From fuller.artful at gmail.com Wed Aug 1 08:05:03 2012 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 09:05:03 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Study of Music Reveals that It Does All Sound the Same Message-ID: This from slashdot, citing an article in The Economist:: *"A study of music from the '50 to the present using the Million Song Dataset has concluded that modern music has less variation than older music and songs today are, on average, 9dB louder than 50 years ago. Almost all music uses just 10 chords, but the way these are used together has changed, leading to fewer types of transitions being used. Variation in timbre has also reduced over the past decades."* -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sat Aug 4 06:03:31 2012 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2012 07:03:31 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Excel question Message-ID: Hi all, I ought to know this, but don't. Call me stupid or at best ignorant. How does one enter a formula involving exponents? I want to enter these formulae, using pseudo-syntax: (x^2 + y^2)^2 (x^2 - y^2)^2 + (2xy)^2 Where the caret represents Power of, so x^2 means x squared, and x and y represent cell locations that contain arbitrary values. Can you help? TIA! -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. -- Niels Bohr From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Sat Aug 4 09:46:36 2012 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2012 07:46:36 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Excel question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2358C0D979D44A02A31A178BE03193C4@HAL9007> I think you've got it, no? IIRC ^ means 'to the power of' so x cubed would be x^3, z to the ninth: z^9. Is this what you're going for? Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2012 4:04 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Excel question Hi all, I ought to know this, but don't. Call me stupid or at best ignorant. How does one enter a formula involving exponents? I want to enter these formulae, using pseudo-syntax: (x^2 + y^2)^2 (x^2 - y^2)^2 + (2xy)^2 Where the caret represents Power of, so x^2 means x squared, and x and y represent cell locations that contain arbitrary values. Can you help? TIA! -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. -- Niels Bohr _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From bheid at sc.rr.com Sat Aug 4 12:12:01 2012 From: bheid at sc.rr.com (Bobby Heid) Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2012 13:12:01 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Excel question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000c01cd7264$442a2080$cc7e6180$@sc.rr.com> You have to use the Power function 5^3 =POWER(5,3) So (x^2 + y^2)^2 would be =power(power(x,2) +power(y,2),2) Bobby -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2012 7:04 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Excel question Hi all, I ought to know this, but don't. Call me stupid or at best ignorant. How does one enter a formula involving exponents? I want to enter these formulae, using pseudo-syntax: (x^2 + y^2)^2 (x^2 - y^2)^2 + (2xy)^2 Where the caret represents Power of, so x^2 means x squared, and x and y represent cell locations that contain arbitrary values. Can you help? TIA! -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. -- Niels Bohr _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Sat Aug 4 15:18:35 2012 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2012 06:18:35 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Excel question In-Reply-To: <000c01cd7264$442a2080$cc7e6180$@sc.rr.com> References: , <000c01cd7264$442a2080$cc7e6180$@sc.rr.com> Message-ID: <501D839B.29135.12EAB3E6@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> You don't "have" to. =(A1^2+B1^2)^2 and =(A1^2 -B1^2)^2 + (2*A1*B1)^2 work for me. They both return 169 when cell A1 contains 2 and cell B1 contains 3. Similarly =A1^B1 returns 8 -- Stuart On 4 Aug 2012 at 13:12, Bobby Heid wrote: > You have to use the Power function > 5^3 > =POWER(5,3) > > So (x^2 + y^2)^2 would be > =power(power(x,2) +power(y,2),2) > > Bobby > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller > Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2012 7:04 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: [dba-Tech] Excel question > > Hi all, > > I ought to know this, but don't. Call me stupid or at best ignorant. How > does one enter a formula involving exponents? I want to enter these > formulae, using pseudo-syntax: > > (x^2 + y^2)^2 > (x^2 - y^2)^2 + (2xy)^2 > > Where the caret represents Power of, so x^2 means x squared, and x and y > represent cell locations that contain arbitrary values. > > Can you help? > TIA! > > -- > Arthur > Cell: 647.710.1314 > > Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. > -- Niels Bohr > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sat Aug 4 20:16:36 2012 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2012 21:16:36 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Excel question In-Reply-To: <501D839B.29135.12EAB3E6@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <000c01cd7264$442a2080$cc7e6180$@sc.rr.com> <501D839B.29135.12EAB3E6@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: Kewl Do you have any idea what what have just verified? Think deeply about this. It is non-trivial. This concerns Fermat's Last Theorem. On Sat, Aug 4, 2012 at 4:18 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote: > You don't "have" to. > > =(A1^2+B1^2)^2 and > =(A1^2 -B1^2)^2 + (2*A1*B1)^2 > work for me. They both return 169 when cell A1 contains 2 and cell B1 > contains 3. > > Similarly =A1^B1 returns 8 > > -- > Stuart > > On 4 Aug 2012 at 13:12, Bobby Heid wrote: > > > You have to use the Power function > > 5^3 > > =POWER(5,3) > > > > So (x^2 + y^2)^2 would be > > =power(power(x,2) +power(y,2),2) > > > > Bobby > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur > Fuller > > Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2012 7:04 AM > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > Subject: [dba-Tech] Excel question > > > > Hi all, > > > > I ought to know this, but don't. Call me stupid or at best ignorant. How > > does one enter a formula involving exponents? I want to enter these > > formulae, using pseudo-syntax: > > > > (x^2 + y^2)^2 > > (x^2 - y^2)^2 + (2xy)^2 > > > > Where the caret represents Power of, so x^2 means x squared, and x and y > > represent cell locations that contain arbitrary values. > > > > Can you help? > > TIA! > > > > -- > > Arthur > > Cell: 647.710.1314 > > > > Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. > > -- Niels Bohr > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. -- Niels Bohr From bheid at sc.rr.com Sun Aug 5 12:02:34 2012 From: bheid at sc.rr.com (Bobby Heid) Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2012 13:02:34 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Excel question In-Reply-To: <501D839B.29135.12EAB3E6@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: , <000c01cd7264$442a2080$cc7e6180$@sc.rr.com> <501D839B.29135.12EAB3E6@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <001801cd732c$1c118d40$5434a7c0$@sc.rr.com> Lol. I know, I know. But to use an exponential formula , as in = $A$1 ^ $A$2... -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2012 4:19 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Excel question You don't "have" to. =(A1^2+B1^2)^2 and =(A1^2 -B1^2)^2 + (2*A1*B1)^2 work for me. They both return 169 when cell A1 contains 2 and cell B1 contains 3. Similarly =A1^B1 returns 8 -- Stuart On 4 Aug 2012 at 13:12, Bobby Heid wrote: > You have to use the Power function > 5^3 > =POWER(5,3) > > So (x^2 + y^2)^2 would be > =power(power(x,2) +power(y,2),2) > > Bobby > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur > Fuller > Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2012 7:04 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: [dba-Tech] Excel question > > Hi all, > > I ought to know this, but don't. Call me stupid or at best ignorant. > How does one enter a formula involving exponents? I want to enter > these formulae, using pseudo-syntax: > > (x^2 + y^2)^2 > (x^2 - y^2)^2 + (2xy)^2 > > Where the caret represents Power of, so x^2 means x squared, and x and > y represent cell locations that contain arbitrary values. > > Can you help? > TIA! > > -- > Arthur > Cell: 647.710.1314 > > Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. > -- Niels Bohr > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Wed Aug 8 10:27:56 2012 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2012 11:27:56 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Back to the Roots: Craps Message-ID: The first program I ever wrote, on time borrowed on an ancient Commodore with twin cassette drives, was the casino game of craps. For purely nostalgic reasons, I have decided to write that program again, but now that we inhabit a graphic world, I'll need some sort of graphic image of dice rolling and ultimately landing on a randomly determined combination of two dice. Before posting this here, I did a few Google searches and came up empty-handed. Has anyone here any ideas, search results, ability to create a graphic like that? TIA, -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Prediction is difficult, especially of the future rolls of a pair of dice (ever wonder why that island off Nassau with the casino is called Paradise Island?). -- Niels Bohr and Arthur Fuller From tinanfields at torchlake.com Wed Aug 8 10:58:43 2012 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2012 11:58:43 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Back to the Roots: Craps In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <50228CB3.8050300@torchlake.com> Hi Arthur, The HP Hoyle Puzzle & Board Games package has a couple of dice-throwing games - Zilch and Yacht. Perhaps you can snag the graphics from there? I'll keep looking. T Tina Norris Fields tinanfields at torchlake.com 231-322-2787 On 8/8/2012 11:27 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > The first program I ever wrote, on time borrowed on an ancient Commodore > with twin cassette drives, was the casino game of craps. For purely > nostalgic reasons, I have decided to write that program again, but now that > we inhabit a graphic world, I'll need some sort of graphic image of dice > rolling and ultimately landing on a randomly determined combination of two > dice. > > Before posting this here, I did a few Google searches and came up > empty-handed. Has anyone here any ideas, search results, ability to create > a graphic like that? > > TIA, From fuller.artful at gmail.com Wed Aug 8 11:16:44 2012 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2012 12:16:44 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Back to the Roots: Craps In-Reply-To: <50228CB3.8050300@torchlake.com> References: <50228CB3.8050300@torchlake.com> Message-ID: I'll try that. Thanks, Tina! On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 11:58 AM, Tina Norris Fields < tinanfields at torchlake.com> wrote: > Hi Arthur, > > The HP Hoyle Puzzle & Board Games package has a couple of dice-throwing > games - Zilch and Yacht. Perhaps you can snag the graphics from there? > I'll keep looking. > > From tinanfields at torchlake.com Wed Aug 8 11:58:24 2012 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2012 12:58:24 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Back to the Roots: Craps In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <50229AB0.9040102@torchlake.com> Hi Arthur, Will any of the ones on this page work for you? http://www.picgifs.com/graphics/dice/ Best, T Tina Norris Fields tinanfields at torchlake.com 231-322-2787 On 8/8/2012 11:27 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > The first program I ever wrote, on time borrowed on an ancient Commodore > with twin cassette drives, was the casino game of craps. For purely > nostalgic reasons, I have decided to write that program again, but now that > we inhabit a graphic world, I'll need some sort of graphic image of dice > rolling and ultimately landing on a randomly determined combination of two > dice. > > Before posting this here, I did a few Google searches and came up > empty-handed. Has anyone here any ideas, search results, ability to create > a graphic like that? > > TIA, From accessd at shaw.ca Fri Aug 10 05:21:45 2012 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 03:21:45 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Thw Win8 conference In-Reply-To: <50229AB0.9040102@torchlake.com> References: <50229AB0.9040102@torchlake.com> Message-ID: <64CB831DBD6846FA814D26C3C7602D6F@creativesystemdesigns.com> The below Win8 conference posted yesterday(?) sold out in less than an hour but it can still be viewed online. http://www.buildwindows.com/ Jim From accessd at shaw.ca Fri Aug 10 05:30:00 2012 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 03:30:00 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] New way to pay In-Reply-To: <64CB831DBD6846FA814D26C3C7602D6F@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <50229AB0.9040102@torchlake.com> <64CB831DBD6846FA814D26C3C7602D6F@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: Starbucks has moved into the next level with their "pay with square", an app that runs on your Smartphone. You can even just walk into your favourite Starbuck coffee shop with phone and immediately a tab will open. Interested?...read more: https://squareup.com/pay-with-square Jim From accessd at shaw.ca Sat Aug 11 12:09:18 2012 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2012 10:09:18 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] A new protocol for the web In-Reply-To: References: <50229AB0.9040102@torchlake.com><64CB831DBD6846FA814D26C3C7602D6F@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <4CCC0AE9B48B46948323AAC9D389E719@creativesystemdesigns.com> http1/2 protocol has just about run its course. New internet devices now absorbs so much bandwidth but see little real performance improvement other than employing better methods to handle the latency. Enter a new protocol named SPDY (pronounced speedy). Most of the major players in the browser market have been building support for this protocol but Microsoft is still... The one big issue is that the new protocol is not backward compatible. Fortunately, the second largest adopted web server INGNX (pronounced engineX) is now fully supporting the new standard. For more information see: http://bitsup.blogspot.de/2012/08/the-road-to-http2.html ...and... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SPDY Jim From accessd at shaw.ca Sat Aug 11 12:16:06 2012 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2012 10:16:06 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Bandwidth monitor In-Reply-To: <4CCC0AE9B48B46948323AAC9D389E719@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <50229AB0.9040102@torchlake.com><64CB831DBD6846FA814D26C3C7602D6F@creativesystemdesigns.com> <4CCC0AE9B48B46948323AAC9D389E719@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <6A49D28770E74EF4BFD81F6FAE050237@creativesystemdesigns.com> Has anyone heard of or used the following application? http://info.solarwinds.com/BWH_TECHREPUBLIC If so, what are your experiences. Jim From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Aug 13 05:07:41 2012 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 03:07:41 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Words to live by In-Reply-To: <6A49D28770E74EF4BFD81F6FAE050237@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <50229AB0.9040102@torchlake.com><64CB831DBD6846FA814D26C3C7602D6F@creativesystemdesigns.com><4CCC0AE9B48B46948323AAC9D389E719@creativesystemdesigns.com> <6A49D28770E74EF4BFD81F6FAE050237@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: Here is great list from Techrepublic; 10 things I've learned from working in IT http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/10things/10-things-ive-learned-from-working -in-it/3378?tag=nl.e101 Couldn't have said it better. Jim From gustav at cactus.dk Mon Aug 13 06:06:57 2012 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 13:06:57 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Words to live by Message-ID: Hi Jim Ouch! Where did you park your fine common sense and critical eyes this morning? I'm absolutely convinced you could have said it far better after no more than a few minutes of reflection. TechReplublic must have problems when they accept to publish such stuff. /gustav >>> accessd at shaw.ca 13-08-12 12:07 >>> Here is great list from Techrepublic; 10 things I've learned from working in IT http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/10things/10-things-ive-learned-from-working-in-it/3378 Couldn't have said it better. Jim From michael at mattysconsulting.com Mon Aug 13 08:10:59 2012 From: michael at mattysconsulting.com (Michael Mattys) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 09:10:59 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Words to live by In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <007801cd7955$169c5e60$43d51b20$@mattysconsulting.com> Gustav's response surprised me, so I had to look ... Ouch is right! I won't elaborate further, but Microsoft products do not and cannot address all problems. Microsoft products have their own limitations (and problems) whereby it is left to developers to custom craft the business process logic. It may be looked upon as an adversarial process; companies and individuals don't wish to spend the money on software or automation. Nevertheless, there are hours of design, coding, testing, implementation, security, training, and support. Let's add to that the hours of research of documentation and testing once again. These all amount to hours of time developing and time is money. A computer sales business owner once told me 10 years ago that Microsoft was going to put developers out of business. Michael R Mattys Mattys Consulting, LLC www.mattysconsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Monday, August 13, 2012 7:07 AM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Words to live by Hi Jim Ouch! Where did you park your fine common sense and critical eyes this morning? I'm absolutely convinced you could have said it far better after no more than a few minutes of reflection. TechReplublic must have problems when they accept to publish such stuff. /gustav >>> accessd at shaw.ca 13-08-12 12:07 >>> Here is great list from Techrepublic; 10 things I've learned from working in IT http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/10things/10-things-ive-learned-from-working -in-it/3378 Couldn't have said it better. Jim _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Aug 13 10:52:31 2012 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 08:52:31 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Words to live by In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48DB5286ECBC4740A5BF8BDD605EF1BA@creativesystemdesigns.com> Hi Gustav: Explain please. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Monday, August 13, 2012 4:07 AM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Words to live by Hi Jim Ouch! Where did you park your fine common sense and critical eyes this morning? I'm absolutely convinced you could have said it far better after no more than a few minutes of reflection. TechReplublic must have problems when they accept to publish such stuff. /gustav >>> accessd at shaw.ca 13-08-12 12:07 >>> Here is great list from Techrepublic; 10 things I've learned from working in IT http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/10things/10-things-ive-learned-from-working -in-it/3378 Couldn't have said it better. Jim _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From gustav at cactus.dk Mon Aug 13 11:26:45 2012 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 18:26:45 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Words to live by Message-ID: Hi Jim Even though he didn't deserve it, I had the time to add my comment. /gustav >>> accessd at shaw.ca 13-08-12 17:52 >>> Hi Gustav: Explain please. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Monday, August 13, 2012 4:07 AM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Words to live by Hi Jim Ouch! Where did you park your fine common sense and critical eyes this morning? I'm absolutely convinced you could have said it far better after no more than a few minutes of reflection. TechReplublic must have problems when they accept to publish such stuff. /gustav >>> accessd at shaw.ca 13-08-12 12:07 >>> Here is great list from Techrepublic; 10 things I've learned from working in IT http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/10things/10-things-ive-learned-from-working-in-it/3378 Couldn't have said it better. Jim From fuller.artful at gmail.com Mon Aug 13 13:57:25 2012 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 14:57:25 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Words to live by In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Of all the reads I have wasted time on, that one tops the list. I simply cannot recall anything quite this bad. I used to write for TR but this makes me never want to submit anything there again. Not even to mention the several errors in grammar, I barely know where to begin. One column-inch more devoted to this is beneath consideration. P.S. I meant the original poster, not Gustav. A. On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 12:26 PM, Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi Jim > > Even though he didn't deserve it, I had the time to add my comment. > > /gustav > > > >>> accessd at shaw.ca 13-08-12 17:52 >>> > Hi Gustav: > > Explain please. > > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock > Sent: Monday, August 13, 2012 4:07 AM > To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Words to live by > > Hi Jim > > Ouch! Where did you park your fine common sense and critical eyes this > morning? > > I'm absolutely convinced you could have said it far better after no more > than a few minutes of reflection. > > TechReplublic must have problems when they accept to publish such stuff. > > /gustav > > > From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Aug 13 14:17:00 2012 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 12:17:00 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Words to live by In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Gustav: Took a while to find your comments so I have taken the liberty of posting them here... In Europe at least, I can tell things are different. 1. Not true. Decent companies do exist. ...being one of those good companies, I see your point but much of my work comes because a previous company have promised, good, quick and cheap...and the client worked for has expected it. 2. Not true. Plain nonsense. ...Yes, he is using a generalization but I have ran across many home brewed applications that a absolutely dangerous. Fortunately most a benign. Virtualization is the solution to many of these issues. 3. Not true. We have been in business since 1993 and no machine has been brought down because of malware. ...Yes, but again if I come into a company and am allowed complete control then malware is a distant problem. It takes a combination of proper equipment, proper software and staff training. Unfortunately, many small companies (50 or less employees) have tried to do everything on the cheap, on their own and have not monitored the excesses of some of their employees. In many cases, I have been called in the middle of a disaster...if this has been his experience hence his observation. 4. True. But what's the point? Most IT-people don't need to know about RAID. Problem is that some of those that don't know feel tempted to install RAIDs anyway. Call in experts. ... I must admit I do not know where the RAID point comes in on this list but have found that clients in many cases have been conned into buying cheap junk. Dell sells some of the finest RAID controllers but their entrance level products and especially their sales staff have caused more grief than help. 5. Not true. For private people perhaps, but not businesses. ... That comment should have been better researched or stated differently. Most companies use regular backups but few small companies have ever tested them and have only done so in a disaster... that's when they call me. 6. Not true. Or rather: Who knows? ... The cloud will never replace the desktop as long as there are areas without easy and fast communication. Here, that describes most areas outside the urban centers though it is improving. 7. Not true. The true problem of Linux is that it is a total mess for anyone else than those who has been raised with Linux. ... I think you are wrong there. Linux/Unix is used as servers in virtually all medium to large companies because it is rock solid reliable. Windows servers are only (mostly) used in small to medium businesses. (All business servers I have done have been Windows) Note: all apple and android products have Unix/Linux cores. As for desktops, my last small company Linux (PC) install was the easiest install I ever did and the client is now doing almost a hundred percent of their own support. 8. True. But that is by definition and not specific for IT. The trendsetters are exactly that because the rest are not. If no one would take the lead, nothing would move. ... That was also stated poorly. All new products by definition are a little flaky and that is where IT should be bench-testing before rolling out and not blaming the technology. All good products eventually stabilize. 9. Not true. If you and the management are able to plan and control, no more mess or stress exist than in any other area. ... This depends on your clients. Some want instantaneous gratification at no costs and IT should have been called in years ago and now the companies systems are totally compromised. Stress I find is caused by being expected to be online 24x7 and doing major installs at all hours of the day and night. IT is not a nine to five venture. You are making this assumption assuming you will gain control of a company which will never happen on bigger company. 10. Not true. You can very well be a fine specialist in some stable area without knowing about any new trend. ... If you are a hired gun that is not possible. This so much depends on job description. Burn out in this business is massive. (I personally had three co-workers died before 50...over stressed and over worked. Refer to item 9) Now that I have semi-retired, my client's are all (most) over five years, some over twenty, I run and control everything technical and much of the tech is old school. Conclusion: No bumpy ride here, sorry, just some coloured chit-chat you can forget. ... Your easy experience is not the experiences that most IT world faces. Few work in closed shops, on steady wage to hours (most IT guys work for companies on fixed salary but end up working 3K plus hours per annum), without the ability to specialize; such is the contract world. Aside: In conclusion, browser deployed applications have been a God-send; some internet and most large apps intranet and so I have avoided much of the local PC issues. /gustav Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Monday, August 13, 2012 9:27 AM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Words to live by Hi Jim Even though he didn't deserve it, I had the time to add my comment. /gustav >>> accessd at shaw.ca 13-08-12 17:52 >>> Hi Gustav: Explain please. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Monday, August 13, 2012 4:07 AM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Words to live by Hi Jim Ouch! Where did you park your fine common sense and critical eyes this morning? I'm absolutely convinced you could have said it far better after no more than a few minutes of reflection. TechReplublic must have problems when they accept to publish such stuff. /gustav >>> accessd at shaw.ca 13-08-12 12:07 >>> Here is great list from Techrepublic; 10 things I've learned from working in IT http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/10things/10-things-ive-learned-from-working -in-it/3378 Couldn't have said it better. Jim _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Aug 13 14:42:40 2012 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 12:42:40 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Graphics Rendering In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <616F5887BF0B4D36A86C1E5A9C2AA125@creativesystemdesigns.com> For any of you who are involved with the world of graphics or more precisely, the world of animated graphics, the following is big news. (A family member is active in the field.) Modeling graphic wire frames and structures have been only one part of the production of a finally animation. Rendering, has long been a black art with unpredictable results depending on the complexity of the initial framework. There are many rendering engines out there, some with mixed results. Now a OSS application has been brought to the market. It seems to be supported by most of the major players so its chances of adoption are very good. Hopefully solid standardization will follow. http://graphics.pixar.com/opensubdiv Jim From hans.andersen at phulse.com Tue Aug 14 00:00:00 2012 From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 22:00:00 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] A new protocol for the web In-Reply-To: <4CCC0AE9B48B46948323AAC9D389E719@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <50229AB0.9040102@torchlake.com><64CB831DBD6846FA814D26C3C7602D6F@creativesystemdesigns.com> <4CCC0AE9B48B46948323AAC9D389E719@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: It's not just NGINX. Apache also has support for SPDY developed and open sourced by Google (so a sort of official stamp of approval). http://code.google.com/p/mod-spdy/ Hans On 2012-08-11, at 10:09 AM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > http1/2 protocol has just about run its course. > > New internet devices now absorbs so much bandwidth but see little real > performance improvement other than employing better methods to handle the > latency. > > Enter a new protocol named SPDY (pronounced speedy). Most of the major > players in the browser market have been building support for this protocol > but Microsoft is still... > > The one big issue is that the new protocol is not backward compatible. > Fortunately, the second largest adopted web server INGNX (pronounced > engineX) is now fully supporting the new standard. > > For more information see: > http://bitsup.blogspot.de/2012/08/the-road-to-http2.html > > ...and... > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SPDY > > Jim > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Tue Aug 14 10:58:25 2012 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2012 08:58:25 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] A new protocol for the web In-Reply-To: References: <50229AB0.9040102@torchlake.com><64CB831DBD6846FA814D26C3C7602D6F@creativesystemdesigns.com><4CCC0AE9B48B46948323AAC9D389E719@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <80D45FE0720E4B6780249DD0CC11520B@creativesystemdesigns.com> Thanks for catching that... NGINX The article I was reading did not mention that Apache was now on board and it appears that all the major players are there but... Microsoft is holding back and they are debating whether they can support the new standard or will they just write their own. We hope this does not turn out like the IE x debacle where MS failed to implement the W3C standards regarding HTML5 and CSS3. As the new protocol is not a hundred percent done deal maybe a negotiated standard can be set. http://news.cnet.com/8301-30685_3-57404353-264/microsoft-googles-spdy-is-nic e-for-a-faster-web-but../ The SPDY (HTTP 2.x protocol) can guarantee a 30 to an almost 50 percent increase in performance depending on the data being transferred and the requirement needed. http://www.extremetech.com/computing/124153-sm-vs-spdy-microsoft-and-google- battle-over-the-future-of-http-2-0 If you are using the Chrome browser you can do some performance testing yourself: In testing, SPDY loads web pages about 40% faster than HTTP. In practice, SPDY is currently supported by Chrome (though it will be on by default in Firefox 13), but only a handful of websites serve SPDY content (mostly Google's own services). If you've ever wondered why Chrome seems to load Google search or Gmail so much faster than other browsers, look no further than SPDY. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hans-Christian Andersen Sent: Monday, August 13, 2012 10:00 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] A new protocol for the web It's not just NGINX. Apache also has support for SPDY developed and open sourced by Google (so a sort of official stamp of approval). http://code.google.com/p/mod-spdy/ Hans On 2012-08-11, at 10:09 AM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > http1/2 protocol has just about run its course. > > New internet devices now absorbs so much bandwidth but see little real > performance improvement other than employing better methods to handle the > latency. > > Enter a new protocol named SPDY (pronounced speedy). Most of the major > players in the browser market have been building support for this protocol > but Microsoft is still... > > The one big issue is that the new protocol is not backward compatible. > Fortunately, the second largest adopted web server INGNX (pronounced > engineX) is now fully supporting the new standard. > > For more information see: > http://bitsup.blogspot.de/2012/08/the-road-to-http2.html > > ...and... > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SPDY > > Jim > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Tue Aug 14 16:08:24 2012 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2012 07:08:24 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] A new protocol for the web In-Reply-To: <80D45FE0720E4B6780249DD0CC11520B@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: , , <80D45FE0720E4B6780249DD0CC11520B@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <502ABE48.2222.89F4095@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Or Firefox - it's been available since FF 11 , but you have to specifically enable it On 14 Aug 2012 at 8:58, Jim Lawrence wrote: > If you are using the Chrome browser you can do some performance testing > yourself: > From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Tue Aug 14 16:09:45 2012 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2012 07:09:45 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] A new protocol for the web In-Reply-To: <80D45FE0720E4B6780249DD0CC11520B@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: , , <80D45FE0720E4B6780249DD0CC11520B@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <502ABE99.8580.8A07CF9@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> More hyperbole from the usual suspect? :-) In practice: http://www.guypo.com/technical/not-as-spdy-as-you-thought/ -- Stuart On 14 Aug 2012 at 8:58, Jim Lawrence wrote: > The SPDY (HTTP 2.x protocol) can guarantee a 30 to an almost 50 percent > increase in performance depending on the data being transferred and the > requirement needed. > From accessd at shaw.ca Tue Aug 14 17:21:56 2012 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2012 15:21:56 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] A new protocol for the web In-Reply-To: <502ABE99.8580.8A07CF9@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: , , <80D45FE0720E4B6780249DD0CC11520B@creativesystemdesigns.com> <502ABE99.8580.8A07CF9@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <6EE88C0AC5354D389AB6DE5652AFB2FF@creativesystemdesigns.com> Well, I would suspect there would be certain events and situations in which the new SPDY protocol would not perform as well. There are of course other circumstances in which SPDY does perform exceptionally. http://www.extremetech.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/spdy-speed-up.jpg Just an aside Podjarny Guypo also makes a unique tool set for testing the performance of your newly created Smartphone/iPhone apps and translated websites http://mobitest.akamai.com/m/index.cgi Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2012 2:10 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] A new protocol for the web More hyperbole from the usual suspect? :-) In practice: http://www.guypo.com/technical/not-as-spdy-as-you-thought/ -- Stuart On 14 Aug 2012 at 8:58, Jim Lawrence wrote: > The SPDY (HTTP 2.x protocol) can guarantee a 30 to an almost 50 percent > increase in performance depending on the data being transferred and the > requirement needed. > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Tue Aug 14 20:05:00 2012 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2012 18:05:00 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] The latest MS Surface price leak In-Reply-To: <6EE88C0AC5354D389AB6DE5652AFB2FF@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: , , <80D45FE0720E4B6780249DD0CC11520B@creativesystemdesigns.com><502ABE99.8580.8A07CF9@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <6EE88C0AC5354D389AB6DE5652AFB2FF@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <1C15252AAE3E4C7AADE6B23DE18E0A33@creativesystemdesigns.com> Surface tablets rumored to ship with $199 price tag http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/08/14/surface_199_price_tag/ That price point could change a lot of things. Jim From hans.andersen at phulse.com Tue Aug 14 22:29:23 2012 From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen) Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2012 20:29:23 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] The latest MS Surface price leak In-Reply-To: <1C15252AAE3E4C7AADE6B23DE18E0A33@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: , , <80D45FE0720E4B6780249DD0CC11520B@creativesystemdesigns.com><502ABE99.8580.8A07CF9@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <6EE88C0AC5354D389AB6DE5652AFB2FF@creativesystemdesigns.com> <1C15252AAE3E4C7AADE6B23DE18E0A33@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <19532B00-0634-4D7A-BD33-F38D2E5F1204@phulse.com> There wasn't a whole lot of positivity for this in that article. If MS does do this, then they are giving the middle finger to the OEMs and either taking a substantial loss over a long period of time of time or only having a brief amount of success for a short period of time and then a lot of negativity and disinterest when they jack prices up again. On top of this, Google's Nexus 7 is going for $200 as well and already has a strong ecosystem. Why would anyone go with a MS tablet when dominance and loyalty for Windows on desktops apparently does not transfer onto the tablet space (except for some of you diehard Microsofties)? Might as well get a Google tablet. I'm not sure this is a winning strategy and I just think it's too little too late for Microsoft to compete. IMO, the market at this point is simply about people who want iPads and people who don't. Microsoft would be better off dreaming up the next new technology that will knock everyones socks off like how Apple did with the iPhone. Hans On 2012-08-14, at 6:05 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Surface tablets rumored to ship with $199 price tag > > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/08/14/surface_199_price_tag/ > > That price point could change a lot of things. > > Jim > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Tue Aug 14 23:25:24 2012 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2012 21:25:24 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] The latest MS Surface price leak In-Reply-To: <19532B00-0634-4D7A-BD33-F38D2E5F1204@phulse.com> References: , , <80D45FE0720E4B6780249DD0CC11520B@creativesystemdesigns.com><502ABE99.8580.8A07CF9@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg><6EE88C0AC5354D389AB6DE5652AFB2FF@creativesystemdesigns.com><1C15252AAE3E4C7AADE6B23DE18E0A33@creativesystemdesigns.com> <19532B00-0634-4D7A-BD33-F38D2E5F1204@phulse.com> Message-ID: It sure is getting congested in the low end tablet market. It is definitely a buyer market. So the next question is which one is the best? ...the biggest bang for the buck? Right now I do not want a play machine, I want a work machine so that probably disqualifies me from any tablet. I also need a big screen so I do not have to get another prescription to do my work. ;-) Of course a big reading tablet would really nice...any suggestions? Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hans-Christian Andersen Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2012 8:29 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] The latest MS Surface price leak There wasn't a whole lot of positivity for this in that article. If MS does do this, then they are giving the middle finger to the OEMs and either taking a substantial loss over a long period of time of time or only having a brief amount of success for a short period of time and then a lot of negativity and disinterest when they jack prices up again. On top of this, Google's Nexus 7 is going for $200 as well and already has a strong ecosystem. Why would anyone go with a MS tablet when dominance and loyalty for Windows on desktops apparently does not transfer onto the tablet space (except for some of you diehard Microsofties)? Might as well get a Google tablet. I'm not sure this is a winning strategy and I just think it's too little too late for Microsoft to compete. IMO, the market at this point is simply about people who want iPads and people who don't. Microsoft would be better off dreaming up the next new technology that will knock everyones socks off like how Apple did with the iPhone. Hans On 2012-08-14, at 6:05 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Surface tablets rumored to ship with $199 price tag > > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/08/14/surface_199_price_tag/ > > That price point could change a lot of things. > > Jim > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Tue Aug 14 23:29:58 2012 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2012 21:29:58 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] The latest MS Surface price leak In-Reply-To: <1C15252AAE3E4C7AADE6B23DE18E0A33@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: , , <80D45FE0720E4B6780249DD0CC11520B@creativesystemdesigns.com><502ABE99.8580.8A07CF9@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg><6EE88C0AC5354D389AB6DE5652AFB2FF@creativesystemdesigns.com> <1C15252AAE3E4C7AADE6B23DE18E0A33@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <01F22434CC6C4C2CAAF690B51DAD2098@HAL9007> My son just got himself a Nexus 7. $199 from Google. When it came it was already synced with his Google account. When he turned it on for the first time it said "Hello Noah". It is one slick piece of hardware. But the hardware is just the medium for the total integration of your life into everything Google. Microsoft is not going to win this one on price or even on hardware. R -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2012 6:05 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] The latest MS Surface price leak Surface tablets rumored to ship with $199 price tag http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/08/14/surface_199_price_tag/ That price point could change a lot of things. Jim _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Tue Aug 14 23:36:07 2012 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2012 21:36:07 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] The latest MS Surface price leak In-Reply-To: <01F22434CC6C4C2CAAF690B51DAD2098@HAL9007> References: , , <80D45FE0720E4B6780249DD0CC11520B@creativesystemdesigns.com><502ABE99.8580.8A07CF9@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg><6EE88C0AC5354D389AB6DE5652AFB2FF@creativesystemdesigns.com><1C15252AAE3E4C7AADE6B23DE18E0A33@creativesystemdesigns.com> <01F22434CC6C4C2CAAF690B51DAD2098@HAL9007> Message-ID: You are probably correct. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2012 9:30 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] The latest MS Surface price leak My son just got himself a Nexus 7. $199 from Google. When it came it was already synced with his Google account. When he turned it on for the first time it said "Hello Noah". It is one slick piece of hardware. But the hardware is just the medium for the total integration of your life into everything Google. Microsoft is not going to win this one on price or even on hardware. R -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2012 6:05 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] The latest MS Surface price leak Surface tablets rumored to ship with $199 price tag http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/08/14/surface_199_price_tag/ That price point could change a lot of things. Jim _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Wed Aug 15 00:48:54 2012 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2012 22:48:54 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Latest window technology In-Reply-To: <01F22434CC6C4C2CAAF690B51DAD2098@HAL9007> References: , , <80D45FE0720E4B6780249DD0CC11520B@creativesystemdesigns.com><502ABE99.8580.8A07CF9@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg><6EE88C0AC5354D389AB6DE5652AFB2FF@creativesystemdesigns.com><1C15252AAE3E4C7AADE6B23DE18E0A33@creativesystemdesigns.com> <01F22434CC6C4C2CAAF690B51DAD2098@HAL9007> Message-ID: <7C9BEECB01294CEFAD6E6C2CA1F73136@creativesystemdesigns.com> There is a little ad (or two) in front of this video. That noted; there is an excellent demonstration of the new windows technology. http://www.5min.com/Video/CES-2012-Samsung-Smart-Window-Is-a-Glimpse-Into-th e-Future-517246696 Jim From peter.brawley at earthlink.net Wed Aug 15 08:06:28 2012 From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2012 08:06:28 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] The latest MS Surface price leak In-Reply-To: <01F22434CC6C4C2CAAF690B51DAD2098@HAL9007> References: , , <80D45FE0720E4B6780249DD0CC11520B@creativesystemdesigns.com><502ABE99.8580.8A07CF9@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg><6EE88C0AC5354D389AB6DE5652AFB2FF@creativesystemdesigns.com> <1C15252AAE3E4C7AADE6B23DE18E0A33@creativesystemdesigns.com> <01F22434CC6C4C2CAAF690B51DAD2098@HAL9007> Message-ID: <502B9ED4.3010606@earthlink.net> On 2012-08-14 11:29 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > My son just got himself a Nexus 7. $199 from Google. When it came it was > already synced with his Google account. When he turned it on for the first > time it said "Hello Noah". It is one slick piece of hardware. But the > hardware is just the medium for the total integration of your life into > everything Google. Right, any tablet running Android 4.0 gets you that kind of integration. Alas the Nexus has no microSD slot, so you must depend on the cloud. No thanks. PB ----- > > Microsoft is not going to win this one on price or even on hardware. > > R > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence > Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2012 6:05 PM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: [dba-Tech] The latest MS Surface price leak > > Surface tablets rumored to ship with $199 price tag > > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/08/14/surface_199_price_tag/ > > That price point could change a lot of things. > > Jim > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Wed Aug 15 08:33:43 2012 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2012 06:33:43 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] The latest MS Surface price leak In-Reply-To: <502B9ED4.3010606@earthlink.net> References: , , <80D45FE0720E4B6780249DD0CC11520B@creativesystemdesigns.com><502ABE99.8580.8A07CF9@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg><6EE88C0AC5354D389AB6DE5652AFB2FF@creativesystemdesigns.com><1C15252AAE3E4C7AADE6B23DE18E0A33@creativesystemdesigns.com><01F22434CC6C4C2CAAF690B51DAD2098@HAL9007> <502B9ED4.3010606@earthlink.net> Message-ID: For a tablet I don't see the cloud as a big negative. I wouldn't store my company data there or large docs, etc. Since you're not going to be doing any real development work on a tablet. But, AFAICT, and I'm not a tablet user, the stuff that Google holds for you is all pretty small but useful stuff - calendar, email, contacts, etc. The rest of its utility seems to be in the apps - GPS, web surfing for news and other info. So I'm wondering if the lack of SD is going to be a problem. I suppose if you want to take a couple of movies with you on a long flight. But you can store an awful lot of music and books in a couple of GB. R -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Peter Brawley Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 6:06 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] The latest MS Surface price leak On 2012-08-14 11:29 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > My son just got himself a Nexus 7. $199 from Google. When it came it > was already synced with his Google account. When he turned it on for > the first time it said "Hello Noah". It is one slick piece of > hardware. But the hardware is just the medium for the total > integration of your life into everything Google. Right, any tablet running Android 4.0 gets you that kind of integration. Alas the Nexus has no microSD slot, so you must depend on the cloud. No thanks. PB ----- > > Microsoft is not going to win this one on price or even on hardware. > > R > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim > Lawrence > Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2012 6:05 PM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: [dba-Tech] The latest MS Surface price leak > > Surface tablets rumored to ship with $199 price tag > > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/08/14/surface_199_price_tag/ > > That price point could change a lot of things. > > Jim > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From peter.brawley at earthlink.net Wed Aug 15 08:49:31 2012 From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2012 08:49:31 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] The latest MS Surface price leak In-Reply-To: References: , , <80D45FE0720E4B6780249DD0CC11520B@creativesystemdesigns.com><502ABE99.8580.8A07CF9@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg><6EE88C0AC5354D389AB6DE5652AFB2FF@creativesystemdesigns.com><1C15252AAE3E4C7AADE6B23DE18E0A33@creativesystemdesigns.com><01F22434CC6C4C2CAAF690B51DAD2098@HAL9007> <502B9ED4.3010606@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <502BA8EB.7030304@earthlink.net> On 2012-08-15 8:33 AM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > For a tablet I don't see the cloud as a big negative. I wouldn't store my > company data there or large docs, etc. Since you're not going to be doing > any real development work on a tablet. But, AFAICT, and I'm not a tablet > user, the stuff that Google holds for you is all pretty small but useful > stuff - calendar, email, contacts, etc. Yep, and I'd rather not have to pay a 3G/4G connection toll for accessing it. > The rest of its utility seems to > be in the apps - GPS, web surfing for news and other info. > > So I'm wondering if the lack of SD is going to be a problem. I suppose if > you want to take a couple of movies with you on a long flight. But you can > store an awful lot of music and books in a couple of GB. Movies concerts & big docs for any stretch of time where you're away from your network, that's where you need 32GB or so of microSD. PB > > R > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Peter Brawley > Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 6:06 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] The latest MS Surface price leak > > On 2012-08-14 11:29 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote: >> My son just got himself a Nexus 7. $199 from Google. When it came it >> was already synced with his Google account. When he turned it on for >> the first time it said "Hello Noah". It is one slick piece of >> hardware. But the hardware is just the medium for the total >> integration of your life into everything Google. > Right, any tablet running Android 4.0 gets you that kind of integration. > > Alas the Nexus has no microSD slot, so you must depend on the cloud. No > thanks. > > PB > > ----- > >> Microsoft is not going to win this one on price or even on hardware. >> >> R >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim >> Lawrence >> Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2012 6:05 PM >> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' >> Subject: [dba-Tech] The latest MS Surface price leak >> >> Surface tablets rumored to ship with $199 price tag >> >> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/08/14/surface_199_price_tag/ >> >> That price point could change a lot of things. >> >> Jim >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From accessd at shaw.ca Wed Aug 15 10:10:55 2012 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2012 08:10:55 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] The latest MS Surface price leak In-Reply-To: References: , , <80D45FE0720E4B6780249DD0CC11520B@creativesystemdesigns.com><502ABE99.8580.8A07CF9@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg><6EE88C0AC5354D389AB6DE5652AFB2FF@creativesystemdesigns.com><1C15252AAE3E4C7AADE6B23DE18E0A33@creativesystemdesigns.com><01F22434CC6C4C2CAAF690B51DAD2098@HAL9007><502B9ED4.3010606@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Well, a tablet is not a work machine. It is something you have so you can scan the internet, play songs, read books, listen to pod casts and checkout Facebook and your friends. If you are planning on using it to take lots of pictures, do programming or graphic editing on and a place to store documents, you are using the wrong type of computer. If you do require extra space you can always hook the tablet to your laptop through its USB connector. If your needs fit above description it is a perfect computer. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 6:34 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] The latest MS Surface price leak For a tablet I don't see the cloud as a big negative. I wouldn't store my company data there or large docs, etc. Since you're not going to be doing any real development work on a tablet. But, AFAICT, and I'm not a tablet user, the stuff that Google holds for you is all pretty small but useful stuff - calendar, email, contacts, etc. The rest of its utility seems to be in the apps - GPS, web surfing for news and other info. So I'm wondering if the lack of SD is going to be a problem. I suppose if you want to take a couple of movies with you on a long flight. But you can store an awful lot of music and books in a couple of GB. R -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Peter Brawley Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 6:06 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] The latest MS Surface price leak On 2012-08-14 11:29 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > My son just got himself a Nexus 7. $199 from Google. When it came it > was already synced with his Google account. When he turned it on for > the first time it said "Hello Noah". It is one slick piece of > hardware. But the hardware is just the medium for the total > integration of your life into everything Google. Right, any tablet running Android 4.0 gets you that kind of integration. Alas the Nexus has no microSD slot, so you must depend on the cloud. No thanks. PB ----- > > Microsoft is not going to win this one on price or even on hardware. > > R > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim > Lawrence > Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2012 6:05 PM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: [dba-Tech] The latest MS Surface price leak > > Surface tablets rumored to ship with $199 price tag > > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/08/14/surface_199_price_tag/ > > That price point could change a lot of things. > > Jim > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From hans.andersen at phulse.com Wed Aug 15 11:54:18 2012 From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2012 09:54:18 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] The latest MS Surface price leak In-Reply-To: References: <80D45FE0720E4B6780249DD0CC11520B@creativesystemdesigns.com> <502ABE99.8580.8A07CF9@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <6EE88C0AC5354D389AB6DE5652AFB2FF@creativesystemdesigns.com> <1C15252AAE3E4C7AADE6B23DE18E0A33@creativesystemdesigns.com> <01F22434CC6C4C2CAAF690B51DAD2098@HAL9007> <502B9ED4.3010606@earthlink.net> Message-ID: You can also run your own cloud server and access your files which are stored at home safely from anywhere. That's what I'm doing with my Pogoplug. There's a native client for android and iOS to access and sync your files with. You don't even need to buy a separate unit. You can also install the server on your desktop and turn your computer into a cloud server. - Hans Sent from my iPhone On 2012-08-15, at 8:10 AM, "Jim Lawrence" wrote: > Well, a tablet is not a work machine. > > It is something you have so you can scan the internet, play songs, read > books, listen to pod casts and checkout Facebook and your friends. If you > are planning on using it to take lots of pictures, do programming or graphic > editing on and a place to store documents, you are using the wrong type of > computer. > > If you do require extra space you can always hook the tablet to your laptop > through its USB connector. > > If your needs fit above description it is a perfect computer. > > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin > Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 6:34 AM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] The latest MS Surface price leak > > For a tablet I don't see the cloud as a big negative. I wouldn't store my > company data there or large docs, etc. Since you're not going to be doing > any real development work on a tablet. But, AFAICT, and I'm not a tablet > user, the stuff that Google holds for you is all pretty small but useful > stuff - calendar, email, contacts, etc. The rest of its utility seems to > be in the apps - GPS, web surfing for news and other info. > > So I'm wondering if the lack of SD is going to be a problem. I suppose if > you want to take a couple of movies with you on a long flight. But you can > store an awful lot of music and books in a couple of GB. > > R > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Peter Brawley > Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 6:06 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] The latest MS Surface price leak > > On 2012-08-14 11:29 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote: >> My son just got himself a Nexus 7. $199 from Google. When it came it >> was already synced with his Google account. When he turned it on for >> the first time it said "Hello Noah". It is one slick piece of >> hardware. But the hardware is just the medium for the total >> integration of your life into everything Google. > > Right, any tablet running Android 4.0 gets you that kind of integration. > > Alas the Nexus has no microSD slot, so you must depend on the cloud. No > thanks. > > PB > > ----- > >> >> Microsoft is not going to win this one on price or even on hardware. >> >> R >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim >> Lawrence >> Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2012 6:05 PM >> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' >> Subject: [dba-Tech] The latest MS Surface price leak >> >> Surface tablets rumored to ship with $199 price tag >> >> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/08/14/surface_199_price_tag/ >> >> That price point could change a lot of things. >> >> Jim >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Wed Aug 15 15:01:50 2012 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2012 06:01:50 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] The latest MS Surface price leak In-Reply-To: <502BA8EB.7030304@earthlink.net> References: , , <502BA8EB.7030304@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <502C002E.14407.D88AE6E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Yep, You can certainly chew up the high cost MBytes if you are storing everything in the cloud and using a 3/4G connection - especially if roaming internationally - then they really hit you with high MB rates. I also second the microSD - that's why I put a 32GB card in my Motorola Xoom which came with 32GB internal. A few movies to while away the time in airport waiting lounges can take a lot more the a couple of GB. :-) On 15 Aug 2012 at 8:49, Peter Brawley wrote: > On 2012-08-15 8:33 AM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > > For a tablet I don't see the cloud as a big negative. I wouldn't store my > > company data there or large docs, etc. Since you're not going to be doing > > any real development work on a tablet. But, AFAICT, and I'm not a tablet > > user, the stuff that Google holds for you is all pretty small but useful > > stuff - calendar, email, contacts, etc. > Yep, and I'd rather not have to pay a 3G/4G connection toll for > accessing it. > > The rest of its utility seems to > > be in the apps - GPS, web surfing for news and other info. > > > > So I'm wondering if the lack of SD is going to be a problem. I suppose if > > you want to take a couple of movies with you on a long flight. But you can > > store an awful lot of music and books in a couple of GB. > > Movies concerts & big docs for any stretch of time where you're away > from your network, that's where you need 32GB or so of microSD. > > PB > > > > > > R > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Peter Brawley > > Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 6:06 AM > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] The latest MS Surface price leak > > > > On 2012-08-14 11:29 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > >> My son just got himself a Nexus 7. $199 from Google. When it came it > >> was already synced with his Google account. When he turned it on for > >> the first time it said "Hello Noah". It is one slick piece of > >> hardware. But the hardware is just the medium for the total > >> integration of your life into everything Google. > > Right, any tablet running Android 4.0 gets you that kind of integration. > > > > Alas the Nexus has no microSD slot, so you must depend on the cloud. No > > thanks. > > > > PB > > > > ----- > > > >> Microsoft is not going to win this one on price or even on hardware. > >> > >> R > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > >> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim > >> Lawrence > >> Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2012 6:05 PM > >> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > >> Subject: [dba-Tech] The latest MS Surface price leak > >> > >> Surface tablets rumored to ship with $199 price tag > >> > >> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/08/14/surface_199_price_tag/ > >> > >> That price point could change a lot of things. > >> > >> Jim > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> dba-Tech mailing list > >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> dba-Tech mailing list > >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Wed Aug 15 15:10:14 2012 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2012 06:10:14 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] The latest MS Surface price leak In-Reply-To: References: , , Message-ID: <502C0226.32439.D905C97@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Everyone's requirements are different. Among other uses, mine is used to: monitor/respond to my email 24/7 trouble shoot wireless networks manage hosted domains through a web interface when I am away from the office capture data for different purposes (keyed, barcode scans, photos) carry reference material (PDF formatted documentation for all sorts of things) They can be a lot more that just social/personal tools. (I may have already mentioned that we used them for collecting and transmitting results from all counting centres in the recent PNG National Elections). -- Stuart On 15 Aug 2012 at 8:10, Jim Lawrence wrote: > It is something you have so you can scan the internet, play songs, read > books, listen to pod casts and checkout Facebook and your friends. If you > are planning on using it to take lots of pictures, do programming or graphic > editing on and a place to store documents, you are using the wrong type of > computer. > From peter.brawley at earthlink.net Wed Aug 15 15:55:52 2012 From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2012 15:55:52 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] The latest MS Surface price leak In-Reply-To: <502C002E.14407.D88AE6E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: , , <502BA8EB.7030304@earthlink.net> <502C002E.14407.D88AE6E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <502C0CD8.1090304@earthlink.net> On 2012-08-15 3:01 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote: > Yep, You can certainly chew up the high cost MBytes if you are storing everything in the > cloud and using a 3/4G connection - especially if roaming internationally - then they really hit > you with high MB rates. > > I also second the microSD - that's why I put a 32GB card in my Motorola Xoom which came > with 32GB internal. A few movies to while away the time in airport waiting lounges can take a > lot more the a couple of GB. :-) Yep, at 720x480, 1GB gets you up to about 2hrs of movie. PB ----- > > > On 15 Aug 2012 at 8:49, Peter Brawley wrote: > >> On 2012-08-15 8:33 AM, Rocky Smolin wrote: >>> For a tablet I don't see the cloud as a big negative. I wouldn't store my >>> company data there or large docs, etc. Since you're not going to be doing >>> any real development work on a tablet. But, AFAICT, and I'm not a tablet >>> user, the stuff that Google holds for you is all pretty small but useful >>> stuff - calendar, email, contacts, etc. >> Yep, and I'd rather not have to pay a 3G/4G connection toll for >> accessing it. >>> The rest of its utility seems to >>> be in the apps - GPS, web surfing for news and other info. >>> >>> So I'm wondering if the lack of SD is going to be a problem. I suppose if >>> you want to take a couple of movies with you on a long flight. But you can >>> store an awful lot of music and books in a couple of GB. >> Movies concerts & big docs for any stretch of time where you're away >> from your network, that's where you need 32GB or so of microSD. >> >> PB >> >> >>> R >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Peter Brawley >>> Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 6:06 AM >>> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues >>> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] The latest MS Surface price leak >>> >>> On 2012-08-14 11:29 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote: >>>> My son just got himself a Nexus 7. $199 from Google. When it came it >>>> was already synced with his Google account. When he turned it on for >>>> the first time it said "Hello Noah". It is one slick piece of >>>> hardware. But the hardware is just the medium for the total >>>> integration of your life into everything Google. >>> Right, any tablet running Android 4.0 gets you that kind of integration. >>> >>> Alas the Nexus has no microSD slot, so you must depend on the cloud. No >>> thanks. >>> >>> PB >>> >>> ----- >>> >>>> Microsoft is not going to win this one on price or even on hardware. >>>> >>>> R >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >>>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim >>>> Lawrence >>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2012 6:05 PM >>>> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' >>>> Subject: [dba-Tech] The latest MS Surface price leak >>>> >>>> Surface tablets rumored to ship with $199 price tag >>>> >>>> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/08/14/surface_199_price_tag/ >>>> >>>> That price point could change a lot of things. >>>> >>>> Jim >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> dba-Tech mailing list >>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> dba-Tech mailing list >>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> dba-Tech mailing list >>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> dba-Tech mailing list >>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From hans.andersen at phulse.com Wed Aug 15 16:14:52 2012 From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2012 14:14:52 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] The latest MS Surface price leak In-Reply-To: <502C0CD8.1090304@earthlink.net> References: <502BA8EB.7030304@earthlink.net> <502C002E.14407.D88AE6E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <502C0CD8.1090304@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <54794915-3FD2-4B15-8469-007624E60521@phulse.com> A lot of these home cloud services will do on the fly transcoding and streaming to reformat your videos to make a smaller footprint on your bandwidth. But, yes, that is always going to be an issue when you are working completely mobile/remote (whether on a laptop, phone or tablet). But if the world is going mobile, costs should come down eventually and be more competitive. Eventually. We are light years ahead of where we were 10 years ago. - Hans Sent from my iPhone On 2012-08-15, at 1:55 PM, Peter Brawley wrote: > On 2012-08-15 3:01 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote: >> Yep, You can certainly chew up the high cost MBytes if you are storing everything in the >> cloud and using a 3/4G connection - especially if roaming internationally - then they really hit >> you with high MB rates. >> >> I also second the microSD - that's why I put a 32GB card in my Motorola Xoom which came >> with 32GB internal. A few movies to while away the time in airport waiting lounges can take a >> lot more the a couple of GB. :-) > > Yep, at 720x480, 1GB gets you up to about 2hrs of movie. > > PB > > ----- > >> >> >> On 15 Aug 2012 at 8:49, Peter Brawley wrote: >> >>> On 2012-08-15 8:33 AM, Rocky Smolin wrote: >>>> For a tablet I don't see the cloud as a big negative. I wouldn't store my >>>> company data there or large docs, etc. Since you're not going to be doing >>>> any real development work on a tablet. But, AFAICT, and I'm not a tablet >>>> user, the stuff that Google holds for you is all pretty small but useful >>>> stuff - calendar, email, contacts, etc. >>> Yep, and I'd rather not have to pay a 3G/4G connection toll for >>> accessing it. >>>> The rest of its utility seems to >>>> be in the apps - GPS, web surfing for news and other info. >>>> >>>> So I'm wondering if the lack of SD is going to be a problem. I suppose if >>>> you want to take a couple of movies with you on a long flight. But you can >>>> store an awful lot of music and books in a couple of GB. >>> Movies concerts & big docs for any stretch of time where you're away >>> from your network, that's where you need 32GB or so of microSD. >>> >>> PB >>> >>> >>>> R >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >>>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Peter Brawley >>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 6:06 AM >>>> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues >>>> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] The latest MS Surface price leak >>>> >>>> On 2012-08-14 11:29 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote: >>>>> My son just got himself a Nexus 7. $199 from Google. When it came it >>>>> was already synced with his Google account. When he turned it on for >>>>> the first time it said "Hello Noah". It is one slick piece of >>>>> hardware. But the hardware is just the medium for the total >>>>> integration of your life into everything Google. >>>> Right, any tablet running Android 4.0 gets you that kind of integration. >>>> >>>> Alas the Nexus has no microSD slot, so you must depend on the cloud. No >>>> thanks. >>>> >>>> PB >>>> >>>> ----- >>>> >>>>> Microsoft is not going to win this one on price or even on hardware. >>>>> >>>>> R >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >>>>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim >>>>> Lawrence >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2012 6:05 PM >>>>> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' >>>>> Subject: [dba-Tech] The latest MS Surface price leak >>>>> >>>>> Surface tablets rumored to ship with $199 price tag >>>>> >>>>> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/08/14/surface_199_price_tag/ >>>>> >>>>> That price point could change a lot of things. >>>>> >>>>> Jim >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> dba-Tech mailing list >>>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> dba-Tech mailing list >>>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> dba-Tech mailing list >>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> dba-Tech mailing list >>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> dba-Tech mailing list >>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Aug 20 11:41:18 2012 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 09:41:18 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] 10 reasons I can't wait to get a Microsoft Surface tablet In-Reply-To: <54794915-3FD2-4B15-8469-007624E60521@phulse.com> References: <502BA8EB.7030304@earthlink.net><502C002E.14407.D88AE6E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg><502C0CD8.1090304@earthlink.net> <54794915-3FD2-4B15-8469-007624E60521@phulse.com> Message-ID: <6C27BC9C65384AA8B3666BEC25F44DFA@creativesystemdesigns.com> Here is an review posted on TechRepublic. 10 reasons I can't wait to get a Microsoft Surface tablet. http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/10things/10-reasons-i-cant-wait-to-get-a-mi crosoft-surface-tablet/3386?tag=nl.e101 One cynic friend noted, "It sounds great; too bad it only runs Win8." Jim From peter.brawley at earthlink.net Mon Aug 20 12:27:02 2012 From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 12:27:02 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] 10 reasons I can't wait to get a Microsoft Surface tablet In-Reply-To: <6C27BC9C65384AA8B3666BEC25F44DFA@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <502BA8EB.7030304@earthlink.net><502C002E.14407.D88AE6E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg><502C0CD8.1090304@earthlink.net> <54794915-3FD2-4B15-8469-007624E60521@phulse.com> <6C27BC9C65384AA8B3666BEC25F44DFA@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <50327366.2080704@earthlink.net> On 2012-08-20 11:41 AM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/10things/10-reasons-i-cant-wait-to-get-a-mi > crosoft-surface-tablet/3386?tag=nl.e101 otoh ... 1: I don't want a closed source OS on my tablet 2: I don't want my tablet to be a full participant in my network 3: In a tablet, touch is enough for me. 4. I've no desire to create content on my tablet. 5: $20 for a 3P kickstand is a small price to pay for avoiding closed source OS 6. I don't want to carry a pen. 7: For what I want to do with a tablet, 7" is about right. 8. I'd like 64GB or even 128GB of microSD space but 32GB is more than I can actually use 9: Case colour choice isn't interesting 10 Closed source + Microsoft's bug history = nightmare PB From john at winhaven.net Mon Aug 20 12:46:13 2012 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 12:46:13 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] 10 reasons I can't wait to get a Microsoft Surface tablet In-Reply-To: <6C27BC9C65384AA8B3666BEC25F44DFA@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <502BA8EB.7030304@earthlink.net><502C002E.14407.D88AE6E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg><502C0CD8.1090304@earthlink.net> <54794915-3FD2-4B15-8469-007624E60521@phulse.com> <6C27BC9C65384AA8B3666BEC25F44DFA@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <046601cd7efb$b19d2790$14d776b0$@winhaven.net> I'm waiting for it. Sick of the toys. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Monday, August 20, 2012 11:41 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] 10 reasons I can't wait to get a Microsoft Surface tablet Here is an review posted on TechRepublic. 10 reasons I can't wait to get a Microsoft Surface tablet. http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/10things/10-reasons-i-cant-wait-to-get-a-mi crosoft-surface-tablet/3386?tag=nl.e101 One cynic friend noted, "It sounds great; too bad it only runs Win8." Jim _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Mon Aug 20 13:14:22 2012 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 14:14:22 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] 10 reasons I can't wait to get a Microsoft Surface tablet In-Reply-To: <046601cd7efb$b19d2790$14d776b0$@winhaven.net> References: <502BA8EB.7030304@earthlink.net> <502C002E.14407.D88AE6E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <502C0CD8.1090304@earthlink.net> <54794915-3FD2-4B15-8469-007624E60521@phulse.com> <6C27BC9C65384AA8B3666BEC25F44DFA@creativesystemdesigns.com> <046601cd7efb$b19d2790$14d776b0$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: My hat is in the same ring as Peter's. I'm all in for Aconia and Google Nexus 7, not MS's version. Thanks but no thanks. A. From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Aug 20 13:41:32 2012 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 11:41:32 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] 10 reasons I can't wait to get a Microsoft Surface tablet In-Reply-To: <50327366.2080704@earthlink.net> References: <502BA8EB.7030304@earthlink.net><502C002E.14407.D88AE6E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg><502C0CD8.1090304@earthlink.net><54794915-3FD2-4B15-8469-007624E60521@phulse.com><6C27BC9C65384AA8B3666BEC25F44DFA@creativesystemdesigns.com> <50327366.2080704@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4FB16EF0B61B42B4962F62DBBCDDA2B0@creativesystemdesigns.com> That seems like a very concise summary. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Peter Brawley Sent: Monday, August 20, 2012 10:27 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] 10 reasons I can't wait to get a Microsoft Surface tablet On 2012-08-20 11:41 AM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/10things/10-reasons-i-cant-wait-to-get-a-mi > crosoft-surface-tablet/3386?tag=nl.e101 otoh ... 1: I don't want a closed source OS on my tablet 2: I don't want my tablet to be a full participant in my network 3: In a tablet, touch is enough for me. 4. I've no desire to create content on my tablet. 5: $20 for a 3P kickstand is a small price to pay for avoiding closed source OS 6. I don't want to carry a pen. 7: For what I want to do with a tablet, 7" is about right. 8. I'd like 64GB or even 128GB of microSD space but 32GB is more than I can actually use 9: Case colour choice isn't interesting 10 Closed source + Microsoft's bug history = nightmare PB _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Aug 20 13:44:11 2012 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 11:44:11 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] 10 reasons I can't wait to get a Microsoft Surfacetablet In-Reply-To: <046601cd7efb$b19d2790$14d776b0$@winhaven.net> References: <502BA8EB.7030304@earthlink.net><502C002E.14407.D88AE6E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg><502C0CD8.1090304@earthlink.net> <54794915-3FD2-4B15-8469-007624E60521@phulse.com><6C27BC9C65384AA8B3666BEC25F44DFA@creativesystemdesigns.com> <046601cd7efb$b19d2790$14d776b0$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: <52E72AEDF5314E9095DDD3819B382BAF@creativesystemdesigns.com> Back from holidays? I hope you burned yourself (Whoops, did that jealous comment slip out.) ;-) According to your facebook entries you had a great time. :-) Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Monday, August 20, 2012 10:46 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] 10 reasons I can't wait to get a Microsoft Surfacetablet I'm waiting for it. Sick of the toys. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Monday, August 20, 2012 11:41 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] 10 reasons I can't wait to get a Microsoft Surface tablet Here is an review posted on TechRepublic. 10 reasons I can't wait to get a Microsoft Surface tablet. http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/10things/10-reasons-i-cant-wait-to-get-a-mi crosoft-surface-tablet/3386?tag=nl.e101 One cynic friend noted, "It sounds great; too bad it only runs Win8." Jim _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From john at winhaven.net Mon Aug 20 13:46:14 2012 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 13:46:14 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] 10 reasons I can't wait to get a Microsoft Surface tablet In-Reply-To: <50327366.2080704@earthlink.net> References: <502BA8EB.7030304@earthlink.net><502C002E.14407.D88AE6E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg><502C0CD8.1090304@earthlink.net> <54794915-3FD2-4B15-8469-007624E60521@phulse.com> <6C27BC9C65384AA8B3666BEC25F44DFA@creativesystemdesigns.com> <50327366.2080704@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <04ca01cd7f04$14ce6600$3e6b3200$@winhaven.net> I'll take it though. I agree with most of what the author states in the article. BTW what difference does closed source OS makes anymore? (Other than price.) Android is hardly wavering to open source concerns and iOS?! And bugs? At times, my android tablet is nothing short of frustrating. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Peter Brawley Sent: Monday, August 20, 2012 12:27 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] 10 reasons I can't wait to get a Microsoft Surface tablet On 2012-08-20 11:41 AM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/10things/10-reasons-i-cant-wait-to-ge > t-a-mi > crosoft-surface-tablet/3386?tag=nl.e101 otoh ... 1: I don't want a closed source OS on my tablet 2: I don't want my tablet to be a full participant in my network 3: In a tablet, touch is enough for me. 4. I've no desire to create content on my tablet. 5: $20 for a 3P kickstand is a small price to pay for avoiding closed source OS 6. I don't want to carry a pen. 7: For what I want to do with a tablet, 7" is about right. 8. I'd like 64GB or even 128GB of microSD space but 32GB is more than I can actually use 9: Case colour choice isn't interesting 10 Closed source + Microsoft's bug history = nightmare PB _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From peter.brawley at earthlink.net Mon Aug 20 13:55:00 2012 From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 13:55:00 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] 10 reasons I can't wait to get a Microsoft Surface tablet In-Reply-To: <04ca01cd7f04$14ce6600$3e6b3200$@winhaven.net> References: <502BA8EB.7030304@earthlink.net><502C002E.14407.D88AE6E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg><502C0CD8.1090304@earthlink.net> <54794915-3FD2-4B15-8469-007624E60521@phulse.com> <6C27BC9C65384AA8B3666BEC25F44DFA@creativesystemdesigns.com> <50327366.2080704@earthlink.net> <04ca01cd7f04$14ce6600$3e6b3200$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: <50328804.9030303@earthlink.net> On 2012-08-20 1:46 PM, John Bartow wrote: > I'll take it though. I agree with most of what the author states in the > article. > > BTW what difference does closed source OS makes anymore? Open source seems to deliver less restriction of my choices, fewer bugs, a more open apps market, a quicker response/update time all round, and more free apps. PB ----- > (Other than price.) > Android is hardly wavering to open source concerns and iOS?! > > And bugs? At times, my android tablet is nothing short of frustrating. > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Peter Brawley > Sent: Monday, August 20, 2012 12:27 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] 10 reasons I can't wait to get a Microsoft Surface > tablet > > On 2012-08-20 11:41 AM, Jim Lawrence wrote: >> http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/10things/10-reasons-i-cant-wait-to-ge >> t-a-mi >> crosoft-surface-tablet/3386?tag=nl.e101 > otoh ... > > 1: I don't want a closed source OS on my tablet > 2: I don't want my tablet to be a full participant in my network > 3: In a tablet, touch is enough for me. > 4. I've no desire to create content on my tablet. > 5: $20 for a 3P kickstand is a small price to pay for avoiding closed source > OS 6. I don't want to carry a pen. > 7: For what I want to do with a tablet, 7" is about right. > 8. I'd like 64GB or even 128GB of microSD space but 32GB is more than I can > actually use > 9: Case colour choice isn't interesting > 10 Closed source + Microsoft's bug history = nightmare > > PB > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Aug 20 14:54:18 2012 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 12:54:18 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] 10 reasons I can't wait to get a Microsoft Surface tablet In-Reply-To: <50328804.9030303@earthlink.net> References: <502BA8EB.7030304@earthlink.net><502C002E.14407.D88AE6E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg><502C0CD8.1090304@earthlink.net> <54794915-3FD2-4B15-8469-007624E60521@phulse.com> <6C27BC9C65384AA8B3666BEC25F44DFA@creativesystemdesigns.com><50327366.2080704@earthlink.net><04ca01cd7f04$14ce6600$3e6b3200$@winhaven.net> <50328804.9030303@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <844B2A4B40A648EAB6CC297641A96C09@creativesystemdesigns.com> You have to admit that is true John. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Peter Brawley Sent: Monday, August 20, 2012 11:55 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] 10 reasons I can't wait to get a Microsoft Surface tablet On 2012-08-20 1:46 PM, John Bartow wrote: > I'll take it though. I agree with most of what the author states in the > article. > > BTW what difference does closed source OS makes anymore? Open source seems to deliver less restriction of my choices, fewer bugs, a more open apps market, a quicker response/update time all round, and more free apps. PB ----- > (Other than price.) > Android is hardly wavering to open source concerns and iOS?! > > And bugs? At times, my android tablet is nothing short of frustrating. > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Peter Brawley > Sent: Monday, August 20, 2012 12:27 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] 10 reasons I can't wait to get a Microsoft Surface > tablet > > On 2012-08-20 11:41 AM, Jim Lawrence wrote: >> http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/10things/10-reasons-i-cant-wait-to-ge >> t-a-mi >> crosoft-surface-tablet/3386?tag=nl.e101 > otoh ... > > 1: I don't want a closed source OS on my tablet > 2: I don't want my tablet to be a full participant in my network > 3: In a tablet, touch is enough for me. > 4. I've no desire to create content on my tablet. > 5: $20 for a 3P kickstand is a small price to pay for avoiding closed source > OS 6. I don't want to carry a pen. > 7: For what I want to do with a tablet, 7" is about right. > 8. I'd like 64GB or even 128GB of microSD space but 32GB is more than I can > actually use > 9: Case colour choice isn't interesting > 10 Closed source + Microsoft's bug history = nightmare > > PB > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Tue Aug 21 16:23:15 2012 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 14:23:15 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] CSS3 is evolving yet again In-Reply-To: <04ca01cd7f04$14ce6600$3e6b3200$@winhaven.net> References: <502BA8EB.7030304@earthlink.net><502C002E.14407.D88AE6E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg><502C0CD8.1090304@earthlink.net> <54794915-3FD2-4B15-8469-007624E60521@phulse.com> <6C27BC9C65384AA8B3666BEC25F44DFA@creativesystemdesigns.com><50327366.2080704@earthlink.net> <04ca01cd7f04$14ce6600$3e6b3200$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: <472049D105214EBC9AAE6650918DA892@creativesystemdesigns.com> With our web development, HTML has made huge strides in the last few years, now called HTML5 and also the extending functionality of CSS, now called CSS3. Now CSS3 has made another set of advances. With CSS3, you have the ability to apply mathematical relationships against object properties. For example: this new functionality will allow for more seamless integration between web based PC, Tablet and Cell phone applications. Just get the screen real-state numbers and apply an appropriate ratio value to all the object on the page. http://www.alistapart.com/articles/love-the-boring-bits-of-css/ Jim From michael at mattysconsulting.com Wed Aug 22 05:46:56 2012 From: michael at mattysconsulting.com (Michael Mattys) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 06:46:56 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] CSS3 is evolving yet again In-Reply-To: <472049D105214EBC9AAE6650918DA892@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <502BA8EB.7030304@earthlink.net><502C002E.14407.D88AE6E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg><502C0CD8.1090304@earthlink.net> <54794915-3FD2-4B15-8469-007624E60521@phulse.com> <6C27BC9C65384AA8B3666BEC25F44DFA@creativesystemdesigns.com><50327366.2080704@earthlink.net> <04ca01cd7f04$14ce6600$3e6b3200$@winhaven.net> <472049D105214EBC9AAE6650918DA892@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <00d501cd8053$743d2ea0$5cb78be0$@mattysconsulting.com> Thanks Jim. Viewport calculations and sizing have always been too difficult. I look forward to seeing how responsive this is. Calc() within Calc() looks like it could be quite powerful. Michael R Mattys Mattys Consulting, LLC www.mattysconsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 5:23 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] CSS3 is evolving yet again With our web development, HTML has made huge strides in the last few years, now called HTML5 and also the extending functionality of CSS, now called CSS3. Now CSS3 has made another set of advances. With CSS3, you have the ability to apply mathematical relationships against object properties. For example: this new functionality will allow for more seamless integration between web based PC, Tablet and Cell phone applications. Just get the screen real-state numbers and apply an appropriate ratio value to all the object on the page. http://www.alistapart.com/articles/love-the-boring-bits-of-css/ Jim _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From michael at mattysconsulting.com Wed Aug 22 10:23:05 2012 From: michael at mattysconsulting.com (Michael Mattys) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 11:23:05 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Crystal Reports Opportunity Message-ID: <00f901cd807a$08aec7d0$1a0c5770$@mattysconsulting.com> Hi Folks, My client is seeking a Crystal Reports developer. This is a south-western State College for health care training. He said it is definitely not simple stuff. Please send an email to michael at mattysconsulting to obtain contact information. Thanks, Michael R Mattys Mattys Consulting, LLC www.mattysconsulting.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Fri Aug 24 04:42:38 2012 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 05:42:38 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Strip Billiards Message-ID: Apparently at least one of the Royals likes this variant on the classic game. But it gave me pause: the problem I face is that I am a very good pool player, and skilled at all the variants of billiards, so the question arises, Do I want to win or lose? Should I win, then I am left fully or partially clothed, while the princely loser strutteh about in all his Royal nudity. It's enough to make one want to throw the game, but alas, that is not in my nature. Give me a pool cue and then watch out: you'll be in your skivvies and less within a shot or three. Give me a decent shot and chances are the game is over... but what a sour taste is such a victory! There I stand, fully clothed, while the Prince cavorts Naked! What sort of justice is that? From accessd at shaw.ca Fri Aug 24 04:51:11 2012 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 02:51:11 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Strip Billiards In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <760F55B2E8A5424BBD11529883A27D94@creativesystemdesigns.com> Depends on the venue. ;-) Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 2:43 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Strip Billiards Apparently at least one of the Royals likes this variant on the classic game. But it gave me pause: the problem I face is that I am a very good pool player, and skilled at all the variants of billiards, so the question arises, Do I want to win or lose? Should I win, then I am left fully or partially clothed, while the princely loser strutteh about in all his Royal nudity. It's enough to make one want to throw the game, but alas, that is not in my nature. Give me a pool cue and then watch out: you'll be in your skivvies and less within a shot or three. Give me a decent shot and chances are the game is over... but what a sour taste is such a victory! There I stand, fully clothed, while the Prince cavorts Naked! What sort of justice is that? _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Fri Aug 24 05:51:58 2012 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 06:51:58 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] DNN question Message-ID: I'm trying and failing to install the latest rev of DotNetNuke. It wants a password for "sa", an account that I *never* use. Well, apparently, I must now begin using it. I tried a couple of my favourite passwords, to no avail, and No Password doesn't work either. How can I edit the "sa" account and enter a password? Once I get over this hurdle, I assume that DNN will install correctly. TIA, -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. -- Niels Bohr From tinanfields at torchlake.com Fri Aug 24 06:04:47 2012 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 07:04:47 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Strip Billiards In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <50375FCF.2080804@torchlake.com> Well, it would at least be fun to watch. T Tina Norris Fields tinanfields at torchlake.com 231-322-2787 On 8/24/2012 5:42 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > Apparently at least one of the Royals likes this variant on the classic > game. But it gave me pause: the problem I face is that I am a very good > pool player, and skilled at all the variants of billiards, so the question > arises, Do I want to win or lose? Should I win, then I am left fully or > partially clothed, while the princely loser strutteh about in all his Royal > nudity. It's enough to make one want to throw the game, but alas, that is > not in my nature. Give me a pool cue and then watch out: you'll be in your > skivvies and less within a shot or three. Give me a decent shot and chances > are the game is over... but what a sour taste is such a victory! There I > stand, fully clothed, while the Prince cavorts Naked! What sort of justice > is that? > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From accessd at shaw.ca Fri Aug 24 11:14:59 2012 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 09:14:59 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] DNN question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <22C019B8E5DF4844AED6196593B87C8E@creativesystemdesigns.com> Hi Arthur: I can not directly help you in this one but you will have to hack (adjust) the config file. Check the community help site associated with DNN; according to a friend, who has number sites and versions using DNN running that is the only way to go. If you are still having a problem with getting the logon right by the end of the day send me note and I will forward your query. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 3:52 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] DNN question I'm trying and failing to install the latest rev of DotNetNuke. It wants a password for "sa", an account that I *never* use. Well, apparently, I must now begin using it. I tried a couple of my favourite passwords, to no avail, and No Password doesn't work either. How can I edit the "sa" account and enter a password? Once I get over this hurdle, I assume that DNN will install correctly. TIA, -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. -- Niels Bohr _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Fri Aug 24 12:49:29 2012 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 13:49:29 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Washable Keyboard Message-ID: No lie! LogiTech pushes the boundary again: http://www.logitech.com/en-us/keyboards/keyboards/washable-keyboard-K310 -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. -- Niels Bohr From andy at minstersystems.co.uk Fri Aug 24 12:57:40 2012 From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 18:57:40 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Strip Billiards In-Reply-To: <50375FCF.2080804@torchlake.com> Message-ID: Debatable Andy -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris Fields Sent: 24 August 2012 12:05 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Strip Billiards Well, it would at least be fun to watch. T Tina Norris Fields tinanfields at torchlake.com 231-322-2787 On 8/24/2012 5:42 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > Apparently at least one of the Royals likes this variant on the classic > game. But it gave me pause: the problem I face is that I am a very good > pool player, and skilled at all the variants of billiards, so the question > arises, Do I want to win or lose? Should I win, then I am left fully or > partially clothed, while the princely loser strutteh about in all his Royal > nudity. It's enough to make one want to throw the game, but alas, that is > not in my nature. Give me a pool cue and then watch out: you'll be in your > skivvies and less within a shot or three. Give me a decent shot and chances > are the game is over... but what a sour taste is such a victory! There I > stand, fully clothed, while the Prince cavorts Naked! What sort of justice > is that? > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Fri Aug 24 13:42:31 2012 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 14:42:31 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Our Favourite Forgotten Tech Message-ID: Here's a nice story about bygone times and tech. Remember BeOS? I was entranced by it, and still think it's got some tricks to teach the makers of various OSs. http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2012/08/our-favorite-forgotten-tech-from-beos-to-zip-drives/3/ -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. -- Niels Bohr From fuller.artful at gmail.com Fri Aug 24 18:15:36 2012 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 19:15:36 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Tim Cook vs. Steve Jobs Message-ID: I don't mean this to be Apple-specific, but rather to generalize the problem. People die; corporations need to locate replacements for said departed souls. How does one (say, HR honcho) find someone to fill the sudden chasm? In the case of Apple, they had Tim Cook on hand and ready to step into Steve's shoes. And so far as an outsider can see, he is fulfilling his mandate well. But I am more interested in the SMBs, our bread and butter out here in the freelance/contracting world. How do we protect ourselves, and by extension, our clients? Our beloved lister Jim Dettman recently hired me to become his backup/goto guy. This sort of relationship is what I am concerned with in this message. As Jim so concisely stated the problem that his client faces, What if he gets hit by a truck, or less dramatically, goes on vacation and is camping in Yellowstone and far, far away from even a cell-phone tower, let alone a net-connect? Steve Jobs didn't plan for his exit. Despite his numerous brilliant insights into the future of tech and the way to sell to the newbies, he didn't plan for a graceful exit. Therefore Tim Cook was left to scramble and attempt to recover the ball. And so far, Tim has handled the ball very well. I, for one, am anticipating Good Things from Tim. I think that he is capable of steering this behemoth into wonderful new territory. On the other hand, I've decided to go with the Google Nexus 7 as my tablet of choice. Way more free apps, way cooler design, and emotionally I like Google over Apple. So be it. Nexus, here I come! But I am eager to hear what Tim Cook has in mind for the future of Apple's products. Steve proved that he is the master of design; let's see what Tim can bring to the party. (Hint to Tim: if you don't think you have the Design smarts, hire someone!) Not that Tim has any possible reason to contact me, but nonetheless I would love to hear/read what he's thinking. *The Times They Are A-Changing!* And I have no idea upon which horse to bet. My open-source instincts lead me away from Apple and toward Android, but all I have so far is opinions based on limited evidence. Anyone got anything slightly more solid? Anyone got opinions about what Tim Cook is likely to do with his behemoth? Would love some insights from people more acquainted with this stuff than I. A. From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Fri Aug 24 20:52:47 2012 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2012 11:52:47 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Tim Cook vs. Steve Jobs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <50382FEF.13734.71E604D@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Changing the topic slightly: Are you planning to develop for your Nexus or will you just be a comsumer? I've started learning to program the Motorola Xoom - I already have a couple of potential clients who are interested in using them for data capture. I was dreading having to develop my Java skills from a very low and half-forgotten base. Then I came across Basic4Android http://www.basic4ppc.com/ For any ex- BASIC developer (VB/VBA/PowerBASIC or whatever), it's brilliant. More details: http://www.basic4ppc.com/android/why.html On 24 Aug 2012 at 19:15, Arthur Fuller wrote: > On the other hand, I've decided to go with the Google Nexus 7 as my tablet > of choice. Way more free apps, way cooler design, and emotionally I like > Google over Apple. So be it. Nexus, here I come! > From accessd at shaw.ca Fri Aug 24 23:05:55 2012 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 21:05:55 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Tim Cook vs. Steve Jobs In-Reply-To: <50382FEF.13734.71E604D@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <50382FEF.13734.71E604D@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <0C39BAE2707044E2803511B36850E7ED@creativesystemdesigns.com> Extremely interesting. So the Basic actually compiled into Java code? Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 6:53 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Tim Cook vs. Steve Jobs Changing the topic slightly: Are you planning to develop for your Nexus or will you just be a comsumer? I've started learning to program the Motorola Xoom - I already have a couple of potential clients who are interested in using them for data capture. I was dreading having to develop my Java skills from a very low and half-forgotten base. Then I came across Basic4Android http://www.basic4ppc.com/ For any ex- BASIC developer (VB/VBA/PowerBASIC or whatever), it's brilliant. More details: http://www.basic4ppc.com/android/why.html On 24 Aug 2012 at 19:15, Arthur Fuller wrote: > On the other hand, I've decided to go with the Google Nexus 7 as my tablet > of choice. Way more free apps, way cooler design, and emotionally I like > Google over Apple. So be it. Nexus, here I come! > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Fri Aug 24 23:33:07 2012 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2012 14:33:07 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Tim Cook vs. Steve Jobs In-Reply-To: <0C39BAE2707044E2803511B36850E7ED@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: , <50382FEF.13734.71E604D@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>, <0C39BAE2707044E2803511B36850E7ED@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <50385583.27701.7B12A91@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Yep, as it says on their website: "Compiles to native bytecode. No runtime libraries are required. APK files are exactly the same as APK files created with Java / Eclipse" To use it, you first need to download and install the Java Development Environment and Eclipse, then you install B4A and point it at the JDE/Eclipse directories. What I especially like about it is that there are easy to use object libraries for all sorts of things and good example applications to use them on the Forum. This afternoon I downloaded example apps for capturing signatures and taking pictures. It only took me a couple of the minutes to tweak the camera example to set various properties of the Camera object so that I can capture small portrait "mugshots" with the tablet in landscape mode. It will only take me a few more minutes to include the GPS object library and add geocodes to the photos and associated data entry. These libraries are about to become components in a trial Voter Registration app. -- Stuart On 24 Aug 2012 at 21:05, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Extremely interesting. So the Basic actually compiled into Java code? > > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan > Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 6:53 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Tim Cook vs. Steve Jobs > > Changing the topic slightly: > > Are you planning to develop for your Nexus or will you just be a comsumer? > > I've started learning to program the Motorola Xoom - I already have a > couple of potential > clients who are interested in using them for data capture. > > I was dreading having to develop my Java skills from a very low and > half-forgotten base. > Then I came across Basic4Android http://www.basic4ppc.com/ > > For any ex- BASIC developer (VB/VBA/PowerBASIC or whatever), it's > brilliant. > > More details: http://www.basic4ppc.com/android/why.html > > > > On 24 Aug 2012 at 19:15, Arthur Fuller wrote: > > > On the other hand, I've decided to go with the Google Nexus 7 as my tablet > > of choice. Way more free apps, way cooler design, and emotionally I like > > Google over Apple. So be it. Nexus, here I come! > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sat Aug 25 07:20:44 2012 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2012 08:20:44 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Tim Cook vs. Steve Jobs In-Reply-To: <0C39BAE2707044E2803511B36850E7ED@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <50382FEF.13734.71E604D@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <0C39BAE2707044E2803511B36850E7ED@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: Stuart, I am planning to port one particular app to Android. Other horses in the barn can wait. But one particular app, whose user currently lugs a notebook from station to station in various factories (he's a safety assessment engineer, and I wrote the app for him), could profit immensely by carrying a tablet rather than a laptop. There's a microscopic market for the app, but I know it inside out, and it's mostly arithmetic, so it won't be too tough to port, I think. A. On Sat, Aug 25, 2012 at 12:05 AM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Extremely interesting. So the Basic actually compiled into Java code? > > Jim > > From ssharkins at gmail.com Sat Aug 25 07:52:45 2012 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2012 08:52:45 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] mobile SQLs (Re: Tim Cook vs. Steve Jobs) References: <50382FEF.13734.71E604D@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <29E34CF5BDB149FC809790241072D8EE@SusanHarkins> As I see my technical career being slowly buried, I'm trying to find something new to latch on to -- I'm considering buying one of the smart phones and learning enough about the mobile SQLs to write about them. As such -- any recommendations? Seems like the best segue for me, but I'm open to suggestions. Susan H. > Changing the topic slightly: > > Are you planning to develop for your Nexus or will you just be a comsumer? > > I've started learning to program the Motorola Xoom - I already have a > couple of potential > clients who are interested in using them for data capture. > > I was dreading having to develop my Java skills from a very low and > half-forgotten base. > Then I came across Basic4Android http://www.basic4ppc.com/ > > For any ex- BASIC developer (VB/VBA/PowerBASIC or whatever), it's > brilliant. > > More details: http://www.basic4ppc.com/android/why.html From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sat Aug 25 08:49:39 2012 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2012 09:49:39 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] mobile SQLs (Re: Tim Cook vs. Steve Jobs) In-Reply-To: <29E34CF5BDB149FC809790241072D8EE@SusanHarkins> References: <50382FEF.13734.71E604D@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <29E34CF5BDB149FC809790241072D8EE@SusanHarkins> Message-ID: My current plan is to develop an app or two based on current Access apps that I have in the field. One in particular seems perfect for a tablet, since the user walks from workstation to workstation within a factory, taking measurements from each and recording them. For this initial effort, I plan to use Alpha Five v11. I'm nowhere as skilled in A5 as I am in Access, but slowly getting there. One of the truly huge features of A5 is that it can do beautiful apps for the web and tablets. So much so that I'm forgetting about its desktop apps and placing my focus solely on the web/tablet stuff. A. On Sat, Aug 25, 2012 at 8:52 AM, Susan Harkins wrote: > As I see my technical career being slowly buried, I'm trying to find > something new to latch on to -- I'm considering buying one of the smart > phones and learning enough about the mobile SQLs to write about them. As > such -- any recommendations? Seems like the best segue for me, but I'm open > to suggestions. > > Susan H. > > > From john at winhaven.net Sat Aug 25 12:10:28 2012 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2012 12:10:28 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] 10 reasons I can't wait to get a Microsoft Surface tablet In-Reply-To: <844B2A4B40A648EAB6CC297641A96C09@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <502BA8EB.7030304@earthlink.net><502C002E.14407.D88AE6E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg><502C0CD8.1090304@earthlink.net> <54794915-3FD2-4B15-8469-007624E60521@phulse.com> <6C27BC9C65384AA8B3666BEC25F44DFA@creativesystemdesigns.com><50327366.2080704@earthlink.net><04ca01cd7f04$14ce6600$3e6b3200$@winhaven.net> <50328804.9030303@earthlink.net> <844B2A4B40A648EAB6CC297641A96C09@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <00bf01cd82e4$86968c20$93c3a460$@winhaven.net> OK, I'll give Android v4 a chance. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Monday, August 20, 2012 2:54 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] 10 reasons I can't wait to get a Microsoft Surface tablet You have to admit that is true John. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Peter Brawley Sent: Monday, August 20, 2012 11:55 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] 10 reasons I can't wait to get a Microsoft Surface tablet On 2012-08-20 1:46 PM, John Bartow wrote: > I'll take it though. I agree with most of what the author states in > the article. > > BTW what difference does closed source OS makes anymore? Open source seems to deliver less restriction of my choices, fewer bugs, a more open apps market, a quicker response/update time all round, and more free apps. PB ----- > (Other than price.) > Android is hardly wavering to open source concerns and iOS?! > > And bugs? At times, my android tablet is nothing short of frustrating. > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Peter > Brawley > Sent: Monday, August 20, 2012 12:27 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] 10 reasons I can't wait to get a Microsoft > Surface tablet > > On 2012-08-20 11:41 AM, Jim Lawrence wrote: >> http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/10things/10-reasons-i-cant-wait-to-g >> e >> t-a-mi >> crosoft-surface-tablet/3386?tag=nl.e101 > otoh ... > > 1: I don't want a closed source OS on my tablet > 2: I don't want my tablet to be a full participant in my network > 3: In a tablet, touch is enough for me. > 4. I've no desire to create content on my tablet. > 5: $20 for a 3P kickstand is a small price to pay for avoiding closed source > OS 6. I don't want to carry a pen. > 7: For what I want to do with a tablet, 7" is about right. > 8. I'd like 64GB or even 128GB of microSD space but 32GB is more than > I can > actually use > 9: Case colour choice isn't interesting > 10 Closed source + Microsoft's bug history = nightmare > > PB > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From gustav at cactus.dk Sat Aug 25 12:46:33 2012 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2012 19:46:33 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] 10 reasons I can't wait to get a Microsoft Surface tablet Message-ID: Hi John Your words prove you are a friendly man. But don't let them play games with you. Ha ha, easy speak for me. I'm so lucky that I have a wife that already has ordered a Surface. /gustav >>> john at winhaven.net 25-08-12 19:10 >>> OK, I'll give Android v4 a chance. From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Sat Aug 25 16:29:26 2012 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2012 07:29:26 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] mobile SQLs (Re: Tim Cook vs. Steve Jobs) In-Reply-To: <29E34CF5BDB149FC809790241072D8EE@SusanHarkins> References: , <29E34CF5BDB149FC809790241072D8EE@SusanHarkins> Message-ID: <503943B6.11180.B53A3B9@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> There is really only one "mobile SQL" - SQLite. -- Stuart On 25 Aug 2012 at 8:52, Susan Harkins wrote: > As I see my technical career being slowly buried, I'm trying to find > something new to latch on to -- I'm considering buying one of the smart > phones and learning enough about the mobile SQLs to write about them. As > such -- any recommendations? Seems like the best segue for me, but I'm open > to suggestions. > > Susan H. > > > > Changing the topic slightly: > > > > Are you planning to develop for your Nexus or will you just be a comsumer? > > > > I've started learning to program the Motorola Xoom - I already have a > > couple of potential > > clients who are interested in using them for data capture. > > > > I was dreading having to develop my Java skills from a very low and > > half-forgotten base. > > Then I came across Basic4Android http://www.basic4ppc.com/ > > > > For any ex- BASIC developer (VB/VBA/PowerBASIC or whatever), it's > > brilliant. > > > > More details: http://www.basic4ppc.com/android/why.html > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From john at winhaven.net Sat Aug 25 16:52:53 2012 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2012 16:52:53 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] 10 reasons I can't wait to get a Microsoft Surface tablet In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <012d01cd830b$fafee4a0$f0fcade0$@winhaven.net> Hi Gustav, :-) I will most likely order a surface tablet soon. I am hoping that they will be available to me through Ingram Micro (my supplier for resale products). I bought a Samsung Galaxy III phone which has Android v4 on it. I'll see how that goes before buying another android tablet! Regards, John B -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2012 12:47 PM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] 10 reasons I can't wait to get a Microsoft Surface tablet Hi John Your words prove you are a friendly man. But don't let them play games with you. Ha ha, easy speak for me. I'm so lucky that I have a wife that already has ordered a Surface. /gustav >>> john at winhaven.net 25-08-12 19:10 >>> OK, I'll give Android v4 a chance. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Sun Aug 26 10:26:32 2012 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2012 08:26:32 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] The Apple victory In-Reply-To: <503943B6.11180.B53A3B9@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: , <29E34CF5BDB149FC809790241072D8EE@SusanHarkins> <503943B6.11180.B53A3B9@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <44A99F1839BC4AE68F23735EE87AF67C@creativesystemdesigns.com> Upon some basic investigation into the suit Apple and Samsung filed against each other and Apple won, it all leaves me wondering. I first assumed that the case hinged on complex technology that the other had used and failed to compensate the other for...like one of the companies had invented Gorilla glass, or the special glue to hold on the glass, or the diode chip, or miniaturized camera technology, or voice receptors or miniaturized chips, or a certain type of SD RAM, or their board configuration or even a certain type of interface or protocol. To my amazement it was none of these. Did you know the following "technologies" and I use the word with disbelief, are patented? 1. A double tap on a screen to expand the screen. 2. Bounce-back if scrolling beyond the screen real-estate. 3. Multiple gestures recognition on the screen. 4. Ornamental design of white or black on cell phone/tablet case. (other colors as well) 5. Rounded corners on phone/tablet design. 6. Rounded corners on screen icons. It is like patenting a handle on a door or a certain height of a chair or the first Ford being able to patent the paint colour black, on a car. Then the whole court case was a setup. The courtroom was less than 10 miles from Apple's headquarters. The jurors were selected from the immediate area. As far as I can see the whole event could just as well taken place in an Apple boardroom with the jurors being Apple employees. Rest assured if any juror had disagreed with the guilty verdict their future, in Silicon Valley, would have been very limited. IMHO, the whole trial was a joke, a farce and a setup. Samsung did not have a song of winning or even breaking even. If I had been the judge in the case I would have laughed them out of court, fined them both substantially for wasting the courts time and sent them both on their way. Jim From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Sun Aug 26 13:07:55 2012 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2012 04:07:55 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] The Apple victory In-Reply-To: <44A99F1839BC4AE68F23735EE87AF67C@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: , <503943B6.11180.B53A3B9@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>, <44A99F1839BC4AE68F23735EE87AF67C@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <503A65FB.9090.FC1646F@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> It just goes to show how screweup the US patent system is - and the US legal system :-( On 26 Aug 2012 at 8:26, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Upon some basic investigation into the suit Apple and Samsung filed against > each other and Apple won, it all leaves me wondering > > I first assumed that the case hinged on complex technology that the other > had used and failed to compensate the other for...like one of the companies > had invented Gorilla glass, or the special glue to hold on the glass, or the > diode chip, or miniaturized camera technology, or voice receptors or > miniaturized chips, or a certain type of SD RAM, or their board > configuration or even a certain type of interface or protocol. > > To my amazement it was none of these. > > Did you know the following "technologies" and I use the word with disbelief, > are patented? > > 1. A double tap on a screen to expand the screen. > 2. Bounce-back if scrolling beyond the screen real-estate. > 3. Multiple gestures recognition on the screen. > 4. Ornamental design of white or black on cell phone/tablet case. > (other colors as well) > 5. Rounded corners on phone/tablet design. > 6. Rounded corners on screen icons. > > It is like patenting a handle on a door or a certain height of a chair or > the first Ford being able to patent the paint colour black, on a car. > > Then the whole court case was a setup. The courtroom was less than 10 miles > from Apple's headquarters. The jurors were selected from the immediate area. > As far as I can see the whole event could just as well taken place in an > Apple boardroom with the jurors being Apple employees. Rest assured if any > juror had disagreed with the guilty verdict their future, in Silicon Valley, > would have been very limited. > > IMHO, the whole trial was a joke, a farce and a setup. Samsung did not have > a song of winning or even breaking even. If I had been the judge in the case > I would have laughed them out of court, fined them both substantially for > wasting the courts time and sent them both on their way. > > Jim > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From marklbreen at gmail.com Mon Aug 27 00:02:06 2012 From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2012 06:02:06 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] mobile SQLs (Re: Tim Cook vs. Steve Jobs) In-Reply-To: <29E34CF5BDB149FC809790241072D8EE@SusanHarkins> References: <50382FEF.13734.71E604D@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <29E34CF5BDB149FC809790241072D8EE@SusanHarkins> Message-ID: Hi Susan, I am surprised and perplexed by your comment, why do you see your technical career struggling ? Mark. On 25 August 2012 13:52, Susan Harkins wrote: > As I see my technical career being slowly buried, I'm trying to find > something new to latch on to -- I'm considering buying one of the smart > phones and learning enough about the mobile SQLs to write about them. As > such -- any recommendations? Seems like the best segue for me, but I'm open > to suggestions. > > Susan H. > > > Changing the topic slightly: >> >> Are you planning to develop for your Nexus or will you just be a comsumer? >> >> I've started learning to program the Motorola Xoom - I already have a >> couple of potential >> clients who are interested in using them for data capture. >> >> I was dreading having to develop my Java skills from a very low and >> half-forgotten base. >> Then I came across Basic4Android http://www.basic4ppc.com/ >> >> For any ex- BASIC developer (VB/VBA/PowerBASIC or whatever), it's >> brilliant. >> >> More details: http://www.basic4ppc.com/**android/why.html >> > > ______________________________**_________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com > From hans.andersen at phulse.com Mon Aug 27 03:27:03 2012 From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2012 01:27:03 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] The Apple victory In-Reply-To: <503A65FB.9090.FC1646F@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: , <503943B6.11180.B53A3B9@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>, <44A99F1839BC4AE68F23735EE87AF67C@creativesystemdesigns.com> <503A65FB.9090.FC1646F@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: The US patent system is completely absurd (for many many reasons), but Android and Samsungs models were obvious duplications of Apples designs and UX. This is an aged old argument, that is finally percolating up to a final legal ruling. In my opinion, the cats out of the bag. Google and all the other Android vendors have already done irreparable damage and I think Apple should just innovate, rather than litigate. But, if you judge the situation on its merits fairly (taking those rose tinted sunshades off and put yourself in Apples position), it is completely fair to say they got ripped off. They reinvented the mobile space and everyone else just copied what they did (aside from Microsoft, that is). Imagine if you spent all the R&D to produce a product that completely turns a market upside down and all your competitors (and even your manufacturers) simply copy everything you do? Well, I imagine you'd probably feel differently. If you outsourced your ideas to another company and they started producing their own in-house versions of your product, you'd be pretty upset as well. But, at the end of the day, these sorts of arguments will fall on deaf ears by certain types of people because they don't want to hear differently. My two cents. - Hans On 2012-08-26, at 11:07 AM, Stuart McLachlan wrote: > It just goes to show how screweup the US patent system is - and the US legal system :-( > > > > On 26 Aug 2012 at 8:26, Jim Lawrence wrote: > >> Upon some basic investigation into the suit Apple and Samsung filed against >> each other and Apple won, it all leaves me wondering >> >> I first assumed that the case hinged on complex technology that the other >> had used and failed to compensate the other for...like one of the companies >> had invented Gorilla glass, or the special glue to hold on the glass, or the >> diode chip, or miniaturized camera technology, or voice receptors or >> miniaturized chips, or a certain type of SD RAM, or their board >> configuration or even a certain type of interface or protocol. >> >> To my amazement it was none of these. >> >> Did you know the following "technologies" and I use the word with disbelief, >> are patented? >> >> 1. A double tap on a screen to expand the screen. >> 2. Bounce-back if scrolling beyond the screen real-estate. >> 3. Multiple gestures recognition on the screen. >> 4. Ornamental design of white or black on cell phone/tablet case. >> (other colors as well) >> 5. Rounded corners on phone/tablet design. >> 6. Rounded corners on screen icons. >> >> It is like patenting a handle on a door or a certain height of a chair or >> the first Ford being able to patent the paint colour black, on a car. >> >> Then the whole court case was a setup. The courtroom was less than 10 miles >> from Apple's headquarters. The jurors were selected from the immediate area. >> As far as I can see the whole event could just as well taken place in an >> Apple boardroom with the jurors being Apple employees. Rest assured if any >> juror had disagreed with the guilty verdict their future, in Silicon Valley, >> would have been very limited. >> >> IMHO, the whole trial was a joke, a farce and a setup. Samsung did not have >> a song of winning or even breaking even. If I had been the judge in the case >> I would have laughed them out of court, fined them both substantially for >> wasting the courts time and sent them both on their way. >> >> Jim >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From ssharkins at gmail.com Mon Aug 27 07:53:32 2012 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2012 08:53:32 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] mobile SQLs (Re: Tim Cook vs. Steve Jobs) References: <50382FEF.13734.71E604D@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg><29E34CF5BDB149FC809790241072D8EE@SusanHarkins> Message-ID: Nobody wants/needs Office expertise anymore and I haven't even tried to keep up with SQL Server. It's been a couple of years since I've worked with it. Susan H. > Hi Susan, > > I am surprised and perplexed by your comment, why do you see your > technical > career struggling ? > From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Aug 27 15:39:41 2012 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2012 13:39:41 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Working with the new windows In-Reply-To: References: , <503943B6.11180.B53A3B9@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>, <44A99F1839BC4AE68F23735EE87AF67C@creativesystemdesigns.com><503A65FB.9090.FC1646F@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: For all those wanting to test and develop with the new windows you can just go to the Microsoft virtual labs to get some first hand experience without having to have Win8 installed. How major an application that can be developed in this environment is anyone's guess but I am sure there are some limitations and "gochas". http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/jj206431 (First one is you have to connect via IE.) There are development samples in C# and HTML/CSS/JavaScript. More development links: http://www.jeffblankenburg.com/2012/08/24/getting-started-with-windows-8-dev elopment/ Jim From marklbreen at gmail.com Tue Aug 28 02:29:03 2012 From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2012 08:29:03 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] mobile SQLs (Re: Tim Cook vs. Steve Jobs) In-Reply-To: References: <50382FEF.13734.71E604D@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <29E34CF5BDB149FC809790241072D8EE@SusanHarkins> Message-ID: Hi Susan, I would have agreed with you up until Office 2007. From the 90's, office did not change that much, and I felt myself a power user for all those years. Since 2007 / 2010 was launched I have felt more like a novice. I regularly tell people that we all stopped receiving training on office apps from about '99 onwards, but we all need it again now. Imagine what it is like for people that do not make a career out of technology. I see them every day strugging to create a table, or to set a border. Stuff we took for granted in 2006. If you have decided to ditch Office and are not comfortable trying to become an expert on SQL Server, you could review Dotnetnuke. It is a nice combination of technical (SQL Server BE) and has a nice community also. Thanks Mark On 27 August 2012 13:53, Susan Harkins wrote: > Nobody wants/needs Office expertise anymore and I haven't even tried to > keep up with SQL Server. It's been a couple of years since I've worked with > it. > > Susan H. > > > > > Hi Susan, >> >> I am surprised and perplexed by your comment, why do you see your >> technical >> career struggling ? >> >> > ______________________________**_________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com > From ssharkins at gmail.com Tue Aug 28 07:48:14 2012 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2012 08:48:14 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] mobile SQLs (Re: Tim Cook vs. Steve Jobs) References: <50382FEF.13734.71E604D@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg><29E34CF5BDB149FC809790241072D8EE@SusanHarkins> Message-ID: <44975BC47C684E75BD8AB4F99DA9066A@SusanHarkins> > If you have decided to ditch Office and are not comfortable trying to > become an expert on SQL Server, you could review Dotnetnuke. It is a nice > combination of technical (SQL Server BE) and has a nice community also. ======Charlotte tried to teach me .NET -- I was hopeless, but thanks for the suggestion. I'm glad to take a look, that's for sure. :) Susan H. From accessd at shaw.ca Tue Aug 28 11:09:28 2012 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2012 09:09:28 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] mobile SQLs (Re: Tim Cook vs. Steve Jobs) In-Reply-To: <44975BC47C684E75BD8AB4F99DA9066A@SusanHarkins> References: <50382FEF.13734.71E604D@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg><29E34CF5BDB149FC809790241072D8EE@SusanHarkins> <44975BC47C684E75BD8AB4F99DA9066A@SusanHarkins> Message-ID: In the many years doing programming there appear to be only three ways to learn a new discipline. 1. Taking a course at college (or maybe online). In a course you have to progress and work with a group which gives a lot more insight than as an individual. 2. Commit yourself to a project. When a client is expecting results you have to learn right, you have to learn fast and you have to be organized. 3. Teaching a discipline yourself. Again you have to learn right, learn fast and you have to be organized.. In summary, you have to put yourself on the spot to learn. Having just a book or scamming through various web based web learning programs are useless. There are rare individuals who are absolutely disciplined and focused but those people are extremely rare (those people have no friends and no family). Life has a way of unfocusing the very best of intentions and an external push is what is required. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2012 5:48 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] mobile SQLs (Re: Tim Cook vs. Steve Jobs) > If you have decided to ditch Office and are not comfortable trying to > become an expert on SQL Server, you could review Dotnetnuke. It is a nice > combination of technical (SQL Server BE) and has a nice community also. ======Charlotte tried to teach me .NET -- I was hopeless, but thanks for the suggestion. I'm glad to take a look, that's for sure. :) Susan H. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Tue Aug 28 11:35:02 2012 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2012 09:35:02 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Win8 In-Reply-To: <44975BC47C684E75BD8AB4F99DA9066A@SusanHarkins> References: <50382FEF.13734.71E604D@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg><29E34CF5BDB149FC809790241072D8EE@SusanHarkins> <44975BC47C684E75BD8AB4F99DA9066A@SusanHarkins> Message-ID: <36FFB40114EA4BC7BB30E2C57D14137F@creativesystemdesigns.com> Microsoft has made Windows 8 so it will not work well with third party products. It seems that only MS applications will have direct access to the various core functionality; all other third party apps will find themselves sand-boxed. It was initially thought that only IE would run on the new platform. That is not correct; it is just that other browsers will not be able to access any of the host on even the most basic level so their performance will be dramatically reduced. I guess IE has finally found an environment in which it actually out performs any other browser. The main problem is that this deficiency, will extend to all foreign applications. http://www.freelists.org/post/luajit/FYI-No-JIT-on-Windows-8-for-ARM So finally, Microsoft has created a little preserve for itself where it will have no competition. Given this situation and assuming it continues linearly, I will predict that MS will be in serious condition in ten years maybe less. (Of course Steve Ballmer, his proponents and his loopy ideas may be dumped in the interim.) Jim From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk Tue Aug 28 14:04:34 2012 From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2012 20:04:34 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Kerberos In-Reply-To: <44975BC47C684E75BD8AB4F99DA9066A@SusanHarkins> References: <50382FEF.13734.71E604D@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg><29E34CF5BDB149FC809790241072D8EE@SusanHarkins> , <44975BC47C684E75BD8AB4F99DA9066A@SusanHarkins> Message-ID: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB082958E4F0899A8@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk> I have 4 web front ends - SharePoint 2010 I have a reporting Server set up in SharePoint Integration mode I want to enable kerberos on it. I have set up spns for the application pools for the web application and I think the sql server but no cigar. Anyone any experience in setting up Kerberos Windows 2008 R2 SQL Server 2008 R2 AD I am not 100% sure of what I am doing - nothing new there. SQL Server default instance. I am assuming I only need to delegate from the web Application pool account to the SQL Server SPNs Maritn Martin WP Reid Information Services The McClay Library Queen's University of Belfast 10 College Park Belfast BT7 1LP Tel : 02890976174 Email : mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk Sharepoint Training Portal ________________________________________ From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins [ssharkins at gmail.com] Sent: 28 August 2012 13:48 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] mobile SQLs (Re: Tim Cook vs. Steve Jobs) > If you have decided to ditch Office and are not comfortable trying to > become an expert on SQL Server, you could review Dotnetnuke. It is a nice > combination of technical (SQL Server BE) and has a nice community also. ======Charlotte tried to teach me .NET -- I was hopeless, but thanks for the suggestion. I'm glad to take a look, that's for sure. :) Susan H. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Tue Aug 28 14:44:29 2012 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2012 15:44:29 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Man with the world's lowest voice Message-ID: American singer Tim Storms who also has the world's widest vocal range can reach notes as low as G-7 (0.189Hz), an incredible eight octaves below the lowest G on the piano. Read more at http://www.medicaldaily.com/articles/11725/20120824/elephants-tim-storms-voice-record.htm#rlVwPiQiGqIAzB7s.99 -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. -- Niels Bohr From accessd at shaw.ca Tue Aug 28 16:18:55 2012 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2012 14:18:55 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Man with the world's lowest voice In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <67A400FC25814BE79D056382F26BCC2F@creativesystemdesigns.com> Incedible. I always thought Paul Robeson held that record. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eh9WayN7R-s Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2012 12:44 PM To: Peter Brawley Subject: [dba-Tech] Man with the world's lowest voice American singer Tim Storms who also has the world's widest vocal range can reach notes as low as G-7 (0.189Hz), an incredible eight octaves below the lowest G on the piano. Read more at http://www.medicaldaily.com/articles/11725/20120824/elephants-tim-storms-voi ce-record.htm#rlVwPiQiGqIAzB7s.99 -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. -- Niels Bohr _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From marklbreen at gmail.com Wed Aug 29 02:33:34 2012 From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2012 08:33:34 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] mobile SQLs (Re: Tim Cook vs. Steve Jobs) In-Reply-To: <44975BC47C684E75BD8AB4F99DA9066A@SusanHarkins> References: <50382FEF.13734.71E604D@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <29E34CF5BDB149FC809790241072D8EE@SusanHarkins> <44975BC47C684E75BD8AB4F99DA9066A@SusanHarkins> Message-ID: Hi Susan, just for clarify, DotNetNuke is programmed on .Net but in practice, many people never write a line of code. It is a framework, or a tool, or an environment for developing websites, webapps, or simply web based databases. What is really nice is that there are hundreds of 3rd party modules that do all sorts of clever tricks, most are free or almost free. What is does require is a good technical brain and a basic knowledge of databases (SQL Server is the db). Armed with those skills, there is plenty of pleasant, enjoyable work available. There are hundreds of videos and lots of blogs to read. Finally, there tends to be three categories of people that work with DNN. 1) Integrators - very little programming, but works with clients to construct web sites / web apps 2) Developers - they develop customised apps for specific requirements 3) Skinners - they do the graphic bit, and are typcially HTML / CSS / JavaScript / JQuery people. I hope that is helpful, let me know if you ever need anything for DNN Mark On 28 August 2012 13:48, Susan Harkins wrote: > If you have decided to ditch Office and are not comfortable trying to >> become an expert on SQL Server, you could review Dotnetnuke. It is a nice >> combination of technical (SQL Server BE) and has a nice community also. >> > > ======Charlotte tried to teach me .NET -- I was hopeless, but thanks for > the suggestion. I'm glad to take a look, that's for sure. :) > > Susan H. > ______________________________**_________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com > From ssharkins at gmail.com Wed Aug 29 08:00:51 2012 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2012 09:00:51 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] mobile SQLs (Re: Tim Cook vs. Steve Jobs) References: <50382FEF.13734.71E604D@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg><29E34CF5BDB149FC809790241072D8EE@SusanHarkins><44975BC47C684E75BD8AB4F99DA9066A@SusanHarkins> Message-ID: <0A2E70855ABE480CA1C95B19BA9D80F5@SusanHarkins> Mark, you've been very helpful! Thank you! I intend to spend some time there for sure! Susan H. > Hi Susan, > > just for clarify, > > DotNetNuke is programmed on .Net but in practice, many people never write > a > line of code. > > It is a framework, or a tool, or an environment for developing websites, > webapps, or simply web based databases. > > What is really nice is that there are hundreds of 3rd party modules that > do > all sorts of clever tricks, most are free or almost free. > From accessd at shaw.ca Wed Aug 29 09:14:52 2012 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2012 07:14:52 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Firefox 15 In-Reply-To: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB082958E4F0899A8@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk> References: <50382FEF.13734.71E604D@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg><29E34CF5BDB149FC809790241072D8EE@SusanHarkins>, <44975BC47C684E75BD8AB4F99DA9066A@SusanHarkins> <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB082958E4F0899A8@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk> Message-ID: <2AFCD8B06EE748D9AEFA7665DD529634@creativesystemdesigns.com> Firefox 15 is now out. In this version it has focused on making the product the best game browser. Quote: " To that end, Firefox 15 brings a number of improvements to the browser's support for WebGL, the open standard for 3D on the web. In particular, the new release adds support for compressed textures, which make better use of graphics card memory, allowing developers to use higher-resolution textures in their games. Firefox 15 also adds support for new high-resolution timing APIs, which Mozilla says give developers control over their interactive content down to the thousandths of milliseconds. The result of these efforts is that it is now becoming possible to run advanced 3D games entirely within a Firefox browser window, using only HTML, WebGL, and JavaScript. To prove it, Mozilla developers have created a demo first-person shooter game... " See the video of the demo game: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mIYmxPdtsl4&feature=player_embedded Jim From john at winhaven.net Wed Aug 29 11:47:35 2012 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2012 11:47:35 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Firefox 15 In-Reply-To: <2AFCD8B06EE748D9AEFA7665DD529634@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <50382FEF.13734.71E604D@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg><29E34CF5BDB149FC809790241072D8EE@SusanHarkins>, <44975BC47C684E75BD8AB4F99DA9066A@SusanHarkins> <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB082958E4F0899A8@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk> <2AFCD8B06EE748D9AEFA7665DD529634@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <036701cd8605$fde58b90$f9b0a2b0$@winhaven.net> Just dawned on me that the menu is back. What version did it come with? -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2012 9:15 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Firefox 15 Firefox 15 is now out. In this version it has focused on making the product the best game browser. Quote: " To that end, Firefox 15 brings a number of improvements to the browser's support for WebGL, the open standard for 3D on the web. In particular, the new release adds support for compressed textures, which make better use of graphics card memory, allowing developers to use higher-resolution textures in their games. Firefox 15 also adds support for new high-resolution timing APIs, which Mozilla says give developers control over their interactive content down to the thousandths of milliseconds. The result of these efforts is that it is now becoming possible to run advanced 3D games entirely within a Firefox browser window, using only HTML, WebGL, and JavaScript. To prove it, Mozilla developers have created a demo first-person shooter game... " See the video of the demo game: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mIYmxPdtsl4&feature=player_embedded Jim _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From marklbreen at gmail.com Thu Aug 30 03:29:07 2012 From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2012 09:29:07 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] AdBlock for Firefox 15 Message-ID: Hello All, Following Jim's email below, I decided to check my version of FF. I then clicked on Jim's link to see the demo of the game. I think saw a mention of AdBlock for FF I then watched a video of Adblock I then installed it I am not typing in Gmail for the first time since 2004 with no Ads on the right :) I just logged into FB and their ads are blocked also. What is the downside for me ? Mark On 29 August 2012 17:47, John Bartow wrote: > Just dawned on me that the menu is back. What version did it come with? > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence > Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2012 9:15 AM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: [dba-Tech] Firefox 15 > > Firefox 15 is now out. > > In this version it has focused on making the product the best game browser. > > Quote: > " To that end, Firefox 15 brings a number of improvements to the browser's > support for WebGL, the open standard for 3D on the web. In particular, the > new release adds support for compressed textures, which make better use of > graphics card memory, allowing developers to use higher-resolution textures > in their games. > > Firefox 15 also adds support for new high-resolution timing APIs, which > Mozilla says give developers control over their interactive content down to > the thousandths of milliseconds. > > The result of these efforts is that it is now becoming possible to run > advanced 3D games entirely within a Firefox browser window, using only > HTML, > WebGL, and JavaScript. > > To prove it, Mozilla developers have created a demo first-person shooter > game... " > > See the video of the demo game: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mIYmxPdtsl4&feature=player_embedded > > Jim > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From accessd at shaw.ca Thu Aug 30 11:10:07 2012 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2012 09:10:07 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] AdBlock for Firefox 15 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: That is great news. Chrome does have brute force speed but when it comes for options and features FF surpasses every other browser out there by miles. Adblock is definitely a feature I will add...Thanks for the heads up. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 1:29 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] AdBlock for Firefox 15 Hello All, Following Jim's email below, I decided to check my version of FF. I then clicked on Jim's link to see the demo of the game. I think saw a mention of AdBlock for FF I then watched a video of Adblock I then installed it I am not typing in Gmail for the first time since 2004 with no Ads on the right :) I just logged into FB and their ads are blocked also. What is the downside for me ? Mark On 29 August 2012 17:47, John Bartow wrote: > Just dawned on me that the menu is back. What version did it come with? > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence > Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2012 9:15 AM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: [dba-Tech] Firefox 15 > > Firefox 15 is now out. > > In this version it has focused on making the product the best game browser. > > Quote: > " To that end, Firefox 15 brings a number of improvements to the browser's > support for WebGL, the open standard for 3D on the web. In particular, the > new release adds support for compressed textures, which make better use of > graphics card memory, allowing developers to use higher-resolution textures > in their games. > > Firefox 15 also adds support for new high-resolution timing APIs, which > Mozilla says give developers control over their interactive content down to > the thousandths of milliseconds. > > The result of these efforts is that it is now becoming possible to run > advanced 3D games entirely within a Firefox browser window, using only > HTML, > WebGL, and JavaScript. > > To prove it, Mozilla developers have created a demo first-person shooter > game... " > > See the video of the demo game: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mIYmxPdtsl4&feature=player_embedded > > Jim > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Gustav at cactus.dk Fri Aug 31 16:06:06 2012 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2012 23:06:06 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Working with the new windows Message-ID: Hi all For those of you with a Microsoft Action Pack Subscription, note that the public Windows 8 fully localized is ready for download. Great! Double-click an ISO file and it opens like a zip folder. Right-click it and select Burn Disk Image to burn to a DVD. Can't be easier. Also, the VS2012 version included is now the Premium level and now does include LightSwitch! /gustav >>> accessd at shaw.ca 27-08-12 22:39 >>> For all those wanting to test and develop with the new windows you can just go to the Microsoft virtual labs to get some first hand experience without having to have Win8 installed. How major an application that can be developed in this environment is anyone's guess but I am sure there are some limitations and "gochas". http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/jj206431 (First one is you have to connect via IE.) There are development samples in C# and HTML/CSS/JavaScript. More development links: http://www.jeffblankenburg.com/2012/08/24/getting-started-with-windows-8-dev elopment/ Jim