From fuller.artful at gmail.com Tue Nov 1 09:26:42 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 10:26:42 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] How to make a complex URL look simple Message-ID: I have a friend who set a world record in the frisbee department. He has asked me how to transform a long and ugly URL into something much friendlier. Here is the ugly link, followed by his preferred URL name. Can this be done, and if so how so? "Can I get this link http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=aEk0AAAAIBAJ&sjid=c2cEAAAAIBAJ&pg=4766,2115121&dq=ken-westerfield&hl=en to look like this *Sarasota Herald-Tribune - May 21, 1978* and still link to the same article? If so, could you show me the code?" Hoping that it can be done. From hans.andersen at phulse.com Tue Nov 1 11:07:09 2011 From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen) Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 09:07:09 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] How to make a complex URL look simple In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Arthur, I'm not quite sure if you mean that he simply wants to have a simple url or if he wants to implement some code in some pre-existing codebase to do this, but tinyurl.com lets you customise your urls. Here is an example I made for you. http://tinyurl.com/Sarasota-HeraldTribune-21May78 There is one caveat, which is that there is a limit to how long your custom url is (with tinyurl anyways), so this was the best I could do. * Hans-Christian Andersen **Web Application Developer, Vancouver, Canada* *Unique Gifts, Collectables, Artwork* *Come one, come all to.... *www.corinnajasmine.com * * On 1 November 2011 07:26, Arthur Fuller wrote: > I have a friend who set a world record in the frisbee department. He has > asked me how to transform a long and ugly URL into something much > friendlier. Here is the ugly link, followed by his preferred URL name. Can > this be done, and if so how so? > > "Can I get this link > > http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=aEk0AAAAIBAJ&sjid=c2cEAAAAIBAJ&pg=4766,2115121&dq=ken-westerfield&hl=en > > to look like this > > *Sarasota Herald-Tribune - May 21, 1978* > > and still link to the same article? If so, could you show me the code?" > > Hoping that it can be done. > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From bheid at sc.rr.com Tue Nov 1 16:44:13 2011 From: bheid at sc.rr.com (Bobby Heid) Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 17:44:13 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] How to make a complex URL look simple In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000001cc98df$65e335e0$31a9a1a0$@sc.rr.com> And if you are talking about for use in an Outlook email (probably other clients also) or Word document, paste the URL into the document, right-click on the URL, and select edit hyperlink. The Link Text (I think that is what it is called) is what you would set to Sarasota Herald-Tribune - May 21, 1978. Bobby -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hans-Christian Andersen Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2011 12:07 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] How to make a complex URL look simple Hi Arthur, I'm not quite sure if you mean that he simply wants to have a simple url or if he wants to implement some code in some pre-existing codebase to do this, but tinyurl.com lets you customise your urls. Here is an example I made for you. http://tinyurl.com/Sarasota-HeraldTribune-21May78 There is one caveat, which is that there is a limit to how long your custom url is (with tinyurl anyways), so this was the best I could do. * Hans-Christian Andersen **Web Application Developer, Vancouver, Canada* *Unique Gifts, Collectables, Artwork* *Come one, come all to.... *www.corinnajasmine.com * * On 1 November 2011 07:26, Arthur Fuller wrote: > I have a friend who set a world record in the frisbee department. He has > asked me how to transform a long and ugly URL into something much > friendlier. Here is the ugly link, followed by his preferred URL name. Can > this be done, and if so how so? > > "Can I get this link > > http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=aEk0AAAAIBAJ&sjid=c2cEAAAAIBAJ&pg=4766, 2115121&dq=ken-westerfield&hl=en > > to look like this > > *Sarasota Herald-Tribune - May 21, 1978* > > and still link to the same article? If so, could you show me the code?" > > Hoping that it can be done. From jon.tydda at lonza.com Thu Nov 3 10:13:16 2011 From: jon.tydda at lonza.com (Tydda Jon - Slough) Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2011 16:13:16 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Opening a pdf via hyperlink in Excel Message-ID: Hi all I've got a bit of a strange problem with an Excel document. It's got hyperlinks in it to pdf documents, and when you click on these links, I get the message "Cannot open the specified file". This problem exists on Windows 7 computers, with combinations of Office 2003 SP3, Office 2010 SP1, Acrobat 9 and Acrobat X (I've tried it on machines with varying patch levels, including our standard install of 9.3.0, and my install of 9.4.6. I even removed that from my pc and upgraded to X.1.1. I'm just wondering if there's a setting somewhere that I need to tick or untick, or a library I need to add or something. Can anyone help? 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From fuller.artful at gmail.com Fri Nov 4 14:10:35 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 15:10:35 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Friday Humour: A Unique Screen Cleaner Message-ID: Check this out: http://www.horness.com/tools/screenclean.swf Arthur From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sat Nov 5 04:19:54 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2011 05:19:54 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Google tweaks to stifle Bing Message-ID: This from slashdot: *"As Bing gets closer to capturing almost 33% of the market share in the U.S., Google has again made a large tweak to its algorithms to provide more up-to-the-minute search results. The change affects around 35% of queries and is intended to give users more recent news and stories. For breaking news stories the search engine will now weight more heavily the most recent coverage, and not just those sites that are linked the most, and for general terms the search engine values fresh content more than old. Google is hoping that these recent new changes will provide better search experience and stops users from switching over to Bing, which just recently launched its own GroupOn like site."** **Arthur* From accessd at shaw.ca Sat Nov 5 11:03:16 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2011 09:03:16 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] The end of an era In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Microsoft may be gaining in the search engine market but people will be less likely to be using the IE browser to do that searching with. Considering that, IE is built into every Windows package sold, the browser use, for the first time has dropped below 50 percent. Its use has been dropping at about a half a percent a month for the last 5 years and the steady decent has not altered even with (and maybe because of) 3 new versions in three years. http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2011/11/the-end-of-an-era-internet-exp lorer-drops-below-50-percent-of-web-usage.ars Let us hope that MS fully adopts W3C standard HTML5 and CSS3 and becomes fully compliant with the industry standards. Then and only then, that downhill drop will stop. Jim From hans.andersen at phulse.com Sat Nov 5 21:03:46 2011 From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen) Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2011 19:03:46 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Google tweaks to stifle Bing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4CB95F05-4476-41C5-A582-AED301A6EA8B@phulse.com> I find the claim of a (close to) 33% market share for Bing rather incredible. I don't know how accurate or reliable Experian Hitwise are as sources. But, assuming for the moment that it is accurate, I'd be curious to see whether there is a relationship between Windows 7 adoption and Bing adoption. Hans-Christian Andersen Web & Mobile App Engineer, Vancouver, Canada E: hans at phulse.com W: http://www.foxtailapps.com/ T: +1 604 789 3331 L: http://www.linkedin.com/in/andersenhc Unique Gifts, Collectables, Artwork Come one, come all to.... www.corinnajasmine.com On 2011-11-05, at 2:19 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > This from slashdot: > > *"As Bing gets closer to capturing almost 33% of the market share in the > U.S., Google has again made a large tweak to its > algorithms > to > provide more up-to-the-minute search results. The change affects around 35% > of queries and is intended to give users more recent news and stories. For > breaking news stories the search engine will now weight more heavily the > most recent coverage, and not just those sites that are linked the most, > and for general terms the search engine values fresh content more than old. > Google is hoping that these recent new changes will provide better search > experience and stops users from switching over to Bing, which just recently > launched its own GroupOn like site."** > **Arthur* > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Sat Nov 5 23:40:01 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2011 21:40:01 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Google tweaks to stifle Bing In-Reply-To: <4CB95F05-4476-41C5-A582-AED301A6EA8B@phulse.com> References: <4CB95F05-4476-41C5-A582-AED301A6EA8B@phulse.com> Message-ID: <0BDB2A1C7F7A4D379305C23833B41DF6@creativesystemdesigns.com> Ha ha... I think you have stumbled on to it. It is just like equating the number of people using the IE browser with the number of Windows products sold. In real life, it doesn't work that way. As soon as a new Windows desktop is setup most people go about changing their browser (to anything but IE) and therefore their search engine (to anything but Bing)...that is why the stats on browser use and search engine use, according to the previous article posting, do not jive. Its just MS salesman talk. ;-) Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hans-Christian Andersen Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2011 7:04 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Google tweaks to stifle Bing I find the claim of a (close to) 33% market share for Bing rather incredible. I don't know how accurate or reliable Experian Hitwise are as sources. But, assuming for the moment that it is accurate, I'd be curious to see whether there is a relationship between Windows 7 adoption and Bing adoption. Hans-Christian Andersen Web & Mobile App Engineer, Vancouver, Canada E: hans at phulse.com W: http://www.foxtailapps.com/ T: +1 604 789 3331 L: http://www.linkedin.com/in/andersenhc Unique Gifts, Collectables, Artwork Come one, come all to.... www.corinnajasmine.com On 2011-11-05, at 2:19 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > This from slashdot: > > *"As Bing gets closer to capturing almost 33% of the market share in the > U.S., Google has again made a large tweak to its > algorithms > to > provide more up-to-the-minute search results. The change affects around 35% > of queries and is intended to give users more recent news and stories. For > breaking news stories the search engine will now weight more heavily the > most recent coverage, and not just those sites that are linked the most, > and for general terms the search engine values fresh content more than old. > Google is hoping that these recent new changes will provide better search > experience and stops users from switching over to Bing, which just recently > launched its own GroupOn like site."** > **Arthur* > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Mon Nov 7 07:45:20 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 08:45:20 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Three new elements make it into the periodic table Message-ID: >From slashdot: Three new elements get official backing [image: cn.jpg]*By Hamish Johnston* Darmstadtium (Ds), roentgenium (Rg) and copernicium (Cn) are here to stay now that the International Union of Pure and Applied Physics (IUPAP) has approved the names of these three new elements. The good news came yesterday at the General Assembly of IUPAP,which is running this week at the Institute of Physics (IOP) in London. Robert Kirby-Harris, chief executive of the IOP and secretary-general of IUPAP, said, ?The naming of these elements has been agreed in consultation with physicists around the world and we?re delighted to see them now being introduced to the periodic table.? The approval ends the long process of naming a new element, which typically begins with its discovery at a nuclear physics lab. Indeed, these latest three were all discovered at the GSI lab near the German city of Darmstadt ? which lent its name to Ds. Both Rg and Ds were first spotted in 1994 and have 111 and 110 protons, respectively. With an atomic number of 112, Cn first burst on the scene in 1996. Why has it taken so long for official approval? After GSI announced a discovery, it had to be reproduced at another facility ? and then both the International Union of Pure and Applied Chemistry (IUPAC) and IUPAP had to be convinced of the discovery. Then, the scientists who made the discovery suggest a name to the IUPAC/IUPAP Joint Working Party on the Discovery of Elements, which then recommends that the name be adopted. Finally, the name must be adopted by the General Assembly of IUPAP. If you?d like to know more about how these and other elements were found, we?ve just published an article by Paddy Regan, a nuclear physicist at the University of Surrey who works on the RISINGcollaboration at GSI. You can read it here . Arthur From fuller.artful at gmail.com Mon Nov 7 08:54:32 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 09:54:32 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Suggestions for a Utility to create ISOs from audio CDs Message-ID: I just downloaded and installed ISODisk but was immediately stymied. It said it only supports creation from data CDs. I need to make copies of a set of discs that are Cantonese lessons. Any suggestions, anyone? TIA, Arthur From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Nov 7 10:19:59 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 08:19:59 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Three new elements make it into the periodic table In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <92321DB6D07C4D2889F97D84CFA4B8BA@creativesystemdesigns.com> That is always interesting stuff...generally not that useful as these elements probably have a half-life of a few milli-seconds (on earth). ;-) I see from Google that it is Marie Curie's 144th birthday. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Monday, November 07, 2011 5:45 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Three new elements make it into the periodic table >From slashdot: Three new elements get official backing [image: cn.jpg]*By Hamish Johnston* Darmstadtium (Ds), roentgenium (Rg) and copernicium (Cn) are here to stay now that the International Union of Pure and Applied Physics (IUPAP) has approved the names of these three new elements. The good news came yesterday at the General Assembly of IUPAP,which is running this week at the Institute of Physics (IOP) in London. Robert Kirby-Harris, chief executive of the IOP and secretary-general of IUPAP, said, "The naming of these elements has been agreed in consultation with physicists around the world and we're delighted to see them now being introduced to the periodic table." The approval ends the long process of naming a new element, which typically begins with its discovery at a nuclear physics lab. Indeed, these latest three were all discovered at the GSI lab near the German city of Darmstadt - which lent its name to Ds. Both Rg and Ds were first spotted in 1994 and have 111 and 110 protons, respectively. With an atomic number of 112, Cn first burst on the scene in 1996. Why has it taken so long for official approval? After GSI announced a discovery, it had to be reproduced at another facility - and then both the International Union of Pure and Applied Chemistry (IUPAC) and IUPAP had to be convinced of the discovery. Then, the scientists who made the discovery suggest a name to the IUPAC/IUPAP Joint Working Party on the Discovery of Elements, which then recommends that the name be adopted. Finally, the name must be adopted by the General Assembly of IUPAP. If you'd like to know more about how these and other elements were found, we've just published an article by Paddy Regan, a nuclear physicist at the University of Surrey who works on the RISINGcollaboration at GSI. You can read it here . Arthur _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Nov 7 10:26:05 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 08:26:05 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Suggestions for a Utility to create ISOs from audio CDs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I generally use imgburn (http://www.imgburn.com/ )for all my ISO building and burning needs. It appears that isodisk just has the abilty to mount an iso as a drive and view the results just as you can scan a zip file before opening it...is that correct? Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Monday, November 07, 2011 6:55 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Suggestions for a Utility to create ISOs from audio CDs I just downloaded and installed ISODisk but was immediately stymied. It said it only supports creation from data CDs. I need to make copies of a set of discs that are Cantonese lessons. Any suggestions, anyone? TIA, Arthur _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Mon Nov 7 11:16:26 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 12:16:26 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Suggestions for a Utility to create ISOs from audio CDs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: ImgBurn is the one I settled on, too. Yes, I think you're right about ISODisk. A. On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 11:26 AM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > I generally use imgburn (http://www.imgburn.com/ )for all my ISO building > and burning needs. It appears that isodisk just has the abilty to mount an > iso as a drive and view the results just as you can scan a zip file before > opening it...is that correct? > > Jim > > From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Nov 7 11:20:10 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 09:20:10 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Why is IE6 still here? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1EAA4563139C47DB84E0037AB458BC75@creativesystemdesigns.com> IE6 has been the bane of most web developers for years and has cost companies collectively millions of dollars as extra fee that have to be charged every time IE6 has to be supported. So why does IE6 still exist? In one, word "Asia". See the link to the following article: http://www.troyhunt.com/2010/08/aye-pirates-be-reason-ie6-just-wont-die.html The one point that the article does not mention is that the current Windows adoptions, per package runs at about $400.00 (Interestingly, an OEM version is about $50 and sold with a computer sells for $400.00). All the countries that have not adopted the latest versions of Windows are doing so as the entrance fee for the product is somewhere around 6 months salary, for most of Asia or the price of a car or down payment on a house. Aside: I do wonder why the Asian market has not just abandoned Windows products and adopted Linux as the OS of choice as FireFox has become the world-wide browser of choice...but that is another question that I do not have any answers for. If anyone else has, any ideas I would love to hear them. Jim From jon.tydda at lonza.com Mon Nov 7 11:25:41 2011 From: jon.tydda at lonza.com (Tydda Jon - Slough) Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 18:25:41 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Why is IE6 still here? In-Reply-To: <1EAA4563139C47DB84E0037AB458BC75@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <1EAA4563139C47DB84E0037AB458BC75@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: Because it's harder to sell fake copies of Linux? :-P Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: 07 November 2011 17:20 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Why is IE6 still here? IE6 has been the bane of most web developers for years and has cost companies collectively millions of dollars as extra fee that have to be charged every time IE6 has to be supported. So why does IE6 still exist? In one, word "Asia". See the link to the following article: http://www.troyhunt.com/2010/08/aye-pirates-be-reason-ie6-just-wont-die.html The one point that the article does not mention is that the current Windows adoptions, per package runs at about $400.00 (Interestingly, an OEM version is about $50 and sold with a computer sells for $400.00). All the countries that have not adopted the latest versions of Windows are doing so as the entrance fee for the product is somewhere around 6 months salary, for most of Asia or the price of a car or down payment on a house. Aside: I do wonder why the Asian market has not just abandoned Windows products and adopted Linux as the OS of choice as FireFox has become the world-wide browser of choice...but that is another question that I do not have any answers for. If anyone else has, any ideas I would love to hear them. Jim _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com This communication and its attachments, if any, may contain confidential and privileged information the use of which by other persons or entities than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you receive this transmission in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete the material from your system. From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Nov 7 11:48:42 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 09:48:42 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Why is IE6 still here? In-Reply-To: References: <1EAA4563139C47DB84E0037AB458BC75@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <81A45E5268544300AACF7721EE1E7458@creativesystemdesigns.com> It sure is as they cost nothing but an investment in time. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tydda Jon - Slough Sent: Monday, November 07, 2011 9:26 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Why is IE6 still here? Because it's harder to sell fake copies of Linux? :-P Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: 07 November 2011 17:20 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Why is IE6 still here? IE6 has been the bane of most web developers for years and has cost companies collectively millions of dollars as extra fee that have to be charged every time IE6 has to be supported. So why does IE6 still exist? In one, word "Asia". See the link to the following article: http://www.troyhunt.com/2010/08/aye-pirates-be-reason-ie6-just-wont-die.html The one point that the article does not mention is that the current Windows adoptions, per package runs at about $400.00 (Interestingly, an OEM version is about $50 and sold with a computer sells for $400.00). All the countries that have not adopted the latest versions of Windows are doing so as the entrance fee for the product is somewhere around 6 months salary, for most of Asia or the price of a car or down payment on a house. Aside: I do wonder why the Asian market has not just abandoned Windows products and adopted Linux as the OS of choice as FireFox has become the world-wide browser of choice...but that is another question that I do not have any answers for. If anyone else has, any ideas I would love to hear them. Jim _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com This communication and its attachments, if any, may contain confidential and privileged information the use of which by other persons or entities than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you receive this transmission in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete the material from your system. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Mon Nov 7 15:03:26 2011 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Tue, 08 Nov 2011 07:03:26 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Why is IE6 still here? In-Reply-To: References: , <1EAA4563139C47DB84E0037AB458BC75@creativesystemdesigns.com>, Message-ID: <4EB8479E.23042.18F03A83@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Here, buy this cheap copy of Windows... Now, I've also got a list of hundreds of commercial windows packages here plus lots of games all of which run on the Windows you just bought. How many of these would you like to buy as well :-) -- Stuart On 7 Nov 2011 at 18:25, Tydda Jon - Slough wrote: > Because it's harder to sell fake copies of Linux? :-P > > > Jon > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim > Lawrence Sent: 07 November 2011 17:20 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and > Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Why is IE6 still here? > > IE6 has been the bane of most web developers for years and has cost > companies collectively millions of dollars as extra fee that have to > be charged every time IE6 has to be supported. > > So why does IE6 still exist? In one, word "Asia". > > See the link to the following article: > http://www.troyhunt.com/2010/08/aye-pirates-be-reason-ie6-just-wont-di > e.html > > The one point that the article does not mention is that the current > Windows adoptions, per package runs at about $400.00 (Interestingly, > an OEM version is about $50 and sold with a computer sells for > $400.00). All the countries that have not adopted the latest versions > of Windows are doing so as the entrance fee for the product is > somewhere around 6 months salary, for most of Asia or the price of a > car or down payment on a house. > > Aside: I do wonder why the Asian market has not just abandoned Windows > products and adopted Linux as the OS of choice as FireFox has become > the world-wide browser of choice...but that is another question that I > do not have any answers for. If anyone else has, any ideas I would > love to hear them. > > Jim > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > This communication and its attachments, if any, may contain > confidential and privileged information the use of which by other > persons or entities than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you > receive this transmission in error, please contact the sender > immediately and delete the material from your system. > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From fuller.artful at gmail.com Tue Nov 8 10:47:26 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 11:47:26 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Laser Puts New Spin on Light Message-ID: This from physicsworld: Laser puts a new spin on light Nov 7, 2011 A new type of pulsed laser that modulates the polarization of its emitted light very rapidly has been created by researchers in Germany and Scotland. The polarization modulation occurs much faster than the intensity modulation normally used in optical telecoms systems ? and the resulting polarization pulses could increase dramatically the speed of fibre-optic communications. [image: Schematic diagram showing spin-polarized electrons in a laser] Spin boosts laser Modern telecoms systems encode information in pulses of laser light that are then sent along optical fibres. This is an incredibly efficient method of transmitting information, but its speed is ultimately limited by the rate at which the intensity of the laser can be modulated, since this dictates how long it takes to encode data into a train of pulses. With a traditional, intensity-modulated laser, the maximum achievable modulation rate is about 40 GHz. Now Nils Gerhardt and colleagues at the Ruhr-Universitat Bochum, together with a colleague at the University of Strathclyde in Glasgow, have worked out a way to use electron spin to boost the modulation speed of a semiconductor laser ? something that physicists have been working on for several years. Lowering the energy threshold In a standard semiconductor laser there are equal numbers of spin-up and spin-down electrons, so spin plays no part in its operation. However, physicists know that if the relative proportion of charge carriers in either spin state can be increased, this lowers the amount of energy that must be put into the laser before it starts emitting light ? called the lasing threshold. But sustaining this spin imbalance ? or polarization ? at room temperature has proven extremely difficult because thermal energy will randomize the spin in a few picoseconds. So Gerhardt and colleagues created waves of spin polarization in the semiconductor by blasting it with very short pulses of polarized light from another laser. While the electrons themselves still lose their spin polarization rapidly, some is passed on to photons, which then re-polarize the charge carriers. Such spin oscillations between photons and electrons last about 200 times longer than the electron spin polarization itself. And there was a more interesting feature to the Bochum group's laser. In contrast to the light from a standard semiconductor laser, which has no net polarization, the polarization of the light oscillated rapidly because of the coupling of the photon spins with the electron spins. While this switching had been demonstrated before, the polarization modulation rate had always been pegged to the intensity modulation rate. To 100 GHz and beyond Gerhardt and colleagues used their technique to modulate the polarization of the light from a 4 GHz laser at 11.6 GHz. This is still slower than state-of-the-art intensity-modulated lasers, but the researchers believe that it should be possible to improve on this. "Principally, you can go to over 100 GHz," explained Gerhardt. "We've shown it theoretically, but first we have to develop a device and that's what we're currently doing." Physicist Igor Zutic of the State University of New York at Buffalo is impressed. "I would say this is a very exciting proof of principle and probably showing us the tip of the iceberg of what may be possible with these spin lasers," he says. However, Zutic and Gerhardt both agree that before such a spin laser can be commercially viable, it must be possible to excite the spin oscillations without another laser. This would involve injecting spin-polarized electrons into the laser ? a process so far realized only at cryogenic temperatures. "Some of the advances that are now pursued in very different areas ? such as magnetic hard drives and magnetic random-access memory ? are based on better magnets and better methods of electrical spin injection," concludes Zutic. "A broader view of these developments may allow useful transfer of knowledge." The work is described in *Appl. Phys. Lett.* *99* 151107 . Arthur -- Cell: 647.710.1314 Thirty spokes converge on a hub but it's the emptiness that makes a wheel work -- from the Daodejing From accessd at shaw.ca Tue Nov 8 17:05:09 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 15:05:09 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Why is IE6 still here? In-Reply-To: <4EB8479E.23042.18F03A83@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <1EAA4563139C47DB84E0037AB458BC75@creativesystemdesigns.com> <4EB8479E.23042.18F03A83@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: Personally, I do not play any games. It is not that I do not like them, or do not think the graphics in them is sometimes magnificent; it is just that it is just another addiction that I wish to avoid. ;-) Besides most of the best games are now being delieved through the web. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Monday, November 07, 2011 1:03 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Why is IE6 still here? Here, buy this cheap copy of Windows... Now, I've also got a list of hundreds of commercial windows packages here plus lots of games all of which run on the Windows you just bought. How many of these would you like to buy as well :-) -- Stuart On 7 Nov 2011 at 18:25, Tydda Jon - Slough wrote: > Because it's harder to sell fake copies of Linux? :-P > > > Jon > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim > Lawrence Sent: 07 November 2011 17:20 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and > Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Why is IE6 still here? > > IE6 has been the bane of most web developers for years and has cost > companies collectively millions of dollars as extra fee that have to > be charged every time IE6 has to be supported. > > So why does IE6 still exist? In one, word "Asia". > > See the link to the following article: > http://www.troyhunt.com/2010/08/aye-pirates-be-reason-ie6-just-wont-di > e.html > > The one point that the article does not mention is that the current > Windows adoptions, per package runs at about $400.00 (Interestingly, > an OEM version is about $50 and sold with a computer sells for > $400.00). All the countries that have not adopted the latest versions > of Windows are doing so as the entrance fee for the product is > somewhere around 6 months salary, for most of Asia or the price of a > car or down payment on a house. > > Aside: I do wonder why the Asian market has not just abandoned Windows > products and adopted Linux as the OS of choice as FireFox has become > the world-wide browser of choice...but that is another question that I > do not have any answers for. If anyone else has, any ideas I would > love to hear them. > > Jim > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > This communication and its attachments, if any, may contain > confidential and privileged information the use of which by other > persons or entities than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you > receive this transmission in error, please contact the sender > immediately and delete the material from your system. > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Tue Nov 8 17:15:22 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 15:15:22 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Laser Puts New Spin on Light In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I can hardly wait for this type of communications to be delivered to all residents. When I can just drag and drop a 500GB file, from a friend, in say some remote corner of the planet like PNG and just drop the file to another friend living in some place in Splitlip, Saskatchewan and the response is similar to the speed you would experience moving a file for one spot on a drive to a another place on the same drive, we are not done yet. ;-) Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 8:47 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Laser Puts New Spin on Light This from physicsworld: Laser puts a new spin on light Nov 7, 2011 A new type of pulsed laser that modulates the polarization of its emitted light very rapidly has been created by researchers in Germany and Scotland. The polarization modulation occurs much faster than the intensity modulation normally used in optical telecoms systems - and the resulting polarization pulses could increase dramatically the speed of fibre-optic communications. [image: Schematic diagram showing spin-polarized electrons in a laser] Spin boosts laser Modern telecoms systems encode information in pulses of laser light that are then sent along optical fibres. This is an incredibly efficient method of transmitting information, but its speed is ultimately limited by the rate at which the intensity of the laser can be modulated, since this dictates how long it takes to encode data into a train of pulses. With a traditional, intensity-modulated laser, the maximum achievable modulation rate is about 40 GHz. Now Nils Gerhardt and colleagues at the Ruhr-Universitat Bochum, together with a colleague at the University of Strathclyde in Glasgow, have worked out a way to use electron spin to boost the modulation speed of a semiconductor laser - something that physicists have been working on for several years. Lowering the energy threshold In a standard semiconductor laser there are equal numbers of spin-up and spin-down electrons, so spin plays no part in its operation. However, physicists know that if the relative proportion of charge carriers in either spin state can be increased, this lowers the amount of energy that must be put into the laser before it starts emitting light - called the lasing threshold. But sustaining this spin imbalance - or polarization - at room temperature has proven extremely difficult because thermal energy will randomize the spin in a few picoseconds. So Gerhardt and colleagues created waves of spin polarization in the semiconductor by blasting it with very short pulses of polarized light from another laser. While the electrons themselves still lose their spin polarization rapidly, some is passed on to photons, which then re-polarize the charge carriers. Such spin oscillations between photons and electrons last about 200 times longer than the electron spin polarization itself. And there was a more interesting feature to the Bochum group's laser. In contrast to the light from a standard semiconductor laser, which has no net polarization, the polarization of the light oscillated rapidly because of the coupling of the photon spins with the electron spins. While this switching had been demonstrated before, the polarization modulation rate had always been pegged to the intensity modulation rate. To 100 GHz and beyond Gerhardt and colleagues used their technique to modulate the polarization of the light from a 4 GHz laser at 11.6 GHz. This is still slower than state-of-the-art intensity-modulated lasers, but the researchers believe that it should be possible to improve on this. "Principally, you can go to over 100 GHz," explained Gerhardt. "We've shown it theoretically, but first we have to develop a device and that's what we're currently doing." Physicist Igor Zutic of the State University of New York at Buffalo is impressed. "I would say this is a very exciting proof of principle and probably showing us the tip of the iceberg of what may be possible with these spin lasers," he says. However, Zutic and Gerhardt both agree that before such a spin laser can be commercially viable, it must be possible to excite the spin oscillations without another laser. This would involve injecting spin-polarized electrons into the laser - a process so far realized only at cryogenic temperatures. "Some of the advances that are now pursued in very different areas - such as magnetic hard drives and magnetic random-access memory - are based on better magnets and better methods of electrical spin injection," concludes Zutic. "A broader view of these developments may allow useful transfer of knowledge." The work is described in *Appl. Phys. Lett.* *99* 151107 . Arthur -- Cell: 647.710.1314 Thirty spokes converge on a hub but it's the emptiness that makes a wheel work -- from the Daodejing _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Tue Nov 8 17:31:03 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 18:31:03 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Laser Puts New Spin on Light In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: You wouldn't even have time to find it scary. A. On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 6:15 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > I can hardly wait for this type of communications to be delivered to all > residents. > > When I can just drag and drop a 500GB file, from a friend, in say some > remote corner of the planet like PNG and just drop the file to another > friend living in some place in Splitlip, Saskatchewan and the response is > similar to the speed you would experience moving a file for one spot on a > drive to a another place on the same drive, we are not done yet. ;-) > > Jim > > From hans.andersen at phulse.com Tue Nov 8 18:07:27 2011 From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen) Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 16:07:27 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Why is IE6 still here? In-Reply-To: References: <1EAA4563139C47DB84E0037AB458BC75@creativesystemdesigns.com> <4EB8479E.23042.18F03A83@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: Hi Jim, From personal experience, I can tell you that in probably most places in Asia you can walk into any IT shop and buy a DVD that contains a copy of Windows, several software packages like Photoshop etc, and a few fun games all for the price of $20 or less. Then you need to factor in Windows Genuine Advantage (therefore, no Windows Updates). Saying that, it wouldn't be a whole lot different here, if it weren't for the enforcement of the Windows tax into the price of buying new hardware. A hilarious case in point: You can even find fake Apple stores -> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-14503724 - Hans On 2011-11-08, at 3:05 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Personally, I do not play any games. > > It is not that I do not like them, or do not think the graphics in them is > sometimes magnificent; it is just that it is just another addiction that I > wish to avoid. ;-) > > Besides most of the best games are now being delieved through the web. > > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan > Sent: Monday, November 07, 2011 1:03 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Why is IE6 still here? > > Here, buy this cheap copy of Windows... > > Now, I've also got a list of hundreds of commercial windows packages here > plus lots of > games all of which run on the Windows you just bought. How many of these > would you like to > buy as well :-) > > > -- > Stuart > > On 7 Nov 2011 at 18:25, Tydda Jon - Slough wrote: > >> Because it's harder to sell fake copies of Linux? :-P >> >> >> Jon >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim >> Lawrence Sent: 07 November 2011 17:20 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and >> Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Why is IE6 still here? >> >> IE6 has been the bane of most web developers for years and has cost >> companies collectively millions of dollars as extra fee that have to >> be charged every time IE6 has to be supported. >> >> So why does IE6 still exist? In one, word "Asia". >> >> See the link to the following article: >> http://www.troyhunt.com/2010/08/aye-pirates-be-reason-ie6-just-wont-di >> e.html >> >> The one point that the article does not mention is that the current >> Windows adoptions, per package runs at about $400.00 (Interestingly, >> an OEM version is about $50 and sold with a computer sells for >> $400.00). All the countries that have not adopted the latest versions >> of Windows are doing so as the entrance fee for the product is >> somewhere around 6 months salary, for most of Asia or the price of a >> car or down payment on a house. >> >> Aside: I do wonder why the Asian market has not just abandoned Windows >> products and adopted Linux as the OS of choice as FireFox has become >> the world-wide browser of choice...but that is another question that I >> do not have any answers for. If anyone else has, any ideas I would >> love to hear them. >> >> Jim >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> This communication and its attachments, if any, may contain >> confidential and privileged information the use of which by other >> persons or entities than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you >> receive this transmission in error, please contact the sender >> immediately and delete the material from your system. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Tue Nov 8 18:18:58 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 16:18:58 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Why is IE6 still here? In-Reply-To: References: <1EAA4563139C47DB84E0037AB458BC75@creativesystemdesigns.com> <4EB8479E.23042.18F03A83@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: Hi Hans: As if, we didn't see that coming or suspect it. After all, the companies that make the Apple products are right there and who knows what slips out the back door for the right price. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hans-Christian Andersen Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 4:07 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Why is IE6 still here? Hi Jim, >From personal experience, I can tell you that in probably most places in Asia you can walk into any IT shop and buy a DVD that contains a copy of Windows, several software packages like Photoshop etc, and a few fun games all for the price of $20 or less. Then you need to factor in Windows Genuine Advantage (therefore, no Windows Updates). Saying that, it wouldn't be a whole lot different here, if it weren't for the enforcement of the Windows tax into the price of buying new hardware. A hilarious case in point: You can even find fake Apple stores -> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-14503724 - Hans On 2011-11-08, at 3:05 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Personally, I do not play any games. > > It is not that I do not like them, or do not think the graphics in them is > sometimes magnificent; it is just that it is just another addiction that I > wish to avoid. ;-) > > Besides most of the best games are now being delieved through the web. > > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan > Sent: Monday, November 07, 2011 1:03 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Why is IE6 still here? > > Here, buy this cheap copy of Windows... > > Now, I've also got a list of hundreds of commercial windows packages here > plus lots of > games all of which run on the Windows you just bought. How many of these > would you like to > buy as well :-) > > > -- > Stuart > > On 7 Nov 2011 at 18:25, Tydda Jon - Slough wrote: > >> Because it's harder to sell fake copies of Linux? :-P >> >> >> Jon >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim >> Lawrence Sent: 07 November 2011 17:20 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and >> Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Why is IE6 still here? >> >> IE6 has been the bane of most web developers for years and has cost >> companies collectively millions of dollars as extra fee that have to >> be charged every time IE6 has to be supported. >> >> So why does IE6 still exist? In one, word "Asia". >> >> See the link to the following article: >> http://www.troyhunt.com/2010/08/aye-pirates-be-reason-ie6-just-wont-di >> e.html >> >> The one point that the article does not mention is that the current >> Windows adoptions, per package runs at about $400.00 (Interestingly, >> an OEM version is about $50 and sold with a computer sells for >> $400.00). All the countries that have not adopted the latest versions >> of Windows are doing so as the entrance fee for the product is >> somewhere around 6 months salary, for most of Asia or the price of a >> car or down payment on a house. >> >> Aside: I do wonder why the Asian market has not just abandoned Windows >> products and adopted Linux as the OS of choice as FireFox has become >> the world-wide browser of choice...but that is another question that I >> do not have any answers for. If anyone else has, any ideas I would >> love to hear them. >> >> Jim >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> This communication and its attachments, if any, may contain >> confidential and privileged information the use of which by other >> persons or entities than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you >> receive this transmission in error, please contact the sender >> immediately and delete the material from your system. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From hans.andersen at phulse.com Tue Nov 8 18:24:59 2011 From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen) Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 16:24:59 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Why is IE6 still here? In-Reply-To: References: <1EAA4563139C47DB84E0037AB458BC75@creativesystemdesigns.com> <4EB8479E.23042.18F03A83@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <3D5DF366-2350-4A9A-9367-3707B8DE0559@phulse.com> That's nothing new. Whats hilarious is that they went to the extent of copying the Apple store. The layout, colour, logo, wearing blue shirts and the id cards? everything. You would think it was a real Apple store. Except it isn't. There are more pictures here: http://www.psfk.com/2011/07/china-fakes-an-entire-apple-store-pics.html One blogger noted that she began to think that even the employees there were under the belief they worked for Apple Corp. - Hans On 2011-11-08, at 4:18 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Hi Hans: > > As if, we didn't see that coming or suspect it. After all, the companies > that make the Apple products are right there and who knows what slips out > the back door for the right price. > > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hans-Christian > Andersen > Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 4:07 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Why is IE6 still here? > > > Hi Jim, > > From personal experience, I can tell you that in probably most places in > Asia you can walk into any IT shop and buy a DVD that contains a copy of > Windows, several software packages like Photoshop etc, and a few fun games > all for the price of $20 or less. Then you need to factor in Windows Genuine > Advantage (therefore, no Windows Updates). > > Saying that, it wouldn't be a whole lot different here, if it weren't for > the enforcement of the Windows tax into the price of buying new hardware. > > A hilarious case in point: You can even find fake Apple stores -> > http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-14503724 > > > - Hans > > > On 2011-11-08, at 3:05 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > >> Personally, I do not play any games. >> >> It is not that I do not like them, or do not think the graphics in them is >> sometimes magnificent; it is just that it is just another addiction that I >> wish to avoid. ;-) >> >> Besides most of the best games are now being delieved through the web. >> >> Jim >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart > McLachlan >> Sent: Monday, November 07, 2011 1:03 PM >> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues >> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Why is IE6 still here? >> >> Here, buy this cheap copy of Windows... >> >> Now, I've also got a list of hundreds of commercial windows packages here >> plus lots of >> games all of which run on the Windows you just bought. How many of these >> would you like to >> buy as well :-) >> >> >> -- >> Stuart >> >> On 7 Nov 2011 at 18:25, Tydda Jon - Slough wrote: >> >>> Because it's harder to sell fake copies of Linux? :-P >>> >>> >>> Jon >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim >>> Lawrence Sent: 07 November 2011 17:20 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and >>> Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Why is IE6 still here? >>> >>> IE6 has been the bane of most web developers for years and has cost >>> companies collectively millions of dollars as extra fee that have to >>> be charged every time IE6 has to be supported. >>> >>> So why does IE6 still exist? In one, word "Asia". >>> >>> See the link to the following article: >>> http://www.troyhunt.com/2010/08/aye-pirates-be-reason-ie6-just-wont-di >>> e.html >>> >>> The one point that the article does not mention is that the current >>> Windows adoptions, per package runs at about $400.00 (Interestingly, >>> an OEM version is about $50 and sold with a computer sells for >>> $400.00). All the countries that have not adopted the latest versions >>> of Windows are doing so as the entrance fee for the product is >>> somewhere around 6 months salary, for most of Asia or the price of a >>> car or down payment on a house. >>> >>> Aside: I do wonder why the Asian market has not just abandoned Windows >>> products and adopted Linux as the OS of choice as FireFox has become >>> the world-wide browser of choice...but that is another question that I >>> do not have any answers for. If anyone else has, any ideas I would >>> love to hear them. >>> >>> Jim >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> dba-Tech mailing list >>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>> >>> This communication and its attachments, if any, may contain >>> confidential and privileged information the use of which by other >>> persons or entities than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you >>> receive this transmission in error, please contact the sender >>> immediately and delete the material from your system. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> dba-Tech mailing list >>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Wed Nov 9 03:42:08 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 04:42:08 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Bill Gates explains his support of a Tobin tax Message-ID: See this interview with BBC: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-15565963 -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Thirty spokes converge on a hub but it's the emptiness that makes a wheel work -- from the Daodejing From fuller.artful at gmail.com Wed Nov 9 03:51:17 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 04:51:17 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Hate to be on this cleanup crew Message-ID: >From slashdot: Soon the loud passenger who's had too much to drink on your red-eye flight will be the least of your travel worries. Ryanair Airlines chief Michael O'Leary plans to launch an app that will allow passengers to watch porn on their tablets and smartphones during flight. Mr O'Leary told the Sun: "I'm not talking about having it on screens on the back of seats for everyone to see. It would be on handheld devices. Hotels around the world have it, so why wouldn't we?" Best of all, the app could also be used to gamble or play games in case you got bored during the speaking parts of your in-flight adult movie. -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Thirty spokes converge on a hub but it's the emptiness that makes a wheel work -- from the Daodejing From accessd at shaw.ca Wed Nov 9 10:14:43 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 08:14:43 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] the IT market In-Reply-To: <4EB067CB.7080100@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4EB04C35.4010201@colbyconsulting.com> <4EB065BF.29082.9E6B0FA@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <4EB067CB.7080100@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <3A1BA62CC701425080FC90220A0FC274@creativesystemdesigns.com> As the IT, market is dramatically, changing the people here now have a chance to grade their current endeavors. http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/career/grade-your-job-it-programmer/3622?ta g=nl.e101 Jim From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sat Nov 12 06:27:54 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 07:27:54 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Country Regions Message-ID: I already have the ISO list of countries. I would now like a list of CountryRegions (thereby sidestepping the issue of whether we call them States or Provinces or Cantons, etc.). Does anyone know of such a list and if so, a download URL? -- Cell: 647.710.1314 Thirty spokes converge on a hub but it's the emptiness that makes a wheel work -- from the Daodejing From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sat Nov 12 10:48:30 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 11:48:30 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Seeking graphics-skilled person Message-ID: CBC is running a contest for a new logo. I have what I think is a great idea, but am totally without graphic skills. What I have in mind is an animated graphic that takes about 4 seconds to unfold. Other than beginning image, nothing else external is required; from there on in, it's strictly (I think) manipulation of the initial image. There's $5K at stake in this contest. There's no second-place, it's winner take all. I have the concept and a 30-year-old familiarity with CBC radio, to the point where I never change channels. That is part of the reason I would love to win this contest. But to realize my vision, I need a partner who knows her/his way around graphics and animation. If you're interested, please contact me off-list and I can show/tell you what I have in mind. I don't think it's terribly difficult to do, but embedded as I am in the world of databases, I have no idea about what tools are available to the graphically-inclined. Chances are, it might result in a waste of your time. On the other hand, should we win, there's $5K to the winner. -- A. Cell: 647.710.1314 Thirty spokes converge on a hub but it's the emptiness that makes a wheel work -- from the Daodejing From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sat Nov 12 14:34:47 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 15:34:47 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Careful now! Message-ID: This from BBC News (indirectly)... Times of India Men who have sex with animals are twice as likely to develop cancer of the penis, a new study has found. A team of urologists from centres around Brazil looked at risk factors for penile cancer in men and conducted a study on 492 men ranging in age ... And so on. Who would have thunk it, that you could find 492 men who'd admit to having sex with animals? I think I need to move to another planet. This one is too forkin' weird. -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Thirty spokes converge on a hub but it's the emptiness that makes a wheel work -- from the Daodejing From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Sat Nov 12 15:36:30 2011 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2011 07:36:30 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Careful now! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4EBEE6DE.13743.13EC021A@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> You had me intrigued by your interpretation of the the statistic so I binged it (I refuse to use google any more because of the way they have started "gaming" search results0. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/45206258/ns/health-mens_health/t/sex-animals-linked-penis-c ancer/ 462 men from rural Brazil who attended a urology and oncology clinic. Included both penile cancer patients and healthy men. 118 had cancer, so 344 did not. 45% of cancer patients admitted to SWA = 53 32% of non cancer patients did = 110 So that's 163 who admitted it, not 462. But it's still 35% of the sample population and one of researchers said he was not surprised by that percentage! On 12 Nov 2011 at 15:34, Arthur Fuller wrote: > This from BBC News (indirectly)... > > Times of India > Men who have sex with animals are twice as likely to develop cancer of the > penis, a new study has found. A team of urologists from centres around > Brazil looked at risk factors for penile cancer in men and conducted a > study on 492 men ranging in age ... > > And so on. Who would have thunk it, that you could find 492 men who'd admit > to having sex with animals? > > I think I need to move to another planet. This one is too forkin' weird. > From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sat Nov 12 16:11:25 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 17:11:25 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Careful now! In-Reply-To: <4EBEE6DE.13743.13EC021A@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <4EBEE6DE.13743.13EC021A@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: The whopping stat is that so many men have admitted to having sex with animals. To be fair, a couple of women in my life have been rather randy, but I would hesitate to call them animals, so we are left with the other (presumably mammalian) species. I have not forked any other species than homo-sapiens, so far, anyway, but that little red squirrel is Hot LOL. Nah, I just don't think it's in my gene pool. I'm capable of straying, but not that far. A. On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 4:36 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote: > You had me intrigued by your interpretation of the the statistic so I > binged it (I refuse to use > google any more because of the way they have started "gaming" search > results0. > > > From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Sat Nov 12 16:30:39 2011 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 14:30:39 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Careful now! In-Reply-To: References: <4EBEE6DE.13743.13EC021A@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: Inanimate objects? (OK-it's the weekend...) R -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2011 2:11 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Careful now! The whopping stat is that so many men have admitted to having sex with animals. To be fair, a couple of women in my life have been rather randy, but I would hesitate to call them animals, so we are left with the other (presumably mammalian) species. I have not forked any other species than homo-sapiens, so far, anyway, but that little red squirrel is Hot LOL. Nah, I just don't think it's in my gene pool. I'm capable of straying, but not that far. A. On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 4:36 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote: > You had me intrigued by your interpretation of the the statistic so I > binged it (I refuse to use google any more because of the way they > have started "gaming" search results0. > > > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From john at winhaven.net Sat Nov 12 21:56:49 2011 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 21:56:49 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Careful now! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <006b01cca1b8$45625b70$d0271250$@winhaven.net> How ironic, I just got this in an email. I don't know if it's true or not though: CONDOM HISTORY: In 1272 the Arabic Muslims invented the condom, using a goat's lower intestine. In 1873 the British somewhat refined the idea by taking the intestine out of the goat first. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2011 2:35 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Careful now! This from BBC News (indirectly)... Times of India Men who have sex with animals are twice as likely to develop cancer of the penis, a new study has found. A team of urologists from centres around Brazil looked at risk factors for penile cancer in men and conducted a study on 492 men ranging in age ... And so on. Who would have thunk it, that you could find 492 men who'd admit to having sex with animals? I think I need to move to another planet. This one is too forkin' weird. -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Thirty spokes converge on a hub but it's the emptiness that makes a wheel work -- from the Daodejing _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sat Nov 12 22:17:53 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 23:17:53 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Bar-code scanner Message-ID: My friend Douglas is looking for a hand-held bar-code scanner. It's a non-commercial application. He is a serious wine collector with a cellar containing about 4K bottles (seriously, and that estimate may be on the light side). He wants to scan all the available bar-codes and then hook up said scanner to the db I built for him, and ultimately we'd like to hook to some wine-database on the Net so we can grab all the info via the bar-code. I have a program called "ANT Movie Catalog" that does this for movies: type in the title and it reaches out to the Net and grabs the info for the selected movie (producer, director, author, year-released, etc.). Incidentally, this program is free and it is a wonderful creation. I would like to do the same for wine-collectors. I am not one of these; my problem is that whenever I purchase a bottle I immediately consume it. My friend overcomes this by buying cases not individual bottles. Anyway, he has several thousand bottles and has been duly recording them in a series of XL worksheets. I have imported all his recorded data into an Access db, but a bunch of useful info is lacking. I want to do this: a) scan the bar-codes b) reach out to the Net and obtain the useful data (Country, Region, Vintage, etc.) c) upsert the data into the Access table. This is a non-profit operation, so any free avenues are invaluable, so to speak. Any suggestions are most welcome. Beginning with the hardware: a hand-held bar-code scanner that can read the labels on his wine-bottles; reaching out to the Net for further info is Step Two. Can anyone recommend a hand-held bar-code scanner that hooks up to a desktop once he returns from the wine-cellar, having scanned numerous bottles? Incidentally, I cannot praise ANT Movie Catalog enough. It is a superb program, and should you happen to be a compulsive collector (as I am) of DVD movies, this is a program that you need; and it's free! I want to do what he has done, but for wines rather than movies. Any ideas, suggestions, etc. are most welcome. -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Thirty spokes converge on a hub but it's the emptiness that makes a wheel work -- from the Daodejing From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sun Nov 13 08:30:44 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2011 09:30:44 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Robots play table tennis Message-ID: This is priceless. For everything else it's MasterCard (or something)... http://www.i-programmer.info/news/169-robotics/3223-ping-pong-robots.html -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Thirty spokes converge on a hub but it's the emptiness that makes a wheel work -- from the Daodejing From fuller.artful at gmail.com Mon Nov 14 02:43:10 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 03:43:10 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] One more day Message-ID: In one day I'll turn 64, so please send lawyers, guns and money! Sheesh, time flies like an arrow, and flies love a banana. Tunderin' Jaysus, one minute a Young Turk and the next an Old Fart. Ah, well. Life goes on and off (the Ruby on Rails). -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Thirty spokes converge on a hub but it's the emptiness that makes a wheel work -- from the Daodejing From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk Mon Nov 14 02:59:39 2011 From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid) Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 08:59:39 +0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] One more day Message-ID: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB082957B97A7856F@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk> Happy early birthday Arthur. 51 soon myself and being 18 seems like yesterday I think mentally I still am stuck at about that age. Martin Sent from my Windows Phone ________________________________ From: Arthur Fuller Sent: 14/11/2011 08:43 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] One more day In one day I'll turn 64, so please send lawyers, guns and money! Sheesh, time flies like an arrow, and flies love a banana. Tunderin' Jaysus, one minute a Young Turk and the next an Old Fart. Ah, well. Life goes on and off (the Ruby on Rails). -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Thirty spokes converge on a hub but it's the emptiness that makes a wheel work -- from the Daodejing _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Mon Nov 14 03:11:17 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 04:11:17 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] One more day In-Reply-To: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB082957B97A7856F@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk> References: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB082957B97A7856F@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk> Message-ID: Which undoubtedly means that every spring chicken arouses you. Enjoy it while it lasts. On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 3:59 AM, Martin Reid wrote: > Happy early birthday Arthur. 51 soon myself and being 18 seems like > yesterday I think mentally I still am stuck at about that age. > > Martin > > From poc231st at hotmail.com Mon Nov 14 06:34:45 2011 From: poc231st at hotmail.com (Patti OConnor) Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 07:34:45 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] One more day In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Happy Birthday Arthur - have a great day enjoy yourself thanks for all your help over the years Patricia (Patti) O'Connor On 11/14/2011 03:43 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > In one day I'll turn 64, so please send lawyers, guns and money! Sheesh, > time flies like an arrow, and flies love a banana. Tunderin' Jaysus, one > minute a Young Turk and the next an Old Fart. Ah, well. Life goes on and > off (the Ruby on Rails). > From ssharkins at gmail.com Mon Nov 14 06:52:52 2011 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 07:52:52 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] One more day References: Message-ID: Happy Birthday old fart! ;) Susan H. > In one day I'll turn 64, so please send lawyers, guns and money! Sheesh, > time flies like an arrow, and flies love a banana. Tunderin' Jaysus, one > minute a Young Turk and the next an Old Fart. Ah, well. Life goes on and > off (the Ruby on Rails). > From fuller.artful at gmail.com Mon Nov 14 07:16:26 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 08:16:26 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] One more day In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks, you young Turks! On this ponderous day, my last at 63, several questions continue to vex me: 1. Why all the emphasis on searching for intelligent life in the universe? What about non-itelligent life? Why set the bar so high? 2. How come there are no non-food banks? Poor people need other things besides food, you know -- detergent, shoe polish, pencil sharpeners. The list goes on. 3. Is it really true that every non-prime number is the product of two primes? 4. Is it really true that the summed digits of every multiple of 9 equal 9? (e.g. 9 x 10 = 99, 9+9=18, 1+8 =9)? 5. Is the real reason nobody's come up with a cure for psoriasis that it's more profitable to sell me ointments? So much to think about in my twilight years :) A. On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 7:52 AM, Susan Harkins wrote: > Happy Birthday old fart! ;) > Susan H. > > In one day I'll turn 64, so please send lawyers, guns and money! Sheesh, >> time flies like an arrow, and flies love a banana. Tunderin' Jaysus, one >> minute a Young Turk and the next an Old Fart. Ah, well. Life goes on and >> off (the Ruby on Rails). >> >> > ______________________________**_________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com > -- Cell: 647.710.1314 Thirty spokes converge on a hub but it's the emptiness that makes a wheel work -- from the Daodejing From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Mon Nov 14 08:10:22 2011 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 06:10:22 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] One more day In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6C8CB1BCD6234B9AA7F7D0D8C119AB8B@HAL9007> Try to have a good time anyway. Remember, 64 is the...uh...new 63. Best Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Monday, November 14, 2011 12:43 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] One more day In one day I'll turn 64, so please send lawyers, guns and money! Sheesh, time flies like an arrow, and flies love a banana. Tunderin' Jaysus, one minute a Young Turk and the next an Old Fart. Ah, well. Life goes on and off (the Ruby on Rails). -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Thirty spokes converge on a hub but it's the emptiness that makes a wheel work -- from the Daodejing _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Mon Nov 14 08:17:57 2011 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 06:17:57 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] One more day In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: If you're driving a car at the speed of light and you turn on the headlights, does anything happen? R -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Monday, November 14, 2011 5:16 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] One more day Thanks, you young Turks! On this ponderous day, my last at 63, several questions continue to vex me: 1. Why all the emphasis on searching for intelligent life in the universe? What about non-itelligent life? Why set the bar so high? 2. How come there are no non-food banks? Poor people need other things besides food, you know -- detergent, shoe polish, pencil sharpeners. The list goes on. 3. Is it really true that every non-prime number is the product of two primes? 4. Is it really true that the summed digits of every multiple of 9 equal 9? (e.g. 9 x 10 = 99, 9+9=18, 1+8 =9)? 5. Is the real reason nobody's come up with a cure for psoriasis that it's more profitable to sell me ointments? So much to think about in my twilight years :) A. On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 7:52 AM, Susan Harkins wrote: > Happy Birthday old fart! ;) > Susan H. > > In one day I'll turn 64, so please send lawyers, guns and money! > Sheesh, >> time flies like an arrow, and flies love a banana. Tunderin' Jaysus, >> one minute a Young Turk and the next an Old Fart. Ah, well. Life goes >> on and off (the Ruby on Rails). >> >> > ______________________________**_________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/dba-tech eadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech> > Website: > http://www.databaseadvisors.**com > -- Cell: 647.710.1314 Thirty spokes converge on a hub but it's the emptiness that makes a wheel work -- from the Daodejing _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Mon Nov 14 08:19:13 2011 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 06:19:13 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] One more day In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7CF0002291654D90947265BB1BB51CA7@HAL9007> If nothing sticks to Teflon, how do they get it on the pan? R -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Monday, November 14, 2011 5:16 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] One more day Thanks, you young Turks! On this ponderous day, my last at 63, several questions continue to vex me: 1. Why all the emphasis on searching for intelligent life in the universe? What about non-itelligent life? Why set the bar so high? 2. How come there are no non-food banks? Poor people need other things besides food, you know -- detergent, shoe polish, pencil sharpeners. The list goes on. 3. Is it really true that every non-prime number is the product of two primes? 4. Is it really true that the summed digits of every multiple of 9 equal 9? (e.g. 9 x 10 = 99, 9+9=18, 1+8 =9)? 5. Is the real reason nobody's come up with a cure for psoriasis that it's more profitable to sell me ointments? So much to think about in my twilight years :) A. On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 7:52 AM, Susan Harkins wrote: > Happy Birthday old fart! ;) > Susan H. > > In one day I'll turn 64, so please send lawyers, guns and money! > Sheesh, >> time flies like an arrow, and flies love a banana. Tunderin' Jaysus, >> one minute a Young Turk and the next an Old Fart. Ah, well. Life goes >> on and off (the Ruby on Rails). >> >> > ______________________________**_________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/dba-tech eadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech> > Website: > http://www.databaseadvisors.**com > -- Cell: 647.710.1314 Thirty spokes converge on a hub but it's the emptiness that makes a wheel work -- from the Daodejing _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Mon Nov 14 08:23:12 2011 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 06:23:12 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] One more day In-Reply-To: <7CF0002291654D90947265BB1BB51CA7@HAL9007> References: <7CF0002291654D90947265BB1BB51CA7@HAL9007> Message-ID: Do they sterilize needles for lethal injections? If so, why? R -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Monday, November 14, 2011 5:16 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] One more day Thanks, you young Turks! On this ponderous day, my last at 63, several questions continue to vex me: 1. Why all the emphasis on searching for intelligent life in the universe? What about non-itelligent life? Why set the bar so high? 2. How come there are no non-food banks? Poor people need other things besides food, you know -- detergent, shoe polish, pencil sharpeners. The list goes on. 3. Is it really true that every non-prime number is the product of two primes? 4. Is it really true that the summed digits of every multiple of 9 equal 9? (e.g. 9 x 10 = 99, 9+9=18, 1+8 =9)? 5. Is the real reason nobody's come up with a cure for psoriasis that it's more profitable to sell me ointments? So much to think about in my twilight years :) A. On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 7:52 AM, Susan Harkins wrote: > Happy Birthday old fart! ;) > Susan H. > > In one day I'll turn 64, so please send lawyers, guns and money! > Sheesh, >> time flies like an arrow, and flies love a banana. Tunderin' Jaysus, >> one minute a Young Turk and the next an Old Fart. Ah, well. Life goes >> on and off (the Ruby on Rails). >> >> > ______________________________**_________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/dba-tech eadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech> > Website: > http://www.databaseadvisors.**com > -- Cell: 647.710.1314 Thirty spokes converge on a hub but it's the emptiness that makes a wheel work -- from the Daodejing _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From tinanfields at torchlake.com Mon Nov 14 08:35:16 2011 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 09:35:16 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] One more day In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4EC12724.9010606@torchlake.com> Well, happy birthday!!! I love birthdays. Remember to celebrate well and make wonderful memories. I'll lift a glass in your honor tomorrow. :-) T Tina Norris Fields tinanfields at torchlake.com 231-322-2787 On 11/14/2011 3:43 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > In one day I'll turn 64, so please send lawyers, guns and money! Sheesh, > time flies like an arrow, and flies love a banana. Tunderin' Jaysus, one > minute a Young Turk and the next an Old Fart. Ah, well. Life goes on and > off (the Ruby on Rails). > From fuller.artful at gmail.com Mon Nov 14 08:53:18 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 09:53:18 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] One more day In-Reply-To: <6C8CB1BCD6234B9AA7F7D0D8C119AB8B@HAL9007> References: <6C8CB1BCD6234B9AA7F7D0D8C119AB8B@HAL9007> Message-ID: LOL. The new 63. I like it. On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 9:10 AM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > Try to have a good time anyway. Remember, 64 is the...uh...new 63. > > Best > > Rocky > > From andy at minstersystems.co.uk Mon Nov 14 09:37:31 2011 From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andrew Lacey) Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 15:37:31 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [dba-Tech] One more day In-Reply-To: References: <7CF0002291654D90947265BB1BB51CA7@HAL9007> Message-ID: <1321069982.81888.1321285051510.JavaMail.open-xchange@email.1and1.co.uk ROTFL Love 'em Rocky. Got any more? ? Andy ? On 14 November 2011 at 14:23 Rocky Smolin wrote: >? > Do they sterilize needles for lethal injections?? If so, why? > > R >? > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller > Sent: Monday, November 14, 2011 5:16 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] One more day > > Thanks, you young Turks! > On this ponderous day, my last at 63, several questions continue to vex me: > > 1. Why all the emphasis on searching for intelligent life in the universe? > What about non-itelligent life? Why set the bar so high? > 2. How come there are no non-food banks? Poor people need other things > besides food, you know -- detergent, shoe polish, pencil sharpeners. The > list goes on. > 3. Is it really true that every non-prime number is the product of two > primes? > 4. Is it really true that the summed digits of every multiple of 9 equal 9? > (e.g. 9 x 10 = 99, 9+9=18, 1+8 =9)? > 5. Is the real reason nobody's come up with a cure for psoriasis that it's > more profitable to sell me ointments? > So much to think about in my twilight years :) A. > > On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 7:52 AM, Susan Harkins wrote: > > > Happy Birthday old fart! ;) > > Susan H. > > > >? In one day I'll turn 64, so please send lawyers, guns and money! > > Sheesh, > >> time flies like an arrow, and flies love a banana. Tunderin' Jaysus, > >> one minute a Young Turk and the next an Old Fart. Ah, well. Life goes > >> on and off (the Ruby on Rails). > >> > >> > > ______________________________**_________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > eadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech> > > Website: > > http://www.databaseadvisors.**com > > > > > > -- > Cell: 647.710.1314 > > Thirty spokes converge on a hub > but it's the emptiness > that makes a wheel work >? ? -- from the Daodejing > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Mon Nov 14 09:45:39 2011 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 07:45:39 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] One more day In-Reply-To: <1321069982.81888.1321285051510.JavaMail.open-xchange@email.1and1.co.uk References: <7CF0002291654D90947265BB1BB51CA7@HAL9007> <1321069982.81888.1321285051510.JavaMail.open-xchange@email.1and1.co.uk Message-ID: Do fish get thirsty? R -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Lacey Sent: Monday, November 14, 2011 7:38 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] One more day ROTFL Love 'em Rocky. Got any more? ? Andy ? On 14 November 2011 at 14:23 Rocky Smolin wrote: >? > Do they sterilize needles for lethal injections?? If so, why? > > R >? > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur > Fuller > Sent: Monday, November 14, 2011 5:16 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] One more day > > Thanks, you young Turks! > On this ponderous day, my last at 63, several questions continue to vex me: > > 1. Why all the emphasis on searching for intelligent life in the universe? > What about non-itelligent life? Why set the bar so high? > 2. How come there are no non-food banks? Poor people need other things > besides food, you know -- detergent, shoe polish, pencil sharpeners. > The list goes on. > 3. Is it really true that every non-prime number is the product of two > primes? > 4. Is it really true that the summed digits of every multiple of 9 equal 9? > (e.g. 9 x 10 = 99, 9+9=18, 1+8 =9)? > 5. Is the real reason nobody's come up with a cure for psoriasis that > it's more profitable to sell me ointments? > So much to think about in my twilight years :) A. > > On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 7:52 AM, Susan Harkins wrote: > > > Happy Birthday old fart! ;) > > Susan H. > > > >? In one day I'll turn 64, so please send lawyers, guns and money! > > Sheesh, > >> time flies like an arrow, and flies love a banana. Tunderin' > >> Jaysus, one minute a Young Turk and the next an Old Fart. Ah, well. > >> Life goes on and off (the Ruby on Rails). > >> > >> > > ______________________________**_________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > as eadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech> > > Website: > > http://www.databaseadvisors.**com > > > > > > -- > Cell: 647.710.1314 > > Thirty spokes converge on a hub > but it's the emptiness > that makes a wheel work >? ? -- from the Daodejing > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Mon Nov 14 09:47:53 2011 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 07:47:53 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] One more day In-Reply-To: <1321069982.81888.1321285051510.JavaMail.open-xchange@email.1and1.co.uk References: <7CF0002291654D90947265BB1BB51CA7@HAL9007> <1321069982.81888.1321285051510.JavaMail.open-xchange@email.1and1.co.uk Message-ID: How do you know when you're out of invisible ink? R -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Lacey Sent: Monday, November 14, 2011 7:38 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] One more day ROTFL Love 'em Rocky. Got any more? ? Andy ? On 14 November 2011 at 14:23 Rocky Smolin wrote: >? > Do they sterilize needles for lethal injections?? If so, why? > > R >? > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur > Fuller > Sent: Monday, November 14, 2011 5:16 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] One more day > > Thanks, you young Turks! > On this ponderous day, my last at 63, several questions continue to vex me: > > 1. Why all the emphasis on searching for intelligent life in the universe? > What about non-itelligent life? Why set the bar so high? > 2. How come there are no non-food banks? Poor people need other things > besides food, you know -- detergent, shoe polish, pencil sharpeners. > The list goes on. > 3. Is it really true that every non-prime number is the product of two > primes? > 4. Is it really true that the summed digits of every multiple of 9 equal 9? > (e.g. 9 x 10 = 99, 9+9=18, 1+8 =9)? > 5. Is the real reason nobody's come up with a cure for psoriasis that > it's more profitable to sell me ointments? > So much to think about in my twilight years :) A. > > On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 7:52 AM, Susan Harkins wrote: > > > Happy Birthday old fart! ;) > > Susan H. > > > >? In one day I'll turn 64, so please send lawyers, guns and money! > > Sheesh, > >> time flies like an arrow, and flies love a banana. Tunderin' > >> Jaysus, one minute a Young Turk and the next an Old Fart. Ah, well. > >> Life goes on and off (the Ruby on Rails). > >> > >> > > ______________________________**_________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > as eadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech> > > Website: > > http://www.databaseadvisors.**com > > > > > > -- > Cell: 647.710.1314 > > Thirty spokes converge on a hub > but it's the emptiness > that makes a wheel work >? ? -- from the Daodejing > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jon.tydda at lonza.com Mon Nov 14 09:50:24 2011 From: jon.tydda at lonza.com (Tydda Jon - Slough) Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 16:50:24 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] One more day In-Reply-To: References: <7CF0002291654D90947265BB1BB51CA7@HAL9007> <1321069982.81888.1321285051510.JavaMail.open-xchange@email.1and1.co.uk Message-ID: Why do they sell hands free soap dispensers? The very next thing you're going to do after getting the soap out, is wash your hands... Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: 14 November 2011 15:48 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] One more day How do you know when you're out of invisible ink? R -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Lacey Sent: Monday, November 14, 2011 7:38 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] One more day ROTFL Love 'em Rocky. Got any more? Andy On 14 November 2011 at 14:23 Rocky Smolin wrote: > > Do they sterilize needles for lethal injections? If so, why? > > R > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur > Fuller > Sent: Monday, November 14, 2011 5:16 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] One more day > > Thanks, you young Turks! > On this ponderous day, my last at 63, several questions continue to > vex me: > > 1. Why all the emphasis on searching for intelligent life in the universe? > What about non-itelligent life? Why set the bar so high? > 2. How come there are no non-food banks? Poor people need other things > besides food, you know -- detergent, shoe polish, pencil sharpeners. > The list goes on. > 3. Is it really true that every non-prime number is the product of two > primes? > 4. Is it really true that the summed digits of every multiple of 9 > equal 9? > (e.g. 9 x 10 = 99, 9+9=18, 1+8 =9)? > 5. Is the real reason nobody's come up with a cure for psoriasis that > it's more profitable to sell me ointments? > So much to think about in my twilight years :) A. > > On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 7:52 AM, Susan Harkins wrote: > > > Happy Birthday old fart! ;) > > Susan H. > > > > In one day I'll turn 64, so please send lawyers, guns and money! > > Sheesh, > >> time flies like an arrow, and flies love a banana. Tunderin' > >> Jaysus, one minute a Young Turk and the next an Old Fart. Ah, well. > >> Life goes on and off (the Ruby on Rails). > >> > >> > > ______________________________**_________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > as eadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech> > > Website: > > http://www.databaseadvisors.**com > > > > > > -- > Cell: 647.710.1314 > > Thirty spokes converge on a hub > but it's the emptiness > that makes a wheel work > -- from the Daodejing > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com This communication and its attachments, if any, may contain confidential and privileged information the use of which by other persons or entities than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you receive this transmission in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete the material from your system. From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Mon Nov 14 10:12:17 2011 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 08:12:17 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Access 2010 Deployment (cross posted) Message-ID: <7B13A2F78AB742DBA6742B1415DF21A7@HAL9007> Dear Lists: I am considering upgrading a commercial product from Access 2003 to Access 2010 (loathe as I am to develop in 2010 - I guess it's time). Although most of the target market has Office with Access, so I can distribute an mde, some do not so I have always had a run-time version available as an option. I have used the Wise/Sagekey combo for this purpose for may years. (IIRC, the market for Sagekey was motivated in no measure by the poor implementation of run-time deployments in A2000 and A2003.) I have seen references to a run-time deployment in A2010 being much improved. If I can avoid purchasing the Sagekey 2010 script and using Wise I would prefer that - it would make life much simpler. So I am looking for experiences/comments/feedback/benefits/drawbacks, etc., on the effectiveness of the A2010 run-time deployment. MTIA, Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.bchacc.com www.e-z-mrp.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Mon Nov 14 10:21:00 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 11:21:00 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] One more day In-Reply-To: References: <7CF0002291654D90947265BB1BB51CA7@HAL9007> Message-ID: >From Steven Wright... What do they pack Styrofoam chips in? A. On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 10:50 AM, Tydda Jon - Slough wrote: > Why do they sell hands free soap dispensers? The very next thing you're > going to do after getting the soap out, is wash your hands... > > > Jon > > From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Nov 14 10:35:11 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 08:35:11 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] One more day In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6E273B797E9E4F6B9333985286726F6B@creativesystemdesigns.com> Happy early birthday Arthur...have a great one. You have to keep getting older our many of us will just pass you. ;-) Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Monday, November 14, 2011 12:43 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] One more day In one day I'll turn 64, so please send lawyers, guns and money! Sheesh, time flies like an arrow, and flies love a banana. Tunderin' Jaysus, one minute a Young Turk and the next an Old Fart. Ah, well. Life goes on and off (the Ruby on Rails). -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Thirty spokes converge on a hub but it's the emptiness that makes a wheel work -- from the Daodejing _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Mon Nov 14 15:37:44 2011 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2011 07:37:44 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] One more day In-Reply-To: <6C8CB1BCD6234B9AA7F7D0D8C119AB8B@HAL9007> References: , <6C8CB1BCD6234B9AA7F7D0D8C119AB8B@HAL9007> Message-ID: <4EC18A28.2646.1E39E261@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> And it's 40 in Hex. Life begins at forty! -- Stuart On 14 Nov 2011 at 6:10, Rocky Smolin wrote: > Try to have a good time anyway. Remember, 64 is the...uh...new 63. > > Best > > Rocky > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller > Sent: Monday, November 14, 2011 12:43 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: [dba-Tech] One more day > > In one day I'll turn 64, so please send lawyers, guns and money! Sheesh, > time flies like an arrow, and flies love a banana. Tunderin' Jaysus, one > minute a Young Turk and the next an Old Fart. Ah, well. Life goes on and off > (the Ruby on Rails). > > -- > Arthur > Cell: 647.710.1314 > > Thirty spokes converge on a hub > but it's the emptiness > that makes a wheel work > -- from the Daodejing > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Mon Nov 14 15:38:18 2011 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2011 07:38:18 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] One more day In-Reply-To: References: , , Message-ID: <4EC18A4A.6457.1E3A642D@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Relative to whom? :-) On 14 Nov 2011 at 6:17, Rocky Smolin wrote: > If you're driving a car at the speed of light and you turn on the > headlights, does anything happen? > > R > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller > Sent: Monday, November 14, 2011 5:16 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] One more day > > Thanks, you young Turks! > On this ponderous day, my last at 63, several questions continue to vex me: > > 1. Why all the emphasis on searching for intelligent life in the universe? > What about non-itelligent life? Why set the bar so high? > 2. How come there are no non-food banks? Poor people need other things > besides food, you know -- detergent, shoe polish, pencil sharpeners. The > list goes on. > 3. Is it really true that every non-prime number is the product of two > primes? > 4. Is it really true that the summed digits of every multiple of 9 equal 9? > (e.g. 9 x 10 = 99, 9+9=18, 1+8 =9)? > 5. Is the real reason nobody's come up with a cure for psoriasis that it's > more profitable to sell me ointments? > So much to think about in my twilight years :) A. > > On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 7:52 AM, Susan Harkins wrote: > > > Happy Birthday old fart! ;) > > Susan H. > > > > In one day I'll turn 64, so please send lawyers, guns and money! > > Sheesh, > >> time flies like an arrow, and flies love a banana. Tunderin' Jaysus, > >> one minute a Young Turk and the next an Old Fart. Ah, well. Life goes > >> on and off (the Ruby on Rails). > >> > >> > > ______________________________**_________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > eadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech> > > Website: > > http://www.databaseadvisors.**com > > > > > > -- > Cell: 647.710.1314 > > Thirty spokes converge on a hub > but it's the emptiness > that makes a wheel work > -- from the Daodejing > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From john at winhaven.net Mon Nov 14 17:08:01 2011 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 17:08:01 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] One more day In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <009d01cca322$41b3f4f0$c51bded0$@winhaven.net> Happy Birthday Arthur! I hope you enjoy it to the max. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Monday, November 14, 2011 2:43 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] One more day In one day I'll turn 64, so please send lawyers, guns and money! Sheesh, time flies like an arrow, and flies love a banana. Tunderin' Jaysus, one minute a Young Turk and the next an Old Fart. Ah, well. Life goes on and off (the Ruby on Rails). -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Thirty spokes converge on a hub but it's the emptiness that makes a wheel work -- from the Daodejing _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From john at winhaven.net Mon Nov 14 17:08:06 2011 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 17:08:06 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] One more day In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <009f01cca322$44f675c0$cee36140$@winhaven.net> Um, yea, the electrical use increases. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Monday, November 14, 2011 8:18 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] One more day If you're driving a car at the speed of light and you turn on the headlights, does anything happen? R -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Monday, November 14, 2011 5:16 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] One more day Thanks, you young Turks! On this ponderous day, my last at 63, several questions continue to vex me: 1. Why all the emphasis on searching for intelligent life in the universe? What about non-itelligent life? Why set the bar so high? 2. How come there are no non-food banks? Poor people need other things besides food, you know -- detergent, shoe polish, pencil sharpeners. The list goes on. 3. Is it really true that every non-prime number is the product of two primes? 4. Is it really true that the summed digits of every multiple of 9 equal 9? (e.g. 9 x 10 = 99, 9+9=18, 1+8 =9)? 5. Is the real reason nobody's come up with a cure for psoriasis that it's more profitable to sell me ointments? So much to think about in my twilight years :) A. On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 7:52 AM, Susan Harkins wrote: > Happy Birthday old fart! ;) > Susan H. > > In one day I'll turn 64, so please send lawyers, guns and money! > Sheesh, >> time flies like an arrow, and flies love a banana. Tunderin' Jaysus, >> one minute a Young Turk and the next an Old Fart. Ah, well. Life goes >> on and off (the Ruby on Rails). >> >> > ______________________________**_________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/dba-tech eadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech> > Website: > http://www.databaseadvisors.**com > -- Cell: 647.710.1314 Thirty spokes converge on a hub but it's the emptiness that makes a wheel work -- from the Daodejing _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From lembit.dbamail at t-online.de Tue Nov 15 05:02:41 2011 From: lembit.dbamail at t-online.de (Lembit Soobik) Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2011 12:02:41 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] One more day References: Message-ID: <75F032E0C7544751912487518F2CFA90@OfficePgm> Happy Birthday, Arthur, and remember: All the fun starts at 65. So one more year to go. :-) Lembit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arthur Fuller" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Monday, November 14, 2011 9:43 AM Subject: [dba-Tech] One more day > In one day I'll turn 64, so please send lawyers, guns and money! Sheesh, > time flies like an arrow, and flies love a banana. Tunderin' Jaysus, one > minute a Young Turk and the next an Old Fart. Ah, well. Life goes on and > off (the Ruby on Rails). > > -- > Arthur > Cell: 647.710.1314 > > Thirty spokes converge on a hub > but it's the emptiness > that makes a wheel work > -- from the Daodejing > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From lembit.dbamail at t-online.de Tue Nov 15 05:05:25 2011 From: lembit.dbamail at t-online.de (Lembit Soobik) Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2011 12:05:25 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] One more day References: Message-ID: <79EB53594575475A9E08A2E0A7337E95@OfficePgm> Happy Birthday, Arthur, and remember: All the fun starts at 65. So one more year to go. :-) Lembit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arthur Fuller" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Monday, November 14, 2011 9:43 AM Subject: [dba-Tech] One more day > In one day I'll turn 64, so please send lawyers, guns and money! Sheesh, > time flies like an arrow, and flies love a banana. Tunderin' Jaysus, one > minute a Young Turk and the next an Old Fart. Ah, well. Life goes on and > off (the Ruby on Rails). > > -- > Arthur > Cell: 647.710.1314 > > Thirty spokes converge on a hub > but it's the emptiness > that makes a wheel work > -- from the Daodejing > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From lembit.dbamail at t-online.de Tue Nov 15 05:06:47 2011 From: lembit.dbamail at t-online.de (Lembit Soobik) Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2011 12:06:47 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] One more day References: Message-ID: Happy Birthday, Arthur, and remember: All the fun starts at 65. So one more year to go. :-) Lembit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arthur Fuller" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Monday, November 14, 2011 9:43 AM Subject: [dba-Tech] One more day > In one day I'll turn 64, so please send lawyers, guns and money! Sheesh, > time flies like an arrow, and flies love a banana. Tunderin' Jaysus, one > minute a Young Turk and the next an Old Fart. Ah, well. Life goes on and > off (the Ruby on Rails). > > -- > Arthur > Cell: 647.710.1314 > > Thirty spokes converge on a hub > but it's the emptiness > that makes a wheel work > -- from the Daodejing > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From lembit.soobik at weihenstephan.org Tue Nov 15 04:58:54 2011 From: lembit.soobik at weihenstephan.org (Lembit Soobik) Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2011 11:58:54 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] One more day References: Message-ID: <1F80E04199F8416B9DBC62AB1E9803CA@OfficePgm> Happy Birthday, Arthur, and remember: All the fun starts at 65. So one more year to go. :-) Lembit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arthur Fuller" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Monday, November 14, 2011 9:43 AM Subject: [dba-Tech] One more day > In one day I'll turn 64, so please send lawyers, guns and money! Sheesh, > time flies like an arrow, and flies love a banana. Tunderin' Jaysus, one > minute a Young Turk and the next an Old Fart. Ah, well. Life goes on and > off (the Ruby on Rails). > > -- > Arthur > Cell: 647.710.1314 > > Thirty spokes converge on a hub > but it's the emptiness > that makes a wheel work > -- from the Daodejing > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From lembit.soobik at weihenstephan.org Tue Nov 15 05:08:09 2011 From: lembit.soobik at weihenstephan.org (Lembit Soobik) Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2011 12:08:09 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] One more day References: Message-ID: Happy Birthday, Arthur, and remember: All the fun starts at 65. So one more year to go. :-) Lembit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arthur Fuller" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Monday, November 14, 2011 9:43 AM Subject: [dba-Tech] One more day > In one day I'll turn 64, so please send lawyers, guns and money! Sheesh, > time flies like an arrow, and flies love a banana. Tunderin' Jaysus, one > minute a Young Turk and the next an Old Fart. Ah, well. Life goes on and > off (the Ruby on Rails). > > -- > Arthur > Cell: 647.710.1314 > > Thirty spokes converge on a hub > but it's the emptiness > that makes a wheel work > -- from the Daodejing > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From lembit.soobik at weihenstephan.org Tue Nov 15 05:35:18 2011 From: lembit.soobik at weihenstephan.org (Lembit Soobik) Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2011 12:35:18 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] One more day References: Message-ID: <4857D12BAD9C4FD9894F714005783D6D@OfficePgm> sorry for the 5 copies - was rejected 4 times, and then seems all went through. Lembit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lembit Soobik" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2011 12:08 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] One more day > Happy Birthday, Arthur, > and remember: All the fun starts at 65. So one more year to go. > :-) > Lembit > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Arthur Fuller" > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > Sent: Monday, November 14, 2011 9:43 AM > Subject: [dba-Tech] One more day > > >> In one day I'll turn 64, so please send lawyers, guns and money! Sheesh, >> time flies like an arrow, and flies love a banana. Tunderin' Jaysus, one >> minute a Young Turk and the next an Old Fart. Ah, well. Life goes on and >> off (the Ruby on Rails). >> >> -- >> Arthur >> Cell: 647.710.1314 >> >> Thirty spokes converge on a hub >> but it's the emptiness >> that makes a wheel work >> -- from the Daodejing >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Tue Nov 15 06:14:52 2011 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2011 22:14:52 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] One more day In-Reply-To: <4857D12BAD9C4FD9894F714005783D6D@OfficePgm> References: , <4857D12BAD9C4FD9894F714005783D6D@OfficePgm> Message-ID: <4EC257BC.21004.215CF008@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> I thought it was "oldtimers" disease and you just kept on forgetting that you had sent it. -- Stuart On 15 Nov 2011 at 12:35, Lembit Soobik wrote: > sorry for the 5 copies - was rejected 4 times, and then seems all went > through. > Lembit > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lembit Soobik" > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2011 12:08 PM > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] One more day > > > > Happy Birthday, Arthur, > > and remember: All the fun starts at 65. So one more year to go. > > :-) > > Lembit > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Arthur Fuller" > > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > > > Sent: Monday, November 14, 2011 9:43 AM > > Subject: [dba-Tech] One more day > > > > > >> In one day I'll turn 64, so please send lawyers, guns and money! Sheesh, > >> time flies like an arrow, and flies love a banana. Tunderin' Jaysus, one > >> minute a Young Turk and the next an Old Fart. Ah, well. Life goes on and > >> off (the Ruby on Rails). > >> > >> -- > >> Arthur > >> Cell: 647.710.1314 > >> > >> Thirty spokes converge on a hub > >> but it's the emptiness > >> that makes a wheel work > >> -- from the Daodejing > >> _______________________________________________ > >> dba-Tech mailing list > >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From lembit.soobik at weihenstephan.org Tue Nov 15 07:34:19 2011 From: lembit.soobik at weihenstephan.org (Lembit Soobik) Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2011 14:34:19 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] One more day References: , <4857D12BAD9C4FD9894F714005783D6D@OfficePgm> <4EC257BC.21004.215CF008@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <7714AC48603C49A4ADD948AD3EAC4407@OfficePgm> agree, much better excuse ;-) L ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stuart McLachlan" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2011 1:14 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] One more day >I thought it was "oldtimers" disease and you just kept on forgetting that >you had sent it. > > -- > Stuart > > On 15 Nov 2011 at 12:35, Lembit Soobik wrote: > >> sorry for the 5 copies - was rejected 4 times, and then seems all went >> through. >> Lembit >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Lembit Soobik" >> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" >> >> Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2011 12:08 PM >> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] One more day >> >> >> > Happy Birthday, Arthur, >> > and remember: All the fun starts at 65. So one more year to go. >> > :-) >> > Lembit >> > >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "Arthur Fuller" >> > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" >> > >> > Sent: Monday, November 14, 2011 9:43 AM >> > Subject: [dba-Tech] One more day >> > >> > >> >> In one day I'll turn 64, so please send lawyers, guns and money! >> >> Sheesh, >> >> time flies like an arrow, and flies love a banana. Tunderin' Jaysus, >> >> one >> >> minute a Young Turk and the next an Old Fart. Ah, well. Life goes on >> >> and >> >> off (the Ruby on Rails). >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Arthur >> >> Cell: 647.710.1314 >> >> >> >> Thirty spokes converge on a hub >> >> but it's the emptiness >> >> that makes a wheel work >> >> -- from the Daodejing >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> dba-Tech mailing list >> >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > dba-Tech mailing list >> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From carbonnb at gmail.com Tue Nov 15 13:53:49 2011 From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell) Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2011 14:53:49 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Seeking graphics-skilled person In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Guess I'm not eligible, eh? LOL Bryan On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 11:48 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > CBC is running a contest for a new logo. I have what I think is a great > idea, but am totally without graphic skills. What I have in mind is an > animated graphic that takes about 4 seconds to unfold. Other than beginning > image, nothing else external is required; from there on in, it's strictly > (I think) manipulation of the initial image. > > There's $5K at stake in this contest. There's no second-place, it's winner > take all. > > I have the concept and a 30-year-old familiarity with CBC radio, to the > point where I never change channels. That is part of the reason I would > love to win this contest. But to realize my vision, I need a partner who > knows her/his way around graphics and animation. > > If you're interested, please contact me off-list and I can show/tell you > what I have in mind. I don't think it's terribly difficult to do, but > embedded as I am in the world of databases, I have no idea about what tools > are available to the graphically-inclined. Chances are, it might result in > a waste of your time. On the other hand, should we win, there's $5K to the > winner. > > -- > A. > Cell: 647.710.1314 > > Thirty spokes converge on a hub > but it's the emptiness > that makes a wheel work > ? -- from the Daodejing > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "What a great ride!" From stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz Tue Nov 15 22:41:02 2011 From: stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz (Stephen Bond) Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 17:41:02 +1300 Subject: [dba-Tech] VMWare vs Virtual PC Message-ID: I've tried Virtual PC on a fairly high-powered PC and am not impressed with the way the mouse skip around erratically. Is VMWare better? I want to emulate a Windows XP configuration. Stephen Bond From john at winhaven.net Tue Nov 15 23:23:30 2011 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2011 23:23:30 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] VMWare vs Virtual PC In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <012801cca41f$e0e00160$a2a00420$@winhaven.net> Try VirtualBox -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Bond Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2011 10:41 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] VMWare vs Virtual PC I've tried Virtual PC on a fairly high-powered PC and am not impressed with the way the mouse skip around erratically. Is VMWare better? I want to emulate a Windows XP configuration. Stephen Bond _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Tue Nov 15 23:47:44 2011 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 15:47:44 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] VMWare vs Virtual PC In-Reply-To: <012801cca41f$e0e00160$a2a00420$@winhaven.net> References: , <012801cca41f$e0e00160$a2a00420$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: <4EC34E80.28007.2520E294@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> I second that. On 15 Nov 2011 at 23:23, John Bartow wrote: > Try VirtualBox > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Bond > Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2011 10:41 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: [dba-Tech] VMWare vs Virtual PC > > I've tried Virtual PC on a fairly high-powered PC and am not impressed with > the way the mouse skip around erratically. Is VMWare better? I want to > emulate a Windows XP configuration. > > Stephen Bond > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From hans.andersen at phulse.com Wed Nov 16 01:32:11 2011 From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen) Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2011 23:32:11 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Barnes & Noble Exposes Microsoft's "Trivial" Patents and Strategy Against Android In-Reply-To: <4EC34E80.28007.2520E294@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: , <012801cca41f$e0e00160$a2a00420$@winhaven.net> <4EC34E80.28007.2520E294@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <67F5CE00-76A1-4E01-8392-422D8A0811E2@phulse.com> Things are about to get quite interesting. It's about time we find out what exactly Microsoft has been asserting that it has patents over. "Barnes & Noble has done the world a tremendous favor, by pulling aside the curtain and revealing Microsoft's patent campaign tactics against Android in lurid detail. It reveals the assertion of "trivial" and "invalid" patents against Barnes & Noble and some shocking details about an "oppressive" license agreement that would have controlled hardware and software design features that Microsoft presented, thus limiting to what degree Barnes & Noble could offer upgrades and improved features to its customers if it had signed it, features it says none of Microsoft's patents cover. Microsoft worked so hard to keep it all secret, and I think you'll see why. It's ugly behind that curtain." http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=2011111122291296 - Hans From df.waters at comcast.net Wed Nov 16 09:11:12 2011 From: df.waters at comcast.net (Dan Waters) Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 09:11:12 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] IT Position in Minneapolis/St.Paul Message-ID: <002b01cca471$fa687070$ef395150$@comcast.net> I just talked with one of my customers this morning, and they are looking for a person to be an 'on call' IT person. This a 100 person manufacturing firm in Shoreview. If you're interested, please contact me directly. Thanks! Dan From accessd at shaw.ca Wed Nov 16 12:07:51 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 10:07:51 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Barnes & Noble Exposes Microsoft's "Trivial" Patents andStrategy Against Android In-Reply-To: <67F5CE00-76A1-4E01-8392-422D8A0811E2@phulse.com> References: <012801cca41f$e0e00160$a2a00420$@winhaven.net> <4EC34E80.28007.2520E294@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <67F5CE00-76A1-4E01-8392-422D8A0811E2@phulse.com> Message-ID: This is as bad as it gets and exactly the type of process that I most feared. If this type activity is allowed, these Patent Trolls, could crush much of the creativity and progress within the computer industry. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hans-Christian Andersen Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2011 11:32 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Barnes & Noble Exposes Microsoft's "Trivial" Patents andStrategy Against Android Things are about to get quite interesting. It's about time we find out what exactly Microsoft has been asserting that it has patents over. "Barnes & Noble has done the world a tremendous favor, by pulling aside the curtain and revealing Microsoft's patent campaign tactics against Android in lurid detail. It reveals the assertion of "trivial" and "invalid" patents against Barnes & Noble and some shocking details about an "oppressive" license agreement that would have controlled hardware and software design features that Microsoft presented, thus limiting to what degree Barnes & Noble could offer upgrades and improved features to its customers if it had signed it, features it says none of Microsoft's patents cover. Microsoft worked so hard to keep it all secret, and I think you'll see why. It's ugly behind that curtain." http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=2011111122291296 - Hans _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Thu Nov 17 14:04:44 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 12:04:44 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Microsoft bails on Dryad and moved to Haroop In-Reply-To: References: <012801cca41f$e0e00160$a2a00420$@winhaven.net> <4EC34E80.28007.2520E294@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <67F5CE00-76A1-4E01-8392-422D8A0811E2@phulse.com> Message-ID: <58C49332C14047FFA3343D7B4C0AAAC5@creativesystemdesigns.com> Microsoft have quit on it venture into the internet framework world and decided to adopt the new super engine database of Hadoop. Along with this re-structuring, a number of the tools, like LINQ and associated apps have either been abandoned or their future is in question. http://tinyurl.com/6tm857j I think it is a good move for Microsoft to stop trying to force the internet to adapt to their proprietary products and finally accepted the reality of the Open Source leader of NoSQL database giant. I applaud the new MS direction. Jim From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Thu Nov 17 14:17:55 2011 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 06:17:55 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Microsoft bails on Dryad and moved to Haroop In-Reply-To: <58C49332C14047FFA3343D7B4C0AAAC5@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: , , <58C49332C14047FFA3343D7B4C0AAAC5@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <4EC56BF3.1360.2D63C5CC@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> You mean the "adopt and enhance" direction where they start of by adopting a particular standard and then try to lock peeple in by introducing their own proprietary "extensions" or "enhancements" :-) That's not new. -- Stuart On 17 Nov 2011 at 12:04, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Microsoft have quit on it venture into the internet framework world and > decided to adopt the new super engine database of Hadoop. Along with this > re-structuring, a number of the tools, like LINQ and associated apps have > either been abandoned or their future is in question. > > http://tinyurl.com/6tm857j > > I think it is a good move for Microsoft to stop trying to force the internet > to adapt to their proprietary products and finally accepted the reality of > the Open Source leader of NoSQL database giant. > > I applaud the new MS direction. > > Jim > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From hans.andersen at phulse.com Thu Nov 17 14:40:13 2011 From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen) Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 12:40:13 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Microsoft bails on Dryad and moved to Haroop In-Reply-To: <58C49332C14047FFA3343D7B4C0AAAC5@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <012801cca41f$e0e00160$a2a00420$@winhaven.net> <4EC34E80.28007.2520E294@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <67F5CE00-76A1-4E01-8392-422D8A0811E2@phulse.com> <58C49332C14047FFA3343D7B4C0AAAC5@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: Let's see about that. Microsoft has a long history of "embrace and extend" (and extinguish) - adopt an open standard, apply their own proprietary extensions, and, because of their overall dominance, kill off competitors by co-opting the standard or making what was once a standard now a tangled mess. They even invented the term, so it's just a matter of time before we see if this leopard has truly changed its spots. I personally doubt it. As a recent example, the whole ODF debacle rings a bell. - Hans On 2011-11-17, at 12:04 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Microsoft have quit on it venture into the internet framework world and > decided to adopt the new super engine database of Hadoop. Along with this > re-structuring, a number of the tools, like LINQ and associated apps have > either been abandoned or their future is in question. > > http://tinyurl.com/6tm857j > > I think it is a good move for Microsoft to stop trying to force the internet > to adapt to their proprietary products and finally accepted the reality of > the Open Source leader of NoSQL database giant. > > I applaud the new MS direction. > > Jim > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Thu Nov 17 14:49:24 2011 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 06:49:24 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Microsoft bails on Dryad and moved to Haroop In-Reply-To: References: , <58C49332C14047FFA3343D7B4C0AAAC5@creativesystemdesigns.com>, Message-ID: <4EC57354.8473.2D809B05@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Great minds think alike :-) -- Stuart On 17 Nov 2011 at 12:40, Hans-Christian Andersen wrote: > > > Let's see about that. Microsoft has a long history of "embrace and extend" (and extinguish) - adopt an open standard, apply their own proprietary extensions, and, because of their overall dominance, kill off competitors by co-opting the standard or making what was once a standard now a tangled mess. > > They even invented the term, so it's just a matter of time before we see if this leopard has truly changed its spots. I personally doubt it. As a recent example, the whole ODF debacle rings a bell. > > - Hans > > > > On 2011-11-17, at 12:04 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > > > Microsoft have quit on it venture into the internet framework world and > > decided to adopt the new super engine database of Hadoop. Along with this > > re-structuring, a number of the tools, like LINQ and associated apps have > > either been abandoned or their future is in question. > > > > http://tinyurl.com/6tm857j > > > > I think it is a good move for Microsoft to stop trying to force the internet > > to adapt to their proprietary products and finally accepted the reality of > > the Open Source leader of NoSQL database giant. > > > > I applaud the new MS direction. > > > > Jim > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From accessd at shaw.ca Thu Nov 17 16:46:49 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 14:46:49 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Microsoft bails on Dryad and moved to Haroop In-Reply-To: References: <012801cca41f$e0e00160$a2a00420$@winhaven.net> <4EC34E80.28007.2520E294@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <67F5CE00-76A1-4E01-8392-422D8A0811E2@phulse.com> <58C49332C14047FFA3343D7B4C0AAAC5@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <88A004FB3C4D41BBADE64DB6B8BE5DED@creativesystemdesigns.com> I truly believe that MS does not have the power to affect the markets, any more; so any chaos created will be to their undoing. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hans-Christian Andersen Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 12:40 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Microsoft bails on Dryad and moved to Haroop Let's see about that. Microsoft has a long history of "embrace and extend" (and extinguish) - adopt an open standard, apply their own proprietary extensions, and, because of their overall dominance, kill off competitors by co-opting the standard or making what was once a standard now a tangled mess. They even invented the term, so it's just a matter of time before we see if this leopard has truly changed its spots. I personally doubt it. As a recent example, the whole ODF debacle rings a bell. - Hans On 2011-11-17, at 12:04 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Microsoft have quit on it venture into the internet framework world and > decided to adopt the new super engine database of Hadoop. Along with this > re-structuring, a number of the tools, like LINQ and associated apps have > either been abandoned or their future is in question. > > http://tinyurl.com/6tm857j > > I think it is a good move for Microsoft to stop trying to force the internet > to adapt to their proprietary products and finally accepted the reality of > the Open Source leader of NoSQL database giant. > > I applaud the new MS direction. > > Jim > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Thu Nov 17 16:52:50 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 14:52:50 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Microsoft bails on Dryad and moved to Haroop In-Reply-To: <4EC57354.8473.2D809B05@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <58C49332C14047FFA3343D7B4C0AAAC5@creativesystemdesigns.com> <4EC57354.8473.2D809B05@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <41D2402C641F4E5A861095E31D57AE4D@creativesystemdesigns.com> Isn't that statement only half completed? ;-) In this case I do concur but I would truly like to give them the benefit of the doubt. It seems the Ballmer is having a very rough ride from his company's stockholders and his days may be numbered Some fresh blood with fresh ideas could really turn the company around, as there is so much great talent at the Redmond Campus. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 12:49 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Microsoft bails on Dryad and moved to Haroop Great minds think alike :-) -- Stuart On 17 Nov 2011 at 12:40, Hans-Christian Andersen wrote: > > > Let's see about that. Microsoft has a long history of "embrace and extend" (and extinguish) - adopt an open standard, apply their own proprietary extensions, and, because of their overall dominance, kill off competitors by co-opting the standard or making what was once a standard now a tangled mess. > > They even invented the term, so it's just a matter of time before we see if this leopard has truly changed its spots. I personally doubt it. As a recent example, the whole ODF debacle rings a bell. > > - Hans > > > > On 2011-11-17, at 12:04 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > > > Microsoft have quit on it venture into the internet framework world and > > decided to adopt the new super engine database of Hadoop. Along with this > > re-structuring, a number of the tools, like LINQ and associated apps have > > either been abandoned or their future is in question. > > > > http://tinyurl.com/6tm857j > > > > I think it is a good move for Microsoft to stop trying to force the internet > > to adapt to their proprietary products and finally accepted the reality of > > the Open Source leader of NoSQL database giant. > > > > I applaud the new MS direction. > > > > Jim > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Fri Nov 18 07:11:34 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 08:11:34 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] What got you interested in technology? IT's rich and famous share their memories Message-ID: Luminaries Vint Cerf, Michael Dell, Stephen Elop (Nokia), William Gibson, Noel Sharkey (Professor of AI and Robotics at the University of Sheffield), Richard Stallman and others reminisce about their early computing experiences: http://www.silicon.com/technology/hardware/2011/11/16/what-got-you-interested-in-technology-its-rich-and-famous-share-their-memories-39748104/ -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Thirty spokes converge on a hub but it's the emptiness that makes a wheel work -- from the Daodejing From Gustav at cactus.dk Fri Nov 18 07:43:03 2011 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 14:43:03 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] What got you interested in technology? IT's rich and famous share their memories Message-ID: Hi Arthur I'll share a part of my memory that for some unknown reason popped forward the other day: Do you remember the time when OS/2 was moving ahead, that a major issue to discuss was if it would be able to launch in a machine equipped with 4 MB of RAM? I don't recall what made 4 MB a magic number but today, where 4 GB is standard in main-level machines, it is hard to imagine that this parameter could get any attention at all. Perhaps it was cost - I guess 1 MB of RAM at those days equals 4 GB today. Didn't Compaq manufacture a full-length(!) add-in board with 3 MB extended RAM? At a fortune. /gustav >>> fuller.artful at gmail.com 18-11-2011 14:11 >>> Luminaries Vint Cerf, Michael Dell, Stephen Elop (Nokia), William Gibson, Noel Sharkey (Professor of AI and Robotics at the University of Sheffield), Richard Stallman and others reminisce about their early computing experiences: http://www.silicon.com/technology/hardware/2011/11/16/what-got-you-interested-in-technology-its-rich-and-famous-share-their-memories-39748104/ -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Thirty spokes converge on a hub but it's the emptiness that makes a wheel work -- from the Daodejing From fuller.artful at gmail.com Fri Nov 18 08:33:27 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 09:33:27 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] What got you interested in technology? IT's rich and famous share their memories In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: My first box was purchased on March 15, 1983. It was a Unitron, a clone of the Apple II. It came with Apple SOS and a CP/M card containing 48K of RAM. First thing I bought was a 16K expansion card. I used to run WordStar, Supercalc and dBASE II on it. It took about a month to become skilled at dBASE II and from then on I've been hooked on databases. Speaking of OS/2, at that time I was a freelance journalist working for several magazines, writing mostly software reviews etc. IBM flew a bunch of journalists to Bletchley Park to unveil OS/2. Bletchley park initially became famous as the place where they cracked the Enigma machine. A. On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 8:43 AM, Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi Arthur > > I'll share a part of my memory that for some unknown reason popped forward > the other day: > > Do you remember the time when OS/2 was moving ahead, that a major issue to > discuss was if it would be able to launch in a machine equipped with 4 MB > of RAM? > I don't recall what made 4 MB a magic number but today, where 4 GB is > standard in main-level machines, it is hard to imagine that this parameter > could get any attention at all. > Perhaps it was cost - I guess 1 MB of RAM at those days equals 4 GB today. > Didn't Compaq manufacture a full-length(!) add-in board with 3 MB extended > RAM? At a fortune. > > /gustav > > From gustav at cactus.dk Fri Nov 18 10:33:32 2011 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 17:33:32 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] What got you interested in technology? IT's rich and famous share their memories Message-ID: Hi Arthur In the early 90s I had the "pleasure" of writing for the local PR agency that was responsible for the Danish version of the IBM Helpware Magazine. As such I had to run OS/2 on my 486 pc with 16 MB of RAM to test different things. I liked OS/2 except that no applications were at hand and it had some corners. First at the later Warp version it became polished. The task was a nightmare as the British PR agency responsible for Europe supplied the articles and these were loaded with errors I just couldn't ignore should the magazine be of any help for the common user. Thus, I often faced a rewrite rather than a translation. I have never touched OS/2 since then except for one client who ran an OS/2 server - which basically was the Lan Manager server OS. The server was later replaced with an NT Server when version 3.5 came out. Did you write about OS/2? /gustav >>> fuller.artful at gmail.com 18-11-2011 15:33 >>> My first box was purchased on March 15, 1983. It was a Unitron, a clone of the Apple II. It came with Apple SOS and a CP/M card containing 48K of RAM. First thing I bought was a 16K expansion card. I used to run WordStar, Supercalc and dBASE II on it. It took about a month to become skilled at dBASE II and from then on I've been hooked on databases. Speaking of OS/2, at that time I was a freelance journalist working for several magazines, writing mostly software reviews etc. IBM flew a bunch of journalists to Bletchley Park to unveil OS/2. Bletchley park initially became famous as the place where they cracked the Enigma machine. A. On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 8:43 AM, Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi Arthur > > I'll share a part of my memory that for some unknown reason popped forward > the other day: > > Do you remember the time when OS/2 was moving ahead, that a major issue to > discuss was if it would be able to launch in a machine equipped with 4 MB > of RAM? > I don't recall what made 4 MB a magic number but today, where 4 GB is > standard in main-level machines, it is hard to imagine that this parameter > could get any attention at all. > Perhaps it was cost - I guess 1 MB of RAM at those days equals 4 GB today. > Didn't Compaq manufacture a full-length(!) add-in board with 3 MB extended > RAM? At a fortune. > > /gustav From fuller.artful at gmail.com Fri Nov 18 10:43:37 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 11:43:37 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] What got you interested in technology? IT's rich and famous share their memories In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: A little bit, but as you said, there weren't a lot of apps for it to write about, so I wrote about the launch party at Bletchley and then the split between MS and IBM on the project; stuff like that. Given the time and place, I liked the OS itself, but there's only so much I can do with an OS and an assembler. /A. On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 11:33 AM, Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi Arthur > > In the early 90s I had the "pleasure" of writing for the local PR agency > that was responsible for the Danish version of the IBM Helpware Magazine. > As such I had to run OS/2 on my 486 pc with 16 MB of RAM to test different > things. I liked OS/2 except that no applications were at hand and it had > some corners. First at the later Warp version it became polished. > The task was a nightmare as the British PR agency responsible for Europe > supplied the articles and these were loaded with errors I just couldn't > ignore should the magazine be of any help for the common user. Thus, I > often faced a rewrite rather than a translation. > > I have never touched OS/2 since then except for one client who ran an OS/2 > server - which basically was the Lan Manager server OS. The server was > later replaced with an NT Server when version 3.5 came out. > > Did you write about OS/2? > > /gustav > > > >>> fuller.artful at gmail.com 18-11-2011 15:33 >>> > My first box was purchased on March 15, 1983. It was a Unitron, a clone of > the Apple II. It came with Apple SOS and a CP/M card containing 48K of RAM. > First thing I bought was a 16K expansion card. I used to run WordStar, > Supercalc and dBASE II on it. It took about a month to become skilled at > dBASE II and from then on I've been hooked on databases. > > Speaking of OS/2, at that time I was a freelance journalist working for > several magazines, writing mostly software reviews etc. IBM flew a bunch of > journalists to Bletchley Park to unveil OS/2. Bletchley park initially > became famous as the place where they cracked the Enigma machine. > > A. > > On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 8:43 AM, Gustav Brock wrote: > > > Hi Arthur > > > > I'll share a part of my memory that for some unknown reason popped > forward > > the other day: > > > > Do you remember the time when OS/2 was moving ahead, that a major issue > to > > discuss was if it would be able to launch in a machine equipped with 4 MB > > of RAM? > > I don't recall what made 4 MB a magic number but today, where 4 GB is > > standard in main-level machines, it is hard to imagine that this > parameter > > could get any attention at all. > > Perhaps it was cost - I guess 1 MB of RAM at those days equals 4 GB > today. > > Didn't Compaq manufacture a full-length(!) add-in board with 3 MB > extended > > RAM? At a fortune. > > > > /gustav > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Cell: 647.710.1314 Thirty spokes converge on a hub but it's the emptiness that makes a wheel work -- from the Daodejing From accessd at shaw.ca Fri Nov 18 12:38:23 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 10:38:23 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] What got you interested in technology? IT's rich and famous share their memories In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I first got involved with a Commodore64 computer. The main chip was a 6510 MOS CPU not to be confused with a 6502 as it had four registers in the BIOS that were none volatile. A programmer could actually use a total of 128K...a massive amount of memory. For us geeks we would cycle through the base 64K and copy the entire OS up into the secondary memory storage area, seed the non-volatile registers and then reboot. The 64K would be repopulated but the system would reset through the register and run the system from the hidden RAM. The 1541 disk-drive had a huge storage capacity (160K). With a little bit of soldering, these drives could be stacked as the IO channels could be set from 8 to 12. The most units that I ever attached together was 3. (A toggle switch could be setup to top of the drive to hot-swap IO channels. The biggest thrill I ever got was when I assembler coded a driver which could stop and start the floppy drive and position the heads on any location on the floppy surface. That was the beginning of a hard coded fixed length database that could access any record within one second. Eventually, I hand coded, in assembler, a video store program. That application took months of work and it was all done so I could get free movies for us and the kids. I learned how to code search routines, sorting routines and build data compression algorithms (very important when you have little storage capacity). After that, I learned my lesson and never programmed another app in assembler. A company in Britain, quite independantly, build a database along similar lines called SuperBase...absolutely brilliant and in its time was unsurpassed in performance. The company survived into the Windows age but has disappeared as it had no advertisement budget. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superbase_database) Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 5:12 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] What got you interested in technology? IT's rich and famous share their memories Luminaries Vint Cerf, Michael Dell, Stephen Elop (Nokia), William Gibson, Noel Sharkey (Professor of AI and Robotics at the University of Sheffield), Richard Stallman and others reminisce about their early computing experiences: http://www.silicon.com/technology/hardware/2011/11/16/what-got-you-intereste d-in-technology-its-rich-and-famous-share-their-memories-39748104/ -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Thirty spokes converge on a hub but it's the emptiness that makes a wheel work -- from the Daodejing _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Fri Nov 18 12:50:41 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 10:50:41 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] What got you interested in technology? IT's rich andfamous share their memories In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <95742A60C79C4CBEB82CCBC785CE0D64@creativesystemdesigns.com> A one MB RAM board used to cost almost 8K for a VAX. I remember being in a meeting and we were trying to decide whether we should blow the budget on a MB of RAM or on a new very-high capacity Alpha hard drive of 512MBs...About the size of a small washing machine. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 5:43 AM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] What got you interested in technology? IT's rich andfamous share their memories Hi Arthur I'll share a part of my memory that for some unknown reason popped forward the other day: Do you remember the time when OS/2 was moving ahead, that a major issue to discuss was if it would be able to launch in a machine equipped with 4 MB of RAM? I don't recall what made 4 MB a magic number but today, where 4 GB is standard in main-level machines, it is hard to imagine that this parameter could get any attention at all. Perhaps it was cost - I guess 1 MB of RAM at those days equals 4 GB today. Didn't Compaq manufacture a full-length(!) add-in board with 3 MB extended RAM? At a fortune. /gustav >>> fuller.artful at gmail.com 18-11-2011 14:11 >>> Luminaries Vint Cerf, Michael Dell, Stephen Elop (Nokia), William Gibson, Noel Sharkey (Professor of AI and Robotics at the University of Sheffield), Richard Stallman and others reminisce about their early computing experiences: http://www.silicon.com/technology/hardware/2011/11/16/what-got-you-intereste d-in-technology-its-rich-and-famous-share-their-memories-39748104/ -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Thirty spokes converge on a hub but it's the emptiness that makes a wheel work -- from the Daodejing _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Fri Nov 18 13:03:04 2011 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 11:03:04 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] What got you interested in technology? IT's rich andfamous share their memories In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3283575168D6489AB07EA15FBB2B9F55@HAL9007> My first box? IBM 7090 - rotating drum memory. Behind a glass wall - punch the cards, turn in the cards, return the next day to find out where you left out a comma. Punch the cards, turn in the cards. Return the next day to find out where you left out the /. I was hooked. Next machine IBM 1620. With hard drives!!! :) R -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 10:38 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] What got you interested in technology? IT's rich andfamous share their memories I first got involved with a Commodore64 computer. The main chip was a 6510 MOS CPU not to be confused with a 6502 as it had four registers in the BIOS that were none volatile. A programmer could actually use a total of 128K...a massive amount of memory. For us geeks we would cycle through the base 64K and copy the entire OS up into the secondary memory storage area, seed the non-volatile registers and then reboot. The 64K would be repopulated but the system would reset through the register and run the system from the hidden RAM. The 1541 disk-drive had a huge storage capacity (160K). With a little bit of soldering, these drives could be stacked as the IO channels could be set from 8 to 12. The most units that I ever attached together was 3. (A toggle switch could be setup to top of the drive to hot-swap IO channels. The biggest thrill I ever got was when I assembler coded a driver which could stop and start the floppy drive and position the heads on any location on the floppy surface. That was the beginning of a hard coded fixed length database that could access any record within one second. Eventually, I hand coded, in assembler, a video store program. That application took months of work and it was all done so I could get free movies for us and the kids. I learned how to code search routines, sorting routines and build data compression algorithms (very important when you have little storage capacity). After that, I learned my lesson and never programmed another app in assembler. A company in Britain, quite independantly, build a database along similar lines called SuperBase...absolutely brilliant and in its time was unsurpassed in performance. The company survived into the Windows age but has disappeared as it had no advertisement budget. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superbase_database) Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 5:12 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] What got you interested in technology? IT's rich and famous share their memories Luminaries Vint Cerf, Michael Dell, Stephen Elop (Nokia), William Gibson, Noel Sharkey (Professor of AI and Robotics at the University of Sheffield), Richard Stallman and others reminisce about their early computing experiences: http://www.silicon.com/technology/hardware/2011/11/16/what-got-you-intereste d-in-technology-its-rich-and-famous-share-their-memories-39748104/ -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Thirty spokes converge on a hub but it's the emptiness that makes a wheel work -- from the Daodejing _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Fri Nov 18 13:03:42 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 11:03:42 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] What got you interested in technology? IT's rich and famous share their memories In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0087B7BE87D843F38DBE224139024498@creativesystemdesigns.com> I worked for about two years, 1992 to 1994 supporting an OS2 network, using Token-ring and all backed up with a Lanserver server... Talk about unstable. (Microsoft built the Lanserver and used the technology to build their Lanmanager, which eventually turned into NT...they also built the core of OS2...MS came so close to being busted by IBM in court action.) I had 10 other clients that I was supposed to be supporting but just stayed on that site keeping this 50-user network running. ;-) Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 6:33 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] What got you interested in technology? IT's rich and famous share their memories My first box was purchased on March 15, 1983. It was a Unitron, a clone of the Apple II. It came with Apple SOS and a CP/M card containing 48K of RAM. First thing I bought was a 16K expansion card. I used to run WordStar, Supercalc and dBASE II on it. It took about a month to become skilled at dBASE II and from then on I've been hooked on databases. Speaking of OS/2, at that time I was a freelance journalist working for several magazines, writing mostly software reviews etc. IBM flew a bunch of journalists to Bletchley Park to unveil OS/2. Bletchley park initially became famous as the place where they cracked the Enigma machine. A. On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 8:43 AM, Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi Arthur > > I'll share a part of my memory that for some unknown reason popped forward > the other day: > > Do you remember the time when OS/2 was moving ahead, that a major issue to > discuss was if it would be able to launch in a machine equipped with 4 MB > of RAM? > I don't recall what made 4 MB a magic number but today, where 4 GB is > standard in main-level machines, it is hard to imagine that this parameter > could get any attention at all. > Perhaps it was cost - I guess 1 MB of RAM at those days equals 4 GB today. > Didn't Compaq manufacture a full-length(!) add-in board with 3 MB extended > RAM? At a fortune. > > /gustav > > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From hans.andersen at phulse.com Fri Nov 18 19:11:33 2011 From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen) Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 17:11:33 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] What got you interested in technology? IT's rich and famous share their memories In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <254E8F6F-630D-4351-8531-CF226887FA97@phulse.com> I envy you all. :) I was just a wee sprog in those days. My first exposure to programming was Logo and then the ball got rolling once I got my Amiga 500. But I still missed out on a lot before that. - Hans Sent from my iPhone On 2011-11-18, at 8:33 AM, "Gustav Brock" wrote: > Hi Arthur > > In the early 90s I had the "pleasure" of writing for the local PR agency that was responsible for the Danish version of the IBM Helpware Magazine. As such I had to run OS/2 on my 486 pc with 16 MB of RAM to test different things. I liked OS/2 except that no applications were at hand and it had some corners. First at the later Warp version it became polished. > The task was a nightmare as the British PR agency responsible for Europe supplied the articles and these were loaded with errors I just couldn't ignore should the magazine be of any help for the common user. Thus, I often faced a rewrite rather than a translation. > > I have never touched OS/2 since then except for one client who ran an OS/2 server - which basically was the Lan Manager server OS. The server was later replaced with an NT Server when version 3.5 came out. > > Did you write about OS/2? > > /gustav > > >>>> fuller.artful at gmail.com 18-11-2011 15:33 >>> > My first box was purchased on March 15, 1983. It was a Unitron, a clone of > the Apple II. It came with Apple SOS and a CP/M card containing 48K of RAM. > First thing I bought was a 16K expansion card. I used to run WordStar, > Supercalc and dBASE II on it. It took about a month to become skilled at > dBASE II and from then on I've been hooked on databases. > > Speaking of OS/2, at that time I was a freelance journalist working for > several magazines, writing mostly software reviews etc. IBM flew a bunch of > journalists to Bletchley Park to unveil OS/2. Bletchley park initially > became famous as the place where they cracked the Enigma machine. > > A. > > On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 8:43 AM, Gustav Brock wrote: > >> Hi Arthur >> >> I'll share a part of my memory that for some unknown reason popped forward >> the other day: >> >> Do you remember the time when OS/2 was moving ahead, that a major issue to >> discuss was if it would be able to launch in a machine equipped with 4 MB >> of RAM? >> I don't recall what made 4 MB a magic number but today, where 4 GB is >> standard in main-level machines, it is hard to imagine that this parameter >> could get any attention at all. >> Perhaps it was cost - I guess 1 MB of RAM at those days equals 4 GB today. >> Didn't Compaq manufacture a full-length(!) add-in board with 3 MB extended >> RAM? At a fortune. >> >> /gustav > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Fri Nov 18 19:36:33 2011 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2011 11:36:33 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] What got you interested in technology? IT's rich and famous share their memories In-Reply-To: <254E8F6F-630D-4351-8531-CF226887FA97@phulse.com> References: , <254E8F6F-630D-4351-8531-CF226887FA97@phulse.com> Message-ID: <4EC70821.23796.33ADDFA4@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> I got my Amiga 500 in 1987 (?), which was 20 years after I wrote my first Fortran program :-) -- Stuart On 18 Nov 2011 at 17:11, Hans-Christian Andersen wrote: > I envy you all. :) I was just a wee sprog in those days. My first > exposure to programming was Logo and then the ball got rolling once I > got my Amiga 500. But I still missed out on a lot before that. > > - Hans > > Sent from my iPhone > From hans.andersen at phulse.com Fri Nov 18 19:51:45 2011 From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen) Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 17:51:45 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] What got you interested in technology? IT's rich and famous share their memories In-Reply-To: <4EC70821.23796.33ADDFA4@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <254E8F6F-630D-4351-8531-CF226887FA97@phulse.com> <4EC70821.23796.33ADDFA4@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <70777255-5D0D-45C1-B52F-9A4271E36F31@phulse.com> And what a fine machine it was. I still lament the fact that I no longer have mine. - Hans Sent from my iPhone On 2011-11-18, at 5:36 PM, "Stuart McLachlan" wrote: > I got my Amiga 500 in 1987 (?), which was 20 years after I wrote my first Fortran program :-) > > -- > Stuart > > On 18 Nov 2011 at 17:11, Hans-Christian Andersen wrote: > >> I envy you all. :) I was just a wee sprog in those days. My first >> exposure to programming was Logo and then the ball got rolling once I >> got my Amiga 500. But I still missed out on a lot before that. >> >> - Hans >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Fri Nov 18 20:15:01 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 18:15:01 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] What got you interested in technology? IT's rich andfamous share their memories In-Reply-To: <4EC70821.23796.33ADDFA4@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <254E8F6F-630D-4351-8531-CF226887FA97@phulse.com> <4EC70821.23796.33ADDFA4@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <34BA5BDE06A74D388607E11481263ACB@creativesystemdesigns.com> 1967....so you were helping with landing men on the moon? Who were you working for? I did not get into computers until 10 or 11 years later. FORTRAN was a great program. No other program ever exceeded its ability to do a core dump of 200 pages, becuase of a single misplaced or missing period. That is why there was always a senior tech on site when ever there was a seies compiling to be done...so they could kill a run-a-way process on the main frame. ;-) But it was fast... And it was great for teaching Octal math used for calculating varibale offsets in the common block. I must say I was actually quite good at it. ;-) Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 5:37 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] What got you interested in technology? IT's rich andfamous share their memories I got my Amiga 500 in 1987 (?), which was 20 years after I wrote my first Fortran program :-) -- Stuart On 18 Nov 2011 at 17:11, Hans-Christian Andersen wrote: > I envy you all. :) I was just a wee sprog in those days. My first > exposure to programming was Logo and then the ball got rolling once I > got my Amiga 500. But I still missed out on a lot before that. > > - Hans > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Fri Nov 18 22:43:20 2011 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 20:43:20 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] What got you interested in technology? IT's richandfamous share their memories In-Reply-To: <34BA5BDE06A74D388607E11481263ACB@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <254E8F6F-630D-4351-8531-CF226887FA97@phulse.com><4EC70821.23796.33ADDFA4@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <34BA5BDE06A74D388607E11481263ACB@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: I did the same with hexadecimal programming 360s on BAL. Used to be pretty fast adding 1EF to BC2. As an undergraduate I asked a prof I was taking a course from in programming if I could proficiency the course by writing a sufficiently complex program. I proposed a cross reference indexer for FORTRAN programs. Input was the FORTRAN source code. Output was all of the variables and the lines they appeared in. There was no cross reference function for FORTRAN at the time. Write a program with 10,000 lines and have a problem with a variable, you'd have to search all the lines to find occurrences of that variable. I wrote it in assembler. And I got the A. Then I decided on a lark to try to sell it. Got some free PR through the trade mags, got bingo numbers (remember 'circle the number for more information'?), mailed out a piece to the responders describing the program. And they started to sell! I shipped the program by parcel post on punched cards - about 7-800 of them IIRC. I didn't sell many of them. But the price was $40 - which was my monthly rent at the time, I believe. That's what hooked me - not the computers or the technology - but the idea that I could have as much fun as possible playing with the world's best toys and people would push money at me for doing it. I would never have to work a day in my life. Just write a program and sell it ten times. Or a hundred. Or a thousand. I was 19. Now I'm 62 and still doing the same freaking thing. Except, if everything goes well over the next year, I'll be done with it. Going to stop. Except I have this idea for an app - health related - consumer program - could sell thousands. I guess I don't really want to stop. I just don't want to HAVE to work. R -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 6:15 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] What got you interested in technology? IT's richandfamous share their memories 1967....so you were helping with landing men on the moon? Who were you working for? I did not get into computers until 10 or 11 years later. FORTRAN was a great program. No other program ever exceeded its ability to do a core dump of 200 pages, becuase of a single misplaced or missing period. That is why there was always a senior tech on site when ever there was a seies compiling to be done...so they could kill a run-a-way process on the main frame. ;-) But it was fast... And it was great for teaching Octal math used for calculating varibale offsets in the common block. I must say I was actually quite good at it. ;-) Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 5:37 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] What got you interested in technology? IT's rich andfamous share their memories I got my Amiga 500 in 1987 (?), which was 20 years after I wrote my first Fortran program :-) -- Stuart On 18 Nov 2011 at 17:11, Hans-Christian Andersen wrote: > I envy you all. :) I was just a wee sprog in those days. My first > exposure to programming was Logo and then the ball got rolling once I > got my Amiga 500. But I still missed out on a lot before that. > > - Hans > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Sat Nov 19 11:42:02 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2011 09:42:02 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] What got you interested in technology? IT'srichandfamous share their memories In-Reply-To: References: <254E8F6F-630D-4351-8531-CF226887FA97@phulse.com> <4EC70821.23796.33ADDFA4@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <34BA5BDE06A74D388607E11481263ACB@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <197872641C934ADBBB0266177E35F6FF@creativesystemdesigns.com> I love that story... you were on the way to becoming the next Zuckerberg. So what editor did you use? Some one line thing? The price is relative...$40 then is equal to $750 today. Trust me, you will never quit working, in theory I have retired but for the last month and a half, 16 hour days...but with the appropriate naps of course, after all I am not 19 anymore. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 8:43 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] What got you interested in technology? IT'srichandfamous share their memories I did the same with hexadecimal programming 360s on BAL. Used to be pretty fast adding 1EF to BC2. As an undergraduate I asked a prof I was taking a course from in programming if I could proficiency the course by writing a sufficiently complex program. I proposed a cross reference indexer for FORTRAN programs. Input was the FORTRAN source code. Output was all of the variables and the lines they appeared in. There was no cross reference function for FORTRAN at the time. Write a program with 10,000 lines and have a problem with a variable, you'd have to search all the lines to find occurrences of that variable. I wrote it in assembler. And I got the A. Then I decided on a lark to try to sell it. Got some free PR through the trade mags, got bingo numbers (remember 'circle the number for more information'?), mailed out a piece to the responders describing the program. And they started to sell! I shipped the program by parcel post on punched cards - about 7-800 of them IIRC. I didn't sell many of them. But the price was $40 - which was my monthly rent at the time, I believe. That's what hooked me - not the computers or the technology - but the idea that I could have as much fun as possible playing with the world's best toys and people would push money at me for doing it. I would never have to work a day in my life. Just write a program and sell it ten times. Or a hundred. Or a thousand. I was 19. Now I'm 62 and still doing the same freaking thing. Except, if everything goes well over the next year, I'll be done with it. Going to stop. Except I have this idea for an app - health related - consumer program - could sell thousands. I guess I don't really want to stop. I just don't want to HAVE to work. R -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 6:15 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] What got you interested in technology? IT's richandfamous share their memories 1967....so you were helping with landing men on the moon? Who were you working for? I did not get into computers until 10 or 11 years later. FORTRAN was a great program. No other program ever exceeded its ability to do a core dump of 200 pages, becuase of a single misplaced or missing period. That is why there was always a senior tech on site when ever there was a seies compiling to be done...so they could kill a run-a-way process on the main frame. ;-) But it was fast... And it was great for teaching Octal math used for calculating varibale offsets in the common block. I must say I was actually quite good at it. ;-) Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 5:37 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] What got you interested in technology? IT's rich andfamous share their memories I got my Amiga 500 in 1987 (?), which was 20 years after I wrote my first Fortran program :-) -- Stuart On 18 Nov 2011 at 17:11, Hans-Christian Andersen wrote: > I envy you all. :) I was just a wee sprog in those days. My first > exposure to programming was Logo and then the ball got rolling once I > got my Amiga 500. But I still missed out on a lot before that. > > - Hans > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Sat Nov 19 12:05:25 2011 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2011 10:05:25 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] What got you interested in technology?IT'srichandfamous share their memories In-Reply-To: <197872641C934ADBBB0266177E35F6FF@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <254E8F6F-630D-4351-8531-CF226887FA97@phulse.com><4EC70821.23796.33ADDFA4@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg><34BA5BDE06A74D388607E11481263ACB@creativesystemdesigns.com> <197872641C934ADBBB0266177E35F6FF@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: Well, actually about $240 today. Still if you could sell a couple of dozen a semester that would cover a multitude of sins. Editor? Hahahahahah...punched cards. No monitors, no word processors. Just cards. Well, actually about $2140 You might write out your program by hand to start with - get an idea of how you want it to look. Then, once the first draft was on the cards, you could print the cards and use the listing to mark up. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2011 9:42 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] What got you interested in technology?IT'srichandfamous share their memories I love that story... you were on the way to becoming the next Zuckerberg. So what editor did you use? Some one line thing? The price is relative...$40 then is equal to $750 today. Trust me, you will never quit working, in theory I have retired but for the last month and a half, 16 hour days...but with the appropriate naps of course, after all I am not 19 anymore. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 8:43 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] What got you interested in technology? IT'srichandfamous share their memories I did the same with hexadecimal programming 360s on BAL. Used to be pretty fast adding 1EF to BC2. As an undergraduate I asked a prof I was taking a course from in programming if I could proficiency the course by writing a sufficiently complex program. I proposed a cross reference indexer for FORTRAN programs. Input was the FORTRAN source code. Output was all of the variables and the lines they appeared in. There was no cross reference function for FORTRAN at the time. Write a program with 10,000 lines and have a problem with a variable, you'd have to search all the lines to find occurrences of that variable. I wrote it in assembler. And I got the A. Then I decided on a lark to try to sell it. Got some free PR through the trade mags, got bingo numbers (remember 'circle the number for more information'?), mailed out a piece to the responders describing the program. And they started to sell! I shipped the program by parcel post on punched cards - about 7-800 of them IIRC. I didn't sell many of them. But the price was $40 - which was my monthly rent at the time, I believe. That's what hooked me - not the computers or the technology - but the idea that I could have as much fun as possible playing with the world's best toys and people would push money at me for doing it. I would never have to work a day in my life. Just write a program and sell it ten times. Or a hundred. Or a thousand. I was 19. Now I'm 62 and still doing the same freaking thing. Except, if everything goes well over the next year, I'll be done with it. Going to stop. Except I have this idea for an app - health related - consumer program - could sell thousands. I guess I don't really want to stop. I just don't want to HAVE to work. R -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 6:15 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] What got you interested in technology? IT's richandfamous share their memories 1967....so you were helping with landing men on the moon? Who were you working for? I did not get into computers until 10 or 11 years later. FORTRAN was a great program. No other program ever exceeded its ability to do a core dump of 200 pages, becuase of a single misplaced or missing period. That is why there was always a senior tech on site when ever there was a seies compiling to be done...so they could kill a run-a-way process on the main frame. ;-) But it was fast... And it was great for teaching Octal math used for calculating varibale offsets in the common block. I must say I was actually quite good at it. ;-) Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 5:37 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] What got you interested in technology? IT's rich andfamous share their memories I got my Amiga 500 in 1987 (?), which was 20 years after I wrote my first Fortran program :-) -- Stuart On 18 Nov 2011 at 17:11, Hans-Christian Andersen wrote: > I envy you all. :) I was just a wee sprog in those days. My first > exposure to programming was Logo and then the ball got rolling once I > got my Amiga 500. But I still missed out on a lot before that. > > - Hans > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Sun Nov 20 12:34:26 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2011 10:34:26 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] What got you interested in technology?IT'srichandfamous share their memories In-Reply-To: References: <254E8F6F-630D-4351-8531-CF226887FA97@phulse.com> <4EC70821.23796.33ADDFA4@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <34BA5BDE06A74D388607E11481263ACB@creativesystemdesigns.com> <197872641C934ADBBB0266177E35F6FF@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <76ED0B78DF774629BB5AC1C639670F7B@creativesystemdesigns.com> Wow, that is cheap... a basement room with a bathroom rents $750 here. Only worked on punch cards for a two-month period...it was hell but I did discover that holes could be re-filled using wood-glue very effectively. Then a terminal version appeared and people would wait in a line up for 2 or 3 hours just to key in a 50 line piece of code or wait outside the office from 5 AM in the morning and the old key-punch would sit idle waiting for the few that could actually type, mostly women...typing fast with two to four fingers doesn't count. (That was one of the perks of my wife...she could actually keyboard!!) The college had to have a monitors constantly on site to break up fights and stop people hogging the terminal and finally they opened the office 24x7. It was the one place on campus that was always open and busy. The next year a dozen terminals were brought in. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2011 10:05 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] What got you interested in technology?IT'srichandfamous share their memories Well, actually about $240 today. Still if you could sell a couple of dozen a semester that would cover a multitude of sins. Editor? Hahahahahah...punched cards. No monitors, no word processors. Just cards. Well, actually about $2140 You might write out your program by hand to start with - get an idea of how you want it to look. Then, once the first draft was on the cards, you could print the cards and use the listing to mark up. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2011 9:42 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] What got you interested in technology?IT'srichandfamous share their memories I love that story... you were on the way to becoming the next Zuckerberg. So what editor did you use? Some one line thing? The price is relative...$40 then is equal to $750 today. Trust me, you will never quit working, in theory I have retired but for the last month and a half, 16 hour days...but with the appropriate naps of course, after all I am not 19 anymore. Jim Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sun Nov 20 12:51:27 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2011 13:51:27 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] What got you interested in technology?IT'srichandfamous share their memories In-Reply-To: <76ED0B78DF774629BB5AC1C639670F7B@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <254E8F6F-630D-4351-8531-CF226887FA97@phulse.com> <4EC70821.23796.33ADDFA4@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <34BA5BDE06A74D388607E11481263ACB@creativesystemdesigns.com> <197872641C934ADBBB0266177E35F6FF@creativesystemdesigns.com> <76ED0B78DF774629BB5AC1C639670F7B@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: Access to computing technology remains problematic, as evinced by an event in Toronto about a week ago. In the Toronto City Hall library, a fight broke out over use of a workstation, and a 22-y-o man stabbed a 45-yo-man twice, once in the neck and again in the chest. Perhaps ironically, this occurred right in the middle of our mayor Rob (Cutbacks) Ford's attempts to close a bunch of branches, reduce hours to those remaining, and shave about 15% of the staff. A. On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 1:34 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > ... The college had to have a monitors constantly on site to break up fights and > stop people hogging the terminal and finally they opened the office 24x7. > It > was the one place on campus that was always open and busy. The next year a > dozen terminals were brought in. > > Jim > > From fuller.artful at gmail.com Mon Nov 21 15:37:27 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2011 16:37:27 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Enough of Chrome Message-ID: I like Google's approach etc. and have given Chrome the benefit of the doubt for the past few months, but the past couple of days' frustration have compelled me to move on. There are simply too many silly little problems with Chrome. I haven't abandoned ship, but for now, later, as it were. Bye, bye, Chrome, until you fix some really basic problems. -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Thirty spokes converge on a hub but it's the emptiness that makes a wheel work -- from the Daodejing From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Mon Nov 21 15:49:01 2011 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 07:49:01 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Enough of Chrome In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4ECAC74D.19924.4250B23A@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> I only use it occassionally. What problems have you come across? -- Stuart On 21 Nov 2011 at 16:37, Arthur Fuller wrote: > I like Google's approach etc. and have given Chrome the benefit of the > doubt for the past few months, but the past couple of days' frustration > have compelled me to move on. There are simply too many silly little > problems with Chrome. I haven't abandoned ship, but for now, later, as it > were. Bye, bye, Chrome, until you fix some really basic problems. > > -- > Arthur > Cell: 647.710.1314 > > Thirty spokes converge on a hub > but it's the emptiness > that makes a wheel work > -- from the Daodejing > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From john at winhaven.net Mon Nov 21 16:00:54 2011 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2011 16:00:54 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Enough of Chrome In-Reply-To: <4ECAC74D.19924.4250B23A@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <4ECAC74D.19924.4250B23A@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <02cd01cca899$0b335d40$219a17c0$@winhaven.net> I find it's like living with a sliver. I set it up for people to use as their "online gaming browser" but otherwise just haven't had satisfaction with it. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Monday, November 21, 2011 3:49 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Enough of Chrome I only use it occassionally. What problems have you come across? -- Stuart On 21 Nov 2011 at 16:37, Arthur Fuller wrote: > I like Google's approach etc. and have given Chrome the benefit of the > doubt for the past few months, but the past couple of days' > frustration have compelled me to move on. There are simply too many > silly little problems with Chrome. I haven't abandoned ship, but for > now, later, as it were. Bye, bye, Chrome, until you fix some really basic problems. > > -- > Arthur > Cell: 647.710.1314 > > Thirty spokes converge on a hub > but it's the emptiness > that makes a wheel work > -- from the Daodejing > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Mon Nov 21 16:02:31 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2011 17:02:31 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Enough of Chrome In-Reply-To: <4ECAC74D.19924.4250B23A@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <4ECAC74D.19924.4250B23A@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: 1. Way too many "page not found" when they were loaded successfully in the previous session. 2. Inability to remember changed preferences. 3. Inability to recognize "load current pages" on startup; keeps reverting to old version of this. That will do for now, but while slagging Google, I have another beef, with Gmail. Way too frequently, I compose a new message or reply to a received message, and then get a message telling me that I have replied to a Trashed Message. Now how could this occur when composing a new message? And how could this occur when replying to a non-trashed message? (Admittedly, this is easily fixed; just drag the message back into Inbox, but still, why should I have to do this? Makes no sense, particularly when sending a new message.) And on both scores, I find the lack of response from Google's support staff wanting, to say the least. I send mail and apparently it evaporates into the aether. I must have sent a dozen messages to Google Support and yet to receive a single answer. I realize they have jillions of users, but one would think that after a few months, my messages would eventually bubble to the top, but apparently not. Arthur On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 4:49 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote: > I only use it occassionally. What problems have you come across? > > -- > Stuart > > On 21 Nov 2011 at 16:37, Arthur Fuller wrote: > > > I like Google's approach etc. and have given Chrome the benefit of the > > doubt for the past few months, but the past couple of days' frustration > > have compelled me to move on. There are simply too many silly little > > problems with Chrome. I haven't abandoned ship, but for now, later, as it > > were. Bye, bye, Chrome, until you fix some really basic problems. > > > > -- > > Arthur > > Cell: 647.710.1314 > > > > Thirty spokes converge on a hub > > but it's the emptiness > > that makes a wheel work > > -- from the Daodejing > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Cell: 647.710.1314 Thirty spokes converge on a hub but it's the emptiness that makes a wheel work -- from the Daodejing From fuller.artful at gmail.com Mon Nov 21 16:43:57 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2011 17:43:57 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Can you spell superluminal? and define it? Message-ID: Superluminal = Faster Than Light (my suggestion for an abbreviation is FTL). Second measurements at CERN appear to verify initial measures. Now we just have to find a couple of places in the world that can do this measurement. To my knowledge there are only two (could be my ignorance on this subject) such places: Fermilab in Chicago, which already performed a similar run and got similar results, but were not confident in their data because their measuring tools were not as precise as those at CERN; they are now upgrading their equipment and should be able to verify within a year. The other facility is in Japan, but it's been out of commission since the earthquake and tsunami; could be a while before they're ready. Meanwhile we wait with baited breath, pondering the implications. Phone me tomorrow and I'll pick it up yesterday, or something :) -- A. Cell: 647.710.1314 Thirty spokes converge on a hub but it's the emptiness that makes a wheel work -- from the Daodejing From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Nov 21 17:01:51 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2011 15:01:51 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Enough of Chrome In-Reply-To: References: <4ECAC74D.19924.4250B23A@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <0DD6E8148F324396AE3A5F664A0A14AB@creativesystemdesigns.com> It does sound like you are having internet issues. One thing that will cause grief with Chrome is a lagging web site or internet...it tends to time-out. As ISPs keep adding more users, the users keep increasing their usage and the providers refuse to invest in the infrastructure the signal quality continues to depreciate. As an IT guy, I can improve the users experience, connect all their computers, install all their browsers...of any flavour they want but I can do nothing to improve their internet quality unless they are willing to dig deep and pay more. I for one think the internet should be nationalized, just like the Post Office, the water supply, the electrical supply and so on, with fiber-optic cable to every community and then the to-house service can be provided by any number of third-party providers...no more monopoly as it serves nobody (except a very few companies) well. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Monday, November 21, 2011 2:03 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Enough of Chrome 1. Way too many "page not found" when they were loaded successfully in the previous session. 2. Inability to remember changed preferences. 3. Inability to recognize "load current pages" on startup; keeps reverting to old version of this. That will do for now, but while slagging Google, I have another beef, with Gmail. Way too frequently, I compose a new message or reply to a received message, and then get a message telling me that I have replied to a Trashed Message. Now how could this occur when composing a new message? And how could this occur when replying to a non-trashed message? (Admittedly, this is easily fixed; just drag the message back into Inbox, but still, why should I have to do this? Makes no sense, particularly when sending a new message.) And on both scores, I find the lack of response from Google's support staff wanting, to say the least. I send mail and apparently it evaporates into the aether. I must have sent a dozen messages to Google Support and yet to receive a single answer. I realize they have jillions of users, but one would think that after a few months, my messages would eventually bubble to the top, but apparently not. Arthur On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 4:49 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote: > I only use it occassionally. What problems have you come across? > > -- > Stuart > > On 21 Nov 2011 at 16:37, Arthur Fuller wrote: > > > I like Google's approach etc. and have given Chrome the benefit of the > > doubt for the past few months, but the past couple of days' frustration > > have compelled me to move on. There are simply too many silly little > > problems with Chrome. I haven't abandoned ship, but for now, later, as it > > were. Bye, bye, Chrome, until you fix some really basic problems. > > > > -- > > Arthur > > Cell: 647.710.1314 > > > > Thirty spokes converge on a hub > > but it's the emptiness > > that makes a wheel work > > -- from the Daodejing > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Cell: 647.710.1314 Thirty spokes converge on a hub but it's the emptiness that makes a wheel work -- from the Daodejing _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jon.tydda at lonza.com Tue Nov 22 03:14:54 2011 From: jon.tydda at lonza.com (Tydda Jon - Slough) Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 04:14:54 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Can you spell superluminal? and define it? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The only practical use for time travel is so that I can sleep in as long as I want, and still get to work on time :-) Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: 21 November 2011 22:44 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Can you spell superluminal? and define it? Superluminal = Faster Than Light (my suggestion for an abbreviation is FTL). Second measurements at CERN appear to verify initial measures. Now we just have to find a couple of places in the world that can do this measurement. To my knowledge there are only two (could be my ignorance on this subject) such places: Fermilab in Chicago, which already performed a similar run and got similar results, but were not confident in their data because their measuring tools were not as precise as those at CERN; they are now upgrading their equipment and should be able to verify within a year. The other facility is in Japan, but it's been out of commission since the earthquake and tsunami; could be a while before they're ready. Meanwhile we wait with baited breath, pondering the implications. Phone me tomorrow and I'll pick it up yesterday, or something :) -- A. Cell: 647.710.1314 Thirty spokes converge on a hub but it's the emptiness that makes a wheel work -- from the Daodejing _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com This communication and its attachments, if any, may contain confidential and privileged information the use of which by other persons or entities than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you receive this transmission in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete the material from your system. From hans.andersen at phulse.com Tue Nov 22 03:17:12 2011 From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen) Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 01:17:12 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Enough of Chrome In-Reply-To: References: <4ECAC74D.19924.4250B23A@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: Hi arthur, I find that curious. I've been using chrome (and chromium when on linux) as my primary browser for at least 2-3 years and haven't ever really hit any of the issues you mentioned. I did have some weird bug happen once but they fixed it within a day and that was a while back in the early days. You may be having internet issues as Jim suggested, but I guess this might also happen as a result of their frequent rolling releases/patches (maybe something peculiar to your system setup?). What are they on now... Version 256? ;) Well, I don't have problems, but I wouldn't be able to abandon it even if I did. Web kit inspector is such a valuable tool for debugging in web development. - Hans On 21 Nov 2011, at 14:02, Arthur Fuller wrote: > 1. Way too many "page not found" when they were loaded successfully in the > previous session. > 2. Inability to remember changed preferences. > 3. Inability to recognize "load current pages" on startup; keeps reverting > to old version of this. > > That will do for now, but while slagging Google, I have another beef, with > Gmail. Way too frequently, I compose a new message or reply to a received > message, and then get a message telling me that I have replied to a Trashed > Message. Now how could this occur when composing a new message? And how > could this occur when replying to a non-trashed message? (Admittedly, this > is easily fixed; just drag the message back into Inbox, but still, why > should I have to do this? Makes no sense, particularly when sending a new > message.) > > And on both scores, I find the lack of response from Google's support staff > wanting, to say the least. I send mail and apparently it evaporates into > the aether. I must have sent a dozen messages to Google Support and yet to > receive a single answer. I realize they have jillions of users, but one > would think that after a few months, my messages would eventually bubble to > the top, but apparently not. > > Arthur > > On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 4:49 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote: > >> I only use it occassionally. What problems have you come across? >> >> -- >> Stuart >> >> On 21 Nov 2011 at 16:37, Arthur Fuller wrote: >> >>> I like Google's approach etc. and have given Chrome the benefit of the >>> doubt for the past few months, but the past couple of days' frustration >>> have compelled me to move on. There are simply too many silly little >>> problems with Chrome. I haven't abandoned ship, but for now, later, as it >>> were. Bye, bye, Chrome, until you fix some really basic problems. >>> >>> -- >>> Arthur >>> Cell: 647.710.1314 >>> >>> Thirty spokes converge on a hub >>> but it's the emptiness >>> that makes a wheel work >>> -- from the Daodejing >>> _______________________________________________ >>> dba-Tech mailing list >>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > > > > -- > Cell: 647.710.1314 > > Thirty spokes converge on a hub > but it's the emptiness > that makes a wheel work > -- from the Daodejing > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Tue Nov 22 04:56:41 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 05:56:41 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Enough of Chrome In-Reply-To: References: <4ECAC74D.19924.4250B23A@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: You're probably both right, and I'm mistaken blaming it on Chrome, which generally speaking, I like quite a lot. Therre is one serious bug that irritates me, however. Quite often when I reply to a message, and occasionally even when I create a new message, I get a response from the browser to the effect that "You have replied to a Trashed conversation. You will not see it unless you move it to the Inbox." It's not destructive, in that sense of "bug", but it is irritating. You're right, I think, and I think that I can cough up more dough to my provider to obtain faster connections. Unfortunately, I'm on a fixed and decidedly limited income. O well, such are the splendours of retirement. Arthur On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 4:17 AM, Hans-Christian Andersen < hans.andersen at phulse.com> wrote: > Hi arthur, > > I find that curious. I've been using chrome (and chromium when on linux) > as my primary browser for at least 2-3 years and haven't ever really hit > any of the issues you mentioned. I did have some weird bug happen once but > they fixed it within a day and that was a while back in the early days. You > may be having internet issues as Jim suggested, but I guess this might also > happen as a result of their frequent rolling releases/patches (maybe > something peculiar to your system setup?). What are they on now... Version > 256? ;) > > Well, I don't have problems, but I wouldn't be able to abandon it even if > I did. Web kit inspector is such a valuable tool for debugging in web > development. > > - Hans > > > On 21 Nov 2011, at 14:02, Arthur Fuller wrote: > > > 1. Way too many "page not found" when they were loaded successfully in > the > > previous session. > > 2. Inability to remember changed preferences. > > 3. Inability to recognize "load current pages" on startup; keeps > reverting > > to old version of this. > > > > That will do for now, but while slagging Google, I have another beef, > with > > Gmail. Way too frequently, I compose a new message or reply to a received > > message, and then get a message telling me that I have replied to a > Trashed > > Message. Now how could this occur when composing a new message? And how > > could this occur when replying to a non-trashed message? (Admittedly, > this > > is easily fixed; just drag the message back into Inbox, but still, why > > should I have to do this? Makes no sense, particularly when sending a new > > message.) > > > > And on both scores, I find the lack of response from Google's support > staff > > wanting, to say the least. I send mail and apparently it evaporates into > > the aether. I must have sent a dozen messages to Google Support and yet > to > > receive a single answer. I realize they have jillions of users, but one > > would think that after a few months, my messages would eventually bubble > to > > the top, but apparently not. > > > > Arthur > > > > On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 4:49 PM, Stuart McLachlan < > stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>wrote: > > > >> I only use it occassionally. What problems have you come across? > >> > >> -- > >> Stuart > >> > >> On 21 Nov 2011 at 16:37, Arthur Fuller wrote: > >> > >>> I like Google's approach etc. and have given Chrome the benefit of the > >>> doubt for the past few months, but the past couple of days' frustration > >>> have compelled me to move on. There are simply too many silly little > >>> problems with Chrome. I haven't abandoned ship, but for now, later, as > it > >>> were. Bye, bye, Chrome, until you fix some really basic problems. > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Arthur > >>> Cell: 647.710.1314 > >>> > >>> Thirty spokes converge on a hub > >>> but it's the emptiness > >>> that makes a wheel work > >>> -- from the Daodejing > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> dba-Tech mailing list > >>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> dba-Tech mailing list > >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > Cell: 647.710.1314 > > > > Thirty spokes converge on a hub > > but it's the emptiness > > that makes a wheel work > > -- from the Daodejing > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Cell: 647.710.1314 Thirty spokes converge on a hub but it's the emptiness that makes a wheel work -- from the Daodejing From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Tue Nov 22 05:44:34 2011 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 21:44:34 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Enough of Chrome In-Reply-To: References: , , Message-ID: <4ECB8B22.29084.454DAC41@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Ahhh! The dreaded Byte rollover bug, It thinks it's on Version 0. -- Stuart On 22 Nov 2011 at 1:17, Hans-Christian Andersen wrote: > What are they on now... Version 256? ;) > From fuller.artful at gmail.com Tue Nov 22 05:56:20 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 06:56:20 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Interesting waste of time: a JVM written in JavaScript Message-ID: See: http://www.i-programmer.info/news/167-javascript/3360-javascript-jvm-runs-java.html -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Thirty spokes converge on a hub but it's the emptiness that makes a wheel work -- from the Daodejing From tinanfields at torchlake.com Tue Nov 22 07:33:06 2011 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 08:33:06 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Can you spell superluminal? and define it? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4ECBA492.6010600@torchlake.com> Arthur, Ever since the first report of apparent FTL motion, I've been waiting to hear or see confirmation. Then, the second report came. Now, I'm excited that we are about to really learn something new about our physical universe. Isn't this great? T Tina Norris Fields tinanfields at torchlake.com 231-322-2787 On 11/21/2011 5:43 PM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > Superluminal = Faster Than Light (my suggestion for an abbreviation is > FTL). Second measurements at CERN appear to verify initial measures. Now we > just have to find a couple of places in the world that can do this > measurement. To my knowledge there are only two (could be my ignorance on > this subject) such places: Fermilab in Chicago, which already performed a > similar run and got similar results, but were not confident in their data > because their measuring tools were not as precise as those at CERN; they > are now upgrading their equipment and should be able to verify within a > year. The other facility is in Japan, but it's been out of commission since > the earthquake and tsunami; could be a while before they're ready. > Meanwhile we wait with baited breath, pondering the implications. > > Phone me tomorrow and I'll pick it up yesterday, or something :) From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Tue Nov 22 07:43:10 2011 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 23:43:10 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Can you spell superluminal? and define it? In-Reply-To: <4ECBA492.6010600@torchlake.com> References: , <4ECBA492.6010600@torchlake.com> Message-ID: <4ECBA6EE.190.45BA424B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> OTOH: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/11/21/neutrinos_not_so_fast/ On 22 Nov 2011 at 8:33, Tina Norris Fields wrote: > Arthur, > Ever since the first report of apparent FTL motion, I've been waiting to > hear or see confirmation. Then, the second report came. Now, I'm > excited that we are about to really learn something new about our > physical universe. Isn't this great? > T > > Tina Norris Fields > tinanfields at torchlake.com > 231-322-2787 > > > On 11/21/2011 5:43 PM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > > Superluminal = Faster Than Light (my suggestion for an abbreviation is > > FTL). Second measurements at CERN appear to verify initial measures. Now we > > just have to find a couple of places in the world that can do this > > measurement. To my knowledge there are only two (could be my ignorance on > > this subject) such places: Fermilab in Chicago, which already performed a > > similar run and got similar results, but were not confident in their data > > because their measuring tools were not as precise as those at CERN; they > > are now upgrading their equipment and should be able to verify within a > > year. The other facility is in Japan, but it's been out of commission since > > the earthquake and tsunami; could be a while before they're ready. > > Meanwhile we wait with baited breath, pondering the implications. > > > > Phone me tomorrow and I'll pick it up yesterday, or something :) > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Tue Nov 22 09:10:07 2011 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (rockysmolin at bchacc.com) Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 08:10:07 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Enough of Chrome Message-ID: <20111122081007.86c3debdd1c3983866efe200e2feb95f.4631276bb6.wbe@email18.secureserver.net> What's your connection speed? Rocky -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Enough of Chrome From: Arthur Fuller Date: Tue, November 22, 2011 3:56 am To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues You're probably both right, and I'm mistaken blaming it on Chrome, which generally speaking, I like quite a lot. Therre is one serious bug that irritates me, however. Quite often when I reply to a message, and occasionally even when I create a new message, I get a response from the browser to the effect that "You have replied to a Trashed conversation. You will not see it unless you move it to the Inbox." It's not destructive, in that sense of "bug", but it is irritating. You're right, I think, and I think that I can cough up more dough to my provider to obtain faster connections. Unfortunately, I'm on a fixed and decidedly limited income. O well, such are the splendours of retirement. Arthur On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 4:17 AM, Hans-Christian Andersen < hans.andersen at phulse.com> wrote: > Hi arthur, > > I find that curious. I've been using chrome (and chromium when on linux) > as my primary browser for at least 2-3 years and haven't ever really hit > any of the issues you mentioned. I did have some weird bug happen once but > they fixed it within a day and that was a while back in the early days. You > may be having internet issues as Jim suggested, but I guess this might also > happen as a result of their frequent rolling releases/patches (maybe > something peculiar to your system setup?). What are they on now... Version > 256? ;) > > Well, I don't have problems, but I wouldn't be able to abandon it even if > I did. Web kit inspector is such a valuable tool for debugging in web > development. > > - Hans > > > On 21 Nov 2011, at 14:02, Arthur Fuller wrote: > > > 1. Way too many "page not found" when they were loaded successfully in > the > > previous session. > > 2. Inability to remember changed preferences. > > 3. Inability to recognize "load current pages" on startup; keeps > reverting > > to old version of this. > > > > That will do for now, but while slagging Google, I have another beef, > with > > Gmail. Way too frequently, I compose a new message or reply to a received > > message, and then get a message telling me that I have replied to a > Trashed > > Message. Now how could this occur when composing a new message? And how > > could this occur when replying to a non-trashed message? (Admittedly, > this > > is easily fixed; just drag the message back into Inbox, but still, why > > should I have to do this? Makes no sense, particularly when sending a new > > message.) > > > > And on both scores, I find the lack of response from Google's support > staff > > wanting, to say the least. I send mail and apparently it evaporates into > > the aether. I must have sent a dozen messages to Google Support and yet > to > > receive a single answer. I realize they have jillions of users, but one > > would think that after a few months, my messages would eventually bubble > to > > the top, but apparently not. > > > > Arthur > > > > On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 4:49 PM, Stuart McLachlan < > stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>wrote: > > > >> I only use it occassionally. What problems have you come across? > >> > >> -- > >> Stuart > >> > >> On 21 Nov 2011 at 16:37, Arthur Fuller wrote: > >> > >>> I like Google's approach etc. and have given Chrome the benefit of the > >>> doubt for the past few months, but the past couple of days' frustration > >>> have compelled me to move on. There are simply too many silly little > >>> problems with Chrome. I haven't abandoned ship, but for now, later, as > it > >>> were. Bye, bye, Chrome, until you fix some really basic problems. > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Arthur > >>> Cell: 647.710.1314 > >>> > >>> Thirty spokes converge on a hub > >>> but it's the emptiness > >>> that makes a wheel work > >>> -- from the Daodejing > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> dba-Tech mailing list > >>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> dba-Tech mailing list > >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > Cell: 647.710.1314 > > > > Thirty spokes converge on a hub > > but it's the emptiness > > that makes a wheel work > > -- from the Daodejing > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Cell: 647.710.1314 Thirty spokes converge on a hub but it's the emptiness that makes a wheel work -- from the Daodejing _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Tue Nov 22 09:47:03 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 10:47:03 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Birth of the Intel 4004, the first microprocessor Message-ID: See http://www.i-programmer.info/history/machines/3345-birth-of-the-intel-4004-the-first-microprocessor.html . -- Cell: 647.710.1314 Thirty spokes converge on a hub but it's the emptiness that makes a wheel work -- from the Daodejing From tinanfields at torchlake.com Tue Nov 22 10:22:13 2011 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 11:22:13 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Can you spell superluminal? and define it? In-Reply-To: <4ECBA6EE.190.45BA424B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: , <4ECBA492.6010600@torchlake.com> <4ECBA6EE.190.45BA424B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <4ECBCC35.6030103@torchlake.com> Also very interesting. Can't be faster than light because their spectrum indicates they didn't have the anticipated energy loss. More than one premise being tested here. I can hardly wait to see how this all works out. In any event, we are going to learn something important. T Tina Norris Fields tinanfields at torchlake.com 231-322-2787 On 11/22/2011 8:43 AM, Stuart McLachlan wrote: > OTOH: > > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/11/21/neutrinos_not_so_fast/ > > > > On 22 Nov 2011 at 8:33, Tina Norris Fields wrote: > >> Arthur, >> Ever since the first report of apparent FTL motion, I've been waiting to >> hear or see confirmation. Then, the second report came. Now, I'm >> excited that we are about to really learn something new about our >> physical universe. Isn't this great? >> T >> >> Tina Norris Fields >> tinanfields at torchlake.com >> 231-322-2787 >> >> >> On 11/21/2011 5:43 PM, Arthur Fuller wrote: >>> Superluminal = Faster Than Light (my suggestion for an abbreviation is >>> FTL). Second measurements at CERN appear to verify initial measures. Now we >>> just have to find a couple of places in the world that can do this >>> measurement. To my knowledge there are only two (could be my ignorance on >>> this subject) such places: Fermilab in Chicago, which already performed a >>> similar run and got similar results, but were not confident in their data >>> because their measuring tools were not as precise as those at CERN; they >>> are now upgrading their equipment and should be able to verify within a >>> year. The other facility is in Japan, but it's been out of commission since >>> the earthquake and tsunami; could be a while before they're ready. >>> Meanwhile we wait with baited breath, pondering the implications. >>> >>> Phone me tomorrow and I'll pick it up yesterday, or something :) >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From fuller.artful at gmail.com Wed Nov 23 13:05:16 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2011 14:05:16 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Developing Mobile Apps Message-ID: I have an idea for an ever-expanding mobile app, which consists almost entirely of unrelated tables. My current sketch involves about a dozen tables, all of them read-only: they will serve as on-the-spot lookups and seldom if ever change (and any changes will be made by me, not the end-user). Think of it as an on-line reference. Never having tried to write a mobile app, any suggestions for tools to use in tackling this? I would like the app to be platform-agnostic if possible. TIA, Arthur -- Cell: 647.710.1314 Thirty spokes converge on a hub but it's the emptiness that makes a wheel work -- from the Daodejing From peter.brawley at earthlink.net Wed Nov 23 13:11:25 2011 From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley) Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2011 13:11:25 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Developing Mobile Apps In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4ECD455D.7060301@earthlink.net> On 11/23/2011 1:05 PM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > I have an idea for an ever-expanding mobile app, which consists almost > entirely of unrelated tables. My current sketch involves about a dozen > tables, all of them read-only: they will serve as on-the-spot lookups and > seldom if ever change (and any changes will be made by me, not the > end-user). Think of it as an on-line reference. > > Never having tried to write a mobile app, any suggestions for tools to use > in tackling this? I would like the app to be platform-agnostic if possible. Eclipse and its Android Development plugin. PB ----- > > TIA, > Arthur > From hans.andersen at phulse.com Wed Nov 23 19:11:31 2011 From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen) Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2011 17:11:31 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Developing Mobile Apps In-Reply-To: <4ECD455D.7060301@earthlink.net> References: <4ECD455D.7060301@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3EB200E6-2752-461D-A735-9A5C48551E50@phulse.com> Hi Arthur, If you want a platform agnostic app, might I suggest developing Phonegap. This will allow you to develop your app like a web application using tools that may perhaps already be familiar to you (HTML, JavaScript, CSS, etc). To add to that, you could use a web platform like Sencha Touch (or jquery mobile, though I believe Sencha touch has better performance and features). Developing it for Android will not make it platform agnostic and will significantly reduce your audience (especially a paying audience). The downside is that there is a limit to what you can do (ie. making 3D games or photo editing software). Have a look at Phonegap though. They support quite a range of platforms. Oh, and they are based in Vancouver as well. Best regards, Hans-Christian Andersen On 23 Nov 2011, at 11:11, Peter Brawley wrote: > On 11/23/2011 1:05 PM, Arthur Fuller wrote: >> I have an idea for an ever-expanding mobile app, which consists almost >> entirely of unrelated tables. My current sketch involves about a dozen >> tables, all of them read-only: they will serve as on-the-spot lookups and >> seldom if ever change (and any changes will be made by me, not the >> end-user). Think of it as an on-line reference. >> >> Never having tried to write a mobile app, any suggestions for tools to use >> in tackling this? I would like the app to be platform-agnostic if possible. > Eclipse and its Android Development plugin. > > PB > > ----- > >> >> TIA, >> Arthur >> > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Thu Nov 24 07:10:26 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2011 08:10:26 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Developing Mobile Apps In-Reply-To: <3EB200E6-2752-461D-A735-9A5C48551E50@phulse.com> References: <4ECD455D.7060301@earthlink.net> <3EB200E6-2752-461D-A735-9A5C48551E50@phulse.com> Message-ID: Thanks, Hans. I just downloaded it and am currently reading through the "Getting Started" guide. Arthur On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 8:11 PM, Hans-Christian Andersen < hans.andersen at phulse.com> wrote: > Hi Arthur, > > If you want a platform agnostic app, might I suggest developing Phonegap. > This will allow you to develop your app like a web application using tools > that may perhaps already be familiar to you (HTML, JavaScript, CSS, etc). > To add to that, you could use a web platform like Sencha Touch (or jquery > mobile, though I believe Sencha touch has better performance and features). > > Developing it for Android will not make it platform agnostic and will > significantly reduce your audience (especially a paying audience). > > The downside is that there is a limit to what you can do (ie. making 3D > games or photo editing software). > > Have a look at Phonegap though. They support quite a range of platforms. > Oh, and they are based in Vancouver as well. > > Best regards, > Hans-Christian Andersen > From hans.andersen at phulse.com Thu Nov 24 09:52:07 2011 From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen) Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2011 07:52:07 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Developing Mobile Apps In-Reply-To: References: <4ECD455D.7060301@earthlink.net> <3EB200E6-2752-461D-A735-9A5C48551E50@phulse.com> Message-ID: Great. Keep us updated on how it goes. Also, just wanted to make sure to emphasize that Phonegap is simply a platform that lets you package web apps as regular mobile apps and allow those web applications interface with the underlying phone features. Aside from giving you access to some of the underlying phone features and such, it doesn't provide much more than that. Sencha Touch, on the other hand, is a web framework designed for mobile platforms for rapid development of web apps, rather than having to code and design everything yourself from scratch, and works well in combination phonegap. Both of which are cross platform and separate products from separate companies, but work well together, although it is also possible to use Sencha Touch to design mobile friendly web sites for users surfing with a browser (killing 2 birds with one stone). I just wanted to make sure you definitely knew that these were two different things and get you off on the right start. :) There are, of course, other options, but I found these two to work best for what I am developing at the moment. Best of luck, - Hans On 2011-11-24, at 5:10 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > Thanks, Hans. I just downloaded it and am currently reading through the > "Getting Started" guide. > Arthur > > On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 8:11 PM, Hans-Christian Andersen < > hans.andersen at phulse.com> wrote: > >> Hi Arthur, >> >> If you want a platform agnostic app, might I suggest developing Phonegap. >> This will allow you to develop your app like a web application using tools >> that may perhaps already be familiar to you (HTML, JavaScript, CSS, etc). >> To add to that, you could use a web platform like Sencha Touch (or jquery >> mobile, though I believe Sencha touch has better performance and features). >> >> Developing it for Android will not make it platform agnostic and will >> significantly reduce your audience (especially a paying audience). >> >> The downside is that there is a limit to what you can do (ie. making 3D >> games or photo editing software). >> >> Have a look at Phonegap though. They support quite a range of platforms. >> Oh, and they are based in Vancouver as well. >> >> Best regards, >> Hans-Christian Andersen >> > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Thu Nov 24 10:48:34 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2011 11:48:34 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Developing Mobile Apps In-Reply-To: References: <4ECD455D.7060301@earthlink.net> <3EB200E6-2752-461D-A735-9A5C48551E50@phulse.com> Message-ID: All guidance is greatfully accepted! Thanks. A. On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 10:52 AM, Hans-Christian Andersen < hans.andersen at phulse.com> wrote: > > Great. Keep us updated on how it goes. > > Also, just wanted to make sure to emphasize that Phonegap is simply a > platform that lets you package web apps as regular mobile apps and allow > those web applications interface with the underlying phone features. Aside > from giving you access to some of the underlying phone features and such, > it doesn't provide much more than that. > > Sencha Touch, on the other hand, is a web framework designed for mobile > platforms for rapid development of web apps, rather than having to code and > design everything yourself from scratch, and works well in combination > phonegap. > > Both of which are cross platform and separate products from separate > companies, but work well together, although it is also possible to use > Sencha Touch to design mobile friendly web sites for users surfing with a > browser (killing 2 birds with one stone). > > I just wanted to make sure you definitely knew that these were two > different things and get you off on the right start. :) There are, of > course, other options, but I found these two to work best for what I am > developing at the moment. > > Best of luck, > - Hans > > From fuller.artful at gmail.com Thu Nov 24 14:31:37 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2011 15:31:37 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] WW II Redux Message-ID: America finances both sides of the Syrian situation, reminiscent of what occurred in Germany in WW II... http://www.wired.com/wiredenterprise/2011/11/american-computing-syria/ Arthur -- Cell: 647.710.1314 Thirty spokes converge on a hub but it's the emptiness that makes a wheel work -- from the Daodejing From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Thu Nov 24 15:26:01 2011 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2011 13:26:01 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] WW II Redux In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I a world awash in HP hardware I think it would be hard not to find its way into any system in the world. And I don't think HP can control it. Nor apparently the U.S. government. And if that hardware was sold to Syria two years ago then it would hardly be financing either side. Which is aside from the question of whether or not HP and/or the U.S. Government was complicit in allowing or encouraging sales to Syria. Certainly saying the "America finances both side..." is a stretch by what's presented in this article. Finances? Because some HP printers or laptops got bought by Syrians? Hardly 'financing'. I assume whoever bought the hardware paid for it - which means it wasn't financed - just bought apparently legally on the open market in an arm's length transaction. R -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2011 12:32 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] WW II Redux America finances both sides of the Syrian situation, reminiscent of what occurred in Germany in WW II... http://www.wired.com/wiredenterprise/2011/11/american-computing-syria/ Arthur -- Cell: 647.710.1314 Thirty spokes converge on a hub but it's the emptiness that makes a wheel work -- from the Daodejing _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Thu Nov 24 15:40:03 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2011 16:40:03 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] WW II Redux In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: You're quite right, I mis-spoke; I meant "supplied", not "financed". Similar to the Taliban back when USSR thought they might win in Afghanistan, and when in WW II General Motors supplied both sides. My bad wording, sorry about that. A. From accessd at shaw.ca Thu Nov 24 16:46:20 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2011 14:46:20 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Steve Balmer's nightmare In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2C56B56912404C33BF5DB0ACF017388E@creativesystemdesigns.com> If you have been making your living for years on Microsoft products but have been watching the innovations of previous product version becoming less and less and them not keeping up with today's new computer world, then you will understand. MS Access comes to mind. An incredible product, which should or could have been expanded with functionality, innovations in language, updated in capabilities/capacity and it had such a dedicated and loyal following of developers. Microsoft, in its infinite wisdom, abandoned its followers by producing one shoddy product after another...and now that loyalty has been lost and will take a lot of effort to recover it. http://www.businessinsider.com/steve-ballmers-nightmare-how-microsofts-busin ess-really-could-collapse-2011-11 Above is "Business Inside's" take on Microsoft's woes and what will happen if it does not get its ducks in a row, pick what products to support, realize that it no longer controls the market and build some good solid products. The consolation may be in that, Oracle, a long time adversary of Microsoft, is going through the same challenge. Jim From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Thu Nov 24 16:04:22 2011 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2011 14:04:22 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] WW II Redux In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9E7E01F627C644FB9782F3BDD42E1A75@HAL9007> No worries - but did HP supply them? Or did the U.S. Government supply them? Do you think either with a political objective as we supplied bin Laden in his fight against the Russians? R -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2011 1:40 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] WW II Redux You're quite right, I mis-spoke; I meant "supplied", not "financed". Similar to the Taliban back when USSR thought they might win in Afghanistan, and when in WW II General Motors supplied both sides. My bad wording, sorry about that. A. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Thu Nov 24 17:07:23 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2011 15:07:23 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Getting started in Cloud services In-Reply-To: <2C56B56912404C33BF5DB0ACF017388E@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <2C56B56912404C33BF5DB0ACF017388E@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: Getting involved with proprietary products, within a fledgling market, especially in the computer world has always been a potential road to disaster...one that may cost a company millions of dollars and with nothing to show for their efforts. The cloud is such a market, with so many offerings in where and how to host your products and development. There is Microsoft Azure, Google App Engine, or Amazon Web Services to name but a few. What has emerged is an Open Source competitor. http://www.cloudfoundry.com/ It is even being used and supported by HP; also, a supporter of Azure but it seems the company is keeping its options open. Check this product out and get ready for your next business venture. Jim From accessd at shaw.ca Thu Nov 24 17:13:12 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2011 15:13:12 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] WW II Redux In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: No very good at all. Just like the Spanish civil war, in the 30's, the developed nations actively supported both sides of the war. The outcome was not pleasant and not as expected. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2011 12:32 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] WW II Redux America finances both sides of the Syrian situation, reminiscent of what occurred in Germany in WW II... http://www.wired.com/wiredenterprise/2011/11/american-computing-syria/ Arthur -- Cell: 647.710.1314 Thirty spokes converge on a hub but it's the emptiness that makes a wheel work -- from the Daodejing _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Thu Nov 24 18:14:25 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2011 19:14:25 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Getting started in Cloud services In-Reply-To: References: <2C56B56912404C33BF5DB0ACF017388E@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: Just signed up. We shall see what we shall see. Intrigued... A. On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 6:07 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Getting involved with proprietary products, within a fledgling market, > especially in the computer world has always been a potential road to > disaster...one that may cost a company millions of dollars and with nothing > to show for their efforts. > > The cloud is such a market, with so many offerings in where and how to host > your products and development. There is Microsoft Azure, Google App Engine, > or Amazon Web Services to name but a few. What has emerged is an Open > Source > competitor. > > http://www.cloudfoundry.com/ > > It is even being used and supported by HP; also, a supporter of Azure but > it > seems the company is keeping its options open. > > Check this product out and get ready for your next business venture. > > Jim > From hans.andersen at phulse.com Thu Nov 24 18:46:55 2011 From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen) Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2011 16:46:55 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Getting started in Cloud services In-Reply-To: References: <2C56B56912404C33BF5DB0ACF017388E@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <11827A5C-112A-4C5A-9A0B-57260B3895C4@phulse.com> Same. They had me at the nice modern looking web 3.0 apple icloud like logo. Would be a good chance for me to really do some meaningful project with ruby on rails. - Hans On 2011-11-24, at 4:14 PM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > Just signed up. We shall see what we shall see. Intrigued... > A. > > On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 6:07 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > >> Getting involved with proprietary products, within a fledgling market, >> especially in the computer world has always been a potential road to >> disaster...one that may cost a company millions of dollars and with nothing >> to show for their efforts. >> >> The cloud is such a market, with so many offerings in where and how to host >> your products and development. There is Microsoft Azure, Google App Engine, >> or Amazon Web Services to name but a few. What has emerged is an Open >> Source >> competitor. >> >> http://www.cloudfoundry.com/ >> >> It is even being used and supported by HP; also, a supporter of Azure but >> it >> seems the company is keeping its options open. >> >> Check this product out and get ready for your next business venture. >> >> Jim >> > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From hans.andersen at phulse.com Thu Nov 24 19:06:04 2011 From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen) Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2011 17:06:04 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Steve Balmer's nightmare In-Reply-To: <2C56B56912404C33BF5DB0ACF017388E@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <2C56B56912404C33BF5DB0ACF017388E@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: There is something comical about the iPad being somehow the straw that would precipitate a series of events that would eventually break the camels back. Like some super villainous plan of Steve Jobs that took him years and years in a dark room to concoct. But, to be honest, it was a self fulfilling prophesy. Microsoft as a business never understood its own consumers. What they were good at was understanding how to sell to businesses and corporations and governments. And for a long time, what was good for the goose was good for the gander. But thats all changing now with these fancy desirable devices and Microsoft is always late to the game (the first serious WP7 phones are coming out a good 5-6 years late?). They can't keep trying to spread themselves too thin as they are, which means they will have to accept that they cannot keep growing profits for their shareholders with its current business strategy, which is always painful, but IBM made it in the end, did they not? They are still massively profitable and they sold off lots of their assets (although the sale of ThinkPad to Lenovo will always bring a tear to my eye). - Hans On 2011-11-24, at 2:46 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > If you have been making your living for years on Microsoft products but have > been watching the innovations of previous product version becoming less and > less and them not keeping up with today's new computer world, then you will > understand. > > MS Access comes to mind. An incredible product, which should or could have > been expanded with functionality, innovations in language, updated in > capabilities/capacity and it had such a dedicated and loyal following of > developers. Microsoft, in its infinite wisdom, abandoned its followers by > producing one shoddy product after another...and now that loyalty has been > lost and will take a lot of effort to recover it. > > http://www.businessinsider.com/steve-ballmers-nightmare-how-microsofts-busin > ess-really-could-collapse-2011-11 > > Above is "Business Inside's" take on Microsoft's woes and what will happen > if it does not get its ducks in a row, pick what products to support, > realize that it no longer controls the market and build some good solid > products. > > The consolation may be in that, Oracle, a long time adversary of Microsoft, > is going through the same challenge. > > Jim > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Thu Nov 24 22:38:46 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2011 20:38:46 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Getting started in Cloud services In-Reply-To: <11827A5C-112A-4C5A-9A0B-57260B3895C4@phulse.com> References: <2C56B56912404C33BF5DB0ACF017388E@creativesystemdesigns.com> <11827A5C-112A-4C5A-9A0B-57260B3895C4@phulse.com> Message-ID: <5E52D675B4934232A8E11F3CFAF396A3@creativesystemdesigns.com> Is this iCloud site Open Source and free? ;-) Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hans-Christian Andersen Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2011 4:47 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Getting started in Cloud services Same. They had me at the nice modern looking web 3.0 apple icloud like logo. Would be a good chance for me to really do some meaningful project with ruby on rails. - Hans On 2011-11-24, at 4:14 PM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > Just signed up. We shall see what we shall see. Intrigued... > A. > > On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 6:07 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > >> Getting involved with proprietary products, within a fledgling market, >> especially in the computer world has always been a potential road to >> disaster...one that may cost a company millions of dollars and with nothing >> to show for their efforts. >> >> The cloud is such a market, with so many offerings in where and how to host >> your products and development. There is Microsoft Azure, Google App Engine, >> or Amazon Web Services to name but a few. What has emerged is an Open >> Source >> competitor. >> >> http://www.cloudfoundry.com/ >> >> It is even being used and supported by HP; also, a supporter of Azure but >> it >> seems the company is keeping its options open. >> >> Check this product out and get ready for your next business venture. >> >> Jim >> > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Thu Nov 24 22:45:34 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2011 20:45:34 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Steve Balmer's nightmare In-Reply-To: References: <2C56B56912404C33BF5DB0ACF017388E@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <37BE2A97E58745D18C9E3AEA18A14DCE@creativesystemdesigns.com> Steve Balmer must sometimes be feeling like the owner of the largest livery stable in town, by far and someone just pulled up infront of his business with a Model T Ford. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hans-Christian Andersen Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2011 5:06 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Steve Balmer's nightmare There is something comical about the iPad being somehow the straw that would precipitate a series of events that would eventually break the camels back. Like some super villainous plan of Steve Jobs that took him years and years in a dark room to concoct. But, to be honest, it was a self fulfilling prophesy. Microsoft as a business never understood its own consumers. What they were good at was understanding how to sell to businesses and corporations and governments. And for a long time, what was good for the goose was good for the gander. But thats all changing now with these fancy desirable devices and Microsoft is always late to the game (the first serious WP7 phones are coming out a good 5-6 years late?). They can't keep trying to spread themselves too thin as they are, which means they will have to accept that they cannot keep growing profits for their shareholders with its current business strategy, which is always painful, but IBM made it in the end, did they not? They are still massively profitable and they sold off lots of their assets (although the sale of ThinkPad to Lenovo will always bring a tear to my eye). - Hans On 2011-11-24, at 2:46 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > If you have been making your living for years on Microsoft products but have > been watching the innovations of previous product version becoming less and > less and them not keeping up with today's new computer world, then you will > understand. > > MS Access comes to mind. An incredible product, which should or could have > been expanded with functionality, innovations in language, updated in > capabilities/capacity and it had such a dedicated and loyal following of > developers. Microsoft, in its infinite wisdom, abandoned its followers by > producing one shoddy product after another...and now that loyalty has been > lost and will take a lot of effort to recover it. > > http://www.businessinsider.com/steve-ballmers-nightmare-how-microsofts-busin > ess-really-could-collapse-2011-11 > > Above is "Business Inside's" take on Microsoft's woes and what will happen > if it does not get its ducks in a row, pick what products to support, > realize that it no longer controls the market and build some good solid > products. > > The consolation may be in that, Oracle, a long time adversary of Microsoft, > is going through the same challenge. > > Jim > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From hans.andersen at phulse.com Thu Nov 24 23:00:56 2011 From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen) Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2011 21:00:56 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Getting started in Cloud services In-Reply-To: <5E52D675B4934232A8E11F3CFAF396A3@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <2C56B56912404C33BF5DB0ACF017388E@creativesystemdesigns.com> <11827A5C-112A-4C5A-9A0B-57260B3895C4@phulse.com> <5E52D675B4934232A8E11F3CFAF396A3@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: It's a completely different kind of product but with a similar logo :) Best regards, Hans-Christian Andersen On 24 Nov 2011, at 20:38, "Jim Lawrence" wrote: > Is this iCloud site Open Source and free? ;-) > > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hans-Christian > Andersen > Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2011 4:47 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Getting started in Cloud services > > Same. They had me at the nice modern looking web 3.0 apple icloud like logo. > Would be a good chance for me to really do some meaningful project with ruby > on rails. > > - Hans > > > On 2011-11-24, at 4:14 PM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > >> Just signed up. We shall see what we shall see. Intrigued... >> A. >> >> On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 6:07 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: >> >>> Getting involved with proprietary products, within a fledgling market, >>> especially in the computer world has always been a potential road to >>> disaster...one that may cost a company millions of dollars and with > nothing >>> to show for their efforts. >>> >>> The cloud is such a market, with so many offerings in where and how to > host >>> your products and development. There is Microsoft Azure, Google App > Engine, >>> or Amazon Web Services to name but a few. What has emerged is an Open >>> Source >>> competitor. >>> >>> http://www.cloudfoundry.com/ >>> >>> It is even being used and supported by HP; also, a supporter of Azure but >>> it >>> seems the company is keeping its options open. >>> >>> Check this product out and get ready for your next business venture. >>> >>> Jim >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From hans.andersen at phulse.com Thu Nov 24 23:01:07 2011 From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen) Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2011 21:01:07 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Getting started in Cloud services In-Reply-To: <5E52D675B4934232A8E11F3CFAF396A3@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <2C56B56912404C33BF5DB0ACF017388E@creativesystemdesigns.com> <11827A5C-112A-4C5A-9A0B-57260B3895C4@phulse.com> <5E52D675B4934232A8E11F3CFAF396A3@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <3F47B229-735C-46EB-89A9-6AB7F758CB85@phulse.com> And it's free Best regards, Hans-Christian Andersen On 24 Nov 2011, at 20:38, "Jim Lawrence" wrote: > Is this iCloud site Open Source and free? ;-) > > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hans-Christian > Andersen > Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2011 4:47 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Getting started in Cloud services > > Same. They had me at the nice modern looking web 3.0 apple icloud like logo. > Would be a good chance for me to really do some meaningful project with ruby > on rails. > > - Hans > > > On 2011-11-24, at 4:14 PM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > >> Just signed up. We shall see what we shall see. Intrigued... >> A. >> >> On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 6:07 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: >> >>> Getting involved with proprietary products, within a fledgling market, >>> especially in the computer world has always been a potential road to >>> disaster...one that may cost a company millions of dollars and with > nothing >>> to show for their efforts. >>> >>> The cloud is such a market, with so many offerings in where and how to > host >>> your products and development. There is Microsoft Azure, Google App > Engine, >>> or Amazon Web Services to name but a few. What has emerged is an Open >>> Source >>> competitor. >>> >>> http://www.cloudfoundry.com/ >>> >>> It is even being used and supported by HP; also, a supporter of Azure but >>> it >>> seems the company is keeping its options open. >>> >>> Check this product out and get ready for your next business venture. >>> >>> Jim >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Thu Nov 24 23:27:35 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2011 21:27:35 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Getting started in Cloud services In-Reply-To: <3F47B229-735C-46EB-89A9-6AB7F758CB85@phulse.com> References: <2C56B56912404C33BF5DB0ACF017388E@creativesystemdesigns.com> <11827A5C-112A-4C5A-9A0B-57260B3895C4@phulse.com> <5E52D675B4934232A8E11F3CFAF396A3@creativesystemdesigns.com> <3F47B229-735C-46EB-89A9-6AB7F758CB85@phulse.com> Message-ID: <9E4DEA86F2814391B1B279B4B3F70BFF@creativesystemdesigns.com> Now I am listening. :-) Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hans-Christian Andersen Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2011 9:01 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Getting started in Cloud services And it's free Best regards, Hans-Christian Andersen On 24 Nov 2011, at 20:38, "Jim Lawrence" wrote: > Is this iCloud site Open Source and free? ;-) > > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hans-Christian > Andersen > Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2011 4:47 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Getting started in Cloud services > > Same. They had me at the nice modern looking web 3.0 apple icloud like logo. > Would be a good chance for me to really do some meaningful project with ruby > on rails. > > - Hans > > > On 2011-11-24, at 4:14 PM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > >> Just signed up. We shall see what we shall see. Intrigued... >> A. >> >> On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 6:07 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: >> >>> Getting involved with proprietary products, within a fledgling market, >>> especially in the computer world has always been a potential road to >>> disaster...one that may cost a company millions of dollars and with > nothing >>> to show for their efforts. >>> >>> The cloud is such a market, with so many offerings in where and how to > host >>> your products and development. There is Microsoft Azure, Google App > Engine, >>> or Amazon Web Services to name but a few. What has emerged is an Open >>> Source >>> competitor. >>> >>> http://www.cloudfoundry.com/ >>> >>> It is even being used and supported by HP; also, a supporter of Azure but >>> it >>> seems the company is keeping its options open. >>> >>> Check this product out and get ready for your next business venture. >>> >>> Jim >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Fri Nov 25 08:48:19 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2011 09:48:19 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: Robot Solves maze in a stunning 3.9 seconds Message-ID: This must be seen to be believed. http://www.geek.com/articles/chips/min7-micromouse-robot-solves-maze-in-3-921-seconds-20111122/ The second video shows another robot in the competition, which by comparison looks moronic. -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Thirty spokes converge on a hub but it's the emptiness that makes a wheel work -- from the Daodejing From Gustav at cactus.dk Fri Nov 25 09:15:19 2011 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2011 16:15:19 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: Robot Solves maze in a stunning 3.9 seconds Message-ID: Hi Arthur The first one seems to "know" which route to go. How is that? /gustav >>> fuller.artful at gmail.com 25-11-2011 15:48 >>> This must be seen to be believed. http://www.geek.com/articles/chips/min7-micromouse-robot-solves-maze-in-3-921-seconds-20111122/ The second video shows another robot in the competition, which by comparison looks moronic. -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Thirty spokes converge on a hub but it's the emptiness that makes a wheel work -- from the Daodejing From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Fri Nov 25 10:30:24 2011 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2011 08:30:24 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: Robot Solves maze in a stunning 3.9 seconds In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I showed it to Noah, my in-house robotics consultant (remember, he bragged, how they took second last year in the First robotics international competition in Saint Louis?). He guesses the second one is the trial run for the same robot which is mapping out the maze. The top vid is then the competition to see how fast your robot can run the maze with the map it previously mapped. The software challenge there I suppose is to find the shortest path. The mechanical challenge would be to build the most fastest and most agile robot. Thanks for the link - he's now looking for mouse maze competitions in San Diego. We also looked at the soccer playing robots. R -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Friday, November 25, 2011 7:15 AM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] OT: Robot Solves maze in a stunning 3.9 seconds Hi Arthur The first one seems to "know" which route to go. How is that? /gustav >>> fuller.artful at gmail.com 25-11-2011 15:48 >>> This must be seen to be believed. http://www.geek.com/articles/chips/min7-micromouse-robot-solves-maze-in-3-92 1-seconds-20111122/ The second video shows another robot in the competition, which by comparison looks moronic. -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Thirty spokes converge on a hub but it's the emptiness that makes a wheel work -- from the Daodejing _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Gustav at cactus.dk Fri Nov 25 10:47:34 2011 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2011 17:47:34 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: Robot Solves maze in a stunning 3.9 seconds Message-ID: Hi Rocky Thanks to Noah. Now it makes sense. /gustav >>> rockysmolin at bchacc.com 25-11-2011 17:30 >>> I showed it to Noah, my in-house robotics consultant (remember, he bragged, how they took second last year in the First robotics international competition in Saint Louis?). He guesses the second one is the trial run for the same robot which is mapping out the maze. The top vid is then the competition to see how fast your robot can run the maze with the map it previously mapped. The software challenge there I suppose is to find the shortest path. The mechanical challenge would be to build the most fastest and most agile robot. Thanks for the link - he's now looking for mouse maze competitions in San Diego. We also looked at the soccer playing robots. R -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Friday, November 25, 2011 7:15 AM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] OT: Robot Solves maze in a stunning 3.9 seconds Hi Arthur The first one seems to "know" which route to go. How is that? /gustav >>> fuller.artful at gmail.com 25-11-2011 15:48 >>> This must be seen to be believed. http://www.geek.com/articles/chips/min7-micromouse-robot-solves-maze-in-3-92 1-seconds-20111122/ The second video shows another robot in the competition, which by comparison looks moronic. -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Thirty spokes converge on a hub but it's the emptiness that makes a wheel work -- from the Daodejing From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Fri Nov 25 10:50:45 2011 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2011 08:50:45 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: Robot Solves maze in a stunning 3.9 seconds In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9F92F87361ED4826BCFCF1A78A9E1413@HAL9007> In fact a review of the two vids shows the same contestant #131. R -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Friday, November 25, 2011 8:48 AM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] OT: Robot Solves maze in a stunning 3.9 seconds Hi Rocky Thanks to Noah. Now it makes sense. /gustav >>> rockysmolin at bchacc.com 25-11-2011 17:30 >>> I showed it to Noah, my in-house robotics consultant (remember, he bragged, how they took second last year in the First robotics international competition in Saint Louis?). He guesses the second one is the trial run for the same robot which is mapping out the maze. The top vid is then the competition to see how fast your robot can run the maze with the map it previously mapped. The software challenge there I suppose is to find the shortest path. The mechanical challenge would be to build the most fastest and most agile robot. Thanks for the link - he's now looking for mouse maze competitions in San Diego. We also looked at the soccer playing robots. R -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Friday, November 25, 2011 7:15 AM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] OT: Robot Solves maze in a stunning 3.9 seconds Hi Arthur The first one seems to "know" which route to go. How is that? /gustav >>> fuller.artful at gmail.com 25-11-2011 15:48 >>> This must be seen to be believed. http://www.geek.com/articles/chips/min7-micromouse-robot-solves-maze-in-3-92 1-seconds-20111122/ The second video shows another robot in the competition, which by comparison looks moronic. -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Thirty spokes converge on a hub but it's the emptiness that makes a wheel work -- from the Daodejing _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Fri Nov 25 11:33:30 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2011 09:33:30 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: Robot Solves maze in a stunning 3.9 seconds In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0C8E14E7139140A3A01770256AA62EAB@creativesystemdesigns.com> Cool. One robot demonstrated how the maze would be resolved using a simple brute force algorithm and the other robot obviously had a much more sophisticated set of programming. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Friday, November 25, 2011 6:48 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: Robot Solves maze in a stunning 3.9 seconds This must be seen to be believed. http://www.geek.com/articles/chips/min7-micromouse-robot-solves-maze-in-3-92 1-seconds-20111122/ The second video shows another robot in the competition, which by comparison looks moronic. -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Thirty spokes converge on a hub but it's the emptiness that makes a wheel work -- from the Daodejing _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Fri Nov 25 11:33:34 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2011 12:33:34 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Getting started in Cloud services In-Reply-To: References: <2C56B56912404C33BF5DB0ACF017388E@creativesystemdesigns.com> <11827A5C-112A-4C5A-9A0B-57260B3895C4@phulse.com> <5E52D675B4934232A8E11F3CFAF396A3@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: I just received my approval to join this, compete with a temp password and an instructions for downloading vmc and a few other things, plus links to tutorial references etc. Just in time for the weekend. A. On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 12:00 AM, Hans-Christian Andersen < hans.andersen at phulse.com> wrote: > It's a completely different kind of product but with a similar logo :) > > Best regards, > Hans-Christian Andersen > > From accessd at shaw.ca Fri Nov 25 11:48:08 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2011 09:48:08 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: Robot Solves maze in a stunning 3.9 seconds In-Reply-To: <9F92F87361ED4826BCFCF1A78A9E1413@HAL9007> References: <9F92F87361ED4826BCFCF1A78A9E1413@HAL9007> Message-ID: <6B8F8DBD9A59400094314AE57E751147@creativesystemdesigns.com> Well if Noah could build a set of robots that could mow people's lawns that would be impressive. ;-) The current group of those devices just seem to run a random route, criss-crossing the same spots a number of times until they have to stop and recharge. If there are a number of such robots on the lawn, they don't seem to communicate that the other has completed a section. Eventually, they will finish doing the lawn, but the day would have to be very sunny, you would start early and they would take all day. What would be nice is if such a robot(s) could start a one place, work together in groups and work across the lawns in a logical order leaving nice patterns on the grass. ...And most importantly, keep to the lawn area. Now that would be an impressive maze challenge IMHO. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Friday, November 25, 2011 8:51 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] OT: Robot Solves maze in a stunning 3.9 seconds In fact a review of the two vids shows the same contestant #131. R -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Friday, November 25, 2011 8:48 AM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] OT: Robot Solves maze in a stunning 3.9 seconds Hi Rocky Thanks to Noah. Now it makes sense. /gustav >>> rockysmolin at bchacc.com 25-11-2011 17:30 >>> I showed it to Noah, my in-house robotics consultant (remember, he bragged, how they took second last year in the First robotics international competition in Saint Louis?). He guesses the second one is the trial run for the same robot which is mapping out the maze. The top vid is then the competition to see how fast your robot can run the maze with the map it previously mapped. The software challenge there I suppose is to find the shortest path. The mechanical challenge would be to build the most fastest and most agile robot. Thanks for the link - he's now looking for mouse maze competitions in San Diego. We also looked at the soccer playing robots. R -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Friday, November 25, 2011 7:15 AM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] OT: Robot Solves maze in a stunning 3.9 seconds Hi Arthur The first one seems to "know" which route to go. How is that? /gustav >>> fuller.artful at gmail.com 25-11-2011 15:48 >>> This must be seen to be believed. http://www.geek.com/articles/chips/min7-micromouse-robot-solves-maze-in-3-92 1-seconds-20111122/ The second video shows another robot in the competition, which by comparison looks moronic. -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Thirty spokes converge on a hub but it's the emptiness that makes a wheel work -- from the Daodejing _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From tinanfields at torchlake.com Fri Nov 25 12:22:04 2011 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2011 13:22:04 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Getting started in Cloud services In-Reply-To: References: <2C56B56912404C33BF5DB0ACF017388E@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <4ECFDCCC.1090905@torchlake.com> Me, too. T Tina Norris Fields tinanfields at torchlake.com 231-322-2787 On 11/24/2011 7:14 PM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > Just signed up. We shall see what we shall see. Intrigued... > A. > > On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 6:07 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > >> Getting involved with proprietary products, within a fledgling market, >> especially in the computer world has always been a potential road to >> disaster...one that may cost a company millions of dollars and with nothing >> to show for their efforts. >> >> The cloud is such a market, with so many offerings in where and how to host >> your products and development. There is Microsoft Azure, Google App Engine, >> or Amazon Web Services to name but a few. What has emerged is an Open >> Source >> competitor. >> >> http://www.cloudfoundry.com/ >> >> It is even being used and supported by HP; also, a supporter of Azure but >> it >> seems the company is keeping its options open. >> >> Check this product out and get ready for your next business venture. >> >> Jim >> > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From tinanfields at torchlake.com Fri Nov 25 12:32:03 2011 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2011 13:32:03 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: Robot Solves maze in a stunning 3.9 seconds In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4ECFDF23.20900@torchlake.com> That is all so cool! I just have to forward this to my family's robotics aficionado. He recently came to a family celebration with his line-following robots to amaze and astonish us. He will certainly get a kick out of this! T Tina Norris Fields tinanfields at torchlake.com 231-322-2787 On 11/25/2011 11:30 AM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > I showed it to Noah, my in-house robotics consultant (remember, he bragged, > how they took second last year in the First robotics international > competition in Saint Louis?). > > He guesses the second one is the trial run for the same robot which is > mapping out the maze. The top vid is then the competition to see how fast > your robot can run the maze with the map it previously mapped. The software > challenge there I suppose is to find the shortest path. The mechanical > challenge would be to build the most fastest and most agile robot. > > Thanks for the link - he's now looking for mouse maze competitions in San > Diego. We also looked at the soccer playing robots. > > > R > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock > Sent: Friday, November 25, 2011 7:15 AM > To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] OT: Robot Solves maze in a stunning 3.9 seconds > > Hi Arthur > > The first one seems to "know" which route to go. How is that? > > /gustav > > >>>> fuller.artful at gmail.com 25-11-2011 15:48>>> > This must be seen to be believed. > > http://www.geek.com/articles/chips/min7-micromouse-robot-solves-maze-in-3-92 > 1-seconds-20111122/ > > The second video shows another robot in the competition, which by comparison > looks moronic. > -- > Arthur > Cell: 647.710.1314 > > Thirty spokes converge on a hub > but it's the emptiness > that makes a wheel work > -- from the Daodejing > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From tinanfields at torchlake.com Fri Nov 25 12:34:51 2011 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2011 13:34:51 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Getting started in Cloud services In-Reply-To: <4ECFDCCC.1090905@torchlake.com> References: <2C56B56912404C33BF5DB0ACF017388E@creativesystemdesigns.com> <4ECFDCCC.1090905@torchlake.com> Message-ID: <4ECFDFCB.80407@torchlake.com> Just got my invite! T Tina Norris Fields tinanfields at torchlake.com 231-322-2787 On 11/25/2011 1:22 PM, Tina Norris Fields wrote: > Me, too. > T > > Tina Norris Fields > tinanfields at torchlake.com > 231-322-2787 > > > On 11/24/2011 7:14 PM, Arthur Fuller wrote: >> Just signed up. We shall see what we shall see. Intrigued... >> A. >> >> On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 6:07 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: >> >>> Getting involved with proprietary products, within a fledgling market, >>> especially in the computer world has always been a potential road to >>> disaster...one that may cost a company millions of dollars and with >>> nothing >>> to show for their efforts. >>> >>> The cloud is such a market, with so many offerings in where and how >>> to host >>> your products and development. There is Microsoft Azure, Google App >>> Engine, >>> or Amazon Web Services to name but a few. What has emerged is an Open >>> Source >>> competitor. >>> >>> http://www.cloudfoundry.com/ >>> >>> It is even being used and supported by HP; also, a supporter of >>> Azure but >>> it >>> seems the company is keeping its options open. >>> >>> Check this product out and get ready for your next business venture. >>> >>> Jim >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sat Nov 26 10:31:33 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2011 11:31:33 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Random Signature Selection Message-ID: Is it possible within Gmail to create several signatures, each with a pithy aphorism, to which collection I would like to add frequently, as I stumble upon pithy aphorisms, and then have Gmail pluck one random selection from the list of signatures? In the event that such a method does not yet exist, and assuming that I knew where this data was stored, I might be able to roll my own. So, in that event, does anyone know where Gmail stores the Signature data? TIA. A. -- Cell: 647.710.1314 How to keep a secret among three people? Two bullets. From ssharkins at gmail.com Sat Nov 26 10:46:38 2011 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2011 11:46:38 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Random Signature Selection References: Message-ID: There's probably an add-in for it already, but I can't point you to one. Susan H. > Is it possible within Gmail to create several signatures, each with a > pithy > aphorism, to which collection I would like to add frequently, as I stumble > upon pithy aphorisms, and then have Gmail pluck one random selection from > the list of signatures? In the event that such a method does not yet > exist, > and assuming that I knew where this data was stored, I might be able to > roll my own. So, in that event, does anyone know where Gmail stores the > Signature data? From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sat Nov 26 11:25:38 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2011 12:25:38 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: Blogging Message-ID: I have the same problem, and am trying to work out a solution. From my inspections thus far, a site can be set up for next to nothing (1+1 for example, not to cite them as the best deal available, but merely one example). From then on, it's up to your content and your ability to attract readers, and possibly and eventually advertisers willing to help you fund the costs. Should it happen that you go Viral, then the rest is up to your accounting+marketing skills -- of which I have neither, so on this topic I hereby shut my mouth. Given my age-stage etc. I am placing more of my focus on political issues than programming issues, which makes my prospective web site a tad problematic. I don't see any easy way out of this dilemma, but in the meantime I'm still in the planning/panning/applauding stages... and planning to include literary and musical reviews as well. I'm aging but remain eclectic, and still read five books a week -- the best defence against Alzheimer's. And I too like to write, about databases, movies, books, music and politics. Not sure how to organize this (assuming that it can be organized), and not sure who would want to read it, but heck, I'm semi-retired, and it's that or watch TV, which since I only receive the minimal number of channels, is the last resort of the ignorati. But at least the channels I am able to receive don't carry Jerry Springer, so to that extent I'm relatively safe. On the other hand, I still have serious battles with CRTC, but that's another story. A. On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 11:38 AM, Mark Simms wrote: > When I saw this post of the hanselman blog, it made me think about starting > up a blog. > I love to write. > That being said, anyone have good or bad experiences with certain blog > service sites ? > I've looked at this: http://blog-services-review.toptenreviews.com/ > And it appears Wordpress is the best. > However, I am worried about censorship....language, etc. > Do they warn you first, or just shut down your blog ? > In other words, how closely monitored are these services ? > Another option of course, is to get my own site, but then I have to > purchase > the software and templates, etc. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd- > > bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby > > Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2011 9:28 AM > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving; VBA; Sqlserver- > > Dba > > Subject: [AccessD] Five Absolutely Essential Utilities that make > > Windows better - Scott Hanselman > > > > > > -- > > John W. Colby > > Colby Consulting > > > > Reality is what refuses to go away > > when you do not believe in it > > http://www.hanselman.com/blog/FiveAbsolutelyEssentialUtilitiesThatMakeW > > indowsBetter.aspx > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Cell: 647.710.1314 Thirty spokes converge on a hub but it's the emptiness that makes a wheel work -- from the Daodejing From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Sat Nov 26 11:38:37 2011 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2011 09:38:37 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] FW: FW: Random Signature Selection Message-ID: <6344D54FA9F04CE9832B08E93BE969FC@HAL9007> >From Noah " Online email apps like Gmail or Yahoo aren't left out. You can easily add a quote to your compose window using a hotkey. The default is Win Key + Q (the Win Key+hotkey combo is configurable from the settings page of the program)." r _____ From: Noah Sutton-Smolin [mailto:heedleblambeedle at gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2011 9:10 AM To: Rocky Smolin Subject: Re: FW: [dba-Tech] Random Signature Selection http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/quotes-insert-random-quotes-email-signatures-wi ndows/ It links into Outlook automatically, but there is a shortcut (winkey+q) to paste a random quote. On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 8:59 AM, Rocky Smolin wrote: any idea? -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2011 8:32 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Random Signature Selection Is it possible within Gmail to create several signatures, each with a pithy aphorism, to which collection I would like to add frequently, as I stumble upon pithy aphorisms, and then have Gmail pluck one random selection from the list of signatures? In the event that such a method does not yet exist, and assuming that I knew where this data was stored, I might be able to roll my own. So, in that event, does anyone know where Gmail stores the Signature data? TIA. A. -- Cell: 647.710.1314 How to keep a secret among three people? Two bullets. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From hans.andersen at phulse.com Sat Nov 26 11:49:38 2011 From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen) Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2011 09:49:38 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: Blogging In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: You can set up a blog at virtually no cost. Wordpress is free to download and so is Xamp or Wamp. Thats all you need to get a blog up and running and you don't have to worry about censorship. The only cost would be purchasing the domain. Best regards, Hans-Christian Andersen On 26 Nov 2011, at 09:25, Arthur Fuller wrote: > I have the same problem, and am trying to work out a solution. From my > inspections thus far, a site can be set up for next to nothing (1+1 for > example, not to cite them as the best deal available, but merely one > example). From then on, it's up to your content and your ability to attract > readers, and possibly and eventually advertisers willing to help you fund > the costs. Should it happen that you go Viral, then the rest is up to your > accounting+marketing skills -- of which I have neither, so on this topic I > hereby shut my mouth. > > Given my age-stage etc. I am placing more of my focus on political issues > than programming issues, which makes my prospective web site a tad > problematic. I don't see any easy way out of this dilemma, but in the > meantime I'm still in the planning/panning/applauding stages... and > planning to include literary and musical reviews as well. I'm aging but > remain eclectic, and still read five books a week -- the best defence > against Alzheimer's. And I too like to write, about databases, movies, > books, music and politics. Not sure how to organize this (assuming that it > can be organized), and not sure who would want to read it, but heck, I'm > semi-retired, and it's that or watch TV, which since I only receive the > minimal number of channels, is the last resort of the ignorati. But at > least the channels I am able to receive don't carry Jerry Springer, so to > that extent I'm relatively safe. On the other hand, I still have serious > battles with CRTC, but that's another story. > > A. > > On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 11:38 AM, Mark Simms wrote: > >> When I saw this post of the hanselman blog, it made me think about starting >> up a blog. >> I love to write. >> That being said, anyone have good or bad experiences with certain blog >> service sites ? >> I've looked at this: http://blog-services-review.toptenreviews.com/ >> And it appears Wordpress is the best. >> However, I am worried about censorship....language, etc. >> Do they warn you first, or just shut down your blog ? >> In other words, how closely monitored are these services ? >> Another option of course, is to get my own site, but then I have to >> purchase >> the software and templates, etc. >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd- >>> bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby >>> Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2011 9:28 AM >>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving; VBA; Sqlserver- >>> Dba >>> Subject: [AccessD] Five Absolutely Essential Utilities that make >>> Windows better - Scott Hanselman >>> >>> >>> -- >>> John W. Colby >>> Colby Consulting >>> >>> Reality is what refuses to go away >>> when you do not believe in it >>> http://www.hanselman.com/blog/FiveAbsolutelyEssentialUtilitiesThatMakeW >>> indowsBetter.aspx >>> -- >>> AccessD mailing list >>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > > > > -- > Cell: 647.710.1314 > > Thirty spokes converge on a hub > but it's the emptiness > that makes a wheel work > -- from the Daodejing > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sat Nov 26 12:36:10 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2011 13:36:10 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: Blogging In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I think I can afford to purchase a domain. Unfortunately, most of the good ones are taken, but hey, I'm creative, I'll come up with something. A. On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 12:49 PM, Hans-Christian Andersen < hans.andersen at phulse.com> wrote: > You can set up a blog at virtually no cost. Wordpress is free to download > and so is Xamp or Wamp. Thats all you need to get a blog up and running and > you don't have to worry about censorship. The only cost would be purchasing > the domain. > > Best regards, > Hans-Christian Andersen > > From kathryn at bassett.net Sat Nov 26 12:43:50 2011 From: kathryn at bassett.net (Kathryn Bassett) Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2011 10:43:50 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: Blogging In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <00b001ccac6b$571cdfd0$05569f70$@net> > I think I can afford to purchase a domain. Unfortunately, most of the good > ones are taken, but hey, I'm creative, I'll come up with something. No need to be totally creative, these are available: arthurfuller.com fuller.coop -- Kathryn Rhinehart Bassett (Pasadena CA) "Genealogy is my bag" "GH is my soap" kathryn at bassett.net http://bassett.net?? From fuller.artful at gmail.com Mon Nov 28 09:36:20 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 10:36:20 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Data-modelling problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Let's arbitrarily say that Child 1 = Locations Child 2 = Machines Child 3 = Contacts A given Customer has at least one location, in which reside one or more machines. Said Customer also has a number of Contact points, which could relate to the Customer (chief contact) or the Location (LocationContact) or the specific Machine (MachineContact). Given the current muddy waters vis-a-vis globalization, the Euro crisis, etc., it may well occur, and in some cases already has, that said Company shrinks from 5 locations to 3, moving some Machines from their defunct Locations to their new Locations. In that event, chances are that the Contact will not remain the same, because she may not be willing to move from Moscow to Vladivostok (although I would opt for the move LOL, it's one big step closer to Canada; but I digress). A Customer has Locations. A Location has Machines. A Machine may or may not have a ContactPerson. In the event that no Contact is associated with a Machine, then the Contact person relates to the Location, and in the event that there is no LocationContact, then the Contact person belongs to the Company. The related combo-boxes are easy. My difficulties arise when Company X needs to close Location Y, and hence move Machines x, y and z to Locations 1, 2 and Scrap. I am trying to figure out the UI for such events. The underlying SQL code is trivial, well at least for me, given a few years in this business, but that is neither here nor there. How to present the collapse of a Location and the movement of its assets (Machines) to another Location, owned by the given Customer, and also allow the possibility of Sale to some other party? Fortunately, all this is still on the drawing-board stage, so it's basically on my nickel not said Client, and that's cool with me. Once I finally solve this problem, I shall be able to genericise it and publish a chapter about it LOL. This is the life of a person mostly retired. "I keep trying to get out, but they keep dragging me back in." -- GodFather II. Time was, all I had to do was databases, and whack a couple of people now and then. Now I gotta fight viruses and such, and protecting Michael Coreleone has become a serious job! Like not only my eyes, but cyber-spies and so forth, and if I make one mistake then... well let's not describe that outcome. I am the Tom Hagen figure in this novel, close but not Sicilian, never accepted and only at best tolerated thanks to Michael Corleone. That's how life is. I can walk into serious contracts if I choose to play ball with certain baseball players. I choose not to go down said path. The mob is into the provincial and federal governments, and any dumb reporter wouldn't have to overturn many leaves to reveal this. I'm up for a 3-month contract in tech-writing. I have two choices: say Yes to certain people and kick back a percentage, or alternatively take my chances in the swimming pool. Choice One is pretty much guaranteed; Choice Two is pretty much guaranteed to Not Land the Gig, I opt for Choice Two. I am absolutely unwilling to buy into this corrupt system. No thanks! I will subsist on welfate rather than suffer this shyte. A. P.S. According to research performed with 40,000 survey-takers, in many nations and across many languages, this is the world's funniest joke. Two hunters are in the forest. One calls out to the other and gets no response. He searches for and then finds his buddy, who is lying perfectly still and his eyes are not blinking. He reaches for his cell phone and calls Emergency Medical Services. He says to the operator, "Help. My friend is dead! What should I do?" The EMS operator says, "First things first. Let's make sure he's dead." A moment's silence, then a gunshot is heard. Guy gets back on his cell phone and says, "Ok. Now what?" From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Tue Nov 29 16:03:27 2011 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 08:03:27 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Tech Republic covers PowerBasic In-Reply-To: <19C081089DA0440CA35A797372F39676@XPS> References: , <72007FFD-9FE3-4F5F-B714-20E41BF5896C@phulse.com>, <19C081089DA0440CA35A797372F39676@XPS> Message-ID: <4ED556AF.18111.176913B9@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> A few of you may be vaguely aware that I occassionally use PowerBasic :-) Here's an interview with the founder, Bob Zale on Tech Republic http://goo.gl/KtZIE From fuller.artful at gmail.com Wed Nov 30 07:51:56 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 08:51:56 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Random Numbers at Last Message-ID: >From slashdot: *"An Ottawa physicist is using laser light to create truly random numbers much faster than other methods do, with obvious potential benefits to cryptography: 'Sussman's Ottawa lab uses a pulse of laser light that lasts a few trillionths of a second. His team shines it at a diamond. The light goes in and comes out again, but along the way, it changes. ... It is changed because it has interacted with quantum vacuum fluctuations, the microscopic flickering of the amount of energy in a point in space. ... What happens to the light is unknown ? and unknowable. Sussman's lab can measure the pulses of laser light that emerge from this mysterious transformation, and the measurements are random in a way that nothing in our ordinary surroundings is. Those measurements are his random numbers.'"* -- A. Cell: 647.710.1314 Thirty spokes converge on a hub but it's the emptiness that makes a wheel work -- from the Daodejing From fuller.artful at gmail.com Tue Nov 1 09:26:42 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 10:26:42 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] How to make a complex URL look simple Message-ID: I have a friend who set a world record in the frisbee department. He has asked me how to transform a long and ugly URL into something much friendlier. Here is the ugly link, followed by his preferred URL name. Can this be done, and if so how so? "Can I get this link http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=aEk0AAAAIBAJ&sjid=c2cEAAAAIBAJ&pg=4766,2115121&dq=ken-westerfield&hl=en to look like this *Sarasota Herald-Tribune - May 21, 1978* and still link to the same article? If so, could you show me the code?" Hoping that it can be done. From hans.andersen at phulse.com Tue Nov 1 11:07:09 2011 From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen) Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 09:07:09 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] How to make a complex URL look simple In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Arthur, I'm not quite sure if you mean that he simply wants to have a simple url or if he wants to implement some code in some pre-existing codebase to do this, but tinyurl.com lets you customise your urls. Here is an example I made for you. http://tinyurl.com/Sarasota-HeraldTribune-21May78 There is one caveat, which is that there is a limit to how long your custom url is (with tinyurl anyways), so this was the best I could do. * Hans-Christian Andersen **Web Application Developer, Vancouver, Canada* *Unique Gifts, Collectables, Artwork* *Come one, come all to.... *www.corinnajasmine.com * * On 1 November 2011 07:26, Arthur Fuller wrote: > I have a friend who set a world record in the frisbee department. He has > asked me how to transform a long and ugly URL into something much > friendlier. Here is the ugly link, followed by his preferred URL name. Can > this be done, and if so how so? > > "Can I get this link > > http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=aEk0AAAAIBAJ&sjid=c2cEAAAAIBAJ&pg=4766,2115121&dq=ken-westerfield&hl=en > > to look like this > > *Sarasota Herald-Tribune - May 21, 1978* > > and still link to the same article? If so, could you show me the code?" > > Hoping that it can be done. > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From bheid at sc.rr.com Tue Nov 1 16:44:13 2011 From: bheid at sc.rr.com (Bobby Heid) Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 17:44:13 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] How to make a complex URL look simple In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000001cc98df$65e335e0$31a9a1a0$@sc.rr.com> And if you are talking about for use in an Outlook email (probably other clients also) or Word document, paste the URL into the document, right-click on the URL, and select edit hyperlink. The Link Text (I think that is what it is called) is what you would set to Sarasota Herald-Tribune - May 21, 1978. Bobby -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hans-Christian Andersen Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2011 12:07 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] How to make a complex URL look simple Hi Arthur, I'm not quite sure if you mean that he simply wants to have a simple url or if he wants to implement some code in some pre-existing codebase to do this, but tinyurl.com lets you customise your urls. Here is an example I made for you. http://tinyurl.com/Sarasota-HeraldTribune-21May78 There is one caveat, which is that there is a limit to how long your custom url is (with tinyurl anyways), so this was the best I could do. * Hans-Christian Andersen **Web Application Developer, Vancouver, Canada* *Unique Gifts, Collectables, Artwork* *Come one, come all to.... *www.corinnajasmine.com * * On 1 November 2011 07:26, Arthur Fuller wrote: > I have a friend who set a world record in the frisbee department. He has > asked me how to transform a long and ugly URL into something much > friendlier. Here is the ugly link, followed by his preferred URL name. Can > this be done, and if so how so? > > "Can I get this link > > http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=aEk0AAAAIBAJ&sjid=c2cEAAAAIBAJ&pg=4766, 2115121&dq=ken-westerfield&hl=en > > to look like this > > *Sarasota Herald-Tribune - May 21, 1978* > > and still link to the same article? If so, could you show me the code?" > > Hoping that it can be done. From jon.tydda at lonza.com Thu Nov 3 10:13:16 2011 From: jon.tydda at lonza.com (Tydda Jon - Slough) Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2011 16:13:16 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Opening a pdf via hyperlink in Excel Message-ID: Hi all I've got a bit of a strange problem with an Excel document. It's got hyperlinks in it to pdf documents, and when you click on these links, I get the message "Cannot open the specified file". This problem exists on Windows 7 computers, with combinations of Office 2003 SP3, Office 2010 SP1, Acrobat 9 and Acrobat X (I've tried it on machines with varying patch levels, including our standard install of 9.3.0, and my install of 9.4.6. I even removed that from my pc and upgraded to X.1.1. I'm just wondering if there's a setting somewhere that I need to tick or untick, or a library I need to add or something. Can anyone help? 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From fuller.artful at gmail.com Fri Nov 4 14:10:35 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 15:10:35 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Friday Humour: A Unique Screen Cleaner Message-ID: Check this out: http://www.horness.com/tools/screenclean.swf Arthur From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sat Nov 5 04:19:54 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2011 05:19:54 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Google tweaks to stifle Bing Message-ID: This from slashdot: *"As Bing gets closer to capturing almost 33% of the market share in the U.S., Google has again made a large tweak to its algorithms to provide more up-to-the-minute search results. The change affects around 35% of queries and is intended to give users more recent news and stories. For breaking news stories the search engine will now weight more heavily the most recent coverage, and not just those sites that are linked the most, and for general terms the search engine values fresh content more than old. Google is hoping that these recent new changes will provide better search experience and stops users from switching over to Bing, which just recently launched its own GroupOn like site."** **Arthur* From accessd at shaw.ca Sat Nov 5 11:03:16 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2011 09:03:16 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] The end of an era In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Microsoft may be gaining in the search engine market but people will be less likely to be using the IE browser to do that searching with. Considering that, IE is built into every Windows package sold, the browser use, for the first time has dropped below 50 percent. Its use has been dropping at about a half a percent a month for the last 5 years and the steady decent has not altered even with (and maybe because of) 3 new versions in three years. http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2011/11/the-end-of-an-era-internet-exp lorer-drops-below-50-percent-of-web-usage.ars Let us hope that MS fully adopts W3C standard HTML5 and CSS3 and becomes fully compliant with the industry standards. Then and only then, that downhill drop will stop. Jim From hans.andersen at phulse.com Sat Nov 5 21:03:46 2011 From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen) Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2011 19:03:46 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Google tweaks to stifle Bing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4CB95F05-4476-41C5-A582-AED301A6EA8B@phulse.com> I find the claim of a (close to) 33% market share for Bing rather incredible. I don't know how accurate or reliable Experian Hitwise are as sources. But, assuming for the moment that it is accurate, I'd be curious to see whether there is a relationship between Windows 7 adoption and Bing adoption. Hans-Christian Andersen Web & Mobile App Engineer, Vancouver, Canada E: hans at phulse.com W: http://www.foxtailapps.com/ T: +1 604 789 3331 L: http://www.linkedin.com/in/andersenhc Unique Gifts, Collectables, Artwork Come one, come all to.... www.corinnajasmine.com On 2011-11-05, at 2:19 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > This from slashdot: > > *"As Bing gets closer to capturing almost 33% of the market share in the > U.S., Google has again made a large tweak to its > algorithms > to > provide more up-to-the-minute search results. The change affects around 35% > of queries and is intended to give users more recent news and stories. For > breaking news stories the search engine will now weight more heavily the > most recent coverage, and not just those sites that are linked the most, > and for general terms the search engine values fresh content more than old. > Google is hoping that these recent new changes will provide better search > experience and stops users from switching over to Bing, which just recently > launched its own GroupOn like site."** > **Arthur* > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Sat Nov 5 23:40:01 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2011 21:40:01 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Google tweaks to stifle Bing In-Reply-To: <4CB95F05-4476-41C5-A582-AED301A6EA8B@phulse.com> References: <4CB95F05-4476-41C5-A582-AED301A6EA8B@phulse.com> Message-ID: <0BDB2A1C7F7A4D379305C23833B41DF6@creativesystemdesigns.com> Ha ha... I think you have stumbled on to it. It is just like equating the number of people using the IE browser with the number of Windows products sold. In real life, it doesn't work that way. As soon as a new Windows desktop is setup most people go about changing their browser (to anything but IE) and therefore their search engine (to anything but Bing)...that is why the stats on browser use and search engine use, according to the previous article posting, do not jive. Its just MS salesman talk. ;-) Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hans-Christian Andersen Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2011 7:04 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Google tweaks to stifle Bing I find the claim of a (close to) 33% market share for Bing rather incredible. I don't know how accurate or reliable Experian Hitwise are as sources. But, assuming for the moment that it is accurate, I'd be curious to see whether there is a relationship between Windows 7 adoption and Bing adoption. Hans-Christian Andersen Web & Mobile App Engineer, Vancouver, Canada E: hans at phulse.com W: http://www.foxtailapps.com/ T: +1 604 789 3331 L: http://www.linkedin.com/in/andersenhc Unique Gifts, Collectables, Artwork Come one, come all to.... www.corinnajasmine.com On 2011-11-05, at 2:19 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > This from slashdot: > > *"As Bing gets closer to capturing almost 33% of the market share in the > U.S., Google has again made a large tweak to its > algorithms > to > provide more up-to-the-minute search results. The change affects around 35% > of queries and is intended to give users more recent news and stories. For > breaking news stories the search engine will now weight more heavily the > most recent coverage, and not just those sites that are linked the most, > and for general terms the search engine values fresh content more than old. > Google is hoping that these recent new changes will provide better search > experience and stops users from switching over to Bing, which just recently > launched its own GroupOn like site."** > **Arthur* > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Mon Nov 7 07:45:20 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 08:45:20 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Three new elements make it into the periodic table Message-ID: >From slashdot: Three new elements get official backing [image: cn.jpg]*By Hamish Johnston* Darmstadtium (Ds), roentgenium (Rg) and copernicium (Cn) are here to stay now that the International Union of Pure and Applied Physics (IUPAP) has approved the names of these three new elements. The good news came yesterday at the General Assembly of IUPAP,which is running this week at the Institute of Physics (IOP) in London. Robert Kirby-Harris, chief executive of the IOP and secretary-general of IUPAP, said, ?The naming of these elements has been agreed in consultation with physicists around the world and we?re delighted to see them now being introduced to the periodic table.? The approval ends the long process of naming a new element, which typically begins with its discovery at a nuclear physics lab. Indeed, these latest three were all discovered at the GSI lab near the German city of Darmstadt ? which lent its name to Ds. Both Rg and Ds were first spotted in 1994 and have 111 and 110 protons, respectively. With an atomic number of 112, Cn first burst on the scene in 1996. Why has it taken so long for official approval? After GSI announced a discovery, it had to be reproduced at another facility ? and then both the International Union of Pure and Applied Chemistry (IUPAC) and IUPAP had to be convinced of the discovery. Then, the scientists who made the discovery suggest a name to the IUPAC/IUPAP Joint Working Party on the Discovery of Elements, which then recommends that the name be adopted. Finally, the name must be adopted by the General Assembly of IUPAP. If you?d like to know more about how these and other elements were found, we?ve just published an article by Paddy Regan, a nuclear physicist at the University of Surrey who works on the RISINGcollaboration at GSI. You can read it here . Arthur From fuller.artful at gmail.com Mon Nov 7 08:54:32 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 09:54:32 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Suggestions for a Utility to create ISOs from audio CDs Message-ID: I just downloaded and installed ISODisk but was immediately stymied. It said it only supports creation from data CDs. I need to make copies of a set of discs that are Cantonese lessons. Any suggestions, anyone? TIA, Arthur From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Nov 7 10:19:59 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 08:19:59 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Three new elements make it into the periodic table In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <92321DB6D07C4D2889F97D84CFA4B8BA@creativesystemdesigns.com> That is always interesting stuff...generally not that useful as these elements probably have a half-life of a few milli-seconds (on earth). ;-) I see from Google that it is Marie Curie's 144th birthday. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Monday, November 07, 2011 5:45 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Three new elements make it into the periodic table >From slashdot: Three new elements get official backing [image: cn.jpg]*By Hamish Johnston* Darmstadtium (Ds), roentgenium (Rg) and copernicium (Cn) are here to stay now that the International Union of Pure and Applied Physics (IUPAP) has approved the names of these three new elements. The good news came yesterday at the General Assembly of IUPAP,which is running this week at the Institute of Physics (IOP) in London. Robert Kirby-Harris, chief executive of the IOP and secretary-general of IUPAP, said, "The naming of these elements has been agreed in consultation with physicists around the world and we're delighted to see them now being introduced to the periodic table." The approval ends the long process of naming a new element, which typically begins with its discovery at a nuclear physics lab. Indeed, these latest three were all discovered at the GSI lab near the German city of Darmstadt - which lent its name to Ds. Both Rg and Ds were first spotted in 1994 and have 111 and 110 protons, respectively. With an atomic number of 112, Cn first burst on the scene in 1996. Why has it taken so long for official approval? After GSI announced a discovery, it had to be reproduced at another facility - and then both the International Union of Pure and Applied Chemistry (IUPAC) and IUPAP had to be convinced of the discovery. Then, the scientists who made the discovery suggest a name to the IUPAC/IUPAP Joint Working Party on the Discovery of Elements, which then recommends that the name be adopted. Finally, the name must be adopted by the General Assembly of IUPAP. If you'd like to know more about how these and other elements were found, we've just published an article by Paddy Regan, a nuclear physicist at the University of Surrey who works on the RISINGcollaboration at GSI. You can read it here . Arthur _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Nov 7 10:26:05 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 08:26:05 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Suggestions for a Utility to create ISOs from audio CDs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I generally use imgburn (http://www.imgburn.com/ )for all my ISO building and burning needs. It appears that isodisk just has the abilty to mount an iso as a drive and view the results just as you can scan a zip file before opening it...is that correct? Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Monday, November 07, 2011 6:55 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Suggestions for a Utility to create ISOs from audio CDs I just downloaded and installed ISODisk but was immediately stymied. It said it only supports creation from data CDs. I need to make copies of a set of discs that are Cantonese lessons. Any suggestions, anyone? TIA, Arthur _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Mon Nov 7 11:16:26 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 12:16:26 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Suggestions for a Utility to create ISOs from audio CDs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: ImgBurn is the one I settled on, too. Yes, I think you're right about ISODisk. A. On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 11:26 AM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > I generally use imgburn (http://www.imgburn.com/ )for all my ISO building > and burning needs. It appears that isodisk just has the abilty to mount an > iso as a drive and view the results just as you can scan a zip file before > opening it...is that correct? > > Jim > > From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Nov 7 11:20:10 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 09:20:10 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Why is IE6 still here? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1EAA4563139C47DB84E0037AB458BC75@creativesystemdesigns.com> IE6 has been the bane of most web developers for years and has cost companies collectively millions of dollars as extra fee that have to be charged every time IE6 has to be supported. So why does IE6 still exist? In one, word "Asia". See the link to the following article: http://www.troyhunt.com/2010/08/aye-pirates-be-reason-ie6-just-wont-die.html The one point that the article does not mention is that the current Windows adoptions, per package runs at about $400.00 (Interestingly, an OEM version is about $50 and sold with a computer sells for $400.00). All the countries that have not adopted the latest versions of Windows are doing so as the entrance fee for the product is somewhere around 6 months salary, for most of Asia or the price of a car or down payment on a house. Aside: I do wonder why the Asian market has not just abandoned Windows products and adopted Linux as the OS of choice as FireFox has become the world-wide browser of choice...but that is another question that I do not have any answers for. If anyone else has, any ideas I would love to hear them. Jim From jon.tydda at lonza.com Mon Nov 7 11:25:41 2011 From: jon.tydda at lonza.com (Tydda Jon - Slough) Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 18:25:41 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Why is IE6 still here? In-Reply-To: <1EAA4563139C47DB84E0037AB458BC75@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <1EAA4563139C47DB84E0037AB458BC75@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: Because it's harder to sell fake copies of Linux? :-P Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: 07 November 2011 17:20 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Why is IE6 still here? IE6 has been the bane of most web developers for years and has cost companies collectively millions of dollars as extra fee that have to be charged every time IE6 has to be supported. So why does IE6 still exist? In one, word "Asia". See the link to the following article: http://www.troyhunt.com/2010/08/aye-pirates-be-reason-ie6-just-wont-die.html The one point that the article does not mention is that the current Windows adoptions, per package runs at about $400.00 (Interestingly, an OEM version is about $50 and sold with a computer sells for $400.00). All the countries that have not adopted the latest versions of Windows are doing so as the entrance fee for the product is somewhere around 6 months salary, for most of Asia or the price of a car or down payment on a house. Aside: I do wonder why the Asian market has not just abandoned Windows products and adopted Linux as the OS of choice as FireFox has become the world-wide browser of choice...but that is another question that I do not have any answers for. If anyone else has, any ideas I would love to hear them. Jim _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com This communication and its attachments, if any, may contain confidential and privileged information the use of which by other persons or entities than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you receive this transmission in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete the material from your system. From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Nov 7 11:48:42 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 09:48:42 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Why is IE6 still here? In-Reply-To: References: <1EAA4563139C47DB84E0037AB458BC75@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <81A45E5268544300AACF7721EE1E7458@creativesystemdesigns.com> It sure is as they cost nothing but an investment in time. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tydda Jon - Slough Sent: Monday, November 07, 2011 9:26 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Why is IE6 still here? Because it's harder to sell fake copies of Linux? :-P Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: 07 November 2011 17:20 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Why is IE6 still here? IE6 has been the bane of most web developers for years and has cost companies collectively millions of dollars as extra fee that have to be charged every time IE6 has to be supported. So why does IE6 still exist? In one, word "Asia". See the link to the following article: http://www.troyhunt.com/2010/08/aye-pirates-be-reason-ie6-just-wont-die.html The one point that the article does not mention is that the current Windows adoptions, per package runs at about $400.00 (Interestingly, an OEM version is about $50 and sold with a computer sells for $400.00). All the countries that have not adopted the latest versions of Windows are doing so as the entrance fee for the product is somewhere around 6 months salary, for most of Asia or the price of a car or down payment on a house. Aside: I do wonder why the Asian market has not just abandoned Windows products and adopted Linux as the OS of choice as FireFox has become the world-wide browser of choice...but that is another question that I do not have any answers for. If anyone else has, any ideas I would love to hear them. Jim _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com This communication and its attachments, if any, may contain confidential and privileged information the use of which by other persons or entities than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you receive this transmission in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete the material from your system. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Mon Nov 7 15:03:26 2011 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Tue, 08 Nov 2011 07:03:26 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Why is IE6 still here? In-Reply-To: References: , <1EAA4563139C47DB84E0037AB458BC75@creativesystemdesigns.com>, Message-ID: <4EB8479E.23042.18F03A83@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Here, buy this cheap copy of Windows... Now, I've also got a list of hundreds of commercial windows packages here plus lots of games all of which run on the Windows you just bought. How many of these would you like to buy as well :-) -- Stuart On 7 Nov 2011 at 18:25, Tydda Jon - Slough wrote: > Because it's harder to sell fake copies of Linux? :-P > > > Jon > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim > Lawrence Sent: 07 November 2011 17:20 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and > Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Why is IE6 still here? > > IE6 has been the bane of most web developers for years and has cost > companies collectively millions of dollars as extra fee that have to > be charged every time IE6 has to be supported. > > So why does IE6 still exist? In one, word "Asia". > > See the link to the following article: > http://www.troyhunt.com/2010/08/aye-pirates-be-reason-ie6-just-wont-di > e.html > > The one point that the article does not mention is that the current > Windows adoptions, per package runs at about $400.00 (Interestingly, > an OEM version is about $50 and sold with a computer sells for > $400.00). All the countries that have not adopted the latest versions > of Windows are doing so as the entrance fee for the product is > somewhere around 6 months salary, for most of Asia or the price of a > car or down payment on a house. > > Aside: I do wonder why the Asian market has not just abandoned Windows > products and adopted Linux as the OS of choice as FireFox has become > the world-wide browser of choice...but that is another question that I > do not have any answers for. If anyone else has, any ideas I would > love to hear them. > > Jim > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > This communication and its attachments, if any, may contain > confidential and privileged information the use of which by other > persons or entities than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you > receive this transmission in error, please contact the sender > immediately and delete the material from your system. > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From fuller.artful at gmail.com Tue Nov 8 10:47:26 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 11:47:26 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Laser Puts New Spin on Light Message-ID: This from physicsworld: Laser puts a new spin on light Nov 7, 2011 A new type of pulsed laser that modulates the polarization of its emitted light very rapidly has been created by researchers in Germany and Scotland. The polarization modulation occurs much faster than the intensity modulation normally used in optical telecoms systems ? and the resulting polarization pulses could increase dramatically the speed of fibre-optic communications. [image: Schematic diagram showing spin-polarized electrons in a laser] Spin boosts laser Modern telecoms systems encode information in pulses of laser light that are then sent along optical fibres. This is an incredibly efficient method of transmitting information, but its speed is ultimately limited by the rate at which the intensity of the laser can be modulated, since this dictates how long it takes to encode data into a train of pulses. With a traditional, intensity-modulated laser, the maximum achievable modulation rate is about 40 GHz. Now Nils Gerhardt and colleagues at the Ruhr-Universitat Bochum, together with a colleague at the University of Strathclyde in Glasgow, have worked out a way to use electron spin to boost the modulation speed of a semiconductor laser ? something that physicists have been working on for several years. Lowering the energy threshold In a standard semiconductor laser there are equal numbers of spin-up and spin-down electrons, so spin plays no part in its operation. However, physicists know that if the relative proportion of charge carriers in either spin state can be increased, this lowers the amount of energy that must be put into the laser before it starts emitting light ? called the lasing threshold. But sustaining this spin imbalance ? or polarization ? at room temperature has proven extremely difficult because thermal energy will randomize the spin in a few picoseconds. So Gerhardt and colleagues created waves of spin polarization in the semiconductor by blasting it with very short pulses of polarized light from another laser. While the electrons themselves still lose their spin polarization rapidly, some is passed on to photons, which then re-polarize the charge carriers. Such spin oscillations between photons and electrons last about 200 times longer than the electron spin polarization itself. And there was a more interesting feature to the Bochum group's laser. In contrast to the light from a standard semiconductor laser, which has no net polarization, the polarization of the light oscillated rapidly because of the coupling of the photon spins with the electron spins. While this switching had been demonstrated before, the polarization modulation rate had always been pegged to the intensity modulation rate. To 100 GHz and beyond Gerhardt and colleagues used their technique to modulate the polarization of the light from a 4 GHz laser at 11.6 GHz. This is still slower than state-of-the-art intensity-modulated lasers, but the researchers believe that it should be possible to improve on this. "Principally, you can go to over 100 GHz," explained Gerhardt. "We've shown it theoretically, but first we have to develop a device and that's what we're currently doing." Physicist Igor Zutic of the State University of New York at Buffalo is impressed. "I would say this is a very exciting proof of principle and probably showing us the tip of the iceberg of what may be possible with these spin lasers," he says. However, Zutic and Gerhardt both agree that before such a spin laser can be commercially viable, it must be possible to excite the spin oscillations without another laser. This would involve injecting spin-polarized electrons into the laser ? a process so far realized only at cryogenic temperatures. "Some of the advances that are now pursued in very different areas ? such as magnetic hard drives and magnetic random-access memory ? are based on better magnets and better methods of electrical spin injection," concludes Zutic. "A broader view of these developments may allow useful transfer of knowledge." The work is described in *Appl. Phys. Lett.* *99* 151107 . Arthur -- Cell: 647.710.1314 Thirty spokes converge on a hub but it's the emptiness that makes a wheel work -- from the Daodejing From accessd at shaw.ca Tue Nov 8 17:05:09 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 15:05:09 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Why is IE6 still here? In-Reply-To: <4EB8479E.23042.18F03A83@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <1EAA4563139C47DB84E0037AB458BC75@creativesystemdesigns.com> <4EB8479E.23042.18F03A83@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: Personally, I do not play any games. It is not that I do not like them, or do not think the graphics in them is sometimes magnificent; it is just that it is just another addiction that I wish to avoid. ;-) Besides most of the best games are now being delieved through the web. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Monday, November 07, 2011 1:03 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Why is IE6 still here? Here, buy this cheap copy of Windows... Now, I've also got a list of hundreds of commercial windows packages here plus lots of games all of which run on the Windows you just bought. How many of these would you like to buy as well :-) -- Stuart On 7 Nov 2011 at 18:25, Tydda Jon - Slough wrote: > Because it's harder to sell fake copies of Linux? :-P > > > Jon > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim > Lawrence Sent: 07 November 2011 17:20 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and > Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Why is IE6 still here? > > IE6 has been the bane of most web developers for years and has cost > companies collectively millions of dollars as extra fee that have to > be charged every time IE6 has to be supported. > > So why does IE6 still exist? In one, word "Asia". > > See the link to the following article: > http://www.troyhunt.com/2010/08/aye-pirates-be-reason-ie6-just-wont-di > e.html > > The one point that the article does not mention is that the current > Windows adoptions, per package runs at about $400.00 (Interestingly, > an OEM version is about $50 and sold with a computer sells for > $400.00). All the countries that have not adopted the latest versions > of Windows are doing so as the entrance fee for the product is > somewhere around 6 months salary, for most of Asia or the price of a > car or down payment on a house. > > Aside: I do wonder why the Asian market has not just abandoned Windows > products and adopted Linux as the OS of choice as FireFox has become > the world-wide browser of choice...but that is another question that I > do not have any answers for. If anyone else has, any ideas I would > love to hear them. > > Jim > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > This communication and its attachments, if any, may contain > confidential and privileged information the use of which by other > persons or entities than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you > receive this transmission in error, please contact the sender > immediately and delete the material from your system. > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Tue Nov 8 17:15:22 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 15:15:22 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Laser Puts New Spin on Light In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I can hardly wait for this type of communications to be delivered to all residents. When I can just drag and drop a 500GB file, from a friend, in say some remote corner of the planet like PNG and just drop the file to another friend living in some place in Splitlip, Saskatchewan and the response is similar to the speed you would experience moving a file for one spot on a drive to a another place on the same drive, we are not done yet. ;-) Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 8:47 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Laser Puts New Spin on Light This from physicsworld: Laser puts a new spin on light Nov 7, 2011 A new type of pulsed laser that modulates the polarization of its emitted light very rapidly has been created by researchers in Germany and Scotland. The polarization modulation occurs much faster than the intensity modulation normally used in optical telecoms systems - and the resulting polarization pulses could increase dramatically the speed of fibre-optic communications. [image: Schematic diagram showing spin-polarized electrons in a laser] Spin boosts laser Modern telecoms systems encode information in pulses of laser light that are then sent along optical fibres. This is an incredibly efficient method of transmitting information, but its speed is ultimately limited by the rate at which the intensity of the laser can be modulated, since this dictates how long it takes to encode data into a train of pulses. With a traditional, intensity-modulated laser, the maximum achievable modulation rate is about 40 GHz. Now Nils Gerhardt and colleagues at the Ruhr-Universitat Bochum, together with a colleague at the University of Strathclyde in Glasgow, have worked out a way to use electron spin to boost the modulation speed of a semiconductor laser - something that physicists have been working on for several years. Lowering the energy threshold In a standard semiconductor laser there are equal numbers of spin-up and spin-down electrons, so spin plays no part in its operation. However, physicists know that if the relative proportion of charge carriers in either spin state can be increased, this lowers the amount of energy that must be put into the laser before it starts emitting light - called the lasing threshold. But sustaining this spin imbalance - or polarization - at room temperature has proven extremely difficult because thermal energy will randomize the spin in a few picoseconds. So Gerhardt and colleagues created waves of spin polarization in the semiconductor by blasting it with very short pulses of polarized light from another laser. While the electrons themselves still lose their spin polarization rapidly, some is passed on to photons, which then re-polarize the charge carriers. Such spin oscillations between photons and electrons last about 200 times longer than the electron spin polarization itself. And there was a more interesting feature to the Bochum group's laser. In contrast to the light from a standard semiconductor laser, which has no net polarization, the polarization of the light oscillated rapidly because of the coupling of the photon spins with the electron spins. While this switching had been demonstrated before, the polarization modulation rate had always been pegged to the intensity modulation rate. To 100 GHz and beyond Gerhardt and colleagues used their technique to modulate the polarization of the light from a 4 GHz laser at 11.6 GHz. This is still slower than state-of-the-art intensity-modulated lasers, but the researchers believe that it should be possible to improve on this. "Principally, you can go to over 100 GHz," explained Gerhardt. "We've shown it theoretically, but first we have to develop a device and that's what we're currently doing." Physicist Igor Zutic of the State University of New York at Buffalo is impressed. "I would say this is a very exciting proof of principle and probably showing us the tip of the iceberg of what may be possible with these spin lasers," he says. However, Zutic and Gerhardt both agree that before such a spin laser can be commercially viable, it must be possible to excite the spin oscillations without another laser. This would involve injecting spin-polarized electrons into the laser - a process so far realized only at cryogenic temperatures. "Some of the advances that are now pursued in very different areas - such as magnetic hard drives and magnetic random-access memory - are based on better magnets and better methods of electrical spin injection," concludes Zutic. "A broader view of these developments may allow useful transfer of knowledge." The work is described in *Appl. Phys. Lett.* *99* 151107 . Arthur -- Cell: 647.710.1314 Thirty spokes converge on a hub but it's the emptiness that makes a wheel work -- from the Daodejing _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Tue Nov 8 17:31:03 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 18:31:03 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Laser Puts New Spin on Light In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: You wouldn't even have time to find it scary. A. On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 6:15 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > I can hardly wait for this type of communications to be delivered to all > residents. > > When I can just drag and drop a 500GB file, from a friend, in say some > remote corner of the planet like PNG and just drop the file to another > friend living in some place in Splitlip, Saskatchewan and the response is > similar to the speed you would experience moving a file for one spot on a > drive to a another place on the same drive, we are not done yet. ;-) > > Jim > > From hans.andersen at phulse.com Tue Nov 8 18:07:27 2011 From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen) Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 16:07:27 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Why is IE6 still here? In-Reply-To: References: <1EAA4563139C47DB84E0037AB458BC75@creativesystemdesigns.com> <4EB8479E.23042.18F03A83@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: Hi Jim, From personal experience, I can tell you that in probably most places in Asia you can walk into any IT shop and buy a DVD that contains a copy of Windows, several software packages like Photoshop etc, and a few fun games all for the price of $20 or less. Then you need to factor in Windows Genuine Advantage (therefore, no Windows Updates). Saying that, it wouldn't be a whole lot different here, if it weren't for the enforcement of the Windows tax into the price of buying new hardware. A hilarious case in point: You can even find fake Apple stores -> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-14503724 - Hans On 2011-11-08, at 3:05 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Personally, I do not play any games. > > It is not that I do not like them, or do not think the graphics in them is > sometimes magnificent; it is just that it is just another addiction that I > wish to avoid. ;-) > > Besides most of the best games are now being delieved through the web. > > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan > Sent: Monday, November 07, 2011 1:03 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Why is IE6 still here? > > Here, buy this cheap copy of Windows... > > Now, I've also got a list of hundreds of commercial windows packages here > plus lots of > games all of which run on the Windows you just bought. How many of these > would you like to > buy as well :-) > > > -- > Stuart > > On 7 Nov 2011 at 18:25, Tydda Jon - Slough wrote: > >> Because it's harder to sell fake copies of Linux? :-P >> >> >> Jon >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim >> Lawrence Sent: 07 November 2011 17:20 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and >> Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Why is IE6 still here? >> >> IE6 has been the bane of most web developers for years and has cost >> companies collectively millions of dollars as extra fee that have to >> be charged every time IE6 has to be supported. >> >> So why does IE6 still exist? In one, word "Asia". >> >> See the link to the following article: >> http://www.troyhunt.com/2010/08/aye-pirates-be-reason-ie6-just-wont-di >> e.html >> >> The one point that the article does not mention is that the current >> Windows adoptions, per package runs at about $400.00 (Interestingly, >> an OEM version is about $50 and sold with a computer sells for >> $400.00). All the countries that have not adopted the latest versions >> of Windows are doing so as the entrance fee for the product is >> somewhere around 6 months salary, for most of Asia or the price of a >> car or down payment on a house. >> >> Aside: I do wonder why the Asian market has not just abandoned Windows >> products and adopted Linux as the OS of choice as FireFox has become >> the world-wide browser of choice...but that is another question that I >> do not have any answers for. If anyone else has, any ideas I would >> love to hear them. >> >> Jim >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> This communication and its attachments, if any, may contain >> confidential and privileged information the use of which by other >> persons or entities than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you >> receive this transmission in error, please contact the sender >> immediately and delete the material from your system. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Tue Nov 8 18:18:58 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 16:18:58 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Why is IE6 still here? In-Reply-To: References: <1EAA4563139C47DB84E0037AB458BC75@creativesystemdesigns.com> <4EB8479E.23042.18F03A83@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: Hi Hans: As if, we didn't see that coming or suspect it. After all, the companies that make the Apple products are right there and who knows what slips out the back door for the right price. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hans-Christian Andersen Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 4:07 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Why is IE6 still here? Hi Jim, >From personal experience, I can tell you that in probably most places in Asia you can walk into any IT shop and buy a DVD that contains a copy of Windows, several software packages like Photoshop etc, and a few fun games all for the price of $20 or less. Then you need to factor in Windows Genuine Advantage (therefore, no Windows Updates). Saying that, it wouldn't be a whole lot different here, if it weren't for the enforcement of the Windows tax into the price of buying new hardware. A hilarious case in point: You can even find fake Apple stores -> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-14503724 - Hans On 2011-11-08, at 3:05 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Personally, I do not play any games. > > It is not that I do not like them, or do not think the graphics in them is > sometimes magnificent; it is just that it is just another addiction that I > wish to avoid. ;-) > > Besides most of the best games are now being delieved through the web. > > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan > Sent: Monday, November 07, 2011 1:03 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Why is IE6 still here? > > Here, buy this cheap copy of Windows... > > Now, I've also got a list of hundreds of commercial windows packages here > plus lots of > games all of which run on the Windows you just bought. How many of these > would you like to > buy as well :-) > > > -- > Stuart > > On 7 Nov 2011 at 18:25, Tydda Jon - Slough wrote: > >> Because it's harder to sell fake copies of Linux? :-P >> >> >> Jon >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim >> Lawrence Sent: 07 November 2011 17:20 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and >> Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Why is IE6 still here? >> >> IE6 has been the bane of most web developers for years and has cost >> companies collectively millions of dollars as extra fee that have to >> be charged every time IE6 has to be supported. >> >> So why does IE6 still exist? In one, word "Asia". >> >> See the link to the following article: >> http://www.troyhunt.com/2010/08/aye-pirates-be-reason-ie6-just-wont-di >> e.html >> >> The one point that the article does not mention is that the current >> Windows adoptions, per package runs at about $400.00 (Interestingly, >> an OEM version is about $50 and sold with a computer sells for >> $400.00). All the countries that have not adopted the latest versions >> of Windows are doing so as the entrance fee for the product is >> somewhere around 6 months salary, for most of Asia or the price of a >> car or down payment on a house. >> >> Aside: I do wonder why the Asian market has not just abandoned Windows >> products and adopted Linux as the OS of choice as FireFox has become >> the world-wide browser of choice...but that is another question that I >> do not have any answers for. If anyone else has, any ideas I would >> love to hear them. >> >> Jim >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> This communication and its attachments, if any, may contain >> confidential and privileged information the use of which by other >> persons or entities than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you >> receive this transmission in error, please contact the sender >> immediately and delete the material from your system. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From hans.andersen at phulse.com Tue Nov 8 18:24:59 2011 From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen) Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 16:24:59 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Why is IE6 still here? In-Reply-To: References: <1EAA4563139C47DB84E0037AB458BC75@creativesystemdesigns.com> <4EB8479E.23042.18F03A83@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <3D5DF366-2350-4A9A-9367-3707B8DE0559@phulse.com> That's nothing new. Whats hilarious is that they went to the extent of copying the Apple store. The layout, colour, logo, wearing blue shirts and the id cards? everything. You would think it was a real Apple store. Except it isn't. There are more pictures here: http://www.psfk.com/2011/07/china-fakes-an-entire-apple-store-pics.html One blogger noted that she began to think that even the employees there were under the belief they worked for Apple Corp. - Hans On 2011-11-08, at 4:18 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Hi Hans: > > As if, we didn't see that coming or suspect it. After all, the companies > that make the Apple products are right there and who knows what slips out > the back door for the right price. > > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hans-Christian > Andersen > Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 4:07 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Why is IE6 still here? > > > Hi Jim, > > From personal experience, I can tell you that in probably most places in > Asia you can walk into any IT shop and buy a DVD that contains a copy of > Windows, several software packages like Photoshop etc, and a few fun games > all for the price of $20 or less. Then you need to factor in Windows Genuine > Advantage (therefore, no Windows Updates). > > Saying that, it wouldn't be a whole lot different here, if it weren't for > the enforcement of the Windows tax into the price of buying new hardware. > > A hilarious case in point: You can even find fake Apple stores -> > http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-14503724 > > > - Hans > > > On 2011-11-08, at 3:05 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > >> Personally, I do not play any games. >> >> It is not that I do not like them, or do not think the graphics in them is >> sometimes magnificent; it is just that it is just another addiction that I >> wish to avoid. ;-) >> >> Besides most of the best games are now being delieved through the web. >> >> Jim >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart > McLachlan >> Sent: Monday, November 07, 2011 1:03 PM >> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues >> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Why is IE6 still here? >> >> Here, buy this cheap copy of Windows... >> >> Now, I've also got a list of hundreds of commercial windows packages here >> plus lots of >> games all of which run on the Windows you just bought. How many of these >> would you like to >> buy as well :-) >> >> >> -- >> Stuart >> >> On 7 Nov 2011 at 18:25, Tydda Jon - Slough wrote: >> >>> Because it's harder to sell fake copies of Linux? :-P >>> >>> >>> Jon >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim >>> Lawrence Sent: 07 November 2011 17:20 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and >>> Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Why is IE6 still here? >>> >>> IE6 has been the bane of most web developers for years and has cost >>> companies collectively millions of dollars as extra fee that have to >>> be charged every time IE6 has to be supported. >>> >>> So why does IE6 still exist? In one, word "Asia". >>> >>> See the link to the following article: >>> http://www.troyhunt.com/2010/08/aye-pirates-be-reason-ie6-just-wont-di >>> e.html >>> >>> The one point that the article does not mention is that the current >>> Windows adoptions, per package runs at about $400.00 (Interestingly, >>> an OEM version is about $50 and sold with a computer sells for >>> $400.00). All the countries that have not adopted the latest versions >>> of Windows are doing so as the entrance fee for the product is >>> somewhere around 6 months salary, for most of Asia or the price of a >>> car or down payment on a house. >>> >>> Aside: I do wonder why the Asian market has not just abandoned Windows >>> products and adopted Linux as the OS of choice as FireFox has become >>> the world-wide browser of choice...but that is another question that I >>> do not have any answers for. If anyone else has, any ideas I would >>> love to hear them. >>> >>> Jim >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> dba-Tech mailing list >>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>> >>> This communication and its attachments, if any, may contain >>> confidential and privileged information the use of which by other >>> persons or entities than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you >>> receive this transmission in error, please contact the sender >>> immediately and delete the material from your system. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> dba-Tech mailing list >>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Wed Nov 9 03:42:08 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 04:42:08 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Bill Gates explains his support of a Tobin tax Message-ID: See this interview with BBC: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-15565963 -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Thirty spokes converge on a hub but it's the emptiness that makes a wheel work -- from the Daodejing From fuller.artful at gmail.com Wed Nov 9 03:51:17 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 04:51:17 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Hate to be on this cleanup crew Message-ID: >From slashdot: Soon the loud passenger who's had too much to drink on your red-eye flight will be the least of your travel worries. Ryanair Airlines chief Michael O'Leary plans to launch an app that will allow passengers to watch porn on their tablets and smartphones during flight. Mr O'Leary told the Sun: "I'm not talking about having it on screens on the back of seats for everyone to see. It would be on handheld devices. Hotels around the world have it, so why wouldn't we?" Best of all, the app could also be used to gamble or play games in case you got bored during the speaking parts of your in-flight adult movie. -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Thirty spokes converge on a hub but it's the emptiness that makes a wheel work -- from the Daodejing From accessd at shaw.ca Wed Nov 9 10:14:43 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 08:14:43 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] the IT market In-Reply-To: <4EB067CB.7080100@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4EB04C35.4010201@colbyconsulting.com> <4EB065BF.29082.9E6B0FA@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <4EB067CB.7080100@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <3A1BA62CC701425080FC90220A0FC274@creativesystemdesigns.com> As the IT, market is dramatically, changing the people here now have a chance to grade their current endeavors. http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/career/grade-your-job-it-programmer/3622?ta g=nl.e101 Jim From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sat Nov 12 06:27:54 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 07:27:54 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Country Regions Message-ID: I already have the ISO list of countries. I would now like a list of CountryRegions (thereby sidestepping the issue of whether we call them States or Provinces or Cantons, etc.). Does anyone know of such a list and if so, a download URL? -- Cell: 647.710.1314 Thirty spokes converge on a hub but it's the emptiness that makes a wheel work -- from the Daodejing From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sat Nov 12 10:48:30 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 11:48:30 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Seeking graphics-skilled person Message-ID: CBC is running a contest for a new logo. I have what I think is a great idea, but am totally without graphic skills. What I have in mind is an animated graphic that takes about 4 seconds to unfold. Other than beginning image, nothing else external is required; from there on in, it's strictly (I think) manipulation of the initial image. There's $5K at stake in this contest. There's no second-place, it's winner take all. I have the concept and a 30-year-old familiarity with CBC radio, to the point where I never change channels. That is part of the reason I would love to win this contest. But to realize my vision, I need a partner who knows her/his way around graphics and animation. If you're interested, please contact me off-list and I can show/tell you what I have in mind. I don't think it's terribly difficult to do, but embedded as I am in the world of databases, I have no idea about what tools are available to the graphically-inclined. Chances are, it might result in a waste of your time. On the other hand, should we win, there's $5K to the winner. -- A. Cell: 647.710.1314 Thirty spokes converge on a hub but it's the emptiness that makes a wheel work -- from the Daodejing From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sat Nov 12 14:34:47 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 15:34:47 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Careful now! Message-ID: This from BBC News (indirectly)... Times of India Men who have sex with animals are twice as likely to develop cancer of the penis, a new study has found. A team of urologists from centres around Brazil looked at risk factors for penile cancer in men and conducted a study on 492 men ranging in age ... And so on. Who would have thunk it, that you could find 492 men who'd admit to having sex with animals? I think I need to move to another planet. This one is too forkin' weird. -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Thirty spokes converge on a hub but it's the emptiness that makes a wheel work -- from the Daodejing From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Sat Nov 12 15:36:30 2011 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2011 07:36:30 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Careful now! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4EBEE6DE.13743.13EC021A@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> You had me intrigued by your interpretation of the the statistic so I binged it (I refuse to use google any more because of the way they have started "gaming" search results0. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/45206258/ns/health-mens_health/t/sex-animals-linked-penis-c ancer/ 462 men from rural Brazil who attended a urology and oncology clinic. Included both penile cancer patients and healthy men. 118 had cancer, so 344 did not. 45% of cancer patients admitted to SWA = 53 32% of non cancer patients did = 110 So that's 163 who admitted it, not 462. But it's still 35% of the sample population and one of researchers said he was not surprised by that percentage! On 12 Nov 2011 at 15:34, Arthur Fuller wrote: > This from BBC News (indirectly)... > > Times of India > Men who have sex with animals are twice as likely to develop cancer of the > penis, a new study has found. A team of urologists from centres around > Brazil looked at risk factors for penile cancer in men and conducted a > study on 492 men ranging in age ... > > And so on. Who would have thunk it, that you could find 492 men who'd admit > to having sex with animals? > > I think I need to move to another planet. This one is too forkin' weird. > From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sat Nov 12 16:11:25 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 17:11:25 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Careful now! In-Reply-To: <4EBEE6DE.13743.13EC021A@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <4EBEE6DE.13743.13EC021A@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: The whopping stat is that so many men have admitted to having sex with animals. To be fair, a couple of women in my life have been rather randy, but I would hesitate to call them animals, so we are left with the other (presumably mammalian) species. I have not forked any other species than homo-sapiens, so far, anyway, but that little red squirrel is Hot LOL. Nah, I just don't think it's in my gene pool. I'm capable of straying, but not that far. A. On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 4:36 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote: > You had me intrigued by your interpretation of the the statistic so I > binged it (I refuse to use > google any more because of the way they have started "gaming" search > results0. > > > From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Sat Nov 12 16:30:39 2011 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 14:30:39 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Careful now! In-Reply-To: References: <4EBEE6DE.13743.13EC021A@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: Inanimate objects? (OK-it's the weekend...) R -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2011 2:11 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Careful now! The whopping stat is that so many men have admitted to having sex with animals. To be fair, a couple of women in my life have been rather randy, but I would hesitate to call them animals, so we are left with the other (presumably mammalian) species. I have not forked any other species than homo-sapiens, so far, anyway, but that little red squirrel is Hot LOL. Nah, I just don't think it's in my gene pool. I'm capable of straying, but not that far. A. On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 4:36 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote: > You had me intrigued by your interpretation of the the statistic so I > binged it (I refuse to use google any more because of the way they > have started "gaming" search results0. > > > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From john at winhaven.net Sat Nov 12 21:56:49 2011 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 21:56:49 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Careful now! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <006b01cca1b8$45625b70$d0271250$@winhaven.net> How ironic, I just got this in an email. I don't know if it's true or not though: CONDOM HISTORY: In 1272 the Arabic Muslims invented the condom, using a goat's lower intestine. In 1873 the British somewhat refined the idea by taking the intestine out of the goat first. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2011 2:35 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Careful now! This from BBC News (indirectly)... Times of India Men who have sex with animals are twice as likely to develop cancer of the penis, a new study has found. A team of urologists from centres around Brazil looked at risk factors for penile cancer in men and conducted a study on 492 men ranging in age ... And so on. Who would have thunk it, that you could find 492 men who'd admit to having sex with animals? I think I need to move to another planet. This one is too forkin' weird. -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Thirty spokes converge on a hub but it's the emptiness that makes a wheel work -- from the Daodejing _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sat Nov 12 22:17:53 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 23:17:53 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Bar-code scanner Message-ID: My friend Douglas is looking for a hand-held bar-code scanner. It's a non-commercial application. He is a serious wine collector with a cellar containing about 4K bottles (seriously, and that estimate may be on the light side). He wants to scan all the available bar-codes and then hook up said scanner to the db I built for him, and ultimately we'd like to hook to some wine-database on the Net so we can grab all the info via the bar-code. I have a program called "ANT Movie Catalog" that does this for movies: type in the title and it reaches out to the Net and grabs the info for the selected movie (producer, director, author, year-released, etc.). Incidentally, this program is free and it is a wonderful creation. I would like to do the same for wine-collectors. I am not one of these; my problem is that whenever I purchase a bottle I immediately consume it. My friend overcomes this by buying cases not individual bottles. Anyway, he has several thousand bottles and has been duly recording them in a series of XL worksheets. I have imported all his recorded data into an Access db, but a bunch of useful info is lacking. I want to do this: a) scan the bar-codes b) reach out to the Net and obtain the useful data (Country, Region, Vintage, etc.) c) upsert the data into the Access table. This is a non-profit operation, so any free avenues are invaluable, so to speak. Any suggestions are most welcome. Beginning with the hardware: a hand-held bar-code scanner that can read the labels on his wine-bottles; reaching out to the Net for further info is Step Two. Can anyone recommend a hand-held bar-code scanner that hooks up to a desktop once he returns from the wine-cellar, having scanned numerous bottles? Incidentally, I cannot praise ANT Movie Catalog enough. It is a superb program, and should you happen to be a compulsive collector (as I am) of DVD movies, this is a program that you need; and it's free! I want to do what he has done, but for wines rather than movies. Any ideas, suggestions, etc. are most welcome. -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Thirty spokes converge on a hub but it's the emptiness that makes a wheel work -- from the Daodejing From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sun Nov 13 08:30:44 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2011 09:30:44 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Robots play table tennis Message-ID: This is priceless. For everything else it's MasterCard (or something)... http://www.i-programmer.info/news/169-robotics/3223-ping-pong-robots.html -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Thirty spokes converge on a hub but it's the emptiness that makes a wheel work -- from the Daodejing From fuller.artful at gmail.com Mon Nov 14 02:43:10 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 03:43:10 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] One more day Message-ID: In one day I'll turn 64, so please send lawyers, guns and money! Sheesh, time flies like an arrow, and flies love a banana. Tunderin' Jaysus, one minute a Young Turk and the next an Old Fart. Ah, well. Life goes on and off (the Ruby on Rails). -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Thirty spokes converge on a hub but it's the emptiness that makes a wheel work -- from the Daodejing From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk Mon Nov 14 02:59:39 2011 From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid) Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 08:59:39 +0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] One more day Message-ID: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB082957B97A7856F@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk> Happy early birthday Arthur. 51 soon myself and being 18 seems like yesterday I think mentally I still am stuck at about that age. Martin Sent from my Windows Phone ________________________________ From: Arthur Fuller Sent: 14/11/2011 08:43 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] One more day In one day I'll turn 64, so please send lawyers, guns and money! Sheesh, time flies like an arrow, and flies love a banana. Tunderin' Jaysus, one minute a Young Turk and the next an Old Fart. Ah, well. Life goes on and off (the Ruby on Rails). -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Thirty spokes converge on a hub but it's the emptiness that makes a wheel work -- from the Daodejing _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Mon Nov 14 03:11:17 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 04:11:17 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] One more day In-Reply-To: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB082957B97A7856F@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk> References: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB082957B97A7856F@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk> Message-ID: Which undoubtedly means that every spring chicken arouses you. Enjoy it while it lasts. On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 3:59 AM, Martin Reid wrote: > Happy early birthday Arthur. 51 soon myself and being 18 seems like > yesterday I think mentally I still am stuck at about that age. > > Martin > > From poc231st at hotmail.com Mon Nov 14 06:34:45 2011 From: poc231st at hotmail.com (Patti OConnor) Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 07:34:45 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] One more day In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Happy Birthday Arthur - have a great day enjoy yourself thanks for all your help over the years Patricia (Patti) O'Connor On 11/14/2011 03:43 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > In one day I'll turn 64, so please send lawyers, guns and money! Sheesh, > time flies like an arrow, and flies love a banana. Tunderin' Jaysus, one > minute a Young Turk and the next an Old Fart. Ah, well. Life goes on and > off (the Ruby on Rails). > From ssharkins at gmail.com Mon Nov 14 06:52:52 2011 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 07:52:52 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] One more day References: Message-ID: Happy Birthday old fart! ;) Susan H. > In one day I'll turn 64, so please send lawyers, guns and money! Sheesh, > time flies like an arrow, and flies love a banana. Tunderin' Jaysus, one > minute a Young Turk and the next an Old Fart. Ah, well. Life goes on and > off (the Ruby on Rails). > From fuller.artful at gmail.com Mon Nov 14 07:16:26 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 08:16:26 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] One more day In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks, you young Turks! On this ponderous day, my last at 63, several questions continue to vex me: 1. Why all the emphasis on searching for intelligent life in the universe? What about non-itelligent life? Why set the bar so high? 2. How come there are no non-food banks? Poor people need other things besides food, you know -- detergent, shoe polish, pencil sharpeners. The list goes on. 3. Is it really true that every non-prime number is the product of two primes? 4. Is it really true that the summed digits of every multiple of 9 equal 9? (e.g. 9 x 10 = 99, 9+9=18, 1+8 =9)? 5. Is the real reason nobody's come up with a cure for psoriasis that it's more profitable to sell me ointments? So much to think about in my twilight years :) A. On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 7:52 AM, Susan Harkins wrote: > Happy Birthday old fart! ;) > Susan H. > > In one day I'll turn 64, so please send lawyers, guns and money! Sheesh, >> time flies like an arrow, and flies love a banana. Tunderin' Jaysus, one >> minute a Young Turk and the next an Old Fart. Ah, well. Life goes on and >> off (the Ruby on Rails). >> >> > ______________________________**_________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com > -- Cell: 647.710.1314 Thirty spokes converge on a hub but it's the emptiness that makes a wheel work -- from the Daodejing From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Mon Nov 14 08:10:22 2011 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 06:10:22 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] One more day In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6C8CB1BCD6234B9AA7F7D0D8C119AB8B@HAL9007> Try to have a good time anyway. Remember, 64 is the...uh...new 63. Best Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Monday, November 14, 2011 12:43 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] One more day In one day I'll turn 64, so please send lawyers, guns and money! Sheesh, time flies like an arrow, and flies love a banana. Tunderin' Jaysus, one minute a Young Turk and the next an Old Fart. Ah, well. Life goes on and off (the Ruby on Rails). -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Thirty spokes converge on a hub but it's the emptiness that makes a wheel work -- from the Daodejing _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Mon Nov 14 08:17:57 2011 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 06:17:57 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] One more day In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: If you're driving a car at the speed of light and you turn on the headlights, does anything happen? R -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Monday, November 14, 2011 5:16 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] One more day Thanks, you young Turks! On this ponderous day, my last at 63, several questions continue to vex me: 1. Why all the emphasis on searching for intelligent life in the universe? What about non-itelligent life? Why set the bar so high? 2. How come there are no non-food banks? Poor people need other things besides food, you know -- detergent, shoe polish, pencil sharpeners. The list goes on. 3. Is it really true that every non-prime number is the product of two primes? 4. Is it really true that the summed digits of every multiple of 9 equal 9? (e.g. 9 x 10 = 99, 9+9=18, 1+8 =9)? 5. Is the real reason nobody's come up with a cure for psoriasis that it's more profitable to sell me ointments? So much to think about in my twilight years :) A. On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 7:52 AM, Susan Harkins wrote: > Happy Birthday old fart! ;) > Susan H. > > In one day I'll turn 64, so please send lawyers, guns and money! > Sheesh, >> time flies like an arrow, and flies love a banana. Tunderin' Jaysus, >> one minute a Young Turk and the next an Old Fart. Ah, well. Life goes >> on and off (the Ruby on Rails). >> >> > ______________________________**_________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/dba-tech eadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech> > Website: > http://www.databaseadvisors.**com > -- Cell: 647.710.1314 Thirty spokes converge on a hub but it's the emptiness that makes a wheel work -- from the Daodejing _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Mon Nov 14 08:19:13 2011 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 06:19:13 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] One more day In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7CF0002291654D90947265BB1BB51CA7@HAL9007> If nothing sticks to Teflon, how do they get it on the pan? R -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Monday, November 14, 2011 5:16 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] One more day Thanks, you young Turks! On this ponderous day, my last at 63, several questions continue to vex me: 1. Why all the emphasis on searching for intelligent life in the universe? What about non-itelligent life? Why set the bar so high? 2. How come there are no non-food banks? Poor people need other things besides food, you know -- detergent, shoe polish, pencil sharpeners. The list goes on. 3. Is it really true that every non-prime number is the product of two primes? 4. Is it really true that the summed digits of every multiple of 9 equal 9? (e.g. 9 x 10 = 99, 9+9=18, 1+8 =9)? 5. Is the real reason nobody's come up with a cure for psoriasis that it's more profitable to sell me ointments? So much to think about in my twilight years :) A. On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 7:52 AM, Susan Harkins wrote: > Happy Birthday old fart! ;) > Susan H. > > In one day I'll turn 64, so please send lawyers, guns and money! > Sheesh, >> time flies like an arrow, and flies love a banana. Tunderin' Jaysus, >> one minute a Young Turk and the next an Old Fart. Ah, well. Life goes >> on and off (the Ruby on Rails). >> >> > ______________________________**_________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/dba-tech eadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech> > Website: > http://www.databaseadvisors.**com > -- Cell: 647.710.1314 Thirty spokes converge on a hub but it's the emptiness that makes a wheel work -- from the Daodejing _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Mon Nov 14 08:23:12 2011 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 06:23:12 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] One more day In-Reply-To: <7CF0002291654D90947265BB1BB51CA7@HAL9007> References: <7CF0002291654D90947265BB1BB51CA7@HAL9007> Message-ID: Do they sterilize needles for lethal injections? If so, why? R -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Monday, November 14, 2011 5:16 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] One more day Thanks, you young Turks! On this ponderous day, my last at 63, several questions continue to vex me: 1. Why all the emphasis on searching for intelligent life in the universe? What about non-itelligent life? Why set the bar so high? 2. How come there are no non-food banks? Poor people need other things besides food, you know -- detergent, shoe polish, pencil sharpeners. The list goes on. 3. Is it really true that every non-prime number is the product of two primes? 4. Is it really true that the summed digits of every multiple of 9 equal 9? (e.g. 9 x 10 = 99, 9+9=18, 1+8 =9)? 5. Is the real reason nobody's come up with a cure for psoriasis that it's more profitable to sell me ointments? So much to think about in my twilight years :) A. On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 7:52 AM, Susan Harkins wrote: > Happy Birthday old fart! ;) > Susan H. > > In one day I'll turn 64, so please send lawyers, guns and money! > Sheesh, >> time flies like an arrow, and flies love a banana. Tunderin' Jaysus, >> one minute a Young Turk and the next an Old Fart. Ah, well. Life goes >> on and off (the Ruby on Rails). >> >> > ______________________________**_________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/dba-tech eadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech> > Website: > http://www.databaseadvisors.**com > -- Cell: 647.710.1314 Thirty spokes converge on a hub but it's the emptiness that makes a wheel work -- from the Daodejing _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From tinanfields at torchlake.com Mon Nov 14 08:35:16 2011 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 09:35:16 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] One more day In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4EC12724.9010606@torchlake.com> Well, happy birthday!!! I love birthdays. Remember to celebrate well and make wonderful memories. I'll lift a glass in your honor tomorrow. :-) T Tina Norris Fields tinanfields at torchlake.com 231-322-2787 On 11/14/2011 3:43 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > In one day I'll turn 64, so please send lawyers, guns and money! Sheesh, > time flies like an arrow, and flies love a banana. Tunderin' Jaysus, one > minute a Young Turk and the next an Old Fart. Ah, well. Life goes on and > off (the Ruby on Rails). > From fuller.artful at gmail.com Mon Nov 14 08:53:18 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 09:53:18 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] One more day In-Reply-To: <6C8CB1BCD6234B9AA7F7D0D8C119AB8B@HAL9007> References: <6C8CB1BCD6234B9AA7F7D0D8C119AB8B@HAL9007> Message-ID: LOL. The new 63. I like it. On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 9:10 AM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > Try to have a good time anyway. Remember, 64 is the...uh...new 63. > > Best > > Rocky > > From andy at minstersystems.co.uk Mon Nov 14 09:37:31 2011 From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andrew Lacey) Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 15:37:31 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [dba-Tech] One more day In-Reply-To: References: <7CF0002291654D90947265BB1BB51CA7@HAL9007> Message-ID: <1321069982.81888.1321285051510.JavaMail.open-xchange@email.1and1.co.uk ROTFL Love 'em Rocky. Got any more? ? Andy ? On 14 November 2011 at 14:23 Rocky Smolin wrote: >? > Do they sterilize needles for lethal injections?? If so, why? > > R >? > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller > Sent: Monday, November 14, 2011 5:16 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] One more day > > Thanks, you young Turks! > On this ponderous day, my last at 63, several questions continue to vex me: > > 1. Why all the emphasis on searching for intelligent life in the universe? > What about non-itelligent life? Why set the bar so high? > 2. How come there are no non-food banks? Poor people need other things > besides food, you know -- detergent, shoe polish, pencil sharpeners. The > list goes on. > 3. Is it really true that every non-prime number is the product of two > primes? > 4. Is it really true that the summed digits of every multiple of 9 equal 9? > (e.g. 9 x 10 = 99, 9+9=18, 1+8 =9)? > 5. Is the real reason nobody's come up with a cure for psoriasis that it's > more profitable to sell me ointments? > So much to think about in my twilight years :) A. > > On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 7:52 AM, Susan Harkins wrote: > > > Happy Birthday old fart! ;) > > Susan H. > > > >? In one day I'll turn 64, so please send lawyers, guns and money! > > Sheesh, > >> time flies like an arrow, and flies love a banana. Tunderin' Jaysus, > >> one minute a Young Turk and the next an Old Fart. Ah, well. Life goes > >> on and off (the Ruby on Rails). > >> > >> > > ______________________________**_________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > eadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech> > > Website: > > http://www.databaseadvisors.**com > > > > > > -- > Cell: 647.710.1314 > > Thirty spokes converge on a hub > but it's the emptiness > that makes a wheel work >? ? -- from the Daodejing > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Mon Nov 14 09:45:39 2011 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 07:45:39 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] One more day In-Reply-To: <1321069982.81888.1321285051510.JavaMail.open-xchange@email.1and1.co.uk References: <7CF0002291654D90947265BB1BB51CA7@HAL9007> <1321069982.81888.1321285051510.JavaMail.open-xchange@email.1and1.co.uk Message-ID: Do fish get thirsty? R -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Lacey Sent: Monday, November 14, 2011 7:38 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] One more day ROTFL Love 'em Rocky. Got any more? ? Andy ? On 14 November 2011 at 14:23 Rocky Smolin wrote: >? > Do they sterilize needles for lethal injections?? If so, why? > > R >? > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur > Fuller > Sent: Monday, November 14, 2011 5:16 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] One more day > > Thanks, you young Turks! > On this ponderous day, my last at 63, several questions continue to vex me: > > 1. Why all the emphasis on searching for intelligent life in the universe? > What about non-itelligent life? Why set the bar so high? > 2. How come there are no non-food banks? Poor people need other things > besides food, you know -- detergent, shoe polish, pencil sharpeners. > The list goes on. > 3. Is it really true that every non-prime number is the product of two > primes? > 4. Is it really true that the summed digits of every multiple of 9 equal 9? > (e.g. 9 x 10 = 99, 9+9=18, 1+8 =9)? > 5. Is the real reason nobody's come up with a cure for psoriasis that > it's more profitable to sell me ointments? > So much to think about in my twilight years :) A. > > On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 7:52 AM, Susan Harkins wrote: > > > Happy Birthday old fart! ;) > > Susan H. > > > >? In one day I'll turn 64, so please send lawyers, guns and money! > > Sheesh, > >> time flies like an arrow, and flies love a banana. Tunderin' > >> Jaysus, one minute a Young Turk and the next an Old Fart. Ah, well. > >> Life goes on and off (the Ruby on Rails). > >> > >> > > ______________________________**_________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > as eadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech> > > Website: > > http://www.databaseadvisors.**com > > > > > > -- > Cell: 647.710.1314 > > Thirty spokes converge on a hub > but it's the emptiness > that makes a wheel work >? ? -- from the Daodejing > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Mon Nov 14 09:47:53 2011 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 07:47:53 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] One more day In-Reply-To: <1321069982.81888.1321285051510.JavaMail.open-xchange@email.1and1.co.uk References: <7CF0002291654D90947265BB1BB51CA7@HAL9007> <1321069982.81888.1321285051510.JavaMail.open-xchange@email.1and1.co.uk Message-ID: How do you know when you're out of invisible ink? R -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Lacey Sent: Monday, November 14, 2011 7:38 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] One more day ROTFL Love 'em Rocky. Got any more? ? Andy ? On 14 November 2011 at 14:23 Rocky Smolin wrote: >? > Do they sterilize needles for lethal injections?? If so, why? > > R >? > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur > Fuller > Sent: Monday, November 14, 2011 5:16 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] One more day > > Thanks, you young Turks! > On this ponderous day, my last at 63, several questions continue to vex me: > > 1. Why all the emphasis on searching for intelligent life in the universe? > What about non-itelligent life? Why set the bar so high? > 2. How come there are no non-food banks? Poor people need other things > besides food, you know -- detergent, shoe polish, pencil sharpeners. > The list goes on. > 3. Is it really true that every non-prime number is the product of two > primes? > 4. Is it really true that the summed digits of every multiple of 9 equal 9? > (e.g. 9 x 10 = 99, 9+9=18, 1+8 =9)? > 5. Is the real reason nobody's come up with a cure for psoriasis that > it's more profitable to sell me ointments? > So much to think about in my twilight years :) A. > > On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 7:52 AM, Susan Harkins wrote: > > > Happy Birthday old fart! ;) > > Susan H. > > > >? In one day I'll turn 64, so please send lawyers, guns and money! > > Sheesh, > >> time flies like an arrow, and flies love a banana. Tunderin' > >> Jaysus, one minute a Young Turk and the next an Old Fart. Ah, well. > >> Life goes on and off (the Ruby on Rails). > >> > >> > > ______________________________**_________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > as eadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech> > > Website: > > http://www.databaseadvisors.**com > > > > > > -- > Cell: 647.710.1314 > > Thirty spokes converge on a hub > but it's the emptiness > that makes a wheel work >? ? -- from the Daodejing > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jon.tydda at lonza.com Mon Nov 14 09:50:24 2011 From: jon.tydda at lonza.com (Tydda Jon - Slough) Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 16:50:24 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] One more day In-Reply-To: References: <7CF0002291654D90947265BB1BB51CA7@HAL9007> <1321069982.81888.1321285051510.JavaMail.open-xchange@email.1and1.co.uk Message-ID: Why do they sell hands free soap dispensers? The very next thing you're going to do after getting the soap out, is wash your hands... Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: 14 November 2011 15:48 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] One more day How do you know when you're out of invisible ink? R -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Lacey Sent: Monday, November 14, 2011 7:38 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] One more day ROTFL Love 'em Rocky. Got any more? Andy On 14 November 2011 at 14:23 Rocky Smolin wrote: > > Do they sterilize needles for lethal injections? If so, why? > > R > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur > Fuller > Sent: Monday, November 14, 2011 5:16 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] One more day > > Thanks, you young Turks! > On this ponderous day, my last at 63, several questions continue to > vex me: > > 1. Why all the emphasis on searching for intelligent life in the universe? > What about non-itelligent life? Why set the bar so high? > 2. How come there are no non-food banks? Poor people need other things > besides food, you know -- detergent, shoe polish, pencil sharpeners. > The list goes on. > 3. Is it really true that every non-prime number is the product of two > primes? > 4. Is it really true that the summed digits of every multiple of 9 > equal 9? > (e.g. 9 x 10 = 99, 9+9=18, 1+8 =9)? > 5. Is the real reason nobody's come up with a cure for psoriasis that > it's more profitable to sell me ointments? > So much to think about in my twilight years :) A. > > On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 7:52 AM, Susan Harkins wrote: > > > Happy Birthday old fart! ;) > > Susan H. > > > > In one day I'll turn 64, so please send lawyers, guns and money! > > Sheesh, > >> time flies like an arrow, and flies love a banana. Tunderin' > >> Jaysus, one minute a Young Turk and the next an Old Fart. Ah, well. > >> Life goes on and off (the Ruby on Rails). > >> > >> > > ______________________________**_________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > as eadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech> > > Website: > > http://www.databaseadvisors.**com > > > > > > -- > Cell: 647.710.1314 > > Thirty spokes converge on a hub > but it's the emptiness > that makes a wheel work > -- from the Daodejing > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com This communication and its attachments, if any, may contain confidential and privileged information the use of which by other persons or entities than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you receive this transmission in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete the material from your system. From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Mon Nov 14 10:12:17 2011 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 08:12:17 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Access 2010 Deployment (cross posted) Message-ID: <7B13A2F78AB742DBA6742B1415DF21A7@HAL9007> Dear Lists: I am considering upgrading a commercial product from Access 2003 to Access 2010 (loathe as I am to develop in 2010 - I guess it's time). Although most of the target market has Office with Access, so I can distribute an mde, some do not so I have always had a run-time version available as an option. I have used the Wise/Sagekey combo for this purpose for may years. (IIRC, the market for Sagekey was motivated in no measure by the poor implementation of run-time deployments in A2000 and A2003.) I have seen references to a run-time deployment in A2010 being much improved. If I can avoid purchasing the Sagekey 2010 script and using Wise I would prefer that - it would make life much simpler. So I am looking for experiences/comments/feedback/benefits/drawbacks, etc., on the effectiveness of the A2010 run-time deployment. MTIA, Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.bchacc.com www.e-z-mrp.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Mon Nov 14 10:21:00 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 11:21:00 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] One more day In-Reply-To: References: <7CF0002291654D90947265BB1BB51CA7@HAL9007> Message-ID: >From Steven Wright... What do they pack Styrofoam chips in? A. On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 10:50 AM, Tydda Jon - Slough wrote: > Why do they sell hands free soap dispensers? The very next thing you're > going to do after getting the soap out, is wash your hands... > > > Jon > > From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Nov 14 10:35:11 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 08:35:11 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] One more day In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6E273B797E9E4F6B9333985286726F6B@creativesystemdesigns.com> Happy early birthday Arthur...have a great one. You have to keep getting older our many of us will just pass you. ;-) Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Monday, November 14, 2011 12:43 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] One more day In one day I'll turn 64, so please send lawyers, guns and money! Sheesh, time flies like an arrow, and flies love a banana. Tunderin' Jaysus, one minute a Young Turk and the next an Old Fart. Ah, well. Life goes on and off (the Ruby on Rails). -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Thirty spokes converge on a hub but it's the emptiness that makes a wheel work -- from the Daodejing _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Mon Nov 14 15:37:44 2011 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2011 07:37:44 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] One more day In-Reply-To: <6C8CB1BCD6234B9AA7F7D0D8C119AB8B@HAL9007> References: , <6C8CB1BCD6234B9AA7F7D0D8C119AB8B@HAL9007> Message-ID: <4EC18A28.2646.1E39E261@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> And it's 40 in Hex. Life begins at forty! -- Stuart On 14 Nov 2011 at 6:10, Rocky Smolin wrote: > Try to have a good time anyway. Remember, 64 is the...uh...new 63. > > Best > > Rocky > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller > Sent: Monday, November 14, 2011 12:43 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: [dba-Tech] One more day > > In one day I'll turn 64, so please send lawyers, guns and money! Sheesh, > time flies like an arrow, and flies love a banana. Tunderin' Jaysus, one > minute a Young Turk and the next an Old Fart. Ah, well. Life goes on and off > (the Ruby on Rails). > > -- > Arthur > Cell: 647.710.1314 > > Thirty spokes converge on a hub > but it's the emptiness > that makes a wheel work > -- from the Daodejing > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Mon Nov 14 15:38:18 2011 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2011 07:38:18 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] One more day In-Reply-To: References: , , Message-ID: <4EC18A4A.6457.1E3A642D@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Relative to whom? :-) On 14 Nov 2011 at 6:17, Rocky Smolin wrote: > If you're driving a car at the speed of light and you turn on the > headlights, does anything happen? > > R > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller > Sent: Monday, November 14, 2011 5:16 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] One more day > > Thanks, you young Turks! > On this ponderous day, my last at 63, several questions continue to vex me: > > 1. Why all the emphasis on searching for intelligent life in the universe? > What about non-itelligent life? Why set the bar so high? > 2. How come there are no non-food banks? Poor people need other things > besides food, you know -- detergent, shoe polish, pencil sharpeners. The > list goes on. > 3. Is it really true that every non-prime number is the product of two > primes? > 4. Is it really true that the summed digits of every multiple of 9 equal 9? > (e.g. 9 x 10 = 99, 9+9=18, 1+8 =9)? > 5. Is the real reason nobody's come up with a cure for psoriasis that it's > more profitable to sell me ointments? > So much to think about in my twilight years :) A. > > On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 7:52 AM, Susan Harkins wrote: > > > Happy Birthday old fart! ;) > > Susan H. > > > > In one day I'll turn 64, so please send lawyers, guns and money! > > Sheesh, > >> time flies like an arrow, and flies love a banana. Tunderin' Jaysus, > >> one minute a Young Turk and the next an Old Fart. Ah, well. Life goes > >> on and off (the Ruby on Rails). > >> > >> > > ______________________________**_________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > eadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech> > > Website: > > http://www.databaseadvisors.**com > > > > > > -- > Cell: 647.710.1314 > > Thirty spokes converge on a hub > but it's the emptiness > that makes a wheel work > -- from the Daodejing > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From john at winhaven.net Mon Nov 14 17:08:01 2011 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 17:08:01 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] One more day In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <009d01cca322$41b3f4f0$c51bded0$@winhaven.net> Happy Birthday Arthur! I hope you enjoy it to the max. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Monday, November 14, 2011 2:43 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] One more day In one day I'll turn 64, so please send lawyers, guns and money! Sheesh, time flies like an arrow, and flies love a banana. Tunderin' Jaysus, one minute a Young Turk and the next an Old Fart. Ah, well. Life goes on and off (the Ruby on Rails). -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Thirty spokes converge on a hub but it's the emptiness that makes a wheel work -- from the Daodejing _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From john at winhaven.net Mon Nov 14 17:08:06 2011 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 17:08:06 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] One more day In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <009f01cca322$44f675c0$cee36140$@winhaven.net> Um, yea, the electrical use increases. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Monday, November 14, 2011 8:18 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] One more day If you're driving a car at the speed of light and you turn on the headlights, does anything happen? R -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Monday, November 14, 2011 5:16 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] One more day Thanks, you young Turks! On this ponderous day, my last at 63, several questions continue to vex me: 1. Why all the emphasis on searching for intelligent life in the universe? What about non-itelligent life? Why set the bar so high? 2. How come there are no non-food banks? Poor people need other things besides food, you know -- detergent, shoe polish, pencil sharpeners. The list goes on. 3. Is it really true that every non-prime number is the product of two primes? 4. Is it really true that the summed digits of every multiple of 9 equal 9? (e.g. 9 x 10 = 99, 9+9=18, 1+8 =9)? 5. Is the real reason nobody's come up with a cure for psoriasis that it's more profitable to sell me ointments? So much to think about in my twilight years :) A. On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 7:52 AM, Susan Harkins wrote: > Happy Birthday old fart! ;) > Susan H. > > In one day I'll turn 64, so please send lawyers, guns and money! > Sheesh, >> time flies like an arrow, and flies love a banana. Tunderin' Jaysus, >> one minute a Young Turk and the next an Old Fart. Ah, well. Life goes >> on and off (the Ruby on Rails). >> >> > ______________________________**_________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/dba-tech eadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech> > Website: > http://www.databaseadvisors.**com > -- Cell: 647.710.1314 Thirty spokes converge on a hub but it's the emptiness that makes a wheel work -- from the Daodejing _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From lembit.dbamail at t-online.de Tue Nov 15 05:02:41 2011 From: lembit.dbamail at t-online.de (Lembit Soobik) Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2011 12:02:41 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] One more day References: Message-ID: <75F032E0C7544751912487518F2CFA90@OfficePgm> Happy Birthday, Arthur, and remember: All the fun starts at 65. So one more year to go. :-) Lembit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arthur Fuller" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Monday, November 14, 2011 9:43 AM Subject: [dba-Tech] One more day > In one day I'll turn 64, so please send lawyers, guns and money! Sheesh, > time flies like an arrow, and flies love a banana. Tunderin' Jaysus, one > minute a Young Turk and the next an Old Fart. Ah, well. Life goes on and > off (the Ruby on Rails). > > -- > Arthur > Cell: 647.710.1314 > > Thirty spokes converge on a hub > but it's the emptiness > that makes a wheel work > -- from the Daodejing > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From lembit.dbamail at t-online.de Tue Nov 15 05:05:25 2011 From: lembit.dbamail at t-online.de (Lembit Soobik) Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2011 12:05:25 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] One more day References: Message-ID: <79EB53594575475A9E08A2E0A7337E95@OfficePgm> Happy Birthday, Arthur, and remember: All the fun starts at 65. So one more year to go. :-) Lembit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arthur Fuller" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Monday, November 14, 2011 9:43 AM Subject: [dba-Tech] One more day > In one day I'll turn 64, so please send lawyers, guns and money! Sheesh, > time flies like an arrow, and flies love a banana. Tunderin' Jaysus, one > minute a Young Turk and the next an Old Fart. Ah, well. Life goes on and > off (the Ruby on Rails). > > -- > Arthur > Cell: 647.710.1314 > > Thirty spokes converge on a hub > but it's the emptiness > that makes a wheel work > -- from the Daodejing > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From lembit.dbamail at t-online.de Tue Nov 15 05:06:47 2011 From: lembit.dbamail at t-online.de (Lembit Soobik) Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2011 12:06:47 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] One more day References: Message-ID: Happy Birthday, Arthur, and remember: All the fun starts at 65. So one more year to go. :-) Lembit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arthur Fuller" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Monday, November 14, 2011 9:43 AM Subject: [dba-Tech] One more day > In one day I'll turn 64, so please send lawyers, guns and money! Sheesh, > time flies like an arrow, and flies love a banana. Tunderin' Jaysus, one > minute a Young Turk and the next an Old Fart. Ah, well. Life goes on and > off (the Ruby on Rails). > > -- > Arthur > Cell: 647.710.1314 > > Thirty spokes converge on a hub > but it's the emptiness > that makes a wheel work > -- from the Daodejing > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From lembit.soobik at weihenstephan.org Tue Nov 15 04:58:54 2011 From: lembit.soobik at weihenstephan.org (Lembit Soobik) Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2011 11:58:54 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] One more day References: Message-ID: <1F80E04199F8416B9DBC62AB1E9803CA@OfficePgm> Happy Birthday, Arthur, and remember: All the fun starts at 65. So one more year to go. :-) Lembit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arthur Fuller" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Monday, November 14, 2011 9:43 AM Subject: [dba-Tech] One more day > In one day I'll turn 64, so please send lawyers, guns and money! Sheesh, > time flies like an arrow, and flies love a banana. Tunderin' Jaysus, one > minute a Young Turk and the next an Old Fart. Ah, well. Life goes on and > off (the Ruby on Rails). > > -- > Arthur > Cell: 647.710.1314 > > Thirty spokes converge on a hub > but it's the emptiness > that makes a wheel work > -- from the Daodejing > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From lembit.soobik at weihenstephan.org Tue Nov 15 05:08:09 2011 From: lembit.soobik at weihenstephan.org (Lembit Soobik) Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2011 12:08:09 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] One more day References: Message-ID: Happy Birthday, Arthur, and remember: All the fun starts at 65. So one more year to go. :-) Lembit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arthur Fuller" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Monday, November 14, 2011 9:43 AM Subject: [dba-Tech] One more day > In one day I'll turn 64, so please send lawyers, guns and money! Sheesh, > time flies like an arrow, and flies love a banana. Tunderin' Jaysus, one > minute a Young Turk and the next an Old Fart. Ah, well. Life goes on and > off (the Ruby on Rails). > > -- > Arthur > Cell: 647.710.1314 > > Thirty spokes converge on a hub > but it's the emptiness > that makes a wheel work > -- from the Daodejing > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From lembit.soobik at weihenstephan.org Tue Nov 15 05:35:18 2011 From: lembit.soobik at weihenstephan.org (Lembit Soobik) Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2011 12:35:18 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] One more day References: Message-ID: <4857D12BAD9C4FD9894F714005783D6D@OfficePgm> sorry for the 5 copies - was rejected 4 times, and then seems all went through. Lembit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lembit Soobik" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2011 12:08 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] One more day > Happy Birthday, Arthur, > and remember: All the fun starts at 65. So one more year to go. > :-) > Lembit > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Arthur Fuller" > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > Sent: Monday, November 14, 2011 9:43 AM > Subject: [dba-Tech] One more day > > >> In one day I'll turn 64, so please send lawyers, guns and money! Sheesh, >> time flies like an arrow, and flies love a banana. Tunderin' Jaysus, one >> minute a Young Turk and the next an Old Fart. Ah, well. Life goes on and >> off (the Ruby on Rails). >> >> -- >> Arthur >> Cell: 647.710.1314 >> >> Thirty spokes converge on a hub >> but it's the emptiness >> that makes a wheel work >> -- from the Daodejing >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Tue Nov 15 06:14:52 2011 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2011 22:14:52 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] One more day In-Reply-To: <4857D12BAD9C4FD9894F714005783D6D@OfficePgm> References: , <4857D12BAD9C4FD9894F714005783D6D@OfficePgm> Message-ID: <4EC257BC.21004.215CF008@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> I thought it was "oldtimers" disease and you just kept on forgetting that you had sent it. -- Stuart On 15 Nov 2011 at 12:35, Lembit Soobik wrote: > sorry for the 5 copies - was rejected 4 times, and then seems all went > through. > Lembit > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lembit Soobik" > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2011 12:08 PM > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] One more day > > > > Happy Birthday, Arthur, > > and remember: All the fun starts at 65. So one more year to go. > > :-) > > Lembit > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Arthur Fuller" > > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > > > Sent: Monday, November 14, 2011 9:43 AM > > Subject: [dba-Tech] One more day > > > > > >> In one day I'll turn 64, so please send lawyers, guns and money! Sheesh, > >> time flies like an arrow, and flies love a banana. Tunderin' Jaysus, one > >> minute a Young Turk and the next an Old Fart. Ah, well. Life goes on and > >> off (the Ruby on Rails). > >> > >> -- > >> Arthur > >> Cell: 647.710.1314 > >> > >> Thirty spokes converge on a hub > >> but it's the emptiness > >> that makes a wheel work > >> -- from the Daodejing > >> _______________________________________________ > >> dba-Tech mailing list > >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From lembit.soobik at weihenstephan.org Tue Nov 15 07:34:19 2011 From: lembit.soobik at weihenstephan.org (Lembit Soobik) Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2011 14:34:19 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] One more day References: , <4857D12BAD9C4FD9894F714005783D6D@OfficePgm> <4EC257BC.21004.215CF008@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <7714AC48603C49A4ADD948AD3EAC4407@OfficePgm> agree, much better excuse ;-) L ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stuart McLachlan" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2011 1:14 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] One more day >I thought it was "oldtimers" disease and you just kept on forgetting that >you had sent it. > > -- > Stuart > > On 15 Nov 2011 at 12:35, Lembit Soobik wrote: > >> sorry for the 5 copies - was rejected 4 times, and then seems all went >> through. >> Lembit >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Lembit Soobik" >> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" >> >> Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2011 12:08 PM >> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] One more day >> >> >> > Happy Birthday, Arthur, >> > and remember: All the fun starts at 65. So one more year to go. >> > :-) >> > Lembit >> > >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "Arthur Fuller" >> > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" >> > >> > Sent: Monday, November 14, 2011 9:43 AM >> > Subject: [dba-Tech] One more day >> > >> > >> >> In one day I'll turn 64, so please send lawyers, guns and money! >> >> Sheesh, >> >> time flies like an arrow, and flies love a banana. Tunderin' Jaysus, >> >> one >> >> minute a Young Turk and the next an Old Fart. Ah, well. Life goes on >> >> and >> >> off (the Ruby on Rails). >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Arthur >> >> Cell: 647.710.1314 >> >> >> >> Thirty spokes converge on a hub >> >> but it's the emptiness >> >> that makes a wheel work >> >> -- from the Daodejing >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> dba-Tech mailing list >> >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > dba-Tech mailing list >> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From carbonnb at gmail.com Tue Nov 15 13:53:49 2011 From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell) Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2011 14:53:49 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Seeking graphics-skilled person In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Guess I'm not eligible, eh? LOL Bryan On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 11:48 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > CBC is running a contest for a new logo. I have what I think is a great > idea, but am totally without graphic skills. What I have in mind is an > animated graphic that takes about 4 seconds to unfold. Other than beginning > image, nothing else external is required; from there on in, it's strictly > (I think) manipulation of the initial image. > > There's $5K at stake in this contest. There's no second-place, it's winner > take all. > > I have the concept and a 30-year-old familiarity with CBC radio, to the > point where I never change channels. That is part of the reason I would > love to win this contest. But to realize my vision, I need a partner who > knows her/his way around graphics and animation. > > If you're interested, please contact me off-list and I can show/tell you > what I have in mind. I don't think it's terribly difficult to do, but > embedded as I am in the world of databases, I have no idea about what tools > are available to the graphically-inclined. Chances are, it might result in > a waste of your time. On the other hand, should we win, there's $5K to the > winner. > > -- > A. > Cell: 647.710.1314 > > Thirty spokes converge on a hub > but it's the emptiness > that makes a wheel work > ? -- from the Daodejing > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "What a great ride!" From stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz Tue Nov 15 22:41:02 2011 From: stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz (Stephen Bond) Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 17:41:02 +1300 Subject: [dba-Tech] VMWare vs Virtual PC Message-ID: I've tried Virtual PC on a fairly high-powered PC and am not impressed with the way the mouse skip around erratically. Is VMWare better? I want to emulate a Windows XP configuration. Stephen Bond From john at winhaven.net Tue Nov 15 23:23:30 2011 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2011 23:23:30 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] VMWare vs Virtual PC In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <012801cca41f$e0e00160$a2a00420$@winhaven.net> Try VirtualBox -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Bond Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2011 10:41 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] VMWare vs Virtual PC I've tried Virtual PC on a fairly high-powered PC and am not impressed with the way the mouse skip around erratically. Is VMWare better? I want to emulate a Windows XP configuration. Stephen Bond _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Tue Nov 15 23:47:44 2011 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 15:47:44 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] VMWare vs Virtual PC In-Reply-To: <012801cca41f$e0e00160$a2a00420$@winhaven.net> References: , <012801cca41f$e0e00160$a2a00420$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: <4EC34E80.28007.2520E294@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> I second that. On 15 Nov 2011 at 23:23, John Bartow wrote: > Try VirtualBox > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Bond > Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2011 10:41 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: [dba-Tech] VMWare vs Virtual PC > > I've tried Virtual PC on a fairly high-powered PC and am not impressed with > the way the mouse skip around erratically. Is VMWare better? I want to > emulate a Windows XP configuration. > > Stephen Bond > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From hans.andersen at phulse.com Wed Nov 16 01:32:11 2011 From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen) Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2011 23:32:11 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Barnes & Noble Exposes Microsoft's "Trivial" Patents and Strategy Against Android In-Reply-To: <4EC34E80.28007.2520E294@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: , <012801cca41f$e0e00160$a2a00420$@winhaven.net> <4EC34E80.28007.2520E294@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <67F5CE00-76A1-4E01-8392-422D8A0811E2@phulse.com> Things are about to get quite interesting. It's about time we find out what exactly Microsoft has been asserting that it has patents over. "Barnes & Noble has done the world a tremendous favor, by pulling aside the curtain and revealing Microsoft's patent campaign tactics against Android in lurid detail. It reveals the assertion of "trivial" and "invalid" patents against Barnes & Noble and some shocking details about an "oppressive" license agreement that would have controlled hardware and software design features that Microsoft presented, thus limiting to what degree Barnes & Noble could offer upgrades and improved features to its customers if it had signed it, features it says none of Microsoft's patents cover. Microsoft worked so hard to keep it all secret, and I think you'll see why. It's ugly behind that curtain." http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=2011111122291296 - Hans From df.waters at comcast.net Wed Nov 16 09:11:12 2011 From: df.waters at comcast.net (Dan Waters) Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 09:11:12 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] IT Position in Minneapolis/St.Paul Message-ID: <002b01cca471$fa687070$ef395150$@comcast.net> I just talked with one of my customers this morning, and they are looking for a person to be an 'on call' IT person. This a 100 person manufacturing firm in Shoreview. If you're interested, please contact me directly. Thanks! Dan From accessd at shaw.ca Wed Nov 16 12:07:51 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 10:07:51 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Barnes & Noble Exposes Microsoft's "Trivial" Patents andStrategy Against Android In-Reply-To: <67F5CE00-76A1-4E01-8392-422D8A0811E2@phulse.com> References: <012801cca41f$e0e00160$a2a00420$@winhaven.net> <4EC34E80.28007.2520E294@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <67F5CE00-76A1-4E01-8392-422D8A0811E2@phulse.com> Message-ID: This is as bad as it gets and exactly the type of process that I most feared. If this type activity is allowed, these Patent Trolls, could crush much of the creativity and progress within the computer industry. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hans-Christian Andersen Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2011 11:32 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Barnes & Noble Exposes Microsoft's "Trivial" Patents andStrategy Against Android Things are about to get quite interesting. It's about time we find out what exactly Microsoft has been asserting that it has patents over. "Barnes & Noble has done the world a tremendous favor, by pulling aside the curtain and revealing Microsoft's patent campaign tactics against Android in lurid detail. It reveals the assertion of "trivial" and "invalid" patents against Barnes & Noble and some shocking details about an "oppressive" license agreement that would have controlled hardware and software design features that Microsoft presented, thus limiting to what degree Barnes & Noble could offer upgrades and improved features to its customers if it had signed it, features it says none of Microsoft's patents cover. Microsoft worked so hard to keep it all secret, and I think you'll see why. It's ugly behind that curtain." http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=2011111122291296 - Hans _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Thu Nov 17 14:04:44 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 12:04:44 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Microsoft bails on Dryad and moved to Haroop In-Reply-To: References: <012801cca41f$e0e00160$a2a00420$@winhaven.net> <4EC34E80.28007.2520E294@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <67F5CE00-76A1-4E01-8392-422D8A0811E2@phulse.com> Message-ID: <58C49332C14047FFA3343D7B4C0AAAC5@creativesystemdesigns.com> Microsoft have quit on it venture into the internet framework world and decided to adopt the new super engine database of Hadoop. Along with this re-structuring, a number of the tools, like LINQ and associated apps have either been abandoned or their future is in question. http://tinyurl.com/6tm857j I think it is a good move for Microsoft to stop trying to force the internet to adapt to their proprietary products and finally accepted the reality of the Open Source leader of NoSQL database giant. I applaud the new MS direction. Jim From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Thu Nov 17 14:17:55 2011 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 06:17:55 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Microsoft bails on Dryad and moved to Haroop In-Reply-To: <58C49332C14047FFA3343D7B4C0AAAC5@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: , , <58C49332C14047FFA3343D7B4C0AAAC5@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <4EC56BF3.1360.2D63C5CC@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> You mean the "adopt and enhance" direction where they start of by adopting a particular standard and then try to lock peeple in by introducing their own proprietary "extensions" or "enhancements" :-) That's not new. -- Stuart On 17 Nov 2011 at 12:04, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Microsoft have quit on it venture into the internet framework world and > decided to adopt the new super engine database of Hadoop. Along with this > re-structuring, a number of the tools, like LINQ and associated apps have > either been abandoned or their future is in question. > > http://tinyurl.com/6tm857j > > I think it is a good move for Microsoft to stop trying to force the internet > to adapt to their proprietary products and finally accepted the reality of > the Open Source leader of NoSQL database giant. > > I applaud the new MS direction. > > Jim > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From hans.andersen at phulse.com Thu Nov 17 14:40:13 2011 From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen) Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 12:40:13 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Microsoft bails on Dryad and moved to Haroop In-Reply-To: <58C49332C14047FFA3343D7B4C0AAAC5@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <012801cca41f$e0e00160$a2a00420$@winhaven.net> <4EC34E80.28007.2520E294@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <67F5CE00-76A1-4E01-8392-422D8A0811E2@phulse.com> <58C49332C14047FFA3343D7B4C0AAAC5@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: Let's see about that. Microsoft has a long history of "embrace and extend" (and extinguish) - adopt an open standard, apply their own proprietary extensions, and, because of their overall dominance, kill off competitors by co-opting the standard or making what was once a standard now a tangled mess. They even invented the term, so it's just a matter of time before we see if this leopard has truly changed its spots. I personally doubt it. As a recent example, the whole ODF debacle rings a bell. - Hans On 2011-11-17, at 12:04 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Microsoft have quit on it venture into the internet framework world and > decided to adopt the new super engine database of Hadoop. Along with this > re-structuring, a number of the tools, like LINQ and associated apps have > either been abandoned or their future is in question. > > http://tinyurl.com/6tm857j > > I think it is a good move for Microsoft to stop trying to force the internet > to adapt to their proprietary products and finally accepted the reality of > the Open Source leader of NoSQL database giant. > > I applaud the new MS direction. > > Jim > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Thu Nov 17 14:49:24 2011 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 06:49:24 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Microsoft bails on Dryad and moved to Haroop In-Reply-To: References: , <58C49332C14047FFA3343D7B4C0AAAC5@creativesystemdesigns.com>, Message-ID: <4EC57354.8473.2D809B05@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Great minds think alike :-) -- Stuart On 17 Nov 2011 at 12:40, Hans-Christian Andersen wrote: > > > Let's see about that. Microsoft has a long history of "embrace and extend" (and extinguish) - adopt an open standard, apply their own proprietary extensions, and, because of their overall dominance, kill off competitors by co-opting the standard or making what was once a standard now a tangled mess. > > They even invented the term, so it's just a matter of time before we see if this leopard has truly changed its spots. I personally doubt it. As a recent example, the whole ODF debacle rings a bell. > > - Hans > > > > On 2011-11-17, at 12:04 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > > > Microsoft have quit on it venture into the internet framework world and > > decided to adopt the new super engine database of Hadoop. Along with this > > re-structuring, a number of the tools, like LINQ and associated apps have > > either been abandoned or their future is in question. > > > > http://tinyurl.com/6tm857j > > > > I think it is a good move for Microsoft to stop trying to force the internet > > to adapt to their proprietary products and finally accepted the reality of > > the Open Source leader of NoSQL database giant. > > > > I applaud the new MS direction. > > > > Jim > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From accessd at shaw.ca Thu Nov 17 16:46:49 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 14:46:49 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Microsoft bails on Dryad and moved to Haroop In-Reply-To: References: <012801cca41f$e0e00160$a2a00420$@winhaven.net> <4EC34E80.28007.2520E294@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <67F5CE00-76A1-4E01-8392-422D8A0811E2@phulse.com> <58C49332C14047FFA3343D7B4C0AAAC5@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <88A004FB3C4D41BBADE64DB6B8BE5DED@creativesystemdesigns.com> I truly believe that MS does not have the power to affect the markets, any more; so any chaos created will be to their undoing. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hans-Christian Andersen Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 12:40 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Microsoft bails on Dryad and moved to Haroop Let's see about that. Microsoft has a long history of "embrace and extend" (and extinguish) - adopt an open standard, apply their own proprietary extensions, and, because of their overall dominance, kill off competitors by co-opting the standard or making what was once a standard now a tangled mess. They even invented the term, so it's just a matter of time before we see if this leopard has truly changed its spots. I personally doubt it. As a recent example, the whole ODF debacle rings a bell. - Hans On 2011-11-17, at 12:04 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Microsoft have quit on it venture into the internet framework world and > decided to adopt the new super engine database of Hadoop. Along with this > re-structuring, a number of the tools, like LINQ and associated apps have > either been abandoned or their future is in question. > > http://tinyurl.com/6tm857j > > I think it is a good move for Microsoft to stop trying to force the internet > to adapt to their proprietary products and finally accepted the reality of > the Open Source leader of NoSQL database giant. > > I applaud the new MS direction. > > Jim > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Thu Nov 17 16:52:50 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 14:52:50 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Microsoft bails on Dryad and moved to Haroop In-Reply-To: <4EC57354.8473.2D809B05@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <58C49332C14047FFA3343D7B4C0AAAC5@creativesystemdesigns.com> <4EC57354.8473.2D809B05@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <41D2402C641F4E5A861095E31D57AE4D@creativesystemdesigns.com> Isn't that statement only half completed? ;-) In this case I do concur but I would truly like to give them the benefit of the doubt. It seems the Ballmer is having a very rough ride from his company's stockholders and his days may be numbered Some fresh blood with fresh ideas could really turn the company around, as there is so much great talent at the Redmond Campus. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 12:49 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Microsoft bails on Dryad and moved to Haroop Great minds think alike :-) -- Stuart On 17 Nov 2011 at 12:40, Hans-Christian Andersen wrote: > > > Let's see about that. Microsoft has a long history of "embrace and extend" (and extinguish) - adopt an open standard, apply their own proprietary extensions, and, because of their overall dominance, kill off competitors by co-opting the standard or making what was once a standard now a tangled mess. > > They even invented the term, so it's just a matter of time before we see if this leopard has truly changed its spots. I personally doubt it. As a recent example, the whole ODF debacle rings a bell. > > - Hans > > > > On 2011-11-17, at 12:04 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > > > Microsoft have quit on it venture into the internet framework world and > > decided to adopt the new super engine database of Hadoop. Along with this > > re-structuring, a number of the tools, like LINQ and associated apps have > > either been abandoned or their future is in question. > > > > http://tinyurl.com/6tm857j > > > > I think it is a good move for Microsoft to stop trying to force the internet > > to adapt to their proprietary products and finally accepted the reality of > > the Open Source leader of NoSQL database giant. > > > > I applaud the new MS direction. > > > > Jim > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Fri Nov 18 07:11:34 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 08:11:34 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] What got you interested in technology? IT's rich and famous share their memories Message-ID: Luminaries Vint Cerf, Michael Dell, Stephen Elop (Nokia), William Gibson, Noel Sharkey (Professor of AI and Robotics at the University of Sheffield), Richard Stallman and others reminisce about their early computing experiences: http://www.silicon.com/technology/hardware/2011/11/16/what-got-you-interested-in-technology-its-rich-and-famous-share-their-memories-39748104/ -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Thirty spokes converge on a hub but it's the emptiness that makes a wheel work -- from the Daodejing From Gustav at cactus.dk Fri Nov 18 07:43:03 2011 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 14:43:03 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] What got you interested in technology? IT's rich and famous share their memories Message-ID: Hi Arthur I'll share a part of my memory that for some unknown reason popped forward the other day: Do you remember the time when OS/2 was moving ahead, that a major issue to discuss was if it would be able to launch in a machine equipped with 4 MB of RAM? I don't recall what made 4 MB a magic number but today, where 4 GB is standard in main-level machines, it is hard to imagine that this parameter could get any attention at all. Perhaps it was cost - I guess 1 MB of RAM at those days equals 4 GB today. Didn't Compaq manufacture a full-length(!) add-in board with 3 MB extended RAM? At a fortune. /gustav >>> fuller.artful at gmail.com 18-11-2011 14:11 >>> Luminaries Vint Cerf, Michael Dell, Stephen Elop (Nokia), William Gibson, Noel Sharkey (Professor of AI and Robotics at the University of Sheffield), Richard Stallman and others reminisce about their early computing experiences: http://www.silicon.com/technology/hardware/2011/11/16/what-got-you-interested-in-technology-its-rich-and-famous-share-their-memories-39748104/ -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Thirty spokes converge on a hub but it's the emptiness that makes a wheel work -- from the Daodejing From fuller.artful at gmail.com Fri Nov 18 08:33:27 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 09:33:27 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] What got you interested in technology? IT's rich and famous share their memories In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: My first box was purchased on March 15, 1983. It was a Unitron, a clone of the Apple II. It came with Apple SOS and a CP/M card containing 48K of RAM. First thing I bought was a 16K expansion card. I used to run WordStar, Supercalc and dBASE II on it. It took about a month to become skilled at dBASE II and from then on I've been hooked on databases. Speaking of OS/2, at that time I was a freelance journalist working for several magazines, writing mostly software reviews etc. IBM flew a bunch of journalists to Bletchley Park to unveil OS/2. Bletchley park initially became famous as the place where they cracked the Enigma machine. A. On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 8:43 AM, Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi Arthur > > I'll share a part of my memory that for some unknown reason popped forward > the other day: > > Do you remember the time when OS/2 was moving ahead, that a major issue to > discuss was if it would be able to launch in a machine equipped with 4 MB > of RAM? > I don't recall what made 4 MB a magic number but today, where 4 GB is > standard in main-level machines, it is hard to imagine that this parameter > could get any attention at all. > Perhaps it was cost - I guess 1 MB of RAM at those days equals 4 GB today. > Didn't Compaq manufacture a full-length(!) add-in board with 3 MB extended > RAM? At a fortune. > > /gustav > > From gustav at cactus.dk Fri Nov 18 10:33:32 2011 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 17:33:32 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] What got you interested in technology? IT's rich and famous share their memories Message-ID: Hi Arthur In the early 90s I had the "pleasure" of writing for the local PR agency that was responsible for the Danish version of the IBM Helpware Magazine. As such I had to run OS/2 on my 486 pc with 16 MB of RAM to test different things. I liked OS/2 except that no applications were at hand and it had some corners. First at the later Warp version it became polished. The task was a nightmare as the British PR agency responsible for Europe supplied the articles and these were loaded with errors I just couldn't ignore should the magazine be of any help for the common user. Thus, I often faced a rewrite rather than a translation. I have never touched OS/2 since then except for one client who ran an OS/2 server - which basically was the Lan Manager server OS. The server was later replaced with an NT Server when version 3.5 came out. Did you write about OS/2? /gustav >>> fuller.artful at gmail.com 18-11-2011 15:33 >>> My first box was purchased on March 15, 1983. It was a Unitron, a clone of the Apple II. It came with Apple SOS and a CP/M card containing 48K of RAM. First thing I bought was a 16K expansion card. I used to run WordStar, Supercalc and dBASE II on it. It took about a month to become skilled at dBASE II and from then on I've been hooked on databases. Speaking of OS/2, at that time I was a freelance journalist working for several magazines, writing mostly software reviews etc. IBM flew a bunch of journalists to Bletchley Park to unveil OS/2. Bletchley park initially became famous as the place where they cracked the Enigma machine. A. On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 8:43 AM, Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi Arthur > > I'll share a part of my memory that for some unknown reason popped forward > the other day: > > Do you remember the time when OS/2 was moving ahead, that a major issue to > discuss was if it would be able to launch in a machine equipped with 4 MB > of RAM? > I don't recall what made 4 MB a magic number but today, where 4 GB is > standard in main-level machines, it is hard to imagine that this parameter > could get any attention at all. > Perhaps it was cost - I guess 1 MB of RAM at those days equals 4 GB today. > Didn't Compaq manufacture a full-length(!) add-in board with 3 MB extended > RAM? At a fortune. > > /gustav From fuller.artful at gmail.com Fri Nov 18 10:43:37 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 11:43:37 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] What got you interested in technology? IT's rich and famous share their memories In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: A little bit, but as you said, there weren't a lot of apps for it to write about, so I wrote about the launch party at Bletchley and then the split between MS and IBM on the project; stuff like that. Given the time and place, I liked the OS itself, but there's only so much I can do with an OS and an assembler. /A. On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 11:33 AM, Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi Arthur > > In the early 90s I had the "pleasure" of writing for the local PR agency > that was responsible for the Danish version of the IBM Helpware Magazine. > As such I had to run OS/2 on my 486 pc with 16 MB of RAM to test different > things. I liked OS/2 except that no applications were at hand and it had > some corners. First at the later Warp version it became polished. > The task was a nightmare as the British PR agency responsible for Europe > supplied the articles and these were loaded with errors I just couldn't > ignore should the magazine be of any help for the common user. Thus, I > often faced a rewrite rather than a translation. > > I have never touched OS/2 since then except for one client who ran an OS/2 > server - which basically was the Lan Manager server OS. The server was > later replaced with an NT Server when version 3.5 came out. > > Did you write about OS/2? > > /gustav > > > >>> fuller.artful at gmail.com 18-11-2011 15:33 >>> > My first box was purchased on March 15, 1983. It was a Unitron, a clone of > the Apple II. It came with Apple SOS and a CP/M card containing 48K of RAM. > First thing I bought was a 16K expansion card. I used to run WordStar, > Supercalc and dBASE II on it. It took about a month to become skilled at > dBASE II and from then on I've been hooked on databases. > > Speaking of OS/2, at that time I was a freelance journalist working for > several magazines, writing mostly software reviews etc. IBM flew a bunch of > journalists to Bletchley Park to unveil OS/2. Bletchley park initially > became famous as the place where they cracked the Enigma machine. > > A. > > On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 8:43 AM, Gustav Brock wrote: > > > Hi Arthur > > > > I'll share a part of my memory that for some unknown reason popped > forward > > the other day: > > > > Do you remember the time when OS/2 was moving ahead, that a major issue > to > > discuss was if it would be able to launch in a machine equipped with 4 MB > > of RAM? > > I don't recall what made 4 MB a magic number but today, where 4 GB is > > standard in main-level machines, it is hard to imagine that this > parameter > > could get any attention at all. > > Perhaps it was cost - I guess 1 MB of RAM at those days equals 4 GB > today. > > Didn't Compaq manufacture a full-length(!) add-in board with 3 MB > extended > > RAM? At a fortune. > > > > /gustav > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Cell: 647.710.1314 Thirty spokes converge on a hub but it's the emptiness that makes a wheel work -- from the Daodejing From accessd at shaw.ca Fri Nov 18 12:38:23 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 10:38:23 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] What got you interested in technology? IT's rich and famous share their memories In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I first got involved with a Commodore64 computer. The main chip was a 6510 MOS CPU not to be confused with a 6502 as it had four registers in the BIOS that were none volatile. A programmer could actually use a total of 128K...a massive amount of memory. For us geeks we would cycle through the base 64K and copy the entire OS up into the secondary memory storage area, seed the non-volatile registers and then reboot. The 64K would be repopulated but the system would reset through the register and run the system from the hidden RAM. The 1541 disk-drive had a huge storage capacity (160K). With a little bit of soldering, these drives could be stacked as the IO channels could be set from 8 to 12. The most units that I ever attached together was 3. (A toggle switch could be setup to top of the drive to hot-swap IO channels. The biggest thrill I ever got was when I assembler coded a driver which could stop and start the floppy drive and position the heads on any location on the floppy surface. That was the beginning of a hard coded fixed length database that could access any record within one second. Eventually, I hand coded, in assembler, a video store program. That application took months of work and it was all done so I could get free movies for us and the kids. I learned how to code search routines, sorting routines and build data compression algorithms (very important when you have little storage capacity). After that, I learned my lesson and never programmed another app in assembler. A company in Britain, quite independantly, build a database along similar lines called SuperBase...absolutely brilliant and in its time was unsurpassed in performance. The company survived into the Windows age but has disappeared as it had no advertisement budget. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superbase_database) Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 5:12 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] What got you interested in technology? IT's rich and famous share their memories Luminaries Vint Cerf, Michael Dell, Stephen Elop (Nokia), William Gibson, Noel Sharkey (Professor of AI and Robotics at the University of Sheffield), Richard Stallman and others reminisce about their early computing experiences: http://www.silicon.com/technology/hardware/2011/11/16/what-got-you-intereste d-in-technology-its-rich-and-famous-share-their-memories-39748104/ -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Thirty spokes converge on a hub but it's the emptiness that makes a wheel work -- from the Daodejing _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Fri Nov 18 12:50:41 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 10:50:41 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] What got you interested in technology? IT's rich andfamous share their memories In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <95742A60C79C4CBEB82CCBC785CE0D64@creativesystemdesigns.com> A one MB RAM board used to cost almost 8K for a VAX. I remember being in a meeting and we were trying to decide whether we should blow the budget on a MB of RAM or on a new very-high capacity Alpha hard drive of 512MBs...About the size of a small washing machine. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 5:43 AM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] What got you interested in technology? IT's rich andfamous share their memories Hi Arthur I'll share a part of my memory that for some unknown reason popped forward the other day: Do you remember the time when OS/2 was moving ahead, that a major issue to discuss was if it would be able to launch in a machine equipped with 4 MB of RAM? I don't recall what made 4 MB a magic number but today, where 4 GB is standard in main-level machines, it is hard to imagine that this parameter could get any attention at all. Perhaps it was cost - I guess 1 MB of RAM at those days equals 4 GB today. Didn't Compaq manufacture a full-length(!) add-in board with 3 MB extended RAM? At a fortune. /gustav >>> fuller.artful at gmail.com 18-11-2011 14:11 >>> Luminaries Vint Cerf, Michael Dell, Stephen Elop (Nokia), William Gibson, Noel Sharkey (Professor of AI and Robotics at the University of Sheffield), Richard Stallman and others reminisce about their early computing experiences: http://www.silicon.com/technology/hardware/2011/11/16/what-got-you-intereste d-in-technology-its-rich-and-famous-share-their-memories-39748104/ -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Thirty spokes converge on a hub but it's the emptiness that makes a wheel work -- from the Daodejing _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Fri Nov 18 13:03:04 2011 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 11:03:04 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] What got you interested in technology? IT's rich andfamous share their memories In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3283575168D6489AB07EA15FBB2B9F55@HAL9007> My first box? IBM 7090 - rotating drum memory. Behind a glass wall - punch the cards, turn in the cards, return the next day to find out where you left out a comma. Punch the cards, turn in the cards. Return the next day to find out where you left out the /. I was hooked. Next machine IBM 1620. With hard drives!!! :) R -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 10:38 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] What got you interested in technology? IT's rich andfamous share their memories I first got involved with a Commodore64 computer. The main chip was a 6510 MOS CPU not to be confused with a 6502 as it had four registers in the BIOS that were none volatile. A programmer could actually use a total of 128K...a massive amount of memory. For us geeks we would cycle through the base 64K and copy the entire OS up into the secondary memory storage area, seed the non-volatile registers and then reboot. The 64K would be repopulated but the system would reset through the register and run the system from the hidden RAM. The 1541 disk-drive had a huge storage capacity (160K). With a little bit of soldering, these drives could be stacked as the IO channels could be set from 8 to 12. The most units that I ever attached together was 3. (A toggle switch could be setup to top of the drive to hot-swap IO channels. The biggest thrill I ever got was when I assembler coded a driver which could stop and start the floppy drive and position the heads on any location on the floppy surface. That was the beginning of a hard coded fixed length database that could access any record within one second. Eventually, I hand coded, in assembler, a video store program. That application took months of work and it was all done so I could get free movies for us and the kids. I learned how to code search routines, sorting routines and build data compression algorithms (very important when you have little storage capacity). After that, I learned my lesson and never programmed another app in assembler. A company in Britain, quite independantly, build a database along similar lines called SuperBase...absolutely brilliant and in its time was unsurpassed in performance. The company survived into the Windows age but has disappeared as it had no advertisement budget. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superbase_database) Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 5:12 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] What got you interested in technology? IT's rich and famous share their memories Luminaries Vint Cerf, Michael Dell, Stephen Elop (Nokia), William Gibson, Noel Sharkey (Professor of AI and Robotics at the University of Sheffield), Richard Stallman and others reminisce about their early computing experiences: http://www.silicon.com/technology/hardware/2011/11/16/what-got-you-intereste d-in-technology-its-rich-and-famous-share-their-memories-39748104/ -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Thirty spokes converge on a hub but it's the emptiness that makes a wheel work -- from the Daodejing _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Fri Nov 18 13:03:42 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 11:03:42 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] What got you interested in technology? IT's rich and famous share their memories In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0087B7BE87D843F38DBE224139024498@creativesystemdesigns.com> I worked for about two years, 1992 to 1994 supporting an OS2 network, using Token-ring and all backed up with a Lanserver server... Talk about unstable. (Microsoft built the Lanserver and used the technology to build their Lanmanager, which eventually turned into NT...they also built the core of OS2...MS came so close to being busted by IBM in court action.) I had 10 other clients that I was supposed to be supporting but just stayed on that site keeping this 50-user network running. ;-) Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 6:33 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] What got you interested in technology? IT's rich and famous share their memories My first box was purchased on March 15, 1983. It was a Unitron, a clone of the Apple II. It came with Apple SOS and a CP/M card containing 48K of RAM. First thing I bought was a 16K expansion card. I used to run WordStar, Supercalc and dBASE II on it. It took about a month to become skilled at dBASE II and from then on I've been hooked on databases. Speaking of OS/2, at that time I was a freelance journalist working for several magazines, writing mostly software reviews etc. IBM flew a bunch of journalists to Bletchley Park to unveil OS/2. Bletchley park initially became famous as the place where they cracked the Enigma machine. A. On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 8:43 AM, Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi Arthur > > I'll share a part of my memory that for some unknown reason popped forward > the other day: > > Do you remember the time when OS/2 was moving ahead, that a major issue to > discuss was if it would be able to launch in a machine equipped with 4 MB > of RAM? > I don't recall what made 4 MB a magic number but today, where 4 GB is > standard in main-level machines, it is hard to imagine that this parameter > could get any attention at all. > Perhaps it was cost - I guess 1 MB of RAM at those days equals 4 GB today. > Didn't Compaq manufacture a full-length(!) add-in board with 3 MB extended > RAM? At a fortune. > > /gustav > > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From hans.andersen at phulse.com Fri Nov 18 19:11:33 2011 From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen) Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 17:11:33 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] What got you interested in technology? IT's rich and famous share their memories In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <254E8F6F-630D-4351-8531-CF226887FA97@phulse.com> I envy you all. :) I was just a wee sprog in those days. My first exposure to programming was Logo and then the ball got rolling once I got my Amiga 500. But I still missed out on a lot before that. - Hans Sent from my iPhone On 2011-11-18, at 8:33 AM, "Gustav Brock" wrote: > Hi Arthur > > In the early 90s I had the "pleasure" of writing for the local PR agency that was responsible for the Danish version of the IBM Helpware Magazine. As such I had to run OS/2 on my 486 pc with 16 MB of RAM to test different things. I liked OS/2 except that no applications were at hand and it had some corners. First at the later Warp version it became polished. > The task was a nightmare as the British PR agency responsible for Europe supplied the articles and these were loaded with errors I just couldn't ignore should the magazine be of any help for the common user. Thus, I often faced a rewrite rather than a translation. > > I have never touched OS/2 since then except for one client who ran an OS/2 server - which basically was the Lan Manager server OS. The server was later replaced with an NT Server when version 3.5 came out. > > Did you write about OS/2? > > /gustav > > >>>> fuller.artful at gmail.com 18-11-2011 15:33 >>> > My first box was purchased on March 15, 1983. It was a Unitron, a clone of > the Apple II. It came with Apple SOS and a CP/M card containing 48K of RAM. > First thing I bought was a 16K expansion card. I used to run WordStar, > Supercalc and dBASE II on it. It took about a month to become skilled at > dBASE II and from then on I've been hooked on databases. > > Speaking of OS/2, at that time I was a freelance journalist working for > several magazines, writing mostly software reviews etc. IBM flew a bunch of > journalists to Bletchley Park to unveil OS/2. Bletchley park initially > became famous as the place where they cracked the Enigma machine. > > A. > > On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 8:43 AM, Gustav Brock wrote: > >> Hi Arthur >> >> I'll share a part of my memory that for some unknown reason popped forward >> the other day: >> >> Do you remember the time when OS/2 was moving ahead, that a major issue to >> discuss was if it would be able to launch in a machine equipped with 4 MB >> of RAM? >> I don't recall what made 4 MB a magic number but today, where 4 GB is >> standard in main-level machines, it is hard to imagine that this parameter >> could get any attention at all. >> Perhaps it was cost - I guess 1 MB of RAM at those days equals 4 GB today. >> Didn't Compaq manufacture a full-length(!) add-in board with 3 MB extended >> RAM? At a fortune. >> >> /gustav > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Fri Nov 18 19:36:33 2011 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2011 11:36:33 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] What got you interested in technology? IT's rich and famous share their memories In-Reply-To: <254E8F6F-630D-4351-8531-CF226887FA97@phulse.com> References: , <254E8F6F-630D-4351-8531-CF226887FA97@phulse.com> Message-ID: <4EC70821.23796.33ADDFA4@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> I got my Amiga 500 in 1987 (?), which was 20 years after I wrote my first Fortran program :-) -- Stuart On 18 Nov 2011 at 17:11, Hans-Christian Andersen wrote: > I envy you all. :) I was just a wee sprog in those days. My first > exposure to programming was Logo and then the ball got rolling once I > got my Amiga 500. But I still missed out on a lot before that. > > - Hans > > Sent from my iPhone > From hans.andersen at phulse.com Fri Nov 18 19:51:45 2011 From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen) Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 17:51:45 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] What got you interested in technology? IT's rich and famous share their memories In-Reply-To: <4EC70821.23796.33ADDFA4@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <254E8F6F-630D-4351-8531-CF226887FA97@phulse.com> <4EC70821.23796.33ADDFA4@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <70777255-5D0D-45C1-B52F-9A4271E36F31@phulse.com> And what a fine machine it was. I still lament the fact that I no longer have mine. - Hans Sent from my iPhone On 2011-11-18, at 5:36 PM, "Stuart McLachlan" wrote: > I got my Amiga 500 in 1987 (?), which was 20 years after I wrote my first Fortran program :-) > > -- > Stuart > > On 18 Nov 2011 at 17:11, Hans-Christian Andersen wrote: > >> I envy you all. :) I was just a wee sprog in those days. My first >> exposure to programming was Logo and then the ball got rolling once I >> got my Amiga 500. But I still missed out on a lot before that. >> >> - Hans >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Fri Nov 18 20:15:01 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 18:15:01 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] What got you interested in technology? IT's rich andfamous share their memories In-Reply-To: <4EC70821.23796.33ADDFA4@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <254E8F6F-630D-4351-8531-CF226887FA97@phulse.com> <4EC70821.23796.33ADDFA4@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <34BA5BDE06A74D388607E11481263ACB@creativesystemdesigns.com> 1967....so you were helping with landing men on the moon? Who were you working for? I did not get into computers until 10 or 11 years later. FORTRAN was a great program. No other program ever exceeded its ability to do a core dump of 200 pages, becuase of a single misplaced or missing period. That is why there was always a senior tech on site when ever there was a seies compiling to be done...so they could kill a run-a-way process on the main frame. ;-) But it was fast... And it was great for teaching Octal math used for calculating varibale offsets in the common block. I must say I was actually quite good at it. ;-) Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 5:37 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] What got you interested in technology? IT's rich andfamous share their memories I got my Amiga 500 in 1987 (?), which was 20 years after I wrote my first Fortran program :-) -- Stuart On 18 Nov 2011 at 17:11, Hans-Christian Andersen wrote: > I envy you all. :) I was just a wee sprog in those days. My first > exposure to programming was Logo and then the ball got rolling once I > got my Amiga 500. But I still missed out on a lot before that. > > - Hans > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Fri Nov 18 22:43:20 2011 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 20:43:20 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] What got you interested in technology? IT's richandfamous share their memories In-Reply-To: <34BA5BDE06A74D388607E11481263ACB@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <254E8F6F-630D-4351-8531-CF226887FA97@phulse.com><4EC70821.23796.33ADDFA4@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <34BA5BDE06A74D388607E11481263ACB@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: I did the same with hexadecimal programming 360s on BAL. Used to be pretty fast adding 1EF to BC2. As an undergraduate I asked a prof I was taking a course from in programming if I could proficiency the course by writing a sufficiently complex program. I proposed a cross reference indexer for FORTRAN programs. Input was the FORTRAN source code. Output was all of the variables and the lines they appeared in. There was no cross reference function for FORTRAN at the time. Write a program with 10,000 lines and have a problem with a variable, you'd have to search all the lines to find occurrences of that variable. I wrote it in assembler. And I got the A. Then I decided on a lark to try to sell it. Got some free PR through the trade mags, got bingo numbers (remember 'circle the number for more information'?), mailed out a piece to the responders describing the program. And they started to sell! I shipped the program by parcel post on punched cards - about 7-800 of them IIRC. I didn't sell many of them. But the price was $40 - which was my monthly rent at the time, I believe. That's what hooked me - not the computers or the technology - but the idea that I could have as much fun as possible playing with the world's best toys and people would push money at me for doing it. I would never have to work a day in my life. Just write a program and sell it ten times. Or a hundred. Or a thousand. I was 19. Now I'm 62 and still doing the same freaking thing. Except, if everything goes well over the next year, I'll be done with it. Going to stop. Except I have this idea for an app - health related - consumer program - could sell thousands. I guess I don't really want to stop. I just don't want to HAVE to work. R -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 6:15 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] What got you interested in technology? IT's richandfamous share their memories 1967....so you were helping with landing men on the moon? Who were you working for? I did not get into computers until 10 or 11 years later. FORTRAN was a great program. No other program ever exceeded its ability to do a core dump of 200 pages, becuase of a single misplaced or missing period. That is why there was always a senior tech on site when ever there was a seies compiling to be done...so they could kill a run-a-way process on the main frame. ;-) But it was fast... And it was great for teaching Octal math used for calculating varibale offsets in the common block. I must say I was actually quite good at it. ;-) Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 5:37 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] What got you interested in technology? IT's rich andfamous share their memories I got my Amiga 500 in 1987 (?), which was 20 years after I wrote my first Fortran program :-) -- Stuart On 18 Nov 2011 at 17:11, Hans-Christian Andersen wrote: > I envy you all. :) I was just a wee sprog in those days. My first > exposure to programming was Logo and then the ball got rolling once I > got my Amiga 500. But I still missed out on a lot before that. > > - Hans > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Sat Nov 19 11:42:02 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2011 09:42:02 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] What got you interested in technology? IT'srichandfamous share their memories In-Reply-To: References: <254E8F6F-630D-4351-8531-CF226887FA97@phulse.com> <4EC70821.23796.33ADDFA4@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <34BA5BDE06A74D388607E11481263ACB@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <197872641C934ADBBB0266177E35F6FF@creativesystemdesigns.com> I love that story... you were on the way to becoming the next Zuckerberg. So what editor did you use? Some one line thing? The price is relative...$40 then is equal to $750 today. Trust me, you will never quit working, in theory I have retired but for the last month and a half, 16 hour days...but with the appropriate naps of course, after all I am not 19 anymore. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 8:43 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] What got you interested in technology? IT'srichandfamous share their memories I did the same with hexadecimal programming 360s on BAL. Used to be pretty fast adding 1EF to BC2. As an undergraduate I asked a prof I was taking a course from in programming if I could proficiency the course by writing a sufficiently complex program. I proposed a cross reference indexer for FORTRAN programs. Input was the FORTRAN source code. Output was all of the variables and the lines they appeared in. There was no cross reference function for FORTRAN at the time. Write a program with 10,000 lines and have a problem with a variable, you'd have to search all the lines to find occurrences of that variable. I wrote it in assembler. And I got the A. Then I decided on a lark to try to sell it. Got some free PR through the trade mags, got bingo numbers (remember 'circle the number for more information'?), mailed out a piece to the responders describing the program. And they started to sell! I shipped the program by parcel post on punched cards - about 7-800 of them IIRC. I didn't sell many of them. But the price was $40 - which was my monthly rent at the time, I believe. That's what hooked me - not the computers or the technology - but the idea that I could have as much fun as possible playing with the world's best toys and people would push money at me for doing it. I would never have to work a day in my life. Just write a program and sell it ten times. Or a hundred. Or a thousand. I was 19. Now I'm 62 and still doing the same freaking thing. Except, if everything goes well over the next year, I'll be done with it. Going to stop. Except I have this idea for an app - health related - consumer program - could sell thousands. I guess I don't really want to stop. I just don't want to HAVE to work. R -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 6:15 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] What got you interested in technology? IT's richandfamous share their memories 1967....so you were helping with landing men on the moon? Who were you working for? I did not get into computers until 10 or 11 years later. FORTRAN was a great program. No other program ever exceeded its ability to do a core dump of 200 pages, becuase of a single misplaced or missing period. That is why there was always a senior tech on site when ever there was a seies compiling to be done...so they could kill a run-a-way process on the main frame. ;-) But it was fast... And it was great for teaching Octal math used for calculating varibale offsets in the common block. I must say I was actually quite good at it. ;-) Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 5:37 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] What got you interested in technology? IT's rich andfamous share their memories I got my Amiga 500 in 1987 (?), which was 20 years after I wrote my first Fortran program :-) -- Stuart On 18 Nov 2011 at 17:11, Hans-Christian Andersen wrote: > I envy you all. :) I was just a wee sprog in those days. My first > exposure to programming was Logo and then the ball got rolling once I > got my Amiga 500. But I still missed out on a lot before that. > > - Hans > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Sat Nov 19 12:05:25 2011 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2011 10:05:25 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] What got you interested in technology?IT'srichandfamous share their memories In-Reply-To: <197872641C934ADBBB0266177E35F6FF@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <254E8F6F-630D-4351-8531-CF226887FA97@phulse.com><4EC70821.23796.33ADDFA4@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg><34BA5BDE06A74D388607E11481263ACB@creativesystemdesigns.com> <197872641C934ADBBB0266177E35F6FF@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: Well, actually about $240 today. Still if you could sell a couple of dozen a semester that would cover a multitude of sins. Editor? Hahahahahah...punched cards. No monitors, no word processors. Just cards. Well, actually about $2140 You might write out your program by hand to start with - get an idea of how you want it to look. Then, once the first draft was on the cards, you could print the cards and use the listing to mark up. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2011 9:42 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] What got you interested in technology?IT'srichandfamous share their memories I love that story... you were on the way to becoming the next Zuckerberg. So what editor did you use? Some one line thing? The price is relative...$40 then is equal to $750 today. Trust me, you will never quit working, in theory I have retired but for the last month and a half, 16 hour days...but with the appropriate naps of course, after all I am not 19 anymore. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 8:43 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] What got you interested in technology? IT'srichandfamous share their memories I did the same with hexadecimal programming 360s on BAL. Used to be pretty fast adding 1EF to BC2. As an undergraduate I asked a prof I was taking a course from in programming if I could proficiency the course by writing a sufficiently complex program. I proposed a cross reference indexer for FORTRAN programs. Input was the FORTRAN source code. Output was all of the variables and the lines they appeared in. There was no cross reference function for FORTRAN at the time. Write a program with 10,000 lines and have a problem with a variable, you'd have to search all the lines to find occurrences of that variable. I wrote it in assembler. And I got the A. Then I decided on a lark to try to sell it. Got some free PR through the trade mags, got bingo numbers (remember 'circle the number for more information'?), mailed out a piece to the responders describing the program. And they started to sell! I shipped the program by parcel post on punched cards - about 7-800 of them IIRC. I didn't sell many of them. But the price was $40 - which was my monthly rent at the time, I believe. That's what hooked me - not the computers or the technology - but the idea that I could have as much fun as possible playing with the world's best toys and people would push money at me for doing it. I would never have to work a day in my life. Just write a program and sell it ten times. Or a hundred. Or a thousand. I was 19. Now I'm 62 and still doing the same freaking thing. Except, if everything goes well over the next year, I'll be done with it. Going to stop. Except I have this idea for an app - health related - consumer program - could sell thousands. I guess I don't really want to stop. I just don't want to HAVE to work. R -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 6:15 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] What got you interested in technology? IT's richandfamous share their memories 1967....so you were helping with landing men on the moon? Who were you working for? I did not get into computers until 10 or 11 years later. FORTRAN was a great program. No other program ever exceeded its ability to do a core dump of 200 pages, becuase of a single misplaced or missing period. That is why there was always a senior tech on site when ever there was a seies compiling to be done...so they could kill a run-a-way process on the main frame. ;-) But it was fast... And it was great for teaching Octal math used for calculating varibale offsets in the common block. I must say I was actually quite good at it. ;-) Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 5:37 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] What got you interested in technology? IT's rich andfamous share their memories I got my Amiga 500 in 1987 (?), which was 20 years after I wrote my first Fortran program :-) -- Stuart On 18 Nov 2011 at 17:11, Hans-Christian Andersen wrote: > I envy you all. :) I was just a wee sprog in those days. My first > exposure to programming was Logo and then the ball got rolling once I > got my Amiga 500. But I still missed out on a lot before that. > > - Hans > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Sun Nov 20 12:34:26 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2011 10:34:26 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] What got you interested in technology?IT'srichandfamous share their memories In-Reply-To: References: <254E8F6F-630D-4351-8531-CF226887FA97@phulse.com> <4EC70821.23796.33ADDFA4@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <34BA5BDE06A74D388607E11481263ACB@creativesystemdesigns.com> <197872641C934ADBBB0266177E35F6FF@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <76ED0B78DF774629BB5AC1C639670F7B@creativesystemdesigns.com> Wow, that is cheap... a basement room with a bathroom rents $750 here. Only worked on punch cards for a two-month period...it was hell but I did discover that holes could be re-filled using wood-glue very effectively. Then a terminal version appeared and people would wait in a line up for 2 or 3 hours just to key in a 50 line piece of code or wait outside the office from 5 AM in the morning and the old key-punch would sit idle waiting for the few that could actually type, mostly women...typing fast with two to four fingers doesn't count. (That was one of the perks of my wife...she could actually keyboard!!) The college had to have a monitors constantly on site to break up fights and stop people hogging the terminal and finally they opened the office 24x7. It was the one place on campus that was always open and busy. The next year a dozen terminals were brought in. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2011 10:05 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] What got you interested in technology?IT'srichandfamous share their memories Well, actually about $240 today. Still if you could sell a couple of dozen a semester that would cover a multitude of sins. Editor? Hahahahahah...punched cards. No monitors, no word processors. Just cards. Well, actually about $2140 You might write out your program by hand to start with - get an idea of how you want it to look. Then, once the first draft was on the cards, you could print the cards and use the listing to mark up. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2011 9:42 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] What got you interested in technology?IT'srichandfamous share their memories I love that story... you were on the way to becoming the next Zuckerberg. So what editor did you use? Some one line thing? The price is relative...$40 then is equal to $750 today. Trust me, you will never quit working, in theory I have retired but for the last month and a half, 16 hour days...but with the appropriate naps of course, after all I am not 19 anymore. Jim Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sun Nov 20 12:51:27 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2011 13:51:27 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] What got you interested in technology?IT'srichandfamous share their memories In-Reply-To: <76ED0B78DF774629BB5AC1C639670F7B@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <254E8F6F-630D-4351-8531-CF226887FA97@phulse.com> <4EC70821.23796.33ADDFA4@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <34BA5BDE06A74D388607E11481263ACB@creativesystemdesigns.com> <197872641C934ADBBB0266177E35F6FF@creativesystemdesigns.com> <76ED0B78DF774629BB5AC1C639670F7B@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: Access to computing technology remains problematic, as evinced by an event in Toronto about a week ago. In the Toronto City Hall library, a fight broke out over use of a workstation, and a 22-y-o man stabbed a 45-yo-man twice, once in the neck and again in the chest. Perhaps ironically, this occurred right in the middle of our mayor Rob (Cutbacks) Ford's attempts to close a bunch of branches, reduce hours to those remaining, and shave about 15% of the staff. A. On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 1:34 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > ... The college had to have a monitors constantly on site to break up fights and > stop people hogging the terminal and finally they opened the office 24x7. > It > was the one place on campus that was always open and busy. The next year a > dozen terminals were brought in. > > Jim > > From fuller.artful at gmail.com Mon Nov 21 15:37:27 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2011 16:37:27 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Enough of Chrome Message-ID: I like Google's approach etc. and have given Chrome the benefit of the doubt for the past few months, but the past couple of days' frustration have compelled me to move on. There are simply too many silly little problems with Chrome. I haven't abandoned ship, but for now, later, as it were. Bye, bye, Chrome, until you fix some really basic problems. -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Thirty spokes converge on a hub but it's the emptiness that makes a wheel work -- from the Daodejing From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Mon Nov 21 15:49:01 2011 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 07:49:01 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Enough of Chrome In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4ECAC74D.19924.4250B23A@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> I only use it occassionally. What problems have you come across? -- Stuart On 21 Nov 2011 at 16:37, Arthur Fuller wrote: > I like Google's approach etc. and have given Chrome the benefit of the > doubt for the past few months, but the past couple of days' frustration > have compelled me to move on. There are simply too many silly little > problems with Chrome. I haven't abandoned ship, but for now, later, as it > were. Bye, bye, Chrome, until you fix some really basic problems. > > -- > Arthur > Cell: 647.710.1314 > > Thirty spokes converge on a hub > but it's the emptiness > that makes a wheel work > -- from the Daodejing > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From john at winhaven.net Mon Nov 21 16:00:54 2011 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2011 16:00:54 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Enough of Chrome In-Reply-To: <4ECAC74D.19924.4250B23A@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <4ECAC74D.19924.4250B23A@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <02cd01cca899$0b335d40$219a17c0$@winhaven.net> I find it's like living with a sliver. I set it up for people to use as their "online gaming browser" but otherwise just haven't had satisfaction with it. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Monday, November 21, 2011 3:49 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Enough of Chrome I only use it occassionally. What problems have you come across? -- Stuart On 21 Nov 2011 at 16:37, Arthur Fuller wrote: > I like Google's approach etc. and have given Chrome the benefit of the > doubt for the past few months, but the past couple of days' > frustration have compelled me to move on. There are simply too many > silly little problems with Chrome. I haven't abandoned ship, but for > now, later, as it were. Bye, bye, Chrome, until you fix some really basic problems. > > -- > Arthur > Cell: 647.710.1314 > > Thirty spokes converge on a hub > but it's the emptiness > that makes a wheel work > -- from the Daodejing > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Mon Nov 21 16:02:31 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2011 17:02:31 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Enough of Chrome In-Reply-To: <4ECAC74D.19924.4250B23A@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <4ECAC74D.19924.4250B23A@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: 1. Way too many "page not found" when they were loaded successfully in the previous session. 2. Inability to remember changed preferences. 3. Inability to recognize "load current pages" on startup; keeps reverting to old version of this. That will do for now, but while slagging Google, I have another beef, with Gmail. Way too frequently, I compose a new message or reply to a received message, and then get a message telling me that I have replied to a Trashed Message. Now how could this occur when composing a new message? And how could this occur when replying to a non-trashed message? (Admittedly, this is easily fixed; just drag the message back into Inbox, but still, why should I have to do this? Makes no sense, particularly when sending a new message.) And on both scores, I find the lack of response from Google's support staff wanting, to say the least. I send mail and apparently it evaporates into the aether. I must have sent a dozen messages to Google Support and yet to receive a single answer. I realize they have jillions of users, but one would think that after a few months, my messages would eventually bubble to the top, but apparently not. Arthur On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 4:49 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote: > I only use it occassionally. What problems have you come across? > > -- > Stuart > > On 21 Nov 2011 at 16:37, Arthur Fuller wrote: > > > I like Google's approach etc. and have given Chrome the benefit of the > > doubt for the past few months, but the past couple of days' frustration > > have compelled me to move on. There are simply too many silly little > > problems with Chrome. I haven't abandoned ship, but for now, later, as it > > were. Bye, bye, Chrome, until you fix some really basic problems. > > > > -- > > Arthur > > Cell: 647.710.1314 > > > > Thirty spokes converge on a hub > > but it's the emptiness > > that makes a wheel work > > -- from the Daodejing > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Cell: 647.710.1314 Thirty spokes converge on a hub but it's the emptiness that makes a wheel work -- from the Daodejing From fuller.artful at gmail.com Mon Nov 21 16:43:57 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2011 17:43:57 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Can you spell superluminal? and define it? Message-ID: Superluminal = Faster Than Light (my suggestion for an abbreviation is FTL). Second measurements at CERN appear to verify initial measures. Now we just have to find a couple of places in the world that can do this measurement. To my knowledge there are only two (could be my ignorance on this subject) such places: Fermilab in Chicago, which already performed a similar run and got similar results, but were not confident in their data because their measuring tools were not as precise as those at CERN; they are now upgrading their equipment and should be able to verify within a year. The other facility is in Japan, but it's been out of commission since the earthquake and tsunami; could be a while before they're ready. Meanwhile we wait with baited breath, pondering the implications. Phone me tomorrow and I'll pick it up yesterday, or something :) -- A. Cell: 647.710.1314 Thirty spokes converge on a hub but it's the emptiness that makes a wheel work -- from the Daodejing From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Nov 21 17:01:51 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2011 15:01:51 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Enough of Chrome In-Reply-To: References: <4ECAC74D.19924.4250B23A@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <0DD6E8148F324396AE3A5F664A0A14AB@creativesystemdesigns.com> It does sound like you are having internet issues. One thing that will cause grief with Chrome is a lagging web site or internet...it tends to time-out. As ISPs keep adding more users, the users keep increasing their usage and the providers refuse to invest in the infrastructure the signal quality continues to depreciate. As an IT guy, I can improve the users experience, connect all their computers, install all their browsers...of any flavour they want but I can do nothing to improve their internet quality unless they are willing to dig deep and pay more. I for one think the internet should be nationalized, just like the Post Office, the water supply, the electrical supply and so on, with fiber-optic cable to every community and then the to-house service can be provided by any number of third-party providers...no more monopoly as it serves nobody (except a very few companies) well. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Monday, November 21, 2011 2:03 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Enough of Chrome 1. Way too many "page not found" when they were loaded successfully in the previous session. 2. Inability to remember changed preferences. 3. Inability to recognize "load current pages" on startup; keeps reverting to old version of this. That will do for now, but while slagging Google, I have another beef, with Gmail. Way too frequently, I compose a new message or reply to a received message, and then get a message telling me that I have replied to a Trashed Message. Now how could this occur when composing a new message? And how could this occur when replying to a non-trashed message? (Admittedly, this is easily fixed; just drag the message back into Inbox, but still, why should I have to do this? Makes no sense, particularly when sending a new message.) And on both scores, I find the lack of response from Google's support staff wanting, to say the least. I send mail and apparently it evaporates into the aether. I must have sent a dozen messages to Google Support and yet to receive a single answer. I realize they have jillions of users, but one would think that after a few months, my messages would eventually bubble to the top, but apparently not. Arthur On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 4:49 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote: > I only use it occassionally. What problems have you come across? > > -- > Stuart > > On 21 Nov 2011 at 16:37, Arthur Fuller wrote: > > > I like Google's approach etc. and have given Chrome the benefit of the > > doubt for the past few months, but the past couple of days' frustration > > have compelled me to move on. There are simply too many silly little > > problems with Chrome. I haven't abandoned ship, but for now, later, as it > > were. Bye, bye, Chrome, until you fix some really basic problems. > > > > -- > > Arthur > > Cell: 647.710.1314 > > > > Thirty spokes converge on a hub > > but it's the emptiness > > that makes a wheel work > > -- from the Daodejing > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Cell: 647.710.1314 Thirty spokes converge on a hub but it's the emptiness that makes a wheel work -- from the Daodejing _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jon.tydda at lonza.com Tue Nov 22 03:14:54 2011 From: jon.tydda at lonza.com (Tydda Jon - Slough) Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 04:14:54 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Can you spell superluminal? and define it? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The only practical use for time travel is so that I can sleep in as long as I want, and still get to work on time :-) Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: 21 November 2011 22:44 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Can you spell superluminal? and define it? Superluminal = Faster Than Light (my suggestion for an abbreviation is FTL). Second measurements at CERN appear to verify initial measures. Now we just have to find a couple of places in the world that can do this measurement. To my knowledge there are only two (could be my ignorance on this subject) such places: Fermilab in Chicago, which already performed a similar run and got similar results, but were not confident in their data because their measuring tools were not as precise as those at CERN; they are now upgrading their equipment and should be able to verify within a year. The other facility is in Japan, but it's been out of commission since the earthquake and tsunami; could be a while before they're ready. Meanwhile we wait with baited breath, pondering the implications. Phone me tomorrow and I'll pick it up yesterday, or something :) -- A. Cell: 647.710.1314 Thirty spokes converge on a hub but it's the emptiness that makes a wheel work -- from the Daodejing _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com This communication and its attachments, if any, may contain confidential and privileged information the use of which by other persons or entities than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you receive this transmission in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete the material from your system. From hans.andersen at phulse.com Tue Nov 22 03:17:12 2011 From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen) Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 01:17:12 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Enough of Chrome In-Reply-To: References: <4ECAC74D.19924.4250B23A@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: Hi arthur, I find that curious. I've been using chrome (and chromium when on linux) as my primary browser for at least 2-3 years and haven't ever really hit any of the issues you mentioned. I did have some weird bug happen once but they fixed it within a day and that was a while back in the early days. You may be having internet issues as Jim suggested, but I guess this might also happen as a result of their frequent rolling releases/patches (maybe something peculiar to your system setup?). What are they on now... Version 256? ;) Well, I don't have problems, but I wouldn't be able to abandon it even if I did. Web kit inspector is such a valuable tool for debugging in web development. - Hans On 21 Nov 2011, at 14:02, Arthur Fuller wrote: > 1. Way too many "page not found" when they were loaded successfully in the > previous session. > 2. Inability to remember changed preferences. > 3. Inability to recognize "load current pages" on startup; keeps reverting > to old version of this. > > That will do for now, but while slagging Google, I have another beef, with > Gmail. Way too frequently, I compose a new message or reply to a received > message, and then get a message telling me that I have replied to a Trashed > Message. Now how could this occur when composing a new message? And how > could this occur when replying to a non-trashed message? (Admittedly, this > is easily fixed; just drag the message back into Inbox, but still, why > should I have to do this? Makes no sense, particularly when sending a new > message.) > > And on both scores, I find the lack of response from Google's support staff > wanting, to say the least. I send mail and apparently it evaporates into > the aether. I must have sent a dozen messages to Google Support and yet to > receive a single answer. I realize they have jillions of users, but one > would think that after a few months, my messages would eventually bubble to > the top, but apparently not. > > Arthur > > On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 4:49 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote: > >> I only use it occassionally. What problems have you come across? >> >> -- >> Stuart >> >> On 21 Nov 2011 at 16:37, Arthur Fuller wrote: >> >>> I like Google's approach etc. and have given Chrome the benefit of the >>> doubt for the past few months, but the past couple of days' frustration >>> have compelled me to move on. There are simply too many silly little >>> problems with Chrome. I haven't abandoned ship, but for now, later, as it >>> were. Bye, bye, Chrome, until you fix some really basic problems. >>> >>> -- >>> Arthur >>> Cell: 647.710.1314 >>> >>> Thirty spokes converge on a hub >>> but it's the emptiness >>> that makes a wheel work >>> -- from the Daodejing >>> _______________________________________________ >>> dba-Tech mailing list >>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > > > > -- > Cell: 647.710.1314 > > Thirty spokes converge on a hub > but it's the emptiness > that makes a wheel work > -- from the Daodejing > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Tue Nov 22 04:56:41 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 05:56:41 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Enough of Chrome In-Reply-To: References: <4ECAC74D.19924.4250B23A@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: You're probably both right, and I'm mistaken blaming it on Chrome, which generally speaking, I like quite a lot. Therre is one serious bug that irritates me, however. Quite often when I reply to a message, and occasionally even when I create a new message, I get a response from the browser to the effect that "You have replied to a Trashed conversation. You will not see it unless you move it to the Inbox." It's not destructive, in that sense of "bug", but it is irritating. You're right, I think, and I think that I can cough up more dough to my provider to obtain faster connections. Unfortunately, I'm on a fixed and decidedly limited income. O well, such are the splendours of retirement. Arthur On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 4:17 AM, Hans-Christian Andersen < hans.andersen at phulse.com> wrote: > Hi arthur, > > I find that curious. I've been using chrome (and chromium when on linux) > as my primary browser for at least 2-3 years and haven't ever really hit > any of the issues you mentioned. I did have some weird bug happen once but > they fixed it within a day and that was a while back in the early days. You > may be having internet issues as Jim suggested, but I guess this might also > happen as a result of their frequent rolling releases/patches (maybe > something peculiar to your system setup?). What are they on now... Version > 256? ;) > > Well, I don't have problems, but I wouldn't be able to abandon it even if > I did. Web kit inspector is such a valuable tool for debugging in web > development. > > - Hans > > > On 21 Nov 2011, at 14:02, Arthur Fuller wrote: > > > 1. Way too many "page not found" when they were loaded successfully in > the > > previous session. > > 2. Inability to remember changed preferences. > > 3. Inability to recognize "load current pages" on startup; keeps > reverting > > to old version of this. > > > > That will do for now, but while slagging Google, I have another beef, > with > > Gmail. Way too frequently, I compose a new message or reply to a received > > message, and then get a message telling me that I have replied to a > Trashed > > Message. Now how could this occur when composing a new message? And how > > could this occur when replying to a non-trashed message? (Admittedly, > this > > is easily fixed; just drag the message back into Inbox, but still, why > > should I have to do this? Makes no sense, particularly when sending a new > > message.) > > > > And on both scores, I find the lack of response from Google's support > staff > > wanting, to say the least. I send mail and apparently it evaporates into > > the aether. I must have sent a dozen messages to Google Support and yet > to > > receive a single answer. I realize they have jillions of users, but one > > would think that after a few months, my messages would eventually bubble > to > > the top, but apparently not. > > > > Arthur > > > > On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 4:49 PM, Stuart McLachlan < > stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>wrote: > > > >> I only use it occassionally. What problems have you come across? > >> > >> -- > >> Stuart > >> > >> On 21 Nov 2011 at 16:37, Arthur Fuller wrote: > >> > >>> I like Google's approach etc. and have given Chrome the benefit of the > >>> doubt for the past few months, but the past couple of days' frustration > >>> have compelled me to move on. There are simply too many silly little > >>> problems with Chrome. I haven't abandoned ship, but for now, later, as > it > >>> were. Bye, bye, Chrome, until you fix some really basic problems. > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Arthur > >>> Cell: 647.710.1314 > >>> > >>> Thirty spokes converge on a hub > >>> but it's the emptiness > >>> that makes a wheel work > >>> -- from the Daodejing > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> dba-Tech mailing list > >>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> dba-Tech mailing list > >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > Cell: 647.710.1314 > > > > Thirty spokes converge on a hub > > but it's the emptiness > > that makes a wheel work > > -- from the Daodejing > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Cell: 647.710.1314 Thirty spokes converge on a hub but it's the emptiness that makes a wheel work -- from the Daodejing From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Tue Nov 22 05:44:34 2011 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 21:44:34 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Enough of Chrome In-Reply-To: References: , , Message-ID: <4ECB8B22.29084.454DAC41@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Ahhh! The dreaded Byte rollover bug, It thinks it's on Version 0. -- Stuart On 22 Nov 2011 at 1:17, Hans-Christian Andersen wrote: > What are they on now... Version 256? ;) > From fuller.artful at gmail.com Tue Nov 22 05:56:20 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 06:56:20 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Interesting waste of time: a JVM written in JavaScript Message-ID: See: http://www.i-programmer.info/news/167-javascript/3360-javascript-jvm-runs-java.html -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Thirty spokes converge on a hub but it's the emptiness that makes a wheel work -- from the Daodejing From tinanfields at torchlake.com Tue Nov 22 07:33:06 2011 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 08:33:06 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Can you spell superluminal? and define it? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4ECBA492.6010600@torchlake.com> Arthur, Ever since the first report of apparent FTL motion, I've been waiting to hear or see confirmation. Then, the second report came. Now, I'm excited that we are about to really learn something new about our physical universe. Isn't this great? T Tina Norris Fields tinanfields at torchlake.com 231-322-2787 On 11/21/2011 5:43 PM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > Superluminal = Faster Than Light (my suggestion for an abbreviation is > FTL). Second measurements at CERN appear to verify initial measures. Now we > just have to find a couple of places in the world that can do this > measurement. To my knowledge there are only two (could be my ignorance on > this subject) such places: Fermilab in Chicago, which already performed a > similar run and got similar results, but were not confident in their data > because their measuring tools were not as precise as those at CERN; they > are now upgrading their equipment and should be able to verify within a > year. The other facility is in Japan, but it's been out of commission since > the earthquake and tsunami; could be a while before they're ready. > Meanwhile we wait with baited breath, pondering the implications. > > Phone me tomorrow and I'll pick it up yesterday, or something :) From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Tue Nov 22 07:43:10 2011 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 23:43:10 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Can you spell superluminal? and define it? In-Reply-To: <4ECBA492.6010600@torchlake.com> References: , <4ECBA492.6010600@torchlake.com> Message-ID: <4ECBA6EE.190.45BA424B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> OTOH: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/11/21/neutrinos_not_so_fast/ On 22 Nov 2011 at 8:33, Tina Norris Fields wrote: > Arthur, > Ever since the first report of apparent FTL motion, I've been waiting to > hear or see confirmation. Then, the second report came. Now, I'm > excited that we are about to really learn something new about our > physical universe. Isn't this great? > T > > Tina Norris Fields > tinanfields at torchlake.com > 231-322-2787 > > > On 11/21/2011 5:43 PM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > > Superluminal = Faster Than Light (my suggestion for an abbreviation is > > FTL). Second measurements at CERN appear to verify initial measures. Now we > > just have to find a couple of places in the world that can do this > > measurement. To my knowledge there are only two (could be my ignorance on > > this subject) such places: Fermilab in Chicago, which already performed a > > similar run and got similar results, but were not confident in their data > > because their measuring tools were not as precise as those at CERN; they > > are now upgrading their equipment and should be able to verify within a > > year. The other facility is in Japan, but it's been out of commission since > > the earthquake and tsunami; could be a while before they're ready. > > Meanwhile we wait with baited breath, pondering the implications. > > > > Phone me tomorrow and I'll pick it up yesterday, or something :) > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Tue Nov 22 09:10:07 2011 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (rockysmolin at bchacc.com) Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 08:10:07 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Enough of Chrome Message-ID: <20111122081007.86c3debdd1c3983866efe200e2feb95f.4631276bb6.wbe@email18.secureserver.net> What's your connection speed? Rocky -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Enough of Chrome From: Arthur Fuller Date: Tue, November 22, 2011 3:56 am To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues You're probably both right, and I'm mistaken blaming it on Chrome, which generally speaking, I like quite a lot. Therre is one serious bug that irritates me, however. Quite often when I reply to a message, and occasionally even when I create a new message, I get a response from the browser to the effect that "You have replied to a Trashed conversation. You will not see it unless you move it to the Inbox." It's not destructive, in that sense of "bug", but it is irritating. You're right, I think, and I think that I can cough up more dough to my provider to obtain faster connections. Unfortunately, I'm on a fixed and decidedly limited income. O well, such are the splendours of retirement. Arthur On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 4:17 AM, Hans-Christian Andersen < hans.andersen at phulse.com> wrote: > Hi arthur, > > I find that curious. I've been using chrome (and chromium when on linux) > as my primary browser for at least 2-3 years and haven't ever really hit > any of the issues you mentioned. I did have some weird bug happen once but > they fixed it within a day and that was a while back in the early days. You > may be having internet issues as Jim suggested, but I guess this might also > happen as a result of their frequent rolling releases/patches (maybe > something peculiar to your system setup?). What are they on now... Version > 256? ;) > > Well, I don't have problems, but I wouldn't be able to abandon it even if > I did. Web kit inspector is such a valuable tool for debugging in web > development. > > - Hans > > > On 21 Nov 2011, at 14:02, Arthur Fuller wrote: > > > 1. Way too many "page not found" when they were loaded successfully in > the > > previous session. > > 2. Inability to remember changed preferences. > > 3. Inability to recognize "load current pages" on startup; keeps > reverting > > to old version of this. > > > > That will do for now, but while slagging Google, I have another beef, > with > > Gmail. Way too frequently, I compose a new message or reply to a received > > message, and then get a message telling me that I have replied to a > Trashed > > Message. Now how could this occur when composing a new message? And how > > could this occur when replying to a non-trashed message? (Admittedly, > this > > is easily fixed; just drag the message back into Inbox, but still, why > > should I have to do this? Makes no sense, particularly when sending a new > > message.) > > > > And on both scores, I find the lack of response from Google's support > staff > > wanting, to say the least. I send mail and apparently it evaporates into > > the aether. I must have sent a dozen messages to Google Support and yet > to > > receive a single answer. I realize they have jillions of users, but one > > would think that after a few months, my messages would eventually bubble > to > > the top, but apparently not. > > > > Arthur > > > > On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 4:49 PM, Stuart McLachlan < > stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>wrote: > > > >> I only use it occassionally. What problems have you come across? > >> > >> -- > >> Stuart > >> > >> On 21 Nov 2011 at 16:37, Arthur Fuller wrote: > >> > >>> I like Google's approach etc. and have given Chrome the benefit of the > >>> doubt for the past few months, but the past couple of days' frustration > >>> have compelled me to move on. There are simply too many silly little > >>> problems with Chrome. I haven't abandoned ship, but for now, later, as > it > >>> were. Bye, bye, Chrome, until you fix some really basic problems. > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Arthur > >>> Cell: 647.710.1314 > >>> > >>> Thirty spokes converge on a hub > >>> but it's the emptiness > >>> that makes a wheel work > >>> -- from the Daodejing > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> dba-Tech mailing list > >>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> dba-Tech mailing list > >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > Cell: 647.710.1314 > > > > Thirty spokes converge on a hub > > but it's the emptiness > > that makes a wheel work > > -- from the Daodejing > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Cell: 647.710.1314 Thirty spokes converge on a hub but it's the emptiness that makes a wheel work -- from the Daodejing _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Tue Nov 22 09:47:03 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 10:47:03 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Birth of the Intel 4004, the first microprocessor Message-ID: See http://www.i-programmer.info/history/machines/3345-birth-of-the-intel-4004-the-first-microprocessor.html . -- Cell: 647.710.1314 Thirty spokes converge on a hub but it's the emptiness that makes a wheel work -- from the Daodejing From tinanfields at torchlake.com Tue Nov 22 10:22:13 2011 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 11:22:13 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Can you spell superluminal? and define it? In-Reply-To: <4ECBA6EE.190.45BA424B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: , <4ECBA492.6010600@torchlake.com> <4ECBA6EE.190.45BA424B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <4ECBCC35.6030103@torchlake.com> Also very interesting. Can't be faster than light because their spectrum indicates they didn't have the anticipated energy loss. More than one premise being tested here. I can hardly wait to see how this all works out. In any event, we are going to learn something important. T Tina Norris Fields tinanfields at torchlake.com 231-322-2787 On 11/22/2011 8:43 AM, Stuart McLachlan wrote: > OTOH: > > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/11/21/neutrinos_not_so_fast/ > > > > On 22 Nov 2011 at 8:33, Tina Norris Fields wrote: > >> Arthur, >> Ever since the first report of apparent FTL motion, I've been waiting to >> hear or see confirmation. Then, the second report came. Now, I'm >> excited that we are about to really learn something new about our >> physical universe. Isn't this great? >> T >> >> Tina Norris Fields >> tinanfields at torchlake.com >> 231-322-2787 >> >> >> On 11/21/2011 5:43 PM, Arthur Fuller wrote: >>> Superluminal = Faster Than Light (my suggestion for an abbreviation is >>> FTL). Second measurements at CERN appear to verify initial measures. Now we >>> just have to find a couple of places in the world that can do this >>> measurement. To my knowledge there are only two (could be my ignorance on >>> this subject) such places: Fermilab in Chicago, which already performed a >>> similar run and got similar results, but were not confident in their data >>> because their measuring tools were not as precise as those at CERN; they >>> are now upgrading their equipment and should be able to verify within a >>> year. The other facility is in Japan, but it's been out of commission since >>> the earthquake and tsunami; could be a while before they're ready. >>> Meanwhile we wait with baited breath, pondering the implications. >>> >>> Phone me tomorrow and I'll pick it up yesterday, or something :) >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From fuller.artful at gmail.com Wed Nov 23 13:05:16 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2011 14:05:16 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Developing Mobile Apps Message-ID: I have an idea for an ever-expanding mobile app, which consists almost entirely of unrelated tables. My current sketch involves about a dozen tables, all of them read-only: they will serve as on-the-spot lookups and seldom if ever change (and any changes will be made by me, not the end-user). Think of it as an on-line reference. Never having tried to write a mobile app, any suggestions for tools to use in tackling this? I would like the app to be platform-agnostic if possible. TIA, Arthur -- Cell: 647.710.1314 Thirty spokes converge on a hub but it's the emptiness that makes a wheel work -- from the Daodejing From peter.brawley at earthlink.net Wed Nov 23 13:11:25 2011 From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley) Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2011 13:11:25 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Developing Mobile Apps In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4ECD455D.7060301@earthlink.net> On 11/23/2011 1:05 PM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > I have an idea for an ever-expanding mobile app, which consists almost > entirely of unrelated tables. My current sketch involves about a dozen > tables, all of them read-only: they will serve as on-the-spot lookups and > seldom if ever change (and any changes will be made by me, not the > end-user). Think of it as an on-line reference. > > Never having tried to write a mobile app, any suggestions for tools to use > in tackling this? I would like the app to be platform-agnostic if possible. Eclipse and its Android Development plugin. PB ----- > > TIA, > Arthur > From hans.andersen at phulse.com Wed Nov 23 19:11:31 2011 From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen) Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2011 17:11:31 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Developing Mobile Apps In-Reply-To: <4ECD455D.7060301@earthlink.net> References: <4ECD455D.7060301@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3EB200E6-2752-461D-A735-9A5C48551E50@phulse.com> Hi Arthur, If you want a platform agnostic app, might I suggest developing Phonegap. This will allow you to develop your app like a web application using tools that may perhaps already be familiar to you (HTML, JavaScript, CSS, etc). To add to that, you could use a web platform like Sencha Touch (or jquery mobile, though I believe Sencha touch has better performance and features). Developing it for Android will not make it platform agnostic and will significantly reduce your audience (especially a paying audience). The downside is that there is a limit to what you can do (ie. making 3D games or photo editing software). Have a look at Phonegap though. They support quite a range of platforms. Oh, and they are based in Vancouver as well. Best regards, Hans-Christian Andersen On 23 Nov 2011, at 11:11, Peter Brawley wrote: > On 11/23/2011 1:05 PM, Arthur Fuller wrote: >> I have an idea for an ever-expanding mobile app, which consists almost >> entirely of unrelated tables. My current sketch involves about a dozen >> tables, all of them read-only: they will serve as on-the-spot lookups and >> seldom if ever change (and any changes will be made by me, not the >> end-user). Think of it as an on-line reference. >> >> Never having tried to write a mobile app, any suggestions for tools to use >> in tackling this? I would like the app to be platform-agnostic if possible. > Eclipse and its Android Development plugin. > > PB > > ----- > >> >> TIA, >> Arthur >> > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Thu Nov 24 07:10:26 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2011 08:10:26 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Developing Mobile Apps In-Reply-To: <3EB200E6-2752-461D-A735-9A5C48551E50@phulse.com> References: <4ECD455D.7060301@earthlink.net> <3EB200E6-2752-461D-A735-9A5C48551E50@phulse.com> Message-ID: Thanks, Hans. I just downloaded it and am currently reading through the "Getting Started" guide. Arthur On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 8:11 PM, Hans-Christian Andersen < hans.andersen at phulse.com> wrote: > Hi Arthur, > > If you want a platform agnostic app, might I suggest developing Phonegap. > This will allow you to develop your app like a web application using tools > that may perhaps already be familiar to you (HTML, JavaScript, CSS, etc). > To add to that, you could use a web platform like Sencha Touch (or jquery > mobile, though I believe Sencha touch has better performance and features). > > Developing it for Android will not make it platform agnostic and will > significantly reduce your audience (especially a paying audience). > > The downside is that there is a limit to what you can do (ie. making 3D > games or photo editing software). > > Have a look at Phonegap though. They support quite a range of platforms. > Oh, and they are based in Vancouver as well. > > Best regards, > Hans-Christian Andersen > From hans.andersen at phulse.com Thu Nov 24 09:52:07 2011 From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen) Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2011 07:52:07 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Developing Mobile Apps In-Reply-To: References: <4ECD455D.7060301@earthlink.net> <3EB200E6-2752-461D-A735-9A5C48551E50@phulse.com> Message-ID: Great. Keep us updated on how it goes. Also, just wanted to make sure to emphasize that Phonegap is simply a platform that lets you package web apps as regular mobile apps and allow those web applications interface with the underlying phone features. Aside from giving you access to some of the underlying phone features and such, it doesn't provide much more than that. Sencha Touch, on the other hand, is a web framework designed for mobile platforms for rapid development of web apps, rather than having to code and design everything yourself from scratch, and works well in combination phonegap. Both of which are cross platform and separate products from separate companies, but work well together, although it is also possible to use Sencha Touch to design mobile friendly web sites for users surfing with a browser (killing 2 birds with one stone). I just wanted to make sure you definitely knew that these were two different things and get you off on the right start. :) There are, of course, other options, but I found these two to work best for what I am developing at the moment. Best of luck, - Hans On 2011-11-24, at 5:10 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > Thanks, Hans. I just downloaded it and am currently reading through the > "Getting Started" guide. > Arthur > > On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 8:11 PM, Hans-Christian Andersen < > hans.andersen at phulse.com> wrote: > >> Hi Arthur, >> >> If you want a platform agnostic app, might I suggest developing Phonegap. >> This will allow you to develop your app like a web application using tools >> that may perhaps already be familiar to you (HTML, JavaScript, CSS, etc). >> To add to that, you could use a web platform like Sencha Touch (or jquery >> mobile, though I believe Sencha touch has better performance and features). >> >> Developing it for Android will not make it platform agnostic and will >> significantly reduce your audience (especially a paying audience). >> >> The downside is that there is a limit to what you can do (ie. making 3D >> games or photo editing software). >> >> Have a look at Phonegap though. They support quite a range of platforms. >> Oh, and they are based in Vancouver as well. >> >> Best regards, >> Hans-Christian Andersen >> > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Thu Nov 24 10:48:34 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2011 11:48:34 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Developing Mobile Apps In-Reply-To: References: <4ECD455D.7060301@earthlink.net> <3EB200E6-2752-461D-A735-9A5C48551E50@phulse.com> Message-ID: All guidance is greatfully accepted! Thanks. A. On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 10:52 AM, Hans-Christian Andersen < hans.andersen at phulse.com> wrote: > > Great. Keep us updated on how it goes. > > Also, just wanted to make sure to emphasize that Phonegap is simply a > platform that lets you package web apps as regular mobile apps and allow > those web applications interface with the underlying phone features. Aside > from giving you access to some of the underlying phone features and such, > it doesn't provide much more than that. > > Sencha Touch, on the other hand, is a web framework designed for mobile > platforms for rapid development of web apps, rather than having to code and > design everything yourself from scratch, and works well in combination > phonegap. > > Both of which are cross platform and separate products from separate > companies, but work well together, although it is also possible to use > Sencha Touch to design mobile friendly web sites for users surfing with a > browser (killing 2 birds with one stone). > > I just wanted to make sure you definitely knew that these were two > different things and get you off on the right start. :) There are, of > course, other options, but I found these two to work best for what I am > developing at the moment. > > Best of luck, > - Hans > > From fuller.artful at gmail.com Thu Nov 24 14:31:37 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2011 15:31:37 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] WW II Redux Message-ID: America finances both sides of the Syrian situation, reminiscent of what occurred in Germany in WW II... http://www.wired.com/wiredenterprise/2011/11/american-computing-syria/ Arthur -- Cell: 647.710.1314 Thirty spokes converge on a hub but it's the emptiness that makes a wheel work -- from the Daodejing From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Thu Nov 24 15:26:01 2011 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2011 13:26:01 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] WW II Redux In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I a world awash in HP hardware I think it would be hard not to find its way into any system in the world. And I don't think HP can control it. Nor apparently the U.S. government. And if that hardware was sold to Syria two years ago then it would hardly be financing either side. Which is aside from the question of whether or not HP and/or the U.S. Government was complicit in allowing or encouraging sales to Syria. Certainly saying the "America finances both side..." is a stretch by what's presented in this article. Finances? Because some HP printers or laptops got bought by Syrians? Hardly 'financing'. I assume whoever bought the hardware paid for it - which means it wasn't financed - just bought apparently legally on the open market in an arm's length transaction. R -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2011 12:32 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] WW II Redux America finances both sides of the Syrian situation, reminiscent of what occurred in Germany in WW II... http://www.wired.com/wiredenterprise/2011/11/american-computing-syria/ Arthur -- Cell: 647.710.1314 Thirty spokes converge on a hub but it's the emptiness that makes a wheel work -- from the Daodejing _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Thu Nov 24 15:40:03 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2011 16:40:03 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] WW II Redux In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: You're quite right, I mis-spoke; I meant "supplied", not "financed". Similar to the Taliban back when USSR thought they might win in Afghanistan, and when in WW II General Motors supplied both sides. My bad wording, sorry about that. A. From accessd at shaw.ca Thu Nov 24 16:46:20 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2011 14:46:20 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Steve Balmer's nightmare In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2C56B56912404C33BF5DB0ACF017388E@creativesystemdesigns.com> If you have been making your living for years on Microsoft products but have been watching the innovations of previous product version becoming less and less and them not keeping up with today's new computer world, then you will understand. MS Access comes to mind. An incredible product, which should or could have been expanded with functionality, innovations in language, updated in capabilities/capacity and it had such a dedicated and loyal following of developers. Microsoft, in its infinite wisdom, abandoned its followers by producing one shoddy product after another...and now that loyalty has been lost and will take a lot of effort to recover it. http://www.businessinsider.com/steve-ballmers-nightmare-how-microsofts-busin ess-really-could-collapse-2011-11 Above is "Business Inside's" take on Microsoft's woes and what will happen if it does not get its ducks in a row, pick what products to support, realize that it no longer controls the market and build some good solid products. The consolation may be in that, Oracle, a long time adversary of Microsoft, is going through the same challenge. Jim From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Thu Nov 24 16:04:22 2011 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2011 14:04:22 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] WW II Redux In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9E7E01F627C644FB9782F3BDD42E1A75@HAL9007> No worries - but did HP supply them? Or did the U.S. Government supply them? Do you think either with a political objective as we supplied bin Laden in his fight against the Russians? R -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2011 1:40 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] WW II Redux You're quite right, I mis-spoke; I meant "supplied", not "financed". Similar to the Taliban back when USSR thought they might win in Afghanistan, and when in WW II General Motors supplied both sides. My bad wording, sorry about that. A. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Thu Nov 24 17:07:23 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2011 15:07:23 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Getting started in Cloud services In-Reply-To: <2C56B56912404C33BF5DB0ACF017388E@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <2C56B56912404C33BF5DB0ACF017388E@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: Getting involved with proprietary products, within a fledgling market, especially in the computer world has always been a potential road to disaster...one that may cost a company millions of dollars and with nothing to show for their efforts. The cloud is such a market, with so many offerings in where and how to host your products and development. There is Microsoft Azure, Google App Engine, or Amazon Web Services to name but a few. What has emerged is an Open Source competitor. http://www.cloudfoundry.com/ It is even being used and supported by HP; also, a supporter of Azure but it seems the company is keeping its options open. Check this product out and get ready for your next business venture. Jim From accessd at shaw.ca Thu Nov 24 17:13:12 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2011 15:13:12 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] WW II Redux In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: No very good at all. Just like the Spanish civil war, in the 30's, the developed nations actively supported both sides of the war. The outcome was not pleasant and not as expected. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2011 12:32 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] WW II Redux America finances both sides of the Syrian situation, reminiscent of what occurred in Germany in WW II... http://www.wired.com/wiredenterprise/2011/11/american-computing-syria/ Arthur -- Cell: 647.710.1314 Thirty spokes converge on a hub but it's the emptiness that makes a wheel work -- from the Daodejing _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Thu Nov 24 18:14:25 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2011 19:14:25 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Getting started in Cloud services In-Reply-To: References: <2C56B56912404C33BF5DB0ACF017388E@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: Just signed up. We shall see what we shall see. Intrigued... A. On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 6:07 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Getting involved with proprietary products, within a fledgling market, > especially in the computer world has always been a potential road to > disaster...one that may cost a company millions of dollars and with nothing > to show for their efforts. > > The cloud is such a market, with so many offerings in where and how to host > your products and development. There is Microsoft Azure, Google App Engine, > or Amazon Web Services to name but a few. What has emerged is an Open > Source > competitor. > > http://www.cloudfoundry.com/ > > It is even being used and supported by HP; also, a supporter of Azure but > it > seems the company is keeping its options open. > > Check this product out and get ready for your next business venture. > > Jim > From hans.andersen at phulse.com Thu Nov 24 18:46:55 2011 From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen) Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2011 16:46:55 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Getting started in Cloud services In-Reply-To: References: <2C56B56912404C33BF5DB0ACF017388E@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <11827A5C-112A-4C5A-9A0B-57260B3895C4@phulse.com> Same. They had me at the nice modern looking web 3.0 apple icloud like logo. Would be a good chance for me to really do some meaningful project with ruby on rails. - Hans On 2011-11-24, at 4:14 PM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > Just signed up. We shall see what we shall see. Intrigued... > A. > > On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 6:07 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > >> Getting involved with proprietary products, within a fledgling market, >> especially in the computer world has always been a potential road to >> disaster...one that may cost a company millions of dollars and with nothing >> to show for their efforts. >> >> The cloud is such a market, with so many offerings in where and how to host >> your products and development. There is Microsoft Azure, Google App Engine, >> or Amazon Web Services to name but a few. What has emerged is an Open >> Source >> competitor. >> >> http://www.cloudfoundry.com/ >> >> It is even being used and supported by HP; also, a supporter of Azure but >> it >> seems the company is keeping its options open. >> >> Check this product out and get ready for your next business venture. >> >> Jim >> > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From hans.andersen at phulse.com Thu Nov 24 19:06:04 2011 From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen) Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2011 17:06:04 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Steve Balmer's nightmare In-Reply-To: <2C56B56912404C33BF5DB0ACF017388E@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <2C56B56912404C33BF5DB0ACF017388E@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: There is something comical about the iPad being somehow the straw that would precipitate a series of events that would eventually break the camels back. Like some super villainous plan of Steve Jobs that took him years and years in a dark room to concoct. But, to be honest, it was a self fulfilling prophesy. Microsoft as a business never understood its own consumers. What they were good at was understanding how to sell to businesses and corporations and governments. And for a long time, what was good for the goose was good for the gander. But thats all changing now with these fancy desirable devices and Microsoft is always late to the game (the first serious WP7 phones are coming out a good 5-6 years late?). They can't keep trying to spread themselves too thin as they are, which means they will have to accept that they cannot keep growing profits for their shareholders with its current business strategy, which is always painful, but IBM made it in the end, did they not? They are still massively profitable and they sold off lots of their assets (although the sale of ThinkPad to Lenovo will always bring a tear to my eye). - Hans On 2011-11-24, at 2:46 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > If you have been making your living for years on Microsoft products but have > been watching the innovations of previous product version becoming less and > less and them not keeping up with today's new computer world, then you will > understand. > > MS Access comes to mind. An incredible product, which should or could have > been expanded with functionality, innovations in language, updated in > capabilities/capacity and it had such a dedicated and loyal following of > developers. Microsoft, in its infinite wisdom, abandoned its followers by > producing one shoddy product after another...and now that loyalty has been > lost and will take a lot of effort to recover it. > > http://www.businessinsider.com/steve-ballmers-nightmare-how-microsofts-busin > ess-really-could-collapse-2011-11 > > Above is "Business Inside's" take on Microsoft's woes and what will happen > if it does not get its ducks in a row, pick what products to support, > realize that it no longer controls the market and build some good solid > products. > > The consolation may be in that, Oracle, a long time adversary of Microsoft, > is going through the same challenge. > > Jim > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Thu Nov 24 22:38:46 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2011 20:38:46 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Getting started in Cloud services In-Reply-To: <11827A5C-112A-4C5A-9A0B-57260B3895C4@phulse.com> References: <2C56B56912404C33BF5DB0ACF017388E@creativesystemdesigns.com> <11827A5C-112A-4C5A-9A0B-57260B3895C4@phulse.com> Message-ID: <5E52D675B4934232A8E11F3CFAF396A3@creativesystemdesigns.com> Is this iCloud site Open Source and free? ;-) Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hans-Christian Andersen Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2011 4:47 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Getting started in Cloud services Same. They had me at the nice modern looking web 3.0 apple icloud like logo. Would be a good chance for me to really do some meaningful project with ruby on rails. - Hans On 2011-11-24, at 4:14 PM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > Just signed up. We shall see what we shall see. Intrigued... > A. > > On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 6:07 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > >> Getting involved with proprietary products, within a fledgling market, >> especially in the computer world has always been a potential road to >> disaster...one that may cost a company millions of dollars and with nothing >> to show for their efforts. >> >> The cloud is such a market, with so many offerings in where and how to host >> your products and development. There is Microsoft Azure, Google App Engine, >> or Amazon Web Services to name but a few. What has emerged is an Open >> Source >> competitor. >> >> http://www.cloudfoundry.com/ >> >> It is even being used and supported by HP; also, a supporter of Azure but >> it >> seems the company is keeping its options open. >> >> Check this product out and get ready for your next business venture. >> >> Jim >> > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Thu Nov 24 22:45:34 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2011 20:45:34 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Steve Balmer's nightmare In-Reply-To: References: <2C56B56912404C33BF5DB0ACF017388E@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <37BE2A97E58745D18C9E3AEA18A14DCE@creativesystemdesigns.com> Steve Balmer must sometimes be feeling like the owner of the largest livery stable in town, by far and someone just pulled up infront of his business with a Model T Ford. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hans-Christian Andersen Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2011 5:06 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Steve Balmer's nightmare There is something comical about the iPad being somehow the straw that would precipitate a series of events that would eventually break the camels back. Like some super villainous plan of Steve Jobs that took him years and years in a dark room to concoct. But, to be honest, it was a self fulfilling prophesy. Microsoft as a business never understood its own consumers. What they were good at was understanding how to sell to businesses and corporations and governments. And for a long time, what was good for the goose was good for the gander. But thats all changing now with these fancy desirable devices and Microsoft is always late to the game (the first serious WP7 phones are coming out a good 5-6 years late?). They can't keep trying to spread themselves too thin as they are, which means they will have to accept that they cannot keep growing profits for their shareholders with its current business strategy, which is always painful, but IBM made it in the end, did they not? They are still massively profitable and they sold off lots of their assets (although the sale of ThinkPad to Lenovo will always bring a tear to my eye). - Hans On 2011-11-24, at 2:46 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > If you have been making your living for years on Microsoft products but have > been watching the innovations of previous product version becoming less and > less and them not keeping up with today's new computer world, then you will > understand. > > MS Access comes to mind. An incredible product, which should or could have > been expanded with functionality, innovations in language, updated in > capabilities/capacity and it had such a dedicated and loyal following of > developers. Microsoft, in its infinite wisdom, abandoned its followers by > producing one shoddy product after another...and now that loyalty has been > lost and will take a lot of effort to recover it. > > http://www.businessinsider.com/steve-ballmers-nightmare-how-microsofts-busin > ess-really-could-collapse-2011-11 > > Above is "Business Inside's" take on Microsoft's woes and what will happen > if it does not get its ducks in a row, pick what products to support, > realize that it no longer controls the market and build some good solid > products. > > The consolation may be in that, Oracle, a long time adversary of Microsoft, > is going through the same challenge. > > Jim > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From hans.andersen at phulse.com Thu Nov 24 23:00:56 2011 From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen) Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2011 21:00:56 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Getting started in Cloud services In-Reply-To: <5E52D675B4934232A8E11F3CFAF396A3@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <2C56B56912404C33BF5DB0ACF017388E@creativesystemdesigns.com> <11827A5C-112A-4C5A-9A0B-57260B3895C4@phulse.com> <5E52D675B4934232A8E11F3CFAF396A3@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: It's a completely different kind of product but with a similar logo :) Best regards, Hans-Christian Andersen On 24 Nov 2011, at 20:38, "Jim Lawrence" wrote: > Is this iCloud site Open Source and free? ;-) > > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hans-Christian > Andersen > Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2011 4:47 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Getting started in Cloud services > > Same. They had me at the nice modern looking web 3.0 apple icloud like logo. > Would be a good chance for me to really do some meaningful project with ruby > on rails. > > - Hans > > > On 2011-11-24, at 4:14 PM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > >> Just signed up. We shall see what we shall see. Intrigued... >> A. >> >> On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 6:07 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: >> >>> Getting involved with proprietary products, within a fledgling market, >>> especially in the computer world has always been a potential road to >>> disaster...one that may cost a company millions of dollars and with > nothing >>> to show for their efforts. >>> >>> The cloud is such a market, with so many offerings in where and how to > host >>> your products and development. There is Microsoft Azure, Google App > Engine, >>> or Amazon Web Services to name but a few. What has emerged is an Open >>> Source >>> competitor. >>> >>> http://www.cloudfoundry.com/ >>> >>> It is even being used and supported by HP; also, a supporter of Azure but >>> it >>> seems the company is keeping its options open. >>> >>> Check this product out and get ready for your next business venture. >>> >>> Jim >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From hans.andersen at phulse.com Thu Nov 24 23:01:07 2011 From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen) Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2011 21:01:07 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Getting started in Cloud services In-Reply-To: <5E52D675B4934232A8E11F3CFAF396A3@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <2C56B56912404C33BF5DB0ACF017388E@creativesystemdesigns.com> <11827A5C-112A-4C5A-9A0B-57260B3895C4@phulse.com> <5E52D675B4934232A8E11F3CFAF396A3@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <3F47B229-735C-46EB-89A9-6AB7F758CB85@phulse.com> And it's free Best regards, Hans-Christian Andersen On 24 Nov 2011, at 20:38, "Jim Lawrence" wrote: > Is this iCloud site Open Source and free? ;-) > > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hans-Christian > Andersen > Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2011 4:47 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Getting started in Cloud services > > Same. They had me at the nice modern looking web 3.0 apple icloud like logo. > Would be a good chance for me to really do some meaningful project with ruby > on rails. > > - Hans > > > On 2011-11-24, at 4:14 PM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > >> Just signed up. We shall see what we shall see. Intrigued... >> A. >> >> On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 6:07 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: >> >>> Getting involved with proprietary products, within a fledgling market, >>> especially in the computer world has always been a potential road to >>> disaster...one that may cost a company millions of dollars and with > nothing >>> to show for their efforts. >>> >>> The cloud is such a market, with so many offerings in where and how to > host >>> your products and development. There is Microsoft Azure, Google App > Engine, >>> or Amazon Web Services to name but a few. What has emerged is an Open >>> Source >>> competitor. >>> >>> http://www.cloudfoundry.com/ >>> >>> It is even being used and supported by HP; also, a supporter of Azure but >>> it >>> seems the company is keeping its options open. >>> >>> Check this product out and get ready for your next business venture. >>> >>> Jim >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Thu Nov 24 23:27:35 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2011 21:27:35 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Getting started in Cloud services In-Reply-To: <3F47B229-735C-46EB-89A9-6AB7F758CB85@phulse.com> References: <2C56B56912404C33BF5DB0ACF017388E@creativesystemdesigns.com> <11827A5C-112A-4C5A-9A0B-57260B3895C4@phulse.com> <5E52D675B4934232A8E11F3CFAF396A3@creativesystemdesigns.com> <3F47B229-735C-46EB-89A9-6AB7F758CB85@phulse.com> Message-ID: <9E4DEA86F2814391B1B279B4B3F70BFF@creativesystemdesigns.com> Now I am listening. :-) Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hans-Christian Andersen Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2011 9:01 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Getting started in Cloud services And it's free Best regards, Hans-Christian Andersen On 24 Nov 2011, at 20:38, "Jim Lawrence" wrote: > Is this iCloud site Open Source and free? ;-) > > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hans-Christian > Andersen > Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2011 4:47 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Getting started in Cloud services > > Same. They had me at the nice modern looking web 3.0 apple icloud like logo. > Would be a good chance for me to really do some meaningful project with ruby > on rails. > > - Hans > > > On 2011-11-24, at 4:14 PM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > >> Just signed up. We shall see what we shall see. Intrigued... >> A. >> >> On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 6:07 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: >> >>> Getting involved with proprietary products, within a fledgling market, >>> especially in the computer world has always been a potential road to >>> disaster...one that may cost a company millions of dollars and with > nothing >>> to show for their efforts. >>> >>> The cloud is such a market, with so many offerings in where and how to > host >>> your products and development. There is Microsoft Azure, Google App > Engine, >>> or Amazon Web Services to name but a few. What has emerged is an Open >>> Source >>> competitor. >>> >>> http://www.cloudfoundry.com/ >>> >>> It is even being used and supported by HP; also, a supporter of Azure but >>> it >>> seems the company is keeping its options open. >>> >>> Check this product out and get ready for your next business venture. >>> >>> Jim >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Fri Nov 25 08:48:19 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2011 09:48:19 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: Robot Solves maze in a stunning 3.9 seconds Message-ID: This must be seen to be believed. http://www.geek.com/articles/chips/min7-micromouse-robot-solves-maze-in-3-921-seconds-20111122/ The second video shows another robot in the competition, which by comparison looks moronic. -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Thirty spokes converge on a hub but it's the emptiness that makes a wheel work -- from the Daodejing From Gustav at cactus.dk Fri Nov 25 09:15:19 2011 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2011 16:15:19 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: Robot Solves maze in a stunning 3.9 seconds Message-ID: Hi Arthur The first one seems to "know" which route to go. How is that? /gustav >>> fuller.artful at gmail.com 25-11-2011 15:48 >>> This must be seen to be believed. http://www.geek.com/articles/chips/min7-micromouse-robot-solves-maze-in-3-921-seconds-20111122/ The second video shows another robot in the competition, which by comparison looks moronic. -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Thirty spokes converge on a hub but it's the emptiness that makes a wheel work -- from the Daodejing From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Fri Nov 25 10:30:24 2011 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2011 08:30:24 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: Robot Solves maze in a stunning 3.9 seconds In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I showed it to Noah, my in-house robotics consultant (remember, he bragged, how they took second last year in the First robotics international competition in Saint Louis?). He guesses the second one is the trial run for the same robot which is mapping out the maze. The top vid is then the competition to see how fast your robot can run the maze with the map it previously mapped. The software challenge there I suppose is to find the shortest path. The mechanical challenge would be to build the most fastest and most agile robot. Thanks for the link - he's now looking for mouse maze competitions in San Diego. We also looked at the soccer playing robots. R -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Friday, November 25, 2011 7:15 AM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] OT: Robot Solves maze in a stunning 3.9 seconds Hi Arthur The first one seems to "know" which route to go. How is that? /gustav >>> fuller.artful at gmail.com 25-11-2011 15:48 >>> This must be seen to be believed. http://www.geek.com/articles/chips/min7-micromouse-robot-solves-maze-in-3-92 1-seconds-20111122/ The second video shows another robot in the competition, which by comparison looks moronic. -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Thirty spokes converge on a hub but it's the emptiness that makes a wheel work -- from the Daodejing _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Gustav at cactus.dk Fri Nov 25 10:47:34 2011 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2011 17:47:34 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: Robot Solves maze in a stunning 3.9 seconds Message-ID: Hi Rocky Thanks to Noah. Now it makes sense. /gustav >>> rockysmolin at bchacc.com 25-11-2011 17:30 >>> I showed it to Noah, my in-house robotics consultant (remember, he bragged, how they took second last year in the First robotics international competition in Saint Louis?). He guesses the second one is the trial run for the same robot which is mapping out the maze. The top vid is then the competition to see how fast your robot can run the maze with the map it previously mapped. The software challenge there I suppose is to find the shortest path. The mechanical challenge would be to build the most fastest and most agile robot. Thanks for the link - he's now looking for mouse maze competitions in San Diego. We also looked at the soccer playing robots. R -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Friday, November 25, 2011 7:15 AM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] OT: Robot Solves maze in a stunning 3.9 seconds Hi Arthur The first one seems to "know" which route to go. How is that? /gustav >>> fuller.artful at gmail.com 25-11-2011 15:48 >>> This must be seen to be believed. http://www.geek.com/articles/chips/min7-micromouse-robot-solves-maze-in-3-92 1-seconds-20111122/ The second video shows another robot in the competition, which by comparison looks moronic. -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Thirty spokes converge on a hub but it's the emptiness that makes a wheel work -- from the Daodejing From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Fri Nov 25 10:50:45 2011 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2011 08:50:45 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: Robot Solves maze in a stunning 3.9 seconds In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9F92F87361ED4826BCFCF1A78A9E1413@HAL9007> In fact a review of the two vids shows the same contestant #131. R -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Friday, November 25, 2011 8:48 AM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] OT: Robot Solves maze in a stunning 3.9 seconds Hi Rocky Thanks to Noah. Now it makes sense. /gustav >>> rockysmolin at bchacc.com 25-11-2011 17:30 >>> I showed it to Noah, my in-house robotics consultant (remember, he bragged, how they took second last year in the First robotics international competition in Saint Louis?). He guesses the second one is the trial run for the same robot which is mapping out the maze. The top vid is then the competition to see how fast your robot can run the maze with the map it previously mapped. The software challenge there I suppose is to find the shortest path. The mechanical challenge would be to build the most fastest and most agile robot. Thanks for the link - he's now looking for mouse maze competitions in San Diego. We also looked at the soccer playing robots. R -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Friday, November 25, 2011 7:15 AM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] OT: Robot Solves maze in a stunning 3.9 seconds Hi Arthur The first one seems to "know" which route to go. How is that? /gustav >>> fuller.artful at gmail.com 25-11-2011 15:48 >>> This must be seen to be believed. http://www.geek.com/articles/chips/min7-micromouse-robot-solves-maze-in-3-92 1-seconds-20111122/ The second video shows another robot in the competition, which by comparison looks moronic. -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Thirty spokes converge on a hub but it's the emptiness that makes a wheel work -- from the Daodejing _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Fri Nov 25 11:33:30 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2011 09:33:30 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: Robot Solves maze in a stunning 3.9 seconds In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0C8E14E7139140A3A01770256AA62EAB@creativesystemdesigns.com> Cool. One robot demonstrated how the maze would be resolved using a simple brute force algorithm and the other robot obviously had a much more sophisticated set of programming. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Friday, November 25, 2011 6:48 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: Robot Solves maze in a stunning 3.9 seconds This must be seen to be believed. http://www.geek.com/articles/chips/min7-micromouse-robot-solves-maze-in-3-92 1-seconds-20111122/ The second video shows another robot in the competition, which by comparison looks moronic. -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Thirty spokes converge on a hub but it's the emptiness that makes a wheel work -- from the Daodejing _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Fri Nov 25 11:33:34 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2011 12:33:34 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Getting started in Cloud services In-Reply-To: References: <2C56B56912404C33BF5DB0ACF017388E@creativesystemdesigns.com> <11827A5C-112A-4C5A-9A0B-57260B3895C4@phulse.com> <5E52D675B4934232A8E11F3CFAF396A3@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: I just received my approval to join this, compete with a temp password and an instructions for downloading vmc and a few other things, plus links to tutorial references etc. Just in time for the weekend. A. On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 12:00 AM, Hans-Christian Andersen < hans.andersen at phulse.com> wrote: > It's a completely different kind of product but with a similar logo :) > > Best regards, > Hans-Christian Andersen > > From accessd at shaw.ca Fri Nov 25 11:48:08 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2011 09:48:08 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: Robot Solves maze in a stunning 3.9 seconds In-Reply-To: <9F92F87361ED4826BCFCF1A78A9E1413@HAL9007> References: <9F92F87361ED4826BCFCF1A78A9E1413@HAL9007> Message-ID: <6B8F8DBD9A59400094314AE57E751147@creativesystemdesigns.com> Well if Noah could build a set of robots that could mow people's lawns that would be impressive. ;-) The current group of those devices just seem to run a random route, criss-crossing the same spots a number of times until they have to stop and recharge. If there are a number of such robots on the lawn, they don't seem to communicate that the other has completed a section. Eventually, they will finish doing the lawn, but the day would have to be very sunny, you would start early and they would take all day. What would be nice is if such a robot(s) could start a one place, work together in groups and work across the lawns in a logical order leaving nice patterns on the grass. ...And most importantly, keep to the lawn area. Now that would be an impressive maze challenge IMHO. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Friday, November 25, 2011 8:51 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] OT: Robot Solves maze in a stunning 3.9 seconds In fact a review of the two vids shows the same contestant #131. R -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Friday, November 25, 2011 8:48 AM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] OT: Robot Solves maze in a stunning 3.9 seconds Hi Rocky Thanks to Noah. Now it makes sense. /gustav >>> rockysmolin at bchacc.com 25-11-2011 17:30 >>> I showed it to Noah, my in-house robotics consultant (remember, he bragged, how they took second last year in the First robotics international competition in Saint Louis?). He guesses the second one is the trial run for the same robot which is mapping out the maze. The top vid is then the competition to see how fast your robot can run the maze with the map it previously mapped. The software challenge there I suppose is to find the shortest path. The mechanical challenge would be to build the most fastest and most agile robot. Thanks for the link - he's now looking for mouse maze competitions in San Diego. We also looked at the soccer playing robots. R -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Friday, November 25, 2011 7:15 AM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] OT: Robot Solves maze in a stunning 3.9 seconds Hi Arthur The first one seems to "know" which route to go. How is that? /gustav >>> fuller.artful at gmail.com 25-11-2011 15:48 >>> This must be seen to be believed. http://www.geek.com/articles/chips/min7-micromouse-robot-solves-maze-in-3-92 1-seconds-20111122/ The second video shows another robot in the competition, which by comparison looks moronic. -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Thirty spokes converge on a hub but it's the emptiness that makes a wheel work -- from the Daodejing _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From tinanfields at torchlake.com Fri Nov 25 12:22:04 2011 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2011 13:22:04 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Getting started in Cloud services In-Reply-To: References: <2C56B56912404C33BF5DB0ACF017388E@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <4ECFDCCC.1090905@torchlake.com> Me, too. T Tina Norris Fields tinanfields at torchlake.com 231-322-2787 On 11/24/2011 7:14 PM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > Just signed up. We shall see what we shall see. Intrigued... > A. > > On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 6:07 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > >> Getting involved with proprietary products, within a fledgling market, >> especially in the computer world has always been a potential road to >> disaster...one that may cost a company millions of dollars and with nothing >> to show for their efforts. >> >> The cloud is such a market, with so many offerings in where and how to host >> your products and development. There is Microsoft Azure, Google App Engine, >> or Amazon Web Services to name but a few. What has emerged is an Open >> Source >> competitor. >> >> http://www.cloudfoundry.com/ >> >> It is even being used and supported by HP; also, a supporter of Azure but >> it >> seems the company is keeping its options open. >> >> Check this product out and get ready for your next business venture. >> >> Jim >> > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From tinanfields at torchlake.com Fri Nov 25 12:32:03 2011 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2011 13:32:03 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: Robot Solves maze in a stunning 3.9 seconds In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4ECFDF23.20900@torchlake.com> That is all so cool! I just have to forward this to my family's robotics aficionado. He recently came to a family celebration with his line-following robots to amaze and astonish us. He will certainly get a kick out of this! T Tina Norris Fields tinanfields at torchlake.com 231-322-2787 On 11/25/2011 11:30 AM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > I showed it to Noah, my in-house robotics consultant (remember, he bragged, > how they took second last year in the First robotics international > competition in Saint Louis?). > > He guesses the second one is the trial run for the same robot which is > mapping out the maze. The top vid is then the competition to see how fast > your robot can run the maze with the map it previously mapped. The software > challenge there I suppose is to find the shortest path. The mechanical > challenge would be to build the most fastest and most agile robot. > > Thanks for the link - he's now looking for mouse maze competitions in San > Diego. We also looked at the soccer playing robots. > > > R > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock > Sent: Friday, November 25, 2011 7:15 AM > To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] OT: Robot Solves maze in a stunning 3.9 seconds > > Hi Arthur > > The first one seems to "know" which route to go. How is that? > > /gustav > > >>>> fuller.artful at gmail.com 25-11-2011 15:48>>> > This must be seen to be believed. > > http://www.geek.com/articles/chips/min7-micromouse-robot-solves-maze-in-3-92 > 1-seconds-20111122/ > > The second video shows another robot in the competition, which by comparison > looks moronic. > -- > Arthur > Cell: 647.710.1314 > > Thirty spokes converge on a hub > but it's the emptiness > that makes a wheel work > -- from the Daodejing > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From tinanfields at torchlake.com Fri Nov 25 12:34:51 2011 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2011 13:34:51 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Getting started in Cloud services In-Reply-To: <4ECFDCCC.1090905@torchlake.com> References: <2C56B56912404C33BF5DB0ACF017388E@creativesystemdesigns.com> <4ECFDCCC.1090905@torchlake.com> Message-ID: <4ECFDFCB.80407@torchlake.com> Just got my invite! T Tina Norris Fields tinanfields at torchlake.com 231-322-2787 On 11/25/2011 1:22 PM, Tina Norris Fields wrote: > Me, too. > T > > Tina Norris Fields > tinanfields at torchlake.com > 231-322-2787 > > > On 11/24/2011 7:14 PM, Arthur Fuller wrote: >> Just signed up. We shall see what we shall see. Intrigued... >> A. >> >> On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 6:07 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: >> >>> Getting involved with proprietary products, within a fledgling market, >>> especially in the computer world has always been a potential road to >>> disaster...one that may cost a company millions of dollars and with >>> nothing >>> to show for their efforts. >>> >>> The cloud is such a market, with so many offerings in where and how >>> to host >>> your products and development. There is Microsoft Azure, Google App >>> Engine, >>> or Amazon Web Services to name but a few. What has emerged is an Open >>> Source >>> competitor. >>> >>> http://www.cloudfoundry.com/ >>> >>> It is even being used and supported by HP; also, a supporter of >>> Azure but >>> it >>> seems the company is keeping its options open. >>> >>> Check this product out and get ready for your next business venture. >>> >>> Jim >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sat Nov 26 10:31:33 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2011 11:31:33 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Random Signature Selection Message-ID: Is it possible within Gmail to create several signatures, each with a pithy aphorism, to which collection I would like to add frequently, as I stumble upon pithy aphorisms, and then have Gmail pluck one random selection from the list of signatures? In the event that such a method does not yet exist, and assuming that I knew where this data was stored, I might be able to roll my own. So, in that event, does anyone know where Gmail stores the Signature data? TIA. A. -- Cell: 647.710.1314 How to keep a secret among three people? Two bullets. From ssharkins at gmail.com Sat Nov 26 10:46:38 2011 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2011 11:46:38 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Random Signature Selection References: Message-ID: There's probably an add-in for it already, but I can't point you to one. Susan H. > Is it possible within Gmail to create several signatures, each with a > pithy > aphorism, to which collection I would like to add frequently, as I stumble > upon pithy aphorisms, and then have Gmail pluck one random selection from > the list of signatures? In the event that such a method does not yet > exist, > and assuming that I knew where this data was stored, I might be able to > roll my own. So, in that event, does anyone know where Gmail stores the > Signature data? From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sat Nov 26 11:25:38 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2011 12:25:38 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: Blogging Message-ID: I have the same problem, and am trying to work out a solution. From my inspections thus far, a site can be set up for next to nothing (1+1 for example, not to cite them as the best deal available, but merely one example). From then on, it's up to your content and your ability to attract readers, and possibly and eventually advertisers willing to help you fund the costs. Should it happen that you go Viral, then the rest is up to your accounting+marketing skills -- of which I have neither, so on this topic I hereby shut my mouth. Given my age-stage etc. I am placing more of my focus on political issues than programming issues, which makes my prospective web site a tad problematic. I don't see any easy way out of this dilemma, but in the meantime I'm still in the planning/panning/applauding stages... and planning to include literary and musical reviews as well. I'm aging but remain eclectic, and still read five books a week -- the best defence against Alzheimer's. And I too like to write, about databases, movies, books, music and politics. Not sure how to organize this (assuming that it can be organized), and not sure who would want to read it, but heck, I'm semi-retired, and it's that or watch TV, which since I only receive the minimal number of channels, is the last resort of the ignorati. But at least the channels I am able to receive don't carry Jerry Springer, so to that extent I'm relatively safe. On the other hand, I still have serious battles with CRTC, but that's another story. A. On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 11:38 AM, Mark Simms wrote: > When I saw this post of the hanselman blog, it made me think about starting > up a blog. > I love to write. > That being said, anyone have good or bad experiences with certain blog > service sites ? > I've looked at this: http://blog-services-review.toptenreviews.com/ > And it appears Wordpress is the best. > However, I am worried about censorship....language, etc. > Do they warn you first, or just shut down your blog ? > In other words, how closely monitored are these services ? > Another option of course, is to get my own site, but then I have to > purchase > the software and templates, etc. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd- > > bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby > > Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2011 9:28 AM > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving; VBA; Sqlserver- > > Dba > > Subject: [AccessD] Five Absolutely Essential Utilities that make > > Windows better - Scott Hanselman > > > > > > -- > > John W. Colby > > Colby Consulting > > > > Reality is what refuses to go away > > when you do not believe in it > > http://www.hanselman.com/blog/FiveAbsolutelyEssentialUtilitiesThatMakeW > > indowsBetter.aspx > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Cell: 647.710.1314 Thirty spokes converge on a hub but it's the emptiness that makes a wheel work -- from the Daodejing From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Sat Nov 26 11:38:37 2011 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2011 09:38:37 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] FW: FW: Random Signature Selection Message-ID: <6344D54FA9F04CE9832B08E93BE969FC@HAL9007> >From Noah " Online email apps like Gmail or Yahoo aren't left out. You can easily add a quote to your compose window using a hotkey. The default is Win Key + Q (the Win Key+hotkey combo is configurable from the settings page of the program)." r _____ From: Noah Sutton-Smolin [mailto:heedleblambeedle at gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2011 9:10 AM To: Rocky Smolin Subject: Re: FW: [dba-Tech] Random Signature Selection http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/quotes-insert-random-quotes-email-signatures-wi ndows/ It links into Outlook automatically, but there is a shortcut (winkey+q) to paste a random quote. On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 8:59 AM, Rocky Smolin wrote: any idea? -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2011 8:32 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Random Signature Selection Is it possible within Gmail to create several signatures, each with a pithy aphorism, to which collection I would like to add frequently, as I stumble upon pithy aphorisms, and then have Gmail pluck one random selection from the list of signatures? In the event that such a method does not yet exist, and assuming that I knew where this data was stored, I might be able to roll my own. So, in that event, does anyone know where Gmail stores the Signature data? TIA. A. -- Cell: 647.710.1314 How to keep a secret among three people? Two bullets. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From hans.andersen at phulse.com Sat Nov 26 11:49:38 2011 From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen) Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2011 09:49:38 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: Blogging In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: You can set up a blog at virtually no cost. Wordpress is free to download and so is Xamp or Wamp. Thats all you need to get a blog up and running and you don't have to worry about censorship. The only cost would be purchasing the domain. Best regards, Hans-Christian Andersen On 26 Nov 2011, at 09:25, Arthur Fuller wrote: > I have the same problem, and am trying to work out a solution. From my > inspections thus far, a site can be set up for next to nothing (1+1 for > example, not to cite them as the best deal available, but merely one > example). From then on, it's up to your content and your ability to attract > readers, and possibly and eventually advertisers willing to help you fund > the costs. Should it happen that you go Viral, then the rest is up to your > accounting+marketing skills -- of which I have neither, so on this topic I > hereby shut my mouth. > > Given my age-stage etc. I am placing more of my focus on political issues > than programming issues, which makes my prospective web site a tad > problematic. I don't see any easy way out of this dilemma, but in the > meantime I'm still in the planning/panning/applauding stages... and > planning to include literary and musical reviews as well. I'm aging but > remain eclectic, and still read five books a week -- the best defence > against Alzheimer's. And I too like to write, about databases, movies, > books, music and politics. Not sure how to organize this (assuming that it > can be organized), and not sure who would want to read it, but heck, I'm > semi-retired, and it's that or watch TV, which since I only receive the > minimal number of channels, is the last resort of the ignorati. But at > least the channels I am able to receive don't carry Jerry Springer, so to > that extent I'm relatively safe. On the other hand, I still have serious > battles with CRTC, but that's another story. > > A. > > On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 11:38 AM, Mark Simms wrote: > >> When I saw this post of the hanselman blog, it made me think about starting >> up a blog. >> I love to write. >> That being said, anyone have good or bad experiences with certain blog >> service sites ? >> I've looked at this: http://blog-services-review.toptenreviews.com/ >> And it appears Wordpress is the best. >> However, I am worried about censorship....language, etc. >> Do they warn you first, or just shut down your blog ? >> In other words, how closely monitored are these services ? >> Another option of course, is to get my own site, but then I have to >> purchase >> the software and templates, etc. >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd- >>> bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby >>> Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2011 9:28 AM >>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving; VBA; Sqlserver- >>> Dba >>> Subject: [AccessD] Five Absolutely Essential Utilities that make >>> Windows better - Scott Hanselman >>> >>> >>> -- >>> John W. Colby >>> Colby Consulting >>> >>> Reality is what refuses to go away >>> when you do not believe in it >>> http://www.hanselman.com/blog/FiveAbsolutelyEssentialUtilitiesThatMakeW >>> indowsBetter.aspx >>> -- >>> AccessD mailing list >>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > > > > -- > Cell: 647.710.1314 > > Thirty spokes converge on a hub > but it's the emptiness > that makes a wheel work > -- from the Daodejing > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sat Nov 26 12:36:10 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2011 13:36:10 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: Blogging In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I think I can afford to purchase a domain. Unfortunately, most of the good ones are taken, but hey, I'm creative, I'll come up with something. A. On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 12:49 PM, Hans-Christian Andersen < hans.andersen at phulse.com> wrote: > You can set up a blog at virtually no cost. Wordpress is free to download > and so is Xamp or Wamp. Thats all you need to get a blog up and running and > you don't have to worry about censorship. The only cost would be purchasing > the domain. > > Best regards, > Hans-Christian Andersen > > From kathryn at bassett.net Sat Nov 26 12:43:50 2011 From: kathryn at bassett.net (Kathryn Bassett) Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2011 10:43:50 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: Blogging In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <00b001ccac6b$571cdfd0$05569f70$@net> > I think I can afford to purchase a domain. Unfortunately, most of the good > ones are taken, but hey, I'm creative, I'll come up with something. No need to be totally creative, these are available: arthurfuller.com fuller.coop -- Kathryn Rhinehart Bassett (Pasadena CA) "Genealogy is my bag" "GH is my soap" kathryn at bassett.net http://bassett.net?? From fuller.artful at gmail.com Mon Nov 28 09:36:20 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 10:36:20 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Data-modelling problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Let's arbitrarily say that Child 1 = Locations Child 2 = Machines Child 3 = Contacts A given Customer has at least one location, in which reside one or more machines. Said Customer also has a number of Contact points, which could relate to the Customer (chief contact) or the Location (LocationContact) or the specific Machine (MachineContact). Given the current muddy waters vis-a-vis globalization, the Euro crisis, etc., it may well occur, and in some cases already has, that said Company shrinks from 5 locations to 3, moving some Machines from their defunct Locations to their new Locations. In that event, chances are that the Contact will not remain the same, because she may not be willing to move from Moscow to Vladivostok (although I would opt for the move LOL, it's one big step closer to Canada; but I digress). A Customer has Locations. A Location has Machines. A Machine may or may not have a ContactPerson. In the event that no Contact is associated with a Machine, then the Contact person relates to the Location, and in the event that there is no LocationContact, then the Contact person belongs to the Company. The related combo-boxes are easy. My difficulties arise when Company X needs to close Location Y, and hence move Machines x, y and z to Locations 1, 2 and Scrap. I am trying to figure out the UI for such events. The underlying SQL code is trivial, well at least for me, given a few years in this business, but that is neither here nor there. How to present the collapse of a Location and the movement of its assets (Machines) to another Location, owned by the given Customer, and also allow the possibility of Sale to some other party? Fortunately, all this is still on the drawing-board stage, so it's basically on my nickel not said Client, and that's cool with me. Once I finally solve this problem, I shall be able to genericise it and publish a chapter about it LOL. This is the life of a person mostly retired. "I keep trying to get out, but they keep dragging me back in." -- GodFather II. Time was, all I had to do was databases, and whack a couple of people now and then. Now I gotta fight viruses and such, and protecting Michael Coreleone has become a serious job! Like not only my eyes, but cyber-spies and so forth, and if I make one mistake then... well let's not describe that outcome. I am the Tom Hagen figure in this novel, close but not Sicilian, never accepted and only at best tolerated thanks to Michael Corleone. That's how life is. I can walk into serious contracts if I choose to play ball with certain baseball players. I choose not to go down said path. The mob is into the provincial and federal governments, and any dumb reporter wouldn't have to overturn many leaves to reveal this. I'm up for a 3-month contract in tech-writing. I have two choices: say Yes to certain people and kick back a percentage, or alternatively take my chances in the swimming pool. Choice One is pretty much guaranteed; Choice Two is pretty much guaranteed to Not Land the Gig, I opt for Choice Two. I am absolutely unwilling to buy into this corrupt system. No thanks! I will subsist on welfate rather than suffer this shyte. A. P.S. According to research performed with 40,000 survey-takers, in many nations and across many languages, this is the world's funniest joke. Two hunters are in the forest. One calls out to the other and gets no response. He searches for and then finds his buddy, who is lying perfectly still and his eyes are not blinking. He reaches for his cell phone and calls Emergency Medical Services. He says to the operator, "Help. My friend is dead! What should I do?" The EMS operator says, "First things first. Let's make sure he's dead." A moment's silence, then a gunshot is heard. Guy gets back on his cell phone and says, "Ok. Now what?" From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Tue Nov 29 16:03:27 2011 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 08:03:27 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Tech Republic covers PowerBasic In-Reply-To: <19C081089DA0440CA35A797372F39676@XPS> References: , <72007FFD-9FE3-4F5F-B714-20E41BF5896C@phulse.com>, <19C081089DA0440CA35A797372F39676@XPS> Message-ID: <4ED556AF.18111.176913B9@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> A few of you may be vaguely aware that I occassionally use PowerBasic :-) Here's an interview with the founder, Bob Zale on Tech Republic http://goo.gl/KtZIE From fuller.artful at gmail.com Wed Nov 30 07:51:56 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 08:51:56 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Random Numbers at Last Message-ID: >From slashdot: *"An Ottawa physicist is using laser light to create truly random numbers much faster than other methods do, with obvious potential benefits to cryptography: 'Sussman's Ottawa lab uses a pulse of laser light that lasts a few trillionths of a second. His team shines it at a diamond. The light goes in and comes out again, but along the way, it changes. ... It is changed because it has interacted with quantum vacuum fluctuations, the microscopic flickering of the amount of energy in a point in space. ... What happens to the light is unknown ? and unknowable. Sussman's lab can measure the pulses of laser light that emerge from this mysterious transformation, and the measurements are random in a way that nothing in our ordinary surroundings is. Those measurements are his random numbers.'"* -- A. Cell: 647.710.1314 Thirty spokes converge on a hub but it's the emptiness that makes a wheel work -- from the Daodejing