Dan Waters
df.waters at comcast.net
Sat Jul 28 11:26:12 CDT 2012
Sorry Stuart - I have a high IQ and know the difference between a periodic event like the short term melting of ice across Greenland, and the continuous increase in earth's average temperature caused by an increase in CO2 due to human activities. Global warming due to our activities is very real. I remember my father, a professor of fisheries and wildlife at the U of Minnesota, telling our family 40 years ago about global warming. He and his colleagues had begun to observe unexpected changes in the trends of their data, or unexpected variation. At the time, they knew what the cause was but no one then was collecting data to prove it. Today, we have an overwhelming amount of data. Rapid global warming has happened in earth's history before. Last year National Geographic published an article about an event that happened about 150M years ago where the sea levels rose over 200 feet. The geologists who wrote the story were able to determine that it was caused by a release of CO2 into the atmosphere equal to the amount CO2 being released by all the fossil fuel that we know exists. We have currently burned about 10% of all the fossil fuel we know about. It took about 150,000 years for the excess CO2 to be absorbed back into the earth and out of the atmosphere. The story is titled 'World Without Ice'. I don't think that geologists who publish well-researched articles in National Geographic would be called 'alarmist'. It's also important to remember that global warming is global, not local. All meteorologists today will say that local weather will change, but they don't know how. The key measure for global warming is earth average temperature. Compared to what we've been able to determine back hundreds of thousands of years, earth's average temperature today is absolutely skyrocketing. So Stuart - stand by. Dan -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Friday, July 27, 2012 4:06 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] OT: Global Warming Here we go again. More alarmist claptrap. I expect those with a high IQ to spot the errors in that one easily enough. Hot winds over a few days caused another periodic *surface melt* for a couple of days. Which refroze a couple of days later. That "mere whisp" of ice is still miles deep. ""Ice cores from Summit show that melting events of this type occur about once every 150 years on average. With the last one happening in 1889, this event is right on time," says Lora Koenig, a Goddard glaciologist and a member of the research team analyzing the satellite data." Here's what it currently looks like at SUmmit Camp: http://www.summitcamp.org/status/webcam/ So did those Victorian SUVs cause the last one in 1889? , How about the one 150 years before that in the middle of the Little Ice Age, and all the previous ones? See rise is at most 3mm per year and probably a lot less. It's no faster than it's been for the last few thousand years. I might start worrying when Al Gore stops buying new beachfromt properties. As for the heatwave/dought in Ohio etc - it's nothing compared to the '30s and weather on less than 1% of the earth's surface while large parts of the globe are experiencing below average temperature is not an indication of "global" warming. In fact the current estimates are that losses will be similar to the 1908 and 1988 droughts in the same regions resulting in . a possible3- 5% increase iin prices for some commodities Your Neils Bohr quote is very apposite - especially if you are relying on flawed computer models for your predictions. Nothing to see here .... move along. -- Stuart On 27 Jul 2012 at 11:17, Arthur Fuller wrote: > Given the high IQ base of members of this list, I would assume that > virtually everyone here accepts the ugly facts of global warming. But > the facts just grew even uglier. See > http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/greenland-melt.html for a > particularly grim portrait of the (formerly huge) Greenland glacier, > now a mere wisp of ice. > > I've read, here and there, of the consequences of a rise in the oceans > of a mere meter: sayonara, NYC (especially Manhattan), Florida, much > of Boston and Japan. Were I a land-owner in any of these > jurisdictions, I'd be thinking seriously of dumping my ownings asap. > Perhaps fortunately, I don't own land anywhere, so for me personally > this is not a problem; however, the ancillary effects will definitely > touch me, and millions of others located far from any ocean. > > Couple this with the drought levels in the corn-and-soybean states > (Ohio, Michigan, etc.) and we can anticipate a huge price increase in > beef, chicken and other meats. If I were wealthy enough to own a large > freezer, I would definitely think about buying as much of the > aforementioned as possible. Most (North American) livestock is fed > with the by-products of corn and soy, and this disastrous heat-wave > and drought are going to cause huge price increases. Not even the vegans among us are immune to this, IMO. > > -- > Arthur > Cell: 647.710.1314 > > Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. > -- Niels Bohr > But sometimes it's easier than others. > -- Arthur Fuller > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com