From accessd at shaw.ca Fri Aug 5 12:58:16 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 10:58:16 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Adobe is tentatively moving to HTML5 In-Reply-To: <59D3F12A77604C908A4C7E1970E6FA40@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB08295492AF7CA3D@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk> <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB08295492B787C56@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk> <59D3F12A77604C908A4C7E1970E6FA40@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: It looks like Adobe, the staunch supporter and creator of Flash, has now tentatively embraced HTML5. For those interested you can download their (beta) version of their new applications call "Adobe Edge Preview" at http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/entitlement/index.cfm?e=labs_edge There is also a number of samples and documentation available. (Note: You may have to sign in but there is no charge or hidden installs.) Jim From john at winhaven.net Fri Aug 5 13:23:07 2011 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 13:23:07 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Adobe is tentatively moving to HTML5 In-Reply-To: References: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB08295492AF7CA3D@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk> <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB08295492B787C56@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk> <59D3F12A77604C908A4C7E1970E6FA40@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <003701cc539c$b97d4520$2c77cf60$@winhaven.net> Hi Jim, (Nit-picking: Adobe didn't create Flash, they bought it.) I was kind of surprised that they didn't integrate it directly into Flash's UI but I guess the hardcore Adobe staff probably took advantage of the situation to rid themselves of a lot of editorial comments such as: "Macromedia made it but they just bought it and they've just modified it to look like an Adobe product". ;o) John B -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 12:58 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Adobe is tentatively moving to HTML5 It looks like Adobe, the staunch supporter and creator of Flash, has now tentatively embraced HTML5. For those interested you can download their (beta) version of their new applications call "Adobe Edge Preview" at http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/entitlement/index.cfm?e=labs_edge There is also a number of samples and documentation available. (Note: You may have to sign in but there is no charge or hidden installs.) Jim _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Fri Aug 5 17:33:43 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 15:33:43 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Adobe is tentatively moving to HTML5 In-Reply-To: <003701cc539c$b97d4520$2c77cf60$@winhaven.net> References: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB08295492AF7CA3D@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk> <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB08295492B787C56@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk> <59D3F12A77604C908A4C7E1970E6FA40@creativesystemdesigns.com> <003701cc539c$b97d4520$2c77cf60$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: <5146FADB914C4F34A11DDF6D540C3231@creativesystemdesigns.com> Oh yes, Macromedia. I was kind of disappointed when Macromedia was absorbed. That made only one graphic source, one monopoly. There are still a few bit players (Corell is still around?) but no serious competition. I guess keeping up with deploying the latest Flash client to every station and laptop has become a bit of an issue and Apples refusal to use it has made Flash a suspected product...Besides flash sites are not web searchable. So in summary it is good to see Adobe get on the program. Now if we can just get MS to stay on the wagon and not try to make preemptive changes to HTML5, life for web developers will be good. ;-) Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 11:23 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Adobe is tentatively moving to HTML5 Hi Jim, (Nit-picking: Adobe didn't create Flash, they bought it.) I was kind of surprised that they didn't integrate it directly into Flash's UI but I guess the hardcore Adobe staff probably took advantage of the situation to rid themselves of a lot of editorial comments such as: "Macromedia made it but they just bought it and they've just modified it to look like an Adobe product". ;o) John B -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 12:58 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Adobe is tentatively moving to HTML5 It looks like Adobe, the staunch supporter and creator of Flash, has now tentatively embraced HTML5. For those interested you can download their (beta) version of their new applications call "Adobe Edge Preview" at http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/entitlement/index.cfm?e=labs_edge There is also a number of samples and documentation available. (Note: You may have to sign in but there is no charge or hidden installs.) Jim _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From john at winhaven.net Fri Aug 5 18:20:30 2011 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 18:20:30 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Adobe is tentatively moving to HTML5 In-Reply-To: <5146FADB914C4F34A11DDF6D540C3231@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB08295492AF7CA3D@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk> <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB08295492B787C56@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk> <59D3F12A77604C908A4C7E1970E6FA40@creativesystemdesigns.com> <003701cc539c$b97d4520$2c77cf60$@winhaven.net> <5146FADB914C4F34A11DDF6D540C3231@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <008301cc53c6$44c62c90$ce5285b0$@winhaven.net> agreed -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 5:34 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Adobe is tentatively moving to HTML5 Oh yes, Macromedia. I was kind of disappointed when Macromedia was absorbed. That made only one graphic source, one monopoly. There are still a few bit players (Corell is still around?) but no serious competition. I guess keeping up with deploying the latest Flash client to every station and laptop has become a bit of an issue and Apples refusal to use it has made Flash a suspected product...Besides flash sites are not web searchable. So in summary it is good to see Adobe get on the program. Now if we can just get MS to stay on the wagon and not try to make preemptive changes to HTML5, life for web developers will be good. ;-) Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 11:23 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Adobe is tentatively moving to HTML5 Hi Jim, (Nit-picking: Adobe didn't create Flash, they bought it.) I was kind of surprised that they didn't integrate it directly into Flash's UI but I guess the hardcore Adobe staff probably took advantage of the situation to rid themselves of a lot of editorial comments such as: "Macromedia made it but they just bought it and they've just modified it to look like an Adobe product". ;o) John B -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 12:58 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Adobe is tentatively moving to HTML5 It looks like Adobe, the staunch supporter and creator of Flash, has now tentatively embraced HTML5. For those interested you can download their (beta) version of their new applications call "Adobe Edge Preview" at http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/entitlement/index.cfm?e=labs_edge There is also a number of samples and documentation available. (Note: You may have to sign in but there is no charge or hidden installs.) Jim _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Tue Aug 9 11:13:34 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2011 09:13:34 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] The cutting edge with Adobe Edge In-Reply-To: References: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB08295492AF7CA3D@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk> <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB08295492B787C56@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk> <59D3F12A77604C908A4C7E1970E6FA40@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <5FF836CAA682450985C04194D476D28C@creativesystemdesigns.com> This product looks like Adobe's replacement for it Flash. Flash's greatness was its richness of graphics and its wonderful programming interface. It problem, like the new Silverlight, was that it is a closed source product and an additional plug-in that has to be on every client computer to work. That just was never going to happen. It final demise may have nothing to do with its nature but that its content is unsearchable on the web. That relegates Flash and Silverlight products to little more the website candy and little more. Adobe for its part has made incredible efforts to make sure that Flash works in every browser and platform and updates are always current but it has been seeing a slow erosion of its use as developers need a universal open product which runs on all browsers straight out of the box. Enter HTML5 and CSS3 which all the major browser designers have been adopting. Microsoft is still a bit of a hold out as it has invested huge amounts in Silverlight and they still believe, at times, that they still control 90 percent of the browser market. They have been watching a 1 percent drop in IE's use per month for the last 5 years and now they have been forced to comply with an open standard of which they have no control and therefore see no profit. They will of course, eventually, embrace the inevitable. Adobe is now giving away a beta product called Edge, a HTML5 editor specializing in simplifying the development of Flash like graphics using HTML5. Here is a post by an early adopter: http://net.tutsplus.com/articles/on-the-cutting-edge-with-adobes-edge/ Jim From jon at tydda.plus.com Wed Aug 10 14:57:04 2011 From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2011 20:57:04 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Cross post - Password security Message-ID: <3F17CF03C6FB45C7BC7156CF87D8B7D5@jt2c> Hi all Someon'e just posted this on my wall on facebook, and it looks really interesting, thought I'd share it. https://www.grc.com/haystack.htm Jon From peter.brawley at earthlink.net Wed Aug 10 14:59:46 2011 From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2011 14:59:46 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Cross post - Password security In-Reply-To: <3F17CF03C6FB45C7BC7156CF87D8B7D5@jt2c> References: <3F17CF03C6FB45C7BC7156CF87D8B7D5@jt2c> Message-ID: <4E42E332.8000102@earthlink.net> If you wanted to collect a lot of passwords for hacking, that'd be a terrific way to start. PB On 8/10/2011 2:57 PM, Jon Tydda wrote: > Hi all > > Someon'e just posted this on my wall on facebook, and it looks really > interesting, thought I'd share it. > > https://www.grc.com/haystack.htm > > > Jon > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From jon at tydda.plus.com Wed Aug 10 15:16:36 2011 From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2011 21:16:36 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Cross post - Password security In-Reply-To: <4E42E332.8000102@earthlink.net> References: <3F17CF03C6FB45C7BC7156CF87D8B7D5@jt2c> <4E42E332.8000102@earthlink.net> Message-ID: SUCH a cynic! But yeah, that's why I didn't use my actual password when I tried it, just something similar... :-) Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Peter Brawley Sent: 10 August 2011 21:00 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Cross post - Password security If you wanted to collect a lot of passwords for hacking, that'd be a terrific way to start. PB On 8/10/2011 2:57 PM, Jon Tydda wrote: > Hi all > > Someon'e just posted this on my wall on facebook, and it looks really > interesting, thought I'd share it. > > https://www.grc.com/haystack.htm > > > Jon > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Wed Aug 10 15:38:57 2011 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2011 06:38:57 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] Cross post - Password security In-Reply-To: <3F17CF03C6FB45C7BC7156CF87D8B7D5@jt2c> References: <3F17CF03C6FB45C7BC7156CF87D8B7D5@jt2c> Message-ID: <4E42EC61.24049.27830CC@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Excellent advice there. How to make a strong easily remembered password. On 10 Aug 2011 at 20:57, Jon Tydda wrote: > Hi all > > Someon'e just posted this on my wall on facebook, and it looks really > interesting, thought I'd share it. > > https://www.grc.com/haystack.htm > > > Jon > _______________________________________________ > dba-OT mailing list > dba-OT at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-ot > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From peter.brawley at earthlink.net Wed Aug 10 15:39:53 2011 From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2011 15:39:53 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Cross post - Password security In-Reply-To: References: <3F17CF03C6FB45C7BC7156CF87D8B7D5@jt2c> <4E42E332.8000102@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4E42EC99.1040802@earthlink.net> On 8/10/2011 3:16 PM, Jon Tydda wrote: > SUCH a cynic! Heh, a scaredy-cat actually :-) It's an excellent idea for an app one could run without 'net connectivity. Any chance it's open source? PB ----- > > But yeah, that's why I didn't use my actual password when I tried it, just > something similar... :-) > > > Jon > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Peter Brawley > Sent: 10 August 2011 21:00 > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Cross post - Password security > > If you wanted to collect a lot of passwords for hacking, that'd be a > terrific way to start. > > PB > > On 8/10/2011 2:57 PM, Jon Tydda wrote: >> Hi all >> >> Someon'e just posted this on my wall on facebook, and it looks really >> interesting, thought I'd share it. >> >> https://www.grc.com/haystack.htm >> >> >> Jon >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Wed Aug 10 15:49:28 2011 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2011 06:49:28 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Cross post - Password security In-Reply-To: <4E42EC99.1040802@earthlink.net> References: <3F17CF03C6FB45C7BC7156CF87D8B7D5@jt2c>, , <4E42EC99.1040802@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4E42EED8.587.281D1CC@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Hardly need the source. You could knock the same thing up in a few lines of code in your language of choice. I figure about 10 minutes to do it in PB or VBA. -- Stuart On 10 Aug 2011 at 15:39, Peter Brawley wrote: > On 8/10/2011 3:16 PM, Jon Tydda wrote: > > SUCH a cynic! > Heh, a scaredy-cat actually :-) > > It's an excellent idea for an app one could run without 'net > connectivity. Any chance it's open source? > > PB > > ----- > > > > > But yeah, that's why I didn't use my actual password when I tried > > it, just something similar... :-) > > > > > > Jon > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Peter > > Brawley Sent: 10 August 2011 21:00 To: Discussion of Hardware and > > Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Cross post - Password > > security > > > > If you wanted to collect a lot of passwords for hacking, that'd be a > > terrific way to start. > > > > PB > > > > On 8/10/2011 2:57 PM, Jon Tydda wrote: > >> Hi all > >> > >> Someon'e just posted this on my wall on facebook, and it looks > >> really interesting, thought I'd share it. > >> > >> https://www.grc.com/haystack.htm > >> > >> > >> Jon > >> _______________________________________________ > >> dba-Tech mailing list > >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From jon at tydda.plus.com Wed Aug 10 15:52:50 2011 From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2011 21:52:50 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] Cross post - Password security In-Reply-To: References: <3F17CF03C6FB45C7BC7156CF87D8B7D5@jt2c> Message-ID: <7147E97A172D4D45846F9A76764545AE@jt2c> Too right, my account gets locked at work after 3 failed attempts, and it does at every job I've had. Maybe it's websites - I've not seen Facebook or Google lock accounts out, simply because of the complete impossibility of you being able to phone up and ask for it to be unlocked... Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-ot-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-ot-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Erbach Sent: 10 August 2011 21:42 To: Off Topic Cc: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-OT] Cross post - Password security Jon, But this brings up another question: What kind of systems are hackers breaking into that allow them BILLIONS of tries at the password? I never understood that. Regards, Steve Erbach Neenah, WI On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 2:57 PM, Jon Tydda wrote: > Hi all > > Someon'e just posted this on my wall on facebook, and it looks really > interesting, thought I'd share it. > > https://www.grc.com/haystack.htm > > > Jon > _______________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ dba-OT mailing list dba-OT at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-ot Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Wed Aug 10 16:23:33 2011 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2011 07:23:33 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Cross post - Password security In-Reply-To: <3F17CF03C6FB45C7BC7156CF87D8B7D5@jt2c> References: <3F17CF03C6FB45C7BC7156CF87D8B7D5@jt2c> Message-ID: <4E42F6D5.1953.2A1052B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Talk about co-incidence. Today's xkcd: http://xkcd.com/936/ -- Stuart On 10 Aug 2011 at 20:57, Jon Tydda wrote: > Hi all > > Someon'e just posted this on my wall on facebook, and it looks really > interesting, thought I'd share it. > > https://www.grc.com/haystack.htm > > > Jon > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From jon at tydda.plus.com Wed Aug 10 16:37:09 2011 From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2011 22:37:09 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] Cross post - Password security In-Reply-To: <4E42F6D5.1953.2A1052B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <3F17CF03C6FB45C7BC7156CF87D8B7D5@jt2c> <4E42F6D5.1953.2A1052B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <6BCA4790779A4DD892FFD43AC5EC7483@jt2c> That's what I posted on my wall that the GRC one was a reply to :-) Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-ot-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-ot-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: 10 August 2011 22:24 To: 'Off Topic'; 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-OT] [dba-Tech] Cross post - Password security Talk about co-incidence. Today's xkcd: http://xkcd.com/936/ -- Stuart On 10 Aug 2011 at 20:57, Jon Tydda wrote: > Hi all > > Someon'e just posted this on my wall on facebook, and it looks really > interesting, thought I'd share it. > > https://www.grc.com/haystack.htm > > > Jon > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-OT mailing list dba-OT at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-ot Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Wed Aug 10 17:27:16 2011 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2011 08:27:16 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] Cross post - Password security In-Reply-To: <6BCA4790779A4DD892FFD43AC5EC7483@jt2c> References: <3F17CF03C6FB45C7BC7156CF87D8B7D5@jt2c>, <4E42F6D5.1953.2A1052B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>, <6BCA4790779A4DD892FFD43AC5EC7483@jt2c> Message-ID: <4E4305C4.18835.2DB5D5A@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> An interesting difference of opinion between the two. I go along with xkcd "aA4!aaaa" is no more secure that "aaaaaaaa" as long as there is the *potential* for the password to contain uppercase,digits and special characters. -- Stuart On 10 Aug 2011 at 22:37, Jon Tydda wrote: > That's what I posted on my wall that the GRC one was a reply to :-) > > > Jon > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-ot-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-ot-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart > McLachlan Sent: 10 August 2011 22:24 To: 'Off Topic'; 'Discussion of > Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-OT] [dba-Tech] Cross > post - Password security > > Talk about co-incidence. Today's xkcd: > > http://xkcd.com/936/ > > > > -- > Stuart > > On 10 Aug 2011 at 20:57, Jon Tydda wrote: > > > Hi all > > > > Someon'e just posted this on my wall on facebook, and it looks > > really interesting, thought I'd share it. > > > > https://www.grc.com/haystack.htm > > > > > > Jon > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-OT mailing list > dba-OT at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-ot > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From accessd at shaw.ca Thu Aug 11 09:06:22 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2011 07:06:22 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Cross post - Password security In-Reply-To: <4E42F6D5.1953.2A1052B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <3F17CF03C6FB45C7BC7156CF87D8B7D5@jt2c> <4E42F6D5.1953.2A1052B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <9EB5F17617EF4343981FCA4B1CB25FC6@creativesystemdesigns.com> Here is a comment for a very good systems guy on that level and type of password: "Yep. I saw that. Unfortunately, it is flawed. Reason being that the average person only has a small vocabulary and therefore this does not increase the entropy as much as suggested. In fact, a four word password could easily be cracked within a few days with current CPU/GPU technology. It's a nice idea though, which does lead to decent password strength if you tweak the idea a bit with something like putting x many underscores in front of the password and something like that. A bit like salting your hash function." Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 2:24 PM To: 'Off Topic'; 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Cross post - Password security Talk about co-incidence. Today's xkcd: http://xkcd.com/936/ -- Stuart On 10 Aug 2011 at 20:57, Jon Tydda wrote: > Hi all > > Someon'e just posted this on my wall on facebook, and it looks really > interesting, thought I'd share it. > > https://www.grc.com/haystack.htm > > > Jon > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Thu Aug 11 09:32:14 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2011 07:32:14 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] Cross post - Password security In-Reply-To: <4E4305C4.18835.2DB5D5A@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <3F17CF03C6FB45C7BC7156CF87D8B7D5@jt2c> <4E42F6D5.1953.2A1052B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <6BCA4790779A4DD892FFD43AC5EC7483@jt2c> <4E4305C4.18835.2DB5D5A@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <55F53F3F167C44CAB3E036D8291571C8@creativesystemdesigns.com> Here is some info on Rainbow tables which are used in the algorithms in crack password hashes: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rainbow_table This method can crack a 12 character Access password in about 3 seconds using a standard desktop. After that resources and processing requirements starts going up exponentially. A 20 character password is supposed to be virtually uncrackable. If you are managing your own passwords or login: "Defense against rainbow tables A rainbow table is ineffective against one-way hashes that include salts. For example, consider a password hash that is generated using the following function (where "." is the concatenation operator): saltedhash(password) = hash(password.salt) Or saltedhash(password) = hash(hash(password).salt) The salt value is not secret and may be generated at random and stored with the password hash. A large salt value prevents precomputation attacks, including rainbow tables, by ensuring that each user's password is hashed uniquely. This means that two users with the same password will have different password hashes (assuming different salts are used). " If you want to play with Rainbow tables check the following out: http://www.freerainbowtables.com/ ...and here is the best 'free' demo for hacking against your old XP and Vista/Windows7 box: http://ophcrack.sourceforge.net/tables.php Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 3:27 PM To: 'Off Topic'; 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] Cross post - Password security An interesting difference of opinion between the two. I go along with xkcd "aA4!aaaa" is no more secure that "aaaaaaaa" as long as there is the *potential* for the password to contain uppercase,digits and special characters. -- Stuart On 10 Aug 2011 at 22:37, Jon Tydda wrote: > That's what I posted on my wall that the GRC one was a reply to :-) > > > Jon > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-ot-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-ot-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart > McLachlan Sent: 10 August 2011 22:24 To: 'Off Topic'; 'Discussion of > Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-OT] [dba-Tech] Cross > post - Password security > > Talk about co-incidence. Today's xkcd: > > http://xkcd.com/936/ > > > > -- > Stuart > > On 10 Aug 2011 at 20:57, Jon Tydda wrote: > > > Hi all > > > > Someon'e just posted this on my wall on facebook, and it looks > > really interesting, thought I'd share it. > > > > https://www.grc.com/haystack.htm > > > > > > Jon > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-OT mailing list > dba-OT at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-ot > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From john at winhaven.net Thu Aug 11 09:50:12 2011 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2011 09:50:12 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Cross post - Password security In-Reply-To: <9EB5F17617EF4343981FCA4B1CB25FC6@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <3F17CF03C6FB45C7BC7156CF87D8B7D5@jt2c> <4E42F6D5.1953.2A1052B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <9EB5F17617EF4343981FCA4B1CB25FC6@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <003301cc5835$f9510810$ebf31830$@winhaven.net> Hi Jim, Given that, what would he recommend for password discipline? I've personally gone to 16 characters or more auto generated, random passwords using all characters allowed by a site. I honestly don't know too many passwords anymore. Pretty much just the one to open my password manager. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 9:06 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Cross post - Password security Here is a comment for a very good systems guy on that level and type of password: "Yep. I saw that. Unfortunately, it is flawed. Reason being that the average person only has a small vocabulary and therefore this does not increase the entropy as much as suggested. In fact, a four word password could easily be cracked within a few days with current CPU/GPU technology. It's a nice idea though, which does lead to decent password strength if you tweak the idea a bit with something like putting x many underscores in front of the password and something like that. A bit like salting your hash function." Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 2:24 PM To: 'Off Topic'; 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Cross post - Password security Talk about co-incidence. Today's xkcd: http://xkcd.com/936/ -- Stuart On 10 Aug 2011 at 20:57, Jon Tydda wrote: > Hi all > > Someon'e just posted this on my wall on facebook, and it looks really > interesting, thought I'd share it. > > https://www.grc.com/haystack.htm > > > Jon > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Thu Aug 11 10:29:29 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2011 08:29:29 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Cross post - Password security In-Reply-To: <003301cc5835$f9510810$ebf31830$@winhaven.net> References: <3F17CF03C6FB45C7BC7156CF87D8B7D5@jt2c> <4E42F6D5.1953.2A1052B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <9EB5F17617EF4343981FCA4B1CB25FC6@creativesystemdesigns.com> <003301cc5835$f9510810$ebf31830$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: <332B993D45BF4757800BB7C9992314C2@creativesystemdesigns.com> I tend to like increasing the size of a password as that eliminates just about all hacking. Throw in a few mixed case, numbers and special characters and you have it sewed up. I do not tend to go with a random character generated value as the chances of me or anyone else remembering it is highly unlikely. This just makes the user write the passwords down and stores them near their station...under the keyboard is a standard practice. >From the other post, when it comes to SQL logins, I like to make the password close to uncrackable and this can be done by salting the password. When the person logs in through Access the password is good but not super but when the system locks them on to the SQL server it adds up the password. This makes it so no person, other than via the Access application can get access to the data. Access password: George_ Fennimore at 38 Salt: Hi all > > Someon'e just posted this on my wall on facebook, and it looks really > interesting, thought I'd share it. > > https://www.grc.com/haystack.htm > > > Jon > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Thu Aug 11 13:15:01 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2011 11:15:01 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] Cross post - Password security In-Reply-To: <7147E97A172D4D45846F9A76764545AE@jt2c> References: <3F17CF03C6FB45C7BC7156CF87D8B7D5@jt2c> <7147E97A172D4D45846F9A76764545AE@jt2c> Message-ID: On a website you can add a "password" that, as of yet can not be cracked and which continually changes. In the following link, I have used the Caption creator from Google to stop automated spammers: http://www.creativesystemdesigns.com/contact/contact.asp Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 1:53 PM To: 'Off Topic' Cc: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] Cross post - Password security Too right, my account gets locked at work after 3 failed attempts, and it does at every job I've had. Maybe it's websites - I've not seen Facebook or Google lock accounts out, simply because of the complete impossibility of you being able to phone up and ask for it to be unlocked... Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-ot-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-ot-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Erbach Sent: 10 August 2011 21:42 To: Off Topic Cc: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-OT] Cross post - Password security Jon, But this brings up another question: What kind of systems are hackers breaking into that allow them BILLIONS of tries at the password? I never understood that. Regards, Steve Erbach Neenah, WI On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 2:57 PM, Jon Tydda wrote: > Hi all > > Someon'e just posted this on my wall on facebook, and it looks really > interesting, thought I'd share it. > > https://www.grc.com/haystack.htm > > > Jon > _______________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ dba-OT mailing list dba-OT at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-ot Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Thu Aug 11 16:08:03 2011 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2011 07:08:03 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Cross post - Password security In-Reply-To: <9EB5F17617EF4343981FCA4B1CB25FC6@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <3F17CF03C6FB45C7BC7156CF87D8B7D5@jt2c>, <4E42F6D5.1953.2A1052B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>, <9EB5F17617EF4343981FCA4B1CB25FC6@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <4E4444B3.25461.7B939AE@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Your systems guy has missed the point. It is only easily cracked if the password rules are "must be four english words" and the attacker knows that fact. If the rules are "use any mixture of upper and lower case, digits and special characters" then your private choice to concatenate several words makes it easier to remember without making it easier to crack. In that situation, ManBearPig or manbearpig is just as secure as M*aBbbbP11. -- Stuart On 11 Aug 2011 at 7:06, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Here is a comment for a very good systems guy on that level and type > of password: > > "Yep. I saw that. Unfortunately, it is flawed. Reason being that the > average person only has a small vocabulary and therefore this does not > increase the entropy as much as suggested. In fact, a four word > password could easily be cracked within a few days with current > CPU/GPU technology. It's a nice idea though, which does lead to decent > password strength if you tweak the idea a bit with something like > putting x many underscores in front of the password and something like > that. A bit like salting your hash function." > > Jim > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart > McLachlan Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 2:24 PM To: 'Off Topic'; > 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] > Cross post - Password security > > Talk about co-incidence. Today's xkcd: > > http://xkcd.com/936/ > > > > -- > Stuart > > On 10 Aug 2011 at 20:57, Jon Tydda wrote: > > > Hi all > > > > Someon'e just posted this on my wall on facebook, and it looks > > really interesting, thought I'd share it. > > > > https://www.grc.com/haystack.htm > > > > > > Jon > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From df.waters at comcast.net Thu Aug 11 16:12:28 2011 From: df.waters at comcast.net (Dan Waters) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2011 16:12:28 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Cross post - Password security In-Reply-To: <4E4444B3.25461.7B939AE@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <3F17CF03C6FB45C7BC7156CF87D8B7D5@jt2c>, <4E42F6D5.1953.2A1052B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>, <9EB5F17617EF4343981FCA4B1CB25FC6@creativesystemdesigns.com> <4E4444B3.25461.7B939AE@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <006a01cc586b$613dd950$23b98bf0$@comcast.net> I could easily 1heart.xkcd2, or 'I Love XKCD Too'. Just an example of slight tweaking to a personal phrase that would increase the time to crack. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 4:08 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Cross post - Password security Your systems guy has missed the point. It is only easily cracked if the password rules are "must be four english words" and the attacker knows that fact. If the rules are "use any mixture of upper and lower case, digits and special characters" then your private choice to concatenate several words makes it easier to remember without making it easier to crack. In that situation, ManBearPig or manbearpig is just as secure as M*aBbbbP11. -- Stuart On 11 Aug 2011 at 7:06, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Here is a comment for a very good systems guy on that level and type > of password: > > "Yep. I saw that. Unfortunately, it is flawed. Reason being that the > average person only has a small vocabulary and therefore this does not > increase the entropy as much as suggested. In fact, a four word > password could easily be cracked within a few days with current > CPU/GPU technology. It's a nice idea though, which does lead to decent > password strength if you tweak the idea a bit with something like > putting x many underscores in front of the password and something like > that. A bit like salting your hash function." > > Jim > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart > McLachlan Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 2:24 PM To: 'Off Topic'; > 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] > Cross post - Password security > > Talk about co-incidence. Today's xkcd: > > http://xkcd.com/936/ > > > > -- > Stuart > > On 10 Aug 2011 at 20:57, Jon Tydda wrote: > > > Hi all > > > > Someon'e just posted this on my wall on facebook, and it looks > > really interesting, thought I'd share it. > > > > https://www.grc.com/haystack.htm > > > > > > Jon > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Thu Aug 11 16:25:13 2011 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2011 07:25:13 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] Cross post - Password security In-Reply-To: References: <3F17CF03C6FB45C7BC7156CF87D8B7D5@jt2c>, <7147E97A172D4D45846F9A76764545AE@jt2c>, Message-ID: <4E4448B9.32545.7C8F10B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> That's "captcha" not "Caption". An acronym for"Completely Automated Public Turing test to tell Computers and Humans Apart" There are plenty of the cases of captchas being cracked. The battle between captcha designers and attackers is ongoing. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CAPTCHA -- Stuart On 11 Aug 2011 at 11:15, Jim Lawrence wrote: > On a website you can add a "password" that, as of yet can not be > cracked and which continually changes. In the following link, I have > used the Caption creator from Google to stop automated spammers: > > http://www.creativesystemdesigns.com/contact/contact.asp > > Jim > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda > Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 1:53 PM To: 'Off Topic' Cc: > 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] > [dba-OT] Cross post - Password security > > Too right, my account gets locked at work after 3 failed attempts, and > it does at every job I've had. Maybe it's websites - I've not seen > Facebook or Google lock accounts out, simply because of the complete > impossibility of you being able to phone up and ask for it to be > unlocked... > > > Jon > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-ot-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-ot-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Erbach > Sent: 10 August 2011 21:42 To: Off Topic Cc: Discussion of Hardware > and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-OT] Cross post - Password > security > > Jon, > > But this brings up another question: What kind of systems are hackers > breaking into that allow them BILLIONS of tries at the password? I > never understood that. > > Regards, > > Steve Erbach > Neenah, WI > > > On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 2:57 PM, Jon Tydda wrote: > > > Hi all > > > > Someon'e just posted this on my wall on facebook, and it looks > > really interesting, thought I'd share it. > > > > https://www.grc.com/haystack.htm > > > > > > Jon > > _______________________________________________ > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-OT mailing list > dba-OT at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-ot > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From accessd at shaw.ca Thu Aug 11 19:20:33 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2011 17:20:33 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] Cross post - Password security In-Reply-To: <4E4448B9.32545.7C8F10B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <3F17CF03C6FB45C7BC7156CF87D8B7D5@jt2c> <7147E97A172D4D45846F9A76764545AE@jt2c> <4E4448B9.32545.7C8F10B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <93152205FA5E450F88B0D2A75F8FE231@creativesystemdesigns.com> Damn spell-checker...but who checks the spellchecker? ...Stuart. ;-) Graphic recognition software is getting better all the time. Some day soon I full expect Captcha protection to be a thing of the past...but for now it works well. On my site it reduced up to 20 spam mail message, a day, to none. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 2:25 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] Cross post - Password security That's "captcha" not "Caption". An acronym for"Completely Automated Public Turing test to tell Computers and Humans Apart" There are plenty of the cases of captchas being cracked. The battle between captcha designers and attackers is ongoing. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CAPTCHA -- Stuart On 11 Aug 2011 at 11:15, Jim Lawrence wrote: > On a website you can add a "password" that, as of yet can not be > cracked and which continually changes. In the following link, I have > used the Caption creator from Google to stop automated spammers: > > http://www.creativesystemdesigns.com/contact/contact.asp > > Jim > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda > Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 1:53 PM To: 'Off Topic' Cc: > 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] > [dba-OT] Cross post - Password security > > Too right, my account gets locked at work after 3 failed attempts, and > it does at every job I've had. Maybe it's websites - I've not seen > Facebook or Google lock accounts out, simply because of the complete > impossibility of you being able to phone up and ask for it to be > unlocked... > > > Jon > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-ot-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-ot-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Erbach > Sent: 10 August 2011 21:42 To: Off Topic Cc: Discussion of Hardware > and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-OT] Cross post - Password > security > > Jon, > > But this brings up another question: What kind of systems are hackers > breaking into that allow them BILLIONS of tries at the password? I > never understood that. > > Regards, > > Steve Erbach > Neenah, WI > > > On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 2:57 PM, Jon Tydda wrote: > > > Hi all > > > > Someon'e just posted this on my wall on facebook, and it looks > > really interesting, thought I'd share it. > > > > https://www.grc.com/haystack.htm > > > > > > Jon > > _______________________________________________ > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-OT mailing list > dba-OT at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-ot > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Gustav at cactus.dk Fri Aug 12 11:07:16 2011 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2011 18:07:16 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] A simple SAN solution for testing or those on a tight budget Message-ID: Hi Jim et al Well, simple is not the word, as the republished totally free edition of StarWind iSCSI SAN for Windows is limited only to run on one server, and the OS of this is not limited to Windows Server 2008 R2 64-bit but can be even a workstation: http://www.starwindsoftware.com/starwind-free /gustav >>> gustav at cactus.dk 17-04-2011 10:48 >>> Hi Jim et al A good intro and a useful FAQ can be found at Jose Barreto's Blog here: http://blogs.technet.com/b/josebda/archive/2011/04/04/microsoft-iscsi-software-target-3-3-for-windows-server-2008-r2-available-for-public-download.aspx The Microsoft iSCSI Software Target has been available for production use as part of Windows Storage Server since early 2007. .. However, until now, there was no way to use the Microsoft iSCSI Software Target in production on a regular server running Windows Server 2008 R2. .. the software is essentially the same software that ships with Windows Storage Server 2008 R2. Windows Storage Server 2008 R2 and the public download package will be refreshed (kept in sync) with any software fixes and updates. So, I would say, nothing "simple" about this free offer. /gustav >>> gustav at cactus.dk 16-04-2011 19:29 >>> Hi Jim This is great news! The third party solutions for Windows are either very expensive or very limited, and those for Linux and Solaris are ugly to administer for a Windows guy and a nightmare to install and - if not expensive - somewhat limited. Thanks for posting this! By the way, the comprehensive Technet documentation is here: http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/gg232606(WS.10).aspx /gustav >>> accessd at shaw.ca 15-04-2011 19:15 >>> Microsoft now has a free SAN type solution for us who need to test before we deploy and for small businesses on very limited budgets. See the following article: http://blogs.technet.com/b/canitpro/archive/2011/04/05/the-microsoft-iscsi-software-target-is-now-free.aspx ..and the all important download link with its quick product summary and installation tips. The only restriction is that you must have a Sever2008 R2 but if you have had access to a Technet subscription or that your company is part of computer support you already do. http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/en/details.aspx?FamilyID=45105d7f-8c6c-4666-a305-c8189062a0d0 Jim From Gustav at cactus.dk Mon Aug 15 11:02:31 2011 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 18:02:31 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] A simple SAN solution for testing or those on a tight budget Message-ID: Hi Jim et al Just found out that one limitation is left: It won't attach a physical drive. This means that any target created must use an img file placed somewhere on your physical drives. No big deal for many applications - it even may offer you a simple way to back up - but not good for storage for SQL Servers and the like where raw speed is desirable. /gustav >>> Gustav at cactus.dk 12-08-2011 18:07 >>> Hi Jim et al Well, simple is not the word, as the republished totally free edition of StarWind iSCSI SAN for Windows is limited only to run on one server, and the OS of this is not limited to Windows Server 2008 R2 64-bit but can be even a workstation: http://www.starwindsoftware.com/starwind-free /gustav >>> gustav at cactus.dk 17-04-2011 10:48 >>> Hi Jim et al A good intro and a useful FAQ can be found at Jose Barreto's Blog here: http://blogs.technet.com/b/josebda/archive/2011/04/04/microsoft-iscsi-software-target-3-3-for-windows-server-2008-r2-available-for-public-download.aspx The Microsoft iSCSI Software Target has been available for production use as part of Windows Storage Server since early 2007. .. However, until now, there was no way to use the Microsoft iSCSI Software Target in production on a regular server running Windows Server 2008 R2. .. the software is essentially the same software that ships with Windows Storage Server 2008 R2. Windows Storage Server 2008 R2 and the public download package will be refreshed (kept in sync) with any software fixes and updates. So, I would say, nothing "simple" about this free offer. /gustav >>> gustav at cactus.dk 16-04-2011 19:29 >>> Hi Jim This is great news! The third party solutions for Windows are either very expensive or very limited, and those for Linux and Solaris are ugly to administer for a Windows guy and a nightmare to install and - if not expensive - somewhat limited. Thanks for posting this! By the way, the comprehensive Technet documentation is here: http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/gg232606(WS.10).aspx /gustav >>> accessd at shaw.ca 15-04-2011 19:15 >>> Microsoft now has a free SAN type solution for us who need to test before we deploy and for small businesses on very limited budgets. See the following article: http://blogs.technet.com/b/canitpro/archive/2011/04/05/the-microsoft-iscsi-software-target-is-now-free.aspx ..and the all important download link with its quick product summary and installation tips. The only restriction is that you must have a Sever2008 R2 but if you have had access to a Technet subscription or that your company is part of computer support you already do. http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/en/details.aspx?FamilyID=45105d7f-8c6c-4666-a305-c8189062a0d0 Jim From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Aug 15 13:11:42 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 11:11:42 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] A simple SAN solution for testing or those on a tight budget In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1AB585153CB24E9982174FA6A079ADD1@creativesystemdesigns.com> Hi Gustav: This is all coming at an appropriate time. A fan shut down on one of my bigger servers and it fried three 500GB drives, the whole raid (in about two hours I think)...the backup drives as well. It has been a major loss of material...close to 50 ISOs downloaded from last years TechNet subscription and a lot of test systems, I have been playing with (Node.js so very fast...grrrr) In the meantime, a friend recommended a program, which monitors your hard drive (bay) temperatures: http://www.almico.com/speedfan.php I am still working on getting drivers for the raid monitoring but sure could have used it a few days ago. It will send you an email if something is exceeding event parameters you have set. For the price, it is excellent. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 9:03 AM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] A simple SAN solution for testing or those on a tight budget Hi Jim et al Just found out that one limitation is left: It won't attach a physical drive. This means that any target created must use an img file placed somewhere on your physical drives. No big deal for many applications - it even may offer you a simple way to back up - but not good for storage for SQL Servers and the like where raw speed is desirable. /gustav >>> Gustav at cactus.dk 12-08-2011 18:07 >>> Hi Jim et al Well, simple is not the word, as the republished totally free edition of StarWind iSCSI SAN for Windows is limited only to run on one server, and the OS of this is not limited to Windows Server 2008 R2 64-bit but can be even a workstation: http://www.starwindsoftware.com/starwind-free /gustav >>> gustav at cactus.dk 17-04-2011 10:48 >>> Hi Jim et al A good intro and a useful FAQ can be found at Jose Barreto's Blog here: http://blogs.technet.com/b/josebda/archive/2011/04/04/microsoft-iscsi-softwa re-target-3-3-for-windows-server-2008-r2-available-for-public-download.aspx The Microsoft iSCSI Software Target has been available for production use as part of Windows Storage Server since early 2007. .. However, until now, there was no way to use the Microsoft iSCSI Software Target in production on a regular server running Windows Server 2008 R2. .. the software is essentially the same software that ships with Windows Storage Server 2008 R2. Windows Storage Server 2008 R2 and the public download package will be refreshed (kept in sync) with any software fixes and updates. So, I would say, nothing "simple" about this free offer. /gustav >>> gustav at cactus.dk 16-04-2011 19:29 >>> Hi Jim This is great news! The third party solutions for Windows are either very expensive or very limited, and those for Linux and Solaris are ugly to administer for a Windows guy and a nightmare to install and - if not expensive - somewhat limited. Thanks for posting this! By the way, the comprehensive Technet documentation is here: http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/gg232606(WS.10).aspx /gustav >>> accessd at shaw.ca 15-04-2011 19:15 >>> Microsoft now has a free SAN type solution for us who need to test before we deploy and for small businesses on very limited budgets. See the following article: http://blogs.technet.com/b/canitpro/archive/2011/04/05/the-microsoft-iscsi-s oftware-target-is-now-free.aspx ..and the all important download link with its quick product summary and installation tips. The only restriction is that you must have a Sever2008 R2 but if you have had access to a Technet subscription or that your company is part of computer support you already do. http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/en/details.aspx?FamilyID=45105d7f-8c6c-46 66-a305-c8189062a0d0 Jim _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sat Aug 20 06:38:48 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 07:38:48 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Google := Gobble? Message-ID: Not that I necessarily have a problem with this, but it's a little like, what if Google makes enough money to buy Microsoft or Oracle or IBM? What would the world look like then? Frankly I have no idea, but if I were the strategist I would suggest Conde-Nast as the first acquisition, not to mention the fabulous chicks decorating the covers of its various mags, but rather that it has acquired both Rolling Stone and Wired, which in a few words is to say that we have all been compromised, and this is not good. A. From accessd at shaw.ca Sat Aug 20 07:36:26 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 05:36:26 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Google := Gobble? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1E601A1F5C5D4499AC9466D379D484B5@creativesystemdesigns.com> So what's the story Athur? Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2011 4:39 AM To: Peter Brawley; asanga at xplornet.com; Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Google := Gobble? Not that I necessarily have a problem with this, but it's a little like, what if Google makes enough money to buy Microsoft or Oracle or IBM? What would the world look like then? Frankly I have no idea, but if I were the strategist I would suggest Conde-Nast as the first acquisition, not to mention the fabulous chicks decorating the covers of its various mags, but rather that it has acquired both Rolling Stone and Wired, which in a few words is to say that we have all been compromised, and this is not good. A. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sat Aug 20 08:23:57 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 09:23:57 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Google := Gobble? In-Reply-To: <1E601A1F5C5D4499AC9466D379D484B5@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <1E601A1F5C5D4499AC9466D379D484B5@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: Google + was what I was referring to, and the likelihood that Linked In will be the first casualty. On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 8:36 AM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > So what's the story Athur? > > Jim > From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Sat Aug 20 09:10:26 2011 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 07:10:26 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Google := Gobble? In-Reply-To: References: <1E601A1F5C5D4499AC9466D379D484B5@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: I'm on linked in and get linked to more and more people but I can't figure out for the life of me why I'm there or what good it does. But that may just be my particular situation. I've talked to some other people who a 'linked' and they can't say what good it ever did. It's a neat concept but sort of a solution looking for a problem. Does anyone know someone who gets benefits from being linked in? R -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: August 20, 2011 6:24 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Google := Gobble? Google + was what I was referring to, and the likelihood that Linked In will be the first casualty. On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 8:36 AM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > So what's the story Athur? > > Jim > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From gustav at cactus.dk Sat Aug 20 09:26:27 2011 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 16:26:27 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Google := Gobble? Message-ID: Hi Rocky I would like to know that as well. Too busy to be bashed with even more adds. /gustav >>> rockysmolin at bchacc.com 20-08-2011 16:10 >>> I'm on linked in and get linked to more and more people but I can't figure out for the life of me why I'm there or what good it does. But that may just be my particular situation. I've talked to some other people who a 'linked' and they can't say what good it ever did. It's a neat concept but sort of a solution looking for a problem. Does anyone know someone who gets benefits from being linked in? R From ssharkins at gmail.com Sat Aug 20 09:28:43 2011 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 10:28:43 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Google := Gobble? References: <1E601A1F5C5D4499AC9466D379D484B5@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: None. The only even partial tickle I got was from an author I use to communicate with a bit. She has started her own publishing company and I thought I might get a bit of work from her, but turned out, she just wanted someone to review her books. Nice lady -- good idea for her, but I don't do that anymore, especially not for free. Susan H. > > Does anyone know someone who gets benefits from being linked in? > From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sat Aug 20 10:03:53 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 11:03:53 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Google := Gobble? In-Reply-To: References: <1E601A1F5C5D4499AC9466D379D484B5@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: The other thing I forgot to mention was Google's acquisition of Motorola. Arthur On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 10:28 AM, Susan Harkins wrote: > None. The only even partial tickle I got was from an author I use to > communicate with a bit. She has started her own publishing company and I > thought I might get a bit of work from her, but turned out, she just wanted > someone to review her books. Nice lady -- good idea for her, but I don't do > that anymore, especially not for free. > > Susan H. > > > > >> Does anyone know someone who gets benefits from being linked in? >> >> > From tinanfields at torchlake.com Sat Aug 20 10:07:47 2011 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 11:07:47 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Google := Gobble? In-Reply-To: References: <1E601A1F5C5D4499AC9466D379D484B5@creativesystemd esigns.com> Message-ID: <4E4FCDC3.6020203@torchlake.com> Rocky, I know my son-in-law gets benefit from it. He is a specialized head-hunter, a recruiter for high-tech, high-priced, positions - some contract, some permanent. He makes great use of the connections he has on LinkedIn. I have enjoyed the connections I've made. Haven't yet had a monetary professional benefit from being 'linked.' But, my university groups are on there and I certainly benefit from the interaction. T Tina Norris Fields tinanfields at torchlake.com 231-322-2787 On 8/20/2011 10:10 AM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > I'm on linked in and get linked to more and more people but I can't figure > out for the life of me why I'm there or what good it does. But that may just > be my particular situation. > > I've talked to some other people who a 'linked' and they can't say what good > it ever did. > > It's a neat concept but sort of a solution looking for a problem. > > Does anyone know someone who gets benefits from being linked in? > > R > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller > Sent: August 20, 2011 6:24 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Google := Gobble? > > Google + was what I was referring to, and the likelihood that Linked In will > be the first casualty. > > On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 8:36 AM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > >> So what's the story Athur? >> >> Jim >> > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From accessd at shaw.ca Sat Aug 20 21:24:13 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 19:24:13 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Google := Gobble? In-Reply-To: References: <1E601A1F5C5D4499AC9466D379D484B5@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <1728D3740D2C48DE869C590EF35EB1E2@creativesystemdesigns.com> Arthur: Apparently, Google grabbed Motorola for its patents...all the companies that can afford to these days are doing that. Even the Open Source market has been feeling the squeeze as even the code that has been specifically developed for the OS market is sometimes getting sucked into registered patents and so the battle begins. The good news is once outside the US patent envelope most of these patents and infringement claims are not deemed legal. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2011 8:04 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Google := Gobble? The other thing I forgot to mention was Google's acquisition of Motorola. Arthur On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 10:28 AM, Susan Harkins wrote: > None. The only even partial tickle I got was from an author I use to > communicate with a bit. She has started her own publishing company and I > thought I might get a bit of work from her, but turned out, she just wanted > someone to review her books. Nice lady -- good idea for her, but I don't do > that anymore, especially not for free. > > Susan H. > > > > >> Does anyone know someone who gets benefits from being linked in? >> >> > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sun Aug 21 06:58:58 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2011 07:58:58 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Dual boot Windows 7 and Linux Message-ID: I'm considering setting up my Windows 7 box to dual-boot, the other boot being LinuxMint 11. But last time I tried to do it, using Ubuntu, something seriously screwed up and I ended up having to re-install Windows 7, so I'm trepidatious to say the least. Does anyone have a successful Windows 7 dual-boot? The reason I want that setup is so that when running Linux, I can run the 64-bit version. I tried setting up LinuxMint as a 32-bit VM but something went haywire, hard to say what, since I have an Ubuntu VM that runs just fine. Weird. THX, Arthur From accessd at shaw.ca Sun Aug 21 10:13:34 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2011 08:13:34 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Dual boot Windows 7 and Linux In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Arthur: I have installed a number of dual boot Ubuntu Linux and Window7/Vista/XP boxes over the years. Started using all sorts of distros redhat/lime/vector/ubuntu etc...however, have finally settled on Ubuntu as infinitely reliable and full featured; 32 or 64-bit versions: http://www.ubuntu.com/download/ubuntu/download You have to install the MS OS first, leaving room for the Linux. Download the Ubuntu ISO 32/64 (I think it is at 11.04 right now) and burn it to CD (Side Note: remember 64 bit OS take twice the memory of 32 bit (the goes for all OS types and versions (Windows or Linux) so you should have 8GB of RAM) After the Windows version installation, boot the computer from the new Ubuntu Linux CD. (Side Note: Make sure your BIOS is set so it boots from the CD/DVD drive.) It will give you an option to run from CD or install. When you choose install it will note that there is already another OS on the Hard drive and will ask whether to overwrite or setup both and then it will ask how much of the drive to use for the Linux. After that, it is fairly simple with default questions for the install. At the end Linux will install a dual boot app called GRUB2, asking the appropriate questions. Here is a link to everything you wanted to know about GRUB2 and how to edit its scripts: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2?action=show&redirect=GRUB2 Hope this is what you need. (I just installed a 64bit server version of Ubuntu, with the desktop GUI, on Saturday and the clients should be real happy...all the Windows stations connected without issue...now I am going on holidays and will leave the local tech responsible). :-) HTH Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 4:59 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Dual boot Windows 7 and Linux I'm considering setting up my Windows 7 box to dual-boot, the other boot being LinuxMint 11. But last time I tried to do it, using Ubuntu, something seriously screwed up and I ended up having to re-install Windows 7, so I'm trepidatious to say the least. Does anyone have a successful Windows 7 dual-boot? The reason I want that setup is so that when running Linux, I can run the 64-bit version. I tried setting up LinuxMint as a 32-bit VM but something went haywire, hard to say what, since I have an Ubuntu VM that runs just fine. Weird. THX, Arthur _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From marklbreen at gmail.com Mon Aug 22 02:54:47 2011 From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen) Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2011 08:54:47 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Dual boot Windows 7 and Linux In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Arthur, I use Ubuntu sometimes and boot directly from my USB stick. It works well enough for me. I frightenend myself a few days ago when my big Win7 machine booted from the USB, what a shock to see Ubuntu where I expected to see my whole life :) Mark On 21 August 2011 12:58, Arthur Fuller wrote: > I'm considering setting up my Windows 7 box to dual-boot, the other boot > being LinuxMint 11. But last time I tried to do it, using Ubuntu, something > seriously screwed up and I ended up having to re-install Windows 7, so I'm > trepidatious to say the least. Does anyone have a successful Windows 7 > dual-boot? The reason I want that setup is so that when running Linux, I > can > run the 64-bit version. I tried setting up LinuxMint as a 32-bit VM but > something went haywire, hard to say what, since I have an Ubuntu VM that > runs just fine. Weird. > > THX, > Arthur > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From fuller.artful at gmail.com Mon Aug 22 10:18:54 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2011 11:18:54 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Dual boot Windows 7 and Linux In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I've read about setting up a USB as the Linux boot but never tried it yet. Assuming that you do this setup, how do you set up the file system so that it understands that part of the hard disk belongs to it? Alternatively, I guess I could spring for one of those 16GB USBs. That would be more than enough space for my needs. A. On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 3:54 AM, Mark Breen wrote: > Hi Arthur, > > I use Ubuntu sometimes and boot directly from my USB stick. It works well > enough for me. > > I frightenend myself a few days ago when my big Win7 machine booted from > the > USB, what a shock to see Ubuntu where I expected to see my whole life :) > > Mark > > From fuller.artful at gmail.com Mon Aug 22 17:01:10 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2011 18:01:10 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Force Word to stop auto-capitalization? Message-ID: I'm typing in some Bobby Fischer games in Word, and there are specific rules to modern chess notation, especially regarding capitalization. Is there any way to tell Word to leave me alone, I know what I'm doing? This is infuriating. In fact, If this continues much longer, I'll do the entries in NoteTab instead. Arggghhhhh. Arthur From jon at tydda.plus.com Mon Aug 22 17:14:18 2011 From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda) Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2011 23:14:18 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Force Word to stop auto-capitalization? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2D8B82AB64DF46759613B31703111C49@jt2c> You can just turn off Auto-replace? In Tools/Options Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: 22 August 2011 23:01 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Force Word to stop auto-capitalization? I'm typing in some Bobby Fischer games in Word, and there are specific rules to modern chess notation, especially regarding capitalization. Is there any way to tell Word to leave me alone, I know what I'm doing? This is infuriating. In fact, If this continues much longer, I'll do the entries in NoteTab instead. Arggghhhhh. Arthur _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Mon Aug 22 17:20:49 2011 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 08:20:49 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Force Word to stop auto-capitalization? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4E52D641.8853.EC1E05D@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> It's in Tools - Options - Autocorrect (or wherever they have hidden that in 2007/2010 ) There is a range of Capitalisation rules which you can set/unset. You can even create a list of exceptions for your chess notation strings ( the default installation has one entry - IDs ) so that you don't need to switch it on and off. -- Stuart On 22 Aug 2011 at 18:01, Arthur Fuller wrote: > I'm typing in some Bobby Fischer games in Word, and there are specific > rules to modern chess notation, especially regarding capitalization. > Is there any way to tell Word to leave me alone, I know what I'm > doing? This is infuriating. In fact, If this continues much longer, > I'll do the entries in NoteTab instead. Arggghhhhh. > > Arthur > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From fuller.artful at gmail.com Mon Aug 22 17:45:55 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2011 18:45:55 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Force Word to stop auto-capitalization? In-Reply-To: <4E52D641.8853.EC1E05D@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <4E52D641.8853.EC1E05D@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: Thanks to both of you. On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 6:20 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote: > It's in Tools - Options - Autocorrect (or wherever they have hidden that > in 2007/2010 ) > > There is a range of Capitalisation rules which you can set/unset. > > You can even create a list of exceptions for your chess notation strings ( > the default > installation has one entry - IDs ) so that you don't need to switch it on > and off. > > From marklbreen at gmail.com Thu Aug 25 10:18:00 2011 From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 16:18:00 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Dual boot Windows 7 and Linux In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Arthur, for playing with, even a 4GB is enough, probably much less is OK also, I did not check. to set it up all I did was download unbuntu to the stick and power on the pc, nice and easy Mark On 22 August 2011 16:18, Arthur Fuller wrote: > I've read about setting up a USB as the Linux boot but never tried it yet. > Assuming that you do this setup, how do you set up the file system so that > it understands that part of the hard disk belongs to it? Alternatively, I > guess I could spring for one of those 16GB USBs. That would be more than > enough space for my needs. > > A. > > On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 3:54 AM, Mark Breen wrote: > > > Hi Arthur, > > > > I use Ubuntu sometimes and boot directly from my USB stick. It works > well > > enough for me. > > > > I frightenend myself a few days ago when my big Win7 machine booted from > > the > > USB, what a shock to see Ubuntu where I expected to see my whole life :) > > > > Mark > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From fuller.artful at gmail.com Fri Aug 26 16:11:19 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 17:11:19 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Inside Out Message-ID: Having just completed what I expect will be my last project in Access, and having suffered quite enough of the MS architecture, I am seriously considering turning everything inside out. Currently I run Windows 7 as the base OS, and then Oracle VirtualBox atop that, and then Ubuntu as a VM within that. Inside out means, make Ubuntu the base OS, then run VirtualBox, and install Windows 7, Office etc. as a VM within that environment. IOW, I would live in Linux, and a VM or two would enable me to reach back into the Windows environment on those increasingly rare occasions when I would need to, i.e. fix a bug in the delivered app, and now and then do some SQL Server development and/or experiments. But mostly I want to sever my connections with MS; keep it around as a VM but move to Linux and take my chances there. As a semi-retired person, I think that I can get away with this umbilical-cord severance, but before I do something radical to my system, I want to ensure that I have all my bases covered. I have plenty of time on my hands, so re-installing every significant Windows program within a VM is not that big an issue. I'm thinking.... 1. Back up every significant data directory on the boot drive. 2. Boot from Ubuntu 64-bit and have it reformat the boot drive. 3. Set up all the Linux stuff I want (VirtualBox, RoR, SQLite, MySQL, Apache, etc.) 4. Create a couple of VMs that open Windows 7, with Office 2007 etc. installed). And purely for nostalgic reasons, try to install a DOS-emulation VM within VirtualBox so I can run some legacy stuff. I note that 1TB drives are dirt-cheap ($109) here in Toronto, so perhaps the safest play is to score one of those, back up everything to it, then reformat with impunity. I like the pirate-flavor of that, but after all these years I'm a cautious pirate, and firmly believe in Atilla's Rules of Order: if you're going to rape, pillage and burn, make sure you do it in that order. 0. Before embarking upon said voyage, the first thing I would need to do is walk through the Control Panel's list of installed programs and remove everything that I haven't used in months; trim the basic image to the minimal current requirements; image that, and then use that as the basic Windows VM footprint. Has anyone on this list tried to turn the cat inside out, as I am proposing to do? Have I left out anything of consequence? I can think of one thing not aforementioned: suppose that I don't want to commit to Ubuntu, but possibly leave the door open for her sexy neighbor LinuxMint, or even RedHat? Is it possible to create a multiboot Linux offering several flavours? I am willing to sacrifice an MS boot as native and go with VMs for Windows 7 et.al. To be sure I am most comfortable in an MS OS, but perhaps it's time that I grew up. Any advice from people who have traveled down this road would be most appreciated. TIA, Arthur From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Fri Aug 26 16:21:22 2011 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 14:21:22 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Inside Out In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9274DF0746A84E89BD24760B895CD6BE@HAL9007> What kinds of clients would you look for then? What kinds of apps to develop and what platform/language? Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: August 26, 2011 2:11 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Inside Out Having just completed what I expect will be my last project in Access, and having suffered quite enough of the MS architecture, I am seriously considering turning everything inside out. Currently I run Windows 7 as the base OS, and then Oracle VirtualBox atop that, and then Ubuntu as a VM within that. Inside out means, make Ubuntu the base OS, then run VirtualBox, and install Windows 7, Office etc. as a VM within that environment. IOW, I would live in Linux, and a VM or two would enable me to reach back into the Windows environment on those increasingly rare occasions when I would need to, i.e. fix a bug in the delivered app, and now and then do some SQL Server development and/or experiments. But mostly I want to sever my connections with MS; keep it around as a VM but move to Linux and take my chances there. As a semi-retired person, I think that I can get away with this umbilical-cord severance, but before I do something radical to my system, I want to ensure that I have all my bases covered. I have plenty of time on my hands, so re-installing every significant Windows program within a VM is not that big an issue. I'm thinking.... 1. Back up every significant data directory on the boot drive. 2. Boot from Ubuntu 64-bit and have it reformat the boot drive. 3. Set up all the Linux stuff I want (VirtualBox, RoR, SQLite, MySQL, Apache, etc.) 4. Create a couple of VMs that open Windows 7, with Office 2007 etc. installed). And purely for nostalgic reasons, try to install a DOS-emulation VM within VirtualBox so I can run some legacy stuff. I note that 1TB drives are dirt-cheap ($109) here in Toronto, so perhaps the safest play is to score one of those, back up everything to it, then reformat with impunity. I like the pirate-flavor of that, but after all these years I'm a cautious pirate, and firmly believe in Atilla's Rules of Order: if you're going to rape, pillage and burn, make sure you do it in that order. 0. Before embarking upon said voyage, the first thing I would need to do is walk through the Control Panel's list of installed programs and remove everything that I haven't used in months; trim the basic image to the minimal current requirements; image that, and then use that as the basic Windows VM footprint. Has anyone on this list tried to turn the cat inside out, as I am proposing to do? Have I left out anything of consequence? I can think of one thing not aforementioned: suppose that I don't want to commit to Ubuntu, but possibly leave the door open for her sexy neighbor LinuxMint, or even RedHat? Is it possible to create a multiboot Linux offering several flavours? I am willing to sacrifice an MS boot as native and go with VMs for Windows 7 et.al. To be sure I am most comfortable in an MS OS, but perhaps it's time that I grew up. Any advice from people who have traveled down this road would be most appreciated. TIA, Arthur _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Fri Aug 26 16:47:37 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 17:47:37 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Inside Out In-Reply-To: <9274DF0746A84E89BD24760B895CD6BE@HAL9007> References: <9274DF0746A84E89BD24760B895CD6BE@HAL9007> Message-ID: Sorry Rocky, but you missed the point. I am no longer in search of clients. Unfortunately, "I try to get out but they keep dragging me back in." (c.f. The Godfather). I do not want any new clients. In the immortal words of Greta Garbo, "I didn't say I want to be alone. I said I want to be left alone. There's a difference." And that's where I am currently at vis-a-vis app-development. I don't want any new clients. I will continue to service my existing client-base to the extent that they wish bug-fixes and enhancements, but after that, all I want to do is study the chess-games of Bobby Fischer, and learn more about several other things such as Genetic Algorithms, and to hell with YAFOES (yet another friendly order entry system). I'm done with all that. I want to spend my retirement years on interesting problems such as GAs. I'm done with writing practical solutions. I have enough to live on, and I don't give a fork whether company A or B or C lives or dies. I just want to play chess and backgammon, and hang around here because it's intellectually stimulating. The fact that I've completed my last client's last requests I deem liberating. Clients be damned! Now I can finally have fun programming! I've earned it. I'm never going to give up the habit/infatuation/addiction, but at last it's on my own terms, rather than some deadline imposed by some client. I'm far from wealthy, but have enough to get by; no fancy vacations in far-off countries, but I've already been to 32 countries at last count, so that's not much of an imposition. And now at last I get to decide what to think about, instead of being harnessed into some horse-collar mandated by some client. I don't mean to demean anyone still fighting in the trenches. All I mean to say is that I began the fight in 1983, even before DOS, and I'm a veteran who is at last ready to enjoy his pension. That doesn't mean that I'm taking the paddle out of the lake; quite the contrary: at last I get to choose the lake. Trust me on this: the lake ain't another order-entry system or any of its variants: been there, done that, got the t-shirt. Now I want Real challenges, and I shall cite a couple of examples: 1. Genetic algorithms: I have been fascinated by this discipline since its inception. 2. Teleological chess: I hate the Deep Blue brute-force paradign and remain convinced that there is a better way than Deep Blue. 3. Sudoku: already solved that problem; the most difficult Sudoku problem (by general consensus) takes my algorithm 1 minute to solve. The average problem in newspapers takes seconds. 4. GO: now that's a serious problem, and I've only begun. and have so far nothing much to show. 5. Musical dictionary: this is the problem that most fascinates me. This one is tough. Assume an input device such as a keyboard or an input-MIDI file etc. The problem is to discover whether its principal melody, second melody, harmonic themes etc. have been previously used. Ignore key and signature and transposition, and discover that Item A is a retrograde inverted transposition from key xxx to key yyyy, with xxx played on cello and yyy played on keyboard, and still detect it: that one is a bitchin' problem! These are some of the problems to which I shall devote my retirement years. I am fully cognizant that I won't make a dollar from any of their solutions, and I don't care, and that is the freedom of retirement! A. A. On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 5:21 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > What kinds of clients would you look for then? What kinds of apps to > develop and what platform/language? > > Rocky > > From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Fri Aug 26 18:17:23 2011 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 16:17:23 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Inside Out In-Reply-To: References: <9274DF0746A84E89BD24760B895CD6BE@HAL9007> Message-ID: <0FBC0CA869D94B20BA228F6E827C37A5@HAL9007> 1) are you still living on the island or are you back in Canada? 2) then for the problems you intend to tackle, will you use .Net or what? R -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: August 26, 2011 2:48 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Inside Out Sorry Rocky, but you missed the point. I am no longer in search of clients. Unfortunately, "I try to get out but they keep dragging me back in." (c.f. The Godfather). I do not want any new clients. In the immortal words of Greta Garbo, "I didn't say I want to be alone. I said I want to be left alone. There's a difference." And that's where I am currently at vis-a-vis app-development. I don't want any new clients. I will continue to service my existing client-base to the extent that they wish bug-fixes and enhancements, but after that, all I want to do is study the chess-games of Bobby Fischer, and learn more about several other things such as Genetic Algorithms, and to hell with YAFOES (yet another friendly order entry system). I'm done with all that. I want to spend my retirement years on interesting problems such as GAs. I'm done with writing practical solutions. I have enough to live on, and I don't give a fork whether company A or B or C lives or dies. I just want to play chess and backgammon, and hang around here because it's intellectually stimulating. The fact that I've completed my last client's last requests I deem liberating. Clients be damned! Now I can finally have fun programming! I've earned it. I'm never going to give up the habit/infatuation/addiction, but at last it's on my own terms, rather than some deadline imposed by some client. I'm far from wealthy, but have enough to get by; no fancy vacations in far-off countries, but I've already been to 32 countries at last count, so that's not much of an imposition. And now at last I get to decide what to think about, instead of being harnessed into some horse-collar mandated by some client. I don't mean to demean anyone still fighting in the trenches. All I mean to say is that I began the fight in 1983, even before DOS, and I'm a veteran who is at last ready to enjoy his pension. That doesn't mean that I'm taking the paddle out of the lake; quite the contrary: at last I get to choose the lake. Trust me on this: the lake ain't another order-entry system or any of its variants: been there, done that, got the t-shirt. Now I want Real challenges, and I shall cite a couple of examples: 1. Genetic algorithms: I have been fascinated by this discipline since its inception. 2. Teleological chess: I hate the Deep Blue brute-force paradign and remain convinced that there is a better way than Deep Blue. 3. Sudoku: already solved that problem; the most difficult Sudoku problem (by general consensus) takes my algorithm 1 minute to solve. The average problem in newspapers takes seconds. 4. GO: now that's a serious problem, and I've only begun. and have so far nothing much to show. 5. Musical dictionary: this is the problem that most fascinates me. This one is tough. Assume an input device such as a keyboard or an input-MIDI file etc. The problem is to discover whether its principal melody, second melody, harmonic themes etc. have been previously used. Ignore key and signature and transposition, and discover that Item A is a retrograde inverted transposition from key xxx to key yyyy, with xxx played on cello and yyy played on keyboard, and still detect it: that one is a bitchin' problem! These are some of the problems to which I shall devote my retirement years. I am fully cognizant that I won't make a dollar from any of their solutions, and I don't care, and that is the freedom of retirement! A. A. On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 5:21 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > What kinds of clients would you look for then? What kinds of apps to > develop and what platform/language? > > Rocky > > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sat Aug 27 02:33:42 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2011 03:33:42 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Inside Out In-Reply-To: <0FBC0CA869D94B20BA228F6E827C37A5@HAL9007> References: <9274DF0746A84E89BD24760B895CD6BE@HAL9007> <0FBC0CA869D94B20BA228F6E827C37A5@HAL9007> Message-ID: 1. I'm back in Canada. 2. Some .NET, some Python (for its exquisite string-manipulation stuff), and I'm fascinated by Ruby on Rails too. But after all these years, Access is in my blood, and will probably always be my first-gun when it comes to prototyping any given problem, just because I know it so well. And I'll always hang out on these lists, among cyber-friends. A. On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 7:17 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > 1) are you still living on the island or are you back in Canada? > 2) then for the problems you intend to tackle, will you use .Net or what? > > R > > From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Sat Aug 27 03:28:32 2011 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2011 18:28:32 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Inside Out In-Reply-To: References: , <0FBC0CA869D94B20BA228F6E827C37A5@HAL9007>, Message-ID: <4E58AAB0.15703.2587A2D8@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> It would be worthwhile to take a look at PowerBasic for the sorts of problems you are considering. -- Stuart On 27 Aug 2011 at 3:33, Arthur Fuller wrote: > 1. I'm back in Canada. > 2. Some .NET, some Python (for its exquisite string-manipulation > stuff), and I'm fascinated by Ruby on Rails too. > > But after all these years, Access is in my blood, and will probably > always be my first-gun when it comes to prototyping any given problem, > just because I know it so well. And I'll always hang out on these > lists, among cyber-friends. > > A. > > On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 7:17 PM, Rocky Smolin > wrote: > > > 1) are you still living on the island or are you back in Canada? 2) > > then for the problems you intend to tackle, will you use .Net or > > what? > > > > R > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Sat Aug 27 10:41:15 2011 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2011 08:41:15 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] W7 Search Message-ID: Dear List: Is there a way to show the whole path along with the file name using the W7 search function? A la the Search Everything utility. I'd stop using search everything except the W7 search doesn't show the path so when I see multiple occurrences of the same file name I don't know where they are. MTIA Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.bchacc.com www.e-z-mrp.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sat Aug 27 14:08:54 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2011 15:08:54 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: Jack Layton Message-ID: This week, a man died of cancer in Canada. His name was Jack Layton. He was Leader of the Opposition in parliament, head of the New Democratic Party, and a galvanizing force in Canadian politics and political life. About 30 years ago, when Jack was a City Councillor in Toronto, I wrote the first version of his campaign-management software, later to be shared with Olivia Chow, who would soon become his wife. In step with his successes, we went on to develop several subsequent versions. Each time the software got better, and I like to think that it played some small part in his success. Jack is the first person in Canadian history who is not a prime minister or cabinet minister to be given a state funeral. It's occurring as I write this. He has so many achievements that it's hard to know where to begin. He was the first to embrace gay rights, green city culture, he invented the White Ribbon HIV-AIDS campaign. campaigned for bicycle-culture (he rode his bicycle to work even in the dead of winter; I remember him saying that if you dress for it, you can bicycle even in Toronto winters). He was tri-lingual (he was born in Quebec and so learned English and French when he was young, and later on learned Cantonese from his wife Olivia Chow). He had several remarkable and unique characteristics, notable among them his open-door policy. I know this because I was frequently there working on his computer, adding reports etc. while people walked in and told him of their problems and complaints -- and he acted on them. In this week of his death, it is astonishing how many thousands of people are weeping openly at his loss. Even those who don't share his political views are weeping. One thing everyone of every political stripe can say is that Jack never argued ad hominem (against the man), but always stuck to the issues: poverty, homelessness, gay rights, green economics. Such was his measure that even the prime minister of Australia flew halfway around the world to attend Jack's funeral == not to mention thousands of Torontonians and others who came to pay their respects and honour a man. Rest in peace, Jack. You will be missed by Canadians of every political stripe. Arthur From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sun Aug 28 05:29:32 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2011 06:29:32 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] DOS in Sun VirtualBox? Message-ID: For purely nostalgic reasons, I'd like to create a DOS VM in Sun VirtualBox, but am unsure how to do it. Does anyone here use VirtualBox and if so, do you know how I could create a DOS VM within it? TIA, Arthur From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Sun Aug 28 06:02:02 2011 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2011 21:02:02 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] DOS in Sun VirtualBox? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4E5A202A.19128.2B3A893E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> No idea, but as an alternative, have you looked at DOSBox? http://www.dosbox.com/ DOSBox emulates an Intel x86 PC, complete with sound, graphics, mouse, joystick, modem, etc., necessary for running many old MS-DOS games that simply cannot be run on modern PCs and operating systems, such as Microsoft Windows XP, Windows Vista, Linux and FreeBSD. However, it is not restricted to running only games. In theory, any MS-DOS or PC-DOS (referred to commonly as "DOS") application should run in DOSBox, but the emphasis has been on getting DOS games to run smoothly, which means that communication, networking and printer support are still in early development. DOSBox also comes with its own DOS-like command prompt. It is still quite rudimentary and lacks many of the features found in MS-DOS, but it is sufficient for installing and running most DOS games. -- Stuart On 28 Aug 2011 at 6:29, Arthur Fuller wrote: > For purely nostalgic reasons, I'd like to create a DOS VM in Sun > VirtualBox, but am unsure how to do it. Does anyone here use > VirtualBox and if so, do you know how I could create a DOS VM within > it? > > TIA, > Arthur > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From accessd at shaw.ca Wed Aug 31 13:05:20 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2011 11:05:20 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: Jack Layton In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <992E4578BEFC4D68AD8C364489B197F5@creativesystemdesigns.com> A truly unbelievable loss... Even in Victoria, flags were hanging at half-mast. Only met him a few times; unbelievable energy, optimism and vision. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2011 12:09 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: Jack Layton This week, a man died of cancer in Canada. His name was Jack Layton. He was Leader of the Opposition in parliament, head of the New Democratic Party, and a galvanizing force in Canadian politics and political life. About 30 years ago, when Jack was a City Councillor in Toronto, I wrote the first version of his campaign-management software, later to be shared with Olivia Chow, who would soon become his wife. In step with his successes, we went on to develop several subsequent versions. Each time the software got better, and I like to think that it played some small part in his success. Jack is the first person in Canadian history who is not a prime minister or cabinet minister to be given a state funeral. It's occurring as I write this. He has so many achievements that it's hard to know where to begin. He was the first to embrace gay rights, green city culture, he invented the White Ribbon HIV-AIDS campaign. campaigned for bicycle-culture (he rode his bicycle to work even in the dead of winter; I remember him saying that if you dress for it, you can bicycle even in Toronto winters). He was tri-lingual (he was born in Quebec and so learned English and French when he was young, and later on learned Cantonese from his wife Olivia Chow). He had several remarkable and unique characteristics, notable among them his open-door policy. I know this because I was frequently there working on his computer, adding reports etc. while people walked in and told him of their problems and complaints -- and he acted on them. In this week of his death, it is astonishing how many thousands of people are weeping openly at his loss. Even those who don't share his political views are weeping. One thing everyone of every political stripe can say is that Jack never argued ad hominem (against the man), but always stuck to the issues: poverty, homelessness, gay rights, green economics. Such was his measure that even the prime minister of Australia flew halfway around the world to attend Jack's funeral == not to mention thousands of Torontonians and others who came to pay their respects and honour a man. Rest in peace, Jack. You will be missed by Canadians of every political stripe. Arthur _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Wed Aug 31 13:08:24 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2011 11:08:24 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] DOS in Sun VirtualBox? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I hope you like pictures...here is a simple DOS install. (6.22) ;-) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cY6-FbKcgmc Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2011 3:30 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] DOS in Sun VirtualBox? For purely nostalgic reasons, I'd like to create a DOS VM in Sun VirtualBox, but am unsure how to do it. Does anyone here use VirtualBox and if so, do you know how I could create a DOS VM within it? TIA, Arthur _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Fri Aug 5 12:58:16 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 10:58:16 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Adobe is tentatively moving to HTML5 In-Reply-To: <59D3F12A77604C908A4C7E1970E6FA40@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB08295492AF7CA3D@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk> <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB08295492B787C56@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk> <59D3F12A77604C908A4C7E1970E6FA40@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: It looks like Adobe, the staunch supporter and creator of Flash, has now tentatively embraced HTML5. For those interested you can download their (beta) version of their new applications call "Adobe Edge Preview" at http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/entitlement/index.cfm?e=labs_edge There is also a number of samples and documentation available. (Note: You may have to sign in but there is no charge or hidden installs.) Jim From john at winhaven.net Fri Aug 5 13:23:07 2011 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 13:23:07 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Adobe is tentatively moving to HTML5 In-Reply-To: References: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB08295492AF7CA3D@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk> <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB08295492B787C56@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk> <59D3F12A77604C908A4C7E1970E6FA40@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <003701cc539c$b97d4520$2c77cf60$@winhaven.net> Hi Jim, (Nit-picking: Adobe didn't create Flash, they bought it.) I was kind of surprised that they didn't integrate it directly into Flash's UI but I guess the hardcore Adobe staff probably took advantage of the situation to rid themselves of a lot of editorial comments such as: "Macromedia made it but they just bought it and they've just modified it to look like an Adobe product". ;o) John B -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 12:58 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Adobe is tentatively moving to HTML5 It looks like Adobe, the staunch supporter and creator of Flash, has now tentatively embraced HTML5. For those interested you can download their (beta) version of their new applications call "Adobe Edge Preview" at http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/entitlement/index.cfm?e=labs_edge There is also a number of samples and documentation available. (Note: You may have to sign in but there is no charge or hidden installs.) Jim _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Fri Aug 5 17:33:43 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 15:33:43 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Adobe is tentatively moving to HTML5 In-Reply-To: <003701cc539c$b97d4520$2c77cf60$@winhaven.net> References: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB08295492AF7CA3D@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk> <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB08295492B787C56@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk> <59D3F12A77604C908A4C7E1970E6FA40@creativesystemdesigns.com> <003701cc539c$b97d4520$2c77cf60$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: <5146FADB914C4F34A11DDF6D540C3231@creativesystemdesigns.com> Oh yes, Macromedia. I was kind of disappointed when Macromedia was absorbed. That made only one graphic source, one monopoly. There are still a few bit players (Corell is still around?) but no serious competition. I guess keeping up with deploying the latest Flash client to every station and laptop has become a bit of an issue and Apples refusal to use it has made Flash a suspected product...Besides flash sites are not web searchable. So in summary it is good to see Adobe get on the program. Now if we can just get MS to stay on the wagon and not try to make preemptive changes to HTML5, life for web developers will be good. ;-) Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 11:23 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Adobe is tentatively moving to HTML5 Hi Jim, (Nit-picking: Adobe didn't create Flash, they bought it.) I was kind of surprised that they didn't integrate it directly into Flash's UI but I guess the hardcore Adobe staff probably took advantage of the situation to rid themselves of a lot of editorial comments such as: "Macromedia made it but they just bought it and they've just modified it to look like an Adobe product". ;o) John B -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 12:58 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Adobe is tentatively moving to HTML5 It looks like Adobe, the staunch supporter and creator of Flash, has now tentatively embraced HTML5. For those interested you can download their (beta) version of their new applications call "Adobe Edge Preview" at http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/entitlement/index.cfm?e=labs_edge There is also a number of samples and documentation available. (Note: You may have to sign in but there is no charge or hidden installs.) Jim _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From john at winhaven.net Fri Aug 5 18:20:30 2011 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 18:20:30 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Adobe is tentatively moving to HTML5 In-Reply-To: <5146FADB914C4F34A11DDF6D540C3231@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB08295492AF7CA3D@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk> <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB08295492B787C56@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk> <59D3F12A77604C908A4C7E1970E6FA40@creativesystemdesigns.com> <003701cc539c$b97d4520$2c77cf60$@winhaven.net> <5146FADB914C4F34A11DDF6D540C3231@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <008301cc53c6$44c62c90$ce5285b0$@winhaven.net> agreed -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 5:34 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Adobe is tentatively moving to HTML5 Oh yes, Macromedia. I was kind of disappointed when Macromedia was absorbed. That made only one graphic source, one monopoly. There are still a few bit players (Corell is still around?) but no serious competition. I guess keeping up with deploying the latest Flash client to every station and laptop has become a bit of an issue and Apples refusal to use it has made Flash a suspected product...Besides flash sites are not web searchable. So in summary it is good to see Adobe get on the program. Now if we can just get MS to stay on the wagon and not try to make preemptive changes to HTML5, life for web developers will be good. ;-) Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 11:23 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Adobe is tentatively moving to HTML5 Hi Jim, (Nit-picking: Adobe didn't create Flash, they bought it.) I was kind of surprised that they didn't integrate it directly into Flash's UI but I guess the hardcore Adobe staff probably took advantage of the situation to rid themselves of a lot of editorial comments such as: "Macromedia made it but they just bought it and they've just modified it to look like an Adobe product". ;o) John B -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 12:58 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Adobe is tentatively moving to HTML5 It looks like Adobe, the staunch supporter and creator of Flash, has now tentatively embraced HTML5. For those interested you can download their (beta) version of their new applications call "Adobe Edge Preview" at http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/entitlement/index.cfm?e=labs_edge There is also a number of samples and documentation available. (Note: You may have to sign in but there is no charge or hidden installs.) Jim _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Tue Aug 9 11:13:34 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2011 09:13:34 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] The cutting edge with Adobe Edge In-Reply-To: References: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB08295492AF7CA3D@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk> <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB08295492B787C56@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk> <59D3F12A77604C908A4C7E1970E6FA40@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <5FF836CAA682450985C04194D476D28C@creativesystemdesigns.com> This product looks like Adobe's replacement for it Flash. Flash's greatness was its richness of graphics and its wonderful programming interface. It problem, like the new Silverlight, was that it is a closed source product and an additional plug-in that has to be on every client computer to work. That just was never going to happen. It final demise may have nothing to do with its nature but that its content is unsearchable on the web. That relegates Flash and Silverlight products to little more the website candy and little more. Adobe for its part has made incredible efforts to make sure that Flash works in every browser and platform and updates are always current but it has been seeing a slow erosion of its use as developers need a universal open product which runs on all browsers straight out of the box. Enter HTML5 and CSS3 which all the major browser designers have been adopting. Microsoft is still a bit of a hold out as it has invested huge amounts in Silverlight and they still believe, at times, that they still control 90 percent of the browser market. They have been watching a 1 percent drop in IE's use per month for the last 5 years and now they have been forced to comply with an open standard of which they have no control and therefore see no profit. They will of course, eventually, embrace the inevitable. Adobe is now giving away a beta product called Edge, a HTML5 editor specializing in simplifying the development of Flash like graphics using HTML5. Here is a post by an early adopter: http://net.tutsplus.com/articles/on-the-cutting-edge-with-adobes-edge/ Jim From jon at tydda.plus.com Wed Aug 10 14:57:04 2011 From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2011 20:57:04 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Cross post - Password security Message-ID: <3F17CF03C6FB45C7BC7156CF87D8B7D5@jt2c> Hi all Someon'e just posted this on my wall on facebook, and it looks really interesting, thought I'd share it. https://www.grc.com/haystack.htm Jon From peter.brawley at earthlink.net Wed Aug 10 14:59:46 2011 From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2011 14:59:46 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Cross post - Password security In-Reply-To: <3F17CF03C6FB45C7BC7156CF87D8B7D5@jt2c> References: <3F17CF03C6FB45C7BC7156CF87D8B7D5@jt2c> Message-ID: <4E42E332.8000102@earthlink.net> If you wanted to collect a lot of passwords for hacking, that'd be a terrific way to start. PB On 8/10/2011 2:57 PM, Jon Tydda wrote: > Hi all > > Someon'e just posted this on my wall on facebook, and it looks really > interesting, thought I'd share it. > > https://www.grc.com/haystack.htm > > > Jon > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From jon at tydda.plus.com Wed Aug 10 15:16:36 2011 From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2011 21:16:36 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Cross post - Password security In-Reply-To: <4E42E332.8000102@earthlink.net> References: <3F17CF03C6FB45C7BC7156CF87D8B7D5@jt2c> <4E42E332.8000102@earthlink.net> Message-ID: SUCH a cynic! But yeah, that's why I didn't use my actual password when I tried it, just something similar... :-) Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Peter Brawley Sent: 10 August 2011 21:00 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Cross post - Password security If you wanted to collect a lot of passwords for hacking, that'd be a terrific way to start. PB On 8/10/2011 2:57 PM, Jon Tydda wrote: > Hi all > > Someon'e just posted this on my wall on facebook, and it looks really > interesting, thought I'd share it. > > https://www.grc.com/haystack.htm > > > Jon > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Wed Aug 10 15:38:57 2011 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2011 06:38:57 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] Cross post - Password security In-Reply-To: <3F17CF03C6FB45C7BC7156CF87D8B7D5@jt2c> References: <3F17CF03C6FB45C7BC7156CF87D8B7D5@jt2c> Message-ID: <4E42EC61.24049.27830CC@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Excellent advice there. How to make a strong easily remembered password. On 10 Aug 2011 at 20:57, Jon Tydda wrote: > Hi all > > Someon'e just posted this on my wall on facebook, and it looks really > interesting, thought I'd share it. > > https://www.grc.com/haystack.htm > > > Jon > _______________________________________________ > dba-OT mailing list > dba-OT at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-ot > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From peter.brawley at earthlink.net Wed Aug 10 15:39:53 2011 From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2011 15:39:53 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Cross post - Password security In-Reply-To: References: <3F17CF03C6FB45C7BC7156CF87D8B7D5@jt2c> <4E42E332.8000102@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4E42EC99.1040802@earthlink.net> On 8/10/2011 3:16 PM, Jon Tydda wrote: > SUCH a cynic! Heh, a scaredy-cat actually :-) It's an excellent idea for an app one could run without 'net connectivity. Any chance it's open source? PB ----- > > But yeah, that's why I didn't use my actual password when I tried it, just > something similar... :-) > > > Jon > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Peter Brawley > Sent: 10 August 2011 21:00 > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Cross post - Password security > > If you wanted to collect a lot of passwords for hacking, that'd be a > terrific way to start. > > PB > > On 8/10/2011 2:57 PM, Jon Tydda wrote: >> Hi all >> >> Someon'e just posted this on my wall on facebook, and it looks really >> interesting, thought I'd share it. >> >> https://www.grc.com/haystack.htm >> >> >> Jon >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Wed Aug 10 15:49:28 2011 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2011 06:49:28 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Cross post - Password security In-Reply-To: <4E42EC99.1040802@earthlink.net> References: <3F17CF03C6FB45C7BC7156CF87D8B7D5@jt2c>, , <4E42EC99.1040802@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4E42EED8.587.281D1CC@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Hardly need the source. You could knock the same thing up in a few lines of code in your language of choice. I figure about 10 minutes to do it in PB or VBA. -- Stuart On 10 Aug 2011 at 15:39, Peter Brawley wrote: > On 8/10/2011 3:16 PM, Jon Tydda wrote: > > SUCH a cynic! > Heh, a scaredy-cat actually :-) > > It's an excellent idea for an app one could run without 'net > connectivity. Any chance it's open source? > > PB > > ----- > > > > > But yeah, that's why I didn't use my actual password when I tried > > it, just something similar... :-) > > > > > > Jon > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Peter > > Brawley Sent: 10 August 2011 21:00 To: Discussion of Hardware and > > Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Cross post - Password > > security > > > > If you wanted to collect a lot of passwords for hacking, that'd be a > > terrific way to start. > > > > PB > > > > On 8/10/2011 2:57 PM, Jon Tydda wrote: > >> Hi all > >> > >> Someon'e just posted this on my wall on facebook, and it looks > >> really interesting, thought I'd share it. > >> > >> https://www.grc.com/haystack.htm > >> > >> > >> Jon > >> _______________________________________________ > >> dba-Tech mailing list > >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From jon at tydda.plus.com Wed Aug 10 15:52:50 2011 From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2011 21:52:50 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] Cross post - Password security In-Reply-To: References: <3F17CF03C6FB45C7BC7156CF87D8B7D5@jt2c> Message-ID: <7147E97A172D4D45846F9A76764545AE@jt2c> Too right, my account gets locked at work after 3 failed attempts, and it does at every job I've had. Maybe it's websites - I've not seen Facebook or Google lock accounts out, simply because of the complete impossibility of you being able to phone up and ask for it to be unlocked... Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-ot-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-ot-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Erbach Sent: 10 August 2011 21:42 To: Off Topic Cc: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-OT] Cross post - Password security Jon, But this brings up another question: What kind of systems are hackers breaking into that allow them BILLIONS of tries at the password? I never understood that. Regards, Steve Erbach Neenah, WI On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 2:57 PM, Jon Tydda wrote: > Hi all > > Someon'e just posted this on my wall on facebook, and it looks really > interesting, thought I'd share it. > > https://www.grc.com/haystack.htm > > > Jon > _______________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ dba-OT mailing list dba-OT at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-ot Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Wed Aug 10 16:23:33 2011 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2011 07:23:33 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Cross post - Password security In-Reply-To: <3F17CF03C6FB45C7BC7156CF87D8B7D5@jt2c> References: <3F17CF03C6FB45C7BC7156CF87D8B7D5@jt2c> Message-ID: <4E42F6D5.1953.2A1052B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Talk about co-incidence. Today's xkcd: http://xkcd.com/936/ -- Stuart On 10 Aug 2011 at 20:57, Jon Tydda wrote: > Hi all > > Someon'e just posted this on my wall on facebook, and it looks really > interesting, thought I'd share it. > > https://www.grc.com/haystack.htm > > > Jon > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From jon at tydda.plus.com Wed Aug 10 16:37:09 2011 From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2011 22:37:09 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] Cross post - Password security In-Reply-To: <4E42F6D5.1953.2A1052B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <3F17CF03C6FB45C7BC7156CF87D8B7D5@jt2c> <4E42F6D5.1953.2A1052B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <6BCA4790779A4DD892FFD43AC5EC7483@jt2c> That's what I posted on my wall that the GRC one was a reply to :-) Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-ot-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-ot-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: 10 August 2011 22:24 To: 'Off Topic'; 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-OT] [dba-Tech] Cross post - Password security Talk about co-incidence. Today's xkcd: http://xkcd.com/936/ -- Stuart On 10 Aug 2011 at 20:57, Jon Tydda wrote: > Hi all > > Someon'e just posted this on my wall on facebook, and it looks really > interesting, thought I'd share it. > > https://www.grc.com/haystack.htm > > > Jon > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-OT mailing list dba-OT at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-ot Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Wed Aug 10 17:27:16 2011 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2011 08:27:16 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] Cross post - Password security In-Reply-To: <6BCA4790779A4DD892FFD43AC5EC7483@jt2c> References: <3F17CF03C6FB45C7BC7156CF87D8B7D5@jt2c>, <4E42F6D5.1953.2A1052B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>, <6BCA4790779A4DD892FFD43AC5EC7483@jt2c> Message-ID: <4E4305C4.18835.2DB5D5A@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> An interesting difference of opinion between the two. I go along with xkcd "aA4!aaaa" is no more secure that "aaaaaaaa" as long as there is the *potential* for the password to contain uppercase,digits and special characters. -- Stuart On 10 Aug 2011 at 22:37, Jon Tydda wrote: > That's what I posted on my wall that the GRC one was a reply to :-) > > > Jon > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-ot-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-ot-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart > McLachlan Sent: 10 August 2011 22:24 To: 'Off Topic'; 'Discussion of > Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-OT] [dba-Tech] Cross > post - Password security > > Talk about co-incidence. Today's xkcd: > > http://xkcd.com/936/ > > > > -- > Stuart > > On 10 Aug 2011 at 20:57, Jon Tydda wrote: > > > Hi all > > > > Someon'e just posted this on my wall on facebook, and it looks > > really interesting, thought I'd share it. > > > > https://www.grc.com/haystack.htm > > > > > > Jon > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-OT mailing list > dba-OT at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-ot > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From accessd at shaw.ca Thu Aug 11 09:06:22 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2011 07:06:22 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Cross post - Password security In-Reply-To: <4E42F6D5.1953.2A1052B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <3F17CF03C6FB45C7BC7156CF87D8B7D5@jt2c> <4E42F6D5.1953.2A1052B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <9EB5F17617EF4343981FCA4B1CB25FC6@creativesystemdesigns.com> Here is a comment for a very good systems guy on that level and type of password: "Yep. I saw that. Unfortunately, it is flawed. Reason being that the average person only has a small vocabulary and therefore this does not increase the entropy as much as suggested. In fact, a four word password could easily be cracked within a few days with current CPU/GPU technology. It's a nice idea though, which does lead to decent password strength if you tweak the idea a bit with something like putting x many underscores in front of the password and something like that. A bit like salting your hash function." Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 2:24 PM To: 'Off Topic'; 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Cross post - Password security Talk about co-incidence. Today's xkcd: http://xkcd.com/936/ -- Stuart On 10 Aug 2011 at 20:57, Jon Tydda wrote: > Hi all > > Someon'e just posted this on my wall on facebook, and it looks really > interesting, thought I'd share it. > > https://www.grc.com/haystack.htm > > > Jon > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Thu Aug 11 09:32:14 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2011 07:32:14 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] Cross post - Password security In-Reply-To: <4E4305C4.18835.2DB5D5A@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <3F17CF03C6FB45C7BC7156CF87D8B7D5@jt2c> <4E42F6D5.1953.2A1052B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <6BCA4790779A4DD892FFD43AC5EC7483@jt2c> <4E4305C4.18835.2DB5D5A@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <55F53F3F167C44CAB3E036D8291571C8@creativesystemdesigns.com> Here is some info on Rainbow tables which are used in the algorithms in crack password hashes: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rainbow_table This method can crack a 12 character Access password in about 3 seconds using a standard desktop. After that resources and processing requirements starts going up exponentially. A 20 character password is supposed to be virtually uncrackable. If you are managing your own passwords or login: "Defense against rainbow tables A rainbow table is ineffective against one-way hashes that include salts. For example, consider a password hash that is generated using the following function (where "." is the concatenation operator): saltedhash(password) = hash(password.salt) Or saltedhash(password) = hash(hash(password).salt) The salt value is not secret and may be generated at random and stored with the password hash. A large salt value prevents precomputation attacks, including rainbow tables, by ensuring that each user's password is hashed uniquely. This means that two users with the same password will have different password hashes (assuming different salts are used). " If you want to play with Rainbow tables check the following out: http://www.freerainbowtables.com/ ...and here is the best 'free' demo for hacking against your old XP and Vista/Windows7 box: http://ophcrack.sourceforge.net/tables.php Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 3:27 PM To: 'Off Topic'; 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] Cross post - Password security An interesting difference of opinion between the two. I go along with xkcd "aA4!aaaa" is no more secure that "aaaaaaaa" as long as there is the *potential* for the password to contain uppercase,digits and special characters. -- Stuart On 10 Aug 2011 at 22:37, Jon Tydda wrote: > That's what I posted on my wall that the GRC one was a reply to :-) > > > Jon > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-ot-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-ot-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart > McLachlan Sent: 10 August 2011 22:24 To: 'Off Topic'; 'Discussion of > Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-OT] [dba-Tech] Cross > post - Password security > > Talk about co-incidence. Today's xkcd: > > http://xkcd.com/936/ > > > > -- > Stuart > > On 10 Aug 2011 at 20:57, Jon Tydda wrote: > > > Hi all > > > > Someon'e just posted this on my wall on facebook, and it looks > > really interesting, thought I'd share it. > > > > https://www.grc.com/haystack.htm > > > > > > Jon > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-OT mailing list > dba-OT at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-ot > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From john at winhaven.net Thu Aug 11 09:50:12 2011 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2011 09:50:12 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Cross post - Password security In-Reply-To: <9EB5F17617EF4343981FCA4B1CB25FC6@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <3F17CF03C6FB45C7BC7156CF87D8B7D5@jt2c> <4E42F6D5.1953.2A1052B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <9EB5F17617EF4343981FCA4B1CB25FC6@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <003301cc5835$f9510810$ebf31830$@winhaven.net> Hi Jim, Given that, what would he recommend for password discipline? I've personally gone to 16 characters or more auto generated, random passwords using all characters allowed by a site. I honestly don't know too many passwords anymore. Pretty much just the one to open my password manager. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 9:06 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Cross post - Password security Here is a comment for a very good systems guy on that level and type of password: "Yep. I saw that. Unfortunately, it is flawed. Reason being that the average person only has a small vocabulary and therefore this does not increase the entropy as much as suggested. In fact, a four word password could easily be cracked within a few days with current CPU/GPU technology. It's a nice idea though, which does lead to decent password strength if you tweak the idea a bit with something like putting x many underscores in front of the password and something like that. A bit like salting your hash function." Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 2:24 PM To: 'Off Topic'; 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Cross post - Password security Talk about co-incidence. Today's xkcd: http://xkcd.com/936/ -- Stuart On 10 Aug 2011 at 20:57, Jon Tydda wrote: > Hi all > > Someon'e just posted this on my wall on facebook, and it looks really > interesting, thought I'd share it. > > https://www.grc.com/haystack.htm > > > Jon > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Thu Aug 11 10:29:29 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2011 08:29:29 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Cross post - Password security In-Reply-To: <003301cc5835$f9510810$ebf31830$@winhaven.net> References: <3F17CF03C6FB45C7BC7156CF87D8B7D5@jt2c> <4E42F6D5.1953.2A1052B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <9EB5F17617EF4343981FCA4B1CB25FC6@creativesystemdesigns.com> <003301cc5835$f9510810$ebf31830$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: <332B993D45BF4757800BB7C9992314C2@creativesystemdesigns.com> I tend to like increasing the size of a password as that eliminates just about all hacking. Throw in a few mixed case, numbers and special characters and you have it sewed up. I do not tend to go with a random character generated value as the chances of me or anyone else remembering it is highly unlikely. This just makes the user write the passwords down and stores them near their station...under the keyboard is a standard practice. >From the other post, when it comes to SQL logins, I like to make the password close to uncrackable and this can be done by salting the password. When the person logs in through Access the password is good but not super but when the system locks them on to the SQL server it adds up the password. This makes it so no person, other than via the Access application can get access to the data. Access password: George_ Fennimore at 38 Salt: Hi all > > Someon'e just posted this on my wall on facebook, and it looks really > interesting, thought I'd share it. > > https://www.grc.com/haystack.htm > > > Jon > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Thu Aug 11 13:15:01 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2011 11:15:01 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] Cross post - Password security In-Reply-To: <7147E97A172D4D45846F9A76764545AE@jt2c> References: <3F17CF03C6FB45C7BC7156CF87D8B7D5@jt2c> <7147E97A172D4D45846F9A76764545AE@jt2c> Message-ID: On a website you can add a "password" that, as of yet can not be cracked and which continually changes. In the following link, I have used the Caption creator from Google to stop automated spammers: http://www.creativesystemdesigns.com/contact/contact.asp Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 1:53 PM To: 'Off Topic' Cc: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] Cross post - Password security Too right, my account gets locked at work after 3 failed attempts, and it does at every job I've had. Maybe it's websites - I've not seen Facebook or Google lock accounts out, simply because of the complete impossibility of you being able to phone up and ask for it to be unlocked... Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-ot-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-ot-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Erbach Sent: 10 August 2011 21:42 To: Off Topic Cc: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-OT] Cross post - Password security Jon, But this brings up another question: What kind of systems are hackers breaking into that allow them BILLIONS of tries at the password? I never understood that. Regards, Steve Erbach Neenah, WI On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 2:57 PM, Jon Tydda wrote: > Hi all > > Someon'e just posted this on my wall on facebook, and it looks really > interesting, thought I'd share it. > > https://www.grc.com/haystack.htm > > > Jon > _______________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ dba-OT mailing list dba-OT at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-ot Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Thu Aug 11 16:08:03 2011 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2011 07:08:03 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Cross post - Password security In-Reply-To: <9EB5F17617EF4343981FCA4B1CB25FC6@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <3F17CF03C6FB45C7BC7156CF87D8B7D5@jt2c>, <4E42F6D5.1953.2A1052B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>, <9EB5F17617EF4343981FCA4B1CB25FC6@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <4E4444B3.25461.7B939AE@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Your systems guy has missed the point. It is only easily cracked if the password rules are "must be four english words" and the attacker knows that fact. If the rules are "use any mixture of upper and lower case, digits and special characters" then your private choice to concatenate several words makes it easier to remember without making it easier to crack. In that situation, ManBearPig or manbearpig is just as secure as M*aBbbbP11. -- Stuart On 11 Aug 2011 at 7:06, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Here is a comment for a very good systems guy on that level and type > of password: > > "Yep. I saw that. Unfortunately, it is flawed. Reason being that the > average person only has a small vocabulary and therefore this does not > increase the entropy as much as suggested. In fact, a four word > password could easily be cracked within a few days with current > CPU/GPU technology. It's a nice idea though, which does lead to decent > password strength if you tweak the idea a bit with something like > putting x many underscores in front of the password and something like > that. A bit like salting your hash function." > > Jim > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart > McLachlan Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 2:24 PM To: 'Off Topic'; > 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] > Cross post - Password security > > Talk about co-incidence. Today's xkcd: > > http://xkcd.com/936/ > > > > -- > Stuart > > On 10 Aug 2011 at 20:57, Jon Tydda wrote: > > > Hi all > > > > Someon'e just posted this on my wall on facebook, and it looks > > really interesting, thought I'd share it. > > > > https://www.grc.com/haystack.htm > > > > > > Jon > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From df.waters at comcast.net Thu Aug 11 16:12:28 2011 From: df.waters at comcast.net (Dan Waters) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2011 16:12:28 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Cross post - Password security In-Reply-To: <4E4444B3.25461.7B939AE@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <3F17CF03C6FB45C7BC7156CF87D8B7D5@jt2c>, <4E42F6D5.1953.2A1052B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>, <9EB5F17617EF4343981FCA4B1CB25FC6@creativesystemdesigns.com> <4E4444B3.25461.7B939AE@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <006a01cc586b$613dd950$23b98bf0$@comcast.net> I could easily 1heart.xkcd2, or 'I Love XKCD Too'. Just an example of slight tweaking to a personal phrase that would increase the time to crack. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 4:08 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Cross post - Password security Your systems guy has missed the point. It is only easily cracked if the password rules are "must be four english words" and the attacker knows that fact. If the rules are "use any mixture of upper and lower case, digits and special characters" then your private choice to concatenate several words makes it easier to remember without making it easier to crack. In that situation, ManBearPig or manbearpig is just as secure as M*aBbbbP11. -- Stuart On 11 Aug 2011 at 7:06, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Here is a comment for a very good systems guy on that level and type > of password: > > "Yep. I saw that. Unfortunately, it is flawed. Reason being that the > average person only has a small vocabulary and therefore this does not > increase the entropy as much as suggested. In fact, a four word > password could easily be cracked within a few days with current > CPU/GPU technology. It's a nice idea though, which does lead to decent > password strength if you tweak the idea a bit with something like > putting x many underscores in front of the password and something like > that. A bit like salting your hash function." > > Jim > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart > McLachlan Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 2:24 PM To: 'Off Topic'; > 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] > Cross post - Password security > > Talk about co-incidence. Today's xkcd: > > http://xkcd.com/936/ > > > > -- > Stuart > > On 10 Aug 2011 at 20:57, Jon Tydda wrote: > > > Hi all > > > > Someon'e just posted this on my wall on facebook, and it looks > > really interesting, thought I'd share it. > > > > https://www.grc.com/haystack.htm > > > > > > Jon > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Thu Aug 11 16:25:13 2011 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2011 07:25:13 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] Cross post - Password security In-Reply-To: References: <3F17CF03C6FB45C7BC7156CF87D8B7D5@jt2c>, <7147E97A172D4D45846F9A76764545AE@jt2c>, Message-ID: <4E4448B9.32545.7C8F10B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> That's "captcha" not "Caption". An acronym for"Completely Automated Public Turing test to tell Computers and Humans Apart" There are plenty of the cases of captchas being cracked. The battle between captcha designers and attackers is ongoing. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CAPTCHA -- Stuart On 11 Aug 2011 at 11:15, Jim Lawrence wrote: > On a website you can add a "password" that, as of yet can not be > cracked and which continually changes. In the following link, I have > used the Caption creator from Google to stop automated spammers: > > http://www.creativesystemdesigns.com/contact/contact.asp > > Jim > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda > Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 1:53 PM To: 'Off Topic' Cc: > 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] > [dba-OT] Cross post - Password security > > Too right, my account gets locked at work after 3 failed attempts, and > it does at every job I've had. Maybe it's websites - I've not seen > Facebook or Google lock accounts out, simply because of the complete > impossibility of you being able to phone up and ask for it to be > unlocked... > > > Jon > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-ot-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-ot-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Erbach > Sent: 10 August 2011 21:42 To: Off Topic Cc: Discussion of Hardware > and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-OT] Cross post - Password > security > > Jon, > > But this brings up another question: What kind of systems are hackers > breaking into that allow them BILLIONS of tries at the password? I > never understood that. > > Regards, > > Steve Erbach > Neenah, WI > > > On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 2:57 PM, Jon Tydda wrote: > > > Hi all > > > > Someon'e just posted this on my wall on facebook, and it looks > > really interesting, thought I'd share it. > > > > https://www.grc.com/haystack.htm > > > > > > Jon > > _______________________________________________ > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-OT mailing list > dba-OT at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-ot > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From accessd at shaw.ca Thu Aug 11 19:20:33 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2011 17:20:33 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] Cross post - Password security In-Reply-To: <4E4448B9.32545.7C8F10B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <3F17CF03C6FB45C7BC7156CF87D8B7D5@jt2c> <7147E97A172D4D45846F9A76764545AE@jt2c> <4E4448B9.32545.7C8F10B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <93152205FA5E450F88B0D2A75F8FE231@creativesystemdesigns.com> Damn spell-checker...but who checks the spellchecker? ...Stuart. ;-) Graphic recognition software is getting better all the time. Some day soon I full expect Captcha protection to be a thing of the past...but for now it works well. On my site it reduced up to 20 spam mail message, a day, to none. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 2:25 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] Cross post - Password security That's "captcha" not "Caption". An acronym for"Completely Automated Public Turing test to tell Computers and Humans Apart" There are plenty of the cases of captchas being cracked. The battle between captcha designers and attackers is ongoing. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CAPTCHA -- Stuart On 11 Aug 2011 at 11:15, Jim Lawrence wrote: > On a website you can add a "password" that, as of yet can not be > cracked and which continually changes. In the following link, I have > used the Caption creator from Google to stop automated spammers: > > http://www.creativesystemdesigns.com/contact/contact.asp > > Jim > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda > Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 1:53 PM To: 'Off Topic' Cc: > 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] > [dba-OT] Cross post - Password security > > Too right, my account gets locked at work after 3 failed attempts, and > it does at every job I've had. Maybe it's websites - I've not seen > Facebook or Google lock accounts out, simply because of the complete > impossibility of you being able to phone up and ask for it to be > unlocked... > > > Jon > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-ot-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-ot-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Erbach > Sent: 10 August 2011 21:42 To: Off Topic Cc: Discussion of Hardware > and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-OT] Cross post - Password > security > > Jon, > > But this brings up another question: What kind of systems are hackers > breaking into that allow them BILLIONS of tries at the password? I > never understood that. > > Regards, > > Steve Erbach > Neenah, WI > > > On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 2:57 PM, Jon Tydda wrote: > > > Hi all > > > > Someon'e just posted this on my wall on facebook, and it looks > > really interesting, thought I'd share it. > > > > https://www.grc.com/haystack.htm > > > > > > Jon > > _______________________________________________ > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-OT mailing list > dba-OT at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-ot > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Gustav at cactus.dk Fri Aug 12 11:07:16 2011 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2011 18:07:16 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] A simple SAN solution for testing or those on a tight budget Message-ID: Hi Jim et al Well, simple is not the word, as the republished totally free edition of StarWind iSCSI SAN for Windows is limited only to run on one server, and the OS of this is not limited to Windows Server 2008 R2 64-bit but can be even a workstation: http://www.starwindsoftware.com/starwind-free /gustav >>> gustav at cactus.dk 17-04-2011 10:48 >>> Hi Jim et al A good intro and a useful FAQ can be found at Jose Barreto's Blog here: http://blogs.technet.com/b/josebda/archive/2011/04/04/microsoft-iscsi-software-target-3-3-for-windows-server-2008-r2-available-for-public-download.aspx The Microsoft iSCSI Software Target has been available for production use as part of Windows Storage Server since early 2007. .. However, until now, there was no way to use the Microsoft iSCSI Software Target in production on a regular server running Windows Server 2008 R2. .. the software is essentially the same software that ships with Windows Storage Server 2008 R2. Windows Storage Server 2008 R2 and the public download package will be refreshed (kept in sync) with any software fixes and updates. So, I would say, nothing "simple" about this free offer. /gustav >>> gustav at cactus.dk 16-04-2011 19:29 >>> Hi Jim This is great news! The third party solutions for Windows are either very expensive or very limited, and those for Linux and Solaris are ugly to administer for a Windows guy and a nightmare to install and - if not expensive - somewhat limited. Thanks for posting this! By the way, the comprehensive Technet documentation is here: http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/gg232606(WS.10).aspx /gustav >>> accessd at shaw.ca 15-04-2011 19:15 >>> Microsoft now has a free SAN type solution for us who need to test before we deploy and for small businesses on very limited budgets. See the following article: http://blogs.technet.com/b/canitpro/archive/2011/04/05/the-microsoft-iscsi-software-target-is-now-free.aspx ..and the all important download link with its quick product summary and installation tips. The only restriction is that you must have a Sever2008 R2 but if you have had access to a Technet subscription or that your company is part of computer support you already do. http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/en/details.aspx?FamilyID=45105d7f-8c6c-4666-a305-c8189062a0d0 Jim From Gustav at cactus.dk Mon Aug 15 11:02:31 2011 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 18:02:31 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] A simple SAN solution for testing or those on a tight budget Message-ID: Hi Jim et al Just found out that one limitation is left: It won't attach a physical drive. This means that any target created must use an img file placed somewhere on your physical drives. No big deal for many applications - it even may offer you a simple way to back up - but not good for storage for SQL Servers and the like where raw speed is desirable. /gustav >>> Gustav at cactus.dk 12-08-2011 18:07 >>> Hi Jim et al Well, simple is not the word, as the republished totally free edition of StarWind iSCSI SAN for Windows is limited only to run on one server, and the OS of this is not limited to Windows Server 2008 R2 64-bit but can be even a workstation: http://www.starwindsoftware.com/starwind-free /gustav >>> gustav at cactus.dk 17-04-2011 10:48 >>> Hi Jim et al A good intro and a useful FAQ can be found at Jose Barreto's Blog here: http://blogs.technet.com/b/josebda/archive/2011/04/04/microsoft-iscsi-software-target-3-3-for-windows-server-2008-r2-available-for-public-download.aspx The Microsoft iSCSI Software Target has been available for production use as part of Windows Storage Server since early 2007. .. However, until now, there was no way to use the Microsoft iSCSI Software Target in production on a regular server running Windows Server 2008 R2. .. the software is essentially the same software that ships with Windows Storage Server 2008 R2. Windows Storage Server 2008 R2 and the public download package will be refreshed (kept in sync) with any software fixes and updates. So, I would say, nothing "simple" about this free offer. /gustav >>> gustav at cactus.dk 16-04-2011 19:29 >>> Hi Jim This is great news! The third party solutions for Windows are either very expensive or very limited, and those for Linux and Solaris are ugly to administer for a Windows guy and a nightmare to install and - if not expensive - somewhat limited. Thanks for posting this! By the way, the comprehensive Technet documentation is here: http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/gg232606(WS.10).aspx /gustav >>> accessd at shaw.ca 15-04-2011 19:15 >>> Microsoft now has a free SAN type solution for us who need to test before we deploy and for small businesses on very limited budgets. See the following article: http://blogs.technet.com/b/canitpro/archive/2011/04/05/the-microsoft-iscsi-software-target-is-now-free.aspx ..and the all important download link with its quick product summary and installation tips. The only restriction is that you must have a Sever2008 R2 but if you have had access to a Technet subscription or that your company is part of computer support you already do. http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/en/details.aspx?FamilyID=45105d7f-8c6c-4666-a305-c8189062a0d0 Jim From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Aug 15 13:11:42 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 11:11:42 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] A simple SAN solution for testing or those on a tight budget In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1AB585153CB24E9982174FA6A079ADD1@creativesystemdesigns.com> Hi Gustav: This is all coming at an appropriate time. A fan shut down on one of my bigger servers and it fried three 500GB drives, the whole raid (in about two hours I think)...the backup drives as well. It has been a major loss of material...close to 50 ISOs downloaded from last years TechNet subscription and a lot of test systems, I have been playing with (Node.js so very fast...grrrr) In the meantime, a friend recommended a program, which monitors your hard drive (bay) temperatures: http://www.almico.com/speedfan.php I am still working on getting drivers for the raid monitoring but sure could have used it a few days ago. It will send you an email if something is exceeding event parameters you have set. For the price, it is excellent. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 9:03 AM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] A simple SAN solution for testing or those on a tight budget Hi Jim et al Just found out that one limitation is left: It won't attach a physical drive. This means that any target created must use an img file placed somewhere on your physical drives. No big deal for many applications - it even may offer you a simple way to back up - but not good for storage for SQL Servers and the like where raw speed is desirable. /gustav >>> Gustav at cactus.dk 12-08-2011 18:07 >>> Hi Jim et al Well, simple is not the word, as the republished totally free edition of StarWind iSCSI SAN for Windows is limited only to run on one server, and the OS of this is not limited to Windows Server 2008 R2 64-bit but can be even a workstation: http://www.starwindsoftware.com/starwind-free /gustav >>> gustav at cactus.dk 17-04-2011 10:48 >>> Hi Jim et al A good intro and a useful FAQ can be found at Jose Barreto's Blog here: http://blogs.technet.com/b/josebda/archive/2011/04/04/microsoft-iscsi-softwa re-target-3-3-for-windows-server-2008-r2-available-for-public-download.aspx The Microsoft iSCSI Software Target has been available for production use as part of Windows Storage Server since early 2007. .. However, until now, there was no way to use the Microsoft iSCSI Software Target in production on a regular server running Windows Server 2008 R2. .. the software is essentially the same software that ships with Windows Storage Server 2008 R2. Windows Storage Server 2008 R2 and the public download package will be refreshed (kept in sync) with any software fixes and updates. So, I would say, nothing "simple" about this free offer. /gustav >>> gustav at cactus.dk 16-04-2011 19:29 >>> Hi Jim This is great news! The third party solutions for Windows are either very expensive or very limited, and those for Linux and Solaris are ugly to administer for a Windows guy and a nightmare to install and - if not expensive - somewhat limited. Thanks for posting this! By the way, the comprehensive Technet documentation is here: http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/gg232606(WS.10).aspx /gustav >>> accessd at shaw.ca 15-04-2011 19:15 >>> Microsoft now has a free SAN type solution for us who need to test before we deploy and for small businesses on very limited budgets. See the following article: http://blogs.technet.com/b/canitpro/archive/2011/04/05/the-microsoft-iscsi-s oftware-target-is-now-free.aspx ..and the all important download link with its quick product summary and installation tips. The only restriction is that you must have a Sever2008 R2 but if you have had access to a Technet subscription or that your company is part of computer support you already do. http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/en/details.aspx?FamilyID=45105d7f-8c6c-46 66-a305-c8189062a0d0 Jim _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sat Aug 20 06:38:48 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 07:38:48 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Google := Gobble? Message-ID: Not that I necessarily have a problem with this, but it's a little like, what if Google makes enough money to buy Microsoft or Oracle or IBM? What would the world look like then? Frankly I have no idea, but if I were the strategist I would suggest Conde-Nast as the first acquisition, not to mention the fabulous chicks decorating the covers of its various mags, but rather that it has acquired both Rolling Stone and Wired, which in a few words is to say that we have all been compromised, and this is not good. A. From accessd at shaw.ca Sat Aug 20 07:36:26 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 05:36:26 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Google := Gobble? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1E601A1F5C5D4499AC9466D379D484B5@creativesystemdesigns.com> So what's the story Athur? Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2011 4:39 AM To: Peter Brawley; asanga at xplornet.com; Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Google := Gobble? Not that I necessarily have a problem with this, but it's a little like, what if Google makes enough money to buy Microsoft or Oracle or IBM? What would the world look like then? Frankly I have no idea, but if I were the strategist I would suggest Conde-Nast as the first acquisition, not to mention the fabulous chicks decorating the covers of its various mags, but rather that it has acquired both Rolling Stone and Wired, which in a few words is to say that we have all been compromised, and this is not good. A. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sat Aug 20 08:23:57 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 09:23:57 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Google := Gobble? In-Reply-To: <1E601A1F5C5D4499AC9466D379D484B5@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <1E601A1F5C5D4499AC9466D379D484B5@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: Google + was what I was referring to, and the likelihood that Linked In will be the first casualty. On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 8:36 AM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > So what's the story Athur? > > Jim > From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Sat Aug 20 09:10:26 2011 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 07:10:26 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Google := Gobble? In-Reply-To: References: <1E601A1F5C5D4499AC9466D379D484B5@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: I'm on linked in and get linked to more and more people but I can't figure out for the life of me why I'm there or what good it does. But that may just be my particular situation. I've talked to some other people who a 'linked' and they can't say what good it ever did. It's a neat concept but sort of a solution looking for a problem. Does anyone know someone who gets benefits from being linked in? R -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: August 20, 2011 6:24 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Google := Gobble? Google + was what I was referring to, and the likelihood that Linked In will be the first casualty. On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 8:36 AM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > So what's the story Athur? > > Jim > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From gustav at cactus.dk Sat Aug 20 09:26:27 2011 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 16:26:27 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Google := Gobble? Message-ID: Hi Rocky I would like to know that as well. Too busy to be bashed with even more adds. /gustav >>> rockysmolin at bchacc.com 20-08-2011 16:10 >>> I'm on linked in and get linked to more and more people but I can't figure out for the life of me why I'm there or what good it does. But that may just be my particular situation. I've talked to some other people who a 'linked' and they can't say what good it ever did. It's a neat concept but sort of a solution looking for a problem. Does anyone know someone who gets benefits from being linked in? R From ssharkins at gmail.com Sat Aug 20 09:28:43 2011 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 10:28:43 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Google := Gobble? References: <1E601A1F5C5D4499AC9466D379D484B5@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: None. The only even partial tickle I got was from an author I use to communicate with a bit. She has started her own publishing company and I thought I might get a bit of work from her, but turned out, she just wanted someone to review her books. Nice lady -- good idea for her, but I don't do that anymore, especially not for free. Susan H. > > Does anyone know someone who gets benefits from being linked in? > From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sat Aug 20 10:03:53 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 11:03:53 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Google := Gobble? In-Reply-To: References: <1E601A1F5C5D4499AC9466D379D484B5@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: The other thing I forgot to mention was Google's acquisition of Motorola. Arthur On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 10:28 AM, Susan Harkins wrote: > None. The only even partial tickle I got was from an author I use to > communicate with a bit. She has started her own publishing company and I > thought I might get a bit of work from her, but turned out, she just wanted > someone to review her books. Nice lady -- good idea for her, but I don't do > that anymore, especially not for free. > > Susan H. > > > > >> Does anyone know someone who gets benefits from being linked in? >> >> > From tinanfields at torchlake.com Sat Aug 20 10:07:47 2011 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 11:07:47 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Google := Gobble? In-Reply-To: References: <1E601A1F5C5D4499AC9466D379D484B5@creativesystemd esigns.com> Message-ID: <4E4FCDC3.6020203@torchlake.com> Rocky, I know my son-in-law gets benefit from it. He is a specialized head-hunter, a recruiter for high-tech, high-priced, positions - some contract, some permanent. He makes great use of the connections he has on LinkedIn. I have enjoyed the connections I've made. Haven't yet had a monetary professional benefit from being 'linked.' But, my university groups are on there and I certainly benefit from the interaction. T Tina Norris Fields tinanfields at torchlake.com 231-322-2787 On 8/20/2011 10:10 AM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > I'm on linked in and get linked to more and more people but I can't figure > out for the life of me why I'm there or what good it does. But that may just > be my particular situation. > > I've talked to some other people who a 'linked' and they can't say what good > it ever did. > > It's a neat concept but sort of a solution looking for a problem. > > Does anyone know someone who gets benefits from being linked in? > > R > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller > Sent: August 20, 2011 6:24 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Google := Gobble? > > Google + was what I was referring to, and the likelihood that Linked In will > be the first casualty. > > On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 8:36 AM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > >> So what's the story Athur? >> >> Jim >> > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From accessd at shaw.ca Sat Aug 20 21:24:13 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 19:24:13 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Google := Gobble? In-Reply-To: References: <1E601A1F5C5D4499AC9466D379D484B5@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <1728D3740D2C48DE869C590EF35EB1E2@creativesystemdesigns.com> Arthur: Apparently, Google grabbed Motorola for its patents...all the companies that can afford to these days are doing that. Even the Open Source market has been feeling the squeeze as even the code that has been specifically developed for the OS market is sometimes getting sucked into registered patents and so the battle begins. The good news is once outside the US patent envelope most of these patents and infringement claims are not deemed legal. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2011 8:04 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Google := Gobble? The other thing I forgot to mention was Google's acquisition of Motorola. Arthur On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 10:28 AM, Susan Harkins wrote: > None. The only even partial tickle I got was from an author I use to > communicate with a bit. She has started her own publishing company and I > thought I might get a bit of work from her, but turned out, she just wanted > someone to review her books. Nice lady -- good idea for her, but I don't do > that anymore, especially not for free. > > Susan H. > > > > >> Does anyone know someone who gets benefits from being linked in? >> >> > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sun Aug 21 06:58:58 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2011 07:58:58 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Dual boot Windows 7 and Linux Message-ID: I'm considering setting up my Windows 7 box to dual-boot, the other boot being LinuxMint 11. But last time I tried to do it, using Ubuntu, something seriously screwed up and I ended up having to re-install Windows 7, so I'm trepidatious to say the least. Does anyone have a successful Windows 7 dual-boot? The reason I want that setup is so that when running Linux, I can run the 64-bit version. I tried setting up LinuxMint as a 32-bit VM but something went haywire, hard to say what, since I have an Ubuntu VM that runs just fine. Weird. THX, Arthur From accessd at shaw.ca Sun Aug 21 10:13:34 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2011 08:13:34 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Dual boot Windows 7 and Linux In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Arthur: I have installed a number of dual boot Ubuntu Linux and Window7/Vista/XP boxes over the years. Started using all sorts of distros redhat/lime/vector/ubuntu etc...however, have finally settled on Ubuntu as infinitely reliable and full featured; 32 or 64-bit versions: http://www.ubuntu.com/download/ubuntu/download You have to install the MS OS first, leaving room for the Linux. Download the Ubuntu ISO 32/64 (I think it is at 11.04 right now) and burn it to CD (Side Note: remember 64 bit OS take twice the memory of 32 bit (the goes for all OS types and versions (Windows or Linux) so you should have 8GB of RAM) After the Windows version installation, boot the computer from the new Ubuntu Linux CD. (Side Note: Make sure your BIOS is set so it boots from the CD/DVD drive.) It will give you an option to run from CD or install. When you choose install it will note that there is already another OS on the Hard drive and will ask whether to overwrite or setup both and then it will ask how much of the drive to use for the Linux. After that, it is fairly simple with default questions for the install. At the end Linux will install a dual boot app called GRUB2, asking the appropriate questions. Here is a link to everything you wanted to know about GRUB2 and how to edit its scripts: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2?action=show&redirect=GRUB2 Hope this is what you need. (I just installed a 64bit server version of Ubuntu, with the desktop GUI, on Saturday and the clients should be real happy...all the Windows stations connected without issue...now I am going on holidays and will leave the local tech responsible). :-) HTH Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 4:59 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Dual boot Windows 7 and Linux I'm considering setting up my Windows 7 box to dual-boot, the other boot being LinuxMint 11. But last time I tried to do it, using Ubuntu, something seriously screwed up and I ended up having to re-install Windows 7, so I'm trepidatious to say the least. Does anyone have a successful Windows 7 dual-boot? The reason I want that setup is so that when running Linux, I can run the 64-bit version. I tried setting up LinuxMint as a 32-bit VM but something went haywire, hard to say what, since I have an Ubuntu VM that runs just fine. Weird. THX, Arthur _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From marklbreen at gmail.com Mon Aug 22 02:54:47 2011 From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen) Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2011 08:54:47 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Dual boot Windows 7 and Linux In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Arthur, I use Ubuntu sometimes and boot directly from my USB stick. It works well enough for me. I frightenend myself a few days ago when my big Win7 machine booted from the USB, what a shock to see Ubuntu where I expected to see my whole life :) Mark On 21 August 2011 12:58, Arthur Fuller wrote: > I'm considering setting up my Windows 7 box to dual-boot, the other boot > being LinuxMint 11. But last time I tried to do it, using Ubuntu, something > seriously screwed up and I ended up having to re-install Windows 7, so I'm > trepidatious to say the least. Does anyone have a successful Windows 7 > dual-boot? The reason I want that setup is so that when running Linux, I > can > run the 64-bit version. I tried setting up LinuxMint as a 32-bit VM but > something went haywire, hard to say what, since I have an Ubuntu VM that > runs just fine. Weird. > > THX, > Arthur > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From fuller.artful at gmail.com Mon Aug 22 10:18:54 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2011 11:18:54 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Dual boot Windows 7 and Linux In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I've read about setting up a USB as the Linux boot but never tried it yet. Assuming that you do this setup, how do you set up the file system so that it understands that part of the hard disk belongs to it? Alternatively, I guess I could spring for one of those 16GB USBs. That would be more than enough space for my needs. A. On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 3:54 AM, Mark Breen wrote: > Hi Arthur, > > I use Ubuntu sometimes and boot directly from my USB stick. It works well > enough for me. > > I frightenend myself a few days ago when my big Win7 machine booted from > the > USB, what a shock to see Ubuntu where I expected to see my whole life :) > > Mark > > From fuller.artful at gmail.com Mon Aug 22 17:01:10 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2011 18:01:10 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Force Word to stop auto-capitalization? Message-ID: I'm typing in some Bobby Fischer games in Word, and there are specific rules to modern chess notation, especially regarding capitalization. Is there any way to tell Word to leave me alone, I know what I'm doing? This is infuriating. In fact, If this continues much longer, I'll do the entries in NoteTab instead. Arggghhhhh. Arthur From jon at tydda.plus.com Mon Aug 22 17:14:18 2011 From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda) Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2011 23:14:18 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Force Word to stop auto-capitalization? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2D8B82AB64DF46759613B31703111C49@jt2c> You can just turn off Auto-replace? In Tools/Options Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: 22 August 2011 23:01 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Force Word to stop auto-capitalization? I'm typing in some Bobby Fischer games in Word, and there are specific rules to modern chess notation, especially regarding capitalization. Is there any way to tell Word to leave me alone, I know what I'm doing? This is infuriating. In fact, If this continues much longer, I'll do the entries in NoteTab instead. Arggghhhhh. Arthur _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Mon Aug 22 17:20:49 2011 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 08:20:49 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Force Word to stop auto-capitalization? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4E52D641.8853.EC1E05D@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> It's in Tools - Options - Autocorrect (or wherever they have hidden that in 2007/2010 ) There is a range of Capitalisation rules which you can set/unset. You can even create a list of exceptions for your chess notation strings ( the default installation has one entry - IDs ) so that you don't need to switch it on and off. -- Stuart On 22 Aug 2011 at 18:01, Arthur Fuller wrote: > I'm typing in some Bobby Fischer games in Word, and there are specific > rules to modern chess notation, especially regarding capitalization. > Is there any way to tell Word to leave me alone, I know what I'm > doing? This is infuriating. In fact, If this continues much longer, > I'll do the entries in NoteTab instead. Arggghhhhh. > > Arthur > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From fuller.artful at gmail.com Mon Aug 22 17:45:55 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2011 18:45:55 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Force Word to stop auto-capitalization? In-Reply-To: <4E52D641.8853.EC1E05D@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <4E52D641.8853.EC1E05D@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: Thanks to both of you. On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 6:20 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote: > It's in Tools - Options - Autocorrect (or wherever they have hidden that > in 2007/2010 ) > > There is a range of Capitalisation rules which you can set/unset. > > You can even create a list of exceptions for your chess notation strings ( > the default > installation has one entry - IDs ) so that you don't need to switch it on > and off. > > From marklbreen at gmail.com Thu Aug 25 10:18:00 2011 From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 16:18:00 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Dual boot Windows 7 and Linux In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Arthur, for playing with, even a 4GB is enough, probably much less is OK also, I did not check. to set it up all I did was download unbuntu to the stick and power on the pc, nice and easy Mark On 22 August 2011 16:18, Arthur Fuller wrote: > I've read about setting up a USB as the Linux boot but never tried it yet. > Assuming that you do this setup, how do you set up the file system so that > it understands that part of the hard disk belongs to it? Alternatively, I > guess I could spring for one of those 16GB USBs. That would be more than > enough space for my needs. > > A. > > On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 3:54 AM, Mark Breen wrote: > > > Hi Arthur, > > > > I use Ubuntu sometimes and boot directly from my USB stick. It works > well > > enough for me. > > > > I frightenend myself a few days ago when my big Win7 machine booted from > > the > > USB, what a shock to see Ubuntu where I expected to see my whole life :) > > > > Mark > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From fuller.artful at gmail.com Fri Aug 26 16:11:19 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 17:11:19 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Inside Out Message-ID: Having just completed what I expect will be my last project in Access, and having suffered quite enough of the MS architecture, I am seriously considering turning everything inside out. Currently I run Windows 7 as the base OS, and then Oracle VirtualBox atop that, and then Ubuntu as a VM within that. Inside out means, make Ubuntu the base OS, then run VirtualBox, and install Windows 7, Office etc. as a VM within that environment. IOW, I would live in Linux, and a VM or two would enable me to reach back into the Windows environment on those increasingly rare occasions when I would need to, i.e. fix a bug in the delivered app, and now and then do some SQL Server development and/or experiments. But mostly I want to sever my connections with MS; keep it around as a VM but move to Linux and take my chances there. As a semi-retired person, I think that I can get away with this umbilical-cord severance, but before I do something radical to my system, I want to ensure that I have all my bases covered. I have plenty of time on my hands, so re-installing every significant Windows program within a VM is not that big an issue. I'm thinking.... 1. Back up every significant data directory on the boot drive. 2. Boot from Ubuntu 64-bit and have it reformat the boot drive. 3. Set up all the Linux stuff I want (VirtualBox, RoR, SQLite, MySQL, Apache, etc.) 4. Create a couple of VMs that open Windows 7, with Office 2007 etc. installed). And purely for nostalgic reasons, try to install a DOS-emulation VM within VirtualBox so I can run some legacy stuff. I note that 1TB drives are dirt-cheap ($109) here in Toronto, so perhaps the safest play is to score one of those, back up everything to it, then reformat with impunity. I like the pirate-flavor of that, but after all these years I'm a cautious pirate, and firmly believe in Atilla's Rules of Order: if you're going to rape, pillage and burn, make sure you do it in that order. 0. Before embarking upon said voyage, the first thing I would need to do is walk through the Control Panel's list of installed programs and remove everything that I haven't used in months; trim the basic image to the minimal current requirements; image that, and then use that as the basic Windows VM footprint. Has anyone on this list tried to turn the cat inside out, as I am proposing to do? Have I left out anything of consequence? I can think of one thing not aforementioned: suppose that I don't want to commit to Ubuntu, but possibly leave the door open for her sexy neighbor LinuxMint, or even RedHat? Is it possible to create a multiboot Linux offering several flavours? I am willing to sacrifice an MS boot as native and go with VMs for Windows 7 et.al. To be sure I am most comfortable in an MS OS, but perhaps it's time that I grew up. Any advice from people who have traveled down this road would be most appreciated. TIA, Arthur From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Fri Aug 26 16:21:22 2011 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 14:21:22 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Inside Out In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9274DF0746A84E89BD24760B895CD6BE@HAL9007> What kinds of clients would you look for then? What kinds of apps to develop and what platform/language? Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: August 26, 2011 2:11 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Inside Out Having just completed what I expect will be my last project in Access, and having suffered quite enough of the MS architecture, I am seriously considering turning everything inside out. Currently I run Windows 7 as the base OS, and then Oracle VirtualBox atop that, and then Ubuntu as a VM within that. Inside out means, make Ubuntu the base OS, then run VirtualBox, and install Windows 7, Office etc. as a VM within that environment. IOW, I would live in Linux, and a VM or two would enable me to reach back into the Windows environment on those increasingly rare occasions when I would need to, i.e. fix a bug in the delivered app, and now and then do some SQL Server development and/or experiments. But mostly I want to sever my connections with MS; keep it around as a VM but move to Linux and take my chances there. As a semi-retired person, I think that I can get away with this umbilical-cord severance, but before I do something radical to my system, I want to ensure that I have all my bases covered. I have plenty of time on my hands, so re-installing every significant Windows program within a VM is not that big an issue. I'm thinking.... 1. Back up every significant data directory on the boot drive. 2. Boot from Ubuntu 64-bit and have it reformat the boot drive. 3. Set up all the Linux stuff I want (VirtualBox, RoR, SQLite, MySQL, Apache, etc.) 4. Create a couple of VMs that open Windows 7, with Office 2007 etc. installed). And purely for nostalgic reasons, try to install a DOS-emulation VM within VirtualBox so I can run some legacy stuff. I note that 1TB drives are dirt-cheap ($109) here in Toronto, so perhaps the safest play is to score one of those, back up everything to it, then reformat with impunity. I like the pirate-flavor of that, but after all these years I'm a cautious pirate, and firmly believe in Atilla's Rules of Order: if you're going to rape, pillage and burn, make sure you do it in that order. 0. Before embarking upon said voyage, the first thing I would need to do is walk through the Control Panel's list of installed programs and remove everything that I haven't used in months; trim the basic image to the minimal current requirements; image that, and then use that as the basic Windows VM footprint. Has anyone on this list tried to turn the cat inside out, as I am proposing to do? Have I left out anything of consequence? I can think of one thing not aforementioned: suppose that I don't want to commit to Ubuntu, but possibly leave the door open for her sexy neighbor LinuxMint, or even RedHat? Is it possible to create a multiboot Linux offering several flavours? I am willing to sacrifice an MS boot as native and go with VMs for Windows 7 et.al. To be sure I am most comfortable in an MS OS, but perhaps it's time that I grew up. Any advice from people who have traveled down this road would be most appreciated. TIA, Arthur _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Fri Aug 26 16:47:37 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 17:47:37 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Inside Out In-Reply-To: <9274DF0746A84E89BD24760B895CD6BE@HAL9007> References: <9274DF0746A84E89BD24760B895CD6BE@HAL9007> Message-ID: Sorry Rocky, but you missed the point. I am no longer in search of clients. Unfortunately, "I try to get out but they keep dragging me back in." (c.f. The Godfather). I do not want any new clients. In the immortal words of Greta Garbo, "I didn't say I want to be alone. I said I want to be left alone. There's a difference." And that's where I am currently at vis-a-vis app-development. I don't want any new clients. I will continue to service my existing client-base to the extent that they wish bug-fixes and enhancements, but after that, all I want to do is study the chess-games of Bobby Fischer, and learn more about several other things such as Genetic Algorithms, and to hell with YAFOES (yet another friendly order entry system). I'm done with all that. I want to spend my retirement years on interesting problems such as GAs. I'm done with writing practical solutions. I have enough to live on, and I don't give a fork whether company A or B or C lives or dies. I just want to play chess and backgammon, and hang around here because it's intellectually stimulating. The fact that I've completed my last client's last requests I deem liberating. Clients be damned! Now I can finally have fun programming! I've earned it. I'm never going to give up the habit/infatuation/addiction, but at last it's on my own terms, rather than some deadline imposed by some client. I'm far from wealthy, but have enough to get by; no fancy vacations in far-off countries, but I've already been to 32 countries at last count, so that's not much of an imposition. And now at last I get to decide what to think about, instead of being harnessed into some horse-collar mandated by some client. I don't mean to demean anyone still fighting in the trenches. All I mean to say is that I began the fight in 1983, even before DOS, and I'm a veteran who is at last ready to enjoy his pension. That doesn't mean that I'm taking the paddle out of the lake; quite the contrary: at last I get to choose the lake. Trust me on this: the lake ain't another order-entry system or any of its variants: been there, done that, got the t-shirt. Now I want Real challenges, and I shall cite a couple of examples: 1. Genetic algorithms: I have been fascinated by this discipline since its inception. 2. Teleological chess: I hate the Deep Blue brute-force paradign and remain convinced that there is a better way than Deep Blue. 3. Sudoku: already solved that problem; the most difficult Sudoku problem (by general consensus) takes my algorithm 1 minute to solve. The average problem in newspapers takes seconds. 4. GO: now that's a serious problem, and I've only begun. and have so far nothing much to show. 5. Musical dictionary: this is the problem that most fascinates me. This one is tough. Assume an input device such as a keyboard or an input-MIDI file etc. The problem is to discover whether its principal melody, second melody, harmonic themes etc. have been previously used. Ignore key and signature and transposition, and discover that Item A is a retrograde inverted transposition from key xxx to key yyyy, with xxx played on cello and yyy played on keyboard, and still detect it: that one is a bitchin' problem! These are some of the problems to which I shall devote my retirement years. I am fully cognizant that I won't make a dollar from any of their solutions, and I don't care, and that is the freedom of retirement! A. A. On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 5:21 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > What kinds of clients would you look for then? What kinds of apps to > develop and what platform/language? > > Rocky > > From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Fri Aug 26 18:17:23 2011 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 16:17:23 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Inside Out In-Reply-To: References: <9274DF0746A84E89BD24760B895CD6BE@HAL9007> Message-ID: <0FBC0CA869D94B20BA228F6E827C37A5@HAL9007> 1) are you still living on the island or are you back in Canada? 2) then for the problems you intend to tackle, will you use .Net or what? R -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: August 26, 2011 2:48 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Inside Out Sorry Rocky, but you missed the point. I am no longer in search of clients. Unfortunately, "I try to get out but they keep dragging me back in." (c.f. The Godfather). I do not want any new clients. In the immortal words of Greta Garbo, "I didn't say I want to be alone. I said I want to be left alone. There's a difference." And that's where I am currently at vis-a-vis app-development. I don't want any new clients. I will continue to service my existing client-base to the extent that they wish bug-fixes and enhancements, but after that, all I want to do is study the chess-games of Bobby Fischer, and learn more about several other things such as Genetic Algorithms, and to hell with YAFOES (yet another friendly order entry system). I'm done with all that. I want to spend my retirement years on interesting problems such as GAs. I'm done with writing practical solutions. I have enough to live on, and I don't give a fork whether company A or B or C lives or dies. I just want to play chess and backgammon, and hang around here because it's intellectually stimulating. The fact that I've completed my last client's last requests I deem liberating. Clients be damned! Now I can finally have fun programming! I've earned it. I'm never going to give up the habit/infatuation/addiction, but at last it's on my own terms, rather than some deadline imposed by some client. I'm far from wealthy, but have enough to get by; no fancy vacations in far-off countries, but I've already been to 32 countries at last count, so that's not much of an imposition. And now at last I get to decide what to think about, instead of being harnessed into some horse-collar mandated by some client. I don't mean to demean anyone still fighting in the trenches. All I mean to say is that I began the fight in 1983, even before DOS, and I'm a veteran who is at last ready to enjoy his pension. That doesn't mean that I'm taking the paddle out of the lake; quite the contrary: at last I get to choose the lake. Trust me on this: the lake ain't another order-entry system or any of its variants: been there, done that, got the t-shirt. Now I want Real challenges, and I shall cite a couple of examples: 1. Genetic algorithms: I have been fascinated by this discipline since its inception. 2. Teleological chess: I hate the Deep Blue brute-force paradign and remain convinced that there is a better way than Deep Blue. 3. Sudoku: already solved that problem; the most difficult Sudoku problem (by general consensus) takes my algorithm 1 minute to solve. The average problem in newspapers takes seconds. 4. GO: now that's a serious problem, and I've only begun. and have so far nothing much to show. 5. Musical dictionary: this is the problem that most fascinates me. This one is tough. Assume an input device such as a keyboard or an input-MIDI file etc. The problem is to discover whether its principal melody, second melody, harmonic themes etc. have been previously used. Ignore key and signature and transposition, and discover that Item A is a retrograde inverted transposition from key xxx to key yyyy, with xxx played on cello and yyy played on keyboard, and still detect it: that one is a bitchin' problem! These are some of the problems to which I shall devote my retirement years. I am fully cognizant that I won't make a dollar from any of their solutions, and I don't care, and that is the freedom of retirement! A. A. On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 5:21 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > What kinds of clients would you look for then? What kinds of apps to > develop and what platform/language? > > Rocky > > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sat Aug 27 02:33:42 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2011 03:33:42 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Inside Out In-Reply-To: <0FBC0CA869D94B20BA228F6E827C37A5@HAL9007> References: <9274DF0746A84E89BD24760B895CD6BE@HAL9007> <0FBC0CA869D94B20BA228F6E827C37A5@HAL9007> Message-ID: 1. I'm back in Canada. 2. Some .NET, some Python (for its exquisite string-manipulation stuff), and I'm fascinated by Ruby on Rails too. But after all these years, Access is in my blood, and will probably always be my first-gun when it comes to prototyping any given problem, just because I know it so well. And I'll always hang out on these lists, among cyber-friends. A. On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 7:17 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > 1) are you still living on the island or are you back in Canada? > 2) then for the problems you intend to tackle, will you use .Net or what? > > R > > From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Sat Aug 27 03:28:32 2011 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2011 18:28:32 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Inside Out In-Reply-To: References: , <0FBC0CA869D94B20BA228F6E827C37A5@HAL9007>, Message-ID: <4E58AAB0.15703.2587A2D8@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> It would be worthwhile to take a look at PowerBasic for the sorts of problems you are considering. -- Stuart On 27 Aug 2011 at 3:33, Arthur Fuller wrote: > 1. I'm back in Canada. > 2. Some .NET, some Python (for its exquisite string-manipulation > stuff), and I'm fascinated by Ruby on Rails too. > > But after all these years, Access is in my blood, and will probably > always be my first-gun when it comes to prototyping any given problem, > just because I know it so well. And I'll always hang out on these > lists, among cyber-friends. > > A. > > On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 7:17 PM, Rocky Smolin > wrote: > > > 1) are you still living on the island or are you back in Canada? 2) > > then for the problems you intend to tackle, will you use .Net or > > what? > > > > R > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Sat Aug 27 10:41:15 2011 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2011 08:41:15 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] W7 Search Message-ID: Dear List: Is there a way to show the whole path along with the file name using the W7 search function? A la the Search Everything utility. I'd stop using search everything except the W7 search doesn't show the path so when I see multiple occurrences of the same file name I don't know where they are. MTIA Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.bchacc.com www.e-z-mrp.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sat Aug 27 14:08:54 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2011 15:08:54 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: Jack Layton Message-ID: This week, a man died of cancer in Canada. His name was Jack Layton. He was Leader of the Opposition in parliament, head of the New Democratic Party, and a galvanizing force in Canadian politics and political life. About 30 years ago, when Jack was a City Councillor in Toronto, I wrote the first version of his campaign-management software, later to be shared with Olivia Chow, who would soon become his wife. In step with his successes, we went on to develop several subsequent versions. Each time the software got better, and I like to think that it played some small part in his success. Jack is the first person in Canadian history who is not a prime minister or cabinet minister to be given a state funeral. It's occurring as I write this. He has so many achievements that it's hard to know where to begin. He was the first to embrace gay rights, green city culture, he invented the White Ribbon HIV-AIDS campaign. campaigned for bicycle-culture (he rode his bicycle to work even in the dead of winter; I remember him saying that if you dress for it, you can bicycle even in Toronto winters). He was tri-lingual (he was born in Quebec and so learned English and French when he was young, and later on learned Cantonese from his wife Olivia Chow). He had several remarkable and unique characteristics, notable among them his open-door policy. I know this because I was frequently there working on his computer, adding reports etc. while people walked in and told him of their problems and complaints -- and he acted on them. In this week of his death, it is astonishing how many thousands of people are weeping openly at his loss. Even those who don't share his political views are weeping. One thing everyone of every political stripe can say is that Jack never argued ad hominem (against the man), but always stuck to the issues: poverty, homelessness, gay rights, green economics. Such was his measure that even the prime minister of Australia flew halfway around the world to attend Jack's funeral == not to mention thousands of Torontonians and others who came to pay their respects and honour a man. Rest in peace, Jack. You will be missed by Canadians of every political stripe. Arthur From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sun Aug 28 05:29:32 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2011 06:29:32 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] DOS in Sun VirtualBox? Message-ID: For purely nostalgic reasons, I'd like to create a DOS VM in Sun VirtualBox, but am unsure how to do it. Does anyone here use VirtualBox and if so, do you know how I could create a DOS VM within it? TIA, Arthur From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Sun Aug 28 06:02:02 2011 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2011 21:02:02 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] DOS in Sun VirtualBox? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4E5A202A.19128.2B3A893E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> No idea, but as an alternative, have you looked at DOSBox? http://www.dosbox.com/ DOSBox emulates an Intel x86 PC, complete with sound, graphics, mouse, joystick, modem, etc., necessary for running many old MS-DOS games that simply cannot be run on modern PCs and operating systems, such as Microsoft Windows XP, Windows Vista, Linux and FreeBSD. However, it is not restricted to running only games. In theory, any MS-DOS or PC-DOS (referred to commonly as "DOS") application should run in DOSBox, but the emphasis has been on getting DOS games to run smoothly, which means that communication, networking and printer support are still in early development. DOSBox also comes with its own DOS-like command prompt. It is still quite rudimentary and lacks many of the features found in MS-DOS, but it is sufficient for installing and running most DOS games. -- Stuart On 28 Aug 2011 at 6:29, Arthur Fuller wrote: > For purely nostalgic reasons, I'd like to create a DOS VM in Sun > VirtualBox, but am unsure how to do it. Does anyone here use > VirtualBox and if so, do you know how I could create a DOS VM within > it? > > TIA, > Arthur > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From accessd at shaw.ca Wed Aug 31 13:05:20 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2011 11:05:20 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: Jack Layton In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <992E4578BEFC4D68AD8C364489B197F5@creativesystemdesigns.com> A truly unbelievable loss... Even in Victoria, flags were hanging at half-mast. Only met him a few times; unbelievable energy, optimism and vision. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2011 12:09 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: Jack Layton This week, a man died of cancer in Canada. His name was Jack Layton. He was Leader of the Opposition in parliament, head of the New Democratic Party, and a galvanizing force in Canadian politics and political life. About 30 years ago, when Jack was a City Councillor in Toronto, I wrote the first version of his campaign-management software, later to be shared with Olivia Chow, who would soon become his wife. In step with his successes, we went on to develop several subsequent versions. Each time the software got better, and I like to think that it played some small part in his success. Jack is the first person in Canadian history who is not a prime minister or cabinet minister to be given a state funeral. It's occurring as I write this. He has so many achievements that it's hard to know where to begin. He was the first to embrace gay rights, green city culture, he invented the White Ribbon HIV-AIDS campaign. campaigned for bicycle-culture (he rode his bicycle to work even in the dead of winter; I remember him saying that if you dress for it, you can bicycle even in Toronto winters). He was tri-lingual (he was born in Quebec and so learned English and French when he was young, and later on learned Cantonese from his wife Olivia Chow). He had several remarkable and unique characteristics, notable among them his open-door policy. I know this because I was frequently there working on his computer, adding reports etc. while people walked in and told him of their problems and complaints -- and he acted on them. In this week of his death, it is astonishing how many thousands of people are weeping openly at his loss. Even those who don't share his political views are weeping. One thing everyone of every political stripe can say is that Jack never argued ad hominem (against the man), but always stuck to the issues: poverty, homelessness, gay rights, green economics. Such was his measure that even the prime minister of Australia flew halfway around the world to attend Jack's funeral == not to mention thousands of Torontonians and others who came to pay their respects and honour a man. Rest in peace, Jack. You will be missed by Canadians of every political stripe. Arthur _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Wed Aug 31 13:08:24 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2011 11:08:24 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] DOS in Sun VirtualBox? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I hope you like pictures...here is a simple DOS install. (6.22) ;-) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cY6-FbKcgmc Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2011 3:30 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] DOS in Sun VirtualBox? For purely nostalgic reasons, I'd like to create a DOS VM in Sun VirtualBox, but am unsure how to do it. Does anyone here use VirtualBox and if so, do you know how I could create a DOS VM within it? TIA, Arthur _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com