From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Jul 2 06:18:03 2012 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2012 04:18:03 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Java site crash In-Reply-To: References: <44B21A90D0F14610808D447F63BA8BB1@creativesystemdesigns.com><17781B3C51374A72B55864E9C9BEC176@creativesystemdesigns.com><6BFE9A58-E9A8-4AE8-80F5-830E4B70AB13@phulse.com><66E84EF8B7A044F992C15CA2F2A1D468@creativesystemdesigns.com><24E21CF8-C14C-4F6E-9C59-FABBC5B33F52@phulse.com><2D37FEFE7132478381A1D117ED5CFCA5@creativesystemdesigns.com><5546B40F-F912-461C-9412-F4614DC9DA95@phulse.com><575ABE5AA8A94530B68D9E82E037406D@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: As related to me by a senior systems developer, many popular Java sites crash due to a Leap second bug which happened last night as the atomic clocks, world wide jumped a second. Sites using Hadoop and the Apache Cassandra databases were also affected. But many of the larger sites like Google had already anticipated the error and had already morphed that extra second. http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-57464559-93/leap-second-bug-causes-site-sof tware-crashes/ Sites like Mozilla went down and Reddit was still down when last looked. Sites also affected were StumbleUpon, Yelp, FourSquare, and LinkedIn and so on. It appears that this error was well known but many systems did not take the bug seriously. I guess Oracle had better get to work. Jim From fuller.artful at gmail.com Wed Jul 4 12:08:45 2012 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2012 13:08:45 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Word Template for DVD covers Message-ID: A friend of mine constantly drops off copies of movies, with no cover or anything, just strapped together in an elastic band. When I borrow a movie from the library, I scan the cover and print it, and then insert the cover into a blank CD/DVD cover. But for the copies my friend drops off, I cannot do this. So what I'm seeking is a method (Word template perhaps) into which I can type the title and the director and the star(s), and print a cover page for said movie, such that the spine will contain the title and the front page will contain the title, the star(s) and the director. The title must print vertically; the front page horizontally. Anyone got a template like this, or advice on how to build one? TIA, -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. -- Niels Bohr From carbonnb at gmail.com Wed Jul 4 13:18:26 2012 From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell) Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2012 14:18:26 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Word Template for DVD covers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: You can download alot of the DVD covers here: http://www.cdcovers.cc Or just google DVD Cover Template word and you'll get a ton of places to get a template from. B On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 1:08 PM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > A friend of mine constantly drops off copies of movies, with no cover or > anything, just strapped together in an elastic band. When I borrow a movie > from the library, I scan the cover and print it, and then insert the cover > into a blank CD/DVD cover. But for the copies my friend drops off, I cannot > do this. So what I'm seeking is a method (Word template perhaps) into which > I can type the title and the director and the star(s), and print a cover > page for said movie, such that the spine will contain the title and the > front page will contain the title, the star(s) and the director. The title > must print vertically; the front page horizontally. > > Anyone got a template like this, or advice on how to build one? > > TIA, > > -- > Arthur > Cell: 647.710.1314 > > Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. > -- Niels Bohr > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "What a great ride!" From tinanfields at torchlake.com Wed Jul 4 13:55:22 2012 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2012 14:55:22 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Word Template for DVD covers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4FF4919A.6090205@torchlake.com> Hi Arthur, I did some hunting for you on this. Here's one on this page, that I remember I downloaded and modified for a CD I made as a Christmas gift: http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/templates/cd-jewel-case-label-TC006087298.aspx This one offers blank templates that look good, but so far, I keep getting a gateway timeout when I try to actually download one of them: http://www.labelcd.com/downloads/downloads_blank_word.html#sec1 Searching the Avery site turned up some possibilities, too: http://www.avery.com/avery/en_us/Search/?dimsearch=false&N=0&Ntk=SoftwareAndTemplate&Ntx=mode+matchall&Nty=0&Nr=SITESCHANNELS:Avery.com:Templates+%26+Software:Templates&Ns=Rank|0&Ntt=8693&int_id=averyproduct-viewtemplates-8693 Here's another page of Microsoft templates: http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/templates/CT010144468.aspx I hope this helps, T Tina Norris Fields tinanfields at torchlake.com 231-322-2787 On 7/4/2012 1:08 PM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > A friend of mine constantly drops off copies of movies, with no cover or > anything, just strapped together in an elastic band. When I borrow a movie > from the library, I scan the cover and print it, and then insert the cover > into a blank CD/DVD cover. But for the copies my friend drops off, I cannot > do this. So what I'm seeking is a method (Word template perhaps) into which > I can type the title and the director and the star(s), and print a cover > page for said movie, such that the spine will contain the title and the > front page will contain the title, the star(s) and the director. The title > must print vertically; the front page horizontally. > > Anyone got a template like this, or advice on how to build one? > > TIA, > From fuller.artful at gmail.com Wed Jul 4 16:41:11 2012 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2012 17:41:11 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Word Template for DVD covers In-Reply-To: <4FF4919A.6090205@torchlake.com> References: <4FF4919A.6090205@torchlake.com> Message-ID: Thanks, Tina. I'll check them all out. A. On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 2:55 PM, Tina Norris Fields < tinanfields at torchlake.com> wrote: > Hi Arthur, > > I did some hunting for you on this. > > From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Wed Jul 4 17:43:04 2012 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2012 08:43:04 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Word Template for DVD covers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4FF4C6F8.26947.27C3455@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> The first of 1,5000,000 hits when I googled "cd cover word template" was the MS Template library with lots of them available for download: http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/templates/CT010144468.aspx -- Stuart On 4 Jul 2012 at 13:08, Arthur Fuller wrote: > A friend of mine constantly drops off copies of movies, with no cover or > anything, just strapped together in an elastic band. When I borrow a movie > from the library, I scan the cover and print it, and then insert the cover > into a blank CD/DVD cover. But for the copies my friend drops off, I cannot > do this. So what I'm seeking is a method (Word template perhaps) into which > I can type the title and the director and the star(s), and print a cover > page for said movie, such that the spine will contain the title and the > front page will contain the title, the star(s) and the director. The title > must print vertically; the front page horizontally. > > Anyone got a template like this, or advice on how to build one? > > TIA, > > -- > Arthur > Cell: 647.710.1314 > > Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. > -- Niels Bohr > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From accessd at shaw.ca Thu Jul 5 11:55:14 2012 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2012 09:55:14 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Smartphones will soon have Jelly Bean In-Reply-To: <4FF4919A.6090205@torchlake.com> References: <4FF4919A.6090205@torchlake.com> Message-ID: <882707CC1CC84D589F1D05A575656296@creativesystemdesigns.com> Whether the assertions of the article's writer are true or otherwise is not the principle point of the post. It is that all Android Smartphone and tablet users will have access to an excellent SIRI like information system. http://www.businessinsider.com/google-now-better-than-siri-2012-7 I would suspect that Google would and could produce such a system as their whole business is designed around hyper fast search engines. Jim From accessd at shaw.ca Thu Jul 5 12:04:53 2012 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2012 10:04:53 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] We exist In-Reply-To: <4FF4919A.6090205@torchlake.com> References: <4FF4919A.6090205@torchlake.com> Message-ID: What appears to be the definitive proof that Higgs Boson particle does exist and now so do we...at least mathematically. http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2012/07/higgs-boson-discovery/ It is comforting to know and now another cup of coffee. Jim From ssharkins at gmail.com Fri Jul 6 07:37:52 2012 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2012 08:37:52 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Excel corruption Message-ID: <486AEA9F76764505A058970F2391D807@SusanHarkins> Do any of you have a positive experience with any data-recovering software that works well with Excel? I've got a miserable reader that I think is just out of luck, but thought I'd try to help. Susan H. From tinanfields at torchlake.com Fri Jul 6 08:11:19 2012 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2012 09:11:19 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Excel corruption In-Reply-To: <486AEA9F76764505A058970F2391D807@SusanHarkins> References: <486AEA9F76764505A058970F2391D807@SusanHarkins> Message-ID: <4FF6E3F7.2080004@torchlake.com> I managed to recover the data once from an Excel file that was left in the open state when its owner removed the floppy disk it resided on from the drive, then turned off the computer. So, we're talking back in the DOS and early Windows days. Trying now to remember what I did - seems to me I changed its extension and forced it into something like a text editor, then copied and pasted the bits of data into another fresh Excel spreadsheet. It was time-consuming, but it did save the entire price-list of the store. I got $100 for the effort, plus free ice cream for a couple of years. I hope somebody else on the list has something better to offer. T Tina Norris Fields tinanfields at torchlake.com 231-322-2787 On 7/6/2012 8:37 AM, Susan Harkins wrote: > Do any of you have a positive experience with any data-recovering software that works well with Excel? I've got a miserable reader that I think is just out of luck, but thought I'd try to help. > > Susan H. > From ssharkins at gmail.com Fri Jul 6 08:23:52 2012 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2012 09:23:52 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Excel corruption References: <486AEA9F76764505A058970F2391D807@SusanHarkins> <4FF6E3F7.2080004@torchlake.com> Message-ID: <2EE7981BC83144D3880FD092A87F07A6@SusanHarkins> Actually, that's pretty cool Tina. :) Susan H. >I managed to recover the data once from an Excel file that was left in > the open state when its owner removed the floppy disk it resided on from > the drive, then turned off the computer. So, we're talking back in the > DOS and early Windows days. Trying now to remember what I did - seems > to me I changed its extension and forced it into something like a text > editor, then copied and pasted the bits of data into another fresh Excel > spreadsheet. It was time-consuming, but it did save the entire > price-list of the store. I got $100 for the effort, plus free ice cream > for a couple of years. I hope somebody else on the list has something > better to offer. > T > From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Fri Jul 6 08:28:46 2012 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2012 23:28:46 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Excel corruption In-Reply-To: <4FF6E3F7.2080004@torchlake.com> References: <486AEA9F76764505A058970F2391D807@SusanHarkins>, <4FF6E3F7.2080004@torchlake.com> Message-ID: <4FF6E80E.15159.23ED286@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> .xlsx files are actually collections of zip compressed XML files. If it is a .xlsx file, you can try renaming the file to .zip, opening the file with something like Winzip and viewing/editting/saving the XML files with an XML editor such as XML Notepad. -- Stuart On 6 Jul 2012 at 9:11, Tina Norris Fields wrote: > I managed to recover the data once from an Excel file that was left in > the open state when its owner removed the floppy disk it resided on from > the drive, then turned off the computer. So, we're talking back in the > DOS and early Windows days. Trying now to remember what I did - seems > to me I changed its extension and forced it into something like a text > editor, then copied and pasted the bits of data into another fresh Excel > spreadsheet. It was time-consuming, but it did save the entire > price-list of the store. I got $100 for the effort, plus free ice cream > for a couple of years. I hope somebody else on the list has something > better to offer. > T > > Tina Norris Fields > tinanfields at torchlake.com > 231-322-2787 > > On 7/6/2012 8:37 AM, Susan Harkins wrote: > > Do any of you have a positive experience with any data-recovering software that works well with Excel? I've got a miserable reader that I think is just out of luck, but thought I'd try to help. > > > > Susan H. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From accessd at shaw.ca Fri Jul 6 15:09:14 2012 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2012 13:09:14 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Excel corruption In-Reply-To: <486AEA9F76764505A058970F2391D807@SusanHarkins> References: <486AEA9F76764505A058970F2391D807@SusanHarkins> Message-ID: Can the corrupt spreadsheet be exported to a csv file? Have been able to find and fix some corrupted files viewing and editing such a format...at least it will isolate the corruption location. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Friday, July 06, 2012 5:38 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Excel corruption Do any of you have a positive experience with any data-recovering software that works well with Excel? I've got a miserable reader that I think is just out of luck, but thought I'd try to help. Susan H. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Sat Jul 7 11:23:37 2012 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2012 09:23:37 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] A new/old trojan is making the rounds In-Reply-To: <4FF6E80E.15159.23ED286@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <486AEA9F76764505A058970F2391D807@SusanHarkins>, <4FF6E3F7.2080004@torchlake.com> <4FF6E80E.15159.23ED286@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: A new and relatively old Trojan, has been giving a fresh coat of paint and back out in public doing the rounds. One client called a couple of days ago about problems with their outgoing connections. We finally checked the DNS and noticed it had been hacked. We fixed it but it took a good part of an afternoon to completely clean up. Here is a site that has a detector for the product: http://www.dcwg.org/detect/ It was recommended by Vipre so it should be good. Wished I had that a couple of days ago. Jim From df.waters at comcast.net Sat Jul 7 13:24:25 2012 From: df.waters at comcast.net (Dan Waters) Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2012 13:24:25 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] A new/old trojan is making the rounds In-Reply-To: References: <486AEA9F76764505A058970F2391D807@SusanHarkins>, <4FF6E3F7.2080004@torchlake.com> <4FF6E80E.15159.23ED286@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <001401cd5c6d$bd6361d0$382a2570$@comcast.net> Hi Jim, What anti-virus program were they running that missed this Trojan? Dan -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2012 11:24 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] A new/old trojan is making the rounds A new and relatively old Trojan, has been giving a fresh coat of paint and back out in public doing the rounds. One client called a couple of days ago about problems with their outgoing connections. We finally checked the DNS and noticed it had been hacked. We fixed it but it took a good part of an afternoon to completely clean up. Here is a site that has a detector for the product: http://www.dcwg.org/detect/ It was recommended by Vipre so it should be good. Wished I had that a couple of days ago. Jim _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Sat Jul 7 20:10:36 2012 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2012 18:10:36 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] A new/old trojan is making the rounds In-Reply-To: <001401cd5c6d$bd6361d0$382a2570$@comcast.net> References: <486AEA9F76764505A058970F2391D807@SusanHarkins>, <4FF6E3F7.2080004@torchlake.com> <4FF6E80E.15159.23ED286@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <001401cd5c6d$bd6361d0$382a2570$@comcast.net> Message-ID: I didn't catch that either. ;-) Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2012 11:24 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] A new/old trojan is making the rounds Hi Jim, What anti-virus program were they running that missed this Trojan? Dan -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2012 11:24 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] A new/old trojan is making the rounds A new and relatively old Trojan, has been giving a fresh coat of paint and back out in public doing the rounds. One client called a couple of days ago about problems with their outgoing connections. We finally checked the DNS and noticed it had been hacked. We fixed it but it took a good part of an afternoon to completely clean up. Here is a site that has a detector for the product: http://www.dcwg.org/detect/ It was recommended by Vipre so it should be good. Wished I had that a couple of days ago. Jim _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Sun Jul 8 20:11:28 2012 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2012 18:11:28 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Wireless Router Opinions Message-ID: <3E4B034D04CD44E6A2715829107A377B@HAL9007> Dear Lists: The wireless side of my wireless router is going south on me. Wired ports are fine. Wireless comes in, drops out at random (Seems they don't last more the 3 years or so...) Anywho, I'm on hold with Staples right now to see what's in stock - I gave the tech 5 routers to see if they have one on the shelf: Netgear N150, Belkin N300, Netgear N300, Linksys E1200 Cisco Valet + They're all between $35 and $50 - so it doesn't pay to really shop around or drive anywhere. Oops, only got the Netgear N300 on the shelf but it get 4.5 out of 5 stars from customer reviews on the Staples site. Any opinions? MTIA Rocky From accessd at shaw.ca Sun Jul 8 21:18:37 2012 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2012 19:18:37 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Wireless Router Opinions In-Reply-To: <3E4B034D04CD44E6A2715829107A377B@HAL9007> References: <3E4B034D04CD44E6A2715829107A377B@HAL9007> Message-ID: Check the following list out: http://wireless-router-review.toptenreviews.com/ Linksys E1200 has the highest rating. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2012 6:11 PM To: List; 'Off Topic' Subject: [dba-Tech] Wireless Router Opinions Dear Lists: The wireless side of my wireless router is going south on me. Wired ports are fine. Wireless comes in, drops out at random (Seems they don't last more the 3 years or so...) Anywho, I'm on hold with Staples right now to see what's in stock - I gave the tech 5 routers to see if they have one on the shelf: Netgear N150, Belkin N300, Netgear N300, Linksys E1200 Cisco Valet + They're all between $35 and $50 - so it doesn't pay to really shop around or drive anywhere. Oops, only got the Netgear N300 on the shelf but it get 4.5 out of 5 stars from customer reviews on the Staples site. Any opinions? MTIA Rocky _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Sun Jul 8 22:46:40 2012 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2012 13:46:40 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Wireless Router Opinions In-Reply-To: References: <3E4B034D04CD44E6A2715829107A377B@HAL9007>, Message-ID: <4FFA5420.24384.F9CEACD@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Yep, I stick with the Cisco Linksys E series for SOHO. I've probably installed well over 100 in the last couple of years and never had a problem with one yet. -- Stuart On 8 Jul 2012 at 19:18, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Check the following list out: > http://wireless-router-review.toptenreviews.com/ > > Linksys E1200 has the highest rating. > > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin > Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2012 6:11 PM > To: List; 'Off Topic' > Subject: [dba-Tech] Wireless Router Opinions > > Dear Lists: > > The wireless side of my wireless router is going south on me. Wired ports > are fine. Wireless comes in, drops out at random (Seems they don't last > more the 3 years or so...) > > Anywho, I'm on hold with Staples right now to see what's in stock - I gave > the tech 5 routers to see if they have one on the shelf: > > Netgear N150, > Belkin N300, > Netgear N300, > Linksys E1200 > Cisco Valet + > > They're all between $35 and $50 - so it doesn't pay to really shop around or > drive anywhere. > > Oops, only got the Netgear N300 on the shelf but it get 4.5 out of 5 stars > from customer reviews on the Staples site. > > Any opinions? > > MTIA > > Rocky > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Sun Jul 8 22:54:40 2012 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2012 13:54:40 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Wireless Router Opinions In-Reply-To: <4FFA5420.24384.F9CEACD@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <3E4B034D04CD44E6A2715829107A377B@HAL9007>, , <4FFA5420.24384.F9CEACD@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <4FFA5600.12715.FA43E59@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> I should add - don't use the CD that comes with them for configuration. it's a real PITA and instals all sorts of cr*p on your PC. Just hook it up, point your browser at 192.168.1.1, log in as admin/admin and use the browser interface to configure everything. -- Stuart On 9 Jul 2012 at 13:46, Stuart McLachlan wrote: > Yep, > > I stick with the Cisco Linksys E series for SOHO. I've probably installed well over 100 in the > last couple of years and never had a problem with one yet. > > -- > Stuart > > On 8 Jul 2012 at 19:18, Jim Lawrence wrote: > > > Check the following list out: > > http://wireless-router-review.toptenreviews.com/ > > > > Linksys E1200 has the highest rating. > > > > Jim > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin > > Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2012 6:11 PM > > To: List; 'Off Topic' > > Subject: [dba-Tech] Wireless Router Opinions > > > > Dear Lists: > > > > The wireless side of my wireless router is going south on me. Wired ports > > are fine. Wireless comes in, drops out at random (Seems they don't last > > more the 3 years or so...) > > > > Anywho, I'm on hold with Staples right now to see what's in stock - I gave > > the tech 5 routers to see if they have one on the shelf: > > > > Netgear N150, > > Belkin N300, > > Netgear N300, > > Linksys E1200 > > Cisco Valet + > > > > They're all between $35 and $50 - so it doesn't pay to really shop around or > > drive anywhere. > > > > Oops, only got the Netgear N300 on the shelf but it get 4.5 out of 5 stars > > from customer reviews on the Staples site. > > > > Any opinions? > > > > MTIA > > > > Rocky > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From marklbreen at gmail.com Mon Jul 9 11:29:11 2012 From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen) Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 17:29:11 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Raspberry Pi arrived today Message-ID: Hello All, Great news, my Raspberry Pi arrived today. Would love to stop work and play with it, but better not. Amazing to see it really works, showed the entire family (wife, daughter 13, twins 10) 13 year old daughter stayed to look for a few mins, the rest gave it a cursory look and left. I think it is great anyway. Anyone else here got one or getting one ? Mark From tinanfields at torchlake.com Mon Jul 9 13:49:08 2012 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2012 14:49:08 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Raspberry Pi arrived today In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4FFB27A4.4060406@torchlake.com> Mine is on order. T Tina Norris Fields tinanfields at torchlake.com 231-322-2787 On 7/9/2012 12:29 PM, Mark Breen wrote: > Hello All, > > Great news, my Raspberry Pi arrived today. > > Would love to stop work and play with it, but better not. > > Amazing to see it really works, showed the entire family (wife, daughter > 13, twins 10) 13 year old daughter stayed to look for a few mins, the rest > gave it a cursory look and left. > > I think it is great anyway. > > Anyone else here got one or getting one ? > > Mark > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Tue Jul 10 10:18:33 2012 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2012 08:18:33 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] Wireless Router Opinions In-Reply-To: References: <3E4B034D04CD44E6A2715829107A377B@HAL9007><22550C84EC2A4372BF24D8BB79A9C8C2@HAL9007> Message-ID: <30C6C40EA1504B18B67F43D93E24E256@HAL9007> So I downloaded a wireless viewer and I see that I'm on channel 6 along with one other network. There is one on channel 9 and 4 on channel one. My RSSI is -18 - the other channel 6 RSSI is -82 - pretty weak - as is the channel 9 guy. The four channel 1 networks' RSSI ranges from -70 to -90. However, watching my RSSI I see that it drops to -70 from time to time. Another metric here is the Last signal as a percent - and mine is 95-100% but drops to 60% occasionally for a couple seconds and then returns to 95-100%. Could that be an indication that the wireless circuitry in the router is getting shaky or is that coming from outside? Any clues here? TIA Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-ot-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-ot-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Francisco Tapia Sent: Monday, July 09, 2012 3:03 PM To: Off Topic Subject: Re: [dba-OT] Wireless Router Opinions Rocky, Let me throw in my 2cents. I like my wifi access at home, I hate it that in the past I would try to push large amounts of data (2gb+ of data) and the network would drop out or that it could take 45min plus just to transmit... I like my data and I like it now. :) with that being said I think that buying some of the items on the list are an equivalent to dumping your money down the garbage. this router is the n53u version of my router... http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833320088 it's dualband so you will get great speeds on both the 2.4ghz band (for a,b, g and n) and you will also be able to power through on a 5ghz product w/o any issues. One major problem on why people go out and buy a new wifi router is because the wifi performance is generally bad. It is worth your time to look into a wifi analyzer to help in this area. Look into the problems in your neighborhood, make sure you are not being stepped over by your neighbor, there are only really 3 channels on the 2.4ghz spectrum 1, 6 and 11. your router should be on 1, 6 or 11 with the least amount of interference from your neighbors. If you are on channel 1 and so is your neighbor, buying a new router will not fix this unless you buy a more powerful router that emits more energy, but really it's a short term solution because your neighbor will just endup doing the same thing. but if you check your signals and choose a clear channel both your neighbor and you will benefit. if you have an android phone you can download the free wifi analyzer tool http://www.appbrain.com/app/wifi-analyzer/com.farproc.wifi.analyzer also note: if you are sharing a 2.4ghz between a,b,g, and n devices that channel will slow down to the slowest device so if you are running any 802.11b devices, damn it get a usb dongle that bumps them up to 2.4ghz n (or at least g) that will also help boost your overall speeds and reliability. but if you're going to spend money, I'd spend it on the asus product. I've had so much hit and miss with the netgear products that I never refer to them as the N300 or the N600, but specifically by the model numbers like the late wndr3700 v1 which was a beast of a beauty :) lot's of luck to you! -Francisco http://bit.ly/sqlthis | Tsql and More... #LetAppleKnow You want your iPhone 4 Features, turn by turn Navigation! https://plus.google.com/112803888444646122406/posts/HmQej9pHZQM On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 1:56 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > Nice. But looks like more router than I need at home. > > R > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-ot-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-ot-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos > Sent: Monday, July 09, 2012 1:05 PM > To: Off Topic > Subject: Re: [dba-OT] Wireless Router Opinions > > Just got this link from CNET on "5 Game Changing Wireless Routers" > > > http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-3132_7-57382096-98/top-5-wireless-routers > -home- > networking-evolved/?tag=nl.e404 382096-98/top-5-wireless-routers-home-%0Anetworking-evolved/?tag=nl.e4 > 04> > > > > On Sun, Jul 8, 2012 at 8:11 PM, Rocky Smolin > wrote: > > > Dear Lists: > > > > The wireless side of my wireless router is going south on me. Wired > > ports are fine. Wireless comes in, drops out at random (Seems they > > don't last more the 3 years or so...) > > > > Anywho, I'm on hold with Staples right now to see what's in stock - > > I gave the tech 5 routers to see if they have one on the shelf: > > > > Netgear N150, > > Belkin N300, > > Netgear N300, > > Linksys E1200 > > Cisco Valet + > > > > They're all between $35 and $50 - so it doesn't pay to really shop > > around or drive anywhere. > > > > Oops, only got the Netgear N300 on the shelf but it get 4.5 out of 5 > > stars from customer reviews on the Staples site. > > > > Any opinions? > > > > MTIA > > > > Rocky > > > > > _______________________________________________ dba-OT mailing list dba-OT at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-ot Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accesspro at cox.net Tue Jul 10 12:04:27 2012 From: accesspro at cox.net (ap cx) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2012 10:04:27 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Wireless Router Opinions In-Reply-To: <3E4B034D04CD44E6A2715829107A377B@HAL9007> References: <3E4B034D04CD44E6A2715829107A377B@HAL9007> Message-ID: I also use and recommend Linksys. Remembering your home topography, I would recommend more capable unit than the 1200. I too use the droid app w my tablet to keep up w different wireless networks. Great for my home entertainment installs. Of course, it could have something to do w Comic Con .... Bob Heygood -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2012 6:11 PM To: List; 'Off Topic' Subject: [dba-Tech] Wireless Router Opinions Dear Lists: The wireless side of my wireless router is going south on me. Wired ports are fine. Wireless comes in, drops out at random (Seems they don't last more the 3 years or so...) Anywho, I'm on hold with Staples right now to see what's in stock - I gave the tech 5 routers to see if they have one on the shelf: Netgear N150, Belkin N300, Netgear N300, Linksys E1200 Cisco Valet + They're all between $35 and $50 - so it doesn't pay to really shop around or drive anywhere. Oops, only got the Netgear N300 on the shelf but it get 4.5 out of 5 stars from customer reviews on the Staples site. Any opinions? MTIA Rocky _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accesspro at cox.net Tue Jul 10 15:44:23 2012 From: accesspro at cox.net (ap cx) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2012 13:44:23 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Wireless Router Opinions In-Reply-To: <3E4B034D04CD44E6A2715829107A377B@HAL9007> References: <3E4B034D04CD44E6A2715829107A377B@HAL9007> Message-ID: <35A2FD8445204D06B21F3E179891ACAC@Seven> I also use and recommend Linksys. Remembering your home topography, I would recommend more capable unit than the 1200. I too use the droid app w my tablet to keep up w different wireless networks. Great for my home entertainment installs. Of course, it could have something to do w Comic Con .... Bob Heygood -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2012 6:11 PM To: List; 'Off Topic' Subject: [dba-Tech] Wireless Router Opinions Dear Lists: The wireless side of my wireless router is going south on me. Wired ports are fine. Wireless comes in, drops out at random (Seems they don't last more the 3 years or so...) Anywho, I'm on hold with Staples right now to see what's in stock - I gave the tech 5 routers to see if they have one on the shelf: Netgear N150, Belkin N300, Netgear N300, Linksys E1200 Cisco Valet + They're all between $35 and $50 - so it doesn't pay to really shop around or drive anywhere. Oops, only got the Netgear N300 on the shelf but it get 4.5 out of 5 stars from customer reviews on the Staples site. Any opinions? MTIA Rocky _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Tue Jul 10 16:08:21 2012 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2012 14:08:21 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] Wireless Router Opinions In-Reply-To: References: <3E4B034D04CD44E6A2715829107A377B@HAL9007><22550C84EC2A4372BF24D8BB79A9C8C2@HAL9007><30C6C40EA1504B18B67F43D93E24E256@HAL9007> Message-ID: <353F2EE19D624C89BB2189C32C84B199@HAL9007> I switched to channel 11. So far Max has been on for about 4 hours - no problem. That might be the answer. Thanks for all the input. Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-ot-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-ot-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Francisco Tapia Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2012 8:49 AM To: Off Topic Cc: List Subject: Re: [dba-OT] Wireless Router Opinions anytime you have anybody on your own channel, that is an automatic interference, and the reason you see the drop is just the two networks working out their error correction to try to mitigate each other. since it sounds like the majority of your neighbors are on channel 1 and 6 I would move your channel to channel 11. >From your description: channel 1 = 4 ssids channel 6 = neighbor channel 9 = neighbor *weak So the way these things span out you will have some interference from the channel 9 guy, but it will be a lot less then someone directly on your channel. I would expect to see a signal performance improvement. But that wont take away any other interference if you may have such as 2.4ghz wireless phones in your home. hth -Francisco http://bit.ly/sqlthis | Tsql and More... #LetAppleKnow You want your iPhone 4 Features, turn by turn Navigation! https://plus.google.com/112803888444646122406/posts/HmQej9pHZQM On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 8:18 AM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > So I downloaded a wireless viewer and I see that I'm on channel 6 > along with one other network. There is one on channel 9 and 4 on > channel one. > > My RSSI is -18 - the other channel 6 RSSI is -82 - pretty weak - as is > the channel 9 guy. The four channel 1 networks' RSSI ranges from -70 to -90. > > However, watching my RSSI I see that it drops to -70 from time to time. > Another metric here is the Last signal as a percent - and mine is > 95-100% but drops to 60% occasionally for a couple seconds and then > returns to 95-100%. > > Could that be an indication that the wireless circuitry in the router > is getting shaky or is that coming from outside? > > Any clues here? > > TIA > > Rocky > > > _______________________________________________ dba-OT mailing list dba-OT at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-ot Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From marklbreen at gmail.com Wed Jul 11 04:10:45 2012 From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 10:10:45 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Raspberry Pi arrived today In-Reply-To: <4FFB27A4.4060406@torchlake.com> References: <4FFB27A4.4060406@torchlake.com> Message-ID: Hello Tina and Friends, just to let you all know that last night myself and brother installed mySQL on the raspberry Pi. I then created a customers table and inserted 1M records into it, I then ran queries against it and all worked well. It was slower than my overclocked i7, but it is quieter also! We then installed apache and browsed to it - a raspberry as a web server. Then Stephen installed squid and I set it as my proxy server and it was proxying all my traffic. At one point, I had three terminal sessions open, running a group by query, it was proxying live traffic and all without a hiccup. It is not great running it's browser, that is very slow. Stephen also installed Chromium and that was no better. In fact, with browsers and youtube open, we had to poweroff because it became too slow to use. It has some educational programming software, but I have not looked at that yet. I have to say, it is a wonderful device. Mark On 9 July 2012 19:49, Tina Norris Fields wrote: > Mine is on order. > T > > Tina Norris Fields > tinanfields at torchlake.com > 231-322-2787 > > > On 7/9/2012 12:29 PM, Mark Breen wrote: > >> Hello All, >> >> Great news, my Raspberry Pi arrived today. >> >> Would love to stop work and play with it, but better not. >> >> Amazing to see it really works, showed the entire family (wife, daughter >> 13, twins 10) 13 year old daughter stayed to look for a few mins, the rest >> gave it a cursory look and left. >> >> I think it is great anyway. >> >> Anyone else here got one or getting one ? >> >> Mark >> ______________________________**_________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com >> >> > > ______________________________**_________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com > From accessd at shaw.ca Sat Jul 14 06:14:35 2012 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2012 04:14:35 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Raspberry Pi arrived today In-Reply-To: References: <4FFB27A4.4060406@torchlake.com> Message-ID: <27A87598DEE64E1F91CF1EDE69A59B99@creativesystemdesigns.com> Impressive. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 2:11 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Raspberry Pi arrived today Hello Tina and Friends, just to let you all know that last night myself and brother installed mySQL on the raspberry Pi. I then created a customers table and inserted 1M records into it, I then ran queries against it and all worked well. It was slower than my overclocked i7, but it is quieter also! We then installed apache and browsed to it - a raspberry as a web server. Then Stephen installed squid and I set it as my proxy server and it was proxying all my traffic. At one point, I had three terminal sessions open, running a group by query, it was proxying live traffic and all without a hiccup. It is not great running it's browser, that is very slow. Stephen also installed Chromium and that was no better. In fact, with browsers and youtube open, we had to poweroff because it became too slow to use. It has some educational programming software, but I have not looked at that yet. I have to say, it is a wonderful device. Mark On 9 July 2012 19:49, Tina Norris Fields wrote: > Mine is on order. > T > > Tina Norris Fields > tinanfields at torchlake.com > 231-322-2787 > > > On 7/9/2012 12:29 PM, Mark Breen wrote: > >> Hello All, >> >> Great news, my Raspberry Pi arrived today. >> >> Would love to stop work and play with it, but better not. >> >> Amazing to see it really works, showed the entire family (wife, daughter >> 13, twins 10) 13 year old daughter stayed to look for a few mins, the rest >> gave it a cursory look and left. >> >> I think it is great anyway. >> >> Anyone else here got one or getting one ? >> >> Mark >> ______________________________**_________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com >> >> > > ______________________________**_________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Sat Jul 14 06:16:29 2012 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2012 04:16:29 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Browsers In-Reply-To: References: <4FFB27A4.4060406@torchlake.com> Message-ID: <8A8D93FF74284656AB0B5F3C7C0B0CE4@creativesystemdesigns.com> Somedays building web pages feels like the following: https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/418043_410282238987247_ 1588733661_n.jpg Jim From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Sat Jul 14 08:59:58 2012 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2012 23:59:58 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Browsers In-Reply-To: <8A8D93FF74284656AB0B5F3C7C0B0CE4@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: , , <8A8D93FF74284656AB0B5F3C7C0B0CE4@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <50017B5E.23865.2B8E394C@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Absolutely! :-) On 14 Jul 2012 at 4:16, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Somedays building web pages feels like the following: > > https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/418043_410282238987247_ > 1588733661_n.jpg > > Jim > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From hans.andersen at phulse.com Sun Jul 15 01:51:37 2012 From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen) Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2012 23:51:37 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Browsers In-Reply-To: <8A8D93FF74284656AB0B5F3C7C0B0CE4@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <4FFB27A4.4060406@torchlake.com> <8A8D93FF74284656AB0B5F3C7C0B0CE4@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <42E9E1FD-94A8-4E50-AF9E-6B72E22392EC@phulse.com> That was worthy of a good chuckle :) Hans On 2012-07-14, at 4:16 AM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Somedays building web pages feels like the following: > > https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/418043_410282238987247_ > 1588733661_n.jpg > > Jim > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From peter.brawley at earthlink.net Sun Jul 15 23:45:21 2012 From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley) Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2012 23:45:21 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Wireless Router Opinions In-Reply-To: <4FFA5420.24384.F9CEACD@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <3E4B034D04CD44E6A2715829107A377B@HAL9007>, <4FFA5420.24384.F9CEACD@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <50039C61.9070907@earthlink.net> On 2012-07-08 10:46 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote: > Yep, > > I stick with the Cisco Linksys E series for SOHO. I've probably installed well over 100 in the > last couple of years and never had a problem with one yet. > Nope, http://www.infoworld.com/d/data-center/cisco-shows-true-face-in-ugly-bait-and-switch-197074 PB From hans.andersen at phulse.com Mon Jul 16 01:03:41 2012 From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen) Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2012 23:03:41 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Wireless Router Opinions In-Reply-To: <50039C61.9070907@earthlink.net> References: <3E4B034D04CD44E6A2715829107A377B@HAL9007> <4FFA5420.24384.F9CEACD@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <50039C61.9070907@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <98CC0A5E-8DE2-48B4-940E-F1B128DCFCA3@phulse.com> Heard about this on Security Now recently as well. This is truly disturbing and I'm not sure I'd ever trust Cisco anymore. - Hans Sent from my iPhone On 2012-07-15, at 9:45 PM, Peter Brawley wrote: > > On 2012-07-08 10:46 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote: >> Yep, >> >> I stick with the Cisco Linksys E series for SOHO. I've probably installed well over 100 in the >> last couple of years and never had a problem with one yet. >> > Nope, http://www.infoworld.com/d/data-center/cisco-shows-true-face-in-ugly-bait-and-switch-197074 > > PB > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Jul 16 02:49:08 2012 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 00:49:08 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Wireless Router Opinions In-Reply-To: <50039C61.9070907@earthlink.net> References: <3E4B034D04CD44E6A2715829107A377B@HAL9007>, <4FFA5420.24384.F9CEACD@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <50039C61.9070907@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <8B04413DACB64445A5AF394634358E42@creativesystemdesigns.com> Wow, scary. Over the last five years I have installed dozens (hundreds) or Cisco router and switches in many large businesses. If this policy has been extending to these corporate groups, Insurance companies, Investment houses, Government branches and numerous banks then there will be hell to pay when they become fully aware. This article is fairly new. If a company like Cisco has the "balls" to pull off such a stunt maybe other router manufacturers might have also found the huge potential profits too tempting too pass up and could just quietly proceed hoping to stay under the radar as re-routing of data would be almost impossible to track or even become aware of. Maybe it time to start seriously considering acquiring a router than can have its OS rewritten by one of the many OSS router applications out there? Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Peter Brawley Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2012 9:45 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Wireless Router Opinions On 2012-07-08 10:46 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote: > Yep, > > I stick with the Cisco Linksys E series for SOHO. I've probably installed well over 100 in the > last couple of years and never had a problem with one yet. > Nope, http://www.infoworld.com/d/data-center/cisco-shows-true-face-in-ugly-bait-an d-switch-197074 PB _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Mon Jul 16 13:58:09 2012 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 14:58:09 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Weird Gmail error message Message-ID: Every once in a while I get a strange message from Gmail that says something like, "You have replied to an email in a trashed conversation. Click here to move it to your Inbox." Sometimes this occurs when replying to a message; other times it occurs when composing a new message (in which case it truly makes no sense). Anyone have a clue why this occurs? Tia -- Arthur From hans.andersen at phulse.com Tue Jul 17 02:28:24 2012 From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 00:28:24 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Weird Gmail error message In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <75A8FA89-D8BF-4FB0-B8EE-DA6683614C0A@phulse.com> Hi Tia, Do you, by any chance, ever check your email via a third party client such as outlook or thunderbird etc? It could be on another machine that is running but you forgot about. The reason I ask is because you may have filters on that client, which is moving around your messages and it could be moving them to trash around the same time as you are trying to respond to them via gmail in the browser. Perhaps it's even some sort of spam filtering. It would mimic this effect, hence why I ask. - Hans Sent from my iPhone On 2012-07-16, at 11:58 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > Every once in a while I get a strange message from Gmail that says > something like, "You have replied to an email in a trashed conversation. > Click here to move it to your Inbox." Sometimes this occurs when replying > to a message; other times it occurs when composing a new message (in which > case it truly makes no sense). > > Anyone have a clue why this occurs? > > Tia > > -- > Arthur > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Tue Jul 17 06:52:14 2012 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 07:52:14 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Linux equivalent of Office 2013? Message-ID: I am shortly to obtain my first tablet, an Acer Acronia. Purely by coincidence, I took a look at this slideshow about Office 2013, which is mostly Office 365. I must admit that lots of the changes impressed me. However, it assumes a subscription to Office 365, and I'm not sure that I want to go there. Does anyone know whether any Linux provider has plans for an equivalent, ideally free? -- Arthur From fuller.artful at gmail.com Tue Jul 17 07:02:24 2012 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 08:02:24 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Weird Gmail error message In-Reply-To: <75A8FA89-D8BF-4FB0-B8EE-DA6683614C0A@phulse.com> References: <75A8FA89-D8BF-4FB0-B8EE-DA6683614C0A@phulse.com> Message-ID: I never use a 3rd party app to look at my gmail account. So it's not that. On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 3:28 AM, Hans-Christian Andersen < hans.andersen at phulse.com> wrote: > > Do you, by any chance, ever check your email via a third party client such > as outlook or thunderbird etc? It could be on another machine that is > running but you forgot about. The reason I ask is because you may have > filters on that client, which is moving around your messages and it could > be moving them to trash around the same time as you are trying to respond > to them via gmail in the browser. Perhaps it's even some sort of spam > filtering. > > It would mimic this effect, hence why I ask. > > - Hans > -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. -- Niels Bohr From accessd at shaw.ca Tue Jul 17 11:06:14 2012 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 09:06:14 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Linux equivalent of Office 2013? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Arthur: Interestingly, TechRepublic just posted the following article: http://tinyurl.com/c9o8pc7 How much pertains to you with a tablet I am not sure. There are other online/cloud office solutions. Google immediately comes to mind: http://tinyurl.com/3q2y3ks There is a very new OpenSource Office Suite offering. I have no idea how good or bad it is but we know how fast OSS projects advance: http://www.freecloudalliance.org/news-UNG.Debut Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 4:52 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Linux equivalent of Office 2013? I am shortly to obtain my first tablet, an Acer Acronia. Purely by coincidence, I took a look at this slideshow about Office 2013, which is mostly Office 365. I must admit that lots of the changes impressed me. However, it assumes a subscription to Office 365, and I'm not sure that I want to go there. Does anyone know whether any Linux provider has plans for an equivalent, ideally free? -- Arthur _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Tue Jul 17 11:28:23 2012 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 09:28:23 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] The new Office In-Reply-To: <98CC0A5E-8DE2-48B4-940E-F1B128DCFCA3@phulse.com> References: <3E4B034D04CD44E6A2715829107A377B@HAL9007><4FFA5420.24384.F9CEACD@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg><50039C61.9070907@earthlink.net> <98CC0A5E-8DE2-48B4-940E-F1B128DCFCA3@phulse.com> Message-ID: The new Office 13 gets a review. It is definitely a Win8 product and very Cloud based. See the complete review: http://www.infoworld.com/d/microsoft-windows/first-look-microsoft-office-201 3-197802 Jim From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Tue Jul 17 16:03:41 2012 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 07:03:41 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Linux equivalent of Office 2013? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5005D32D.22787.3C851E28@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> My Motorola Xoom came with QuickOffice HD which hands Word, Excel and Powerpoint files. There are several alternatives available in the Google Play Store. If you want cloud hosting and synchronization of your office files, you can use Evernote, dropbox etc. which have Android versions. -- Stuart On 17 Jul 2012 at 7:52, Arthur Fuller wrote: > I am shortly to obtain my first tablet, an Acer Acronia. Purely by > coincidence, I took a look at this slideshow about Office 2013, which is > mostly Office 365. I must admit that lots of the changes impressed me. > However, it assumes a subscription to Office 365, and I'm not sure that I > want to go there. > > Does anyone know whether any Linux provider has plans for an equivalent, > ideally free? > > -- > Arthur > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From jon.tydda at lonza.com Thu Jul 19 04:34:47 2012 From: jon.tydda at lonza.com (Tydda Jon - Slough) Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 05:34:47 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Batch script help Message-ID: Hi all I've created a scheduled task to copy local database backup files to a network drive so they get backed up for longer. That bit is easy. What I really want to do is to limit the folder to the last five backups, so that I'm not filling the file server (and all the hourly snapshots) with old data that won't ever be looked at again. I've searched for a script to delete the oldest file in a folder, but with no joy - I'm trying to do this with a batch command (Windows 7). Can anyone help? Jon ________________________________ This communication and its attachments, if any, may contain confidential and privileged information the use of which by other persons or entities than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you receive this transmission in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete the material from your system. From peter.brawley at earthlink.net Thu Jul 19 14:00:16 2012 From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley) Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 14:00:16 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Linux equivalent of Office 2013? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <50085940.7030905@earthlink.net> On 2012-07-17 11:06 AM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Hi Arthur: > > Interestingly, TechRepublic just posted the following article: > > http://tinyurl.com/c9o8pc7 LibreOffice for Android is at the prototype stage, http://www.unixmen.com/first-peek-libreoffice-android-port-prototype/ PB > > How much pertains to you with a tablet I am not sure. There are other > online/cloud office solutions. Google immediately comes to mind: > > http://tinyurl.com/3q2y3ks > > There is a very new OpenSource Office Suite offering. I have no idea how > good or bad it is but we know how fast OSS projects advance: > > http://www.freecloudalliance.org/news-UNG.Debut > > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller > Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 4:52 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: [dba-Tech] Linux equivalent of Office 2013? > > I am shortly to obtain my first tablet, an Acer Acronia. Purely by > coincidence, I took a look at this slideshow about Office 2013, which is > mostly Office 365. I must admit that lots of the changes impressed me. > However, it assumes a subscription to Office 365, and I'm not sure that I > want to go there. > > Does anyone know whether any Linux provider has plans for an equivalent, > ideally free? > From accessd at shaw.ca Thu Jul 19 20:46:57 2012 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 18:46:57 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] A new Linux business In-Reply-To: <50085940.7030905@earthlink.net> References: <50085940.7030905@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <56FD42472F2B4A49823187B86BEC96AF@creativesystemdesigns.com> For those that need Linux servers, stations and desktops that just work check out the new business: http://zareason.com Jim From accessd at shaw.ca Thu Jul 19 21:20:37 2012 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 19:20:37 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] The new Win8 In-Reply-To: <56FD42472F2B4A49823187B86BEC96AF@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <50085940.7030905@earthlink.net> <56FD42472F2B4A49823187B86BEC96AF@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <12531A88623D409A89EBF0823E53F190@creativesystemdesigns.com> Not only is the new Win8 causing problems for itself but those problems are extending further into the Linux world. If I was of a suspicious nature I might think this was a bit of a conspiracy. Regardless, Microsoft is using all the powers and money in its war chest to squeeze out more competition as it tries to create a Windows world free from other products. Ballmer must be smiling as he was the person who, back in the 90's who stated that Linux was the greatest threat to the computer business world it had ever seen. Some Linux versions have sighed on to UEFI security boot chip system implemented by MS while other are trying to figure a way around this hardware security. Of course the simple act of defeating the new Windows UEFI security can be viewed as illegal and the violation of numerous patents. http://www.zdnet.com/another-way-around-linuxs-windows-secureboot-problem-70 00000829/ Jim From john at winhaven.net Thu Jul 19 21:38:40 2012 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 21:38:40 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] The new Win8 In-Reply-To: <12531A88623D409A89EBF0823E53F190@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <50085940.7030905@earthlink.net> <56FD42472F2B4A49823187B86BEC96AF@creativesystemdesigns.com> <12531A88623D409A89EBF0823E53F190@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <049001cd6620$c5dbdec0$51939c40$@winhaven.net> >From what I've read it's simply a hardware layer meant to prevent hacking. There's always some group that will cry foul though. I guess the key is to sign onto the program. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 9:21 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] The new Win8 Not only is the new Win8 causing problems for itself but those problems are extending further into the Linux world. If I was of a suspicious nature I might think this was a bit of a conspiracy. Regardless, Microsoft is using all the powers and money in its war chest to squeeze out more competition as it tries to create a Windows world free from other products. Ballmer must be smiling as he was the person who, back in the 90's who stated that Linux was the greatest threat to the computer business world it had ever seen. Some Linux versions have sighed on to UEFI security boot chip system implemented by MS while other are trying to figure a way around this hardware security. Of course the simple act of defeating the new Windows UEFI security can be viewed as illegal and the violation of numerous patents. http://www.zdnet.com/another-way-around-linuxs-windows-secureboot-problem-70 00000829/ Jim _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From hans.andersen at phulse.com Thu Jul 19 22:56:50 2012 From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen) Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 20:56:50 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] The new Win8 In-Reply-To: <049001cd6620$c5dbdec0$51939c40$@winhaven.net> References: <50085940.7030905@earthlink.net> <56FD42472F2B4A49823187B86BEC96AF@creativesystemdesigns.com> <12531A88623D409A89EBF0823E53F190@creativesystemdesigns.com> <049001cd6620$c5dbdec0$51939c40$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: John, While this sort of language would easily convince a layman, if you are a tech person, the more you think about this assertion ('it is hardware to prevent hacking'), the less sense it makes. All this module does is prevent someone booting a machine with an unauthorised operating system/code. That is simply it. Now, I don't know about you, but I can't remember the last time that any serious hack, breach and/or data theft was done by physically accessing a computer. I don't even remember the last time anyone ever got a boot sector virus. Plus, this 'security' mechanism would do nothing to prevent an unauthorised person from booting up a machine with a valid Windows install nor does it protect a machine after it has been booted. From what I understand, it also implements a networking stack, which means that it can be exploited if there are any flaws. So what is the point of this? Why would Microsoft spend so much effort on something which is a solution to a problem *that has stopped having any relevance for over a decade*? I think we are simply being hoodwinked. Microsoft simply wants to own the PC space and become the gatekeeper with the power to decide who is allowed on a machine (that they didn't even own themselves, I might add. For the most part, they just provide the operating system - just one component of a PC computer ecosystem. Why should they be allowed to control everything?). If Microsoft had any other motive than this, they would have disassociated themselves from the certification program - instead handing that power over to a separate nonprofit organisation much like ICANN, who do not have a political or financial motivation in deciding who is allowed to be certified. But they haven't. The PC is no longer an open platform anymore. All the reasons many techs scoff at Mac users for and calling Apple tyrannical are disappearing and you are becoming no different than Apple users - the only difference being that Apple never promised to be an open platform - just a great integrated product. I'm just surprised PC users are taking it lying down! - Hans On 19 July 2012 19:38, John Bartow wrote: > From what I've read it's simply a hardware layer meant to prevent hacking. > There's always some group that will cry foul though. I guess the key is to > sign onto the program. > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence > Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 9:21 PM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: [dba-Tech] The new Win8 > > Not only is the new Win8 causing problems for itself but those problems are > extending further into the Linux world. If I was of a suspicious nature I > might think this was a bit of a conspiracy. > > Regardless, Microsoft is using all the powers and money in its war chest to > squeeze out more competition as it tries to create a Windows world free > from > other products. Ballmer must be smiling as he was the person who, back in > the 90's who stated that Linux was the greatest threat to the computer > business world it had ever seen. > > Some Linux versions have sighed on to UEFI security boot chip system > implemented by MS while other are trying to figure a way around this > hardware security. Of course the simple act of defeating the new Windows > UEFI security can be viewed as illegal and the violation of numerous > patents. > > > http://www.zdnet.com/another-way-around-linuxs-windows-secureboot-problem-70 > 00000829/ > > Jim > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From hans.andersen at phulse.com Thu Jul 19 22:59:53 2012 From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen) Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 20:59:53 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] A new Linux business In-Reply-To: <56FD42472F2B4A49823187B86BEC96AF@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <50085940.7030905@earthlink.net> <56FD42472F2B4A49823187B86BEC96AF@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: Very cool. And the servers are pretty decently priced as well :) You should also check out System76. They've been around for quite some time and I know a few people who bought their laptops and love them. - Hans * * On 19 July 2012 18:46, Jim Lawrence wrote: > For those that need Linux servers, stations and desktops that just work > check out the new business: > > http://zareason.com > > Jim > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From marklbreen at gmail.com Fri Jul 20 03:16:17 2012 From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 09:16:17 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Batch script help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello John, If you are using SQL Server, take a look at expressmaint, it is opensource and does everything you can ask for re backups on SQL Server. It is really super. If Expressmaint does not do the job, then see see I am sorry that I cannot credit the site I caught this snippit from, but I have been using it daily for two years and it works great. Can you adjust it to do what you want ? :: This file just sets the folder and then identifies the latest file and then copys it. @echo off setLocal EnableDelayedExpansion pushd C:\MyFolder\ for /f "tokens=* delims= " %%a in ('dir/b/od *.sql') do (set newest=%%a) copy "%newest%" C:\FilesToRestore\db.sql Mark On 19 July 2012 10:34, Tydda Jon - Slough wrote: > Hi all > > > I've created a scheduled task to copy local database backup files to a > network drive so they get backed up for longer. That bit is easy. > > What I really want to do is to limit the folder to the last five backups, > so that I'm not filling the file server (and all the hourly snapshots) with > old data that won't ever be looked at again. > > I've searched for a script to delete the oldest file in a folder, but with > no joy - I'm trying to do this with a batch command (Windows 7). > > Can anyone help? > > > Jon > > > > ________________________________ > This communication and its attachments, if any, may contain confidential > and privileged information the use of which by other persons or entities > than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you receive this transmission > in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete the material > from your system. > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From marklbreen at gmail.com Fri Jul 20 03:19:07 2012 From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 09:19:07 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Linux equivalent of Office 2013? In-Reply-To: <50085940.7030905@earthlink.net> References: <50085940.7030905@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Hello All, I know that I am not alone, but does anyone here think that the market are not going to want to switch to Win8 / Off 13? I mean, could this release be the worst every for MS? It is the first ever OS and Off release that I dread. Finally, did you all see the financial results for MS today?, Imagine what we will be reading in a years time. Or am I being too pessimistic? Mark On 19 July 2012 20:00, Peter Brawley wrote: > On 2012-07-17 11:06 AM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > >> Hi Arthur: >> >> Interestingly, TechRepublic just posted the following article: >> >> http://tinyurl.com/c9o8pc7 >> > > LibreOffice for Android is at the prototype stage, > http://www.unixmen.com/first-**peek-libreoffice-android-port-**prototype/ > > PB > > > >> How much pertains to you with a tablet I am not sure. There are other >> online/cloud office solutions. Google immediately comes to mind: >> >> http://tinyurl.com/3q2y3ks >> >> There is a very new OpenSource Office Suite offering. I have no idea how >> good or bad it is but we know how fast OSS projects advance: >> >> http://www.freecloudalliance.**org/news-UNG.Debut >> >> Jim >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: dba-tech-bounces@**databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces@**databaseadvisors.com] >> On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller >> Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 4:52 AM >> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues >> Subject: [dba-Tech] Linux equivalent of Office 2013? >> >> I am shortly to obtain my first tablet, an Acer Acronia. Purely by >> coincidence, I took a look at this slideshow about Office 2013, which is >> mostly Office 365. I must admit that lots of the changes impressed me. >> However, it assumes a subscription to Office 365, and I'm not sure that I >> want to go there. >> >> Does anyone know whether any Linux provider has plans for an equivalent, >> ideally free? >> >> > ______________________________**_________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com > From jon.tydda at lonza.com Fri Jul 20 03:50:41 2012 From: jon.tydda at lonza.com (Tydda Jon - Slough) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 10:50:41 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Batch script help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks Mark - I spoke to my server guy, and he introduced me to the concept of "Forfiles": forfiles /P "C:\folder" /S /M *.ekb /D -35 /C "cmd /c del @file" This searches the C:\folder location for any .ekb files older than 35 days and deletes them. Pretty awesome stuff, and free with Windows 7! Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen Sent: 20 July 2012 09:16 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Batch script help Hello John, If you are using SQL Server, take a look at expressmaint, it is opensource and does everything you can ask for re backups on SQL Server. It is really super. If Expressmaint does not do the job, then see see I am sorry that I cannot credit the site I caught this snippit from, but I have been using it daily for two years and it works great. Can you adjust it to do what you want ? :: This file just sets the folder and then identifies the latest file and then copys it. @echo off setLocal EnableDelayedExpansion pushd C:\MyFolder\ for /f "tokens=* delims= " %%a in ('dir/b/od *.sql') do (set newest=%%a) copy "%newest%" C:\FilesToRestore\db.sql Mark On 19 July 2012 10:34, Tydda Jon - Slough wrote: > Hi all > > > I've created a scheduled task to copy local database backup files to a > network drive so they get backed up for longer. That bit is easy. > > What I really want to do is to limit the folder to the last five > backups, so that I'm not filling the file server (and all the hourly > snapshots) with old data that won't ever be looked at again. > > I've searched for a script to delete the oldest file in a folder, but > with no joy - I'm trying to do this with a batch command (Windows 7). > > Can anyone help? > > > Jon > > > > ________________________________ > This communication and its attachments, if any, may contain > confidential and privileged information the use of which by other > persons or entities than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you > receive this transmission in error, please contact the sender > immediately and delete the material from your system. > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com This communication and its attachments, if any, may contain confidential and privileged information the use of which by other persons or entities than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you receive this transmission in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete the material from your system. From fuller.artful at gmail.com Fri Jul 20 06:19:33 2012 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 07:19:33 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Linux equivalent of Office 2013? In-Reply-To: References: <50085940.7030905@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Your question reminds me of the old joke about the optimist and the pessimist. The optimist greets the sunrise with a smile and says, "This is the best of all possible worlds." The pessimist smiles and agrees. I think that what you and I (and possibly others here) are feeling is our collective obsolescence. I began to learn programming on a shared computer somewhere around 1979. The first program I wrote was a simulation of the casino game craps. I wrote it in BASIC on a Commodore with cassette drives. I bought my first computer on March 15, 1983, an Apple II clone with a CP/M card. It came with WordStar, SuperCalc and dBASE II. I learned WordStar in and SuperCalc in a couple of days each, and dBASE II in about a month. Since then, I've spent my entire career in a world where PC applications for business dominated the computing landscape. You could throw a stick and it would hit nine new clients. That world is gone -- or rather, like Santa Claus, dying a little more each year but never quite dead. The computing world has moved on: business apps are no longer the epicentre of computing, just as the internet ate the world of newspapers, just as physical books and the brick-and-mortar bookstores are no longer the epicentre of book publishing, just as the gaming world has far outstripped the Movie industry in terms of revenues. And currently, just as smart phones, tablets and smart TVs now occupy centre stage. Microsoft is very aware of this, and that is the whole point behind Windows 8, which is targeted much more at tablets and smart phones than it is at the (yawn) business world. There will always be a requirement for traditional, dare I say tired, old, and unexciting, PC apps. But they're not where the action is, and I think we all know it. Most of all, I think Microsoft knows it, too. Windows and Office have always been the twin pillars of MS's dominance of the PC world. One never shoots a cash cow, and one's nostalgic fondness for her never quite goes away. But her welfare becomes secondary to that of the young, healthy cows in the pasture. Look around this group. How many young Turks are here, as compared with old farts (like me)? This is not likely to change -- not unless we morphed our site into a centre for developers of phone apps, games, and so on. That's how I see it, anyway. But why listen to just another old fart? On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 4:19 AM, Mark Breen wrote: > Hello All, > > I know that I am not alone, but does anyone here think that the market are > not going to want to switch to Win8 / Off 13? > > I mean, could this release be the worst every for MS? > > It is the first ever OS and Off release that I dread. > > Finally, did you all see the financial results for MS today?, Imagine what > we will be reading in a years time. > > Or am I being too pessimistic? > > Mark > > -- > Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. -- Niels Bohr From peter.brawley at earthlink.net Fri Jul 20 08:56:54 2012 From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 08:56:54 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Linux equivalent of Office 2013? In-Reply-To: References: <50085940.7030905@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <500963A6.50609@earthlink.net> On 2012-07-20 3:19 AM, Mark Breen wrote: > Hello All, > > I know that I am not alone, but does anyone here think that the market are > not going to want to switch to Win8 / Off 13? > > I mean, could this release be the worst every for MS? > > It is the first ever OS and Off release that I dread. > > Finally, did you all see the financial results for MS today?, Imagine what > we will be reading in a years time. > > Or am I being too pessimistic? That would be /optimistic./ PB ----- > > Mark > > > On 19 July 2012 20:00, Peter Brawley wrote: > >> On 2012-07-17 11:06 AM, Jim Lawrence wrote: >> >>> Hi Arthur: >>> >>> Interestingly, TechRepublic just posted the following article: >>> >>> http://tinyurl.com/c9o8pc7 >>> >> LibreOffice for Android is at the prototype stage, >> http://www.unixmen.com/first-**peek-libreoffice-android-port-**prototype/ >> >> PB >> >> >> >>> How much pertains to you with a tablet I am not sure. There are other >>> online/cloud office solutions. Google immediately comes to mind: >>> >>> http://tinyurl.com/3q2y3ks >>> >>> There is a very new OpenSource Office Suite offering. I have no idea how >>> good or bad it is but we know how fast OSS projects advance: >>> >>> http://www.freecloudalliance.**org/news-UNG.Debut >>> >>> Jim >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: dba-tech-bounces@**databaseadvisors.com >>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces@**databaseadvisors.com] >>> On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller >>> Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 4:52 AM >>> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues >>> Subject: [dba-Tech] Linux equivalent of Office 2013? >>> >>> I am shortly to obtain my first tablet, an Acer Acronia. Purely by >>> coincidence, I took a look at this slideshow about Office 2013, which is >>> mostly Office 365. I must admit that lots of the changes impressed me. >>> However, it assumes a subscription to Office 365, and I'm not sure that I >>> want to go there. >>> >>> Does anyone know whether any Linux provider has plans for an equivalent, >>> ideally free? >>> >>> >> ______________________________**_________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com >> > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From gustav at cactus.dk Fri Jul 20 10:07:05 2012 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 17:07:05 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Linux equivalent of Office 2013? Message-ID: Hi Mark The whining isn't new: "I don't need anything more fancy than my Windows 98" "I have no use for the new features of Office 2003" "Oh my! A ribbon. I want the menus back!" The difference now is that this time Microsoft is ahead of the market. This, of course, means that it will take some time for the majority to catch up. "I don't want Windows 8". Think again. Could you imagine an xPad type tablet with a Windows interface? Hardly, except if you have very slim fingers. Further, people like me have no use for an iPad or the like other than browsing and read mail. Too little to decide for a purchase. For the last months I've used Access 2010 a lot more than previously (=nearly nil). A little to my surprise (lots of whining about the ribbon also on this list), the ribbon works very well. And since the Developer Preview (now the Consumer Preview) I have used Windows 8 every day and it runs rock steady. The Desktop is one click or keypress away and I wonder what the lousy Start menu was for. So I'm looking forward to the 26th of October where Win8 will finally be released - and probably the Surface machines as well. /gustav >>> marklbreen at gmail.com 20-07-12 10:19 >>> Hello All, I know that I am not alone, but does anyone here think that the market are not going to want to switch to Win8 / Off 13? I mean, could this release be the worst every for MS? It is the first ever OS and Off release that I dread. Finally, did you all see the financial results for MS today?, Imagine what we will be reading in a years time. Or am I being too pessimistic? Mark From accessd at shaw.ca Fri Jul 20 12:13:32 2012 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 10:13:32 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] The new Win8 In-Reply-To: <049001cd6620$c5dbdec0$51939c40$@winhaven.net> References: <50085940.7030905@earthlink.net> <56FD42472F2B4A49823187B86BEC96AF@creativesystemdesigns.com><12531A88623D409A89EBF0823E53F190@creativesystemdesigns.com> <049001cd6620$c5dbdec0$51939c40$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: There are always very good reasons for some security feature. In this case it seems the Microsoft can enjoy the "happy" circumstance and major inconvenience this upgrade will inflect on their competition. They of course have made not the slightest accommodations to the rest of the market and now the feature can be used, at the convenience of MS, Sony, HLS and the Time Warner "entertainment" market as an ever moving club and/or toll bridge. The ramifications of this new hardware is just being understood and without open market input and over-sight this feature has the potential for monopolistic abuse. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 7:39 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] The new Win8 >From what I've read it's simply a hardware layer meant to prevent hacking. There's always some group that will cry foul though. I guess the key is to sign onto the program. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 9:21 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] The new Win8 Not only is the new Win8 causing problems for itself but those problems are extending further into the Linux world. If I was of a suspicious nature I might think this was a bit of a conspiracy. Regardless, Microsoft is using all the powers and money in its war chest to squeeze out more competition as it tries to create a Windows world free from other products. Ballmer must be smiling as he was the person who, back in the 90's who stated that Linux was the greatest threat to the computer business world it had ever seen. Some Linux versions have sighed on to UEFI security boot chip system implemented by MS while other are trying to figure a way around this hardware security. Of course the simple act of defeating the new Windows UEFI security can be viewed as illegal and the violation of numerous patents. http://www.zdnet.com/another-way-around-linuxs-windows-secureboot-problem-70 00000829/ Jim _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Fri Jul 20 12:32:16 2012 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 10:32:16 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Linux equivalent of Office 2013? In-Reply-To: References: <50085940.7030905@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <61A8B7B2F74A4C6F837FE19AE0C5C0F9@creativesystemdesigns.com> Ahh Arthur don't get despondent and morose. There are lots of delightful applications and opportunities out there but in truth they are mostly web based. That means all you need is browser and you are away. It is amazing how cheaply you can set up for your own designing. The PC market is never going away. Even though the tablet/Smartphone market is growing spectacularly, the existing PC market, though growing much slower still has, by far, the largest market share. The one thing to note is that the new tablets and Smartphones are only for the consumer market. The actual market we are in is the production market, we produce the consumables and that for the most part requires PCs and servers. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Friday, July 20, 2012 4:20 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Linux equivalent of Office 2013? Your question reminds me of the old joke about the optimist and the pessimist. The optimist greets the sunrise with a smile and says, "This is the best of all possible worlds." The pessimist smiles and agrees. I think that what you and I (and possibly others here) are feeling is our collective obsolescence. I began to learn programming on a shared computer somewhere around 1979. The first program I wrote was a simulation of the casino game craps. I wrote it in BASIC on a Commodore with cassette drives. I bought my first computer on March 15, 1983, an Apple II clone with a CP/M card. It came with WordStar, SuperCalc and dBASE II. I learned WordStar in and SuperCalc in a couple of days each, and dBASE II in about a month. Since then, I've spent my entire career in a world where PC applications for business dominated the computing landscape. You could throw a stick and it would hit nine new clients. That world is gone -- or rather, like Santa Claus, dying a little more each year but never quite dead. The computing world has moved on: business apps are no longer the epicentre of computing, just as the internet ate the world of newspapers, just as physical books and the brick-and-mortar bookstores are no longer the epicentre of book publishing, just as the gaming world has far outstripped the Movie industry in terms of revenues. And currently, just as smart phones, tablets and smart TVs now occupy centre stage. Microsoft is very aware of this, and that is the whole point behind Windows 8, which is targeted much more at tablets and smart phones than it is at the (yawn) business world. There will always be a requirement for traditional, dare I say tired, old, and unexciting, PC apps. But they're not where the action is, and I think we all know it. Most of all, I think Microsoft knows it, too. Windows and Office have always been the twin pillars of MS's dominance of the PC world. One never shoots a cash cow, and one's nostalgic fondness for her never quite goes away. But her welfare becomes secondary to that of the young, healthy cows in the pasture. Look around this group. How many young Turks are here, as compared with old farts (like me)? This is not likely to change -- not unless we morphed our site into a centre for developers of phone apps, games, and so on. That's how I see it, anyway. But why listen to just another old fart? On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 4:19 AM, Mark Breen wrote: > Hello All, > > I know that I am not alone, but does anyone here think that the market are > not going to want to switch to Win8 / Off 13? > > I mean, could this release be the worst every for MS? > > It is the first ever OS and Off release that I dread. > > Finally, did you all see the financial results for MS today?, Imagine what > we will be reading in a years time. > > Or am I being too pessimistic? > > Mark > > -- > Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. -- Niels Bohr _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Fri Jul 20 13:32:17 2012 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 14:32:17 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Linux equivalent of Office 2013? In-Reply-To: <61A8B7B2F74A4C6F837FE19AE0C5C0F9@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <50085940.7030905@earthlink.net> <61A8B7B2F74A4C6F837FE19AE0C5C0F9@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: First of all, Jim, I'm not despondent about it at all -- I'm looking forward to all these changes, and looking forward to becoming a simple user of software rather than a developer of it. Of course, I'll always keep my hand in the game, but less and less to make a living, and more and more to just have fun. I've scaled my lifestyle down to match the revenues available, and I have no kids to send to college, nor desire for a yacht or a summer place in the Caymans or a trip around the world. (Well, no, I take that last one back, but just don't think it's in the cards.) But even as far as hobbyist programming goes, I don't think it likely that I'm going to wake up one morning with the sudden desire to write a YAFOE (yet another f**g Order Entry System). There are much more interesting problems out there. I've got an idea for a web/phone/tablet app, for example, and am planning on giving it away. Riding slowly and cheerfully into the sunset.... A. On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 1:32 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Ahh Arthur don't get despondent and morose. > > There are lots of delightful applications and opportunities out there but > in > truth they are mostly web based. That means all you need is browser and you > are away. It is amazing how cheaply you can set up for your own designing. > > The PC market is never going away. Even though the tablet/Smartphone market > is growing spectacularly, the existing PC market, though growing much > slower > still has, by far, the largest market share. The one thing to note is that > the new tablets and Smartphones are only for the consumer market. The > actual > market we are in is the production market, we produce the consumables and > that for the most part requires PCs and servers. > > Jim > > From accessd at shaw.ca Fri Jul 20 14:06:58 2012 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 12:06:58 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Linux equivalent of Office 2013? In-Reply-To: References: <50085940.7030905@earthlink.net><61A8B7B2F74A4C6F837FE19AE0C5C0F9@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: Ha ha ha... Well " Riding slowly and cheerfully into the sunset... " Now you have a chance to disrupt the system. Those years when you had to keep head down and mouth closed are gone. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Friday, July 20, 2012 11:32 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Linux equivalent of Office 2013? First of all, Jim, I'm not despondent about it at all -- I'm looking forward to all these changes, and looking forward to becoming a simple user of software rather than a developer of it. Of course, I'll always keep my hand in the game, but less and less to make a living, and more and more to just have fun. I've scaled my lifestyle down to match the revenues available, and I have no kids to send to college, nor desire for a yacht or a summer place in the Caymans or a trip around the world. (Well, no, I take that last one back, but just don't think it's in the cards.) But even as far as hobbyist programming goes, I don't think it likely that I'm going to wake up one morning with the sudden desire to write a YAFOE (yet another f**g Order Entry System). There are much more interesting problems out there. I've got an idea for a web/phone/tablet app, for example, and am planning on giving it away. Riding slowly and cheerfully into the sunset.... A. On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 1:32 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Ahh Arthur don't get despondent and morose. > > There are lots of delightful applications and opportunities out there but > in > truth they are mostly web based. That means all you need is browser and you > are away. It is amazing how cheaply you can set up for your own designing. > > The PC market is never going away. Even though the tablet/Smartphone market > is growing spectacularly, the existing PC market, though growing much > slower > still has, by far, the largest market share. The one thing to note is that > the new tablets and Smartphones are only for the consumer market. The > actual > market we are in is the production market, we produce the consumables and > that for the most part requires PCs and servers. > > Jim > > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Fri Jul 20 14:56:48 2012 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2012 05:56:48 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Linux equivalent of Office 2013? In-Reply-To: <61A8B7B2F74A4C6F837FE19AE0C5C0F9@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: , , <61A8B7B2F74A4C6F837FE19AE0C5C0F9@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <5009B800.1445.3D5E469@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> On 20 Jul 2012 at 10:32, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Ahh Arthur don't get despondent and morose. > > There are lots of delightful applications and opportunities out there but in > truth they are mostly web based. That means all you need is browser and you > are away. To use it, not to develop it. > The actual > market we are in is the production market, we produce the consumables and > that for the most part requires PCs and servers. > Yep, I'd hate to try to build a smartphone app on a smartphone :-) -- Stuart From accessd at shaw.ca Fri Jul 20 15:11:46 2012 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 13:11:46 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Apple has stopped Samsung In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Apple has managed to continue its injunction, on the patent, of the actual look and feel of the iPad. The same injunction was dumped in the UK. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/07/20/samsung_galaxy_tab_ban_no_stay/ Jim From accessd at shaw.ca Fri Jul 20 15:20:39 2012 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 13:20:39 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Linux equivalent of Office 2013? In-Reply-To: <5009B800.1445.3D5E469@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: , , <61A8B7B2F74A4C6F837FE19AE0C5C0F9@creativesystemdesigns.com> <5009B800.1445.3D5E469@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Friday, July 20, 2012 12:57 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Linux equivalent of Office 2013? On 20 Jul 2012 at 10:32, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Ahh Arthur don't get despondent and morose. > > There are lots of delightful applications and opportunities out there but in > truth they are mostly web based. That means all you need is browser and you > are away. To use it, not to develop it. ...sure you can develop on a single PC no problem. Just set up an Apache web server...and use 127.0.0.1 to test the applications. > The actual > market we are in is the production market, we produce the consumables and > that for the most part requires PCs and servers. > Yep, I'd hate to try to build a smartphone app on a smartphone :-) ...Anyone would be nuts to try and build any significant app on a Tablet or Smartphone...no one really needs the punsihment. -- Stuart Jim From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Fri Jul 20 15:59:57 2012 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2012 06:59:57 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Linux equivalent of Office 2013? In-Reply-To: References: , <5009B800.1445.3D5E469@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>, Message-ID: <5009C6CD.10318.40FB677@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> That should be "application" singular. For "applications", create entries in httpd.conf and matching entires in your Hosts file. -- Stuart On 20 Jul 2012 at 13:20, Jim Lawrence wrote: > > There are lots of delightful applications and opportunities out there but > in > > truth they are mostly web based. That means all you need is browser and > you > > are away. > > To use it, not to develop it. > ...sure you can develop on a single PC no problem. Just set up an Apache web > server...and use 127.0.0.1 to test the applications. > From accessd at shaw.ca Fri Jul 20 16:45:25 2012 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 14:45:25 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Linux equivalent of Office 2013? In-Reply-To: <5009C6CD.10318.40FB677@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: , <5009B800.1445.3D5E469@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>, <5009C6CD.10318.40FB677@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <16341EFB318F4D4BA7BAFE5F2C80FFC6@creativesystemdesigns.com> No, maybe I am not understanding you but the word "applications" as our computers are capable of even running multiple instances of certain applications at the same...? Particularly, when discussing web browsers type applications. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Friday, July 20, 2012 2:00 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Linux equivalent of Office 2013? That should be "application" singular. For "applications", create entries in httpd.conf and matching entires in your Hosts file. -- Stuart On 20 Jul 2012 at 13:20, Jim Lawrence wrote: > > There are lots of delightful applications and opportunities out there but > in > > truth they are mostly web based. That means all you need is browser and > you > > are away. > > To use it, not to develop it. > ...sure you can develop on a single PC no problem. Just set up an Apache web > server...and use 127.0.0.1 to test the applications. > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Fri Jul 20 17:41:56 2012 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 18:41:56 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Apple has stopped Samsung In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I always laugh when the King of Free Trade countries goes protectionist. Ah well, Samsung, there's a much bigger market in China and In India too. Not to mention the rest of the planet. A. On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 4:11 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Apple has managed to continue its injunction, on the patent, of the actual > look and feel of the iPad. The same injunction was dumped in the UK. > > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/07/20/samsung_galaxy_tab_ban_no_stay/ > > Jim > > From hans.andersen at phulse.com Fri Jul 20 20:34:49 2012 From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 18:34:49 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Linux equivalent of Office 2013? In-Reply-To: <5009C6CD.10318.40FB677@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <5009B800.1445.3D5E469@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <5009C6CD.10318.40FB677@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <95175606-34EE-4834-843F-AD28B4B83221@phulse.com> I'd recommend Nginx rather than apache tho - Hans Sent from my iPhone On 2012-07-20, at 1:59 PM, "Stuart McLachlan" wrote: > That should be "application" singular. > > For "applications", create entries in httpd.conf and matching entires in your > Hosts file. > > > -- > Stuart > > On 20 Jul 2012 at 13:20, Jim Lawrence wrote: > >>> There are lots of delightful applications and opportunities out there but >> in >>> truth they are mostly web based. That means all you need is browser and >> you >>> are away. >> >> To use it, not to develop it. >> ...sure you can develop on a single PC no problem. Just set up an Apache web >> server...and use 127.0.0.1 to test the applications. >> > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Fri Jul 20 20:46:21 2012 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 18:46:21 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Linux equivalent of Office 2013? In-Reply-To: <95175606-34EE-4834-843F-AD28B4B83221@phulse.com> References: <5009B800.1445.3D5E469@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg><5009C6CD.10318.40FB677@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <95175606-34EE-4834-843F-AD28B4B83221@phulse.com> Message-ID: Ken and I had some issues with NginX, don't know why but we will try again. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hans-Christian Andersen Sent: Friday, July 20, 2012 6:35 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Linux equivalent of Office 2013? I'd recommend Nginx rather than apache tho - Hans Sent from my iPhone On 2012-07-20, at 1:59 PM, "Stuart McLachlan" wrote: > That should be "application" singular. > > For "applications", create entries in httpd.conf and matching entires in your > Hosts file. > > > -- > Stuart > > On 20 Jul 2012 at 13:20, Jim Lawrence wrote: > >>> There are lots of delightful applications and opportunities out there but >> in >>> truth they are mostly web based. That means all you need is browser and >> you >>> are away. >> >> To use it, not to develop it. >> ...sure you can develop on a single PC no problem. Just set up an Apache web >> server...and use 127.0.0.1 to test the applications. >> > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From hans.andersen at phulse.com Fri Jul 20 22:20:48 2012 From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 20:20:48 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Linux equivalent of Office 2013? In-Reply-To: References: <5009B800.1445.3D5E469@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <5009C6CD.10318.40FB677@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <95175606-34EE-4834-843F-AD28B4B83221@phulse.com> Message-ID: <93A69687-6C46-4734-847C-4624BE8163AB@phulse.com> 1. If you are trying to run it on windows, then that's your problem right there. :) with windows, there is always problems 2. Nginx is not like apache. There is no mod_php. You have to interface php with nginx via fastcgi. And the same goes for other scripting languages. Nginx doesn't try to be like apache in this sense. You may already know this, but, in case you don't, I imagine this might be a bit confusing at first. - Hans Sent from my iPhone On 2012-07-20, at 6:46 PM, "Jim Lawrence" wrote: > Ken and I had some issues with NginX, don't know why but we will try again. > > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hans-Christian > Andersen > Sent: Friday, July 20, 2012 6:35 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Linux equivalent of Office 2013? > > I'd recommend Nginx rather than apache tho > > - Hans > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 2012-07-20, at 1:59 PM, "Stuart McLachlan" > wrote: > >> That should be "application" singular. >> >> For "applications", create entries in httpd.conf and > matching entires in your >> Hosts file. >> >> >> -- >> Stuart >> >> On 20 Jul 2012 at 13:20, Jim Lawrence wrote: >> >>>> There are lots of delightful applications and opportunities out there > but >>> in >>>> truth they are mostly web based. That means all you need is browser and >>> you >>>> are away. >>> >>> To use it, not to develop it. >>> ...sure you can develop on a single PC no problem. Just set up an Apache > web >>> server...and use 127.0.0.1 to test the applications. >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sun Jul 22 20:59:05 2012 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2012 21:59:05 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Check password strength Message-ID: I lifted the following snippet from nixCraft: Granted, it's intended for Linux, but I think most of us have a Linux VM handy, if for nothing else but occasional experimentation You can always flip to Linux to test out your various passwords: HowTo: Linux Check Password Strength With Cracklib-check Command Using the same password on different servers allows attackers to access your accounts if cracker manage to steal your password from a less secure server. This is true for online website accounts too. So solution is to create unique passwords for server accounts like your email, sftp and ssh accounts. General guideline to create a strong and unique password is as follows: 1. Create a password with mix of numbers, special symbols, and alphabets. 2. Make sure your password is hard to guess. You can use tool such as makepasswd to create hard to guess password. 3. Do not use simple words like "password", "123456", "123abc" or "qwerty". 4. Use a unique password for all your server accounts. 5. A minimum password length of 12 to 14 characters should be used. See how to configure CentOS / RHEL / Fedora Linux based server password quality requirements. 6. Generating passwords randomly where feasible. You can do this with a simple shell script function. 7. If possible use two-factor authentication. 8. Use pam_crack to ensure strong passwords and to check passwords against a dictionary attack. But, how do you test the effectiveness of a password in resisting guessing and brute-force attacks under Linux? The answer is simple use cracklib-check command. Say hello to cracklib-check This command takes a list of passwords from keyboard (stdin) and checks them using libcrack2. The idea is simple: try to prevent users from choosing passwords that could be guessed by "crack" by filtering them out, at source. Examples Test a simple password like "password", enter: $ echo "password" | cracklib-check Sample outputs: password: it is based on a dictionary word Try sequential patterns such as "abc123456": $ echo "abc123456" | cracklib-check Sample outputs: abc123456: it is too simplistic/systematic Try a password with a mix of letters, numbers, and symbols: $ echo 'i1oVe|DiZza' | cracklib-check Sample outputs: i1oVe|DiZza: OK The above password increases the difficulty of guessing or cracking your password. I used a random phrase (easy to remember) "I Love Pizza" and inserted random characters to create hard a strong password - "i1oVe|DiZza". Putting it all together #!/bin/bash# A sample shell script to add user to the system# Check password for strength # Written by Vivek Gite under GPL v2.x+# ----------------------------------------------read -p "Enter username : " userread -sp "Enter password : " passwordechoecho "Tesing password strength..."echoresult="$(cracklib-check <<<"$password")"# okay awk is bad choice but this is a demo okay="$(awk -F': ' '{ print $2}' <<<"$result")"if [[ "$okay" == "OK" ]]then echo "Adding a user account please wait..." /sbin/useradd -m -s /bin/bash $user echo "$user:$password" | /sbin/chpasswdelse echo "Your password was rejected - $result" echo "Try again."fi Hope this helps someone. -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. -- Niels Bohr From marklbreen at gmail.com Mon Jul 23 03:32:27 2012 From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen) Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 09:32:27 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Check password strength In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Arthur, thanks for the email, we need more linux posts here on dba-Tech. After all, it is the OS of the future it is the OS of the present ;) There was another site posted here about a year ago and it allowed us to type in a password and it would tell us how long it would take to bruteforce that password. They provided three metrics, Online Attack Scenario, Offline Fast Attack Scenario and a Massive Cracking Array Scenario. What the site really demonstrated was that the longer the password the better, complexity helped, but password length trumped complexity. Complex passwords almost always have to be stored in a secure tool, which itself must be password protected and managed securely. With that in mind, I have started to move towards simpler but longer passwords. My assumption is they are too strong to be bruteforced or guessed, no dictionary attack is likely to find a match, and the user does not have to write them done. My longer passwords also have one added benefit, they are easy to type in. samples of easy to remember, easy to type are accessdbmwmotorcycles sausagesandbicycles ilovetotravel arthurandraspberryaregreat You see that these are impossible to bruteforce, (according to the tool we played with last year). Impossible to dictionary attack. Easy to type, easy to remember. I used to work with an old carpenter that did not like aluminium ladders, he only liked to work on wooden ladders. He always said "they fella that invented those ladders should be made walk up and down one for a day and see how he likes it". I have a colleague that regularly assigns me passwords. I silently take them, but every time he gives me a password I think "the fella that makes them up should be made type them in - and remember them - for a month and see how he likes them". Here are the links that someone posted last august https://www.grc.com/haystack.htm http://xkcd.com/936/ First one is serious and the second is funny, but the first one is really interesting. Here is a snip from the first link. { The main concept can be understood by answering this question: Which of the following two passwords is stronger, more secure, and more difficult to crack? D0g..................... PrXyc.N(n4k77#L!eVdAfp9 You probably know this is a trick question, but the answer is: Despite the fact that the first password is HUGELY easier to use and more memorable, it is also the stronger of the two! In fact, since it is one character longer and contains uppercase, lowercase, a number and special characters, that first password would take an attacker approximately 95 times longer to find by searching than the second impossible-to-remember-or-type password! } Thanks Mark On 23 July 2012 02:59, Arthur Fuller wrote: > I lifted the following snippet from nixCraft: > > Granted, it's intended for Linux, but I think most of us have a Linux VM > handy, if for nothing else but occasional experimentation You can always > flip to Linux to test out your various passwords: > > HowTo: Linux Check Password Strength With Cracklib-check > Command > > > Using the same password on different servers allows attackers to access > your accounts if cracker manage to steal your password from a less secure > server. This is true for online website accounts too. So solution is to > create unique passwords for server accounts like your email, sftp and ssh > accounts. General guideline to create a strong and unique password is as > follows: > > 1. Create a password with mix of numbers, special symbols, and > alphabets. > 2. Make sure your password is hard to guess. You can use tool such as > makepasswd > to > create hard to guess password. > 3. Do not use simple words like "password", "123456", "123abc" or > "qwerty". > 4. Use a unique password for all your server accounts. > 5. A minimum password length of 12 to 14 characters should be used. See > how to configure CentOS / RHEL / Fedora Linux based > server< > http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/rhel-fedora-centos-linux-password-quality-control/ > > > password > quality requirements. > 6. Generating passwords randomly where feasible. You can do this with a > simple shell > script > function. > 7. If possible use two-factor authentication. > 8. Use pam_crack to ensure strong > passwords< > http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/linux-check-passwords-against-a-dictionary-attack.html > > > and > to check passwords against a dictionary attack. > > But, how do you test the effectiveness of a password in resisting guessing > and brute-force attacks under Linux? The answer is simple use > cracklib-check command. > Say hello to cracklib-check > > This command takes a list of passwords from keyboard > (stdin) > and checks them using libcrack2. The idea is simple: try to prevent users > from choosing passwords that could be guessed by "crack" by filtering them > out, at source. > Examples > > Test a simple password like "password", enter: > $ echo "password" | cracklib-check > Sample outputs: > > password: it is based on a dictionary word > > Try sequential patterns such as "abc123456": > $ echo "abc123456" | cracklib-check > Sample outputs: > > abc123456: it is too simplistic/systematic > > Try a password with a mix of letters, numbers, and symbols: > $ echo 'i1oVe|DiZza' | cracklib-check > Sample outputs: > > i1oVe|DiZza: OK > > The above password increases the difficulty of guessing or cracking your > password. I used a random phrase (easy to remember) "I Love Pizza" and > inserted random characters to create hard a strong password - > "i1oVe|DiZza". > Putting it all together > > #!/bin/bash# A sample shell script to add user to the system# Check > password for strength # Written by Vivek Gite under GPL v2.x+# > ----------------------------------------------read -p "Enter username > : " userread -sp "Enter password : " passwordechoecho "Tesing password > strength..."echoresult="$(cracklib-check <<<"$password")"# okay awk is > bad choice but this is a demo okay="$(awk -F': ' '{ print $2}' > <<<"$result")"if [[ "$okay" == "OK" ]]then > echo "Adding a user account please wait..." > /sbin/useradd -m -s /bin/bash $user > echo "$user:$password" | /sbin/chpasswdelse > echo "Your password was rejected - $result" > echo "Try again."fi > > > Hope this helps someone. > -- > Arthur > Cell: 647.710.1314 > > Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. > -- Niels Bohr > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From fuller.artful at gmail.com Mon Jul 23 06:14:25 2012 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 07:14:25 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Check password strength In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks for the links, Mark. As it happens, I regularly use 3 passwords, one for everything related to finance, one for sites like TechRepublic, and one for Citrix/SQL connections. All of them use mixed case + special symbols + numerics, and are easily remembered. I ran the most sensitive one (the fiscal one) through your first link and obtained these results: Search Space Depth (Alphabet):26+10+33 = *69*Search Space Length (Characters):10 charactersExact Search Space Size (Count): (count of all possible passwords with this alphabet size and up to this password's length)2, 482,167,502,723,212,150 Search Space Size (as a power of 10):2.48 x 1018 Time Required to Exhaustively Search this Password's Space: Online Attack Scenario: (Assuming one thousand guesses per second)7.89 hundred thousand centuriesOffline Fast Attack Scenario: (Assuming one hundred billion guesses per second)9.47 monthsMassive Cracking Array Scenario: (Assuming one hundred trillion guesses per second)6.89 hours I thought it was pretty good; now my opinion is backed by evidence. Arthur On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 4:32 AM, Mark Breen wrote: > Hi Arthur, > > thanks for the email, we need more linux posts here on dba-Tech. After > all, it is the OS of the future it is the OS of the present ;) > > There was another site posted here about a year ago and it allowed us to > type in a password and it would tell us how long it would take to > bruteforce that password. They provided three metrics, Online Attack > Scenario, Offline Fast Attack Scenario and a Massive Cracking Array > Scenario. > > What the site really demonstrated was that the longer the password the > better, complexity helped, but password length trumped complexity. > > Complex passwords almost always have to be stored in a secure tool, which > itself must be password protected and managed securely. > > With that in mind, I have started to move towards simpler but longer > passwords. My assumption is they are too strong to be bruteforced or > guessed, no dictionary attack is likely to find a match, and the user does > not have to write them done. My longer passwords also have one added > benefit, they are easy to type in. > > samples of easy to remember, easy to type are > > accessdbmwmotorcycles > sausagesandbicycles > ilovetotravel > arthurandraspberryaregreat > > You see that these are impossible to bruteforce, (according to the tool we > played with last year). Impossible to dictionary attack. Easy to type, > easy to remember. > > From hans.andersen at phulse.com Tue Jul 24 02:20:43 2012 From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen) Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2012 00:20:43 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Check password strength In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Yes and no. Certainly, from the perspective of password cracking a password that has been hashed following all the good rules of security (applying a good hashing algorithm, salting it with a secret salt and a unique salt and then some arbitrary number of rounds (or using an adaptive hashing algorithm like bcrypt)), then yes - if some hacker is able to steal a list of password hashes, such a password would be quite difficult to hack. But this is an assumption based on current circumstances and circumstances which you may not have an knowledge or control over. It is hardly difficult to imagine that as technology progresses that hackers are able to improve brute force techniques combined with the additional computing power to comb for grammatically consistent phrases like "ilovetotravel". But, a good password is also only as good as the backend that stores it. Use a password like that on a site that doesn't hash passwords and what's the point? The game is up. And then even for sites that apply MD5 and even SHA1 suffer from collision vulnerabilities. Then there is the issue of "what if someone is looking over your shoulder security". Perhaps that password is decently complex so that John the ripper and whatnot would find it impossible to hack, anyone looking over your shoulder would be able to quickly understand the simplicity of d0g................... And eventually be able to find the right number of dots. I also hear people ridicule rotating passwords on a regular basis. There is a good reason for this. Should an employee write down a password or get their personal computer breached or leave the company, you minimise your exposure to having a third party get access to that and be able to take advantage of it. So, my point is simply that there are many concerns and you need to judge what yours are. Ideally, in my opinion, there is simply no replacement to unique passwords that are (pseudo) randomly generated and making sure that you do not reuse your passwords (only use a password for one specific thing and create a new one for another site or place where you need to login). You should store your passwords in a secure place, like within an encrypted Keepassx file, for instance, or use something like LastPass or Yubikey. If you want proper security, you can't bypass it with some basic assumptions - you need judge the risk you are exposing yourself to on multiple levels and decide what works for you (ie. if you don't care if your X site login is broken into, then go ahead and reuse an easy to remember password). Truly secure passwords are hard to crack, hard to guess and hard to remember. That's the point of security. Best regards, Hans-Christian Andersen On 23 Jul 2012, at 01:32, Mark Breen wrote: > Hi Arthur, > > thanks for the email, we need more linux posts here on dba-Tech. After > all, it is the OS of the future it is the OS of the present ;) > > There was another site posted here about a year ago and it allowed us to > type in a password and it would tell us how long it would take to > bruteforce that password. They provided three metrics, Online Attack > Scenario, Offline Fast Attack Scenario and a Massive Cracking Array > Scenario. > > What the site really demonstrated was that the longer the password the > better, complexity helped, but password length trumped complexity. > > Complex passwords almost always have to be stored in a secure tool, which > itself must be password protected and managed securely. > > With that in mind, I have started to move towards simpler but longer > passwords. My assumption is they are too strong to be bruteforced or > guessed, no dictionary attack is likely to find a match, and the user does > not have to write them done. My longer passwords also have one added > benefit, they are easy to type in. > > samples of easy to remember, easy to type are > > accessdbmwmotorcycles > sausagesandbicycles > ilovetotravel > arthurandraspberryaregreat > > You see that these are impossible to bruteforce, (according to the tool we > played with last year). Impossible to dictionary attack. Easy to type, > easy to remember. > > I used to work with an old carpenter that did not like aluminium ladders, > he only liked to work on wooden ladders. He always said "they fella that > invented those ladders should be made walk up and down one for a day and > see how he likes it". > > I have a colleague that regularly assigns me passwords. I silently take > them, but every time he gives me a password I think "the fella that makes > them up should be made type them in - and remember them - for a month and > see how he likes them". > > Here are the links that someone posted last august > > > https://www.grc.com/haystack.htm > > > http://xkcd.com/936/ > > First one is serious and the second is funny, but the first one is really > interesting. > > Here is a snip from the first link. > > { > The main concept can be understood by answering this question: > > Which of the following two passwords is stronger, > more secure, and more difficult to crack? > > D0g..................... > > PrXyc.N(n4k77#L!eVdAfp9 > > You probably know this is a trick question, but the answer is: Despite the > fact that the first password is HUGELY easier to use and more memorable, it > is also the stronger of the two! In fact, since it is one character longer > and contains uppercase, lowercase, a number and special characters, that > first password would take an attacker approximately 95 times longer to find > by searching than the second impossible-to-remember-or-type password! > } > > Thanks > > Mark > > > > On 23 July 2012 02:59, Arthur Fuller wrote: > >> I lifted the following snippet from nixCraft: >> >> Granted, it's intended for Linux, but I think most of us have a Linux VM >> handy, if for nothing else but occasional experimentation You can always >> flip to Linux to test out your various passwords: >> >> HowTo: Linux Check Password Strength With Cracklib-check >> Command>> >> >> Using the same password on different servers allows attackers to access >> your accounts if cracker manage to steal your password from a less secure >> server. This is true for online website accounts too. So solution is to >> create unique passwords for server accounts like your email, sftp and ssh >> accounts. General guideline to create a strong and unique password is as >> follows: >> >> 1. Create a password with mix of numbers, special symbols, and >> alphabets. >> 2. Make sure your password is hard to guess. You can use tool such as >> makepasswd >> to >> create hard to guess password. >> 3. Do not use simple words like "password", "123456", "123abc" or >> "qwerty". >> 4. Use a unique password for all your server accounts. >> 5. A minimum password length of 12 to 14 characters should be used. See >> how to configure CentOS / RHEL / Fedora Linux based >> server< >> http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/rhel-fedora-centos-linux-password-quality-control/ >>> >> password >> quality requirements. >> 6. Generating passwords randomly where feasible. You can do this with a >> simple shell >> script >> function. >> 7. If possible use two-factor authentication. >> 8. Use pam_crack to ensure strong >> passwords< >> http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/linux-check-passwords-against-a-dictionary-attack.html >>> >> and >> to check passwords against a dictionary attack. >> >> But, how do you test the effectiveness of a password in resisting guessing >> and brute-force attacks under Linux? The answer is simple use >> cracklib-check command. >> Say hello to cracklib-check >> >> This command takes a list of passwords from keyboard >> (stdin) >> and checks them using libcrack2. The idea is simple: try to prevent users >> from choosing passwords that could be guessed by "crack" by filtering them >> out, at source. >> Examples >> >> Test a simple password like "password", enter: >> $ echo "password" | cracklib-check >> Sample outputs: >> >> password: it is based on a dictionary word >> >> Try sequential patterns such as "abc123456": >> $ echo "abc123456" | cracklib-check >> Sample outputs: >> >> abc123456: it is too simplistic/systematic >> >> Try a password with a mix of letters, numbers, and symbols: >> $ echo 'i1oVe|DiZza' | cracklib-check >> Sample outputs: >> >> i1oVe|DiZza: OK >> >> The above password increases the difficulty of guessing or cracking your >> password. I used a random phrase (easy to remember) "I Love Pizza" and >> inserted random characters to create hard a strong password - >> "i1oVe|DiZza". >> Putting it all together >> >> #!/bin/bash# A sample shell script to add user to the system# Check >> password for strength # Written by Vivek Gite under GPL v2.x+# >> ----------------------------------------------read -p "Enter username >> : " userread -sp "Enter password : " passwordechoecho "Tesing password >> strength..."echoresult="$(cracklib-check <<<"$password")"# okay awk is >> bad choice but this is a demo okay="$(awk -F': ' '{ print $2}' >> <<<"$result")"if [[ "$okay" == "OK" ]]then >> echo "Adding a user account please wait..." >> /sbin/useradd -m -s /bin/bash $user >> echo "$user:$password" | /sbin/chpasswdelse >> echo "Your password was rejected - $result" >> echo "Try again."fi >> >> >> Hope this helps someone. >> -- >> Arthur >> Cell: 647.710.1314 >> >> Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. >> -- Niels Bohr >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From marklbreen at gmail.com Tue Jul 24 03:00:56 2012 From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen) Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2012 09:00:56 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Linux equivalent of Office 2013? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello Gustav, Yes, I understand your comments, I first experienced Anti-Microsoft sentiment on this list back in 97 and was shocked when I became aware of it. Over the years, I was always disappointed to see Anti-Microsoft people, I always thought they delivered reasonably good products, and sometimes super products. However, my faith in Microosft started to change from 100% to 85% when I tried to use Vista, VS 2008, SQL Server and struggled with performance. The IE situation also colours my view on MS. That faith was somewhat restored with Win 7. I am still very slow with the ribbon, and resent that slowness. On the up site for MS, I have been using Azure over the last few weeks and it is astonishing, I cannot believe the power it provides. Metro it is the GUI for Windows 2012 Server BTW. Thanks Mark On 20 July 2012 16:07, Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi Mark > > The whining isn't new: > > "I don't need anything more fancy than my Windows 98" > "I have no use for the new features of Office 2003" > "Oh my! A ribbon. I want the menus back!" > > The difference now is that this time Microsoft is ahead of the market. > This, of course, means that it will take some time for the majority to > catch up. > "I don't want Windows 8". Think again. Could you imagine an xPad type > tablet with a Windows interface? Hardly, except if you have very slim > fingers. Further, people like me have no use for an iPad or the like other > than browsing and read mail. Too little to decide for a purchase. > > For the last months I've used Access 2010 a lot more than previously > (=nearly nil). A little to my surprise (lots of whining about the ribbon > also on this list), the ribbon works very well. > > And since the Developer Preview (now the Consumer Preview) I have used > Windows 8 every day and it runs rock steady. The Desktop is one click or > keypress away and I wonder what the lousy Start menu was for. So I'm > looking forward to the 26th of October where Win8 will finally be released > - and probably the Surface machines as well. > > /gustav > > > >>> marklbreen at gmail.com 20-07-12 10:19 >>> > Hello All, > > I know that I am not alone, but does anyone here think that the market are > not going to want to switch to Win8 / Off 13? > > I mean, could this release be the worst every for MS? > > It is the first ever OS and Off release that I dread. > > Finally, did you all see the financial results for MS today?, Imagine what > we will be reading in a years time. > > Or am I being too pessimistic? > > Mark > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From marklbreen at gmail.com Tue Jul 24 03:02:17 2012 From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen) Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2012 09:02:17 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Check password strength In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello Hans-Christian, Thanks for your reply, very nicely articulated. Unfortunately for me, you have forced me to change my mind :( Your examples of looking over the shoulder are valid, in fact all of what you say is valid. As with many times, if it is all done according to best practice, including use of a keepasx file, then we should be safe. I think it is fair to say that almost every situation is slightly different, sometimes physical security trumps the security of the password. However, you have forced me to update my thoughts in ilovetotravel, and d0g..................... I am off to grit my teeth and type in another password that causes me to strain my wrist to type it in :) Mark On 24 July 2012 08:20, Hans-Christian Andersen wrote: > Yes and no. > > Certainly, from the perspective of password cracking a password that has > been hashed following all the good rules of security (applying a good > hashing algorithm, salting it with a secret salt and a unique salt and > then some arbitrary number of rounds (or using an adaptive hashing > algorithm like bcrypt)), then yes - if some hacker is able to steal a list > of password hashes, such a password would be quite difficult to hack. But > this is an assumption based on current circumstances and circumstances > which you may not have an knowledge or control over. It is hardly difficult > to imagine that as technology progresses that hackers are able to improve > brute force techniques combined with the additional computing power to comb > for grammatically consistent phrases like "ilovetotravel". But, a good > password is also only as good as the backend that stores it. Use a password > like that on a site that doesn't hash passwords and what's the point? The > game is up. And then even for sites that! > apply MD5 and even SHA1 suffer from collision vulnerabilities. > > Then there is the issue of "what if someone is looking over your shoulder > security". Perhaps that password is decently complex so that John the > ripper and whatnot would find it impossible to hack, anyone looking over > your shoulder would be able to quickly understand the simplicity of > d0g................... And eventually be able to find the right number of > dots. > > I also hear people ridicule rotating passwords on a regular basis. There > is a good reason for this. Should an employee write down a password or get > their personal computer breached or leave the company, you minimise your > exposure to having a third party get access to that and be able to take > advantage of it. > > So, my point is simply that there are many concerns and you need to judge > what yours are. Ideally, in my opinion, there is simply no replacement to > unique passwords that are (pseudo) randomly generated and making sure that > you do not reuse your passwords (only use a password for one specific thing > and create a new one for another site or place where you need to login). > You should store your passwords in a secure place, like within an encrypted > Keepassx file, for instance, or use something like LastPass or Yubikey. If > you want proper security, you can't bypass it with some basic assumptions - > you need judge the risk you are exposing yourself to on multiple levels and > decide what works for you (ie. if you don't care if your X site login is > broken into, then go ahead and reuse an easy to remember password). > > Truly secure passwords are hard to crack, hard to guess and hard to > remember. That's the point of security. > > Best regards, > Hans-Christian Andersen > > From ssharkins at gmail.com Tue Jul 24 07:10:21 2012 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2012 08:10:21 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Business Intelligence or Data Warehousing Message-ID: TechRepublic's looking for experts in this field interested (and able) to write about it regularly. You won't get rich, but it's easy work and compensation is reasonable. Susan H. From fuller.artful at gmail.com Tue Jul 24 07:29:37 2012 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2012 08:29:37 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Linux equivalent of Office 2013? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Mark, I've had mixed feelings about MS products for years. Some such as Word and some versions of Access I think are totally great. Others such as Windows ME and Vista, not so great. IMO the finest MS product ever produced is SQL Server -- not that it's bug-free, but overall it's a splendid product. I also like Windows 7 a lot. Re: your comment on the ribbon. One day, quite by accident, I discovered that if you hover over the ribbon and then use the mouse wheel, you cycle rapidly through the ribbon items. That discovery went a long way toward making me comfortable with the ribbon, and now I like it a lot. Although I've read a few articles on customizing the ribbon, I still have yet to do so. Maybe someday.... Arthur From peter.brawley at earthlink.net Tue Jul 24 12:02:05 2012 From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley) Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2012 12:02:05 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Linux equivalent of Office 2013? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <500ED50D.6050001@earthlink.net> On 2012-07-24 3:00 AM, Mark Breen wrote: > Hello Gustav, > > Yes, I understand your comments, I first experienced Anti-Microsoft > sentiment on this list back in 97 and was shocked when I became aware of it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Microsoft PB ----- > > Over the years, I was always disappointed to see Anti-Microsoft people, I > always thought they delivered reasonably good products, and sometimes super > products. > > However, my faith in Microosft started to change from 100% to 85% when I > tried to use Vista, VS 2008, SQL Server and struggled with performance. > The IE situation also colours my view on MS. > > That faith was somewhat restored with Win 7. I am still very slow with the > ribbon, and resent that slowness. > > On the up site for MS, I have been using Azure over the last few weeks and > it is astonishing, I cannot believe the power it provides. Metro it is the > GUI for Windows 2012 Server BTW. > > Thanks > > Mark > > > > On 20 July 2012 16:07, Gustav Brock wrote: > >> Hi Mark >> >> The whining isn't new: >> >> "I don't need anything more fancy than my Windows 98" >> "I have no use for the new features of Office 2003" >> "Oh my! A ribbon. I want the menus back!" >> >> The difference now is that this time Microsoft is ahead of the market. >> This, of course, means that it will take some time for the majority to >> catch up. >> "I don't want Windows 8". Think again. Could you imagine an xPad type >> tablet with a Windows interface? Hardly, except if you have very slim >> fingers. Further, people like me have no use for an iPad or the like other >> than browsing and read mail. Too little to decide for a purchase. >> >> For the last months I've used Access 2010 a lot more than previously >> (=nearly nil). A little to my surprise (lots of whining about the ribbon >> also on this list), the ribbon works very well. >> >> And since the Developer Preview (now the Consumer Preview) I have used >> Windows 8 every day and it runs rock steady. The Desktop is one click or >> keypress away and I wonder what the lousy Start menu was for. So I'm >> looking forward to the 26th of October where Win8 will finally be released >> - and probably the Surface machines as well. >> >> /gustav >> >> >>>>> marklbreen at gmail.com 20-07-12 10:19 >>> >> Hello All, >> >> I know that I am not alone, but does anyone here think that the market are >> not going to want to switch to Win8 / Off 13? >> >> I mean, could this release be the worst every for MS? >> >> It is the first ever OS and Off release that I dread. >> >> Finally, did you all see the financial results for MS today?, Imagine what >> we will be reading in a years time. >> >> Or am I being too pessimistic? >> >> Mark >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From hans.andersen at phulse.com Tue Jul 24 21:54:06 2012 From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen) Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2012 19:54:06 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Linux equivalent of Office 2013? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <631C9105-EECB-4AA6-A770-E0FC0A2BDA13@phulse.com> Mark, You say that you find criticism of Microsoft products disappointing and that you generally feel Microsoft delivers good/super products, but, I'm just curious - have you ever really used any of the alternatives or considered what reasons some people choose the alternative over Microsofts offerings? Best regards, Hans-Christian Andersen On 24 Jul 2012, at 01:00, Mark Breen wrote: > Hello Gustav, > > Yes, I understand your comments, I first experienced Anti-Microsoft > sentiment on this list back in 97 and was shocked when I became aware of it. > > Over the years, I was always disappointed to see Anti-Microsoft people, I > always thought they delivered reasonably good products, and sometimes super > products. > > However, my faith in Microosft started to change from 100% to 85% when I > tried to use Vista, VS 2008, SQL Server and struggled with performance. > The IE situation also colours my view on MS. > > That faith was somewhat restored with Win 7. I am still very slow with the > ribbon, and resent that slowness. > > On the up site for MS, I have been using Azure over the last few weeks and > it is astonishing, I cannot believe the power it provides. Metro it is the > GUI for Windows 2012 Server BTW. > > Thanks > > Mark > > > > On 20 July 2012 16:07, Gustav Brock wrote: > >> Hi Mark >> >> The whining isn't new: >> >> "I don't need anything more fancy than my Windows 98" >> "I have no use for the new features of Office 2003" >> "Oh my! A ribbon. I want the menus back!" >> >> The difference now is that this time Microsoft is ahead of the market. >> This, of course, means that it will take some time for the majority to >> catch up. >> "I don't want Windows 8". Think again. Could you imagine an xPad type >> tablet with a Windows interface? Hardly, except if you have very slim >> fingers. Further, people like me have no use for an iPad or the like other >> than browsing and read mail. Too little to decide for a purchase. >> >> For the last months I've used Access 2010 a lot more than previously >> (=nearly nil). A little to my surprise (lots of whining about the ribbon >> also on this list), the ribbon works very well. >> >> And since the Developer Preview (now the Consumer Preview) I have used >> Windows 8 every day and it runs rock steady. The Desktop is one click or >> keypress away and I wonder what the lousy Start menu was for. So I'm >> looking forward to the 26th of October where Win8 will finally be released >> - and probably the Surface machines as well. >> >> /gustav >> >> >>>>> marklbreen at gmail.com 20-07-12 10:19 >>> >> Hello All, >> >> I know that I am not alone, but does anyone here think that the market are >> not going to want to switch to Win8 / Off 13? >> >> I mean, could this release be the worst every for MS? >> >> It is the first ever OS and Off release that I dread. >> >> Finally, did you all see the financial results for MS today?, Imagine what >> we will be reading in a years time. >> >> Or am I being too pessimistic? >> >> Mark >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From marklbreen at gmail.com Wed Jul 25 03:12:57 2012 From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 09:12:57 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Linux equivalent of Office 2013? In-Reply-To: <631C9105-EECB-4AA6-A770-E0FC0A2BDA13@phulse.com> References: <631C9105-EECB-4AA6-A770-E0FC0A2BDA13@phulse.com> Message-ID: Hello Hans-Christian, I suppose, like all the people on this list, I use many software packages. I use one accounts package named TAS Books. I have used Tas since 1992. It has evolved, and the current version is acceptable, and I am happy with it. What TAS has never done is totally change the UI - even from DOS version 1.0 up to today. As a result I am still very fast when using it. I also use Gmail since 2004, that is a software product that has introduced changes, but they introduce the changes seemlessly. In an attempt to answer you question in a broad way, I also use some smaller products, eg RedGate, UltraEdit and many other, each one has faults and each one has highlights. What MS do well is the top level of the software looks ok, IOW, the first 15 minutes. What upsets me is things like the Saving a Dataset in VS, on my machine, in one application, it takes 3-4 minutes to perform that operation. Frankly, MS today reminds me of IBM in 1985 - 1990. To be balanced, I must say that I love Ubuntu, but I recently could not solve a wireless card problem, and could not manage to get a MineCraft Java-based game to work on Ubuntu so I had to revert to Windows 7. I am not sure if I have answered what you are asking, but feel free to probe this point further. I wonder do we expect simply more from Microsoft that its competitors and if so, is that fair? Mark On 25 July 2012 03:54, Hans-Christian Andersen wrote: > Mark, > > You say that you find criticism of Microsoft products disappointing and > that you generally feel Microsoft delivers good/super products, but, I'm > just curious - have you ever really used any of the alternatives or > considered what reasons some people choose the alternative over Microsofts > offerings? > > Best regards, > Hans-Christian Andersen > > > On 24 Jul 2012, at 01:00, Mark Breen wrote: > > > Hello Gustav, > > > > Yes, I understand your comments, I first experienced Anti-Microsoft > > sentiment on this list back in 97 and was shocked when I became aware of > it. > > > > Over the years, I was always disappointed to see Anti-Microsoft people, I > > always thought they delivered reasonably good products, and sometimes > super > > products. > > > > However, my faith in Microosft started to change from 100% to 85% when I > > tried to use Vista, VS 2008, SQL Server and struggled with performance. > > The IE situation also colours my view on MS. > > > > That faith was somewhat restored with Win 7. I am still very slow with > the > > ribbon, and resent that slowness. > > > > On the up site for MS, I have been using Azure over the last few weeks > and > > it is astonishing, I cannot believe the power it provides. Metro it is > the > > GUI for Windows 2012 Server BTW. > > > > Thanks > > > > Mark > > > > > > > > On 20 July 2012 16:07, Gustav Brock wrote: > > > >> Hi Mark > >> > >> The whining isn't new: > >> > >> "I don't need anything more fancy than my Windows 98" > >> "I have no use for the new features of Office 2003" > >> "Oh my! A ribbon. I want the menus back!" > >> > >> The difference now is that this time Microsoft is ahead of the market. > >> This, of course, means that it will take some time for the majority to > >> catch up. > >> "I don't want Windows 8". Think again. Could you imagine an xPad type > >> tablet with a Windows interface? Hardly, except if you have very slim > >> fingers. Further, people like me have no use for an iPad or the like > other > >> than browsing and read mail. Too little to decide for a purchase. > >> > >> For the last months I've used Access 2010 a lot more than previously > >> (=nearly nil). A little to my surprise (lots of whining about the ribbon > >> also on this list), the ribbon works very well. > >> > >> And since the Developer Preview (now the Consumer Preview) I have used > >> Windows 8 every day and it runs rock steady. The Desktop is one click or > >> keypress away and I wonder what the lousy Start menu was for. So I'm > >> looking forward to the 26th of October where Win8 will finally be > released > >> - and probably the Surface machines as well. > >> > >> /gustav > >> > >> > >>>>> marklbreen at gmail.com 20-07-12 10:19 >>> > >> Hello All, > >> > >> I know that I am not alone, but does anyone here think that the market > are > >> not going to want to switch to Win8 / Off 13? > >> > >> I mean, could this release be the worst every for MS? > >> > >> It is the first ever OS and Off release that I dread. > >> > >> Finally, did you all see the financial results for MS today?, Imagine > what > >> we will be reading in a years time. > >> > >> Or am I being too pessimistic? > >> > >> Mark > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> dba-Tech mailing list > >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From marklbreen at gmail.com Wed Jul 25 03:17:03 2012 From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 09:17:03 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Batch script help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello John I think I knew of ForFiles, but thanks for reminding us. Very useful Mark. On 20 July 2012 09:50, Tydda Jon - Slough wrote: > Thanks Mark - I spoke to my server guy, and he introduced me to the > concept of "Forfiles": > > forfiles /P "C:\folder" /S /M *.ekb /D -35 /C "cmd /c del @file" > > This searches the C:\folder location for any .ekb files older than 35 days > and deletes them. Pretty awesome stuff, and free with Windows 7! > > > Jon > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto: > dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen > Sent: 20 July 2012 09:16 > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Batch script help > > Hello John, > > If you are using SQL Server, take a look at expressmaint, it is opensource > and does everything you can ask for re backups on SQL Server. It is really > super. > > If Expressmaint does not do the job, then see see I am sorry that I cannot > credit the site I caught this snippit from, but I have been using it daily > for two years and it works great. > > Can you adjust it to do what you want ? > > > :: This file just sets the folder and then identifies the latest file and > then copys it. > > > @echo off > setLocal EnableDelayedExpansion > pushd C:\MyFolder\ > for /f "tokens=* delims= " %%a in ('dir/b/od *.sql') do (set newest=%%a) > copy "%newest%" C:\FilesToRestore\db.sql > > > > > Mark > > > > On 19 July 2012 10:34, Tydda Jon - Slough wrote: > > > Hi all > > > > > > I've created a scheduled task to copy local database backup files to a > > network drive so they get backed up for longer. That bit is easy. > > > > What I really want to do is to limit the folder to the last five > > backups, so that I'm not filling the file server (and all the hourly > > snapshots) with old data that won't ever be looked at again. > > > > I've searched for a script to delete the oldest file in a folder, but > > with no joy - I'm trying to do this with a batch command (Windows 7). > > > > Can anyone help? > > > > > > Jon > From fuller.artful at gmail.com Wed Jul 25 07:37:04 2012 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 08:37:04 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Who Invented the Internet? Message-ID: Gordon Crovitz: Who Really Invented the Internet?Contrary to legend, it wasn't the federal government, and the Internet had nothing to do with maintaining communications during a war. A telling moment in the presidential race came recently when Barack Obama said: "If you've got a business, you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen." He justified elevating bureaucrats over entrepreneurs by referring to bridges and roads, adding: "The Internet didn't get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all companies could make money off the Internet." It's an urban legend that the government launched the Internet. The myth is that the Pentagon created the Internet to keep its communications lines up even in a nuclear strike. The truth is a more interesting story about how innovation happens?and about how hard it is to build successful technology companies even once the government gets out of the way. For many technologists, the idea of the Internet traces to Vannevar Bush, the presidential science adviser during World War II who oversaw the development of radar and the Manhattan Project. In a 1946 article in The Atlantic titled "As We May Think," Bush defined an ambitious peacetime goal for technologists: Build what he called a "memex" through which "wholly new forms of encyclopedias will appear, ready made with a mesh of associative trails running through them, ready to be dropped into the memex and there amplified." That fired imaginations, and by the 1960s technologists were trying to connect separate physical communications networks into one global network?a "world-wide web." The federal government was involved, modestly, via the Pentagon's Advanced Research Projects Agency Network. Its goal was not maintaining communications during a nuclear attack, and it didn't build the Internet. Robert Taylor, who ran the ARPA program in the 1960s, sent an email to fellow technologists in 2004 setting the record straight: "The creation of the Arpanet was not motivated by considerations of war. The Arpanet was not an Internet. An Internet is a connection between two or more computer networks." If the government didn't invent the Internet, who did? Vinton Cerf developed the TCP/IP protocol, the Internet's backbone, and Tim Berners-Lee gets credit for hyperlinks. Enlarge Image [image: image] [image: image] Xerox PARC Xerox PARC headquarters. But full credit goes to the company where Mr. Taylor worked after leaving ARPA: Xerox. It was at the Xerox PARC labs in Silicon Valley in the 1970s that the Ethernet was developed to link different computer networks. Researchers there also developed the first personal computer (the Xerox Alto) and the graphical user interface that still drives computer usage today. According to a book about Xerox PARC, "Dealers of Lightning" (by Michael Hiltzik), its top researchers realized they couldn't wait for the government to connect different networks, so would have to do it themselves. "We have a more immediate problem than they do," Robert Metcalfe told his colleague John Shoch in 1973. "We have more networks than they do." Mr. Shoch later recalled that ARPA staffers "were working under government funding and university contracts. They had contract administrators . . . and all that slow, lugubrious behavior to contend with." So having created the Internet, why didn't Xerox become the biggest company in the world? The answer explains the disconnect between a government-led view of business and how innovation actually happens. Executives at Xerox headquarters in Rochester, N.Y., were focused on selling copiers. From their standpoint, the Ethernet was important only so that people in an office could link computers to share a copier. Then, in 1979, Steve Jobs negotiated an agreement whereby Xerox's venture-capital division invested $1 million in Apple, with the requirement that Jobs get a full briefing on all the Xerox PARC innovations. "They just had no idea what they had," Jobs later said, after launching hugely profitable Apple computers using concepts developed by Xerox. Xerox's copier business was lucrative for decades, but the company eventually had years of losses during the digital revolution. Xerox managers can console themselves that it's rare for a company to make the transition from one technology era to another. As for the government's role, the Internet was fully privatized in 1995, when a remaining piece of the network run by the National Science Foundation was closed?just as the commercial Web began to boom. Blogger Brian Carnell wrote in 1999: "The Internet, in fact, reaffirms the basic free market critique of large government. Here for 30 years the government had an immensely useful protocol for transferring information, TCP/IP, but it languished. . . . In less than a decade, private concerns have taken that protocol and created one of the most important technological revolutions of the millennia." It's important to understand the history of the Internet because it's too often wrongly cited to justify big government. It's also important to recognize that building great technology businesses requires both innovation and the skills to bring innovations to market. As the contrast between Xerox and Apple shows, few business leaders succeed in this challenge. Those who do?not the government?deserve the credit for making it happen. *(Note: This column has been altered to correct the misattribution of Brian Carnell's quote.)* A version of this article appeared July 23, 2012, on page A11 in the U.S. edition of The Wall Street Journal, with the headline: Who Really Invented the Internet?. -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. -- Niels Bohr From fuller.artful at gmail.com Wed Jul 25 08:06:29 2012 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 09:06:29 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Apple - poor little duck Message-ID: Apple just released its quarterly statement, and sales were off expected targets. The poor little duck sold only 26 million phones, when predictions were for 28 million. -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Life's a beach, and then you drown. -- Artrhur Fuller From accessd at shaw.ca Wed Jul 25 08:53:07 2012 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 06:53:07 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Who Invented the Internet? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5E3073AEE7B8447CA2CC6768323502BE@creativesystemdesigns.com> What should have been made clear was that the government does not create any of this technology but it does bank roll it and it many times the applications go on to bigger and better things. I would have never got into computers, at least not at the level I did, if not for the US government's investments. During the 60s NASA was massively funded by the US government. In order to support the Voyageur planetary exploration program, one of the applications that was required a 3D planetary mapping program. It had to be able to run in a very small amount of memory and create very small files that could be easily communicated back to earth. Some team of developers at a US government funded research lab figured out how to translate a graphic image to digital and then to vector formula (one of the precursors to Postscript and Adobe Illustrator). A vector is just a mathematical formula, that with the help of a translator, can be used to reproduce any shape with any shading. Example: a curve vector can accurately re-create the curves along a ridge of a series of mountains and then with added shape vectors the shading of those mountain ridges can be reproduced. It is all just points and attributes. The vector file is then very small. At that instant, computer mapping was created. It required a mainframe to run the program's huge resource requirements of up to 1 MB of RAM, given twenty simultaneous users, it could not be found any where else and after all, in the 70's there were no PCs yet. Few companies other than governments could even afford the technology. By the time I left the government to start my own company, in the late 80s, I was well trained in the OS languages of Minis and Mainframes and their various application languages like Fortran, Cobol, various proprietary user command languages and job control languages. This was all because of some US government NASA research lab created vector graphics or most importantly took it from concept to application. I owe my life career, to some unknown engineer, from some space development lab, in Huntsville, Alabama, working on a government project. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2012 5:37 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Who Invented the Internet? Gordon Crovitz: Who Really Invented the Internet?Contrary to legend, it wasn't the federal government, and the Internet had nothing to do with maintaining communications during a war. A telling moment in the presidential race came recently when Barack Obama said: "If you've got a business, you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen." He justified elevating bureaucrats over entrepreneurs by referring to bridges and roads, adding: "The Internet didn't get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all companies could make money off the Internet." It's an urban legend that the government launched the Internet. The myth is that the Pentagon created the Internet to keep its communications lines up even in a nuclear strike. The truth is a more interesting story about how innovation happens-and about how hard it is to build successful technology companies even once the government gets out of the way. For many technologists, the idea of the Internet traces to Vannevar Bush, the presidential science adviser during World War II who oversaw the development of radar and the Manhattan Project. In a 1946 article in The Atlantic titled "As We May Think," Bush defined an ambitious peacetime goal for technologists: Build what he called a "memex" through which "wholly new forms of encyclopedias will appear, ready made with a mesh of associative trails running through them, ready to be dropped into the memex and there amplified." That fired imaginations, and by the 1960s technologists were trying to connect separate physical communications networks into one global network-a "world-wide web." The federal government was involved, modestly, via the Pentagon's Advanced Research Projects Agency Network. Its goal was not maintaining communications during a nuclear attack, and it didn't build the Internet. Robert Taylor, who ran the ARPA program in the 1960s, sent an email to fellow technologists in 2004 setting the record straight: "The creation of the Arpanet was not motivated by considerations of war. The Arpanet was not an Internet. An Internet is a connection between two or more computer networks." If the government didn't invent the Internet, who did? Vinton Cerf developed the TCP/IP protocol, the Internet's backbone, and Tim Berners-Lee gets credit for hyperlinks. Enlarge Image [image: image] [image: image] Xerox PARC Xerox PARC headquarters. But full credit goes to the company where Mr. Taylor worked after leaving ARPA: Xerox. It was at the Xerox PARC labs in Silicon Valley in the 1970s that the Ethernet was developed to link different computer networks. Researchers there also developed the first personal computer (the Xerox Alto) and the graphical user interface that still drives computer usage today. According to a book about Xerox PARC, "Dealers of Lightning" (by Michael Hiltzik), its top researchers realized they couldn't wait for the government to connect different networks, so would have to do it themselves. "We have a more immediate problem than they do," Robert Metcalfe told his colleague John Shoch in 1973. "We have more networks than they do." Mr. Shoch later recalled that ARPA staffers "were working under government funding and university contracts. They had contract administrators . . . and all that slow, lugubrious behavior to contend with." So having created the Internet, why didn't Xerox become the biggest company in the world? The answer explains the disconnect between a government-led view of business and how innovation actually happens. Executives at Xerox headquarters in Rochester, N.Y., were focused on selling copiers. From their standpoint, the Ethernet was important only so that people in an office could link computers to share a copier. Then, in 1979, Steve Jobs negotiated an agreement whereby Xerox's venture-capital division invested $1 million in Apple, with the requirement that Jobs get a full briefing on all the Xerox PARC innovations. "They just had no idea what they had," Jobs later said, after launching hugely profitable Apple computers using concepts developed by Xerox. Xerox's copier business was lucrative for decades, but the company eventually had years of losses during the digital revolution. Xerox managers can console themselves that it's rare for a company to make the transition from one technology era to another. As for the government's role, the Internet was fully privatized in 1995, when a remaining piece of the network run by the National Science Foundation was closed-just as the commercial Web began to boom. Blogger Brian Carnell wrote in 1999: "The Internet, in fact, reaffirms the basic free market critique of large government. Here for 30 years the government had an immensely useful protocol for transferring information, TCP/IP, but it languished. . . . In less than a decade, private concerns have taken that protocol and created one of the most important technological revolutions of the millennia." It's important to understand the history of the Internet because it's too often wrongly cited to justify big government. It's also important to recognize that building great technology businesses requires both innovation and the skills to bring innovations to market. As the contrast between Xerox and Apple shows, few business leaders succeed in this challenge. Those who do-not the government-deserve the credit for making it happen. *(Note: This column has been altered to correct the misattribution of Brian Carnell's quote.)* A version of this article appeared July 23, 2012, on page A11 in the U.S. edition of The Wall Street Journal, with the headline: Who Really Invented the Internet?. -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. -- Niels Bohr _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From peter.brawley at earthlink.net Wed Jul 25 11:02:05 2012 From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 11:02:05 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Who Invented the Internet? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5010187D.9020800@earthlink.net> On 2012-07-25 7:37 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > Gordon Crovitz: Who Really Invented the Internet?Contrary to legend, it > wasn't the federal government, and the Internet had nothing to do with > maintaining communications during a war. > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Internet is a less biased account, to put it mildly. PB From tinanfields at torchlake.com Wed Jul 25 11:22:38 2012 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 12:22:38 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Who Invented the Internet? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <50101D4E.5020409@torchlake.com> Thanks for that fascinating and revealing story. The Xerox blindness resembles a blindness I see all around me, and fear I am also sometimes subject to. (Sorry about the dangling participle.) T Tina Norris Fields tinanfields at torchlake.com 231-322-2787 On 7/25/2012 8:37 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > Gordon Crovitz: Who Really Invented the Internet?Contrary to legend, it > wasn't the federal government, and the Internet had nothing to do with > maintaining communications during a war. > > A telling moment in the presidential race came recently when Barack Obama > said: "If you've got a business, you didn't build that. Somebody else made > that happen." He justified elevating bureaucrats over entrepreneurs by > referring to bridges and roads, adding: "The Internet didn't get invented > on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all companies > could make money off the Internet." > > It's an urban legend that the government launched the Internet. The myth is > that the Pentagon created the Internet to keep its communications lines up > even in a nuclear strike. The truth is a more interesting story about how > innovation happens?and about how hard it is to build successful technology > companies even once the government gets out of the way. > > For many technologists, the idea of the Internet traces to Vannevar Bush, > the presidential science adviser during World War II who oversaw the > development of radar and the Manhattan Project. In a 1946 article in The > Atlantic titled "As We May Think," Bush defined an ambitious peacetime goal > for technologists: Build what he called a "memex" through which "wholly new > forms of encyclopedias will appear, ready made with a mesh of associative > trails running through them, ready to be dropped into the memex and there > amplified." > > That fired imaginations, and by the 1960s technologists were trying to > connect separate physical communications networks into one global network?a > "world-wide web." The federal government was involved, modestly, via the > Pentagon's Advanced Research Projects Agency Network. Its goal was not > maintaining communications during a nuclear attack, and it didn't build the > Internet. Robert Taylor, who ran the ARPA program in the 1960s, sent an > email to fellow technologists in 2004 setting the record straight: "The > creation of the Arpanet was not motivated by considerations of war. The > Arpanet was not an Internet. An Internet is a connection between two or > more computer networks." > > If the government didn't invent the Internet, who did? Vinton Cerf > developed the TCP/IP protocol, the Internet's backbone, and Tim Berners-Lee > gets credit for hyperlinks. > > Enlarge Image > [image: image] > [image: image] > Xerox PARC > > Xerox PARC headquarters. > > But full credit goes to the company where Mr. Taylor worked after leaving > ARPA: Xerox. It was at the Xerox PARC labs in Silicon Valley in the 1970s > that the Ethernet was developed to link different computer networks. > Researchers there also developed the first personal computer (the Xerox > Alto) and the graphical user interface that still drives computer usage > today. > > According to a book about Xerox PARC, "Dealers of Lightning" (by Michael > Hiltzik), its top researchers realized they couldn't wait for the > government to connect different networks, so would have to do it > themselves. "We have a more immediate problem than they do," Robert > Metcalfe told his colleague John Shoch in 1973. "We have more networks than > they do." Mr. Shoch later recalled that ARPA staffers "were working under > government funding and university contracts. They had contract > administrators . . . and all that slow, lugubrious behavior to contend > with." > > So having created the Internet, why didn't Xerox become the biggest company > in the world? The answer explains the disconnect between a government-led > view of business and how innovation actually happens. > > Executives at Xerox headquarters in Rochester, N.Y., were focused on > selling copiers. From their standpoint, the Ethernet was important only so > that people in an office could link computers to share a copier. Then, in > 1979, Steve Jobs negotiated an agreement whereby Xerox's venture-capital > division invested $1 million in Apple, with the requirement that Jobs get a > full briefing on all the Xerox PARC innovations. "They just had no idea > what they had," Jobs later said, after launching hugely profitable Apple > computers using concepts developed by Xerox. > > Xerox's copier business was lucrative for decades, but the company > eventually had years of losses during the digital revolution. Xerox > managers can console themselves that it's rare for a company to make the > transition from one technology era to another. > > As for the government's role, the Internet was fully privatized in 1995, > when a remaining piece of the network run by the National Science > Foundation was closed?just as the commercial Web began to boom. Blogger > Brian Carnell wrote in 1999: "The Internet, in fact, reaffirms the basic > free market critique of large government. Here for 30 years the government > had an immensely useful protocol for transferring information, TCP/IP, but > it languished. . . . In less than a decade, private concerns have taken > that protocol and created one of the most important technological > revolutions of the millennia." > > It's important to understand the history of the Internet because it's too > often wrongly cited to justify big government. It's also important to > recognize that building great technology businesses requires both > innovation and the skills to bring innovations to market. As the contrast > between Xerox and Apple shows, few business leaders succeed in this > challenge. Those who do?not the government?deserve the credit for making it > happen. > > *(Note: This column has been altered to correct the misattribution of Brian > Carnell's quote.)* > > A version of this article appeared July 23, 2012, on page A11 in the U.S. > edition of The Wall Street Journal, with the headline: Who Really Invented > the Internet?. > From djkr at msn.com Wed Jul 25 11:48:42 2012 From: djkr at msn.com (DJK (John) Robinson) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 17:48:42 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Who Invented the Internet? In-Reply-To: <50101D4E.5020409@torchlake.com> Message-ID: Dangling *prepositions* are one thing up with which we will not put! ;-) John -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris Fields Sent: 25 July 2012 17:23 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Who Invented the Internet? Thanks for that fascinating and revealing story. The Xerox blindness resembles a blindness I see all around me, and fear I am also sometimes subject to. (Sorry about the dangling participle.) T Tina Norris Fields tinanfields at torchlake.com 231-322-2787 On 7/25/2012 8:37 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > Gordon Crovitz: Who Really Invented the Internet?Contrary to legend, > it wasn't the federal government, and the Internet had nothing to do > with maintaining communications during a war. > > A telling moment in the presidential race came recently when Barack > Obama > said: "If you've got a business, you didn't build that. Somebody else made > that happen." He justified elevating bureaucrats over entrepreneurs by > referring to bridges and roads, adding: "The Internet didn't get invented > on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all companies > could make money off the Internet." > > It's an urban legend that the government launched the Internet. The > myth is that the Pentagon created the Internet to keep its > communications lines up even in a nuclear strike. The truth is a more > interesting story about how innovation happens-and about how hard it > is to build successful technology companies even once the government > gets out of the way. > > For many technologists, the idea of the Internet traces to Vannevar > Bush, the presidential science adviser during World War II who oversaw > the development of radar and the Manhattan Project. In a 1946 article > in The Atlantic titled "As We May Think," Bush defined an ambitious > peacetime goal for technologists: Build what he called a "memex" > through which "wholly new forms of encyclopedias will appear, ready > made with a mesh of associative trails running through them, ready to > be dropped into the memex and there amplified." > > That fired imaginations, and by the 1960s technologists were trying to > connect separate physical communications networks into one global > network-a "world-wide web." The federal government was involved, > modestly, via the Pentagon's Advanced Research Projects Agency > Network. Its goal was not maintaining communications during a nuclear > attack, and it didn't build the Internet. Robert Taylor, who ran the > ARPA program in the 1960s, sent an email to fellow technologists in > 2004 setting the record straight: "The creation of the Arpanet was not > motivated by considerations of war. The Arpanet was not an Internet. > An Internet is a connection between two or more computer networks." > > If the government didn't invent the Internet, who did? Vinton Cerf > developed the TCP/IP protocol, the Internet's backbone, and Tim > Berners-Lee gets credit for hyperlinks. > > Enlarge Image > [image: image] > [image: image] > Xerox PARC > > Xerox PARC headquarters. > > But full credit goes to the company where Mr. Taylor worked after > leaving > ARPA: Xerox. It was at the Xerox PARC labs in Silicon Valley in the 1970s > that the Ethernet was developed to link different computer networks. > Researchers there also developed the first personal computer (the Xerox > Alto) and the graphical user interface that still drives computer usage > today. > > According to a book about Xerox PARC, "Dealers of Lightning" (by > Michael Hiltzik), its top researchers realized they couldn't wait for > the government to connect different networks, so would have to do it > themselves. "We have a more immediate problem than they do," Robert > Metcalfe told his colleague John Shoch in 1973. "We have more networks > than they do." Mr. Shoch later recalled that ARPA staffers "were > working under government funding and university contracts. They had > contract administrators . . . and all that slow, lugubrious behavior > to contend with." > > So having created the Internet, why didn't Xerox become the biggest > company in the world? The answer explains the disconnect between a > government-led view of business and how innovation actually happens. > > Executives at Xerox headquarters in Rochester, N.Y., were focused on > selling copiers. From their standpoint, the Ethernet was important > only so that people in an office could link computers to share a > copier. Then, in 1979, Steve Jobs negotiated an agreement whereby > Xerox's venture-capital division invested $1 million in Apple, with > the requirement that Jobs get a full briefing on all the Xerox PARC > innovations. "They just had no idea what they had," Jobs later said, > after launching hugely profitable Apple computers using concepts > developed by Xerox. > > Xerox's copier business was lucrative for decades, but the company > eventually had years of losses during the digital revolution. Xerox > managers can console themselves that it's rare for a company to make > the transition from one technology era to another. > > As for the government's role, the Internet was fully privatized in > 1995, when a remaining piece of the network run by the National > Science Foundation was closed-just as the commercial Web began to > boom. Blogger Brian Carnell wrote in 1999: "The Internet, in fact, > reaffirms the basic free market critique of large government. Here for > 30 years the government had an immensely useful protocol for > transferring information, TCP/IP, but it languished. . . . In less > than a decade, private concerns have taken that protocol and created > one of the most important technological revolutions of the millennia." > > It's important to understand the history of the Internet because it's > too often wrongly cited to justify big government. It's also important > to recognize that building great technology businesses requires both > innovation and the skills to bring innovations to market. As the > contrast between Xerox and Apple shows, few business leaders succeed > in this challenge. Those who do-not the government-deserve the credit > for making it happen. > > *(Note: This column has been altered to correct the misattribution of > Brian Carnell's quote.)* > > A version of this article appeared July 23, 2012, on page A11 in the > U.S. edition of The Wall Street Journal, with the headline: Who Really > Invented the Internet?. > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From tinanfields at torchlake.com Wed Jul 25 12:06:51 2012 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 13:06:51 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Who Invented the Internet? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <501027AB.3040706@torchlake.com> Dang! Thanks for the good catch! T Tina Norris Fields tinanfields at torchlake.com 231-322-2787 On 7/25/2012 12:48 PM, DJK (John) Robinson wrote: > Dangling *prepositions* are one thing up with which we will not put! ;-) > > John > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris > Fields > Sent: 25 July 2012 17:23 > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Who Invented the Internet? > > > Thanks for that fascinating and revealing story. The Xerox blindness > resembles a blindness I see all around me, and fear I am also sometimes > subject to. (Sorry about the dangling participle.) > T > > Tina Norris Fields > tinanfields at torchlake.com > 231-322-2787 > > On 7/25/2012 8:37 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote: >> Gordon Crovitz: Who Really Invented the Internet?Contrary to legend, >> it wasn't the federal government, and the Internet had nothing to do >> with maintaining communications during a war. >> >> A telling moment in the presidential race came recently when Barack >> Obama >> said: "If you've got a business, you didn't build that. Somebody else made >> that happen." He justified elevating bureaucrats over entrepreneurs by >> referring to bridges and roads, adding: "The Internet didn't get invented >> on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all companies >> could make money off the Internet." >> >> It's an urban legend that the government launched the Internet. The >> myth is that the Pentagon created the Internet to keep its >> communications lines up even in a nuclear strike. The truth is a more >> interesting story about how innovation happens-and about how hard it >> is to build successful technology companies even once the government >> gets out of the way. >> >> For many technologists, the idea of the Internet traces to Vannevar >> Bush, the presidential science adviser during World War II who oversaw >> the development of radar and the Manhattan Project. In a 1946 article >> in The Atlantic titled "As We May Think," Bush defined an ambitious >> peacetime goal for technologists: Build what he called a "memex" >> through which "wholly new forms of encyclopedias will appear, ready >> made with a mesh of associative trails running through them, ready to >> be dropped into the memex and there amplified." >> >> That fired imaginations, and by the 1960s technologists were trying to >> connect separate physical communications networks into one global >> network-a "world-wide web." The federal government was involved, >> modestly, via the Pentagon's Advanced Research Projects Agency >> Network. Its goal was not maintaining communications during a nuclear >> attack, and it didn't build the Internet. Robert Taylor, who ran the >> ARPA program in the 1960s, sent an email to fellow technologists in >> 2004 setting the record straight: "The creation of the Arpanet was not >> motivated by considerations of war. The Arpanet was not an Internet. >> An Internet is a connection between two or more computer networks." >> >> If the government didn't invent the Internet, who did? Vinton Cerf >> developed the TCP/IP protocol, the Internet's backbone, and Tim >> Berners-Lee gets credit for hyperlinks. >> >> Enlarge Image >> [image: image] >> [image: image] >> Xerox PARC >> >> Xerox PARC headquarters. >> >> But full credit goes to the company where Mr. Taylor worked after >> leaving >> ARPA: Xerox. It was at the Xerox PARC labs in Silicon Valley in the 1970s >> that the Ethernet was developed to link different computer networks. >> Researchers there also developed the first personal computer (the Xerox >> Alto) and the graphical user interface that still drives computer usage >> today. >> >> According to a book about Xerox PARC, "Dealers of Lightning" (by >> Michael Hiltzik), its top researchers realized they couldn't wait for >> the government to connect different networks, so would have to do it >> themselves. "We have a more immediate problem than they do," Robert >> Metcalfe told his colleague John Shoch in 1973. "We have more networks >> than they do." Mr. Shoch later recalled that ARPA staffers "were >> working under government funding and university contracts. They had >> contract administrators . . . and all that slow, lugubrious behavior >> to contend with." >> >> So having created the Internet, why didn't Xerox become the biggest >> company in the world? The answer explains the disconnect between a >> government-led view of business and how innovation actually happens. >> >> Executives at Xerox headquarters in Rochester, N.Y., were focused on >> selling copiers. From their standpoint, the Ethernet was important >> only so that people in an office could link computers to share a >> copier. Then, in 1979, Steve Jobs negotiated an agreement whereby >> Xerox's venture-capital division invested $1 million in Apple, with >> the requirement that Jobs get a full briefing on all the Xerox PARC >> innovations. "They just had no idea what they had," Jobs later said, >> after launching hugely profitable Apple computers using concepts >> developed by Xerox. >> >> Xerox's copier business was lucrative for decades, but the company >> eventually had years of losses during the digital revolution. Xerox >> managers can console themselves that it's rare for a company to make >> the transition from one technology era to another. >> >> As for the government's role, the Internet was fully privatized in >> 1995, when a remaining piece of the network run by the National >> Science Foundation was closed-just as the commercial Web began to >> boom. Blogger Brian Carnell wrote in 1999: "The Internet, in fact, >> reaffirms the basic free market critique of large government. Here for >> 30 years the government had an immensely useful protocol for >> transferring information, TCP/IP, but it languished. . . . In less >> than a decade, private concerns have taken that protocol and created >> one of the most important technological revolutions of the millennia." >> >> It's important to understand the history of the Internet because it's >> too often wrongly cited to justify big government. It's also important >> to recognize that building great technology businesses requires both >> innovation and the skills to bring innovations to market. As the >> contrast between Xerox and Apple shows, few business leaders succeed >> in this challenge. Those who do-not the government-deserve the credit >> for making it happen. >> >> *(Note: This column has been altered to correct the misattribution of >> Brian Carnell's quote.)* >> >> A version of this article appeared July 23, 2012, on page A11 in the >> U.S. edition of The Wall Street Journal, with the headline: Who Really >> Invented the Internet?. >> > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Thu Jul 26 16:34:55 2012 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 07:34:55 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Migration Tools - SQL Server to MySQL In-Reply-To: <7F258A947BDA4B1DB53497FF02E64157@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: , <016e01cd1760$5c7679e0$15636da0$@mattysconsulting.com>, <7F258A947BDA4B1DB53497FF02E64157@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <5011B7FF.12852.172A3F0C@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Oracle new migration tools will move data from Microsoft SQL Server to MySQL, which Oracle bought from Sun. The tools come as part of the MySQL Workbench. ... With the migration tool Oracle is also offering a MySQL for Excel plug-in, which it said would allow data analysts to play with data in Microsoft?s spreadsheet without needing to know MySQL. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/07/26/oracle_mysql_migration_tools/ -- Stuart From fuller.artful at gmail.com Fri Jul 27 05:28:53 2012 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 06:28:53 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] OneNote question Message-ID: Whenever I create a new notebook in OneNote, I am asked whether I will use the notebook on other computers. I have always said No, but shortly I shall be acquiring a new laptop. Now I'm wondering whether I'll just be able to copy all my OneNote files from my desktop to the laptop. What does OneNote do differently if I specify that I will be using a notebook on other computers? TIA. -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. -- Niels Bohr From jon.tydda at lonza.com Fri Jul 27 05:38:32 2012 From: jon.tydda at lonza.com (Tydda Jon - Slough) Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 12:38:32 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] OneNote question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I don't know about that, but it's really easy to migrate your OneNote documents - they're in a folder in your "My Documents", and you just copy that from one pc to another. Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: 27 July 2012 11:29 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] OneNote question Whenever I create a new notebook in OneNote, I am asked whether I will use the notebook on other computers. I have always said No, but shortly I shall be acquiring a new laptop. Now I'm wondering whether I'll just be able to copy all my OneNote files from my desktop to the laptop. What does OneNote do differently if I specify that I will be using a notebook on other computers? TIA. -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. -- Niels Bohr _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com This communication and its attachments, if any, may contain confidential and privileged information the use of which by other persons or entities than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you receive this transmission in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete the material from your system. From fuller.artful at gmail.com Fri Jul 27 05:42:57 2012 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 06:42:57 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] OneNote question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Cool! Thanks, Jon. I was initially slow to adopt OneNote, but now I love it. I've got a bunch of notebooks now, One for SQL, another for VBA snippets, another for recipes that I grab from the Internet, another for the daily tasks that I perform on a remote client, etc. Now I'm convinced that it is a great program. A. On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 6:38 AM, Tydda Jon - Slough wrote: > I don't know about that, but it's really easy to migrate your OneNote > documents - they're in a folder in your "My Documents", and you just copy > that from one pc to another. > > > Jon > > From jon.tydda at lonza.com Fri Jul 27 05:46:43 2012 From: jon.tydda at lonza.com (Tydda Jon - Slough) Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 12:46:43 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] OneNote question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: My bosses are trying to convince us that it's the way forward - lots of shared OneNotes, but we're still not quite seeing the light yet :-) Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: 27 July 2012 11:43 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] OneNote question Cool! Thanks, Jon. I was initially slow to adopt OneNote, but now I love it. I've got a bunch of notebooks now, One for SQL, another for VBA snippets, another for recipes that I grab from the Internet, another for the daily tasks that I perform on a remote client, etc. Now I'm convinced that it is a great program. A. On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 6:38 AM, Tydda Jon - Slough wrote: > I don't know about that, but it's really easy to migrate your OneNote > documents - they're in a folder in your "My Documents", and you just > copy that from one pc to another. > > > Jon > > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com This communication and its attachments, if any, may contain confidential and privileged information the use of which by other persons or entities than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you receive this transmission in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete the material from your system. From gustav at cactus.dk Fri Jul 27 06:14:16 2012 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 13:14:16 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] OneNote question Message-ID: Hi Jon So the bosses drive the IT show? That's rare - I think you should appreciate it and support it. /gustav PS: Neither have I seen the light yet but I do hear Arthur. >>> jon.tydda at lonza.com 27-07-12 12:46 >>> My bosses are trying to convince us that it's the way forward - lots of shared OneNotes, but we're still not quite seeing the light yet :-) Jon From fuller.artful at gmail.com Fri Jul 27 06:59:58 2012 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 07:59:58 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] OneNote question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: OneNote also comes with a number of sample notebooks that give you some good starting points. One feature that I particularly like about OneNote is that you can copy and paste Excel worksheets, Word documents, etc. directly into it. When you do so, it automatically adds a URL indicating the source of the pasted data. On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 7:14 AM, Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi Jon > > So the bosses drive the IT show? That's rare - I think you should > appreciate it and support it. > > /gustav > > PS: Neither have I seen the light yet but I do hear Arthur. > > From fuller.artful at gmail.com Fri Jul 27 07:23:25 2012 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 08:23:25 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] RIM offers developers $10K Message-ID: >From iProgrammer: Apps for BlackBerry Dev Alpha Can Roll OutWritten by Kay Ewbank Tuesday, 24 July 2012 11:17 RIM has updated the BlackBerry Dev Alpha software so you can now submit your BlackBerry 10 apps into BlackBerry App World. While the perilous state of RIM and BlackBerry might make you wonder if this is worth doing, it would mean you?re working towards earning the $10,000 RIM has promised every developer who builds a "certified" app for the platform. When RIM rolled out the BlackBerry 10 at BlackBerry World in May the big news for devs was a guaranteed income of $10k for apps developed for the new platform. Anyone who decided to take up RIM's offer can now submit BlackBerry 10 apps to the App World . -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. -- Niels Bohr From fuller.artful at gmail.com Fri Jul 27 10:17:42 2012 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 11:17:42 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: Global Warming Message-ID: Given the high IQ base of members of this list, I would assume that virtually everyone here accepts the ugly facts of global warming. But the facts just grew even uglier. See http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/greenland-melt.html for a particularly grim portrait of the (formerly huge) Greenland glacier, now a mere wisp of ice. I've read, here and there, of the consequences of a rise in the oceans of a mere meter: sayonara, NYC (especially Manhattan), Florida, much of Boston and Japan. Were I a land-owner in any of these jurisdictions, I'd be thinking seriously of dumping my ownings asap. Perhaps fortunately, I don't own land anywhere, so for me personally this is not a problem; however, the ancillary effects will definitely touch me, and millions of others located far from any ocean. Couple this with the drought levels in the corn-and-soybean states (Ohio, Michigan, etc.) and we can anticipate a huge price increase in beef, chicken and other meats. If I were wealthy enough to own a large freezer, I would definitely think about buying as much of the aforementioned as possible. Most (North American) livestock is fed with the by-products of corn and soy, and this disastrous heat-wave and drought are going to cause huge price increases. Not even the vegans among us are immune to this, IMO. -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. -- Niels Bohr But sometimes it's easier than others. -- Arthur Fuller From fuller.artful at gmail.com Fri Jul 27 10:31:57 2012 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 11:31:57 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Migration Tools - SQL Server to MySQL In-Reply-To: <5011B7FF.12852.172A3F0C@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <016e01cd1760$5c7679e0$15636da0$@mattysconsulting.com> <7F258A947BDA4B1DB53497FF02E64157@creativesystemdesigns.com> <5011B7FF.12852.172A3F0C@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: If you've tried them, I want to know whether this migration tool can support the redefinition of the hierarchy, for example, the AdventureWorks sample database, which takes advantage of the new hierarchy. Can this tool deal with this new schema intelligently? A. On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 5:34 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote: > Oracle new migration tools will move data from Microsoft SQL Server to > MySQL, which > Oracle bought from Sun. The tools come as part of the MySQL Workbench. > ... > With the migration tool Oracle is also offering a MySQL for Excel plug-in, > which it said would > allow data analysts to play with data in Microsoft?s spreadsheet without > needing to know > MySQL. > > > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/07/26/oracle_mysql_migration_tools/ > > From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Fri Jul 27 10:40:44 2012 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (rockysmolin at bchacc.com) Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 08:40:44 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: Global Warming Message-ID: <20120727084044.86c3debdd1c3983866efe200e2feb95f.fd303f7fc2.wbe@email18.secureserver.net> Global warming is not longer in serious dispute. The controversy is over what effect human activity has on global warming, and if it does whether or not something can be done to reverse it or mitigate the effects of our activities, and, most importantly, if we think we can do something about it, how much money should be spent doing it and by whom. Rocky -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: Global Warming From: Arthur Fuller Date: Fri, July 27, 2012 8:17 am To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Given the high IQ base of members of this list, I would assume that virtually everyone here accepts the ugly facts of global warming. But the facts just grew even uglier. See http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/greenland-melt.html for a particularly grim portrait of the (formerly huge) Greenland glacier, now a mere wisp of ice. I've read, here and there, of the consequences of a rise in the oceans of a mere meter: sayonara, NYC (especially Manhattan), Florida, much of Boston and Japan. Were I a land-owner in any of these jurisdictions, I'd be thinking seriously of dumping my ownings asap. Perhaps fortunately, I don't own land anywhere, so for me personally this is not a problem; however, the ancillary effects will definitely touch me, and millions of others located far from any ocean. Couple this with the drought levels in the corn-and-soybean states (Ohio, Michigan, etc.) and we can anticipate a huge price increase in beef, chicken and other meats. If I were wealthy enough to own a large freezer, I would definitely think about buying as much of the aforementioned as possible. Most (North American) livestock is fed with the by-products of corn and soy, and this disastrous heat-wave and drought are going to cause huge price increases. Not even the vegans among us are immune to this, IMO. -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. -- Niels Bohr But sometimes it's easier than others. -- Arthur Fuller _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From peter.brawley at earthlink.net Fri Jul 27 11:36:02 2012 From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley) Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 11:36:02 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: Global Warming In-Reply-To: <20120727084044.86c3debdd1c3983866efe200e2feb95f.fd303f7fc2.wbe@email18.secureserver.net> References: <20120727084044.86c3debdd1c3983866efe200e2feb95f.fd303f7fc2.wbe@email18.secureserver.net> Message-ID: <5012C372.3000200@earthlink.net> On 2012-07-27 10:40 AM, rockysmolin at bchacc.com wrote: > Global warming is not longer in serious dispute. Dispute about AGM is not scientific, not intellectual, but it sure is serious: big money buying propaganda and paying legislators to obstruct remediation and green energy development. PB ------ > The controversy is > over what effect human activity has on global warming, and if it does > whether or not something can be done to reverse it or mitigate the > effects of our activities, and, most importantly, if we think we can do > something about it, how much money should be spent doing it and by whom. > > Rocky > > > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: Global Warming > From: Arthur Fuller > Date: Fri, July 27, 2012 8:17 am > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > > Given the high IQ base of members of this list, I would assume that > virtually everyone here accepts the ugly facts of global warming. But > the > facts just grew even uglier. See > http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/greenland-melt.html for a > particularly grim portrait of the (formerly huge) Greenland glacier, now > a > mere wisp of ice. > > I've read, here and there, of the consequences of a rise in the oceans > of a > mere meter: sayonara, NYC (especially Manhattan), Florida, much of > Boston > and Japan. Were I a land-owner in any of these jurisdictions, I'd be > thinking seriously of dumping my ownings asap. Perhaps fortunately, I > don't > own land anywhere, so for me personally this is not a problem; however, > the > ancillary effects will definitely touch me, and millions of others > located > far from any ocean. > > Couple this with the drought levels in the corn-and-soybean states > (Ohio, > Michigan, etc.) and we can anticipate a huge price increase in beef, > chicken and other meats. If I were wealthy enough to own a large > freezer, I > would definitely think about buying as much of the aforementioned as > possible. Most (North American) livestock is fed with the by-products of > corn and soy, and this disastrous heat-wave and drought are going to > cause > huge price increases. Not even the vegans among us are immune to this, > IMO. > From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Fri Jul 27 16:06:28 2012 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2012 07:06:28 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: Global Warming In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <501302D4.173.3B3C238@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Here we go again. More alarmist claptrap. I expect those with a high IQ to spot the errors in that one easily enough. Hot winds over a few days caused another periodic *surface melt* for a couple of days. Which refroze a couple of days later. That "mere whisp" of ice is still miles deep. ""Ice cores from Summit show that melting events of this type occur about once every 150 years on average. With the last one happening in 1889, this event is right on time," says Lora Koenig, a Goddard glaciologist and a member of the research team analyzing the satellite data." Here's what it currently looks like at SUmmit Camp: http://www.summitcamp.org/status/webcam/ So did those Victorian SUVs cause the last one in 1889? , How about the one 150 years before that in the middle of the Little Ice Age, and all the previous ones? See rise is at most 3mm per year and probably a lot less. It's no faster than it's been for the last few thousand years. I might start worrying when Al Gore stops buying new beachfromt properties. As for the heatwave/dought in Ohio etc - it's nothing compared to the '30s and weather on less than 1% of the earth's surface while large parts of the globe are experiencing below average temperature is not an indication of "global" warming. In fact the current estimates are that losses will be similar to the 1908 and 1988 droughts in the same regions resulting in . a possible3- 5% increase iin prices for some commodities Your Neils Bohr quote is very apposite - especially if you are relying on flawed computer models for your predictions. Nothing to see here .... move along. -- Stuart On 27 Jul 2012 at 11:17, Arthur Fuller wrote: > Given the high IQ base of members of this list, I would assume that > virtually everyone here accepts the ugly facts of global warming. But the > facts just grew even uglier. See > http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/greenland-melt.html for a > particularly grim portrait of the (formerly huge) Greenland glacier, now a > mere wisp of ice. > > I've read, here and there, of the consequences of a rise in the oceans of a > mere meter: sayonara, NYC (especially Manhattan), Florida, much of Boston > and Japan. Were I a land-owner in any of these jurisdictions, I'd be > thinking seriously of dumping my ownings asap. Perhaps fortunately, I don't > own land anywhere, so for me personally this is not a problem; however, the > ancillary effects will definitely touch me, and millions of others located > far from any ocean. > > Couple this with the drought levels in the corn-and-soybean states (Ohio, > Michigan, etc.) and we can anticipate a huge price increase in beef, > chicken and other meats. If I were wealthy enough to own a large freezer, I > would definitely think about buying as much of the aforementioned as > possible. Most (North American) livestock is fed with the by-products of > corn and soy, and this disastrous heat-wave and drought are going to cause > huge price increases. Not even the vegans among us are immune to this, IMO. > > -- > Arthur > Cell: 647.710.1314 > > Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. > -- Niels Bohr > But sometimes it's easier than others. > -- Arthur Fuller > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From df.waters at comcast.net Sat Jul 28 11:26:12 2012 From: df.waters at comcast.net (Dan Waters) Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2012 11:26:12 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: Global Warming In-Reply-To: <501302D4.173.3B3C238@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <501302D4.173.3B3C238@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <000001cd6cdd$b4536970$1cfa3c50$@comcast.net> Sorry Stuart - I have a high IQ and know the difference between a periodic event like the short term melting of ice across Greenland, and the continuous increase in earth's average temperature caused by an increase in CO2 due to human activities. Global warming due to our activities is very real. I remember my father, a professor of fisheries and wildlife at the U of Minnesota, telling our family 40 years ago about global warming. He and his colleagues had begun to observe unexpected changes in the trends of their data, or unexpected variation. At the time, they knew what the cause was but no one then was collecting data to prove it. Today, we have an overwhelming amount of data. Rapid global warming has happened in earth's history before. Last year National Geographic published an article about an event that happened about 150M years ago where the sea levels rose over 200 feet. The geologists who wrote the story were able to determine that it was caused by a release of CO2 into the atmosphere equal to the amount CO2 being released by all the fossil fuel that we know exists. We have currently burned about 10% of all the fossil fuel we know about. It took about 150,000 years for the excess CO2 to be absorbed back into the earth and out of the atmosphere. The story is titled 'World Without Ice'. I don't think that geologists who publish well-researched articles in National Geographic would be called 'alarmist'. It's also important to remember that global warming is global, not local. All meteorologists today will say that local weather will change, but they don't know how. The key measure for global warming is earth average temperature. Compared to what we've been able to determine back hundreds of thousands of years, earth's average temperature today is absolutely skyrocketing. So Stuart - stand by. Dan -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Friday, July 27, 2012 4:06 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] OT: Global Warming Here we go again. More alarmist claptrap. I expect those with a high IQ to spot the errors in that one easily enough. Hot winds over a few days caused another periodic *surface melt* for a couple of days. Which refroze a couple of days later. That "mere whisp" of ice is still miles deep. ""Ice cores from Summit show that melting events of this type occur about once every 150 years on average. With the last one happening in 1889, this event is right on time," says Lora Koenig, a Goddard glaciologist and a member of the research team analyzing the satellite data." Here's what it currently looks like at SUmmit Camp: http://www.summitcamp.org/status/webcam/ So did those Victorian SUVs cause the last one in 1889? , How about the one 150 years before that in the middle of the Little Ice Age, and all the previous ones? See rise is at most 3mm per year and probably a lot less. It's no faster than it's been for the last few thousand years. I might start worrying when Al Gore stops buying new beachfromt properties. As for the heatwave/dought in Ohio etc - it's nothing compared to the '30s and weather on less than 1% of the earth's surface while large parts of the globe are experiencing below average temperature is not an indication of "global" warming. In fact the current estimates are that losses will be similar to the 1908 and 1988 droughts in the same regions resulting in . a possible3- 5% increase iin prices for some commodities Your Neils Bohr quote is very apposite - especially if you are relying on flawed computer models for your predictions. Nothing to see here .... move along. -- Stuart On 27 Jul 2012 at 11:17, Arthur Fuller wrote: > Given the high IQ base of members of this list, I would assume that > virtually everyone here accepts the ugly facts of global warming. But > the facts just grew even uglier. See > http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/greenland-melt.html for a > particularly grim portrait of the (formerly huge) Greenland glacier, > now a mere wisp of ice. > > I've read, here and there, of the consequences of a rise in the oceans > of a mere meter: sayonara, NYC (especially Manhattan), Florida, much > of Boston and Japan. Were I a land-owner in any of these > jurisdictions, I'd be thinking seriously of dumping my ownings asap. > Perhaps fortunately, I don't own land anywhere, so for me personally > this is not a problem; however, the ancillary effects will definitely > touch me, and millions of others located far from any ocean. > > Couple this with the drought levels in the corn-and-soybean states > (Ohio, Michigan, etc.) and we can anticipate a huge price increase in > beef, chicken and other meats. If I were wealthy enough to own a large > freezer, I would definitely think about buying as much of the > aforementioned as possible. Most (North American) livestock is fed > with the by-products of corn and soy, and this disastrous heat-wave > and drought are going to cause huge price increases. Not even the vegans among us are immune to this, IMO. > > -- > Arthur > Cell: 647.710.1314 > > Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. > -- Niels Bohr > But sometimes it's easier than others. > -- Arthur Fuller > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Sat Jul 28 16:36:14 2012 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2012 07:36:14 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: Global Warming In-Reply-To: <000001cd6cdd$b4536970$1cfa3c50$@comcast.net> References: , <501302D4.173.3B3C238@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>, <000001cd6cdd$b4536970$1cfa3c50$@comcast.net> Message-ID: <50145B4E.21377.8F55C12@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Where do I start? On 28 Jul 2012 at 11:26, Dan Waters wrote: > Sorry Stuart - I have a high IQ and know the difference between a periodic > event like the short term melting of ice across Greenland, and the > continuous increase in earth's average temperature caused by an increase in > CO2 due to human activities. Global warming due to our activities is very > real. AFAIK there is NO proof that recent increases in temperature were cause by "an increase in CO2 due to human activities". Please cite your references. There has been no increase in "earth's average temperature for the last 15 years. > > I remember my father, a professor of fisheries and wildlife at the U of > Minnesota, telling our family 40 years ago about global warming. He and his > colleagues had begun to observe unexpected changes in the trends of their > data, or unexpected variation. At the time, they knew what the cause was > but no one then was collecting data to prove it. Today, we have an > overwhelming amount of data. 40 years ago the most respected climatologists where warning of a coming ice age because temperatures had been declining for 20 years. Look at the trend from 1945 to 1975 here: http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/hadcrut4gl/from:1850 > > Rapid global warming has happened in earth's history before. Last year > National Geographic published an article about an event that happened about > 150M years ago where the sea levels rose over 200 feet. The geologists who > wrote the story were able to determine that it was caused by a release of > CO2 into the atmosphere equal to the amount CO2 being released by all the > fossil fuel that we know exists. We have currently burned about 10% of all > the fossil fuel we know about. It took about 150,000 years for the excess > CO2 to be absorbed back into the earth and out of the atmosphere. The story > is titled 'World Without Ice'. You must be talking about the Paleocene-Eocene Thermal Maximum - that was 50, not 150 million years ago. During that event, temperatures rose by about 1 degree C every 3000 years over a 20,000 year period. i.e. much less than the recent rate during the recovery from the the Little Ice Age over the last 150 years. There is also a reason why the climate at the end of that epsiode is generally known as the "Early Eocene Climatic Optimum" - you might like to consider the meaning of that last word. . > > I don't think that geologists who publish well-researched articles in > National Geographic would be called 'alarmist'. > A matter of opinion. NG is well known for publishing alarmist GW articles, going right back to it's puffery about An Inconvenient Truth > It's also important to remember that global warming is global, not local. > All meteorologists today will say that local weather will change, but they > don't know how. The key measure for global warming is earth average > temperature. Compared to what we've been able to determine back hundreds of > thousands of years, earth's average temperature today is absolutely > skyrocketing. > Over the last several hundred thousand years, the earth has gone through a servies of roughly 100 year long ice ages interspersed by shorter interglacials. We are living towards the end of the most recent interglacial - the Holocene. Temperatures now are on below the average for the Holocene and there have been many occassions in the past when the 1.5 degree rise over the last 150 years has been dwarfed - see for instance the rate of change during the Younger Dryas 15000 years ago. > So Stuart - stand by. > I'm standing by - with warm clothes nearby waiting for the coming temperature decline :-) -- Stuart From john at winhaven.net Sat Jul 28 16:56:02 2012 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2012 16:56:02 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: Global Warming - MODERATOR WARNING Message-ID: <002901cd6d0b$c7f480d0$57dd8270$@winhaven.net> We have OT list for these types of discussions. Please move it there or desist with it.