From accessd at shaw.ca Thu May 10 11:28:49 2012 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 09:28:49 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 8 has its limitations In-Reply-To: <18C21674D67F4055B8D7CE910C87B952@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <39DC174D6C424309BAF3F0BBA8A2C7FA@creativesystemdesigns.com> <18C21674D67F4055B8D7CE910C87B952@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <7F25A8AFD6F74752BBBF261914C0915A@creativesystemdesigns.com> Windows 8 has decided to eliminate competition by ridding itself of some of its arch rivals. Microsoft appears to have become intolerant of the market forces which have been drubbing its browser, into the ground, due to IE's lack of compliance with Open Standards. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/05/10/mozilla_google_win8_arm_browser_dark _ages/ I am sure that MS has many "GOOD" reasons for this exclusion but if the company had attempted such a move in the late nineties, Microsoft would have now been comprised of a number of smaller and separate companies today. Unfortunately, this move may very well be, one more step towards putting itself on the wrong side of history and going in the wrong direction of market trends. Jim From john at winhaven.net Thu May 10 18:25:59 2012 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 18:25:59 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 8 has its limitations In-Reply-To: <7F25A8AFD6F74752BBBF261914C0915A@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <39DC174D6C424309BAF3F0BBA8A2C7FA@creativesystemdesigns.com> <18C21674D67F4055B8D7CE910C87B952@creativesystemdesigns.com> <7F25A8AFD6F74752BBBF261914C0915A@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <00ee01cd2f04$41bbbe10$c5333a30$@winhaven.net> Amazing how the leaders in the field, Apple, is given a free pass on this same issue. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2012 11:29 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 8 has its limitations Windows 8 has decided to eliminate competition by ridding itself of some of its arch rivals. Microsoft appears to have become intolerant of the market forces which have been drubbing its browser, into the ground, due to IE's lack of compliance with Open Standards. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/05/10/mozilla_google_win8_arm_browser_dark _ages/ I am sure that MS has many "GOOD" reasons for this exclusion but if the company had attempted such a move in the late nineties, Microsoft would have now been comprised of a number of smaller and separate companies today. Unfortunately, this move may very well be, one more step towards putting itself on the wrong side of history and going in the wrong direction of market trends. Jim _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From hans.andersen at phulse.com Thu May 10 18:49:01 2012 From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen) Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 16:49:01 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 8 has its limitations In-Reply-To: <00ee01cd2f04$41bbbe10$c5333a30$@winhaven.net> References: <39DC174D6C424309BAF3F0BBA8A2C7FA@creativesystemdesigns.com> <18C21674D67F4055B8D7CE910C87B952@creativesystemdesigns.com> <7F25A8AFD6F74752BBBF261914C0915A@creativesystemdesigns.com> <00ee01cd2f04$41bbbe10$c5333a30$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: <09F87257-48EB-4FFC-8102-634630D7E11D@phulse.com> They weren't. Hans On 2012-05-10, at 4:25 PM, John Bartow wrote: > Amazing how the leaders in the field, Apple, is given a free pass on this > same issue. > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence > Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2012 11:29 AM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 8 has its limitations > > Windows 8 has decided to eliminate competition by ridding itself of some of > its arch rivals. > > Microsoft appears to have become intolerant of the market forces which have > been drubbing its browser, into the ground, due to IE's lack of compliance > with Open Standards. > > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/05/10/mozilla_google_win8_arm_browser_dark > _ages/ > > I am sure that MS has many "GOOD" reasons for this exclusion but if the > company had attempted such a move in the late nineties, Microsoft would have > now been comprised of a number of smaller and separate companies today. > > Unfortunately, this move may very well be, one more step towards putting > itself on the wrong side of history and going in the wrong direction of > market trends. > > Jim > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From john at winhaven.net Thu May 10 19:02:01 2012 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 19:02:01 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 8 has its limitations In-Reply-To: <09F87257-48EB-4FFC-8102-634630D7E11D@phulse.com> References: <39DC174D6C424309BAF3F0BBA8A2C7FA@creativesystemdesigns.com> <18C21674D67F4055B8D7CE910C87B952@creativesystemdesigns.com> <7F25A8AFD6F74752BBBF261914C0915A@creativesystemdesigns.com> <00ee01cd2f04$41bbbe10$c5333a30$@winhaven.net> <09F87257-48EB-4FFC-8102-634630D7E11D@phulse.com> Message-ID: <00f701cd2f09$4ad533f0$e07f9bd0$@winhaven.net> How so? -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hans-Christian Andersen Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2012 6:49 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows 8 has its limitations They weren't. Hans On 2012-05-10, at 4:25 PM, John Bartow wrote: > Amazing how the leaders in the field, Apple, is given a free pass on > this same issue. > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim > Lawrence > Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2012 11:29 AM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 8 has its limitations > > Windows 8 has decided to eliminate competition by ridding itself of > some of its arch rivals. > > Microsoft appears to have become intolerant of the market forces which > have been drubbing its browser, into the ground, due to IE's lack of > compliance with Open Standards. > > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/05/10/mozilla_google_win8_arm_browse > r_dark > _ages/ > > I am sure that MS has many "GOOD" reasons for this exclusion but if > the company had attempted such a move in the late nineties, Microsoft > would have now been comprised of a number of smaller and separate companies today. > > Unfortunately, this move may very well be, one more step towards > putting itself on the wrong side of history and going in the wrong > direction of market trends. > > Jim > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From hans.andersen at phulse.com Fri May 11 00:43:58 2012 From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen) Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 22:43:58 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 8 has its limitations In-Reply-To: <00f701cd2f09$4ad533f0$e07f9bd0$@winhaven.net> References: <39DC174D6C424309BAF3F0BBA8A2C7FA@creativesystemdesigns.com> <18C21674D67F4055B8D7CE910C87B952@creativesystemdesigns.com> <7F25A8AFD6F74752BBBF261914C0915A@creativesystemdesigns.com> <00ee01cd2f04$41bbbe10$c5333a30$@winhaven.net> <09F87257-48EB-4FFC-8102-634630D7E11D@phulse.com> <00f701cd2f09$4ad533f0$e07f9bd0$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: They received quite a lot of flack over not allowing Flash or other browsers on the iOS platform and, more generally, over their App store policies and the rules you have to follow in order to get published on it. There has always been a lot of vocal criticism of this since Apple released the App store a number of years back - criticism that Apple acts like a dictator while gloating that neither Microsoft nor Google would do this sort of thing. Criticism has died down somewhat lately because Apple has loosened restrictions in some areas and stuck to their guns in others long enough that people have just come to accept it as Apple being a controlling, perfectionist company. Ultimately, the issue here isn't about Apple. It's about how Microsoft is behaving. Hans On 2012-05-10, at 5:02 PM, John Bartow wrote: > How so? > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hans-Christian > Andersen > Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2012 6:49 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows 8 has its limitations > > > They weren't. > > Hans > > > On 2012-05-10, at 4:25 PM, John Bartow wrote: > >> Amazing how the leaders in the field, Apple, is given a free pass on >> this same issue. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim >> Lawrence >> Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2012 11:29 AM >> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' >> Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 8 has its limitations >> >> Windows 8 has decided to eliminate competition by ridding itself of >> some of its arch rivals. >> >> Microsoft appears to have become intolerant of the market forces which >> have been drubbing its browser, into the ground, due to IE's lack of >> compliance with Open Standards. >> >> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/05/10/mozilla_google_win8_arm_browse >> r_dark >> _ages/ >> >> I am sure that MS has many "GOOD" reasons for this exclusion but if >> the company had attempted such a move in the late nineties, Microsoft >> would have now been comprised of a number of smaller and separate > companies today. >> >> Unfortunately, this move may very well be, one more step towards >> putting itself on the wrong side of history and going in the wrong >> direction of market trends. >> >> Jim >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Fri May 11 01:06:51 2012 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 23:06:51 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 8 has its limitations In-Reply-To: <00ee01cd2f04$41bbbe10$c5333a30$@winhaven.net> References: <39DC174D6C424309BAF3F0BBA8A2C7FA@creativesystemdesigns.com> <18C21674D67F4055B8D7CE910C87B952@creativesystemdesigns.com><7F25A8AFD6F74752BBBF261914C0915A@creativesystemdesigns.com> <00ee01cd2f04$41bbbe10$c5333a30$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: <4A877C9B6B874B8DAFC5E1F11D7CBB7C@creativesystemdesigns.com> They have? I have heard that Apple was blocking Firefox and Chrome? Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2012 4:26 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows 8 has its limitations Amazing how the leaders in the field, Apple, is given a free pass on this same issue. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2012 11:29 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 8 has its limitations Windows 8 has decided to eliminate competition by ridding itself of some of its arch rivals. Microsoft appears to have become intolerant of the market forces which have been drubbing its browser, into the ground, due to IE's lack of compliance with Open Standards. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/05/10/mozilla_google_win8_arm_browser_dark _ages/ I am sure that MS has many "GOOD" reasons for this exclusion but if the company had attempted such a move in the late nineties, Microsoft would have now been comprised of a number of smaller and separate companies today. Unfortunately, this move may very well be, one more step towards putting itself on the wrong side of history and going in the wrong direction of market trends. Jim _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sun May 13 16:04:21 2012 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sun, 13 May 2012 17:04:21 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Enterprise in 20 Years Message-ID: >From slashdot...An engineer has produced detailed specs of how to build an ion-drive version of The Enterprise within 20 years. I've read it all and studied some parts in detail, and deem it feasible. However, I lack the funds. http://www.buildtheenterprise.org/ -- Arthur Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. -- Niels Bohr From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Sun May 13 17:08:40 2012 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 08:08:40 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Enterprise in 20 Years In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4FB030E8.32758.14C8F6AA@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> We can do it if we divert all the money currently being wasted on researching/combatting "climate change" :-) -- Stuart On 13 May 2012 at 17:04, Arthur Fuller wrote: > From slashdot...An engineer has produced detailed specs of how to build an > ion-drive version of The Enterprise within 20 years. I've read it all and > studied some parts in detail, and deem it feasible. However, I lack the > funds. > > http://www.buildtheenterprise.org/ > > -- > Arthur > > Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. > -- Niels Bohr > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From hans.andersen at phulse.com Sun May 13 17:56:35 2012 From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen) Date: Sun, 13 May 2012 15:56:35 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Enterprise in 20 Years In-Reply-To: <4FB030E8.32758.14C8F6AA@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <4FB030E8.32758.14C8F6AA@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: How would building a single ship make better sense than figuring out how we can live more sustainably on the only habitable planet that we know of so far? Best regards, Hans-Christian Andersen On 13 May 2012, at 15:08, "Stuart McLachlan" wrote: > We can do it if we divert all the money currently being wasted on researching/combatting > "climate change" :-) > > -- > Stuart > > On 13 May 2012 at 17:04, Arthur Fuller wrote: > >> From slashdot...An engineer has produced detailed specs of how to build an >> ion-drive version of The Enterprise within 20 years. I've read it all and >> studied some parts in detail, and deem it feasible. However, I lack the >> funds. >> >> http://www.buildtheenterprise.org/ >> >> -- >> Arthur >> >> Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. >> -- Niels Bohr >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Sun May 13 18:01:32 2012 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 09:01:32 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Enterprise in 20 Years In-Reply-To: References: , <4FB030E8.32758.14C8F6AA@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>, Message-ID: <4FB03D4C.10826.14F95E91@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Please don't put words into my mouth. I didn't say anything about "living more sustainably" -- Stuart On 13 May 2012 at 15:56, Hans-Christian Andersen wrote: > How would building a single ship make better sense than figuring out how we can live more sustainably on the only habitable planet that we know of so far? > > Best regards, > Hans-Christian Andersen > > > On 13 May 2012, at 15:08, "Stuart McLachlan" wrote: > > > We can do it if we divert all the money currently being wasted on researching/combatting > > "climate change" :-) > > > > -- > > Stuart > > > > On 13 May 2012 at 17:04, Arthur Fuller wrote: > > > >> From slashdot...An engineer has produced detailed specs of how to build an > >> ion-drive version of The Enterprise within 20 years. I've read it all and > >> studied some parts in detail, and deem it feasible. However, I lack the > >> funds. > >> > >> http://www.buildtheenterprise.org/ > >> > >> -- > >> Arthur > >> > >> Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. > >> -- Niels Bohr > >> _______________________________________________ > >> dba-Tech mailing list > >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From hans.andersen at phulse.com Sun May 13 18:33:09 2012 From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen) Date: Sun, 13 May 2012 16:33:09 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Enterprise in 20 Years In-Reply-To: <4FB03D4C.10826.14F95E91@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: , <4FB030E8.32758.14C8F6AA@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>, <4FB03D4C.10826.14F95E91@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: Then what did you mean by " researching/combatting climate change " ? On 2012-05-13, at 4:01 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote: > Please don't put words into my mouth. I didn't say anything about "living more sustainably" > > -- > Stuart > > On 13 May 2012 at 15:56, Hans-Christian Andersen wrote: > >> How would building a single ship make better sense than figuring out how we can live more sustainably on the only habitable planet that we know of so far? >> >> Best regards, >> Hans-Christian Andersen >> >> >> On 13 May 2012, at 15:08, "Stuart McLachlan" wrote: >> >>> We can do it if we divert all the money currently being wasted on researching/combatting >>> "climate change" :-) >>> >>> -- >>> Stuart >>> >>> On 13 May 2012 at 17:04, Arthur Fuller wrote: >>> >>>> From slashdot...An engineer has produced detailed specs of how to build an >>>> ion-drive version of The Enterprise within 20 years. I've read it all and >>>> studied some parts in detail, and deem it feasible. However, I lack the >>>> funds. >>>> >>>> http://www.buildtheenterprise.org/ >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Arthur >>>> >>>> Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. >>>> -- Niels Bohr >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> dba-Tech mailing list >>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> dba-Tech mailing list >>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Sun May 13 19:23:04 2012 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 10:23:04 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Enterprise in 20 Years In-Reply-To: References: , <4FB03D4C.10826.14F95E91@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>, Message-ID: <4FB05068.6416.15440482@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Why do you conflate two totally different concepts? What have climate change and sustainability got to do with each other? On 13 May 2012 at 16:33, Hans-Christian Andersen wrote: > > Then what did you mean by " researching/combatting climate change " ? > > > > On 2012-05-13, at 4:01 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote: > > > Please don't put words into my mouth. I didn't say anything about "living more sustainably" > > > > -- > > Stuart > > > > On 13 May 2012 at 15:56, Hans-Christian Andersen wrote: > > > >> How would building a single ship make better sense than figuring out how we can live more sustainably on the only habitable planet that we know of so far? > >> > >> Best regards, > >> Hans-Christian Andersen > >> > >> > >> On 13 May 2012, at 15:08, "Stuart McLachlan" wrote: > >> > >>> We can do it if we divert all the money currently being wasted on researching/combatting > >>> "climate change" :-) > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Stuart > >>> > >>> On 13 May 2012 at 17:04, Arthur Fuller wrote: > >>> > >>>> From slashdot...An engineer has produced detailed specs of how to build an > >>>> ion-drive version of The Enterprise within 20 years. I've read it all and > >>>> studied some parts in detail, and deem it feasible. However, I lack the > >>>> funds. > >>>> > >>>> http://www.buildtheenterprise.org/ > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> Arthur > >>>> > >>>> Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. > >>>> -- Niels Bohr > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> dba-Tech mailing list > >>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > >>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > >>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> dba-Tech mailing list > >>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> dba-Tech mailing list > >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From hans.andersen at phulse.com Sun May 13 20:01:22 2012 From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen) Date: Sun, 13 May 2012 18:01:22 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Enterprise in 20 Years In-Reply-To: <4FB05068.6416.15440482@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: , <4FB03D4C.10826.14F95E91@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>, <4FB05068.6416.15440482@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <6B3DDD62-F032-4768-A044-080E96840602@phulse.com> To be quite frank, I'm not understanding what it is you are objecting to and why. They are no more different as concepts as a cure is to an illness. Please be more forthcoming. Hans On 2012-05-13, at 5:23 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote: > Why do you conflate two totally different concepts? > > What have climate change and sustainability got to do with each other? > > > On 13 May 2012 at 16:33, Hans-Christian Andersen wrote: > >> >> Then what did you mean by " researching/combatting climate change " ? >> >> >> >> On 2012-05-13, at 4:01 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote: >> >>> Please don't put words into my mouth. I didn't say anything about "living more sustainably" >>> >>> -- >>> Stuart >>> >>> On 13 May 2012 at 15:56, Hans-Christian Andersen wrote: >>> >>>> How would building a single ship make better sense than figuring out how we can live more sustainably on the only habitable planet that we know of so far? >>>> >>>> Best regards, >>>> Hans-Christian Andersen >>>> >>>> >>>> On 13 May 2012, at 15:08, "Stuart McLachlan" wrote: >>>> >>>>> We can do it if we divert all the money currently being wasted on researching/combatting >>>>> "climate change" :-) >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Stuart >>>>> >>>>> On 13 May 2012 at 17:04, Arthur Fuller wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> From slashdot...An engineer has produced detailed specs of how to build an >>>>>> ion-drive version of The Enterprise within 20 years. I've read it all and >>>>>> studied some parts in detail, and deem it feasible. However, I lack the >>>>>> funds. >>>>>> >>>>>> http://www.buildtheenterprise.org/ >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Arthur >>>>>> >>>>>> Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. >>>>>> -- Niels Bohr >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> dba-Tech mailing list >>>>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>>>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>>>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> dba-Tech mailing list >>>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> dba-Tech mailing list >>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> dba-Tech mailing list >>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Sun May 13 20:16:21 2012 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 11:16:21 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Enterprise in 20 Years In-Reply-To: <6B3DDD62-F032-4768-A044-080E96840602@phulse.com> References: , <4FB05068.6416.15440482@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>, <6B3DDD62-F032-4768-A044-080E96840602@phulse.com> Message-ID: <4FB05CE5.26784.1574CC73@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> They are no more similar as concepts as a bicycle is to a fish. Are you trying to say that "sustainability" is a cure for "climate change". If so, we obviously need to agree on what we mean by "sustainability" and "climate change" and in what way (if any) they are related. On 13 May 2012 at 18:01, Hans-Christian Andersen wrote: > > To be quite frank, I'm not understanding what it is you are objecting to and why. They are no more different as concepts as a cure is to an illness. Please be more forthcoming. > > Hans > > > > On 2012-05-13, at 5:23 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote: > > > Why do you conflate two totally different concepts? > > > > What have climate change and sustainability got to do with each other? > > > > > > On 13 May 2012 at 16:33, Hans-Christian Andersen wrote: > > > >> > >> Then what did you mean by " researching/combatting climate change " ? > >> > >> > >> > >> On 2012-05-13, at 4:01 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote: > >> > >>> Please don't put words into my mouth. I didn't say anything about "living more sustainably" > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Stuart > >>> > >>> On 13 May 2012 at 15:56, Hans-Christian Andersen wrote: > >>> > >>>> How would building a single ship make better sense than figuring out how we can live more sustainably on the only habitable planet that we know of so far? > >>>> > >>>> Best regards, > >>>> Hans-Christian Andersen > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On 13 May 2012, at 15:08, "Stuart McLachlan" wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> We can do it if we divert all the money currently being wasted on researching/combatting > >>>>> "climate change" :-) > >>>>> > >>>>> -- > >>>>> Stuart > >>>>> > >>>>> On 13 May 2012 at 17:04, Arthur Fuller wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> From slashdot...An engineer has produced detailed specs of how to build an > >>>>>> ion-drive version of The Enterprise within 20 years. I've read it all and > >>>>>> studied some parts in detail, and deem it feasible. However, I lack the > >>>>>> funds. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> http://www.buildtheenterprise.org/ > >>>>>> > >>>>>> -- > >>>>>> Arthur > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. > >>>>>> -- Niels Bohr > >>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>> dba-Tech mailing list > >>>>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > >>>>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > >>>>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>> dba-Tech mailing list > >>>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > >>>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > >>>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> dba-Tech mailing list > >>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > >>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > >>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> dba-Tech mailing list > >>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> dba-Tech mailing list > >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From hans.andersen at phulse.com Sun May 13 20:59:59 2012 From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen) Date: Sun, 13 May 2012 18:59:59 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Enterprise in 20 Years In-Reply-To: <4FB05CE5.26784.1574CC73@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: , <4FB05068.6416.15440482@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>, <6B3DDD62-F032-4768-A044-080E96840602@phulse.com> <4FB05CE5.26784.1574CC73@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: If this discussion is heading towards a debate on whether climate change is man-made or not, I am not interested in debating this. I found that this is a waste of time, because I am neither an expert nor do I want to pretend to be one. Hans On 2012-05-13, at 6:16 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote: > They are no more similar as concepts as a bicycle is to a fish. > > Are you trying to say that "sustainability" is a cure for "climate change". If so, we obviously > need to agree on what we mean by "sustainability" and "climate change" and in what way (if > any) they are related. > > > > On 13 May 2012 at 18:01, Hans-Christian Andersen wrote: > >> >> To be quite frank, I'm not understanding what it is you are objecting to and why. They are no more different as concepts as a cure is to an illness. Please be more forthcoming. >> >> Hans >> >> >> >> On 2012-05-13, at 5:23 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote: >> >>> Why do you conflate two totally different concepts? >>> >>> What have climate change and sustainability got to do with each other? >>> >>> >>> On 13 May 2012 at 16:33, Hans-Christian Andersen wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> Then what did you mean by " researching/combatting climate change " ? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 2012-05-13, at 4:01 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote: >>>> >>>>> Please don't put words into my mouth. I didn't say anything about "living more sustainably" >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Stuart >>>>> >>>>> On 13 May 2012 at 15:56, Hans-Christian Andersen wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> How would building a single ship make better sense than figuring out how we can live more sustainably on the only habitable planet that we know of so far? >>>>>> >>>>>> Best regards, >>>>>> Hans-Christian Andersen >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 13 May 2012, at 15:08, "Stuart McLachlan" wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> We can do it if we divert all the money currently being wasted on researching/combatting >>>>>>> "climate change" :-) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Stuart >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 13 May 2012 at 17:04, Arthur Fuller wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> From slashdot...An engineer has produced detailed specs of how to build an >>>>>>>> ion-drive version of The Enterprise within 20 years. I've read it all and >>>>>>>> studied some parts in detail, and deem it feasible. However, I lack the >>>>>>>> funds. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> http://www.buildtheenterprise.org/ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Arthur >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. >>>>>>>> -- Niels Bohr >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> dba-Tech mailing list >>>>>>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>>>>>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>>>>>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> dba-Tech mailing list >>>>>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>>>>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>>>>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> dba-Tech mailing list >>>>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>>>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>>>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> dba-Tech mailing list >>>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> dba-Tech mailing list >>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> dba-Tech mailing list >>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From michael at mattysconsulting.com Sun May 13 22:05:38 2012 From: michael at mattysconsulting.com (Michael Mattys) Date: Sun, 13 May 2012 23:05:38 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Enterprise in 20 Years In-Reply-To: References: , <4FB05068.6416.15440482@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>, <6B3DDD62-F032-4768-A044-080E96840602@phulse.com> <4FB05CE5.26784.1574CC73@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <001e01cd317e$718bcc80$54a36580$@mattysconsulting.com> Interesting. Stuart's comment was about where the needed funds could (not should) come from in order to build the Enterprise. Hans sensed a deeper sentiment in Stuart's statement containing the word 'wasted.' Perhaps Stuart means to say that the two endeavors are equally futile or have equal potential. Perhaps not. Hans apparently regards expenditure on space exploration as less fruitful than 'researching/combatting climate change.' Controlling climate may prove to increase sustainability for constantly growing humanity. Then again, it might unleash terrible consequences such as disease. Michael R Mattys Mattys Consulting, LLC www.mattysconsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hans-Christian Andersen Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2012 10:00 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Enterprise in 20 Years If this discussion is heading towards a debate on whether climate change is man-made or not, I am not interested in debating this. I found that this is a waste of time, because I am neither an expert nor do I want to pretend to be one. Hans On 2012-05-13, at 6:16 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote: > They are no more similar as concepts as a bicycle is to a fish. > > Are you trying to say that "sustainability" is a cure for "climate > change". If so, we obviously need to agree on what we mean by > "sustainability" and "climate change" and in what way (if > any) they are related. > > > > On 13 May 2012 at 18:01, Hans-Christian Andersen wrote: > >> >> To be quite frank, I'm not understanding what it is you are objecting to and why. They are no more different as concepts as a cure is to an illness. Please be more forthcoming. >> >> Hans >> >> >> >> On 2012-05-13, at 5:23 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote: >> >>> Why do you conflate two totally different concepts? >>> >>> What have climate change and sustainability got to do with each other? >>> >>> >>> On 13 May 2012 at 16:33, Hans-Christian Andersen wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> Then what did you mean by " researching/combatting climate change " ? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 2012-05-13, at 4:01 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote: >>>> >>>>> Please don't put words into my mouth. I didn't say anything about "living more sustainably" >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Stuart >>>>> >>>>> On 13 May 2012 at 15:56, Hans-Christian Andersen wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> How would building a single ship make better sense than figuring out how we can live more sustainably on the only habitable planet that we know of so far? >>>>>> >>>>>> Best regards, >>>>>> Hans-Christian Andersen >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 13 May 2012, at 15:08, "Stuart McLachlan" wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> We can do it if we divert all the money currently being wasted >>>>>>> on researching/combatting "climate change" :-) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Stuart >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 13 May 2012 at 17:04, Arthur Fuller wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> From slashdot...An engineer has produced detailed specs of how >>>>>>>> to build an ion-drive version of The Enterprise within 20 >>>>>>>> years. I've read it all and studied some parts in detail, and >>>>>>>> deem it feasible. However, I lack the funds. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> http://www.buildtheenterprise.org/ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Arthur >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. >>>>>>>> -- Niels Bohr >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> dba-Tech mailing list >>>>>>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>>>>>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>>>>>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> dba-Tech mailing list >>>>>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>>>>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>>>>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> dba-Tech mailing list >>>>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>>>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>>>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> dba-Tech mailing list >>>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> dba-Tech mailing list >>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> dba-Tech mailing list >>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From hans.andersen at phulse.com Sun May 13 23:36:24 2012 From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen) Date: Sun, 13 May 2012 21:36:24 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Enterprise in 20 Years In-Reply-To: <001e01cd317e$718bcc80$54a36580$@mattysconsulting.com> References: <4FB05068.6416.15440482@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <6B3DDD62-F032-4768-A044-080E96840602@phulse.com> <4FB05CE5.26784.1574CC73@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <001e01cd317e$718bcc80$54a36580$@mattysconsulting.com> Message-ID: <7B60DCFA-54FB-49C1-AEEC-601B7F35B876@phulse.com> I do not think space exploration less fruitful than researching/combatting climate change, nor do I think the opposite is true either. I think both are important and choosing one at the complete expense of another is perhaps not the wisest thing to do. My original comment was more of a question rather than a statement of fact. My intention was to point out that there are some inherent complex problems with this distribution of resources. If we stop out efforts to limit the impact that we humans have on our climate and environment, one must then consider what benefit it will be for us to have that enterprise ship in 20 years rather than perhaps 100 years. The ship will only be able to hold a limited amount of people. The universe is a large, hostile place and even our nearest solar systems are extremely far away, with challenges we haven't yet faced (or know how to survive) and we do not even know where to go yet. As far as we know, the earth is the only habitable place, so it seems strange to me to think that any effort to keep this planet habitable for future generations as a waste. In my opinion, both are important, but we should judge their importance through different scales of time and we are just not technologically prepared for distant space travel, even if we somehow manage to build the vehicle. - Hans On 2012-05-13, at 8:05 PM, "Michael Mattys" wrote: > Interesting. > > Stuart's comment was about where the needed funds could (not should) come > from in order to build the Enterprise. > Hans sensed a deeper sentiment in Stuart's statement containing the word > 'wasted.' > > Perhaps Stuart means to say that the two endeavors are equally futile or > have equal potential. Perhaps not. > Hans apparently regards expenditure on space exploration as less fruitful > than 'researching/combatting climate change.' > Controlling climate may prove to increase sustainability for constantly > growing humanity. > Then again, it might unleash terrible consequences such as disease. > > Michael R Mattys > Mattys Consulting, LLC > www.mattysconsulting.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hans-Christian > Andersen > Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2012 10:00 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Enterprise in 20 Years > > > If this discussion is heading towards a debate on whether climate change is > man-made or not, I am not interested in debating this. I found that this is > a waste of time, because I am neither an expert nor do I want to pretend to > be one. > > Hans > > > > On 2012-05-13, at 6:16 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote: > >> They are no more similar as concepts as a bicycle is to a fish. >> >> Are you trying to say that "sustainability" is a cure for "climate >> change". If so, we obviously need to agree on what we mean by >> "sustainability" and "climate change" and in what way (if >> any) they are related. >> >> >> >> On 13 May 2012 at 18:01, Hans-Christian Andersen wrote: >> >>> >>> To be quite frank, I'm not understanding what it is you are objecting to > and why. They are no more different as concepts as a cure is to an illness. > Please be more forthcoming. >>> >>> Hans >>> >>> >>> >>> On 2012-05-13, at 5:23 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote: >>> >>>> Why do you conflate two totally different concepts? >>>> >>>> What have climate change and sustainability got to do with each other? >>>> >>>> >>>> On 13 May 2012 at 16:33, Hans-Christian Andersen wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Then what did you mean by " researching/combatting climate change " ? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 2012-05-13, at 4:01 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Please don't put words into my mouth. I didn't say anything about > "living more sustainably" >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Stuart >>>>>> >>>>>> On 13 May 2012 at 15:56, Hans-Christian Andersen wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> How would building a single ship make better sense than figuring out > how we can live more sustainably on the only habitable planet that we know > of so far? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Best regards, >>>>>>> Hans-Christian Andersen >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 13 May 2012, at 15:08, "Stuart McLachlan" > wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> We can do it if we divert all the money currently being wasted >>>>>>>> on researching/combatting "climate change" :-) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Stuart >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 13 May 2012 at 17:04, Arthur Fuller wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> From slashdot...An engineer has produced detailed specs of how >>>>>>>>> to build an ion-drive version of The Enterprise within 20 >>>>>>>>> years. I've read it all and studied some parts in detail, and >>>>>>>>> deem it feasible. However, I lack the funds. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> http://www.buildtheenterprise.org/ >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> Arthur >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. >>>>>>>>> -- Niels Bohr >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> dba-Tech mailing list >>>>>>>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>>>>>>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>>>>>>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> dba-Tech mailing list >>>>>>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>>>>>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>>>>>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> dba-Tech mailing list >>>>>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>>>>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>>>>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> dba-Tech mailing list >>>>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>>>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>>>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> dba-Tech mailing list >>>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> dba-Tech mailing list >>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> dba-Tech mailing list >>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Sun May 13 23:43:42 2012 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Sun, 13 May 2012 21:43:42 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Enterprise in 20 Years In-Reply-To: References: , <4FB05068.6416.15440482@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>, <6B3DDD62-F032-4768-A044-080E96840602@phulse.com><4FB05CE5.26784.1574CC73@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <06156895DC0748DC80FCF9F90E94200E@HAL9007> Stuart is. Join us on OT. (running and ducking) R -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hans-Christian Andersen Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2012 7:00 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Enterprise in 20 Years If this discussion is heading towards a debate on whether climate change is man-made or not, I am not interested in debating this. I found that this is a waste of time, because I am neither an expert nor do I want to pretend to be one. Hans On 2012-05-13, at 6:16 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote: > They are no more similar as concepts as a bicycle is to a fish. > > Are you trying to say that "sustainability" is a cure for "climate > change". If so, we obviously need to agree on what we mean by > "sustainability" and "climate change" and in what way (if > any) they are related. > > > > On 13 May 2012 at 18:01, Hans-Christian Andersen wrote: > >> >> To be quite frank, I'm not understanding what it is you are objecting to and why. They are no more different as concepts as a cure is to an illness. Please be more forthcoming. >> >> Hans >> >> >> >> On 2012-05-13, at 5:23 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote: >> >>> Why do you conflate two totally different concepts? >>> >>> What have climate change and sustainability got to do with each other? >>> >>> >>> On 13 May 2012 at 16:33, Hans-Christian Andersen wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> Then what did you mean by " researching/combatting climate change " ? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 2012-05-13, at 4:01 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote: >>>> >>>>> Please don't put words into my mouth. I didn't say anything about "living more sustainably" >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Stuart >>>>> >>>>> On 13 May 2012 at 15:56, Hans-Christian Andersen wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> How would building a single ship make better sense than figuring out how we can live more sustainably on the only habitable planet that we know of so far? >>>>>> >>>>>> Best regards, >>>>>> Hans-Christian Andersen >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 13 May 2012, at 15:08, "Stuart McLachlan" wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> We can do it if we divert all the money currently being wasted >>>>>>> on researching/combatting "climate change" :-) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Stuart >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 13 May 2012 at 17:04, Arthur Fuller wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> From slashdot...An engineer has produced detailed specs of how >>>>>>>> to build an ion-drive version of The Enterprise within 20 >>>>>>>> years. I've read it all and studied some parts in detail, and >>>>>>>> deem it feasible. However, I lack the funds. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> http://www.buildtheenterprise.org/ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Arthur >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. >>>>>>>> -- Niels Bohr >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> dba-Tech mailing list >>>>>>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>>>>>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>>>>>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> dba-Tech mailing list >>>>>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>>>>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>>>>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> dba-Tech mailing list >>>>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>>>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>>>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> dba-Tech mailing list >>>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> dba-Tech mailing list >>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> dba-Tech mailing list >>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Sun May 13 23:47:16 2012 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Sun, 13 May 2012 21:47:16 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Enterprise in 20 Years In-Reply-To: <001e01cd317e$718bcc80$54a36580$@mattysconsulting.com> References: , <4FB05068.6416.15440482@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>, <6B3DDD62-F032-4768-A044-080E96840602@phulse.com> <4FB05CE5.26784.1574CC73@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <001e01cd317e$718bcc80$54a36580$@mattysconsulting.com> Message-ID: Stuart has made it clear to us on OT that he thinks man-made global warming is a total fraud foisted on a gullible public and a complete waste of time and money. Join us on OT for more thrilling entertainment on this and many other unmentionable subjects. R -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Michael Mattys Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2012 8:06 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Enterprise in 20 Years Interesting. Stuart's comment was about where the needed funds could (not should) come from in order to build the Enterprise. Hans sensed a deeper sentiment in Stuart's statement containing the word 'wasted.' Perhaps Stuart means to say that the two endeavors are equally futile or have equal potential. Perhaps not. Hans apparently regards expenditure on space exploration as less fruitful than 'researching/combatting climate change.' Controlling climate may prove to increase sustainability for constantly growing humanity. Then again, it might unleash terrible consequences such as disease. Michael R Mattys Mattys Consulting, LLC www.mattysconsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hans-Christian Andersen Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2012 10:00 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Enterprise in 20 Years If this discussion is heading towards a debate on whether climate change is man-made or not, I am not interested in debating this. I found that this is a waste of time, because I am neither an expert nor do I want to pretend to be one. Hans On 2012-05-13, at 6:16 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote: > They are no more similar as concepts as a bicycle is to a fish. > > Are you trying to say that "sustainability" is a cure for "climate > change". If so, we obviously need to agree on what we mean by > "sustainability" and "climate change" and in what way (if > any) they are related. > > > > On 13 May 2012 at 18:01, Hans-Christian Andersen wrote: > >> >> To be quite frank, I'm not understanding what it is you are objecting >> to and why. They are no more different as concepts as a cure is to an illness. Please be more forthcoming. >> >> Hans >> >> >> >> On 2012-05-13, at 5:23 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote: >> >>> Why do you conflate two totally different concepts? >>> >>> What have climate change and sustainability got to do with each other? >>> >>> >>> On 13 May 2012 at 16:33, Hans-Christian Andersen wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> Then what did you mean by " researching/combatting climate change " ? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 2012-05-13, at 4:01 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote: >>>> >>>>> Please don't put words into my mouth. I didn't say anything about "living more sustainably" >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Stuart >>>>> >>>>> On 13 May 2012 at 15:56, Hans-Christian Andersen wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> How would building a single ship make better sense than figuring >>>>>> out how we can live more sustainably on the only habitable planet that we know of so far? >>>>>> >>>>>> Best regards, >>>>>> Hans-Christian Andersen >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 13 May 2012, at 15:08, "Stuart McLachlan" >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> We can do it if we divert all the money currently being wasted >>>>>>> on researching/combatting "climate change" :-) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Stuart >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 13 May 2012 at 17:04, Arthur Fuller wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> From slashdot...An engineer has produced detailed specs of how >>>>>>>> to build an ion-drive version of The Enterprise within 20 >>>>>>>> years. I've read it all and studied some parts in detail, and >>>>>>>> deem it feasible. However, I lack the funds. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> http://www.buildtheenterprise.org/ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Arthur >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. >>>>>>>> -- Niels Bohr >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> dba-Tech mailing list >>>>>>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>>>>>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>>>>>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> dba-Tech mailing list >>>>>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>>>>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>>>>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> dba-Tech mailing list >>>>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>>>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>>>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> dba-Tech mailing list >>>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> dba-Tech mailing list >>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> dba-Tech mailing list >>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jerbach at gmail.com Mon May 14 08:31:11 2012 From: jerbach at gmail.com (Janet Erbach) Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 08:31:11 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Enterprise in 20 Years In-Reply-To: References: <4FB05068.6416.15440482@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <6B3DDD62-F032-4768-A044-080E96840602@phulse.com> <4FB05CE5.26784.1574CC73@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <001e01cd317e$718bcc80$54a36580$@mattysconsulting.com> Message-ID: Back to the original subject...I'll make a donation to the project, Arthur!! And I'll help you set up an email fundraiser and I'll design awesome promotional posters and...can I have a ride when it's ready? On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 11:47 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > Stuart has made it clear to us on OT that he thinks man-made global warming > is a total fraud foisted on a gullible public and a complete waste of time > and money. > > Join us on OT for more thrilling entertainment on this and many other > unmentionable subjects. > > > R > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Michael Mattys > Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2012 8:06 PM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Enterprise in 20 Years > > Interesting. > > Stuart's comment was about where the needed funds could (not should) come > from in order to build the Enterprise. > Hans sensed a deeper sentiment in Stuart's statement containing the word > 'wasted.' > > Perhaps Stuart means to say that the two endeavors are equally futile or > have equal potential. Perhaps not. > Hans apparently regards expenditure on space exploration as less fruitful > than 'researching/combatting climate change.' > Controlling climate may prove to increase sustainability for constantly > growing humanity. > Then again, it might unleash terrible consequences such as disease. > > Michael R Mattys > Mattys Consulting, LLC > www.mattysconsulting.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hans-Christian > Andersen > Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2012 10:00 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Enterprise in 20 Years > > > If this discussion is heading towards a debate on whether climate change is > man-made or not, I am not interested in debating this. I found that this is > a waste of time, because I am neither an expert nor do I want to pretend to > be one. > > Hans > > > > On 2012-05-13, at 6:16 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote: > > > They are no more similar as concepts as a bicycle is to a fish. > > > > Are you trying to say that "sustainability" is a cure for "climate > > change". If so, we obviously need to agree on what we mean by > > "sustainability" and "climate change" and in what way (if > > any) they are related. > > > > > > > > On 13 May 2012 at 18:01, Hans-Christian Andersen wrote: > > > >> > >> To be quite frank, I'm not understanding what it is you are objecting > >> to > and why. They are no more different as concepts as a cure is to an illness. > Please be more forthcoming. > >> > >> Hans > >> > >> > >> > >> On 2012-05-13, at 5:23 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote: > >> > >>> Why do you conflate two totally different concepts? > >>> > >>> What have climate change and sustainability got to do with each other? > >>> > >>> > >>> On 13 May 2012 at 16:33, Hans-Christian Andersen wrote: > >>> > >>>> > >>>> Then what did you mean by " researching/combatting climate change " ? > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On 2012-05-13, at 4:01 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> Please don't put words into my mouth. I didn't say anything about > "living more sustainably" > >>>>> > >>>>> -- > >>>>> Stuart > >>>>> > >>>>> On 13 May 2012 at 15:56, Hans-Christian Andersen wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> How would building a single ship make better sense than figuring > >>>>>> out > how we can live more sustainably on the only habitable planet that we know > of so far? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Best regards, > >>>>>> Hans-Christian Andersen > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On 13 May 2012, at 15:08, "Stuart McLachlan" > >>>>>> > wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> We can do it if we divert all the money currently being wasted > >>>>>>> on researching/combatting "climate change" :-) > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>> Stuart > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> On 13 May 2012 at 17:04, Arthur Fuller wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> From slashdot...An engineer has produced detailed specs of how > >>>>>>>> to build an ion-drive version of The Enterprise within 20 > >>>>>>>> years. I've read it all and studied some parts in detail, and > >>>>>>>> deem it feasible. However, I lack the funds. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> http://www.buildtheenterprise.org/ > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>>> Arthur > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. > >>>>>>>> -- Niels Bohr > >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>>>> dba-Tech mailing list > >>>>>>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > >>>>>>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > >>>>>>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>>> dba-Tech mailing list > >>>>>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > >>>>>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > >>>>>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > >>>>>> > >>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>> dba-Tech mailing list > >>>>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > >>>>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > >>>>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>> dba-Tech mailing list > >>>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > >>>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > >>>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> dba-Tech mailing list > >>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > >>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > >>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> dba-Tech mailing list > >>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> dba-Tech mailing list > >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From ssharkins at gmail.com Mon May 14 08:48:54 2012 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 09:48:54 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Enterprise in 20 Years References: <4FB05068.6416.15440482@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg><6B3DDD62-F032-4768-A044-080E96840602@phulse.com><4FB05CE5.26784.1574CC73@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg><001e01cd317e$718bcc80$54a36580$@mattysconsulting.com> Message-ID: >> Stuart has made it clear to us on OT that he thinks man-made global >> warming >> is a total fraud foisted on a gullible public and a complete waste of >> time >> and money. >> ========That's not exactly Stuart's position, but Rocky's been to the "Jennings School of Emotional Journalism" so he's great at dropping leading adjectives into his speech. :) Susan H. From michael at mattysconsulting.com Mon May 14 08:53:00 2012 From: michael at mattysconsulting.com (Michael Mattys) Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 09:53:00 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Enterprise in 20 Years In-Reply-To: References: <4FB05068.6416.15440482@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg><6B3DDD62-F032-4768-A044-080E96840602@phulse.com><4FB05CE5.26784.1574CC73@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg><001e01cd317e$718bcc80$54a36580$@mattysconsulting.com> Message-ID: <001801cd31d8$e0b297b0$a217c710$@mattysconsulting.com> How does one get to this OT list? Michael R Mattys Mattys Consulting, LLC www.mattysconsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Monday, May 14, 2012 9:49 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Enterprise in 20 Years >> Stuart has made it clear to us on OT that he thinks man-made global >> warming is a total fraud foisted on a gullible public and a complete >> waste of time and money. >> ========That's not exactly Stuart's position, but Rocky's been to the "Jennings School of Emotional Journalism" so he's great at dropping leading adjectives into his speech. :) Susan H. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From ssharkins at gmail.com Mon May 14 09:08:01 2012 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 10:08:01 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Enterprise in 20 Years References: <4FB05068.6416.15440482@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg><6B3DDD62-F032-4768-A044-080E96840602@phulse.com><4FB05CE5.26784.1574CC73@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg><001e01cd317e$718bcc80$54a36580$@mattysconsulting.com> <001801cd31d8$e0b297b0$a217c710$@mattysconsulting.com> Message-ID: <108C54DFAA7B4015B0D8E36A401640A2@SusanHarkins> You'll need a broom or a chariot of fire... :) Just go to the AccessD web site's subscription page and sign up -- if you dare. Susan H. > How does one get to this OT list? > From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Mon May 14 09:12:29 2012 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 07:12:29 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Enterprise in 20 Years In-Reply-To: <001801cd31d8$e0b297b0$a217c710$@mattysconsulting.com> References: <4FB05068.6416.15440482@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg><6B3DDD62-F032-4768-A044-080E96840602@phulse.com><4FB05CE5.26784.1574CC73@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg><001e01cd317e$718bcc80$54a36580$@mattysconsulting.com> <001801cd31d8$e0b297b0$a217c710$@mattysconsulting.com> Message-ID: 2 sponsors, secret blackball, hazing during pledge week, and an endowment to our capital fund. (Or you can go to the DBA web page and sign up.) R -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Michael Mattys Sent: Monday, May 14, 2012 6:53 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Enterprise in 20 Years How does one get to this OT list? Michael R Mattys Mattys Consulting, LLC www.mattysconsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Monday, May 14, 2012 9:49 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Enterprise in 20 Years >> Stuart has made it clear to us on OT that he thinks man-made global >> warming is a total fraud foisted on a gullible public and a complete >> waste of time and money. >> ========That's not exactly Stuart's position, but Rocky's been to the "Jennings School of Emotional Journalism" so he's great at dropping leading adjectives into his speech. :) Susan H. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Mon May 14 15:59:18 2012 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 06:59:18 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Enterprise in 20 Years In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: <4FB17226.10554.40365D8@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Thank you Susan. You are, of course, quite correct. -- Stuart On 14 May 2012 at 9:48, Susan Harkins wrote: > >> Stuart has made it clear to us on OT that he thinks man-made global > >> warming > >> is a total fraud foisted on a gullible public and a complete waste of > >> time > >> and money. > >> > > ========That's not exactly Stuart's position, but Rocky's been to the > "Jennings School of Emotional Journalism" so he's great at dropping leading > adjectives into his speech. :) > > Susan H. > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Mon May 14 16:01:22 2012 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 07:01:22 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Enterprise in 20 Years In-Reply-To: <108C54DFAA7B4015B0D8E36A401640A2@SusanHarkins> References: , <108C54DFAA7B4015B0D8E36A401640A2@SusanHarkins> Message-ID: <4FB172A2.5587.4054934@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> But go and buy yourself a set of waders and a flak jacket first :-) -- Stuart On 14 May 2012 at 10:08, Susan Harkins wrote: > You'll need a broom or a chariot of fire... :) > > Just go to the AccessD web site's subscription page and sign up -- if you > dare. > > > > > Susan H. > > > > How does one get to this OT list? > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Mon May 14 21:19:32 2012 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 19:19:32 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Enterprise in 20 Years In-Reply-To: <4FB17226.10554.40365D8@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: , <4FB17226.10554.40365D8@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: Second that - provocative posting is my forte. :) R -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Monday, May 14, 2012 1:59 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Enterprise in 20 Years Thank you Susan. You are, of course, quite correct. -- Stuart On 14 May 2012 at 9:48, Susan Harkins wrote: > >> Stuart has made it clear to us on OT that he thinks man-made global > >> warming is a total fraud foisted on a gullible public and a > >> complete waste of time and money. > >> > > ========That's not exactly Stuart's position, but Rocky's been to the > "Jennings School of Emotional Journalism" so he's great at dropping > leading adjectives into his speech. :) > > Susan H. > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Wed May 16 18:33:50 2012 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 19:33:50 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] 2012 Mathematical Art Exhibition Message-ID: All the images can be viewed here, and if you click on one, you can email it to some nerd you love: http://www.ams.org/mathimagery/thumbnails.php?album=32 A. From accessd at shaw.ca Wed May 16 20:36:36 2012 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 18:36:36 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] 2012 Mathematical Art Exhibition In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <862185D20F4349AFB95EC29B301366A2@creativesystemdesigns.com> That is really cool. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2012 4:34 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] 2012 Mathematical Art Exhibition All the images can be viewed here, and if you click on one, you can email it to some nerd you love: http://www.ams.org/mathimagery/thumbnails.php?album=32 A. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Thu May 17 09:42:04 2012 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 10:42:04 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: Department of Stupid Criminals Message-ID: Some of this stuff you just can't make up. http://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2012/05/15/internet-cafe-robbery-facebook-first/?utm_source=Naked+Security+-+Sophos+List&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=515f29fc8a-naked%252Bsecurity -- Arthur From accessd at shaw.ca Thu May 17 11:14:38 2012 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 09:14:38 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: Department of Stupid Criminals In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Ha ha ha... It is becoming far more difficult to get away with anything. Any prank or stunt in public ends up on someone's cell phone or on a surveillance camera or any comments you have ever made or picture you posted are recorded somewhere or any cell phone calls you have made are all recorded with the location from which you made them. Everywhere you venture on the web is monitored and a complete profile is being generated. You are listed, documented, profiled, rated and now you are being cross-referenced with all data sources world-wide. It use to take an office of agents months, to just get a partial profile, on a person, now it takes a few minutes by anyone and the results are an in-depth compilation of a person's entire life including all their friends and relationships. Just remember, "If you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear." ;-) Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 7:42 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: Department of Stupid Criminals Some of this stuff you just can't make up. http://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2012/05/15/internet-cafe-robbery-facebook-fi rst/?utm_source=Naked+Security+-+Sophos+List&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=5 15f29fc8a-naked%252Bsecurity -- Arthur _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Fri May 18 07:15:35 2012 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 08:15:35 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Game advice Message-ID: My brother's birthday is coming up next week. He's the classic "man who has everything", including a bitchin' computer that I helped him select and which I seriously envy: 2 huge monitors, 8 gigs of RAM and a 2 gig video card that demanded a power supply upgrade. (He's heavy into graphics, hence the video card.) One thing he doesn't have is video games, other than the Tiger Woods golf game. So I thought I'd get him a game. I don't even have one game and know nothing at all about the field. Ideally, I'd want one that takes full advantage of that fancy video card, I've heard that Call of Duty is very popular now. Any thoughts or recommendations? TIA, -- Arthur From jon.tydda at lonza.com Fri May 18 07:22:34 2012 From: jon.tydda at lonza.com (Tydda Jon - Slough) Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 14:22:34 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Game advice In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Diablo 3 just came out yesterday, that's supposed to be pretty good, and very graphics heavy. The one I've been playing most recently is Space Marine, which has absolutely blown my mind with how smooth the graphics are, but how pretty they are too, especially considering the machine that I'm running it on. If he's not into blood & guts games, then I highly recommend Portal, or one of the sequels. They're all about using your brain to work out how to escape from a "research" facility. Good fun, and really make you think. Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: 18 May 2012 13:16 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Game advice My brother's birthday is coming up next week. He's the classic "man who has everything", including a bitchin' computer that I helped him select and which I seriously envy: 2 huge monitors, 8 gigs of RAM and a 2 gig video card that demanded a power supply upgrade. (He's heavy into graphics, hence the video card.) One thing he doesn't have is video games, other than the Tiger Woods golf game. So I thought I'd get him a game. I don't even have one game and know nothing at all about the field. Ideally, I'd want one that takes full advantage of that fancy video card, I've heard that Call of Duty is very popular now. Any thoughts or recommendations? TIA, -- Arthur _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com This communication and its attachments, if any, may contain confidential and privileged information the use of which by other persons or entities than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you receive this transmission in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete the material from your system. From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Fri May 18 08:54:46 2012 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 06:54:46 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Game advice In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <38DC28EE64F94ABD8D3837FFDC2B065D@HAL9007> I'll ask my 15 y.o. R -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Friday, May 18, 2012 5:16 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Game advice My brother's birthday is coming up next week. He's the classic "man who has everything", including a bitchin' computer that I helped him select and which I seriously envy: 2 huge monitors, 8 gigs of RAM and a 2 gig video card that demanded a power supply upgrade. (He's heavy into graphics, hence the video card.) One thing he doesn't have is video games, other than the Tiger Woods golf game. So I thought I'd get him a game. I don't even have one game and know nothing at all about the field. Ideally, I'd want one that takes full advantage of that fancy video card, I've heard that Call of Duty is very popular now. Any thoughts or recommendations? TIA, -- Arthur _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Fri May 18 09:06:01 2012 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 07:06:01 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Game advice In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <59B6B86B8DA74B13BBF9B3CF4248E2D8@creativesystemdesigns.com> I will second that...my daughter has reserved that game for about months. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tydda Jon - Slough Sent: Friday, May 18, 2012 5:23 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Game advice Diablo 3 just came out yesterday, that's supposed to be pretty good, and very graphics heavy. The one I've been playing most recently is Space Marine, which has absolutely blown my mind with how smooth the graphics are, but how pretty they are too, especially considering the machine that I'm running it on. If he's not into blood & guts games, then I highly recommend Portal, or one of the sequels. They're all about using your brain to work out how to escape from a "research" facility. Good fun, and really make you think. Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: 18 May 2012 13:16 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Game advice My brother's birthday is coming up next week. He's the classic "man who has everything", including a bitchin' computer that I helped him select and which I seriously envy: 2 huge monitors, 8 gigs of RAM and a 2 gig video card that demanded a power supply upgrade. (He's heavy into graphics, hence the video card.) One thing he doesn't have is video games, other than the Tiger Woods golf game. So I thought I'd get him a game. I don't even have one game and know nothing at all about the field. Ideally, I'd want one that takes full advantage of that fancy video card, I've heard that Call of Duty is very popular now. Any thoughts or recommendations? TIA, -- Arthur _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com This communication and its attachments, if any, may contain confidential and privileged information the use of which by other persons or entities than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you receive this transmission in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete the material from your system. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jon at tydda.plus.com Fri May 18 12:21:57 2012 From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda) Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 18:21:57 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Game advice In-Reply-To: <59B6B86B8DA74B13BBF9B3CF4248E2D8@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <59B6B86B8DA74B13BBF9B3CF4248E2D8@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <007901cd351a$bab79e30$3026da90$@tydda.plus.com> The only reason I haven't got it yet is because I lost 2 years of my life to Diablo 2. 3 is bigger, better, flashier, and MMO... I don't know that anyone would ever see me again! Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: 18 May 2012 15:06 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Game advice I will second that...my daughter has reserved that game for about months. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tydda Jon - Slough Sent: Friday, May 18, 2012 5:23 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Game advice Diablo 3 just came out yesterday, that's supposed to be pretty good, and very graphics heavy. The one I've been playing most recently is Space Marine, which has absolutely blown my mind with how smooth the graphics are, but how pretty they are too, especially considering the machine that I'm running it on. If he's not into blood & guts games, then I highly recommend Portal, or one of the sequels. They're all about using your brain to work out how to escape from a "research" facility. Good fun, and really make you think. Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: 18 May 2012 13:16 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Game advice My brother's birthday is coming up next week. He's the classic "man who has everything", including a bitchin' computer that I helped him select and which I seriously envy: 2 huge monitors, 8 gigs of RAM and a 2 gig video card that demanded a power supply upgrade. (He's heavy into graphics, hence the video card.) One thing he doesn't have is video games, other than the Tiger Woods golf game. So I thought I'd get him a game. I don't even have one game and know nothing at all about the field. Ideally, I'd want one that takes full advantage of that fancy video card, I've heard that Call of Duty is very popular now. Any thoughts or recommendations? TIA, -- Arthur _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com This communication and its attachments, if any, may contain confidential and privileged information the use of which by other persons or entities than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you receive this transmission in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete the material from your system. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Fri May 18 14:03:03 2012 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 15:03:03 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Game advice In-Reply-To: <007901cd351a$bab79e30$3026da90$@tydda.plus.com> References: <59B6B86B8DA74B13BBF9B3CF4248E2D8@creativesystemdesigns.com> <007901cd351a$bab79e30$3026da90$@tydda.plus.com> Message-ID: Ok, Diablo it is. Just what he needs! (He's Set Key on two TV series shot in Toronto, Rookie Blue and Raising Hope. They're shot by the same company and shot in the same studio, and they've both been repurchased for another season, so he's working 50 weeks a year. But I'm sure he'll find the time to shoot a few avatars. Go, bro, go! A. On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 1:21 PM, Jon Tydda wrote: > The only reason I haven't got it yet is because I lost 2 years of my life > to > Diablo 2. 3 is bigger, better, flashier, and MMO... I don't know that > anyone > would ever see me again! > > > From fuller.artful at gmail.com Fri May 18 14:13:23 2012 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 15:13:23 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Game advice In-Reply-To: References: <59B6B86B8DA74B13BBF9B3CF4248E2D8@creativesystemdesigns.com> <007901cd351a$bab79e30$3026da90$@tydda.plus.com> Message-ID: You know what I was thinking would be a terrific game, is Machete! I loved that movie! Apparently there are two more in the pipeline. I wonder if anyone's working on it. If not, there should be. Another idea: disgruntled disappointed screenwriters shoot producers in a luxuriant Burbank hotel. Which waiters are real and which are assassins? Which starlets are working for the KGB, or even worse, Bollywood? The hapless producer, just trying to make a living screwing everybody, no longer knows whom to trust? Even your co-producer looks suspect. LOL. Where's an AK47 when you need one? A. On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 3:03 PM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > Ok, Diablo it is. Just what he needs! (He's Set Key on two TV series shot > in Toronto, Rookie Blue and Raising Hope. They're shot by the same company > and shot in the same studio, and they've both been repurchased for another > season, so he's working 50 weeks a year. But I'm sure he'll find the time > to shoot a few avatars. Go, bro, go! > A. > > > > From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Fri May 18 16:48:57 2012 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Sat, 19 May 2012 07:48:57 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Game advice In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4FB6C3C9.1178.DF3B968@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Danger, Will Robinson!!! 3 possible outcomes. 1. He's not into games and will never play it - waste of time giving it to him. 2. He tries it and likes it - spends a bit of his spare time playing it. 3. You hook him on video games - he wastes enormous amounts of time on them in the future and ends up hating you. :-). I speak as a recovered addict who spent countless hours on Trade Wars, D&D, then Duke Nuke, Wolfenstein etc. I got mildly hooked for a short time on Facebook Mafia Wars but am currently clean. :) -- Stuart On 18 May 2012 at 8:15, Arthur Fuller wrote: > My brother's birthday is coming up next week. He's the classic "man who has > everything", including a bitchin' computer that I helped him select and > which I seriously envy: 2 huge monitors, 8 gigs of RAM and a 2 gig video > card that demanded a power supply upgrade. (He's heavy into graphics, hence > the video card.) > > One thing he doesn't have is video games, other than the Tiger Woods golf > game. So I thought I'd get him a game. I don't even have one game and know > nothing at all about the field. Ideally, I'd want one that takes full > advantage of that fancy video card, I've heard that Call of Duty is very > popular now. Any thoughts or recommendations? > > TIA, > -- > Arthur > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Stuart McLachlan Ph: +675 340 4392 Mob: +675 7100 2028 Web: http://www.lexacorp.com.pg From hans.andersen at phulse.com Fri May 18 17:00:31 2012 From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen) Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 15:00:31 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Game advice In-Reply-To: References: <59B6B86B8DA74B13BBF9B3CF4248E2D8@creativesystemdesigns.com> <007901cd351a$bab79e30$3026da90$@tydda.plus.com> Message-ID: If your brother is into the Lord of the Rings sort of fantasy genre, I would recommend Skyrim. I've also heard great things about The Witcher 2, which seems to be similar, but with a lot of political complexity in the story like that of Game of Thrones. If he doesn't mind a little bit of criminal fun, there is always Rockstars "Grand Theft Auto 4". It's a shame they didnt release "Red Dead Redemption" on the PC (yet?) because that was a beautiful game for those who love westerns. But Rockstar did release "LA Noire" for anyone who fancied being a gumshoe in a 1947 setting in Los Angeles. If he fancies slaying zombies, I would highly recommend "Left 4 Dead 2". You can even team up with 3 other random players on the Internet to complete the missions. I love this game. Speaking of which, you might want to install Steam and set him up with an account. You can purchase all sorts of critically acclaimed games, such as Call of Duty and some that I mentioned above, online and it downloads rather than having to go to a store to buy it - plus it has really good sales all the time. If he is into sci-fi, I would recommend the Mass Effect series. They are three games in total and you would have to start with the first to understand the whole story, but it comes highly recommended for brilliance. If he likes puzzles and a bit of a Psychological thriller (with a twisted sense of humour), I would highly recommend Portal 2. There is more that could be added to the list, but I think I have suggested quite a few AAA titles, but is very popular to the general audience, so I'm sure he will have a blast with one of the above games. Feel free to check reviews for these games to get a sense of what they are like before dropping money on it. I generally search YouTube for the games title and IGN (ie. "Skyrim IGN review"). IGN does good reviews and it's nice to see actual game footage rather than screenshots. Let us know what you pick! - Hans Sent from my iPhone On 2012-05-18, at 12:13 PM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > You know what I was thinking would be a terrific game, is Machete! I loved > that movie! Apparently there are two more in the pipeline. I wonder if > anyone's working on it. If not, there should be. > > Another idea: disgruntled disappointed screenwriters shoot producers in a > luxuriant Burbank hotel. Which waiters are real and which are assassins? > Which starlets are working for the KGB, or even worse, Bollywood? The > hapless producer, just trying to make a living screwing everybody, no > longer knows whom to trust? Even your co-producer looks suspect. LOL. > Where's an AK47 when you need one? > > A. > > On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 3:03 PM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > >> Ok, Diablo it is. Just what he needs! (He's Set Key on two TV series shot >> in Toronto, Rookie Blue and Raising Hope. They're shot by the same company >> and shot in the same studio, and they've both been repurchased for another >> season, so he's working 50 weeks a year. But I'm sure he'll find the time >> to shoot a few avatars. Go, bro, go! > > > >> A. >> >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Fri May 18 17:43:28 2012 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 18:43:28 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Game advice In-Reply-To: References: <59B6B86B8DA74B13BBF9B3CF4248E2D8@creativesystemdesigns.com> <007901cd351a$bab79e30$3026da90$@tydda.plus.com> Message-ID: Thanks for the rich input, everyone. I guess I'll have to find a few teens and interrogate them, perhaps masked as some fearsome alien or warlock or car thief. Actually, Grand Theft might do it, or LA Noire (due to his commitment to the film biz). I think I personally might prefer Game of Thrones, but the gift is for him not me. I'll check out the local store and see what I can see. Thanks, all! A. gamenoramus On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 6:00 PM, Hans-Christian Andersen < hans.andersen at phulse.com> wrote: > If your brother is into the Lord of the Rings sort of fantasy genre, I > would recommend Skyrim. I've also heard great things about The Witcher 2, > which seems to be similar, but with a lot of political complexity in the > story like that of Game of Thrones. > > If he doesn't mind a little bit of criminal fun, there is always Rockstars > "Grand Theft Auto 4". It's a shame they didnt release "Red Dead Redemption" > on the PC (yet?) because that was a beautiful game for those who love > westerns. But Rockstar did release "LA Noire" for anyone who fancied being > a gumshoe in a 1947 setting in Los Angeles. > > If he fancies slaying zombies, I would highly recommend "Left 4 Dead 2". > You can even team up with 3 other random players on the Internet to > complete the missions. I love this game. Speaking of which, you might want > to install Steam and set him up with an account. You can purchase all sorts > of critically acclaimed games, such as Call of Duty and some that I > mentioned above, online and it downloads rather than having to go to a > store to buy it - plus it has really good sales all the time. > > If he is into sci-fi, I would recommend the Mass Effect series. They are > three games in total and you would have to start with the first to > understand the whole story, but it comes highly recommended for brilliance. > > If he likes puzzles and a bit of a > Psychological thriller (with a twisted sense of humour), I would highly > recommend Portal 2. > > There is more that could be added to the list, but I think I have > suggested quite a few AAA titles, but is very popular to the general > audience, so I'm sure he will have a blast with one of the above games. > > Feel free to check reviews for these games to get a sense of what they are > like before dropping money on it. I generally search YouTube for the games > title and IGN (ie. "Skyrim IGN review"). IGN does good reviews and it's > nice to see actual game footage rather than screenshots. > > Let us know what you pick! > > > - Hans > > From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Fri May 18 19:18:38 2012 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 17:18:38 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] FW: [dba-OT] FW: FW: Game advice Message-ID: <34357DED88A24299AD5A56E42A58D20E@HAL9007> >From my teener: Votes for Diablo II and Star Wars The Old Republic. r _____ From: Noah Sutton-Smolin [mailto:heedleblambeedle at gmail.com] Sent: Friday, May 18, 2012 12:54 PM To: Rocky Smolin Subject: Re: FW: [dba-Tech] Game advice Diablo III and SWTOR are the only ones that come to mind off the top of my head. On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 6:55 AM, Rocky Smolin wrote: Top 3 games that fit the bill here? -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Friday, May 18, 2012 5:16 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Game advice My brother's birthday is coming up next week. He's the classic "man who has everything", including a bitchin' computer that I helped him select and which I seriously envy: 2 huge monitors, 8 gigs of RAM and a 2 gig video card that demanded a power supply upgrade. (He's heavy into graphics, hence the video card.) One thing he doesn't have is video games, other than the Tiger Woods golf game. So I thought I'd get him a game. I don't even have one game and know nothing at all about the field. Ideally, I'd want one that takes full advantage of that fancy video card, I've heard that Call of Duty is very popular now. Any thoughts or recommendations? TIA, -- Arthur _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-OT mailing list dba-OT at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-ot Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From john at winhaven.net Sat May 19 13:29:06 2012 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Sat, 19 May 2012 13:29:06 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Game advice In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <015201cd35ed$462da450$d288ecf0$@winhaven.net> Hi Arthur, If you live near each other and actually want to spend time together I would suggest a board game. Yes, they still make them and some very good ones. I am partial to WWII games such as those sold at www.multimanpublishing.com but there are also other genres. If you don't live near each other and actually want to spend time together I would suggest a game that has some social interaction or cooperative venture aspect to it, such as World of Warcraft (WoW). While I don't play "computer" games, I have a friend who plays WoW just to do something with his brother who lives in another state. John B -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Friday, May 18, 2012 7:16 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Game advice My brother's birthday is coming up next week. He's the classic "man who has everything", including a bitchin' computer that I helped him select and which I seriously envy: 2 huge monitors, 8 gigs of RAM and a 2 gig video card that demanded a power supply upgrade. (He's heavy into graphics, hence the video card.) One thing he doesn't have is video games, other than the Tiger Woods golf game. So I thought I'd get him a game. I don't even have one game and know nothing at all about the field. Ideally, I'd want one that takes full advantage of that fancy video card, I've heard that Call of Duty is very popular now. Any thoughts or recommendations? TIA, -- Arthur _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From hans.andersen at phulse.com Sat May 19 15:02:02 2012 From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen) Date: Sat, 19 May 2012 13:02:02 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Game advice In-Reply-To: <015201cd35ed$462da450$d288ecf0$@winhaven.net> References: <015201cd35ed$462da450$d288ecf0$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: <9A02A912-B383-4CE8-8DE4-B3FD93D55A66@phulse.com> I highly recommend the Forbidden Island board game. When ever we've played with friends, it's always been a riot and its a cooperative game, rather than competitive, but still quite challenging and doesn't take a very long time like risk and other board games to get through a single game. There's also a tablet version, if you have one. Hans On 2012-05-19, at 11:29 AM, John Bartow wrote: > Hi Arthur, > If you live near each other and actually want to spend time together I would > suggest a board game. Yes, they still make them and some very good ones. I > am partial to WWII games such as those sold at www.multimanpublishing.com > but there are also other genres. > > If you don't live near each other and actually want to spend time together I > would suggest a game that has some social interaction or cooperative venture > aspect to it, such as World of Warcraft (WoW). While I don't play "computer" > games, I have a friend who plays WoW just to do something with his brother > who lives in another state. > John B > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller > Sent: Friday, May 18, 2012 7:16 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: [dba-Tech] Game advice > > My brother's birthday is coming up next week. He's the classic "man who has > everything", including a bitchin' computer that I helped him select and > which I seriously envy: 2 huge monitors, 8 gigs of RAM and a 2 gig video > card that demanded a power supply upgrade. (He's heavy into graphics, hence > the video card.) > > One thing he doesn't have is video games, other than the Tiger Woods golf > game. So I thought I'd get him a game. I don't even have one game and know > nothing at all about the field. Ideally, I'd want one that takes full > advantage of that fancy video card, I've heard that Call of Duty is very > popular now. Any thoughts or recommendations? > > TIA, > -- > Arthur > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sat May 19 15:05:10 2012 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sat, 19 May 2012 16:05:10 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Game advice In-Reply-To: <015201cd35ed$462da450$d288ecf0$@winhaven.net> References: <015201cd35ed$462da450$d288ecf0$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: Clearly you're an old fart, John, as am I. My fave games remain chess, backgammon and Go. But we're swimming against the tide here, and my bro doesn't enjoy any of these classic games, so I thought to introduce him to something new, and perhaps more to his liking. Now if he were a serious gamer, then chess, backgammon and Go would pretty much say it all, but there aren't enough explosions and bleeding aliens in those games LOL. Maybe that's what could re-awaken the youngsters into the beauty of chess: every time you take a piece, much graphic blood is spewed over the squares. Ya ya ya, when a knight slays an opponent, a head rolls in 3D, and blood (either Catholic or Protestant) covers several squares, and minions come out and clean up the mess, much like Wimbledon tennis boys and girls fetch the netted serves. Yes yes yes. Actually, no no no. Mama sent my game to Rehab, I said No No No! It's a long weekend here in Canada, so I'm taking the time to waste some time on mindless pursuits and conjectures. Arthur "If the Nuremberg laws were applied, then every post-war American president would have been hanged." -- Noam Chomsky From john at winhaven.net Sat May 19 15:06:48 2012 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Sat, 19 May 2012 15:06:48 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Game advice In-Reply-To: <9A02A912-B383-4CE8-8DE4-B3FD93D55A66@phulse.com> References: <015201cd35ed$462da450$d288ecf0$@winhaven.net> <9A02A912-B383-4CE8-8DE4-B3FD93D55A66@phulse.com> Message-ID: <016a01cd35fa$ec20c880$c4625980$@winhaven.net> Thanks, I'll look into that! -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hans-Christian Andersen Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2012 3:02 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Game advice I highly recommend the Forbidden Island board game. When ever we've played with friends, it's always been a riot and its a cooperative game, rather than competitive, but still quite challenging and doesn't take a very long time like risk and other board games to get through a single game. There's also a tablet version, if you have one. Hans On 2012-05-19, at 11:29 AM, John Bartow wrote: > Hi Arthur, > If you live near each other and actually want to spend time together I > would suggest a board game. Yes, they still make them and some very > good ones. I am partial to WWII games such as those sold at > www.multimanpublishing.com but there are also other genres. > > If you don't live near each other and actually want to spend time > together I would suggest a game that has some social interaction or > cooperative venture aspect to it, such as World of Warcraft (WoW). While I don't play "computer" > games, I have a friend who plays WoW just to do something with his > brother who lives in another state. > John B > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur > Fuller > Sent: Friday, May 18, 2012 7:16 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: [dba-Tech] Game advice > > My brother's birthday is coming up next week. He's the classic "man > who has everything", including a bitchin' computer that I helped him > select and which I seriously envy: 2 huge monitors, 8 gigs of RAM and > a 2 gig video card that demanded a power supply upgrade. (He's heavy > into graphics, hence the video card.) > > One thing he doesn't have is video games, other than the Tiger Woods > golf game. So I thought I'd get him a game. I don't even have one game > and know nothing at all about the field. Ideally, I'd want one that > takes full advantage of that fancy video card, I've heard that Call > of Duty is very popular now. Any thoughts or recommendations? > > TIA, > -- > Arthur > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From john at winhaven.net Sat May 19 15:10:41 2012 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Sat, 19 May 2012 15:10:41 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Game advice In-Reply-To: References: <015201cd35ed$462da450$d288ecf0$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: <016c01cd35fb$770da9e0$6528fda0$@winhaven.net> Lol - no, not an old fart yet, just someone who has tried the computer games and found them lacking in social interaction. Eventually I may delve into online social games as my friend did but for now I like to socialize with people and sometimes you need something to do rather than just jabber-jawing :-) Board games make you think but also allow for socializing. Something like card games but not as repetitive. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2012 3:05 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Game advice Clearly you're an old fart, John, as am I. My fave games remain chess, backgammon and Go. But we're swimming against the tide here, and my bro doesn't enjoy any of these classic games, so I thought to introduce him to something new, and perhaps more to his liking. Now if he were a serious gamer, then chess, backgammon and Go would pretty much say it all, but there aren't enough explosions and bleeding aliens in those games LOL. Maybe that's what could re-awaken the youngsters into the beauty of chess: every time you take a piece, much graphic blood is spewed over the squares. Ya ya ya, when a knight slays an opponent, a head rolls in 3D, and blood (either Catholic or Protestant) covers several squares, and minions come out and clean up the mess, much like Wimbledon tennis boys and girls fetch the netted serves. Yes yes yes. Actually, no no no. Mama sent my game to Rehab, I said No No No! It's a long weekend here in Canada, so I'm taking the time to waste some time on mindless pursuits and conjectures. Arthur "If the Nuremberg laws were applied, then every post-war American president would have been hanged." -- Noam Chomsky _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sat May 19 15:12:24 2012 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sat, 19 May 2012 16:12:24 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Game advice In-Reply-To: <9A02A912-B383-4CE8-8DE4-B3FD93D55A66@phulse.com> References: <015201cd35ed$462da450$d288ecf0$@winhaven.net> <9A02A912-B383-4CE8-8DE4-B3FD93D55A66@phulse.com> Message-ID: Speaking of cooperative games, about a decade ago I had an idea for one, but never did anything with it. The concept is this: you and your web-team are firemen, and there's a building on fire. You have to rescue the people and the pets in the building. You have to split up and try to get everyone out. Floors collapse, firemen are pinned beneath collapsing structures, and now you have to get them out too. There is no opponent other than the fire and the laws of nature and engineering. You win if everyone is safe at the end of the day. I can see a competitive level to such a game, too. Two teams, two buildings, a dozen or so potential victims in each. Which team rescues everyone from its building in the quickest time? The point is, Collaboration: it's not Me vs. You, it's US vs. the fire and the collapsing building. It's about teamwork. A. From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sat May 19 15:13:48 2012 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sat, 19 May 2012 16:13:48 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Game advice In-Reply-To: <016c01cd35fb$770da9e0$6528fda0$@winhaven.net> References: <015201cd35ed$462da450$d288ecf0$@winhaven.net> <016c01cd35fb$770da9e0$6528fda0$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: People! Wot a concept! Good on you, John! LOL. On Sat, May 19, 2012 at 4:10 PM, John Bartow wrote: > Lol - no, not an old fart yet, just someone who has tried the computer > games > and found them lacking in social interaction. Eventually I may delve into > online social games as my friend did but for now I like to socialize with > people and sometimes you need something to do rather than just > jabber-jawing > :-) Board games make you think but also allow for socializing. Something > like card games but not as repetitive. > > From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Sat May 19 15:42:50 2012 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Sun, 20 May 2012 06:42:50 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Game advice In-Reply-To: References: , <015201cd35ed$462da450$d288ecf0$@winhaven.net>, Message-ID: <4FB805CA.13933.12DD8E5C@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> What? Didn't you ever play Battle Chess? :I first played it on the Commodore Amiga. Apparently there is a new version in the pipeline. http://www.interplay.com/games/battlechess.php On 19 May 2012 at 16:05, Arthur Fuller wrote: > > Maybe that's what could re-awaken the youngsters into the beauty of chess: > every time you take a piece, much graphic blood is spewed over the squares. > Ya ya ya, when a knight slays an opponent, a head rolls in 3D, and blood > (either Catholic or Protestant) covers several squares, and minions come > out and clean up the mess, much like Wimbledon tennis boys and girls fetch > the netted serves. Yes yes yes. Actually, no no no. Mama sent my game to > Rehab, I said No No No! > > It's a long weekend here in Canada, so I'm taking the time to waste some > time on mindless pursuits and conjectures. > > Arthur > > "If the Nuremberg laws were applied, then every post-war American president > would have been hanged." > > -- Noam Chomsky > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Stuart McLachlan Ph: +675 340 4392 Mob: +675 7100 2028 Web: http://www.lexacorp.com.pg From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Sat May 19 15:46:11 2012 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Sun, 20 May 2012 06:46:11 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Game advice In-Reply-To: References: , <9A02A912-B383-4CE8-8DE4-B3FD93D55A66@phulse.com>, Message-ID: <4FB80693.3573.12E0A0E3@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> A quick search turns up three: http://www.gamespot.com/firefighter-command-raging-inferno/ http://www.amazon.com/Real-Heroes-Firefighter-Nintendo-Wii/dp/B0027WNRFE http://www.gamestop.com/ps2/games/firefighter-fd18/33268 On 19 May 2012 at 16:12, Arthur Fuller wrote: > Speaking of cooperative games, about a decade ago I had an idea for one, > but never did anything with it. The concept is this: you and your web-team > are firemen, and there's a building on fire. You have to rescue the people > and the pets in the building. You have to split up and try to get everyone > out. Floors collapse, firemen are pinned beneath collapsing structures, and > now you have to get them out too. There is no opponent other than the fire > and the laws of nature and engineering. You win if everyone is safe at the > end of the day. > > I can see a competitive level to such a game, too. Two teams, two > buildings, a dozen or so potential victims in each. Which team rescues > everyone from its building in the quickest time? > > The point is, Collaboration: it's not Me vs. You, it's US vs. the fire and > the collapsing building. It's about teamwork. > > A. > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Stuart McLachlan Ph: +675 340 4392 Mob: +675 7100 2028 Web: http://www.lexacorp.com.pg From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Mon May 21 08:22:37 2012 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 06:22:37 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] A DVR that skips over the ads Message-ID: <5B6ABCD4EA284CD1B1B206A87C58C666@HAL9007> Dish Network announced their new DVR with 'Auto Hop' - a DVR that skips the commercials. NO more fast forward. It also can record all the prime-time programming on ABC, CBS, Fox and NBC simultaneously. I thought about this years ago - was there some way to tell from the TV signal when they were playing a commercial and mute the sound or, in the case of a recording, skip over the ads. Any idea how this works? How does it know when the ads are on? http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/17/business/media/dish-networks-hopper-cuts-a ds-and-causes-tremors-at-tv-upfronts.html?pagewanted=1 &_r=1 Rocky From jon.tydda at lonza.com Mon May 21 08:31:27 2012 From: jon.tydda at lonza.com (Tydda Jon - Slough) Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 15:31:27 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] A DVR that skips over the ads In-Reply-To: <5B6ABCD4EA284CD1B1B206A87C58C666@HAL9007> References: <5B6ABCD4EA284CD1B1B206A87C58C666@HAL9007> Message-ID: IIRC there was a VCR that came out with this feature (in the UK at least), and it never made it to market, because all the commercial TV stations went a bit nuts about lost revenue. Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: 21 May 2012 14:23 To: 'Off Topic'; List Subject: [dba-Tech] A DVR that skips over the ads Dish Network announced their new DVR with 'Auto Hop' - a DVR that skips the commercials. NO more fast forward. It also can record all the prime-time programming on ABC, CBS, Fox and NBC simultaneously. I thought about this years ago - was there some way to tell from the TV signal when they were playing a commercial and mute the sound or, in the case of a recording, skip over the ads. Any idea how this works? How does it know when the ads are on? http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/17/business/media/dish-networks-hopper-cuts-a ds-and-causes-tremors-at-tv-upfronts.html?pagewanted=1 &_r=1 Rocky _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com This communication and its attachments, if any, may contain confidential and privileged information the use of which by other persons or entities than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you receive this transmission in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete the material from your system. From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Mon May 21 08:49:03 2012 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 06:49:03 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] A DVR that skips over the ads In-Reply-To: References: <5B6ABCD4EA284CD1B1B206A87C58C666@HAL9007> Message-ID: <6BE84D3BF71E4420B96B98864C3673F6@HAL9007> Replay TV. Check the 'Legal Battle' section: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ReplayTV R -----Original Message----- From: dba-ot-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-ot-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tydda Jon - Slough Sent: Monday, May 21, 2012 6:31 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues; 'Off Topic' Subject: Re: [dba-OT] [dba-Tech] A DVR that skips over the ads IIRC there was a VCR that came out with this feature (in the UK at least), and it never made it to market, because all the commercial TV stations went a bit nuts about lost revenue. Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: 21 May 2012 14:23 To: 'Off Topic'; List Subject: [dba-Tech] A DVR that skips over the ads Dish Network announced their new DVR with 'Auto Hop' - a DVR that skips the commercials. NO more fast forward. It also can record all the prime-time programming on ABC, CBS, Fox and NBC simultaneously. I thought about this years ago - was there some way to tell from the TV signal when they were playing a commercial and mute the sound or, in the case of a recording, skip over the ads. Any idea how this works? How does it know when the ads are on? http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/17/business/media/dish-networks-hopper-cuts-a ds-and-causes-tremors-at-tv-upfronts.html?pagewanted=1 &_r=1 Rocky _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com This communication and its attachments, if any, may contain confidential and privileged information the use of which by other persons or entities than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you receive this transmission in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete the material from your system. _______________________________________________ dba-OT mailing list dba-OT at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-ot Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Mon May 21 13:20:37 2012 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 11:20:37 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] A DVR that skips over the ads In-Reply-To: <5B6ABCD4EA284CD1B1B206A87C58C666@HAL9007> References: <5B6ABCD4EA284CD1B1B206A87C58C666@HAL9007> Message-ID: A friend says he has created a chip that can detect streaming data compression. It appears that all ads, in order to produce a higher sound volume or/and displaying more information into a shorter time span, must apply data compression. That streaming spike can be detected and filtered regardless of the codex being used. This method is not perfect but close to it. I am sure it is illegal in one way or another but he is now testing his experiment on his own TV feed with good results. This could also be applied to an internet feed as well. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Monday, May 21, 2012 6:23 AM To: 'Off Topic'; List Subject: [dba-Tech] A DVR that skips over the ads Dish Network announced their new DVR with 'Auto Hop' - a DVR that skips the commercials. NO more fast forward. It also can record all the prime-time programming on ABC, CBS, Fox and NBC simultaneously. I thought about this years ago - was there some way to tell from the TV signal when they were playing a commercial and mute the sound or, in the case of a recording, skip over the ads. Any idea how this works? How does it know when the ads are on? http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/17/business/media/dish-networks-hopper-cuts-a ds-and-causes-tremors-at-tv-upfronts.html?pagewanted=1 &_r=1 Rocky _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From marklbreen at gmail.com Tue May 22 03:10:12 2012 From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen) Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 09:10:12 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] A DVR that skips over the ads In-Reply-To: <5B6ABCD4EA284CD1B1B206A87C58C666@HAL9007> References: <5B6ABCD4EA284CD1B1B206A87C58C666@HAL9007> Message-ID: Hi Rocky, We hardly watch live TV any more. Since I started using my laptop with a HDMI connection connected to the TV's HDMI, we mostly download material using bittorrent, and watch whole box sets. It is amazing, on Sunday evening my son wanted to watch a movie, I kicked off a download and less than 45 mins later, it was fully downloaded and he watched it. We have watched a bunch of Danish crime thrillers with english subtitles that are taking the world by storm. Really good stuff. It is so weird now when we watch something live, the ads are quite a surprise :) It takes a bit of getting used to, but worth the experiment. Mark On 21 May 2012 14:22, Rocky Smolin wrote: > Dish Network announced their new DVR with 'Auto Hop' - a DVR that skips the > commercials. NO more fast forward. > > It also can record all the prime-time programming on ABC, CBS, Fox and NBC > simultaneously. > > I thought about this years ago - was there some way to tell from the TV > signal when they were playing a commercial and mute the sound or, in the > case of a recording, skip over the ads. > > Any idea how this works? How does it know when the ads are on? > > > http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/17/business/media/dish-networks-hopper-cuts-a > ds-and-causes-tremors-at-tv-upfronts.html?pagewanted=1 > < > http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/17/business/media/dish-networks-hopper-cuts- > ads-and-causes-tremors-at-tv-upfronts.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1> &_r=1 > > Rocky > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From accessd at shaw.ca Tue May 22 10:49:17 2012 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 08:49:17 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] GitHub is not just for Linux anymore In-Reply-To: <4FB805CA.13933.12DD8E5C@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: , <015201cd35ed$462da450$d288ecf0$@winhaven.net>, <4FB805CA.13933.12DD8E5C@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <63C10A6AC46143A8AD450BFE9C33CF68@creativesystemdesigns.com> Introducing GitHub For Windows. http://haacked.com/archive/2012/05/21/introducing-github-for-windows.aspx Jim From accessd at shaw.ca Tue May 22 19:44:16 2012 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 17:44:16 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Never use MD5 encryption In-Reply-To: <4FB805CA.13933.12DD8E5C@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: , <015201cd35ed$462da450$d288ecf0$@winhaven.net>, <4FB805CA.13933.12DD8E5C@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: If you still have databases out there that are using MD5 encryption, give your head a shake. It is so easy to crack it is nothing less than a joke. Some older versions of MySQL use to allow MD5 encrypted fields...worthless. How is it is to crack an MD5 encryption scheme? Try the following encrypted value: 569a70c2ccd0ac41c9d1637afe8cd932 and go to site: http://www.md5hacker.com/ The current encryption standards are: PBKDF2 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PBKDF2 Or a relatively old but good method: BCRYPT http://bcrypt.sourceforge.net/ Or the latest boy on the block: SCRYPT http://www.tarsnap.com/scrypt.html Jim From hans.andersen at phulse.com Tue May 22 22:59:51 2012 From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen) Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 20:59:51 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Never use MD5 encryption In-Reply-To: References: <015201cd35ed$462da450$d288ecf0$@winhaven.net> <4FB805CA.13933.12DD8E5C@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <66E2A0E7-F6FC-4E3F-A97B-8915618F1271@phulse.com> Ya, MD5 has been easy to crack for a little while and so is anything less than SHA-256. Ideally, if you are doing one way encryption of anything like passwords, you will want to make it as computationally complex as makes sense, because you want to make it as expensive for bad guys as possible to reverse it. For instance, don't just salt your passwords, but also perform whatever hashing function of your choosing many multiple times (some do it thousands of times). Not only does a baddie have to guess how many times you did it, but once they figure it out, they still have to waste valuable computational resources building a rainbow table and it's easy to make it so it is prohibitively expensive for them. There are also cryptographic weaknesses in MD5, but that aside, it is still a very useful algorithm if you want to generate a quick hash for any sort of reason. For instance, if you want to generate a unique key based on some series of data. Just don't use it in any context where it is sensitive. Best regards, Hans-Christian Andersen On 22 May 2012, at 17:44, "Jim Lawrence" wrote: > If you still have databases out there that are using MD5 encryption, give > your head a shake. It is so easy to crack it is nothing less than a joke. > Some older versions of MySQL use to allow MD5 encrypted fields...worthless. > > How is it is to crack an MD5 encryption scheme? Try the following encrypted > value: 569a70c2ccd0ac41c9d1637afe8cd932 and go to site: > http://www.md5hacker.com/ > > The current encryption standards are: PBKDF2 > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PBKDF2 > > Or a relatively old but good method: BCRYPT > http://bcrypt.sourceforge.net/ > > Or the latest boy on the block: SCRYPT > http://www.tarsnap.com/scrypt.html > > Jim > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Wed May 23 10:22:19 2012 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Wed, 23 May 2012 08:22:19 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Managing Android In-Reply-To: <66E2A0E7-F6FC-4E3F-A97B-8915618F1271@phulse.com> References: <015201cd35ed$462da450$d288ecf0$@winhaven.net><4FB805CA.13933.12DD8E5C@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <66E2A0E7-F6FC-4E3F-A97B-8915618F1271@phulse.com> Message-ID: <3EE57E3E39B74CB2AA1DCB103389F5AE@creativesystemdesigns.com> Reading this you might detect a slight prejudice towards Android Smartphones but for Smartphone users there is some very good information in the article. http://tinyurl.com/748w73p Jim From accessd at shaw.ca Wed May 23 17:17:25 2012 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Wed, 23 May 2012 15:17:25 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Internet Explorer In-Reply-To: <3EE57E3E39B74CB2AA1DCB103389F5AE@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <015201cd35ed$462da450$d288ecf0$@winhaven.net><4FB805CA.13933.12DD8E5C@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg><66E2A0E7-F6FC-4E3F-A97B-8915618F1271@phulse.com> <3EE57E3E39B74CB2AA1DCB103389F5AE@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <90239A158C0E4F4A995B62FCCE4BAD77@creativesystemdesigns.com> Those years of every tech, everywhere in the world, coming to a computer screen and saying, "OMG, please stand well back Madame/Sir from your computer; you are so lucky we got here on time." And then installing Chrome, Firefox, Safari or Opera, making it the default browser and finally removing all traces of IE, has finally produced the following results. http://tinyurl.com/7vxpqfe IE which at one time held almost 90 percent of the browser market, has slipped to 31.8 percent. You have to wonder, given these statistics, if IE was not installed on every copy of Windows, by default, being as it has been such a curse to every web developer, would it now be any more than a foot-note in the history of computing? Jim From john at winhaven.net Wed May 23 17:34:47 2012 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Wed, 23 May 2012 17:34:47 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Internet Explorer In-Reply-To: <90239A158C0E4F4A995B62FCCE4BAD77@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <015201cd35ed$462da450$d288ecf0$@winhaven.net><4FB805CA.13933.12DD8E5C@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg><66E2A0E7-F6FC-4E3F-A97B-8915618F1271@phulse.com> <3EE57E3E39B74CB2AA1DCB103389F5AE@creativesystemdesigns.com> <90239A158C0E4F4A995B62FCCE4BAD77@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <035201cd3934$421d1fe0$c6575fa0$@winhaven.net> You sure hate it, that's fairly evident ;-) I think that now the same thing is happening with Chrome being the default browser on a gazillion tablets and phones. It is what it is. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 5:17 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Internet Explorer Those years of every tech, everywhere in the world, coming to a computer screen and saying, "OMG, please stand well back Madame/Sir from your computer; you are so lucky we got here on time." And then installing Chrome, Firefox, Safari or Opera, making it the default browser and finally removing all traces of IE, has finally produced the following results. http://tinyurl.com/7vxpqfe IE which at one time held almost 90 percent of the browser market, has slipped to 31.8 percent. You have to wonder, given these statistics, if IE was not installed on every copy of Windows, by default, being as it has been such a curse to every web developer, would it now be any more than a foot-note in the history of computing? Jim _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Wed May 23 18:52:25 2012 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Wed, 23 May 2012 16:52:25 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Internet Explorer In-Reply-To: <035201cd3934$421d1fe0$c6575fa0$@winhaven.net> References: <015201cd35ed$462da450$d288ecf0$@winhaven.net><4FB805CA.13933.12DD8E5C@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg><66E2A0E7-F6FC-4E3F-A97B-8915618F1271@phulse.com> <3EE57E3E39B74CB2AA1DCB103389F5AE@creativesystemdesigns.com><90239A158C0E4F4A995B62FCCE4BAD77@creativesystemdesigns.com> <035201cd3934$421d1fe0$c6575fa0$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: My dislike does not extend to Microsoft. Over many years, trying to comply with IE's ever moving standard and the lack of standards itself has cost client's and myself many hours of wasted development time and money, in the web design business. If IE wishes to continue in the market place, it must comply with the W3C standards that they have signed off on. The issue that has bothered me the most is the absolute arrogance of the IE team, that they believe they should be able to direct the market, they do not need to work with any one, everyone must work for them and standards apply to others, no themselves. As soon as the product can demonstrate, modern features and a wiliness to match the industries open standards, I will discard my reserve and may even become a supporter again. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 3:35 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Internet Explorer You sure hate it, that's fairly evident ;-) I think that now the same thing is happening with Chrome being the default browser on a gazillion tablets and phones. It is what it is. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 5:17 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Internet Explorer Those years of every tech, everywhere in the world, coming to a computer screen and saying, "OMG, please stand well back Madame/Sir from your computer; you are so lucky we got here on time." And then installing Chrome, Firefox, Safari or Opera, making it the default browser and finally removing all traces of IE, has finally produced the following results. http://tinyurl.com/7vxpqfe IE which at one time held almost 90 percent of the browser market, has slipped to 31.8 percent. You have to wonder, given these statistics, if IE was not installed on every copy of Windows, by default, being as it has been such a curse to every web developer, would it now be any more than a foot-note in the history of computing? Jim _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From john at winhaven.net Wed May 23 22:59:58 2012 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Wed, 23 May 2012 22:59:58 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Odd Outlook 2010 importing behavior Message-ID: <03be01cd3961$afcc5fb0$0f651f10$@winhaven.net> Just a heads up for anyone who might try importing Outlook Express email into Outlook 2010. I just set up a bunch of new equipment on a new customer site. All seemed to go well. Until the next business day when I got a call that some of the email messages from the old PCs did not seem to make into the new ones. They had been using Outlook Express on XP and now have Office 2010 and are using Outlook 2010 on Win7. Sure enough the Outlook import wizard seemed to be working correctly but it only imported so many folders and messages and then just quit without any error message or warning. I didn't get it working because the immediate solution was at hand. One of the owners mentioned that all of his tasks and notes were missing too. I was a bit baffled by that until he told he had been using Outlook 2000 on the old PC for tasks and Notes. But he used Outlook Express for email! Ee-gads! What a way to work. Anyway they had Outlook 2000 on all of their old PCs so I imported the Outlook Express into it first and then copied the Outlook 2000's .pst file to the new PCs and imported it into Outlook 2010. All is well. And now they are using Outlook for everything . Anyway, beware Outlook 2010 does not import Outlook Express correctly. From accessd at shaw.ca Sun May 27 00:27:29 2012 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sat, 26 May 2012 22:27:29 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 8 promises... In-Reply-To: <035201cd3934$421d1fe0$c6575fa0$@winhaven.net> References: <015201cd35ed$462da450$d288ecf0$@winhaven.net><4FB805CA.13933.12DD8E5C@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg><66E2A0E7-F6FC-4E3F-A97B-8915618F1271@phulse.com> <3EE57E3E39B74CB2AA1DCB103389F5AE@creativesystemdesigns.com><90239A158C0E4F4A995B62FCCE4BAD77@creativesystemdesigns.com> <035201cd3934$421d1fe0$c6575fa0$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: <612A0E1DC8084FBF92CE98AD7B4D15B5@creativesystemdesigns.com> Following Apples lead, Microsoft is becoming a more closed OS. Windows 8 will no longer support an other browsers than IE and now developer's ability to push out applications using the VS express version will not longer be an option. For this privilege expect to pay $500.00...not much if you are working for a company that will absorb those costs but for small contractors it will now require a more serious commitment. http://www.engadget.com/2012/05/24/microsoft-pulling-free-development-tools- for-windows-8-desktop-apps/ Whether this will impact sales and development in the new Windows who knows but it is sending a signal that two of the major desktop/note pad Operating systems, Apples and Windows will now be closed. Jim From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Sun May 27 01:03:01 2012 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Sun, 27 May 2012 16:03:01 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 8 promises... In-Reply-To: <612A0E1DC8084FBF92CE98AD7B4D15B5@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: , <035201cd3934$421d1fe0$c6575fa0$@winhaven.net>, <612A0E1DC8084FBF92CE98AD7B4D15B5@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <4FC1C395.6005.66163D2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Visual Studio is not the only development environment for Windows 8 Desktop. PowerBasic still works fine on it for a lot les than $500. And you get the advantage of small, fast, efficient applications that can still use the Win API directly. :-) On 26 May 2012 at 22:27, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Following Apples lead, Microsoft is becoming a more closed OS. > > Windows 8 will no longer support an other browsers than IE and now > developer's ability to push out applications using the VS express version > will not longer be an option. For this privilege expect to pay $500.00...not > much if you are working for a company that will absorb those costs but for > small contractors it will now require a more serious commitment. > > http://www.engadget.com/2012/05/24/microsoft-pulling-free-development-tools- > for-windows-8-desktop-apps/ > > Whether this will impact sales and development in the new Windows who knows > but it is sending a signal that two of the major desktop/note pad Operating > systems, Apples and Windows will now be closed. > > Jim > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Stuart McLachlan Ph: +675 340 4392 Mob: +675 7100 2028 Web: http://www.lexacorp.com.pg From accessd at shaw.ca Sun May 27 06:26:36 2012 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sun, 27 May 2012 04:26:36 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 8 promises... In-Reply-To: <4FC1C395.6005.66163D2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: , <035201cd3934$421d1fe0$c6575fa0$@winhaven.net>, <612A0E1DC8084FBF92CE98AD7B4D15B5@creativesystemdesigns.com> <4FC1C395.6005.66163D2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: Right you are, just how could I have over-looked PB? ;-) Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2012 11:03 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows 8 promises... Visual Studio is not the only development environment for Windows 8 Desktop. PowerBasic still works fine on it for a lot les than $500. And you get the advantage of small, fast, efficient applications that can still use the Win API directly. :-) On 26 May 2012 at 22:27, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Following Apples lead, Microsoft is becoming a more closed OS. > > Windows 8 will no longer support an other browsers than IE and now > developer's ability to push out applications using the VS express version > will not longer be an option. For this privilege expect to pay $500.00...not > much if you are working for a company that will absorb those costs but for > small contractors it will now require a more serious commitment. > > http://www.engadget.com/2012/05/24/microsoft-pulling-free-development-tools- > for-windows-8-desktop-apps/ > > Whether this will impact sales and development in the new Windows who knows > but it is sending a signal that two of the major desktop/note pad Operating > systems, Apples and Windows will now be closed. > > Jim > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Stuart McLachlan Ph: +675 340 4392 Mob: +675 7100 2028 Web: http://www.lexacorp.com.pg _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Sun May 27 13:18:46 2012 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sun, 27 May 2012 11:18:46 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] More on Windows 8 promises... In-Reply-To: References: , <035201cd3934$421d1fe0$c6575fa0$@winhaven.net>, <612A0E1DC8084FBF92CE98AD7B4D15B5@creativesystemdesigns.com><4FC1C395.6005.66163D2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: I posted an article on Window 8 and how it is in the process of discouraging development on it but its new decisions may even be more severe than initially mentioned. 1. All development tools will cost...unlike all other OS developers. 2. All applications developed will have to be vetted through MS and that will cost. 3. Older applications will not be able to be easily ported to the new environment. What this means is that all students, novices, development companies will have to anti-up in dollar and re-development time. All Open Source Software will be blocked. Web applications will have to be IE compliant to run on Metro and Microsoft's reputation for complying with the industries standards have been very poor in the past and are most likely going to get even worse. With W8 going it alone many web designers and developers have even stopped building tools or supporting the IE browser all together. They are starting to view entire Windows system as little more than a niche or even a dead-end product. Computer Science graduates have long been the engine of product development and innovation. Windows of the past has been one of the major directions for this talent...but that road is now a very narrow toll road. Whether history will view this move is a brilliant game changer for Microsoft or an act of suicide is still to be written. http://tinyurl.com/brtcays Jim From accessd at shaw.ca Sun May 27 13:35:16 2012 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sun, 27 May 2012 11:35:16 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Old programmers In-Reply-To: References: , <035201cd3934$421d1fe0$c6575fa0$@winhaven.net>, <612A0E1DC8084FBF92CE98AD7B4D15B5@creativesystemdesigns.com><4FC1C395.6005.66163D2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <06E9F77A5B634B5B8FEABD17DC05AD39@creativesystemdesigns.com> I saw this article and decided to post it in it entirety. As an mature programmer I made similar decisions many years ago and understand where this youngster is coming from: " Old Farts Know How to Code I turned 45 this month. In many professions that's the prime age to be - and in others it's considered young - but in my line of work, some people think middle-aged coders are old farts. That's especially true when it comes to startups. The startup culture is similar to professional sports in that it requires a fleet of fresh-out-of-college kids to trade their lives and their health for the potential of short-term glory. "Old farts" are often excluded from that culture, not because we're lousy coders but because we won't put up with that shit. We have lives, we have families, we have other things that are important to us. We're not about to sleep at our desks and trade watching our kids grow up for the promise of striking it rich. Especially when the people who really strike it rich aren't the ones writing code. So many developers my age have had plenty of chances to ditch coding and move into management, but we've stuck with coding because it's what we love to do. We'd earn more in management, but writing software is in our blood. We wouldn't stop doing it for anything. And because of the years we've spent creating software, we've learned what works and what doesn't, regardless of the language or the platform. Operating systems rise and fall, development tools come and go, but through it all, old farts know how to write solid code. " Jim From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk Sun May 27 13:56:17 2012 From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid) Date: Sun, 27 May 2012 19:56:17 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] More on Windows 8 promises... Message-ID: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB082957BD09B5611@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk> And this differs from apple in what way? Martin Sent from my Windows Phone ________________________________ From: Jim Lawrence Sent: 27/05/2012 19:17 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] More on Windows 8 promises... I posted an article on Window 8 and how it is in the process of discouraging development on it but its new decisions may even be more severe than initially mentioned. 1. All development tools will cost...unlike all other OS developers. 2. All applications developed will have to be vetted through MS and that will cost. 3. Older applications will not be able to be easily ported to the new environment. What this means is that all students, novices, development companies will have to anti-up in dollar and re-development time. All Open Source Software will be blocked. Web applications will have to be IE compliant to run on Metro and Microsoft's reputation for complying with the industries standards have been very poor in the past and are most likely going to get even worse. With W8 going it alone many web designers and developers have even stopped building tools or supporting the IE browser all together. They are starting to view entire Windows system as little more than a niche or even a dead-end product. Computer Science graduates have long been the engine of product development and innovation. Windows of the past has been one of the major directions for this talent...but that road is now a very narrow toll road. Whether history will view this move is a brilliant game changer for Microsoft or an act of suicide is still to be written. http://tinyurl.com/brtcays Jim _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From hans.andersen at phulse.com Sun May 27 14:03:12 2012 From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen) Date: Sun, 27 May 2012 12:03:12 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] More on Windows 8 promises... In-Reply-To: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB082957BD09B5611@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk> References: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB082957BD09B5611@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk> Message-ID: Did you read the article? - Hans Sent from my iPhone On 2012-05-27, at 11:56 AM, Martin Reid wrote: > And this differs from apple in what way? > > Martin > > Sent from my Windows Phone > ________________________________ > From: Jim Lawrence > Sent: 27/05/2012 19:17 > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: [dba-Tech] More on Windows 8 promises... > > I posted an article on Window 8 and how it is in the process of discouraging > development on it but its new decisions may even be more severe than > initially mentioned. > > 1. All development tools will cost...unlike all other OS developers. > 2. All applications developed will have to be vetted through MS and that > will cost. > 3. Older applications will not be able to be easily ported to the new > environment. > > What this means is that all students, novices, development companies will > have to anti-up in dollar and re-development time. All Open Source Software > will be blocked. Web applications will have to be IE compliant to run on > Metro and Microsoft's reputation for complying with the industries standards > have been very poor in the past and are most likely going to get even worse. > > > With W8 going it alone many web designers and developers have even stopped > building tools or supporting the IE browser all together. They are starting > to view entire Windows system as little more than a niche or even a dead-end > product. Computer Science graduates have long been the engine of product > development and innovation. Windows of the past has been one of the major > directions for this talent...but that road is now a very narrow toll road. > > Whether history will view this move is a brilliant game changer for > Microsoft or an act of suicide is still to be written. > > http://tinyurl.com/brtcays > > Jim > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From tinanfields at torchlake.com Sun May 27 14:16:56 2012 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Sun, 27 May 2012 15:16:56 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Old programmers In-Reply-To: <06E9F77A5B634B5B8FEABD17DC05AD39@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: , <035201cd3934$421d1fe0$c6575fa0$@winhaven.net>, <612A0E1DC8084FBF92CE98AD7B4D15B5@creativesystemdesigns.com><4FC1C395.6005.66163D2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <06E9F77A5B634B5B8FEABD17DC05AD39@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <4FC27DA8.8000900@torchlake.com> Beautiful! T Tina Norris Fields tinanfields at torchlake.com 231-322-2787 On 5/27/2012 2:35 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > I saw this article and decided to post it in it entirety. As an mature > programmer I made similar decisions many years ago and understand where this > youngster is coming from: > > " Old Farts Know How to Code > > I turned 45 this month. In many professions that's the prime age to be - and > in others it's considered young - but in my line of work, some people think > middle-aged coders are old farts. That's especially true when it comes to > startups. > > The startup culture is similar to professional sports in that it requires a > fleet of fresh-out-of-college kids to trade their lives and their health for > the potential of short-term glory. > > "Old farts" are often excluded from that culture, not because we're lousy > coders but because we won't put up with that shit. We have lives, we have > families, we have other things that are important to us. We're not about to > sleep at our desks and trade watching our kids grow up for the promise of > striking it rich. Especially when the people who really strike it rich > aren't the ones writing code. > > So many developers my age have had plenty of chances to ditch coding and > move into management, but we've stuck with coding because it's what we love > to do. We'd earn more in management, but writing software is in our blood. > We wouldn't stop doing it for anything. > > And because of the years we've spent creating software, we've learned what > works and what doesn't, regardless of the language or the platform. > Operating systems rise and fall, development tools come and go, but through > it all, old farts know how to write solid code. " > > Jim > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From accessd at shaw.ca Sun May 27 15:01:56 2012 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sun, 27 May 2012 13:01:56 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] More on Windows 8 promises... In-Reply-To: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB082957BD09B5611@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk> References: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB082957BD09B5611@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk> Message-ID: Even Apple does not sell its development tools. (Some tools may cost but they are very cheap.) That is the kiss of death as all computer science students, the future leaders of the computer world need to become familiar with the tools-of-the-trade...and they tend to be very poor. Have you ever wondered why Open Standard systems have enjoyed the best growth and highest level on innovation? A good developer is born and not necessarily educated. Most of the young guys I met, in the business, started their careers sometime around 9 or 10, maybe before. They have no money so they gravitate to what ever is cheap or free and simplest to use. Apache over IIS, MySQL over MS SQL, Java/PHP over the new .Net, Linux Servers over MS Servers. Ninety percent of all innovation in the computer industry is created by these young hackers; NoSQL DBs, Event driven internet servers, Linux OS, Cloud development, JavaScript tools, and a huge number of development tools. (Major companies have been harvesting these innovation for years.) Aside: Patent trolls have been making the development of any software an expensive legal nightmare so most new software is patented under the many Open Source dictates which makes its designers safe from legal action but also makes the software unsellable. This is why MS is blocking all this type of software...OSS has been challenging their supremacy and profitability since the early nineties. I see MS as putting up another complex series of road blocks to developers, of the future, as nothing more than stupidity. Abandoning, their desktop roots is one thing but to hobble even their established desktop developers, by not supporting back compatibility or legacy software, blocking OSS, blocking all other browsers and charging a premium to future developers is not going to make their company another Apple. The truth is that Apple does not make a majority of its income from software; it is a HARDWARE company that supports software through its web based distribution system. Jim Sent from my very old Windows XP PC desktop ___________________________________________ -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Martin Reid Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2012 11:56 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] More on Windows 8 promises... And this differs from apple in what way? Martin Sent from my Windows Phone ________________________________ From accessd at shaw.ca Sun May 27 15:03:40 2012 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sun, 27 May 2012 13:03:40 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Old programmers In-Reply-To: <4FC27DA8.8000900@torchlake.com> References: , <035201cd3934$421d1fe0$c6575fa0$@winhaven.net>, <612A0E1DC8084FBF92CE98AD7B4D15B5@creativesystemdesigns.com><4FC1C395.6005.66163D2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg><06E9F77A5B634B5B8FEABD17DC05AD39@creativesystemdesigns.com> <4FC27DA8.8000900@torchlake.com> Message-ID: <50AA159DD0AE40D5A7798224C070B645@creativesystemdesigns.com> Suitable for framing. :-) Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris Fields Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2012 12:17 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Old programmers Beautiful! T Tina Norris Fields tinanfields at torchlake.com 231-322-2787 On 5/27/2012 2:35 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > I saw this article and decided to post it in it entirety. As an mature > programmer I made similar decisions many years ago and understand where this > youngster is coming from: > > " Old Farts Know How to Code > > I turned 45 this month. In many professions that's the prime age to be - and > in others it's considered young - but in my line of work, some people think > middle-aged coders are old farts. That's especially true when it comes to > startups. > > The startup culture is similar to professional sports in that it requires a > fleet of fresh-out-of-college kids to trade their lives and their health for > the potential of short-term glory. > > "Old farts" are often excluded from that culture, not because we're lousy > coders but because we won't put up with that shit. We have lives, we have > families, we have other things that are important to us. We're not about to > sleep at our desks and trade watching our kids grow up for the promise of > striking it rich. Especially when the people who really strike it rich > aren't the ones writing code. > > So many developers my age have had plenty of chances to ditch coding and > move into management, but we've stuck with coding because it's what we love > to do. We'd earn more in management, but writing software is in our blood. > We wouldn't stop doing it for anything. > > And because of the years we've spent creating software, we've learned what > works and what doesn't, regardless of the language or the platform. > Operating systems rise and fall, development tools come and go, but through > it all, old farts know how to write solid code. " > > Jim > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk Sun May 27 15:21:06 2012 From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid) Date: Sun, 27 May 2012 21:21:06 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] More on Windows 8 promises... Message-ID: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB082957BD09B5613@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk> http://www.microsoft.com/uk/education/students/software-and-developer-tools.aspx All free. Will this change? Martin Sent from my Windows Phone ________________________________ From: Jim Lawrence Sent: 27/05/2012 21:00 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] More on Windows 8 promises... Even Apple does not sell its development tools. (Some tools may cost but they are very cheap.) That is the kiss of death as all computer science students, the future leaders of the computer world need to become familiar with the tools-of-the-trade...and they tend to be very poor. Have you ever wondered why Open Standard systems have enjoyed the best growth and highest level on innovation? A good developer is born and not necessarily educated. Most of the young guys I met, in the business, started their careers sometime around 9 or 10, maybe before. They have no money so they gravitate to what ever is cheap or free and simplest to use. Apache over IIS, MySQL over MS SQL, Java/PHP over the new .Net, Linux Servers over MS Servers. Ninety percent of all innovation in the computer industry is created by these young hackers; NoSQL DBs, Event driven internet servers, Linux OS, Cloud development, JavaScript tools, and a huge number of development tools. (Major companies have been harvesting these innovation for years.) Aside: Patent trolls have been making the development of any software an expensive legal nightmare so most new software is patented under the many Open Source dictates which makes its designers safe from legal action but also makes the software unsellable. This is why MS is blocking all this type of software...OSS has been challenging their supremacy and profitability since the early nineties. I see MS as putting up another complex series of road blocks to developers, of the future, as nothing more than stupidity. Abandoning, their desktop roots is one thing but to hobble even their established desktop developers, by not supporting back compatibility or legacy software, blocking OSS, blocking all other browsers and charging a premium to future developers is not going to make their company another Apple. The truth is that Apple does not make a majority of its income from software; it is a HARDWARE company that supports software through its web based distribution system. Jim Sent from my very old Windows XP PC desktop ___________________________________________ -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Martin Reid Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2012 11:56 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] More on Windows 8 promises... And this differs from apple in what way? Martin Sent from my Windows Phone ________________________________ _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Sun May 27 16:09:48 2012 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sun, 27 May 2012 14:09:48 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] More on Windows 8 promises... In-Reply-To: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB082957BD09B5613@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk> References: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB082957BD09B5613@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk> Message-ID: <37D1203AE1054873A73D3E6E315EF33C@creativesystemdesigns.com> Take a look at the dates... most of the packages shown are dated, 2006. :-( Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Martin Reid Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2012 1:21 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] More on Windows 8 promises... http://www.microsoft.com/uk/education/students/software-and-developer-tools. aspx All free. Will this change? Martin Sent from my Windows Phone ________________________________ From: Jim Lawrence Sent: 27/05/2012 21:00 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] More on Windows 8 promises... Even Apple does not sell its development tools. (Some tools may cost but they are very cheap.) That is the kiss of death as all computer science students, the future leaders of the computer world need to become familiar with the tools-of-the-trade...and they tend to be very poor. Have you ever wondered why Open Standard systems have enjoyed the best growth and highest level on innovation? A good developer is born and not necessarily educated. Most of the young guys I met, in the business, started their careers sometime around 9 or 10, maybe before. They have no money so they gravitate to what ever is cheap or free and simplest to use. Apache over IIS, MySQL over MS SQL, Java/PHP over the new .Net, Linux Servers over MS Servers. Ninety percent of all innovation in the computer industry is created by these young hackers; NoSQL DBs, Event driven internet servers, Linux OS, Cloud development, JavaScript tools, and a huge number of development tools. (Major companies have been harvesting these innovation for years.) Aside: Patent trolls have been making the development of any software an expensive legal nightmare so most new software is patented under the many Open Source dictates which makes its designers safe from legal action but also makes the software unsellable. This is why MS is blocking all this type of software...OSS has been challenging their supremacy and profitability since the early nineties. I see MS as putting up another complex series of road blocks to developers, of the future, as nothing more than stupidity. Abandoning, their desktop roots is one thing but to hobble even their established desktop developers, by not supporting back compatibility or legacy software, blocking OSS, blocking all other browsers and charging a premium to future developers is not going to make their company another Apple. The truth is that Apple does not make a majority of its income from software; it is a HARDWARE company that supports software through its web based distribution system. Jim Sent from my very old Windows XP PC desktop ___________________________________________ -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Martin Reid Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2012 11:56 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] More on Windows 8 promises... And this differs from apple in what way? Martin Sent from my Windows Phone ________________________________ _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From hans.andersen at phulse.com Sun May 27 17:29:48 2012 From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen) Date: Sun, 27 May 2012 15:29:48 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] More on Windows 8 promises... In-Reply-To: <37D1203AE1054873A73D3E6E315EF33C@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB082957BD09B5613@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk> <37D1203AE1054873A73D3E6E315EF33C@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <9416733F-390F-4A90-A81D-59C5C185271B@phulse.com> Not only that, but Dreamspark is only available to college/university students and seems to require an acknowledged email address, such as .edu or .ac.uk. If that's the case, this may provide difficult for a foreign student or a student of an un-accredited school. Further more, this completely excludes younger students, open source developers and anyone wanting to learn to program or develop software independently. This will force an incentive to distribute software at a cost and be a prohibitive barrier of entry. The big idea, as far as Microsoft is concerned, is to force (sorry, incentivise) these "second class developers" into making Metro apps, because Microsoft has a lot of catching up to do against iOS and Android. But in my opinion, it will only serve to push them to other platforms, like Linux, Android and Apple. There is already a trend of moving away from Windows development, so this may simply accelerate this change. The carrot and a hammer approach tends not to work very well. Best regards, Hans-Christian Andersen On 27 May 2012, at 14:09, "Jim Lawrence" wrote: > Take a look at the dates... most of the packages shown are dated, 2006. :-( > > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Martin Reid > Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2012 1:21 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] More on Windows 8 promises... > > http://www.microsoft.com/uk/education/students/software-and-developer-tools. > aspx > > All free. Will this change? > > Martin > > Sent from my Windows Phone > ________________________________ > From: Jim Lawrence > Sent: 27/05/2012 21:00 > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] More on Windows 8 promises... > > Even Apple does not sell its development tools. (Some tools may cost but > they are very cheap.) > > That is the kiss of death as all computer science students, the future > leaders of the computer world need to become familiar with the > tools-of-the-trade...and they tend to be very poor. > > Have you ever wondered why Open Standard systems have enjoyed the best > growth and highest level on innovation? A good developer is born and not > necessarily educated. > > Most of the young guys I met, in the business, started their careers > sometime around 9 or 10, maybe before. They have no money so they gravitate > to what ever is cheap or free and simplest to use. > > Apache over IIS, MySQL over MS SQL, Java/PHP over the new .Net, Linux > Servers over MS Servers. Ninety percent of all innovation in the computer > industry is created by these young hackers; NoSQL DBs, Event driven internet > servers, Linux OS, Cloud development, JavaScript tools, and a huge number of > development tools. (Major companies have been harvesting these innovation > for years.) > > Aside: Patent trolls have been making the development of any software an > expensive legal nightmare so most new software is patented under the many > Open Source dictates which makes its designers safe from legal action but > also makes the software unsellable. This is why MS is blocking all this type > of software...OSS has been challenging their supremacy and profitability > since the early nineties. > > I see MS as putting up another complex series of road blocks to developers, > of the future, as nothing more than stupidity. Abandoning, their desktop > roots is one thing but to hobble even their established desktop developers, > by not supporting back compatibility or legacy software, blocking OSS, > blocking all other browsers and charging a premium to future developers is > not going to make their company another Apple. > > The truth is that Apple does not make a majority of its income from > software; it is a HARDWARE company that supports software through its web > based distribution system. > > Jim > > Sent from my very old Windows XP PC desktop > ___________________________________________ > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Martin Reid > Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2012 11:56 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] More on Windows 8 promises... > > And this differs from apple in what way? > > Martin > > Sent from my Windows Phone > ________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Mon May 28 07:14:39 2012 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 08:14:39 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Attach a VHD to Oracle VirtualBox Message-ID: I have downloaded the XP_IE6 VHD from Microsoft and now I want to "attach" it to VirtualBox. Should I copy the VHD to a CD first and then create the VM in the usual way, citing the CD as the source? TIA, -- Arthur Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. -- Niels Bohr From fuller.artful at gmail.com Mon May 28 11:56:56 2012 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 12:56:56 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] While You're Up, Son, Get Me a Beer Message-ID: German teen Shouryya Ray solves 300-year-old mathematical riddle posed by Sir Isaac Newton *A GERMAN 16-year-old has become the first person to solve a mathematical problem posed by Sir Isaac Newton more than 300 years ago.* Shouryya Ray worked out how to calculate exactly the path of a projectile under gravity and subject to air resistance, *The (London) Sunday Times* reported. The Indian-born teen said he solved the problem that had stumped mathematicians for centuries while working on a school project. Mr Ray won a research award for his efforts and has been labeled a genius by the German media, but he put it down to "curiosity and schoolboy naivety". "When it was explained to us that the problems had no solutions, I thought to myself, 'well, there's no harm in trying,'" he said. Mr Ray's family moved to Germany when he was 12 after his engineer father got a job at a technical college. He said his father instilled in him a "hunger for mathematics" and taught him calculus at the age of six. Mr Ray's father, Subhashis, said his son's mathematical prowess quickly outstripped his own considerable knowledge. "He never discussed his project with me before it was finished and the mathematics he used are far beyond my reach," he said. Despite not speaking a word of German when he arrived, Mr Ray will this week sit Germany's high school leaving exams, two years ahead of his peers. Newton posed the problem, relating to the movement of projectiles through the air, in the 17th century. Mathematicians had only been able to offer partial solutions until now. If that wasn't enough of an achievement, Mr Ray has also solved a second problem, dealing with the collision of a body with a wall, that was posed in the 19th century. Both problems Mr Ray resolved are from the field of dynamics and his solutions are expected to contribute to greater precision in areas such as ballistics. -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. -- Niels Bohr From accessd at shaw.ca Mon May 28 12:27:08 2012 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 10:27:08 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] While You're Up, Son, Get Me a Beer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Impressive. This fellow will be heard of again. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Monday, May 28, 2012 9:57 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] While You're Up, Son, Get Me a Beer German teen Shouryya Ray solves 300-year-old mathematical riddle posed by Sir Isaac Newton *A GERMAN 16-year-old has become the first person to solve a mathematical problem posed by Sir Isaac Newton more than 300 years ago.* Shouryya Ray worked out how to calculate exactly the path of a projectile under gravity and subject to air resistance, *The (London) Sunday Times* reported. The Indian-born teen said he solved the problem that had stumped mathematicians for centuries while working on a school project. Mr Ray won a research award for his efforts and has been labeled a genius by the German media, but he put it down to "curiosity and schoolboy naivety". "When it was explained to us that the problems had no solutions, I thought to myself, 'well, there's no harm in trying,'" he said. Mr Ray's family moved to Germany when he was 12 after his engineer father got a job at a technical college. He said his father instilled in him a "hunger for mathematics" and taught him calculus at the age of six. Mr Ray's father, Subhashis, said his son's mathematical prowess quickly outstripped his own considerable knowledge. "He never discussed his project with me before it was finished and the mathematics he used are far beyond my reach," he said. Despite not speaking a word of German when he arrived, Mr Ray will this week sit Germany's high school leaving exams, two years ahead of his peers. Newton posed the problem, relating to the movement of projectiles through the air, in the 17th century. Mathematicians had only been able to offer partial solutions until now. If that wasn't enough of an achievement, Mr Ray has also solved a second problem, dealing with the collision of a body with a wall, that was posed in the 19th century. Both problems Mr Ray resolved are from the field of dynamics and his solutions are expected to contribute to greater precision in areas such as ballistics. -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. -- Niels Bohr _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From tinanfields at torchlake.com Mon May 28 12:42:32 2012 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 13:42:32 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] While You're Up, Son, Get Me a Beer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4FC3B908.3040409@torchlake.com> That is just terrific! Thanks for posting. T Tina Norris Fields tinanfields at torchlake.com 231-322-2787 On 5/28/2012 12:56 PM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > German teen Shouryya Ray solves 300-year-old mathematical riddle posed by > Sir Isaac Newton > > *A GERMAN 16-year-old has become the first person to solve a mathematical > problem posed by Sir Isaac Newton more than 300 years ago.* > > Shouryya Ray worked out how to calculate exactly the path of a projectile > under gravity and subject to air resistance, *The (London) Sunday Times* > reported. > > The Indian-born teen said he solved the problem that had stumped > mathematicians for centuries while working on a school project. > > Mr Ray won a research award for his efforts and has been labeled a genius > by the German media, but he put it down to "curiosity and schoolboy > naivety". > > "When it was explained to us that the problems had no solutions, I thought > to myself, 'well, there's no harm in trying,'" he said. > > Mr Ray's family moved to Germany when he was 12 after his engineer father > got a job at a technical college. He said his father instilled in him a > "hunger for mathematics" and taught him calculus at the age of six. > > Mr Ray's father, Subhashis, said his son's mathematical prowess quickly > outstripped his own considerable knowledge. > > "He never discussed his project with me before it was finished and the > mathematics he used are far beyond my reach," he said. > > Despite not speaking a word of German when he arrived, Mr Ray will this > week sit Germany's high school leaving exams, two years ahead of his peers. > > Newton posed the problem, relating to the movement of projectiles through > the air, in the 17th century. Mathematicians had only been able to offer > partial solutions until now. > > If that wasn't enough of an achievement, Mr Ray has also solved a second > problem, dealing with the collision of a body with a wall, that was posed > in the 19th century. > > Both problems Mr Ray resolved are from the field of dynamics and his > solutions are expected to contribute to greater precision in areas such as > ballistics. From jon.tydda at lonza.com Tue May 29 05:59:56 2012 From: jon.tydda at lonza.com (Tydda Jon - Slough) Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 12:59:56 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 7 recovery console Message-ID: Hi all We're experiencing problems with our Win 7 desktops. Sometimes, the computer does not start properly, and brings up the recovery console. When this happens, users are given the option of "Recover" or "Restore". When they choose restore, the computer picks the last available restore point. The problem with that is that Group Policy disables the creation of new restore points, so these computers are restored to the very first one, which is part way through the initial build process - Windows has been installed, but with no software, and it has not yet joined the domain. When this happens, all we can do is re-image the computer. This doesn't take long, but it's happening with alarming frequency - every time we have power issues, or if someone didn't shut down properly. Two weeks ago we had a power cut in one building and had to rebuild 12 desktops that morning. Does anyone know if there is there any way that we can disable the recovery console, or to create a restore point after the build has completed, so that if this does happen again, at least it will be restored to a point after the computer was installed and on the domain? I did find a script that creates a manual restore point, but when I run it, it tells me that "Group Policy prevents this script from running". I did originally think that finding a technological solution would be easier than educating the users, but it seems that I may have been wrong about that... :) Jon ________________________________ This communication and its attachments, if any, may contain confidential and privileged information the use of which by other persons or entities than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you receive this transmission in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete the material from your system. From accessd at shaw.ca Tue May 29 14:09:06 2012 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 12:09:06 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Super viruses In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7B56D4DA3AF14FA0BD182B1B8F7E955C@creativesystemdesigns.com> It is clear that massive resources are being put into Malware, ones that have their development being built via well funded government agencies. We might well expect that the US government directly or indirectly had input into this but the real authors are unlikely to admit it. The only trouble is, like gas warfare from the first world war, its deployment can cause damage to everyone in the vicinity and in this case it could be anywhere in the world. Once the design of the product can be analyzed it can just be rejigged and redeployed. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/05/29/flame_cyberweapon_analysis/ Jim From accessd at shaw.ca Thu May 31 12:28:26 2012 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 10:28:26 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] The Cloud In-Reply-To: <7B56D4DA3AF14FA0BD182B1B8F7E955C@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <7B56D4DA3AF14FA0BD182B1B8F7E955C@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: Many of us thought the Cloud technology was little more than a passing phase or at worse, just a niche market product. It has been felt that its impact on clients and the industry as a whole would be minor. That assessment was given less than a year ago and at that time it was probably true...but in the computer world one year real time equals ten in the computer world. Pundits are now giving Cloud maturity point as between eight and ten years. So what makes the Cloud so appealing? It is because there will be two choices for Businesses. One, the traditional method of managing your own IT department, with all its inherent costs in hardware and staff. Two, the new Cloud method where much of the hardware and it associated IT staff are moved out of the Business. It is much like owning a car. Some people may just buy it out-right and assume complete responsibility of any maintenance costs or go the leasing route and pay monthly fees forever. Leasing in reality is more expensive and less flexible but there is, supposedly, no (or very limited) repair or maintenance costs. It seems that the BE market is now either custom or cookie-cutter. It can be argued that the Cloud is still flexible or that in-house servers can be very standard and require very little management... Here is another interesting article on the Cloud and it impact and time-line on the IT staff. http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/cio-insights/revealed-the-jobs-that-will-be -wiped-out-by-cloud-computing/39748762?tag=nl.e101 It is also noted in this article that one of the big positives will be that within the next decade, most of the Baby-Boomers will be gone and as universities are churning out less IT graduates, existing IT people will find the market becoming much better through less competition. The one big issue that has and will stop further expansion of the Cloud is the poor web and cell coverage outside the main population centers. Unfortunately, numerous infrastructure monopolies see no short term profits from further expansion. Until society views the internet as just a utility, this situation will limit further technological advancements and Cloud deployment as well. In the meantime, start learning how to use the Cloud. Jim From fuller.artful at gmail.com Thu May 31 15:31:57 2012 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 16:31:57 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] So long, Norman Message-ID: That's actually a quote from one of my fave singer-songwriters, to wit, Warren Zevon. The song is The Great Pretender and it's on his second album. But the point here is not about Warren Zevon, it's about my final liberation from Microsoft. I have at last converted my main squeeze to a native boot of Linux Mint 11. Inside that, I run Oracle VirtualBox, and inside that I run the only instances of Windows that I care about, each of which emulates a client workstation with only and exactly what the clients run. I have to tell you that for the first time in at least a decade, I finally feel free from the fellows in Redmond. The few times that I need to do some development for a client, I run a VM to do so. The rest of the time I'm living in Linux/Mint, and I love it. I do need to purchase a new laptop this month, but that's another story. It will probably come equipped with one or another version of Windows 7, and having toured the Windows 8 preliminary versions, I can see no reason to go there. Mind you, all this needs to be taken with a large grain of salt, since I am almost 65 years old and have little to no desire to retain my place on the bleeding edge. I have a stupid-phone and no tablets or any other fancy techno-vices. I'll continue to maintain the apps that I already have in the field, but from here on in my native OS is Mint, not Windows. For that kind of work, a VM will do just fine. I can precisely emulate what the client runs, right down to Windows/Office/SPs, so that I'm 100% confident that if it works in my VM, it will work on their hardware. And after that, my friends in Redmond, I have lost interest in your future directions. I simply do not care any more. -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. -- Niels Bohr From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Thu May 31 15:34:58 2012 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2012 06:34:58 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] The Cloud In-Reply-To: References: , <7B56D4DA3AF14FA0BD182B1B8F7E955C@creativesystemdesigns.com>, Message-ID: <4FC7D5F2.650.8CFB99C@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> "The one big issue" ? Correction: "One of the many big issues" Just off the top of my head, here's four others which are killers for most companies around the world: Data security, infrastructure security (every device in your organisation has to be exposed to the cloud), service availability, bandwidth availability/cost. -- Stuart On 31 May 2012 at 10:28, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Many of us thought the Cloud technology was little more than a passing phase > or at worse, just a niche market product. It has been felt that its impact > on clients and the industry as a whole would be minor. > > That assessment was given less than a year ago and at that time it was > probably true...but in the computer world one year real time equals ten in > the computer world. Pundits are now giving Cloud maturity point as between > eight and ten years. > > So what makes the Cloud so appealing? > > It is because there will be two choices for Businesses. One, the traditional > method of managing your own IT department, with all its inherent costs in > hardware and staff. Two, the new Cloud method where much of the hardware and > it associated IT staff are moved out of the Business. > > It is much like owning a car. Some people may just buy it out-right and > assume complete responsibility of any maintenance costs or go the leasing > route and pay monthly fees forever. Leasing in reality is more expensive and > less flexible but there is, supposedly, no (or very limited) repair or > maintenance costs. > > It seems that the BE market is now either custom or cookie-cutter. It can be > argued that the Cloud is still flexible or that in-house servers can be very > standard and require very little management... > > Here is another interesting article on the Cloud and it impact and time-line > on the IT staff. > > http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/cio-insights/revealed-the-jobs-that-will-be > -wiped-out-by-cloud-computing/39748762?tag=nl.e101 > > It is also noted in this article that one of the big positives will be that > within the next decade, most of the Baby-Boomers will be gone and as > universities are churning out less IT graduates, existing IT people will > find the market becoming much better through less competition. > > The one big issue that has and will stop further expansion of the Cloud is > the poor web and cell coverage outside the main population centers. > Unfortunately, numerous infrastructure monopolies see no short term profits > from further expansion. Until society views the internet as just a utility, > this situation will limit further technological advancements and Cloud > deployment as well. > > In the meantime, start learning how to use the Cloud. > > Jim > > _______________________________________________ > dba-OT mailing list > dba-OT at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-ot > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Stuart McLachlan Ph: +675 340 4392 Mob: +675 7100 2028 Web: http://www.lexacorp.com.pg From hans.andersen at phulse.com Thu May 31 20:49:59 2012 From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen) Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 18:49:59 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] The Cloud In-Reply-To: <4FC7D5F2.650.8CFB99C@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <7B56D4DA3AF14FA0BD182B1B8F7E955C@creativesystemdesigns.com> <4FC7D5F2.650.8CFB99C@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <58F0F950-173C-4C90-86A8-509BE2FFD747@phulse.com> I've been using Amazons web services for a bit recently and found that it is quite good, mature and I am impressed in general. The security is fairly comprehensive and fine grain (almost too much IMO) and you have the option of using encrypted drives for data security. If you are dealing with top secret data and services (ie. govt military contracts), then it might not be forge right solution, but for your ordinary business, it's quite sufficient and gives you a lot of options to keep costs low, while being able to scale up according to need. I wouldn't discard it completely, especially since running your own IT infrastructure is complicated, relatively expensive and can break in so many ways. Meanwhile, you get the support of a hi-tech company with very smart engineers, who are monitoring things at all times. This is what progress looks like, otherwise we'd all still be writing in assembler. - Hans Sent from my iPhone On 2012-05-31, at 1:34 PM, "Stuart McLachlan" wrote: > "The one big issue" ? > > Correction: "One of the many big issues" > > Just off the top of my head, here's four others which are killers for most companies around > the world: > > Data security, infrastructure security (every device in your organisation has to be exposed to > the cloud), service availability, bandwidth availability/cost. > > > -- > Stuart > > > On 31 May 2012 at 10:28, Jim Lawrence wrote: > >> Many of us thought the Cloud technology was little more than a passing phase >> or at worse, just a niche market product. It has been felt that its impact >> on clients and the industry as a whole would be minor. >> >> That assessment was given less than a year ago and at that time it was >> probably true...but in the computer world one year real time equals ten in >> the computer world. Pundits are now giving Cloud maturity point as between >> eight and ten years. >> >> So what makes the Cloud so appealing? >> >> It is because there will be two choices for Businesses. One, the traditional >> method of managing your own IT department, with all its inherent costs in >> hardware and staff. Two, the new Cloud method where much of the hardware and >> it associated IT staff are moved out of the Business. >> >> It is much like owning a car. Some people may just buy it out-right and >> assume complete responsibility of any maintenance costs or go the leasing >> route and pay monthly fees forever. Leasing in reality is more expensive and >> less flexible but there is, supposedly, no (or very limited) repair or >> maintenance costs. >> >> It seems that the BE market is now either custom or cookie-cutter. It can be >> argued that the Cloud is still flexible or that in-house servers can be very >> standard and require very little management... >> >> Here is another interesting article on the Cloud and it impact and time-line >> on the IT staff. >> >> http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/cio-insights/revealed-the-jobs-that-will-be >> -wiped-out-by-cloud-computing/39748762?tag=nl.e101 >> >> It is also noted in this article that one of the big positives will be that >> within the next decade, most of the Baby-Boomers will be gone and as >> universities are churning out less IT graduates, existing IT people will >> find the market becoming much better through less competition. >> >> The one big issue that has and will stop further expansion of the Cloud is >> the poor web and cell coverage outside the main population centers. >> Unfortunately, numerous infrastructure monopolies see no short term profits >> from further expansion. Until society views the internet as just a utility, >> this situation will limit further technological advancements and Cloud >> deployment as well. >> >> In the meantime, start learning how to use the Cloud. >> >> Jim >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-OT mailing list >> dba-OT at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-ot >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > > -- > Stuart McLachlan > > Ph: +675 340 4392 > Mob: +675 7100 2028 > Web: http://www.lexacorp.com.pg > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From john at winhaven.net Thu May 31 21:09:28 2012 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 21:09:28 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] The Cloud In-Reply-To: References: <7B56D4DA3AF14FA0BD182B1B8F7E955C@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <037b01cd3f9b$932504d0$b96f0e70$@winhaven.net> While I still have my reservations concerning much of cloud computing, I have started offering cloud based managed services. One foot planted in the present and one foot reaching toward the future... -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 12:28 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'; 'Off Topic' Subject: [dba-Tech] The Cloud Many of us thought the Cloud technology was little more than a passing phase or at worse, just a niche market product. It has been felt that its impact on clients and the industry as a whole would be minor. That assessment was given less than a year ago and at that time it was probably true...but in the computer world one year real time equals ten in the computer world. Pundits are now giving Cloud maturity point as between eight and ten years. So what makes the Cloud so appealing? It is because there will be two choices for Businesses. One, the traditional method of managing your own IT department, with all its inherent costs in hardware and staff. Two, the new Cloud method where much of the hardware and it associated IT staff are moved out of the Business. It is much like owning a car. Some people may just buy it out-right and assume complete responsibility of any maintenance costs or go the leasing route and pay monthly fees forever. Leasing in reality is more expensive and less flexible but there is, supposedly, no (or very limited) repair or maintenance costs. It seems that the BE market is now either custom or cookie-cutter. It can be argued that the Cloud is still flexible or that in-house servers can be very standard and require very little management... Here is another interesting article on the Cloud and it impact and time-line on the IT staff. http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/cio-insights/revealed-the-jobs-that-will-be -wiped-out-by-cloud-computing/39748762?tag=nl.e101 It is also noted in this article that one of the big positives will be that within the next decade, most of the Baby-Boomers will be gone and as universities are churning out less IT graduates, existing IT people will find the market becoming much better through less competition. The one big issue that has and will stop further expansion of the Cloud is the poor web and cell coverage outside the main population centers. Unfortunately, numerous infrastructure monopolies see no short term profits from further expansion. Until society views the internet as just a utility, this situation will limit further technological advancements and Cloud deployment as well. In the meantime, start learning how to use the Cloud. Jim _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Thu May 31 21:56:08 2012 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 19:56:08 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] So long, Norman In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1A31CD288EA64A54B8C266EC1A6D8080@creativesystemdesigns.com> Hear Hear. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 1:32 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] So long, Norman That's actually a quote from one of my fave singer-songwriters, to wit, Warren Zevon. The song is The Great Pretender and it's on his second album. But the point here is not about Warren Zevon, it's about my final liberation from Microsoft. I have at last converted my main squeeze to a native boot of Linux Mint 11. Inside that, I run Oracle VirtualBox, and inside that I run the only instances of Windows that I care about, each of which emulates a client workstation with only and exactly what the clients run. I have to tell you that for the first time in at least a decade, I finally feel free from the fellows in Redmond. The few times that I need to do some development for a client, I run a VM to do so. The rest of the time I'm living in Linux/Mint, and I love it. I do need to purchase a new laptop this month, but that's another story. It will probably come equipped with one or another version of Windows 7, and having toured the Windows 8 preliminary versions, I can see no reason to go there. Mind you, all this needs to be taken with a large grain of salt, since I am almost 65 years old and have little to no desire to retain my place on the bleeding edge. I have a stupid-phone and no tablets or any other fancy techno-vices. I'll continue to maintain the apps that I already have in the field, but from here on in my native OS is Mint, not Windows. For that kind of work, a VM will do just fine. I can precisely emulate what the client runs, right down to Windows/Office/SPs, so that I'm 100% confident that if it works in my VM, it will work on their hardware. And after that, my friends in Redmond, I have lost interest in your future directions. I simply do not care any more. -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. -- Niels Bohr _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Thu May 31 21:59:18 2012 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 19:59:18 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] The Cloud In-Reply-To: <037b01cd3f9b$932504d0$b96f0e70$@winhaven.net> References: <7B56D4DA3AF14FA0BD182B1B8F7E955C@creativesystemdesigns.com> <037b01cd3f9b$932504d0$b96f0e70$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: <6C5C12FD159149D6A2BF696AADED2CA1@creativesystemdesigns.com> You're thinking.... :-) Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 7:09 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] The Cloud While I still have my reservations concerning much of cloud computing, I have started offering cloud based managed services. One foot planted in the present and one foot reaching toward the future... -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 12:28 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'; 'Off Topic' Subject: [dba-Tech] The Cloud Many of us thought the Cloud technology was little more than a passing phase or at worse, just a niche market product. It has been felt that its impact on clients and the industry as a whole would be minor. That assessment was given less than a year ago and at that time it was probably true...but in the computer world one year real time equals ten in the computer world. Pundits are now giving Cloud maturity point as between eight and ten years. So what makes the Cloud so appealing? It is because there will be two choices for Businesses. One, the traditional method of managing your own IT department, with all its inherent costs in hardware and staff. Two, the new Cloud method where much of the hardware and it associated IT staff are moved out of the Business. It is much like owning a car. Some people may just buy it out-right and assume complete responsibility of any maintenance costs or go the leasing route and pay monthly fees forever. Leasing in reality is more expensive and less flexible but there is, supposedly, no (or very limited) repair or maintenance costs. It seems that the BE market is now either custom or cookie-cutter. It can be argued that the Cloud is still flexible or that in-house servers can be very standard and require very little management... Here is another interesting article on the Cloud and it impact and time-line on the IT staff. http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/cio-insights/revealed-the-jobs-that-will-be -wiped-out-by-cloud-computing/39748762?tag=nl.e101 It is also noted in this article that one of the big positives will be that within the next decade, most of the Baby-Boomers will be gone and as universities are churning out less IT graduates, existing IT people will find the market becoming much better through less competition. The one big issue that has and will stop further expansion of the Cloud is the poor web and cell coverage outside the main population centers. Unfortunately, numerous infrastructure monopolies see no short term profits from further expansion. Until society views the internet as just a utility, this situation will limit further technological advancements and Cloud deployment as well. In the meantime, start learning how to use the Cloud. Jim _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Thu May 31 22:52:52 2012 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 20:52:52 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] The future of the web and business In-Reply-To: <037b01cd3f9b$932504d0$b96f0e70$@winhaven.net> References: <7B56D4DA3AF14FA0BD182B1B8F7E955C@creativesystemdesigns.com> <037b01cd3f9b$932504d0$b96f0e70$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: Although the following assessment if completely consumer centric it has some very interesting stats and trends. http://tinyurl.com/7lpbocz I find myself a little off that stream, as I would expect most tech would be. We are not the average consumer as we are involved in the actual production of content and content delivery, so laptops (with real keyboards) and servers (with real operating systems) will still be a big major part of our lives...but it seems fewer are capable or are willing to roll their own these days. As I have said many times before; "My job isn't done until there's no one working"...and then I will just turn out the lights on my way out. ;-) Jim From john at winhaven.net Thu May 31 23:08:21 2012 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 23:08:21 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] The future of the web and business In-Reply-To: References: <7B56D4DA3AF14FA0BD182B1B8F7E955C@creativesystemdesigns.com> <037b01cd3f9b$932504d0$b96f0e70$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: <03a501cd3fac$2eb04080$8c10c180$@winhaven.net> Lol - ditto to something like that :-) -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 10:53 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] The future of the web and business As I have said many times before; "My job isn't done until there's no one working"...and then I will just turn out the lights on my way out. ;-) Jim