From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Fri Dec  2 17:23:28 2011
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2011 09:23:28 +1000
Subject: [dba-Tech] No Desktop Apps on Win8 on ARM?
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1gLBm8868+PrEpCwfptz36gD8C0H9ahdrbV1td8npKq0g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1gLBm8868+PrEpCwfptz36gD8C0H9ahdrbV1td8npKq0g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4ED95DF0.12313.7EBA2FC@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

http://www.zdnet.com/blog/microsoft/microsoft-to-drop-desktop-app-from-windows-8-arm-tabl
ets/11325

-- 
Stuart


From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Dec  2 20:01:18 2011
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 18:01:18 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] No Desktop Apps on Win8 on ARM?
In-Reply-To: <4ED95DF0.12313.7EBA2FC@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <CAEPJO1gLBm8868+PrEpCwfptz36gD8C0H9ahdrbV1td8npKq0g@mail.gmail.com>
	<4ED95DF0.12313.7EBA2FC@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <EE84698CD0564784B332976B425AF997@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Good or bad?

The ARM desktops will put Microsoft's tablets on the same level as iPad.
They will just have their apps running off the internet.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 3:23 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] No Desktop Apps on Win8 on ARM?

http://www.zdnet.com/blog/microsoft/microsoft-to-drop-desktop-app-from-windo
ws-8-arm-tabl
ets/11325

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From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Sat Dec  3 05:12:41 2011
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 03:12:41 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] No Desktop Apps on Win8 on ARM?
In-Reply-To: <EE84698CD0564784B332976B425AF997@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <CAEPJO1gLBm8868+PrEpCwfptz36gD8C0H9ahdrbV1td8npKq0g@mail.gmail.com>
	<4ED95DF0.12313.7EBA2FC@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<EE84698CD0564784B332976B425AF997@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <C303A211-DD15-477F-8416-BA26F9FFBEAA@phulse.com>

This is wise of Microsoft. Tablets are not meant for that sort of thing. They should nix desktop apps for any and all tablet-like devices ARM or not.

Best regards,
Hans-Christian Andersen


On 2 Dec 2011, at 18:01, "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> Good or bad?
> 
> The ARM desktops will put Microsoft's tablets on the same level as iPad.
> They will just have their apps running off the internet.
> 
> Jim
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
> Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 3:23 PM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: [dba-Tech] No Desktop Apps on Win8 on ARM?
> 
> http://www.zdnet.com/blog/microsoft/microsoft-to-drop-desktop-app-from-windo
> ws-8-arm-tabl
> ets/11325
> 
> -- 
> Stuart
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Sat Dec  3 11:54:17 2011
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2011 18:54:17 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] No Desktop Apps on Win8 on ARM?
Message-ID: <seda7081.068@cactus.dk>

Hi Jim and Stuart

It seems like the right decision. The comment from Joe Raby says it all:

<quote>
The same thing was said
 ...about XP before it shipped.

Ditto for 95.

There will always be heretics.

If you want to 'wow' customers, you have to show them something new and radically different. People aren't impressed with slow, evolutionary updates. Anytime I show the YouTube video of the first Windows 8 demo on Microsoft's channel to a non-techie layman in my store, they think it looks incredible and want to know how soon it's coming out. The Start Menu/Taskbar will be an 18-year old UI design by the time Win8 ships. Computer users are ready for something newer and simpler. 
</quote>

My experience with the YouTube demo is identical. Show it to any "normal" user - those not interested in computers, only what they do. The first unusual thing is that it can catch interest at all, the next is some variant of "wow". It can even catch Mac enthusiasts - a top-notch designer of graphics for broadcast television I showed this ana WP7 phone to, admitted that he was attracted by the clean and non-aggressive design and the "soft" feeling of the interface - he called it European.

Also, think of POS applications where touch screens are widely used. Now everyone will be offered a standard interface.

Of course, you can have a stand for your tablet to place it upright and attach a physical keyboard to mimic a normal pc, but I seriously doubt that this is what people have in mind when they decide for a tablet.

/gustav


>>> accessd at shaw.ca 03-12-2011 03:01 >>>
Good or bad?

The ARM desktops will put Microsoft's tablets on the same level as iPad.
They will just have their apps running off the internet.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 3:23 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] No Desktop Apps on Win8 on ARM?

http://www.zdnet.com/blog/microsoft/microsoft-to-drop-desktop-app-from-windows-8-arm-tablets/11325

-- 
Stuart



From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Sun Dec  4 13:01:12 2011
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2011 14:01:12 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Office 2010 new Insert Screenshot feature
In-Reply-To: <4C604E0C.32179.1826E77F@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <8335B4A509E045B59416FA71AF29DC07@salvationomc4p>,
	<AANLkTikURbv7bJ0sw_xp0etZ5vVHbPXrpivgCfLy3GS8@mail.gmail.com>,
	<B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B00E8F1D330A@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>
	<4C604E0C.32179.1826E77F@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <4EDBC378.6080501@torchlake.com>

Thanks, Stuart,
I learned something new.  Didn't know about that Irfanview feature.
T

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields at torchlake.com
231-322-2787


On 8/9/2010 2:50 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote:
> No ned for PrtScn.
>
> Open Irfanview and hit "C", specify what capture options you want and click start.
>
> Then Ctrl+F11 does the capture ( unkess you have selected ."Custom Rectangle/Region
> capture" in which case it gives you a "capture cursor" immediately.
>
>

From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sun Dec  4 15:45:21 2011
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2011 07:45:21 +1000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Office 2010 new Insert Screenshot feature
In-Reply-To: <4EDBC378.6080501@torchlake.com>
References: <8335B4A509E045B59416FA71AF29DC07@salvationomc4p>,
	<4C604E0C.32179.1826E77F@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>,
	<4EDBC378.6080501@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <4EDBE9F1.8434.11DE8CC2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Replying to a 14 month old post?   Have you just go round to cleaning up your inbox?  :-)

-- 
Stuart

On 4 Dec 2011 at 14:01, Tina Norris Fields wrote:

> Thanks, Stuart,
> I learned something new.  Didn't know about that Irfanview feature.
> T
> 
> Tina Norris Fields
> tinanfields at torchlake.com
> 231-322-2787
> 
> 
> On 8/9/2010 2:50 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote:
> > No ned for PrtScn.
> >
> > Open Irfanview and hit "C", specify what capture options you want and click start.
> >
> > Then Ctrl+F11 does the capture ( unkess you have selected ."Custom Rectangle/Region
> > capture" in which case it gives you a "capture cursor" immediately.
> >
> >
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> 




From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Mon Dec  5 08:16:28 2011
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 09:16:28 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] First Quad-Core Tablet
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1ibH1MtRmoyNj9BvkYcxjKGJQAi7zT2seTK6HhcWAtJBg@mail.gmail.com>

>From slashdot:

*"The Asus Eee Pad Transformer Prime happens to the first Quad-Core Android
Tablet <http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2397083,00.asp>, which also
makes it the fastest and most powerful tablet. The secret ingredient is
Nvidia's five-core Tegra 3 chipset, including four cores which work
together at up to 1.4GHz each and a 'companion core' which runs alone. When
tested on the Antutu system benchmark, the Prime scored a breathtaking
10,619, which is roughly double the score of even fast devices like the HTC
Jetstream. Benchmark results for Sunspider and Browsermark browsing scored
at 17ms and 98324, respectively, which also happened to be amongst the
best. The tablet weighs 1.3 pounds and measures 10.4 by 7.1 inches, but
it's very slim at 0.3 inches."*

-- 
Arthur
Cell: 647.710.1314

Thirty spokes converge on a hub
but it's the emptiness
that makes a wheel work
   -- from the Daodejing

From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Mon Dec  5 13:58:36 2011
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 11:58:36 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] First Quad-Core Tablet
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1ibH1MtRmoyNj9BvkYcxjKGJQAi7zT2seTK6HhcWAtJBg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1ibH1MtRmoyNj9BvkYcxjKGJQAi7zT2seTK6HhcWAtJBg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8CD690BB-C87C-41A4-A437-21B847127F00@phulse.com>


It's going to need all the power it can get to play flash content. :P

- Hans


On 2011-12-05, at 6:16 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote:

> From slashdot:
> 
> *"The Asus Eee Pad Transformer Prime happens to the first Quad-Core Android
> Tablet <http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2397083,00.asp>, which also
> makes it the fastest and most powerful tablet. The secret ingredient is
> Nvidia's five-core Tegra 3 chipset, including four cores which work
> together at up to 1.4GHz each and a 'companion core' which runs alone. When
> tested on the Antutu system benchmark, the Prime scored a breathtaking
> 10,619, which is roughly double the score of even fast devices like the HTC
> Jetstream. Benchmark results for Sunspider and Browsermark browsing scored
> at 17ms and 98324, respectively, which also happened to be amongst the
> best. The tablet weighs 1.3 pounds and measures 10.4 by 7.1 inches, but
> it's very slim at 0.3 inches."*
> 
> -- 
> Arthur
> Cell: 647.710.1314
> 
> Thirty spokes converge on a hub
> but it's the emptiness
> that makes a wheel work
>   -- from the Daodejing
> _______________________________________________
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From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Mon Dec  5 14:09:17 2011
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2011 15:09:17 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Office 2010 new Insert Screenshot feature
In-Reply-To: <4EDBE9F1.8434.11DE8CC2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <8335B4A509E045B59416FA71AF29DC07@salvationomc4p>,
	<4C604E0C.32179.1826E77F@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>,
	<4EDBC378.6080501@torchlake.com>
	<4EDBE9F1.8434.11DE8CC2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <4EDD24ED.3000702@torchlake.com>

Ummmm yup <hanging her head sheepishly>
T

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields at torchlake.com
231-322-2787


On 12/4/2011 4:45 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote:
> Replying to a 14 month old post?   Have you just go round to cleaning up your inbox?  :-)
>

From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Tue Dec  6 08:18:03 2011
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 09:18:03 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 7 $99
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1hOAC3JLujBB7OT17_eJ6ypjz6_Lu+9PUQvY=TQtxuyRg@mail.gmail.com>

Those who haven't upgraded yet may want to, but you have to act within the
next few days. See http://www.infopackets.com/.

Arthur
-- 
Cell: 647.710.1314

Thirty spokes converge on a hub
but it's the emptiness
that makes a wheel work
   -- from the Daodejing

From eptept at gmail.com  Tue Dec  6 09:18:55 2011
From: eptept at gmail.com (Ed Tesiny)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 10:18:55 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 7 $99
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1hOAC3JLujBB7OT17_eJ6ypjz6_Lu+9PUQvY=TQtxuyRg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1hOAC3JLujBB7OT17_eJ6ypjz6_Lu+9PUQvY=TQtxuyRg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAEkqQpWVAs_NdMTFHQQ=-6=YvzJ7rLsHC6+Fhf7pLU-ubAcJvw@mail.gmail.com>

Looks like it's up to $141 now

On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 9:18 AM, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com>wrote:

> Those who haven't upgraded yet may want to, but you have to act within the
> next few days. See http://www.infopackets.com/.
>
> Arthur
> --
> Cell: 647.710.1314
>
> Thirty spokes converge on a hub
> but it's the emptiness
> that makes a wheel work
>   -- from the Daodejing
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From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Tue Dec  6 12:21:16 2011
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2011 13:21:16 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 7 $99
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1hOAC3JLujBB7OT17_eJ6ypjz6_Lu+9PUQvY=TQtxuyRg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1hOAC3JLujBB7OT17_eJ6ypjz6_Lu+9PUQvY=TQtxuyRg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4EDE5D1C.8010108@torchlake.com>

Really nice.  I wish they would make that same offer for the 
Professional version.
T

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields at torchlake.com
231-322-2787


On 12/6/2011 9:18 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote:
> Those who haven't upgraded yet may want to, but you have to act within the
> next few days. See http://www.infopackets.com/.
>
> Arthur

From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Wed Dec  7 07:07:11 2011
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 08:07:11 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Sub-$100 tablet released
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1hvv+QtULuZCLsjZTTn4uhVKRAgv+mULcoiqrjhWSZSgA@mail.gmail.com>

So far, only in China, but available in other countries in the next several
months.
http://www.itworld.com/230459/tablet-priced-under-100-android-40-surfaces.
Incidentally, what's a capacitive screen?

Arthur

-- 
Cell: 647.710.1314

Thirty spokes converge on a hub
but it's the emptiness
that makes a wheel work
   -- from the Daodejing

From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Wed Dec  7 08:59:27 2011
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 06:59:27 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Sub-$100 tablet released
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1hvv+QtULuZCLsjZTTn4uhVKRAgv+mULcoiqrjhWSZSgA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1hvv+QtULuZCLsjZTTn4uhVKRAgv+mULcoiqrjhWSZSgA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E2A5FDE8-A70D-484C-8D9E-CAB691C20107@phulse.com>


Not a terribly fast or powerful tablet, but it's cool none the less. The only thing is that while it is sub-$100 in China, once it comes over here, that price tag is going to go up significantly. Probably double the price, if not more.

> Incidentally, what's a capacitive screen?

I believe that is referring to the touch sensitive aspect of a screen?

- Hans


On 2011-12-07, at 5:07 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote:

> So far, only in China, but available in other countries in the next several
> months.
> http://www.itworld.com/230459/tablet-priced-under-100-android-40-surfaces.
> Incidentally, what's a capacitive screen?
> 
> Arthur
> 
> -- 
> Cell: 647.710.1314
> 
> Thirty spokes converge on a hub
> but it's the emptiness
> that makes a wheel work
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Wed Dec  7 09:23:42 2011
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 10:23:42 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Sub-$100 tablet released
In-Reply-To: <E2A5FDE8-A70D-484C-8D9E-CAB691C20107@phulse.com>
References: <CAEPJO1hvv+QtULuZCLsjZTTn4uhVKRAgv+mULcoiqrjhWSZSgA@mail.gmail.com>
	<E2A5FDE8-A70D-484C-8D9E-CAB691C20107@phulse.com>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1iM8CcB-6cudoALdYD07oDnUqWCTmSFyctUD15hainEPQ@mail.gmail.com>

Not according to that release: they're saying "at similar pricepoints",
which I don't think means more than twice as much.

On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 9:59 AM, Hans-Christian Andersen <
hans.andersen at phulse.com> wrote:

>
> Not a terribly fast or powerful tablet, but it's cool none the less. The
> only thing is that while it is sub-$100 in China, once it comes over here,
> that price tag is going to go up significantly. Probably double the price,
> if not more.
>
>

From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Dec  7 09:53:44 2011
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 07:53:44 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Sub-$100 tablet released
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1hvv+QtULuZCLsjZTTn4uhVKRAgv+mULcoiqrjhWSZSgA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1hvv+QtULuZCLsjZTTn4uhVKRAgv+mULcoiqrjhWSZSgA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <55FBD24D5DBF4D809786A98BF7A98119@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Very impressive Arthur.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 5:07 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] Sub-$100 tablet released

So far, only in China, but available in other countries in the next several
months.
http://www.itworld.com/230459/tablet-priced-under-100-android-40-surfaces.
Incidentally, what's a capacitive screen?

Arthur

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From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Wed Dec  7 11:08:02 2011
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 09:08:02 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Sub-$100 tablet released
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1iM8CcB-6cudoALdYD07oDnUqWCTmSFyctUD15hainEPQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1hvv+QtULuZCLsjZTTn4uhVKRAgv+mULcoiqrjhWSZSgA@mail.gmail.com>
	<E2A5FDE8-A70D-484C-8D9E-CAB691C20107@phulse.com>
	<CAEPJO1iM8CcB-6cudoALdYD07oDnUqWCTmSFyctUD15hainEPQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <691248CA-5E7F-4CCD-A393-33CD9933A3CB@phulse.com>

Ah ok. If true, that might truly be a great gift to give your children. If it breaks, it is no great loss. Pretty cool.

- Hans

Sent from my iPhone

On 2011-12-07, at 7:23 AM, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com> wrote:

> Not according to that release: they're saying "at similar pricepoints",
> which I don't think means more than twice as much.
> 
> On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 9:59 AM, Hans-Christian Andersen <
> hans.andersen at phulse.com> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> Not a terribly fast or powerful tablet, but it's cool none the less. The
>> only thing is that while it is sub-$100 in China, once it comes over here,
>> that price tag is going to go up significantly. Probably double the price,
>> if not more.
>> 
>> 
> _______________________________________________
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From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Wed Dec  7 17:20:15 2011
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 15:20:15 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech]  Former Google intern explains UI lag on Android
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1ibH1MtRmoyNj9BvkYcxjKGJQAi7zT2seTK6HhcWAtJBg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1ibH1MtRmoyNj9BvkYcxjKGJQAi7zT2seTK6HhcWAtJBg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A003A73B-59CD-48F9-8C86-15B8F7522527@phulse.com>


http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/11/12/07/former_google_intern_explains_why_ui_lag_occurs_more_often_in_android_than_ios.html


"According to Munn, the reason behind the design change is that the original Android prototype didn't have a touchscreen, as it was meant to be a BlackBerry competitor. As such, Android's architecture is meant to support a keyboard and trackball. Munn further claimed that after the original iPhone arrived in 2007, Google rushed to complete Android, but "it was too late to rewrite the UI framework."

He cited Windows Mobile 6.5,  BlackBerry OS and Symbian as examples of other older operating systems that suffered similar problems with touch performance. Microsoft,  RIM and Nokia have all abandoned those OSes in order to start from scratch. "Android is the only mobile OS left that existed pre-iPhone," the report noted."

- Hans

From kathryn at bassett.net  Wed Dec  7 19:37:25 2011
From: kathryn at bassett.net (Kathryn Bassett)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 17:37:25 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Sub-$100 tablet released
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1hvv+QtULuZCLsjZTTn4uhVKRAgv+mULcoiqrjhWSZSgA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1hvv+QtULuZCLsjZTTn4uhVKRAgv+mULcoiqrjhWSZSgA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <016d01ccb549$f0514600$d0f3d200$@net>

Arthur asked:
> Incidentally, what's a capacitive screen?

http://tinyurl.com/7b27lfh


--
Kathryn Rhinehart Bassett (Pasadena CA)
"Genealogy is my bag" "GH is my soap"
kathryn at bassett.net
http://bassett.net?? 





From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Fri Dec  9 09:03:15 2011
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2011 10:03:15 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: I Didn't Make this Up
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1jaXzgKwBdwQ_KH2WEpeu_1TLSU2s9=mvcgXMUPChhCkA@mail.gmail.com>

I'm quoting from today's newspaper...

"Recently passed U.S. Senate legislation would make sodomy and sex with
animals legal under military law, ending long-standing prohibitions and
triggering cries of perversion from conservative groups.
"The bill would repeal Article 125 of the Uniform Code of Military Justice,
which states that any person who engages in "unnatural carnal copulation
with another person of the same or opposite sex or with an animal is guilty
of sodomy."

This most definitely gives me, at least, several occasions to pause:

a) implication that liberals had no objections? And what about Ralph
Nader's party?
b) "unnatural carnal copulation" raises several flags, including "natural"
vs. "unnatural", "carnal copulation vs. umm?"
c) "or with an animal"... of either sex?

-- 
Cell: 647.710.1314

Thirty spokes converge on a hub
but it's the emptiness
that makes a wheel work
   -- from the Daodejing

From df.waters at comcast.net  Fri Dec  9 09:17:38 2011
From: df.waters at comcast.net (Dan Waters)
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2011 09:17:38 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: I Didn't Make this Up
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1jaXzgKwBdwQ_KH2WEpeu_1TLSU2s9=mvcgXMUPChhCkA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1jaXzgKwBdwQ_KH2WEpeu_1TLSU2s9=mvcgXMUPChhCkA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000001ccb685$afeb49c0$0fc1dd40$@comcast.net>

I agree.  We need to get government out of our bedrooms, tents, foxholes,
and pastures!

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Friday, December 09, 2011 9:03 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: I Didn't Make this Up

I'm quoting from today's newspaper...

"Recently passed U.S. Senate legislation would make sodomy and sex with
animals legal under military law, ending long-standing prohibitions and
triggering cries of perversion from conservative groups.
"The bill would repeal Article 125 of the Uniform Code of Military Justice,
which states that any person who engages in "unnatural carnal copulation
with another person of the same or opposite sex or with an animal is guilty
of sodomy."

This most definitely gives me, at least, several occasions to pause:

a) implication that liberals had no objections? And what about Ralph Nader's
party?
b) "unnatural carnal copulation" raises several flags, including "natural"
vs. "unnatural", "carnal copulation vs. umm?"
c) "or with an animal"... of either sex?

--
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Thirty spokes converge on a hub
but it's the emptiness
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From michael at mattysconsulting.com  Fri Dec  9 10:07:16 2011
From: michael at mattysconsulting.com (Michael Mattys)
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2011 11:07:16 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: I Didn't Make this Up
In-Reply-To: <000001ccb685$afeb49c0$0fc1dd40$@comcast.net>
References: <CAEPJO1jaXzgKwBdwQ_KH2WEpeu_1TLSU2s9=mvcgXMUPChhCkA@mail.gmail.com>
	<000001ccb685$afeb49c0$0fc1dd40$@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <003d01ccb68c$a00d61d0$e0282570$@mattysconsulting.com>

Did anyone take the time to determine why it was outlawed in the first
place?
Perhaps there's an amusing twist here ... lol, what do we need "government"
for, anyway?

Michael R Mattys
Mattys Consulting, LLC
www.mattysconsulting.com


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Friday, December 09, 2011 10:18 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] OT: I Didn't Make this Up

I agree.  We need to get government out of our bedrooms, tents, foxholes,
and pastures!

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Friday, December 09, 2011 9:03 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: I Didn't Make this Up

I'm quoting from today's newspaper...

"Recently passed U.S. Senate legislation would make sodomy and sex with
animals legal under military law, ending long-standing prohibitions and
triggering cries of perversion from conservative groups.
"The bill would repeal Article 125 of the Uniform Code of Military Justice,
which states that any person who engages in "unnatural carnal copulation
with another person of the same or opposite sex or with an animal is guilty
of sodomy."

This most definitely gives me, at least, several occasions to pause:

a) implication that liberals had no objections? And what about Ralph Nader's
party?
b) "unnatural carnal copulation" raises several flags, including "natural"
vs. "unnatural", "carnal copulation vs. umm?"
c) "or with an animal"... of either sex?

--
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Thirty spokes converge on a hub
but it's the emptiness
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From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Fri Dec  9 10:09:48 2011
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2011 08:09:48 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: I Didn't Make this Up
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1jaXzgKwBdwQ_KH2WEpeu_1TLSU2s9=mvcgXMUPChhCkA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1jaXzgKwBdwQ_KH2WEpeu_1TLSU2s9=mvcgXMUPChhCkA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E1A3C04E-359D-4D00-8F2F-381BE57589B8@phulse.com>


Notice how there is no mention of extraterrestrials?

*puts on tin foil hat*

- Hans




On 2011-12-09, at 7:03 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote:

> I'm quoting from today's newspaper...
> 
> "Recently passed U.S. Senate legislation would make sodomy and sex with
> animals legal under military law, ending long-standing prohibitions and
> triggering cries of perversion from conservative groups.
> "The bill would repeal Article 125 of the Uniform Code of Military Justice,
> which states that any person who engages in "unnatural carnal copulation
> with another person of the same or opposite sex or with an animal is guilty
> of sodomy."
> 
> This most definitely gives me, at least, several occasions to pause:
> 
> a) implication that liberals had no objections? And what about Ralph
> Nader's party?
> b) "unnatural carnal copulation" raises several flags, including "natural"
> vs. "unnatural", "carnal copulation vs. umm?"
> c) "or with an animal"... of either sex?
> 
> -- 
> Cell: 647.710.1314
> 
> Thirty spokes converge on a hub
> but it's the emptiness
> that makes a wheel work
>   -- from the Daodejing
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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Fri Dec  9 10:14:58 2011
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2011 11:14:58 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: I Didn't Make this Up
References: <CAEPJO1jaXzgKwBdwQ_KH2WEpeu_1TLSU2s9=mvcgXMUPChhCkA@mail.gmail.com><000001ccb685$afeb49c0$0fc1dd40$@comcast.net>
	<003d01ccb68c$a00d61d0$e0282570$@mattysconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <20C9B645900B4577BC07E6297C0FA564@SusanHarkins>

Well, at the very least,  it's difficult to get a sheep's consent.

Susan H.


> Did anyone take the time to determine why it was outlawed in the first
> place?
> Perhaps there's an amusing twist here ... lol, what do we need 
> "government"
> for, anyway?
>
>
> I agree.  We need to get government out of our bedrooms, tents, foxholes,
> and pastures!
>
>
> I'm quoting from today's newspaper...
>
> "Recently passed U.S. Senate legislation would make sodomy and sex with
> animals legal under military law, ending long-standing prohibitions and
> triggering cries of perversion from conservative groups.
> "The bill would repeal Article 125 of the Uniform Code of Military 
> Justice,
> which states that any person who engages in "unnatural carnal copulation
> with another person of the same or opposite sex or with an animal is 
> guilty
> of sodomy."
>
> This most definitely gives me, at least, several occasions to pause:
>
> a) implication that liberals had no objections? And what about Ralph 
> Nader's
> party?
> b) "unnatural carnal copulation" raises several flags, including "natural"
> vs. "unnatural", "carnal copulation vs. umm?"
> c) "or with an animal"... of either sex?
>


From jon.tydda at lonza.com  Fri Dec  9 10:12:00 2011
From: jon.tydda at lonza.com (Tydda Jon - Slough)
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2011 17:12:00 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: I Didn't Make this Up
In-Reply-To: <20C9B645900B4577BC07E6297C0FA564@SusanHarkins>
References: <CAEPJO1jaXzgKwBdwQ_KH2WEpeu_1TLSU2s9=mvcgXMUPChhCkA@mail.gmail.com><000001ccb685$afeb49c0$0fc1dd40$@comcast.net>
	<003d01ccb68c$a00d61d0$e0282570$@mattysconsulting.com>
	<20C9B645900B4577BC07E6297C0FA564@SusanHarkins>
Message-ID: <A750CC0AAE63CB489C58478FF67DE6321B0497E990@chvex03.lonzagroup.net>

One baa for yes, two for no?


Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: 09 December 2011 16:15
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] OT: I Didn't Make this Up

Well, at the very least,  it's difficult to get a sheep's consent.

Susan H.


> Did anyone take the time to determine why it was outlawed in the first
> place?
> Perhaps there's an amusing twist here ... lol, what do we need
> "government"
> for, anyway?
>
>
> I agree.  We need to get government out of our bedrooms, tents,
> foxholes, and pastures!
>
>
> I'm quoting from today's newspaper...
>
> "Recently passed U.S. Senate legislation would make sodomy and sex
> with animals legal under military law, ending long-standing
> prohibitions and triggering cries of perversion from conservative groups.
> "The bill would repeal Article 125 of the Uniform Code of Military
> Justice, which states that any person who engages in "unnatural carnal
> copulation with another person of the same or opposite sex or with an
> animal is guilty of sodomy."
>
> This most definitely gives me, at least, several occasions to pause:
>
> a) implication that liberals had no objections? And what about Ralph
> Nader's party?
> b) "unnatural carnal copulation" raises several flags, including "natural"
> vs. "unnatural", "carnal copulation vs. umm?"
> c) "or with an animal"... of either sex?
>

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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Fri Dec  9 10:20:52 2011
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2011 08:20:52 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: I Didn't Make this Up
In-Reply-To: <003d01ccb68c$a00d61d0$e0282570$@mattysconsulting.com>
References: <CAEPJO1jaXzgKwBdwQ_KH2WEpeu_1TLSU2s9=mvcgXMUPChhCkA@mail.gmail.com><000001ccb685$afeb49c0$0fc1dd40$@comcast.net>
	<003d01ccb68c$a00d61d0$e0282570$@mattysconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <95CB340071364612AD3CF7E4B131268D@HAL9007>

Don't we need to protect the precious bodily fluids of our national
livestock from cross-species adulteration?

R


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Michael Mattys
Sent: Friday, December 09, 2011 8:07 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] OT: I Didn't Make this Up

Did anyone take the time to determine why it was outlawed in the first
place?
Perhaps there's an amusing twist here ... lol, what do we need "government"
for, anyway?

Michael R Mattys
Mattys Consulting, LLC
www.mattysconsulting.com


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Friday, December 09, 2011 10:18 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] OT: I Didn't Make this Up

I agree.  We need to get government out of our bedrooms, tents, foxholes,
and pastures!

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Friday, December 09, 2011 9:03 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: I Didn't Make this Up

I'm quoting from today's newspaper...

"Recently passed U.S. Senate legislation would make sodomy and sex with
animals legal under military law, ending long-standing prohibitions and
triggering cries of perversion from conservative groups.
"The bill would repeal Article 125 of the Uniform Code of Military Justice,
which states that any person who engages in "unnatural carnal copulation
with another person of the same or opposite sex or with an animal is guilty
of sodomy."

This most definitely gives me, at least, several occasions to pause:

a) implication that liberals had no objections? And what about Ralph Nader's
party?
b) "unnatural carnal copulation" raises several flags, including "natural"
vs. "unnatural", "carnal copulation vs. umm?"
c) "or with an animal"... of either sex?

--
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Fri Dec  9 10:39:15 2011
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2011 11:39:15 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: I Didn't Make this Up
In-Reply-To: <95CB340071364612AD3CF7E4B131268D@HAL9007>
References: <CAEPJO1jaXzgKwBdwQ_KH2WEpeu_1TLSU2s9=mvcgXMUPChhCkA@mail.gmail.com>
	<000001ccb685$afeb49c0$0fc1dd40$@comcast.net>
	<003d01ccb68c$a00d61d0$e0282570$@mattysconsulting.com>
	<95CB340071364612AD3CF7E4B131268D@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1i70_ddJ4=m5OMwzqe3AknR7B-D4SG-XoAM11t5d0AbNg@mail.gmail.com>

Don't be so hasty, Rocky! In certain unmentioned societies be a purpose for
people cross-bred with obedient sheep. :) However, the converse is also
true: certain societies might well have a use for sheep that can do math.

In both situations, we need to preserve some originals of both species, if
only for further experiments, such as humans+bats=soldiers able to war in
the dark, using only sonic data.

A.

On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at 11:20 AM, Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>wrote:

> Don't we need to protect the precious bodily fluids of our national
> livestock from cross-species adulteration?
>
> R
>
>
>

From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Fri Dec  9 10:39:47 2011
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2011 11:39:47 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: I Didn't Make this Up
In-Reply-To: <A750CC0AAE63CB489C58478FF67DE6321B0497E990@chvex03.lonzagroup.net>
References: <CAEPJO1jaXzgKwBdwQ_KH2WEpeu_1TLSU2s9=mvcgXMUPChhCkA@mail.gmail.com>
	<000001ccb685$afeb49c0$0fc1dd40$@comcast.net>
	<003d01ccb68c$a00d61d0$e0282570$@mattysconsulting.com>
	<20C9B645900B4577BC07E6297C0FA564@SusanHarkins>
	<A750CC0AAE63CB489C58478FF67DE6321B0497E990@chvex03.lonzagroup.net>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1i0Jccks1E4dUd4nnSCm-SkSoFh6hrjTw41N7pK9tK7Ow@mail.gmail.com>

To elevate the tone of this thread somewhat, has anyone seen "The Diving
Bell and the Butterfly", based on a true story of an editor of Elle
magazine, who suffered a stroke and then, unable to move anything but one
eyelid, wrote a book about his life and his stroke and the subsequent
events? It was directed by Julian Shnabel, also famous for his paintings,
and IMHO stands as perhaps the greatest movie ever made. It has nothing at
all to do with sex with animals, but rather "one baa for yes, two for no".
His nurses and therapists presented him with a slate of the alphabet, but
not in alphabetic order, but rather in order of frequency of use.

Not only is the story itself remarkable, but the filming of it is utterly
extraordinary. I've seen thousands of films, I've even studied the history
of film when in university, and seen thousands of films since. This one is
IMHO a masterpiece.

A.

On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at 11:12 AM, Tydda Jon - Slough <jon.tydda at lonza.com>wrote:

> One baa for yes, two for no?
>
>

From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Fri Dec  9 10:42:36 2011
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2011 08:42:36 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: I Didn't Make this Up
In-Reply-To: <20C9B645900B4577BC07E6297C0FA564@SusanHarkins>
References: <CAEPJO1jaXzgKwBdwQ_KH2WEpeu_1TLSU2s9=mvcgXMUPChhCkA@mail.gmail.com><000001ccb685$afeb49c0$0fc1dd40$@comcast.net><003d01ccb68c$a00d61d0$e0282570$@mattysconsulting.com>
	<20C9B645900B4577BC07E6297C0FA564@SusanHarkins>
Message-ID: <112A4F38A0FF4958A8046751EF45FB61@HAL9007>

Really?  Isn't that why they call them sheep?

R
 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Friday, December 09, 2011 8:15 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] OT: I Didn't Make this Up

Well, at the very least,  it's difficult to get a sheep's consent.

Susan H.


> Did anyone take the time to determine why it was outlawed in the first 
> place?
> Perhaps there's an amusing twist here ... lol, what do we need 
> "government"
> for, anyway?
>
>
> I agree.  We need to get government out of our bedrooms, tents, 
> foxholes, and pastures!
>
>
> I'm quoting from today's newspaper...
>
> "Recently passed U.S. Senate legislation would make sodomy and sex 
> with animals legal under military law, ending long-standing 
> prohibitions and triggering cries of perversion from conservative groups.
> "The bill would repeal Article 125 of the Uniform Code of Military 
> Justice, which states that any person who engages in "unnatural carnal 
> copulation with another person of the same or opposite sex or with an 
> animal is guilty of sodomy."
>
> This most definitely gives me, at least, several occasions to pause:
>
> a) implication that liberals had no objections? And what about Ralph 
> Nader's party?
> b) "unnatural carnal copulation" raises several flags, including "natural"
> vs. "unnatural", "carnal copulation vs. umm?"
> c) "or with an animal"... of either sex?
>

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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Fri Dec  9 10:44:27 2011
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2011 08:44:27 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: I Didn't Make this Up
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1i70_ddJ4=m5OMwzqe3AknR7B-D4SG-XoAM11t5d0AbNg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1jaXzgKwBdwQ_KH2WEpeu_1TLSU2s9=mvcgXMUPChhCkA@mail.gmail.com><000001ccb685$afeb49c0$0fc1dd40$@comcast.net><003d01ccb68c$a00d61d0$e0282570$@mattysconsulting.com><95CB340071364612AD3CF7E4B131268D@HAL9007>
	<CAEPJO1i70_ddJ4=m5OMwzqe3AknR7B-D4SG-XoAM11t5d0AbNg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0E23907763884557AF76B22FFA25E104@HAL9007>

Apostate!  (I'll pray for your soul.)

R
 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Friday, December 09, 2011 8:39 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] OT: I Didn't Make this Up

Don't be so hasty, Rocky! In certain unmentioned societies be a purpose for
people cross-bred with obedient sheep. :) However, the converse is also
true: certain societies might well have a use for sheep that can do math.

In both situations, we need to preserve some originals of both species, if
only for further experiments, such as humans+bats=soldiers able to war in
the dark, using only sonic data.

A.

On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at 11:20 AM, Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>wrote:

> Don't we need to protect the precious bodily fluids of our national 
> livestock from cross-species adulteration?
>
> R
>
>
>
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From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Fri Dec  9 11:08:04 2011
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2011 12:08:04 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: I Didn't Make this Up
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1i70_ddJ4=m5OMwzqe3AknR7B-D4SG-XoAM11t5d0AbNg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1jaXzgKwBdwQ_KH2WEpeu_1TLSU2s9=mvcgXMUPChhCkA@mail.gmail.com><000001ccb685$afeb49c0$0fc1dd40$@comcast.net><003
	d01ccb68c$a00d61d0$e0282570$@mattysconsulting.com><95CB340071364612AD3CF7E4B131268D@HAL9007>
	<CAEPJO1i70_ddJ4=m5OMwzqe3AknR7B-D4SG-XoAM11t5d0AbNg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4EE24074.1050902@torchlake.com>

Made me laugh, it did!
T

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields at torchlake.com
231-322-2787


On 12/9/2011 11:39 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote:
> Don't be so hasty, Rocky! In certain unmentioned societies be a purpose for
> people cross-bred with obedient sheep. :) However, the converse is also
> true: certain societies might well have a use for sheep that can do math.
>
> In both situations, we need to preserve some originals of both species, if
> only for further experiments, such as humans+bats=soldiers able to war in
> the dark, using only sonic data.
>
> A.
>
> On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at 11:20 AM, Rocky Smolin<rockysmolin at bchacc.com>wrote:
>
>> Don't we need to protect the precious bodily fluids of our national
>> livestock from cross-species adulteration?
>>
>> R
>>
>>
>>
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Fri Dec  9 15:20:47 2011
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 07:20:47 +1000
Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: I Didn't Make this Up
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1jaXzgKwBdwQ_KH2WEpeu_1TLSU2s9=mvcgXMUPChhCkA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1jaXzgKwBdwQ_KH2WEpeu_1TLSU2s9=mvcgXMUPChhCkA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4EE27BAF.18650.18D10511@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Legalese:
"carnal copulation" is the insertion of the p*n*s into any bodily orifice.
"unnatural" carnal copulation is  an*l or oral  as opposed to v*g*n*l.

Note that both  oral and an*l sex between a consenting  man and a woman are a crime under 
the section as written.  IOW, it is a currently a crime against this section for a wife to give her 
husband a BJ  if either party is in the Military..

Without knowing what other sections still exist  or have been added to replace the repealed 
section, it is impossible to say what acts have actually been decriminalised by the 
amendments.


-- 
Stuart

On 9 Dec 2011 at 10:03, Arthur Fuller wrote:

> I'm quoting from today's newspaper...
> 
> "Recently passed U.S. Senate legislation would make sodomy and sex with
> animals legal under military law, ending long-standing prohibitions and
> triggering cries of perversion from conservative groups.
> "The bill would repeal Article 125 of the Uniform Code of Military Justice,
> which states that any person who engages in "unnatural carnal copulation
> with another person of the same or opposite sex or with an animal is guilty
> of sodomy."
> 
> This most definitely gives me, at least, several occasions to pause:
> 
> a) implication that liberals had no objections? And what about Ralph
> Nader's party?
> b) "unnatural carnal copulation" raises several flags, including "natural"
> vs. "unnatural", "carnal copulation vs. umm?"
> c) "or with an animal"... of either sex?
> 
> -- 
> Cell: 647.710.1314
> 
> Thirty spokes converge on a hub
> but it's the emptiness
> that makes a wheel work
>    -- from the Daodejing
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From peter.brawley at earthlink.net  Fri Dec  9 15:28:16 2011
From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley)
Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2011 15:28:16 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: I Didn't Make this Up
In-Reply-To: <4EE27BAF.18650.18D10511@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <CAEPJO1jaXzgKwBdwQ_KH2WEpeu_1TLSU2s9=mvcgXMUPChhCkA@mail.gmail.com>
	<4EE27BAF.18650.18D10511@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <4EE27D70.5080600@earthlink.net>

On 12/9/2011 3:20 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote:
> Legalese:
> "carnal copulation" is the insertion of the p*n*s into any bodily orifice.
> "unnatural" carnal copulation is  an*l or oral  as opposed to v*g*n*l.
>
> Note that both  oral and an*l sex between a consenting  man and a woman are a crime under
> the section as written.  IOW, it is a currently a crime against this section for a wife to give her
> husband a BJ  if either party is in the Military..
What a country :-) , let's all teleport back to the 18th century.

PB

------

>
> Without knowing what other sections still exist  or have been added to replace the repealed
> section, it is impossible to say what acts have actually been decriminalised by the
> amendments.
>
>

From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Fri Dec  9 15:55:52 2011
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2011 16:55:52 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: I Didn't Make this Up
In-Reply-To: <4EE27D70.5080600@earthlink.net>
References: <CAEPJO1jaXzgKwBdwQ_KH2WEpeu_1TLSU2s9=mvcgXMUPChhCkA@mail.gmail.com><4EE27BAF.18650.18D10511@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<4EE27D70.5080600@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <4EE283E8.70301@torchlake.com>

Dear Peter,
Many of the laws we decry were invented back then.  I think I'd rather 
stay here and help straighten up the mess.  :-)
T

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields at torchlake.com
231-322-2787


On 12/9/2011 4:28 PM, Peter Brawley wrote:
> On 12/9/2011 3:20 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote:
>> Legalese:
>> "carnal copulation" is the insertion of the p*n*s into any bodily 
>> orifice.
>> "unnatural" carnal copulation is  an*l or oral  as opposed to v*g*n*l.
>>
>> Note that both  oral and an*l sex between a consenting  man and a 
>> woman are a crime under
>> the section as written.  IOW, it is a currently a crime against this 
>> section for a wife to give her
>> husband a BJ  if either party is in the Military..
> What a country :-) , let's all teleport back to the 18th century.
>
> PB
>
> ------
>
>>
>> Without knowing what other sections still exist  or have been added 
>> to replace the repealed
>> section, it is impossible to say what acts have actually been 
>> decriminalised by the
>> amendments.
>>
>>
> _______________________________________________
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> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
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>

From peter.brawley at earthlink.net  Fri Dec  9 16:01:17 2011
From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley)
Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2011 16:01:17 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: I Didn't Make this Up
In-Reply-To: <4EE283E8.70301@torchlake.com>
References: <CAEPJO1jaXzgKwBdwQ_KH2WEpeu_1TLSU2s9=mvcgXMUPChhCkA@mail.gmail.com><4EE27BAF.18650.18D10511@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<4EE27D70.5080600@earthlink.net> <4EE283E8.70301@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <4EE2852D.2030703@earthlink.net>

On 12/9/2011 3:55 PM, Tina Norris Fields wrote:
> Dear Peter,
> Many of the laws we decry were invented back then.  I think I'd rather 
> stay here and help straighten up the mess.  :-)
Heh, it's not going to happen in a country where corporations can buy 
any election they like and the politicians they own are loyal to 
delusional hard right religionists.

P.

-----
> T
>
> Tina Norris Fields
> tinanfields at torchlake.com
> 231-322-2787
>
>
> On 12/9/2011 4:28 PM, Peter Brawley wrote:
>> On 12/9/2011 3:20 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote:
>>> Legalese:
>>> "carnal copulation" is the insertion of the p*n*s into any bodily 
>>> orifice.
>>> "unnatural" carnal copulation is  an*l or oral  as opposed to v*g*n*l.
>>>
>>> Note that both  oral and an*l sex between a consenting  man and a 
>>> woman are a crime under
>>> the section as written.  IOW, it is a currently a crime against this 
>>> section for a wife to give her
>>> husband a BJ  if either party is in the Military..
>> What a country :-) , let's all teleport back to the 18th century.
>>
>> PB
>>
>> ------
>>
>>>
>>> Without knowing what other sections still exist  or have been added 
>>> to replace the repealed
>>> section, it is impossible to say what acts have actually been 
>>> decriminalised by the
>>> amendments.
>>>
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> dba-Tech mailing list
>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Fri Dec  9 17:58:59 2011
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2011 18:58:59 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: I Didn't Make this Up
In-Reply-To: <4EE2852D.2030703@earthlink.net>
References: <CAEPJO1jaXzgKwBdwQ_KH2WEpeu_1TLSU2s9=mvcgXMUPChhCkA@mail.gmail.com>
	<4EE27BAF.18650.18D10511@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<4EE27D70.5080600@earthlink.net> <4EE283E8.70301@torchlake.com>
	<4EE2852D.2030703@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1jEZy8mL_fJFDLtUGJU0O+MvJU23s=kb_Nv20tcpnu6UQ@mail.gmail.com>

Or to paraphrase Stephen Colbert, "What good is money unless you can buy
elections? I mean, how many mansions can you own before it's not worth the
headache of hiring illegals to maintain them?"

A.

On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at 5:01 PM, Peter Brawley
<peter.brawley at earthlink.net>wrote:

> On 12/9/2011 3:55 PM, Tina Norris Fields wrote:
>
>> Dear Peter,
>> Many of the laws we decry were invented back then.  I think I'd rather
>> stay here and help straighten up the mess.  :-)
>>
> Heh, it's not going to happen in a country where corporations can buy any
> election they like and the politicians they own are loyal to delusional
> hard right religionists.
>
> P.
>
>

From peter.brawley at earthlink.net  Fri Dec  9 18:08:34 2011
From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley)
Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2011 18:08:34 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: I Didn't Make this Up
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1jEZy8mL_fJFDLtUGJU0O+MvJU23s=kb_Nv20tcpnu6UQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1jaXzgKwBdwQ_KH2WEpeu_1TLSU2s9=mvcgXMUPChhCkA@mail.gmail.com>
	<4EE27BAF.18650.18D10511@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<4EE27D70.5080600@earthlink.net> <4EE283E8.70301@torchlake.com>
	<4EE2852D.2030703@earthlink.net>
	<CAEPJO1jEZy8mL_fJFDLtUGJU0O+MvJU23s=kb_Nv20tcpnu6UQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4EE2A302.8010009@earthlink.net>

On 12/9/2011 5:58 PM, Arthur Fuller wrote:
> Or to paraphrase Stephen Colbert, "What good is money unless you can buy
> elections? I mean, how many mansions can you own before it's not worth the
> headache of hiring illegals to maintain them?"
LOL.

When are US liberals going to wake up?

P.
>
> A.
>
> On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at 5:01 PM, Peter Brawley
> <peter.brawley at earthlink.net>wrote:
>
>> On 12/9/2011 3:55 PM, Tina Norris Fields wrote:
>>
>>> Dear Peter,
>>> Many of the laws we decry were invented back then.  I think I'd rather
>>> stay here and help straighten up the mess.  :-)
>>>
>> Heh, it's not going to happen in a country where corporations can buy any
>> election they like and the politicians they own are loyal to delusional
>> hard right religionists.
>>
>> P.
>>
>>
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Fri Dec  9 18:39:52 2011
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2011 16:39:52 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: I Didn't Make this Up
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1jEZy8mL_fJFDLtUGJU0O+MvJU23s=kb_Nv20tcpnu6UQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1jaXzgKwBdwQ_KH2WEpeu_1TLSU2s9=mvcgXMUPChhCkA@mail.gmail.com><4EE27BAF.18650.18D10511@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg><4EE27D70.5080600@earthlink.net>
	<4EE283E8.70301@torchlake.com><4EE2852D.2030703@earthlink.net>
	<CAEPJO1jEZy8mL_fJFDLtUGJU0O+MvJU23s=kb_Nv20tcpnu6UQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <657944585AEE4D93B8C8A6744327C4DF@HAL9007>

I heard the economy's so bad Exxon-Mobil had to lay off 12 congressmen.
(ba-da-boom)

Rocky
 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Friday, December 09, 2011 3:59 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] OT: I Didn't Make this Up

Or to paraphrase Stephen Colbert, "What good is money unless you can buy
elections? I mean, how many mansions can you own before it's not worth the
headache of hiring illegals to maintain them?"

A.

On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at 5:01 PM, Peter Brawley
<peter.brawley at earthlink.net>wrote:

> On 12/9/2011 3:55 PM, Tina Norris Fields wrote:
>
>> Dear Peter,
>> Many of the laws we decry were invented back then.  I think I'd 
>> rather stay here and help straighten up the mess.  :-)
>>
> Heh, it's not going to happen in a country where corporations can buy 
> any election they like and the politicians they own are loyal to 
> delusional hard right religionists.
>
> P.
>
>
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Fri Dec  9 21:27:26 2011
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2011 22:27:26 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: I Didn't Make this Up
In-Reply-To: <657944585AEE4D93B8C8A6744327C4DF@HAL9007>
References: <CAEPJO1jaXzgKwBdwQ_KH2WEpeu_1TLSU2s9=mvcgXMUPChhCkA@mail.gmail.com>
	<4EE27BAF.18650.18D10511@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<4EE27D70.5080600@earthlink.net> <4EE283E8.70301@torchlake.com>
	<4EE2852D.2030703@earthlink.net>
	<CAEPJO1jEZy8mL_fJFDLtUGJU0O+MvJU23s=kb_Nv20tcpnu6UQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<657944585AEE4D93B8C8A6744327C4DF@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1gVa34JUhdj5nittT4F8AyTbaep6rCUpQuFesrOZuv48g@mail.gmail.com>

LOL! Double-LOL!

On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at 7:39 PM, Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:

> I heard the economy's so bad Exxon-Mobil had to lay off 12 congressmen.
> (ba-da-boom)
>
> Rocky
>
>

From michael at mattysconsulting.com  Sat Dec 10 06:50:14 2011
From: michael at mattysconsulting.com (Michael Mattys)
Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 07:50:14 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: I Didn't Make this Up
In-Reply-To: <4EE2852D.2030703@earthlink.net>
References: <CAEPJO1jaXzgKwBdwQ_KH2WEpeu_1TLSU2s9=mvcgXMUPChhCkA@mail.gmail.com><4EE27BAF.18650.18D10511@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>	<4EE27D70.5080600@earthlink.net>
	<4EE283E8.70301@torchlake.com> <4EE2852D.2030703@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <005a01ccb73a$43b93860$cb2ba920$@mattysconsulting.com>

It's not going to happen anywhere ...
Human beings cannot live together for very long.

Did you know that there have been over 30,000 wars over 6,000 years?
Can you count the number of books containing laws that have been written?

We don't know right from wrong, regardless of how 'advanced' our technology
gets.

Michael R Mattys
Mattys Consulting, LLC
www.mattysconsulting.com


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Peter Brawley
Sent: Friday, December 09, 2011 5:01 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] OT: I Didn't Make this Up

On 12/9/2011 3:55 PM, Tina Norris Fields wrote:
> Dear Peter,
> Many of the laws we decry were invented back then.  I think I'd rather 
> stay here and help straighten up the mess.  :-)
Heh, it's not going to happen in a country where corporations can buy any
election they like and the politicians they own are loyal to delusional hard
right religionists.

P.

-----
> T
>
> Tina Norris Fields
> tinanfields at torchlake.com
> 231-322-2787
>
>
> On 12/9/2011 4:28 PM, Peter Brawley wrote:
>> On 12/9/2011 3:20 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote:
>>> Legalese:
>>> "carnal copulation" is the insertion of the p*n*s into any bodily 
>>> orifice.
>>> "unnatural" carnal copulation is  an*l or oral  as opposed to v*g*n*l.
>>>
>>> Note that both  oral and an*l sex between a consenting  man and a 
>>> woman are a crime under the section as written.  IOW, it is a 
>>> currently a crime against this section for a wife to give her 
>>> husband a BJ  if either party is in the Military..
>> What a country :-) , let's all teleport back to the 18th century.
>>
>> PB
>>
>> ------
>>
>>>
>>> Without knowing what other sections still exist  or have been added 
>>> to replace the repealed
>>> section, it is impossible to say what acts have actually been 
>>> decriminalised by the
>>> amendments.
>>>
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> dba-Tech mailing list
>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
> _______________________________________________
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Sat Dec 10 09:03:51 2011
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 10:03:51 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Perfect for your young kids
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1igX9mGNyX+UgvJZuWCL4+sqG+siqWk9SWN8TFUNrK7XA@mail.gmail.com>

This from slashdot...

"Buckminster Fuller eat your heart out ? LA-based design firm Scout Regalia
has created a mail-order template for a geodesic gingerbread house that you
can make at home. When you order a Gingerbread Geodesic Dome, you will
receive a cardboard template that is very simple to put together. You then
bake the gingerbread and cut it into little hexagons that are then 'glued'
to the dome shell with icing."

Arthur
-- 
Cell: 647.710.1314

Thirty spokes converge on a hub
but it's the emptiness
that makes a wheel work
   -- from the Daodejing

From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon Dec 12 07:34:54 2011
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 05:34:54 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] 10 technologies that are just plain broken
Message-ID: <4658116F6DFE4DBAB57C4CE4A67855E8@HAL9007>

http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/10things/10-technologies-that-are-just-plai
n-broken/2896?tag=nl.e101
 
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> 
www.e-z-mrp.com <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/> 
Skype: rocky.smolin
 

From john at winhaven.net  Mon Dec 12 16:39:27 2011
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 16:39:27 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Gmail - is there a preview pane option?
Message-ID: <02b701ccb91e$e7ea6f40$b7bf4dc0$@winhaven.net>

Hey Gmail users - is there any way to get a preview pane of the email the
way you can with Outlook. If not native maybe an add-in?

TIA
John B


From ssharkins at gmail.com  Mon Dec 12 16:58:46 2011
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 17:58:46 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Gmail - is there a preview pane option?
References: <02b701ccb91e$e7ea6f40$b7bf4dc0$@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <1F63006B0CB74EE298AD6007303B291F@SusanHarkins>

I hate their web interface. They just upgraded it and it's a bit cleaner, 
but still a pia.

Susan H.


> Hey Gmail users - is there any way to get a preview pane of the email the
> way you can with Outlook. If not native maybe an add-in?
>


From marklbreen at gmail.com  Mon Dec 12 16:54:32 2011
From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 22:54:32 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] How to problematically (or by other automation) control
 an ActiveX control in IE
Message-ID: <CAGXtTCjxm3ZYKeqCP9V26zs2oNZMMducbsvVPyqXUXHGocbzLA@mail.gmail.com>

Hello All,

I arrived into a customer today with the intention of preparing for a
project to automate a process for placing orders in an online database.

The process today is that the user sits for four hours and copy and pastes
from Excel into a browser.  I was hoping to use Selenium to automate that.

However, I was disappointed to note that the website is actually an ActiveX
control running in IE.

That leaves me with options such as

a) using other macro software, attempt to automate the process
b) find out how to programatically manipulate an ActiveX
c) some other option not thought of yet.

I am asking the list whether you have any advice to give?  If this ActiveX
has been installed on the PC and runs well, how difficult would it be to
execute all the functionality it offers?  I may have no documentation.

Does my question even make sense?

Your advice, as always, is appreciated.

thanks

Mark

PS, Happy Birthday to Rocky

From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Mon Dec 12 17:27:08 2011
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 09:27:08 +1000
Subject: [dba-Tech] How to problematically (or by other automation)
	control an ActiveX control in IE
In-Reply-To: <CAGXtTCjxm3ZYKeqCP9V26zs2oNZMMducbsvVPyqXUXHGocbzLA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGXtTCjxm3ZYKeqCP9V26zs2oNZMMducbsvVPyqXUXHGocbzLA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4EE68DCC.29313.DD6B0DF@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Two approaches which I would use in this situation:

1.  Put Wireshark or similar on the PC and monitor the HTTP(S?) traffic when orders are 
being placed with the current system.

Then you'll know exactly what needs to be sent to the online application and what responses 
it generates.   Having done that, decide if it feasible to write another application to send and 
receive the same HTTP(S?) traffic.  (Hint PowerBASIC is great for that sort of thing <g>)

If that it is not feasible: -

2.  Write an AutoIt application to extract the data from the spreadsheet and feed it to the 
ActiveX screen.

-- 
Stuart


On 12 Dec 2011 at 22:54, Mark Breen wrote:

> Hello All,
> 
> I arrived into a customer today with the intention of preparing for a
> project to automate a process for placing orders in an online database.
> 
> The process today is that the user sits for four hours and copy and pastes
> from Excel into a browser.  I was hoping to use Selenium to automate that.
> 
> However, I was disappointed to note that the website is actually an ActiveX
> control running in IE.
> 
> That leaves me with options such as
> 
> a) using other macro software, attempt to automate the process
> b) find out how to programatically manipulate an ActiveX
> c) some other option not thought of yet.
> 
> I am asking the list whether you have any advice to give?  If this ActiveX
> has been installed on the PC and runs well, how difficult would it be to
> execute all the functionality it offers?  I may have no documentation.
> 
> Does my question even make sense?
> 
> Your advice, as always, is appreciated.
> 
> thanks
> 
> Mark
> 
> PS, Happy Birthday to Rocky
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From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Mon Dec 12 19:32:53 2011
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 17:32:53 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Gmail - is there a preview pane option?
In-Reply-To: <1F63006B0CB74EE298AD6007303B291F@SusanHarkins>
References: <02b701ccb91e$e7ea6f40$b7bf4dc0$@winhaven.net>
	<1F63006B0CB74EE298AD6007303B291F@SusanHarkins>
Message-ID: <482ECBC0-2484-4294-BEE1-5DA9CDA462BB@phulse.com>


Open Gmail. Go to the Mail Settings page, then Labs. Search for "Preview Pane" (by Peter B & Michael K) and click on Enable. Save the changes and it will reload gmail. Now, in your inbox, you will have a button above your inbox that allows you to select vertical or horizontal split view.

Enjoy.

- Hans





On 2011-12-12, at 2:58 PM, Susan Harkins wrote:

> I hate their web interface. They just upgraded it and it's a bit cleaner, but still a pia.
> 
> Susan H.
> 
> 
>> Hey Gmail users - is there any way to get a preview pane of the email the
>> way you can with Outlook. If not native maybe an add-in?
>> 
> 
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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Dec 13 02:24:50 2011
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 09:24:50 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Gmail - is there a preview pane option?
Message-ID: <see719fd.057@cactus.dk>

Hi Susan

You are not alone. 

I just can't get why an organisation of the capabilities of Google can't put together a decent design. I realise the goal was and probably still is to present some sort of a rudimentary design but it just doesn't work anymore. 

At the same time Microsoft continues to improve their Live/Hotmail with nice integration with SkyDrive and Bing.

/gustav


>>> ssharkins at gmail.com 12-12-2011 23:58 >>>
I hate their web interface. They just upgraded it and it's a bit cleaner, 
but still a pia.

Susan H.


> Hey Gmail users - is there any way to get a preview pane of the email the
> way you can with Outlook. If not native maybe an add-in?
>

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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Tue Dec 13 08:10:44 2011
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 09:10:44 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Gmail - is there a preview pane option?
References: <see719fd.057@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <EDBB0263171A4B1F97C08DB1B2112171@SusanHarkins>

I think the guys who write these interfaces probably don't use them and they 
fail to test them adequately. I just reviewed some software for an article, 
and I was very surprised with the interfaces for a couple of them. They 
looked great, but they weren't particularly intuitive... it took me a little 
time to figure them out. Nothing difficult or anything, just basic stuff --  
it shouldn't be like that. In today's Windows/Apple dominated world, we 
should look at the screen and have few questions.

Designers should stop trying to recreate the way we think and work. :(

Susan H.


> Hi Susan
>
> You are not alone.
>
> I just can't get why an organisation of the capabilities of Google can't 
> put together a decent design. I realise the goal was and probably still is 
> to present some sort of a rudimentary design but it just doesn't work 
> anymore.
>
> At the same time Microsoft continues to improve their Live/Hotmail with 
> nice integration with SkyDrive and Bing.
>


From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Tue Dec 13 09:13:25 2011
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 10:13:25 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Gmail - is there a preview pane option?
In-Reply-To: <EDBB0263171A4B1F97C08DB1B2112171@SusanHarkins>
References: <see719fd.057@cactus.dk>
	<EDBB0263171A4B1F97C08DB1B2112171@SusanHarkins>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1h1JLvXsYpWZA1JHcerehA0-SOi2_893uFDPHn7=pzC6w@mail.gmail.com>

I guess that I'm alone in my preference of Gmail over Outlook, but that's
probably due to factors other than the UI (Outlook crashing, losing track
of my PST files, etc.). I've been using Gmail for about as many years as
its life, and most of all I love its remote storage. Every message I've
saved for the past several years is there on the cloud, and I love that.
>From time to time, I import the Contacts to a CSV file to refresh my local
copy, and load that into Outlook simply because it prints pretty phone
books, but by and large I leave it to Google to save everything for me. It
has even happened that I couldn't locate a copy of a years-old app that
wanted some enhancements, so I searched Gmail and located the last Send Zip
File to the client of interest. Downloaded the file from Gmail, unzipped
it, did the enhancements, and fired it off to the client. This method is
far better than my having to remember which of a hundred DVDs contains the
last version. They're far better at Search than I.

A.

From ssharkins at gmail.com  Tue Dec 13 09:44:42 2011
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 10:44:42 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Gmail - is there a preview pane option?
References: <see719fd.057@cactus.dk><EDBB0263171A4B1F97C08DB1B2112171@SusanHarkins>
	<CAEPJO1h1JLvXsYpWZA1JHcerehA0-SOi2_893uFDPHn7=pzC6w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D9B94CD0E9344368B5FFC2316A902572@SusanHarkins>

Email hoarding? I'm sure there's a reality show that could help you. :) 

Susan H. 


Every message I've
> saved for the past several years is there on the cloud, and I love that.


From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Tue Dec 13 09:44:54 2011
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 10:44:54 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Gmail - is there a preview pane option?
In-Reply-To: <D9B94CD0E9344368B5FFC2316A902572@SusanHarkins>
References: <see719fd.057@cactus.dk>
	<EDBB0263171A4B1F97C08DB1B2112171@SusanHarkins>
	<CAEPJO1h1JLvXsYpWZA1JHcerehA0-SOi2_893uFDPHn7=pzC6w@mail.gmail.com>
	<D9B94CD0E9344368B5FFC2316A902572@SusanHarkins>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1j6U1GHVrkqyvPgre18VRBdHGm8b+41jqJSwGVEWB=9rw@mail.gmail.com>

Watch it, girl. Cross me and you've got troubles. I've got everything you
ever wrote on file, and I'm going to speak with the *F*ilbert's *B*ottled *I
*nks about your nefarious activities. So there :)

A.

On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 10:44 AM, Susan Harkins <ssharkins at gmail.com> wrote:

> Email hoarding? I'm sure there's a reality show that could help you. :)
> Susan H.
>
>

From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Tue Dec 13 09:48:12 2011
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 10:48:12 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Smuggling for Fun and Profit: the high-tech version
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1g=v7dP--C-LnA1S_8WKJBCc7PetMimRQdR-bqiiUHNfQ@mail.gmail.com>

What else are you going to do with all that money, but re-invest? See:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/12/11/us-mexico-drugs-tunnels-idUSTRE7BA0D120111211


-- 
A.
Cell: 647.710.1314

Thirty spokes converge on a hub
but it's the emptiness
that makes a wheel work
   -- from the Daodejing

From ssharkins at gmail.com  Tue Dec 13 10:24:20 2011
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 11:24:20 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Gmail - is there a preview pane option?
References: <see719fd.057@cactus.dk><EDBB0263171A4B1F97C08DB1B2112171@SusanHarkins><CAEPJO1h1JLvXsYpWZA1JHcerehA0-SOi2_893uFDPHn7=pzC6w@mail.gmail.com><D9B94CD0E9344368B5FFC2316A902572@SusanHarkins>
	<CAEPJO1j6U1GHVrkqyvPgre18VRBdHGm8b+41jqJSwGVEWB=9rw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <708FB10BFF13493D8C3707A6AB63AF93@SusanHarkins>

I'll see your *F*ilbert's *B*ottled *I*nks and raise you a C*ats In Alas*ka 
video -- remember, you're foreign and we know where you live. :)

Susan H.


> Watch it, girl. Cross me and you've got troubles. I've got everything you
> ever wrote on file, and I'm going to speak with the *F*ilbert's *B*ottled 
> *I
> *nks about your nefarious activities. So there :)
>
> A.


From john at winhaven.net  Tue Dec 13 11:26:16 2011
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 11:26:16 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Gmail - is there a preview pane option?
In-Reply-To: <see719fd.057@cactus.dk>
References: <see719fd.057@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <016e01ccb9bc$520066d0$f6013470$@winhaven.net>

I don't care for the UI at all. I've had a Gmail account for years but I
just don't use it.

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 2:25 AM
To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Gmail - is there a preview pane option?

Hi Susan

You are not alone. 

I just can't get why an organisation of the capabilities of Google can't put
together a decent design. I realise the goal was and probably still is to
present some sort of a rudimentary design but it just doesn't work anymore. 

At the same time Microsoft continues to improve their Live/Hotmail with nice
integration with SkyDrive and Bing.

/gustav


>>> ssharkins at gmail.com 12-12-2011 23:58 >>>
I hate their web interface. They just upgraded it and it's a bit cleaner,
but still a pia.

Susan H.


> Hey Gmail users - is there any way to get a preview pane of the email 
> the way you can with Outlook. If not native maybe an add-in?
>

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From john at winhaven.net  Tue Dec 13 11:26:16 2011
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 11:26:16 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Gmail - is there a preview pane option?
In-Reply-To: <see719fd.057@cactus.dk>
References: <see719fd.057@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <016f01ccb9bc$5234e450$f69eacf0$@winhaven.net>

Thanks for that tip Hans!

My wife's school recently switched from Exchange/Outlook to Gmail and all
the teachers hate it because they don't have time to actually sit behind
their computer to read email. My wife depended on the preview pane and
arrows to check on email as she got a chance to walk up to it. She's a much
happier Gmail user now :o)

BTW I often wonder how is it a cost savings to change to something new when
you already have the previous product installed and in operation? Didn't you
just pay someone to replace what you have already paid for?


From john at winhaven.net  Tue Dec 13 11:31:17 2011
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 11:31:17 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Gmail - is there a preview pane option?
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1h1JLvXsYpWZA1JHcerehA0-SOi2_893uFDPHn7=pzC6w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <see719fd.057@cactus.dk>	<EDBB0263171A4B1F97C08DB1B2112171@SusanHarkins>
	<CAEPJO1h1JLvXsYpWZA1JHcerehA0-SOi2_893uFDPHn7=pzC6w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <017801ccb9bd$057edf20$107c9d60$@winhaven.net>

Sounds more like a organization issue than an email choice ;o)

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 9:13 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Gmail - is there a preview pane option?

I guess that I'm alone in my preference of Gmail over Outlook, but that's
probably due to factors other than the UI (Outlook crashing, losing track of
my PST files, etc.). I've been using Gmail for about as many years as its
life, and most of all I love its remote storage. Every message I've saved
for the past several years is there on the cloud, and I love that.
>From time to time, I import the Contacts to a CSV file to refresh my 
>local
copy, and load that into Outlook simply because it prints pretty phone
books, but by and large I leave it to Google to save everything for me. It
has even happened that I couldn't locate a copy of a years-old app that
wanted some enhancements, so I searched Gmail and located the last Send Zip
File to the client of interest. Downloaded the file from Gmail, unzipped it,
did the enhancements, and fired it off to the client. This method is far
better than my having to remember which of a hundred DVDs contains the last
version. They're far better at Search than I.

A.
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Tue Dec 13 14:09:15 2011
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 15:09:15 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Engineering Cartels
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1g8tN3xnA0LF93jx_oojLzHbys4fRHiEei2ka9J7wd2MQ@mail.gmail.com>

Gotta admire their creativity, if not their motives:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/12/11/us-mexico-drugs-tunnels-idUSTRE7BA0D120111211

P.S. I hate their motives, in case that was in doubt.
-- 
Arthur
Cell: 647.710.1314

Thirty spokes converge on a hub
but it's the emptiness
that makes a wheel work
   -- from the Daodejing

From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Wed Dec 14 08:58:33 2011
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 09:58:33 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] New Avenues for Architects
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1g=0xy=vCPv4Cxg7FKmzF7+w6x9S3JN2tq2wb6QdOh3Tg@mail.gmail.com>

High-tech tunnels for drug smugglers. See
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/12/11/us-mexico-drugs-tunnels-idUSTRE7BA0D120111211.
Should be a big market in British Columbia.

--
Arthur
Cell: 647.710.1314

Thirty spokes converge on a hub
but it's the emptiness
that makes a wheel work
   -- from the Daodejing

From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Sun Dec 18 08:04:30 2011
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2011 09:04:30 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] R.I.P. Vaclav Havel
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1hN72ONsZoq2s6v2W4t6a2KpS9-ysbL0X2NS9RV4C9PJA@mail.gmail.com>

The man perhaps responsible for the fall of Czech communism, Vaclav Havel,
died this morning.

When a truth is not given complete freedom, freedom is not complete.
Vaclav Havel<http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/v/vaclavhave383721.html>

Hope is a state of mind, not of the world. Hope, in this deep and powerful
sense, is not the same as joy that things are going well, or willingness to
invest in enterprises that are obviously heading for success, but rather an
ability to work for something because it is good.

Read more:
http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/v/vaclavhave152338.html#ixzz1gtY7s4hL

He will be missed.
Arthur
-- 
Cell: 647.710.1314

Thirty spokes converge on a hub
but it's the emptiness
that makes a wheel work
   -- from the Daodejing

From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Mon Dec 19 06:58:56 2011
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 07:58:56 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Intelligent File Copy
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1jg0TX9fScEjYGh9LXiZ8cA3A_Dxo6_MPEfpoYDmkBZLg@mail.gmail.com>

Years ago I had a DOS utility called Jet that had loads of cool features,
one of which was Intelligent File Copy. IOW, if you pointed at a source
directory and target disk, the assumption being that the source is larger
than the target's space, it would optimize the copying to fill as much as
possible on each target disk. When the target was filled, it would prompt
you for a new disk.

I've got a directory containing Downloads, whose total size is about 24 GB,
and I want to copy it all to a series of single-layer 4.7 GB dvds. I could
do it manually, but I'd prefer to automate it as described above.

Any suggestions for a utility to do this?

TIA,
Arthur

-- 
Cell: 647.710.1314

Thirty spokes converge on a hub
but it's the emptiness
that makes a wheel work
   -- from the Daodejing

From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Mon Dec 19 07:47:21 2011
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 23:47:21 +1000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Intelligent File Copy
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1jg0TX9fScEjYGh9LXiZ8cA3A_Dxo6_MPEfpoYDmkBZLg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1jg0TX9fScEjYGh9LXiZ8cA3A_Dxo6_MPEfpoYDmkBZLg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4EEF4069.20906.17B12BFB@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

I remember using that or something similar back in the days of floppies :-)

I've never tried it, but this looks promising:
http://sourceforge.net/projects/discfit/

Arranges a big set of files or directories in order to use the minimum number of phisycal 
media (CD, DVD, BD...) pieces. You can drag the resulting sets directly over your burning 
software (Nero, DVD-go...) 



On 19 Dec 2011 at 7:58, Arthur Fuller wrote:

> Years ago I had a DOS utility called Jet that had loads of cool features,
> one of which was Intelligent File Copy. IOW, if you pointed at a source
> directory and target disk, the assumption being that the source is larger
> than the target's space, it would optimize the copying to fill as much as
> possible on each target disk. When the target was filled, it would prompt
> you for a new disk.
> 
> I've got a directory containing Downloads, whose total size is about 24 GB,
> and I want to copy it all to a series of single-layer 4.7 GB dvds. I could
> do it manually, but I'd prefer to automate it as described above.
> 
> Any suggestions for a utility to do this?
> 
> TIA,
> Arthur
> 
> -- 
> Cell: 647.710.1314
> 
> Thirty spokes converge on a hub
> but it's the emptiness
> that makes a wheel work
>    -- from the Daodejing
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Mon Dec 19 07:57:20 2011
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 08:57:20 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Intelligent File Copy
In-Reply-To: <4EEF4069.20906.17B12BFB@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <CAEPJO1jg0TX9fScEjYGh9LXiZ8cA3A_Dxo6_MPEfpoYDmkBZLg@mail.gmail.com>
	<4EEF4069.20906.17B12BFB@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1hAbuyxsvQ0g7JbaDuJHMJPhfBgKiWh3XOk=QpmUv8kYQ@mail.gmail.com>

Looks like it might be just what the doctor ordered. (Now all I need is a
doctorate:)
A.

On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 8:47 AM, Stuart McLachlan <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>wrote:

> I remember using that or something similar back in the days of floppies :-)
>
> I've never tried it, but this looks promising:
> http://sourceforge.net/projects/discfit/
>
> Arranges a big set of files or directories in order to use the minimum
> number of phisycal
> media (CD, DVD, BD...) pieces. You can drag the resulting sets directly
> over your burning
> software (Nero, DVD-go...)
>
>
>

From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Mon Dec 19 08:15:50 2011
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 00:15:50 +1000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Intelligent File Copy
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1hAbuyxsvQ0g7JbaDuJHMJPhfBgKiWh3XOk=QpmUv8kYQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1jg0TX9fScEjYGh9LXiZ8cA3A_Dxo6_MPEfpoYDmkBZLg@mail.gmail.com>,
	<4EEF4069.20906.17B12BFB@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>,
	<CAEPJO1hAbuyxsvQ0g7JbaDuJHMJPhfBgKiWh3XOk=QpmUv8kYQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4EEF4716.25917.17CB3E06@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

I just checked that one out.  It is an early Beta and is pretty rough.

Some other possibilities that Google threw up:

http://code.google.com/p/file-sum-mover/

http://bttb.sourceforge.net/

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2037102,00.asp (commercial, but only $7.97)



On 19 Dec 2011 at 8:57, Arthur Fuller wrote:

> Looks like it might be just what the doctor ordered. (Now all I need is a
> doctorate:)
> A.
> 
> On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 8:47 AM, Stuart McLachlan <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>wrote:
> 
> > I remember using that or something similar back in the days of floppies :-)
> >
> > I've never tried it, but this looks promising:
> > http://sourceforge.net/projects/discfit/
> >
> > Arranges a big set of files or directories in order to use the minimum
> > number of phisycal
> > media (CD, DVD, BD...) pieces. You can drag the resulting sets directly
> > over your burning
> > software (Nero, DVD-go...)
> >
> >
> >
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> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
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> 




From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Mon Dec 19 09:28:02 2011
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 10:28:02 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Intelligent File Copy
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1jg0TX9fScEjYGh9LXiZ8cA3A_Dxo6_MPEfpoYDmkBZLg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1jg0TX9fScEjYGh9LXiZ8cA3A_Dxo6_MPEfpoYDmkBZLg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4EEF5802.5050002@torchlake.com>

I Win-Zip's utility still available?  It used to work really well for 
diskettes.  If it's still around, I would expect it to have been updated 
for  CDs and DVDs.
T

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields at torchlake.com
231-322-2787


On 12/19/2011 7:58 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote:
> Years ago I had a DOS utility called Jet that had loads of cool features,
> one of which was Intelligent File Copy. IOW, if you pointed at a source
> directory and target disk, the assumption being that the source is larger
> than the target's space, it would optimize the copying to fill as much as
> possible on each target disk. When the target was filled, it would prompt
> you for a new disk.
>
> I've got a directory containing Downloads, whose total size is about 24 GB,
> and I want to copy it all to a series of single-layer 4.7 GB dvds. I could
> do it manually, but I'd prefer to automate it as described above.
>
> Any suggestions for a utility to do this?
>
> TIA,
> Arthur
>

From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Mon Dec 19 10:13:00 2011
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 11:13:00 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Intelligent File Copy
In-Reply-To: <4EEF5802.5050002@torchlake.com>
References: <CAEPJO1jg0TX9fScEjYGh9LXiZ8cA3A_Dxo6_MPEfpoYDmkBZLg@mail.gmail.com>
	<4EEF5802.5050002@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1hAx9gZ8ji0imO9XJKHJa57mmNYN7RvFRb3J2yvD+7_-A@mail.gmail.com>

If you mean WinZip, it's still around and thriving. But I don't think it's
appropriate for what I need, since most of the files in the directory of
interest are either Zips, Rars or ISOs. I just want to copy them, not zip
them.

Arthur

On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 10:28 AM, Tina Norris Fields <
tinanfields at torchlake.com> wrote:

> I Win-Zip's utility still available?  It used to work really well for
> diskettes.  If it's still around, I would expect it to have been updated
> for  CDs and DVDs.
> T
>
> Tina Norris Fields
> tinanfields at torchlake.com
> 231-322-2787
>
>
>

From kathryn at bassett.net  Mon Dec 19 19:20:01 2011
From: kathryn at bassett.net (Kathryn Bassett)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 17:20:01 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Getting rid of some folders
Message-ID: <014e01ccbeb5$7f5b0010$7e110030$@net>

I am pulling my hair out over this. I have folders such as this:
C:\Fr4\Noel
C:\Fr4\NoelLivingstone
C:\Fr4\oconner

I can't seem to get rid of them. First, I was just deleting them. But I
eventually noticed that they'd come back. Tried a number of times before
starting to research it. The common issues seem to involve dropbox or
folders that are shared. I don't have dropbox, and the folders aren't
shared. One place that I found suggested "copy" the name of the folder,
delete it, then make a new folder, pasting the name in. Then empty recycle
bin and reboot, then delete the now empty folder. I did that for about 1/2
dozen folders and it worked. Those are now gone and haven't returned. So I
started doing the rest of them (20 more). But it's not working for those.

I've even done these steps ONLY. IOW, boot up, do that routine, empty the
recycle bin, then reboot. Not running any other programs like email etc.

On the Tech Support Guy List Tech Support Guy List (http://www.techguy.org)
which is not very active, one person asked, and I answered:

> 1. What operating system?

Vista - sorry, I thought I had put that down.

> 2. Has this computer ever had Nortons on it? Nortons does weird things 
> with its "protected" recycle bin. Even after Nortons has been 
> uninstalled, it can leave some of these strange remnants behind.

Only long enough to get the computer home when I bought it (2007).
Uninstalled immediately (I hate Norton), then went through the registry and
deleted Norton references. So, in effect, no. 

> 4. Try right-click "delete on boot". This is included in several free 
> utilities such as Gipo Utilities, which will add this useful line to 
> your right-click menu.

While looking to see if I had this option, I discovered something. The
entire Fr4 folder was read only. I've changed that, and will see if that
works. If not:

> 3. What happens if you delete in Safe Mode?

Hmm, haven't thought to try that. After I get this email off, I'll try that
if changing the read only option doesn't work (no idea how it got that way).

> 5. I assume that normal folders delete OK, and that this is associated 
> only with your "FR4 folders". Does FR4 mean anything---associated with 
> any particular program which might be protecting these folders? In W7, 
> for example, this type of behaviour can be associated with protected 
> system folders/files.

Yes and yes. FR4 is an old dos genealogy program (Family Roots version 4).
I'm the only person in the world still providing support for it, getting the
data into a format that can be imported to a windows genealogy program. No,
it doesn't protect, and I've deleted client subfolders before, which makes
the current behavior all the more puzzling.

Where I'm at now:

Safe mode and the read only part didn't do the trick, except temporarily. I
changed C:\Fr4 to C:\Fr4b. Then I made a new folder C:\FR4 (the r being
upper case) and dragged the things I need to keep into it. A reboot (last
night) showed only the items I want in C:\FR4, and just the subfolders I
don't want in C:\Fr4b. I couldn't do any more reboot testing last night, but
I had deleted the subfolders from C:\Fr4b, leaving it empty.

I only did one other thing before shutting down for the night, which I'll
explain in a minute. Then this morning, they are back again in C:\FR4. The
folder has to have that name, I can't use C:\FR4b, but even if I could, that
wouldn't solve the problem of C:\FR4 adding itself back in.

The one other thing is my nightly backup. I use SecondCopy to do "Exact
copy, source to destination, delete obsolete files from destination" and
these are the 3 "profiles" I use:
C:\Users\Kathryn\AppData\Local\Microsoft\Outlook to
I:\Vistamydocs\OutlookMail C:\Users\Kathryn\AppData\Local\Microsoft\Outlook
to C:\Users\Kathryn\Documents\OutlookMail
C:\Users\Kathryn\Documents (& subdirectories) to I:\Vistamydocs

As you see, nothing to do with C:\FR4.

Anybody got any ideas why this is happening and how I get rid of the
subfolders I don't want?

Kathryn


From bill_patten at embarqmail.com  Tue Dec 20 01:59:04 2011
From: bill_patten at embarqmail.com (Bill Patten)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 23:59:04 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Getting rid of some folders
In-Reply-To: <014e01ccbeb5$7f5b0010$7e110030$@net>
References: <014e01ccbeb5$7f5b0010$7e110030$@net>
Message-ID: <C861E942094344B7A8D3F7D13B082D28@BPCS>

Kathryn,


Have you tried running MSConfig and looking for strange batch files or other 
un-identified programs that could be creating the files on boot? Since it 
seemed ok in safe mode which bypasses most of the items in the startup 
folder of MSConfig.

Bill
--------------------------------------------------
From: "Kathryn Bassett" <kathryn at bassett.net>
Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 5:20 PM
To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" 
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: [dba-Tech] Getting rid of some folders

I am pulling my hair out over this. I have folders such as this:
C:\Fr4\Noel
C:\Fr4\NoelLivingstone
C:\Fr4\oconner

I can't seem to get rid of them. First, I was just deleting them. But I
eventually noticed that they'd come back. Tried a number of times before
starting to research it. The common issues seem to involve dropbox or
folders that are shared. I don't have dropbox, and the folders aren't
shared. One place that I found suggested "copy" the name of the folder,
delete it, then make a new folder, pasting the name in. Then empty recycle
bin and reboot, then delete the now empty folder. I did that for about 1/2
dozen folders and it worked. Those are now gone and haven't returned. So I
started doing the rest of them (20 more). But it's not working for those.

I've even done these steps ONLY. IOW, boot up, do that routine, empty the
recycle bin, then reboot. Not running any other programs like email etc.

On the Tech Support Guy List Tech Support Guy List (http://www.techguy.org)
which is not very active, one person asked, and I answered:

> 1. What operating system?

Vista - sorry, I thought I had put that down.

> 2. Has this computer ever had Nortons on it? Nortons does weird things
> with its "protected" recycle bin. Even after Nortons has been
> uninstalled, it can leave some of these strange remnants behind.

Only long enough to get the computer home when I bought it (2007).
Uninstalled immediately (I hate Norton), then went through the registry and
deleted Norton references. So, in effect, no.

> 4. Try right-click "delete on boot". This is included in several free
> utilities such as Gipo Utilities, which will add this useful line to
> your right-click menu.

While looking to see if I had this option, I discovered something. The
entire Fr4 folder was read only. I've changed that, and will see if that
works. If not:

> 3. What happens if you delete in Safe Mode?

Hmm, haven't thought to try that. After I get this email off, I'll try that
if changing the read only option doesn't work (no idea how it got that way).

> 5. I assume that normal folders delete OK, and that this is associated
> only with your "FR4 folders". Does FR4 mean anything---associated with
> any particular program which might be protecting these folders? In W7,
> for example, this type of behaviour can be associated with protected
> system folders/files.

Yes and yes. FR4 is an old dos genealogy program (Family Roots version 4).
I'm the only person in the world still providing support for it, getting the
data into a format that can be imported to a windows genealogy program. No,
it doesn't protect, and I've deleted client subfolders before, which makes
the current behavior all the more puzzling.

Where I'm at now:

Safe mode and the read only part didn't do the trick, except temporarily. I
changed C:\Fr4 to C:\Fr4b. Then I made a new folder C:\FR4 (the r being
upper case) and dragged the things I need to keep into it. A reboot (last
night) showed only the items I want in C:\FR4, and just the subfolders I
don't want in C:\Fr4b. I couldn't do any more reboot testing last night, but
I had deleted the subfolders from C:\Fr4b, leaving it empty.

I only did one other thing before shutting down for the night, which I'll
explain in a minute. Then this morning, they are back again in C:\FR4. The
folder has to have that name, I can't use C:\FR4b, but even if I could, that
wouldn't solve the problem of C:\FR4 adding itself back in.

The one other thing is my nightly backup. I use SecondCopy to do "Exact
copy, source to destination, delete obsolete files from destination" and
these are the 3 "profiles" I use:
C:\Users\Kathryn\AppData\Local\Microsoft\Outlook to
I:\Vistamydocs\OutlookMail C:\Users\Kathryn\AppData\Local\Microsoft\Outlook
to C:\Users\Kathryn\Documents\OutlookMail
C:\Users\Kathryn\Documents (& subdirectories) to I:\Vistamydocs

As you see, nothing to do with C:\FR4.

Anybody got any ideas why this is happening and how I get rid of the
subfolders I don't want?

Kathryn

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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Tue Dec 20 06:37:00 2011
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 07:37:00 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Gmail Identification
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1guXsAaQxH=zAih81oZ5=QKJoTjnAADahycw2CkBG5V7g@mail.gmail.com>

Now and then I see a message in a Gmail thread (most recently in the
AccessD thread) that says "This mail may not have been sent by <some
name>." It's no big deal, but I'm curious as to how Gmail determines the
authenticity of a sender. Anyone know?

-- 
Arthur
Cell: 647.710.1314

Thirty spokes converge on a hub
but it's the emptiness
that makes a wheel work
   -- from the Daodejing

From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Tue Dec 20 09:47:49 2011
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 07:47:49 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Gmail Identification
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1guXsAaQxH=zAih81oZ5=QKJoTjnAADahycw2CkBG5V7g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1guXsAaQxH=zAih81oZ5=QKJoTjnAADahycw2CkBG5V7g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <26B7FFC2-1AA2-46A4-AC13-64872687BA5D@phulse.com>



Probably by analyzing the raw email headers:

http://support.google.com/mail/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=185812

- Hans


On 2011-12-20, at 4:37 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote:

> Now and then I see a message in a Gmail thread (most recently in the
> AccessD thread) that says "This mail may not have been sent by <some
> name>." It's no big deal, but I'm curious as to how Gmail determines the
> authenticity of a sender. Anyone know?
> 
> -- 
> Arthur
> Cell: 647.710.1314
> 
> Thirty spokes converge on a hub
> but it's the emptiness
> that makes a wheel work
>   -- from the Daodejing
> _______________________________________________
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From kathryn at bassett.net  Tue Dec 20 19:42:06 2011
From: kathryn at bassett.net (Kathryn Bassett)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 17:42:06 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Getting rid of some folders
In-Reply-To: <C861E942094344B7A8D3F7D13B082D28@BPCS>
References: <014e01ccbeb5$7f5b0010$7e110030$@net>
	<C861E942094344B7A8D3F7D13B082D28@BPCS>
Message-ID: <019001ccbf81$bf1b1010$3d513030$@net>

I hadn't, no. But checking it proved that my memory was correct that there
are no batch files that would account for it (couldn't find ANY batch
files).

One thing that really confuses me is this:

"One place that I found suggested "copy" the name of the folder, delete it,
then make a new folder, pasting the name in. Then empty recycle bin and
reboot, then delete the now empty folder. I did that for about 1/2 dozen
folders and it worked. Those are now gone and haven't returned. So I started
doing the rest of them (20 more). But it's not working for those."

So why would it have worked for those half dozen, and not the rest?

--
Kathryn Rhinehart Bassett (Pasadena CA)
"Genealogy is my bag" "GH is my soap"
kathryn at bassett.net
http://bassett.net?? 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-
> bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bill Patten
> Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 11:59 PM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Getting rid of some folders
> 
> Kathryn,
> 
> 
> Have you tried running MSConfig and looking for strange batch files or
> other un-identified programs that could be creating the files on boot?
> Since it seemed ok in safe mode which bypasses most of the items in the
> startup folder of MSConfig.
> 
> Bill



From bill_patten at embarqmail.com  Tue Dec 20 21:44:06 2011
From: bill_patten at embarqmail.com (Bill Patten)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 19:44:06 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Getting rid of some folders
In-Reply-To: <019001ccbf81$bf1b1010$3d513030$@net>
References: <014e01ccbeb5$7f5b0010$7e110030$@net><C861E942094344B7A8D3F7D13B082D28@BPCS>
	<019001ccbf81$bf1b1010$3d513030$@net>
Message-ID: <4A91E56AA9EC4595A70F2AE678E0EF23@BPCS>

Kathryn,

Many programs create "missing items" when they start for example some files 
use .ini and will create new ones if one is deleted. Check the date created 
on the folders that keep coming back. If the date coincides with the startup 
time of either the computer or a program then you know it is being created 
at that time.

Using MSConfig, you can turn off any startup items that you KNOW are not 
involved and perhaps identify the culprit.

Obviously something is creating them. It is very hard to believe that a 
deleted item that is removed from the recycle bin could resurrect itself.

Best I can come up with so I hope it helps.

Bill

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Kathryn Bassett" <kathryn at bassett.net>
Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 5:42 PM
To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" 
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Getting rid of some folders

I hadn't, no. But checking it proved that my memory was correct that there
are no batch files that would account for it (couldn't find ANY batch
files).

One thing that really confuses me is this:

"One place that I found suggested "copy" the name of the folder, delete it,
then make a new folder, pasting the name in. Then empty recycle bin and
reboot, then delete the now empty folder. I did that for about 1/2 dozen
folders and it worked. Those are now gone and haven't returned. So I started
doing the rest of them (20 more). But it's not working for those."

So why would it have worked for those half dozen, and not the rest?

--
Kathryn Rhinehart Bassett (Pasadena CA)
"Genealogy is my bag" "GH is my soap"
kathryn at bassett.net
http://bassett.net

> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-
> bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bill Patten
> Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 11:59 PM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Getting rid of some folders
>
> Kathryn,
>
>
> Have you tried running MSConfig and looking for strange batch files or
> other un-identified programs that could be creating the files on boot?
> Since it seemed ok in safe mode which bypasses most of the items in the
> startup folder of MSConfig.
>
> Bill


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From kathryn at bassett.net  Wed Dec 21 00:12:04 2011
From: kathryn at bassett.net (Kathryn Bassett)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 22:12:04 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Getting rid of some folders
In-Reply-To: <4A91E56AA9EC4595A70F2AE678E0EF23@BPCS>
References: <014e01ccbeb5$7f5b0010$7e110030$@net><C861E942094344B7A8D3F7D13B082D28@BPCS>	<019001ccbf81$bf1b1010$3d513030$@net>
	<4A91E56AA9EC4595A70F2AE678E0EF23@BPCS>
Message-ID: <021201ccbfa7$764dde00$62e99a00$@net>

Good thoughts, thanks. It might be after Christmas before I have time to
experiment (it takes almost 15 minutes to totally reboot the computer). And
I'll use WinPatrol to delay the start times so I can pinpoint the time, with
what takes that long to start.

Kathryn 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-
> bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bill Patten
> Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 7:44 PM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Getting rid of some folders
> 
> Kathryn,
> 
> Many programs create "missing items" when they start for example some
> files use .ini and will create new ones if one is deleted. Check the
> date created on the folders that keep coming back. If the date
> coincides with the startup time of either the computer or a program
> then you know it is being created at that time.
> 
> Using MSConfig, you can turn off any startup items that you KNOW are
> not involved and perhaps identify the culprit.
> 
> Obviously something is creating them. It is very hard to believe that a
> deleted item that is removed from the recycle bin could resurrect
> itself.
> 
> Best I can come up with so I hope it helps.
> 
> Bill
> 
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Kathryn Bassett" <kathryn at bassett.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 5:42 PM
> To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'"
> <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Getting rid of some folders
> 
> I hadn't, no. But checking it proved that my memory was correct that
> there are no batch files that would account for it (couldn't find ANY
> batch files).
> 
> One thing that really confuses me is this:
> 
> "One place that I found suggested "copy" the name of the folder, delete
> it, then make a new folder, pasting the name in. Then empty recycle bin
> and reboot, then delete the now empty folder. I did that for about 1/2
> dozen folders and it worked. Those are now gone and haven't returned.
> So I started doing the rest of them (20 more). But it's not working for
> those."
> 
> So why would it have worked for those half dozen, and not the rest?
> 
> --
> Kathryn Rhinehart Bassett (Pasadena CA)
> "Genealogy is my bag" "GH is my soap"
> kathryn at bassett.net
> http://bassett.net
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-
> > bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bill Patten
> > Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 11:59 PM
> > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Getting rid of some folders
> >
> > Kathryn,
> >
> >
> > Have you tried running MSConfig and looking for strange batch files
> or
> > other un-identified programs that could be creating the files on
> boot?
> > Since it seemed ok in safe mode which bypasses most of the items in
> > the startup folder of MSConfig.
> >
> > Bill
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Wed Dec 21 06:30:14 2011
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 07:30:14 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] IBM's Predictions for the next five years
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1htNPRpwnG9astNN=nFX64wv3si+Eyu-p=sGhG-4XKR-g@mail.gmail.com>

See:
http://www.businessweek.com/technology/ibms-five-predictions-for-the-next-five-years-12192011.html


And Merry Christmas.
--
Arthur
Cell: 647.710.1314

Thirty spokes converge on a hub
but it's the emptiness
that makes a wheel work
   -- from the Daodejing

From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Wed Dec 21 18:15:30 2011
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 19:15:30 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Top 10 Physics Breakthroughs of 2011
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1jxA-RFLWqpcL4+4+ELRhXVx5bCQX_U-zkAqn43J0jOLA@mail.gmail.com>

I could have seen these coming, but I didn't, so I am the loser in this
race.

http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/news/48126

--
Arthur (maybe I should change my name to Ether)
Cell: 647.710.1314

Thirty spokes converge on a hub
but it's the emptiness
that makes a wheel work
   -- from the Daodejing

From Gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Dec 22 04:08:50 2011
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 11:08:50 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Top 10 Physics Breakthroughs of 2011
Message-ID: <sef30fd5.067@cactus.dk>

Hi Arthur

That page has a link to a link about the latest results from the old Voyager 1 and 2 spacecrafts now travelling at the outer edge of the solar system:

http://voyager.jpl.nasa.gov/

Have in mind that they were launched 34 years ago, thus proves to be two of the most amazing pieces of hardware ever created.

http://voyager.jpl.nasa.gov/where/index.html 

An interesting detail - while we struggle with limited covering range of WiFi and so - is that it is even possible to maintain reliable contact at such a distance where signals travel for about 16 hours:

http://voyager.jpl.nasa.gov/news/profiles_dsn.html 

It will not last, however, as power is expected to run out at 2025.

/gustav


>>> fuller.artful at gmail.com 22-12-2011 01:15 >>>
I could have seen these coming, but I didn't, so I am the loser in this
race.

http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/news/48126 

--
Arthur (maybe I should change my name to Ether)
Cell: 647.710.1314

Thirty spokes converge on a hub
but it's the emptiness
that makes a wheel work
   -- from the Daodejing



From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Thu Dec 22 08:08:09 2011
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 09:08:09 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Top 10 Physics Breakthroughs of 2011
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1jxA-RFLWqpcL4+4+ELRhXVx5bCQX_U-zkAqn43J0jOLA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1jxA-RFLWqpcL4+4+ELRhXVx5bCQX_U-zkAqn43J0jOLA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4EF339C9.9040105@torchlake.com>

Wow!  Thanks for posting this.
T

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields at torchlake.com
231-322-2787


On 12/21/2011 7:15 PM, Arthur Fuller wrote:
> I could have seen these coming, but I didn't, so I am the loser in this
> race.
>
> http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/news/48126
>
> --
> Arthur (maybe I should change my name to Ether)
> Cell: 647.710.1314
>
> Thirty spokes converge on a hub
> but it's the emptiness
> that makes a wheel work
>     -- from the Daodejing
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From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Thu Dec 22 08:23:26 2011
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 09:23:26 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Top 10 Physics Breakthroughs of 2011
In-Reply-To: <sef30fd5.067@cactus.dk>
References: <sef30fd5.067@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <4EF33D5E.1040700@torchlake.com>

Dear Gustav,

Absolutely amazing.  By the time power runs out, we will have about 50 
years' worth of solar system and interstellar information.  I like you 
point about the signal - one would think that we could do a better job 
on our range of signal here on earth.  I suppose the problem here is 
related to signal interference.

T

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields at torchlake.com
231-322-2787


On 12/22/2011 5:08 AM, Gustav Brock wrote:
> Hi Arthur
>
> That page has a link to a link about the latest results from the old Voyager 1 and 2 spacecrafts now travelling at the outer edge of the solar system:
>
> http://voyager.jpl.nasa.gov/
>
> Have in mind that they were launched 34 years ago, thus proves to be two of the most amazing pieces of hardware ever created.
>
> http://voyager.jpl.nasa.gov/where/index.html
>
> An interesting detail - while we struggle with limited covering range of WiFi and so - is that it is even possible to maintain reliable contact at such a distance where signals travel for about 16 hours:
>
> http://voyager.jpl.nasa.gov/news/profiles_dsn.html
>
> It will not last, however, as power is expected to run out at 2025.
>
> /gustav
>
>
>>>> fuller.artful at gmail.com 22-12-2011 01:15>>>
> I could have seen these coming, but I didn't, so I am the loser in this
> race.
>
> http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/news/48126
>
> --
> Arthur (maybe I should change my name to Ether)
> Cell: 647.710.1314
>
> Thirty spokes converge on a hub
> but it's the emptiness
> that makes a wheel work
>     -- from the Daodejing
>
>
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Thu Dec 22 11:53:04 2011
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 09:53:04 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Does this look like a secunia knock-off?
Message-ID: <98F613EE307B4324BE869417B64C458B@HAL9007>

http://www.cnet.com/techtracker-free/
 
Rocky
 

From john at winhaven.net  Thu Dec 22 12:54:43 2011
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 12:54:43 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Does this look like a secunia knock-off?
In-Reply-To: <98F613EE307B4324BE869417B64C458B@HAL9007>
References: <98F613EE307B4324BE869417B64C458B@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <01c201ccc0db$2b1d8ef0$8158acd0$@winhaven.net>

Secunia has no wrap on the market for this type of application and it  is
certainly not a panacea of application updating. But it is a nice app for
non-techies to have.

There are far more intensive client server apps that will take care of a
whole network. 

And there are numerous small apps like Cnet's. File Hippo is another that I
use on occasion. (Since Secunia is not perfect and not all inclusive.)
Actually I will probably use it more now that Cnet has included a downloaded
app with theirs. They recently "updated " their app to include a downloader.
Problem #1 it can include the option to install ride along downloads like
toolbars and other CRAP that I detest (defaulted to yes of course) Problem
#2 (for me anyway) is it doesn't download the apps I want it downloads a
link to the apps which when you decide to install then download and install
without giving you a choice a where to save them. So if you have more than
one computer you have to use their app to update each one rather than saving
the apps to a network folder and just installing them via the network. IMO
that stinks.

I uninstalled mine Cnet tech tracker and recommend that you do not use it.
Head over to File Hippo and download free apps from there.

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 11:53 AM
To: List; 'Off Topic'
Subject: [dba-Tech] Does this look like a secunia knock-off?

http://www.cnet.com/techtracker-free/
 
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Tue Dec 27 10:35:07 2011
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2011 11:35:07 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Charles Babbage
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1gdfP5SmWhz2EQuAVZpxBPZ=RSd0GHi+TaM6pry9NQ8eg@mail.gmail.com>

>From slashdot...

"It was on this day 220 years ago (December 26 1791) that Charles Babbage
was born. The calculating machines he invented in the 19th century,
although never fully realized in his lifetime, are rightly seen as the
forerunners of modern programmable computers. [0]What if he had succeeded?
Babbage already had plans for game arcades, chess playing machines, sound
generators and desktop publishing. A Victorian computer revolution was
entirely possible."

-- 
For more information on this and an imaginative take on it, read "The
Difference Engine", by William Gibson and Bruce Sterling; an amazing piece
of fiction, IMO, but frankly not quite my favorite take on historical S-F.
That vote would go to "Cryptonomicon" by Neal Stephenson, neck and neck
with "V." by Thomas Pynchon.

Arthur
Cell: 647.710.1314

Thirty spokes converge on a hub
but it's the emptiness
that makes a wheel work
   -- from the Daodejing

From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Tue Dec 27 18:16:42 2011
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2011 19:16:42 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Google's pricing for ads
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1gmPgEbz2xH=TK1BTmHgeF_iMiDrf3pOBKqbjveFaX9rg@mail.gmail.com>

Does anyone know how they price this stuff? i.e. I have a site that is all
about frisbee, and I want to collect some advertisers, and also post my own
ads for collectibles etc. Anyone got any advice for how to proceed?

TIA,
Arthur

-- 
Cell: 647.710.1314

Thirty spokes converge on a hub
but it's the emptiness
that makes a wheel work
   -- from the Daodejing

From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Dec 28 14:42:55 2011
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 12:42:55 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] So what is super hot in the tech world?
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1gdfP5SmWhz2EQuAVZpxBPZ=RSd0GHi+TaM6pry9NQ8eg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1gdfP5SmWhz2EQuAVZpxBPZ=RSd0GHi+TaM6pry9NQ8eg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <049D77D9530A404F9C1B51EBD72D5BE5@creativesystemdesigns.com>

You have to look no further than the NoSQL super database called Hadoop.
Development in this product has been drawing the best and the brightest from
all over the computer world.

With databases now exceeded 100 million records the SQL structured DBs no
longer functions well in this new environment.

http://tinyurl.com/d28d3r6

Jim


From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Wed Dec 28 15:55:19 2011
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 07:55:19 +1000
Subject: [dba-Tech] So what is super hot in the tech world?
In-Reply-To: <049D77D9530A404F9C1B51EBD72D5BE5@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <CAEPJO1gdfP5SmWhz2EQuAVZpxBPZ=RSd0GHi+TaM6pry9NQ8eg@mail.gmail.com>,
	<049D77D9530A404F9C1B51EBD72D5BE5@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <4EFB9047.14178.47C997D4@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Yada, yada, yada.

Still evangelising I see :-)

100 million records is not per se a problem for a SQL structured DB.

No matter how many times people claim that it is, NoSQL is NOT a replacement for SQL, 

NoSQL is just a group of solutions to manage types of data that SQL is not ideal for.

You might just as well say:
With images exceeding several megabytes in size, NoAccess is much better than Access for 
manipulating graphic data.    Take for instance the NoAcess super application called 
PhotoShop.


-- 
Stuart

On 28 Dec 2011 at 12:42, Jim Lawrence wrote:

> You have to look no further than the NoSQL super database called Hadoop.
> Development in this product has been drawing the best and the brightest from
> all over the computer world.
> 
> With databases now exceeded 100 million records the SQL structured DBs no
> longer functions well in this new environment.
> 
> http://tinyurl.com/d28d3r6
> 
> Jim
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> 




From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Dec 28 16:18:15 2011
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 14:18:15 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] So what is super hot in the tech world?
In-Reply-To: <4EFB9047.14178.47C997D4@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <CAEPJO1gdfP5SmWhz2EQuAVZpxBPZ=RSd0GHi+TaM6pry9NQ8eg@mail.gmail.com>
	<049D77D9530A404F9C1B51EBD72D5BE5@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<4EFB9047.14178.47C997D4@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <53242CA745E04FB8A1885D71AD3FB01B@creativesystemdesigns.com>

It does not matter what you or I think, it what is important and real. 

That what is super hot in the computer business is Hadoop.

I may never use the product other than to play with but we have to keep
abreast on the market trends.

The difference between NoSQL and SQL databases is like Mya and
Photoshop...one processes thousands of images and one, just one image at a
time. We may never need anything more than Photoshop but for those in the
image and movie business, Mya is one of the products of choice.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 1:55 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'; 'Discussion concerning
Visual Basic and related programming issues.'; 'Discussion concerning MS SQL
Server'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] So what is super hot in the tech world?

Yada, yada, yada.

Still evangelising I see :-)

100 million records is not per se a problem for a SQL structured DB.

No matter how many times people claim that it is, NoSQL is NOT a replacement
for SQL, 

NoSQL is just a group of solutions to manage types of data that SQL is not
ideal for.

You might just as well say:
With images exceeding several megabytes in size, NoAccess is much better
than Access for 
manipulating graphic data.    Take for instance the NoAcess super
application called 
PhotoShop.


-- 
Stuart

On 28 Dec 2011 at 12:42, Jim Lawrence wrote:

> You have to look no further than the NoSQL super database called Hadoop.
> Development in this product has been drawing the best and the brightest
from
> all over the computer world.
> 
> With databases now exceeded 100 million records the SQL structured DBs no
> longer functions well in this new environment.
> 
> http://tinyurl.com/d28d3r6
> 
> Jim
> 
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Fri Dec  2 17:23:28 2011
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2011 09:23:28 +1000
Subject: [dba-Tech] No Desktop Apps on Win8 on ARM?
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1gLBm8868+PrEpCwfptz36gD8C0H9ahdrbV1td8npKq0g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1gLBm8868+PrEpCwfptz36gD8C0H9ahdrbV1td8npKq0g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4ED95DF0.12313.7EBA2FC@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

http://www.zdnet.com/blog/microsoft/microsoft-to-drop-desktop-app-from-windows-8-arm-tabl
ets/11325

-- 
Stuart



From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Dec  2 20:01:18 2011
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 18:01:18 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] No Desktop Apps on Win8 on ARM?
In-Reply-To: <4ED95DF0.12313.7EBA2FC@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <CAEPJO1gLBm8868+PrEpCwfptz36gD8C0H9ahdrbV1td8npKq0g@mail.gmail.com>
	<4ED95DF0.12313.7EBA2FC@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <EE84698CD0564784B332976B425AF997@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Good or bad?

The ARM desktops will put Microsoft's tablets on the same level as iPad.
They will just have their apps running off the internet.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 3:23 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] No Desktop Apps on Win8 on ARM?

http://www.zdnet.com/blog/microsoft/microsoft-to-drop-desktop-app-from-windo
ws-8-arm-tabl
ets/11325

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From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Sat Dec  3 05:12:41 2011
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 03:12:41 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] No Desktop Apps on Win8 on ARM?
In-Reply-To: <EE84698CD0564784B332976B425AF997@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <CAEPJO1gLBm8868+PrEpCwfptz36gD8C0H9ahdrbV1td8npKq0g@mail.gmail.com>
	<4ED95DF0.12313.7EBA2FC@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<EE84698CD0564784B332976B425AF997@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <C303A211-DD15-477F-8416-BA26F9FFBEAA@phulse.com>

This is wise of Microsoft. Tablets are not meant for that sort of thing. They should nix desktop apps for any and all tablet-like devices ARM or not.

Best regards,
Hans-Christian Andersen


On 2 Dec 2011, at 18:01, "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> Good or bad?
> 
> The ARM desktops will put Microsoft's tablets on the same level as iPad.
> They will just have their apps running off the internet.
> 
> Jim
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
> Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 3:23 PM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: [dba-Tech] No Desktop Apps on Win8 on ARM?
> 
> http://www.zdnet.com/blog/microsoft/microsoft-to-drop-desktop-app-from-windo
> ws-8-arm-tabl
> ets/11325
> 
> -- 
> Stuart
> 
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Sat Dec  3 11:54:17 2011
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2011 18:54:17 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] No Desktop Apps on Win8 on ARM?
Message-ID: <seda7081.068@cactus.dk>

Hi Jim and Stuart

It seems like the right decision. The comment from Joe Raby says it all:

<quote>
The same thing was said
 ...about XP before it shipped.

Ditto for 95.

There will always be heretics.

If you want to 'wow' customers, you have to show them something new and radically different. People aren't impressed with slow, evolutionary updates. Anytime I show the YouTube video of the first Windows 8 demo on Microsoft's channel to a non-techie layman in my store, they think it looks incredible and want to know how soon it's coming out. The Start Menu/Taskbar will be an 18-year old UI design by the time Win8 ships. Computer users are ready for something newer and simpler. 
</quote>

My experience with the YouTube demo is identical. Show it to any "normal" user - those not interested in computers, only what they do. The first unusual thing is that it can catch interest at all, the next is some variant of "wow". It can even catch Mac enthusiasts - a top-notch designer of graphics for broadcast television I showed this ana WP7 phone to, admitted that he was attracted by the clean and non-aggressive design and the "soft" feeling of the interface - he called it European.

Also, think of POS applications where touch screens are widely used. Now everyone will be offered a standard interface.

Of course, you can have a stand for your tablet to place it upright and attach a physical keyboard to mimic a normal pc, but I seriously doubt that this is what people have in mind when they decide for a tablet.

/gustav


>>> accessd at shaw.ca 03-12-2011 03:01 >>>
Good or bad?

The ARM desktops will put Microsoft's tablets on the same level as iPad.
They will just have their apps running off the internet.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 3:23 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] No Desktop Apps on Win8 on ARM?

http://www.zdnet.com/blog/microsoft/microsoft-to-drop-desktop-app-from-windows-8-arm-tablets/11325

-- 
Stuart




From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Sun Dec  4 13:01:12 2011
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2011 14:01:12 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Office 2010 new Insert Screenshot feature
In-Reply-To: <4C604E0C.32179.1826E77F@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <8335B4A509E045B59416FA71AF29DC07@salvationomc4p>,
	<AANLkTikURbv7bJ0sw_xp0etZ5vVHbPXrpivgCfLy3GS8@mail.gmail.com>,
	<B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B00E8F1D330A@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>
	<4C604E0C.32179.1826E77F@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <4EDBC378.6080501@torchlake.com>

Thanks, Stuart,
I learned something new.  Didn't know about that Irfanview feature.
T

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields at torchlake.com
231-322-2787


On 8/9/2010 2:50 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote:
> No ned for PrtScn.
>
> Open Irfanview and hit "C", specify what capture options you want and click start.
>
> Then Ctrl+F11 does the capture ( unkess you have selected ."Custom Rectangle/Region
> capture" in which case it gives you a "capture cursor" immediately.
>
>


From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sun Dec  4 15:45:21 2011
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2011 07:45:21 +1000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Office 2010 new Insert Screenshot feature
In-Reply-To: <4EDBC378.6080501@torchlake.com>
References: <8335B4A509E045B59416FA71AF29DC07@salvationomc4p>,
	<4C604E0C.32179.1826E77F@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>,
	<4EDBC378.6080501@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <4EDBE9F1.8434.11DE8CC2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Replying to a 14 month old post?   Have you just go round to cleaning up your inbox?  :-)

-- 
Stuart

On 4 Dec 2011 at 14:01, Tina Norris Fields wrote:

> Thanks, Stuart,
> I learned something new.  Didn't know about that Irfanview feature.
> T
> 
> Tina Norris Fields
> tinanfields at torchlake.com
> 231-322-2787
> 
> 
> On 8/9/2010 2:50 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote:
> > No ned for PrtScn.
> >
> > Open Irfanview and hit "C", specify what capture options you want and click start.
> >
> > Then Ctrl+F11 does the capture ( unkess you have selected ."Custom Rectangle/Region
> > capture" in which case it gives you a "capture cursor" immediately.
> >
> >
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Mon Dec  5 08:16:28 2011
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 09:16:28 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] First Quad-Core Tablet
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1ibH1MtRmoyNj9BvkYcxjKGJQAi7zT2seTK6HhcWAtJBg@mail.gmail.com>

>From slashdot:

*"The Asus Eee Pad Transformer Prime happens to the first Quad-Core Android
Tablet <http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2397083,00.asp>, which also
makes it the fastest and most powerful tablet. The secret ingredient is
Nvidia's five-core Tegra 3 chipset, including four cores which work
together at up to 1.4GHz each and a 'companion core' which runs alone. When
tested on the Antutu system benchmark, the Prime scored a breathtaking
10,619, which is roughly double the score of even fast devices like the HTC
Jetstream. Benchmark results for Sunspider and Browsermark browsing scored
at 17ms and 98324, respectively, which also happened to be amongst the
best. The tablet weighs 1.3 pounds and measures 10.4 by 7.1 inches, but
it's very slim at 0.3 inches."*

-- 
Arthur
Cell: 647.710.1314

Thirty spokes converge on a hub
but it's the emptiness
that makes a wheel work
   -- from the Daodejing


From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Mon Dec  5 13:58:36 2011
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 11:58:36 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] First Quad-Core Tablet
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1ibH1MtRmoyNj9BvkYcxjKGJQAi7zT2seTK6HhcWAtJBg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1ibH1MtRmoyNj9BvkYcxjKGJQAi7zT2seTK6HhcWAtJBg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8CD690BB-C87C-41A4-A437-21B847127F00@phulse.com>


It's going to need all the power it can get to play flash content. :P

- Hans


On 2011-12-05, at 6:16 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote:

> From slashdot:
> 
> *"The Asus Eee Pad Transformer Prime happens to the first Quad-Core Android
> Tablet <http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2397083,00.asp>, which also
> makes it the fastest and most powerful tablet. The secret ingredient is
> Nvidia's five-core Tegra 3 chipset, including four cores which work
> together at up to 1.4GHz each and a 'companion core' which runs alone. When
> tested on the Antutu system benchmark, the Prime scored a breathtaking
> 10,619, which is roughly double the score of even fast devices like the HTC
> Jetstream. Benchmark results for Sunspider and Browsermark browsing scored
> at 17ms and 98324, respectively, which also happened to be amongst the
> best. The tablet weighs 1.3 pounds and measures 10.4 by 7.1 inches, but
> it's very slim at 0.3 inches."*
> 
> -- 
> Arthur
> Cell: 647.710.1314
> 
> Thirty spokes converge on a hub
> but it's the emptiness
> that makes a wheel work
>   -- from the Daodejing
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
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From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Mon Dec  5 14:09:17 2011
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2011 15:09:17 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Office 2010 new Insert Screenshot feature
In-Reply-To: <4EDBE9F1.8434.11DE8CC2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <8335B4A509E045B59416FA71AF29DC07@salvationomc4p>,
	<4C604E0C.32179.1826E77F@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>,
	<4EDBC378.6080501@torchlake.com>
	<4EDBE9F1.8434.11DE8CC2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <4EDD24ED.3000702@torchlake.com>

Ummmm yup <hanging her head sheepishly>
T

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields at torchlake.com
231-322-2787


On 12/4/2011 4:45 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote:
> Replying to a 14 month old post?   Have you just go round to cleaning up your inbox?  :-)
>


From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Tue Dec  6 08:18:03 2011
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 09:18:03 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 7 $99
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1hOAC3JLujBB7OT17_eJ6ypjz6_Lu+9PUQvY=TQtxuyRg@mail.gmail.com>

Those who haven't upgraded yet may want to, but you have to act within the
next few days. See http://www.infopackets.com/.

Arthur
-- 
Cell: 647.710.1314

Thirty spokes converge on a hub
but it's the emptiness
that makes a wheel work
   -- from the Daodejing


From eptept at gmail.com  Tue Dec  6 09:18:55 2011
From: eptept at gmail.com (Ed Tesiny)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 10:18:55 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 7 $99
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1hOAC3JLujBB7OT17_eJ6ypjz6_Lu+9PUQvY=TQtxuyRg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1hOAC3JLujBB7OT17_eJ6ypjz6_Lu+9PUQvY=TQtxuyRg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAEkqQpWVAs_NdMTFHQQ=-6=YvzJ7rLsHC6+Fhf7pLU-ubAcJvw@mail.gmail.com>

Looks like it's up to $141 now

On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 9:18 AM, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com>wrote:

> Those who haven't upgraded yet may want to, but you have to act within the
> next few days. See http://www.infopackets.com/.
>
> Arthur
> --
> Cell: 647.710.1314
>
> Thirty spokes converge on a hub
> but it's the emptiness
> that makes a wheel work
>   -- from the Daodejing
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From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Tue Dec  6 12:21:16 2011
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2011 13:21:16 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 7 $99
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1hOAC3JLujBB7OT17_eJ6ypjz6_Lu+9PUQvY=TQtxuyRg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1hOAC3JLujBB7OT17_eJ6ypjz6_Lu+9PUQvY=TQtxuyRg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4EDE5D1C.8010108@torchlake.com>

Really nice.  I wish they would make that same offer for the 
Professional version.
T

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields at torchlake.com
231-322-2787


On 12/6/2011 9:18 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote:
> Those who haven't upgraded yet may want to, but you have to act within the
> next few days. See http://www.infopackets.com/.
>
> Arthur


From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Wed Dec  7 07:07:11 2011
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 08:07:11 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Sub-$100 tablet released
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1hvv+QtULuZCLsjZTTn4uhVKRAgv+mULcoiqrjhWSZSgA@mail.gmail.com>

So far, only in China, but available in other countries in the next several
months.
http://www.itworld.com/230459/tablet-priced-under-100-android-40-surfaces.
Incidentally, what's a capacitive screen?

Arthur

-- 
Cell: 647.710.1314

Thirty spokes converge on a hub
but it's the emptiness
that makes a wheel work
   -- from the Daodejing


From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Wed Dec  7 08:59:27 2011
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 06:59:27 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Sub-$100 tablet released
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1hvv+QtULuZCLsjZTTn4uhVKRAgv+mULcoiqrjhWSZSgA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1hvv+QtULuZCLsjZTTn4uhVKRAgv+mULcoiqrjhWSZSgA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E2A5FDE8-A70D-484C-8D9E-CAB691C20107@phulse.com>


Not a terribly fast or powerful tablet, but it's cool none the less. The only thing is that while it is sub-$100 in China, once it comes over here, that price tag is going to go up significantly. Probably double the price, if not more.

> Incidentally, what's a capacitive screen?

I believe that is referring to the touch sensitive aspect of a screen?

- Hans


On 2011-12-07, at 5:07 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote:

> So far, only in China, but available in other countries in the next several
> months.
> http://www.itworld.com/230459/tablet-priced-under-100-android-40-surfaces.
> Incidentally, what's a capacitive screen?
> 
> Arthur
> 
> -- 
> Cell: 647.710.1314
> 
> Thirty spokes converge on a hub
> but it's the emptiness
> that makes a wheel work
>   -- from the Daodejing
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Wed Dec  7 09:23:42 2011
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 10:23:42 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Sub-$100 tablet released
In-Reply-To: <E2A5FDE8-A70D-484C-8D9E-CAB691C20107@phulse.com>
References: <CAEPJO1hvv+QtULuZCLsjZTTn4uhVKRAgv+mULcoiqrjhWSZSgA@mail.gmail.com>
	<E2A5FDE8-A70D-484C-8D9E-CAB691C20107@phulse.com>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1iM8CcB-6cudoALdYD07oDnUqWCTmSFyctUD15hainEPQ@mail.gmail.com>

Not according to that release: they're saying "at similar pricepoints",
which I don't think means more than twice as much.

On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 9:59 AM, Hans-Christian Andersen <
hans.andersen at phulse.com> wrote:

>
> Not a terribly fast or powerful tablet, but it's cool none the less. The
> only thing is that while it is sub-$100 in China, once it comes over here,
> that price tag is going to go up significantly. Probably double the price,
> if not more.
>
>


From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Dec  7 09:53:44 2011
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 07:53:44 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Sub-$100 tablet released
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1hvv+QtULuZCLsjZTTn4uhVKRAgv+mULcoiqrjhWSZSgA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1hvv+QtULuZCLsjZTTn4uhVKRAgv+mULcoiqrjhWSZSgA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <55FBD24D5DBF4D809786A98BF7A98119@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Very impressive Arthur.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 5:07 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] Sub-$100 tablet released

So far, only in China, but available in other countries in the next several
months.
http://www.itworld.com/230459/tablet-priced-under-100-android-40-surfaces.
Incidentally, what's a capacitive screen?

Arthur

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From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Wed Dec  7 11:08:02 2011
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 09:08:02 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Sub-$100 tablet released
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1iM8CcB-6cudoALdYD07oDnUqWCTmSFyctUD15hainEPQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1hvv+QtULuZCLsjZTTn4uhVKRAgv+mULcoiqrjhWSZSgA@mail.gmail.com>
	<E2A5FDE8-A70D-484C-8D9E-CAB691C20107@phulse.com>
	<CAEPJO1iM8CcB-6cudoALdYD07oDnUqWCTmSFyctUD15hainEPQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <691248CA-5E7F-4CCD-A393-33CD9933A3CB@phulse.com>

Ah ok. If true, that might truly be a great gift to give your children. If it breaks, it is no great loss. Pretty cool.

- Hans

Sent from my iPhone

On 2011-12-07, at 7:23 AM, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com> wrote:

> Not according to that release: they're saying "at similar pricepoints",
> which I don't think means more than twice as much.
> 
> On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 9:59 AM, Hans-Christian Andersen <
> hans.andersen at phulse.com> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> Not a terribly fast or powerful tablet, but it's cool none the less. The
>> only thing is that while it is sub-$100 in China, once it comes over here,
>> that price tag is going to go up significantly. Probably double the price,
>> if not more.
>> 
>> 
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From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Wed Dec  7 17:20:15 2011
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 15:20:15 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech]  Former Google intern explains UI lag on Android
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1ibH1MtRmoyNj9BvkYcxjKGJQAi7zT2seTK6HhcWAtJBg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1ibH1MtRmoyNj9BvkYcxjKGJQAi7zT2seTK6HhcWAtJBg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A003A73B-59CD-48F9-8C86-15B8F7522527@phulse.com>


http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/11/12/07/former_google_intern_explains_why_ui_lag_occurs_more_often_in_android_than_ios.html


"According to Munn, the reason behind the design change is that the original Android prototype didn't have a touchscreen, as it was meant to be a BlackBerry competitor. As such, Android's architecture is meant to support a keyboard and trackball. Munn further claimed that after the original iPhone arrived in 2007, Google rushed to complete Android, but "it was too late to rewrite the UI framework."

He cited Windows Mobile 6.5,  BlackBerry OS and Symbian as examples of other older operating systems that suffered similar problems with touch performance. Microsoft,  RIM and Nokia have all abandoned those OSes in order to start from scratch. "Android is the only mobile OS left that existed pre-iPhone," the report noted."

- Hans

From kathryn at bassett.net  Wed Dec  7 19:37:25 2011
From: kathryn at bassett.net (Kathryn Bassett)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 17:37:25 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Sub-$100 tablet released
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1hvv+QtULuZCLsjZTTn4uhVKRAgv+mULcoiqrjhWSZSgA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1hvv+QtULuZCLsjZTTn4uhVKRAgv+mULcoiqrjhWSZSgA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <016d01ccb549$f0514600$d0f3d200$@net>

Arthur asked:
> Incidentally, what's a capacitive screen?

http://tinyurl.com/7b27lfh


--
Kathryn Rhinehart Bassett (Pasadena CA)
"Genealogy is my bag" "GH is my soap"
kathryn at bassett.net
http://bassett.net?? 






From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Fri Dec  9 09:03:15 2011
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2011 10:03:15 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: I Didn't Make this Up
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1jaXzgKwBdwQ_KH2WEpeu_1TLSU2s9=mvcgXMUPChhCkA@mail.gmail.com>

I'm quoting from today's newspaper...

"Recently passed U.S. Senate legislation would make sodomy and sex with
animals legal under military law, ending long-standing prohibitions and
triggering cries of perversion from conservative groups.
"The bill would repeal Article 125 of the Uniform Code of Military Justice,
which states that any person who engages in "unnatural carnal copulation
with another person of the same or opposite sex or with an animal is guilty
of sodomy."

This most definitely gives me, at least, several occasions to pause:

a) implication that liberals had no objections? And what about Ralph
Nader's party?
b) "unnatural carnal copulation" raises several flags, including "natural"
vs. "unnatural", "carnal copulation vs. umm?"
c) "or with an animal"... of either sex?

-- 
Cell: 647.710.1314

Thirty spokes converge on a hub
but it's the emptiness
that makes a wheel work
   -- from the Daodejing


From df.waters at comcast.net  Fri Dec  9 09:17:38 2011
From: df.waters at comcast.net (Dan Waters)
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2011 09:17:38 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: I Didn't Make this Up
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1jaXzgKwBdwQ_KH2WEpeu_1TLSU2s9=mvcgXMUPChhCkA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1jaXzgKwBdwQ_KH2WEpeu_1TLSU2s9=mvcgXMUPChhCkA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000001ccb685$afeb49c0$0fc1dd40$@comcast.net>

I agree.  We need to get government out of our bedrooms, tents, foxholes,
and pastures!

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Friday, December 09, 2011 9:03 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: I Didn't Make this Up

I'm quoting from today's newspaper...

"Recently passed U.S. Senate legislation would make sodomy and sex with
animals legal under military law, ending long-standing prohibitions and
triggering cries of perversion from conservative groups.
"The bill would repeal Article 125 of the Uniform Code of Military Justice,
which states that any person who engages in "unnatural carnal copulation
with another person of the same or opposite sex or with an animal is guilty
of sodomy."

This most definitely gives me, at least, several occasions to pause:

a) implication that liberals had no objections? And what about Ralph Nader's
party?
b) "unnatural carnal copulation" raises several flags, including "natural"
vs. "unnatural", "carnal copulation vs. umm?"
c) "or with an animal"... of either sex?

--
Cell: 647.710.1314

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but it's the emptiness
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From michael at mattysconsulting.com  Fri Dec  9 10:07:16 2011
From: michael at mattysconsulting.com (Michael Mattys)
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2011 11:07:16 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: I Didn't Make this Up
In-Reply-To: <000001ccb685$afeb49c0$0fc1dd40$@comcast.net>
References: <CAEPJO1jaXzgKwBdwQ_KH2WEpeu_1TLSU2s9=mvcgXMUPChhCkA@mail.gmail.com>
	<000001ccb685$afeb49c0$0fc1dd40$@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <003d01ccb68c$a00d61d0$e0282570$@mattysconsulting.com>

Did anyone take the time to determine why it was outlawed in the first
place?
Perhaps there's an amusing twist here ... lol, what do we need "government"
for, anyway?

Michael R Mattys
Mattys Consulting, LLC
www.mattysconsulting.com


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Friday, December 09, 2011 10:18 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] OT: I Didn't Make this Up

I agree.  We need to get government out of our bedrooms, tents, foxholes,
and pastures!

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Friday, December 09, 2011 9:03 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: I Didn't Make this Up

I'm quoting from today's newspaper...

"Recently passed U.S. Senate legislation would make sodomy and sex with
animals legal under military law, ending long-standing prohibitions and
triggering cries of perversion from conservative groups.
"The bill would repeal Article 125 of the Uniform Code of Military Justice,
which states that any person who engages in "unnatural carnal copulation
with another person of the same or opposite sex or with an animal is guilty
of sodomy."

This most definitely gives me, at least, several occasions to pause:

a) implication that liberals had no objections? And what about Ralph Nader's
party?
b) "unnatural carnal copulation" raises several flags, including "natural"
vs. "unnatural", "carnal copulation vs. umm?"
c) "or with an animal"... of either sex?

--
Cell: 647.710.1314

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but it's the emptiness
that makes a wheel work
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From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Fri Dec  9 10:09:48 2011
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2011 08:09:48 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: I Didn't Make this Up
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1jaXzgKwBdwQ_KH2WEpeu_1TLSU2s9=mvcgXMUPChhCkA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1jaXzgKwBdwQ_KH2WEpeu_1TLSU2s9=mvcgXMUPChhCkA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E1A3C04E-359D-4D00-8F2F-381BE57589B8@phulse.com>


Notice how there is no mention of extraterrestrials?

*puts on tin foil hat*

- Hans




On 2011-12-09, at 7:03 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote:

> I'm quoting from today's newspaper...
> 
> "Recently passed U.S. Senate legislation would make sodomy and sex with
> animals legal under military law, ending long-standing prohibitions and
> triggering cries of perversion from conservative groups.
> "The bill would repeal Article 125 of the Uniform Code of Military Justice,
> which states that any person who engages in "unnatural carnal copulation
> with another person of the same or opposite sex or with an animal is guilty
> of sodomy."
> 
> This most definitely gives me, at least, several occasions to pause:
> 
> a) implication that liberals had no objections? And what about Ralph
> Nader's party?
> b) "unnatural carnal copulation" raises several flags, including "natural"
> vs. "unnatural", "carnal copulation vs. umm?"
> c) "or with an animal"... of either sex?
> 
> -- 
> Cell: 647.710.1314
> 
> Thirty spokes converge on a hub
> but it's the emptiness
> that makes a wheel work
>   -- from the Daodejing
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Fri Dec  9 10:14:58 2011
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2011 11:14:58 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: I Didn't Make this Up
References: <CAEPJO1jaXzgKwBdwQ_KH2WEpeu_1TLSU2s9=mvcgXMUPChhCkA@mail.gmail.com><000001ccb685$afeb49c0$0fc1dd40$@comcast.net>
	<003d01ccb68c$a00d61d0$e0282570$@mattysconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <20C9B645900B4577BC07E6297C0FA564@SusanHarkins>

Well, at the very least,  it's difficult to get a sheep's consent.

Susan H.


> Did anyone take the time to determine why it was outlawed in the first
> place?
> Perhaps there's an amusing twist here ... lol, what do we need 
> "government"
> for, anyway?
>
>
> I agree.  We need to get government out of our bedrooms, tents, foxholes,
> and pastures!
>
>
> I'm quoting from today's newspaper...
>
> "Recently passed U.S. Senate legislation would make sodomy and sex with
> animals legal under military law, ending long-standing prohibitions and
> triggering cries of perversion from conservative groups.
> "The bill would repeal Article 125 of the Uniform Code of Military 
> Justice,
> which states that any person who engages in "unnatural carnal copulation
> with another person of the same or opposite sex or with an animal is 
> guilty
> of sodomy."
>
> This most definitely gives me, at least, several occasions to pause:
>
> a) implication that liberals had no objections? And what about Ralph 
> Nader's
> party?
> b) "unnatural carnal copulation" raises several flags, including "natural"
> vs. "unnatural", "carnal copulation vs. umm?"
> c) "or with an animal"... of either sex?
>



From jon.tydda at lonza.com  Fri Dec  9 10:12:00 2011
From: jon.tydda at lonza.com (Tydda Jon - Slough)
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2011 17:12:00 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: I Didn't Make this Up
In-Reply-To: <20C9B645900B4577BC07E6297C0FA564@SusanHarkins>
References: <CAEPJO1jaXzgKwBdwQ_KH2WEpeu_1TLSU2s9=mvcgXMUPChhCkA@mail.gmail.com><000001ccb685$afeb49c0$0fc1dd40$@comcast.net>
	<003d01ccb68c$a00d61d0$e0282570$@mattysconsulting.com>
	<20C9B645900B4577BC07E6297C0FA564@SusanHarkins>
Message-ID: <A750CC0AAE63CB489C58478FF67DE6321B0497E990@chvex03.lonzagroup.net>

One baa for yes, two for no?


Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: 09 December 2011 16:15
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] OT: I Didn't Make this Up

Well, at the very least,  it's difficult to get a sheep's consent.

Susan H.


> Did anyone take the time to determine why it was outlawed in the first
> place?
> Perhaps there's an amusing twist here ... lol, what do we need
> "government"
> for, anyway?
>
>
> I agree.  We need to get government out of our bedrooms, tents,
> foxholes, and pastures!
>
>
> I'm quoting from today's newspaper...
>
> "Recently passed U.S. Senate legislation would make sodomy and sex
> with animals legal under military law, ending long-standing
> prohibitions and triggering cries of perversion from conservative groups.
> "The bill would repeal Article 125 of the Uniform Code of Military
> Justice, which states that any person who engages in "unnatural carnal
> copulation with another person of the same or opposite sex or with an
> animal is guilty of sodomy."
>
> This most definitely gives me, at least, several occasions to pause:
>
> a) implication that liberals had no objections? And what about Ralph
> Nader's party?
> b) "unnatural carnal copulation" raises several flags, including "natural"
> vs. "unnatural", "carnal copulation vs. umm?"
> c) "or with an animal"... of either sex?
>

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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Fri Dec  9 10:20:52 2011
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2011 08:20:52 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: I Didn't Make this Up
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Don't we need to protect the precious bodily fluids of our national
livestock from cross-species adulteration?

R


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Michael Mattys
Sent: Friday, December 09, 2011 8:07 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] OT: I Didn't Make this Up

Did anyone take the time to determine why it was outlawed in the first
place?
Perhaps there's an amusing twist here ... lol, what do we need "government"
for, anyway?

Michael R Mattys
Mattys Consulting, LLC
www.mattysconsulting.com


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Friday, December 09, 2011 10:18 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] OT: I Didn't Make this Up

I agree.  We need to get government out of our bedrooms, tents, foxholes,
and pastures!

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Friday, December 09, 2011 9:03 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: I Didn't Make this Up

I'm quoting from today's newspaper...

"Recently passed U.S. Senate legislation would make sodomy and sex with
animals legal under military law, ending long-standing prohibitions and
triggering cries of perversion from conservative groups.
"The bill would repeal Article 125 of the Uniform Code of Military Justice,
which states that any person who engages in "unnatural carnal copulation
with another person of the same or opposite sex or with an animal is guilty
of sodomy."

This most definitely gives me, at least, several occasions to pause:

a) implication that liberals had no objections? And what about Ralph Nader's
party?
b) "unnatural carnal copulation" raises several flags, including "natural"
vs. "unnatural", "carnal copulation vs. umm?"
c) "or with an animal"... of either sex?

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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Fri Dec  9 10:39:15 2011
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2011 11:39:15 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: I Didn't Make this Up
In-Reply-To: <95CB340071364612AD3CF7E4B131268D@HAL9007>
References: <CAEPJO1jaXzgKwBdwQ_KH2WEpeu_1TLSU2s9=mvcgXMUPChhCkA@mail.gmail.com>
	<000001ccb685$afeb49c0$0fc1dd40$@comcast.net>
	<003d01ccb68c$a00d61d0$e0282570$@mattysconsulting.com>
	<95CB340071364612AD3CF7E4B131268D@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1i70_ddJ4=m5OMwzqe3AknR7B-D4SG-XoAM11t5d0AbNg@mail.gmail.com>

Don't be so hasty, Rocky! In certain unmentioned societies be a purpose for
people cross-bred with obedient sheep. :) However, the converse is also
true: certain societies might well have a use for sheep that can do math.

In both situations, we need to preserve some originals of both species, if
only for further experiments, such as humans+bats=soldiers able to war in
the dark, using only sonic data.

A.

On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at 11:20 AM, Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>wrote:

> Don't we need to protect the precious bodily fluids of our national
> livestock from cross-species adulteration?
>
> R
>
>
>


From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Fri Dec  9 10:39:47 2011
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2011 11:39:47 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: I Didn't Make this Up
In-Reply-To: <A750CC0AAE63CB489C58478FF67DE6321B0497E990@chvex03.lonzagroup.net>
References: <CAEPJO1jaXzgKwBdwQ_KH2WEpeu_1TLSU2s9=mvcgXMUPChhCkA@mail.gmail.com>
	<000001ccb685$afeb49c0$0fc1dd40$@comcast.net>
	<003d01ccb68c$a00d61d0$e0282570$@mattysconsulting.com>
	<20C9B645900B4577BC07E6297C0FA564@SusanHarkins>
	<A750CC0AAE63CB489C58478FF67DE6321B0497E990@chvex03.lonzagroup.net>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1i0Jccks1E4dUd4nnSCm-SkSoFh6hrjTw41N7pK9tK7Ow@mail.gmail.com>

To elevate the tone of this thread somewhat, has anyone seen "The Diving
Bell and the Butterfly", based on a true story of an editor of Elle
magazine, who suffered a stroke and then, unable to move anything but one
eyelid, wrote a book about his life and his stroke and the subsequent
events? It was directed by Julian Shnabel, also famous for his paintings,
and IMHO stands as perhaps the greatest movie ever made. It has nothing at
all to do with sex with animals, but rather "one baa for yes, two for no".
His nurses and therapists presented him with a slate of the alphabet, but
not in alphabetic order, but rather in order of frequency of use.

Not only is the story itself remarkable, but the filming of it is utterly
extraordinary. I've seen thousands of films, I've even studied the history
of film when in university, and seen thousands of films since. This one is
IMHO a masterpiece.

A.

On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at 11:12 AM, Tydda Jon - Slough <jon.tydda at lonza.com>wrote:

> One baa for yes, two for no?
>
>


From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Fri Dec  9 10:42:36 2011
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2011 08:42:36 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: I Didn't Make this Up
In-Reply-To: <20C9B645900B4577BC07E6297C0FA564@SusanHarkins>
References: <CAEPJO1jaXzgKwBdwQ_KH2WEpeu_1TLSU2s9=mvcgXMUPChhCkA@mail.gmail.com><000001ccb685$afeb49c0$0fc1dd40$@comcast.net><003d01ccb68c$a00d61d0$e0282570$@mattysconsulting.com>
	<20C9B645900B4577BC07E6297C0FA564@SusanHarkins>
Message-ID: <112A4F38A0FF4958A8046751EF45FB61@HAL9007>

Really?  Isn't that why they call them sheep?

R
 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Friday, December 09, 2011 8:15 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] OT: I Didn't Make this Up

Well, at the very least,  it's difficult to get a sheep's consent.

Susan H.


> Did anyone take the time to determine why it was outlawed in the first 
> place?
> Perhaps there's an amusing twist here ... lol, what do we need 
> "government"
> for, anyway?
>
>
> I agree.  We need to get government out of our bedrooms, tents, 
> foxholes, and pastures!
>
>
> I'm quoting from today's newspaper...
>
> "Recently passed U.S. Senate legislation would make sodomy and sex 
> with animals legal under military law, ending long-standing 
> prohibitions and triggering cries of perversion from conservative groups.
> "The bill would repeal Article 125 of the Uniform Code of Military 
> Justice, which states that any person who engages in "unnatural carnal 
> copulation with another person of the same or opposite sex or with an 
> animal is guilty of sodomy."
>
> This most definitely gives me, at least, several occasions to pause:
>
> a) implication that liberals had no objections? And what about Ralph 
> Nader's party?
> b) "unnatural carnal copulation" raises several flags, including "natural"
> vs. "unnatural", "carnal copulation vs. umm?"
> c) "or with an animal"... of either sex?
>

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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Fri Dec  9 10:44:27 2011
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2011 08:44:27 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: I Didn't Make this Up
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1i70_ddJ4=m5OMwzqe3AknR7B-D4SG-XoAM11t5d0AbNg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1jaXzgKwBdwQ_KH2WEpeu_1TLSU2s9=mvcgXMUPChhCkA@mail.gmail.com><000001ccb685$afeb49c0$0fc1dd40$@comcast.net><003d01ccb68c$a00d61d0$e0282570$@mattysconsulting.com><95CB340071364612AD3CF7E4B131268D@HAL9007>
	<CAEPJO1i70_ddJ4=m5OMwzqe3AknR7B-D4SG-XoAM11t5d0AbNg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0E23907763884557AF76B22FFA25E104@HAL9007>

Apostate!  (I'll pray for your soul.)

R
 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Friday, December 09, 2011 8:39 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] OT: I Didn't Make this Up

Don't be so hasty, Rocky! In certain unmentioned societies be a purpose for
people cross-bred with obedient sheep. :) However, the converse is also
true: certain societies might well have a use for sheep that can do math.

In both situations, we need to preserve some originals of both species, if
only for further experiments, such as humans+bats=soldiers able to war in
the dark, using only sonic data.

A.

On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at 11:20 AM, Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>wrote:

> Don't we need to protect the precious bodily fluids of our national 
> livestock from cross-species adulteration?
>
> R
>
>
>
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From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Fri Dec  9 11:08:04 2011
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2011 12:08:04 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: I Didn't Make this Up
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1i70_ddJ4=m5OMwzqe3AknR7B-D4SG-XoAM11t5d0AbNg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1jaXzgKwBdwQ_KH2WEpeu_1TLSU2s9=mvcgXMUPChhCkA@mail.gmail.com><000001ccb685$afeb49c0$0fc1dd40$@comcast.net><003
	d01ccb68c$a00d61d0$e0282570$@mattysconsulting.com><95CB340071364612AD3CF7E4B131268D@HAL9007>
	<CAEPJO1i70_ddJ4=m5OMwzqe3AknR7B-D4SG-XoAM11t5d0AbNg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4EE24074.1050902@torchlake.com>

Made me laugh, it did!
T

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields at torchlake.com
231-322-2787


On 12/9/2011 11:39 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote:
> Don't be so hasty, Rocky! In certain unmentioned societies be a purpose for
> people cross-bred with obedient sheep. :) However, the converse is also
> true: certain societies might well have a use for sheep that can do math.
>
> In both situations, we need to preserve some originals of both species, if
> only for further experiments, such as humans+bats=soldiers able to war in
> the dark, using only sonic data.
>
> A.
>
> On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at 11:20 AM, Rocky Smolin<rockysmolin at bchacc.com>wrote:
>
>> Don't we need to protect the precious bodily fluids of our national
>> livestock from cross-species adulteration?
>>
>> R
>>
>>
>>
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Fri Dec  9 15:20:47 2011
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 07:20:47 +1000
Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: I Didn't Make this Up
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1jaXzgKwBdwQ_KH2WEpeu_1TLSU2s9=mvcgXMUPChhCkA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1jaXzgKwBdwQ_KH2WEpeu_1TLSU2s9=mvcgXMUPChhCkA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4EE27BAF.18650.18D10511@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Legalese:
"carnal copulation" is the insertion of the p*n*s into any bodily orifice.
"unnatural" carnal copulation is  an*l or oral  as opposed to v*g*n*l.

Note that both  oral and an*l sex between a consenting  man and a woman are a crime under 
the section as written.  IOW, it is a currently a crime against this section for a wife to give her 
husband a BJ  if either party is in the Military..

Without knowing what other sections still exist  or have been added to replace the repealed 
section, it is impossible to say what acts have actually been decriminalised by the 
amendments.


-- 
Stuart

On 9 Dec 2011 at 10:03, Arthur Fuller wrote:

> I'm quoting from today's newspaper...
> 
> "Recently passed U.S. Senate legislation would make sodomy and sex with
> animals legal under military law, ending long-standing prohibitions and
> triggering cries of perversion from conservative groups.
> "The bill would repeal Article 125 of the Uniform Code of Military Justice,
> which states that any person who engages in "unnatural carnal copulation
> with another person of the same or opposite sex or with an animal is guilty
> of sodomy."
> 
> This most definitely gives me, at least, several occasions to pause:
> 
> a) implication that liberals had no objections? And what about Ralph
> Nader's party?
> b) "unnatural carnal copulation" raises several flags, including "natural"
> vs. "unnatural", "carnal copulation vs. umm?"
> c) "or with an animal"... of either sex?
> 
> -- 
> Cell: 647.710.1314
> 
> Thirty spokes converge on a hub
> but it's the emptiness
> that makes a wheel work
>    -- from the Daodejing
> _______________________________________________
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From peter.brawley at earthlink.net  Fri Dec  9 15:28:16 2011
From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley)
Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2011 15:28:16 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: I Didn't Make this Up
In-Reply-To: <4EE27BAF.18650.18D10511@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <CAEPJO1jaXzgKwBdwQ_KH2WEpeu_1TLSU2s9=mvcgXMUPChhCkA@mail.gmail.com>
	<4EE27BAF.18650.18D10511@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <4EE27D70.5080600@earthlink.net>

On 12/9/2011 3:20 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote:
> Legalese:
> "carnal copulation" is the insertion of the p*n*s into any bodily orifice.
> "unnatural" carnal copulation is  an*l or oral  as opposed to v*g*n*l.
>
> Note that both  oral and an*l sex between a consenting  man and a woman are a crime under
> the section as written.  IOW, it is a currently a crime against this section for a wife to give her
> husband a BJ  if either party is in the Military..
What a country :-) , let's all teleport back to the 18th century.

PB

------

>
> Without knowing what other sections still exist  or have been added to replace the repealed
> section, it is impossible to say what acts have actually been decriminalised by the
> amendments.
>
>


From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Fri Dec  9 15:55:52 2011
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2011 16:55:52 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: I Didn't Make this Up
In-Reply-To: <4EE27D70.5080600@earthlink.net>
References: <CAEPJO1jaXzgKwBdwQ_KH2WEpeu_1TLSU2s9=mvcgXMUPChhCkA@mail.gmail.com><4EE27BAF.18650.18D10511@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<4EE27D70.5080600@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <4EE283E8.70301@torchlake.com>

Dear Peter,
Many of the laws we decry were invented back then.  I think I'd rather 
stay here and help straighten up the mess.  :-)
T

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields at torchlake.com
231-322-2787


On 12/9/2011 4:28 PM, Peter Brawley wrote:
> On 12/9/2011 3:20 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote:
>> Legalese:
>> "carnal copulation" is the insertion of the p*n*s into any bodily 
>> orifice.
>> "unnatural" carnal copulation is  an*l or oral  as opposed to v*g*n*l.
>>
>> Note that both  oral and an*l sex between a consenting  man and a 
>> woman are a crime under
>> the section as written.  IOW, it is a currently a crime against this 
>> section for a wife to give her
>> husband a BJ  if either party is in the Military..
> What a country :-) , let's all teleport back to the 18th century.
>
> PB
>
> ------
>
>>
>> Without knowing what other sections still exist  or have been added 
>> to replace the repealed
>> section, it is impossible to say what acts have actually been 
>> decriminalised by the
>> amendments.
>>
>>
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From peter.brawley at earthlink.net  Fri Dec  9 16:01:17 2011
From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley)
Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2011 16:01:17 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: I Didn't Make this Up
In-Reply-To: <4EE283E8.70301@torchlake.com>
References: <CAEPJO1jaXzgKwBdwQ_KH2WEpeu_1TLSU2s9=mvcgXMUPChhCkA@mail.gmail.com><4EE27BAF.18650.18D10511@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<4EE27D70.5080600@earthlink.net> <4EE283E8.70301@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <4EE2852D.2030703@earthlink.net>

On 12/9/2011 3:55 PM, Tina Norris Fields wrote:
> Dear Peter,
> Many of the laws we decry were invented back then.  I think I'd rather 
> stay here and help straighten up the mess.  :-)
Heh, it's not going to happen in a country where corporations can buy 
any election they like and the politicians they own are loyal to 
delusional hard right religionists.

P.

-----
> T
>
> Tina Norris Fields
> tinanfields at torchlake.com
> 231-322-2787
>
>
> On 12/9/2011 4:28 PM, Peter Brawley wrote:
>> On 12/9/2011 3:20 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote:
>>> Legalese:
>>> "carnal copulation" is the insertion of the p*n*s into any bodily 
>>> orifice.
>>> "unnatural" carnal copulation is  an*l or oral  as opposed to v*g*n*l.
>>>
>>> Note that both  oral and an*l sex between a consenting  man and a 
>>> woman are a crime under
>>> the section as written.  IOW, it is a currently a crime against this 
>>> section for a wife to give her
>>> husband a BJ  if either party is in the Military..
>> What a country :-) , let's all teleport back to the 18th century.
>>
>> PB
>>
>> ------
>>
>>>
>>> Without knowing what other sections still exist  or have been added 
>>> to replace the repealed
>>> section, it is impossible to say what acts have actually been 
>>> decriminalised by the
>>> amendments.
>>>
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Fri Dec  9 17:58:59 2011
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2011 18:58:59 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: I Didn't Make this Up
In-Reply-To: <4EE2852D.2030703@earthlink.net>
References: <CAEPJO1jaXzgKwBdwQ_KH2WEpeu_1TLSU2s9=mvcgXMUPChhCkA@mail.gmail.com>
	<4EE27BAF.18650.18D10511@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<4EE27D70.5080600@earthlink.net> <4EE283E8.70301@torchlake.com>
	<4EE2852D.2030703@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1jEZy8mL_fJFDLtUGJU0O+MvJU23s=kb_Nv20tcpnu6UQ@mail.gmail.com>

Or to paraphrase Stephen Colbert, "What good is money unless you can buy
elections? I mean, how many mansions can you own before it's not worth the
headache of hiring illegals to maintain them?"

A.

On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at 5:01 PM, Peter Brawley
<peter.brawley at earthlink.net>wrote:

> On 12/9/2011 3:55 PM, Tina Norris Fields wrote:
>
>> Dear Peter,
>> Many of the laws we decry were invented back then.  I think I'd rather
>> stay here and help straighten up the mess.  :-)
>>
> Heh, it's not going to happen in a country where corporations can buy any
> election they like and the politicians they own are loyal to delusional
> hard right religionists.
>
> P.
>
>


From peter.brawley at earthlink.net  Fri Dec  9 18:08:34 2011
From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley)
Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2011 18:08:34 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: I Didn't Make this Up
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1jEZy8mL_fJFDLtUGJU0O+MvJU23s=kb_Nv20tcpnu6UQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1jaXzgKwBdwQ_KH2WEpeu_1TLSU2s9=mvcgXMUPChhCkA@mail.gmail.com>
	<4EE27BAF.18650.18D10511@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<4EE27D70.5080600@earthlink.net> <4EE283E8.70301@torchlake.com>
	<4EE2852D.2030703@earthlink.net>
	<CAEPJO1jEZy8mL_fJFDLtUGJU0O+MvJU23s=kb_Nv20tcpnu6UQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4EE2A302.8010009@earthlink.net>

On 12/9/2011 5:58 PM, Arthur Fuller wrote:
> Or to paraphrase Stephen Colbert, "What good is money unless you can buy
> elections? I mean, how many mansions can you own before it's not worth the
> headache of hiring illegals to maintain them?"
LOL.

When are US liberals going to wake up?

P.
>
> A.
>
> On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at 5:01 PM, Peter Brawley
> <peter.brawley at earthlink.net>wrote:
>
>> On 12/9/2011 3:55 PM, Tina Norris Fields wrote:
>>
>>> Dear Peter,
>>> Many of the laws we decry were invented back then.  I think I'd rather
>>> stay here and help straighten up the mess.  :-)
>>>
>> Heh, it's not going to happen in a country where corporations can buy any
>> election they like and the politicians they own are loyal to delusional
>> hard right religionists.
>>
>> P.
>>
>>
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Fri Dec  9 18:39:52 2011
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2011 16:39:52 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: I Didn't Make this Up
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1jEZy8mL_fJFDLtUGJU0O+MvJU23s=kb_Nv20tcpnu6UQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1jaXzgKwBdwQ_KH2WEpeu_1TLSU2s9=mvcgXMUPChhCkA@mail.gmail.com><4EE27BAF.18650.18D10511@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg><4EE27D70.5080600@earthlink.net>
	<4EE283E8.70301@torchlake.com><4EE2852D.2030703@earthlink.net>
	<CAEPJO1jEZy8mL_fJFDLtUGJU0O+MvJU23s=kb_Nv20tcpnu6UQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <657944585AEE4D93B8C8A6744327C4DF@HAL9007>

I heard the economy's so bad Exxon-Mobil had to lay off 12 congressmen.
(ba-da-boom)

Rocky
 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Friday, December 09, 2011 3:59 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] OT: I Didn't Make this Up

Or to paraphrase Stephen Colbert, "What good is money unless you can buy
elections? I mean, how many mansions can you own before it's not worth the
headache of hiring illegals to maintain them?"

A.

On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at 5:01 PM, Peter Brawley
<peter.brawley at earthlink.net>wrote:

> On 12/9/2011 3:55 PM, Tina Norris Fields wrote:
>
>> Dear Peter,
>> Many of the laws we decry were invented back then.  I think I'd 
>> rather stay here and help straighten up the mess.  :-)
>>
> Heh, it's not going to happen in a country where corporations can buy 
> any election they like and the politicians they own are loyal to 
> delusional hard right religionists.
>
> P.
>
>
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Fri Dec  9 21:27:26 2011
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2011 22:27:26 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: I Didn't Make this Up
In-Reply-To: <657944585AEE4D93B8C8A6744327C4DF@HAL9007>
References: <CAEPJO1jaXzgKwBdwQ_KH2WEpeu_1TLSU2s9=mvcgXMUPChhCkA@mail.gmail.com>
	<4EE27BAF.18650.18D10511@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<4EE27D70.5080600@earthlink.net> <4EE283E8.70301@torchlake.com>
	<4EE2852D.2030703@earthlink.net>
	<CAEPJO1jEZy8mL_fJFDLtUGJU0O+MvJU23s=kb_Nv20tcpnu6UQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<657944585AEE4D93B8C8A6744327C4DF@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1gVa34JUhdj5nittT4F8AyTbaep6rCUpQuFesrOZuv48g@mail.gmail.com>

LOL! Double-LOL!

On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at 7:39 PM, Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:

> I heard the economy's so bad Exxon-Mobil had to lay off 12 congressmen.
> (ba-da-boom)
>
> Rocky
>
>


From michael at mattysconsulting.com  Sat Dec 10 06:50:14 2011
From: michael at mattysconsulting.com (Michael Mattys)
Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 07:50:14 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: I Didn't Make this Up
In-Reply-To: <4EE2852D.2030703@earthlink.net>
References: <CAEPJO1jaXzgKwBdwQ_KH2WEpeu_1TLSU2s9=mvcgXMUPChhCkA@mail.gmail.com><4EE27BAF.18650.18D10511@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>	<4EE27D70.5080600@earthlink.net>
	<4EE283E8.70301@torchlake.com> <4EE2852D.2030703@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <005a01ccb73a$43b93860$cb2ba920$@mattysconsulting.com>

It's not going to happen anywhere ...
Human beings cannot live together for very long.

Did you know that there have been over 30,000 wars over 6,000 years?
Can you count the number of books containing laws that have been written?

We don't know right from wrong, regardless of how 'advanced' our technology
gets.

Michael R Mattys
Mattys Consulting, LLC
www.mattysconsulting.com


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Peter Brawley
Sent: Friday, December 09, 2011 5:01 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] OT: I Didn't Make this Up

On 12/9/2011 3:55 PM, Tina Norris Fields wrote:
> Dear Peter,
> Many of the laws we decry were invented back then.  I think I'd rather 
> stay here and help straighten up the mess.  :-)
Heh, it's not going to happen in a country where corporations can buy any
election they like and the politicians they own are loyal to delusional hard
right religionists.

P.

-----
> T
>
> Tina Norris Fields
> tinanfields at torchlake.com
> 231-322-2787
>
>
> On 12/9/2011 4:28 PM, Peter Brawley wrote:
>> On 12/9/2011 3:20 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote:
>>> Legalese:
>>> "carnal copulation" is the insertion of the p*n*s into any bodily 
>>> orifice.
>>> "unnatural" carnal copulation is  an*l or oral  as opposed to v*g*n*l.
>>>
>>> Note that both  oral and an*l sex between a consenting  man and a 
>>> woman are a crime under the section as written.  IOW, it is a 
>>> currently a crime against this section for a wife to give her 
>>> husband a BJ  if either party is in the Military..
>> What a country :-) , let's all teleport back to the 18th century.
>>
>> PB
>>
>> ------
>>
>>>
>>> Without knowing what other sections still exist  or have been added 
>>> to replace the repealed
>>> section, it is impossible to say what acts have actually been 
>>> decriminalised by the
>>> amendments.
>>>
>>>
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Sat Dec 10 09:03:51 2011
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 10:03:51 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Perfect for your young kids
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1igX9mGNyX+UgvJZuWCL4+sqG+siqWk9SWN8TFUNrK7XA@mail.gmail.com>

This from slashdot...

"Buckminster Fuller eat your heart out ? LA-based design firm Scout Regalia
has created a mail-order template for a geodesic gingerbread house that you
can make at home. When you order a Gingerbread Geodesic Dome, you will
receive a cardboard template that is very simple to put together. You then
bake the gingerbread and cut it into little hexagons that are then 'glued'
to the dome shell with icing."

Arthur
-- 
Cell: 647.710.1314

Thirty spokes converge on a hub
but it's the emptiness
that makes a wheel work
   -- from the Daodejing


From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon Dec 12 07:34:54 2011
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 05:34:54 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] 10 technologies that are just plain broken
Message-ID: <4658116F6DFE4DBAB57C4CE4A67855E8@HAL9007>

http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/10things/10-technologies-that-are-just-plai
n-broken/2896?tag=nl.e101
 
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> 
www.e-z-mrp.com <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/> 
Skype: rocky.smolin
 


From john at winhaven.net  Mon Dec 12 16:39:27 2011
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 16:39:27 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Gmail - is there a preview pane option?
Message-ID: <02b701ccb91e$e7ea6f40$b7bf4dc0$@winhaven.net>

Hey Gmail users - is there any way to get a preview pane of the email the
way you can with Outlook. If not native maybe an add-in?

TIA
John B



From ssharkins at gmail.com  Mon Dec 12 16:58:46 2011
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 17:58:46 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Gmail - is there a preview pane option?
References: <02b701ccb91e$e7ea6f40$b7bf4dc0$@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <1F63006B0CB74EE298AD6007303B291F@SusanHarkins>

I hate their web interface. They just upgraded it and it's a bit cleaner, 
but still a pia.

Susan H.


> Hey Gmail users - is there any way to get a preview pane of the email the
> way you can with Outlook. If not native maybe an add-in?
>



From marklbreen at gmail.com  Mon Dec 12 16:54:32 2011
From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 22:54:32 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] How to problematically (or by other automation) control
 an ActiveX control in IE
Message-ID: <CAGXtTCjxm3ZYKeqCP9V26zs2oNZMMducbsvVPyqXUXHGocbzLA@mail.gmail.com>

Hello All,

I arrived into a customer today with the intention of preparing for a
project to automate a process for placing orders in an online database.

The process today is that the user sits for four hours and copy and pastes
from Excel into a browser.  I was hoping to use Selenium to automate that.

However, I was disappointed to note that the website is actually an ActiveX
control running in IE.

That leaves me with options such as

a) using other macro software, attempt to automate the process
b) find out how to programatically manipulate an ActiveX
c) some other option not thought of yet.

I am asking the list whether you have any advice to give?  If this ActiveX
has been installed on the PC and runs well, how difficult would it be to
execute all the functionality it offers?  I may have no documentation.

Does my question even make sense?

Your advice, as always, is appreciated.

thanks

Mark

PS, Happy Birthday to Rocky


From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Mon Dec 12 17:27:08 2011
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 09:27:08 +1000
Subject: [dba-Tech] How to problematically (or by other automation)
	control an ActiveX control in IE
In-Reply-To: <CAGXtTCjxm3ZYKeqCP9V26zs2oNZMMducbsvVPyqXUXHGocbzLA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGXtTCjxm3ZYKeqCP9V26zs2oNZMMducbsvVPyqXUXHGocbzLA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4EE68DCC.29313.DD6B0DF@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Two approaches which I would use in this situation:

1.  Put Wireshark or similar on the PC and monitor the HTTP(S?) traffic when orders are 
being placed with the current system.

Then you'll know exactly what needs to be sent to the online application and what responses 
it generates.   Having done that, decide if it feasible to write another application to send and 
receive the same HTTP(S?) traffic.  (Hint PowerBASIC is great for that sort of thing <g>)

If that it is not feasible: -

2.  Write an AutoIt application to extract the data from the spreadsheet and feed it to the 
ActiveX screen.

-- 
Stuart


On 12 Dec 2011 at 22:54, Mark Breen wrote:

> Hello All,
> 
> I arrived into a customer today with the intention of preparing for a
> project to automate a process for placing orders in an online database.
> 
> The process today is that the user sits for four hours and copy and pastes
> from Excel into a browser.  I was hoping to use Selenium to automate that.
> 
> However, I was disappointed to note that the website is actually an ActiveX
> control running in IE.
> 
> That leaves me with options such as
> 
> a) using other macro software, attempt to automate the process
> b) find out how to programatically manipulate an ActiveX
> c) some other option not thought of yet.
> 
> I am asking the list whether you have any advice to give?  If this ActiveX
> has been installed on the PC and runs well, how difficult would it be to
> execute all the functionality it offers?  I may have no documentation.
> 
> Does my question even make sense?
> 
> Your advice, as always, is appreciated.
> 
> thanks
> 
> Mark
> 
> PS, Happy Birthday to Rocky
> _______________________________________________
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> 
> 





From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Mon Dec 12 19:32:53 2011
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 17:32:53 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Gmail - is there a preview pane option?
In-Reply-To: <1F63006B0CB74EE298AD6007303B291F@SusanHarkins>
References: <02b701ccb91e$e7ea6f40$b7bf4dc0$@winhaven.net>
	<1F63006B0CB74EE298AD6007303B291F@SusanHarkins>
Message-ID: <482ECBC0-2484-4294-BEE1-5DA9CDA462BB@phulse.com>


Open Gmail. Go to the Mail Settings page, then Labs. Search for "Preview Pane" (by Peter B & Michael K) and click on Enable. Save the changes and it will reload gmail. Now, in your inbox, you will have a button above your inbox that allows you to select vertical or horizontal split view.

Enjoy.

- Hans





On 2011-12-12, at 2:58 PM, Susan Harkins wrote:

> I hate their web interface. They just upgraded it and it's a bit cleaner, but still a pia.
> 
> Susan H.
> 
> 
>> Hey Gmail users - is there any way to get a preview pane of the email the
>> way you can with Outlook. If not native maybe an add-in?
>> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com



From Gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Dec 13 02:24:50 2011
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 09:24:50 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Gmail - is there a preview pane option?
Message-ID: <see719fd.057@cactus.dk>

Hi Susan

You are not alone. 

I just can't get why an organisation of the capabilities of Google can't put together a decent design. I realise the goal was and probably still is to present some sort of a rudimentary design but it just doesn't work anymore. 

At the same time Microsoft continues to improve their Live/Hotmail with nice integration with SkyDrive and Bing.

/gustav


>>> ssharkins at gmail.com 12-12-2011 23:58 >>>
I hate their web interface. They just upgraded it and it's a bit cleaner, 
but still a pia.

Susan H.


> Hey Gmail users - is there any way to get a preview pane of the email the
> way you can with Outlook. If not native maybe an add-in?
>

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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Tue Dec 13 08:10:44 2011
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 09:10:44 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Gmail - is there a preview pane option?
References: <see719fd.057@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <EDBB0263171A4B1F97C08DB1B2112171@SusanHarkins>

I think the guys who write these interfaces probably don't use them and they 
fail to test them adequately. I just reviewed some software for an article, 
and I was very surprised with the interfaces for a couple of them. They 
looked great, but they weren't particularly intuitive... it took me a little 
time to figure them out. Nothing difficult or anything, just basic stuff --  
it shouldn't be like that. In today's Windows/Apple dominated world, we 
should look at the screen and have few questions.

Designers should stop trying to recreate the way we think and work. :(

Susan H.


> Hi Susan
>
> You are not alone.
>
> I just can't get why an organisation of the capabilities of Google can't 
> put together a decent design. I realise the goal was and probably still is 
> to present some sort of a rudimentary design but it just doesn't work 
> anymore.
>
> At the same time Microsoft continues to improve their Live/Hotmail with 
> nice integration with SkyDrive and Bing.
>



From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Tue Dec 13 09:13:25 2011
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 10:13:25 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Gmail - is there a preview pane option?
In-Reply-To: <EDBB0263171A4B1F97C08DB1B2112171@SusanHarkins>
References: <see719fd.057@cactus.dk>
	<EDBB0263171A4B1F97C08DB1B2112171@SusanHarkins>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1h1JLvXsYpWZA1JHcerehA0-SOi2_893uFDPHn7=pzC6w@mail.gmail.com>

I guess that I'm alone in my preference of Gmail over Outlook, but that's
probably due to factors other than the UI (Outlook crashing, losing track
of my PST files, etc.). I've been using Gmail for about as many years as
its life, and most of all I love its remote storage. Every message I've
saved for the past several years is there on the cloud, and I love that.
>From time to time, I import the Contacts to a CSV file to refresh my local
copy, and load that into Outlook simply because it prints pretty phone
books, but by and large I leave it to Google to save everything for me. It
has even happened that I couldn't locate a copy of a years-old app that
wanted some enhancements, so I searched Gmail and located the last Send Zip
File to the client of interest. Downloaded the file from Gmail, unzipped
it, did the enhancements, and fired it off to the client. This method is
far better than my having to remember which of a hundred DVDs contains the
last version. They're far better at Search than I.

A.


From ssharkins at gmail.com  Tue Dec 13 09:44:42 2011
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 10:44:42 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Gmail - is there a preview pane option?
References: <see719fd.057@cactus.dk><EDBB0263171A4B1F97C08DB1B2112171@SusanHarkins>
	<CAEPJO1h1JLvXsYpWZA1JHcerehA0-SOi2_893uFDPHn7=pzC6w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D9B94CD0E9344368B5FFC2316A902572@SusanHarkins>

Email hoarding? I'm sure there's a reality show that could help you. :) 

Susan H. 


Every message I've
> saved for the past several years is there on the cloud, and I love that.



From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Tue Dec 13 09:44:54 2011
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 10:44:54 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Gmail - is there a preview pane option?
In-Reply-To: <D9B94CD0E9344368B5FFC2316A902572@SusanHarkins>
References: <see719fd.057@cactus.dk>
	<EDBB0263171A4B1F97C08DB1B2112171@SusanHarkins>
	<CAEPJO1h1JLvXsYpWZA1JHcerehA0-SOi2_893uFDPHn7=pzC6w@mail.gmail.com>
	<D9B94CD0E9344368B5FFC2316A902572@SusanHarkins>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1j6U1GHVrkqyvPgre18VRBdHGm8b+41jqJSwGVEWB=9rw@mail.gmail.com>

Watch it, girl. Cross me and you've got troubles. I've got everything you
ever wrote on file, and I'm going to speak with the *F*ilbert's *B*ottled *I
*nks about your nefarious activities. So there :)

A.

On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 10:44 AM, Susan Harkins <ssharkins at gmail.com> wrote:

> Email hoarding? I'm sure there's a reality show that could help you. :)
> Susan H.
>
>


From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Tue Dec 13 09:48:12 2011
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 10:48:12 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Smuggling for Fun and Profit: the high-tech version
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1g=v7dP--C-LnA1S_8WKJBCc7PetMimRQdR-bqiiUHNfQ@mail.gmail.com>

What else are you going to do with all that money, but re-invest? See:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/12/11/us-mexico-drugs-tunnels-idUSTRE7BA0D120111211


-- 
A.
Cell: 647.710.1314

Thirty spokes converge on a hub
but it's the emptiness
that makes a wheel work
   -- from the Daodejing


From ssharkins at gmail.com  Tue Dec 13 10:24:20 2011
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 11:24:20 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Gmail - is there a preview pane option?
References: <see719fd.057@cactus.dk><EDBB0263171A4B1F97C08DB1B2112171@SusanHarkins><CAEPJO1h1JLvXsYpWZA1JHcerehA0-SOi2_893uFDPHn7=pzC6w@mail.gmail.com><D9B94CD0E9344368B5FFC2316A902572@SusanHarkins>
	<CAEPJO1j6U1GHVrkqyvPgre18VRBdHGm8b+41jqJSwGVEWB=9rw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <708FB10BFF13493D8C3707A6AB63AF93@SusanHarkins>

I'll see your *F*ilbert's *B*ottled *I*nks and raise you a C*ats In Alas*ka 
video -- remember, you're foreign and we know where you live. :)

Susan H.


> Watch it, girl. Cross me and you've got troubles. I've got everything you
> ever wrote on file, and I'm going to speak with the *F*ilbert's *B*ottled 
> *I
> *nks about your nefarious activities. So there :)
>
> A.



From john at winhaven.net  Tue Dec 13 11:26:16 2011
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 11:26:16 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Gmail - is there a preview pane option?
In-Reply-To: <see719fd.057@cactus.dk>
References: <see719fd.057@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <016e01ccb9bc$520066d0$f6013470$@winhaven.net>

I don't care for the UI at all. I've had a Gmail account for years but I
just don't use it.

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 2:25 AM
To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Gmail - is there a preview pane option?

Hi Susan

You are not alone. 

I just can't get why an organisation of the capabilities of Google can't put
together a decent design. I realise the goal was and probably still is to
present some sort of a rudimentary design but it just doesn't work anymore. 

At the same time Microsoft continues to improve their Live/Hotmail with nice
integration with SkyDrive and Bing.

/gustav


>>> ssharkins at gmail.com 12-12-2011 23:58 >>>
I hate their web interface. They just upgraded it and it's a bit cleaner,
but still a pia.

Susan H.


> Hey Gmail users - is there any way to get a preview pane of the email 
> the way you can with Outlook. If not native maybe an add-in?
>

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From john at winhaven.net  Tue Dec 13 11:26:16 2011
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 11:26:16 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Gmail - is there a preview pane option?
In-Reply-To: <see719fd.057@cactus.dk>
References: <see719fd.057@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <016f01ccb9bc$5234e450$f69eacf0$@winhaven.net>

Thanks for that tip Hans!

My wife's school recently switched from Exchange/Outlook to Gmail and all
the teachers hate it because they don't have time to actually sit behind
their computer to read email. My wife depended on the preview pane and
arrows to check on email as she got a chance to walk up to it. She's a much
happier Gmail user now :o)

BTW I often wonder how is it a cost savings to change to something new when
you already have the previous product installed and in operation? Didn't you
just pay someone to replace what you have already paid for?



From john at winhaven.net  Tue Dec 13 11:31:17 2011
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 11:31:17 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Gmail - is there a preview pane option?
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1h1JLvXsYpWZA1JHcerehA0-SOi2_893uFDPHn7=pzC6w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <see719fd.057@cactus.dk>	<EDBB0263171A4B1F97C08DB1B2112171@SusanHarkins>
	<CAEPJO1h1JLvXsYpWZA1JHcerehA0-SOi2_893uFDPHn7=pzC6w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <017801ccb9bd$057edf20$107c9d60$@winhaven.net>

Sounds more like a organization issue than an email choice ;o)

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 9:13 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Gmail - is there a preview pane option?

I guess that I'm alone in my preference of Gmail over Outlook, but that's
probably due to factors other than the UI (Outlook crashing, losing track of
my PST files, etc.). I've been using Gmail for about as many years as its
life, and most of all I love its remote storage. Every message I've saved
for the past several years is there on the cloud, and I love that.
>From time to time, I import the Contacts to a CSV file to refresh my 
>local
copy, and load that into Outlook simply because it prints pretty phone
books, but by and large I leave it to Google to save everything for me. It
has even happened that I couldn't locate a copy of a years-old app that
wanted some enhancements, so I searched Gmail and located the last Send Zip
File to the client of interest. Downloaded the file from Gmail, unzipped it,
did the enhancements, and fired it off to the client. This method is far
better than my having to remember which of a hundred DVDs contains the last
version. They're far better at Search than I.

A.
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Tue Dec 13 14:09:15 2011
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 15:09:15 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Engineering Cartels
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1g8tN3xnA0LF93jx_oojLzHbys4fRHiEei2ka9J7wd2MQ@mail.gmail.com>

Gotta admire their creativity, if not their motives:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/12/11/us-mexico-drugs-tunnels-idUSTRE7BA0D120111211

P.S. I hate their motives, in case that was in doubt.
-- 
Arthur
Cell: 647.710.1314

Thirty spokes converge on a hub
but it's the emptiness
that makes a wheel work
   -- from the Daodejing


From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Wed Dec 14 08:58:33 2011
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 09:58:33 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] New Avenues for Architects
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1g=0xy=vCPv4Cxg7FKmzF7+w6x9S3JN2tq2wb6QdOh3Tg@mail.gmail.com>

High-tech tunnels for drug smugglers. See
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/12/11/us-mexico-drugs-tunnels-idUSTRE7BA0D120111211.
Should be a big market in British Columbia.

--
Arthur
Cell: 647.710.1314

Thirty spokes converge on a hub
but it's the emptiness
that makes a wheel work
   -- from the Daodejing


From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Sun Dec 18 08:04:30 2011
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2011 09:04:30 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] R.I.P. Vaclav Havel
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1hN72ONsZoq2s6v2W4t6a2KpS9-ysbL0X2NS9RV4C9PJA@mail.gmail.com>

The man perhaps responsible for the fall of Czech communism, Vaclav Havel,
died this morning.

When a truth is not given complete freedom, freedom is not complete.
Vaclav Havel<http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/v/vaclavhave383721.html>

Hope is a state of mind, not of the world. Hope, in this deep and powerful
sense, is not the same as joy that things are going well, or willingness to
invest in enterprises that are obviously heading for success, but rather an
ability to work for something because it is good.

Read more:
http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/v/vaclavhave152338.html#ixzz1gtY7s4hL

He will be missed.
Arthur
-- 
Cell: 647.710.1314

Thirty spokes converge on a hub
but it's the emptiness
that makes a wheel work
   -- from the Daodejing


From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Mon Dec 19 06:58:56 2011
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 07:58:56 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Intelligent File Copy
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1jg0TX9fScEjYGh9LXiZ8cA3A_Dxo6_MPEfpoYDmkBZLg@mail.gmail.com>

Years ago I had a DOS utility called Jet that had loads of cool features,
one of which was Intelligent File Copy. IOW, if you pointed at a source
directory and target disk, the assumption being that the source is larger
than the target's space, it would optimize the copying to fill as much as
possible on each target disk. When the target was filled, it would prompt
you for a new disk.

I've got a directory containing Downloads, whose total size is about 24 GB,
and I want to copy it all to a series of single-layer 4.7 GB dvds. I could
do it manually, but I'd prefer to automate it as described above.

Any suggestions for a utility to do this?

TIA,
Arthur

-- 
Cell: 647.710.1314

Thirty spokes converge on a hub
but it's the emptiness
that makes a wheel work
   -- from the Daodejing


From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Mon Dec 19 07:47:21 2011
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 23:47:21 +1000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Intelligent File Copy
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1jg0TX9fScEjYGh9LXiZ8cA3A_Dxo6_MPEfpoYDmkBZLg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1jg0TX9fScEjYGh9LXiZ8cA3A_Dxo6_MPEfpoYDmkBZLg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4EEF4069.20906.17B12BFB@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

I remember using that or something similar back in the days of floppies :-)

I've never tried it, but this looks promising:
http://sourceforge.net/projects/discfit/

Arranges a big set of files or directories in order to use the minimum number of phisycal 
media (CD, DVD, BD...) pieces. You can drag the resulting sets directly over your burning 
software (Nero, DVD-go...) 



On 19 Dec 2011 at 7:58, Arthur Fuller wrote:

> Years ago I had a DOS utility called Jet that had loads of cool features,
> one of which was Intelligent File Copy. IOW, if you pointed at a source
> directory and target disk, the assumption being that the source is larger
> than the target's space, it would optimize the copying to fill as much as
> possible on each target disk. When the target was filled, it would prompt
> you for a new disk.
> 
> I've got a directory containing Downloads, whose total size is about 24 GB,
> and I want to copy it all to a series of single-layer 4.7 GB dvds. I could
> do it manually, but I'd prefer to automate it as described above.
> 
> Any suggestions for a utility to do this?
> 
> TIA,
> Arthur
> 
> -- 
> Cell: 647.710.1314
> 
> Thirty spokes converge on a hub
> but it's the emptiness
> that makes a wheel work
>    -- from the Daodejing
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Mon Dec 19 07:57:20 2011
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 08:57:20 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Intelligent File Copy
In-Reply-To: <4EEF4069.20906.17B12BFB@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <CAEPJO1jg0TX9fScEjYGh9LXiZ8cA3A_Dxo6_MPEfpoYDmkBZLg@mail.gmail.com>
	<4EEF4069.20906.17B12BFB@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1hAbuyxsvQ0g7JbaDuJHMJPhfBgKiWh3XOk=QpmUv8kYQ@mail.gmail.com>

Looks like it might be just what the doctor ordered. (Now all I need is a
doctorate:)
A.

On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 8:47 AM, Stuart McLachlan <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>wrote:

> I remember using that or something similar back in the days of floppies :-)
>
> I've never tried it, but this looks promising:
> http://sourceforge.net/projects/discfit/
>
> Arranges a big set of files or directories in order to use the minimum
> number of phisycal
> media (CD, DVD, BD...) pieces. You can drag the resulting sets directly
> over your burning
> software (Nero, DVD-go...)
>
>
>


From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Mon Dec 19 08:15:50 2011
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 00:15:50 +1000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Intelligent File Copy
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1hAbuyxsvQ0g7JbaDuJHMJPhfBgKiWh3XOk=QpmUv8kYQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1jg0TX9fScEjYGh9LXiZ8cA3A_Dxo6_MPEfpoYDmkBZLg@mail.gmail.com>,
	<4EEF4069.20906.17B12BFB@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>,
	<CAEPJO1hAbuyxsvQ0g7JbaDuJHMJPhfBgKiWh3XOk=QpmUv8kYQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4EEF4716.25917.17CB3E06@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

I just checked that one out.  It is an early Beta and is pretty rough.

Some other possibilities that Google threw up:

http://code.google.com/p/file-sum-mover/

http://bttb.sourceforge.net/

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2037102,00.asp (commercial, but only $7.97)



On 19 Dec 2011 at 8:57, Arthur Fuller wrote:

> Looks like it might be just what the doctor ordered. (Now all I need is a
> doctorate:)
> A.
> 
> On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 8:47 AM, Stuart McLachlan <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>wrote:
> 
> > I remember using that or something similar back in the days of floppies :-)
> >
> > I've never tried it, but this looks promising:
> > http://sourceforge.net/projects/discfit/
> >
> > Arranges a big set of files or directories in order to use the minimum
> > number of phisycal
> > media (CD, DVD, BD...) pieces. You can drag the resulting sets directly
> > over your burning
> > software (Nero, DVD-go...)
> >
> >
> >
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 





From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Mon Dec 19 09:28:02 2011
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 10:28:02 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Intelligent File Copy
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1jg0TX9fScEjYGh9LXiZ8cA3A_Dxo6_MPEfpoYDmkBZLg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1jg0TX9fScEjYGh9LXiZ8cA3A_Dxo6_MPEfpoYDmkBZLg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4EEF5802.5050002@torchlake.com>

I Win-Zip's utility still available?  It used to work really well for 
diskettes.  If it's still around, I would expect it to have been updated 
for  CDs and DVDs.
T

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields at torchlake.com
231-322-2787


On 12/19/2011 7:58 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote:
> Years ago I had a DOS utility called Jet that had loads of cool features,
> one of which was Intelligent File Copy. IOW, if you pointed at a source
> directory and target disk, the assumption being that the source is larger
> than the target's space, it would optimize the copying to fill as much as
> possible on each target disk. When the target was filled, it would prompt
> you for a new disk.
>
> I've got a directory containing Downloads, whose total size is about 24 GB,
> and I want to copy it all to a series of single-layer 4.7 GB dvds. I could
> do it manually, but I'd prefer to automate it as described above.
>
> Any suggestions for a utility to do this?
>
> TIA,
> Arthur
>


From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Mon Dec 19 10:13:00 2011
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 11:13:00 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Intelligent File Copy
In-Reply-To: <4EEF5802.5050002@torchlake.com>
References: <CAEPJO1jg0TX9fScEjYGh9LXiZ8cA3A_Dxo6_MPEfpoYDmkBZLg@mail.gmail.com>
	<4EEF5802.5050002@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1hAx9gZ8ji0imO9XJKHJa57mmNYN7RvFRb3J2yvD+7_-A@mail.gmail.com>

If you mean WinZip, it's still around and thriving. But I don't think it's
appropriate for what I need, since most of the files in the directory of
interest are either Zips, Rars or ISOs. I just want to copy them, not zip
them.

Arthur

On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 10:28 AM, Tina Norris Fields <
tinanfields at torchlake.com> wrote:

> I Win-Zip's utility still available?  It used to work really well for
> diskettes.  If it's still around, I would expect it to have been updated
> for  CDs and DVDs.
> T
>
> Tina Norris Fields
> tinanfields at torchlake.com
> 231-322-2787
>
>
>


From kathryn at bassett.net  Mon Dec 19 19:20:01 2011
From: kathryn at bassett.net (Kathryn Bassett)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 17:20:01 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Getting rid of some folders
Message-ID: <014e01ccbeb5$7f5b0010$7e110030$@net>

I am pulling my hair out over this. I have folders such as this:
C:\Fr4\Noel
C:\Fr4\NoelLivingstone
C:\Fr4\oconner

I can't seem to get rid of them. First, I was just deleting them. But I
eventually noticed that they'd come back. Tried a number of times before
starting to research it. The common issues seem to involve dropbox or
folders that are shared. I don't have dropbox, and the folders aren't
shared. One place that I found suggested "copy" the name of the folder,
delete it, then make a new folder, pasting the name in. Then empty recycle
bin and reboot, then delete the now empty folder. I did that for about 1/2
dozen folders and it worked. Those are now gone and haven't returned. So I
started doing the rest of them (20 more). But it's not working for those.

I've even done these steps ONLY. IOW, boot up, do that routine, empty the
recycle bin, then reboot. Not running any other programs like email etc.

On the Tech Support Guy List Tech Support Guy List (http://www.techguy.org)
which is not very active, one person asked, and I answered:

> 1. What operating system?

Vista - sorry, I thought I had put that down.

> 2. Has this computer ever had Nortons on it? Nortons does weird things 
> with its "protected" recycle bin. Even after Nortons has been 
> uninstalled, it can leave some of these strange remnants behind.

Only long enough to get the computer home when I bought it (2007).
Uninstalled immediately (I hate Norton), then went through the registry and
deleted Norton references. So, in effect, no. 

> 4. Try right-click "delete on boot". This is included in several free 
> utilities such as Gipo Utilities, which will add this useful line to 
> your right-click menu.

While looking to see if I had this option, I discovered something. The
entire Fr4 folder was read only. I've changed that, and will see if that
works. If not:

> 3. What happens if you delete in Safe Mode?

Hmm, haven't thought to try that. After I get this email off, I'll try that
if changing the read only option doesn't work (no idea how it got that way).

> 5. I assume that normal folders delete OK, and that this is associated 
> only with your "FR4 folders". Does FR4 mean anything---associated with 
> any particular program which might be protecting these folders? In W7, 
> for example, this type of behaviour can be associated with protected 
> system folders/files.

Yes and yes. FR4 is an old dos genealogy program (Family Roots version 4).
I'm the only person in the world still providing support for it, getting the
data into a format that can be imported to a windows genealogy program. No,
it doesn't protect, and I've deleted client subfolders before, which makes
the current behavior all the more puzzling.

Where I'm at now:

Safe mode and the read only part didn't do the trick, except temporarily. I
changed C:\Fr4 to C:\Fr4b. Then I made a new folder C:\FR4 (the r being
upper case) and dragged the things I need to keep into it. A reboot (last
night) showed only the items I want in C:\FR4, and just the subfolders I
don't want in C:\Fr4b. I couldn't do any more reboot testing last night, but
I had deleted the subfolders from C:\Fr4b, leaving it empty.

I only did one other thing before shutting down for the night, which I'll
explain in a minute. Then this morning, they are back again in C:\FR4. The
folder has to have that name, I can't use C:\FR4b, but even if I could, that
wouldn't solve the problem of C:\FR4 adding itself back in.

The one other thing is my nightly backup. I use SecondCopy to do "Exact
copy, source to destination, delete obsolete files from destination" and
these are the 3 "profiles" I use:
C:\Users\Kathryn\AppData\Local\Microsoft\Outlook to
I:\Vistamydocs\OutlookMail C:\Users\Kathryn\AppData\Local\Microsoft\Outlook
to C:\Users\Kathryn\Documents\OutlookMail
C:\Users\Kathryn\Documents (& subdirectories) to I:\Vistamydocs

As you see, nothing to do with C:\FR4.

Anybody got any ideas why this is happening and how I get rid of the
subfolders I don't want?

Kathryn



From bill_patten at embarqmail.com  Tue Dec 20 01:59:04 2011
From: bill_patten at embarqmail.com (Bill Patten)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 23:59:04 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Getting rid of some folders
In-Reply-To: <014e01ccbeb5$7f5b0010$7e110030$@net>
References: <014e01ccbeb5$7f5b0010$7e110030$@net>
Message-ID: <C861E942094344B7A8D3F7D13B082D28@BPCS>

Kathryn,


Have you tried running MSConfig and looking for strange batch files or other 
un-identified programs that could be creating the files on boot? Since it 
seemed ok in safe mode which bypasses most of the items in the startup 
folder of MSConfig.

Bill
--------------------------------------------------
From: "Kathryn Bassett" <kathryn at bassett.net>
Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 5:20 PM
To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" 
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: [dba-Tech] Getting rid of some folders

I am pulling my hair out over this. I have folders such as this:
C:\Fr4\Noel
C:\Fr4\NoelLivingstone
C:\Fr4\oconner

I can't seem to get rid of them. First, I was just deleting them. But I
eventually noticed that they'd come back. Tried a number of times before
starting to research it. The common issues seem to involve dropbox or
folders that are shared. I don't have dropbox, and the folders aren't
shared. One place that I found suggested "copy" the name of the folder,
delete it, then make a new folder, pasting the name in. Then empty recycle
bin and reboot, then delete the now empty folder. I did that for about 1/2
dozen folders and it worked. Those are now gone and haven't returned. So I
started doing the rest of them (20 more). But it's not working for those.

I've even done these steps ONLY. IOW, boot up, do that routine, empty the
recycle bin, then reboot. Not running any other programs like email etc.

On the Tech Support Guy List Tech Support Guy List (http://www.techguy.org)
which is not very active, one person asked, and I answered:

> 1. What operating system?

Vista - sorry, I thought I had put that down.

> 2. Has this computer ever had Nortons on it? Nortons does weird things
> with its "protected" recycle bin. Even after Nortons has been
> uninstalled, it can leave some of these strange remnants behind.

Only long enough to get the computer home when I bought it (2007).
Uninstalled immediately (I hate Norton), then went through the registry and
deleted Norton references. So, in effect, no.

> 4. Try right-click "delete on boot". This is included in several free
> utilities such as Gipo Utilities, which will add this useful line to
> your right-click menu.

While looking to see if I had this option, I discovered something. The
entire Fr4 folder was read only. I've changed that, and will see if that
works. If not:

> 3. What happens if you delete in Safe Mode?

Hmm, haven't thought to try that. After I get this email off, I'll try that
if changing the read only option doesn't work (no idea how it got that way).

> 5. I assume that normal folders delete OK, and that this is associated
> only with your "FR4 folders". Does FR4 mean anything---associated with
> any particular program which might be protecting these folders? In W7,
> for example, this type of behaviour can be associated with protected
> system folders/files.

Yes and yes. FR4 is an old dos genealogy program (Family Roots version 4).
I'm the only person in the world still providing support for it, getting the
data into a format that can be imported to a windows genealogy program. No,
it doesn't protect, and I've deleted client subfolders before, which makes
the current behavior all the more puzzling.

Where I'm at now:

Safe mode and the read only part didn't do the trick, except temporarily. I
changed C:\Fr4 to C:\Fr4b. Then I made a new folder C:\FR4 (the r being
upper case) and dragged the things I need to keep into it. A reboot (last
night) showed only the items I want in C:\FR4, and just the subfolders I
don't want in C:\Fr4b. I couldn't do any more reboot testing last night, but
I had deleted the subfolders from C:\Fr4b, leaving it empty.

I only did one other thing before shutting down for the night, which I'll
explain in a minute. Then this morning, they are back again in C:\FR4. The
folder has to have that name, I can't use C:\FR4b, but even if I could, that
wouldn't solve the problem of C:\FR4 adding itself back in.

The one other thing is my nightly backup. I use SecondCopy to do "Exact
copy, source to destination, delete obsolete files from destination" and
these are the 3 "profiles" I use:
C:\Users\Kathryn\AppData\Local\Microsoft\Outlook to
I:\Vistamydocs\OutlookMail C:\Users\Kathryn\AppData\Local\Microsoft\Outlook
to C:\Users\Kathryn\Documents\OutlookMail
C:\Users\Kathryn\Documents (& subdirectories) to I:\Vistamydocs

As you see, nothing to do with C:\FR4.

Anybody got any ideas why this is happening and how I get rid of the
subfolders I don't want?

Kathryn

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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Tue Dec 20 06:37:00 2011
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 07:37:00 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Gmail Identification
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1guXsAaQxH=zAih81oZ5=QKJoTjnAADahycw2CkBG5V7g@mail.gmail.com>

Now and then I see a message in a Gmail thread (most recently in the
AccessD thread) that says "This mail may not have been sent by <some
name>." It's no big deal, but I'm curious as to how Gmail determines the
authenticity of a sender. Anyone know?

-- 
Arthur
Cell: 647.710.1314

Thirty spokes converge on a hub
but it's the emptiness
that makes a wheel work
   -- from the Daodejing


From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Tue Dec 20 09:47:49 2011
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 07:47:49 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Gmail Identification
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1guXsAaQxH=zAih81oZ5=QKJoTjnAADahycw2CkBG5V7g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1guXsAaQxH=zAih81oZ5=QKJoTjnAADahycw2CkBG5V7g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <26B7FFC2-1AA2-46A4-AC13-64872687BA5D@phulse.com>



Probably by analyzing the raw email headers:

http://support.google.com/mail/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=185812

- Hans


On 2011-12-20, at 4:37 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote:

> Now and then I see a message in a Gmail thread (most recently in the
> AccessD thread) that says "This mail may not have been sent by <some
> name>." It's no big deal, but I'm curious as to how Gmail determines the
> authenticity of a sender. Anyone know?
> 
> -- 
> Arthur
> Cell: 647.710.1314
> 
> Thirty spokes converge on a hub
> but it's the emptiness
> that makes a wheel work
>   -- from the Daodejing
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com



From kathryn at bassett.net  Tue Dec 20 19:42:06 2011
From: kathryn at bassett.net (Kathryn Bassett)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 17:42:06 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Getting rid of some folders
In-Reply-To: <C861E942094344B7A8D3F7D13B082D28@BPCS>
References: <014e01ccbeb5$7f5b0010$7e110030$@net>
	<C861E942094344B7A8D3F7D13B082D28@BPCS>
Message-ID: <019001ccbf81$bf1b1010$3d513030$@net>

I hadn't, no. But checking it proved that my memory was correct that there
are no batch files that would account for it (couldn't find ANY batch
files).

One thing that really confuses me is this:

"One place that I found suggested "copy" the name of the folder, delete it,
then make a new folder, pasting the name in. Then empty recycle bin and
reboot, then delete the now empty folder. I did that for about 1/2 dozen
folders and it worked. Those are now gone and haven't returned. So I started
doing the rest of them (20 more). But it's not working for those."

So why would it have worked for those half dozen, and not the rest?

--
Kathryn Rhinehart Bassett (Pasadena CA)
"Genealogy is my bag" "GH is my soap"
kathryn at bassett.net
http://bassett.net?? 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-
> bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bill Patten
> Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 11:59 PM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Getting rid of some folders
> 
> Kathryn,
> 
> 
> Have you tried running MSConfig and looking for strange batch files or
> other un-identified programs that could be creating the files on boot?
> Since it seemed ok in safe mode which bypasses most of the items in the
> startup folder of MSConfig.
> 
> Bill




From bill_patten at embarqmail.com  Tue Dec 20 21:44:06 2011
From: bill_patten at embarqmail.com (Bill Patten)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 19:44:06 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Getting rid of some folders
In-Reply-To: <019001ccbf81$bf1b1010$3d513030$@net>
References: <014e01ccbeb5$7f5b0010$7e110030$@net><C861E942094344B7A8D3F7D13B082D28@BPCS>
	<019001ccbf81$bf1b1010$3d513030$@net>
Message-ID: <4A91E56AA9EC4595A70F2AE678E0EF23@BPCS>

Kathryn,

Many programs create "missing items" when they start for example some files 
use .ini and will create new ones if one is deleted. Check the date created 
on the folders that keep coming back. If the date coincides with the startup 
time of either the computer or a program then you know it is being created 
at that time.

Using MSConfig, you can turn off any startup items that you KNOW are not 
involved and perhaps identify the culprit.

Obviously something is creating them. It is very hard to believe that a 
deleted item that is removed from the recycle bin could resurrect itself.

Best I can come up with so I hope it helps.

Bill

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Kathryn Bassett" <kathryn at bassett.net>
Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 5:42 PM
To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" 
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Getting rid of some folders

I hadn't, no. But checking it proved that my memory was correct that there
are no batch files that would account for it (couldn't find ANY batch
files).

One thing that really confuses me is this:

"One place that I found suggested "copy" the name of the folder, delete it,
then make a new folder, pasting the name in. Then empty recycle bin and
reboot, then delete the now empty folder. I did that for about 1/2 dozen
folders and it worked. Those are now gone and haven't returned. So I started
doing the rest of them (20 more). But it's not working for those."

So why would it have worked for those half dozen, and not the rest?

--
Kathryn Rhinehart Bassett (Pasadena CA)
"Genealogy is my bag" "GH is my soap"
kathryn at bassett.net
http://bassett.net

> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-
> bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bill Patten
> Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 11:59 PM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Getting rid of some folders
>
> Kathryn,
>
>
> Have you tried running MSConfig and looking for strange batch files or
> other un-identified programs that could be creating the files on boot?
> Since it seemed ok in safe mode which bypasses most of the items in the
> startup folder of MSConfig.
>
> Bill


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From kathryn at bassett.net  Wed Dec 21 00:12:04 2011
From: kathryn at bassett.net (Kathryn Bassett)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 22:12:04 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Getting rid of some folders
In-Reply-To: <4A91E56AA9EC4595A70F2AE678E0EF23@BPCS>
References: <014e01ccbeb5$7f5b0010$7e110030$@net><C861E942094344B7A8D3F7D13B082D28@BPCS>	<019001ccbf81$bf1b1010$3d513030$@net>
	<4A91E56AA9EC4595A70F2AE678E0EF23@BPCS>
Message-ID: <021201ccbfa7$764dde00$62e99a00$@net>

Good thoughts, thanks. It might be after Christmas before I have time to
experiment (it takes almost 15 minutes to totally reboot the computer). And
I'll use WinPatrol to delay the start times so I can pinpoint the time, with
what takes that long to start.

Kathryn 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-
> bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bill Patten
> Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 7:44 PM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Getting rid of some folders
> 
> Kathryn,
> 
> Many programs create "missing items" when they start for example some
> files use .ini and will create new ones if one is deleted. Check the
> date created on the folders that keep coming back. If the date
> coincides with the startup time of either the computer or a program
> then you know it is being created at that time.
> 
> Using MSConfig, you can turn off any startup items that you KNOW are
> not involved and perhaps identify the culprit.
> 
> Obviously something is creating them. It is very hard to believe that a
> deleted item that is removed from the recycle bin could resurrect
> itself.
> 
> Best I can come up with so I hope it helps.
> 
> Bill
> 
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Kathryn Bassett" <kathryn at bassett.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 5:42 PM
> To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'"
> <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Getting rid of some folders
> 
> I hadn't, no. But checking it proved that my memory was correct that
> there are no batch files that would account for it (couldn't find ANY
> batch files).
> 
> One thing that really confuses me is this:
> 
> "One place that I found suggested "copy" the name of the folder, delete
> it, then make a new folder, pasting the name in. Then empty recycle bin
> and reboot, then delete the now empty folder. I did that for about 1/2
> dozen folders and it worked. Those are now gone and haven't returned.
> So I started doing the rest of them (20 more). But it's not working for
> those."
> 
> So why would it have worked for those half dozen, and not the rest?
> 
> --
> Kathryn Rhinehart Bassett (Pasadena CA)
> "Genealogy is my bag" "GH is my soap"
> kathryn at bassett.net
> http://bassett.net
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-
> > bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bill Patten
> > Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 11:59 PM
> > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Getting rid of some folders
> >
> > Kathryn,
> >
> >
> > Have you tried running MSConfig and looking for strange batch files
> or
> > other un-identified programs that could be creating the files on
> boot?
> > Since it seemed ok in safe mode which bypasses most of the items in
> > the startup folder of MSConfig.
> >
> > Bill
> 
> 
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Wed Dec 21 06:30:14 2011
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 07:30:14 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] IBM's Predictions for the next five years
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1htNPRpwnG9astNN=nFX64wv3si+Eyu-p=sGhG-4XKR-g@mail.gmail.com>

See:
http://www.businessweek.com/technology/ibms-five-predictions-for-the-next-five-years-12192011.html


And Merry Christmas.
--
Arthur
Cell: 647.710.1314

Thirty spokes converge on a hub
but it's the emptiness
that makes a wheel work
   -- from the Daodejing


From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Wed Dec 21 18:15:30 2011
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 19:15:30 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Top 10 Physics Breakthroughs of 2011
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1jxA-RFLWqpcL4+4+ELRhXVx5bCQX_U-zkAqn43J0jOLA@mail.gmail.com>

I could have seen these coming, but I didn't, so I am the loser in this
race.

http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/news/48126

--
Arthur (maybe I should change my name to Ether)
Cell: 647.710.1314

Thirty spokes converge on a hub
but it's the emptiness
that makes a wheel work
   -- from the Daodejing


From Gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Dec 22 04:08:50 2011
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 11:08:50 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Top 10 Physics Breakthroughs of 2011
Message-ID: <sef30fd5.067@cactus.dk>

Hi Arthur

That page has a link to a link about the latest results from the old Voyager 1 and 2 spacecrafts now travelling at the outer edge of the solar system:

http://voyager.jpl.nasa.gov/

Have in mind that they were launched 34 years ago, thus proves to be two of the most amazing pieces of hardware ever created.

http://voyager.jpl.nasa.gov/where/index.html 

An interesting detail - while we struggle with limited covering range of WiFi and so - is that it is even possible to maintain reliable contact at such a distance where signals travel for about 16 hours:

http://voyager.jpl.nasa.gov/news/profiles_dsn.html 

It will not last, however, as power is expected to run out at 2025.

/gustav


>>> fuller.artful at gmail.com 22-12-2011 01:15 >>>
I could have seen these coming, but I didn't, so I am the loser in this
race.

http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/news/48126 

--
Arthur (maybe I should change my name to Ether)
Cell: 647.710.1314

Thirty spokes converge on a hub
but it's the emptiness
that makes a wheel work
   -- from the Daodejing




From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Thu Dec 22 08:08:09 2011
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 09:08:09 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Top 10 Physics Breakthroughs of 2011
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1jxA-RFLWqpcL4+4+ELRhXVx5bCQX_U-zkAqn43J0jOLA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1jxA-RFLWqpcL4+4+ELRhXVx5bCQX_U-zkAqn43J0jOLA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4EF339C9.9040105@torchlake.com>

Wow!  Thanks for posting this.
T

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields at torchlake.com
231-322-2787


On 12/21/2011 7:15 PM, Arthur Fuller wrote:
> I could have seen these coming, but I didn't, so I am the loser in this
> race.
>
> http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/news/48126
>
> --
> Arthur (maybe I should change my name to Ether)
> Cell: 647.710.1314
>
> Thirty spokes converge on a hub
> but it's the emptiness
> that makes a wheel work
>     -- from the Daodejing
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From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Thu Dec 22 08:23:26 2011
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 09:23:26 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Top 10 Physics Breakthroughs of 2011
In-Reply-To: <sef30fd5.067@cactus.dk>
References: <sef30fd5.067@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <4EF33D5E.1040700@torchlake.com>

Dear Gustav,

Absolutely amazing.  By the time power runs out, we will have about 50 
years' worth of solar system and interstellar information.  I like you 
point about the signal - one would think that we could do a better job 
on our range of signal here on earth.  I suppose the problem here is 
related to signal interference.

T

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields at torchlake.com
231-322-2787


On 12/22/2011 5:08 AM, Gustav Brock wrote:
> Hi Arthur
>
> That page has a link to a link about the latest results from the old Voyager 1 and 2 spacecrafts now travelling at the outer edge of the solar system:
>
> http://voyager.jpl.nasa.gov/
>
> Have in mind that they were launched 34 years ago, thus proves to be two of the most amazing pieces of hardware ever created.
>
> http://voyager.jpl.nasa.gov/where/index.html
>
> An interesting detail - while we struggle with limited covering range of WiFi and so - is that it is even possible to maintain reliable contact at such a distance where signals travel for about 16 hours:
>
> http://voyager.jpl.nasa.gov/news/profiles_dsn.html
>
> It will not last, however, as power is expected to run out at 2025.
>
> /gustav
>
>
>>>> fuller.artful at gmail.com 22-12-2011 01:15>>>
> I could have seen these coming, but I didn't, so I am the loser in this
> race.
>
> http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/news/48126
>
> --
> Arthur (maybe I should change my name to Ether)
> Cell: 647.710.1314
>
> Thirty spokes converge on a hub
> but it's the emptiness
> that makes a wheel work
>     -- from the Daodejing
>
>
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Thu Dec 22 11:53:04 2011
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 09:53:04 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Does this look like a secunia knock-off?
Message-ID: <98F613EE307B4324BE869417B64C458B@HAL9007>

http://www.cnet.com/techtracker-free/
 
Rocky
 


From john at winhaven.net  Thu Dec 22 12:54:43 2011
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 12:54:43 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Does this look like a secunia knock-off?
In-Reply-To: <98F613EE307B4324BE869417B64C458B@HAL9007>
References: <98F613EE307B4324BE869417B64C458B@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <01c201ccc0db$2b1d8ef0$8158acd0$@winhaven.net>

Secunia has no wrap on the market for this type of application and it  is
certainly not a panacea of application updating. But it is a nice app for
non-techies to have.

There are far more intensive client server apps that will take care of a
whole network. 

And there are numerous small apps like Cnet's. File Hippo is another that I
use on occasion. (Since Secunia is not perfect and not all inclusive.)
Actually I will probably use it more now that Cnet has included a downloaded
app with theirs. They recently "updated " their app to include a downloader.
Problem #1 it can include the option to install ride along downloads like
toolbars and other CRAP that I detest (defaulted to yes of course) Problem
#2 (for me anyway) is it doesn't download the apps I want it downloads a
link to the apps which when you decide to install then download and install
without giving you a choice a where to save them. So if you have more than
one computer you have to use their app to update each one rather than saving
the apps to a network folder and just installing them via the network. IMO
that stinks.

I uninstalled mine Cnet tech tracker and recommend that you do not use it.
Head over to File Hippo and download free apps from there.

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 11:53 AM
To: List; 'Off Topic'
Subject: [dba-Tech] Does this look like a secunia knock-off?

http://www.cnet.com/techtracker-free/
 
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Tue Dec 27 10:35:07 2011
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2011 11:35:07 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Charles Babbage
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1gdfP5SmWhz2EQuAVZpxBPZ=RSd0GHi+TaM6pry9NQ8eg@mail.gmail.com>

>From slashdot...

"It was on this day 220 years ago (December 26 1791) that Charles Babbage
was born. The calculating machines he invented in the 19th century,
although never fully realized in his lifetime, are rightly seen as the
forerunners of modern programmable computers. [0]What if he had succeeded?
Babbage already had plans for game arcades, chess playing machines, sound
generators and desktop publishing. A Victorian computer revolution was
entirely possible."

-- 
For more information on this and an imaginative take on it, read "The
Difference Engine", by William Gibson and Bruce Sterling; an amazing piece
of fiction, IMO, but frankly not quite my favorite take on historical S-F.
That vote would go to "Cryptonomicon" by Neal Stephenson, neck and neck
with "V." by Thomas Pynchon.

Arthur
Cell: 647.710.1314

Thirty spokes converge on a hub
but it's the emptiness
that makes a wheel work
   -- from the Daodejing


From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Tue Dec 27 18:16:42 2011
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2011 19:16:42 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Google's pricing for ads
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1gmPgEbz2xH=TK1BTmHgeF_iMiDrf3pOBKqbjveFaX9rg@mail.gmail.com>

Does anyone know how they price this stuff? i.e. I have a site that is all
about frisbee, and I want to collect some advertisers, and also post my own
ads for collectibles etc. Anyone got any advice for how to proceed?

TIA,
Arthur

-- 
Cell: 647.710.1314

Thirty spokes converge on a hub
but it's the emptiness
that makes a wheel work
   -- from the Daodejing


From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Dec 28 14:42:55 2011
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 12:42:55 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] So what is super hot in the tech world?
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1gdfP5SmWhz2EQuAVZpxBPZ=RSd0GHi+TaM6pry9NQ8eg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1gdfP5SmWhz2EQuAVZpxBPZ=RSd0GHi+TaM6pry9NQ8eg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <049D77D9530A404F9C1B51EBD72D5BE5@creativesystemdesigns.com>

You have to look no further than the NoSQL super database called Hadoop.
Development in this product has been drawing the best and the brightest from
all over the computer world.

With databases now exceeded 100 million records the SQL structured DBs no
longer functions well in this new environment.

http://tinyurl.com/d28d3r6

Jim



From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Wed Dec 28 15:55:19 2011
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 07:55:19 +1000
Subject: [dba-Tech] So what is super hot in the tech world?
In-Reply-To: <049D77D9530A404F9C1B51EBD72D5BE5@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <CAEPJO1gdfP5SmWhz2EQuAVZpxBPZ=RSd0GHi+TaM6pry9NQ8eg@mail.gmail.com>,
	<049D77D9530A404F9C1B51EBD72D5BE5@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <4EFB9047.14178.47C997D4@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Yada, yada, yada.

Still evangelising I see :-)

100 million records is not per se a problem for a SQL structured DB.

No matter how many times people claim that it is, NoSQL is NOT a replacement for SQL, 

NoSQL is just a group of solutions to manage types of data that SQL is not ideal for.

You might just as well say:
With images exceeding several megabytes in size, NoAccess is much better than Access for 
manipulating graphic data.    Take for instance the NoAcess super application called 
PhotoShop.


-- 
Stuart

On 28 Dec 2011 at 12:42, Jim Lawrence wrote:

> You have to look no further than the NoSQL super database called Hadoop.
> Development in this product has been drawing the best and the brightest from
> all over the computer world.
> 
> With databases now exceeded 100 million records the SQL structured DBs no
> longer functions well in this new environment.
> 
> http://tinyurl.com/d28d3r6
> 
> Jim
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Dec 28 16:18:15 2011
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 14:18:15 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] So what is super hot in the tech world?
In-Reply-To: <4EFB9047.14178.47C997D4@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <CAEPJO1gdfP5SmWhz2EQuAVZpxBPZ=RSd0GHi+TaM6pry9NQ8eg@mail.gmail.com>
	<049D77D9530A404F9C1B51EBD72D5BE5@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<4EFB9047.14178.47C997D4@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <53242CA745E04FB8A1885D71AD3FB01B@creativesystemdesigns.com>

It does not matter what you or I think, it what is important and real. 

That what is super hot in the computer business is Hadoop.

I may never use the product other than to play with but we have to keep
abreast on the market trends.

The difference between NoSQL and SQL databases is like Mya and
Photoshop...one processes thousands of images and one, just one image at a
time. We may never need anything more than Photoshop but for those in the
image and movie business, Mya is one of the products of choice.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 1:55 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'; 'Discussion concerning
Visual Basic and related programming issues.'; 'Discussion concerning MS SQL
Server'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] So what is super hot in the tech world?

Yada, yada, yada.

Still evangelising I see :-)

100 million records is not per se a problem for a SQL structured DB.

No matter how many times people claim that it is, NoSQL is NOT a replacement
for SQL, 

NoSQL is just a group of solutions to manage types of data that SQL is not
ideal for.

You might just as well say:
With images exceeding several megabytes in size, NoAccess is much better
than Access for 
manipulating graphic data.    Take for instance the NoAcess super
application called 
PhotoShop.


-- 
Stuart

On 28 Dec 2011 at 12:42, Jim Lawrence wrote:

> You have to look no further than the NoSQL super database called Hadoop.
> Development in this product has been drawing the best and the brightest
from
> all over the computer world.
> 
> With databases now exceeded 100 million records the SQL structured DBs no
> longer functions well in this new environment.
> 
> http://tinyurl.com/d28d3r6
> 
> Jim
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From listmaster at databaseadvisors.com  Thu Dec 29 10:32:09 2011
From: listmaster at databaseadvisors.com (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 11:32:09 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Administrivia - List Archives
Message-ID: <CAAZtbWGA8EgLKcrX0LOaCUxsuEF7NOq9ZPsjX=q7mKr813yfWA@mail.gmail.com>

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The search functionality should be up and running again very shortly too.

I want to apologize for having the archives off-line for such a long
time, but, unfortunately, life got in the way. :(

I hope you all have a wonderful and prosperous New Year!

-- 
Bryan Carbonnell - listmaster at databaseadvisors.com
Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well
preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out,
shouting "What a great ride!"

From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Dec 29 11:10:49 2011
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 09:10:49 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Administrivia - List Archives
In-Reply-To: <CAAZtbWGA8EgLKcrX0LOaCUxsuEF7NOq9ZPsjX=q7mKr813yfWA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAAZtbWGA8EgLKcrX0LOaCUxsuEF7NOq9ZPsjX=q7mKr813yfWA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <734FDB6DA8AE425C8ACFD73BE695C2CC@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Hi Bryan:

Thanks for all your work. 

I have been unable to do the fixes I need as our site hosting contact is
away in Mexico, in some little village with no or little internet and I did
not notice any VPN connection issues until he had left. (He has just sent a
note saying he will be back in 2 days.)

I hope everything is going well for you and your family. Did the girls get
to spend Christmas with you?

Merry Christmas and have a Happy New Year.

Regards
Jim 


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bryan Carbonnell
Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2011 8:32 AM
To: administrivia at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [dba-Tech] Administrivia - List Archives

Hi Everyone,

I just wanted to let you all know that the archives are back online
after a lengthy delay. If you notice ANYTHING unusual about the
archives, PLEASE let me know, listmaster at databaseadvisors.com or
carbonnb at gmail.com.

The search functionality should be up and running again very shortly too.

I want to apologize for having the archives off-line for such a long
time, but, unfortunately, life got in the way. :(

I hope you all have a wonderful and prosperous New Year!

-- 
Bryan Carbonnell - listmaster at databaseadvisors.com
Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well
preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out,
shouting "What a great ride!"
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From peter.brawley at earthlink.net  Thu Dec 29 12:36:00 2011
From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 12:36:00 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] gmail & privacy
Message-ID: <4EFCB310.9070702@earthlink.net>

Once we sign up for GMail or Google Voice, Google does what it calls 
"content extraction" (to refine its targeted advertising) on all 
messages  from us /and to us/. That exposes everybody we communicate 
with on these services.

In the US, a Fourth Amendment legal action might put a stop to that, 
though AFAIK none has yet begun. What about other countries?

PB

From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu Dec 29 15:38:23 2011
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2011 07:38:23 +1000
Subject: [dba-Tech] gmail & privacy
In-Reply-To: <4EFCB310.9070702@earthlink.net>
References: <4EFCB310.9070702@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <4EFCDDCF.27326.4CE084CC@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

You put your info through my mail servers, and I can do what I want with it.   I have given no 
guarantee of privacy.   If you don't like it, don't use my mail service.  :-)

-- 
Stuart

On 29 Dec 2011 at 12:36, Peter Brawley wrote:

> Once we sign up for GMail or Google Voice, Google does what it calls 
> "content extraction" (to refine its targeted advertising) on all 
> messages  from us /and to us/. That exposes everybody we communicate 
> with on these services.
> 
> In the US, a Fourth Amendment legal action might put a stop to that, 
> though AFAIK none has yet begun. What about other countries?
> 
> PB
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 




From peter.brawley at earthlink.net  Thu Dec 29 16:02:34 2011
From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 16:02:34 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] gmail & privacy
In-Reply-To: <4EFCDDCF.27326.4CE084CC@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <4EFCB310.9070702@earthlink.net>
	<4EFCDDCF.27326.4CE084CC@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <4EFCE37A.1010401@earthlink.net>

On 12/29/2011 3:38 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote:
> You put your info through my mail servers, and I can do what I want with it.   I have given no
> guarantee of privacy.   If you don't like it, don't use my mail service.:-)

Happy New Year to you too! :-)

PB

----
> -- Stuart On 29 Dec 2011 at 12:36, Peter Brawley wrote:
>> >  Once we sign up for GMail or Google Voice, Google does what it calls
>> >  "content extraction" (to refine its targeted advertising) on all
>> >  messages  from us/and to us/. That exposes everybody we communicate
>> >  with on these services.
>> >  
>> >  In the US, a Fourth Amendment legal action might put a stop to that,
>> >  though AFAIK none has yet begun. What about other countries?
>> >  
>> >  PB

From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Dec 29 16:08:35 2011
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 14:08:35 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] gmail & privacy
In-Reply-To: <4EFCDDCF.27326.4CE084CC@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <4EFCB310.9070702@earthlink.net>
	<4EFCDDCF.27326.4CE084CC@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <33EADD53029D46338FF0F77CB42A369A@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Blunt but about right.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2011 1:38 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] gmail & privacy

You put your info through my mail servers, and I can do what I want with it.
I have given no 
guarantee of privacy.   If you don't like it, don't use my mail service.
:-)

-- 
Stuart

On 29 Dec 2011 at 12:36, Peter Brawley wrote:

> Once we sign up for GMail or Google Voice, Google does what it calls 
> "content extraction" (to refine its targeted advertising) on all 
> messages  from us /and to us/. That exposes everybody we communicate 
> with on these services.
> 
> In the US, a Fourth Amendment legal action might put a stop to that, 
> though AFAIK none has yet begun. What about other countries?
> 
> PB
> _______________________________________________
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> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Dec 30 02:06:07 2011
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2011 09:06:07 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] gmail & privacy
Message-ID: <sefd7f23.098@cactus.dk>

Hi Peter

Don't forget the old saying, that sending an e-mail is like sending an open postcard.
It really is that simple but people seem to forget.
For example, many - even enterprises - use external services for spam filtering. What can these services do other than reading your mail and take a decision wether it is spam or malware or good mail? In this process, all your mail may be exposed for any one at that service completely out of your control.

If you wish to e-mail anything in privacy, encrypt the content or move it to an encrypted attachment.

/gustav


>>> peter.brawley at earthlink.net 29-12-2011 23:02 >>>
On 12/29/2011 3:38 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote:
> You put your info through my mail servers, and I can do what I want with it.   I have given no
> guarantee of privacy.   If you don't like it, don't use my mail service.:-)

Happy New Year to you too! :-)

PB

----
> -- Stuart On 29 Dec 2011 at 12:36, Peter Brawley wrote:
>> >  Once we sign up for GMail or Google Voice, Google does what it calls
>> >  "content extraction" (to refine its targeted advertising) on all
>> >  messages  from us/and to us/. That exposes everybody we communicate
>> >  with on these services.
>> >  
>> >  In the US, a Fourth Amendment legal action might put a stop to that,
>> >  though AFAIK none has yet begun. What about other countries?
>> >  
>> >  PB



From peter.brawley at earthlink.net  Fri Dec 30 03:56:01 2011
From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2011 03:56:01 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] gmail & privacy
In-Reply-To: <sefd7f23.098@cactus.dk>
References: <sefd7f23.098@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <4EFD8AB1.1050400@earthlink.net>

On 12/30/2011 2:06 AM, Gustav Brock wrote:
> Hi Peter
>
> Don't forget the old saying, that sending an e-mail is like sending an open postcard.
> It really is that simple

Not at all that simple: the postman or neighbourhood kids reading my 
postcard (like people nearby hearing a personal conversation on a train) 
is a far cry from a global corporation mining everyone's electronic 
postcards to track their lives. That's Orwell's concept of Big Brother 
implemented by corporations.

> but people seem to forget.
> For example, many - even enterprises - use external services for spam filtering. What can these services do other than reading your mail and take a decision wether it is spam or malware or good mail? In this process, all your mail may be exposed for any one at that service completely out of your control.
>
> If you wish to e-mail anything in privacy, encrypt the content or move it to an encrypted attachment.

Sure. The question is whether there's a need for regulation of practices 
like Google's.

PB

-----
>
> /gustav
>
>
>>>> peter.brawley at earthlink.net 29-12-2011 23:02>>>
> On 12/29/2011 3:38 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote:
>> You put your info through my mail servers, and I can do what I want with it.   I have given no
>> guarantee of privacy.   If you don't like it, don't use my mail service.:-)
> Happy New Year to you too! :-)
>
> PB
>
> ----
>> -- Stuart On 29 Dec 2011 at 12:36, Peter Brawley wrote:
>>>>   Once we sign up for GMail or Google Voice, Google does what it calls
>>>>   "content extraction" (to refine its targeted advertising) on all
>>>>   messages  from us/and to us/. That exposes everybody we communicate
>>>>   with on these services.
>>>>
>>>>   In the US, a Fourth Amendment legal action might put a stop to that,
>>>>   though AFAIK none has yet begun. What about other countries?
>>>>
>>>>   PB
>
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
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>

From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Dec 30 07:34:13 2011
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2011 05:34:13 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] gmail & privacy
In-Reply-To: <4EFD8AB1.1050400@earthlink.net>
References: <sefd7f23.098@cactus.dk> <4EFD8AB1.1050400@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <8D8C685CCD5040BB82D0A44C279ABC16@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Gustav is right and you are right. 

The computers have made all our mail just an open postcard and computers
have made our mail easy to read by anyone, for any purpose.

If you want conversations to have any degree of privacy you will have to do
what all major corporations do. For executive messages and secure data
transfers they build a VPN through out the company and all their hard drives
are encrypted. (All banks do this.)

You can use Hamachi from Logmein or OpenVPN (http://openvpn.net/), then
there are numerous drive encryption software packages and online storage
sites. Check some of the reviews given but the likes of Steve Gibson, on his
podcast recommendations.

Welcome to the age of information where privacy for those jacked-in does not
exist and your only real protection is a democratic government.

Jim


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Peter Brawley
Sent: Friday, December 30, 2011 1:56 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] gmail & privacy

On 12/30/2011 2:06 AM, Gustav Brock wrote:
> Hi Peter
>
> Don't forget the old saying, that sending an e-mail is like sending an
open postcard.
> It really is that simple

Not at all that simple: the postman or neighbourhood kids reading my 
postcard (like people nearby hearing a personal conversation on a train) 
is a far cry from a global corporation mining everyone's electronic 
postcards to track their lives. That's Orwell's concept of Big Brother 
implemented by corporations.

> but people seem to forget.
> For example, many - even enterprises - use external services for spam
filtering. What can these services do other than reading your mail and take
a decision wether it is spam or malware or good mail? In this process, all
your mail may be exposed for any one at that service completely out of your
control.
>
> If you wish to e-mail anything in privacy, encrypt the content or move it
to an encrypted attachment.

Sure. The question is whether there's a need for regulation of practices 
like Google's.

PB

-----
>
> /gustav
>
>
>>>> peter.brawley at earthlink.net 29-12-2011 23:02>>>
> On 12/29/2011 3:38 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote:
>> You put your info through my mail servers, and I can do what I want with
it.   I have given no
>> guarantee of privacy.   If you don't like it, don't use my mail
service.:-)
> Happy New Year to you too! :-)
>
> PB
>
> ----
>> -- Stuart On 29 Dec 2011 at 12:36, Peter Brawley wrote:
>>>>   Once we sign up for GMail or Google Voice, Google does what it calls
>>>>   "content extraction" (to refine its targeted advertising) on all
>>>>   messages  from us/and to us/. That exposes everybody we communicate
>>>>   with on these services.
>>>>
>>>>   In the US, a Fourth Amendment legal action might put a stop to that,
>>>>   though AFAIK none has yet begun. What about other countries?
>>>>
>>>>   PB
>
> _______________________________________________
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From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Fri Dec 30 07:55:41 2011
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2011 08:55:41 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] gmail & privacy
In-Reply-To: <4EFCB310.9070702@earthlink.net>
References: <4EFCB310.9070702@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <4EFDC2DD.1030101@torchlake.com>

Yup, email is not private.  That's an important fact.  I drill that one 
into my students' heads.  There is no expectation of privacy in email, 
so whatever information we do not want shared with the world should not 
go into an email message.  That's how I roll.  :-)
T

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields at torchlake.com
231-322-2787


On 12/29/2011 1:36 PM, Peter Brawley wrote:
> Once we sign up for GMail or Google Voice, Google does what it calls 
> "content extraction" (to refine its targeted advertising) on all 
> messages  from us /and to us/. That exposes everybody we communicate 
> with on these services.
>
> In the US, a Fourth Amendment legal action might put a stop to that, 
> though AFAIK none has yet begun. What about other countries?
>
> PB
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>

From marklbreen at gmail.com  Fri Dec 30 08:55:39 2011
From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2011 14:55:39 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Proxy Server for Windows 2008
Message-ID: <CAGXtTCgd8oZjNRX_tX0M6ej2uvTQVV-Dv9o7T+kgzjYgC14CuA@mail.gmail.com>

Hello All,

I have been searching for a free proxy server for Windows 2008 R2 and am
not finding much other than Squid which seems to also have some issues
running on Windows.

Have you any suggestions of Proxy Servers that you know of ?

Squid seems to be struggling with the move to windows,
I see little mention of FreeProxy
ccProxy is not free

what other options are there?

thanks

Mark

From john at winhaven.net  Fri Dec 30 12:20:03 2011
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2011 12:20:03 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Encryption
Message-ID: <015001ccc71f$a65b59e0$f3120da0$@winhaven.net>

I have a client who needs encryption. They are presently on WinXP. Does
anyone have experience with an encryption program for XP that works well and
is reliable?

 



From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Fri Dec 30 12:30:43 2011
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2011 13:30:43 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] A global warming fairy tale
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1gy-gUZXXr1CDA=nN8fm2T3ofpVsgjEYykP-smQAYqNww@mail.gmail.com>

Last night was the first night that a few centimeters of snow lasted until
this morning. Temporarily, we just entered "Winter" a few days back, but in
most of my history of dwelling in Toronto, this is the longest that the
first snowfall survived the next morning. There are traces, about 1cm deep
at their deepest. There was no "White Christmas" and it looks suspiciously
as if there shall be no New Year's Eve as well.

Rumours are abundant that the whole thermo-geography shall soon change:
pretty soon we'll be growing avocados in Yukon and the former Northwest
Territories; which leads to further speculation about former-Quebecois
moving to Florida, and suddenly the winter-palace ratio reverses.

But here is another novel suggestion: the poor polar bears are running out
of ice-caps upon which to float while stalking the seals (not the Navy
Seals). My innovative suggestion is to fly all the polar bears that invade
Churchill, Manitoba, from there to Antarctica, where they can festively
dine upon penguins, which in turn shall cause increasing survival of the
krill and thereby foster the re-population of numerous species.

Into this equation, we must also factor in the evil fishing-factories, and
somehow, someway, curtail their rape of the oceans.
A.

-- 
Cell: 647.710.1314

Thirty spokes converge on a hub
but it's the emptiness
that makes a wheel work
   -- from the Daodejing

From df.waters at comcast.net  Fri Dec 30 12:37:20 2011
From: df.waters at comcast.net (Dan Waters)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2011 12:37:20 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] A global warming fairy tale
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1gy-gUZXXr1CDA=nN8fm2T3ofpVsgjEYykP-smQAYqNww@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1gy-gUZXXr1CDA=nN8fm2T3ofpVsgjEYykP-smQAYqNww@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000601ccc722$106fce40$314f6ac0$@comcast.net>

This was OT right?

Anyway your idea won't work - Antarctica is also losing a lot of ice.  Due
to Global Warming.

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Friday, December 30, 2011 12:31 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] A global warming fairy tale

Last night was the first night that a few centimeters of snow lasted until
this morning. Temporarily, we just entered "Winter" a few days back, but in
most of my history of dwelling in Toronto, this is the longest that the
first snowfall survived the next morning. There are traces, about 1cm deep
at their deepest. There was no "White Christmas" and it looks suspiciously
as if there shall be no New Year's Eve as well.

Rumours are abundant that the whole thermo-geography shall soon change:
pretty soon we'll be growing avocados in Yukon and the former Northwest
Territories; which leads to further speculation about former-Quebecois
moving to Florida, and suddenly the winter-palace ratio reverses.

But here is another novel suggestion: the poor polar bears are running out
of ice-caps upon which to float while stalking the seals (not the Navy
Seals). My innovative suggestion is to fly all the polar bears that invade
Churchill, Manitoba, from there to Antarctica, where they can festively dine
upon penguins, which in turn shall cause increasing survival of the krill
and thereby foster the re-population of numerous species.

Into this equation, we must also factor in the evil fishing-factories, and
somehow, someway, curtail their rape of the oceans.
A.

--
Cell: 647.710.1314

Thirty spokes converge on a hub
but it's the emptiness
that makes a wheel work
   -- from the Daodejing
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Dec 30 13:10:45 2011
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2011 11:10:45 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] A global warming fairy tale
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1gy-gUZXXr1CDA=nN8fm2T3ofpVsgjEYykP-smQAYqNww@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1gy-gUZXXr1CDA=nN8fm2T3ofpVsgjEYykP-smQAYqNww@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BD09AD9F844B426D90677E025AB7889C@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Where is Toronto's first (brown) snow?...it should be starting by October
31st...what's happened.

As for your bi-line:

" 
Thirty spokes converge on a hub
but it's the emptiness
that makes a wheel work
   -- from the Daodejing
" 

The same can be said of the entire universe. ;-)


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Friday, December 30, 2011 10:31 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] A global warming fairy tale

Last night was the first night that a few centimeters of snow lasted until
this morning. Temporarily, we just entered "Winter" a few days back, but in
most of my history of dwelling in Toronto, this is the longest that the
first snowfall survived the next morning. There are traces, about 1cm deep
at their deepest. There was no "White Christmas" and it looks suspiciously
as if there shall be no New Year's Eve as well.

Rumours are abundant that the whole thermo-geography shall soon change:
pretty soon we'll be growing avocados in Yukon and the former Northwest
Territories; which leads to further speculation about former-Quebecois
moving to Florida, and suddenly the winter-palace ratio reverses.

But here is another novel suggestion: the poor polar bears are running out
of ice-caps upon which to float while stalking the seals (not the Navy
Seals). My innovative suggestion is to fly all the polar bears that invade
Churchill, Manitoba, from there to Antarctica, where they can festively
dine upon penguins, which in turn shall cause increasing survival of the
krill and thereby foster the re-population of numerous species.

Into this equation, we must also factor in the evil fishing-factories, and
somehow, someway, curtail their rape of the oceans.
A.

-- 
Cell: 647.710.1314

Thirty spokes converge on a hub
but it's the emptiness
that makes a wheel work
   -- from the Daodejing
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From jon at tydda.plus.com  Fri Dec 30 13:29:48 2011
From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2011 19:29:48 -0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Encryption
In-Reply-To: <015001ccc71f$a65b59e0$f3120da0$@winhaven.net>
References: <015001ccc71f$a65b59e0$f3120da0$@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <79908132F4414FD38CE01106ECB3D55A@jt2c>

Utimaco Safeguard is pretty reliable, unless you need to change your windows
password, and rely on the user doing it before it's forced and their laptop
isn't connected to the network. Then you're buggered... We have one user who
does this repeatedly, so every month it's the same routine - she has to
send/bring the laptop to us from her site (80 miles away) and I log in with
the admin account to fix it. It's a PITA...

Shame they're not on Windows 7, because Bitlocker is really easy to use, and
the encryption key is written to the domain, so I shows up in the computer
account in "Users & Computers" in the Admin Tools.


Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow
Sent: 30 December 2011 18:20
To: DBA-Tech
Subject: [dba-Tech] Encryption

I have a client who needs encryption. They are presently on WinXP. Does
anyone have experience with an encryption program for XP that works well and
is reliable?

 


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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Fri Dec 30 13:43:45 2011
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2011 14:43:45 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] A global warming fairy tale
In-Reply-To: <BD09AD9F844B426D90677E025AB7889C@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <CAEPJO1gy-gUZXXr1CDA=nN8fm2T3ofpVsgjEYykP-smQAYqNww@mail.gmail.com>
	<BD09AD9F844B426D90677E025AB7889C@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1hh0PEue_RvGBFW3_5gCF+QoVXw27s0UrsgeJq3CnpD8Q@mail.gmail.com>

Historically it has almost always been the first snow between Nov.1 and
Nov. 15. Most always in the past 35 years anyway, not much of a
climate-estimate but that's as long as I have lived here. And the rest is
fiction, as it were. That's my story and I'm stickin' to it.

On Fri, Dec 30, 2011 at 2:10 PM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> Where is Toronto's first (brown) snow?...it should be starting by October
> 31st...what's happened.
>
> As for your bi-line:
>
> "
> Thirty spokes converge on a hub
> but it's the emptiness
> that makes a wheel work
>   -- from the Daodejing
> "
>
> The same can be said of the entire universe. ;-)
>

And so it should!

>
>
>

From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Fri Dec 30 15:32:13 2011
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 07:32:13 +1000
Subject: [dba-Tech] gmail & privacy
In-Reply-To: <8D8C685CCD5040BB82D0A44C279ABC16@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <sefd7f23.098@cactus.dk>, <4EFD8AB1.1050400@earthlink.net>,
	<8D8C685CCD5040BB82D0A44C279ABC16@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <4EFE2DDD.6599.2F032D1@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Since the Internet is global, does that mean you are in favour of a "one-world governement"?
:-)

-- 
Stuart

On 30 Dec 2011 at 5:34, Jim Lawrence wrote:

> Welcome to the age of information where privacy for those jacked-in does not
> exist and your only real protection is a democratic government.
> 
> Jim
> 



From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Fri Dec 30 15:45:56 2011
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 07:45:56 +1000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Encryption
In-Reply-To: <015001ccc71f$a65b59e0$f3120da0$@winhaven.net>
References: <015001ccc71f$a65b59e0$f3120da0$@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <4EFE3114.24042.2FCC0BE@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

What for? Emails, individual files/documents, an encrypted drive or partition?

I keep my confidential stuff in Truecrypt  "disks". 

-- 
Stuart

On 30 Dec 2011 at 12:20, John Bartow wrote:

> I have a client who needs encryption. They are presently on WinXP. Does
> anyone have experience with an encryption program for XP that works well and
> is reliable?
> 
>  
> 
> 
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Dec 30 16:10:36 2011
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2011 14:10:36 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] gmail & privacy
In-Reply-To: <4EFE2DDD.6599.2F032D1@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <sefd7f23.098@cactus.dk> <4EFD8AB1.1050400@earthlink.net>
	<8D8C685CCD5040BB82D0A44C279ABC16@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<4EFE2DDD.6599.2F032D1@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <1A501835F81A4742BE68E60BA6E02F97@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Maybe at one point there will be standard conventions of governance but not
in our life-times...This is not Star-Trek. ;-)

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Friday, December 30, 2011 1:32 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] gmail & privacy

Since the Internet is global, does that mean you are in favour of a
"one-world governement"?
:-)

-- 
Stuart

On 30 Dec 2011 at 5:34, Jim Lawrence wrote:

> Welcome to the age of information where privacy for those jacked-in does
not
> exist and your only real protection is a democratic government.
> 
> Jim
> 


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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Fri Dec 30 17:17:30 2011
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2011 15:17:30 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] A global warming fairy tale
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1gy-gUZXXr1CDA=nN8fm2T3ofpVsgjEYykP-smQAYqNww@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1gy-gUZXXr1CDA=nN8fm2T3ofpVsgjEYykP-smQAYqNww@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <04710E2C0F514E1FBA4B99FBE93284A5@HAL9007>

Weather is not climate.  One winter does not a climate make.  The climate is
going to change - at least I believe that - but a year or even several years
of drought, or rain, or lack of snow in December is not the evidence for
that.

Rocky
 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Friday, December 30, 2011 10:31 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] A global warming fairy tale

Last night was the first night that a few centimeters of snow lasted until
this morning. Temporarily, we just entered "Winter" a few days back, but in
most of my history of dwelling in Toronto, this is the longest that the
first snowfall survived the next morning. There are traces, about 1cm deep
at their deepest. There was no "White Christmas" and it looks suspiciously
as if there shall be no New Year's Eve as well.

Rumours are abundant that the whole thermo-geography shall soon change:
pretty soon we'll be growing avocados in Yukon and the former Northwest
Territories; which leads to further speculation about former-Quebecois
moving to Florida, and suddenly the winter-palace ratio reverses.

But here is another novel suggestion: the poor polar bears are running out
of ice-caps upon which to float while stalking the seals (not the Navy
Seals). My innovative suggestion is to fly all the polar bears that invade
Churchill, Manitoba, from there to Antarctica, where they can festively dine
upon penguins, which in turn shall cause increasing survival of the krill
and thereby foster the re-population of numerous species.

Into this equation, we must also factor in the evil fishing-factories, and
somehow, someway, curtail their rape of the oceans.
A.

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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Fri Dec 30 17:55:10 2011
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 09:55:10 +1000
Subject: [dba-Tech] A global warming fairy tale
In-Reply-To: <04710E2C0F514E1FBA4B99FBE93284A5@HAL9007>
References: <CAEPJO1gy-gUZXXr1CDA=nN8fm2T3ofpVsgjEYykP-smQAYqNww@mail.gmail.com>,
	<04710E2C0F514E1FBA4B99FBE93284A5@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <4EFE4F5E.2336.3731259@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

I don't think that anyone (other than Michael Mann), believes that climate doesn't change all 
the time.

The big unknowns are: within various timeframes -  in what direction, by how much, what will 
be the good and bad effects for mankind of such changes?

-- 
Stuart

On 30 Dec 2011 at 15:17, Rocky Smolin wrote:

>The climate is  going to change - at least I believe that


From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Fri Dec 30 21:15:58 2011
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2011 22:15:58 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: This concerns life and laughs and a happy new year
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1iZ4R5Q8_1uJyoHOTaCEW938C9txC45xCQ1okqSp-9DKQ@mail.gmail.com>

For some of the funniest stuff I have ever heard on radio, I suggest
visiting this:

http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/323/the-super. Part
Two is probably my fave, but Part One might be of most interest to Shamil
etc. But altogether, the whole piece is a masterpiece. The snowman who
could bench-press 300 pounds! Who woulda thunk it!

-- 
Cell: 647.710.1314

Thirty spokes converge on a hub
but it's the emptiness
that makes a wheel work
   -- from the Daodejing

From marklbreen at gmail.com  Sat Dec 31 05:16:21 2011
From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 11:16:21 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Encryption
In-Reply-To: <4EFE3114.24042.2FCC0BE@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <015001ccc71f$a65b59e0$f3120da0$@winhaven.net>
	<4EFE3114.24042.2FCC0BE@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <CAGXtTChMkqv6aWa_39hLepJCKhjSZ6sKS+Y4zaacxuy3hA5JNg@mail.gmail.com>

Hello All,

And just to add, I had to install GnuGP yesterday and it works great for
encrypting and exchanging files.

My client had been using a Symantec product and paying ?100 per user, I
just installed the Opensource version and they were astonished :)

Mark



On 30 December 2011 21:45, Stuart McLachlan <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg> wrote:

> What for? Emails, individual files/documents, an encrypted drive or
> partition?
>
> I keep my confidential stuff in Truecrypt  "disks".
>
> --
> Stuart
>
> On 30 Dec 2011 at 12:20, John Bartow wrote:
>
> > I have a client who needs encryption. They are presently on WinXP. Does
> > anyone have experience with an encryption program for XP that works well
> and
> > is reliable?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > dba-Tech mailing list
> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
>
>
>
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Sat Dec 31 07:39:09 2011
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 08:39:09 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Pick a bale of cotton
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1gU3LDLOCnhpYLbBMcQWFLhRJE9iT38dRSOdHbQo11NcQ@mail.gmail.com>

This from slashdot...

*"Altering the very fabric of technophilic society, a multinational team of
material scientists have created electric circuits and transistors out of
cotton fibers<http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/110911-electric-circuits-and-transistors-made-from-cotton>
 (abstract<http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1566119911003065>).
Two kinds of transistor were created: a field-effect transistor (FET), much
like the transistors found in your computer's CPU; and an electrochemical
transistor, which is similar but capable of switching at lower voltages,
and thus better suited for wearable computers. Cotton itself is an
insulator, but by using various coatings, the team from Italy, France, and
the United States was able to make conductor and semiconductor cotton
'wires' that retained most of their flexibility. The immediate use-cases
are clothes with built-in sensors (think radiation or heartbeat monitors),
but ultimately, think of how many thousands of interconnections are in
every piece of cotton clothing ? you could make a fairly powerful computer!"
*

-- 
Arthur
Cell: 647.710.1314

Thirty spokes converge on a hub
but it's the emptiness
that makes a wheel work
   -- from the Daodejing

From accessd at shaw.ca  Sat Dec 31 07:42:35 2011
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 05:42:35 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Encryption
In-Reply-To: <CAGXtTChMkqv6aWa_39hLepJCKhjSZ6sKS+Y4zaacxuy3hA5JNg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <015001ccc71f$a65b59e0$f3120da0$@winhaven.net>
	<4EFE3114.24042.2FCC0BE@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<CAGXtTChMkqv6aWa_39hLepJCKhjSZ6sKS+Y4zaacxuy3hA5JNg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <582A5BAE671A4B85BCC35092CF52756A@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Excellent information...will keep this link.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen
Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2011 3:16 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Encryption

Hello All,

And just to add, I had to install GnuGP yesterday and it works great for
encrypting and exchanging files.

My client had been using a Symantec product and paying ?100 per user, I
just installed the Opensource version and they were astonished :)

Mark



On 30 December 2011 21:45, Stuart McLachlan <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg> wrote:

> What for? Emails, individual files/documents, an encrypted drive or
> partition?
>
> I keep my confidential stuff in Truecrypt  "disks".
>
> --
> Stuart
>
> On 30 Dec 2011 at 12:20, John Bartow wrote:
>
> > I have a client who needs encryption. They are presently on WinXP. Does
> > anyone have experience with an encryption program for XP that works well
> and
> > is reliable?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > dba-Tech mailing list
> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
>
>
>
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Sat Dec 31 07:55:48 2011
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 08:55:48 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] gmail & privacy
In-Reply-To: <1A501835F81A4742BE68E60BA6E02F97@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <sefd7f23.098@cactus.dk> <4EFD8AB1.1050400@earthlink.net>
	<8D8C685CCD5040BB82D0A44C279ABC16@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<4EFE2DDD.6599.2F032D1@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<1A501835F81A4742BE68E60BA6E02F97@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1j_Qw2Cx5ga4g2ffE0DoTiNiSmoF8FOPktW_PbVecJ4Ow@mail.gmail.com>

You naive fools! There already is a one-world government. It's run by 13
Sicilian rabbis. Wake up LOL.

Happy New Year!

On Fri, Dec 30, 2011 at 5:10 PM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> Maybe at one point there will be standard conventions of governance but not
> in our life-times...This is not Star-Trek. ;-)
>
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart
> McLachlan
> Sent: Friday, December 30, 2011 1:32 PM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] gmail & privacy
>
> Since the Internet is global, does that mean you are in favour of a
> "one-world governement"?
> :-)
>
> --
> Stuart
>
>

From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Sat Dec 31 08:07:36 2011
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 09:07:36 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Double Bill of All Time
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1irUgbQAq06y0nw4QBg+=20Hp7iRXhYEeb9e39Wu7+52A@mail.gmail.com>

Someone at CTV has a great sense of humour. The New Year's Eve double-bill
tonight is Mary Poppins followed by Bad Boys. I'm going to take notes and
try to figure out a sequel to both at once.

Arthur

-- 
Cell: 647.710.1314

Thirty spokes converge on a hub
but it's the emptiness
that makes a wheel work
   -- from the Daodejing

From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Sat Dec 31 14:32:27 2011
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 15:32:27 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Do we believe that this what has happened?
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1gTj+jj98tekXaAUQ8ArcFgW1dOFYPS2Y0rCKEWoQC5nw@mail.gmail.com>

I hope not, but fear that this take is correct...

The last 20 years of Internet policy have been dominated by the copyright
war, but the war turns out only to have been a skirmish. The coming century
will be dominated by war against the general purpose computer, and the
stakes are the freedom, fortune and privacy of the entire human race.

The problem is twofold: first, there is no known general-purpose computer
that can execute all the programs we can think of except the naughty ones;
second, general-purpose computers have replaced every other device in our
world. There are no airplanes, only computers that fly. There are no cars,
only computers we sit in. There are no hearing aids, only computers we put
in our ears. There are no 3D printers, only computers that drive
peripherals. There are no radios, only computers with fast ADCs and DACs
and phased-array antennas. Consequently anything you do to "secure"
anything with a computer in it ends up undermining the capabilities and
security of every other corner of modern human society.

*Update*: Here's a
transcript<https://github.com/jwise/28c3-doctorow/blob/master/transcript.md>,
courtesy of Joshua Wise.

Arthur

-- 
Cell: 647.710.1314

Thirty spokes converge on a hub
but it's the emptiness
that makes a wheel work
   -- from the Daodejing

From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sat Dec 31 16:31:41 2011
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sun, 01 Jan 2012 08:31:41 +1000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Do we believe that this what has happened?
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1gTj+jj98tekXaAUQ8ArcFgW1dOFYPS2Y0rCKEWoQC5nw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1gTj+jj98tekXaAUQ8ArcFgW1dOFYPS2Y0rCKEWoQC5nw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4EFF8D4D.32147.84D07A9@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Great link.  I always enjoy Cory.

I fear that *you* are correct.

-- 
Stuart

On 31 Dec 2011 at 15:32, Arthur Fuller wrote:

> I hope not, but fear that this take is correct...
> 
> The last 20 years of Internet policy have been dominated by the copyright
> war, but the war turns out only to have been a skirmish. The coming century
> will be dominated by war against the general purpose computer, and the
> stakes are the freedom, fortune and privacy of the entire human race.
> 
> The problem is twofold: first, there is no known general-purpose computer
> that can execute all the programs we can think of except the naughty ones;
> second, general-purpose computers have replaced every other device in our
> world. There are no airplanes, only computers that fly. There are no cars,
> only computers we sit in. There are no hearing aids, only computers we put
> in our ears. There are no 3D printers, only computers that drive
> peripherals. There are no radios, only computers with fast ADCs and DACs
> and phased-array antennas. Consequently anything you do to "secure"
> anything with a computer in it ends up undermining the capabilities and
> security of every other corner of modern human society.
> 
> *Update*: Here's a
> transcript<https://github.com/jwise/28c3-doctorow/blob/master/transcript.md>,
> courtesy of Joshua Wise.
> 
> Arthur
> 
> -- 
> Cell: 647.710.1314
> 
> Thirty spokes converge on a hub
> but it's the emptiness
> that makes a wheel work
>    -- from the Daodejing
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