From paul.hartland at googlemail.com  Mon Apr  1 04:29:00 2013
From: paul.hartland at googlemail.com (Paul Hartland)
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2013 10:29:00 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Remote numerical keypad to send a message
In-Reply-To: <5158B8FF.10017.55B13969@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <CALGJE960tOCbyiF7aFeAZ0qW3igZvcM-k4JYq+rLgS6pYuVM3g@mail.gmail.com>
	<5158B8FF.10017.55B13969@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <CALGJE97sJ-S0uMaS0tCh=nsNqA4=3xrgzb3RNV0JnRgN+bQDJg@mail.gmail.com>

Stuart,

Hope the sailing weekend was good.

A bit more of the idea, in a centrally located office I will have a piece
of software looking for new emails coming in, when an email comes in it
will grab the line of text and put it into a table those bits I can do.

The numeric keypad (or now possibly thinking card reader) unit can't be
connected to anything else as some of the homes may not have PC's, it will
have to be self emcompassing being able to send it's own email or sms
possibly using mobile phone technology.  When a user enters a number (or
now possibly scans a card) I need to unit to send a single line of text
(UNITSERIALNO|USERNO|DATETIME) to the centrally located office location, I
think it may utilise some type of access and time managment hardward which
I found in one of your links.

Paul














On 31 March 2013 23:30, Stuart McLachlan <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg> wrote:

> Hi Paul,
>
> Just back from a sailing weekend so haven't seen this til now
>
> What exactly do you mean by a "keypad"?
>
> Something like these?
>
> http://catalogs.indiamart.com/products/handheld-terminal.html
>
> or just one of these?
>
>
> http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/category/category_slc.asp?MfrId=0&CatId=536
>
>
> What will the keypad be connecting to?
> What sort of connection?  Wired/wireless
>
>
> --
> Stuart
>
> On 29 Mar 2013 at 21:15, Paul Hartland wrote:
>
> > To all,
> >
> > I have an idea and I am hoping the one part of it or something very
> similar
> > already exists.  I want a numerical keypad that when the * or # key is
> > pressed it can sent a line of text to a table on a database.
> >
> > My first thought would be that if it would send an email or sms (if sms
> > could go through a 3rd party to convert to email), then I could write an
> > app to scan the email address every so often and put the line of text
> into
> > my table, which I have done before.
> >
> > So basically I need to know if any of you know if such a keypad unit
> > exists, they would be site based i.e. could be in a home or office.
> >
> > If anyone can help or point me in the right direction I would be
> grateful/
> >
> >
> > --
> > Paul Hartland
> > paul.hartland at googlemail.com
> > _______________________________________________
> > dba-Tech mailing list
> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
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> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>



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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Mon Apr  1 16:34:19 2013
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2013 07:34:19 +1000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Remote numerical keypad to send a message
In-Reply-To: <CALGJE97sJ-S0uMaS0tCh=nsNqA4=3xrgzb3RNV0JnRgN+bQDJg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALGJE960tOCbyiF7aFeAZ0qW3igZvcM-k4JYq+rLgS6pYuVM3g@mail.gmail.com>,
	<5158B8FF.10017.55B13969@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>,
	<CALGJE97sJ-S0uMaS0tCh=nsNqA4=3xrgzb3RNV0JnRgN+bQDJg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5159FD5B.3606.5AA441BD@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

That certainly doesn't sound like anything a simple keypad can do.  You clearly need 
something which is programmable with WIFI or GSM capability to connect to the internet.

Will it be a fixed installtion wired into  mains power ?



On 1 Apr 2013 at 10:29, Paul Hartland wrote:

> Stuart,
> 
> Hope the sailing weekend was good.
> 
> A bit more of the idea, in a centrally located office I will have a piece
> of software looking for new emails coming in, when an email comes in it
> will grab the line of text and put it into a table those bits I can do.
> 
> The numeric keypad (or now possibly thinking card reader) unit can't be
> connected to anything else as some of the homes may not have PC's, it will
> have to be self emcompassing being able to send it's own email or sms
> possibly using mobile phone technology.  When a user enters a number (or
> now possibly scans a card) I need to unit to send a single line of text
> (UNITSERIALNO|USERNO|DATETIME) to the centrally located office location, I
> think it may utilise some type of access and time managment hardward which
> I found in one of your links.
> 
> Paul
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 31 March 2013 23:30, Stuart McLachlan <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg> wrote:
> 
> > Hi Paul,
> >
> > Just back from a sailing weekend so haven't seen this til now
> >
> > What exactly do you mean by a "keypad"?
> >
> > Something like these?
> >
> > http://catalogs.indiamart.com/products/handheld-terminal.html
> >
> > or just one of these?
> >
> >
> > http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/category/category_slc.asp?MfrId=0&CatId=536
> >
> >
> > What will the keypad be connecting to?
> > What sort of connection?  Wired/wireless
> >
> >
> > --
> > Stuart
> >
> > On 29 Mar 2013 at 21:15, Paul Hartland wrote:
> >
> > > To all,
> > >
> > > I have an idea and I am hoping the one part of it or something very
> > similar
> > > already exists.  I want a numerical keypad that when the * or # key is
> > > pressed it can sent a line of text to a table on a database.
> > >
> > > My first thought would be that if it would send an email or sms (if sms
> > > could go through a 3rd party to convert to email), then I could write an
> > > app to scan the email address every so often and put the line of text
> > into
> > > my table, which I have done before.
> > >
> > > So basically I need to know if any of you know if such a keypad unit
> > > exists, they would be site based i.e. could be in a home or office.
> > >
> > > If anyone can help or point me in the right direction I would be
> > grateful/
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Paul Hartland
> > > paul.hartland at googlemail.com
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > dba-Tech mailing list
> > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > dba-Tech mailing list
> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Paul Hartland
> paul.hartland at googlemail.com
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 



From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Mon Apr  1 20:02:02 2013
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2013 21:02:02 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Excel rates
In-Reply-To: <0B7D8A9A35D24445BF355C9589677F41@HAL9007>
References: <AA8F5EF605B146CFA5FFD0D0008E5EA8@SusanHarkins>
	<CAEPJO1gGygGsBRVaK=G5nJjscJZj3=o5M+cfOi8zPt0AUWncbw@mail.gmail.com>
	<2D00D12FDFE740E7AE8C1BFFB006C036@SusanHarkins>
	<0B7D8A9A35D24445BF355C9589677F41@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1hzqgy2hkz8tbOD04dop6vKVg96=ChjHogFd5tenw9Mng@mail.gmail.com>

Susan,

Who is more famous than you on this list? You have done more work for this
community than just about anyone I could name, so shut up and accept the
accolades, or else I might have to think of something else, and I don't
think that I have the NRG. So let's just accept it, Susan. Yo smaht, yo
beautiful. yo prolific, etc. Live with it. I might put some gansta spin on
dat but this might the inappropriate venue for such language. Deal with it,
Susan. You're famous, you a legend.


On Sun, Mar 31, 2013 at 8:01 PM, Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>wrote:

> $75-100 and hour?   I wouldn't go lower than that.
>
> R
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
> Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2013 7:37 AM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Excel rates
>
> I'm famous? Awwwwwwwww.... go on with ya! :)
>
> <sigh>
>
> Thank you, but you really didn't help. :)
>
> 1.) Mostly my pjs as I work from home and am more retired than not now -- I
> don't get up and get dressed to walk across the hall to my office anymore.
> 2.) I remember b.) well.
> 3.) That and a $1 won't even get me a cup of coffee at Starbucks, but thank
> you. I am -- that was sweet of you. :)
>
> Susan H.
>
>
> > There are several answers, and I have not bothered to sort them.
> >
> > a) Depends on what you're wearing to the gig.
> > b) If it's really been several years, then bill high but be prepared
> > to put in 4-5 times the hours you consider billable (the others will
> > be consumed in research).
> > c) You are famous so that's worth an additional $25/hour at minimum.
> >
> > A.
>
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Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
  -- Niels Bohr

From john at winhaven.net  Tue Apr  2 00:11:40 2013
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2013 00:11:40 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Micropulses: a New Threat to Internet Security?
Message-ID: <010f01ce2f60$8f5d10d0$ae173270$@winhaven.net>

For your consideration:
http://www.sitepoint.com/micropulses-internet-security-threat/





From paul.hartland at googlemail.com  Tue Apr  2 00:42:15 2013
From: paul.hartland at googlemail.com (Paul Hartland)
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2013 06:42:15 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Remote numerical keypad to send a message
In-Reply-To: <5159FD5B.3606.5AA441BD@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <CALGJE960tOCbyiF7aFeAZ0qW3igZvcM-k4JYq+rLgS6pYuVM3g@mail.gmail.com>
	<5158B8FF.10017.55B13969@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<CALGJE97sJ-S0uMaS0tCh=nsNqA4=3xrgzb3RNV0JnRgN+bQDJg@mail.gmail.com>
	<5159FD5B.3606.5AA441BD@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <CALGJE94zWA0ApSbsQJKY+_X6Y+9+2wud33NaBsX6SVxheic-7g@mail.gmail.com>

At the moment I am hoping it will have its own battery power supply, just a
single unit whether it be a numerical keypad or a card reader, I am
definitely starting to think that it will have to have WIFI or GSM
capabilities.


On 1 April 2013 22:34, Stuart McLachlan <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg> wrote:

> That certainly doesn't sound like anything a simple keypad can do.  You
> clearly need
> something which is programmable with WIFI or GSM capability to connect to
> the internet.
>
> Will it be a fixed installtion wired into  mains power ?
>
>
>
> On 1 Apr 2013 at 10:29, Paul Hartland wrote:
>
> > Stuart,
> >
> > Hope the sailing weekend was good.
> >
> > A bit more of the idea, in a centrally located office I will have a piece
> > of software looking for new emails coming in, when an email comes in it
> > will grab the line of text and put it into a table those bits I can do.
> >
> > The numeric keypad (or now possibly thinking card reader) unit can't be
> > connected to anything else as some of the homes may not have PC's, it
> will
> > have to be self emcompassing being able to send it's own email or sms
> > possibly using mobile phone technology.  When a user enters a number (or
> > now possibly scans a card) I need to unit to send a single line of text
> > (UNITSERIALNO|USERNO|DATETIME) to the centrally located office location,
> I
> > think it may utilise some type of access and time managment hardward
> which
> > I found in one of your links.
> >
> > Paul
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 31 March 2013 23:30, Stuart McLachlan <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Paul,
> > >
> > > Just back from a sailing weekend so haven't seen this til now
> > >
> > > What exactly do you mean by a "keypad"?
> > >
> > > Something like these?
> > >
> > > http://catalogs.indiamart.com/products/handheld-terminal.html
> > >
> > > or just one of these?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/category/category_slc.asp?MfrId=0&CatId=536
> > >
> > >
> > > What will the keypad be connecting to?
> > > What sort of connection?  Wired/wireless
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Stuart
> > >
> > > On 29 Mar 2013 at 21:15, Paul Hartland wrote:
> > >
> > > > To all,
> > > >
> > > > I have an idea and I am hoping the one part of it or something very
> > > similar
> > > > already exists.  I want a numerical keypad that when the * or # key
> is
> > > > pressed it can sent a line of text to a table on a database.
> > > >
> > > > My first thought would be that if it would send an email or sms (if
> sms
> > > > could go through a 3rd party to convert to email), then I could
> write an
> > > > app to scan the email address every so often and put the line of text
> > > into
> > > > my table, which I have done before.
> > > >
> > > > So basically I need to know if any of you know if such a keypad unit
> > > > exists, they would be site based i.e. could be in a home or office.
> > > >
> > > > If anyone can help or point me in the right direction I would be
> > > grateful/
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Paul Hartland
> > > > paul.hartland at googlemail.com
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > dba-Tech mailing list
> > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > dba-Tech mailing list
> > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Paul Hartland
> > paul.hartland at googlemail.com
> > _______________________________________________
> > dba-Tech mailing list
> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
>
>
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>



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From jon at tydda.plus.com  Tue Apr  2 04:15:53 2013
From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda)
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2013 10:15:53 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Micropulses: a New Threat to Internet Security?
In-Reply-To: <010f01ce2f60$8f5d10d0$ae173270$@winhaven.net>
References: <010f01ce2f60$8f5d10d0$ae173270$@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <000e01ce2f82$ade234a0$09a69de0$@tydda.plus.com>

Now that's funny :-)


Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow
Sent: 02 April 2013 06:12
To: DBA-Tech
Subject: [dba-Tech] Micropulses: a New Threat to Internet Security?

For your consideration:
http://www.sitepoint.com/micropulses-internet-security-threat/




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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Tue Apr  2 04:26:53 2013
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2013 19:26:53 +1000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Micropulses: a New Threat to Internet Security?
In-Reply-To: <010f01ce2f60$8f5d10d0$ae173270$@winhaven.net>
References: <010f01ce2f60$8f5d10d0$ae173270$@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <515AA45D.27764.5D30A9A0@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Sorry, too late.  It's April 2 already :-) 

On 2 Apr 2013 at 0:11, John Bartow wrote:

> For your consideration:
> http://www.sitepoint.com/micropulses-internet-security-threat/
> 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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>



From jeff.developer at gmail.com  Tue Apr  2 09:43:22 2013
From: jeff.developer at gmail.com (Jeff B)
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2013 09:43:22 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Older Access Books (Cross Posted)
Message-ID: <!&!LgAAAAAAAACMBVANySzIR5LlMHhcaM5pAQDi+/ClHSoyTJC6FsVmNmptAAAAAC7fAABGAAAAAAAAAIwFUA3JLMhHkuUweFxozmkHAOL78KUdKjJMkLoWxWY2am0AAAAALt8AAEovCgi2kmNBi9JRWDayxtEAAAyxdSIAAAAAAAAQAAAA7OT91E6P8Ey8klMJEmBkhAEAAAAA@gmail.com>

Anyone know what I can do with old Access books (like the Access 2000
Developer?s Handbook)?

I also have some unused MCSD / MCSA books (I bought them for myself, then
signed up for a Boot Camp and they used the exact same books so I wound up
with two sets)


Jeff Barrows
MCP, MCAD, MCSD
?
Outbak Technologies, LLC
Racine, WI
jeff.developer at gmail.com




From jeff.developer at gmail.com  Tue Apr  2 09:40:43 2013
From: jeff.developer at gmail.com (Jeff B)
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2013 09:40:43 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Older Access Books (Cross Posted)
Message-ID: <004001ce2fb0$0f3dc8e0$2db95aa0$@gmail.com>

Anyone know what I can do with old Access books (like the Access 2000
Developer's Handbook)?
 
I also have some unused MCSD / MCSA books (I bought them for myself, then
signed up for a Boot Camp and they used the exact same books so I wound up
with two sets)
 
 
Jeff Barrows
MCP, MCAD, MCSD
 
Outbak Technologies, LLC
Racine, WI
 <mailto:jeff at outbaktech.com> jeff.developer at gmail.com
 

From paul.hartland at googlemail.com  Tue Apr  2 09:46:04 2013
From: paul.hartland at googlemail.com (Paul Hartland)
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2013 15:46:04 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Older Access Books (Cross Posted)
In-Reply-To: <!&!LgAAAAAAAACMBVANySzIR5LlMHhcaM5pAQDi+/ClHSoyTJC6FsVmNmptAAAAAC7fAABGAAAAAAAAAIwFUA3JLMhHkuUweFxozmkHAOL78KUdKjJMkLoWxWY2am0AAAAALt8AAEovCgi2kmNBi9JRWDayxtEAAAyxdSIAAAAAAAAQAAAA7OT91E6P8Ey8klMJEmBkhAEAAAAA@gmail.com>
References: <!&!LgAAAAAAAACMBVANySzIR5LlMHhcaM5pAQDi+/ClHSoyTJC6FsVmNmptAAAAAC7fAABGAAAAAAAAAIwFUA3JLMhHkuUweFxozmkHAOL78KUdKjJMkLoWxWY2am0AAAAALt8AAEovCgi2kmNBi9JRWDayxtEAAAyxdSIAAAAAAAAQAAAA7OT91E6P8Ey8klMJEmBkhAEAAAAA@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALGJE94+KSs40SYpnL=Won3DVEO=8eVSbi5VSBan5qaOwfDS+Q@mail.gmail.com>

Ebay, charity shops, offer them for sale on here or give them away, depends
on what you want for them


On 2 April 2013 15:43, Jeff B <jeff.developer at gmail.com> wrote:

> Anyone know what I can do with old Access books (like the Access 2000
> Developer?s Handbook)?
>
> I also have some unused MCSD / MCSA books (I bought them for myself, then
> signed up for a Boot Camp and they used the exact same books so I wound up
> with two sets)
>
>
> Jeff Barrows
> MCP, MCAD, MCSD
>
> Outbak Technologies, LLC
> Racine, WI
> jeff.developer at gmail.com
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From df.waters at comcast.net  Tue Apr  2 11:35:30 2013
From: df.waters at comcast.net (Dan Waters)
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2013 11:35:30 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Hosting a .Net App (X-Posted)
Message-ID: <002f01ce2fc0$176f9ce0$464ed6a0$@comcast.net>

One of my customers has a parent company which contracted with a computer
services company (let's call them CSC).  That company is responsible for all
things PC, network, servers, security, etc.  They have single tool: a 5 lb.
sledge.

 

The latest is that they've 'hardened' all the servers at my client's
location.  But what they really did was to quarantine them.  Which means
that no one, including me, can use remote desktop to get at my system and
data tables.   I am literally locked out.  Their answer is that people can
still get at the files, they just can't remote in.  This absolutely does not
work for me at all (think running access across the internet).
Unfortunately, my client is as frustrated as I am because they have zero
input on this (and many other things) and zero control to prevent it.

 

So I was thinking that perhaps I could host my .Net Windows forms click-once
desktop app on a hosted server.  The people at my client could log into the
server using VPN or something similar, and then run my published app.  This
concept already works because if they are off site they can log into their
network using VPN and then just open my app - which runs just as quickly
remotely as it does locally.  And I could log in using something equivalent
to VPN/Remote Desktop to make needed changes.

 

Can anyone provide any thoughts on this?  I do have a website hosted via
GoDaddy so I'm going to talk with them also.

 

 

Thanks!

Dan Waters

 


From ssharkins at gmail.com  Tue Apr  2 13:29:00 2013
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2013 14:29:00 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Excel rates
References: <AA8F5EF605B146CFA5FFD0D0008E5EA8@SusanHarkins><CAEPJO1gGygGsBRVaK=G5nJjscJZj3=o5M+cfOi8zPt0AUWncbw@mail.gmail.com><2D00D12FDFE740E7AE8C1BFFB006C036@SusanHarkins><0B7D8A9A35D24445BF355C9589677F41@HAL9007>
	<CAEPJO1hzqgy2hkz8tbOD04dop6vKVg96=ChjHogFd5tenw9Mng@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AA8292BAA5904606B9AC4EF76EAEBC64@SusanHarkins>

Well, you made me laugh. :) Grandma Gansta -- I mean... what a concept! :)

I don't feel famous, the idea is... silly to me, but I thank you for the 
nice compliment. I do get a lot of email from people needing help. It's 
usually simple stuff and I help when I can -- and those requests have 
increased a lot over the last year. I'm wondering why -- more users or more 
untrained users? Curious.

Susan H.


> Susan,
>
> Who is more famous than you on this list? You have done more work for this
> community than just about anyone I could name, so shut up and accept the
> accolades, or else I might have to think of something else, and I don't
> think that I have the NRG. So let's just accept it, Susan. Yo smaht, yo
> beautiful. yo prolific, etc. Live with it. I might put some gansta spin on
> dat but this might the inappropriate venue for such language. Deal with 
> it,
> Susan. You're famous, you a legend.


From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Tue Apr  2 17:48:18 2013
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2013 15:48:18 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Wise Installation System Version 9
Message-ID: <6BC8DD176D0E4E86AE726472D88C46F4@HAL9007>

I have been using the Wise/Sagekey combo to package my commercial product -
E-Z-MRP - which was recently acquired.  
 
The new owner needs the Wise Installation System Version 9 but I can't find
it anywhere.  There's not even one for sale on EBay which is surprising.
Apparently the product has been 'end-of-lifed' by Symantec which acquired
Altiris which acquired Wise.
 
Does anybody know where we can get one cheap?  All he needs is the Standard
Version.
 
MTIA
 
Rocky
 

From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Wed Apr  3 05:42:54 2013
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2013 06:42:54 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Any Way To Escape Facebook?
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1gzk_-8vZFQ4ePkKAtPRHxxxEncf13HPP7nijxWVbADqQ@mail.gmail.com>

I thought that I had escaped this evil witch, but apparently not. I want to
escape Facebook once and for all and to evaporate all traces that I ever
made the mistake of thinking that this might be interesting. It is NOT
interesting. I want out! I want never to hear another communication from
anything or anyone related to Facebook. I hate this site and everything it
stands for and I want out out out and permanently out. Can anyone tell me
to achivieve this? I have tried various solutions and still I receive crap
from said site. I want to be Gone and never thought of again. Can you
advise how I might achieve this? I'm going insane with crap from Facebook.
Please help me nuke this mofo. This is the worst plague in my life. I HATE
HATE HATE Facebook.

Unless I was unclear, every single thing that Facebook represents is what I
regard as an assault on my privacy and my selected community of equals, and
a bunch more other things. I hate Facebook even more than I hate racist
mofos dedicated to various causes. I think that Facebook is an Evil
creation created by a man with serious social problems, and I want to
remove myself forever from its presence, and that is apparently not a
simple task.

This sickens me. I wish I had the resources to launch a class-action
lawsuit against these people, but I don't. so that's just farting in the
wind. I want a way out of Facebook and every other similar "resource" --
emphasis on the irony -- these fuckers are only interested in exploiiting
the community, and contribute Nothing! Get the fork away from me, all you
bloodsuckers. I want absolutely NO particpation in your ostensible
communities! I want you leeches to be heated with a hot iron and to die and
never again visit my feet.

There is a larger picture here, and it's time that someone talked about it.
I guess that it's up to me. The corporatization of the net is the death of
the net. There. I said it. The net started out as an Information Machine
but it has been co-opted into a marketing machine. This is the most tragic
outcome possible. What began as a machine for democracy has turned into a
marketing machine. What began as "Freedom of Information" has turned into
"Information for Money". This, frankly, makes me puke. I know that I am not
going to win this war; they have drones and other evil weapons against
which I have little or no chance. All I can do is raise a flag and then die
when a drone hits me.

But before the drone hits, I need this to be said. Once upon a time, the
internet promised a democratic future. Unfortunately, the corporations beat
us to the punch. The internet is now owned by them, and it is going to take
a huge rebellion to overcome this.

I don't think that I shall be able to resist the black heliocopters lurking
over my apartment. I think that they are going to win this battle, and that
I shall be dead within this week or this month at best. They are hovering.
This may be my last Send.

If there is any last message that I want to send, it's this:
Please get off Facebook any other similar thing. Get off it right now.
Change all your email addresses etc. and get OFF THE MAP! Do it right
fucking now or suffer the consequences. Trust me, I know what the
consquences are. I have been there and done that, and if you leave one
single trace, I can find you and all your relatves, and if you think for
one minute that is complex, try me. I can fin your second cousin's second
child, in a heartbeat. This has become trivial.

I didn't say I was looking. Far from it. I am not that kind of person, and
I'm confident that most of you listers who know me would attest to that.
But that is not the point. I'm just saying that that everything you share
is a potential liability, which may affect your children, with hideous
outcomes.

I thought that I knew a way to escape Facebook but apparently I was wrong,
because despite my best attempts I still receive mail from this despicable
organization.

-- 
Arthur
Cell: 647.710.1314

Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
  -- Niels Bohr

From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Apr  3 07:04:26 2013
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2013 14:04:26 +0200
Subject: [dba-Tech] Any Way To Escape Facebook?
Message-ID: <004401ce3063$63972b30$2ac58190$@cactus.dk>

Hi Arthur

Do I get the impression that F...B... is not for you?

>From time to time I've felt tempted to sign up but have so far resisted -
you may help me to keep it that way.
I only have a lurker account linked to an anonymous gmail account - for this
purpose only and with no forwarding.

Didn't you, by the way, have the same experience with linked-in? Lots of
spam and little fun.

Personally, I wouldn't know where to find hours and hours for browsing and
commenting on these "social" sites. Perhaps the biggest crime of F...B... is
the theft of good productive hours from the victims (users).

/gustav


-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Arthur Fuller
Sendt: 3. april 2013 12:43
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Emne: [dba-Tech] Any Way To Escape Facebook?

I thought that I had escaped this evil witch, but apparently not. I want to
escape Facebook once and for all and to evaporate all traces that I ever
made the mistake of thinking that this might be interesting. It is NOT
interesting. I want out! I want never to hear another communication from
anything or anyone related to Facebook. I hate this site and everything it
stands for and I want out out out and permanently out. Can anyone tell me to
achivieve this? I have tried various solutions and still I receive crap from
said site. I want to be Gone and never thought of again. Can you advise how
I might achieve this? I'm going insane with crap from Facebook.
Please help me nuke this mofo. This is the worst plague in my life. I HATE
HATE HATE Facebook.

Unless I was unclear, every single thing that Facebook represents is what I
regard as an assault on my privacy and my selected community of equals, and
a bunch more other things. I hate Facebook even more than I hate racist
mofos dedicated to various causes. I think that Facebook is an Evil creation
created by a man with serious social problems, and I want to remove myself
forever from its presence, and that is apparently not a simple task.

This sickens me. I wish I had the resources to launch a class-action lawsuit
against these people, but I don't. so that's just farting in the wind. I
want a way out of Facebook and every other similar "resource" -- emphasis on
the irony -- these fuckers are only interested in exploiiting the community,
and contribute Nothing! Get the fork away from me, all you bloodsuckers. I
want absolutely NO particpation in your ostensible communities! I want you
leeches to be heated with a hot iron and to die and never again visit my
feet.

There is a larger picture here, and it's time that someone talked about it.
I guess that it's up to me. The corporatization of the net is the death of
the net. There. I said it. The net started out as an Information Machine but
it has been co-opted into a marketing machine. This is the most tragic
outcome possible. What began as a machine for democracy has turned into a
marketing machine. What began as "Freedom of Information" has turned into
"Information for Money". This, frankly, makes me puke. I know that I am not
going to win this war; they have drones and other evil weapons against which
I have little or no chance. All I can do is raise a flag and then die when a
drone hits me.

But before the drone hits, I need this to be said. Once upon a time, the
internet promised a democratic future. Unfortunately, the corporations beat
us to the punch. The internet is now owned by them, and it is going to take
a huge rebellion to overcome this.

I don't think that I shall be able to resist the black heliocopters lurking
over my apartment. I think that they are going to win this battle, and that
I shall be dead within this week or this month at best. They are hovering.
This may be my last Send.

If there is any last message that I want to send, it's this:
Please get off Facebook any other similar thing. Get off it right now.
Change all your email addresses etc. and get OFF THE MAP! Do it right
fucking now or suffer the consequences. Trust me, I know what the
consquences are. I have been there and done that, and if you leave one
single trace, I can find you and all your relatves, and if you think for one
minute that is complex, try me. I can fin your second cousin's second child,
in a heartbeat. This has become trivial.

I didn't say I was looking. Far from it. I am not that kind of person, and
I'm confident that most of you listers who know me would attest to that.
But that is not the point. I'm just saying that that everything you share is
a potential liability, which may affect your children, with hideous
outcomes.

I thought that I knew a way to escape Facebook but apparently I was wrong,
because despite my best attempts I still receive mail from this despicable
organization.

--
Arthur
Cell: 647.710.1314

Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
  -- Niels Bohr 



From hkotsch at arcor.de  Wed Apr  3 07:39:31 2013
From: hkotsch at arcor.de (Helmut Kotsch)
Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2013 14:39:31 +0200
Subject: [dba-Tech] Any Way To Escape Facebook?
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1gzk_-8vZFQ4ePkKAtPRHxxxEncf13HPP7nijxWVbADqQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <JIECLJNJOMBJFEDLONCBMEKGKBAA.hkotsch@arcor.de>

Did you try this link to get out once and for all.
They obviously hide it very good.

https://www.facebook.com/help/contact.php?show_form=delete_account. 

Helmut

-----Ursprungliche Nachricht-----
Von: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]Im Auftrag von Arthur
Fuller
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 3. April 2013 12:43
An: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Betreff: [dba-Tech] Any Way To Escape Facebook?


I thought that I had escaped this evil witch, but apparently not. I want to
escape Facebook once and for all and to evaporate all traces that I ever
made the mistake of thinking that this might be interesting. It is NOT
interesting. I want out! I want never to hear another communication from
anything or anyone related to Facebook. I hate this site and everything it
stands for and I want out out out and permanently out. Can anyone tell me
to achivieve this? I have tried various solutions and still I receive crap
from said site. I want to be Gone and never thought of again. Can you
advise how I might achieve this? I'm going insane with crap from Facebook.
Please help me nuke this mofo. This is the worst plague in my life. I HATE
HATE HATE Facebook.

Unless I was unclear, every single thing that Facebook represents is what I
regard as an assault on my privacy and my selected community of equals, and
a bunch more other things. I hate Facebook even more than I hate racist
mofos dedicated to various causes. I think that Facebook is an Evil
creation created by a man with serious social problems, and I want to
remove myself forever from its presence, and that is apparently not a
simple task.

This sickens me. I wish I had the resources to launch a class-action
lawsuit against these people, but I don't. so that's just farting in the
wind. I want a way out of Facebook and every other similar "resource" --
emphasis on the irony -- these fuckers are only interested in exploiiting
the community, and contribute Nothing! Get the fork away from me, all you
bloodsuckers. I want absolutely NO particpation in your ostensible
communities! I want you leeches to be heated with a hot iron and to die and
never again visit my feet.

There is a larger picture here, and it's time that someone talked about it.
I guess that it's up to me. The corporatization of the net is the death of
the net. There. I said it. The net started out as an Information Machine
but it has been co-opted into a marketing machine. This is the most tragic
outcome possible. What began as a machine for democracy has turned into a
marketing machine. What began as "Freedom of Information" has turned into
"Information for Money". This, frankly, makes me puke. I know that I am not
going to win this war; they have drones and other evil weapons against
which I have little or no chance. All I can do is raise a flag and then die
when a drone hits me.

But before the drone hits, I need this to be said. Once upon a time, the
internet promised a democratic future. Unfortunately, the corporations beat
us to the punch. The internet is now owned by them, and it is going to take
a huge rebellion to overcome this.

I don't think that I shall be able to resist the black heliocopters lurking
over my apartment. I think that they are going to win this battle, and that
I shall be dead within this week or this month at best. They are hovering.
This may be my last Send.

If there is any last message that I want to send, it's this:
Please get off Facebook any other similar thing. Get off it right now.
Change all your email addresses etc. and get OFF THE MAP! Do it right
fucking now or suffer the consequences. Trust me, I know what the
consquences are. I have been there and done that, and if you leave one
single trace, I can find you and all your relatves, and if you think for
one minute that is complex, try me. I can fin your second cousin's second
child, in a heartbeat. This has become trivial.

I didn't say I was looking. Far from it. I am not that kind of person, and
I'm confident that most of you listers who know me would attest to that.
But that is not the point. I'm just saying that that everything you share
is a potential liability, which may affect your children, with hideous
outcomes.

I thought that I knew a way to escape Facebook but apparently I was wrong,
because despite my best attempts I still receive mail from this despicable
organization.

-- 
Arthur
Cell: 647.710.1314

Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
  -- Niels Bohr
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From hkotsch at arcor.de  Wed Apr  3 07:50:45 2013
From: hkotsch at arcor.de (Helmut Kotsch)
Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2013 14:50:45 +0200
Subject: [dba-Tech] Any Way To Escape Facebook?
In-Reply-To: <JIECLJNJOMBJFEDLONCBMEKGKBAA.hkotsch@arcor.de>
Message-ID: <JIECLJNJOMBJFEDLONCBEEKHKBAA.hkotsch@arcor.de>

In addition to my mail below you should know the following.
Once you deleted your account via the link

https://www.facebook.com/help/contact.php?show_form=delete_account

you should not log into the account during the next 14 days.

Otherwise FACEBOOK thinks that you abandoned your "delete" request and want
to stay with facebook.

After the 14 days everything should be gone.

According to the news a lot of especially younger people in Germany as in
the US are leaving facebook.

Helmut


-----Ursprungliche Nachricht-----
Von: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]Im Auftrag von Helmut
Kotsch
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 3. April 2013 14:40
An: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Betreff: Re: [dba-Tech] Any Way To Escape Facebook?


Did you try this link to get out once and for all.
They obviously hide it very good.

https://www.facebook.com/help/contact.php?show_form=delete_account.

Helmut

-----Ursprungliche Nachricht-----
Von: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]Im Auftrag von Arthur
Fuller
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 3. April 2013 12:43
An: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Betreff: [dba-Tech] Any Way To Escape Facebook?


I thought that I had escaped this evil witch, but apparently not. I want to
escape Facebook once and for all and to evaporate all traces that I ever
made the mistake of thinking that this might be interesting. It is NOT
interesting. I want out! I want never to hear another communication from
anything or anyone related to Facebook. I hate this site and everything it
stands for and I want out out out and permanently out. Can anyone tell me
to achivieve this? I have tried various solutions and still I receive crap
from said site. I want to be Gone and never thought of again. Can you
advise how I might achieve this? I'm going insane with crap from Facebook.
Please help me nuke this mofo. This is the worst plague in my life. I HATE
HATE HATE Facebook.

Unless I was unclear, every single thing that Facebook represents is what I
regard as an assault on my privacy and my selected community of equals, and
a bunch more other things. I hate Facebook even more than I hate racist
mofos dedicated to various causes. I think that Facebook is an Evil
creation created by a man with serious social problems, and I want to
remove myself forever from its presence, and that is apparently not a
simple task.

This sickens me. I wish I had the resources to launch a class-action
lawsuit against these people, but I don't. so that's just farting in the
wind. I want a way out of Facebook and every other similar "resource" --
emphasis on the irony -- these fuckers are only interested in exploiiting
the community, and contribute Nothing! Get the fork away from me, all you
bloodsuckers. I want absolutely NO particpation in your ostensible
communities! I want you leeches to be heated with a hot iron and to die and
never again visit my feet.

There is a larger picture here, and it's time that someone talked about it.
I guess that it's up to me. The corporatization of the net is the death of
the net. There. I said it. The net started out as an Information Machine
but it has been co-opted into a marketing machine. This is the most tragic
outcome possible. What began as a machine for democracy has turned into a
marketing machine. What began as "Freedom of Information" has turned into
"Information for Money". This, frankly, makes me puke. I know that I am not
going to win this war; they have drones and other evil weapons against
which I have little or no chance. All I can do is raise a flag and then die
when a drone hits me.

But before the drone hits, I need this to be said. Once upon a time, the
internet promised a democratic future. Unfortunately, the corporations beat
us to the punch. The internet is now owned by them, and it is going to take
a huge rebellion to overcome this.

I don't think that I shall be able to resist the black heliocopters lurking
over my apartment. I think that they are going to win this battle, and that
I shall be dead within this week or this month at best. They are hovering.
This may be my last Send.

If there is any last message that I want to send, it's this:
Please get off Facebook any other similar thing. Get off it right now.
Change all your email addresses etc. and get OFF THE MAP! Do it right
fucking now or suffer the consequences. Trust me, I know what the
consquences are. I have been there and done that, and if you leave one
single trace, I can find you and all your relatves, and if you think for
one minute that is complex, try me. I can fin your second cousin's second
child, in a heartbeat. This has become trivial.

I didn't say I was looking. Far from it. I am not that kind of person, and
I'm confident that most of you listers who know me would attest to that.
But that is not the point. I'm just saying that that everything you share
is a potential liability, which may affect your children, with hideous
outcomes.

I thought that I knew a way to escape Facebook but apparently I was wrong,
because despite my best attempts I still receive mail from this despicable
organization.

--
Arthur
Cell: 647.710.1314

Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
  -- Niels Bohr
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From garykjos at gmail.com  Wed Apr  3 10:01:25 2013
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2013 10:01:25 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Any Way To Escape Facebook?
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1gzk_-8vZFQ4ePkKAtPRHxxxEncf13HPP7nijxWVbADqQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1gzk_-8vZFQ4ePkKAtPRHxxxEncf13HPP7nijxWVbADqQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJ2R_pLAXW7tVHLODx4f59MmL4owkwWY7aVu9++Q_QLFFZVF6Q@mail.gmail.com>

I've been using Facebook for a few years. I don't get ANY emails from
anything related to Facebook. I keep my stuff there pretty well locked
down.

I've reconnected with friends I had lost touch with for 30 or more years
that without this tool I would not have been enjoying these renewed
friendships. I have friends there who I have never met in person - much
like my AccessD and DBA-OT friends.

To each their own. I think you could have just adjusted your security
settings to stop notifying you on anything and to not allow anyone to see
any of your info and you would have been fine with it.  Change the email
address to a bogus one. Tell your current email system that anything coming
from there is spam.  Gmail seems pretty good at catching that kind of
thing.


On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 5:42 AM, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com>wrote:

> I thought that I had escaped this evil witch, but apparently not. I
>

-- 
Gary Kjos
garykjos at gmail.com

From jon.tydda at lonza.com  Wed Apr  3 10:24:54 2013
From: jon.tydda at lonza.com (Tydda Jon - Lonza Slough)
Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2013 17:24:54 +0200
Subject: [dba-Tech] Any Way To Escape Facebook?
In-Reply-To: <CAJ2R_pLAXW7tVHLODx4f59MmL4owkwWY7aVu9++Q_QLFFZVF6Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1gzk_-8vZFQ4ePkKAtPRHxxxEncf13HPP7nijxWVbADqQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJ2R_pLAXW7tVHLODx4f59MmL4owkwWY7aVu9++Q_QLFFZVF6Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2495B56EE0CF824A99F14B2492C85E5D22610997@CHVEX07.lonzagroup.net>

Same here - to stop emails, you just need to change your privacy settings so that you don't get any emails. If you have issues with any apps or games, you can block them, and they won't be able to use any of your data.

People complain about Facebook security, but only because they don't understand it. I have my friends grouped by how I know them, and I can apply permissions accordingly, a bit like Windows groups. I'd done that from the start, so whenever someone new gets added, they get added to another group or they can't see ANYTHING about me.

That's one of the reasons I don't understand the furore about employers looking people up online. If you've set your permissions properly, people who don't know you can't see anything...


Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos
Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2013 4:01 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Any Way To Escape Facebook?

I've been using Facebook for a few years. I don't get ANY emails from anything related to Facebook. I keep my stuff there pretty well locked down.

I've reconnected with friends I had lost touch with for 30 or more years that without this tool I would not have been enjoying these renewed friendships. I have friends there who I have never met in person - much like my AccessD and DBA-OT friends.

To each their own. I think you could have just adjusted your security settings to stop notifying you on anything and to not allow anyone to see any of your info and you would have been fine with it.  Change the email address to a bogus one. Tell your current email system that anything coming from there is spam.  Gmail seems pretty good at catching that kind of thing.


On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 5:42 AM, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com>wrote:

> I thought that I had escaped this evil witch, but apparently not. I
>

--
Gary Kjos
garykjos at gmail.com
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Apr  3 12:43:49 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2013 11:43:49 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Any Way To Escape Facebook?
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1gzk_-8vZFQ4ePkKAtPRHxxxEncf13HPP7nijxWVbADqQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1341528396.80243491.1365011029377.JavaMail.root@cds002>

Hi Arthur:

Everything put on the internet is public. That is its greatest strength and greatest weakness. 

There are going to be huge forces of capital ventures trying to mine virtually unlimited data for financial gain but equally powerful is the social and open source communities. That has always been the way of things and it is not all bad. You just have to dig a little more for the best and just ignore the rest.

Everything is in balance without the bad there could be no good. Don't lose hope spring is coming. :-)

Jim

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To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 3, 2013 3:42:54 AM
Subject: [dba-Tech] Any Way To Escape Facebook?

I thought that I had escaped this evil witch, but apparently not. I want to
escape Facebook once and for all and to evaporate all traces that I ever
made the mistake of thinking that this might be interesting. It is NOT
interesting. I want out! I want never to hear another communication from
anything or anyone related to Facebook. I hate this site and everything it
stands for and I want out out out and permanently out. Can anyone tell me
to achivieve this? I have tried various solutions and still I receive crap
from said site. I want to be Gone and never thought of again. Can you
advise how I might achieve this? I'm going insane with crap from Facebook.
Please help me nuke this mofo. This is the worst plague in my life. I HATE
HATE HATE Facebook.

Unless I was unclear, every single thing that Facebook represents is what I
regard as an assault on my privacy and my selected community of equals, and
a bunch more other things. I hate Facebook even more than I hate racist
mofos dedicated to various causes. I think that Facebook is an Evil
creation created by a man with serious social problems, and I want to
remove myself forever from its presence, and that is apparently not a
simple task.

This sickens me. I wish I had the resources to launch a class-action
lawsuit against these people, but I don't. so that's just farting in the
wind. I want a way out of Facebook and every other similar "resource" --
emphasis on the irony -- these fuckers are only interested in exploiiting
the community, and contribute Nothing! Get the fork away from me, all you
bloodsuckers. I want absolutely NO particpation in your ostensible
communities! I want you leeches to be heated with a hot iron and to die and
never again visit my feet.

There is a larger picture here, and it's time that someone talked about it.
I guess that it's up to me. The corporatization of the net is the death of
the net. There. I said it. The net started out as an Information Machine
but it has been co-opted into a marketing machine. This is the most tragic
outcome possible. What began as a machine for democracy has turned into a
marketing machine. What began as "Freedom of Information" has turned into
"Information for Money". This, frankly, makes me puke. I know that I am not
going to win this war; they have drones and other evil weapons against
which I have little or no chance. All I can do is raise a flag and then die
when a drone hits me.

But before the drone hits, I need this to be said. Once upon a time, the
internet promised a democratic future. Unfortunately, the corporations beat
us to the punch. The internet is now owned by them, and it is going to take
a huge rebellion to overcome this.

I don't think that I shall be able to resist the black heliocopters lurking
over my apartment. I think that they are going to win this battle, and that
I shall be dead within this week or this month at best. They are hovering.
This may be my last Send.

If there is any last message that I want to send, it's this:
Please get off Facebook any other similar thing. Get off it right now.
Change all your email addresses etc. and get OFF THE MAP! Do it right
fucking now or suffer the consequences. Trust me, I know what the
consquences are. I have been there and done that, and if you leave one
single trace, I can find you and all your relatves, and if you think for
one minute that is complex, try me. I can fin your second cousin's second
child, in a heartbeat. This has become trivial.

I didn't say I was looking. Far from it. I am not that kind of person, and
I'm confident that most of you listers who know me would attest to that.
But that is not the point. I'm just saying that that everything you share
is a potential liability, which may affect your children, with hideous
outcomes.

I thought that I knew a way to escape Facebook but apparently I was wrong,
because despite my best attempts I still receive mail from this despicable
organization.

-- 
Arthur
Cell: 647.710.1314

Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
  -- Niels Bohr
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From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Wed Apr  3 13:14:16 2013
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2013 11:14:16 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Any Way To Escape Facebook?
In-Reply-To: <1341528396.80243491.1365011029377.JavaMail.root@cds002>
References: <1341528396.80243491.1365011029377.JavaMail.root@cds002>
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Privacy died long before the Facebook and the Internet even. It's just becoming a lot more obvious to us and there's also a peer pressure component to staying on the grid now.

- Hans


On 2013-04-03, at 10:43 AM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> Hi Arthur:
> 
> Everything put on the internet is public. That is its greatest strength and greatest weakness. 
> 
> There are going to be huge forces of capital ventures trying to mine virtually unlimited data for financial gain but equally powerful is the social and open source communities. That has always been the way of things and it is not all bad. You just have to dig a little more for the best and just ignore the rest.
> 
> Everything is in balance without the bad there could be no good. Don't lose hope spring is coming. :-)
> 
> Jim
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Arthur Fuller" <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 3, 2013 3:42:54 AM
> Subject: [dba-Tech] Any Way To Escape Facebook?
> 
> I thought that I had escaped this evil witch, but apparently not. I want to
> escape Facebook once and for all and to evaporate all traces that I ever
> made the mistake of thinking that this might be interesting. It is NOT
> interesting. I want out! I want never to hear another communication from
> anything or anyone related to Facebook. I hate this site and everything it
> stands for and I want out out out and permanently out. Can anyone tell me
> to achivieve this? I have tried various solutions and still I receive crap
> from said site. I want to be Gone and never thought of again. Can you
> advise how I might achieve this? I'm going insane with crap from Facebook.
> Please help me nuke this mofo. This is the worst plague in my life. I HATE
> HATE HATE Facebook.
> 
> Unless I was unclear, every single thing that Facebook represents is what I
> regard as an assault on my privacy and my selected community of equals, and
> a bunch more other things. I hate Facebook even more than I hate racist
> mofos dedicated to various causes. I think that Facebook is an Evil
> creation created by a man with serious social problems, and I want to
> remove myself forever from its presence, and that is apparently not a
> simple task.
> 
> This sickens me. I wish I had the resources to launch a class-action
> lawsuit against these people, but I don't. so that's just farting in the
> wind. I want a way out of Facebook and every other similar "resource" --
> emphasis on the irony -- these fuckers are only interested in exploiiting
> the community, and contribute Nothing! Get the fork away from me, all you
> bloodsuckers. I want absolutely NO particpation in your ostensible
> communities! I want you leeches to be heated with a hot iron and to die and
> never again visit my feet.
> 
> There is a larger picture here, and it's time that someone talked about it.
> I guess that it's up to me. The corporatization of the net is the death of
> the net. There. I said it. The net started out as an Information Machine
> but it has been co-opted into a marketing machine. This is the most tragic
> outcome possible. What began as a machine for democracy has turned into a
> marketing machine. What began as "Freedom of Information" has turned into
> "Information for Money". This, frankly, makes me puke. I know that I am not
> going to win this war; they have drones and other evil weapons against
> which I have little or no chance. All I can do is raise a flag and then die
> when a drone hits me.
> 
> But before the drone hits, I need this to be said. Once upon a time, the
> internet promised a democratic future. Unfortunately, the corporations beat
> us to the punch. The internet is now owned by them, and it is going to take
> a huge rebellion to overcome this.
> 
> I don't think that I shall be able to resist the black heliocopters lurking
> over my apartment. I think that they are going to win this battle, and that
> I shall be dead within this week or this month at best. They are hovering.
> This may be my last Send.
> 
> If there is any last message that I want to send, it's this:
> Please get off Facebook any other similar thing. Get off it right now.
> Change all your email addresses etc. and get OFF THE MAP! Do it right
> fucking now or suffer the consequences. Trust me, I know what the
> consquences are. I have been there and done that, and if you leave one
> single trace, I can find you and all your relatves, and if you think for
> one minute that is complex, try me. I can fin your second cousin's second
> child, in a heartbeat. This has become trivial.
> 
> I didn't say I was looking. Far from it. I am not that kind of person, and
> I'm confident that most of you listers who know me would attest to that.
> But that is not the point. I'm just saying that that everything you share
> is a potential liability, which may affect your children, with hideous
> outcomes.
> 
> I thought that I knew a way to escape Facebook but apparently I was wrong,
> because despite my best attempts I still receive mail from this despicable
> organization.
> 
> -- 
> Arthur
> Cell: 647.710.1314
> 
> Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
>  -- Niels Bohr
> _______________________________________________
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Fri Apr  5 09:57:07 2013
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2013 10:57:07 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Any Way To Escape Facebook?
In-Reply-To: <945F61A3-55CE-44E7-B960-974A9F3D8E72@phulse.com>
References: <1341528396.80243491.1365011029377.JavaMail.root@cds002>
	<945F61A3-55CE-44E7-B960-974A9F3D8E72@phulse.com>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1hqz3NrLsWvMLH1CjGe9RAJSe1hpXV49Fx3GUtzi7BPtg@mail.gmail.com>

All I want to know is how to get off Facebook, once and forever. A year or
two ago, I had a solution and even posted it. At that time it worked, but
apparently the FaceBookies (hey, I'm going to copyright that LOL) have
outsmarted me and I find myself once again the target of Pokes and other
things that I don't even understand.

I'm over 65. I don't want any attention from anyone who does not come from
the stuff I write here on the various lists within the
DatabaseAdvisorsGroup and a few other leftist-lists to which I belong. but
in short all of social-mediacrity I want OUT OF, and I know nothing short
of abandoning everything I ever joined and starting over, posing (to quote
Tom Waits's classic song, Step Right Up) as a 9-year-old Hindu boy.

A.


On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 2:14 PM, Hans-Christian Andersen <
hans.andersen at phulse.com> wrote:

> Privacy died long before the Facebook and the Internet even. It's just
> becoming a lot more obvious to us and there's also a peer pressure
> component to staying on the grid now.
>
> - Hans
>
>
> On 2013-04-03, at 10:43 AM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
>
> > Hi Arthur:
> >
> > Everything put on the internet is public. That is its greatest strength
> and greatest weakness.
> >
> > There are going to be huge forces of capital ventures trying to mine
> virtually unlimited data for financial gain but equally powerful is the
> social and open source communities. That has always been the way of things
> and it is not all bad. You just have to dig a little more for the best and
> just ignore the rest.
> >
> > Everything is in balance without the bad there could be no good. Don't
> lose hope spring is coming. :-)
> >
> > Jim
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Arthur Fuller" <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
> > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <
> dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 3, 2013 3:42:54 AM
> > Subject: [dba-Tech] Any Way To Escape Facebook?
> >
> > I thought that I had escaped this evil witch, but apparently not. I want
> to
> > escape Facebook once and for all and to evaporate all traces that I ever
> > made the mistake of thinking that this might be interesting. It is NOT
> > interesting. I want out! I want never to hear another communication from
> > anything or anyone related to Facebook. I hate this site and everything
> it
> > stands for and I want out out out and permanently out. Can anyone tell me
> > to achivieve this? I have tried various solutions and still I receive
> crap
> > from said site. I want to be Gone and never thought of again. Can you
> > advise how I might achieve this? I'm going insane with crap from
> Facebook.
> > Please help me nuke this mofo. This is the worst plague in my life. I
> HATE
> > HATE HATE Facebook.
> >
> > Unless I was unclear, every single thing that Facebook represents is
> what I
> > regard as an assault on my privacy and my selected community of equals,
> and
> > a bunch more other things. I hate Facebook even more than I hate racist
> > mofos dedicated to various causes. I think that Facebook is an Evil
> > creation created by a man with serious social problems, and I want to
> > remove myself forever from its presence, and that is apparently not a
> > simple task.
> >
> > This sickens me. I wish I had the resources to launch a class-action
> > lawsuit against these people, but I don't. so that's just farting in the
> > wind. I want a way out of Facebook and every other similar "resource" --
> > emphasis on the irony -- these fuckers are only interested in exploiiting
> > the community, and contribute Nothing! Get the fork away from me, all you
> > bloodsuckers. I want absolutely NO particpation in your ostensible
> > communities! I want you leeches to be heated with a hot iron and to die
> and
> > never again visit my feet.
> >
> > There is a larger picture here, and it's time that someone talked about
> it.
> > I guess that it's up to me. The corporatization of the net is the death
> of
> > the net. There. I said it. The net started out as an Information Machine
> > but it has been co-opted into a marketing machine. This is the most
> tragic
> > outcome possible. What began as a machine for democracy has turned into a
> > marketing machine. What began as "Freedom of Information" has turned into
> > "Information for Money". This, frankly, makes me puke. I know that I am
> not
> > going to win this war; they have drones and other evil weapons against
> > which I have little or no chance. All I can do is raise a flag and then
> die
> > when a drone hits me.
> >
> > But before the drone hits, I need this to be said. Once upon a time, the
> > internet promised a democratic future. Unfortunately, the corporations
> beat
> > us to the punch. The internet is now owned by them, and it is going to
> take
> > a huge rebellion to overcome this.
> >
> > I don't think that I shall be able to resist the black heliocopters
> lurking
> > over my apartment. I think that they are going to win this battle, and
> that
> > I shall be dead within this week or this month at best. They are
> hovering.
> > This may be my last Send.
> >
> > If there is any last message that I want to send, it's this:
> > Please get off Facebook any other similar thing. Get off it right now.
> > Change all your email addresses etc. and get OFF THE MAP! Do it right
> > fucking now or suffer the consequences. Trust me, I know what the
> > consquences are. I have been there and done that, and if you leave one
> > single trace, I can find you and all your relatves, and if you think for
> > one minute that is complex, try me. I can fin your second cousin's second
> > child, in a heartbeat. This has become trivial.
> >
> > I didn't say I was looking. Far from it. I am not that kind of person,
> and
> > I'm confident that most of you listers who know me would attest to that.
> > But that is not the point. I'm just saying that that everything you share
> > is a potential liability, which may affect your children, with hideous
> > outcomes.
> >
> > I thought that I knew a way to escape Facebook but apparently I was
> wrong,
> > because despite my best attempts I still receive mail from this
> despicable
> > organization.
> >
> > --
> > Arthur
> > Cell: 647.710.1314
> >
> > Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
> >  -- Niels Bohr
> > _______________________________________________
> > dba-Tech mailing list
> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
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> > dba-Tech mailing list
> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
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> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
> _______________________________________________
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>



-- 
Arthur
Cell: 647.710.1314

Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
  -- Niels Bohr

From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Fri Apr  5 11:21:56 2013
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2013 12:21:56 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Any Way To Escape Facebook?
In-Reply-To: <CAJ2R_pLAXW7tVHLODx4f59MmL4owkwWY7aVu9++Q_QLFFZVF6Q@mail.gmail.com>
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	<CAJ2R_pLAXW7tVHLODx4f59MmL4owkwWY7aVu9++Q_QLFFZVF6Q@mail.gmail.com>
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Good for you, and I'm happy that it works well for you. Not so good for me
at least, and who knows how many others that I represent in one dot on
their map? Although my surname is Fuller, I do NOT want fuller breasts.
Although my given name is Arthur, I do NOT want ads about books concerning
an alleged king whose principal locale was Camelot.

For the sake of an invited friend, who proposed that I was famous, which I
disputed, but at her insistence I googled myself, and was shocked at the
number of hits. It was about 24M, most of which are derived from
translations of things I wrote into other languages. So, divide that number
by 100, which doesn't even begin to factor in the number of languages in
China or India,


On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 11:01 AM, Gary Kjos <garykjos at gmail.com> wrote:

> I've been using Facebook for a few years. I don't get ANY emails from
> anything related to Facebook. I keep my stuff there pretty well locked
> down.
>
> I've reconnected with friends I had lost touch with for 30 or more years
> that without this tool I would not have been enjoying these renewed
> friendships. I have friends there who I have never met in person - much
> like my AccessD and DBA-OT friends.
>
> To each their own. I think you could have just adjusted your security
> settings to stop notifying you on anything and to not allow anyone to see
> any of your info and you would have been fine with it.  Change the email
> address to a bogus one. Tell your current email system that anything coming
> from there is spam.  Gmail seems pretty good at catching that kind of
> thing.
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 5:42 AM, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com
> >wrote:
>
> > I thought that I had escaped this evil witch, but apparently not. I
> >
>
> --
> Gary Kjos
> garykjos at gmail.com
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>



-- 
Arthur
Cell: 647.710.1314

Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
  -- Niels Bohr

From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Apr  5 12:56:38 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2013 11:56:38 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Any Way To Escape Facebook?
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1hqz3NrLsWvMLH1CjGe9RAJSe1hpXV49Fx3GUtzi7BPtg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1372992914.82264600.1365184598424.JavaMail.root@cds002>

Sorry Arthur, but I think it is one of those things where you will have to abandon the computer all together, travel to some island, with no electricity of any kind and just try to vanish the best you can. 

Privacy as we knew it is dead.

Jim 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Arthur Fuller" <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, April 5, 2013 7:57:07 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Any Way To Escape Facebook?

All I want to know is how to get off Facebook, once and forever. A year or
two ago, I had a solution and even posted it. At that time it worked, but
apparently the FaceBookies (hey, I'm going to copyright that LOL) have
outsmarted me and I find myself once again the target of Pokes and other
things that I don't even understand.

I'm over 65. I don't want any attention from anyone who does not come from
the stuff I write here on the various lists within the
DatabaseAdvisorsGroup and a few other leftist-lists to which I belong. but
in short all of social-mediacrity I want OUT OF, and I know nothing short
of abandoning everything I ever joined and starting over, posing (to quote
Tom Waits's classic song, Step Right Up) as a 9-year-old Hindu boy.

A.


On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 2:14 PM, Hans-Christian Andersen <
hans.andersen at phulse.com> wrote:

> Privacy died long before the Facebook and the Internet even. It's just
> becoming a lot more obvious to us and there's also a peer pressure
> component to staying on the grid now.
>
> - Hans
>
>
> On 2013-04-03, at 10:43 AM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
>
> > Hi Arthur:
> >
> > Everything put on the internet is public. That is its greatest strength
> and greatest weakness.
> >
> > There are going to be huge forces of capital ventures trying to mine
> virtually unlimited data for financial gain but equally powerful is the
> social and open source communities. That has always been the way of things
> and it is not all bad. You just have to dig a little more for the best and
> just ignore the rest.
> >
> > Everything is in balance without the bad there could be no good. Don't
> lose hope spring is coming. :-)
> >
> > Jim
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Arthur Fuller" <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
> > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <
> dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 3, 2013 3:42:54 AM
> > Subject: [dba-Tech] Any Way To Escape Facebook?
> >
> > I thought that I had escaped this evil witch, but apparently not. I want
> to
> > escape Facebook once and for all and to evaporate all traces that I ever
> > made the mistake of thinking that this might be interesting. It is NOT
> > interesting. I want out! I want never to hear another communication from
> > anything or anyone related to Facebook. I hate this site and everything
> it
> > stands for and I want out out out and permanently out. Can anyone tell me
> > to achivieve this? I have tried various solutions and still I receive
> crap
> > from said site. I want to be Gone and never thought of again. Can you
> > advise how I might achieve this? I'm going insane with crap from
> Facebook.
> > Please help me nuke this mofo. This is the worst plague in my life. I
> HATE
> > HATE HATE Facebook.
> >
> > Unless I was unclear, every single thing that Facebook represents is
> what I
> > regard as an assault on my privacy and my selected community of equals,
> and
> > a bunch more other things. I hate Facebook even more than I hate racist
> > mofos dedicated to various causes. I think that Facebook is an Evil
> > creation created by a man with serious social problems, and I want to
> > remove myself forever from its presence, and that is apparently not a
> > simple task.
> >
> > This sickens me. I wish I had the resources to launch a class-action
> > lawsuit against these people, but I don't. so that's just farting in the
> > wind. I want a way out of Facebook and every other similar "resource" --
> > emphasis on the irony -- these fuckers are only interested in exploiiting
> > the community, and contribute Nothing! Get the fork away from me, all you
> > bloodsuckers. I want absolutely NO particpation in your ostensible
> > communities! I want you leeches to be heated with a hot iron and to die
> and
> > never again visit my feet.
> >
> > There is a larger picture here, and it's time that someone talked about
> it.
> > I guess that it's up to me. The corporatization of the net is the death
> of
> > the net. There. I said it. The net started out as an Information Machine
> > but it has been co-opted into a marketing machine. This is the most
> tragic
> > outcome possible. What began as a machine for democracy has turned into a
> > marketing machine. What began as "Freedom of Information" has turned into
> > "Information for Money". This, frankly, makes me puke. I know that I am
> not
> > going to win this war; they have drones and other evil weapons against
> > which I have little or no chance. All I can do is raise a flag and then
> die
> > when a drone hits me.
> >
> > But before the drone hits, I need this to be said. Once upon a time, the
> > internet promised a democratic future. Unfortunately, the corporations
> beat
> > us to the punch. The internet is now owned by them, and it is going to
> take
> > a huge rebellion to overcome this.
> >
> > I don't think that I shall be able to resist the black heliocopters
> lurking
> > over my apartment. I think that they are going to win this battle, and
> that
> > I shall be dead within this week or this month at best. They are
> hovering.
> > This may be my last Send.
> >
> > If there is any last message that I want to send, it's this:
> > Please get off Facebook any other similar thing. Get off it right now.
> > Change all your email addresses etc. and get OFF THE MAP! Do it right
> > fucking now or suffer the consequences. Trust me, I know what the
> > consquences are. I have been there and done that, and if you leave one
> > single trace, I can find you and all your relatves, and if you think for
> > one minute that is complex, try me. I can fin your second cousin's second
> > child, in a heartbeat. This has become trivial.
> >
> > I didn't say I was looking. Far from it. I am not that kind of person,
> and
> > I'm confident that most of you listers who know me would attest to that.
> > But that is not the point. I'm just saying that that everything you share
> > is a potential liability, which may affect your children, with hideous
> > outcomes.
> >
> > I thought that I knew a way to escape Facebook but apparently I was
> wrong,
> > because despite my best attempts I still receive mail from this
> despicable
> > organization.
> >
> > --
> > Arthur
> > Cell: 647.710.1314
> >
> > Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
> >  -- Niels Bohr
> > _______________________________________________
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> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
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Arthur
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Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Apr  5 13:36:30 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2013 12:36:30 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Any Way To Escape Facebook?
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1iqdaKpZdgve1Sgz1RumAkrFoVryRGzXF6KnHUrFQYx6A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7977648.82309665.1365186990772.JavaMail.root@cds002>

Hi Arthur:

I have many hidden talents and live in many places. 

Talents I did not know I had. I am a medical doctor living in a couple of countries simultaneously, a black-smith, an investor, on a travel watch-list but have been doing this all from the Georgia jail cell. 

As long as the government feels I have paid all my taxes, I can deal with my split personalities. ;-)

Do you want to be the only Arthur Fuller? You haven't made it until you have your wiki page...maybe we should make one for you? ;-)
 
Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Arthur Fuller" <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, April 5, 2013 9:21:56 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Any Way To Escape Facebook?

Good for you, and I'm happy that it works well for you. Not so good for me
at least, and who knows how many others that I represent in one dot on
their map? Although my surname is Fuller, I do NOT want fuller breasts.
Although my given name is Arthur, I do NOT want ads about books concerning
an alleged king whose principal locale was Camelot.

For the sake of an invited friend, who proposed that I was famous, which I
disputed, but at her insistence I googled myself, and was shocked at the
number of hits. It was about 24M, most of which are derived from
translations of things I wrote into other languages. So, divide that number
by 100, which doesn't even begin to factor in the number of languages in
China or India,


On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 11:01 AM, Gary Kjos <garykjos at gmail.com> wrote:

> I've been using Facebook for a few years. I don't get ANY emails from
> anything related to Facebook. I keep my stuff there pretty well locked
> down.
>
> I've reconnected with friends I had lost touch with for 30 or more years
> that without this tool I would not have been enjoying these renewed
> friendships. I have friends there who I have never met in person - much
> like my AccessD and DBA-OT friends.
>
> To each their own. I think you could have just adjusted your security
> settings to stop notifying you on anything and to not allow anyone to see
> any of your info and you would have been fine with it.  Change the email
> address to a bogus one. Tell your current email system that anything coming
> from there is spam.  Gmail seems pretty good at catching that kind of
> thing.
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 5:42 AM, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com
> >wrote:
>
> > I thought that I had escaped this evil witch, but apparently not. I
> >
>
> --
> Gary Kjos
> garykjos at gmail.com
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-- 
Arthur
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Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
  -- Niels Bohr
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From peter.brawley at earthlink.net  Fri Apr  5 14:13:23 2013
From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley)
Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2013 14:13:23 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Any Way To Escape Facebook?
In-Reply-To: <1372992914.82264600.1365184598424.JavaMail.root@cds002>
References: <1372992914.82264600.1365184598424.JavaMail.root@cds002>
Message-ID: <515F2253.7010802@earthlink.net>

On 2013-04-05 12:56 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote:
> Sorry Arthur, but I think it is one of those things where you will have to abandon the computer all together, travel to some island, with no electricity of any kind and just try to vanish the best you can.
>
> Privacy as we knew it is dead.

Reading & writing online doesn't entail that we all help FaceBook et al 
monetise all the details of our personal lives.

PB

-----
>
> Jim
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Arthur Fuller" <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Friday, April 5, 2013 7:57:07 AM
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Any Way To Escape Facebook?
>
> All I want to know is how to get off Facebook, once and forever. A year or
> two ago, I had a solution and even posted it. At that time it worked, but
> apparently the FaceBookies (hey, I'm going to copyright that LOL) have
> outsmarted me and I find myself once again the target of Pokes and other
> things that I don't even understand.
>
> I'm over 65. I don't want any attention from anyone who does not come from
> the stuff I write here on the various lists within the
> DatabaseAdvisorsGroup and a few other leftist-lists to which I belong. but
> in short all of social-mediacrity I want OUT OF, and I know nothing short
> of abandoning everything I ever joined and starting over, posing (to quote
> Tom Waits's classic song, Step Right Up) as a 9-year-old Hindu boy.
>
> A.
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 2:14 PM, Hans-Christian Andersen <
> hans.andersen at phulse.com> wrote:
>
>> Privacy died long before the Facebook and the Internet even. It's just
>> becoming a lot more obvious to us and there's also a peer pressure
>> component to staying on the grid now.
>>
>> - Hans
>>
>>
>> On 2013-04-03, at 10:43 AM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Arthur:
>>>
>>> Everything put on the internet is public. That is its greatest strength
>> and greatest weakness.
>>> There are going to be huge forces of capital ventures trying to mine
>> virtually unlimited data for financial gain but equally powerful is the
>> social and open source communities. That has always been the way of things
>> and it is not all bad. You just have to dig a little more for the best and
>> just ignore the rest.
>>> Everything is in balance without the bad there could be no good. Don't
>> lose hope spring is coming. :-)
>>> Jim
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Arthur Fuller" <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
>>> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <
>> dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 3, 2013 3:42:54 AM
>>> Subject: [dba-Tech] Any Way To Escape Facebook?
>>>
>>> I thought that I had escaped this evil witch, but apparently not. I want
>> to
>>> escape Facebook once and for all and to evaporate all traces that I ever
>>> made the mistake of thinking that this might be interesting. It is NOT
>>> interesting. I want out! I want never to hear another communication from
>>> anything or anyone related to Facebook. I hate this site and everything
>> it
>>> stands for and I want out out out and permanently out. Can anyone tell me
>>> to achivieve this? I have tried various solutions and still I receive
>> crap
>>> from said site. I want to be Gone and never thought of again. Can you
>>> advise how I might achieve this? I'm going insane with crap from
>> Facebook.
>>> Please help me nuke this mofo. This is the worst plague in my life. I
>> HATE
>>> HATE HATE Facebook.
>>>
>>> Unless I was unclear, every single thing that Facebook represents is
>> what I
>>> regard as an assault on my privacy and my selected community of equals,
>> and
>>> a bunch more other things. I hate Facebook even more than I hate racist
>>> mofos dedicated to various causes. I think that Facebook is an Evil
>>> creation created by a man with serious social problems, and I want to
>>> remove myself forever from its presence, and that is apparently not a
>>> simple task.
>>>
>>> This sickens me. I wish I had the resources to launch a class-action
>>> lawsuit against these people, but I don't. so that's just farting in the
>>> wind. I want a way out of Facebook and every other similar "resource" --
>>> emphasis on the irony -- these fuckers are only interested in exploiiting
>>> the community, and contribute Nothing! Get the fork away from me, all you
>>> bloodsuckers. I want absolutely NO particpation in your ostensible
>>> communities! I want you leeches to be heated with a hot iron and to die
>> and
>>> never again visit my feet.
>>>
>>> There is a larger picture here, and it's time that someone talked about
>> it.
>>> I guess that it's up to me. The corporatization of the net is the death
>> of
>>> the net. There. I said it. The net started out as an Information Machine
>>> but it has been co-opted into a marketing machine. This is the most
>> tragic
>>> outcome possible. What began as a machine for democracy has turned into a
>>> marketing machine. What began as "Freedom of Information" has turned into
>>> "Information for Money". This, frankly, makes me puke. I know that I am
>> not
>>> going to win this war; they have drones and other evil weapons against
>>> which I have little or no chance. All I can do is raise a flag and then
>> die
>>> when a drone hits me.
>>>
>>> But before the drone hits, I need this to be said. Once upon a time, the
>>> internet promised a democratic future. Unfortunately, the corporations
>> beat
>>> us to the punch. The internet is now owned by them, and it is going to
>> take
>>> a huge rebellion to overcome this.
>>>
>>> I don't think that I shall be able to resist the black heliocopters
>> lurking
>>> over my apartment. I think that they are going to win this battle, and
>> that
>>> I shall be dead within this week or this month at best. They are
>> hovering.
>>> This may be my last Send.
>>>
>>> If there is any last message that I want to send, it's this:
>>> Please get off Facebook any other similar thing. Get off it right now.
>>> Change all your email addresses etc. and get OFF THE MAP! Do it right
>>> fucking now or suffer the consequences. Trust me, I know what the
>>> consquences are. I have been there and done that, and if you leave one
>>> single trace, I can find you and all your relatves, and if you think for
>>> one minute that is complex, try me. I can fin your second cousin's second
>>> child, in a heartbeat. This has become trivial.
>>>
>>> I didn't say I was looking. Far from it. I am not that kind of person,
>> and
>>> I'm confident that most of you listers who know me would attest to that.
>>> But that is not the point. I'm just saying that that everything you share
>>> is a potential liability, which may affect your children, with hideous
>>> outcomes.
>>>
>>> I thought that I knew a way to escape Facebook but apparently I was
>> wrong,
>>> because despite my best attempts I still receive mail from this
>> despicable
>>> organization.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Arthur
>>> Cell: 647.710.1314
>>>
>>> Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
>>>   -- Niels Bohr
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> dba-Tech mailing list
>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
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>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>> _______________________________________________
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>> _______________________________________________
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>>
>
>


From jon at tydda.plus.com  Mon Apr  8 16:42:05 2013
From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda)
Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2013 22:42:05 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Bitcoins
Message-ID: <004101ce34a1$eaa90ed0$bffb2c70$@tydda.plus.com>

Hi all

 

I can't remember who was talking about Bitcoins recently, but I thought
you'd be interested in this:

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-22064534#

 

 

 

Jon


From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Tue Apr  9 07:18:24 2013
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2013 08:18:24 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Bitcoins
In-Reply-To: <004101ce34a1$eaa90ed0$bffb2c70$@tydda.plus.com>
References: <004101ce34a1$eaa90ed0$bffb2c70$@tydda.plus.com>
Message-ID: <51640710.9090704@torchlake.com>

Thanks, Jon.  I wasn't talking about Bitcoins, but I was listening in.  
I'm interested in the phenomenon and fascinated by watching it.
T

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
231-322-2787

On 4/8/2013 5:42 PM, Jon Tydda wrote:
> Hi all
>
>   
>
> I can't remember who was talking about Bitcoins recently, but I thought
> you'd be interested in this:
>
>   
>
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-22064534#
>
>   
>
>   
>
>   
>
> Jon
>
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>


From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Apr  9 11:48:05 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2013 09:48:05 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Bitcoins
In-Reply-To: <51640710.9090704@torchlake.com>
References: <004101ce34a1$eaa90ed0$bffb2c70$@tydda.plus.com>
	<51640710.9090704@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <E35E9B180430445BBA3445F0D1C2B833@creativesystemdesigns.com>

To All:

It appears that as other currencies falter or as the market has been
fluctuating. The flight to another stable or at least currency outside the
existing banking cartelle has been increasing. Bitcoin value has been
bounding up. 

Last week the Bitcoin currency has hit a new height of around $180 a coin,
up from $72 last week which is up from $26 a little over a month ago. 

The theory behind the coin is that it reflects the true value of world
currency but I feel it is now opening up to the asperations of
speculators...not a good a thing at the best of times...but some
aquaintances, at least on paper, have made a substantual profit. In reality,
its true value can only be accessed when purchasing products and that has
not been truly tested.  

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris
Fields
Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2013 5:18 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Bitcoins

Thanks, Jon.  I wasn't talking about Bitcoins, but I was listening in.  
I'm interested in the phenomenon and fascinated by watching it.
T

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
231-322-2787

On 4/8/2013 5:42 PM, Jon Tydda wrote:
> Hi all
>
>   
>
> I can't remember who was talking about Bitcoins recently, but I thought
> you'd be interested in this:
>
>   
>
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-22064534#
>
>   
>
>   
>
>   
>
> Jon
>
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Apr  9 13:18:11 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2013 11:18:11 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Bitcoins
In-Reply-To: <E35E9B180430445BBA3445F0D1C2B833@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <004101ce34a1$eaa90ed0$bffb2c70$@tydda.plus.com><51640710.9090704@torchlake.com>
	<E35E9B180430445BBA3445F0D1C2B833@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <9BCF65051C15447FB5D7DDF60FB4303E@creativesystemdesigns.com>

A further note about Bitcoins just posted:

https://medium.com/money-banking/2b5ef79482cb

Jim 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2013 9:48 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Bitcoins

To All:

It appears that as other currencies falter or as the market has been
fluctuating. The flight to another stable or at least currency outside the
existing banking cartelle has been increasing. Bitcoin value has been
bounding up. 

Last week the Bitcoin currency has hit a new height of around $180 a coin,
up from $72 last week which is up from $26 a little over a month ago. 

The theory behind the coin is that it reflects the true value of world
currency but I feel it is now opening up to the asperations of
speculators...not a good a thing at the best of times...but some
aquaintances, at least on paper, have made a substantual profit. In reality,
its true value can only be accessed when purchasing products and that has
not been truly tested.  

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris
Fields
Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2013 5:18 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Bitcoins

Thanks, Jon.  I wasn't talking about Bitcoins, but I was listening in.  
I'm interested in the phenomenon and fascinated by watching it.
T

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
231-322-2787

On 4/8/2013 5:42 PM, Jon Tydda wrote:
> Hi all
>
>   
>
> I can't remember who was talking about Bitcoins recently, but I thought
> you'd be interested in this:
>
>   
>
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-22064534#
>
>   
>
>   
>
>   
>
> Jon
>
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>

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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Tue Apr  9 16:33:09 2013
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 07:33:09 +1000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Bitcoins
In-Reply-To: <E35E9B180430445BBA3445F0D1C2B833@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <004101ce34a1$eaa90ed0$bffb2c70$@tydda.plus.com>,
	<51640710.9090704@torchlake.com>,
	<E35E9B180430445BBA3445F0D1C2B833@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <51648915.24304.83D5F960@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Who can spell "bubble"?



On 9 Apr 2013 at 9:48, Jim Lawrence wrote:

> To All:
> 
> It appears that as other currencies falter or as the market has been
> fluctuating. The flight to another stable or at least currency outside the
> existing banking cartelle has been increasing. Bitcoin value has been
> bounding up. 
> 
> Last week the Bitcoin currency has hit a new height of around $180 a coin,
> up from $72 last week which is up from $26 a little over a month ago. 
> 
> The theory behind the coin is that it reflects the true value of world
> currency but I feel it is now opening up to the asperations of
> speculators...not a good a thing at the best of times...but some
> aquaintances, at least on paper, have made a substantual profit. In reality,
> its true value can only be accessed when purchasing products and that has
> not been truly tested.  
> 
> Jim
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris
> Fields
> Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2013 5:18 AM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Bitcoins
> 
> Thanks, Jon.  I wasn't talking about Bitcoins, but I was listening in.  
> I'm interested in the phenomenon and fascinated by watching it.
> T
> 
> Tina Norris Fields
> tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
> 231-322-2787
> 
> On 4/8/2013 5:42 PM, Jon Tydda wrote:
> > Hi all
> >
> >   
> >
> > I can't remember who was talking about Bitcoins recently, but I thought
> > you'd be interested in this:
> >
> >   
> >
> > http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-22064534#
> >
> >   
> >
> >   
> >
> >   
> >
> > Jon
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > dba-Tech mailing list
> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> 
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 



From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Apr 10 13:04:38 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 11:04:38 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Bitcoins
In-Reply-To: <51648915.24304.83D5F960@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <004101ce34a1$eaa90ed0$bffb2c70$@tydda.plus.com>,
	<51640710.9090704@torchlake.com>,
	<E35E9B180430445BBA3445F0D1C2B833@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<51648915.24304.83D5F960@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <A6489030F21C4DCFA5C347F37B9EE122@creativesystemdesigns.com>

My guess is "Bitcoin"... but this is hardly unusual.

Any bets on the timing?

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2013 2:33 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Bitcoins

Who can spell "bubble"?



On 9 Apr 2013 at 9:48, Jim Lawrence wrote:

> To All:
> 
> It appears that as other currencies falter or as the market has been
> fluctuating. The flight to another stable or at least currency outside the
> existing banking cartelle has been increasing. Bitcoin value has been
> bounding up. 
> 
> Last week the Bitcoin currency has hit a new height of around $180 a coin,
> up from $72 last week which is up from $26 a little over a month ago. 
> 
> The theory behind the coin is that it reflects the true value of world
> currency but I feel it is now opening up to the asperations of
> speculators...not a good a thing at the best of times...but some
> aquaintances, at least on paper, have made a substantual profit. In
reality,
> its true value can only be accessed when purchasing products and that has
> not been truly tested.  
> 
> Jim
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris
> Fields
> Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2013 5:18 AM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Bitcoins
> 
> Thanks, Jon.  I wasn't talking about Bitcoins, but I was listening in.  
> I'm interested in the phenomenon and fascinated by watching it.
> T
> 
> Tina Norris Fields
> tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
> 231-322-2787
> 
> On 4/8/2013 5:42 PM, Jon Tydda wrote:
> > Hi all
> >
> >   
> >
> > I can't remember who was talking about Bitcoins recently, but I thought
> > you'd be interested in this:
> >
> >   
> >
> > http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-22064534#
> >
> >   
> >
> >   
> >
> >   
> >
> > Jon
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > dba-Tech mailing list
> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> 
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
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> 
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From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Wed Apr 10 13:32:56 2013
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 11:32:56 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Bitcoins
In-Reply-To: <A6489030F21C4DCFA5C347F37B9EE122@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <004101ce34a1$eaa90ed0$bffb2c70$@tydda.plus.com>
	<51640710.9090704@torchlake.com>
	<E35E9B180430445BBA3445F0D1C2B833@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<51648915.24304.83D5F960@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<A6489030F21C4DCFA5C347F37B9EE122@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <9448661B-A5A5-4A93-928B-081F2B10741E@phulse.com>

If you are interested in the technological underpinnings of the bitcoin phenomena, you should check out the SecurityNow podcast on it.

Personally, I think it's just an experimental currency... A blueprint for what might eventually happen in the future. But I highly doubt we will ever have a single currency that isn't controlled by any government, nor do I think it's a good idea.

- Hans


On 2013-04-10, at 11:04 AM, "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> My guess is "Bitcoin"... but this is hardly unusual.
> 
> Any bets on the timing?
> 
> Jim
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
> Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2013 2:33 PM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Bitcoins
> 
> Who can spell "bubble"?
> 
> 
> 
> On 9 Apr 2013 at 9:48, Jim Lawrence wrote:
> 
>> To All:
>> 
>> It appears that as other currencies falter or as the market has been
>> fluctuating. The flight to another stable or at least currency outside the
>> existing banking cartelle has been increasing. Bitcoin value has been
>> bounding up. 
>> 
>> Last week the Bitcoin currency has hit a new height of around $180 a coin,
>> up from $72 last week which is up from $26 a little over a month ago. 
>> 
>> The theory behind the coin is that it reflects the true value of world
>> currency but I feel it is now opening up to the asperations of
>> speculators...not a good a thing at the best of times...but some
>> aquaintances, at least on paper, have made a substantual profit. In
> reality,
>> its true value can only be accessed when purchasing products and that has
>> not been truly tested.  
>> 
>> Jim
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris
>> Fields
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2013 5:18 AM
>> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Bitcoins
>> 
>> Thanks, Jon.  I wasn't talking about Bitcoins, but I was listening in.  
>> I'm interested in the phenomenon and fascinated by watching it.
>> T
>> 
>> Tina Norris Fields
>> tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
>> 231-322-2787
>> 
>> On 4/8/2013 5:42 PM, Jon Tydda wrote:
>>> Hi all
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I can't remember who was talking about Bitcoins recently, but I thought
>>> you'd be interested in this:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-22064534#
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Jon
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> dba-Tech mailing list
>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
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>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
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>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Wed Apr 10 15:45:01 2013
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 13:45:01 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Bitcoins
In-Reply-To: <A6489030F21C4DCFA5C347F37B9EE122@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <004101ce34a1$eaa90ed0$bffb2c70$@tydda.plus.com>,
	<51640710.9090704@torchlake.com>,
	<E35E9B180430445BBA3445F0D1C2B833@creativesystemdesigns.com><51648915.24304.83D5F960@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<A6489030F21C4DCFA5C347F37B9EE122@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <CD3614EA346F41008AE0151A0EFE40C5@HAL9007>

<= 30 days.  I'd short it if I had the cojones for that sort of thing.

R
 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2013 11:05 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Bitcoins

My guess is "Bitcoin"... but this is hardly unusual.

Any bets on the timing?

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2013 2:33 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Bitcoins

Who can spell "bubble"?



On 9 Apr 2013 at 9:48, Jim Lawrence wrote:

> To All:
> 
> It appears that as other currencies falter or as the market has been 
> fluctuating. The flight to another stable or at least currency outside 
> the existing banking cartelle has been increasing. Bitcoin value has 
> been bounding up.
> 
> Last week the Bitcoin currency has hit a new height of around $180 a 
> coin, up from $72 last week which is up from $26 a little over a month
ago.
> 
> The theory behind the coin is that it reflects the true value of world 
> currency but I feel it is now opening up to the asperations of 
> speculators...not a good a thing at the best of times...but some 
> aquaintances, at least on paper, have made a substantual profit. In
reality,
> its true value can only be accessed when purchasing products and that 
> has not been truly tested.
> 
> Jim
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina 
> Norris Fields
> Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2013 5:18 AM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Bitcoins
> 
> Thanks, Jon.  I wasn't talking about Bitcoins, but I was listening in.  
> I'm interested in the phenomenon and fascinated by watching it.
> T
> 
> Tina Norris Fields
> tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
> 231-322-2787
> 
> On 4/8/2013 5:42 PM, Jon Tydda wrote:
> > Hi all
> >
> >   
> >
> > I can't remember who was talking about Bitcoins recently, but I 
> > thought you'd be interested in this:
> >
> >   
> >
> > http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-22064534#
> >
> >   
> >
> >   
> >
> >   
> >
> > Jon
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > dba-Tech mailing list
> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> 
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 


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From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Wed Apr 10 17:52:56 2013
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 15:52:56 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Bitcoins
In-Reply-To: <CD3614EA346F41008AE0151A0EFE40C5@HAL9007>
References: <004101ce34a1$eaa90ed0$bffb2c70$@tydda.plus.com>
	<51640710.9090704@torchlake.com>
	<E35E9B180430445BBA3445F0D1C2B833@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<51648915.24304.83D5F960@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<A6489030F21C4DCFA5C347F37B9EE122@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<CD3614EA346F41008AE0151A0EFE40C5@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <D1FBE6FD-8DCB-400F-98A2-7C545F869D9B@phulse.com>

http://www.businessinsider.com/bitcoin-plunges-2013-4

Lol

- Hans


On 2013-04-10, at 1:45 PM, "Rocky Smolin" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:

> <= 30 days.  I'd short it if I had the cojones for that sort of thing.
> 
> R
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
> Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2013 11:05 AM
> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Bitcoins
> 
> My guess is "Bitcoin"... but this is hardly unusual.
> 
> Any bets on the timing?
> 
> Jim
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
> Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2013 2:33 PM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Bitcoins
> 
> Who can spell "bubble"?
> 
> 
> 
> On 9 Apr 2013 at 9:48, Jim Lawrence wrote:
> 
>> To All:
>> 
>> It appears that as other currencies falter or as the market has been 
>> fluctuating. The flight to another stable or at least currency outside 
>> the existing banking cartelle has been increasing. Bitcoin value has 
>> been bounding up.
>> 
>> Last week the Bitcoin currency has hit a new height of around $180 a 
>> coin, up from $72 last week which is up from $26 a little over a month
> ago.
>> 
>> The theory behind the coin is that it reflects the true value of world 
>> currency but I feel it is now opening up to the asperations of 
>> speculators...not a good a thing at the best of times...but some 
>> aquaintances, at least on paper, have made a substantual profit. In
> reality,
>> its true value can only be accessed when purchasing products and that 
>> has not been truly tested.
>> 
>> Jim
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina 
>> Norris Fields
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2013 5:18 AM
>> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Bitcoins
>> 
>> Thanks, Jon.  I wasn't talking about Bitcoins, but I was listening in.  
>> I'm interested in the phenomenon and fascinated by watching it.
>> T
>> 
>> Tina Norris Fields
>> tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
>> 231-322-2787
>> 
>> On 4/8/2013 5:42 PM, Jon Tydda wrote:
>>> Hi all
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I can't remember who was talking about Bitcoins recently, but I 
>>> thought you'd be interested in this:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-22064534#
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Jon
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> dba-Tech mailing list
>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> dba-Tech mailing list
>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> dba-Tech mailing list
>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com

From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Wed Apr 10 19:32:17 2013
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 17:32:17 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Bitcoins
In-Reply-To: <D1FBE6FD-8DCB-400F-98A2-7C545F869D9B@phulse.com>
References: <004101ce34a1$eaa90ed0$bffb2c70$@tydda.plus.com><51640710.9090704@torchlake.com><E35E9B180430445BBA3445F0D1C2B833@creativesystemdesigns.com><51648915.24304.83D5F960@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg><A6489030F21C4DCFA5C347F37B9EE122@creativesystemdesigns.com><CD3614EA346F41008AE0151A0EFE40C5@HAL9007>
	<D1FBE6FD-8DCB-400F-98A2-7C545F869D9B@phulse.com>
Message-ID: <778259F169C64AD7A6187EB00EF0BD3A@HAL9007>

What would cause anything - stock, bond, currency, commodity, collectible -
anything, to go from 15 to 250 in three months.  IME, only two things -
feverish speculation and manipulation.  IME, nothing fundamental would ever
cause that.  Given the nature of bitcoin - unregulated, no real assets
behind it really - I suspect a combination of the two with the emphasis on
manipulation.  It smells of a 'pump and dump' scheme.


R


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hans-Christian
Andersen
Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2013 3:53 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Bitcoins

http://www.businessinsider.com/bitcoin-plunges-2013-4

Lol

- Hans


On 2013-04-10, at 1:45 PM, "Rocky Smolin" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:

> <= 30 days.  I'd short it if I had the cojones for that sort of thing.
> 
> R
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim 
> Lawrence
> Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2013 11:05 AM
> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Bitcoins
> 
> My guess is "Bitcoin"... but this is hardly unusual.
> 
> Any bets on the timing?
> 
> Jim
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart 
> McLachlan
> Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2013 2:33 PM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Bitcoins
> 
> Who can spell "bubble"?
> 
> 
> 
> On 9 Apr 2013 at 9:48, Jim Lawrence wrote:
> 
>> To All:
>> 
>> It appears that as other currencies falter or as the market has been 
>> fluctuating. The flight to another stable or at least currency 
>> outside the existing banking cartelle has been increasing. Bitcoin 
>> value has been bounding up.
>> 
>> Last week the Bitcoin currency has hit a new height of around $180 a 
>> coin, up from $72 last week which is up from $26 a little over a 
>> month
> ago.
>> 
>> The theory behind the coin is that it reflects the true value of 
>> world currency but I feel it is now opening up to the asperations of 
>> speculators...not a good a thing at the best of times...but some 
>> aquaintances, at least on paper, have made a substantual profit. In
> reality,
>> its true value can only be accessed when purchasing products and that 
>> has not been truly tested.
>> 
>> Jim
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina 
>> Norris Fields
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2013 5:18 AM
>> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Bitcoins
>> 
>> Thanks, Jon.  I wasn't talking about Bitcoins, but I was listening in.  
>> I'm interested in the phenomenon and fascinated by watching it.
>> T
>> 
>> Tina Norris Fields
>> tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
>> 231-322-2787
>> 
>> On 4/8/2013 5:42 PM, Jon Tydda wrote:
>>> Hi all
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I can't remember who was talking about Bitcoins recently, but I 
>>> thought you'd be interested in this:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-22064534#
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Jon
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> dba-Tech mailing list
>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> dba-Tech mailing list
>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
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>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
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> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Apr 10 20:05:01 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 18:05:01 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Bitcoins
In-Reply-To: <778259F169C64AD7A6187EB00EF0BD3A@HAL9007>
References: <004101ce34a1$eaa90ed0$bffb2c70$@tydda.plus.com><51640710.9090704@torchlake.com><E35E9B180430445BBA3445F0D1C2B833@creativesystemdesigns.com><51648915.24304.83D5F960@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg><A6489030F21C4DCFA5C347F37B9EE122@creativesystemdesigns.com><CD3614EA346F41008AE0151A0EFE40C5@HAL9007><D1FBE6FD-8DCB-400F-98A2-7C545F869D9B@phulse.com>
	<778259F169C64AD7A6187EB00EF0BD3A@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <4ED30C09C6E543148600F21E8ADE8AE0@creativesystemdesigns.com>

The over all concept of Bitcoins is really good but the product is not being
used for what it was designed.

Bitcoins are designed to allow buying and selling not as a system to
speculate on. IMO, it has become just like a situation of old where, in
Holland, people started speculating on tulip bulbs and their price went up
spectacularly, then it all crashed and the economy was in ruins for thirty
years (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulip_mania). It is not identical in its
outcome of depth but like Bitcoins, Tulips bulbs were created for another
purpose...just meant to plant.  

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2013 5:32 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Bitcoins

What would cause anything - stock, bond, currency, commodity, collectible -
anything, to go from 15 to 250 in three months.  IME, only two things -
feverish speculation and manipulation.  IME, nothing fundamental would ever
cause that.  Given the nature of bitcoin - unregulated, no real assets
behind it really - I suspect a combination of the two with the emphasis on
manipulation.  It smells of a 'pump and dump' scheme.


R


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hans-Christian
Andersen
Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2013 3:53 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Bitcoins

http://www.businessinsider.com/bitcoin-plunges-2013-4

Lol

- Hans


On 2013-04-10, at 1:45 PM, "Rocky Smolin" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:

> <= 30 days.  I'd short it if I had the cojones for that sort of thing.
> 
> R
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim 
> Lawrence
> Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2013 11:05 AM
> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Bitcoins
> 
> My guess is "Bitcoin"... but this is hardly unusual.
> 
> Any bets on the timing?
> 
> Jim
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart 
> McLachlan
> Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2013 2:33 PM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Bitcoins
> 
> Who can spell "bubble"?
> 
> 
> 
> On 9 Apr 2013 at 9:48, Jim Lawrence wrote:
> 
>> To All:
>> 
>> It appears that as other currencies falter or as the market has been 
>> fluctuating. The flight to another stable or at least currency 
>> outside the existing banking cartelle has been increasing. Bitcoin 
>> value has been bounding up.
>> 
>> Last week the Bitcoin currency has hit a new height of around $180 a 
>> coin, up from $72 last week which is up from $26 a little over a 
>> month
> ago.
>> 
>> The theory behind the coin is that it reflects the true value of 
>> world currency but I feel it is now opening up to the asperations of 
>> speculators...not a good a thing at the best of times...but some 
>> aquaintances, at least on paper, have made a substantual profit. In
> reality,
>> its true value can only be accessed when purchasing products and that 
>> has not been truly tested.
>> 
>> Jim
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina 
>> Norris Fields
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2013 5:18 AM
>> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Bitcoins
>> 
>> Thanks, Jon.  I wasn't talking about Bitcoins, but I was listening in.  
>> I'm interested in the phenomenon and fascinated by watching it.
>> T
>> 
>> Tina Norris Fields
>> tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
>> 231-322-2787
>> 
>> On 4/8/2013 5:42 PM, Jon Tydda wrote:
>>> Hi all
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I can't remember who was talking about Bitcoins recently, but I 
>>> thought you'd be interested in this:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-22064534#
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Jon
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>> 
>> 
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>> 
> 
> 
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From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Wed Apr 10 20:15:32 2013
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 18:15:32 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Bitcoins
In-Reply-To: <778259F169C64AD7A6187EB00EF0BD3A@HAL9007>
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I doubt it. It's human group psychology (herd mentality). If enough people are dumping something, suddenly fear and uncertainty sets in and everyone starts dumping it, even if there is no rational reason to.

If everyone is expecting something to crash, then it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy. The opposite is true.

I'm willing to bet that, if we saw a big group of people running frantically in one direction, most of us would look around for a moment and blink, and then join them even if you didn't see anything, because you would assume the others have knowledge of something that you do not.

Which is why you need regulations and why those libertarian ideals of pure market capitalism and such are as naive as communism was.

Humans are not rational beings.


- Hans


On 2013-04-10, at 5:32 PM, "Rocky Smolin" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:

> What would cause anything - stock, bond, currency, commodity, collectible -
> anything, to go from 15 to 250 in three months.  IME, only two things -
> feverish speculation and manipulation.  IME, nothing fundamental would ever
> cause that.  Given the nature of bitcoin - unregulated, no real assets
> behind it really - I suspect a combination of the two with the emphasis on
> manipulation.  It smells of a 'pump and dump' scheme.
> 
> 
> R
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hans-Christian
> Andersen
> Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2013 3:53 PM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Bitcoins
> 
> http://www.businessinsider.com/bitcoin-plunges-2013-4
> 
> Lol
> 
> - Hans
> 
> 
> On 2013-04-10, at 1:45 PM, "Rocky Smolin" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:
> 
>> <= 30 days.  I'd short it if I had the cojones for that sort of thing.
>> 
>> R
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim 
>> Lawrence
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2013 11:05 AM
>> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
>> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Bitcoins
>> 
>> My guess is "Bitcoin"... but this is hardly unusual.
>> 
>> Any bets on the timing?
>> 
>> Jim
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart 
>> McLachlan
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2013 2:33 PM
>> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Bitcoins
>> 
>> Who can spell "bubble"?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 9 Apr 2013 at 9:48, Jim Lawrence wrote:
>> 
>>> To All:
>>> 
>>> It appears that as other currencies falter or as the market has been 
>>> fluctuating. The flight to another stable or at least currency 
>>> outside the existing banking cartelle has been increasing. Bitcoin 
>>> value has been bounding up.
>>> 
>>> Last week the Bitcoin currency has hit a new height of around $180 a 
>>> coin, up from $72 last week which is up from $26 a little over a 
>>> month
>> ago.
>>> 
>>> The theory behind the coin is that it reflects the true value of 
>>> world currency but I feel it is now opening up to the asperations of 
>>> speculators...not a good a thing at the best of times...but some 
>>> aquaintances, at least on paper, have made a substantual profit. In
>> reality,
>>> its true value can only be accessed when purchasing products and that 
>>> has not been truly tested.
>>> 
>>> Jim
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina 
>>> Norris Fields
>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2013 5:18 AM
>>> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>>> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Bitcoins
>>> 
>>> Thanks, Jon.  I wasn't talking about Bitcoins, but I was listening in.  
>>> I'm interested in the phenomenon and fascinated by watching it.
>>> T
>>> 
>>> Tina Norris Fields
>>> tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
>>> 231-322-2787
>>> 
>>> On 4/8/2013 5:42 PM, Jon Tydda wrote:
>>>> Hi all
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> I can't remember who was talking about Bitcoins recently, but I 
>>>> thought you'd be interested in this:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-22064534#
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Jon
>>>> 
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> dba-Tech mailing list
>>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>>> 
>>> 
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>>> 
>> 
>> 
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Apr 10 20:30:41 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 18:30:41 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Bitcoins
In-Reply-To: <0C0D6E5C-C13E-4513-89C3-8BFCD5D0D4D6@phulse.com>
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Well said.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hans-Christian
Andersen
Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2013 6:16 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Bitcoins

I doubt it. It's human group psychology (herd mentality). If enough people
are dumping something, suddenly fear and uncertainty sets in and everyone
starts dumping it, even if there is no rational reason to.

If everyone is expecting something to crash, then it becomes a self
fulfilling prophecy. The opposite is true.

I'm willing to bet that, if we saw a big group of people running frantically
in one direction, most of us would look around for a moment and blink, and
then join them even if you didn't see anything, because you would assume the
others have knowledge of something that you do not.

Which is why you need regulations and why those libertarian ideals of pure
market capitalism and such are as naive as communism was.

Humans are not rational beings.


- Hans


On 2013-04-10, at 5:32 PM, "Rocky Smolin" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:

> What would cause anything - stock, bond, currency, commodity, collectible
-
> anything, to go from 15 to 250 in three months.  IME, only two things -
> feverish speculation and manipulation.  IME, nothing fundamental would
ever
> cause that.  Given the nature of bitcoin - unregulated, no real assets
> behind it really - I suspect a combination of the two with the emphasis on
> manipulation.  It smells of a 'pump and dump' scheme.
> 
> 
> R
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hans-Christian
> Andersen
> Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2013 3:53 PM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Bitcoins
> 
> http://www.businessinsider.com/bitcoin-plunges-2013-4
> 
> Lol
> 
> - Hans
> 
> 
> On 2013-04-10, at 1:45 PM, "Rocky Smolin" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:
> 
>> <= 30 days.  I'd short it if I had the cojones for that sort of thing.
>> 
>> R
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim 
>> Lawrence
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2013 11:05 AM
>> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
>> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Bitcoins
>> 
>> My guess is "Bitcoin"... but this is hardly unusual.
>> 
>> Any bets on the timing?
>> 
>> Jim
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart 
>> McLachlan
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2013 2:33 PM
>> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Bitcoins
>> 
>> Who can spell "bubble"?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 9 Apr 2013 at 9:48, Jim Lawrence wrote:
>> 
>>> To All:
>>> 
>>> It appears that as other currencies falter or as the market has been 
>>> fluctuating. The flight to another stable or at least currency 
>>> outside the existing banking cartelle has been increasing. Bitcoin 
>>> value has been bounding up.
>>> 
>>> Last week the Bitcoin currency has hit a new height of around $180 a 
>>> coin, up from $72 last week which is up from $26 a little over a 
>>> month
>> ago.
>>> 
>>> The theory behind the coin is that it reflects the true value of 
>>> world currency but I feel it is now opening up to the asperations of 
>>> speculators...not a good a thing at the best of times...but some 
>>> aquaintances, at least on paper, have made a substantual profit. In
>> reality,
>>> its true value can only be accessed when purchasing products and that 
>>> has not been truly tested.
>>> 
>>> Jim
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina 
>>> Norris Fields
>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2013 5:18 AM
>>> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>>> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Bitcoins
>>> 
>>> Thanks, Jon.  I wasn't talking about Bitcoins, but I was listening in.  
>>> I'm interested in the phenomenon and fascinated by watching it.
>>> T
>>> 
>>> Tina Norris Fields
>>> tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
>>> 231-322-2787
>>> 
>>> On 4/8/2013 5:42 PM, Jon Tydda wrote:
>>>> Hi all
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> I can't remember who was talking about Bitcoins recently, but I 
>>>> thought you'd be interested in this:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-22064534#
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Jon
>>>> 
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> dba-Tech mailing list
>>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>>> 
>>> 
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>> 
>> 
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From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Wed Apr 10 20:52:47 2013
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 18:52:47 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Bitcoins
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Hi Jim,

Actually, I'm fairly sure this was actually part of the design and was an intended consequence. You see, BitCoins were designed to be a finite resource. The whole mathematics behind BitCoins imposes a limit of how many BitCoins can _ever_ be mined and the cost of mining them gets more and more expensive as you need more powerful computers to come up with a specific hash that translate to BitCoins. We are already seeing the cost of mining BitCoins shoot up astronomically. Eventually, there will be a date in the near future where by every possible BitCoin has been mined.

It this point, the price of a BitCoin can only be determined by the buying and selling of BitCoins at an exchange. And that's where this experiment gets interesting, because the whole idea behind BitCoin was to make it an unregulated currency. Only buyers and sellers determine the value of a BitCoin. It is not possible for the Federal Reserve or Bank of England or whomever to print more BitCoins in order the deflate the value of the BitCoin or have any sort of influence over the economy via monetary policy by doing so (hence no inflation!).

To be honest, the whole concept of BitCoins is an attempt to bring us back to an electronic version of the gold standard. From that point of view, it will be a failure.

- Hans


On 2013-04-10, at 6:05 PM, "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> The over all concept of Bitcoins is really good but the product is not being
> used for what it was designed.
> 
> Bitcoins are designed to allow buying and selling not as a system to
> speculate on. IMO, it has become just like a situation of old where, in
> Holland, people started speculating on tulip bulbs and their price went up
> spectacularly, then it all crashed and the economy was in ruins for thirty
> years (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulip_mania). It is not identical in its
> outcome of depth but like Bitcoins, Tulips bulbs were created for another
> purpose...just meant to plant.  
> 
> Jim
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
> Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2013 5:32 PM
> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Bitcoins
> 
> What would cause anything - stock, bond, currency, commodity, collectible -
> anything, to go from 15 to 250 in three months.  IME, only two things -
> feverish speculation and manipulation.  IME, nothing fundamental would ever
> cause that.  Given the nature of bitcoin - unregulated, no real assets
> behind it really - I suspect a combination of the two with the emphasis on
> manipulation.  It smells of a 'pump and dump' scheme.
> 
> 
> R
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hans-Christian
> Andersen
> Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2013 3:53 PM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Bitcoins
> 
> http://www.businessinsider.com/bitcoin-plunges-2013-4
> 
> Lol
> 
> - Hans
> 
> 
> On 2013-04-10, at 1:45 PM, "Rocky Smolin" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:
> 
>> <= 30 days.  I'd short it if I had the cojones for that sort of thing.
>> 
>> R
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim 
>> Lawrence
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2013 11:05 AM
>> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
>> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Bitcoins
>> 
>> My guess is "Bitcoin"... but this is hardly unusual.
>> 
>> Any bets on the timing?
>> 
>> Jim
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart 
>> McLachlan
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2013 2:33 PM
>> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Bitcoins
>> 
>> Who can spell "bubble"?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 9 Apr 2013 at 9:48, Jim Lawrence wrote:
>> 
>>> To All:
>>> 
>>> It appears that as other currencies falter or as the market has been 
>>> fluctuating. The flight to another stable or at least currency 
>>> outside the existing banking cartelle has been increasing. Bitcoin 
>>> value has been bounding up.
>>> 
>>> Last week the Bitcoin currency has hit a new height of around $180 a 
>>> coin, up from $72 last week which is up from $26 a little over a 
>>> month
>> ago.
>>> 
>>> The theory behind the coin is that it reflects the true value of 
>>> world currency but I feel it is now opening up to the asperations of 
>>> speculators...not a good a thing at the best of times...but some 
>>> aquaintances, at least on paper, have made a substantual profit. In
>> reality,
>>> its true value can only be accessed when purchasing products and that 
>>> has not been truly tested.
>>> 
>>> Jim
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina 
>>> Norris Fields
>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2013 5:18 AM
>>> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>>> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Bitcoins
>>> 
>>> Thanks, Jon.  I wasn't talking about Bitcoins, but I was listening in.  
>>> I'm interested in the phenomenon and fascinated by watching it.
>>> T
>>> 
>>> Tina Norris Fields
>>> tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
>>> 231-322-2787
>>> 
>>> On 4/8/2013 5:42 PM, Jon Tydda wrote:
>>>> Hi all
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> I can't remember who was talking about Bitcoins recently, but I 
>>>> thought you'd be interested in this:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-22064534#
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Jon
>>>> 
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> dba-Tech mailing list
>>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> 
>> 
>> 
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Wed Apr 10 23:57:14 2013
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 21:57:14 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Bitcoins
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I'll buy feverish speculation but I'll bet a quarter there's going to be a
manipulation scandal which will have a bad effect on the trust and
credibility people require to hold and use bitcoins.  And, like all
currencies, the utility of the currency depends on the credibility of the
system that supports it. 

R


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hans-Christian
Andersen
Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2013 6:16 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Bitcoins

I doubt it. It's human group psychology (herd mentality). If enough people
are dumping something, suddenly fear and uncertainty sets in and everyone
starts dumping it, even if there is no rational reason to.

If everyone is expecting something to crash, then it becomes a self
fulfilling prophecy. The opposite is true.

I'm willing to bet that, if we saw a big group of people running frantically
in one direction, most of us would look around for a moment and blink, and
then join them even if you didn't see anything, because you would assume the
others have knowledge of something that you do not.

Which is why you need regulations and why those libertarian ideals of pure
market capitalism and such are as naive as communism was.

Humans are not rational beings.


- Hans


On 2013-04-10, at 5:32 PM, "Rocky Smolin" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:

> What would cause anything - stock, bond, currency, commodity, 
> collectible - anything, to go from 15 to 250 in three months.  IME, 
> only two things - feverish speculation and manipulation.  IME, nothing 
> fundamental would ever cause that.  Given the nature of bitcoin - 
> unregulated, no real assets behind it really - I suspect a combination 
> of the two with the emphasis on manipulation.  It smells of a 'pump and
dump' scheme.
> 
> 
> R
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Hans-Christian Andersen
> Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2013 3:53 PM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Bitcoins
> 
> http://www.businessinsider.com/bitcoin-plunges-2013-4
> 
> Lol
> 
> - Hans
> 
> 
> On 2013-04-10, at 1:45 PM, "Rocky Smolin" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:
> 
>> <= 30 days.  I'd short it if I had the cojones for that sort of thing.
>> 
>> R
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim 
>> Lawrence
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2013 11:05 AM
>> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
>> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Bitcoins
>> 
>> My guess is "Bitcoin"... but this is hardly unusual.
>> 
>> Any bets on the timing?
>> 
>> Jim
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart 
>> McLachlan
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2013 2:33 PM
>> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Bitcoins
>> 
>> Who can spell "bubble"?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 9 Apr 2013 at 9:48, Jim Lawrence wrote:
>> 
>>> To All:
>>> 
>>> It appears that as other currencies falter or as the market has been 
>>> fluctuating. The flight to another stable or at least currency 
>>> outside the existing banking cartelle has been increasing. Bitcoin 
>>> value has been bounding up.
>>> 
>>> Last week the Bitcoin currency has hit a new height of around $180 a 
>>> coin, up from $72 last week which is up from $26 a little over a 
>>> month
>> ago.
>>> 
>>> The theory behind the coin is that it reflects the true value of 
>>> world currency but I feel it is now opening up to the asperations of 
>>> speculators...not a good a thing at the best of times...but some 
>>> aquaintances, at least on paper, have made a substantual profit. In
>> reality,
>>> its true value can only be accessed when purchasing products and 
>>> that has not been truly tested.
>>> 
>>> Jim
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina 
>>> Norris Fields
>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2013 5:18 AM
>>> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>>> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Bitcoins
>>> 
>>> Thanks, Jon.  I wasn't talking about Bitcoins, but I was listening in.  
>>> I'm interested in the phenomenon and fascinated by watching it.
>>> T
>>> 
>>> Tina Norris Fields
>>> tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
>>> 231-322-2787
>>> 
>>> On 4/8/2013 5:42 PM, Jon Tydda wrote:
>>>> Hi all
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> I can't remember who was talking about Bitcoins recently, but I 
>>>> thought you'd be interested in this:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-22064534#
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Jon
>>>> 
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From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Thu Apr 11 00:35:19 2013
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 09:35:19 +0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?Bitcoins?=
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 "naive as communism" - used as oxymoron here?

-- Shamil

?????, 10 ?????? 2013, 18:15 -07:00 ?? Hans-Christian Andersen <hans.andersen at phulse.com>:
>I doubt it. It's human group psychology (herd mentality). If enough people are dumping something, suddenly fear and uncertainty sets in and everyone starts dumping it, even if there is no rational reason to.
>
>If everyone is expecting something to crash, then it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy. The opposite is true.
>
>I'm willing to bet that, if we saw a big group of people running frantically in one direction, most of us would look around for a moment and blink, and then join them even if you didn't see anything, because you would assume the others have knowledge of something that you do not.
>
>Which is why you need regulations and why those libertarian ideals of pure market capitalism and such are as naive as communism was.
>
>Humans are not rational beings.
>
>
>- Hans
>
>
>On 2013-04-10, at 5:32 PM, "Rocky Smolin" < rockysmolin at bchacc.com > wrote:
>
>> What would cause anything - stock, bond, currency, commodity, collectible -
>> anything, to go from 15 to 250 in three months.  IME, only two things -
>> feverish speculation and manipulation.  IME, nothing fundamental would ever
>> cause that.  Given the nature of bitcoin - unregulated, no real assets
>> behind it really - I suspect a combination of the two with the emphasis on
>> manipulation.  It smells of a 'pump and dump' scheme.
>> 
>> 
>> R
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From:  dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hans-Christian
>> Andersen
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2013 3:53 PM
>> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Bitcoins
>> 
>>  http://www.businessinsider.com/bitcoin-plunges-2013-4
>> 
>> Lol
>> 
>> - Hans
>>?
<<< skipped >>>
>

From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Thu Apr 11 01:29:39 2013
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 23:29:39 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Bitcoins
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No.

- Hans


On 2013-04-10, at 10:35 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil <mcp2004 at mail.ru> wrote:

> "naive as communism" - used as oxymoron here?
> 
> -- Shamil
> 
> ?????, 10 ?????? 2013, 18:15 -07:00 ?? Hans-Christian Andersen <hans.andersen at phulse.com>:
>> I doubt it. It's human group psychology (herd mentality). If enough people are dumping something, suddenly fear and uncertainty sets in and everyone starts dumping it, even if there is no rational reason to.
>> 
>> If everyone is expecting something to crash, then it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy. The opposite is true.
>> 
>> I'm willing to bet that, if we saw a big group of people running frantically in one direction, most of us would look around for a moment and blink, and then join them even if you didn't see anything, because you would assume the others have knowledge of something that you do not.
>> 
>> Which is why you need regulations and why those libertarian ideals of pure market capitalism and such are as naive as communism was.
>> 
>> Humans are not rational beings.
>> 
>> 
>> - Hans
>> 
>> 
>> On 2013-04-10, at 5:32 PM, "Rocky Smolin" < rockysmolin at bchacc.com > wrote:
>> 
>>> What would cause anything - stock, bond, currency, commodity, collectible -
>>> anything, to go from 15 to 250 in three months.  IME, only two things -
>>> feverish speculation and manipulation.  IME, nothing fundamental would ever
>>> cause that.  Given the nature of bitcoin - unregulated, no real assets
>>> behind it really - I suspect a combination of the two with the emphasis on
>>> manipulation.  It smells of a 'pump and dump' scheme.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> R
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From:  dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hans-Christian
>>> Andersen
>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2013 3:53 PM
>>> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>>> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Bitcoins
>>> 
>>> http://www.businessinsider.com/bitcoin-plunges-2013-4
>>> 
>>> Lol
>>> 
>>> - Hans
> <<< skipped >>>
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From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Thu Apr 11 02:35:13 2013
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 11:35:13 +0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?OT=3A_=22naive_as_communism=22_-_Was=3ARe=5B?=
 =?utf-8?q?2=5D=3A__Bitcoins?=
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Sorry, then it sounds very naive.

Did you read "We the Living" by Ayn Rand (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/We_the_Living)?

Or "My Little Leniniana" by Venedikt Yerofeyev (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venedikt_Yerofeyev) - here is the text in Russian (http://www.gatehouse.ru/lenin/esho/erofeev.shtml)

If there exists there an English translation of "Lozhitsia mgla na starye stupeni" by Alexander Chudakov ("http://www.amazon.com/Lozhitsia-mgla-na-starye-stupeni/dp/5969107832/ref=sr_1_fkmr1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1365664732&sr=8-1-fkmr1&keywords=alexander+chudakov) then by reading this book one may try to realize how "naive" was communistic regime here, how *real* people lived under its pressure from 1917 till 1991...
"Communism goes against human nature" (http://public.wsu.edu/~brians/hum_303/nature.html). This statement is proven by "real life brutal experiment" in this country, and unfortunately is still continuing to be proved everyday in many other countries of this small world. Period.

Sorry for off-topic.?
-- Shamil
?????, 10 ?????? 2013, 23:29 -07:00 ?? Hans-Christian Andersen <hans.andersen at phulse.com>:
>No.
>
>- Hans
>
>
>On 2013-04-10, at 10:35 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil < mcp2004 at mail.ru > wrote:
>
>> "naive as communism" - used as oxymoron here?
>> 
>> -- Shamil
>> 
>> ?????, 10 ?????? 2013, 18:15 -07:00 ?? Hans-Christian Andersen < hans.andersen at phulse.com >:
>>> I doubt it. It's human group psychology (herd mentality). If enough people are dumping something, suddenly fear and uncertainty sets in and everyone starts dumping it, even if there is no rational reason to.
>>> 
>>> If everyone is expecting something to crash, then it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy. The opposite is true.
>>> 
>>> I'm willing to bet that, if we saw a big group of people running frantically in one direction, most of us would look around for a moment and blink, and then join them even if you didn't see anything, because you would assume the others have knowledge of something that you do not.
>>> 
>>> Which is why you need regulations and why those libertarian ideals of pure market capitalism and such are as naive as communism was.
>>> 
>>> Humans are not rational beings.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> - Hans
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 2013-04-10, at 5:32 PM, "Rocky Smolin" <  rockysmolin at bchacc.com > wrote:
>>> 
>>>> What would cause anything - stock, bond, currency, commodity, collectible -
>>>> anything, to go from 15 to 250 in three months.  IME, only two things -
>>>> feverish speculation and manipulation.  IME, nothing fundamental would ever
>>>> cause that.  Given the nature of bitcoin - unregulated, no real assets
>>>> behind it really - I suspect a combination of the two with the emphasis on
>>>> manipulation.  It smells of a 'pump and dump' scheme.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> R
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From:  dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hans-Christian
>>>> Andersen
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2013 3:53 PM
>>>> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>>>> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Bitcoins
>>>> 
>>>>  http://www.businessinsider.com/bitcoin-plunges-2013-4
>>>> 
>>>> Lol
>>>> 
>>>> - Hans
>> <<< skipped >>>

From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Apr 11 03:00:48 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 01:00:48 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Are we being forced to migrate to Linux?
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The following article attempts to scare the users of XP into using what?

http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/european-technology/ok-so-stick-with-window
s-xp-but-how-big-a-risk-do-you-run/1627?tag=nl.e101&s_cid=e101&ttag=e101

Thousands of businesses failed to migrate from XP to Vista, for obvious
reasons and now that they may have been willing to move to Windows7,
Microsoft has removed any steps between XP and Windows8. Businesses are
finding they have no where to go. Big business has no intension on embracing
untried product with a dubious record so far. 

Just today a friend who works for a company called Soroc (they do all bank
computer maintenance and installation), one I use to work for, says the
banks are now seriously looking at moving their operation to Linux.

If this is the case Microsoft may have made a major blunder in trying to
force everyone to use Win8 by removing Win7.

Even NASA is moving to Linux not Windows. ;-)

https://www.linux.com/news/featured-blogs/191-linux-training/711318-linux-fo
undation-training-prepares-the-international-space-station-for-linux-migrati
on

Jim 


From jon.tydda at lonza.com  Thu Apr 11 03:22:50 2013
From: jon.tydda at lonza.com (Tydda Jon - Lonza Slough)
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 10:22:50 +0200
Subject: [dba-Tech] Are we being forced to migrate to Linux?
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That's crazy - who migrates XP age hardware to Windows 8?


Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 9:01 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: [dba-Tech] Are we being forced to migrate to Linux?

The following article attempts to scare the users of XP into using what?

http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/european-technology/ok-so-stick-with-window
s-xp-but-how-big-a-risk-do-you-run/1627?tag=nl.e101&s_cid=e101&ttag=e101

Thousands of businesses failed to migrate from XP to Vista, for obvious reasons and now that they may have been willing to move to Windows7, Microsoft has removed any steps between XP and Windows8. Businesses are finding they have no where to go. Big business has no intension on embracing untried product with a dubious record so far.

Just today a friend who works for a company called Soroc (they do all bank computer maintenance and installation), one I use to work for, says the banks are now seriously looking at moving their operation to Linux.

If this is the case Microsoft may have made a major blunder in trying to force everyone to use Win8 by removing Win7.

Even NASA is moving to Linux not Windows. ;-)

https://www.linux.com/news/featured-blogs/191-linux-training/711318-linux-fo
undation-training-prepares-the-international-space-station-for-linux-migrati
on

Jim

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From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Thu Apr 11 03:28:53 2013
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 12:28:53 +0400
Subject: [dba-Tech]
 =?utf-8?q?Are_we_being_forced_to_migrate_to_Linux=3F?=
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 "Microsoft Works" - oxymoron - just kidding :)

If seriously, recently I have had opportunity to "touch" some Eclipse (with Java) and Geany (with C/C++) under Ubuntu Win 8 Hyper-V VM. 
First impression: all that stuff isn't as developers friendly as MS Visual Studio 2012 and C# etc. are but one can adapt to work with them rather quickly, and I guess there should be other more developers' friendly IDEs running under Linux/Unix?

Resume: Having got just a very little introductory experience with some Linux/Unix developers tools I'm starting to suppose (I can be wrong) that Microsoft is in real danger especially assuming that the new generation programmers are mainly taught using C/C+, Java, Python, PHP, Linux etc. ...

-- Shamil

???????, 11 ?????? 2013, 1:00 -07:00 ?? "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca>:
>The following article attempts to scare the users of XP into using what?
>
>http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/european-technology/ok-so-stick-with-window
>s-xp-but-how-big-a-risk-do-you-run/1627?tag=nl.e101&s_cid=e101&ttag=e101
>
>Thousands of businesses failed to migrate from XP to Vista, for obvious
>reasons and now that they may have been willing to move to Windows7,
>Microsoft has removed any steps between XP and Windows8. Businesses are
>finding they have no where to go. Big business has no intension on embracing
>untried product with a dubious record so far. 
>
>Just today a friend who works for a company called Soroc (they do all bank
>computer maintenance and installation), one I use to work for, says the
>banks are now seriously looking at moving their operation to Linux.
>
>If this is the case Microsoft may have made a major blunder in trying to
>force everyone to use Win8 by removing Win7.
>
>Even NASA is moving to Linux not Windows. ;-)
>
>https://www.linux.com/news/featured-blogs/191-linux-training/711318-linux-fo
>undation-training-prepares-the-international-space-station-for-linux-migrati
>on
>
>Jim 
>
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From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Thu Apr 11 03:38:10 2013
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 01:38:10 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: "naive as communism" - Was:Re[2]:  Bitcoins
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Sorry, Shamil, but could you just say what it is you are objecting to? I claimed that the fundamental principles behind communism at its core is naive. You objected, saying that it is a contradiction in terms to equate communism to being naive. Please explain why.

Best regards,
Hans-Christian Andersen


On 11 Apr 2013, at 00:35, Salakhetdinov Shamil <mcp2004 at mail.ru> wrote:

> 
> Sorry, then it sounds very naive.
> 
> Did you read "We the Living" by Ayn Rand (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/We_the_Living)?
> 
> Or "My Little Leniniana" by Venedikt Yerofeyev (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venedikt_Yerofeyev) - here is the text in Russian (http://www.gatehouse.ru/lenin/esho/erofeev.shtml)
> 
> If there exists there an English translation of "Lozhitsia mgla na starye stupeni" by Alexander Chudakov ("http://www.amazon.com/Lozhitsia-mgla-na-starye-stupeni/dp/5969107832/ref=sr_1_fkmr1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1365664732&sr=8-1-fkmr1&keywords=alexander+chudakov) then by reading this book one may try to realize how "naive" was communistic regime here, how *real* people lived under its pressure from 1917 till 1991...
> "Communism goes against human nature" (http://public.wsu.edu/~brians/hum_303/nature.html). This statement is proven by "real life brutal experiment" in this country, and unfortunately is still continuing to be proved everyday in many other countries of this small world. Period.
> 
> Sorry for off-topic. 
> -- Shamil
> ?????, 10 ?????? 2013, 23:29 -07:00 ?? Hans-Christian Andersen <hans.andersen at phulse.com>:
>> No.
>> 
>> - Hans
>> 
>> 
>> On 2013-04-10, at 10:35 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil < mcp2004 at mail.ru > wrote:
>> 
>>> "naive as communism" - used as oxymoron here?
>>> 
>>> -- Shamil
>>> 
>>> ?????, 10 ?????? 2013, 18:15 -07:00 ?? Hans-Christian Andersen < hans.andersen at phulse.com >:
>>>> I doubt it. It's human group psychology (herd mentality). If enough people are dumping something, suddenly fear and uncertainty sets in and everyone starts dumping it, even if there is no rational reason to.
>>>> 
>>>> If everyone is expecting something to crash, then it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy. The opposite is true.
>>>> 
>>>> I'm willing to bet that, if we saw a big group of people running frantically in one direction, most of us would look around for a moment and blink, and then join them even if you didn't see anything, because you would assume the others have knowledge of something that you do not.
>>>> 
>>>> Which is why you need regulations and why those libertarian ideals of pure market capitalism and such are as naive as communism was.
>>>> 
>>>> Humans are not rational beings.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> - Hans
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 2013-04-10, at 5:32 PM, "Rocky Smolin" <  rockysmolin at bchacc.com > wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> What would cause anything - stock, bond, currency, commodity, collectible -
>>>>> anything, to go from 15 to 250 in three months.  IME, only two things -
>>>>> feverish speculation and manipulation.  IME, nothing fundamental would ever
>>>>> cause that.  Given the nature of bitcoin - unregulated, no real assets
>>>>> behind it really - I suspect a combination of the two with the emphasis on
>>>>> manipulation.  It smells of a 'pump and dump' scheme.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> R
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From:  dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>>>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hans-Christian
>>>>> Andersen
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2013 3:53 PM
>>>>> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>>>>> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Bitcoins
>>>>> 
>>>>> http://www.businessinsider.com/bitcoin-plunges-2013-4
>>>>> 
>>>>> Lol
>>>>> 
>>>>> - Hans
>>> <<< skipped >>>
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From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Thu Apr 11 03:45:49 2013
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 01:45:49 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Are we being forced to migrate to Linux?
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You are better off playing around with Netbeans, kdevelop or sublime text. Eclipse is a complete nightmare and geany is... ok-ish. Personally, I recommend netbeans for the full IDE experience or sublime for those who want a minimalist editor that has a lot of neat features for rapid application development. I jump between the two, depending on the situation.

Both are cross platform.

Best regards,
Hans-Christian Andersen


On 11 Apr 2013, at 01:28, Salakhetdinov Shamil <mcp2004 at mail.ru> wrote:

> "Microsoft Works" - oxymoron - just kidding :)
> 
> If seriously, recently I have had opportunity to "touch" some Eclipse (with Java) and Geany (with C/C++) under Ubuntu Win 8 Hyper-V VM. 
> First impression: all that stuff isn't as developers friendly as MS Visual Studio 2012 and C# etc. are but one can adapt to work with them rather quickly, and I guess there should be other more developers' friendly IDEs running under Linux/Unix?
> 
> Resume: Having got just a very little introductory experience with some Linux/Unix developers tools I'm starting to suppose (I can be wrong) that Microsoft is in real danger especially assuming that the new generation programmers are mainly taught using C/C+, Java, Python, PHP, Linux etc. ...
> 
> -- Shamil
> 
> ???????, 11 ?????? 2013, 1:00 -07:00 ?? "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca>:
>> The following article attempts to scare the users of XP into using what
>> 
>> http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/european-technology/ok-so-stick-with-window
>> s-xp-but-how-big-a-risk-do-you-run/1627?tag=nl.e101&s_cid=e101&ttag=e101
>> 
>> Thousands of businesses failed to migrate from XP to Vista, for obvious
>> reasons and now that they may have been willing to move to Windows7,
>> Microsoft has removed any steps between XP and Windows8. Businesses are
>> finding they have no where to go. Big business has no intension on embracing
>> untried product with a dubious record so far. 
>> 
>> Just today a friend who works for a company called Soroc (they do all bank
>> computer maintenance and installation), one I use to work for, says the
>> banks are now seriously looking at moving their operation to Linux.
>> 
>> If this is the case Microsoft may have made a major blunder in trying to
>> force everyone to use Win8 by removing Win7.
>> 
>> Even NASA is moving to Linux not Windows. ;-)
>> 
>> https://www.linux.com/news/featured-blogs/191-linux-training/711318-linux-fo
>> undation-training-prepares-the-international-space-station-for-linux-migrati
>> on
>> 
>> Jim 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
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From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Thu Apr 11 04:27:58 2013
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 13:27:58 +0400
Subject: [dba-Tech]
 =?utf-8?q?OT=3A_=22naive_as_communism=22_-_Was=3ARe=5B?=
 =?utf-8?q?2=5D=3A__Bitcoins?=
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 Hans --

Sorry for my being a bit sharp - I'm objecting on using "naive as communism" words combination in any sense than as an oxymoron - IMO:

- all "communism?theoreticians/philosophers" since very ancient times were very cynical at least, or completely crazy at most - being cynical or crazy isn't equivalent to being naive IMO;
- all "communism supporters/guinea pigs" were brain washed and scared to death by their leaders - with the only choice - follow the leaders or die - the supporters/followers weren't naive at all: being brain washed or zombied, and scared to death (often on subconscious level deeply "injected" in one's blood cells) ?is not equivalent of being naive IMO.

Let's not elaborate more on this OT subject: communism doesn't result in any other reaction here than a deep?hatred with a hand subconsciously searching for an?ax?or a machine gun trigger....

Sorry again for my being a bit sharp.

-- Shamil


???????, 11 ?????? 2013, 1:38 -07:00 ?? Hans-Christian Andersen <hans.andersen at phulse.com>:
>Sorry, Shamil, but could you just say what it is you are objecting to? I claimed that the fundamental principles behind communism at its core is naive. You objected, saying that it is a contradiction in terms to equate communism to being naive. Please explain why.
>
>Best regards,
>Hans-Christian Andersen
>
>
>On 11 Apr 2013, at 00:35, Salakhetdinov Shamil < mcp2004 at mail.ru > wrote:
>
>> 
>> Sorry, then it sounds very naive.
>> 
>> Did you read "We the Living" by Ayn Rand ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/We_the_Living )?
>> 
>> Or "My Little Leniniana" by Venedikt Yerofeyev ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venedikt_Yerofeyev ) - here is the text in Russian ( http://www.gatehouse.ru/lenin/esho/erofeev.shtml )
>> 
>> If there exists there an English translation of "Lozhitsia mgla na starye stupeni" by Alexander Chudakov (" http://www.amazon.com/Lozhitsia-mgla-na-starye-stupeni/dp/5969107832/ref=sr_1_fkmr1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1365664732&sr=8-1-fkmr1&keywords=alexander+chudakov ) then by reading this book one may try to realize how "naive" was communistic regime here, how *real* people lived under its pressure from 1917 till 1991...
>> "Communism goes against human nature" ( http://public.wsu.edu/~brians/hum_303/nature.html ). This statement is proven by "real life brutal experiment" in this country, and unfortunately is still continuing to be proved everyday in many other countries of this small world. Period.
>> 
>> Sorry for off-topic. 
>> -- Shamil
>> ?????, 10 ?????? 2013, 23:29 -07:00 ?? Hans-Christian Andersen < hans.andersen at phulse.com >:
>>> No.
>>> 
>>> - Hans
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 2013-04-10, at 10:35 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil <  mcp2004 at mail.ru > wrote:
>>> 
>>>> "naive as communism" - used as oxymoron here?
>>>> 
>>>> -- Shamil
>>>> 
>>>> ?????, 10 ?????? 2013, 18:15 -07:00 ?? Hans-Christian Andersen <  hans.andersen at phulse.com >:
>>>>> I doubt it. It's human group psychology (herd mentality). If enough people are dumping something, suddenly fear and uncertainty sets in and everyone starts dumping it, even if there is no rational reason to.
>>>>> 
>>>>> If everyone is expecting something to crash, then it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy. The opposite is true.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I'm willing to bet that, if we saw a big group of people running frantically in one direction, most of us would look around for a moment and blink, and then join them even if you didn't see anything, because you would assume the others have knowledge of something that you do not.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Which is why you need regulations and why those libertarian ideals of pure market capitalism and such are as naive as communism was.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Humans are not rational beings.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> - Hans
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 2013-04-10, at 5:32 PM, "Rocky Smolin" <  rockysmolin at bchacc.com > wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> What would cause anything - stock, bond, currency, commodity, collectible -
>>>>>> anything, to go from 15 to 250 in three months.  IME, only two things -
>>>>>> feverish speculation and manipulation.  IME, nothing fundamental would ever
>>>>>> cause that.  Given the nature of bitcoin - unregulated, no real assets
>>>>>> behind it really - I suspect a combination of the two with the emphasis on
>>>>>> manipulation.  It smells of a 'pump and dump' scheme.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> R
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From:  dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>>>>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hans-Christian
>>>>>> Andersen
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2013 3:53 PM
>>>>>> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Bitcoins
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>  http://www.businessinsider.com/bitcoin-plunges-2013-4
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Lol
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> - Hans
>>>> <<< skipped >>>

From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Thu Apr 11 04:30:48 2013
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 13:30:48 +0400
Subject: [dba-Tech]
 =?utf-8?q?Are_we_being_forced_to_migrate_to_Linux=3F?=
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 Thank you, Hans, I will note on and will definitely try netbeans and/or sublime, no sure when, hopefully somewhere this year.

-- Shamil

???????, 11 ?????? 2013, 1:45 -07:00 ?? Hans-Christian Andersen <hans.andersen at phulse.com>:
>You are better off playing around with Netbeans, kdevelop or sublime text. Eclipse is a complete nightmare and geany is... ok-ish. Personally, I recommend netbeans for the full IDE experience or sublime for those who want a minimalist editor that has a lot of neat features for rapid application development. I jump between the two, depending on the situation.
>
>Both are cross platform.
>
>Best regards,
>Hans-Christian Andersen
>
>
>On 11 Apr 2013, at 01:28, Salakhetdinov Shamil < mcp2004 at mail.ru > wrote:
>
>> "Microsoft Works" - oxymoron - just kidding :)
>> 
>> If seriously, recently I have had opportunity to "touch" some Eclipse (with Java) and Geany (with C/C++) under Ubuntu Win 8 Hyper-V VM. 
>> First impression: all that stuff isn't as developers friendly as MS Visual Studio 2012 and C# etc. are but one can adapt to work with them rather quickly, and I guess there should be other more developers' friendly IDEs running under Linux/Unix?
>> 
>> Resume: Having got just a very little introductory experience with some Linux/Unix developers tools I'm starting to suppose (I can be wrong) that Microsoft is in real danger especially assuming that the new generation programmers are mainly taught using C/C+, Java, Python, PHP, Linux etc. ...
>> 
>> -- Shamil
>> 
>> ???????, 11 ?????? 2013, 1:00 -07:00 ?? "Jim Lawrence" < accessd at shaw.ca >:
>>> The following article attempts to scare the users of XP into using what
>>> 
>>>  http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/european-technology/ok-so-stick-with-window
>>> s-xp-but-how-big-a-risk-do-you-run/1627?tag=nl.e101&s_cid=e101&ttag=e101
>>> 
>>> Thousands of businesses failed to migrate from XP to Vista, for obvious
>>> reasons and now that they may have been willing to move to Windows7,
>>> Microsoft has removed any steps between XP and Windows8. Businesses are
>>> finding they have no where to go. Big business has no intension on embracing
>>> untried product with a dubious record so far. 
>>> 
>>> Just today a friend who works for a company called Soroc (they do all bank
>>> computer maintenance and installation), one I use to work for, says the
>>> banks are now seriously looking at moving their operation to Linux.
>>> 
>>> If this is the case Microsoft may have made a major blunder in trying to
>>> force everyone to use Win8 by removing Win7.
>>> 
>>> Even NASA is moving to Linux not Windows. ;-)
>>> 
>>>  https://www.linux.com/news/featured-blogs/191-linux-training/711318-linux-fo
>>> undation-training-prepares-the-international-space-station-for-linux-migrati
>>> on
>>> 
>>> Jim 
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> dba-Tech mailing list
>>>  dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>>>  http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>>> Website:  http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>> 
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Apr 11 10:51:46 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 08:51:46 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: "naive as communism" - Was:Re[2]:  Bitcoins
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Just a note and not wishing to continue this thread further but I tend not
to blame the political theory of Communism just those applying it. A
dictatorship regardless of the politic face used is still just a
dictatorship.

The Israelis have been practicing Communism, in communities called Kibbutz
(sp) for over 50 years. The difference is that it is all voluntary. 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kibbutz

Jim 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov
Shamil
Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 2:28 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] OT: "naive as communism" - Was:Re[2]: Bitcoins

 Hans --

Sorry for my being a bit sharp - I'm objecting on using "naive as communism"
words combination in any sense than as an oxymoron - IMO:

- all "communism?theoreticians/philosophers" since very ancient times were
very cynical at least, or completely crazy at most - being cynical or crazy
isn't equivalent to being naive IMO;
- all "communism supporters/guinea pigs" were brain washed and scared to
death by their leaders - with the only choice - follow the leaders or die -
the supporters/followers weren't naive at all: being brain washed or
zombied, and scared to death (often on subconscious level deeply "injected"
in one's blood cells) ?is not equivalent of being naive IMO.

Let's not elaborate more on this OT subject: communism doesn't result in any
other reaction here than a deep?hatred with a hand subconsciously searching
for an?ax?or a machine gun trigger....

Sorry again for my being a bit sharp.

-- Shamil


???????, 11 ?????? 2013, 1:38 -07:00 ?? Hans-Christian Andersen
<hans.andersen at phulse.com>:
>Sorry, Shamil, but could you just say what it is you are objecting to? I
claimed that the fundamental principles behind communism at its core is
naive. You objected, saying that it is a contradiction in terms to equate
communism to being naive. Please explain why.
>
>Best regards,
>Hans-Christian Andersen
>
>
>On 11 Apr 2013, at 00:35, Salakhetdinov Shamil < mcp2004 at mail.ru > wrote:
>
>> 
>> Sorry, then it sounds very naive.
>> 
>> Did you read "We the Living" by Ayn Rand (
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/We_the_Living )?
>> 
>> Or "My Little Leniniana" by Venedikt Yerofeyev (
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venedikt_Yerofeyev ) - here is the text in
Russian ( http://www.gatehouse.ru/lenin/esho/erofeev.shtml )
>> 
>> If there exists there an English translation of "Lozhitsia mgla na starye
stupeni" by Alexander Chudakov ("
http://www.amazon.com/Lozhitsia-mgla-na-starye-stupeni/dp/5969107832/ref=sr_
1_fkmr1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1365664732&sr=8-1-fkmr1&keywords=alexander+chudakov )
then by reading this book one may try to realize how "naive" was communistic
regime here, how *real* people lived under its pressure from 1917 till
1991...
>> "Communism goes against human nature" (
http://public.wsu.edu/~brians/hum_303/nature.html ). This statement is
proven by "real life brutal experiment" in this country, and unfortunately
is still continuing to be proved everyday in many other countries of this
small world. Period.
>> 
>> Sorry for off-topic. 
>> -- Shamil
>> ?????, 10 ?????? 2013, 23:29 -07:00 ?? Hans-Christian Andersen <
hans.andersen at phulse.com >:
>>> No.
>>> 
>>> - Hans
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 2013-04-10, at 10:35 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil <  mcp2004 at mail.ru >
wrote:
>>> 
>>>> "naive as communism" - used as oxymoron here?
>>>> 
>>>> -- Shamil
>>>> 
>>>> ?????, 10 ?????? 2013, 18:15 -07:00 ?? Hans-Christian Andersen <
hans.andersen at phulse.com >:
>>>>> I doubt it. It's human group psychology (herd mentality). If enough
people are dumping something, suddenly fear and uncertainty sets in and
everyone starts dumping it, even if there is no rational reason to.
>>>>> 
>>>>> If everyone is expecting something to crash, then it becomes a self
fulfilling prophecy. The opposite is true.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I'm willing to bet that, if we saw a big group of people running
frantically in one direction, most of us would look around for a moment and
blink, and then join them even if you didn't see anything, because you would
assume the others have knowledge of something that you do not.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Which is why you need regulations and why those libertarian ideals of
pure market capitalism and such are as naive as communism was.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Humans are not rational beings.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> - Hans
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 2013-04-10, at 5:32 PM, "Rocky Smolin" <  rockysmolin at bchacc.com >
wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> What would cause anything - stock, bond, currency, commodity,
collectible -
>>>>>> anything, to go from 15 to 250 in three months.  IME, only two things
-
>>>>>> feverish speculation and manipulation.  IME, nothing fundamental
would ever
>>>>>> cause that.  Given the nature of bitcoin - unregulated, no real
assets
>>>>>> behind it really - I suspect a combination of the two with the
emphasis on
>>>>>> manipulation.  It smells of a 'pump and dump' scheme.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> R
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From:  dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>>>>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Hans-Christian
>>>>>> Andersen
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2013 3:53 PM
>>>>>> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Bitcoins
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>  http://www.businessinsider.com/bitcoin-plunges-2013-4
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Lol
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> - Hans
>>>> <<< skipped >>>
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From peter.brawley at earthlink.net  Thu Apr 11 11:09:56 2013
From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley)
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 11:09:56 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Bitcoins
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On 2013-04-10 7:32 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote:
> What would cause anything - stock, bond, currency, commodity, collectible -
> anything, to go from 15 to 250 in three months.  IME, only two things -
> feverish speculation and manipulation.

But that's the thing about real markets---price "fundamentals" consist 
of the prices people are willing to pay.

PB

-----

> IME, nothing fundamental would ever
> cause that.  Given the nature of bitcoin - unregulated, no real assets
> behind it really - I suspect a combination of the two with the emphasis on
> manipulation.  It smells of a 'pump and dump' scheme.
>
>
> R
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hans-Christian
> Andersen
> Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2013 3:53 PM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Bitcoins
>
> http://www.businessinsider.com/bitcoin-plunges-2013-4
>
> Lol
>
> - Hans
>
>
> On 2013-04-10, at 1:45 PM, "Rocky Smolin" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:
>
>> <= 30 days.  I'd short it if I had the cojones for that sort of thing.
>>
>> R
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim
>> Lawrence
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2013 11:05 AM
>> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
>> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Bitcoins
>>
>> My guess is "Bitcoin"... but this is hardly unusual.
>>
>> Any bets on the timing?
>>
>> Jim
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart
>> McLachlan
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2013 2:33 PM
>> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Bitcoins
>>
>> Who can spell "bubble"?
>>
>>
>>
>> On 9 Apr 2013 at 9:48, Jim Lawrence wrote:
>>
>>> To All:
>>>
>>> It appears that as other currencies falter or as the market has been
>>> fluctuating. The flight to another stable or at least currency
>>> outside the existing banking cartelle has been increasing. Bitcoin
>>> value has been bounding up.
>>>
>>> Last week the Bitcoin currency has hit a new height of around $180 a
>>> coin, up from $72 last week which is up from $26 a little over a
>>> month
>> ago.
>>> The theory behind the coin is that it reflects the true value of
>>> world currency but I feel it is now opening up to the asperations of
>>> speculators...not a good a thing at the best of times...but some
>>> aquaintances, at least on paper, have made a substantual profit. In
>> reality,
>>> its true value can only be accessed when purchasing products and that
>>> has not been truly tested.
>>>
>>> Jim
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina
>>> Norris Fields
>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2013 5:18 AM
>>> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>>> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Bitcoins
>>>
>>> Thanks, Jon.  I wasn't talking about Bitcoins, but I was listening in.
>>> I'm interested in the phenomenon and fascinated by watching it.
>>> T
>>>
>>> Tina Norris Fields
>>> tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
>>> 231-322-2787
>>>
>>> On 4/8/2013 5:42 PM, Jon Tydda wrote:
>>>> Hi all
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I can't remember who was talking about Bitcoins recently, but I
>>>> thought you'd be interested in this:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-22064534#
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Jon
>>>>
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From peter.brawley at earthlink.net  Thu Apr 11 11:11:09 2013
From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley)
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 11:11:09 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: "naive as communism" - Was:Re[2]:  Bitcoins
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On 2013-04-11 2:35 AM, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote:
> Sorry, then it sounds very naive.
>
> Did you read "We the Living" by Ayn Rand (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/We_the_Living)?

Yes, long ago. Garbage.

PB

-----

>
> Or "My Little Leniniana" by Venedikt Yerofeyev (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venedikt_Yerofeyev) - here is the text in Russian (http://www.gatehouse.ru/lenin/esho/erofeev.shtml)
>
> If there exists there an English translation of "Lozhitsia mgla na starye stupeni" by Alexander Chudakov ("http://www.amazon.com/Lozhitsia-mgla-na-starye-stupeni/dp/5969107832/ref=sr_1_fkmr1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1365664732&sr=8-1-fkmr1&keywords=alexander+chudakov) then by reading this book one may try to realize how "naive" was communistic regime here, how *real* people lived under its pressure from 1917 till 1991...
> "Communism goes against human nature" (http://public.wsu.edu/~brians/hum_303/nature.html). This statement is proven by "real life brutal experiment" in this country, and unfortunately is still continuing to be proved everyday in many other countries of this small world. Period.
>
> Sorry for off-topic.
> -- Shamil
> ?????, 10 ?????? 2013, 23:29 -07:00 ?? Hans-Christian Andersen <hans.andersen at phulse.com>:
>> No.
>>
>> - Hans
>>
>>
>> On 2013-04-10, at 10:35 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil < mcp2004 at mail.ru > wrote:
>>
>>> "naive as communism" - used as oxymoron here?
>>>
>>> -- Shamil
>>>
>>> ?????, 10 ?????? 2013, 18:15 -07:00 ?? Hans-Christian Andersen < hans.andersen at phulse.com >:
>>>> I doubt it. It's human group psychology (herd mentality). If enough people are dumping something, suddenly fear and uncertainty sets in and everyone starts dumping it, even if there is no rational reason to.
>>>>
>>>> If everyone is expecting something to crash, then it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy. The opposite is true.
>>>>
>>>> I'm willing to bet that, if we saw a big group of people running frantically in one direction, most of us would look around for a moment and blink, and then join them even if you didn't see anything, because you would assume the others have knowledge of something that you do not.
>>>>
>>>> Which is why you need regulations and why those libertarian ideals of pure market capitalism and such are as naive as communism was.
>>>>
>>>> Humans are not rational beings.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> - Hans
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 2013-04-10, at 5:32 PM, "Rocky Smolin" <  rockysmolin at bchacc.com > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> What would cause anything - stock, bond, currency, commodity, collectible -
>>>>> anything, to go from 15 to 250 in three months.  IME, only two things -
>>>>> feverish speculation and manipulation.  IME, nothing fundamental would ever
>>>>> cause that.  Given the nature of bitcoin - unregulated, no real assets
>>>>> behind it really - I suspect a combination of the two with the emphasis on
>>>>> manipulation.  It smells of a 'pump and dump' scheme.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> R
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From:  dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>>>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hans-Christian
>>>>> Andersen
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2013 3:53 PM
>>>>> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>>>>> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Bitcoins
>>>>>
>>>>>   http://www.businessinsider.com/bitcoin-plunges-2013-4
>>>>>
>>>>> Lol
>>>>>
>>>>> - Hans
>>> <<< skipped >>>
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From peter.brawley at earthlink.net  Thu Apr 11 11:13:18 2013
From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley)
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 11:13:18 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Are we being forced to migrate to Linux?
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On 2013-04-11 3:00 AM, Jim Lawrence wrote:
> The following article attempts to scare the users of XP into using what?
>
> http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/european-technology/ok-so-stick-with-window
> s-xp-but-how-big-a-risk-do-you-run/1627?tag=nl.e101&s_cid=e101&ttag=e101
>
> Thousands of businesses failed to migrate from XP to Vista, for obvious
> reasons and now that they may have been willing to move to Windows7,
> Microsoft has removed any steps between XP and Windows8. Businesses are
> finding they have no where to go. Big business has no intension on embracing
> untried product with a dubious record so far.
>
> Just today a friend who works for a company called Soroc (they do all bank
> computer maintenance and installation), one I use to work for, says the
> banks are now seriously looking at moving their operation to Linux.
>
> If this is the case Microsoft may have made a major blunder in trying to
> force everyone to use Win8 by removing Win7.

More than a blunder---continued abuse of their market power over their 
users.

PB

-----

>
> Even NASA is moving to Linux not Windows. ;-)
>
> https://www.linux.com/news/featured-blogs/191-linux-training/711318-linux-fo
> undation-training-prepares-the-international-space-station-for-linux-migrati
> on
>
> Jim
>
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Thu Apr 11 11:24:41 2013
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 09:24:41 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Bitcoins
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In common financial parlance the term 'fundamentals' generally excludes
speculation and manipulation.  If you want to include speculation in the
definition then we need a different second word, I think.  

R

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Peter Brawley
Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 9:10 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Bitcoins

On 2013-04-10 7:32 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote:
> What would cause anything - stock, bond, currency, commodity, 
> collectible - anything, to go from 15 to 250 in three months.  IME, 
> only two things - feverish speculation and manipulation.

But that's the thing about real markets---price "fundamentals" consist of
the prices people are willing to pay.

PB

-----

> IME, nothing fundamental would ever
> cause that.  Given the nature of bitcoin - unregulated, no real assets 
> behind it really - I suspect a combination of the two with the 
> emphasis on manipulation.  It smells of a 'pump and dump' scheme.
>
>
> R
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Hans-Christian Andersen
> Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2013 3:53 PM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Bitcoins
>
> http://www.businessinsider.com/bitcoin-plunges-2013-4
>
> Lol
>
> - Hans
>
>
> On 2013-04-10, at 1:45 PM, "Rocky Smolin" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:
>
>> <= 30 days.  I'd short it if I had the cojones for that sort of thing.
>>
>> R
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim 
>> Lawrence
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2013 11:05 AM
>> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
>> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Bitcoins
>>
>> My guess is "Bitcoin"... but this is hardly unusual.
>>
>> Any bets on the timing?
>>
>> Jim
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart 
>> McLachlan
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2013 2:33 PM
>> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Bitcoins
>>
>> Who can spell "bubble"?
>>
>>
>>
>> On 9 Apr 2013 at 9:48, Jim Lawrence wrote:
>>
>>> To All:
>>>
>>> It appears that as other currencies falter or as the market has been 
>>> fluctuating. The flight to another stable or at least currency 
>>> outside the existing banking cartelle has been increasing. Bitcoin 
>>> value has been bounding up.
>>>
>>> Last week the Bitcoin currency has hit a new height of around $180 a 
>>> coin, up from $72 last week which is up from $26 a little over a 
>>> month
>> ago.
>>> The theory behind the coin is that it reflects the true value of 
>>> world currency but I feel it is now opening up to the asperations of 
>>> speculators...not a good a thing at the best of times...but some 
>>> aquaintances, at least on paper, have made a substantual profit. In
>> reality,
>>> its true value can only be accessed when purchasing products and 
>>> that has not been truly tested.
>>>
>>> Jim
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina 
>>> Norris Fields
>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2013 5:18 AM
>>> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>>> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Bitcoins
>>>
>>> Thanks, Jon.  I wasn't talking about Bitcoins, but I was listening in.
>>> I'm interested in the phenomenon and fascinated by watching it.
>>> T
>>>
>>> Tina Norris Fields
>>> tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
>>> 231-322-2787
>>>
>>> On 4/8/2013 5:42 PM, Jon Tydda wrote:
>>>> Hi all
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I can't remember who was talking about Bitcoins recently, but I 
>>>> thought you'd be interested in this:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-22064534#
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Jon
>>>>
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Apr 11 12:30:06 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 10:30:06 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Google Reader
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Hi All:

For those affected by the abandonment of Google Reader here are some
choices:

http://lifehacker.com/5990456/google-reader-is-getting-shut-down-here-are-th
e-best-alternatives

Jim


From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Thu Apr 11 13:04:51 2013
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 11:04:51 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Are we being forced to migrate to Linux?
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This is bad news for Microsoft. Its being reported today that PC sales dropped by 14% this quarter, Windows 8 is being considered a flop and Microsoft isn't able to make a meaningful dent in the mobile/tablet space.

Chickens coming home to roost?

- Hans


On 2013-04-11, at 9:13 AM, Peter Brawley <peter.brawley at earthlink.net> wrote:

> 
> On 2013-04-11 3:00 AM, Jim Lawrence wrote:
>> The following article attempts to scare the users of XP into using what?
>> 
>> http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/european-technology/ok-so-stick-with-window
>> s-xp-but-how-big-a-risk-do-you-run/1627?tag=nl.e101&s_cid=e101&ttag=e101
>> 
>> Thousands of businesses failed to migrate from XP to Vista, for obvious
>> reasons and now that they may have been willing to move to Windows7,
>> Microsoft has removed any steps between XP and Windows8. Businesses are
>> finding they have no where to go. Big business has no intension on embracing
>> untried product with a dubious record so far.
>> 
>> Just today a friend who works for a company called Soroc (they do all bank
>> computer maintenance and installation), one I use to work for, says the
>> banks are now seriously looking at moving their operation to Linux.
>> 
>> If this is the case Microsoft may have made a major blunder in trying to
>> force everyone to use Win8 by removing Win7.
> 
> More than a blunder---continued abuse of their market power over their users.
> 
> PB
> 
> -----
> 
>> 
>> Even NASA is moving to Linux not Windows. ;-)
>> 
>> https://www.linux.com/news/featured-blogs/191-linux-training/711318-linux-fo
>> undation-training-prepares-the-international-space-station-for-linux-migrati
>> on
>> 
>> Jim
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
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> 
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From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Thu Apr 11 13:13:00 2013
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 19:13:00 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Are we being forced to migrate to Linux?
In-Reply-To: <54FC0AB1-B5E7-47D4-81AF-1F758209EC92@phulse.com>
References: <004101ce34a1$eaa90ed0$bffb2c70$@tydda.plus.com>
	<51640710.9090704@torchlake.com>
	<E35E9B180430445BBA3445F0D1C2B833@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<51648915.24304.83D5F960@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<A6489030F21C4DCFA5C347F37B9EE122@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<CD3614EA346F41008AE0151A0EFE40C5@HAL9007>
	<D1FBE6FD-8DCB-400F-98A2-7C545F869D9B@phulse.com>
	<778259F169C64AD7A6187EB00EF0BD3A@HAL9007>
	<0C0D6E5C-C13E-4513-89C3-8BFCD5D0D4D6@phulse.com>
	<5348F2868687491DB36DDF0EAB125CAD@HAL9007>
	<3AF22EAF8F534D29B32BBA572651CBF0@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<5166E11E.7000209@earthlink.net>
	<54FC0AB1-B5E7-47D4-81AF-1F758209EC92@phulse.com>
Message-ID: <F1A458B0-94F2-45B4-8F54-737F7729B77C@qub.ac.uk>

I must be missing something. Where does it say you can't upgrade from xp to win 7

Martin

Sent from my iPad

On 11 Apr 2013, at 19:05, "Hans-Christian Andersen" <hans.andersen at phulse.com> wrote:

> This is bad news for Microsoft. Its being reported today that PC sales dropped by 14% this quarter, Windows 8 is being considered a flop and Microsoft isn't able to make a meaningful dent in the mobile/tablet space.
> 
> Chickens coming home to roost?
> 
> - Hans
> 
> 
> On 2013-04-11, at 9:13 AM, Peter Brawley <peter.brawley at earthlink.net> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> On 2013-04-11 3:00 AM, Jim Lawrence wrote:
>>> The following article attempts to scare the users of XP into using what?
>>> 
>>> http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/european-technology/ok-so-stick-with-window
>>> s-xp-but-how-big-a-risk-do-you-run/1627?tag=nl.e101&s_cid=e101&ttag=e101
>>> 
>>> Thousands of businesses failed to migrate from XP to Vista, for obvious
>>> reasons and now that they may have been willing to move to Windows7,
>>> Microsoft has removed any steps between XP and Windows8. Businesses are
>>> finding they have no where to go. Big business has no intension on embracing
>>> untried product with a dubious record so far.
>>> 
>>> Just today a friend who works for a company called Soroc (they do all bank
>>> computer maintenance and installation), one I use to work for, says the
>>> banks are now seriously looking at moving their operation to Linux.
>>> 
>>> If this is the case Microsoft may have made a major blunder in trying to
>>> force everyone to use Win8 by removing Win7.
>> 
>> More than a blunder---continued abuse of their market power over their users.
>> 
>> PB
>> 
>> -----
>> 
>>> 
>>> Even NASA is moving to Linux not Windows. ;-)
>>> 
>>> https://www.linux.com/news/featured-blogs/191-linux-training/711318-linux-fo
>>> undation-training-prepares-the-international-space-station-for-linux-migrati
>>> on
>>> 
>>> Jim
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> dba-Tech mailing list
>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
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>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
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From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Thu Apr 11 18:15:01 2013
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 16:15:01 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Microsoft and Oracle attacking Android for being free
In-Reply-To: <F1A458B0-94F2-45B4-8F54-737F7729B77C@qub.ac.uk>
References: <004101ce34a1$eaa90ed0$bffb2c70$@tydda.plus.com>
	<51640710.9090704@torchlake.com>
	<E35E9B180430445BBA3445F0D1C2B833@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<51648915.24304.83D5F960@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<A6489030F21C4DCFA5C347F37B9EE122@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<CD3614EA346F41008AE0151A0EFE40C5@HAL9007>
	<D1FBE6FD-8DCB-400F-98A2-7C545F869D9B@phulse.com>
	<778259F169C64AD7A6187EB00EF0BD3A@HAL9007>
	<0C0D6E5C-C13E-4513-89C3-8BFCD5D0D4D6@phulse.com>
	<5348F2868687491DB36DDF0EAB125CAD@HAL9007>
	<3AF22EAF8F534D29B32BBA572651CBF0@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<5166E11E.7000209@earthlink.net>
	<54FC0AB1-B5E7-47D4-81AF-1F758209EC92@phulse.com>
	<F1A458B0-94F2-45B4-8F54-737F7729B77C@qub.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <4C09A5FE-20FF-4BEF-B5BD-3856E52CBAE1@phulse.com>

For Microsoft and Oracle, irony knows no bounds.

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/04/opinion-antitrust-complaint-against-android-is-an-attack-on-open-source/

As they say, a tiger never changes its stripes.

- Hans

From kathryn at bassett.net  Thu Apr 11 20:36:51 2013
From: kathryn at bassett.net (Kathryn Bassett)
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 18:36:51 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Google Reader
In-Reply-To: <CB4398B4AE424BCD8A96EEB34AFEFCB9@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <004101ce34a1$eaa90ed0$bffb2c70$@tydda.plus.com><5348F2868687491DB36DDF0EAB125CAD@HAL9007><3AF22EAF8F534D29B32BBA572651CBF0@creativesystemdesigns.com><1365668933.789131139@f306.mail.ru>	<562FDB89-69EF-4185-9DF6-993016CAD6B5@phulse.com>
	<CB4398B4AE424BCD8A96EEB34AFEFCB9@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAOIeTr63sZ5Ipryv+TZ45YcCiQAAEAAAAIZMjB8aFv1PgBsvkNhlqr0BAAAAAA==@bassett.net>

When they first made the announcement, I found several similar place sites
with choices. I tried several of them and didn't like most of them. I
decided to go with the Old Reader for the time being. However, I like the
looks of NetVibes. Only problem is that there doesn't seem to be a way to
import, so I'll had to add my feeds by hand. Just haven't had time to do
that yet.

One word of caution: whatever you decide on, it may take a while to get the
import done because everyone else it trying to as well. Old Reader took
almost a week to get it done. Every time I checked, it would say how many
people were in the queue ahead of me.

Kathryn

> -----Original Message-----
> For those affected by the abandonment of Google Reader here are some
> choices:
>
http://lifehacker.com/5990456/google-reader-is-getting-shut-down-here%20are-
the-best-alternatives 
> 
> Jim


From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Apr 12 01:52:24 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 23:52:24 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Are we being forced to migrate to Linux?
In-Reply-To: <F1A458B0-94F2-45B4-8F54-737F7729B77C@qub.ac.uk>
References: <004101ce34a1$eaa90ed0$bffb2c70$@tydda.plus.com><51640710.9090704@torchlake.com><E35E9B180430445BBA3445F0D1C2B833@creativesystemdesigns.com><51648915.24304.83D5F960@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg><A6489030F21C4DCFA5C347F37B9EE122@creativesystemdesigns.com><CD3614EA346F41008AE0151A0EFE40C5@HAL9007><D1FBE6FD-8DCB-400F-98A2-7C545F869D9B@phulse.com><778259F169C64AD7A6187EB00EF0BD3A@HAL9007><0C0D6E5C-C13E-4513-89C3-8BFCD5D0D4D6@phulse.com><5348F2868687491DB36DDF0EAB125CAD@HAL9007><3AF22EAF8F534D29B32BBA572651CBF0@creativesystemdesigns.com><5166E11E.7000209@earthlink.net><54FC0AB1-B5E7-47D4-81AF-1F758209EC92@phulse.com>
	<F1A458B0-94F2-45B4-8F54-737F7729B77C@qub.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <357453E28F4D4477978C26429497B90B@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Hi Martin:

I have no idea...maybe it is something to do with site licenses or
pre-installs from hardware suppliers (usual cost for pre-loads is about
$25-$55, depending on volume, per box as opposed to $250+ for individual
copies in after-market sales) but just maybe Microsoft has decided to allow,
within the last couple of weeks, pre-loaded Windows 7 boxes. 

That would be a very smart move on their part.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Martin Reid
Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 11:13 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Cc: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Are we being forced to migrate to Linux?

I must be missing something. Where does it say you can't upgrade from xp to
win 7

Martin

Sent from my iPad

On 11 Apr 2013, at 19:05, "Hans-Christian Andersen"
<hans.andersen at phulse.com> wrote:

> This is bad news for Microsoft. Its being reported today that PC sales
dropped by 14% this quarter, Windows 8 is being considered a flop and
Microsoft isn't able to make a meaningful dent in the mobile/tablet space.
> 
> Chickens coming home to roost?
> 
> - Hans
> 
> 
> On 2013-04-11, at 9:13 AM, Peter Brawley <peter.brawley at earthlink.net>
wrote:
> 
>> 
>> On 2013-04-11 3:00 AM, Jim Lawrence wrote:
>>> The following article attempts to scare the users of XP into using what?
>>> 
>>>
http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/european-technology/ok-so-stick-with-window
>>> s-xp-but-how-big-a-risk-do-you-run/1627?tag=nl.e101&s_cid=e101&ttag=e101
>>> 
>>> Thousands of businesses failed to migrate from XP to Vista, for obvious
>>> reasons and now that they may have been willing to move to Windows7,
>>> Microsoft has removed any steps between XP and Windows8. Businesses are
>>> finding they have no where to go. Big business has no intension on
embracing
>>> untried product with a dubious record so far.
>>> 
>>> Just today a friend who works for a company called Soroc (they do all
bank
>>> computer maintenance and installation), one I use to work for, says the
>>> banks are now seriously looking at moving their operation to Linux.
>>> 
>>> If this is the case Microsoft may have made a major blunder in trying to
>>> force everyone to use Win8 by removing Win7.
>> 
>> More than a blunder---continued abuse of their market power over their
users.
>> 
>> PB
>> 
>> -----
>> 
>>> 
>>> Even NASA is moving to Linux not Windows. ;-)
>>> 
>>>
https://www.linux.com/news/featured-blogs/191-linux-training/711318-linux-fo
>>>
undation-training-prepares-the-international-space-station-for-linux-migrati
>>> on
>>> 
>>> Jim
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> dba-Tech mailing list
>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> dba-Tech mailing list
>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Apr 12 11:34:04 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2013 09:34:04 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Google Reader
In-Reply-To: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAOIeTr63sZ5Ipryv+TZ45YcCiQAAEAAAAIZMjB8aFv1PgBsvkNhlqr0BAAAAAA==@bassett.net>
References: <004101ce34a1$eaa90ed0$bffb2c70$@tydda.plus.com><5348F2868687491DB36DDF0EAB125CAD@HAL9007><3AF22EAF8F534D29B32BBA572651CBF0@creativesystemdesigns.com><1365668933.789131139@f306.mail.ru>	<562FDB89-69EF-4185-9DF6-993016CAD6B5@phulse.com><CB4398B4AE424BCD8A96EEB34AFEFCB9@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAOIeTr63sZ5Ipryv+TZ45YcCiQAAEAAAAIZMjB8aFv1PgBsvkNhlqr0BAAAAAA==@bassett.net>
Message-ID: <C80FFBFEE487426583E4236CBD16262A@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Hi Kathryne:

Good insight. If you do run across an acceptable alternative please post.

Maybe if everyone sends a complaint to Google they will reverse their
decision.(?)

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kathryn Bassett
Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 6:37 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Google Reader

When they first made the announcement, I found several similar place sites
with choices. I tried several of them and didn't like most of them. I
decided to go with the Old Reader for the time being. However, I like the
looks of NetVibes. Only problem is that there doesn't seem to be a way to
import, so I'll had to add my feeds by hand. Just haven't had time to do
that yet.

One word of caution: whatever you decide on, it may take a while to get the
import done because everyone else it trying to as well. Old Reader took
almost a week to get it done. Every time I checked, it would say how many
people were in the queue ahead of me.

Kathryn

> -----Original Message-----
> For those affected by the abandonment of Google Reader here are some
> choices:
>
http://lifehacker.com/5990456/google-reader-is-getting-shut-down-here%20are-
the-best-alternatives 
> 
> Jim

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Apr 12 12:00:50 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2013 10:00:50 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Microsoft and Oracle attacking Android for being free
In-Reply-To: <4C09A5FE-20FF-4BEF-B5BD-3856E52CBAE1@phulse.com>
References: <004101ce34a1$eaa90ed0$bffb2c70$@tydda.plus.com><51640710.9090704@torchlake.com><E35E9B180430445BBA3445F0D1C2B833@creativesystemdesigns.com><51648915.24304.83D5F960@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg><A6489030F21C4DCFA5C347F37B9EE122@creativesystemdesigns.com><CD3614EA346F41008AE0151A0EFE40C5@HAL9007><D1FBE6FD-8DCB-400F-98A2-7C545F869D9B@phulse.com><778259F169C64AD7A6187EB00EF0BD3A@HAL9007><0C0D6E5C-C13E-4513-89C3-8BFCD5D0D4D6@phulse.com><5348F2868687491DB36DDF0EAB125CAD@HAL9007><3AF22EAF8F534D29B32BBA572651CBF0@creativesystemdesigns.com><5166E11E.7000209@earthlink.net><54FC0AB1-B5E7-47D4-81AF-1F758209EC92@phulse.com><F1A458B0-94F2-45B4-8F54-737F7729B77C@qub.ac.uk>
	<4C09A5FE-20FF-4BEF-B5BD-3856E52CBAE1@phulse.com>
Message-ID: <4276DF7145A34FD0AABFCB1E853F304E@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Hi Hans:

That truly is laughable but it also reeks a little of desperation.

Microsoft, in Europe, has been hammered form every direction, on anti-trust
practices and I hardly blame them for trying to divert attention. 

That said, Google is the master of the business practice called "Scorched
Earth Policy", in which they fill a product niche with free alternative
effectively wiping out the competition. After their competition has given
up, Google is then free to withdraw their free product and maybe even
introduce a paid for application replacement.

The truth be known, that Google has been instrumental at stalling the
aspiration of Microsoft, Oracle and many other companies. With Google's use
of SEP, friends may come and go but enemies accumulate. 

Jim 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hans-Christian
Andersen
Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 4:15 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] Microsoft and Oracle attacking Android for being free

For Microsoft and Oracle, irony knows no bounds.

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/04/opinion-antitrust-complaint-again
st-android-is-an-attack-on-open-source/

As they say, a tiger never changes its stripes.

- Hans
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From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Fri Apr 12 17:53:26 2013
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2013 15:53:26 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Google Reader
In-Reply-To: <C80FFBFEE487426583E4236CBD16262A@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <004101ce34a1$eaa90ed0$bffb2c70$@tydda.plus.com>
	<5348F2868687491DB36DDF0EAB125CAD@HAL9007>
	<3AF22EAF8F534D29B32BBA572651CBF0@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<1365668933.789131139@f306.mail.ru>
	<562FDB89-69EF-4185-9DF6-993016CAD6B5@phulse.com>
	<CB4398B4AE424BCD8A96EEB34AFEFCB9@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAOIeTr63sZ5Ipryv+TZ45YcCiQAAEAAAAIZMjB8aFv1PgBsvkNhlqr0BAAAAAA==@bassett.net>
	<C80FFBFEE487426583E4236CBD16262A@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <6C98CE81-2662-49AF-BD1B-FB2F0607838B@phulse.com>

I wouldn't count on it. Have you ever tried contacting Google for anything? Technical support, customer service, etc... It's virtually impossible. :p

- Hans


On 2013-04-12, at 9:34 AM, "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> Hi Kathryne:
> 
> Good insight. If you do run across an acceptable alternative please post.
> 
> Maybe if everyone sends a complaint to Google they will reverse their
> decision.(?)
> 
> Jim
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kathryn Bassett
> Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 6:37 PM
> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Google Reader
> 
> When they first made the announcement, I found several similar place sites
> with choices. I tried several of them and didn't like most of them. I
> decided to go with the Old Reader for the time being. However, I like the
> looks of NetVibes. Only problem is that there doesn't seem to be a way to
> import, so I'll had to add my feeds by hand. Just haven't had time to do
> that yet.
> 
> One word of caution: whatever you decide on, it may take a while to get the
> import done because everyone else it trying to as well. Old Reader took
> almost a week to get it done. Every time I checked, it would say how many
> people were in the queue ahead of me.
> 
> Kathryn
> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> For those affected by the abandonment of Google Reader here are some
>> choices:
> http://lifehacker.com/5990456/google-reader-is-getting-shut-down-here%20are-
> the-best-alternatives 
>> 
>> Jim
> 
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 
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From kathryn at bassett.net  Fri Apr 12 19:37:53 2013
From: kathryn at bassett.net (Kathryn Bassett)
Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2013 17:37:53 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Google Reader
In-Reply-To: <C80FFBFEE487426583E4236CBD16262A@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <004101ce34a1$eaa90ed0$bffb2c70$@tydda.plus.com><5348F2868687491DB36DDF0EAB125CAD@HAL9007><3AF22EAF8F534D29B32BBA572651CBF0@creativesystemdesigns.com><1365668933.789131139@f306.mail.ru>	<562FDB89-69EF-4185-9DF6-993016CAD6B5@phulse.com><CB4398B4AE424BCD8A96EEB34AFEFCB9@creativesystemdesigns.com>	<!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAOIeTr63sZ5Ipryv+TZ45YcCiQAAEAAAAIZMjB8aFv1PgBsvkNhlqr0BAAAAAA==@bassett.net>
	<C80FFBFEE487426583E4236CBD16262A@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAOIeTr63sZ5Ipryv+TZ45YcCiQAAEAAAAGYx3SgQA9hDg0RYvmre3D0BAAAAAA==@bassett.net>

I finally found where you can import the feeds into NetVibes. I played with
it last night and decided I like it even better than the Old Reader (so far,
anyway).

Posting this from the Saddle West RV Park in Pahrump Nevada where we will be
doing communications this weekend for the Baker2Vegas race. Then Sunday it's
off to Parker Arizona for a week with our camping group.

Kathryn

> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-
> bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
> Sent: 12 Apr 2013 9:34 AM
> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Google Reader
> 
> Hi Kathryne:
> 
> Good insight. If you do run across an acceptable alternative please post.
> 
> Maybe if everyone sends a complaint to Google they will reverse their
> decision.(?)
> 
> Jim
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kathryn
> Bassett
> Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 6:37 PM
> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Google Reader
> 
> When they first made the announcement, I found several similar place sites
> with choices. I tried several of them and didn't like most of them. I
decided to
> go with the Old Reader for the time being. However, I like the looks of
> NetVibes. Only problem is that there doesn't seem to be a way to import,
so
> I'll had to add my feeds by hand. Just haven't had time to do that yet.
> 
> One word of caution: whatever you decide on, it may take a while to get
the
> import done because everyone else it trying to as well. Old Reader took
> almost a week to get it done. Every time I checked, it would say how many
> people were in the queue ahead of me.
> 
> Kathryn
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > For those affected by the abandonment of Google Reader here are some
> > choices:
> >
> http://lifehacker.com/5990456/google-reader-is-getting-shut-down-
> here%20are-
> the-best-alternatives
> >
> > Jim
> 
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From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Fri Apr 12 23:43:59 2013
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2013 21:43:59 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] North Korean Missile Test Delayed By Windows 8
In-Reply-To: <357453E28F4D4477978C26429497B90B@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <004101ce34a1$eaa90ed0$bffb2c70$@tydda.plus.com>
	<51640710.9090704@torchlake.com>
	<E35E9B180430445BBA3445F0D1C2B833@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<51648915.24304.83D5F960@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<A6489030F21C4DCFA5C347F37B9EE122@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<CD3614EA346F41008AE0151A0EFE40C5@HAL9007>
	<D1FBE6FD-8DCB-400F-98A2-7C545F869D9B@phulse.com>
	<778259F169C64AD7A6187EB00EF0BD3A@HAL9007>
	<0C0D6E5C-C13E-4513-89C3-8BFCD5D0D4D6@phulse.com>
	<5348F2868687491DB36DDF0EAB125CAD@HAL9007>
	<3AF22EAF8F534D29B32BBA572651CBF0@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<5166E11E.7000209@earthlink.net>
	<54FC0AB1-B5E7-47D4-81AF-1F758209EC92@phulse.com>
	<F1A458B0-94F2-45B4-8F54-737F7729B77C@qub.ac.uk>
	<357453E28F4D4477978C26429497B90B@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <2717D044-3C81-4232-B28E-3FD47A01751B@phulse.com>


http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/borowitzreport/2013/04/north-korean-missile-test-delayed-by-windows-8.html

- Hans

From john at winhaven.net  Sat Apr 13 09:32:18 2013
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2013 09:32:18 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] North Korean Missile Test Delayed By Windows 8
In-Reply-To: <2717D044-3C81-4232-B28E-3FD47A01751B@phulse.com>
References: <004101ce34a1$eaa90ed0$bffb2c70$@tydda.plus.com>	<51640710.9090704@torchlake.com>	<E35E9B180430445BBA3445F0D1C2B833@creativesystemdesigns.com>	<51648915.24304.83D5F960@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>	<A6489030F21C4DCFA5C347F37B9EE122@creativesystemdesigns.com>	<CD3614EA346F41008AE0151A0EFE40C5@HAL9007>	<D1FBE6FD-8DCB-400F-98A2-7C545F869D9B@phulse.com>	<778259F169C64AD7A6187EB00EF0BD3A@HAL9007>	<0C0D6E5C-C13E-4513-89C3-8BFCD5D0D4D6@phulse.com>	<5348F2868687491DB36DDF0EAB125CAD@HAL9007>	<3AF22EAF8F534D29B32BBA572651CBF0@creativesystemdesigns.com>	<5166E11E.7000209@earthlink.net>	<54FC0AB1-B5E7-47D4-81AF-1F758209EC92@phulse.com>	<F1A458B0-94F2-45B4-8F54-737F7729B77C@qub.ac.uk>	<357453E28F4D4477978C26429497B90B@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<2717D044-3C81-4232-B28E-3FD47A01751B@phulse.com>
Message-ID: <010301ce3853$b3c33980$1b49ac80$@winhaven.net>

Lol!

-----Original Message-----
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Andersen
Sent: Friday, April 12, 2013 11:44 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] North Korean Missile Test Delayed By Windows 8


http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/borowitzreport/2013/04/north-korean-mi
ssile-test-delayed-by-windows-8.html

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sat Apr 13 10:45:33 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2013 08:45:33 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] North Korean Missile Test Delayed By Windows 8
In-Reply-To: <2717D044-3C81-4232-B28E-3FD47A01751B@phulse.com>
References: <004101ce34a1$eaa90ed0$bffb2c70$@tydda.plus.com><51640710.9090704@torchlake.com><E35E9B180430445BBA3445F0D1C2B833@creativesystemdesigns.com><51648915.24304.83D5F960@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg><A6489030F21C4DCFA5C347F37B9EE122@creativesystemdesigns.com><CD3614EA346F41008AE0151A0EFE40C5@HAL9007><D1FBE6FD-8DCB-400F-98A2-7C545F869D9B@phulse.com><778259F169C64AD7A6187EB00EF0BD3A@HAL9007><0C0D6E5C-C13E-4513-89C3-8BFCD5D0D4D6@phulse.com><5348F2868687491DB36DDF0EAB125CAD@HAL9007><3AF22EAF8F534D29B32BBA572651CBF0@creativesystemdesigns.com><5166E11E.7000209@earthlink.net><54FC0AB1-B5E7-47D4-81AF-1F758209EC92@phulse.com><F1A458B0-94F2-45B4-8F54-737F7729B77C@qub.ac.uk><357453E28F4D4477978C26429497B90B@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<2717D044-3C81-4232-B28E-3FD47A01751B@phulse.com>
Message-ID: <90B00612155342318A1AA6B721E6D61C@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Ha ha ha 

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hans-Christian
Andersen
Sent: Friday, April 12, 2013 9:44 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] North Korean Missile Test Delayed By Windows 8


http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/borowitzreport/2013/04/north-korean-mi
ssile-test-delayed-by-windows-8.html

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From john at winhaven.net  Sat Apr 13 11:15:57 2013
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2013 11:15:57 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] North Korean Missile Test Delayed By Windows 8
In-Reply-To: <2717D044-3C81-4232-B28E-3FD47A01751B@phulse.com>
References: <004101ce34a1$eaa90ed0$bffb2c70$@tydda.plus.com>	<51640710.9090704@torchlake.com>	<E35E9B180430445BBA3445F0D1C2B833@creativesystemdesigns.com>	<51648915.24304.83D5F960@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>	<A6489030F21C4DCFA5C347F37B9EE122@creativesystemdesigns.com>	<CD3614EA346F41008AE0151A0EFE40C5@HAL9007>	<D1FBE6FD-8DCB-400F-98A2-7C545F869D9B@phulse.com>	<778259F169C64AD7A6187EB00EF0BD3A@HAL9007>	<0C0D6E5C-C13E-4513-89C3-8BFCD5D0D4D6@phulse.com>	<5348F2868687491DB36DDF0EAB125CAD@HAL9007>	<3AF22EAF8F534D29B32BBA572651CBF0@creativesystemdesigns.com>	<5166E11E.7000209@earthlink.net>	<54FC0AB1-B5E7-47D4-81AF-1F758209EC92@phulse.com>	<F1A458B0-94F2-45B4-8F54-737F7729B77C@qub.ac.uk>	<357453E28F4D4477978C26429497B90B@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<2717D044-3C81-4232-B28E-3FD47A01751B@phulse.com>
Message-ID: <014101ce3862$2e57cea0$8b076be0$@winhaven.net>

Until they beg for enough money to buy a touch screen they're probably out
of luck.

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hans-Christian
Andersen
Sent: Friday, April 12, 2013 11:44 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] North Korean Missile Test Delayed By Windows 8


http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/borowitzreport/2013/04/north-korean-mi
ssile-test-delayed-by-windows-8.html

- Hans
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From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Sat Apr 13 12:24:21 2013
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2013 21:24:21 +0400
Subject: [dba-Tech]
 =?utf-8?q?North_Korean_Missile_Test_Delayed_By_Windows?=
 =?utf-8?q?_8?=
In-Reply-To: <014101ce3862$2e57cea0$8b076be0$@winhaven.net>
References: <004101ce34a1$eaa90ed0$bffb2c70$@tydda.plus.com>
	<2717D044-3C81-4232-B28E-3FD47A01751B@phulse.com>
	<014101ce3862$2e57cea0$8b076be0$@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <1365873861.641954655@f28.mail.ru>

 I assume you realize that news was a joke?

???????, 13 ?????? 2013, 11:15 -05:00 ?? "John Bartow" <john at winhaven.net>:
>Until they beg for enough money to buy a touch screen they're probably out
>of luck.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From:  dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hans-Christian
>Andersen
>Sent: Friday, April 12, 2013 11:44 PM
>To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>Subject: [dba-Tech] North Korean Missile Test Delayed By Windows 8
>
>
>http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/borowitzreport/2013/04/north-korean-mi
>ssile-test-delayed-by-windows-8.html
>
>- Hans

From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Sat Apr 13 13:24:14 2013
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2013 22:24:14 +0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?PostgreSQL_Visual_Design_Tools=3F?=
Message-ID: <1365877454.84809607@f146.mail.ru>

 Hi All --

Do you know about any useful and free PostrgeSQL Visual Design Tools?
I have just a small test project, which will very unlikely to scale into any real projects real soon.
I have to create a ER diagram (5-7 entities with a few relationships) and to generate SQL DDL from it, then prepare some sample data in (.csv) files and to use that data to load the database, then to design some CRUD queries.

I have checked this page:

http://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/Community_Guide_to_PostgreSQL_GUI_Tools#RISE_-_Model_Driven_Development_using_ERD_.2F_UML

"Valentina Studio" ( http://www.valentina-db.com/en/valentina-studio-overview ) ?looks promising but some links including the download ones seems to be broken on their web site.

I'd prefer to get and to use free Windows or Ubuntu 12.04 PostgreSQL visual design tools.

Thank you.

-- Shamil


From accessd at shaw.ca  Sat Apr 13 14:38:18 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2013 12:38:18 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] North Korean Missile Test Delayed By Windows 8
In-Reply-To: <1365873861.641954655@f28.mail.ru>
References: <004101ce34a1$eaa90ed0$bffb2c70$@tydda.plus.com><2717D044-3C81-4232-B28E-3FD47A01751B@phulse.com><014101ce3862$2e57cea0$8b076be0$@winhaven.net>
	<1365873861.641954655@f28.mail.ru>
Message-ID: <A94254F603FC42C6A73C58FE1FC14029@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Of course. :-)

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov
Shamil
Sent: Saturday, April 13, 2013 10:24 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] North Korean Missile Test Delayed By Windows 8

 I assume you realize that news was a joke?

???????, 13 ?????? 2013, 11:15 -05:00 ?? "John Bartow" <john at winhaven.net>:
>Until they beg for enough money to buy a touch screen they're probably out
>of luck.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From:  dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hans-Christian
>Andersen
>Sent: Friday, April 12, 2013 11:44 PM
>To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>Subject: [dba-Tech] North Korean Missile Test Delayed By Windows 8
>
>
>http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/borowitzreport/2013/04/north-korean-m
i
>ssile-test-delayed-by-windows-8.html
>
>- Hans
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sat Apr 13 14:52:03 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2013 12:52:03 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] PostgreSQL Visual Design Tools?
In-Reply-To: <1365877454.84809607@f146.mail.ru>
References: <1365877454.84809607@f146.mail.ru>
Message-ID: <548230E6923C4E658EE71736230C69BB@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Hi Shamil:

A very good question. I know of a fellow, in another province who has had
some experience and will email or Skype him.

In the meantime, I just read the following warning:
http://thechangelog.com/reminder-upgrade-your-postgres-today/

...and on a positive note:
http://datachomp.com/archives/top-10-reasons-i-like-postgres-over-sql-server
/

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov
Shamil
Sent: Saturday, April 13, 2013 11:24 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Softw
Subject: [dba-Tech] PostgreSQL Visual Design Tools?

 Hi All --

Do you know about any useful and free PostrgeSQL Visual Design Tools?
I have just a small test project, which will very unlikely to scale into any
real projects real soon.
I have to create a ER diagram (5-7 entities with a few relationships) and to
generate SQL DDL from it, then prepare some sample data in (.csv) files and
to use that data to load the database, then to design some CRUD queries.

I have checked this page:

http://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/Community_Guide_to_PostgreSQL_GUI_Tools#RISE
_-_Model_Driven_Development_using_ERD_.2F_UML

"Valentina Studio" (
http://www.valentina-db.com/en/valentina-studio-overview ) ?looks promising
but some links including the download ones seems to be broken on their web
site.

I'd prefer to get and to use free Windows or Ubuntu 12.04 PostgreSQL visual
design tools.

Thank you.

-- Shamil

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sat Apr 13 15:11:32 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2013 13:11:32 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] PostgreSQL Visual Design Tools?
In-Reply-To: <1365877454.84809607@f146.mail.ru>
References: <1365877454.84809607@f146.mail.ru>
Message-ID: <E7F6253500D04C1087B2C7950A946C67@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Hi Shamil:

Just checked the site entry you gave and you should be downloading the file
from:

http://www.valentina-db.com/en/all-downloads

and select the " Valentina Studio, 32 bit for Linux, DEB " or " Valentina
Studio, 64 bit for Linux, DEB " options and it should download without an
issue. If not, I can just forward the download to you.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov
Shamil
Sent: Saturday, April 13, 2013 11:24 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Softw
Subject: [dba-Tech] PostgreSQL Visual Design Tools?

 Hi All --

Do you know about any useful and free PostrgeSQL Visual Design Tools?
I have just a small test project, which will very unlikely to scale into any
real projects real soon.
I have to create a ER diagram (5-7 entities with a few relationships) and to
generate SQL DDL from it, then prepare some sample data in (.csv) files and
to use that data to load the database, then to design some CRUD queries.

I have checked this page:

http://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/Community_Guide_to_PostgreSQL_GUI_Tools#RISE
_-_Model_Driven_Development_using_ERD_.2F_UML

"Valentina Studio" (
http://www.valentina-db.com/en/valentina-studio-overview ) ?looks promising
but some links including the download ones seems to be broken on their web
site.

I'd prefer to get and to use free Windows or Ubuntu 12.04 PostgreSQL visual
design tools.

Thank you.

-- Shamil

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From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Sat Apr 13 15:28:48 2013
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2013 00:28:48 +0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?PostgreSQL_Visual_Design_Tools=3F?=
In-Reply-To: <548230E6923C4E658EE71736230C69BB@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <1365877454.84809607@f146.mail.ru>
	<548230E6923C4E658EE71736230C69BB@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <1365884928.42696748@f373.mail.ru>

 Hi Jim --

Thank you for the links. Here is IMO another one interesting:? http://datachomp.com/archives/so-long-and-thanks-for-all-the-deadlocks/

I do not have currently any real plans to move out of C# or MS SQL - doing some PostgreSQL as just a test project I'm helping with, but I must note I have spent some time today with Python reading/going through Python tutorials (including some SQLLite samples) - just typing all that stuff in Ubuntu 12.04 Hyper-V VM command line window and I have got really impressed with Python flexibility and "succinct" power: when just reading about Python one does not have that "feeling of Python programming power under one's fingertips" :)

-- Shamil

???????, 13 ?????? 2013, 12:52 -07:00 ?? "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca>:
>Hi Shamil:
>
>A very good question. I know of a fellow, in another province who has had
>some experience and will email or Skype him.
>
>In the meantime, I just read the following warning:
>http://thechangelog.com/reminder-upgrade-your-postgres-today/
>
>...and on a positive note:
>http://datachomp.com/archives/top-10-reasons-i-like-postgres-over-sql-server
>/
>
>Jim
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From:  dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov
>Shamil
>Sent: Saturday, April 13, 2013 11:24 AM
>To: Discussion of Hardware and Softw
>Subject: [dba-Tech] PostgreSQL Visual Design Tools?
>
>?Hi All --
>
>Do you know about any useful and free PostrgeSQL Visual Design Tools?
>I have just a small test project, which will very unlikely to scale into any
>real projects real soon.
>I have to create a ER diagram (5-7 entities with a few relationships) and to
>generate SQL DDL from it, then prepare some sample data in (.csv) files and
>to use that data to load the database, then to design some CRUD queries.
>
>I have checked this page:
>
>http://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/Community_Guide_to_PostgreSQL_GUI_Tools#RISE
>_-_Model_Driven_Development_using_ERD_.2F_UML
>
>"Valentina Studio" (
>http://www.valentina-db.com/en/valentina-studio-overview ) ?looks promising
>but some links including the download ones seems to be broken on their web
>site.
>
>I'd prefer to get and to use free Windows or Ubuntu 12.04 PostgreSQL visual
>design tools.
>
>Thank you.
>
>-- Shamil
>
>_______________________________________________
>dba-Tech mailing list
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From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Sat Apr 13 15:32:06 2013
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2013 00:32:06 +0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?PostgreSQL_Visual_Design_Tools=3F?=
In-Reply-To: <E7F6253500D04C1087B2C7950A946C67@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <1365877454.84809607@f146.mail.ru>
	<E7F6253500D04C1087B2C7950A946C67@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <1365885126.24166607@f373.mail.ru>

 Hi Jim --

Yes, I see. But I'm not sure they are free.

I may try to also use? http://www.risetobloome.com/Page_1_S.aspx?ITEM=1853 ?...

Thank you.

-- Shamil

???????, 13 ?????? 2013, 13:11 -07:00 ?? "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca>:
>Hi Shamil:
>
>Just checked the site entry you gave and you should be downloading the file
>from:
>
>http://www.valentina-db.com/en/all-downloads
>
>and select the " Valentina Studio, 32 bit for Linux, DEB " or " Valentina
>Studio, 64 bit for Linux, DEB " options and it should download without an
>issue. If not, I can just forward the download to you.
>
>Jim
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From:  dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov
>Shamil
>Sent: Saturday, April 13, 2013 11:24 AM
>To: Discussion of Hardware and Softw
>Subject: [dba-Tech] PostgreSQL Visual Design Tools?
>
>?Hi All --
>
>Do you know about any useful and free PostrgeSQL Visual Design Tools?
>I have just a small test project, which will very unlikely to scale into any
>real projects real soon.
>I have to create a ER diagram (5-7 entities with a few relationships) and to
>generate SQL DDL from it, then prepare some sample data in (.csv) files and
>to use that data to load the database, then to design some CRUD queries.
>
>I have checked this page:
>
>http://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/Community_Guide_to_PostgreSQL_GUI_Tools#RISE
>_-_Model_Driven_Development_using_ERD_.2F_UML
>
>"Valentina Studio" (
>http://www.valentina-db.com/en/valentina-studio-overview ) ?looks promising
>but some links including the download ones seems to be broken on their web
>site.
>
>I'd prefer to get and to use free Windows or Ubuntu 12.04 PostgreSQL visual
>design tools.
>
>Thank you.
>
>-- Shamil
>
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From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Sun Apr 14 04:34:30 2013
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2013 13:34:30 +0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?Differences_between_SQLLite_and_PostgreSQL_S?=
 =?utf-8?q?QL_syntax=2C_and_using_ADOdb_for_Python_for_a_sample_project=2E?=
 =?utf-8?b?Li4=?=
Message-ID: <1365932070.2371873@f283.mail.ru>

 Hi All --

I'd like to learn some Python + SQL programming for a small sample PostgreSQL project I have mentioned here in another thread. As far as I see it's almost "no-brainer" effort to start using SQLLite with Python with in memory - sqllite3.connect(':memory:') - database. So my question is do you know how big are differences between SQLLite3 and PostgreSQL dialects including SQL DDL? Also it looks like?using ADOdb for Python for this sample project promise to be helpful - do you know any good links on ADODb for Python with SQLLite and PostgreSQL tutorials?

Thank you.

-- Shamil


From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Sun Apr 14 06:34:45 2013
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2013 15:34:45 +0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?SplashTop?=
Message-ID: <1365939285.936819027@f300.mail.ru>

 Hi All --

Not sure if the subject software wasn't mentioned here already - just wanted to inform you that I have just got a real life demonstration how Splashtop ( http://www.splashtop.com/splashtop2 )?running on Android tablet can be connected to a Win8 desktop (having special Splashtop "streamer" software running) and can be used to provide full remote control of the latter. Connection was done in an Intranet network - it's free then. For connections from outside some money have to be paid for that service - something like ~2USD a month?

Thank you.

-- Shamil


From accessd at shaw.ca  Sun Apr 14 08:50:51 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2013 06:50:51 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] SplashTop
In-Reply-To: <1365939285.936819027@f300.mail.ru>
References: <1365939285.936819027@f300.mail.ru>
Message-ID: <C5751E00045B46538C783A84D94D19A5@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Hi Shamil:

This software looks very interesting especially that it can stream
audio/video from one device to the other and works fine on multiple devices
with variety OSs. This is one thing that the various remote desktop
take-over products can not or have difficulty doing (5 fps or less).

Does this software work fine across the internet (bandwidth requirements?)
or only performs well within a network only on GB LAN? 

Just wrapping up a product and am looking forward to doing some serious
playing and tutorial studying. (...and oh yes, running a performance test on
various browsers. ;-))

Jim  

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov
Shamil
Sent: Sunday, April 14, 2013 4:35 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Softw
Subject: [dba-Tech] SplashTop

 Hi All --

Not sure if the subject software wasn't mentioned here already - just wanted
to inform you that I have just got a real life demonstration how Splashtop (
http://www.splashtop.com/splashtop2 )?running on Android tablet can be
connected to a Win8 desktop (having special Splashtop "streamer" software
running) and can be used to provide full remote control of the latter.
Connection was done in an Intranet network - it's free then. For connections
from outside some money have to be paid for that service - something like
~2USD a month?

Thank you.

-- Shamil

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From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Sun Apr 14 09:10:48 2013
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2013 18:10:48 +0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?SplashTop?=
In-Reply-To: <C5751E00045B46538C783A84D94D19A5@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <1365939285.936819027@f300.mail.ru>
	<C5751E00045B46538C783A84D94D19A5@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <1365948647.84844770@f224.mail.ru>

 Hi Jim --

I have been demonstrated how this software works within a legacy LAN with up to 100MB max?throughput.

-- Shamil


???????????, 14 ?????? 2013, 6:50 -07:00 ?? "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca>:
>Hi Shamil:
>
>This software looks very interesting especially that it can stream
>audio/video from one device to the other and works fine on multiple devices
>with variety OSs. This is one thing that the various remote desktop
>take-over products can not or have difficulty doing (5 fps or less).
>
>Does this software work fine across the internet (bandwidth requirements?)
>or only performs well within a network only on GB LAN? 
>
>Just wrapping up a product and am looking forward to doing some serious
>playing and tutorial studying. (...and oh yes, running a performance test on
>various browsers. ;-))
>
>Jim 
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From:  dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov
>Shamil
>Sent: Sunday, April 14, 2013 4:35 AM
>To: Discussion of Hardware and Softw
>Subject: [dba-Tech] SplashTop
>
>?Hi All --
>
>Not sure if the subject software wasn't mentioned here already - just wanted
>to inform you that I have just got a real life demonstration how Splashtop (
>http://www.splashtop.com/splashtop2 )?running on Android tablet can be
>connected to a Win8 desktop (having special Splashtop "streamer" software
>running) and can be used to provide full remote control of the latter.
>Connection was done in an Intranet network - it's free then. For connections
>from outside some money have to be paid for that service - something like
>~2USD a month?
>
>Thank you.
>
>-- Shamil
>
>_______________________________________________
>dba-Tech mailing list
>dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>Website:  http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sun Apr 14 09:16:32 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2013 07:16:32 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Differences between SQLLite and PostgreSQL SQL
	syntax, and using ADOdb for Python for a sample project...
In-Reply-To: <1365932070.2371873@f283.mail.ru>
References: <1365932070.2371873@f283.mail.ru>
Message-ID: <FC11A14490A449D2827EF857DF802907@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Hi Shamil:

At this moment this is beyond me...still a few tutorials away from novice to
guru. ;-)  The only individual here, on this list, that I am aware of, that
has had first hand experience, would be Hans but he is terribly busy.

I will be Skype-ing to a friend today and he has first hand experience with
using SQLLite (PostgreSQL as well I believe) as one of his client's projects
was to have him burn a fully operating SQL version on a ROM/RAM chip for
some kind of oil line controller. 

I could have him give you a call on Skype or Jitsi? 

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov
Shamil
Sent: Sunday, April 14, 2013 2:35 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Softw
Subject: [dba-Tech] Differences between SQLLite and PostgreSQL SQL syntax,
and using ADOdb for Python for a sample project...

 Hi All --

I'd like to learn some Python + SQL programming for a small sample
PostgreSQL project I have mentioned here in another thread. As far as I see
it's almost "no-brainer" effort to start using SQLLite with Python with in
memory - sqllite3.connect(':memory:') - database. So my question is do you
know how big are differences between SQLLite3 and PostgreSQL dialects
including SQL DDL? Also it looks like?using ADOdb for Python for this sample
project promise to be helpful - do you know any good links on ADODb for
Python with SQLLite and PostgreSQL tutorials?

Thank you.

-- Shamil

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sun Apr 14 09:20:20 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2013 07:20:20 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] SplashTop
In-Reply-To: <1365948647.84844770@f224.mail.ru>
References: <1365939285.936819027@f300.mail.ru><C5751E00045B46538C783A84D94D19A5@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<1365948647.84844770@f224.mail.ru>
Message-ID: <01CF0898688A48EF891E024F8F425621@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Hi Shamil:

I will download the server BE on to a Linux box and see how it runs.

Thanks for the info.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov
Shamil
Sent: Sunday, April 14, 2013 7:11 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] SplashTop

 Hi Jim --

I have been demonstrated how this software works within a legacy LAN with up
to 100MB max?throughput.

-- Shamil


???????????, 14 ?????? 2013, 6:50 -07:00 ?? "Jim Lawrence"
<accessd at shaw.ca>:
>Hi Shamil:
>
>This software looks very interesting especially that it can stream
>audio/video from one device to the other and works fine on multiple devices
>with variety OSs. This is one thing that the various remote desktop
>take-over products can not or have difficulty doing (5 fps or less).
>
>Does this software work fine across the internet (bandwidth requirements?)
>or only performs well within a network only on GB LAN? 
>
>Just wrapping up a product and am looking forward to doing some serious
>playing and tutorial studying. (...and oh yes, running a performance test
on
>various browsers. ;-))
>
>Jim 
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From:  dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov
>Shamil
>Sent: Sunday, April 14, 2013 4:35 AM
>To: Discussion of Hardware and Softw
>Subject: [dba-Tech] SplashTop
>
>?Hi All --
>
>Not sure if the subject software wasn't mentioned here already - just
wanted
>to inform you that I have just got a real life demonstration how Splashtop
(
>http://www.splashtop.com/splashtop2 )?running on Android tablet can be
>connected to a Win8 desktop (having special Splashtop "streamer" software
>running) and can be used to provide full remote control of the latter.
>Connection was done in an Intranet network - it's free then. For
connections
>from outside some money have to be paid for that service - something like
>~2USD a month?
>
>Thank you.
>
>-- Shamil
>
>_______________________________________________
>dba-Tech mailing list
>dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>Website:  http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>
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From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Sun Apr 14 10:07:59 2013
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2013 19:07:59 +0400
Subject: [dba-Tech]
 =?utf-8?q?Differences_between_SQLLite_and_PostgreSQL_S?=
 =?utf-8?q?QL_syntax=2C_and_using_ADOdb_for_Python_for_a_sample_project=2E?=
 =?utf-8?b?Li4=?=
In-Reply-To: <FC11A14490A449D2827EF857DF802907@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <1365932070.2371873@f283.mail.ru>
	<FC11A14490A449D2827EF857DF802907@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <1365952079.159639613@f349.mail.ru>

 Hi Jim --

This isn't very urgent, so when you'll have some free time, yes, please ask your friend how big are differences between SQLLite3 and PostgreSQL as well as are there any free tools to generate PostgreSQL SQL scripts to create database tables and relationships etc. from an Entity-Relationship model. I have used here RISEEditor ( http://www.risetobloome.com/Page_1_S.aspx?item=1853 ) - it's free and rather good to draw E-R model but it generates some "garbage" PL/SQL, which have to be heavily edited to get what I wanted to get as that generated PL/SQL does uses some naming conventions, which are far from what I'm accustomed to use here etc.

All-in-all this E-R modeling tool isn't needed that much here - so if there will be no one available then to create database I can just use pgAdmin III or phpPgAdmin, which I have got already successfully installed on my test Win8 VM together with PostgreSQL 9.2.

Thank you.

-- Shamil?


???????????, 14 ?????? 2013, 7:16 -07:00 ?? "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca>:
>Hi Shamil:
>
>At this moment this is beyond me...still a few tutorials away from novice to
>guru. ;-)  The only individual here, on this list, that I am aware of, that
>has had first hand experience, would be Hans but he is terribly busy.
>
>I will be Skype-ing to a friend today and he has first hand experience with
>using SQLLite (PostgreSQL as well I believe) as one of his client's projects
>was to have him burn a fully operating SQL version on a ROM/RAM chip for
>some kind of oil line controller. 
>
>I could have him give you a call on Skype or Jitsi? 
>
>Jim
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From:  dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov
>Shamil
>Sent: Sunday, April 14, 2013 2:35 AM
>To: Discussion of Hardware and Softw
>Subject: [dba-Tech] Differences between SQLLite and PostgreSQL SQL syntax,
>and using ADOdb for Python for a sample project...
>
>?Hi All --
>
>I'd like to learn some Python + SQL programming for a small sample
>PostgreSQL project I have mentioned here in another thread. As far as I see
>it's almost "no-brainer" effort to start using SQLLite with Python with in
>memory - sqllite3.connect(':memory:') - database. So my question is do you
>know how big are differences between SQLLite3 and PostgreSQL dialects
>including SQL DDL? Also it looks like?using ADOdb for Python for this sample
>project promise to be helpful - do you know any good links on ADODb for
>Python with SQLLite and PostgreSQL tutorials?
>
>Thank you.
>
>-- Shamil

From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Fri Apr 19 08:53:03 2013
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2013 06:53:03 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Do you use Dropbox?
Message-ID: <7FF1CB9F1C91429EAA87D0AAF01B32D3@HAL9007>

http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/security/dropsmack-using-dropbox-to-steal-f
iles-and-deliver-malware/9332?tag=nl.e101
<http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/security/dropsmack-using-dropbox-to-steal-
files-and-deliver-malware/9332?tag=nl.e101&s_cid=e101&ttag=e101>
&s_cid=e101&ttag=e101
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> 
www.e-z-mrp.com <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/> 
Skype: rocky.smolin
 

From john at winhaven.net  Fri Apr 19 10:28:44 2013
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2013 10:28:44 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Do you use Dropbox?
In-Reply-To: <7FF1CB9F1C91429EAA87D0AAF01B32D3@HAL9007>
References: <7FF1CB9F1C91429EAA87D0AAF01B32D3@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <012101ce3d12$94613fb0$bd23bf10$@winhaven.net>

No actually, I've been telling people not to because it's a security
nightmare waiting to happen. They seem to release updates more often than
Flash or Java but the product seems to be ripe for exploitation. But thanks
for the link :-)

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 8:53 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; List
Subject: [dba-Tech] Do you use Dropbox?

http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/security/dropsmack-using-dropbox-to-steal-f
iles-and-deliver-malware/9332?tag=nl.e101
<http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/security/dropsmack-using-dropbox-to-steal-
files-and-deliver-malware/9332?tag=nl.e101&s_cid=e101&ttag=e101>
&s_cid=e101&ttag=e101
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com
<http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
Skype: rocky.smolin
 
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From garykjos at gmail.com  Fri Apr 19 10:43:37 2013
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2013 10:43:37 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Do you use Dropbox?
In-Reply-To: <012101ce3d12$94613fb0$bd23bf10$@winhaven.net>
References: <7FF1CB9F1C91429EAA87D0AAF01B32D3@HAL9007>
	<012101ce3d12$94613fb0$bd23bf10$@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <CAJ2R_pJ1mzqyrXz7tAqpuL2_6HyGq-ScHneO=q4OkfwqvN+U0w@mail.gmail.com>

I can't stop!  It saves me lots of work copying crap from thumb drives or
emailing back and forth from home and work etc. I don't share with others
though.


On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 10:28 AM, John Bartow <john at winhaven.net> wrote:

> No actually, I've been telling people not to because it's a security
> nightmare waiting to happen. They seem to release updates more often than
> Flash or Java but the product seems to be ripe for exploitation. But thanks
> for the link :-)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
> Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 8:53 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; List
> Subject: [dba-Tech] Do you use Dropbox?
>
>
> http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/security/dropsmack-using-dropbox-to-steal-f
> iles-and-deliver-malware/9332?tag=nl.e101
> <
> http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/security/dropsmack-using-dropbox-to-steal-
> files-and-deliver-malware/9332?tag=nl.e101&s_cid=e101&ttag=e101>
> &s_cid=e101&ttag=e101
>
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
> 858-259-4334
> www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com
> <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
> Skype: rocky.smolin
>
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-- 
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From john at winhaven.net  Fri Apr 19 11:05:06 2013
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2013 11:05:06 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Do you use Dropbox?
In-Reply-To: <CAJ2R_pJ1mzqyrXz7tAqpuL2_6HyGq-ScHneO=q4OkfwqvN+U0w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7FF1CB9F1C91429EAA87D0AAF01B32D3@HAL9007>	<012101ce3d12$94613fb0$bd23bf10$@winhaven.net>
	<CAJ2R_pJ1mzqyrXz7tAqpuL2_6HyGq-ScHneO=q4OkfwqvN+U0w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <015001ce3d17$a8ecdac0$fac69040$@winhaven.net>

It is slick. There are alternatives. As long as it's not sensitive
information your fine. Plus you should scan the folder with your security
software all the time. Problem is that it's always synchronizing because
it's always running and I'm not sure if all security software scans that
synchronizing stream. So I'd at least set it to scan the Dropbox folder
every day.

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos
Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 10:44 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Do you use Dropbox?

I can't stop!  It saves me lots of work copying crap from thumb drives or
emailing back and forth from home and work etc. I don't share with others
though.


On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 10:28 AM, John Bartow <john at winhaven.net> wrote:

> No actually, I've been telling people not to because it's a security 
> nightmare waiting to happen. They seem to release updates more often 
> than Flash or Java but the product seems to be ripe for exploitation. 
> But thanks for the link :-)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky 
> Smolin
> Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 8:53 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; List
> Subject: [dba-Tech] Do you use Dropbox?
>
>
> http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/security/dropsmack-using-dropbox-to-s
> teal-f
> iles-and-deliver-malware/9332?tag=nl.e101
> <
> http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/security/dropsmack-using-dropbox-to-s
> teal- files-and-deliver-malware/9332?tag=nl.e101&s_cid=e101&ttag=e101>
> &s_cid=e101&ttag=e101
>
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
> 858-259-4334
> www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com 
> <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
> Skype: rocky.smolin
>
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From garykjos at gmail.com  Fri Apr 19 11:13:02 2013
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2013 11:13:02 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Do you use Dropbox?
In-Reply-To: <015001ce3d17$a8ecdac0$fac69040$@winhaven.net>
References: <7FF1CB9F1C91429EAA87D0AAF01B32D3@HAL9007>
	<012101ce3d12$94613fb0$bd23bf10$@winhaven.net>
	<CAJ2R_pJ1mzqyrXz7tAqpuL2_6HyGq-ScHneO=q4OkfwqvN+U0w@mail.gmail.com>
	<015001ce3d17$a8ecdac0$fac69040$@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <CAJ2R_p+qDpvH_3rVWiSwZKfz=2tkExToBzr7VMtWfRbpoifK2w@mail.gmail.com>

I really wouldn't need the autosyncronizing part. I suppose I could kill
that service or whatever it is that does it.


On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 11:05 AM, John Bartow <john at winhaven.net> wrote:

> It is slick. There are alternatives. As long as it's not sensitive
> information your fine. Plus you should scan the folder with your security
> software all the time. Problem is that it's always synchronizing because
> it's always running and I'm not sure if all security software scans that
> synchronizing stream. So I'd at least set it to scan the Dropbox folder
> every day.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos
> Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 10:44 AM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Do you use Dropbox?
>
> I can't stop!  It saves me lots of work copying crap from thumb drives or
> emailing back and forth from home and work etc. I don't share with others
> though.
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 10:28 AM, John Bartow <john at winhaven.net> wrote:
>
> > No actually, I've been telling people not to because it's a security
> > nightmare waiting to happen. They seem to release updates more often
> > than Flash or Java but the product seems to be ripe for exploitation.
> > But thanks for the link :-)
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky
> > Smolin
> > Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 8:53 AM
> > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; List
> > Subject: [dba-Tech] Do you use Dropbox?
> >
> >
> > http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/security/dropsmack-using-dropbox-to-s
> > teal-f
> > iles-and-deliver-malware/9332?tag=nl.e101
> > <
> > http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/security/dropsmack-using-dropbox-to-s
> > teal- files-and-deliver-malware/9332?tag=nl.e101&s_cid=e101&ttag=e101>
> > &s_cid=e101&ttag=e101
> >
> > Rocky Smolin
> > Beach Access Software
> > 858-259-4334
> > www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com
> > <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
> > Skype: rocky.smolin
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > dba-Tech mailing list
> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
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> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
>
>
>
> --
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> garykjos at gmail.com
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From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Fri Apr 19 11:45:59 2013
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2013 12:45:59 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Do you use Dropbox?
In-Reply-To: <CAJ2R_pJ1mzqyrXz7tAqpuL2_6HyGq-ScHneO=q4OkfwqvN+U0w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7FF1CB9F1C91429EAA87D0AAF01B32D3@HAL9007>
	<012101ce3d12$94613fb0$bd23bf10$@winhaven.net>
	<CAJ2R_pJ1mzqyrXz7tAqpuL2_6HyGq-ScHneO=q4OkfwqvN+U0w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <517174C7.30600@torchlake.com>

We used it here, as a group, when we had a dozen people working on 
different parts of a grant application document.  One guy did the work 
on system design, another did research on securing matching funds and 
in-kind donations, I did the part on environmental issues, etc.  As we 
got pieces finished, we dropped them in the Dropbox to be shared with 
the whole team.  The final day, we were gathered around a table, six 
laptops fired up, asking questions of one another, then passing along 
our edited documents.  It was just great!
T

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
231-322-2787

On 4/19/2013 11:43 AM, Gary Kjos wrote:
> I can't stop!  It saves me lots of work copying crap from thumb drives or
> emailing back and forth from home and work etc. I don't share with others
> though.
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 10:28 AM, John Bartow <john at winhaven.net> wrote:
>
>> No actually, I've been telling people not to because it's a security
>> nightmare waiting to happen. They seem to release updates more often than
>> Flash or Java but the product seems to be ripe for exploitation. But thanks
>> for the link :-)
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
>> Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 8:53 AM
>> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; List
>> Subject: [dba-Tech] Do you use Dropbox?
>>
>>
>> http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/security/dropsmack-using-dropbox-to-steal-f
>> iles-and-deliver-malware/9332?tag=nl.e101
>> <
>> http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/security/dropsmack-using-dropbox-to-steal-
>> files-and-deliver-malware/9332?tag=nl.e101&s_cid=e101&ttag=e101>
>> &s_cid=e101&ttag=e101
>>
>> Rocky Smolin
>> Beach Access Software
>> 858-259-4334
>> www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com
>> <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
>> Skype: rocky.smolin
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> dba-Tech mailing list
>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> dba-Tech mailing list
>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>
>


From john at winhaven.net  Fri Apr 19 12:02:25 2013
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2013 12:02:25 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Do you use Dropbox?
In-Reply-To: <CAJ2R_p+qDpvH_3rVWiSwZKfz=2tkExToBzr7VMtWfRbpoifK2w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7FF1CB9F1C91429EAA87D0AAF01B32D3@HAL9007>	<012101ce3d12$94613fb0$bd23bf10$@winhaven.net>	<CAJ2R_pJ1mzqyrXz7tAqpuL2_6HyGq-ScHneO=q4OkfwqvN+U0w@mail.gmail.com>	<015001ce3d17$a8ecdac0$fac69040$@winhaven.net>
	<CAJ2R_p+qDpvH_3rVWiSwZKfz=2tkExToBzr7VMtWfRbpoifK2w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <018401ce3d1f$aab5e150$0021a3f0$@winhaven.net>

That is in the settings.

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos
Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 11:13 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Do you use Dropbox?

I really wouldn't need the autosyncronizing part. I suppose I could kill
that service or whatever it is that does it.


On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 11:05 AM, John Bartow <john at winhaven.net> wrote:

> It is slick. There are alternatives. As long as it's not sensitive 
> information your fine. Plus you should scan the folder with your 
> security software all the time. Problem is that it's always 
> synchronizing because it's always running and I'm not sure if all 
> security software scans that synchronizing stream. So I'd at least set 
> it to scan the Dropbox folder every day.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos
> Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 10:44 AM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Do you use Dropbox?
>
> I can't stop!  It saves me lots of work copying crap from thumb drives 
> or emailing back and forth from home and work etc. I don't share with 
> others though.
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 10:28 AM, John Bartow <john at winhaven.net> wrote:
>
> > No actually, I've been telling people not to because it's a security 
> > nightmare waiting to happen. They seem to release updates more often 
> > than Flash or Java but the product seems to be ripe for exploitation.
> > But thanks for the link :-)
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky 
> > Smolin
> > Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 8:53 AM
> > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; List
> > Subject: [dba-Tech] Do you use Dropbox?
> >
> >
> > http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/security/dropsmack-using-dropbox-to
> > -s
> > teal-f
> > iles-and-deliver-malware/9332?tag=nl.e101
> > <
> > http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/security/dropsmack-using-dropbox-to
> > -s
> > teal- 
> > files-and-deliver-malware/9332?tag=nl.e101&s_cid=e101&ttag=e101>
> > &s_cid=e101&ttag=e101
> >
> > Rocky Smolin
> > Beach Access Software
> > 858-259-4334
> > www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com 
> > <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
> > Skype: rocky.smolin
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > dba-Tech mailing list
> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > dba-Tech mailing list
> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Gary Kjos
> garykjos at gmail.com
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
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> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
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>



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From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Apr 19 12:40:17 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2013 10:40:17 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] [AccessD] Do you use Dropbox?
In-Reply-To: <7FF1CB9F1C91429EAA87D0AAF01B32D3@HAL9007>
References: <7FF1CB9F1C91429EAA87D0AAF01B32D3@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <A537D8594F6247AFB7D72040346814B9@creativesystemdesigns.com>

First point, is what started this whole security issue was that some senior
member of the Dropbox company had his laptop hacked and his computer had a
list and access to administration level database passwords; passwords that
would have never been able to be cracked. I will bet that those passwords
have been changed and the employee will have been reprimanded.

The second point and the articles conclusion, that should be challenged, is
the following statement in the article " ...Dropbox is by far the most
secure of all file synchronization applications... " is so wrong by a long
way.

The article was very interesting but the truth is that your Dropbox is just
as secure, or not as the case may be, as it was before....but I did find the
piece very interesting.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 6:53 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; List
Subject: [AccessD] Do you use Dropbox?

http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/security/dropsmack-using-dropbox-to-steal-f
iles-and-deliver-malware/9332?tag=nl.e101
<http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/security/dropsmack-using-dropbox-to-steal-
files-and-deliver-malware/9332?tag=nl.e101&s_cid=e101&ttag=e101>
&s_cid=e101&ttag=e101
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> 
www.e-z-mrp.com <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/> 
Skype: rocky.smolin
 
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Tue Apr 23 07:11:36 2013
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2013 08:11:36 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Change router password
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1hX91Ot_8aPrU4ABt9hbyw2gB2qqHnG2UC9EEWyCn_C0g@mail.gmail.com>

I have a Tenda wireless router. How do I change its password?

TIA,
Arthur

From garykjos at gmail.com  Tue Apr 23 08:34:23 2013
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2013 08:34:23 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Change router password
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1hX91Ot_8aPrU4ABt9hbyw2gB2qqHnG2UC9EEWyCn_C0g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1hX91Ot_8aPrU4ABt9hbyw2gB2qqHnG2UC9EEWyCn_C0g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJ2R_p+hMpLCxfvgCBUdV7BAK4iaV-FtS=-DKwwQm=oDMjrLBw@mail.gmail.com>

http://www.tenda.cn/tendacn/Support/show.aspx?articleid=2177


On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 7:11 AM, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com>wrote:

> I have a Tenda wireless router. How do I change its password?
>
> TIA,
> Arthur
> _______________________________________________
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>



-- 
Gary Kjos
garykjos at gmail.com

From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Tue Apr 23 09:33:49 2013
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2013 10:33:49 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Change router password
In-Reply-To: <CAJ2R_p+hMpLCxfvgCBUdV7BAK4iaV-FtS=-DKwwQm=oDMjrLBw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1hX91Ot_8aPrU4ABt9hbyw2gB2qqHnG2UC9EEWyCn_C0g@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJ2R_p+hMpLCxfvgCBUdV7BAK4iaV-FtS=-DKwwQm=oDMjrLBw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1ifWqu0bj620MnfLaFHm+UqPSmBETafQn5rof_NgxcAgA@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks! That was easy. As it turns out, I already changed the info from the
default, but in my senior years I forgot.  But better safe than sorry.

A.


On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 9:34 AM, Gary Kjos <garykjos at gmail.com> wrote:

> http://www.tenda.cn/tendacn/Support/show.aspx?articleid=2177
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 7:11 AM, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com
> >wrote:
>
> > I have a Tenda wireless router. How do I change its password?
> >
> > TIA,
> > Arthur
> > _______________________________________________
> > dba-Tech mailing list
> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Gary Kjos
> garykjos at gmail.com
> _______________________________________________
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>



-- 
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Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
  -- Niels Bohr

From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Apr 24 10:18:42 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2013 08:18:42 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] The darkest secret in Computer development world
In-Reply-To: <CAJ2R_p+hMpLCxfvgCBUdV7BAK4iaV-FtS=-DKwwQm=oDMjrLBw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1hX91Ot_8aPrU4ABt9hbyw2gB2qqHnG2UC9EEWyCn_C0g@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJ2R_p+hMpLCxfvgCBUdV7BAK4iaV-FtS=-DKwwQm=oDMjrLBw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <72658BC0F7E24203A97630A131233DD7@server2003>

Hi all:

I am sure this article goes over a subject which is thread bare by now but
even being smarter, wiser and better looking is no guarantee in this
industry.

http://www.linkedin.com/today/post/article/20130422020049-8451-the-tech-indu
stry-s-darkest-secret-it-s-all-about-age

The conclusions are quite clear, get into management or better yet start
your own company.

Jim


From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Mon Apr 29 06:06:51 2013
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2013 15:06:51 +0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?Rumors=3A_Will_the_=5BStart=5D_button_be_bro?=
 =?utf-8?q?ught_back_in_MS_Windows_8=2E1=3F_=22=5F?=
Message-ID: <1367233611.719415797@f244.mail.ru>


FYI:? http://techcrunch.com/2013/04/22/start-me-up/

-- 
???????????? ?????? <= Signature in Cyrillics do you see the chars?

From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Mon Apr 29 06:12:53 2013
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2013 15:12:53 +0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?FYI=3A_Android_picks_and_Windows_Phone_conti?=
 =?utf-8?q?nues_modest_but_steady_gains_on_mobile_devices_market=2E=2E=2E?=
Message-ID: <1367233973.546671111@f244.mail.ru>


FYI:?

http://www.kantarworldpanel.com/global/News/news-articles/Windows-sees-steady-growth-in-Q1-2013

http://techcrunch.com/2013/04/28/android-picks-up-the-pace-in-smartphone-sales-over-ios-globally-while-windows-phone-continues-with-modest-gains-says-kantar/


-- 
???????????? ??????

From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Mon Apr 29 06:15:13 2013
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2013 04:15:13 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Rumors: Will the [Start] button be brought back in
	MS Windows 8.1? "_
In-Reply-To: <1367233611.719415797@f244.mail.ru>
References: <1367233611.719415797@f244.mail.ru>
Message-ID: <219B8D76-AF63-46C0-BDBC-068362C35A02@phulse.com>

Hilarious that this should even be newsworthy.

- Hans



On 2013-04-29, at 4:06 AM, Salakhetdinov Shamil <mcp2004 at mail.ru> wrote:

> 
> FYI:  http://techcrunch.com/2013/04/22/start-me-up/
> 
> -- 
> ???????????? ?????? <= Signature in Cyrillics do you see the chars?
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From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Mon Apr 29 08:41:08 2013
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2013 17:41:08 +0400
Subject: [dba-Tech]
 =?utf-8?q?Rumors=3A_Will_the_=5BStart=5D_button_be_bro?=
 =?utf-8?q?ught_back_in_MS_Windows_8=2E1=3F_=22=5F?=
In-Reply-To: <219B8D76-AF63-46C0-BDBC-068362C35A02@phulse.com>
References: <1367233611.719415797@f244.mail.ru>
	<219B8D76-AF63-46C0-BDBC-068362C35A02@phulse.com>
Message-ID: <1367242868.947512727@f239.mail.ru>

 HI Hans --

I know you and your customers ?don't need MS Windows at all so every news about MS Windows may sound hilarious there? :)
BTW, that subject news could be a humor kind of ?news posting as they start with a sentence " Our long, national nightmare is over..." :)
If seriously some folks here and there argued that absence of the [Start] menu would be one of the main reasons for them to not upgrade to Win8 so if Win8.1 will bring the [Start] button back that folks will have one reason less to avoid upgrading to Win8 (well, they will find others no doubt - and I'm not advocating for Win8 upgrading here.)
I'd note I have used Win8 for almost half an year now (mainly in desktop mode) and I haven't found any need in [Start] button.
Moreover I have just tried to setup Pokki

http://www.pokki.com

and I suppose I will remove it right now.

Sounds hilarious? Let it be...

Thank you.

-- Shamil

???????????, 29 ?????? 2013, 4:15 -07:00 ?? Hans-Christian Andersen <hans.andersen at phulse.com>:
>Hilarious that this should even be newsworthy.
>
>- Hans
>
>
>
>On 2013-04-29, at 4:06 AM, Salakhetdinov Shamil < mcp2004 at mail.ru > wrote:
>
>> 
>> FYI:  http://techcrunch.com/2013/04/22/start-me-up/
>> 
>> -- 
>> ???????????? ?????? <= Signature in Cyrillics do you see the chars?
>> _______________________________________________

From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Apr 29 09:18:11 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2013 07:18:11 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Rumors: Will the [Start] button be brought back in
	MS Windows 8.1? "_
In-Reply-To: <1367233611.719415797@f244.mail.ru>
References: <1367233611.719415797@f244.mail.ru>
Message-ID: <7288167086EC450D83388D4720E945EA@server2003>

Hi Shamil:

Well that is a Start. ;-)

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov
Shamil
Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 4:07 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Softw
Subject: [dba-Tech] Rumors: Will the [Start] button be brought back in MS
Windows 8.1? "_


FYI:? http://techcrunch.com/2013/04/22/start-me-up/

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Apr 29 09:25:40 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2013 07:25:40 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] FYI: Android picks and Windows Phone continues
	modest but steady gains on mobile devices market...
In-Reply-To: <1367233973.546671111@f244.mail.ru>
References: <1367233973.546671111@f244.mail.ru>
Message-ID: <05C655F5DEFA43AAAF43E88020AB230B@server2003>

Hi Shamil:

It is good to see the Windows phone is making steady growth, at least in the
US. 

The market needs more competition. The growth, world wide, in Android at
first amused me but now it concerns me, as market dominance is never a good
thing.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov
Shamil
Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 4:13 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Softw
Subject: [dba-Tech] FYI: Android picks and Windows Phone continues modest
but steady gains on mobile devices market...


FYI:?

http://www.kantarworldpanel.com/global/News/news-articles/Windows-sees-stead
y-growth-in-Q1-2013

http://techcrunch.com/2013/04/28/android-picks-up-the-pace-in-smartphone-sal
es-over-ios-globally-while-windows-phone-continues-with-modest-gains-says-ka
ntar/


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From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Mon Apr 29 09:38:43 2013
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2013 18:38:43 +0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?A_smart_TV_set_with_WiFi=2C_DLNA_as_well_as_?=
 =?utf-8?q?with_full_Internet_browser_support_and_ability_to_view_text=2C_?=
 =?utf-8?b?UERGIGZyb20gRExOQSg/KSBzZXJ2ZXIuLi4=?=
Message-ID: <1367246323.878913345@f224.mail.ru>

 Hi All --

I'm not sure is such a subject Smart TV set exist or not?
Do you know about any?

Basically I'd like to have a TV Set (running some embedded Linux or Win7/8):

- with built-in or "dongle-driven" WiFi connection;
- stream video, audio, view pics from a LAN DLNA server connected via WiFi (like that? http://mywindows8.org/connect-samsung-dlna-enabled-smart-tv/ ?)
- with a full internet browser to browse at any available LAN locations as well as at Internet sites via WiFi connection;
- with ability to view text and PDF files - if that would be available only via browser - that would be OK.

I'm no looking for a monoblock PC or a TV set connected to a PC via HDMI but a TV set with features as I have tried to outline above.

Could you please advise any?

Thank you.

-- 
???????????? ??????

From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Apr 29 10:28:18 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2013 08:28:18 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Rumors: Will the [Start] button be brought back inMS
	Windows 8.1? "_
In-Reply-To: <219B8D76-AF63-46C0-BDBC-068362C35A02@phulse.com>
References: <1367233611.719415797@f244.mail.ru>
	<219B8D76-AF63-46C0-BDBC-068362C35A02@phulse.com>
Message-ID: <960E0186BF844BC19547E564D530151D@server2003>

Hi Hans:

It has been deemed as Windows8's greatest mistake. 

It is like building a door with no handles but the product is more like an
adventure game where you push and touch everything until something happens.
After you have played the game for a while it becomes easy to use.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hans-Christian
Andersen
Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 4:15 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Rumors: Will the [Start] button be brought back inMS
Windows 8.1? "_

Hilarious that this should even be newsworthy.

- Hans



On 2013-04-29, at 4:06 AM, Salakhetdinov Shamil <mcp2004 at mail.ru> wrote:

> 
> FYI:  http://techcrunch.com/2013/04/22/start-me-up/
> 
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Apr 29 11:11:32 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2013 09:11:32 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] A smart TV set with WiFi,
	DLNA as well as with full Internet browser support and ability to
	view text, PDF from DLNA(?) server...
In-Reply-To: <1367246323.878913345@f224.mail.ru>
References: <1367246323.878913345@f224.mail.ru>
Message-ID: <E2F27BA19AF04E27A57BD9FDC01ACFC9@server2003>

Hi Shamil:

I have a Samsung 6100 which has its own version (aversions) of Linux (Bada
or Tizen) running it, which does suggest it can be upgraded or replaced
easily. It does have multiple HDMI connectors, wireless capabilities, a
direct LAN connection and even has the old RCA type jacks. It has an
internet browser of sorts but nothing like the current crop of PC browsers.
It also has "gesture" capabilities from its hand controller. Whether it can
be hacked and a separate OS installed I can not tell you but I was looking
into that before the current contract absorbed most of my time. 

I do run much of its content from a windows version of PS3 Media Server,
installed, on a server, on the network. It is great for managing content
libaries like running presentations, tutorials (mostly saved YouTube and
MS), family and other movies. It also offers the capabilities of managing
music and photo but I have not played with those features yet.

Jim 
  
-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov
Shamil
Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 7:39 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Softw
Subject: [dba-Tech] A smart TV set with WiFi, DLNA as well as with full
Internet browser support and ability to view text, PDF from DLNA(?)
server...

 Hi All --

I'm not sure is such a subject Smart TV set exist or not?
Do you know about any?

Basically I'd like to have a TV Set (running some embedded Linux or Win7/8):

- with built-in or "dongle-driven" WiFi connection;
- stream video, audio, view pics from a LAN DLNA server connected via WiFi
(like that? http://mywindows8.org/connect-samsung-dlna-enabled-smart-tv/ ?)
- with a full internet browser to browse at any available LAN locations as
well as at Internet sites via WiFi connection;
- with ability to view text and PDF files - if that would be available only
via browser - that would be OK.

I'm no looking for a monoblock PC or a TV set connected to a PC via HDMI but
a TV set with features as I have tried to outline above.

Could you please advise any?

Thank you.

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From gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Apr 29 11:26:00 2013
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2013 18:26:00 +0200
Subject: [dba-Tech] Rumors: Will the [Start] button be brought back in
	MS Windows 8.1?
Message-ID: <010d01ce44f6$3c87cf20$b5976d60$@cactus.dk>

Hi Shamil

You better do:

<quote>
The website www.pokki.com was blocked by CSIS Secure DNS. 
</quote>

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Salakhetdinov Shamil
Sendt: 29. april 2013 15:41
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Rumors: Will the [Start] button be brought back in MS Windows 8.1? "_

 HI Hans --

I know you and your customers  don't need MS Windows at all so every news about MS Windows may sound hilarious there? :) BTW, that subject news could be a humor kind of  news posting as they start with a sentence " Our long, national nightmare is over..." :) If seriously some folks here and there argued that absence of the [Start] menu would be one of the main reasons for them to not upgrade to Win8 so if Win8.1 will bring the [Start] button back that folks will have one reason less to avoid upgrading to Win8 (well, they will find others no doubt - and I'm not advocating for Win8 upgrading here.) I'd note I have used Win8 for almost half an year now (mainly in desktop mode) and I haven't found any need in [Start] button.
Moreover I have just tried to setup Pokki

http://www.pokki.com

and I suppose I will remove it right now.

Sounds hilarious? Let it be...

Thank you.

-- Shamil 



From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Apr 29 11:28:07 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2013 09:28:07 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Interesting factoids
In-Reply-To: <1367246323.878913345@f224.mail.ru>
References: <1367246323.878913345@f224.mail.ru>
Message-ID: <F7EE2B87709A489D974DB770F0F89EDD@server2003>

Hi All:

According to an article Windows runs faster of a Mac than on most PCs. There
is no comparison to that of the Surface computer in the text.

http://bgr.com/2013/04/24/windows-pc-study-macbook-pro-463158/?utm_source=dl
vr.it&utm_medium=facebook

The latest version of Ubuntu Linux 13.04, though not stellar in more new
features, runs very fast. According to an article it, runs faster than Mac
10.x on equivalent equipment.

http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=22580&
Itemid=21 

...and... 

http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=ubuntu1304_apple_osx1083&
num=1

Aside: for those interested there is an OS benchmark testing suite, which
runs on all major platforms: http://www.phoronix-test-suite.com/

And finally 6 predictions for the future of tech from Google exec Eric
Schmidt. Most seem obvious but business is confirming it.

http://memeburn.com/2013/04/6-predictions-for-the-future-of-tech-from-google
-exec-eric-schmidt/

Jim 


From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Apr 29 11:43:51 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2013 09:43:51 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Latest version of Ubuntu ready for download and
	installation
In-Reply-To: <E2F27BA19AF04E27A57BD9FDC01ACFC9@server2003>
References: <1367246323.878913345@f224.mail.ru>
	<E2F27BA19AF04E27A57BD9FDC01ACFC9@server2003>
Message-ID: <79167C3F4C8E4A9CAEC8324DE3205C67@server2003>

Ubuntu 13.04 is now ready for installation.

http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/04/ubuntu-13-04-boosts-gr
aphics-performance-to-prepare-for-phones-tablets/

http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/04/new-ubuntu-13-04-features

Though this version does have some touch/gesture capabilities full touch
screen version, it will not be until 14.4 that Ubuntu will have a complete
set. Another point to note is that their Cloud capabilities has been
extended to support most frameworks through OpenStack and Amazon.

Jim


From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Mon Apr 29 11:50:53 2013
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2013 20:50:53 +0400
Subject: [dba-Tech]
 =?utf-8?q?Rumors=3A_Will_the_=5BStart=5D_button_be_bro?=
 =?utf-8?q?ught_back_in_MS_Windows_8=2E1=3F?=
In-Reply-To: <010d01ce44f6$3c87cf20$b5976d60$@cactus.dk>
References: <010d01ce44f6$3c87cf20$b5976d60$@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <1367254253.997767156@f286.mail.ru>

 Hi Gustav --

Thank you for your warning.
I have just installed it today after reading TechCrunch article.
I have tried to google/bing using your quote but I didn't get any results.?
Do you have a link on info why pokki.com was blocked by CSIS Secure DNS?
As far as I see pooki is reviewed and is available to download from many sites as e.g. CNET.
BTW, nod32 antivirus I have here didn't warn me anyhow during pokki setup.

Yes, as far as I see pokki does hook keyboard input (e.g. blocks Ctrl+Esc and displays its own "Start" menu instead), so potentially it can be used for phishing if hijacked by other malicious apps...

Thank you.

-- Shamil

???????????, 29 ?????? 2013, 18:26 +02:00 ?? "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>:
>Hi Shamil
>
>You better do:
>
><quote>
>The website  www.pokki.com was blocked by CSIS Secure DNS. 
></quote>
>
>/gustav
>
>-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
>Fra:  dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Salakhetdinov Shamil
>Sendt: 29. april 2013 15:41
>Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Rumors: Will the [Start] button be brought back in MS Windows 8.1? "_
>
>?HI Hans --
>
>I know you and your customers  don't need MS Windows at all so every news about MS Windows may sound hilarious there? :) BTW, that subject news could be a humor kind of  news posting as they start with a sentence " Our long, national nightmare is over..." :) If seriously some folks here and there argued that absence of the [Start] menu would be one of the main reasons for them to not upgrade to Win8 so if Win8.1 will bring the [Start] button back that folks will have one reason less to avoid upgrading to Win8 (well, they will find others no doubt - and I'm not advocating for Win8 upgrading here.) I'd note I have used Win8 for almost half an year now (mainly in desktop mode) and I haven't found any need in [Start] button.
>Moreover I have just tried to setup Pokki
>
>http://www.pokki.com
>
>and I suppose I will remove it right now.
>
>Sounds hilarious? Let it be...
>
>Thank you.
>
>-- Shamil 
>
>


From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Mon Apr 29 12:05:09 2013
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2013 21:05:09 +0400
Subject: [dba-Tech]
 =?utf-8?q?A_smart_TV_set_with_WiFi=2C_DLNA_as_well_as_?=
 =?utf-8?q?with_full_Internet_browser_support_and_ability_to_view_text=2C_?=
 =?utf-8?b?UERGIGZyb20gRExOQSg/KSBzZXJ2ZXIuLi4=?=
In-Reply-To: <E2F27BA19AF04E27A57BD9FDC01ACFC9@server2003>
References: <1367246323.878913345@f224.mail.ru>
	<E2F27BA19AF04E27A57BD9FDC01ACFC9@server2003>
Message-ID: <1367255109.642057151@f286.mail.ru>

 Hi Jim --

Thank you for your note on your own Smart TV usage experience.

It looks like the following device would be a good fit for me - and it can be used(?) with a "dumb" TV set AFAIU - so the TOC wouldn't be that high - and I'd even be able to use for my VS2012 development !? :)

http://www.smarttvradar.com/11465/piixl-edgecenter-turns-tv-into-a-gesture-controlled-pc/

http://piixl.com/the-new-edgecenter.html

Thank you.

-- Shamail

???????????, 29 ?????? 2013, 9:11 -07:00 ?? "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca>:
>Hi Shamil:
>
>I have a Samsung 6100 which has its own version (aversions) of Linux (Bada
>or Tizen) running it, which does suggest it can be upgraded or replaced
>easily. It does have multiple HDMI connectors, wireless capabilities, a
>direct LAN connection and even has the old RCA type jacks. It has an
>internet browser of sorts but nothing like the current crop of PC browsers.
>It also has "gesture" capabilities from its hand controller. Whether it can
>be hacked and a separate OS installed I can not tell you but I was looking
>into that before the current contract absorbed most of my time. 
>
>I do run much of its content from a windows version of PS3 Media Server,
>installed, on a server, on the network. It is great for managing content
>libaries like running presentations, tutorials (mostly saved YouTube and
>MS), family and other movies. It also offers the capabilities of managing
>music and photo but I have not played with those features yet.
>
>Jim 
>??
>-----Original Message-----
>From:  dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov
>Shamil
>Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 7:39 AM
>To: Discussion of Hardware and Softw
>Subject: [dba-Tech] A smart TV set with WiFi, DLNA as well as with full
>Internet browser support and ability to view text, PDF from DLNA(?)
>server...
>
>?Hi All --
>
>I'm not sure is such a subject Smart TV set exist or not?
>Do you know about any?
>
>Basically I'd like to have a TV Set (running some embedded Linux or Win7/8):
>
>- with built-in or "dongle-driven" WiFi connection;
>- stream video, audio, view pics from a LAN DLNA server connected via WiFi
>(like that?  http://mywindows8.org/connect-samsung-dlna-enabled-smart-tv/ ?)
>- with a full internet browser to browse at any available LAN locations as
>well as at Internet sites via WiFi connection;
>- with ability to view text and PDF files - if that would be available only
>via browser - that would be OK.
>
>I'm no looking for a monoblock PC or a TV set connected to a PC via HDMI but
>a TV set with features as I have tried to outline above.
>
>Could you please advise any?
>
>Thank you.
>
>-- 
>???????????? ??????

From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Apr 29 12:09:54 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2013 10:09:54 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Another Office
In-Reply-To: <E2F27BA19AF04E27A57BD9FDC01ACFC9@server2003>
References: <1367246323.878913345@f224.mail.ru>
	<E2F27BA19AF04E27A57BD9FDC01ACFC9@server2003>
Message-ID: <A4F105477C6E4FB388F7526B58CB202E@server2003>

There is another Open Office version out there called WPS Office. This one
was developed via a Chinese company and it is supposed to look exactly like
Microsoft Office.

Whether it has all same features, which operate the same way and still has
the same level of performance, that will require further investigation.

http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/03/wps-office-for-linux-looks-like-microsoft
-office-but-isnt

To download the Debian (Ubuntu/Mint) version:

http://wdl.cache.ijinshan.com/wps/download/Linux/unstable/wps-office_8.1.0.3
724~b1p2_i386.deb

It has the word processor, slideshow presentation and a spreadsheet modules
but where is the full version of Access? ;-)

...and if for some reason you have difficultly reading the Chinese version
check out:

http://mosayanvala.wordpress.com/2013/03/04/wps-for-linux-first-impressions/

Jim


From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Apr 29 12:20:04 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2013 10:20:04 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] A smart TV set with WiFi,
	DLNA as well as with full Internet browser support and ability to
	view text, PDF from DLNA(?) server...
In-Reply-To: <1367255109.642057151@f286.mail.ru>
References: <1367246323.878913345@f224.mail.ru><E2F27BA19AF04E27A57BD9FDC01ACFC9@server2003>
	<1367255109.642057151@f286.mail.ru>
Message-ID: <C2C05C17547941E9B1B76F60C062D554@server2003>

Hi Shamil:

Thanks for that...it is a very interesting product. How high is the
resolution?

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov
Shamil
Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 10:05 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] A smart TV set with WiFi, DLNA as well as with full
Internet browser support and ability to view text, PDF from DLNA(?)
server...

 Hi Jim --

Thank you for your note on your own Smart TV usage experience.

It looks like the following device would be a good fit for me - and it can
be used(?) with a "dumb" TV set AFAIU - so the TOC wouldn't be that high -
and I'd even be able to use for my VS2012 development !? :)

http://www.smarttvradar.com/11465/piixl-edgecenter-turns-tv-into-a-gesture-c
ontrolled-pc/

http://piixl.com/the-new-edgecenter.html

Thank you.

-- Shamail

???????????, 29 ?????? 2013, 9:11 -07:00 ?? "Jim Lawrence"
<accessd at shaw.ca>:
>Hi Shamil:
>
>I have a Samsung 6100 which has its own version (aversions) of Linux (Bada
>or Tizen) running it, which does suggest it can be upgraded or replaced
>easily. It does have multiple HDMI connectors, wireless capabilities, a
>direct LAN connection and even has the old RCA type jacks. It has an
>internet browser of sorts but nothing like the current crop of PC browsers.
>It also has "gesture" capabilities from its hand controller. Whether it can
>be hacked and a separate OS installed I can not tell you but I was looking
>into that before the current contract absorbed most of my time. 
>
>I do run much of its content from a windows version of PS3 Media Server,
>installed, on a server, on the network. It is great for managing content
>libaries like running presentations, tutorials (mostly saved YouTube and
>MS), family and other movies. It also offers the capabilities of managing
>music and photo but I have not played with those features yet.
>
>Jim 
>??
>-----Original Message-----
>From:  dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov
>Shamil
>Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 7:39 AM
>To: Discussion of Hardware and Softw
>Subject: [dba-Tech] A smart TV set with WiFi, DLNA as well as with full
>Internet browser support and ability to view text, PDF from DLNA(?)
>server...
>
>?Hi All --
>
>I'm not sure is such a subject Smart TV set exist or not?
>Do you know about any?
>
>Basically I'd like to have a TV Set (running some embedded Linux or
Win7/8):
>
>- with built-in or "dongle-driven" WiFi connection;
>- stream video, audio, view pics from a LAN DLNA server connected via WiFi
>(like that?  http://mywindows8.org/connect-samsung-dlna-enabled-smart-tv/
?)
>- with a full internet browser to browse at any available LAN locations as
>well as at Internet sites via WiFi connection;
>- with ability to view text and PDF files - if that would be available only
>via browser - that would be OK.
>
>I'm no looking for a monoblock PC or a TV set connected to a PC via HDMI
but
>a TV set with features as I have tried to outline above.
>
>Could you please advise any?
>
>Thank you.
>
>-- 
>???????????? ??????
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From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Mon Apr 29 14:01:51 2013
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2013 23:01:51 +0400
Subject: [dba-Tech]
 =?utf-8?q?A_smart_TV_set_with_WiFi=2C_DLNA_as_well_as_?=
 =?utf-8?q?with_full_Internet_browser_support_and_ability_to_view_text=2C_?=
 =?utf-8?b?UERGIGZyb20gRExOQSg/KSBzZXJ2ZXIuLi4=?=
In-Reply-To: <C2C05C17547941E9B1B76F60C062D554@server2003>
References: <1367246323.878913345@f224.mail.ru>
	<1367255109.642057151@f286.mail.ru>
	<C2C05C17547941E9B1B76F60C062D554@server2003>
Message-ID: <1367262111.131194572@f325.mail.ru>

 Hi Jim --

I don't know - they do not provide information about resolution in the specs:

http://piixl.com/the-new-edgecenter/specifications.html

-- Shamil


???????????, 29 ?????? 2013, 10:20 -07:00 ?? "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca>:
>Hi Shamil:
>
>Thanks for that...it is a very interesting product. How high is the
>resolution?
>
>Jim
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From:  dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov
>Shamil
>Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 10:05 AM
>To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] A smart TV set with WiFi, DLNA as well as with full
>Internet browser support and ability to view text, PDF from DLNA(?)
>server...
>
>?Hi Jim --
>
>Thank you for your note on your own Smart TV usage experience.
>
>It looks like the following device would be a good fit for me - and it can
>be used(?) with a "dumb" TV set AFAIU - so the TOC wouldn't be that high -
>and I'd even be able to use for my VS2012 development !? :)
>
>http://www.smarttvradar.com/11465/piixl-edgecenter-turns-tv-into-a-gesture-c
>ontrolled-pc/
>
>http://piixl.com/the-new-edgecenter.html
>
>Thank you.
>
>-- Shamail
>
>???????????, 29 ?????? 2013, 9:11 -07:00 ?? "Jim Lawrence"
>< accessd at shaw.ca >:
>>Hi Shamil:
>>
>>I have a Samsung 6100 which has its own version (aversions) of Linux (Bada
>>or Tizen) running it, which does suggest it can be upgraded or replaced
>>easily. It does have multiple HDMI connectors, wireless capabilities, a
>>direct LAN connection and even has the old RCA type jacks. It has an
>>internet browser of sorts but nothing like the current crop of PC browsers.
>>It also has "gesture" capabilities from its hand controller. Whether it can
>>be hacked and a separate OS installed I can not tell you but I was looking
>>into that before the current contract absorbed most of my time. 
>>
>>I do run much of its content from a windows version of PS3 Media Server,
>>installed, on a server, on the network. It is great for managing content
>>libaries like running presentations, tutorials (mostly saved YouTube and
>>MS), family and other movies. It also offers the capabilities of managing
>>music and photo but I have not played with those features yet.
>>
>>Jim 
>>??
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From:  dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov
>>Shamil
>>Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 7:39 AM
>>To: Discussion of Hardware and Softw
>>Subject: [dba-Tech] A smart TV set with WiFi, DLNA as well as with full
>>Internet browser support and ability to view text, PDF from DLNA(?)
>>server...
>>
>>?Hi All --
>>
>>I'm not sure is such a subject Smart TV set exist or not?
>>Do you know about any?
>>
>>Basically I'd like to have a TV Set (running some embedded Linux or
>Win7/8):
>>
>>- with built-in or "dongle-driven" WiFi connection;
>>- stream video, audio, view pics from a LAN DLNA server connected via WiFi
>>(like that?  http://mywindows8.org/connect-samsung-dlna-enabled-smart-tv/
>?)
>>- with a full internet browser to browse at any available LAN locations as
>>well as at Internet sites via WiFi connection;
>>- with ability to view text and PDF files - if that would be available only
>>via browser - that would be OK.
>>
>>I'm no looking for a monoblock PC or a TV set connected to a PC via HDMI
>but
>>a TV set with features as I have tried to outline above.
>>
>>Could you please advise any?
>>
>>Thank you.
>>
>>-- 
>>???????????? ??????
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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Apr 29 16:16:05 2013
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2013 23:16:05 +0200
Subject: [dba-Tech] Rumors: Will the [Start] button be brought back	in
	MS Windows 8.1?
Message-ID: <s17eff61.069@cactus.dk>

Hi Shamil

I have no info why CSIS's secure DNS service is blocking that site but I'm confident it is for a reason; CSIS is _the_ authoritative security source here.

/gustav

>>> mcp2004 at mail.ru 29-04-13 18:50 >>>
 Hi Gustav --

Thank you for your warning.
I have just installed it today after reading TechCrunch article.
I have tried to google/bing using your quote but I didn't get any results.*
Do you have a link on info why pokki.com was blocked by CSIS Secure DNS?
As far as I see pooki is reviewed and is available to download from many sites as e.g. CNET.
BTW, nod32 antivirus I have here didn't warn me anyhow during pokki setup.

Yes, as far as I see pokki does hook keyboard input (e.g. blocks Ctrl+Esc and displays its own "Start" menu instead), so potentially it can be used for phishing if hijacked by other malicious apps...

Thank you.

-- Shamil

???????????, 29 ?????? 2013, 18:26 +02:00 ?? "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>:
>Hi Shamil
>
>You better do:
>
><quote>
>The website  www.pokki.com was blocked by CSIS Secure DNS. 
></quote>
>
>/gustav
>
>-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
>Fra:  dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P* vegne af Salakhetdinov Shamil
>Sendt: 29. april 2013 15:41
>Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Rumors: Will the [Start] button be brought back in MS Windows 8.1? "_
>
>*HI Hans --
>
>I know you and your customers  don't need MS Windows at all so every news about MS Windows may sound hilarious there? :) BTW, that subject news could be a humor kind of  news posting as they start with a sentence " Our long, national nightmare is over..." :) If seriously some folks here and there argued that absence of the [Start] menu would be one of the main reasons for them to not upgrade to Win8 so if Win8.1 will bring the [Start] button back that folks will have one reason less to avoid upgrading to Win8 (well, they will find others no doubt - and I'm not advocating for Win8 upgrading here.) I'd note I have used Win8 for almost half an year now (mainly in desktop mode) and I haven't found any need in [Start] button.
>Moreover I have just tried to setup Pokki
>
>http://www.pokki.com
>
>and I suppose I will remove it right now.
>
>Sounds hilarious? Let it be...
>
>Thank you.
>
>-- Shamil 


From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Apr 30 11:37:01 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2013 09:37:01 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Rumors: Will the [Start] button be brought back	inMS
	Windows 8.1?
In-Reply-To: <s17eff61.069@cactus.dk>
References: <s17eff61.069@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <84020B242ED44EB38D6FF7373574BE07@server2003>

Hi Gustav:

You can use this to test whether a/the site has been blacklisted for any
reason. There are so many reasons this could happen and these reasons are
not always caused by the sites creators...it could just be a false positive
but I have not investigated further.

Check this out:
http://mxtoolbox.com/SuperTool.aspx?action=blacklist%3a208.69.32.145#

(I have used the site's IP address so the tests will be easy to run.)

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 2:16 PM
To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Rumors: Will the [Start] button be brought back inMS
Windows 8.1?

Hi Shamil

I have no info why CSIS's secure DNS service is blocking that site but I'm
confident it is for a reason; CSIS is _the_ authoritative security source
here.

/gustav

>>> mcp2004 at mail.ru 29-04-13 18:50 >>>
 Hi Gustav --

Thank you for your warning.
I have just installed it today after reading TechCrunch article.
I have tried to google/bing using your quote but I didn't get any results.*
Do you have a link on info why pokki.com was blocked by CSIS Secure DNS?
As far as I see pooki is reviewed and is available to download from many
sites as e.g. CNET.
BTW, nod32 antivirus I have here didn't warn me anyhow during pokki setup.

Yes, as far as I see pokki does hook keyboard input (e.g. blocks Ctrl+Esc
and displays its own "Start" menu instead), so potentially it can be used
for phishing if hijacked by other malicious apps...

Thank you.

-- Shamil

???????????, 29 ?????? 2013, 18:26 +02:00 ?? "Gustav Brock"
<gustav at cactus.dk>:
>Hi Shamil
>
>You better do:
>
><quote>
>The website  www.pokki.com was blocked by CSIS Secure DNS. 
></quote>
>
>/gustav
>
>-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
>Fra:  dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P* vegne af Salakhetdinov
Shamil
>Sendt: 29. april 2013 15:41
>Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Rumors: Will the [Start] button be brought back in MS
Windows 8.1? "_
>
>*HI Hans --
>
>I know you and your customers  don't need MS Windows at all so every news
about MS Windows may sound hilarious there? :) BTW, that subject news could
be a humor kind of  news posting as they start with a sentence " Our long,
national nightmare is over..." :) If seriously some folks here and there
argued that absence of the [Start] menu would be one of the main reasons for
them to not upgrade to Win8 so if Win8.1 will bring the [Start] button back
that folks will have one reason less to avoid upgrading to Win8 (well, they
will find others no doubt - and I'm not advocating for Win8 upgrading here.)
I'd note I have used Win8 for almost half an year now (mainly in desktop
mode) and I haven't found any need in [Start] button.
>Moreover I have just tried to setup Pokki
>
>http://www.pokki.com
>
>and I suppose I will remove it right now.
>
>Sounds hilarious? Let it be...
>
>Thank you.
>
>-- Shamil 

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From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Tue Apr 30 14:53:36 2013
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2013 23:53:36 +0400
Subject: [dba-Tech]
 =?utf-8?q?Rumors=3A_Will_the_=5BStart=5D_button_be_bro?=
 =?utf-8?q?ught_back=09in_MS_Windows_8=2E1=3F?=
In-Reply-To: <s17eff61.069@cactus.dk>
References: <s17eff61.069@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <1367351616.563204571@f351.mail.ru>

 Hi Gustav --

I've got removed it.

Thank you.

-- Shamil

???????????, 29 ?????? 2013, 23:16 +02:00 ?? "Gustav Brock" <Gustav at cactus.dk>:
>Hi Shamil
>
>I have no info why CSIS's secure DNS service is blocking that site but I'm confident it is for a reason; CSIS is _the_ authoritative security source here.
>
>/gustav
>
>>>>  mcp2004 at mail.ru 29-04-13 18:50 >>>
>?Hi Gustav --
>
>Thank you for your warning.
>I have just installed it today after reading TechCrunch article.
>I have tried to google/bing using your quote but I didn't get any results.*
>Do you have a link on info why pokki.com was blocked by CSIS Secure DNS?
>As far as I see pooki is reviewed and is available to download from many sites as e.g. CNET.
>BTW, nod32 antivirus I have here didn't warn me anyhow during pokki setup.
>
>Yes, as far as I see pokki does hook keyboard input (e.g. blocks Ctrl+Esc and displays its own "Start" menu instead), so potentially it can be used for phishing if hijacked by other malicious apps...
>
>Thank you.
>
>-- Shamil
>
>???????????, 29 ?????? 2013, 18:26 +02:00 ?? "Gustav Brock" < gustav at cactus.dk >:
>>Hi Shamil
>>
>>You better do:
>>
>><quote>
>>The website  www.pokki.com was blocked by CSIS Secure DNS. 
>></quote>
>>
>>/gustav
>>
>>-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
>>Fra:  dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P* vegne af Salakhetdinov Shamil
>>Sendt: 29. april 2013 15:41
>>Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>>Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Rumors: Will the [Start] button be brought back in MS Windows 8.1? "_
>>
>>*HI Hans --
>>
>>I know you and your customers  don't need MS Windows at all so every news about MS Windows may sound hilarious there? :) BTW, that subject news could be a humor kind of  news posting as they start with a sentence " Our long, national nightmare is over..." :) If seriously some folks here and there argued that absence of the [Start] menu would be one of the main reasons for them to not upgrade to Win8 so if Win8.1 will bring the [Start] button back that folks will have one reason less to avoid upgrading to Win8 (well, they will find others no doubt - and I'm not advocating for Win8 upgrading here.) I'd note I have used Win8 for almost half an year now (mainly in desktop mode) and I haven't found any need in [Start] button.
>>Moreover I have just tried to setup Pokki
>>
>> http://www.pokki.com
>>
>>and I suppose I will remove it right now.
>>
>>Sounds hilarious? Let it be...
>>
>>Thank you.
>>
>>-- Shamil 
>