From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon Apr  4 15:47:58 2011
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2011 13:47:58 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] New Keyboard
Message-ID: <7322D559B4FD46F79935454267878582@HAL9005>

Dear Lists:
 
My keyboard crapped out so I just got a new MS wireless (Wireless Keyboard
1000) which has a lot of nice features.  But one of the features that's not
so nice is that the F5 key is assigned to open a folder and the F8 key to
forward an email.  I use those keys a lot in debugging code - Continue and
single line step.
 
Does anyone know how to set them to do that?
 
MTIA
 
Rocky
 

From garykjos at gmail.com  Mon Apr  4 16:01:34 2011
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2011 16:01:34 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] New Keyboard
In-Reply-To: <1188568F72C340918EE361688D046E6A@HAL9005>
References: <7322D559B4FD46F79935454267878582@HAL9005>
	<1188568F72C340918EE361688D046E6A@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <BANLkTinAjoEQuhnhiB7jGtw0jcwZA0OgNg@mail.gmail.com>

Ah the magic of the lists.....

GK

On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 3:53 PM, Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:
> Never mind - found it. ?F-Lock key.
>
> R
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-ot-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-ot-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
> Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 1:48 PM
> To: List; 'Off Topic'
> Subject: [dba-OT] New Keyboard
>
> Dear Lists:
>
> My keyboard crapped out so I just got a new MS wireless (Wireless Keyboard
> 1000) which has a lot of nice features. ?But one of the features that's not
> so nice is that the F5 key is assigned to open a folder and the F8 key to
> forward an email. ?I use those keys a lot in debugging code - Continue and
> single line step.
>
> Does anyone know how to set them to do that?
>
> MTIA
>
> Rocky
>
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon Apr  4 16:05:26 2011
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2011 14:05:26 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] New Keyboard
In-Reply-To: <7322D559B4FD46F79935454267878582@HAL9005>
References: <7322D559B4FD46F79935454267878582@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <B50DA8A3D14B4D969D8E37EA94A7C9DA@HAL9005>

Never mind.  Found it.  F-Lock key.

Rocky
 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 1:48 PM
To: List; 'Off Topic'
Subject: [dba-Tech] New Keyboard

Dear Lists:
 
My keyboard crapped out so I just got a new MS wireless (Wireless Keyboard
1000) which has a lot of nice features.  But one of the features that's not
so nice is that the F5 key is assigned to open a folder and the F8 key to
forward an email.  I use those keys a lot in debugging code - Continue and
single line step.
 
Does anyone know how to set them to do that?
 
MTIA
 
Rocky
 
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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Apr  5 05:35:25 2011
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2011 12:35:25 +0200
Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 8, Metro and modern UI
Message-ID: <sd9b0c96.072@cactus.dk>

Hi all

The ideas and early screenshots seem more promising than I first thought:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zqGXWnYe_U

http://www.winrumors.com/windows-8-metro-ui-welcome-screen-and-ribbon-screenshots-leak/
http://www.winrumors.com/windows-8s-real-metro-ui-is-immersive-tablet-experience/
http://www.winrumors.com/windows-8-immersive-tablet-tile-ui-and-pdf-reader-revealed/
http://www.winrumors.com/new-windows-8-screenshots-leak-including-updated-wallpaper/

Based on the ideas of Metro as it is (the UI of Windows Phone 7), the design principles of this is very clever reading:

  Clean, Light, Open and Fast
  Alive in Motion
  Celebrate Typography
  Content, Not Chrome
  Authentically Digital

http://windowsteamblog.com/windows_phone/b/wpdev/archive/2011/02/16/from-transportation-to-pixels.aspx 

which also might indicate which direction future UIs will follow. It should be a good inspiration for design of UI for your own apps as well!

/gustav



From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Apr  5 12:47:38 2011
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2011 10:47:38 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 8, Metro and modern UI
In-Reply-To: <sd9b0c96.072@cactus.dk>
References: <sd9b0c96.072@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <0B83A3EE0FDC4839B506AFFA025B107D@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Hi Gustav:

The new designs looks (more like sounds) really interesting. I like that
they are going more towards a flat and clean design with an emphasis on
transitions. The only issues, especially if you are working with web based
applications is the font options. 

There is only so much you can do with half dozen standard internal fonts you
will find on every computer/browser as even the most fancy CSS has it
limitations...and just downloading font images is not the answer if you
application is going international.

I have been working with this coding to allow a wider range of fonts to be
deployed but there has to be a judicious trade off in performance and there
is a limited set of size options. 

http://www.960development.com/how-to-write-cross-browser-font-face-syntax/

Jim



-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 3:35 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com; dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 8, Metro and modern UI

Hi all

The ideas and early screenshots seem more promising than I first thought:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zqGXWnYe_U

http://www.winrumors.com/windows-8-metro-ui-welcome-screen-and-ribbon-screen
shots-leak/
http://www.winrumors.com/windows-8s-real-metro-ui-is-immersive-tablet-experi
ence/
http://www.winrumors.com/windows-8-immersive-tablet-tile-ui-and-pdf-reader-r
evealed/
http://www.winrumors.com/new-windows-8-screenshots-leak-including-updated-wa
llpaper/

Based on the ideas of Metro as it is (the UI of Windows Phone 7), the design
principles of this is very clever reading:

  Clean, Light, Open and Fast
  Alive in Motion
  Celebrate Typography
  Content, Not Chrome
  Authentically Digital

http://windowsteamblog.com/windows_phone/b/wpdev/archive/2011/02/16/from-tra
nsportation-to-pixels.aspx 

which also might indicate which direction future UIs will follow. It should
be a good inspiration for design of UI for your own apps as well!

/gustav


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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Wed Apr  6 13:50:30 2011
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2011 14:50:30 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 7 Administrator
Message-ID: <BANLkTikztB519RQmSOBEDNyvseNabML-8Q@mail.gmail.com>

I'm trying to install a piece of software that demands that I have
administrative rights. I am the only user on the computer. The list of users
includes only "Arthur". Is the Administrator button hidden, and if so how
can I reveal it, and if not, how do I get to my user permissions page so I
can grant myself admin rights?

TIA,
Arthur

From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Wed Apr  6 13:58:17 2011
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2011 14:58:17 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] A really cool site
Message-ID: <BANLkTim8W8bDJUY7MXZyuRt0Hqd0k9g8QQ@mail.gmail.com>

I was turned on to a really cool site this morning. Unlike Google or
Wikipedia or Yahoo Answers, which you always approach with a question, Clue
DB just displays random solutions. The former approach often leads to
disappointment and frustration, while the latter approach teaches you
something new on virtually every visit, so you walk away with an improved
life.

In Ontario, it is required that you compost your vegetable matter etc., and
the government gives you a little bucket to store it in while it's in your
kitchen. Problem is, it starts to smell before it's full. Today's tip (for
me) was a neat solution to this minor problem: store the bucket in your
freezer until it's full, then take its bag to your outdoor composter. I
never thought of that!

Hardly a life-changer, but indicative of the cool tricks this site provides.
Drop by and check it out: http://www.cluedb.com/.

Arthur

From df.waters at comcast.net  Wed Apr  6 14:05:03 2011
From: df.waters at comcast.net (Dan Waters)
Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2011 14:05:03 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] A really cool site
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTim8W8bDJUY7MXZyuRt0Hqd0k9g8QQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BANLkTim8W8bDJUY7MXZyuRt0Hqd0k9g8QQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <007901cbf48d$899c2970$9cd47c50$@comcast.net>

OK - it's my home page for now!

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 1:58 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] A really cool site

I was turned on to a really cool site this morning. Unlike Google or
Wikipedia or Yahoo Answers, which you always approach with a question, Clue
DB just displays random solutions. The former approach often leads to
disappointment and frustration, while the latter approach teaches you
something new on virtually every visit, so you walk away with an improved
life.

In Ontario, it is required that you compost your vegetable matter etc., and
the government gives you a little bucket to store it in while it's in your
kitchen. Problem is, it starts to smell before it's full. Today's tip (for
me) was a neat solution to this minor problem: store the bucket in your
freezer until it's full, then take its bag to your outdoor composter. I
never thought of that!

Hardly a life-changer, but indicative of the cool tricks this site provides.
Drop by and check it out: http://www.cluedb.com/.

Arthur
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dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
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From EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us  Wed Apr  6 15:22:56 2011
From: EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us (Tesiny, Ed)
Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2011 16:22:56 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 7 Administrator
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTikztB519RQmSOBEDNyvseNabML-8Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BANLkTikztB519RQmSOBEDNyvseNabML-8Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F7F17F79CF2A60418DC957FA11069BC703792EE3@ALBMX2K3.rt.oasas.state.ny.us>

Arthur,
I believe that would be in the Control Panel-->User Accounts

Ed Tesiny
EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us 
-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur
Fuller
Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 2:51 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 7 Administrator

I'm trying to install a piece of software that demands that I have
administrative rights. I am the only user on the computer. The list of
users
includes only "Arthur". Is the Administrator button hidden, and if so
how
can I reveal it, and if not, how do I get to my user permissions page so
I
can grant myself admin rights?

TIA,
Arthur
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From james at fcidms.com  Wed Apr  6 16:51:12 2011
From: james at fcidms.com (James Barash)
Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2011 14:51:12 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 7 Administrator
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTikztB519RQmSOBEDNyvseNabML-8Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BANLkTikztB519RQmSOBEDNyvseNabML-8Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E5DE8186FC70CE41861FA7BC8D01CD0B120B087E27@VA3DIAXVS431.RED001.local>

Arthur:

If you right-click on the installation program for the software (setup.exe or whatever it is called), you should see an option to "Run as administrator". Assuming your user is an administrator, and it should be if you are the only user, this should run with all the correct permissions. I've run into that a few times and this has always worked for me.

Hope it helps.

James Barash


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 2:51 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 7 Administrator

I'm trying to install a piece of software that demands that I have administrative rights. I am the only user on the computer. The list of users includes only "Arthur". Is the Administrator button hidden, and if so how can I reveal it, and if not, how do I get to my user permissions page so I can grant myself admin rights?

TIA,
Arthur
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Apr  6 20:46:50 2011
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2011 18:46:50 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] A really cool site
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTim8W8bDJUY7MXZyuRt0Hqd0k9g8QQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BANLkTim8W8bDJUY7MXZyuRt0Hqd0k9g8QQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F59DA07ECDCB4403BBC247CB90739EE2@creativesystemdesigns.com>

That is a very interesting site. It will be added to the Bookmarks.

Jim



-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 11:58 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] A really cool site

I was turned on to a really cool site this morning. Unlike Google or
Wikipedia or Yahoo Answers, which you always approach with a question, Clue
DB just displays random solutions. The former approach often leads to
disappointment and frustration, while the latter approach teaches you
something new on virtually every visit, so you walk away with an improved
life.

In Ontario, it is required that you compost your vegetable matter etc., and
the government gives you a little bucket to store it in while it's in your
kitchen. Problem is, it starts to smell before it's full. Today's tip (for
me) was a neat solution to this minor problem: store the bucket in your
freezer until it's full, then take its bag to your outdoor composter. I
never thought of that!

Hardly a life-changer, but indicative of the cool tricks this site provides.
Drop by and check it out: http://www.cluedb.com/.

Arthur
_______________________________________________
dba-Tech mailing list
dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com


From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Apr  7 12:02:01 2011
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2011 10:02:01 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Android Is Destroying Everyone
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTim8W8bDJUY7MXZyuRt0Hqd0k9g8QQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BANLkTim8W8bDJUY7MXZyuRt0Hqd0k9g8QQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <325BE69FC2564347BB7F608DD8B9FEDA@creativesystemdesigns.com>


I would not say iPhone is dead in the water, just that they are loosing
ground to Android. Mind you everyone is lossing ground to Android:

http://www.businessinsider.com/android-iphone-market-share-2011-4

" The Android gains matter because technology platform markets tend to
standardize around a single dominant platform (see Windows in PCs, Facebook
in social, Google in search). And the more dominant the platform becomes,
the more valuable it becomes and the harder it becomes to dislodge. The
network effect kicks in, and developers building products designed to work
with the platform devote more and more of their energy to the platform. The
reward for building and working with other platforms, meanwhile, drops, and
gradually developers stop developing for them.

Importantly, it's not a question of which platform is "better." (This is
irrelevant.) It's a question of which platform everyone else uses.  And
increasingly, in the smartphone market, barring a radical change in trend,
that's Android.

So that's why Android's gains matter. And, yes, Apple fans should be scared
to death about them. "

Google may have created a near perfect business model and that model has the
potential of consuming not only the Cell phone market but with the eventual
release of the ChromeOS desktop.

" .Google has organized this defensive play with precision. Carriers and
handset makers that use Android are given economics to do so. The Android
version of the "AppStore" shares the majority of its economics with the
carrier and handset makers. Once again, they are not building a business,
they are building a moat (sorry for the repetitiveness, it's intentional).
Because they are "giving away" money to use their product, this creates a
rather substantial conundrum for someone trying to extract economic rent for
a competitive product in the same market.

This is the part that amazes me the most. I don't know if a large organized
industry has ever faced this fierce a form of competition - someone who is
not trying to "win" in the classic sense. They want market share, but they
don't need economics. Imagine if Ford were faced with GM paying people to
take Chevrolets? How many would they be able to sell? What if you received
$0.10 for every free Pepsi you consumed? Would you still pay $1.50 for a
Coke?... "
 
http://abovethecrowd.com/2011/03/24/freight-train-that-is-android/

Microsoft may have been described as the Borg but Google more closely fits
that description given their business model and implementation. Other
business may not even be able to compete as who can beat Free?

Jim


From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Thu Apr  7 12:06:59 2011
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2011 13:06:59 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 7 Administrator
In-Reply-To: <E5DE8186FC70CE41861FA7BC8D01CD0B120B087E27@VA3DIAXVS431.RED001.local>
References: <BANLkTikztB519RQmSOBEDNyvseNabML-8Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<E5DE8186FC70CE41861FA7BC8D01CD0B120B087E27@VA3DIAXVS431.RED001.local>
Message-ID: <BANLkTimu-vvREAaCv2YqSVnU9cYWsu0nuA@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks. I'll experiment and report back.

On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 5:51 PM, James Barash <james at fcidms.com> wrote:

> Arthur:
>
> If you right-click on the installation program for the software (setup.exe
> or whatever it is called), you should see an option to "Run as
> administrator". Assuming your user is an administrator, and it should be if
> you are the only user, this should run with all the correct permissions.
> I've run into that a few times and this has always worked for me.
>
> Hope it helps.
>
> James Barash
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:
> dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
> Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 2:51 PM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 7 Administrator
>
>  I'm trying to install a piece of software that demands that I have
> administrative rights. I am the only user on the computer. The list of users
> includes only "Arthur". Is the Administrator button hidden, and if so how
> can I reveal it, and if not, how do I get to my user permissions page so I
> can grant myself admin rights?
>
> TIA,
> Arthur
>  _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>
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From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Thu Apr  7 12:16:39 2011
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2011 18:16:39 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Android Is Destroying Everyone
Message-ID: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB08295470AB96642@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk>

I use win phone 7. Really impressed

Martin

Sent from my Windows Phone

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Lawrence
Sent: 07 April 2011 18:02
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'; 'Off Topic'
Subject: [dba-Tech] Android Is Destroying Everyone


I would not say iPhone is dead in the water, just that they are loosing
ground to Android. Mind you everyone is lossing ground to Android:

http://www.businessinsider.com/android-iphone-market-share-2011-4

" The Android gains matter because technology platform markets tend to
standardize around a single dominant platform (see Windows in PCs, Facebook
in social, Google in search). And the more dominant the platform becomes,
the more valuable it becomes and the harder it becomes to dislodge. The
network effect kicks in, and developers building products designed to work
with the platform devote more and more of their energy to the platform. The
reward for building and working with other platforms, meanwhile, drops, and
gradually developers stop developing for them.

Importantly, it's not a question of which platform is "better." (This is
irrelevant.) It's a question of which platform everyone else uses.  And
increasingly, in the smartphone market, barring a radical change in trend,
that's Android.

So that's why Android's gains matter. And, yes, Apple fans should be scared
to death about them. "

Google may have created a near perfect business model and that model has the
potential of consuming not only the Cell phone market but with the eventual
release of the ChromeOS desktop.

" .Google has organized this defensive play with precision. Carriers and
handset makers that use Android are given economics to do so. The Android
version of the "AppStore" shares the majority of its economics with the
carrier and handset makers. Once again, they are not building a business,
they are building a moat (sorry for the repetitiveness, it's intentional).
Because they are "giving away" money to use their product, this creates a
rather substantial conundrum for someone trying to extract economic rent for
a competitive product in the same market.

This is the part that amazes me the most. I don't know if a large organized
industry has ever faced this fierce a form of competition - someone who is
not trying to "win" in the classic sense. They want market share, but they
don't need economics. Imagine if Ford were faced with GM paying people to
take Chevrolets? How many would they be able to sell? What if you received
$0.10 for every free Pepsi you consumed? Would you still pay $1.50 for a
Coke?... "

http://abovethecrowd.com/2011/03/24/freight-train-that-is-android/

Microsoft may have been described as the Borg but Google more closely fits
that description given their business model and implementation. Other
business may not even be able to compete as who can beat Free?

Jim

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Apr  7 15:59:09 2011
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2011 13:59:09 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Android Is Destroying Everyone
In-Reply-To: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB08295470AB96642@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk>
References: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB08295470AB96642@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <DE1A0B15554F4A74BCB74A4E13535F75@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Hi Martin:

It may be a good product but simple business sense say go with the money.

Jim



-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Martin Reid
Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2011 10:17 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Android Is Destroying Everyone

I use win phone 7. Really impressed

Martin

Sent from my Windows Phone

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Lawrence
Sent: 07 April 2011 18:02
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'; 'Off Topic'
Subject: [dba-Tech] Android Is Destroying Everyone


I would not say iPhone is dead in the water, just that they are loosing
ground to Android. Mind you everyone is lossing ground to Android:

http://www.businessinsider.com/android-iphone-market-share-2011-4

" The Android gains matter because technology platform markets tend to
standardize around a single dominant platform (see Windows in PCs, Facebook
in social, Google in search). And the more dominant the platform becomes,
the more valuable it becomes and the harder it becomes to dislodge. The
network effect kicks in, and developers building products designed to work
with the platform devote more and more of their energy to the platform. The
reward for building and working with other platforms, meanwhile, drops, and
gradually developers stop developing for them.

Importantly, it's not a question of which platform is "better." (This is
irrelevant.) It's a question of which platform everyone else uses.  And
increasingly, in the smartphone market, barring a radical change in trend,
that's Android.

So that's why Android's gains matter. And, yes, Apple fans should be scared
to death about them. "

Google may have created a near perfect business model and that model has the
potential of consuming not only the Cell phone market but with the eventual
release of the ChromeOS desktop.

" .Google has organized this defensive play with precision. Carriers and
handset makers that use Android are given economics to do so. The Android
version of the "AppStore" shares the majority of its economics with the
carrier and handset makers. Once again, they are not building a business,
they are building a moat (sorry for the repetitiveness, it's intentional).
Because they are "giving away" money to use their product, this creates a
rather substantial conundrum for someone trying to extract economic rent for
a competitive product in the same market.

This is the part that amazes me the most. I don't know if a large organized
industry has ever faced this fierce a form of competition - someone who is
not trying to "win" in the classic sense. They want market share, but they
don't need economics. Imagine if Ford were faced with GM paying people to
take Chevrolets? How many would they be able to sell? What if you received
$0.10 for every free Pepsi you consumed? Would you still pay $1.50 for a
Coke?... "

http://abovethecrowd.com/2011/03/24/freight-train-that-is-android/

Microsoft may have been described as the Borg but Google more closely fits
that description given their business model and implementation. Other
business may not even be able to compete as who can beat Free?

Jim

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From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Thu Apr  7 16:11:35 2011
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2011 22:11:35 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Android Is Destroying Everyone
In-Reply-To: <DE1A0B15554F4A74BCB74A4E13535F75@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB08295470AB96642@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk>,
	<DE1A0B15554F4A74BCB74A4E13535F75@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB08295470AB9664A@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk>

Hi Jim

Never bothers me really. Long as it does what I need its fine. I don't use all these apps etc. It has Office installed, works with SharePoint and Exchange and that's all I need really, Think I have sold my soul to Bill (<: In saying all that its paid for by work which sort of limits choice!

Martin


Martin WP Reid
Information Services
The McClay Library
Queen's University of Belfast
10 College Park
Belfast BT7 1LP
Tel : 02890976174
Email : mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk
Sharepoint Training Portal

From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Apr  7 17:40:50 2011
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2011 15:40:50 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Android Is Destroying Everyone
In-Reply-To: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB08295470AB9664A@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk>
References: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB08295470AB96642@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk>
	<DE1A0B15554F4A74BCB74A4E13535F75@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB08295470AB9664A@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <AEACB399BC5F41F89135F4F8FF6532F4@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Hi Martin:

You have a free source and a limit on your requirements so in your situation
I would do the same thing.

Jim



-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2011 2:12 PM
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Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Android Is Destroying Everyone

Hi Jim

Never bothers me really. Long as it does what I need its fine. I don't use
all these apps etc. It has Office installed, works with SharePoint and
Exchange and that's all I need really, Think I have sold my soul to Bill (<:
In saying all that its paid for by work which sort of limits choice!

Martin


Martin WP Reid
Information Services
The McClay Library
Queen's University of Belfast
10 College Park
Belfast BT7 1LP
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Email : mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk
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From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Fri Apr  8 06:56:04 2011
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2011 07:56:04 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] A really cool site
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTim8W8bDJUY7MXZyuRt0Hqd0k9g8QQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BANLkTim8W8bDJUY7MXZyuRt0Hqd0k9g8QQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4D9EF7D4.6050609@torchlake.com>

Very nice!
T

Arthur Fuller wrote:
> I was turned on to a really cool site this morning. Unlike Google or
> Wikipedia or Yahoo Answers, which you always approach with a question, Clue
> DB just displays random solutions. The former approach often leads to
> disappointment and frustration, while the latter approach teaches you
> something new on virtually every visit, so you walk away with an improved
> life.
>
> In Ontario, it is required that you compost your vegetable matter etc., and
> the government gives you a little bucket to store it in while it's in your
> kitchen. Problem is, it starts to smell before it's full. Today's tip (for
> me) was a neat solution to this minor problem: store the bucket in your
> freezer until it's full, then take its bag to your outdoor composter. I
> never thought of that!
>
> Hardly a life-changer, but indicative of the cool tricks this site provides.
> Drop by and check it out: http://www.cluedb.com/.
>
> Arthur
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From listmaster at databaseadvisors.com  Sat Apr  9 20:50:16 2011
From: listmaster at databaseadvisors.com (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2011 21:50:16 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Administrivia - DBA Server Downtime
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References: <BANLkTim6-QJN-JJhaJU5G3kmWP6ASzh1jg@mail.gmail.com>
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Good Saturday Evening folks,

Today, Saturday April 9, 2011, the server that hosts Database Advisors
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If you sent an email to any of the lists during this time, and haven't
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From john at winhaven.net  Mon Apr 11 14:36:02 2011
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 14:36:02 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Command line: move
Message-ID: <00de01cbf87f$b1739c30$145ad490$@winhaven.net>

Hi all,
I recall that some of you use the windows command line quite a bit yet.

Can someone tell me what the command line would be to move all folders and
files contained in a specific folder to another drive? 

It's Something I want to do it a batch files and schedule for archiving
purposes.

TIA John B.


From phil.rosenkranz at co.yakima.wa.us  Mon Apr 11 14:43:42 2011
From: phil.rosenkranz at co.yakima.wa.us (Phil Rosenkranz)
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 12:43:42 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Command line: move
In-Reply-To: <00de01cbf87f$b1739c30$145ad490$@winhaven.net>
References: <00de01cbf87f$b1739c30$145ad490$@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <DDFDEC66080CE043BEF7242750D424690724EB6770@ntx7>

Say you have a file at X:\ named FILE.TXT. To move it to the E:\ drive, SAVED folder, type the entire path from the target file X:\FILE.TXT and the entire path to the destination E:\SAVED. The command would look like MOVE X:\FILE.TXT E:\SAVED\

Phil

>From the HELP files...

C:\>help move
Moves files and renames files and directories.

To move one or more files:
MOVE [/Y | /-Y] [drive:][path]filename1[,...] destination

To rename a directory:
MOVE [/Y | /-Y] [drive:][path]dirname1 dirname2

  [drive:][path]filename1 Specifies the location and name of the file
                          or files you want to move.
  destination             Specifies the new location of the file. Destination
                          can consist of a drive letter and colon, a
                          directory name, or a combination. If you are moving
                          only one file, you can also include a filename if
                          you want to rename the file when you move it.
  [drive:][path]dirname1  Specifies the directory you want to rename.
  dirname2                Specifies the new name of the directory.

  /Y                      Suppresses prompting to confirm you want to
                          overwrite an existing destination file.
  /-Y                     Causes prompting to confirm you want to overwrite
                          an existing destination file.

The switch /Y may be present in the COPYCMD environment variable.
This may be overridden with /-Y on the command line.  Default is
to prompt on overwrites unless MOVE command is being executed from
within a batch script.



> On Behalf Of John Bartow
> 
> Hi all,
> I recall that some of you use the windows command line quite a bit yet.
> 
> Can someone tell me what the command line would be to move all folders and
> files contained in a specific folder to another drive?
> 
> It's Something I want to do it a batch files and schedule for archiving
> purposes.
> 
> TIA John B.


From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Apr 11 15:09:56 2011
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 13:09:56 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Command line: move
In-Reply-To: <00de01cbf87f$b1739c30$145ad490$@winhaven.net>
References: <00de01cbf87f$b1739c30$145ad490$@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <9D1E0F1E2512419AA2C89870D906C8EC@creativesystemdesigns.com>

I would tend to do the move in two steps:

First copy the contents to the other drive:
Xcopy c:\source e:\source /s /v

...and then remove the source location once the copy has been completed and
validated.

Del c:\source /s

HTH
Jim



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Sent: Monday, April 11, 2011 12:36 PM
To: DBA-Tech
Subject: [dba-Tech] Command line: move

Hi all,
I recall that some of you use the windows command line quite a bit yet.

Can someone tell me what the command line would be to move all folders and
files contained in a specific folder to another drive? 

It's Something I want to do it a batch files and schedule for archiving
purposes.

TIA John B.

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From marklbreen at gmail.com  Tue Apr 12 05:10:19 2011
From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen)
Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2011 11:10:19 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Command line: move
In-Reply-To: <9D1E0F1E2512419AA2C89870D906C8EC@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <00de01cbf87f$b1739c30$145ad490$@winhaven.net>
	<9D1E0F1E2512419AA2C89870D906C8EC@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <BANLkTinO_ZmD8zXkODtZxQKy8v7CTCaJ0w@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Jim,

>>I would tend to do the move in two steps:

So would I,

Actually, I would xcopy it first, then I would xcopy a second version to a
USB stick,

then before I delete the files, I would consider that I what I really need
is version control for my files.

Then I would download and install  Mercurial and install it and get it
working.

Then... I would start to consider that what I really, really should do is
have an off - site version of Mercurial , so that my versions are safe in
case of fire, flood or burglary.

Once I have gone this far, and start to think of all the stuff I want
off-site and backed up (350 GB or so), I realise that what I really is an
Amazon S3 solution for Mercurial.

About that time, my wife will call me for dinner and I will make a brief
note "Move Files"

Thats my world anyway :)

Mark




On 11 April 2011 21:09, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> I would tend to do the move in two steps:
>
> First copy the contents to the other drive:
> Xcopy c:\source e:\source /s /v
>
> ...and then remove the source location once the copy has been completed and
> validated.
>
> Del c:\source /s
>
> HTH
> Jim
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow
> Sent: Monday, April 11, 2011 12:36 PM
> To: DBA-Tech
> Subject: [dba-Tech] Command line: move
>
> Hi all,
> I recall that some of you use the windows command line quite a bit yet.
>
> Can someone tell me what the command line would be to move all folders and
> files contained in a specific folder to another drive?
>
> It's Something I want to do it a batch files and schedule for archiving
> purposes.
>
> TIA John B.
>
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From john at winhaven.net  Wed Apr 13 15:21:03 2011
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 15:21:03 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Command line: move
In-Reply-To: <00de01cbf87f$b1739c30$145ad490$@winhaven.net>
References: <00de01cbf87f$b1739c30$145ad490$@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <015c01cbfa18$4ffe8330$effb8990$@winhaven.net>

Thanks all. If I might bug you one more time - how would I only move the
files that are older than the present day?


From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Wed Apr 13 15:42:47 2011
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 06:42:47 +1000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Command line: move
In-Reply-To: <015c01cbfa18$4ffe8330$effb8990$@winhaven.net>
References: <00de01cbf87f$b1739c30$145ad490$@winhaven.net>,
	<015c01cbfa18$4ffe8330$effb8990$@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <4DA60AC7.24627.28BE90EF@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

If you are running Vista, Win7  or Win Server 2008, you could use Robocopy:

Robocopy  "C:\My Files" "E:\My Files_Backup" /MOVE /D /MINAGE:1

Enter "Robocopy /?" at a command prompt for a full list of options.

-- 
Stuart


On 13 Apr 2011 at 15:21, John Bartow wrote:

> Thanks all. If I might bug you one more time - how would I only move
> the files that are older than the present day?
> 
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From john at winhaven.net  Wed Apr 13 16:22:23 2011
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 16:22:23 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Command line: move
In-Reply-To: <4DA60AC7.24627.28BE90EF@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <00de01cbf87f$b1739c30$145ad490$@winhaven.net>,
	<015c01cbfa18$4ffe8330$effb8990$@winhaven.net>
	<4DA60AC7.24627.28BE90EF@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <016901cbfa20$e1804b10$a480e130$@winhaven.net>

Thanks Stuart!
I hadn't heard about that command before. This is actually for WinXP but
everything I'm doing will eventually end up on Win7 also.

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2011 3:43 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Command line: move

If you are running Vista, Win7  or Win Server 2008, you could use Robocopy:

Robocopy  "C:\My Files" "E:\My Files_Backup" /MOVE /D /MINAGE:1

Enter "Robocopy /?" at a command prompt for a full list of options.

-- 
Stuart


On 13 Apr 2011 at 15:21, John Bartow wrote:

> Thanks all. If I might bug you one more time - how would I only move
> the files that are older than the present day?
> 
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Wed Apr 13 16:38:37 2011
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 07:38:37 +1000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Command line: move
In-Reply-To: <016901cbfa20$e1804b10$a480e130$@winhaven.net>
References: <00de01cbf87f$b1739c30$145ad490$@winhaven.net>,
	<4DA60AC7.24627.28BE90EF@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>,
	<016901cbfa20$e1804b10$a480e130$@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <4DA617DD.30012.28F1AF48@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

For XP, you'll have to get Robocopy from the Windows Resource Kit.

You can download it from Microsoft  (11MB) at: 
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/en/details.aspx?familyid=9d467a69-57ff-4ae7-96ee-b18
c4790cffd&displaylang=en

Short URL: http://goo.gl/C3Lze

-- 
Stuart

On 13 Apr 2011 at 16:22, John Bartow wrote:

> Thanks Stuart!
> I hadn't heard about that command before. This is actually for WinXP
> but everything I'm doing will eventually end up on Win7 also.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart
> McLachlan Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2011 3:43 PM To: Discussion of
> Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Command line:
> move
> 
> If you are running Vista, Win7  or Win Server 2008, you could use
> Robocopy:
> 
> Robocopy  "C:\My Files" "E:\My Files_Backup" /MOVE /D /MINAGE:1
> 
> Enter "Robocopy /?" at a command prompt for a full list of options.
> 
> -- 
> Stuart
> 
> 
> On 13 Apr 2011 at 15:21, John Bartow wrote:
> 
> > Thanks all. If I might bug you one more time - how would I only move
> > the files that are older than the present day?
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
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> 
> 
> 
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Apr 13 17:12:33 2011
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 15:12:33 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Command line: move
In-Reply-To: <015c01cbfa18$4ffe8330$effb8990$@winhaven.net>
References: <00de01cbf87f$b1739c30$145ad490$@winhaven.net>
	<015c01cbfa18$4ffe8330$effb8990$@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <8079B795EF5449F6A3BA48EA6C45F98E@creativesystemdesigns.com>

You can also use the the following xcopy switch:

/D:mm-dd-yyyy
                Copy files that have changed since mm-dd-yyyy.
                (files changed on or after the specified date)
                If no date is given, the default is 1 day ago
                (files changed on or after 00:01 yesterday.)

Jim


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Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2011 1:21 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Command line: move

Thanks all. If I might bug you one more time - how would I only move the
files that are older than the present day?

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Apr 13 17:17:06 2011
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 15:17:06 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Command line: move
In-Reply-To: <4DA617DD.30012.28F1AF48@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <00de01cbf87f$b1739c30$145ad490$@winhaven.net>
	<4DA60AC7.24627.28BE90EF@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<016901cbfa20$e1804b10$a480e130$@winhaven.net>
	<4DA617DD.30012.28F1AF48@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <D84E2D6838204B2F9285B6AB0F73E0F0@creativesystemdesigns.com>

And for a quick list of switches: http://ss64.com/nt/robocopy.html

Jim



-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2011 2:39 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Command line: move

For XP, you'll have to get Robocopy from the Windows Resource Kit.

You can download it from Microsoft  (11MB) at: 
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/en/details.aspx?familyid=9d467a69-57ff-4a
e7-96ee-b18
c4790cffd&displaylang=en

Short URL: http://goo.gl/C3Lze

-- 
Stuart

On 13 Apr 2011 at 16:22, John Bartow wrote:

> Thanks Stuart!
> I hadn't heard about that command before. This is actually for WinXP
> but everything I'm doing will eventually end up on Win7 also.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart
> McLachlan Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2011 3:43 PM To: Discussion of
> Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Command line:
> move
> 
> If you are running Vista, Win7  or Win Server 2008, you could use
> Robocopy:
> 
> Robocopy  "C:\My Files" "E:\My Files_Backup" /MOVE /D /MINAGE:1
> 
> Enter "Robocopy /?" at a command prompt for a full list of options.
> 
> -- 
> Stuart
> 
> 
> On 13 Apr 2011 at 15:21, John Bartow wrote:
> 
> > Thanks all. If I might bug you one more time - how would I only move
> > the files that are older than the present day?
> > 
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> > 
> 
> 
> 
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Wed Apr 13 17:16:38 2011
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 08:16:38 +1000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Command line: move
In-Reply-To: <8079B795EF5449F6A3BA48EA6C45F98E@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <00de01cbf87f$b1739c30$145ad490$@winhaven.net>,
	<015c01cbfa18$4ffe8330$effb8990$@winhaven.net>,
	<8079B795EF5449F6A3BA48EA6C45F98E@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <4DA620C6.14339.29147FF0@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

He wanted files than have NOT changed since a certain date.
/D only copies newer files, not older files.

-- 
Stuart


On 13 Apr 2011 at 15:12, Jim Lawrence wrote:

> You can also use the the following xcopy switch:
> 
> /D:mm-dd-yyyy
>                 Copy files that have changed since mm-dd-yyyy.
>                 (files changed on or after the specified date)
>                 If no date is given, the default is 1 day ago
>                 (files changed on or after 00:01 yesterday.)
> 
> Jim
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John
> Bartow Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2011 1:21 PM To: 'Discussion of
> Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Command line:
> move
> 
> Thanks all. If I might bug you one more time - how would I only move
> the files that are older than the present day?
> 
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Apr 13 17:22:33 2011
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 15:22:33 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Command line: move
In-Reply-To: <4DA620C6.14339.29147FF0@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <00de01cbf87f$b1739c30$145ad490$@winhaven.net>
	<015c01cbfa18$4ffe8330$effb8990$@winhaven.net>
	<8079B795EF5449F6A3BA48EA6C45F98E@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<4DA620C6.14339.29147FF0@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <6F47AC6F2D174BAB9770AF47D8289188@creativesystemdesigns.com>

No - minus alternative (/-D)? Have not tested this of course. ;-)

Jim



-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2011 3:17 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Command line: move

He wanted files than have NOT changed since a certain date.
/D only copies newer files, not older files.

-- 
Stuart


On 13 Apr 2011 at 15:12, Jim Lawrence wrote:

> You can also use the the following xcopy switch:
> 
> /D:mm-dd-yyyy
>                 Copy files that have changed since mm-dd-yyyy.
>                 (files changed on or after the specified date)
>                 If no date is given, the default is 1 day ago
>                 (files changed on or after 00:01 yesterday.)
> 
> Jim
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John
> Bartow Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2011 1:21 PM To: 'Discussion of
> Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Command line:
> move
> 
> Thanks all. If I might bug you one more time - how would I only move
> the files that are older than the present day?
> 
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Apr 14 01:26:36 2011
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 23:26:36 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Is there a move from Microsoft?
In-Reply-To: <4DA617DD.30012.28F1AF48@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <00de01cbf87f$b1739c30$145ad490$@winhaven.net>
	<4DA60AC7.24627.28BE90EF@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<016901cbfa20$e1804b10$a480e130$@winhaven.net>
	<4DA617DD.30012.28F1AF48@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <CB9241FAA1B745128487CC3DFDF2A2E8@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Someone sent me a link today matching his experiences and obviously the
experience of the person posting the following link. Is the Apple OS the new
Windows for the young computer literate?

http://tinyurl.com/63rpglg

Is MS Windows dead or at least dying?

I posted an email, maybe a few years or so ago stating that Microsoft
Windows had serious problems because the OS was just a re-build version of a
single PC software package. Approximately, 4 years ago the Mac OS was in the
same position with their platform having roots of a single user, single
tasking and a non networkable product.

When an OS has that type of heritage there is no way to fix it. Microsoft is
now realizing it but they are too proud to admit it and they are paying
substantial for that pride.

So I say to Microsoft, just bail on your OS, pick some version of Unix/Linux
and write a nice presentation interface. FreeBSD is a good choice, as it
license, does not require changes to it, to be shared or be brave and choose
Debian or Redhat Linux, another excellent choice. It could look just like
Windows 7 or 8 with a special different. It would be ultra stable,
absolutely secure, fully multi-tasking, multi-user and it would interface
with every other major OS the planet.

Jim


From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Thu Apr 14 08:09:55 2011
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 06:09:55 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Is there a move from Microsoft?
In-Reply-To: <CB9241FAA1B745128487CC3DFDF2A2E8@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <00de01cbf87f$b1739c30$145ad490$@winhaven.net><4DA60AC7.24627.28BE90EF@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg><016901cbfa20$e1804b10$a480e130$@winhaven.net><4DA617DD.30012.28F1AF48@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<CB9241FAA1B745128487CC3DFDF2A2E8@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <6A8673FABD644CB4AD65C48DA97D653B@HAL9005>

But would it run Access?

R
 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2011 11:27 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: [dba-Tech] Is there a move from Microsoft?

Someone sent me a link today matching his experiences and obviously the
experience of the person posting the following link. Is the Apple OS the new
Windows for the young computer literate?

http://tinyurl.com/63rpglg

Is MS Windows dead or at least dying?

I posted an email, maybe a few years or so ago stating that Microsoft
Windows had serious problems because the OS was just a re-build version of a
single PC software package. Approximately, 4 years ago the Mac OS was in the
same position with their platform having roots of a single user, single
tasking and a non networkable product.

When an OS has that type of heritage there is no way to fix it. Microsoft is
now realizing it but they are too proud to admit it and they are paying
substantial for that pride.

So I say to Microsoft, just bail on your OS, pick some version of Unix/Linux
and write a nice presentation interface. FreeBSD is a good choice, as it
license, does not require changes to it, to be shared or be brave and choose
Debian or Redhat Linux, another excellent choice. It could look just like
Windows 7 or 8 with a special different. It would be ultra stable,
absolutely secure, fully multi-tasking, multi-user and it would interface
with every other major OS the planet.

Jim

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Apr 14 12:21:51 2011
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 10:21:51 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Is there a move from Microsoft?
In-Reply-To: <6A8673FABD644CB4AD65C48DA97D653B@HAL9005>
References: <00de01cbf87f$b1739c30$145ad490$@winhaven.net>
	<4DA60AC7.24627.28BE90EF@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<016901cbfa20$e1804b10$a480e130$@winhaven.net>
	<4DA617DD.30012.28F1AF48@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<CB9241FAA1B745128487CC3DFDF2A2E8@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<6A8673FABD644CB4AD65C48DA97D653B@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <DB5D1639F381449EB14667A8495073B3@creativesystemdesigns.com>

My Ubuntu computer can do so there is no reason why not. There are many ways
to accomplish this.

First a Mac can run Windows 7 (http://www.apple.com/macosx/compatibility/);
it is just too bad that with SP1 not even Windows can run Access. ;-) There
is also a program called Parallel that will switch from Mac to Windows and
back again.

The free open-source program Wine
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q564OEmseXE) can run Windows programs on
Ubuntu Linux. The app use to be fairly unstable but I have been told it is a
lot better now. There is also a host of emulators out there. A few years ago
I installed Wine on our Ubuntu box and ran Access 2000 just fine but I did
not do extensive testing.

The old favourite is VMware as the price is right and it supports all OSs on
it and being in virtual mode it tends to not be so prone to security issues.
I have a client who is running her applications (Not Access) in a virtual
drive on her laptop computer. When her host computer became infected the VD
was the only application running just fine. 

Jim


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2011 6:10 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Is there a move from Microsoft?

But would it run Access?

R
 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2011 11:27 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: [dba-Tech] Is there a move from Microsoft?

Someone sent me a link today matching his experiences and obviously the
experience of the person posting the following link. Is the Apple OS the new
Windows for the young computer literate?

http://tinyurl.com/63rpglg

Is MS Windows dead or at least dying?

I posted an email, maybe a few years or so ago stating that Microsoft
Windows had serious problems because the OS was just a re-build version of a
single PC software package. Approximately, 4 years ago the Mac OS was in the
same position with their platform having roots of a single user, single
tasking and a non networkable product.

When an OS has that type of heritage there is no way to fix it. Microsoft is
now realizing it but they are too proud to admit it and they are paying
substantial for that pride.

So I say to Microsoft, just bail on your OS, pick some version of Unix/Linux
and write a nice presentation interface. FreeBSD is a good choice, as it
license, does not require changes to it, to be shared or be brave and choose
Debian or Redhat Linux, another excellent choice. It could look just like
Windows 7 or 8 with a special different. It would be ultra stable,
absolutely secure, fully multi-tasking, multi-user and it would interface
with every other major OS the planet.

Jim

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Apr 14 14:02:18 2011
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 12:02:18 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Is there a move from Microsoft?
In-Reply-To: <6A8673FABD644CB4AD65C48DA97D653B@HAL9005>
References: <00de01cbf87f$b1739c30$145ad490$@winhaven.net>
	<4DA60AC7.24627.28BE90EF@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<016901cbfa20$e1804b10$a480e130$@winhaven.net>
	<4DA617DD.30012.28F1AF48@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<CB9241FAA1B745128487CC3DFDF2A2E8@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<6A8673FABD644CB4AD65C48DA97D653B@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <039360FF595D4D88993A34D93179D759@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Here is something your son may be interesting in. ;-)

http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/microsoft_kinect_sdk_future_of_windows.
php

Jim



-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2011 6:10 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Is there a move from Microsoft?

But would it run Access?

R
 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2011 11:27 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: [dba-Tech] Is there a move from Microsoft?

Someone sent me a link today matching his experiences and obviously the
experience of the person posting the following link. Is the Apple OS the new
Windows for the young computer literate?

http://tinyurl.com/63rpglg

Is MS Windows dead or at least dying?

I posted an email, maybe a few years or so ago stating that Microsoft
Windows had serious problems because the OS was just a re-build version of a
single PC software package. Approximately, 4 years ago the Mac OS was in the
same position with their platform having roots of a single user, single
tasking and a non networkable product.

When an OS has that type of heritage there is no way to fix it. Microsoft is
now realizing it but they are too proud to admit it and they are paying
substantial for that pride.

So I say to Microsoft, just bail on your OS, pick some version of Unix/Linux
and write a nice presentation interface. FreeBSD is a good choice, as it
license, does not require changes to it, to be shared or be brave and choose
Debian or Redhat Linux, another excellent choice. It could look just like
Windows 7 or 8 with a special different. It would be ultra stable,
absolutely secure, fully multi-tasking, multi-user and it would interface
with every other major OS the planet.

Jim

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From john at winhaven.net  Thu Apr 14 15:21:16 2011
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 15:21:16 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Command line: move
In-Reply-To: <4DA60AC7.24627.28BE90EF@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <00de01cbf87f$b1739c30$145ad490$@winhaven.net>,
	<015c01cbfa18$4ffe8330$effb8990$@winhaven.net>
	<4DA60AC7.24627.28BE90EF@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <002c01cbfae1$8252ef50$86f8cdf0$@winhaven.net>

Hi Stuart,
I'm testing this out and have found that I need to modify it a bit from your
suggestion in order to have move all subdirectories I had to add  /E switch.
And the /D switch came up invalid. So I'm just guessing it was a typo and
you meant to type /E ;o)

Robocopy "D:\Toolbox" "U:\Toolbox" /MOVE /E /MINAGE:1

Thanks again!

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2011 3:43 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Command line: move

If you are running Vista, Win7  or Win Server 2008, you could use Robocopy:

Robocopy  "C:\My Files" "E:\My Files_Backup" /MOVE /D /MINAGE:1

Enter "Robocopy /?" at a command prompt for a full list of options.

-- 
Stuart


On 13 Apr 2011 at 15:21, John Bartow wrote:

> Thanks all. If I might bug you one more time - how would I only move
> the files that are older than the present day?
> 
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Apr 14 15:52:17 2011
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 13:52:17 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Using HTML5 and a Toutorial
In-Reply-To: <039360FF595D4D88993A34D93179D759@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <00de01cbf87f$b1739c30$145ad490$@winhaven.net>
	<4DA60AC7.24627.28BE90EF@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<016901cbfa20$e1804b10$a480e130$@winhaven.net>
	<4DA617DD.30012.28F1AF48@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<CB9241FAA1B745128487CC3DFDF2A2E8@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<6A8673FABD644CB4AD65C48DA97D653B@HAL9005>
	<039360FF595D4D88993A34D93179D759@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <66F78F1B22CA46D4AA40959F9B8D928D@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Here is a simply tutorial on HTML 5 and how to use the Canvas feature. The
similarities with results from this implementation of HTML 5 and LINQ are
easy to see.

http://www.html5canvastutorials.com/advanced/html5-canvas-advanced-tutorials
-introduction/

Jim


From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Apr 15 12:15:39 2011
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2011 10:15:39 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] A simple SAN solution for testing or those on a tight
	budget
In-Reply-To: <66F78F1B22CA46D4AA40959F9B8D928D@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <00de01cbf87f$b1739c30$145ad490$@winhaven.net>
	<4DA60AC7.24627.28BE90EF@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<016901cbfa20$e1804b10$a480e130$@winhaven.net>
	<4DA617DD.30012.28F1AF48@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<CB9241FAA1B745128487CC3DFDF2A2E8@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<6A8673FABD644CB4AD65C48DA97D653B@HAL9005>
	<039360FF595D4D88993A34D93179D759@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<66F78F1B22CA46D4AA40959F9B8D928D@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <049FB6E50CB84994A7BF3601B9D3D849@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Microsoft now has a free SAN type solution for us who need to test before we
deploy and for small businesses on very limited budgets.

See the following article:

http://blogs.technet.com/b/canitpro/archive/2011/04/05/the-microsoft-iscsi-s
oftware-target-is-now-free.aspx

..and the all important download link with its quick product summary and
installation tips. The only restriction is that you must have a Sever2008 R2
but if you have had access to a Technet subscription or that your company is
part of computer support you already do.

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/en/details.aspx?FamilyID=45105d7f-8c6c-46
66-a305-c8189062a0d0

Jim


From peter.brawley at earthlink.net  Fri Apr 15 18:55:05 2011
From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley)
Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2011 18:55:05 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Using HTML5 and a Toutorial
In-Reply-To: <66F78F1B22CA46D4AA40959F9B8D928D@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <00de01cbf87f$b1739c30$145ad490$@winhaven.net>	<4DA60AC7.24627.28BE90EF@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>	<016901cbfa20$e1804b10$a480e130$@winhaven.net>	<4DA617DD.30012.28F1AF48@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>	<CB9241FAA1B745128487CC3DFDF2A2E8@creativesystemdesigns.com>	<6A8673FABD644CB4AD65C48DA97D653B@HAL9005>	<039360FF595D4D88993A34D93179D759@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<66F78F1B22CA46D4AA40959F9B8D928D@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <4DA8DAD9.3080104@earthlink.net>

Very nice. Works beautifully in FF4, Chrome Safari, not in IE8, what a 
surprise.

PB

On 4/14/2011 3:52 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote:
> Here is a simply tutorial on HTML 5 and how to use the Canvas feature. The
> similarities with results from this implementation of HTML 5 and LINQ are
> easy to see.
>
> http://www.html5canvastutorials.com/advanced/html5-canvas-advanced-tutorials
> -introduction/
>
> Jim
>
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
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>

From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Fri Apr 15 22:23:44 2011
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2011 23:23:44 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] New router network puzzle
Message-ID: <4DA90BC0.5000508@torchlake.com>

Hi All,

I have a broadband internet network consisting of the antenna, POE, 
router0, cabled router1, cabled router2, two computers wireless 
connected to router1, and 3 computers wireless connected to router2.

Router0 is at the POE, router1 and router2 actually serve as wireless 
access points.  All was fine until router0 crapped out today.  (I'd been 
having performance issues for weeks, but thought it was with the ISP.)  
All three routers were D-Link DL 514.  I bought a new NetGear WNDR3400 
to replace router0.  Now, comes the issue.  It wants to establish its 
own network - which for the nonce I have allowed, because that got me 
back online.  I want it to join the existing network - using the SSID I 
already have established.  How do I do that?  I tried just changing its 
SSID name and feeding it my WEP key.  It said that SSID already existed 
and refused.  How do I coax the new router to join the old network and 
take over for the old router that crapped out?

Thanks,
T

From gustav at cactus.dk  Sat Apr 16 12:29:01 2011
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2011 19:29:01 +0200
Subject: [dba-Tech] A simple SAN solution for testing or those on
	a	tight budget
Message-ID: <sda9ee23.035@cactus.dk>

Hi Jim

This is great news!
The third party solutions for Windows are either very expensive or very limited, and those for Linux and Solaris are ugly to administer for a Windows guy and a nigthmare to install and - if not expensive - somewhat limited.

Thanks for posting this!
By the way, the comprehensive Technet documentation is here:

http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/gg232606(WS.10).aspx

/gustav


>>> accessd at shaw.ca 15-04-2011 19:15 >>>
Microsoft now has a free SAN type solution for us who need to test before we
deploy and for small businesses on very limited budgets.

See the following article:

http://blogs.technet.com/b/canitpro/archive/2011/04/05/the-microsoft-iscsi-software-target-is-now-free.aspx

..and the all important download link with its quick product summary and
installation tips. The only restriction is that you must have a Sever2008 R2
but if you have had access to a Technet subscription or that your company is
part of computer support you already do.

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/en/details.aspx?FamilyID=45105d7f-8c6c-4666-a305-c8189062a0d0

Jim



From accessd at shaw.ca  Sat Apr 16 22:20:40 2011
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2011 20:20:40 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] New router network puzzle
In-Reply-To: <4DA90BC0.5000508@torchlake.com>
References: <4DA90BC0.5000508@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <04007F39680943789317263EE1C8237F@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Hi Tina:

Sorry for not getting back to you sooner but it has been crazy here...a
client network crash, coding is well behind and the grass just keeps growing
and the gardens are not finished yet... |-P

It seems like a fairly complex configuration. Was router 0 connected to a
PoE switch? Are all the routers Broadband? 

It does seem that your little network is maybe a little rich on routers. At
quick glance I can not see why Router 0 is needed. A switch (or hubs) should
be more the adequate. As you have a number of Routers all except one must
have the DNS turned off; each will have a different IP address, within a
single range (192.168.111.1, 192.168.111.2 etc.), but the same subnet mask
and can not conflict with any connecting computers, which are also in the
same IP range.

This is all the basics... 

To eliminate all conflict issues, your new router 0 will have to be setup by
itself, directly connected to a PC and directly to the internet so the base
configuration can be set as any active/connected component in the network
could conflict until the new router's setting are complete.

When you finally get the configurations set, save a print page of the
setting and save those setting to computer/thumb drive or DVD. It will make
it a quicker to rebuild the router is any thing goes wrong within the
warranty period.

A lot of the above is just a guess as I am having a bit of a problem
understanding your network but those are the basics and if there is any
other questions feel free to ask.

HTH
Jim


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris
Fields
Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 8:24 PM
To: DBA-Tech
Subject: [dba-Tech] New router network puzzle

Hi All,

I have a broadband internet network consisting of the antenna, POE, 
router0, cabled router1, cabled router2, two computers wireless 
connected to router1, and 3 computers wireless connected to router2.

Router0 is at the POE, router1 and router2 actually serve as wireless 
access points.  All was fine until router0 crapped out today.  (I'd been 
having performance issues for weeks, but thought it was with the ISP.)  
All three routers were D-Link DL 514.  I bought a new NetGear WNDR3400 
to replace router0.  Now, comes the issue.  It wants to establish its 
own network - which for the nonce I have allowed, because that got me 
back online.  I want it to join the existing network - using the SSID I 
already have established.  How do I do that?  I tried just changing its 
SSID name and feeding it my WEP key.  It said that SSID already existed 
and refused.  How do I coax the new router to join the old network and 
take over for the old router that crapped out?

Thanks,
T
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sat Apr 16 23:09:34 2011
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2011 21:09:34 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Here is some super browser based graphics
In-Reply-To: <04007F39680943789317263EE1C8237F@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <4DA90BC0.5000508@torchlake.com>
	<04007F39680943789317263EE1C8237F@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <0E5F0A34E96D4242A1691ACA69C9C286@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Hi All:

Here is a site where you can view and run some incredible graphic 3D demos.
Sorry, IE is excluded and you must have a graphics card that supports the
new standard WebGL. See the follow information from Google Chrome giving a
list of supported OSs and graphic cards:

http://www.google.com/support/chrome/bin/answer.py?answer=1220892

 
Here is the link to a group of 3D graphic online demos and games
http://www.queness.com/post/7459/8-stunning-javascript-webgl-demonstrations

Jim 


From accessd at shaw.ca  Sat Apr 16 23:15:22 2011
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2011 21:15:22 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Is there are war brewing on the horizon between IE and
	everyone else?
In-Reply-To: <0E5F0A34E96D4242A1691ACA69C9C286@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <4DA90BC0.5000508@torchlake.com>
	<04007F39680943789317263EE1C8237F@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<0E5F0A34E96D4242A1691ACA69C9C286@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <A742E6A6D7FD457B97F2046EE637951C@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Has Microsoft decided to take on the rest of the world by going off on its
own standards and implementations for it browsers IE9 and IE10?

The owner of the attached link seems to think so. 
http://www.readwriteweb.com/hack/2011/04/internet-explorer-webgl-and-a.php

Jim


From gustav at cactus.dk  Sun Apr 17 03:48:48 2011
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2011 10:48:48 +0200
Subject: [dba-Tech] A simple SAN solution for testing or those on
	a	tight budget
Message-ID: <sdaac59a.040@cactus.dk>

Hi Jim et al

A good intro and a useful FAQ can be found at Jose Barreto's Blog here:

http://blogs.technet.com/b/josebda/archive/2011/04/04/microsoft-iscsi-software-target-3-3-for-windows-server-2008-r2-available-for-public-download.aspx 

<quote>
The Microsoft iSCSI Software Target has been available for production use as part of Windows Storage Server since early 2007. ..
However, until now, there was no way to use the Microsoft iSCSI Software Target in production on a regular server running Windows Server 2008 R2.

.. the software is essentially the same software that ships with Windows Storage Server 2008 R2. Windows Storage Server 2008 R2 and the public download package will be refreshed (kept in sync) with any software fixes and updates.
</quote>

So, I would say, nothing "simple" about this free offer.

/gustav


>>> gustav at cactus.dk 16-04-2011 19:29 >>>
Hi Jim

This is great news!
The third party solutions for Windows are either very expensive or very limited, and those for Linux and Solaris are ugly to administer for a Windows guy and a nightmare to install and - if not expensive - somewhat limited.

Thanks for posting this!
By the way, the comprehensive Technet documentation is here:

http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/gg232606(WS.10).aspx 

/gustav


>>> accessd at shaw.ca 15-04-2011 19:15 >>>
Microsoft now has a free SAN type solution for us who need to test before we
deploy and for small businesses on very limited budgets.

See the following article:

http://blogs.technet.com/b/canitpro/archive/2011/04/05/the-microsoft-iscsi-software-target-is-now-free.aspx 

..and the all important download link with its quick product summary and
installation tips. The only restriction is that you must have a Sever2008 R2
but if you have had access to a Technet subscription or that your company is
part of computer support you already do.

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/en/details.aspx?FamilyID=45105d7f-8c6c-4666-a305-c8189062a0d0 

Jim



From accessd at shaw.ca  Sun Apr 17 05:31:37 2011
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2011 03:31:37 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] A simple SAN solution for testing or those
	on	a	tight budget
In-Reply-To: <sdaac59a.040@cactus.dk>
References: <sdaac59a.040@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <360B3D33037B4251A6A2E786E4C27DE0@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Hi Gustav:

Thanks for the information. My system is currently in maintenance mode so it
should a good chance to plan exactly what things should look like.

Jim



-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2011 1:49 AM
To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] A simple SAN solution for testing or those on a
tight budget

Hi Jim et al

A good intro and a useful FAQ can be found at Jose Barreto's Blog here:

http://blogs.technet.com/b/josebda/archive/2011/04/04/microsoft-iscsi-softwa
re-target-3-3-for-windows-server-2008-r2-available-for-public-download.aspx 

<quote>
The Microsoft iSCSI Software Target has been available for production use as
part of Windows Storage Server since early 2007. ..
However, until now, there was no way to use the Microsoft iSCSI Software
Target in production on a regular server running Windows Server 2008 R2.

.. the software is essentially the same software that ships with Windows
Storage Server 2008 R2. Windows Storage Server 2008 R2 and the public
download package will be refreshed (kept in sync) with any software fixes
and updates.
</quote>

So, I would say, nothing "simple" about this free offer.

/gustav


>>> gustav at cactus.dk 16-04-2011 19:29 >>>
Hi Jim

This is great news!
The third party solutions for Windows are either very expensive or very
limited, and those for Linux and Solaris are ugly to administer for a
Windows guy and a nightmare to install and - if not expensive - somewhat
limited.

Thanks for posting this!
By the way, the comprehensive Technet documentation is here:

http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/gg232606(WS.10).aspx 

/gustav


>>> accessd at shaw.ca 15-04-2011 19:15 >>>
Microsoft now has a free SAN type solution for us who need to test before we
deploy and for small businesses on very limited budgets.

See the following article:

http://blogs.technet.com/b/canitpro/archive/2011/04/05/the-microsoft-iscsi-s
oftware-target-is-now-free.aspx 

..and the all important download link with its quick product summary and
installation tips. The only restriction is that you must have a Sever2008 R2
but if you have had access to a Technet subscription or that your company is
part of computer support you already do.

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/en/details.aspx?FamilyID=45105d7f-8c6c-46
66-a305-c8189062a0d0 

Jim


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From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Sun Apr 17 06:19:15 2011
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2011 07:19:15 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] New router network puzzle
In-Reply-To: <04007F39680943789317263EE1C8237F@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <4DA90BC0.5000508@torchlake.com>
	<04007F39680943789317263EE1C8237F@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <4DAACCB3.3050600@torchlake.com>

Hi Jim,

Thanks for the response.  I completely understand the "crazy" business.  
I, too, have been dealing with colliding deadlines.

I'll start with the layout.  My home is an ancestral home, a rambling 
house that started out small and got built onto by my grandfather.  It 
is now L shaped, with the old part of the house in the short side of the 
L and the new part in the long side.  The long side of the L is about 
50' long, two stories tall, and made of concrete blocks.  The short side 
is about 30' long, one story tall with an attic, mostly wood frame, 
except for where the old porch got turned into an extra room - that part 
is concrete block construction.  There is also an apartment above the 
garage (also concrete block construction). My grandfather did not want 
anything he built to ever fall down! :-)  That is about 75' away from 
the far end of the long side of the L.  The property is heavily wooded.  
The antenna is on a tower at the far end of the long side of the L  The 
POE is inside the window of the bedroom nearest the tower.  My office is 
in the concrete block room at the far end of the short side of the L, 
with lots of walls for the signal to go through.  That is why there is a 
cabled router in my office, which acts as just a wireless access point 
for the computers in my office.  There is a cabled router in the garage 
apartment, which also acts as just a wireless access point for the 
computers up there.

So, the router 0, connected to the POE, acts as a hub.  Routers 1 and 2 
are connected by cable to router 0 because of the distances and 
obstacles involved, and they both act as wireless access points for 
their respective areas.  In some places on the property, a wireless 
laptop computer can reach all three routers, but in most places, only 
one of the routers offers a strong enough signal.

I have set up the new router 0 so that it has the correct gateway IP 
address, and now both routers 1 and 2 recognize that gateway and provide 
internet access to the computers in their area.  However, I still have 
the matter of two SSID names.  Maybe it doesn't matter, but I'd like to 
have everybody on the same network with the same name.  And at least I'd 
like to understand what it takes to replace one piece of equipment with 
another and have the new equipment join the existing network.

Thanks again for taking the time to look at my situation.  I really 
appreciate your help.

T



Jim Lawrence wrote:
> Hi Tina:
>
> Sorry for not getting back to you sooner but it has been crazy here...a
> client network crash, coding is well behind and the grass just keeps growing
> and the gardens are not finished yet... |-P
>
> It seems like a fairly complex configuration. Was router 0 connected to a
> PoE switch? Are all the routers Broadband? 
>
> It does seem that your little network is maybe a little rich on routers. At
> quick glance I can not see why Router 0 is needed. A switch (or hubs) should
> be more the adequate. As you have a number of Routers all except one must
> have the DNS turned off; each will have a different IP address, within a
> single range (192.168.111.1, 192.168.111.2 etc.), but the same subnet mask
> and can not conflict with any connecting computers, which are also in the
> same IP range.
>
> This is all the basics... 
>
> To eliminate all conflict issues, your new router 0 will have to be setup by
> itself, directly connected to a PC and directly to the internet so the base
> configuration can be set as any active/connected component in the network
> could conflict until the new router's setting are complete.
>
> When you finally get the configurations set, save a print page of the
> setting and save those setting to computer/thumb drive or DVD. It will make
> it a quicker to rebuild the router is any thing goes wrong within the
> warranty period.
>
> A lot of the above is just a guess as I am having a bit of a problem
> understanding your network but those are the basics and if there is any
> other questions feel free to ask.
>
> HTH
> Jim
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris
> Fields
> Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 8:24 PM
> To: DBA-Tech
> Subject: [dba-Tech] New router network puzzle
>
> Hi All,
>
> I have a broadband internet network consisting of the antenna, POE, 
> router0, cabled router1, cabled router2, two computers wireless 
> connected to router1, and 3 computers wireless connected to router2.
>
> Router0 is at the POE, router1 and router2 actually serve as wireless 
> access points.  All was fine until router0 crapped out today.  (I'd been 
> having performance issues for weeks, but thought it was with the ISP.)  
> All three routers were D-Link DL 514.  I bought a new NetGear WNDR3400 
> to replace router0.  Now, comes the issue.  It wants to establish its 
> own network - which for the nonce I have allowed, because that got me 
> back online.  I want it to join the existing network - using the SSID I 
> already have established.  How do I do that?  I tried just changing its 
> SSID name and feeding it my WEP key.  It said that SSID already existed 
> and refused.  How do I coax the new router to join the old network and 
> take over for the old router that crapped out?
>
> Thanks,
> T
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sun Apr 17 11:44:01 2011
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2011 09:44:01 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] New router network puzzle
In-Reply-To: <4DAACCB3.3050600@torchlake.com>
References: <4DA90BC0.5000508@torchlake.com>
	<04007F39680943789317263EE1C8237F@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<4DAACCB3.3050600@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <F01E017737204D8E97E4D99155EDFDAB@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Hi Tina:

Between the gardening and a coffee and a new counter-top for the last
bathroom and another coffee and always programming (running late, very late)
and yet another coffee and doing an HTML page (with tabs on the top
signifying years and tabs of the side signifying months) and we will have to
do a grocery and garden run as soon as all the dirt and saw-dust has been
washed away. How I love Sundays...clear blue sky and cool...perfect ;-)

At the risk of yet digressing again; your place sounds absolutely lovely; a
real picture postcard home. I can now see why such a complex router layout. 

The Router 0 is the key to everything and of course that failed. Of course
you have a complete copy of all the specs of all the routers on a handy
sheet paper and/or maybe the SSID specs are on a label attached to bottom of
each router just incase anything got lost as the chance of remembering all
your codes and passwords is 1000:1, unless you have a photographic memory or
have a standard sequence. If you do not, you will most likely have to reset
the logins, wifi wise on all the routers and start from scratch. (I hate to
be the bearer of bad news.) Actually that is the good news as then ever
computer that accesses the WiFis will have to have their setting changed as
well.

All I can say at this point is to set up Router0 using the setting from the
other routers as a base template and then set the appropriate differences as
outlined in the last post...hope that post was easy to understand.

Right now I am having a problem with my router as it a Gigabit; Dlink DDR.
Our local ISP uses a method of starting a connection in burst mode and then
slowing down. My router steps up to the burst mode but does not like to
resume at a slower speed. In addition we have discovered only one (there are
probably many) IP addresses that the Router will block for absolutely no
reason. We actually had the senior tech specialist from Dlink logon and
test...and yes, it is the case and there is no resolution. (We are using an
$8 wireless router set to only respond to one IP address and linked around
the main router and into the switch...and it did take a while to resolve the
resultant hardware chatter.)

If there is any more help I can give you just send another post.

Jim



-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris
Fields
Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2011 4:19 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] New router network puzzle

Hi Jim,

Thanks for the response.  I completely understand the "crazy" business.  
I, too, have been dealing with colliding deadlines.

I'll start with the layout.  My home is an ancestral home, a rambling 
house that started out small and got built onto by my grandfather.  It 
is now L shaped, with the old part of the house in the short side of the 
L and the new part in the long side.  The long side of the L is about 
50' long, two stories tall, and made of concrete blocks.  The short side 
is about 30' long, one story tall with an attic, mostly wood frame, 
except for where the old porch got turned into an extra room - that part 
is concrete block construction.  There is also an apartment above the 
garage (also concrete block construction). My grandfather did not want 
anything he built to ever fall down! :-)  That is about 75' away from 
the far end of the long side of the L.  The property is heavily wooded.  
The antenna is on a tower at the far end of the long side of the L  The 
POE is inside the window of the bedroom nearest the tower.  My office is 
in the concrete block room at the far end of the short side of the L, 
with lots of walls for the signal to go through.  That is why there is a 
cabled router in my office, which acts as just a wireless access point 
for the computers in my office.  There is a cabled router in the garage 
apartment, which also acts as just a wireless access point for the 
computers up there.

So, the router 0, connected to the POE, acts as a hub.  Routers 1 and 2 
are connected by cable to router 0 because of the distances and 
obstacles involved, and they both act as wireless access points for 
their respective areas.  In some places on the property, a wireless 
laptop computer can reach all three routers, but in most places, only 
one of the routers offers a strong enough signal.

I have set up the new router 0 so that it has the correct gateway IP 
address, and now both routers 1 and 2 recognize that gateway and provide 
internet access to the computers in their area.  However, I still have 
the matter of two SSID names.  Maybe it doesn't matter, but I'd like to 
have everybody on the same network with the same name.  And at least I'd 
like to understand what it takes to replace one piece of equipment with 
another and have the new equipment join the existing network.

Thanks again for taking the time to look at my situation.  I really 
appreciate your help.

T



Jim Lawrence wrote:
> Hi Tina:
>
> Sorry for not getting back to you sooner but it has been crazy here...a
> client network crash, coding is well behind and the grass just keeps
growing
> and the gardens are not finished yet... |-P
>
> It seems like a fairly complex configuration. Was router 0 connected to a
> PoE switch? Are all the routers Broadband? 
>
> It does seem that your little network is maybe a little rich on routers.
At
> quick glance I can not see why Router 0 is needed. A switch (or hubs)
should
> be more the adequate. As you have a number of Routers all except one must
> have the DNS turned off; each will have a different IP address, within a
> single range (192.168.111.1, 192.168.111.2 etc.), but the same subnet mask
> and can not conflict with any connecting computers, which are also in the
> same IP range.
>
> This is all the basics... 
>
> To eliminate all conflict issues, your new router 0 will have to be setup
by
> itself, directly connected to a PC and directly to the internet so the
base
> configuration can be set as any active/connected component in the network
> could conflict until the new router's setting are complete.
>
> When you finally get the configurations set, save a print page of the
> setting and save those setting to computer/thumb drive or DVD. It will
make
> it a quicker to rebuild the router is any thing goes wrong within the
> warranty period.
>
> A lot of the above is just a guess as I am having a bit of a problem
> understanding your network but those are the basics and if there is any
> other questions feel free to ask.
>
> HTH
> Jim
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris
> Fields
> Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 8:24 PM
> To: DBA-Tech
> Subject: [dba-Tech] New router network puzzle
>
> Hi All,
>
> I have a broadband internet network consisting of the antenna, POE, 
> router0, cabled router1, cabled router2, two computers wireless 
> connected to router1, and 3 computers wireless connected to router2.
>
> Router0 is at the POE, router1 and router2 actually serve as wireless 
> access points.  All was fine until router0 crapped out today.  (I'd been 
> having performance issues for weeks, but thought it was with the ISP.)  
> All three routers were D-Link DL 514.  I bought a new NetGear WNDR3400 
> to replace router0.  Now, comes the issue.  It wants to establish its 
> own network - which for the nonce I have allowed, because that got me 
> back online.  I want it to join the existing network - using the SSID I 
> already have established.  How do I do that?  I tried just changing its 
> SSID name and feeding it my WEP key.  It said that SSID already existed 
> and refused.  How do I coax the new router to join the old network and 
> take over for the old router that crapped out?
>
> Thanks,
> T
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
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>
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From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Sun Apr 17 14:38:36 2011
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2011 15:38:36 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] New router network puzzle
In-Reply-To: <F01E017737204D8E97E4D99155EDFDAB@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <4DA90BC0.5000508@torchlake.com><04007F39680943789317263EE1C8237F@creativesystemdesigns.com><4DAACCB3.3050600@torchla
	ke.com>
	<F01E017737204D8E97E4D99155EDFDAB@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <4DAB41BC.50206@torchlake.com>

Hi Jim,
Actually, I did keep a copy of the specs for the routers in my system.  
Thus, I was able to fix the IP address conflict that did arise.  The new 
router 0 insisted on xxx.xxx.1.x rather than xxx.xxx.0.x for its IP 
address, so I had to change router 1 from 192.168.1.1 to 192.168.3.1, 
which worked perfectly.

Now, every computer has access to the internet.  However, I still have 
the issue of there being two networks.  The gateway IP address and the 
WEP key have made the internet access work.  How do I persuade the 
NetGear router - the new router 0 - to join the existing home-office 
network?

And, yes, where I live is a little bit of paradise. It's a heavily 
wooded property with a river that runs through it.  We have the beauty 
and excitement of all four seasons.  We are visited by the deer and the 
turkeys and lots of other wild creatures.  We enjoy the many birds, 
especially the hummingbirds that visit us.  We're in a small town, but 
we're near enough to a bigger town to have the cultural, medical, and 
business advantages of that setting.  Our "big" city is Traverse City, 
with the beautiful twin bays, the annual Cherry Festival, and the annual 
Film Festival.  It's a good place to be.

Thanks for your help on this broadband wireless network puzzle.  I now 
grasp the basics fairly well.  I look forward to understanding a whole 
lot more.

Best regards,
T

Jim Lawrence wrote:
> Hi Tina:
>
> Between the gardening and a coffee and a new counter-top for the last
> bathroom and another coffee and always programming (running late, very late)
> and yet another coffee and doing an HTML page (with tabs on the top
> signifying years and tabs of the side signifying months) and we will have to
> do a grocery and garden run as soon as all the dirt and saw-dust has been
> washed away. How I love Sundays...clear blue sky and cool...perfect ;-)
>
> At the risk of yet digressing again; your place sounds absolutely lovely; a
> real picture postcard home. I can now see why such a complex router layout. 
>
> The Router 0 is the key to everything and of course that failed. Of course
> you have a complete copy of all the specs of all the routers on a handy
> sheet paper and/or maybe the SSID specs are on a label attached to bottom of
> each router just incase anything got lost as the chance of remembering all
> your codes and passwords is 1000:1, unless you have a photographic memory or
> have a standard sequence. If you do not, you will most likely have to reset
> the logins, wifi wise on all the routers and start from scratch. (I hate to
> be the bearer of bad news.) Actually that is the good news as then ever
> computer that accesses the WiFis will have to have their setting changed as
> well.
>
> All I can say at this point is to set up Router0 using the setting from the
> other routers as a base template and then set the appropriate differences as
> outlined in the last post...hope that post was easy to understand.
>
> Right now I am having a problem with my router as it a Gigabit; Dlink DDR.
> Our local ISP uses a method of starting a connection in burst mode and then
> slowing down. My router steps up to the burst mode but does not like to
> resume at a slower speed. In addition we have discovered only one (there are
> probably many) IP addresses that the Router will block for absolutely no
> reason. We actually had the senior tech specialist from Dlink logon and
> test...and yes, it is the case and there is no resolution. (We are using an
> $8 wireless router set to only respond to one IP address and linked around
> the main router and into the switch...and it did take a while to resolve the
> resultant hardware chatter.)
>
> If there is any more help I can give you just send another post.
>
> Jim
>
>
>   

From accessd at shaw.ca  Sun Apr 17 15:26:08 2011
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2011 13:26:08 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] New router network puzzle
In-Reply-To: <4DAB41BC.50206@torchlake.com>
References: <4DA90BC0.5000508@torchlake.com>
	<04007F39680943789317263EE1C8237F@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<4DAACCB3.3050600@torchla> <ke.com@prod.shaw.ca>
	<F01E017737204D8E97E4D99155EDFDAB@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<4DAB41BC.50206@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <C40304AD045C46F1ACE44A90AB2A4285@creativesystemdesigns.com>

The only way that can be done is the set a common IP range through out the
network. As the new Router 0 will not/can not be changed then all the
computers as well as the Routers (which you have already done) will have to
be changed... something like 192.168.0.100,101,102 etc. Can we assume that
the subnet mask on all computers and routers is 255.255.255.0?

Your property does sound awesome. I did see some pictures awhile back
related to a family gathering but any other seasonal pictures you would like
to post would be very nice...snow in the trees, red leaves of fall, wild
flowers of spring etc. :-)

Jim

 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris
Fields
Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2011 12:39 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] New router network puzzle

Hi Jim,
Actually, I did keep a copy of the specs for the routers in my system.  
Thus, I was able to fix the IP address conflict that did arise.  The new 
router 0 insisted on xxx.xxx.1.x rather than xxx.xxx.0.x for its IP 
address, so I had to change router 1 from 192.168.1.1 to 192.168.3.1, 
which worked perfectly.

Now, every computer has access to the internet.  However, I still have 
the issue of there being two networks.  The gateway IP address and the 
WEP key have made the internet access work.  How do I persuade the 
NetGear router - the new router 0 - to join the existing home-office 
network?

And, yes, where I live is a little bit of paradise. It's a heavily 
wooded property with a river that runs through it.  We have the beauty 
and excitement of all four seasons.  We are visited by the deer and the 
turkeys and lots of other wild creatures.  We enjoy the many birds, 
especially the hummingbirds that visit us.  We're in a small town, but 
we're near enough to a bigger town to have the cultural, medical, and 
business advantages of that setting.  Our "big" city is Traverse City, 
with the beautiful twin bays, the annual Cherry Festival, and the annual 
Film Festival.  It's a good place to be.

Thanks for your help on this broadband wireless network puzzle.  I now 
grasp the basics fairly well.  I look forward to understanding a whole 
lot more.

Best regards,
T

Jim Lawrence wrote:
> Hi Tina:
>
> Between the gardening and a coffee and a new counter-top for the last
> bathroom and another coffee and always programming (running late, very
late)
> and yet another coffee and doing an HTML page (with tabs on the top
> signifying years and tabs of the side signifying months) and we will have
to
> do a grocery and garden run as soon as all the dirt and saw-dust has been
> washed away. How I love Sundays...clear blue sky and cool...perfect ;-)
>
> At the risk of yet digressing again; your place sounds absolutely lovely;
a
> real picture postcard home. I can now see why such a complex router
layout. 
>
> The Router 0 is the key to everything and of course that failed. Of course
> you have a complete copy of all the specs of all the routers on a handy
> sheet paper and/or maybe the SSID specs are on a label attached to bottom
of
> each router just incase anything got lost as the chance of remembering all
> your codes and passwords is 1000:1, unless you have a photographic memory
or
> have a standard sequence. If you do not, you will most likely have to
reset
> the logins, wifi wise on all the routers and start from scratch. (I hate
to
> be the bearer of bad news.) Actually that is the good news as then ever
> computer that accesses the WiFis will have to have their setting changed
as
> well.
>
> All I can say at this point is to set up Router0 using the setting from
the
> other routers as a base template and then set the appropriate differences
as
> outlined in the last post...hope that post was easy to understand.
>
> Right now I am having a problem with my router as it a Gigabit; Dlink DDR.
> Our local ISP uses a method of starting a connection in burst mode and
then
> slowing down. My router steps up to the burst mode but does not like to
> resume at a slower speed. In addition we have discovered only one (there
are
> probably many) IP addresses that the Router will block for absolutely no
> reason. We actually had the senior tech specialist from Dlink logon and
> test...and yes, it is the case and there is no resolution. (We are using
an
> $8 wireless router set to only respond to one IP address and linked around
> the main router and into the switch...and it did take a while to resolve
the
> resultant hardware chatter.)
>
> If there is any more help I can give you just send another post.
>
> Jim
>
>
>   
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From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Sun Apr 17 20:24:00 2011
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2011 21:24:00 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] New router network puzzle
In-Reply-To: <C40304AD045C46F1ACE44A90AB2A4285@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <4DA90BC0.5000508@torchlake.com><04007F39680943789317263EE1C8237F@creativesystemdesigns.com><4DAACCB3.3050600@torchla>
	<ke.com@prod.shaw.ca><F01E017737204D8E97E4D99155EDFDAB@creativesystemdesigns.com><4DAB41BC.50206@torchlake.com>
	<C40304AD045C46F1ACE44A90AB2A4285@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <4DAB92B0.8040102@torchlake.com>

Hi Jim,

Yes, the subnet mask on all the computers and routers is 255.255.255.0.  
The IP ranges are all compatible.

I will post some more photos sometime - not sure just when, but I 
promise I will.  The winters can be spectacularly beautiful, and I do 
have some gorgeous photos of this past winter.

Time to toddle off to read in bed.

Best,
T

Jim Lawrence wrote:
> The only way that can be done is the set a common IP range through out the
> network. As the new Router 0 will not/can not be changed then all the
> computers as well as the Routers (which you have already done) will have to
> be changed... something like 192.168.0.100,101,102 etc. Can we assume that
> the subnet mask on all computers and routers is 255.255.255.0?
>
> Your property does sound awesome. I did see some pictures awhile back
> related to a family gathering but any other seasonal pictures you would like
> to post would be very nice...snow in the trees, red leaves of fall, wild
> flowers of spring etc. :-)
>
> Jim
>
>  
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris
> Fields
> Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2011 12:39 PM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] New router network puzzle
>
> Hi Jim,
> Actually, I did keep a copy of the specs for the routers in my system.  
> Thus, I was able to fix the IP address conflict that did arise.  The new 
> router 0 insisted on xxx.xxx.1.x rather than xxx.xxx.0.x for its IP 
> address, so I had to change router 1 from 192.168.1.1 to 192.168.3.1, 
> which worked perfectly.
>
> Now, every computer has access to the internet.  However, I still have 
> the issue of there being two networks.  The gateway IP address and the 
> WEP key have made the internet access work.  How do I persuade the 
> NetGear router - the new router 0 - to join the existing home-office 
> network?
>
> And, yes, where I live is a little bit of paradise. It's a heavily 
> wooded property with a river that runs through it.  We have the beauty 
> and excitement of all four seasons.  We are visited by the deer and the 
> turkeys and lots of other wild creatures.  We enjoy the many birds, 
> especially the hummingbirds that visit us.  We're in a small town, but 
> we're near enough to a bigger town to have the cultural, medical, and 
> business advantages of that setting.  Our "big" city is Traverse City, 
> with the beautiful twin bays, the annual Cherry Festival, and the annual 
> Film Festival.  It's a good place to be.
>
> Thanks for your help on this broadband wireless network puzzle.  I now 
> grasp the basics fairly well.  I look forward to understanding a whole 
> lot more.
>
> Best regards,
> T
>
> Jim Lawrence wrote:
>   
>> Hi Tina:
>>
>> Between the gardening and a coffee and a new counter-top for the last
>> bathroom and another coffee and always programming (running late, very
>>     
> late)
>   
>> and yet another coffee and doing an HTML page (with tabs on the top
>> signifying years and tabs of the side signifying months) and we will have
>>     
> to
>   
>> do a grocery and garden run as soon as all the dirt and saw-dust has been
>> washed away. How I love Sundays...clear blue sky and cool...perfect ;-)
>>
>> At the risk of yet digressing again; your place sounds absolutely lovely;
>>     
> a
>   
>> real picture postcard home. I can now see why such a complex router
>>     
> layout. 
>   
>> The Router 0 is the key to everything and of course that failed. Of course
>> you have a complete copy of all the specs of all the routers on a handy
>> sheet paper and/or maybe the SSID specs are on a label attached to bottom
>>     
> of
>   
>> each router just incase anything got lost as the chance of remembering all
>> your codes and passwords is 1000:1, unless you have a photographic memory
>>     
> or
>   
>> have a standard sequence. If you do not, you will most likely have to
>>     
> reset
>   
>> the logins, wifi wise on all the routers and start from scratch. (I hate
>>     
> to
>   
>> be the bearer of bad news.) Actually that is the good news as then ever
>> computer that accesses the WiFis will have to have their setting changed
>>     
> as
>   
>> well.
>>
>> All I can say at this point is to set up Router0 using the setting from
>>     
> the
>   
>> other routers as a base template and then set the appropriate differences
>>     
> as
>   
>> outlined in the last post...hope that post was easy to understand.
>>
>> Right now I am having a problem with my router as it a Gigabit; Dlink DDR.
>> Our local ISP uses a method of starting a connection in burst mode and
>>     
> then
>   
>> slowing down. My router steps up to the burst mode but does not like to
>> resume at a slower speed. In addition we have discovered only one (there
>>     
> are
>   
>> probably many) IP addresses that the Router will block for absolutely no
>> reason. We actually had the senior tech specialist from Dlink logon and
>> test...and yes, it is the case and there is no resolution. (We are using
>>     
> an
>   
>> $8 wireless router set to only respond to one IP address and linked around
>> the main router and into the switch...and it did take a while to resolve
>>     
> the
>   
>> resultant hardware chatter.)
>>
>> If there is any more help I can give you just send another post.
>>
>> Jim
>>
>>
>>   
>>     
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Apr 18 13:50:39 2011
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2011 11:50:39 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] New router network puzzle
In-Reply-To: <4DAB92B0.8040102@torchlake.com>
References: <4DA90BC0.5000508@torchlake.com>
	<04007F39680943789317263EE1C8237F@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<4DAACCB3.3050600@torchla> <ke.com@prod.shaw.ca>
	<F01E017737204D8E97E4D99155EDFDAB@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<4DAB41BC.50206@torchlake.com>
	<C40304AD045C46F1ACE44A90AB2A4285@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<4DAB92B0.8040102@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <E15FEE88A5F642F1B82382D91D7325A9@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Can I assume everything is working as it should? 

First of all, the way the ports for each router is setup states that each is
on a different segment or workgroup.

Given: router0 is 192.168.1.1 and router1 is 192.168.3.1 etc., each is
basically an unrelated network. To be inter-related, their number sequence
would be something like 192.168.1.1, 192.168.1.2, 192.168.1.3,...
 
If not the only other possible blockage is ports. Most routers come with all
ports blocked but for port 80 and sometime port 25. On the new router make
sure at least port 80 is open and only open other ports as necessary. 

Make sure the gateway address to your ISP is setup on you new router0 as it
is the main pass-through firewall. In your Router0 make sure your virtual
servers (in this case routers) are setup correctly

"Router1": application name, Public port: 80, Protocol: TCP, Schedule:
always, IP Address: 192.168.2.1 (or 192.169.1.2) computer name, Private
port: 80, Protocol: 6, Inbound Filter: allow all.

"Router2": application name, Public port: 80, Protocol: TCP, Schedule:
always, IP Address: 192.168.3.1 (or 192.169.1.3) computer name, Private
port: 80, Protocol: 6, Inbound Filter: allow all.

...and so on. There would have to be other ports open if there is a gamer in
the family or you are using RDP, Oracle, MS SQL, remote networking etc.

If you are still having issues send me some pictures from your Router0 base
setup page and the configuration of your virtual page, where all you other
routers have to be managed as if they are computers.

HTH
Jim

PS Please do send those pictures when you get a chance.

   

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris
Fields
Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2011 6:24 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] New router network puzzle

Hi Jim,

Yes, the subnet mask on all the computers and routers is 255.255.255.0.  
The IP ranges are all compatible.

I will post some more photos sometime - not sure just when, but I 
promise I will.  The winters can be spectacularly beautiful, and I do 
have some gorgeous photos of this past winter.

Time to toddle off to read in bed.

Best,
T


From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Tue Apr 19 09:48:33 2011
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 10:48:33 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] New router network puzzle
In-Reply-To: <E15FEE88A5F642F1B82382D91D7325A9@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <4DA90BC0.5000508@torchlake.com><04007F39680943789317263EE1C8237F@creativesystemdesigns.com><4DAACCB3.3050600@torchla>
	<ke.com@prod.shaw.ca><F01E017737204D8E97E4D99155EDFDAB@creativesystemdesigns.com><4DAB41BC.50206@torchlake.com><C40304AD045C46F
	1ACE44A90AB2A4285@creativesystemdesigns.com><4DAB92B0.8040102@torchlake.com>
	<E15FEE88A5F642F1B82382D91D7325A9@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <4DADA0C1.4080807@torchlake.com>

Hello Jim,

Yes, everything is working, in terms of access to the internet.  Thank 
you for continuing the lesson in networking.  Your explanation has given 
me another AHA! moment. 

So, each router as now configured is, indeed, part of a separate 
grouping - and I see how the IP addressing works to group them.  Thanks.

When my home-office configuration was established by the tech from my 
ISP, in addition to the IP addresses, each router was made part of the 
same SSID.  The new router 0 does not want to accept the SSID name from 
the existing "network."  So, if my laptop is in the range of that new 
router - which at this point has an SSID name of NETGEAR - it cannot 
print on my HP 6500 wireless printer, because at that point the laptop 
and the printer are on different networks.  If I could persuade the new 
router to accept being part of the SSID that the other two routers are 
in, then that issue would disappear.

For virtually all the other computers, there no longer is an issue.  
They do not move around and they will not ever be grabbing the NETGEAR 
SSID.  But, I move about with my laptop computer, and for my computer, 
this is an issue.

This question does occur to me:  would it make sense to configure the 
routers 1 and 2 with new IP addresses that are part of the router 0 
grouping?  If I did that, and presumably released and renewed IP 
addresses for all the components that connect to those routers, would 
the entire SSID then become NETGEAR?  Would I then be able to change the 
SSID name back to my chosen one?  I would really like to have everyone 
in the same SSID.

Thank you very much for the setup details for routers 1 and 2.  They 
look to be what I recall, though I will double check.

Truly, I appreciate what you are teaching me.  I have needed to learn 
this stuff for a while, now, and I've not made the time to do so.

Best,
T
P.S. I'm updating my "to do" list to include posting pictures of last 
winter - although spring doesn't quite appear to have arrived, yet!!! :-)

Jim Lawrence wrote:
> Can I assume everything is working as it should? 
>
> First of all, the way the ports for each router is setup states that each is
> on a different segment or workgroup.
>
> Given: router0 is 192.168.1.1 and router1 is 192.168.3.1 etc., each is
> basically an unrelated network. To be inter-related, their number sequence
> would be something like 192.168.1.1, 192.168.1.2, 192.168.1.3,...
>  
> If not the only other possible blockage is ports. Most routers come with all
> ports blocked but for port 80 and sometime port 25. On the new router make
> sure at least port 80 is open and only open other ports as necessary. 
>
> Make sure the gateway address to your ISP is setup on you new router0 as it
> is the main pass-through firewall. In your Router0 make sure your virtual
> servers (in this case routers) are setup correctly
>
> "Router1": application name, Public port: 80, Protocol: TCP, Schedule:
> always, IP Address: 192.168.2.1 (or 192.169.1.2) computer name, Private
> port: 80, Protocol: 6, Inbound Filter: allow all.
>
> "Router2": application name, Public port: 80, Protocol: TCP, Schedule:
> always, IP Address: 192.168.3.1 (or 192.169.1.3) computer name, Private
> port: 80, Protocol: 6, Inbound Filter: allow all.
>
> ...and so on. There would have to be other ports open if there is a gamer in
> the family or you are using RDP, Oracle, MS SQL, remote networking etc.
>
> If you are still having issues send me some pictures from your Router0 base
> setup page and the configuration of your virtual page, where all you other
> routers have to be managed as if they are computers.
>
> HTH
> Jim
>
> PS Please do send those pictures when you get a chance.
>   

From garykjos at gmail.com  Tue Apr 19 10:31:31 2011
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 10:31:31 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] New router network puzzle
In-Reply-To: <4DADA0C1.4080807@torchlake.com>
References: <4DA90BC0.5000508@torchlake.com>
	<04007F39680943789317263EE1C8237F@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<4DAACCB3.3050600@torchla> <ke.com@prod.shaw.ca>
	<F01E017737204D8E97E4D99155EDFDAB@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<4DAB41BC.50206@torchlake.com> <4DAB92B0.8040102@torchlake.com>
	<E15FEE88A5F642F1B82382D91D7325A9@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<4DADA0C1.4080807@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <BANLkTikJF_ghUrqCjvh5ZwbdrknCLjSWGw@mail.gmail.com>

What happens if you turn off the other two routers. Perhaps then it
would let you assign the SSID you want in router 0 ?  Secondly, there
is a feature/setting in some routers that turns on or off SSID
broadcasting. Perhaps if that were able to be turned off in the other
two routers?

I'd try to turn off the other two and then set the SSID in the new one
and then turn the other two back on and cross your fingers.

GK

On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 9:48 AM, Tina Norris Fields
<tinanfields at torchlake.com> wrote:
> Hello Jim,
>
> Yes, everything is working, in terms of access to the internet. ?Thank you
> for continuing the lesson in networking. ?Your explanation has given me
> another AHA! moment.
> So, each router as now configured is, indeed, part of a separate grouping -
> and I see how the IP addressing works to group them. ?Thanks.
>
> When my home-office configuration was established by the tech from my ISP,
> in addition to the IP addresses, each router was made part of the same SSID.
> ?The new router 0 does not want to accept the SSID name from the existing
> "network." ?So, if my laptop is in the range of that new router - which at
> this point has an SSID name of NETGEAR - it cannot print on my HP 6500
> wireless printer, because at that point the laptop and the printer are on
> different networks. ?If I could persuade the new router to accept being part
> of the SSID that the other two routers are in, then that issue would
> disappear.
>
> For virtually all the other computers, there no longer is an issue. ?They do
> not move around and they will not ever be grabbing the NETGEAR SSID. ?But, I
> move about with my laptop computer, and for my computer, this is an issue.
>
> This question does occur to me: ?would it make sense to configure the
> routers 1 and 2 with new IP addresses that are part of the router 0
> grouping? ?If I did that, and presumably released and renewed IP addresses
> for all the components that connect to those routers, would the entire SSID
> then become NETGEAR? ?Would I then be able to change the SSID name back to
> my chosen one? ?I would really like to have everyone in the same SSID.
>
> Thank you very much for the setup details for routers 1 and 2. ?They look to
> be what I recall, though I will double check.
>
> Truly, I appreciate what you are teaching me. ?I have needed to learn this
> stuff for a while, now, and I've not made the time to do so.
>
> Best,
> T
> P.S. I'm updating my "to do" list to include posting pictures of last winter
> - although spring doesn't quite appear to have arrived, yet!!! :-)
>
> Jim Lawrence wrote:
>>
>> Can I assume everything is working as it should?
>> First of all, the way the ports for each router is setup states that each
>> is
>> on a different segment or workgroup.
>>
>> Given: router0 is 192.168.1.1 and router1 is 192.168.3.1 etc., each is
>> basically an unrelated network. To be inter-related, their number sequence
>> would be something like 192.168.1.1, 192.168.1.2, 192.168.1.3,...
>> ?If not the only other possible blockage is ports. Most routers come with
>> all
>> ports blocked but for port 80 and sometime port 25. On the new router make
>> sure at least port 80 is open and only open other ports as necessary.
>> Make sure the gateway address to your ISP is setup on you new router0 as
>> it
>> is the main pass-through firewall. In your Router0 make sure your virtual
>> servers (in this case routers) are setup correctly
>>
>> "Router1": application name, Public port: 80, Protocol: TCP, Schedule:
>> always, IP Address: 192.168.2.1 (or 192.169.1.2) computer name, Private
>> port: 80, Protocol: 6, Inbound Filter: allow all.
>>
>> "Router2": application name, Public port: 80, Protocol: TCP, Schedule:
>> always, IP Address: 192.168.3.1 (or 192.169.1.3) computer name, Private
>> port: 80, Protocol: 6, Inbound Filter: allow all.
>>
>> ...and so on. There would have to be other ports open if there is a gamer
>> in
>> the family or you are using RDP, Oracle, MS SQL, remote networking etc.
>>
>> If you are still having issues send me some pictures from your Router0
>> base
>> setup page and the configuration of your virtual page, where all you other
>> routers have to be managed as if they are computers.
>>
>> HTH
>> Jim
>>
>> PS Please do send those pictures when you get a chance.
>>
>
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>



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From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Tue Apr 19 11:11:44 2011
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 12:11:44 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] New router network puzzle
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTikJF_ghUrqCjvh5ZwbdrknCLjSWGw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4DA90BC0.5000508@torchlake.com><04007F39680943789317263EE1C8237F@creativesystemdesigns.com><4DAACCB3.3050600@torchla>
	<ke.com@prod.shaw.ca><F01E017737204D8E97E4D99155EDFDAB@creativesystemdesigns.com><4DAB41BC.50206@torchlake.com>
	<4DAB92B0.8040102@torchlake.com><E15FEE88A5F642F1B82382D91D7325A9@creativesystemdesigns.com><4DADA0C1.4080807@torchlake.com>
	<BANLkTikJF_ghUrqCjvh5ZwbdrknCLjSWGw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4DADB440.7050009@torchlake.com>

Hello Gary,
Now that's a thought.  I recognize the truth of what you say, that 
broadcasting can be turned on and off.  I do not have any experience in 
doing so.  I will look into the details in my router 2 - the one in my 
office, and easiest for me to investigate.  Thank you for that thought.
I have the fond hope that I will soon know what I am doing with these 
network issues.  So much to know, so little spare time to learn it all in!!!
T

Gary Kjos wrote:
> What happens if you turn off the other two routers. Perhaps then it
> would let you assign the SSID you want in router 0 ?  Secondly, there
> is a feature/setting in some routers that turns on or off SSID
> broadcasting. Perhaps if that were able to be turned off in the other
> two routers?
>
> I'd try to turn off the other two and then set the SSID in the new one
> and then turn the other two back on and cross your fingers.
>
> GK
>
> On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 9:48 AM, Tina Norris Fields
> <tinanfields at torchlake.com> wrote:
>   
>> Hello Jim,
>>
>> Yes, everything is working, in terms of access to the internet.  Thank you
>> for continuing the lesson in networking.  Your explanation has given me
>> another AHA! moment.
>> So, each router as now configured is, indeed, part of a separate grouping -
>> and I see how the IP addressing works to group them.  Thanks.
>>
>> When my home-office configuration was established by the tech from my ISP,
>> in addition to the IP addresses, each router was made part of the same SSID.
>>  The new router 0 does not want to accept the SSID name from the existing
>> "network."  So, if my laptop is in the range of that new router - which at
>> this point has an SSID name of NETGEAR - it cannot print on my HP 6500
>> wireless printer, because at that point the laptop and the printer are on
>> different networks.  If I could persuade the new router to accept being part
>> of the SSID that the other two routers are in, then that issue would
>> disappear.
>>
>> For virtually all the other computers, there no longer is an issue.  They do
>> not move around and they will not ever be grabbing the NETGEAR SSID.  But, I
>> move about with my laptop computer, and for my computer, this is an issue.
>>
>> This question does occur to me:  would it make sense to configure the
>> routers 1 and 2 with new IP addresses that are part of the router 0
>> grouping?  If I did that, and presumably released and renewed IP addresses
>> for all the components that connect to those routers, would the entire SSID
>> then become NETGEAR?  Would I then be able to change the SSID name back to
>> my chosen one?  I would really like to have everyone in the same SSID.
>>
>> Thank you very much for the setup details for routers 1 and 2.  They look to
>> be what I recall, though I will double check.
>>
>> Truly, I appreciate what you are teaching me.  I have needed to learn this
>> stuff for a while, now, and I've not made the time to do so.
>>
>> Best,
>> T
>> P.S. I'm updating my "to do" list to include posting pictures of last winter
>> - although spring doesn't quite appear to have arrived, yet!!! :-)
>>
>> Jim Lawrence wrote:
>>     
>>> Can I assume everything is working as it should?
>>> First of all, the way the ports for each router is setup states that each
>>> is
>>> on a different segment or workgroup.
>>>
>>> Given: router0 is 192.168.1.1 and router1 is 192.168.3.1 etc., each is
>>> basically an unrelated network. To be inter-related, their number sequence
>>> would be something like 192.168.1.1, 192.168.1.2, 192.168.1.3,...
>>>  If not the only other possible blockage is ports. Most routers come with
>>> all
>>> ports blocked but for port 80 and sometime port 25. On the new router make
>>> sure at least port 80 is open and only open other ports as necessary.
>>> Make sure the gateway address to your ISP is setup on you new router0 as
>>> it
>>> is the main pass-through firewall. In your Router0 make sure your virtual
>>> servers (in this case routers) are setup correctly
>>>
>>> "Router1": application name, Public port: 80, Protocol: TCP, Schedule:
>>> always, IP Address: 192.168.2.1 (or 192.169.1.2) computer name, Private
>>> port: 80, Protocol: 6, Inbound Filter: allow all.
>>>
>>> "Router2": application name, Public port: 80, Protocol: TCP, Schedule:
>>> always, IP Address: 192.168.3.1 (or 192.169.1.3) computer name, Private
>>> port: 80, Protocol: 6, Inbound Filter: allow all.
>>>
>>> ...and so on. There would have to be other ports open if there is a gamer
>>> in
>>> the family or you are using RDP, Oracle, MS SQL, remote networking etc.
>>>
>>> If you are still having issues send me some pictures from your Router0
>>> base
>>> setup page and the configuration of your virtual page, where all you other
>>> routers have to be managed as if they are computers.
>>>
>>> HTH
>>> Jim
>>>
>>> PS Please do send those pictures when you get a chance.
>>>
>>>       
>> _______________________________________________
>> dba-Tech mailing list
>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>>     
>
>
>
>   

From garykjos at gmail.com  Tue Apr 19 11:35:36 2011
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 11:35:36 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] New router network puzzle
In-Reply-To: <4DADB440.7050009@torchlake.com>
References: <4DA90BC0.5000508@torchlake.com>
	<04007F39680943789317263EE1C8237F@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<4DAACCB3.3050600@torchla> <ke.com@prod.shaw.ca>
	<F01E017737204D8E97E4D99155EDFDAB@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<4DAB41BC.50206@torchlake.com> <4DAB92B0.8040102@torchlake.com>
	<E15FEE88A5F642F1B82382D91D7325A9@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<4DADA0C1.4080807@torchlake.com>
	<BANLkTikJF_ghUrqCjvh5ZwbdrknCLjSWGw@mail.gmail.com>
	<4DADB440.7050009@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <BANLkTimgFuYAykcSxvzh0K5SW-j3aMvBuw@mail.gmail.com>

I think the idea with turning off the broadcasting is that it provides
some little bit of additional security since a computer needs to know
what the SSID is before it can join up and so if you are sitting there
broadcasting it you are telling everyone what it is instead of waiting
for them to use the right SSID to connect to you. I know I have it
turned off on my own router. But my network is way simpler than what
you have. Only one router plus one eight port gigabit switch. All the
wired connection computers are plugged into the switch so they can
talk at full speed. The switch is plugged into the router which is
doing all the magic of keeping in proper order.

Good luck getting it back to working exactly the way you want it.
Perseverance will pay off eventually.

GK

On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 11:11 AM, Tina Norris Fields
<tinanfields at torchlake.com> wrote:
> Hello Gary,
> Now that's a thought. ?I recognize the truth of what you say, that
> broadcasting can be turned on and off. ?I do not have any experience in
> doing so. ?I will look into the details in my router 2 - the one in my
> office, and easiest for me to investigate. ?Thank you for that thought.
> I have the fond hope that I will soon know what I am doing with these
> network issues. ?So much to know, so little spare time to learn it all in!!!
> T
>
> Gary Kjos wrote:
>>
>> What happens if you turn off the other two routers. Perhaps then it
>> would let you assign the SSID you want in router 0 ? ?Secondly, there
>> is a feature/setting in some routers that turns on or off SSID
>> broadcasting. Perhaps if that were able to be turned off in the other
>> two routers?
>>
>> I'd try to turn off the other two and then set the SSID in the new one
>> and then turn the other two back on and cross your fingers.
>>
>> GK
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 9:48 AM, Tina Norris Fields
>> <tinanfields at torchlake.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Hello Jim,
>>>
>>> Yes, everything is working, in terms of access to the internet. ?Thank
>>> you
>>> for continuing the lesson in networking. ?Your explanation has given me
>>> another AHA! moment.
>>> So, each router as now configured is, indeed, part of a separate grouping
>>> -
>>> and I see how the IP addressing works to group them. ?Thanks.
>>>
>>> When my home-office configuration was established by the tech from my
>>> ISP,
>>> in addition to the IP addresses, each router was made part of the same
>>> SSID.
>>> ?The new router 0 does not want to accept the SSID name from the existing
>>> "network." ?So, if my laptop is in the range of that new router - which
>>> at
>>> this point has an SSID name of NETGEAR - it cannot print on my HP 6500
>>> wireless printer, because at that point the laptop and the printer are on
>>> different networks. ?If I could persuade the new router to accept being
>>> part
>>> of the SSID that the other two routers are in, then that issue would
>>> disappear.
>>>
>>> For virtually all the other computers, there no longer is an issue. ?They
>>> do
>>> not move around and they will not ever be grabbing the NETGEAR SSID.
>>> ?But, I
>>> move about with my laptop computer, and for my computer, this is an
>>> issue.
>>>
>>> This question does occur to me: ?would it make sense to configure the
>>> routers 1 and 2 with new IP addresses that are part of the router 0
>>> grouping? ?If I did that, and presumably released and renewed IP
>>> addresses
>>> for all the components that connect to those routers, would the entire
>>> SSID
>>> then become NETGEAR? ?Would I then be able to change the SSID name back
>>> to
>>> my chosen one? ?I would really like to have everyone in the same SSID.
>>>
>>> Thank you very much for the setup details for routers 1 and 2. ?They look
>>> to
>>> be what I recall, though I will double check.
>>>
>>> Truly, I appreciate what you are teaching me. ?I have needed to learn
>>> this
>>> stuff for a while, now, and I've not made the time to do so.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> T
>>> P.S. I'm updating my "to do" list to include posting pictures of last
>>> winter
>>> - although spring doesn't quite appear to have arrived, yet!!! :-)
>>>
>>> Jim Lawrence wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Can I assume everything is working as it should?
>>>> First of all, the way the ports for each router is setup states that
>>>> each
>>>> is
>>>> on a different segment or workgroup.
>>>>
>>>> Given: router0 is 192.168.1.1 and router1 is 192.168.3.1 etc., each is
>>>> basically an unrelated network. To be inter-related, their number
>>>> sequence
>>>> would be something like 192.168.1.1, 192.168.1.2, 192.168.1.3,...
>>>> ?If not the only other possible blockage is ports. Most routers come
>>>> with
>>>> all
>>>> ports blocked but for port 80 and sometime port 25. On the new router
>>>> make
>>>> sure at least port 80 is open and only open other ports as necessary.
>>>> Make sure the gateway address to your ISP is setup on you new router0 as
>>>> it
>>>> is the main pass-through firewall. In your Router0 make sure your
>>>> virtual
>>>> servers (in this case routers) are setup correctly
>>>>
>>>> "Router1": application name, Public port: 80, Protocol: TCP, Schedule:
>>>> always, IP Address: 192.168.2.1 (or 192.169.1.2) computer name, Private
>>>> port: 80, Protocol: 6, Inbound Filter: allow all.
>>>>
>>>> "Router2": application name, Public port: 80, Protocol: TCP, Schedule:
>>>> always, IP Address: 192.168.3.1 (or 192.169.1.3) computer name, Private
>>>> port: 80, Protocol: 6, Inbound Filter: allow all.
>>>>
>>>> ...and so on. There would have to be other ports open if there is a
>>>> gamer
>>>> in
>>>> the family or you are using RDP, Oracle, MS SQL, remote networking etc.
>>>>
>>>> If you are still having issues send me some pictures from your Router0
>>>> base
>>>> setup page and the configuration of your virtual page, where all you
>>>> other
>>>> routers have to be managed as if they are computers.
>>>>
>>>> HTH
>>>> Jim
>>>>
>>>> PS Please do send those pictures when you get a chance.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> dba-Tech mailing list
>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
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>



-- 
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garykjos at gmail.com


From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Apr 21 14:34:39 2011
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2011 12:34:39 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Apple
In-Reply-To: <4DADA0C1.4080807@torchlake.com>
References: <4DA90BC0.5000508@torchlake.com>
	<04007F39680943789317263EE1C8237F@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<4DAACCB3.3050600@torchla> <ke.com@prod.shaw.ca>
	<F01E017737204D8E97E4D99155EDFDAB@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<4DAB41BC.50206@torchlake.com> <"C40304AD045C46F
	1ACE44A90AB2A4285"@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<4DAB92B0.8040102@torchlake.com>
	<E15FEE88A5F642F1B82382D91D7325A9@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<4DADA0C1.4080807@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <EF7AC8CC7EF0430A927541A1C9DD5D09@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Don't we wish we had the fore-sight to have bought Apple stock 10 years ago:

http://pulsene.ws/1n999

Jim


From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu Apr 21 15:41:18 2011
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2011 06:41:18 +1000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Cloud computing
In-Reply-To: <EF7AC8CC7EF0430A927541A1C9DD5D09@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <4DA90BC0.5000508@torchlake.com>, <4DADA0C1.4080807@torchlake.com>,
	<EF7AC8CC7EF0430A927541A1C9DD5D09@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <4DB0966E.14896.2881A68F@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/04/21/amazon_cloud_probs/

Remember this the next time someone suggests moving core business data to the Cloud.




From gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Apr 21 16:53:47 2011
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2011 23:53:47 +0200
Subject: [dba-Tech] Switch a Windows XP Home into an XP Professional
Message-ID: <sdb0c3aa.037@cactus.dk>

Hi all

We are moving into Active Directory. Thus, a couple of Windows XP Home machines had to be upgraded to XP Professional to be able to join the domain.
Facing this non-productive workload, I recalled that an XP Pro version is nothing more than a non-crippled XP Home version.
And it is. For those of you not aware of this, here is explained how to make the switch in minutes and with zero reinstall of apps etc.:

http://www.codingforums.com/archive/index.php/t-34191.html 
<quote>
This will let you join a computer to a Domain.
You may not be able to get anymore security updates after making this change.

To convert and upgrade Windows XP Home to Windows XP Professional, follow procedure below.

1.Open Registry Editor (regedit).
2.Navigate to HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE/SYSTEM/ControlSet00X/Control/ProductOptions, where ControlSet00X is the one with the highest number.

3.Delete the ProductSuite registry key.
4.Then, create a new DWORD value and named it as Brand.
5.Set the "Brand" value data as 0.

6.Reboot the system.
7.On boot up after the BIOS screen, press F8 to display Windows XP Startup Menu.
8.Choose Last Known Good Configuration (LNG) and hit Enter.

Windows XP will start up as usual. 
After logging into the desktop, check the system properties to verify that it's now Windows XP Professional.
</quote>

Of course, you will have to supply a valid XP Professional product key. If you don't, XP will run, but the Windows "Genuine Advantage" Update will be haunting you and Windows Update may cease to operate. However, having the key, this is easy - there even exists a video showing how to perform this task:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPmI1oFUrg4

/gustav



From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Apr 21 21:46:23 2011
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2011 19:46:23 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Cloud computing
In-Reply-To: <4DB0966E.14896.2881A68F@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <4DA90BC0.5000508@torchlake.com> <4DADA0C1.4080807@torchlake.com>
	<EF7AC8CC7EF0430A927541A1C9DD5D09@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<4DB0966E.14896.2881A68F@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <429D21A63BFF4764B1D41682AE712EA9@creativesystemdesigns.com>

When it comes to computers always wear suspenders and a belt. Things always
crash when the work load is highest...that is a simple rule of nature.
Always backup and then always check your backups as they may not want to
restore.

The Cloud is an evolving technolgy and as being that, it will take a while
before it stablizes. With the Amazon issue I suspect human involvement but
whether that comes out or not will be interesting to hear. ;-)

Jim



-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2011 1:41 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] Cloud computing

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/04/21/amazon_cloud_probs/

Remember this the next time someone suggests moving core business data to
the Cloud.



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From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Apr 21 21:50:13 2011
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2011 19:50:13 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Switch a Windows XP Home into an XP Professional
In-Reply-To: <sdb0c3aa.037@cactus.dk>
References: <sdb0c3aa.037@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <544B6206451E4AE2B34C642B5A16E8F0@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Thanks for the technical explaination, Gustav. 

Did it once a while back, when trying to make an XP box into a web server
(it worked) but now it is great to have the real docs at my finger-tips. 

This entry will be tagged and saved.

Jim



-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2011 2:54 PM
To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [dba-Tech] Switch a Windows XP Home into an XP Professional

Hi all

We are moving into Active Directory. Thus, a couple of Windows XP Home
machines had to be upgraded to XP Professional to be able to join the
domain.
Facing this non-productive workload, I recalled that an XP Pro version is
nothing more than a non-crippled XP Home version.
And it is. For those of you not aware of this, here is explained how to make
the switch in minutes and with zero reinstall of apps etc.:

http://www.codingforums.com/archive/index.php/t-34191.html 
<quote>
This will let you join a computer to a Domain.
You may not be able to get anymore security updates after making this
change.

To convert and upgrade Windows XP Home to Windows XP Professional, follow
procedure below.

1.Open Registry Editor (regedit).
2.Navigate to
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE/SYSTEM/ControlSet00X/Control/ProductOptions, where
ControlSet00X is the one with the highest number.

3.Delete the ProductSuite registry key.
4.Then, create a new DWORD value and named it as Brand.
5.Set the "Brand" value data as 0.

6.Reboot the system.
7.On boot up after the BIOS screen, press F8 to display Windows XP Startup
Menu.
8.Choose Last Known Good Configuration (LNG) and hit Enter.

Windows XP will start up as usual. 
After logging into the desktop, check the system properties to verify that
it's now Windows XP Professional.
</quote>

Of course, you will have to supply a valid XP Professional product key. If
you don't, XP will run, but the Windows "Genuine Advantage" Update will be
haunting you and Windows Update may cease to operate. However, having the
key, this is easy - there even exists a video showing how to perform this
task:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPmI1oFUrg4

/gustav


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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sat Apr 23 10:39:58 2011
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2011 08:39:58 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] The new Super Power server
In-Reply-To: <429D21A63BFF4764B1D41682AE712EA9@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <4DA90BC0.5000508@torchlake.com> <4DADA0C1.4080807@torchlake.com>
	<EF7AC8CC7EF0430A927541A1C9DD5D09@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<4DB0966E.14896.2881A68F@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<429D21A63BFF4764B1D41682AE712EA9@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <35F6ACB7A3C54033946551E3B6580C6D@creativesystemdesigns.com>

For all you boys and girls who want the best in server software you have to
look no further than Ubuntu 11.04. Its features matches or surpasses most
server software on the market but the initial cost are, well free.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/04/21/ubuntu_server_11_04/

But if after you have installed your big hulking server or server farm and
now have worked yourself into a corner there is help.

A standard support contract with 9x5 business-hour support costs $700 per
server per year, while an advanced contract covering 24x7 over a year costs
$1,200. The essential contract, which is the barebones support deal from
Canonical that gives you access to the knowledge base and handholding for
installation of Ubuntu Server and basic applications such as Web, print, and
file serving, costs $320 per year.

Considering that Microsoft's single assistance incident is $365, it is a
real deal.

So if you are setting up a client's new server why not just add the cost of
a year support contract on top ($100 a month per server) and build and
charge everything from there?

Jim


From accessd at shaw.ca  Sat Apr 23 11:06:51 2011
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2011 09:06:51 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] 3D sound to go with 3D video
In-Reply-To: <35F6ACB7A3C54033946551E3B6580C6D@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <4DA90BC0.5000508@torchlake.com> <4DADA0C1.4080807@torchlake.com>
	<EF7AC8CC7EF0430A927541A1C9DD5D09@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<4DB0966E.14896.2881A68F@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<429D21A63BFF4764B1D41682AE712EA9@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<35F6ACB7A3C54033946551E3B6580C6D@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <D880E1A95D5649CDB6ADEACDE65B17C4@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Someone emailed me this link and it is quite incredible. It requires no
special equipment just a properly recorded sound. Hard to believe? Well,
check the following YouTube video out:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQmQD27uCt0

Jim

PS a good set of speakers and a quiet office would be a plus.


From df.waters at comcast.net  Sat Apr 23 16:59:07 2011
From: df.waters at comcast.net (Dan Waters)
Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2011 16:59:07 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] 3D sound to go with 3D video
In-Reply-To: <D880E1A95D5649CDB6ADEACDE65B17C4@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <4DA90BC0.5000508@torchlake.com>
	<4DADA0C1.4080807@torchlake.com>	<EF7AC8CC7EF0430A927541A1C9DD5D09@creativesystemdesigns.com>	<4DB0966E.14896.2881A68F@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>	<429D21A63BFF4764B1D41682AE712EA9@creativesystemdesigns.com>	<35F6ACB7A3C54033946551E3B6580C6D@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<D880E1A95D5649CDB6ADEACDE65B17C4@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <001501cc0201$ab8cdc60$02a69520$@comcast.net>

Wonderful!  I'm ready to hear Aerosmith and Credence!

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2011 11:07 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: [dba-Tech] 3D sound to go with 3D video

Someone emailed me this link and it is quite incredible. It requires no
special equipment just a properly recorded sound. Hard to believe? Well,
check the following YouTube video out:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQmQD27uCt0

Jim

PS a good set of speakers and a quiet office would be a plus.

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From jon at tydda.plus.com  Sat Apr 23 17:32:30 2011
From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda)
Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2011 23:32:30 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] 3D sound to go with 3D video
In-Reply-To: <001501cc0201$ab8cdc60$02a69520$@comcast.net>
References: <4DA90BC0.5000508@torchlake.com><4DADA0C1.4080807@torchlake.com>	<EF7AC8CC7EF0430A927541A1C9DD5D09@creativesystemdesigns.com>	<4DB0966E.14896.2881A68F@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>	<429D21A63BFF4764B1D41682AE712EA9@creativesystemdesigns.com>	<35F6ACB7A3C54033946551E3B6580C6D@creativesystemdesigns.com><D880E1A95D5649CDB6ADEACDE65B17C4@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<001501cc0201$ab8cdc60$02a69520$@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <8624D85CB834471399FA4C9B8AEAC94C@jt2c>

I'm waiting for the next re-re-release of Star Wars, where you can hear the
TIE Fighters going around behind you... 


Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: 23 April 2011 22:59
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] 3D sound to go with 3D video

Wonderful!  I'm ready to hear Aerosmith and Credence!

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2011 11:07 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: [dba-Tech] 3D sound to go with 3D video

Someone emailed me this link and it is quite incredible. It requires no
special equipment just a properly recorded sound. Hard to believe? Well,
check the following YouTube video out:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQmQD27uCt0

Jim

PS a good set of speakers and a quiet office would be a plus.

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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sat Apr 23 18:07:02 2011
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2011 09:07:02 +1000
Subject: [dba-Tech] 3D sound to go with 3D video
In-Reply-To: <8624D85CB834471399FA4C9B8AEAC94C@jt2c>
References: <4DA90BC0.5000508@torchlake.com>,
	<001501cc0201$ab8cdc60$02a69520$@comcast.net>,
	<8624D85CB834471399FA4C9B8AEAC94C@jt2c>
Message-ID: <4DB35B96.11713.3353CB66@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

In space, where no-one can hear you scream :-)

-- 
Stuart

On 23 Apr 2011 at 23:32, Jon Tydda wrote:

> I'm waiting for the next re-re-release of Star Wars, where you can
> hear the TIE Fighters going around behind you... 
> 
> 
> Jon
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
> Sent: 23 April 2011 22:59 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software
> issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] 3D sound to go with 3D video
> 
> Wonderful!  I'm ready to hear Aerosmith and Credence!
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim
> Lawrence Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2011 11:07 AM To: 'Discussion of
> Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] 3D sound to go with
> 3D video
> 
> Someone emailed me this link and it is quite incredible. It requires
> no special equipment just a properly recorded sound. Hard to believe?
> Well, check the following YouTube video out:
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQmQD27uCt0
> 
> Jim
> 
> PS a good set of speakers and a quiet office would be a plus.
> 
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sun Apr 24 10:28:12 2011
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2011 08:28:12 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Become a Planet Hunter
In-Reply-To: <4DB35B96.11713.3353CB66@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <4DA90BC0.5000508@torchlake.com>
	<001501cc0201$ab8cdc60$02a69520$@comcast.net>
	<8624D85CB834471399FA4C9B8AEAC94C@jt2c>
	<4DB35B96.11713.3353CB66@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <96966E1D94FE4A19817C106DA5741C3F@creativesystemdesigns.com>

You too can become a planet hunter.

http://www.planethunters.org/science

Jim


From ssharkins at gmail.com  Sun Apr 24 13:16:24 2011
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2011 14:16:24 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Word question
Message-ID: <A619D0AD68E54D14B937732BE77F16B1@SusanHarkins>

Word's StyleRef field returns the first and last occurrence of a specific style on the current page, if used in the header/footer. I'm using it with a table and it works find for finding the first item in the table, but not the last. The table is the only thing on the page. If I remove the table, the StyleRef with \L switch works fine. Any clue what the problem is? 

Susan H. 

From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Mon Apr 25 11:08:25 2011
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 12:08:25 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Word question
In-Reply-To: <A619D0AD68E54D14B937732BE77F16B1@SusanHarkins>
References: <A619D0AD68E54D14B937732BE77F16B1@SusanHarkins>
Message-ID: <4DB59C79.5090505@torchlake.com>

Hi Susan,
That's the same trick I use in our zoning ordinance, to get the first 
and last sections on the page listed in the header.  I'm sending you, 
off-list, a document with tables and styles, culled from my zoning 
ordinance.  I did discover that there are some quirks that can make one 
of the fields not register properly.  I haven't sorted out exactly what 
the quirk is, but I'm pretty sure at this point that it is an issue 
separate from the existence of tables.
T

Susan Harkins wrote:
> Word's StyleRef field returns the first and last occurrence of a specific style on the current page, if used in the header/footer. I'm using it with a table and it works find for finding the first item in the table, but not the last. The table is the only thing on the page. If I remove the table, the StyleRef with \L switch works fine. Any clue what the problem is? 
>
> Susan H. 
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>   

From ssharkins at gmail.com  Mon Apr 25 11:22:04 2011
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 12:22:04 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Word question
References: <A619D0AD68E54D14B937732BE77F16B1@SusanHarkins>
	<4DB59C79.5090505@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <A4E6323D4B8B4D70BD375BDF7FC9BF55@SusanHarkins>

Never did figure it out Tina. If I delete the table, the field works. With 
it, nothing. What little I found online, blamed it on the end of row 
markers, which would also explain why the fields display the data from only 
the first cell, when in table format, but display the entire row when you 
remove the table.

Susan H.


> Hi Susan,
> That's the same trick I use in our zoning ordinance, to get the first and 
> last sections on the page listed in the header.  I'm sending you, 
> off-list, a document with tables and styles, culled from my zoning 
> ordinance.  I did discover that there are some quirks that can make one of 
> the fields not register properly.  I haven't sorted out exactly what the 
> quirk is, but I'm pretty sure at this point that it is an issue separate 
> from the existence of tables.
> T
>
> Susan Harkins wrote:
>> Word's StyleRef field returns the first and last occurrence of a specific 
>> style on the current page, if used in the header/footer. I'm using it 
>> with a table and it works find for finding the first item in the table, 
>> but not the last. The table is the only thing on the page. If I remove 
>> the table, the StyleRef with \L switch works fine. Any clue what the 
>> problem is?
>> Susan H. _______________________________________________
>> dba-Tech mailing list
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>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
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From erbachs at gmail.com  Wed Apr 27 17:37:27 2011
From: erbachs at gmail.com (Steve Erbach)
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2011 17:37:27 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] VPN and Remote Desktop and Terminal Server
Message-ID: <BANLkTinYzm_voJfbjRBDteiXPLk4Y8XUYQ@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Group,

I'm in a bit of a bind due to something stupid I did at a client's
site yesterday and I wonder if you can help me.

Because I reset the cable modem yesterday to attempt to reset the
security code (since my client had, apparently, lost it) I also did
something to the ability to dial in via VPN and Remote Desktop to the
Terminal Server on the LAN.

The former network consultant (now very likely in jail for various
mopery and dopery) did not leave a trail of what he did in a number of
areas on the LAN.  I'm now the de facto network admin for this Windows
Server 2003 Enterprise Edition server.

The consultant had used DynDNS.org to set up a free DNS account to
connect to the company VPN.  When the modem was reset (Gosh!  Who did
that?) the IP address was reset, too.  Since I don't know the login or
password for the DynDNS.org account, I couldn't simply change it
there...so I set up another DNS account using my own DynDNS account.
I picked a domain name for the new IP address and *I can ping it
OK*...but I can't connect to the company VPN.

For whatever reason, our own cable modem at home acquired a new IP
address, too, at about this same time...so I'm wondering if the
company VPN is disallowing connections from a "foreign" IP address.

So my FIRST QUESTION is, where do I look in Windows Server 2003 to
determine if there are only certain IP addresses that are allowed to
dial in via Remote Desktop?

I talked with the cable company about another possibility: that maybe
the modem/router itself was blocking access to port 3389 (the Remote
Desktop port) since I bone-headedly reset the darned thing.  The tech
support guy said that their equipment doesn't block ANY Internet
ports.  I thought this odd since our own little D-Link router here at
home blocks everything by default UNLESS you tell it otherwise.
That's what I've done to allow us to Remote Desktop into our own PCs.

So my SECOND QUESTION is, was the cable support guy perhaps not giving
me the straight scoop about the modem/router's being open to
everything?

One other thing.  The IPCONFIG /all report on the server used to show
that the Default Gateway was some IP address like 67.43.something.
Now the Default Gateway shows 192.168.something...a local address.

So my THIRD QUESTION is, might that big change in Default Gateway IP
address be contributing to our problems resetting the Remote Desktop
capability?

Sorry for all the questions, but I only have a fairly mediocre
knowledge of IP networking.  Enough to be a danger to myself and
others (like, by resetting modems and stuff)...but not enough to solve
problems like these.

Thank you all.

Regards,

Steve Erbach
Neenah, WI

From erbachs at gmail.com  Wed Apr 27 17:39:21 2011
From: erbachs at gmail.com (Steve Erbach)
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2011 17:39:21 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] The new Super Power server
In-Reply-To: <35F6ACB7A3C54033946551E3B6580C6D@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <4DA90BC0.5000508@torchlake.com> <4DADA0C1.4080807@torchlake.com>
	<EF7AC8CC7EF0430A927541A1C9DD5D09@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<4DB0966E.14896.2881A68F@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<429D21A63BFF4764B1D41682AE712EA9@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<35F6ACB7A3C54033946551E3B6580C6D@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <BANLkTi=DjJ-7AyoXoFK9bjbeHmn625eJhQ@mail.gmail.com>

Jim,

I definitely would if I were a Linux guy.  Got my hands full trying to
be a Windows Server guy.

Steve Erbach
Neenah, WI

On Sat, Apr 23, 2011 at 10:39 AM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
> For all you boys and girls who want the best in server software you have to
> look no further than Ubuntu 11.04. Its features matches or surpasses most
> server software on the market but the initial cost are, well free.
>
> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/04/21/ubuntu_server_11_04/
>
> But if after you have installed your big hulking server or server farm and
> now have worked yourself into a corner there is help.
>
> A standard support contract with 9x5 business-hour support costs $700 per
> server per year, while an advanced contract covering 24x7 over a year costs
> $1,200. The essential contract, which is the barebones support deal from
> Canonical that gives you access to the knowledge base and handholding for
> installation of Ubuntu Server and basic applications such as Web, print, and
> file serving, costs $320 per year.
>
> Considering that Microsoft's single assistance incident is $365, it is a
> real deal.
>
> So if you are setting up a client's new server why not just add the cost of
> a year support contract on top ($100 a month per server) and build and
> charge everything from there?
>
> Jim
>

From erbachs at gmail.com  Wed Apr 27 17:50:30 2011
From: erbachs at gmail.com (Steve Erbach)
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2011 17:50:30 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] RAID 5 repair
Message-ID: <BANLkTikf69uZmZL-Fe8TQtMhbUHYH9nnqA@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Group,

My client that I'm having trouble with the VPN/Remote Desktop also has
a dead RAID 5 drive.  It's a four drive array and the three remaining
drives are doing what they're supposed to be doing.  I've given drive
replacement info to my client (the drives are CHEAP) but he hasn't
bought any yet.

My question is (besides how do I slap some sense into his thick
head!): is there any preparation I need to do with the drive before I
slot it in and allow the RAID controller to re-synch the drive array?
That is, format it or something?  Or does the RAID controller take
care of that after I've installed the new drive?

It's an HP server that's about 4-5 years old using drives like the following:

COMPAQ BF03664664
(http://www.serversupply.com/HARD%20DRIVES%20W-TRAY/ULTRA160-SCSI/36GB-15000RPM/HP-COMPAQ/BF03664664.htm)

Any thoughts or advice? Thanks.

Regards,

Steve Erbach
Neenah, WI

From jason at purplecone.com  Wed Apr 27 19:58:52 2011
From: jason at purplecone.com (Jason Strickland)
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2011 20:58:52 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] RAID 5 repair
Message-ID: <3ftvqeb46koykyx540xdmq15.1303952332627@email.android.com>

We have some of those drives too. Just swap it out and let the server take care of it.

Steve Erbach <erbachs at gmail.com> wrote:

>Dear Group,
>
>My client that I'm having trouble with the VPN/Remote Desktop also has
>a dead RAID 5 drive.  It's a four drive array and the three remaining
>drives are doing what they're supposed to be doing.  I've given drive
>replacement info to my client (the drives are CHEAP) but he hasn't
>bought any yet.
>
>My question is (besides how do I slap some sense into his thick
>head!): is there any preparation I need to do with the drive before I
>slot it in and allow the RAID controller to re-synch the drive array?
>That is, format it or something?  Or does the RAID controller take
>care of that after I've installed the new drive?
>
>It's an HP server that's about 4-5 years old using drives like the following:
>
>COMPAQ BF03664664
>(http://www.serversupply.com/HARD%20DRIVES%20W-TRAY/ULTRA160-SCSI/36GB-15000RPM/HP-COMPAQ/BF03664664.htm)
>
>Any thoughts or advice? Thanks.
>
>Regards,
>
>Steve Erbach
>Neenah, WI
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Apr 27 20:22:10 2011
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2011 18:22:10 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] RAID 5 repair
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTikf69uZmZL-Fe8TQtMhbUHYH9nnqA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BANLkTikf69uZmZL-Fe8TQtMhbUHYH9nnqA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BC529468811141FB8A4BB69B35D7D3B0@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Most RAIDS have a default process keystroke combination during the bootup
sequence like <Ctrl-A>. This either accesses the motherboard ROM or the ROM
on the RAID controller. From there it should be a simply selection menu to
choose the newly installed drive and run the format and striping process. 

Before you do anything check the web for any oddities or info you need to
know on the drives and RAID controller...some have issues that should be
addressed like new firm upgrades, incompatibility issues and configuration
cautions etc. Some of the older drive sizes and configurations like a type
of SCSI or IDE are hard to find today. 

Once you have found the right combination and the appropriate equipment note
the process times needed to synchronize a new added drive. Sometimes the
process can take as much as 12 hours so be aware that the weekend would be
the best time to start such a process as in the worse case scenario there is
still time to recover from a crashed drive or something like that.

Once you are ready to start just inform the owner of the requirements and
the estimated costs and ask for the keys. He will either say just go ahead
or say no.

Also check with Drew as he appears to have had a fair bit of recent
experience with setting up a RAID 5 system.

Jim

  

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Erbach
Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2011 3:51 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] RAID 5 repair

Dear Group,

My client that I'm having trouble with the VPN/Remote Desktop also has
a dead RAID 5 drive.  It's a four drive array and the three remaining
drives are doing what they're supposed to be doing.  I've given drive
replacement info to my client (the drives are CHEAP) but he hasn't
bought any yet.

My question is (besides how do I slap some sense into his thick
head!): is there any preparation I need to do with the drive before I
slot it in and allow the RAID controller to re-synch the drive array?
That is, format it or something?  Or does the RAID controller take
care of that after I've installed the new drive?

It's an HP server that's about 4-5 years old using drives like the
following:

COMPAQ BF03664664
(http://www.serversupply.com/HARD%20DRIVES%20W-TRAY/ULTRA160-SCSI/36GB-15000
RPM/HP-COMPAQ/BF03664664.htm)

Any thoughts or advice? Thanks.

Regards,

Steve Erbach
Neenah, WI
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From erbachs at gmail.com  Thu Apr 28 08:35:13 2011
From: erbachs at gmail.com (Steve Erbach)
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 08:35:13 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] RAID 5 repair
In-Reply-To: <BC529468811141FB8A4BB69B35D7D3B0@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <BANLkTikf69uZmZL-Fe8TQtMhbUHYH9nnqA@mail.gmail.com>
	<BC529468811141FB8A4BB69B35D7D3B0@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <BANLkTi=X2a-pnV8sqfN5ucvQQrxQbo+xEA@mail.gmail.com>

Jim,

>> Once you are ready to start just inform the owner of the requirements and
the estimated costs and ask for the keys. He will either say just go ahead
or say no. <<

Heh!  I've been working with this guy since '91 or '92.  That's why I
facetiously asked in my first message about slapping some sense into
his head.  He waits on EVERYTHING.  In all the time I've known him he
has NEVER considered buying even semi-adequate backup for his servers.
 His "backup" consists of a weekly XCOPY of the contents of his
network data drive to one of the workstations on the network.  That's
it.

So getting him to spend $30 or $40 to replace a RAID drive?  Hardly
seems worth it, don't you think?  My God!  I had to virtually beg him
to spend $21 on PC Tools Registry Mechanic (which I swear by) to help
fix some registry issues on an infected workstation...and he only did
it because I promised to reimburse him if it didn't fix the issue. (It
didn't, by the way, so I reimbursed him.  Had to find something
on-line, a REG file that re-established the EXE file association on an
XP PC that had been attacked.)

Anyway, I feel like buying the drives myself and hiding the charge in
my next invoice just so he doesn't have to take the effort to buy the
drives himself. I suggested that he purchase four right away and then
swap them into the array one by one over successive weekends.  He
knows all this...but he still dithers about spending maybe $120 for
four drives.  Gad!

Thank you, Jim.

Steve Erbach
Neenah, WI

On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 8:22 PM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
> Most RAIDS have a default process keystroke combination during the bootup
> sequence like <Ctrl-A>. This either accesses the motherboard ROM or the ROM
> on the RAID controller. From there it should be a simply selection menu to
> choose the newly installed drive and run the format and striping process.
>
> Before you do anything check the web for any oddities or info you need to
> know on the drives and RAID controller...some have issues that should be
> addressed like new firm upgrades, incompatibility issues and configuration
> cautions etc. Some of the older drive sizes and configurations like a type
> of SCSI or IDE are hard to find today.
>
> Once you have found the right combination and the appropriate equipment note
> the process times needed to synchronize a new added drive. Sometimes the
> process can take as much as 12 hours so be aware that the weekend would be
> the best time to start such a process as in the worse case scenario there is
> still time to recover from a crashed drive or something like that.
>
> Once you are ready to start just inform the owner of the requirements and
> the estimated costs and ask for the keys. He will either say just go ahead
> or say no.
>
> Also check with Drew as he appears to have had a fair bit of recent
> experience with setting up a RAID 5 system.
>
> Jim
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Erbach
> Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2011 3:51 PM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: [dba-Tech] RAID 5 repair
>
> Dear Group,
>
> My client that I'm having trouble with the VPN/Remote Desktop also has
> a dead RAID 5 drive. ?It's a four drive array and the three remaining
> drives are doing what they're supposed to be doing. ?I've given drive
> replacement info to my client (the drives are CHEAP) but he hasn't
> bought any yet.
>
> My question is (besides how do I slap some sense into his thick
> head!): is there any preparation I need to do with the drive before I
> slot it in and allow the RAID controller to re-synch the drive array?
> That is, format it or something? ?Or does the RAID controller take
> care of that after I've installed the new drive?
>
> It's an HP server that's about 4-5 years old using drives like the
> following:
>
> COMPAQ BF03664664
> (http://www.serversupply.com/HARD%20DRIVES%20W-TRAY/ULTRA160-SCSI/36GB-15000
> RPM/HP-COMPAQ/BF03664664.htm)
>
> Any thoughts or advice? Thanks.
>
> Regards,
>
> Steve Erbach


From jon.tydda at lonza.com  Thu Apr 28 09:04:40 2011
From: jon.tydda at lonza.com (Tydda Jon - Slough)
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 16:04:40 +0200
Subject: [dba-Tech] RAID 5 repair
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTi=X2a-pnV8sqfN5ucvQQrxQbo+xEA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BANLkTikf69uZmZL-Fe8TQtMhbUHYH9nnqA@mail.gmail.com>
	<BC529468811141FB8A4BB69B35D7D3B0@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<BANLkTi=X2a-pnV8sqfN5ucvQQrxQbo+xEA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A750CC0AAE63CB489C58478FF67DE63215F595CB0C@chvex03.lonzagroup.net>

Take one of the other drives out too, and tell him he's lost all his data, but that you can get it all back for a $200 outlay? :-)


Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Erbach
Sent: 28 April 2011 14:35
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] RAID 5 repair

Jim,

>> Once you are ready to start just inform the owner of the requirements
>> and
the estimated costs and ask for the keys. He will either say just go ahead or say no. <<

Heh!  I've been working with this guy since '91 or '92.  That's why I facetiously asked in my first message about slapping some sense into his head.  He waits on EVERYTHING.  In all the time I've known him he has NEVER considered buying even semi-adequate backup for his servers.
 His "backup" consists of a weekly XCOPY of the contents of his network data drive to one of the workstations on the network.  That's it.

So getting him to spend $30 or $40 to replace a RAID drive?  Hardly seems worth it, don't you think?  My God!  I had to virtually beg him to spend $21 on PC Tools Registry Mechanic (which I swear by) to help fix some registry issues on an infected workstation...and he only did it because I promised to reimburse him if it didn't fix the issue. (It didn't, by the way, so I reimbursed him.  Had to find something on-line, a REG file that re-established the EXE file association on an XP PC that had been attacked.)

Anyway, I feel like buying the drives myself and hiding the charge in my next invoice just so he doesn't have to take the effort to buy the drives himself. I suggested that he purchase four right away and then swap them into the array one by one over successive weekends.  He knows all this...but he still dithers about spending maybe $120 for four drives.  Gad!

Thank you, Jim.

Steve Erbach
Neenah, WI

On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 8:22 PM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
> Most RAIDS have a default process keystroke combination during the
> bootup sequence like <Ctrl-A>. This either accesses the motherboard
> ROM or the ROM on the RAID controller. From there it should be a
> simply selection menu to choose the newly installed drive and run the format and striping process.
>
> Before you do anything check the web for any oddities or info you need
> to know on the drives and RAID controller...some have issues that
> should be addressed like new firm upgrades, incompatibility issues and
> configuration cautions etc. Some of the older drive sizes and
> configurations like a type of SCSI or IDE are hard to find today.
>
> Once you have found the right combination and the appropriate
> equipment note the process times needed to synchronize a new added
> drive. Sometimes the process can take as much as 12 hours so be aware
> that the weekend would be the best time to start such a process as in
> the worse case scenario there is still time to recover from a crashed drive or something like that.
>
> Once you are ready to start just inform the owner of the requirements
> and the estimated costs and ask for the keys. He will either say just
> go ahead or say no.
>
> Also check with Drew as he appears to have had a fair bit of recent
> experience with setting up a RAID 5 system.
>
> Jim
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve
> Erbach
> Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2011 3:51 PM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: [dba-Tech] RAID 5 repair
>
> Dear Group,
>
> My client that I'm having trouble with the VPN/Remote Desktop also has
> a dead RAID 5 drive.  It's a four drive array and the three remaining
> drives are doing what they're supposed to be doing.  I've given drive
> replacement info to my client (the drives are CHEAP) but he hasn't
> bought any yet.
>
> My question is (besides how do I slap some sense into his thick
> head!): is there any preparation I need to do with the drive before I
> slot it in and allow the RAID controller to re-synch the drive array?
> That is, format it or something?  Or does the RAID controller take
> care of that after I've installed the new drive?
>
> It's an HP server that's about 4-5 years old using drives like the
> following:
>
> COMPAQ BF03664664
> (http://www.serversupply.com/HARD%20DRIVES%20W-TRAY/ULTRA160-SCSI/36GB
> -15000
> RPM/HP-COMPAQ/BF03664664.htm)
>
> Any thoughts or advice? Thanks.
>
> Regards,
>
> Steve Erbach

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Apr 28 09:53:26 2011
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 07:53:26 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] RAID 5 repair
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTi=X2a-pnV8sqfN5ucvQQrxQbo+xEA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BANLkTikf69uZmZL-Fe8TQtMhbUHYH9nnqA@mail.gmail.com>
	<BC529468811141FB8A4BB69B35D7D3B0@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<BANLkTi=X2a-pnV8sqfN5ucvQQrxQbo+xEA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <809DA7012B2642BC8A8B261EC65022D1@creativesystemdesigns.com>

That all sounds like nickle and dime stuff. Be aware that even if you are
doing a near freeby you are legally on the hook for anything that goes
wrong.

Jim



-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Erbach
Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 6:35 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] RAID 5 repair

Jim,

>> Once you are ready to start just inform the owner of the requirements and
the estimated costs and ask for the keys. He will either say just go ahead
or say no. <<

Heh!  I've been working with this guy since '91 or '92.  That's why I
facetiously asked in my first message about slapping some sense into
his head.  He waits on EVERYTHING.  In all the time I've known him he
has NEVER considered buying even semi-adequate backup for his servers.
 His "backup" consists of a weekly XCOPY of the contents of his
network data drive to one of the workstations on the network.  That's
it.

So getting him to spend $30 or $40 to replace a RAID drive?  Hardly
seems worth it, don't you think?  My God!  I had to virtually beg him
to spend $21 on PC Tools Registry Mechanic (which I swear by) to help
fix some registry issues on an infected workstation...and he only did
it because I promised to reimburse him if it didn't fix the issue. (It
didn't, by the way, so I reimbursed him.  Had to find something
on-line, a REG file that re-established the EXE file association on an
XP PC that had been attacked.)

Anyway, I feel like buying the drives myself and hiding the charge in
my next invoice just so he doesn't have to take the effort to buy the
drives himself. I suggested that he purchase four right away and then
swap them into the array one by one over successive weekends.  He
knows all this...but he still dithers about spending maybe $120 for
four drives.  Gad!

Thank you, Jim.

Steve Erbach
Neenah, WI

On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 8:22 PM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
> Most RAIDS have a default process keystroke combination during the bootup
> sequence like <Ctrl-A>. This either accesses the motherboard ROM or the
ROM
> on the RAID controller. From there it should be a simply selection menu to
> choose the newly installed drive and run the format and striping process.
>
> Before you do anything check the web for any oddities or info you need to
> know on the drives and RAID controller...some have issues that should be
> addressed like new firm upgrades, incompatibility issues and configuration
> cautions etc. Some of the older drive sizes and configurations like a type
> of SCSI or IDE are hard to find today.
>
> Once you have found the right combination and the appropriate equipment
note
> the process times needed to synchronize a new added drive. Sometimes the
> process can take as much as 12 hours so be aware that the weekend would be
> the best time to start such a process as in the worse case scenario there
is
> still time to recover from a crashed drive or something like that.
>
> Once you are ready to start just inform the owner of the requirements and
> the estimated costs and ask for the keys. He will either say just go ahead
> or say no.
>
> Also check with Drew as he appears to have had a fair bit of recent
> experience with setting up a RAID 5 system.
>
> Jim
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Erbach
> Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2011 3:51 PM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: [dba-Tech] RAID 5 repair
>
> Dear Group,
>
> My client that I'm having trouble with the VPN/Remote Desktop also has
> a dead RAID 5 drive. ?It's a four drive array and the three remaining
> drives are doing what they're supposed to be doing. ?I've given drive
> replacement info to my client (the drives are CHEAP) but he hasn't
> bought any yet.
>
> My question is (besides how do I slap some sense into his thick
> head!): is there any preparation I need to do with the drive before I
> slot it in and allow the RAID controller to re-synch the drive array?
> That is, format it or something? ?Or does the RAID controller take
> care of that after I've installed the new drive?
>
> It's an HP server that's about 4-5 years old using drives like the
> following:
>
> COMPAQ BF03664664
>
(http://www.serversupply.com/HARD%20DRIVES%20W-TRAY/ULTRA160-SCSI/36GB-15000
> RPM/HP-COMPAQ/BF03664664.htm)
>
> Any thoughts or advice? Thanks.
>
> Regards,
>
> Steve Erbach

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From john at winhaven.net  Thu Apr 28 10:42:09 2011
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 10:42:09 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] RAID 5 repair
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTi=X2a-pnV8sqfN5ucvQQrxQbo+xEA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BANLkTikf69uZmZL-Fe8TQtMhbUHYH9nnqA@mail.gmail.com>	<BC529468811141FB8A4BB69B35D7D3B0@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<BANLkTi=X2a-pnV8sqfN5ucvQQrxQbo+xEA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <005101cc05ba$d61b96d0$8252c470$@winhaven.net>

Wouldn't be an attorney by chance? I have an office suite with attorneys and
a CPA. You'd think the CPA would be the cheap one but no, she is the one
that understands 
The importance of having quality equipment (and of course the write-off she
can take for it). The attorneys are all so tight they must have squeaking
contests after hours. I once asked of the legal aides as to whether or not
they teach business management in Law school and she laughed out loud and
said "no way!"

BTW, there are free tools available that fix the sort of registry problems
caused by infections. Bing for ComboFix.

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Erbach
Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 8:35 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] RAID 5 repair

Jim,

>> Once you are ready to start just inform the owner of the requirements 
>> and
the estimated costs and ask for the keys. He will either say just go ahead
or say no. <<

Heh!  I've been working with this guy since '91 or '92.  That's why I
facetiously asked in my first message about slapping some sense into his
head.  He waits on EVERYTHING.  In all the time I've known him he has NEVER
considered buying even semi-adequate backup for his servers.
 His "backup" consists of a weekly XCOPY of the contents of his network data
drive to one of the workstations on the network.  That's it.

So getting him to spend $30 or $40 to replace a RAID drive?  Hardly seems
worth it, don't you think?  My God!  I had to virtually beg him to spend $21
on PC Tools Registry Mechanic (which I swear by) to help fix some registry
issues on an infected workstation...and he only did it because I promised to
reimburse him if it didn't fix the issue. (It didn't, by the way, so I
reimbursed him.  Had to find something on-line, a REG file that
re-established the EXE file association on an XP PC that had been attacked.)

Anyway, I feel like buying the drives myself and hiding the charge in my
next invoice just so he doesn't have to take the effort to buy the drives
himself. I suggested that he purchase four right away and then swap them
into the array one by one over successive weekends.  He knows all this...but
he still dithers about spending maybe $120 for four drives.  Gad!

Thank you, Jim.

Steve Erbach
Neenah, WI

On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 8:22 PM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
> Most RAIDS have a default process keystroke combination during the 
> bootup sequence like <Ctrl-A>. This either accesses the motherboard 
> ROM or the ROM on the RAID controller. From there it should be a 
> simply selection menu to choose the newly installed drive and run the
format and striping process.
>
> Before you do anything check the web for any oddities or info you need 
> to know on the drives and RAID controller...some have issues that 
> should be addressed like new firm upgrades, incompatibility issues and 
> configuration cautions etc. Some of the older drive sizes and 
> configurations like a type of SCSI or IDE are hard to find today.
>
> Once you have found the right combination and the appropriate 
> equipment note the process times needed to synchronize a new added 
> drive. Sometimes the process can take as much as 12 hours so be aware 
> that the weekend would be the best time to start such a process as in 
> the worse case scenario there is still time to recover from a crashed
drive or something like that.
>
> Once you are ready to start just inform the owner of the requirements 
> and the estimated costs and ask for the keys. He will either say just 
> go ahead or say no.
>
> Also check with Drew as he appears to have had a fair bit of recent 
> experience with setting up a RAID 5 system.
>
> Jim
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve 
> Erbach
> Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2011 3:51 PM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: [dba-Tech] RAID 5 repair
>
> Dear Group,
>
> My client that I'm having trouble with the VPN/Remote Desktop also has 
> a dead RAID 5 drive. ?It's a four drive array and the three remaining 
> drives are doing what they're supposed to be doing. ?I've given drive 
> replacement info to my client (the drives are CHEAP) but he hasn't 
> bought any yet.
>
> My question is (besides how do I slap some sense into his thick
> head!): is there any preparation I need to do with the drive before I 
> slot it in and allow the RAID controller to re-synch the drive array?
> That is, format it or something? ?Or does the RAID controller take 
> care of that after I've installed the new drive?
>
> It's an HP server that's about 4-5 years old using drives like the
> following:
>
> COMPAQ BF03664664
> (http://www.serversupply.com/HARD%20DRIVES%20W-TRAY/ULTRA160-SCSI/36GB
> -15000
> RPM/HP-COMPAQ/BF03664664.htm)
>
> Any thoughts or advice? Thanks.
>
> Regards,
>
> Steve Erbach

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From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Thu Apr 28 10:45:26 2011
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 11:45:26 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Not Sure Quite What I'm Dealing With Here
Message-ID: <4DB98B96.6050208@torchlake.com>

Okay, I've got a situation with a computer that is giving me fits.

Symptoms: 
1)  Windows update won't - clicking the update link generates an 
hourglass, then, nothing.
2)  Windows installer won't - trying to install anything generates the 
message that the installer cannot be accessed.
3)  Windows installer apparently tries to start when any icon on the 
desktop is right-clicked.
4)  At startup, a message appears saying that Vipre reports it is not 
running.
5)  Computer lost its wireless connection to the printer.
Symptoms 1 and 5 might suggest loss of all connectivity - not so!  
Internet access still available.  Network access to shared folders on 
other computers is still available.

Other issues have been discovered as we go along, but these are the 
immediately visible symptoms.

Before I go into the things I have tried, and what has worked for how 
long, and what hasn't worked at all, I thought I'd ask you guys if this 
constellation of symptoms rings any bells.  Do you recognize these 
difficulties?  Do you have any helpful suggestions?

This is the family computer for my kids Cheryl and Brad, and their 
kids.  Lots of email, IM-ing, games, etc.  About three months ago, it 
crashed - I suspected HD failure.  I got it revived with Spin-Rite 
(John, your advice that I should purchase that program was spot on and 
has served me well ever since!!!). 

I have lots more to tell about this adventure - 5 pages of handwritten 
notes, so far.  Thanks for your assistance.

T

From hkotsch at arcor.de  Thu Apr 28 11:09:40 2011
From: hkotsch at arcor.de (Helmut Kotsch)
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 18:09:40 +0200
Subject: [dba-Tech] Not Sure Quite What I'm Dealing With Here
In-Reply-To: <4DB98B96.6050208@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <JIECLJNJOMBJFEDLONCBMEOBIAAA.hkotsch@arcor.de>

Did you try a sytem restore?

Helmut

-----Ursprungliche Nachricht-----
Von: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]Im Auftrag von Tina Norris
Fields
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 28. April 2011 17:45
An: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Betreff: [dba-Tech] Not Sure Quite What I'm Dealing With Here


Okay, I've got a situation with a computer that is giving me fits.

Symptoms: 
1)  Windows update won't - clicking the update link generates an 
hourglass, then, nothing.
2)  Windows installer won't - trying to install anything generates the 
message that the installer cannot be accessed.
3)  Windows installer apparently tries to start when any icon on the 
desktop is right-clicked.
4)  At startup, a message appears saying that Vipre reports it is not 
running.
5)  Computer lost its wireless connection to the printer.
Symptoms 1 and 5 might suggest loss of all connectivity - not so!  
Internet access still available.  Network access to shared folders on 
other computers is still available.

Other issues have been discovered as we go along, but these are the 
immediately visible symptoms.

Before I go into the things I have tried, and what has worked for how 
long, and what hasn't worked at all, I thought I'd ask you guys if this 
constellation of symptoms rings any bells.  Do you recognize these 
difficulties?  Do you have any helpful suggestions?

This is the family computer for my kids Cheryl and Brad, and their 
kids.  Lots of email, IM-ing, games, etc.  About three months ago, it 
crashed - I suspected HD failure.  I got it revived with Spin-Rite 
(John, your advice that I should purchase that program was spot on and 
has served me well ever since!!!). 

I have lots more to tell about this adventure - 5 pages of handwritten 
notes, so far.  Thanks for your assistance.

T
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From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Thu Apr 28 11:26:24 2011
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 12:26:24 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Command line: move
In-Reply-To: <00de01cbf87f$b1739c30$145ad490$@winhaven.net>
References: <00de01cbf87f$b1739c30$145ad490$@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <4DB99530.7010401@torchlake.com>

John,

I believe I would use the COPY command, or maybe more likely, the XCOPY 
command,  to copy my source files to their destination
COPY source destination [/v] or XCOPY source destination 
[/A][/D][/E][/P][/S][/V][/W]

Options:
/A           Copy only those files with the archive attribute turned on; 
the state of the archive bit is not changed
/D:date    Copy only those files whose date is equal to or later than 
the specified date
/E            Create all subdirectories, even if empty
/M           Copy only those files with the archive attribute turned on: 
the state of the archive bit is turned off
/P            Prompt before copying each file
/S            Copy files in subdirectories
/V            Verify each write operation
/W           Wait until disk is inserted 

Then, I would use the DEL command to delete them from their original 
location
DEL file-name

To make things work smoothly, I'd probably want all the source files in 
one directory, or tree, so I could write something like this:
XCOPY C:\SOURCE\*.*   C:\DESTINATION\  /E /S /V
Followed by:
DEL C:\SOURCE\*.*

At least, that's where I'd start.  I know me, so I'd test it thoroughly 
before I relied on it.  :-)

Best,
T


John Bartow wrote:
> Hi all,
> I recall that some of you use the windows command line quite a bit yet.
>
> Can someone tell me what the command line would be to move all folders and
> files contained in a specific folder to another drive? 
>
> It's Something I want to do it a batch files and schedule for archiving
> purposes.
>
> TIA John B.
>
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From garykjos at gmail.com  Thu Apr 28 11:29:20 2011
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 11:29:20 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Not Sure Quite What I'm Dealing With Here
In-Reply-To: <4DB98B96.6050208@torchlake.com>
References: <4DB98B96.6050208@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <BANLkTimuYQUESBBnwQ4+CxAXp=MAA71q2Q@mail.gmail.com>

If you start in safe mode does it allow some of those things?

GK

On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 10:45 AM, Tina Norris Fields
<tinanfields at torchlake.com> wrote:
> Okay, I've got a situation with a computer that is giving me fits.
>
> Symptoms: 1) ?Windows update won't - clicking the update link generates an
> hourglass, then, nothing.
> 2) ?Windows installer won't - trying to install anything generates the
> message that the installer cannot be accessed.
> 3) ?Windows installer apparently tries to start when any icon on the desktop
> is right-clicked.
> 4) ?At startup, a message appears saying that Vipre reports it is not
> running.
> 5) ?Computer lost its wireless connection to the printer.
> Symptoms 1 and 5 might suggest loss of all connectivity - not so! ?Internet
> access still available. ?Network access to shared folders on other computers
> is still available.
>
> Other issues have been discovered as we go along, but these are the
> immediately visible symptoms.
>
> Before I go into the things I have tried, and what has worked for how long,
> and what hasn't worked at all, I thought I'd ask you guys if this
> constellation of symptoms rings any bells. ?Do you recognize these
> difficulties? ?Do you have any helpful suggestions?
>
> This is the family computer for my kids Cheryl and Brad, and their kids.
> ?Lots of email, IM-ing, games, etc. ?About three months ago, it crashed - I
> suspected HD failure. ?I got it revived with Spin-Rite (John, your advice
> that I should purchase that program was spot on and has served me well ever
> since!!!).
> I have lots more to tell about this adventure - 5 pages of handwritten
> notes, so far. ?Thanks for your assistance.
>
> T
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>



-- 
Gary Kjos
garykjos at gmail.com


From john at winhaven.net  Thu Apr 28 11:40:00 2011
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 11:40:00 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Not Sure Quite What I'm Dealing With Here
In-Reply-To: <4DB98B96.6050208@torchlake.com>
References: <4DB98B96.6050208@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <006601cc05c2$ea8c2870$bfa47950$@winhaven.net>

I'd suggest that maybe a windows update went bad. Try system restore.

Turn windows update to "prompt only". When you decide to apply Windows
Updates close all programs and turn off any active type security scanners.
Reboot when finished. If things go haywire then do a system restore and
selectively apply each update until you figure out which is the culprit.

Could be an infection too. If the above accomplishes nothing then make sure
your security programs are up to date and then boot into safe mode and run
full scans.

HTH!

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris
Fields
Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 10:45 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] Not Sure Quite What I'm Dealing With Here

Okay, I've got a situation with a computer that is giving me fits.

Symptoms: 
1)  Windows update won't - clicking the update link generates an hourglass,
then, nothing.
2)  Windows installer won't - trying to install anything generates the
message that the installer cannot be accessed.
3)  Windows installer apparently tries to start when any icon on the desktop
is right-clicked.
4)  At startup, a message appears saying that Vipre reports it is not
running.
5)  Computer lost its wireless connection to the printer.
Symptoms 1 and 5 might suggest loss of all connectivity - not so!  
Internet access still available.  Network access to shared folders on other
computers is still available.

Other issues have been discovered as we go along, but these are the
immediately visible symptoms.

Before I go into the things I have tried, and what has worked for how long,
and what hasn't worked at all, I thought I'd ask you guys if this
constellation of symptoms rings any bells.  Do you recognize these
difficulties?  Do you have any helpful suggestions?

This is the family computer for my kids Cheryl and Brad, and their kids.
Lots of email, IM-ing, games, etc.  About three months ago, it crashed - I
suspected HD failure.  I got it revived with Spin-Rite (John, your advice
that I should purchase that program was spot on and has served me well ever
since!!!). 

I have lots more to tell about this adventure - 5 pages of handwritten
notes, so far.  Thanks for your assistance.

T
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From john at winhaven.net  Thu Apr 28 11:49:09 2011
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 11:49:09 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Command line: move
In-Reply-To: <4DB99530.7010401@torchlake.com>
References: <00de01cbf87f$b1739c30$145ad490$@winhaven.net>
	<4DB99530.7010401@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <006701cc05c4$31c206f0$954614d0$@winhaven.net>

Hi Tina,
Thanks. I put together a nice system using RoboCopy, which is an awesome
command that I completely missed when it was released! Check it out when you
have some time.

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris
Fields
Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 11:26 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Command line: move

John,

I believe I would use the COPY command, or maybe more likely, the XCOPY
command,  to copy my source files to their destination COPY source
destination [/v] or XCOPY source destination [/A][/D][/E][/P][/S][/V][/W]

Options:
/A           Copy only those files with the archive attribute turned on; 
the state of the archive bit is not changed
/D:date    Copy only those files whose date is equal to or later than 
the specified date
/E            Create all subdirectories, even if empty
/M           Copy only those files with the archive attribute turned on: 
the state of the archive bit is turned off
/P            Prompt before copying each file
/S            Copy files in subdirectories
/V            Verify each write operation
/W           Wait until disk is inserted 

Then, I would use the DEL command to delete them from their original
location DEL file-name

To make things work smoothly, I'd probably want all the source files in one
directory, or tree, so I could write something like this:
XCOPY C:\SOURCE\*.*   C:\DESTINATION\  /E /S /V
Followed by:
DEL C:\SOURCE\*.*

At least, that's where I'd start.  I know me, so I'd test it thoroughly
before I relied on it.  :-)

Best,
T


John Bartow wrote:
> Hi all,
> I recall that some of you use the windows command line quite a bit yet.
>
> Can someone tell me what the command line would be to move all folders 
> and files contained in a specific folder to another drive?
>
> It's Something I want to do it a batch files and schedule for 
> archiving purposes.
>
> TIA John B.
>
> _______________________________________________
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>
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From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Thu Apr 28 11:51:23 2011
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 12:51:23 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Not Sure Quite What I'm Dealing With Here
In-Reply-To: <JIECLJNJOMBJFEDLONCBMEOBIAAA.hkotsch@arcor.de>
References: <JIECLJNJOMBJFEDLONCBMEOBIAAA.hkotsch@arcor.de>
Message-ID: <4DB99B0B.4050302@torchlake.com>

Hi Helmut,
Yes, System Restore was one of the first things I tried.  But, nobody 
could tell me how long the issues had been appearing.  I made a couple 
of efforts, going back back a couple of months, but had no success.  
What I didn't do was keep going backward in time until either finding a 
restore point that fixed things or reaching the end of available restore 
points.
Have you seen symptoms like these?
T

Helmut Kotsch wrote:
> Did you try a sytem restore?
>
> Helmut
>
> -----Ursprungliche Nachricht-----
> Von: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]Im Auftrag von Tina Norris
> Fields
> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 28. April 2011 17:45
> An: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Betreff: [dba-Tech] Not Sure Quite What I'm Dealing With Here
>
>
> Okay, I've got a situation with a computer that is giving me fits.
>
> Symptoms: 
> 1)  Windows update won't - clicking the update link generates an 
> hourglass, then, nothing.
> 2)  Windows installer won't - trying to install anything generates the 
> message that the installer cannot be accessed.
> 3)  Windows installer apparently tries to start when any icon on the 
> desktop is right-clicked.
> 4)  At startup, a message appears saying that Vipre reports it is not 
> running.
> 5)  Computer lost its wireless connection to the printer.
> Symptoms 1 and 5 might suggest loss of all connectivity - not so!  
> Internet access still available.  Network access to shared folders on 
> other computers is still available.
>
> Other issues have been discovered as we go along, but these are the 
> immediately visible symptoms.
>
> Before I go into the things I have tried, and what has worked for how 
> long, and what hasn't worked at all, I thought I'd ask you guys if this 
> constellation of symptoms rings any bells.  Do you recognize these 
> difficulties?  Do you have any helpful suggestions?
>
> This is the family computer for my kids Cheryl and Brad, and their 
> kids.  Lots of email, IM-ing, games, etc.  About three months ago, it 
> crashed - I suspected HD failure.  I got it revived with Spin-Rite 
> (John, your advice that I should purchase that program was spot on and 
> has served me well ever since!!!). 
>
> I have lots more to tell about this adventure - 5 pages of handwritten 
> notes, so far.  Thanks for your assistance.
>
> T
> _______________________________________________
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> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
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From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Thu Apr 28 11:57:23 2011
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 12:57:23 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Not Sure Quite What I'm Dealing With Here
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTimuYQUESBBnwQ4+CxAXp=MAA71q2Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4DB98B96.6050208@torchlake.com>
	<BANLkTimuYQUESBBnwQ4+CxAXp=MAA71q2Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4DB99C73.50906@torchlake.com>

Hi Gary,
No, it does not.  In fact the "installer" message said that one cause 
could be from trying to use it while in safe mode.  I just checked 
again, and now that message makes reference only to the possibility of 
incorrect installation.  I don't know if I've made progress or not - the 
earlier message included the safe mode reference.  The bottom line is 
the same.  No installation of anything.
T

Gary Kjos wrote:
> If you start in safe mode does it allow some of those things?
>
> GK
>
> On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 10:45 AM, Tina Norris Fields
> <tinanfields at torchlake.com> wrote:
>   
>> Okay, I've got a situation with a computer that is giving me fits.
>>
>> Symptoms: 1)  Windows update won't - clicking the update link generates an
>> hourglass, then, nothing.
>> 2)  Windows installer won't - trying to install anything generates the
>> message that the installer cannot be accessed.
>> 3)  Windows installer apparently tries to start when any icon on the desktop
>> is right-clicked.
>> 4)  At startup, a message appears saying that Vipre reports it is not
>> running.
>> 5)  Computer lost its wireless connection to the printer.
>> Symptoms 1 and 5 might suggest loss of all connectivity - not so!  Internet
>> access still available.  Network access to shared folders on other computers
>> is still available.
>>
>> Other issues have been discovered as we go along, but these are the
>> immediately visible symptoms.
>>
>> Before I go into the things I have tried, and what has worked for how long,
>> and what hasn't worked at all, I thought I'd ask you guys if this
>> constellation of symptoms rings any bells.  Do you recognize these
>> difficulties?  Do you have any helpful suggestions?
>>
>> This is the family computer for my kids Cheryl and Brad, and their kids.
>>  Lots of email, IM-ing, games, etc.  About three months ago, it crashed - I
>> suspected HD failure.  I got it revived with Spin-Rite (John, your advice
>> that I should purchase that program was spot on and has served me well ever
>> since!!!).
>> I have lots more to tell about this adventure - 5 pages of handwritten
>> notes, so far.  Thanks for your assistance.
>>
>> T
>> _______________________________________________
>> dba-Tech mailing list
>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>>     
>
>
>
>   

From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Thu Apr 28 12:02:06 2011
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 13:02:06 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Not Sure Quite What I'm Dealing With Here
In-Reply-To: <006601cc05c2$ea8c2870$bfa47950$@winhaven.net>
References: <4DB98B96.6050208@torchlake.com>
	<006601cc05c2$ea8c2870$bfa47950$@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <4DB99D8E.2060405@torchlake.com>

Hi John,

Part of the problem became evident when I saw the message that Vipre 
reported it wasn't running.  I checked all the settings, but could not 
get it to run.  I tried reinstalling, but had to uninstall in order to 
install.  And, since the installer will not work, I can't reinstall Vipre. 

Okay, both you and Helmut have strongly suggested system restore.  I'll 
go back farther until I either run out of available restores or I find a 
point that works.  Thanks.

T

John Bartow wrote:
> I'd suggest that maybe a windows update went bad. Try system restore.
>
> Turn windows update to "prompt only". When you decide to apply Windows
> Updates close all programs and turn off any active type security scanners.
> Reboot when finished. If things go haywire then do a system restore and
> selectively apply each update until you figure out which is the culprit.
>
> Could be an infection too. If the above accomplishes nothing then make sure
> your security programs are up to date and then boot into safe mode and run
> full scans.
>
> HTH!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris
> Fields
> Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 10:45 AM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: [dba-Tech] Not Sure Quite What I'm Dealing With Here
>
> Okay, I've got a situation with a computer that is giving me fits.
>
> Symptoms: 
> 1)  Windows update won't - clicking the update link generates an hourglass,
> then, nothing.
> 2)  Windows installer won't - trying to install anything generates the
> message that the installer cannot be accessed.
> 3)  Windows installer apparently tries to start when any icon on the desktop
> is right-clicked.
> 4)  At startup, a message appears saying that Vipre reports it is not
> running.
> 5)  Computer lost its wireless connection to the printer.
> Symptoms 1 and 5 might suggest loss of all connectivity - not so!  
> Internet access still available.  Network access to shared folders on other
> computers is still available.
>
> Other issues have been discovered as we go along, but these are the
> immediately visible symptoms.
>
> Before I go into the things I have tried, and what has worked for how long,
> and what hasn't worked at all, I thought I'd ask you guys if this
> constellation of symptoms rings any bells.  Do you recognize these
> difficulties?  Do you have any helpful suggestions?
>
> This is the family computer for my kids Cheryl and Brad, and their kids.
> Lots of email, IM-ing, games, etc.  About three months ago, it crashed - I
> suspected HD failure.  I got it revived with Spin-Rite (John, your advice
> that I should purchase that program was spot on and has served me well ever
> since!!!). 
>
> I have lots more to tell about this adventure - 5 pages of handwritten
> notes, so far.  Thanks for your assistance.
>
> T
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
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From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Thu Apr 28 12:03:15 2011
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 13:03:15 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Command line: move
In-Reply-To: <006701cc05c4$31c206f0$954614d0$@winhaven.net>
References: <00de01cbf87f$b1739c30$145ad490$@winhaven.net><4DB99530.7010401@torchlake.com>
	<006701cc05c4$31c206f0$954614d0$@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <4DB99DD3.9070601@torchlake.com>

I shall.  I came very late to the thread, not realizing it.  Glad about 
RoboCopy - I will check that out.
T

John Bartow wrote:
> Hi Tina,
> Thanks. I put together a nice system using RoboCopy, which is an awesome
> command that I completely missed when it was released! Check it out when you
> have some time.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris
> Fields
> Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 11:26 AM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Command line: move
>
> John,
>
> I believe I would use the COPY command, or maybe more likely, the XCOPY
> command,  to copy my source files to their destination COPY source
> destination [/v] or XCOPY source destination [/A][/D][/E][/P][/S][/V][/W]
>
> Options:
> /A           Copy only those files with the archive attribute turned on; 
> the state of the archive bit is not changed
> /D:date    Copy only those files whose date is equal to or later than 
> the specified date
> /E            Create all subdirectories, even if empty
> /M           Copy only those files with the archive attribute turned on: 
> the state of the archive bit is turned off
> /P            Prompt before copying each file
> /S            Copy files in subdirectories
> /V            Verify each write operation
> /W           Wait until disk is inserted 
>
> Then, I would use the DEL command to delete them from their original
> location DEL file-name
>
> To make things work smoothly, I'd probably want all the source files in one
> directory, or tree, so I could write something like this:
> XCOPY C:\SOURCE\*.*   C:\DESTINATION\  /E /S /V
> Followed by:
> DEL C:\SOURCE\*.*
>
> At least, that's where I'd start.  I know me, so I'd test it thoroughly
> before I relied on it.  :-)
>
> Best,
> T
>
>
> John Bartow wrote:
>   
>> Hi all,
>> I recall that some of you use the windows command line quite a bit yet.
>>
>> Can someone tell me what the command line would be to move all folders 
>> and files contained in a specific folder to another drive?
>>
>> It's Something I want to do it a batch files and schedule for 
>> archiving purposes.
>>
>> TIA John B.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> dba-Tech mailing list
>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>>   
>>     
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From john at winhaven.net  Thu Apr 28 12:09:58 2011
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 12:09:58 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Not Sure Quite What I'm Dealing With Here
In-Reply-To: <4DB99B0B.4050302@torchlake.com>
References: <JIECLJNJOMBJFEDLONCBMEOBIAAA.hkotsch@arcor.de>
	<4DB99B0B.4050302@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <006f01cc05c7$1a73f6e0$4f5be4a0$@winhaven.net>

Ah! Yes, if you don't know when the symptoms started you should just go all
the way back to the oldest system restore that you can find and see if it
solves the issue. You can always undo a system restore an then step through
them later. 

If that doesn't work then it may have been an infection that was cleaned off
by some scanner that didn't remediate the problems it caused. First, I'd
suggest running a full scan with MalwareBytes and Vipre. (If Vipre was
installed on this computer I'd suggest you call Sunbelt free support and let
them help you through it.) Second, given that you have so little information
about the problem and when it occurred you may just want to perform a
Windows Repair install. It will retain all of the programs and user files
and settings but repair Windows System Files which are obviously damaged.
Boot from the Windows CD, proceed all the way until it allows you to choose
what type of installation you wish to do (not the first screen that allows
you to hit "R" for repair-its further on than that). It will replace the
Windows System Files that have been changed and repair the registry in
regards to Windows System functions, to its original state. You will have to
apply the latest Windows Updates when finished.

Good Luck!

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris
Fields
Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 11:51 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Not Sure Quite What I'm Dealing With Here

Hi Helmut,
Yes, System Restore was one of the first things I tried.  But, nobody could
tell me how long the issues had been appearing.  I made a couple of efforts,
going back back a couple of months, but had no success.  
What I didn't do was keep going backward in time until either finding a
restore point that fixed things or reaching the end of available restore
points.
Have you seen symptoms like these?
T

Helmut Kotsch wrote:
> Did you try a sytem restore?
>
> Helmut
>
> -----Ursprungliche Nachricht-----
> Von: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]Im Auftrag von Tina 
> Norris Fields
> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 28. April 2011 17:45
> An: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Betreff: [dba-Tech] Not Sure Quite What I'm Dealing With Here
>
>
> Okay, I've got a situation with a computer that is giving me fits.
>
> Symptoms: 
> 1)  Windows update won't - clicking the update link generates an 
> hourglass, then, nothing.
> 2)  Windows installer won't - trying to install anything generates the 
> message that the installer cannot be accessed.
> 3)  Windows installer apparently tries to start when any icon on the 
> desktop is right-clicked.
> 4)  At startup, a message appears saying that Vipre reports it is not 
> running.
> 5)  Computer lost its wireless connection to the printer.
> Symptoms 1 and 5 might suggest loss of all connectivity - not so!  
> Internet access still available.  Network access to shared folders on 
> other computers is still available.
>
> Other issues have been discovered as we go along, but these are the 
> immediately visible symptoms.
>
> Before I go into the things I have tried, and what has worked for how 
> long, and what hasn't worked at all, I thought I'd ask you guys if 
> this constellation of symptoms rings any bells.  Do you recognize 
> these difficulties?  Do you have any helpful suggestions?
>
> This is the family computer for my kids Cheryl and Brad, and their 
> kids.  Lots of email, IM-ing, games, etc.  About three months ago, it 
> crashed - I suspected HD failure.  I got it revived with Spin-Rite 
> (John, your advice that I should purchase that program was spot on and 
> has served me well ever since!!!).
>
> I have lots more to tell about this adventure - 5 pages of handwritten 
> notes, so far.  Thanks for your assistance.
>
> T
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Apr 28 13:25:26 2011
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 11:25:26 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Not Sure Quite What I'm Dealing With Here
In-Reply-To: <4DB98B96.6050208@torchlake.com>
References: <4DB98B96.6050208@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <8B5D681B01D24D038C843ED203F68EB4@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Check the taskmanager <alt-ctrl-delete> and view what Processes are going
on...

(If you can not do that you have been hacked...then it is most likely a
re-image unless you are able to spend the immense amounts of time necessary
cleaning up the system yourself)

Assuming it all works fine sort by CPU (click on the CPU on the title bar)
and 'System Idle Process' should be at the top. Notice any other process
sucking up CPU cycles...what are they? 

Sometimes they may just be legitimate processes like explorer, or winword or
any other process you have in the lower left menu bar task section. Try
closing down processes that are taking cycles. After the legitimate
processes have been stopped there may be the runaway processes; like two
versions of ant-virus software competing. Then <right-mouse-click> and
End-process-tree. 

Watch for any processes that keep popping up. Check the names via the
internet and sometimes you may get insight into what the internal process
and whether it is legitimate or not. If the process is odd or not identified
removing it will test it. If it shows up in the process list a second or two
later after being deleted it may be worthy of watching especially if it is
not a standard windows process (checked via the internet). After a number of
years I can pretty well spot any process that should not be there. Another
process(es) to watch is the svchost.exe process which is used by a number of
other processes to handle system/network/internet connections...there can be
dozens running on servers by there should be no more than half a dozen on a
PC; too many signifies trouble. 

If you manage to get enough steady CPU processes running shown as
System-Idle-process some of the processes that are not working may spring
into life...that's of course if they are not being blocked.
 
It may take a while but usually you can narrow it down to a specific
legitimate or illegitimate process (file(s)) and then either de-install or
research the bad files and apply the appropriate de-activation method.
(...that could take pages of description...)

...Of course it could be a hardware issue.

HTH at least a bit. :-)
Jim


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris
Fields
Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 8:45 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] Not Sure Quite What I'm Dealing With Here

Okay, I've got a situation with a computer that is giving me fits.

Symptoms: 
1)  Windows update won't - clicking the update link generates an 
hourglass, then, nothing.
2)  Windows installer won't - trying to install anything generates the 
message that the installer cannot be accessed.
3)  Windows installer apparently tries to start when any icon on the 
desktop is right-clicked.
4)  At startup, a message appears saying that Vipre reports it is not 
running.
5)  Computer lost its wireless connection to the printer.
Symptoms 1 and 5 might suggest loss of all connectivity - not so!  
Internet access still available.  Network access to shared folders on 
other computers is still available.

Other issues have been discovered as we go along, but these are the 
immediately visible symptoms.

Before I go into the things I have tried, and what has worked for how 
long, and what hasn't worked at all, I thought I'd ask you guys if this 
constellation of symptoms rings any bells.  Do you recognize these 
difficulties?  Do you have any helpful suggestions?

This is the family computer for my kids Cheryl and Brad, and their 
kids.  Lots of email, IM-ing, games, etc.  About three months ago, it 
crashed - I suspected HD failure.  I got it revived with Spin-Rite 
(John, your advice that I should purchase that program was spot on and 
has served me well ever since!!!). 

I have lots more to tell about this adventure - 5 pages of handwritten 
notes, so far.  Thanks for your assistance.

T
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From john at winhaven.net  Thu Apr 28 13:27:15 2011
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 13:27:15 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Not Sure Quite What I'm Dealing With Here
In-Reply-To: <4DB99D8E.2060405@torchlake.com>
References: <4DB98B96.6050208@torchlake.com>	<006601cc05c2$ea8c2870$bfa47950$@winhaven.net>
	<4DB99D8E.2060405@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <008a01cc05d1$e77c0470$b6740d50$@winhaven.net>

If Vipre can't run it would be because the system can't run services - major
problem. And of course since it depends on Windows installer service that
won't work. I could tell you how to run windows installer service in safe
mode but if the services won't run that won't matter.

This appears to a pretty bad system corruption. I think a Windows repair
will be needed, it'll be a long shot but I hope System Restore works for
you.

Best of luck with it!

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris
Fields
Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 12:02 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Not Sure Quite What I'm Dealing With Here

Hi John,

Part of the problem became evident when I saw the message that Vipre
reported it wasn't running.  I checked all the settings, but could not get
it to run.  I tried reinstalling, but had to uninstall in order to install.
And, since the installer will not work, I can't reinstall Vipre. 

Okay, both you and Helmut have strongly suggested system restore.  I'll go
back farther until I either run out of available restores or I find a point
that works.  Thanks.

T

John Bartow wrote:
> I'd suggest that maybe a windows update went bad. Try system restore.
>
> Turn windows update to "prompt only". When you decide to apply Windows
> Updates close all programs and turn off any active type security scanners.
> Reboot when finished. If things go haywire then do a system restore and
> selectively apply each update until you figure out which is the culprit.
>
> Could be an infection too. If the above accomplishes nothing then make
sure
> your security programs are up to date and then boot into safe mode and run
> full scans.
>
> HTH!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris
> Fields
> Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 10:45 AM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: [dba-Tech] Not Sure Quite What I'm Dealing With Here
>
> Okay, I've got a situation with a computer that is giving me fits.
>
> Symptoms: 
> 1)  Windows update won't - clicking the update link generates an
hourglass,
> then, nothing.
> 2)  Windows installer won't - trying to install anything generates the
> message that the installer cannot be accessed.
> 3)  Windows installer apparently tries to start when any icon on the
desktop
> is right-clicked.
> 4)  At startup, a message appears saying that Vipre reports it is not
> running.
> 5)  Computer lost its wireless connection to the printer.
> Symptoms 1 and 5 might suggest loss of all connectivity - not so!  
> Internet access still available.  Network access to shared folders on
other
> computers is still available.
>
> Other issues have been discovered as we go along, but these are the
> immediately visible symptoms.
>
> Before I go into the things I have tried, and what has worked for how
long,
> and what hasn't worked at all, I thought I'd ask you guys if this
> constellation of symptoms rings any bells.  Do you recognize these
> difficulties?  Do you have any helpful suggestions?
>
> This is the family computer for my kids Cheryl and Brad, and their kids.
> Lots of email, IM-ing, games, etc.  About three months ago, it crashed - I
> suspected HD failure.  I got it revived with Spin-Rite (John, your advice
> that I should purchase that program was spot on and has served me well
ever
> since!!!). 
>
> I have lots more to tell about this adventure - 5 pages of handwritten
> notes, so far.  Thanks for your assistance.
>
> T
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu Apr 28 16:12:33 2011
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 07:12:33 +1000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Not Sure Quite What I'm Dealing With Here
In-Reply-To: <8B5D681B01D24D038C843ED203F68EB4@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <4DB98B96.6050208@torchlake.com>,
	<8B5D681B01D24D038C843ED203F68EB4@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <4DB9D841.16743.44B8B54@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Better to grab a copy of ProcessExplorer and use that.  I've seen systems with TaskMgr 
hijacked that I could still get into with ProcExp.   

It tells you al lot more about what is going on.

It also lets you suspend a bunch of processes and then close then down one at a time.  It's 
the only way to beat those nasties that run several instances under different names, all of 
which watch for each other and restart  any that are shut down.

-- 
Stuart

On 28 Apr 2011 at 11:25, Jim Lawrence wrote:

> Check the taskmanager <alt-ctrl-delete> and view what Processes are
> going on...
> 



From john at winhaven.net  Thu Apr 28 18:15:19 2011
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 18:15:19 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Not Sure Quite What I'm Dealing With Here
In-Reply-To: <4DB9D841.16743.44B8B54@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <4DB98B96.6050208@torchlake.com>,
	<8B5D681B01D24D038C843ED203F68EB4@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<4DB9D841.16743.44B8B54@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <00cf01cc05fa$242773f0$6c765bd0$@winhaven.net>

Ditto on that

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 4:13 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Not Sure Quite What I'm Dealing With Here

Better to grab a copy of ProcessExplorer and use that.  I've seen systems
with TaskMgr 
hijacked that I could still get into with ProcExp.   

It tells you al lot more about what is going on.

It also lets you suspend a bunch of processes and then close then down one
at a time.  It's the only way to beat those nasties that run several
instances under different names, all of which watch for each other and
restart  any that are shut down.

--
Stuart

On 28 Apr 2011 at 11:25, Jim Lawrence wrote:

> Check the taskmanager <alt-ctrl-delete> and view what Processes are 
> going on...
> 


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From erbachs at gmail.com  Fri Apr 29 11:23:13 2011
From: erbachs at gmail.com (Steve Erbach)
Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 11:23:13 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] RAID 5 repair
In-Reply-To: <809DA7012B2642BC8A8B261EC65022D1@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <BANLkTikf69uZmZL-Fe8TQtMhbUHYH9nnqA@mail.gmail.com>
	<BC529468811141FB8A4BB69B35D7D3B0@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<BANLkTi=X2a-pnV8sqfN5ucvQQrxQbo+xEA@mail.gmail.com>
	<809DA7012B2642BC8A8B261EC65022D1@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <BANLkTi=bZ+6NMBDw6gVupFOMr3e6-dG9Ww@mail.gmail.com>

Jim,

Thank you for the warning.  I've had this customer for about two
decades.  I don't leave him hanging.

Steve Erbach
Neenah, WI

On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 9:53 AM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
> That all sounds like nickle and dime stuff. Be aware that even if you are
> doing a near freeby you are legally on the hook for anything that goes
> wrong.
>
> Jim
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Erbach
> Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 6:35 AM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] RAID 5 repair
>
> Jim,
>
>>> Once you are ready to start just inform the owner of the requirements and
> the estimated costs and ask for the keys. He will either say just go ahead
> or say no. <<
>
> Heh! ?I've been working with this guy since '91 or '92. ?That's why I
> facetiously asked in my first message about slapping some sense into
> his head. ?He waits on EVERYTHING. ?In all the time I've known him he
> has NEVER considered buying even semi-adequate backup for his servers.
> ?His "backup" consists of a weekly XCOPY of the contents of his
> network data drive to one of the workstations on the network. ?That's
> it.
>
> So getting him to spend $30 or $40 to replace a RAID drive? ?Hardly
> seems worth it, don't you think? ?My God! ?I had to virtually beg him
> to spend $21 on PC Tools Registry Mechanic (which I swear by) to help
> fix some registry issues on an infected workstation...and he only did
> it because I promised to reimburse him if it didn't fix the issue. (It
> didn't, by the way, so I reimbursed him. ?Had to find something
> on-line, a REG file that re-established the EXE file association on an
> XP PC that had been attacked.)
>
> Anyway, I feel like buying the drives myself and hiding the charge in
> my next invoice just so he doesn't have to take the effort to buy the
> drives himself. I suggested that he purchase four right away and then
> swap them into the array one by one over successive weekends. ?He
> knows all this...but he still dithers about spending maybe $120 for
> four drives. ?Gad!
>
> Thank you, Jim.
>
> Steve Erbach


From erbachs at gmail.com  Fri Apr 29 11:31:00 2011
From: erbachs at gmail.com (Steve Erbach)
Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 11:31:00 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] RAID 5 repair
In-Reply-To: <A750CC0AAE63CB489C58478FF67DE63215F595CB0C@chvex03.lonzagroup.net>
References: <BANLkTikf69uZmZL-Fe8TQtMhbUHYH9nnqA@mail.gmail.com>
	<BC529468811141FB8A4BB69B35D7D3B0@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<BANLkTi=X2a-pnV8sqfN5ucvQQrxQbo+xEA@mail.gmail.com>
	<A750CC0AAE63CB489C58478FF67DE63215F595CB0C@chvex03.lonzagroup.net>
Message-ID: <BANLkTi=kn5tXfjDRjZdTvOVK2u2Vo39dmQ@mail.gmail.com>

Jon,

My customer hired a guy off of CraigsList for $18 an hour who knew a
fair amount about Windows Server.  This cat's mother is in IT at
Kimberly-Clark and has lots of connections which sonny-boy took
advantage of. Anyway, my client hired him because this kid was cheap.

I mentioned to Jim what the customer's backup situation was...XCOPY
the network data drive to one of the workstations every week (used to
be every night).  This kid was kind of cocky and figured that he
didn't really need my help, though he knows nothing about the
DOS-based software (yes, DOS-based) that my client insists on using.

One day the network crashed and the drives had to be reformatted.
This network whiz kid found some sort of backup from three or four
MONTHS previous and, without calling me, restored it.  This of course
lost all data entered during that time. He didn't check with me as to
the meager backup situation that WAS in place.  The old backup he used
was from when he installed the Windows network those three or four
months before.

Well, that night the regular XCOPY backup ran and, guess what?  The
ONLY recent backup they had was overwritten because he didn't call me
first.  So they wound up typing in oodles of PO's and invoices and
such.  Gad!

The point of this story is that my customer has a very lax attitude
about backups.  That experience didn't convince him that his backup
routine should be improved.  I don't know what to do...but he still
pays me.  He seems to just hate buying anything new.

Regards,

Steve Erbach
Neenah, WI


On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 9:04 AM, Tydda Jon - Slough <jon.tydda at lonza.com> wrote:
> Take one of the other drives out too, and tell him he's lost all his data, but that you can get it all back for a $200 outlay? :-)
>
>
> Jon
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Erbach
> Sent: 28 April 2011 14:35
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] RAID 5 repair
>
> Jim,
>
>>> Once you are ready to start just inform the owner of the requirements
>>> and
> the estimated costs and ask for the keys. He will either say just go ahead or say no. <<
>
> Heh! ?I've been working with this guy since '91 or '92. ?That's why I facetiously asked in my first message about slapping some sense into his head. ?He waits on EVERYTHING. ?In all the time I've known him he has NEVER considered buying even semi-adequate backup for his servers.
> ?His "backup" consists of a weekly XCOPY of the contents of his network data drive to one of the workstations on the network. ?That's it.
>
> So getting him to spend $30 or $40 to replace a RAID drive? ?Hardly seems worth it, don't you think? ?My God! ?I had to virtually beg him to spend $21 on PC Tools Registry Mechanic (which I swear by) to help fix some registry issues on an infected workstation...and he only did it because I promised to reimburse him if it didn't fix the issue. (It didn't, by the way, so I reimbursed him. ?Had to find something on-line, a REG file that re-established the EXE file association on an XP PC that had been attacked.)
>
> Anyway, I feel like buying the drives myself and hiding the charge in my next invoice just so he doesn't have to take the effort to buy the drives himself. I suggested that he purchase four right away and then swap them into the array one by one over successive weekends. ?He knows all this...but he still dithers about spending maybe $120 for four drives. ?Gad!
>
> Thank you, Jim.
>
> Steve Erbach


From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Apr 29 11:55:55 2011
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 09:55:55 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] I am an OpenVPN convert
In-Reply-To: <4DB98B96.6050208@torchlake.com>
References: <4DB98B96.6050208@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <347280D4C30C43518A56CA1C4BC53000@creativesystemdesigns.com>

OpenVPN is a wonderful product. It is like Hamchi in a way but it is sort of
like comparing a DLink router and Cisco router. The DLink has lots of
features in it but it is not fully programmable. 

OpenVPN does not provide an interface like LogMeIn that is up to the
individual stations but it does provide complete encapsulation of all
members within the network regardless of where in the world they are. I.E.
You could take a laptop to Mexico and as soon as you have established an
internet connection you are back in the network just like you were in the
office.

Unlike, say the Hamachi server, where you contact it and it passes your
access on to a single point of destination and uses specific range IP
addresses to slide under a remote stations firewall, OpenVPN can just use a
network's standard open addresses like 8080 or 80. You also need to have a
server of your own, (as well as access to the main OpenVPN server),
controlling and managing all the clients in the extended network. It does
not have to be any big server, just an old beater box that can run command
prompt Linux will do just fine. Each station and server, when they are
online, sends a token, indicating a station's identity and current IP
address, to the main OpenVPN server. The main OpenVPN servers do nothing
else but hold the location tokens and release that information when called
by your OpenVPN server. If the location of your VPN Server changes, it just
communicates its new location with the main OpenVPN server and things just
carry on. It does nothing more.that is unlike the Hamachi server.

Once any station within your wide access VPN network is established and
connected a knowledgeable OpenVPN tech can finely control access of any
station to any station.like that Cisco router.through-put, access times,
available printers etc. OpenVPN also has the ability to pass access back and
forth between remote stations so you could be communicating with a buddy in
Europe while you are relaxing in Central America and your office OpenVPN
server is running in Victoria.

After the network is setup and your stations attached, regardless where in
the world you are, it is just like being back in office. Any access you had
in the office you will have exactly the same even in Timbuktu. The
difference of course is that all access is within this extended  256/4096
bit encryption pipe.. Complete security. There are far more features
available, with OpenVPN, than just the ones I mentioned but you would have
to go to the following link for that information: http://openvpn.net/ 

Next question, you may ask is, "Do I know how to setup up such a system and
network?". Well no...not yet anyway. My system was setup via the brilliance
of my son-in-law but he took no more than an hour to setup an OpenVPN server
on the office Linux server and added a couple of remote laptop stations but
he said he just used most of the defaults.

Jim


From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Sat Apr 30 08:11:50 2011
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 09:11:50 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Not Sure Quite What I'm Dealing With Here - Update 1
In-Reply-To: <00cf01cc05fa$242773f0$6c765bd0$@winhaven.net>
References: <4DB98B96.6050208@torchlake.com>,
	<8B5D681B01D24D038C843ED203F68EB4@creativesystemdesigns.com><4DB9D841.16743.44B8B54@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<00cf01cc05fa$242773f0$6c765bd0$@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <4DBC0A96.6090506@torchlake.com>

I thought I would give you an update on what I have done, what has 
worked and what has not - and where I am now.  It will take more than 
one message, so as not to be too big.

When I first started in on this computer, my purpose was to re-establish 
its wireless connection to the printer.  That was what my grandkids were 
complaining about.
At startup, these messages consistently appeared:
1) SetPoint.exe - unable to locate component, failed to start because 
kemudb.dll was not found.
2) Vipre - reports the service is not running.
3) Windows Live Messenger - service temporarily unavailable - error 8007005

The SetPoint issue is probably because we swapped out the Logitech 
wireless keyboard that had multiple keys no longer functioning properly, 
so we plugged in a standard wired keyboard.  I simply unchecked the 
startup entry for that one.  It didn't interfere at all with the 
functioning of the wireless mouse.  After everything else is solved, 
I'll go back and find out what kemudb.dll really is.

The WirelessZeroConfig service was not running, so I started it., 
thinking that would help with both the Windows Live Messenger and the 
issue with reaching the printer. It did not.  I unchecked the Windows 
Live Messenger call from the startup list.

I attempted to launch Vipre and got the same message as at startup, that 
Vipre reported it was not running. 

At about this point I discovered that right-clicking any icon produced 
the Windows Installer "Preparing to Install" message box flashing on and 
off about three times before displaying the context menu.

I thought I would simply reinstall Vipre and do a good deep scan.  
Starting that process brought the message that Vipre was already 
installed and I would have to uninstall before reinstalling.  Using 
either the "Add or Remove" feature from Windows Control Panel, or the 
"Uninstall Vipre" feature produced the message that the Windows 
Installer could not be accessed, and that might be caused by trying to 
use it in safe mode, or by its being incorrectly installed. 

Microsoft's KB instructed me to launch a command window and unregister 
the installer and reregister it:
msiexec.exe /unregister
msiexec.exe /regserver
Then, it instructed me to edit the registry HKEY_CLASSES.ROOT - Edit > 
Permissions - if SYSTEM isn't in Group or User name to Add, and to check 
that the "From this location" box showed the local computer name.  All 
of that was already correct.

This did not solve the Windows Installer problem.  I was thinking that 
possibly a Windows update was corrupted and maybe just updating would 
fix it.  That's when I discovered that clicking the update link simply 
produced an hourglass, then, nothing.

At this point, I thought that perhaps a system restore would help.  I 
asked my grandkids when the symptoms had appeared.  They weren't sure, 
so I went back at least two months - did not make a note of the date.  I 
was then able to reach Windows update and did the updates that were waiting.

I went off to get MalwareBytes, downloaded it, and was able to install 
it.  I ran that at its deep level - found 54 infected items: 18 registry 
keys, 2 registry data items, 8 infected folders, and 26 infected files.  
The specific infections were: a) Adware.MySearchWeb, b) Adware.FunWeb, 
c) PUP.FunWebProducts, d) Trojan.Vundo, and e) 
PUM.Disabled.SecurityCenter.  After a couple of complete scans and 
cleanups, MalwareBytes reported no more infections.  However, in another 
forum (techspot.com), I ran across the likelihood that Vundo had not 
been completely defeated.  I downloaded VundoFix.exe and ran it - the 
resultant report showed no Vundo files.  At this point, I believe I am 
making progress.  [Continued in next message]


John Bartow wrote:
> Ditto on that
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
> Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 4:13 PM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Not Sure Quite What I'm Dealing With Here
>
> Better to grab a copy of ProcessExplorer and use that.  I've seen systems
> with TaskMgr 
> hijacked that I could still get into with ProcExp.   
>
> It tells you al lot more about what is going on.
>
> It also lets you suspend a bunch of processes and then close then down one
> at a time.  It's the only way to beat those nasties that run several
> instances under different names, all of which watch for each other and
> restart  any that are shut down.
>
> --
> Stuart
>   
>

From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Sat Apr 30 08:55:39 2011
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 09:55:39 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Not Sure Quite What I'm Dealing With Here - Update 2
In-Reply-To: <00cf01cc05fa$242773f0$6c765bd0$@winhaven.net>
References: <4DB98B96.6050208@torchlake.com>,
	<8B5D681B01D24D038C843ED203F68EB4@creativesystemdesigns.com><4DB9D841.16743.44B8B54@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<00cf01cc05fa$242773f0$6c765bd0$@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <4DBC14DB.3040907@torchlake.com>

[Continued from Update 1]

Having cleaned out the 54 infected items with MalwareBytes, I went back 
to trying to install Vipre.  Guess what!  Right back to "the Windows 
installer cannot be accessed."

I gave another go to the unregistering and reregistering trick.  No 
joy.  Tried another update - back to the houglass followed by nothing!

Found some more information on repairing the windows update agent - 
downloaded WindowsUpdateAgent30-x86.exe from 
support.microsot.com/KG/946929, and following instructions, placed it in 
the root, then ran it with the /wuforce switch.  This did not fix the 
problem.  Yes, I rebooted - it did not fix the problem.

Another bit of advice was to use the WinXP CD, and from the command line 
run sfc /scannow - to verify whether all the protected Windows files are 
intact and in their original versions.  Reboot.  Attempt to install 
Vipre - "installer cannot be accessed."

Next, I booted from the WinXP CD and ran the Repair Install.  After 
that, I tried again to go to Windows Update to bring this fresh 
installation of WinXP SP2 up to date, especially to get SP3 installed.  
Failed - hourglass, followed by nothing.  I ran 
WindowsUpdateAgent30-x86.exe /wuforce again - it failed with error 
0x80070020.  However, not I was able to reach the update site, with 
error 0x8.DDD0007 message that I must restart the computer before 
getting any more updates - turn off and install 5 updates.

Next, I did a Windows update search for ServicePack 3 - found and 
downloaded the ISO image file 
xpsp3_5512.080413-2113_usa_x86fre_spcd.iso, with which I created my SP3 
update CD.  I ran the SP3 update.  It did not complete - update.exe 
extended error code = 0xf200.  Received instruction to run dcomcnfg, 
attempting to verify DCOM security - expand Component Services > 
Computers.  When I attempted to expand the Computers folder, the whole 
Component Services window disappeared.  I repeated that effort enough 
times to note that it happened consistently.  I opened Admin Tools in 
the Control Panel, Computer Management - there is no entry for Local 
Users & Groups.

I tried the SP3 update CD again.  This time it said it did the job.

But, Windows Installer is still not accessed, so I still cannot 
re-install Vipre.  Clicking Windows Update link still produces an 
hourglass and nothing more.

Tried the hotfix for WindowsXP-KB942288-V3-x86.exe again, after making 
sure it was unblocked.  Reboot.  Try to install Vipre.  Installer cannot 
be accessed.
Tried the hotfix for WindowsUpdateAgent30-x86.exe /wuforce, after making 
sure it was unblocked.  Install failed with error 0x8007041d.

Going directly to the windows update site, rather than trying to connect 
through the link, I get through the "checking your system for the latest 
software" screen, to the "Express" or "Custom" install screen - where no 
matter which choice I select, I get the message to reset my Internet 
Security options - error 0x800A0046.  I check those settings and they 
are correct - they match exactly what I am instructed to set.  Even if I 
unset them and Apply - and reset them and Apply - with or without IE 
restarts - I get the same message from Windows Update.  The update 
window acknowledges that the computer is set for automatic updates - 
yet, it will not allow me to do any updates.

I've decided to go back to the beginning.  I'm running Spin-Rite on the 
computer right now, at level 4.  Once I get that finished, I'll do 
another Repair Install, followed immediately by an SP3 update, and see 
what I have at that point.  I'll keep you advised.  I'll welcome and 
appreciate any more thoughts you guys have on this. 

Thanks,
T

John Bartow wrote:
> Ditto on that
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
> Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 4:13 PM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Not Sure Quite What I'm Dealing With Here
>
> Better to grab a copy of ProcessExplorer and use that.  I've seen systems
> with TaskMgr 
> hijacked that I could still get into with ProcExp.   
>
> It tells you al lot more about what is going on.
>
> It also lets you suspend a bunch of processes and then close then down one
> at a time.  It's the only way to beat those nasties that run several
> instances under different names, all of which watch for each other and
> restart  any that are shut down.
>
> --
> Stuart
>
>   

From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Sat Apr 30 09:15:21 2011
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 10:15:21 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] The Commodore is not dead
In-Reply-To: <9A5D331BE9E741D8B2CC3A1263D89069@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <A0123C12CCAD489AB5A0BC97D2572112@salvationomc4p><000601cb9cc0$edb7ca10$c9275e30$@winhaven.net><09B4860970F14CB787149
	1B648C732D0@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<9A5D331BE9E741D8B2CC3A1263D89069@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <4DBC1979.30806@torchlake.com>

Dang!  I discarded all my Commodore stuff way too soon, I see.  Rats!
T

Jim Lawrence wrote:
> For all your old guys with a nostalgia bent here is a new Commodore (64).
>
> http://www.commodoreusa.net/CUSA_C64.aspx
>
> Jim
>
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>   

From accessd at shaw.ca  Sat Apr 30 10:41:51 2011
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 08:41:51 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] The Commodore is not dead
In-Reply-To: <4DBC1979.30806@torchlake.com>
References: <A0123C12CCAD489AB5A0BC97D2572112@salvationomc4p>
	<000601cb9cc0$edb7ca10$c9275e30$@winhaven.net>
	<"09B4860970F14CB787149 1B648C732D0"@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<9A5D331BE9E741D8B2CC3A1263D89069@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<4DBC1979.30806@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <4FD09EE7676D4EA6A9F6222136804B73@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Hey well no problem... just buy this new unit, download all your old C64
games as they are online and Bobs your uncle. Nostalgia bliss. ;-) 

Jim



-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris
Fields
Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2011 7:15 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] The Commodore is not dead

Dang!  I discarded all my Commodore stuff way too soon, I see.  Rats!
T

Jim Lawrence wrote:
> For all your old guys with a nostalgia bent here is a new Commodore (64).
>
> http://www.commodoreusa.net/CUSA_C64.aspx
>
> Jim
>
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>   
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From john at winhaven.net  Sat Apr 30 10:45:21 2011
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 10:45:21 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Not Sure Quite What I'm Dealing With Here - Update 2
In-Reply-To: <4DBC14DB.3040907@torchlake.com>
References: <4DB98B96.6050208@torchlake.com>,
	<8B5D681B01D24D038C843ED203F68EB4@creativesystemdesigns.com><4DB9D841.16743.44B8B54@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>	<00cf01cc05fa$242773f0$6c765bd0$@winhaven.net>
	<4DBC14DB.3040907@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <003301cc074d$9e236de0$da6a49a0$@winhaven.net>

Hi Tina,
At this point I think you should consider backing up any user files and
reinstalling Windows :o(

John B.
PS: When you can download Vipre Rescue from here:
http://live.sunbeltsoftware.com/Download/ copy it to a to a USB memory stick
and run it. It does not require the windows installer. I recommend you boot
into safe mode and run it from there. However, it won't fix all the windows
problems you are having.

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris
Fields
Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2011 8:56 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Not Sure Quite What I'm Dealing With Here - Update 2

[Continued from Update 1]

Having cleaned out the 54 infected items with MalwareBytes, I went back to
trying to install Vipre.  Guess what!  Right back to "the Windows installer
cannot be accessed."

I gave another go to the unregistering and reregistering trick.  No joy.
Tried another update - back to the houglass followed by nothing!

Found some more information on repairing the windows update agent -
downloaded WindowsUpdateAgent30-x86.exe from support.microsot.com/KG/946929,
and following instructions, placed it in the root, then ran it with the
/wuforce switch.  This did not fix the problem.  Yes, I rebooted - it did
not fix the problem.

Another bit of advice was to use the WinXP CD, and from the command line run
sfc /scannow - to verify whether all the protected Windows files are intact
and in their original versions.  Reboot.  Attempt to install Vipre -
"installer cannot be accessed."

Next, I booted from the WinXP CD and ran the Repair Install.  After that, I
tried again to go to Windows Update to bring this fresh installation of
WinXP SP2 up to date, especially to get SP3 installed.  
Failed - hourglass, followed by nothing.  I ran WindowsUpdateAgent30-x86.exe
/wuforce again - it failed with error 0x80070020.  However, not I was able
to reach the update site, with error 0x8.DDD0007 message that I must restart
the computer before getting any more updates - turn off and install 5
updates.

Next, I did a Windows update search for ServicePack 3 - found and downloaded
the ISO image file xpsp3_5512.080413-2113_usa_x86fre_spcd.iso, with which I
created my SP3 update CD.  I ran the SP3 update.  It did not complete -
update.exe extended error code = 0xf200.  Received instruction to run
dcomcnfg, attempting to verify DCOM security - expand Component Services >
Computers.  When I attempted to expand the Computers folder, the whole
Component Services window disappeared.  I repeated that effort enough times
to note that it happened consistently.  I opened Admin Tools in the Control
Panel, Computer Management - there is no entry for Local Users & Groups.

I tried the SP3 update CD again.  This time it said it did the job.

But, Windows Installer is still not accessed, so I still cannot re-install
Vipre.  Clicking Windows Update link still produces an hourglass and nothing
more.

Tried the hotfix for WindowsXP-KB942288-V3-x86.exe again, after making sure
it was unblocked.  Reboot.  Try to install Vipre.  Installer cannot be
accessed.
Tried the hotfix for WindowsUpdateAgent30-x86.exe /wuforce, after making
sure it was unblocked.  Install failed with error 0x8007041d.

Going directly to the windows update site, rather than trying to connect
through the link, I get through the "checking your system for the latest
software" screen, to the "Express" or "Custom" install screen - where no
matter which choice I select, I get the message to reset my Internet
Security options - error 0x800A0046.  I check those settings and they are
correct - they match exactly what I am instructed to set.  Even if I unset
them and Apply - and reset them and Apply - with or without IE restarts - I
get the same message from Windows Update.  The update window acknowledges
that the computer is set for automatic updates - yet, it will not allow me
to do any updates.

I've decided to go back to the beginning.  I'm running Spin-Rite on the
computer right now, at level 4.  Once I get that finished, I'll do another
Repair Install, followed immediately by an SP3 update, and see what I have
at that point.  I'll keep you advised.  I'll welcome and appreciate any more
thoughts you guys have on this. 

Thanks,
T

John Bartow wrote:
> Ditto on that
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart 
> McLachlan
> Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 4:13 PM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Not Sure Quite What I'm Dealing With Here
>
> Better to grab a copy of ProcessExplorer and use that.  I've seen 
> systems with TaskMgr
> hijacked that I could still get into with ProcExp.   
>
> It tells you al lot more about what is going on.
>
> It also lets you suspend a bunch of processes and then close then down 
> one at a time.  It's the only way to beat those nasties that run 
> several instances under different names, all of which watch for each 
> other and restart  any that are shut down.
>
> --
> Stuart
>
>   
_______________________________________________
dba-Tech mailing list
dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com


From ssharkins at gmail.com  Sat Apr 30 10:48:18 2011
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 11:48:18 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Not Sure Quite What I'm Dealing With Here - Update 2
References: <4DB98B96.6050208@torchlake.com>,
	<8B5D681B01D24D038C843ED203F68EB4@creativesystemdesigns.com><4DB9D841.16743.44B8B54@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>	<00cf01cc05fa$242773f0$6c765bd0$@winhaven.net><4DBC14DB.3040907@torchlake.com>
	<003301cc074d$9e236de0$da6a49a0$@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <7F33BE44CF96487DB28FEB293A1F9E26@SusanHarkins>

Tina, that sounds eerily similar to the problems I had last summer -- I 
couldn't even wipe the disc and reinstall Windows myself. Finally had to 
send it.

Susan H.


> Hi Tina,
> At this point I think you should consider backing up any user files and
> reinstalling Windows :o(
>
> John B.
> PS: When you can download Vipre Rescue from here:
> http://live.sunbeltsoftware.com/Download/ copy it to a to a USB memory 
> stick
> and run it. It does not require the windows installer. I recommend you 
> boot
> into safe mode and run it from there. However, it won't fix all the 
> windows
> problems you are having.
>
>
> Having cleaned out the 54 infected items with MalwareBytes, I went back to
> trying to install Vipre.  Guess what!  Right back to "the Windows 
> installer
> cannot be accessed."
>
> 


From accessd at shaw.ca  Sat Apr 30 11:54:31 2011
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 09:54:31 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Not Sure Quite What I'm Dealing With Here - Update 2
In-Reply-To: <4DBC14DB.3040907@torchlake.com>
References: <4DB98B96.6050208@torchlake.com>
	<8B5D681B01D24D038C843ED203F68EB4@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<4DB9D841.16743.44B8B54@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<00cf01cc05fa$242773f0$6c765bd0$@winhaven.net>
	<4DBC14DB.3040907@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <08B453AF0FE949CD91C24EB01029178E@creativesystemdesigns.com>

You do have a real problem there. As a systems support tech, I run into
similar issues all the time and at that point have to decide whether to
actually attempt to resolve the problem or re-image/re-install. (A client is
not going to pay for me to spend 4 to 6 hours fixing desktop and there is
just no way to do it fast or at least guarantee it fast.)

You have done all the appropriate surface diagnostics but those types of
processes can only go so far. If you do really want to solve the problem and
time is not that important then its time to start becoming serious and start
hacking.

The first test I would do is check to see whether the kernel has been
hacked. You can just download/run a rootkit scanner. Some of these apps
actually say they can repair the kernel but I tend to be suspicious. In most
cases if your kernel has been compromised it is time to re-install. 
http://www.techsupportalert.com/best-free-rootkit-scanner-remover.htm

The second problem is that apps can start in a dozen different places went
Windows boots so the moment you re-boot all the work you may have done is
just written over when some applications re-runs in the boot cycle and
replaces all your handy-work. Below is an excellent app for finding various
start points in a system and suggesting whether a start suspect or not. They
also have a forum dump review service that may suggest solutions. 
http://free.antivirus.com/hijackthis/

The third problem is that Windows uses a system of cascading to find some of
it components for an application. It does not necessarily do direct location
calls. This gives a hacker a chance to stick a fake component further up the
search chain. Finding and fixing this can be real grunt work. You have to
start looking for duplicate files...one may be real, a backup or a hidden
malware component. The app hackthis may supply you with a start point and
then you have to work down the cascading chain.
http://ask-leo.com/what_is_the_system_file_checker_and_how_do_i_run_it.html

There are a thousand services that will allow you to search a questionable
dll or executable and give you the location in a system where it should be
and the appropriate size. Here is one of many: http://www.file.net

Then there are some really deep bugs. Some malware can actually place itself
on a hard drive and mark its position as a bad track so it can never be
scanned or removed and all it needs is one of its' components to access it
directly...not even spinwrite will remove it. You can try some daring
tactics like making a file image of the computer on to a portable hard
drive, doing a full re-format of the drive, installing a fresh copy of
windows and restoring the file image. It has its risks but it will get most
everything that is hidden in drive tracks and boot sectors.
http://www.runtime.org/driveimage-xml.htm
 
HTH
Jim


 
-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris
Fields
Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2011 6:56 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Not Sure Quite What I'm Dealing With Here - Update 2

[Continued from Update 1]

Having cleaned out the 54 infected items with MalwareBytes, I went back 
to trying to install Vipre.  Guess what!  Right back to "the Windows 
installer cannot be accessed."

I gave another go to the unregistering and reregistering trick.  No 
joy.  Tried another update - back to the houglass followed by nothing!

Found some more information on repairing the windows update agent - 
downloaded WindowsUpdateAgent30-x86.exe from 
support.microsot.com/KG/946929, and following instructions, placed it in 
the root, then ran it with the /wuforce switch.  This did not fix the 
problem.  Yes, I rebooted - it did not fix the problem.

Another bit of advice was to use the WinXP CD, and from the command line 
run sfc /scannow - to verify whether all the protected Windows files are 
intact and in their original versions.  Reboot.  Attempt to install 
Vipre - "installer cannot be accessed."

Next, I booted from the WinXP CD and ran the Repair Install.  After 
that, I tried again to go to Windows Update to bring this fresh 
installation of WinXP SP2 up to date, especially to get SP3 installed.  
Failed - hourglass, followed by nothing.  I ran 
WindowsUpdateAgent30-x86.exe /wuforce again - it failed with error 
0x80070020.  However, not I was able to reach the update site, with 
error 0x8.DDD0007 message that I must restart the computer before 
getting any more updates - turn off and install 5 updates.

Next, I did a Windows update search for ServicePack 3 - found and 
downloaded the ISO image file 
xpsp3_5512.080413-2113_usa_x86fre_spcd.iso, with which I created my SP3 
update CD.  I ran the SP3 update.  It did not complete - update.exe 
extended error code = 0xf200.  Received instruction to run dcomcnfg, 
attempting to verify DCOM security - expand Component Services > 
Computers.  When I attempted to expand the Computers folder, the whole 
Component Services window disappeared.  I repeated that effort enough 
times to note that it happened consistently.  I opened Admin Tools in 
the Control Panel, Computer Management - there is no entry for Local 
Users & Groups.

I tried the SP3 update CD again.  This time it said it did the job.

But, Windows Installer is still not accessed, so I still cannot 
re-install Vipre.  Clicking Windows Update link still produces an 
hourglass and nothing more.

Tried the hotfix for WindowsXP-KB942288-V3-x86.exe again, after making 
sure it was unblocked.  Reboot.  Try to install Vipre.  Installer cannot 
be accessed.
Tried the hotfix for WindowsUpdateAgent30-x86.exe /wuforce, after making 
sure it was unblocked.  Install failed with error 0x8007041d.

Going directly to the windows update site, rather than trying to connect 
through the link, I get through the "checking your system for the latest 
software" screen, to the "Express" or "Custom" install screen - where no 
matter which choice I select, I get the message to reset my Internet 
Security options - error 0x800A0046.  I check those settings and they 
are correct - they match exactly what I am instructed to set.  Even if I 
unset them and Apply - and reset them and Apply - with or without IE 
restarts - I get the same message from Windows Update.  The update 
window acknowledges that the computer is set for automatic updates - 
yet, it will not allow me to do any updates.

I've decided to go back to the beginning.  I'm running Spin-Rite on the 
computer right now, at level 4.  Once I get that finished, I'll do 
another Repair Install, followed immediately by an SP3 update, and see 
what I have at that point.  I'll keep you advised.  I'll welcome and 
appreciate any more thoughts you guys have on this. 

Thanks,
T


From accessd at shaw.ca  Sat Apr 30 12:09:16 2011
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 10:09:16 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Why was the Amazon cloud service down across the country?
In-Reply-To: <347280D4C30C43518A56CA1C4BC53000@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <4DB98B96.6050208@torchlake.com>
	<347280D4C30C43518A56CA1C4BC53000@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <94C3C84E71DD47488A4D9B500E7A7E2C@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Amazon's cloud services have been down a few times and the last crash was
the biggest and covered much of the world. There have been no official
comments for Amazon and for good reason. Finally, an ex-tech from Reddit, no
longer under a gag order, has spoken out and the cause isn't pretty.

It appears that a majority of the problems are related to old and failing
equipment, which is too slow, can fail without warning and there is no
additional equipment for fail-over services. IOW Amazon is supplying a high
end service on a shoe-string budget and getting caught out...and apparently
not learning from their mistakes.

http://www.reddit.com/r/blog/comments/g66f0/why_reddit_was_down_for_6_of_the
_last_24_hours/c1l6ykx

Jim


From john at winhaven.net  Sat Apr 30 13:21:08 2011
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 13:21:08 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Not Sure Quite What I'm Dealing With Here - Update 2
In-Reply-To: <08B453AF0FE949CD91C24EB01029178E@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <4DB98B96.6050208@torchlake.com>	<8B5D681B01D24D038C843ED203F68EB4@creativesystemdesigns.com>	<4DB9D841.16743.44B8B54@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>	<00cf01cc05fa$242773f0$6c765bd0$@winhaven.net>	<4DBC14DB.3040907@torchlake.com>
	<08B453AF0FE949CD91C24EB01029178E@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <003a01cc0763$6090a270$21b1e750$@winhaven.net>

Just an FYI: Spinrite doesn't "remove" anything, or maybe more
appropriately, does its best not to remove anything (nothing is perfect ;-)
It is strictly a surface analysis/repair tool.

If there is a sector marked as bad that isn't, Spinrite will test the crap
out of it and mark it good if it really is. Since Spinrite runs under its
own OS and no longer runs within as OS, nothing can prevent it from doing
so.

-----Original Message-----

Then there are some really deep bugs. Some malware can actually place itself
on a hard drive and mark its position as a bad track so it can never be
scanned or removed and all it needs is one of its' components to access it
directly...not even spinwrite will remove it. You can try some daring
tactics like making a file image of the computer on to a portable hard
drive, doing a full re-format of the drive, installing a fresh copy of
windows and restoring the file image. It has its risks but it will get most
everything that is hidden in drive tracks and boot sectors.
http://www.runtime.org/driveimage-xml.htm
 


From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Sat Apr 30 16:04:28 2011
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 17:04:28 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Not Sure Quite What I'm Dealing With Here - Update 2
In-Reply-To: <003301cc074d$9e236de0$da6a49a0$@winhaven.net>
References: <4DB98B96.6050208@torchlake.com>,
	<8B5D681B01D24D038C843ED203F68EB4@creativesystemdesigns.com><4DB9D841.16743.44B8B54@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<00cf01cc05fa$242773f0$6c765bd0$@winhaven.net><4DBC14DB.3040907@torchlake.com>
	<003301cc074d$9e236de0$da6a49a0$@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <4DBC795C.80708@torchlake.com>

Ran Spin-Rite at level 4.  Am now reviewing user files and putting them 
away elsewhere.  Getting ready to do the Windows reinstallation.
Grateful for all the guidance.
T

John Bartow wrote:
> Hi Tina,
> At this point I think you should consider backing up any user files and
> reinstalling Windows :o(
>
> John B.
> PS: When you can download Vipre Rescue from here:
> http://live.sunbeltsoftware.com/Download/ copy it to a to a USB memory stick
> and run it. It does not require the windows installer. I recommend you boot
> into safe mode and run it from there. However, it won't fix all the windows
> problems you are having.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris
> Fields
> Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2011 8:56 AM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Not Sure Quite What I'm Dealing With Here - Update 2
>
> [Continued from Update 1]
>
> Having cleaned out the 54 infected items with MalwareBytes, I went back to
> trying to install Vipre.  Guess what!  Right back to "the Windows installer
> cannot be accessed."
>
> I gave another go to the unregistering and reregistering trick.  No joy.
> Tried another update - back to the houglass followed by nothing!
>
> Found some more information on repairing the windows update agent -
> downloaded WindowsUpdateAgent30-x86.exe from support.microsot.com/KG/946929,
> and following instructions, placed it in the root, then ran it with the
> /wuforce switch.  This did not fix the problem.  Yes, I rebooted - it did
> not fix the problem.
>
> Another bit of advice was to use the WinXP CD, and from the command line run
> sfc /scannow - to verify whether all the protected Windows files are intact
> and in their original versions.  Reboot.  Attempt to install Vipre -
> "installer cannot be accessed."
>
> Next, I booted from the WinXP CD and ran the Repair Install.  After that, I
> tried again to go to Windows Update to bring this fresh installation of
> WinXP SP2 up to date, especially to get SP3 installed.  
> Failed - hourglass, followed by nothing.  I ran WindowsUpdateAgent30-x86.exe
> /wuforce again - it failed with error 0x80070020.  However, not I was able
> to reach the update site, with error 0x8.DDD0007 message that I must restart
> the computer before getting any more updates - turn off and install 5
> updates.
>
> Next, I did a Windows update search for ServicePack 3 - found and downloaded
> the ISO image file xpsp3_5512.080413-2113_usa_x86fre_spcd.iso, with which I
> created my SP3 update CD.  I ran the SP3 update.  It did not complete -
> update.exe extended error code = 0xf200.  Received instruction to run
> dcomcnfg, attempting to verify DCOM security - expand Component Services >
> Computers.  When I attempted to expand the Computers folder, the whole
> Component Services window disappeared.  I repeated that effort enough times
> to note that it happened consistently.  I opened Admin Tools in the Control
> Panel, Computer Management - there is no entry for Local Users & Groups.
>
> I tried the SP3 update CD again.  This time it said it did the job.
>
> But, Windows Installer is still not accessed, so I still cannot re-install
> Vipre.  Clicking Windows Update link still produces an hourglass and nothing
> more.
>
> Tried the hotfix for WindowsXP-KB942288-V3-x86.exe again, after making sure
> it was unblocked.  Reboot.  Try to install Vipre.  Installer cannot be
> accessed.
> Tried the hotfix for WindowsUpdateAgent30-x86.exe /wuforce, after making
> sure it was unblocked.  Install failed with error 0x8007041d.
>
> Going directly to the windows update site, rather than trying to connect
> through the link, I get through the "checking your system for the latest
> software" screen, to the "Express" or "Custom" install screen - where no
> matter which choice I select, I get the message to reset my Internet
> Security options - error 0x800A0046.  I check those settings and they are
> correct - they match exactly what I am instructed to set.  Even if I unset
> them and Apply - and reset them and Apply - with or without IE restarts - I
> get the same message from Windows Update.  The update window acknowledges
> that the computer is set for automatic updates - yet, it will not allow me
> to do any updates.
>
> I've decided to go back to the beginning.  I'm running Spin-Rite on the
> computer right now, at level 4.  Once I get that finished, I'll do another
> Repair Install, followed immediately by an SP3 update, and see what I have
> at that point.  I'll keep you advised.  I'll welcome and appreciate any more
> thoughts you guys have on this. 
>
> Thanks,
> T
>
> John Bartow wrote:
>   
>> Ditto on that
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart 
>> McLachlan
>> Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 4:13 PM
>> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Not Sure Quite What I'm Dealing With Here
>>
>> Better to grab a copy of ProcessExplorer and use that.  I've seen 
>> systems with TaskMgr
>> hijacked that I could still get into with ProcExp.   
>>
>> It tells you al lot more about what is going on.
>>
>> It also lets you suspend a bunch of processes and then close then down 
>> one at a time.  It's the only way to beat those nasties that run 
>> several instances under different names, all of which watch for each 
>> other and restart  any that are shut down.
>>
>> --
>> Stuart
>>
>>   
>>     
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From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Sat Apr 30 16:40:53 2011
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 17:40:53 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Not Sure Quite What I'm Dealing With Here - Update 2
In-Reply-To: <08B453AF0FE949CD91C24EB01029178E@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <4DB98B96.6050208@torchlake.com><8B5D681B01D24D038C843ED203F68EB4@creativesystemdesigns.com><4DB9D841.16743.44B8B54@s
	tuart.lexacorp.com.pg><00cf01cc05fa$242773f0$6c765bd0$@winhaven.net><4DBC14DB.3040907@torchlake.com>
	<08B453AF0FE949CD91C24EB01029178E@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <4DBC81E5.9060504@torchlake.com>

Fascinating information, Jim.  I am going to download a rootkit scanner, 
for sure and add that trick to my "tool box."  Thank you for all the 
guidance.  It's my kids and grandkids' computer.  Time doesn't matter.  
I'll let you all know what more I find out before I simply reinstall 
Windows.

T

Jim Lawrence wrote:
> You do have a real problem there. As a systems support tech, I run into
> similar issues all the time and at that point have to decide whether to
> actually attempt to resolve the problem or re-image/re-install. (A client is
> not going to pay for me to spend 4 to 6 hours fixing desktop and there is
> just no way to do it fast or at least guarantee it fast.)
>
> You have done all the appropriate surface diagnostics but those types of
> processes can only go so far. If you do really want to solve the problem and
> time is not that important then its time to start becoming serious and start
> hacking.
>
> The first test I would do is check to see whether the kernel has been
> hacked. You can just download/run a rootkit scanner. Some of these apps
> actually say they can repair the kernel but I tend to be suspicious. In most
> cases if your kernel has been compromised it is time to re-install. 
> http://www.techsupportalert.com/best-free-rootkit-scanner-remover.htm
>
> The second problem is that apps can start in a dozen different places went
> Windows boots so the moment you re-boot all the work you may have done is
> just written over when some applications re-runs in the boot cycle and
> replaces all your handy-work. Below is an excellent app for finding various
> start points in a system and suggesting whether a start suspect or not. They
> also have a forum dump review service that may suggest solutions. 
> http://free.antivirus.com/hijackthis/
>
> The third problem is that Windows uses a system of cascading to find some of
> it components for an application. It does not necessarily do direct location
> calls. This gives a hacker a chance to stick a fake component further up the
> search chain. Finding and fixing this can be real grunt work. You have to
> start looking for duplicate files...one may be real, a backup or a hidden
> malware component. The app hackthis may supply you with a start point and
> then you have to work down the cascading chain.
> http://ask-leo.com/what_is_the_system_file_checker_and_how_do_i_run_it.html
>
> There are a thousand services that will allow you to search a questionable
> dll or executable and give you the location in a system where it should be
> and the appropriate size. Here is one of many: http://www.file.net
>
> Then there are some really deep bugs. Some malware can actually place itself
> on a hard drive and mark its position as a bad track so it can never be
> scanned or removed and all it needs is one of its' components to access it
> directly...not even spinwrite will remove it. You can try some daring
> tactics like making a file image of the computer on to a portable hard
> drive, doing a full re-format of the drive, installing a fresh copy of
> windows and restoring the file image. It has its risks but it will get most
> everything that is hidden in drive tracks and boot sectors.
> http://www.runtime.org/driveimage-xml.htm
>  
> HTH
> Jim
>
>
>  
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris
> Fields
> Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2011 6:56 AM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Not Sure Quite What I'm Dealing With Here - Update 2
>
> [Continued from Update 1]
>
> Having cleaned out the 54 infected items with MalwareBytes, I went back 
> to trying to install Vipre.  Guess what!  Right back to "the Windows 
> installer cannot be accessed."
>
> I gave another go to the unregistering and reregistering trick.  No 
> joy.  Tried another update - back to the houglass followed by nothing!
>
> Found some more information on repairing the windows update agent - 
> downloaded WindowsUpdateAgent30-x86.exe from 
> support.microsot.com/KG/946929, and following instructions, placed it in 
> the root, then ran it with the /wuforce switch.  This did not fix the 
> problem.  Yes, I rebooted - it did not fix the problem.
>
> Another bit of advice was to use the WinXP CD, and from the command line 
> run sfc /scannow - to verify whether all the protected Windows files are 
> intact and in their original versions.  Reboot.  Attempt to install 
> Vipre - "installer cannot be accessed."
>
> Next, I booted from the WinXP CD and ran the Repair Install.  After 
> that, I tried again to go to Windows Update to bring this fresh 
> installation of WinXP SP2 up to date, especially to get SP3 installed.  
> Failed - hourglass, followed by nothing.  I ran 
> WindowsUpdateAgent30-x86.exe /wuforce again - it failed with error 
> 0x80070020.  However, not I was able to reach the update site, with 
> error 0x8.DDD0007 message that I must restart the computer before 
> getting any more updates - turn off and install 5 updates.
>
> Next, I did a Windows update search for ServicePack 3 - found and 
> downloaded the ISO image file 
> xpsp3_5512.080413-2113_usa_x86fre_spcd.iso, with which I created my SP3 
> update CD.  I ran the SP3 update.  It did not complete - update.exe 
> extended error code = 0xf200.  Received instruction to run dcomcnfg, 
> attempting to verify DCOM security - expand Component Services > 
> Computers.  When I attempted to expand the Computers folder, the whole 
> Component Services window disappeared.  I repeated that effort enough 
> times to note that it happened consistently.  I opened Admin Tools in 
> the Control Panel, Computer Management - there is no entry for Local 
> Users & Groups.
>
> I tried the SP3 update CD again.  This time it said it did the job.
>
> But, Windows Installer is still not accessed, so I still cannot 
> re-install Vipre.  Clicking Windows Update link still produces an 
> hourglass and nothing more.
>
> Tried the hotfix for WindowsXP-KB942288-V3-x86.exe again, after making 
> sure it was unblocked.  Reboot.  Try to install Vipre.  Installer cannot 
> be accessed.
> Tried the hotfix for WindowsUpdateAgent30-x86.exe /wuforce, after making 
> sure it was unblocked.  Install failed with error 0x8007041d.
>
> Going directly to the windows update site, rather than trying to connect 
> through the link, I get through the "checking your system for the latest 
> software" screen, to the "Express" or "Custom" install screen - where no 
> matter which choice I select, I get the message to reset my Internet 
> Security options - error 0x800A0046.  I check those settings and they 
> are correct - they match exactly what I am instructed to set.  Even if I 
> unset them and Apply - and reset them and Apply - with or without IE 
> restarts - I get the same message from Windows Update.  The update 
> window acknowledges that the computer is set for automatic updates - 
> yet, it will not allow me to do any updates.
>
> I've decided to go back to the beginning.  I'm running Spin-Rite on the 
> computer right now, at level 4.  Once I get that finished, I'll do 
> another Repair Install, followed immediately by an SP3 update, and see 
> what I have at that point.  I'll keep you advised.  I'll welcome and 
> appreciate any more thoughts you guys have on this. 
>
> Thanks,
> T
>
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sat Apr 30 21:11:33 2011
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 19:11:33 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Not Sure Quite What I'm Dealing With Here - Update 2
In-Reply-To: <003a01cc0763$6090a270$21b1e750$@winhaven.net>
References: <4DB98B96.6050208@torchlake.com>
	<8B5D681B01D24D038C843ED203F68EB4@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<4DB9D841.16743.44B8B54@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<00cf01cc05fa$242773f0$6c765bd0$@winhaven.net>
	<4DBC14DB.3040907@torchlake.com>
	<08B453AF0FE949CD91C24EB01029178E@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<003a01cc0763$6090a270$21b1e750$@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <862423AC772E4B3DA9885622E97CB8A9@creativesystemdesigns.com>

True, but Spinrite does not clear any data as you said and once the OS
starts up again, if a piece of malware is/was 'hidden' in some position on
the hard drive, it is just re-tagged as a bad track and the app carries on.
There was an article on the whole process of these new super bugs but I can
not even remember when and where I read it, but I will definitely post it if
it appears up.

Jim



-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow
Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2011 11:21 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Not Sure Quite What I'm Dealing With Here - Update 2

Just an FYI: Spinrite doesn't "remove" anything, or maybe more
appropriately, does its best not to remove anything (nothing is perfect ;-)
It is strictly a surface analysis/repair tool.

If there is a sector marked as bad that isn't, Spinrite will test the crap
out of it and mark it good if it really is. Since Spinrite runs under its
own OS and no longer runs within as OS, nothing can prevent it from doing
so.

-----Original Message-----

Then there are some really deep bugs. Some malware can actually place itself
on a hard drive and mark its position as a bad track so it can never be
scanned or removed and all it needs is one of its' components to access it
directly...not even spinwrite will remove it. You can try some daring
tactics like making a file image of the computer on to a portable hard
drive, doing a full re-format of the drive, installing a fresh copy of
windows and restoring the file image. It has its risks but it will get most
everything that is hidden in drive tracks and boot sectors.
http://www.runtime.org/driveimage-xml.htm
 

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From john at winhaven.net  Sat Apr 30 22:51:31 2011
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 22:51:31 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Not Sure Quite What I'm Dealing With Here - Update 2
In-Reply-To: <862423AC772E4B3DA9885622E97CB8A9@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <4DB98B96.6050208@torchlake.com>	<8B5D681B01D24D038C843ED203F68EB4@creativesystemdesigns.com>	<4DB9D841.16743.44B8B54@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>	<00cf01cc05fa$242773f0$6c765bd0$@winhaven.net>	<4DBC14DB.3040907@torchlake.com>	<08B453AF0FE949CD91C24EB01029178E@creativesystemdesigns.com>	<003a01cc0763$6090a270$21b1e750$@winhaven.net>
	<862423AC772E4B3DA9885622E97CB8A9@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <006801cc07b3$0f2a42b0$2d7ec810$@winhaven.net>

I understand what you're saying. I just wasn't sure if you knew what
Spinrite was for (hey, not everyone uses the same tools). Just as some of us
use HiJack This! and some use Autoruns. 

Please do post if you find discussions on these. I've probably read them
before but it never hurts to read them again as this is stuff I have to deal
with constantly, just as you probably have to :o(

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2011 9:12 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Not Sure Quite What I'm Dealing With Here - Update 2

True, but Spinrite does not clear any data as you said and once the OS
starts up again, if a piece of malware is/was 'hidden' in some position on
the hard drive, it is just re-tagged as a bad track and the app carries on.
There was an article on the whole process of these new super bugs but I can
not even remember when and where I read it, but I will definitely post it if
it appears up.


From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon Apr  4 15:47:58 2011
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2011 13:47:58 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] New Keyboard
Message-ID: <7322D559B4FD46F79935454267878582@HAL9005>

Dear Lists:
 
My keyboard crapped out so I just got a new MS wireless (Wireless Keyboard
1000) which has a lot of nice features.  But one of the features that's not
so nice is that the F5 key is assigned to open a folder and the F8 key to
forward an email.  I use those keys a lot in debugging code - Continue and
single line step.
 
Does anyone know how to set them to do that?
 
MTIA
 
Rocky
 


From garykjos at gmail.com  Mon Apr  4 16:01:34 2011
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2011 16:01:34 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] New Keyboard
In-Reply-To: <1188568F72C340918EE361688D046E6A@HAL9005>
References: <7322D559B4FD46F79935454267878582@HAL9005>
	<1188568F72C340918EE361688D046E6A@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <BANLkTinAjoEQuhnhiB7jGtw0jcwZA0OgNg@mail.gmail.com>

Ah the magic of the lists.....

GK

On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 3:53 PM, Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:
> Never mind - found it. ?F-Lock key.
>
> R
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-ot-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-ot-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
> Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 1:48 PM
> To: List; 'Off Topic'
> Subject: [dba-OT] New Keyboard
>
> Dear Lists:
>
> My keyboard crapped out so I just got a new MS wireless (Wireless Keyboard
> 1000) which has a lot of nice features. ?But one of the features that's not
> so nice is that the F5 key is assigned to open a folder and the F8 key to
> forward an email. ?I use those keys a lot in debugging code - Continue and
> single line step.
>
> Does anyone know how to set them to do that?
>
> MTIA
>
> Rocky
>
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-- 
Gary Kjos
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon Apr  4 16:05:26 2011
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2011 14:05:26 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] New Keyboard
In-Reply-To: <7322D559B4FD46F79935454267878582@HAL9005>
References: <7322D559B4FD46F79935454267878582@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <B50DA8A3D14B4D969D8E37EA94A7C9DA@HAL9005>

Never mind.  Found it.  F-Lock key.

Rocky
 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 1:48 PM
To: List; 'Off Topic'
Subject: [dba-Tech] New Keyboard

Dear Lists:
 
My keyboard crapped out so I just got a new MS wireless (Wireless Keyboard
1000) which has a lot of nice features.  But one of the features that's not
so nice is that the F5 key is assigned to open a folder and the F8 key to
forward an email.  I use those keys a lot in debugging code - Continue and
single line step.
 
Does anyone know how to set them to do that?
 
MTIA
 
Rocky
 
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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Apr  5 05:35:25 2011
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2011 12:35:25 +0200
Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 8, Metro and modern UI
Message-ID: <sd9b0c96.072@cactus.dk>

Hi all

The ideas and early screenshots seem more promising than I first thought:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zqGXWnYe_U

http://www.winrumors.com/windows-8-metro-ui-welcome-screen-and-ribbon-screenshots-leak/
http://www.winrumors.com/windows-8s-real-metro-ui-is-immersive-tablet-experience/
http://www.winrumors.com/windows-8-immersive-tablet-tile-ui-and-pdf-reader-revealed/
http://www.winrumors.com/new-windows-8-screenshots-leak-including-updated-wallpaper/

Based on the ideas of Metro as it is (the UI of Windows Phone 7), the design principles of this is very clever reading:

  Clean, Light, Open and Fast
  Alive in Motion
  Celebrate Typography
  Content, Not Chrome
  Authentically Digital

http://windowsteamblog.com/windows_phone/b/wpdev/archive/2011/02/16/from-transportation-to-pixels.aspx 

which also might indicate which direction future UIs will follow. It should be a good inspiration for design of UI for your own apps as well!

/gustav




From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Apr  5 12:47:38 2011
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2011 10:47:38 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 8, Metro and modern UI
In-Reply-To: <sd9b0c96.072@cactus.dk>
References: <sd9b0c96.072@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <0B83A3EE0FDC4839B506AFFA025B107D@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Hi Gustav:

The new designs looks (more like sounds) really interesting. I like that
they are going more towards a flat and clean design with an emphasis on
transitions. The only issues, especially if you are working with web based
applications is the font options. 

There is only so much you can do with half dozen standard internal fonts you
will find on every computer/browser as even the most fancy CSS has it
limitations...and just downloading font images is not the answer if you
application is going international.

I have been working with this coding to allow a wider range of fonts to be
deployed but there has to be a judicious trade off in performance and there
is a limited set of size options. 

http://www.960development.com/how-to-write-cross-browser-font-face-syntax/

Jim



-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 3:35 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com; dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 8, Metro and modern UI

Hi all

The ideas and early screenshots seem more promising than I first thought:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zqGXWnYe_U

http://www.winrumors.com/windows-8-metro-ui-welcome-screen-and-ribbon-screen
shots-leak/
http://www.winrumors.com/windows-8s-real-metro-ui-is-immersive-tablet-experi
ence/
http://www.winrumors.com/windows-8-immersive-tablet-tile-ui-and-pdf-reader-r
evealed/
http://www.winrumors.com/new-windows-8-screenshots-leak-including-updated-wa
llpaper/

Based on the ideas of Metro as it is (the UI of Windows Phone 7), the design
principles of this is very clever reading:

  Clean, Light, Open and Fast
  Alive in Motion
  Celebrate Typography
  Content, Not Chrome
  Authentically Digital

http://windowsteamblog.com/windows_phone/b/wpdev/archive/2011/02/16/from-tra
nsportation-to-pixels.aspx 

which also might indicate which direction future UIs will follow. It should
be a good inspiration for design of UI for your own apps as well!

/gustav


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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Wed Apr  6 13:50:30 2011
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2011 14:50:30 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 7 Administrator
Message-ID: <BANLkTikztB519RQmSOBEDNyvseNabML-8Q@mail.gmail.com>

I'm trying to install a piece of software that demands that I have
administrative rights. I am the only user on the computer. The list of users
includes only "Arthur". Is the Administrator button hidden, and if so how
can I reveal it, and if not, how do I get to my user permissions page so I
can grant myself admin rights?

TIA,
Arthur


From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Wed Apr  6 13:58:17 2011
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2011 14:58:17 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] A really cool site
Message-ID: <BANLkTim8W8bDJUY7MXZyuRt0Hqd0k9g8QQ@mail.gmail.com>

I was turned on to a really cool site this morning. Unlike Google or
Wikipedia or Yahoo Answers, which you always approach with a question, Clue
DB just displays random solutions. The former approach often leads to
disappointment and frustration, while the latter approach teaches you
something new on virtually every visit, so you walk away with an improved
life.

In Ontario, it is required that you compost your vegetable matter etc., and
the government gives you a little bucket to store it in while it's in your
kitchen. Problem is, it starts to smell before it's full. Today's tip (for
me) was a neat solution to this minor problem: store the bucket in your
freezer until it's full, then take its bag to your outdoor composter. I
never thought of that!

Hardly a life-changer, but indicative of the cool tricks this site provides.
Drop by and check it out: http://www.cluedb.com/.

Arthur


From df.waters at comcast.net  Wed Apr  6 14:05:03 2011
From: df.waters at comcast.net (Dan Waters)
Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2011 14:05:03 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] A really cool site
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTim8W8bDJUY7MXZyuRt0Hqd0k9g8QQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BANLkTim8W8bDJUY7MXZyuRt0Hqd0k9g8QQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <007901cbf48d$899c2970$9cd47c50$@comcast.net>

OK - it's my home page for now!

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 1:58 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] A really cool site

I was turned on to a really cool site this morning. Unlike Google or
Wikipedia or Yahoo Answers, which you always approach with a question, Clue
DB just displays random solutions. The former approach often leads to
disappointment and frustration, while the latter approach teaches you
something new on virtually every visit, so you walk away with an improved
life.

In Ontario, it is required that you compost your vegetable matter etc., and
the government gives you a little bucket to store it in while it's in your
kitchen. Problem is, it starts to smell before it's full. Today's tip (for
me) was a neat solution to this minor problem: store the bucket in your
freezer until it's full, then take its bag to your outdoor composter. I
never thought of that!

Hardly a life-changer, but indicative of the cool tricks this site provides.
Drop by and check it out: http://www.cluedb.com/.

Arthur
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From EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us  Wed Apr  6 15:22:56 2011
From: EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us (Tesiny, Ed)
Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2011 16:22:56 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 7 Administrator
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTikztB519RQmSOBEDNyvseNabML-8Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BANLkTikztB519RQmSOBEDNyvseNabML-8Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F7F17F79CF2A60418DC957FA11069BC703792EE3@ALBMX2K3.rt.oasas.state.ny.us>

Arthur,
I believe that would be in the Control Panel-->User Accounts

Ed Tesiny
EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us 
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[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur
Fuller
Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 2:51 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 7 Administrator

I'm trying to install a piece of software that demands that I have
administrative rights. I am the only user on the computer. The list of
users
includes only "Arthur". Is the Administrator button hidden, and if so
how
can I reveal it, and if not, how do I get to my user permissions page so
I
can grant myself admin rights?

TIA,
Arthur
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From james at fcidms.com  Wed Apr  6 16:51:12 2011
From: james at fcidms.com (James Barash)
Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2011 14:51:12 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 7 Administrator
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTikztB519RQmSOBEDNyvseNabML-8Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BANLkTikztB519RQmSOBEDNyvseNabML-8Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E5DE8186FC70CE41861FA7BC8D01CD0B120B087E27@VA3DIAXVS431.RED001.local>

Arthur:

If you right-click on the installation program for the software (setup.exe or whatever it is called), you should see an option to "Run as administrator". Assuming your user is an administrator, and it should be if you are the only user, this should run with all the correct permissions. I've run into that a few times and this has always worked for me.

Hope it helps.

James Barash


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 2:51 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 7 Administrator

I'm trying to install a piece of software that demands that I have administrative rights. I am the only user on the computer. The list of users includes only "Arthur". Is the Administrator button hidden, and if so how can I reveal it, and if not, how do I get to my user permissions page so I can grant myself admin rights?

TIA,
Arthur
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Apr  6 20:46:50 2011
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2011 18:46:50 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] A really cool site
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTim8W8bDJUY7MXZyuRt0Hqd0k9g8QQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BANLkTim8W8bDJUY7MXZyuRt0Hqd0k9g8QQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F59DA07ECDCB4403BBC247CB90739EE2@creativesystemdesigns.com>

That is a very interesting site. It will be added to the Bookmarks.

Jim



-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 11:58 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] A really cool site

I was turned on to a really cool site this morning. Unlike Google or
Wikipedia or Yahoo Answers, which you always approach with a question, Clue
DB just displays random solutions. The former approach often leads to
disappointment and frustration, while the latter approach teaches you
something new on virtually every visit, so you walk away with an improved
life.

In Ontario, it is required that you compost your vegetable matter etc., and
the government gives you a little bucket to store it in while it's in your
kitchen. Problem is, it starts to smell before it's full. Today's tip (for
me) was a neat solution to this minor problem: store the bucket in your
freezer until it's full, then take its bag to your outdoor composter. I
never thought of that!

Hardly a life-changer, but indicative of the cool tricks this site provides.
Drop by and check it out: http://www.cluedb.com/.

Arthur
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Apr  7 12:02:01 2011
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2011 10:02:01 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Android Is Destroying Everyone
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTim8W8bDJUY7MXZyuRt0Hqd0k9g8QQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BANLkTim8W8bDJUY7MXZyuRt0Hqd0k9g8QQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <325BE69FC2564347BB7F608DD8B9FEDA@creativesystemdesigns.com>


I would not say iPhone is dead in the water, just that they are loosing
ground to Android. Mind you everyone is lossing ground to Android:

http://www.businessinsider.com/android-iphone-market-share-2011-4

" The Android gains matter because technology platform markets tend to
standardize around a single dominant platform (see Windows in PCs, Facebook
in social, Google in search). And the more dominant the platform becomes,
the more valuable it becomes and the harder it becomes to dislodge. The
network effect kicks in, and developers building products designed to work
with the platform devote more and more of their energy to the platform. The
reward for building and working with other platforms, meanwhile, drops, and
gradually developers stop developing for them.

Importantly, it's not a question of which platform is "better." (This is
irrelevant.) It's a question of which platform everyone else uses.  And
increasingly, in the smartphone market, barring a radical change in trend,
that's Android.

So that's why Android's gains matter. And, yes, Apple fans should be scared
to death about them. "

Google may have created a near perfect business model and that model has the
potential of consuming not only the Cell phone market but with the eventual
release of the ChromeOS desktop.

" .Google has organized this defensive play with precision. Carriers and
handset makers that use Android are given economics to do so. The Android
version of the "AppStore" shares the majority of its economics with the
carrier and handset makers. Once again, they are not building a business,
they are building a moat (sorry for the repetitiveness, it's intentional).
Because they are "giving away" money to use their product, this creates a
rather substantial conundrum for someone trying to extract economic rent for
a competitive product in the same market.

This is the part that amazes me the most. I don't know if a large organized
industry has ever faced this fierce a form of competition - someone who is
not trying to "win" in the classic sense. They want market share, but they
don't need economics. Imagine if Ford were faced with GM paying people to
take Chevrolets? How many would they be able to sell? What if you received
$0.10 for every free Pepsi you consumed? Would you still pay $1.50 for a
Coke?... "
 
http://abovethecrowd.com/2011/03/24/freight-train-that-is-android/

Microsoft may have been described as the Borg but Google more closely fits
that description given their business model and implementation. Other
business may not even be able to compete as who can beat Free?

Jim



From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Thu Apr  7 12:06:59 2011
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2011 13:06:59 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 7 Administrator
In-Reply-To: <E5DE8186FC70CE41861FA7BC8D01CD0B120B087E27@VA3DIAXVS431.RED001.local>
References: <BANLkTikztB519RQmSOBEDNyvseNabML-8Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<E5DE8186FC70CE41861FA7BC8D01CD0B120B087E27@VA3DIAXVS431.RED001.local>
Message-ID: <BANLkTimu-vvREAaCv2YqSVnU9cYWsu0nuA@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks. I'll experiment and report back.

On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 5:51 PM, James Barash <james at fcidms.com> wrote:

> Arthur:
>
> If you right-click on the installation program for the software (setup.exe
> or whatever it is called), you should see an option to "Run as
> administrator". Assuming your user is an administrator, and it should be if
> you are the only user, this should run with all the correct permissions.
> I've run into that a few times and this has always worked for me.
>
> Hope it helps.
>
> James Barash
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:
> dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
> Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 2:51 PM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 7 Administrator
>
>  I'm trying to install a piece of software that demands that I have
> administrative rights. I am the only user on the computer. The list of users
> includes only "Arthur". Is the Administrator button hidden, and if so how
> can I reveal it, and if not, how do I get to my user permissions page so I
> can grant myself admin rights?
>
> TIA,
> Arthur
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From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Thu Apr  7 12:16:39 2011
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2011 18:16:39 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Android Is Destroying Everyone
Message-ID: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB08295470AB96642@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk>

I use win phone 7. Really impressed

Martin

Sent from my Windows Phone

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Lawrence
Sent: 07 April 2011 18:02
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'; 'Off Topic'
Subject: [dba-Tech] Android Is Destroying Everyone


I would not say iPhone is dead in the water, just that they are loosing
ground to Android. Mind you everyone is lossing ground to Android:

http://www.businessinsider.com/android-iphone-market-share-2011-4

" The Android gains matter because technology platform markets tend to
standardize around a single dominant platform (see Windows in PCs, Facebook
in social, Google in search). And the more dominant the platform becomes,
the more valuable it becomes and the harder it becomes to dislodge. The
network effect kicks in, and developers building products designed to work
with the platform devote more and more of their energy to the platform. The
reward for building and working with other platforms, meanwhile, drops, and
gradually developers stop developing for them.

Importantly, it's not a question of which platform is "better." (This is
irrelevant.) It's a question of which platform everyone else uses.  And
increasingly, in the smartphone market, barring a radical change in trend,
that's Android.

So that's why Android's gains matter. And, yes, Apple fans should be scared
to death about them. "

Google may have created a near perfect business model and that model has the
potential of consuming not only the Cell phone market but with the eventual
release of the ChromeOS desktop.

" .Google has organized this defensive play with precision. Carriers and
handset makers that use Android are given economics to do so. The Android
version of the "AppStore" shares the majority of its economics with the
carrier and handset makers. Once again, they are not building a business,
they are building a moat (sorry for the repetitiveness, it's intentional).
Because they are "giving away" money to use their product, this creates a
rather substantial conundrum for someone trying to extract economic rent for
a competitive product in the same market.

This is the part that amazes me the most. I don't know if a large organized
industry has ever faced this fierce a form of competition - someone who is
not trying to "win" in the classic sense. They want market share, but they
don't need economics. Imagine if Ford were faced with GM paying people to
take Chevrolets? How many would they be able to sell? What if you received
$0.10 for every free Pepsi you consumed? Would you still pay $1.50 for a
Coke?... "

http://abovethecrowd.com/2011/03/24/freight-train-that-is-android/

Microsoft may have been described as the Borg but Google more closely fits
that description given their business model and implementation. Other
business may not even be able to compete as who can beat Free?

Jim

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Apr  7 15:59:09 2011
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2011 13:59:09 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Android Is Destroying Everyone
In-Reply-To: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB08295470AB96642@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk>
References: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB08295470AB96642@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <DE1A0B15554F4A74BCB74A4E13535F75@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Hi Martin:

It may be a good product but simple business sense say go with the money.

Jim



-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Martin Reid
Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2011 10:17 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Android Is Destroying Everyone

I use win phone 7. Really impressed

Martin

Sent from my Windows Phone

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Lawrence
Sent: 07 April 2011 18:02
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'; 'Off Topic'
Subject: [dba-Tech] Android Is Destroying Everyone


I would not say iPhone is dead in the water, just that they are loosing
ground to Android. Mind you everyone is lossing ground to Android:

http://www.businessinsider.com/android-iphone-market-share-2011-4

" The Android gains matter because technology platform markets tend to
standardize around a single dominant platform (see Windows in PCs, Facebook
in social, Google in search). And the more dominant the platform becomes,
the more valuable it becomes and the harder it becomes to dislodge. The
network effect kicks in, and developers building products designed to work
with the platform devote more and more of their energy to the platform. The
reward for building and working with other platforms, meanwhile, drops, and
gradually developers stop developing for them.

Importantly, it's not a question of which platform is "better." (This is
irrelevant.) It's a question of which platform everyone else uses.  And
increasingly, in the smartphone market, barring a radical change in trend,
that's Android.

So that's why Android's gains matter. And, yes, Apple fans should be scared
to death about them. "

Google may have created a near perfect business model and that model has the
potential of consuming not only the Cell phone market but with the eventual
release of the ChromeOS desktop.

" .Google has organized this defensive play with precision. Carriers and
handset makers that use Android are given economics to do so. The Android
version of the "AppStore" shares the majority of its economics with the
carrier and handset makers. Once again, they are not building a business,
they are building a moat (sorry for the repetitiveness, it's intentional).
Because they are "giving away" money to use their product, this creates a
rather substantial conundrum for someone trying to extract economic rent for
a competitive product in the same market.

This is the part that amazes me the most. I don't know if a large organized
industry has ever faced this fierce a form of competition - someone who is
not trying to "win" in the classic sense. They want market share, but they
don't need economics. Imagine if Ford were faced with GM paying people to
take Chevrolets? How many would they be able to sell? What if you received
$0.10 for every free Pepsi you consumed? Would you still pay $1.50 for a
Coke?... "

http://abovethecrowd.com/2011/03/24/freight-train-that-is-android/

Microsoft may have been described as the Borg but Google more closely fits
that description given their business model and implementation. Other
business may not even be able to compete as who can beat Free?

Jim

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From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Thu Apr  7 16:11:35 2011
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2011 22:11:35 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Android Is Destroying Everyone
In-Reply-To: <DE1A0B15554F4A74BCB74A4E13535F75@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB08295470AB96642@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk>,
	<DE1A0B15554F4A74BCB74A4E13535F75@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB08295470AB9664A@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk>

Hi Jim

Never bothers me really. Long as it does what I need its fine. I don't use all these apps etc. It has Office installed, works with SharePoint and Exchange and that's all I need really, Think I have sold my soul to Bill (<: In saying all that its paid for by work which sort of limits choice!

Martin


Martin WP Reid
Information Services
The McClay Library
Queen's University of Belfast
10 College Park
Belfast BT7 1LP
Tel : 02890976174
Email : mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk
Sharepoint Training Portal


From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Apr  7 17:40:50 2011
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2011 15:40:50 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Android Is Destroying Everyone
In-Reply-To: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB08295470AB9664A@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk>
References: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB08295470AB96642@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk>
	<DE1A0B15554F4A74BCB74A4E13535F75@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB08295470AB9664A@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <AEACB399BC5F41F89135F4F8FF6532F4@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Hi Martin:

You have a free source and a limit on your requirements so in your situation
I would do the same thing.

Jim



-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Martin Reid
Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2011 2:12 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Android Is Destroying Everyone

Hi Jim

Never bothers me really. Long as it does what I need its fine. I don't use
all these apps etc. It has Office installed, works with SharePoint and
Exchange and that's all I need really, Think I have sold my soul to Bill (<:
In saying all that its paid for by work which sort of limits choice!

Martin


Martin WP Reid
Information Services
The McClay Library
Queen's University of Belfast
10 College Park
Belfast BT7 1LP
Tel : 02890976174
Email : mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk
Sharepoint Training Portal
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From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Fri Apr  8 06:56:04 2011
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2011 07:56:04 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] A really cool site
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTim8W8bDJUY7MXZyuRt0Hqd0k9g8QQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BANLkTim8W8bDJUY7MXZyuRt0Hqd0k9g8QQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4D9EF7D4.6050609@torchlake.com>

Very nice!
T

Arthur Fuller wrote:
> I was turned on to a really cool site this morning. Unlike Google or
> Wikipedia or Yahoo Answers, which you always approach with a question, Clue
> DB just displays random solutions. The former approach often leads to
> disappointment and frustration, while the latter approach teaches you
> something new on virtually every visit, so you walk away with an improved
> life.
>
> In Ontario, it is required that you compost your vegetable matter etc., and
> the government gives you a little bucket to store it in while it's in your
> kitchen. Problem is, it starts to smell before it's full. Today's tip (for
> me) was a neat solution to this minor problem: store the bucket in your
> freezer until it's full, then take its bag to your outdoor composter. I
> never thought of that!
>
> Hardly a life-changer, but indicative of the cool tricks this site provides.
> Drop by and check it out: http://www.cluedb.com/.
>
> Arthur
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>   


From listmaster at databaseadvisors.com  Sat Apr  9 20:50:16 2011
From: listmaster at databaseadvisors.com (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2011 21:50:16 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Administrivia - DBA Server Downtime
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTim6-QJN-JJhaJU5G3kmWP6ASzh1jg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BANLkTim6-QJN-JJhaJU5G3kmWP6ASzh1jg@mail.gmail.com>
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From john at winhaven.net  Mon Apr 11 14:36:02 2011
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 14:36:02 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Command line: move
Message-ID: <00de01cbf87f$b1739c30$145ad490$@winhaven.net>

Hi all,
I recall that some of you use the windows command line quite a bit yet.

Can someone tell me what the command line would be to move all folders and
files contained in a specific folder to another drive? 

It's Something I want to do it a batch files and schedule for archiving
purposes.

TIA John B.



From phil.rosenkranz at co.yakima.wa.us  Mon Apr 11 14:43:42 2011
From: phil.rosenkranz at co.yakima.wa.us (Phil Rosenkranz)
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 12:43:42 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Command line: move
In-Reply-To: <00de01cbf87f$b1739c30$145ad490$@winhaven.net>
References: <00de01cbf87f$b1739c30$145ad490$@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <DDFDEC66080CE043BEF7242750D424690724EB6770@ntx7>

Say you have a file at X:\ named FILE.TXT. To move it to the E:\ drive, SAVED folder, type the entire path from the target file X:\FILE.TXT and the entire path to the destination E:\SAVED. The command would look like MOVE X:\FILE.TXT E:\SAVED\

Phil

>From the HELP files...

C:\>help move
Moves files and renames files and directories.

To move one or more files:
MOVE [/Y | /-Y] [drive:][path]filename1[,...] destination

To rename a directory:
MOVE [/Y | /-Y] [drive:][path]dirname1 dirname2

  [drive:][path]filename1 Specifies the location and name of the file
                          or files you want to move.
  destination             Specifies the new location of the file. Destination
                          can consist of a drive letter and colon, a
                          directory name, or a combination. If you are moving
                          only one file, you can also include a filename if
                          you want to rename the file when you move it.
  [drive:][path]dirname1  Specifies the directory you want to rename.
  dirname2                Specifies the new name of the directory.

  /Y                      Suppresses prompting to confirm you want to
                          overwrite an existing destination file.
  /-Y                     Causes prompting to confirm you want to overwrite
                          an existing destination file.

The switch /Y may be present in the COPYCMD environment variable.
This may be overridden with /-Y on the command line.  Default is
to prompt on overwrites unless MOVE command is being executed from
within a batch script.



> On Behalf Of John Bartow
> 
> Hi all,
> I recall that some of you use the windows command line quite a bit yet.
> 
> Can someone tell me what the command line would be to move all folders and
> files contained in a specific folder to another drive?
> 
> It's Something I want to do it a batch files and schedule for archiving
> purposes.
> 
> TIA John B.



From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Apr 11 15:09:56 2011
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 13:09:56 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Command line: move
In-Reply-To: <00de01cbf87f$b1739c30$145ad490$@winhaven.net>
References: <00de01cbf87f$b1739c30$145ad490$@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <9D1E0F1E2512419AA2C89870D906C8EC@creativesystemdesigns.com>

I would tend to do the move in two steps:

First copy the contents to the other drive:
Xcopy c:\source e:\source /s /v

...and then remove the source location once the copy has been completed and
validated.

Del c:\source /s

HTH
Jim



-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow
Sent: Monday, April 11, 2011 12:36 PM
To: DBA-Tech
Subject: [dba-Tech] Command line: move

Hi all,
I recall that some of you use the windows command line quite a bit yet.

Can someone tell me what the command line would be to move all folders and
files contained in a specific folder to another drive? 

It's Something I want to do it a batch files and schedule for archiving
purposes.

TIA John B.

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From marklbreen at gmail.com  Tue Apr 12 05:10:19 2011
From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen)
Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2011 11:10:19 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Command line: move
In-Reply-To: <9D1E0F1E2512419AA2C89870D906C8EC@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <00de01cbf87f$b1739c30$145ad490$@winhaven.net>
	<9D1E0F1E2512419AA2C89870D906C8EC@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <BANLkTinO_ZmD8zXkODtZxQKy8v7CTCaJ0w@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Jim,

>>I would tend to do the move in two steps:

So would I,

Actually, I would xcopy it first, then I would xcopy a second version to a
USB stick,

then before I delete the files, I would consider that I what I really need
is version control for my files.

Then I would download and install  Mercurial and install it and get it
working.

Then... I would start to consider that what I really, really should do is
have an off - site version of Mercurial , so that my versions are safe in
case of fire, flood or burglary.

Once I have gone this far, and start to think of all the stuff I want
off-site and backed up (350 GB or so), I realise that what I really is an
Amazon S3 solution for Mercurial.

About that time, my wife will call me for dinner and I will make a brief
note "Move Files"

Thats my world anyway :)

Mark




On 11 April 2011 21:09, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> I would tend to do the move in two steps:
>
> First copy the contents to the other drive:
> Xcopy c:\source e:\source /s /v
>
> ...and then remove the source location once the copy has been completed and
> validated.
>
> Del c:\source /s
>
> HTH
> Jim
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow
> Sent: Monday, April 11, 2011 12:36 PM
> To: DBA-Tech
> Subject: [dba-Tech] Command line: move
>
> Hi all,
> I recall that some of you use the windows command line quite a bit yet.
>
> Can someone tell me what the command line would be to move all folders and
> files contained in a specific folder to another drive?
>
> It's Something I want to do it a batch files and schedule for archiving
> purposes.
>
> TIA John B.
>
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From john at winhaven.net  Wed Apr 13 15:21:03 2011
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 15:21:03 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Command line: move
In-Reply-To: <00de01cbf87f$b1739c30$145ad490$@winhaven.net>
References: <00de01cbf87f$b1739c30$145ad490$@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <015c01cbfa18$4ffe8330$effb8990$@winhaven.net>

Thanks all. If I might bug you one more time - how would I only move the
files that are older than the present day?



From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Wed Apr 13 15:42:47 2011
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 06:42:47 +1000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Command line: move
In-Reply-To: <015c01cbfa18$4ffe8330$effb8990$@winhaven.net>
References: <00de01cbf87f$b1739c30$145ad490$@winhaven.net>,
	<015c01cbfa18$4ffe8330$effb8990$@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <4DA60AC7.24627.28BE90EF@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

If you are running Vista, Win7  or Win Server 2008, you could use Robocopy:

Robocopy  "C:\My Files" "E:\My Files_Backup" /MOVE /D /MINAGE:1

Enter "Robocopy /?" at a command prompt for a full list of options.

-- 
Stuart


On 13 Apr 2011 at 15:21, John Bartow wrote:

> Thanks all. If I might bug you one more time - how would I only move
> the files that are older than the present day?
> 
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
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> 





From john at winhaven.net  Wed Apr 13 16:22:23 2011
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 16:22:23 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Command line: move
In-Reply-To: <4DA60AC7.24627.28BE90EF@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <00de01cbf87f$b1739c30$145ad490$@winhaven.net>,
	<015c01cbfa18$4ffe8330$effb8990$@winhaven.net>
	<4DA60AC7.24627.28BE90EF@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <016901cbfa20$e1804b10$a480e130$@winhaven.net>

Thanks Stuart!
I hadn't heard about that command before. This is actually for WinXP but
everything I'm doing will eventually end up on Win7 also.

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2011 3:43 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Command line: move

If you are running Vista, Win7  or Win Server 2008, you could use Robocopy:

Robocopy  "C:\My Files" "E:\My Files_Backup" /MOVE /D /MINAGE:1

Enter "Robocopy /?" at a command prompt for a full list of options.

-- 
Stuart


On 13 Apr 2011 at 15:21, John Bartow wrote:

> Thanks all. If I might bug you one more time - how would I only move
> the files that are older than the present day?
> 
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Wed Apr 13 16:38:37 2011
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 07:38:37 +1000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Command line: move
In-Reply-To: <016901cbfa20$e1804b10$a480e130$@winhaven.net>
References: <00de01cbf87f$b1739c30$145ad490$@winhaven.net>,
	<4DA60AC7.24627.28BE90EF@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>,
	<016901cbfa20$e1804b10$a480e130$@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <4DA617DD.30012.28F1AF48@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

For XP, you'll have to get Robocopy from the Windows Resource Kit.

You can download it from Microsoft  (11MB) at: 
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/en/details.aspx?familyid=9d467a69-57ff-4ae7-96ee-b18
c4790cffd&displaylang=en

Short URL: http://goo.gl/C3Lze

-- 
Stuart

On 13 Apr 2011 at 16:22, John Bartow wrote:

> Thanks Stuart!
> I hadn't heard about that command before. This is actually for WinXP
> but everything I'm doing will eventually end up on Win7 also.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart
> McLachlan Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2011 3:43 PM To: Discussion of
> Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Command line:
> move
> 
> If you are running Vista, Win7  or Win Server 2008, you could use
> Robocopy:
> 
> Robocopy  "C:\My Files" "E:\My Files_Backup" /MOVE /D /MINAGE:1
> 
> Enter "Robocopy /?" at a command prompt for a full list of options.
> 
> -- 
> Stuart
> 
> 
> On 13 Apr 2011 at 15:21, John Bartow wrote:
> 
> > Thanks all. If I might bug you one more time - how would I only move
> > the files that are older than the present day?
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > dba-Tech mailing list
> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
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> > 
> 
> 
> 
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Apr 13 17:12:33 2011
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 15:12:33 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Command line: move
In-Reply-To: <015c01cbfa18$4ffe8330$effb8990$@winhaven.net>
References: <00de01cbf87f$b1739c30$145ad490$@winhaven.net>
	<015c01cbfa18$4ffe8330$effb8990$@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <8079B795EF5449F6A3BA48EA6C45F98E@creativesystemdesigns.com>

You can also use the the following xcopy switch:

/D:mm-dd-yyyy
                Copy files that have changed since mm-dd-yyyy.
                (files changed on or after the specified date)
                If no date is given, the default is 1 day ago
                (files changed on or after 00:01 yesterday.)

Jim


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow
Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2011 1:21 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Command line: move

Thanks all. If I might bug you one more time - how would I only move the
files that are older than the present day?

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Apr 13 17:17:06 2011
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 15:17:06 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Command line: move
In-Reply-To: <4DA617DD.30012.28F1AF48@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <00de01cbf87f$b1739c30$145ad490$@winhaven.net>
	<4DA60AC7.24627.28BE90EF@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<016901cbfa20$e1804b10$a480e130$@winhaven.net>
	<4DA617DD.30012.28F1AF48@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <D84E2D6838204B2F9285B6AB0F73E0F0@creativesystemdesigns.com>

And for a quick list of switches: http://ss64.com/nt/robocopy.html

Jim



-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2011 2:39 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Command line: move

For XP, you'll have to get Robocopy from the Windows Resource Kit.

You can download it from Microsoft  (11MB) at: 
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/en/details.aspx?familyid=9d467a69-57ff-4a
e7-96ee-b18
c4790cffd&displaylang=en

Short URL: http://goo.gl/C3Lze

-- 
Stuart

On 13 Apr 2011 at 16:22, John Bartow wrote:

> Thanks Stuart!
> I hadn't heard about that command before. This is actually for WinXP
> but everything I'm doing will eventually end up on Win7 also.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart
> McLachlan Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2011 3:43 PM To: Discussion of
> Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Command line:
> move
> 
> If you are running Vista, Win7  or Win Server 2008, you could use
> Robocopy:
> 
> Robocopy  "C:\My Files" "E:\My Files_Backup" /MOVE /D /MINAGE:1
> 
> Enter "Robocopy /?" at a command prompt for a full list of options.
> 
> -- 
> Stuart
> 
> 
> On 13 Apr 2011 at 15:21, John Bartow wrote:
> 
> > Thanks all. If I might bug you one more time - how would I only move
> > the files that are older than the present day?
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > dba-Tech mailing list
> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
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> > 
> 
> 
> 
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Wed Apr 13 17:16:38 2011
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 08:16:38 +1000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Command line: move
In-Reply-To: <8079B795EF5449F6A3BA48EA6C45F98E@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <00de01cbf87f$b1739c30$145ad490$@winhaven.net>,
	<015c01cbfa18$4ffe8330$effb8990$@winhaven.net>,
	<8079B795EF5449F6A3BA48EA6C45F98E@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <4DA620C6.14339.29147FF0@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

He wanted files than have NOT changed since a certain date.
/D only copies newer files, not older files.

-- 
Stuart


On 13 Apr 2011 at 15:12, Jim Lawrence wrote:

> You can also use the the following xcopy switch:
> 
> /D:mm-dd-yyyy
>                 Copy files that have changed since mm-dd-yyyy.
>                 (files changed on or after the specified date)
>                 If no date is given, the default is 1 day ago
>                 (files changed on or after 00:01 yesterday.)
> 
> Jim
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John
> Bartow Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2011 1:21 PM To: 'Discussion of
> Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Command line:
> move
> 
> Thanks all. If I might bug you one more time - how would I only move
> the files that are older than the present day?
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Apr 13 17:22:33 2011
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 15:22:33 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Command line: move
In-Reply-To: <4DA620C6.14339.29147FF0@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <00de01cbf87f$b1739c30$145ad490$@winhaven.net>
	<015c01cbfa18$4ffe8330$effb8990$@winhaven.net>
	<8079B795EF5449F6A3BA48EA6C45F98E@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<4DA620C6.14339.29147FF0@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <6F47AC6F2D174BAB9770AF47D8289188@creativesystemdesigns.com>

No - minus alternative (/-D)? Have not tested this of course. ;-)

Jim



-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2011 3:17 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Command line: move

He wanted files than have NOT changed since a certain date.
/D only copies newer files, not older files.

-- 
Stuart


On 13 Apr 2011 at 15:12, Jim Lawrence wrote:

> You can also use the the following xcopy switch:
> 
> /D:mm-dd-yyyy
>                 Copy files that have changed since mm-dd-yyyy.
>                 (files changed on or after the specified date)
>                 If no date is given, the default is 1 day ago
>                 (files changed on or after 00:01 yesterday.)
> 
> Jim
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John
> Bartow Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2011 1:21 PM To: 'Discussion of
> Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Command line:
> move
> 
> Thanks all. If I might bug you one more time - how would I only move
> the files that are older than the present day?
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Apr 14 01:26:36 2011
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 23:26:36 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Is there a move from Microsoft?
In-Reply-To: <4DA617DD.30012.28F1AF48@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <00de01cbf87f$b1739c30$145ad490$@winhaven.net>
	<4DA60AC7.24627.28BE90EF@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<016901cbfa20$e1804b10$a480e130$@winhaven.net>
	<4DA617DD.30012.28F1AF48@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <CB9241FAA1B745128487CC3DFDF2A2E8@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Someone sent me a link today matching his experiences and obviously the
experience of the person posting the following link. Is the Apple OS the new
Windows for the young computer literate?

http://tinyurl.com/63rpglg

Is MS Windows dead or at least dying?

I posted an email, maybe a few years or so ago stating that Microsoft
Windows had serious problems because the OS was just a re-build version of a
single PC software package. Approximately, 4 years ago the Mac OS was in the
same position with their platform having roots of a single user, single
tasking and a non networkable product.

When an OS has that type of heritage there is no way to fix it. Microsoft is
now realizing it but they are too proud to admit it and they are paying
substantial for that pride.

So I say to Microsoft, just bail on your OS, pick some version of Unix/Linux
and write a nice presentation interface. FreeBSD is a good choice, as it
license, does not require changes to it, to be shared or be brave and choose
Debian or Redhat Linux, another excellent choice. It could look just like
Windows 7 or 8 with a special different. It would be ultra stable,
absolutely secure, fully multi-tasking, multi-user and it would interface
with every other major OS the planet.

Jim



From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Thu Apr 14 08:09:55 2011
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 06:09:55 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Is there a move from Microsoft?
In-Reply-To: <CB9241FAA1B745128487CC3DFDF2A2E8@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <00de01cbf87f$b1739c30$145ad490$@winhaven.net><4DA60AC7.24627.28BE90EF@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg><016901cbfa20$e1804b10$a480e130$@winhaven.net><4DA617DD.30012.28F1AF48@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<CB9241FAA1B745128487CC3DFDF2A2E8@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <6A8673FABD644CB4AD65C48DA97D653B@HAL9005>

But would it run Access?

R
 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2011 11:27 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: [dba-Tech] Is there a move from Microsoft?

Someone sent me a link today matching his experiences and obviously the
experience of the person posting the following link. Is the Apple OS the new
Windows for the young computer literate?

http://tinyurl.com/63rpglg

Is MS Windows dead or at least dying?

I posted an email, maybe a few years or so ago stating that Microsoft
Windows had serious problems because the OS was just a re-build version of a
single PC software package. Approximately, 4 years ago the Mac OS was in the
same position with their platform having roots of a single user, single
tasking and a non networkable product.

When an OS has that type of heritage there is no way to fix it. Microsoft is
now realizing it but they are too proud to admit it and they are paying
substantial for that pride.

So I say to Microsoft, just bail on your OS, pick some version of Unix/Linux
and write a nice presentation interface. FreeBSD is a good choice, as it
license, does not require changes to it, to be shared or be brave and choose
Debian or Redhat Linux, another excellent choice. It could look just like
Windows 7 or 8 with a special different. It would be ultra stable,
absolutely secure, fully multi-tasking, multi-user and it would interface
with every other major OS the planet.

Jim

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Apr 14 12:21:51 2011
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 10:21:51 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Is there a move from Microsoft?
In-Reply-To: <6A8673FABD644CB4AD65C48DA97D653B@HAL9005>
References: <00de01cbf87f$b1739c30$145ad490$@winhaven.net>
	<4DA60AC7.24627.28BE90EF@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<016901cbfa20$e1804b10$a480e130$@winhaven.net>
	<4DA617DD.30012.28F1AF48@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<CB9241FAA1B745128487CC3DFDF2A2E8@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<6A8673FABD644CB4AD65C48DA97D653B@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <DB5D1639F381449EB14667A8495073B3@creativesystemdesigns.com>

My Ubuntu computer can do so there is no reason why not. There are many ways
to accomplish this.

First a Mac can run Windows 7 (http://www.apple.com/macosx/compatibility/);
it is just too bad that with SP1 not even Windows can run Access. ;-) There
is also a program called Parallel that will switch from Mac to Windows and
back again.

The free open-source program Wine
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q564OEmseXE) can run Windows programs on
Ubuntu Linux. The app use to be fairly unstable but I have been told it is a
lot better now. There is also a host of emulators out there. A few years ago
I installed Wine on our Ubuntu box and ran Access 2000 just fine but I did
not do extensive testing.

The old favourite is VMware as the price is right and it supports all OSs on
it and being in virtual mode it tends to not be so prone to security issues.
I have a client who is running her applications (Not Access) in a virtual
drive on her laptop computer. When her host computer became infected the VD
was the only application running just fine. 

Jim


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2011 6:10 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Is there a move from Microsoft?

But would it run Access?

R
 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2011 11:27 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: [dba-Tech] Is there a move from Microsoft?

Someone sent me a link today matching his experiences and obviously the
experience of the person posting the following link. Is the Apple OS the new
Windows for the young computer literate?

http://tinyurl.com/63rpglg

Is MS Windows dead or at least dying?

I posted an email, maybe a few years or so ago stating that Microsoft
Windows had serious problems because the OS was just a re-build version of a
single PC software package. Approximately, 4 years ago the Mac OS was in the
same position with their platform having roots of a single user, single
tasking and a non networkable product.

When an OS has that type of heritage there is no way to fix it. Microsoft is
now realizing it but they are too proud to admit it and they are paying
substantial for that pride.

So I say to Microsoft, just bail on your OS, pick some version of Unix/Linux
and write a nice presentation interface. FreeBSD is a good choice, as it
license, does not require changes to it, to be shared or be brave and choose
Debian or Redhat Linux, another excellent choice. It could look just like
Windows 7 or 8 with a special different. It would be ultra stable,
absolutely secure, fully multi-tasking, multi-user and it would interface
with every other major OS the planet.

Jim

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Apr 14 14:02:18 2011
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 12:02:18 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Is there a move from Microsoft?
In-Reply-To: <6A8673FABD644CB4AD65C48DA97D653B@HAL9005>
References: <00de01cbf87f$b1739c30$145ad490$@winhaven.net>
	<4DA60AC7.24627.28BE90EF@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<016901cbfa20$e1804b10$a480e130$@winhaven.net>
	<4DA617DD.30012.28F1AF48@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<CB9241FAA1B745128487CC3DFDF2A2E8@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<6A8673FABD644CB4AD65C48DA97D653B@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <039360FF595D4D88993A34D93179D759@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Here is something your son may be interesting in. ;-)

http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/microsoft_kinect_sdk_future_of_windows.
php

Jim



-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2011 6:10 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Is there a move from Microsoft?

But would it run Access?

R
 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2011 11:27 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: [dba-Tech] Is there a move from Microsoft?

Someone sent me a link today matching his experiences and obviously the
experience of the person posting the following link. Is the Apple OS the new
Windows for the young computer literate?

http://tinyurl.com/63rpglg

Is MS Windows dead or at least dying?

I posted an email, maybe a few years or so ago stating that Microsoft
Windows had serious problems because the OS was just a re-build version of a
single PC software package. Approximately, 4 years ago the Mac OS was in the
same position with their platform having roots of a single user, single
tasking and a non networkable product.

When an OS has that type of heritage there is no way to fix it. Microsoft is
now realizing it but they are too proud to admit it and they are paying
substantial for that pride.

So I say to Microsoft, just bail on your OS, pick some version of Unix/Linux
and write a nice presentation interface. FreeBSD is a good choice, as it
license, does not require changes to it, to be shared or be brave and choose
Debian or Redhat Linux, another excellent choice. It could look just like
Windows 7 or 8 with a special different. It would be ultra stable,
absolutely secure, fully multi-tasking, multi-user and it would interface
with every other major OS the planet.

Jim

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From john at winhaven.net  Thu Apr 14 15:21:16 2011
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 15:21:16 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Command line: move
In-Reply-To: <4DA60AC7.24627.28BE90EF@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <00de01cbf87f$b1739c30$145ad490$@winhaven.net>,
	<015c01cbfa18$4ffe8330$effb8990$@winhaven.net>
	<4DA60AC7.24627.28BE90EF@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <002c01cbfae1$8252ef50$86f8cdf0$@winhaven.net>

Hi Stuart,
I'm testing this out and have found that I need to modify it a bit from your
suggestion in order to have move all subdirectories I had to add  /E switch.
And the /D switch came up invalid. So I'm just guessing it was a typo and
you meant to type /E ;o)

Robocopy "D:\Toolbox" "U:\Toolbox" /MOVE /E /MINAGE:1

Thanks again!

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2011 3:43 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Command line: move

If you are running Vista, Win7  or Win Server 2008, you could use Robocopy:

Robocopy  "C:\My Files" "E:\My Files_Backup" /MOVE /D /MINAGE:1

Enter "Robocopy /?" at a command prompt for a full list of options.

-- 
Stuart


On 13 Apr 2011 at 15:21, John Bartow wrote:

> Thanks all. If I might bug you one more time - how would I only move
> the files that are older than the present day?
> 
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Apr 14 15:52:17 2011
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 13:52:17 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Using HTML5 and a Toutorial
In-Reply-To: <039360FF595D4D88993A34D93179D759@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <00de01cbf87f$b1739c30$145ad490$@winhaven.net>
	<4DA60AC7.24627.28BE90EF@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<016901cbfa20$e1804b10$a480e130$@winhaven.net>
	<4DA617DD.30012.28F1AF48@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<CB9241FAA1B745128487CC3DFDF2A2E8@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<6A8673FABD644CB4AD65C48DA97D653B@HAL9005>
	<039360FF595D4D88993A34D93179D759@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <66F78F1B22CA46D4AA40959F9B8D928D@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Here is a simply tutorial on HTML 5 and how to use the Canvas feature. The
similarities with results from this implementation of HTML 5 and LINQ are
easy to see.

http://www.html5canvastutorials.com/advanced/html5-canvas-advanced-tutorials
-introduction/

Jim



From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Apr 15 12:15:39 2011
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2011 10:15:39 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] A simple SAN solution for testing or those on a tight
	budget
In-Reply-To: <66F78F1B22CA46D4AA40959F9B8D928D@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <00de01cbf87f$b1739c30$145ad490$@winhaven.net>
	<4DA60AC7.24627.28BE90EF@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<016901cbfa20$e1804b10$a480e130$@winhaven.net>
	<4DA617DD.30012.28F1AF48@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<CB9241FAA1B745128487CC3DFDF2A2E8@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<6A8673FABD644CB4AD65C48DA97D653B@HAL9005>
	<039360FF595D4D88993A34D93179D759@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<66F78F1B22CA46D4AA40959F9B8D928D@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <049FB6E50CB84994A7BF3601B9D3D849@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Microsoft now has a free SAN type solution for us who need to test before we
deploy and for small businesses on very limited budgets.

See the following article:

http://blogs.technet.com/b/canitpro/archive/2011/04/05/the-microsoft-iscsi-s
oftware-target-is-now-free.aspx

..and the all important download link with its quick product summary and
installation tips. The only restriction is that you must have a Sever2008 R2
but if you have had access to a Technet subscription or that your company is
part of computer support you already do.

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/en/details.aspx?FamilyID=45105d7f-8c6c-46
66-a305-c8189062a0d0

Jim



From peter.brawley at earthlink.net  Fri Apr 15 18:55:05 2011
From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley)
Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2011 18:55:05 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Using HTML5 and a Toutorial
In-Reply-To: <66F78F1B22CA46D4AA40959F9B8D928D@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <00de01cbf87f$b1739c30$145ad490$@winhaven.net>	<4DA60AC7.24627.28BE90EF@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>	<016901cbfa20$e1804b10$a480e130$@winhaven.net>	<4DA617DD.30012.28F1AF48@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>	<CB9241FAA1B745128487CC3DFDF2A2E8@creativesystemdesigns.com>	<6A8673FABD644CB4AD65C48DA97D653B@HAL9005>	<039360FF595D4D88993A34D93179D759@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<66F78F1B22CA46D4AA40959F9B8D928D@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <4DA8DAD9.3080104@earthlink.net>

Very nice. Works beautifully in FF4, Chrome Safari, not in IE8, what a 
surprise.

PB

On 4/14/2011 3:52 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote:
> Here is a simply tutorial on HTML 5 and how to use the Canvas feature. The
> similarities with results from this implementation of HTML 5 and LINQ are
> easy to see.
>
> http://www.html5canvastutorials.com/advanced/html5-canvas-advanced-tutorials
> -introduction/
>
> Jim
>
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From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Fri Apr 15 22:23:44 2011
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2011 23:23:44 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] New router network puzzle
Message-ID: <4DA90BC0.5000508@torchlake.com>

Hi All,

I have a broadband internet network consisting of the antenna, POE, 
router0, cabled router1, cabled router2, two computers wireless 
connected to router1, and 3 computers wireless connected to router2.

Router0 is at the POE, router1 and router2 actually serve as wireless 
access points.  All was fine until router0 crapped out today.  (I'd been 
having performance issues for weeks, but thought it was with the ISP.)  
All three routers were D-Link DL 514.  I bought a new NetGear WNDR3400 
to replace router0.  Now, comes the issue.  It wants to establish its 
own network - which for the nonce I have allowed, because that got me 
back online.  I want it to join the existing network - using the SSID I 
already have established.  How do I do that?  I tried just changing its 
SSID name and feeding it my WEP key.  It said that SSID already existed 
and refused.  How do I coax the new router to join the old network and 
take over for the old router that crapped out?

Thanks,
T


From gustav at cactus.dk  Sat Apr 16 12:29:01 2011
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2011 19:29:01 +0200
Subject: [dba-Tech] A simple SAN solution for testing or those on
	a	tight budget
Message-ID: <sda9ee23.035@cactus.dk>

Hi Jim

This is great news!
The third party solutions for Windows are either very expensive or very limited, and those for Linux and Solaris are ugly to administer for a Windows guy and a nigthmare to install and - if not expensive - somewhat limited.

Thanks for posting this!
By the way, the comprehensive Technet documentation is here:

http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/gg232606(WS.10).aspx

/gustav


>>> accessd at shaw.ca 15-04-2011 19:15 >>>
Microsoft now has a free SAN type solution for us who need to test before we
deploy and for small businesses on very limited budgets.

See the following article:

http://blogs.technet.com/b/canitpro/archive/2011/04/05/the-microsoft-iscsi-software-target-is-now-free.aspx

..and the all important download link with its quick product summary and
installation tips. The only restriction is that you must have a Sever2008 R2
but if you have had access to a Technet subscription or that your company is
part of computer support you already do.

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/en/details.aspx?FamilyID=45105d7f-8c6c-4666-a305-c8189062a0d0

Jim




From accessd at shaw.ca  Sat Apr 16 22:20:40 2011
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2011 20:20:40 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] New router network puzzle
In-Reply-To: <4DA90BC0.5000508@torchlake.com>
References: <4DA90BC0.5000508@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <04007F39680943789317263EE1C8237F@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Hi Tina:

Sorry for not getting back to you sooner but it has been crazy here...a
client network crash, coding is well behind and the grass just keeps growing
and the gardens are not finished yet... |-P

It seems like a fairly complex configuration. Was router 0 connected to a
PoE switch? Are all the routers Broadband? 

It does seem that your little network is maybe a little rich on routers. At
quick glance I can not see why Router 0 is needed. A switch (or hubs) should
be more the adequate. As you have a number of Routers all except one must
have the DNS turned off; each will have a different IP address, within a
single range (192.168.111.1, 192.168.111.2 etc.), but the same subnet mask
and can not conflict with any connecting computers, which are also in the
same IP range.

This is all the basics... 

To eliminate all conflict issues, your new router 0 will have to be setup by
itself, directly connected to a PC and directly to the internet so the base
configuration can be set as any active/connected component in the network
could conflict until the new router's setting are complete.

When you finally get the configurations set, save a print page of the
setting and save those setting to computer/thumb drive or DVD. It will make
it a quicker to rebuild the router is any thing goes wrong within the
warranty period.

A lot of the above is just a guess as I am having a bit of a problem
understanding your network but those are the basics and if there is any
other questions feel free to ask.

HTH
Jim


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris
Fields
Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 8:24 PM
To: DBA-Tech
Subject: [dba-Tech] New router network puzzle

Hi All,

I have a broadband internet network consisting of the antenna, POE, 
router0, cabled router1, cabled router2, two computers wireless 
connected to router1, and 3 computers wireless connected to router2.

Router0 is at the POE, router1 and router2 actually serve as wireless 
access points.  All was fine until router0 crapped out today.  (I'd been 
having performance issues for weeks, but thought it was with the ISP.)  
All three routers were D-Link DL 514.  I bought a new NetGear WNDR3400 
to replace router0.  Now, comes the issue.  It wants to establish its 
own network - which for the nonce I have allowed, because that got me 
back online.  I want it to join the existing network - using the SSID I 
already have established.  How do I do that?  I tried just changing its 
SSID name and feeding it my WEP key.  It said that SSID already existed 
and refused.  How do I coax the new router to join the old network and 
take over for the old router that crapped out?

Thanks,
T
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sat Apr 16 23:09:34 2011
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2011 21:09:34 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Here is some super browser based graphics
In-Reply-To: <04007F39680943789317263EE1C8237F@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <4DA90BC0.5000508@torchlake.com>
	<04007F39680943789317263EE1C8237F@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <0E5F0A34E96D4242A1691ACA69C9C286@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Hi All:

Here is a site where you can view and run some incredible graphic 3D demos.
Sorry, IE is excluded and you must have a graphics card that supports the
new standard WebGL. See the follow information from Google Chrome giving a
list of supported OSs and graphic cards:

http://www.google.com/support/chrome/bin/answer.py?answer=1220892

 
Here is the link to a group of 3D graphic online demos and games
http://www.queness.com/post/7459/8-stunning-javascript-webgl-demonstrations

Jim 



From accessd at shaw.ca  Sat Apr 16 23:15:22 2011
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2011 21:15:22 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Is there are war brewing on the horizon between IE and
	everyone else?
In-Reply-To: <0E5F0A34E96D4242A1691ACA69C9C286@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <4DA90BC0.5000508@torchlake.com>
	<04007F39680943789317263EE1C8237F@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<0E5F0A34E96D4242A1691ACA69C9C286@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <A742E6A6D7FD457B97F2046EE637951C@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Has Microsoft decided to take on the rest of the world by going off on its
own standards and implementations for it browsers IE9 and IE10?

The owner of the attached link seems to think so. 
http://www.readwriteweb.com/hack/2011/04/internet-explorer-webgl-and-a.php

Jim



From gustav at cactus.dk  Sun Apr 17 03:48:48 2011
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2011 10:48:48 +0200
Subject: [dba-Tech] A simple SAN solution for testing or those on
	a	tight budget
Message-ID: <sdaac59a.040@cactus.dk>

Hi Jim et al

A good intro and a useful FAQ can be found at Jose Barreto's Blog here:

http://blogs.technet.com/b/josebda/archive/2011/04/04/microsoft-iscsi-software-target-3-3-for-windows-server-2008-r2-available-for-public-download.aspx 

<quote>
The Microsoft iSCSI Software Target has been available for production use as part of Windows Storage Server since early 2007. ..
However, until now, there was no way to use the Microsoft iSCSI Software Target in production on a regular server running Windows Server 2008 R2.

.. the software is essentially the same software that ships with Windows Storage Server 2008 R2. Windows Storage Server 2008 R2 and the public download package will be refreshed (kept in sync) with any software fixes and updates.
</quote>

So, I would say, nothing "simple" about this free offer.

/gustav


>>> gustav at cactus.dk 16-04-2011 19:29 >>>
Hi Jim

This is great news!
The third party solutions for Windows are either very expensive or very limited, and those for Linux and Solaris are ugly to administer for a Windows guy and a nightmare to install and - if not expensive - somewhat limited.

Thanks for posting this!
By the way, the comprehensive Technet documentation is here:

http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/gg232606(WS.10).aspx 

/gustav


>>> accessd at shaw.ca 15-04-2011 19:15 >>>
Microsoft now has a free SAN type solution for us who need to test before we
deploy and for small businesses on very limited budgets.

See the following article:

http://blogs.technet.com/b/canitpro/archive/2011/04/05/the-microsoft-iscsi-software-target-is-now-free.aspx 

..and the all important download link with its quick product summary and
installation tips. The only restriction is that you must have a Sever2008 R2
but if you have had access to a Technet subscription or that your company is
part of computer support you already do.

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/en/details.aspx?FamilyID=45105d7f-8c6c-4666-a305-c8189062a0d0 

Jim




From accessd at shaw.ca  Sun Apr 17 05:31:37 2011
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2011 03:31:37 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] A simple SAN solution for testing or those
	on	a	tight budget
In-Reply-To: <sdaac59a.040@cactus.dk>
References: <sdaac59a.040@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <360B3D33037B4251A6A2E786E4C27DE0@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Hi Gustav:

Thanks for the information. My system is currently in maintenance mode so it
should a good chance to plan exactly what things should look like.

Jim



-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2011 1:49 AM
To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] A simple SAN solution for testing or those on a
tight budget

Hi Jim et al

A good intro and a useful FAQ can be found at Jose Barreto's Blog here:

http://blogs.technet.com/b/josebda/archive/2011/04/04/microsoft-iscsi-softwa
re-target-3-3-for-windows-server-2008-r2-available-for-public-download.aspx 

<quote>
The Microsoft iSCSI Software Target has been available for production use as
part of Windows Storage Server since early 2007. ..
However, until now, there was no way to use the Microsoft iSCSI Software
Target in production on a regular server running Windows Server 2008 R2.

.. the software is essentially the same software that ships with Windows
Storage Server 2008 R2. Windows Storage Server 2008 R2 and the public
download package will be refreshed (kept in sync) with any software fixes
and updates.
</quote>

So, I would say, nothing "simple" about this free offer.

/gustav


>>> gustav at cactus.dk 16-04-2011 19:29 >>>
Hi Jim

This is great news!
The third party solutions for Windows are either very expensive or very
limited, and those for Linux and Solaris are ugly to administer for a
Windows guy and a nightmare to install and - if not expensive - somewhat
limited.

Thanks for posting this!
By the way, the comprehensive Technet documentation is here:

http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/gg232606(WS.10).aspx 

/gustav


>>> accessd at shaw.ca 15-04-2011 19:15 >>>
Microsoft now has a free SAN type solution for us who need to test before we
deploy and for small businesses on very limited budgets.

See the following article:

http://blogs.technet.com/b/canitpro/archive/2011/04/05/the-microsoft-iscsi-s
oftware-target-is-now-free.aspx 

..and the all important download link with its quick product summary and
installation tips. The only restriction is that you must have a Sever2008 R2
but if you have had access to a Technet subscription or that your company is
part of computer support you already do.

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/en/details.aspx?FamilyID=45105d7f-8c6c-46
66-a305-c8189062a0d0 

Jim


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From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Sun Apr 17 06:19:15 2011
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2011 07:19:15 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] New router network puzzle
In-Reply-To: <04007F39680943789317263EE1C8237F@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <4DA90BC0.5000508@torchlake.com>
	<04007F39680943789317263EE1C8237F@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <4DAACCB3.3050600@torchlake.com>

Hi Jim,

Thanks for the response.  I completely understand the "crazy" business.  
I, too, have been dealing with colliding deadlines.

I'll start with the layout.  My home is an ancestral home, a rambling 
house that started out small and got built onto by my grandfather.  It 
is now L shaped, with the old part of the house in the short side of the 
L and the new part in the long side.  The long side of the L is about 
50' long, two stories tall, and made of concrete blocks.  The short side 
is about 30' long, one story tall with an attic, mostly wood frame, 
except for where the old porch got turned into an extra room - that part 
is concrete block construction.  There is also an apartment above the 
garage (also concrete block construction). My grandfather did not want 
anything he built to ever fall down! :-)  That is about 75' away from 
the far end of the long side of the L.  The property is heavily wooded.  
The antenna is on a tower at the far end of the long side of the L  The 
POE is inside the window of the bedroom nearest the tower.  My office is 
in the concrete block room at the far end of the short side of the L, 
with lots of walls for the signal to go through.  That is why there is a 
cabled router in my office, which acts as just a wireless access point 
for the computers in my office.  There is a cabled router in the garage 
apartment, which also acts as just a wireless access point for the 
computers up there.

So, the router 0, connected to the POE, acts as a hub.  Routers 1 and 2 
are connected by cable to router 0 because of the distances and 
obstacles involved, and they both act as wireless access points for 
their respective areas.  In some places on the property, a wireless 
laptop computer can reach all three routers, but in most places, only 
one of the routers offers a strong enough signal.

I have set up the new router 0 so that it has the correct gateway IP 
address, and now both routers 1 and 2 recognize that gateway and provide 
internet access to the computers in their area.  However, I still have 
the matter of two SSID names.  Maybe it doesn't matter, but I'd like to 
have everybody on the same network with the same name.  And at least I'd 
like to understand what it takes to replace one piece of equipment with 
another and have the new equipment join the existing network.

Thanks again for taking the time to look at my situation.  I really 
appreciate your help.

T



Jim Lawrence wrote:
> Hi Tina:
>
> Sorry for not getting back to you sooner but it has been crazy here...a
> client network crash, coding is well behind and the grass just keeps growing
> and the gardens are not finished yet... |-P
>
> It seems like a fairly complex configuration. Was router 0 connected to a
> PoE switch? Are all the routers Broadband? 
>
> It does seem that your little network is maybe a little rich on routers. At
> quick glance I can not see why Router 0 is needed. A switch (or hubs) should
> be more the adequate. As you have a number of Routers all except one must
> have the DNS turned off; each will have a different IP address, within a
> single range (192.168.111.1, 192.168.111.2 etc.), but the same subnet mask
> and can not conflict with any connecting computers, which are also in the
> same IP range.
>
> This is all the basics... 
>
> To eliminate all conflict issues, your new router 0 will have to be setup by
> itself, directly connected to a PC and directly to the internet so the base
> configuration can be set as any active/connected component in the network
> could conflict until the new router's setting are complete.
>
> When you finally get the configurations set, save a print page of the
> setting and save those setting to computer/thumb drive or DVD. It will make
> it a quicker to rebuild the router is any thing goes wrong within the
> warranty period.
>
> A lot of the above is just a guess as I am having a bit of a problem
> understanding your network but those are the basics and if there is any
> other questions feel free to ask.
>
> HTH
> Jim
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris
> Fields
> Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 8:24 PM
> To: DBA-Tech
> Subject: [dba-Tech] New router network puzzle
>
> Hi All,
>
> I have a broadband internet network consisting of the antenna, POE, 
> router0, cabled router1, cabled router2, two computers wireless 
> connected to router1, and 3 computers wireless connected to router2.
>
> Router0 is at the POE, router1 and router2 actually serve as wireless 
> access points.  All was fine until router0 crapped out today.  (I'd been 
> having performance issues for weeks, but thought it was with the ISP.)  
> All three routers were D-Link DL 514.  I bought a new NetGear WNDR3400 
> to replace router0.  Now, comes the issue.  It wants to establish its 
> own network - which for the nonce I have allowed, because that got me 
> back online.  I want it to join the existing network - using the SSID I 
> already have established.  How do I do that?  I tried just changing its 
> SSID name and feeding it my WEP key.  It said that SSID already existed 
> and refused.  How do I coax the new router to join the old network and 
> take over for the old router that crapped out?
>
> Thanks,
> T
> _______________________________________________
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sun Apr 17 11:44:01 2011
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2011 09:44:01 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] New router network puzzle
In-Reply-To: <4DAACCB3.3050600@torchlake.com>
References: <4DA90BC0.5000508@torchlake.com>
	<04007F39680943789317263EE1C8237F@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<4DAACCB3.3050600@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <F01E017737204D8E97E4D99155EDFDAB@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Hi Tina:

Between the gardening and a coffee and a new counter-top for the last
bathroom and another coffee and always programming (running late, very late)
and yet another coffee and doing an HTML page (with tabs on the top
signifying years and tabs of the side signifying months) and we will have to
do a grocery and garden run as soon as all the dirt and saw-dust has been
washed away. How I love Sundays...clear blue sky and cool...perfect ;-)

At the risk of yet digressing again; your place sounds absolutely lovely; a
real picture postcard home. I can now see why such a complex router layout. 

The Router 0 is the key to everything and of course that failed. Of course
you have a complete copy of all the specs of all the routers on a handy
sheet paper and/or maybe the SSID specs are on a label attached to bottom of
each router just incase anything got lost as the chance of remembering all
your codes and passwords is 1000:1, unless you have a photographic memory or
have a standard sequence. If you do not, you will most likely have to reset
the logins, wifi wise on all the routers and start from scratch. (I hate to
be the bearer of bad news.) Actually that is the good news as then ever
computer that accesses the WiFis will have to have their setting changed as
well.

All I can say at this point is to set up Router0 using the setting from the
other routers as a base template and then set the appropriate differences as
outlined in the last post...hope that post was easy to understand.

Right now I am having a problem with my router as it a Gigabit; Dlink DDR.
Our local ISP uses a method of starting a connection in burst mode and then
slowing down. My router steps up to the burst mode but does not like to
resume at a slower speed. In addition we have discovered only one (there are
probably many) IP addresses that the Router will block for absolutely no
reason. We actually had the senior tech specialist from Dlink logon and
test...and yes, it is the case and there is no resolution. (We are using an
$8 wireless router set to only respond to one IP address and linked around
the main router and into the switch...and it did take a while to resolve the
resultant hardware chatter.)

If there is any more help I can give you just send another post.

Jim



-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris
Fields
Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2011 4:19 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] New router network puzzle

Hi Jim,

Thanks for the response.  I completely understand the "crazy" business.  
I, too, have been dealing with colliding deadlines.

I'll start with the layout.  My home is an ancestral home, a rambling 
house that started out small and got built onto by my grandfather.  It 
is now L shaped, with the old part of the house in the short side of the 
L and the new part in the long side.  The long side of the L is about 
50' long, two stories tall, and made of concrete blocks.  The short side 
is about 30' long, one story tall with an attic, mostly wood frame, 
except for where the old porch got turned into an extra room - that part 
is concrete block construction.  There is also an apartment above the 
garage (also concrete block construction). My grandfather did not want 
anything he built to ever fall down! :-)  That is about 75' away from 
the far end of the long side of the L.  The property is heavily wooded.  
The antenna is on a tower at the far end of the long side of the L  The 
POE is inside the window of the bedroom nearest the tower.  My office is 
in the concrete block room at the far end of the short side of the L, 
with lots of walls for the signal to go through.  That is why there is a 
cabled router in my office, which acts as just a wireless access point 
for the computers in my office.  There is a cabled router in the garage 
apartment, which also acts as just a wireless access point for the 
computers up there.

So, the router 0, connected to the POE, acts as a hub.  Routers 1 and 2 
are connected by cable to router 0 because of the distances and 
obstacles involved, and they both act as wireless access points for 
their respective areas.  In some places on the property, a wireless 
laptop computer can reach all three routers, but in most places, only 
one of the routers offers a strong enough signal.

I have set up the new router 0 so that it has the correct gateway IP 
address, and now both routers 1 and 2 recognize that gateway and provide 
internet access to the computers in their area.  However, I still have 
the matter of two SSID names.  Maybe it doesn't matter, but I'd like to 
have everybody on the same network with the same name.  And at least I'd 
like to understand what it takes to replace one piece of equipment with 
another and have the new equipment join the existing network.

Thanks again for taking the time to look at my situation.  I really 
appreciate your help.

T



Jim Lawrence wrote:
> Hi Tina:
>
> Sorry for not getting back to you sooner but it has been crazy here...a
> client network crash, coding is well behind and the grass just keeps
growing
> and the gardens are not finished yet... |-P
>
> It seems like a fairly complex configuration. Was router 0 connected to a
> PoE switch? Are all the routers Broadband? 
>
> It does seem that your little network is maybe a little rich on routers.
At
> quick glance I can not see why Router 0 is needed. A switch (or hubs)
should
> be more the adequate. As you have a number of Routers all except one must
> have the DNS turned off; each will have a different IP address, within a
> single range (192.168.111.1, 192.168.111.2 etc.), but the same subnet mask
> and can not conflict with any connecting computers, which are also in the
> same IP range.
>
> This is all the basics... 
>
> To eliminate all conflict issues, your new router 0 will have to be setup
by
> itself, directly connected to a PC and directly to the internet so the
base
> configuration can be set as any active/connected component in the network
> could conflict until the new router's setting are complete.
>
> When you finally get the configurations set, save a print page of the
> setting and save those setting to computer/thumb drive or DVD. It will
make
> it a quicker to rebuild the router is any thing goes wrong within the
> warranty period.
>
> A lot of the above is just a guess as I am having a bit of a problem
> understanding your network but those are the basics and if there is any
> other questions feel free to ask.
>
> HTH
> Jim
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris
> Fields
> Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 8:24 PM
> To: DBA-Tech
> Subject: [dba-Tech] New router network puzzle
>
> Hi All,
>
> I have a broadband internet network consisting of the antenna, POE, 
> router0, cabled router1, cabled router2, two computers wireless 
> connected to router1, and 3 computers wireless connected to router2.
>
> Router0 is at the POE, router1 and router2 actually serve as wireless 
> access points.  All was fine until router0 crapped out today.  (I'd been 
> having performance issues for weeks, but thought it was with the ISP.)  
> All three routers were D-Link DL 514.  I bought a new NetGear WNDR3400 
> to replace router0.  Now, comes the issue.  It wants to establish its 
> own network - which for the nonce I have allowed, because that got me 
> back online.  I want it to join the existing network - using the SSID I 
> already have established.  How do I do that?  I tried just changing its 
> SSID name and feeding it my WEP key.  It said that SSID already existed 
> and refused.  How do I coax the new router to join the old network and 
> take over for the old router that crapped out?
>
> Thanks,
> T
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
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>
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From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Sun Apr 17 14:38:36 2011
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2011 15:38:36 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] New router network puzzle
In-Reply-To: <F01E017737204D8E97E4D99155EDFDAB@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <4DA90BC0.5000508@torchlake.com><04007F39680943789317263EE1C8237F@creativesystemdesigns.com><4DAACCB3.3050600@torchla
	ke.com>
	<F01E017737204D8E97E4D99155EDFDAB@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <4DAB41BC.50206@torchlake.com>

Hi Jim,
Actually, I did keep a copy of the specs for the routers in my system.  
Thus, I was able to fix the IP address conflict that did arise.  The new 
router 0 insisted on xxx.xxx.1.x rather than xxx.xxx.0.x for its IP 
address, so I had to change router 1 from 192.168.1.1 to 192.168.3.1, 
which worked perfectly.

Now, every computer has access to the internet.  However, I still have 
the issue of there being two networks.  The gateway IP address and the 
WEP key have made the internet access work.  How do I persuade the 
NetGear router - the new router 0 - to join the existing home-office 
network?

And, yes, where I live is a little bit of paradise. It's a heavily 
wooded property with a river that runs through it.  We have the beauty 
and excitement of all four seasons.  We are visited by the deer and the 
turkeys and lots of other wild creatures.  We enjoy the many birds, 
especially the hummingbirds that visit us.  We're in a small town, but 
we're near enough to a bigger town to have the cultural, medical, and 
business advantages of that setting.  Our "big" city is Traverse City, 
with the beautiful twin bays, the annual Cherry Festival, and the annual 
Film Festival.  It's a good place to be.

Thanks for your help on this broadband wireless network puzzle.  I now 
grasp the basics fairly well.  I look forward to understanding a whole 
lot more.

Best regards,
T

Jim Lawrence wrote:
> Hi Tina:
>
> Between the gardening and a coffee and a new counter-top for the last
> bathroom and another coffee and always programming (running late, very late)
> and yet another coffee and doing an HTML page (with tabs on the top
> signifying years and tabs of the side signifying months) and we will have to
> do a grocery and garden run as soon as all the dirt and saw-dust has been
> washed away. How I love Sundays...clear blue sky and cool...perfect ;-)
>
> At the risk of yet digressing again; your place sounds absolutely lovely; a
> real picture postcard home. I can now see why such a complex router layout. 
>
> The Router 0 is the key to everything and of course that failed. Of course
> you have a complete copy of all the specs of all the routers on a handy
> sheet paper and/or maybe the SSID specs are on a label attached to bottom of
> each router just incase anything got lost as the chance of remembering all
> your codes and passwords is 1000:1, unless you have a photographic memory or
> have a standard sequence. If you do not, you will most likely have to reset
> the logins, wifi wise on all the routers and start from scratch. (I hate to
> be the bearer of bad news.) Actually that is the good news as then ever
> computer that accesses the WiFis will have to have their setting changed as
> well.
>
> All I can say at this point is to set up Router0 using the setting from the
> other routers as a base template and then set the appropriate differences as
> outlined in the last post...hope that post was easy to understand.
>
> Right now I am having a problem with my router as it a Gigabit; Dlink DDR.
> Our local ISP uses a method of starting a connection in burst mode and then
> slowing down. My router steps up to the burst mode but does not like to
> resume at a slower speed. In addition we have discovered only one (there are
> probably many) IP addresses that the Router will block for absolutely no
> reason. We actually had the senior tech specialist from Dlink logon and
> test...and yes, it is the case and there is no resolution. (We are using an
> $8 wireless router set to only respond to one IP address and linked around
> the main router and into the switch...and it did take a while to resolve the
> resultant hardware chatter.)
>
> If there is any more help I can give you just send another post.
>
> Jim
>
>
>   


From accessd at shaw.ca  Sun Apr 17 15:26:08 2011
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2011 13:26:08 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] New router network puzzle
In-Reply-To: <4DAB41BC.50206@torchlake.com>
References: <4DA90BC0.5000508@torchlake.com>
	<04007F39680943789317263EE1C8237F@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<4DAACCB3.3050600@torchla> <ke.com@prod.shaw.ca>
	<F01E017737204D8E97E4D99155EDFDAB@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<4DAB41BC.50206@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <C40304AD045C46F1ACE44A90AB2A4285@creativesystemdesigns.com>

The only way that can be done is the set a common IP range through out the
network. As the new Router 0 will not/can not be changed then all the
computers as well as the Routers (which you have already done) will have to
be changed... something like 192.168.0.100,101,102 etc. Can we assume that
the subnet mask on all computers and routers is 255.255.255.0?

Your property does sound awesome. I did see some pictures awhile back
related to a family gathering but any other seasonal pictures you would like
to post would be very nice...snow in the trees, red leaves of fall, wild
flowers of spring etc. :-)

Jim

 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris
Fields
Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2011 12:39 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] New router network puzzle

Hi Jim,
Actually, I did keep a copy of the specs for the routers in my system.  
Thus, I was able to fix the IP address conflict that did arise.  The new 
router 0 insisted on xxx.xxx.1.x rather than xxx.xxx.0.x for its IP 
address, so I had to change router 1 from 192.168.1.1 to 192.168.3.1, 
which worked perfectly.

Now, every computer has access to the internet.  However, I still have 
the issue of there being two networks.  The gateway IP address and the 
WEP key have made the internet access work.  How do I persuade the 
NetGear router - the new router 0 - to join the existing home-office 
network?

And, yes, where I live is a little bit of paradise. It's a heavily 
wooded property with a river that runs through it.  We have the beauty 
and excitement of all four seasons.  We are visited by the deer and the 
turkeys and lots of other wild creatures.  We enjoy the many birds, 
especially the hummingbirds that visit us.  We're in a small town, but 
we're near enough to a bigger town to have the cultural, medical, and 
business advantages of that setting.  Our "big" city is Traverse City, 
with the beautiful twin bays, the annual Cherry Festival, and the annual 
Film Festival.  It's a good place to be.

Thanks for your help on this broadband wireless network puzzle.  I now 
grasp the basics fairly well.  I look forward to understanding a whole 
lot more.

Best regards,
T

Jim Lawrence wrote:
> Hi Tina:
>
> Between the gardening and a coffee and a new counter-top for the last
> bathroom and another coffee and always programming (running late, very
late)
> and yet another coffee and doing an HTML page (with tabs on the top
> signifying years and tabs of the side signifying months) and we will have
to
> do a grocery and garden run as soon as all the dirt and saw-dust has been
> washed away. How I love Sundays...clear blue sky and cool...perfect ;-)
>
> At the risk of yet digressing again; your place sounds absolutely lovely;
a
> real picture postcard home. I can now see why such a complex router
layout. 
>
> The Router 0 is the key to everything and of course that failed. Of course
> you have a complete copy of all the specs of all the routers on a handy
> sheet paper and/or maybe the SSID specs are on a label attached to bottom
of
> each router just incase anything got lost as the chance of remembering all
> your codes and passwords is 1000:1, unless you have a photographic memory
or
> have a standard sequence. If you do not, you will most likely have to
reset
> the logins, wifi wise on all the routers and start from scratch. (I hate
to
> be the bearer of bad news.) Actually that is the good news as then ever
> computer that accesses the WiFis will have to have their setting changed
as
> well.
>
> All I can say at this point is to set up Router0 using the setting from
the
> other routers as a base template and then set the appropriate differences
as
> outlined in the last post...hope that post was easy to understand.
>
> Right now I am having a problem with my router as it a Gigabit; Dlink DDR.
> Our local ISP uses a method of starting a connection in burst mode and
then
> slowing down. My router steps up to the burst mode but does not like to
> resume at a slower speed. In addition we have discovered only one (there
are
> probably many) IP addresses that the Router will block for absolutely no
> reason. We actually had the senior tech specialist from Dlink logon and
> test...and yes, it is the case and there is no resolution. (We are using
an
> $8 wireless router set to only respond to one IP address and linked around
> the main router and into the switch...and it did take a while to resolve
the
> resultant hardware chatter.)
>
> If there is any more help I can give you just send another post.
>
> Jim
>
>
>   
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From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Sun Apr 17 20:24:00 2011
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2011 21:24:00 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] New router network puzzle
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Hi Jim,

Yes, the subnet mask on all the computers and routers is 255.255.255.0.  
The IP ranges are all compatible.

I will post some more photos sometime - not sure just when, but I 
promise I will.  The winters can be spectacularly beautiful, and I do 
have some gorgeous photos of this past winter.

Time to toddle off to read in bed.

Best,
T

Jim Lawrence wrote:
> The only way that can be done is the set a common IP range through out the
> network. As the new Router 0 will not/can not be changed then all the
> computers as well as the Routers (which you have already done) will have to
> be changed... something like 192.168.0.100,101,102 etc. Can we assume that
> the subnet mask on all computers and routers is 255.255.255.0?
>
> Your property does sound awesome. I did see some pictures awhile back
> related to a family gathering but any other seasonal pictures you would like
> to post would be very nice...snow in the trees, red leaves of fall, wild
> flowers of spring etc. :-)
>
> Jim
>
>  
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris
> Fields
> Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2011 12:39 PM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] New router network puzzle
>
> Hi Jim,
> Actually, I did keep a copy of the specs for the routers in my system.  
> Thus, I was able to fix the IP address conflict that did arise.  The new 
> router 0 insisted on xxx.xxx.1.x rather than xxx.xxx.0.x for its IP 
> address, so I had to change router 1 from 192.168.1.1 to 192.168.3.1, 
> which worked perfectly.
>
> Now, every computer has access to the internet.  However, I still have 
> the issue of there being two networks.  The gateway IP address and the 
> WEP key have made the internet access work.  How do I persuade the 
> NetGear router - the new router 0 - to join the existing home-office 
> network?
>
> And, yes, where I live is a little bit of paradise. It's a heavily 
> wooded property with a river that runs through it.  We have the beauty 
> and excitement of all four seasons.  We are visited by the deer and the 
> turkeys and lots of other wild creatures.  We enjoy the many birds, 
> especially the hummingbirds that visit us.  We're in a small town, but 
> we're near enough to a bigger town to have the cultural, medical, and 
> business advantages of that setting.  Our "big" city is Traverse City, 
> with the beautiful twin bays, the annual Cherry Festival, and the annual 
> Film Festival.  It's a good place to be.
>
> Thanks for your help on this broadband wireless network puzzle.  I now 
> grasp the basics fairly well.  I look forward to understanding a whole 
> lot more.
>
> Best regards,
> T
>
> Jim Lawrence wrote:
>   
>> Hi Tina:
>>
>> Between the gardening and a coffee and a new counter-top for the last
>> bathroom and another coffee and always programming (running late, very
>>     
> late)
>   
>> and yet another coffee and doing an HTML page (with tabs on the top
>> signifying years and tabs of the side signifying months) and we will have
>>     
> to
>   
>> do a grocery and garden run as soon as all the dirt and saw-dust has been
>> washed away. How I love Sundays...clear blue sky and cool...perfect ;-)
>>
>> At the risk of yet digressing again; your place sounds absolutely lovely;
>>     
> a
>   
>> real picture postcard home. I can now see why such a complex router
>>     
> layout. 
>   
>> The Router 0 is the key to everything and of course that failed. Of course
>> you have a complete copy of all the specs of all the routers on a handy
>> sheet paper and/or maybe the SSID specs are on a label attached to bottom
>>     
> of
>   
>> each router just incase anything got lost as the chance of remembering all
>> your codes and passwords is 1000:1, unless you have a photographic memory
>>     
> or
>   
>> have a standard sequence. If you do not, you will most likely have to
>>     
> reset
>   
>> the logins, wifi wise on all the routers and start from scratch. (I hate
>>     
> to
>   
>> be the bearer of bad news.) Actually that is the good news as then ever
>> computer that accesses the WiFis will have to have their setting changed
>>     
> as
>   
>> well.
>>
>> All I can say at this point is to set up Router0 using the setting from
>>     
> the
>   
>> other routers as a base template and then set the appropriate differences
>>     
> as
>   
>> outlined in the last post...hope that post was easy to understand.
>>
>> Right now I am having a problem with my router as it a Gigabit; Dlink DDR.
>> Our local ISP uses a method of starting a connection in burst mode and
>>     
> then
>   
>> slowing down. My router steps up to the burst mode but does not like to
>> resume at a slower speed. In addition we have discovered only one (there
>>     
> are
>   
>> probably many) IP addresses that the Router will block for absolutely no
>> reason. We actually had the senior tech specialist from Dlink logon and
>> test...and yes, it is the case and there is no resolution. (We are using
>>     
> an
>   
>> $8 wireless router set to only respond to one IP address and linked around
>> the main router and into the switch...and it did take a while to resolve
>>     
> the
>   
>> resultant hardware chatter.)
>>
>> If there is any more help I can give you just send another post.
>>
>> Jim
>>
>>
>>   
>>     
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Apr 18 13:50:39 2011
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2011 11:50:39 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] New router network puzzle
In-Reply-To: <4DAB92B0.8040102@torchlake.com>
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Can I assume everything is working as it should? 

First of all, the way the ports for each router is setup states that each is
on a different segment or workgroup.

Given: router0 is 192.168.1.1 and router1 is 192.168.3.1 etc., each is
basically an unrelated network. To be inter-related, their number sequence
would be something like 192.168.1.1, 192.168.1.2, 192.168.1.3,...
 
If not the only other possible blockage is ports. Most routers come with all
ports blocked but for port 80 and sometime port 25. On the new router make
sure at least port 80 is open and only open other ports as necessary. 

Make sure the gateway address to your ISP is setup on you new router0 as it
is the main pass-through firewall. In your Router0 make sure your virtual
servers (in this case routers) are setup correctly

"Router1": application name, Public port: 80, Protocol: TCP, Schedule:
always, IP Address: 192.168.2.1 (or 192.169.1.2) computer name, Private
port: 80, Protocol: 6, Inbound Filter: allow all.

"Router2": application name, Public port: 80, Protocol: TCP, Schedule:
always, IP Address: 192.168.3.1 (or 192.169.1.3) computer name, Private
port: 80, Protocol: 6, Inbound Filter: allow all.

...and so on. There would have to be other ports open if there is a gamer in
the family or you are using RDP, Oracle, MS SQL, remote networking etc.

If you are still having issues send me some pictures from your Router0 base
setup page and the configuration of your virtual page, where all you other
routers have to be managed as if they are computers.

HTH
Jim

PS Please do send those pictures when you get a chance.

   

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris
Fields
Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2011 6:24 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] New router network puzzle

Hi Jim,

Yes, the subnet mask on all the computers and routers is 255.255.255.0.  
The IP ranges are all compatible.

I will post some more photos sometime - not sure just when, but I 
promise I will.  The winters can be spectacularly beautiful, and I do 
have some gorgeous photos of this past winter.

Time to toddle off to read in bed.

Best,
T



From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Tue Apr 19 09:48:33 2011
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 10:48:33 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] New router network puzzle
In-Reply-To: <E15FEE88A5F642F1B82382D91D7325A9@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <4DA90BC0.5000508@torchlake.com><04007F39680943789317263EE1C8237F@creativesystemdesigns.com><4DAACCB3.3050600@torchla>
	<ke.com@prod.shaw.ca><F01E017737204D8E97E4D99155EDFDAB@creativesystemdesigns.com><4DAB41BC.50206@torchlake.com><C40304AD045C46F
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	<E15FEE88A5F642F1B82382D91D7325A9@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <4DADA0C1.4080807@torchlake.com>

Hello Jim,

Yes, everything is working, in terms of access to the internet.  Thank 
you for continuing the lesson in networking.  Your explanation has given 
me another AHA! moment. 

So, each router as now configured is, indeed, part of a separate 
grouping - and I see how the IP addressing works to group them.  Thanks.

When my home-office configuration was established by the tech from my 
ISP, in addition to the IP addresses, each router was made part of the 
same SSID.  The new router 0 does not want to accept the SSID name from 
the existing "network."  So, if my laptop is in the range of that new 
router - which at this point has an SSID name of NETGEAR - it cannot 
print on my HP 6500 wireless printer, because at that point the laptop 
and the printer are on different networks.  If I could persuade the new 
router to accept being part of the SSID that the other two routers are 
in, then that issue would disappear.

For virtually all the other computers, there no longer is an issue.  
They do not move around and they will not ever be grabbing the NETGEAR 
SSID.  But, I move about with my laptop computer, and for my computer, 
this is an issue.

This question does occur to me:  would it make sense to configure the 
routers 1 and 2 with new IP addresses that are part of the router 0 
grouping?  If I did that, and presumably released and renewed IP 
addresses for all the components that connect to those routers, would 
the entire SSID then become NETGEAR?  Would I then be able to change the 
SSID name back to my chosen one?  I would really like to have everyone 
in the same SSID.

Thank you very much for the setup details for routers 1 and 2.  They 
look to be what I recall, though I will double check.

Truly, I appreciate what you are teaching me.  I have needed to learn 
this stuff for a while, now, and I've not made the time to do so.

Best,
T
P.S. I'm updating my "to do" list to include posting pictures of last 
winter - although spring doesn't quite appear to have arrived, yet!!! :-)

Jim Lawrence wrote:
> Can I assume everything is working as it should? 
>
> First of all, the way the ports for each router is setup states that each is
> on a different segment or workgroup.
>
> Given: router0 is 192.168.1.1 and router1 is 192.168.3.1 etc., each is
> basically an unrelated network. To be inter-related, their number sequence
> would be something like 192.168.1.1, 192.168.1.2, 192.168.1.3,...
>  
> If not the only other possible blockage is ports. Most routers come with all
> ports blocked but for port 80 and sometime port 25. On the new router make
> sure at least port 80 is open and only open other ports as necessary. 
>
> Make sure the gateway address to your ISP is setup on you new router0 as it
> is the main pass-through firewall. In your Router0 make sure your virtual
> servers (in this case routers) are setup correctly
>
> "Router1": application name, Public port: 80, Protocol: TCP, Schedule:
> always, IP Address: 192.168.2.1 (or 192.169.1.2) computer name, Private
> port: 80, Protocol: 6, Inbound Filter: allow all.
>
> "Router2": application name, Public port: 80, Protocol: TCP, Schedule:
> always, IP Address: 192.168.3.1 (or 192.169.1.3) computer name, Private
> port: 80, Protocol: 6, Inbound Filter: allow all.
>
> ...and so on. There would have to be other ports open if there is a gamer in
> the family or you are using RDP, Oracle, MS SQL, remote networking etc.
>
> If you are still having issues send me some pictures from your Router0 base
> setup page and the configuration of your virtual page, where all you other
> routers have to be managed as if they are computers.
>
> HTH
> Jim
>
> PS Please do send those pictures when you get a chance.
>   


From garykjos at gmail.com  Tue Apr 19 10:31:31 2011
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 10:31:31 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] New router network puzzle
In-Reply-To: <4DADA0C1.4080807@torchlake.com>
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What happens if you turn off the other two routers. Perhaps then it
would let you assign the SSID you want in router 0 ?  Secondly, there
is a feature/setting in some routers that turns on or off SSID
broadcasting. Perhaps if that were able to be turned off in the other
two routers?

I'd try to turn off the other two and then set the SSID in the new one
and then turn the other two back on and cross your fingers.

GK

On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 9:48 AM, Tina Norris Fields
<tinanfields at torchlake.com> wrote:
> Hello Jim,
>
> Yes, everything is working, in terms of access to the internet. ?Thank you
> for continuing the lesson in networking. ?Your explanation has given me
> another AHA! moment.
> So, each router as now configured is, indeed, part of a separate grouping -
> and I see how the IP addressing works to group them. ?Thanks.
>
> When my home-office configuration was established by the tech from my ISP,
> in addition to the IP addresses, each router was made part of the same SSID.
> ?The new router 0 does not want to accept the SSID name from the existing
> "network." ?So, if my laptop is in the range of that new router - which at
> this point has an SSID name of NETGEAR - it cannot print on my HP 6500
> wireless printer, because at that point the laptop and the printer are on
> different networks. ?If I could persuade the new router to accept being part
> of the SSID that the other two routers are in, then that issue would
> disappear.
>
> For virtually all the other computers, there no longer is an issue. ?They do
> not move around and they will not ever be grabbing the NETGEAR SSID. ?But, I
> move about with my laptop computer, and for my computer, this is an issue.
>
> This question does occur to me: ?would it make sense to configure the
> routers 1 and 2 with new IP addresses that are part of the router 0
> grouping? ?If I did that, and presumably released and renewed IP addresses
> for all the components that connect to those routers, would the entire SSID
> then become NETGEAR? ?Would I then be able to change the SSID name back to
> my chosen one? ?I would really like to have everyone in the same SSID.
>
> Thank you very much for the setup details for routers 1 and 2. ?They look to
> be what I recall, though I will double check.
>
> Truly, I appreciate what you are teaching me. ?I have needed to learn this
> stuff for a while, now, and I've not made the time to do so.
>
> Best,
> T
> P.S. I'm updating my "to do" list to include posting pictures of last winter
> - although spring doesn't quite appear to have arrived, yet!!! :-)
>
> Jim Lawrence wrote:
>>
>> Can I assume everything is working as it should?
>> First of all, the way the ports for each router is setup states that each
>> is
>> on a different segment or workgroup.
>>
>> Given: router0 is 192.168.1.1 and router1 is 192.168.3.1 etc., each is
>> basically an unrelated network. To be inter-related, their number sequence
>> would be something like 192.168.1.1, 192.168.1.2, 192.168.1.3,...
>> ?If not the only other possible blockage is ports. Most routers come with
>> all
>> ports blocked but for port 80 and sometime port 25. On the new router make
>> sure at least port 80 is open and only open other ports as necessary.
>> Make sure the gateway address to your ISP is setup on you new router0 as
>> it
>> is the main pass-through firewall. In your Router0 make sure your virtual
>> servers (in this case routers) are setup correctly
>>
>> "Router1": application name, Public port: 80, Protocol: TCP, Schedule:
>> always, IP Address: 192.168.2.1 (or 192.169.1.2) computer name, Private
>> port: 80, Protocol: 6, Inbound Filter: allow all.
>>
>> "Router2": application name, Public port: 80, Protocol: TCP, Schedule:
>> always, IP Address: 192.168.3.1 (or 192.169.1.3) computer name, Private
>> port: 80, Protocol: 6, Inbound Filter: allow all.
>>
>> ...and so on. There would have to be other ports open if there is a gamer
>> in
>> the family or you are using RDP, Oracle, MS SQL, remote networking etc.
>>
>> If you are still having issues send me some pictures from your Router0
>> base
>> setup page and the configuration of your virtual page, where all you other
>> routers have to be managed as if they are computers.
>>
>> HTH
>> Jim
>>
>> PS Please do send those pictures when you get a chance.
>>
>
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-- 
Gary Kjos
garykjos at gmail.com



From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Tue Apr 19 11:11:44 2011
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 12:11:44 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] New router network puzzle
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTikJF_ghUrqCjvh5ZwbdrknCLjSWGw@mail.gmail.com>
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Hello Gary,
Now that's a thought.  I recognize the truth of what you say, that 
broadcasting can be turned on and off.  I do not have any experience in 
doing so.  I will look into the details in my router 2 - the one in my 
office, and easiest for me to investigate.  Thank you for that thought.
I have the fond hope that I will soon know what I am doing with these 
network issues.  So much to know, so little spare time to learn it all in!!!
T

Gary Kjos wrote:
> What happens if you turn off the other two routers. Perhaps then it
> would let you assign the SSID you want in router 0 ?  Secondly, there
> is a feature/setting in some routers that turns on or off SSID
> broadcasting. Perhaps if that were able to be turned off in the other
> two routers?
>
> I'd try to turn off the other two and then set the SSID in the new one
> and then turn the other two back on and cross your fingers.
>
> GK
>
> On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 9:48 AM, Tina Norris Fields
> <tinanfields at torchlake.com> wrote:
>   
>> Hello Jim,
>>
>> Yes, everything is working, in terms of access to the internet.  Thank you
>> for continuing the lesson in networking.  Your explanation has given me
>> another AHA! moment.
>> So, each router as now configured is, indeed, part of a separate grouping -
>> and I see how the IP addressing works to group them.  Thanks.
>>
>> When my home-office configuration was established by the tech from my ISP,
>> in addition to the IP addresses, each router was made part of the same SSID.
>>  The new router 0 does not want to accept the SSID name from the existing
>> "network."  So, if my laptop is in the range of that new router - which at
>> this point has an SSID name of NETGEAR - it cannot print on my HP 6500
>> wireless printer, because at that point the laptop and the printer are on
>> different networks.  If I could persuade the new router to accept being part
>> of the SSID that the other two routers are in, then that issue would
>> disappear.
>>
>> For virtually all the other computers, there no longer is an issue.  They do
>> not move around and they will not ever be grabbing the NETGEAR SSID.  But, I
>> move about with my laptop computer, and for my computer, this is an issue.
>>
>> This question does occur to me:  would it make sense to configure the
>> routers 1 and 2 with new IP addresses that are part of the router 0
>> grouping?  If I did that, and presumably released and renewed IP addresses
>> for all the components that connect to those routers, would the entire SSID
>> then become NETGEAR?  Would I then be able to change the SSID name back to
>> my chosen one?  I would really like to have everyone in the same SSID.
>>
>> Thank you very much for the setup details for routers 1 and 2.  They look to
>> be what I recall, though I will double check.
>>
>> Truly, I appreciate what you are teaching me.  I have needed to learn this
>> stuff for a while, now, and I've not made the time to do so.
>>
>> Best,
>> T
>> P.S. I'm updating my "to do" list to include posting pictures of last winter
>> - although spring doesn't quite appear to have arrived, yet!!! :-)
>>
>> Jim Lawrence wrote:
>>     
>>> Can I assume everything is working as it should?
>>> First of all, the way the ports for each router is setup states that each
>>> is
>>> on a different segment or workgroup.
>>>
>>> Given: router0 is 192.168.1.1 and router1 is 192.168.3.1 etc., each is
>>> basically an unrelated network. To be inter-related, their number sequence
>>> would be something like 192.168.1.1, 192.168.1.2, 192.168.1.3,...
>>>  If not the only other possible blockage is ports. Most routers come with
>>> all
>>> ports blocked but for port 80 and sometime port 25. On the new router make
>>> sure at least port 80 is open and only open other ports as necessary.
>>> Make sure the gateway address to your ISP is setup on you new router0 as
>>> it
>>> is the main pass-through firewall. In your Router0 make sure your virtual
>>> servers (in this case routers) are setup correctly
>>>
>>> "Router1": application name, Public port: 80, Protocol: TCP, Schedule:
>>> always, IP Address: 192.168.2.1 (or 192.169.1.2) computer name, Private
>>> port: 80, Protocol: 6, Inbound Filter: allow all.
>>>
>>> "Router2": application name, Public port: 80, Protocol: TCP, Schedule:
>>> always, IP Address: 192.168.3.1 (or 192.169.1.3) computer name, Private
>>> port: 80, Protocol: 6, Inbound Filter: allow all.
>>>
>>> ...and so on. There would have to be other ports open if there is a gamer
>>> in
>>> the family or you are using RDP, Oracle, MS SQL, remote networking etc.
>>>
>>> If you are still having issues send me some pictures from your Router0
>>> base
>>> setup page and the configuration of your virtual page, where all you other
>>> routers have to be managed as if they are computers.
>>>
>>> HTH
>>> Jim
>>>
>>> PS Please do send those pictures when you get a chance.
>>>
>>>       
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>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
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>>
>>     
>
>
>
>   


From garykjos at gmail.com  Tue Apr 19 11:35:36 2011
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 11:35:36 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] New router network puzzle
In-Reply-To: <4DADB440.7050009@torchlake.com>
References: <4DA90BC0.5000508@torchlake.com>
	<04007F39680943789317263EE1C8237F@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<4DAACCB3.3050600@torchla> <ke.com@prod.shaw.ca>
	<F01E017737204D8E97E4D99155EDFDAB@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<4DAB41BC.50206@torchlake.com> <4DAB92B0.8040102@torchlake.com>
	<E15FEE88A5F642F1B82382D91D7325A9@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<4DADA0C1.4080807@torchlake.com>
	<BANLkTikJF_ghUrqCjvh5ZwbdrknCLjSWGw@mail.gmail.com>
	<4DADB440.7050009@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <BANLkTimgFuYAykcSxvzh0K5SW-j3aMvBuw@mail.gmail.com>

I think the idea with turning off the broadcasting is that it provides
some little bit of additional security since a computer needs to know
what the SSID is before it can join up and so if you are sitting there
broadcasting it you are telling everyone what it is instead of waiting
for them to use the right SSID to connect to you. I know I have it
turned off on my own router. But my network is way simpler than what
you have. Only one router plus one eight port gigabit switch. All the
wired connection computers are plugged into the switch so they can
talk at full speed. The switch is plugged into the router which is
doing all the magic of keeping in proper order.

Good luck getting it back to working exactly the way you want it.
Perseverance will pay off eventually.

GK

On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 11:11 AM, Tina Norris Fields
<tinanfields at torchlake.com> wrote:
> Hello Gary,
> Now that's a thought. ?I recognize the truth of what you say, that
> broadcasting can be turned on and off. ?I do not have any experience in
> doing so. ?I will look into the details in my router 2 - the one in my
> office, and easiest for me to investigate. ?Thank you for that thought.
> I have the fond hope that I will soon know what I am doing with these
> network issues. ?So much to know, so little spare time to learn it all in!!!
> T
>
> Gary Kjos wrote:
>>
>> What happens if you turn off the other two routers. Perhaps then it
>> would let you assign the SSID you want in router 0 ? ?Secondly, there
>> is a feature/setting in some routers that turns on or off SSID
>> broadcasting. Perhaps if that were able to be turned off in the other
>> two routers?
>>
>> I'd try to turn off the other two and then set the SSID in the new one
>> and then turn the other two back on and cross your fingers.
>>
>> GK
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 9:48 AM, Tina Norris Fields
>> <tinanfields at torchlake.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Hello Jim,
>>>
>>> Yes, everything is working, in terms of access to the internet. ?Thank
>>> you
>>> for continuing the lesson in networking. ?Your explanation has given me
>>> another AHA! moment.
>>> So, each router as now configured is, indeed, part of a separate grouping
>>> -
>>> and I see how the IP addressing works to group them. ?Thanks.
>>>
>>> When my home-office configuration was established by the tech from my
>>> ISP,
>>> in addition to the IP addresses, each router was made part of the same
>>> SSID.
>>> ?The new router 0 does not want to accept the SSID name from the existing
>>> "network." ?So, if my laptop is in the range of that new router - which
>>> at
>>> this point has an SSID name of NETGEAR - it cannot print on my HP 6500
>>> wireless printer, because at that point the laptop and the printer are on
>>> different networks. ?If I could persuade the new router to accept being
>>> part
>>> of the SSID that the other two routers are in, then that issue would
>>> disappear.
>>>
>>> For virtually all the other computers, there no longer is an issue. ?They
>>> do
>>> not move around and they will not ever be grabbing the NETGEAR SSID.
>>> ?But, I
>>> move about with my laptop computer, and for my computer, this is an
>>> issue.
>>>
>>> This question does occur to me: ?would it make sense to configure the
>>> routers 1 and 2 with new IP addresses that are part of the router 0
>>> grouping? ?If I did that, and presumably released and renewed IP
>>> addresses
>>> for all the components that connect to those routers, would the entire
>>> SSID
>>> then become NETGEAR? ?Would I then be able to change the SSID name back
>>> to
>>> my chosen one? ?I would really like to have everyone in the same SSID.
>>>
>>> Thank you very much for the setup details for routers 1 and 2. ?They look
>>> to
>>> be what I recall, though I will double check.
>>>
>>> Truly, I appreciate what you are teaching me. ?I have needed to learn
>>> this
>>> stuff for a while, now, and I've not made the time to do so.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> T
>>> P.S. I'm updating my "to do" list to include posting pictures of last
>>> winter
>>> - although spring doesn't quite appear to have arrived, yet!!! :-)
>>>
>>> Jim Lawrence wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Can I assume everything is working as it should?
>>>> First of all, the way the ports for each router is setup states that
>>>> each
>>>> is
>>>> on a different segment or workgroup.
>>>>
>>>> Given: router0 is 192.168.1.1 and router1 is 192.168.3.1 etc., each is
>>>> basically an unrelated network. To be inter-related, their number
>>>> sequence
>>>> would be something like 192.168.1.1, 192.168.1.2, 192.168.1.3,...
>>>> ?If not the only other possible blockage is ports. Most routers come
>>>> with
>>>> all
>>>> ports blocked but for port 80 and sometime port 25. On the new router
>>>> make
>>>> sure at least port 80 is open and only open other ports as necessary.
>>>> Make sure the gateway address to your ISP is setup on you new router0 as
>>>> it
>>>> is the main pass-through firewall. In your Router0 make sure your
>>>> virtual
>>>> servers (in this case routers) are setup correctly
>>>>
>>>> "Router1": application name, Public port: 80, Protocol: TCP, Schedule:
>>>> always, IP Address: 192.168.2.1 (or 192.169.1.2) computer name, Private
>>>> port: 80, Protocol: 6, Inbound Filter: allow all.
>>>>
>>>> "Router2": application name, Public port: 80, Protocol: TCP, Schedule:
>>>> always, IP Address: 192.168.3.1 (or 192.169.1.3) computer name, Private
>>>> port: 80, Protocol: 6, Inbound Filter: allow all.
>>>>
>>>> ...and so on. There would have to be other ports open if there is a
>>>> gamer
>>>> in
>>>> the family or you are using RDP, Oracle, MS SQL, remote networking etc.
>>>>
>>>> If you are still having issues send me some pictures from your Router0
>>>> base
>>>> setup page and the configuration of your virtual page, where all you
>>>> other
>>>> routers have to be managed as if they are computers.
>>>>
>>>> HTH
>>>> Jim
>>>>
>>>> PS Please do send those pictures when you get a chance.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
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>>
>>
>>
>>
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-- 
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garykjos at gmail.com



From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Apr 21 14:34:39 2011
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2011 12:34:39 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Apple
In-Reply-To: <4DADA0C1.4080807@torchlake.com>
References: <4DA90BC0.5000508@torchlake.com>
	<04007F39680943789317263EE1C8237F@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<4DAACCB3.3050600@torchla> <ke.com@prod.shaw.ca>
	<F01E017737204D8E97E4D99155EDFDAB@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<4DAB41BC.50206@torchlake.com> <"C40304AD045C46F
	1ACE44A90AB2A4285"@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<4DAB92B0.8040102@torchlake.com>
	<E15FEE88A5F642F1B82382D91D7325A9@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<4DADA0C1.4080807@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <EF7AC8CC7EF0430A927541A1C9DD5D09@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Don't we wish we had the fore-sight to have bought Apple stock 10 years ago:

http://pulsene.ws/1n999

Jim



From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu Apr 21 15:41:18 2011
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2011 06:41:18 +1000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Cloud computing
In-Reply-To: <EF7AC8CC7EF0430A927541A1C9DD5D09@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <4DA90BC0.5000508@torchlake.com>, <4DADA0C1.4080807@torchlake.com>,
	<EF7AC8CC7EF0430A927541A1C9DD5D09@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <4DB0966E.14896.2881A68F@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/04/21/amazon_cloud_probs/

Remember this the next time someone suggests moving core business data to the Cloud.





From gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Apr 21 16:53:47 2011
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2011 23:53:47 +0200
Subject: [dba-Tech] Switch a Windows XP Home into an XP Professional
Message-ID: <sdb0c3aa.037@cactus.dk>

Hi all

We are moving into Active Directory. Thus, a couple of Windows XP Home machines had to be upgraded to XP Professional to be able to join the domain.
Facing this non-productive workload, I recalled that an XP Pro version is nothing more than a non-crippled XP Home version.
And it is. For those of you not aware of this, here is explained how to make the switch in minutes and with zero reinstall of apps etc.:

http://www.codingforums.com/archive/index.php/t-34191.html 
<quote>
This will let you join a computer to a Domain.
You may not be able to get anymore security updates after making this change.

To convert and upgrade Windows XP Home to Windows XP Professional, follow procedure below.

1.Open Registry Editor (regedit).
2.Navigate to HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE/SYSTEM/ControlSet00X/Control/ProductOptions, where ControlSet00X is the one with the highest number.

3.Delete the ProductSuite registry key.
4.Then, create a new DWORD value and named it as Brand.
5.Set the "Brand" value data as 0.

6.Reboot the system.
7.On boot up after the BIOS screen, press F8 to display Windows XP Startup Menu.
8.Choose Last Known Good Configuration (LNG) and hit Enter.

Windows XP will start up as usual. 
After logging into the desktop, check the system properties to verify that it's now Windows XP Professional.
</quote>

Of course, you will have to supply a valid XP Professional product key. If you don't, XP will run, but the Windows "Genuine Advantage" Update will be haunting you and Windows Update may cease to operate. However, having the key, this is easy - there even exists a video showing how to perform this task:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPmI1oFUrg4

/gustav




From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Apr 21 21:46:23 2011
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2011 19:46:23 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Cloud computing
In-Reply-To: <4DB0966E.14896.2881A68F@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <4DA90BC0.5000508@torchlake.com> <4DADA0C1.4080807@torchlake.com>
	<EF7AC8CC7EF0430A927541A1C9DD5D09@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<4DB0966E.14896.2881A68F@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <429D21A63BFF4764B1D41682AE712EA9@creativesystemdesigns.com>

When it comes to computers always wear suspenders and a belt. Things always
crash when the work load is highest...that is a simple rule of nature.
Always backup and then always check your backups as they may not want to
restore.

The Cloud is an evolving technolgy and as being that, it will take a while
before it stablizes. With the Amazon issue I suspect human involvement but
whether that comes out or not will be interesting to hear. ;-)

Jim



-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2011 1:41 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] Cloud computing

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/04/21/amazon_cloud_probs/

Remember this the next time someone suggests moving core business data to
the Cloud.



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From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Apr 21 21:50:13 2011
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2011 19:50:13 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Switch a Windows XP Home into an XP Professional
In-Reply-To: <sdb0c3aa.037@cactus.dk>
References: <sdb0c3aa.037@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <544B6206451E4AE2B34C642B5A16E8F0@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Thanks for the technical explaination, Gustav. 

Did it once a while back, when trying to make an XP box into a web server
(it worked) but now it is great to have the real docs at my finger-tips. 

This entry will be tagged and saved.

Jim



-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2011 2:54 PM
To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [dba-Tech] Switch a Windows XP Home into an XP Professional

Hi all

We are moving into Active Directory. Thus, a couple of Windows XP Home
machines had to be upgraded to XP Professional to be able to join the
domain.
Facing this non-productive workload, I recalled that an XP Pro version is
nothing more than a non-crippled XP Home version.
And it is. For those of you not aware of this, here is explained how to make
the switch in minutes and with zero reinstall of apps etc.:

http://www.codingforums.com/archive/index.php/t-34191.html 
<quote>
This will let you join a computer to a Domain.
You may not be able to get anymore security updates after making this
change.

To convert and upgrade Windows XP Home to Windows XP Professional, follow
procedure below.

1.Open Registry Editor (regedit).
2.Navigate to
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE/SYSTEM/ControlSet00X/Control/ProductOptions, where
ControlSet00X is the one with the highest number.

3.Delete the ProductSuite registry key.
4.Then, create a new DWORD value and named it as Brand.
5.Set the "Brand" value data as 0.

6.Reboot the system.
7.On boot up after the BIOS screen, press F8 to display Windows XP Startup
Menu.
8.Choose Last Known Good Configuration (LNG) and hit Enter.

Windows XP will start up as usual. 
After logging into the desktop, check the system properties to verify that
it's now Windows XP Professional.
</quote>

Of course, you will have to supply a valid XP Professional product key. If
you don't, XP will run, but the Windows "Genuine Advantage" Update will be
haunting you and Windows Update may cease to operate. However, having the
key, this is easy - there even exists a video showing how to perform this
task:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPmI1oFUrg4

/gustav


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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sat Apr 23 10:39:58 2011
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2011 08:39:58 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] The new Super Power server
In-Reply-To: <429D21A63BFF4764B1D41682AE712EA9@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <4DA90BC0.5000508@torchlake.com> <4DADA0C1.4080807@torchlake.com>
	<EF7AC8CC7EF0430A927541A1C9DD5D09@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<4DB0966E.14896.2881A68F@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<429D21A63BFF4764B1D41682AE712EA9@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <35F6ACB7A3C54033946551E3B6580C6D@creativesystemdesigns.com>

For all you boys and girls who want the best in server software you have to
look no further than Ubuntu 11.04. Its features matches or surpasses most
server software on the market but the initial cost are, well free.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/04/21/ubuntu_server_11_04/

But if after you have installed your big hulking server or server farm and
now have worked yourself into a corner there is help.

A standard support contract with 9x5 business-hour support costs $700 per
server per year, while an advanced contract covering 24x7 over a year costs
$1,200. The essential contract, which is the barebones support deal from
Canonical that gives you access to the knowledge base and handholding for
installation of Ubuntu Server and basic applications such as Web, print, and
file serving, costs $320 per year.

Considering that Microsoft's single assistance incident is $365, it is a
real deal.

So if you are setting up a client's new server why not just add the cost of
a year support contract on top ($100 a month per server) and build and
charge everything from there?

Jim



From accessd at shaw.ca  Sat Apr 23 11:06:51 2011
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2011 09:06:51 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] 3D sound to go with 3D video
In-Reply-To: <35F6ACB7A3C54033946551E3B6580C6D@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <4DA90BC0.5000508@torchlake.com> <4DADA0C1.4080807@torchlake.com>
	<EF7AC8CC7EF0430A927541A1C9DD5D09@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<4DB0966E.14896.2881A68F@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<429D21A63BFF4764B1D41682AE712EA9@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<35F6ACB7A3C54033946551E3B6580C6D@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <D880E1A95D5649CDB6ADEACDE65B17C4@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Someone emailed me this link and it is quite incredible. It requires no
special equipment just a properly recorded sound. Hard to believe? Well,
check the following YouTube video out:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQmQD27uCt0

Jim

PS a good set of speakers and a quiet office would be a plus.



From df.waters at comcast.net  Sat Apr 23 16:59:07 2011
From: df.waters at comcast.net (Dan Waters)
Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2011 16:59:07 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] 3D sound to go with 3D video
In-Reply-To: <D880E1A95D5649CDB6ADEACDE65B17C4@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <4DA90BC0.5000508@torchlake.com>
	<4DADA0C1.4080807@torchlake.com>	<EF7AC8CC7EF0430A927541A1C9DD5D09@creativesystemdesigns.com>	<4DB0966E.14896.2881A68F@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>	<429D21A63BFF4764B1D41682AE712EA9@creativesystemdesigns.com>	<35F6ACB7A3C54033946551E3B6580C6D@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<D880E1A95D5649CDB6ADEACDE65B17C4@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <001501cc0201$ab8cdc60$02a69520$@comcast.net>

Wonderful!  I'm ready to hear Aerosmith and Credence!

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2011 11:07 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: [dba-Tech] 3D sound to go with 3D video

Someone emailed me this link and it is quite incredible. It requires no
special equipment just a properly recorded sound. Hard to believe? Well,
check the following YouTube video out:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQmQD27uCt0

Jim

PS a good set of speakers and a quiet office would be a plus.

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From jon at tydda.plus.com  Sat Apr 23 17:32:30 2011
From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda)
Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2011 23:32:30 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] 3D sound to go with 3D video
In-Reply-To: <001501cc0201$ab8cdc60$02a69520$@comcast.net>
References: <4DA90BC0.5000508@torchlake.com><4DADA0C1.4080807@torchlake.com>	<EF7AC8CC7EF0430A927541A1C9DD5D09@creativesystemdesigns.com>	<4DB0966E.14896.2881A68F@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>	<429D21A63BFF4764B1D41682AE712EA9@creativesystemdesigns.com>	<35F6ACB7A3C54033946551E3B6580C6D@creativesystemdesigns.com><D880E1A95D5649CDB6ADEACDE65B17C4@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<001501cc0201$ab8cdc60$02a69520$@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <8624D85CB834471399FA4C9B8AEAC94C@jt2c>

I'm waiting for the next re-re-release of Star Wars, where you can hear the
TIE Fighters going around behind you... 


Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: 23 April 2011 22:59
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] 3D sound to go with 3D video

Wonderful!  I'm ready to hear Aerosmith and Credence!

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2011 11:07 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: [dba-Tech] 3D sound to go with 3D video

Someone emailed me this link and it is quite incredible. It requires no
special equipment just a properly recorded sound. Hard to believe? Well,
check the following YouTube video out:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQmQD27uCt0

Jim

PS a good set of speakers and a quiet office would be a plus.

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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sat Apr 23 18:07:02 2011
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2011 09:07:02 +1000
Subject: [dba-Tech] 3D sound to go with 3D video
In-Reply-To: <8624D85CB834471399FA4C9B8AEAC94C@jt2c>
References: <4DA90BC0.5000508@torchlake.com>,
	<001501cc0201$ab8cdc60$02a69520$@comcast.net>,
	<8624D85CB834471399FA4C9B8AEAC94C@jt2c>
Message-ID: <4DB35B96.11713.3353CB66@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

In space, where no-one can hear you scream :-)

-- 
Stuart

On 23 Apr 2011 at 23:32, Jon Tydda wrote:

> I'm waiting for the next re-re-release of Star Wars, where you can
> hear the TIE Fighters going around behind you... 
> 
> 
> Jon
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
> Sent: 23 April 2011 22:59 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software
> issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] 3D sound to go with 3D video
> 
> Wonderful!  I'm ready to hear Aerosmith and Credence!
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim
> Lawrence Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2011 11:07 AM To: 'Discussion of
> Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] 3D sound to go with
> 3D video
> 
> Someone emailed me this link and it is quite incredible. It requires
> no special equipment just a properly recorded sound. Hard to believe?
> Well, check the following YouTube video out:
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQmQD27uCt0
> 
> Jim
> 
> PS a good set of speakers and a quiet office would be a plus.
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 





From accessd at shaw.ca  Sun Apr 24 10:28:12 2011
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2011 08:28:12 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Become a Planet Hunter
In-Reply-To: <4DB35B96.11713.3353CB66@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <4DA90BC0.5000508@torchlake.com>
	<001501cc0201$ab8cdc60$02a69520$@comcast.net>
	<8624D85CB834471399FA4C9B8AEAC94C@jt2c>
	<4DB35B96.11713.3353CB66@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <96966E1D94FE4A19817C106DA5741C3F@creativesystemdesigns.com>

You too can become a planet hunter.

http://www.planethunters.org/science

Jim



From ssharkins at gmail.com  Sun Apr 24 13:16:24 2011
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2011 14:16:24 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Word question
Message-ID: <A619D0AD68E54D14B937732BE77F16B1@SusanHarkins>

Word's StyleRef field returns the first and last occurrence of a specific style on the current page, if used in the header/footer. I'm using it with a table and it works find for finding the first item in the table, but not the last. The table is the only thing on the page. If I remove the table, the StyleRef with \L switch works fine. Any clue what the problem is? 

Susan H. 

From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Mon Apr 25 11:08:25 2011
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 12:08:25 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Word question
In-Reply-To: <A619D0AD68E54D14B937732BE77F16B1@SusanHarkins>
References: <A619D0AD68E54D14B937732BE77F16B1@SusanHarkins>
Message-ID: <4DB59C79.5090505@torchlake.com>

Hi Susan,
That's the same trick I use in our zoning ordinance, to get the first 
and last sections on the page listed in the header.  I'm sending you, 
off-list, a document with tables and styles, culled from my zoning 
ordinance.  I did discover that there are some quirks that can make one 
of the fields not register properly.  I haven't sorted out exactly what 
the quirk is, but I'm pretty sure at this point that it is an issue 
separate from the existence of tables.
T

Susan Harkins wrote:
> Word's StyleRef field returns the first and last occurrence of a specific style on the current page, if used in the header/footer. I'm using it with a table and it works find for finding the first item in the table, but not the last. The table is the only thing on the page. If I remove the table, the StyleRef with \L switch works fine. Any clue what the problem is? 
>
> Susan H. 
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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Mon Apr 25 11:22:04 2011
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 12:22:04 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Word question
References: <A619D0AD68E54D14B937732BE77F16B1@SusanHarkins>
	<4DB59C79.5090505@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <A4E6323D4B8B4D70BD375BDF7FC9BF55@SusanHarkins>

Never did figure it out Tina. If I delete the table, the field works. With 
it, nothing. What little I found online, blamed it on the end of row 
markers, which would also explain why the fields display the data from only 
the first cell, when in table format, but display the entire row when you 
remove the table.

Susan H.


> Hi Susan,
> That's the same trick I use in our zoning ordinance, to get the first and 
> last sections on the page listed in the header.  I'm sending you, 
> off-list, a document with tables and styles, culled from my zoning 
> ordinance.  I did discover that there are some quirks that can make one of 
> the fields not register properly.  I haven't sorted out exactly what the 
> quirk is, but I'm pretty sure at this point that it is an issue separate 
> from the existence of tables.
> T
>
> Susan Harkins wrote:
>> Word's StyleRef field returns the first and last occurrence of a specific 
>> style on the current page, if used in the header/footer. I'm using it 
>> with a table and it works find for finding the first item in the table, 
>> but not the last. The table is the only thing on the page. If I remove 
>> the table, the StyleRef with \L switch works fine. Any clue what the 
>> problem is?
>> Susan H. _______________________________________________
>> dba-Tech mailing list
>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>>
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From erbachs at gmail.com  Wed Apr 27 17:37:27 2011
From: erbachs at gmail.com (Steve Erbach)
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2011 17:37:27 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] VPN and Remote Desktop and Terminal Server
Message-ID: <BANLkTinYzm_voJfbjRBDteiXPLk4Y8XUYQ@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Group,

I'm in a bit of a bind due to something stupid I did at a client's
site yesterday and I wonder if you can help me.

Because I reset the cable modem yesterday to attempt to reset the
security code (since my client had, apparently, lost it) I also did
something to the ability to dial in via VPN and Remote Desktop to the
Terminal Server on the LAN.

The former network consultant (now very likely in jail for various
mopery and dopery) did not leave a trail of what he did in a number of
areas on the LAN.  I'm now the de facto network admin for this Windows
Server 2003 Enterprise Edition server.

The consultant had used DynDNS.org to set up a free DNS account to
connect to the company VPN.  When the modem was reset (Gosh!  Who did
that?) the IP address was reset, too.  Since I don't know the login or
password for the DynDNS.org account, I couldn't simply change it
there...so I set up another DNS account using my own DynDNS account.
I picked a domain name for the new IP address and *I can ping it
OK*...but I can't connect to the company VPN.

For whatever reason, our own cable modem at home acquired a new IP
address, too, at about this same time...so I'm wondering if the
company VPN is disallowing connections from a "foreign" IP address.

So my FIRST QUESTION is, where do I look in Windows Server 2003 to
determine if there are only certain IP addresses that are allowed to
dial in via Remote Desktop?

I talked with the cable company about another possibility: that maybe
the modem/router itself was blocking access to port 3389 (the Remote
Desktop port) since I bone-headedly reset the darned thing.  The tech
support guy said that their equipment doesn't block ANY Internet
ports.  I thought this odd since our own little D-Link router here at
home blocks everything by default UNLESS you tell it otherwise.
That's what I've done to allow us to Remote Desktop into our own PCs.

So my SECOND QUESTION is, was the cable support guy perhaps not giving
me the straight scoop about the modem/router's being open to
everything?

One other thing.  The IPCONFIG /all report on the server used to show
that the Default Gateway was some IP address like 67.43.something.
Now the Default Gateway shows 192.168.something...a local address.

So my THIRD QUESTION is, might that big change in Default Gateway IP
address be contributing to our problems resetting the Remote Desktop
capability?

Sorry for all the questions, but I only have a fairly mediocre
knowledge of IP networking.  Enough to be a danger to myself and
others (like, by resetting modems and stuff)...but not enough to solve
problems like these.

Thank you all.

Regards,

Steve Erbach
Neenah, WI


From erbachs at gmail.com  Wed Apr 27 17:39:21 2011
From: erbachs at gmail.com (Steve Erbach)
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2011 17:39:21 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] The new Super Power server
In-Reply-To: <35F6ACB7A3C54033946551E3B6580C6D@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <4DA90BC0.5000508@torchlake.com> <4DADA0C1.4080807@torchlake.com>
	<EF7AC8CC7EF0430A927541A1C9DD5D09@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<4DB0966E.14896.2881A68F@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<429D21A63BFF4764B1D41682AE712EA9@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<35F6ACB7A3C54033946551E3B6580C6D@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <BANLkTi=DjJ-7AyoXoFK9bjbeHmn625eJhQ@mail.gmail.com>

Jim,

I definitely would if I were a Linux guy.  Got my hands full trying to
be a Windows Server guy.

Steve Erbach
Neenah, WI

On Sat, Apr 23, 2011 at 10:39 AM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
> For all you boys and girls who want the best in server software you have to
> look no further than Ubuntu 11.04. Its features matches or surpasses most
> server software on the market but the initial cost are, well free.
>
> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/04/21/ubuntu_server_11_04/
>
> But if after you have installed your big hulking server or server farm and
> now have worked yourself into a corner there is help.
>
> A standard support contract with 9x5 business-hour support costs $700 per
> server per year, while an advanced contract covering 24x7 over a year costs
> $1,200. The essential contract, which is the barebones support deal from
> Canonical that gives you access to the knowledge base and handholding for
> installation of Ubuntu Server and basic applications such as Web, print, and
> file serving, costs $320 per year.
>
> Considering that Microsoft's single assistance incident is $365, it is a
> real deal.
>
> So if you are setting up a client's new server why not just add the cost of
> a year support contract on top ($100 a month per server) and build and
> charge everything from there?
>
> Jim
>


From erbachs at gmail.com  Wed Apr 27 17:50:30 2011
From: erbachs at gmail.com (Steve Erbach)
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2011 17:50:30 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] RAID 5 repair
Message-ID: <BANLkTikf69uZmZL-Fe8TQtMhbUHYH9nnqA@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Group,

My client that I'm having trouble with the VPN/Remote Desktop also has
a dead RAID 5 drive.  It's a four drive array and the three remaining
drives are doing what they're supposed to be doing.  I've given drive
replacement info to my client (the drives are CHEAP) but he hasn't
bought any yet.

My question is (besides how do I slap some sense into his thick
head!): is there any preparation I need to do with the drive before I
slot it in and allow the RAID controller to re-synch the drive array?
That is, format it or something?  Or does the RAID controller take
care of that after I've installed the new drive?

It's an HP server that's about 4-5 years old using drives like the following:

COMPAQ BF03664664
(http://www.serversupply.com/HARD%20DRIVES%20W-TRAY/ULTRA160-SCSI/36GB-15000RPM/HP-COMPAQ/BF03664664.htm)

Any thoughts or advice? Thanks.

Regards,

Steve Erbach
Neenah, WI


From jason at purplecone.com  Wed Apr 27 19:58:52 2011
From: jason at purplecone.com (Jason Strickland)
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2011 20:58:52 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] RAID 5 repair
Message-ID: <3ftvqeb46koykyx540xdmq15.1303952332627@email.android.com>

We have some of those drives too. Just swap it out and let the server take care of it.

Steve Erbach <erbachs at gmail.com> wrote:

>Dear Group,
>
>My client that I'm having trouble with the VPN/Remote Desktop also has
>a dead RAID 5 drive.  It's a four drive array and the three remaining
>drives are doing what they're supposed to be doing.  I've given drive
>replacement info to my client (the drives are CHEAP) but he hasn't
>bought any yet.
>
>My question is (besides how do I slap some sense into his thick
>head!): is there any preparation I need to do with the drive before I
>slot it in and allow the RAID controller to re-synch the drive array?
>That is, format it or something?  Or does the RAID controller take
>care of that after I've installed the new drive?
>
>It's an HP server that's about 4-5 years old using drives like the following:
>
>COMPAQ BF03664664
>(http://www.serversupply.com/HARD%20DRIVES%20W-TRAY/ULTRA160-SCSI/36GB-15000RPM/HP-COMPAQ/BF03664664.htm)
>
>Any thoughts or advice? Thanks.
>
>Regards,
>
>Steve Erbach
>Neenah, WI
>_______________________________________________
>dba-Tech mailing list
>dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com



From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Apr 27 20:22:10 2011
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2011 18:22:10 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] RAID 5 repair
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTikf69uZmZL-Fe8TQtMhbUHYH9nnqA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BANLkTikf69uZmZL-Fe8TQtMhbUHYH9nnqA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BC529468811141FB8A4BB69B35D7D3B0@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Most RAIDS have a default process keystroke combination during the bootup
sequence like <Ctrl-A>. This either accesses the motherboard ROM or the ROM
on the RAID controller. From there it should be a simply selection menu to
choose the newly installed drive and run the format and striping process. 

Before you do anything check the web for any oddities or info you need to
know on the drives and RAID controller...some have issues that should be
addressed like new firm upgrades, incompatibility issues and configuration
cautions etc. Some of the older drive sizes and configurations like a type
of SCSI or IDE are hard to find today. 

Once you have found the right combination and the appropriate equipment note
the process times needed to synchronize a new added drive. Sometimes the
process can take as much as 12 hours so be aware that the weekend would be
the best time to start such a process as in the worse case scenario there is
still time to recover from a crashed drive or something like that.

Once you are ready to start just inform the owner of the requirements and
the estimated costs and ask for the keys. He will either say just go ahead
or say no.

Also check with Drew as he appears to have had a fair bit of recent
experience with setting up a RAID 5 system.

Jim

  

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Erbach
Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2011 3:51 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] RAID 5 repair

Dear Group,

My client that I'm having trouble with the VPN/Remote Desktop also has
a dead RAID 5 drive.  It's a four drive array and the three remaining
drives are doing what they're supposed to be doing.  I've given drive
replacement info to my client (the drives are CHEAP) but he hasn't
bought any yet.

My question is (besides how do I slap some sense into his thick
head!): is there any preparation I need to do with the drive before I
slot it in and allow the RAID controller to re-synch the drive array?
That is, format it or something?  Or does the RAID controller take
care of that after I've installed the new drive?

It's an HP server that's about 4-5 years old using drives like the
following:

COMPAQ BF03664664
(http://www.serversupply.com/HARD%20DRIVES%20W-TRAY/ULTRA160-SCSI/36GB-15000
RPM/HP-COMPAQ/BF03664664.htm)

Any thoughts or advice? Thanks.

Regards,

Steve Erbach
Neenah, WI
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From erbachs at gmail.com  Thu Apr 28 08:35:13 2011
From: erbachs at gmail.com (Steve Erbach)
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 08:35:13 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] RAID 5 repair
In-Reply-To: <BC529468811141FB8A4BB69B35D7D3B0@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <BANLkTikf69uZmZL-Fe8TQtMhbUHYH9nnqA@mail.gmail.com>
	<BC529468811141FB8A4BB69B35D7D3B0@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <BANLkTi=X2a-pnV8sqfN5ucvQQrxQbo+xEA@mail.gmail.com>

Jim,

>> Once you are ready to start just inform the owner of the requirements and
the estimated costs and ask for the keys. He will either say just go ahead
or say no. <<

Heh!  I've been working with this guy since '91 or '92.  That's why I
facetiously asked in my first message about slapping some sense into
his head.  He waits on EVERYTHING.  In all the time I've known him he
has NEVER considered buying even semi-adequate backup for his servers.
 His "backup" consists of a weekly XCOPY of the contents of his
network data drive to one of the workstations on the network.  That's
it.

So getting him to spend $30 or $40 to replace a RAID drive?  Hardly
seems worth it, don't you think?  My God!  I had to virtually beg him
to spend $21 on PC Tools Registry Mechanic (which I swear by) to help
fix some registry issues on an infected workstation...and he only did
it because I promised to reimburse him if it didn't fix the issue. (It
didn't, by the way, so I reimbursed him.  Had to find something
on-line, a REG file that re-established the EXE file association on an
XP PC that had been attacked.)

Anyway, I feel like buying the drives myself and hiding the charge in
my next invoice just so he doesn't have to take the effort to buy the
drives himself. I suggested that he purchase four right away and then
swap them into the array one by one over successive weekends.  He
knows all this...but he still dithers about spending maybe $120 for
four drives.  Gad!

Thank you, Jim.

Steve Erbach
Neenah, WI

On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 8:22 PM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
> Most RAIDS have a default process keystroke combination during the bootup
> sequence like <Ctrl-A>. This either accesses the motherboard ROM or the ROM
> on the RAID controller. From there it should be a simply selection menu to
> choose the newly installed drive and run the format and striping process.
>
> Before you do anything check the web for any oddities or info you need to
> know on the drives and RAID controller...some have issues that should be
> addressed like new firm upgrades, incompatibility issues and configuration
> cautions etc. Some of the older drive sizes and configurations like a type
> of SCSI or IDE are hard to find today.
>
> Once you have found the right combination and the appropriate equipment note
> the process times needed to synchronize a new added drive. Sometimes the
> process can take as much as 12 hours so be aware that the weekend would be
> the best time to start such a process as in the worse case scenario there is
> still time to recover from a crashed drive or something like that.
>
> Once you are ready to start just inform the owner of the requirements and
> the estimated costs and ask for the keys. He will either say just go ahead
> or say no.
>
> Also check with Drew as he appears to have had a fair bit of recent
> experience with setting up a RAID 5 system.
>
> Jim
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Erbach
> Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2011 3:51 PM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: [dba-Tech] RAID 5 repair
>
> Dear Group,
>
> My client that I'm having trouble with the VPN/Remote Desktop also has
> a dead RAID 5 drive. ?It's a four drive array and the three remaining
> drives are doing what they're supposed to be doing. ?I've given drive
> replacement info to my client (the drives are CHEAP) but he hasn't
> bought any yet.
>
> My question is (besides how do I slap some sense into his thick
> head!): is there any preparation I need to do with the drive before I
> slot it in and allow the RAID controller to re-synch the drive array?
> That is, format it or something? ?Or does the RAID controller take
> care of that after I've installed the new drive?
>
> It's an HP server that's about 4-5 years old using drives like the
> following:
>
> COMPAQ BF03664664
> (http://www.serversupply.com/HARD%20DRIVES%20W-TRAY/ULTRA160-SCSI/36GB-15000
> RPM/HP-COMPAQ/BF03664664.htm)
>
> Any thoughts or advice? Thanks.
>
> Regards,
>
> Steve Erbach



From jon.tydda at lonza.com  Thu Apr 28 09:04:40 2011
From: jon.tydda at lonza.com (Tydda Jon - Slough)
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 16:04:40 +0200
Subject: [dba-Tech] RAID 5 repair
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTi=X2a-pnV8sqfN5ucvQQrxQbo+xEA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BANLkTikf69uZmZL-Fe8TQtMhbUHYH9nnqA@mail.gmail.com>
	<BC529468811141FB8A4BB69B35D7D3B0@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<BANLkTi=X2a-pnV8sqfN5ucvQQrxQbo+xEA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A750CC0AAE63CB489C58478FF67DE63215F595CB0C@chvex03.lonzagroup.net>

Take one of the other drives out too, and tell him he's lost all his data, but that you can get it all back for a $200 outlay? :-)


Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Erbach
Sent: 28 April 2011 14:35
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] RAID 5 repair

Jim,

>> Once you are ready to start just inform the owner of the requirements
>> and
the estimated costs and ask for the keys. He will either say just go ahead or say no. <<

Heh!  I've been working with this guy since '91 or '92.  That's why I facetiously asked in my first message about slapping some sense into his head.  He waits on EVERYTHING.  In all the time I've known him he has NEVER considered buying even semi-adequate backup for his servers.
 His "backup" consists of a weekly XCOPY of the contents of his network data drive to one of the workstations on the network.  That's it.

So getting him to spend $30 or $40 to replace a RAID drive?  Hardly seems worth it, don't you think?  My God!  I had to virtually beg him to spend $21 on PC Tools Registry Mechanic (which I swear by) to help fix some registry issues on an infected workstation...and he only did it because I promised to reimburse him if it didn't fix the issue. (It didn't, by the way, so I reimbursed him.  Had to find something on-line, a REG file that re-established the EXE file association on an XP PC that had been attacked.)

Anyway, I feel like buying the drives myself and hiding the charge in my next invoice just so he doesn't have to take the effort to buy the drives himself. I suggested that he purchase four right away and then swap them into the array one by one over successive weekends.  He knows all this...but he still dithers about spending maybe $120 for four drives.  Gad!

Thank you, Jim.

Steve Erbach
Neenah, WI

On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 8:22 PM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
> Most RAIDS have a default process keystroke combination during the
> bootup sequence like <Ctrl-A>. This either accesses the motherboard
> ROM or the ROM on the RAID controller. From there it should be a
> simply selection menu to choose the newly installed drive and run the format and striping process.
>
> Before you do anything check the web for any oddities or info you need
> to know on the drives and RAID controller...some have issues that
> should be addressed like new firm upgrades, incompatibility issues and
> configuration cautions etc. Some of the older drive sizes and
> configurations like a type of SCSI or IDE are hard to find today.
>
> Once you have found the right combination and the appropriate
> equipment note the process times needed to synchronize a new added
> drive. Sometimes the process can take as much as 12 hours so be aware
> that the weekend would be the best time to start such a process as in
> the worse case scenario there is still time to recover from a crashed drive or something like that.
>
> Once you are ready to start just inform the owner of the requirements
> and the estimated costs and ask for the keys. He will either say just
> go ahead or say no.
>
> Also check with Drew as he appears to have had a fair bit of recent
> experience with setting up a RAID 5 system.
>
> Jim
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve
> Erbach
> Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2011 3:51 PM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: [dba-Tech] RAID 5 repair
>
> Dear Group,
>
> My client that I'm having trouble with the VPN/Remote Desktop also has
> a dead RAID 5 drive.  It's a four drive array and the three remaining
> drives are doing what they're supposed to be doing.  I've given drive
> replacement info to my client (the drives are CHEAP) but he hasn't
> bought any yet.
>
> My question is (besides how do I slap some sense into his thick
> head!): is there any preparation I need to do with the drive before I
> slot it in and allow the RAID controller to re-synch the drive array?
> That is, format it or something?  Or does the RAID controller take
> care of that after I've installed the new drive?
>
> It's an HP server that's about 4-5 years old using drives like the
> following:
>
> COMPAQ BF03664664
> (http://www.serversupply.com/HARD%20DRIVES%20W-TRAY/ULTRA160-SCSI/36GB
> -15000
> RPM/HP-COMPAQ/BF03664664.htm)
>
> Any thoughts or advice? Thanks.
>
> Regards,
>
> Steve Erbach

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Apr 28 09:53:26 2011
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 07:53:26 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] RAID 5 repair
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References: <BANLkTikf69uZmZL-Fe8TQtMhbUHYH9nnqA@mail.gmail.com>
	<BC529468811141FB8A4BB69B35D7D3B0@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<BANLkTi=X2a-pnV8sqfN5ucvQQrxQbo+xEA@mail.gmail.com>
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That all sounds like nickle and dime stuff. Be aware that even if you are
doing a near freeby you are legally on the hook for anything that goes
wrong.

Jim



-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Erbach
Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 6:35 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] RAID 5 repair

Jim,

>> Once you are ready to start just inform the owner of the requirements and
the estimated costs and ask for the keys. He will either say just go ahead
or say no. <<

Heh!  I've been working with this guy since '91 or '92.  That's why I
facetiously asked in my first message about slapping some sense into
his head.  He waits on EVERYTHING.  In all the time I've known him he
has NEVER considered buying even semi-adequate backup for his servers.
 His "backup" consists of a weekly XCOPY of the contents of his
network data drive to one of the workstations on the network.  That's
it.

So getting him to spend $30 or $40 to replace a RAID drive?  Hardly
seems worth it, don't you think?  My God!  I had to virtually beg him
to spend $21 on PC Tools Registry Mechanic (which I swear by) to help
fix some registry issues on an infected workstation...and he only did
it because I promised to reimburse him if it didn't fix the issue. (It
didn't, by the way, so I reimbursed him.  Had to find something
on-line, a REG file that re-established the EXE file association on an
XP PC that had been attacked.)

Anyway, I feel like buying the drives myself and hiding the charge in
my next invoice just so he doesn't have to take the effort to buy the
drives himself. I suggested that he purchase four right away and then
swap them into the array one by one over successive weekends.  He
knows all this...but he still dithers about spending maybe $120 for
four drives.  Gad!

Thank you, Jim.

Steve Erbach
Neenah, WI

On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 8:22 PM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
> Most RAIDS have a default process keystroke combination during the bootup
> sequence like <Ctrl-A>. This either accesses the motherboard ROM or the
ROM
> on the RAID controller. From there it should be a simply selection menu to
> choose the newly installed drive and run the format and striping process.
>
> Before you do anything check the web for any oddities or info you need to
> know on the drives and RAID controller...some have issues that should be
> addressed like new firm upgrades, incompatibility issues and configuration
> cautions etc. Some of the older drive sizes and configurations like a type
> of SCSI or IDE are hard to find today.
>
> Once you have found the right combination and the appropriate equipment
note
> the process times needed to synchronize a new added drive. Sometimes the
> process can take as much as 12 hours so be aware that the weekend would be
> the best time to start such a process as in the worse case scenario there
is
> still time to recover from a crashed drive or something like that.
>
> Once you are ready to start just inform the owner of the requirements and
> the estimated costs and ask for the keys. He will either say just go ahead
> or say no.
>
> Also check with Drew as he appears to have had a fair bit of recent
> experience with setting up a RAID 5 system.
>
> Jim
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Erbach
> Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2011 3:51 PM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: [dba-Tech] RAID 5 repair
>
> Dear Group,
>
> My client that I'm having trouble with the VPN/Remote Desktop also has
> a dead RAID 5 drive. ?It's a four drive array and the three remaining
> drives are doing what they're supposed to be doing. ?I've given drive
> replacement info to my client (the drives are CHEAP) but he hasn't
> bought any yet.
>
> My question is (besides how do I slap some sense into his thick
> head!): is there any preparation I need to do with the drive before I
> slot it in and allow the RAID controller to re-synch the drive array?
> That is, format it or something? ?Or does the RAID controller take
> care of that after I've installed the new drive?
>
> It's an HP server that's about 4-5 years old using drives like the
> following:
>
> COMPAQ BF03664664
>
(http://www.serversupply.com/HARD%20DRIVES%20W-TRAY/ULTRA160-SCSI/36GB-15000
> RPM/HP-COMPAQ/BF03664664.htm)
>
> Any thoughts or advice? Thanks.
>
> Regards,
>
> Steve Erbach

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From john at winhaven.net  Thu Apr 28 10:42:09 2011
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 10:42:09 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] RAID 5 repair
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTi=X2a-pnV8sqfN5ucvQQrxQbo+xEA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BANLkTikf69uZmZL-Fe8TQtMhbUHYH9nnqA@mail.gmail.com>	<BC529468811141FB8A4BB69B35D7D3B0@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<BANLkTi=X2a-pnV8sqfN5ucvQQrxQbo+xEA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <005101cc05ba$d61b96d0$8252c470$@winhaven.net>

Wouldn't be an attorney by chance? I have an office suite with attorneys and
a CPA. You'd think the CPA would be the cheap one but no, she is the one
that understands 
The importance of having quality equipment (and of course the write-off she
can take for it). The attorneys are all so tight they must have squeaking
contests after hours. I once asked of the legal aides as to whether or not
they teach business management in Law school and she laughed out loud and
said "no way!"

BTW, there are free tools available that fix the sort of registry problems
caused by infections. Bing for ComboFix.

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Erbach
Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 8:35 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] RAID 5 repair

Jim,

>> Once you are ready to start just inform the owner of the requirements 
>> and
the estimated costs and ask for the keys. He will either say just go ahead
or say no. <<

Heh!  I've been working with this guy since '91 or '92.  That's why I
facetiously asked in my first message about slapping some sense into his
head.  He waits on EVERYTHING.  In all the time I've known him he has NEVER
considered buying even semi-adequate backup for his servers.
 His "backup" consists of a weekly XCOPY of the contents of his network data
drive to one of the workstations on the network.  That's it.

So getting him to spend $30 or $40 to replace a RAID drive?  Hardly seems
worth it, don't you think?  My God!  I had to virtually beg him to spend $21
on PC Tools Registry Mechanic (which I swear by) to help fix some registry
issues on an infected workstation...and he only did it because I promised to
reimburse him if it didn't fix the issue. (It didn't, by the way, so I
reimbursed him.  Had to find something on-line, a REG file that
re-established the EXE file association on an XP PC that had been attacked.)

Anyway, I feel like buying the drives myself and hiding the charge in my
next invoice just so he doesn't have to take the effort to buy the drives
himself. I suggested that he purchase four right away and then swap them
into the array one by one over successive weekends.  He knows all this...but
he still dithers about spending maybe $120 for four drives.  Gad!

Thank you, Jim.

Steve Erbach
Neenah, WI

On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 8:22 PM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
> Most RAIDS have a default process keystroke combination during the 
> bootup sequence like <Ctrl-A>. This either accesses the motherboard 
> ROM or the ROM on the RAID controller. From there it should be a 
> simply selection menu to choose the newly installed drive and run the
format and striping process.
>
> Before you do anything check the web for any oddities or info you need 
> to know on the drives and RAID controller...some have issues that 
> should be addressed like new firm upgrades, incompatibility issues and 
> configuration cautions etc. Some of the older drive sizes and 
> configurations like a type of SCSI or IDE are hard to find today.
>
> Once you have found the right combination and the appropriate 
> equipment note the process times needed to synchronize a new added 
> drive. Sometimes the process can take as much as 12 hours so be aware 
> that the weekend would be the best time to start such a process as in 
> the worse case scenario there is still time to recover from a crashed
drive or something like that.
>
> Once you are ready to start just inform the owner of the requirements 
> and the estimated costs and ask for the keys. He will either say just 
> go ahead or say no.
>
> Also check with Drew as he appears to have had a fair bit of recent 
> experience with setting up a RAID 5 system.
>
> Jim
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve 
> Erbach
> Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2011 3:51 PM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: [dba-Tech] RAID 5 repair
>
> Dear Group,
>
> My client that I'm having trouble with the VPN/Remote Desktop also has 
> a dead RAID 5 drive. ?It's a four drive array and the three remaining 
> drives are doing what they're supposed to be doing. ?I've given drive 
> replacement info to my client (the drives are CHEAP) but he hasn't 
> bought any yet.
>
> My question is (besides how do I slap some sense into his thick
> head!): is there any preparation I need to do with the drive before I 
> slot it in and allow the RAID controller to re-synch the drive array?
> That is, format it or something? ?Or does the RAID controller take 
> care of that after I've installed the new drive?
>
> It's an HP server that's about 4-5 years old using drives like the
> following:
>
> COMPAQ BF03664664
> (http://www.serversupply.com/HARD%20DRIVES%20W-TRAY/ULTRA160-SCSI/36GB
> -15000
> RPM/HP-COMPAQ/BF03664664.htm)
>
> Any thoughts or advice? Thanks.
>
> Regards,
>
> Steve Erbach

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From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Thu Apr 28 10:45:26 2011
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 11:45:26 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Not Sure Quite What I'm Dealing With Here
Message-ID: <4DB98B96.6050208@torchlake.com>

Okay, I've got a situation with a computer that is giving me fits.

Symptoms: 
1)  Windows update won't - clicking the update link generates an 
hourglass, then, nothing.
2)  Windows installer won't - trying to install anything generates the 
message that the installer cannot be accessed.
3)  Windows installer apparently tries to start when any icon on the 
desktop is right-clicked.
4)  At startup, a message appears saying that Vipre reports it is not 
running.
5)  Computer lost its wireless connection to the printer.
Symptoms 1 and 5 might suggest loss of all connectivity - not so!  
Internet access still available.  Network access to shared folders on 
other computers is still available.

Other issues have been discovered as we go along, but these are the 
immediately visible symptoms.

Before I go into the things I have tried, and what has worked for how 
long, and what hasn't worked at all, I thought I'd ask you guys if this 
constellation of symptoms rings any bells.  Do you recognize these 
difficulties?  Do you have any helpful suggestions?

This is the family computer for my kids Cheryl and Brad, and their 
kids.  Lots of email, IM-ing, games, etc.  About three months ago, it 
crashed - I suspected HD failure.  I got it revived with Spin-Rite 
(John, your advice that I should purchase that program was spot on and 
has served me well ever since!!!). 

I have lots more to tell about this adventure - 5 pages of handwritten 
notes, so far.  Thanks for your assistance.

T


From hkotsch at arcor.de  Thu Apr 28 11:09:40 2011
From: hkotsch at arcor.de (Helmut Kotsch)
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 18:09:40 +0200
Subject: [dba-Tech] Not Sure Quite What I'm Dealing With Here
In-Reply-To: <4DB98B96.6050208@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <JIECLJNJOMBJFEDLONCBMEOBIAAA.hkotsch@arcor.de>

Did you try a sytem restore?

Helmut

-----Ursprungliche Nachricht-----
Von: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]Im Auftrag von Tina Norris
Fields
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 28. April 2011 17:45
An: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Betreff: [dba-Tech] Not Sure Quite What I'm Dealing With Here


Okay, I've got a situation with a computer that is giving me fits.

Symptoms: 
1)  Windows update won't - clicking the update link generates an 
hourglass, then, nothing.
2)  Windows installer won't - trying to install anything generates the 
message that the installer cannot be accessed.
3)  Windows installer apparently tries to start when any icon on the 
desktop is right-clicked.
4)  At startup, a message appears saying that Vipre reports it is not 
running.
5)  Computer lost its wireless connection to the printer.
Symptoms 1 and 5 might suggest loss of all connectivity - not so!  
Internet access still available.  Network access to shared folders on 
other computers is still available.

Other issues have been discovered as we go along, but these are the 
immediately visible symptoms.

Before I go into the things I have tried, and what has worked for how 
long, and what hasn't worked at all, I thought I'd ask you guys if this 
constellation of symptoms rings any bells.  Do you recognize these 
difficulties?  Do you have any helpful suggestions?

This is the family computer for my kids Cheryl and Brad, and their 
kids.  Lots of email, IM-ing, games, etc.  About three months ago, it 
crashed - I suspected HD failure.  I got it revived with Spin-Rite 
(John, your advice that I should purchase that program was spot on and 
has served me well ever since!!!). 

I have lots more to tell about this adventure - 5 pages of handwritten 
notes, so far.  Thanks for your assistance.

T
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From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Thu Apr 28 11:26:24 2011
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 12:26:24 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Command line: move
In-Reply-To: <00de01cbf87f$b1739c30$145ad490$@winhaven.net>
References: <00de01cbf87f$b1739c30$145ad490$@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <4DB99530.7010401@torchlake.com>

John,

I believe I would use the COPY command, or maybe more likely, the XCOPY 
command,  to copy my source files to their destination
COPY source destination [/v] or XCOPY source destination 
[/A][/D][/E][/P][/S][/V][/W]

Options:
/A           Copy only those files with the archive attribute turned on; 
the state of the archive bit is not changed
/D:date    Copy only those files whose date is equal to or later than 
the specified date
/E            Create all subdirectories, even if empty
/M           Copy only those files with the archive attribute turned on: 
the state of the archive bit is turned off
/P            Prompt before copying each file
/S            Copy files in subdirectories
/V            Verify each write operation
/W           Wait until disk is inserted 

Then, I would use the DEL command to delete them from their original 
location
DEL file-name

To make things work smoothly, I'd probably want all the source files in 
one directory, or tree, so I could write something like this:
XCOPY C:\SOURCE\*.*   C:\DESTINATION\  /E /S /V
Followed by:
DEL C:\SOURCE\*.*

At least, that's where I'd start.  I know me, so I'd test it thoroughly 
before I relied on it.  :-)

Best,
T


John Bartow wrote:
> Hi all,
> I recall that some of you use the windows command line quite a bit yet.
>
> Can someone tell me what the command line would be to move all folders and
> files contained in a specific folder to another drive? 
>
> It's Something I want to do it a batch files and schedule for archiving
> purposes.
>
> TIA John B.
>
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From garykjos at gmail.com  Thu Apr 28 11:29:20 2011
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 11:29:20 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Not Sure Quite What I'm Dealing With Here
In-Reply-To: <4DB98B96.6050208@torchlake.com>
References: <4DB98B96.6050208@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <BANLkTimuYQUESBBnwQ4+CxAXp=MAA71q2Q@mail.gmail.com>

If you start in safe mode does it allow some of those things?

GK

On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 10:45 AM, Tina Norris Fields
<tinanfields at torchlake.com> wrote:
> Okay, I've got a situation with a computer that is giving me fits.
>
> Symptoms: 1) ?Windows update won't - clicking the update link generates an
> hourglass, then, nothing.
> 2) ?Windows installer won't - trying to install anything generates the
> message that the installer cannot be accessed.
> 3) ?Windows installer apparently tries to start when any icon on the desktop
> is right-clicked.
> 4) ?At startup, a message appears saying that Vipre reports it is not
> running.
> 5) ?Computer lost its wireless connection to the printer.
> Symptoms 1 and 5 might suggest loss of all connectivity - not so! ?Internet
> access still available. ?Network access to shared folders on other computers
> is still available.
>
> Other issues have been discovered as we go along, but these are the
> immediately visible symptoms.
>
> Before I go into the things I have tried, and what has worked for how long,
> and what hasn't worked at all, I thought I'd ask you guys if this
> constellation of symptoms rings any bells. ?Do you recognize these
> difficulties? ?Do you have any helpful suggestions?
>
> This is the family computer for my kids Cheryl and Brad, and their kids.
> ?Lots of email, IM-ing, games, etc. ?About three months ago, it crashed - I
> suspected HD failure. ?I got it revived with Spin-Rite (John, your advice
> that I should purchase that program was spot on and has served me well ever
> since!!!).
> I have lots more to tell about this adventure - 5 pages of handwritten
> notes, so far. ?Thanks for your assistance.
>
> T
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>



-- 
Gary Kjos
garykjos at gmail.com



From john at winhaven.net  Thu Apr 28 11:40:00 2011
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 11:40:00 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Not Sure Quite What I'm Dealing With Here
In-Reply-To: <4DB98B96.6050208@torchlake.com>
References: <4DB98B96.6050208@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <006601cc05c2$ea8c2870$bfa47950$@winhaven.net>

I'd suggest that maybe a windows update went bad. Try system restore.

Turn windows update to "prompt only". When you decide to apply Windows
Updates close all programs and turn off any active type security scanners.
Reboot when finished. If things go haywire then do a system restore and
selectively apply each update until you figure out which is the culprit.

Could be an infection too. If the above accomplishes nothing then make sure
your security programs are up to date and then boot into safe mode and run
full scans.

HTH!

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris
Fields
Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 10:45 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] Not Sure Quite What I'm Dealing With Here

Okay, I've got a situation with a computer that is giving me fits.

Symptoms: 
1)  Windows update won't - clicking the update link generates an hourglass,
then, nothing.
2)  Windows installer won't - trying to install anything generates the
message that the installer cannot be accessed.
3)  Windows installer apparently tries to start when any icon on the desktop
is right-clicked.
4)  At startup, a message appears saying that Vipre reports it is not
running.
5)  Computer lost its wireless connection to the printer.
Symptoms 1 and 5 might suggest loss of all connectivity - not so!  
Internet access still available.  Network access to shared folders on other
computers is still available.

Other issues have been discovered as we go along, but these are the
immediately visible symptoms.

Before I go into the things I have tried, and what has worked for how long,
and what hasn't worked at all, I thought I'd ask you guys if this
constellation of symptoms rings any bells.  Do you recognize these
difficulties?  Do you have any helpful suggestions?

This is the family computer for my kids Cheryl and Brad, and their kids.
Lots of email, IM-ing, games, etc.  About three months ago, it crashed - I
suspected HD failure.  I got it revived with Spin-Rite (John, your advice
that I should purchase that program was spot on and has served me well ever
since!!!). 

I have lots more to tell about this adventure - 5 pages of handwritten
notes, so far.  Thanks for your assistance.

T
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From john at winhaven.net  Thu Apr 28 11:49:09 2011
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 11:49:09 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Command line: move
In-Reply-To: <4DB99530.7010401@torchlake.com>
References: <00de01cbf87f$b1739c30$145ad490$@winhaven.net>
	<4DB99530.7010401@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <006701cc05c4$31c206f0$954614d0$@winhaven.net>

Hi Tina,
Thanks. I put together a nice system using RoboCopy, which is an awesome
command that I completely missed when it was released! Check it out when you
have some time.

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris
Fields
Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 11:26 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Command line: move

John,

I believe I would use the COPY command, or maybe more likely, the XCOPY
command,  to copy my source files to their destination COPY source
destination [/v] or XCOPY source destination [/A][/D][/E][/P][/S][/V][/W]

Options:
/A           Copy only those files with the archive attribute turned on; 
the state of the archive bit is not changed
/D:date    Copy only those files whose date is equal to or later than 
the specified date
/E            Create all subdirectories, even if empty
/M           Copy only those files with the archive attribute turned on: 
the state of the archive bit is turned off
/P            Prompt before copying each file
/S            Copy files in subdirectories
/V            Verify each write operation
/W           Wait until disk is inserted 

Then, I would use the DEL command to delete them from their original
location DEL file-name

To make things work smoothly, I'd probably want all the source files in one
directory, or tree, so I could write something like this:
XCOPY C:\SOURCE\*.*   C:\DESTINATION\  /E /S /V
Followed by:
DEL C:\SOURCE\*.*

At least, that's where I'd start.  I know me, so I'd test it thoroughly
before I relied on it.  :-)

Best,
T


John Bartow wrote:
> Hi all,
> I recall that some of you use the windows command line quite a bit yet.
>
> Can someone tell me what the command line would be to move all folders 
> and files contained in a specific folder to another drive?
>
> It's Something I want to do it a batch files and schedule for 
> archiving purposes.
>
> TIA John B.
>
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
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>
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From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Thu Apr 28 11:51:23 2011
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 12:51:23 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Not Sure Quite What I'm Dealing With Here
In-Reply-To: <JIECLJNJOMBJFEDLONCBMEOBIAAA.hkotsch@arcor.de>
References: <JIECLJNJOMBJFEDLONCBMEOBIAAA.hkotsch@arcor.de>
Message-ID: <4DB99B0B.4050302@torchlake.com>

Hi Helmut,
Yes, System Restore was one of the first things I tried.  But, nobody 
could tell me how long the issues had been appearing.  I made a couple 
of efforts, going back back a couple of months, but had no success.  
What I didn't do was keep going backward in time until either finding a 
restore point that fixed things or reaching the end of available restore 
points.
Have you seen symptoms like these?
T

Helmut Kotsch wrote:
> Did you try a sytem restore?
>
> Helmut
>
> -----Ursprungliche Nachricht-----
> Von: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]Im Auftrag von Tina Norris
> Fields
> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 28. April 2011 17:45
> An: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Betreff: [dba-Tech] Not Sure Quite What I'm Dealing With Here
>
>
> Okay, I've got a situation with a computer that is giving me fits.
>
> Symptoms: 
> 1)  Windows update won't - clicking the update link generates an 
> hourglass, then, nothing.
> 2)  Windows installer won't - trying to install anything generates the 
> message that the installer cannot be accessed.
> 3)  Windows installer apparently tries to start when any icon on the 
> desktop is right-clicked.
> 4)  At startup, a message appears saying that Vipre reports it is not 
> running.
> 5)  Computer lost its wireless connection to the printer.
> Symptoms 1 and 5 might suggest loss of all connectivity - not so!  
> Internet access still available.  Network access to shared folders on 
> other computers is still available.
>
> Other issues have been discovered as we go along, but these are the 
> immediately visible symptoms.
>
> Before I go into the things I have tried, and what has worked for how 
> long, and what hasn't worked at all, I thought I'd ask you guys if this 
> constellation of symptoms rings any bells.  Do you recognize these 
> difficulties?  Do you have any helpful suggestions?
>
> This is the family computer for my kids Cheryl and Brad, and their 
> kids.  Lots of email, IM-ing, games, etc.  About three months ago, it 
> crashed - I suspected HD failure.  I got it revived with Spin-Rite 
> (John, your advice that I should purchase that program was spot on and 
> has served me well ever since!!!). 
>
> I have lots more to tell about this adventure - 5 pages of handwritten 
> notes, so far.  Thanks for your assistance.
>
> T
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From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Thu Apr 28 11:57:23 2011
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 12:57:23 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Not Sure Quite What I'm Dealing With Here
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTimuYQUESBBnwQ4+CxAXp=MAA71q2Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4DB98B96.6050208@torchlake.com>
	<BANLkTimuYQUESBBnwQ4+CxAXp=MAA71q2Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4DB99C73.50906@torchlake.com>

Hi Gary,
No, it does not.  In fact the "installer" message said that one cause 
could be from trying to use it while in safe mode.  I just checked 
again, and now that message makes reference only to the possibility of 
incorrect installation.  I don't know if I've made progress or not - the 
earlier message included the safe mode reference.  The bottom line is 
the same.  No installation of anything.
T

Gary Kjos wrote:
> If you start in safe mode does it allow some of those things?
>
> GK
>
> On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 10:45 AM, Tina Norris Fields
> <tinanfields at torchlake.com> wrote:
>   
>> Okay, I've got a situation with a computer that is giving me fits.
>>
>> Symptoms: 1)  Windows update won't - clicking the update link generates an
>> hourglass, then, nothing.
>> 2)  Windows installer won't - trying to install anything generates the
>> message that the installer cannot be accessed.
>> 3)  Windows installer apparently tries to start when any icon on the desktop
>> is right-clicked.
>> 4)  At startup, a message appears saying that Vipre reports it is not
>> running.
>> 5)  Computer lost its wireless connection to the printer.
>> Symptoms 1 and 5 might suggest loss of all connectivity - not so!  Internet
>> access still available.  Network access to shared folders on other computers
>> is still available.
>>
>> Other issues have been discovered as we go along, but these are the
>> immediately visible symptoms.
>>
>> Before I go into the things I have tried, and what has worked for how long,
>> and what hasn't worked at all, I thought I'd ask you guys if this
>> constellation of symptoms rings any bells.  Do you recognize these
>> difficulties?  Do you have any helpful suggestions?
>>
>> This is the family computer for my kids Cheryl and Brad, and their kids.
>>  Lots of email, IM-ing, games, etc.  About three months ago, it crashed - I
>> suspected HD failure.  I got it revived with Spin-Rite (John, your advice
>> that I should purchase that program was spot on and has served me well ever
>> since!!!).
>> I have lots more to tell about this adventure - 5 pages of handwritten
>> notes, so far.  Thanks for your assistance.
>>
>> T
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>
>
>
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From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Thu Apr 28 12:02:06 2011
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 13:02:06 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Not Sure Quite What I'm Dealing With Here
In-Reply-To: <006601cc05c2$ea8c2870$bfa47950$@winhaven.net>
References: <4DB98B96.6050208@torchlake.com>
	<006601cc05c2$ea8c2870$bfa47950$@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <4DB99D8E.2060405@torchlake.com>

Hi John,

Part of the problem became evident when I saw the message that Vipre 
reported it wasn't running.  I checked all the settings, but could not 
get it to run.  I tried reinstalling, but had to uninstall in order to 
install.  And, since the installer will not work, I can't reinstall Vipre. 

Okay, both you and Helmut have strongly suggested system restore.  I'll 
go back farther until I either run out of available restores or I find a 
point that works.  Thanks.

T

John Bartow wrote:
> I'd suggest that maybe a windows update went bad. Try system restore.
>
> Turn windows update to "prompt only". When you decide to apply Windows
> Updates close all programs and turn off any active type security scanners.
> Reboot when finished. If things go haywire then do a system restore and
> selectively apply each update until you figure out which is the culprit.
>
> Could be an infection too. If the above accomplishes nothing then make sure
> your security programs are up to date and then boot into safe mode and run
> full scans.
>
> HTH!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris
> Fields
> Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 10:45 AM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: [dba-Tech] Not Sure Quite What I'm Dealing With Here
>
> Okay, I've got a situation with a computer that is giving me fits.
>
> Symptoms: 
> 1)  Windows update won't - clicking the update link generates an hourglass,
> then, nothing.
> 2)  Windows installer won't - trying to install anything generates the
> message that the installer cannot be accessed.
> 3)  Windows installer apparently tries to start when any icon on the desktop
> is right-clicked.
> 4)  At startup, a message appears saying that Vipre reports it is not
> running.
> 5)  Computer lost its wireless connection to the printer.
> Symptoms 1 and 5 might suggest loss of all connectivity - not so!  
> Internet access still available.  Network access to shared folders on other
> computers is still available.
>
> Other issues have been discovered as we go along, but these are the
> immediately visible symptoms.
>
> Before I go into the things I have tried, and what has worked for how long,
> and what hasn't worked at all, I thought I'd ask you guys if this
> constellation of symptoms rings any bells.  Do you recognize these
> difficulties?  Do you have any helpful suggestions?
>
> This is the family computer for my kids Cheryl and Brad, and their kids.
> Lots of email, IM-ing, games, etc.  About three months ago, it crashed - I
> suspected HD failure.  I got it revived with Spin-Rite (John, your advice
> that I should purchase that program was spot on and has served me well ever
> since!!!). 
>
> I have lots more to tell about this adventure - 5 pages of handwritten
> notes, so far.  Thanks for your assistance.
>
> T
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From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Thu Apr 28 12:03:15 2011
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 13:03:15 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Command line: move
In-Reply-To: <006701cc05c4$31c206f0$954614d0$@winhaven.net>
References: <00de01cbf87f$b1739c30$145ad490$@winhaven.net><4DB99530.7010401@torchlake.com>
	<006701cc05c4$31c206f0$954614d0$@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <4DB99DD3.9070601@torchlake.com>

I shall.  I came very late to the thread, not realizing it.  Glad about 
RoboCopy - I will check that out.
T

John Bartow wrote:
> Hi Tina,
> Thanks. I put together a nice system using RoboCopy, which is an awesome
> command that I completely missed when it was released! Check it out when you
> have some time.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris
> Fields
> Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 11:26 AM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Command line: move
>
> John,
>
> I believe I would use the COPY command, or maybe more likely, the XCOPY
> command,  to copy my source files to their destination COPY source
> destination [/v] or XCOPY source destination [/A][/D][/E][/P][/S][/V][/W]
>
> Options:
> /A           Copy only those files with the archive attribute turned on; 
> the state of the archive bit is not changed
> /D:date    Copy only those files whose date is equal to or later than 
> the specified date
> /E            Create all subdirectories, even if empty
> /M           Copy only those files with the archive attribute turned on: 
> the state of the archive bit is turned off
> /P            Prompt before copying each file
> /S            Copy files in subdirectories
> /V            Verify each write operation
> /W           Wait until disk is inserted 
>
> Then, I would use the DEL command to delete them from their original
> location DEL file-name
>
> To make things work smoothly, I'd probably want all the source files in one
> directory, or tree, so I could write something like this:
> XCOPY C:\SOURCE\*.*   C:\DESTINATION\  /E /S /V
> Followed by:
> DEL C:\SOURCE\*.*
>
> At least, that's where I'd start.  I know me, so I'd test it thoroughly
> before I relied on it.  :-)
>
> Best,
> T
>
>
> John Bartow wrote:
>   
>> Hi all,
>> I recall that some of you use the windows command line quite a bit yet.
>>
>> Can someone tell me what the command line would be to move all folders 
>> and files contained in a specific folder to another drive?
>>
>> It's Something I want to do it a batch files and schedule for 
>> archiving purposes.
>>
>> TIA John B.
>>
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From john at winhaven.net  Thu Apr 28 12:09:58 2011
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 12:09:58 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Not Sure Quite What I'm Dealing With Here
In-Reply-To: <4DB99B0B.4050302@torchlake.com>
References: <JIECLJNJOMBJFEDLONCBMEOBIAAA.hkotsch@arcor.de>
	<4DB99B0B.4050302@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <006f01cc05c7$1a73f6e0$4f5be4a0$@winhaven.net>

Ah! Yes, if you don't know when the symptoms started you should just go all
the way back to the oldest system restore that you can find and see if it
solves the issue. You can always undo a system restore an then step through
them later. 

If that doesn't work then it may have been an infection that was cleaned off
by some scanner that didn't remediate the problems it caused. First, I'd
suggest running a full scan with MalwareBytes and Vipre. (If Vipre was
installed on this computer I'd suggest you call Sunbelt free support and let
them help you through it.) Second, given that you have so little information
about the problem and when it occurred you may just want to perform a
Windows Repair install. It will retain all of the programs and user files
and settings but repair Windows System Files which are obviously damaged.
Boot from the Windows CD, proceed all the way until it allows you to choose
what type of installation you wish to do (not the first screen that allows
you to hit "R" for repair-its further on than that). It will replace the
Windows System Files that have been changed and repair the registry in
regards to Windows System functions, to its original state. You will have to
apply the latest Windows Updates when finished.

Good Luck!

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris
Fields
Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 11:51 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Not Sure Quite What I'm Dealing With Here

Hi Helmut,
Yes, System Restore was one of the first things I tried.  But, nobody could
tell me how long the issues had been appearing.  I made a couple of efforts,
going back back a couple of months, but had no success.  
What I didn't do was keep going backward in time until either finding a
restore point that fixed things or reaching the end of available restore
points.
Have you seen symptoms like these?
T

Helmut Kotsch wrote:
> Did you try a sytem restore?
>
> Helmut
>
> -----Ursprungliche Nachricht-----
> Von: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]Im Auftrag von Tina 
> Norris Fields
> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 28. April 2011 17:45
> An: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Betreff: [dba-Tech] Not Sure Quite What I'm Dealing With Here
>
>
> Okay, I've got a situation with a computer that is giving me fits.
>
> Symptoms: 
> 1)  Windows update won't - clicking the update link generates an 
> hourglass, then, nothing.
> 2)  Windows installer won't - trying to install anything generates the 
> message that the installer cannot be accessed.
> 3)  Windows installer apparently tries to start when any icon on the 
> desktop is right-clicked.
> 4)  At startup, a message appears saying that Vipre reports it is not 
> running.
> 5)  Computer lost its wireless connection to the printer.
> Symptoms 1 and 5 might suggest loss of all connectivity - not so!  
> Internet access still available.  Network access to shared folders on 
> other computers is still available.
>
> Other issues have been discovered as we go along, but these are the 
> immediately visible symptoms.
>
> Before I go into the things I have tried, and what has worked for how 
> long, and what hasn't worked at all, I thought I'd ask you guys if 
> this constellation of symptoms rings any bells.  Do you recognize 
> these difficulties?  Do you have any helpful suggestions?
>
> This is the family computer for my kids Cheryl and Brad, and their 
> kids.  Lots of email, IM-ing, games, etc.  About three months ago, it 
> crashed - I suspected HD failure.  I got it revived with Spin-Rite 
> (John, your advice that I should purchase that program was spot on and 
> has served me well ever since!!!).
>
> I have lots more to tell about this adventure - 5 pages of handwritten 
> notes, so far.  Thanks for your assistance.
>
> T
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Apr 28 13:25:26 2011
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 11:25:26 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Not Sure Quite What I'm Dealing With Here
In-Reply-To: <4DB98B96.6050208@torchlake.com>
References: <4DB98B96.6050208@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <8B5D681B01D24D038C843ED203F68EB4@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Check the taskmanager <alt-ctrl-delete> and view what Processes are going
on...

(If you can not do that you have been hacked...then it is most likely a
re-image unless you are able to spend the immense amounts of time necessary
cleaning up the system yourself)

Assuming it all works fine sort by CPU (click on the CPU on the title bar)
and 'System Idle Process' should be at the top. Notice any other process
sucking up CPU cycles...what are they? 

Sometimes they may just be legitimate processes like explorer, or winword or
any other process you have in the lower left menu bar task section. Try
closing down processes that are taking cycles. After the legitimate
processes have been stopped there may be the runaway processes; like two
versions of ant-virus software competing. Then <right-mouse-click> and
End-process-tree. 

Watch for any processes that keep popping up. Check the names via the
internet and sometimes you may get insight into what the internal process
and whether it is legitimate or not. If the process is odd or not identified
removing it will test it. If it shows up in the process list a second or two
later after being deleted it may be worthy of watching especially if it is
not a standard windows process (checked via the internet). After a number of
years I can pretty well spot any process that should not be there. Another
process(es) to watch is the svchost.exe process which is used by a number of
other processes to handle system/network/internet connections...there can be
dozens running on servers by there should be no more than half a dozen on a
PC; too many signifies trouble. 

If you manage to get enough steady CPU processes running shown as
System-Idle-process some of the processes that are not working may spring
into life...that's of course if they are not being blocked.
 
It may take a while but usually you can narrow it down to a specific
legitimate or illegitimate process (file(s)) and then either de-install or
research the bad files and apply the appropriate de-activation method.
(...that could take pages of description...)

...Of course it could be a hardware issue.

HTH at least a bit. :-)
Jim


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris
Fields
Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 8:45 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] Not Sure Quite What I'm Dealing With Here

Okay, I've got a situation with a computer that is giving me fits.

Symptoms: 
1)  Windows update won't - clicking the update link generates an 
hourglass, then, nothing.
2)  Windows installer won't - trying to install anything generates the 
message that the installer cannot be accessed.
3)  Windows installer apparently tries to start when any icon on the 
desktop is right-clicked.
4)  At startup, a message appears saying that Vipre reports it is not 
running.
5)  Computer lost its wireless connection to the printer.
Symptoms 1 and 5 might suggest loss of all connectivity - not so!  
Internet access still available.  Network access to shared folders on 
other computers is still available.

Other issues have been discovered as we go along, but these are the 
immediately visible symptoms.

Before I go into the things I have tried, and what has worked for how 
long, and what hasn't worked at all, I thought I'd ask you guys if this 
constellation of symptoms rings any bells.  Do you recognize these 
difficulties?  Do you have any helpful suggestions?

This is the family computer for my kids Cheryl and Brad, and their 
kids.  Lots of email, IM-ing, games, etc.  About three months ago, it 
crashed - I suspected HD failure.  I got it revived with Spin-Rite 
(John, your advice that I should purchase that program was spot on and 
has served me well ever since!!!). 

I have lots more to tell about this adventure - 5 pages of handwritten 
notes, so far.  Thanks for your assistance.

T
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From john at winhaven.net  Thu Apr 28 13:27:15 2011
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 13:27:15 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Not Sure Quite What I'm Dealing With Here
In-Reply-To: <4DB99D8E.2060405@torchlake.com>
References: <4DB98B96.6050208@torchlake.com>	<006601cc05c2$ea8c2870$bfa47950$@winhaven.net>
	<4DB99D8E.2060405@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <008a01cc05d1$e77c0470$b6740d50$@winhaven.net>

If Vipre can't run it would be because the system can't run services - major
problem. And of course since it depends on Windows installer service that
won't work. I could tell you how to run windows installer service in safe
mode but if the services won't run that won't matter.

This appears to a pretty bad system corruption. I think a Windows repair
will be needed, it'll be a long shot but I hope System Restore works for
you.

Best of luck with it!

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris
Fields
Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 12:02 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Not Sure Quite What I'm Dealing With Here

Hi John,

Part of the problem became evident when I saw the message that Vipre
reported it wasn't running.  I checked all the settings, but could not get
it to run.  I tried reinstalling, but had to uninstall in order to install.
And, since the installer will not work, I can't reinstall Vipre. 

Okay, both you and Helmut have strongly suggested system restore.  I'll go
back farther until I either run out of available restores or I find a point
that works.  Thanks.

T

John Bartow wrote:
> I'd suggest that maybe a windows update went bad. Try system restore.
>
> Turn windows update to "prompt only". When you decide to apply Windows
> Updates close all programs and turn off any active type security scanners.
> Reboot when finished. If things go haywire then do a system restore and
> selectively apply each update until you figure out which is the culprit.
>
> Could be an infection too. If the above accomplishes nothing then make
sure
> your security programs are up to date and then boot into safe mode and run
> full scans.
>
> HTH!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris
> Fields
> Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 10:45 AM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: [dba-Tech] Not Sure Quite What I'm Dealing With Here
>
> Okay, I've got a situation with a computer that is giving me fits.
>
> Symptoms: 
> 1)  Windows update won't - clicking the update link generates an
hourglass,
> then, nothing.
> 2)  Windows installer won't - trying to install anything generates the
> message that the installer cannot be accessed.
> 3)  Windows installer apparently tries to start when any icon on the
desktop
> is right-clicked.
> 4)  At startup, a message appears saying that Vipre reports it is not
> running.
> 5)  Computer lost its wireless connection to the printer.
> Symptoms 1 and 5 might suggest loss of all connectivity - not so!  
> Internet access still available.  Network access to shared folders on
other
> computers is still available.
>
> Other issues have been discovered as we go along, but these are the
> immediately visible symptoms.
>
> Before I go into the things I have tried, and what has worked for how
long,
> and what hasn't worked at all, I thought I'd ask you guys if this
> constellation of symptoms rings any bells.  Do you recognize these
> difficulties?  Do you have any helpful suggestions?
>
> This is the family computer for my kids Cheryl and Brad, and their kids.
> Lots of email, IM-ing, games, etc.  About three months ago, it crashed - I
> suspected HD failure.  I got it revived with Spin-Rite (John, your advice
> that I should purchase that program was spot on and has served me well
ever
> since!!!). 
>
> I have lots more to tell about this adventure - 5 pages of handwritten
> notes, so far.  Thanks for your assistance.
>
> T
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu Apr 28 16:12:33 2011
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 07:12:33 +1000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Not Sure Quite What I'm Dealing With Here
In-Reply-To: <8B5D681B01D24D038C843ED203F68EB4@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <4DB98B96.6050208@torchlake.com>,
	<8B5D681B01D24D038C843ED203F68EB4@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <4DB9D841.16743.44B8B54@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Better to grab a copy of ProcessExplorer and use that.  I've seen systems with TaskMgr 
hijacked that I could still get into with ProcExp.   

It tells you al lot more about what is going on.

It also lets you suspend a bunch of processes and then close then down one at a time.  It's 
the only way to beat those nasties that run several instances under different names, all of 
which watch for each other and restart  any that are shut down.

-- 
Stuart

On 28 Apr 2011 at 11:25, Jim Lawrence wrote:

> Check the taskmanager <alt-ctrl-delete> and view what Processes are
> going on...
> 




From john at winhaven.net  Thu Apr 28 18:15:19 2011
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 18:15:19 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Not Sure Quite What I'm Dealing With Here
In-Reply-To: <4DB9D841.16743.44B8B54@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <4DB98B96.6050208@torchlake.com>,
	<8B5D681B01D24D038C843ED203F68EB4@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<4DB9D841.16743.44B8B54@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <00cf01cc05fa$242773f0$6c765bd0$@winhaven.net>

Ditto on that

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 4:13 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Not Sure Quite What I'm Dealing With Here

Better to grab a copy of ProcessExplorer and use that.  I've seen systems
with TaskMgr 
hijacked that I could still get into with ProcExp.   

It tells you al lot more about what is going on.

It also lets you suspend a bunch of processes and then close then down one
at a time.  It's the only way to beat those nasties that run several
instances under different names, all of which watch for each other and
restart  any that are shut down.

--
Stuart

On 28 Apr 2011 at 11:25, Jim Lawrence wrote:

> Check the taskmanager <alt-ctrl-delete> and view what Processes are 
> going on...
> 


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From erbachs at gmail.com  Fri Apr 29 11:23:13 2011
From: erbachs at gmail.com (Steve Erbach)
Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 11:23:13 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] RAID 5 repair
In-Reply-To: <809DA7012B2642BC8A8B261EC65022D1@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <BANLkTikf69uZmZL-Fe8TQtMhbUHYH9nnqA@mail.gmail.com>
	<BC529468811141FB8A4BB69B35D7D3B0@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<BANLkTi=X2a-pnV8sqfN5ucvQQrxQbo+xEA@mail.gmail.com>
	<809DA7012B2642BC8A8B261EC65022D1@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <BANLkTi=bZ+6NMBDw6gVupFOMr3e6-dG9Ww@mail.gmail.com>

Jim,

Thank you for the warning.  I've had this customer for about two
decades.  I don't leave him hanging.

Steve Erbach
Neenah, WI

On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 9:53 AM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
> That all sounds like nickle and dime stuff. Be aware that even if you are
> doing a near freeby you are legally on the hook for anything that goes
> wrong.
>
> Jim
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Erbach
> Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 6:35 AM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] RAID 5 repair
>
> Jim,
>
>>> Once you are ready to start just inform the owner of the requirements and
> the estimated costs and ask for the keys. He will either say just go ahead
> or say no. <<
>
> Heh! ?I've been working with this guy since '91 or '92. ?That's why I
> facetiously asked in my first message about slapping some sense into
> his head. ?He waits on EVERYTHING. ?In all the time I've known him he
> has NEVER considered buying even semi-adequate backup for his servers.
> ?His "backup" consists of a weekly XCOPY of the contents of his
> network data drive to one of the workstations on the network. ?That's
> it.
>
> So getting him to spend $30 or $40 to replace a RAID drive? ?Hardly
> seems worth it, don't you think? ?My God! ?I had to virtually beg him
> to spend $21 on PC Tools Registry Mechanic (which I swear by) to help
> fix some registry issues on an infected workstation...and he only did
> it because I promised to reimburse him if it didn't fix the issue. (It
> didn't, by the way, so I reimbursed him. ?Had to find something
> on-line, a REG file that re-established the EXE file association on an
> XP PC that had been attacked.)
>
> Anyway, I feel like buying the drives myself and hiding the charge in
> my next invoice just so he doesn't have to take the effort to buy the
> drives himself. I suggested that he purchase four right away and then
> swap them into the array one by one over successive weekends. ?He
> knows all this...but he still dithers about spending maybe $120 for
> four drives. ?Gad!
>
> Thank you, Jim.
>
> Steve Erbach



From erbachs at gmail.com  Fri Apr 29 11:31:00 2011
From: erbachs at gmail.com (Steve Erbach)
Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 11:31:00 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] RAID 5 repair
In-Reply-To: <A750CC0AAE63CB489C58478FF67DE63215F595CB0C@chvex03.lonzagroup.net>
References: <BANLkTikf69uZmZL-Fe8TQtMhbUHYH9nnqA@mail.gmail.com>
	<BC529468811141FB8A4BB69B35D7D3B0@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<BANLkTi=X2a-pnV8sqfN5ucvQQrxQbo+xEA@mail.gmail.com>
	<A750CC0AAE63CB489C58478FF67DE63215F595CB0C@chvex03.lonzagroup.net>
Message-ID: <BANLkTi=kn5tXfjDRjZdTvOVK2u2Vo39dmQ@mail.gmail.com>

Jon,

My customer hired a guy off of CraigsList for $18 an hour who knew a
fair amount about Windows Server.  This cat's mother is in IT at
Kimberly-Clark and has lots of connections which sonny-boy took
advantage of. Anyway, my client hired him because this kid was cheap.

I mentioned to Jim what the customer's backup situation was...XCOPY
the network data drive to one of the workstations every week (used to
be every night).  This kid was kind of cocky and figured that he
didn't really need my help, though he knows nothing about the
DOS-based software (yes, DOS-based) that my client insists on using.

One day the network crashed and the drives had to be reformatted.
This network whiz kid found some sort of backup from three or four
MONTHS previous and, without calling me, restored it.  This of course
lost all data entered during that time. He didn't check with me as to
the meager backup situation that WAS in place.  The old backup he used
was from when he installed the Windows network those three or four
months before.

Well, that night the regular XCOPY backup ran and, guess what?  The
ONLY recent backup they had was overwritten because he didn't call me
first.  So they wound up typing in oodles of PO's and invoices and
such.  Gad!

The point of this story is that my customer has a very lax attitude
about backups.  That experience didn't convince him that his backup
routine should be improved.  I don't know what to do...but he still
pays me.  He seems to just hate buying anything new.

Regards,

Steve Erbach
Neenah, WI


On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 9:04 AM, Tydda Jon - Slough <jon.tydda at lonza.com> wrote:
> Take one of the other drives out too, and tell him he's lost all his data, but that you can get it all back for a $200 outlay? :-)
>
>
> Jon
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Erbach
> Sent: 28 April 2011 14:35
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] RAID 5 repair
>
> Jim,
>
>>> Once you are ready to start just inform the owner of the requirements
>>> and
> the estimated costs and ask for the keys. He will either say just go ahead or say no. <<
>
> Heh! ?I've been working with this guy since '91 or '92. ?That's why I facetiously asked in my first message about slapping some sense into his head. ?He waits on EVERYTHING. ?In all the time I've known him he has NEVER considered buying even semi-adequate backup for his servers.
> ?His "backup" consists of a weekly XCOPY of the contents of his network data drive to one of the workstations on the network. ?That's it.
>
> So getting him to spend $30 or $40 to replace a RAID drive? ?Hardly seems worth it, don't you think? ?My God! ?I had to virtually beg him to spend $21 on PC Tools Registry Mechanic (which I swear by) to help fix some registry issues on an infected workstation...and he only did it because I promised to reimburse him if it didn't fix the issue. (It didn't, by the way, so I reimbursed him. ?Had to find something on-line, a REG file that re-established the EXE file association on an XP PC that had been attacked.)
>
> Anyway, I feel like buying the drives myself and hiding the charge in my next invoice just so he doesn't have to take the effort to buy the drives himself. I suggested that he purchase four right away and then swap them into the array one by one over successive weekends. ?He knows all this...but he still dithers about spending maybe $120 for four drives. ?Gad!
>
> Thank you, Jim.
>
> Steve Erbach



From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Apr 29 11:55:55 2011
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 09:55:55 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] I am an OpenVPN convert
In-Reply-To: <4DB98B96.6050208@torchlake.com>
References: <4DB98B96.6050208@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <347280D4C30C43518A56CA1C4BC53000@creativesystemdesigns.com>

OpenVPN is a wonderful product. It is like Hamchi in a way but it is sort of
like comparing a DLink router and Cisco router. The DLink has lots of
features in it but it is not fully programmable. 

OpenVPN does not provide an interface like LogMeIn that is up to the
individual stations but it does provide complete encapsulation of all
members within the network regardless of where in the world they are. I.E.
You could take a laptop to Mexico and as soon as you have established an
internet connection you are back in the network just like you were in the
office.

Unlike, say the Hamachi server, where you contact it and it passes your
access on to a single point of destination and uses specific range IP
addresses to slide under a remote stations firewall, OpenVPN can just use a
network's standard open addresses like 8080 or 80. You also need to have a
server of your own, (as well as access to the main OpenVPN server),
controlling and managing all the clients in the extended network. It does
not have to be any big server, just an old beater box that can run command
prompt Linux will do just fine. Each station and server, when they are
online, sends a token, indicating a station's identity and current IP
address, to the main OpenVPN server. The main OpenVPN servers do nothing
else but hold the location tokens and release that information when called
by your OpenVPN server. If the location of your VPN Server changes, it just
communicates its new location with the main OpenVPN server and things just
carry on. It does nothing more.that is unlike the Hamachi server.

Once any station within your wide access VPN network is established and
connected a knowledgeable OpenVPN tech can finely control access of any
station to any station.like that Cisco router.through-put, access times,
available printers etc. OpenVPN also has the ability to pass access back and
forth between remote stations so you could be communicating with a buddy in
Europe while you are relaxing in Central America and your office OpenVPN
server is running in Victoria.

After the network is setup and your stations attached, regardless where in
the world you are, it is just like being back in office. Any access you had
in the office you will have exactly the same even in Timbuktu. The
difference of course is that all access is within this extended  256/4096
bit encryption pipe.. Complete security. There are far more features
available, with OpenVPN, than just the ones I mentioned but you would have
to go to the following link for that information: http://openvpn.net/ 

Next question, you may ask is, "Do I know how to setup up such a system and
network?". Well no...not yet anyway. My system was setup via the brilliance
of my son-in-law but he took no more than an hour to setup an OpenVPN server
on the office Linux server and added a couple of remote laptop stations but
he said he just used most of the defaults.

Jim



From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Sat Apr 30 08:11:50 2011
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 09:11:50 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Not Sure Quite What I'm Dealing With Here - Update 1
In-Reply-To: <00cf01cc05fa$242773f0$6c765bd0$@winhaven.net>
References: <4DB98B96.6050208@torchlake.com>,
	<8B5D681B01D24D038C843ED203F68EB4@creativesystemdesigns.com><4DB9D841.16743.44B8B54@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<00cf01cc05fa$242773f0$6c765bd0$@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <4DBC0A96.6090506@torchlake.com>

I thought I would give you an update on what I have done, what has 
worked and what has not - and where I am now.  It will take more than 
one message, so as not to be too big.

When I first started in on this computer, my purpose was to re-establish 
its wireless connection to the printer.  That was what my grandkids were 
complaining about.
At startup, these messages consistently appeared:
1) SetPoint.exe - unable to locate component, failed to start because 
kemudb.dll was not found.
2) Vipre - reports the service is not running.
3) Windows Live Messenger - service temporarily unavailable - error 8007005

The SetPoint issue is probably because we swapped out the Logitech 
wireless keyboard that had multiple keys no longer functioning properly, 
so we plugged in a standard wired keyboard.  I simply unchecked the 
startup entry for that one.  It didn't interfere at all with the 
functioning of the wireless mouse.  After everything else is solved, 
I'll go back and find out what kemudb.dll really is.

The WirelessZeroConfig service was not running, so I started it., 
thinking that would help with both the Windows Live Messenger and the 
issue with reaching the printer. It did not.  I unchecked the Windows 
Live Messenger call from the startup list.

I attempted to launch Vipre and got the same message as at startup, that 
Vipre reported it was not running. 

At about this point I discovered that right-clicking any icon produced 
the Windows Installer "Preparing to Install" message box flashing on and 
off about three times before displaying the context menu.

I thought I would simply reinstall Vipre and do a good deep scan.  
Starting that process brought the message that Vipre was already 
installed and I would have to uninstall before reinstalling.  Using 
either the "Add or Remove" feature from Windows Control Panel, or the 
"Uninstall Vipre" feature produced the message that the Windows 
Installer could not be accessed, and that might be caused by trying to 
use it in safe mode, or by its being incorrectly installed. 

Microsoft's KB instructed me to launch a command window and unregister 
the installer and reregister it:
msiexec.exe /unregister
msiexec.exe /regserver
Then, it instructed me to edit the registry HKEY_CLASSES.ROOT - Edit > 
Permissions - if SYSTEM isn't in Group or User name to Add, and to check 
that the "From this location" box showed the local computer name.  All 
of that was already correct.

This did not solve the Windows Installer problem.  I was thinking that 
possibly a Windows update was corrupted and maybe just updating would 
fix it.  That's when I discovered that clicking the update link simply 
produced an hourglass, then, nothing.

At this point, I thought that perhaps a system restore would help.  I 
asked my grandkids when the symptoms had appeared.  They weren't sure, 
so I went back at least two months - did not make a note of the date.  I 
was then able to reach Windows update and did the updates that were waiting.

I went off to get MalwareBytes, downloaded it, and was able to install 
it.  I ran that at its deep level - found 54 infected items: 18 registry 
keys, 2 registry data items, 8 infected folders, and 26 infected files.  
The specific infections were: a) Adware.MySearchWeb, b) Adware.FunWeb, 
c) PUP.FunWebProducts, d) Trojan.Vundo, and e) 
PUM.Disabled.SecurityCenter.  After a couple of complete scans and 
cleanups, MalwareBytes reported no more infections.  However, in another 
forum (techspot.com), I ran across the likelihood that Vundo had not 
been completely defeated.  I downloaded VundoFix.exe and ran it - the 
resultant report showed no Vundo files.  At this point, I believe I am 
making progress.  [Continued in next message]


John Bartow wrote:
> Ditto on that
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
> Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 4:13 PM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Not Sure Quite What I'm Dealing With Here
>
> Better to grab a copy of ProcessExplorer and use that.  I've seen systems
> with TaskMgr 
> hijacked that I could still get into with ProcExp.   
>
> It tells you al lot more about what is going on.
>
> It also lets you suspend a bunch of processes and then close then down one
> at a time.  It's the only way to beat those nasties that run several
> instances under different names, all of which watch for each other and
> restart  any that are shut down.
>
> --
> Stuart
>   
>


From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Sat Apr 30 08:55:39 2011
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 09:55:39 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Not Sure Quite What I'm Dealing With Here - Update 2
In-Reply-To: <00cf01cc05fa$242773f0$6c765bd0$@winhaven.net>
References: <4DB98B96.6050208@torchlake.com>,
	<8B5D681B01D24D038C843ED203F68EB4@creativesystemdesigns.com><4DB9D841.16743.44B8B54@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<00cf01cc05fa$242773f0$6c765bd0$@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <4DBC14DB.3040907@torchlake.com>

[Continued from Update 1]

Having cleaned out the 54 infected items with MalwareBytes, I went back 
to trying to install Vipre.  Guess what!  Right back to "the Windows 
installer cannot be accessed."

I gave another go to the unregistering and reregistering trick.  No 
joy.  Tried another update - back to the houglass followed by nothing!

Found some more information on repairing the windows update agent - 
downloaded WindowsUpdateAgent30-x86.exe from 
support.microsot.com/KG/946929, and following instructions, placed it in 
the root, then ran it with the /wuforce switch.  This did not fix the 
problem.  Yes, I rebooted - it did not fix the problem.

Another bit of advice was to use the WinXP CD, and from the command line 
run sfc /scannow - to verify whether all the protected Windows files are 
intact and in their original versions.  Reboot.  Attempt to install 
Vipre - "installer cannot be accessed."

Next, I booted from the WinXP CD and ran the Repair Install.  After 
that, I tried again to go to Windows Update to bring this fresh 
installation of WinXP SP2 up to date, especially to get SP3 installed.  
Failed - hourglass, followed by nothing.  I ran 
WindowsUpdateAgent30-x86.exe /wuforce again - it failed with error 
0x80070020.  However, not I was able to reach the update site, with 
error 0x8.DDD0007 message that I must restart the computer before 
getting any more updates - turn off and install 5 updates.

Next, I did a Windows update search for ServicePack 3 - found and 
downloaded the ISO image file 
xpsp3_5512.080413-2113_usa_x86fre_spcd.iso, with which I created my SP3 
update CD.  I ran the SP3 update.  It did not complete - update.exe 
extended error code = 0xf200.  Received instruction to run dcomcnfg, 
attempting to verify DCOM security - expand Component Services > 
Computers.  When I attempted to expand the Computers folder, the whole 
Component Services window disappeared.  I repeated that effort enough 
times to note that it happened consistently.  I opened Admin Tools in 
the Control Panel, Computer Management - there is no entry for Local 
Users & Groups.

I tried the SP3 update CD again.  This time it said it did the job.

But, Windows Installer is still not accessed, so I still cannot 
re-install Vipre.  Clicking Windows Update link still produces an 
hourglass and nothing more.

Tried the hotfix for WindowsXP-KB942288-V3-x86.exe again, after making 
sure it was unblocked.  Reboot.  Try to install Vipre.  Installer cannot 
be accessed.
Tried the hotfix for WindowsUpdateAgent30-x86.exe /wuforce, after making 
sure it was unblocked.  Install failed with error 0x8007041d.

Going directly to the windows update site, rather than trying to connect 
through the link, I get through the "checking your system for the latest 
software" screen, to the "Express" or "Custom" install screen - where no 
matter which choice I select, I get the message to reset my Internet 
Security options - error 0x800A0046.  I check those settings and they 
are correct - they match exactly what I am instructed to set.  Even if I 
unset them and Apply - and reset them and Apply - with or without IE 
restarts - I get the same message from Windows Update.  The update 
window acknowledges that the computer is set for automatic updates - 
yet, it will not allow me to do any updates.

I've decided to go back to the beginning.  I'm running Spin-Rite on the 
computer right now, at level 4.  Once I get that finished, I'll do 
another Repair Install, followed immediately by an SP3 update, and see 
what I have at that point.  I'll keep you advised.  I'll welcome and 
appreciate any more thoughts you guys have on this. 

Thanks,
T

John Bartow wrote:
> Ditto on that
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
> Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 4:13 PM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Not Sure Quite What I'm Dealing With Here
>
> Better to grab a copy of ProcessExplorer and use that.  I've seen systems
> with TaskMgr 
> hijacked that I could still get into with ProcExp.   
>
> It tells you al lot more about what is going on.
>
> It also lets you suspend a bunch of processes and then close then down one
> at a time.  It's the only way to beat those nasties that run several
> instances under different names, all of which watch for each other and
> restart  any that are shut down.
>
> --
> Stuart
>
>   


From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Sat Apr 30 09:15:21 2011
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 10:15:21 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] The Commodore is not dead
In-Reply-To: <9A5D331BE9E741D8B2CC3A1263D89069@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <A0123C12CCAD489AB5A0BC97D2572112@salvationomc4p><000601cb9cc0$edb7ca10$c9275e30$@winhaven.net><09B4860970F14CB787149
	1B648C732D0@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<9A5D331BE9E741D8B2CC3A1263D89069@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <4DBC1979.30806@torchlake.com>

Dang!  I discarded all my Commodore stuff way too soon, I see.  Rats!
T

Jim Lawrence wrote:
> For all your old guys with a nostalgia bent here is a new Commodore (64).
>
> http://www.commodoreusa.net/CUSA_C64.aspx
>
> Jim
>
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sat Apr 30 10:41:51 2011
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 08:41:51 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] The Commodore is not dead
In-Reply-To: <4DBC1979.30806@torchlake.com>
References: <A0123C12CCAD489AB5A0BC97D2572112@salvationomc4p>
	<000601cb9cc0$edb7ca10$c9275e30$@winhaven.net>
	<"09B4860970F14CB787149 1B648C732D0"@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<9A5D331BE9E741D8B2CC3A1263D89069@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<4DBC1979.30806@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <4FD09EE7676D4EA6A9F6222136804B73@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Hey well no problem... just buy this new unit, download all your old C64
games as they are online and Bobs your uncle. Nostalgia bliss. ;-) 

Jim



-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris
Fields
Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2011 7:15 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] The Commodore is not dead

Dang!  I discarded all my Commodore stuff way too soon, I see.  Rats!
T

Jim Lawrence wrote:
> For all your old guys with a nostalgia bent here is a new Commodore (64).
>
> http://www.commodoreusa.net/CUSA_C64.aspx
>
> Jim
>
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From john at winhaven.net  Sat Apr 30 10:45:21 2011
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 10:45:21 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Not Sure Quite What I'm Dealing With Here - Update 2
In-Reply-To: <4DBC14DB.3040907@torchlake.com>
References: <4DB98B96.6050208@torchlake.com>,
	<8B5D681B01D24D038C843ED203F68EB4@creativesystemdesigns.com><4DB9D841.16743.44B8B54@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>	<00cf01cc05fa$242773f0$6c765bd0$@winhaven.net>
	<4DBC14DB.3040907@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <003301cc074d$9e236de0$da6a49a0$@winhaven.net>

Hi Tina,
At this point I think you should consider backing up any user files and
reinstalling Windows :o(

John B.
PS: When you can download Vipre Rescue from here:
http://live.sunbeltsoftware.com/Download/ copy it to a to a USB memory stick
and run it. It does not require the windows installer. I recommend you boot
into safe mode and run it from there. However, it won't fix all the windows
problems you are having.

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris
Fields
Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2011 8:56 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Not Sure Quite What I'm Dealing With Here - Update 2

[Continued from Update 1]

Having cleaned out the 54 infected items with MalwareBytes, I went back to
trying to install Vipre.  Guess what!  Right back to "the Windows installer
cannot be accessed."

I gave another go to the unregistering and reregistering trick.  No joy.
Tried another update - back to the houglass followed by nothing!

Found some more information on repairing the windows update agent -
downloaded WindowsUpdateAgent30-x86.exe from support.microsot.com/KG/946929,
and following instructions, placed it in the root, then ran it with the
/wuforce switch.  This did not fix the problem.  Yes, I rebooted - it did
not fix the problem.

Another bit of advice was to use the WinXP CD, and from the command line run
sfc /scannow - to verify whether all the protected Windows files are intact
and in their original versions.  Reboot.  Attempt to install Vipre -
"installer cannot be accessed."

Next, I booted from the WinXP CD and ran the Repair Install.  After that, I
tried again to go to Windows Update to bring this fresh installation of
WinXP SP2 up to date, especially to get SP3 installed.  
Failed - hourglass, followed by nothing.  I ran WindowsUpdateAgent30-x86.exe
/wuforce again - it failed with error 0x80070020.  However, not I was able
to reach the update site, with error 0x8.DDD0007 message that I must restart
the computer before getting any more updates - turn off and install 5
updates.

Next, I did a Windows update search for ServicePack 3 - found and downloaded
the ISO image file xpsp3_5512.080413-2113_usa_x86fre_spcd.iso, with which I
created my SP3 update CD.  I ran the SP3 update.  It did not complete -
update.exe extended error code = 0xf200.  Received instruction to run
dcomcnfg, attempting to verify DCOM security - expand Component Services >
Computers.  When I attempted to expand the Computers folder, the whole
Component Services window disappeared.  I repeated that effort enough times
to note that it happened consistently.  I opened Admin Tools in the Control
Panel, Computer Management - there is no entry for Local Users & Groups.

I tried the SP3 update CD again.  This time it said it did the job.

But, Windows Installer is still not accessed, so I still cannot re-install
Vipre.  Clicking Windows Update link still produces an hourglass and nothing
more.

Tried the hotfix for WindowsXP-KB942288-V3-x86.exe again, after making sure
it was unblocked.  Reboot.  Try to install Vipre.  Installer cannot be
accessed.
Tried the hotfix for WindowsUpdateAgent30-x86.exe /wuforce, after making
sure it was unblocked.  Install failed with error 0x8007041d.

Going directly to the windows update site, rather than trying to connect
through the link, I get through the "checking your system for the latest
software" screen, to the "Express" or "Custom" install screen - where no
matter which choice I select, I get the message to reset my Internet
Security options - error 0x800A0046.  I check those settings and they are
correct - they match exactly what I am instructed to set.  Even if I unset
them and Apply - and reset them and Apply - with or without IE restarts - I
get the same message from Windows Update.  The update window acknowledges
that the computer is set for automatic updates - yet, it will not allow me
to do any updates.

I've decided to go back to the beginning.  I'm running Spin-Rite on the
computer right now, at level 4.  Once I get that finished, I'll do another
Repair Install, followed immediately by an SP3 update, and see what I have
at that point.  I'll keep you advised.  I'll welcome and appreciate any more
thoughts you guys have on this. 

Thanks,
T

John Bartow wrote:
> Ditto on that
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart 
> McLachlan
> Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 4:13 PM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Not Sure Quite What I'm Dealing With Here
>
> Better to grab a copy of ProcessExplorer and use that.  I've seen 
> systems with TaskMgr
> hijacked that I could still get into with ProcExp.   
>
> It tells you al lot more about what is going on.
>
> It also lets you suspend a bunch of processes and then close then down 
> one at a time.  It's the only way to beat those nasties that run 
> several instances under different names, all of which watch for each 
> other and restart  any that are shut down.
>
> --
> Stuart
>
>   
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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Sat Apr 30 10:48:18 2011
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 11:48:18 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Not Sure Quite What I'm Dealing With Here - Update 2
References: <4DB98B96.6050208@torchlake.com>,
	<8B5D681B01D24D038C843ED203F68EB4@creativesystemdesigns.com><4DB9D841.16743.44B8B54@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>	<00cf01cc05fa$242773f0$6c765bd0$@winhaven.net><4DBC14DB.3040907@torchlake.com>
	<003301cc074d$9e236de0$da6a49a0$@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <7F33BE44CF96487DB28FEB293A1F9E26@SusanHarkins>

Tina, that sounds eerily similar to the problems I had last summer -- I 
couldn't even wipe the disc and reinstall Windows myself. Finally had to 
send it.

Susan H.


> Hi Tina,
> At this point I think you should consider backing up any user files and
> reinstalling Windows :o(
>
> John B.
> PS: When you can download Vipre Rescue from here:
> http://live.sunbeltsoftware.com/Download/ copy it to a to a USB memory 
> stick
> and run it. It does not require the windows installer. I recommend you 
> boot
> into safe mode and run it from there. However, it won't fix all the 
> windows
> problems you are having.
>
>
> Having cleaned out the 54 infected items with MalwareBytes, I went back to
> trying to install Vipre.  Guess what!  Right back to "the Windows 
> installer
> cannot be accessed."
>
> 



From accessd at shaw.ca  Sat Apr 30 11:54:31 2011
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 09:54:31 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Not Sure Quite What I'm Dealing With Here - Update 2
In-Reply-To: <4DBC14DB.3040907@torchlake.com>
References: <4DB98B96.6050208@torchlake.com>
	<8B5D681B01D24D038C843ED203F68EB4@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<4DB9D841.16743.44B8B54@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<00cf01cc05fa$242773f0$6c765bd0$@winhaven.net>
	<4DBC14DB.3040907@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <08B453AF0FE949CD91C24EB01029178E@creativesystemdesigns.com>

You do have a real problem there. As a systems support tech, I run into
similar issues all the time and at that point have to decide whether to
actually attempt to resolve the problem or re-image/re-install. (A client is
not going to pay for me to spend 4 to 6 hours fixing desktop and there is
just no way to do it fast or at least guarantee it fast.)

You have done all the appropriate surface diagnostics but those types of
processes can only go so far. If you do really want to solve the problem and
time is not that important then its time to start becoming serious and start
hacking.

The first test I would do is check to see whether the kernel has been
hacked. You can just download/run a rootkit scanner. Some of these apps
actually say they can repair the kernel but I tend to be suspicious. In most
cases if your kernel has been compromised it is time to re-install. 
http://www.techsupportalert.com/best-free-rootkit-scanner-remover.htm

The second problem is that apps can start in a dozen different places went
Windows boots so the moment you re-boot all the work you may have done is
just written over when some applications re-runs in the boot cycle and
replaces all your handy-work. Below is an excellent app for finding various
start points in a system and suggesting whether a start suspect or not. They
also have a forum dump review service that may suggest solutions. 
http://free.antivirus.com/hijackthis/

The third problem is that Windows uses a system of cascading to find some of
it components for an application. It does not necessarily do direct location
calls. This gives a hacker a chance to stick a fake component further up the
search chain. Finding and fixing this can be real grunt work. You have to
start looking for duplicate files...one may be real, a backup or a hidden
malware component. The app hackthis may supply you with a start point and
then you have to work down the cascading chain.
http://ask-leo.com/what_is_the_system_file_checker_and_how_do_i_run_it.html

There are a thousand services that will allow you to search a questionable
dll or executable and give you the location in a system where it should be
and the appropriate size. Here is one of many: http://www.file.net

Then there are some really deep bugs. Some malware can actually place itself
on a hard drive and mark its position as a bad track so it can never be
scanned or removed and all it needs is one of its' components to access it
directly...not even spinwrite will remove it. You can try some daring
tactics like making a file image of the computer on to a portable hard
drive, doing a full re-format of the drive, installing a fresh copy of
windows and restoring the file image. It has its risks but it will get most
everything that is hidden in drive tracks and boot sectors.
http://www.runtime.org/driveimage-xml.htm
 
HTH
Jim


 
-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris
Fields
Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2011 6:56 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Not Sure Quite What I'm Dealing With Here - Update 2

[Continued from Update 1]

Having cleaned out the 54 infected items with MalwareBytes, I went back 
to trying to install Vipre.  Guess what!  Right back to "the Windows 
installer cannot be accessed."

I gave another go to the unregistering and reregistering trick.  No 
joy.  Tried another update - back to the houglass followed by nothing!

Found some more information on repairing the windows update agent - 
downloaded WindowsUpdateAgent30-x86.exe from 
support.microsot.com/KG/946929, and following instructions, placed it in 
the root, then ran it with the /wuforce switch.  This did not fix the 
problem.  Yes, I rebooted - it did not fix the problem.

Another bit of advice was to use the WinXP CD, and from the command line 
run sfc /scannow - to verify whether all the protected Windows files are 
intact and in their original versions.  Reboot.  Attempt to install 
Vipre - "installer cannot be accessed."

Next, I booted from the WinXP CD and ran the Repair Install.  After 
that, I tried again to go to Windows Update to bring this fresh 
installation of WinXP SP2 up to date, especially to get SP3 installed.  
Failed - hourglass, followed by nothing.  I ran 
WindowsUpdateAgent30-x86.exe /wuforce again - it failed with error 
0x80070020.  However, not I was able to reach the update site, with 
error 0x8.DDD0007 message that I must restart the computer before 
getting any more updates - turn off and install 5 updates.

Next, I did a Windows update search for ServicePack 3 - found and 
downloaded the ISO image file 
xpsp3_5512.080413-2113_usa_x86fre_spcd.iso, with which I created my SP3 
update CD.  I ran the SP3 update.  It did not complete - update.exe 
extended error code = 0xf200.  Received instruction to run dcomcnfg, 
attempting to verify DCOM security - expand Component Services > 
Computers.  When I attempted to expand the Computers folder, the whole 
Component Services window disappeared.  I repeated that effort enough 
times to note that it happened consistently.  I opened Admin Tools in 
the Control Panel, Computer Management - there is no entry for Local 
Users & Groups.

I tried the SP3 update CD again.  This time it said it did the job.

But, Windows Installer is still not accessed, so I still cannot 
re-install Vipre.  Clicking Windows Update link still produces an 
hourglass and nothing more.

Tried the hotfix for WindowsXP-KB942288-V3-x86.exe again, after making 
sure it was unblocked.  Reboot.  Try to install Vipre.  Installer cannot 
be accessed.
Tried the hotfix for WindowsUpdateAgent30-x86.exe /wuforce, after making 
sure it was unblocked.  Install failed with error 0x8007041d.

Going directly to the windows update site, rather than trying to connect 
through the link, I get through the "checking your system for the latest 
software" screen, to the "Express" or "Custom" install screen - where no 
matter which choice I select, I get the message to reset my Internet 
Security options - error 0x800A0046.  I check those settings and they 
are correct - they match exactly what I am instructed to set.  Even if I 
unset them and Apply - and reset them and Apply - with or without IE 
restarts - I get the same message from Windows Update.  The update 
window acknowledges that the computer is set for automatic updates - 
yet, it will not allow me to do any updates.

I've decided to go back to the beginning.  I'm running Spin-Rite on the 
computer right now, at level 4.  Once I get that finished, I'll do 
another Repair Install, followed immediately by an SP3 update, and see 
what I have at that point.  I'll keep you advised.  I'll welcome and 
appreciate any more thoughts you guys have on this. 

Thanks,
T



From accessd at shaw.ca  Sat Apr 30 12:09:16 2011
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 10:09:16 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Why was the Amazon cloud service down across the country?
In-Reply-To: <347280D4C30C43518A56CA1C4BC53000@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <4DB98B96.6050208@torchlake.com>
	<347280D4C30C43518A56CA1C4BC53000@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <94C3C84E71DD47488A4D9B500E7A7E2C@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Amazon's cloud services have been down a few times and the last crash was
the biggest and covered much of the world. There have been no official
comments for Amazon and for good reason. Finally, an ex-tech from Reddit, no
longer under a gag order, has spoken out and the cause isn't pretty.

It appears that a majority of the problems are related to old and failing
equipment, which is too slow, can fail without warning and there is no
additional equipment for fail-over services. IOW Amazon is supplying a high
end service on a shoe-string budget and getting caught out...and apparently
not learning from their mistakes.

http://www.reddit.com/r/blog/comments/g66f0/why_reddit_was_down_for_6_of_the
_last_24_hours/c1l6ykx

Jim



From john at winhaven.net  Sat Apr 30 13:21:08 2011
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 13:21:08 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Not Sure Quite What I'm Dealing With Here - Update 2
In-Reply-To: <08B453AF0FE949CD91C24EB01029178E@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <4DB98B96.6050208@torchlake.com>	<8B5D681B01D24D038C843ED203F68EB4@creativesystemdesigns.com>	<4DB9D841.16743.44B8B54@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>	<00cf01cc05fa$242773f0$6c765bd0$@winhaven.net>	<4DBC14DB.3040907@torchlake.com>
	<08B453AF0FE949CD91C24EB01029178E@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <003a01cc0763$6090a270$21b1e750$@winhaven.net>

Just an FYI: Spinrite doesn't "remove" anything, or maybe more
appropriately, does its best not to remove anything (nothing is perfect ;-)
It is strictly a surface analysis/repair tool.

If there is a sector marked as bad that isn't, Spinrite will test the crap
out of it and mark it good if it really is. Since Spinrite runs under its
own OS and no longer runs within as OS, nothing can prevent it from doing
so.

-----Original Message-----

Then there are some really deep bugs. Some malware can actually place itself
on a hard drive and mark its position as a bad track so it can never be
scanned or removed and all it needs is one of its' components to access it
directly...not even spinwrite will remove it. You can try some daring
tactics like making a file image of the computer on to a portable hard
drive, doing a full re-format of the drive, installing a fresh copy of
windows and restoring the file image. It has its risks but it will get most
everything that is hidden in drive tracks and boot sectors.
http://www.runtime.org/driveimage-xml.htm
 



From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Sat Apr 30 16:04:28 2011
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 17:04:28 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Not Sure Quite What I'm Dealing With Here - Update 2
In-Reply-To: <003301cc074d$9e236de0$da6a49a0$@winhaven.net>
References: <4DB98B96.6050208@torchlake.com>,
	<8B5D681B01D24D038C843ED203F68EB4@creativesystemdesigns.com><4DB9D841.16743.44B8B54@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<00cf01cc05fa$242773f0$6c765bd0$@winhaven.net><4DBC14DB.3040907@torchlake.com>
	<003301cc074d$9e236de0$da6a49a0$@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <4DBC795C.80708@torchlake.com>

Ran Spin-Rite at level 4.  Am now reviewing user files and putting them 
away elsewhere.  Getting ready to do the Windows reinstallation.
Grateful for all the guidance.
T

John Bartow wrote:
> Hi Tina,
> At this point I think you should consider backing up any user files and
> reinstalling Windows :o(
>
> John B.
> PS: When you can download Vipre Rescue from here:
> http://live.sunbeltsoftware.com/Download/ copy it to a to a USB memory stick
> and run it. It does not require the windows installer. I recommend you boot
> into safe mode and run it from there. However, it won't fix all the windows
> problems you are having.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris
> Fields
> Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2011 8:56 AM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Not Sure Quite What I'm Dealing With Here - Update 2
>
> [Continued from Update 1]
>
> Having cleaned out the 54 infected items with MalwareBytes, I went back to
> trying to install Vipre.  Guess what!  Right back to "the Windows installer
> cannot be accessed."
>
> I gave another go to the unregistering and reregistering trick.  No joy.
> Tried another update - back to the houglass followed by nothing!
>
> Found some more information on repairing the windows update agent -
> downloaded WindowsUpdateAgent30-x86.exe from support.microsot.com/KG/946929,
> and following instructions, placed it in the root, then ran it with the
> /wuforce switch.  This did not fix the problem.  Yes, I rebooted - it did
> not fix the problem.
>
> Another bit of advice was to use the WinXP CD, and from the command line run
> sfc /scannow - to verify whether all the protected Windows files are intact
> and in their original versions.  Reboot.  Attempt to install Vipre -
> "installer cannot be accessed."
>
> Next, I booted from the WinXP CD and ran the Repair Install.  After that, I
> tried again to go to Windows Update to bring this fresh installation of
> WinXP SP2 up to date, especially to get SP3 installed.  
> Failed - hourglass, followed by nothing.  I ran WindowsUpdateAgent30-x86.exe
> /wuforce again - it failed with error 0x80070020.  However, not I was able
> to reach the update site, with error 0x8.DDD0007 message that I must restart
> the computer before getting any more updates - turn off and install 5
> updates.
>
> Next, I did a Windows update search for ServicePack 3 - found and downloaded
> the ISO image file xpsp3_5512.080413-2113_usa_x86fre_spcd.iso, with which I
> created my SP3 update CD.  I ran the SP3 update.  It did not complete -
> update.exe extended error code = 0xf200.  Received instruction to run
> dcomcnfg, attempting to verify DCOM security - expand Component Services >
> Computers.  When I attempted to expand the Computers folder, the whole
> Component Services window disappeared.  I repeated that effort enough times
> to note that it happened consistently.  I opened Admin Tools in the Control
> Panel, Computer Management - there is no entry for Local Users & Groups.
>
> I tried the SP3 update CD again.  This time it said it did the job.
>
> But, Windows Installer is still not accessed, so I still cannot re-install
> Vipre.  Clicking Windows Update link still produces an hourglass and nothing
> more.
>
> Tried the hotfix for WindowsXP-KB942288-V3-x86.exe again, after making sure
> it was unblocked.  Reboot.  Try to install Vipre.  Installer cannot be
> accessed.
> Tried the hotfix for WindowsUpdateAgent30-x86.exe /wuforce, after making
> sure it was unblocked.  Install failed with error 0x8007041d.
>
> Going directly to the windows update site, rather than trying to connect
> through the link, I get through the "checking your system for the latest
> software" screen, to the "Express" or "Custom" install screen - where no
> matter which choice I select, I get the message to reset my Internet
> Security options - error 0x800A0046.  I check those settings and they are
> correct - they match exactly what I am instructed to set.  Even if I unset
> them and Apply - and reset them and Apply - with or without IE restarts - I
> get the same message from Windows Update.  The update window acknowledges
> that the computer is set for automatic updates - yet, it will not allow me
> to do any updates.
>
> I've decided to go back to the beginning.  I'm running Spin-Rite on the
> computer right now, at level 4.  Once I get that finished, I'll do another
> Repair Install, followed immediately by an SP3 update, and see what I have
> at that point.  I'll keep you advised.  I'll welcome and appreciate any more
> thoughts you guys have on this. 
>
> Thanks,
> T
>
> John Bartow wrote:
>   
>> Ditto on that
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart 
>> McLachlan
>> Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 4:13 PM
>> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Not Sure Quite What I'm Dealing With Here
>>
>> Better to grab a copy of ProcessExplorer and use that.  I've seen 
>> systems with TaskMgr
>> hijacked that I could still get into with ProcExp.   
>>
>> It tells you al lot more about what is going on.
>>
>> It also lets you suspend a bunch of processes and then close then down 
>> one at a time.  It's the only way to beat those nasties that run 
>> several instances under different names, all of which watch for each 
>> other and restart  any that are shut down.
>>
>> --
>> Stuart
>>
>>   
>>     
> _______________________________________________
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From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Sat Apr 30 16:40:53 2011
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 17:40:53 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Not Sure Quite What I'm Dealing With Here - Update 2
In-Reply-To: <08B453AF0FE949CD91C24EB01029178E@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <4DB98B96.6050208@torchlake.com><8B5D681B01D24D038C843ED203F68EB4@creativesystemdesigns.com><4DB9D841.16743.44B8B54@s
	tuart.lexacorp.com.pg><00cf01cc05fa$242773f0$6c765bd0$@winhaven.net><4DBC14DB.3040907@torchlake.com>
	<08B453AF0FE949CD91C24EB01029178E@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <4DBC81E5.9060504@torchlake.com>

Fascinating information, Jim.  I am going to download a rootkit scanner, 
for sure and add that trick to my "tool box."  Thank you for all the 
guidance.  It's my kids and grandkids' computer.  Time doesn't matter.  
I'll let you all know what more I find out before I simply reinstall 
Windows.

T

Jim Lawrence wrote:
> You do have a real problem there. As a systems support tech, I run into
> similar issues all the time and at that point have to decide whether to
> actually attempt to resolve the problem or re-image/re-install. (A client is
> not going to pay for me to spend 4 to 6 hours fixing desktop and there is
> just no way to do it fast or at least guarantee it fast.)
>
> You have done all the appropriate surface diagnostics but those types of
> processes can only go so far. If you do really want to solve the problem and
> time is not that important then its time to start becoming serious and start
> hacking.
>
> The first test I would do is check to see whether the kernel has been
> hacked. You can just download/run a rootkit scanner. Some of these apps
> actually say they can repair the kernel but I tend to be suspicious. In most
> cases if your kernel has been compromised it is time to re-install. 
> http://www.techsupportalert.com/best-free-rootkit-scanner-remover.htm
>
> The second problem is that apps can start in a dozen different places went
> Windows boots so the moment you re-boot all the work you may have done is
> just written over when some applications re-runs in the boot cycle and
> replaces all your handy-work. Below is an excellent app for finding various
> start points in a system and suggesting whether a start suspect or not. They
> also have a forum dump review service that may suggest solutions. 
> http://free.antivirus.com/hijackthis/
>
> The third problem is that Windows uses a system of cascading to find some of
> it components for an application. It does not necessarily do direct location
> calls. This gives a hacker a chance to stick a fake component further up the
> search chain. Finding and fixing this can be real grunt work. You have to
> start looking for duplicate files...one may be real, a backup or a hidden
> malware component. The app hackthis may supply you with a start point and
> then you have to work down the cascading chain.
> http://ask-leo.com/what_is_the_system_file_checker_and_how_do_i_run_it.html
>
> There are a thousand services that will allow you to search a questionable
> dll or executable and give you the location in a system where it should be
> and the appropriate size. Here is one of many: http://www.file.net
>
> Then there are some really deep bugs. Some malware can actually place itself
> on a hard drive and mark its position as a bad track so it can never be
> scanned or removed and all it needs is one of its' components to access it
> directly...not even spinwrite will remove it. You can try some daring
> tactics like making a file image of the computer on to a portable hard
> drive, doing a full re-format of the drive, installing a fresh copy of
> windows and restoring the file image. It has its risks but it will get most
> everything that is hidden in drive tracks and boot sectors.
> http://www.runtime.org/driveimage-xml.htm
>  
> HTH
> Jim
>
>
>  
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris
> Fields
> Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2011 6:56 AM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Not Sure Quite What I'm Dealing With Here - Update 2
>
> [Continued from Update 1]
>
> Having cleaned out the 54 infected items with MalwareBytes, I went back 
> to trying to install Vipre.  Guess what!  Right back to "the Windows 
> installer cannot be accessed."
>
> I gave another go to the unregistering and reregistering trick.  No 
> joy.  Tried another update - back to the houglass followed by nothing!
>
> Found some more information on repairing the windows update agent - 
> downloaded WindowsUpdateAgent30-x86.exe from 
> support.microsot.com/KG/946929, and following instructions, placed it in 
> the root, then ran it with the /wuforce switch.  This did not fix the 
> problem.  Yes, I rebooted - it did not fix the problem.
>
> Another bit of advice was to use the WinXP CD, and from the command line 
> run sfc /scannow - to verify whether all the protected Windows files are 
> intact and in their original versions.  Reboot.  Attempt to install 
> Vipre - "installer cannot be accessed."
>
> Next, I booted from the WinXP CD and ran the Repair Install.  After 
> that, I tried again to go to Windows Update to bring this fresh 
> installation of WinXP SP2 up to date, especially to get SP3 installed.  
> Failed - hourglass, followed by nothing.  I ran 
> WindowsUpdateAgent30-x86.exe /wuforce again - it failed with error 
> 0x80070020.  However, not I was able to reach the update site, with 
> error 0x8.DDD0007 message that I must restart the computer before 
> getting any more updates - turn off and install 5 updates.
>
> Next, I did a Windows update search for ServicePack 3 - found and 
> downloaded the ISO image file 
> xpsp3_5512.080413-2113_usa_x86fre_spcd.iso, with which I created my SP3 
> update CD.  I ran the SP3 update.  It did not complete - update.exe 
> extended error code = 0xf200.  Received instruction to run dcomcnfg, 
> attempting to verify DCOM security - expand Component Services > 
> Computers.  When I attempted to expand the Computers folder, the whole 
> Component Services window disappeared.  I repeated that effort enough 
> times to note that it happened consistently.  I opened Admin Tools in 
> the Control Panel, Computer Management - there is no entry for Local 
> Users & Groups.
>
> I tried the SP3 update CD again.  This time it said it did the job.
>
> But, Windows Installer is still not accessed, so I still cannot 
> re-install Vipre.  Clicking Windows Update link still produces an 
> hourglass and nothing more.
>
> Tried the hotfix for WindowsXP-KB942288-V3-x86.exe again, after making 
> sure it was unblocked.  Reboot.  Try to install Vipre.  Installer cannot 
> be accessed.
> Tried the hotfix for WindowsUpdateAgent30-x86.exe /wuforce, after making 
> sure it was unblocked.  Install failed with error 0x8007041d.
>
> Going directly to the windows update site, rather than trying to connect 
> through the link, I get through the "checking your system for the latest 
> software" screen, to the "Express" or "Custom" install screen - where no 
> matter which choice I select, I get the message to reset my Internet 
> Security options - error 0x800A0046.  I check those settings and they 
> are correct - they match exactly what I am instructed to set.  Even if I 
> unset them and Apply - and reset them and Apply - with or without IE 
> restarts - I get the same message from Windows Update.  The update 
> window acknowledges that the computer is set for automatic updates - 
> yet, it will not allow me to do any updates.
>
> I've decided to go back to the beginning.  I'm running Spin-Rite on the 
> computer right now, at level 4.  Once I get that finished, I'll do 
> another Repair Install, followed immediately by an SP3 update, and see 
> what I have at that point.  I'll keep you advised.  I'll welcome and 
> appreciate any more thoughts you guys have on this. 
>
> Thanks,
> T
>
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sat Apr 30 21:11:33 2011
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 19:11:33 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Not Sure Quite What I'm Dealing With Here - Update 2
In-Reply-To: <003a01cc0763$6090a270$21b1e750$@winhaven.net>
References: <4DB98B96.6050208@torchlake.com>
	<8B5D681B01D24D038C843ED203F68EB4@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<4DB9D841.16743.44B8B54@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<00cf01cc05fa$242773f0$6c765bd0$@winhaven.net>
	<4DBC14DB.3040907@torchlake.com>
	<08B453AF0FE949CD91C24EB01029178E@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<003a01cc0763$6090a270$21b1e750$@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <862423AC772E4B3DA9885622E97CB8A9@creativesystemdesigns.com>

True, but Spinrite does not clear any data as you said and once the OS
starts up again, if a piece of malware is/was 'hidden' in some position on
the hard drive, it is just re-tagged as a bad track and the app carries on.
There was an article on the whole process of these new super bugs but I can
not even remember when and where I read it, but I will definitely post it if
it appears up.

Jim



-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow
Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2011 11:21 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Not Sure Quite What I'm Dealing With Here - Update 2

Just an FYI: Spinrite doesn't "remove" anything, or maybe more
appropriately, does its best not to remove anything (nothing is perfect ;-)
It is strictly a surface analysis/repair tool.

If there is a sector marked as bad that isn't, Spinrite will test the crap
out of it and mark it good if it really is. Since Spinrite runs under its
own OS and no longer runs within as OS, nothing can prevent it from doing
so.

-----Original Message-----

Then there are some really deep bugs. Some malware can actually place itself
on a hard drive and mark its position as a bad track so it can never be
scanned or removed and all it needs is one of its' components to access it
directly...not even spinwrite will remove it. You can try some daring
tactics like making a file image of the computer on to a portable hard
drive, doing a full re-format of the drive, installing a fresh copy of
windows and restoring the file image. It has its risks but it will get most
everything that is hidden in drive tracks and boot sectors.
http://www.runtime.org/driveimage-xml.htm
 

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From john at winhaven.net  Sat Apr 30 22:51:31 2011
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 22:51:31 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Not Sure Quite What I'm Dealing With Here - Update 2
In-Reply-To: <862423AC772E4B3DA9885622E97CB8A9@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <4DB98B96.6050208@torchlake.com>	<8B5D681B01D24D038C843ED203F68EB4@creativesystemdesigns.com>	<4DB9D841.16743.44B8B54@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>	<00cf01cc05fa$242773f0$6c765bd0$@winhaven.net>	<4DBC14DB.3040907@torchlake.com>	<08B453AF0FE949CD91C24EB01029178E@creativesystemdesigns.com>	<003a01cc0763$6090a270$21b1e750$@winhaven.net>
	<862423AC772E4B3DA9885622E97CB8A9@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <006801cc07b3$0f2a42b0$2d7ec810$@winhaven.net>

I understand what you're saying. I just wasn't sure if you knew what
Spinrite was for (hey, not everyone uses the same tools). Just as some of us
use HiJack This! and some use Autoruns. 

Please do post if you find discussions on these. I've probably read them
before but it never hurts to read them again as this is stuff I have to deal
with constantly, just as you probably have to :o(

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2011 9:12 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Not Sure Quite What I'm Dealing With Here - Update 2

True, but Spinrite does not clear any data as you said and once the OS
starts up again, if a piece of malware is/was 'hidden' in some position on
the hard drive, it is just re-tagged as a bad track and the app carries on.
There was an article on the whole process of these new super bugs but I can
not even remember when and where I read it, but I will definitely post it if
it appears up.