From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sun Jan 1 12:37:42 2012 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 13:37:42 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] C language updated Message-ID: >From slashdot... *"The International Organization for Standardization (ISO) has published the new specifications for the C programming language. The standard is known unofficially as C1X and was published officially as ISO/IEC 9899:2011. It provides greater compatibility with the C++ language and adds new features to C (as indicated in the draft)."* -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. -- Werner Heisenberg From accessd at shaw.ca Sun Jan 1 14:16:11 2012 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 12:16:11 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] C language updated In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <83ECB2D0477B4BFB9FFF373A3977414A@creativesystemdesigns.com> At first glance I would assume that a better set of parameters for connecting with modern hardware has been added. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2012 10:38 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] C language updated >From slashdot... *"The International Organization for Standardization (ISO) has published the new specifications for the C programming language. The standard is known unofficially as C1X and was published officially as ISO/IEC 9899:2011. It provides greater compatibility with the C++ language and adds new features to C (as indicated in the draft)."* -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. -- Werner Heisenberg _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Jan 2 12:41:22 2012 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 10:41:22 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] The future of 2012 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: This year is going to an exciting year in the computer world. The news around such databases using Map Reduce and this NewSQL. Though very interesting, it is not the full or even the main story. For example, the Hadoop project is not so much a database engine as much as an distributive application engine. There are products out there that leave out the database component and have focused on just the DAE part. The current leader in this generalist technology is ERWIN (http://erwin.com/) but there are many more such applications... Check out Node.js (http://nodejs.org/), tuned for your web servers, which not only will load balance, between the CPUs on your server or Cores but has application distributive capabilities across all networked computers. This of course is just the start. When the new Raspberry computer goes on sale later this year for an estimated $35.00 (http://www.raspberrypi.org/) ...plus the cost of an SD card. Much of this new technology is being transferred to the Cloud and to Corporate interests and profits but for those who want a degree of privacy or wish to "roll-their-own" system there are now the tools to do it; all it needs is some bright and dedicated developer to assemble all the components. Imagine if you will, a network of 10 interconnected computers, like the Raspberry, using a distributive application engine, add packages like FreeNAS (http://www.freenas.org/) or any other Open NAS product to handle a hard drive cluster, you would have quite a package. It could be possible to create a network, using a few 100 watts or even just batteries that would give a 10 to 15K HP Proliant system, a run for its money, for just an outlay of a thousand. Intriguing? Jim From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Jan 2 12:59:38 2012 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 10:59:38 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] An very interesting summary In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Here is a very interesting summary to the new technologies and direction of those technologies in the next years. Though I find the entire article a worthy read, one paragraph particularly caught my attention. That is the suggestion that Windows is moving away from a desktop OS model and that structure, we have previously relied on, will no longer be supported. The Windows 8 Developer Preview dropped like a bomb on the development community. With the new Metro UI and WinRT API, it became clear that Microsoft has no intention of putting additional effort into the traditional desktop market. You can doubt "the tablet effect" all you want, but it is obvious that Microsoft thinks it is real. Unless there is a significant shift in Microsoft's strategy between now and the final launch (rumored for second half of 2012, possibly as early as August), we can expect that the traditional desktop is going to be categorized as "maintenance only" and eventually drop entirely off Microsoft's radar. Also of note: Where do languages like Ruby, Python, and Java fit into the Windows 8 ecosystem? They might not work at all in pure Metro/WinRT mode. We need to get ready. For me it comes as a mixed blessing; my desktop application will not have a supporting platform, I had better get my web skills tuned up, significantly and the clients will have to have their pocket books open. For the rest of the post, select the following link: http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/10things/the-10-most-important-events-for-d evelopers-in-2011/2904?tag=nl.e101 Jim From fuller.artful at gmail.com Tue Jan 3 06:37:09 2012 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 07:37:09 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] How RAM slots are numbered Message-ID: Belarc Advisor reports 4 memory slots on my motherboard, named A0-A3. There's a problem with one slot, A3, but I don't know which end A3 is on. The slot allegedly contains a 1GB module, but Belarc reports it as empty. All the modules seem to be seated correctly. Is there a simpler way to find out which direction they are numbered in, short of yanking the first module, then rebooting, and if that doesn't work, replace it and yank the other at the other end? My eyes are too bad and my fingers too stubby for this sort of delicate work LOL. I think the way they jam stuff in there is purposeful -- to guarantee computer-repair jobs for delicate Asian hands :) -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. -- Werner Heisenberg From jon at tydda.plus.com Tue Jan 3 06:45:12 2012 From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda) Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 12:45:12 +0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] How RAM slots are numbered In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Look up your motherboard on google, the manufacturers website will usually have the manuals online and you'll be a to zoom into the diagrams to see which slot is which. Jon Sent from my iPhone 6 (Beta) On 3 Jan 2012, at 12:37, Arthur Fuller wrote: > Belarc Advisor reports 4 memory slots on my motherboard, named A0-A3. > There's a problem with one slot, A3, but I don't know which end A3 is on. > The slot allegedly contains a 1GB module, but Belarc reports it as empty. > All the modules seem to be seated correctly. Is there a simpler way to find > out which direction they are numbered in, short of yanking the first > module, then rebooting, and if that doesn't work, replace it and yank the > other at the other end? My eyes are too bad and my fingers too stubby for > this sort of delicate work LOL. I think the way they jam stuff in there is > purposeful -- to guarantee computer-repair jobs for delicate Asian hands :) > > -- > Arthur > Cell: 647.710.1314 > > Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. > -- Werner Heisenberg > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Tue Jan 3 07:02:08 2012 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 08:02:08 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] How RAM slots are numbered In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks. I'll give that a try. On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 7:45 AM, Jon Tydda wrote: > Look up your motherboard on google, the manufacturers website will usually > have the manuals online and you'll be a to zoom into the diagrams to see > which slot is which. > > > Jon > > From accessd at shaw.ca Tue Jan 3 09:03:53 2012 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 07:03:53 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] How RAM slots are numbered In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B58CE8B269C4058A7017D2D6B5D3443@creativesystemdesigns.com> Barring checking the motherboard there are a host of memory testing software packages out there and some show the motherboard layout. Apps like Memtest86 and even Windows has an app that you can download, Windows Memory Diagnostic; http://oca.microsoft.com/en/windiag.asp. They will require a boot CDROM be created. In their test process a layout can be generated. A rule of thumb that seems to work, is that memory sticks are lined up towards the CPU. Number one is further away and they increment higher as they are closer...sort of an unwritten industry standard. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 5:02 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] How RAM slots are numbered Thanks. I'll give that a try. On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 7:45 AM, Jon Tydda wrote: > Look up your motherboard on google, the manufacturers website will usually > have the manuals online and you'll be a to zoom into the diagrams to see > which slot is which. > > > Jon > > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jon at tydda.plus.com Tue Jan 3 10:30:49 2012 From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda) Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 16:30:49 -0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Online Privacy Message-ID: <9B723111C0AA44EAB18019B519E2E271@jt2c> I know there's no such thing any more, but this goes a fair way to helping you decide who gets to see what you're doing on eight of the larger social networking sites. http://mypermissions.org/ There are links on here to the applications pages of Facebook, Twitter, Flickr, Yahoo, LinkedIn, Google, Instagram and DropBox. You can see what you've given permissions to in the past, and remove anything you don't want to have access to your data. Jon From fuller.artful at gmail.com Wed Jan 4 12:11:09 2012 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 13:11:09 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Blogs Message-ID: Hello everyone, I have created a blog and so far not a single person has responded to anything posted thus far. So please, dear reader, visit http://artfulopinions.blogspot.com/ and tell me what an idiot I am, or how brilliant I am, or what an average dullard I am, or how much time I'm wasting doing this when I could be learning more about C#, or something else that I haven't thought of. Thanks, -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. -- Werner Heisenberg From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk Wed Jan 4 12:37:12 2012 From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 18:37:12 +0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Blogs Message-ID: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB082957BB2D58E95@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk> Hi Arthur The background image makes it hard to read especially towards the second part. Martin Sent from my Windows Phone ________________________________ From: Arthur Fuller Sent: 04/01/2012 18:11 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Blogs Hello everyone, I have created a blog and so far not a single person has responded to anything posted thus far. So please, dear reader, visit http://artfulopinions.blogspot.com/ and tell me what an idiot I am, or how brilliant I am, or what an average dullard I am, or how much time I'm wasting doing this when I could be learning more about C#, or something else that I haven't thought of. Thanks, -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. -- Werner Heisenberg _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Wed Jan 4 12:41:42 2012 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 13:41:42 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Blogs In-Reply-To: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB082957BB2D58E95@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk> References: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB082957BB2D58E95@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk> Message-ID: Thanks for looking, Martin, and incidentally, Happy New Year. I'll look into the background problem and attempt to fix it asap. Thanks for the tip. A. On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 1:37 PM, Martin Reid wrote: > Hi Arthur > The background image makes it hard to read especially towards the second > part. > > Martin > > From peter.brawley at earthlink.net Wed Jan 4 12:43:58 2012 From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley) Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2012 12:43:58 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Blogs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4F049DEE.7040505@earthlink.net> On 1/4/2012 12:11 PM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > Hello everyone, > > I have created a blog and so far not a single person has responded to > anything posted thus far. So please, dear reader, visit > http://artfulopinions.blogspot.com/ and tell me what an idiot I am, or how > brilliant I am, or what an average dullard I am, or how much time I'm > wasting doing this when I could be learning more about C#, or something > else that I haven't thought of. > > Thanks, Nicely done. When you land on a topic I can find something to say about, I'll dive in. P. From fuller.artful at gmail.com Wed Jan 4 12:45:42 2012 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 13:45:42 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Blogs In-Reply-To: References: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB082957BB2D58E95@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk> Message-ID: OK now I'm puzzled. I just visited the site and the text is clear as a bell on my desktop monitor. There is a background image, but it's around the text. Having no smart phone, I cannot duplicate your test. Perhaps someone else on the list who also has a smart phone can do a quick check and report what is visible (or in this case, blocked-visible). A. On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 1:41 PM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > Thanks for looking, Martin, and incidentally, Happy New Year. I'll look > into the background problem and attempt to fix it asap. Thanks for the tip. > > A. > > > On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 1:37 PM, Martin Reid wrote: > >> Hi Arthur >> The background image makes it hard to read especially towards the second >> part. >> >> Martin >> >> -- Cell: 647.710.1314 Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. -- Werner Heisenberg From accessd at shaw.ca Wed Jan 4 14:25:29 2012 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 12:25:29 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Blogs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I am duly impressed. Very good job Arthur and a wonderful way to start off the New Years. Keep the programming information current, keep the subjects varied and the politics radical and I will be visiting often. :-) Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2012 10:11 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Blogs Hello everyone, I have created a blog and so far not a single person has responded to anything posted thus far. So please, dear reader, visit http://artfulopinions.blogspot.com/ and tell me what an idiot I am, or how brilliant I am, or what an average dullard I am, or how much time I'm wasting doing this when I could be learning more about C#, or something else that I haven't thought of. Thanks, -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. -- Werner Heisenberg _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Wed Jan 4 14:39:05 2012 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 12:39:05 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Blogs In-Reply-To: References: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB082957BB2D58E95@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk> Message-ID: <319009C9DF9F4BE791506BF0C72F70D4@creativesystemdesigns.com> The text looks just fine to me but I am using a "Modern Browser"...and to assure that everything was running correctly I tested it with IE8, FF, Safari and Chrome. The background is supposed to look muted...but I think Martin is just pulling your leg. ;-) Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2012 10:46 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Blogs OK now I'm puzzled. I just visited the site and the text is clear as a bell on my desktop monitor. There is a background image, but it's around the text. Having no smart phone, I cannot duplicate your test. Perhaps someone else on the list who also has a smart phone can do a quick check and report what is visible (or in this case, blocked-visible). A. On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 1:41 PM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > Thanks for looking, Martin, and incidentally, Happy New Year. I'll look > into the background problem and attempt to fix it asap. Thanks for the tip. > > A. > > > On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 1:37 PM, Martin Reid wrote: > >> Hi Arthur >> The background image makes it hard to read especially towards the second >> part. >> >> Martin >> >> -- Cell: 647.710.1314 Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. -- Werner Heisenberg _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From hans.andersen at phulse.com Wed Jan 4 15:30:27 2012 From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 13:30:27 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Blogs In-Reply-To: References: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB082957BB2D58E95@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk> Message-ID: I checked on my iPhone. Looks just fine. - Hans Sent from my iPhone On 2012-01-04, at 10:45 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > OK now I'm puzzled. I just visited the site and the text is clear as a bell > on my desktop monitor. There is a background image, but it's around the > text. Having no smart phone, I cannot duplicate your test. Perhaps someone > else on the list who also has a smart phone can do a quick check and report > what is visible (or in this case, blocked-visible). > > A. > > On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 1:41 PM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > >> Thanks for looking, Martin, and incidentally, Happy New Year. I'll look >> into the background problem and attempt to fix it asap. Thanks for the tip. >> >> A. >> >> >> On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 1:37 PM, Martin Reid wrote: >> >>> Hi Arthur >>> The background image makes it hard to read especially towards the second >>> part. >>> >>> Martin >>> >>> -- > Cell: 647.710.1314 > > Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. > -- Werner Heisenberg > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From james at fcidms.com Wed Jan 4 15:35:40 2012 From: james at fcidms.com (James Barash) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 13:35:40 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Blogs In-Reply-To: References: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB082957BB2D58E95@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk> Message-ID: I checked on an Android phone and it looked fine. A little slow to scroll. James Barash -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2012 1:46 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Blogs OK now I'm puzzled. I just visited the site and the text is clear as a bell on my desktop monitor. There is a background image, but it's around the text. Having no smart phone, I cannot duplicate your test. Perhaps someone else on the list who also has a smart phone can do a quick check and report what is visible (or in this case, blocked-visible). A. On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 1:41 PM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > Thanks for looking, Martin, and incidentally, Happy New Year. I'll > look into the background problem and attempt to fix it asap. Thanks for the tip. > > A. > > > On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 1:37 PM, Martin Reid wrote: > >> Hi Arthur >> The background image makes it hard to read especially towards the >> second part. >> >> Martin >> >> -- Cell: 647.710.1314 Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. -- Werner Heisenberg _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Wed Jan 4 16:02:22 2012 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 17:02:22 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Blogs In-Reply-To: References: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB082957BB2D58E95@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk> Message-ID: Thanks to you all for checking it out. Perhaps Martin has a weird phone. Glad to hear that everything looks right to all other visitors in the world. Perhaps it's an Ireland thing, dunno. Arthur On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 4:35 PM, James Barash wrote: > I checked on an Android phone and it looked fine. A little slow to scroll. > > James Barash > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto: > dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller > Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2012 1:46 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Blogs > > OK now I'm puzzled. I just visited the site and the text is clear as a > bell on my desktop monitor. There is a background image, but it's around > the text. Having no smart phone, I cannot duplicate your test. Perhaps > someone else on the list who also has a smart phone can do a quick check > and report what is visible (or in this case, blocked-visible). > > A. > > On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 1:41 PM, Arthur Fuller >wrote: > > > Thanks for looking, Martin, and incidentally, Happy New Year. I'll > > look into the background problem and attempt to fix it asap. Thanks for > the tip. > > > > A. > > > > > > On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 1:37 PM, Martin Reid wrote: > > > >> Hi Arthur > >> The background image makes it hard to read especially towards the > >> second part. > >> > >> Martin > >> > >> -- > Cell: 647.710.1314 > > Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. > -- Werner Heisenberg > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Cell: 647.710.1314 Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. -- Werner Heisenberg From tinanfields at torchlake.com Wed Jan 4 16:09:31 2012 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2012 17:09:31 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Blogs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4F04CE1B.3030705@torchlake.com> Lovely. You had a blog on blogspot some years ago, I recall. I started one at about the same time, but did not keep it up. Maybe I'll do it again. Did you win the CBC logo contest? T Tina Norris Fields tinanfields at torchlake.com 231-322-2787 On 1/4/2012 1:11 PM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > Hello everyone, > > I have created a blog and so far not a single person has responded to > anything posted thus far. So please, dear reader, visit > http://artfulopinions.blogspot.com/ and tell me what an idiot I am, or how > brilliant I am, or what an average dullard I am, or how much time I'm > wasting doing this when I could be learning more about C#, or something > else that I haven't thought of. > > Thanks, From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk Wed Jan 4 16:07:58 2012 From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 22:07:58 +0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Blogs Message-ID: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB082957BB2D58E97@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk> We Irish always see things a little differently. Than the rest of the world. Happy new year Martin Sent from my Windows Phone ________________________________ From: Arthur Fuller Sent: 04/01/2012 22:02 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Blogs Thanks to you all for checking it out. Perhaps Martin has a weird phone. Glad to hear that everything looks right to all other visitors in the world. Perhaps it's an Ireland thing, dunno. Arthur On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 4:35 PM, James Barash wrote: > I checked on an Android phone and it looked fine. A little slow to scroll. > > James Barash > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto: > dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller > Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2012 1:46 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Blogs > > OK now I'm puzzled. I just visited the site and the text is clear as a > bell on my desktop monitor. There is a background image, but it's around > the text. Having no smart phone, I cannot duplicate your test. Perhaps > someone else on the list who also has a smart phone can do a quick check > and report what is visible (or in this case, blocked-visible). > > A. > > On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 1:41 PM, Arthur Fuller >wrote: > > > Thanks for looking, Martin, and incidentally, Happy New Year. I'll > > look into the background problem and attempt to fix it asap. Thanks for > the tip. > > > > A. > > > > > > On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 1:37 PM, Martin Reid wrote: > > > >> Hi Arthur > >> The background image makes it hard to read especially towards the > >> second part. > >> > >> Martin > >> > >> -- > Cell: 647.710.1314 > > Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. > -- Werner Heisenberg > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Cell: 647.710.1314 Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. -- Werner Heisenberg _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Thu Jan 5 07:42:34 2012 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 08:42:34 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Turing Centenary Message-ID: Since this is the Turing centenary, you may be called upon to explain what a Turing machine is and how it works. This link provides an illustrated guide from simple state machines up to the Turing machine, and how it can simulate any other computer. http://www.i-programmer.info/babbages-bag/23.html -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. -- Werner Heisenberg From fuller.artful at gmail.com Thu Jan 5 08:44:14 2012 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 09:44:14 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Change bootup order Message-ID: I have a multiboot setup that includes Windows 7, SQL Server 2008 R2 and Ubuntu. I only run R2 occasionally, but when I installed it, it became the default item. I'd like to change this so Windows 7 is the default. Time was, all one had to do was edit a file called boot.ini, but things have changed in Windows 7. Does anyone know how to change the order in the new setup? TIA, Arthur -- Cell: 647.710.1314 Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. -- Werner Heisenberg From jason at purplecone.com Thu Jan 5 08:47:38 2012 From: jason at purplecone.com (Jason Strickland) Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 09:47:38 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Change bootup order In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: System Properties. Advanced tab. Click Startup & Recovery at bottom. On the window, select the default OS. On Thu, Jan 5, 2012 at 9:44 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > I have a multiboot setup that includes Windows 7, SQL Server 2008 R2 and > Ubuntu. I only run R2 occasionally, but when I installed it, it became the > default item. I'd like to change this so Windows 7 is the default. Time > was, all one had to do was edit a file called boot.ini, but things have > changed in Windows 7. Does anyone know how to change the order in the new > setup? > > TIA, > Arthur > -- > Cell: 647.710.1314 > > Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. > -- Werner Heisenberg > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- "One reason a dog has so many friends: he wags his tail instead of his tongue." From fuller.artful at gmail.com Thu Jan 5 09:30:04 2012 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 10:30:04 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Change bootup order In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Wow, that's pretty simple! Thanks! A. On Thu, Jan 5, 2012 at 9:47 AM, Jason Strickland wrote: > System Properties. Advanced tab. Click Startup & Recovery at bottom. On the > window, select the default OS. > > On Thu, Jan 5, 2012 at 9:44 AM, Arthur Fuller >wrote: > > From accessd at shaw.ca Thu Jan 5 10:06:51 2012 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 08:06:51 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Turing Centenary In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6A4ED4A1D1A741DD91A630A54BD76D74@creativesystemdesigns.com> Really interesting. Our current mechanical computing lends itself to finite states but a Turing design lends itself to possible infinite states...a very different concept. Our brains work more on the Turing method (it is theorized but we really don't know.) Some suggest that we have a equivalent of a million cores, that can exist in infinite states, all running in parallel...or not as it would seem. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2012 5:43 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Turing Centenary Since this is the Turing centenary, you may be called upon to explain what a Turing machine is and how it works. This link provides an illustrated guide from simple state machines up to the Turing machine, and how it can simulate any other computer. http://www.i-programmer.info/babbages-bag/23.html -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. -- Werner Heisenberg _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Fri Jan 6 08:41:49 2012 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2012 09:41:49 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Web Servers Message-ID: >From slashdot... *"With financial backing from the likes of Michael Dell and other venture capitalists, open source upstart Nginx has edged out Microsoft IIS (Internet Information Server) to hold the title of second-most widely used Web server among all active websites. What's more, according to Netcraft's January 2012 Web Server Survey, Nginx over the past month has gained market share among all websites, whereas competitors Apache, Microsoft, and Google each lost share."* Shows how web-unaware I am: I've never even heard of Nginx. But I'll Google it now. -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. -- Werner Heisenberg From eptept at gmail.com Fri Jan 6 08:46:26 2012 From: eptept at gmail.com (Ed Tesiny) Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2012 09:46:26 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Editing a PDF File Message-ID: Hi All, Is there a good free program out there where you could edit a pdf file. Thanks, Ed From ssharkins at gmail.com Fri Jan 6 09:19:57 2012 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2012 10:19:57 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Editing a PDF File References: Message-ID: Oh lands... I looked and looked about a year ago. Good luck! Susan H. > Hi All, > Is there a good free program out there where you could edit a pdf file. > Thanks, > Ed From fuller.artful at gmail.com Fri Jan 6 10:37:44 2012 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2012 11:37:44 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] OT Friday: Humour Time Message-ID: A guy stumbles into a bar and orders a double-scotch. The barkeep says, "You're too drunk already. I am legally obliged to refuse to serve you." The customer leaves, walks down the street to the immediate back lane, goes down same, and enters the bar via the side door. Steps up to the bar and orders a double-scotch. Bartender says, "I can't serve you, you're already drunk." Guy leaves, goes the other way, then down the alley, and enters via the other side door. Steps up to the bar and orders a double-scotch. Bartender says, "I can't serve you. You've already had too much to drink." Guy leaves, goes down the alley, turns left, finds the rear door, and re-enters the bar. Steps up, orders a double-scotch. Bartender says, "I told you already, I can't serve you, you're too drunk." Guy replies, "How many bars do you work in?" -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. -- Werner Heisenberg From fuller.artful at gmail.com Fri Jan 6 10:40:53 2012 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2012 11:40:53 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Editing a PDF File In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Easy on Linux, not so easy on Windows (assuming you're looking for a freebie). There are lots of commercial Windows apps that can do this; AFAIK the only free ones are on Linux. Hence my reason for dual-boot. A. On Fri, Jan 6, 2012 at 10:19 AM, Susan Harkins wrote: > Oh lands... I looked and looked about a year ago. Good luck! > Susan H. > > Hi All, >> Is there a good free program out there where you could edit a pdf file. >> Thanks, >> Ed >> > -- Cell: 647.710.1314 Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. -- Werner Heisenberg From marklbreen at gmail.com Sat Jan 7 12:32:21 2012 From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen) Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2012 18:32:21 +0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Another database from hell Message-ID: Hello AccessD Friends, I have a new client and my task is to replace an aging Access database with a DotNetNuke based system. Because the Access db is due for early retirement, neither I nor the client wish to invest any time or effort in re-programming. I am prepared to perform some minor improvements, but on the basis that it is working as is for a number of years, I do not want to do too much work on it. The reason I am seeking help from AccessD is that the Access App is loosing connection with the network a few times per day. The message the users get is *"Your network access was interrupted. To continue, close the database and then open it again. You cannot save the record at this time"* Now the scary bit, 1) the db is 120 MB when fully compacted but quickly grows back to 300MB. 2) There are 12 to 15 simultaneous users. 3) Each user always opens two instances of MS Access so that they can keep two different screens open at all times. 4) It does not help if I configure a BE and an FE or simply include all tables in the one mdb file. 5) They do not currently operate with an FE on the local machine (I am considering moving FE's locally to test that). 6) All PCs are slow and old 7) Error handling and best practices are absolutely non-existent 8) Some PCs run Access 2007 and some run 2003. The db files are stored on a Windows 2008 R2 Server, but the users think they had better performance when it was hosted on Windows XP machines, I am not sure if that is correct but can check. Any suggestions ?? My advice to someone in my position would be to simply not touch the Access App and focus on the new app, but if I could think of a quick win, I would try it to simply prevent the error mentioned above. Thanks for any advice and I will understand if you have non at all :) Mark From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk Sat Jan 7 13:03:40 2012 From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid) Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2012 19:03:40 +0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Another database from hell Message-ID: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB082957BB2D58E9B@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk> Mark My first approach would be install front ends on client machines and link to server backend. See hit that goes first. Martin Sent from my Windows Phone ________________________________ From: Mark Breen Sent: 07/01/2012 18:33 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving; Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Another database from hell Hello AccessD Friends, I have a new client and my task is to replace an aging Access database with a DotNetNuke based system. Because the Access db is due for early retirement, neither I nor the client wish to invest any time or effort in re-programming. I am prepared to perform some minor improvements, but on the basis that it is working as is for a number of years, I do not want to do too much work on it. The reason I am seeking help from AccessD is that the Access App is loosing connection with the network a few times per day. The message the users get is *"Your network access was interrupted. To continue, close the database and then open it again. You cannot save the record at this time"* Now the scary bit, 1) the db is 120 MB when fully compacted but quickly grows back to 300MB. 2) There are 12 to 15 simultaneous users. 3) Each user always opens two instances of MS Access so that they can keep two different screens open at all times. 4) It does not help if I configure a BE and an FE or simply include all tables in the one mdb file. 5) They do not currently operate with an FE on the local machine (I am considering moving FE's locally to test that). 6) All PCs are slow and old 7) Error handling and best practices are absolutely non-existent 8) Some PCs run Access 2007 and some run 2003. The db files are stored on a Windows 2008 R2 Server, but the users think they had better performance when it was hosted on Windows XP machines, I am not sure if that is correct but can check. Any suggestions ?? My advice to someone in my position would be to simply not touch the Access App and focus on the new app, but if I could think of a quick win, I would try it to simply prevent the error mentioned above. Thanks for any advice and I will understand if you have non at all :) Mark _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Sat Jan 7 13:15:13 2012 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2012 11:15:13 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Another database from hell In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <31845E0AEEAC44DDBB52A4322690432A@creativesystemdesigns.com> Hi Mark: I have that same problem on one of my systems. Access connection keeps dropping for no apparent reason. (We have blamed the new system's method of auto saving the desktop and local data at various intervals through out the day as the most likely root cause.) The program moves the FE's to each station via automation, upon start and the issues continued. I have told the client that I could move the BE to a MS SQL 2008 express server on a Server2008 and make all the FE connections unbound. That is no simple feat but the client is concerned about the cost...it will be a lot of work. OTOH I am sure that would solve the problem. Moving the whole FE and BE to DNN is likely to cost yet more. Of course the ultimate solution is to build an intranet application in ASP.Net with a MS SQL BE. Then the issue of an old machines becomes irrelevant and the client can popup as many browsers windows as the local resources will allow. HTH Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2012 10:32 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving; Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Another database from hell Hello AccessD Friends, I have a new client and my task is to replace an aging Access database with a DotNetNuke based system. Because the Access db is due for early retirement, neither I nor the client wish to invest any time or effort in re-programming. I am prepared to perform some minor improvements, but on the basis that it is working as is for a number of years, I do not want to do too much work on it. The reason I am seeking help from AccessD is that the Access App is loosing connection with the network a few times per day. The message the users get is *"Your network access was interrupted. To continue, close the database and then open it again. You cannot save the record at this time"* Now the scary bit, 1) the db is 120 MB when fully compacted but quickly grows back to 300MB. 2) There are 12 to 15 simultaneous users. 3) Each user always opens two instances of MS Access so that they can keep two different screens open at all times. 4) It does not help if I configure a BE and an FE or simply include all tables in the one mdb file. 5) They do not currently operate with an FE on the local machine (I am considering moving FE's locally to test that). 6) All PCs are slow and old 7) Error handling and best practices are absolutely non-existent 8) Some PCs run Access 2007 and some run 2003. The db files are stored on a Windows 2008 R2 Server, but the users think they had better performance when it was hosted on Windows XP machines, I am not sure if that is correct but can check. Any suggestions ?? My advice to someone in my position would be to simply not touch the Access App and focus on the new app, but if I could think of a quick win, I would try it to simply prevent the error mentioned above. Thanks for any advice and I will understand if you have non at all :) Mark _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sat Jan 7 13:15:34 2012 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2012 14:15:34 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Another database from hell In-Reply-To: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB082957BB2D58E9B@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk> References: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB082957BB2D58E9B@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk> Message-ID: Mark, I agree with Martin, and I might also use JC's technique of opening an initial recordset at startup and keeping it open for the life of the app, closing it only when the app shuts down. I wouldn't copy the FE to all machines, to begin with. I'd pick just two, perhaps one running 2003 and one running 2007. Arthur On Sat, Jan 7, 2012 at 2:03 PM, Martin Reid wrote: > Mark > > My first approach would be install front ends on client machines and link > to server backend. See hit that goes first. > > Martin > -- Cell: 647.710.1314 Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. -- Werner Heisenberg From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Sat Jan 7 18:03:33 2012 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2012 10:03:33 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Another database from hell In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4F08DD55.30432.9BE6DB3@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Are they using wired or wireless network connections? Access over wireless can be very problematic. -- Stuart On 7 Jan 2012 at 18:32, Mark Breen wrote: > Hello AccessD Friends, > > I have a new client and my task is to replace an aging Access database with > a DotNetNuke based system. > > Because the Access db is due for early retirement, neither I nor the client > wish to invest any time or effort in re-programming. I am prepared to > perform some minor improvements, but on the basis that it is working as is > for a number of years, I do not want to do too much work on it. > > The reason I am seeking help from AccessD is that the Access App is loosing > connection with the network a few times per day. The message the users get > is > > *"Your network access was interrupted. To continue, close the database and > then open it again. You cannot save the record at this time"* > > Now the scary bit, > 1) the db is 120 MB when fully compacted but quickly grows back to 300MB. > 2) There are 12 to 15 simultaneous users. > 3) Each user always opens two instances of MS Access so that they can keep > two different screens open at all times. > 4) It does not help if I configure a BE and an FE or simply include all > tables in the one mdb file. > 5) They do not currently operate with an FE on the local machine (I am > considering moving FE's locally to test that). > 6) All PCs are slow and old > 7) Error handling and best practices are absolutely non-existent > 8) Some PCs run Access 2007 and some run 2003. > > The db files are stored on a Windows 2008 R2 Server, but the users think > they had better performance when it was hosted on Windows XP machines, I am > not sure if that is correct but can check. > > Any suggestions ?? > > My advice to someone in my position would be to simply not touch the Access > App and focus on the new app, but if I could think of a quick win, I would > try it to simply prevent the error mentioned above. > > Thanks for any advice and I will understand if you have non at all :) > > Mark > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sun Jan 8 09:40:37 2012 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2012 10:40:37 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Linq Message-ID: I'm learning C# 2010 and part of that concerns Linq. I thought I'd read something about Linq being deprecated. Am I mistaken? Am I wasting my time learning that part? -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. -- Werner Heisenberg From df.waters at comcast.net Sun Jan 8 10:12:39 2012 From: df.waters at comcast.net (Dan Waters) Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2012 10:12:39 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Linq In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000901ccce20$58517330$08f45990$@comcast.net> Hi Arthur, LINQ is a Microsoft BIG DEAL! It's NOT being deprecated. What you may have read is that Linq-to-SQL is being deprecated - also not true. A few years ago MS apparently said something that was misinterpreted as LtS being deprecated in favor of Linq-to-Entities, and that sparked a rumor which hasn't died yet. In a very broad definition LINQ replaces recordsets. LTS and LTE are similar concepts. Each provides a way to avoid using lots of connection and command code to update the underlying database. The broad difference is that LtS works only with Sql Server, while LtE works with any database. As you might guess, LtS is simpler and faster. If you're defining your own tables in Sql Server it's the right path to take. With any other BE, you'll need LtE. LtE can make developer life easier because you can avoid 'impedance mismatch' between the data fields and types in the BE, and what the FE really wants to have (I don't know much about LtE). But you won't have that if you're designing your own tables. LtE is also more complex than LtS, and I've read where some shops have deemed it too problematic and have stopped using it. Another thing you may hear is that LtS and LtE are slow. I've read both, but the consensus is that if you're operating on large numbers of records, you may want to do some comparison testing to see if it's fast enough. For example, in my system when I initially opened a form and pulled over all the table records from BE to FE across a WAN (~ 16K records), the form took about 30 seconds to open. But when I rewrote it so that only one record at a time came across, there was no opening lag. I didn't compare to opening an ADO recordset with 16K records so I don't have a comparison. Do some searches on 'Learning LINQ', 'Learning Linq to SQL', etc., and you'll have reading for a week. Good Luck! Dan -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2012 9:41 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Linq I'm learning C# 2010 and part of that concerns Linq. I thought I'd read something about Linq being deprecated. Am I mistaken? Am I wasting my time learning that part? -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. -- Werner Heisenberg _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From gustav at cactus.dk Sun Jan 8 10:34:10 2012 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2012 17:34:10 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Linq Message-ID: Hi Arthur And don't forget LINQPad: http://www.linqpad.net/ It's even free but for a small amount you can buy the Pro version with autocompletion and more. /gustav >>> df.waters at comcast.net 08-01-2012 17:12 >>> Hi Arthur, LINQ is a Microsoft BIG DEAL! It's NOT being deprecated. What you may have read is that Linq-to-SQL is being deprecated - also not true. A few years ago MS apparently said something that was misinterpreted as LtS being deprecated in favor of Linq-to-Entities, and that sparked a rumor which hasn't died yet. In a very broad definition LINQ replaces recordsets. LTS and LTE are similar concepts. Each provides a way to avoid using lots of connection and command code to update the underlying database. The broad difference is that LtS works only with Sql Server, while LtE works with any database. As you might guess, LtS is simpler and faster. If you're defining your own tables in Sql Server it's the right path to take. With any other BE, you'll need LtE. LtE can make developer life easier because you can avoid 'impedance mismatch' between the data fields and types in the BE, and what the FE really wants to have (I don't know much about LtE). But you won't have that if you're designing your own tables. LtE is also more complex than LtS, and I've read where some shops have deemed it too problematic and have stopped using it. Another thing you may hear is that LtS and LtE are slow. I've read both, but the consensus is that if you're operating on large numbers of records, you may want to do some comparison testing to see if it's fast enough. For example, in my system when I initially opened a form and pulled over all the table records from BE to FE across a WAN (~ 16K records), the form took about 30 seconds to open. But when I rewrote it so that only one record at a time came across, there was no opening lag. I didn't compare to opening an ADO recordset with 16K records so I don't have a comparison. Do some searches on 'Learning LINQ', 'Learning Linq to SQL', etc., and you'll have reading for a week. Good Luck! Dan -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2012 9:41 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Linq I'm learning C# 2010 and part of that concerns Linq. I thought I'd read something about Linq being deprecated. Am I mistaken? Am I wasting my time learning that part? -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sun Jan 8 12:27:29 2012 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2012 13:27:29 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Linq In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks for the guidance, guys! I shall plod on, in my semi-retirement shrinking-grasp mode. Centimeter by centimeter, as it were, but as the snail said, "It's Progress." A. On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 11:34 AM, Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi Arthur > > And don't forget LINQPad: > > http://www.linqpad.net/ > > It's even free but for a small amount you can buy the Pro version with > autocompletion and more. > > /gustav > > > >>> df.waters at comcast.net 08-01-2012 17:12 >>> > Hi Arthur, > > LINQ is a Microsoft BIG DEAL! It's NOT being deprecated. > > What you may have read is that Linq-to-SQL is being deprecated - also not > true. A few years ago MS apparently said something that was misinterpreted > as LtS being deprecated in favor of Linq-to-Entities, and that sparked a > rumor which hasn't died yet. > > In a very broad definition LINQ replaces recordsets. > > LTS and LTE are similar concepts. Each provides a way to avoid using lots > of connection and command code to update the underlying database. The > broad > difference is that LtS works only with Sql Server, while LtE works with any > database. As you might guess, LtS is simpler and faster. If you're > defining your own tables in Sql Server it's the right path to take. With > any other BE, you'll need LtE. LtE can make developer life easier because > you can avoid 'impedance mismatch' between the data fields and types in the > BE, and what the FE really wants to have (I don't know much about LtE). > But > you won't have that if you're designing your own tables. LtE is also more > complex than LtS, and I've read where some shops have deemed it too > problematic and have stopped using it. > > Another thing you may hear is that LtS and LtE are slow. I've read both, > but the consensus is that if you're operating on large numbers of records, > you may want to do some comparison testing to see if it's fast enough. For > example, in my system when I initially opened a form and pulled over all > the > table records from BE to FE across a WAN (~ 16K records), the form took > about 30 seconds to open. But when I rewrote it so that only one record at > a time came across, there was no opening lag. I didn't compare to opening > an ADO recordset with 16K records so I don't have a comparison. > > Do some searches on 'Learning LINQ', 'Learning Linq to SQL', etc., and > you'll have reading for a week. > > Good Luck! > Dan > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller > Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2012 9:41 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: [dba-Tech] Linq > > I'm learning C# 2010 and part of that concerns Linq. I thought I'd read > something about Linq being deprecated. Am I mistaken? Am I wasting my time > learning that part? > > -- > Arthur > Cell: 647.710.1314 > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Cell: 647.710.1314 Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. -- Werner Heisenberg From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Mon Jan 9 07:41:45 2012 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2012 05:41:45 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Registry Cleaners Message-ID: <74A2CF5D7ED1487D98AA3C427674469E@HAL9007> http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/five-apps/five-free-windows-registry-cleane rs-to-keep-your-system-running-smoothly/1236?tag=nl.e101 From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Jan 9 09:19:23 2012 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2012 07:19:23 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Microsoft has done good. In-Reply-To: <74A2CF5D7ED1487D98AA3C427674469E@HAL9007> References: <74A2CF5D7ED1487D98AA3C427674469E@HAL9007> Message-ID: <8E3C7A7DD948497080C1C831C3A6B16D@creativesystemdesigns.com> After years of bad reviews, many lack luster products and a lot of bad press (not necessarily their fault), it seems the Microsoft has a winner. Its new Windows Phone. http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/08/technology/microsoft-defying-image-has-a-d esign-gem-in-windows-phone.html?_r=1 Jim From fuller.artful at gmail.com Mon Jan 9 10:34:54 2012 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2012 11:34:54 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Random Signatures in Chrome Message-ID: Is there any way to append a random selection from a list of signatures in Chrome (or for that matter, any other browser)? Ideally, I would like to have a database of quotes from people much smarter than I, and have gmail randomly select one of same to use for my signature on any random email reply. I suppose I could add them all to a single Chrome reply, and then arbitrarily delete 99% of them, but that seems way too much effort. I want to have a list of pithy missives and have gmail arbitrarily add one from the list. Anyone know how to achieve that? -- TIA, Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Never trust a naked bus-driver. From marklbreen at gmail.com Mon Jan 9 11:35:15 2012 From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2012 17:35:15 +0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Random Signatures in Chrome In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Arthur, AFAICR, there used to be a gmail labs feature that did exactly that. I had it turned on until my wife ordered me to turn it off, as of course, we all must do as our wives instruct. Mark On 9 January 2012 16:34, Arthur Fuller wrote: > Is there any way to append a random selection from a list of signatures in > Chrome (or for that matter, any other browser)? Ideally, I would like to > have a database of quotes from people much smarter than I, and have gmail > randomly select one of same to use for my signature on any random email > reply. > > I suppose I could add them all to a single Chrome reply, and then > arbitrarily delete 99% of them, but that seems way too much effort. I want > to have a list of pithy missives and have gmail arbitrarily add one from > the list. > > Anyone know how to achieve that? > > -- > TIA, > Arthur > Cell: 647.710.1314 > > Never trust a naked bus-driver. > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From erbachs at gmail.com Mon Jan 9 12:00:42 2012 From: erbachs at gmail.com (Steve Erbach) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2012 12:00:42 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Registry Cleaners In-Reply-To: <74A2CF5D7ED1487D98AA3C427674469E@HAL9007> References: <74A2CF5D7ED1487D98AA3C427674469E@HAL9007> Message-ID: I've used PC Tools Registry Mechanic for the past 3+ years, ever since I successfully cleaned up the registry on my old workstation (vintage 2004), a PC that kept rebooting. The resident PC guru at the company I used to work for couldn't get it fixed all the way, and I tried Registry Mechanic as something of a last resort. It had the added benefit of allowing me to create a Virtual PC out of that machine so that I could run it on my current w/s (Windows XP x64 w/8 GB RAM). I also use CCleaner from time to time, but Registry Mechanic is the one I use daily. Regards, Steve Erbach Neenah, WI On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 7:41 AM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > > http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/five-apps/five-free-windows-registry-cleane > rs-to-keep-your-system-running-smoothly/1236?tag=nl.e101 > _______________________________________________ > From fuller.artful at gmail.com Mon Jan 9 12:14:13 2012 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2012 13:14:13 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Random Signatures in Chrome In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: With your wife's permission, I shall investigate. A. On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 12:35 PM, Mark Breen wrote: > Hi Arthur, > > AFAICR, there used to be a gmail labs feature that did exactly that. > > I had it turned on until my wife ordered me to turn it off, as of course, > we all must do as our wives instruct. > > Mark > > > From john at winhaven.net Mon Jan 9 13:09:43 2012 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2012 13:09:43 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Gmail sort by sender option Message-ID: <021a01cccf02$3eda4d40$bc8ee7c0$@winhaven.net> Hey Gmail gurus - is there a way to sort the inbox by sender? TIA John B From garykjos at gmail.com Mon Jan 9 13:42:37 2012 From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2012 13:42:37 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Gmail sort by sender option In-Reply-To: <021a01cccf02$3eda4d40$bc8ee7c0$@winhaven.net> References: <021a01cccf02$3eda4d40$bc8ee7c0$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: Looks like no can do..... But people have asked before. http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/gmail/thread?tid=3206cd3d9cde361f&hl=en On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 1:09 PM, John Bartow wrote: > Hey Gmail gurus - is there a way to sort the inbox by sender? > > TIA > John B > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com From john at winhaven.net Mon Jan 9 14:06:22 2012 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2012 14:06:22 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Gmail sort by sender option In-Reply-To: References: <021a01cccf02$3eda4d40$bc8ee7c0$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: <022e01cccf0a$28e5e780$7ab1b680$@winhaven.net> Wow. Thanks. Can you search for a sender? -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos Sent: Monday, January 09, 2012 1:43 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Gmail sort by sender option Looks like no can do..... But people have asked before. http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/gmail/thread?tid=3206cd3d9cde361f&hl=e n On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 1:09 PM, John Bartow wrote: > Hey Gmail gurus - is there a way to sort the inbox by sender? > > TIA > John B > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From carbonnb at gmail.com Mon Jan 9 14:15:33 2012 From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2012 15:15:33 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Gmail sort by sender option In-Reply-To: <022e01cccf0a$28e5e780$7ab1b680$@winhaven.net> References: <021a01cccf02$3eda4d40$bc8ee7c0$@winhaven.net> <022e01cccf0a$28e5e780$7ab1b680$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: Yep. from:john at winhaven.net http://support.google.com/mail/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=7190&topic=1668965&ctx=topic for more details on searching. B On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 3:06 PM, John Bartow wrote: > Wow. Thanks. > > Can you search for a sender? > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos > Sent: Monday, January 09, 2012 1:43 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Gmail sort by sender option > > Looks like no can do..... ?But people have asked before. > > http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/gmail/thread?tid=3206cd3d9cde361f&hl=e > n > > On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 1:09 PM, John Bartow wrote: >> Hey Gmail gurus - is there a way to sort the inbox by sender? >> >> TIA >> John B >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > -- > Gary Kjos > garykjos at gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "What a great ride!" From garykjos at gmail.com Mon Jan 9 14:26:36 2012 From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2012 14:26:36 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Gmail sort by sender option In-Reply-To: <022e01cccf0a$28e5e780$7ab1b680$@winhaven.net> References: <021a01cccf02$3eda4d40$bc8ee7c0$@winhaven.net> <022e01cccf0a$28e5e780$7ab1b680$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: Sure. To find messages from a specific sender: 1. Type from:sender at domain.com or even from:bob into the search bar. Search. 2. [Alternate method] Open Contacts, find the sender in your Contacts, select them, and select Show recent conversations. On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 2:06 PM, John Bartow wrote: > Wow. Thanks. > > Can you search for a sender? > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos > Sent: Monday, January 09, 2012 1:43 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Gmail sort by sender option > > Looks like no can do..... ?But people have asked before. > > http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/gmail/thread?tid=3206cd3d9cde361f&hl=e > n > > On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 1:09 PM, John Bartow wrote: >> Hey Gmail gurus - is there a way to sort the inbox by sender? >> >> TIA >> John B >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > -- > Gary Kjos > garykjos at gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Tue Jan 10 06:01:52 2012 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 07:01:52 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Genius Message-ID: 'People are fascinated by the contrast between my very limited physical powers, and the vast nature of the universe I deal with,' says Stephen Hawking. 'I'm the archetype of a disabled genius, or should I say a physically challenged genius, to be politically correct. At least I'm obviously physically challenged. Whether I'm a genius is more open to doubt.'" If that question remains open, then another is closed: I am most definitely *not* a genius. A. -- Cell: 647.710.1314 Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. -- Werner Heisenberg From accessd at shaw.ca Tue Jan 10 08:48:18 2012 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 06:48:18 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Genius In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1BDEAD5AEB4A4D31B6519FA7B9790A40@creativesystemdesigns.com> A very interesting way that was put by a man who sould be a hero. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 4:02 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Genius 'People are fascinated by the contrast between my very limited physical powers, and the vast nature of the universe I deal with,' says Stephen Hawking. 'I'm the archetype of a disabled genius, or should I say a physically challenged genius, to be politically correct. At least I'm obviously physically challenged. Whether I'm a genius is more open to doubt.'" If that question remains open, then another is closed: I am most definitely *not* a genius. A. -- Cell: 647.710.1314 Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. -- Werner Heisenberg _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Tue Jan 10 09:01:21 2012 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 07:01:21 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Learning IIS In-Reply-To: <1BDEAD5AEB4A4D31B6519FA7B9790A40@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <1BDEAD5AEB4A4D31B6519FA7B9790A40@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <0ADFDB108FF743C59F3F4459FF754ABA@creativesystemdesigns.com> Here is an interesting series for those wishing to learn or upgrade their skills in Microsoft's IIS. http://dotnetslackers.com/projects/LearnIIS7/ Jim From Gustav at cactus.dk Tue Jan 10 09:11:31 2012 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 16:11:31 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Learning IIS Message-ID: Hi Jim Thanks, just what I have been looking for - for a while, as it is not top priority, just tired of all the small snippets of learning that float around. /gustav >>> accessd at shaw.ca 10-01-2012 16:01 >>> Here is an interesting series for those wishing to learn or upgrade their skills in Microsoft's IIS. http://dotnetslackers.com/projects/LearnIIS7/ Jim From tinanfields at torchlake.com Tue Jan 10 13:24:30 2012 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 14:24:30 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Genius In-Reply-To: <1BDEAD5AEB4A4D31B6519FA7B9790A40@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <1BDEAD5AEB4A4D31B6519FA7B9790A40@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <4F0C906E.5060005@torchlake.com> He is a hero! No doubt about that! T Tina Norris Fields tinanfields at torchlake.com 231-322-2787 On 1/10/2012 9:48 AM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > A very interesting way that was put by a man who sould be a hero. > > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller > Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 4:02 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: [dba-Tech] Genius > > 'People are fascinated by the contrast between my very limited physical > powers, and the vast nature of the universe I deal with,' says Stephen > Hawking. 'I'm the archetype of a disabled > genius, > or should I say a physically challenged genius, to be politically correct. > At least I'm obviously physically challenged. Whether I'm a genius is more > open to doubt.'" > > If that question remains open, then another is closed: I am most definitely > *not* a genius. > A. > -- > > Cell: 647.710.1314 > > Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. > -- Werner Heisenberg > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From fuller.artful at gmail.com Wed Jan 11 17:59:26 2012 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 18:59:26 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: Twinkies R.I.P. Message-ID: The company that makes Twinkies has filed for bankruptcy protection. -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. -- Werner Heisenberg From garykjos at gmail.com Wed Jan 11 18:09:56 2012 From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 18:09:56 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: Twinkies R.I.P. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Second time in last several years. They aren't going away just yet. GK On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 5:59 PM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > The company that makes Twinkies has filed for bankruptcy protection. > > -- > Arthur > Cell: 647.710.1314 > > Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. > ?-- Werner Heisenberg > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com From hans.andersen at phulse.com Thu Jan 12 02:20:44 2012 From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 00:20:44 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: Twinkies R.I.P. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5AD62686-7C32-4B32-A051-BF4874321993@phulse.com> There goes our only source of food in a post nuclear apocalyptic future. Hans On 2012-01-11, at 4:09 PM, Gary Kjos wrote: > Second time in last several years. They aren't going away just yet. > > GK > > On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 5:59 PM, Arthur Fuller wrote: >> The company that makes Twinkies has filed for bankruptcy protection. >> >> -- >> Arthur >> Cell: 647.710.1314 >> >> Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. >> -- Werner Heisenberg >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > -- > Gary Kjos > garykjos at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Thu Jan 12 04:25:44 2012 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 20:25:44 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: Twinkies R.I.P. In-Reply-To: <5AD62686-7C32-4B32-A051-BF4874321993@phulse.com> References: , , <5AD62686-7C32-4B32-A051-BF4874321993@phulse.com> Message-ID: <4F0EB528.4268.5EC443F@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Speak for yourself, we will still be fine with coconuts, bananas and fish. -- Stuart On 12 Jan 2012 at 0:20, Hans-Christian Andersen wrote: > > There goes our only source of food in a post nuclear apocalyptic future. > > Hans > > > > On 2012-01-11, at 4:09 PM, Gary Kjos wrote: > > > Second time in last several years. They aren't going away just yet. > > > > GK > > > > On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 5:59 PM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > >> The company that makes Twinkies has filed for bankruptcy protection. > >> > >> -- > >> Arthur > >> Cell: 647.710.1314 > >> > >> Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. > >> -- Werner Heisenberg > >> _______________________________________________ > >> dba-Tech mailing list > >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > -- > > Gary Kjos > > garykjos at gmail.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From eptept at gmail.com Thu Jan 12 08:23:02 2012 From: eptept at gmail.com (Ed Tesiny) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 09:23:02 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: Twinkies R.I.P. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: You know i just saw a tv show on how they make twinkies and ever since I've had the urge to have one. Childhood all over again. BTW they sell a half billion a year, I think they'll be around for a while. On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 6:59 PM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > The company that makes Twinkies has filed for bankruptcy protection. > > -- > Arthur > Cell: 647.710.1314 > > Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. > -- Werner Heisenberg > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From eptept at gmail.com Thu Jan 12 08:26:06 2012 From: eptept at gmail.com (Ed Tesiny) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 09:26:06 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: Twinkies R.I.P. In-Reply-To: <4F0EB528.4268.5EC443F@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <5AD62686-7C32-4B32-A051-BF4874321993@phulse.com> <4F0EB528.4268.5EC443F@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: Well Stuart, bananas are banned from our house by Diane's orders. Fresh fish is very hard to get unless you go to the Asian market and buy one live. Coconuts? I guess you could live on Thai curries for a good while. On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 5:25 AM, Stuart McLachlan wrote: > Speak for yourself, we will still be fine with coconuts, bananas and fish. > > -- > Stuart > > On 12 Jan 2012 at 0:20, Hans-Christian Andersen wrote: > > > > > There goes our only source of food in a post nuclear apocalyptic future. > > > > Hans > > > > > > > > On 2012-01-11, at 4:09 PM, Gary Kjos wrote: > > > > > Second time in last several years. They aren't going away just yet. > > > > > > GK > > > > > > On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 5:59 PM, Arthur Fuller < > fuller.artful at gmail.com> wrote: > > >> The company that makes Twinkies has filed for bankruptcy protection. > > >> > > >> -- > > >> Arthur > > >> Cell: 647.710.1314 > > >> > > >> Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. > > >> -- Werner Heisenberg > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> dba-Tech mailing list > > >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Gary Kjos > > > garykjos at gmail.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From ssharkins at gmail.com Thu Jan 12 08:29:32 2012 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 09:29:32 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: Twinkies R.I.P. References: <5AD62686-7C32-4B32-A051-BF4874321993@phulse.com> Message-ID: <32FF200AF0D343038C6A8131F6EE3AB0@SusanHarkins> There's still Doritos and Hot Pockets! :) Susan H. > > There goes our only source of food in a post nuclear apocalyptic future. > > Hans > From accessd at shaw.ca Thu Jan 12 09:48:28 2012 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 07:48:28 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: Twinkies R.I.P. In-Reply-To: <5AD62686-7C32-4B32-A051-BF4874321993@phulse.com> References: <5AD62686-7C32-4B32-A051-BF4874321993@phulse.com> Message-ID: <68AAF56480AF455F97A7252866F4A853@creativesystemdesigns.com> Nuclear contamination couldn't wreak a Twinky. A thousand years from now when all the radiation had dissipated, once that celluloid was removed, that little twinky would be just as good as the day it was packaged. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hans-Christian Andersen Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2012 12:21 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] OT: Twinkies R.I.P. There goes our only source of food in a post nuclear apocalyptic future. Hans On 2012-01-11, at 4:09 PM, Gary Kjos wrote: > Second time in last several years. They aren't going away just yet. > > GK > > On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 5:59 PM, Arthur Fuller wrote: >> The company that makes Twinkies has filed for bankruptcy protection. >> >> -- >> Arthur >> Cell: 647.710.1314 >> >> Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. >> -- Werner Heisenberg >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > -- > Gary Kjos > garykjos at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Thu Jan 12 09:55:00 2012 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 07:55:00 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: Twinkies R.I.P. In-Reply-To: <32FF200AF0D343038C6A8131F6EE3AB0@SusanHarkins> References: <5AD62686-7C32-4B32-A051-BF4874321993@phulse.com> <32FF200AF0D343038C6A8131F6EE3AB0@SusanHarkins> Message-ID: <4D09959B3A7148938009134E45C9A30A@HAL9007> And Ho-Hos and Ding Dongs. No threat to American obesity. R -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2012 6:30 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] OT: Twinkies R.I.P. There's still Doritos and Hot Pockets! :) Susan H. > > There goes our only source of food in a post nuclear apocalyptic future. > > Hans > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From hans.andersen at phulse.com Thu Jan 12 09:57:07 2012 From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 07:57:07 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: Twinkies R.I.P. In-Reply-To: <68AAF56480AF455F97A7252866F4A853@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <5AD62686-7C32-4B32-A051-BF4874321993@phulse.com> <68AAF56480AF455F97A7252866F4A853@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <545E0D87-742E-4BA9-B313-EA04B9776AE3@phulse.com> Maybe so, but if no ones making twinkles and everyone eaten whats left of them already, there won't be any twinkles to be had! Hans On 2012-01-12, at 7:48 AM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Nuclear contamination couldn't wreak a Twinky. > > A thousand years from now when all the radiation had dissipated, once that > celluloid was removed, that little twinky would be just as good as the day > it was packaged. > > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hans-Christian > Andersen > Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2012 12:21 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] OT: Twinkies R.I.P. > > > There goes our only source of food in a post nuclear apocalyptic future. > > Hans > > > > On 2012-01-11, at 4:09 PM, Gary Kjos wrote: > >> Second time in last several years. They aren't going away just yet. >> >> GK >> >> On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 5:59 PM, Arthur Fuller > wrote: >>> The company that makes Twinkies has filed for bankruptcy protection. >>> >>> -- >>> Arthur >>> Cell: 647.710.1314 >>> >>> Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. >>> -- Werner Heisenberg >>> _______________________________________________ >>> dba-Tech mailing list >>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> >> >> -- >> Gary Kjos >> garykjos at gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Thu Jan 12 10:20:47 2012 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 08:20:47 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: Twinkies R.I.P. In-Reply-To: <545E0D87-742E-4BA9-B313-EA04B9776AE3@phulse.com> References: <5AD62686-7C32-4B32-A051-BF4874321993@phulse.com><68AAF56480AF455F97A7252866F4A853@creativesystemdesigns.com> <545E0D87-742E-4BA9-B313-EA04B9776AE3@phulse.com> Message-ID: <9868BEE6A7CD4C619EDCF9A23562DFEB@HAL9007> "just as good as the day it was packaged." Which is to say you'd be better off eating your own feces. R On 2012-01-12, at 7:48 AM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Nuclear contamination couldn't wreak a Twinky. > > A thousand years from now when all the radiation had dissipated, once > that celluloid was removed, that little twinky would be just as good > as the day it was packaged. > > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of > Hans-Christian Andersen > Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2012 12:21 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] OT: Twinkies R.I.P. > > > There goes our only source of food in a post nuclear apocalyptic future. > > Hans > > > > On 2012-01-11, at 4:09 PM, Gary Kjos wrote: > >> Second time in last several years. They aren't going away just yet. >> >> GK >> >> On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 5:59 PM, Arthur Fuller >> > wrote: >>> The company that makes Twinkies has filed for bankruptcy protection. >>> >>> -- >>> Arthur >>> Cell: 647.710.1314 >>> >>> Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. >>> -- Werner Heisenberg >>> _______________________________________________ >>> dba-Tech mailing list >>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> >> >> -- >> Gary Kjos >> garykjos at gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Thu Jan 12 12:15:41 2012 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 10:15:41 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] OpenStack In-Reply-To: <9868BEE6A7CD4C619EDCF9A23562DFEB@HAL9007> References: <5AD62686-7C32-4B32-A051-BF4874321993@phulse.com> <68AAF56480AF455F97A7252866F4A853@creativesystemdesigns.com> <545E0D87-742E-4BA9-B313-EA04B9776AE3@phulse.com> <9868BEE6A7CD4C619EDCF9A23562DFEB@HAL9007> Message-ID: <58E73CC6E7914BB2894885142FCC2572@creativesystemdesigns.com> Openstack the current largest OpenSource Cloud application (currently supported by Rackspace and NASA) has just received yet another boost with AT&T throwing its considerable financial support behind it and they are planning to add a number of APIs. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/01/10/at_t_open_stack/ "AT&T has promised a LAMP stack for CentOS, Debian, Fedora, Red Hat and Windows Server for AT&T Cloud Architect, with plans to add a "full API framework" letting devs "fully tap" into AT&T's cloud." So what does OpenStack Cloud do and give? According to Openstack: Why OpenStack? Control and Flexibility. Open source platform means you're never locked to a proprietary vendor, and modular design can integrate with legacy or third-party technologies to meet your business needs. Hypervisor support for Microsoft Hyper-V, Citrix XenServer, Xen, KVM, VMWware ESX, LXC, QEMU, and UML. Industry Standard. More than 60 leading companies from over a dozen countries are participating in OpenStack, including Cisco, Citrix, Dell, Intel and Microsoft, and new OpenStack clouds are coming online across the globe. Proven Software. Running the OpenStack cloud operating system means running the same software that today powers some of the largest public and private clouds in the world. Compatible and Connected. Compatibility with public OpenStack clouds means enterprises are prepared for the future, making it easy to migrate data and applications to public clouds when conditions are right, based on security policies, economics, and other key business criteria. You can view the main page via: http://openstack.org So yet another big option for all who are thinking a dabbling or going into full production on the web. Jim From john at winhaven.net Thu Jan 12 12:21:20 2012 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 12:21:20 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: Twinkies R.I.P. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <01e101ccd156$fbe17070$f3a45150$@winhaven.net> I think it was the Ho-hos that got them into financial trouble ;o) -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 5:59 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: Twinkies R.I.P. The company that makes Twinkies has filed for bankruptcy protection. -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. -- Werner Heisenberg _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From carbonnb at gmail.com Thu Jan 12 15:34:51 2012 From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 16:34:51 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Developing Mobile Apps In-Reply-To: <3EB200E6-2752-461D-A735-9A5C48551E50@phulse.com> References: <4ECD455D.7060301@earthlink.net> <3EB200E6-2752-461D-A735-9A5C48551E50@phulse.com> Message-ID: Hans-Christian, Thanks for putting me on to PhoneGap. I just got approval from my boss to go ahead with a cross-platform mobile app pilot. She was very excited about the proof of concept apps I wrote. I get to do development work again. Woo hoo! -- Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com On Nov 23, 2011 8:12 PM, "Hans-Christian Andersen" wrote: > > Hi Arthur, > > If you want a platform agnostic app, might I suggest developing Phonegap. This will allow you to develop your app like a web application using tools that may perhaps already be familiar to you (HTML, JavaScript, CSS, etc). To add to that, you could use a web platform like Sencha Touch (or jquery mobile, though I believe Sencha touch has better performance and features). > > Developing it for Android will not make it platform agnostic and will significantly reduce your audience (especially a paying audience). > > The downside is that there is a limit to what you can do (ie. making 3D games or photo editing software). > > Have a look at Phonegap though. They support quite a range of platforms. Oh, and they are based in Vancouver as well. > > Best regards, > Hans-Christian Andersen > > > On 23 Nov 2011, at 11:11, Peter Brawley wrote: > > > On 11/23/2011 1:05 PM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > >> I have an idea for an ever-expanding mobile app, which consists almost > >> entirely of unrelated tables. My current sketch involves about a dozen > >> tables, all of them read-only: they will serve as on-the-spot lookups and > >> seldom if ever change (and any changes will be made by me, not the > >> end-user). Think of it as an on-line reference. > >> > >> Never having tried to write a mobile app, any suggestions for tools to use > >> in tackling this? I would like the app to be platform-agnostic if possible. > > Eclipse and its Android Development plugin. > > > > PB > > > > ----- > > > >> > >> TIA, > >> Arthur > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From hans.andersen at phulse.com Thu Jan 12 17:52:53 2012 From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 15:52:53 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Developing Mobile Apps In-Reply-To: References: <4ECD455D.7060301@earthlink.net> <3EB200E6-2752-461D-A735-9A5C48551E50@phulse.com> Message-ID: <0E72AE0E-658F-4ADC-9872-79C2ED520530@phulse.com> Bryan, I'm really glad to hear that! Let us know how it works out for you and what you experience with developing mobile apps with PhoneGap is like. - Hans On 2012-01-12, at 1:34 PM, Bryan Carbonnell wrote: > Hans-Christian, > > Thanks for putting me on to PhoneGap. I just got approval from my boss to > go ahead with a cross-platform mobile app pilot. > > She was very excited about the proof of concept apps I wrote. > > I get to do development work again. Woo hoo! > > -- > Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com > On Nov 23, 2011 8:12 PM, "Hans-Christian Andersen" > wrote: >> >> Hi Arthur, >> >> If you want a platform agnostic app, might I suggest developing Phonegap. > This will allow you to develop your app like a web application using tools > that may perhaps already be familiar to you (HTML, JavaScript, CSS, etc). > To add to that, you could use a web platform like Sencha Touch (or jquery > mobile, though I believe Sencha touch has better performance and features). >> >> Developing it for Android will not make it platform agnostic and will > significantly reduce your audience (especially a paying audience). >> >> The downside is that there is a limit to what you can do (ie. making 3D > games or photo editing software). >> >> Have a look at Phonegap though. They support quite a range of platforms. > Oh, and they are based in Vancouver as well. >> >> Best regards, >> Hans-Christian Andersen >> >> >> On 23 Nov 2011, at 11:11, Peter Brawley > wrote: >> >>> On 11/23/2011 1:05 PM, Arthur Fuller wrote: >>>> I have an idea for an ever-expanding mobile app, which consists almost >>>> entirely of unrelated tables. My current sketch involves about a dozen >>>> tables, all of them read-only: they will serve as on-the-spot lookups > and >>>> seldom if ever change (and any changes will be made by me, not the >>>> end-user). Think of it as an on-line reference. >>>> >>>> Never having tried to write a mobile app, any suggestions for tools to > use >>>> in tackling this? I would like the app to be platform-agnostic if > possible. >>> Eclipse and its Android Development plugin. >>> >>> PB >>> >>> ----- >>> >>>> >>>> TIA, >>>> Arthur >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> dba-Tech mailing list >>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Gustav at cactus.dk Fri Jan 13 02:06:51 2012 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 09:06:51 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] OpenStack Message-ID: Hi Jim Interesting, but what can we use it for? Who is the audience for this? Institutions and service providers with physical hardware that they'd like to use for large-scale cloud deployments. In addition, companies who have specific requirements which prevent them from running in a public cloud. OpenStack is probably not something that the average business would consider deploying themselves yet. Seems like a tool for the really big boys only. /gustav >>> accessd at shaw.ca 12-01-2012 19:15 >>> Openstack the current largest OpenSource Cloud application (currently supported by Rackspace and NASA) has just received yet another boost with AT&T throwing its considerable financial support behind it and they are planning to add a number of APIs. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/01/10/at_t_open_stack/ "AT&T has promised a LAMP stack for CentOS, Debian, Fedora, Red Hat and Windows Server for AT&T Cloud Architect, with plans to add a "full API framework" letting devs "fully tap" into AT&T's cloud." So what does OpenStack Cloud do and give? According to Openstack: Why OpenStack? Control and Flexibility. Open source platform means you're never locked to a proprietary vendor, and modular design can integrate with legacy or third-party technologies to meet your business needs. Hypervisor support for Microsoft Hyper-V, Citrix XenServer, Xen, KVM, VMWware ESX, LXC, QEMU, and UML. Industry Standard. More than 60 leading companies from over a dozen countries are participating in OpenStack, including Cisco, Citrix, Dell, Intel and Microsoft, and new OpenStack clouds are coming online across the globe. Proven Software. Running the OpenStack cloud operating system means running the same software that today powers some of the largest public and private clouds in the world. Compatible and Connected. Compatibility with public OpenStack clouds means enterprises are prepared for the future, making it easy to migrate data and applications to public clouds when conditions are right, based on security policies, economics, and other key business criteria. You can view the main page via: http://openstack.org So yet another big option for all who are thinking a dabbling or going into full production on the web. Jim From carbonnb at gmail.com Fri Jan 13 07:35:12 2012 From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 08:35:12 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Developing Mobile Apps In-Reply-To: <0E72AE0E-658F-4ADC-9872-79C2ED520530@phulse.com> References: <4ECD455D.7060301@earthlink.net> <3EB200E6-2752-461D-A735-9A5C48551E50@phulse.com> <0E72AE0E-658F-4ADC-9872-79C2ED520530@phulse.com> Message-ID: My early impressions are that for developing HTML5 cross-platfom apps with Phonegap is fairly straight forward. If you can write HTML5 then you can write a fairly sophisticated app. My biggest issues so far is the directory structure and how to keep the files for the different platforms separate. iOS, Android and Blackberry ALL require different directory structures and different versions of the Phonegap files. So wholesale copy/pasting of the html/js/css files doesn't work. If you add in Sencha or JQuery mobile to the mix, then they have different versions as well. Code managing is going to be my biggest headache I think. I also used JQuery Mobile in one Proof of concept app. It felt "heavy" and made the apps loadtime and response slow, or at least feel slow on the actual devices. In the simulators they felt fine. So I tried a second PoC replacing JQM with XUI and my own CSS and that felt better from a speed standpoint. It also seemed to give me more granular control of the look. I'm sure JQM does give me the granularity that I want, but since I'm not really familiar with JQuery Mobile (of JQuery in general) I may not be giving it a fair shake for ease of customability. So on the whole PhoneGap is working great for the apps I need to write, for now :) Bryan On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 6:52 PM, Hans-Christian Andersen wrote: > Bryan, > > I'm really glad to hear that! > > Let us know how it works out for you and what you experience with developing mobile apps with PhoneGap is like. > > - Hans > > > > > On 2012-01-12, at 1:34 PM, Bryan Carbonnell wrote: > >> Hans-Christian, >> >> Thanks for putting me on to PhoneGap. I just got approval from my boss to >> go ahead with a cross-platform mobile app pilot. >> >> She was very excited about the proof of concept apps I wrote. >> >> I get to do development work again. Woo hoo! >> >> -- >> Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com >> On Nov 23, 2011 8:12 PM, "Hans-Christian Andersen" >> wrote: >>> >>> Hi Arthur, >>> >>> If you want a platform agnostic app, might I suggest developing Phonegap. >> This will allow you to develop your app like a web application using tools >> that may perhaps already be familiar to you (HTML, JavaScript, CSS, etc). >> To add to that, you could use a web platform like Sencha Touch (or jquery >> mobile, though I believe Sencha touch has better performance and features). >>> >>> Developing it for Android will not make it platform agnostic and will >> significantly reduce your audience (especially a paying audience). >>> >>> The downside is that there is a limit to what you can do (ie. making 3D >> games or photo editing software). >>> >>> Have a look at Phonegap though. They support quite a range of platforms. >> Oh, and they are based in Vancouver as well. >>> >>> Best regards, >>> Hans-Christian Andersen >>> >>> >>> On 23 Nov 2011, at 11:11, Peter Brawley >> wrote: >>> >>>> On 11/23/2011 1:05 PM, Arthur Fuller wrote: >>>>> I have an idea for an ever-expanding mobile app, which consists almost >>>>> entirely of unrelated tables. My current sketch involves about a dozen >>>>> tables, all of them read-only: they will serve as on-the-spot lookups >> and >>>>> seldom if ever change (and any changes will be made by me, not the >>>>> end-user). Think of it as an on-line reference. >>>>> >>>>> Never having tried to write a mobile app, any suggestions for tools to >> use >>>>> in tackling this? I would like the app to be platform-agnostic if >> possible. >>>> Eclipse and its Android Development plugin. >>>> >>>> PB >>>> >>>> ----- >>>> >>>>> >>>>> TIA, >>>>> Arthur >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> dba-Tech mailing list >>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> dba-Tech mailing list >>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "What a great ride!" From fuller.artful at gmail.com Fri Jan 13 08:56:52 2012 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 09:56:52 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] SSHD boot disk Message-ID: Last night a friend of mine told me about a friend of his, who has put together a computer for use by him and his wife. It's got a pair of 2TB hard disks and more interestingly, a solid state hard disk that he has set up to be the boot disk. From a switched-off machine to the whole OS loaded and ready to go, elapsed time 10 seconds! Not quite "instant-on" but pretty darned close. I don't have any SSHDs but I do have a couple of 16GB memory sticks. Has anyone set up one of those to be the boot disk? And if so, what was the bootup time? -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. -- Werner Heisenberg From df.waters at comcast.net Fri Jan 13 09:15:53 2012 From: df.waters at comcast.net (Dan Waters) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 09:15:53 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] SSHD boot disk In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001d01ccd206$3dfa91d0$b9efb570$@comcast.net> Hi Art, I have a 120 Gb SSD I'm using as a boot disk. Boot up time is 1:06 every time. If I had a new i7-2600K that was overclocked, it could be quite a bit faster. But 10 seconds from off to ready? I wonder how that happens. Dan -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Friday, January 13, 2012 8:57 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] SSHD boot disk Last night a friend of mine told me about a friend of his, who has put together a computer for use by him and his wife. It's got a pair of 2TB hard disks and more interestingly, a solid state hard disk that he has set up to be the boot disk. From a switched-off machine to the whole OS loaded and ready to go, elapsed time 10 seconds! Not quite "instant-on" but pretty darned close. I don't have any SSHDs but I do have a couple of 16GB memory sticks. Has anyone set up one of those to be the boot disk? And if so, what was the bootup time? -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. -- Werner Heisenberg _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Fri Jan 13 09:27:57 2012 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 10:27:57 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] SSHD boot disk In-Reply-To: <001d01ccd206$3dfa91d0$b9efb570$@comcast.net> References: <001d01ccd206$3dfa91d0$b9efb570$@comcast.net> Message-ID: I don't know, but I'll ask. Maybe he's running DOS :) A. On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 10:15 AM, Dan Waters wrote: > Hi Art, > > I have a 120 Gb SSD I'm using as a boot disk. Boot up time is 1:06 every > time. If I had a new i7-2600K that was overclocked, it could be quite a > bit > faster. But 10 seconds from off to ready? I wonder how that happens. > > Dan > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller > Sent: Friday, January 13, 2012 8:57 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: [dba-Tech] SSHD boot disk > > Last night a friend of mine told me about a friend of his, who has put > together a computer for use by him and his wife. It's got a pair of 2TB > hard > disks and more interestingly, a solid state hard disk that he has set up to > be the boot disk. From a switched-off machine to the whole OS loaded and > ready to go, elapsed time 10 seconds! Not quite "instant-on" but pretty > darned close. > > I don't have any SSHDs but I do have a couple of 16GB memory sticks. Has > anyone set up one of those to be the boot disk? And if so, what was the > bootup time? > > -- > Arthur > Cell: 647.710.1314 > > Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. > -- Werner Heisenberg > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Cell: 647.710.1314 Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. -- Werner Heisenberg From jon.tydda at lonza.com Fri Jan 13 09:37:41 2012 From: jon.tydda at lonza.com (Tydda Jon - Slough) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 16:37:41 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] SSHD boot disk In-Reply-To: References: <001d01ccd206$3dfa91d0$b9efb570$@comcast.net> Message-ID: Our Windows 7 laptops (Lenovo t420) with SSDs boot to usable in under 30 seconds when they're not connected to the network... on the network, there's all sorts of login scripts and things to go through, but they're still pretty quick. Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: 13 January 2012 15:28 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] SSHD boot disk I don't know, but I'll ask. Maybe he's running DOS :) A. On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 10:15 AM, Dan Waters wrote: > Hi Art, > > I have a 120 Gb SSD I'm using as a boot disk. Boot up time is 1:06 > every time. If I had a new i7-2600K that was overclocked, it could be > quite a bit faster. But 10 seconds from off to ready? I wonder how > that happens. > > Dan > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur > Fuller > Sent: Friday, January 13, 2012 8:57 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: [dba-Tech] SSHD boot disk > > Last night a friend of mine told me about a friend of his, who has put > together a computer for use by him and his wife. It's got a pair of > 2TB hard disks and more interestingly, a solid state hard disk that he > has set up to be the boot disk. From a switched-off machine to the > whole OS loaded and ready to go, elapsed time 10 seconds! Not quite > "instant-on" but pretty darned close. > > I don't have any SSHDs but I do have a couple of 16GB memory sticks. > Has anyone set up one of those to be the boot disk? And if so, what > was the bootup time? > > -- > Arthur > Cell: 647.710.1314 > > Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. > -- Werner Heisenberg > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Cell: 647.710.1314 Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. -- Werner Heisenberg _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com This communication and its attachments, if any, may contain confidential and privileged information the use of which by other persons or entities than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you receive this transmission in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete the material from your system. From accessd at shaw.ca Fri Jan 13 11:52:20 2012 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 09:52:20 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] OpenStack In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I am not sure who the intended audience is supposed to be but the core project being an OpenSource venture suggests that the finished product will be open to anyone. The following is my translation of this version of the cloud implementation: 1. It is more just a data storage area; similar to very simple cloud offerings...or some kind of customized proprietary database engine. 2. It does more than support web based languages like Ruby, PHP and Perl. 3. It supports major virtualization standards (now opensource) like Hyper-V from Microsoft, Xen/Xen server from Citrix and VMWare ESX from Sun/Oracle. This would imply that entire OSs can be loaded in to these environments and their related applications can then be run. Right now .Net languages, by their nature, have been excluded from Cloud because of their tight dependency on the Windows Desktops and Servers. At this time there is only CLI type interfaces but there is the promise of desktop management GUIs for lazy people, like myself. A lot of this is from speculation as the product is still under full construction but it does promise to be truly ground breaking in scope. Imagine being able to place access to one of your applications, through the internet to any client in the world and having this deployment managed from your home or office with little or no concern as to the client's hardware. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Friday, January 13, 2012 12:07 AM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] OpenStack Hi Jim Interesting, but what can we use it for? Who is the audience for this? Institutions and service providers with physical hardware that they'd like to use for large-scale cloud deployments. In addition, companies who have specific requirements which prevent them from running in a public cloud. OpenStack is probably not something that the average business would consider deploying themselves yet. Seems like a tool for the really big boys only. /gustav >>> accessd at shaw.ca 12-01-2012 19:15 >>> Openstack the current largest OpenSource Cloud application (currently supported by Rackspace and NASA) has just received yet another boost with AT&T throwing its considerable financial support behind it and they are planning to add a number of APIs. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/01/10/at_t_open_stack/ "AT&T has promised a LAMP stack for CentOS, Debian, Fedora, Red Hat and Windows Server for AT&T Cloud Architect, with plans to add a "full API framework" letting devs "fully tap" into AT&T's cloud." So what does OpenStack Cloud do and give? According to Openstack: Why OpenStack? Control and Flexibility. Open source platform means you're never locked to a proprietary vendor, and modular design can integrate with legacy or third-party technologies to meet your business needs. Hypervisor support for Microsoft Hyper-V, Citrix XenServer, Xen, KVM, VMWware ESX, LXC, QEMU, and UML. Industry Standard. More than 60 leading companies from over a dozen countries are participating in OpenStack, including Cisco, Citrix, Dell, Intel and Microsoft, and new OpenStack clouds are coming online across the globe. Proven Software. Running the OpenStack cloud operating system means running the same software that today powers some of the largest public and private clouds in the world. Compatible and Connected. Compatibility with public OpenStack clouds means enterprises are prepared for the future, making it easy to migrate data and applications to public clouds when conditions are right, based on security policies, economics, and other key business criteria. You can view the main page via: http://openstack.org So yet another big option for all who are thinking a dabbling or going into full production on the web. Jim _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Fri Jan 13 12:46:29 2012 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 10:46:29 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Cross-platform .Net In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <52BAFC920CD94F61B7C30FA1A0E598C6@creativesystemdesigns.com> For all you .Net Gurus out there who are building or will be building cross-platform .Net applications, here is a link to an over-view article on the complexities and challenges along with references to some of the tools and methods to resolve issues within these potential massively complex structures. http://bvanderveen.com/a/dot-net-open-source-does-not-beget-open-source/ Jim From accessd at shaw.ca Fri Jan 13 13:04:09 2012 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 11:04:09 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Developing Mobile Apps In-Reply-To: References: <4ECD455D.7060301@earthlink.net> <3EB200E6-2752-461D-A735-9A5C48551E50@phulse.com> <0E72AE0E-658F-4ADC-9872-79C2ED520530@phulse.com> Message-ID: <2E013FF49A564C6192AF51D87E97E500@creativesystemdesigns.com> Hi Bryan: So your recommendation would be to keep away from implementing JQuery reliant apps? Does JQuery have much a larger gallery to work from? Is Sencha a better library? How is the learning curve? I had not heard of the Phonegap designer (http://phonegap.com/)...thanks for the heads up. Is PhoneGap's XUI library very complete? Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bryan Carbonnell Sent: Friday, January 13, 2012 5:35 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Developing Mobile Apps My early impressions are that for developing HTML5 cross-platfom apps with Phonegap is fairly straight forward. If you can write HTML5 then you can write a fairly sophisticated app. My biggest issues so far is the directory structure and how to keep the files for the different platforms separate. iOS, Android and Blackberry ALL require different directory structures and different versions of the Phonegap files. So wholesale copy/pasting of the html/js/css files doesn't work. If you add in Sencha or JQuery mobile to the mix, then they have different versions as well. Code managing is going to be my biggest headache I think. I also used JQuery Mobile in one Proof of concept app. It felt "heavy" and made the apps loadtime and response slow, or at least feel slow on the actual devices. In the simulators they felt fine. So I tried a second PoC replacing JQM with XUI and my own CSS and that felt better from a speed standpoint. It also seemed to give me more granular control of the look. I'm sure JQM does give me the granularity that I want, but since I'm not really familiar with JQuery Mobile (of JQuery in general) I may not be giving it a fair shake for ease of customability. So on the whole PhoneGap is working great for the apps I need to write, for now :) Bryan On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 6:52 PM, Hans-Christian Andersen wrote: > Bryan, > > I'm really glad to hear that! > > Let us know how it works out for you and what you experience with developing mobile apps with PhoneGap is like. > > - Hans > > > > > On 2012-01-12, at 1:34 PM, Bryan Carbonnell wrote: > >> Hans-Christian, >> >> Thanks for putting me on to PhoneGap. I just got approval from my boss to >> go ahead with a cross-platform mobile app pilot. >> >> She was very excited about the proof of concept apps I wrote. >> >> I get to do development work again. Woo hoo! >> >> -- >> Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com >> On Nov 23, 2011 8:12 PM, "Hans-Christian Andersen" >> wrote: >>> >>> Hi Arthur, >>> >>> If you want a platform agnostic app, might I suggest developing Phonegap. >> This will allow you to develop your app like a web application using tools >> that may perhaps already be familiar to you (HTML, JavaScript, CSS, etc). >> To add to that, you could use a web platform like Sencha Touch (or jquery >> mobile, though I believe Sencha touch has better performance and features). >>> >>> Developing it for Android will not make it platform agnostic and will >> significantly reduce your audience (especially a paying audience). >>> >>> The downside is that there is a limit to what you can do (ie. making 3D >> games or photo editing software). >>> >>> Have a look at Phonegap though. They support quite a range of platforms. >> Oh, and they are based in Vancouver as well. >>> >>> Best regards, >>> Hans-Christian Andersen >>> >>> >>> On 23 Nov 2011, at 11:11, Peter Brawley >> wrote: >>> >>>> On 11/23/2011 1:05 PM, Arthur Fuller wrote: >>>>> I have an idea for an ever-expanding mobile app, which consists almost >>>>> entirely of unrelated tables. My current sketch involves about a dozen >>>>> tables, all of them read-only: they will serve as on-the-spot lookups >> and >>>>> seldom if ever change (and any changes will be made by me, not the >>>>> end-user). Think of it as an on-line reference. >>>>> >>>>> Never having tried to write a mobile app, any suggestions for tools to >> use >>>>> in tackling this? I would like the app to be platform-agnostic if >> possible. >>>> Eclipse and its Android Development plugin. >>>> >>>> PB >>>> >>>> ----- >>>> >>>>> >>>>> TIA, >>>>> Arthur >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> dba-Tech mailing list >>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> dba-Tech mailing list >>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "What a great ride!" _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Fri Jan 13 13:19:07 2012 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 11:19:07 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] SSHD boot disk In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3BAA37F0FA3744A0A8C4D6D24B49D12D@creativesystemdesigns.com> Most of the current desktop and all of the laptop machines have SS RAM, on the MB given them "instant" booting but I think it is built in to hardware design and may be difficult to replicate. A new MB might be the cheapest way to go. I have heard of good boards going for less than $100.00 (used...I have been looking at one for about $65) and less than $200 new. (This depends on whether you have to buy a new CPU and RAM of course.) Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Friday, January 13, 2012 6:57 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] SSHD boot disk Last night a friend of mine told me about a friend of his, who has put together a computer for use by him and his wife. It's got a pair of 2TB hard disks and more interestingly, a solid state hard disk that he has set up to be the boot disk. From a switched-off machine to the whole OS loaded and ready to go, elapsed time 10 seconds! Not quite "instant-on" but pretty darned close. I don't have any SSHDs but I do have a couple of 16GB memory sticks. Has anyone set up one of those to be the boot disk? And if so, what was the bootup time? -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. -- Werner Heisenberg _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From carbonnb at gmail.com Fri Jan 13 13:44:28 2012 From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 14:44:28 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Developing Mobile Apps In-Reply-To: <2E013FF49A564C6192AF51D87E97E500@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <4ECD455D.7060301@earthlink.net> <3EB200E6-2752-461D-A735-9A5C48551E50@phulse.com> <0E72AE0E-658F-4ADC-9872-79C2ED520530@phulse.com> <2E013FF49A564C6192AF51D87E97E500@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: So many questions Jim, so few answers.... I am personally staying away from JQM for now, until I get a better understanding of how to optimize my code. Like I said, it just felt heavy to me. No one else that looked at the app noticed or commented on it. The problem I see with JQM is that not only do you need to load the JQM js file (82kb), the JQM css (49kb), you also need the JQ js file (94kb). So in libraries, you are over 200kb before you write a sigle line of HTML or js code. Plus the add the Phonegap libs and a simple single page app is 600 - 800 kb depending on the platform. On the Phonegap lists there are a TON of people using JQM with commercial apps with no problems. So, everything I just said, doesn't appear to be an issue for lots of folks. I've only had a brief look at Sencha, and it has file sizes in the same neighbourhood, so I'd imaging it's the same. The XUI framework is supposed to be a replacement for JQ. I can't say that it is or isn't because I haven't had much exposure to JQ in general. So far it does what I need it to do. So the short answer is I'm not using JQM because the benefit does not outweigh the cost for me at this point. XUI, on the other hand does what I need it to do and the "costs" of using it are acceptable. Like everything else we do, you have to pick the right tool for the job at hand. :) The learning curve was initially very steep for me. The docs for XUI assume a level of knowledge that I really didn't have. I hadn't ever built anything with JQ before so I wasn't really familiar with the structure of how to code for it, I couldn't transfer that knowledge. Once I had that Ah Ha moment (saw a code example that showed me what I was missing) then code just started to make sense (and work LOL) Bryan On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 2:04 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Hi Bryan: > > So your recommendation would be to keep away from implementing JQuery > reliant apps? Does JQuery have much a larger gallery to work from? Is Sencha > a better library? How is the learning curve? > > I had not heard of the Phonegap designer (http://phonegap.com/)...thanks for > the heads up. Is PhoneGap's XUI library very complete? > > Jim > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bryan Carbonnell > Sent: Friday, January 13, 2012 5:35 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Developing Mobile Apps > > My early impressions are that for developing HTML5 cross-platfom apps > with Phonegap is fairly straight forward. If you can write HTML5 then > you can write a fairly sophisticated app. > > My biggest issues so far is the directory structure and how to keep > the files for the different platforms separate. iOS, Android and > Blackberry ALL require different directory structures and different > versions of the Phonegap files. So wholesale copy/pasting of the > html/js/css files doesn't work. If you add in Sencha or JQuery mobile > to the mix, then they have different versions as well. > > Code managing is going to be my biggest headache I think. > > I also used JQuery Mobile in one Proof of concept app. It felt "heavy" > and made the apps loadtime and response slow, or at least feel slow on > the actual devices. In the simulators they felt fine. > > So I tried a second PoC replacing JQM with XUI and my own CSS and that > felt better from a speed standpoint. It also seemed to give me more > granular control of the look. I'm sure JQM does give me the > granularity that I want, but since I'm not really familiar with JQuery > Mobile (of JQuery in general) I may not be giving it a fair shake for > ease of customability. > > So on the whole PhoneGap is working great for the apps I need to > write, for now :) > > Bryan > > On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 6:52 PM, Hans-Christian Andersen > wrote: >> Bryan, >> >> I'm really glad to hear that! >> >> Let us know how it works out for you and what you experience with > developing mobile apps with PhoneGap is like. >> >> - Hans >> >> >> >> >> On 2012-01-12, at 1:34 PM, Bryan Carbonnell wrote: >> >>> Hans-Christian, >>> >>> Thanks for putting me on to PhoneGap. I just got approval from my boss to >>> go ahead with a cross-platform mobile app pilot. >>> >>> She was very excited about the proof of concept apps I wrote. >>> >>> I get to do development work again. Woo hoo! >>> >>> -- >>> Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com >>> On Nov 23, 2011 8:12 PM, "Hans-Christian Andersen" > >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi Arthur, >>>> >>>> If you want a platform agnostic app, might I suggest developing > Phonegap. >>> This will allow you to develop your app like a web application using > tools >>> that may perhaps already be familiar to you (HTML, JavaScript, CSS, etc). >>> To add to that, you could use a web platform like Sencha Touch (or jquery >>> mobile, though I believe Sencha touch has better performance and > features). >>>> >>>> Developing it for Android will not make it platform agnostic and will >>> significantly reduce your audience (especially a paying audience). >>>> >>>> The downside is that there is a limit to what you can do (ie. making 3D >>> games or photo editing software). >>>> >>>> Have a look at Phonegap though. They support quite a range of platforms. >>> Oh, and they are based in Vancouver as well. >>>> >>>> Best regards, >>>> Hans-Christian Andersen >>>> >>>> >>>> On 23 Nov 2011, at 11:11, Peter Brawley >>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On 11/23/2011 1:05 PM, Arthur Fuller wrote: >>>>>> I have an idea for an ever-expanding mobile app, which consists almost >>>>>> entirely of unrelated tables. My current sketch involves about a dozen >>>>>> tables, all of them read-only: they will serve as on-the-spot lookups >>> and >>>>>> seldom if ever change (and any changes will be made by me, not the >>>>>> end-user). Think of it as an on-line reference. >>>>>> >>>>>> Never having tried to write a mobile app, any suggestions for tools to >>> use >>>>>> in tackling this? I would like the app to be platform-agnostic if >>> possible. >>>>> Eclipse and its Android Development plugin. >>>>> >>>>> PB >>>>> >>>>> ----- >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> TIA, >>>>>> Arthur >>>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> dba-Tech mailing list >>>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> dba-Tech mailing list >>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> dba-Tech mailing list >>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > -- > Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com > Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well > preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, > shouting "What a great ride!" > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "What a great ride!" From accessd at shaw.ca Tue Jan 17 22:32:06 2012 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 20:32:06 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] A new laptop In-Reply-To: References: <4ECD455D.7060301@earthlink.net> <3EB200E6-2752-461D-A735-9A5C48551E50@phulse.com> <0E72AE0E-658F-4ADC-9872-79C2ED520530@phulse.com> <2E013FF49A564C6192AF51D87E97E500@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: I was looking at a new laptop and this one is impressive. It is probably the most powerful laptop available and it is priced quite reasonability. It was priced less than $1000 around Christmas but it has climbed in value since the latest model has been introduced. I apologies if there is any errors in my memory of the stats but they are pretty close. The unit is the new Asus laptop. It comes with 12GB of RAM (up to 16GB), 750GB Hard drive and a slot for an extra 750 is required. It has 6 cores and use the new Intel 7i CPU. If you are not completely impressed it has additional 3GB of RAM for the video card and it gives a full high definition video. It sports a special battery system which will allows the computer to run at maximum performance for 2 to 3 hours without a wall connection and at 8 to 9 hours with regular use. To keep everything cool it has special cooling configuration so it should never overheat. There is just about every port type available. It can easily run your home flat screen whether by direct cabling or Wi-Fi. Note the Wi-Fi/NIC supports 10/100/1000. It has one of the best mini-camera available, excellent built-in microphones and speaker system. Other features are an instant on. When you turn it off/ close the screen it saves the current setting and comes up in what ever state the system was last at...instantly. It has a full warranty against any mishap like droppage or even dumping a coffee on keyboard etc... one full year if purchased cash and two full years if purchase via most major credit cards. In the computer store, where this was being sold (PCs, Macs and laptops, desktops and servers), it was the most powerful unit available and that includes computers at twice the price. No sissy pink, turquoise or white colours for this baby just black or brushed steel. Of course, this unit isn't for everyone. It can be used by serious gamers of course but it is much more... serious programmers, system developer, graphic specialists and animators will undoubtedly find this new offering irresistible. For a travelling systems person it is a dream come true... a full network office away from home. :-) Jim PS No I do not have one but I can dream. From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Tue Jan 17 23:52:09 2012 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (rockysmolin at bchacc.com) Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 22:52:09 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] A new laptop Message-ID: <20120117225209.86c3debdd1c3983866efe200e2feb95f.729143cdcd.wbe@email18.secureserver.net> weight? Screen size? dimensions? R -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [dba-Tech] A new laptop From: "Jim Lawrence" Date: Tue, January 17, 2012 9:32 pm To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" I was looking at a new laptop and this one is impressive. It is probably the most powerful laptop available and it is priced quite reasonability. It was priced less than $1000 around Christmas but it has climbed in value since the latest model has been introduced. I apologies if there is any errors in my memory of the stats but they are pretty close. The unit is the new Asus laptop. It comes with 12GB of RAM (up to 16GB), 750GB Hard drive and a slot for an extra 750 is required. It has 6 cores and use the new Intel 7i CPU. If you are not completely impressed it has additional 3GB of RAM for the video card and it gives a full high definition video. It sports a special battery system which will allows the computer to run at maximum performance for 2 to 3 hours without a wall connection and at 8 to 9 hours with regular use. To keep everything cool it has special cooling configuration so it should never overheat. There is just about every port type available. It can easily run your home flat screen whether by direct cabling or Wi-Fi. Note the Wi-Fi/NIC supports 10/100/1000. It has one of the best mini-camera available, excellent built-in microphones and speaker system. Other features are an instant on. When you turn it off/ close the screen it saves the current setting and comes up in what ever state the system was last at...instantly. It has a full warranty against any mishap like droppage or even dumping a coffee on keyboard etc... one full year if purchased cash and two full years if purchase via most major credit cards. In the computer store, where this was being sold (PCs, Macs and laptops, desktops and servers), it was the most powerful unit available and that includes computers at twice the price. No sissy pink, turquoise or white colours for this baby just black or brushed steel. Of course, this unit isn't for everyone. It can be used by serious gamers of course but it is much more... serious programmers, system developer, graphic specialists and animators will undoubtedly find this new offering irresistible. For a travelling systems person it is a dream come true... a full network office away from home. :-) Jim PS No I do not have one but I can dream. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk Wed Jan 18 02:38:14 2012 From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid) Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 08:38:14 +0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] A new laptop In-Reply-To: <20120117225209.86c3debdd1c3983866efe200e2feb95f.729143cdcd.wbe@email18.secureserver.net> References: <20120117225209.86c3debdd1c3983866efe200e2feb95f.729143cdcd.wbe@email18.secureserver.net> Message-ID: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB082957BB2EB9AA6@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk> This it http://www.asuslaptop.co.uk/proddetail.php?prod=G74SX-91131Z-16GB ?1653 UK Serious money Martin -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of rockysmolin at bchacc.com Sent: 18 January 2012 05:52 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] A new laptop weight? Screen size? dimensions? R -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [dba-Tech] A new laptop From: "Jim Lawrence" Date: Tue, January 17, 2012 9:32 pm To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" I was looking at a new laptop and this one is impressive. It is probably the most powerful laptop available and it is priced quite reasonability. It was priced less than $1000 around Christmas but it has climbed in value since the latest model has been introduced. I apologies if there is any errors in my memory of the stats but they are pretty close. The unit is the new Asus laptop. It comes with 12GB of RAM (up to 16GB), 750GB Hard drive and a slot for an extra 750 is required. It has 6 cores and use the new Intel 7i CPU. If you are not completely impressed it has additional 3GB of RAM for the video card and it gives a full high definition video. It sports a special battery system which will allows the computer to run at maximum performance for 2 to 3 hours without a wall connection and at 8 to 9 hours with regular use. To keep everything cool it has special cooling configuration so it should never overheat. There is just about every port type available. It can easily run your home flat screen whether by direct cabling or Wi-Fi. Note the Wi-Fi/NIC supports 10/100/1000. It has one of the best mini-camera available, excellent built-in microphones and speaker system. Other features are an instant on. When you turn it off/ close the screen it saves the current setting and comes up in what ever state the system was last at...instantly. It has a full warranty against any mishap like droppage or even dumping a coffee on keyboard etc... one full year if purchased cash and two full years if purchase via most major credit cards. In the computer store, where this was being sold (PCs, Macs and laptops, desktops and servers), it was the most powerful unit available and that includes computers at twice the price. No sissy pink, turquoise or white colours for this baby just black or brushed steel. Of course, this unit isn't for everyone. It can be used by serious gamers of course but it is much more... serious programmers, system developer, graphic specialists and animators will undoubtedly find this new offering irresistible. For a travelling systems person it is a dream come true... a full network office away from home. :-) Jim From fuller.artful at gmail.com Wed Jan 18 06:55:14 2012 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 07:55:14 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] CyberWar Message-ID: This is from slashdot: "The NY Times describes what may be the beginning of an actual cyberwar between a pro-Palestinian group and Israeli companies, specifically El Al and the Tel Aviv stock exchange. From the article: 'A hacker identifying himself as oxOmar, already notorious for posting the details of more than 20,000 Israeli credit cards, sent an overnight warning to Israel's Ynet news outlet that a group of pro-Palestinian cyberattackers called Nightmare planned to bring down the sites in the morning.' Though the article is skimpy on technical details, the group appears to have engaged merely in a DDOS attack. Hamas praised the attack as opening 'a new resistance front against Israel.' Is this the first acknowledged cyberwar?" Lots of S-F writers have been predicting the union of politicos and hackers. Looks like the future is Now. -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. -- Niels Bohr From joeo at appoli.com Wed Jan 18 08:09:27 2012 From: joeo at appoli.com (Joe O'Connell) Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 09:09:27 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] A new laptop In-Reply-To: References: <4ECD455D.7060301@earthlink.net><3EB200E6-2752-461D-A735-9A5C48551E50@phulse.com><0E72AE0E-658F-4ADC-9872-79C2ED520530@phulse.com><2E013FF49A564C6192AF51D87E97E500@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <1CF20DB644BE124083B31638E5D5C023C98923@exch2.Onappsad.net> Jim, Last summer my laptop was on its last legs, so I started shopping for a new one. At the time I did not know anything about Asus, but I saw an advertisement from Fry's for a laptop with the configuration you listed (but without the camera) for a good price. I started investigating and could not find anything negative, so I bought it. I have been extremely pleased with its performance. It came with Windows 7 Home, which I upgraded to Professional. I loaded my development environment -- Office, Visual Studio, SQL Server, Microsoft Expression, Silverlight and Sharepoint. I installed Virtual PC and created a Windows XP VM for running older versions of software. All of my computers are backed up using Carbonite, so I changed the subscription to the Asus and within a day all of my folders and files were restored to the new laptop. So far I have not encountered any problems, and it runs much faster, cooler, quieter and more reliably than my old Gateway. The one thing that I did not learn until I brought it home is that the power adapter weighs about as much as the computer. If you travel a lot with your laptop, this could be a consideration. Joe O'Connell -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 11:32 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] A new laptop I was looking at a new laptop and this one is impressive. It is probably the most powerful laptop available and it is priced quite reasonability. It was priced less than $1000 around Christmas but it has climbed in value since the latest model has been introduced. I apologies if there is any errors in my memory of the stats but they are pretty close. The unit is the new Asus laptop. It comes with 12GB of RAM (up to 16GB), 750GB Hard drive and a slot for an extra 750 is required. It has 6 cores and use the new Intel 7i CPU. If you are not completely impressed it has additional 3GB of RAM for the video card and it gives a full high definition video. It sports a special battery system which will allows the computer to run at maximum performance for 2 to 3 hours without a wall connection and at 8 to 9 hours with regular use. To keep everything cool it has special cooling configuration so it should never overheat. There is just about every port type available. It can easily run your home flat screen whether by direct cabling or Wi-Fi. Note the Wi-Fi/NIC supports 10/100/1000. It has one of the best mini-camera available, excellent built-in microphones and speaker system. Other features are an instant on. When you turn it off/ close the screen it saves the current setting and comes up in what ever state the system was last at...instantly. It has a full warranty against any mishap like droppage or even dumping a coffee on keyboard etc... one full year if purchased cash and two full years if purchase via most major credit cards. In the computer store, where this was being sold (PCs, Macs and laptops, desktops and servers), it was the most powerful unit available and that includes computers at twice the price. No sissy pink, turquoise or white colours for this baby just black or brushed steel. Of course, this unit isn't for everyone. It can be used by serious gamers of course but it is much more... serious programmers, system developer, graphic specialists and animators will undoubtedly find this new offering irresistible. For a travelling systems person it is a dream come true... a full network office away from home. :-) Jim PS No I do not have one but I can dream. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Wed Jan 18 09:06:18 2012 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 07:06:18 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] A new laptop In-Reply-To: <20120117225209.86c3debdd1c3983866efe200e2feb95f.729143cdcd.wbe@email18.secureserver.net> References: <20120117225209.86c3debdd1c3983866efe200e2feb95f.729143cdcd.wbe@email18.secureserver.net> Message-ID: <5D69D35F2DB244E8AB762FC5BEBE0F8E@creativesystemdesigns.com> I think Martin has posted the specs though the pricing is different a quick scan of the posted model has the second drive added and the Ultimate Windows version so that would have contributed to the cost. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of rockysmolin at bchacc.com Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 9:52 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] A new laptop weight? Screen size? dimensions? R -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [dba-Tech] A new laptop From: "Jim Lawrence" Date: Tue, January 17, 2012 9:32 pm To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" I was looking at a new laptop and this one is impressive. It is probably the most powerful laptop available and it is priced quite reasonability. It was priced less than $1000 around Christmas but it has climbed in value since the latest model has been introduced. I apologies if there is any errors in my memory of the stats but they are pretty close. The unit is the new Asus laptop. It comes with 12GB of RAM (up to 16GB), 750GB Hard drive and a slot for an extra 750 is required. It has 6 cores and use the new Intel 7i CPU. If you are not completely impressed it has additional 3GB of RAM for the video card and it gives a full high definition video. It sports a special battery system which will allows the computer to run at maximum performance for 2 to 3 hours without a wall connection and at 8 to 9 hours with regular use. To keep everything cool it has special cooling configuration so it should never overheat. There is just about every port type available. It can easily run your home flat screen whether by direct cabling or Wi-Fi. Note the Wi-Fi/NIC supports 10/100/1000. It has one of the best mini-camera available, excellent built-in microphones and speaker system. Other features are an instant on. When you turn it off/ close the screen it saves the current setting and comes up in what ever state the system was last at...instantly. It has a full warranty against any mishap like droppage or even dumping a coffee on keyboard etc... one full year if purchased cash and two full years if purchase via most major credit cards. In the computer store, where this was being sold (PCs, Macs and laptops, desktops and servers), it was the most powerful unit available and that includes computers at twice the price. No sissy pink, turquoise or white colours for this baby just black or brushed steel. Of course, this unit isn't for everyone. It can be used by serious gamers of course but it is much more... serious programmers, system developer, graphic specialists and animators will undoubtedly find this new offering irresistible. For a travelling systems person it is a dream come true... a full network office away from home. :-) Jim PS No I do not have one but I can dream. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Wed Jan 18 09:10:01 2012 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 07:10:01 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] A new laptop In-Reply-To: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB082957BB2EB9AA6@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk> References: <20120117225209.86c3debdd1c3983866efe200e2feb95f.729143cdcd.wbe@email18.secureserver.net> <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB082957BB2EB9AA6@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk> Message-ID: <7B4DE372B4C94361B5BFD8625587EC33@creativesystemdesigns.com> That is it minus the Windows update and the second drive installed... Here it was less than 1K. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Martin Reid Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 12:38 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] A new laptop This it http://www.asuslaptop.co.uk/proddetail.php?prod=G74SX-91131Z-16GB ?1653 UK Serious money Martin -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of rockysmolin at bchacc.com Sent: 18 January 2012 05:52 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] A new laptop weight? Screen size? dimensions? R -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [dba-Tech] A new laptop From: "Jim Lawrence" Date: Tue, January 17, 2012 9:32 pm To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" I was looking at a new laptop and this one is impressive. It is probably the most powerful laptop available and it is priced quite reasonability. It was priced less than $1000 around Christmas but it has climbed in value since the latest model has been introduced. I apologies if there is any errors in my memory of the stats but they are pretty close. The unit is the new Asus laptop. It comes with 12GB of RAM (up to 16GB), 750GB Hard drive and a slot for an extra 750 is required. It has 6 cores and use the new Intel 7i CPU. If you are not completely impressed it has additional 3GB of RAM for the video card and it gives a full high definition video. It sports a special battery system which will allows the computer to run at maximum performance for 2 to 3 hours without a wall connection and at 8 to 9 hours with regular use. To keep everything cool it has special cooling configuration so it should never overheat. There is just about every port type available. It can easily run your home flat screen whether by direct cabling or Wi-Fi. Note the Wi-Fi/NIC supports 10/100/1000. It has one of the best mini-camera available, excellent built-in microphones and speaker system. Other features are an instant on. When you turn it off/ close the screen it saves the current setting and comes up in what ever state the system was last at...instantly. It has a full warranty against any mishap like droppage or even dumping a coffee on keyboard etc... one full year if purchased cash and two full years if purchase via most major credit cards. In the computer store, where this was being sold (PCs, Macs and laptops, desktops and servers), it was the most powerful unit available and that includes computers at twice the price. No sissy pink, turquoise or white colours for this baby just black or brushed steel. Of course, this unit isn't for everyone. It can be used by serious gamers of course but it is much more... serious programmers, system developer, graphic specialists and animators will undoubtedly find this new offering irresistible. For a travelling systems person it is a dream come true... a full network office away from home. :-) Jim _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Wed Jan 18 09:18:25 2012 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 07:18:25 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] A new laptop In-Reply-To: <1CF20DB644BE124083B31638E5D5C023C98923@exch2.Onappsad.net> References: <4ECD455D.7060301@earthlink.net> <3EB200E6-2752-461D-A735-9A5C48551E50@phulse.com> <0E72AE0E-658F-4ADC-9872-79C2ED520530@phulse.com> <2E013FF49A564C6192AF51D87E97E500@creativesystemdesigns.com> <1CF20DB644BE124083B31638E5D5C023C98923@exch2.Onappsad.net> Message-ID: <5916B88B4965489C857544232573A943@creativesystemdesigns.com> I think you have it, Joe. You are obviously pleased with the unit...good to note. I had not thought about the power supply but given the laptops configuration that does make sense...but I do hope you were exaggerating a bit. ;-) Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Joe O'Connell Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 6:09 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] A new laptop Jim, Last summer my laptop was on its last legs, so I started shopping for a new one. At the time I did not know anything about Asus, but I saw an advertisement from Fry's for a laptop with the configuration you listed (but without the camera) for a good price. I started investigating and could not find anything negative, so I bought it. I have been extremely pleased with its performance. It came with Windows 7 Home, which I upgraded to Professional. I loaded my development environment -- Office, Visual Studio, SQL Server, Microsoft Expression, Silverlight and Sharepoint. I installed Virtual PC and created a Windows XP VM for running older versions of software. All of my computers are backed up using Carbonite, so I changed the subscription to the Asus and within a day all of my folders and files were restored to the new laptop. So far I have not encountered any problems, and it runs much faster, cooler, quieter and more reliably than my old Gateway. The one thing that I did not learn until I brought it home is that the power adapter weighs about as much as the computer. If you travel a lot with your laptop, this could be a consideration. Joe O'Connell -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 11:32 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] A new laptop I was looking at a new laptop and this one is impressive. It is probably the most powerful laptop available and it is priced quite reasonability. It was priced less than $1000 around Christmas but it has climbed in value since the latest model has been introduced. I apologies if there is any errors in my memory of the stats but they are pretty close. The unit is the new Asus laptop. It comes with 12GB of RAM (up to 16GB), 750GB Hard drive and a slot for an extra 750 is required. It has 6 cores and use the new Intel 7i CPU. If you are not completely impressed it has additional 3GB of RAM for the video card and it gives a full high definition video. It sports a special battery system which will allows the computer to run at maximum performance for 2 to 3 hours without a wall connection and at 8 to 9 hours with regular use. To keep everything cool it has special cooling configuration so it should never overheat. There is just about every port type available. It can easily run your home flat screen whether by direct cabling or Wi-Fi. Note the Wi-Fi/NIC supports 10/100/1000. It has one of the best mini-camera available, excellent built-in microphones and speaker system. Other features are an instant on. When you turn it off/ close the screen it saves the current setting and comes up in what ever state the system was last at...instantly. It has a full warranty against any mishap like droppage or even dumping a coffee on keyboard etc... one full year if purchased cash and two full years if purchase via most major credit cards. In the computer store, where this was being sold (PCs, Macs and laptops, desktops and servers), it was the most powerful unit available and that includes computers at twice the price. No sissy pink, turquoise or white colours for this baby just black or brushed steel. Of course, this unit isn't for everyone. It can be used by serious gamers of course but it is much more... serious programmers, system developer, graphic specialists and animators will undoubtedly find this new offering irresistible. For a travelling systems person it is a dream come true... a full network office away from home. :-) Jim PS No I do not have one but I can dream. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From erbachs at gmail.com Wed Jan 18 10:51:22 2012 From: erbachs at gmail.com (Steve Erbach) Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 10:51:22 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] VPN on a virtual Windows 2008 server...and Remote Desktop Message-ID: Dear Group, I've been working with a client who wants to offer his software package (which I wrote in Access 2003) to clients via Remote Desktop connections to a GoDaddy.com virtual Windows Server. I've got Remote Desktop working just fine to allow users to log into the virtual server (2 GB RAM, 30 GB hard disk) and run the Access application...but Windows Server 2008 only has two built-in Remote Desktop licenses for simultaneous use. My client thinks we'll need more. He and I were on a conference call with a support guy from GoDaddy.com yesterday. I asked him about setting up a VPN on the virtual server and he said that that wasn't possible. However, he didn't know that Windows Server 2008 had TWO Remote Desktop access licenses built-in. He was also surprised when I told him that I can log into the server with two separate Remote Desktop sessions. That didn't make me confident that his pronouncement about VPN on a virtual server was accurate. So I'd like to ask you folks: can a VPN be set up on a VIRTUAL Windows Server 2008 installation? I've read through some threads here that mention Hamachi VPN. Not that I want to learn yet another software package to be responsible for, but it seems that that has some boosters here. Also (subsidiary question) has anyone here ever purchased additional Remote Desktop licenses from Microsoft? Thanks in advance! Regards, Steve Erbach Neenah, WI From Gustav at cactus.dk Wed Jan 18 11:25:18 2012 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 18:25:18 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] VPN on a virtual Windows 2008 server...and Remote Desktop Message-ID: Hi Steve To follow the Microsoft route, you need Terminal Service to be installed on the server and licenses for this for the users. If do this, do double check the licensing methods or you may waste a lot of time getting this straight. There is a hack (google around) for Windows XP which allows more than two RDP connections at one time but that's probably not a good idea in this case. Small Business Server is routinely set up to use VPN for RDP connections, and it works great. There's no reason why it shouldn't work for virtual servers as well if just the network connection of these are bridged to the physical network as is normally the case. You could also skip Terminal Services and use third-party software like WinConnect Server XP: http://www.thinsoftinc.com/product_thin_client_winconnect_server_xp.aspx Be aware that the license of this will be locked to the (first) server you install this on, or you will need a call and a good explanation to the support line. /gustav >>> erbachs at gmail.com 18-01-2012 17:51 >>> Dear Group, I've been working with a client who wants to offer his software package (which I wrote in Access 2003) to clients via Remote Desktop connections to a GoDaddy.com virtual Windows Server. I've got Remote Desktop working just fine to allow users to log into the virtual server (2 GB RAM, 30 GB hard disk) and run the Access application...but Windows Server 2008 only has two built-in Remote Desktop licenses for simultaneous use. My client thinks we'll need more. He and I were on a conference call with a support guy from GoDaddy.com yesterday. I asked him about setting up a VPN on the virtual server and he said that that wasn't possible. However, he didn't know that Windows Server 2008 had TWO Remote Desktop access licenses built-in. He was also surprised when I told him that I can log into the server with two separate Remote Desktop sessions. That didn't make me confident that his pronouncement about VPN on a virtual server was accurate. So I'd like to ask you folks: can a VPN be set up on a VIRTUAL Windows Server 2008 installation? I've read through some threads here that mention Hamachi VPN. Not that I want to learn yet another software package to be responsible for, but it seems that that has some boosters here. Also (subsidiary question) has anyone here ever purchased additional Remote Desktop licenses from Microsoft? Thanks in advance! Regards, Steve Erbach Neenah, WI From erbachs at gmail.com Wed Jan 18 11:32:17 2012 From: erbachs at gmail.com (Steve Erbach) Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 11:32:17 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] VPN on a virtual Windows 2008 server...and Remote Desktop In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Gustav, Thanks for the reply. I see from the GoDaddy documents (which I just saw) that were given to my client when he signed up for the virtual server (at my recommendation...it was cheap!) that "Due to the nature of virtualization software, some system functionality is not available to the administrator of a virtual dedicated Windows hosting server. The following are known to not function in this environment: RAS (Remote Access Services) including VPN." What is NOT clear is if this applies only to the Microsoft RAS. I'm a bit leery of having to be responsible for some other VPN software, but I'll do my best to learn it to enable my client to do what he wants to do. Hamachi seems to have been mentioned fairly often when the topic comes up here. One thing that isn't clear (among many) is this: If Hamachi VPN is installed on a server, does the server still have to have multiple Microsoft Remote Desktop licenses to be able to have, say, six people dial in remotely into the Hamachi VPN? This is a thorny problem. My client has set up a business plan that relies on Remote Desktop access to the virtual server to allow customers to do data entry and print reports from the software product he's marketing. I'm beginning to feel like a fool for recommending the virtual server route for this purpose. Thanks, Gustav, for your input. Regards, Steve Erbach Neenah, WI On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 11:25 AM, Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi Steve > > To follow the Microsoft route, you need Terminal Service to be installed > on the server and licenses for this for the users. If do this, do double > check the licensing methods or you may waste a lot of time getting this > straight. > > There is a hack (google around) for Windows XP which allows more than two > RDP connections at one time but that's probably not a good idea in this > case. > > Small Business Server is routinely set up to use VPN for RDP connections, > and it works great. There's no reason why it shouldn't work for virtual > servers as well if just the network connection of these are bridged to the > physical network as is normally the case. > > You could also skip Terminal Services and use third-party software like > WinConnect Server XP: > > http://www.thinsoftinc.com/product_thin_client_winconnect_server_xp.aspx > > Be aware that the license of this will be locked to the (first) server you > install this on, or you will need a call and a good explanation to the > support line. > > /gustav > > > >>> erbachs at gmail.com 18-01-2012 17:51 >>> > Dear Group, > > I've been working with a client who wants to offer his software package > (which I wrote in Access 2003) to clients via Remote Desktop connections to > a GoDaddy.com virtual Windows Server. I've got Remote Desktop working just > fine to allow users to log into the virtual server (2 GB RAM, 30 GB hard > disk) and run the Access application...but Windows Server 2008 only has two > built-in Remote Desktop licenses for simultaneous use. My client thinks > we'll need more. > > He and I were on a conference call with a support guy from GoDaddy.com > yesterday. I asked him about setting up a VPN on the virtual server and he > said that that wasn't possible. However, he didn't know that Windows Server > 2008 had TWO Remote Desktop access licenses built-in. He was also surprised > when I told him that I can log into the server with two separate Remote > Desktop sessions. That didn't make me confident that his pronouncement > about VPN on a virtual server was accurate. > > So I'd like to ask you folks: can a VPN be set up on a VIRTUAL Windows > Server 2008 installation? I've read through some threads here that mention > Hamachi VPN. Not that I want to learn yet another software package to be > responsible for, but it seems that that has some boosters here. > > Also (subsidiary question) has anyone here ever purchased additional Remote > Desktop licenses from Microsoft? Thanks in advance! > > Regards, > > Steve Erbach > Neenah, WI > > > From Gustav at cactus.dk Wed Jan 18 11:56:53 2012 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 18:56:53 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] VPN on a virtual Windows 2008 server...and Remote Desktop Message-ID: Hi Steve OK, I misunderstood a little. A "virtual hosted server" is not the same as a normal "virtual server" like VMware Server which for nearly any practical use can be referred to as a physical server. It's like Windows Azure where you get something "similar" to a normal server; some features are left out or limited, in your case VPN of Microsoft Server. I'm not familiar with Hamagochi or similar but it should be easy to get an answer to your precise question if their VPN "server" application can be installed on a hosted virtual server. The count of Microsoft RDP connection licenses is not related to VPN or not. /gustav >>> erbachs at gmail.com 18-01-2012 18:32 >>> Gustav, Thanks for the reply. I see from the GoDaddy documents (which I just saw) that were given to my client when he signed up for the virtual server (at my recommendation...it was cheap!) that "Due to the nature of virtualization software, some system functionality is not available to the administrator of a virtual dedicated Windows hosting server. The following are known to not function in this environment: RAS (Remote Access Services) including VPN." What is NOT clear is if this applies only to the Microsoft RAS. I'm a bit leery of having to be responsible for some other VPN software, but I'll do my best to learn it to enable my client to do what he wants to do. Hamachi seems to have been mentioned fairly often when the topic comes up here. One thing that isn't clear (among many) is this: If Hamachi VPN is installed on a server, does the server still have to have multiple Microsoft Remote Desktop licenses to be able to have, say, six people dial in remotely into the Hamachi VPN? This is a thorny problem. My client has set up a business plan that relies on Remote Desktop access to the virtual server to allow customers to do data entry and print reports from the software product he's marketing. I'm beginning to feel like a fool for recommending the virtual server route for this purpose. Thanks, Gustav, for your input. Regards, Steve Erbach Neenah, WI On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 11:25 AM, Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi Steve > > To follow the Microsoft route, you need Terminal Service to be installed > on the server and licenses for this for the users. If do this, do double > check the licensing methods or you may waste a lot of time getting this > straight. > > There is a hack (google around) for Windows XP which allows more than two > RDP connections at one time but that's probably not a good idea in this > case. > > Small Business Server is routinely set up to use VPN for RDP connections, > and it works great. There's no reason why it shouldn't work for virtual > servers as well if just the network connection of these are bridged to the > physical network as is normally the case. > > You could also skip Terminal Services and use third-party software like > WinConnect Server XP: > > http://www.thinsoftinc.com/product_thin_client_winconnect_server_xp.aspx > > Be aware that the license of this will be locked to the (first) server you > install this on, or you will need a call and a good explanation to the > support line. > > /gustav > > > >>> erbachs at gmail.com 18-01-2012 17:51 >>> > Dear Group, > > I've been working with a client who wants to offer his software package > (which I wrote in Access 2003) to clients via Remote Desktop connections to > a GoDaddy.com virtual Windows Server. I've got Remote Desktop working just > fine to allow users to log into the virtual server (2 GB RAM, 30 GB hard > disk) and run the Access application...but Windows Server 2008 only has two > built-in Remote Desktop licenses for simultaneous use. My client thinks > we'll need more. > > He and I were on a conference call with a support guy from GoDaddy.com > yesterday. I asked him about setting up a VPN on the virtual server and he > said that that wasn't possible. However, he didn't know that Windows Server > 2008 had TWO Remote Desktop access licenses built-in. He was also surprised > when I told him that I can log into the server with two separate Remote > Desktop sessions. That didn't make me confident that his pronouncement > about VPN on a virtual server was accurate. > > So I'd like to ask you folks: can a VPN be set up on a VIRTUAL Windows > Server 2008 installation? I've read through some threads here that mention > Hamachi VPN. Not that I want to learn yet another software package to be > responsible for, but it seems that that has some boosters here. > > Also (subsidiary question) has anyone here ever purchased additional Remote > Desktop licenses from Microsoft? Thanks in advance! > > Regards, > > Steve Erbach > Neenah, WI From erbachs at gmail.com Wed Jan 18 12:01:00 2012 From: erbachs at gmail.com (Steve Erbach) Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 12:01:00 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] VPN on a virtual Windows 2008 server...and Remote Desktop In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Gustav, And I didn't explain adquately. Sorry. GoDaddy offers "virtual dedicated servers" at a very favorable monthly rate. What we're running into is reluctance on the part of IT folks to allow Remote Desktop connections to that virtual server. They don't like opening ports. Regarding Microsoft Azure, I've heard of it but have no idea what it is...but it sounds like that's what GoDaddy uses to put limits on their virtual dedicated servers. That could be an unfortunate game changer. I'll see about contacting the Hamachi folks. Thank you, Steve Erbach Neenah, WI On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 11:56 AM, Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi Steve > > OK, I misunderstood a little. A "virtual hosted server" is not the same as > a normal "virtual server" like VMware Server which for nearly any practical > use can be referred to as a physical server. It's like Windows Azure where > you get something "similar" to a normal server; some features are left out > or limited, in your case VPN of Microsoft Server. > > I'm not familiar with Hamagochi or similar but it should be easy to get an > answer to your precise question if their VPN "server" application can be > installed on a hosted virtual server. > > The count of Microsoft RDP connection licenses is not related to VPN or > not. > > /gustav > > > >>> erbachs at gmail.com 18-01-2012 18:32 >>> > Gustav, > > Thanks for the reply. I see from the GoDaddy documents (which I just saw) > that were given to my client when he signed up for the virtual server (at > my recommendation...it was cheap!) that > > "Due to the nature of virtualization software, some system functionality is > not available to the administrator of a virtual dedicated Windows hosting > server. The following are known to not function in this environment: RAS > (Remote Access Services) including VPN." > > > What is NOT clear is if this applies only to the Microsoft RAS. I'm a bit > leery of having to be responsible for some other VPN software, but I'll do > my best to learn it to enable my client to do what he wants to do. Hamachi > seems to have been mentioned fairly often when the topic comes up here. > > One thing that isn't clear (among many) is this: If Hamachi VPN is > installed on a server, does the server still have to have multiple > Microsoft Remote Desktop licenses to be able to have, say, six people dial > in remotely into the Hamachi VPN? > > This is a thorny problem. My client has set up a business plan that relies > on Remote Desktop access to the virtual server to allow customers to do > data entry and print reports from the software product he's marketing. I'm > beginning to feel like a fool for recommending the virtual server route for > this purpose. > > Thanks, Gustav, for your input. > > Regards, > > Steve Erbach > Neenah, WI > > On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 11:25 AM, Gustav Brock wrote: > > > Hi Steve > > > > To follow the Microsoft route, you need Terminal Service to be installed > > on the server and licenses for this for the users. If do this, do double > > check the licensing methods or you may waste a lot of time getting this > > straight. > > > > There is a hack (google around) for Windows XP which allows more than two > > RDP connections at one time but that's probably not a good idea in this > > case. > > > > Small Business Server is routinely set up to use VPN for RDP connections, > > and it works great. There's no reason why it shouldn't work for virtual > > servers as well if just the network connection of these are bridged to > the > > physical network as is normally the case. > > > > You could also skip Terminal Services and use third-party software like > > WinConnect Server XP: > > > > http://www.thinsoftinc.com/product_thin_client_winconnect_server_xp.aspx > > > > Be aware that the license of this will be locked to the (first) server > you > > install this on, or you will need a call and a good explanation to the > > support line. > > > > /gustav > > > > > > >>> erbachs at gmail.com 18-01-2012 17:51 >>> > > Dear Group, > > > > I've been working with a client who wants to offer his software package > > (which I wrote in Access 2003) to clients via Remote Desktop connections > to > > a GoDaddy.com virtual Windows Server. I've got Remote Desktop working > just > > fine to allow users to log into the virtual server (2 GB RAM, 30 GB hard > > disk) and run the Access application...but Windows Server 2008 only has > two > > built-in Remote Desktop licenses for simultaneous use. My client thinks > > we'll need more. > > > > He and I were on a conference call with a support guy from GoDaddy.com > > yesterday. I asked him about setting up a VPN on the virtual server and > he > > said that that wasn't possible. However, he didn't know that Windows > Server > > 2008 had TWO Remote Desktop access licenses built-in. He was also > surprised > > when I told him that I can log into the server with two separate Remote > > Desktop sessions. That didn't make me confident that his pronouncement > > about VPN on a virtual server was accurate. > > > > So I'd like to ask you folks: can a VPN be set up on a VIRTUAL Windows > > Server 2008 installation? I've read through some threads here that > mention > > Hamachi VPN. Not that I want to learn yet another software package to be > > responsible for, but it seems that that has some boosters here. > > > > Also (subsidiary question) has anyone here ever purchased additional > Remote > > Desktop licenses from Microsoft? Thanks in advance! > > > > Regards, > > > > Steve Erbach > > Neenah, WI > > From accessd at shaw.ca Wed Jan 18 13:22:03 2012 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 11:22:03 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] VPN on a virtual Windows 2008 server...and RemoteDesktop In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8E3C4A4F764A4C9E92C7FFC8AF61DC58@creativesystemdesigns.com> Hi Steve: I am a little late to this discussion so most has already been said. First: MS always has two term server connection, on their servers, designed mostly for administration support. Any other terminal licenses must be purchased separately. Second: I have not worked much with MS terminal services but have done a bit with Citrix (the MS terminal server core is Citrix) as related to some large clients (various banks). I have not been to the Toronto hosting sites but have received a few pictures, from friends and the BE is huge. It takes a lot of muscle to handle many remote sessions. Third: Hamachi is now owned by LogMeIn. I met with the owners of the original company as they are from Vancouver. Hamachi works because it accesses addresses and ports outside scan range (In the 5.xx.xx.xx range) and these ports are usually not blocked by the hosting routers. The only way these ports can be setup, is to remote-in to remote your server, then you install Hamachi and it then monitors the new port, it generates, allowing remote access. Then the new port can be used for connecting. Note your hosting company may have blocked the Hamachi working ports as that may be considered a security violation. Aside: The DBA web site is in virtual drive and it is managed through a secure Hamachi connection. Of course web sites are designed to handle hundreds of sessions with minimal impact...thanks to IIS (or Apache). A question: Unless you remote host company is specifically setup to manage multiple remote sessions, like a full terminal server installation, the impact on their system would be dramatic or you remote performance would be throttled down... I did not remember hearing if that is the type of hosting you have purchased. I really do hope you have not painted yourself into a corner with this contract but the good news is that there are alternatives but they are not quick or easy. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Erbach Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 10:01 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] VPN on a virtual Windows 2008 server...and RemoteDesktop Gustav, And I didn't explain adquately. Sorry. GoDaddy offers "virtual dedicated servers" at a very favorable monthly rate. What we're running into is reluctance on the part of IT folks to allow Remote Desktop connections to that virtual server. They don't like opening ports. Regarding Microsoft Azure, I've heard of it but have no idea what it is...but it sounds like that's what GoDaddy uses to put limits on their virtual dedicated servers. That could be an unfortunate game changer. I'll see about contacting the Hamachi folks. Thank you, Steve Erbach Neenah, WI On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 11:56 AM, Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi Steve > > OK, I misunderstood a little. A "virtual hosted server" is not the same as > a normal "virtual server" like VMware Server which for nearly any practical > use can be referred to as a physical server. It's like Windows Azure where > you get something "similar" to a normal server; some features are left out > or limited, in your case VPN of Microsoft Server. > > I'm not familiar with Hamagochi or similar but it should be easy to get an > answer to your precise question if their VPN "server" application can be > installed on a hosted virtual server. > > The count of Microsoft RDP connection licenses is not related to VPN or > not. > > /gustav > > > >>> erbachs at gmail.com 18-01-2012 18:32 >>> > Gustav, > > Thanks for the reply. I see from the GoDaddy documents (which I just saw) > that were given to my client when he signed up for the virtual server (at > my recommendation...it was cheap!) that > > "Due to the nature of virtualization software, some system functionality is > not available to the administrator of a virtual dedicated Windows hosting > server. The following are known to not function in this environment: RAS > (Remote Access Services) including VPN." > > > What is NOT clear is if this applies only to the Microsoft RAS. I'm a bit > leery of having to be responsible for some other VPN software, but I'll do > my best to learn it to enable my client to do what he wants to do. Hamachi > seems to have been mentioned fairly often when the topic comes up here. > > One thing that isn't clear (among many) is this: If Hamachi VPN is > installed on a server, does the server still have to have multiple > Microsoft Remote Desktop licenses to be able to have, say, six people dial > in remotely into the Hamachi VPN? > > This is a thorny problem. My client has set up a business plan that relies > on Remote Desktop access to the virtual server to allow customers to do > data entry and print reports from the software product he's marketing. I'm > beginning to feel like a fool for recommending the virtual server route for > this purpose. > > Thanks, Gustav, for your input. > > Regards, > > Steve Erbach > Neenah, WI > > On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 11:25 AM, Gustav Brock wrote: > > > Hi Steve > > > > To follow the Microsoft route, you need Terminal Service to be installed > > on the server and licenses for this for the users. If do this, do double > > check the licensing methods or you may waste a lot of time getting this > > straight. > > > > There is a hack (google around) for Windows XP which allows more than two > > RDP connections at one time but that's probably not a good idea in this > > case. > > > > Small Business Server is routinely set up to use VPN for RDP connections, > > and it works great. There's no reason why it shouldn't work for virtual > > servers as well if just the network connection of these are bridged to > the > > physical network as is normally the case. > > > > You could also skip Terminal Services and use third-party software like > > WinConnect Server XP: > > > > http://www.thinsoftinc.com/product_thin_client_winconnect_server_xp.aspx > > > > Be aware that the license of this will be locked to the (first) server > you > > install this on, or you will need a call and a good explanation to the > > support line. > > > > /gustav > > > > > > >>> erbachs at gmail.com 18-01-2012 17:51 >>> > > Dear Group, > > > > I've been working with a client who wants to offer his software package > > (which I wrote in Access 2003) to clients via Remote Desktop connections > to > > a GoDaddy.com virtual Windows Server. I've got Remote Desktop working > just > > fine to allow users to log into the virtual server (2 GB RAM, 30 GB hard > > disk) and run the Access application...but Windows Server 2008 only has > two > > built-in Remote Desktop licenses for simultaneous use. My client thinks > > we'll need more. > > > > He and I were on a conference call with a support guy from GoDaddy.com > > yesterday. I asked him about setting up a VPN on the virtual server and > he > > said that that wasn't possible. However, he didn't know that Windows > Server > > 2008 had TWO Remote Desktop access licenses built-in. He was also > surprised > > when I told him that I can log into the server with two separate Remote > > Desktop sessions. That didn't make me confident that his pronouncement > > about VPN on a virtual server was accurate. > > > > So I'd like to ask you folks: can a VPN be set up on a VIRTUAL Windows > > Server 2008 installation? I've read through some threads here that > mention > > Hamachi VPN. Not that I want to learn yet another software package to be > > responsible for, but it seems that that has some boosters here. > > > > Also (subsidiary question) has anyone here ever purchased additional > Remote > > Desktop licenses from Microsoft? Thanks in advance! > > > > Regards, > > > > Steve Erbach > > Neenah, WI > > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From erbachs at gmail.com Wed Jan 18 14:56:26 2012 From: erbachs at gmail.com (Steve Erbach) Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 14:56:26 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] VPN on a virtual Windows 2008 server...and RemoteDesktop In-Reply-To: <8E3C4A4F764A4C9E92C7FFC8AF61DC58@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <8E3C4A4F764A4C9E92C7FFC8AF61DC58@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: Jim, We haven't painted ourselves into a corner. My client -- the owner of the app I wrote -- was hoping to offer the application via the Internet without first having to convert it to an ASP.NET/SQL Server web app. I've quoted him on that, but it was a bit high for his blood. It's been a while since I made that quote (3 years or so) and I know more about .NET and SQL Server so I'm going to re-visit it. One option is to continue marketing the application as a stand-alone or LAN-based Access app as it has been for years. Of course, keeping everyone at the same revision level is a challenge. He recently left the company he was working for after 24 years due to re-org. Now he wants to devote his energies to this side business that he's had all these years. My app is a very large part of that. That's why he'd hoped (me too!) that we could do an interim "Internet" solution with Remote Desktop. I got confirmation from GoDaddy that the plan my client purchased (at my recommendation for about $41 a month) isn't sufficient enough to allow a VPN to be set up nor can Windows Remote Access Server be set up on it. Have to upgrade to a full dedicated server at about triple the price. I think he should also hire a network guru to assist in setting up VPN and Remote Access...if we go that way. What you said about the resource requirement is important. Thanks, Jim. Steve Erbach Neenah, WI On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 1:22 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Hi Steve: > > I am a little late to this discussion so most has already been said. > > First: MS always has two term server connection, on their servers, designed > mostly for administration support. Any other terminal licenses must be > purchased separately. > > Second: I have not worked much with MS terminal services but have done a > bit > with Citrix (the MS terminal server core is Citrix) as related to some > large > clients (various banks). I have not been to the Toronto hosting sites but > have received a few pictures, from friends and the BE is huge. It takes a > lot of muscle to handle many remote sessions. > > Third: Hamachi is now owned by LogMeIn. I met with the owners of the > original company as they are from Vancouver. Hamachi works because it > accesses addresses and ports outside scan range (In the 5.xx.xx.xx range) > and these ports are usually not blocked by the hosting routers. The only > way > these ports can be setup, is to remote-in to remote your server, then you > install Hamachi and it then monitors the new port, it generates, allowing > remote access. Then the new port can be used for connecting. Note your > hosting company may have blocked the Hamachi working ports as that may be > considered a security violation. > > Aside: The DBA web site is in virtual drive and it is managed through a > secure Hamachi connection. Of course web sites are designed to handle > hundreds of sessions with minimal impact...thanks to IIS (or Apache). > > A question: Unless you remote host company is specifically setup to manage > multiple remote sessions, like a full terminal server installation, the > impact on their system would be dramatic or you remote performance would be > throttled down... I did not remember hearing if that is the type of hosting > you have purchased. > > I really do hope you have not painted yourself into a corner with this > contract but the good news is that there are alternatives but they are not > quick or easy. > > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Erbach > Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 10:01 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] VPN on a virtual Windows 2008 server...and > RemoteDesktop > > Gustav, > > And I didn't explain adquately. Sorry. GoDaddy offers "virtual dedicated > servers" at a very favorable monthly rate. > > What we're running into is reluctance on the part of IT folks to allow > Remote Desktop connections to that virtual server. They don't like opening > ports. > > Regarding Microsoft Azure, I've heard of it but have no idea what it > is...but it sounds like that's what GoDaddy uses to put limits on their > virtual dedicated servers. That could be an unfortunate game changer. > > I'll see about contacting the Hamachi folks. > > Thank you, > > Steve Erbach > Neenah, WI > > From accessd at shaw.ca Wed Jan 18 15:32:52 2012 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 13:32:52 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] VPN on a virtual Windows 2008 server...and RemoteDesktop In-Reply-To: References: <8E3C4A4F764A4C9E92C7FFC8AF61DC58@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: Well I am very glad to hear that. I am well aware of the limits of a large commercial hosting site and they are very judicious on how much resources they dispense and the prices they charge. In the long run I have found if you or your company have long term goals and a solid business plan, it is best to invest at the start and roll your own. There are some application out there that promise to make the conversion of an Access project to web based easy. How good they are I would not know. http://tinyurl.com/7om8gdq http://tinyurl.com/7bbp4xq ..and thoughts about migration. http://tinyurl.com/6ouuask Starting a business up with no money is a very difficult process and a process in which no one gets paid for a while and might never get paid or they may just strike it lucky...those are the risks. (...have been there and done that a number of times...) The bottom line there is no cheap, fast with good results way to do this. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Erbach Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 12:56 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] VPN on a virtual Windows 2008 server...and RemoteDesktop Jim, We haven't painted ourselves into a corner. My client -- the owner of the app I wrote -- was hoping to offer the application via the Internet without first having to convert it to an ASP.NET/SQL Server web app. I've quoted him on that, but it was a bit high for his blood. It's been a while since I made that quote (3 years or so) and I know more about .NET and SQL Server so I'm going to re-visit it. One option is to continue marketing the application as a stand-alone or LAN-based Access app as it has been for years. Of course, keeping everyone at the same revision level is a challenge. He recently left the company he was working for after 24 years due to re-org. Now he wants to devote his energies to this side business that he's had all these years. My app is a very large part of that. That's why he'd hoped (me too!) that we could do an interim "Internet" solution with Remote Desktop. I got confirmation from GoDaddy that the plan my client purchased (at my recommendation for about $41 a month) isn't sufficient enough to allow a VPN to be set up nor can Windows Remote Access Server be set up on it. Have to upgrade to a full dedicated server at about triple the price. I think he should also hire a network guru to assist in setting up VPN and Remote Access...if we go that way. What you said about the resource requirement is important. Thanks, Jim. Steve Erbach Neenah, WI On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 1:22 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Hi Steve: > > I am a little late to this discussion so most has already been said. > > First: MS always has two term server connection, on their servers, designed > mostly for administration support. Any other terminal licenses must be > purchased separately. > > Second: I have not worked much with MS terminal services but have done a > bit > with Citrix (the MS terminal server core is Citrix) as related to some > large > clients (various banks). I have not been to the Toronto hosting sites but > have received a few pictures, from friends and the BE is huge. It takes a > lot of muscle to handle many remote sessions. > > Third: Hamachi is now owned by LogMeIn. I met with the owners of the > original company as they are from Vancouver. Hamachi works because it > accesses addresses and ports outside scan range (In the 5.xx.xx.xx range) > and these ports are usually not blocked by the hosting routers. The only > way > these ports can be setup, is to remote-in to remote your server, then you > install Hamachi and it then monitors the new port, it generates, allowing > remote access. Then the new port can be used for connecting. Note your > hosting company may have blocked the Hamachi working ports as that may be > considered a security violation. > > Aside: The DBA web site is in virtual drive and it is managed through a > secure Hamachi connection. Of course web sites are designed to handle > hundreds of sessions with minimal impact...thanks to IIS (or Apache). > > A question: Unless you remote host company is specifically setup to manage > multiple remote sessions, like a full terminal server installation, the > impact on their system would be dramatic or you remote performance would be > throttled down... I did not remember hearing if that is the type of hosting > you have purchased. > > I really do hope you have not painted yourself into a corner with this > contract but the good news is that there are alternatives but they are not > quick or easy. > > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Erbach > Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 10:01 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] VPN on a virtual Windows 2008 server...and > RemoteDesktop > > Gustav, > > And I didn't explain adquately. Sorry. GoDaddy offers "virtual dedicated > servers" at a very favorable monthly rate. > > What we're running into is reluctance on the part of IT folks to allow > Remote Desktop connections to that virtual server. They don't like opening > ports. > > Regarding Microsoft Azure, I've heard of it but have no idea what it > is...but it sounds like that's what GoDaddy uses to put limits on their > virtual dedicated servers. That could be an unfortunate game changer. > > I'll see about contacting the Hamachi folks. > > Thank you, > > Steve Erbach > Neenah, WI > > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From erbachs at gmail.com Wed Jan 18 15:44:33 2012 From: erbachs at gmail.com (Steve Erbach) Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 15:44:33 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] VPN on a virtual Windows 2008 server...and RemoteDesktop In-Reply-To: References: <8E3C4A4F764A4C9E92C7FFC8AF61DC58@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: Jim, I have some familiarity with IronSpeed. As I think over the possibilities, converting it all myself is a very desirable prospect. Even though IronSpeed has excellent visuals, this is more of a query and reporting application than a data entry application. There certainly is a data entry component but its value comes from the data analysis and reporting. Thank you very much for your comments. Regards, Steve Erbach Neenah, WI On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 3:32 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Well I am very glad to hear that. I am well aware of the limits of a large > commercial hosting site and they are very judicious on how much resources > they dispense and the prices they charge. > > In the long run I have found if you or your company have long term goals > and > a solid business plan, it is best to invest at the start and roll your own. > > There are some application out there that promise to make the conversion of > an Access project to web based easy. How good they are I would not know. > > http://tinyurl.com/7om8gdq > > http://tinyurl.com/7bbp4xq > > ..and thoughts about migration. > http://tinyurl.com/6ouuask > > Starting a business up with no money is a very difficult process and a > process in which no one gets paid for a while and might never get paid or > they may just strike it lucky...those are the risks. (...have been there > and > done that a number of times...) > > The bottom line there is no cheap, fast with good results way to do this. > > Jim > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Erbach > Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 12:56 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] VPN on a virtual Windows 2008 server...and > RemoteDesktop > > Jim, > > We haven't painted ourselves into a corner. My client -- the owner of the > app I wrote -- was hoping to offer the application via the Internet without > first having to convert it to an ASP.NET/SQL Server web app. I've quoted > him on that, but it was a bit high for his blood. It's been a while since I > made that quote (3 years or so) and I know more about .NET and SQL Server > so I'm going to re-visit it. > > One option is to continue marketing the application as a stand-alone or > LAN-based Access app as it has been for years. Of course, keeping everyone > at the same revision level is a challenge. > > He recently left the company he was working for after 24 years due to > re-org. Now he wants to devote his energies to this side business that he's > had all these years. My app is a very large part of that. That's why he'd > hoped (me too!) that we could do an interim "Internet" solution with Remote > Desktop. > > I got confirmation from GoDaddy that the plan my client purchased (at my > recommendation for about $41 a month) isn't sufficient enough to allow a > VPN to be set up nor can Windows Remote Access Server be set up on it. > Have to upgrade to a full dedicated server at about triple the price. I > think he should also hire a network guru to assist in setting up VPN and > Remote Access...if we go that way. What you said about the resource > requirement is important. > > Thanks, Jim. > > Steve Erbach > Neenah, WI > > > On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 1:22 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > > > Hi Steve: > > > > I am a little late to this discussion so most has already been said. > > > > First: MS always has two term server connection, on their servers, > designed > > mostly for administration support. Any other terminal licenses must be > > purchased separately. > > > > Second: I have not worked much with MS terminal services but have done a > > bit > > with Citrix (the MS terminal server core is Citrix) as related to some > > large > > clients (various banks). I have not been to the Toronto hosting sites but > > have received a few pictures, from friends and the BE is huge. It takes a > > lot of muscle to handle many remote sessions. > > > > Third: Hamachi is now owned by LogMeIn. I met with the owners of the > > original company as they are from Vancouver. Hamachi works because it > > accesses addresses and ports outside scan range (In the 5.xx.xx.xx range) > > and these ports are usually not blocked by the hosting routers. The only > > way > > these ports can be setup, is to remote-in to remote your server, then you > > install Hamachi and it then monitors the new port, it generates, allowing > > remote access. Then the new port can be used for connecting. Note your > > hosting company may have blocked the Hamachi working ports as that may be > > considered a security violation. > > > > Aside: The DBA web site is in virtual drive and it is managed through a > > secure Hamachi connection. Of course web sites are designed to handle > > hundreds of sessions with minimal impact...thanks to IIS (or Apache). > > > > A question: Unless you remote host company is specifically setup to > manage > > multiple remote sessions, like a full terminal server installation, the > > impact on their system would be dramatic or you remote performance would > be > > throttled down... I did not remember hearing if that is the type of > hosting > > you have purchased. > > > > I really do hope you have not painted yourself into a corner with this > > contract but the good news is that there are alternatives but they are > not > > quick or easy. > > > > Jim > > > From accessd at shaw.ca Wed Jan 18 16:44:20 2012 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 14:44:20 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] VPN on a virtual Windows 2008 server...and RemoteDesktop In-Reply-To: References: <8E3C4A4F764A4C9E92C7FFC8AF61DC58@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <6DFBABBBDDAC4789ADABA11350B30527@creativesystemdesigns.com> Check this out Steve: http://www.codeproject.com/KB/dotnet/DotNetBuildSmClnts.aspx Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Erbach Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 1:45 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] VPN on a virtual Windows 2008 server...and RemoteDesktop Jim, I have some familiarity with IronSpeed. As I think over the possibilities, converting it all myself is a very desirable prospect. Even though IronSpeed has excellent visuals, this is more of a query and reporting application than a data entry application. There certainly is a data entry component but its value comes from the data analysis and reporting. Thank you very much for your comments. Regards, Steve Erbach Neenah, WI On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 3:32 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Well I am very glad to hear that. I am well aware of the limits of a large > commercial hosting site and they are very judicious on how much resources > they dispense and the prices they charge. > > In the long run I have found if you or your company have long term goals > and > a solid business plan, it is best to invest at the start and roll your own. > > There are some application out there that promise to make the conversion of > an Access project to web based easy. How good they are I would not know. > > http://tinyurl.com/7om8gdq > > http://tinyurl.com/7bbp4xq > > ..and thoughts about migration. > http://tinyurl.com/6ouuask > > Starting a business up with no money is a very difficult process and a > process in which no one gets paid for a while and might never get paid or > they may just strike it lucky...those are the risks. (...have been there > and > done that a number of times...) > > The bottom line there is no cheap, fast with good results way to do this. > > Jim > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Erbach > Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 12:56 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] VPN on a virtual Windows 2008 server...and > RemoteDesktop > > Jim, > > We haven't painted ourselves into a corner. My client -- the owner of the > app I wrote -- was hoping to offer the application via the Internet without > first having to convert it to an ASP.NET/SQL Server web app. I've quoted > him on that, but it was a bit high for his blood. It's been a while since I > made that quote (3 years or so) and I know more about .NET and SQL Server > so I'm going to re-visit it. > > One option is to continue marketing the application as a stand-alone or > LAN-based Access app as it has been for years. Of course, keeping everyone > at the same revision level is a challenge. > > He recently left the company he was working for after 24 years due to > re-org. Now he wants to devote his energies to this side business that he's > had all these years. My app is a very large part of that. That's why he'd > hoped (me too!) that we could do an interim "Internet" solution with Remote > Desktop. > > I got confirmation from GoDaddy that the plan my client purchased (at my > recommendation for about $41 a month) isn't sufficient enough to allow a > VPN to be set up nor can Windows Remote Access Server be set up on it. > Have to upgrade to a full dedicated server at about triple the price. I > think he should also hire a network guru to assist in setting up VPN and > Remote Access...if we go that way. What you said about the resource > requirement is important. > > Thanks, Jim. > > Steve Erbach > Neenah, WI > > > On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 1:22 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > > > Hi Steve: > > > > I am a little late to this discussion so most has already been said. > > > > First: MS always has two term server connection, on their servers, > designed > > mostly for administration support. Any other terminal licenses must be > > purchased separately. > > > > Second: I have not worked much with MS terminal services but have done a > > bit > > with Citrix (the MS terminal server core is Citrix) as related to some > > large > > clients (various banks). I have not been to the Toronto hosting sites but > > have received a few pictures, from friends and the BE is huge. It takes a > > lot of muscle to handle many remote sessions. > > > > Third: Hamachi is now owned by LogMeIn. I met with the owners of the > > original company as they are from Vancouver. Hamachi works because it > > accesses addresses and ports outside scan range (In the 5.xx.xx.xx range) > > and these ports are usually not blocked by the hosting routers. The only > > way > > these ports can be setup, is to remote-in to remote your server, then you > > install Hamachi and it then monitors the new port, it generates, allowing > > remote access. Then the new port can be used for connecting. Note your > > hosting company may have blocked the Hamachi working ports as that may be > > considered a security violation. > > > > Aside: The DBA web site is in virtual drive and it is managed through a > > secure Hamachi connection. Of course web sites are designed to handle > > hundreds of sessions with minimal impact...thanks to IIS (or Apache). > > > > A question: Unless you remote host company is specifically setup to > manage > > multiple remote sessions, like a full terminal server installation, the > > impact on their system would be dramatic or you remote performance would > be > > throttled down... I did not remember hearing if that is the type of > hosting > > you have purchased. > > > > I really do hope you have not painted yourself into a corner with this > > contract but the good news is that there are alternatives but they are > not > > quick or easy. > > > > Jim > > > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Wed Jan 18 18:17:52 2012 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 10:17:52 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] VPN on a virtual Windows 2008 server...and RemoteDesktop In-Reply-To: References: , , Message-ID: <4F176130.15335.1BBB00EB@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Why lock yourself into it being hosted on expensive IIE/SQL Server hosts. Have you had a look at developing it under LAMP / XAMP / WAMP with MySQL and PHP? MySQL is trivial to learn if you are familiar with SQL Server and it doesn't take much for a competent programmer to get up to speed with PHP. -- Stuart > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Erbach > > Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 12:56 PM > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] VPN on a virtual Windows 2008 server...and > > RemoteDesktop > > > > Jim, > > > > We haven't painted ourselves into a corner. My client -- the owner of the > > app I wrote -- was hoping to offer the application via the Internet without > > first having to convert it to an ASP.NET/SQL Server web app. I've quoted > > him on that, but it was a bit high for his blood. It's been a while since I > > made that quote (3 years or so) and I know more about .NET and SQL Server > > so I'm going to re-visit it. > > > > One option is to continue marketing the application as a stand-alone or > > LAN-based Access app as it has been for years. Of course, keeping everyone > > at the same revision level is a challenge. > > > > He recently left the company he was working for after 24 years due to > > re-org. Now he wants to devote his energies to this side business that he's > > had all these years. My app is a very large part of that. That's why he'd > > hoped (me too!) that we could do an interim "Internet" solution with Remote > > Desktop. > > > > I got confirmation from GoDaddy that the plan my client purchased (at my > > recommendation for about $41 a month) isn't sufficient enough to allow a > > VPN to be set up nor can Windows Remote Access Server be set up on it. > > Have to upgrade to a full dedicated server at about triple the price. I > > think he should also hire a network guru to assist in setting up VPN and > > Remote Access...if we go that way. What you said about the resource > > requirement is important. > > > > Thanks, Jim. > > > > Steve Erbach > > Neenah, WI > > > > > > On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 1:22 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > > > > > Hi Steve: > > > > > > I am a little late to this discussion so most has already been said. > > > > > > First: MS always has two term server connection, on their servers, > > designed > > > mostly for administration support. Any other terminal licenses must be > > > purchased separately. > > > > > > Second: I have not worked much with MS terminal services but have done a > > > bit > > > with Citrix (the MS terminal server core is Citrix) as related to some > > > large > > > clients (various banks). I have not been to the Toronto hosting sites but > > > have received a few pictures, from friends and the BE is huge. It takes a > > > lot of muscle to handle many remote sessions. > > > > > > Third: Hamachi is now owned by LogMeIn. I met with the owners of the > > > original company as they are from Vancouver. Hamachi works because it > > > accesses addresses and ports outside scan range (In the 5.xx.xx.xx range) > > > and these ports are usually not blocked by the hosting routers. The only > > > way > > > these ports can be setup, is to remote-in to remote your server, then you > > > install Hamachi and it then monitors the new port, it generates, allowing > > > remote access. Then the new port can be used for connecting. Note your > > > hosting company may have blocked the Hamachi working ports as that may be > > > considered a security violation. > > > > > > Aside: The DBA web site is in virtual drive and it is managed through a > > > secure Hamachi connection. Of course web sites are designed to handle > > > hundreds of sessions with minimal impact...thanks to IIS (or Apache). > > > > > > A question: Unless you remote host company is specifically setup to > > manage > > > multiple remote sessions, like a full terminal server installation, the > > > impact on their system would be dramatic or you remote performance would > > be > > > throttled down... I did not remember hearing if that is the type of > > hosting > > > you have purchased. > > > > > > I really do hope you have not painted yourself into a corner with this > > > contract but the good news is that there are alternatives but they are > > not > > > quick or easy. > > > > > > Jim > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Stuart McLachlan Ph: +675 340 4392 Mob: +675 7100 2028 Web: http://www.lexacorp.com.pg From accessd at shaw.ca Wed Jan 18 18:28:42 2012 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 16:28:42 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] VPN on a virtual Windows 2008 server...and RemoteDesktop In-Reply-To: <4F176130.15335.1BBB00EB@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <4F176130.15335.1BBB00EB@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <6BA6EAD22F9147158489998A02966279@creativesystemdesigns.com> Yes... Hosting starts at home. ;-) Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 4:18 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] VPN on a virtual Windows 2008 server...and RemoteDesktop Why lock yourself into it being hosted on expensive IIE/SQL Server hosts. Have you had a look at developing it under LAMP / XAMP / WAMP with MySQL and PHP? MySQL is trivial to learn if you are familiar with SQL Server and it doesn't take much for a competent programmer to get up to speed with PHP. -- Stuart > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Erbach > > Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 12:56 PM > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] VPN on a virtual Windows 2008 server...and > > RemoteDesktop > > > > Jim, > > > > We haven't painted ourselves into a corner. My client -- the owner of the > > app I wrote -- was hoping to offer the application via the Internet without > > first having to convert it to an ASP.NET/SQL Server web app. I've quoted > > him on that, but it was a bit high for his blood. It's been a while since I > > made that quote (3 years or so) and I know more about .NET and SQL Server > > so I'm going to re-visit it. > > > > One option is to continue marketing the application as a stand-alone or > > LAN-based Access app as it has been for years. Of course, keeping everyone > > at the same revision level is a challenge. > > > > He recently left the company he was working for after 24 years due to > > re-org. Now he wants to devote his energies to this side business that he's > > had all these years. My app is a very large part of that. That's why he'd > > hoped (me too!) that we could do an interim "Internet" solution with Remote > > Desktop. > > > > I got confirmation from GoDaddy that the plan my client purchased (at my > > recommendation for about $41 a month) isn't sufficient enough to allow a > > VPN to be set up nor can Windows Remote Access Server be set up on it. > > Have to upgrade to a full dedicated server at about triple the price. I > > think he should also hire a network guru to assist in setting up VPN and > > Remote Access...if we go that way. What you said about the resource > > requirement is important. > > > > Thanks, Jim. > > > > Steve Erbach > > Neenah, WI > > > > > > On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 1:22 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > > > > > Hi Steve: > > > > > > I am a little late to this discussion so most has already been said. > > > > > > First: MS always has two term server connection, on their servers, > > designed > > > mostly for administration support. Any other terminal licenses must be > > > purchased separately. > > > > > > Second: I have not worked much with MS terminal services but have done a > > > bit > > > with Citrix (the MS terminal server core is Citrix) as related to some > > > large > > > clients (various banks). I have not been to the Toronto hosting sites but > > > have received a few pictures, from friends and the BE is huge. It takes a > > > lot of muscle to handle many remote sessions. > > > > > > Third: Hamachi is now owned by LogMeIn. I met with the owners of the > > > original company as they are from Vancouver. Hamachi works because it > > > accesses addresses and ports outside scan range (In the 5.xx.xx.xx range) > > > and these ports are usually not blocked by the hosting routers. The only > > > way > > > these ports can be setup, is to remote-in to remote your server, then you > > > install Hamachi and it then monitors the new port, it generates, allowing > > > remote access. Then the new port can be used for connecting. Note your > > > hosting company may have blocked the Hamachi working ports as that may be > > > considered a security violation. > > > > > > Aside: The DBA web site is in virtual drive and it is managed through a > > > secure Hamachi connection. Of course web sites are designed to handle > > > hundreds of sessions with minimal impact...thanks to IIS (or Apache). > > > > > > A question: Unless you remote host company is specifically setup to > > manage > > > multiple remote sessions, like a full terminal server installation, the > > > impact on their system would be dramatic or you remote performance would > > be > > > throttled down... I did not remember hearing if that is the type of > > hosting > > > you have purchased. > > > > > > I really do hope you have not painted yourself into a corner with this > > > contract but the good news is that there are alternatives but they are > > not > > > quick or easy. > > > > > > Jim > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Stuart McLachlan Ph: +675 340 4392 Mob: +675 7100 2028 Web: http://www.lexacorp.com.pg _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From erbachs at gmail.com Thu Jan 19 09:02:37 2012 From: erbachs at gmail.com (Steve Erbach) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 09:02:37 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] VPN on a virtual Windows 2008 server...and RemoteDesktop In-Reply-To: <4F176130.15335.1BBB00EB@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <4F176130.15335.1BBB00EB@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: Stuart, [??] Hey! I'm 59 years old! You know, old dog, and all that? I've toyed with Linux over the years, beginning with installing Red Hat in a dual boot situation on an old Windows 95 laptop (2 GB hard disk)...but I never got comfortable with the environment. For good or ill, I'm a Microsoft weiner now. Steve Erbach Neenah, WI On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 6:17 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote: > Why lock yourself into it being hosted on expensive IIE/SQL Server hosts. > > Have you had a look at developing it under LAMP / XAMP / WAMP with MySQL > and PHP? > > MySQL is trivial to learn if you are familiar with SQL Server and it > doesn't take much for a > competent programmer to get up to speed with PHP. > > -- > Stuart > > > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve > Erbach > > > Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 12:56 PM > > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] VPN on a virtual Windows 2008 server...and > > > RemoteDesktop > > > > > > Jim, > > > > > > We haven't painted ourselves into a corner. My client -- the owner of > the > > > app I wrote -- was hoping to offer the application via the Internet > without > > > first having to convert it to an ASP.NET/SQL Server web app. I've > quoted > > > him on that, but it was a bit high for his blood. It's been a while > since I > > > made that quote (3 years or so) and I know more about .NET and SQL > Server > > > so I'm going to re-visit it. > > > > > > One option is to continue marketing the application as a stand-alone or > > > LAN-based Access app as it has been for years. Of course, keeping > everyone > > > at the same revision level is a challenge. > > > > > > He recently left the company he was working for after 24 years due to > > > re-org. Now he wants to devote his energies to this side business that > he's > > > had all these years. My app is a very large part of that. That's why > he'd > > > hoped (me too!) that we could do an interim "Internet" solution with > Remote > > > Desktop. > > > > > > I got confirmation from GoDaddy that the plan my client purchased (at > my > > > recommendation for about $41 a month) isn't sufficient enough to allow > a > > > VPN to be set up nor can Windows Remote Access Server be set up on it. > > > Have to upgrade to a full dedicated server at about triple the price. > I > > > think he should also hire a network guru to assist in setting up VPN > and > > > Remote Access...if we go that way. What you said about the resource > > > requirement is important. > > > > > > Thanks, Jim. > > > > > > Steve Erbach > > > Neenah, WI > > > > From john at winhaven.net Thu Jan 19 11:05:12 2012 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 11:05:12 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] setting the top most display window Message-ID: <011d01ccd6cc$81c58620$85509260$@winhaven.net> I have a terminal that is acting as a kiosk to display a marketing web page based slide show. I have everything working except if there is some annoying error message that pops up on the host machine. It pops up over the display. Is there a way to set that user's session to not allow system errors to display? Or another thought, to set Internet Explorer to be the topmost priority display so that the errors wouldn't go on top of it? TIA John B From accessd at shaw.ca Thu Jan 19 13:50:32 2012 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 11:50:32 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] New Windows 8 and Linux In-Reply-To: <011d01ccd6cc$81c58620$85509260$@winhaven.net> References: <011d01ccd6cc$81c58620$85509260$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: It looks like the new Windows 8 computers, on new PC hardware, will no longer dual boot. This effectively means Linux may be impossible to install on all new PCs that ever had and will have Windows 8 OEM installed. Welcome to the new Windows 8 world. http://tinyurl.com/6w4hd39 Couple this with the new UEFI boot chips (the new BIOS replacement chip) capability to actually connect to the internet and the new Windows OS may not even start if it is deemed that the PCs Windows OS has not been properly installed, has been tampered with, not authenticated or even is now working in a updated hardware environment. This is real "Big Brothers" stuff right out of science fiction. Given the absolute control displayed but the Mac world and now the PC Windows world, complete Linux migration starts looking better and better. ...Mind you may have to code break the PC to do that, and that may be considered illegal worthy of a large fine, jail time and the removal of all rights to use a computer for up to a year. Welcome to the new world order. ;-) Jim From peter.brawley at earthlink.net Thu Jan 19 14:07:36 2012 From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 14:07:36 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] New Windows 8 and Linux In-Reply-To: References: <011d01ccd6cc$81c58620$85509260$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: <4F187808.1010302@earthlink.net> On 1/19/2012 1:50 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > It looks like the new Windows 8 computers, on new PC hardware, will no > longer dual boot. > > This effectively means Linux may be impossible to install on all new PCs > that ever had and will have Windows 8 OEM installed. > > Welcome to the new Windows 8 world. > > http://tinyurl.com/6w4hd39 > > Couple this with the new UEFI boot chips (the new BIOS replacement chip) > capability to actually connect to the internet and the new Windows OS may > not even start if it is deemed that the PCs Windows OS has not been properly > installed, has been tampered with, not authenticated or even is now working > in a updated hardware environment. > > This is real "Big Brothers" stuff right out of science fiction. > > Given the absolute control displayed but the Mac world and now the PC > Windows world, complete Linux migration starts looking better and better. Time for *Nix developers to get busy filling the Win-*Nix usability gap! PB ----- > > ...Mind you may have to code break the PC to do that, and that may be > considered illegal worthy of a large fine, jail time and the removal of all > rights to use a computer for up to a year. Welcome to the new world order. > ;-) > > Jim > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From fuller.artful at gmail.com Thu Jan 19 15:08:47 2012 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 16:08:47 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] VPN on a virtual Windows 2008 server...and RemoteDesktop In-Reply-To: References: <4F176130.15335.1BBB00EB@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: Steve, 1. I'm 64, young 'un! 2. Should you feel like trying Linux again, try either Linux or Mint. Run either as a VM in Oracle VirtualBox and the whole setup is free, and you can trash it anytime. On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 10:02 AM, Steve Erbach wrote: > Stuart, > > [??] Hey! I'm 59 years old! You know, old dog, and all that? > > I've toyed with Linux over the years, beginning with installing Red Hat in > a dual boot situation on an old Windows 95 laptop (2 GB hard disk)...but I > never got comfortable with the environment. For good or ill, I'm a > Microsoft weiner now. > > Steve Erbach > Neenah, WI > > Stuart... > > MySQL is trivial to learn if you are familiar with SQL Server and it > > doesn't take much for a > > competent programmer to get up to speed with PHP. > > > > -- > > Stuart > Perhaps for you MySQL was trivial, but as for me, even with 20 years' experience programming databases, I found MySQL a steep climb. Mind you, I was writing a book about it, and had to learn its workings on Windows, Mac, Linux and Solaris, pretty much all at once. But even that aside, there are so many switches and settings and so on that mastery takes a *long* while, whereas MS hides most of that and "just runs" -- that's a long way from "runs optimally", and if that's the goal, then MS SQL is a pretty steep climb too. Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. -- Niels Bohr From fuller.artful at gmail.com Thu Jan 19 15:28:17 2012 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 16:28:17 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] New Windows 8 and Linux In-Reply-To: <4F187808.1010302@earthlink.net> References: <011d01ccd6cc$81c58620$85509260$@winhaven.net> <4F187808.1010302@earthlink.net> Message-ID: A possible workaround is to set up a memory stick to boot and install Linux on that. My local hardware vendor sells 64GB Kingston memory sticks for less than $50. I haven't moved to Windows 8 yet, but I'm thinking of losing my dual-boot setup in favour of the stick approach. To paraphrase Teddy Roosevelt, "speak Linux and carry a Big Stick." Ubuntu provides detailed instructions on how to boot from a stick, but of course it depends on your BIOS supporting that option. On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 3:07 PM, Peter Brawley wrote: > On 1/19/2012 1:50 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > >> It looks like the new Windows 8 computers, on new PC hardware, will no >> longer dual boot. >> >> This effectively means Linux may be impossible to install on all new PCs >> that ever had and will have Windows 8 OEM installed. >> >> Welcome to the new Windows 8 world. >> -- > > Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. -- Niels Bohr From accessd at shaw.ca Thu Jan 19 15:37:11 2012 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 13:37:11 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] New Windows 8 and Linux In-Reply-To: <4F187808.1010302@earthlink.net> References: <011d01ccd6cc$81c58620$85509260$@winhaven.net> <4F187808.1010302@earthlink.net> Message-ID: I think you are on to something. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Peter Brawley Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2012 12:08 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] New Windows 8 and Linux On 1/19/2012 1:50 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > It looks like the new Windows 8 computers, on new PC hardware, will no > longer dual boot. > > This effectively means Linux may be impossible to install on all new PCs > that ever had and will have Windows 8 OEM installed. > > Welcome to the new Windows 8 world. > > http://tinyurl.com/6w4hd39 > > Couple this with the new UEFI boot chips (the new BIOS replacement chip) > capability to actually connect to the internet and the new Windows OS may > not even start if it is deemed that the PCs Windows OS has not been properly > installed, has been tampered with, not authenticated or even is now working > in a updated hardware environment. > > This is real "Big Brothers" stuff right out of science fiction. > > Given the absolute control displayed but the Mac world and now the PC > Windows world, complete Linux migration starts looking better and better. Time for *Nix developers to get busy filling the Win-*Nix usability gap! PB ----- > > ...Mind you may have to code break the PC to do that, and that may be > considered illegal worthy of a large fine, jail time and the removal of all > rights to use a computer for up to a year. Welcome to the new world order. > ;-) > > Jim > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Thu Jan 19 15:54:13 2012 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 16:54:13 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] New Windows 8 and Linux In-Reply-To: References: <011d01ccd6cc$81c58620$85509260$@winhaven.net> <4F187808.1010302@earthlink.net> Message-ID: At the end of the month, when my loot from a small contract arrives, I'm going to my local vendor to buy a pair of 1TB drives. After I install them and the USB 3.0 card to drive them, the plan is to use Acronis DriveImage to image my four current drives, then wipe them clean and lose the current multi-boot setup completely. I'll set one OS (Win7 Ultimate 64-bit) as the hard disk boot, but also create at least a couple of bootable USB sticks, one for each OS -- Server, Win7 Ultimate, and Ubuntu. I have been led to believe that using USB 3.0 and bootable sticks, one can decrease the bootup time to under a minute. That would be truly nice! On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 4:37 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > I think you are on to something. > > Jim > -- > Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. -- Niels Bohr From accessd at shaw.ca Thu Jan 19 15:58:48 2012 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 13:58:48 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] New Windows 8 and Linux In-Reply-To: References: <011d01ccd6cc$81c58620$85509260$@winhaven.net> <4F187808.1010302@earthlink.net> Message-ID: I agree Arthur... This is all well and good for us as we will unlikely be stopped by such nonsense as hardwired boot chips but for the average user this will be a show stopper. The Linux community may very likely be forced to come up with a way to allow just a normal user to easily install or dual boot their OS. Now whether that process will disable their existing Windows 8 or, at that time, be illegal backed by a number of penalties encapsulated in some future "anti-piracy" bill is yet to be seen. Maybe I am over reacting on this but the whole concept of enforcing world-wide internet control under the ruse of "anti-piracy" and secure is a very troubling trend. The purveyors of these series of regulations will never quit and if the Whitehouse had not received almost 100 million emails saying stop this...today we might be facing a very different paradigm. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2012 1:28 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] New Windows 8 and Linux A possible workaround is to set up a memory stick to boot and install Linux on that. My local hardware vendor sells 64GB Kingston memory sticks for less than $50. I haven't moved to Windows 8 yet, but I'm thinking of losing my dual-boot setup in favour of the stick approach. To paraphrase Teddy Roosevelt, "speak Linux and carry a Big Stick." Ubuntu provides detailed instructions on how to boot from a stick, but of course it depends on your BIOS supporting that option. On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 3:07 PM, Peter Brawley wrote: > On 1/19/2012 1:50 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > >> It looks like the new Windows 8 computers, on new PC hardware, will no >> longer dual boot. >> >> This effectively means Linux may be impossible to install on all new PCs >> that ever had and will have Windows 8 OEM installed. >> >> Welcome to the new Windows 8 world. >> -- > > Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. -- Niels Bohr _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Thu Jan 19 16:04:47 2012 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 17:04:47 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] New Windows 8 and Linux In-Reply-To: References: <011d01ccd6cc$81c58620$85509260$@winhaven.net> <4F187808.1010302@earthlink.net> Message-ID: As the old saying goes, "Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean you don't have enemies." Or, in the words of radical psychiatrist R.D. Lang, "We have a word for the condition of believing you have enemies when you don't -- paranoia. But we don't have a word for believing you don't have enemies when in fact you do." On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 4:58 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > I agree Arthur... This is all well and good for us as we will unlikely be > stopped by such nonsense as hardwired boot chips but for the average user > this will be a show stopper. > > The Linux community may very likely be forced to come up with a way to > allow > just a normal user to easily install or dual boot their OS. Now whether > that > process will disable their existing Windows 8 or, at that time, be illegal > backed by a number of penalties encapsulated in some future "anti-piracy" > bill is yet to be seen. > > Maybe I am over reacting on this but the whole concept of enforcing > world-wide internet control under the ruse of "anti-piracy" and secure is a > very troubling trend. The purveyors of these series of regulations will > never quit and if the Whitehouse had not received almost 100 million emails > saying stop this...today we might be facing a very different paradigm. > > Jim > -- > Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. -- Niels Bohr From accessd at shaw.ca Thu Jan 19 16:08:05 2012 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 14:08:05 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] New Windows 8 and Linux In-Reply-To: References: <011d01ccd6cc$81c58620$85509260$@winhaven.net> <4F187808.1010302@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <27FB58BDCA2A4E988C2823832EEA5C25@creativesystemdesigns.com> A big move for the A. Fuller hosting company. ;-) Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2012 1:54 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] New Windows 8 and Linux At the end of the month, when my loot from a small contract arrives, I'm going to my local vendor to buy a pair of 1TB drives. After I install them and the USB 3.0 card to drive them, the plan is to use Acronis DriveImage to image my four current drives, then wipe them clean and lose the current multi-boot setup completely. I'll set one OS (Win7 Ultimate 64-bit) as the hard disk boot, but also create at least a couple of bootable USB sticks, one for each OS -- Server, Win7 Ultimate, and Ubuntu. I have been led to believe that using USB 3.0 and bootable sticks, one can decrease the bootup time to under a minute. That would be truly nice! On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 4:37 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > I think you are on to something. > > Jim > -- > Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. -- Niels Bohr _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Thu Jan 19 16:16:40 2012 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 17:16:40 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Full Office (sans Access) on iPad, sans Windows Message-ID: Introduced at CES: http://www.zdnet.com/blog/mobile-news/onlive-desktop-full-ms-office-on-ipad-2-no-windows-required-review/6489?tag=nl.e539 -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. -- Niels Bohr From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Thu Jan 19 16:18:59 2012 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2012 08:18:59 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] VPN on a virtual Windows 2008 server...and RemoteDesktop In-Reply-To: References: , <4F176130.15335.1BBB00EB@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>, Message-ID: <4F1896D3.30404.20748F2E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Hey, I was about that age when I started to get into those technologies. You can still stay with Windows. I do all such development on WAMP running on a Windows machine. I do all my DB maintenance throug phpMyAdmin in Firefox. Then I use FireFTP in FireFox to upload files to the real web server and manage files/directories on the server. I never actually work in a Linux environement for any of it. -- Stuart On 19 Jan 2012 at 9:02, Steve Erbach wrote: > Stuart, > > [??] Hey! I'm 59 years old! You know, old dog, and all that? > > I've toyed with Linux over the years, beginning with installing Red Hat in > a dual boot situation on an old Windows 95 laptop (2 GB hard disk)...but I > never got comfortable with the environment. For good or ill, I'm a > Microsoft weiner now. > > Steve Erbach > Neenah, WI > > On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 6:17 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote: > > > Why lock yourself into it being hosted on expensive IIE/SQL Server hosts. > > > > Have you had a look at developing it under LAMP / XAMP / WAMP with MySQL > > and PHP? > > > > MySQL is trivial to learn if you are familiar with SQL Server and it > > doesn't take much for a > > competent programmer to get up to speed with PHP. > > > > -- > > Stuart > > > > > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve > > Erbach > > > > Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 12:56 PM > > > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] VPN on a virtual Windows 2008 server...and > > > > RemoteDesktop > > > > > > > > Jim, > > > > > > > > We haven't painted ourselves into a corner. My client -- the owner of > > the > > > > app I wrote -- was hoping to offer the application via the Internet > > without > > > > first having to convert it to an ASP.NET/SQL Server web app. I've > > quoted > > > > him on that, but it was a bit high for his blood. It's been a while > > since I > > > > made that quote (3 years or so) and I know more about .NET and SQL > > Server > > > > so I'm going to re-visit it. > > > > > > > > One option is to continue marketing the application as a stand-alone or > > > > LAN-based Access app as it has been for years. Of course, keeping > > everyone > > > > at the same revision level is a challenge. > > > > > > > > He recently left the company he was working for after 24 years due to > > > > re-org. Now he wants to devote his energies to this side business that > > he's > > > > had all these years. My app is a very large part of that. That's why > > he'd > > > > hoped (me too!) that we could do an interim "Internet" solution with > > Remote > > > > Desktop. > > > > > > > > I got confirmation from GoDaddy that the plan my client purchased (at > > my > > > > recommendation for about $41 a month) isn't sufficient enough to allow > > a > > > > VPN to be set up nor can Windows Remote Access Server be set up on it. > > > > Have to upgrade to a full dedicated server at about triple the price. > > I > > > > think he should also hire a network guru to assist in setting up VPN > > and > > > > Remote Access...if we go that way. What you said about the resource > > > > requirement is important. > > > > > > > > Thanks, Jim. > > > > > > > > Steve Erbach > > > > Neenah, WI > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Stuart McLachlan Ph: +675 340 4392 Mob: +675 7100 2028 Web: http://www.lexacorp.com.pg From jon.tydda at lonza.com Fri Jan 20 04:33:50 2012 From: jon.tydda at lonza.com (Tydda Jon - Slough) Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2012 11:33:50 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Workstation hardware monitoring Message-ID: Hi all Does anyone have any experience of software to monitor the hardware status of workstations, along the lines of Insight Manager for servers? I?ve found one that looks pretty good, (http://www.activexperts.com/network-monitor/check/) but with no experience of using things like this, I don?t know whether it?s actually a good one or not? although at ?950 for unlimited installations at unlimited sites, the price is definitely right! ? Any advice gratefully accepted! Thanks Jon ________________________________ This communication and its attachments, if any, may contain confidential and privileged information the use of which by other persons or entities than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you receive this transmission in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete the material from your system. From gustav at cactus.dk Fri Jan 20 10:27:28 2012 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2012 17:27:28 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] New Windows 8 Message-ID: Hi all This is interesting. From sleep mode this boots in 5 seconds on my 4 year old AMD64 Lenovo and that includes the connection to our AD. Should you decide to check out the Developer Preview, you will wonder how to close the applications opened via Metro. You don't; Windows decides for itself when it is necessary to close an app you don't use. If you find this too lazy, press Ctrl+Alt+Del and open the completely redesigned Task Manager and shut Down the app. Another completely redesigned tool is the calculator. At first sight it looks harmless as previously, but go to the options and a monster calculator is revealed. /Gustav From accessd at shaw.ca Fri Jan 20 10:37:39 2012 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2012 08:37:39 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Incompatibility In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4D41F805F106473E8BA8AD42752FC481@creativesystemdesigns.com> It appears that the evolution of the computer BIOS to UEFI, accompanied with new Windows 8's requirements may actually stop Linux cold. (I bet that many in Microsoft are smiling at the possibility.) It will be a few years before hardware and the roll out of the latest Windows makes any serious impact in the computing world, so much could change between then and there. In the meantime, a number of issues have to be resolved. http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/9844.html Jim From fuller.artful at gmail.com Fri Jan 20 11:17:47 2012 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2012 12:17:47 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Incompatibility In-Reply-To: <4D41F805F106473E8BA8AD42752FC481@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <4D41F805F106473E8BA8AD42752FC481@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: I think that I have a potential way around this too. Buy the machine and then immediately create boot disks that restore the current configuration. Then format the disk and fry everything. Then install Ubuntu as the base OS, and then install VirtualBox or something equivalent, and then run Windows 8 as a VM. I haven't tried this, and can't until the 27th, when I get my pension loot. But on said day, I'm going to do radical surgery on my box, placing my confidence in Acronis DriveImage. I'm hoping the radical surgery will go well, but in the event of failure, I'll still have the images. My goal is a totally clean slate, with a few memory sticks configured to boot this or that OS, depending on how I feel. Mondays and Wednesdays, Windows, Tuesday and Thursday, Ubuntu, Friday and Saturday, Chromium or something else, and Sunday, switch the 'puter off and do something physical for a change (pushups, take the cat for a walk, trek to the vodka store, etc.) And occasionally revise my CV. As to new acquisitions of hardware, I've been thinking of following Richard Stallman's lead. -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. -- Niels Bohr From accessd at shaw.ca Fri Jan 20 11:59:23 2012 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2012 09:59:23 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Incompatibility In-Reply-To: References: <4D41F805F106473E8BA8AD42752FC481@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <1D9A54DBE37B442D86826038A8C9ABE1@creativesystemdesigns.com> I will wait for your impressions on any issues. Right now I am sitting at waters edge wondering if there are any piranhas. ;-) Please keep me posted. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 9:18 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Incompatibility I think that I have a potential way around this too. Buy the machine and then immediately create boot disks that restore the current configuration. Then format the disk and fry everything. Then install Ubuntu as the base OS, and then install VirtualBox or something equivalent, and then run Windows 8 as a VM. I haven't tried this, and can't until the 27th, when I get my pension loot. But on said day, I'm going to do radical surgery on my box, placing my confidence in Acronis DriveImage. I'm hoping the radical surgery will go well, but in the event of failure, I'll still have the images. My goal is a totally clean slate, with a few memory sticks configured to boot this or that OS, depending on how I feel. Mondays and Wednesdays, Windows, Tuesday and Thursday, Ubuntu, Friday and Saturday, Chromium or something else, and Sunday, switch the 'puter off and do something physical for a change (pushups, take the cat for a walk, trek to the vodka store, etc.) And occasionally revise my CV. As to new acquisitions of hardware, I've been thinking of following Richard Stallman's lead. -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. -- Niels Bohr _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Fri Jan 20 13:52:05 2012 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2012 14:52:05 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Incompatibility In-Reply-To: <1D9A54DBE37B442D86826038A8C9ABE1@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <4D41F805F106473E8BA8AD42752FC481@creativesystemdesigns.com> <1D9A54DBE37B442D86826038A8C9ABE1@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: Shall do, Jim. On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 12:59 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > I will wait for your impressions on any issues. Right now I am sitting at > waters edge wondering if there are any piranhas. ;-) Please keep me posted. > > Jim > -- > Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. -- Niels Bohr From df.waters at comcast.net Tue Jan 24 08:40:52 2012 From: df.waters at comcast.net (Dan Waters) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 08:40:52 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows Versions Which Support Remote Connections Message-ID: <000901ccdaa6$2c7197d0$8554c770$@comcast.net> I have a friend who needs to buy a new laptop. I want to 'remote in' to her PC from mine to help resolve issues from time to time. I have W7 Pro - what version of Windows will her PC need? A quick look at mid-range laptops shows that most have Windows Home Premium installed. Will that work? Or if her PC has W7 Pro would that be better? Thanks! Dan From jon.tydda at lonza.com Tue Jan 24 08:53:42 2012 From: jon.tydda at lonza.com (Tydda Jon - Slough) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 15:53:42 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows Versions Which Support Remote Connections In-Reply-To: <000901ccdaa6$2c7197d0$8554c770$@comcast.net> References: <000901ccdaa6$2c7197d0$8554c770$@comcast.net> Message-ID: I don't think the version of Windows matters if you can use something like LogMeIn, rather than Remote Assistance. Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters Sent: 24 January 2012 14:41 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows Versions Which Support Remote Connections I have a friend who needs to buy a new laptop. I want to 'remote in' to her PC from mine to help resolve issues from time to time. I have W7 Pro - what version of Windows will her PC need? A quick look at mid-range laptops shows that most have Windows Home Premium installed. Will that work? Or if her PC has W7 Pro would that be better? Thanks! Dan _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com This communication and its attachments, if any, may contain confidential and privileged information the use of which by other persons or entities than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you receive this transmission in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete the material from your system. From fuller.artful at gmail.com Wed Jan 25 04:23:06 2012 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 05:23:06 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Australia Message-ID: Attention Aussie listers: CBC is running a contest whose prize is a trip to Australia. To win, I have to describe what part(s) of Australia I'd like to see most. I know very little about that island/nation/continent other than Ayers Rock, the Outback, and the Sydney opera house. Oh, and I have a didgeridoo, but haven't mastered the circular breathing required to be any good at it. Any suggestions for things to do and see there? -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. -- Niels Bohr From jon.tydda at lonza.com Wed Jan 25 04:56:47 2012 From: jon.tydda at lonza.com (Tydda Jon - Slough) Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 11:56:47 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Australia In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: To find out anything about Australia or New Zealand, the best thing you can do is to get hold of a copy of "Billy Connolly's World Tour of Australia" or " Billy Connolly's World Tour of New Zealand". They're brilliant. Informative, funny, and he goes all over the place, visiting all sorts of different people and attractions. Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: 25 January 2012 10:23 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Australia Attention Aussie listers: CBC is running a contest whose prize is a trip to Australia. To win, I have to describe what part(s) of Australia I'd like to see most. I know very little about that island/nation/continent other than Ayers Rock, the Outback, and the Sydney opera house. Oh, and I have a didgeridoo, but haven't mastered the circular breathing required to be any good at it. Any suggestions for things to do and see there? -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. -- Niels Bohr _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com This communication and its attachments, if any, may contain confidential and privileged information the use of which by other persons or entities than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you receive this transmission in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete the material from your system. From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Wed Jan 25 05:16:25 2012 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 21:16:25 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Australia In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4F1FE489.16711.B9F9893@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> On 25 Jan 2012 at 5:23, Arthur Fuller wrote: > Attention Aussie listers: CBC is running a contest whose prize is a trip to > Australia. To win, I have to describe what part(s) of Australia I'd like to > see most. I know very little about that island/nation/continent other than > Ayers Rock, the Outback, and the Sydney opera house. Oh, and I have a > didgeridoo, but haven't mastered the circular breathing required to be any > good at it. > > Any suggestions for things to do and see there? > Some of my favourites: North Queensland Cairns, Kuranda and the Atherton Tablelands Great Barrier Reef Outback Queensland The Stockman's Hall of Fame at Longreach Northern Territories: Kakadu National Park South Australia Lake Eyre Barossa Valley wine region -- Stuart McLachlan Ph: +675 340 4392 Mob: +675 7100 2028 Web: http://www.lexacorp.com.pg From fuller.artful at gmail.com Wed Jan 25 06:15:02 2012 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 07:15:02 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Performance Comparison of Programming Languages Message-ID: There's a nice piece at CodeProject, comparing C#, C++, Java, Javascript and Fortran on various operations. http://www.codeproject.com/Articles/304935/Operation-Performance-Evaluation -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. -- Niels Bohr From accessd at shaw.ca Wed Jan 25 11:51:07 2012 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 09:51:07 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Performance Comparison of Programming Languages In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0D88BC2843924465826F846995F78DAF@creativesystemdesigns.com> That is a great list Arthur. No surprizes except that C# was faster than C++. JavaScript is running well considering it is just interpetive and the language does not have a preprocessor or compiler...yet...but then there is the BE Node.js. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 4:15 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Performance Comparison of Programming Languages There's a nice piece at CodeProject, comparing C#, C++, Java, Javascript and Fortran on various operations. http://www.codeproject.com/Articles/304935/Operation-Performance-Evaluation -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. -- Niels Bohr _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jon.tydda at lonza.com Thu Jan 26 07:43:33 2012 From: jon.tydda at lonza.com (Tydda Jon - Slough) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 14:43:33 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Disable software, warns Symantec Message-ID: Symantec advises customers to stop using its pcAnywhere program after stolen source code exposes serious vulnerabilities. View article... Jon ________________________________ This communication and its attachments, if any, may contain confidential and privileged information the use of which by other persons or entities than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you receive this transmission in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete the material from your system. From john at winhaven.net Thu Jan 26 10:10:09 2012 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 10:10:09 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Disable software, warns Symantec In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <007f01ccdc44$fa194a30$ee4bde90$@winhaven.net> Nice. And this from one of the largest "security" companies in the world? Thanks for the link. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tydda Jon - Slough Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 7:44 AM To: Dba-Tech (dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com) Subject: [dba-Tech] Disable software, warns Symantec Symantec advises customers to stop using its pcAnywhere program after stolen source code exposes serious vulnerabilities. View article... Jon ________________________________ This communication and its attachments, if any, may contain confidential and privileged information the use of which by other persons or entities than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you receive this transmission in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete the material from your system. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Thu Jan 26 10:46:51 2012 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 08:46:51 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Outlook Express Message-ID: Dear Lists: I am having trouble creating a mail rule for my wife on her Outlook Express. I recently registered with Cappex.com on advice of my older son who is graduating this year from college. It's a site that sends you advice about scholarships targeted to your profile. I entered my younger son's profile. Of course I'm getting a lot of emails from them about various colleges that would like to get #2 son on their mailing list. As well as a couple showing scholarship information. I set up a rule in my Outlook to forward all the Cappex emails to my wife so she could keep an eye on them as well. I created a Cappex folder on her Outlook Express named Cappex. Then I tried to create a rule that would sort those forwarded emails into the Cappex folder on her box. But none of the rules seems to work on the forwarded emails. The Cappex rule is the first one on the list. Further down is a rule that if the email comes from me it goes into the Rocky folder. So far, all my attempts have failed - all of the forwarded mail ends up in her Rocky folder. I tried where the body contains 'Cappex' which they all do, but no luck. I tried in the subject 'college', 'university', or 'scholarship' which they all have, but no cigar. Any ideas on what's going wrong here or how to create a rule that will work? MTIA Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.bchacc.com www.e-z-mrp.com Skype: rocky.smolin From jon.tydda at lonza.com Thu Jan 26 11:14:32 2012 From: jon.tydda at lonza.com (Tydda Jon - Slough) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 18:14:32 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Outlook Express In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: It's hard to say without seeing the wording of the rule, but I always add the action "And stop processing other rules" to all my rules, so there's no duplication, and no possibility of anything else going wrong. Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: 26 January 2012 16:47 To: List; 'Off Topic' Subject: [dba-Tech] Outlook Express Dear Lists: I am having trouble creating a mail rule for my wife on her Outlook Express. I recently registered with Cappex.com on advice of my older son who is graduating this year from college. It's a site that sends you advice about scholarships targeted to your profile. I entered my younger son's profile. Of course I'm getting a lot of emails from them about various colleges that would like to get #2 son on their mailing list. As well as a couple showing scholarship information. I set up a rule in my Outlook to forward all the Cappex emails to my wife so she could keep an eye on them as well. I created a Cappex folder on her Outlook Express named Cappex. Then I tried to create a rule that would sort those forwarded emails into the Cappex folder on her box. But none of the rules seems to work on the forwarded emails. The Cappex rule is the first one on the list. Further down is a rule that if the email comes from me it goes into the Rocky folder. So far, all my attempts have failed - all of the forwarded mail ends up in her Rocky folder. I tried where the body contains 'Cappex' which they all do, but no luck. I tried in the subject 'college', 'university', or 'scholarship' which they all have, but no cigar. Any ideas on what's going wrong here or how to create a rule that will work? MTIA Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.bchacc.com www.e-z-mrp.com Skype: rocky.smolin _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com This communication and its attachments, if any, may contain confidential and privileged information the use of which by other persons or entities than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you receive this transmission in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete the material from your system. From lembit.soobik at weihenstephan.org Thu Jan 26 12:02:01 2012 From: lembit.soobik at weihenstephan.org (Lembit Soobik) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 19:02:01 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Outlook Express References: Message-ID: > > But none of the rules seems to work on the forwarded emails. The Cappex > rule is the first one on the list. Further down is a rule that if the > email > comes from me it goes into the Rocky folder. So far, all my attempts have > failed - all of the forwarded mail ends up in her Rocky folder. > Rocky, try to put the Rocky-folder rule before the Cappex one. I had a similar problem recently and changing the sequence of rules solved it. Lembit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rocky Smolin" To: "List" ; "'Off Topic'" Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 5:46 PM Subject: [dba-Tech] Outlook Express > Dear Lists: > > I am having trouble creating a mail rule for my wife on her Outlook > Express. > I recently registered with Cappex.com on advice of my older son who is > graduating this year from college. It's a site that sends you advice > about > scholarships targeted to your profile. I entered my younger son's > profile. > Of course I'm getting a lot of emails from them about various colleges > that > would like to get #2 son on their mailing list. As well as a couple > showing > scholarship information. > > I set up a rule in my Outlook to forward all the Cappex emails to my wife > so > she could keep an eye on them as well. I created a Cappex folder on her > Outlook Express named Cappex. Then I tried to create a rule that would > sort > those forwarded emails into the Cappex folder on her box. > > But none of the rules seems to work on the forwarded emails. The Cappex > rule is the first one on the list. Further down is a rule that if the > email > comes from me it goes into the Rocky folder. So far, all my attempts have > failed - all of the forwarded mail ends up in her Rocky folder. > > I tried where the body contains 'Cappex' which they all do, but no luck. > I > tried in the subject 'college', 'university', or 'scholarship' which they > all have, but no cigar. > > Any ideas on what's going wrong here or how to create a rule that will > work? > > MTIA > > Rocky Smolin > Beach Access Software > 858-259-4334 > www.bchacc.com > www.e-z-mrp.com > Skype: rocky.smolin > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Thu Jan 26 13:07:18 2012 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 11:07:18 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Outlook Express In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <66B7768C927944D5B12F1282248C331A@HAL9007> That done it! Don't know why, though. Don't care, actually. :) Problem solved. Thanks Lembit -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lembit Soobik Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 10:02 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Outlook Express > > But none of the rules seems to work on the forwarded emails. The > Cappex rule is the first one on the list. Further down is a rule that > if the email comes from me it goes into the Rocky folder. So far, all > my attempts have failed - all of the forwarded mail ends up in her > Rocky folder. > Rocky, try to put the Rocky-folder rule before the Cappex one. I had a similar problem recently and changing the sequence of rules solved it. Lembit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rocky Smolin" To: "List" ; "'Off Topic'" Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 5:46 PM Subject: [dba-Tech] Outlook Express > Dear Lists: > > I am having trouble creating a mail rule for my wife on her Outlook > Express. > I recently registered with Cappex.com on advice of my older son who is > graduating this year from college. It's a site that sends you advice > about > scholarships targeted to your profile. I entered my younger son's > profile. > Of course I'm getting a lot of emails from them about various colleges > that > would like to get #2 son on their mailing list. As well as a couple > showing > scholarship information. > > I set up a rule in my Outlook to forward all the Cappex emails to my wife > so > she could keep an eye on them as well. I created a Cappex folder on her > Outlook Express named Cappex. Then I tried to create a rule that would > sort > those forwarded emails into the Cappex folder on her box. > > But none of the rules seems to work on the forwarded emails. The Cappex > rule is the first one on the list. Further down is a rule that if the > email > comes from me it goes into the Rocky folder. So far, all my attempts have > failed - all of the forwarded mail ends up in her Rocky folder. > > I tried where the body contains 'Cappex' which they all do, but no luck. > I > tried in the subject 'college', 'university', or 'scholarship' which they > all have, but no cigar. > > Any ideas on what's going wrong here or how to create a rule that will > work? > > MTIA > > Rocky Smolin > Beach Access Software > 858-259-4334 > www.bchacc.com > www.e-z-mrp.com > Skype: rocky.smolin > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Thu Jan 26 14:22:40 2012 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 12:22:40 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Disable software, warns Symantec In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Tsk, tsk... Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tydda Jon - Slough Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 5:44 AM To: Dba-Tech (dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com) Subject: [dba-Tech] Disable software, warns Symantec Symantec advises customers to stop using its pcAnywhere program after stolen source code exposes serious vulnerabilities. View article... Jon ________________________________ This communication and its attachments, if any, may contain confidential and privileged information the use of which by other persons or entities than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you receive this transmission in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete the material from your system. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Thu Jan 26 17:30:46 2012 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 15:30:46 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] UEFI In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: There is still much concern in the Linux community in related to the new UEFI, BIOS replacement hardware. It will be an area within your computer large enough to hold the entire kernel of some versions of Linux and is basically totally protected unless your into hacking hardware. It will be used by Windows to protect whether a Windows on the system has been authenticated and all the drivers are signed. The problems is why is the real reason that Microsoft is so struck on this new system? There are of course a number of different reasons but the reason most often stated is: 1. Blocking of malware in device drivers. That sounds good on the surface but if a upgraded driver is not timely signed by MS, will the system then stop working? Are all software companies that wish to make Windows software then have to go through a Microsoft vetting process? Will there be a charge for this? 2. Guaranteeing that the Windows OS on the hardware is authenticated. It will be interesting to see just how this is managed. If anything goes wrong during the installation or an update process will a call to the help line be the only recourse. Will the upgrading of the PC hardware result in a hard down and again a call to MS? 3. Forcing PCs to only run Windows software and only a certain versions. Will dual boots work or will a virtual drive be the only way to run another OS? Once another OS is installed will that invalidate warranty policies? This type of implementation cripple all but the latest Windows OS? In overview, is this combination of the new Windows OS and the new UEFI meant to make the new PC the private preserve of Windows...much like MAC but without the responsibility of supporting the hardware. Forcing authentication compliance and therefore eliminating coping or pirating and with the added bonus of wiping out all competition. Is this sort of like having your cake and making everyone else eat it? http://tinyurl.com/6sk772e Jim From jon at tydda.plus.com Thu Jan 26 18:10:39 2012 From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2012 00:10:39 -0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Outlook Express In-Reply-To: <66B7768C927944D5B12F1282248C331A@HAL9007> References: <66B7768C927944D5B12F1282248C331A@HAL9007> Message-ID: <4D41E0F59435472EBD4AA0B91AEA683F@jt2c> It's because it processes the rules in order. Unless you tell it not to process any other rules, it'll move it to the Cappex folder, and then move it to the Rocky folder. You'll probably find that anything you send to her will end up in the Cappex folder now. Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: 26 January 2012 19:07 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Outlook Express That done it! Don't know why, though. Don't care, actually. :) Problem solved. Thanks Lembit -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lembit Soobik Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 10:02 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Outlook Express > > But none of the rules seems to work on the forwarded emails. The > Cappex rule is the first one on the list. Further down is a rule that > if the email comes from me it goes into the Rocky folder. So far, all > my attempts have failed - all of the forwarded mail ends up in her > Rocky folder. > Rocky, try to put the Rocky-folder rule before the Cappex one. I had a similar problem recently and changing the sequence of rules solved it. Lembit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rocky Smolin" To: "List" ; "'Off Topic'" Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 5:46 PM Subject: [dba-Tech] Outlook Express > Dear Lists: > > I am having trouble creating a mail rule for my wife on her Outlook > Express. > I recently registered with Cappex.com on advice of my older son who is > graduating this year from college. It's a site that sends you advice > about scholarships targeted to your profile. I entered my younger > son's profile. > Of course I'm getting a lot of emails from them about various colleges > that would like to get #2 son on their mailing list. As well as a > couple showing scholarship information. > > I set up a rule in my Outlook to forward all the Cappex emails to my > wife so she could keep an eye on them as well. I created a Cappex > folder on her Outlook Express named Cappex. Then I tried to create a > rule that would sort those forwarded emails into the Cappex folder on > her box. > > But none of the rules seems to work on the forwarded emails. The > Cappex rule is the first one on the list. Further down is a rule that > if the email comes from me it goes into the Rocky folder. So far, all > my attempts have failed - all of the forwarded mail ends up in her > Rocky folder. > > I tried where the body contains 'Cappex' which they all do, but no luck. > I > tried in the subject 'college', 'university', or 'scholarship' which > they all have, but no cigar. > > Any ideas on what's going wrong here or how to create a rule that will > work? > > MTIA > > Rocky Smolin > Beach Access Software > 858-259-4334 > www.bchacc.com www.e-z-mrp.com > > Skype: rocky.smolin > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From ssharkins at gmail.com Thu Jan 26 18:44:37 2012 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 19:44:37 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Outlook Express References: <66B7768C927944D5B12F1282248C331A@HAL9007> <4D41E0F59435472EBD4AA0B91AEA683F@jt2c> Message-ID: <6508318D000C41359331397BB99E8645@SusanHarkins> Hey Rocky, let us know about this -- this might make a good blog. :) Susan H. > It's because it processes the rules in order. Unless you tell it not to > process any other rules, it'll move it to the Cappex folder, and then move > it to the Rocky folder. You'll probably find that anything you send to her > will end up in the Cappex folder now. > From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Thu Jan 26 19:26:20 2012 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (rockysmolin at bchacc.com) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 18:26:20 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Outlook Express Message-ID: <20120126182620.86c3debdd1c3983866efe200e2feb95f.557b72f261.wbe@email18.secureserver.net> Lembit's solution over on the tech list worked but I don't know why. He said to switch the Cappex rule whch was first, and the RockySmolin rule which was second. That worked. R -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Outlook Express From: "Susan Harkins" Date: Thu, January 26, 2012 5:44 pm To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Hey Rocky, let us know about this -- this might make a good blog. :) Susan H. > It's because it processes the rules in order. Unless you tell it not to > process any other rules, it'll move it to the Cappex folder, and then move > it to the Rocky folder. You'll probably find that anything you send to her > will end up in the Cappex folder now. > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From ssharkins at gmail.com Thu Jan 26 19:30:30 2012 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 20:30:30 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Outlook Express References: <20120126182620.86c3debdd1c3983866efe200e2feb95f.557b72f261.wbe@email18.secureserver.net> Message-ID: <8BF9EBA177FD4A85A68033AA4DF3C415@SusanHarkins> Still using both criteria -- from Rocky with Cappex in the subject? I'm wondering if you even need the From Rocky criteria. Susan H. > > Lembit's solution over on the tech list worked but I don't know why. He > said to switch the Cappex rule whch was first, and the RockySmolin rule > which was second. That worked. > > R > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Outlook Express > From: "Susan Harkins" > Date: Thu, January 26, 2012 5:44 pm > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > > Hey Rocky, let us know about this -- this might make a good blog. :) > > Susan H. > > >> It's because it processes the rules in order. Unless you tell it not to >> process any other rules, it'll move it to the Cappex folder, and then >> move >> it to the Rocky folder. You'll probably find that anything you send to >> her >> will end up in the Cappex folder now. >> > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Thu Jan 26 19:30:04 2012 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (rockysmolin at bchacc.com) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 18:30:04 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Outlook Express Message-ID: <20120126183004.86c3debdd1c3983866efe200e2feb95f.41a31f1309.wbe@email18.secureserver.net> Aha - so I had to set that property that says stop processing rules if ths one applies. I've seen that in Outlook, have to see if it's in Outlook Express as well. R -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Outlook Express From: "Jon Tydda" Date: Thu, January 26, 2012 5:10 pm To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" It's because it processes the rules in order. Unless you tell it not to process any other rules, it'll move it to the Cappex folder, and then move it to the Rocky folder. You'll probably find that anything you send to her will end up in the Cappex folder now. Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: 26 January 2012 19:07 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Outlook Express That done it! Don't know why, though. Don't care, actually. :) Problem solved. Thanks Lembit -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lembit Soobik Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 10:02 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Outlook Express > > But none of the rules seems to work on the forwarded emails. The > Cappex rule is the first one on the list. Further down is a rule that > if the email comes from me it goes into the Rocky folder. So far, all > my attempts have failed - all of the forwarded mail ends up in her > Rocky folder. > Rocky, try to put the Rocky-folder rule before the Cappex one. I had a similar problem recently and changing the sequence of rules solved it. Lembit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rocky Smolin" To: "List" ; "'Off Topic'" Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 5:46 PM Subject: [dba-Tech] Outlook Express > Dear Lists: > > I am having trouble creating a mail rule for my wife on her Outlook > Express. > I recently registered with Cappex.com on advice of my older son who is > graduating this year from college. It's a site that sends you advice > about scholarships targeted to your profile. I entered my younger > son's profile. > Of course I'm getting a lot of emails from them about various colleges > that would like to get #2 son on their mailing list. As well as a > couple showing scholarship information. > > I set up a rule in my Outlook to forward all the Cappex emails to my > wife so she could keep an eye on them as well. I created a Cappex > folder on her Outlook Express named Cappex. Then I tried to create a > rule that would sort those forwarded emails into the Cappex folder on > her box. > > But none of the rules seems to work on the forwarded emails. The > Cappex rule is the first one on the list. Further down is a rule that > if the email comes from me it goes into the Rocky folder. So far, all > my attempts have failed - all of the forwarded mail ends up in her > Rocky folder. > > I tried where the body contains 'Cappex' which they all do, but no luck. > I > tried in the subject 'college', 'university', or 'scholarship' which > they all have, but no cigar. > > Any ideas on what's going wrong here or how to create a rule that will > work? > > MTIA > > Rocky Smolin > Beach Access Software > 858-259-4334 > www.bchacc.com www.e-z-mrp.com > > Skype: rocky.smolin > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Thu Jan 26 19:39:24 2012 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (rockysmolin at bchacc.com) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 18:39:24 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Outlook Express Message-ID: <20120126183924.86c3debdd1c3983866efe200e2feb95f.efd1cf86fb.wbe@email18.secureserver.net> Per Jon f I had checked stop processing rules if this rule sapplies, the original Cappex rule would have worked. R -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Outlook Express From: "Susan Harkins" Date: Thu, January 26, 2012 6:30 pm To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Still using both criteria -- from Rocky with Cappex in the subject? I'm wondering if you even need the From Rocky criteria. Susan H. > > Lembit's solution over on the tech list worked but I don't know why. He > said to switch the Cappex rule whch was first, and the RockySmolin rule > which was second. That worked. > > R > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Outlook Express > From: "Susan Harkins" > Date: Thu, January 26, 2012 5:44 pm > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > > Hey Rocky, let us know about this -- this might make a good blog. :) > > Susan H. > > >> It's because it processes the rules in order. Unless you tell it not to >> process any other rules, it'll move it to the Cappex folder, and then >> move >> it to the Rocky folder. You'll probably find that anything you send to >> her >> will end up in the Cappex folder now. >> > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From ssharkins at gmail.com Thu Jan 26 19:44:14 2012 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 20:44:14 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Outlook Express References: <20120126183924.86c3debdd1c3983866efe200e2feb95f.efd1cf86fb.wbe@email18.secureserver.net> Message-ID: Or, you could've removed the "from Rocky" criteria, if I'm following this correctly. Susan H. > Per Jon f I had checked stop processing rules if this rule sapplies, the > original Cappex rule would have worked. > > Still using both criteria -- from Rocky with Cappex in the subject? I'm > wondering if you even need the From Rocky criteria. > > Susan H. From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Thu Jan 26 20:01:44 2012 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (rockysmolin at bchacc.com) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 19:01:44 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Outlook Express Message-ID: <20120126190144.86c3debdd1c3983866efe200e2feb95f.b2ec6e0b85.wbe@email18.secureserver.net> The cappex rule had only if the word cappex appeared in the body. The RockySmolin rule had only if the message was from Rocky. Because the rocky rule came after the cappex rule, as jon noted, the essage moved to the cappex folder then the next rule moved it to the rocky folder. Lembit's solution of putting the rocky rule first worked because after moving the message to the rocky folder, the cappex rule move it to the cappex folder. but if I had said in the cappex rule to stop processing rules if the cappex rule applied, then the cappex rule, placed before the rocky rule, would have worked. R -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Outlook Express From: "Susan Harkins" Date: Thu, January 26, 2012 6:44 pm To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Or, you could've removed the "from Rocky" criteria, if I'm following this correctly. Susan H. > Per Jon f I had checked stop processing rules if this rule sapplies, the > original Cappex rule would have worked. > > Still using both criteria -- from Rocky with Cappex in the subject? I'm > wondering if you even need the From Rocky criteria. > > Susan H. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Thu Jan 26 20:21:10 2012 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2012 12:21:10 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Outlook Express In-Reply-To: <20120126190144.86c3debdd1c3983866efe200e2feb95f.b2ec6e0b85.wbe@email18.secureserver.net> References: <20120126190144.86c3debdd1c3983866efe200e2feb95f.b2ec6e0b85.wbe@email18.secureserver.net> Message-ID: <4F220A16.26814.14024CF0@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Yep, you have to think about in terms of a simple procedural programming language like the original BASIC. You need a "Stop" or "Goto Fini" inside each "If...End If" block if you don't want any of the following conditions to be processed. -- Stuart On 26 Jan 2012 at 19:01, rockysmolin at bchacc.com wrote: > The cappex rule had only if the word cappex appeared in the body. The > RockySmolin rule had only if the message was from Rocky. Because the > rocky rule came after the cappex rule, as jon noted, the essage moved to > the cappex folder then the next rule moved it to the rocky folder. > > Lembit's solution of putting the rocky rule first worked because after > moving the message to the rocky folder, the cappex rule move it to the > cappex folder. > > but if I had said in the cappex rule to stop processing rules if the > cappex rule applied, then the cappex rule, placed before the rocky rule, > would have worked. > > R > > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Outlook Express > From: "Susan Harkins" > Date: Thu, January 26, 2012 6:44 pm > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > > Or, you could've removed the "from Rocky" criteria, if I'm following > this > correctly. > > Susan H. > > > > Per Jon f I had checked stop processing rules if this rule sapplies, the > > original Cappex rule would have worked. > > > > Still using both criteria -- from Rocky with Cappex in the subject? I'm > > wondering if you even need the From Rocky criteria. > > > > Susan H. > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Stuart McLachlan Ph: +675 340 4392 Mob: +675 7100 2028 Web: http://www.lexacorp.com.pg From ssharkins at gmail.com Fri Jan 27 06:57:55 2012 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2012 07:57:55 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Outlook Express References: <20120126190144.86c3debdd1c3983866efe200e2feb95f.b2ec6e0b85.wbe@email18.secureserver.net> Message-ID: <948B6B5EDBDD492FAD9FBE78F4BAD6F0@SusanHarkins> Okay, I misunderstood the part about the rule stating both conditions. That makes good sense. I think I will write about this -- interesting and an easy error for users to make and have no idea what's wrong. Thanks! Susan H. > The cappex rule had only if the word cappex appeared in the body. The > RockySmolin rule had only if the message was from Rocky. Because the > rocky rule came after the cappex rule, as jon noted, the essage moved to > the cappex folder then the next rule moved it to the rocky folder. > > Lembit's solution of putting the rocky rule first worked because after > moving the message to the rocky folder, the cappex rule move it to the > cappex folder. > > but if I had said in the cappex rule to stop processing rules if the > cappex rule applied, then the cappex rule, placed before the rocky rule, > would have worked. From fuller.artful at gmail.com Fri Jan 27 16:19:08 2012 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2012 17:19:08 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Random signatures Message-ID: Is there any way to store a bunch of signatures and have them selected at random? I'm using gmail, and growing tired of same old sigs. -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. -- Niels Bohr From accessd at shaw.ca Fri Jan 27 16:26:17 2012 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2012 14:26:17 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Random signatures In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Not within Gmail, that I know off. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Friday, January 27, 2012 2:19 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Random signatures Is there any way to store a bunch of signatures and have them selected at random? I'm using gmail, and growing tired of same old sigs. -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. -- Niels Bohr _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sat Jan 28 02:53:20 2012 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2012 03:53:20 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Can't download an MS Samples file Message-ID: The following link appears to do nothing: http://code.msdn.microsoft.com/windowsdesktop/Visual-Studio-2010-Samples-31b491f3 Any advice? -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. -- Niels Bohr From gustav at cactus.dk Sat Jan 28 03:16:54 2012 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2012 10:16:54 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Can't download an MS Samples file Message-ID: Hi Arthur Here it offers download of a 16.5 MB zip file. /gustav >>> fuller.artful at gmail.com 28-01-12 9:53 >>> The following link appears to do nothing: http://code.msdn.microsoft.com/windowsdesktop/Visual-Studio-2010-Samples-31b491f3 Any advice? -- Arthur From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sat Jan 28 03:16:25 2012 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2012 04:16:25 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Can't download an MS Samples file In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Lucky you. Don't know what's wrong. I just tried it again and nada, nada, nada. Thanks for verifying, though. On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 4:16 AM, Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi Arthur > > Here it offers download of a 16.5 MB zip file. > > /gustav > > From garykjos at gmail.com Sat Jan 28 06:15:44 2012 From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2012 06:15:44 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Can't download an MS Samples file In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: What browser? Microsoft pages sometimes need Internet Explorer. On Saturday, January 28, 2012, Arthur Fuller wrote: > The following link appears to do nothing: > > http://code.msdn.microsoft.com/windowsdesktop/Visual-Studio-2010-Samples-31b491f3 > > > Any advice? > > -- > Arthur > Cell: 647.710.1314 > > Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. > -- Niels Bohr > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sat Jan 28 06:48:03 2012 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2012 07:48:03 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Can't download an MS Samples file In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Chrome. I'll give it a shot with IE. Thanks On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 7:15 AM, Gary Kjos wrote: > What browser? Microsoft pages sometimes need Internet Explorer. > -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. -- Niels Bohr From garykjos at gmail.com Sat Jan 28 08:49:23 2012 From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2012 08:49:23 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Can't download an MS Samples file In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: It downloaded OK for me in Firefox. 16.5 MB zip file. I could e-mail it to you if you still can't get it to work. GK On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 6:48 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > Chrome. I'll give it a shot with IE. Thanks > > On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 7:15 AM, Gary Kjos wrote: > >> What browser? Microsoft pages sometimes need Internet Explorer. >> -- > > Arthur > Cell: 647.710.1314 > > Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. > ?-- Niels Bohr > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sat Jan 28 10:16:06 2012 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2012 11:16:06 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Can't download an MS Samples file In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'm not sure that gmail will accept a zip that size, but let's find out. Then I won't have to fork around with alternate browsers. Thanks for the offer. On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 9:49 AM, Gary Kjos wrote: > It downloaded OK for me in Firefox. 16.5 MB zip file. I could e-mail > it to you if you still can't get it to work. > > GK > -- > Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. -- Niels Bohr From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Sat Jan 28 10:27:47 2012 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2012 08:27:47 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Can't download an MS Samples file In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I use YouSendIt.com for that. Free, easy, effective. Been using it to distribute my installables actually. Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2012 8:16 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Can't download an MS Samples file I'm not sure that gmail will accept a zip that size, but let's find out. Then I won't have to fork around with alternate browsers. Thanks for the offer. On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 9:49 AM, Gary Kjos wrote: > It downloaded OK for me in Firefox. 16.5 MB zip file. I could e-mail > it to you if you still can't get it to work. > > GK > -- > Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. -- Niels Bohr _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jon at tydda.plus.com Sat Jan 28 10:45:00 2012 From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda) Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2012 16:45:00 -0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Can't download an MS Samples file In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6CAC0286DE5D424EA8403D1A0FCE60A5@jt2c> It does, someone sent me a 20mb file to my gmail account last night :-) Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: 28 January 2012 16:16 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Can't download an MS Samples file I'm not sure that gmail will accept a zip that size, but let's find out. Then I won't have to fork around with alternate browsers. Thanks for the offer. On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 9:49 AM, Gary Kjos wrote: > It downloaded OK for me in Firefox. 16.5 MB zip file. I could e-mail > it to you if you still can't get it to work. > > GK > -- > Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. -- Niels Bohr _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From tinanfields at torchlake.com Sat Jan 28 10:49:44 2012 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2012 11:49:44 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Can't download an MS Samples file In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4F242728.2040708@torchlake.com> Hi Arthur, It downloaded for me in Firefox. Do you want me to send it over to you? T Tina Norris Fields tinanfields at torchlake.com 231-322-2787 On 1/28/2012 4:16 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > Lucky you. Don't know what's wrong. I just tried it again and nada, nada, > nada. Thanks for verifying, though. > > On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 4:16 AM, Gustav Brock wrote: > >> Hi Arthur >> >> Here it offers download of a 16.5 MB zip file. >> >> /gustav >> >> > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sat Jan 28 10:53:51 2012 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2012 11:53:51 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Can't download an MS Samples file In-Reply-To: <6CAC0286DE5D424EA8403D1A0FCE60A5@jt2c> References: <6CAC0286DE5D424EA8403D1A0FCE60A5@jt2c> Message-ID: Cool! On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 11:45 AM, Jon Tydda wrote: > It does, someone sent me a 20mb file to my gmail account last night :-) > > -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. -- Niels Bohr From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sat Jan 28 10:55:22 2012 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2012 11:55:22 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Can't download an MS Samples file In-Reply-To: References: <6CAC0286DE5D424EA8403D1A0FCE60A5@jt2c> Message-ID: Sure! Thanks! On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 11:53 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > Cool! > > On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 11:45 AM, Jon Tydda wrote: > >> It does, someone sent me a 20mb file to my gmail account last night :-) >> >> -- > > Arthur > Cell: 647.710.1314 > > Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. > -- Niels Bohr > > > -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. -- Niels Bohr