From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Thu Aug  1 04:13:11 2013
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2013 05:13:11 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Uninstall a program in Windows 8
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1hZBTGR5zBDLCcikN+K76aqECsf+gZ4R4sxoSFw9EDvVg@mail.gmail.com>

How can I uninstall a program in Windows 8? I can't seem to locate the
equivalent of Windows 7's Control Panel. I have to shed this new beast of a
few things I hate, such as MacAfee.

-- 
Arthur
Cell: 647.710.1314

Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
  -- Niels Bohr

From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Thu Aug  1 06:09:30 2013
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2013 07:09:30 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] No gadgets in Win8?
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1gd8ykkS1emm0EgVropE73+nrY8fqYJE6DqDHTAqGVgQQ@mail.gmail.com>

On my old horse (Win7) I liked to have a few Gadgets installed. Now on my
new Win8 laptop I can't seem to find them. I liked having the weather and
the performance monitor. Are they there and it's simply that I cannot
locate them, or are they gone?

-- 
Arthur
Cell: 647.710.1314

Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
  -- Niels Bohr

From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Thu Aug  1 06:52:17 2013
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2013 15:52:17 +0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?Uninstall_a_program_in_Windows_8?=
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Message-ID: <1375357937.314909881@f302.i.mail.ru>

 Hi Arthur --

Try

[WindowsKey] + X and then push letter F

to get "Programs and Features" window open.

-- Shamil

Thursday, August  1, 2013 5:13 AM -04:00 from Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com>:
>How can I uninstall a program in Windows 8? I can't seem to locate the
>equivalent of Windows 7's Control Panel. I have to shed this new beast of a
>few things I hate, such as MacAfee.
>
>-- 
>Arthur
>Cell: 647.710.1314
>
>Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
>??-- Niels Bohr
>_______________________________________________
>dba-Tech mailing list
>dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>Website:  http://www.databaseadvisors.com


-- 
???????????? ??????

From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Thu Aug  1 07:15:20 2013
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2013 08:15:20 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Uninstall a program in Windows 8
In-Reply-To: <1375357937.314909881@f302.i.mail.ru>
References: <CAEPJO1hZBTGR5zBDLCcikN+K76aqECsf+gZ4R4sxoSFw9EDvVg@mail.gmail.com>
	<1375357937.314909881@f302.i.mail.ru>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1hWaBvDwr9BrvAjC9-JnBzed+znHVssV0esm74_EUcJ+w@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks, Shamil. As it happens I also accidentally discovered another path
to it, which is to drag the mouse to the right edge of the screen, and then
a pop-up group of images appears. I'm starting to like Windows 8, and I'm
really loving this new laptop (Dell, 8GB RAM and 1TB hard disk, with my old
two external drives attached via USB 3.0). So in total I have 2.5 TB of
disk storage, and 8GB of RAM is a world of difference from 4GB. This little
baby flies!

A.


On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 7:52 AM, Salakhetdinov Shamil <mcp2004 at mail.ru>wrote:

>  Hi Arthur --
>
> Try
>
> [WindowsKey] + X and then push letter F
>
> to get "Programs and Features" window open.
>
> -- Shamil
>
> Thursday, August  1, 2013 5:13 AM -04:00 from Arthur Fuller <
> fuller.artful at gmail.com>:
> >How can I uninstall a program in Windows 8? I can't seem to locate the
> >equivalent of Windows 7's Control Panel. I have to shed this new beast of
> a
> >few things I hate, such as MacAfee.
> >
> >--
> >Arthur
> >Cell: 647.710.1314
> >
> >Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
> >  -- Niels Bohr
> >_______________________________________________
> >dba-Tech mailing list
> >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> >Website:  http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>
> --
> ???????????? ??????
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>



-- 
Arthur
Cell: 647.710.1314

Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
  -- Niels Bohr

From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Thu Aug  1 07:58:06 2013
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2013 16:58:06 +0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?Uninstall_a_program_in_Windows_8?=
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1hWaBvDwr9BrvAjC9-JnBzed+znHVssV0esm74_EUcJ+w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1hZBTGR5zBDLCcikN+K76aqECsf+gZ4R4sxoSFw9EDvVg@mail.gmail.com>
	<1375357937.314909881@f302.i.mail.ru>
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Message-ID: <1375361885.178439639@f71.mail.ru>

 HI Arthur --

Real developers do use hot-keys ! :)

Yes, your "little baby" should fly - and ?I have a "little toy laptop" here too: Win8 Prof, ASUS, 17'', 12GB RAM, embedded 256GB (system) SSD and 1TB (data) HDD plus external 2TB ?USB3.0-driven HDD for backup etc.

-- Shamil

Thursday, August  1, 2013 8:15 AM -04:00 from Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com>:
>Thanks, Shamil. As it happens I also accidentally discovered another path
>to it, which is to drag the mouse to the right edge of the screen, and then
>a pop-up group of images appears. I'm starting to like Windows 8, and I'm
>really loving this new laptop (Dell, 8GB RAM and 1TB hard disk, with my old
>two external drives attached via USB 3.0). So in total I have 2.5 TB of
>disk storage, and 8GB of RAM is a world of difference from 4GB. This little
>baby flies!
>
>A.
>
>
>On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 7:52 AM, Salakhetdinov Shamil < mcp2004 at mail.ru >wrote:
>
>>  Hi Arthur --
>>
>> Try
>>
>> [WindowsKey] + X and then push letter F
>>
>> to get "Programs and Features" window open.
>>
>> -- Shamil
>>
>> Thursday, August  1, 2013 5:13 AM -04:00 from Arthur Fuller <
>>  fuller.artful at gmail.com >:
>> >How can I uninstall a program in Windows 8? I can't seem to locate the
>> >equivalent of Windows 7's Control Panel. I have to shed this new beast of
>> a
>> >few things I hate, such as MacAfee.
>> >
>> >--
>> >Arthur
>> >Cell: 647.710.1314
>> >
>> >Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
>> >  -- Niels Bohr
>> >_______________________________________________
>> >dba-Tech mailing list
>> >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>> >Website:  http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>>
>> --
>> ???????????? ??????
>> _______________________________________________
>> dba-Tech mailing list
>>  dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>>  http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>> Website:  http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>
>
>
>-- 
>Arthur
>Cell: 647.710.1314
>
>Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
>??-- Niels Bohr
>_______________________________________________
>dba-Tech mailing list
>dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>Website:  http://www.databaseadvisors.com


-- 
???????????? ??????

From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Thu Aug  1 08:01:13 2013
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2013 09:01:13 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Uninstall a program in Windows 8
In-Reply-To: <1375361885.178439639@f71.mail.ru>
References: <CAEPJO1hZBTGR5zBDLCcikN+K76aqECsf+gZ4R4sxoSFw9EDvVg@mail.gmail.com>
	<1375357937.314909881@f302.i.mail.ru>
	<CAEPJO1hWaBvDwr9BrvAjC9-JnBzed+znHVssV0esm74_EUcJ+w@mail.gmail.com>
	<1375361885.178439639@f71.mail.ru>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1g29hmjmk-i3M6733SN6d+z0ssPaqYP+r2RPVmGfGfNtg@mail.gmail.com>

As my old friend Brian Russell (creator of Clipper) likes to say, "real
programmers don't use compilers, they write compilers."

Arthur


On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 8:58 AM, Salakhetdinov Shamil <mcp2004 at mail.ru>wrote:

>  HI Arthur --
>
> Real developers do use hot-keys ! :)
>
> Yes, your "little baby" should fly - and  I have a "little toy laptop"
> here too: Win8 Prof, ASUS, 17'', 12GB RAM, embedded 256GB (system) SSD and
> 1TB (data) HDD plus external 2TB  USB3.0-driven HDD for backup etc.
>
> -- Shamil
>
> Thursday, August  1, 2013 8:15 AM -04:00 from Arthur Fuller <
> fuller.artful at gmail.com>:
> >Thanks, Shamil. As it happens I also accidentally discovered another path
> >to it, which is to drag the mouse to the right edge of the screen, and
> then
> >a pop-up group of images appears. I'm starting to like Windows 8, and I'm
> >really loving this new laptop (Dell, 8GB RAM and 1TB hard disk, with my
> old
> >two external drives attached via USB 3.0). So in total I have 2.5 TB of
> >disk storage, and 8GB of RAM is a world of difference from 4GB. This
> little
> >baby flies!
> >
> >A.
> >
> >
> >On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 7:52 AM, Salakhetdinov Shamil < mcp2004 at mail.ru>wrote:
> >
> >>  Hi Arthur --
> >>
> >> Try
> >>
> >> [WindowsKey] + X and then push letter F
> >>
> >> to get "Programs and Features" window open.
> >>
> >> -- Shamil
> >>
> >> Thursday, August  1, 2013 5:13 AM -04:00 from Arthur Fuller <
> >>  fuller.artful at gmail.com >:
> >> >How can I uninstall a program in Windows 8? I can't seem to locate the
> >> >equivalent of Windows 7's Control Panel. I have to shed this new beast
> of
> >> a
> >> >few things I hate, such as MacAfee.
> >> >
> >> >--
> >> >Arthur
> >> >Cell: 647.710.1314
> >> >
> >> >Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
> >> >  -- Niels Bohr
> >> >_______________________________________________
> >> >dba-Tech mailing list
> >> >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> >> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> >> >Website:  http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> ???????????? ??????
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> dba-Tech mailing list
> >>  dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> >>  http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> >> Website:  http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >--
> >Arthur
> >Cell: 647.710.1314
> >
> >Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
> >  -- Niels Bohr
> >_______________________________________________
> >dba-Tech mailing list
> >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> >Website:  http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>
> --
> ???????????? ??????
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>



-- 
Arthur
Cell: 647.710.1314

Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
  -- Niels Bohr

From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Thu Aug  1 08:06:09 2013
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2013 06:06:09 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Uninstall a program in Windows 8
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1hWaBvDwr9BrvAjC9-JnBzed+znHVssV0esm74_EUcJ+w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1hZBTGR5zBDLCcikN+K76aqECsf+gZ4R4sxoSFw9EDvVg@mail.gmail.com><1375357937.314909881@f302.i.mail.ru>
	<CAEPJO1hWaBvDwr9BrvAjC9-JnBzed+znHVssV0esm74_EUcJ+w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <95F3D019B6D3479E94573AC54E27C640@HAL9007>

Do you find that getting that pop up on the right is hard to do
consistently?

R
 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2013 5:15 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Uninstall a program in Windows 8

Thanks, Shamil. As it happens I also accidentally discovered another path to
it, which is to drag the mouse to the right edge of the screen, and then a
pop-up group of images appears. I'm starting to like Windows 8, and I'm
really loving this new laptop (Dell, 8GB RAM and 1TB hard disk, with my old
two external drives attached via USB 3.0). So in total I have 2.5 TB of disk
storage, and 8GB of RAM is a world of difference from 4GB. This little baby
flies!

A.


On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 7:52 AM, Salakhetdinov Shamil <mcp2004 at mail.ru>wrote:

>  Hi Arthur --
>
> Try
>
> [WindowsKey] + X and then push letter F
>
> to get "Programs and Features" window open.
>
> -- Shamil
>
> Thursday, August  1, 2013 5:13 AM -04:00 from Arthur Fuller <
> fuller.artful at gmail.com>:
> >How can I uninstall a program in Windows 8? I can't seem to locate 
> >the equivalent of Windows 7's Control Panel. I have to shed this new 
> >beast of
> a
> >few things I hate, such as MacAfee.
> >
> >--
> >Arthur
> >Cell: 647.710.1314
> >
> >Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
> >  -- Niels Bohr
> >_______________________________________________
> >dba-Tech mailing list
> >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> >Website:  http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>
> --
> ???????????? ??????
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>



--
Arthur
Cell: 647.710.1314

Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
  -- Niels Bohr
_______________________________________________
dba-Tech mailing list
dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com



From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Thu Aug  1 08:58:14 2013
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2013 17:58:14 +0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?Uninstall_a_program_in_Windows_8?=
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1g29hmjmk-i3M6733SN6d+z0ssPaqYP+r2RPVmGfGfNtg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1hZBTGR5zBDLCcikN+K76aqECsf+gZ4R4sxoSFw9EDvVg@mail.gmail.com>
	<1375361885.178439639@f71.mail.ru>
	<CAEPJO1g29hmjmk-i3M6733SN6d+z0ssPaqYP+r2RPVmGfGfNtg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1375365493.621008600@f369.mail.ru>

 Hi Arthur --

Well, I did develop a few compilers/translators/interpreters in the past (quite some time ago and processing simpler than Clipper's programming language instructions/directives) and they were successfully used by my colleagues and customers and I didn't use other compilers to developer that compilers I have used assemblers and linkers :)

Just wanted to note that I'd not differentiate "real" and "fake" programmers by their ability to write compilers ?- IMO developing business applications is often a way more complicated that writing compilers as compilers do have strictly defined and relatively stable "rules of the game" (source language formal syntax and semantics) and projects' budgets, and modern business applications do have constantly changing specs, which require special skills/experience from their programmers/developers to keep business applications up-to-date with subject area business rules, in context of projects' tight budgets and deadlines...

-- Shamil

Thursday, August  1, 2013 9:01 AM -04:00 from Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com>:
>As my old friend Brian Russell (creator of Clipper) likes to say, "real
>programmers don't use compilers, they write compilers."
>
>Arthur
>
>
>On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 8:58 AM, Salakhetdinov Shamil < mcp2004 at mail.ru >wrote:
>
>>  HI Arthur --
>>
>> Real developers do use hot-keys ! :)
>>
>> Yes, your "little baby" should fly - and  I have a "little toy laptop"
>> here too: Win8 Prof, ASUS, 17'', 12GB RAM, embedded 256GB (system) SSD and
>> 1TB (data) HDD plus external 2TB  USB3.0-driven HDD for backup etc.
>>
>> -- Shamil
>>
>> Thursday, August  1, 2013 8:15 AM -04:00 from Arthur Fuller <
>>  fuller.artful at gmail.com >:
>> >Thanks, Shamil. As it happens I also accidentally discovered another path
>> >to it, which is to drag the mouse to the right edge of the screen, and
>> then
>> >a pop-up group of images appears. I'm starting to like Windows 8, and I'm
>> >really loving this new laptop (Dell, 8GB RAM and 1TB hard disk, with my
>> old
>> >two external drives attached via USB 3.0). So in total I have 2.5 TB of
>> >disk storage, and 8GB of RAM is a world of difference from 4GB. This
>> little
>> >baby flies!
>> >
>> >A.
>> > <<< skipped >>>


From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Thu Aug  1 09:18:37 2013
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2013 07:18:37 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Uninstall a program in Windows 8
In-Reply-To: <1375365493.621008600@f369.mail.ru>
References: <CAEPJO1hZBTGR5zBDLCcikN+K76aqECsf+gZ4R4sxoSFw9EDvVg@mail.gmail.com><1375361885.178439639@f71.mail.ru><CAEPJO1g29hmjmk-i3M6733SN6d+z0ssPaqYP+r2RPVmGfGfNtg@mail.gmail.com>
	<1375365493.621008600@f369.mail.ru>
Message-ID: <96A0F95115B343D5B9767DFC0A8A9BC0@HAL9007>

Hear, hear!! Props to the business app developers (just because I are one)
who daily do battle with users who either don't know what they really want
until you write it and they see and then figure it out, or users who know
exactly what they want and call you every day to tell you how 'exactly what
they want' today differs from what they wanted yesterday.  Which you need to
not charge them for.  

Rocky


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov
Shamil
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2013 6:58 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Uninstall a program in Windows 8

 Hi Arthur --

Well, I did develop a few compilers/translators/interpreters in the past
(quite some time ago and processing simpler than Clipper's programming
language instructions/directives) and they were successfully used by my
colleagues and customers and I didn't use other compilers to developer that
compilers I have used assemblers and linkers :)

Just wanted to note that I'd not differentiate "real" and "fake" programmers
by their ability to write compilers ?- IMO developing business applications
is often a way more complicated that writing compilers as compilers do have
strictly defined and relatively stable "rules of the game" (source language
formal syntax and semantics) and projects' budgets, and modern business
applications do have constantly changing specs, which require special
skills/experience from their programmers/developers to keep business
applications up-to-date with subject area business rules, in context of
projects' tight budgets and deadlines...

-- Shamil

Thursday, August  1, 2013 9:01 AM -04:00 from Arthur Fuller
<fuller.artful at gmail.com>:
>As my old friend Brian Russell (creator of Clipper) likes to say, "real 
>programmers don't use compilers, they write compilers."
>
>Arthur
>
>
>On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 8:58 AM, Salakhetdinov Shamil < mcp2004 at mail.ru
>wrote:
>
>>  HI Arthur --
>>
>> Real developers do use hot-keys ! :)
>>
>> Yes, your "little baby" should fly - and  I have a "little toy laptop"
>> here too: Win8 Prof, ASUS, 17'', 12GB RAM, embedded 256GB (system) 
>> SSD and 1TB (data) HDD plus external 2TB  USB3.0-driven HDD for backup
etc.
>>
>> -- Shamil
>>
>> Thursday, August  1, 2013 8:15 AM -04:00 from Arthur Fuller <  
>> fuller.artful at gmail.com >:
>> >Thanks, Shamil. As it happens I also accidentally discovered another 
>> >path to it, which is to drag the mouse to the right edge of the 
>> >screen, and
>> then
>> >a pop-up group of images appears. I'm starting to like Windows 8, 
>> >and I'm really loving this new laptop (Dell, 8GB RAM and 1TB hard 
>> >disk, with my
>> old
>> >two external drives attached via USB 3.0). So in total I have 2.5 TB 
>> >of disk storage, and 8GB of RAM is a world of difference from 4GB. 
>> >This
>> little
>> >baby flies!
>> >
>> >A.
>> > <<< skipped >>>

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From jbartow at winhaven.net  Thu Aug  1 14:13:51 2013
From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow)
Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2013 14:13:51 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] No gadgets in Win8?
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1gd8ykkS1emm0EgVropE73+nrY8fqYJE6DqDHTAqGVgQQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1gd8ykkS1emm0EgVropE73+nrY8fqYJE6DqDHTAqGVgQQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <017401ce8eeb$439b8f10$cad2ad30$@winhaven.net>

Win Vista/7 gadget=security hole. MS advised people to quit using them some
time ago, maybe they removed them altogether now.

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2013 6:10 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] No gadgets in Win8?

On my old horse (Win7) I liked to have a few Gadgets installed. Now on my
new Win8 laptop I can't seem to find them. I liked having the weather and
the performance monitor. Are they there and it's simply that I cannot locate
them, or are they gone?

--
Arthur
Cell: 647.710.1314

Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
  -- Niels Bohr
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From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Thu Aug  1 14:33:28 2013
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2013 23:33:28 +0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?Uninstall_a_program_in_Windows_8?=
In-Reply-To: <96A0F95115B343D5B9767DFC0A8A9BC0@HAL9007>
References: <CAEPJO1hZBTGR5zBDLCcikN+K76aqECsf+gZ4R4sxoSFw9EDvVg@mail.gmail.com>
	<1375365493.621008600@f369.mail.ru>
	<96A0F95115B343D5B9767DFC0A8A9BC0@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <1375385608.703482081@f99.i.mail.ru>

 >?Hear, hear!! ...
Yes! :)

-- Shamil

Thursday, August  1, 2013 7:18 AM -07:00 from "Rocky Smolin" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>:
>Hear, hear!! Props to the business app developers (just because I are one)
>who daily do battle with users who either don't know what they really want
>until you write it and they see and then figure it out, or users who know
>exactly what they want and call you every day to tell you how 'exactly what
>they want' today differs from what they wanted yesterday.  Which you need to
>not charge them for. 
>
>Rocky
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From:  dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov
>Shamil
>Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2013 6:58 AM
>To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Uninstall a program in Windows 8
>
>?Hi Arthur --
>
>Well, I did develop a few compilers/translators/interpreters in the past
>(quite some time ago and processing simpler than Clipper's programming
>language instructions/directives) and they were successfully used by my
>colleagues and customers and I didn't use other compilers to developer that
>compilers I have used assemblers and linkers :)
>
>Just wanted to note that I'd not differentiate "real" and "fake" programmers
>by their ability to write compilers ?- IMO developing business applications
>is often a way more complicated that writing compilers as compilers do have
>strictly defined and relatively stable "rules of the game" (source language
>formal syntax and semantics) and projects' budgets, and modern business
>applications do have constantly changing specs, which require special
>skills/experience from their programmers/developers to keep business
>applications up-to-date with subject area business rules, in context of
>projects' tight budgets and deadlines...
>
>-- Shamil
>
>Thursday, August  1, 2013 9:01 AM -04:00 from Arthur Fuller
>< fuller.artful at gmail.com >:
>>As my old friend Brian Russell (creator of Clipper) likes to say, "real 
>>programmers don't use compilers, they write compilers."
>>
>>Arthur
>> <<< skipped >>>

From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Aug  1 19:06:21 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2013 18:06:21 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Happy birthday, Windows NT 3.1
In-Reply-To: <1375365493.621008600@f369.mail.ru>
Message-ID: <1126089838.20431362.1375401981805.JavaMail.root@cds002>

Twenty years of the NT engine. Even Windows 8 uses NT 6.2.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/08/01/windows_nt_anniversary/

Jim

From kathryn at bassett.net  Thu Aug  1 20:22:03 2013
From: kathryn at bassett.net (Kathryn Bassett)
Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2013 18:22:03 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] No gadgets in Win8?
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1gd8ykkS1emm0EgVropE73+nrY8fqYJE6DqDHTAqGVgQQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1gd8ykkS1emm0EgVropE73+nrY8fqYJE6DqDHTAqGVgQQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAOIeTr63sZ5Ipryv+TZ45YcCiQAAEAAAAGw6zy1UaCREtvn5Cdmcwn4BAAAAAA==@bassett.net>

You can get them back (and make Win8 look like Win7) by installing
http://www.stardock.com/products/start8 and http://8gadgetpack.net 


--
Kathryn Rhinehart Bassett (Pasadena CA)
"Genealogy is my bag" "GH is my soap"
kathryn at bassett.net
http://bassett.net?? 




> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-
> bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
> Sent: 01 Aug 2013 4:10 AM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: [dba-Tech] No gadgets in Win8?
> 
> On my old horse (Win7) I liked to have a few Gadgets installed. Now on my
> new Win8 laptop I can't seem to find them. I liked having the weather and
> the performance monitor. Are they there and it's simply that I cannot
locate
> them, or are they gone?
> 
> --
> Arthur
> Cell: 647.710.1314
> 
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Aug  1 20:59:13 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2013 19:59:13 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] The Ubuntu Edge
In-Reply-To: <1375365493.621008600@f369.mail.ru>
Message-ID: <1339005211.20502507.1375408753112.JavaMail.root@cds002>

The company Canonical is fund raising for its new Ubuntu super smartphone. 

It is using Kickstarter as a fund raiser and its committed funders have already raised almost eight million, in the first week of the one month campaign. This campaign has already far surpassed all other Kickstarter's group funded projects and if it reaches its funding goals it will be unlikely any project will ever again meet that level.

The phone will have multiple processors, at least 4GB of OS RAM and 128GB of storage and it dual boots. It supports all major 4G protocols so it will be able to be used in Europe or the USA without issues. Its battery will use Silicon Anode technology (I had never heard of this type of battery before but it is supposed to be the real deal: http://www.nexeon.co.uk/) Its case is single metal piece with Sapphire Crystal glass, its camera will support the highest level of colour accuracy and dynamic range. The phone is designed to be docked/plugged in and then it will be able to used as if it is a regular PC.

Sorry but the highest level of donations has already sold out.

http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/ubuntu-edge

To view just the video see the following: 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=eQLe3iIMN7k#at=253

Jim

From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Aug  2 18:56:07 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2013 17:56:07 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] BitTorrent Sync
In-Reply-To: <1375365493.621008600@f369.mail.ru>
Message-ID: <1344103880.21311472.1375487767499.JavaMail.root@cds002>

Hi All:

The new BitTorrent Sync application runs on all major platforms and a few Smartphone OSs. Its data transfer speed is unsurpassed, it can transfer any size file or quantity...only limited by the destination resources and adds full 20 character AES encryption if required.

http://labs.bittorrent.com/experiments/sync.html

1. Features syncs through mutiple stations symaltaneously and is muti-threas driven so it is very fast...it can sync at ten times the speed as just copying or backing up.
2. Does versioning on file changes depending on the config file settings.
3. Syncs accross the internet but the UNC or IP address must be static.
4. Syncs from server, to stations, to smart phones.
5. Provides a 20 character encryption key for security (Encrypting can be turned off if speed is an issue and/or it is safe to do so.) It has public keys, private keys and single use, time sensitive keys 
6. No external server is required.
7. It can replace all of the Cloud, DropBox, Cubby and the like if only file synchronization is the requirement.

How to install it on Windows: 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=feQdjDb1xCQ

How to install in on Ubuntu 13.04: 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nz4cWCRdOj4

How to setup BitTorrent Sync as a service on a Windows server/client:
http://forum.bittorrent.com/topic/18326-start-sync-as-service-on-windows/

How to setup BitTorrent Sync as a service on a Linux server/client
http://nickology.com/2013/05/06/bitorrent/

How to setup BitTorrent Sync as a service on a Mac/iPhone along with how to find and edit the config file:
http://btsync.s3-website-us-east-1.amazonaws.com/BitTorrentSyncUserGuide.pdf

Most configurations can be setup in the Advanced preferences but for even finer setting the configurations can be edited manually. See the section called Con?g ?le.

There are a number of web based snippet so you can add BTS into your web sites:
http://labs.bittorrent.com/developers/torque/code-snippets.html

Note that BitTorrent Sync is still in beta and changes and improvements are appearing within days of each other.

Jim


From Gustav at cactus.dk  Sat Aug  3 03:12:32 2013
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sat, 03 Aug 2013 10:12:32 +0200
Subject: [dba-Tech] W7 in 2GB RAM
Message-ID: <s1fcd7b1.036@cactus.dk>

Hi Rocky et al

VLC, not to mention Media Player, would play any video on this machine.
But today I found BS Player:

  http://www.bsplayer.com

and it will, both mov- and mp4-files. Not 100% perfectly but perhaps 99% and with absolutely viewable quality at 1920 x 1080. CPU usage is about 64%.

A free version is for download, but be a bit careful because the page is loaded with links to crapware. The paid version is quite cheap though.

/gustav


>>> Gustav at cactus.dk 28-07-13 8:13 >>>
Hi Rocky

I have an old HP Pavilion zd8000 with Pentium 4 at 3 GHz and 2 GB of ram.
Actually, it was given a second life when I installed Win7 to replace the WinXP Home that came with it. Runs with Windows Experience at 3.7 limited by the 3D graphics. Processor is 3.9, and Aero and disk is 4.0.

WiFi connections is now a snap, and it can fall to sleep and open again in rather short time which is very practical with a laptop.

But graphics is limited. Don't expect to play video as most of the old onboard chips are outdated. Even drivers can be difficult to obtain. A had to cheet to get this old ATI Mobility Radeon X600 flying but it doesn't support the newer version of DirectX. Also Java feels a bit slow.

/gustav

>>> rockysmolin at bchacc.com 28-07-13 1:37 >>>
Can you run W7 in 2GB RAM?  I have a Dell Dimension 3100 - has a P$ at 3+GHz
but which maxes out at 2GB.  Running WXP.  Will it run unacceptable slowly
with only 2GB RAM?
 
TIA
 
Rocky


From Gustav at cactus.dk  Sat Aug  3 03:34:16 2013
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sat, 03 Aug 2013 10:34:16 +0200
Subject: [dba-Tech] W7 in 2GB RAM
Message-ID: <s1fcdcbd.038@cactus.dk>

Oops. It should of course read:

VLC, not to mention Media Player, would NOT play any video on this machine.



From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Sat Aug  3 09:08:57 2013
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Sat, 03 Aug 2013 10:08:57 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Finding CTRL+BREAK
Message-ID: <51FD0EF9.50002@torchlake.com>

Hi,

On a laptop keyboard, how do I do the old CTRL+BREAK?  Yeah, I needed to 
interrupt a query that wasn't working right and headed for the old 
fail-safe key combo, and got stumped.

There is a PrntScrn key.  It also has SysReq on it, that presumably is 
activated via the Fn key.  But CTRL+Fn+PrntScrn did not produce a 
CTRL+BREAK response.  What am I doing wrong?

I got out of the situation with CTRL+ALT+DEL to launch Task Manager and 
just ended the process.  But, where do I find my old stand-by?

This is a Dell Vostro 3500 running Win7 Pro 32-bit.

Thanks for your help.

TNF

-- 
Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
231-322-2787


From jbartow at winhaven.net  Sat Aug  3 09:29:18 2013
From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow)
Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2013 09:29:18 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Basic4android Enterprisefor PC
Message-ID: <014f01ce9055$d72725d0$85757170$@winhaven.net>

? off for those interested:

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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Sat Aug  3 10:12:53 2013
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2013 08:12:53 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Basic4android Enterprisefor PC
In-Reply-To: <014f01ce9055$d72725d0$85757170$@winhaven.net>
References: <014f01ce9055$d72725d0$85757170$@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <43D746C27BDB4E3894651C0AC416C6D8@HAL9007>

If I wanted to explore creating android apps would you say this is on top of
the 10 ten list of Android development products?

R
 

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sat Aug  3 10:39:14 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2013 09:39:14 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] W7 in 2GB RAM
In-Reply-To: <s1fcdcbd.038@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <1344144220.21631245.1375544354708.JavaMail.root@cds002>

Hi Gustav and Rocky:

Are you saying the VLC and media player will not play on a computer with only 2GB of RAM that has Windows7?

(You might be correct but I have never experienced a Windows computer that will not run media player or any computer that will not run VLC.) 

Here is a link to an application, that comes from Microsoft originally I believe, that is designed to update ATI drivers: http://www.hardwareheaven.com/modtool.php and the ATI Mobility Radeon X600 card is in the driver list. I ran across this site a few years ago but it took a while to re-find it. This should help.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <Gustav at cactus.dk>
To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
Sent: Saturday, August 3, 2013 1:34:16 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] W7 in 2GB RAM

Oops. It should of course read:

VLC, not to mention Media Player, would NOT play any video on this machine.


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From peter.brawley at earthlink.net  Sat Aug  3 11:08:32 2013
From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley)
Date: Sat, 03 Aug 2013 11:08:32 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] W7 in 2GB RAM
In-Reply-To: <1344144220.21631245.1375544354708.JavaMail.root@cds002>
References: <1344144220.21631245.1375544354708.JavaMail.root@cds002>
Message-ID: <51FD2B00.8090201@earthlink.net>

On 2013-08-03 10:39 AM, Jim Lawrence wrote:
> Hi Gustav and Rocky:
>
> Are you saying the VLC and media player will not play on a computer with only 2GB of RAM that has Windows7?

Dunno if he meant that, but if he did, it ain't so----I have an old Dell 
2GB WinXP laptop that has played (with VLC) and rips (with Media Monkey, 
DVD Shrink 3.2 and HandBrake) any & all audio & video ever thrown at it.

PB

-----
>
> (You might be correct but I have never experienced a Windows computer that will not run media player or any computer that will not run VLC.)
>
> Here is a link to an application, that comes from Microsoft originally I believe, that is designed to update ATI drivers: http://www.hardwareheaven.com/modtool.php and the ATI Mobility Radeon X600 card is in the driver list. I ran across this site a few years ago but it took a while to re-find it. This should help.
>
> Jim
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gustav Brock" <Gustav at cactus.dk>
> To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
> Sent: Saturday, August 3, 2013 1:34:16 AM
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] W7 in 2GB RAM
>
> Oops. It should of course read:
>
> VLC, not to mention Media Player, would NOT play any video on this machine.
>
>
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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Sat Aug  3 11:18:25 2013
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sat, 03 Aug 2013 18:18:25 +0200
Subject: [dba-Tech] W7 in 2GB RAM
Message-ID: <s1fd498a.039@cactus.dk>

Hi Jim

No, the limitation is the "mobile" graphics hardware, not the 2 GB. No driver was available for Win7, but I found a driver for Vista and the CL 95951 chip. With this, I could modify the inf file to contain:

"ATI MOBILITY RADEON X600" = ati2mtag_RV380, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_3150&SUBSYS_3082103C

which made it believe that it was compatible with the hardware.

/gustav

>>> accessd at shaw.ca 03-08-13 17:39 >>>
Hi Gustav and Rocky:

Are you saying the VLC and media player will not play on a computer with only 2GB of RAM that has Windows7?

(You might be correct but I have never experienced a Windows computer that will not run media player or any computer that will not run VLC.) 

Here is a link to an application, that comes from Microsoft originally I believe, that is designed to update ATI drivers: http://www.hardwareheaven.com/modtool.php and the ATI Mobility Radeon X600 card is in the driver list. I ran across this site a few years ago but it took a while to re-find it. This should help.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <Gustav at cactus.dk>
To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
Sent: Saturday, August 3, 2013 1:34:16 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] W7 in 2GB RAM

Oops. It should of course read:

VLC, not to mention Media Player, would NOT play any video on this machine.


From accessd at shaw.ca  Sat Aug  3 11:37:11 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2013 10:37:11 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Basic4android Enterprisefor PC
In-Reply-To: <014f01ce9055$d72725d0$85757170$@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <2071187186.21668629.1375547831716.JavaMail.root@cds002>

Hi John:

It sure seems like an interesting product and it might be a good place to start if you are wondering if you should make some smartphone apps.

Jim

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To: "DBA-Tech" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 3, 2013 7:29:18 AM
Subject: [dba-Tech] Basic4android Enterprisefor PC

? off for those interested:

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From jbartow at winhaven.net  Sat Aug  3 11:59:38 2013
From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow)
Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2013 11:59:38 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Basic4android Enterprisefor PC
In-Reply-To: <43D746C27BDB4E3894651C0AC416C6D8@HAL9007>
References: <014f01ce9055$d72725d0$85757170$@winhaven.net>
	<43D746C27BDB4E3894651C0AC416C6D8@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <017401ce906a$d77909d0$866b1d70$@winhaven.net>

I haven't used it. IIRC Stuart recommended it a while back.

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2013 10:13 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Basic4android Enterprisefor PC

If I wanted to explore creating android apps would you say this is on top of
the 10 ten list of Android development products?

R
 

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Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2013 7:29 AM
To: DBA-Tech
Subject: [dba-Tech] Basic4android Enterprisefor PC

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sat Aug  3 12:15:20 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2013 11:15:20 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] W7 in 2GB RAM
In-Reply-To: <s1fd498a.039@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <712881081.21694655.1375550120149.JavaMail.root@cds002>

Hi Gustav:

You could be right but according to the article a lot of the video driver issues were not specifically the video card's capabilities but rather patent/OEM issues related to all the ATI video cards. According to one article I read using the mobility modder to update the drivers on the ATI series, it will even allow Window8 capability. In the accompanying link, at the bottom half of the article are a full set of instructions on the installation process.

Does your fix allow the media player and VLC player to work?

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <Gustav at cactus.dk>
To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
Sent: Saturday, August 3, 2013 9:18:25 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] W7 in 2GB RAM

Hi Jim

No, the limitation is the "mobile" graphics hardware, not the 2 GB. No driver was available for Win7, but I found a driver for Vista and the CL 95951 chip. With this, I could modify the inf file to contain:

"ATI MOBILITY RADEON X600" = ati2mtag_RV380, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_3150&SUBSYS_3082103C

which made it believe that it was compatible with the hardware.

/gustav

>>> accessd at shaw.ca 03-08-13 17:39 >>>
Hi Gustav and Rocky:

Are you saying the VLC and media player will not play on a computer with only 2GB of RAM that has Windows7?

(You might be correct but I have never experienced a Windows computer that will not run media player or any computer that will not run VLC.) 

Here is a link to an application, that comes from Microsoft originally I believe, that is designed to update ATI drivers: http://www.hardwareheaven.com/modtool.php and the ATI Mobility Radeon X600 card is in the driver list. I ran across this site a few years ago but it took a while to re-find it. This should help.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <Gustav at cactus.dk>
To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
Sent: Saturday, August 3, 2013 1:34:16 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] W7 in 2GB RAM

Oops. It should of course read:

VLC, not to mention Media Player, would NOT play any video on this machine.

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sat Aug  3 12:18:25 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2013 11:18:25 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Basic4android Enterprisefor PC
In-Reply-To: <017401ce906a$d77909d0$866b1d70$@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <1151841255.21697053.1375550305100.JavaMail.root@cds002>

Hi John:

So what does Stuart say about it...does he have it; has he used it?

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "John R Bartow" <jbartow at winhaven.net>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 3, 2013 9:59:38 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Basic4android Enterprisefor PC

I haven't used it. IIRC Stuart recommended it a while back.

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2013 10:13 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Basic4android Enterprisefor PC

If I wanted to explore creating android apps would you say this is on top of
the 10 ten list of Android development products?

R
 

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Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2013 7:29 AM
To: DBA-Tech
Subject: [dba-Tech] Basic4android Enterprisefor PC

? off for those interested:

http://www.bitsdujour.com/software/basic4android-enterprise/src=day?utm_camp
aign=2789190
<http://www.bitsdujour.com/software/basic4android-enterprise/src=day?utm_cam
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From jbartow at winhaven.net  Sat Aug  3 12:59:38 2013
From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow)
Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2013 12:59:38 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Basic4android Enterprisefor PC
In-Reply-To: <1151841255.21697053.1375550305100.JavaMail.root@cds002>
References: <017401ce906a$d77909d0$866b1d70$@winhaven.net>
	<1151841255.21697053.1375550305100.JavaMail.root@cds002>
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I don't remember. If you have any dba-tech email archived you may find his post. Otherwise I'm sure he'll chime in here when the world spins to his direction. :-)

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2013 12:18 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Basic4android Enterprisefor PC

Hi John:

So what does Stuart say about it...does he have it; has he used it?

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "John R Bartow" <jbartow at winhaven.net>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 3, 2013 9:59:38 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Basic4android Enterprisefor PC

I haven't used it. IIRC Stuart recommended it a while back.

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2013 10:13 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Basic4android Enterprisefor PC

If I wanted to explore creating android apps would you say this is on top of the 10 ten list of Android development products?

R
 

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Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2013 7:29 AM
To: DBA-Tech
Subject: [dba-Tech] Basic4android Enterprisefor PC

? off for those interested:

http://www.bitsdujour.com/software/basic4android-enterprise/src=day?utm_camp
aign=2789190
<http://www.bitsdujour.com/software/basic4android-enterprise/src=day?utm_cam
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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Sat Aug  3 13:13:30 2013
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sat, 03 Aug 2013 20:13:30 +0200
Subject: [dba-Tech] W7 in 2GB RAM
Message-ID: <s1fd6482.040@cactus.dk>

Hi Jim

Sorry, I didn't go to page and read the stuff.
However, when I do, I can find an advice like this:

---
Re: Ati Mobility Radeon X600 & Windows 7 
You have to copy your hardware IDs and such for the appropriate driver to install and detect correctly...
Match it up with the INF files by modifying them and finding the right string and adding the hardware id itself.
---

That's what I did manually, and it looks like what the modder does. So I don't think I will spend more time on this.

The main issue now is that this chip doesn't support the latest DirectX, and as the driver is the latest for Vista, 02/10/2010, 8.593.100.0000, I guess this will not happen.

Neither VLC nor Media Player (nor Zune) will play HD video, but as the BS Player will, I can manage.
This laptop is a dual core Pentium IV mobile anyway, so it is for secondary use only. Main advantage is a great 17" screen, but it is heavy and draws much power.

/gustav


>>> accessd at shaw.ca 03-08-13 19:15 >>>
Hi Gustav:

You could be right but according to the article a lot of the video driver issues were not specifically the video card's capabilities but rather patent/OEM issues related to all the ATI video cards. According to one article I read using the mobility modder to update the drivers on the ATI series, it will even allow Window8 capability. In the accompanying link, at the bottom half of the article are a full set of instructions on the installation process.

Does your fix allow the media player and VLC player to work?

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <Gustav at cactus.dk>
To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
Sent: Saturday, August 3, 2013 9:18:25 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] W7 in 2GB RAM

Hi Jim

No, the limitation is the "mobile" graphics hardware, not the 2 GB. No driver was available for Win7, but I found a driver for Vista and the CL 95951 chip. With this, I could modify the inf file to contain:

"ATI MOBILITY RADEON X600" = ati2mtag_RV380, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_3150&SUBSYS_3082103C

which made it believe that it was compatible with the hardware.

/gustav

>>> accessd at shaw.ca 03-08-13 17:39 >>>
Hi Gustav and Rocky:

Are you saying the VLC and media player will not play on a computer with only 2GB of RAM that has Windows7?

(You might be correct but I have never experienced a Windows computer that will not run media player or any computer that will not run VLC.) 

Here is a link to an application, that comes from Microsoft originally I believe, that is designed to update ATI drivers: http://www.hardwareheaven.com/modtool.php and the ATI Mobility Radeon X600 card is in the driver list. I ran across this site a few years ago but it took a while to re-find it. This should help.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <Gustav at cactus.dk>
To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
Sent: Saturday, August 3, 2013 1:34:16 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] W7 in 2GB RAM

Oops. It should of course read:

VLC, not to mention Media Player, would NOT play any video on this machine.


From Gustav at cactus.dk  Sat Aug  3 13:18:53 2013
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sat, 03 Aug 2013 20:18:53 +0200
Subject: [dba-Tech] Basic4android Enterprisefor PC
Message-ID: <s1fd65cc.041@cactus.dk>

Stuart may be on vacation, so I picked the old mail:

Hi Tony, 
The cost to develop an app obviously depends on what sort of an app it it. You get a lot of 
development for $25K :-) 
The data collection you describe is exactly the sort of thing I am working on. 
If you are familiar with the concept of VBA and object properties and methods, you will find 
B4A easy to pick up: 
A Form is a Actvitiy, a Control is a View. 
You place Views on Actvities in a visual designer and then B4A creates a Layout file and 
module with various empty event Subs where you then put your logic. 
Here's the complete source for the first app in the Beginners Guide (a simple math test 
program). As an experienced VBA programmer, you'll have no problem making sense of it. 
(Note that several of the subs are not used, but were created automatically by B4A) 
'Activity module 
Sub Process_Globals 
'These global variables will be declared once when the application starts. 
'These variables can be accessed from all modules. 
End Sub 
Sub Globals 
'These global variables will be redeclared each time the activity is created. 
'These variables can only be accessed from this module. 
Dim btnAction As Button 
Dim edtResult As EditText 
Dim lblComments As Label 
Dim lblMathSign As Label 
Dim lblNumber1 As Label 
Dim lblNumber2 As Label 
Dim Number1, Number2 As Int 
End Sub 
Sub Activity_Create(FirstTime As Boolean) 
Activity.LoadLayout("Main") 
New 
End Sub 
Sub Activity_Resume 
End Sub 
Sub Activity_Pause (UserClosed As Boolean) 
End Sub 
Sub btnAction_Click 
If btnAction.Text = "O K" Then 
If edtResult.Text="" Then 
Msgbox("No result entered","E R R O R") 
Else 
CheckResult 
End If 
Else 
New 
btnAction.Text = "O K" 
End If 
End Sub 
Sub New 
Number1 = Rnd(1, 10) ' Generates a random number between 1 and 9 
Number2 = Rnd(1, 10) ' Generates a random number between 1 and 9 
lblNumber1.Text = Number1 ' Displays Number1 in label lblNumber1 
lblNumber2.Text = Number2 ' Displays Number2 in label lblNumber2 
lblComments.Text = "Enter the result" & CRLF & "and click on OK" 
edtResult.Text = "" ' Sets edtResult.Text to empty 
End Sub 
Sub CheckResult 
If edtResult.Text = Number1 + Number2 Then 
lblComments.Text = "G O O D result" & CRLF & "Click on NEW" 
btnAction.Text = "N E W" 
Else 
lblComments.Text = "W R O N G result" & CRLF & "Enter a new result" & CRLF & "and click 
OK" 
End If 
End Sub 
Data collection is easy to do. Android comes with an SQLite engine built in. So all you need 
to do is create a database with the necessary tables, Dim and instantiate a SQL object, build 
appropriate SQL strings where required and then use commands such as 
SQL1.ExecNonQuery(steUpdateQry) etc. 
There are lots of ways to get data between the SQLite database and Access. I have written a 
PowerBasic application to do it, but for want of any other way, you could just write routines to 
generate/import delimited text files on either side. 
The trial version is free to download. If you have a suitable android device available, give it a 
try. 
On 23 Sep 2012 at 11:12, Tony Septav wrote: 
> Hey Stuart 
> 
> I need a review on Basic4Android. I read an interesting article in my local 
> newspaper on the cost of developing Apps for IP and Android phone/pads. The 
> basics of the article was it is expensive for the developer to design an App 
> and then hope to sell 1,000s of the product to reap a profit. The article 
> said in general it cost about $25,000 to develop the App. This would be 
> prohibitive to sell to a single institution or business. In the past I have 
> designed many applications for clients to collect data in the field using 
> PALM and Pocket PCs and allowing them the ability to transfer that data to 
> an ACCESS application. I am thinking of designing customized data collection 
> Apps (no fluff or flair) for clients at a reasonable price (using basically 
> the same concept as the PALM and Pocket PC) and allowing the transfer of the 
> information to an ACCESS application. Is this idea applicable to 
> Basc4Android programming? I am not a VB programmer but rather a VBA 
> programmer. If this is possible? If so it may mean opportunities for other 
> developers to source in this community. 

/gustav

>>> jbartow at winhaven.net 01-01-70 1:00 >>>
I don't remember. If you have any dba-tech email archived you may find his post. Otherwise I'm sure he'll chime in here when the world spins to his direction. :-)


From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sat Aug  3 16:20:49 2013
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sun, 04 Aug 2013 07:20:49 +1000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Basic4android Enterprisefor PC
In-Reply-To: <43D746C27BDB4E3894651C0AC416C6D8@HAL9007>
References: <014f01ce9055$d72725d0$85757170$@winhaven.net>,
	<43D746C27BDB4E3894651C0AC416C6D8@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <51FD7431.16471.73FDA9B7@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

It is for me.  After looking around at a few, It's what I settled on for Android apps.

It lets you leverage your Basic/VBA skills nicely.   And combined with Android's built in 
SQLite, it is fairly easy to build data based apps in it.

-- 
Stuart

On 3 Aug 2013 at 8:12, Rocky Smolin wrote:

> If I wanted to explore creating android apps would you say this is on top of
> the 10 ten list of Android development products?
> 
> R
>  
> 
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John R Bartow
> Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2013 7:29 AM
> To: DBA-Tech
> Subject: [dba-Tech] Basic4android Enterprisefor PC
> 
> ? off for those interested:
> 
> http://www.bitsdujour.com/software/basic4android-enterprise/src=day?utm_camp
> aign=2789190
> <http://www.bitsdujour.com/software/basic4android-enterprise/src=day?utm_cam
> paign=2789190&utm_content=4867933023&utm_medium=email&utm_source=Emailvision
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>  
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From marklbreen at gmail.com  Sun Aug  4 06:24:03 2013
From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen)
Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2013 12:24:03 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Finding CTRL+BREAK
In-Reply-To: <51FD0EF9.50002@torchlake.com>
References: <51FD0EF9.50002@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <CAGXtTCiA5orW3Nt99arWG_0RPz+nCkq_F0tbmxEdQgCMDGhwHg@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Tina

Can I add another question to your question?  Where is the Right Menu
button ?  I have the same smaller foot print keyboard and I really mis the
right click menu key?




On 3 August 2013 15:08, Tina Norris Fields <tinanfields at torchlake.com>wrote:

> Hi,
>
> On a laptop keyboard, how do I do the old CTRL+BREAK?  Yeah, I needed to
> interrupt a query that wasn't working right and headed for the old
> fail-safe key combo, and got stumped.
>
> There is a PrntScrn key.  It also has SysReq on it, that presumably is
> activated via the Fn key.  But CTRL+Fn+PrntScrn did not produce a
> CTRL+BREAK response.  What am I doing wrong?
>
> I got out of the situation with CTRL+ALT+DEL to launch Task Manager and
> just ended the process.  But, where do I find my old stand-by?
>
> This is a Dell Vostro 3500 running Win7 Pro 32-bit.
>
> Thanks for your help.
>
> TNF
>
> --
> Tina Norris Fields
> tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-**com
> 231-322-2787
>
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From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Sun Aug  4 10:13:04 2013
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Sun, 04 Aug 2013 11:13:04 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Finding CTRL+BREAK
In-Reply-To: <CAGXtTCiA5orW3Nt99arWG_0RPz+nCkq_F0tbmxEdQgCMDGhwHg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <51FD0EF9.50002@torchlake.com>
	<CAGXtTCiA5orW3Nt99arWG_0RPz+nCkq_F0tbmxEdQgCMDGhwHg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <51FE6F80.90109@torchlake.com>

Hi Mark,

My keyboard does have the menu key to the right of the SPACE, ALT and 
CTRL keys.  So, I'm no help with your question, but here's hoping 
someone will know.

TNF

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
231-322-2787

On 8/4/2013 7:24 AM, Mark Breen wrote:
> Hello Tina
>
> Can I add another question to your question?  Where is the Right Menu
> button ?  I have the same smaller foot print keyboard and I really mis the
> right click menu key?
>
>
>
>
> On 3 August 2013 15:08, Tina Norris Fields <tinanfields at torchlake.com>wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> On a laptop keyboard, how do I do the old CTRL+BREAK?  Yeah, I needed to
>> interrupt a query that wasn't working right and headed for the old
>> fail-safe key combo, and got stumped.
>>
>> There is a PrntScrn key.  It also has SysReq on it, that presumably is
>> activated via the Fn key.  But CTRL+Fn+PrntScrn did not produce a
>> CTRL+BREAK response.  What am I doing wrong?
>>
>> I got out of the situation with CTRL+ALT+DEL to launch Task Manager and
>> just ended the process.  But, where do I find my old stand-by?
>>
>> This is a Dell Vostro 3500 running Win7 Pro 32-bit.
>>
>> Thanks for your help.
>>
>> TNF
>>
>> --
>> Tina Norris Fields
>> tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-**com
>> 231-322-2787
>>
>> ______________________________**_________________
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sun Aug  4 16:52:56 2013
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Mon, 05 Aug 2013 07:52:56 +1000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Finding CTRL+BREAK
In-Reply-To: <51FE6F80.90109@torchlake.com>
References: <51FD0EF9.50002@torchlake.com>,
	<CAGXtTCiA5orW3Nt99arWG_0RPz+nCkq_F0tbmxEdQgCMDGhwHg@mail.gmail.com>,
	<51FE6F80.90109@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <51FECD38.24100.79414BFA@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Shift+F10 ?

On 4 Aug 2013 at 11:13, Tina Norris Fields wrote:

> Hi Mark,
> 
> My keyboard does have the menu key to the right of the SPACE, ALT and 
> CTRL keys.  So, I'm no help with your question, but here's hoping 
> someone will know.
> 
> TNF
> 
> Tina Norris Fields
> tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
> 231-322-2787
> 
> On 8/4/2013 7:24 AM, Mark Breen wrote:
> > Hello Tina
> >
> > Can I add another question to your question?  Where is the Right Menu
> > button ?  I have the same smaller foot print keyboard and I really mis the
> > right click menu key?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 3 August 2013 15:08, Tina Norris Fields <tinanfields at torchlake.com>wrote:
> >
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> On a laptop keyboard, how do I do the old CTRL+BREAK?  Yeah, I needed to
> >> interrupt a query that wasn't working right and headed for the old
> >> fail-safe key combo, and got stumped.
> >>
> >> There is a PrntScrn key.  It also has SysReq on it, that presumably is
> >> activated via the Fn key.  But CTRL+Fn+PrntScrn did not produce a
> >> CTRL+BREAK response.  What am I doing wrong?
> >>
> >> I got out of the situation with CTRL+ALT+DEL to launch Task Manager and
> >> just ended the process.  But, where do I find my old stand-by?
> >>
> >> This is a Dell Vostro 3500 running Win7 Pro 32-bit.
> >>
> >> Thanks for your help.
> >>
> >> TNF
> >>
> >> --
> >> Tina Norris Fields
> >> tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-**com
> >> 231-322-2787
> >>
> >> ______________________________**_________________
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Mon Aug  5 09:27:44 2013
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2013 10:27:44 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Dual Monitors on Windows 8
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1heGhcSw14RE+6zOh4orkP7d--eDOwrz1bKZXazJqHDzg@mail.gmail.com>

I have a new laptop (Dell Inspiron 64-bit, 8GB RAM, 1TB hard disk, Windows
8) to which I have an Acer external monitor attached. That part works fine,
but I get the same image on both screens, and that's not what I want. I
want the two screens to behave separately, so that for example I could run
Access and have the app running on one screen and the code windows on the
other.

Can anyone tell me how to set this up?

Thanks in advance

-- 
Arthur
Cell: 647.710.1314

Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
  -- Niels Bohr

From df.waters at comcast.net  Mon Aug  5 10:53:36 2013
From: df.waters at comcast.net (Dan Waters)
Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2013 10:53:36 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Dual Monitors on Windows 8
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1heGhcSw14RE+6zOh4orkP7d--eDOwrz1bKZXazJqHDzg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1heGhcSw14RE+6zOh4orkP7d--eDOwrz1bKZXazJqHDzg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001f01ce91f3$f26a8270$d73f8750$@comcast.net>

Hi Arthur,

>From a recent post:

Hold down the Windows key and press P.  Then select Extend.

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Monday, August 05, 2013 9:28 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] Dual Monitors on Windows 8

I have a new laptop (Dell Inspiron 64-bit, 8GB RAM, 1TB hard disk, Windows
8) to which I have an Acer external monitor attached. That part works fine,
but I get the same image on both screens, and that's not what I want. I want
the two screens to behave separately, so that for example I could run Access
and have the app running on one screen and the code windows on the other.

Can anyone tell me how to set this up?

Thanks in advance

--
Arthur
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From bill_patten at embarqmail.com  Mon Aug  5 11:23:07 2013
From: bill_patten at embarqmail.com (Bill Patten)
Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2013 09:23:07 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Dual Monitors on Windows 8
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1heGhcSw14RE+6zOh4orkP7d--eDOwrz1bKZXazJqHDzg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1heGhcSw14RE+6zOh4orkP7d--eDOwrz1bKZXazJqHDzg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <38F92DF012CF45C5B3AF1C5A947A8FEE@BPCS>

Right click on the desktop, select screen resolution and then on multiple 
displays select extend.

Bill

-----Original Message----- 
From: Arthur Fuller
Sent: Monday, August 05, 2013 7:27 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] Dual Monitors on Windows 8

I have a new laptop (Dell Inspiron 64-bit, 8GB RAM, 1TB hard disk, Windows
8) to which I have an Acer external monitor attached. That part works fine,
but I get the same image on both screens, and that's not what I want. I
want the two screens to behave separately, so that for example I could run
Access and have the app running on one screen and the code windows on the
other.

Can anyone tell me how to set this up?

Thanks in advance

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From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Mon Aug  5 11:36:03 2013
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Mon, 05 Aug 2013 12:36:03 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Finding CTRL+BREAK
In-Reply-To: <51FECD38.24100.79414BFA@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <51FD0EF9.50002@torchlake.com>,
	<CAGXtTCiA5orW3Nt99arWG_0RPz+nCkq_F0tbmxEdQgCMDGhwHg@mail.gmail.com>,
	<51FE6F80.90109@torchlake.com>
	<51FECD38.24100.79414BFA@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <51FFD473.3050003@torchlake.com>

Stuart,
Cool!  That worked for me for the RIGHT-CLICK menu key.  Hope it worked 
for Mark.
Now, do you have the answer for CTRL+BREAK?  I would so love to have 
that in my head.
TNF

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
231-322-2787

On 8/4/2013 5:52 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote:
> Shift+F10 ?
>
> On 4 Aug 2013 at 11:13, Tina Norris Fields wrote:
>
>> Hi Mark,
>>
>> My keyboard does have the menu key to the right of the SPACE, ALT and
>> CTRL keys.  So, I'm no help with your question, but here's hoping
>> someone will know.
>>
>> TNF
>>
>> Tina Norris Fields
>> tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
>> 231-322-2787
>>
>> On 8/4/2013 7:24 AM, Mark Breen wrote:
>>> Hello Tina
>>>
>>> Can I add another question to your question?  Where is the Right Menu
>>> button ?  I have the same smaller foot print keyboard and I really mis the
>>> right click menu key?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 3 August 2013 15:08, Tina Norris Fields <tinanfields at torchlake.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> On a laptop keyboard, how do I do the old CTRL+BREAK?  Yeah, I needed to
>>>> interrupt a query that wasn't working right and headed for the old
>>>> fail-safe key combo, and got stumped.
>>>>
>>>> There is a PrntScrn key.  It also has SysReq on it, that presumably is
>>>> activated via the Fn key.  But CTRL+Fn+PrntScrn did not produce a
>>>> CTRL+BREAK response.  What am I doing wrong?
>>>>
>>>> I got out of the situation with CTRL+ALT+DEL to launch Task Manager and
>>>> just ended the process.  But, where do I find my old stand-by?
>>>>
>>>> This is a Dell Vostro 3500 running Win7 Pro 32-bit.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for your help.
>>>>
>>>> TNF
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Tina Norris Fields
>>>> tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-**com
>>>> 231-322-2787
>>>>
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>>>>
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Mon Aug  5 11:36:13 2013
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2013 12:36:13 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Dual Monitors on Windows 8
In-Reply-To: <001f01ce91f3$f26a8270$d73f8750$@comcast.net>
References: <CAEPJO1heGhcSw14RE+6zOh4orkP7d--eDOwrz1bKZXazJqHDzg@mail.gmail.com>
	<001f01ce91f3$f26a8270$d73f8750$@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1ja7qUbPbQ1h+7-_0P_SZNbhnLriZEMZqkm8VASJ=g2KQ@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks, Dan. It worked like a charm.

Arthur


On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 11:53 AM, Dan Waters <df.waters at comcast.net> wrote:

> Hi Arthur,
>
> From a recent post:
>
> Hold down the Windows key and press P.  Then select Extend.
>
> Dan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
> Sent: Monday, August 05, 2013 9:28 AM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: [dba-Tech] Dual Monitors on Windows 8
>
> I have a new laptop (Dell Inspiron 64-bit, 8GB RAM, 1TB hard disk, Windows
> 8) to which I have an Acer external monitor attached. That part works fine,
> but I get the same image on both screens, and that's not what I want. I
> want
> the two screens to behave separately, so that for example I could run
> Access
> and have the app running on one screen and the code windows on the other.
>
> Can anyone tell me how to set this up?
>
> Thanks in advance
>
> --
> Arthur
> Cell: 647.710.1314
>
> Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
>   -- Niels Bohr
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Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Mon Aug  5 14:03:06 2013
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2013 15:03:06 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 8 command window
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1gHotRUzLVZO_1yWEWL4x29=Od8OggjV5xi1RkvRs-Czg@mail.gmail.com>

Where in Windows 8 is the command window?

TIA

-- 
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Cell: 647.710.1314

Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
  -- Niels Bohr

From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon Aug  5 14:07:00 2013
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2013 12:07:00 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 8 command window
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1gHotRUzLVZO_1yWEWL4x29=Od8OggjV5xi1RkvRs-Czg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1gHotRUzLVZO_1yWEWL4x29=Od8OggjV5xi1RkvRs-Czg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <FE0CBB5EB2974F2093EA3C38998AC041@HAL9007>

http://windows7themes.net/where-is-the-command-prompt-in-windows-8.html

Rocky
 

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Monday, August 05, 2013 12:03 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 8 command window

Where in Windows 8 is the command window?

TIA

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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Mon Aug  5 17:43:17 2013
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2013 18:43:17 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Replacing SkyDrive
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1jYCeUaGsu8qRHwWZWzWYCi35iTA6=tfMwPsGgCt+kG3A@mail.gmail.com>

I see that Microsoft has been forced to rename SkyDrive. Does this mean
that I have to install it and then find its replacement name? Or should I
just install the Google version instead? (I am running Window 8, if that
matters.)

-- 
Arthur
Cell: 647.710.1314

Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
  -- Niels Bohr

From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Mon Aug  5 19:26:35 2013
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2013 20:26:35 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Getting used to Windows 8
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1jtQagceN5BU26OdKzmVa4dOPybCGY_k4MdpcLDYH1hCQ@mail.gmail.com>

I've been living in Windows 8 pretty much exclusively since I purchased
this new laptop, and I'm growing used to it. Once you get the hang of it,
it's actually pretty cool, especially since I learned how to extend the
monitor to include the attached 23" flat-screen monitor. I must say that
8GB of RAM is a big help. Earlier today I ran VirtualBox and Ubuntu and
dragged that to my big monitor, and it worked a charm.

Apparently MS is responding to complaints, with a Windows 8;1 version.
Since I just bought this laptop recently, I wonder whether I'm entitled to
a fresh update to 8.1, or whether MS wants more money for the update.

What was really nice after installing Oracle VirtualBox and Ubuntu was the
speed of the VM. I overrode the default assignments, giving the VM more RAM
than the default (I gave it 2GB when the default was much smaller), and I
must say that it flies almost as quickly as a

What I need now is what I refer to as an Octopus. It plugs into a USB port
on one end, and spreads out into about 5 "child" USB ports -- this I think
I need because I have so many USB devices that the only way to connect them
all is this avenue.

Has anyone any experience with such an octopus? If so, does it slow you
down?

It appears that this new laptop supports USB 2.0 but one of my external
drives supports USB 3.0. What is required to upgrade the laptop to support
USB 3.0? In the case of my old late desktop it was simple: drop in a USB
card and that was that. But how to achieve the same in a laptop?

Back to the main topic: getting used to Windows 8. For us old-timers it is
a huge leap. But a few days of persistence pay off, and I am becoming
acclimatized. At the moment I have Alpha Anywhere running on the big
monitor and gmail running on the laprtop monitor. I've already tried
running Access and Alpha Anywhere similarly and it all works splendidly and
I am a very happy camper, although still a tad confused but growing used to
this new environment..

Now all I have to do is locate the last season of Breaking Bad and I'll be
the happiest camper in the world.

But I am still unable to locate how to invoke a command window. Previous
responses to this question included URLs which lead to third-party crapware
in which I despise. What I want is a traditional command window ala Win7
and previous, so I can run cmds and batch files etc. I cannot seem to find
how to do this,  At this moment, my problem is double claims on port 80,
and I need to resolve this I have been told to open a command window and
then run "netstat -o", which will list which apps are claiming which ports,
ant then change at least one of said apps to claim another port such as
3307 instead of 3306. I have no idea how to do this. At the moment, I can't
even figure out which app is claiming ownership to 3306.

I'm 65yo, semi- retired, and well past the age of rapid learning'. If you
have a suggestion for how to identify who's occupying various ports and how
to change them, I would be most grateful. This begs the question, Why don't
the various installers detect ports a;ready claimed and suggest
alternatives? IMNSHO this is illustrative of bad design. Intelligent
software should detect ports in use such as 80 or 3306 and suggest
alternatives, such as 8081 or 8080.

Is this too much to ask? I want all the software to know the occupied
ports, and then to recommend an alternative port number. For example, if
8080 is already c;laimed, the software ought to be smart enough to
recognize this, and then to suggest available uncompromrized ports.

I don't know how to resolve these conflicts, aside from the VM approach,
which  guess is OK for local experiments

-- 
Arthur
Cell: 647.710.1314

The most likely way for the world to be destroyed, most experts agree, is
by accident. That's where we come in; we're computer professionals. We
cause accidents.

-Nathaniel Borenstein<http://www.quoteland.com/author/Nathaniel-Borenstein-Quotes/63/>

From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Mon Aug  5 19:49:23 2013
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2013 10:49:23 +1000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Getting used to Windows 8
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1jtQagceN5BU26OdKzmVa4dOPybCGY_k4MdpcLDYH1hCQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1jtQagceN5BU26OdKzmVa4dOPybCGY_k4MdpcLDYH1hCQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <52004813.24527.7F09308D@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

If your laptop has an ExpressCard slot, you can get a USB3 card  for it.
Here's one example.

http://www.targus.com/us/usb3/upgrade.aspx


Mine doesn't :-(


-- 
Stuart

On 5 Aug 2013 at 20:26, Arthur Fuller wrote:
> 
> It appears that this new laptop supports USB 2.0 but one of my external
> drives supports USB 3.0. What is required to upgrade the laptop to support
> USB 3.0? In the case of my old late desktop it was simple: drop in a USB
> card and that was that. But how to achieve the same in a laptop?
> 


From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Mon Aug  5 20:07:00 2013
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2013 21:07:00 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Getting used to Windows 8
In-Reply-To: <52004813.24527.7F09308D@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <CAEPJO1jtQagceN5BU26OdKzmVa4dOPybCGY_k4MdpcLDYH1hCQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<52004813.24527.7F09308D@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1gBY-zLWzrUoqghiOPgfngiFOr01iej75DzycHrj0rHgQ@mail.gmail.com>

I don't think that my new box has one too. Can't have everything; o well.
Two of my externadrives support USB 3.0 but the new laptop stopsilitiel at
2.0/. Bummer. Is there some way to install USB 3.0 capabilities on a laptop?


On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 8:49 PM, Stuart McLachlan <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>wrote:

> If your laptop has an ExpressCard slot, you can get a USB3 card  for it.
> Here's one example.
>
> http://www.targus.com/us/usb3/upgrade.aspx
>
>
> Mine doesn't :-(
>
>
> --
> Stuart
>
> On 5 Aug 2013 at 20:26, Arthur Fuller wrote:
> >
> > It appears that this new laptop supports USB 2.0 but one of my external
> > drives supports USB 3.0. What is required to upgrade the laptop to
> support
> > USB 3.0? In the case of my old late desktop it was simple: drop in a USB
> > card and that was that. But how to achieve the same in a laptop?
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
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>



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Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
  -- Niels Bohr

From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Mon Aug  5 20:29:58 2013
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2013 11:29:58 +1000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Getting used to Windows 8
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1gBY-zLWzrUoqghiOPgfngiFOr01iej75DzycHrj0rHgQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1jtQagceN5BU26OdKzmVa4dOPybCGY_k4MdpcLDYH1hCQ@mail.gmail.com>,
	<52004813.24527.7F09308D@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>,
	<CAEPJO1gBY-zLWzrUoqghiOPgfngiFOr01iej75DzycHrj0rHgQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <52005196.1683.7F2E58B6@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Other than ExpressCard?  No.

On 5 Aug 2013 at 21:07, Arthur Fuller wrote:

> I don't think that my new box has one too. Can't have everything; o well.
> Two of my externadrives support USB 3.0 but the new laptop stopsilitiel at
> 2.0/. Bummer. Is there some way to install USB 3.0 capabilities on a laptop?
> 
> 
> On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 8:49 PM, Stuart McLachlan <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>wrote:
> 
> > If your laptop has an ExpressCard slot, you can get a USB3 card  for it.
> > Here's one example.
> >
> > http://www.targus.com/us/usb3/upgrade.aspx
> >
> >
> > Mine doesn't :-(
> >
> >
> > --
> > Stuart
> >
> > On 5 Aug 2013 at 20:26, Arthur Fuller wrote:
> > >
> > > It appears that this new laptop supports USB 2.0 but one of my external
> > > drives supports USB 3.0. What is required to upgrade the laptop to
> > support
> > > USB 3.0? In the case of my old late desktop it was simple: drop in a USB
> > > card and that was that. But how to achieve the same in a laptop?
> > >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > dba-Tech mailing list
> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Arthur
> Cell: 647.710.1314
> 
> Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
>   -- Niels Bohr
> _______________________________________________
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> 



From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Tue Aug  6 02:00:08 2013
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2013 08:00:08 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 8 command window
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1gHotRUzLVZO_1yWEWL4x29=Od8OggjV5xi1RkvRs-Czg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1gHotRUzLVZO_1yWEWL4x29=Od8OggjV5xi1RkvRs-Czg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB082959C5885CB64@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk>

Arthur

>From the web



Option 1. When you are in the Metro UI, start typing "cmd". It will automatically go in to search mode and will search for what you type
Option 2: You can open the command prompt by starting the cmd.exe in the windows system32 folder.

* Open Windows Explorer. 

* Navigate to the folder C:\Windows\System32

* Look for the application CMD.EXE and double click on it.

It will open the command prompt, which look exactly same as before!

You can double click on cmd.exe and choose "Pin to Taskbar" which will add a shortcut to the taskbar for easy access to the command prompt in future.]

Option 3: I just figured out how to open the RUN dialog in Windows 8, which can be used to open command prompt or any other applications by typing it in the RUN dialog.

To open the RUN dialog, press the Windows key and then press "R". This will open the RUN dialog for you. To open the command prompt from here, type "cmd" and press ENTER.



-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: 05 August 2013 20:03
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 8 command window

Where in Windows 8 is the command window?

TIA

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From marklbreen at gmail.com  Tue Aug  6 02:32:29 2013
From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen)
Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2013 08:32:29 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Finding CTRL+BREAK
In-Reply-To: <51FFD473.3050003@torchlake.com>
References: <51FD0EF9.50002@torchlake.com>
	<CAGXtTCiA5orW3Nt99arWG_0RPz+nCkq_F0tbmxEdQgCMDGhwHg@mail.gmail.com>
	<51FE6F80.90109@torchlake.com>
	<51FECD38.24100.79414BFA@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<51FFD473.3050003@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <CAGXtTChva5wB3k2cwgM4oYmsZ47jeiveeB_DAd+97g=LXbCg8g@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Tina and Stuart,

thank you very much.

What I hate about getting old is that I now realise that I knew that key
combination previously and then forgot it again.

Tina, will you store it and when I come around asking again in 2 months
time, you can just forward Stuarts answer to me again ;)

I hope you find the CTRL + Break

Did you see the following comments
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1722149/need-ctrlbreak-on-laptop-without-a-break-key

Mark






On 5 August 2013 17:36, Tina Norris Fields <tinanfields at torchlake.com>wrote:

> Stuart,
> Cool!  That worked for me for the RIGHT-CLICK menu key.  Hope it worked
> for Mark.
> Now, do you have the answer for CTRL+BREAK?  I would so love to have that
> in my head.
>
> TNF
>
> Tina Norris Fields
> tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-**com
> 231-322-2787
>
> On 8/4/2013 5:52 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote:
>
>> Shift+F10 ?
>>
>> On 4 Aug 2013 at 11:13, Tina Norris Fields wrote:
>>
>>  Hi Mark,
>>>
>>> My keyboard does have the menu key to the right of the SPACE, ALT and
>>> CTRL keys.  So, I'm no help with your question, but here's hoping
>>> someone will know.
>>>
>>> TNF
>>>
>>> Tina Norris Fields
>>> tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-**com
>>> 231-322-2787
>>>
>>> On 8/4/2013 7:24 AM, Mark Breen wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hello Tina
>>>>
>>>> Can I add another question to your question?  Where is the Right Menu
>>>> button ?  I have the same smaller foot print keyboard and I really mis
>>>> the
>>>> right click menu key?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 3 August 2013 15:08, Tina Norris Fields <tinanfields at torchlake.com>*
>>>> *wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> On a laptop keyboard, how do I do the old CTRL+BREAK?  Yeah, I needed
>>>>> to
>>>>> interrupt a query that wasn't working right and headed for the old
>>>>> fail-safe key combo, and got stumped.
>>>>>
>>>>> There is a PrntScrn key.  It also has SysReq on it, that presumably is
>>>>> activated via the Fn key.  But CTRL+Fn+PrntScrn did not produce a
>>>>> CTRL+BREAK response.  What am I doing wrong?
>>>>>
>>>>> I got out of the situation with CTRL+ALT+DEL to launch Task Manager and
>>>>> just ended the process.  But, where do I find my old stand-by?
>>>>>
>>>>> This is a Dell Vostro 3500 running Win7 Pro 32-bit.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for your help.
>>>>>
>>>>> TNF
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Tina Norris Fields
>>>>> tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-****com
>>>>> 231-322-2787
>>>>>
>>>>> ______________________________****_________________
>>>>> dba-Tech mailing list
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>>>>> >
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Aug  6 02:47:15 2013
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2013 09:47:15 +0200
Subject: [dba-Tech] Replacing SkyDrive
Message-ID: <001c01ce9279$2c011690$840343b0$@cactus.dk>

Hi Arthur

It will take some time, I've read, and I'm sure you'll be notified from
Microsoft how to update. I would expect it to become a part of Windows
Update with a smooth transition, so all we need to learn is the new name and
the new URL to the web access.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Arthur Fuller
Sendt: 6. august 2013 00:43
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Emne: [dba-Tech] Replacing SkyDrive

I see that Microsoft has been forced to rename SkyDrive. Does this mean that
I have to install it and then find its replacement name? Or should I just
install the Google version instead? (I am running Window 8, if that
matters.)

--
Arthur
Cell: 647.710.1314

Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
  -- Niels Bohr 



From gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Aug  6 03:31:02 2013
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2013 10:31:02 +0200
Subject: [dba-Tech] Getting used to Windows 8
Message-ID: <002401ce927f$491248c0$db36da40$@cactus.dk>

Hi Arthur

If no ExpressCard port, I think you are out of options. USB 3.0 is about
hardware, not software (except drivers, of course).

My old HP zd8000 has an ExpressCard port, and I obtained a Sandberg
ExpressCard USB 3.0 adapter, so now I can hook up a 1TB external drive and a
USB 3.0 card reader and copy between these at excellent speed. Very handy.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Arthur Fuller
Sendt: 6. august 2013 03:07
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Getting used to Windows 8

I don't think that my new box has one too. Can't have everything; o well.
Two of my externadrives support USB 3.0 but the new laptop stopsilitiel at
2.0/. Bummer. Is there some way to install USB 3.0 capabilities on a laptop?


On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 8:49 PM, Stuart McLachlan
<stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>wrote:

> If your laptop has an ExpressCard slot, you can get a USB3 card  for it.
> Here's one example.
>
> http://www.targus.com/us/usb3/upgrade.aspx
>
>
> Mine doesn't :-(
>
>
> --
> Stuart
>
> On 5 Aug 2013 at 20:26, Arthur Fuller wrote:
> >
> > It appears that this new laptop supports USB 2.0 but one of my 
> > external drives supports USB 3.0. What is required to upgrade the 
> > laptop to support USB 3.0? In the case of my old late desktop it was
simple: drop in a 
> > USB card and that was that. But how to achieve the same in a laptop? 



From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Tue Aug  6 06:10:06 2013
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2013 07:10:06 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 8 equivalent of the Run command
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1h54j03djsgdv_Nk45Lh1_YJ4TVa-EEDoknCZH41oeb0Q@mail.gmail.com>

I haven't had any luck finding either the command window or the Run
command. Does either exist in Windows 8? I need to run netstat -o to obtain
a list of the ports in use and who;s using them. I'm trying to eliminate a
conflict on port 80.

Any ideas, folks?

-- 
Arthur
Cell: 647.710.1314

Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
  -- Niels Bohr

From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Tue Aug  6 06:21:36 2013
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2013 07:21:36 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 8 command window
In-Reply-To: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB082959C5885CB64@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk>
References: <CAEPJO1gHotRUzLVZO_1yWEWL4x29=Od8OggjV5xi1RkvRs-Czg@mail.gmail.com>
	<631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB082959C5885CB64@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1jsP-gbWBRfrp4v+G3t8z8JEZGCSE6Th-pqi1oxqCQ01A@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks, Martin! That'll be a huge help.


On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 3:00 AM, Martin Reid <mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk> wrote:

> Arthur
>
> From the web
>
>
>
> Option 1. When you are in the Metro UI, start typing "cmd". It will
> automatically go in to search mode and will search for what you type
> Option 2: You can open the command prompt by starting the cmd.exe in the
> windows system32 folder.
>
> * Open Windows Explorer.
>
> * Navigate to the folder C:\Windows\System32
>
> * Look for the application CMD.EXE and double click on it.
>
> It will open the command prompt, which look exactly same as before!
>
> You can double click on cmd.exe and choose "Pin to Taskbar" which will add
> a shortcut to the taskbar for easy access to the command prompt in future.]
>
> Option 3: I just figured out how to open the RUN dialog in Windows 8,
> which can be used to open command prompt or any other applications by
> typing it in the RUN dialog.
>
> To open the RUN dialog, press the Windows key and then press "R". This
> will open the RUN dialog for you. To open the command prompt from here,
> type "cmd" and press ENTER.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:
> dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
> Sent: 05 August 2013 20:03
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 8 command window
>
> Where in Windows 8 is the command window?
>
> TIA
>
> --
> Arthur
> Cell: 647.710.1314
>
> Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
>   -- Niels Bohr
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  -- Niels Bohr

From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Tue Aug  6 06:30:08 2013
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2013 07:30:08 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Getting used to Windows 8
In-Reply-To: <002401ce927f$491248c0$db36da40$@cactus.dk>
References: <002401ce927f$491248c0$db36da40$@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1jYo-H=K2UmdpsyJ6HrEaEfJbyQ-Om=orZa-B7Ae3Y_Ew@mail.gmail.com>

There is a port on the left side which I initially assumed was a USB port,
but isn't.  It looks a lot like a standard USB port, though. Maybe it's the
ExpressCard port?

I think I'll also have to get one of those "octopuses" that has one USB
port on one end that branches into 5 or so USB ports on the other end. I've
already used all my USB ports and i have three devices that are not hooked
up. It's a hassle having to swap them in and out. I guess one should never
complain about having too many devices :)

Arthur


On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 4:31 AM, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Hi Arthur
>
> If no ExpressCard port, I think you are out of options. USB 3.0 is about
> hardware, not software (except drivers, of course).
>
> My old HP zd8000 has an ExpressCard port, and I obtained a Sandberg
> ExpressCard USB 3.0 adapter, so now I can hook up a 1TB external drive and
> a
> USB 3.0 card reader and copy between these at excellent speed. Very handy.
>
> /gustav
>
> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Arthur Fuller
> Sendt: 6. august 2013 03:07
> Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Getting used to Windows 8
>
> I don't think that my new box has one too. Can't have everything; o well.
> Two of my externadrives support USB 3.0 but the new laptop stopsilitiel at
> 2.0/. Bummer. Is there some way to install USB 3.0 capabilities on a
> laptop?
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 8:49 PM, Stuart McLachlan
> <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>wrote:
>
> > If your laptop has an ExpressCard slot, you can get a USB3 card  for it.
> > Here's one example.
> >
> > http://www.targus.com/us/usb3/upgrade.aspx
> >
> >
> > Mine doesn't :-(
> >
> >
> > --
> > Stuart
> >
> > On 5 Aug 2013 at 20:26, Arthur Fuller wrote:
> > >
> > > It appears that this new laptop supports USB 2.0 but one of my
> > > external drives supports USB 3.0. What is required to upgrade the
> > > laptop to support USB 3.0? In the case of my old late desktop it was
> simple: drop in a
> > > USB card and that was that. But how to achieve the same in a laptop?
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
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>



-- 
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Cell: 647.710.1314

Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
  -- Niels Bohr

From hkotsch at arcor.de  Tue Aug  6 06:49:35 2013
From: hkotsch at arcor.de (Helmut Kotsch)
Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2013 13:49:35 +0200
Subject: [dba-Tech] Getting used to Windows 8
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1jYo-H=K2UmdpsyJ6HrEaEfJbyQ-Om=orZa-B7Ae3Y_Ew@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <JIECLJNJOMBJFEDLONCBIEKNKHAA.hkotsch@arcor.de>

Be careful when using the octopus. You should know that every USB device
connected draws some current from the USB port. The standard USB port only
provides a max. of 500 mA. If the devices connected to the octopus add up to
a consumption of more than 500 mA provided the provided 5V will drop and
nothing works anymore.
The way to solve this problem is to get an active USB hub with an own power
supply. They will provide up to 4 Amp. current which should be adequate for
most usages.

Helmut



-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]Im Auftrag von Arthur
Fuller
Gesendet: Dienstag, 6. August 2013 13:30
An: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Betreff: Re: [dba-Tech] Getting used to Windows 8


There is a port on the left side which I initially assumed was a USB port,
but isn't.  It looks a lot like a standard USB port, though. Maybe it's the
ExpressCard port?

I think I'll also have to get one of those "octopuses" that has one USB
port on one end that branches into 5 or so USB ports on the other end. I've
already used all my USB ports and i have three devices that are not hooked
up. It's a hassle having to swap them in and out. I guess one should never
complain about having too many devices :)

Arthur


On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 4:31 AM, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Hi Arthur
>
> If no ExpressCard port, I think you are out of options. USB 3.0 is about
> hardware, not software (except drivers, of course).
>
> My old HP zd8000 has an ExpressCard port, and I obtained a Sandberg
> ExpressCard USB 3.0 adapter, so now I can hook up a 1TB external drive and
> a
> USB 3.0 card reader and copy between these at excellent speed. Very handy.
>
> /gustav
>
> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Arthur Fuller
> Sendt: 6. august 2013 03:07
> Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Getting used to Windows 8
>
> I don't think that my new box has one too. Can't have everything; o well.
> Two of my externadrives support USB 3.0 but the new laptop stopsilitiel at
> 2.0/. Bummer. Is there some way to install USB 3.0 capabilities on a
> laptop?
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 8:49 PM, Stuart McLachlan
> <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>wrote:
>
> > If your laptop has an ExpressCard slot, you can get a USB3 card  for it.
> > Here's one example.
> >
> > http://www.targus.com/us/usb3/upgrade.aspx
> >
> >
> > Mine doesn't :-(
> >
> >
> > --
> > Stuart
> >
> > On 5 Aug 2013 at 20:26, Arthur Fuller wrote:
> > >
> > > It appears that this new laptop supports USB 2.0 but one of my
> > > external drives supports USB 3.0. What is required to upgrade the
> > > laptop to support USB 3.0? In the case of my old late desktop it was
> simple: drop in a
> > > USB card and that was that. But how to achieve the same in a laptop?
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
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> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>



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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Tue Aug  6 07:06:47 2013
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2013 08:06:47 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Getting used to Windows 8
In-Reply-To: <JIECLJNJOMBJFEDLONCBIEKNKHAA.hkotsch@arcor.de>
References: <CAEPJO1jYo-H=K2UmdpsyJ6HrEaEfJbyQ-Om=orZa-B7Ae3Y_Ew@mail.gmail.com>
	<JIECLJNJOMBJFEDLONCBIEKNKHAA.hkotsch@arcor.de>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1jkX6zniJf-X69NOdjQXnG6iP2EaEnVJCN3cVyr-AX=vQ@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for the tip, Helmut. I'd never even heard of an active uSB hub prior
to your message, but I'll look into it and see if my local supplier has
them in stock.

Arthur


On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 7:49 AM, Helmut Kotsch <hkotsch at arcor.de> wrote:

> Be careful when using the octopus. You should know that every USB device
> connected draws some current from the USB port. The standard USB port only
> provides a max. of 500 mA. If the devices connected to the octopus add up
> to
> a consumption of more than 500 mA provided the provided 5V will drop and
> nothing works anymore.
> The way to solve this problem is to get an active USB hub with an own power
> supply. They will provide up to 4 Amp. current which should be adequate for
> most usages.
>
> Helmut
>
>
>
> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]Im Auftrag von Arthur
> Fuller
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 6. August 2013 13:30
> An: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Betreff: Re: [dba-Tech] Getting used to Windows 8
>
>
> There is a port on the left side which I initially assumed was a USB port,
> but isn't.  It looks a lot like a standard USB port, though. Maybe it's the
> ExpressCard port?
>
> I think I'll also have to get one of those "octopuses" that has one USB
> port on one end that branches into 5 or so USB ports on the other end. I've
> already used all my USB ports and i have three devices that are not hooked
> up. It's a hassle having to swap them in and out. I guess one should never
> complain about having too many devices :)
>
> Arthur
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 4:31 AM, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
>
> > Hi Arthur
> >
> > If no ExpressCard port, I think you are out of options. USB 3.0 is about
> > hardware, not software (except drivers, of course).
> >
> > My old HP zd8000 has an ExpressCard port, and I obtained a Sandberg
> > ExpressCard USB 3.0 adapter, so now I can hook up a 1TB external drive
> and
> > a
> > USB 3.0 card reader and copy between these at excellent speed. Very
> handy.
> >
> > /gustav
> >
> > -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> > Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Arthur Fuller
> > Sendt: 6. august 2013 03:07
> > Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> > Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Getting used to Windows 8
> >
> > I don't think that my new box has one too. Can't have everything; o well.
> > Two of my externadrives support USB 3.0 but the new laptop stopsilitiel
> at
> > 2.0/. Bummer. Is there some way to install USB 3.0 capabilities on a
> > laptop?
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 8:49 PM, Stuart McLachlan
> > <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>wrote:
> >
> > > If your laptop has an ExpressCard slot, you can get a USB3 card  for
> it.
> > > Here's one example.
> > >
> > > http://www.targus.com/us/usb3/upgrade.aspx
> > >
> > >
> > > Mine doesn't :-(
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Stuart
> > >
> > > On 5 Aug 2013 at 20:26, Arthur Fuller wrote:
> > > >
> > > > It appears that this new laptop supports USB 2.0 but one of my
> > > > external drives supports USB 3.0. What is required to upgrade the
> > > > laptop to support USB 3.0? In the case of my old late desktop it was
> > simple: drop in a
> > > > USB card and that was that. But how to achieve the same in a laptop?
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > dba-Tech mailing list
> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Arthur
> Cell: 647.710.1314
>
> Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
>   -- Niels Bohr
> _______________________________________________
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Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
  -- Niels Bohr

From gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Aug  6 07:19:18 2013
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2013 14:19:18 +0200
Subject: [dba-Tech] Getting used to Windows 8
Message-ID: <005901ce929f$2d063540$87129fc0$@cactus.dk>

Hi Arthur

No, that's more likely a DisplayPort. An ExpressCard port or slot is more
like the old PC Card slots which you must remember.

But didn't this stellar laptop of yours come with a manual where all these
details and specs are listed?

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Arthur Fuller
Sendt: 6. august 2013 13:30
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Getting used to Windows 8

There is a port on the left side which I initially assumed was a USB port,
but isn't.  It looks a lot like a standard USB port, though. Maybe it's the
ExpressCard port?

I think I'll also have to get one of those "octopuses" that has one USB port
on one end that branches into 5 or so USB ports on the other end. I've
already used all my USB ports and i have three devices that are not hooked
up. It's a hassle having to swap them in and out. I guess one should never
complain about having too many devices :)

Arthur


On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 4:31 AM, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Hi Arthur
>
> If no ExpressCard port, I think you are out of options. USB 3.0 is 
> about hardware, not software (except drivers, of course).
>
> My old HP zd8000 has an ExpressCard port, and I obtained a Sandberg 
> ExpressCard USB 3.0 adapter, so now I can hook up a 1TB external drive 
> and a USB 3.0 card reader and copy between these at excellent speed. 
> Very handy.
>
> /gustav
>
> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Arthur 
> Fuller
> Sendt: 6. august 2013 03:07
> Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Getting used to Windows 8
>
> I don't think that my new box has one too. Can't have everything; o well.
> Two of my externadrives support USB 3.0 but the new laptop 
> stopsilitiel at 2.0/. Bummer. Is there some way to install USB 3.0 
> capabilities on a laptop?
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 8:49 PM, Stuart McLachlan
> <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>wrote:
>
> > If your laptop has an ExpressCard slot, you can get a USB3 card  for it.
> > Here's one example.
> >
> > http://www.targus.com/us/usb3/upgrade.aspx
> >
> >
> > Mine doesn't :-(
> >
> >
> > --
> > Stuart
> >
> > On 5 Aug 2013 at 20:26, Arthur Fuller wrote:
> > >
> > > It appears that this new laptop supports USB 2.0 but one of my 
> > > external drives supports USB 3.0. What is required to upgrade the 
> > > laptop to support USB 3.0? In the case of my old late desktop it 
> > > was simple: drop in a USB card and that was that. But how to achieve
the same in a laptop? 



From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Tue Aug  6 07:57:18 2013
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2013 08:57:18 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Getting used to Windows 8
In-Reply-To: <005901ce929f$2d063540$87129fc0$@cactus.dk>
References: <005901ce929f$2d063540$87129fc0$@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1gnYOozF4sPrF21hkSMFJhG+QRGojrGvDx7aZhRd=fxxg@mail.gmail.com>

Then I don't have one. But I'm curious about your comment that the port
must be a display port. I've got an external monitor hooked into a standard
display port that sits beside the power supply port.. I've never seen any
other type. Mind you, I'm getting old. Is there some new-fangled display
port now?

Arthur


On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 8:19 AM, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Hi Arthur
>
> No, that's more likely a DisplayPort. An ExpressCard port or slot is more
> like the old PC Card slots which you must remember.
>
> But didn't this stellar laptop of yours come with a manual where all these
> details and specs are listed?
>
> /gustav
>
> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Arthur Fuller
> Sendt: 6. august 2013 13:30
> Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Getting used to Windows 8
>
> There is a port on the left side which I initially assumed was a USB port,
> but isn't.  It looks a lot like a standard USB port, though. Maybe it's the
> ExpressCard port?
>
> I think I'll also have to get one of those "octopuses" that has one USB
> port
> on one end that branches into 5 or so USB ports on the other end. I've
> already used all my USB ports and i have three devices that are not hooked
> up. It's a hassle having to swap them in and out. I guess one should never
> complain about having too many devices :)
>
> Arthur
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 4:31 AM, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
>
> > Hi Arthur
> >
> > If no ExpressCard port, I think you are out of options. USB 3.0 is
> > about hardware, not software (except drivers, of course).
> >
> > My old HP zd8000 has an ExpressCard port, and I obtained a Sandberg
> > ExpressCard USB 3.0 adapter, so now I can hook up a 1TB external drive
> > and a USB 3.0 card reader and copy between these at excellent speed.
> > Very handy.
> >
> > /gustav
> >
> > -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> > Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Arthur
> > Fuller
> > Sendt: 6. august 2013 03:07
> > Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> > Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Getting used to Windows 8
> >
> > I don't think that my new box has one too. Can't have everything; o well.
> > Two of my externadrives support USB 3.0 but the new laptop
> > stopsilitiel at 2.0/. Bummer. Is there some way to install USB 3.0
> > capabilities on a laptop?
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 8:49 PM, Stuart McLachlan
> > <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>wrote:
> >
> > > If your laptop has an ExpressCard slot, you can get a USB3 card  for
> it.
> > > Here's one example.
> > >
> > > http://www.targus.com/us/usb3/upgrade.aspx
> > >
> > >
> > > Mine doesn't :-(
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Stuart
> > >
> > > On 5 Aug 2013 at 20:26, Arthur Fuller wrote:
> > > >
> > > > It appears that this new laptop supports USB 2.0 but one of my
> > > > external drives supports USB 3.0. What is required to upgrade the
> > > > laptop to support USB 3.0? In the case of my old late desktop it
> > > > was simple: drop in a USB card and that was that. But how to achieve
> the same in a laptop?
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>



-- 
Arthur
Cell: 647.710.1314

Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
  -- Niels Bohr

From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Tue Aug  6 08:13:00 2013
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2013 23:13:00 +1000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Getting used to Windows 8
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1jYo-H=K2UmdpsyJ6HrEaEfJbyQ-Om=orZa-B7Ae3Y_Ew@mail.gmail.com>
References: <002401ce927f$491248c0$db36da40$@cactus.dk>,
	<CAEPJO1jYo-H=K2UmdpsyJ6HrEaEfJbyQ-Om=orZa-B7Ae3Y_Ew@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5200F65C.13988.81B1FC90@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

No, an ExpressCard port looks like one of the old PCMCIA slots. It takes something like a 
thick credit card.   

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ExpressCard

The "lot like USB" is probably  HDMI - a digital video/audio connector which lets you output to 
most modern home entertainment systems.   It's now common on laptops.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HDMI



On 6 Aug 2013 at 7:30, Arthur Fuller wrote:

> There is a port on the left side which I initially assumed was a USB port,
> but isn't.  It looks a lot like a standard USB port, though. Maybe it's the
> ExpressCard port?
> 
> I think I'll also have to get one of those "octopuses" that has one USB
> port on one end that branches into 5 or so USB ports on the other end. I've
> already used all my USB ports and i have three devices that are not hooked
> up. It's a hassle having to swap them in and out. I guess one should never
> complain about having too many devices :)
> 
> Arthur
> 
> 
> On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 4:31 AM, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
> 
> > Hi Arthur
> >
> > If no ExpressCard port, I think you are out of options. USB 3.0 is about
> > hardware, not software (except drivers, of course).
> >
> > My old HP zd8000 has an ExpressCard port, and I obtained a Sandberg
> > ExpressCard USB 3.0 adapter, so now I can hook up a 1TB external drive and
> > a
> > USB 3.0 card reader and copy between these at excellent speed. Very handy.
> >
> > /gustav
> >
> > -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> > Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Arthur Fuller
> > Sendt: 6. august 2013 03:07
> > Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> > Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Getting used to Windows 8
> >
> > I don't think that my new box has one too. Can't have everything; o well.
> > Two of my externadrives support USB 3.0 but the new laptop stopsilitiel at
> > 2.0/. Bummer. Is there some way to install USB 3.0 capabilities on a
> > laptop?
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 8:49 PM, Stuart McLachlan
> > <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>wrote:
> >
> > > If your laptop has an ExpressCard slot, you can get a USB3 card  for it.
> > > Here's one example.
> > >
> > > http://www.targus.com/us/usb3/upgrade.aspx
> > >
> > >
> > > Mine doesn't :-(
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Stuart
> > >
> > > On 5 Aug 2013 at 20:26, Arthur Fuller wrote:
> > > >
> > > > It appears that this new laptop supports USB 2.0 but one of my
> > > > external drives supports USB 3.0. What is required to upgrade the
> > > > laptop to support USB 3.0? In the case of my old late desktop it was
> > simple: drop in a
> > > > USB card and that was that. But how to achieve the same in a laptop?
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > dba-Tech mailing list
> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Arthur
> Cell: 647.710.1314
> 
> Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
>   -- Niels Bohr
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 




From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Tue Aug  6 08:41:21 2013
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2013 09:41:21 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Port 80 puzzle
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1iYoan7fvAWgciajgE_g92bwa4zxvEDwnWY9Ud0eEnsuw@mail.gmail.com>

When I try to run Alpha Anywhere's Application Server I get a message
saying that port 80 is in use. When I run netstat -o I get a long list, but
none of the items is claiming port 80, so I'm mystified as to why I can't
use it. This computer is so relatively new that I've only installed a few
packages (SQL Express 12, Office 2007 and a few others, none of which to my
knowledge touch port 80. Do any of the native apps do so?

TIA,

-- 
Arthur
Cell: 647.710.1314

Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
  -- Niels Bohr

From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Tue Aug  6 08:44:32 2013
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2013 09:44:32 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Getting used to Windows 8
In-Reply-To: <5200F65C.13988.81B1FC90@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <002401ce927f$491248c0$db36da40$@cactus.dk>
	<CAEPJO1jYo-H=K2UmdpsyJ6HrEaEfJbyQ-Om=orZa-B7Ae3Y_Ew@mail.gmail.com>
	<5200F65C.13988.81B1FC90@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1gsj4Ep8a0Y=obc4peLkBxwexiOtJp9VVQkgYxq55b-DA@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Stuart. At the moment I'm still using an old-style TV with a digital
to analog converter, but my next planned purchase is a digital TV, so that
port may get some serious use soon. My desk is too far away, but my coffee
table isn't. Good thing about laptops :)

Arthur


On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 9:13 AM, Stuart McLachlan <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>wrote:

> No, an ExpressCard port looks like one of the old PCMCIA slots. It takes
> something like a
> thick credit card.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ExpressCard
>
> The "lot like USB" is probably  HDMI - a digital video/audio connector
> which lets you output to
> most modern home entertainment systems.   It's now common on laptops.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HDMI
>
>
>
> On 6 Aug 2013 at 7:30, Arthur Fuller wrote:
>
> > There is a port on the left side which I initially assumed was a USB
> port,
> > but isn't.  It looks a lot like a standard USB port, though. Maybe it's
> the
> > ExpressCard port?
> >
> > I think I'll also have to get one of those "octopuses" that has one USB
> > port on one end that branches into 5 or so USB ports on the other end.
> I've
> > already used all my USB ports and i have three devices that are not
> hooked
> > up. It's a hassle having to swap them in and out. I guess one should
> never
> > complain about having too many devices :)
> >
> > Arthur
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 4:31 AM, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Arthur
> > >
> > > If no ExpressCard port, I think you are out of options. USB 3.0 is
> about
> > > hardware, not software (except drivers, of course).
> > >
> > > My old HP zd8000 has an ExpressCard port, and I obtained a Sandberg
> > > ExpressCard USB 3.0 adapter, so now I can hook up a 1TB external drive
> and
> > > a
> > > USB 3.0 card reader and copy between these at excellent speed. Very
> handy.
> > >
> > > /gustav
> > >
> > > -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> > > Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Arthur
> Fuller
> > > Sendt: 6. august 2013 03:07
> > > Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> > > Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Getting used to Windows 8
> > >
> > > I don't think that my new box has one too. Can't have everything; o
> well.
> > > Two of my externadrives support USB 3.0 but the new laptop
> stopsilitiel at
> > > 2.0/. Bummer. Is there some way to install USB 3.0 capabilities on a
> > > laptop?
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 8:49 PM, Stuart McLachlan
> > > <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>wrote:
> > >
> > > > If your laptop has an ExpressCard slot, you can get a USB3 card  for
> it.
> > > > Here's one example.
> > > >
> > > > http://www.targus.com/us/usb3/upgrade.aspx
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Mine doesn't :-(
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Stuart
> > > >
> > > > On 5 Aug 2013 at 20:26, Arthur Fuller wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > It appears that this new laptop supports USB 2.0 but one of my
> > > > > external drives supports USB 3.0. What is required to upgrade the
> > > > > laptop to support USB 3.0? In the case of my old late desktop it
> was
> > > simple: drop in a
> > > > > USB card and that was that. But how to achieve the same in a
> laptop?
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > dba-Tech mailing list
> > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Arthur
> > Cell: 647.710.1314
> >
> > Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
> >   -- Niels Bohr
> > _______________________________________________
> > dba-Tech mailing list
> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>



-- 
Arthur
Cell: 647.710.1314

Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
  -- Niels Bohr

From peter.brawley at earthlink.net  Tue Aug  6 10:57:38 2013
From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley)
Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2013 10:57:38 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 8 equivalent of the Run command
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1h54j03djsgdv_Nk45Lh1_YJ4TVa-EEDoknCZH41oeb0Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1h54j03djsgdv_Nk45Lh1_YJ4TVa-EEDoknCZH41oeb0Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <52011CF2.7010200@earthlink.net>

On 2013-08-06 6:10 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote:
> I haven't had any luck finding either the command window or the Run
> command. Does either exist in Windows 8? I need to run netstat -o to obtain
> a list of the ports in use and who;s using them. I'm trying to eliminate a
> conflict on port 80.
>
> Any ideas, folks?

In a previous msg you asked what's using port 3306. Almost certainly 
that's MySQL.

PB

From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Aug  6 12:07:32 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2013 11:07:32 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Port 80 puzzle
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1iYoan7fvAWgciajgE_g92bwa4zxvEDwnWY9Ud0eEnsuw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <311452835.23548091.1375808852358.JavaMail.root@cds002>

Hi Arthur:

Can I assume you have got in contact to the Alpha support group about this?

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Arthur Fuller" <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 6, 2013 6:41:21 AM
Subject: [dba-Tech] Port 80 puzzle

When I try to run Alpha Anywhere's Application Server I get a message
saying that port 80 is in use. When I run netstat -o I get a long list, but
none of the items is claiming port 80, so I'm mystified as to why I can't
use it. This computer is so relatively new that I've only installed a few
packages (SQL Express 12, Office 2007 and a few others, none of which to my
knowledge touch port 80. Do any of the native apps do so?

TIA,

-- 
Arthur
Cell: 647.710.1314

Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
  -- Niels Bohr
_______________________________________________
dba-Tech mailing list
dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com

From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Tue Aug  6 12:55:36 2013
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2013 13:55:36 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 8 equivalent of the Run command
In-Reply-To: <52011CF2.7010200@earthlink.net>
References: <CAEPJO1h54j03djsgdv_Nk45Lh1_YJ4TVa-EEDoknCZH41oeb0Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<52011CF2.7010200@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1h4k2697VSwgLQ_4nyaaxTDzUiO0bPJDXU0sgacUKY3hQ@mail.gmail.com>

You could well be right about that, Peter, so for the moment I shall
uninstall MySQL, and then re-install after I can make Alpha Anywhere work.
It truly is a spectacular development environment.

Arthur


On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 11:57 AM, Peter Brawley
<peter.brawley at earthlink.net>wrote:

> On 2013-08-06 6:10 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote:
>
>> I haven't had any luck finding either the command window or the Run
>> command. Does either exist in Windows 8? I need to run netstat -o to
>> obtain
>> a list of the ports in use and who;s using them. I'm trying to eliminate a
>> conflict on port 80.
>>
>> Any ideas, folks?
>>
>
> In a previous msg you asked what's using port 3306. Almost certainly
> that's MySQL.
>
> PB
> ______________________________**_________________
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>



-- 
Arthur
Cell: 647.710.1314

Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
  -- Niels Bohr

From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Tue Aug  6 13:59:36 2013
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2013 14:59:36 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Port 80 puzzle
In-Reply-To: <311452835.23548091.1375808852358.JavaMail.root@cds002>
References: <CAEPJO1iYoan7fvAWgciajgE_g92bwa4zxvEDwnWY9Ud0eEnsuw@mail.gmail.com>
	<311452835.23548091.1375808852358.JavaMail.root@cds002>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1hFRqygq8nQNd3RdCjxfHdSbGR4-zKYUwLEOODp_+y2KA@mail.gmail.com>

Yes. Am awaiting a response as to how to edit the XML file that defines the
AppServer configuration. Given their previous response times I expect a
reply within today.

A.

P.S.
I love the Alpha software and the team behind it. They are so quickly
responsive that it feels like I'm in the same room and chatting over the
cubicle wall. I have no financial interest in this team, but I have to say
that I have never enjoyed a better relationship with a product team than
since the days of DOS and Clipper. I became friends with the Clipper team
and wrote a couple of books about Clipper development, and as time went on
became part of the Russell fa(Brian Russell conceived the compiler and
wrote its core; Rich McConell and Kevin Sheperd wrote most of the hard-core
stuff, but it was Brian's vision that created Nantucket and the Clipper
compiler, which triumphed overwhelminglyin that environment. I suspect the
same will hold tfor Alpha Anywhere. No other product comes close. This baby
blows the doors off every available competitor, including the finest from
MS and Oracle. Their products don't begin to approach the power and simple
development environment of Alpha Five; These guys Rock!

Arthur


On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 1:07 PM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> Hi Arthur:
>
> Can I assume you have got in contact to the Alpha support group about this?
>
> Jim
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Arthur Fuller" <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <
> dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 6, 2013 6:41:21 AM
> Subject: [dba-Tech] Port 80 puzzle
>
> When I try to run Alpha Anywhere's Application Server I get a message
> saying that port 80 is in use. When I run netstat -o I get a long list, but
> none of the items is claiming port 80, so I'm mystified as to why I can't
> use it. This computer is so relatively new that I've only installed a few
> packages (SQL Express 12, Office 2007 and a few others, none of which to my
> knowledge touch port 80. Do any of the native apps do so?
>
> TIA,
>
> --
> Arthur
> Cell: 647.710.1314
>
> Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
>   -- Niels Bohr
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>



-- 
Arthur
Cell: 647.710.1314

Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
  -- Niels Bohr

From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Aug  6 14:44:41 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2013 13:44:41 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Port 80 puzzle
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1hFRqygq8nQNd3RdCjxfHdSbGR4-zKYUwLEOODp_+y2KA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <310847362.23723542.1375818281751.JavaMail.root@cds002>

Hi Arthur:

So you like Alpha? ;-)

Keep us posted on your process and if you are deciding to write any books.

Just a question; what database does Alpha use?

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Arthur Fuller" <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 6, 2013 11:59:36 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Port 80 puzzle

Yes. Am awaiting a response as to how to edit the XML file that defines the
AppServer configuration. Given their previous response times I expect a
reply within today.

A.

P.S.
I love the Alpha software and the team behind it. They are so quickly
responsive that it feels like I'm in the same room and chatting over the
cubicle wall. I have no financial interest in this team, but I have to say
that I have never enjoyed a better relationship with a product team than
since the days of DOS and Clipper. I became friends with the Clipper team
and wrote a couple of books about Clipper development, and as time went on
became part of the Russell fa(Brian Russell conceived the compiler and
wrote its core; Rich McConell and Kevin Sheperd wrote most of the hard-core
stuff, but it was Brian's vision that created Nantucket and the Clipper
compiler, which triumphed overwhelminglyin that environment. I suspect the
same will hold tfor Alpha Anywhere. No other product comes close. This baby
blows the doors off every available competitor, including the finest from
MS and Oracle. Their products don't begin to approach the power and simple
development environment of Alpha Five; These guys Rock!

Arthur


On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 1:07 PM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> Hi Arthur:
>
> Can I assume you have got in contact to the Alpha support group about this?
>
> Jim
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Arthur Fuller" <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <
> dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 6, 2013 6:41:21 AM
> Subject: [dba-Tech] Port 80 puzzle
>
> When I try to run Alpha Anywhere's Application Server I get a message
> saying that port 80 is in use. When I run netstat -o I get a long list, but
> none of the items is claiming port 80, so I'm mystified as to why I can't
> use it. This computer is so relatively new that I've only installed a few
> packages (SQL Express 12, Office 2007 and a few others, none of which to my
> knowledge touch port 80. Do any of the native apps do so?
>
> TIA,
>
> --
> Arthur
> Cell: 647.710.1314
>
> Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
>   -- Niels Bohr
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>



-- 
Arthur
Cell: 647.710.1314

Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
  -- Niels Bohr
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From peter.brawley at earthlink.net  Tue Aug  6 15:26:44 2013
From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley)
Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2013 15:26:44 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Port 80 puzzle
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1hFRqygq8nQNd3RdCjxfHdSbGR4-zKYUwLEOODp_+y2KA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1iYoan7fvAWgciajgE_g92bwa4zxvEDwnWY9Ud0eEnsuw@mail.gmail.com>
	<311452835.23548091.1375808852358.JavaMail.root@cds002>
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On 2013-08-06 1:59 PM, Arthur Fuller wrote:
> Yes. Am awaiting a response as to how to edit the XML file that defines the
> AppServer configuration. Given their previous response times I expect a
> reply within today.
>
> A.
>
> P.S.
> I love the Alpha software and the team behind it. They are so quickly
> responsive that it feels like I'm in the same room and chatting over the
> cubicle wall. I have no financial interest in this team, but I have to say
> that I have never enjoyed a better relationship with a product team than
> since the days of DOS and Clipper. I became friends with the Clipper team
> and wrote a couple of books about Clipper development, and as time went on
> became part of the Russell fa(Brian Russell conceived the compiler and
> wrote its core; Rich McConell and Kevin Sheperd wrote most of the hard-core
> stuff, but it was Brian's vision that created Nantucket and the Clipper
> compiler, which triumphed overwhelminglyin that environment. I suspect the
> same will hold tfor Alpha Anywhere. No other product comes close. This baby
> blows the doors off every available competitor, including the finest from
> MS and Oracle. Their products don't begin to approach the power and simple
> development environment of Alpha Five; These guys Rock!

Still Windows-only?

PB

>
> Arthur
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 1:07 PM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
>
>> Hi Arthur:
>>
>> Can I assume you have got in contact to the Alpha support group about this?
>>
>> Jim
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Arthur Fuller" <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
>> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <
>> dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 6, 2013 6:41:21 AM
>> Subject: [dba-Tech] Port 80 puzzle
>>
>> When I try to run Alpha Anywhere's Application Server I get a message
>> saying that port 80 is in use. When I run netstat -o I get a long list, but
>> none of the items is claiming port 80, so I'm mystified as to why I can't
>> use it. This computer is so relatively new that I've only installed a few
>> packages (SQL Express 12, Office 2007 and a few others, none of which to my
>> knowledge touch port 80. Do any of the native apps do so?
>>
>> TIA,
>>
>> --
>> Arthur
>> Cell: 647.710.1314
>>
>> Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
>>    -- Niels Bohr
>> _______________________________________________
>> dba-Tech mailing list
>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>> _______________________________________________
>> dba-Tech mailing list
>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>
>


From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Tue Aug  6 15:50:49 2013
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2013 16:50:49 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Port 80 puzzle
In-Reply-To: <310847362.23723542.1375818281751.JavaMail.root@cds002>
References: <CAEPJO1hFRqygq8nQNd3RdCjxfHdSbGR4-zKYUwLEOODp_+y2KA@mail.gmail.com>
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I think that Susan has about 4 books out already and covered almost
everything. However, there is at least one niche that she has not yet
covered, and I may choose to step into that niche. I'm not going to spill
the beans on the niche I have identified, lest she beat me to the punch,
but in the meantime I will solidly recommend her books. She knows the
product inside out.

Alpha is not inexpensive, but compared to alleged compeitors, I see nothing
that even comes close. Write once, deploy o the web, to tablets, and to
smart phones. No other competitor can deliver this, AFIK. Alpha Anywhere
has my unmitigated support and allegiance. I think that these folks have
delivered the premium multi-platform development environment currently
available. In fact I would go so far as to say that they have raised the
bar and that to compete in this market you must surpass Alpha Anywhere or
die. This software is that good.

It's almost sickening how great this software is. If you are into VBA, the
programming language is way more powerful. to the point where it makes VBA
seem a kiddie language.

Yup, I'm totally sold on Alpha Anywhere. I began using it as a member of
the beta team, and have already deployed a relatively simple app for use by
an NPO in 23 cities. The users can run it on whatever platform they prefer.
The app is not complex, but has about 25k users spread across 23 cities. I
wrote this app for $0 dollars because I believe in what this NGO is trying
to provide, and because I wish to give back.

I couldn't have delivered this in fewer hours on any other platform than
Alpha Anywhere. I aan old-timer, but I have to say that in all my years, I
have never encountered a more powerful or intuitive IDE than Alpha
Anywhere.

I own no shares in this company, and unfortunately, am being rewarded by my
endorsements neiither with free trips to Nassau nor a collection of hookers
nor cash in the pocket; I state that my endorsement of Alpha Anywhere comes
with no strings attached. I deem this the best possible multi-platformm
development thing currently available, and further deem that it will take
the other players at least a year or two to catch up to the fast-moving
Alpha team. Richard and Selwyn clearly know a couple of things that their
competitors do not know: a) how to build a team of developers; b) how to
architect a "Best in Class" environment.

In the past couple of weeks I have translated a couple of Access+SQl apps
to Alpha Anywhre, and these were non-trivial. I did thentse as learning
exercises, then showed them to the clients of interest. Of particular
interest in both cases was the deployment tablet, in the first case a
factory safety inspection app and in the latter case, a riding-stable app.

In both cases, the translation from Access to Alpha Anywhere took a couple
of hours per app.

I feel good!

Arthur


On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 3:44 PM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> Hi Arthur:
>
> So you like Alpha? ;-)
>
> Keep us posted on your process and if you are deciding to write any books.
>
> Just a question; what database does Alpha use?
>
> Jim
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Arthur Fuller" <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <
> dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 6, 2013 11:59:36 AM
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Port 80 puzzle
>
> Yes. Am awaiting a response as to how to edit the XML file that defines the
> AppServer configuration. Given their previous response times I expect a
> reply within today.
>
> A.
>
> P.S.
> I love the Alpha software and the team behind it. They are so quickly
> responsive that it feels like I'm in the same room and chatting over the
> cubicle wall. I have no financial interest in this team, but I have to say
> that I have never enjoyed a better relationship with a product team than
> since the days of DOS and Clipper. I became friends with the Clipper team
> and wrote a couple of books about Clipper development, and as time went on
> became part of the Russell fa(Brian Russell conceived the compiler and
> wrote its core; Rich McConell and Kevin Sheperd wrote most of the hard-core
> stuff, but it was Brian's vision that created Nantucket and the Clipper
> compiler, which triumphed overwhelminglyin that environment. I suspect the
> same will hold tfor Alpha Anywhere. No other product comes close. This baby
> blows the doors off every available competitor, including the finest from
> MS and Oracle. Their products don't begin to approach the power and simple
> development environment of Alpha Five; These guys Rock!
>
> Arthur
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 1:07 PM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
>
> > Hi Arthur:
> >
> > Can I assume you have got in contact to the Alpha support group about
> this?
> >
> > Jim
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Arthur Fuller" <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
> > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <
> > dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, August 6, 2013 6:41:21 AM
> > Subject: [dba-Tech] Port 80 puzzle
> >
> > When I try to run Alpha Anywhere's Application Server I get a message
> > saying that port 80 is in use. When I run netstat -o I get a long list,
> but
> > none of the items is claiming port 80, so I'm mystified as to why I can't
> > use it. This computer is so relatively new that I've only installed a few
> > packages (SQL Express 12, Office 2007 and a few others, none of which to
> my
> > knowledge touch port 80. Do any of the native apps do so?
> >
> > TIA,
> >
> > --
> > Arthur
> > Cell: 647.710.1314
> >
> > Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
> >   -- Niels Bohr
> > _______________________________________________
> > dba-Tech mailing list
> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > _______________________________________________
> > dba-Tech mailing list
> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Arthur
> Cell: 647.710.1314
>
> Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
>   -- Niels Bohr
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>



-- 
Arthur
Cell: 647.710.1314

Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
  -- Niels Bohr

From df.waters at comcast.net  Tue Aug  6 15:55:39 2013
From: df.waters at comcast.net (Dan Waters)
Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2013 15:55:39 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Port 80 puzzle
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1jb59CMKHS=2_66O+pEvf23tYS-3c=vTMWqyAK8dyNNhA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1hFRqygq8nQNd3RdCjxfHdSbGR4-zKYUwLEOODp_+y2KA@mail.gmail.com>	<310847362.23723542.1375818281751.JavaMail.root@cds002>
	<CAEPJO1jb59CMKHS=2_66O+pEvf23tYS-3c=vTMWqyAK8dyNNhA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <003201ce92e7$4ef51bb0$ecdf5310$@comcast.net>

Jeez!  One little piece of software and the whole retirement thing is out
the window!

Well - you tried!  

;-)  Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2013 3:51 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Port 80 puzzle

I think that Susan has about 4 books out already and covered almost
everything. However, there is at least one niche that she has not yet
covered, and I may choose to step into that niche. I'm not going to spill
the beans on the niche I have identified, lest she beat me to the punch, but
in the meantime I will solidly recommend her books. She knows the product
inside out.

Alpha is not inexpensive, but compared to alleged compeitors, I see nothing
that even comes close. Write once, deploy o the web, to tablets, and to
smart phones. No other competitor can deliver this, AFIK. Alpha Anywhere has
my unmitigated support and allegiance. I think that these folks have
delivered the premium multi-platform development environment currently
available. In fact I would go so far as to say that they have raised the bar
and that to compete in this market you must surpass Alpha Anywhere or die.
This software is that good.

It's almost sickening how great this software is. If you are into VBA, the
programming language is way more powerful. to the point where it makes VBA
seem a kiddie language.

Yup, I'm totally sold on Alpha Anywhere. I began using it as a member of the
beta team, and have already deployed a relatively simple app for use by an
NPO in 23 cities. The users can run it on whatever platform they prefer.
The app is not complex, but has about 25k users spread across 23 cities. I
wrote this app for $0 dollars because I believe in what this NGO is trying
to provide, and because I wish to give back.

I couldn't have delivered this in fewer hours on any other platform than
Alpha Anywhere. I aan old-timer, but I have to say that in all my years, I
have never encountered a more powerful or intuitive IDE than Alpha Anywhere.

I own no shares in this company, and unfortunately, am being rewarded by my
endorsements neiither with free trips to Nassau nor a collection of hookers
nor cash in the pocket; I state that my endorsement of Alpha Anywhere comes
with no strings attached. I deem this the best possible multi-platformm
development thing currently available, and further deem that it will take
the other players at least a year or two to catch up to the fast-moving
Alpha team. Richard and Selwyn clearly know a couple of things that their
competitors do not know: a) how to build a team of developers; b) how to
architect a "Best in Class" environment.

In the past couple of weeks I have translated a couple of Access+SQl apps to
Alpha Anywhre, and these were non-trivial. I did thentse as learning
exercises, then showed them to the clients of interest. Of particular
interest in both cases was the deployment tablet, in the first case a
factory safety inspection app and in the latter case, a riding-stable app.

In both cases, the translation from Access to Alpha Anywhere took a couple
of hours per app.

I feel good!

Arthur


On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 3:44 PM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> Hi Arthur:
>
> So you like Alpha? ;-)
>
> Keep us posted on your process and if you are deciding to write any books.
>
> Just a question; what database does Alpha use?
>
> Jim
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Arthur Fuller" <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" < 
> dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 6, 2013 11:59:36 AM
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Port 80 puzzle
>
> Yes. Am awaiting a response as to how to edit the XML file that 
> defines the AppServer configuration. Given their previous response 
> times I expect a reply within today.
>
> A.
>
> P.S.
> I love the Alpha software and the team behind it. They are so quickly 
> responsive that it feels like I'm in the same room and chatting over 
> the cubicle wall. I have no financial interest in this team, but I 
> have to say that I have never enjoyed a better relationship with a 
> product team than since the days of DOS and Clipper. I became friends 
> with the Clipper team and wrote a couple of books about Clipper 
> development, and as time went on became part of the Russell fa(Brian 
> Russell conceived the compiler and wrote its core; Rich McConell and 
> Kevin Sheperd wrote most of the hard-core stuff, but it was Brian's 
> vision that created Nantucket and the Clipper compiler, which 
> triumphed overwhelminglyin that environment. I suspect the same will 
> hold tfor Alpha Anywhere. No other product comes close. This baby 
> blows the doors off every available competitor, including the finest 
> from MS and Oracle. Their products don't begin to approach the power and
simple development environment of Alpha Five; These guys Rock!
>
> Arthur
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 1:07 PM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
>
> > Hi Arthur:
> >
> > Can I assume you have got in contact to the Alpha support group 
> > about
> this?
> >
> > Jim
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Arthur Fuller" <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
> > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" < 
> > dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, August 6, 2013 6:41:21 AM
> > Subject: [dba-Tech] Port 80 puzzle
> >
> > When I try to run Alpha Anywhere's Application Server I get a 
> > message saying that port 80 is in use. When I run netstat -o I get a 
> > long list,
> but
> > none of the items is claiming port 80, so I'm mystified as to why I 
> > can't use it. This computer is so relatively new that I've only 
> > installed a few packages (SQL Express 12, Office 2007 and a few 
> > others, none of which to
> my
> > knowledge touch port 80. Do any of the native apps do so?
> >
> > TIA,
> >
> > --
> > Arthur
> > Cell: 647.710.1314
> >
> > Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
> >   -- Niels Bohr
> > _______________________________________________
> > dba-Tech mailing list
> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com 
> > _______________________________________________
> > dba-Tech mailing list
> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Arthur
> Cell: 647.710.1314
>
> Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
>   -- Niels Bohr
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com 
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>



--
Arthur
Cell: 647.710.1314

Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
  -- Niels Bohr
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Tue Aug  6 16:32:30 2013
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2013 07:32:30 +1000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Port 80 puzzle
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1iYoan7fvAWgciajgE_g92bwa4zxvEDwnWY9Ud0eEnsuw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1iYoan7fvAWgciajgE_g92bwa4zxvEDwnWY9Ud0eEnsuw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <52016B6E.14337.837B499F@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Netstat -nao will gived you the PIDs of the process using ports. You can then track down the 
PID using TaskMgr/ProceExp.

Or for a simple GUI tool which tell you directly:  Sysinternals TCPView or Nirsofts CurrPorts

http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb897437

http://www.nirsoft.net/utils/cports.html



On 6 Aug 2013 at 9:41, Arthur Fuller wrote:

> When I try to run Alpha Anywhere's Application Server I get a message
> saying that port 80 is in use. When I run netstat -o I get a long list, but
> none of the items is claiming port 80, so I'm mystified as to why I can't
> use it. This computer is so relatively new that I've only installed a few
> packages (SQL Express 12, Office 2007 and a few others, none of which to my
> knowledge touch port 80. Do any of the native apps do so?
> 
> TIA,
> 
> -- 
> Arthur
> Cell: 647.710.1314
> 
> Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
>   -- Niels Bohr
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 



From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Aug  7 06:43:41 2013
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2013 13:43:41 +0200
Subject: [dba-Tech] Remove adds
Message-ID: <008201ce9363$5d8e3810$18aaa830$@cactus.dk>

Hi all

For a long time I've been sick and tired of reading about rescue equipment,
travels, sports gear I don't use (I'm a swimmer) and so on.
I've tried clicking the "remove this kind of add" sometimes offered by
Google, but that just tells the Googs that I've seen this add - so it will
pop up forever and ever. Very clever.

Due to the much discussion on privacy following Mr. Snowden's doings, I
decided as a first step to check out IE10's Tracking Protection. It is a
snap to turn on, zero installation, and zero cost.

It works but - much to my surprise - it also removes a lot of adds. The
local newspaper sites and ComputerWorld is now readable without adds filling
half the screen, and pages load much quicker. What a relief!

/gustav


From djkr at msn.com  Wed Aug  7 07:25:21 2013
From: djkr at msn.com (DJK (John) Robinson)
Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2013 13:25:21 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Remove adds
In-Reply-To: <008201ce9363$5d8e3810$18aaa830$@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP149D296BAD882E2317B8293D25E0@phx.gbl>

Hi Gustav

I've got IE10, but hadn't noticed this facility.  Sound good!  I see a choice of TPLs (Tracking Protection Lists).
Which one(s) did you choose?  What are other's experiences of this, and the choice of TPLs?

John


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: 07 August 2013 12:44
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: [dba-Tech] Remove adds


Hi all

For a long time I've been sick and tired of reading about rescue equipment, travels, sports gear I don't use (I'm a
swimmer) and so on. I've tried clicking the "remove this kind of add" sometimes offered by Google, but that just tells
the Googs that I've seen this add - so it will pop up forever and ever. Very clever.

Due to the much discussion on privacy following Mr. Snowden's doings, I decided as a first step to check out IE10's
Tracking Protection. It is a snap to turn on, zero installation, and zero cost.

It works but - much to my surprise - it also removes a lot of adds. The local newspaper sites and ComputerWorld is now
readable without adds filling half the screen, and pages load much quicker. What a relief!

/gustav

_______________________________________________
dba-Tech mailing list
dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com


From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Aug  7 07:44:57 2013
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2013 14:44:57 +0200
Subject: [dba-Tech] Remove adds
Message-ID: <009101ce936b$ec4d0f60$c4e72e20$@cactus.dk>

Hi John

To make it easy, I just selected the "Automatic" option for the prefilled
"My Private List".
Don't know about the other choices.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af DJK (John)
Robinson
Sendt: 7. august 2013 14:25
Til: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Remove adds

Hi Gustav

I've got IE10, but hadn't noticed this facility.  Sound good!  I see a
choice of TPLs (Tracking Protection Lists).
Which one(s) did you choose?  What are other's experiences of this, and the
choice of TPLs?

John


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: 07 August 2013 12:44
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: [dba-Tech] Remove adds


Hi all

For a long time I've been sick and tired of reading about rescue equipment,
travels, sports gear I don't use (I'm a
swimmer) and so on. I've tried clicking the "remove this kind of add"
sometimes offered by Google, but that just tells the Googs that I've seen
this add - so it will pop up forever and ever. Very clever.

Due to the much discussion on privacy following Mr. Snowden's doings, I
decided as a first step to check out IE10's Tracking Protection. It is a
snap to turn on, zero installation, and zero cost.

It works but - much to my surprise - it also removes a lot of adds. The
local newspaper sites and ComputerWorld is now readable without adds filling
half the screen, and pages load much quicker. What a relief!

/gustav 



From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Wed Aug  7 07:56:04 2013
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2013 05:56:04 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Remove adds
In-Reply-To: <008201ce9363$5d8e3810$18aaa830$@cactus.dk>
References: <008201ce9363$5d8e3810$18aaa830$@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <6EFB8B1F1B9D44E09774513E14487E2A@HAL9007>

I'm using Adblock Plus on Firefox and it's always worked well but lately
seems not to be.

Do you know of something I can do with Firefox - a similar add-on perhaps.

Rocky


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2013 4:44 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: [dba-Tech] Remove adds

Hi all

For a long time I've been sick and tired of reading about rescue equipment,
travels, sports gear I don't use (I'm a swimmer) and so on.
I've tried clicking the "remove this kind of add" sometimes offered by
Google, but that just tells the Googs that I've seen this add - so it will
pop up forever and ever. Very clever.

Due to the much discussion on privacy following Mr. Snowden's doings, I
decided as a first step to check out IE10's Tracking Protection. It is a
snap to turn on, zero installation, and zero cost.

It works but - much to my surprise - it also removes a lot of adds. The
local newspaper sites and ComputerWorld is now readable without adds filling
half the screen, and pages load much quicker. What a relief!

/gustav

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From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Aug  7 08:30:42 2013
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2013 15:30:42 +0200
Subject: [dba-Tech] Remove adds
Message-ID: <009301ce9372$5090ba20$f1b22e60$@cactus.dk>

Hi Rocky

Not me, sorry. I use IE exclusively.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
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[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Rocky Smolin
Sendt: 7. august 2013 14:56
Til: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Remove adds

I'm using Adblock Plus on Firefox and it's always worked well but lately
seems not to be.

Do you know of something I can do with Firefox - a similar add-on perhaps.

Rocky


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2013 4:44 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: [dba-Tech] Remove adds

Hi all

For a long time I've been sick and tired of reading about rescue equipment,
travels, sports gear I don't use (I'm a swimmer) and so on.
I've tried clicking the "remove this kind of add" sometimes offered by
Google, but that just tells the Googs that I've seen this add - so it will
pop up forever and ever. Very clever.

Due to the much discussion on privacy following Mr. Snowden's doings, I
decided as a first step to check out IE10's Tracking Protection. It is a
snap to turn on, zero installation, and zero cost.

It works but - much to my surprise - it also removes a lot of adds. The
local newspaper sites and ComputerWorld is now readable without adds filling
half the screen, and pages load much quicker. What a relief!

/gustav 



From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Aug  7 13:03:57 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2013 12:03:57 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Remove adds
In-Reply-To: <008201ce9363$5d8e3810$18aaa830$@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <1365413544.24593236.1375898637150.JavaMail.root@cds002>

Hi Gustav:

The new IE10 seems to be the ticket and with the controversy around the browser THOR it may be a very good way to go. I seriously doubt that Google will fully equip Chrome as their business is advertising and allowing their clients access to their users browser statistic is their bread and butter.

OTOH, the new Firerfox 23 is supposed to also be very secure, very fast and it runs across all platforms and within all OSs.

Jim    

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 7, 2013 4:43:41 AM
Subject: [dba-Tech] Remove adds

Hi all

For a long time I've been sick and tired of reading about rescue equipment,
travels, sports gear I don't use (I'm a swimmer) and so on.
I've tried clicking the "remove this kind of add" sometimes offered by
Google, but that just tells the Googs that I've seen this add - so it will
pop up forever and ever. Very clever.

Due to the much discussion on privacy following Mr. Snowden's doings, I
decided as a first step to check out IE10's Tracking Protection. It is a
snap to turn on, zero installation, and zero cost.

It works but - much to my surprise - it also removes a lot of adds. The
local newspaper sites and ComputerWorld is now readable without adds filling
half the screen, and pages load much quicker. What a relief!

/gustav

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From peter.brawley at earthlink.net  Wed Aug  7 13:12:24 2013
From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley)
Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2013 13:12:24 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Remove adds
In-Reply-To: <1365413544.24593236.1375898637150.JavaMail.root@cds002>
References: <1365413544.24593236.1375898637150.JavaMail.root@cds002>
Message-ID: <52028E08.5070804@earthlink.net>

On 2013-08-07 1:03 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote:
> Hi Gustav:
>
> The new IE10 seems to be the ticket and with the controversy around the browser THOR it may be a very good way to go. I seriously doubt that Google will fully equip Chrome as their business is advertising and allowing their clients access to their users browser statistic is their bread and butter.
>
> OTOH, the new Firerfox 23 is supposed to also be very secure, very fast and it runs across all platforms and within all OSs.

Google Chrome ads suck but it's is terrific for coordinating bookmarks 
across desktops, laptops & tablets. Firefox still seems to be the better 
browser to do development in. IE? Yech.

PB

-----

>
> Jim
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 7, 2013 4:43:41 AM
> Subject: [dba-Tech] Remove adds
>
> Hi all
>
> For a long time I've been sick and tired of reading about rescue equipment,
> travels, sports gear I don't use (I'm a swimmer) and so on.
> I've tried clicking the "remove this kind of add" sometimes offered by
> Google, but that just tells the Googs that I've seen this add - so it will
> pop up forever and ever. Very clever.
>
> Due to the much discussion on privacy following Mr. Snowden's doings, I
> decided as a first step to check out IE10's Tracking Protection. It is a
> snap to turn on, zero installation, and zero cost.
>
> It works but - much to my surprise - it also removes a lot of adds. The
> local newspaper sites and ComputerWorld is now readable without adds filling
> half the screen, and pages load much quicker. What a relief!
>
> /gustav
>
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From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Thu Aug  8 07:51:46 2013
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Thu, 08 Aug 2013 08:51:46 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Finding CTRL+BREAK
In-Reply-To: <CAGXtTChva5wB3k2cwgM4oYmsZ47jeiveeB_DAd+97g=LXbCg8g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <51FD0EF9.50002@torchlake.com>
	<CAGXtTCiA5orW3Nt99arWG_0RPz+nCkq_F0tbmxEdQgCMDGhwHg@mail.gmail.com>
	<51FE6F80.90109@torchlake.com>
	<51FECD38.24100.79414BFA@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<51FFD473.3050003@torchlake.com>
	<CAGXtTChva5wB3k2cwgM4oYmsZ47jeiveeB_DAd+97g=LXbCg8g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <52039462.7070001@torchlake.com>

Hi Mark,

Yes, I will keep this thread!  :-)

on this page:
http://choorucode.com/2010/11/28/ctrl-break-on-dell-vostro-3300-laptop/
I found the advice to use CTRL+FN+NUMLOCK as CTRL+BREAK.  The 
explanation is that the key combo is CTRL+FN+SCROLL-LOCK, and that 
SCROLL-LOCK and NUMLOCK share the same key.

So, I'm going to put both of these tidbits of information in my "how to" 
book for future reference, and I'll let you know how well this worked 
the next time I need to interrupt a tediously long or infinitely looping 
query.

Best regards,
TNF

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
231-322-2787

On 8/6/2013 3:32 AM, Mark Breen wrote:
> Hello Tina and Stuart,
>
> thank you very much.
>
> What I hate about getting old is that I now realise that I knew that key
> combination previously and then forgot it again.
>
> Tina, will you store it and when I come around asking again in 2 months
> time, you can just forward Stuarts answer to me again ;)
>
> I hope you find the CTRL + Break
>
> Did you see the following comments
> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1722149/need-ctrlbreak-on-laptop-without-a-break-key
>
> Mark
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 5 August 2013 17:36, Tina Norris Fields <tinanfields at torchlake.com>wrote:
>
>> Stuart,
>> Cool!  That worked for me for the RIGHT-CLICK menu key.  Hope it worked
>> for Mark.
>> Now, do you have the answer for CTRL+BREAK?  I would so love to have that
>> in my head.
>>
>> TNF
>>
>> Tina Norris Fields
>> tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-**com
>> 231-322-2787
>>
>> On 8/4/2013 5:52 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote:
>>
>>> Shift+F10 ?
>>>
>>> On 4 Aug 2013 at 11:13, Tina Norris Fields wrote:
>>>
>>>   Hi Mark,
>>>> My keyboard does have the menu key to the right of the SPACE, ALT and
>>>> CTRL keys.  So, I'm no help with your question, but here's hoping
>>>> someone will know.
>>>>
>>>> TNF
>>>>
>>>> Tina Norris Fields
>>>> tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-**com
>>>> 231-322-2787
>>>>
>>>> On 8/4/2013 7:24 AM, Mark Breen wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hello Tina
>>>>>
>>>>> Can I add another question to your question?  Where is the Right Menu
>>>>> button ?  I have the same smaller foot print keyboard and I really mis
>>>>> the
>>>>> right click menu key?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 3 August 2013 15:08, Tina Norris Fields <tinanfields at torchlake.com>*
>>>>> *wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>   Hi,
>>>>>> On a laptop keyboard, how do I do the old CTRL+BREAK?  Yeah, I needed
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> interrupt a query that wasn't working right and headed for the old
>>>>>> fail-safe key combo, and got stumped.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There is a PrntScrn key.  It also has SysReq on it, that presumably is
>>>>>> activated via the Fn key.  But CTRL+Fn+PrntScrn did not produce a
>>>>>> CTRL+BREAK response.  What am I doing wrong?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I got out of the situation with CTRL+ALT+DEL to launch Task Manager and
>>>>>> just ended the process.  But, where do I find my old stand-by?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is a Dell Vostro 3500 running Win7 Pro 32-bit.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks for your help.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> TNF
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Tina Norris Fields
>>>>>> tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-****com
>>>>>> 231-322-2787
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Aug  9 06:20:16 2013
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2013 13:20:16 +0200
Subject: [dba-Tech] Sticky "ghost" partion on SSD
Message-ID: <003a01ce94f2$6ce4bf10$46ae3d30$@cactus.dk>

Hi all

My Kingston SSDNow 64 GB SSD once was restored using Windows Restore in
Hyper-V with a partition of 15 GB.

It was then mounted in my ThinkStation with Win7 which, of course, could see
that partition.
However, it could not erase that partion to create a new of the full
capacity of the drive, ~64 GB.

So I moved the drive to first one (with Hyper-V Server), then another
machine (with Win8) and both could create and view a partion of ~64 GB.

However, when I move the drive back to the ThinkStation, it still believes
the old 15 GB partion is there.
How can I tell the ThinkStation to refresh the partion information?

/gustav


From gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Aug  9 08:13:04 2013
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2013 15:13:04 +0200
Subject: [dba-Tech] Sticky "ghost" partion on SSD
Message-ID: <005101ce9502$2ede31f0$8c9a95d0$@cactus.dk>

Hi all

Also Intel Rapid drive info, running on the ThinkStation, reports the
correct drive info

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Gustav Brock
Sendt: 9. august 2013 13:20
Til: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Emne: [dba-Tech] Sticky "ghost" partion on SSD

Hi all

My Kingston SSDNow 64 GB SSD once was restored using Windows Restore in
Hyper-V with a partition of 15 GB.

It was then mounted in my ThinkStation with Win7 which, of course, could see
that partition.
However, it could not erase that partion to create a new of the full
capacity of the drive, ~64 GB.

So I moved the drive to first one (with Hyper-V Server), then another
machine (with Win8) and both could create and view a partion of ~64 GB.

However, when I move the drive back to the ThinkStation, it still believes
the old 15 GB partion is there.
How can I tell the ThinkStation to refresh the partion information?

/gustav

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From gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Aug  9 11:35:14 2013
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2013 18:35:14 +0200
Subject: [dba-Tech] Sticky "ghost" partion on SSD
Message-ID: <000001ce951e$6dc249d0$4946dd70$@cactus.dk>

Hi all

I moved the drive to the ThinkStation, booted with the Hyper-V install cd,
and reformatted the drive at the full size of ~64 GB.

Then I shut the machine down, reconnected all drives and booted. Now the
Kingston SSD showed up with the correct partitions.
Problem solved.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Gustav Brock
Sendt: 9. august 2013 13:20
Til: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Emne: [dba-Tech] Sticky "ghost" partion on SSD

Hi all

My Kingston SSDNow 64 GB SSD once was restored using Windows Restore in
Hyper-V with a partition of 15 GB.

It was then mounted in my ThinkStation with Win7 which, of course, could see
that partition.
However, it could not erase that partion to create a new of the full
capacity of the drive, ~64 GB.

So I moved the drive to first one (with Hyper-V Server), then another
machine (with Win8) and both could create and view a partion of ~64 GB.

However, when I move the drive back to the ThinkStation, it still believes
the old 15 GB partion is there.
How can I tell the ThinkStation to refresh the partion information?

/gustav 



From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Aug  9 20:20:11 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2013 19:20:11 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Sticky "ghost" partion on SSD
In-Reply-To: <000001ce951e$6dc249d0$4946dd70$@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <1224092193.26808504.1376097611540.JavaMail.root@cds002>

Hi Gustav:

That is good to hear.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, August 9, 2013 9:35:14 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Sticky "ghost" partion on SSD

Hi all

I moved the drive to the ThinkStation, booted with the Hyper-V install cd,
and reformatted the drive at the full size of ~64 GB.

Then I shut the machine down, reconnected all drives and booted. Now the
Kingston SSD showed up with the correct partitions.
Problem solved.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Gustav Brock
Sendt: 9. august 2013 13:20
Til: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Emne: [dba-Tech] Sticky "ghost" partion on SSD

Hi all

My Kingston SSDNow 64 GB SSD once was restored using Windows Restore in
Hyper-V with a partition of 15 GB.

It was then mounted in my ThinkStation with Win7 which, of course, could see
that partition.
However, it could not erase that partion to create a new of the full
capacity of the drive, ~64 GB.

So I moved the drive to first one (with Hyper-V Server), then another
machine (with Win8) and both could create and view a partion of ~64 GB.

However, when I move the drive back to the ThinkStation, it still believes
the old 15 GB partion is there.
How can I tell the ThinkStation to refresh the partion information?

/gustav 


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From marklbreen at gmail.com  Sat Aug 10 03:16:28 2013
From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen)
Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2013 09:16:28 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Sticky "ghost" partion on SSD
In-Reply-To: <000001ce951e$6dc249d0$4946dd70$@cactus.dk>
References: <000001ce951e$6dc249d0$4946dd70$@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <CAGXtTCjiOe++mCG+EXZp2SP6FWxsufwLkBS+wUPX7rw_f7raww@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Gustav,

I have played with a utility named GParted which was quite good.

I also used it to assist me in partitioning a 3TB drive in Windows 2012 -
this was not easy the first time I did it.  Windows does not like
partitions above 2TB.  However, with careful sequencing of the preparation
of the drive, you can make it work.

When we broke the 2GB drive barrier 10 years ago, I thought it would be the
last time.  Seems it is back again.

Mark




On 9 August 2013 17:35, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Hi all
>
> I moved the drive to the ThinkStation, booted with the Hyper-V install cd,
> and reformatted the drive at the full size of ~64 GB.
>
> Then I shut the machine down, reconnected all drives and booted. Now the
> Kingston SSD showed up with the correct partitions.
> Problem solved.
>
> /gustav
>
> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Gustav Brock
> Sendt: 9. august 2013 13:20
> Til: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
> Emne: [dba-Tech] Sticky "ghost" partion on SSD
>
> Hi all
>
> My Kingston SSDNow 64 GB SSD once was restored using Windows Restore in
> Hyper-V with a partition of 15 GB.
>
> It was then mounted in my ThinkStation with Win7 which, of course, could
> see
> that partition.
> However, it could not erase that partion to create a new of the full
> capacity of the drive, ~64 GB.
>
> So I moved the drive to first one (with Hyper-V Server), then another
> machine (with Win8) and both could create and view a partion of ~64 GB.
>
> However, when I move the drive back to the ThinkStation, it still believes
> the old 15 GB partion is there.
> How can I tell the ThinkStation to refresh the partion information?
>
> /gustav
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
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>

From Gustav at cactus.dk  Sat Aug 10 03:47:26 2013
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2013 10:47:26 +0200
Subject: [dba-Tech] Sticky "ghost" partion on SSD
Message-ID: <s2061a54.050@cactus.dk>

Hi Mark

The show moves on.

But we see some progress. I remember when we at a DOS prompt opened Debug and then typed the magic g=c800:5 and it took a while to low-level format a 20 MB MFM harddisk.

Debug and Edlin (the command line text editor which could do real magic) are now gone.

/gustav


>>> marklbreen at gmail.com 10-08-13 10:16 >>>
Hi Gustav,

I have played with a utility named GParted which was quite good.

I also used it to assist me in partitioning a 3TB drive in Windows 2012 -
this was not easy the first time I did it.  Windows does not like
partitions above 2TB.  However, with careful sequencing of the preparation
of the drive, you can make it work.

When we broke the 2GB drive barrier 10 years ago, I thought it would be the
last time.  Seems it is back again.

Mark




On 9 August 2013 17:35, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Hi all
>
> I moved the drive to the ThinkStation, booted with the Hyper-V install cd,
> and reformatted the drive at the full size of ~64 GB.
>
> Then I shut the machine down, reconnected all drives and booted. Now the
> Kingston SSD showed up with the correct partitions.
> Problem solved.
>
> /gustav
>
> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Gustav Brock
> Sendt: 9. august 2013 13:20
> Til: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
> Emne: [dba-Tech] Sticky "ghost" partion on SSD
>
> Hi all
>
> My Kingston SSDNow 64 GB SSD once was restored using Windows Restore in
> Hyper-V with a partition of 15 GB.
>
> It was then mounted in my ThinkStation with Win7 which, of course, could see
> that partition.
> However, it could not erase that partion to create a new of the full
> capacity of the drive, ~64 GB.
>
> So I moved the drive to first one (with Hyper-V Server), then another
> machine (with Win8) and both could create and view a partion of ~64 GB.
>
> However, when I move the drive back to the ThinkStation, it still believes
> the old 15 GB partion is there.
> How can I tell the ThinkStation to refresh the partion information?
>
> /gustav



From accessd at shaw.ca  Sat Aug 10 11:57:46 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2013 10:57:46 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Sticky "ghost" partion on SSD
In-Reply-To: <s2061a54.050@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <833712411.27147358.1376153866487.JavaMail.root@cds002>

Hi Gustav:

You remember that stuff? ;-) 

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <Gustav at cactus.dk>
To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2013 1:47:26 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Sticky "ghost" partion on SSD

Hi Mark

The show moves on.

But we see some progress. I remember when we at a DOS prompt opened Debug and then typed the magic g=c800:5 and it took a while to low-level format a 20 MB MFM harddisk.

Debug and Edlin (the command line text editor which could do real magic) are now gone.

/gustav


>>> marklbreen at gmail.com 10-08-13 10:16 >>>
Hi Gustav,

I have played with a utility named GParted which was quite good.

I also used it to assist me in partitioning a 3TB drive in Windows 2012 -
this was not easy the first time I did it.  Windows does not like
partitions above 2TB.  However, with careful sequencing of the preparation
of the drive, you can make it work.

When we broke the 2GB drive barrier 10 years ago, I thought it would be the
last time.  Seems it is back again.

Mark




On 9 August 2013 17:35, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Hi all
>
> I moved the drive to the ThinkStation, booted with the Hyper-V install cd,
> and reformatted the drive at the full size of ~64 GB.
>
> Then I shut the machine down, reconnected all drives and booted. Now the
> Kingston SSD showed up with the correct partitions.
> Problem solved.
>
> /gustav
>
> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Gustav Brock
> Sendt: 9. august 2013 13:20
> Til: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
> Emne: [dba-Tech] Sticky "ghost" partion on SSD
>
> Hi all
>
> My Kingston SSDNow 64 GB SSD once was restored using Windows Restore in
> Hyper-V with a partition of 15 GB.
>
> It was then mounted in my ThinkStation with Win7 which, of course, could see
> that partition.
> However, it could not erase that partion to create a new of the full
> capacity of the drive, ~64 GB.
>
> So I moved the drive to first one (with Hyper-V Server), then another
> machine (with Win8) and both could create and view a partion of ~64 GB.
>
> However, when I move the drive back to the ThinkStation, it still believes
> the old 15 GB partion is there.
> How can I tell the ThinkStation to refresh the partion information?
>
> /gustav


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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Sat Aug 10 12:07:43 2013
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2013 13:07:43 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Sticky "ghost" partion on SSD
In-Reply-To: <833712411.27147358.1376153866487.JavaMail.root@cds002>
References: <s2061a54.050@cactus.dk>
	<833712411.27147358.1376153866487.JavaMail.root@cds002>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1hVP5sMbrHghR6=saqKk_4Qc2m4_-k2uvJnJ-6-BqGKKQ@mail.gmail.com>

So do I. My problem is short-term memory. Hell, I still remember the serial
number of my first bicycle. purchased about 60 years ago. Problem is, I
can't remember what I had for breakfast, or even if I had any. If I did,
chances are it was Cheerios, or maybe eggs. Don't know.


On Sat, Aug 10, 2013 at 12:57 PM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> Hi Gustav:
>
> You remember that stuff? ;-)
>
> Jim
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gustav Brock" <Gustav at cactus.dk>
> To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
> Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2013 1:47:26 AM
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Sticky "ghost" partion on SSD
>
> Hi Mark
>
> The show moves on.
>
> But we see some progress. I remember when we at a DOS prompt opened Debug
> and then typed the magic g=c800:5 and it took a while to low-level format a
> 20 MB MFM harddisk.
>
> Debug and Edlin (the command line text editor which could do real magic)
> are now gone.
>
> /gustav
>
>
> >>> marklbreen at gmail.com 10-08-13 10:16 >>>
> Hi Gustav,
>
> I have played with a utility named GParted which was quite good.
>
> I also used it to assist me in partitioning a 3TB drive in Windows 2012 -
> this was not easy the first time I did it.  Windows does not like
> partitions above 2TB.  However, with careful sequencing of the preparation
> of the drive, you can make it work.
>
> When we broke the 2GB drive barrier 10 years ago, I thought it would be the
> last time.  Seems it is back again.
>
> Mark
>
>
>
>
> On 9 August 2013 17:35, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
>
> > Hi all
> >
> > I moved the drive to the ThinkStation, booted with the Hyper-V install
> cd,
> > and reformatted the drive at the full size of ~64 GB.
> >
> > Then I shut the machine down, reconnected all drives and booted. Now the
> > Kingston SSD showed up with the correct partitions.
> > Problem solved.
> >
> > /gustav
> >
> > -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> > Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Gustav Brock
> > Sendt: 9. august 2013 13:20
> > Til: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
> > Emne: [dba-Tech] Sticky "ghost" partion on SSD
> >
> > Hi all
> >
> > My Kingston SSDNow 64 GB SSD once was restored using Windows Restore in
> > Hyper-V with a partition of 15 GB.
> >
> > It was then mounted in my ThinkStation with Win7 which, of course, could
> see
> > that partition.
> > However, it could not erase that partion to create a new of the full
> > capacity of the drive, ~64 GB.
> >
> > So I moved the drive to first one (with Hyper-V Server), then another
> > machine (with Win8) and both could create and view a partion of ~64 GB.
> >
> > However, when I move the drive back to the ThinkStation, it still
> believes
> > the old 15 GB partion is there.
> > How can I tell the ThinkStation to refresh the partion information?
> >
> > /gustav
>
>
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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Sat Aug 10 12:13:29 2013
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2013 19:13:29 +0200
Subject: [dba-Tech] Sticky "ghost" partion on SSD
Message-ID: <s20690fb.054@cactus.dk>

Hi Jim

Some of it. You could do magic with piping and self generating batch files. PC Magazine had a monthly column with a lot of tricks. 
Today you would use PowerShell or similar.

/gustav


>>> accessd at shaw.ca 10-08-13 18:57 >>>
Hi Gustav:

You remember that stuff? ;-) 

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <Gustav at cactus.dk>
To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2013 1:47:26 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Sticky "ghost" partion on SSD

Hi Mark

The show moves on.

But we see some progress. I remember when we at a DOS prompt opened Debug and then typed the magic g=c800:5 and it took a while to low-level format a 20 MB MFM harddisk.

Debug and Edlin (the command line text editor which could do real magic) are now gone.

/gustav


>>> marklbreen at gmail.com 10-08-13 10:16 >>>
Hi Gustav,

I have played with a utility named GParted which was quite good.

I also used it to assist me in partitioning a 3TB drive in Windows 2012 -
this was not easy the first time I did it.  Windows does not like
partitions above 2TB.  However, with careful sequencing of the preparation
of the drive, you can make it work.

When we broke the 2GB drive barrier 10 years ago, I thought it would be the
last time.  Seems it is back again.

Mark




On 9 August 2013 17:35, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Hi all
>
> I moved the drive to the ThinkStation, booted with the Hyper-V install cd,
> and reformatted the drive at the full size of ~64 GB.
>
> Then I shut the machine down, reconnected all drives and booted. Now the
> Kingston SSD showed up with the correct partitions.
> Problem solved.
>
> /gustav
>
> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Gustav Brock
> Sendt: 9. august 2013 13:20
> Til: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
> Emne: [dba-Tech] Sticky "ghost" partion on SSD
>
> Hi all
>
> My Kingston SSDNow 64 GB SSD once was restored using Windows Restore in
> Hyper-V with a partition of 15 GB.
>
> It was then mounted in my ThinkStation with Win7 which, of course, could see
> that partition.
> However, it could not erase that partion to create a new of the full
> capacity of the drive, ~64 GB.
>
> So I moved the drive to first one (with Hyper-V Server), then another
> machine (with Win8) and both could create and view a partion of ~64 GB.
>
> However, when I move the drive back to the ThinkStation, it still believes
> the old 15 GB partion is there.
> How can I tell the ThinkStation to refresh the partion information?
>
> /gustav



From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Sat Aug 10 12:19:36 2013
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2013 13:19:36 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Sticky "ghost" partion on SSD
In-Reply-To: <s20690fb.054@cactus.dk>
References: <s20690fb.054@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1iCdMUqU4fN=_SJYnUVAtHQ8vqe3yOP-epgDH456ckMww@mail.gmail.com>

Way back when, my partner Peter Brawley and I were batch-file virtuosos.
100-line batch files, no problem. I fondly recall those days when the
command line was king.


On Sat, Aug 10, 2013 at 1:13 PM, Gustav Brock <Gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Hi Jim
>
> Some of it. You could do magic with piping and self generating batch
> files. PC Magazine had a monthly column with a lot of tricks.
> Today you would use PowerShell or similar.
>
> /gustav
>
>
> >>> accessd at shaw.ca 10-08-13 18:57 >>>
> Hi Gustav:
>
> You remember that stuff? ;-)
>
> Jim
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gustav Brock" <Gustav at cactus.dk>
> To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
> Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2013 1:47:26 AM
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Sticky "ghost" partion on SSD
>
> Hi Mark
>
> The show moves on.
>
> But we see some progress. I remember when we at a DOS prompt opened Debug
> and then typed the magic g=c800:5 and it took a while to low-level format a
> 20 MB MFM harddisk.
>
> Debug and Edlin (the command line text editor which could do real magic)
> are now gone.
>
> /gustav
>
>
> >>> marklbreen at gmail.com 10-08-13 10:16 >>>
> Hi Gustav,
>
> I have played with a utility named GParted which was quite good.
>
> I also used it to assist me in partitioning a 3TB drive in Windows 2012 -
> this was not easy the first time I did it.  Windows does not like
> partitions above 2TB.  However, with careful sequencing of the preparation
> of the drive, you can make it work.
>
> When we broke the 2GB drive barrier 10 years ago, I thought it would be the
> last time.  Seems it is back again.
>
> Mark
>
>
>
>
> On 9 August 2013 17:35, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
>
> > Hi all
> >
> > I moved the drive to the ThinkStation, booted with the Hyper-V install
> cd,
> > and reformatted the drive at the full size of ~64 GB.
> >
> > Then I shut the machine down, reconnected all drives and booted. Now the
> > Kingston SSD showed up with the correct partitions.
> > Problem solved.
> >
> > /gustav
> >
> > -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> > Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Gustav Brock
> > Sendt: 9. august 2013 13:20
> > Til: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
> > Emne: [dba-Tech] Sticky "ghost" partion on SSD
> >
> > Hi all
> >
> > My Kingston SSDNow 64 GB SSD once was restored using Windows Restore in
> > Hyper-V with a partition of 15 GB.
> >
> > It was then mounted in my ThinkStation with Win7 which, of course, could
> see
> > that partition.
> > However, it could not erase that partion to create a new of the full
> > capacity of the drive, ~64 GB.
> >
> > So I moved the drive to first one (with Hyper-V Server), then another
> > machine (with Win8) and both could create and view a partion of ~64 GB.
> >
> > However, when I move the drive back to the ThinkStation, it still
> believes
> > the old 15 GB partion is there.
> > How can I tell the ThinkStation to refresh the partion information?
> >
> > /gustav
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
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>



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Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
  -- Niels Bohr

From accessd at shaw.ca  Sat Aug 10 12:33:14 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2013 11:33:14 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Sticky "ghost" partion on SSD
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1hVP5sMbrHghR6=saqKk_4Qc2m4_-k2uvJnJ-6-BqGKKQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <171950609.27169175.1376155994089.JavaMail.root@cds002>

Yeah, gone are the days when I could remember two floors of IP addresses or had to. 

Have for breakfast?...now that is an easy one; Granola, same breakfast going on forty years. ;-)

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Arthur Fuller" <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2013 10:07:43 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Sticky "ghost" partion on SSD

So do I. My problem is short-term memory. Hell, I still remember the serial
number of my first bicycle. purchased about 60 years ago. Problem is, I
can't remember what I had for breakfast, or even if I had any. If I did,
chances are it was Cheerios, or maybe eggs. Don't know.


On Sat, Aug 10, 2013 at 12:57 PM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> Hi Gustav:
>
> You remember that stuff? ;-)
>
> Jim
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gustav Brock" <Gustav at cactus.dk>
> To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
> Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2013 1:47:26 AM
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Sticky "ghost" partion on SSD
>
> Hi Mark
>
> The show moves on.
>
> But we see some progress. I remember when we at a DOS prompt opened Debug
> and then typed the magic g=c800:5 and it took a while to low-level format a
> 20 MB MFM harddisk.
>
> Debug and Edlin (the command line text editor which could do real magic)
> are now gone.
>
> /gustav
>
>
> >>> marklbreen at gmail.com 10-08-13 10:16 >>>
> Hi Gustav,
>
> I have played with a utility named GParted which was quite good.
>
> I also used it to assist me in partitioning a 3TB drive in Windows 2012 -
> this was not easy the first time I did it.  Windows does not like
> partitions above 2TB.  However, with careful sequencing of the preparation
> of the drive, you can make it work.
>
> When we broke the 2GB drive barrier 10 years ago, I thought it would be the
> last time.  Seems it is back again.
>
> Mark
>
>
>
>
> On 9 August 2013 17:35, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
>
> > Hi all
> >
> > I moved the drive to the ThinkStation, booted with the Hyper-V install
> cd,
> > and reformatted the drive at the full size of ~64 GB.
> >
> > Then I shut the machine down, reconnected all drives and booted. Now the
> > Kingston SSD showed up with the correct partitions.
> > Problem solved.
> >
> > /gustav
> >
> > -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> > Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Gustav Brock
> > Sendt: 9. august 2013 13:20
> > Til: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
> > Emne: [dba-Tech] Sticky "ghost" partion on SSD
> >
> > Hi all
> >
> > My Kingston SSDNow 64 GB SSD once was restored using Windows Restore in
> > Hyper-V with a partition of 15 GB.
> >
> > It was then mounted in my ThinkStation with Win7 which, of course, could
> see
> > that partition.
> > However, it could not erase that partion to create a new of the full
> > capacity of the drive, ~64 GB.
> >
> > So I moved the drive to first one (with Hyper-V Server), then another
> > machine (with Win8) and both could create and view a partion of ~64 GB.
> >
> > However, when I move the drive back to the ThinkStation, it still
> believes
> > the old 15 GB partion is there.
> > How can I tell the ThinkStation to refresh the partion information?
> >
> > /gustav
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sat Aug 10 13:00:25 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2013 12:00:25 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Sticky "ghost" partion on SSD
In-Reply-To: <s20690fb.054@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <1572067286.27180589.1376157625028.JavaMail.root@cds002>

Hi Gustav:

I had a 5.25 disk(s) with a host of batch files, standard menus and drive specifications for every occasion.
 
When still working, most sites did their installs and upgrades via some very impressive batch files. The clients I still support have all their over-night routines built in batch files...they are easy to maintain, reliable and very fast.
 
I always liked when Windows sat on top of a DOS shell. PowerShell is what DOS should have morphed into and then adding all the multiuser and security features. Mind you, if we did we would now have a Windows built just like Linux. To my way of thinking not a particularly bad thing. Then a person could just throw on another distro to suit their needs and budget.

Microsoft's Hyper-V server engine is making a good start in that direction...with a couple of simple OS Distros with Wizards for those not wanting to assemble batch files for common tasks.

Jim      

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <Gustav at cactus.dk>
To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2013 10:13:29 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Sticky "ghost" partion on SSD

Hi Jim

Some of it. You could do magic with piping and self generating batch files. PC Magazine had a monthly column with a lot of tricks. 
Today you would use PowerShell or similar.

/gustav


>>> accessd at shaw.ca 10-08-13 18:57 >>>
Hi Gustav:

You remember that stuff? ;-) 

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <Gustav at cactus.dk>
To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2013 1:47:26 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Sticky "ghost" partion on SSD

Hi Mark

The show moves on.

But we see some progress. I remember when we at a DOS prompt opened Debug and then typed the magic g=c800:5 and it took a while to low-level format a 20 MB MFM harddisk.

Debug and Edlin (the command line text editor which could do real magic) are now gone.

/gustav


>>> marklbreen at gmail.com 10-08-13 10:16 >>>
Hi Gustav,

I have played with a utility named GParted which was quite good.

I also used it to assist me in partitioning a 3TB drive in Windows 2012 -
this was not easy the first time I did it.  Windows does not like
partitions above 2TB.  However, with careful sequencing of the preparation
of the drive, you can make it work.

When we broke the 2GB drive barrier 10 years ago, I thought it would be the
last time.  Seems it is back again.

Mark




On 9 August 2013 17:35, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Hi all
>
> I moved the drive to the ThinkStation, booted with the Hyper-V install cd,
> and reformatted the drive at the full size of ~64 GB.
>
> Then I shut the machine down, reconnected all drives and booted. Now the
> Kingston SSD showed up with the correct partitions.
> Problem solved.
>
> /gustav
>
> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Gustav Brock
> Sendt: 9. august 2013 13:20
> Til: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
> Emne: [dba-Tech] Sticky "ghost" partion on SSD
>
> Hi all
>
> My Kingston SSDNow 64 GB SSD once was restored using Windows Restore in
> Hyper-V with a partition of 15 GB.
>
> It was then mounted in my ThinkStation with Win7 which, of course, could see
> that partition.
> However, it could not erase that partion to create a new of the full
> capacity of the drive, ~64 GB.
>
> So I moved the drive to first one (with Hyper-V Server), then another
> machine (with Win8) and both could create and view a partion of ~64 GB.
>
> However, when I move the drive back to the ThinkStation, it still believes
> the old 15 GB partion is there.
> How can I tell the ThinkStation to refresh the partion information?
>
> /gustav


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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Sat Aug 10 14:06:00 2013
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2013 21:06:00 +0200
Subject: [dba-Tech] Sticky "ghost" partion on SSD
Message-ID: <s206ab5d.055@cactus.dk>

Hi Jim

Yes, today they are fast. But I recall that 100-line batch files as those Arthur and Peter made could be slow when run from floppy or the old 10 MB XT harddrive because they are read line by line. So if you made a call to something else in line 60 it would at the return read one line a time from the first line until it found line 60. 
I don't know if it still is so, but today with caching and so much faster drives you will not notice, of course.

As for the Hyper-V Server 2012 - I think I have made a note on it earlier - this is a stellar and absolutely free product. It installs in minutes on a +30 GB drive and features a full file server with physical and/or virtual drives, complete Active Directory integration for control and user access, full (bare metal) system backup and recovery, full remote control, configuration, and monitoring, and - of course and if your hardware permits - hosting of virtual machines.

Even though not labelled "Windows" it will run many Windows applications if these are not too fancy.

Go and get the iso file for the dvd if you haven't done so already.

/gustav

>>> accessd at shaw.ca 10-08-13 20:00 >>>
Hi Gustav:

I had a 5.25 disk(s) with a host of batch files, standard menus and drive specifications for every occasion.
 
When still working, most sites did their installs and upgrades via some very impressive batch files. The clients I still support have all their over-night routines built in batch files...they are easy to maintain, reliable and very fast.
 
I always liked when Windows sat on top of a DOS shell. PowerShell is what DOS should have morphed into and then adding all the multiuser and security features. Mind you, if we did we would now have a Windows built just like Linux. To my way of thinking not a particularly bad thing. Then a person could just throw on another distro to suit their needs and budget.

Microsoft's Hyper-V server engine is making a good start in that direction...with a couple of simple OS Distros with Wizards for those not wanting to assemble batch files for common tasks.

Jim      

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <Gustav at cactus.dk>
To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2013 10:13:29 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Sticky "ghost" partion on SSD

Hi Jim

Some of it. You could do magic with piping and self generating batch files. PC Magazine had a monthly column with a lot of tricks. 
Today you would use PowerShell or similar.

/gustav


>>> accessd at shaw.ca 10-08-13 18:57 >>>
Hi Gustav:

You remember that stuff? ;-) 

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <Gustav at cactus.dk>
To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2013 1:47:26 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Sticky "ghost" partion on SSD

Hi Mark

The show moves on.

But we see some progress. I remember when we at a DOS prompt opened Debug and then typed the magic g=c800:5 and it took a while to low-level format a 20 MB MFM harddisk.

Debug and Edlin (the command line text editor which could do real magic) are now gone.

/gustav


From accessd at shaw.ca  Sat Aug 10 15:06:57 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2013 14:06:57 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Sticky "ghost" partion on SSD
In-Reply-To: <s206ab5d.055@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <922320719.27248747.1376165217277.JavaMail.root@cds002>

Hi Gustav:

But at 4.47 MHz everything was slow. Started my batch building life on PDP\VAX in VMS macro, job scripts and control languages...slow too (add in reel to reel backups). Many processes ran over night or through whole weekends. Always installed a new box of paper before leaving on the weekend...and would check-in remotely to see if there was any more paper in the box...generally a good sign of an error.

The Hyper-V Server is on my TODO list. I think I have the ISO downloaded somewhere...

Right now I have been working on making Ubuntu Linux boxes that completely co-exist within a Windows environment. Active-directory, file and drive sharing, Linux Hamachi, RDP client and server, MS Access with LibraOffice and a MariaDB BE, standardized backup and restores, Skype, ZIP, PDF, YouTube Flash and with a batch/script file(s) that will re-initialize the OSS regardless of which desktop the extra ISO is installed on. For the most part it is working fine except for some unexpected path and file resolution issues...but that is to be expected of course.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <Gustav at cactus.dk>
To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2013 12:06:00 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Sticky "ghost" partion on SSD

Hi Jim

Yes, today they are fast. But I recall that 100-line batch files as those Arthur and Peter made could be slow when run from floppy or the old 10 MB XT harddrive because they are read line by line. So if you made a call to something else in line 60 it would at the return read one line a time from the first line until it found line 60. 
I don't know if it still is so, but today with caching and so much faster drives you will not notice, of course.

As for the Hyper-V Server 2012 - I think I have made a note on it earlier - this is a stellar and absolutely free product. It installs in minutes on a +30 GB drive and features a full file server with physical and/or virtual drives, complete Active Directory integration for control and user access, full (bare metal) system backup and recovery, full remote control, configuration, and monitoring, and - of course and if your hardware permits - hosting of virtual machines.

Even though not labelled "Windows" it will run many Windows applications if these are not too fancy.

Go and get the iso file for the dvd if you haven't done so already.

/gustav

>>> accessd at shaw.ca 10-08-13 20:00 >>>
Hi Gustav:

I had a 5.25 disk(s) with a host of batch files, standard menus and drive specifications for every occasion.
 
When still working, most sites did their installs and upgrades via some very impressive batch files. The clients I still support have all their over-night routines built in batch files...they are easy to maintain, reliable and very fast.
 
I always liked when Windows sat on top of a DOS shell. PowerShell is what DOS should have morphed into and then adding all the multiuser and security features. Mind you, if we did we would now have a Windows built just like Linux. To my way of thinking not a particularly bad thing. Then a person could just throw on another distro to suit their needs and budget.

Microsoft's Hyper-V server engine is making a good start in that direction...with a couple of simple OS Distros with Wizards for those not wanting to assemble batch files for common tasks.

Jim      

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <Gustav at cactus.dk>
To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2013 10:13:29 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Sticky "ghost" partion on SSD

Hi Jim

Some of it. You could do magic with piping and self generating batch files. PC Magazine had a monthly column with a lot of tricks. 
Today you would use PowerShell or similar.

/gustav


>>> accessd at shaw.ca 10-08-13 18:57 >>>
Hi Gustav:

You remember that stuff? ;-) 

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <Gustav at cactus.dk>
To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2013 1:47:26 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Sticky "ghost" partion on SSD

Hi Mark

The show moves on.

But we see some progress. I remember when we at a DOS prompt opened Debug and then typed the magic g=c800:5 and it took a while to low-level format a 20 MB MFM harddisk.

Debug and Edlin (the command line text editor which could do real magic) are now gone.

/gustav

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From jbartow at winhaven.net  Sat Aug 10 21:22:52 2013
From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow)
Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2013 21:22:52 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Sticky "ghost" partion on SSD
In-Reply-To: <833712411.27147358.1376153866487.JavaMail.root@cds002>
References: <s2061a54.050@cactus.dk>
	<833712411.27147358.1376153866487.JavaMail.root@cds002>
Message-ID: <039201ce9639$af1b5770$0d520650$@winhaven.net>

I was just using dos commands for something on Win 7 or 8. I didn't remember the exact syntax so I used " | more" which works but then tried " | page".

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2013 11:58 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Sticky "ghost" partion on SSD

Hi Gustav:

You remember that stuff? ;-) 

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <Gustav at cactus.dk>
To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2013 1:47:26 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Sticky "ghost" partion on SSD

Hi Mark

The show moves on.

But we see some progress. I remember when we at a DOS prompt opened Debug and then typed the magic g=c800:5 and it took a while to low-level format a 20 MB MFM harddisk.

Debug and Edlin (the command line text editor which could do real magic) are now gone.

/gustav


>>> marklbreen at gmail.com 10-08-13 10:16 >>>
Hi Gustav,

I have played with a utility named GParted which was quite good.

I also used it to assist me in partitioning a 3TB drive in Windows 2012 - this was not easy the first time I did it.  Windows does not like partitions above 2TB.  However, with careful sequencing of the preparation of the drive, you can make it work.

When we broke the 2GB drive barrier 10 years ago, I thought it would be the last time.  Seems it is back again.

Mark




On 9 August 2013 17:35, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Hi all
>
> I moved the drive to the ThinkStation, booted with the Hyper-V install 
> cd, and reformatted the drive at the full size of ~64 GB.
>
> Then I shut the machine down, reconnected all drives and booted. Now 
> the Kingston SSD showed up with the correct partitions.
> Problem solved.
>
> /gustav
>
> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Gustav 
> Brock
> Sendt: 9. august 2013 13:20
> Til: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
> Emne: [dba-Tech] Sticky "ghost" partion on SSD
>
> Hi all
>
> My Kingston SSDNow 64 GB SSD once was restored using Windows Restore 
> in Hyper-V with a partition of 15 GB.
>
> It was then mounted in my ThinkStation with Win7 which, of course, 
> could see that partition.
> However, it could not erase that partion to create a new of the full 
> capacity of the drive, ~64 GB.
>
> So I moved the drive to first one (with Hyper-V Server), then another 
> machine (with Win8) and both could create and view a partion of ~64 GB.
>
> However, when I move the drive back to the ThinkStation, it still 
> believes the old 15 GB partion is there.
> How can I tell the ThinkStation to refresh the partion information?
>
> /gustav


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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sat Aug 10 22:41:16 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2013 21:41:16 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] The iPhone and Samsung wars go on and on and on...
In-Reply-To: <52039462.7070001@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <1438332264.27410851.1376192476847.JavaMail.root@cds002>

It is about time that the Samsung iPhones wars ended.

They are becoming ridiculous and neither side will ever surrender and they have the billions to drag it on for centuries if need be. Things have been so stupid that even Obama had to step in or legally the iPhone would not be allowed to be sold in the US. The current patent system is so flawed but no one has to follow the insanity down the rabbit hole:

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505124_162-57597633/samsung-and-apple-high-techs-punch-and-judy/

Jim

From accessd at shaw.ca  Sat Aug 10 22:51:31 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2013 21:51:31 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] The MySQL war
In-Reply-To: <1438332264.27410851.1376192476847.JavaMail.root@cds002>
Message-ID: <1380533468.27413915.1376193091481.JavaMail.root@cds002>

It looks like Google has thrown its support in behind the new MySQL fork of MariaDB.

It is not major support, at the moment, mostly symbolic but there is undoubtedly more to come. Google has always got perverse pleasure out stripping the ground out from under another competitor and now it is taking its first swing at Oracle, who according to the latest business reviews has been hit hard by it creeping NoSQL and PostgresSQL competitors. 

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/08/08/google_backs_mariadb/

Jim


From marklbreen at gmail.com  Sun Aug 11 02:59:38 2013
From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen)
Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2013 08:59:38 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] How to get data of 16 year old 5 1/4 inch floppy
Message-ID: <CAGXtTCieqdsCx2qT+sYben3sNGFxTp_1zDrxcUiYmvUjL60Bgg@mail.gmail.com>

Hello All,

Any idea how I can read an old 51/4 inch floppy disk ?

I can find a specialist company if necessary but it would be nice to be
able to do it myself

Mark

From Gustav at cactus.dk  Sun Aug 11 03:44:55 2013
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2013 10:44:55 +0200
Subject: [dba-Tech] How to get data of 16 year old 5 1/4 inch	floppy
Message-ID: <s2076b53.057@cactus.dk>

Hi Mark

I have kept a couple of 5.25" drives. However, these days trouble would also be to find an old Pentium-type machine with a FDD controller _and_ the cable with two different connectors, but I think I have both somewhere. 

If you are desperate enough, I would gladly try to locate the parts ...

/gustav

>>> marklbreen at gmail.com 11-08-13 9:59 >>>
Hello All,

Any idea how I can read an old 51/4 inch floppy disk ?

I can find a specialist company if necessary but it would be nice to be
able to do it myself

Mark


From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Sun Aug 11 08:54:44 2013
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2013 06:54:44 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] How to get data of 16 year old 5 1/4 inch floppy
In-Reply-To: <CAGXtTCieqdsCx2qT+sYben3sNGFxTp_1zDrxcUiYmvUjL60Bgg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGXtTCieqdsCx2qT+sYben3sNGFxTp_1zDrxcUiYmvUjL60Bgg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D6702A6E3670465B99F7D97EFFCAE657@HAL9007>

Failing all else I might try to find an old external - or even internal - 5
1/4 on eBay.  Maybe a computer repair shop would have one and could read the
disk for you?  I assume this is a one-shot deal.

R
 

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2013 1:00 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] How to get data of 16 year old 5 1/4 inch floppy

Hello All,

Any idea how I can read an old 51/4 inch floppy disk ?

I can find a specialist company if necessary but it would be nice to be able
to do it myself

Mark
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Sun Aug 11 09:56:08 2013
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2013 10:56:08 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Gmail question
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1i4X4NmGV4V5oo7xugpAfrfnf7JbfhYoUxUsicyAw=ugA@mail.gmail.com>

What are the commands to make to make the font size in Gmail larger or
smaller?

-- 
Arthur
Cell: 647.710.1314

Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
  -- Niels Bohr

From accessd at shaw.ca  Sun Aug 11 10:14:56 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2013 09:14:56 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] How to get data of 16 year old 5 1/4 inch floppy
In-Reply-To: <CAGXtTCieqdsCx2qT+sYben3sNGFxTp_1zDrxcUiYmvUjL60Bgg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1032528155.27583493.1376234096830.JavaMail.root@cds002>

Hi Mark:

Being an old pack-rat, I believe I do have one(?). I have no idea where it is or if it works but it worked when it was removed but that was many years ago. Of course you may not be able to find the hardware or drivers to match it.

Send me a note off-line.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Breen" <marklbreen at gmail.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2013 12:59:38 AM
Subject: [dba-Tech] How to get data of 16 year old 5 1/4 inch floppy

Hello All,

Any idea how I can read an old 51/4 inch floppy disk ?

I can find a specialist company if necessary but it would be nice to be
able to do it myself

Mark
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From jbartow at winhaven.net  Sun Aug 11 11:36:52 2013
From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow)
Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2013 11:36:52 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] The iPhone and Samsung wars go on and on and on...
In-Reply-To: <1438332264.27410851.1376192476847.JavaMail.root@cds002>
References: <52039462.7070001@torchlake.com>
	<1438332264.27410851.1376192476847.JavaMail.root@cds002>
Message-ID: <006401ce96b0$fce15780$f6a40680$@winhaven.net>

Everyone should just get a Windows 8 phone and be done with it.

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2013 10:41 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] The iPhone and Samsung wars go on and on and on...

It is about time that the Samsung iPhones wars ended.

They are becoming ridiculous and neither side will ever surrender and they
have the billions to drag it on for centuries if need be. Things have been
so stupid that even Obama had to step in or legally the iPhone would not be
allowed to be sold in the US. The current patent system is so flawed but no
one has to follow the insanity down the rabbit hole:

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505124_162-57597633/samsung-and-apple-high-techs
-punch-and-judy/

Jim
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sun Aug 11 11:46:51 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2013 10:46:51 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Gmail question
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1i4X4NmGV4V5oo7xugpAfrfnf7JbfhYoUxUsicyAw=ugA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <581331842.27634081.1376239611436.JavaMail.root@cds002>

Hi Arthur:

I was hoping there was none. Who wants a reply in 20 point font or who can read 4 point font?
Besides you can just press ctrl and + for larger and ctrl and - for smaller if you have misplaced your glasses. ;-)

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Arthur Fuller" <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2013 7:56:08 AM
Subject: [dba-Tech] Gmail question

What are the commands to make to make the font size in Gmail larger or
smaller?

-- 
Arthur
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Sun Aug 11 12:03:00 2013
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2013 13:03:00 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Gmail question
In-Reply-To: <581331842.27634081.1376239611436.JavaMail.root@cds002>
References: <CAEPJO1i4X4NmGV4V5oo7xugpAfrfnf7JbfhYoUxUsicyAw=ugA@mail.gmail.com>
	<581331842.27634081.1376239611436.JavaMail.root@cds002>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1j5h7-sE9ORN7Sb=b9vHDNc2L6_3qwPROROpfzBA4bNAg@mail.gmail.com>

Jim,

I tried those commands on my shiny new laptop but they did not work. My,
my, computers have come a long way. My shiny new laptop has 8GB of RAM and
1 TB of hard disk, plus a pair of external USB drives (250GB and 1TB) --
and and a second 23"  monitor in stretch mode. Cool!

A.


From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Sun Aug 11 12:12:38 2013
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2013 18:12:38 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] The iPhone and Samsung wars go on and on and on...
Message-ID: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB082959C585D760E@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk>

Got one. Got a surface rt in work. Most impressive. Have a work iPad and it beats it hands down. Can actually work on it including server remotes.

Martin

Sent from my Windows Phone
________________________________
From: John R Bartow
Sent: 11/08/2013 17:37
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] The iPhone and Samsung wars go on and on and on...

Everyone should just get a Windows 8 phone and be done with it.

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2013 10:41 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] The iPhone and Samsung wars go on and on and on...

It is about time that the Samsung iPhones wars ended.

They are becoming ridiculous and neither side will ever surrender and they
have the billions to drag it on for centuries if need be. Things have been
so stupid that even Obama had to step in or legally the iPhone would not be
allowed to be sold in the US. The current patent system is so flawed but no
one has to follow the insanity down the rabbit hole:

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505124_162-57597633/samsung-and-apple-high-techs
-punch-and-judy/

Jim
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sun Aug 11 12:22:10 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2013 11:22:10 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] The iPhone and Samsung wars go on and on and on...
In-Reply-To: <006401ce96b0$fce15780$f6a40680$@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <1380115042.27654154.1376241730156.JavaMail.root@cds002>

Windows can't loss on this whole venture as long as they keep their heads down and remain quiet.

Any losses between iPhone and Samsung are irrelevant to MS...after all Microsoft makes money on every Android phone in the world through a patient infringement kick-back scheme. Once the war between Apple and Samsung is over then the team of Google and Samsung will direct their energies against Microsoft. 

I have no dog in the race or care little about the out come but these corporate world wars, I am concerned, will cost us all a pretty penny in the long run. 

Jim
 
----- Original Message -----
From: "John R Bartow" <jbartow at winhaven.net>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2013 9:36:52 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] The iPhone and Samsung wars go on and on and on...

Everyone should just get a Windows 8 phone and be done with it.

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2013 10:41 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] The iPhone and Samsung wars go on and on and on...

It is about time that the Samsung iPhones wars ended.

They are becoming ridiculous and neither side will ever surrender and they
have the billions to drag it on for centuries if need be. Things have been
so stupid that even Obama had to step in or legally the iPhone would not be
allowed to be sold in the US. The current patent system is so flawed but no
one has to follow the insanity down the rabbit hole:

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505124_162-57597633/samsung-and-apple-high-techs
-punch-and-judy/

Jim
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sun Aug 11 12:28:44 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2013 11:28:44 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Gmail question
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1j5h7-sE9ORN7Sb=b9vHDNc2L6_3qwPROROpfzBA4bNAg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1520645588.27657508.1376242124415.JavaMail.root@cds002>

Well regardless of your computers potential, it is pretty useless if it can't perform even the basics. ;-)

If you have a touch screen try the pinch maneuver...two fingers together, on the screen area you want to expand and then spread your fingers. (Works on all cell phones...)
 
Jim 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Arthur Fuller" <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2013 10:03:00 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Gmail question

Jim,

I tried those commands on my shiny new laptop but they did not work. My,
my, computers have come a long way. My shiny new laptop has 8GB of RAM and
1 TB of hard disk, plus a pair of external USB drives (250GB and 1TB) --
and and a second 23"  monitor in stretch mode. Cool!

A.

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From peter.brawley at earthlink.net  Sun Aug 11 13:23:09 2013
From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley)
Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2013 13:23:09 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Gmail question
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1i4X4NmGV4V5oo7xugpAfrfnf7JbfhYoUxUsicyAw=ugA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1i4X4NmGV4V5oo7xugpAfrfnf7JbfhYoUxUsicyAw=ugA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5207D68D.2020808@earthlink.net>

On 2013-08-11 9:56 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote:
> What are the commands to make to make the font size in Gmail larger or
> smaller?

On a desktop or PC, hover the mouse over the underlined, italicised A at 
the bottom of the compsition window.

On Android, it seems not to be possible.

p.

From garykjos at gmail.com  Sun Aug 11 14:29:15 2013
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2013 14:29:15 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech]  How to get data of 16 year old 5 1/4 inch floppy
In-Reply-To: <1032528155.27583493.1376234096830.JavaMail.root@cds002>
References: <CAGXtTCieqdsCx2qT+sYben3sNGFxTp_1zDrxcUiYmvUjL60Bgg@mail.gmail.com>
	<1032528155.27583493.1376234096830.JavaMail.root@cds002>
Message-ID: <CAJ2R_pL4CwucwWTBMStA=ZbyLO-=Y--S2Q75rE89c=+HDtNTnQ@mail.gmail.com>

There are a number of the drives on EBAY.


On Sun, Aug 11, 2013 at 10:14 AM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
>
> Hi Mark:
>
> Being an old pack-rat, I believe I do have one(?). I have no idea where
it is or if it works but it worked when it was removed but that was many
years ago. Of course you may not be able to find the hardware or drivers to
match it.
>
> Send me a note off-line.
>
> Jim
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mark Breen" <marklbreen at gmail.com>
> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <
dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2013 12:59:38 AM
> Subject: [dba-Tech] How to get data of 16 year old 5 1/4 inch floppy
>
> Hello All,
>
> Any idea how I can read an old 51/4 inch floppy disk ?
>
> I can find a specialist company if necessary but it would be nice to be
> able to do it myself
>
> Mark
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Wed Aug 14 08:18:12 2013
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2013 09:18:12 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] FireFox question
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1hDcVT0w-dp61po10fdtOebwcpECMdB04vh1fW7WEG64A@mail.gmail.com>

Some piece of sh*t software I installed set my home page to some weird
search page and I can't find the setting in Settings. I want to set FF up
just like my setup in Chrome, i.e. open the several pages I want to open at
startup, find the "Use current pages" setting and save it.

Can someone tell me where that setting can be found in FireFox?

TIA,

-- 
Arthur

From garykjos at gmail.com  Wed Aug 14 08:25:52 2013
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2013 08:25:52 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] FireFox question
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1hDcVT0w-dp61po10fdtOebwcpECMdB04vh1fW7WEG64A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1hDcVT0w-dp61po10fdtOebwcpECMdB04vh1fW7WEG64A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJ2R_pL0vEAo-q5zEjQrJ=ZwsFn3haPfSz6Fc0t=X-+BYML5nw@mail.gmail.com>

Tools/Options/General will put you in the right general vacinity I think.


On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 8:18 AM, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com>wrote:

> Some piece of sh*t software I installed set my home page to some weird
> search page and I can't find the setting in Settings. I want to set FF up
> just like my setup in Chrome, i.e. open the several pages I want to open at
> startup, find the "Use current pages" setting and save it.
>
> Can someone tell me where that setting can be found in FireFox?
>
> TIA,
>
> --
> Arthur
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Wed Aug 14 09:25:56 2013
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2013 10:25:56 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] FireFox question
In-Reply-To: <CAJ2R_pL0vEAo-q5zEjQrJ=ZwsFn3haPfSz6Fc0t=X-+BYML5nw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1hDcVT0w-dp61po10fdtOebwcpECMdB04vh1fW7WEG64A@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJ2R_pL0vEAo-q5zEjQrJ=ZwsFn3haPfSz6Fc0t=X-+BYML5nw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1jTWNtMscrda_-B1k5sRPOR0RsyOFa=2iqJt6b29TYqGA@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks, Gary. My problem was that the initial FF setting is to hide the
menu bar. Once I made it visible, everything fell into place.


On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 9:25 AM, Gary Kjos <garykjos at gmail.com> wrote:

> Tools/Options/General will put you in the right general vacinity I think.
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 8:18 AM, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com
> >wrote:
>
> > Some piece of sh*t software I installed set my home page to some weird
> > search page and I can't find the setting in Settings. I want to set FF up
> > just like my setup in Chrome, i.e. open the several pages I want to open
> at
> > startup, find the "Use current pages" setting and save it.
> >
> > Can someone tell me where that setting can be found in FireFox?
> >
> > TIA,
> >
> > --
> > Arthur
> > _______________________________________________
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> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
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> >
>
>
>
> --
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> garykjos at gmail.com
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Wed Aug 14 11:06:34 2013
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2013 12:06:34 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Port 80
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1i9SG28cCRo7zeFobeODEjQokmtB+OCdzWN_7UU9VtQvA@mail.gmail.com>

I've got a conflict on port 80, and try as I might, I cannot figure out
which app is using it. I've tried netstat -o and the resulting list
contains no references to port 80. I'm really stumped on this one. Any
suggests gratefully appreciated.

Incidentally, how does one get to the Control Panel in Windows 8? Perhaps
I've unwittingly enabled IIS, which I believe defaults to port 80.

TIA
-- 
Arthur

From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Wed Aug 14 16:25:15 2013
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2013 07:25:15 +1000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Port 80
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1i9SG28cCRo7zeFobeODEjQokmtB+OCdzWN_7UU9VtQvA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1i9SG28cCRo7zeFobeODEjQokmtB+OCdzWN_7UU9VtQvA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <520BF5BB.14131.ACA76BE7@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Same answer I gave to the same query with the subject "Port 80 Puzzle" on 7 Aug:

Netstat -nao will gived you the PIDs of the process using ports. You can
then track down the PID using TaskMgr/ProceExp.

Or for a simple GUI tool which tell you directly:  Sysinternals TCPView or
Nirsofts CurrPorts

http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb897437

http://www.nirsoft.net/utils/cports.html


-- 
Stuart

On 14 Aug 2013 at 12:06, Arthur Fuller wrote:

> I've got a conflict on port 80, and try as I might, I cannot figure out
> which app is using it. I've tried netstat -o and the resulting list
> contains no references to port 80. I'm really stumped on this one. Any
> suggests gratefully appreciated.
> 
> Incidentally, how does one get to the Control Panel in Windows 8? Perhaps
> I've unwittingly enabled IIS, which I believe defaults to port 80.
> 
> TIA
> -- 
> Arthur
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 



From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Aug 14 17:20:25 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2013 16:20:25 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Port 80
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1i9SG28cCRo7zeFobeODEjQokmtB+OCdzWN_7UU9VtQvA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1520469849.30544554.1376518825544.JavaMail.root@cds002>

A lot of programs use port 80 so that should never be an issue.

If you are using a router and have blocked port 80 blocked that will cause such an error. Some programs may demand exclusive rights to a port but that tends to be databases and no database I am aware of defaults to port 80. My bet is it is nothing to do with the port being blocked and is that in a particular application's configuration file that has been configured wrong.

Why don't you try this; check and copy your external IP address: http://www.whatismyip.com and then put that IP address  in the "Lookup" field, enter, select portscan and you can then see all the ports that are open to the world.

Jim  

----- Original Message -----
From: "Arthur Fuller" <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2013 9:06:34 AM
Subject: [dba-Tech] Port 80

I've got a conflict on port 80, and try as I might, I cannot figure out
which app is using it. I've tried netstat -o and the resulting list
contains no references to port 80. I'm really stumped on this one. Any
suggests gratefully appreciated.

Incidentally, how does one get to the Control Panel in Windows 8? Perhaps
I've unwittingly enabled IIS, which I believe defaults to port 80.

TIA
-- 
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Wed Aug 14 17:44:57 2013
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2013 08:44:57 +1000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Port 80
In-Reply-To: <1520469849.30544554.1376518825544.JavaMail.root@cds002>
References: <CAEPJO1i9SG28cCRo7zeFobeODEjQokmtB+OCdzWN_7UU9VtQvA@mail.gmail.com>,
	<1520469849.30544554.1376518825544.JavaMail.root@cds002>
Message-ID: <520C0869.21663.ACF06322@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

You misunderstand Arthur's problem.

While lots of applications can send on a port, only one application can hook a 
port and listen on it at a time.  

He wants to set up something to listen on Port 80 but another program has already grabbed it 
and is listening for income traffic.  He is trying to find out what that program is.


On 14 Aug 2013 at 16:20, Jim Lawrence wrote:

> A lot of programs use port 80 so that should never be an issue.
> 
> If you are using a router and have blocked port 80 blocked that will
> cause such an error. Some programs may demand exclusive rights to a
> port but that tends to be databases and no database I am aware of
> defaults to port 80. My bet is it is nothing to do with the port being
> blocked and is that in a particular application's configuration file
> that has been configured wrong. 
> 
> Why don't you try this; check and copy your external IP address:
> http://www.whatismyip.com and then put that IP address  in the
> "Lookup" field, enter, select portscan and you can then see all the
> ports that are open to the world. 
> 
> Jim  
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Arthur Fuller" <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2013 9:06:34 AM
> Subject: [dba-Tech] Port 80
> 
> I've got a conflict on port 80, and try as I might, I cannot figure out
> which app is using it. I've tried netstat -o and the resulting list
> contains no references to port 80. I'm really stumped on this one. Any
> suggests gratefully appreciated.
> 
> Incidentally, how does one get to the Control Panel in Windows 8? Perhaps
> I've unwittingly enabled IIS, which I believe defaults to port 80.
> 
> TIA
> -- 
> Arthur
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Wed Aug 14 18:10:12 2013
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2013 19:10:12 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Port 80
In-Reply-To: <520C0869.21663.ACF06322@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <CAEPJO1i9SG28cCRo7zeFobeODEjQokmtB+OCdzWN_7UU9VtQvA@mail.gmail.com>
	<1520469849.30544554.1376518825544.JavaMail.root@cds002>
	<520C0869.21663.ACF06322@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1iyHER7m839P11dY4OugsDTFyNbr3s52b6f38G7EvKNbw@mail.gmail.com>

Quite right, Stuart. Thanks for rearranging the words in my mouth more
intelligently!

Arthur


On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 6:44 PM, Stuart McLachlan <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>wrote:

> You misunderstand Arthur's problem.
>
> While lots of applications can send on a port, only one application can
> hook a
> port and listen on it at a time.
>
> He wants to set up something to listen on Port 80 but another program has
> already grabbed it
> and is listening for income traffic.  He is trying to find out what that
> program is.
>
>
> On 14 Aug 2013 at 16:20, Jim Lawrence wrote:
>
> > A lot of programs use port 80 so that should never be an issue.
> >
> > If you are using a router and have blocked port 80 blocked that will
> > cause such an error. Some programs may demand exclusive rights to a
> > port but that tends to be databases and no database I am aware of
> > defaults to port 80. My bet is it is nothing to do with the port being
> > blocked and is that in a particular application's configuration file
> > that has been configured wrong.
> >
> > Why don't you try this; check and copy your external IP address:
> > http://www.whatismyip.com and then put that IP address  in the
> > "Lookup" field, enter, select portscan and you can then see all the
> > ports that are open to the world.
> >
> > Jim
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Arthur Fuller" <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
> > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <
> dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2013 9:06:34 AM
> > Subject: [dba-Tech] Port 80
> >
> > I've got a conflict on port 80, and try as I might, I cannot figure out
> > which app is using it. I've tried netstat -o and the resulting list
> > contains no references to port 80. I'm really stumped on this one. Any
> > suggests gratefully appreciated.
> >
> > Incidentally, how does one get to the Control Panel in Windows 8? Perhaps
> > I've unwittingly enabled IIS, which I believe defaults to port 80.
> >
> > TIA
> > --
> > Arthur
> > _______________________________________________
> > dba-Tech mailing list
> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > _______________________________________________
> > dba-Tech mailing list
> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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>



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From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Aug 14 19:48:40 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2013 18:48:40 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Port 80
In-Reply-To: <520C0869.21663.ACF06322@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <1834371309.30642815.1376527720932.JavaMail.root@cds002>

That part I did understand but barring the obvious there must be something else blocking things.
 
Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Stuart McLachlan" <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2013 3:44:57 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Port 80

You misunderstand Arthur's problem.

While lots of applications can send on a port, only one application can hook a 
port and listen on it at a time.  

He wants to set up something to listen on Port 80 but another program has already grabbed it 
and is listening for income traffic.  He is trying to find out what that program is.


On 14 Aug 2013 at 16:20, Jim Lawrence wrote:

> A lot of programs use port 80 so that should never be an issue.
> 
> If you are using a router and have blocked port 80 blocked that will
> cause such an error. Some programs may demand exclusive rights to a
> port but that tends to be databases and no database I am aware of
> defaults to port 80. My bet is it is nothing to do with the port being
> blocked and is that in a particular application's configuration file
> that has been configured wrong. 
> 
> Why don't you try this; check and copy your external IP address:
> http://www.whatismyip.com and then put that IP address  in the
> "Lookup" field, enter, select portscan and you can then see all the
> ports that are open to the world. 
> 
> Jim  
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Arthur Fuller" <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2013 9:06:34 AM
> Subject: [dba-Tech] Port 80
> 
> I've got a conflict on port 80, and try as I might, I cannot figure out
> which app is using it. I've tried netstat -o and the resulting list
> contains no references to port 80. I'm really stumped on this one. Any
> suggests gratefully appreciated.
> 
> Incidentally, how does one get to the Control Panel in Windows 8? Perhaps
> I've unwittingly enabled IIS, which I believe defaults to port 80.
> 
> TIA
> -- 
> Arthur
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Aug 14 19:50:40 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2013 18:50:40 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Port 80
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1iyHER7m839P11dY4OugsDTFyNbr3s52b6f38G7EvKNbw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1131225018.30644180.1376527840979.JavaMail.root@cds002>

Your problem is then solved? ;-)

Keep us posted.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Arthur Fuller" <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2013 4:10:12 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Port 80

Quite right, Stuart. Thanks for rearranging the words in my mouth more
intelligently!

Arthur


On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 6:44 PM, Stuart McLachlan <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>wrote:

> You misunderstand Arthur's problem.
>
> While lots of applications can send on a port, only one application can
> hook a
> port and listen on it at a time.
>
> He wants to set up something to listen on Port 80 but another program has
> already grabbed it
> and is listening for income traffic.  He is trying to find out what that
> program is.
>
>
> On 14 Aug 2013 at 16:20, Jim Lawrence wrote:
>
> > A lot of programs use port 80 so that should never be an issue.
> >
> > If you are using a router and have blocked port 80 blocked that will
> > cause such an error. Some programs may demand exclusive rights to a
> > port but that tends to be databases and no database I am aware of
> > defaults to port 80. My bet is it is nothing to do with the port being
> > blocked and is that in a particular application's configuration file
> > that has been configured wrong.
> >
> > Why don't you try this; check and copy your external IP address:
> > http://www.whatismyip.com and then put that IP address  in the
> > "Lookup" field, enter, select portscan and you can then see all the
> > ports that are open to the world.
> >
> > Jim
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Arthur Fuller" <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
> > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <
> dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2013 9:06:34 AM
> > Subject: [dba-Tech] Port 80
> >
> > I've got a conflict on port 80, and try as I might, I cannot figure out
> > which app is using it. I've tried netstat -o and the resulting list
> > contains no references to port 80. I'm really stumped on this one. Any
> > suggests gratefully appreciated.
> >
> > Incidentally, how does one get to the Control Panel in Windows 8? Perhaps
> > I've unwittingly enabled IIS, which I believe defaults to port 80.
> >
> > TIA
> > --
> > Arthur
> > _______________________________________________
> > dba-Tech mailing list
> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > _______________________________________________
> > dba-Tech mailing list
> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
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>



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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Wed Aug 14 19:56:34 2013
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2013 20:56:34 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Port 80
In-Reply-To: <1131225018.30644180.1376527840979.JavaMail.root@cds002>
References: <CAEPJO1iyHER7m839P11dY4OugsDTFyNbr3s52b6f38G7EvKNbw@mail.gmail.com>
	<1131225018.30644180.1376527840979.JavaMail.root@cds002>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1gcnBoKK0xdcczE_R-p=PEFa_6nYzd7B8MhWyTMkBusMA@mail.gmail.com>

No solution in sight yet. I'm running out of options, and thinking of
un-installing every possible claimant and retrying the one I'm most
interested in, and if it's still blocked, loop. Bummer, but anything that
works...

Arthur


From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Wed Aug 14 20:42:25 2013
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2013 11:42:25 +1000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Port 80
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1gcnBoKK0xdcczE_R-p=PEFa_6nYzd7B8MhWyTMkBusMA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1iyHER7m839P11dY4OugsDTFyNbr3s52b6f38G7EvKNbw@mail.gmail.com>,
	<1131225018.30644180.1376527840979.JavaMail.root@cds002>,
	<CAEPJO1gcnBoKK0xdcczE_R-p=PEFa_6nYzd7B8MhWyTMkBusMA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <520C3201.6844.AD92DE6C@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Have you tried CPorts and/or TCPView?

Both of them tell me that I have WAMPServer running when I right click on the process that 
is shown as using Port 80/HTTP.

-- 
Stuart

On 14 Aug 2013 at 20:56, Arthur Fuller wrote:

> No solution in sight yet. I'm running out of options, and thinking of
> un-installing every possible claimant and retrying the one I'm most
> interested in, and if it's still blocked, loop. Bummer, but anything that
> works...
> 
> Arthur
> 
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 



From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Aug 14 20:46:00 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2013 19:46:00 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Port 80
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1gcnBoKK0xdcczE_R-p=PEFa_6nYzd7B8MhWyTMkBusMA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1748400703.30675259.1376531160643.JavaMail.root@cds002>

Hi Arthur:

So what were your observations?

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Arthur Fuller" <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2013 5:56:34 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Port 80

No solution in sight yet. I'm running out of options, and thinking of
un-installing every possible claimant and retrying the one I'm most
interested in, and if it's still blocked, loop. Bummer, but anything that
works...

Arthur

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From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Wed Aug 14 21:33:10 2013
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2013 19:33:10 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Port 80
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1i9SG28cCRo7zeFobeODEjQokmtB+OCdzWN_7UU9VtQvA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1i9SG28cCRo7zeFobeODEjQokmtB+OCdzWN_7UU9VtQvA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B4A714D5-4ACC-471D-A40F-1E74453348CE@phulse.com>

Hi Arthur,

If you were using Linux or OSX, I'd be able to help. Windows is a beyond my domain these days. I'd have to google it. :)

But, if I were you, I'd open up task manager and shut tasks down until i found the culprit.

And if that doesn't reveal the sucker, then might it be possible that you might be infected with a virus/trojan that is trying its best to hide?

What happens when you try to visit http//localhost in a web browser on that machine? If something has attached itself to port 80 and is listening, you should get a reply and hopefully some output to help identify what process is using that port.

- Hans


On 2013-08-14, at 9:06 AM, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com> wrote:

> I've got a conflict on port 80, and try as I might, I cannot figure out
> which app is using it. I've tried netstat -o and the resulting list
> contains no references to port 80. I'm really stumped on this one. Any
> suggests gratefully appreciated.
> 
> Incidentally, how does one get to the Control Panel in Windows 8? Perhaps
> I've unwittingly enabled IIS, which I believe defaults to port 80.
> 
> TIA
> -- 
> Arthur
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Thu Aug 15 03:12:14 2013
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2013 04:12:14 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Port 80
In-Reply-To: <B4A714D5-4ACC-471D-A40F-1E74453348CE@phulse.com>
References: <CAEPJO1i9SG28cCRo7zeFobeODEjQokmtB+OCdzWN_7UU9VtQvA@mail.gmail.com>
	<B4A714D5-4ACC-471D-A40F-1E74453348CE@phulse.com>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1gHHHsET2Xh8JEvAgqLjC=08Pr=Acwr8peFZ=MnXXbebw@mail.gmail.com>

I just tried http//localhost and got back "not found". I tried TCPView and
saw no claims to port 80 there. I'm increasingly baffled and frustrated but
also growing more and more determined to wrestle this pig to the ground :)

Arthur


From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu Aug 15 05:09:32 2013
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2013 20:09:32 +1000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Port 80
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1gHHHsET2Xh8JEvAgqLjC=08Pr=Acwr8peFZ=MnXXbebw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1i9SG28cCRo7zeFobeODEjQokmtB+OCdzWN_7UU9VtQvA@mail.gmail.com>,
	<B4A714D5-4ACC-471D-A40F-1E74453348CE@phulse.com>,
	<CAEPJO1gHHHsET2Xh8JEvAgqLjC=08Pr=Acwr8peFZ=MnXXbebw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <520CA8DC.30138.BEFE6E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

You've got me intrigued.

In TCPView, click on First entry in the list.
Hold the Shift key.
Click on the last entry in the list
Hit Ctlr+c
Open a new email
Hit Ctrl+v
Send it to me (or to the list)



On 15 Aug 2013 at 4:12, Arthur Fuller wrote:

> I just tried http//localhost and got back "not found". I tried TCPView and
> saw no claims to port 80 there. I'm increasingly baffled and frustrated but
> also growing more and more determined to wrestle this pig to the ground :)
> 
> ArthurI
> 
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 



From gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Aug 15 05:46:32 2013
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2013 12:46:32 +0200
Subject: [dba-Tech] Port 80
Message-ID: <00fd01ce99a4$b490d540$1db27fc0$@cactus.dk>

Hi Arthur and Stuart

Could it be Windows Firewall that blocks access to port 80?

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Stuart McLachlan
Sendt: 15. august 2013 12:10
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Port 80

You've got me intrigued.

In TCPView, click on First entry in the list.
Hold the Shift key.
Click on the last entry in the list
Hit Ctlr+c
Open a new email
Hit Ctrl+v
Send it to me (or to the list)



On 15 Aug 2013 at 4:12, Arthur Fuller wrote:

> I just tried http//localhost and got back "not found". I tried TCPView 
> and saw no claims to port 80 there. I'm increasingly baffled and 
> frustrated but also growing more and more determined to wrestle this 
> pig to the ground :)
> 
> Arthur 



From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Thu Aug 15 08:15:16 2013
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2013 09:15:16 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Port 80
In-Reply-To: <00fd01ce99a4$b490d540$1db27fc0$@cactus.dk>
References: <00fd01ce99a4$b490d540$1db27fc0$@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1iUpYaCg32J5gzrz2Hb2gX7mUvn=mVRd1OvAcGpwJ-J0Q@mail.gmail.com>

Success at last! But before I get to that, I want to share a discovery that
was new to me. To uninstall any program, find its tile in the Modern (i.e.
Metro) UI and right-click and choose Uninstall. After that, everything
looks familiar. Anyway, I decided to uninstall SQL 2012 Express and all its
components. That did the trick. Don't know which component it was; it may
be significant that SQL 2012 was running as a service. When I reinstall it,
I'll learn what ports it claims.

I am once again a happy camper!

Arthur


From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Aug 15 11:26:06 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2013 10:26:06 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Port 80
In-Reply-To: <00fd01ce99a4$b490d540$1db27fc0$@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <479264828.31162102.1376583966796.JavaMail.root@cds002>

Hi All:

But wouldn't the firewall tell you the port is being blocked because this situation is not done by default.

Jim 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2013 3:46:32 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Port 80

Hi Arthur and Stuart

Could it be Windows Firewall that blocks access to port 80?

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Stuart McLachlan
Sendt: 15. august 2013 12:10
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Port 80

You've got me intrigued.

In TCPView, click on First entry in the list.
Hold the Shift key.
Click on the last entry in the list
Hit Ctlr+c
Open a new email
Hit Ctrl+v
Send it to me (or to the list)



On 15 Aug 2013 at 4:12, Arthur Fuller wrote:

> I just tried http//localhost and got back "not found". I tried TCPView 
> and saw no claims to port 80 there. I'm increasingly baffled and 
> frustrated but also growing more and more determined to wrestle this 
> pig to the ground :)
> 
> Arthur 


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From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Aug 15 11:42:22 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2013 10:42:22 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Port 80
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1iUpYaCg32J5gzrz2Hb2gX7mUvn=mVRd1OvAcGpwJ-J0Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1084517881.31183892.1376584942206.JavaMail.root@cds002>

Hi Arthur:

Congratulations...now that made your morning.

By the way I did not know you could have both MS SQL and MS SQL Express running on the same computer. Don't they default to ports 1433 and 1434?
  
Jim 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Arthur Fuller" <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2013 6:15:16 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Port 80

Success at last! But before I get to that, I want to share a discovery that
was new to me. To uninstall any program, find its tile in the Modern (i.e.
Metro) UI and right-click and choose Uninstall. After that, everything
looks familiar. Anyway, I decided to uninstall SQL 2012 Express and all its
components. That did the trick. Don't know which component it was; it may
be significant that SQL 2012 was running as a service. When I reinstall it,
I'll learn what ports it claims.

I am once again a happy camper!

Arthur

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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Thu Aug 15 13:03:18 2013
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2013 14:03:18 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Port 80
In-Reply-To: <1084517881.31183892.1376584942206.JavaMail.root@cds002>
References: <CAEPJO1iUpYaCg32J5gzrz2Hb2gX7mUvn=mVRd1OvAcGpwJ-J0Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<1084517881.31183892.1376584942206.JavaMail.root@cds002>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1hzMPUjBBJiwr0trB3VfW=8nN_OztHCEcEN1KEHQQ65pg@mail.gmail.com>

Yes you're right, and I didn't change either port there. All I know is that
the uninstall worked, and in my old age that's good enough for me :)

A.


On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 12:42 PM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> Hi Arthur:
>
> Congratulations...now that made your morning.
>
> By the way I did not know you could have both MS SQL and MS SQL Express
> running on the same computer. Don't they default to ports 1433 and 1434?
>
> Jim
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Arthur Fuller" <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <
> dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2013 6:15:16 AM
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Port 80
>
> Success at last! But before I get to that, I want to share a discovery that
> was new to me. To uninstall any program, find its tile in the Modern (i.e.
> Metro) UI and right-click and choose Uninstall. After that, everything
> looks familiar. Anyway, I decided to uninstall SQL 2012 Express and all its
> components. That did the trick. Don't know which component it was; it may
> be significant that SQL 2012 was running as a service. When I reinstall it,
> I'll learn what ports it claims.
>
> I am once again a happy camper!
>
> Arthur
>
>
>
-- 
Arthur

From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu Aug 15 17:33:58 2013
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2013 08:33:58 +1000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Port 80
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1iUpYaCg32J5gzrz2Hb2gX7mUvn=mVRd1OvAcGpwJ-J0Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <00fd01ce99a4$b490d540$1db27fc0$@cactus.dk>,
	<CAEPJO1iUpYaCg32J5gzrz2Hb2gX7mUvn=mVRd1OvAcGpwJ-J0Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <520D5756.10449.3688A65@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Apparently SQL Server Reporting Services uses Port 80 by default. 

Guess MS don'[t want you to run SQL Server and a web server on the same Windows Server 
installation (they will happily sell you a licence to run another instance of Windows Server) :-(

-- 
Stuart

On 15 Aug 2013 at 9:15, Arthur Fuller wrote:

> Success at last! But before I get to that, I want to share a discovery that
> was new to me. To uninstall any program, find its tile in the Modern (i.e.
> Metro) UI and right-click and choose Uninstall. After that, everything
> looks familiar. Anyway, I decided to uninstall SQL 2012 Express and all its
> components. That did the trick. Don't know which component it was; it may
> be significant that SQL 2012 was running as a service. When I reinstall it,
> I'll learn what ports it claims.
> 
> I am once again a happy camper!
> 
> Arthur
> 
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 



From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Thu Aug 15 18:16:40 2013
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2013 19:16:40 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Port 80
In-Reply-To: <520D5756.10449.3688A65@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <00fd01ce99a4$b490d540$1db27fc0$@cactus.dk>
	<CAEPJO1iUpYaCg32J5gzrz2Hb2gX7mUvn=mVRd1OvAcGpwJ-J0Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<520D5756.10449.3688A65@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1jHPSeZGFsRPM8L+0wZ1E1rVZua8pwJmSd9B4EBktN7Ww@mail.gmail.com>

I'm reinstalling SQL 2012 as I write this. I'll see what happens when we
get to the Reporting Services part...

Arthur


On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 6:33 PM, Stuart McLachlan <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>wrote:

> Apparently SQL Server Reporting Services uses Port 80 by default.
>
> Guess MS don'[t want you to run SQL Server and a web server on the same
> Windows Server
> installation (they will happily sell you a licence to run another instance
> of Windows Server) :-(
>
> --
> Stuart
>

From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Fri Aug 16 07:39:27 2013
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2013 08:39:27 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] FireFox Question
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1ixeDUZtE_8br=G+Otiz7KRQBqUCPnijH+Qg40bgWaHxw@mail.gmail.com>

Where can I find the setting for FireFox Default Search Engine? Something I
installed changed my search engine. I don't know what, but I'm pissed and
want to set it back to Google.

-- 
Arthur

From garykjos at gmail.com  Fri Aug 16 08:12:57 2013
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2013 08:12:57 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] FireFox Question
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1ixeDUZtE_8br=G+Otiz7KRQBqUCPnijH+Qg40bgWaHxw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1ixeDUZtE_8br=G+Otiz7KRQBqUCPnijH+Qg40bgWaHxw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJ2R_p+5aL6SuGq3XB87BekF0q-DfH-gHW1wKvyeakyCTJH54w@mail.gmail.com>

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/searchreset/




On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 7:39 AM, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com>wrote:

> Where can I find the setting for FireFox Default Search Engine? Something I
> installed changed my search engine. I don't know what, but I'm pissed and
> want to set it back to Google.
>
> --
> Arthur
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
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> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>



-- 
Gary Kjos
garykjos at gmail.com

From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Fri Aug 16 08:45:04 2013
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2013 09:45:04 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] FireFox Question
In-Reply-To: <CAJ2R_p+5aL6SuGq3XB87BekF0q-DfH-gHW1wKvyeakyCTJH54w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1ixeDUZtE_8br=G+Otiz7KRQBqUCPnijH+Qg40bgWaHxw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJ2R_p+5aL6SuGq3XB87BekF0q-DfH-gHW1wKvyeakyCTJH54w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1gH3G612i1Kr8NJtXi7qJbKLMqyWDuiGc38BJ=j1WrRJA@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks, Gary.


On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 9:12 AM, Gary Kjos <garykjos at gmail.com> wrote:

> https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/searchreset/
>

From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Aug 16 14:28:15 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2013 13:28:15 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] FireFox Question
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1ixeDUZtE_8br=G+Otiz7KRQBqUCPnijH+Qg40bgWaHxw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <546811680.32300058.1376681295412.JavaMail.root@cds002>

Hi Arthur:

This simplest method when you totally bork up an install is to unload it and start fresh. 

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Arthur Fuller" <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, August 16, 2013 5:39:27 AM
Subject: [dba-Tech] FireFox Question

Where can I find the setting for FireFox Default Search Engine? Something I
installed changed my search engine. I don't know what, but I'm pissed and
want to set it back to Google.

-- 
Arthur
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Fri Aug 16 15:34:29 2013
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2013 16:34:29 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] FireFox Question
In-Reply-To: <546811680.32300058.1376681295412.JavaMail.root@cds002>
References: <CAEPJO1ixeDUZtE_8br=G+Otiz7KRQBqUCPnijH+Qg40bgWaHxw@mail.gmail.com>
	<546811680.32300058.1376681295412.JavaMail.root@cds002>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1g6wYFDOs92aEfwAFzGzWEy49HmkUL5m4FeWwKesxcyPw@mail.gmail.com>

Jim,

Advice accepted. Good thing it's the weekend.

Arthur


On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 3:28 PM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> Hi Arthur:
>
> This simplest method when you totally bork up an install is to unload it
> and start fresh.
>
> Jim
>

From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Sat Aug 17 16:35:02 2013
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2013 17:35:02 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] QuickSet.Exe?
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1hZjJxxB+J+=OZPqF+k0vc3KfsP030XjVrqT7OytbGuzw@mail.gmail.com>

Lately I'm getting an error on startup in Windows 8 which says "QuickSet
has stopped working; close and check for an on-line fix, close", etc. I
don't even know what QuickSet is or what it is failing to do. I just click
"Close" and the startup proceeds apparently normally.

Anyone know what QuickSet is and what it allegedly does?

-- 
Arthur

From paul.hartland at googlemail.com  Sat Aug 17 17:43:04 2013
From: paul.hartland at googlemail.com (Paul Hartland)
Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2013 23:43:04 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] QuickSet.Exe?
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1hZjJxxB+J+=OZPqF+k0vc3KfsP030XjVrqT7OytbGuzw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1hZjJxxB+J+=OZPqF+k0vc3KfsP030XjVrqT7OytbGuzw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALGJE96z6EncS3aM0=FdCsX2pq-UpVM6GPT+fh+QP+yqxY=8gQ@mail.gmail.com>

after a quick look up I found this
http://www.neuber.com/taskmanager/process/quickset.exe.html

Paul


On 17 August 2013 22:35, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com> wrote:

> Lately I'm getting an error on startup in Windows 8 which says "QuickSet
> has stopped working; close and check for an on-line fix, close", etc. I
> don't even know what QuickSet is or what it is failing to do. I just click
> "Close" and the startup proceeds apparently normally.
>
> Anyone know what QuickSet is and what it allegedly does?
>
> --
> Arthur
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>



-- 
Paul Hartland
paul.hartland at googlemail.com

From djkr at msn.com  Sat Aug 17 17:44:08 2013
From: djkr at msn.com (DJK (John) Robinson)
Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2013 23:44:08 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] QuickSet.Exe?
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1hZjJxxB+J+=OZPqF+k0vc3KfsP030XjVrqT7OytbGuzw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP1997F9CB9EF5A7BC51F9840D2400@phx.gbl>

Maybe something by Dell to do with power settings, and maybe other Control Panel settings?

John


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: 17 August 2013 22:35
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] QuickSet.Exe?


Lately I'm getting an error on startup in Windows 8 which says "QuickSet has stopped working; close and check for an
on-line fix, close", etc. I don't even know what QuickSet is or what it is failing to do. I just click "Close" and the
startup proceeds apparently normally.

Anyone know what QuickSet is and what it allegedly does?

-- 
Arthur
_______________________________________________
dba-Tech mailing list
dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com


From jbartow at winhaven.net  Sun Aug 18 20:56:51 2013
From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow)
Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 20:56:51 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] QuickSet.Exe?
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1hZjJxxB+J+=OZPqF+k0vc3KfsP030XjVrqT7OytbGuzw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1hZjJxxB+J+=OZPqF+k0vc3KfsP030XjVrqT7OytbGuzw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <009601ce9c7f$5ff75f30$1fe61d90$@winhaven.net>

It's a little app on Dell notebook that sets on special keys work. I find
that it is hardly ever used by anyone. You can remove the app from the
control panel.

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2013 4:35 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] QuickSet.Exe?

Lately I'm getting an error on startup in Windows 8 which says "QuickSet has
stopped working; close and check for an on-line fix, close", etc. I don't
even know what QuickSet is or what it is failing to do. I just click "Close"
and the startup proceeds apparently normally.

Anyone know what QuickSet is and what it allegedly does?

--
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From marklbreen at gmail.com  Mon Aug 19 01:53:08 2013
From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen)
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2013 07:53:08 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] How to get data of 16 year old 5 1/4 inch floppy
In-Reply-To: <s2076b53.057@cactus.dk>
References: <s2076b53.057@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <CAGXtTCigGsaEdH2B7p3_y5f85Y7U=p5tDYnKZPPFqOQ1YJWwJw@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Gustav,

I will have a look at one old machine I have here that works, if it has the
floppy cable for 51/4 then that may be all I need.

If I do not get on well on ebay, I will come back to you.

Do you have
a) one or two that you want to keep for 'just in case'
or
b) four or five that you are meaning to throw out.

I would not like to take yours if they are you last 51/4 drives but if have
more than 2 then that might be a good option ?

Thanks

Mark






On 11 August 2013 09:44, Gustav Brock <Gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Hi Mark
>
> I have kept a couple of 5.25" drives. However, these days trouble would
> also be to find an old Pentium-type machine with a FDD controller _and_ the
> cable with two different connectors, but I think I have both somewhere.
>
> If you are desperate enough, I would gladly try to locate the parts ...
>
> /gustav
>
> >>> marklbreen at gmail.com 11-08-13 9:59 >>>
> Hello All,
>
> Any idea how I can read an old 51/4 inch floppy disk ?
>
> I can find a specialist company if necessary but it would be nice to be
> able to do it myself
>
> Mark
>
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Aug 19 02:41:37 2013
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2013 09:41:37 +0200
Subject: [dba-Tech] How to get data of 16 year old 5 1/4 inch floppy
Message-ID: <000a01ce9caf$8a0b2880$9e217980$@cactus.dk>

Hi Mark

It is a).

All Pentium-level machines have a floppy interface, so you would need just a
drive and cable. Power connector is the same as that for old harddisks like
(parallel) ATA.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
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[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Mark Breen
Sendt: 19. august 2013 08:53
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] How to get data of 16 year old 5 1/4 inch floppy

Hello Gustav,

I will have a look at one old machine I have here that works, if it has the
floppy cable for 51/4 then that may be all I need.

If I do not get on well on ebay, I will come back to you.

Do you have
a) one or two that you want to keep for 'just in case'
or
b) four or five that you are meaning to throw out.

I would not like to take yours if they are you last 51/4 drives but if have
more than 2 then that might be a good option ?

Thanks

Mark






On 11 August 2013 09:44, Gustav Brock <Gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Hi Mark
>
> I have kept a couple of 5.25" drives. However, these days trouble 
> would also be to find an old Pentium-type machine with a FDD 
> controller _and_ the cable with two different connectors, but I think I
have both somewhere.
>
> If you are desperate enough, I would gladly try to locate the parts ...
>
> /gustav
>
> >>> marklbreen at gmail.com 11-08-13 9:59 >>>
> Hello All,
>
> Any idea how I can read an old 51/4 inch floppy disk ?
>
> I can find a specialist company if necessary but it would be nice to 
> be able to do it myself
>
> Mark 



From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Mon Aug 19 04:35:32 2013
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2013 05:35:32 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] QuickSet.Exe?
In-Reply-To: <009601ce9c7f$5ff75f30$1fe61d90$@winhaven.net>
References: <CAEPJO1hZjJxxB+J+=OZPqF+k0vc3KfsP030XjVrqT7OytbGuzw@mail.gmail.com>
	<009601ce9c7f$5ff75f30$1fe61d90$@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1jLK3M_FqVEKQ7b+10DnWLHZSFbT0KJu8qDLqB4oYwYZA@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks, John. I think I'll do just that. I notice in the little Quick Start
brochure that came with my Dell that there are several assignments to
Fn+<function key>. Is it QuickSet that renders those assignments? I read
through the list of assignments, but I can't recall using even one of them
so far.

Arthur


On Sun, Aug 18, 2013 at 9:56 PM, John R Bartow <jbartow at winhaven.net> wrote:

> It's a little app on Dell notebook that sets on special keys work. I find
> that it is hardly ever used by anyone. You can remove the app from the
> control panel.

From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Mon Aug 19 04:39:09 2013
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2013 05:39:09 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] How to get data of 16 year old 5 1/4 inch floppy
In-Reply-To: <000a01ce9caf$8a0b2880$9e217980$@cactus.dk>
References: <000a01ce9caf$8a0b2880$9e217980$@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1jpW_N+Orja8tJF_X_zwrRVewZcvZr+DiA=r59Vhkq=4g@mail.gmail.com>

Maybe there's a niche market for USB-connected 5.25 and 3.5 inch drives? I
guess they would need their own power supply, But I can see that copy shops
such as Kinko's could offer this as a service. Just a thought.

Arthur


On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 3:41 AM, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Hi Mark
>
> It is a).
>
> All Pentium-level machines have a floppy interface, so you would need just
> a
> drive and cable. Power connector is the same as that for old harddisks like
> (parallel) ATA.
>
> /gustav

From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Aug 19 10:31:49 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2013 09:31:49 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Ted Codd's birthday
In-Reply-To: <CALGJE96z6EncS3aM0=FdCsX2pq-UpVM6GPT+fh+QP+yqxY=8gQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1202033811.33950722.1376926309596.JavaMail.root@cds002>

The creator of the relational database would have been 90 today.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/08/19/ted_codd_90_relational_daddy/

Jim

From jbartow at winhaven.net  Mon Aug 19 11:41:26 2013
From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow)
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2013 11:41:26 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] QuickSet.Exe?
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1jLK3M_FqVEKQ7b+10DnWLHZSFbT0KJu8qDLqB4oYwYZA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1hZjJxxB+J+=OZPqF+k0vc3KfsP030XjVrqT7OytbGuzw@mail.gmail.com>	<009601ce9c7f$5ff75f30$1fe61d90$@winhaven.net>
	<CAEPJO1jLK3M_FqVEKQ7b+10DnWLHZSFbT0KJu8qDLqB4oYwYZA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <008e01ce9cfa$f385eac0$da91c040$@winhaven.net>

I haven't noticed that it assigns functions key tasks but only that the dell
notebooks I've seen it on have extra little button keys above the keyboard.
For a long time it was 4 little buttons on the upper right top edge (as you
see the keyboard). One would open email another the browser, etc. I would
ask people if they ever use those buttons. They'd almost always respond
"What buttons?" or "I never noticed them before."

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 4:36 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] QuickSet.Exe?

Thanks, John. I think I'll do just that. I notice in the little Quick Start
brochure that came with my Dell that there are several assignments to
Fn+<function key>. Is it QuickSet that renders those assignments? I read
through the list of assignments, but I can't recall using even one of them
so far.

Arthur


On Sun, Aug 18, 2013 at 9:56 PM, John R Bartow <jbartow at winhaven.net> wrote:

> It's a little app on Dell notebook that sets on special keys work. I 
> find that it is hardly ever used by anyone. You can remove the app 
> from the control panel.
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Aug 21 22:10:44 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2013 21:10:44 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Why is there so many OSS projects?
In-Reply-To: <CALGJE96z6EncS3aM0=FdCsX2pq-UpVM6GPT+fh+QP+yqxY=8gQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <849157129.36607756.1377141044591.JavaMail.root@cds002>

One of these strange questions... It sure can not be the money? So why is there any Open Source projects at all...no money no work may seem logical to many but according to the following article this is not the case. Humans are strange animals to say the least and programmers are probably the strangest humans. ;-)

http://readwrite.com/2013/08/14/mobile-developers-its-not-about-the-money#awesm=~of1TClo7jXYlzl

Jim

From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Thu Aug 22 05:17:45 2013
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2013 06:17:45 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Why is there so many OSS projects?
In-Reply-To: <849157129.36607756.1377141044591.JavaMail.root@cds002>
References: <CALGJE96z6EncS3aM0=FdCsX2pq-UpVM6GPT+fh+QP+yqxY=8gQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<849157129.36607756.1377141044591.JavaMail.root@cds002>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1g34xPoZG1mD_fO13tnRYHjk9+4SFMQN8PY6Mc8qB+odA@mail.gmail.com>

Jim,

I can think of four reasons:

1. it is so difficult to find the funding for any given project;
2. if one has the passion for programming, then funding and subsequent
corporatization of the concept is way too much pain in the ass;
3. Jjust because I had the idea doesn't mean that I have the best
implementation;
4. It's social networking on an intelligent plane, as opposed to the nude
sex-vids so popular among those with no other claim to fame.

My partner Peter Brawley and I are both working on separate apps, which we
will both place in the OSS community as soon as they are ready for public
consumption.

This could be because we are both now senior citizens and thus receiving
pensions, and therefore have enough to subsist, and consequently, money is
no longer a goal. Which is not to say that I am averse to money, but merely
that it is no longer a significant motive. At the moment I'm doing some
part-time mentoring for a client in San Francisco, and I bill him for about
1 hour in 8, because a large part of the task involves research, so that
part is on my dime not his. I'm doing it because it's intellectually
interesting. The occasional check is nice, and I invest it in toys such as
my spanky new laptop, but it is certainly not the goal. As the
aforementioned Peter is fond of saying, "The best defense against
Alzheimer's is to Keep Thinking." The virtue of being old enough to collect
a pension is the freedom to choose which projects are worth your time. In
days of yore, we used to have an acronym in our company: YAFOES (yet
another f**king Order Entry System). Been there, done that. Now I'm on to
more significant problems, almost none of which pay money. And guess what?
I don't care. I can't afford fancy vacations in sunny climes but that too
is OK.

Arthur


On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 11:10 PM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> One of these strange questions... It sure can not be the money? So why is
> there any Open Source projects at all...no money no work may seem logical
> to many but according to the following article this is not the case. Humans
> are strange animals to say the least and programmers are probably the
> strangest humans. ;-)
>
>
> http://readwrite.com/2013/08/14/mobile-developers-its-not-about-the-money#awesm=~of1TClo7jXYlzl
>
> Jim
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
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>



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From listmaster at databaseadvisors.com  Thu Aug 22 11:26:24 2013
From: listmaster at databaseadvisors.com (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2013 12:26:24 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Administrivia - Server Back Up and Running
Message-ID: <CAAZtbWGnLKj1PKJ7aT3sfXO67zg7i0AzrjcjmD2iKGPSEu01kg@mail.gmail.com>

As you may have noticed, the past couple of days has had sporadic
traffic at best.

After much head scratching, hair pulling out, foul language, and all
around pissed-offedness we are back up and running.

If you notice any issues PLEASE let me know,
listmaster at databaseadvisors.com or carbonnb at gmail.com

Your humble listmaster.


-- 
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preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out,
shouting "What a great ride!"

From jon.tydda at lonza.com  Thu Aug 22 11:30:54 2013
From: jon.tydda at lonza.com (Tydda Jon - Lonza Slough)
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2013 18:30:54 +0200
Subject: [dba-Tech] Administrivia - Server Back Up and Running
In-Reply-To: <CAAZtbWGnLKj1PKJ7aT3sfXO67zg7i0AzrjcjmD2iKGPSEu01kg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAAZtbWGnLKj1PKJ7aT3sfXO67zg7i0AzrjcjmD2iKGPSEu01kg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2495B56EE0CF824A99F14B2492C85E5D025DF2AD53@CHVEX07.lonzagroup.net>

Well done Bryan, thanks for all the hard work!


Jon

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From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Thu Aug 22 11:38:09 2013
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2013 12:38:09 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Why is there so many OSS projects?
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1g34xPoZG1mD_fO13tnRYHjk9+4SFMQN8PY6Mc8qB+odA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALGJE96z6EncS3aM0=FdCsX2pq-UpVM6GPT+fh+QP+yqxY=8gQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<849157129.36607756.1377141044591.JavaMail.root@cds002>
	<CAEPJO1g34xPoZG1mD_fO13tnRYHjk9+4SFMQN8PY6Mc8qB+odA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <52163E71.2000305@torchlake.com>

Amen!
TNF

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
231-322-2787

On 8/22/2013 6:17 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote:
> Jim,
>
> I can think of four reasons:
>
> 1. it is so difficult to find the funding for any given project;
> 2. if one has the passion for programming, then funding and subsequent
> corporatization of the concept is way too much pain in the ass;
> 3. Jjust because I had the idea doesn't mean that I have the best
> implementation;
> 4. It's social networking on an intelligent plane, as opposed to the nude
> sex-vids so popular among those with no other claim to fame.
>
> My partner Peter Brawley and I are both working on separate apps, which we
> will both place in the OSS community as soon as they are ready for public
> consumption.
>
> This could be because we are both now senior citizens and thus receiving
> pensions, and therefore have enough to subsist, and consequently, money is
> no longer a goal. Which is not to say that I am averse to money, but merely
> that it is no longer a significant motive. At the moment I'm doing some
> part-time mentoring for a client in San Francisco, and I bill him for about
> 1 hour in 8, because a large part of the task involves research, so that
> part is on my dime not his. I'm doing it because it's intellectually
> interesting. The occasional check is nice, and I invest it in toys such as
> my spanky new laptop, but it is certainly not the goal. As the
> aforementioned Peter is fond of saying, "The best defense against
> Alzheimer's is to Keep Thinking." The virtue of being old enough to collect
> a pension is the freedom to choose which projects are worth your time. In
> days of yore, we used to have an acronym in our company: YAFOES (yet
> another f**king Order Entry System). Been there, done that. Now I'm on to
> more significant problems, almost none of which pay money. And guess what?
> I don't care. I can't afford fancy vacations in sunny climes but that too
> is OK.
>
> Arthur
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 11:10 PM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
>
>> One of these strange questions... It sure can not be the money? So why is
>> there any Open Source projects at all...no money no work may seem logical
>> to many but according to the following article this is not the case. Humans
>> are strange animals to say the least and programmers are probably the
>> strangest humans. ;-)
>>
>>
>> http://readwrite.com/2013/08/14/mobile-developers-its-not-about-the-money#awesm=~of1TClo7jXYlzl
>>
>> Jim
>> _______________________________________________
>> dba-Tech mailing list
>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>
>


From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Thu Aug 22 11:39:42 2013
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2013 12:39:42 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Administrivia - Server Back Up and Running
In-Reply-To: <CAAZtbWGnLKj1PKJ7aT3sfXO67zg7i0AzrjcjmD2iKGPSEu01kg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAAZtbWGnLKj1PKJ7aT3sfXO67zg7i0AzrjcjmD2iKGPSEu01kg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <52163ECE.1030406@torchlake.com>

Yay!  Thanks, Bryan!
TNF

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
231-322-2787

On 8/22/2013 12:26 PM, Bryan Carbonnell wrote:
> As you may have noticed, the past couple of days has had sporadic
> traffic at best.
>
> After much head scratching, hair pulling out, foul language, and all
> around pissed-offedness we are back up and running.
>
> If you notice any issues PLEASE let me know,
> listmaster at databaseadvisors.com or carbonnb at gmail.com
>
> Your humble listmaster.
>
>


From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Aug 22 12:02:58 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2013 11:02:58 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Why is there so many OSS projects?
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1g34xPoZG1mD_fO13tnRYHjk9+4SFMQN8PY6Mc8qB+odA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <411725636.37071533.1377190978722.JavaMail.root@cds002>

Hi Arthur:

A very interesting set of comments, Arthur. My question is why so many of the best young (or should I just say younger) programmers in the world spend so much of their time working on projects that will bring them no financial gain... IOW it appears that money is not the main driving factor, especially in the computer world...or is that financial motivation is easier to quantify in this particular business. Is this the case in most businesses?   

So what projects are you working on Now?

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Arthur Fuller" <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2013 3:17:45 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Why is there so many OSS projects?

Jim,

I can think of four reasons:

1. it is so difficult to find the funding for any given project;
2. if one has the passion for programming, then funding and subsequent
corporatization of the concept is way too much pain in the ass;
3. Jjust because I had the idea doesn't mean that I have the best
implementation;
4. It's social networking on an intelligent plane, as opposed to the nude
sex-vids so popular among those with no other claim to fame.

My partner Peter Brawley and I are both working on separate apps, which we
will both place in the OSS community as soon as they are ready for public
consumption.

This could be because we are both now senior citizens and thus receiving
pensions, and therefore have enough to subsist, and consequently, money is
no longer a goal. Which is not to say that I am averse to money, but merely
that it is no longer a significant motive. At the moment I'm doing some
part-time mentoring for a client in San Francisco, and I bill him for about
1 hour in 8, because a large part of the task involves research, so that
part is on my dime not his. I'm doing it because it's intellectually
interesting. The occasional check is nice, and I invest it in toys such as
my spanky new laptop, but it is certainly not the goal. As the
aforementioned Peter is fond of saying, "The best defense against
Alzheimer's is to Keep Thinking." The virtue of being old enough to collect
a pension is the freedom to choose which projects are worth your time. In
days of yore, we used to have an acronym in our company: YAFOES (yet
another f**king Order Entry System). Been there, done that. Now I'm on to
more significant problems, almost none of which pay money. And guess what?
I don't care. I can't afford fancy vacations in sunny climes but that too
is OK.

Arthur


On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 11:10 PM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> One of these strange questions... It sure can not be the money? So why is
> there any Open Source projects at all...no money no work may seem logical
> to many but according to the following article this is not the case. Humans
> are strange animals to say the least and programmers are probably the
> strangest humans. ;-)
>
>
> http://readwrite.com/2013/08/14/mobile-developers-its-not-about-the-money#awesm=~of1TClo7jXYlzl
>
> Jim
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>



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From jbartow at winhaven.net  Thu Aug 22 12:41:14 2013
From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow)
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2013 12:41:14 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Administrivia - Server Back Up and Running
In-Reply-To: <CAAZtbWGnLKj1PKJ7aT3sfXO67zg7i0AzrjcjmD2iKGPSEu01kg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAAZtbWGnLKj1PKJ7aT3sfXO67zg7i0AzrjcjmD2iKGPSEu01kg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <042801ce9f5e$cd8809f0$68981dd0$@winhaven.net>

I thought maybe I had broke it by replying to an AccessD post for the first
time in forever - thought maybe it went into shock!  :-P

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bryan Carbonnell
Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2013 11:26 AM
To: administrivia at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [dba-Tech] Administrivia - Server Back Up and Running

As you may have noticed, the past couple of days has had sporadic traffic at
best.

After much head scratching, hair pulling out, foul language, and all around
pissed-offedness we are back up and running.

If you notice any issues PLEASE let me know, listmaster at databaseadvisors.com
or carbonnb at gmail.com

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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Thu Aug 22 14:03:06 2013
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2013 15:03:06 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Any Outlook developers here?
Message-ID: <8CEF28A915094C9B86E58D3CF5A04597@SusanHarkins>

>From a reader looking for a little help building custom Outlook forms -- not 
my expertise by any means.

"I need some help creating forms in Outlook. Can you provide some
assistance? If so, what would you charge for about an hour of consulting?
Assuming you are interested, can we do a web meeting Wednesday so I can
show you my problem?"

If interested, contact me at ssharkins at gmail.com

Thanks!
Susan H. 


From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Thu Aug 22 14:07:52 2013
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2013 15:07:52 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Why is there so many OSS projects?
In-Reply-To: <411725636.37071533.1377190978722.JavaMail.root@cds002>
References: <CAEPJO1g34xPoZG1mD_fO13tnRYHjk9+4SFMQN8PY6Mc8qB+odA@mail.gmail.com>
	<411725636.37071533.1377190978722.JavaMail.root@cds002>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1gHXRmdnRVwC74-Yge5P=1OVCk3pG6KDg0u0Fu24YCBmg@mail.gmail.com>

Jim,

I'm working on several projects currently, as part of my in-depth mental
conversion to Alpha Anywhere. One is a volunteer-management system for a
non-profit housing outfit called Woodgreen. I am doing it for nothing.
How's that for recursive? Another one is an app for safety engineers, which
I'm also doing for nothing. A while back I wrote an Access + SQL app for
the premier safety engineering firm in Canada. The app is perfect for
tablet and/or smart phone so I'm rewriting it in Alpha Anywhere. (For those
unacquainted with the term, safety engineering involves inspecting
workstations in a factory, taking measurements of response times and in the
event of non-compliance, making recommendations for fixing the problem.)
Currently the users lug a laptop from workstation to workstation; a tablet
makes a lot more sense.

I've also got something that is part-time, and involves mentoring rather
than hands-on development. The app is the largest Access app I've ever seen
(700,000 lines of code); it talks to a MySQL back end. I'm providing help
and analysis of the app to optimize it for performance; lots of replacing
Access queries with Pass-Through queries that fire stored procedures in the
BE. So far the results have been quite dramatic, in some cases a tenfold
increase in performance.

That's about it, at the moment.


Arthur


On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 1:02 PM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> Hi Arthur:
>
> A very interesting set of comments, Arthur. My question is why so many of
> the best young (or should I just say younger) programmers in the world
> spend so much of their time working on projects that will bring them no
> financial gain... IOW it appears that money is not the main driving factor,
> especially in the computer world...or is that financial motivation is
> easier to quantify in this particular business. Is this the case in most
> businesses?
>
> So what projects are you working on Now?
>
> Jim
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Arthur Fuller" <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <
> dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2013 3:17:45 AM
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Why is there so many OSS projects?
>
> Jim,
>
> I can think of four reasons:
>
> 1. it is so difficult to find the funding for any given project;
> 2. if one has the passion for programming, then funding and subsequent
> corporatization of the concept is way too much pain in the ass;
> 3. Jjust because I had the idea doesn't mean that I have the best
> implementation;
> 4. It's social networking on an intelligent plane, as opposed to the nude
> sex-vids so popular among those with no other claim to fame.
>
> My partner Peter Brawley and I are both working on separate apps, which we
> will both place in the OSS community as soon as they are ready for public
> consumption.
>
> This could be because we are both now senior citizens and thus receiving
> pensions, and therefore have enough to subsist, and consequently, money is
> no longer a goal. Which is not to say that I am averse to money, but merely
> that it is no longer a significant motive. At the moment I'm doing some
> part-time mentoring for a client in San Francisco, and I bill him for about
> 1 hour in 8, because a large part of the task involves research, so that
> part is on my dime not his. I'm doing it because it's intellectually
> interesting. The occasional check is nice, and I invest it in toys such as
> my spanky new laptop, but it is certainly not the goal. As the
> aforementioned Peter is fond of saying, "The best defense against
> Alzheimer's is to Keep Thinking." The virtue of being old enough to collect
> a pension is the freedom to choose which projects are worth your time. In
> days of yore, we used to have an acronym in our company: YAFOES (yet
> another f**king Order Entry System). Been there, done that. Now I'm on to
> more significant problems, almost none of which pay money. And guess what?
> I don't care. I can't afford fancy vacations in sunny climes but that too
> is OK.
>
> Arthur
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 11:10 PM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
>
> > One of these strange questions... It sure can not be the money? So why is
> > there any Open Source projects at all...no money no work may seem logical
> > to many but according to the following article this is not the case.
> Humans
> > are strange animals to say the least and programmers are probably the
> > strangest humans. ;-)
> >
> >
> >
> http://readwrite.com/2013/08/14/mobile-developers-its-not-about-the-money#awesm=~of1TClo7jXYlzl
> >
> > Jim
> > _______________________________________________
> > dba-Tech mailing list
> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
>
>
>
> --
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From jbartow at winhaven.net  Thu Aug 22 14:53:16 2013
From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow)
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2013 14:53:16 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Any Outlook developers here?
In-Reply-To: <8CEF28A915094C9B86E58D3CF5A04597@SusanHarkins>
References: <8CEF28A915094C9B86E58D3CF5A04597@SusanHarkins>
Message-ID: <048201ce9f71$3ee68a60$bcb39f20$@winhaven.net>

That's going to be a tough find Susan. I started down that lane but only
went so far and went into seizures. I will be picking it up again at some
point in the near future but not going to be up to speed for some time. It's
a tangle mess of a world over there in Outlook land. 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2013 2:03 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] Any Outlook developers here?

>From a reader looking for a little help building custom Outlook forms 
>-- not
my expertise by any means.

"I need some help creating forms in Outlook. Can you provide some
assistance? If so, what would you charge for about an hour of consulting?
Assuming you are interested, can we do a web meeting Wednesday so I can show
you my problem?"

If interested, contact me at ssharkins at gmail.com

Thanks!
Susan H. 

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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Thu Aug 22 15:38:55 2013
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2013 16:38:55 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Any Outlook developers here?
References: <8CEF28A915094C9B86E58D3CF5A04597@SusanHarkins>
	<048201ce9f71$3ee68a60$bcb39f20$@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <09B0A3FD2CF94D349A6C4E66377EA9A4@SusanHarkins>

<sigh>

Exactly. I can provide the step-by-step discovery, but I can't really 
provide that customization help they'll want. If it requires script... I can 
do a bit, but again, just enough to get them started. Once they take that 
trail to customization land, I can't really help them. I can't even offer 
suggestions. It's hard to find good documentation too.

Susan H.


> That's going to be a tough find Susan. I started down that lane but only
> went so far and went into seizures. I will be picking it up again at some
> point in the near future but not going to be up to speed for some time. 
> It's
> a tangle mess of a world over there in Outlook land.
>


From jbartow at winhaven.net  Thu Aug 22 16:04:21 2013
From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow)
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2013 16:04:21 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Any Outlook developers here?
In-Reply-To: <09B0A3FD2CF94D349A6C4E66377EA9A4@SusanHarkins>
References: <8CEF28A915094C9B86E58D3CF5A04597@SusanHarkins>	<048201ce9f71$3ee68a60$bcb39f20$@winhaven.net>
	<09B0A3FD2CF94D349A6C4E66377EA9A4@SusanHarkins>
Message-ID: <048e01ce9f7b$2d18d900$874a8b00$@winhaven.net>

A good resource is:
http://www.slipstick.com/outlook-developers/


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2013 3:39 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Any Outlook developers here?

<sigh>

Exactly. I can provide the step-by-step discovery, but I can't really
provide that customization help they'll want. If it requires script... I can
do a bit, but again, just enough to get them started. Once they take that
trail to customization land, I can't really help them. I can't even offer
suggestions. It's hard to find good documentation too.

Susan H.


> That's going to be a tough find Susan. I started down that lane but 
> only went so far and went into seizures. I will be picking it up again 
> at some point in the near future but not going to be up to speed for some
time.
> It's
> a tangle mess of a world over there in Outlook land.
>

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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Thu Aug 22 16:53:48 2013
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2013 17:53:48 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Any Outlook developers here?
References: <8CEF28A915094C9B86E58D3CF5A04597@SusanHarkins>	<048201ce9f71$3ee68a60$bcb39f20$@winhaven.net><09B0A3FD2CF94D349A6C4E66377EA9A4@SusanHarkins>
	<048e01ce9f7b$2d18d900$874a8b00$@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <782AD52379024712BF4F2EA5C3B85B72@SusanHarkins>

I have that site bookmarked already. :) 

Susan H. 



>A good resource is:
> http://www.slipstick.com/outlook-developers/
> 


From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Aug 22 18:15:23 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2013 17:15:23 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Why is there so many OSS projects?
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1gHXRmdnRVwC74-Yge5P=1OVCk3pG6KDg0u0Fu24YCBmg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <587989822.37428152.1377213323813.JavaMail.root@cds002>

Hi Arthur:

That seems about enough for now. My projects right now seem to be related to internal maintenance issues and managing legacy software for clients but this winter all my servers should be run correctly.

To that end there are so many web frameworks that warrant further investigation and as for the BEs I need IIS, Apache, Node and Nginx. Then there is Zimba (mail server) and Mumble (VoIP) server. Right now I am assembling a couple of fully loaded Ubuntu 13.04 boxes for clients. Proof of concept.   

It will have DosBox for all the real old classic games, Wine for any Windows, Adobe application and games you can not normally get on Linx that you just have to have, Arronax for building desktop icons for batch files or any application, Haguichi (It uses LogMeIn's Hamachi OSS), Remmina for all network any OS RDP, SplashTop (the fastest remote desktop program built), Banshee (a very good iTunes replacement, podcasts, videos, radio, movies, books etc.), VLC media player (the best), Gimp, (an Photoshop replacement), OpenShot Video editor (a nearly full professional movie editor), HandBrake (a video converter), Skype and many other enhancements. Ubuntu also, comes right out of the box with a huge number of features (LibraOffice, Thunderbird (mail client), Firefox, backup, UbuntuOne (cloud storage) and so on). I have been trying to think of any features that a user may want...it is only limited by your imagination.  

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Arthur Fuller" <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2013 12:07:52 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Why is there so many OSS projects?

Jim,

I'm working on several projects currently, as part of my in-depth mental
conversion to Alpha Anywhere. One is a volunteer-management system for a
non-profit housing outfit called Woodgreen. I am doing it for nothing.
How's that for recursive? Another one is an app for safety engineers, which
I'm also doing for nothing. A while back I wrote an Access + SQL app for
the premier safety engineering firm in Canada. The app is perfect for
tablet and/or smart phone so I'm rewriting it in Alpha Anywhere. (For those
unacquainted with the term, safety engineering involves inspecting
workstations in a factory, taking measurements of response times and in the
event of non-compliance, making recommendations for fixing the problem.)
Currently the users lug a laptop from workstation to workstation; a tablet
makes a lot more sense.

I've also got something that is part-time, and involves mentoring rather
than hands-on development. The app is the largest Access app I've ever seen
(700,000 lines of code); it talks to a MySQL back end. I'm providing help
and analysis of the app to optimize it for performance; lots of replacing
Access queries with Pass-Through queries that fire stored procedures in the
BE. So far the results have been quite dramatic, in some cases a tenfold
increase in performance.

That's about it, at the moment.


Arthur


On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 1:02 PM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> Hi Arthur:
>
> A very interesting set of comments, Arthur. My question is why so many of
> the best young (or should I just say younger) programmers in the world
> spend so much of their time working on projects that will bring them no
> financial gain... IOW it appears that money is not the main driving factor,
> especially in the computer world...or is that financial motivation is
> easier to quantify in this particular business. Is this the case in most
> businesses?
>
> So what projects are you working on Now?
>
> Jim
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Arthur Fuller" <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <
> dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2013 3:17:45 AM
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Why is there so many OSS projects?
>
> Jim,
>
> I can think of four reasons:
>
> 1. it is so difficult to find the funding for any given project;
> 2. if one has the passion for programming, then funding and subsequent
> corporatization of the concept is way too much pain in the ass;
> 3. Jjust because I had the idea doesn't mean that I have the best
> implementation;
> 4. It's social networking on an intelligent plane, as opposed to the nude
> sex-vids so popular among those with no other claim to fame.
>
> My partner Peter Brawley and I are both working on separate apps, which we
> will both place in the OSS community as soon as they are ready for public
> consumption.
>
> This could be because we are both now senior citizens and thus receiving
> pensions, and therefore have enough to subsist, and consequently, money is
> no longer a goal. Which is not to say that I am averse to money, but merely
> that it is no longer a significant motive. At the moment I'm doing some
> part-time mentoring for a client in San Francisco, and I bill him for about
> 1 hour in 8, because a large part of the task involves research, so that
> part is on my dime not his. I'm doing it because it's intellectually
> interesting. The occasional check is nice, and I invest it in toys such as
> my spanky new laptop, but it is certainly not the goal. As the
> aforementioned Peter is fond of saying, "The best defense against
> Alzheimer's is to Keep Thinking." The virtue of being old enough to collect
> a pension is the freedom to choose which projects are worth your time. In
> days of yore, we used to have an acronym in our company: YAFOES (yet
> another f**king Order Entry System). Been there, done that. Now I'm on to
> more significant problems, almost none of which pay money. And guess what?
> I don't care. I can't afford fancy vacations in sunny climes but that too
> is OK.
>
> Arthur
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 11:10 PM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
>
> > One of these strange questions... It sure can not be the money? So why is
> > there any Open Source projects at all...no money no work may seem logical
> > to many but according to the following article this is not the case.
> Humans
> > are strange animals to say the least and programmers are probably the
> > strangest humans. ;-)
> >
> >
> >
> http://readwrite.com/2013/08/14/mobile-developers-its-not-about-the-money#awesm=~of1TClo7jXYlzl
> >
> > Jim
> > _______________________________________________
> > dba-Tech mailing list
> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Arthur
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> _______________________________________________
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>



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From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Aug 23 13:57:50 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2013 12:57:50 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] The Worst Deals in Tech: Are You Being Fleeced By These
 7 Overpriced Products?
In-Reply-To: <CALGJE96z6EncS3aM0=FdCsX2pq-UpVM6GPT+fh+QP+yqxY=8gQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2127635309.38168584.1377284270450.JavaMail.root@cds002>


http://www.cio.com/article/print/738358

Jim

From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Aug 23 14:01:55 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2013 13:01:55 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Microsoft's next CEO?
In-Reply-To: <CALGJE96z6EncS3aM0=FdCsX2pq-UpVM6GPT+fh+QP+yqxY=8gQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <742188650.38172290.1377284515243.JavaMail.root@cds002>

As Steve Ballmer is finally retiring who will be next to steer the Windows giant?

http://www.theverge.com/2013/8/23/4651536/who-will-be-the-next-microsoft-ceo

Jim

From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Aug 23 16:28:22 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2013 15:28:22 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] The infamous start button
In-Reply-To: <CALGJE96z6EncS3aM0=FdCsX2pq-UpVM6GPT+fh+QP+yqxY=8gQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <987546752.38294185.1377293302759.JavaMail.root@cds002>

It seems that the world's biggest PC maker is adding a start button to all their Win8 computers.

It of course comes down to sales and what the customer wants and there is more...

http://blogs.computerworld.com/windows/22698/worlds-biggest-pc-maker-disses-microsoft-adds-real-start-menu-and-app-store-windows-8

Jim

From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Aug 23 16:40:12 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2013 15:40:12 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Ubuntu Edge failed to make their $32 million
In-Reply-To: <987546752.38294185.1377293302759.JavaMail.root@cds002>
Message-ID: <1420206930.38302893.1377294012263.JavaMail.root@cds002>

But the $12 million it did manage to temporarily receive in pledges is still the highest rated Kickstarter project ever. It is amazing that that many people would put up that much cash on a product still on the drawing board.

http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2013/aug/22/ubuntu-edge-founder-failure-canonical

I am sure the Edge Ubuntu smartphone will be coming out regardless...just what we need more competition. 

Jim

From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Aug 23 16:54:14 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2013 15:54:14 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] You have to be kidding
In-Reply-To: <1420206930.38302893.1377294012263.JavaMail.root@cds002>
Message-ID: <331389433.38312597.1377294854671.JavaMail.root@cds002>

Microsoft in a bribery scandal?

http://allthingsd.com/20130822/microsoft-bribe-probe-reaches-into-pakistan-russia-deals/

MS software doesn't need any help, does it? ;-)

Jim

From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Aug 23 16:58:50 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2013 15:58:50 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] One developers recommended Christmas learning schedule
In-Reply-To: <1420206930.38302893.1377294012263.JavaMail.root@cds002>
Message-ID: <243380823.38315292.1377295130772.JavaMail.root@cds002>

The following link give one programmers recommendation on what we should be learning and mastering...by next spring.

Nothing like pacing yourself: http://www.infoworld.com/print/225344

Jim

From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Aug 23 17:06:53 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2013 16:06:53 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] SourceForge is dead
In-Reply-To: <987546752.38294185.1377293302759.JavaMail.root@cds002>
Message-ID: <244178211.38322120.1377295613505.JavaMail.root@cds002>

Do not download from SourceForge unless you do no mind the many pieces of ad aware products and some crapware bordering on malware. The days of being able to trust a piece of proprietary software may also be dead... 

http://www.gluster.org/2013/08/how-far-the-once-mighty-sourceforge-has-fallen/

Jim 

From Gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Aug 23 17:13:31 2013
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2013 00:13:31 +0200
Subject: [dba-Tech] The infamous start button
Message-ID: <s217fad7.071@cactus.dk>

Hi Jim

Yes I saw it. Yet a piece of crapware to uninstall.

/gustav

>>> accessd at shaw.ca 23-08-13 23:28 >>>
It seems that the world's biggest PC maker is adding a start button to all their Win8 computers.

It of course comes down to sales and what the customer wants and there is more...

http://blogs.computerworld.com/windows/22698/worlds-biggest-pc-maker-disses-microsoft-adds-real-start-menu-and-app-store-windows-8

Jim


From Gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Aug 23 17:24:07 2013
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2013 00:24:07 +0200
Subject: [dba-Tech] SourceForge is dead
Message-ID: <s217fd4e.072@cactus.dk>

Hi Jim

That's why we use CSIS Secure DNS:

"The website ak.pipoffers.apnpartners.com was blocked by CSIS Secure DNS."

---
CSIS Secure DNS is a service which blocks access to websites and domains which are considered dangerous by CSIS. 
CSIS continually receives and collects information regarding current IT-threats. This information is used to determine which websites and domains should be blocked.

The blocked websites and domains are continually updated both automatically and manually. If a legitimate/non-malicious website is blocked, you can submit a complaint by clicking the link "Please revalidate this entry".

When you click on this link, the website in question will be re-evaluated and its legitimacy reconsidered. The link will only be present if three or more days have passed since the last revalidation.
---

http://www.csis.dk/en/business/securedns/

CSIS is not "somebody" but a premium security advisor.
Highly recommended.

/gustav

>>> accessd at shaw.ca 24-08-13 0:06 >>>
Do not download from SourceForge unless you do no mind the many pieces of ad aware products and some crapware bordering on malware. The days of being able to trust a piece of proprietary software may also be dead... 

http://www.gluster.org/2013/08/how-far-the-once-mighty-sourceforge-has-fallen/

Jim 


From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Aug 23 17:47:43 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2013 16:47:43 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] SourceForge is dead
In-Reply-To: <s217fd4e.072@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <1084788282.38348759.1377298063595.JavaMail.root@cds002>

Hi Gustav:

It sounds like a great product. 

At cursory first look I could not find any information on the pricing or managing within a network. 

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <Gustav at cactus.dk>
To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 3:24:07 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] SourceForge is dead

Hi Jim

That's why we use CSIS Secure DNS:

"The website ak.pipoffers.apnpartners.com was blocked by CSIS Secure DNS."

---
CSIS Secure DNS is a service which blocks access to websites and domains which are considered dangerous by CSIS. 
CSIS continually receives and collects information regarding current IT-threats. This information is used to determine which websites and domains should be blocked.

The blocked websites and domains are continually updated both automatically and manually. If a legitimate/non-malicious website is blocked, you can submit a complaint by clicking the link "Please revalidate this entry".

When you click on this link, the website in question will be re-evaluated and its legitimacy reconsidered. The link will only be present if three or more days have passed since the last revalidation.
---

http://www.csis.dk/en/business/securedns/

CSIS is not "somebody" but a premium security advisor.
Highly recommended.

/gustav

>>> accessd at shaw.ca 24-08-13 0:06 >>>
Do not download from SourceForge unless you do no mind the many pieces of ad aware products and some crapware bordering on malware. The days of being able to trust a piece of proprietary software may also be dead... 

http://www.gluster.org/2013/08/how-far-the-once-mighty-sourceforge-has-fallen/

Jim 

_______________________________________________
dba-Tech mailing list
dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com

From Gustav at cactus.dk  Sat Aug 24 03:47:58 2013
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2013 10:47:58 +0200
Subject: [dba-Tech] Svar: Re:  SourceForge is dead
Message-ID: <s2188f7e.075@cactus.dk>

Hi Jim

It is very reasonable. Secure DNS is about USD 30 per user per year.

If you have coworkers or clients - like I do - who work with authorities and on-line banking and accounting, you will find that they quite often are scared by all the stories about hijacking and phishing and drive-by pickupped malware. In such cases Secure DNS is a bargain.

Also, at zero cost, I've found that turning on Tracking Protection in IE cuts off a lot of unwanted traffic - with the side effect that many public sites load faster.

/gustav

>>> accessd at shaw.ca 01-01-70 1:00 >>>
Hi Gustav:

It sounds like a great product. 

At cursory first look I could not find any information on the pricing or managing within a network. 

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <Gustav at cactus.dk>
To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 3:24:07 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] SourceForge is dead

Hi Jim

That's why we use CSIS Secure DNS:

"The website ak.pipoffers.apnpartners.com was blocked by CSIS Secure DNS."

---
CSIS Secure DNS is a service which blocks access to websites and domains which are considered dangerous by CSIS. 
CSIS continually receives and collects information regarding current IT-threats. This information is used to determine which websites and domains should be blocked.

The blocked websites and domains are continually updated both automatically and manually. If a legitimate/non-malicious website is blocked, you can submit a complaint by clicking the link "Please revalidate this entry".

When you click on this link, the website in question will be re-evaluated and its legitimacy reconsidered. The link will only be present if three or more days have passed since the last revalidation.
---

http://www.csis.dk/en/business/securedns/

CSIS is not "somebody" but a premium security advisor.
Highly recommended.

/gustav

>>> accessd at shaw.ca 24-08-13 0:06 >>>
Do not download from SourceForge unless you do no mind the many pieces of ad aware products and some crapware bordering on malware. The days of being able to trust a piece of proprietary software may also be dead... 

http://www.gluster.org/2013/08/how-far-the-once-mighty-sourceforge-has-fallen/

Jim 


From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Sat Aug 24 06:51:55 2013
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2013 07:51:55 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Google Calendar broken?
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1hfCW2BXz-9oQivi-jezgHxHa8roW8-PcHB0hCJndh5jQ@mail.gmail.com>

Something strange has just happened to my Google Calendar. I can still
create events on the visible week, but suddenly I can no longer select a
date from the little monthly display, nor can I switch the view to day or
month. Something broke and I don't know what.

Maybe the only choice is to uninstall Calendar and then reinstall?

-- 
Arthur

From peter.brawley at earthlink.net  Sat Aug 24 08:56:08 2013
From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley)
Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2013 08:56:08 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Google Calendar broken?
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1hfCW2BXz-9oQivi-jezgHxHa8roW8-PcHB0hCJndh5jQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1hfCW2BXz-9oQivi-jezgHxHa8roW8-PcHB0hCJndh5jQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5218BB78.80303@earthlink.net>

On 2013-08-24 6:51 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote:
> Something strange has just happened to my Google Calendar. I can still
> create events on the visible week, but suddenly I can no longer select a
> date from the little monthly display, nor can I switch the view to day or
> month. Something broke and I don't know what.
>
> Maybe the only choice is to uninstall Calendar and then reinstall?

Doubt it. Is it set to be offline?

PB

From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Sat Aug 24 09:00:58 2013
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2013 10:00:58 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Google Calendar broken?
In-Reply-To: <5218BB78.80303@earthlink.net>
References: <CAEPJO1hfCW2BXz-9oQivi-jezgHxHa8roW8-PcHB0hCJndh5jQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<5218BB78.80303@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1gKVJBFNSboPD=37xK2ALbiyCgKD9UikiBKYAnQqbp7ew@mail.gmail.com>

Turns out that was only the beginning of my problems. It appears that the
hard disk on the laptop has failed. Good thing it's still under warranty.

A.


On Sat, Aug 24, 2013 at 9:56 AM, Peter Brawley
<peter.brawley at earthlink.net>wrote:

> On 2013-08-24 6:51 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote:
>
>> Something strange has just happened to my Google Calendar. I can still
>> create events on the visible week, but suddenly I can no longer select a
>> date from the little monthly display, nor can I switch the view to day or
>> month. Something broke and I don't know what.
>>
>> Maybe the only choice is to uninstall Calendar and then reinstall?
>>
>
> Doubt it. Is it set to be offline?
>
> PB
> ______________________________**_________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/dba-tech<http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech>
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com<http://www.databaseadvisors.com>
>



-- 
Arthur

From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Sat Aug 24 09:16:00 2013
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2013 10:16:00 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] One developers recommended Christmas learning
	schedule
In-Reply-To: <243380823.38315292.1377295130772.JavaMail.root@cds002>
References: <243380823.38315292.1377295130772.JavaMail.root@cds002>
Message-ID: <5218C020.9070207@torchlake.com>

Thanks, Jim.  The list looks very interesting.  I'm already working on 
Node.js, but I haven't tackled Hadoop, yet.  Will look into it.
TNF

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
231-322-2787

On 8/23/2013 5:58 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote:
> The following link give one programmers recommendation on what we should be learning and mastering...by next spring.
>
> Nothing like pacing yourself: http://www.infoworld.com/print/225344
>
> Jim
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>


From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Sat Aug 24 09:20:44 2013
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2013 10:20:44 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] SourceForge is dead
In-Reply-To: <244178211.38322120.1377295613505.JavaMail.root@cds002>
References: <244178211.38322120.1377295613505.JavaMail.root@cds002>
Message-ID: <5218C13C.3050006@torchlake.com>

Again, thanks, Jim.  This is disheartening, but since Dice is the new 
owner I cannot say I am amazed.
TNF

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
231-322-2787

On 8/23/2013 6:06 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote:
> Do not download from SourceForge unless you do no mind the many pieces of ad aware products and some crapware bordering on malware. The days of being able to trust a piece of proprietary software may also be dead...
>
> http://www.gluster.org/2013/08/how-far-the-once-mighty-sourceforge-has-fallen/
>
> Jim
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>


From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Sat Aug 24 09:24:33 2013
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2013 10:24:33 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Google Calendar broken?
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1hfCW2BXz-9oQivi-jezgHxHa8roW8-PcHB0hCJndh5jQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1hfCW2BXz-9oQivi-jezgHxHa8roW8-PcHB0hCJndh5jQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5218C221.3030205@torchlake.com>

Hmm - Mine is still working.  Reboot first, before uninstalling and 
reinstalling, to see if that will work?
TNF

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
231-322-2787

On 8/24/2013 7:51 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote:
> Something strange has just happened to my Google Calendar. I can still
> create events on the visible week, but suddenly I can no longer select a
> date from the little monthly display, nor can I switch the view to day or
> month. Something broke and I don't know what.
>
> Maybe the only choice is to uninstall Calendar and then reinstall?
>


From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Sat Aug 24 09:38:10 2013
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2013 10:38:10 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Google Calendar broken?
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1gKVJBFNSboPD=37xK2ALbiyCgKD9UikiBKYAnQqbp7ew@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1hfCW2BXz-9oQivi-jezgHxHa8roW8-PcHB0hCJndh5jQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<5218BB78.80303@earthlink.net>
	<CAEPJO1gKVJBFNSboPD=37xK2ALbiyCgKD9UikiBKYAnQqbp7ew@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5218C552.6070604@torchlake.com>

Oh my.  Glad you got that figured out right away - and that the HD is 
still under warranty.
TNF

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
231-322-2787

On 8/24/2013 10:00 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote:
> Turns out that was only the beginning of my problems. It appears that the
> hard disk on the laptop has failed. Good thing it's still under warranty.
>
> A.
>
>
> On Sat, Aug 24, 2013 at 9:56 AM, Peter Brawley
> <peter.brawley at earthlink.net>wrote:
>
>> On 2013-08-24 6:51 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote:
>>
>>> Something strange has just happened to my Google Calendar. I can still
>>> create events on the visible week, but suddenly I can no longer select a
>>> date from the little monthly display, nor can I switch the view to day or
>>> month. Something broke and I don't know what.
>>>
>>> Maybe the only choice is to uninstall Calendar and then reinstall?
>>>
>> Doubt it. Is it set to be offline?
>>
>> PB
>> ______________________________**_________________
>> dba-Tech mailing list
>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/dba-tech<http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech>
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com<http://www.databaseadvisors.com>
>>
>
>


From accessd at shaw.ca  Sat Aug 24 11:57:48 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2013 10:57:48 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Svar: Re:  SourceForge is dead
In-Reply-To: <s2188f7e.075@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <1050820718.38774458.1377363468396.JavaMail.root@cds002>

Hi Gustav:

Thanks for your information. Even though I can not use it immediately, I will save for future reference.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <Gustav at cactus.dk>
To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 1:47:58 AM
Subject: [dba-Tech] Svar: Re:  SourceForge is dead

Hi Jim

It is very reasonable. Secure DNS is about USD 30 per user per year.

If you have coworkers or clients - like I do - who work with authorities and on-line banking and accounting, you will find that they quite often are scared by all the stories about hijacking and phishing and drive-by pickupped malware. In such cases Secure DNS is a bargain.

Also, at zero cost, I've found that turning on Tracking Protection in IE cuts off a lot of unwanted traffic - with the side effect that many public sites load faster.

/gustav

>>> accessd at shaw.ca 01-01-70 1:00 >>>
Hi Gustav:

It sounds like a great product. 

At cursory first look I could not find any information on the pricing or managing within a network. 

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <Gustav at cactus.dk>
To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 3:24:07 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] SourceForge is dead

Hi Jim

That's why we use CSIS Secure DNS:

"The website ak.pipoffers.apnpartners.com was blocked by CSIS Secure DNS."

---
CSIS Secure DNS is a service which blocks access to websites and domains which are considered dangerous by CSIS. 
CSIS continually receives and collects information regarding current IT-threats. This information is used to determine which websites and domains should be blocked.

The blocked websites and domains are continually updated both automatically and manually. If a legitimate/non-malicious website is blocked, you can submit a complaint by clicking the link "Please revalidate this entry".

When you click on this link, the website in question will be re-evaluated and its legitimacy reconsidered. The link will only be present if three or more days have passed since the last revalidation.
---

http://www.csis.dk/en/business/securedns/

CSIS is not "somebody" but a premium security advisor.
Highly recommended.

/gustav

>>> accessd at shaw.ca 24-08-13 0:06 >>>
Do not download from SourceForge unless you do no mind the many pieces of ad aware products and some crapware bordering on malware. The days of being able to trust a piece of proprietary software may also be dead... 

http://www.gluster.org/2013/08/how-far-the-once-mighty-sourceforge-has-fallen/

Jim 

_______________________________________________
dba-Tech mailing list
dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com

From accessd at shaw.ca  Sat Aug 24 17:53:03 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2013 16:53:03 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Google Calendar broken?
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1gKVJBFNSboPD=37xK2ALbiyCgKD9UikiBKYAnQqbp7ew@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <594235215.38923566.1377384783410.JavaMail.root@cds002>

Backup?

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Arthur Fuller" <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 7:00:58 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Google Calendar broken?

Turns out that was only the beginning of my problems. It appears that the
hard disk on the laptop has failed. Good thing it's still under warranty.

A.


On Sat, Aug 24, 2013 at 9:56 AM, Peter Brawley
<peter.brawley at earthlink.net>wrote:

> On 2013-08-24 6:51 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote:
>
>> Something strange has just happened to my Google Calendar. I can still
>> create events on the visible week, but suddenly I can no longer select a
>> date from the little monthly display, nor can I switch the view to day or
>> month. Something broke and I don't know what.
>>
>> Maybe the only choice is to uninstall Calendar and then reinstall?
>>
>
> Doubt it. Is it set to be offline?
>
> PB
> ______________________________**_________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/dba-tech<http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech>
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com<http://www.databaseadvisors.com>
>



-- 
Arthur
_______________________________________________
dba-Tech mailing list
dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com

From accessd at shaw.ca  Sun Aug 25 11:40:57 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2013 10:40:57 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] SourceForge is dead
In-Reply-To: <5218C13C.3050006@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <371036197.39253205.1377448857520.JavaMail.root@cds002>

The new owners are something else.

Not everything can be monetized, especially in such a cheesy way...

To me it is akin to having, uncle George, a car salesman, in a checker suit, in a booth, selling cars at a wedding...totally inappropriate. If you can visualize, the car salesman, Mr.Wormwood, from Roald Dahl's book, Matilda and then so brilliantly portrayed, by the actor Danny DeVito, years later, the picture is complete.   

Jim  

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tina Norris Fields" <tinanfields at torchlake.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 7:20:44 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] SourceForge is dead

Again, thanks, Jim.  This is disheartening, but since Dice is the new 
owner I cannot say I am amazed.
TNF

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
231-322-2787

On 8/23/2013 6:06 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote:
> Do not download from SourceForge unless you do no mind the many pieces of ad aware products and some crapware bordering on malware. The days of being able to trust a piece of proprietary software may also be dead...
>
> http://www.gluster.org/2013/08/how-far-the-once-mighty-sourceforge-has-fallen/
>
> Jim
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>

_______________________________________________
dba-Tech mailing list
dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com

From accessd at shaw.ca  Sun Aug 25 11:51:24 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2013 10:51:24 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] One developers recommended Christmas
	learning	schedule
In-Reply-To: <5218C020.9070207@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <703039970.39257102.1377449484253.JavaMail.root@cds002>

Here is an interesting article giving an overview on Node.js...what is should be used for, what it shouldn't be used for and suggestions on how it should be implemented. There is a list of apps that are using/implementing it and links to examples and further discussion. 

http://www.toptal.com/nodejs/why-the-hell-would-i-use-node-js

It appears that the writer did a lot of study on Node and this one could be used for reference material.
 
Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tina Norris Fields" <tinanfields at torchlake.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 7:16:00 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] One developers recommended Christmas learning	schedule

Thanks, Jim.  The list looks very interesting.  I'm already working on 
Node.js, but I haven't tackled Hadoop, yet.  Will look into it.
TNF

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
231-322-2787

On 8/23/2013 5:58 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote:
> The following link give one programmers recommendation on what we should be learning and mastering...by next spring.
>
> Nothing like pacing yourself: http://www.infoworld.com/print/225344
>
> Jim
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>

_______________________________________________
dba-Tech mailing list
dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com

From accessd at shaw.ca  Sun Aug 25 13:57:53 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2013 12:57:53 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] The last will and testament of Steven Ballmer
In-Reply-To: <s217fd4e.072@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <1185710097.39320982.1377457073485.JavaMail.root@cds002>

It may not be polite to speak disparagingly of the dead but with Steve Ballmer, exceptions are acceptable. 

His efforts at Microsoft has given Windows plenty of bad press and cancelled out much of the companies growth potential as well as chasing away the best programmers in the industry, which has probably set the company back at least five and maybe ten years. Even Ballmer announcing he is leaving spawned, a huge stock rally...it must give him some pause of thought when he received a huge standing ovation, as he heads for the door. 

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/08/24/top_10_steve_ballmer_quotes_from_microsoft_history

Jim

 

From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Sun Aug 25 14:25:09 2013
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2013 15:25:09 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] SourceForge is dead
In-Reply-To: <371036197.39253205.1377448857520.JavaMail.root@cds002>
References: <371036197.39253205.1377448857520.JavaMail.root@cds002>
Message-ID: <521A5A15.5080500@torchlake.com>

I definitely get the picture!
TNF

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
231-322-2787

On 8/25/2013 12:40 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote:
> The new owners are something else.
>
> Not everything can be monetized, especially in such a cheesy way...
>
> To me it is akin to having, uncle George, a car salesman, in a checker suit, in a booth, selling cars at a wedding...totally inappropriate. If you can visualize, the car salesman, Mr.Wormwood, from Roald Dahl's book, Matilda and then so brilliantly portrayed, by the actor Danny DeVito, years later, the picture is complete.
>
> Jim
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tina Norris Fields" <tinanfields at torchlake.com>
> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 7:20:44 AM
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] SourceForge is dead
>
> Again, thanks, Jim.  This is disheartening, but since Dice is the new
> owner I cannot say I am amazed.
> TNF
>
> Tina Norris Fields
> tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
> 231-322-2787
>
> On 8/23/2013 6:06 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote:
>> Do not download from SourceForge unless you do no mind the many pieces of ad aware products and some crapware bordering on malware. The days of being able to trust a piece of proprietary software may also be dead...
>>
>> http://www.gluster.org/2013/08/how-far-the-once-mighty-sourceforge-has-fallen/
>>
>> Jim
>> _______________________________________________
>> dba-Tech mailing list
>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>


From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Aug 26 15:19:30 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2013 14:19:30 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] A new mail client
In-Reply-To: <s217fd4e.072@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <2048645214.40181035.1377548370342.JavaMail.root@cds002>

Hi All:

If you have had your fill with Outlook and want to move to fully integratable (supports all the big mail servers, Zimbra, Exchange and so on), portable self-hosting email client (can even run off a USB stick), called Mailpile, here may be the app for you. It runs on all platforms, is very fast, full featured, very secure and open source. According to their forum, the developers will be putting bitmessage (a bitTorrent encrypted email transport protocol) into this email package as an added bonus.

http://www.mailpile.is

Now, for a business, all you need to do is roll your own email server for complete email security. Currently the best looking option for that is Zimbra. Note: it only runs on 64bit hardware.

Jim    

From garykjos at gmail.com  Tue Aug 27 08:17:03 2013
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2013 08:17:03 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] A new mail client
In-Reply-To: <2048645214.40181035.1377548370342.JavaMail.root@cds002>
References: <s217fd4e.072@cactus.dk>
	<2048645214.40181035.1377548370342.JavaMail.root@cds002>
Message-ID: <CAJ2R_p+yvNb=o2GAD97Ly6f8dww9H9X+wd+FHqe93x7LiGhtMw@mail.gmail.com>

No calendering?  Not really a replacement for Outlook in a business
environment without that in my opinion.

GK


On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 3:19 PM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> Hi All:
>
> If you have had your fill with Outlook and want to move to fully
> integratable (supports all the big mail servers, Zimbra, Exchange and so
> on), portable self-hosting email client (can even run off a USB stick),
> called Mailpile, here may be the app for you. It runs on all platforms, is
> very fast, full featured, very secure and open source. According to their
> forum, the developers will be putting bitmessage (a bitTorrent encrypted
> email transport protocol) into this email package as an added bonus.
>
> http://www.mailpile.is
>
> Now, for a business, all you need to do is roll your own email server for
> complete email security. Currently the best looking option for that is
> Zimbra. Note: it only runs on 64bit hardware.
>
> Jim
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>



-- 
Gary Kjos
garykjos at gmail.com

From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Tue Aug 27 11:50:07 2013
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2013 20:50:07 +0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?Developing_Minecraft_Pocket_Edition_=28MCPE?=
 =?utf-8?q?=29_ModPE_Script/Javascrip_plug-ins=2E=2E=2E?=
Message-ID: <1377622207.501131600@f178.i.mail.ru>

 Hi All --

I have got challenged by my son (12 yo) today to help him to make a simple ModPE Script/Javascript module for an MCPE entity behaviour. We've made it together but only partially. Still to find how to (queue and) process several quick taps on an entity's different surfaces/sides/parts - our solution currently processes last tap only. Anybody to help with links on ready to use samples and/or good tutorials?

FYI: So far we have used the following sources:

http://www.minecraftforum.net/topic/1919439-release-modpe-script-v05-alpha-new-update-with-installer/

Make your own Minecraft PE Mods using ModPE Script!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=znQZsAkE8AM
Minecraft PE - ModPE Tutorial #1 - YouTube ( also 2,3,4...)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nrsQZ95jyDo

Minecraft Pocket Edition info:

https://minecraft.net/pocket

http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Pocket_Edition
Thank you.
-- 
???????????? ??????

From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Aug 27 13:05:16 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2013 11:05:16 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] A new mail client
In-Reply-To: <CAJ2R_p+yvNb=o2GAD97Ly6f8dww9H9X+wd+FHqe93x7LiGhtMw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <s217fd4e.072@cactus.dk><2048645214.40181035.1377548370342.JavaMail.root@cds002>
	<CAJ2R_p+yvNb=o2GAD97Ly6f8dww9H9X+wd+FHqe93x7LiGhtMw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6E19CB8E2B554C90828B7991FCA80F18@server2003>

Hi Gary:

A very good point. 

I have send Brennan Novak and Bjarni Einarsson, the two programming leads,
an email to that point and did give a donation.

So we shall see.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos
Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2013 6:17 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] A new mail client

No calendering?  Not really a replacement for Outlook in a business
environment without that in my opinion.

GK


On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 3:19 PM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> Hi All:
>
> If you have had your fill with Outlook and want to move to fully
> integratable (supports all the big mail servers, Zimbra, Exchange and so
> on), portable self-hosting email client (can even run off a USB stick),
> called Mailpile, here may be the app for you. It runs on all platforms, is
> very fast, full featured, very secure and open source. According to their
> forum, the developers will be putting bitmessage (a bitTorrent encrypted
> email transport protocol) into this email package as an added bonus.
>
> http://www.mailpile.is
>
> Now, for a business, all you need to do is roll your own email server for
> complete email security. Currently the best looking option for that is
> Zimbra. Note: it only runs on 64bit hardware.
>
> Jim
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>



-- 
Gary Kjos
garykjos at gmail.com
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dba-Tech mailing list
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Aug 27 13:08:58 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2013 11:08:58 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Developing Minecraft Pocket Edition (MCPE) ModPE
	Script/Javascrip plug-ins...
In-Reply-To: <1377622207.501131600@f178.i.mail.ru>
References: <1377622207.501131600@f178.i.mail.ru>
Message-ID: <C7EAE96D86554201AB473ACF4BA4C6EB@server2003>

Hi Shamil:

Sorry I do not have the expertise for that but I believe at least one of
this list does.

So what code do you have so far? 

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov
Shamil
Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2013 9:50 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Softw
Subject: [dba-Tech] Developing Minecraft Pocket Edition (MCPE) ModPE
Script/Javascrip plug-ins...

 Hi All --

I have got challenged by my son (12 yo) today to help him to make a simple
ModPE Script/Javascript module for an MCPE entity behaviour. We've made it
together but only partially. Still to find how to (queue and) process
several quick taps on an entity's different surfaces/sides/parts - our
solution currently processes last tap only. Anybody to help with links on
ready to use samples and/or good tutorials?

FYI: So far we have used the following sources:

http://www.minecraftforum.net/topic/1919439-release-modpe-script-v05-alpha-n
ew-update-with-installer/

Make your own Minecraft PE Mods using ModPE Script!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=znQZsAkE8AM
Minecraft PE - ModPE Tutorial #1 - YouTube ( also 2,3,4...)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nrsQZ95jyDo

Minecraft Pocket Edition info:

https://minecraft.net/pocket

http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Pocket_Edition
Thank you.
-- 
???????????? ??????
_______________________________________________
dba-Tech mailing list
dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com



From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Aug 27 17:25:41 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2013 16:25:41 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] How to create a mail client that does not need a mail
	server
In-Reply-To: <2048645214.40181035.1377548370342.JavaMail.root@cds002>
Message-ID: <1829490398.41345949.1377642341757.JavaMail.root@cds002>

Hi All:

The new BitMessage mail client application is unique in that it does not require a mail server...it is totally self-contained. (Can run from a USB card.) This can be quite useful, if abroad or just out and can not get access to a email host. It also provides a level of security via encryption. (It may not be perfect but many people like to draw the curtains when getting changed.)

It original source is derived from the excellent package called BitTorrent sync (http://labs.bittorrent.com/experiments/sync.html) which is great transferring files, very fast, around your network or via UNC or VPN.

Here is a link to a broad overview of the application BitMessage:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bitmessage

...And here is a link to BitMessages Wiki:

https://bitmessage.org/wiki/Main_Page

...and finally how to install the package on your Linux station:

http://linuxaria.com/recensioni/bitmessage-encrypted-messaging-bitcoin-style?lang=en

There is also a fully compiled, ready to go, Windows version, at the following address:

https://bitmessage.org/download/windows/Bitmessage.exe

Have fun
Jim
 

From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Wed Aug 28 04:57:21 2013
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 05:57:21 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Home Network Setup
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1gWu-AJfLX-D7=tUpN58+b-bsVjLBJ2oF8k7Wp682JeUg@mail.gmail.com>

This may strike you as odd, but even though I've been in the business for
30ish years, I have never set up a network, not even a home network. And
now, for the first time, I have two computers at home and running, so it's
time to take the leap.

On box, my faithful old tower, runs Windows 7 and has been declared a part
of a workgroup called Camelot. The other, a fancy new laptop, has so far
not been declared - principally because I can't find where to do so in the
Windows 8 UI.

Both computers are connected to a wireless router. My sole printer (a
Brother MFC-J625-DW) is connected to the Windows 7 tower, but it allegedly
can do wireless as well. I'll have to dig up the manual to see how that is
done. Anyway, the goal is to have the computers able to see other other's
files, and in particular the pair of USB external drives, which at the
moment are connected to the tower.

My questions:
1. How do I declare the Windows 8 laptop to be part of the Camelot?
 workgroup?
2. Once that is achieved, are there any extra steps I must carry out to
make the machines visible to one another?
3. I'm OK with skipping the wireless printer connection, since the only
time I'll ever be moving it is if I move out of my apartment. But I do want
the printer to be visible to the laptop. How do I do that?

TIA,
-- 
Arthur

From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Wed Aug 28 08:45:09 2013
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 17:45:09 +0400
Subject: [dba-Tech]
 =?utf-8?q?Developing_Minecraft_Pocket_Edition_=28MCPE?=
 =?utf-8?q?=29_ModPE_Script/Javascrip_plug-ins=2E=2E=2E?=
In-Reply-To: <C7EAE96D86554201AB473ACF4BA4C6EB@server2003>
References: <1377622207.501131600@f178.i.mail.ru>
	<C7EAE96D86554201AB473ACF4BA4C6EB@server2003>
Message-ID: <1377697509.753657307@f345.i.mail.ru>

 Hi Jim --

The code we have got here ?is based on the script template presented on this web page:

http://www.minecraftforum.net/topic/1919439-release-modpe-script-v05-alpha-new-update-with-installer/

Basically there is one entry ?(main) function:

function useItem(x,y,z,itemId,blockId,side)
and several 'hook' functions AFAIU.

<<<
but I believe at least one of?this list does.
>>>
I guess I know his name :)

Thank you.

-- Shamil


Tuesday, August 27, 2013 11:08 AM -07:00 from "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca>:
>Hi Shamil:
>
>Sorry I do not have the expertise for that but I believe at least one of
>this list does.
>
>So what code do you have so far? 
>
>Jim
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From:  dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov
>Shamil
>Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2013 9:50 AM
>To: Discussion of Hardware and Softw
>Subject: [dba-Tech] Developing Minecraft Pocket Edition (MCPE) ModPE
>Script/Javascrip plug-ins...
>
>?Hi All --
>
>I have got challenged by my son (12 yo) today to help him to make a simple
>ModPE Script/Javascript module for an MCPE entity behaviour. We've made it
>together but only partially. Still to find how to (queue and) process
>several quick taps on an entity's different surfaces/sides/parts - our
>solution currently processes last tap only. Anybody to help with links on
>ready to use samples and/or good tutorials?
>
>FYI: So far we have used the following sources:
>
>http://www.minecraftforum.net/topic/1919439-release-modpe-script-v05-alpha-n
>ew-update-with-installer/
>
>Make your own Minecraft PE Mods using ModPE Script!
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=znQZsAkE8AM
>Minecraft PE - ModPE Tutorial #1 - YouTube ( also 2,3,4...)
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nrsQZ95jyDo
>
>Minecraft Pocket Edition info:
>
>https://minecraft.net/pocket
>
>http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Pocket_Edition
>Thank you.
>-- 
>???????????? ??????
>_______________________________________________
>dba-Tech mailing list
>dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>Website:  http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Aug 28 13:07:36 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 12:07:36 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Home Network Setup
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1gWu-AJfLX-D7=tUpN58+b-bsVjLBJ2oF8k7Wp682JeUg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <892780199.42110527.1377713256602.JavaMail.root@cds002>

Inline:...

----- Original Message -----
From: "Arthur Fuller" <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 2:57:21 AM
Subject: [dba-Tech] Home Network Setup

This may strike you as odd, but even though I've been in the business for
30ish years, I have never set up a network, not even a home network. And
now, for the first time, I have two computers at home and running, so it's
time to take the leap.

On box, my faithful old tower, runs Windows 7 and has been declared a part
of a workgroup called Camelot. The other, a fancy new laptop, has so far
not been declared - principally because I can't find where to do so in the
Windows 8 UI.

Both computers are connected to a wireless router. My sole printer (a
Brother MFC-J625-DW) is connected to the Windows 7 tower, but it allegedly
can do wireless as well. I'll have to dig up the manual to see how that is
done. Anyway, the goal is to have the computers able to see other other's
files, and in particular the pair of USB external drives, which at the
moment are connected to the tower.

My questions:
1. How do I declare the Windows 8 laptop to be part of the Camelot?
 workgroup?

...Both computers have to be in the same workgroup (Camelot in this case. You don't have a domain or server). Both computers be in the same network and that mean their IP addresses must be in the same group; default is 192.168.123.xxx, (for example, each computer would be xxx = 065 and 066 respectively...I like to hard-wire IP addresses as I hate wandering computers.) 255.255.255.0 and the gateway/DNS is probably the same as the router which should be something like 192.168.123.001 (254?), 255.255.255.0

2. Once that is achieved, are there any extra steps I must carry out to
make the machines visible to one another?

...restart each computer.

3. I'm OK with skipping the wireless printer connection, since the only
time I'll ever be moving it is if I move out of my apartment. But I do want
the printer to be visible to the laptop. How do I do that?

...You have to share the printer and any directories in any the two computers you want the other computer to see.

This is the abridged version but you can probably fill in the computer specifics being a programmer guy.
 
TIA,
-- 
Arthur
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From peter.brawley at earthlink.net  Wed Aug 28 13:36:05 2013
From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley)
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 13:36:05 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Home Network Setup
In-Reply-To: <892780199.42110527.1377713256602.JavaMail.root@cds002>
References: <892780199.42110527.1377713256602.JavaMail.root@cds002>
Message-ID: <521E4315.8080607@earthlink.net>

> ...restart each computer.

And wait a bit! It can take a Windows machine a little while to find new 
network machines.

PB

-----

On 2013-08-28 1:07 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote:
> Inline:...
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Arthur Fuller" <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 2:57:21 AM
> Subject: [dba-Tech] Home Network Setup
>
> This may strike you as odd, but even though I've been in the business for
> 30ish years, I have never set up a network, not even a home network. And
> now, for the first time, I have two computers at home and running, so it's
> time to take the leap.
>
> On box, my faithful old tower, runs Windows 7 and has been declared a part
> of a workgroup called Camelot. The other, a fancy new laptop, has so far
> not been declared - principally because I can't find where to do so in the
> Windows 8 UI.
>
> Both computers are connected to a wireless router. My sole printer (a
> Brother MFC-J625-DW) is connected to the Windows 7 tower, but it allegedly
> can do wireless as well. I'll have to dig up the manual to see how that is
> done. Anyway, the goal is to have the computers able to see other other's
> files, and in particular the pair of USB external drives, which at the
> moment are connected to the tower.
>
> My questions:
> 1. How do I declare the Windows 8 laptop to be part of the Camelot?
>   workgroup?
>
> ...Both computers have to be in the same workgroup (Camelot in this case. You don't have a domain or server). Both computers be in the same network and that mean their IP addresses must be in the same group; default is 192.168.123.xxx, (for example, each computer would be xxx = 065 and 066 respectively...I like to hard-wire IP addresses as I hate wandering computers.) 255.255.255.0 and the gateway/DNS is probably the same as the router which should be something like 192.168.123.001 (254?), 255.255.255.0
>
> 2. Once that is achieved, are there any extra steps I must carry out to
> make the machines visible to one another?
>
> ...restart each computer.
>
> 3. I'm OK with skipping the wireless printer connection, since the only
> time I'll ever be moving it is if I move out of my apartment. But I do want
> the printer to be visible to the laptop. How do I do that?
>
> ...You have to share the printer and any directories in any the two computers you want the other computer to see.
>
> This is the abridged version but you can probably fill in the computer specifics being a programmer guy.
>   
> TIA,


From garykjos at gmail.com  Wed Aug 28 13:37:21 2013
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 13:37:21 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Home Network Setup
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1gWu-AJfLX-D7=tUpN58+b-bsVjLBJ2oF8k7Wp682JeUg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1gWu-AJfLX-D7=tUpN58+b-bsVjLBJ2oF8k7Wp682JeUg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJ2R_pLn243rGJHL5GDqb2nLB2hdrsHTQSTnHBiUGSU3gkPEgw@mail.gmail.com>

1)

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-8/join-or-create-a-workgroup
<http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-8/join-or-create-a-workgroup>

2) You probably would need to set up some SHARES on each system of the
folders you want to be visible on the other system. Then once you have the
shares you might want to reboot both systems and then try to map a drive on
the other system.

3) If the printer does wireless, perhaps it also would do WIRED NETWORK
connection and so could be plugged directly into a wired router port. That
might save you from having to jump through some wireless setup on the
printer. My printer at home is connected to my router in this manner with a
fixed IP address so it doesn't get renumbered when the router gets rebooted
and so is easier to find by the client systems. I like this setup better
than sharing the printer connected to a computer because the printer is
available without the client machine being up and running. Only the network
need be up and any of my systems can use the printer. On my printer I just
connect it to the router via ethernet cable. Then I turn it on. Then I
print out the "Network Information" page from the printer which has the IP
address the router assigned it. Then if I want to hard assign a specific IP
address I search the internet for my particular printer manufacturer and
model number and find the documentation on setting a IP address on my
specific printer (an HP Photosmart 8450 ) and follow those instructions for
setting that IP address which I essentially used the one the router
assigned and just changed the last part to be .199 so as to be up higher
than the router will normally assign on it's own.   Then go to the client
PC's and set up a printer and tell it's a LOCAL printer but instead of
connecting to LPT or USB port, you connect it to an IP ADDRESS for which
you may have to assign a PORT which can be the same name as the IP address.
You'll see what I mean when you get there.



On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 4:57 AM, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com>wrote:

> This may strike you as odd, but even though I've been in the business for
> 30ish years, I have never set up a network, not even a home network. And
> now, for the first time, I have two computers at home and running, so it's
> time to take the leap.
>
> On box, my faithful old tower, runs Windows 7 and has been declared a part
> of a workgroup called Camelot. The other, a fancy new laptop, has so far
> not been declared - principally because I can't find where to do so in the
> Windows 8 UI.
>
> Both computers are connected to a wireless router. My sole printer (a
> Brother MFC-J625-DW) is connected to the Windows 7 tower, but it allegedly
> can do wireless as well. I'll have to dig up the manual to see how that is
> done. Anyway, the goal is to have the computers able to see other other's
> files, and in particular the pair of USB external drives, which at the
> moment are connected to the tower.
>
> My questions:
> 1. How do I declare the Windows 8 laptop to be part of the Camelot?
>  workgroup?
> 2. Once that is achieved, are there any extra steps I must carry out to
> make the machines visible to one another?
> 3. I'm OK with skipping the wireless printer connection, since the only
> time I'll ever be moving it is if I move out of my apartment. But I do want
> the printer to be visible to the laptop. How do I do that?
>
> TIA,
> --
> Arthur
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>



-- 
Gary Kjos
garykjos at gmail.com

From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Aug 28 13:41:06 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 12:41:06 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Developing Minecraft Pocket Edition (MCPE) ModPE
 Script/Javascrip plug-ins...
In-Reply-To: <1377697509.753657307@f345.i.mail.ru>
Message-ID: <584253410.42155056.1377715266923.JavaMail.root@cds002>

Hi Shamil:

This looks really interesting, so tempting and it would be easy for me to get totally side-tracked...but for the moment I must resist. I actually have a Minecraft server running on a Debian Linux box, in my server back room...but that is my total knowledge as I have learned to avoid games as it is so easy to become totally addicted. ;-)

"I guess I know his name :)"... He is totally over loaded at the moment...too bad.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" <mcp2004 at mail.ru>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 6:45:09 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Developing Minecraft Pocket Edition (MCPE) ModPE Script/Javascrip plug-ins...

 Hi Jim --

The code we have got here ?is based on the script template presented on this web page:

http://www.minecraftforum.net/topic/1919439-release-modpe-script-v05-alpha-new-update-with-installer/

Basically there is one entry ?(main) function:

function useItem(x,y,z,itemId,blockId,side)
and several 'hook' functions AFAIU.

<<<
but I believe at least one of?this list does.
>>>
I guess I know his name :)

Thank you.

-- Shamil


Tuesday, August 27, 2013 11:08 AM -07:00 from "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca>:
>Hi Shamil:
>
>Sorry I do not have the expertise for that but I believe at least one of
>this list does.
>
>So what code do you have so far? 
>
>Jim
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From:  dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov
>Shamil
>Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2013 9:50 AM
>To: Discussion of Hardware and Softw
>Subject: [dba-Tech] Developing Minecraft Pocket Edition (MCPE) ModPE
>Script/Javascrip plug-ins...
>
>?Hi All --
>
>I have got challenged by my son (12 yo) today to help him to make a simple
>ModPE Script/Javascript module for an MCPE entity behaviour. We've made it
>together but only partially. Still to find how to (queue and) process
>several quick taps on an entity's different surfaces/sides/parts - our
>solution currently processes last tap only. Anybody to help with links on
>ready to use samples and/or good tutorials?
>
>FYI: So far we have used the following sources:
>
>http://www.minecraftforum.net/topic/1919439-release-modpe-script-v05-alpha-n
>ew-update-with-installer/
>
>Make your own Minecraft PE Mods using ModPE Script!
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=znQZsAkE8AM
>Minecraft PE - ModPE Tutorial #1 - YouTube ( also 2,3,4...)
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nrsQZ95jyDo
>
>Minecraft Pocket Edition info:
>
>https://minecraft.net/pocket
>
>http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Pocket_Edition
>Thank you.
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Aug 28 13:51:00 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 12:51:00 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Home Network Setup
In-Reply-To: <521E4315.8080607@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <918313576.42171511.1377715860202.JavaMail.root@cds002>

I forgot to say go take a shower or do the dishes in the meantime. 

Worked with a friend, on his client's site with about 20 windows domain boxes and finally just keyed in the server IP addresses manually as it was faster. ;-) Would recommend building and deploying a script using Net...and then nail the IP address into place. Why is this...they weren't always that slow?

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Brawley" <peter.brawley at earthlink.net>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 11:36:05 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Home Network Setup

> ...restart each computer.

And wait a bit! It can take a Windows machine a little while to find new 
network machines.

PB

-----

On 2013-08-28 1:07 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote:
> Inline:...
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Arthur Fuller" <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 2:57:21 AM
> Subject: [dba-Tech] Home Network Setup
>
> This may strike you as odd, but even though I've been in the business for
> 30ish years, I have never set up a network, not even a home network. And
> now, for the first time, I have two computers at home and running, so it's
> time to take the leap.
>
> On box, my faithful old tower, runs Windows 7 and has been declared a part
> of a workgroup called Camelot. The other, a fancy new laptop, has so far
> not been declared - principally because I can't find where to do so in the
> Windows 8 UI.
>
> Both computers are connected to a wireless router. My sole printer (a
> Brother MFC-J625-DW) is connected to the Windows 7 tower, but it allegedly
> can do wireless as well. I'll have to dig up the manual to see how that is
> done. Anyway, the goal is to have the computers able to see other other's
> files, and in particular the pair of USB external drives, which at the
> moment are connected to the tower.
>
> My questions:
> 1. How do I declare the Windows 8 laptop to be part of the Camelot?
>   workgroup?
>
> ...Both computers have to be in the same workgroup (Camelot in this case. You don't have a domain or server). Both computers be in the same network and that mean their IP addresses must be in the same group; default is 192.168.123.xxx, (for example, each computer would be xxx = 065 and 066 respectively...I like to hard-wire IP addresses as I hate wandering computers.) 255.255.255.0 and the gateway/DNS is probably the same as the router which should be something like 192.168.123.001 (254?), 255.255.255.0
>
> 2. Once that is achieved, are there any extra steps I must carry out to
> make the machines visible to one another?
>
> ...restart each computer.
>
> 3. I'm OK with skipping the wireless printer connection, since the only
> time I'll ever be moving it is if I move out of my apartment. But I do want
> the printer to be visible to the laptop. How do I do that?
>
> ...You have to share the printer and any directories in any the two computers you want the other computer to see.
>
> This is the abridged version but you can probably fill in the computer specifics being a programmer guy.
>   
> TIA,

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From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Wed Aug 28 14:05:48 2013
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 23:05:48 +0400
Subject: [dba-Tech]
 =?utf-8?q?Developing_Minecraft_Pocket_Edition_=28MCPE?=
 =?utf-8?q?=29_ModPE_Script/Javascrip_plug-ins=2E=2E=2E?=
In-Reply-To: <584253410.42155056.1377715266923.JavaMail.root@cds002>
References: <1377697509.753657307@f345.i.mail.ru>
	<584253410.42155056.1377715266923.JavaMail.root@cds002>
Message-ID: <1377716748.480724483@f106.i.mail.ru>

 Hi Jim --

I don't play computer games too, my kid and his friends do play Minecraft together via Internet.

Yes, it looks interesting and a good way to begin Javascript/games programming for kids...

Thank you.

-- Shamil

Wednesday, August 28, 2013 12:41 PM -06:00 from Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca>:
>Hi Shamil:
>
>This looks really interesting, so tempting and it would be easy for me to get totally side-tracked...but for the moment I must resist. I actually have a Minecraft server running on a Debian Linux box, in my server back room...but that is my total knowledge as I have learned to avoid games as it is so easy to become totally addicted. ;-)
>
>"I guess I know his name :)"... He is totally over loaded at the moment...too bad.
>
>Jim
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" < mcp2004 at mail.ru >
>To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" < dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com >
>Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 6:45:09 AM
>Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Developing Minecraft Pocket Edition (MCPE) ModPE Script/Javascrip plug-ins...
>
>?Hi Jim --
>
>The code we have got here ?is based on the script template presented on this web page:
>
>http://www.minecraftforum.net/topic/1919439-release-modpe-script-v05-alpha-new-update-with-installer/
>
>Basically there is one entry ?(main) function:
>
>function useItem(x,y,z,itemId,blockId,side)
>and several 'hook' functions AFAIU.
>
><<<
>but I believe at least one of?this list does.
>>>>
>I guess I know his name :)
>
>Thank you.
>
>-- Shamil
<<< skipped >>>
>

From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Wed Aug 28 17:08:52 2013
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 15:08:52 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Home Network Setup
References: <CAEPJO1gWu-AJfLX-D7=tUpN58+b-bsVjLBJ2oF8k7Wp682JeUg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6FC6CD15293B417F872956CBE33CA116@HAL9007>

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Rocky Smolin [mailto:rockysmolin at bchacc.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 5:58 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Home Network Setup

I made my W8 laptop part of the workgroup and it merged in seamlessly.  I
was actually pretty impressed with how easy it was.  But I think it happened
as part of the W8 setup. 

Try this:
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-gb/windows-8/join-or-create-a-workgroup

The printer on the W7 box needs to be shared.  And your W8 box should be
able to see it and install it.  

Let us know.

Rocky


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 2:57 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] Home Network Setup

This may strike you as odd, but even though I've been in the business for
30ish years, I have never set up a network, not even a home network. And
now, for the first time, I have two computers at home and running, so it's
time to take the leap.

On box, my faithful old tower, runs Windows 7 and has been declared a part
of a workgroup called Camelot. The other, a fancy new laptop, has so far not
been declared - principally because I can't find where to do so in the
Windows 8 UI.

Both computers are connected to a wireless router. My sole printer (a
Brother MFC-J625-DW) is connected to the Windows 7 tower, but it allegedly
can do wireless as well. I'll have to dig up the manual to see how that is
done. Anyway, the goal is to have the computers able to see other other's
files, and in particular the pair of USB external drives, which at the
moment are connected to the tower.

My questions:
1. How do I declare the Windows 8 laptop to be part of the Camelot?
 workgroup?
2. Once that is achieved, are there any extra steps I must carry out to make
the machines visible to one another?
3. I'm OK with skipping the wireless printer connection, since the only time
I'll ever be moving it is if I move out of my apartment. But I do want the
printer to be visible to the laptop. How do I do that?

TIA,
--
Arthur
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From jbartow at winhaven.net  Wed Aug 28 17:49:51 2013
From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow)
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 17:49:51 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Home Network Setup
In-Reply-To: <6FC6CD15293B417F872956CBE33CA116@HAL9007>
References: <CAEPJO1gWu-AJfLX-D7=tUpN58+b-bsVjLBJ2oF8k7Wp682JeUg@mail.gmail.com>
	<6FC6CD15293B417F872956CBE33CA116@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <009d01cea440$e8c15690$ba4403b0$@winhaven.net>

I work with windows workgroup networks all the time and never have issues
with them being slow. You have to enable network file and printer sharing on
Windows 7 and then it works quite well. Most people seem to choose "Public"
when they connect a Windows Vista/7 PC to a network and that's not the thing
to do in your home or office, where you should choose "Home" or "Work".

Windows 8 seems to be set to automatically do public but then prompts you to
switch to home or work when the situation deems it appropriate. So far I've
been impressed with Windows 8 workgroup networking. I've been setting up
college newbies laptops for the last couple of weeks and they find my
network LaserJet and utilize it without me getting involved at all.
Yesterday I was setting up a new laptop for a new minister in one the small
church offices I support. The Sharp did not have windows 8 drivers listed on
their site for the large, maybe 5-6 year old network copier/printer. I
thought I'd try Frankensteining it and in the process the initial wizard
asked if I wanted to let it search Windows Update for more printers and
devices. I did and it downloaded a whole slew of them. I looked through the
list and sure enough, there it was. Worked like a charm.

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 5:09 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Home Network Setup

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Rocky Smolin [mailto:rockysmolin at bchacc.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 5:58 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Home Network Setup

I made my W8 laptop part of the workgroup and it merged in seamlessly.  I
was actually pretty impressed with how easy it was.  But I think it happened
as part of the W8 setup. 

Try this:
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-gb/windows-8/join-or-create-a-workgroup

The printer on the W7 box needs to be shared.  And your W8 box should be
able to see it and install it.  

Let us know.

Rocky


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 2:57 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] Home Network Setup

This may strike you as odd, but even though I've been in the business for
30ish years, I have never set up a network, not even a home network. And
now, for the first time, I have two computers at home and running, so it's
time to take the leap.

On box, my faithful old tower, runs Windows 7 and has been declared a part
of a workgroup called Camelot. The other, a fancy new laptop, has so far not
been declared - principally because I can't find where to do so in the
Windows 8 UI.

Both computers are connected to a wireless router. My sole printer (a
Brother MFC-J625-DW) is connected to the Windows 7 tower, but it allegedly
can do wireless as well. I'll have to dig up the manual to see how that is
done. Anyway, the goal is to have the computers able to see other other's
files, and in particular the pair of USB external drives, which at the
moment are connected to the tower.

My questions:
1. How do I declare the Windows 8 laptop to be part of the Camelot?
 workgroup?
2. Once that is achieved, are there any extra steps I must carry out to make
the machines visible to one another?
3. I'm OK with skipping the wireless printer connection, since the only time
I'll ever be moving it is if I move out of my apartment. But I do want the
printer to be visible to the laptop. How do I do that?

TIA,
--
Arthur
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From jbartow at winhaven.net  Wed Aug 28 17:49:51 2013
From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow)
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 17:49:51 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Home Network Setup
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1gWu-AJfLX-D7=tUpN58+b-bsVjLBJ2oF8k7Wp682JeUg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1gWu-AJfLX-D7=tUpN58+b-bsVjLBJ2oF8k7Wp682JeUg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <009e01cea440$e93f6030$bbbe2090$@winhaven.net>

Arthur,
If you have your "server" turne don all the time then connect everything to
it and share the devices/drives that you need to access from your windows 8
PC. Windows 8 could care less about workgroups. Windows 7 really doesn't
care much either. (If you had XP in the mix it's a little more important.)

For both - to make them more visible enable File and Printer Sharing. Easier
answer to how is type in in the help. 
Windows 7 - [Windows (start) Menu] button and then [Help].
Windows 8 - just start typing while at the Start Screen tiles.
Both will automatically share public folders and printers. If you want to
share a specific folder that isn't public then just find the folder in
Windows Explorer, right click on it and choose Share. Since you're on a home
network by yourself just share with everyone.

I'm assuming you have a standard consumer grade router - so - as long as
you're equipment is all using the same router, it doesn't matter if its
wired or wireless, it's all in the same address range and will work.

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 4:57 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] Home Network Setup

This may strike you as odd, but even though I've been in the business for
30ish years, I have never set up a network, not even a home network. And
now, for the first time, I have two computers at home and running, so it's
time to take the leap.

On box, my faithful old tower, runs Windows 7 and has been declared a part
of a workgroup called Camelot. The other, a fancy new laptop, has so far not
been declared - principally because I can't find where to do so in the
Windows 8 UI.

Both computers are connected to a wireless router. My sole printer (a
Brother MFC-J625-DW) is connected to the Windows 7 tower, but it allegedly
can do wireless as well. I'll have to dig up the manual to see how that is
done. Anyway, the goal is to have the computers able to see other other's
files, and in particular the pair of USB external drives, which at the
moment are connected to the tower.

My questions:
1. How do I declare the Windows 8 laptop to be part of the Camelot?
 workgroup?
2. Once that is achieved, are there any extra steps I must carry out to make
the machines visible to one another?
3. I'm OK with skipping the wireless printer connection, since the only time
I'll ever be moving it is if I move out of my apartment. But I do want the
printer to be visible to the laptop. How do I do that?

TIA,
--
Arthur
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From peter.brawley at earthlink.net  Wed Aug 28 18:08:12 2013
From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley)
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 18:08:12 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Home Network Setup
In-Reply-To: <009e01cea440$e93f6030$bbbe2090$@winhaven.net>
References: <CAEPJO1gWu-AJfLX-D7=tUpN58+b-bsVjLBJ2oF8k7Wp682JeUg@mail.gmail.com>
	<009e01cea440$e93f6030$bbbe2090$@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <521E82DC.20706@earthlink.net>


On 2013-08-28 5:49 PM, John R Bartow wrote:
> I'm assuming you have a standard consumer grade router

Speaking of routers, ours is old, what's a good way of determining if 
upgrading would improve performance?

PB


From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Wed Aug 28 18:40:16 2013
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 16:40:16 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Outlook Icon Image disappeared
Message-ID: <265BB641163047629FD3DA822A9C2D77@HAL9007>

 

  _____  

From: Rocky Smolin [mailto:rockysmolin at bchacc.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2013 3:24 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Outlook Icon Image disappeared


Dear List:
 
Running Office 2003 & W7.  Last week the Outlook icon on my desktop lost the
image.  The one in the start menu as well.
 
Right clicking the shortcut does not allow me to point to an ico file like
most property dialogs - the Change Icon button is grayed out.
 
Does anyone know how to restore the icon?
 
MTIA
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> 
www.e-z-mrp.com <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/> 
Skype: rocky.smolin
 

From jbartow at winhaven.net  Wed Aug 28 19:00:56 2013
From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow)
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 19:00:56 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Home Network Setup
In-Reply-To: <521E82DC.20706@earthlink.net>
References: <CAEPJO1gWu-AJfLX-D7=tUpN58+b-bsVjLBJ2oF8k7Wp682JeUg@mail.gmail.com>	<009e01cea440$e93f6030$bbbe2090$@winhaven.net>
	<521E82DC.20706@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <00a901cea44a$d677be70$83673b50$@winhaven.net>

I'm assuming wireless.
I honestly have a hard time with this. I have so many bad experiences with
new wireless routers that I stick with the old ones as long as I can. 
Latest fiasco - the highest cost Cisco/LinkSys consumer model $200. First
one lasted 15 minutes and died. Had to wait for a warranty replacement.
Installing it was just a pain. Works good now and has extremely high trough
put but man, can't say it was worth it. Could've run a lot of wire in the
time it took to do that.
Trendnet
NetGear
Dlink
Intellinet
Etc.
Just haven't found a company that produces good reliable routers anymore.
Netgear was on a role a few years ago but then took a turn for the worse.

So after all that whining ;-) 

It comes down to - throughput performance vs reliability - not sure how to
do that. The Cisco model is very fast.

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Peter Brawley
Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 6:08 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Home Network Setup


On 2013-08-28 5:49 PM, John R Bartow wrote:
> I'm assuming you have a standard consumer grade router

Speaking of routers, ours is old, what's a good way of determining if
upgrading would improve performance?

PB

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Aug 28 23:31:10 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 22:31:10 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Home Network Setup
In-Reply-To: <009d01cea440$e8c15690$ba4403b0$@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <1812516180.42632794.1377750670663.JavaMail.root@cds002>

They are not slow...but when to comes to discovering other shares or computers on the network it can be very slow....

My main 2008 Enterprise server can take up to thirty minutes to discover, without any help, all addresses, shares and virtuals, on the network and I has less than a dozen boxes. Put this in context with a Debian Linux server and the process can take less than ten minutes from a cold boot... 

When an active-directory and domain is setup properly that can sure speed things up but the main server crashed a while back and things are still being rebuilt...in the meantime I moved the system from domain to workgroups and that probably doesn't help either.

Those are good tips on Windows8 of which I have little practical experience.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "John R Bartow" <jbartow at winhaven.net>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 3:49:51 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Home Network Setup

I work with windows workgroup networks all the time and never have issues
with them being slow. You have to enable network file and printer sharing on
Windows 7 and then it works quite well. Most people seem to choose "Public"
when they connect a Windows Vista/7 PC to a network and that's not the thing
to do in your home or office, where you should choose "Home" or "Work".

Windows 8 seems to be set to automatically do public but then prompts you to
switch to home or work when the situation deems it appropriate. So far I've
been impressed with Windows 8 workgroup networking. I've been setting up
college newbies laptops for the last couple of weeks and they find my
network LaserJet and utilize it without me getting involved at all.
Yesterday I was setting up a new laptop for a new minister in one the small
church offices I support. The Sharp did not have windows 8 drivers listed on
their site for the large, maybe 5-6 year old network copier/printer. I
thought I'd try Frankensteining it and in the process the initial wizard
asked if I wanted to let it search Windows Update for more printers and
devices. I did and it downloaded a whole slew of them. I looked through the
list and sure enough, there it was. Worked like a charm.

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 5:09 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Home Network Setup

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Rocky Smolin [mailto:rockysmolin at bchacc.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 5:58 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Home Network Setup

I made my W8 laptop part of the workgroup and it merged in seamlessly.  I
was actually pretty impressed with how easy it was.  But I think it happened
as part of the W8 setup. 

Try this:
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-gb/windows-8/join-or-create-a-workgroup

The printer on the W7 box needs to be shared.  And your W8 box should be
able to see it and install it.  

Let us know.

Rocky


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 2:57 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] Home Network Setup

This may strike you as odd, but even though I've been in the business for
30ish years, I have never set up a network, not even a home network. And
now, for the first time, I have two computers at home and running, so it's
time to take the leap.

On box, my faithful old tower, runs Windows 7 and has been declared a part
of a workgroup called Camelot. The other, a fancy new laptop, has so far not
been declared - principally because I can't find where to do so in the
Windows 8 UI.

Both computers are connected to a wireless router. My sole printer (a
Brother MFC-J625-DW) is connected to the Windows 7 tower, but it allegedly
can do wireless as well. I'll have to dig up the manual to see how that is
done. Anyway, the goal is to have the computers able to see other other's
files, and in particular the pair of USB external drives, which at the
moment are connected to the tower.

My questions:
1. How do I declare the Windows 8 laptop to be part of the Camelot?
 workgroup?
2. Once that is achieved, are there any extra steps I must carry out to make
the machines visible to one another?
3. I'm OK with skipping the wireless printer connection, since the only time
I'll ever be moving it is if I move out of my apartment. But I do want the
printer to be visible to the laptop. How do I do that?

TIA,
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Aug 28 23:37:34 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 22:37:34 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Home Network Setup
In-Reply-To: <521E82DC.20706@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <1377839001.42635951.1377751054186.JavaMail.root@cds002>

If all your other stations have GBit LAN cards and your old router is only 100MBit you would experience a dramatic performance increase by replacing it with a new router.

Jim

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From: "Peter Brawley" <peter.brawley at earthlink.net>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 4:08:12 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Home Network Setup


On 2013-08-28 5:49 PM, John R Bartow wrote:
> I'm assuming you have a standard consumer grade router

Speaking of routers, ours is old, what's a good way of determining if 
upgrading would improve performance?

PB

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From jbartow at winhaven.net  Wed Aug 28 23:47:06 2013
From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow)
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 23:47:06 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 8 tips (was: Home Network Setup)
Message-ID: <000f01cea472$d107f630$7317e290$@winhaven.net>

I have taken to Windows 8 fairly well. I still find it disconcerting when
using an app that essentially dumps me back into the Windows 7 type mode.
But I'm starting to like it more and more. Once Win8.1 is released and I run
it I may go ahead with the whole Windows 8 PC/Tablet/Phone scheme idea. My
Android phone seems to be getting worse rather than better and I just really
am not digging the iPad.

By using the same shortcuts keys, the command window and shortcut (right
click) menus I get around pretty good. I find the Windows Key-combos very
helpful with Windows+C being the charm bar shortcut which I use all the time
now. The ability to just start typing when on the Start Screen and having it
start search (which works well) is a nice addition.

TeamViewer has a completely new command bar dropdown for windows 8 (with the
Windows 8 icon as an indicator) which shows all active apps, allows you to
switch between them and such. Otherwise the Start Screen is hard to navigate
as the mouse doesn't always seem to scroll it well.

Anyone else have helpful hints with Windows 8?

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 11:31 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Home Network Setup

Those are good tips on Windows8 of which I have little practical experience.


From jbartow at winhaven.net  Thu Aug 29 00:07:43 2013
From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow)
Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2013 00:07:43 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Home Network Setup
In-Reply-To: <1377839001.42635951.1377751054186.JavaMail.root@cds002>
References: <521E82DC.20706@earthlink.net>
	<1377839001.42635951.1377751054186.JavaMail.root@cds002>
Message-ID: <001101cea475$b23b9060$16b2b120$@winhaven.net>

Good point.

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 11:38 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Home Network Setup

If all your other stations have GBit LAN cards and your old router is only
100MBit you would experience a dramatic performance increase by replacing it
with a new router.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Brawley" <peter.brawley at earthlink.net>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 4:08:12 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Home Network Setup


On 2013-08-28 5:49 PM, John R Bartow wrote:
> I'm assuming you have a standard consumer grade router

Speaking of routers, ours is old, what's a good way of determining if
upgrading would improve performance?

PB

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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Thu Aug 29 01:50:31 2013
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2013 02:50:31 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Home Network Setup
In-Reply-To: <001101cea475$b23b9060$16b2b120$@winhaven.net>
References: <521E82DC.20706@earthlink.net>
	<1377839001.42635951.1377751054186.JavaMail.root@cds002>
	<001101cea475$b23b9060$16b2b120$@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1geNSCBkLn-zW12UKj-9aW8v0WR=nTrHXnaG9GcHpY0hQ@mail.gmail.com>

Well, gentlemen, I am most pleased to discover that I am not alone in
floundering in this quagmire. That alone gives me confidence to plunge
ahead and damn the torpedoes, as JFK was purported to have said.

Did you know that there's a rule for the pluralization of words such as
"torpedo"? If it concerns music, one simply adds an "S", i.e. Sopranos or
Pianos. If it does not concern music, then the appropriate suffix includes
an "E", except when the root derives from Greek, e.g. hypothesis ->
hypotheses.

I'll check into acquiring a new router. Thanks for that tip.

A.


On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 1:07 AM, John R Bartow <jbartow at winhaven.net> wrote:

> Good point.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
> Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 11:38 PM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Home Network Setup
>
> If all your other stations have GBit LAN cards and your old router is only
> 100MBit you would experience a dramatic performance increase by replacing
> it
> with a new router.
>
> Jim
>

From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Aug 29 02:01:16 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2013 01:01:16 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Home Network Setup
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1geNSCBkLn-zW12UKj-9aW8v0WR=nTrHXnaG9GcHpY0hQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1466850850.42681388.1377759676621.JavaMail.root@cds002>

Hi Arthur

You could look into getting a router that you could install your own firmware. 

There are a number of great packages out there and some fellow geeks are really happy with their upgrades. I have not been able to upgrade as my particular DLink router version is not compatible...but versions on both sides are.

Check out the following list and I will post more proven results as they become available.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wireless_router_firmware_projects

Jim

PS For the best performance a direct LAN cable is much faster than wireless. 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Arthur Fuller" <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 11:50:31 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Home Network Setup

Well, gentlemen, I am most pleased to discover that I am not alone in
floundering in this quagmire. That alone gives me confidence to plunge
ahead and damn the torpedoes, as JFK was purported to have said.

Did you know that there's a rule for the pluralization of words such as
"torpedo"? If it concerns music, one simply adds an "S", i.e. Sopranos or
Pianos. If it does not concern music, then the appropriate suffix includes
an "E", except when the root derives from Greek, e.g. hypothesis ->
hypotheses.

I'll check into acquiring a new router. Thanks for that tip.

A.


On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 1:07 AM, John R Bartow <jbartow at winhaven.net> wrote:

> Good point.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
> Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 11:38 PM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Home Network Setup
>
> If all your other stations have GBit LAN cards and your old router is only
> 100MBit you would experience a dramatic performance increase by replacing
> it
> with a new router.
>
> Jim
>
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Aug 29 02:21:41 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2013 01:21:41 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Home Network Setup
In-Reply-To: <00a901cea44a$d677be70$83673b50$@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <1480906538.42689051.1377760901523.JavaMail.root@cds002>

High end routers are just about all Cisco but the price reflects this quality.

If a cheap router does five years that is good...though the software in them gives much to be desired and can tend to be buggy which doesn't help. There are some very good OSS software packages, depending on the router version, that can allow you to program your cheap router just like a high end one.

Jim   

----- Original Message -----
From: "John R Bartow" <jbartow at winhaven.net>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 5:00:56 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Home Network Setup

I'm assuming wireless.
I honestly have a hard time with this. I have so many bad experiences with
new wireless routers that I stick with the old ones as long as I can. 
Latest fiasco - the highest cost Cisco/LinkSys consumer model $200. First
one lasted 15 minutes and died. Had to wait for a warranty replacement.
Installing it was just a pain. Works good now and has extremely high trough
put but man, can't say it was worth it. Could've run a lot of wire in the
time it took to do that.
Trendnet
NetGear
Dlink
Intellinet
Etc.
Just haven't found a company that produces good reliable routers anymore.
Netgear was on a role a few years ago but then took a turn for the worse.

So after all that whining ;-) 

It comes down to - throughput performance vs reliability - not sure how to
do that. The Cisco model is very fast.

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Peter Brawley
Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 6:08 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Home Network Setup


On 2013-08-28 5:49 PM, John R Bartow wrote:
> I'm assuming you have a standard consumer grade router

Speaking of routers, ours is old, what's a good way of determining if
upgrading would improve performance?

PB

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From marklbreen at gmail.com  Thu Aug 29 02:43:51 2013
From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen)
Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2013 08:43:51 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 8 tips (was: Home Network Setup)
In-Reply-To: <000f01cea472$d107f630$7317e290$@winhaven.net>
References: <000f01cea472$d107f630$7317e290$@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <CAGXtTCjE6RKPD9E8O_wttE3QpxEhy7v6k-xNkjuHN+wXUNwi1w@mail.gmail.com>

Hello John,

Not sure if it was here that I got this link, but I will post it again
anyway, I found it great.

http://www.addictivetips.com/windows-tips/30-new-hotkeys-for-windows-8/

However, the most valuable keystroke that I never knew about until recently
is Windows Key + Right Arrow, or Windows Key + Left Arrow.

I have a Dell 29 inch 2560 x 1080 monitor now and it is great for running
two browsers on one screen.






On 29 August 2013 05:47, John R Bartow <jbartow at winhaven.net> wrote:

> I have taken to Windows 8 fairly well. I still find it disconcerting when
> using an app that essentially dumps me back into the Windows 7 type mode.
> But I'm starting to like it more and more. Once Win8.1 is released and I
> run
> it I may go ahead with the whole Windows 8 PC/Tablet/Phone scheme idea. My
> Android phone seems to be getting worse rather than better and I just
> really
> am not digging the iPad.
>
> By using the same shortcuts keys, the command window and shortcut (right
> click) menus I get around pretty good. I find the Windows Key-combos very
> helpful with Windows+C being the charm bar shortcut which I use all the
> time
> now. The ability to just start typing when on the Start Screen and having
> it
> start search (which works well) is a nice addition.
>
> TeamViewer has a completely new command bar dropdown for windows 8 (with
> the
> Windows 8 icon as an indicator) which shows all active apps, allows you to
> switch between them and such. Otherwise the Start Screen is hard to
> navigate
> as the mouse doesn't always seem to scroll it well.
>
> Anyone else have helpful hints with Windows 8?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
> Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 11:31 PM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Home Network Setup
>
> Those are good tips on Windows8 of which I have little practical
> experience.
>
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Thu Aug 29 02:48:21 2013
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2013 03:48:21 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Home Network Setup
In-Reply-To: <1480906538.42689051.1377760901523.JavaMail.root@cds002>
References: <00a901cea44a$d677be70$83673b50$@winhaven.net>
	<1480906538.42689051.1377760901523.JavaMail.root@cds002>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1hgLwTwfVoPKqvSiz6rNbEVDnsuidmM5h1c_YCpNyQDrQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Jim,

Thanks for the links and tips. I shall check them out one by one and see
what is appropriate.

Thanks!


On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 3:21 AM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> High end routers are just about all Cisco but the price reflects this
> quality.
>
> If a cheap router does five years that is good...though the software in
> them gives much to be desired and can tend to be buggy which doesn't help.
> There are some very good OSS software packages, depending on the router
> version, that can allow you to program your cheap router just like a high
> end one.
>
> Jim
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John R Bartow" <jbartow at winhaven.net>
> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <
> dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 5:00:56 PM
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Home Network Setup
>
> I'm assuming wireless.
> I honestly have a hard time with this. I have so many bad experiences with
> new wireless routers that I stick with the old ones as long as I can.
> Latest fiasco - the highest cost Cisco/LinkSys consumer model $200. First
> one lasted 15 minutes and died. Had to wait for a warranty replacement.
> Installing it was just a pain. Works good now and has extremely high trough
> put but man, can't say it was worth it. Could've run a lot of wire in the
> time it took to do that.
> Trendnet
> NetGear
> Dlink
> Intellinet
> Etc.
> Just haven't found a company that produces good reliable routers anymore.
> Netgear was on a role a few years ago but then took a turn for the worse.
>
> So after all that whining ;-)
>
> It comes down to - throughput performance vs reliability - not sure how to
> do that. The Cisco model is very fast.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Peter Brawley
> Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 6:08 PM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Home Network Setup
>
>
> On 2013-08-28 5:49 PM, John R Bartow wrote:
> > I'm assuming you have a standard consumer grade router
>
> Speaking of routers, ours is old, what's a good way of determining if
> upgrading would improve performance?
>
> PB
>
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From marklbreen at gmail.com  Thu Aug 29 02:53:08 2013
From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen)
Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2013 08:53:08 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Hardware, Overclocking and Underclocking Machines
Message-ID: <CAGXtTCg0AiHJh2c1m9SM0PPuZnmsxuLtsx=25xwQOgi80FG=FQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hello All,

just wanted to give you all an update on hardware here.

Since I listened to a podcast a few years ago about building your own PC, I
started doing the same.  The primary reason I decided to build my own was
because the podcast asked "Why".  They gave a whole lot of answers, but the
final one, was "Jedi Warriors build their own light sabres".  That swung it
for me.

I built a great machine, i7, over clocked it, three hard disks, two
graphics cards, three monitors on one machine, and great fans for cooling.

But one problem, it was noisy.

I have since built another machine which I am using now.

i7 IvyBridge Processor, Large CPU heatsink, SSD disk, PSU with no fan.
Overclocked the CPU to 4.7 GHz.  My Windows Experience Index for CPU, RAM
and Disk are 8.3, 8.3, 8.1.  That is fast.

But then I started to notice the noise of the CPU fan, which was almost
silent.  So I changed the clock speed back to stock which is 3.5 GHz and
disconnected the fan on the CPU.  My PC now has zero moving parts.  It
makes the same noise as my cup of tea.

I am sitting on my office with complete silence working on a PC for the
first time in my career.

The i7 IvyBridge processor is still fantasticly fast and as I am typing the
temp is 38 degrees.

Next time you build a machine, consider a silent one.

Finally, and BTW, I love to build machines.

Mark

From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu Aug 29 05:35:33 2013
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2013 20:35:33 +1000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Hardware, Overclocking and Underclocking Machines
In-Reply-To: <CAGXtTCg0AiHJh2c1m9SM0PPuZnmsxuLtsx=25xwQOgi80FG=FQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGXtTCg0AiHJh2c1m9SM0PPuZnmsxuLtsx=25xwQOgi80FG=FQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <521F23F5.887.7F9FFDA@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

What? You should have woter cooled it instead of down-clocking  :-)

-- 
Stuart

On 29 Aug 2013 at 8:53, Mark Breen wrote:

> Hello All,
> 
> just wanted to give you all an update on hardware here.
> 
> Since I listened to a podcast a few years ago about building your own PC, I
> started doing the same.  The primary reason I decided to build my own was
> because the podcast asked "Why".  They gave a whole lot of answers, but the
> final one, was "Jedi Warriors build their own light sabres".  That swung it
> for me.
> 
> I built a great machine, i7, over clocked it, three hard disks, two
> graphics cards, three monitors on one machine, and great fans for cooling.
> 
> But one problem, it was noisy.
> 
> I have since built another machine which I am using now.
> 
> i7 IvyBridge Processor, Large CPU heatsink, SSD disk, PSU with no fan.
> Overclocked the CPU to 4.7 GHz.  My Windows Experience Index for CPU, RAM
> and Disk are 8.3, 8.3, 8.1.  That is fast.
> 
> But then I started to notice the noise of the CPU fan, which was almost
> silent.  So I changed the clock speed back to stock which is 3.5 GHz and
> disconnected the fan on the CPU.  My PC now has zero moving parts.  It
> makes the same noise as my cup of tea.
> 
> I am sitting on my office with complete silence working on a PC for the
> first time in my career.
> 
> The i7 IvyBridge processor is still fantasticly fast and as I am typing the
> temp is 38 degrees.
> 
> Next time you build a machine, consider a silent one.
> 
> Finally, and BTW, I love to build machines.
> 
> Mark
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From jon.tydda at lonza.com  Thu Aug 29 05:48:49 2013
From: jon.tydda at lonza.com (Tydda Jon - Lonza Slough)
Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2013 12:48:49 +0200
Subject: [dba-Tech] Hardware, Overclocking and Underclocking Machines
In-Reply-To: <521F23F5.887.7F9FFDA@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <CAGXtTCg0AiHJh2c1m9SM0PPuZnmsxuLtsx=25xwQOgi80FG=FQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<521F23F5.887.7F9FFDA@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <2495B56EE0CF824A99F14B2492C85E5D02CA63F3FF@CHVEX07.lonzagroup.net>

Or put a 12cm silent fan on the back of the box - those things just suck all the hot air out without making a noise. The noisiest part of my PC is the hard drive!


Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 11:36 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Hardware, Overclocking and Underclocking Machines

What? You should have woter cooled it instead of down-clocking  :-)

--
Stuart

On 29 Aug 2013 at 8:53, Mark Breen wrote:

> Hello All,
>
> just wanted to give you all an update on hardware here.
>
> Since I listened to a podcast a few years ago about building your own
> PC, I started doing the same.  The primary reason I decided to build
> my own was because the podcast asked "Why".  They gave a whole lot of
> answers, but the final one, was "Jedi Warriors build their own light
> sabres".  That swung it for me.
>
> I built a great machine, i7, over clocked it, three hard disks, two
> graphics cards, three monitors on one machine, and great fans for cooling.
>
> But one problem, it was noisy.
>
> I have since built another machine which I am using now.
>
> i7 IvyBridge Processor, Large CPU heatsink, SSD disk, PSU with no fan.
> Overclocked the CPU to 4.7 GHz.  My Windows Experience Index for CPU,
> RAM and Disk are 8.3, 8.3, 8.1.  That is fast.
>
> But then I started to notice the noise of the CPU fan, which was
> almost silent.  So I changed the clock speed back to stock which is
> 3.5 GHz and disconnected the fan on the CPU.  My PC now has zero
> moving parts.  It makes the same noise as my cup of tea.
>
> I am sitting on my office with complete silence working on a PC for
> the first time in my career.
>
> The i7 IvyBridge processor is still fantasticly fast and as I am
> typing the temp is 38 degrees.
>
> Next time you build a machine, consider a silent one.
>
> Finally, and BTW, I love to build machines.
>
> Mark
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Aug 29 09:33:24 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2013 08:33:24 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 8 tips (was: Home Network Setup)
In-Reply-To: <CAGXtTCjE6RKPD9E8O_wttE3QpxEhy7v6k-xNkjuHN+wXUNwi1w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1958971368.42903511.1377786804727.JavaMail.root@cds002>

Hi Mark:

I will save this until link until Window 8.xx is on a desktop I own.

Jim 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Breen" <marklbreen at gmail.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 12:43:51 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows 8 tips (was: Home Network Setup)

Hello John,

Not sure if it was here that I got this link, but I will post it again
anyway, I found it great.

http://www.addictivetips.com/windows-tips/30-new-hotkeys-for-windows-8/

However, the most valuable keystroke that I never knew about until recently
is Windows Key + Right Arrow, or Windows Key + Left Arrow.

I have a Dell 29 inch 2560 x 1080 monitor now and it is great for running
two browsers on one screen.






On 29 August 2013 05:47, John R Bartow <jbartow at winhaven.net> wrote:

> I have taken to Windows 8 fairly well. I still find it disconcerting when
> using an app that essentially dumps me back into the Windows 7 type mode.
> But I'm starting to like it more and more. Once Win8.1 is released and I
> run
> it I may go ahead with the whole Windows 8 PC/Tablet/Phone scheme idea. My
> Android phone seems to be getting worse rather than better and I just
> really
> am not digging the iPad.
>
> By using the same shortcuts keys, the command window and shortcut (right
> click) menus I get around pretty good. I find the Windows Key-combos very
> helpful with Windows+C being the charm bar shortcut which I use all the
> time
> now. The ability to just start typing when on the Start Screen and having
> it
> start search (which works well) is a nice addition.
>
> TeamViewer has a completely new command bar dropdown for windows 8 (with
> the
> Windows 8 icon as an indicator) which shows all active apps, allows you to
> switch between them and such. Otherwise the Start Screen is hard to
> navigate
> as the mouse doesn't always seem to scroll it well.
>
> Anyone else have helpful hints with Windows 8?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
> Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 11:31 PM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Home Network Setup
>
> Those are good tips on Windows8 of which I have little practical
> experience.
>
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Aug 29 10:06:28 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2013 09:06:28 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Hardware, Overclocking and Underclocking Machines
In-Reply-To: <CAGXtTCg0AiHJh2c1m9SM0PPuZnmsxuLtsx=25xwQOgi80FG=FQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <601213876.42939576.1377788788551.JavaMail.root@cds002>

Hi Mark:

That all sounds very impressive. What mother board(?) did you use?

Because of noisy computers I run everything from the kitchen table, close to the coffee, via remote connections and just assign tasks to each remote server and pick up or be sent the results went completed. This method does not give me immediate access to all the excellent screens but I can then wander, unencumbered, virtually anywhere in the yard.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Breen" <marklbreen at gmail.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 12:53:08 AM
Subject: [dba-Tech] Hardware, Overclocking and Underclocking Machines

Hello All,

just wanted to give you all an update on hardware here.

Since I listened to a podcast a few years ago about building your own PC, I
started doing the same.  The primary reason I decided to build my own was
because the podcast asked "Why".  They gave a whole lot of answers, but the
final one, was "Jedi Warriors build their own light sabres".  That swung it
for me.

I built a great machine, i7, over clocked it, three hard disks, two
graphics cards, three monitors on one machine, and great fans for cooling.

But one problem, it was noisy.

I have since built another machine which I am using now.

i7 IvyBridge Processor, Large CPU heatsink, SSD disk, PSU with no fan.
Overclocked the CPU to 4.7 GHz.  My Windows Experience Index for CPU, RAM
and Disk are 8.3, 8.3, 8.1.  That is fast.

But then I started to notice the noise of the CPU fan, which was almost
silent.  So I changed the clock speed back to stock which is 3.5 GHz and
disconnected the fan on the CPU.  My PC now has zero moving parts.  It
makes the same noise as my cup of tea.

I am sitting on my office with complete silence working on a PC for the
first time in my career.

The i7 IvyBridge processor is still fantasticly fast and as I am typing the
temp is 38 degrees.

Next time you build a machine, consider a silent one.

Finally, and BTW, I love to build machines.

Mark
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Aug 29 10:26:29 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2013 09:26:29 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Hardware, Overclocking and Underclocking Machines
In-Reply-To: <521F23F5.887.7F9FFDA@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <1757198097.42965556.1377789989575.JavaMail.root@cds002>

Hi Stuart:
 
Good point...liquid cooling is excellent suggestion. I don't think they just use water or woter, as it is known south of the equator, now but non conductive oil as even a spill will not cause a melt down.

Jim  

----- Original Message -----
From: "Stuart McLachlan" <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 3:35:33 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Hardware, Overclocking and Underclocking Machines

What? You should have woter cooled it instead of down-clocking  :-)

-- 
Stuart

On 29 Aug 2013 at 8:53, Mark Breen wrote:

> Hello All,
> 
> just wanted to give you all an update on hardware here.
> 
> Since I listened to a podcast a few years ago about building your own PC, I
> started doing the same.  The primary reason I decided to build my own was
> because the podcast asked "Why".  They gave a whole lot of answers, but the
> final one, was "Jedi Warriors build their own light sabres".  That swung it
> for me.
> 
> I built a great machine, i7, over clocked it, three hard disks, two
> graphics cards, three monitors on one machine, and great fans for cooling.
> 
> But one problem, it was noisy.
> 
> I have since built another machine which I am using now.
> 
> i7 IvyBridge Processor, Large CPU heatsink, SSD disk, PSU with no fan.
> Overclocked the CPU to 4.7 GHz.  My Windows Experience Index for CPU, RAM
> and Disk are 8.3, 8.3, 8.1.  That is fast.
> 
> But then I started to notice the noise of the CPU fan, which was almost
> silent.  So I changed the clock speed back to stock which is 3.5 GHz and
> disconnected the fan on the CPU.  My PC now has zero moving parts.  It
> makes the same noise as my cup of tea.
> 
> I am sitting on my office with complete silence working on a PC for the
> first time in my career.
> 
> The i7 IvyBridge processor is still fantasticly fast and as I am typing the
> temp is 38 degrees.
> 
> Next time you build a machine, consider a silent one.
> 
> Finally, and BTW, I love to build machines.
> 
> Mark
> _______________________________________________
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Aug 29 10:30:28 2013
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2013 17:30:28 +0200
Subject: [dba-Tech] Home Network Setup
Message-ID: <00d601cea4cc$b09f8110$11de8330$@cactus.dk>

Hi John

We stick to DrayTek. It used to be Zyxel, but we had some issues with them
(stopped working).
Also, our local DrayTek service is excellent which can be worth much more
than some saved $$ on a cheap brand.

/gustav


----- Original Message -----
From: "John R Bartow" <jbartow at winhaven.net>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 5:00:56 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Home Network Setup

I'm assuming wireless.
I honestly have a hard time with this. I have so many bad experiences with
new wireless routers that I stick with the old ones as long as I can. 
Latest fiasco - the highest cost Cisco/LinkSys consumer model $200. First
one lasted 15 minutes and died. Had to wait for a warranty replacement.
Installing it was just a pain. Works good now and has extremely high trough
put but man, can't say it was worth it. Could've run a lot of wire in the
time it took to do that.
Trendnet
NetGear
Dlink
Intellinet
Etc.
Just haven't found a company that produces good reliable routers anymore.
Netgear was on a role a few years ago but then took a turn for the worse.

So after all that whining ;-) 

It comes down to - throughput performance vs reliability - not sure how to
do that. The Cisco model is very fast.


From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Aug 29 10:32:49 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2013 09:32:49 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Hardware, Overclocking and Underclocking Machines
In-Reply-To: <2495B56EE0CF824A99F14B2492C85E5D02CA63F3FF@CHVEX07.lonzagroup.net>
Message-ID: <1140454958.42971841.1377790369553.JavaMail.root@cds002>

Hi Jon:

Cheap solid state drives are on their way... :-)

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tydda Jon - Lonza Slough" <jon.tydda at lonza.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 3:48:49 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Hardware, Overclocking and Underclocking Machines

Or put a 12cm silent fan on the back of the box - those things just suck all the hot air out without making a noise. The noisiest part of my PC is the hard drive!


Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 11:36 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Hardware, Overclocking and Underclocking Machines

What? You should have woter cooled it instead of down-clocking  :-)

--
Stuart

On 29 Aug 2013 at 8:53, Mark Breen wrote:

> Hello All,
>
> just wanted to give you all an update on hardware here.
>
> Since I listened to a podcast a few years ago about building your own
> PC, I started doing the same.  The primary reason I decided to build
> my own was because the podcast asked "Why".  They gave a whole lot of
> answers, but the final one, was "Jedi Warriors build their own light
> sabres".  That swung it for me.
>
> I built a great machine, i7, over clocked it, three hard disks, two
> graphics cards, three monitors on one machine, and great fans for cooling.
>
> But one problem, it was noisy.
>
> I have since built another machine which I am using now.
>
> i7 IvyBridge Processor, Large CPU heatsink, SSD disk, PSU with no fan.
> Overclocked the CPU to 4.7 GHz.  My Windows Experience Index for CPU,
> RAM and Disk are 8.3, 8.3, 8.1.  That is fast.
>
> But then I started to notice the noise of the CPU fan, which was
> almost silent.  So I changed the clock speed back to stock which is
> 3.5 GHz and disconnected the fan on the CPU.  My PC now has zero
> moving parts.  It makes the same noise as my cup of tea.
>
> I am sitting on my office with complete silence working on a PC for
> the first time in my career.
>
> The i7 IvyBridge processor is still fantasticly fast and as I am
> typing the temp is 38 degrees.
>
> Next time you build a machine, consider a silent one.
>
> Finally, and BTW, I love to build machines.
>
> Mark
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>


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From jbartow at winhaven.net  Thu Aug 29 11:03:12 2013
From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow)
Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2013 11:03:12 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Hardware, Overclocking and Underclocking Machines
In-Reply-To: <CAGXtTCg0AiHJh2c1m9SM0PPuZnmsxuLtsx=25xwQOgi80FG=FQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGXtTCg0AiHJh2c1m9SM0PPuZnmsxuLtsx=25xwQOgi80FG=FQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <00a301cea4d1$43d9f240$cb8dd6c0$@winhaven.net>

8.3 wow! That's not fast, that's incredible!

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen
Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 2:53 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] Hardware, Overclocking and Underclocking Machines

Hello All,

just wanted to give you all an update on hardware here.

Since I listened to a podcast a few years ago about building your own PC, I
started doing the same.  The primary reason I decided to build my own was
because the podcast asked "Why".  They gave a whole lot of answers, but the
final one, was "Jedi Warriors build their own light sabres".  That swung it
for me.

I built a great machine, i7, over clocked it, three hard disks, two graphics
cards, three monitors on one machine, and great fans for cooling.

But one problem, it was noisy.

I have since built another machine which I am using now.

i7 IvyBridge Processor, Large CPU heatsink, SSD disk, PSU with no fan.
Overclocked the CPU to 4.7 GHz.  My Windows Experience Index for CPU, RAM
and Disk are 8.3, 8.3, 8.1.  That is fast.

But then I started to notice the noise of the CPU fan, which was almost
silent.  So I changed the clock speed back to stock which is 3.5 GHz and
disconnected the fan on the CPU.  My PC now has zero moving parts.  It makes
the same noise as my cup of tea.

I am sitting on my office with complete silence working on a PC for the
first time in my career.

The i7 IvyBridge processor is still fantasticly fast and as I am typing the
temp is 38 degrees.

Next time you build a machine, consider a silent one.

Finally, and BTW, I love to build machines.

Mark
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Aug 29 12:44:02 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2013 11:44:02 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Home Network Setup
In-Reply-To: <00d601cea4cc$b09f8110$11de8330$@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <1306217756.43139800.1377798242069.JavaMail.root@cds002>

Does Draytek make their own hardware or just rebrand their equipment?

Jim 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 8:30:28 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Home Network Setup

Hi John

We stick to DrayTek. It used to be Zyxel, but we had some issues with them
(stopped working).
Also, our local DrayTek service is excellent which can be worth much more
than some saved $$ on a cheap brand.

/gustav


----- Original Message -----
From: "John R Bartow" <jbartow at winhaven.net>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 5:00:56 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Home Network Setup

I'm assuming wireless.
I honestly have a hard time with this. I have so many bad experiences with
new wireless routers that I stick with the old ones as long as I can. 
Latest fiasco - the highest cost Cisco/LinkSys consumer model $200. First
one lasted 15 minutes and died. Had to wait for a warranty replacement.
Installing it was just a pain. Works good now and has extremely high trough
put but man, can't say it was worth it. Could've run a lot of wire in the
time it took to do that.
Trendnet
NetGear
Dlink
Intellinet
Etc.
Just haven't found a company that produces good reliable routers anymore.
Netgear was on a role a few years ago but then took a turn for the worse.

So after all that whining ;-) 

It comes down to - throughput performance vs reliability - not sure how to
do that. The Cisco model is very fast.

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From marklbreen at gmail.com  Thu Aug 29 17:51:15 2013
From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen)
Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2013 23:51:15 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Hardware, Overclocking and Underclocking Machines
In-Reply-To: <00a301cea4d1$43d9f240$cb8dd6c0$@winhaven.net>
References: <CAGXtTCg0AiHJh2c1m9SM0PPuZnmsxuLtsx=25xwQOgi80FG=FQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<00a301cea4d1$43d9f240$cb8dd6c0$@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <CAGXtTCgQN5FGoNwzGAyv8VqPVkB8wM=MPgo5tdxDymoQa6iDig@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all ,

@Mr Bartlow, just to be honest, I do not have a total score of 8.3, my
graphics card reduces the total score but I am ignoring that as I do not
play games.  The Proc and Ram and disk are what us guys are concerned
about.  But yes, 8.3 is nice to have.  More to the point, it is easy to
achieve.  No expensive hardware here.  Plain Jane i7, standard Mobo and 15
euro cooler.  Thanks for noting me, I am a little chuffed :)

@ Mr Tydda, yes, the drives can be noisy, but once you remove them you then
hear the PSU and the CPU cooler.  With the cover off, I do not need even a
12 cm fan.  The machine stays cool enough with no fans at all.

@ Mr McLachlan, I had the Corasir water cooling kit installed in the noisy
machine, but with a radiator, you need a fan to blow air through it.  You
would be surprised how quickly the rad heats up without a fan.  And
strangely enough, the air blowing through the radiator is more noisy than a
regular fan on a passive heat sink.  Also, incidentally, the cooling from a
good passive cpu cooler with a slow fan is as good or better than the water
cooling setup I have here.






On 29 August 2013 17:03, John R Bartow <jbartow at winhaven.net> wrote:

> 8.3 wow! That's not fast, that's incredible!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen
> Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 2:53 AM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: [dba-Tech] Hardware, Overclocking and Underclocking Machines
>
> Hello All,
>
> just wanted to give you all an update on hardware here.
>
> Since I listened to a podcast a few years ago about building your own PC, I
> started doing the same.  The primary reason I decided to build my own was
> because the podcast asked "Why".  They gave a whole lot of answers, but the
> final one, was "Jedi Warriors build their own light sabres".  That swung it
> for me.
>
> I built a great machine, i7, over clocked it, three hard disks, two
> graphics
> cards, three monitors on one machine, and great fans for cooling.
>
> But one problem, it was noisy.
>
> I have since built another machine which I am using now.
>
> i7 IvyBridge Processor, Large CPU heatsink, SSD disk, PSU with no fan.
> Overclocked the CPU to 4.7 GHz.  My Windows Experience Index for CPU, RAM
> and Disk are 8.3, 8.3, 8.1.  That is fast.
>
> But then I started to notice the noise of the CPU fan, which was almost
> silent.  So I changed the clock speed back to stock which is 3.5 GHz and
> disconnected the fan on the CPU.  My PC now has zero moving parts.  It
> makes
> the same noise as my cup of tea.
>
> I am sitting on my office with complete silence working on a PC for the
> first time in my career.
>
> The i7 IvyBridge processor is still fantasticly fast and as I am typing the
> temp is 38 degrees.
>
> Next time you build a machine, consider a silent one.
>
> Finally, and BTW, I love to build machines.
>
> Mark
> _______________________________________________
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Aug 30 01:18:03 2013
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2013 08:18:03 +0200
Subject: [dba-Tech] Home Network Setup
Message-ID: <002801cea548$af497ba0$0ddc72e0$@cactus.dk>

Hi Jim

Their own.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Jim Lawrence
Sendt: 29. august 2013 19:44
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Home Network Setup

Does Draytek make their own hardware or just rebrand their equipment?

Jim 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 8:30:28 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Home Network Setup

Hi John

We stick to DrayTek. It used to be Zyxel, but we had some issues with them
(stopped working).
Also, our local DrayTek service is excellent which can be worth much more
than some saved $$ on a cheap brand.

/gustav


----- Original Message -----
From: "John R Bartow" <jbartow at winhaven.net>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 5:00:56 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Home Network Setup

I'm assuming wireless.
I honestly have a hard time with this. I have so many bad experiences with
new wireless routers that I stick with the old ones as long as I can. 
Latest fiasco - the highest cost Cisco/LinkSys consumer model $200. First
one lasted 15 minutes and died. Had to wait for a warranty replacement.
Installing it was just a pain. Works good now and has extremely high trough
put but man, can't say it was worth it. Could've run a lot of wire in the
time it took to do that.
Trendnet
NetGear
Dlink
Intellinet
Etc.
Just haven't found a company that produces good reliable routers anymore.
Netgear was on a role a few years ago but then took a turn for the worse.

So after all that whining ;-) 

It comes down to - throughput performance vs reliability - not sure how to
do that. The Cisco model is very fast.



From accessd at shaw.ca  Sat Aug 31 02:41:14 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2013 01:41:14 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Home Network Setup
In-Reply-To: <002801cea548$af497ba0$0ddc72e0$@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <1058933693.44653663.1377934874142.JavaMail.root@cds002>

Hi Gustav:

I was just asking as I am not familiar with the product.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 11:18:03 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Home Network Setup

Hi Jim

Their own.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
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[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Jim Lawrence
Sendt: 29. august 2013 19:44
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Home Network Setup

Does Draytek make their own hardware or just rebrand their equipment?

Jim 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 8:30:28 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Home Network Setup

Hi John

We stick to DrayTek. It used to be Zyxel, but we had some issues with them
(stopped working).
Also, our local DrayTek service is excellent which can be worth much more
than some saved $$ on a cheap brand.

/gustav


----- Original Message -----
From: "John R Bartow" <jbartow at winhaven.net>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 5:00:56 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Home Network Setup

I'm assuming wireless.
I honestly have a hard time with this. I have so many bad experiences with
new wireless routers that I stick with the old ones as long as I can. 
Latest fiasco - the highest cost Cisco/LinkSys consumer model $200. First
one lasted 15 minutes and died. Had to wait for a warranty replacement.
Installing it was just a pain. Works good now and has extremely high trough
put but man, can't say it was worth it. Could've run a lot of wire in the
time it took to do that.
Trendnet
NetGear
Dlink
Intellinet
Etc.
Just haven't found a company that produces good reliable routers anymore.
Netgear was on a role a few years ago but then took a turn for the worse.

So after all that whining ;-) 

It comes down to - throughput performance vs reliability - not sure how to
do that. The Cisco model is very fast.


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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sat Aug 31 02:57:36 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2013 01:57:36 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Reverse engineering of Dropbox
In-Reply-To: <CAGXtTCjE6RKPD9E8O_wttE3QpxEhy7v6k-xNkjuHN+wXUNwi1w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1557455447.44655260.1377935856892.JavaMail.root@cds002>

The attached link is an interesting appraisal of not only Dropbox but also similar clients.

http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/it-security/researchers-reverse-engineer-the-dropbox-client-what-it-means/?tag=nl.e101&s_cid=e101&ttag=e101&ftag=TRE684d531

Now you can download, install and run your own OSS Dropbox client: https://github.com/kholia/dedrop

Jim

From Gustav at cactus.dk  Sat Aug 31 03:50:05 2013
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2013 10:50:05 +0200
Subject: [dba-Tech] Home Network Setup
Message-ID: <s221ca67.004@cactus.dk>

Hi Jim

Yes, that was - eh - what I thought ... what other reasons could there be?

/gustav

>>> accessd at shaw.ca 31-08-13 9:41 >>>
Hi Gustav:

I was just asking as I am not familiar with the product.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 11:18:03 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Home Network Setup

Hi Jim

Their own.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
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[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Jim Lawrence
Sendt: 29. august 2013 19:44
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Home Network Setup

Does Draytek make their own hardware or just rebrand their equipment?

Jim 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 8:30:28 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Home Network Setup

Hi John

We stick to DrayTek. It used to be Zyxel, but we had some issues with them
(stopped working).
Also, our local DrayTek service is excellent which can be worth much more
than some saved $$ on a cheap brand.

/gustav


----- Original Message -----
From: "John R Bartow" <jbartow at winhaven.net>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 5:00:56 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Home Network Setup

I'm assuming wireless.
I honestly have a hard time with this. I have so many bad experiences with
new wireless routers that I stick with the old ones as long as I can. 
Latest fiasco - the highest cost Cisco/LinkSys consumer model $200. First
one lasted 15 minutes and died. Had to wait for a warranty replacement.
Installing it was just a pain. Works good now and has extremely high trough
put but man, can't say it was worth it. Could've run a lot of wire in the
time it took to do that.
Trendnet
NetGear
Dlink
Intellinet
Etc.
Just haven't found a company that produces good reliable routers anymore.
Netgear was on a role a few years ago but then took a turn for the worse.

So after all that whining ;-) 

It comes down to - throughput performance vs reliability - not sure how to
do that. The Cisco model is very fast.



From djkr at msn.com  Sat Aug 31 06:44:30 2013
From: djkr at msn.com (DJK (John) Robinson)
Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2013 12:44:30 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 8 tips (was: Home Network Setup)
In-Reply-To: <CAGXtTCjE6RKPD9E8O_wttE3QpxEhy7v6k-xNkjuHN+wXUNwi1w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP1277E0FA382A6EDE161D627D2360@phx.gbl>

'New' for Windows 8?  Well, not quite - at least a dozen of them also work on Windows 7, as do your left/right arrow
ones.

John


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen
Sent: 29 August 2013 08:44
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows 8 tips (was: Home Network Setup)


Hello John,

Not sure if it was here that I got this link, but I will post it again anyway, I found it great.

http://www.addictivetips.com/windows-tips/30-new-hotkeys-for-windows-8/

However, the most valuable keystroke that I never knew about until recently is Windows Key + Right Arrow, or Windows Key
+ Left Arrow.

I have a Dell 29 inch 2560 x 1080 monitor now and it is great for running two browsers on one screen.






On 29 August 2013 05:47, John R Bartow <jbartow at winhaven.net> wrote:

> I have taken to Windows 8 fairly well. I still find it disconcerting 
> when using an app that essentially dumps me back into the Windows 7 
> type mode. But I'm starting to like it more and more. Once Win8.1 is 
> released and I run it I may go ahead with the whole Windows 8 
> PC/Tablet/Phone scheme idea. My Android phone seems to be getting 
> worse rather than better and I just really
> am not digging the iPad.
>
> By using the same shortcuts keys, the command window and shortcut 
> (right
> click) menus I get around pretty good. I find the Windows Key-combos very
> helpful with Windows+C being the charm bar shortcut which I use all the
> time
> now. The ability to just start typing when on the Start Screen and having
> it
> start search (which works well) is a nice addition.
>
> TeamViewer has a completely new command bar dropdown for windows 8 
> (with the Windows 8 icon as an indicator) which shows all active apps, 
> allows you to switch between them and such. Otherwise the Start Screen 
> is hard to navigate
> as the mouse doesn't always seem to scroll it well.
>
> Anyone else have helpful hints with Windows 8?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim 
> Lawrence
> Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 11:31 PM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Home Network Setup
>
> Those are good tips on Windows8 of which I have little practical 
> experience.
>
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sat Aug 31 12:55:02 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2013 11:55:02 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] 10 TB of free cloud space
In-Reply-To: <1557455447.44655260.1377935856892.JavaMail.root@cds002>
Message-ID: <2135351491.44899063.1377971702777.JavaMail.root@cds002>

Now everyone can have up to 10TB of Cloud web space.

There is one small "caveat emptor" though. The web site is in China. So if afraid of PRISM? China to the rescue!

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/08/30/tencent_10tb_cloud/

Jim