From tinanfields at torchlake.com Tue Sep 4 08:04:55 2012 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2012 09:04:55 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Network questions Message-ID: <5045FC77.8010300@torchlake.com> Hail, oh wise group! In my daughter and son-in-law's home, there are two networks. One is Brad's business network. The other is the family network. At present, there is one printer. It is in Brad's business network. He would like to make the printer available to the computers in the family network, but, of course, he doesn't want the kids to have access to his business network. I get to figure out the strategy and structure to use. Is there a neat way I can make this printer available to both networks? Thanks for your thoughts and help, T -- Tina Norris Fields tinanfields at torchlake.com 231-322-2787 From accessd at shaw.ca Tue Sep 4 11:35:47 2012 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2012 09:35:47 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Network questions In-Reply-To: <5045FC77.8010300@torchlake.com> References: <5045FC77.8010300@torchlake.com> Message-ID: <04DC8AA809C34EFE836213D462278F2C@creativesystemdesigns.com> Is the printer one that is connected on a computer and therefore needs pass-through capabilities, a wireless printer or a network printer? Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris Fields Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2012 6:05 AM To: DatabaseAdvisors-Tech Subject: [dba-Tech] Network questions Hail, oh wise group! In my daughter and son-in-law's home, there are two networks. One is Brad's business network. The other is the family network. At present, there is one printer. It is in Brad's business network. He would like to make the printer available to the computers in the family network, but, of course, he doesn't want the kids to have access to his business network. I get to figure out the strategy and structure to use. Is there a neat way I can make this printer available to both networks? Thanks for your thoughts and help, T -- Tina Norris Fields tinanfields at torchlake.com 231-322-2787 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From tinanfields at torchlake.com Tue Sep 4 14:02:12 2012 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2012 15:02:12 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Network questions In-Reply-To: <04DC8AA809C34EFE836213D462278F2C@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <5045FC77.8010300@torchlake.com> <04DC8AA809C34EFE836213D462278F2C@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <50465034.3090703@torchlake.com> Hi Jim, I should have told you how things are currently set up. Sorry. So, we have the POE modem with two routers - Business and Family. Brad's computer is wirelessly networked to the Business router. The printer is cable networked to the Business router. Brad's computer sees the printer as a network printer. Family computer 1 is wirelessly networked to the Family router. Family computer 2 is wirelessly networked to the Family router. Family computers 1 and 2 have shared document folders that are mapped as drive Z: to the other computer. So, one child could place a file in the shared documents on Family computer 1 and a second child could access that file by going to drive Z on Family computer 2 - and vice versa. Small and simple. What I thought might work is to move the printer into the Family network, then give Brad access from his computer to both the Business and Family networks. Would that work? Best, T Tina Norris Fields tinanfields at torchlake.com 231-322-2787 On 9/4/2012 12:35 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Is the printer one that is connected on a computer and therefore needsi > pass-through capabilities, a wireless printer or a network printer? > > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris > Fields > Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2012 6:05 AM > To: DatabaseAdvisors-Tech > Subject: [dba-Tech] Network questions > > Hail, oh wise group! > > In my daughter and son-in-law's home, there are two networks. One is > Brad's business network. The other is the family network. At present, > there is one printer. It is in Brad's business network. He would like > to make the printer available to the computers in the family network, > but, of course, he doesn't want the kids to have access to his business > network. I get to figure out the strategy and structure to use. > > Is there a neat way I can make this printer available to both networks? > > Thanks for your thoughts and help, > T > From accessd at shaw.ca Tue Sep 4 17:55:59 2012 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2012 15:55:59 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Network questions In-Reply-To: <50465034.3090703@torchlake.com> References: <5045FC77.8010300@torchlake.com><04DC8AA809C34EFE836213D462278F2C@creativesystemdesigns.com> <50465034.3090703@torchlake.com> Message-ID: <137A680CEA304198900AE51C7C89F2FA@creativesystemdesigns.com> The only ways I know how to do this is via three options. One, if your Router is smart enough, it can host and advertise its printer via IP address and as the networks are physically connected the printer can be reach via its unique IP address and subdomain. Two, and most common, somewhere a server based computer has to be present. By using its share controls and user privileges. Three, has a stand alone old box used for the sole purpose of providing access to all the networks for printer use... a print server. Generally this box can be some Linux distro. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris Fields Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2012 12:02 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Network questions Hi Jim, I should have told you how things are currently set up. Sorry. So, we have the POE modem with two routers - Business and Family. Brad's computer is wirelessly networked to the Business router. The printer is cable networked to the Business router. Brad's computer sees the printer as a network printer. Family computer 1 is wirelessly networked to the Family router. Family computer 2 is wirelessly networked to the Family router. Family computers 1 and 2 have shared document folders that are mapped as drive Z: to the other computer. So, one child could place a file in the shared documents on Family computer 1 and a second child could access that file by going to drive Z on Family computer 2 - and vice versa. Small and simple. What I thought might work is to move the printer into the Family network, then give Brad access from his computer to both the Business and Family networks. Would that work? Best, T Tina Norris Fields tinanfields at torchlake.com 231-322-2787 On 9/4/2012 12:35 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Is the printer one that is connected on a computer and therefore needsi > pass-through capabilities, a wireless printer or a network printer? > > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris > Fields > Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2012 6:05 AM > To: DatabaseAdvisors-Tech > Subject: [dba-Tech] Network questions > > Hail, oh wise group! > > In my daughter and son-in-law's home, there are two networks. One is > Brad's business network. The other is the family network. At present, > there is one printer. It is in Brad's business network. He would like > to make the printer available to the computers in the family network, > but, of course, he doesn't want the kids to have access to his business > network. I get to figure out the strategy and structure to use. > > Is there a neat way I can make this printer available to both networks? > > Thanks for your thoughts and help, > T > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From tinanfields at torchlake.com Wed Sep 5 06:33:48 2012 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2012 07:33:48 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Network questions In-Reply-To: <137A680CEA304198900AE51C7C89F2FA@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <5045FC77.8010300@torchlake.com><04DC8AA809C34EFE836213D462278F2C@creativesystemdesigns.com> <50465034.3090703@torchlake.com> <137A680CEA304198900AE51C7C89F2FA@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <5047389C.4050600@torchlake.com> Hi Jim, I like the IP address approach. I also like the print server box approach. I'll try the IP address way, first - with the printer in the Family network and Brad having access to that network as well as the Business network. Thanks for the help. I'll report back on my success. T Tina Norris Fields tinanfields at torchlake.com 231-322-2787 On 9/4/2012 6:55 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > The only ways I know how to do this is via three options. > > One, if your Router is smart enough, it can host and advertise its printer > via IP address and as the networks are physically connected the printer can > be reach via its unique IP address and subdomain. > > Two, and most common, somewhere a server based computer has to be present. > By using its share controls and user privileges. > > Three, has a stand alone old box used for the sole purpose of providing > access to all the networks for printer use... a print server. Generally this > box can be some Linux distro. > > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris > Fields > Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2012 12:02 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Network questions > > Hi Jim, > > I should have told you how things are currently set up. Sorry. > > So, we have the POE modem with two routers - Business and Family. > > Brad's computer is wirelessly networked to the Business router. > The printer is cable networked to the Business router. > Brad's computer sees the printer as a network printer. > > Family computer 1 is wirelessly networked to the Family router. > Family computer 2 is wirelessly networked to the Family router. > Family computers 1 and 2 have shared document folders that are mapped as > drive Z: to the other computer. So, one child could place a file in the > shared documents on Family computer 1 and a second child could access > that file by going to drive Z on Family computer 2 - and vice versa. > > Small and simple. > > What I thought might work is to move the printer into the Family > network, then give Brad access from his computer to both the Business > and Family networks. Would that work? > > Best, > T > > Tina Norris Fields > tinanfields at torchlake.com > 231-322-2787 > > On 9/4/2012 12:35 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: >> Is the printer one that is connected on a computer and therefore needsi >> pass-through capabilities, a wireless printer or a network printer? >> >> Jim >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris >> Fields >> Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2012 6:05 AM >> To: DatabaseAdvisors-Tech >> Subject: [dba-Tech] Network questions >> >> Hail, oh wise group! >> >> In my daughter and son-in-law's home, there are two networks. One is >> Brad's business network. The other is the family network. At present, >> there is one printer. It is in Brad's business network. He would like >> to make the printer available to the computers in the family network, >> but, of course, he doesn't want the kids to have access to his business >> network. I get to figure out the strategy and structure to use. >> >> Is there a neat way I can make this printer available to both networks? >> >> Thanks for your thoughts and help, >> T >> > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From accessd at shaw.ca Wed Sep 5 12:19:24 2012 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2012 10:19:24 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] The fate of IE In-Reply-To: <5047389C.4050600@torchlake.com> References: <5045FC77.8010300@torchlake.com><04DC8AA809C34EFE836213D462278F2C@creativesystemdesigns.com><50465034.3090703@torchlake.com><137A680CEA304198900AE51C7C89F2FA@creativesystemdesigns.com> <5047389C.4050600@torchlake.com> Message-ID: <5AC7B414025646D8839E2B2042694EF7@creativesystemdesigns.com> Microsoft's IE is still doing well in the percentage of use by users. After all, it comes automatically on every Windows computer and given many users laziness or just fear of trying anything new, may be the only thing that is saving it. What has changed is that it has finally become clear that most web developers have abandoned doing work on the browser. It has just become too expensive. According to the attached article, only about 16 percent of developers are now actively supporting the IE product line. If this trend continues, eventually, whether the basic Windows consumer wishes it or not, they will find themselves having to move to other browsers if they wish to enjoy any of the modern content delivery applications. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/09/04/internet_explorer/ For me as a web developer, either the re-developement of IE, to industry standards or IE's demise, couldn't happen soon enough. Jim From garykjos at gmail.com Wed Sep 5 13:55:39 2012 From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2012 13:55:39 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] The fate of IE In-Reply-To: <5AC7B414025646D8839E2B2042694EF7@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <5045FC77.8010300@torchlake.com> <04DC8AA809C34EFE836213D462278F2C@creativesystemdesigns.com> <50465034.3090703@torchlake.com> <137A680CEA304198900AE51C7C89F2FA@creativesystemdesigns.com> <5047389C.4050600@torchlake.com> <5AC7B414025646D8839E2B2042694EF7@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: I still find sites that don't work right unless I use IE. GK On Wed, Sep 5, 2012 at 12:19 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Microsoft's IE is still doing well in the percentage of use by users. > > After all, it comes automatically on every Windows computer and given many > users laziness or just fear of trying anything new, may be the only thing > that is saving it. > > What has changed is that it has finally become clear that most web > developers have abandoned doing work on the browser. It has just become too > expensive. According to the attached article, only about 16 percent of > developers are now actively supporting the IE product line. > > If this trend continues, eventually, whether the basic Windows consumer > wishes it or not, they will find themselves having to move to other > browsers > if they wish to enjoy any of the modern content delivery applications. > > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/09/04/internet_explorer/ > > For me as a web developer, either the re-developement of IE, to industry > standards or IE's demise, couldn't happen soon enough. > > Jim > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com From jon at tydda.plus.com Wed Sep 5 14:13:10 2012 From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda) Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2012 20:13:10 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] The fate of IE In-Reply-To: References: <5045FC77.8010300@torchlake.com> <04DC8AA809C34EFE836213D462278F2C@creativesystemdesigns.com> <50465034.3090703@torchlake.com> <137A680CEA304198900AE51C7C89F2FA@creativesystemdesigns.com> <5047389C.4050600@torchlake.com> <5AC7B414025646D8839E2B2042694EF7@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <002801cd8b9a$7e0ce090$7a26a1b0$@tydda.plus.com> Not designing for IE is a big mistake IMO. Many companies have bespoke applications that ONLY work in IE, therefore they don't allow other browsers to be used. My company is one such example. I've been looking into licencing at all the UK sites this week, so I happen to have the figures. We have approx. 1000 PCs. All bar one has IE8. Mine is the one with IE9 on it. We have 2 Chrome installations (both in the IT department), and 19 Firefox (there are 12 different versions of Firefox on those 19 computers!). Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos Sent: 05 September 2012 19:56 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] The fate of IE I still find sites that don't work right unless I use IE. GK On Wed, Sep 5, 2012 at 12:19 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Microsoft's IE is still doing well in the percentage of use by users. > > After all, it comes automatically on every Windows computer and given > many users laziness or just fear of trying anything new, may be the > only thing that is saving it. > > What has changed is that it has finally become clear that most web > developers have abandoned doing work on the browser. It has just > become too expensive. According to the attached article, only about 16 > percent of developers are now actively supporting the IE product line. > > If this trend continues, eventually, whether the basic Windows > consumer wishes it or not, they will find themselves having to move to > other browsers if they wish to enjoy any of the modern content > delivery applications. > > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/09/04/internet_explorer/ > > For me as a web developer, either the re-developement of IE, to > industry standards or IE's demise, couldn't happen soon enough. > > Jim > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From peter.brawley at earthlink.net Wed Sep 5 14:28:42 2012 From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley) Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2012 14:28:42 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] The fate of IE In-Reply-To: References: <5045FC77.8010300@torchlake.com> <04DC8AA809C34EFE836213D462278F2C@creativesystemdesigns.com> <50465034.3090703@torchlake.com> <137A680CEA304198900AE51C7C89F2FA@creativesystemdesigns.com> <5047389C.4050600@torchlake.com> <5AC7B414025646D8839E2B2042694EF7@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <5047A7EA.7040003@earthlink.net> On 2012-09-05 1:55 PM, Gary Kjos wrote: > I still find sites that don't work right unless I use IE. 'Cuz they're written for IE compatibility. Annoying ain't it? PB --- > > GK > > On Wed, Sep 5, 2012 at 12:19 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > >> Microsoft's IE is still doing well in the percentage of use by users. >> >> After all, it comes automatically on every Windows computer and given many >> users laziness or just fear of trying anything new, may be the only thing >> that is saving it. >> >> What has changed is that it has finally become clear that most web >> developers have abandoned doing work on the browser. It has just become too >> expensive. According to the attached article, only about 16 percent of >> developers are now actively supporting the IE product line. >> >> If this trend continues, eventually, whether the basic Windows consumer >> wishes it or not, they will find themselves having to move to other >> browsers >> if they wish to enjoy any of the modern content delivery applications. >> >> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/09/04/internet_explorer/ >> >> For me as a web developer, either the re-developement of IE, to industry >> standards or IE's demise, couldn't happen soon enough. >> >> Jim >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > > From garykjos at gmail.com Wed Sep 5 14:32:55 2012 From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2012 14:32:55 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] The fate of IE In-Reply-To: <5047A7EA.7040003@earthlink.net> References: <5045FC77.8010300@torchlake.com> <04DC8AA809C34EFE836213D462278F2C@creativesystemdesigns.com> <50465034.3090703@torchlake.com> <137A680CEA304198900AE51C7C89F2FA@creativesystemdesigns.com> <5047389C.4050600@torchlake.com> <5AC7B414025646D8839E2B2042694EF7@creativesystemdesigns.com> <5047A7EA.7040003@earthlink.net> Message-ID: I wish site designers would stop trying to dazzle me with all the wiz bang stuff when i'm only trying to order a book or a new fishing license or something else mundane. And stop putting a video playing or some moving graphic someplace on EVERY PAGE. GK On Wed, Sep 5, 2012 at 2:28 PM, Peter Brawley wrote: > On 2012-09-05 1:55 PM, Gary Kjos wrote: > >> I still find sites that don't work right unless I use IE. >> > > 'Cuz they're written for IE compatibility. Annoying ain't it? > > PB > > --- > > >> GK >> >> On Wed, Sep 5, 2012 at 12:19 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: >> >> Microsoft's IE is still doing well in the percentage of use by users. >>> >>> After all, it comes automatically on every Windows computer and given >>> many >>> users laziness or just fear of trying anything new, may be the only thing >>> that is saving it. >>> >>> What has changed is that it has finally become clear that most web >>> developers have abandoned doing work on the browser. It has just become >>> too >>> expensive. According to the attached article, only about 16 percent of >>> developers are now actively supporting the IE product line. >>> >>> If this trend continues, eventually, whether the basic Windows consumer >>> wishes it or not, they will find themselves having to move to other >>> browsers >>> if they wish to enjoy any of the modern content delivery applications. >>> >>> http://www.theregister.co.uk/**2012/09/04/internet_explorer/ >>> >>> For me as a web developer, either the re-developement of IE, to industry >>> standards or IE's demise, couldn't happen soon enough. >>> >>> Jim >>> >>> ______________________________**_________________ >>> dba-Tech mailing list >>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com >>> >>> >> >> > ______________________________**_________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com From john at winhaven.net Wed Sep 5 14:59:54 2012 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2012 14:59:54 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] The fate of IE In-Reply-To: References: <5045FC77.8010300@torchlake.com> <04DC8AA809C34EFE836213D462278F2C@creativesystemdesigns.com> <50465034.3090703@torchlake.com> <137A680CEA304198900AE51C7C89F2FA@creativesystemdesigns.com> <5047389C.4050600@torchlake.com> <5AC7B414025646D8839E2B2042694EF7@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <031101cd8ba1$04f31f10$0ed95d30$@winhaven.net> Ditto And I use IE because it doesn't cause the hassle of FF or GC when open my Team Viewer files. The ones require a couple of extra, annoying, clicks and no matter what settings I use they just won't stop annoying me with those. I use Firefox because it takes the wrapped hyperlinks and actually works whereas IE doesn't. Chrome just seems to always be a PITA depending on what I'm doing. I try Opera every now and again hoping it will be the answer but it always seems to be even more annoying. If IE would be forced to accommodate open standards all the more power or them! -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2012 1:56 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] The fate of IE I still find sites that don't work right unless I use IE. GK On Wed, Sep 5, 2012 at 12:19 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Microsoft's IE is still doing well in the percentage of use by users. > > After all, it comes automatically on every Windows computer and given > many users laziness or just fear of trying anything new, may be the > only thing that is saving it. > > What has changed is that it has finally become clear that most web > developers have abandoned doing work on the browser. It has just > become too expensive. According to the attached article, only about 16 > percent of developers are now actively supporting the IE product line. > > If this trend continues, eventually, whether the basic Windows > consumer wishes it or not, they will find themselves having to move to > other browsers if they wish to enjoy any of the modern content > delivery applications. > > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/09/04/internet_explorer/ > > For me as a web developer, either the re-developement of IE, to > industry standards or IE's demise, couldn't happen soon enough. > > Jim > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. 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Try Free scan http://www.spamfighter.com/SLOW-PCfighter?cid=sigen From john at winhaven.net Wed Sep 5 15:36:13 2012 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2012 15:36:13 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] The fate of IE In-Reply-To: References: <5045FC77.8010300@torchlake.com> <04DC8AA809C34EFE836213D462278F2C@creativesystemdesigns.com> <50465034.3090703@torchlake.com> <137A680CEA304198900AE51C7C89F2FA@creativesystemdesigns.com> <5047389C.4050600@torchlake.com> <5AC7B414025646D8839E2B2042694EF7@creativesystemdesigns.com> <5047A7EA.7040003@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <03e101cd8ba8$39a391c0$aceab540$@winhaven.net> Here here! -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2012 2:33 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] The fate of IE I wish site designers would stop trying to dazzle me with all the wiz bang stuff when i'm only trying to order a book or a new fishing license or something else mundane. And stop putting a video playing or some moving graphic someplace on EVERY PAGE. GK On Wed, Sep 5, 2012 at 2:28 PM, Peter Brawley wrote: > On 2012-09-05 1:55 PM, Gary Kjos wrote: > >> I still find sites that don't work right unless I use IE. >> > > 'Cuz they're written for IE compatibility. Annoying ain't it? > > PB > > --- > > >> GK >> >> On Wed, Sep 5, 2012 at 12:19 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: >> >> Microsoft's IE is still doing well in the percentage of use by users. >>> >>> After all, it comes automatically on every Windows computer and >>> given many users laziness or just fear of trying anything new, may >>> be the only thing that is saving it. >>> >>> What has changed is that it has finally become clear that most web >>> developers have abandoned doing work on the browser. It has just >>> become too expensive. According to the attached article, only about >>> 16 percent of developers are now actively supporting the IE product >>> line. >>> >>> If this trend continues, eventually, whether the basic Windows >>> consumer wishes it or not, they will find themselves having to move >>> to other browsers if they wish to enjoy any of the modern content >>> delivery applications. >>> >>> http://www.theregister.co.uk/**2012/09/04/internet_explorer/>> www.theregister.co.uk/2012/09/04/internet_explorer/> >>> >>> For me as a web developer, either the re-developement of IE, to >>> industry standards or IE's demise, couldn't happen soon enough. >>> >>> Jim >>> >>> ______________________________**_________________ >>> dba-Tech mailing list >>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/dba-tech>> aseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech> >>> Website: >>> http://www.databaseadvisors.**com >>> >>> >> >> > ______________________________**_________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/dba-tech eadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech> > Website: > http://www.databaseadvisors.**com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. SPAMfighter has removed 18755 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len Do you have a slow PC? Try Free scan http://www.spamfighter.com/SLOW-PCfighter?cid=sigen From peter.brawley at earthlink.net Wed Sep 5 16:07:02 2012 From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley) Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2012 16:07:02 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] The fate of IE In-Reply-To: <03e101cd8ba8$39a391c0$aceab540$@winhaven.net> References: <5045FC77.8010300@torchlake.com> <04DC8AA809C34EFE836213D462278F2C@creativesystemdesigns.com> <50465034.3090703@torchlake.com> <137A680CEA304198900AE51C7C89F2FA@creativesystemdesigns.com> <5047389C.4050600@torchlake.com> <5AC7B414025646D8839E2B2042694EF7@creativesystemdesigns.com> <5047A7EA.7040003@earthlink.net> <03e101cd8ba8$39a391c0$aceab540$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: <5047BEF6.9030605@earthlink.net> On 2012-09-05 3:36 PM, John Bartow wrote: > Here here! Hear, hear! ("in America they haven't used English for years", quoth 'enry 'iggins'). pb > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos > Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2012 2:33 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] The fate of IE > > I wish site designers would stop trying to dazzle me with all the wiz bang > stuff when i'm only trying to order a book or a new fishing license or > something else mundane. > > And stop putting a video playing or some moving graphic someplace on EVERY > PAGE. > > GK > > On Wed, Sep 5, 2012 at 2:28 PM, Peter Brawley > wrote: > >> On 2012-09-05 1:55 PM, Gary Kjos wrote: >> >>> I still find sites that don't work right unless I use IE. >>> >> 'Cuz they're written for IE compatibility. Annoying ain't it? >> >> PB >> >> --- >> >> >>> GK >>> >>> On Wed, Sep 5, 2012 at 12:19 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: >>> >>> Microsoft's IE is still doing well in the percentage of use by users. >>>> After all, it comes automatically on every Windows computer and >>>> given many users laziness or just fear of trying anything new, may >>>> be the only thing that is saving it. >>>> >>>> What has changed is that it has finally become clear that most web >>>> developers have abandoned doing work on the browser. It has just >>>> become too expensive. According to the attached article, only about >>>> 16 percent of developers are now actively supporting the IE product >>>> line. >>>> >>>> If this trend continues, eventually, whether the basic Windows >>>> consumer wishes it or not, they will find themselves having to move >>>> to other browsers if they wish to enjoy any of the modern content >>>> delivery applications. >>>> >>>> http://www.theregister.co.uk/**2012/09/04/internet_explorer/>>> www.theregister.co.uk/2012/09/04/internet_explorer/> >>>> >>>> For me as a web developer, either the re-developement of IE, to >>>> industry standards or IE's demise, couldn't happen soon enough. >>>> >>>> Jim >>>> >>>> ______________________________**_________________ >>>> dba-Tech mailing list >>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/dba-tech>>> aseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech> >>>> Website: >>>> http://www.databaseadvisors.**com >>>> >>>> >>> >> ______________________________**_________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/dba-tech> eadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech> >> Website: >> http://www.databaseadvisors.**com >> > > > -- > Gary Kjos > garykjos at gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. > SPAMfighter has removed 18755 of my spam emails to date. > Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len > > Do you have a slow PC? Try Free scan > http://www.spamfighter.com/SLOW-PCfighter?cid=sigen > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From tinanfields at torchlake.com Wed Sep 5 16:20:38 2012 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2012 17:20:38 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] The fate of IE In-Reply-To: References: <5045FC77.8010300@torchlake.com> <04DC8AA809C34EFE836213D462278F2C@creativesystemdesigns.com> <50465034.3090703@torchlake.com> <137A680CEA304198900AE51C7C89F2FA@creativesystemdesigns.com> <5047389C.4050600@torchlake.com> <5AC7B414025646D8839E2B2042694EF7@creativesystemdesigns.com> <5047A7EA.7040003@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <5047C226.4030901@torchlake.com> Dear Gary, A-M-E-N ! ! ! T Tina Norris Fields tinanfields at torchlake.com 231-322-2787 On 9/5/2012 3:32 PM, Gary Kjos wrote: > I wish site designers would stop trying to dazzle me with all the wiz bang > stuff when i'm only trying to order a book or a new fishing license or > something else mundane. > > And stop putting a video playing or some moving graphic someplace on EVERY > PAGE. > > GK > > On Wed, Sep 5, 2012 at 2:28 PM, Peter Brawley > wrote: > >> On 2012-09-05 1:55 PM, Gary Kjos wrote: >> >>> I still find sites that don't work right unless I use IE. >>> >> 'Cuz they're written for IE compatibility. Annoying ain't it? >> >> PB >> >> --- >> >> >>> GK >>> >>> On Wed, Sep 5, 2012 at 12:19 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: >>> >>> Microsoft's IE is still doing well in the percentage of use by users. >>>> After all, it comes automatically on every Windows computer and given >>>> many >>>> users laziness or just fear of trying anything new, may be the only thing >>>> that is saving it. >>>> >>>> What has changed is that it has finally become clear that most web >>>> developers have abandoned doing work on the browser. It has just become >>>> too >>>> expensive. According to the attached article, only about 16 percent of >>>> developers are now actively supporting the IE product line. >>>> >>>> If this trend continues, eventually, whether the basic Windows consumer >>>> wishes it or not, they will find themselves having to move to other >>>> browsers >>>> if they wish to enjoy any of the modern content delivery applications. >>>> >>>> http://www.theregister.co.uk/**2012/09/04/internet_explorer/ >>>> >>>> For me as a web developer, either the re-developement of IE, to industry >>>> standards or IE's demise, couldn't happen soon enough. >>>> >>>> Jim >>>> >>>> ______________________________**_________________ >>>> dba-Tech mailing list >>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com >>>> >>>> >>> >> ______________________________**_________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com >> > > From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Wed Sep 5 16:23:33 2012 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2012 07:23:33 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] The fate of IE In-Reply-To: References: <5045FC77.8010300@torchlake.com>, <5047A7EA.7040003@earthlink.net>, Message-ID: <5047C2D5.23842.43F4018B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Yep, we don't all live in places where you can get cheap, fast broadband. -- Stuart On 5 Sep 2012 at 14:32, Gary Kjos wrote: > I wish site designers would stop trying to dazzle me with all the wiz bang > stuff when i'm only trying to order a book or a new fishing license or > something else mundane. > > And stop putting a video playing or some moving graphic someplace on EVERY > PAGE. > > GK > > On Wed, Sep 5, 2012 at 2:28 PM, Peter Brawley > wrote: > > > On 2012-09-05 1:55 PM, Gary Kjos wrote: > > > >> I still find sites that don't work right unless I use IE. > >> > > > > 'Cuz they're written for IE compatibility. Annoying ain't it? > > > > PB > > > > --- > > > > > >> GK > >> > >> On Wed, Sep 5, 2012 at 12:19 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > >> > >> Microsoft's IE is still doing well in the percentage of use by users. > >>> > >>> After all, it comes automatically on every Windows computer and given > >>> many > >>> users laziness or just fear of trying anything new, may be the only thing > >>> that is saving it. > >>> > >>> What has changed is that it has finally become clear that most web > >>> developers have abandoned doing work on the browser. It has just become > >>> too > >>> expensive. According to the attached article, only about 16 percent of > >>> developers are now actively supporting the IE product line. > >>> > >>> If this trend continues, eventually, whether the basic Windows consumer > >>> wishes it or not, they will find themselves having to move to other > >>> browsers > >>> if they wish to enjoy any of the modern content delivery applications. > >>> > >>> http://www.theregister.co.uk/**2012/09/04/internet_explorer/ > >>> > >>> For me as a web developer, either the re-developement of IE, to industry > >>> standards or IE's demise, couldn't happen soon enough. > >>> > >>> Jim > >>> > >>> ______________________________**_________________ > >>> dba-Tech mailing list > >>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > > ______________________________**_________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com > > > > > > -- > Gary Kjos > garykjos at gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From accessd at shaw.ca Wed Sep 5 18:18:06 2012 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2012 16:18:06 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] The fate of IE In-Reply-To: References: <5045FC77.8010300@torchlake.com><04DC8AA809C34EFE836213D462278F2C@creativesystemdesigns.com><50465034.3090703@torchlake.com><137A680CEA304198900AE51C7C89F2FA@creativesystemdesigns.com><5047389C.4050600@torchlake.com><5AC7B414025646D8839E2B2042694EF7@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: That is the other side of the coin. I think that just maybe, we are seeing a split in the browser market and IE might just be going its separate way. Would that be a bad thing? Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2012 11:56 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] The fate of IE I still find sites that don't work right unless I use IE. GK On Wed, Sep 5, 2012 at 12:19 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Microsoft's IE is still doing well in the percentage of use by users. > > After all, it comes automatically on every Windows computer and given many > users laziness or just fear of trying anything new, may be the only thing > that is saving it. > > What has changed is that it has finally become clear that most web > developers have abandoned doing work on the browser. It has just become too > expensive. According to the attached article, only about 16 percent of > developers are now actively supporting the IE product line. > > If this trend continues, eventually, whether the basic Windows consumer > wishes it or not, they will find themselves having to move to other > browsers > if they wish to enjoy any of the modern content delivery applications. > > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/09/04/internet_explorer/ > > For me as a web developer, either the re-developement of IE, to industry > standards or IE's demise, couldn't happen soon enough. > > Jim > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Wed Sep 5 18:25:01 2012 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2012 16:25:01 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] The fate of IE In-Reply-To: <002801cd8b9a$7e0ce090$7a26a1b0$@tydda.plus.com> References: <5045FC77.8010300@torchlake.com> <04DC8AA809C34EFE836213D462278F2C@creativesystemdesigns.com> <50465034.3090703@torchlake.com> <137A680CEA304198900AE51C7C89F2FA@creativesystemdesigns.com> <5047389C.4050600@torchlake.com> <5AC7B414025646D8839E2B2042694EF7@creativesystemdesigns.com> <002801cd8b9a$7e0ce090$7a26a1b0$@tydda.plus.com> Message-ID: <50CFBF66AD304069A0A312315FF7E520@creativesystemdesigns.com> Maybe, just like a divorce, ugly though it may be, IE may just split completely from the industry's standards and go its separate way. Of course, who will look after the children? It sure will not be a nice scenario for the consumers but Microsoft, so far, has failed to innovate or standardize and their core supporters and designers have finally just had enough. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2012 12:13 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] The fate of IE Not designing for IE is a big mistake IMO. Many companies have bespoke applications that ONLY work in IE, therefore they don't allow other browsers to be used. My company is one such example. I've been looking into licencing at all the UK sites this week, so I happen to have the figures. We have approx. 1000 PCs. All bar one has IE8. Mine is the one with IE9 on it. We have 2 Chrome installations (both in the IT department), and 19 Firefox (there are 12 different versions of Firefox on those 19 computers!). Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos Sent: 05 September 2012 19:56 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] The fate of IE I still find sites that don't work right unless I use IE. GK On Wed, Sep 5, 2012 at 12:19 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Microsoft's IE is still doing well in the percentage of use by users. > > After all, it comes automatically on every Windows computer and given > many users laziness or just fear of trying anything new, may be the > only thing that is saving it. > > What has changed is that it has finally become clear that most web > developers have abandoned doing work on the browser. It has just > become too expensive. According to the attached article, only about 16 > percent of developers are now actively supporting the IE product line. > > If this trend continues, eventually, whether the basic Windows > consumer wishes it or not, they will find themselves having to move to > other browsers if they wish to enjoy any of the modern content > delivery applications. > > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/09/04/internet_explorer/ > > For me as a web developer, either the re-developement of IE, to > industry standards or IE's demise, couldn't happen soon enough. > > Jim > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Wed Sep 5 18:28:30 2012 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2012 16:28:30 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] The fate of IE In-Reply-To: References: <5045FC77.8010300@torchlake.com><04DC8AA809C34EFE836213D462278F2C@creativesystemdesigns.com><50465034.3090703@torchlake.com><137A680CEA304198900AE51C7C89F2FA@creativesystemdesigns.com><5047389C.4050600@torchlake.com><5AC7B414025646D8839E2B2042694EF7@creativesystemdesigns.com><5047A7EA.7040003@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <209C3FE75EE94469975D380BE87E9877@creativesystemdesigns.com> I wish the consumers would stop expecting me to dazzle them with all the wiz bang stuff when they only need to order a book or a new fishing license or something else mundane. And if they would stop expecting a video playing or some moving graphic someplace on EVERY PAGE. ;-) Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2012 12:33 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] The fate of IE I wish site designers would stop trying to dazzle me with all the wiz bang stuff when i'm only trying to order a book or a new fishing license or something else mundane. And stop putting a video playing or some moving graphic someplace on EVERY PAGE. GK On Wed, Sep 5, 2012 at 2:28 PM, Peter Brawley wrote: > On 2012-09-05 1:55 PM, Gary Kjos wrote: > >> I still find sites that don't work right unless I use IE. >> > > 'Cuz they're written for IE compatibility. Annoying ain't it? > > PB > > --- > > >> GK >> >> On Wed, Sep 5, 2012 at 12:19 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: >> >> Microsoft's IE is still doing well in the percentage of use by users. >>> >>> After all, it comes automatically on every Windows computer and given >>> many >>> users laziness or just fear of trying anything new, may be the only thing >>> that is saving it. >>> >>> What has changed is that it has finally become clear that most web >>> developers have abandoned doing work on the browser. It has just become >>> too >>> expensive. According to the attached article, only about 16 percent of >>> developers are now actively supporting the IE product line. >>> >>> If this trend continues, eventually, whether the basic Windows consumer >>> wishes it or not, they will find themselves having to move to other >>> browsers >>> if they wish to enjoy any of the modern content delivery applications. >>> >>> http://www.theregister.co.uk/**2012/09/04/internet_explorer/ >>> >>> For me as a web developer, either the re-developement of IE, to industry >>> standards or IE's demise, couldn't happen soon enough. >>> >>> Jim >>> >>> ______________________________**_________________ >>> dba-Tech mailing list >>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com >>> >>> >> >> > ______________________________**_________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Wed Sep 5 18:47:28 2012 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2012 16:47:28 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] The fate of IE In-Reply-To: <031101cd8ba1$04f31f10$0ed95d30$@winhaven.net> References: <5045FC77.8010300@torchlake.com> <04DC8AA809C34EFE836213D462278F2C@creativesystemdesigns.com> <50465034.3090703@torchlake.com> <137A680CEA304198900AE51C7C89F2FA@creativesystemdesigns.com> <5047389C.4050600@torchlake.com> <5AC7B414025646D8839E2B2042694EF7@creativesystemdesigns.com> <031101cd8ba1$04f31f10$0ed95d30$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: If the consumer would quit complaining about the cost of a week or two of work required to make IE function then no one else would have any complaint. Example: three lines of code, counting the opening and closing tags to insert any streaming video or audio clip, on a web page. On many versions of IE, inserting an unstable flash object, and all the code associated, is the only alternate solution... (Silverlight is only possible if you are hosting on a MS server with that capability) or a Google plug-in and the solution is only truly reliable outside the cell phone and tablet market. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2012 1:00 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] The fate of IE Ditto And I use IE because it doesn't cause the hassle of FF or GC when open my Team Viewer files. The ones require a couple of extra, annoying, clicks and no matter what settings I use they just won't stop annoying me with those. I use Firefox because it takes the wrapped hyperlinks and actually works whereas IE doesn't. Chrome just seems to always be a PITA depending on what I'm doing. I try Opera every now and again hoping it will be the answer but it always seems to be even more annoying. If IE would be forced to accommodate open standards all the more power or them! -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2012 1:56 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] The fate of IE I still find sites that don't work right unless I use IE. GK On Wed, Sep 5, 2012 at 12:19 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Microsoft's IE is still doing well in the percentage of use by users. > > After all, it comes automatically on every Windows computer and given > many users laziness or just fear of trying anything new, may be the > only thing that is saving it. > > What has changed is that it has finally become clear that most web > developers have abandoned doing work on the browser. It has just > become too expensive. According to the attached article, only about 16 > percent of developers are now actively supporting the IE product line. > > If this trend continues, eventually, whether the basic Windows > consumer wishes it or not, they will find themselves having to move to > other browsers if they wish to enjoy any of the modern content > delivery applications. > > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/09/04/internet_explorer/ > > For me as a web developer, either the re-developement of IE, to > industry standards or IE's demise, couldn't happen soon enough. > > Jim > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. SPAMfighter has removed 18755 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len Do you have a slow PC? Try Free scan http://www.spamfighter.com/SLOW-PCfighter?cid=sigen _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From john at winhaven.net Wed Sep 5 22:01:05 2012 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2012 22:01:05 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] The fate of IE In-Reply-To: <5047BEF6.9030605@earthlink.net> References: <5045FC77.8010300@torchlake.com> <04DC8AA809C34EFE836213D462278F2C@creativesystemdesigns.com> <50465034.3090703@torchlake.com> <137A680CEA304198900AE51C7C89F2FA@creativesystemdesigns.com> <5047389C.4050600@torchlake.com> <5AC7B414025646D8839E2B2042694EF7@creativesystemdesigns.com> <5047A7EA.7040003@earthlink.net> <03e101cd8ba8$39a391c0$aceab540$@winhaven.net> <5047BEF6.9030605@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <049f01cd8bdb$db9312c0$92b93840$@winhaven.net> Lol Spelling nazis everywhere! -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Peter Brawley Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2012 4:07 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] The fate of IE On 2012-09-05 3:36 PM, John Bartow wrote: > Here here! Hear, hear! ("in America they haven't used English for years", quoth 'enry 'iggins'). pb > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos > Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2012 2:33 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] The fate of IE > > I wish site designers would stop trying to dazzle me with all the wiz > bang stuff when i'm only trying to order a book or a new fishing > license or something else mundane. > > And stop putting a video playing or some moving graphic someplace on > EVERY PAGE. > > GK > > On Wed, Sep 5, 2012 at 2:28 PM, Peter Brawley > wrote: > >> On 2012-09-05 1:55 PM, Gary Kjos wrote: >> >>> I still find sites that don't work right unless I use IE. >>> >> 'Cuz they're written for IE compatibility. Annoying ain't it? >> >> PB >> >> --- >> >> >>> GK >>> >>> On Wed, Sep 5, 2012 at 12:19 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: >>> >>> Microsoft's IE is still doing well in the percentage of use by users. >>>> After all, it comes automatically on every Windows computer and >>>> given many users laziness or just fear of trying anything new, may >>>> be the only thing that is saving it. >>>> >>>> What has changed is that it has finally become clear that most web >>>> developers have abandoned doing work on the browser. It has just >>>> become too expensive. According to the attached article, only about >>>> 16 percent of developers are now actively supporting the IE product >>>> line. >>>> >>>> If this trend continues, eventually, whether the basic Windows >>>> consumer wishes it or not, they will find themselves having to move >>>> to other browsers if they wish to enjoy any of the modern content >>>> delivery applications. >>>> >>>> http://www.theregister.co.uk/**2012/09/04/internet_explorer/>>> / www.theregister.co.uk/2012/09/04/internet_explorer/> >>>> >>>> For me as a web developer, either the re-developement of IE, to >>>> industry standards or IE's demise, couldn't happen soon enough. >>>> >>>> Jim >>>> >>>> ______________________________**_________________ >>>> dba-Tech mailing list >>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/dba-tech>>> b aseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech> >>>> Website: >>>> http://www.databaseadvisors.**com >>>> >>>> >>> >> ______________________________**_________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/dba-tech> s eadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech> >> Website: >> http://www.databaseadvisors.**com >> > > > -- > Gary Kjos > garykjos at gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. > SPAMfighter has removed 18755 of my spam emails to date. > Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len > > Do you have a slow PC? 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Try Free scan http://www.spamfighter.com/SLOW-PCfighter?cid=sigen From john at winhaven.net Wed Sep 5 23:01:22 2012 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2012 23:01:22 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] The fate of IE In-Reply-To: <5047C2D5.23842.43F4018B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <5045FC77.8010300@torchlake.com>, <5047A7EA.7040003@earthlink.net>, <5047C2D5.23842.43F4018B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <04af01cd8be4$479872f0$d6c958d0$@winhaven.net> Nor do some of care to see it if we do have fast broadband. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2012 4:24 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] The fate of IE Yep, we don't all live in places where you can get cheap, fast broadband. -- Stuart On 5 Sep 2012 at 14:32, Gary Kjos wrote: > I wish site designers would stop trying to dazzle me with all the wiz > bang stuff when i'm only trying to order a book or a new fishing > license or something else mundane. > > And stop putting a video playing or some moving graphic someplace on > EVERY PAGE. > > GK > > On Wed, Sep 5, 2012 at 2:28 PM, Peter Brawley > wrote: > > > On 2012-09-05 1:55 PM, Gary Kjos wrote: > > > >> I still find sites that don't work right unless I use IE. > >> > > > > 'Cuz they're written for IE compatibility. Annoying ain't it? > > > > PB > > > > --- > > > > > >> GK > >> > >> On Wed, Sep 5, 2012 at 12:19 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > >> > >> Microsoft's IE is still doing well in the percentage of use by users. > >>> > >>> After all, it comes automatically on every Windows computer and > >>> given many users laziness or just fear of trying anything new, may > >>> be the only thing that is saving it. > >>> > >>> What has changed is that it has finally become clear that most web > >>> developers have abandoned doing work on the browser. It has just > >>> become too expensive. According to the attached article, only > >>> about 16 percent of developers are now actively supporting the IE > >>> product line. > >>> > >>> If this trend continues, eventually, whether the basic Windows > >>> consumer wishes it or not, they will find themselves having to > >>> move to other browsers if they wish to enjoy any of the modern > >>> content delivery applications. > >>> > >>> http://www.theregister.co.uk/**2012/09/04/internet_explorer/ >>> //www.theregister.co.uk/2012/09/04/internet_explorer/> > >>> > >>> For me as a web developer, either the re-developement of IE, to > >>> industry standards or IE's demise, couldn't happen soon enough. > >>> > >>> Jim > >>> > >>> ______________________________**_________________ > >>> dba-Tech mailing list > >>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>> abaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech> > >>> Website: > >>> http://www.databaseadvisors.**com > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > > ______________________________**_________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > aseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech> > > Website: > > http://www.databaseadvisors.**com > > > > > > -- > Gary Kjos > garykjos at gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. SPAMfighter has removed 18755 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len Do you have a slow PC? Try Free scan http://www.spamfighter.com/SLOW-PCfighter?cid=sigen From hans.andersen at phulse.com Thu Sep 6 12:51:52 2012 From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen) Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2012 10:51:52 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] The fate of IE In-Reply-To: <002801cd8b9a$7e0ce090$7a26a1b0$@tydda.plus.com> References: <5045FC77.8010300@torchlake.com> <04DC8AA809C34EFE836213D462278F2C@creativesystemdesigns.com> <50465034.3090703@torchlake.com> <137A680CEA304198900AE51C7C89F2FA@creativesystemdesigns.com> <5047389C.4050600@torchlake.com> <5AC7B414025646D8839E2B2042694EF7@creativesystemdesigns.com> <002801cd8b9a$7e0ce090$7a26a1b0$@tydda.plus.com> Message-ID: I haven't personally used IE for 6-7 years roughly and I don't know anyone else who does (for the last 3 companies I've worked at). The current place I work at (a web company), we design our web apps primarily around Chrome and Firefox and then fix it to work with IE afterwards. Why? Because they have far better tools for developers to work with (webkit inspector and firebug) and they conform more to standards than IE. I don't see much hope for IE in the future - just a slow decline. Most companies develop their web apps with an eye on mobile and mobile is currently dominated by browsers based on the webkit engine (chrome and safari). IE is more a nuisance than anything else. It's unfortunate to be stuck in the position of having to use IE because of a throwback to an era when a poor decision was made to only support IE (I can think of one I worked for a long time ago that betted heavily on ActiveX. LOL!), but its a changing landscape and you have to keep up with the times or get left behind. Microsoft should follow the same model as everyone else is doing with rolling releases of their browsers rather than big releases (IE 6, 7, 8, 9, etc). Personally, I would prefer it if Microsoft got rid of their own trident engine altogether and adopt Webkit. I just don't see the point of them having to do it their own way. I don't know if it's pride or ego or whatnot, but it's an inconvenience for us web developers. - Hans On 2012-09-05, at 12:13 PM, "Jon Tydda" wrote: > Not designing for IE is a big mistake IMO. Many companies have bespoke > applications that ONLY work in IE, therefore they don't allow other browsers > to be used. > > My company is one such example. I've been looking into licencing at all the > UK sites this week, so I happen to have the figures. We have approx. 1000 > PCs. All bar one has IE8. Mine is the one with IE9 on it. We have 2 Chrome > installations (both in the IT department), and 19 Firefox (there are 12 > different versions of Firefox on those 19 computers!). > > > Jon > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos > Sent: 05 September 2012 19:56 > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] The fate of IE > > I still find sites that don't work right unless I use IE. > > GK > > On Wed, Sep 5, 2012 at 12:19 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > >> Microsoft's IE is still doing well in the percentage of use by users. >> >> After all, it comes automatically on every Windows computer and given >> many users laziness or just fear of trying anything new, may be the >> only thing that is saving it. >> >> What has changed is that it has finally become clear that most web >> developers have abandoned doing work on the browser. It has just >> become too expensive. According to the attached article, only about 16 >> percent of developers are now actively supporting the IE product line. >> >> If this trend continues, eventually, whether the basic Windows >> consumer wishes it or not, they will find themselves having to move to >> other browsers if they wish to enjoy any of the modern content >> delivery applications. >> >> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/09/04/internet_explorer/ >> >> For me as a web developer, either the re-developement of IE, to >> industry standards or IE's demise, couldn't happen soon enough. >> >> Jim >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > > > > -- > Gary Kjos > garykjos at gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk Thu Sep 6 13:42:57 2012 From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid) Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2012 19:42:57 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] The fate of IE Message-ID: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB082958E50572C6D@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk> We have 5000 plus all using IE. Personally I don't see what the fuss is. Sites I need work in IE, FF chrome and google I don't really care what the browser is. As for mobile who in their right mind wants to do anything on a tiny screen just like the one I am typing this on. Martin Sent from my Windows Phone ________________________________ From: Hans-Christian Andersen Sent: 06/09/2012 18:52 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] The fate of IE I haven't personally used IE for 6-7 years roughly and I don't know anyone else who does (for the last 3 companies I've worked at). The current place I work at (a web company), we design our web apps primarily around Chrome and Firefox and then fix it to work with IE afterwards. Why? Because they have far better tools for developers to work with (webkit inspector and firebug) and they conform more to standards than IE. I don't see much hope for IE in the future - just a slow decline. Most companies develop their web apps with an eye on mobile and mobile is currently dominated by browsers based on the webkit engine (chrome and safari). IE is more a nuisance than anything else. It's unfortunate to be stuck in the position of having to use IE because of a throwback to an era when a poor decision was made to only support IE (I can think of one I worked for a long time ago that betted heavily on ActiveX. LOL!), but its a changing landscape and you have to keep up with the times or get left behind. Microsoft should follow the same model as everyone else is doing with rolling releases of their browsers rather than big releases (IE 6, 7, 8, 9, etc). Personally, I would prefer it if Microsoft got rid of their own trident engine altogether and adopt Webkit. I just don't see the point of them having to do it their own way. I don't know if it's pride or ego or whatnot, but it's an inconvenience for us web developers. - Hans On 2012-09-05, at 12:13 PM, "Jon Tydda" wrote: > Not designing for IE is a big mistake IMO. Many companies have bespoke > applications that ONLY work in IE, therefore they don't allow other browsers > to be used. > > My company is one such example. I've been looking into licencing at all the > UK sites this week, so I happen to have the figures. We have approx. 1000 > PCs. All bar one has IE8. Mine is the one with IE9 on it. We have 2 Chrome > installations (both in the IT department), and 19 Firefox (there are 12 > different versions of Firefox on those 19 computers!). > > > Jon > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos > Sent: 05 September 2012 19:56 > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] The fate of IE > > I still find sites that don't work right unless I use IE. > > GK > > On Wed, Sep 5, 2012 at 12:19 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > >> Microsoft's IE is still doing well in the percentage of use by users. >> >> After all, it comes automatically on every Windows computer and given >> many users laziness or just fear of trying anything new, may be the >> only thing that is saving it. >> >> What has changed is that it has finally become clear that most web >> developers have abandoned doing work on the browser. It has just >> become too expensive. According to the attached article, only about 16 >> percent of developers are now actively supporting the IE product line. >> >> If this trend continues, eventually, whether the basic Windows >> consumer wishes it or not, they will find themselves having to move to >> other browsers if they wish to enjoy any of the modern content >> delivery applications. >> >> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/09/04/internet_explorer/ >> >> For me as a web developer, either the re-developement of IE, to >> industry standards or IE's demise, couldn't happen soon enough. >> >> Jim >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > > > > -- > Gary Kjos > garykjos at gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Thu Sep 6 14:58:46 2012 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2012 12:58:46 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] The fate of IE In-Reply-To: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB082958E50572C6D@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk> References: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB082958E50572C6D@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk> Message-ID: <3F2E11FE32F7428686EEC47E3F23A641@creativesystemdesigns.com> I do not care either, all I want is that a particular browser to work. I want a browser that is innovative and works for both the consumer and the developer. The new browsers provide a lot of functionality on the desktop so the system is not having to always run back to the server for more code. Not everyone has high speed internet and why shouldn't they have equal access to functionality and presentation capabilities? New browsers provide development and functionality not just provide access to complex coding but also makes the coding easy, fast to design and subsequently inexpensive for the consumer. I know you (and all of us) have spent a lot of investment in time and effort to learn to use and of course we have to defend what we have invested in. You have no choice but to fully support IE because you are in an insulated Microsoft shop...probably close to a hundred percent, I would guess. I have had the luxury of being able to work in all environments so I have been able to compare and pick and choose. I am not saying IE is a bad browser, in fact it is a very good browser. OTOH, IE just has not innovated as fast (it is also slow running in comparison) or kept up the to industries standards. Why?...I have no idea. Maybe you can enlighten me? I do not count IE out; where there is life there is still hope but I do not prescribe to philosophy, what is good for Microsoft is good for everyone. The company needs a real good kick in the ass to get them going and them losing virtually all of their browser developers might just be the kick they need. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Martin Reid Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2012 11:43 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] The fate of IE We have 5000 plus all using IE. Personally I don't see what the fuss is. Sites I need work in IE, FF chrome and google I don't really care what the browser is. As for mobile who in their right mind wants to do anything on a tiny screen just like the one I am typing this on. Martin Sent from my Windows Phone ________________________________ From: Hans-Christian Andersen Sent: 06/09/2012 18:52 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] The fate of IE I haven't personally used IE for 6-7 years roughly and I don't know anyone else who does (for the last 3 companies I've worked at). The current place I work at (a web company), we design our web apps primarily around Chrome and Firefox and then fix it to work with IE afterwards. Why? Because they have far better tools for developers to work with (webkit inspector and firebug) and they conform more to standards than IE. I don't see much hope for IE in the future - just a slow decline. Most companies develop their web apps with an eye on mobile and mobile is currently dominated by browsers based on the webkit engine (chrome and safari). IE is more a nuisance than anything else. It's unfortunate to be stuck in the position of having to use IE because of a throwback to an era when a poor decision was made to only support IE (I can think of one I worked for a long time ago that betted heavily on ActiveX. LOL!), but its a changing landscape and you have to keep up with the times or get left behind. Microsoft should follow the same model as everyone else is doing with rolling releases of their browsers rather than big releases (IE 6, 7, 8, 9, etc). Personally, I would prefer it if Microsoft got rid of their own trident engine altogether and adopt Webkit. I just don't see the point of them having to do it their own way. I don't know if it's pride or ego or whatnot, but it's an inconvenience for us web developers. - Hans On 2012-09-05, at 12:13 PM, "Jon Tydda" wrote: > Not designing for IE is a big mistake IMO. Many companies have bespoke > applications that ONLY work in IE, therefore they don't allow other browsers > to be used. > > My company is one such example. I've been looking into licencing at all the > UK sites this week, so I happen to have the figures. We have approx. 1000 > PCs. All bar one has IE8. Mine is the one with IE9 on it. We have 2 Chrome > installations (both in the IT department), and 19 Firefox (there are 12 > different versions of Firefox on those 19 computers!). > > > Jon > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos > Sent: 05 September 2012 19:56 > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] The fate of IE > > I still find sites that don't work right unless I use IE. > > GK > > On Wed, Sep 5, 2012 at 12:19 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > >> Microsoft's IE is still doing well in the percentage of use by users. >> >> After all, it comes automatically on every Windows computer and given >> many users laziness or just fear of trying anything new, may be the >> only thing that is saving it. >> >> What has changed is that it has finally become clear that most web >> developers have abandoned doing work on the browser. It has just >> become too expensive. According to the attached article, only about 16 >> percent of developers are now actively supporting the IE product line. >> >> If this trend continues, eventually, whether the basic Windows >> consumer wishes it or not, they will find themselves having to move to >> other browsers if they wish to enjoy any of the modern content >> delivery applications. >> >> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/09/04/internet_explorer/ >> >> For me as a web developer, either the re-developement of IE, to >> industry standards or IE's demise, couldn't happen soon enough. >> >> Jim >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > > > > -- > Gary Kjos > garykjos at gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From hans.andersen at phulse.com Thu Sep 6 18:08:55 2012 From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen) Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2012 16:08:55 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] The fate of IE In-Reply-To: <3F2E11FE32F7428686EEC47E3F23A641@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB082958E50572C6D@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk> <3F2E11FE32F7428686EEC47E3F23A641@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <5ACD8E74-21C6-4C9B-A632-42902AB138D3@phulse.com> That's why I am suggesting that MS scrap their proprietary trident engine and use what chrome and safari uses. It's just an engine that works behind the scene rendering HTML CSS etc. it's no big deal. And then Microsoft can focus on making a great UI/front end and cool features. It will still be their product branded as IE at the end of the day and they lose nothing other than bragging rights. Also it would be a huge benefit to everyone as Microsoft could then pool their resources into helping improve webkit. The only issue would be support for these IE only sites, but they could release a version of IE called IE Classic and only maintain it for security fixes. - Hans On 2012-09-06, at 12:58 PM, "Jim Lawrence" wrote: > I do not care either, all I want is that a particular browser to work. > > I want a browser that is innovative and works for both the consumer and the > developer. The new browsers provide a lot of functionality on the desktop so > the system is not having to always run back to the server for more code. Not > everyone has high speed internet and why shouldn't they have equal access to > functionality and presentation capabilities? New browsers provide > development and functionality not just provide access to complex coding but > also makes the coding easy, fast to design and subsequently inexpensive for > the consumer. > > I know you (and all of us) have spent a lot of investment in time and effort > to learn to use and of course we have to defend what we have invested in. > You have no choice but to fully support IE because you are in an insulated > Microsoft shop...probably close to a hundred percent, I would guess. > > I have had the luxury of being able to work in all environments so I have > been able to compare and pick and choose. > > I am not saying IE is a bad browser, in fact it is a very good browser. > OTOH, IE just has not innovated as fast (it is also slow running in > comparison) or kept up the to industries standards. Why?...I have no idea. > Maybe you can enlighten me? > > I do not count IE out; where there is life there is still hope but I do not > prescribe to philosophy, what is good for Microsoft is good for everyone. > The company needs a real good kick in the ass to get them going and them > losing virtually all of their browser developers might just be the kick they > need. > > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Martin Reid > Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2012 11:43 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] The fate of IE > > We have 5000 plus all using IE. Personally I don't see what the fuss is. > Sites I need work in IE, FF chrome and google > > I don't really care what the browser is. As for mobile who in their right > mind wants to do anything on a tiny screen just like the one I am typing > this on. > > Martin > > > Sent from my Windows Phone > ________________________________ > From: Hans-Christian Andersen > Sent: 06/09/2012 18:52 > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] The fate of IE > > I haven't personally used IE for 6-7 years roughly and I don't know anyone > else who does (for the last 3 companies I've worked at). The current place I > work at (a web company), we design our web apps primarily around Chrome and > Firefox and then fix it to work with IE afterwards. Why? Because they have > far better tools for developers to work with (webkit inspector and firebug) > and they conform more to standards than IE. > > I don't see much hope for IE in the future - just a slow decline. Most > companies develop their web apps with an eye on mobile and mobile is > currently dominated by browsers based on the webkit engine (chrome and > safari). IE is more a nuisance than anything else. > > It's unfortunate to be stuck in the position of having to use IE because of > a throwback to an era when a poor decision was made to only support IE (I > can think of one I worked for a long time ago that betted heavily on > ActiveX. LOL!), but its a changing landscape and you have to keep up with > the times or get left behind. Microsoft should follow the same model as > everyone else is doing with rolling releases of their browsers rather than > big releases (IE 6, 7, 8, 9, etc). > > Personally, I would prefer it if Microsoft got rid of their own trident > engine altogether and adopt Webkit. I just don't see the point of them > having to do it their own way. I don't know if it's pride or ego or whatnot, > but it's an inconvenience for us web developers. > > - Hans > > > On 2012-09-05, at 12:13 PM, "Jon Tydda" wrote: > >> Not designing for IE is a big mistake IMO. Many companies have bespoke >> applications that ONLY work in IE, therefore they don't allow other > browsers >> to be used. >> >> My company is one such example. I've been looking into licencing at all > the >> UK sites this week, so I happen to have the figures. We have approx. 1000 >> PCs. All bar one has IE8. Mine is the one with IE9 on it. We have 2 Chrome >> installations (both in the IT department), and 19 Firefox (there are 12 >> different versions of Firefox on those 19 computers!). >> >> >> Jon >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos >> Sent: 05 September 2012 19:56 >> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues >> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] The fate of IE >> >> I still find sites that don't work right unless I use IE. >> >> GK >> >> On Wed, Sep 5, 2012 at 12:19 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: >> >>> Microsoft's IE is still doing well in the percentage of use by users. >>> >>> After all, it comes automatically on every Windows computer and given >>> many users laziness or just fear of trying anything new, may be the >>> only thing that is saving it. >>> >>> What has changed is that it has finally become clear that most web >>> developers have abandoned doing work on the browser. It has just >>> become too expensive. According to the attached article, only about 16 >>> percent of developers are now actively supporting the IE product line. >>> >>> If this trend continues, eventually, whether the basic Windows >>> consumer wishes it or not, they will find themselves having to move to >>> other browsers if they wish to enjoy any of the modern content >>> delivery applications. >>> >>> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/09/04/internet_explorer/ >>> >>> For me as a web developer, either the re-developement of IE, to >>> industry standards or IE's demise, couldn't happen soon enough. >>> >>> Jim >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> dba-Tech mailing list >>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Gary Kjos >> garykjos at gmail.com >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From carbonnb at gmail.com Fri Sep 7 07:54:50 2012 From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell) Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2012 08:54:50 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Backup Solution for Windows Message-ID: Hi All, I am looking for reccomendations on backup software for windows XP that works very similar to Time Machine on the Mac. I just lost a 1/2 TB drive on my MacBook Pro and with my Time Machine backup, I'm fairly confident my data is going to be fully recoverable once I get the hardware back from Apple. I would like that peace of mind wiht my XP laptop as well. Basically I want it to be set and forget with full and incremental backups. I think the Time machine backup was full monthly and incremental daily to an external firewire drive. Any recommendations would be greatly appreciated. Oh and I should add that a cloud solution will not work. IT and the IT security team would have a fit. -- Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "What a great ride!" From df.waters at comcast.net Fri Sep 7 08:19:07 2012 From: df.waters at comcast.net (Dan Waters) Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2012 08:19:07 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Backup Solution for Windows In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <002001cd8cfb$5c83bdb0$158b3910$@comcast.net> Hi Bryan, I use Norton Ghost 15, and two external hard drives. Ghost has a variety of settings. I use a full weekly backup and daily incrementals. My PC turns itself on at 5:00 AM and Norton starts running at 5:05 AM. I use two hard drives because my entire business is on my PC. I swap out the external hard drives every two weeks, and put the one not being used into a fire-resistant safe in the basement. Restoring a file is cake. Open the backup drive, select the backup file for the day you want, drill down through the folder hierarchy, right=click the file and select Recover, change the recovery path if needed, then push Recover. Norton Ghost is $18 at Amazon. Good Luck! Dan -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bryan Carbonnell Sent: Friday, September 07, 2012 7:55 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Backup Solution for Windows Hi All, I am looking for reccomendations on backup software for windows XP that works very similar to Time Machine on the Mac. I just lost a 1/2 TB drive on my MacBook Pro and with my Time Machine backup, I'm fairly confident my data is going to be fully recoverable once I get the hardware back from Apple. I would like that peace of mind wiht my XP laptop as well. Basically I want it to be set and forget with full and incremental backups. I think the Time machine backup was full monthly and incremental daily to an external firewire drive. Any recommendations would be greatly appreciated. Oh and I should add that a cloud solution will not work. IT and the IT security team would have a fit. -- Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "What a great ride!" _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Fri Sep 7 08:57:47 2012 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2012 09:57:47 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Backup Solution for Windows In-Reply-To: <002001cd8cfb$5c83bdb0$158b3910$@comcast.net> References: <002001cd8cfb$5c83bdb0$158b3910$@comcast.net> Message-ID: Bryan, A few months back I bought a USB 3.0 1TB drive for $99 CDN, and from then on I have done nightly backups of the stuff that can be expected to change daily, plus weekly backups of everything. I simply used the scheduler to describe the backup procedure, and from then on, no worries! A. -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bryan > Carbonnell > Sent: Friday, September 07, 2012 7:55 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: [dba-Tech] Backup Solution for Windows > > Hi All, > > I am looking for reccomendations on backup software for windows XP that > works very similar to Time Machine on the Mac. > > I just lost a 1/2 TB drive on my MacBook Pro and with my Time Machine > backup, I'm fairly confident my data is going to be fully recoverable once > I > get the hardware back from Apple. > > I would like that peace of mind wiht my XP laptop as well. > > Basically I want it to be set and forget with full and incremental backups. > I think the Time machine backup was full monthly and incremental daily to > an > external firewire drive. > > Any recommendations would be greatly appreciated. Oh and I should add that > a > cloud solution will not work. IT and the IT security team would have a fit. > > From john at winhaven.net Fri Sep 7 11:21:57 2012 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2012 11:21:57 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Backup Solution for Windows In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <016501cd8d14$e759d960$b60d8c20$@winhaven.net> If you're looking to have it stored on NAS or an external drive pretty much every device comes with a backup solution that does just that. Non-stop backups. Seagate bundles Acronis with their NAS. I use Windows Home Server strictly for non-stop backups which includes support for Time Machine. Because I'm paranoid, I also run Acronis True Image 2013 on my main machine. It includes the aforementioned non-stop backup capabilities plus full imaging, partition BU, file BU, email BU, online BU, disk/folder/file synchronization, cloning, rescue media builder, bootable media creation, disk mgt., try & decide safe zones, drive cleanser (wipes disks), and WinPE ISO builder. The Swiss Army Knife of their products - I use it because I do all of those tasks as part of my business operations. You can also get a more targeted package or a business environment oriented package that supports things like networked imaging, exchange SQL Server, etc. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bryan Carbonnell Sent: Friday, September 07, 2012 7:55 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Backup Solution for Windows Hi All, I am looking for reccomendations on backup software for windows XP that works very similar to Time Machine on the Mac. I just lost a 1/2 TB drive on my MacBook Pro and with my Time Machine backup, I'm fairly confident my data is going to be fully recoverable once I get the hardware back from Apple. I would like that peace of mind wiht my XP laptop as well. Basically I want it to be set and forget with full and incremental backups. I think the Time machine backup was full monthly and incremental daily to an external firewire drive. Any recommendations would be greatly appreciated. Oh and I should add that a cloud solution will not work. IT and the IT security team would have a fit. -- Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "What a great ride!" _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. SPAMfighter has removed 18911 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len Do you have a slow PC? Try Free scan http://www.spamfighter.com/SLOW-PCfighter?cid=sigen From accessd at shaw.ca Fri Sep 7 11:47:44 2012 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2012 09:47:44 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Backup Solution for Windows In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <11E1ED7769714924A936B65E77245758@creativesystemdesigns.com> Hi Bryan: I do not know much about the Mac backup applications. The only one I have heard of is Time-Machine. For PC backups there is SyncBack: http://www.2brightsparks.com/syncback/index.html Then there is a variety of cloning tools. Here is a list from TechRepublic: http://www.techrepublic.com/photos/five-free-disk-cloning-apps/6379756?tag=n l.e101 Of course if you are connected to the web you can always use Dropbox with 16-18 GB of free space and Microsoft's Skydive with 25GB of space. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bryan Carbonnell Sent: Friday, September 07, 2012 5:55 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Backup Solution for Windows Hi All, I am looking for reccomendations on backup software for windows XP that works very similar to Time Machine on the Mac. I just lost a 1/2 TB drive on my MacBook Pro and with my Time Machine backup, I'm fairly confident my data is going to be fully recoverable once I get the hardware back from Apple. I would like that peace of mind wiht my XP laptop as well. Basically I want it to be set and forget with full and incremental backups. I think the Time machine backup was full monthly and incremental daily to an external firewire drive. Any recommendations would be greatly appreciated. Oh and I should add that a cloud solution will not work. IT and the IT security team would have a fit. -- Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "What a great ride!" _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From hans.andersen at phulse.com Fri Sep 7 12:34:21 2012 From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen) Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2012 10:34:21 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Backup Solution for Windows In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <55FD638F-CE0C-4763-B091-6D0148780E03@phulse.com> To my knowledge, there isn't anything as neat, fully functional and convenient as time machine / capsule on windows, but I'd recommend the pogo plug. Its a little box that you can attach 3-4 USB drives up to and it comes with software that lets you select what folders you want to automatically backup incrementally. If you want a duplicate backup (for instance an offsite backup), you can also set up another pogo plug device and have it sync your backups over to that other device automatically. Another benefit is that the pogo plug is a personal cloud storage device, so you can access your files on the pogo plug from anywhere in the world securely seamlessly as mounted drives or via a web interface. It also acts as a media server, so it can stream video to your Xbox or ps3 or other media device (via dnla). Music and pictures as well. You can share specific files too like how Dropbox does it with a short link. It does all this but as a personal storage/cloud device. Your data is being stored on your drives, not on some server farm up in the clouds. The only downside is that it doesn't do a full system backup like time machine does. So if your computer gets hosed, you can't just plug in the USB drive and have it bring your system back. Windows 7s backup tool does this (although it's really not a user friendly tool and is slow, but it gets the job done). If you want that for windows xp, I don't know of any great time machine like tools, other than taking occasional clone backups of your machine with whatever. Driveimage xml does this fairly well, but I don't know if it can do it live on xp or requires booting it up on a DVD. - Hans On 2012-09-07, at 5:54 AM, Bryan Carbonnell wrote: > Hi All, > > I am looking for reccomendations on backup software for windows XP > that works very similar to Time Machine on the Mac. > > I just lost a 1/2 TB drive on my MacBook Pro and with my Time Machine > backup, I'm fairly confident my data is going to be fully recoverable > once I get the hardware back from Apple. > > I would like that peace of mind wiht my XP laptop as well. > > Basically I want it to be set and forget with full and incremental > backups. I think the Time machine backup was full monthly and > incremental daily to an external firewire drive. > > Any recommendations would be greatly appreciated. Oh and I should add > that a cloud solution will not work. IT and the IT security team would > have a fit. > > -- > Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com > Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well > preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, > shouting "What a great ride!" > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Fri Sep 7 13:21:55 2012 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2012 11:21:55 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Backup Solution for Windows In-Reply-To: <55FD638F-CE0C-4763-B091-6D0148780E03@phulse.com> References: <55FD638F-CE0C-4763-B091-6D0148780E03@phulse.com> Message-ID: Note: DriveimageXML does a full backup using shadow (VSS) backup. http://www.runtime.org/driveimage-xml.htm Also there is a litter version called ShadowCopy which just backs up files. http://www.runtime.org/shadow-copy.htm This means that these products can have a backup going in realtime. Depending on the systems resources the process can have a marginal impact of performance. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shadow_Copy Unfortunately, this is only a Windows feature. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hans-Christian Andersen Sent: Friday, September 07, 2012 10:34 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Backup Solution for Windows To my knowledge, there isn't anything as neat, fully functional and convenient as time machine / capsule on windows, but I'd recommend the pogo plug. Its a little box that you can attach 3-4 USB drives up to and it comes with software that lets you select what folders you want to automatically backup incrementally. If you want a duplicate backup (for instance an offsite backup), you can also set up another pogo plug device and have it sync your backups over to that other device automatically. Another benefit is that the pogo plug is a personal cloud storage device, so you can access your files on the pogo plug from anywhere in the world securely seamlessly as mounted drives or via a web interface. It also acts as a media server, so it can stream video to your Xbox or ps3 or other media device (via dnla). Music and pictures as well. You can share specific files too like how Dropbox does it with a short link. It does all this but as a personal storage/cloud device. Your data is being stored on your drives, not on some server farm up in the clouds. The only downside is that it doesn't do a full system backup like time machine does. So if your computer gets hosed, you can't just plug in the USB drive and have it bring your system back. Windows 7s backup tool does this (although it's really not a user friendly tool and is slow, but it gets the job done). If you want that for windows xp, I don't know of any great time machine like tools, other than taking occasional clone backups of your machine with whatever. Driveimage xml does this fairly well, but I don't know if it can do it live on xp or requires booting it up on a DVD. - Hans On 2012-09-07, at 5:54 AM, Bryan Carbonnell wrote: > Hi All, > > I am looking for reccomendations on backup software for windows XP > that works very similar to Time Machine on the Mac. > > I just lost a 1/2 TB drive on my MacBook Pro and with my Time Machine > backup, I'm fairly confident my data is going to be fully recoverable > once I get the hardware back from Apple. > > I would like that peace of mind wiht my XP laptop as well. > > Basically I want it to be set and forget with full and incremental > backups. I think the Time machine backup was full monthly and > incremental daily to an external firewire drive. > > Any recommendations would be greatly appreciated. Oh and I should add > that a cloud solution will not work. IT and the IT security team would > have a fit. > > -- > Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com > Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well > preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, > shouting "What a great ride!" > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Fri Sep 7 17:22:32 2012 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Sat, 08 Sep 2012 08:22:32 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Backup Solution for Windows In-Reply-To: <55FD638F-CE0C-4763-B091-6D0148780E03@phulse.com> References: , <55FD638F-CE0C-4763-B091-6D0148780E03@phulse.com> Message-ID: <504A73A8.11348.4E76B833@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Pure market hype which a few companies out there are starting to use. There is no such thing as a "personal cloud storage device". It's either stored on a single pwesonal device or stored "in the cloud". With the usual caveats about Wikipedia, this sums it up: Cloud storage is:[2] made up of many distributed resources, but still acts as one highly fault tolerant through redundancy and distribution of data highly durable through the creation of versioned copies typically eventually consistent with regard to data replicas What Pogoplug and similar offerings from Iomega and Toshiba, to name two that I am aware of, do is able you to stream data from the storage device over the internet. -- Stuart On 7 Sep 2012 at 10:34, Hans-Christian Andersen wrote: > Another benefit is that the pogo plug is a personal cloud storage > device, so you can access your files on the pogo plug from anywhere in > the world securely seamlessly as mounted drives or via a web > interface. > From hans.andersen at phulse.com Sat Sep 8 10:36:35 2012 From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen) Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2012 08:36:35 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Backup Solution for Windows In-Reply-To: <504A73A8.11348.4E76B833@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <55FD638F-CE0C-4763-B091-6D0148780E03@phulse.com> <504A73A8.11348.4E76B833@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: If you looked further into their products, you will find that it falls in line with wikipedias description. Hans ?The internet is not a big truck. It?s a series of tubes,? On 7 Sep 2012, at 15:22, "Stuart McLachlan" wrote: > Pure market hype which a few companies out there are starting to use. > > There is no such thing as a "personal cloud storage device". > > It's either stored on a single pwesonal device or stored "in the cloud". > > With the usual caveats about Wikipedia, this sums it up: > > Cloud storage is:[2] > > made up of many distributed resources, but still acts as one > highly fault tolerant through redundancy and distribution of data > highly durable through the creation of versioned copies > typically eventually consistent with regard to data replicas > > > What Pogoplug and similar offerings from Iomega and Toshiba, to name two that I am aware > of, do is able you to stream data from the storage device over the internet. > > > -- > Stuart > > On 7 Sep 2012 at 10:34, Hans-Christian Andersen wrote: > >> Another benefit is that the pogo plug is a personal cloud storage >> device, so you can access your files on the pogo plug from anywhere in >> the world securely seamlessly as mounted drives or via a web >> interface. >> > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jon at tydda.plus.com Mon Sep 10 15:45:54 2012 From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2012 21:45:54 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 7 God Mode Message-ID: <002101cd8f95$46618e30$d324aa90$@tydda.plus.com> Ever needed a folder in Windows 7 that has ALL the settings and commands you could ever want? It's here. Just create a new folder on your desktop, and change the name to this: GodMode.{ED7BA470-8E54-465E-825C-99712043E01C} (including the curly brackets) Hey presto! There it is. Jon From Gustav at cactus.dk Mon Sep 10 16:08:34 2012 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2012 23:08:34 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 7 God Mode Message-ID: Hi Jon Thanks! It works in Windows 8 as well. /gustav >>> jon at tydda.plus.com 10-09-12 22:45 >>> Ever needed a folder in Windows 7 that has ALL the settings and commands you could ever want? It's here. Just create a new folder on your desktop, and change the name to this: GodMode.{ED7BA470-8E54-465E-825C-99712043E01C} (including the curly brackets) Hey presto! There it is. Jon From df.waters at comcast.net Mon Sep 10 16:32:58 2012 From: df.waters at comcast.net (Dan Waters) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2012 16:32:58 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 7 God Mode In-Reply-To: <002101cd8f95$46618e30$d324aa90$@tydda.plus.com> References: <002101cd8f95$46618e30$d324aa90$@tydda.plus.com> Message-ID: <000801cd8f9b$d914bc10$8b3e3430$@comcast.net> Excellent! How did you learn about this? Dan -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Monday, September 10, 2012 3:46 PM To: dba-OT at databaseadvisors.com; 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 7 God Mode Ever needed a folder in Windows 7 that has ALL the settings and commands you could ever want? It's here. Just create a new folder on your desktop, and change the name to this: GodMode.{ED7BA470-8E54-465E-825C-99712043E01C} (including the curly brackets) Hey presto! There it is. Jon _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jon at tydda.plus.com Mon Sep 10 16:39:37 2012 From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2012 22:39:37 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 7 God Mode In-Reply-To: <000801cd8f9b$d914bc10$8b3e3430$@comcast.net> References: <002101cd8f95$46618e30$d324aa90$@tydda.plus.com> <000801cd8f9b$d914bc10$8b3e3430$@comcast.net> Message-ID: <002901cd8f9c$c7750ea0$565f2be0$@tydda.plus.com> Some in the IT Dept in our South African office mentioned it in a conf call this morning. We've spent all day customising our work PCs, wonder if they'll boot up tomorrow? :-) Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters Sent: 10 September 2012 22:33 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows 7 God Mode Excellent! How did you learn about this? Dan -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Monday, September 10, 2012 3:46 PM To: dba-OT at databaseadvisors.com; 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 7 God Mode Ever needed a folder in Windows 7 that has ALL the settings and commands you could ever want? It's here. Just create a new folder on your desktop, and change the name to this: GodMode.{ED7BA470-8E54-465E-825C-99712043E01C} (including the curly brackets) Hey presto! There it is. Jon _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Mon Sep 10 18:19:18 2012 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2012 16:19:18 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 7 God Mode In-Reply-To: <002101cd8f95$46618e30$d324aa90$@tydda.plus.com> References: <002101cd8f95$46618e30$d324aa90$@tydda.plus.com> Message-ID: <1B1968DD43C244909AAEFAB613DF2A2C@HAL9007> Extremely cool. Not sure what I'll use it for - but it's way cool. Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Monday, September 10, 2012 1:46 PM To: dba-OT at databaseadvisors.com; 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 7 God Mode Ever needed a folder in Windows 7 that has ALL the settings and commands you could ever want? It's here. Just create a new folder on your desktop, and change the name to this: GodMode.{ED7BA470-8E54-465E-825C-99712043E01C} (including the curly brackets) Hey presto! There it is. Jon _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Sep 10 18:31:11 2012 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2012 16:31:11 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 7 God Mode In-Reply-To: <002101cd8f95$46618e30$d324aa90$@tydda.plus.com> References: <002101cd8f95$46618e30$d324aa90$@tydda.plus.com> Message-ID: <09BD92760C3A4E1ABB543CDAF7681FDB@creativesystemdesigns.com> Wow, this will be useful; great research Jon Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Monday, September 10, 2012 1:46 PM To: dba-OT at databaseadvisors.com; 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 7 God Mode Ever needed a folder in Windows 7 that has ALL the settings and commands you could ever want? It's here. Just create a new folder on your desktop, and change the name to this: GodMode.{ED7BA470-8E54-465E-825C-99712043E01C} (including the curly brackets) Hey presto! There it is. Jon _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Mon Sep 10 20:09:49 2012 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2012 21:09:49 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Most used software Message-ID: I want to ask this question twice: 1. you (a presumed software developer) 2. your clients I realize that there might be an overlap, and am not sure how to handle that but I'll get to it eventually. Meanwhile, let's assume these basics: a) since I'm addressing this audience, I assume we can skip the Windows v. Linus argument, and instead assume that the OS answer is Windows, which leaves only Which Version? b) I'm guessing (no reason) that most of your clients are using various Office apps, and that perhaps so are you. But no Guarantees! For example, I have chosen Chrome and gmail over IE and Outlook -- not I'm not after agreement but rather numbers, not from some large measurement-entity out there in the wild, but rather from right here in my more immediate community. c) This might also involve your use of various VMs, which would beg the question of How much time and in which? d) At this point it gets much more general, but I need to ask this question: how much time do you spend on maintenance, by which I mean such mundane tasks as Backup, Defrag, burning backups to more permanent media such as DVD, installing Windows updates and various patches to subsystems such as ADO or FlashPoint updates, (this list could go on and on and on and on, but I assume that you get the point), and so on? e) Do you factor in any of the expenses in category d) into any and all of your billings to each and every client, or do you simply absorb all this as the cost of business? And if the latter, do you add some percentage or fixed amount to the billing to each client, under some general title such as "Administration"? I'm not challenging anyone's particular method of handling this stuff. Far from it. I'm researching how freelancers deal with this stuff, and perhaps in this light, hoping to learn a trick or two. -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Money never arrives at an inpportune moment. -- Don't know who said that first, so I'll claim the credit. From fuller.artful at gmail.com Mon Sep 10 21:29:26 2012 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2012 22:29:26 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Three Doors Problem Message-ID: This is old science, but perhaps it's time to trot it out again, if only because as I write this, I'm listening to a cbc-radio program called Ideas, whose current subject is probability. So allow me to trot out a problem that is a couple of decades old, and invite you to solve it without referring to Google or Scientific American (in which there occurred a very heated discussion that lasted about six months in Letters to the Editor, many of whose authors cited various credentials from prestigious universities). But in the end, math proved correct. It's the classic three-doors problem, in the following descriptions of whose doors, feel free to substitute objects of interest, the only proviso being that two should be eminently desirable and the third an unpleasant alternative. I am the host of a TV show. You are the contestant. You are presented with three doors. Lights focus on me, and I announce that our new contestant is the lovely/handsome Mr./Ms. J.D. Something, a seasoned developer from Somewhere, Kansas and specializing in several programming languages. Lights focus on you. In 30 seconds, you describe your current career, failed marriages, naughty children, and recent auto-accidents. Enough of the fluff! Time to move on to The Game. Behind these three doors lie your three prizes, my darling/handsome contestant! Behind two of these doors lies something ghastly, Behind the other is the answer to all your problems, and all your family's problems, forever! I was going to get into ghastly descriptions of what lies behind the bad two doors, and a rhapsodic description of what lies behind the third, but let's strive for simplicity. 1. Choose a door: A, B or C. 2. As host, I select one of the remaining two doors, revealing something ghastly. 3. I now invite you to switch your choice to the remaining door, or stick with your original choice. Does it make a difference whether you stay or switch, and if so why? Facts: This question originally arose in the pages of Scientific American about 40+ years ago, IIRC. It's only fair if you try to answer, and explain your answer, in about 20 lines of text and/or algebra. I knew the answer even before the SA discussions began, and proved it using three playing cards, within 5 minutes. Many of the finest statisticians in the world argued about the answer for about six months in Letters to the Editor of said publication. Provisos: Even though I have cited the source material and its ensuing lengthy discourse, if you want to play fair, please ignore the sources and deal with the problem at hand. Miscellaneous: I got to the solution rather quickly, but only because I'm an expert at backgammon, which requires the ability to do a large number of calculations in a very limited amount of time. Thus I arrived at the correct answer rather quickly. This is not to say that expertise in backgammon is required, but that expertise in probability analysis helps. Proofs are invited. (I haven't written down the solution in algebraic form lately, but given three cards, I can prove the answer within a couple of minutes.) A. From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Mon Sep 10 21:45:16 2012 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 12:45:16 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Three Doors Problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <504EA5BC.20310.5EDA3C66@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> It's commonly known as the "Monty Hall" problem, after the compere of the TV show Let's Make A Deal. It first appeared in American Statistician in the '70s. I've discussed it at length on other forums. It's amazing the number of very good programmers who just can't follow the logic and won't accept the correct answer :-) (BTW, the correct answer is - always switch - it gives you a 67% chance of picking the right door) -- Stuart On 10 Sep 2012 at 22:29, Arthur Fuller wrote: > This is old science, but perhaps it's time to trot it out again, if only > because as I write this, I'm listening to a cbc-radio program called Ideas, > whose current subject is probability. So allow me to trot out a problem > that is a couple of decades old, and invite you to solve it without > referring to Google or Scientific American (in which there occurred a very > heated discussion that lasted about six months in Letters to the Editor, > many of whose authors cited various credentials from prestigious > universities). But in the end, math proved correct. > > It's the classic three-doors problem, in the following descriptions of > whose doors, feel free to substitute objects of interest, the only proviso > being that two should be eminently desirable and the third an unpleasant > alternative. > > I am the host of a TV show. You are the contestant. You are presented with > three doors. > > Lights focus on me, and I announce that our new contestant is the > lovely/handsome Mr./Ms. J.D. Something, a seasoned developer from > Somewhere, Kansas and specializing in several programming languages. > > Lights focus on you. In 30 seconds, you describe your current career, > failed marriages, naughty children, and recent auto-accidents. Enough of > the fluff! Time to move on to The Game. > > Behind these three doors lie your three prizes, my darling/handsome > contestant! > > Behind two of these doors lies something ghastly, Behind the other is the > answer to all your problems, and all your family's problems, forever! > > I was going to get into ghastly descriptions of what lies behind the bad > two doors, and a rhapsodic description of what lies behind the third, but > let's strive for simplicity. > > 1. Choose a door: A, B or C. > 2. As host, I select one of the remaining two doors, revealing something > ghastly. > 3. I now invite you to switch your choice to the remaining door, or stick > with your original choice. > > Does it make a difference whether you stay or switch, and if so why? > > Facts: > This question originally arose in the pages of Scientific American about > 40+ years ago, IIRC. > It's only fair if you try to answer, and explain your answer, in about 20 > lines of text and/or algebra. > I knew the answer even before the SA discussions began, and proved it using > three playing cards, within 5 minutes. > Many of the finest statisticians in the world argued about the answer for > about six months in Letters to the Editor of said publication. > > Provisos: > Even though I have cited the source material and its ensuing lengthy > discourse, if you want to play fair, please ignore the sources and deal > with the problem at hand. > > Miscellaneous: > I got to the solution rather quickly, but only because I'm an expert at > backgammon, which requires the ability to do a large number of calculations > in a very limited amount of time. Thus I arrived at the correct answer > rather quickly. This is not to say that expertise in backgammon is > required, but that expertise in probability analysis helps. > > Proofs are invited. (I haven't written down the solution in algebraic form > lately, but given three cards, I can prove the answer within a couple of > minutes.) > > A. > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From hans.andersen at phulse.com Tue Sep 11 00:04:08 2012 From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2012 22:04:08 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Most used software In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1EBC47C9-C0F1-420B-A53C-C621BBA44212@phulse.com> > assume that the OS answer is Windows, which leaves only Which Version? Well, that leaves me out. :) Hans "A software developer who hasn't been using Windows since Twitter was launched and North Korea tested its first nuclear explosion." On 10 Sep 2012, at 18:09, Arthur Fuller wrote: > I want to ask this question twice: > 1. you (a presumed software developer) > 2. your clients > > I realize that there might be an overlap, and am not sure how to handle > that but I'll get to it eventually. Meanwhile, let's assume these basics: > > a) since I'm addressing this audience, I assume we can skip the Windows v. > Linus argument, and instead assume that the OS answer is Windows, which > leaves only Which Version? > b) I'm guessing (no reason) that most of your clients are using various > Office apps, and that perhaps so are you. But no Guarantees! For example, I > have chosen Chrome and gmail over IE and Outlook -- not I'm not after > agreement but rather numbers, not from some large measurement-entity out > there in the wild, but rather from right here in my more immediate > community. > c) This might also involve your use of various VMs, which would beg the > question of How much time and in which? > d) At this point it gets much more general, but I need to ask this > question: how much time do you spend on maintenance, by which I mean such > mundane tasks as Backup, Defrag, burning backups to more permanent media > such as DVD, installing Windows updates and various patches to subsystems > such as ADO or FlashPoint updates, (this list could go on and on and on and > on, but I assume that you get the point), and so on? > e) Do you factor in any of the expenses in category d) into any and all of > your billings to each and every client, or do you simply absorb all this as > the cost of business? And if the latter, do you add some percentage or > fixed amount to the billing to each client, under some general title such > as "Administration"? > > I'm not challenging anyone's particular method of handling this stuff. Far > from it. I'm researching how freelancers deal with this stuff, and perhaps > in this light, hoping to learn a trick or two. > > -- > Arthur > Cell: 647.710.1314 > > Money never arrives at an inpportune moment. > -- Don't know who said that first, so I'll claim the credit. > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Tue Sep 11 06:16:18 2012 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 07:16:18 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Most used software In-Reply-To: <1EBC47C9-C0F1-420B-A53C-C621BBA44212@phulse.com> References: <1EBC47C9-C0F1-420B-A53C-C621BBA44212@phulse.com> Message-ID: Sorry, Hans! Actually, I didn't mean to restrict the goalposts so much. I simply assumed that most listers here were Windows+Access+SQL+.NET people, but now that you've pointed that out, please add your contributions! A. On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 1:04 AM, Hans-Christian Andersen < hans.andersen at phulse.com> wrote: > > assume that the OS answer is Windows, which leaves only Which Version? > > Well, that leaves me out. :) > > Hans > "A software developer who hasn't been using Windows since Twitter was > launched and North Korea tested its first nuclear explosion." > > From fuller.artful at gmail.com Tue Sep 11 06:21:47 2012 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 07:21:47 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Three Doors Problem In-Reply-To: <504EA5BC.20310.5EDA3C66@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <504EA5BC.20310.5EDA3C66@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: Yes and yes. IME, the more one thinks he knows about statistics, the more difficult it is to arrive at the answer. A. From gustav at cactus.dk Tue Sep 11 07:31:32 2012 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 14:31:32 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Three Doors Problem Message-ID: Hi Arthur That's a strange experience. I had to think about this, but when I realised that initially you most likely had picked a bad door, then Stuart is of course right - when a bad door is revealed, the door you didn't select is most likely the good door. /gustav >>> fuller.artful at gmail.com 11-09-12 13:21 >>> Yes and yes. IME, the more one thinks he knows about statistics, the more difficult it is to arrive at the answer. A. From fuller.artful at gmail.com Tue Sep 11 08:20:07 2012 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 09:20:07 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Three Doors Problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Gustav, Doesn't matter which door you pick initially. It remains correct in terms of probability always to choose to switch. No matter what your initial choice, you have a 1/3 chance of correctness. That leaves two doors. I open one of them to reveal a bad choice. At that point, if you stick with your original choice, your chances remain 1 in 3 (33%). However, if you switch, your chances increase to 1 in 2 (50%). I know it's difficult to see why, but if you prefer a little empirical evidence, try this: Take 3 playing cards and 3 coins. I don't know Danish currency, so I'll say 2 pennies and 1 nickel, the latter being the "good" choice and the former the "bad" choices. Place the coins beneath the cards and then try out the alternatives. Remember that I (or in this case you) know what's beneath each card, so that no matter which card you choose initially, the host is always able to turn a "bad" card. Don't feel bad if it doesn't sink in immediately. When first published in Scientific American magazine, this caused a furor unlike anything in the magazine's history. Statisticians with strings of credentials as long as your arm fought against its answer, but eventually had to admit the correctness, no matter how counter-intuitive. Always switch. Although not immediately relevant, I should add that for about three years I made my living playing backgammon, and played in dozens of tournaments including several world championships. I also played against some of the finest in the world at that time. I read every book published about the game and learned almost everything I know about probability from studying those books and the game itself. For centuries, it was almost entirely a game of luck. No one knows for sure, but sometime around 1920 the doubling cube was introduced into the game. That changed everything. The game became a study of probabilities, not a game of pure chance. A. On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 8:31 AM, Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi Arthur > > That's a strange experience. I had to think about this, but when I > realised that initially you most likely had picked a bad door, then Stuart > is of course right - when a bad door is revealed, the door you didn't > select is most likely the good door. > > /gustav > > > From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Tue Sep 11 15:40:23 2012 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 06:40:23 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Three Doors Problem In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: <504FA1B7.21479.62B2880A@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> OK, here we go :-) However, if you switch, your chances increase to 1 in 2 (50%). No they don't, they increease to 2 in 3 (67%) (Don't feel bad if it doesn't sink in immediately. ) -- Stuart On 11 Sep 2012 at 9:20, Arthur Fuller wrote: > Gustav, > > Doesn't matter which door you pick initially. It remains correct in terms > of probability always to choose to switch. No matter what your initial > choice, you have a 1/3 chance of correctness. That leaves two doors. I open > one of them to reveal a bad choice. At that point, if you stick with your > original choice, your chances remain 1 in 3 (33%). However, if you switch, > your chances increase to 1 in 2 (50%). I know it's difficult to see why, > but if you prefer a little empirical evidence, try this: > > Take 3 playing cards and 3 coins. I don't know Danish currency, so I'll say > 2 pennies and 1 nickel, the latter being the "good" choice and the former > the "bad" choices. Place the coins beneath the cards and then try out the > alternatives. > > Remember that I (or in this case you) know what's beneath each card, so > that no matter which card you choose initially, the host is always able to > turn a "bad" card. > > Don't feel bad if it doesn't sink in immediately. When first published in > Scientific American magazine, this caused a furor unlike anything in the > magazine's history. Statisticians with strings of credentials as long as > your arm fought against its answer, but eventually had to admit the > correctness, no matter how counter-intuitive. Always switch. > > Although not immediately relevant, I should add that for about three years > I made my living playing backgammon, and played in dozens of tournaments > including several world championships. I also played against some of the > finest in the world at that time. I read every book published about the > game and learned almost everything I know about probability from studying > those books and the game itself. For centuries, it was almost entirely a > game of luck. No one knows for sure, but sometime around 1920 the doubling > cube was introduced into the game. That changed everything. The game became > a study of probabilities, not a game of pure chance. > > A. > > On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 8:31 AM, Gustav Brock wrote: > > > Hi Arthur > > > > That's a strange experience. I had to think about this, but when I > > realised that initially you most likely had picked a bad door, then Stuart > > is of course right - when a bad door is revealed, the door you didn't > > select is most likely the good door. > > > > /gustav > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From peter.brawley at earthlink.net Mon Sep 17 09:50:38 2012 From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 09:50:38 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Bye bye IOS & RIM, hello android? Message-ID: <505738BE.7080301@earthlink.net> http://www.infoworld.com/d/mobile-technology/the-feds-shift-android-could-give-it-big-business-boost-too-202177 PB From hans.andersen at phulse.com Mon Sep 17 10:59:53 2012 From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 08:59:53 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Bye bye IOS & RIM, hello android? In-Reply-To: <505738BE.7080301@earthlink.net> References: <505738BE.7080301@earthlink.net> Message-ID: The end result is going to be the same as always - people are going to have multiple devices, but their preferred one as the main point of contact. Best regards, Hans-Christian Andersen On 17 Sep 2012, at 07:50, Peter Brawley wrote: > http://www.infoworld.com/d/mobile-technology/the-feds-shift-android-could-give-it-big-business-boost-too-202177 > > PB > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From kathryn at bassett.net Wed Sep 19 17:03:46 2012 From: kathryn at bassett.net (Kathryn Bassett) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 15:03:46 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: Blogging In-Reply-To: <00b001ccac6b$571cdfd0$05569f70$@net> References: <00b001ccac6b$571cdfd0$05569f70$@net> Message-ID: Back in Nov 2011, Arthur said: > > I think I can afford to purchase a domain. Unfortunately, most of the > > good ones are taken, but hey, I'm creative, I'll come up with something. I replied: > No need to be totally creative, these are available: > > arthurfuller.com > fuller.coop What did you finally end up with? -- Kathryn Rhinehart Bassett (Pasadena CA) "Genealogy is my bag" "GH is my soap" kathryn at bassett.net http://bassett.net?? From fuller.artful at gmail.com Wed Sep 19 18:13:07 2012 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 19:13:07 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] One step closer to fusion Message-ID: Sandia Labs has announced significant progress in the pursuit of exceeding the break-even point (the point at which output = input). For more on this see https://share.sandia.gov/news/resources/news_releases/nuclear_fusion/ . -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. -- Niels Bohr From accessd at shaw.ca Wed Sep 19 21:04:08 2012 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 19:04:08 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] One step closer to fusion In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <631D351377CA4ED5A38E14CFCAAC1AD1@creativesystemdesigns.com> That is impressive research. It seems it still has a little way to go but the thought of having reactors that could run indefinitely is a now a possibility. (Saw the technology first discussed in the Sci-Fi movie, Forbidden Planet made in the late fifties...their reactors were running over 250,000 years.) Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 4:13 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] One step closer to fusion Sandia Labs has announced significant progress in the pursuit of exceeding the break-even point (the point at which output = input). For more on this see https://share.sandia.gov/news/resources/news_releases/nuclear_fusion/ . -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. -- Niels Bohr _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Wed Sep 19 23:42:51 2012 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 21:42:51 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] One step closer to fusion In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <607EFB1A780F435EAABAD1331E9F9638@HAL9007> Coincidentally, my son and I got a tour of the General Atomics Tokomak facility in La Jolla today from our neighbor. It was awesome - http://www.ga.com/energy/d3d.php. We got up close and personal with the Diii-D tokomak. But we also got a detailed look at why we aren't there yet - some of the problems of containment, etc. Our neighbor two doors down is a physicist and has been working there a long time. My son needs an internship next spring as a requirement for high school. Looks like he's going to land one there if they can work it out. He's deep into physics, programming, robotics, engineering - a true self-described geek. Has a heck of a resume already. I'm jealous. Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 4:13 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] One step closer to fusion Sandia Labs has announced significant progress in the pursuit of exceeding the break-even point (the point at which output = input). For more on this see https://share.sandia.gov/news/resources/news_releases/nuclear_fusion/ . -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. -- Niels Bohr _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Thu Sep 20 08:15:41 2012 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2012 09:15:41 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] One step closer to fusion In-Reply-To: <607EFB1A780F435EAABAD1331E9F9638@HAL9007> References: <607EFB1A780F435EAABAD1331E9F9638@HAL9007> Message-ID: So am I! A. I'm jealous. > > Rocky > > > From kathryn at bassett.net Fri Sep 21 00:46:09 2012 From: kathryn at bassett.net (Kathryn Bassett) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2012 22:46:09 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Excel 2010 header question Message-ID: In a cell, you can choose the properties of the way the &[date] shows up. In the header I can't find a way to do that. It shows up as 20 09 2012. I want it to show up as 20 Sep 2012. I'd even settle for Sep 20, 2012. Both the long date and short date in the operating system are set to show as 20 Sep 2012. In Quattro Pro I can set headers to the format I want. What the heck is the code to make the current date show the way I want? -- Kathryn Rhinehart Bassett (Pasadena CA) "Genealogy is my bag" "GH is my soap" kathryn at bassett.net http://bassett.net?? From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Fri Sep 21 07:29:24 2012 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2012 05:29:24 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Excel 2010 header question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I don't know but does this help? http://support.microsoft.com/kb/94870 Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kathryn Bassett Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2012 10:46 PM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: [dba-Tech] Excel 2010 header question In a cell, you can choose the properties of the way the &[date] shows up. In the header I can't find a way to do that. It shows up as 20 09 2012. I want it to show up as 20 Sep 2012. I'd even settle for Sep 20, 2012. Both the long date and short date in the operating system are set to show as 20 Sep 2012. In Quattro Pro I can set headers to the format I want. What the heck is the code to make the current date show the way I want? -- Kathryn Rhinehart Bassett (Pasadena CA) "Genealogy is my bag" "GH is my soap" kathryn at bassett.net http://bassett.net?? _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From marklbreen at gmail.com Fri Sep 21 08:21:56 2012 From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2012 14:21:56 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Domain Redirection Message-ID: Hello All, I have a question related to CNAMEs, A Records and DNS. I have a site that hosts 20 sites. Customers site is www.example.com Customer currently points his A record to my IP address Customer points his CNAME to his domain (This is the usual configuration for most domains) My site is www.hostingsite.com My problem is if I change IP address, I have to ask 20 customers to update their DNS details. Not Easy! I have created a CNAME on my site named portals.hostingsite.com I will ask all customers to change their CNAME To point instead to portals.hostingsite.com This means that www.example.com will be re-directed to portals.hostingsite.com. My server will then serve the site. This all works well today, got CNAMES. However... The A record is not so easy. You cannot point an A record to a CNAME. It must point to an IP address. The reason I am posting all this here is to ask you what you think about this topic. There is a company http://wwwizer.com/naked-domain-redirect that offer A record re-direction for free. Do you think there is anything wrong with re-directing A records via a company I am not familiar with ? thanks as always for your advice Mark From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Fri Sep 21 18:14:22 2012 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2012 09:14:22 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Domain Redirection In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <505CF4CE.21684.5536F61@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Hi Mark, This is only a problem if you want "naked domain" URLs to point to their website i.e. both http://customername.com and http://www.customername.com If not, then the CNAME www.customername.com -> portal.yourhosting.com is the only DNS record needed. If you do want naked domain URLs to work , my solutions in order of preference would be: 1. A URL Redirect on your customer's domain host's web server 2. A .htaccess file with Rewrite on their webserver (doesn't work on WIndows servers) 3. A third party redirection service such as wwwizer.com 4. A naked A record pointing to your IP address But if using 3 or 4, be aware of the potential problems with directing the entire domain elsewhere when the only thing you really want to redirect is http traffic. . I have not used wwwizer.com myself but have not seen any bad reviews of it and have seen it recommended in several places. Option A is simple to set up if your customer has CPanel etc access to their domain management. And here's how to do it for Godaddy hosted domains: http://support.unbounce.com/entries/261051#301 -- Stuart On 21 Sep 2012 at 14:21, Mark Breen wrote: > Hello All, > > I have a question related to CNAMEs, A Records and DNS. > > I have a site that hosts 20 sites. > Customers site is www.example.com > Customer currently points his A record to my IP address > Customer points his CNAME to his domain > (This is the usual configuration for most domains) > > My site is www.hostingsite.com > > My problem is if I change IP address, I have to ask 20 customers to update > their DNS details. Not Easy! > > I have created a CNAME on my site named portals.hostingsite.com > I will ask all customers to change their CNAME To point instead to > portals.hostingsite.com > > This means that www.example.com will be re-directed to > portals.hostingsite.com. My server will then serve the site. > > This all works well today, got CNAMES. > > However... > > The A record is not so easy. You cannot point an A record to a CNAME. It > must point to an IP address. > > The reason I am posting all this here is to ask you what you think about > this topic. > > There is a company http://wwwizer.com/naked-domain-redirect that offer A > record re-direction for free. Do you think there is anything wrong with > re-directing A records via a company I am not familiar with ? > > thanks as always for your advice > > Mark > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From fuller.artful at gmail.com Mon Sep 24 10:16:13 2012 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2012 11:16:13 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Network connection settings Message-ID: Can anyone tell me where the network connection settings are stored in Windows 7? TIA. -- Arthur From john at winhaven.net Mon Sep 24 14:47:16 2012 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2012 14:47:16 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Network connection settings In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <013501cd9a8d$681e39d0$385aad70$@winhaven.net> Hi Arthur Control Panel - Network and Internet - Network & Sharing Center - Change Adapter Settings HTH John B -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Monday, September 24, 2012 10:16 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Network connection settings Can anyone tell me where the network connection settings are stored in Windows 7? TIA. -- Arthur _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Mon Sep 24 15:19:06 2012 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2012 06:19:06 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Network connection settings In-Reply-To: <013501cd9a8d$681e39d0$385aad70$@winhaven.net> References: , <013501cd9a8d$681e39d0$385aad70$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: <5060C03A.10850.438F3F5@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Alternative answer: In dozens of different locations dotted throughout the Registry :-( -- Stuart On 24 Sep 2012 at 14:47, John Bartow wrote: > Hi Arthur > Control Panel - Network and Internet - Network & Sharing Center - Change > Adapter Settings > HTH > John B > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller > Sent: Monday, September 24, 2012 10:16 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: [dba-Tech] Network connection settings > > Can anyone tell me where the network connection settings are stored in > Windows 7? > TIA. > > -- > Arthur > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From john at winhaven.net Mon Sep 24 15:28:20 2012 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2012 15:28:20 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Network connection settings In-Reply-To: <5060C03A.10850.438F3F5@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: , <013501cd9a8d$681e39d0$385aad70$@winhaven.net> <5060C03A.10850.438F3F5@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <000901cd9a93$2333cdc0$699b6940$@winhaven.net> Lol - or use the "god folder" links that some people posted a few weeks back. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Monday, September 24, 2012 3:19 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Network connection settings Alternative answer: In dozens of different locations dotted throughout the Registry :-( -- Stuart On 24 Sep 2012 at 14:47, John Bartow wrote: > Hi Arthur > Control Panel - Network and Internet - Network & Sharing Center - > Change Adapter Settings HTH John B > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur > Fuller > Sent: Monday, September 24, 2012 10:16 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: [dba-Tech] Network connection settings > > Can anyone tell me where the network connection settings are stored in > Windows 7? > TIA. > > -- > Arthur > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Mon Sep 24 16:51:02 2012 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2012 17:51:02 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Network connection settings In-Reply-To: <000901cd9a93$2333cdc0$699b6940$@winhaven.net> References: <013501cd9a8d$681e39d0$385aad70$@winhaven.net> <5060C03A.10850.438F3F5@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <000901cd9a93$2333cdc0$699b6940$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: I've done the God folder thing. I think I'll look there. A. On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 4:28 PM, John Bartow wrote: > Lol - or use the "god folder" links that some people posted a few weeks > back. > > From fuller.artful at gmail.com Mon Sep 24 16:55:24 2012 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2012 17:55:24 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Google Power Searching Course Message-ID: I'm taking a free on-line course from Google called Power Searching in Google. I'm not even finished the bundle called Lesson 1 and I've already learned several cool things. Upon completion of the course and passing two exams, I'll receive a certificate. Woo hoo! -- Arthur www.artfulsoftware.com From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Sep 24 19:18:02 2012 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2012 17:18:02 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Google Power Searching Course In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I didn't know there was one, let alone two. Is this certificate suitable for framing? Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Monday, September 24, 2012 2:55 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Google Power Searching Course I'm taking a free on-line course from Google called Power Searching in Google. I'm not even finished the bundle called Lesson 1 and I've already learned several cool things. Upon completion of the course and passing two exams, I'll receive a certificate. Woo hoo! -- Arthur www.artfulsoftware.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Mon Sep 24 22:37:04 2012 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2012 23:37:04 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Google Power Searching Course In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I hope so! As it happens, I'm also taking the on-line course in AI from M.I.T., I can hardly wait to add them both to my resume :) I always dreamed of studying at M.I.T. Best I can do, at this late stage. A. On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 8:18 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > I didn't know there was one, let alone two. > > Is this certificate suitable for framing? > > Jim > > From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Sep 24 22:49:39 2012 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2012 20:49:39 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Google Power Searching Course In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <58B2DE484F5A4AE0B707CD2F10C0CF88@creativesystemdesigns.com> MIT has always been such a fascinating place. The place where engineer's engineers come from. Good luck in your course...and you thought for a moment you were retiring. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Monday, September 24, 2012 8:37 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Google Power Searching Course I hope so! As it happens, I'm also taking the on-line course in AI from M.I.T., I can hardly wait to add them both to my resume :) I always dreamed of studying at M.I.T. Best I can do, at this late stage. A. On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 8:18 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > I didn't know there was one, let alone two. > > Is this certificate suitable for framing? > > Jim > > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Tue Sep 25 08:56:26 2012 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2012 06:56:26 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Apple vs Samsung: Time to fix this patent farce In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3036FC5536FC4105A02A87528DE4B10D@creativesystemdesigns.com> The patent farce: Below is a link to a good summary of the patent farce or war between Apple and Samsung. Considering that most of the internal hardware, its engineering designs and even the latest "retina" technology is owned by Samsung, the last sham courtroom case is little more than a cruel joke, that will just cost the public more and improve nothing. As most of the hardware and software used in Apple was created by other companies, Apple's whole case can be rendered down to the following and I quote: " But the bigger issue isn't copying, or imitation, but the broken nature of the patent and so-called intellectual property industries. In an industry where last year's must-have is already out of date, there is something obscene about a court case that involves, among other things, a dispute about patents and design registrations such as the one "for overall design of the product, including the rectangular shape, the rounded corners, the silver edges, the black face, and the display of 16 colorful icons". " Note: the rectangular shape of iPhone and all Smartphones for that matter is a mathematical design standard that has stretched thousands of year. The Greek Parthenon is an example of that particular shape and it is reflected in the shape of virtually every soup can for the last couple of centuries. Apple has patented it? http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/cio-insights/apple-vs-samsung-time-to-fix-t his-patent-farce/39749361?tag=nl.e101&s_cid=e101 Jim From accessd at shaw.ca Wed Sep 26 09:33:07 2012 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2012 07:33:07 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Where did Gorilla glass come from In-Reply-To: <3036FC5536FC4105A02A87528DE4B10D@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <3036FC5536FC4105A02A87528DE4B10D@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: " Don Stookey knew he had botched the experiment. One day in 1952, the Corning Glass Works chemist placed a sample of photosensitive glass inside a furnace and set the temperature to 600 degrees Celsius. At some point during the run, a faulty controller let the temperature climb to 900 degrees C. Expecting a melted blob of glass and a ruined furnace, Stookey opened the door to discover that, weirdly, his lithium silicate had transformed into a milky white plate. When he tried to remove it, the sample slipped from the tongs and crashed to the floor. Instead of shattering, it bounced. " http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2012/09/ff-corning-gorilla-glass/ Jim From accessd at shaw.ca Wed Sep 26 10:05:04 2012 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2012 08:05:04 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] A technology worth further investigation In-Reply-To: References: <3036FC5536FC4105A02A87528DE4B10D@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <24522C5BE6D5450998CBFDAEF68FE067@creativesystemdesigns.com> Just ran across this programming language and though I do not have the time to further investigate right now (another winter project), it does seem worthy of a second look. Here is a few comments from a blog on the new language: http://danappleman.com/2012/09/24/forceisvb/ Here is a more thorough view of the language and its implementation: http://wiki.developerforce.com/page/Apex_Code:_The_World's_First_On-Demand_P rogramming_Language And finally a YouTube video on it features: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1e6aKUzniPM >From its reviews it seems like a interesting option. Has anyone else heard of this language before? Jim From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Wed Sep 26 20:12:06 2012 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2012 11:12:06 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Free Cloud based MySQL In-Reply-To: <7F258A947BDA4B1DB53497FF02E64157@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: , <016e01cd1760$5c7679e0$15636da0$@mattysconsulting.com>, <7F258A947BDA4B1DB53497FF02E64157@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <5063A7E6.2040.F91EDE8@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> A ridiculously simple, seriously powerful CLOUD DATABASE Xeround is an elastic, always-on database-as-a-service for your MySQL applications . http://xeround.com You can get a free account with up to 10MB of storage. I just signed up for their free account, created a simple table in MySQL with their phpMyAdmin interface, created a MySQL ODBC connection in an Access application and added/editted and deleted a few records. It worked fine. This may be of interest to JC for his prisoner release back-end instead of messing around with Hamachi and an Access BE. I'm not sure if he is on the Tech list, so I've sent this to the Access list as well :) -- Stuart From john at winhaven.net Thu Sep 27 00:14:26 2012 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2012 00:14:26 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] The future of our lists Message-ID: <00c501cd9c6e$f73c4430$e5b4cc90$@winhaven.net> Hello Faithful List Members: Recently there was a thread on AccessD concerning the future of our lists. In order to keep the list dedicated to Access discussions we've decided to open up the DBA-Maintenance list to anyone who wishes to discuss ideas concerning the future of our lists, website, etc. Those interested can subscribe to the maintenance list for discussion on the future of the Database Advisors. Inc. email lists. Subscription link: http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/maintenance If you have any problems subscribing please contact me directly. Thank You for your support, John Bartow, President Database Advisors, Inc. president at databaseadvisors.com From john at winhaven.net Thu Sep 27 11:13:12 2012 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2012 11:13:12 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Free Cloud based MySQL In-Reply-To: <5063A7E6.2040.F91EDE8@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: , <016e01cd1760$5c7679e0$15636da0$@mattysconsulting.com>, <7F258A947BDA4B1DB53497FF02E64157@creativesystemdesigns.com> <5063A7E6.2040.F91EDE8@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <018d01cd9cca$fe87c550$fb974ff0$@winhaven.net> Sweet! Thanks for the posting. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2012 8:12 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues; access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [dba-Tech] Free Cloud based MySQL A ridiculously simple, seriously powerful CLOUD DATABASE Xeround is an elastic, always-on database-as-a-service for your MySQL applications . http://xeround.com You can get a free account with up to 10MB of storage. I just signed up for their free account, created a simple table in MySQL with their phpMyAdmin interface, created a MySQL ODBC connection in an Access application and added/editted and deleted a few records. It worked fine. This may be of interest to JC for his prisoner release back-end instead of messing around with Hamachi and an Access BE. I'm not sure if he is on the Tech list, so I've sent this to the Access list as well :) -- Stuart _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Thu Sep 27 11:38:50 2012 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2012 09:38:50 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Free Cloud based MySQL In-Reply-To: <5063A7E6.2040.F91EDE8@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: , <016e01cd1760$5c7679e0$15636da0$@mattysconsulting.com>, <7F258A947BDA4B1DB53497FF02E64157@creativesystemdesigns.com> <5063A7E6.2040.F91EDE8@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <330349EA46FB4B058C07B6CCD37A2590@creativesystemdesigns.com> I like easy and simple. ;-) I will give it a whirl and see how it goes. Thanks for the heads up. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2012 6:12 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues; access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [dba-Tech] Free Cloud based MySQL A ridiculously simple, seriously powerful CLOUD DATABASE Xeround is an elastic, always-on database-as-a-service for your MySQL applications . http://xeround.com You can get a free account with up to 10MB of storage. I just signed up for their free account, created a simple table in MySQL with their phpMyAdmin interface, created a MySQL ODBC connection in an Access application and added/editted and deleted a few records. It worked fine. This may be of interest to JC for his prisoner release back-end instead of messing around with Hamachi and an Access BE. I'm not sure if he is on the Tech list, so I've sent this to the Access list as well :) -- Stuart _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Thu Sep 27 15:44:52 2012 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2012 13:44:52 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Server harddrive updates In-Reply-To: <330349EA46FB4B058C07B6CCD37A2590@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: , <016e01cd1760$5c7679e0$15636da0$@mattysconsulting.com>, <7F258A947BDA4B1DB53497FF02E64157@creativesystemdesigns.com><5063A7E6.2040.F91EDE8@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <330349EA46FB4B058C07B6CCD37A2590@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <31DBD5124A6C4DAD830FC1A1F0AC3AF0@creativesystemdesigns.com> I have had to do updates on one of my servers. The server, in question, has 4 x 2TB drives and the time it takes to run a full check-disk is about 6 hours. In the meantime, I have had to re-direct to a friends site to maintain all of the web support. Question: Is there anyway, software package, or method to run in the background as the system will currently only do a thorough check-disk in boot mode which means the whole server is effective down until the process is completed. TIA Jim From john at winhaven.net Thu Sep 27 16:17:26 2012 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2012 16:17:26 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Server harddrive updates In-Reply-To: <31DBD5124A6C4DAD830FC1A1F0AC3AF0@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: , <016e01cd1760$5c7679e0$15636da0$@mattysconsulting.com>, <7F258A947BDA4B1DB53497FF02E64157@creativesystemdesigns.com><5063A7E6.2040.F91EDE8@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <330349EA46FB4B058C07B6CCD37A2590@creativesystemdesigns.com> <31DBD5124A6C4DAD830FC1A1F0AC3AF0@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <024801cd9cf5$7ea3ff90$7bebfeb0$@winhaven.net> Could you boot from a smaller SSD? (Then you can do a check disk on the larger drives anytime.) -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 3:45 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Server harddrive updates I have had to do updates on one of my servers. The server, in question, has 4 x 2TB drives and the time it takes to run a full check-disk is about 6 hours. In the meantime, I have had to re-direct to a friends site to maintain all of the web support. Question: Is there anyway, software package, or method to run in the background as the system will currently only do a thorough check-disk in boot mode which means the whole server is effective down until the process is completed. TIA Jim _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Fri Sep 28 08:42:06 2012 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2012 09:42:06 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Wikileaks declared an enemy of the state Message-ID: The whistle-blowing web site has been officially classed as a threat equal to terrorists. Wow. Next in line, I guess, is the threat of freedom of speech. http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2012/09/27 -- Arthur From accessd at shaw.ca Fri Sep 28 10:07:09 2012 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2012 08:07:09 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Wikileaks declared an enemy of the state In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <23B84FA9D74842ADAC2CEB14A30C7EC3@creativesystemdesigns.com> I could say a lot more about this post but this is the Tech list not the OT list. ;-) Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Friday, September 28, 2012 6:42 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Wikileaks declared an enemy of the state The whistle-blowing web site has been officially classed as a threat equal to terrorists. Wow. Next in line, I guess, is the threat of freedom of speech. http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2012/09/27 -- Arthur _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Fri Sep 28 11:10:39 2012 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2012 12:10:39 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Wikileaks declared an enemy of the state In-Reply-To: <23B84FA9D74842ADAC2CEB14A30C7EC3@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <23B84FA9D74842ADAC2CEB14A30C7EC3@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: You are quite right, Jim. I intended to post it to the OT list. Sorry. On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 11:07 AM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > I could say a lot more about this post but this is the Tech list not the OT > list. ;-) > > Jim > > From hans.andersen at phulse.com Sat Sep 29 00:51:13 2012 From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2012 22:51:13 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Wikileaks declared an enemy of the state In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <317DD16A-DD75-4D3F-9539-38E3DCE2293F@phulse.com> Nothing to see here people. Please move along. Try not to make any comparisons to 1984 please. That's right - move along thank you very much. - Hans Sent from my iPhone On 2012-09-28, at 6:42 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > The whistle-blowing web site has been officially classed as a threat equal > to terrorists. Wow. Next in line, I guess, is the threat of freedom of > speech. > > http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2012/09/27 > > -- > Arthur > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Sat Sep 29 10:48:18 2012 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2012 08:48:18 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Google docs removes old Windows formats In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Google online docs no longer supports the older Microsoft formats. This is an ongoing process to update to the newer formats. Not to worry as the OSS formats will always be supported like ODT, RTF, ODS, CSV, SVG, PNG, JPEG, PDF, TXT and HTML. Support for doc, .xls, .ppt and even support for IE8 (and older...couldn't be soon enough) is now gone, as of October. This effectively means if you or your client's are still using XP or older versions of IE, they may have trouble communicating. Jim From accessd at shaw.ca Sat Sep 29 11:00:33 2012 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2012 09:00:33 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Quantum computers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: It appears we are on the road to our first quantum computer. The gates for the quantum computer are but a single atom. They're are still a little unstable, much like the human brain but this is the start of where theory and applied science mets. http://spectrum.ieee.org/computing/hardware/physicists-build-first-singleato m-quantum-bit-in-silicon Jim From bheid at sc.rr.com Sat Sep 29 16:25:10 2012 From: bheid at sc.rr.com (Bobby Heid) Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2012 17:25:10 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Server harddrive updates In-Reply-To: <31DBD5124A6C4DAD830FC1A1F0AC3AF0@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: , <016e01cd1760$5c7679e0$15636da0$@mattysconsulting.com>, <7F258A947BDA4B1DB53497FF02E64157@creativesystemdesigns.com><5063A7E6.2040.F91EDE8@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <330349EA46FB4B058C07B6CCD37A2590@creativesystemdesigns.com> <31DBD5124A6C4DAD830FC1A1F0AC3AF0@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <001201cd9e88$e80bca00$b8235e00$@sc.rr.com> What about something like SpinRite? Bobby -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 4:45 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Server harddrive updates I have had to do updates on one of my servers. The server, in question, has 4 x 2TB drives and the time it takes to run a full check-disk is about 6 hours. In the meantime, I have had to re-direct to a friends site to maintain all of the web support. Question: Is there anyway, software package, or method to run in the background as the system will currently only do a thorough check-disk in boot mode which means the whole server is effective down until the process is completed. TIA Jim _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Sat Sep 29 18:57:16 2012 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2012 16:57:16 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Server harddrive updates In-Reply-To: <001201cd9e88$e80bca00$b8235e00$@sc.rr.com> References: , <016e01cd1760$5c7679e0$15636da0$@mattysconsulting.com>, <7F258A947BDA4B1DB53497FF02E64157@creativesystemdesigns.com><5063A7E6.2040.F91EDE8@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <330349EA46FB4B058C07B6CCD37A2590@creativesystemdesigns.com><31DBD5124A6C4DAD830FC1A1F0AC3AF0@creativesystemdesigns.com> <001201cd9e88$e80bca00$b8235e00$@sc.rr.com> Message-ID: <5D3056AA997C4374A77E712C822AA4AD@creativesystemdesigns.com> It is a great program but on a large capacity disk it either bails or takes days. :-( Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bobby Heid Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2012 2:25 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Server harddrive updates What about something like SpinRite? Bobby -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 4:45 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Server harddrive updates I have had to do updates on one of my servers. The server, in question, has 4 x 2TB drives and the time it takes to run a full check-disk is about 6 hours. In the meantime, I have had to re-direct to a friends site to maintain all of the web support. Question: Is there anyway, software package, or method to run in the background as the system will currently only do a thorough check-disk in boot mode which means the whole server is effective down until the process is completed. TIA Jim _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Sat Sep 29 19:08:20 2012 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2012 17:08:20 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Server harddrive updates In-Reply-To: <024801cd9cf5$7ea3ff90$7bebfeb0$@winhaven.net> References: , <016e01cd1760$5c7679e0$15636da0$@mattysconsulting.com>, <7F258A947BDA4B1DB53497FF02E64157@creativesystemdesigns.com><5063A7E6.2040.F91EDE8@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <330349EA46FB4B058C07B6CCD37A2590@creativesystemdesigns.com><31DBD5124A6C4DAD830FC1A1F0AC3AF0@creativesystemdesigns.com> <024801cd9cf5$7ea3ff90$7bebfeb0$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: <7304A14A5817463D9F59DD14CC52A064@creativesystemdesigns.com> That is a possibility, but we are still stuck with the main system being shut down for an extended time. I have been looking at "shadow-copied" drives. The one issues is that you are not supposed to Shadow-copy your boot drive as it slows the system down and to subsequently add the feature would takes a long time to add. The other data drives can be processed as the data can be moved off, to a backup drive and processed separately... I guess the only real solution is to have a fall-over server that is setup as a backup domain controller and then update main controller while off line. Do you have any experience with managing the principle domain and backup domain controller especially when you are using Active-Directory? (I understand there are a number of "gotcas" but don't know them all.) Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 2:17 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Server harddrive updates Could you boot from a smaller SSD? (Then you can do a check disk on the larger drives anytime.) -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 3:45 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Server harddrive updates I have had to do updates on one of my servers. The server, in question, has 4 x 2TB drives and the time it takes to run a full check-disk is about 6 hours. In the meantime, I have had to re-direct to a friends site to maintain all of the web support. Question: Is there anyway, software package, or method to run in the background as the system will currently only do a thorough check-disk in boot mode which means the whole server is effective down until the process is completed. TIA Jim _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From hans.andersen at phulse.com Sat Sep 29 19:35:05 2012 From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen) Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2012 17:35:05 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Google docs removes old Windows formats In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: It's about time :) - Hans Sent from my iPhone On 2012-09-29, at 8:48 AM, "Jim Lawrence" wrote: > Google online docs no longer supports the older Microsoft formats. This is > an ongoing process to update to the newer formats. Not to worry as the OSS > formats will always be supported like ODT, RTF, ODS, CSV, SVG, PNG, JPEG, > PDF, TXT and HTML. > > Support for doc, .xls, .ppt and even support for IE8 (and older...couldn't > be soon enough) is now gone, as of October. This effectively means if you or > your client's are still using XP or older versions of IE, they may have > trouble communicating. > > Jim > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Sun Sep 30 20:10:44 2012 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2012 18:10:44 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Addressing Chinese Message-ID: <1928C96AB98447B5AEA1EF150801E8F9@HAL9007> I received a lead from Sony Electronics Singapore for an evaluation copy of my system. I want to call to follow up with the requestor by phone. Her name is Yen Cheng Koo. I happen to know it's a she. Does anyone know, when I talk to her, how do I address her? TIA Rocky From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Sun Sep 30 22:30:21 2012 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2012 20:30:21 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Disappearing shortcuts Message-ID: Dear List: I keep each of my clients' work in a separate folder. On my main box and on a backup box. So I fond it convenient to keep shortcuts on my desktop to the active clients on my backup box. When I finished working on their db I just drag and drop onto their shortcut. However, when I reboot, the shortcuts disappear. Very annoying. When I try to access the backup box after rebooting the main box, I have to enter user name and password. Could that be why they're disappearing? Any fix for this? MTIA Rocky