[dba-Tech] How could IE fix it problems fast

Jim Lawrence accessd at shaw.ca
Sun Dec 16 12:02:38 CST 2012


You are right of course Martin.

The complaints posted here are not user or client concerns. These are just
developer's rants...shop talk.

Jim

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[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Martin Reid
Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2012 6:41 AM
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Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] How could IE fix it problems fast

I still think the millions of users don't really care which browser they
use. Doesn't matter to them. Long as facebook etc work they use anything at
all.


Martin

Sent from my iPad

On 15 Dec 2012, at 22:20, "Hans-Christian Andersen"
<hans.andersen at phulse.com> wrote:

> 
> I'm with you on this. Some people have suggested they don't like that
idea, because they think there should be another browser engine to keep the
competition up, which I'd normally agree with, but the sad fact is that this
is not a level playing field and IE has been a detriment to the web rather
than a welcome competitor. They can either go with WebKit or even Mozillas
Gecko would be just as fine.
> 
>> The company is called WebKit. (Note: the OSS KDE first created KHTML,
Apple adopted it (swiped it), but then the product's designers forked,
refocused and it became Webkit.)
> 
> I just want to correct you here. It's not possible to swipe OSS code
unless you violate the OSS license. I'm not sure why you would use such
terminology? If you fork an OSS project, you simply have to comply with the
license (GPL, LGPL, BSD, etc). In this case, it was the Lesser GPL license,
which means you can take the code and use it how you like, but any
modifications of the code requires you to contribute your modifications back
to the project.
> 
> To make things clear, WebKit was created by Apple employee Don Melton in
2001 as a fork of KHTML and then was open sourced by Apple's Safari
developer Dave Hyatt in 2007. No product designers forked Apple's code and
created WebKit, as you suggested.
> 
> You can read the facts from Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WebKit#Origins
> 
> Konqueror (the de facto KHTML browser) was my favourite browser for such a
long time. It brings a tear to my eye to think that the work of the KHTML
devs would eventually dominate the world. *sniff* :)
> 
> - Hans 
> 
> 
> 
> On 2012-12-15, at 12:16 PM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
> 
>> Microsoft and all other browser builders have had to content with the
>> incredible speed of advances in the internet especially when it comes to
>> browser presentation and client programming.
>> 
>> Many browser developers have tried to avoid client browser issues by
doing
>> all/most the computing on their servers and then pushing the results to
the
>> client. This may work temporarily but performance is going to be
seriously
>> hampers both for the client, who has to wait while a page is being
remotely
>> rendered and downloaded and for the BE data supplier who has to add more
>> hardware and bandwidth just to support the clients. I have been
complaining
>> about this for a long while.
>> 
>> Both Apple(Safari) and Google(Chrome) have taken a progressive approach
by
>> simply not worrying about trying to keep up with the ongoing trends and
have
>> just focused on building super fast browser layout engines, KHTML and V8
>> respectively and have been funding an OSS third party application for the
>> latest and greatest HTML5, CSS3 and beyond. The company is called WebKit.
>> (Note: the OSS KDE first created KHTML, Apple adopted it (swiped it), but
>> then the product's designers forked, refocused and it became Webkit.)
>> 
>> http://www.webkit.org/
>> 
>> Webkit is so fast because, even though it is developed in JavaScript, it
>> compiles its' JavaScript into native machine code.
>> 
>> If MS was willing to accept the new order mashup and embrace it, IE11
could
>> be a leading browser contender with minimum effort and minimum costs. 
>> 
>> Aside: I do know there is a big pride thing in the way but going it alone
is
>> not the answer and having a proprietary developers browser does not make
>> business sense on any level.
>> 
>> Jim    
>> 
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