From tinanfields at torchlake.com Thu Sep 1 09:56:13 2011 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Thu, 01 Sep 2011 10:56:13 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: Jack Layton In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4E5F9D0D.1000507@torchlake.com> Arthur, Thank you for sharing this. A great man, indeed! T Tina Norris Fields tinanfields at torchlake.com 231-322-2787 On 8/27/2011 3:08 PM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > This week, a man died of cancer in Canada. His name was Jack Layton. He was > Leader of the Opposition in parliament, head of the New Democratic Party, > and a galvanizing force in Canadian politics and political life. About 30 > years ago, when Jack was a City Councillor in Toronto, I wrote the first > version of his campaign-management software, later to be shared with Olivia > Chow, who would soon become his wife. In step with his successes, we went on > to develop several subsequent versions. Each time the software got better, > and I like to think that it played some small part in his success. > > Jack is the first person in Canadian history who is not a prime minister or > cabinet minister to be given a state funeral. It's occurring as I write > this. He has so many achievements that it's hard to know where to begin. He > was the first to embrace gay rights, green city culture, he invented the > White Ribbon HIV-AIDS campaign. campaigned for bicycle-culture (he rode his > bicycle to work even in the dead of winter; I remember him saying that if > you dress for it, you can bicycle even in Toronto winters). He was > tri-lingual (he was born in Quebec and so learned English and French when he > was young, and later on learned Cantonese from his wife Olivia Chow). He had > several remarkable and unique characteristics, notable among them his > open-door policy. I know this because I was frequently there working on his > computer, adding reports etc. while people walked in and told him of their > problems and complaints -- and he acted on them. > > In this week of his death, it is astonishing how many thousands of people > are weeping openly at his loss. Even those who don't share his political > views are weeping. One thing everyone of every political stripe can say is > that Jack never argued ad hominem (against the man), but always stuck to the > issues: poverty, homelessness, gay rights, green economics. > > Such was his measure that even the prime minister of Australia flew halfway > around the world to attend Jack's funeral == not to mention thousands of > Torontonians and others who came to pay their respects and honour a man. > > Rest in peace, Jack. You will be missed by Canadians of every political > stripe. > > Arthur > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From fuller.artful at gmail.com Thu Sep 1 12:27:09 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2011 13:27:09 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: Jack Layton In-Reply-To: <4E5F9D0D.1000507@torchlake.com> References: <4E5F9D0D.1000507@torchlake.com> Message-ID: I will miss him immensely. I wrote his first campaign-manegement software which was shared by his soon-to-be-wife Olivia Chow. Thanks in part to them, I have begun learning both Cantonese and Mandarin. This is a very long process, especially when you are 64 years old, but I am trying, and the people in my building are helping me achieve this goal. A. On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 10:56 AM, Tina Norris Fields < tinanfields at torchlake.com> wrote: > Arthur, > Thank you for sharing this. A great man, indeed! > T > > Tina Norris Fields > tinanfields at torchlake.com > 231-322-2787 > > > > On 8/27/2011 3:08 PM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > >> This week, a man died of cancer in Canada. His name was Jack Layton. He >> was >> Leader of the Opposition in parliament, head of the New Democratic Party, >> and a galvanizing force in Canadian politics and political life. About 30 >> years ago, when Jack was a City Councillor in Toronto, I wrote the first >> version of his campaign-management software, later to be shared with >> Olivia >> Chow, who would soon become his wife. In step with his successes, we went >> on >> to develop several subsequent versions. Each time the software got better, >> and I like to think that it played some small part in his success. >> >> Jack is the first person in Canadian history who is not a prime minister >> or >> cabinet minister to be given a state funeral. It's occurring as I write >> this. He has so many achievements that it's hard to know where to begin. >> He >> was the first to embrace gay rights, green city culture, he invented the >> White Ribbon HIV-AIDS campaign. campaigned for bicycle-culture (he rode >> his >> bicycle to work even in the dead of winter; I remember him saying that if >> you dress for it, you can bicycle even in Toronto winters). He was >> tri-lingual (he was born in Quebec and so learned English and French when >> he >> was young, and later on learned Cantonese from his wife Olivia Chow). He >> had >> several remarkable and unique characteristics, notable among them his >> open-door policy. I know this because I was frequently there working on >> his >> computer, adding reports etc. while people walked in and told him of their >> problems and complaints -- and he acted on them. >> >> In this week of his death, it is astonishing how many thousands of people >> are weeping openly at his loss. Even those who don't share his political >> views are weeping. One thing everyone of every political stripe can say is >> that Jack never argued ad hominem (against the man), but always stuck to >> the >> issues: poverty, homelessness, gay rights, green economics. >> >> Such was his measure that even the prime minister of Australia flew >> halfway >> around the world to attend Jack's funeral == not to mention thousands of >> Torontonians and others who came to pay their respects and honour a man. >> >> Rest in peace, Jack. You will be missed by Canadians of every political >> stripe. >> >> Arthur >> ______________________________**_________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com >> >> ______________________________**_________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com > From accessd at shaw.ca Thu Sep 1 20:08:39 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2011 18:08:39 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: Jack Layton In-Reply-To: References: <4E5F9D0D.1000507@torchlake.com> Message-ID: Will you be at the state funeral on Saturday?...or the question should be will you not. There are a number of friends who are catching flights back east. http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/2011/08/24/itinerary-jack-layton-funeral .html Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 10:27 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] OT: Jack Layton I will miss him immensely. I wrote his first campaign-manegement software which was shared by his soon-to-be-wife Olivia Chow. Thanks in part to them, I have begun learning both Cantonese and Mandarin. This is a very long process, especially when you are 64 years old, but I am trying, and the people in my building are helping me achieve this goal. A. On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 10:56 AM, Tina Norris Fields < tinanfields at torchlake.com> wrote: > Arthur, > Thank you for sharing this. A great man, indeed! > T > > Tina Norris Fields > tinanfields at torchlake.com > 231-322-2787 > > > > On 8/27/2011 3:08 PM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > >> This week, a man died of cancer in Canada. His name was Jack Layton. He >> was >> Leader of the Opposition in parliament, head of the New Democratic Party, >> and a galvanizing force in Canadian politics and political life. About 30 >> years ago, when Jack was a City Councillor in Toronto, I wrote the first >> version of his campaign-management software, later to be shared with >> Olivia >> Chow, who would soon become his wife. In step with his successes, we went >> on >> to develop several subsequent versions. Each time the software got better, >> and I like to think that it played some small part in his success. >> >> Jack is the first person in Canadian history who is not a prime minister >> or >> cabinet minister to be given a state funeral. It's occurring as I write >> this. He has so many achievements that it's hard to know where to begin. >> He >> was the first to embrace gay rights, green city culture, he invented the >> White Ribbon HIV-AIDS campaign. campaigned for bicycle-culture (he rode >> his >> bicycle to work even in the dead of winter; I remember him saying that if >> you dress for it, you can bicycle even in Toronto winters). He was >> tri-lingual (he was born in Quebec and so learned English and French when >> he >> was young, and later on learned Cantonese from his wife Olivia Chow). He >> had >> several remarkable and unique characteristics, notable among them his >> open-door policy. I know this because I was frequently there working on >> his >> computer, adding reports etc. while people walked in and told him of their >> problems and complaints -- and he acted on them. >> >> In this week of his death, it is astonishing how many thousands of people >> are weeping openly at his loss. Even those who don't share his political >> views are weeping. One thing everyone of every political stripe can say is >> that Jack never argued ad hominem (against the man), but always stuck to >> the >> issues: poverty, homelessness, gay rights, green economics. >> >> Such was his measure that even the prime minister of Australia flew >> halfway >> around the world to attend Jack's funeral == not to mention thousands of >> Torontonians and others who came to pay their respects and honour a man. >> >> Rest in peace, Jack. You will be missed by Canadians of every political >> stripe. >> >> Arthur >> ______________________________**_________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com >> >> ______________________________**_________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Fri Sep 2 13:50:33 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2011 14:50:33 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: Anyone Using Base? Message-ID: I have downloaded and installed OpenOffice just to check it out. I notice that there is an "Access clone" called Base. Has anyone on this list used it for anything meaningful? I don't really need it or O-O for that matter, but in my retirement years I am on the lookout for free stuff for NGOs where I volunteer. TIA, Arthur From accessd at shaw.ca Fri Sep 2 17:17:32 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2011 15:17:32 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: Anyone Using Base? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <77D39B0C38BA476BAFF87F3D3A387966@creativesystemdesigns.com> I played with it "Base" for a while but found it was definitely not Access. There are a host of superior languages, that with the help of an application like IIS or Apache can run right off your desktop. PHP and ASP.Net would be your best common choices as far as I can tell. I have always admired MS Accesses' excellent presentation manager but have avoided its less than stellar BE. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Friday, September 02, 2011 11:51 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: Anyone Using Base? I have downloaded and installed OpenOffice just to check it out. I notice that there is an "Access clone" called Base. Has anyone on this list used it for anything meaningful? I don't really need it or O-O for that matter, but in my retirement years I am on the lookout for free stuff for NGOs where I volunteer. TIA, Arthur _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Fri Sep 2 20:06:05 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2011 21:06:05 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: Anyone Using Base? In-Reply-To: <77D39B0C38BA476BAFF87F3D3A387966@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <77D39B0C38BA476BAFF87F3D3A387966@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: Yeah, I have been gently persuading my clients to switch to other BEs. Some are reluctant but that's when I reach for my hammer LOL. A. From fuller.artful at gmail.com Mon Sep 5 11:52:21 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2011 12:52:21 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Free Registry Repair tool Message-ID: Is there a free registry repair tool? I've Googled and Binged it and so far they all seeem to be come-ons -- they'll scan and tell you there are errors, and then offer you the chance to send money to get a version that actually does the repairs. Being retired and on limited funds, I want the whole thing for free. Anyone know of such a beast? TIA, Arthur From fuller.artful at gmail.com Mon Sep 5 11:58:06 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2011 12:58:06 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Happy Birthday Google Message-ID: Google turned 13 years old today. A. From peter.brawley at earthlink.net Mon Sep 5 12:09:50 2011 From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley) Date: Mon, 05 Sep 2011 12:09:50 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Free Registry Repair tool In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4E65025E.5060109@earthlink.net> On 9/5/2011 11:52 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > Is there a free registry repair tool? I've Googled and Binged it and so far > they all seeem to be come-ons -- they'll scan and tell you there are errors, > and then offer you the chance to send money to get a version that actually > does the repairs. Being retired and on limited funds, I want the whole thing > for free. Anyone know of such a beast? http://download.cnet.com/Free-Window-Registry-Repair/3000-2086_4-10606555.html P. > > TIA, > Arthur > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From fuller.artful at gmail.com Mon Sep 5 12:20:12 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2011 13:20:12 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Free Registry Repair tool In-Reply-To: <4E65025E.5060109@earthlink.net> References: <4E65025E.5060109@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Thx. On Mon, Sep 5, 2011 at 1:09 PM, Peter Brawley wrote: > On 9/5/2011 11:52 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > >> Is there a free registry repair tool? I've Googled and Binged it and so >> far >> they all seeem to be come-ons -- they'll scan and tell you there are >> errors, >> and then offer you the chance to send money to get a version that actually >> does the repairs. Being retired and on limited funds, I want the whole >> thing >> for free. Anyone know of such a beast? >> > http://download.cnet.com/Free-**Window-Registry-Repair/3000-** > 2086_4-10606555.html > > P. > >> >> TIA, >> Arthur >> ______________________________**_________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com >> >> ______________________________**_________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com > From peter.brawley at earthlink.net Mon Sep 5 12:57:14 2011 From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley) Date: Mon, 05 Sep 2011 12:57:14 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Free Registry Repair tool In-Reply-To: References: <4E65025E.5060109@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4E650D7A.1000903@earthlink.net> On 9/5/2011 12:20 PM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > Thx. CCleaner free edition http://www.piriform.com/ccleaner/download is pretty good too. P. ----- > > On Mon, Sep 5, 2011 at 1:09 PM, Peter Brawley > wrote: > >> On 9/5/2011 11:52 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote: >> >>> Is there a free registry repair tool? I've Googled and Binged it and so >>> far >>> they all seeem to be come-ons -- they'll scan and tell you there are >>> errors, >>> and then offer you the chance to send money to get a version that actually >>> does the repairs. Being retired and on limited funds, I want the whole >>> thing >>> for free. Anyone know of such a beast? >>> >> http://download.cnet.com/Free-**Window-Registry-Repair/3000-** >> 2086_4-10606555.html >> >> P. >> >>> TIA, >>> Arthur >>> ______________________________**_________________ >>> dba-Tech mailing list >>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com >>> >>> ______________________________**_________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com >> > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From hkotsch at arcor.de Mon Sep 5 13:19:06 2011 From: hkotsch at arcor.de (Helmut Kotsch) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2011 20:19:06 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Free Registry Repair tool In-Reply-To: Message-ID: http://www.piriform.com/ccleaner Helmut -----Ursprungliche Nachricht----- Von: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]Im Auftrag von Arthur Fuller Gesendet: Montag, 5. September 2011 18:52 An: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Betreff: [dba-Tech] Free Registry Repair tool Is there a free registry repair tool? I've Googled and Binged it and so far they all seeem to be come-ons -- they'll scan and tell you there are errors, and then offer you the chance to send money to get a version that actually does the repairs. Being retired and on limited funds, I want the whole thing for free. Anyone know of such a beast? TIA, Arthur _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Tue Sep 6 14:20:42 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2011 12:20:42 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Free Registry Repair tool In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <14C3E2C4071B4B0592A8F19FD11BEB86@creativesystemdesigns.com> Hi Arthur: There has been CCleaner around for years and it is an excellent product but it is not specifically only for registry repair: http://www.piriform.com/CCLEANER Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Monday, September 05, 2011 9:52 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Free Registry Repair tool Is there a free registry repair tool? I've Googled and Binged it and so far they all seeem to be come-ons -- they'll scan and tell you there are errors, and then offer you the chance to send money to get a version that actually does the repairs. Being retired and on limited funds, I want the whole thing for free. Anyone know of such a beast? TIA, Arthur _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From john at winhaven.net Tue Sep 6 14:25:13 2011 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2011 14:25:13 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Free Registry Repair tool In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <036601cc6cca$b3831e50$1a895af0$@winhaven.net> Arthur, Honestly, I don't think anyone needs to use one unless they've been infected by malware. I use ccleaner then. It doesn't list some of items others do but then sometimes these cleaners can cause problems by being too aggressive. I don't think I've ever had a system go bonkers because of ccleaner and I had from others in the past. Another registry trick that is mostly unneeded unless major problems have occurred is defragging the registry files. A simple one to use is Auslogics RegDefragger. I install it, use it and then uninstall it. There's probably a nice scripted way to do the same thing but I haven't run across it yet. Have fun, John B. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Monday, September 05, 2011 11:52 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Free Registry Repair tool Is there a free registry repair tool? I've Googled and Binged it and so far they all seeem to be come-ons -- they'll scan and tell you there are errors, and then offer you the chance to send money to get a version that actually does the repairs. Being retired and on limited funds, I want the whole thing for free. Anyone know of such a beast? TIA, Arthur _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Gustav at cactus.dk Wed Sep 7 09:24:30 2011 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Wed, 07 Sep 2011 16:24:30 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] SMS and Outlook (Exchange) Message-ID: Hi al Does anyone have experience with some low-cost service or add-on to Exchange that allows SMS messages somehow to be send from the user's Outlook client? Preferably a two-way service that allows the receiver to respond. All in all, much like a fax gateway. Traffic will be low and mainly domestic, thus cost per SMS is of no major importance. /gustav From accessd at shaw.ca Wed Sep 7 12:34:49 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2011 10:34:49 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] SMS and Outlook (Exchange) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <64A1DF3F0276418C96C046E8F2800DFF@creativesystemdesigns.com> Hi Gustav: Are you looking for a triggered automated message; centrally or desktop located(?) Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 7:25 AM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: [dba-Tech] SMS and Outlook (Exchange) Hi al Does anyone have experience with some low-cost service or add-on to Exchange that allows SMS messages somehow to be send from the user's Outlook client? Preferably a two-way service that allows the receiver to respond. All in all, much like a fax gateway. Traffic will be low and mainly domestic, thus cost per SMS is of no major importance. /gustav _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Wed Sep 7 14:15:46 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2011 12:15:46 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Linux turns 20: Progress report on world domination In-Reply-To: <64A1DF3F0276418C96C046E8F2800DFF@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <64A1DF3F0276418C96C046E8F2800DFF@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: Linux turns 20: Progress report on world domination The following link is a thoughtful commentary on Linux (UNIX) position in the world of computers. http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/opensource/linux-turns-20-progress-report-o n-world-domination/2972?tag=nl.e099 The points that were not mentioned was that not only has Linux/Unix dominated the server market but Android (Linux) holds a huge chunk of the cell phone market and where would apple be without their distro build on FreeBSD (Unix) Jim From carbonnb at gmail.com Wed Sep 7 14:28:39 2011 From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell) Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2011 15:28:39 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] SMS and Outlook (Exchange) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: In a lot of cases the cell provider has a way to do it just by emailing to a specifically formatted email address In the case of my cell provider, if you email 7055551212 at txt.bell.ca then an SMS is sent to phone number 705-555-1212. Both the Subject and the body of the email are sent as the text of the SMS. You may want to investigate that possibility. Bryan On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 10:24 AM, Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi al > > Does anyone have experience with some low-cost service or add-on to Exchange that allows SMS messages somehow to be send from the user's Outlook client? > Preferably a two-way service that allows the receiver to respond. > > All in all, much like a fax gateway. > > Traffic will be low and mainly domestic, thus cost per SMS is of no major importance. > > /gustav > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "What a great ride!" From Gustav at cactus.dk Thu Sep 8 01:38:27 2011 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2011 08:38:27 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] SMS and Outlook (Exchange) Message-ID: Hi Jim No, nothing fancy, just like manually writing an e-mail, then "Send as SMS" or similar. /gustav >>> accessd at shaw.ca 07-09-2011 19:34 >>> Hi Gustav: Are you looking for a triggered automated message; centrally or desktop located(?) Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 7:25 AM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: [dba-Tech] SMS and Outlook (Exchange) Hi al Does anyone have experience with some low-cost service or add-on to Exchange that allows SMS messages somehow to be send from the user's Outlook client? Preferably a two-way service that allows the receiver to respond. All in all, much like a fax gateway. Traffic will be low and mainly domestic, thus cost per SMS is of no major importance. /gustav From fuller.artful at gmail.com Thu Sep 8 06:03:05 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2011 07:03:05 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Interface to IMDB Message-ID: I built a simple DVD library database so I could log in my collection of DVD movies. The database contains only one table, with columns such as ID, Title, Genre, Director, Synopsis and Review. The way I've been entering the data is by opening IMDB in one window and my db in another, looking up the title in IMDB and typing in the relevant data into my db. There's got to be a better way. I'm not tied to preserving my little app. Is there either a free tool that interfaces with IMDB so I can enter a title and it looks up the IMDB info and copies it; or some sort of API etc. that I could hook to my own little db and achieve the same? TIA, Arthur From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk Thu Sep 8 06:10:58 2011 From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid) Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2011 12:10:58 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Interface to IMDB In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB0829569FFF3D646@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk> Hi Arthur http://www.imdb.com/interfaces#plain Martin -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: 08 September 2011 12:03 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Interface to IMDB I built a simple DVD library database so I could log in my collection of DVD movies. The database contains only one table, with columns such as ID, Title, Genre, Director, Synopsis and Review. The way I've been entering the data is by opening IMDB in one window and my db in another, looking up the title in IMDB and typing in the relevant data into my db. There's got to be a better way. I'm not tied to preserving my little app. Is there either a free tool that interfaces with IMDB so I can enter a title and it looks up the IMDB info and copies it; or some sort of API etc. that I could hook to my own little db and achieve the same? TIA, Arthur _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Thu Sep 8 06:17:52 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2011 07:17:52 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Interface to IMDB In-Reply-To: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB0829569FFF3D646@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk> References: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB0829569FFF3D646@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk> Message-ID: Duh! I should have thought of starting my search there. Also, I did a search and found several packages that seem to do what I want. A couple of them also handle CDs and look the data from GraceNote. I think I'll try out a few of these and of course follow your URL and see what's there. Thanks! Arthur On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 7:10 AM, Martin Reid wrote: > Hi Arthur > > http://www.imdb.com/interfaces#plain > > > Martin > > From fuller.artful at gmail.com Thu Sep 8 07:14:56 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2011 08:14:56 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Interface to IMDB In-Reply-To: References: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB0829569FFF3D646@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk> Message-ID: I downloaded three potential cataloguers. The first two (SundryToolsXV and Bootleg 5) crashed immediately, so I tossed them and tried the third, Ant Movie Catalog (AMC), which I am running now. It has all the features I wanted and more. Its interface to Net databases is achieved with scripts, and there is a script editor. There are dozens of scripts provided, each interfacing to a different data source. The only one I've tried so far is the IMDB interface. You enter the title of the movie, then run the script and presto, all the data is entered into the local database, even including a screen shot of the cover. Nice! Oh, another important thing is that you can choose an Access or MySQL back end. I went with Access. Arthur From fuller.artful at gmail.com Thu Sep 8 21:32:45 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2011 22:32:45 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Export Gmail contacts to csv for Outlook Message-ID: I've tried this several times now, always with the same results. All that arrives in Outlook when I import the csv file is the email column -- no names, addresses, nothing. I can't see what I'm doing wrong. Is it me or is this broken? Has anyone done this successfully? Arthur From accessd at shaw.ca Fri Sep 9 11:23:06 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2011 09:23:06 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Export Gmail contacts to csv for Outlook In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Arthur: Here is one example describing the method of exporting from gmail and then importing to outlook. (2010) http://www.addictivetips.com/microsoft-office/import-google-gmail-microsoft- hotmail-contacts-in-outlook-2010/ HTH Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 7:33 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Export Gmail contacts to csv for Outlook I've tried this several times now, always with the same results. All that arrives in Outlook when I import the csv file is the email column -- no names, addresses, nothing. I can't see what I'm doing wrong. Is it me or is this broken? Has anyone done this successfully? Arthur _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Fri Sep 9 20:34:08 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2011 21:34:08 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Export Gmail contacts to csv for Outlook In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I finally got it to work, albeit in a very roundabout way. I exported in csv format then opened the file in Excel then saved the file, then opened Access and imported the xls file and saved that, and finally opened Outlook and imported the Access table. There might have been a simpler way, but it worked. But thanks for this anyway. I'll keep it in case I ever have to do it again. A. On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 12:23 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Hi Arthur: > > Here is one example describing the method of exporting from gmail and then > importing to outlook. (2010) > > > http://www.addictivetips.com/microsoft-office/import-google-gmail-microsoft- > hotmail-contacts-in-outlook-2010/ > > HTH > Jim > From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sat Sep 10 09:54:47 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2011 10:54:47 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows XP Mode in MS Virtual PC Message-ID: Who here is running this? Is anyone running the XP Mode VM in VMWare as opposed to the MS VPC? TIA, Arthur From gustav at cactus.dk Sat Sep 10 11:20:59 2011 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2011 18:20:59 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows XP Mode in MS Virtual PC Message-ID: Hi Arthur We are running both Windows XP Mode VM under Windows 7 as well as Windows XP Pro in VMware Server (under different Windows XP/2003 32/64 OSes) if that is what you mean? Very reliable. /gustav >>> fuller.artful at gmail.com 10-09-2011 16:54 >>> Who here is running this? Is anyone running the XP Mode VM in VMWare as opposed to the MS VPC? TIA, Arthur From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sat Sep 10 11:44:58 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2011 12:44:58 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows XP Mode in MS Virtual PC In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks. On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 12:20 PM, Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi Arthur > > We are running both Windows XP Mode VM under Windows 7 as well as Windows > XP Pro in VMware Server (under different Windows XP/2003 32/64 OSes) if that > is what you mean? Very reliable. > > /gustav > From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Sat Sep 10 15:57:56 2011 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 06:57:56 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows XP Mode in MS Virtual PC In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4E6BCF54.28468.3C0F0B80@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> I use neither, I run XP VMs in VirtualBox On 10 Sep 2011 at 10:54, Arthur Fuller wrote: > Who here is running this? Is anyone running the XP Mode VM in VMWare > as opposed to the MS VPC? > > TIA, > Arthur > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From accessd at shaw.ca Sun Sep 11 01:55:27 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2011 23:55:27 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] A new language In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2F9A0DD5E91F496C8AE781EC53B17173@creativesystemdesigns.com> Is the creation of a new language by Google called Strongtalk (http://www.strongtalk.org/) really new or is it just a blast from the past. It emulates much of Smalltalk but now it is supposed to be web based, extremely fast and fully compilable. It will be interesting to see if it can challenge the incredible speed of multi-tasking, multi-core, multi-threading node.js (http://nodejs.org/) for server side performance but I would think it is safe to say its nature will be similar to Java. Jim From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Sun Sep 11 09:12:49 2011 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 07:12:49 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Dead Comp Message-ID: <7631A2B980FD4E9A8CC131DE9F434F86@HAL9007> Dear Lists: Came home after 5 days in Napa and Carmel to find only one comp had suffered in the massive San Diego blackout. Pundit's comp will not power up. Meaning you press the on switch and nothing at all happens. I don't think it was on during the blackout. But we're going to open it up this morning and see if we can eyeball something amiss. It's an older box - HP Pavilion a810h - and the most likely suspect is the power supply, of course. So a quick trip to Fry's for a replacement would be an easy fix. However, I'm wondering, before I do that, if there's a way to test the PS to see if it is really the failed component? Don't have much here in the way of tools other than a DMM. MTIA Rocky From df.waters at comcast.net Sun Sep 11 09:29:49 2011 From: df.waters at comcast.net (Dan Waters) Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 09:29:49 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Dead Comp In-Reply-To: <7631A2B980FD4E9A8CC131DE9F434F86@HAL9007> References: <7631A2B980FD4E9A8CC131DE9F434F86@HAL9007> Message-ID: <000c01cc708f$43314b40$c993e1c0$@comcast.net> Try swapping out the suspect PS with one from another computer. Dan -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 9:13 AM To: List; 'Off Topic' Subject: [dba-Tech] Dead Comp Dear Lists: Came home after 5 days in Napa and Carmel to find only one comp had suffered in the massive San Diego blackout. Pundit's comp will not power up. Meaning you press the on switch and nothing at all happens. I don't think it was on during the blackout. But we're going to open it up this morning and see if we can eyeball something amiss. It's an older box - HP Pavilion a810h - and the most likely suspect is the power supply, of course. So a quick trip to Fry's for a replacement would be an easy fix. However, I'm wondering, before I do that, if there's a way to test the PS to see if it is really the failed component? Don't have much here in the way of tools other than a DMM. MTIA Rocky _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Sun Sep 11 11:03:26 2011 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 09:03:26 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Dead Comp In-Reply-To: <000c01cc708f$43314b40$c993e1c0$@comcast.net> References: <7631A2B980FD4E9A8CC131DE9F434F86@HAL9007> <000c01cc708f$43314b40$c993e1c0$@comcast.net> Message-ID: If only I had an extra one. :) -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters Sent: September 11, 2011 7:30 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Dead Comp Try swapping out the suspect PS with one from another computer. Dan -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 9:13 AM To: List; 'Off Topic' Subject: [dba-Tech] Dead Comp Dear Lists: Came home after 5 days in Napa and Carmel to find only one comp had suffered in the massive San Diego blackout. Pundit's comp will not power up. Meaning you press the on switch and nothing at all happens. I don't think it was on during the blackout. But we're going to open it up this morning and see if we can eyeball something amiss. It's an older box - HP Pavilion a810h - and the most likely suspect is the power supply, of course. So a quick trip to Fry's for a replacement would be an easy fix. However, I'm wondering, before I do that, if there's a way to test the PS to see if it is really the failed component? Don't have much here in the way of tools other than a DMM. MTIA Rocky _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From bill_patten at embarqmail.com Sun Sep 11 11:43:52 2011 From: bill_patten at embarqmail.com (Bill Patten) Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 09:43:52 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Dead Comp In-Reply-To: References: <7631A2B980FD4E9A8CC131DE9F434F86@HAL9007><000c01cc708f$43314b40$c993e1c0$@comcast.net> Message-ID: Rocky, There are several power supply testers available, I use Ultra about $15 and it will test both 20 and 24 pin mother boards and even SATA power plugs.. It uses LED's to indicate correct voltages. Fry's may carry it. Even if you get a new supply and it works this tester can save you time in the future. I don't know how old your Dell is but in the early days they used proprietary supply's and standard replacement would not physically fit. Best of Luck. Bill -------------------------------------------------- From: "Rocky Smolin" Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 9:03 AM To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Dead Comp If only I had an extra one. :) -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters Sent: September 11, 2011 7:30 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Dead Comp Try swapping out the suspect PS with one from another computer. Dan -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 9:13 AM To: List; 'Off Topic' Subject: [dba-Tech] Dead Comp Dear Lists: Came home after 5 days in Napa and Carmel to find only one comp had suffered in the massive San Diego blackout. Pundit's comp will not power up. Meaning you press the on switch and nothing at all happens. I don't think it was on during the blackout. But we're going to open it up this morning and see if we can eyeball something amiss. It's an older box - HP Pavilion a810h - and the most likely suspect is the power supply, of course. So a quick trip to Fry's for a replacement would be an easy fix. However, I'm wondering, before I do that, if there's a way to test the PS to see if it is really the failed component? Don't have much here in the way of tools other than a DMM. MTIA Rocky _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Sun Sep 11 11:48:50 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 09:48:50 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Dead Comp In-Reply-To: <7631A2B980FD4E9A8CC131DE9F434F86@HAL9007> References: <7631A2B980FD4E9A8CC131DE9F434F86@HAL9007> Message-ID: <78589A9BDD054A668C4928A37B365C7C@creativesystemdesigns.com> It is probably safest to just pull the power supply out and have it tested at your local computer shop. They can test whether the problem is constant or intermittent...in both cases it needs replacing. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 7:13 AM To: List; 'Off Topic' Subject: [dba-Tech] Dead Comp Dear Lists: Came home after 5 days in Napa and Carmel to find only one comp had suffered in the massive San Diego blackout. Pundit's comp will not power up. Meaning you press the on switch and nothing at all happens. I don't think it was on during the blackout. But we're going to open it up this morning and see if we can eyeball something amiss. It's an older box - HP Pavilion a810h - and the most likely suspect is the power supply, of course. So a quick trip to Fry's for a replacement would be an easy fix. However, I'm wondering, before I do that, if there's a way to test the PS to see if it is really the failed component? Don't have much here in the way of tools other than a DMM. MTIA Rocky _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From marklbreen at gmail.com Mon Sep 12 03:22:36 2011 From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen) Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 09:22:36 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Sproc emailed me to say I am broken Message-ID: Hello All, I am using a module in DNN named Dynamic Registration. In that module, I have a custom written sproc. I recently deleted a column in the database that I no longer use. That night a user attempted to register and when he did my sproc failed, so guess what, the module emailed me to inform me that it was now broken. I was astonished, mostly because the notification feature worked, but also because I had forgotten that such a feature existed. IMO, software does not work as well as that often enough. I was very impressed. thanks Mark From fuller.artful at gmail.com Mon Sep 12 15:11:46 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 16:11:46 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] SilverLight Runtime Message-ID: When I tried to create my first SL app, I got a message saying that VS couldn't find a SV runtime, with a link. I clicked the link and selected one of the options, and nothing happened. The links may be broken. I don't know. Has anyone had this problem and solved it. Has anyone got a copy of the runtime that you could email to me off-list? TIA, Arthur From accessd at shaw.ca Tue Sep 13 20:35:25 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 18:35:25 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] New Windows 8 In-Reply-To: <2F9A0DD5E91F496C8AE781EC53B17173@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <2F9A0DD5E91F496C8AE781EC53B17173@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: The first look of Windows 8 may be a bit of a curiosity. Actually, it is two products in one or a core with two distros...like Linux, given say, Lime and Ubuntu, each interface looks completely different but each has the same kernel. There will be the new default browser/cell phone type interface and then there will be Windows7. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/09/13/windows_8_preview/ I think this product is an evolutionary product...One part says desktop PC and the other says Web based browser. The interface is just a step on the journey which will lead away from the desktop PC to an internet support application. Many articles have been written saying it more bluntly, but this is the formal acceptance and official agreement, on the part of Microsoft. They have just acknowledged the truth and that is that the PC, as we know it, is dead. So boys and girls if you plan to be working in the computer industry, of the future get your internet skills ready. Learn about web servers, internet protocols, distributive databases, HTMLx, CSSx, JavaScript, web based graphics and cloud based applications (and all the forth-coming generations). It is going to be a thrilling ride as we launch off from the PC. Jim From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Tue Sep 13 21:18:47 2011 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 12:18:47 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] [AccessD] New Windows 8 In-Reply-To: References: , <2F9A0DD5E91F496C8AE781EC53B17173@creativesystemdesigns.com>, Message-ID: <4E700F07.22290.383F13@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Maybe in the US where internet access is fast and bandiwdth is cheap. It will be many years before businesses in much of the world are prepared to go that way. -- Stuart On 13 Sep 2011 at 18:35, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Many articles have been written saying it more bluntly, but this is > the formal acceptance and official agreement, on the part of > Microsoft. They have just acknowledged the truth and that is that the > PC, as we know it, is dead. > > So boys and girls if you plan to be working in the computer industry, > of the future get your internet skills ready. Learn about web servers, > internet protocols, distributive databases, HTMLx, CSSx, JavaScript, > web based graphics and cloud based applications (and all the > forth-coming generations). > > It is going to be a thrilling ride as we launch off from the PC. > From fuller.artful at gmail.com Wed Sep 14 00:16:37 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 01:16:37 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] AMD Sets new world record Message-ID: Overclocking has entered a whole new realm. See: http://hothardware.com/News/AMD-Breaks-Frequency-Record-with-Upcoming-FX-Processor/ JWC, you apparently have the budget to lead us itinerants into the future. Go, man! A. From accessd at shaw.ca Wed Sep 14 01:23:39 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 23:23:39 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] AMD Sets new world record In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <012AFEC7EDE94FB69149842E762424D3@creativesystemdesigns.com> Cool, in more ways than one. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 10:17 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] AMD Sets new world record Overclocking has entered a whole new realm. See: http://hothardware.com/News/AMD-Breaks-Frequency-Record-with-Upcoming-FX-Pro cessor/ JWC, you apparently have the budget to lead us itinerants into the future. Go, man! A. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Gustav at cactus.dk Wed Sep 14 07:45:35 2011 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 14:45:35 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] New Windows 8 Message-ID: Hi all The keynote by Steven Sinofsky (president, Windows Division) at BUILD introducing Windows 8 is up. Very nice: http://www.buildwindows.com/ /gustav >>> accessd at shaw.ca 14-09-2011 03:35 >>> The first look of Windows 8 may be a bit of a curiosity. Actually, it is two products in one or a core with two distros...like Linux, given say, Lime and Ubuntu, each interface looks completely different but each has the same kernel. There will be the new default browser/cell phone type interface and then there will be Windows7. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/09/13/windows_8_preview/ I think this product is an evolutionary product...One part says desktop PC and the other says Web based browser. The interface is just a step on the journey which will lead away from the desktop PC to an internet support application. Many articles have been written saying it more bluntly, but this is the formal acceptance and official agreement, on the part of Microsoft. They have just acknowledged the truth and that is that the PC, as we know it, is dead. So boys and girls if you plan to be working in the computer industry, of the future get your internet skills ready. Learn about web servers, internet protocols, distributive databases, HTMLx, CSSx, JavaScript, web based graphics and cloud based applications (and all the forth-coming generations). It is going to be a thrilling ride as we launch off from the PC. Jim From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Wed Sep 14 09:23:11 2011 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 07:23:11 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] UAC Message-ID: Dear Lists: Every time I run one of my favorite programs W7 asks me if it's OK to run it. I guess I could get rid of this by altering the UAC to allow any program to run. But is there a way to tell W7 it's OK to run specific programs and ask for all the rest? TIA Rocky From fuller.artful at gmail.com Wed Sep 14 11:10:32 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 12:10:32 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] OneNote Question Message-ID: When I first loaded this program, I didn't like it. But I have come around, over the years/months. and now regard it as invaluable. However, I am stymied by a problem. I have a notebook regarding work, and it has a section called Projects. I have a Project called xyz, and I want to move this stuff (all its sections and pages) into a new Notebook so I can send it to the client. I have tried "Move", "Copy" etc. without joy. Can anyone give me instructions on how to accomplish this? Notebook 1 = "Work Notebook" Notebook 1.SectionOfInterest = "SAS Regression Tests" Notebook 2 = "Project xyz" I want to move all the the stuff pertaining to "SAS Regression Tests" into the new Notebook "Project xyz", but I can't seem to do it. Any tips about how to accomplish this seemingly simple action? TIA, Arthur From accessd at shaw.ca Wed Sep 14 12:15:54 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 10:15:54 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] New Windows 8 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Its running live...now. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 5:46 AM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] New Windows 8 Hi all The keynote by Steven Sinofsky (president, Windows Division) at BUILD introducing Windows 8 is up. Very nice: http://www.buildwindows.com/ /gustav >>> accessd at shaw.ca 14-09-2011 03:35 >>> The first look of Windows 8 may be a bit of a curiosity. Actually, it is two products in one or a core with two distros...like Linux, given say, Lime and Ubuntu, each interface looks completely different but each has the same kernel. There will be the new default browser/cell phone type interface and then there will be Windows7. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/09/13/windows_8_preview/ I think this product is an evolutionary product...One part says desktop PC and the other says Web based browser. The interface is just a step on the journey which will lead away from the desktop PC to an internet support application. Many articles have been written saying it more bluntly, but this is the formal acceptance and official agreement, on the part of Microsoft. They have just acknowledged the truth and that is that the PC, as we know it, is dead. So boys and girls if you plan to be working in the computer industry, of the future get your internet skills ready. Learn about web servers, internet protocols, distributive databases, HTMLx, CSSx, JavaScript, web based graphics and cloud based applications (and all the forth-coming generations). It is going to be a thrilling ride as we launch off from the PC. Jim _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Wed Sep 14 17:06:37 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 18:06:37 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] [AccessD] Numbers within a street In-Reply-To: <4E712020.12464.4630E58@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <4E712020.12464.4630E58@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: Thanks for the "second pair of eyes" on the problem. I'm thinking of resuscitating this old app and making it slick and Windows/Linux friendly. If not for profit, then just to keep Alzheimers away. As my best friend Peter says, "The best defence against Alzheimer's is to keep thinking." So in the interim I shall add new columns, one for streetName and one for streetNumber, and then do an update query to populate as many rows as possible. Then I can isolate the failed rows and manually populate them so that everything is hunky-dory. It's an interesting phenomenon, politics x software dev. I know this turf like the back of my hand, albeit within a CDN context. Venturing out would require some serious adjustments: here in Canada we have a notion called Ridings, which vaguely corresponds to geographical areas. I'm not sure what the USA term for these objects is, nor the Danish or French or Italian or Spanish, for that matter. In CDN parlance, a Riding corresponds to some arbitrarily defined geographical area. Upon election, the winning party is free to reposition the boundaries of any given riding, and it's not all corrupt, but often is. Move the boundaries describing Riding xxx to exclude people of some ethnic persuasion, and plonk those disenfranchised people into Riding yyy, which we know we could never win. Etc. There are lots of games played here. What is the USA equivalent to a Riding? And further down the pike, within a Riding there exist any number of Polling stations, the theory being that one should not have to walk more than 5 blocks to cast her vote. What is the USA equivalent of that concept? And (hello Gustav) what is the Danish equivalent? And for the numerous Aussies on this list, what are your designations for these concepts? I mention only these because we are in frequent communication. But I welcome answers from anyone in a country not previously mentioned. And finally, let me throw out a gauntlet. IMO, I think that rep-by-pop is the correct answer. However, CDN law dictates rep-by-geography, which in my opinion is ridiculous. The province of Saskatchewan, for example, contains fewer people than the city of Scarborough, and yet it occupies many more seats in Parliament than does Scarborough. This, IMO, is fundamentally wrong: geography does not and should not matter. What matters is the head-count. A. On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 5:44 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote: > A query Column =VAL(StreetAddress) will give you the street number in all > of those cases. > > If all you want is whether it is odd or evem, then just create a query > column > =VAL(StrretAddress) Mod 2 > > If you want the Street Name by itself , a first pass would be > =RIGHT$(StreetAddress, INSTR(StreetAddress," ") + 1) > > Note: In your third example, VAL() returns just the 2333. If looking for > the street name, I > would want "Queen Street", not "1070 Queen Street", so you lose data when > splitting. For > the actual address, you'd use the original data rather that trying to put > the Number and > Streetname back together again. > > -- > Stuart > > On 14 Sep 2011 at 16:31, Arthur Fuller wrote: > > > I am working on a political campaign management app. The thing I need > > to do is post reports that identify the even and odd numbers on a > > given street. I inherited the db and have freedom to change it (it was > > written by amateurs and they know it and there are no hard feelings if > > I make a change, insofar as said change increases productivity). > > > > So... given a current field called StreetAddress, I want to break it > > into two fields, StreetNumber and StreetAddress, so that I can filter > > the even numbers for one report and the odd numbers for an identical > > report. How can I intelligently extract the data and populate my new > > columns? > > > > Example data: > > > > 123 Normal Street ' easy > > 234A Abnormal Street ' a tad trickier > > 2333-1070 Queen Street ' the 2333 part should fall into the > > StreetNumber field and the rest into the StreetAddress field. > > > > Any clever ideas how I might achieve this? > > > > TIA, > > Arthur > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz Wed Sep 14 18:25:12 2011 From: stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz (Stephen Bond) Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 11:25:12 +1200 Subject: [dba-Tech] [AccessD] Numbers within a street In-Reply-To: References: <4E712020.12464.4630E58@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: OT -reply to gauntlet ... In the New Zealand context, it's rep-by-pop, equal population per seat within a tolerance (I think it's 5%). Unicameral parliament so it's all a bit simpler (we are, after all, a simple people). The boundaries commission (whatever they call themselves) allegedly has reps from political parties but this doesn't stop some minor gerrymandering. However, there is still a racial element here with several seats reserved for one race. And complicated by MMP (don't ask). Stephen Bond -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Thursday, 15 September 2011 10:16 a.m. To: Stephen Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] [AccessD] Numbers within a street And finally, let me throw out a gauntlet. IMO, I think that rep-by-pop is the correct answer. However, CDN law dictates rep-by-geography, which in my opinion is ridiculous. The province of Saskatchewan, for example, contains fewer people than the city of Scarborough, and yet it occupies many more seats in Parliament than does Scarborough. This, IMO, is fundamentally wrong: geography does not and should not matter. What matters is the head-count. A. On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 5:44 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote: From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Wed Sep 14 19:58:08 2011 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 17:58:08 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Ram Usage Message-ID: <9D0341C9EA4E4E9497CE7C4D5D666121@HAL9007> My new super-comp has 8GB RAM. The CPU Usage gadget which shows all 8 cores and their usage also show RAM being used. It rarely goes over 2GB - usually hovers around 1.6. Do I have 6GB RAM that I don't need? Or is the gadget not telling me something. TIA Rocky From df.waters at comcast.net Wed Sep 14 20:04:25 2011 From: df.waters at comcast.net (Dan Waters) Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 20:04:25 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Ram Usage In-Reply-To: <9D0341C9EA4E4E9497CE7C4D5D666121@HAL9007> References: <9D0341C9EA4E4E9497CE7C4D5D666121@HAL9007> Message-ID: <001801cc7343$699aaf90$3cd00eb0$@comcast.net> You probably have about 4 Gb of ram you Usually won't need. I have 6 Gb of ram and it's usually hovering around 33%. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 7:58 PM To: List; 'Off Topic' Subject: [dba-Tech] Ram Usage My new super-comp has 8GB RAM. The CPU Usage gadget which shows all 8 cores and their usage also show RAM being used. It rarely goes over 2GB - usually hovers around 1.6. Do I have 6GB RAM that I don't need? Or is the gadget not telling me something. TIA Rocky _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From bill_patten at embarqmail.com Wed Sep 14 22:52:16 2011 From: bill_patten at embarqmail.com (Bill Patten) Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 20:52:16 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Ram Usage In-Reply-To: <9D0341C9EA4E4E9497CE7C4D5D666121@HAL9007> References: <9D0341C9EA4E4E9497CE7C4D5D666121@HAL9007> Message-ID: <768767B5350A4D0AA7C397011DFFA9A6@BPCS> Hi Rocky, Want to see it used? Install a couple of Virtual Machines. I could only run one at time when I had 4G, now with 8G I can run 2 VM's. Bill -------------------------------------------------- From: "Rocky Smolin" Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 5:58 PM To: "List" ; "'Off Topic'" Subject: [dba-Tech] Ram Usage My new super-comp has 8GB RAM. The CPU Usage gadget which shows all 8 cores and their usage also show RAM being used. It rarely goes over 2GB - usually hovers around 1.6. Do I have 6GB RAM that I don't need? Or is the gadget not telling me something. TIA Rocky _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Wed Sep 14 23:07:30 2011 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 14:07:30 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Ram Usage In-Reply-To: <768767B5350A4D0AA7C397011DFFA9A6@BPCS> References: <9D0341C9EA4E4E9497CE7C4D5D666121@HAL9007>, <768767B5350A4D0AA7C397011DFFA9A6@BPCS> Message-ID: <4E717A02.23826.5C22AA6@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> The primary reason my next laptop (soon I think) is going to be Win64 with 8GB is to run multiple VMs. -- Stuart On 14 Sep 2011 at 20:52, Bill Patten wrote: > Hi Rocky, > > Want to see it used? Install a couple of Virtual Machines. I could > only run one at time when I had 4G, now with 8G I can run 2 VM's. > > Bill > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Rocky Smolin" > Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 5:58 PM > To: "List" ; "'Off Topic'" > > Subject: [dba-Tech] Ram Usage > > My new super-comp has 8GB RAM. > > The CPU Usage gadget which shows all 8 cores and their usage also show > RAM being used. It rarely goes over 2GB - usually hovers around 1.6. > Do I have 6GB RAM that I don't need? Or is the gadget not telling me > something. > > TIA > > Rocky > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From fuller.artful at gmail.com Wed Sep 14 23:09:03 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 00:09:03 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] [AccessD] Numbers within a street In-Reply-To: References: <4E712020.12464.4630E58@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: Thanks for this info. It helps shape my world-view. A. On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 7:25 PM, Stephen Bond wrote: > OT -reply to gauntlet ... > > In the New Zealand context, it's rep-by-pop, equal population per seat > within a tolerance (I think it's 5%). Unicameral parliament so it's all > a bit simpler (we are, after all, a simple people). The boundaries > commission (whatever they call themselves) allegedly has reps from > political parties but this doesn't stop some minor gerrymandering. > > However, there is still a racial element here with several seats > reserved for one race. And complicated by MMP (don't ask). > > Stephen Bond > From fuller.artful at gmail.com Wed Sep 14 23:14:30 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 00:14:30 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Ram Usage In-Reply-To: <4E717A02.23826.5C22AA6@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <9D0341C9EA4E4E9497CE7C4D5D666121@HAL9007> <768767B5350A4D0AA7C397011DFFA9A6@BPCS> <4E717A02.23826.5C22AA6@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: Sheesh, I wish I had the money you guys have at your disposal. I have a mere 3GB of RAM. Any contributions shall be gratefully accepted LOL. Please send your chips to me, hopefully in the 4 GB category. Guy on the street, begging for RAM not money.... Fork off, I don't need coins, I need RAM, bloddy L. A. On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 12:07 AM, Stuart McLachlan wrote: > The primary reason my next laptop (soon I think) is going to be Win64 with > 8GB is to run > multiple VMs. > > From accessd at shaw.ca Wed Sep 14 23:22:43 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 21:22:43 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Ram Usage In-Reply-To: <9D0341C9EA4E4E9497CE7C4D5D666121@HAL9007> References: <9D0341C9EA4E4E9497CE7C4D5D666121@HAL9007> Message-ID: <5F63DEF1D19040A39BE1F8FA8B1055ED@creativesystemdesigns.com> Probably. If you are not planning on doing heavy database work or graphic rendering or web site hosting or high-end game playing, a lot of the RAM and CPU power will be wasted. ;-) The number one bottle neck on any current computer is the hard drive response. Most new motherboards come with a RAID controller and with a minimum of 3-4 drive; you can build an array...superior performance. Things to watch out for are that some motherboards only have the chip sets to support SATA 2 drives but most new drives are SATA 3. SATA 3 drives have double the performance of SATA 2. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 5:58 PM To: List; 'Off Topic' Subject: [dba-Tech] Ram Usage My new super-comp has 8GB RAM. The CPU Usage gadget which shows all 8 cores and their usage also show RAM being used. It rarely goes over 2GB - usually hovers around 1.6. Do I have 6GB RAM that I don't need? Or is the gadget not telling me something. TIA Rocky _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Wed Sep 14 23:27:28 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 00:27:28 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Ram Usage In-Reply-To: <5F63DEF1D19040A39BE1F8FA8B1055ED@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <9D0341C9EA4E4E9497CE7C4D5D666121@HAL9007> <5F63DEF1D19040A39BE1F8FA8B1055ED@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: Man, I am so out of the loop. Not enough energy to keep up with the software, let alone the hardware. I guess I shall call this my "twilight years". The world moves on, and I struggle to keep up, but it's growing increasingly difficult. Not your problem: I appreciate that. But I hate the feeling of being left behind. A. On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 12:22 AM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Probably. > > If you are not planning on doing heavy database work or graphic rendering > or > web site hosting or high-end game playing, a lot of the RAM and CPU power > will be wasted. ;-) > > The number one bottle neck on any current computer is the hard drive > response. Most new motherboards come with a RAID controller and with a > minimum of 3-4 drive; you can build an array...superior performance. Things > to watch out for are that some motherboards only have the chip sets to > support SATA 2 drives but most new drives are SATA 3. SATA 3 drives have > double the performance of SATA 2. > > Jim > > From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Thu Sep 15 00:10:26 2011 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 22:10:26 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Ram Usage In-Reply-To: <768767B5350A4D0AA7C397011DFFA9A6@BPCS> References: <9D0341C9EA4E4E9497CE7C4D5D666121@HAL9007> <768767B5350A4D0AA7C397011DFFA9A6@BPCS> Message-ID: What vm software are you using? I'm thinking if I want to use 2007 & 2010 and avoid that re-install nonsense, that's probably the way to go. R -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bill Patten Sent: September 14, 2011 8:52 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Ram Usage Hi Rocky, Want to see it used? Install a couple of Virtual Machines. I could only run one at time when I had 4G, now with 8G I can run 2 VM's. Bill -------------------------------------------------- From: "Rocky Smolin" Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 5:58 PM To: "List" ; "'Off Topic'" Subject: [dba-Tech] Ram Usage My new super-comp has 8GB RAM. The CPU Usage gadget which shows all 8 cores and their usage also show RAM being used. It rarely goes over 2GB - usually hovers around 1.6. Do I have 6GB RAM that I don't need? Or is the gadget not telling me something. TIA Rocky _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Thu Sep 15 00:11:11 2011 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 22:11:11 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Ram Usage In-Reply-To: <4E717A02.23826.5C22AA6@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <9D0341C9EA4E4E9497CE7C4D5D666121@HAL9007>, <768767B5350A4D0AA7C397011DFFA9A6@BPCS> <4E717A02.23826.5C22AA6@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <8177514526DF4D11ACB49A206AC671E9@HAL9007> What vm software do you use? R -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: September 14, 2011 9:08 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Ram Usage The primary reason my next laptop (soon I think) is going to be Win64 with 8GB is to run multiple VMs. -- Stuart On 14 Sep 2011 at 20:52, Bill Patten wrote: > Hi Rocky, > > Want to see it used? Install a couple of Virtual Machines. I could > only run one at time when I had 4G, now with 8G I can run 2 VM's. > > Bill > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Rocky Smolin" > Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 5:58 PM > To: "List" ; "'Off Topic'" > > Subject: [dba-Tech] Ram Usage > > My new super-comp has 8GB RAM. > > The CPU Usage gadget which shows all 8 cores and their usage also show > RAM being used. It rarely goes over 2GB - usually hovers around 1.6. > Do I have 6GB RAM that I don't need? Or is the gadget not telling me > something. > > TIA > > Rocky > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Thu Sep 15 00:11:57 2011 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 22:11:57 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Ram Usage In-Reply-To: References: <9D0341C9EA4E4E9497CE7C4D5D666121@HAL9007><768767B5350A4D0AA7C397011DFFA9A6@BPCS><4E717A02.23826.5C22AA6@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: Will work for SIMMs? -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: September 14, 2011 9:15 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Ram Usage Sheesh, I wish I had the money you guys have at your disposal. I have a mere 3GB of RAM. Any contributions shall be gratefully accepted LOL. Please send your chips to me, hopefully in the 4 GB category. Guy on the street, begging for RAM not money.... Fork off, I don't need coins, I need RAM, bloddy L. A. On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 12:07 AM, Stuart McLachlan wrote: > The primary reason my next laptop (soon I think) is going to be Win64 > with 8GB is to run multiple VMs. > > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Thu Sep 15 00:39:24 2011 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 15:39:24 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Ram Usage In-Reply-To: <8177514526DF4D11ACB49A206AC671E9@HAL9007> References: <9D0341C9EA4E4E9497CE7C4D5D666121@HAL9007>, <4E717A02.23826.5C22AA6@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>, <8177514526DF4D11ACB49A206AC671E9@HAL9007> Message-ID: <4E718F8C.2211.6164B32@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> VirtualBox -- Stuart On 14 Sep 2011 at 22:11, Rocky Smolin wrote: > What vm software do you use? > > R > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart > McLachlan Sent: September 14, 2011 9:08 PM To: Discussion of Hardware > and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Ram Usage > > The primary reason my next laptop (soon I think) is going to be Win64 > with 8GB is to run multiple VMs. > > -- > Stuart > > On 14 Sep 2011 at 20:52, Bill Patten wrote: > > > Hi Rocky, > > > > Want to see it used? Install a couple of Virtual Machines. I could > > only run one at time when I had 4G, now with 8G I can run 2 VM's. > > > > Bill > > > > -------------------------------------------------- > > From: "Rocky Smolin" > > Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 5:58 PM > > To: "List" ; "'Off Topic'" > > > > Subject: [dba-Tech] Ram Usage > > > > My new super-comp has 8GB RAM. > > > > The CPU Usage gadget which shows all 8 cores and their usage also > > show RAM being used. It rarely goes over 2GB - usually hovers > > around 1.6. Do I have 6GB RAM that I don't need? Or is the gadget > > not telling me something. > > > > TIA > > > > Rocky > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From bill_patten at embarqmail.com Thu Sep 15 01:26:43 2011 From: bill_patten at embarqmail.com (Bill Patten) Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 23:26:43 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Ram Usage In-Reply-To: References: <9D0341C9EA4E4E9497CE7C4D5D666121@HAL9007><768767B5350A4D0AA7C397011DFFA9A6@BPCS> Message-ID: I'm using Windows Virtual Machine that comes with Windows 7 64 bit. I use the built in XPMode that I use for an old copy of Quick Books and of course to test applications to make sure they work on XP and to compile ADP's that wont work on XP if compiled in Win7 SP1. I also have a Vista 32 and windows 7 32 bit for testing apps. Much more efficient than having a separate box. Bill -------------------------------------------------- From: "Rocky Smolin" Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 10:10 PM To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Ram Usage What vm software are you using? I'm thinking if I want to use 2007 & 2010 and avoid that re-install nonsense, that's probably the way to go. R -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bill Patten Sent: September 14, 2011 8:52 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Ram Usage Hi Rocky, Want to see it used? Install a couple of Virtual Machines. I could only run one at time when I had 4G, now with 8G I can run 2 VM's. Bill -------------------------------------------------- From: "Rocky Smolin" Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 5:58 PM To: "List" ; "'Off Topic'" Subject: [dba-Tech] Ram Usage My new super-comp has 8GB RAM. The CPU Usage gadget which shows all 8 cores and their usage also show RAM being used. It rarely goes over 2GB - usually hovers around 1.6. Do I have 6GB RAM that I don't need? Or is the gadget not telling me something. TIA Rocky _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From marklbreen at gmail.com Thu Sep 15 04:40:49 2011 From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen) Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 10:40:49 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Ram Usage In-Reply-To: <4E718F8C.2211.6164B32@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <9D0341C9EA4E4E9497CE7C4D5D666121@HAL9007> <4E717A02.23826.5C22AA6@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <8177514526DF4D11ACB49A206AC671E9@HAL9007> <4E718F8C.2211.6164B32@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: Hello All, I was reading about the VMWare vSphere free version this morning. If VM are market leaders, and this product is free, is it any good? I appears to be able to do a bare metal installation and may even allow some form of dynamic ram usage, so you can configure 4 VM with 4 GB each, and still load all four in a machine with 12 GB (approx) of physical ram. Is that the way to go? I did you Win 8 HyperV before, but I have to assume a light weight bare metal VM software is a better option ? thanks Mark On 15 September 2011 06:39, Stuart McLachlan wrote: > VirtualBox > > -- > Stuart > > On 14 Sep 2011 at 22:11, Rocky Smolin wrote: > > > What vm software do you use? > > > > R > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart > > McLachlan Sent: September 14, 2011 9:08 PM To: Discussion of Hardware > > and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Ram Usage > > > > The primary reason my next laptop (soon I think) is going to be Win64 > > with 8GB is to run multiple VMs. > > > > -- > > Stuart > > > > On 14 Sep 2011 at 20:52, Bill Patten wrote: > > > > > Hi Rocky, > > > > > > Want to see it used? Install a couple of Virtual Machines. I could > > > only run one at time when I had 4G, now with 8G I can run 2 VM's. > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------- > > > From: "Rocky Smolin" > > > Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 5:58 PM > > > To: "List" ; "'Off Topic'" > > > > > > Subject: [dba-Tech] Ram Usage > > > > > > My new super-comp has 8GB RAM. > > > > > > The CPU Usage gadget which shows all 8 cores and their usage also > > > show RAM being used. It rarely goes over 2GB - usually hovers > > > around 1.6. Do I have 6GB RAM that I don't need? Or is the gadget > > > not telling me something. > > > > > > TIA > > > > > > Rocky > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From Gustav at cactus.dk Thu Sep 15 06:06:53 2011 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 13:06:53 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Ram Usage Message-ID: Hi Mark What is "VMWare vSphere free version"? We use the free VMware Server extensively, it even runs the two DCs. At workstations with Win7, we use the free XP Mode for running old apps. It works very well too. /gustav >>> marklbreen at gmail.com 15-09-2011 11:40 >>> Hello All, I was reading about the VMWare vSphere free version this morning. If VM are market leaders, and this product is free, is it any good? I appears to be able to do a bare metal installation and may even allow some form of dynamic ram usage, so you can configure 4 VM with 4 GB each, and still load all four in a machine with 12 GB (approx) of physical ram. Is that the way to go? I did you Win 8 HyperV before, but I have to assume a light weight bare metal VM software is a better option ? thanks Mark From jason at purplecone.com Thu Sep 15 07:12:31 2011 From: jason at purplecone.com (Jason Strickland) Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 08:12:31 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Ram Usage In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: We use the vSphere free versions on our campus. We currently have the 3.5, 4.1 & now 5.0 installed on 6 physical servers. On each of those servers we are running 5 virtual servers with them being Windows 2003, Windows 2008 & Fedora. As long as the server is within the last 3-4 years, vSphere will work very good. On our oldest server, it is a little slower than the newer boxes when you have extensive CPU usage (such as Windows Updates). We use HP servers so we have a USB drive on the inside that we boot from instead of using the physical drives. On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 7:06 AM, Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi Mark > > What is "VMWare vSphere free version"? > We use the free VMware Server extensively, it even runs the two DCs. > > At workstations with Win7, we use the free XP Mode for running old apps. It > works very well too. > > /gustav > > > >>> marklbreen at gmail.com 15-09-2011 11:40 >>> > Hello All, > > I was reading about the VMWare vSphere free version this morning. If VM > are > market leaders, and this product is free, is it any good? > > I appears to be able to do a bare metal installation and may even allow > some > form of dynamic ram usage, so you can configure 4 VM with 4 GB each, and > still load all four in a machine with 12 GB (approx) of physical ram. > > Is that the way to go? > > I did you Win 8 HyperV before, but I have to assume a light weight bare > metal VM software is a better option ? > > thanks > Mark > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- "One reason a dog has so many friends: he wags his tail instead of his tongue." From fuller.artful at gmail.com Thu Sep 15 08:16:38 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 09:16:38 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Ram Usage In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'm growing dizzy with all these alternatives. I currently have downloaded and installed VMPlayer. Perhaps I ought to have gone with VM vSphere instead? I do like the concept of a bare-metal-build, that would seem the obvious way to go: VM is the bottom layer, atop which resides all my other installations. But first I think I'll need to beef up my RAM. I am suffering the limits of a mere 3GB of RAM at the moment. I really need to kick that up. A. On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 7:06 AM, Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi Mark > > What is "VMWare vSphere free version"? > We use the free VMware Server extensively, it even runs the two DCs. > > At workstations with Win7, we use the free XP Mode for running old apps. It > works very well too. > > /gustav > > From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Thu Sep 15 13:01:38 2011 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 04:01:38 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Ram Usage In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: <4E723D82.16000.8BDD768@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> A couple of points. AFAIK, vSPhere os commercial and doesn't have a free version. Bare bones VMs are usually restricted to running on certified components, you can't normally run them on comsumer workstations. -- Stuart On 15 Sep 2011 at 9:16, Arthur Fuller wrote: > I'm growing dizzy with all these alternatives. I currently have > downloaded and installed VMPlayer. Perhaps I ought to have gone with > VM vSphere instead? I do like the concept of a bare-metal-build, that > would seem the obvious way to go: VM is the bottom layer, atop which > resides all my other installations. But first I think I'll need to > beef up my RAM. I am suffering the limits of a mere 3GB of RAM at the > moment. I really need to kick that up. > > A. > > On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 7:06 AM, Gustav Brock > wrote: > > > Hi Mark > > > > What is "VMWare vSphere free version"? > > We use the free VMware Server extensively, it even runs the two DCs. > > > > At workstations with Win7, we use the free XP Mode for running old > > apps. It works very well too. > > > > /gustav > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Thu Sep 15 13:20:16 2011 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 11:20:16 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Ram Usage In-Reply-To: <4E723D82.16000.8BDD768@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: , <4E723D82.16000.8BDD768@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: 2-3 years back I did some virtual machines using a piece of software that I referred to by this list. But can't remember the name. It was free and very simple and effective. R -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: September 15, 2011 11:02 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Ram Usage A couple of points. AFAIK, vSPhere os commercial and doesn't have a free version. Bare bones VMs are usually restricted to running on certified components, you can't normally run them on comsumer workstations. -- Stuart On 15 Sep 2011 at 9:16, Arthur Fuller wrote: > I'm growing dizzy with all these alternatives. I currently have > downloaded and installed VMPlayer. Perhaps I ought to have gone with > VM vSphere instead? I do like the concept of a bare-metal-build, that > would seem the obvious way to go: VM is the bottom layer, atop which > resides all my other installations. But first I think I'll need to > beef up my RAM. I am suffering the limits of a mere 3GB of RAM at the > moment. I really need to kick that up. > > A. > > On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 7:06 AM, Gustav Brock > wrote: > > > Hi Mark > > > > What is "VMWare vSphere free version"? > > We use the free VMware Server extensively, it even runs the two DCs. > > > > At workstations with Win7, we use the free XP Mode for running old > > apps. It works very well too. > > > > /gustav > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From john at winhaven.net Thu Sep 15 14:02:50 2011 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 14:02:50 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Ram Usage In-Reply-To: References: , <4E723D82.16000.8BDD768@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <003f01cc73da$10e5eb70$32b1c250$@winhaven.net> Probably Virtual PC (Microsoft) or VirtualBox ( Oracle - was Sun) I use both and both are fine. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 1:20 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Ram Usage 2-3 years back I did some virtual machines using a piece of software that I referred to by this list. But can't remember the name. It was free and very simple and effective. R -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: September 15, 2011 11:02 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Ram Usage A couple of points. AFAIK, vSPhere os commercial and doesn't have a free version. Bare bones VMs are usually restricted to running on certified components, you can't normally run them on comsumer workstations. -- Stuart On 15 Sep 2011 at 9:16, Arthur Fuller wrote: > I'm growing dizzy with all these alternatives. I currently have > downloaded and installed VMPlayer. Perhaps I ought to have gone with > VM vSphere instead? I do like the concept of a bare-metal-build, that > would seem the obvious way to go: VM is the bottom layer, atop which > resides all my other installations. But first I think I'll need to > beef up my RAM. I am suffering the limits of a mere 3GB of RAM at the > moment. I really need to kick that up. > > A. > > On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 7:06 AM, Gustav Brock > wrote: > > > Hi Mark > > > > What is "VMWare vSphere free version"? > > We use the free VMware Server extensively, it even runs the two DCs. > > > > At workstations with Win7, we use the free XP Mode for running old > > apps. It works very well too. > > > > /gustav > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Thu Sep 15 15:31:11 2011 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 13:31:11 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Ram Usage In-Reply-To: <003f01cc73da$10e5eb70$32b1c250$@winhaven.net> References: , <4E723D82.16000.8BDD768@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <003f01cc73da$10e5eb70$32b1c250$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: Yeah I think it was virtual PC. R -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: September 15, 2011 12:03 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Ram Usage Probably Virtual PC (Microsoft) or VirtualBox ( Oracle - was Sun) I use both and both are fine. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 1:20 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Ram Usage 2-3 years back I did some virtual machines using a piece of software that I referred to by this list. But can't remember the name. It was free and very simple and effective. R -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: September 15, 2011 11:02 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Ram Usage A couple of points. AFAIK, vSPhere os commercial and doesn't have a free version. Bare bones VMs are usually restricted to running on certified components, you can't normally run them on comsumer workstations. -- Stuart On 15 Sep 2011 at 9:16, Arthur Fuller wrote: > I'm growing dizzy with all these alternatives. I currently have > downloaded and installed VMPlayer. Perhaps I ought to have gone with > VM vSphere instead? I do like the concept of a bare-metal-build, that > would seem the obvious way to go: VM is the bottom layer, atop which > resides all my other installations. But first I think I'll need to > beef up my RAM. I am suffering the limits of a mere 3GB of RAM at the > moment. I really need to kick that up. > > A. > > On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 7:06 AM, Gustav Brock > wrote: > > > Hi Mark > > > > What is "VMWare vSphere free version"? > > We use the free VMware Server extensively, it even runs the two DCs. > > > > At workstations with Win7, we use the free XP Mode for running old > > apps. It works very well too. > > > > /gustav > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From john at winhaven.net Thu Sep 15 15:39:59 2011 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 15:39:59 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Ram Usage In-Reply-To: References: , <4E723D82.16000.8BDD768@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <003f01cc73da$10e5eb70$32b1c250$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: <009901cc73e7$a313df90$e93b9eb0$@winhaven.net> There are some restrictions with the latest version which is why I went to Virtual Box. IIRC VPC only supports WXP and up now. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 3:31 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Ram Usage Yeah I think it was virtual PC. R -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: September 15, 2011 12:03 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Ram Usage Probably Virtual PC (Microsoft) or VirtualBox ( Oracle - was Sun) I use both and both are fine. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 1:20 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Ram Usage 2-3 years back I did some virtual machines using a piece of software that I referred to by this list. But can't remember the name. It was free and very simple and effective. R -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: September 15, 2011 11:02 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Ram Usage A couple of points. AFAIK, vSPhere os commercial and doesn't have a free version. Bare bones VMs are usually restricted to running on certified components, you can't normally run them on comsumer workstations. -- Stuart On 15 Sep 2011 at 9:16, Arthur Fuller wrote: > I'm growing dizzy with all these alternatives. I currently have > downloaded and installed VMPlayer. Perhaps I ought to have gone with > VM vSphere instead? I do like the concept of a bare-metal-build, that > would seem the obvious way to go: VM is the bottom layer, atop which > resides all my other installations. But first I think I'll need to > beef up my RAM. I am suffering the limits of a mere 3GB of RAM at the > moment. I really need to kick that up. > > A. > > On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 7:06 AM, Gustav Brock > wrote: > > > Hi Mark > > > > What is "VMWare vSphere free version"? > > We use the free VMware Server extensively, it even runs the two DCs. > > > > At workstations with Win7, we use the free XP Mode for running old > > apps. It works very well too. > > > > /gustav > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Gustav at cactus.dk Fri Sep 16 02:49:21 2011 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 09:49:21 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Ram Usage Message-ID: Hi Stuart That's my impression too. Mark, where did you locate the free VMware vSPhere? Bare bones VMs (ESXi) _are_ restricted to running on certified components. A compatibility list can be found at the VMware site. For that same reason we refrained from using the ESXi and use Windows 2003/8 64-bit as host OS. /gustav >>> stuart at lexacorp.com.pg 15-09-2011 20:01 >>> A couple of points. AFAIK, vSPhere os commercial and doesn't have a free version. Bare bones VMs are usually restricted to running on certified components, you can't normally run them on comsumer workstations. -- Stuart On 15 Sep 2011 at 9:16, Arthur Fuller wrote: > I'm growing dizzy with all these alternatives. I currently have > downloaded and installed VMPlayer. Perhaps I ought to have gone with > VM vSphere instead? I do like the concept of a bare-metal-build, that > would seem the obvious way to go: VM is the bottom layer, atop which > resides all my other installations. But first I think I'll need to > beef up my RAM. I am suffering the limits of a mere 3GB of RAM at the > moment. I really need to kick that up. > > A. > > On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 7:06 AM, Gustav Brock > wrote: > > > Hi Mark > > > > What is "VMWare vSphere free version"? > > We use the free VMware Server extensively, it even runs the two DCs. > > > > At workstations with Win7, we use the free XP Mode for running old > > apps. It works very well too. > > > > /gustav From fuller.artful at gmail.com Fri Sep 16 03:57:00 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 04:57:00 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Ram Usage In-Reply-To: References: <9D0341C9EA4E4E9497CE7C4D5D666121@HAL9007> <768767B5350A4D0AA7C397011DFFA9A6@BPCS> Message-ID: I have Windows 7 Ultimate but I cannot see VPC on my box. What is the actual filename? And am I correct in assuming that the XPMode is already aboard? Thanks in advance. Arthur On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 2:26 AM, Bill Patten wrote: > I'm using Windows Virtual Machine that comes with Windows 7 64 bit. I use > the built in XPMode that I use for an old copy of Quick Books and of course > to test applications to make sure they work on XP and to compile ADP's that > wont work on XP if compiled in Win7 SP1. > From Gustav at cactus.dk Fri Sep 16 04:23:51 2011 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 11:23:51 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Ram Usage Message-ID: Hi Arthur It's download. Just google/bing for Microsoft Windows XP Mode. /gustav >>> fuller.artful at gmail.com 16-09-2011 10:57 >>> I have Windows 7 Ultimate but I cannot see VPC on my box. What is the actual filename? And am I correct in assuming that the XPMode is already aboard? Thanks in advance. Arthur On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 2:26 AM, Bill Patten wrote: > I'm using Windows Virtual Machine that comes with Windows 7 64 bit. I use > the built in XPMode that I use for an old copy of Quick Books and of course > to test applications to make sure they work on XP and to compile ADP's that > wont work on XP if compiled in Win7 SP1. From bill_patten at embarqmail.com Fri Sep 16 09:37:08 2011 From: bill_patten at embarqmail.com (Bill Patten) Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 07:37:08 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Ram Usage In-Reply-To: References: <9D0341C9EA4E4E9497CE7C4D5D666121@HAL9007><768767B5350A4D0AA7C397011DFFA9A6@BPCS> Message-ID: Hi Arthur, I thought it was just me, I found VPCWizard.exe located in windows\system32 and loaded a couple of operating systems then decided the "built in XP" would be better so downloaded it from MS. It may be on the Win 7 install disk but I couldn't find it. I made a short cut to the wizard and have it in my toolbar. HTH Bill PS I just learned that the Windows 8 Preview will not load into VPC, but apparently will load into some of the other VM's out there. Lets see Win 8 won't run in VPC made by MS but will run on other VMs Windows Phone 7 Outlook won't sync to a PC (must use the internet), but a blackberry will. I think MS is their own worst enemy. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Arthur Fuller" Sent: Friday, September 16, 2011 1:57 AM To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Ram Usage I have Windows 7 Ultimate but I cannot see VPC on my box. What is the actual filename? And am I correct in assuming that the XPMode is already aboard? Thanks in advance. Arthur On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 2:26 AM, Bill Patten wrote: > I'm using Windows Virtual Machine that comes with Windows 7 64 bit. I use > the built in XPMode that I use for an old copy of Quick Books and of > course > to test applications to make sure they work on XP and to compile ADP's > that > wont work on XP if compiled in Win7 SP1. > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Fri Sep 16 13:03:15 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 11:03:15 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Downloading In-Reply-To: <003f01cc73da$10e5eb70$32b1c250$@winhaven.net> References: <4E723D82.16000.8BDD768@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <003f01cc73da$10e5eb70$32b1c250$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: Hi All: Can anyone recommend a app that a client can use to stabilize a long download that may drop a few times and need to be resumed with no lose of data. There use to be a application called Vampire that would retry again and again on a long modem download, but that was many years ago. In this circumstance I can not get direct access to the client so they will have to install and setup such an app themselves... I have been come so use to stable or managed data streaming that I have not thought about dropping connections for a while so any thoughts would be greatly appreciated. TIA Jim From jason at purplecone.com Fri Sep 16 13:11:36 2011 From: jason at purplecone.com (Jason Strickland) Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 14:11:36 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Downloading In-Reply-To: References: <4E723D82.16000.8BDD768@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <003f01cc73da$10e5eb70$32b1c250$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: I've been using "Free Download Manager" http://www.freedownloadmanager.org/ and I really like it. On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 2:03 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Hi All: > > Can anyone recommend a app that a client can use to stabilize a long > download that may drop a few times and need to be resumed with no lose of > data. > > There use to be a application called Vampire that would retry again and > again on a long modem download, but that was many years ago. In this > circumstance I can not get direct access to the client so they will have to > install and setup such an app themselves... > > I have been come so use to stable or managed data streaming that I have not > thought about dropping connections for a while so any thoughts would be > greatly appreciated. > > TIA > Jim > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- "One reason a dog has so many friends: he wags his tail instead of his tongue." From phil.rosenkranz at co.yakima.wa.us Fri Sep 16 13:13:18 2011 From: phil.rosenkranz at co.yakima.wa.us (Phil Rosenkranz) Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 11:13:18 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Downloading In-Reply-To: References: <4E723D82.16000.8BDD768@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <003f01cc73da$10e5eb70$32b1c250$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: I haven't used these in a long time. They worked great the last time I used them. http://www.gozilla.com/ http://filezilla-project.org/download.php Phil >-----Original Message----- >From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech- >bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence >Sent: Friday, September 16, 2011 11:03 AM >To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'; 'Access Developers >discussion and problem solving' >Subject: [dba-Tech] Downloading > >Hi All: > >Can anyone recommend a app that a client can use to stabilize a long >download that may drop a few times and need to be resumed with no >lose of >data. > >There use to be a application called Vampire that would retry again >and >again on a long modem download, but that was many years ago. In this >circumstance I can not get direct access to the client so they will have >to >install and setup such an app themselves... > >I have been come so use to stable or managed data streaming that I >have not >thought about dropping connections for a while so any thoughts would >be >greatly appreciated. > >TIA >Jim From marklbreen at gmail.com Fri Sep 16 16:52:15 2011 From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen) Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 22:52:15 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Ram Usage In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello Gustav, Sorry for the delay, I have been struggling with Win 7 and restore points for 48 hours. Sometimes I hate Microsoft. The link for free vShpere is https://www.vmware.com/tryvmware/index.php?p=free-esxi5&lp=default I like the idea of installing it in the usb and booting from that. No messing with CDs of disks. I have not installed it yet, but hope to do so soon Mark On 16 September 2011 08:49, Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi Stuart > > That's my impression too. Mark, where did you locate the free VMware > vSPhere? > > Bare bones VMs (ESXi) _are_ restricted to running on certified components. > A compatibility list can be found at the VMware site. For that same reason > we refrained from using the ESXi and use Windows 2003/8 64-bit as host OS. > > /gustav > > > >>> stuart at lexacorp.com.pg 15-09-2011 20:01 >>> > A couple of points. > AFAIK, vSPhere os commercial and doesn't have a free version. > Bare bones VMs are usually restricted to running on certified components, > you can't normally > run them on comsumer workstations. > > -- > Stuart > > > On 15 Sep 2011 at 9:16, Arthur Fuller wrote: > > > I'm growing dizzy with all these alternatives. I currently have > > downloaded and installed VMPlayer. Perhaps I ought to have gone with > > VM vSphere instead? I do like the concept of a bare-metal-build, that > > would seem the obvious way to go: VM is the bottom layer, atop which > > resides all my other installations. But first I think I'll need to > > beef up my RAM. I am suffering the limits of a mere 3GB of RAM at the > > moment. I really need to kick that up. > > > > A. > > > > On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 7:06 AM, Gustav Brock > > wrote: > > > > > Hi Mark > > > > > > What is "VMWare vSphere free version"? > > > We use the free VMware Server extensively, it even runs the two DCs. > > > > > > At workstations with Win7, we use the free XP Mode for running old > > > apps. It works very well too. > > > > > > /gustav > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From gustav at cactus.dk Fri Sep 16 17:07:42 2011 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 00:07:42 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Ram Usage Message-ID: Hi Mark OK, but that is trialware only, right? /gustav >>> marklbreen at gmail.com 16-09-2011 23:52 >>> Hello Gustav, Sorry for the delay, I have been struggling with Win 7 and restore points for 48 hours. Sometimes I hate Microsoft. The link for free vShpere is https://www.vmware.com/tryvmware/index.php?p=free-esxi5&lp=default I like the idea of installing it in the usb and booting from that. No messing with CDs of disks. I have not installed it yet, but hope to do so soon Mark On 16 September 2011 08:49, Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi Stuart > > That's my impression too. Mark, where did you locate the free VMware > vSPhere? > > Bare bones VMs (ESXi) _are_ restricted to running on certified components. > A compatibility list can be found at the VMware site. For that same reason > we refrained from using the ESXi and use Windows 2003/8 64-bit as host OS. > > /gustav > > > >>> stuart at lexacorp.com.pg 15-09-2011 20:01 >>> > A couple of points. > AFAIK, vSPhere os commercial and doesn't have a free version. > Bare bones VMs are usually restricted to running on certified components, > you can't normally > run them on comsumer workstations. > > -- > Stuart > > > On 15 Sep 2011 at 9:16, Arthur Fuller wrote: > > > I'm growing dizzy with all these alternatives. I currently have > > downloaded and installed VMPlayer. Perhaps I ought to have gone with > > VM vSphere instead? I do like the concept of a bare-metal-build, that > > would seem the obvious way to go: VM is the bottom layer, atop which > > resides all my other installations. But first I think I'll need to > > beef up my RAM. I am suffering the limits of a mere 3GB of RAM at the > > moment. I really need to kick that up. > > > > A. > > > > On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 7:06 AM, Gustav Brock > > wrote: > > > > > Hi Mark > > > > > > What is "VMWare vSphere free version"? > > > We use the free VMware Server extensively, it even runs the two DCs. > > > > > > At workstations with Win7, we use the free XP Mode for running old > > > apps. It works very well too. > > > > > > /gustav From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Fri Sep 16 18:03:00 2011 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 09:03:00 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Downloading In-Reply-To: References: , , Message-ID: <4E73D5A4.21930.EF823A4@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> I'm still using DLExpert. It never got out of Beta and it's nearly 10 years old, but it has always worked falwlessly for me. http://majorgeeks.com/DLExpert_d447.html -- Stuart On 16 Sep 2011 at 14:11, Jason Strickland wrote: > I've been using "Free Download Manager" > http://www.freedownloadmanager.org/ and I really like it. > > On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 2:03 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > > > Hi All: > > > > Can anyone recommend a app that a client can use to stabilize a long > > download that may drop a few times and need to be resumed with no > > lose of data. > > > > There use to be a application called Vampire that would retry again > > and again on a long modem download, but that was many years ago. In > > this circumstance I can not get direct access to the client so they > > will have to install and setup such an app themselves... > > > > I have been come so use to stable or managed data streaming that I > > have not thought about dropping connections for a while so any > > thoughts would be greatly appreciated. > > > > TIA > > Jim > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > -- > "One reason a dog has so many friends: he wags his tail instead of his > tongue." _______________________________________________ dba-Tech > mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From accessd at shaw.ca Fri Sep 16 22:44:11 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 20:44:11 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Downloading In-Reply-To: References: <4E723D82.16000.8BDD768@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <003f01cc73da$10e5eb70$32b1c250$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: <12B00854DB694C5BB597AA4D715084F7@creativesystemdesigns.com> Thank you Jason, Stuart and Phil: Filezilla would have been my first choice, Bit Torrent would be a interesting alternative and there is nothing like a good stable application like DLExpert that has survived for years. I used the FreeDownloadManager for a couple of years on one client's system but the copy I got kept downloading ads Thanks again for all your input. Jim PS The client just texted me and said the download went flawlessly so I guess all the backup options were not necessary but will be well worth considering in the future. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Phil Rosenkranz Sent: Friday, September 16, 2011 11:13 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Downloading I haven't used these in a long time. They worked great the last time I used them. http://www.gozilla.com/ http://filezilla-project.org/download.php Phil >-----Original Message----- >From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech- >bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence >Sent: Friday, September 16, 2011 11:03 AM >To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'; 'Access Developers >discussion and problem solving' >Subject: [dba-Tech] Downloading > >Hi All: > >Can anyone recommend a app that a client can use to stabilize a long >download that may drop a few times and need to be resumed with no >lose of >data. > >There use to be a application called Vampire that would retry again >and >again on a long modem download, but that was many years ago. In this >circumstance I can not get direct access to the client so they will have >to >install and setup such an app themselves... > >I have been come so use to stable or managed data streaming that I >have not >thought about dropping connections for a while so any thoughts would >be >greatly appreciated. > >TIA >Jim _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Fri Sep 16 22:46:10 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 20:46:10 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] The browser wars In-Reply-To: <4E73D5A4.21930.EF823A4@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <4E73D5A4.21930.EF823A4@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: The browser wars continue and here is some comentary on the latest stats on who is failing behind and who is pulling ahead. http://www.conceivablytech.com/9349/business/rapid-release-process-dissected -google-is-winning-the-browser-war Jim From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sat Sep 17 10:04:30 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 11:04:30 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 8 Developer Preview Message-ID: Anyone besides me downloaded this baby yet? I haven't installed it yet but plan to this afternoon, in a VM. Since MS put it up, over half a million people have downloaded it. Arthur From john at winhaven.net Sat Sep 17 10:24:38 2011 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 10:24:38 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] The browser wars In-Reply-To: References: <4E73D5A4.21930.EF823A4@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <017a01cc754d$ea358790$bea096b0$@winhaven.net> Not surprising, everything android comes with chrome. There are probably as many phones and tablets browsing now as pcs. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Friday, September 16, 2011 10:46 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] The browser wars The browser wars continue and here is some comentary on the latest stats on who is failing behind and who is pulling ahead. http://www.conceivablytech.com/9349/business/rapid-release-process-dissected -google-is-winning-the-browser-war Jim _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From john at winhaven.net Sat Sep 17 12:17:29 2011 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 12:17:29 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] The browser wars In-Reply-To: References: <4E73D5A4.21930.EF823A4@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <01c201cc755d$ae0f0510$0a2d0f30$@winhaven.net> Oh, and not that I'm cynical or anything ;o) but did you see the advertising splashed all over that page? Coincidence? -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Friday, September 16, 2011 10:46 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] The browser wars The browser wars continue and here is some comentary on the latest stats on who is failing behind and who is pulling ahead. http://www.conceivablytech.com/9349/business/rapid-release-process-dissected -google-is-winning-the-browser-war Jim _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Sat Sep 17 12:34:40 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 10:34:40 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] The browser wars In-Reply-To: <01c201cc755d$ae0f0510$0a2d0f30$@winhaven.net> References: <4E73D5A4.21930.EF823A4@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <01c201cc755d$ae0f0510$0a2d0f30$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: <1A426CCF24EB4F05AD65B7A15C261260@creativesystemdesigns.com> Haha...I did spot Google at the top of the page but the ad keeps changing... Changing topics: Here is another link from that page worthy of comment: http://www.conceivablytech.com/9371/products/rimac-announces-1073-hp-electri c-supercar There just is no substitute for horsepower. I guess it will be a while before these babies are mass produced? Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2011 10:17 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] The browser wars Oh, and not that I'm cynical or anything ;o) but did you see the advertising splashed all over that page? Coincidence? -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Friday, September 16, 2011 10:46 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] The browser wars The browser wars continue and here is some comentary on the latest stats on who is failing behind and who is pulling ahead. http://www.conceivablytech.com/9349/business/rapid-release-process-dissected -google-is-winning-the-browser-war Jim _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sat Sep 17 20:44:26 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 21:44:26 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] I've forgotten the numbers Message-ID: Assuming an AMD dual-core processor and a Windows 7 or Ubuntu 64-bit, how much RAM am I allowed to have? And is there a restriction on cores? All I have at the moment is dual-core and 4GB RAM but I am willing to beef that up to the max on both platforms. What is the max? I have a feeling it's 8Gb but I have been wrong before and this would be no exception. 8 ought to suffice for my humble needs, but just wondering. (Bear in mind that I have retired from the field and am in it strictly as a hobbyist now. Not a lot of budget, no active clients, just my meager pension to carry me through; if anything costs more than $99 I probably can't carry it.) TIA, Arthur From erbachs at gmail.com Sun Sep 18 05:09:31 2011 From: erbachs at gmail.com (Steve Erbach) Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 05:09:31 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] I've forgotten the numbers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Arthur, This page seems to lay it all out. The limits are different based on the version of Windows 7 that you have: Regards, Steve Erbach Neenah, WI On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 8:44 PM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > Assuming an AMD dual-core processor and a Windows 7 or Ubuntu 64-bit, how > much RAM am I allowed to have? And is there a restriction on cores? All I > have at the moment is dual-core and 4GB RAM but I am willing to beef that up > to the max on both platforms. What is the max? I have a feeling it's 8Gb but > I have been wrong before and this would be no exception. 8 ought to suffice > for my humble needs, but just wondering. (Bear in mind that I have retired > from the field and am in it strictly as a hobbyist now. Not a lot of budget, > no active clients, just my meager pension to carry me through; if anything > costs more than $99 I probably can't carry it.) > > TIA, > Arthur > _______________________________________________ From erbachs at gmail.com Sun Sep 18 05:19:01 2011 From: erbachs at gmail.com (Steve Erbach) Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 05:19:01 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 8 Developer Preview In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Arthur, One of the teachers at the local technical college (Fox Valley Technical College in Appleton, WI) came in at the tail-end of one of the evening classes I'm taking to show Windows 8 to our instructor. This guy had a 4-year-old tablet PC -- with the swiveling monitor that can lay flat for pen input -- that looked as if it had been dragged behind a car. But, by golly, it ran the dev edition of Windows 8. I thought it was very interesting. Apparently, the handwriting recognition is phenomenal. My instructor scratched out a few words and I saw his eyebrows go up as Windows correctly deciphered his words as fast as he wrote them. Clearly Microsoft is pursuing the entire mobile market. Regards, Steve Erbach Neenah, WI On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 10:04 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > Anyone besides me downloaded this baby yet? I haven't installed it yet but > plan to this afternoon, in a VM. > > Since MS put it up, over half a million people have downloaded it. > > Arthur > _______________________________________________ > From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sun Sep 18 09:10:32 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 10:10:32 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 8 Developer Preview In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: All points taken, but the real test is deciphering the handwriting of physicians! However, that test appears obsolete, at least in this province of Canada. My physician gave me a printout not a handwritten note. Perhaps they too have been compromised by the data-world-machine-eating-everything insane robotic culture. Pretty soon a robot will be examining me, not a very lovely Cantonese-speaking (sadly, married) woman. Perhaps robots can learn Cantonese more quickly than I. That would really make me feel worthless. I've been trying for a couple of years; please don't tell me that a robot can learn in six weeks! Help! The robots are coming! What is this poor boy to do? Perhaps negotiate. We are the Palestinians and the robots are Israel: is there any chance for the Gaza strip? Yikes, I don't like these analogies! A. From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sun Sep 18 09:38:58 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 10:38:58 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] I've forgotten the numbers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thx, I shal check this link out, Arthur From marklbreen at gmail.com Sun Sep 18 10:10:58 2011 From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen) Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 16:10:58 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Ram Usage In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Gustav, A few things to report since Friday night. I downloaded and installed vSphere on to bare metal. Whole process took not more than 15 mins. I used a program named UnBootin to create a bootable USB Stick from the ISO image so I do not have to mess around with old fashioned CDs. UnBootin works really great. I have registered and requested an licence key from VMware and have recieved it, but I have not entered it yet, because for some reason, I only requested 1 and I am anxious not to waste it in case I struggle to get another. Having said that, I can apply with a different email and I suppose they will just give me another few. You can read all about the free vShpere here When I enter the key, and if it works, I will let you know. Once I did the 15 mins to get the image, make a bootable USB from the ISO and then boot the machine, I installed it all on a little AMD Phenon II quad core machine I happpen to have here. The dos type screen just has a few settings to set your network values. It can do nothing else. The next step is to download and install the Vmware client tools which are amazing. Once I did that I kicked off three VM's (Ubuntu, XP and Win7), told VMWare to allocate 4 GB each, and powered them up (My little AMD box only has 4 gb in total) but VMware can dynamically allocate the RAM - really cool stuff. I have some more playing to do with it, but for now, I am shocked at how good it is and would never again consider playing with Virtual PC or Win2k8 and its HyperV. BTW, I am trying to learn a little about Linux as well at the moment, Natty Narwhal ! Mark On 16 September 2011 23:07, Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi Mark > > OK, but that is trialware only, right? > > /gustav > > >>> marklbreen at gmail.com 16-09-2011 23:52 >>> > Hello Gustav, > > Sorry for the delay, I have been struggling with Win 7 and restore points > for 48 hours. Sometimes I hate Microsoft. > > The link for free vShpere is > https://www.vmware.com/tryvmware/index.php?p=free-esxi5&lp=default > > I like the idea of installing it in the usb and booting from that. No > messing with CDs of disks. > > I have not installed it yet, but hope to do so soon > > Mark > > > On 16 September 2011 08:49, Gustav Brock wrote: > > > Hi Stuart > > > > That's my impression too. Mark, where did you locate the free VMware > > vSPhere? > > > > Bare bones VMs (ESXi) _are_ restricted to running on certified > components. > > A compatibility list can be found at the VMware site. For that same > reason > > we refrained from using the ESXi and use Windows 2003/8 64-bit as host > OS. > > > > /gustav > > > > > > >>> stuart at lexacorp.com.pg 15-09-2011 20:01 >>> > > A couple of points. > > AFAIK, vSPhere os commercial and doesn't have a free version. > > Bare bones VMs are usually restricted to running on certified components, > > you can't normally > > run them on comsumer workstations. > > > > -- > > Stuart > > > > > > On 15 Sep 2011 at 9:16, Arthur Fuller wrote: > > > > > I'm growing dizzy with all these alternatives. I currently have > > > downloaded and installed VMPlayer. Perhaps I ought to have gone with > > > VM vSphere instead? I do like the concept of a bare-metal-build, that > > > would seem the obvious way to go: VM is the bottom layer, atop which > > > resides all my other installations. But first I think I'll need to > > > beef up my RAM. I am suffering the limits of a mere 3GB of RAM at the > > > moment. I really need to kick that up. > > > > > > A. > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 7:06 AM, Gustav Brock > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Hi Mark > > > > > > > > What is "VMWare vSphere free version"? > > > > We use the free VMware Server extensively, it even runs the two DCs. > > > > > > > > At workstations with Win7, we use the free XP Mode for running old > > > > apps. It works very well too. > > > > > > > > /gustav > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From accessd at shaw.ca Sun Sep 18 10:18:58 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 08:18:58 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] I've forgotten the numbers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5841CD9B112F4A998122E1B408580F27@creativesystemdesigns.com> That is hardware dependant. 16GB sounds like a good max for a desktop box but for servers type motherboards; I have heard of as much as 128GB. There is an OS componenet to this of course. Windows7 might have a 16GB limit but Ubuntu 64 bit server is unlimited (multiple pente-bytes). Check your computer and see how many RAM slots you have...are they fully populated? Check the motherboard, online and see what type of RAM is needed. There is many variations. If you do decide to upgrade, you could just take one of the sticks with you to the shop for reference. We have a number of computer shops that sell second hand systems and components on consignment or straight sales. There is also the Sally-Anne which has 100s of older systems dumped on them in a day and they will bargain. I am sure there are dozens of places like that in Toronto. Depending on what, you should be able to pick up some RAM at 50 percent or more off. Then there is eBay...a friend picked up a $2000+ server for around $250. HTH Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2011 6:44 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] I've forgotten the numbers Assuming an AMD dual-core processor and a Windows 7 or Ubuntu 64-bit, how much RAM am I allowed to have? And is there a restriction on cores? All I have at the moment is dual-core and 4GB RAM but I am willing to beef that up to the max on both platforms. What is the max? I have a feeling it's 8Gb but I have been wrong before and this would be no exception. 8 ought to suffice for my humble needs, but just wondering. (Bear in mind that I have retired from the field and am in it strictly as a hobbyist now. Not a lot of budget, no active clients, just my meager pension to carry me through; if anything costs more than $99 I probably can't carry it.) TIA, Arthur _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Sun Sep 18 10:25:02 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 08:25:02 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 8 Developer Preview In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <85DBD57959B144C0822CF96737727BA5@creativesystemdesigns.com> Don't worry Arthur we still have a few years before we are obsolete. ;-) I personally plan to keep working until no one else is working and then I can comfortable retire knowing I have done my job. I am sure, by that time there will be plenty of interment camps for all those displaced. ;-) Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2011 7:11 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows 8 Developer Preview All points taken, but the real test is deciphering the handwriting of physicians! However, that test appears obsolete, at least in this province of Canada. My physician gave me a printout not a handwritten note. Perhaps they too have been compromised by the data-world-machine-eating-everything insane robotic culture. Pretty soon a robot will be examining me, not a very lovely Cantonese-speaking (sadly, married) woman. Perhaps robots can learn Cantonese more quickly than I. That would really make me feel worthless. I've been trying for a couple of years; please don't tell me that a robot can learn in six weeks! Help! The robots are coming! What is this poor boy to do? Perhaps negotiate. We are the Palestinians and the robots are Israel: is there any chance for the Gaza strip? Yikes, I don't like these analogies! A. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From gustav at cactus.dk Sun Sep 18 13:55:14 2011 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 20:55:14 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] VMware vSphere Hypervisor (was: Ram Usage) Message-ID: Hi Mark Thanks! Don't know why I couldn't locate that link. Anyway, it seems that the ESXi has been rebranded and it supports 32 GB ram. /gustav >>> marklbreen at gmail.com 18-09-2011 17:10 >>> Hi Gustav, A few things to report since Friday night. I downloaded and installed vSphere on to bare metal. Whole process took not more than 15 mins. I used a program named UnBootin to create a bootable USB Stick from the ISO image so I do not have to mess around with old fashioned CDs. UnBootin works really great. I have registered and requested an licence key from VMware and have recieved it, but I have not entered it yet, because for some reason, I only requested 1 and I am anxious not to waste it in case I struggle to get another. Having said that, I can apply with a different email and I suppose they will just give me another few. You can read all about the free vShpere here When I enter the key, and if it works, I will let you know. Once I did the 15 mins to get the image, make a bootable USB from the ISO and then boot the machine, I installed it all on a little AMD Phenon II quad core machine I happpen to have here. The dos type screen just has a few settings to set your network values. It can do nothing else. The next step is to download and install the Vmware client tools which are amazing. Once I did that I kicked off three VM's (Ubuntu, XP and Win7), told VMWare to allocate 4 GB each, and powered them up (My little AMD box only has 4 gb in total) but VMware can dynamically allocate the RAM - really cool stuff. I have some more playing to do with it, but for now, I am shocked at how good it is and would never again consider playing with Virtual PC or Win2k8 and its HyperV. BTW, I am trying to learn a little about Linux as well at the moment, Natty Narwhal ! Mark On 16 September 2011 23:07, Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi Mark > > OK, but that is trialware only, right? > > /gustav > > >>> marklbreen at gmail.com 16-09-2011 23:52 >>> > Hello Gustav, > > Sorry for the delay, I have been struggling with Win 7 and restore points > for 48 hours. Sometimes I hate Microsoft. > > The link for free vShpere is > https://www.vmware.com/tryvmware/index.php?p=free-esxi5&lp=default > > I like the idea of installing it in the usb and booting from that. No > messing with CDs of disks. > > I have not installed it yet, but hope to do so soon > > Mark From marklbreen at gmail.com Mon Sep 19 03:28:11 2011 From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 09:28:11 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Linux and Firefox Message-ID: Hello All, Hope you do not mind me changing the subject on this discussion. Francisco mentions below that he uses Firefox on Linux. Over the weekend, I tried to book online for Dublin Airport car park using Linux and FF. However, the site informed me that they do not currently support this phone browser and to try a regular PC. Well I guess I can understand what caused that wrong message, but I was disappointed that I had to go upstairs to my windows machine. To gently tease the kids, I also took a printscreen of their old Windows desktop and set it as the desktop on the linux installation. Their heads were messed up because they could see the Windows icons, but still they were on linux :) Mark On 19 September 2011 00:09, Francisco Tapia wrote: > Another thing you can attempt is to setup a Linux virtual machine > that would prevent hackers from reaching your personal data directly. > I really won't surf the net on Internet explorer (any version). I only > use Firefox with noscript and on a Linux machine helps to obfuscate as > much direct contact as possible... > > Sent from my mobile > > From marklbreen at gmail.com Mon Sep 19 03:37:04 2011 From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 09:37:04 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] 666+666=? Message-ID: Hello All, I wanted to share a little humour if you do not mind. Last week my kids were practicing their mental arithmetic, initially doing sums like 11 + 7 etc. Then they started getting excited because they noticed they could add 111+111 I gently lead them along doing 222+222 and 333+333. Of course, the answer is Six Hundred and Sixty Six We then got to 444+444 and both Max and Rowena (they are nine) shouted out Eight hundred and Eighty Eight. There was glee in their voices at that stratospheric heights they were now capable of. So next I said "OK, whats 666+666". Rowena was silent as she realised it was not so simple, but without hesitation, Max responded with "Twelve Hundred and Twelvety Twelveth" Hope you like it, Mark From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Sep 19 08:44:06 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 06:44:06 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Linux and Firefox In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Mark: That happens more frequently than you would guess. Many of my sites will not run on IE as the clients are unwilling to pay the extra dollars for the extra coding necessary. It has not been until recently, that IE (IE9), has supported HTML5 or CSS3. Some web programmer did the reverse and built the site only for IE. You could try the Linux Chrome browser, Chromium and see if you have better luck. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 1:28 AM To: Discussion concerning MS SQL Server; Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Linux and Firefox Hello All, Hope you do not mind me changing the subject on this discussion. Francisco mentions below that he uses Firefox on Linux. Over the weekend, I tried to book online for Dublin Airport car park using Linux and FF. However, the site informed me that they do not currently support this phone browser and to try a regular PC. Well I guess I can understand what caused that wrong message, but I was disappointed that I had to go upstairs to my windows machine. To gently tease the kids, I also took a printscreen of their old Windows desktop and set it as the desktop on the linux installation. Their heads were messed up because they could see the Windows icons, but still they were on linux :) Mark On 19 September 2011 00:09, Francisco Tapia wrote: > Another thing you can attempt is to setup a Linux virtual machine > that would prevent hackers from reaching your personal data directly. > I really won't surf the net on Internet explorer (any version). I only > use Firefox with noscript and on a Linux machine helps to obfuscate as > much direct contact as possible... > > Sent from my mobile > > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From john at winhaven.net Mon Sep 19 10:55:44 2011 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 10:55:44 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Linux and Firefox In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <027601cc76e4$9759fd60$c60df820$@winhaven.net> I get some pretty strange messages on my android tablet. One app, IIRC Flash, would not download to my iPad because Apple does not support it. Nice slap in the face Adobe. First inferring that _I_ bought an iPad and second suggesting that Apple has anything to say about Android. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 8:44 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Linux and Firefox Hi Mark: That happens more frequently than you would guess. Many of my sites will not run on IE as the clients are unwilling to pay the extra dollars for the extra coding necessary. It has not been until recently, that IE (IE9), has supported HTML5 or CSS3. Some web programmer did the reverse and built the site only for IE. You could try the Linux Chrome browser, Chromium and see if you have better luck. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 1:28 AM To: Discussion concerning MS SQL Server; Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Linux and Firefox Hello All, Hope you do not mind me changing the subject on this discussion. Francisco mentions below that he uses Firefox on Linux. Over the weekend, I tried to book online for Dublin Airport car park using Linux and FF. However, the site informed me that they do not currently support this phone browser and to try a regular PC. Well I guess I can understand what caused that wrong message, but I was disappointed that I had to go upstairs to my windows machine. To gently tease the kids, I also took a printscreen of their old Windows desktop and set it as the desktop on the linux installation. Their heads were messed up because they could see the Windows icons, but still they were on linux :) Mark On 19 September 2011 00:09, Francisco Tapia wrote: > Another thing you can attempt is to setup a Linux virtual machine > that would prevent hackers from reaching your personal data directly. > I really won't surf the net on Internet explorer (any version). I only > use Firefox with noscript and on a Linux machine helps to obfuscate as > much direct contact as possible... > > Sent from my mobile > > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From john at winhaven.net Mon Sep 19 10:55:44 2011 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 10:55:44 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] 666+666=? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <027701cc76e4$978998e0$c69ccaa0$@winhaven.net> Funny! -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 3:37 AM To: Discussion concerning MS SQL Server; Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] 666+666=? Hello All, I wanted to share a little humour if you do not mind. Last week my kids were practicing their mental arithmetic, initially doing sums like 11 + 7 etc. Then they started getting excited because they noticed they could add 111+111 I gently lead them along doing 222+222 and 333+333. Of course, the answer is Six Hundred and Sixty Six We then got to 444+444 and both Max and Rowena (they are nine) shouted out Eight hundred and Eighty Eight. There was glee in their voices at that stratospheric heights they were now capable of. So next I said "OK, whats 666+666". Rowena was silent as she realised it was not so simple, but without hesitation, Max responded with "Twelve Hundred and Twelvety Twelveth" Hope you like it, Mark _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From tinanfields at torchlake.com Mon Sep 19 12:44:58 2011 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 13:44:58 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] 666+666=? In-Reply-To: <027701cc76e4$978998e0$c69ccaa0$@winhaven.net> References: <027701cc76e4$978998e0$c69ccaa0$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: <4E777F9A.3000401@torchlake.com> Wonderful! 666 + 666 is indeed 1200 (twelve hundred) + 120 (twelvety) + 12 (twelve) - absolutely right on! I love it! T Tina Norris Fields tinanfields at torchlake.com 231-322-2787 On 9/19/2011 11:55 AM, John Bartow wrote: > Funny! > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen > Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 3:37 AM > To: Discussion concerning MS SQL Server; Discussion of Hardware and Software > issues > Subject: [dba-Tech] 666+666=? > > Hello All, > > I wanted to share a little humour if you do not mind. > > Last week my kids were practicing their mental arithmetic, initially doing > sums like 11 + 7 etc. > > Then they started getting excited because they noticed they could add > 111+111 > > I gently lead them along doing 222+222 and 333+333. Of course, the answer > is Six Hundred and Sixty Six We then got to 444+444 and both Max and Rowena > (they are nine) shouted out Eight hundred and Eighty Eight. There was glee > in their voices at that stratospheric heights they were now capable of. > > So next I said "OK, whats 666+666". Rowena was silent as she realised it > was not so simple, but without hesitation, Max responded with "Twelve > Hundred and Twelvety Twelveth" > > Hope you like it, > > Mark > From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Sep 19 15:22:02 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 13:22:02 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Linux and Firefox In-Reply-To: <027601cc76e4$9759fd60$c60df820$@winhaven.net> References: <027601cc76e4$9759fd60$c60df820$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: It appears that both Silverlight (what a waste of money if it was expected to be a Flash replacement) and Flash, are on their way out. Adobe has even created a new product called Edge, which will create Flash like browser results but uses HTML5 and CSS3. (Free for download: http://tinyurl.com/6adgd4t as they are looking for early adopters in the developer's community.) You are going to run into these issues for a while as one product is being phased out and being replaced by another. Android still supports Flash as Google is the proud owner of YouTube but a replacement technology is in the works as so many Flash experts are also migrating and want to have a solid alternative. There are now, many free Flash website designs, as companies are shedding their stables of Flash inventory and are now using them as bait, to attract potential clients to their sites. It will probably take 2 to 5 years before Flash is finally gone. There is a general trend in the developer's community to not embrace a closed standard, as if history is any indication, a person's career can be jeopardized when a company decides to no longer support one of their products and huge costs are incurred buying into a new closed technology, starting with huge time waste, as well as poorer products, until sufficient skill-sets have been obtained. MS Access comes to mind. Long live Open Source standards. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 8:56 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Linux and Firefox I get some pretty strange messages on my android tablet. One app, IIRC Flash, would not download to my iPad because Apple does not support it. Nice slap in the face Adobe. First inferring that _I_ bought an iPad and second suggesting that Apple has anything to say about Android. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 8:44 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Linux and Firefox Hi Mark: That happens more frequently than you would guess. Many of my sites will not run on IE as the clients are unwilling to pay the extra dollars for the extra coding necessary. It has not been until recently, that IE (IE9), has supported HTML5 or CSS3. Some web programmer did the reverse and built the site only for IE. You could try the Linux Chrome browser, Chromium and see if you have better luck. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 1:28 AM To: Discussion concerning MS SQL Server; Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Linux and Firefox Hello All, Hope you do not mind me changing the subject on this discussion. Francisco mentions below that he uses Firefox on Linux. Over the weekend, I tried to book online for Dublin Airport car park using Linux and FF. However, the site informed me that they do not currently support this phone browser and to try a regular PC. Well I guess I can understand what caused that wrong message, but I was disappointed that I had to go upstairs to my windows machine. To gently tease the kids, I also took a printscreen of their old Windows desktop and set it as the desktop on the linux installation. Their heads were messed up because they could see the Windows icons, but still they were on linux :) Mark On 19 September 2011 00:09, Francisco Tapia wrote: > Another thing you can attempt is to setup a Linux virtual machine > that would prevent hackers from reaching your personal data directly. > I really won't surf the net on Internet explorer (any version). I only > use Firefox with noscript and on a Linux machine helps to obfuscate as > much direct contact as possible... > > Sent from my mobile > > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Sep 19 15:23:52 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 13:23:52 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] 666+666=? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0AADAC13CF1E46038ED7757EDAFF1E7B@creativesystemdesigns.com> Perfect, love it. A real bright little penny you have there. ;-) Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 1:37 AM To: Discussion concerning MS SQL Server; Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] 666+666=? Hello All, I wanted to share a little humour if you do not mind. Last week my kids were practicing their mental arithmetic, initially doing sums like 11 + 7 etc. Then they started getting excited because they noticed they could add 111+111 I gently lead them along doing 222+222 and 333+333. Of course, the answer is Six Hundred and Sixty Six We then got to 444+444 and both Max and Rowena (they are nine) shouted out Eight hundred and Eighty Eight. There was glee in their voices at that stratospheric heights they were now capable of. So next I said "OK, whats 666+666". Rowena was silent as she realised it was not so simple, but without hesitation, Max responded with "Twelve Hundred and Twelvety Twelveth" Hope you like it, Mark _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From john at winhaven.net Mon Sep 19 16:30:49 2011 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 16:30:49 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Linux and Firefox In-Reply-To: References: <027601cc76e4$9759fd60$c60df820$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: <008201cc7713$66c80410$34580c30$@winhaven.net> Yea, I've had Flash Professional for a couple of year snow but decided against using it. I think Silverlight is a better alternative but with CSS3 and HTML5 what's the point? Unfortunately it's the lag time that is the PITA for end users. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 3:22 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Linux and Firefox It appears that both Silverlight (what a waste of money if it was expected to be a Flash replacement) and Flash, are on their way out. Adobe has even created a new product called Edge, which will create Flash like browser results but uses HTML5 and CSS3. (Free for download: http://tinyurl.com/6adgd4t as they are looking for early adopters in the developer's community.) You are going to run into these issues for a while as one product is being phased out and being replaced by another. Android still supports Flash as Google is the proud owner of YouTube but a replacement technology is in the works as so many Flash experts are also migrating and want to have a solid alternative. There are now, many free Flash website designs, as companies are shedding their stables of Flash inventory and are now using them as bait, to attract potential clients to their sites. It will probably take 2 to 5 years before Flash is finally gone. There is a general trend in the developer's community to not embrace a closed standard, as if history is any indication, a person's career can be jeopardized when a company decides to no longer support one of their products and huge costs are incurred buying into a new closed technology, starting with huge time waste, as well as poorer products, until sufficient skill-sets have been obtained. MS Access comes to mind. Long live Open Source standards. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 8:56 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Linux and Firefox I get some pretty strange messages on my android tablet. One app, IIRC Flash, would not download to my iPad because Apple does not support it. Nice slap in the face Adobe. First inferring that _I_ bought an iPad and second suggesting that Apple has anything to say about Android. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 8:44 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Linux and Firefox Hi Mark: That happens more frequently than you would guess. Many of my sites will not run on IE as the clients are unwilling to pay the extra dollars for the extra coding necessary. It has not been until recently, that IE (IE9), has supported HTML5 or CSS3. Some web programmer did the reverse and built the site only for IE. You could try the Linux Chrome browser, Chromium and see if you have better luck. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 1:28 AM To: Discussion concerning MS SQL Server; Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Linux and Firefox Hello All, Hope you do not mind me changing the subject on this discussion. Francisco mentions below that he uses Firefox on Linux. Over the weekend, I tried to book online for Dublin Airport car park using Linux and FF. However, the site informed me that they do not currently support this phone browser and to try a regular PC. Well I guess I can understand what caused that wrong message, but I was disappointed that I had to go upstairs to my windows machine. To gently tease the kids, I also took a printscreen of their old Windows desktop and set it as the desktop on the linux installation. Their heads were messed up because they could see the Windows icons, but still they were on linux :) Mark On 19 September 2011 00:09, Francisco Tapia wrote: > Another thing you can attempt is to setup a Linux virtual machine > that would prevent hackers from reaching your personal data directly. > I really won't surf the net on Internet explorer (any version). I only > use Firefox with noscript and on a Linux machine helps to obfuscate as > much direct contact as possible... > > Sent from my mobile > > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From peter.brawley at earthlink.net Mon Sep 19 16:37:19 2011 From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 16:37:19 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Linux and Firefox In-Reply-To: References: <027601cc76e4$9759fd60$c60df820$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: <4E77B60F.2030504@earthlink.net> On 9/19/2011 3:22 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > It appears that both Silverlight (what a waste of money if it was expected > to be a Flash replacement) and Flash, are on their way out. Six cheers! PB ----- > Adobe has even > created a new product called Edge, which will create Flash like browser > results but uses HTML5 and CSS3. (Free for download: > http://tinyurl.com/6adgd4t as they are looking for early adopters in the > developer's community.) > > You are going to run into these issues for a while as one product is being > phased out and being replaced by another. > > Android still supports Flash as Google is the proud owner of YouTube but a > replacement technology is in the works as so many Flash experts are also > migrating and want to have a solid alternative. > > There are now, many free Flash website designs, as companies are shedding > their stables of Flash inventory and are now using them as bait, to attract > potential clients to their sites. It will probably take 2 to 5 years before > Flash is finally gone. > > There is a general trend in the developer's community to not embrace a > closed standard, as if history is any indication, a person's career can be > jeopardized when a company decides to no longer support one of their > products and huge costs are incurred buying into a new closed technology, > starting with huge time waste, as well as poorer products, until sufficient > skill-sets have been obtained. > > MS Access comes to mind. Long live Open Source standards. > > Jim > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow > Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 8:56 AM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Linux and Firefox > > I get some pretty strange messages on my android tablet. One app, IIRC > Flash, would not download to my iPad because Apple does not support it. Nice > slap in the face Adobe. First inferring that _I_ bought an iPad and second > suggesting that Apple has anything to say about Android. > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence > Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 8:44 AM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Linux and Firefox > > Hi Mark: > > That happens more frequently than you would guess. Many of my sites will not > run on IE as the clients are unwilling to pay the extra dollars for the > extra coding necessary. It has not been until recently, that IE (IE9), has > supported HTML5 or CSS3. Some web programmer did the reverse and built the > site only for IE. > > You could try the Linux Chrome browser, Chromium and see if you have better > luck. > > Jim > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen > Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 1:28 AM > To: Discussion concerning MS SQL Server; Discussion of Hardware and Software > issues > Subject: [dba-Tech] Linux and Firefox > > Hello All, > > Hope you do not mind me changing the subject on this discussion. > > Francisco mentions below that he uses Firefox on Linux. Over the weekend, I > tried to book online for Dublin Airport car park using Linux and FF. > However, the site informed me that they do not currently support this phone > browser and to try a regular PC. > > Well I guess I can understand what caused that wrong message, but I was > disappointed that I had to go upstairs to my windows machine. > > To gently tease the kids, I also took a printscreen of their old Windows > desktop and set it as the desktop on the linux installation. Their heads > were messed up because they could see the Windows icons, but still they were > on linux :) > > Mark > > > On 19 September 2011 00:09, Francisco Tapia wrote: > >> Another thing you can attempt is to setup a Linux virtual machine >> that would prevent hackers from reaching your personal data directly. >> I really won't surf the net on Internet explorer (any version). I only >> use Firefox with noscript and on a Linux machine helps to obfuscate as >> much direct contact as possible... >> >> Sent from my mobile >> >> > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From john at winhaven.net Mon Sep 19 16:56:04 2011 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 16:56:04 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Linux and Firefox In-Reply-To: References: <027601cc76e4$9759fd60$c60df820$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: <008801cc7716$ed7e6050$c87b20f0$@winhaven.net> BTW Edge only runs on Vista and W7 - no XP -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 3:22 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Linux and Firefox It appears that both Silverlight (what a waste of money if it was expected to be a Flash replacement) and Flash, are on their way out. Adobe has even created a new product called Edge, which will create Flash like browser results but uses HTML5 and CSS3. (Free for download: http://tinyurl.com/6adgd4t as they are looking for early adopters in the developer's community.) You are going to run into these issues for a while as one product is being phased out and being replaced by another. Android still supports Flash as Google is the proud owner of YouTube but a replacement technology is in the works as so many Flash experts are also migrating and want to have a solid alternative. There are now, many free Flash website designs, as companies are shedding their stables of Flash inventory and are now using them as bait, to attract potential clients to their sites. It will probably take 2 to 5 years before Flash is finally gone. There is a general trend in the developer's community to not embrace a closed standard, as if history is any indication, a person's career can be jeopardized when a company decides to no longer support one of their products and huge costs are incurred buying into a new closed technology, starting with huge time waste, as well as poorer products, until sufficient skill-sets have been obtained. MS Access comes to mind. Long live Open Source standards. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 8:56 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Linux and Firefox I get some pretty strange messages on my android tablet. One app, IIRC Flash, would not download to my iPad because Apple does not support it. Nice slap in the face Adobe. First inferring that _I_ bought an iPad and second suggesting that Apple has anything to say about Android. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 8:44 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Linux and Firefox Hi Mark: That happens more frequently than you would guess. Many of my sites will not run on IE as the clients are unwilling to pay the extra dollars for the extra coding necessary. It has not been until recently, that IE (IE9), has supported HTML5 or CSS3. Some web programmer did the reverse and built the site only for IE. You could try the Linux Chrome browser, Chromium and see if you have better luck. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 1:28 AM To: Discussion concerning MS SQL Server; Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Linux and Firefox Hello All, Hope you do not mind me changing the subject on this discussion. Francisco mentions below that he uses Firefox on Linux. Over the weekend, I tried to book online for Dublin Airport car park using Linux and FF. However, the site informed me that they do not currently support this phone browser and to try a regular PC. Well I guess I can understand what caused that wrong message, but I was disappointed that I had to go upstairs to my windows machine. To gently tease the kids, I also took a printscreen of their old Windows desktop and set it as the desktop on the linux installation. Their heads were messed up because they could see the Windows icons, but still they were on linux :) Mark On 19 September 2011 00:09, Francisco Tapia wrote: > Another thing you can attempt is to setup a Linux virtual machine > that would prevent hackers from reaching your personal data directly. > I really won't surf the net on Internet explorer (any version). I only > use Firefox with noscript and on a Linux machine helps to obfuscate as > much direct contact as possible... > > Sent from my mobile > > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From marklbreen at gmail.com Mon Sep 19 17:46:58 2011 From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 23:46:58 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Linux and Firefox In-Reply-To: References: <027601cc76e4$9759fd60$c60df820$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: Hi Jim, Not sure what you mean by >MS Access comes to mind. Long live Open Source standards. do you mean that Access is slowing dying ? have I missed an elephant in the room? thanks Mark On 19 September 2011 21:22, Jim Lawrence wrote: > It appears that both Silverlight (what a waste of money if it was expected > to be a Flash replacement) and Flash, are on their way out. Adobe has even > created a new product called Edge, which will create Flash like browser > results but uses HTML5 and CSS3. (Free for download: > http://tinyurl.com/6adgd4t as they are looking for early adopters in the > developer's community.) > > You are going to run into these issues for a while as one product is being > phased out and being replaced by another. > > Android still supports Flash as Google is the proud owner of YouTube but a > replacement technology is in the works as so many Flash experts are also > migrating and want to have a solid alternative. > > There are now, many free Flash website designs, as companies are shedding > their stables of Flash inventory and are now using them as bait, to attract > potential clients to their sites. It will probably take 2 to 5 years before > Flash is finally gone. > > There is a general trend in the developer's community to not embrace a > closed standard, as if history is any indication, a person's career can be > jeopardized when a company decides to no longer support one of their > products and huge costs are incurred buying into a new closed technology, > starting with huge time waste, as well as poorer products, until sufficient > skill-sets have been obtained. > > MS Access comes to mind. Long live Open Source standards. > > Jim > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow > Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 8:56 AM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Linux and Firefox > > I get some pretty strange messages on my android tablet. One app, IIRC > Flash, would not download to my iPad because Apple does not support it. > Nice > slap in the face Adobe. First inferring that _I_ bought an iPad and second > suggesting that Apple has anything to say about Android. > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence > Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 8:44 AM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Linux and Firefox > > Hi Mark: > > That happens more frequently than you would guess. Many of my sites will > not > run on IE as the clients are unwilling to pay the extra dollars for the > extra coding necessary. It has not been until recently, that IE (IE9), has > supported HTML5 or CSS3. Some web programmer did the reverse and built the > site only for IE. > > You could try the Linux Chrome browser, Chromium and see if you have better > luck. > > Jim > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen > Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 1:28 AM > To: Discussion concerning MS SQL Server; Discussion of Hardware and > Software > issues > Subject: [dba-Tech] Linux and Firefox > > Hello All, > > Hope you do not mind me changing the subject on this discussion. > > Francisco mentions below that he uses Firefox on Linux. Over the weekend, > I > tried to book online for Dublin Airport car park using Linux and FF. > However, the site informed me that they do not currently support this > phone > browser and to try a regular PC. > > Well I guess I can understand what caused that wrong message, but I was > disappointed that I had to go upstairs to my windows machine. > > To gently tease the kids, I also took a printscreen of their old Windows > desktop and set it as the desktop on the linux installation. Their heads > were messed up because they could see the Windows icons, but still they > were > on linux :) > > Mark > > > On 19 September 2011 00:09, Francisco Tapia wrote: > > > Another thing you can attempt is to setup a Linux virtual machine > > that would prevent hackers from reaching your personal data directly. > > I really won't surf the net on Internet explorer (any version). I only > > use Firefox with noscript and on a Linux machine helps to obfuscate as > > much direct contact as possible... > > > > Sent from my mobile > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From marklbreen at gmail.com Mon Sep 19 17:47:39 2011 From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 23:47:39 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Linux and Firefox In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello Jim >You could try the Linux Chrome browser Good idea, I should have tried that. thanks Mark On 19 September 2011 14:44, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Hi Mark: > > That happens more frequently than you would guess. Many of my sites will > not > run on IE as the clients are unwilling to pay the extra dollars for the > extra coding necessary. It has not been until recently, that IE (IE9), has > supported HTML5 or CSS3. Some web programmer did the reverse and built the > site only for IE. > > You could try the Linux Chrome browser, Chromium and see if you have better > luck. > > Jim > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen > Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 1:28 AM > To: Discussion concerning MS SQL Server; Discussion of Hardware and > Software > issues > Subject: [dba-Tech] Linux and Firefox > > Hello All, > > Hope you do not mind me changing the subject on this discussion. > > Francisco mentions below that he uses Firefox on Linux. Over the weekend, > I > tried to book online for Dublin Airport car park using Linux and FF. > However, the site informed me that they do not currently support this > phone > browser and to try a regular PC. > > Well I guess I can understand what caused that wrong message, but I was > disappointed that I had to go upstairs to my windows machine. > > To gently tease the kids, I also took a printscreen of their old Windows > desktop and set it as the desktop on the linux installation. Their heads > were messed up because they could see the Windows icons, but still they > were > on linux :) > > Mark > > > On 19 September 2011 00:09, Francisco Tapia wrote: > > > Another thing you can attempt is to setup a Linux virtual machine > > that would prevent hackers from reaching your personal data directly. > > I really won't surf the net on Internet explorer (any version). I only > > use Firefox with noscript and on a Linux machine helps to obfuscate as > > much direct contact as possible... > > > > Sent from my mobile > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Sep 19 18:20:22 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 16:20:22 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Linux and Firefox In-Reply-To: <008201cc7713$66c80410$34580c30$@winhaven.net> References: <027601cc76e4$9759fd60$c60df820$@winhaven.net> <008201cc7713$66c80410$34580c30$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: <5CCC7F6BE3714D77819DE7E1520C9E79@creativesystemdesigns.com> You are absolutely right...that is the major problem...getting up to speed fast. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 2:31 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Linux and Firefox Yea, I've had Flash Professional for a couple of year snow but decided against using it. I think Silverlight is a better alternative but with CSS3 and HTML5 what's the point? Unfortunately it's the lag time that is the PITA for end users. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 3:22 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Linux and Firefox It appears that both Silverlight (what a waste of money if it was expected to be a Flash replacement) and Flash, are on their way out. Adobe has even created a new product called Edge, which will create Flash like browser results but uses HTML5 and CSS3. (Free for download: http://tinyurl.com/6adgd4t as they are looking for early adopters in the developer's community.) You are going to run into these issues for a while as one product is being phased out and being replaced by another. Android still supports Flash as Google is the proud owner of YouTube but a replacement technology is in the works as so many Flash experts are also migrating and want to have a solid alternative. There are now, many free Flash website designs, as companies are shedding their stables of Flash inventory and are now using them as bait, to attract potential clients to their sites. It will probably take 2 to 5 years before Flash is finally gone. There is a general trend in the developer's community to not embrace a closed standard, as if history is any indication, a person's career can be jeopardized when a company decides to no longer support one of their products and huge costs are incurred buying into a new closed technology, starting with huge time waste, as well as poorer products, until sufficient skill-sets have been obtained. MS Access comes to mind. Long live Open Source standards. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 8:56 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Linux and Firefox I get some pretty strange messages on my android tablet. One app, IIRC Flash, would not download to my iPad because Apple does not support it. Nice slap in the face Adobe. First inferring that _I_ bought an iPad and second suggesting that Apple has anything to say about Android. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 8:44 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Linux and Firefox Hi Mark: That happens more frequently than you would guess. Many of my sites will not run on IE as the clients are unwilling to pay the extra dollars for the extra coding necessary. It has not been until recently, that IE (IE9), has supported HTML5 or CSS3. Some web programmer did the reverse and built the site only for IE. You could try the Linux Chrome browser, Chromium and see if you have better luck. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 1:28 AM To: Discussion concerning MS SQL Server; Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Linux and Firefox Hello All, Hope you do not mind me changing the subject on this discussion. Francisco mentions below that he uses Firefox on Linux. Over the weekend, I tried to book online for Dublin Airport car park using Linux and FF. However, the site informed me that they do not currently support this phone browser and to try a regular PC. Well I guess I can understand what caused that wrong message, but I was disappointed that I had to go upstairs to my windows machine. To gently tease the kids, I also took a printscreen of their old Windows desktop and set it as the desktop on the linux installation. Their heads were messed up because they could see the Windows icons, but still they were on linux :) Mark On 19 September 2011 00:09, Francisco Tapia wrote: > Another thing you can attempt is to setup a Linux virtual machine > that would prevent hackers from reaching your personal data directly. > I really won't surf the net on Internet explorer (any version). I only > use Firefox with noscript and on a Linux machine helps to obfuscate as > much direct contact as possible... > > Sent from my mobile > > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Sep 19 18:22:23 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 16:22:23 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Linux and Firefox In-Reply-To: <4E77B60F.2030504@earthlink.net> References: <027601cc76e4$9759fd60$c60df820$@winhaven.net> <4E77B60F.2030504@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <9F044225C20D4D52BB65F0FA94228E09@creativesystemdesigns.com> Has anyone been playing with the new Adobe Edge product, yet. At first glance it looks impressive. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Peter Brawley Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 2:37 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Linux and Firefox On 9/19/2011 3:22 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > It appears that both Silverlight (what a waste of money if it was expected > to be a Flash replacement) and Flash, are on their way out. Six cheers! PB ----- > Adobe has even > created a new product called Edge, which will create Flash like browser > results but uses HTML5 and CSS3. (Free for download: > http://tinyurl.com/6adgd4t as they are looking for early adopters in the > developer's community.) > > You are going to run into these issues for a while as one product is being > phased out and being replaced by another. > > Android still supports Flash as Google is the proud owner of YouTube but a > replacement technology is in the works as so many Flash experts are also > migrating and want to have a solid alternative. > > There are now, many free Flash website designs, as companies are shedding > their stables of Flash inventory and are now using them as bait, to attract > potential clients to their sites. It will probably take 2 to 5 years before > Flash is finally gone. > > There is a general trend in the developer's community to not embrace a > closed standard, as if history is any indication, a person's career can be > jeopardized when a company decides to no longer support one of their > products and huge costs are incurred buying into a new closed technology, > starting with huge time waste, as well as poorer products, until sufficient > skill-sets have been obtained. > > MS Access comes to mind. Long live Open Source standards. > > Jim > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow > Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 8:56 AM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Linux and Firefox > > I get some pretty strange messages on my android tablet. One app, IIRC > Flash, would not download to my iPad because Apple does not support it. Nice > slap in the face Adobe. First inferring that _I_ bought an iPad and second > suggesting that Apple has anything to say about Android. > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence > Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 8:44 AM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Linux and Firefox > > Hi Mark: > > That happens more frequently than you would guess. Many of my sites will not > run on IE as the clients are unwilling to pay the extra dollars for the > extra coding necessary. It has not been until recently, that IE (IE9), has > supported HTML5 or CSS3. Some web programmer did the reverse and built the > site only for IE. > > You could try the Linux Chrome browser, Chromium and see if you have better > luck. > > Jim > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen > Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 1:28 AM > To: Discussion concerning MS SQL Server; Discussion of Hardware and Software > issues > Subject: [dba-Tech] Linux and Firefox > > Hello All, > > Hope you do not mind me changing the subject on this discussion. > > Francisco mentions below that he uses Firefox on Linux. Over the weekend, I > tried to book online for Dublin Airport car park using Linux and FF. > However, the site informed me that they do not currently support this phone > browser and to try a regular PC. > > Well I guess I can understand what caused that wrong message, but I was > disappointed that I had to go upstairs to my windows machine. > > To gently tease the kids, I also took a printscreen of their old Windows > desktop and set it as the desktop on the linux installation. Their heads > were messed up because they could see the Windows icons, but still they were > on linux :) > > Mark > > > On 19 September 2011 00:09, Francisco Tapia wrote: > >> Another thing you can attempt is to setup a Linux virtual machine >> that would prevent hackers from reaching your personal data directly. >> I really won't surf the net on Internet explorer (any version). I only >> use Firefox with noscript and on a Linux machine helps to obfuscate as >> much direct contact as possible... >> >> Sent from my mobile >> >> > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Sep 19 18:25:46 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 16:25:46 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Linux and Firefox In-Reply-To: <008801cc7716$ed7e6050$c87b20f0$@winhaven.net> References: <027601cc76e4$9759fd60$c60df820$@winhaven.net> <008801cc7716$ed7e6050$c87b20f0$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: <4E20F6F63D144225B155CC80CFE91FB2@creativesystemdesigns.com> Yeah...one of those problems. :-( Edge is supposed to resolve future issues not to support an unsupported desktop OS. ;-) (I would put Vista in the same category though.) Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 2:56 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Linux and Firefox BTW Edge only runs on Vista and W7 - no XP -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 3:22 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Linux and Firefox It appears that both Silverlight (what a waste of money if it was expected to be a Flash replacement) and Flash, are on their way out. Adobe has even created a new product called Edge, which will create Flash like browser results but uses HTML5 and CSS3. (Free for download: http://tinyurl.com/6adgd4t as they are looking for early adopters in the developer's community.) You are going to run into these issues for a while as one product is being phased out and being replaced by another. Android still supports Flash as Google is the proud owner of YouTube but a replacement technology is in the works as so many Flash experts are also migrating and want to have a solid alternative. There are now, many free Flash website designs, as companies are shedding their stables of Flash inventory and are now using them as bait, to attract potential clients to their sites. It will probably take 2 to 5 years before Flash is finally gone. There is a general trend in the developer's community to not embrace a closed standard, as if history is any indication, a person's career can be jeopardized when a company decides to no longer support one of their products and huge costs are incurred buying into a new closed technology, starting with huge time waste, as well as poorer products, until sufficient skill-sets have been obtained. MS Access comes to mind. Long live Open Source standards. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 8:56 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Linux and Firefox I get some pretty strange messages on my android tablet. One app, IIRC Flash, would not download to my iPad because Apple does not support it. Nice slap in the face Adobe. First inferring that _I_ bought an iPad and second suggesting that Apple has anything to say about Android. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 8:44 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Linux and Firefox Hi Mark: That happens more frequently than you would guess. Many of my sites will not run on IE as the clients are unwilling to pay the extra dollars for the extra coding necessary. It has not been until recently, that IE (IE9), has supported HTML5 or CSS3. Some web programmer did the reverse and built the site only for IE. You could try the Linux Chrome browser, Chromium and see if you have better luck. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 1:28 AM To: Discussion concerning MS SQL Server; Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Linux and Firefox Hello All, Hope you do not mind me changing the subject on this discussion. Francisco mentions below that he uses Firefox on Linux. Over the weekend, I tried to book online for Dublin Airport car park using Linux and FF. However, the site informed me that they do not currently support this phone browser and to try a regular PC. Well I guess I can understand what caused that wrong message, but I was disappointed that I had to go upstairs to my windows machine. To gently tease the kids, I also took a printscreen of their old Windows desktop and set it as the desktop on the linux installation. Their heads were messed up because they could see the Windows icons, but still they were on linux :) Mark On 19 September 2011 00:09, Francisco Tapia wrote: > Another thing you can attempt is to setup a Linux virtual machine > that would prevent hackers from reaching your personal data directly. > I really won't surf the net on Internet explorer (any version). I only > use Firefox with noscript and on a Linux machine helps to obfuscate as > much direct contact as possible... > > Sent from my mobile > > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Sep 19 18:31:31 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 16:31:31 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Linux and Firefox In-Reply-To: References: <027601cc76e4$9759fd60$c60df820$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: <4CB27C9477444F56B1B8A42CDFF7FA02@creativesystemdesigns.com> Hi Mark: MS Access will be around for a long time...but as a developer's product, its future is diminishing unless MS decides to change times. Right now Microsoft's main focus is internet applications and connecting desktop applications to the web. Current versions of Access do not comply with that direction nor does its programming language, VB, which is enjoying it last days...IMHO. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 3:47 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Linux and Firefox Hi Jim, Not sure what you mean by >MS Access comes to mind. Long live Open Source standards. do you mean that Access is slowing dying ? have I missed an elephant in the room? thanks Mark On 19 September 2011 21:22, Jim Lawrence wrote: > It appears that both Silverlight (what a waste of money if it was expected > to be a Flash replacement) and Flash, are on their way out. Adobe has even > created a new product called Edge, which will create Flash like browser > results but uses HTML5 and CSS3. (Free for download: > http://tinyurl.com/6adgd4t as they are looking for early adopters in the > developer's community.) > > You are going to run into these issues for a while as one product is being > phased out and being replaced by another. > > Android still supports Flash as Google is the proud owner of YouTube but a > replacement technology is in the works as so many Flash experts are also > migrating and want to have a solid alternative. > > There are now, many free Flash website designs, as companies are shedding > their stables of Flash inventory and are now using them as bait, to attract > potential clients to their sites. It will probably take 2 to 5 years before > Flash is finally gone. > > There is a general trend in the developer's community to not embrace a > closed standard, as if history is any indication, a person's career can be > jeopardized when a company decides to no longer support one of their > products and huge costs are incurred buying into a new closed technology, > starting with huge time waste, as well as poorer products, until sufficient > skill-sets have been obtained. > > MS Access comes to mind. Long live Open Source standards. > > Jim > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow > Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 8:56 AM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Linux and Firefox > > I get some pretty strange messages on my android tablet. One app, IIRC > Flash, would not download to my iPad because Apple does not support it. > Nice > slap in the face Adobe. First inferring that _I_ bought an iPad and second > suggesting that Apple has anything to say about Android. > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence > Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 8:44 AM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Linux and Firefox > > Hi Mark: > > That happens more frequently than you would guess. Many of my sites will > not > run on IE as the clients are unwilling to pay the extra dollars for the > extra coding necessary. It has not been until recently, that IE (IE9), has > supported HTML5 or CSS3. Some web programmer did the reverse and built the > site only for IE. > > You could try the Linux Chrome browser, Chromium and see if you have better > luck. > > Jim > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen > Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 1:28 AM > To: Discussion concerning MS SQL Server; Discussion of Hardware and > Software > issues > Subject: [dba-Tech] Linux and Firefox > > Hello All, > > Hope you do not mind me changing the subject on this discussion. > > Francisco mentions below that he uses Firefox on Linux. Over the weekend, > I > tried to book online for Dublin Airport car park using Linux and FF. > However, the site informed me that they do not currently support this > phone > browser and to try a regular PC. > > Well I guess I can understand what caused that wrong message, but I was > disappointed that I had to go upstairs to my windows machine. > > To gently tease the kids, I also took a printscreen of their old Windows > desktop and set it as the desktop on the linux installation. Their heads > were messed up because they could see the Windows icons, but still they > were > on linux :) > > Mark > > > On 19 September 2011 00:09, Francisco Tapia wrote: > > > Another thing you can attempt is to setup a Linux virtual machine > > that would prevent hackers from reaching your personal data directly. > > I really won't surf the net on Internet explorer (any version). I only > > use Firefox with noscript and on a Linux machine helps to obfuscate as > > much direct contact as possible... > > > > Sent from my mobile > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From john at winhaven.net Mon Sep 19 18:33:21 2011 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 18:33:21 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Linux and Firefox In-Reply-To: <4E20F6F63D144225B155CC80CFE91FB2@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <027601cc76e4$9759fd60$c60df820$@winhaven.net> <008801cc7716$ed7e6050$c87b20f0$@winhaven.net> <4E20F6F63D144225B155CC80CFE91FB2@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <00ab01cc7724$84dbd830$8e938890$@winhaven.net> Supporting Vista and not XP is rather shortsighted - unless Vista is supported just because the Win7 code works on it rather than special coding for it. I think Vista will virtually disappear long before XP. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 6:26 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Linux and Firefox Yeah...one of those problems. :-( Edge is supposed to resolve future issues not to support an unsupported desktop OS. ;-) (I would put Vista in the same category though.) Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 2:56 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Linux and Firefox BTW Edge only runs on Vista and W7 - no XP -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 3:22 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Linux and Firefox It appears that both Silverlight (what a waste of money if it was expected to be a Flash replacement) and Flash, are on their way out. Adobe has even created a new product called Edge, which will create Flash like browser results but uses HTML5 and CSS3. (Free for download: http://tinyurl.com/6adgd4t as they are looking for early adopters in the developer's community.) You are going to run into these issues for a while as one product is being phased out and being replaced by another. Android still supports Flash as Google is the proud owner of YouTube but a replacement technology is in the works as so many Flash experts are also migrating and want to have a solid alternative. There are now, many free Flash website designs, as companies are shedding their stables of Flash inventory and are now using them as bait, to attract potential clients to their sites. It will probably take 2 to 5 years before Flash is finally gone. There is a general trend in the developer's community to not embrace a closed standard, as if history is any indication, a person's career can be jeopardized when a company decides to no longer support one of their products and huge costs are incurred buying into a new closed technology, starting with huge time waste, as well as poorer products, until sufficient skill-sets have been obtained. MS Access comes to mind. Long live Open Source standards. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 8:56 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Linux and Firefox I get some pretty strange messages on my android tablet. One app, IIRC Flash, would not download to my iPad because Apple does not support it. Nice slap in the face Adobe. First inferring that _I_ bought an iPad and second suggesting that Apple has anything to say about Android. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 8:44 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Linux and Firefox Hi Mark: That happens more frequently than you would guess. Many of my sites will not run on IE as the clients are unwilling to pay the extra dollars for the extra coding necessary. It has not been until recently, that IE (IE9), has supported HTML5 or CSS3. Some web programmer did the reverse and built the site only for IE. You could try the Linux Chrome browser, Chromium and see if you have better luck. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 1:28 AM To: Discussion concerning MS SQL Server; Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Linux and Firefox Hello All, Hope you do not mind me changing the subject on this discussion. Francisco mentions below that he uses Firefox on Linux. Over the weekend, I tried to book online for Dublin Airport car park using Linux and FF. However, the site informed me that they do not currently support this phone browser and to try a regular PC. Well I guess I can understand what caused that wrong message, but I was disappointed that I had to go upstairs to my windows machine. To gently tease the kids, I also took a printscreen of their old Windows desktop and set it as the desktop on the linux installation. Their heads were messed up because they could see the Windows icons, but still they were on linux :) Mark On 19 September 2011 00:09, Francisco Tapia wrote: > Another thing you can attempt is to setup a Linux virtual machine > that would prevent hackers from reaching your personal data directly. > I really won't surf the net on Internet explorer (any version). I only > use Firefox with noscript and on a Linux machine helps to obfuscate as > much direct contact as possible... > > Sent from my mobile > > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From peter.brawley at earthlink.net Mon Sep 19 19:43:29 2011 From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 19:43:29 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Linux and Firefox In-Reply-To: References: <027601cc76e4$9759fd60$c60df820$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: <4E77E1B1.1060207@earthlink.net> On 9/19/2011 5:46 PM, Mark Breen wrote: > Hi Jim, > > Not sure what you mean by >> MS Access comes to mind. Long live Open Source standards. > do you mean that Access is slowing dying ? How do we speed that up? PB ----- > > have I missed an elephant in the room? > > thanks > Mark > > > > > > On 19 September 2011 21:22, Jim Lawrence wrote: > >> It appears that both Silverlight (what a waste of money if it was expected >> to be a Flash replacement) and Flash, are on their way out. Adobe has even >> created a new product called Edge, which will create Flash like browser >> results but uses HTML5 and CSS3. (Free for download: >> http://tinyurl.com/6adgd4t as they are looking for early adopters in the >> developer's community.) >> >> You are going to run into these issues for a while as one product is being >> phased out and being replaced by another. >> >> Android still supports Flash as Google is the proud owner of YouTube but a >> replacement technology is in the works as so many Flash experts are also >> migrating and want to have a solid alternative. >> >> There are now, many free Flash website designs, as companies are shedding >> their stables of Flash inventory and are now using them as bait, to attract >> potential clients to their sites. It will probably take 2 to 5 years before >> Flash is finally gone. >> >> There is a general trend in the developer's community to not embrace a >> closed standard, as if history is any indication, a person's career can be >> jeopardized when a company decides to no longer support one of their >> products and huge costs are incurred buying into a new closed technology, >> starting with huge time waste, as well as poorer products, until sufficient >> skill-sets have been obtained. >> >> MS Access comes to mind. Long live Open Source standards. >> >> Jim >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow >> Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 8:56 AM >> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' >> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Linux and Firefox >> >> I get some pretty strange messages on my android tablet. One app, IIRC >> Flash, would not download to my iPad because Apple does not support it. >> Nice >> slap in the face Adobe. First inferring that _I_ bought an iPad and second >> suggesting that Apple has anything to say about Android. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence >> Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 8:44 AM >> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' >> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Linux and Firefox >> >> Hi Mark: >> >> That happens more frequently than you would guess. Many of my sites will >> not >> run on IE as the clients are unwilling to pay the extra dollars for the >> extra coding necessary. It has not been until recently, that IE (IE9), has >> supported HTML5 or CSS3. Some web programmer did the reverse and built the >> site only for IE. >> >> You could try the Linux Chrome browser, Chromium and see if you have better >> luck. >> >> Jim >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen >> Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 1:28 AM >> To: Discussion concerning MS SQL Server; Discussion of Hardware and >> Software >> issues >> Subject: [dba-Tech] Linux and Firefox >> >> Hello All, >> >> Hope you do not mind me changing the subject on this discussion. >> >> Francisco mentions below that he uses Firefox on Linux. Over the weekend, >> I >> tried to book online for Dublin Airport car park using Linux and FF. >> However, the site informed me that they do not currently support this >> phone >> browser and to try a regular PC. >> >> Well I guess I can understand what caused that wrong message, but I was >> disappointed that I had to go upstairs to my windows machine. >> >> To gently tease the kids, I also took a printscreen of their old Windows >> desktop and set it as the desktop on the linux installation. Their heads >> were messed up because they could see the Windows icons, but still they >> were >> on linux :) >> >> Mark >> >> >> On 19 September 2011 00:09, Francisco Tapia wrote: >> >>> Another thing you can attempt is to setup a Linux virtual machine >>> that would prevent hackers from reaching your personal data directly. >>> I really won't surf the net on Internet explorer (any version). I only >>> use Firefox with noscript and on a Linux machine helps to obfuscate as >>> much direct contact as possible... >>> >>> Sent from my mobile >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Sep 19 22:02:44 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 20:02:44 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Linux and Firefox In-Reply-To: <00ab01cc7724$84dbd830$8e938890$@winhaven.net> References: <027601cc76e4$9759fd60$c60df820$@winhaven.net> <008801cc7716$ed7e6050$c87b20f0$@winhaven.net> <4E20F6F63D144225B155CC80CFE91FB2@creativesystemdesigns.com> <00ab01cc7724$84dbd830$8e938890$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: <0AF24348AE5041A084DD190134E4926C@creativesystemdesigns.com> You are preaching to the choir. ;-) Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 4:33 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Linux and Firefox Supporting Vista and not XP is rather shortsighted - unless Vista is supported just because the Win7 code works on it rather than special coding for it. I think Vista will virtually disappear long before XP. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 6:26 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Linux and Firefox Yeah...one of those problems. :-( Edge is supposed to resolve future issues not to support an unsupported desktop OS. ;-) (I would put Vista in the same category though.) Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 2:56 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Linux and Firefox BTW Edge only runs on Vista and W7 - no XP -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 3:22 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Linux and Firefox It appears that both Silverlight (what a waste of money if it was expected to be a Flash replacement) and Flash, are on their way out. Adobe has even created a new product called Edge, which will create Flash like browser results but uses HTML5 and CSS3. (Free for download: http://tinyurl.com/6adgd4t as they are looking for early adopters in the developer's community.) You are going to run into these issues for a while as one product is being phased out and being replaced by another. Android still supports Flash as Google is the proud owner of YouTube but a replacement technology is in the works as so many Flash experts are also migrating and want to have a solid alternative. There are now, many free Flash website designs, as companies are shedding their stables of Flash inventory and are now using them as bait, to attract potential clients to their sites. It will probably take 2 to 5 years before Flash is finally gone. There is a general trend in the developer's community to not embrace a closed standard, as if history is any indication, a person's career can be jeopardized when a company decides to no longer support one of their products and huge costs are incurred buying into a new closed technology, starting with huge time waste, as well as poorer products, until sufficient skill-sets have been obtained. MS Access comes to mind. Long live Open Source standards. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 8:56 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Linux and Firefox I get some pretty strange messages on my android tablet. One app, IIRC Flash, would not download to my iPad because Apple does not support it. Nice slap in the face Adobe. First inferring that _I_ bought an iPad and second suggesting that Apple has anything to say about Android. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 8:44 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Linux and Firefox Hi Mark: That happens more frequently than you would guess. Many of my sites will not run on IE as the clients are unwilling to pay the extra dollars for the extra coding necessary. It has not been until recently, that IE (IE9), has supported HTML5 or CSS3. Some web programmer did the reverse and built the site only for IE. You could try the Linux Chrome browser, Chromium and see if you have better luck. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 1:28 AM To: Discussion concerning MS SQL Server; Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Linux and Firefox Hello All, Hope you do not mind me changing the subject on this discussion. Francisco mentions below that he uses Firefox on Linux. Over the weekend, I tried to book online for Dublin Airport car park using Linux and FF. However, the site informed me that they do not currently support this phone browser and to try a regular PC. Well I guess I can understand what caused that wrong message, but I was disappointed that I had to go upstairs to my windows machine. To gently tease the kids, I also took a printscreen of their old Windows desktop and set it as the desktop on the linux installation. Their heads were messed up because they could see the Windows icons, but still they were on linux :) Mark On 19 September 2011 00:09, Francisco Tapia wrote: > Another thing you can attempt is to setup a Linux virtual machine > that would prevent hackers from reaching your personal data directly. > I really won't surf the net on Internet explorer (any version). I only > use Firefox with noscript and on a Linux machine helps to obfuscate as > much direct contact as possible... > > Sent from my mobile > > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Sep 19 22:13:06 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 20:13:06 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Linux and Firefox In-Reply-To: <4E77E1B1.1060207@earthlink.net> References: <027601cc76e4$9759fd60$c60df820$@winhaven.net> <4E77E1B1.1060207@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <793771AAD804439499B652219B529A6E@creativesystemdesigns.com> Exactly...slowly from lack of company support. Open Source Standards are great as a company can decide how much support to give to a certain standard through the tools they provide but if they loose interest there is always some other company there to continue support. (Example: the browser market) This is good for developers who can hold their skill set for 10 to 20 years and slowly evolve along with their chosen protocol. (There is always steady growth but no erratic turns and twists that can be punctuated with a sudden and final disappearance.) Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Peter Brawley Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 5:43 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Linux and Firefox On 9/19/2011 5:46 PM, Mark Breen wrote: > Hi Jim, > > Not sure what you mean by >> MS Access comes to mind. Long live Open Source standards. > do you mean that Access is slowing dying ? How do we speed that up? PB ----- > > have I missed an elephant in the room? > > thanks > Mark > > > > > > On 19 September 2011 21:22, Jim Lawrence wrote: > >> It appears that both Silverlight (what a waste of money if it was expected >> to be a Flash replacement) and Flash, are on their way out. Adobe has even >> created a new product called Edge, which will create Flash like browser >> results but uses HTML5 and CSS3. (Free for download: >> http://tinyurl.com/6adgd4t as they are looking for early adopters in the >> developer's community.) >> >> You are going to run into these issues for a while as one product is being >> phased out and being replaced by another. >> >> Android still supports Flash as Google is the proud owner of YouTube but a >> replacement technology is in the works as so many Flash experts are also >> migrating and want to have a solid alternative. >> >> There are now, many free Flash website designs, as companies are shedding >> their stables of Flash inventory and are now using them as bait, to attract >> potential clients to their sites. It will probably take 2 to 5 years before >> Flash is finally gone. >> >> There is a general trend in the developer's community to not embrace a >> closed standard, as if history is any indication, a person's career can be >> jeopardized when a company decides to no longer support one of their >> products and huge costs are incurred buying into a new closed technology, >> starting with huge time waste, as well as poorer products, until sufficient >> skill-sets have been obtained. >> >> MS Access comes to mind. Long live Open Source standards. >> >> Jim >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow >> Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 8:56 AM >> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' >> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Linux and Firefox >> >> I get some pretty strange messages on my android tablet. One app, IIRC >> Flash, would not download to my iPad because Apple does not support it. >> Nice >> slap in the face Adobe. First inferring that _I_ bought an iPad and second >> suggesting that Apple has anything to say about Android. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence >> Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 8:44 AM >> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' >> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Linux and Firefox >> >> Hi Mark: >> >> That happens more frequently than you would guess. Many of my sites will >> not >> run on IE as the clients are unwilling to pay the extra dollars for the >> extra coding necessary. It has not been until recently, that IE (IE9), has >> supported HTML5 or CSS3. Some web programmer did the reverse and built the >> site only for IE. >> >> You could try the Linux Chrome browser, Chromium and see if you have better >> luck. >> >> Jim >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen >> Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 1:28 AM >> To: Discussion concerning MS SQL Server; Discussion of Hardware and >> Software >> issues >> Subject: [dba-Tech] Linux and Firefox >> >> Hello All, >> >> Hope you do not mind me changing the subject on this discussion. >> >> Francisco mentions below that he uses Firefox on Linux. Over the weekend, >> I >> tried to book online for Dublin Airport car park using Linux and FF. >> However, the site informed me that they do not currently support this >> phone >> browser and to try a regular PC. >> >> Well I guess I can understand what caused that wrong message, but I was >> disappointed that I had to go upstairs to my windows machine. >> >> To gently tease the kids, I also took a printscreen of their old Windows >> desktop and set it as the desktop on the linux installation. Their heads >> were messed up because they could see the Windows icons, but still they >> were >> on linux :) >> >> Mark >> >> >> On 19 September 2011 00:09, Francisco Tapia wrote: >> >>> Another thing you can attempt is to setup a Linux virtual machine >>> that would prevent hackers from reaching your personal data directly. >>> I really won't surf the net on Internet explorer (any version). I only >>> use Firefox with noscript and on a Linux machine helps to obfuscate as >>> much direct contact as possible... >>> >>> Sent from my mobile >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Wed Sep 21 11:08:14 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 12:08:14 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] [AccessD] [dba-SQLServer] Oracle 11g EX (was: MySQL) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I guess that's why Larry gets to do his sailboat stuff. I refuse to be a party to his wealth-vacuum mechanism. Perhaps he has outgrown EST but still I do not trust this man. He has done very bad things to the world, IMO. And I shall not forget them, and if you want a list, I can happily provide same. This man is the opposite of Google: do no evil. Larry is into Do Evil wherever the opportunity arises. And, I have to admit, he is remarkably good at it. But it remains Evil, and I shall in my meager way fight him to the death of one of us -- given his resources, I expect that I shall lose this battle, but that's for the judges to decide. I am not quitting, just because his army is vastly larger than mine. Think several recent wars, USA v. Afghanistan, USSR v. Czechoslovakia. and many other examples. I am not trying to push some political principle here. This is emphatically the wrong place to do so. I intended to keep this on the track of SQL, but I guess that I strayed a little bit. I apologize for that, and I intend to return to the original subject. What are we to do about the significant software problems confronting the world-wide marketplace? All suggestions and ideas are most humbly welcomed and appreciated. Arfa A. From accessd at shaw.ca Wed Sep 21 13:57:14 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 11:57:14 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] [AccessD] [dba-SQLServer] Oracle 11g EX (was: MySQL) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Try to keep one step ahead with Open Source and/or Open Standard software. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2011 9:08 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] [AccessD] [dba-SQLServer] Oracle 11g EX (was: MySQL) I guess that's why Larry gets to do his sailboat stuff. I refuse to be a party to his wealth-vacuum mechanism. Perhaps he has outgrown EST but still I do not trust this man. He has done very bad things to the world, IMO. And I shall not forget them, and if you want a list, I can happily provide same. This man is the opposite of Google: do no evil. Larry is into Do Evil wherever the opportunity arises. And, I have to admit, he is remarkably good at it. But it remains Evil, and I shall in my meager way fight him to the death of one of us -- given his resources, I expect that I shall lose this battle, but that's for the judges to decide. I am not quitting, just because his army is vastly larger than mine. Think several recent wars, USA v. Afghanistan, USSR v. Czechoslovakia. and many other examples. I am not trying to push some political principle here. This is emphatically the wrong place to do so. I intended to keep this on the track of SQL, but I guess that I strayed a little bit. I apologize for that, and I intend to return to the original subject. What are we to do about the significant software problems confronting the world-wide marketplace? All suggestions and ideas are most humbly welcomed and appreciated. Arfa A. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Wed Sep 21 18:41:58 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 19:41:58 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Obama's take on taxation Message-ID: Assumption One: The people who have the money are the people to tax.Assumption Two: the people who have no money are not the ones to tax.Conjecture Number One: those who make their money due to not wages but rather interests, shall be granted a lovely grace. NO! What I want is that no matter how you make your money, be it wages or interests or whatever, this should all be taxed at the same rate. Income in= taxes out, end of story. And fork you, if you have some other opinion.I would even go furtther, in terms of a Wealth Tax, but i recognize that this one will probably not pass the wealthy people. What I want is equal distribution of the wealth, and to bail out the USA from its trrilian-dollars problems. Warren Buffet has the right idea, IMO. The serious problem is that those who have a job as opposed to those who have investments, are taxed differently, which guarantees that the rich stay rich and fork you all the rest of you. Well, that is not my definition of democracy. Yeah, I know this is not about Hardware and Software Issues but I cannot leave this unsaid. A. From john at winhaven.net Thu Sep 22 01:01:24 2011 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2011 01:01:24 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows Live Mail Message-ID: <015a01cc78ed$0f1246a0$2d36d3e0$@winhaven.net> Well, this is just great. If you delete an account in Windows Live Mail it just deletes all of your email. No warning or anything proper like that. Just boom! It's gone. Even Outlook Express wasn't that lame. John B From accessd at shaw.ca Thu Sep 22 01:18:49 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 23:18:49 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows Live Mail In-Reply-To: <015a01cc78ed$0f1246a0$2d36d3e0$@winhaven.net> References: <015a01cc78ed$0f1246a0$2d36d3e0$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: Bad programmer, bad programmer. Thanks for the toxic warning. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2011 11:01 PM To: DBA-Tech Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows Live Mail Well, this is just great. If you delete an account in Windows Live Mail it just deletes all of your email. No warning or anything proper like that. Just boom! It's gone. Even Outlook Express wasn't that lame. John B _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From djkr at msn.com Thu Sep 22 02:35:23 2011 From: djkr at msn.com (DJK (John) Robinson) Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2011 08:35:23 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows Live Mail In-Reply-To: <015a01cc78ed$0f1246a0$2d36d3e0$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: I must be missing something here (not being a Live Mail user). If your email is online, held within the account, then wouldn't you expect it to disappear with the account? John -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: 22 September 2011 07:01 To: DBA-Tech Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows Live Mail Well, this is just great. If you delete an account in Windows Live Mail it just deletes all of your email. No warning or anything proper like that. Just boom! It's gone. Even Outlook Express wasn't that lame. John B _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Gustav at cactus.dk Thu Sep 22 04:13:38 2011 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2011 11:13:38 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows Live Mail Message-ID: Hi John Except for the missing warning, that's what I would expect (haven't tried). Where should the orphaned mail go? /gustav >>> john at winhaven.net 22-09-2011 08:01 >>> Well, this is just great. If you delete an account in Windows Live Mail it just deletes all of your email. No warning or anything proper like that. Just boom! It's gone. Even Outlook Express wasn't that lame. John B From john at winhaven.net Thu Sep 22 12:01:22 2011 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2011 12:01:22 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows Live Mail In-Reply-To: References: <015a01cc78ed$0f1246a0$2d36d3e0$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: <000001cc7949$4180df00$c4829d00$@winhaven.net> This is the local version of Live Mail (Windows 7) - not the Hotmail look alike web based version of Live Mail. Once again confusion by MS marketing. Live Mail replaced Windows Mail (Vista) which replaced Outlook Express (XP and older). If Live Mail (local version) had all of its account's email stored online then I should be able to go online, log in and see my emails because that account is still there and working. But it isn't. So when you download email form the server it caches it in: \Users\username\AppData\Local\Microsoft\Windows Live Mail When you delete an account it deletes the related files holding the messages. There are ways to recover it but in my case I had deleted the account because it was no longer valid and had been replaced by a new account. In the older versions of MS's email programs you could just add in the new account and everything would work as before. Now it creates a whole new set of files for each account. You can then change the settings to use different store locations but you have to know that ahead of time. If someone uses account wizard they would never know this. So essentially what you have to do is first set up the new account. Then move all of your saved email messages, etc. to the new account folders and then delete the old account. Beware - if you are going to use Live Mail make sure you do some research on it first. Uhg, why didn't I just use Thunderbird? From accessd at shaw.ca Thu Sep 22 12:46:46 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2011 10:46:46 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows Live Mail In-Reply-To: <000001cc7949$4180df00$c4829d00$@winhaven.net> References: <015a01cc78ed$0f1246a0$2d36d3e0$@winhaven.net> <000001cc7949$4180df00$c4829d00$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: <354BD8229DC446398DFC291546D4E332@creativesystemdesigns.com> Or just use gmail... (?) Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 10:01 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows Live Mail This is the local version of Live Mail (Windows 7) - not the Hotmail look alike web based version of Live Mail. Once again confusion by MS marketing. Live Mail replaced Windows Mail (Vista) which replaced Outlook Express (XP and older). If Live Mail (local version) had all of its account's email stored online then I should be able to go online, log in and see my emails because that account is still there and working. But it isn't. So when you download email form the server it caches it in: \Users\username\AppData\Local\Microsoft\Windows Live Mail When you delete an account it deletes the related files holding the messages. There are ways to recover it but in my case I had deleted the account because it was no longer valid and had been replaced by a new account. In the older versions of MS's email programs you could just add in the new account and everything would work as before. Now it creates a whole new set of files for each account. You can then change the settings to use different store locations but you have to know that ahead of time. If someone uses account wizard they would never know this. So essentially what you have to do is first set up the new account. Then move all of your saved email messages, etc. to the new account folders and then delete the old account. Beware - if you are going to use Live Mail make sure you do some research on it first. Uhg, why didn't I just use Thunderbird? _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From john at winhaven.net Thu Sep 22 13:49:09 2011 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2011 13:49:09 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows Live Mail In-Reply-To: <354BD8229DC446398DFC291546D4E332@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <015a01cc78ed$0f1246a0$2d36d3e0$@winhaven.net> <000001cc7949$4180df00$c4829d00$@winhaven.net> <354BD8229DC446398DFC291546D4E332@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <005b01cc7958$507a3150$f16e93f0$@winhaven.net> Gmail's lack of "folders" freaks a lot of people out for some reason. And a lot of my clients want local email. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 12:47 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows Live Mail Or just use gmail... (?) Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 10:01 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows Live Mail This is the local version of Live Mail (Windows 7) - not the Hotmail look alike web based version of Live Mail. Once again confusion by MS marketing. Live Mail replaced Windows Mail (Vista) which replaced Outlook Express (XP and older). If Live Mail (local version) had all of its account's email stored online then I should be able to go online, log in and see my emails because that account is still there and working. But it isn't. So when you download email form the server it caches it in: \Users\username\AppData\Local\Microsoft\Windows Live Mail When you delete an account it deletes the related files holding the messages. There are ways to recover it but in my case I had deleted the account because it was no longer valid and had been replaced by a new account. In the older versions of MS's email programs you could just add in the new account and everything would work as before. Now it creates a whole new set of files for each account. You can then change the settings to use different store locations but you have to know that ahead of time. If someone uses account wizard they would never know this. So essentially what you have to do is first set up the new account. Then move all of your saved email messages, etc. to the new account folders and then delete the old account. Beware - if you are going to use Live Mail make sure you do some research on it first. Uhg, why didn't I just use Thunderbird? _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Thu Sep 22 16:51:06 2011 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2011 07:51:06 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows Live Mail In-Reply-To: <005b01cc7958$507a3150$f16e93f0$@winhaven.net> References: <015a01cc78ed$0f1246a0$2d36d3e0$@winhaven.net>, <354BD8229DC446398DFC291546D4E332@creativesystemdesigns.com>, <005b01cc7958$507a3150$f16e93f0$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: <4E7BADCA.4867.903362B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Pegasus Mail? On 22 Sep 2011 at 13:49, John Bartow wrote: > Gmail's lack of "folders" freaks a lot of people out for some reason. > And a lot of my clients want local email. > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim > Lawrence Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 12:47 PM To: 'Discussion > of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows Live > Mail > > Or just use gmail... (?) > > Jim > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John > Bartow Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 10:01 AM To: 'Discussion of > Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows Live > Mail > > This is the local version of Live Mail (Windows 7) - not the Hotmail > look alike web based version of Live Mail. Once again confusion by MS > marketing. Live Mail replaced Windows Mail (Vista) which replaced > Outlook Express (XP and older). > > If Live Mail (local version) had all of its account's email stored > online then I should be able to go online, log in and see my emails > because that account is still there and working. But it isn't. So when > you download email form the server it caches it in: > \Users\username\AppData\Local\Microsoft\Windows Live Mail > > When you delete an account it deletes the related files holding the > messages. There are ways to recover it but in my case I had deleted > the account because it was no longer valid and had been replaced by a > new account. In the older versions of MS's email programs you could > just add in the new account and everything would work as before. Now > it creates a whole new set of files for each account. You can then > change the settings to use different store locations but you have to > know that ahead of time. If someone uses account wizard they would > never know this. So essentially what you have to do is first set up > the new account. Then move all of your saved email messages, etc. to > the new account folders and then delete the old account. > > Beware - if you are going to use Live Mail make sure you do some > research on it first. > > Uhg, why didn't I just use Thunderbird? > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From accessd at shaw.ca Thu Sep 22 16:52:40 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2011 14:52:40 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows Live Mail In-Reply-To: <005b01cc7958$507a3150$f16e93f0$@winhaven.net> References: <015a01cc78ed$0f1246a0$2d36d3e0$@winhaven.net> <000001cc7949$4180df00$c4829d00$@winhaven.net> <354BD8229DC446398DFC291546D4E332@creativesystemdesigns.com> <005b01cc7958$507a3150$f16e93f0$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: <75567966EBCC421CB3C27E79F6EC6056@creativesystemdesigns.com> Seeing Windows Live Mail is doing odd things that would leave Thunderbird. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 11:49 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows Live Mail Gmail's lack of "folders" freaks a lot of people out for some reason. And a lot of my clients want local email. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 12:47 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows Live Mail Or just use gmail... (?) Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 10:01 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows Live Mail This is the local version of Live Mail (Windows 7) - not the Hotmail look alike web based version of Live Mail. Once again confusion by MS marketing. Live Mail replaced Windows Mail (Vista) which replaced Outlook Express (XP and older). If Live Mail (local version) had all of its account's email stored online then I should be able to go online, log in and see my emails because that account is still there and working. But it isn't. So when you download email form the server it caches it in: \Users\username\AppData\Local\Microsoft\Windows Live Mail When you delete an account it deletes the related files holding the messages. There are ways to recover it but in my case I had deleted the account because it was no longer valid and had been replaced by a new account. In the older versions of MS's email programs you could just add in the new account and everything would work as before. Now it creates a whole new set of files for each account. You can then change the settings to use different store locations but you have to know that ahead of time. If someone uses account wizard they would never know this. So essentially what you have to do is first set up the new account. Then move all of your saved email messages, etc. to the new account folders and then delete the old account. Beware - if you are going to use Live Mail make sure you do some research on it first. Uhg, why didn't I just use Thunderbird? _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Thu Sep 22 20:19:53 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2011 18:19:53 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Open Source Cloud In-Reply-To: <000001cc7949$4180df00$c4829d00$@winhaven.net> References: <015a01cc78ed$0f1246a0$2d36d3e0$@winhaven.net> <000001cc7949$4180df00$c4829d00$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: <8006FA011228414CA042F947B0D1070F@creativesystemdesigns.com> The Open Source Cloud is here and another homerun for the Open Source community. OpenStack Diablo is a Quantum Leap for Open Source Cloud. OpenStack has been criticized by some as "the consortium of people who can't figure out how to compete with Amazon Web Services on their own." Well, they are half-right. http://www.readwriteweb.com/cloud/2011/09/openstack-diablo-is-a-quantum.php Now all those who wanted to dabble and expand their knowledge into the Cloud have a low cost place to start. Here is a perfect place to run a small (or large) set of travelling applications from; imaging, backups, structure data storage, user access control, etc. To download to your (Ubuntu) Linux (virtual) server: http://www.openstack.org/projects/compute/ Jim From Gustav at cactus.dk Fri Sep 23 01:19:29 2011 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2011 08:19:29 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows Live Mail Message-ID: Hi John OK, that explains. Thanks for the info. And you are right: GMail is not the answer to everyone's need. /gustav >>> john at winhaven.net 22-09-2011 19:01 >>> This is the local version of Live Mail (Windows 7) - not the Hotmail look alike web based version of Live Mail. Once again confusion by MS marketing. Live Mail replaced Windows Mail (Vista) which replaced Outlook Express (XP and older). If Live Mail (local version) had all of its account's email stored online then I should be able to go online, log in and see my emails because that account is still there and working. But it isn't. So when you download email form the server it caches it in: \Users\username\AppData\Local\Microsoft\Windows Live Mail When you delete an account it deletes the related files holding the messages. There are ways to recover it but in my case I had deleted the account because it was no longer valid and had been replaced by a new account. In the older versions of MS's email programs you could just add in the new account and everything would work as before. Now it creates a whole new set of files for each account. You can then change the settings to use different store locations but you have to know that ahead of time. If someone uses account wizard they would never know this. So essentially what you have to do is first set up the new account. Then move all of your saved email messages, etc. to the new account folders and then delete the old account. Beware - if you are going to use Live Mail make sure you do some research on it first. Uhg, why didn't I just use Thunderbird? From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sun Sep 25 17:38:31 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2011 18:38:31 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] One more reason to stay away from FaceBook Message-ID: The company tracks the pages you visit even after you log off its site. http://www.linkedin.com/news?actionBar=&articleID=796744400&ids=cj8OdjoRdzATb30Md3gQdPoVdOMNdjgNdzsSejsIcjcNcPcRdzAT&aag=true&freq=weekly&trk=eml-tod-b-ttle-4&ut=1ymYy0KASbXkU1 A. From hans.andersen at phulse.com Sun Sep 25 19:48:39 2011 From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen) Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2011 17:48:39 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] One more reason to stay away from FaceBook In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Very very bad. I wouldn't even be surprised if companies like Facebook and so forth are going to start using techniques like evercookie. Pretty ridiculous that I feel more and more compelled to surf using privacy mode by default. Hans-Christian Andersen On 25 Sep 2011, at 15:38, Arthur Fuller wrote: > The company tracks the pages you visit even after you log off its site. > > http://www.linkedin.com/news?actionBar=&articleID=796744400&ids=cj8OdjoRdzATb30Md3gQdPoVdOMNdjgNdzsSejsIcjcNcPcRdzAT&aag=true&freq=weekly&trk=eml-tod-b-ttle-4&ut=1ymYy0KASbXkU1 > > A. > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From marklbreen at gmail.com Mon Sep 26 04:44:27 2011 From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen) Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 10:44:27 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Stored passwords Message-ID: Hello All, Just thought I would share an experience with you. My brother (the security guy) dropped in on Friday morning. I was working, building a pc at another desk and not using my own machine. He asked if he could check his email. I said work away. Ten seconds later, he started calling out a bunch of my passwords that I use for various services, websites etc. Of course some of them overlap and are the same passwords. Can you guess how he did it? In Chrome you click the wrench, personal stuff and manage saved passwords. in FF you click Tools options, privacy and saved passwords probably IE has it also, but who uses that ! No encryption, no hashing, just passwords in clear text. So if someone gains access to your machine, you better hope you only have saved your low security passwords in your browser. Can you be 100% sure you did not accidentally save one of your important passwords? Can you be sure you will not do so in the future. remember to check all browsers on your machine. It was quite surprising to hear Stephen simply shout out my passwords like that, within 10 seconds of sitting down. Mark From fuller.artful at gmail.com Tue Sep 27 16:42:20 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2011 17:42:20 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] RAM Terminology Message-ID: I'm shopping on eBay for some additional RAM for a computer that allows only DDR1 (I can't afford a new motherboard as well). There's plenty to choose from there and the prices are better than the local stores charge, but before I take the leap, I'd like to clear up some terminology that I don't understand: - low-desity RAM (a few listings say this) - high-density RAM (only one mentions this) - (M368L2923DUN-C?CC) for Desktop RAM (only one mentions this) - Non ECC (only a few mention this) - CL3 (a few mention this) I don't need a detailed thesis, just some guidelines. Is high-density better than low, or vice-versa? If neither is mentioned, does that imply the rest are "medium" density? The RAM I already have is 400Mz and nobody seems to offer higher, so I'll stick with that. TIA, Arthur From djkr at msn.com Tue Sep 27 17:11:50 2011 From: djkr at msn.com (DJK (John) Robinson) Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2011 23:11:50 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] RAM Terminology In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <31C83066F15246E9A98E2AB3785A30B2@dabsight> Hi Arthur Here's my 2c. Go to the Crucial website www.crucial.com - from the system in question. Use the Crucial System Scanner Tool to "Scan My Computer". Allow and run the download. *Nearly* always, it will identify your motherboard accurately, together with what RAM is installed and what empty slots you have. You probably already know all this so far, *but* crucially(!) it tells you what kinds of RAM are compatible, whether ECC or not, CLs, PCxy00s, DDRz00s, etc etc, and *guarantees* compatibility. Of course you don't have to buy from Crucial. HTH John -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: 27 September 2011 22:42 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] RAM Terminology I'm shopping on eBay for some additional RAM for a computer that allows only DDR1 (I can't afford a new motherboard as well). There's plenty to choose from there and the prices are better than the local stores charge, but before I take the leap, I'd like to clear up some terminology that I don't understand: - low-desity RAM (a few listings say this) - high-density RAM (only one mentions this) - (M368L2923DUN-C?CC) for Desktop RAM (only one mentions this) - Non ECC (only a few mention this) - CL3 (a few mention this) I don't need a detailed thesis, just some guidelines. Is high-density better than low, or vice-versa? If neither is mentioned, does that imply the rest are "medium" density? The RAM I already have is 400Mz and nobody seems to offer higher, so I'll stick with that. TIA, Arthur _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From john at winhaven.net Tue Sep 27 17:37:22 2011 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2011 17:37:22 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] RAM Terminology In-Reply-To: <31C83066F15246E9A98E2AB3785A30B2@dabsight> References: <31C83066F15246E9A98E2AB3785A30B2@dabsight> Message-ID: <01d101cc7d66$05e9db10$11bd9130$@winhaven.net> Good advice - it's what I do for everything I work on. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of DJK (John) Robinson Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 5:12 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] RAM Terminology Hi Arthur Here's my 2c. Go to the Crucial website www.crucial.com - from the system in question. Use the Crucial System Scanner Tool to "Scan My Computer". Allow and run the download. *Nearly* always, it will identify your motherboard accurately, together with what RAM is installed and what empty slots you have. You probably already know all this so far, *but* crucially(!) it tells you what kinds of RAM are compatible, whether ECC or not, CLs, PCxy00s, DDRz00s, etc etc, and *guarantees* compatibility. Of course you don't have to buy from Crucial. HTH John -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: 27 September 2011 22:42 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] RAM Terminology I'm shopping on eBay for some additional RAM for a computer that allows only DDR1 (I can't afford a new motherboard as well). There's plenty to choose from there and the prices are better than the local stores charge, but before I take the leap, I'd like to clear up some terminology that I don't understand: - low-desity RAM (a few listings say this) - high-density RAM (only one mentions this) - (M368L2923DUN-C?CC) for Desktop RAM (only one mentions this) - Non ECC (only a few mention this) - CL3 (a few mention this) I don't need a detailed thesis, just some guidelines. Is high-density better than low, or vice-versa? If neither is mentioned, does that imply the rest are "medium" density? The RAM I already have is 400Mz and nobody seems to offer higher, so I'll stick with that. TIA, Arthur _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Tue Sep 27 17:38:53 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2011 18:38:53 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] RAM Terminology In-Reply-To: <31C83066F15246E9A98E2AB3785A30B2@dabsight> References: <31C83066F15246E9A98E2AB3785A30B2@dabsight> Message-ID: Ah! Thanks for this. I'll run it right now. A. From fuller.artful at gmail.com Tue Sep 27 18:00:56 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2011 19:00:56 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] RAM Terminology In-Reply-To: References: <31C83066F15246E9A98E2AB3785A30B2@dabsight> Message-ID: It worked a treat. Now I know exactly what to buy. A. On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 6:38 PM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > Ah! Thanks for this. I'll run it right now. > A. > > > From djkr at msn.com Tue Sep 27 18:10:50 2011 From: djkr at msn.com (DJK (John) Robinson) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2011 00:10:50 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] RAM Terminology In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Great! (I've even used it to identify the motherboard in a PC built a long time ago - by me - no need to grovel with screwdriver ...) John -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: 28 September 2011 00:01 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] RAM Terminology It worked a treat. Now I know exactly what to buy. A. On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 6:38 PM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > Ah! Thanks for this. I'll run it right now. > A. > > > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From john at winhaven.net Wed Sep 28 09:20:15 2011 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2011 09:20:15 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] RAM Terminology In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000f01cc7de9$bdd5a910$3980fb30$@winhaven.net> Same here. It's been about 98% accurate for me since I've started using it - which has to be close to the time it was first released. There are plenty of other little utilities that will inventory you hardware but Crucial's scanner is so easy to use, is kept up to date with newer technologies and gives you a price list when you're done. Sometimes I order directly from them but generally I order Crucial's memory direct from my supplier which is less expensive and faster delivery. There are cheaper brands but I've had some issues in the past with the low end RAM. It's usually not a big enough cost difference to justify the risk IMO. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of DJK (John) Robinson Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 6:11 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] RAM Terminology Great! (I've even used it to identify the motherboard in a PC built a long time ago - by me - no need to grovel with screwdriver ...) John -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: 28 September 2011 00:01 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] RAM Terminology It worked a treat. Now I know exactly what to buy. A. On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 6:38 PM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > Ah! Thanks for this. I'll run it right now. > A. > > > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Wed Sep 28 16:02:50 2011 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 07:02:50 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] RAM Terminology In-Reply-To: <000f01cc7de9$bdd5a910$3980fb30$@winhaven.net> References: , , <000f01cc7de9$bdd5a910$3980fb30$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: <4E838B7A.31099.27BD2990@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> It told me that my laptop took a maximum of 2GB of RAM and would only show up to 1GB chips. It did however recognise that I have 4GB of RAM in it. ( 2 x 2GB chips) -- Stuart On 28 Sep 2011 at 9:20, John Bartow wrote: > Same here. It's been about 98% accurate for me since I've started > using it - which has to be close to the time it was first released. > There are plenty of other little utilities that will inventory you > hardware but Crucial's scanner is so easy to use, is kept up to date > with newer technologies and gives you a price list when you're done. > Sometimes I order directly from them but generally I order Crucial's > memory direct from my supplier which is less expensive and faster > delivery. There are cheaper brands but I've had some issues in the > past with the low end RAM. It's usually not a big enough cost > difference to justify the risk IMO. > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of DJK (John) > Robinson Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 6:11 PM To: 'Discussion of > Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] RAM Terminology > > Great! > > (I've even used it to identify the motherboard in a PC built a long > time ago - by me - no need to grovel with screwdriver ...) > > John > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur > Fuller Sent: 28 September 2011 00:01 To: Discussion of Hardware and > Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] RAM Terminology > > > It worked a treat. Now I know exactly what to buy. > A. > > On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 6:38 PM, Arthur Fuller > wrote: > > > Ah! Thanks for this. I'll run it right now. > > A. > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From john at winhaven.net Wed Sep 28 16:16:50 2011 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2011 16:16:50 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] RAM Terminology In-Reply-To: <4E838B7A.31099.27BD2990@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: , , <000f01cc7de9$bdd5a910$3980fb30$@winhaven.net> <4E838B7A.31099.27BD2990@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <016c01cc7e23$f03fa600$d0bef200$@winhaven.net> I've had that problem a couple of times and once it couldn't recognize a motherboard. It's not perfect but quite good. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2011 4:03 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] RAM Terminology It told me that my laptop took a maximum of 2GB of RAM and would only show up to 1GB chips. It did however recognise that I have 4GB of RAM in it. ( 2 x 2GB chips) -- Stuart On 28 Sep 2011 at 9:20, John Bartow wrote: > Same here. It's been about 98% accurate for me since I've started > using it - which has to be close to the time it was first released. > There are plenty of other little utilities that will inventory you > hardware but Crucial's scanner is so easy to use, is kept up to date > with newer technologies and gives you a price list when you're done. > Sometimes I order directly from them but generally I order Crucial's > memory direct from my supplier which is less expensive and faster > delivery. There are cheaper brands but I've had some issues in the > past with the low end RAM. It's usually not a big enough cost > difference to justify the risk IMO. > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of DJK (John) > Robinson Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 6:11 PM To: 'Discussion of > Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] RAM Terminology > > Great! > > (I've even used it to identify the motherboard in a PC built a long > time ago - by me - no need to grovel with screwdriver ...) > > John > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur > Fuller Sent: 28 September 2011 00:01 To: Discussion of Hardware and > Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] RAM Terminology > > > It worked a treat. Now I know exactly what to buy. > A. > > On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 6:38 PM, Arthur Fuller > wrote: > > > Ah! Thanks for this. I'll run it right now. > > A. > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Thu Sep 29 10:33:22 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 11:33:22 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Predatory Marketing 101: NetFlix.ca Message-ID: Attention, all Canadians: Stay far, far away from netflix.ca. It pales in comparison to netflix.com(its parent, with 100* as many titles available) and it also exhibits predatory marketing, which disgusts me. The old (and I thought banned) practise of "Include me in". I signed on for a free trial month at netflix.ca, and during said month all I did was browse the available movies, downloaded none, previewed none, deemed the service as a total failure, and left it at that. Suddenly this morning I get an email bill for October! I didn't do shit in September, so I'm expected to fork over $7.99 for October? To make matters worse, I have apparently already forked it over, via my PayPal account. I'm going to fight this in every available way: emails to Jian Gomeshi, letters to the newspapers, broadcasts to every eGroup to which I belong, and potentially, should I accrue enough victims, a class-action lawsuit. These fuckers have NO right to such business practises. I thought they were outlawed a couple of decades ago, in the cable-tv era. Perhaps I am right, which reinforces the strength of said potential class-action suit, or perhaps I am wrong, in which case the path is toward a change in the law which forbids such automatic inclusions, and demands instead an email (at least) from the vendor and a reply from the potential customer, who did nothing more than a 30-day trial. Effective today, I have officially cancelled my alleged membership in netflix.ca, so they won't ding me again, but I'm still out the $7.99 for October. And although that's an argue-for-peanuts strategem, multiply me by the number of people who fell (and may in future fall) for this trap, and suddenly we're talking about millions of dollars, scooped from unwary customers. This SUCKS! Anyone similarly victimized by this evil company is invited to reply to me off-list. I will gather the names and try to accumulate enough of same to launch a class-action suit. Arthur From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Fri Sep 30 08:25:04 2011 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2011 06:25:04 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] OT Friday - Calculus Problem Message-ID: Dear Lists: My son has a calc test today and has a problem he doesn't understand. I can't help him with it. Anyone remember how to do this? Position function is s(t) = -4.9t**2 +200 which gives the height in meters of an object that is falling from a height of 200 meters. The velocity at time t = as seconds is given by: lim(t-->a) = ((s(a)-s(t)) / (a-t) FInd the velocity of the object when t=4. The answer in -39.2 m/sec. How is that derived? MTIA Rocky From john at winhaven.net Fri Sep 30 12:21:13 2011 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2011 12:21:13 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] For those who claim religion never changes Message-ID: <01cd01cc7f95$5b5fa030$121ee090$@winhaven.net> Dead wrong: Catholics must no longer support capital punishment Sep. 30, 2011 Article Details By Carol Glatz Catholic News Service VATICAN CITY -- The Catholic Church's position on capital punishment has evolved considerably over the centuries. And as a result, "it is not a message that is immediately understood -- that there is no room for supporting the death penalty in today's world," said a Vatican's expert on capital punishment and arms control. Because the church has only in the past few decades begun closing the window -- if not shutting it completely -- on the permissibility of the death penalty, people who give just a partial reading of the church's teachings may still think the death penalty is acceptable today, said Tommaso Di Ruzza, desk officer at the Pontifical Council for Justice and Peace. St. Thomas Aquinas equated a dangerous criminal to an infected limb thereby making it "praiseworthy and healthful" to kill the criminal in order to spare the spread of infection and safeguard the common good. However, over the centuries, justice has evolved from being the smiting arm of revenge toward a striving for reform and restoration, much like today's medical science, where amputation is no longer the only recourse for curing an infection. Modern-day popes have reflected that change in attitude. As far back as the 19th and early 20th centuries theologians pondered the seeming paradox between the Fifth Commandment, "You shall not kill," and the church's dark history of condoning state-held executions to deal with heresy and other threats and crimes. Pope Paul VI took concrete action in distancing the church from this form of punishment, first by formally banning the use of the death penalty in Vatican City State, although no one had been executed under the authority of the Vatican's temporal governance since 1870. Pope Paul also spoke publicly against planned executions and called for clemency for death-row inmates. Pope John Paul II also would punctuate his Angelus and general audience talks with impassioned appeals to spare the life of a prisoner on the verge of execution. It was the Polish pope who "earnestly hoped and prayed" for a global moratorium on the use of capital punishment and the abolition of the death penalty worldwide. Pope Benedict, too, continues to send appeals for clemency in high-profile cases via telegrams either through a country's bishops or nuncio, and he has praised a U.N. resolution calling upon states to institute a moratorium on the use of the death penalty. The 1992 Catechism of the Catholic Church recognized "as well-founded the right and duty of legitimate public authority to punish malefactors by means of penalties commensurate with the gravity of the crime, not excluding, in cases of extreme gravity, the death penalty." At the same time, it said, "bloodless means" that could protect human life should be used when possible. The "extreme gravity" loophole was tightened with changes made in 1997, which reflected the pope's 1995 encyclical, "Evangelium Vitae." It specifies that the use of the death penalty is allowed only when the identity and responsibility of the condemned is certain and if capital punishment "is the only possible way of effectively defending human lives against the unjust aggressor." However, given the resources and possibilities available to governments today for restraining criminals, "cases of the absolute necessity of the suppression of the offender 'are very rare, if not practically nonexistent,'" it says. Pope Benedict, then-Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, had a major role in drafting the 1992 Catechism and, especially, its 1997 revised passages. When he told journalists about the changes in 1997, he said while the principles do not absolutely exclude capital punishment, they do give "very severe or limited criteria for its moral use." "It seems to me it would be very difficult to meet the conditions today," he had said. When a journalist said the majority of Catholics in the United States favor use of the death penalty, Cardinal Ratzinger said, "While it is important to know the thoughts of the faithful, doctrine is not made according to statistics, but according to objective criteria taking into account progress made in the church's thought on the issue." Di Ruzza said the divergence of many Catholics in the United States from the church's current position is a sign that "the universal church must also accompany the particular churches a little bit" and help guide them on this "journey of purification," which is more a process of "maturity rather than a revolution or change in tradition." Without reading Popes John Paul and Benedict's clear condemnations of the death penalty, the catechism will "unfortunately have the risk of being ambiguous or taken out of context," he said. The church upholds the inherent dignity of all human beings, even the most sin-filled, and believes in hope, conversion and mercy, he said. There is always room for conversion, he said, and forgiveness does not mean being naive about the real evil the human being is capable of committing. The death penalty does not solve much; a victim still feels loss and crime is not deterred, he said. Communities must strive to promote the common good, and it's dubious "that you can kill someone for the good of all," he said. "The beauty of forgiveness must also be truly discovered; it's this that saves us," said Di Ruzza. Otherwise, "by killing the just or the unjust without understanding that they have dignity, we will find ourselves after 2,000 years in the same courtyard shouting, 'Kill him!,' like they did with Jesus." "God forgave us. He did not call us to death. Jesus let us overcome death" so as to more fully embrace life, he said. From john at winhaven.net Fri Sep 30 13:26:53 2011 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2011 13:26:53 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] For those who claim religion never changes In-Reply-To: <01cd01cc7f95$5b5fa030$121ee090$@winhaven.net> References: <01cd01cc7f95$5b5fa030$121ee090$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: <01e201cc7f9e$87500370$95f00a50$@winhaven.net> Sorry wrong list :-P From tinanfields at torchlake.com Thu Sep 1 09:56:13 2011 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Thu, 01 Sep 2011 10:56:13 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: Jack Layton In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4E5F9D0D.1000507@torchlake.com> Arthur, Thank you for sharing this. A great man, indeed! T Tina Norris Fields tinanfields at torchlake.com 231-322-2787 On 8/27/2011 3:08 PM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > This week, a man died of cancer in Canada. His name was Jack Layton. He was > Leader of the Opposition in parliament, head of the New Democratic Party, > and a galvanizing force in Canadian politics and political life. About 30 > years ago, when Jack was a City Councillor in Toronto, I wrote the first > version of his campaign-management software, later to be shared with Olivia > Chow, who would soon become his wife. In step with his successes, we went on > to develop several subsequent versions. Each time the software got better, > and I like to think that it played some small part in his success. > > Jack is the first person in Canadian history who is not a prime minister or > cabinet minister to be given a state funeral. It's occurring as I write > this. He has so many achievements that it's hard to know where to begin. He > was the first to embrace gay rights, green city culture, he invented the > White Ribbon HIV-AIDS campaign. campaigned for bicycle-culture (he rode his > bicycle to work even in the dead of winter; I remember him saying that if > you dress for it, you can bicycle even in Toronto winters). He was > tri-lingual (he was born in Quebec and so learned English and French when he > was young, and later on learned Cantonese from his wife Olivia Chow). He had > several remarkable and unique characteristics, notable among them his > open-door policy. I know this because I was frequently there working on his > computer, adding reports etc. while people walked in and told him of their > problems and complaints -- and he acted on them. > > In this week of his death, it is astonishing how many thousands of people > are weeping openly at his loss. Even those who don't share his political > views are weeping. One thing everyone of every political stripe can say is > that Jack never argued ad hominem (against the man), but always stuck to the > issues: poverty, homelessness, gay rights, green economics. > > Such was his measure that even the prime minister of Australia flew halfway > around the world to attend Jack's funeral == not to mention thousands of > Torontonians and others who came to pay their respects and honour a man. > > Rest in peace, Jack. You will be missed by Canadians of every political > stripe. > > Arthur > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From fuller.artful at gmail.com Thu Sep 1 12:27:09 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2011 13:27:09 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: Jack Layton In-Reply-To: <4E5F9D0D.1000507@torchlake.com> References: <4E5F9D0D.1000507@torchlake.com> Message-ID: I will miss him immensely. I wrote his first campaign-manegement software which was shared by his soon-to-be-wife Olivia Chow. Thanks in part to them, I have begun learning both Cantonese and Mandarin. This is a very long process, especially when you are 64 years old, but I am trying, and the people in my building are helping me achieve this goal. A. On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 10:56 AM, Tina Norris Fields < tinanfields at torchlake.com> wrote: > Arthur, > Thank you for sharing this. A great man, indeed! > T > > Tina Norris Fields > tinanfields at torchlake.com > 231-322-2787 > > > > On 8/27/2011 3:08 PM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > >> This week, a man died of cancer in Canada. His name was Jack Layton. He >> was >> Leader of the Opposition in parliament, head of the New Democratic Party, >> and a galvanizing force in Canadian politics and political life. About 30 >> years ago, when Jack was a City Councillor in Toronto, I wrote the first >> version of his campaign-management software, later to be shared with >> Olivia >> Chow, who would soon become his wife. In step with his successes, we went >> on >> to develop several subsequent versions. Each time the software got better, >> and I like to think that it played some small part in his success. >> >> Jack is the first person in Canadian history who is not a prime minister >> or >> cabinet minister to be given a state funeral. It's occurring as I write >> this. He has so many achievements that it's hard to know where to begin. >> He >> was the first to embrace gay rights, green city culture, he invented the >> White Ribbon HIV-AIDS campaign. campaigned for bicycle-culture (he rode >> his >> bicycle to work even in the dead of winter; I remember him saying that if >> you dress for it, you can bicycle even in Toronto winters). He was >> tri-lingual (he was born in Quebec and so learned English and French when >> he >> was young, and later on learned Cantonese from his wife Olivia Chow). He >> had >> several remarkable and unique characteristics, notable among them his >> open-door policy. I know this because I was frequently there working on >> his >> computer, adding reports etc. while people walked in and told him of their >> problems and complaints -- and he acted on them. >> >> In this week of his death, it is astonishing how many thousands of people >> are weeping openly at his loss. Even those who don't share his political >> views are weeping. One thing everyone of every political stripe can say is >> that Jack never argued ad hominem (against the man), but always stuck to >> the >> issues: poverty, homelessness, gay rights, green economics. >> >> Such was his measure that even the prime minister of Australia flew >> halfway >> around the world to attend Jack's funeral == not to mention thousands of >> Torontonians and others who came to pay their respects and honour a man. >> >> Rest in peace, Jack. You will be missed by Canadians of every political >> stripe. >> >> Arthur >> ______________________________**_________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com >> >> ______________________________**_________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com > From accessd at shaw.ca Thu Sep 1 20:08:39 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2011 18:08:39 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: Jack Layton In-Reply-To: References: <4E5F9D0D.1000507@torchlake.com> Message-ID: Will you be at the state funeral on Saturday?...or the question should be will you not. There are a number of friends who are catching flights back east. http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/2011/08/24/itinerary-jack-layton-funeral .html Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 10:27 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] OT: Jack Layton I will miss him immensely. I wrote his first campaign-manegement software which was shared by his soon-to-be-wife Olivia Chow. Thanks in part to them, I have begun learning both Cantonese and Mandarin. This is a very long process, especially when you are 64 years old, but I am trying, and the people in my building are helping me achieve this goal. A. On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 10:56 AM, Tina Norris Fields < tinanfields at torchlake.com> wrote: > Arthur, > Thank you for sharing this. A great man, indeed! > T > > Tina Norris Fields > tinanfields at torchlake.com > 231-322-2787 > > > > On 8/27/2011 3:08 PM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > >> This week, a man died of cancer in Canada. His name was Jack Layton. He >> was >> Leader of the Opposition in parliament, head of the New Democratic Party, >> and a galvanizing force in Canadian politics and political life. About 30 >> years ago, when Jack was a City Councillor in Toronto, I wrote the first >> version of his campaign-management software, later to be shared with >> Olivia >> Chow, who would soon become his wife. In step with his successes, we went >> on >> to develop several subsequent versions. Each time the software got better, >> and I like to think that it played some small part in his success. >> >> Jack is the first person in Canadian history who is not a prime minister >> or >> cabinet minister to be given a state funeral. It's occurring as I write >> this. He has so many achievements that it's hard to know where to begin. >> He >> was the first to embrace gay rights, green city culture, he invented the >> White Ribbon HIV-AIDS campaign. campaigned for bicycle-culture (he rode >> his >> bicycle to work even in the dead of winter; I remember him saying that if >> you dress for it, you can bicycle even in Toronto winters). He was >> tri-lingual (he was born in Quebec and so learned English and French when >> he >> was young, and later on learned Cantonese from his wife Olivia Chow). He >> had >> several remarkable and unique characteristics, notable among them his >> open-door policy. I know this because I was frequently there working on >> his >> computer, adding reports etc. while people walked in and told him of their >> problems and complaints -- and he acted on them. >> >> In this week of his death, it is astonishing how many thousands of people >> are weeping openly at his loss. Even those who don't share his political >> views are weeping. One thing everyone of every political stripe can say is >> that Jack never argued ad hominem (against the man), but always stuck to >> the >> issues: poverty, homelessness, gay rights, green economics. >> >> Such was his measure that even the prime minister of Australia flew >> halfway >> around the world to attend Jack's funeral == not to mention thousands of >> Torontonians and others who came to pay their respects and honour a man. >> >> Rest in peace, Jack. You will be missed by Canadians of every political >> stripe. >> >> Arthur >> ______________________________**_________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com >> >> ______________________________**_________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Fri Sep 2 13:50:33 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2011 14:50:33 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: Anyone Using Base? Message-ID: I have downloaded and installed OpenOffice just to check it out. I notice that there is an "Access clone" called Base. Has anyone on this list used it for anything meaningful? I don't really need it or O-O for that matter, but in my retirement years I am on the lookout for free stuff for NGOs where I volunteer. TIA, Arthur From accessd at shaw.ca Fri Sep 2 17:17:32 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2011 15:17:32 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: Anyone Using Base? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <77D39B0C38BA476BAFF87F3D3A387966@creativesystemdesigns.com> I played with it "Base" for a while but found it was definitely not Access. There are a host of superior languages, that with the help of an application like IIS or Apache can run right off your desktop. PHP and ASP.Net would be your best common choices as far as I can tell. I have always admired MS Accesses' excellent presentation manager but have avoided its less than stellar BE. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Friday, September 02, 2011 11:51 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: Anyone Using Base? I have downloaded and installed OpenOffice just to check it out. I notice that there is an "Access clone" called Base. Has anyone on this list used it for anything meaningful? I don't really need it or O-O for that matter, but in my retirement years I am on the lookout for free stuff for NGOs where I volunteer. TIA, Arthur _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Fri Sep 2 20:06:05 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2011 21:06:05 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: Anyone Using Base? In-Reply-To: <77D39B0C38BA476BAFF87F3D3A387966@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <77D39B0C38BA476BAFF87F3D3A387966@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: Yeah, I have been gently persuading my clients to switch to other BEs. Some are reluctant but that's when I reach for my hammer LOL. A. From fuller.artful at gmail.com Mon Sep 5 11:52:21 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2011 12:52:21 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Free Registry Repair tool Message-ID: Is there a free registry repair tool? I've Googled and Binged it and so far they all seeem to be come-ons -- they'll scan and tell you there are errors, and then offer you the chance to send money to get a version that actually does the repairs. Being retired and on limited funds, I want the whole thing for free. Anyone know of such a beast? TIA, Arthur From fuller.artful at gmail.com Mon Sep 5 11:58:06 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2011 12:58:06 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Happy Birthday Google Message-ID: Google turned 13 years old today. A. From peter.brawley at earthlink.net Mon Sep 5 12:09:50 2011 From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley) Date: Mon, 05 Sep 2011 12:09:50 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Free Registry Repair tool In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4E65025E.5060109@earthlink.net> On 9/5/2011 11:52 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > Is there a free registry repair tool? I've Googled and Binged it and so far > they all seeem to be come-ons -- they'll scan and tell you there are errors, > and then offer you the chance to send money to get a version that actually > does the repairs. Being retired and on limited funds, I want the whole thing > for free. Anyone know of such a beast? http://download.cnet.com/Free-Window-Registry-Repair/3000-2086_4-10606555.html P. > > TIA, > Arthur > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From fuller.artful at gmail.com Mon Sep 5 12:20:12 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2011 13:20:12 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Free Registry Repair tool In-Reply-To: <4E65025E.5060109@earthlink.net> References: <4E65025E.5060109@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Thx. On Mon, Sep 5, 2011 at 1:09 PM, Peter Brawley wrote: > On 9/5/2011 11:52 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > >> Is there a free registry repair tool? I've Googled and Binged it and so >> far >> they all seeem to be come-ons -- they'll scan and tell you there are >> errors, >> and then offer you the chance to send money to get a version that actually >> does the repairs. Being retired and on limited funds, I want the whole >> thing >> for free. Anyone know of such a beast? >> > http://download.cnet.com/Free-**Window-Registry-Repair/3000-** > 2086_4-10606555.html > > P. > >> >> TIA, >> Arthur >> ______________________________**_________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com >> >> ______________________________**_________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com > From peter.brawley at earthlink.net Mon Sep 5 12:57:14 2011 From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley) Date: Mon, 05 Sep 2011 12:57:14 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Free Registry Repair tool In-Reply-To: References: <4E65025E.5060109@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4E650D7A.1000903@earthlink.net> On 9/5/2011 12:20 PM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > Thx. CCleaner free edition http://www.piriform.com/ccleaner/download is pretty good too. P. ----- > > On Mon, Sep 5, 2011 at 1:09 PM, Peter Brawley > wrote: > >> On 9/5/2011 11:52 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote: >> >>> Is there a free registry repair tool? I've Googled and Binged it and so >>> far >>> they all seeem to be come-ons -- they'll scan and tell you there are >>> errors, >>> and then offer you the chance to send money to get a version that actually >>> does the repairs. Being retired and on limited funds, I want the whole >>> thing >>> for free. Anyone know of such a beast? >>> >> http://download.cnet.com/Free-**Window-Registry-Repair/3000-** >> 2086_4-10606555.html >> >> P. >> >>> TIA, >>> Arthur >>> ______________________________**_________________ >>> dba-Tech mailing list >>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com >>> >>> ______________________________**_________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com >> > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From hkotsch at arcor.de Mon Sep 5 13:19:06 2011 From: hkotsch at arcor.de (Helmut Kotsch) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2011 20:19:06 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Free Registry Repair tool In-Reply-To: Message-ID: http://www.piriform.com/ccleaner Helmut -----Ursprungliche Nachricht----- Von: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]Im Auftrag von Arthur Fuller Gesendet: Montag, 5. September 2011 18:52 An: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Betreff: [dba-Tech] Free Registry Repair tool Is there a free registry repair tool? I've Googled and Binged it and so far they all seeem to be come-ons -- they'll scan and tell you there are errors, and then offer you the chance to send money to get a version that actually does the repairs. Being retired and on limited funds, I want the whole thing for free. Anyone know of such a beast? TIA, Arthur _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Tue Sep 6 14:20:42 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2011 12:20:42 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Free Registry Repair tool In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <14C3E2C4071B4B0592A8F19FD11BEB86@creativesystemdesigns.com> Hi Arthur: There has been CCleaner around for years and it is an excellent product but it is not specifically only for registry repair: http://www.piriform.com/CCLEANER Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Monday, September 05, 2011 9:52 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Free Registry Repair tool Is there a free registry repair tool? I've Googled and Binged it and so far they all seeem to be come-ons -- they'll scan and tell you there are errors, and then offer you the chance to send money to get a version that actually does the repairs. Being retired and on limited funds, I want the whole thing for free. Anyone know of such a beast? TIA, Arthur _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From john at winhaven.net Tue Sep 6 14:25:13 2011 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2011 14:25:13 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Free Registry Repair tool In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <036601cc6cca$b3831e50$1a895af0$@winhaven.net> Arthur, Honestly, I don't think anyone needs to use one unless they've been infected by malware. I use ccleaner then. It doesn't list some of items others do but then sometimes these cleaners can cause problems by being too aggressive. I don't think I've ever had a system go bonkers because of ccleaner and I had from others in the past. Another registry trick that is mostly unneeded unless major problems have occurred is defragging the registry files. A simple one to use is Auslogics RegDefragger. I install it, use it and then uninstall it. There's probably a nice scripted way to do the same thing but I haven't run across it yet. Have fun, John B. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Monday, September 05, 2011 11:52 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Free Registry Repair tool Is there a free registry repair tool? I've Googled and Binged it and so far they all seeem to be come-ons -- they'll scan and tell you there are errors, and then offer you the chance to send money to get a version that actually does the repairs. Being retired and on limited funds, I want the whole thing for free. Anyone know of such a beast? TIA, Arthur _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Gustav at cactus.dk Wed Sep 7 09:24:30 2011 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Wed, 07 Sep 2011 16:24:30 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] SMS and Outlook (Exchange) Message-ID: Hi al Does anyone have experience with some low-cost service or add-on to Exchange that allows SMS messages somehow to be send from the user's Outlook client? Preferably a two-way service that allows the receiver to respond. All in all, much like a fax gateway. Traffic will be low and mainly domestic, thus cost per SMS is of no major importance. /gustav From accessd at shaw.ca Wed Sep 7 12:34:49 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2011 10:34:49 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] SMS and Outlook (Exchange) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <64A1DF3F0276418C96C046E8F2800DFF@creativesystemdesigns.com> Hi Gustav: Are you looking for a triggered automated message; centrally or desktop located(?) Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 7:25 AM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: [dba-Tech] SMS and Outlook (Exchange) Hi al Does anyone have experience with some low-cost service or add-on to Exchange that allows SMS messages somehow to be send from the user's Outlook client? Preferably a two-way service that allows the receiver to respond. All in all, much like a fax gateway. Traffic will be low and mainly domestic, thus cost per SMS is of no major importance. /gustav _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Wed Sep 7 14:15:46 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2011 12:15:46 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Linux turns 20: Progress report on world domination In-Reply-To: <64A1DF3F0276418C96C046E8F2800DFF@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <64A1DF3F0276418C96C046E8F2800DFF@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: Linux turns 20: Progress report on world domination The following link is a thoughtful commentary on Linux (UNIX) position in the world of computers. http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/opensource/linux-turns-20-progress-report-o n-world-domination/2972?tag=nl.e099 The points that were not mentioned was that not only has Linux/Unix dominated the server market but Android (Linux) holds a huge chunk of the cell phone market and where would apple be without their distro build on FreeBSD (Unix) Jim From carbonnb at gmail.com Wed Sep 7 14:28:39 2011 From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell) Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2011 15:28:39 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] SMS and Outlook (Exchange) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: In a lot of cases the cell provider has a way to do it just by emailing to a specifically formatted email address In the case of my cell provider, if you email 7055551212 at txt.bell.ca then an SMS is sent to phone number 705-555-1212. Both the Subject and the body of the email are sent as the text of the SMS. You may want to investigate that possibility. Bryan On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 10:24 AM, Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi al > > Does anyone have experience with some low-cost service or add-on to Exchange that allows SMS messages somehow to be send from the user's Outlook client? > Preferably a two-way service that allows the receiver to respond. > > All in all, much like a fax gateway. > > Traffic will be low and mainly domestic, thus cost per SMS is of no major importance. > > /gustav > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "What a great ride!" From Gustav at cactus.dk Thu Sep 8 01:38:27 2011 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2011 08:38:27 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] SMS and Outlook (Exchange) Message-ID: Hi Jim No, nothing fancy, just like manually writing an e-mail, then "Send as SMS" or similar. /gustav >>> accessd at shaw.ca 07-09-2011 19:34 >>> Hi Gustav: Are you looking for a triggered automated message; centrally or desktop located(?) Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 7:25 AM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: [dba-Tech] SMS and Outlook (Exchange) Hi al Does anyone have experience with some low-cost service or add-on to Exchange that allows SMS messages somehow to be send from the user's Outlook client? Preferably a two-way service that allows the receiver to respond. All in all, much like a fax gateway. Traffic will be low and mainly domestic, thus cost per SMS is of no major importance. /gustav From fuller.artful at gmail.com Thu Sep 8 06:03:05 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2011 07:03:05 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Interface to IMDB Message-ID: I built a simple DVD library database so I could log in my collection of DVD movies. The database contains only one table, with columns such as ID, Title, Genre, Director, Synopsis and Review. The way I've been entering the data is by opening IMDB in one window and my db in another, looking up the title in IMDB and typing in the relevant data into my db. There's got to be a better way. I'm not tied to preserving my little app. Is there either a free tool that interfaces with IMDB so I can enter a title and it looks up the IMDB info and copies it; or some sort of API etc. that I could hook to my own little db and achieve the same? TIA, Arthur From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk Thu Sep 8 06:10:58 2011 From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid) Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2011 12:10:58 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Interface to IMDB In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB0829569FFF3D646@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk> Hi Arthur http://www.imdb.com/interfaces#plain Martin -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: 08 September 2011 12:03 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Interface to IMDB I built a simple DVD library database so I could log in my collection of DVD movies. The database contains only one table, with columns such as ID, Title, Genre, Director, Synopsis and Review. The way I've been entering the data is by opening IMDB in one window and my db in another, looking up the title in IMDB and typing in the relevant data into my db. There's got to be a better way. I'm not tied to preserving my little app. Is there either a free tool that interfaces with IMDB so I can enter a title and it looks up the IMDB info and copies it; or some sort of API etc. that I could hook to my own little db and achieve the same? TIA, Arthur _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Thu Sep 8 06:17:52 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2011 07:17:52 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Interface to IMDB In-Reply-To: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB0829569FFF3D646@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk> References: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB0829569FFF3D646@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk> Message-ID: Duh! I should have thought of starting my search there. Also, I did a search and found several packages that seem to do what I want. A couple of them also handle CDs and look the data from GraceNote. I think I'll try out a few of these and of course follow your URL and see what's there. Thanks! Arthur On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 7:10 AM, Martin Reid wrote: > Hi Arthur > > http://www.imdb.com/interfaces#plain > > > Martin > > From fuller.artful at gmail.com Thu Sep 8 07:14:56 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2011 08:14:56 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Interface to IMDB In-Reply-To: References: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB0829569FFF3D646@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk> Message-ID: I downloaded three potential cataloguers. The first two (SundryToolsXV and Bootleg 5) crashed immediately, so I tossed them and tried the third, Ant Movie Catalog (AMC), which I am running now. It has all the features I wanted and more. Its interface to Net databases is achieved with scripts, and there is a script editor. There are dozens of scripts provided, each interfacing to a different data source. The only one I've tried so far is the IMDB interface. You enter the title of the movie, then run the script and presto, all the data is entered into the local database, even including a screen shot of the cover. Nice! Oh, another important thing is that you can choose an Access or MySQL back end. I went with Access. Arthur From fuller.artful at gmail.com Thu Sep 8 21:32:45 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2011 22:32:45 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Export Gmail contacts to csv for Outlook Message-ID: I've tried this several times now, always with the same results. All that arrives in Outlook when I import the csv file is the email column -- no names, addresses, nothing. I can't see what I'm doing wrong. Is it me or is this broken? Has anyone done this successfully? Arthur From accessd at shaw.ca Fri Sep 9 11:23:06 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2011 09:23:06 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Export Gmail contacts to csv for Outlook In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Arthur: Here is one example describing the method of exporting from gmail and then importing to outlook. (2010) http://www.addictivetips.com/microsoft-office/import-google-gmail-microsoft- hotmail-contacts-in-outlook-2010/ HTH Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 7:33 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Export Gmail contacts to csv for Outlook I've tried this several times now, always with the same results. All that arrives in Outlook when I import the csv file is the email column -- no names, addresses, nothing. I can't see what I'm doing wrong. Is it me or is this broken? Has anyone done this successfully? Arthur _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Fri Sep 9 20:34:08 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2011 21:34:08 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Export Gmail contacts to csv for Outlook In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I finally got it to work, albeit in a very roundabout way. I exported in csv format then opened the file in Excel then saved the file, then opened Access and imported the xls file and saved that, and finally opened Outlook and imported the Access table. There might have been a simpler way, but it worked. But thanks for this anyway. I'll keep it in case I ever have to do it again. A. On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 12:23 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Hi Arthur: > > Here is one example describing the method of exporting from gmail and then > importing to outlook. (2010) > > > http://www.addictivetips.com/microsoft-office/import-google-gmail-microsoft- > hotmail-contacts-in-outlook-2010/ > > HTH > Jim > From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sat Sep 10 09:54:47 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2011 10:54:47 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows XP Mode in MS Virtual PC Message-ID: Who here is running this? Is anyone running the XP Mode VM in VMWare as opposed to the MS VPC? TIA, Arthur From gustav at cactus.dk Sat Sep 10 11:20:59 2011 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2011 18:20:59 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows XP Mode in MS Virtual PC Message-ID: Hi Arthur We are running both Windows XP Mode VM under Windows 7 as well as Windows XP Pro in VMware Server (under different Windows XP/2003 32/64 OSes) if that is what you mean? Very reliable. /gustav >>> fuller.artful at gmail.com 10-09-2011 16:54 >>> Who here is running this? Is anyone running the XP Mode VM in VMWare as opposed to the MS VPC? TIA, Arthur From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sat Sep 10 11:44:58 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2011 12:44:58 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows XP Mode in MS Virtual PC In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks. On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 12:20 PM, Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi Arthur > > We are running both Windows XP Mode VM under Windows 7 as well as Windows > XP Pro in VMware Server (under different Windows XP/2003 32/64 OSes) if that > is what you mean? Very reliable. > > /gustav > From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Sat Sep 10 15:57:56 2011 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 06:57:56 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows XP Mode in MS Virtual PC In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4E6BCF54.28468.3C0F0B80@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> I use neither, I run XP VMs in VirtualBox On 10 Sep 2011 at 10:54, Arthur Fuller wrote: > Who here is running this? Is anyone running the XP Mode VM in VMWare > as opposed to the MS VPC? > > TIA, > Arthur > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From accessd at shaw.ca Sun Sep 11 01:55:27 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2011 23:55:27 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] A new language In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2F9A0DD5E91F496C8AE781EC53B17173@creativesystemdesigns.com> Is the creation of a new language by Google called Strongtalk (http://www.strongtalk.org/) really new or is it just a blast from the past. It emulates much of Smalltalk but now it is supposed to be web based, extremely fast and fully compilable. It will be interesting to see if it can challenge the incredible speed of multi-tasking, multi-core, multi-threading node.js (http://nodejs.org/) for server side performance but I would think it is safe to say its nature will be similar to Java. Jim From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Sun Sep 11 09:12:49 2011 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 07:12:49 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Dead Comp Message-ID: <7631A2B980FD4E9A8CC131DE9F434F86@HAL9007> Dear Lists: Came home after 5 days in Napa and Carmel to find only one comp had suffered in the massive San Diego blackout. Pundit's comp will not power up. Meaning you press the on switch and nothing at all happens. I don't think it was on during the blackout. But we're going to open it up this morning and see if we can eyeball something amiss. It's an older box - HP Pavilion a810h - and the most likely suspect is the power supply, of course. So a quick trip to Fry's for a replacement would be an easy fix. However, I'm wondering, before I do that, if there's a way to test the PS to see if it is really the failed component? Don't have much here in the way of tools other than a DMM. MTIA Rocky From df.waters at comcast.net Sun Sep 11 09:29:49 2011 From: df.waters at comcast.net (Dan Waters) Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 09:29:49 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Dead Comp In-Reply-To: <7631A2B980FD4E9A8CC131DE9F434F86@HAL9007> References: <7631A2B980FD4E9A8CC131DE9F434F86@HAL9007> Message-ID: <000c01cc708f$43314b40$c993e1c0$@comcast.net> Try swapping out the suspect PS with one from another computer. Dan -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 9:13 AM To: List; 'Off Topic' Subject: [dba-Tech] Dead Comp Dear Lists: Came home after 5 days in Napa and Carmel to find only one comp had suffered in the massive San Diego blackout. Pundit's comp will not power up. Meaning you press the on switch and nothing at all happens. I don't think it was on during the blackout. But we're going to open it up this morning and see if we can eyeball something amiss. It's an older box - HP Pavilion a810h - and the most likely suspect is the power supply, of course. So a quick trip to Fry's for a replacement would be an easy fix. However, I'm wondering, before I do that, if there's a way to test the PS to see if it is really the failed component? Don't have much here in the way of tools other than a DMM. MTIA Rocky _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Sun Sep 11 11:03:26 2011 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 09:03:26 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Dead Comp In-Reply-To: <000c01cc708f$43314b40$c993e1c0$@comcast.net> References: <7631A2B980FD4E9A8CC131DE9F434F86@HAL9007> <000c01cc708f$43314b40$c993e1c0$@comcast.net> Message-ID: If only I had an extra one. :) -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters Sent: September 11, 2011 7:30 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Dead Comp Try swapping out the suspect PS with one from another computer. Dan -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 9:13 AM To: List; 'Off Topic' Subject: [dba-Tech] Dead Comp Dear Lists: Came home after 5 days in Napa and Carmel to find only one comp had suffered in the massive San Diego blackout. Pundit's comp will not power up. Meaning you press the on switch and nothing at all happens. I don't think it was on during the blackout. But we're going to open it up this morning and see if we can eyeball something amiss. It's an older box - HP Pavilion a810h - and the most likely suspect is the power supply, of course. So a quick trip to Fry's for a replacement would be an easy fix. However, I'm wondering, before I do that, if there's a way to test the PS to see if it is really the failed component? Don't have much here in the way of tools other than a DMM. MTIA Rocky _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From bill_patten at embarqmail.com Sun Sep 11 11:43:52 2011 From: bill_patten at embarqmail.com (Bill Patten) Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 09:43:52 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Dead Comp In-Reply-To: References: <7631A2B980FD4E9A8CC131DE9F434F86@HAL9007><000c01cc708f$43314b40$c993e1c0$@comcast.net> Message-ID: Rocky, There are several power supply testers available, I use Ultra about $15 and it will test both 20 and 24 pin mother boards and even SATA power plugs.. It uses LED's to indicate correct voltages. Fry's may carry it. Even if you get a new supply and it works this tester can save you time in the future. I don't know how old your Dell is but in the early days they used proprietary supply's and standard replacement would not physically fit. Best of Luck. Bill -------------------------------------------------- From: "Rocky Smolin" Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 9:03 AM To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Dead Comp If only I had an extra one. :) -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters Sent: September 11, 2011 7:30 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Dead Comp Try swapping out the suspect PS with one from another computer. Dan -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 9:13 AM To: List; 'Off Topic' Subject: [dba-Tech] Dead Comp Dear Lists: Came home after 5 days in Napa and Carmel to find only one comp had suffered in the massive San Diego blackout. Pundit's comp will not power up. Meaning you press the on switch and nothing at all happens. I don't think it was on during the blackout. But we're going to open it up this morning and see if we can eyeball something amiss. It's an older box - HP Pavilion a810h - and the most likely suspect is the power supply, of course. So a quick trip to Fry's for a replacement would be an easy fix. However, I'm wondering, before I do that, if there's a way to test the PS to see if it is really the failed component? Don't have much here in the way of tools other than a DMM. MTIA Rocky _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Sun Sep 11 11:48:50 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 09:48:50 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Dead Comp In-Reply-To: <7631A2B980FD4E9A8CC131DE9F434F86@HAL9007> References: <7631A2B980FD4E9A8CC131DE9F434F86@HAL9007> Message-ID: <78589A9BDD054A668C4928A37B365C7C@creativesystemdesigns.com> It is probably safest to just pull the power supply out and have it tested at your local computer shop. They can test whether the problem is constant or intermittent...in both cases it needs replacing. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 7:13 AM To: List; 'Off Topic' Subject: [dba-Tech] Dead Comp Dear Lists: Came home after 5 days in Napa and Carmel to find only one comp had suffered in the massive San Diego blackout. Pundit's comp will not power up. Meaning you press the on switch and nothing at all happens. I don't think it was on during the blackout. But we're going to open it up this morning and see if we can eyeball something amiss. It's an older box - HP Pavilion a810h - and the most likely suspect is the power supply, of course. So a quick trip to Fry's for a replacement would be an easy fix. However, I'm wondering, before I do that, if there's a way to test the PS to see if it is really the failed component? Don't have much here in the way of tools other than a DMM. MTIA Rocky _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From marklbreen at gmail.com Mon Sep 12 03:22:36 2011 From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen) Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 09:22:36 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Sproc emailed me to say I am broken Message-ID: Hello All, I am using a module in DNN named Dynamic Registration. In that module, I have a custom written sproc. I recently deleted a column in the database that I no longer use. That night a user attempted to register and when he did my sproc failed, so guess what, the module emailed me to inform me that it was now broken. I was astonished, mostly because the notification feature worked, but also because I had forgotten that such a feature existed. IMO, software does not work as well as that often enough. I was very impressed. thanks Mark From fuller.artful at gmail.com Mon Sep 12 15:11:46 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 16:11:46 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] SilverLight Runtime Message-ID: When I tried to create my first SL app, I got a message saying that VS couldn't find a SV runtime, with a link. I clicked the link and selected one of the options, and nothing happened. The links may be broken. I don't know. Has anyone had this problem and solved it. Has anyone got a copy of the runtime that you could email to me off-list? TIA, Arthur From accessd at shaw.ca Tue Sep 13 20:35:25 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 18:35:25 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] New Windows 8 In-Reply-To: <2F9A0DD5E91F496C8AE781EC53B17173@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <2F9A0DD5E91F496C8AE781EC53B17173@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: The first look of Windows 8 may be a bit of a curiosity. Actually, it is two products in one or a core with two distros...like Linux, given say, Lime and Ubuntu, each interface looks completely different but each has the same kernel. There will be the new default browser/cell phone type interface and then there will be Windows7. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/09/13/windows_8_preview/ I think this product is an evolutionary product...One part says desktop PC and the other says Web based browser. The interface is just a step on the journey which will lead away from the desktop PC to an internet support application. Many articles have been written saying it more bluntly, but this is the formal acceptance and official agreement, on the part of Microsoft. They have just acknowledged the truth and that is that the PC, as we know it, is dead. So boys and girls if you plan to be working in the computer industry, of the future get your internet skills ready. Learn about web servers, internet protocols, distributive databases, HTMLx, CSSx, JavaScript, web based graphics and cloud based applications (and all the forth-coming generations). It is going to be a thrilling ride as we launch off from the PC. Jim From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Tue Sep 13 21:18:47 2011 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 12:18:47 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] [AccessD] New Windows 8 In-Reply-To: References: , <2F9A0DD5E91F496C8AE781EC53B17173@creativesystemdesigns.com>, Message-ID: <4E700F07.22290.383F13@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Maybe in the US where internet access is fast and bandiwdth is cheap. It will be many years before businesses in much of the world are prepared to go that way. -- Stuart On 13 Sep 2011 at 18:35, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Many articles have been written saying it more bluntly, but this is > the formal acceptance and official agreement, on the part of > Microsoft. They have just acknowledged the truth and that is that the > PC, as we know it, is dead. > > So boys and girls if you plan to be working in the computer industry, > of the future get your internet skills ready. Learn about web servers, > internet protocols, distributive databases, HTMLx, CSSx, JavaScript, > web based graphics and cloud based applications (and all the > forth-coming generations). > > It is going to be a thrilling ride as we launch off from the PC. > From fuller.artful at gmail.com Wed Sep 14 00:16:37 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 01:16:37 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] AMD Sets new world record Message-ID: Overclocking has entered a whole new realm. See: http://hothardware.com/News/AMD-Breaks-Frequency-Record-with-Upcoming-FX-Processor/ JWC, you apparently have the budget to lead us itinerants into the future. Go, man! A. From accessd at shaw.ca Wed Sep 14 01:23:39 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 23:23:39 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] AMD Sets new world record In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <012AFEC7EDE94FB69149842E762424D3@creativesystemdesigns.com> Cool, in more ways than one. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 10:17 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] AMD Sets new world record Overclocking has entered a whole new realm. See: http://hothardware.com/News/AMD-Breaks-Frequency-Record-with-Upcoming-FX-Pro cessor/ JWC, you apparently have the budget to lead us itinerants into the future. Go, man! A. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Gustav at cactus.dk Wed Sep 14 07:45:35 2011 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 14:45:35 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] New Windows 8 Message-ID: Hi all The keynote by Steven Sinofsky (president, Windows Division) at BUILD introducing Windows 8 is up. Very nice: http://www.buildwindows.com/ /gustav >>> accessd at shaw.ca 14-09-2011 03:35 >>> The first look of Windows 8 may be a bit of a curiosity. Actually, it is two products in one or a core with two distros...like Linux, given say, Lime and Ubuntu, each interface looks completely different but each has the same kernel. There will be the new default browser/cell phone type interface and then there will be Windows7. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/09/13/windows_8_preview/ I think this product is an evolutionary product...One part says desktop PC and the other says Web based browser. The interface is just a step on the journey which will lead away from the desktop PC to an internet support application. Many articles have been written saying it more bluntly, but this is the formal acceptance and official agreement, on the part of Microsoft. They have just acknowledged the truth and that is that the PC, as we know it, is dead. So boys and girls if you plan to be working in the computer industry, of the future get your internet skills ready. Learn about web servers, internet protocols, distributive databases, HTMLx, CSSx, JavaScript, web based graphics and cloud based applications (and all the forth-coming generations). It is going to be a thrilling ride as we launch off from the PC. Jim From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Wed Sep 14 09:23:11 2011 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 07:23:11 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] UAC Message-ID: Dear Lists: Every time I run one of my favorite programs W7 asks me if it's OK to run it. I guess I could get rid of this by altering the UAC to allow any program to run. But is there a way to tell W7 it's OK to run specific programs and ask for all the rest? TIA Rocky From fuller.artful at gmail.com Wed Sep 14 11:10:32 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 12:10:32 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] OneNote Question Message-ID: When I first loaded this program, I didn't like it. But I have come around, over the years/months. and now regard it as invaluable. However, I am stymied by a problem. I have a notebook regarding work, and it has a section called Projects. I have a Project called xyz, and I want to move this stuff (all its sections and pages) into a new Notebook so I can send it to the client. I have tried "Move", "Copy" etc. without joy. Can anyone give me instructions on how to accomplish this? Notebook 1 = "Work Notebook" Notebook 1.SectionOfInterest = "SAS Regression Tests" Notebook 2 = "Project xyz" I want to move all the the stuff pertaining to "SAS Regression Tests" into the new Notebook "Project xyz", but I can't seem to do it. Any tips about how to accomplish this seemingly simple action? TIA, Arthur From accessd at shaw.ca Wed Sep 14 12:15:54 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 10:15:54 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] New Windows 8 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Its running live...now. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 5:46 AM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] New Windows 8 Hi all The keynote by Steven Sinofsky (president, Windows Division) at BUILD introducing Windows 8 is up. Very nice: http://www.buildwindows.com/ /gustav >>> accessd at shaw.ca 14-09-2011 03:35 >>> The first look of Windows 8 may be a bit of a curiosity. Actually, it is two products in one or a core with two distros...like Linux, given say, Lime and Ubuntu, each interface looks completely different but each has the same kernel. There will be the new default browser/cell phone type interface and then there will be Windows7. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/09/13/windows_8_preview/ I think this product is an evolutionary product...One part says desktop PC and the other says Web based browser. The interface is just a step on the journey which will lead away from the desktop PC to an internet support application. Many articles have been written saying it more bluntly, but this is the formal acceptance and official agreement, on the part of Microsoft. They have just acknowledged the truth and that is that the PC, as we know it, is dead. So boys and girls if you plan to be working in the computer industry, of the future get your internet skills ready. Learn about web servers, internet protocols, distributive databases, HTMLx, CSSx, JavaScript, web based graphics and cloud based applications (and all the forth-coming generations). It is going to be a thrilling ride as we launch off from the PC. Jim _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Wed Sep 14 17:06:37 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 18:06:37 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] [AccessD] Numbers within a street In-Reply-To: <4E712020.12464.4630E58@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <4E712020.12464.4630E58@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: Thanks for the "second pair of eyes" on the problem. I'm thinking of resuscitating this old app and making it slick and Windows/Linux friendly. If not for profit, then just to keep Alzheimers away. As my best friend Peter says, "The best defence against Alzheimer's is to keep thinking." So in the interim I shall add new columns, one for streetName and one for streetNumber, and then do an update query to populate as many rows as possible. Then I can isolate the failed rows and manually populate them so that everything is hunky-dory. It's an interesting phenomenon, politics x software dev. I know this turf like the back of my hand, albeit within a CDN context. Venturing out would require some serious adjustments: here in Canada we have a notion called Ridings, which vaguely corresponds to geographical areas. I'm not sure what the USA term for these objects is, nor the Danish or French or Italian or Spanish, for that matter. In CDN parlance, a Riding corresponds to some arbitrarily defined geographical area. Upon election, the winning party is free to reposition the boundaries of any given riding, and it's not all corrupt, but often is. Move the boundaries describing Riding xxx to exclude people of some ethnic persuasion, and plonk those disenfranchised people into Riding yyy, which we know we could never win. Etc. There are lots of games played here. What is the USA equivalent to a Riding? And further down the pike, within a Riding there exist any number of Polling stations, the theory being that one should not have to walk more than 5 blocks to cast her vote. What is the USA equivalent of that concept? And (hello Gustav) what is the Danish equivalent? And for the numerous Aussies on this list, what are your designations for these concepts? I mention only these because we are in frequent communication. But I welcome answers from anyone in a country not previously mentioned. And finally, let me throw out a gauntlet. IMO, I think that rep-by-pop is the correct answer. However, CDN law dictates rep-by-geography, which in my opinion is ridiculous. The province of Saskatchewan, for example, contains fewer people than the city of Scarborough, and yet it occupies many more seats in Parliament than does Scarborough. This, IMO, is fundamentally wrong: geography does not and should not matter. What matters is the head-count. A. On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 5:44 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote: > A query Column =VAL(StreetAddress) will give you the street number in all > of those cases. > > If all you want is whether it is odd or evem, then just create a query > column > =VAL(StrretAddress) Mod 2 > > If you want the Street Name by itself , a first pass would be > =RIGHT$(StreetAddress, INSTR(StreetAddress," ") + 1) > > Note: In your third example, VAL() returns just the 2333. If looking for > the street name, I > would want "Queen Street", not "1070 Queen Street", so you lose data when > splitting. For > the actual address, you'd use the original data rather that trying to put > the Number and > Streetname back together again. > > -- > Stuart > > On 14 Sep 2011 at 16:31, Arthur Fuller wrote: > > > I am working on a political campaign management app. The thing I need > > to do is post reports that identify the even and odd numbers on a > > given street. I inherited the db and have freedom to change it (it was > > written by amateurs and they know it and there are no hard feelings if > > I make a change, insofar as said change increases productivity). > > > > So... given a current field called StreetAddress, I want to break it > > into two fields, StreetNumber and StreetAddress, so that I can filter > > the even numbers for one report and the odd numbers for an identical > > report. How can I intelligently extract the data and populate my new > > columns? > > > > Example data: > > > > 123 Normal Street ' easy > > 234A Abnormal Street ' a tad trickier > > 2333-1070 Queen Street ' the 2333 part should fall into the > > StreetNumber field and the rest into the StreetAddress field. > > > > Any clever ideas how I might achieve this? > > > > TIA, > > Arthur > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz Wed Sep 14 18:25:12 2011 From: stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz (Stephen Bond) Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 11:25:12 +1200 Subject: [dba-Tech] [AccessD] Numbers within a street In-Reply-To: References: <4E712020.12464.4630E58@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: OT -reply to gauntlet ... In the New Zealand context, it's rep-by-pop, equal population per seat within a tolerance (I think it's 5%). Unicameral parliament so it's all a bit simpler (we are, after all, a simple people). The boundaries commission (whatever they call themselves) allegedly has reps from political parties but this doesn't stop some minor gerrymandering. However, there is still a racial element here with several seats reserved for one race. And complicated by MMP (don't ask). Stephen Bond -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Thursday, 15 September 2011 10:16 a.m. To: Stephen Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] [AccessD] Numbers within a street And finally, let me throw out a gauntlet. IMO, I think that rep-by-pop is the correct answer. However, CDN law dictates rep-by-geography, which in my opinion is ridiculous. The province of Saskatchewan, for example, contains fewer people than the city of Scarborough, and yet it occupies many more seats in Parliament than does Scarborough. This, IMO, is fundamentally wrong: geography does not and should not matter. What matters is the head-count. A. On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 5:44 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote: From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Wed Sep 14 19:58:08 2011 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 17:58:08 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Ram Usage Message-ID: <9D0341C9EA4E4E9497CE7C4D5D666121@HAL9007> My new super-comp has 8GB RAM. The CPU Usage gadget which shows all 8 cores and their usage also show RAM being used. It rarely goes over 2GB - usually hovers around 1.6. Do I have 6GB RAM that I don't need? Or is the gadget not telling me something. TIA Rocky From df.waters at comcast.net Wed Sep 14 20:04:25 2011 From: df.waters at comcast.net (Dan Waters) Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 20:04:25 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Ram Usage In-Reply-To: <9D0341C9EA4E4E9497CE7C4D5D666121@HAL9007> References: <9D0341C9EA4E4E9497CE7C4D5D666121@HAL9007> Message-ID: <001801cc7343$699aaf90$3cd00eb0$@comcast.net> You probably have about 4 Gb of ram you Usually won't need. I have 6 Gb of ram and it's usually hovering around 33%. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 7:58 PM To: List; 'Off Topic' Subject: [dba-Tech] Ram Usage My new super-comp has 8GB RAM. The CPU Usage gadget which shows all 8 cores and their usage also show RAM being used. It rarely goes over 2GB - usually hovers around 1.6. Do I have 6GB RAM that I don't need? Or is the gadget not telling me something. TIA Rocky _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From bill_patten at embarqmail.com Wed Sep 14 22:52:16 2011 From: bill_patten at embarqmail.com (Bill Patten) Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 20:52:16 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Ram Usage In-Reply-To: <9D0341C9EA4E4E9497CE7C4D5D666121@HAL9007> References: <9D0341C9EA4E4E9497CE7C4D5D666121@HAL9007> Message-ID: <768767B5350A4D0AA7C397011DFFA9A6@BPCS> Hi Rocky, Want to see it used? Install a couple of Virtual Machines. I could only run one at time when I had 4G, now with 8G I can run 2 VM's. Bill -------------------------------------------------- From: "Rocky Smolin" Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 5:58 PM To: "List" ; "'Off Topic'" Subject: [dba-Tech] Ram Usage My new super-comp has 8GB RAM. The CPU Usage gadget which shows all 8 cores and their usage also show RAM being used. It rarely goes over 2GB - usually hovers around 1.6. Do I have 6GB RAM that I don't need? Or is the gadget not telling me something. TIA Rocky _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Wed Sep 14 23:07:30 2011 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 14:07:30 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Ram Usage In-Reply-To: <768767B5350A4D0AA7C397011DFFA9A6@BPCS> References: <9D0341C9EA4E4E9497CE7C4D5D666121@HAL9007>, <768767B5350A4D0AA7C397011DFFA9A6@BPCS> Message-ID: <4E717A02.23826.5C22AA6@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> The primary reason my next laptop (soon I think) is going to be Win64 with 8GB is to run multiple VMs. -- Stuart On 14 Sep 2011 at 20:52, Bill Patten wrote: > Hi Rocky, > > Want to see it used? Install a couple of Virtual Machines. I could > only run one at time when I had 4G, now with 8G I can run 2 VM's. > > Bill > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Rocky Smolin" > Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 5:58 PM > To: "List" ; "'Off Topic'" > > Subject: [dba-Tech] Ram Usage > > My new super-comp has 8GB RAM. > > The CPU Usage gadget which shows all 8 cores and their usage also show > RAM being used. It rarely goes over 2GB - usually hovers around 1.6. > Do I have 6GB RAM that I don't need? Or is the gadget not telling me > something. > > TIA > > Rocky > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From fuller.artful at gmail.com Wed Sep 14 23:09:03 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 00:09:03 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] [AccessD] Numbers within a street In-Reply-To: References: <4E712020.12464.4630E58@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: Thanks for this info. It helps shape my world-view. A. On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 7:25 PM, Stephen Bond wrote: > OT -reply to gauntlet ... > > In the New Zealand context, it's rep-by-pop, equal population per seat > within a tolerance (I think it's 5%). Unicameral parliament so it's all > a bit simpler (we are, after all, a simple people). The boundaries > commission (whatever they call themselves) allegedly has reps from > political parties but this doesn't stop some minor gerrymandering. > > However, there is still a racial element here with several seats > reserved for one race. And complicated by MMP (don't ask). > > Stephen Bond > From fuller.artful at gmail.com Wed Sep 14 23:14:30 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 00:14:30 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Ram Usage In-Reply-To: <4E717A02.23826.5C22AA6@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <9D0341C9EA4E4E9497CE7C4D5D666121@HAL9007> <768767B5350A4D0AA7C397011DFFA9A6@BPCS> <4E717A02.23826.5C22AA6@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: Sheesh, I wish I had the money you guys have at your disposal. I have a mere 3GB of RAM. Any contributions shall be gratefully accepted LOL. Please send your chips to me, hopefully in the 4 GB category. Guy on the street, begging for RAM not money.... Fork off, I don't need coins, I need RAM, bloddy L. A. On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 12:07 AM, Stuart McLachlan wrote: > The primary reason my next laptop (soon I think) is going to be Win64 with > 8GB is to run > multiple VMs. > > From accessd at shaw.ca Wed Sep 14 23:22:43 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 21:22:43 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Ram Usage In-Reply-To: <9D0341C9EA4E4E9497CE7C4D5D666121@HAL9007> References: <9D0341C9EA4E4E9497CE7C4D5D666121@HAL9007> Message-ID: <5F63DEF1D19040A39BE1F8FA8B1055ED@creativesystemdesigns.com> Probably. If you are not planning on doing heavy database work or graphic rendering or web site hosting or high-end game playing, a lot of the RAM and CPU power will be wasted. ;-) The number one bottle neck on any current computer is the hard drive response. Most new motherboards come with a RAID controller and with a minimum of 3-4 drive; you can build an array...superior performance. Things to watch out for are that some motherboards only have the chip sets to support SATA 2 drives but most new drives are SATA 3. SATA 3 drives have double the performance of SATA 2. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 5:58 PM To: List; 'Off Topic' Subject: [dba-Tech] Ram Usage My new super-comp has 8GB RAM. The CPU Usage gadget which shows all 8 cores and their usage also show RAM being used. It rarely goes over 2GB - usually hovers around 1.6. Do I have 6GB RAM that I don't need? Or is the gadget not telling me something. TIA Rocky _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Wed Sep 14 23:27:28 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 00:27:28 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Ram Usage In-Reply-To: <5F63DEF1D19040A39BE1F8FA8B1055ED@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <9D0341C9EA4E4E9497CE7C4D5D666121@HAL9007> <5F63DEF1D19040A39BE1F8FA8B1055ED@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: Man, I am so out of the loop. Not enough energy to keep up with the software, let alone the hardware. I guess I shall call this my "twilight years". The world moves on, and I struggle to keep up, but it's growing increasingly difficult. Not your problem: I appreciate that. But I hate the feeling of being left behind. A. On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 12:22 AM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Probably. > > If you are not planning on doing heavy database work or graphic rendering > or > web site hosting or high-end game playing, a lot of the RAM and CPU power > will be wasted. ;-) > > The number one bottle neck on any current computer is the hard drive > response. Most new motherboards come with a RAID controller and with a > minimum of 3-4 drive; you can build an array...superior performance. Things > to watch out for are that some motherboards only have the chip sets to > support SATA 2 drives but most new drives are SATA 3. SATA 3 drives have > double the performance of SATA 2. > > Jim > > From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Thu Sep 15 00:10:26 2011 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 22:10:26 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Ram Usage In-Reply-To: <768767B5350A4D0AA7C397011DFFA9A6@BPCS> References: <9D0341C9EA4E4E9497CE7C4D5D666121@HAL9007> <768767B5350A4D0AA7C397011DFFA9A6@BPCS> Message-ID: What vm software are you using? I'm thinking if I want to use 2007 & 2010 and avoid that re-install nonsense, that's probably the way to go. R -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bill Patten Sent: September 14, 2011 8:52 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Ram Usage Hi Rocky, Want to see it used? Install a couple of Virtual Machines. I could only run one at time when I had 4G, now with 8G I can run 2 VM's. Bill -------------------------------------------------- From: "Rocky Smolin" Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 5:58 PM To: "List" ; "'Off Topic'" Subject: [dba-Tech] Ram Usage My new super-comp has 8GB RAM. The CPU Usage gadget which shows all 8 cores and their usage also show RAM being used. It rarely goes over 2GB - usually hovers around 1.6. Do I have 6GB RAM that I don't need? Or is the gadget not telling me something. TIA Rocky _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Thu Sep 15 00:11:11 2011 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 22:11:11 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Ram Usage In-Reply-To: <4E717A02.23826.5C22AA6@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <9D0341C9EA4E4E9497CE7C4D5D666121@HAL9007>, <768767B5350A4D0AA7C397011DFFA9A6@BPCS> <4E717A02.23826.5C22AA6@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <8177514526DF4D11ACB49A206AC671E9@HAL9007> What vm software do you use? R -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: September 14, 2011 9:08 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Ram Usage The primary reason my next laptop (soon I think) is going to be Win64 with 8GB is to run multiple VMs. -- Stuart On 14 Sep 2011 at 20:52, Bill Patten wrote: > Hi Rocky, > > Want to see it used? Install a couple of Virtual Machines. I could > only run one at time when I had 4G, now with 8G I can run 2 VM's. > > Bill > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Rocky Smolin" > Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 5:58 PM > To: "List" ; "'Off Topic'" > > Subject: [dba-Tech] Ram Usage > > My new super-comp has 8GB RAM. > > The CPU Usage gadget which shows all 8 cores and their usage also show > RAM being used. It rarely goes over 2GB - usually hovers around 1.6. > Do I have 6GB RAM that I don't need? Or is the gadget not telling me > something. > > TIA > > Rocky > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Thu Sep 15 00:11:57 2011 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 22:11:57 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Ram Usage In-Reply-To: References: <9D0341C9EA4E4E9497CE7C4D5D666121@HAL9007><768767B5350A4D0AA7C397011DFFA9A6@BPCS><4E717A02.23826.5C22AA6@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: Will work for SIMMs? -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: September 14, 2011 9:15 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Ram Usage Sheesh, I wish I had the money you guys have at your disposal. I have a mere 3GB of RAM. Any contributions shall be gratefully accepted LOL. Please send your chips to me, hopefully in the 4 GB category. Guy on the street, begging for RAM not money.... Fork off, I don't need coins, I need RAM, bloddy L. A. On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 12:07 AM, Stuart McLachlan wrote: > The primary reason my next laptop (soon I think) is going to be Win64 > with 8GB is to run multiple VMs. > > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Thu Sep 15 00:39:24 2011 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 15:39:24 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Ram Usage In-Reply-To: <8177514526DF4D11ACB49A206AC671E9@HAL9007> References: <9D0341C9EA4E4E9497CE7C4D5D666121@HAL9007>, <4E717A02.23826.5C22AA6@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>, <8177514526DF4D11ACB49A206AC671E9@HAL9007> Message-ID: <4E718F8C.2211.6164B32@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> VirtualBox -- Stuart On 14 Sep 2011 at 22:11, Rocky Smolin wrote: > What vm software do you use? > > R > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart > McLachlan Sent: September 14, 2011 9:08 PM To: Discussion of Hardware > and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Ram Usage > > The primary reason my next laptop (soon I think) is going to be Win64 > with 8GB is to run multiple VMs. > > -- > Stuart > > On 14 Sep 2011 at 20:52, Bill Patten wrote: > > > Hi Rocky, > > > > Want to see it used? Install a couple of Virtual Machines. I could > > only run one at time when I had 4G, now with 8G I can run 2 VM's. > > > > Bill > > > > -------------------------------------------------- > > From: "Rocky Smolin" > > Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 5:58 PM > > To: "List" ; "'Off Topic'" > > > > Subject: [dba-Tech] Ram Usage > > > > My new super-comp has 8GB RAM. > > > > The CPU Usage gadget which shows all 8 cores and their usage also > > show RAM being used. It rarely goes over 2GB - usually hovers > > around 1.6. Do I have 6GB RAM that I don't need? Or is the gadget > > not telling me something. > > > > TIA > > > > Rocky > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From bill_patten at embarqmail.com Thu Sep 15 01:26:43 2011 From: bill_patten at embarqmail.com (Bill Patten) Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 23:26:43 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Ram Usage In-Reply-To: References: <9D0341C9EA4E4E9497CE7C4D5D666121@HAL9007><768767B5350A4D0AA7C397011DFFA9A6@BPCS> Message-ID: I'm using Windows Virtual Machine that comes with Windows 7 64 bit. I use the built in XPMode that I use for an old copy of Quick Books and of course to test applications to make sure they work on XP and to compile ADP's that wont work on XP if compiled in Win7 SP1. I also have a Vista 32 and windows 7 32 bit for testing apps. Much more efficient than having a separate box. Bill -------------------------------------------------- From: "Rocky Smolin" Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 10:10 PM To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Ram Usage What vm software are you using? I'm thinking if I want to use 2007 & 2010 and avoid that re-install nonsense, that's probably the way to go. R -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bill Patten Sent: September 14, 2011 8:52 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Ram Usage Hi Rocky, Want to see it used? Install a couple of Virtual Machines. I could only run one at time when I had 4G, now with 8G I can run 2 VM's. Bill -------------------------------------------------- From: "Rocky Smolin" Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 5:58 PM To: "List" ; "'Off Topic'" Subject: [dba-Tech] Ram Usage My new super-comp has 8GB RAM. The CPU Usage gadget which shows all 8 cores and their usage also show RAM being used. It rarely goes over 2GB - usually hovers around 1.6. Do I have 6GB RAM that I don't need? Or is the gadget not telling me something. TIA Rocky _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From marklbreen at gmail.com Thu Sep 15 04:40:49 2011 From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen) Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 10:40:49 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Ram Usage In-Reply-To: <4E718F8C.2211.6164B32@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <9D0341C9EA4E4E9497CE7C4D5D666121@HAL9007> <4E717A02.23826.5C22AA6@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <8177514526DF4D11ACB49A206AC671E9@HAL9007> <4E718F8C.2211.6164B32@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: Hello All, I was reading about the VMWare vSphere free version this morning. If VM are market leaders, and this product is free, is it any good? I appears to be able to do a bare metal installation and may even allow some form of dynamic ram usage, so you can configure 4 VM with 4 GB each, and still load all four in a machine with 12 GB (approx) of physical ram. Is that the way to go? I did you Win 8 HyperV before, but I have to assume a light weight bare metal VM software is a better option ? thanks Mark On 15 September 2011 06:39, Stuart McLachlan wrote: > VirtualBox > > -- > Stuart > > On 14 Sep 2011 at 22:11, Rocky Smolin wrote: > > > What vm software do you use? > > > > R > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart > > McLachlan Sent: September 14, 2011 9:08 PM To: Discussion of Hardware > > and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Ram Usage > > > > The primary reason my next laptop (soon I think) is going to be Win64 > > with 8GB is to run multiple VMs. > > > > -- > > Stuart > > > > On 14 Sep 2011 at 20:52, Bill Patten wrote: > > > > > Hi Rocky, > > > > > > Want to see it used? Install a couple of Virtual Machines. I could > > > only run one at time when I had 4G, now with 8G I can run 2 VM's. > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------- > > > From: "Rocky Smolin" > > > Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 5:58 PM > > > To: "List" ; "'Off Topic'" > > > > > > Subject: [dba-Tech] Ram Usage > > > > > > My new super-comp has 8GB RAM. > > > > > > The CPU Usage gadget which shows all 8 cores and their usage also > > > show RAM being used. It rarely goes over 2GB - usually hovers > > > around 1.6. Do I have 6GB RAM that I don't need? Or is the gadget > > > not telling me something. > > > > > > TIA > > > > > > Rocky > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From Gustav at cactus.dk Thu Sep 15 06:06:53 2011 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 13:06:53 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Ram Usage Message-ID: Hi Mark What is "VMWare vSphere free version"? We use the free VMware Server extensively, it even runs the two DCs. At workstations with Win7, we use the free XP Mode for running old apps. It works very well too. /gustav >>> marklbreen at gmail.com 15-09-2011 11:40 >>> Hello All, I was reading about the VMWare vSphere free version this morning. If VM are market leaders, and this product is free, is it any good? I appears to be able to do a bare metal installation and may even allow some form of dynamic ram usage, so you can configure 4 VM with 4 GB each, and still load all four in a machine with 12 GB (approx) of physical ram. Is that the way to go? I did you Win 8 HyperV before, but I have to assume a light weight bare metal VM software is a better option ? thanks Mark From jason at purplecone.com Thu Sep 15 07:12:31 2011 From: jason at purplecone.com (Jason Strickland) Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 08:12:31 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Ram Usage In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: We use the vSphere free versions on our campus. We currently have the 3.5, 4.1 & now 5.0 installed on 6 physical servers. On each of those servers we are running 5 virtual servers with them being Windows 2003, Windows 2008 & Fedora. As long as the server is within the last 3-4 years, vSphere will work very good. On our oldest server, it is a little slower than the newer boxes when you have extensive CPU usage (such as Windows Updates). We use HP servers so we have a USB drive on the inside that we boot from instead of using the physical drives. On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 7:06 AM, Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi Mark > > What is "VMWare vSphere free version"? > We use the free VMware Server extensively, it even runs the two DCs. > > At workstations with Win7, we use the free XP Mode for running old apps. It > works very well too. > > /gustav > > > >>> marklbreen at gmail.com 15-09-2011 11:40 >>> > Hello All, > > I was reading about the VMWare vSphere free version this morning. If VM > are > market leaders, and this product is free, is it any good? > > I appears to be able to do a bare metal installation and may even allow > some > form of dynamic ram usage, so you can configure 4 VM with 4 GB each, and > still load all four in a machine with 12 GB (approx) of physical ram. > > Is that the way to go? > > I did you Win 8 HyperV before, but I have to assume a light weight bare > metal VM software is a better option ? > > thanks > Mark > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- "One reason a dog has so many friends: he wags his tail instead of his tongue." From fuller.artful at gmail.com Thu Sep 15 08:16:38 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 09:16:38 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Ram Usage In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'm growing dizzy with all these alternatives. I currently have downloaded and installed VMPlayer. Perhaps I ought to have gone with VM vSphere instead? I do like the concept of a bare-metal-build, that would seem the obvious way to go: VM is the bottom layer, atop which resides all my other installations. But first I think I'll need to beef up my RAM. I am suffering the limits of a mere 3GB of RAM at the moment. I really need to kick that up. A. On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 7:06 AM, Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi Mark > > What is "VMWare vSphere free version"? > We use the free VMware Server extensively, it even runs the two DCs. > > At workstations with Win7, we use the free XP Mode for running old apps. It > works very well too. > > /gustav > > From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Thu Sep 15 13:01:38 2011 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 04:01:38 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Ram Usage In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: <4E723D82.16000.8BDD768@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> A couple of points. AFAIK, vSPhere os commercial and doesn't have a free version. Bare bones VMs are usually restricted to running on certified components, you can't normally run them on comsumer workstations. -- Stuart On 15 Sep 2011 at 9:16, Arthur Fuller wrote: > I'm growing dizzy with all these alternatives. I currently have > downloaded and installed VMPlayer. Perhaps I ought to have gone with > VM vSphere instead? I do like the concept of a bare-metal-build, that > would seem the obvious way to go: VM is the bottom layer, atop which > resides all my other installations. But first I think I'll need to > beef up my RAM. I am suffering the limits of a mere 3GB of RAM at the > moment. I really need to kick that up. > > A. > > On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 7:06 AM, Gustav Brock > wrote: > > > Hi Mark > > > > What is "VMWare vSphere free version"? > > We use the free VMware Server extensively, it even runs the two DCs. > > > > At workstations with Win7, we use the free XP Mode for running old > > apps. It works very well too. > > > > /gustav > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Thu Sep 15 13:20:16 2011 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 11:20:16 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Ram Usage In-Reply-To: <4E723D82.16000.8BDD768@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: , <4E723D82.16000.8BDD768@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: 2-3 years back I did some virtual machines using a piece of software that I referred to by this list. But can't remember the name. It was free and very simple and effective. R -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: September 15, 2011 11:02 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Ram Usage A couple of points. AFAIK, vSPhere os commercial and doesn't have a free version. Bare bones VMs are usually restricted to running on certified components, you can't normally run them on comsumer workstations. -- Stuart On 15 Sep 2011 at 9:16, Arthur Fuller wrote: > I'm growing dizzy with all these alternatives. I currently have > downloaded and installed VMPlayer. Perhaps I ought to have gone with > VM vSphere instead? I do like the concept of a bare-metal-build, that > would seem the obvious way to go: VM is the bottom layer, atop which > resides all my other installations. But first I think I'll need to > beef up my RAM. I am suffering the limits of a mere 3GB of RAM at the > moment. I really need to kick that up. > > A. > > On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 7:06 AM, Gustav Brock > wrote: > > > Hi Mark > > > > What is "VMWare vSphere free version"? > > We use the free VMware Server extensively, it even runs the two DCs. > > > > At workstations with Win7, we use the free XP Mode for running old > > apps. It works very well too. > > > > /gustav > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From john at winhaven.net Thu Sep 15 14:02:50 2011 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 14:02:50 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Ram Usage In-Reply-To: References: , <4E723D82.16000.8BDD768@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <003f01cc73da$10e5eb70$32b1c250$@winhaven.net> Probably Virtual PC (Microsoft) or VirtualBox ( Oracle - was Sun) I use both and both are fine. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 1:20 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Ram Usage 2-3 years back I did some virtual machines using a piece of software that I referred to by this list. But can't remember the name. It was free and very simple and effective. R -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: September 15, 2011 11:02 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Ram Usage A couple of points. AFAIK, vSPhere os commercial and doesn't have a free version. Bare bones VMs are usually restricted to running on certified components, you can't normally run them on comsumer workstations. -- Stuart On 15 Sep 2011 at 9:16, Arthur Fuller wrote: > I'm growing dizzy with all these alternatives. I currently have > downloaded and installed VMPlayer. Perhaps I ought to have gone with > VM vSphere instead? I do like the concept of a bare-metal-build, that > would seem the obvious way to go: VM is the bottom layer, atop which > resides all my other installations. But first I think I'll need to > beef up my RAM. I am suffering the limits of a mere 3GB of RAM at the > moment. I really need to kick that up. > > A. > > On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 7:06 AM, Gustav Brock > wrote: > > > Hi Mark > > > > What is "VMWare vSphere free version"? > > We use the free VMware Server extensively, it even runs the two DCs. > > > > At workstations with Win7, we use the free XP Mode for running old > > apps. It works very well too. > > > > /gustav > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Thu Sep 15 15:31:11 2011 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 13:31:11 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Ram Usage In-Reply-To: <003f01cc73da$10e5eb70$32b1c250$@winhaven.net> References: , <4E723D82.16000.8BDD768@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <003f01cc73da$10e5eb70$32b1c250$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: Yeah I think it was virtual PC. R -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: September 15, 2011 12:03 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Ram Usage Probably Virtual PC (Microsoft) or VirtualBox ( Oracle - was Sun) I use both and both are fine. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 1:20 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Ram Usage 2-3 years back I did some virtual machines using a piece of software that I referred to by this list. But can't remember the name. It was free and very simple and effective. R -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: September 15, 2011 11:02 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Ram Usage A couple of points. AFAIK, vSPhere os commercial and doesn't have a free version. Bare bones VMs are usually restricted to running on certified components, you can't normally run them on comsumer workstations. -- Stuart On 15 Sep 2011 at 9:16, Arthur Fuller wrote: > I'm growing dizzy with all these alternatives. I currently have > downloaded and installed VMPlayer. Perhaps I ought to have gone with > VM vSphere instead? I do like the concept of a bare-metal-build, that > would seem the obvious way to go: VM is the bottom layer, atop which > resides all my other installations. But first I think I'll need to > beef up my RAM. I am suffering the limits of a mere 3GB of RAM at the > moment. I really need to kick that up. > > A. > > On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 7:06 AM, Gustav Brock > wrote: > > > Hi Mark > > > > What is "VMWare vSphere free version"? > > We use the free VMware Server extensively, it even runs the two DCs. > > > > At workstations with Win7, we use the free XP Mode for running old > > apps. It works very well too. > > > > /gustav > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From john at winhaven.net Thu Sep 15 15:39:59 2011 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 15:39:59 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Ram Usage In-Reply-To: References: , <4E723D82.16000.8BDD768@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <003f01cc73da$10e5eb70$32b1c250$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: <009901cc73e7$a313df90$e93b9eb0$@winhaven.net> There are some restrictions with the latest version which is why I went to Virtual Box. IIRC VPC only supports WXP and up now. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 3:31 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Ram Usage Yeah I think it was virtual PC. R -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: September 15, 2011 12:03 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Ram Usage Probably Virtual PC (Microsoft) or VirtualBox ( Oracle - was Sun) I use both and both are fine. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 1:20 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Ram Usage 2-3 years back I did some virtual machines using a piece of software that I referred to by this list. But can't remember the name. It was free and very simple and effective. R -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: September 15, 2011 11:02 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Ram Usage A couple of points. AFAIK, vSPhere os commercial and doesn't have a free version. Bare bones VMs are usually restricted to running on certified components, you can't normally run them on comsumer workstations. -- Stuart On 15 Sep 2011 at 9:16, Arthur Fuller wrote: > I'm growing dizzy with all these alternatives. I currently have > downloaded and installed VMPlayer. Perhaps I ought to have gone with > VM vSphere instead? I do like the concept of a bare-metal-build, that > would seem the obvious way to go: VM is the bottom layer, atop which > resides all my other installations. But first I think I'll need to > beef up my RAM. I am suffering the limits of a mere 3GB of RAM at the > moment. I really need to kick that up. > > A. > > On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 7:06 AM, Gustav Brock > wrote: > > > Hi Mark > > > > What is "VMWare vSphere free version"? > > We use the free VMware Server extensively, it even runs the two DCs. > > > > At workstations with Win7, we use the free XP Mode for running old > > apps. It works very well too. > > > > /gustav > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Gustav at cactus.dk Fri Sep 16 02:49:21 2011 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 09:49:21 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Ram Usage Message-ID: Hi Stuart That's my impression too. Mark, where did you locate the free VMware vSPhere? Bare bones VMs (ESXi) _are_ restricted to running on certified components. A compatibility list can be found at the VMware site. For that same reason we refrained from using the ESXi and use Windows 2003/8 64-bit as host OS. /gustav >>> stuart at lexacorp.com.pg 15-09-2011 20:01 >>> A couple of points. AFAIK, vSPhere os commercial and doesn't have a free version. Bare bones VMs are usually restricted to running on certified components, you can't normally run them on comsumer workstations. -- Stuart On 15 Sep 2011 at 9:16, Arthur Fuller wrote: > I'm growing dizzy with all these alternatives. I currently have > downloaded and installed VMPlayer. Perhaps I ought to have gone with > VM vSphere instead? I do like the concept of a bare-metal-build, that > would seem the obvious way to go: VM is the bottom layer, atop which > resides all my other installations. But first I think I'll need to > beef up my RAM. I am suffering the limits of a mere 3GB of RAM at the > moment. I really need to kick that up. > > A. > > On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 7:06 AM, Gustav Brock > wrote: > > > Hi Mark > > > > What is "VMWare vSphere free version"? > > We use the free VMware Server extensively, it even runs the two DCs. > > > > At workstations with Win7, we use the free XP Mode for running old > > apps. It works very well too. > > > > /gustav From fuller.artful at gmail.com Fri Sep 16 03:57:00 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 04:57:00 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Ram Usage In-Reply-To: References: <9D0341C9EA4E4E9497CE7C4D5D666121@HAL9007> <768767B5350A4D0AA7C397011DFFA9A6@BPCS> Message-ID: I have Windows 7 Ultimate but I cannot see VPC on my box. What is the actual filename? And am I correct in assuming that the XPMode is already aboard? Thanks in advance. Arthur On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 2:26 AM, Bill Patten wrote: > I'm using Windows Virtual Machine that comes with Windows 7 64 bit. I use > the built in XPMode that I use for an old copy of Quick Books and of course > to test applications to make sure they work on XP and to compile ADP's that > wont work on XP if compiled in Win7 SP1. > From Gustav at cactus.dk Fri Sep 16 04:23:51 2011 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 11:23:51 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Ram Usage Message-ID: Hi Arthur It's download. Just google/bing for Microsoft Windows XP Mode. /gustav >>> fuller.artful at gmail.com 16-09-2011 10:57 >>> I have Windows 7 Ultimate but I cannot see VPC on my box. What is the actual filename? And am I correct in assuming that the XPMode is already aboard? Thanks in advance. Arthur On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 2:26 AM, Bill Patten wrote: > I'm using Windows Virtual Machine that comes with Windows 7 64 bit. I use > the built in XPMode that I use for an old copy of Quick Books and of course > to test applications to make sure they work on XP and to compile ADP's that > wont work on XP if compiled in Win7 SP1. From bill_patten at embarqmail.com Fri Sep 16 09:37:08 2011 From: bill_patten at embarqmail.com (Bill Patten) Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 07:37:08 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Ram Usage In-Reply-To: References: <9D0341C9EA4E4E9497CE7C4D5D666121@HAL9007><768767B5350A4D0AA7C397011DFFA9A6@BPCS> Message-ID: Hi Arthur, I thought it was just me, I found VPCWizard.exe located in windows\system32 and loaded a couple of operating systems then decided the "built in XP" would be better so downloaded it from MS. It may be on the Win 7 install disk but I couldn't find it. I made a short cut to the wizard and have it in my toolbar. HTH Bill PS I just learned that the Windows 8 Preview will not load into VPC, but apparently will load into some of the other VM's out there. Lets see Win 8 won't run in VPC made by MS but will run on other VMs Windows Phone 7 Outlook won't sync to a PC (must use the internet), but a blackberry will. I think MS is their own worst enemy. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Arthur Fuller" Sent: Friday, September 16, 2011 1:57 AM To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Ram Usage I have Windows 7 Ultimate but I cannot see VPC on my box. What is the actual filename? And am I correct in assuming that the XPMode is already aboard? Thanks in advance. Arthur On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 2:26 AM, Bill Patten wrote: > I'm using Windows Virtual Machine that comes with Windows 7 64 bit. I use > the built in XPMode that I use for an old copy of Quick Books and of > course > to test applications to make sure they work on XP and to compile ADP's > that > wont work on XP if compiled in Win7 SP1. > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Fri Sep 16 13:03:15 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 11:03:15 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Downloading In-Reply-To: <003f01cc73da$10e5eb70$32b1c250$@winhaven.net> References: <4E723D82.16000.8BDD768@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <003f01cc73da$10e5eb70$32b1c250$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: Hi All: Can anyone recommend a app that a client can use to stabilize a long download that may drop a few times and need to be resumed with no lose of data. There use to be a application called Vampire that would retry again and again on a long modem download, but that was many years ago. In this circumstance I can not get direct access to the client so they will have to install and setup such an app themselves... I have been come so use to stable or managed data streaming that I have not thought about dropping connections for a while so any thoughts would be greatly appreciated. TIA Jim From jason at purplecone.com Fri Sep 16 13:11:36 2011 From: jason at purplecone.com (Jason Strickland) Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 14:11:36 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Downloading In-Reply-To: References: <4E723D82.16000.8BDD768@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <003f01cc73da$10e5eb70$32b1c250$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: I've been using "Free Download Manager" http://www.freedownloadmanager.org/ and I really like it. On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 2:03 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Hi All: > > Can anyone recommend a app that a client can use to stabilize a long > download that may drop a few times and need to be resumed with no lose of > data. > > There use to be a application called Vampire that would retry again and > again on a long modem download, but that was many years ago. In this > circumstance I can not get direct access to the client so they will have to > install and setup such an app themselves... > > I have been come so use to stable or managed data streaming that I have not > thought about dropping connections for a while so any thoughts would be > greatly appreciated. > > TIA > Jim > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- "One reason a dog has so many friends: he wags his tail instead of his tongue." From phil.rosenkranz at co.yakima.wa.us Fri Sep 16 13:13:18 2011 From: phil.rosenkranz at co.yakima.wa.us (Phil Rosenkranz) Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 11:13:18 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Downloading In-Reply-To: References: <4E723D82.16000.8BDD768@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <003f01cc73da$10e5eb70$32b1c250$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: I haven't used these in a long time. They worked great the last time I used them. http://www.gozilla.com/ http://filezilla-project.org/download.php Phil >-----Original Message----- >From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech- >bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence >Sent: Friday, September 16, 2011 11:03 AM >To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'; 'Access Developers >discussion and problem solving' >Subject: [dba-Tech] Downloading > >Hi All: > >Can anyone recommend a app that a client can use to stabilize a long >download that may drop a few times and need to be resumed with no >lose of >data. > >There use to be a application called Vampire that would retry again >and >again on a long modem download, but that was many years ago. In this >circumstance I can not get direct access to the client so they will have >to >install and setup such an app themselves... > >I have been come so use to stable or managed data streaming that I >have not >thought about dropping connections for a while so any thoughts would >be >greatly appreciated. > >TIA >Jim From marklbreen at gmail.com Fri Sep 16 16:52:15 2011 From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen) Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 22:52:15 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Ram Usage In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello Gustav, Sorry for the delay, I have been struggling with Win 7 and restore points for 48 hours. Sometimes I hate Microsoft. The link for free vShpere is https://www.vmware.com/tryvmware/index.php?p=free-esxi5&lp=default I like the idea of installing it in the usb and booting from that. No messing with CDs of disks. I have not installed it yet, but hope to do so soon Mark On 16 September 2011 08:49, Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi Stuart > > That's my impression too. Mark, where did you locate the free VMware > vSPhere? > > Bare bones VMs (ESXi) _are_ restricted to running on certified components. > A compatibility list can be found at the VMware site. For that same reason > we refrained from using the ESXi and use Windows 2003/8 64-bit as host OS. > > /gustav > > > >>> stuart at lexacorp.com.pg 15-09-2011 20:01 >>> > A couple of points. > AFAIK, vSPhere os commercial and doesn't have a free version. > Bare bones VMs are usually restricted to running on certified components, > you can't normally > run them on comsumer workstations. > > -- > Stuart > > > On 15 Sep 2011 at 9:16, Arthur Fuller wrote: > > > I'm growing dizzy with all these alternatives. I currently have > > downloaded and installed VMPlayer. Perhaps I ought to have gone with > > VM vSphere instead? I do like the concept of a bare-metal-build, that > > would seem the obvious way to go: VM is the bottom layer, atop which > > resides all my other installations. But first I think I'll need to > > beef up my RAM. I am suffering the limits of a mere 3GB of RAM at the > > moment. I really need to kick that up. > > > > A. > > > > On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 7:06 AM, Gustav Brock > > wrote: > > > > > Hi Mark > > > > > > What is "VMWare vSphere free version"? > > > We use the free VMware Server extensively, it even runs the two DCs. > > > > > > At workstations with Win7, we use the free XP Mode for running old > > > apps. It works very well too. > > > > > > /gustav > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From gustav at cactus.dk Fri Sep 16 17:07:42 2011 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 00:07:42 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Ram Usage Message-ID: Hi Mark OK, but that is trialware only, right? /gustav >>> marklbreen at gmail.com 16-09-2011 23:52 >>> Hello Gustav, Sorry for the delay, I have been struggling with Win 7 and restore points for 48 hours. Sometimes I hate Microsoft. The link for free vShpere is https://www.vmware.com/tryvmware/index.php?p=free-esxi5&lp=default I like the idea of installing it in the usb and booting from that. No messing with CDs of disks. I have not installed it yet, but hope to do so soon Mark On 16 September 2011 08:49, Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi Stuart > > That's my impression too. Mark, where did you locate the free VMware > vSPhere? > > Bare bones VMs (ESXi) _are_ restricted to running on certified components. > A compatibility list can be found at the VMware site. For that same reason > we refrained from using the ESXi and use Windows 2003/8 64-bit as host OS. > > /gustav > > > >>> stuart at lexacorp.com.pg 15-09-2011 20:01 >>> > A couple of points. > AFAIK, vSPhere os commercial and doesn't have a free version. > Bare bones VMs are usually restricted to running on certified components, > you can't normally > run them on comsumer workstations. > > -- > Stuart > > > On 15 Sep 2011 at 9:16, Arthur Fuller wrote: > > > I'm growing dizzy with all these alternatives. I currently have > > downloaded and installed VMPlayer. Perhaps I ought to have gone with > > VM vSphere instead? I do like the concept of a bare-metal-build, that > > would seem the obvious way to go: VM is the bottom layer, atop which > > resides all my other installations. But first I think I'll need to > > beef up my RAM. I am suffering the limits of a mere 3GB of RAM at the > > moment. I really need to kick that up. > > > > A. > > > > On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 7:06 AM, Gustav Brock > > wrote: > > > > > Hi Mark > > > > > > What is "VMWare vSphere free version"? > > > We use the free VMware Server extensively, it even runs the two DCs. > > > > > > At workstations with Win7, we use the free XP Mode for running old > > > apps. It works very well too. > > > > > > /gustav From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Fri Sep 16 18:03:00 2011 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 09:03:00 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Downloading In-Reply-To: References: , , Message-ID: <4E73D5A4.21930.EF823A4@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> I'm still using DLExpert. It never got out of Beta and it's nearly 10 years old, but it has always worked falwlessly for me. http://majorgeeks.com/DLExpert_d447.html -- Stuart On 16 Sep 2011 at 14:11, Jason Strickland wrote: > I've been using "Free Download Manager" > http://www.freedownloadmanager.org/ and I really like it. > > On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 2:03 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > > > Hi All: > > > > Can anyone recommend a app that a client can use to stabilize a long > > download that may drop a few times and need to be resumed with no > > lose of data. > > > > There use to be a application called Vampire that would retry again > > and again on a long modem download, but that was many years ago. In > > this circumstance I can not get direct access to the client so they > > will have to install and setup such an app themselves... > > > > I have been come so use to stable or managed data streaming that I > > have not thought about dropping connections for a while so any > > thoughts would be greatly appreciated. > > > > TIA > > Jim > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > -- > "One reason a dog has so many friends: he wags his tail instead of his > tongue." _______________________________________________ dba-Tech > mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From accessd at shaw.ca Fri Sep 16 22:44:11 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 20:44:11 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Downloading In-Reply-To: References: <4E723D82.16000.8BDD768@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <003f01cc73da$10e5eb70$32b1c250$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: <12B00854DB694C5BB597AA4D715084F7@creativesystemdesigns.com> Thank you Jason, Stuart and Phil: Filezilla would have been my first choice, Bit Torrent would be a interesting alternative and there is nothing like a good stable application like DLExpert that has survived for years. I used the FreeDownloadManager for a couple of years on one client's system but the copy I got kept downloading ads Thanks again for all your input. Jim PS The client just texted me and said the download went flawlessly so I guess all the backup options were not necessary but will be well worth considering in the future. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Phil Rosenkranz Sent: Friday, September 16, 2011 11:13 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Downloading I haven't used these in a long time. They worked great the last time I used them. http://www.gozilla.com/ http://filezilla-project.org/download.php Phil >-----Original Message----- >From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech- >bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence >Sent: Friday, September 16, 2011 11:03 AM >To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'; 'Access Developers >discussion and problem solving' >Subject: [dba-Tech] Downloading > >Hi All: > >Can anyone recommend a app that a client can use to stabilize a long >download that may drop a few times and need to be resumed with no >lose of >data. > >There use to be a application called Vampire that would retry again >and >again on a long modem download, but that was many years ago. In this >circumstance I can not get direct access to the client so they will have >to >install and setup such an app themselves... > >I have been come so use to stable or managed data streaming that I >have not >thought about dropping connections for a while so any thoughts would >be >greatly appreciated. > >TIA >Jim _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Fri Sep 16 22:46:10 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 20:46:10 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] The browser wars In-Reply-To: <4E73D5A4.21930.EF823A4@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <4E73D5A4.21930.EF823A4@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: The browser wars continue and here is some comentary on the latest stats on who is failing behind and who is pulling ahead. http://www.conceivablytech.com/9349/business/rapid-release-process-dissected -google-is-winning-the-browser-war Jim From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sat Sep 17 10:04:30 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 11:04:30 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 8 Developer Preview Message-ID: Anyone besides me downloaded this baby yet? I haven't installed it yet but plan to this afternoon, in a VM. Since MS put it up, over half a million people have downloaded it. Arthur From john at winhaven.net Sat Sep 17 10:24:38 2011 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 10:24:38 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] The browser wars In-Reply-To: References: <4E73D5A4.21930.EF823A4@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <017a01cc754d$ea358790$bea096b0$@winhaven.net> Not surprising, everything android comes with chrome. There are probably as many phones and tablets browsing now as pcs. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Friday, September 16, 2011 10:46 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] The browser wars The browser wars continue and here is some comentary on the latest stats on who is failing behind and who is pulling ahead. http://www.conceivablytech.com/9349/business/rapid-release-process-dissected -google-is-winning-the-browser-war Jim _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From john at winhaven.net Sat Sep 17 12:17:29 2011 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 12:17:29 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] The browser wars In-Reply-To: References: <4E73D5A4.21930.EF823A4@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <01c201cc755d$ae0f0510$0a2d0f30$@winhaven.net> Oh, and not that I'm cynical or anything ;o) but did you see the advertising splashed all over that page? Coincidence? -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Friday, September 16, 2011 10:46 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] The browser wars The browser wars continue and here is some comentary on the latest stats on who is failing behind and who is pulling ahead. http://www.conceivablytech.com/9349/business/rapid-release-process-dissected -google-is-winning-the-browser-war Jim _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Sat Sep 17 12:34:40 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 10:34:40 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] The browser wars In-Reply-To: <01c201cc755d$ae0f0510$0a2d0f30$@winhaven.net> References: <4E73D5A4.21930.EF823A4@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <01c201cc755d$ae0f0510$0a2d0f30$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: <1A426CCF24EB4F05AD65B7A15C261260@creativesystemdesigns.com> Haha...I did spot Google at the top of the page but the ad keeps changing... Changing topics: Here is another link from that page worthy of comment: http://www.conceivablytech.com/9371/products/rimac-announces-1073-hp-electri c-supercar There just is no substitute for horsepower. I guess it will be a while before these babies are mass produced? Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2011 10:17 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] The browser wars Oh, and not that I'm cynical or anything ;o) but did you see the advertising splashed all over that page? Coincidence? -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Friday, September 16, 2011 10:46 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] The browser wars The browser wars continue and here is some comentary on the latest stats on who is failing behind and who is pulling ahead. http://www.conceivablytech.com/9349/business/rapid-release-process-dissected -google-is-winning-the-browser-war Jim _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sat Sep 17 20:44:26 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 21:44:26 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] I've forgotten the numbers Message-ID: Assuming an AMD dual-core processor and a Windows 7 or Ubuntu 64-bit, how much RAM am I allowed to have? And is there a restriction on cores? All I have at the moment is dual-core and 4GB RAM but I am willing to beef that up to the max on both platforms. What is the max? I have a feeling it's 8Gb but I have been wrong before and this would be no exception. 8 ought to suffice for my humble needs, but just wondering. (Bear in mind that I have retired from the field and am in it strictly as a hobbyist now. Not a lot of budget, no active clients, just my meager pension to carry me through; if anything costs more than $99 I probably can't carry it.) TIA, Arthur From erbachs at gmail.com Sun Sep 18 05:09:31 2011 From: erbachs at gmail.com (Steve Erbach) Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 05:09:31 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] I've forgotten the numbers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Arthur, This page seems to lay it all out. The limits are different based on the version of Windows 7 that you have: Regards, Steve Erbach Neenah, WI On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 8:44 PM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > Assuming an AMD dual-core processor and a Windows 7 or Ubuntu 64-bit, how > much RAM am I allowed to have? And is there a restriction on cores? All I > have at the moment is dual-core and 4GB RAM but I am willing to beef that up > to the max on both platforms. What is the max? I have a feeling it's 8Gb but > I have been wrong before and this would be no exception. 8 ought to suffice > for my humble needs, but just wondering. (Bear in mind that I have retired > from the field and am in it strictly as a hobbyist now. Not a lot of budget, > no active clients, just my meager pension to carry me through; if anything > costs more than $99 I probably can't carry it.) > > TIA, > Arthur > _______________________________________________ From erbachs at gmail.com Sun Sep 18 05:19:01 2011 From: erbachs at gmail.com (Steve Erbach) Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 05:19:01 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 8 Developer Preview In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Arthur, One of the teachers at the local technical college (Fox Valley Technical College in Appleton, WI) came in at the tail-end of one of the evening classes I'm taking to show Windows 8 to our instructor. This guy had a 4-year-old tablet PC -- with the swiveling monitor that can lay flat for pen input -- that looked as if it had been dragged behind a car. But, by golly, it ran the dev edition of Windows 8. I thought it was very interesting. Apparently, the handwriting recognition is phenomenal. My instructor scratched out a few words and I saw his eyebrows go up as Windows correctly deciphered his words as fast as he wrote them. Clearly Microsoft is pursuing the entire mobile market. Regards, Steve Erbach Neenah, WI On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 10:04 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > Anyone besides me downloaded this baby yet? I haven't installed it yet but > plan to this afternoon, in a VM. > > Since MS put it up, over half a million people have downloaded it. > > Arthur > _______________________________________________ > From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sun Sep 18 09:10:32 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 10:10:32 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 8 Developer Preview In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: All points taken, but the real test is deciphering the handwriting of physicians! However, that test appears obsolete, at least in this province of Canada. My physician gave me a printout not a handwritten note. Perhaps they too have been compromised by the data-world-machine-eating-everything insane robotic culture. Pretty soon a robot will be examining me, not a very lovely Cantonese-speaking (sadly, married) woman. Perhaps robots can learn Cantonese more quickly than I. That would really make me feel worthless. I've been trying for a couple of years; please don't tell me that a robot can learn in six weeks! Help! The robots are coming! What is this poor boy to do? Perhaps negotiate. We are the Palestinians and the robots are Israel: is there any chance for the Gaza strip? Yikes, I don't like these analogies! A. From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sun Sep 18 09:38:58 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 10:38:58 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] I've forgotten the numbers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thx, I shal check this link out, Arthur From marklbreen at gmail.com Sun Sep 18 10:10:58 2011 From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen) Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 16:10:58 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Ram Usage In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Gustav, A few things to report since Friday night. I downloaded and installed vSphere on to bare metal. Whole process took not more than 15 mins. I used a program named UnBootin to create a bootable USB Stick from the ISO image so I do not have to mess around with old fashioned CDs. UnBootin works really great. I have registered and requested an licence key from VMware and have recieved it, but I have not entered it yet, because for some reason, I only requested 1 and I am anxious not to waste it in case I struggle to get another. Having said that, I can apply with a different email and I suppose they will just give me another few. You can read all about the free vShpere here When I enter the key, and if it works, I will let you know. Once I did the 15 mins to get the image, make a bootable USB from the ISO and then boot the machine, I installed it all on a little AMD Phenon II quad core machine I happpen to have here. The dos type screen just has a few settings to set your network values. It can do nothing else. The next step is to download and install the Vmware client tools which are amazing. Once I did that I kicked off three VM's (Ubuntu, XP and Win7), told VMWare to allocate 4 GB each, and powered them up (My little AMD box only has 4 gb in total) but VMware can dynamically allocate the RAM - really cool stuff. I have some more playing to do with it, but for now, I am shocked at how good it is and would never again consider playing with Virtual PC or Win2k8 and its HyperV. BTW, I am trying to learn a little about Linux as well at the moment, Natty Narwhal ! Mark On 16 September 2011 23:07, Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi Mark > > OK, but that is trialware only, right? > > /gustav > > >>> marklbreen at gmail.com 16-09-2011 23:52 >>> > Hello Gustav, > > Sorry for the delay, I have been struggling with Win 7 and restore points > for 48 hours. Sometimes I hate Microsoft. > > The link for free vShpere is > https://www.vmware.com/tryvmware/index.php?p=free-esxi5&lp=default > > I like the idea of installing it in the usb and booting from that. No > messing with CDs of disks. > > I have not installed it yet, but hope to do so soon > > Mark > > > On 16 September 2011 08:49, Gustav Brock wrote: > > > Hi Stuart > > > > That's my impression too. Mark, where did you locate the free VMware > > vSPhere? > > > > Bare bones VMs (ESXi) _are_ restricted to running on certified > components. > > A compatibility list can be found at the VMware site. For that same > reason > > we refrained from using the ESXi and use Windows 2003/8 64-bit as host > OS. > > > > /gustav > > > > > > >>> stuart at lexacorp.com.pg 15-09-2011 20:01 >>> > > A couple of points. > > AFAIK, vSPhere os commercial and doesn't have a free version. > > Bare bones VMs are usually restricted to running on certified components, > > you can't normally > > run them on comsumer workstations. > > > > -- > > Stuart > > > > > > On 15 Sep 2011 at 9:16, Arthur Fuller wrote: > > > > > I'm growing dizzy with all these alternatives. I currently have > > > downloaded and installed VMPlayer. Perhaps I ought to have gone with > > > VM vSphere instead? I do like the concept of a bare-metal-build, that > > > would seem the obvious way to go: VM is the bottom layer, atop which > > > resides all my other installations. But first I think I'll need to > > > beef up my RAM. I am suffering the limits of a mere 3GB of RAM at the > > > moment. I really need to kick that up. > > > > > > A. > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 7:06 AM, Gustav Brock > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Hi Mark > > > > > > > > What is "VMWare vSphere free version"? > > > > We use the free VMware Server extensively, it even runs the two DCs. > > > > > > > > At workstations with Win7, we use the free XP Mode for running old > > > > apps. It works very well too. > > > > > > > > /gustav > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From accessd at shaw.ca Sun Sep 18 10:18:58 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 08:18:58 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] I've forgotten the numbers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5841CD9B112F4A998122E1B408580F27@creativesystemdesigns.com> That is hardware dependant. 16GB sounds like a good max for a desktop box but for servers type motherboards; I have heard of as much as 128GB. There is an OS componenet to this of course. Windows7 might have a 16GB limit but Ubuntu 64 bit server is unlimited (multiple pente-bytes). Check your computer and see how many RAM slots you have...are they fully populated? Check the motherboard, online and see what type of RAM is needed. There is many variations. If you do decide to upgrade, you could just take one of the sticks with you to the shop for reference. We have a number of computer shops that sell second hand systems and components on consignment or straight sales. There is also the Sally-Anne which has 100s of older systems dumped on them in a day and they will bargain. I am sure there are dozens of places like that in Toronto. Depending on what, you should be able to pick up some RAM at 50 percent or more off. Then there is eBay...a friend picked up a $2000+ server for around $250. HTH Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2011 6:44 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] I've forgotten the numbers Assuming an AMD dual-core processor and a Windows 7 or Ubuntu 64-bit, how much RAM am I allowed to have? And is there a restriction on cores? All I have at the moment is dual-core and 4GB RAM but I am willing to beef that up to the max on both platforms. What is the max? I have a feeling it's 8Gb but I have been wrong before and this would be no exception. 8 ought to suffice for my humble needs, but just wondering. (Bear in mind that I have retired from the field and am in it strictly as a hobbyist now. Not a lot of budget, no active clients, just my meager pension to carry me through; if anything costs more than $99 I probably can't carry it.) TIA, Arthur _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Sun Sep 18 10:25:02 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 08:25:02 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 8 Developer Preview In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <85DBD57959B144C0822CF96737727BA5@creativesystemdesigns.com> Don't worry Arthur we still have a few years before we are obsolete. ;-) I personally plan to keep working until no one else is working and then I can comfortable retire knowing I have done my job. I am sure, by that time there will be plenty of interment camps for all those displaced. ;-) Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2011 7:11 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows 8 Developer Preview All points taken, but the real test is deciphering the handwriting of physicians! However, that test appears obsolete, at least in this province of Canada. My physician gave me a printout not a handwritten note. Perhaps they too have been compromised by the data-world-machine-eating-everything insane robotic culture. Pretty soon a robot will be examining me, not a very lovely Cantonese-speaking (sadly, married) woman. Perhaps robots can learn Cantonese more quickly than I. That would really make me feel worthless. I've been trying for a couple of years; please don't tell me that a robot can learn in six weeks! Help! The robots are coming! What is this poor boy to do? Perhaps negotiate. We are the Palestinians and the robots are Israel: is there any chance for the Gaza strip? Yikes, I don't like these analogies! A. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From gustav at cactus.dk Sun Sep 18 13:55:14 2011 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 20:55:14 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] VMware vSphere Hypervisor (was: Ram Usage) Message-ID: Hi Mark Thanks! Don't know why I couldn't locate that link. Anyway, it seems that the ESXi has been rebranded and it supports 32 GB ram. /gustav >>> marklbreen at gmail.com 18-09-2011 17:10 >>> Hi Gustav, A few things to report since Friday night. I downloaded and installed vSphere on to bare metal. Whole process took not more than 15 mins. I used a program named UnBootin to create a bootable USB Stick from the ISO image so I do not have to mess around with old fashioned CDs. UnBootin works really great. I have registered and requested an licence key from VMware and have recieved it, but I have not entered it yet, because for some reason, I only requested 1 and I am anxious not to waste it in case I struggle to get another. Having said that, I can apply with a different email and I suppose they will just give me another few. You can read all about the free vShpere here When I enter the key, and if it works, I will let you know. Once I did the 15 mins to get the image, make a bootable USB from the ISO and then boot the machine, I installed it all on a little AMD Phenon II quad core machine I happpen to have here. The dos type screen just has a few settings to set your network values. It can do nothing else. The next step is to download and install the Vmware client tools which are amazing. Once I did that I kicked off three VM's (Ubuntu, XP and Win7), told VMWare to allocate 4 GB each, and powered them up (My little AMD box only has 4 gb in total) but VMware can dynamically allocate the RAM - really cool stuff. I have some more playing to do with it, but for now, I am shocked at how good it is and would never again consider playing with Virtual PC or Win2k8 and its HyperV. BTW, I am trying to learn a little about Linux as well at the moment, Natty Narwhal ! Mark On 16 September 2011 23:07, Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi Mark > > OK, but that is trialware only, right? > > /gustav > > >>> marklbreen at gmail.com 16-09-2011 23:52 >>> > Hello Gustav, > > Sorry for the delay, I have been struggling with Win 7 and restore points > for 48 hours. Sometimes I hate Microsoft. > > The link for free vShpere is > https://www.vmware.com/tryvmware/index.php?p=free-esxi5&lp=default > > I like the idea of installing it in the usb and booting from that. No > messing with CDs of disks. > > I have not installed it yet, but hope to do so soon > > Mark From marklbreen at gmail.com Mon Sep 19 03:28:11 2011 From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 09:28:11 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Linux and Firefox Message-ID: Hello All, Hope you do not mind me changing the subject on this discussion. Francisco mentions below that he uses Firefox on Linux. Over the weekend, I tried to book online for Dublin Airport car park using Linux and FF. However, the site informed me that they do not currently support this phone browser and to try a regular PC. Well I guess I can understand what caused that wrong message, but I was disappointed that I had to go upstairs to my windows machine. To gently tease the kids, I also took a printscreen of their old Windows desktop and set it as the desktop on the linux installation. Their heads were messed up because they could see the Windows icons, but still they were on linux :) Mark On 19 September 2011 00:09, Francisco Tapia wrote: > Another thing you can attempt is to setup a Linux virtual machine > that would prevent hackers from reaching your personal data directly. > I really won't surf the net on Internet explorer (any version). I only > use Firefox with noscript and on a Linux machine helps to obfuscate as > much direct contact as possible... > > Sent from my mobile > > From marklbreen at gmail.com Mon Sep 19 03:37:04 2011 From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 09:37:04 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] 666+666=? Message-ID: Hello All, I wanted to share a little humour if you do not mind. Last week my kids were practicing their mental arithmetic, initially doing sums like 11 + 7 etc. Then they started getting excited because they noticed they could add 111+111 I gently lead them along doing 222+222 and 333+333. Of course, the answer is Six Hundred and Sixty Six We then got to 444+444 and both Max and Rowena (they are nine) shouted out Eight hundred and Eighty Eight. There was glee in their voices at that stratospheric heights they were now capable of. So next I said "OK, whats 666+666". Rowena was silent as she realised it was not so simple, but without hesitation, Max responded with "Twelve Hundred and Twelvety Twelveth" Hope you like it, Mark From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Sep 19 08:44:06 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 06:44:06 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Linux and Firefox In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Mark: That happens more frequently than you would guess. Many of my sites will not run on IE as the clients are unwilling to pay the extra dollars for the extra coding necessary. It has not been until recently, that IE (IE9), has supported HTML5 or CSS3. Some web programmer did the reverse and built the site only for IE. You could try the Linux Chrome browser, Chromium and see if you have better luck. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 1:28 AM To: Discussion concerning MS SQL Server; Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Linux and Firefox Hello All, Hope you do not mind me changing the subject on this discussion. Francisco mentions below that he uses Firefox on Linux. Over the weekend, I tried to book online for Dublin Airport car park using Linux and FF. However, the site informed me that they do not currently support this phone browser and to try a regular PC. Well I guess I can understand what caused that wrong message, but I was disappointed that I had to go upstairs to my windows machine. To gently tease the kids, I also took a printscreen of their old Windows desktop and set it as the desktop on the linux installation. Their heads were messed up because they could see the Windows icons, but still they were on linux :) Mark On 19 September 2011 00:09, Francisco Tapia wrote: > Another thing you can attempt is to setup a Linux virtual machine > that would prevent hackers from reaching your personal data directly. > I really won't surf the net on Internet explorer (any version). I only > use Firefox with noscript and on a Linux machine helps to obfuscate as > much direct contact as possible... > > Sent from my mobile > > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From john at winhaven.net Mon Sep 19 10:55:44 2011 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 10:55:44 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Linux and Firefox In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <027601cc76e4$9759fd60$c60df820$@winhaven.net> I get some pretty strange messages on my android tablet. One app, IIRC Flash, would not download to my iPad because Apple does not support it. Nice slap in the face Adobe. First inferring that _I_ bought an iPad and second suggesting that Apple has anything to say about Android. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 8:44 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Linux and Firefox Hi Mark: That happens more frequently than you would guess. Many of my sites will not run on IE as the clients are unwilling to pay the extra dollars for the extra coding necessary. It has not been until recently, that IE (IE9), has supported HTML5 or CSS3. Some web programmer did the reverse and built the site only for IE. You could try the Linux Chrome browser, Chromium and see if you have better luck. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 1:28 AM To: Discussion concerning MS SQL Server; Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Linux and Firefox Hello All, Hope you do not mind me changing the subject on this discussion. Francisco mentions below that he uses Firefox on Linux. Over the weekend, I tried to book online for Dublin Airport car park using Linux and FF. However, the site informed me that they do not currently support this phone browser and to try a regular PC. Well I guess I can understand what caused that wrong message, but I was disappointed that I had to go upstairs to my windows machine. To gently tease the kids, I also took a printscreen of their old Windows desktop and set it as the desktop on the linux installation. Their heads were messed up because they could see the Windows icons, but still they were on linux :) Mark On 19 September 2011 00:09, Francisco Tapia wrote: > Another thing you can attempt is to setup a Linux virtual machine > that would prevent hackers from reaching your personal data directly. > I really won't surf the net on Internet explorer (any version). I only > use Firefox with noscript and on a Linux machine helps to obfuscate as > much direct contact as possible... > > Sent from my mobile > > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From john at winhaven.net Mon Sep 19 10:55:44 2011 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 10:55:44 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] 666+666=? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <027701cc76e4$978998e0$c69ccaa0$@winhaven.net> Funny! -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 3:37 AM To: Discussion concerning MS SQL Server; Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] 666+666=? Hello All, I wanted to share a little humour if you do not mind. Last week my kids were practicing their mental arithmetic, initially doing sums like 11 + 7 etc. Then they started getting excited because they noticed they could add 111+111 I gently lead them along doing 222+222 and 333+333. Of course, the answer is Six Hundred and Sixty Six We then got to 444+444 and both Max and Rowena (they are nine) shouted out Eight hundred and Eighty Eight. There was glee in their voices at that stratospheric heights they were now capable of. So next I said "OK, whats 666+666". Rowena was silent as she realised it was not so simple, but without hesitation, Max responded with "Twelve Hundred and Twelvety Twelveth" Hope you like it, Mark _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From tinanfields at torchlake.com Mon Sep 19 12:44:58 2011 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 13:44:58 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] 666+666=? In-Reply-To: <027701cc76e4$978998e0$c69ccaa0$@winhaven.net> References: <027701cc76e4$978998e0$c69ccaa0$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: <4E777F9A.3000401@torchlake.com> Wonderful! 666 + 666 is indeed 1200 (twelve hundred) + 120 (twelvety) + 12 (twelve) - absolutely right on! I love it! T Tina Norris Fields tinanfields at torchlake.com 231-322-2787 On 9/19/2011 11:55 AM, John Bartow wrote: > Funny! > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen > Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 3:37 AM > To: Discussion concerning MS SQL Server; Discussion of Hardware and Software > issues > Subject: [dba-Tech] 666+666=? > > Hello All, > > I wanted to share a little humour if you do not mind. > > Last week my kids were practicing their mental arithmetic, initially doing > sums like 11 + 7 etc. > > Then they started getting excited because they noticed they could add > 111+111 > > I gently lead them along doing 222+222 and 333+333. Of course, the answer > is Six Hundred and Sixty Six We then got to 444+444 and both Max and Rowena > (they are nine) shouted out Eight hundred and Eighty Eight. There was glee > in their voices at that stratospheric heights they were now capable of. > > So next I said "OK, whats 666+666". Rowena was silent as she realised it > was not so simple, but without hesitation, Max responded with "Twelve > Hundred and Twelvety Twelveth" > > Hope you like it, > > Mark > From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Sep 19 15:22:02 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 13:22:02 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Linux and Firefox In-Reply-To: <027601cc76e4$9759fd60$c60df820$@winhaven.net> References: <027601cc76e4$9759fd60$c60df820$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: It appears that both Silverlight (what a waste of money if it was expected to be a Flash replacement) and Flash, are on their way out. Adobe has even created a new product called Edge, which will create Flash like browser results but uses HTML5 and CSS3. (Free for download: http://tinyurl.com/6adgd4t as they are looking for early adopters in the developer's community.) You are going to run into these issues for a while as one product is being phased out and being replaced by another. Android still supports Flash as Google is the proud owner of YouTube but a replacement technology is in the works as so many Flash experts are also migrating and want to have a solid alternative. There are now, many free Flash website designs, as companies are shedding their stables of Flash inventory and are now using them as bait, to attract potential clients to their sites. It will probably take 2 to 5 years before Flash is finally gone. There is a general trend in the developer's community to not embrace a closed standard, as if history is any indication, a person's career can be jeopardized when a company decides to no longer support one of their products and huge costs are incurred buying into a new closed technology, starting with huge time waste, as well as poorer products, until sufficient skill-sets have been obtained. MS Access comes to mind. Long live Open Source standards. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 8:56 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Linux and Firefox I get some pretty strange messages on my android tablet. One app, IIRC Flash, would not download to my iPad because Apple does not support it. Nice slap in the face Adobe. First inferring that _I_ bought an iPad and second suggesting that Apple has anything to say about Android. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 8:44 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Linux and Firefox Hi Mark: That happens more frequently than you would guess. Many of my sites will not run on IE as the clients are unwilling to pay the extra dollars for the extra coding necessary. It has not been until recently, that IE (IE9), has supported HTML5 or CSS3. Some web programmer did the reverse and built the site only for IE. You could try the Linux Chrome browser, Chromium and see if you have better luck. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 1:28 AM To: Discussion concerning MS SQL Server; Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Linux and Firefox Hello All, Hope you do not mind me changing the subject on this discussion. Francisco mentions below that he uses Firefox on Linux. Over the weekend, I tried to book online for Dublin Airport car park using Linux and FF. However, the site informed me that they do not currently support this phone browser and to try a regular PC. Well I guess I can understand what caused that wrong message, but I was disappointed that I had to go upstairs to my windows machine. To gently tease the kids, I also took a printscreen of their old Windows desktop and set it as the desktop on the linux installation. Their heads were messed up because they could see the Windows icons, but still they were on linux :) Mark On 19 September 2011 00:09, Francisco Tapia wrote: > Another thing you can attempt is to setup a Linux virtual machine > that would prevent hackers from reaching your personal data directly. > I really won't surf the net on Internet explorer (any version). I only > use Firefox with noscript and on a Linux machine helps to obfuscate as > much direct contact as possible... > > Sent from my mobile > > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Sep 19 15:23:52 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 13:23:52 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] 666+666=? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0AADAC13CF1E46038ED7757EDAFF1E7B@creativesystemdesigns.com> Perfect, love it. A real bright little penny you have there. ;-) Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 1:37 AM To: Discussion concerning MS SQL Server; Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] 666+666=? Hello All, I wanted to share a little humour if you do not mind. Last week my kids were practicing their mental arithmetic, initially doing sums like 11 + 7 etc. Then they started getting excited because they noticed they could add 111+111 I gently lead them along doing 222+222 and 333+333. Of course, the answer is Six Hundred and Sixty Six We then got to 444+444 and both Max and Rowena (they are nine) shouted out Eight hundred and Eighty Eight. There was glee in their voices at that stratospheric heights they were now capable of. So next I said "OK, whats 666+666". Rowena was silent as she realised it was not so simple, but without hesitation, Max responded with "Twelve Hundred and Twelvety Twelveth" Hope you like it, Mark _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From john at winhaven.net Mon Sep 19 16:30:49 2011 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 16:30:49 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Linux and Firefox In-Reply-To: References: <027601cc76e4$9759fd60$c60df820$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: <008201cc7713$66c80410$34580c30$@winhaven.net> Yea, I've had Flash Professional for a couple of year snow but decided against using it. I think Silverlight is a better alternative but with CSS3 and HTML5 what's the point? Unfortunately it's the lag time that is the PITA for end users. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 3:22 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Linux and Firefox It appears that both Silverlight (what a waste of money if it was expected to be a Flash replacement) and Flash, are on their way out. Adobe has even created a new product called Edge, which will create Flash like browser results but uses HTML5 and CSS3. (Free for download: http://tinyurl.com/6adgd4t as they are looking for early adopters in the developer's community.) You are going to run into these issues for a while as one product is being phased out and being replaced by another. Android still supports Flash as Google is the proud owner of YouTube but a replacement technology is in the works as so many Flash experts are also migrating and want to have a solid alternative. There are now, many free Flash website designs, as companies are shedding their stables of Flash inventory and are now using them as bait, to attract potential clients to their sites. It will probably take 2 to 5 years before Flash is finally gone. There is a general trend in the developer's community to not embrace a closed standard, as if history is any indication, a person's career can be jeopardized when a company decides to no longer support one of their products and huge costs are incurred buying into a new closed technology, starting with huge time waste, as well as poorer products, until sufficient skill-sets have been obtained. MS Access comes to mind. Long live Open Source standards. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 8:56 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Linux and Firefox I get some pretty strange messages on my android tablet. One app, IIRC Flash, would not download to my iPad because Apple does not support it. Nice slap in the face Adobe. First inferring that _I_ bought an iPad and second suggesting that Apple has anything to say about Android. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 8:44 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Linux and Firefox Hi Mark: That happens more frequently than you would guess. Many of my sites will not run on IE as the clients are unwilling to pay the extra dollars for the extra coding necessary. It has not been until recently, that IE (IE9), has supported HTML5 or CSS3. Some web programmer did the reverse and built the site only for IE. You could try the Linux Chrome browser, Chromium and see if you have better luck. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 1:28 AM To: Discussion concerning MS SQL Server; Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Linux and Firefox Hello All, Hope you do not mind me changing the subject on this discussion. Francisco mentions below that he uses Firefox on Linux. Over the weekend, I tried to book online for Dublin Airport car park using Linux and FF. However, the site informed me that they do not currently support this phone browser and to try a regular PC. Well I guess I can understand what caused that wrong message, but I was disappointed that I had to go upstairs to my windows machine. To gently tease the kids, I also took a printscreen of their old Windows desktop and set it as the desktop on the linux installation. Their heads were messed up because they could see the Windows icons, but still they were on linux :) Mark On 19 September 2011 00:09, Francisco Tapia wrote: > Another thing you can attempt is to setup a Linux virtual machine > that would prevent hackers from reaching your personal data directly. > I really won't surf the net on Internet explorer (any version). I only > use Firefox with noscript and on a Linux machine helps to obfuscate as > much direct contact as possible... > > Sent from my mobile > > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From peter.brawley at earthlink.net Mon Sep 19 16:37:19 2011 From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 16:37:19 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Linux and Firefox In-Reply-To: References: <027601cc76e4$9759fd60$c60df820$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: <4E77B60F.2030504@earthlink.net> On 9/19/2011 3:22 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > It appears that both Silverlight (what a waste of money if it was expected > to be a Flash replacement) and Flash, are on their way out. Six cheers! PB ----- > Adobe has even > created a new product called Edge, which will create Flash like browser > results but uses HTML5 and CSS3. (Free for download: > http://tinyurl.com/6adgd4t as they are looking for early adopters in the > developer's community.) > > You are going to run into these issues for a while as one product is being > phased out and being replaced by another. > > Android still supports Flash as Google is the proud owner of YouTube but a > replacement technology is in the works as so many Flash experts are also > migrating and want to have a solid alternative. > > There are now, many free Flash website designs, as companies are shedding > their stables of Flash inventory and are now using them as bait, to attract > potential clients to their sites. It will probably take 2 to 5 years before > Flash is finally gone. > > There is a general trend in the developer's community to not embrace a > closed standard, as if history is any indication, a person's career can be > jeopardized when a company decides to no longer support one of their > products and huge costs are incurred buying into a new closed technology, > starting with huge time waste, as well as poorer products, until sufficient > skill-sets have been obtained. > > MS Access comes to mind. Long live Open Source standards. > > Jim > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow > Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 8:56 AM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Linux and Firefox > > I get some pretty strange messages on my android tablet. One app, IIRC > Flash, would not download to my iPad because Apple does not support it. Nice > slap in the face Adobe. First inferring that _I_ bought an iPad and second > suggesting that Apple has anything to say about Android. > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence > Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 8:44 AM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Linux and Firefox > > Hi Mark: > > That happens more frequently than you would guess. Many of my sites will not > run on IE as the clients are unwilling to pay the extra dollars for the > extra coding necessary. It has not been until recently, that IE (IE9), has > supported HTML5 or CSS3. Some web programmer did the reverse and built the > site only for IE. > > You could try the Linux Chrome browser, Chromium and see if you have better > luck. > > Jim > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen > Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 1:28 AM > To: Discussion concerning MS SQL Server; Discussion of Hardware and Software > issues > Subject: [dba-Tech] Linux and Firefox > > Hello All, > > Hope you do not mind me changing the subject on this discussion. > > Francisco mentions below that he uses Firefox on Linux. Over the weekend, I > tried to book online for Dublin Airport car park using Linux and FF. > However, the site informed me that they do not currently support this phone > browser and to try a regular PC. > > Well I guess I can understand what caused that wrong message, but I was > disappointed that I had to go upstairs to my windows machine. > > To gently tease the kids, I also took a printscreen of their old Windows > desktop and set it as the desktop on the linux installation. Their heads > were messed up because they could see the Windows icons, but still they were > on linux :) > > Mark > > > On 19 September 2011 00:09, Francisco Tapia wrote: > >> Another thing you can attempt is to setup a Linux virtual machine >> that would prevent hackers from reaching your personal data directly. >> I really won't surf the net on Internet explorer (any version). I only >> use Firefox with noscript and on a Linux machine helps to obfuscate as >> much direct contact as possible... >> >> Sent from my mobile >> >> > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From john at winhaven.net Mon Sep 19 16:56:04 2011 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 16:56:04 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Linux and Firefox In-Reply-To: References: <027601cc76e4$9759fd60$c60df820$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: <008801cc7716$ed7e6050$c87b20f0$@winhaven.net> BTW Edge only runs on Vista and W7 - no XP -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 3:22 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Linux and Firefox It appears that both Silverlight (what a waste of money if it was expected to be a Flash replacement) and Flash, are on their way out. Adobe has even created a new product called Edge, which will create Flash like browser results but uses HTML5 and CSS3. (Free for download: http://tinyurl.com/6adgd4t as they are looking for early adopters in the developer's community.) You are going to run into these issues for a while as one product is being phased out and being replaced by another. Android still supports Flash as Google is the proud owner of YouTube but a replacement technology is in the works as so many Flash experts are also migrating and want to have a solid alternative. There are now, many free Flash website designs, as companies are shedding their stables of Flash inventory and are now using them as bait, to attract potential clients to their sites. It will probably take 2 to 5 years before Flash is finally gone. There is a general trend in the developer's community to not embrace a closed standard, as if history is any indication, a person's career can be jeopardized when a company decides to no longer support one of their products and huge costs are incurred buying into a new closed technology, starting with huge time waste, as well as poorer products, until sufficient skill-sets have been obtained. MS Access comes to mind. Long live Open Source standards. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 8:56 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Linux and Firefox I get some pretty strange messages on my android tablet. One app, IIRC Flash, would not download to my iPad because Apple does not support it. Nice slap in the face Adobe. First inferring that _I_ bought an iPad and second suggesting that Apple has anything to say about Android. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 8:44 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Linux and Firefox Hi Mark: That happens more frequently than you would guess. Many of my sites will not run on IE as the clients are unwilling to pay the extra dollars for the extra coding necessary. It has not been until recently, that IE (IE9), has supported HTML5 or CSS3. Some web programmer did the reverse and built the site only for IE. You could try the Linux Chrome browser, Chromium and see if you have better luck. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 1:28 AM To: Discussion concerning MS SQL Server; Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Linux and Firefox Hello All, Hope you do not mind me changing the subject on this discussion. Francisco mentions below that he uses Firefox on Linux. Over the weekend, I tried to book online for Dublin Airport car park using Linux and FF. However, the site informed me that they do not currently support this phone browser and to try a regular PC. Well I guess I can understand what caused that wrong message, but I was disappointed that I had to go upstairs to my windows machine. To gently tease the kids, I also took a printscreen of their old Windows desktop and set it as the desktop on the linux installation. Their heads were messed up because they could see the Windows icons, but still they were on linux :) Mark On 19 September 2011 00:09, Francisco Tapia wrote: > Another thing you can attempt is to setup a Linux virtual machine > that would prevent hackers from reaching your personal data directly. > I really won't surf the net on Internet explorer (any version). I only > use Firefox with noscript and on a Linux machine helps to obfuscate as > much direct contact as possible... > > Sent from my mobile > > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From marklbreen at gmail.com Mon Sep 19 17:46:58 2011 From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 23:46:58 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Linux and Firefox In-Reply-To: References: <027601cc76e4$9759fd60$c60df820$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: Hi Jim, Not sure what you mean by >MS Access comes to mind. Long live Open Source standards. do you mean that Access is slowing dying ? have I missed an elephant in the room? thanks Mark On 19 September 2011 21:22, Jim Lawrence wrote: > It appears that both Silverlight (what a waste of money if it was expected > to be a Flash replacement) and Flash, are on their way out. Adobe has even > created a new product called Edge, which will create Flash like browser > results but uses HTML5 and CSS3. (Free for download: > http://tinyurl.com/6adgd4t as they are looking for early adopters in the > developer's community.) > > You are going to run into these issues for a while as one product is being > phased out and being replaced by another. > > Android still supports Flash as Google is the proud owner of YouTube but a > replacement technology is in the works as so many Flash experts are also > migrating and want to have a solid alternative. > > There are now, many free Flash website designs, as companies are shedding > their stables of Flash inventory and are now using them as bait, to attract > potential clients to their sites. It will probably take 2 to 5 years before > Flash is finally gone. > > There is a general trend in the developer's community to not embrace a > closed standard, as if history is any indication, a person's career can be > jeopardized when a company decides to no longer support one of their > products and huge costs are incurred buying into a new closed technology, > starting with huge time waste, as well as poorer products, until sufficient > skill-sets have been obtained. > > MS Access comes to mind. Long live Open Source standards. > > Jim > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow > Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 8:56 AM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Linux and Firefox > > I get some pretty strange messages on my android tablet. One app, IIRC > Flash, would not download to my iPad because Apple does not support it. > Nice > slap in the face Adobe. First inferring that _I_ bought an iPad and second > suggesting that Apple has anything to say about Android. > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence > Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 8:44 AM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Linux and Firefox > > Hi Mark: > > That happens more frequently than you would guess. Many of my sites will > not > run on IE as the clients are unwilling to pay the extra dollars for the > extra coding necessary. It has not been until recently, that IE (IE9), has > supported HTML5 or CSS3. Some web programmer did the reverse and built the > site only for IE. > > You could try the Linux Chrome browser, Chromium and see if you have better > luck. > > Jim > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen > Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 1:28 AM > To: Discussion concerning MS SQL Server; Discussion of Hardware and > Software > issues > Subject: [dba-Tech] Linux and Firefox > > Hello All, > > Hope you do not mind me changing the subject on this discussion. > > Francisco mentions below that he uses Firefox on Linux. Over the weekend, > I > tried to book online for Dublin Airport car park using Linux and FF. > However, the site informed me that they do not currently support this > phone > browser and to try a regular PC. > > Well I guess I can understand what caused that wrong message, but I was > disappointed that I had to go upstairs to my windows machine. > > To gently tease the kids, I also took a printscreen of their old Windows > desktop and set it as the desktop on the linux installation. Their heads > were messed up because they could see the Windows icons, but still they > were > on linux :) > > Mark > > > On 19 September 2011 00:09, Francisco Tapia wrote: > > > Another thing you can attempt is to setup a Linux virtual machine > > that would prevent hackers from reaching your personal data directly. > > I really won't surf the net on Internet explorer (any version). I only > > use Firefox with noscript and on a Linux machine helps to obfuscate as > > much direct contact as possible... > > > > Sent from my mobile > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From marklbreen at gmail.com Mon Sep 19 17:47:39 2011 From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 23:47:39 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Linux and Firefox In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello Jim >You could try the Linux Chrome browser Good idea, I should have tried that. thanks Mark On 19 September 2011 14:44, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Hi Mark: > > That happens more frequently than you would guess. Many of my sites will > not > run on IE as the clients are unwilling to pay the extra dollars for the > extra coding necessary. It has not been until recently, that IE (IE9), has > supported HTML5 or CSS3. Some web programmer did the reverse and built the > site only for IE. > > You could try the Linux Chrome browser, Chromium and see if you have better > luck. > > Jim > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen > Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 1:28 AM > To: Discussion concerning MS SQL Server; Discussion of Hardware and > Software > issues > Subject: [dba-Tech] Linux and Firefox > > Hello All, > > Hope you do not mind me changing the subject on this discussion. > > Francisco mentions below that he uses Firefox on Linux. Over the weekend, > I > tried to book online for Dublin Airport car park using Linux and FF. > However, the site informed me that they do not currently support this > phone > browser and to try a regular PC. > > Well I guess I can understand what caused that wrong message, but I was > disappointed that I had to go upstairs to my windows machine. > > To gently tease the kids, I also took a printscreen of their old Windows > desktop and set it as the desktop on the linux installation. Their heads > were messed up because they could see the Windows icons, but still they > were > on linux :) > > Mark > > > On 19 September 2011 00:09, Francisco Tapia wrote: > > > Another thing you can attempt is to setup a Linux virtual machine > > that would prevent hackers from reaching your personal data directly. > > I really won't surf the net on Internet explorer (any version). I only > > use Firefox with noscript and on a Linux machine helps to obfuscate as > > much direct contact as possible... > > > > Sent from my mobile > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Sep 19 18:20:22 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 16:20:22 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Linux and Firefox In-Reply-To: <008201cc7713$66c80410$34580c30$@winhaven.net> References: <027601cc76e4$9759fd60$c60df820$@winhaven.net> <008201cc7713$66c80410$34580c30$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: <5CCC7F6BE3714D77819DE7E1520C9E79@creativesystemdesigns.com> You are absolutely right...that is the major problem...getting up to speed fast. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 2:31 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Linux and Firefox Yea, I've had Flash Professional for a couple of year snow but decided against using it. I think Silverlight is a better alternative but with CSS3 and HTML5 what's the point? Unfortunately it's the lag time that is the PITA for end users. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 3:22 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Linux and Firefox It appears that both Silverlight (what a waste of money if it was expected to be a Flash replacement) and Flash, are on their way out. Adobe has even created a new product called Edge, which will create Flash like browser results but uses HTML5 and CSS3. (Free for download: http://tinyurl.com/6adgd4t as they are looking for early adopters in the developer's community.) You are going to run into these issues for a while as one product is being phased out and being replaced by another. Android still supports Flash as Google is the proud owner of YouTube but a replacement technology is in the works as so many Flash experts are also migrating and want to have a solid alternative. There are now, many free Flash website designs, as companies are shedding their stables of Flash inventory and are now using them as bait, to attract potential clients to their sites. It will probably take 2 to 5 years before Flash is finally gone. There is a general trend in the developer's community to not embrace a closed standard, as if history is any indication, a person's career can be jeopardized when a company decides to no longer support one of their products and huge costs are incurred buying into a new closed technology, starting with huge time waste, as well as poorer products, until sufficient skill-sets have been obtained. MS Access comes to mind. Long live Open Source standards. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 8:56 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Linux and Firefox I get some pretty strange messages on my android tablet. One app, IIRC Flash, would not download to my iPad because Apple does not support it. Nice slap in the face Adobe. First inferring that _I_ bought an iPad and second suggesting that Apple has anything to say about Android. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 8:44 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Linux and Firefox Hi Mark: That happens more frequently than you would guess. Many of my sites will not run on IE as the clients are unwilling to pay the extra dollars for the extra coding necessary. It has not been until recently, that IE (IE9), has supported HTML5 or CSS3. Some web programmer did the reverse and built the site only for IE. You could try the Linux Chrome browser, Chromium and see if you have better luck. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 1:28 AM To: Discussion concerning MS SQL Server; Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Linux and Firefox Hello All, Hope you do not mind me changing the subject on this discussion. Francisco mentions below that he uses Firefox on Linux. Over the weekend, I tried to book online for Dublin Airport car park using Linux and FF. However, the site informed me that they do not currently support this phone browser and to try a regular PC. Well I guess I can understand what caused that wrong message, but I was disappointed that I had to go upstairs to my windows machine. To gently tease the kids, I also took a printscreen of their old Windows desktop and set it as the desktop on the linux installation. Their heads were messed up because they could see the Windows icons, but still they were on linux :) Mark On 19 September 2011 00:09, Francisco Tapia wrote: > Another thing you can attempt is to setup a Linux virtual machine > that would prevent hackers from reaching your personal data directly. > I really won't surf the net on Internet explorer (any version). I only > use Firefox with noscript and on a Linux machine helps to obfuscate as > much direct contact as possible... > > Sent from my mobile > > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Sep 19 18:22:23 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 16:22:23 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Linux and Firefox In-Reply-To: <4E77B60F.2030504@earthlink.net> References: <027601cc76e4$9759fd60$c60df820$@winhaven.net> <4E77B60F.2030504@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <9F044225C20D4D52BB65F0FA94228E09@creativesystemdesigns.com> Has anyone been playing with the new Adobe Edge product, yet. At first glance it looks impressive. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Peter Brawley Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 2:37 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Linux and Firefox On 9/19/2011 3:22 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > It appears that both Silverlight (what a waste of money if it was expected > to be a Flash replacement) and Flash, are on their way out. Six cheers! PB ----- > Adobe has even > created a new product called Edge, which will create Flash like browser > results but uses HTML5 and CSS3. (Free for download: > http://tinyurl.com/6adgd4t as they are looking for early adopters in the > developer's community.) > > You are going to run into these issues for a while as one product is being > phased out and being replaced by another. > > Android still supports Flash as Google is the proud owner of YouTube but a > replacement technology is in the works as so many Flash experts are also > migrating and want to have a solid alternative. > > There are now, many free Flash website designs, as companies are shedding > their stables of Flash inventory and are now using them as bait, to attract > potential clients to their sites. It will probably take 2 to 5 years before > Flash is finally gone. > > There is a general trend in the developer's community to not embrace a > closed standard, as if history is any indication, a person's career can be > jeopardized when a company decides to no longer support one of their > products and huge costs are incurred buying into a new closed technology, > starting with huge time waste, as well as poorer products, until sufficient > skill-sets have been obtained. > > MS Access comes to mind. Long live Open Source standards. > > Jim > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow > Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 8:56 AM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Linux and Firefox > > I get some pretty strange messages on my android tablet. One app, IIRC > Flash, would not download to my iPad because Apple does not support it. Nice > slap in the face Adobe. First inferring that _I_ bought an iPad and second > suggesting that Apple has anything to say about Android. > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence > Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 8:44 AM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Linux and Firefox > > Hi Mark: > > That happens more frequently than you would guess. Many of my sites will not > run on IE as the clients are unwilling to pay the extra dollars for the > extra coding necessary. It has not been until recently, that IE (IE9), has > supported HTML5 or CSS3. Some web programmer did the reverse and built the > site only for IE. > > You could try the Linux Chrome browser, Chromium and see if you have better > luck. > > Jim > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen > Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 1:28 AM > To: Discussion concerning MS SQL Server; Discussion of Hardware and Software > issues > Subject: [dba-Tech] Linux and Firefox > > Hello All, > > Hope you do not mind me changing the subject on this discussion. > > Francisco mentions below that he uses Firefox on Linux. Over the weekend, I > tried to book online for Dublin Airport car park using Linux and FF. > However, the site informed me that they do not currently support this phone > browser and to try a regular PC. > > Well I guess I can understand what caused that wrong message, but I was > disappointed that I had to go upstairs to my windows machine. > > To gently tease the kids, I also took a printscreen of their old Windows > desktop and set it as the desktop on the linux installation. Their heads > were messed up because they could see the Windows icons, but still they were > on linux :) > > Mark > > > On 19 September 2011 00:09, Francisco Tapia wrote: > >> Another thing you can attempt is to setup a Linux virtual machine >> that would prevent hackers from reaching your personal data directly. >> I really won't surf the net on Internet explorer (any version). I only >> use Firefox with noscript and on a Linux machine helps to obfuscate as >> much direct contact as possible... >> >> Sent from my mobile >> >> > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Sep 19 18:25:46 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 16:25:46 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Linux and Firefox In-Reply-To: <008801cc7716$ed7e6050$c87b20f0$@winhaven.net> References: <027601cc76e4$9759fd60$c60df820$@winhaven.net> <008801cc7716$ed7e6050$c87b20f0$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: <4E20F6F63D144225B155CC80CFE91FB2@creativesystemdesigns.com> Yeah...one of those problems. :-( Edge is supposed to resolve future issues not to support an unsupported desktop OS. ;-) (I would put Vista in the same category though.) Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 2:56 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Linux and Firefox BTW Edge only runs on Vista and W7 - no XP -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 3:22 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Linux and Firefox It appears that both Silverlight (what a waste of money if it was expected to be a Flash replacement) and Flash, are on their way out. Adobe has even created a new product called Edge, which will create Flash like browser results but uses HTML5 and CSS3. (Free for download: http://tinyurl.com/6adgd4t as they are looking for early adopters in the developer's community.) You are going to run into these issues for a while as one product is being phased out and being replaced by another. Android still supports Flash as Google is the proud owner of YouTube but a replacement technology is in the works as so many Flash experts are also migrating and want to have a solid alternative. There are now, many free Flash website designs, as companies are shedding their stables of Flash inventory and are now using them as bait, to attract potential clients to their sites. It will probably take 2 to 5 years before Flash is finally gone. There is a general trend in the developer's community to not embrace a closed standard, as if history is any indication, a person's career can be jeopardized when a company decides to no longer support one of their products and huge costs are incurred buying into a new closed technology, starting with huge time waste, as well as poorer products, until sufficient skill-sets have been obtained. MS Access comes to mind. Long live Open Source standards. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 8:56 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Linux and Firefox I get some pretty strange messages on my android tablet. One app, IIRC Flash, would not download to my iPad because Apple does not support it. Nice slap in the face Adobe. First inferring that _I_ bought an iPad and second suggesting that Apple has anything to say about Android. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 8:44 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Linux and Firefox Hi Mark: That happens more frequently than you would guess. Many of my sites will not run on IE as the clients are unwilling to pay the extra dollars for the extra coding necessary. It has not been until recently, that IE (IE9), has supported HTML5 or CSS3. Some web programmer did the reverse and built the site only for IE. You could try the Linux Chrome browser, Chromium and see if you have better luck. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 1:28 AM To: Discussion concerning MS SQL Server; Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Linux and Firefox Hello All, Hope you do not mind me changing the subject on this discussion. Francisco mentions below that he uses Firefox on Linux. Over the weekend, I tried to book online for Dublin Airport car park using Linux and FF. However, the site informed me that they do not currently support this phone browser and to try a regular PC. Well I guess I can understand what caused that wrong message, but I was disappointed that I had to go upstairs to my windows machine. To gently tease the kids, I also took a printscreen of their old Windows desktop and set it as the desktop on the linux installation. Their heads were messed up because they could see the Windows icons, but still they were on linux :) Mark On 19 September 2011 00:09, Francisco Tapia wrote: > Another thing you can attempt is to setup a Linux virtual machine > that would prevent hackers from reaching your personal data directly. > I really won't surf the net on Internet explorer (any version). I only > use Firefox with noscript and on a Linux machine helps to obfuscate as > much direct contact as possible... > > Sent from my mobile > > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Sep 19 18:31:31 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 16:31:31 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Linux and Firefox In-Reply-To: References: <027601cc76e4$9759fd60$c60df820$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: <4CB27C9477444F56B1B8A42CDFF7FA02@creativesystemdesigns.com> Hi Mark: MS Access will be around for a long time...but as a developer's product, its future is diminishing unless MS decides to change times. Right now Microsoft's main focus is internet applications and connecting desktop applications to the web. Current versions of Access do not comply with that direction nor does its programming language, VB, which is enjoying it last days...IMHO. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 3:47 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Linux and Firefox Hi Jim, Not sure what you mean by >MS Access comes to mind. Long live Open Source standards. do you mean that Access is slowing dying ? have I missed an elephant in the room? thanks Mark On 19 September 2011 21:22, Jim Lawrence wrote: > It appears that both Silverlight (what a waste of money if it was expected > to be a Flash replacement) and Flash, are on their way out. Adobe has even > created a new product called Edge, which will create Flash like browser > results but uses HTML5 and CSS3. (Free for download: > http://tinyurl.com/6adgd4t as they are looking for early adopters in the > developer's community.) > > You are going to run into these issues for a while as one product is being > phased out and being replaced by another. > > Android still supports Flash as Google is the proud owner of YouTube but a > replacement technology is in the works as so many Flash experts are also > migrating and want to have a solid alternative. > > There are now, many free Flash website designs, as companies are shedding > their stables of Flash inventory and are now using them as bait, to attract > potential clients to their sites. It will probably take 2 to 5 years before > Flash is finally gone. > > There is a general trend in the developer's community to not embrace a > closed standard, as if history is any indication, a person's career can be > jeopardized when a company decides to no longer support one of their > products and huge costs are incurred buying into a new closed technology, > starting with huge time waste, as well as poorer products, until sufficient > skill-sets have been obtained. > > MS Access comes to mind. Long live Open Source standards. > > Jim > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow > Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 8:56 AM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Linux and Firefox > > I get some pretty strange messages on my android tablet. One app, IIRC > Flash, would not download to my iPad because Apple does not support it. > Nice > slap in the face Adobe. First inferring that _I_ bought an iPad and second > suggesting that Apple has anything to say about Android. > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence > Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 8:44 AM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Linux and Firefox > > Hi Mark: > > That happens more frequently than you would guess. Many of my sites will > not > run on IE as the clients are unwilling to pay the extra dollars for the > extra coding necessary. It has not been until recently, that IE (IE9), has > supported HTML5 or CSS3. Some web programmer did the reverse and built the > site only for IE. > > You could try the Linux Chrome browser, Chromium and see if you have better > luck. > > Jim > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen > Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 1:28 AM > To: Discussion concerning MS SQL Server; Discussion of Hardware and > Software > issues > Subject: [dba-Tech] Linux and Firefox > > Hello All, > > Hope you do not mind me changing the subject on this discussion. > > Francisco mentions below that he uses Firefox on Linux. Over the weekend, > I > tried to book online for Dublin Airport car park using Linux and FF. > However, the site informed me that they do not currently support this > phone > browser and to try a regular PC. > > Well I guess I can understand what caused that wrong message, but I was > disappointed that I had to go upstairs to my windows machine. > > To gently tease the kids, I also took a printscreen of their old Windows > desktop and set it as the desktop on the linux installation. Their heads > were messed up because they could see the Windows icons, but still they > were > on linux :) > > Mark > > > On 19 September 2011 00:09, Francisco Tapia wrote: > > > Another thing you can attempt is to setup a Linux virtual machine > > that would prevent hackers from reaching your personal data directly. > > I really won't surf the net on Internet explorer (any version). I only > > use Firefox with noscript and on a Linux machine helps to obfuscate as > > much direct contact as possible... > > > > Sent from my mobile > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From john at winhaven.net Mon Sep 19 18:33:21 2011 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 18:33:21 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Linux and Firefox In-Reply-To: <4E20F6F63D144225B155CC80CFE91FB2@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <027601cc76e4$9759fd60$c60df820$@winhaven.net> <008801cc7716$ed7e6050$c87b20f0$@winhaven.net> <4E20F6F63D144225B155CC80CFE91FB2@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <00ab01cc7724$84dbd830$8e938890$@winhaven.net> Supporting Vista and not XP is rather shortsighted - unless Vista is supported just because the Win7 code works on it rather than special coding for it. I think Vista will virtually disappear long before XP. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 6:26 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Linux and Firefox Yeah...one of those problems. :-( Edge is supposed to resolve future issues not to support an unsupported desktop OS. ;-) (I would put Vista in the same category though.) Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 2:56 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Linux and Firefox BTW Edge only runs on Vista and W7 - no XP -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 3:22 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Linux and Firefox It appears that both Silverlight (what a waste of money if it was expected to be a Flash replacement) and Flash, are on their way out. Adobe has even created a new product called Edge, which will create Flash like browser results but uses HTML5 and CSS3. (Free for download: http://tinyurl.com/6adgd4t as they are looking for early adopters in the developer's community.) You are going to run into these issues for a while as one product is being phased out and being replaced by another. Android still supports Flash as Google is the proud owner of YouTube but a replacement technology is in the works as so many Flash experts are also migrating and want to have a solid alternative. There are now, many free Flash website designs, as companies are shedding their stables of Flash inventory and are now using them as bait, to attract potential clients to their sites. It will probably take 2 to 5 years before Flash is finally gone. There is a general trend in the developer's community to not embrace a closed standard, as if history is any indication, a person's career can be jeopardized when a company decides to no longer support one of their products and huge costs are incurred buying into a new closed technology, starting with huge time waste, as well as poorer products, until sufficient skill-sets have been obtained. MS Access comes to mind. Long live Open Source standards. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 8:56 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Linux and Firefox I get some pretty strange messages on my android tablet. One app, IIRC Flash, would not download to my iPad because Apple does not support it. Nice slap in the face Adobe. First inferring that _I_ bought an iPad and second suggesting that Apple has anything to say about Android. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 8:44 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Linux and Firefox Hi Mark: That happens more frequently than you would guess. Many of my sites will not run on IE as the clients are unwilling to pay the extra dollars for the extra coding necessary. It has not been until recently, that IE (IE9), has supported HTML5 or CSS3. Some web programmer did the reverse and built the site only for IE. You could try the Linux Chrome browser, Chromium and see if you have better luck. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 1:28 AM To: Discussion concerning MS SQL Server; Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Linux and Firefox Hello All, Hope you do not mind me changing the subject on this discussion. Francisco mentions below that he uses Firefox on Linux. Over the weekend, I tried to book online for Dublin Airport car park using Linux and FF. However, the site informed me that they do not currently support this phone browser and to try a regular PC. Well I guess I can understand what caused that wrong message, but I was disappointed that I had to go upstairs to my windows machine. To gently tease the kids, I also took a printscreen of their old Windows desktop and set it as the desktop on the linux installation. Their heads were messed up because they could see the Windows icons, but still they were on linux :) Mark On 19 September 2011 00:09, Francisco Tapia wrote: > Another thing you can attempt is to setup a Linux virtual machine > that would prevent hackers from reaching your personal data directly. > I really won't surf the net on Internet explorer (any version). I only > use Firefox with noscript and on a Linux machine helps to obfuscate as > much direct contact as possible... > > Sent from my mobile > > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From peter.brawley at earthlink.net Mon Sep 19 19:43:29 2011 From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 19:43:29 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Linux and Firefox In-Reply-To: References: <027601cc76e4$9759fd60$c60df820$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: <4E77E1B1.1060207@earthlink.net> On 9/19/2011 5:46 PM, Mark Breen wrote: > Hi Jim, > > Not sure what you mean by >> MS Access comes to mind. Long live Open Source standards. > do you mean that Access is slowing dying ? How do we speed that up? PB ----- > > have I missed an elephant in the room? > > thanks > Mark > > > > > > On 19 September 2011 21:22, Jim Lawrence wrote: > >> It appears that both Silverlight (what a waste of money if it was expected >> to be a Flash replacement) and Flash, are on their way out. Adobe has even >> created a new product called Edge, which will create Flash like browser >> results but uses HTML5 and CSS3. (Free for download: >> http://tinyurl.com/6adgd4t as they are looking for early adopters in the >> developer's community.) >> >> You are going to run into these issues for a while as one product is being >> phased out and being replaced by another. >> >> Android still supports Flash as Google is the proud owner of YouTube but a >> replacement technology is in the works as so many Flash experts are also >> migrating and want to have a solid alternative. >> >> There are now, many free Flash website designs, as companies are shedding >> their stables of Flash inventory and are now using them as bait, to attract >> potential clients to their sites. It will probably take 2 to 5 years before >> Flash is finally gone. >> >> There is a general trend in the developer's community to not embrace a >> closed standard, as if history is any indication, a person's career can be >> jeopardized when a company decides to no longer support one of their >> products and huge costs are incurred buying into a new closed technology, >> starting with huge time waste, as well as poorer products, until sufficient >> skill-sets have been obtained. >> >> MS Access comes to mind. Long live Open Source standards. >> >> Jim >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow >> Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 8:56 AM >> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' >> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Linux and Firefox >> >> I get some pretty strange messages on my android tablet. One app, IIRC >> Flash, would not download to my iPad because Apple does not support it. >> Nice >> slap in the face Adobe. First inferring that _I_ bought an iPad and second >> suggesting that Apple has anything to say about Android. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence >> Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 8:44 AM >> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' >> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Linux and Firefox >> >> Hi Mark: >> >> That happens more frequently than you would guess. Many of my sites will >> not >> run on IE as the clients are unwilling to pay the extra dollars for the >> extra coding necessary. It has not been until recently, that IE (IE9), has >> supported HTML5 or CSS3. Some web programmer did the reverse and built the >> site only for IE. >> >> You could try the Linux Chrome browser, Chromium and see if you have better >> luck. >> >> Jim >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen >> Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 1:28 AM >> To: Discussion concerning MS SQL Server; Discussion of Hardware and >> Software >> issues >> Subject: [dba-Tech] Linux and Firefox >> >> Hello All, >> >> Hope you do not mind me changing the subject on this discussion. >> >> Francisco mentions below that he uses Firefox on Linux. Over the weekend, >> I >> tried to book online for Dublin Airport car park using Linux and FF. >> However, the site informed me that they do not currently support this >> phone >> browser and to try a regular PC. >> >> Well I guess I can understand what caused that wrong message, but I was >> disappointed that I had to go upstairs to my windows machine. >> >> To gently tease the kids, I also took a printscreen of their old Windows >> desktop and set it as the desktop on the linux installation. Their heads >> were messed up because they could see the Windows icons, but still they >> were >> on linux :) >> >> Mark >> >> >> On 19 September 2011 00:09, Francisco Tapia wrote: >> >>> Another thing you can attempt is to setup a Linux virtual machine >>> that would prevent hackers from reaching your personal data directly. >>> I really won't surf the net on Internet explorer (any version). I only >>> use Firefox with noscript and on a Linux machine helps to obfuscate as >>> much direct contact as possible... >>> >>> Sent from my mobile >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Sep 19 22:02:44 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 20:02:44 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Linux and Firefox In-Reply-To: <00ab01cc7724$84dbd830$8e938890$@winhaven.net> References: <027601cc76e4$9759fd60$c60df820$@winhaven.net> <008801cc7716$ed7e6050$c87b20f0$@winhaven.net> <4E20F6F63D144225B155CC80CFE91FB2@creativesystemdesigns.com> <00ab01cc7724$84dbd830$8e938890$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: <0AF24348AE5041A084DD190134E4926C@creativesystemdesigns.com> You are preaching to the choir. ;-) Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 4:33 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Linux and Firefox Supporting Vista and not XP is rather shortsighted - unless Vista is supported just because the Win7 code works on it rather than special coding for it. I think Vista will virtually disappear long before XP. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 6:26 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Linux and Firefox Yeah...one of those problems. :-( Edge is supposed to resolve future issues not to support an unsupported desktop OS. ;-) (I would put Vista in the same category though.) Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 2:56 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Linux and Firefox BTW Edge only runs on Vista and W7 - no XP -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 3:22 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Linux and Firefox It appears that both Silverlight (what a waste of money if it was expected to be a Flash replacement) and Flash, are on their way out. Adobe has even created a new product called Edge, which will create Flash like browser results but uses HTML5 and CSS3. (Free for download: http://tinyurl.com/6adgd4t as they are looking for early adopters in the developer's community.) You are going to run into these issues for a while as one product is being phased out and being replaced by another. Android still supports Flash as Google is the proud owner of YouTube but a replacement technology is in the works as so many Flash experts are also migrating and want to have a solid alternative. There are now, many free Flash website designs, as companies are shedding their stables of Flash inventory and are now using them as bait, to attract potential clients to their sites. It will probably take 2 to 5 years before Flash is finally gone. There is a general trend in the developer's community to not embrace a closed standard, as if history is any indication, a person's career can be jeopardized when a company decides to no longer support one of their products and huge costs are incurred buying into a new closed technology, starting with huge time waste, as well as poorer products, until sufficient skill-sets have been obtained. MS Access comes to mind. Long live Open Source standards. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 8:56 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Linux and Firefox I get some pretty strange messages on my android tablet. One app, IIRC Flash, would not download to my iPad because Apple does not support it. Nice slap in the face Adobe. First inferring that _I_ bought an iPad and second suggesting that Apple has anything to say about Android. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 8:44 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Linux and Firefox Hi Mark: That happens more frequently than you would guess. Many of my sites will not run on IE as the clients are unwilling to pay the extra dollars for the extra coding necessary. It has not been until recently, that IE (IE9), has supported HTML5 or CSS3. Some web programmer did the reverse and built the site only for IE. You could try the Linux Chrome browser, Chromium and see if you have better luck. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 1:28 AM To: Discussion concerning MS SQL Server; Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Linux and Firefox Hello All, Hope you do not mind me changing the subject on this discussion. Francisco mentions below that he uses Firefox on Linux. Over the weekend, I tried to book online for Dublin Airport car park using Linux and FF. However, the site informed me that they do not currently support this phone browser and to try a regular PC. Well I guess I can understand what caused that wrong message, but I was disappointed that I had to go upstairs to my windows machine. To gently tease the kids, I also took a printscreen of their old Windows desktop and set it as the desktop on the linux installation. Their heads were messed up because they could see the Windows icons, but still they were on linux :) Mark On 19 September 2011 00:09, Francisco Tapia wrote: > Another thing you can attempt is to setup a Linux virtual machine > that would prevent hackers from reaching your personal data directly. > I really won't surf the net on Internet explorer (any version). I only > use Firefox with noscript and on a Linux machine helps to obfuscate as > much direct contact as possible... > > Sent from my mobile > > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Sep 19 22:13:06 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 20:13:06 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Linux and Firefox In-Reply-To: <4E77E1B1.1060207@earthlink.net> References: <027601cc76e4$9759fd60$c60df820$@winhaven.net> <4E77E1B1.1060207@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <793771AAD804439499B652219B529A6E@creativesystemdesigns.com> Exactly...slowly from lack of company support. Open Source Standards are great as a company can decide how much support to give to a certain standard through the tools they provide but if they loose interest there is always some other company there to continue support. (Example: the browser market) This is good for developers who can hold their skill set for 10 to 20 years and slowly evolve along with their chosen protocol. (There is always steady growth but no erratic turns and twists that can be punctuated with a sudden and final disappearance.) Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Peter Brawley Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 5:43 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Linux and Firefox On 9/19/2011 5:46 PM, Mark Breen wrote: > Hi Jim, > > Not sure what you mean by >> MS Access comes to mind. Long live Open Source standards. > do you mean that Access is slowing dying ? How do we speed that up? PB ----- > > have I missed an elephant in the room? > > thanks > Mark > > > > > > On 19 September 2011 21:22, Jim Lawrence wrote: > >> It appears that both Silverlight (what a waste of money if it was expected >> to be a Flash replacement) and Flash, are on their way out. Adobe has even >> created a new product called Edge, which will create Flash like browser >> results but uses HTML5 and CSS3. (Free for download: >> http://tinyurl.com/6adgd4t as they are looking for early adopters in the >> developer's community.) >> >> You are going to run into these issues for a while as one product is being >> phased out and being replaced by another. >> >> Android still supports Flash as Google is the proud owner of YouTube but a >> replacement technology is in the works as so many Flash experts are also >> migrating and want to have a solid alternative. >> >> There are now, many free Flash website designs, as companies are shedding >> their stables of Flash inventory and are now using them as bait, to attract >> potential clients to their sites. It will probably take 2 to 5 years before >> Flash is finally gone. >> >> There is a general trend in the developer's community to not embrace a >> closed standard, as if history is any indication, a person's career can be >> jeopardized when a company decides to no longer support one of their >> products and huge costs are incurred buying into a new closed technology, >> starting with huge time waste, as well as poorer products, until sufficient >> skill-sets have been obtained. >> >> MS Access comes to mind. Long live Open Source standards. >> >> Jim >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow >> Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 8:56 AM >> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' >> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Linux and Firefox >> >> I get some pretty strange messages on my android tablet. One app, IIRC >> Flash, would not download to my iPad because Apple does not support it. >> Nice >> slap in the face Adobe. First inferring that _I_ bought an iPad and second >> suggesting that Apple has anything to say about Android. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence >> Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 8:44 AM >> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' >> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Linux and Firefox >> >> Hi Mark: >> >> That happens more frequently than you would guess. Many of my sites will >> not >> run on IE as the clients are unwilling to pay the extra dollars for the >> extra coding necessary. It has not been until recently, that IE (IE9), has >> supported HTML5 or CSS3. Some web programmer did the reverse and built the >> site only for IE. >> >> You could try the Linux Chrome browser, Chromium and see if you have better >> luck. >> >> Jim >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen >> Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 1:28 AM >> To: Discussion concerning MS SQL Server; Discussion of Hardware and >> Software >> issues >> Subject: [dba-Tech] Linux and Firefox >> >> Hello All, >> >> Hope you do not mind me changing the subject on this discussion. >> >> Francisco mentions below that he uses Firefox on Linux. Over the weekend, >> I >> tried to book online for Dublin Airport car park using Linux and FF. >> However, the site informed me that they do not currently support this >> phone >> browser and to try a regular PC. >> >> Well I guess I can understand what caused that wrong message, but I was >> disappointed that I had to go upstairs to my windows machine. >> >> To gently tease the kids, I also took a printscreen of their old Windows >> desktop and set it as the desktop on the linux installation. Their heads >> were messed up because they could see the Windows icons, but still they >> were >> on linux :) >> >> Mark >> >> >> On 19 September 2011 00:09, Francisco Tapia wrote: >> >>> Another thing you can attempt is to setup a Linux virtual machine >>> that would prevent hackers from reaching your personal data directly. >>> I really won't surf the net on Internet explorer (any version). I only >>> use Firefox with noscript and on a Linux machine helps to obfuscate as >>> much direct contact as possible... >>> >>> Sent from my mobile >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Wed Sep 21 11:08:14 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 12:08:14 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] [AccessD] [dba-SQLServer] Oracle 11g EX (was: MySQL) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I guess that's why Larry gets to do his sailboat stuff. I refuse to be a party to his wealth-vacuum mechanism. Perhaps he has outgrown EST but still I do not trust this man. He has done very bad things to the world, IMO. And I shall not forget them, and if you want a list, I can happily provide same. This man is the opposite of Google: do no evil. Larry is into Do Evil wherever the opportunity arises. And, I have to admit, he is remarkably good at it. But it remains Evil, and I shall in my meager way fight him to the death of one of us -- given his resources, I expect that I shall lose this battle, but that's for the judges to decide. I am not quitting, just because his army is vastly larger than mine. Think several recent wars, USA v. Afghanistan, USSR v. Czechoslovakia. and many other examples. I am not trying to push some political principle here. This is emphatically the wrong place to do so. I intended to keep this on the track of SQL, but I guess that I strayed a little bit. I apologize for that, and I intend to return to the original subject. What are we to do about the significant software problems confronting the world-wide marketplace? All suggestions and ideas are most humbly welcomed and appreciated. Arfa A. From accessd at shaw.ca Wed Sep 21 13:57:14 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 11:57:14 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] [AccessD] [dba-SQLServer] Oracle 11g EX (was: MySQL) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Try to keep one step ahead with Open Source and/or Open Standard software. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2011 9:08 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] [AccessD] [dba-SQLServer] Oracle 11g EX (was: MySQL) I guess that's why Larry gets to do his sailboat stuff. I refuse to be a party to his wealth-vacuum mechanism. Perhaps he has outgrown EST but still I do not trust this man. He has done very bad things to the world, IMO. And I shall not forget them, and if you want a list, I can happily provide same. This man is the opposite of Google: do no evil. Larry is into Do Evil wherever the opportunity arises. And, I have to admit, he is remarkably good at it. But it remains Evil, and I shall in my meager way fight him to the death of one of us -- given his resources, I expect that I shall lose this battle, but that's for the judges to decide. I am not quitting, just because his army is vastly larger than mine. Think several recent wars, USA v. Afghanistan, USSR v. Czechoslovakia. and many other examples. I am not trying to push some political principle here. This is emphatically the wrong place to do so. I intended to keep this on the track of SQL, but I guess that I strayed a little bit. I apologize for that, and I intend to return to the original subject. What are we to do about the significant software problems confronting the world-wide marketplace? All suggestions and ideas are most humbly welcomed and appreciated. Arfa A. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Wed Sep 21 18:41:58 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 19:41:58 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Obama's take on taxation Message-ID: Assumption One: The people who have the money are the people to tax.Assumption Two: the people who have no money are not the ones to tax.Conjecture Number One: those who make their money due to not wages but rather interests, shall be granted a lovely grace. NO! What I want is that no matter how you make your money, be it wages or interests or whatever, this should all be taxed at the same rate. Income in= taxes out, end of story. And fork you, if you have some other opinion.I would even go furtther, in terms of a Wealth Tax, but i recognize that this one will probably not pass the wealthy people. What I want is equal distribution of the wealth, and to bail out the USA from its trrilian-dollars problems. Warren Buffet has the right idea, IMO. The serious problem is that those who have a job as opposed to those who have investments, are taxed differently, which guarantees that the rich stay rich and fork you all the rest of you. Well, that is not my definition of democracy. Yeah, I know this is not about Hardware and Software Issues but I cannot leave this unsaid. A. From john at winhaven.net Thu Sep 22 01:01:24 2011 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2011 01:01:24 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows Live Mail Message-ID: <015a01cc78ed$0f1246a0$2d36d3e0$@winhaven.net> Well, this is just great. If you delete an account in Windows Live Mail it just deletes all of your email. No warning or anything proper like that. Just boom! It's gone. Even Outlook Express wasn't that lame. John B From accessd at shaw.ca Thu Sep 22 01:18:49 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 23:18:49 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows Live Mail In-Reply-To: <015a01cc78ed$0f1246a0$2d36d3e0$@winhaven.net> References: <015a01cc78ed$0f1246a0$2d36d3e0$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: Bad programmer, bad programmer. Thanks for the toxic warning. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2011 11:01 PM To: DBA-Tech Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows Live Mail Well, this is just great. If you delete an account in Windows Live Mail it just deletes all of your email. No warning or anything proper like that. Just boom! It's gone. Even Outlook Express wasn't that lame. John B _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From djkr at msn.com Thu Sep 22 02:35:23 2011 From: djkr at msn.com (DJK (John) Robinson) Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2011 08:35:23 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows Live Mail In-Reply-To: <015a01cc78ed$0f1246a0$2d36d3e0$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: I must be missing something here (not being a Live Mail user). If your email is online, held within the account, then wouldn't you expect it to disappear with the account? John -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: 22 September 2011 07:01 To: DBA-Tech Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows Live Mail Well, this is just great. If you delete an account in Windows Live Mail it just deletes all of your email. No warning or anything proper like that. Just boom! It's gone. Even Outlook Express wasn't that lame. John B _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Gustav at cactus.dk Thu Sep 22 04:13:38 2011 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2011 11:13:38 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows Live Mail Message-ID: Hi John Except for the missing warning, that's what I would expect (haven't tried). Where should the orphaned mail go? /gustav >>> john at winhaven.net 22-09-2011 08:01 >>> Well, this is just great. If you delete an account in Windows Live Mail it just deletes all of your email. No warning or anything proper like that. Just boom! It's gone. Even Outlook Express wasn't that lame. John B From john at winhaven.net Thu Sep 22 12:01:22 2011 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2011 12:01:22 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows Live Mail In-Reply-To: References: <015a01cc78ed$0f1246a0$2d36d3e0$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: <000001cc7949$4180df00$c4829d00$@winhaven.net> This is the local version of Live Mail (Windows 7) - not the Hotmail look alike web based version of Live Mail. Once again confusion by MS marketing. Live Mail replaced Windows Mail (Vista) which replaced Outlook Express (XP and older). If Live Mail (local version) had all of its account's email stored online then I should be able to go online, log in and see my emails because that account is still there and working. But it isn't. So when you download email form the server it caches it in: \Users\username\AppData\Local\Microsoft\Windows Live Mail When you delete an account it deletes the related files holding the messages. There are ways to recover it but in my case I had deleted the account because it was no longer valid and had been replaced by a new account. In the older versions of MS's email programs you could just add in the new account and everything would work as before. Now it creates a whole new set of files for each account. You can then change the settings to use different store locations but you have to know that ahead of time. If someone uses account wizard they would never know this. So essentially what you have to do is first set up the new account. Then move all of your saved email messages, etc. to the new account folders and then delete the old account. Beware - if you are going to use Live Mail make sure you do some research on it first. Uhg, why didn't I just use Thunderbird? From accessd at shaw.ca Thu Sep 22 12:46:46 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2011 10:46:46 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows Live Mail In-Reply-To: <000001cc7949$4180df00$c4829d00$@winhaven.net> References: <015a01cc78ed$0f1246a0$2d36d3e0$@winhaven.net> <000001cc7949$4180df00$c4829d00$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: <354BD8229DC446398DFC291546D4E332@creativesystemdesigns.com> Or just use gmail... (?) Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 10:01 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows Live Mail This is the local version of Live Mail (Windows 7) - not the Hotmail look alike web based version of Live Mail. Once again confusion by MS marketing. Live Mail replaced Windows Mail (Vista) which replaced Outlook Express (XP and older). If Live Mail (local version) had all of its account's email stored online then I should be able to go online, log in and see my emails because that account is still there and working. But it isn't. So when you download email form the server it caches it in: \Users\username\AppData\Local\Microsoft\Windows Live Mail When you delete an account it deletes the related files holding the messages. There are ways to recover it but in my case I had deleted the account because it was no longer valid and had been replaced by a new account. In the older versions of MS's email programs you could just add in the new account and everything would work as before. Now it creates a whole new set of files for each account. You can then change the settings to use different store locations but you have to know that ahead of time. If someone uses account wizard they would never know this. So essentially what you have to do is first set up the new account. Then move all of your saved email messages, etc. to the new account folders and then delete the old account. Beware - if you are going to use Live Mail make sure you do some research on it first. Uhg, why didn't I just use Thunderbird? _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From john at winhaven.net Thu Sep 22 13:49:09 2011 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2011 13:49:09 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows Live Mail In-Reply-To: <354BD8229DC446398DFC291546D4E332@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <015a01cc78ed$0f1246a0$2d36d3e0$@winhaven.net> <000001cc7949$4180df00$c4829d00$@winhaven.net> <354BD8229DC446398DFC291546D4E332@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <005b01cc7958$507a3150$f16e93f0$@winhaven.net> Gmail's lack of "folders" freaks a lot of people out for some reason. And a lot of my clients want local email. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 12:47 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows Live Mail Or just use gmail... (?) Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 10:01 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows Live Mail This is the local version of Live Mail (Windows 7) - not the Hotmail look alike web based version of Live Mail. Once again confusion by MS marketing. Live Mail replaced Windows Mail (Vista) which replaced Outlook Express (XP and older). If Live Mail (local version) had all of its account's email stored online then I should be able to go online, log in and see my emails because that account is still there and working. But it isn't. So when you download email form the server it caches it in: \Users\username\AppData\Local\Microsoft\Windows Live Mail When you delete an account it deletes the related files holding the messages. There are ways to recover it but in my case I had deleted the account because it was no longer valid and had been replaced by a new account. In the older versions of MS's email programs you could just add in the new account and everything would work as before. Now it creates a whole new set of files for each account. You can then change the settings to use different store locations but you have to know that ahead of time. If someone uses account wizard they would never know this. So essentially what you have to do is first set up the new account. Then move all of your saved email messages, etc. to the new account folders and then delete the old account. Beware - if you are going to use Live Mail make sure you do some research on it first. Uhg, why didn't I just use Thunderbird? _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Thu Sep 22 16:51:06 2011 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2011 07:51:06 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows Live Mail In-Reply-To: <005b01cc7958$507a3150$f16e93f0$@winhaven.net> References: <015a01cc78ed$0f1246a0$2d36d3e0$@winhaven.net>, <354BD8229DC446398DFC291546D4E332@creativesystemdesigns.com>, <005b01cc7958$507a3150$f16e93f0$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: <4E7BADCA.4867.903362B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Pegasus Mail? On 22 Sep 2011 at 13:49, John Bartow wrote: > Gmail's lack of "folders" freaks a lot of people out for some reason. > And a lot of my clients want local email. > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim > Lawrence Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 12:47 PM To: 'Discussion > of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows Live > Mail > > Or just use gmail... (?) > > Jim > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John > Bartow Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 10:01 AM To: 'Discussion of > Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows Live > Mail > > This is the local version of Live Mail (Windows 7) - not the Hotmail > look alike web based version of Live Mail. Once again confusion by MS > marketing. Live Mail replaced Windows Mail (Vista) which replaced > Outlook Express (XP and older). > > If Live Mail (local version) had all of its account's email stored > online then I should be able to go online, log in and see my emails > because that account is still there and working. But it isn't. So when > you download email form the server it caches it in: > \Users\username\AppData\Local\Microsoft\Windows Live Mail > > When you delete an account it deletes the related files holding the > messages. There are ways to recover it but in my case I had deleted > the account because it was no longer valid and had been replaced by a > new account. In the older versions of MS's email programs you could > just add in the new account and everything would work as before. Now > it creates a whole new set of files for each account. You can then > change the settings to use different store locations but you have to > know that ahead of time. If someone uses account wizard they would > never know this. So essentially what you have to do is first set up > the new account. Then move all of your saved email messages, etc. to > the new account folders and then delete the old account. > > Beware - if you are going to use Live Mail make sure you do some > research on it first. > > Uhg, why didn't I just use Thunderbird? > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From accessd at shaw.ca Thu Sep 22 16:52:40 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2011 14:52:40 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows Live Mail In-Reply-To: <005b01cc7958$507a3150$f16e93f0$@winhaven.net> References: <015a01cc78ed$0f1246a0$2d36d3e0$@winhaven.net> <000001cc7949$4180df00$c4829d00$@winhaven.net> <354BD8229DC446398DFC291546D4E332@creativesystemdesigns.com> <005b01cc7958$507a3150$f16e93f0$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: <75567966EBCC421CB3C27E79F6EC6056@creativesystemdesigns.com> Seeing Windows Live Mail is doing odd things that would leave Thunderbird. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 11:49 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows Live Mail Gmail's lack of "folders" freaks a lot of people out for some reason. And a lot of my clients want local email. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 12:47 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows Live Mail Or just use gmail... (?) Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 10:01 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows Live Mail This is the local version of Live Mail (Windows 7) - not the Hotmail look alike web based version of Live Mail. Once again confusion by MS marketing. Live Mail replaced Windows Mail (Vista) which replaced Outlook Express (XP and older). If Live Mail (local version) had all of its account's email stored online then I should be able to go online, log in and see my emails because that account is still there and working. But it isn't. So when you download email form the server it caches it in: \Users\username\AppData\Local\Microsoft\Windows Live Mail When you delete an account it deletes the related files holding the messages. There are ways to recover it but in my case I had deleted the account because it was no longer valid and had been replaced by a new account. In the older versions of MS's email programs you could just add in the new account and everything would work as before. Now it creates a whole new set of files for each account. You can then change the settings to use different store locations but you have to know that ahead of time. If someone uses account wizard they would never know this. So essentially what you have to do is first set up the new account. Then move all of your saved email messages, etc. to the new account folders and then delete the old account. Beware - if you are going to use Live Mail make sure you do some research on it first. Uhg, why didn't I just use Thunderbird? _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Thu Sep 22 20:19:53 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2011 18:19:53 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Open Source Cloud In-Reply-To: <000001cc7949$4180df00$c4829d00$@winhaven.net> References: <015a01cc78ed$0f1246a0$2d36d3e0$@winhaven.net> <000001cc7949$4180df00$c4829d00$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: <8006FA011228414CA042F947B0D1070F@creativesystemdesigns.com> The Open Source Cloud is here and another homerun for the Open Source community. OpenStack Diablo is a Quantum Leap for Open Source Cloud. OpenStack has been criticized by some as "the consortium of people who can't figure out how to compete with Amazon Web Services on their own." Well, they are half-right. http://www.readwriteweb.com/cloud/2011/09/openstack-diablo-is-a-quantum.php Now all those who wanted to dabble and expand their knowledge into the Cloud have a low cost place to start. Here is a perfect place to run a small (or large) set of travelling applications from; imaging, backups, structure data storage, user access control, etc. To download to your (Ubuntu) Linux (virtual) server: http://www.openstack.org/projects/compute/ Jim From Gustav at cactus.dk Fri Sep 23 01:19:29 2011 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2011 08:19:29 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows Live Mail Message-ID: Hi John OK, that explains. Thanks for the info. And you are right: GMail is not the answer to everyone's need. /gustav >>> john at winhaven.net 22-09-2011 19:01 >>> This is the local version of Live Mail (Windows 7) - not the Hotmail look alike web based version of Live Mail. Once again confusion by MS marketing. Live Mail replaced Windows Mail (Vista) which replaced Outlook Express (XP and older). If Live Mail (local version) had all of its account's email stored online then I should be able to go online, log in and see my emails because that account is still there and working. But it isn't. So when you download email form the server it caches it in: \Users\username\AppData\Local\Microsoft\Windows Live Mail When you delete an account it deletes the related files holding the messages. There are ways to recover it but in my case I had deleted the account because it was no longer valid and had been replaced by a new account. In the older versions of MS's email programs you could just add in the new account and everything would work as before. Now it creates a whole new set of files for each account. You can then change the settings to use different store locations but you have to know that ahead of time. If someone uses account wizard they would never know this. So essentially what you have to do is first set up the new account. Then move all of your saved email messages, etc. to the new account folders and then delete the old account. Beware - if you are going to use Live Mail make sure you do some research on it first. Uhg, why didn't I just use Thunderbird? From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sun Sep 25 17:38:31 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2011 18:38:31 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] One more reason to stay away from FaceBook Message-ID: The company tracks the pages you visit even after you log off its site. http://www.linkedin.com/news?actionBar=&articleID=796744400&ids=cj8OdjoRdzATb30Md3gQdPoVdOMNdjgNdzsSejsIcjcNcPcRdzAT&aag=true&freq=weekly&trk=eml-tod-b-ttle-4&ut=1ymYy0KASbXkU1 A. From hans.andersen at phulse.com Sun Sep 25 19:48:39 2011 From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen) Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2011 17:48:39 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] One more reason to stay away from FaceBook In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Very very bad. I wouldn't even be surprised if companies like Facebook and so forth are going to start using techniques like evercookie. Pretty ridiculous that I feel more and more compelled to surf using privacy mode by default. Hans-Christian Andersen On 25 Sep 2011, at 15:38, Arthur Fuller wrote: > The company tracks the pages you visit even after you log off its site. > > http://www.linkedin.com/news?actionBar=&articleID=796744400&ids=cj8OdjoRdzATb30Md3gQdPoVdOMNdjgNdzsSejsIcjcNcPcRdzAT&aag=true&freq=weekly&trk=eml-tod-b-ttle-4&ut=1ymYy0KASbXkU1 > > A. > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From marklbreen at gmail.com Mon Sep 26 04:44:27 2011 From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen) Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 10:44:27 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Stored passwords Message-ID: Hello All, Just thought I would share an experience with you. My brother (the security guy) dropped in on Friday morning. I was working, building a pc at another desk and not using my own machine. He asked if he could check his email. I said work away. Ten seconds later, he started calling out a bunch of my passwords that I use for various services, websites etc. Of course some of them overlap and are the same passwords. Can you guess how he did it? In Chrome you click the wrench, personal stuff and manage saved passwords. in FF you click Tools options, privacy and saved passwords probably IE has it also, but who uses that ! No encryption, no hashing, just passwords in clear text. So if someone gains access to your machine, you better hope you only have saved your low security passwords in your browser. Can you be 100% sure you did not accidentally save one of your important passwords? Can you be sure you will not do so in the future. remember to check all browsers on your machine. It was quite surprising to hear Stephen simply shout out my passwords like that, within 10 seconds of sitting down. Mark From fuller.artful at gmail.com Tue Sep 27 16:42:20 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2011 17:42:20 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] RAM Terminology Message-ID: I'm shopping on eBay for some additional RAM for a computer that allows only DDR1 (I can't afford a new motherboard as well). There's plenty to choose from there and the prices are better than the local stores charge, but before I take the leap, I'd like to clear up some terminology that I don't understand: - low-desity RAM (a few listings say this) - high-density RAM (only one mentions this) - (M368L2923DUN-C?CC) for Desktop RAM (only one mentions this) - Non ECC (only a few mention this) - CL3 (a few mention this) I don't need a detailed thesis, just some guidelines. Is high-density better than low, or vice-versa? If neither is mentioned, does that imply the rest are "medium" density? The RAM I already have is 400Mz and nobody seems to offer higher, so I'll stick with that. TIA, Arthur From djkr at msn.com Tue Sep 27 17:11:50 2011 From: djkr at msn.com (DJK (John) Robinson) Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2011 23:11:50 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] RAM Terminology In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <31C83066F15246E9A98E2AB3785A30B2@dabsight> Hi Arthur Here's my 2c. Go to the Crucial website www.crucial.com - from the system in question. Use the Crucial System Scanner Tool to "Scan My Computer". Allow and run the download. *Nearly* always, it will identify your motherboard accurately, together with what RAM is installed and what empty slots you have. You probably already know all this so far, *but* crucially(!) it tells you what kinds of RAM are compatible, whether ECC or not, CLs, PCxy00s, DDRz00s, etc etc, and *guarantees* compatibility. Of course you don't have to buy from Crucial. HTH John -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: 27 September 2011 22:42 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] RAM Terminology I'm shopping on eBay for some additional RAM for a computer that allows only DDR1 (I can't afford a new motherboard as well). There's plenty to choose from there and the prices are better than the local stores charge, but before I take the leap, I'd like to clear up some terminology that I don't understand: - low-desity RAM (a few listings say this) - high-density RAM (only one mentions this) - (M368L2923DUN-C?CC) for Desktop RAM (only one mentions this) - Non ECC (only a few mention this) - CL3 (a few mention this) I don't need a detailed thesis, just some guidelines. Is high-density better than low, or vice-versa? If neither is mentioned, does that imply the rest are "medium" density? The RAM I already have is 400Mz and nobody seems to offer higher, so I'll stick with that. TIA, Arthur _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From john at winhaven.net Tue Sep 27 17:37:22 2011 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2011 17:37:22 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] RAM Terminology In-Reply-To: <31C83066F15246E9A98E2AB3785A30B2@dabsight> References: <31C83066F15246E9A98E2AB3785A30B2@dabsight> Message-ID: <01d101cc7d66$05e9db10$11bd9130$@winhaven.net> Good advice - it's what I do for everything I work on. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of DJK (John) Robinson Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 5:12 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] RAM Terminology Hi Arthur Here's my 2c. Go to the Crucial website www.crucial.com - from the system in question. Use the Crucial System Scanner Tool to "Scan My Computer". Allow and run the download. *Nearly* always, it will identify your motherboard accurately, together with what RAM is installed and what empty slots you have. You probably already know all this so far, *but* crucially(!) it tells you what kinds of RAM are compatible, whether ECC or not, CLs, PCxy00s, DDRz00s, etc etc, and *guarantees* compatibility. Of course you don't have to buy from Crucial. HTH John -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: 27 September 2011 22:42 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] RAM Terminology I'm shopping on eBay for some additional RAM for a computer that allows only DDR1 (I can't afford a new motherboard as well). There's plenty to choose from there and the prices are better than the local stores charge, but before I take the leap, I'd like to clear up some terminology that I don't understand: - low-desity RAM (a few listings say this) - high-density RAM (only one mentions this) - (M368L2923DUN-C?CC) for Desktop RAM (only one mentions this) - Non ECC (only a few mention this) - CL3 (a few mention this) I don't need a detailed thesis, just some guidelines. Is high-density better than low, or vice-versa? If neither is mentioned, does that imply the rest are "medium" density? The RAM I already have is 400Mz and nobody seems to offer higher, so I'll stick with that. TIA, Arthur _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Tue Sep 27 17:38:53 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2011 18:38:53 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] RAM Terminology In-Reply-To: <31C83066F15246E9A98E2AB3785A30B2@dabsight> References: <31C83066F15246E9A98E2AB3785A30B2@dabsight> Message-ID: Ah! Thanks for this. I'll run it right now. A. From fuller.artful at gmail.com Tue Sep 27 18:00:56 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2011 19:00:56 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] RAM Terminology In-Reply-To: References: <31C83066F15246E9A98E2AB3785A30B2@dabsight> Message-ID: It worked a treat. Now I know exactly what to buy. A. On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 6:38 PM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > Ah! Thanks for this. I'll run it right now. > A. > > > From djkr at msn.com Tue Sep 27 18:10:50 2011 From: djkr at msn.com (DJK (John) Robinson) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2011 00:10:50 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] RAM Terminology In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Great! (I've even used it to identify the motherboard in a PC built a long time ago - by me - no need to grovel with screwdriver ...) John -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: 28 September 2011 00:01 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] RAM Terminology It worked a treat. Now I know exactly what to buy. A. On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 6:38 PM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > Ah! Thanks for this. I'll run it right now. > A. > > > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From john at winhaven.net Wed Sep 28 09:20:15 2011 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2011 09:20:15 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] RAM Terminology In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000f01cc7de9$bdd5a910$3980fb30$@winhaven.net> Same here. It's been about 98% accurate for me since I've started using it - which has to be close to the time it was first released. There are plenty of other little utilities that will inventory you hardware but Crucial's scanner is so easy to use, is kept up to date with newer technologies and gives you a price list when you're done. Sometimes I order directly from them but generally I order Crucial's memory direct from my supplier which is less expensive and faster delivery. There are cheaper brands but I've had some issues in the past with the low end RAM. It's usually not a big enough cost difference to justify the risk IMO. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of DJK (John) Robinson Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 6:11 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] RAM Terminology Great! (I've even used it to identify the motherboard in a PC built a long time ago - by me - no need to grovel with screwdriver ...) John -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: 28 September 2011 00:01 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] RAM Terminology It worked a treat. Now I know exactly what to buy. A. On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 6:38 PM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > Ah! Thanks for this. I'll run it right now. > A. > > > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Wed Sep 28 16:02:50 2011 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 07:02:50 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] RAM Terminology In-Reply-To: <000f01cc7de9$bdd5a910$3980fb30$@winhaven.net> References: , , <000f01cc7de9$bdd5a910$3980fb30$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: <4E838B7A.31099.27BD2990@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> It told me that my laptop took a maximum of 2GB of RAM and would only show up to 1GB chips. It did however recognise that I have 4GB of RAM in it. ( 2 x 2GB chips) -- Stuart On 28 Sep 2011 at 9:20, John Bartow wrote: > Same here. It's been about 98% accurate for me since I've started > using it - which has to be close to the time it was first released. > There are plenty of other little utilities that will inventory you > hardware but Crucial's scanner is so easy to use, is kept up to date > with newer technologies and gives you a price list when you're done. > Sometimes I order directly from them but generally I order Crucial's > memory direct from my supplier which is less expensive and faster > delivery. There are cheaper brands but I've had some issues in the > past with the low end RAM. It's usually not a big enough cost > difference to justify the risk IMO. > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of DJK (John) > Robinson Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 6:11 PM To: 'Discussion of > Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] RAM Terminology > > Great! > > (I've even used it to identify the motherboard in a PC built a long > time ago - by me - no need to grovel with screwdriver ...) > > John > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur > Fuller Sent: 28 September 2011 00:01 To: Discussion of Hardware and > Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] RAM Terminology > > > It worked a treat. Now I know exactly what to buy. > A. > > On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 6:38 PM, Arthur Fuller > wrote: > > > Ah! Thanks for this. I'll run it right now. > > A. > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From john at winhaven.net Wed Sep 28 16:16:50 2011 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2011 16:16:50 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] RAM Terminology In-Reply-To: <4E838B7A.31099.27BD2990@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: , , <000f01cc7de9$bdd5a910$3980fb30$@winhaven.net> <4E838B7A.31099.27BD2990@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <016c01cc7e23$f03fa600$d0bef200$@winhaven.net> I've had that problem a couple of times and once it couldn't recognize a motherboard. It's not perfect but quite good. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2011 4:03 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] RAM Terminology It told me that my laptop took a maximum of 2GB of RAM and would only show up to 1GB chips. It did however recognise that I have 4GB of RAM in it. ( 2 x 2GB chips) -- Stuart On 28 Sep 2011 at 9:20, John Bartow wrote: > Same here. It's been about 98% accurate for me since I've started > using it - which has to be close to the time it was first released. > There are plenty of other little utilities that will inventory you > hardware but Crucial's scanner is so easy to use, is kept up to date > with newer technologies and gives you a price list when you're done. > Sometimes I order directly from them but generally I order Crucial's > memory direct from my supplier which is less expensive and faster > delivery. There are cheaper brands but I've had some issues in the > past with the low end RAM. It's usually not a big enough cost > difference to justify the risk IMO. > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of DJK (John) > Robinson Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 6:11 PM To: 'Discussion of > Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] RAM Terminology > > Great! > > (I've even used it to identify the motherboard in a PC built a long > time ago - by me - no need to grovel with screwdriver ...) > > John > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur > Fuller Sent: 28 September 2011 00:01 To: Discussion of Hardware and > Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] RAM Terminology > > > It worked a treat. Now I know exactly what to buy. > A. > > On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 6:38 PM, Arthur Fuller > wrote: > > > Ah! Thanks for this. I'll run it right now. > > A. > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Thu Sep 29 10:33:22 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 11:33:22 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Predatory Marketing 101: NetFlix.ca Message-ID: Attention, all Canadians: Stay far, far away from netflix.ca. It pales in comparison to netflix.com(its parent, with 100* as many titles available) and it also exhibits predatory marketing, which disgusts me. The old (and I thought banned) practise of "Include me in". I signed on for a free trial month at netflix.ca, and during said month all I did was browse the available movies, downloaded none, previewed none, deemed the service as a total failure, and left it at that. Suddenly this morning I get an email bill for October! I didn't do shit in September, so I'm expected to fork over $7.99 for October? To make matters worse, I have apparently already forked it over, via my PayPal account. I'm going to fight this in every available way: emails to Jian Gomeshi, letters to the newspapers, broadcasts to every eGroup to which I belong, and potentially, should I accrue enough victims, a class-action lawsuit. These fuckers have NO right to such business practises. I thought they were outlawed a couple of decades ago, in the cable-tv era. Perhaps I am right, which reinforces the strength of said potential class-action suit, or perhaps I am wrong, in which case the path is toward a change in the law which forbids such automatic inclusions, and demands instead an email (at least) from the vendor and a reply from the potential customer, who did nothing more than a 30-day trial. Effective today, I have officially cancelled my alleged membership in netflix.ca, so they won't ding me again, but I'm still out the $7.99 for October. And although that's an argue-for-peanuts strategem, multiply me by the number of people who fell (and may in future fall) for this trap, and suddenly we're talking about millions of dollars, scooped from unwary customers. This SUCKS! Anyone similarly victimized by this evil company is invited to reply to me off-list. I will gather the names and try to accumulate enough of same to launch a class-action suit. Arthur From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Fri Sep 30 08:25:04 2011 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2011 06:25:04 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] OT Friday - Calculus Problem Message-ID: Dear Lists: My son has a calc test today and has a problem he doesn't understand. I can't help him with it. Anyone remember how to do this? Position function is s(t) = -4.9t**2 +200 which gives the height in meters of an object that is falling from a height of 200 meters. The velocity at time t = as seconds is given by: lim(t-->a) = ((s(a)-s(t)) / (a-t) FInd the velocity of the object when t=4. The answer in -39.2 m/sec. How is that derived? MTIA Rocky From john at winhaven.net Fri Sep 30 12:21:13 2011 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2011 12:21:13 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] For those who claim religion never changes Message-ID: <01cd01cc7f95$5b5fa030$121ee090$@winhaven.net> Dead wrong: Catholics must no longer support capital punishment Sep. 30, 2011 Article Details By Carol Glatz Catholic News Service VATICAN CITY -- The Catholic Church's position on capital punishment has evolved considerably over the centuries. And as a result, "it is not a message that is immediately understood -- that there is no room for supporting the death penalty in today's world," said a Vatican's expert on capital punishment and arms control. Because the church has only in the past few decades begun closing the window -- if not shutting it completely -- on the permissibility of the death penalty, people who give just a partial reading of the church's teachings may still think the death penalty is acceptable today, said Tommaso Di Ruzza, desk officer at the Pontifical Council for Justice and Peace. St. Thomas Aquinas equated a dangerous criminal to an infected limb thereby making it "praiseworthy and healthful" to kill the criminal in order to spare the spread of infection and safeguard the common good. However, over the centuries, justice has evolved from being the smiting arm of revenge toward a striving for reform and restoration, much like today's medical science, where amputation is no longer the only recourse for curing an infection. Modern-day popes have reflected that change in attitude. As far back as the 19th and early 20th centuries theologians pondered the seeming paradox between the Fifth Commandment, "You shall not kill," and the church's dark history of condoning state-held executions to deal with heresy and other threats and crimes. Pope Paul VI took concrete action in distancing the church from this form of punishment, first by formally banning the use of the death penalty in Vatican City State, although no one had been executed under the authority of the Vatican's temporal governance since 1870. Pope Paul also spoke publicly against planned executions and called for clemency for death-row inmates. Pope John Paul II also would punctuate his Angelus and general audience talks with impassioned appeals to spare the life of a prisoner on the verge of execution. It was the Polish pope who "earnestly hoped and prayed" for a global moratorium on the use of capital punishment and the abolition of the death penalty worldwide. Pope Benedict, too, continues to send appeals for clemency in high-profile cases via telegrams either through a country's bishops or nuncio, and he has praised a U.N. resolution calling upon states to institute a moratorium on the use of the death penalty. The 1992 Catechism of the Catholic Church recognized "as well-founded the right and duty of legitimate public authority to punish malefactors by means of penalties commensurate with the gravity of the crime, not excluding, in cases of extreme gravity, the death penalty." At the same time, it said, "bloodless means" that could protect human life should be used when possible. The "extreme gravity" loophole was tightened with changes made in 1997, which reflected the pope's 1995 encyclical, "Evangelium Vitae." It specifies that the use of the death penalty is allowed only when the identity and responsibility of the condemned is certain and if capital punishment "is the only possible way of effectively defending human lives against the unjust aggressor." However, given the resources and possibilities available to governments today for restraining criminals, "cases of the absolute necessity of the suppression of the offender 'are very rare, if not practically nonexistent,'" it says. Pope Benedict, then-Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, had a major role in drafting the 1992 Catechism and, especially, its 1997 revised passages. When he told journalists about the changes in 1997, he said while the principles do not absolutely exclude capital punishment, they do give "very severe or limited criteria for its moral use." "It seems to me it would be very difficult to meet the conditions today," he had said. When a journalist said the majority of Catholics in the United States favor use of the death penalty, Cardinal Ratzinger said, "While it is important to know the thoughts of the faithful, doctrine is not made according to statistics, but according to objective criteria taking into account progress made in the church's thought on the issue." Di Ruzza said the divergence of many Catholics in the United States from the church's current position is a sign that "the universal church must also accompany the particular churches a little bit" and help guide them on this "journey of purification," which is more a process of "maturity rather than a revolution or change in tradition." Without reading Popes John Paul and Benedict's clear condemnations of the death penalty, the catechism will "unfortunately have the risk of being ambiguous or taken out of context," he said. The church upholds the inherent dignity of all human beings, even the most sin-filled, and believes in hope, conversion and mercy, he said. There is always room for conversion, he said, and forgiveness does not mean being naive about the real evil the human being is capable of committing. The death penalty does not solve much; a victim still feels loss and crime is not deterred, he said. Communities must strive to promote the common good, and it's dubious "that you can kill someone for the good of all," he said. "The beauty of forgiveness must also be truly discovered; it's this that saves us," said Di Ruzza. Otherwise, "by killing the just or the unjust without understanding that they have dignity, we will find ourselves after 2,000 years in the same courtyard shouting, 'Kill him!,' like they did with Jesus." "God forgave us. He did not call us to death. Jesus let us overcome death" so as to more fully embrace life, he said. From john at winhaven.net Fri Sep 30 13:26:53 2011 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2011 13:26:53 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] For those who claim religion never changes In-Reply-To: <01cd01cc7f95$5b5fa030$121ee090$@winhaven.net> References: <01cd01cc7f95$5b5fa030$121ee090$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: <01e201cc7f9e$87500370$95f00a50$@winhaven.net> Sorry wrong list :-P