[dba-Tech] The fate of IE

I do not care either, all I want is that a particular browser to work.

I want a browser that is innovative and works for both the consumer and the
developer. The new browsers provide a lot of functionality on the desktop so
the system is not having to always run back to the server for more code. Not
everyone has high speed internet and why shouldn't they have equal access to
functionality and presentation capabilities? New browsers provide
development and functionality not just provide access to complex coding but
also makes the coding easy, fast to design and subsequently inexpensive for
the consumer.

I know you (and all of us) have spent a lot of investment in time and effort
to learn to use and of course we have to defend what we have invested in.
You have no choice but to fully support IE because you are in an insulated
Microsoft shop...probably close to a hundred percent, I would guess.

I have had the luxury of being able to work in all environments so I have
been able to compare and pick and choose. 

I am not saying IE is a bad browser, in fact it is a very good browser.
OTOH, IE just has not innovated as fast (it is also slow running in
comparison) or kept up the to industries standards. Why?...I have no idea.
Maybe you can enlighten me?

I do not count IE out; where there is life there is still hope but I do not
prescribe to philosophy, what is good for Microsoft is good for everyone.
The company needs a real good kick in the ass to get them going and them
losing virtually all of their browser developers might just be the kick they
need.

Jim    

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Martin Reid
Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2012 11:43 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] The fate of IE

We have 5000 plus all using IE. Personally I don't see what the fuss is.
Sites I need work in IE, FF chrome and google

I don't really care what the browser is. As for mobile who in their right
mind wants to do anything on a tiny screen just like the one I am typing
this on.

Martin


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From: Hans-Christian Andersen
Sent: 06/09/2012 18:52
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] The fate of IE

I haven't personally used IE for 6-7 years roughly and I don't know anyone
else who does (for the last 3 companies I've worked at). The current place I
work at (a web company), we design our web apps primarily around Chrome and
Firefox and then fix it to work with IE afterwards. Why? Because they have
far better tools for developers to work with (webkit inspector and firebug)
and they conform more to standards than IE.

I don't see much hope for IE in the future - just a slow decline. Most
companies develop their web apps with an eye on mobile and mobile is
currently dominated by browsers based on the webkit engine (chrome and
safari). IE is more a nuisance than anything else.

It's unfortunate to be stuck in the position of having to use IE because of
a throwback to an era when a poor decision was made to only support IE (I
can think of one I worked for a long time ago that betted heavily on
ActiveX. LOL!), but its a changing landscape and you have to keep up with
the times or get left behind. Microsoft should follow the same model as
everyone else is doing with rolling releases of their browsers rather than
big releases (IE 6, 7, 8, 9, etc).

Personally, I would prefer it if Microsoft got rid of their own trident
engine altogether and adopt Webkit. I just don't see the point of them
having to do it their own way. I don't know if it's pride or ego or whatnot,
but it's an inconvenience for us web developers.

- Hans


On 2012-09-05, at 12:13 PM, "Jon Tydda" <jon at tydda.plus.com> wrote:

> Not designing for IE is a big mistake IMO. Many companies have bespoke
> applications that ONLY work in IE, therefore they don't allow other
browsers
> to be used.
>
> My company is one such example. I've been looking into licencing at all
the
> UK sites this week, so I happen to have the figures. We have approx. 1000
> PCs. All bar one has IE8. Mine is the one with IE9 on it. We have 2 Chrome
> installations  (both in the IT department), and 19 Firefox (there are 12
> different versions of Firefox on those 19 computers!).
>
>
> Jon
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos
> Sent: 05 September 2012 19:56
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] The fate of IE
>
> I still find sites that don't work right unless I use IE.
>
> GK
>
> On Wed, Sep 5, 2012 at 12:19 PM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
>
>> Microsoft's IE is still doing well in the percentage of use by users.
>>
>> After all, it comes automatically on every Windows computer and given
>> many users laziness or just fear of trying anything new, may be the
>> only thing that is saving it.
>>
>> What has changed is that it has finally become clear that most web
>> developers have abandoned doing work on the browser. It has just
>> become too expensive. According to the attached article, only about 16
>> percent of developers are now actively supporting the IE product line.
>>
>> If this trend continues, eventually, whether the basic Windows
>> consumer wishes it or not, they will find themselves having to move to
>> other browsers if they wish to enjoy any of the modern content
>> delivery applications.
>>
>> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/09/04/internet_explorer/
>>
>> For me as a web developer, either the re-developement of IE, to
>> industry standards or IE's demise, couldn't happen soon enough.
>>
>> Jim
>>
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