[dba-Tech] Getting rid of some folders

Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com
Tue Feb 28 09:28:19 CST 2012


Well it seems to me that it's not the deletion process itself that is
the problem if you are able to delete the files/folders. SOMETHING
ELSE is putting them back..... Do you have any other background
protection software running?

GK

On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 10:49 PM, Kathryn Bassett <kathryn at bassett.net> wrote:
> Back in December, I posted the problem below. The problem still hasn't been
> resolved. I have a similar problem with a specific spreadsheet. Maybe if we
> can solve that one, I can try the solution with the folders.
>
> I had a spreadsheet that I no longer use. I have been trying to get rid of
> it, and its accompanying desktop shortcut for months. I've found a few
> things on the web, but mostly they have to do with virus or malware issues,
> neither of which are the case for me (I use Malwarebytes and Avast). I have
> even gone into safe mode to delete them (including emptying the recycle bin)
> and within a day, they are back. I've deleted other spreadsheets without
> this happening, so I can't figure out why this particular one is a problem.
> I didn't even have much of anything in it, just a few days of keeping track
> of time for a client. It's an Excel, in case that makes a difference (most
> of my spreadsheets are QuattroPro).
>
> On the Tech Support Guy Mailing List, someone recommended
> http://eraser.heidi.ie/ but that didn't work either. The file stayed gone
> for about 2 reboots, but it was back again this morning. I've just tried
> renaming it, without deleting it, to test if it comes back with the old
> name.
>
> Any more ideas?
>
> Kathryn
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-
>> bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kathryn Bassett
>> Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 5:20 PM
>> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
>> Subject: [dba-Tech] Getting rid of some folders
>>
>> I am pulling my hair out over this. I have folders such as this:
>> C:\Fr4\Noel
>> C:\Fr4\NoelLivingstone
>> C:\Fr4\oconner
>>
>> I can't seem to get rid of them. First, I was just deleting them. But I
>> eventually noticed that they'd come back. Tried a number of times
>> before starting to research it. The common issues seem to involve
>> dropbox or folders that are shared. I don't have dropbox, and the
>> folders aren't shared. One place that I found suggested "copy" the name
>> of the folder, delete it, then make a new folder, pasting the name in.
>> Then empty recycle bin and reboot, then delete the now empty folder. I
>> did that for about 1/2 dozen folders and it worked. Those are now gone
>> and haven't returned. So I started doing the rest of them (20 more).
>> But it's not working for those.
>>
>> I've even done these steps ONLY. IOW, boot up, do that routine, empty
>> the recycle bin, then reboot. Not running any other programs like email
>> etc.
>>
>> On the Tech Support Guy List Tech Support Guy List
>> (http://www.techguy.org) which is not very active, one person asked,
>> and I answered:
>>
>> > 1. What operating system?
>>
>> Vista - sorry, I thought I had put that down.
>>
>> > 2. Has this computer ever had Nortons on it? Nortons does weird
>> things
>> > with its "protected" recycle bin. Even after Nortons has been
>> > uninstalled, it can leave some of these strange remnants behind.
>>
>> Only long enough to get the computer home when I bought it (2007).
>> Uninstalled immediately (I hate Norton), then went through the registry
>> and deleted Norton references. So, in effect, no.
>>
>> > 4. Try right-click "delete on boot". This is included in several free
>> > utilities such as Gipo Utilities, which will add this useful line to
>> > your right-click menu.
>>
>> While looking to see if I had this option, I discovered something. The
>> entire Fr4 folder was read only. I've changed that, and will see if
>> that works. If not:
>>
>> > 3. What happens if you delete in Safe Mode?
>>
>> Hmm, haven't thought to try that. After I get this email off, I'll try
>> that if changing the read only option doesn't work (no idea how it got
>> that way).
>>
>> > 5. I assume that normal folders delete OK, and that this is
>> associated
>> > only with your "FR4 folders". Does FR4 mean anything---associated
>> with
>> > any particular program which might be protecting these folders? In
>> W7,
>> > for example, this type of behaviour can be associated with protected
>> > system folders/files.
>>
>> Yes and yes. FR4 is an old dos genealogy program (Family Roots version
>> 4).
>> I'm the only person in the world still providing support for it,
>> getting the data into a format that can be imported to a windows
>> genealogy program. No, it doesn't protect, and I've deleted client
>> subfolders before, which makes the current behavior all the more
>> puzzling.
>>
>> Where I'm at now:
>>
>> Safe mode and the read only part didn't do the trick, except
>> temporarily. I changed C:\Fr4 to C:\Fr4b. Then I made a new folder
>> C:\FR4 (the r being upper case) and dragged the things I need to keep
>> into it. A reboot (last
>> night) showed only the items I want in C:\FR4, and just the subfolders
>> I don't want in C:\Fr4b. I couldn't do any more reboot testing last
>> night, but I had deleted the subfolders from C:\Fr4b, leaving it empty.
>>
>> I only did one other thing before shutting down for the night, which
>> I'll explain in a minute. Then this morning, they are back again in
>> C:\FR4. The folder has to have that name, I can't use C:\FR4b, but even
>> if I could, that wouldn't solve the problem of C:\FR4 adding itself
>> back in.
>>
>> The one other thing is my nightly backup. I use SecondCopy to do "Exact
>> copy, source to destination, delete obsolete files from destination"
>> and these are the 3 "profiles" I use:
>> C:\Users\Kathryn\AppData\Local\Microsoft\Outlook to
>> I:\Vistamydocs\OutlookMail
>> C:\Users\Kathryn\AppData\Local\Microsoft\Outlook
>> to C:\Users\Kathryn\Documents\OutlookMail
>> C:\Users\Kathryn\Documents (& subdirectories) to I:\Vistamydocs
>>
>> As you see, nothing to do with C:\FR4.
>>
>> Anybody got any ideas why this is happening and how I get rid of the
>> subfolders I don't want?
>>
>> Kathryn
>>
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