From accessd at shaw.ca  Sun Dec  1 00:22:25 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2013 23:22:25 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Way OT but I love you people so I'm posing
	the	question.
In-Reply-To: <529A84DB.2152.512C632F@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <1455208392.77896278.1385878944999.JavaMail.root@cds002>

Oh to have an open world ticket. 

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Stuart McLachlan" <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2013 4:37:47 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Way OT but I love you people so I'm posing the	question.

No mention of SE Asia from anyone?

Lots of places in Thailand, Vietnam, Cambodia, Indonesia  that I haven't visited yet but would 
love too. 

(Also lots of places I'd go back to anytime) 

-- 
Stuart

On 30 Nov 2013 at 12:06, Arthur Fuller wrote:

> I just landed a contract that will pay me enough for two weeks
> anywhere. My first and second choices are Havana and London. But I'm
> reaching out to my friends on this list and asking, Where would you
> choose to go for two weeks? Answers must be a place you have never
> visited yet.
> 
> -- 
> Arthur
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sun Dec  1 00:23:42 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2013 23:23:42 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Way OT but I love you people so I'm posing
	the	question.
In-Reply-To: <CAJ2R_pJV2uSMkJCzqWVwtA_GKBphEeC5SYJ6QRKg6Q1wvQUJpA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <420039985.77897153.1385879022035.JavaMail.root@cds002>

As Dorothy said, "There's no place like hone."

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary Kjos" <garykjos at gmail.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2013 4:53:01 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Way OT but I love you people so I'm posing the	question.

I have zero desire to go anyplace but home. You would have to pay me to go
anyplace. Sorry.  Enjoy your travels.

GK

On Saturday, November 30, 2013, Stuart McLachlan <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>
wrote:
> No mention of SE Asia from anyone?
>
> Lots of places in Thailand, Vietnam, Cambodia, Indonesia  that I haven't
visited yet but would
> love too.
>
> (Also lots of places I'd go back to anytime)
>
> --
> Stuart
>
> On 30 Nov 2013 at 12:06, Arthur Fuller wrote:
>
>> I just landed a contract that will pay me enough for two weeks
>> anywhere. My first and second choices are Havana and London. But I'm
>> reaching out to my friends on this list and asking, Where would you
>> choose to go for two weeks? Answers must be a place you have never
>> visited yet.
>>
>> --
>> Arthur
>> _______________________________________________
>> dba-Tech mailing list
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>
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Sun Dec  1 05:40:46 2013
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2013 06:40:46 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Way OT but I love you people so I'm posing the
	question.
In-Reply-To: <420039985.77897153.1385879022035.JavaMail.root@cds002>
References: <CAJ2R_pJV2uSMkJCzqWVwtA_GKBphEeC5SYJ6QRKg6Q1wvQUJpA@mail.gmail.com>
	<420039985.77897153.1385879022035.JavaMail.root@cds002>
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Wow! Who knew that this thread would draw such attention.

Shamil. having hired you some years ago, I would love to come visit you in
St. Petersburg.
Rocky, it's because of the movie *Buena Vista Social Club* that I want to
go there. The scene in the ballet school made me weep.
Tina, I majored in Philosophy and thus Greece has a special place in my
heart. One of my favouritie books of all time is I.F. Stone's *The Trial of
Socrates. *Not that anyone cares, but my other fave books are *Ways of
Seeing*, by John Berger, *Gravity's Rainbow* by Tom Pynchon, *Tinker Tailor
Soldier Spy* by John Le Carre, and *The Language Instinct* by Stephen
Pinker. There are doubtless some others but that will do for now.

Back to the original subject. What a wonderful diversity you all have
offered. It's a big world and one has only so much time and money left.
It's a difficult choice. We might only get one more. Thanks, all, for your
inspirations. I'm hoping that I have two choices left, and they would be
Havana and London.

Arthur


On Sun, Dec 1, 2013 at 1:23 AM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> As Dorothy said, "There's no place like hone."
>
> Jim
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gary Kjos" <garykjos at gmail.com>
> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <
> dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2013 4:53:01 PM
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Way OT but I love you people so I'm posing the
>  question.
>
> I have zero desire to go anyplace but home. You would have to pay me to go
> anyplace. Sorry.  Enjoy your travels.
>
> GK
>
> On Saturday, November 30, 2013, Stuart McLachlan <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>
> wrote:
> > No mention of SE Asia from anyone?
> >
> > Lots of places in Thailand, Vietnam, Cambodia, Indonesia  that I haven't
> visited yet but would
> > love too.
> >
> > (Also lots of places I'd go back to anytime)
> >
> > --
> > Stuart
> >
> > On 30 Nov 2013 at 12:06, Arthur Fuller wrote:
> >
> >> I just landed a contract that will pay me enough for two weeks
> >> anywhere. My first and second choices are Havana and London. But I'm
> >> reaching out to my friends on this list and asking, Where would you
> >> choose to go for two weeks? Answers must be a place you have never
> >> visited yet.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Arthur
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> dba-Tech mailing list
> >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
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> >>
> >
> >
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>
> --
> Gary Kjos
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-- 
Arthur

From Gustav at cactus.dk  Sun Dec  1 05:44:52 2013
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sun, 01 Dec 2013 12:44:52 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Way OT but I love you people so I'm posing
	the	question.
Message-ID: <s29b2f5f.081@cactus.dk>

Hi all

Sure. I can recommend to drop by - at any or both cities.

/gustav

>>> mcp2004 at mail.ru 30-11-13 22:24 >>>

>*I have heard that both St.Petersburg and Copenhagen are incredible cities to see.
Yes, and I'm living in St.Petersburg and Gustav is living in Copenhagen :)


Saturday, November 30, 2013 11:42 AM -07:00 from Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca>:
>All bucket list locations.
>
>I have heard that both St.Petersburg and Copenhagen are incredible cities to see.
>
>Jim



From lembit.soobik at weihenstephan.org  Sun Dec  1 07:15:50 2013
From: lembit.soobik at weihenstephan.org (Lembit Soobik)
Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2013 14:15:50 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Way OT but I love you people so I'm posing
	thequestion.
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You are sure welcome. Just let me know in time so that I will be at home and 
not somewhere in ZA or Antarctica or ...
Lembit

-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- 
From: Kathryn Bassett
Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2013 8:13 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Way OT but I love you people so I'm posing 
thequestion.

Neither of those appeals to me. I would choose the Hesse area of Germany to
visit areas where my ancestors came from. I'd include a side trip to see
Lembit.

--
Kathryn Rhinehart Bassett (Pasadena CA)
"Genealogy is my bag" "GH is my soap"
kathryn at bassett.net
http://bassett.net



> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-
> bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
> Sent: 30 Nov 2013 9:06 AM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: [dba-Tech] Way OT but I love you people so I'm posing the
question.
>
> I just landed a contract that will pay me enough for two weeks anywhere.
My
> first and second choices are Havana and London. But I'm reaching out to my
> friends on this list and asking, Where would you choose to go for two
weeks?
> Answers must be a place you have never visited yet.
>
> --
> Arthur


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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Sun Dec  1 09:15:30 2013
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2013 10:15:30 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Way OT but I love you people so I'm posing
	thequestion.
In-Reply-To: <C1F865519B4F41C0B6F41A103C8F4BA8@S3600>
References: <CAEPJO1ir8McUDoNx5G8JPDozeTAHuH4pLcK5H3zGaZZSYCfExQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAOIeTr63sZ5Ipryv+TZ45YcCiQAAEAAAAAu8euJ9K4dMtK4FGVmDGwkBAAAAAA==@bassett.net>
	<C1F865519B4F41C0B6F41A103C8F4BA8@S3600>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1iKBkx-hyAmC7JVAXO7wHdkjfZ_PnyfFsrfsmmtoaENOg@mail.gmail.com>

Lembit,

I'm not sure what ZA means. Zambia? Besides that, you surely hit the nail
on the head. Of all places in the world I would love to visit, Antarctica
tops the list. However, I have heard that it is frightfully expensive to go
there, so that may have to wait for my next contract.

All of this thread has proved most illuminating. At last count, I have
visited 31 countries, and if memory serves, I have about 160 members of the
UN to go. So I'm going to make myself a deal, here and now. On every future
contract that I obtain, I shall visit a nation that I have not yet set foot
on.

For some odd reason, I think that I want to visit St. Petersburg next,
after Cuba. Perhaps it's because I consider Shamil a friend and colleague,
and have even hired him to do some specialized work that I could not do
myself. But first I have to go to Cuba. My romance with Cuba goes back
decades. It's time that I go there. First I have to complete the work on
this contract, then collect the loot, and then I'm off to Havana for two
weeks. No silly tourist places like Varadero for me. I want Havana. I
already mentioned Buena Vista Social Club. That's a big part of the
attraction. So also is a now-Canadian musician named Alex Cuba, who now
lives somewhere in British Columbia, and whose music is wonderful and not
even remotely like the traditional music from the Buena Vista Social Club.


On Sun, Dec 1, 2013 at 8:15 AM, Lembit Soobik <
lembit.soobik at weihenstephan.org> wrote:

> You are sure welcome. Just let me know in time so that I will be at home
> and not somewhere in ZA or Antarctica or ...
> Lembit
>
> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- From: Kathryn Bassett
> Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2013 8:13 PM
>
> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Way OT but I love you people so I'm posing
> thequestion.
>
>
> Neither of those appeals to me. I would choose the Hesse area of Germany to
> visit areas where my ancestors came from. I'd include a side trip to see
> Lembit.
>
> --
> Kathryn Rhinehart Bassett (Pasadena CA)
> "Genealogy is my bag" "GH is my soap"
> kathryn at bassett.net
> http://bassett.net
>
>
>
>  -----Original Message-----
>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-
>> bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
>> Sent: 30 Nov 2013 9:06 AM
>> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>> Subject: [dba-Tech] Way OT but I love you people so I'm posing the
>>
> question.
>
>>
>> I just landed a contract that will pay me enough for two weeks anywhere.
>>
> My
>
>> first and second choices are Havana and London. But I'm reaching out to my
>> friends on this list and asking, Where would you choose to go for two
>>
> weeks?
>
>> Answers must be a place you have never visited yet.
>>
>> --
>> Arthur
>>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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>



-- 
Arthur

From lembit.soobik at weihenstephan.org  Sun Dec  1 09:53:23 2013
From: lembit.soobik at weihenstephan.org (Lembit Soobik)
Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2013 16:53:23 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Way OT but I love you people so I'm
	posingthequestion.
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1iKBkx-hyAmC7JVAXO7wHdkjfZ_PnyfFsrfsmmtoaENOg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1ir8McUDoNx5G8JPDozeTAHuH4pLcK5H3zGaZZSYCfExQ@mail.gmail.com><!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAOIeTr63sZ5Ipryv+TZ45YcCiQAAEAAAAAu8euJ9K4dMtK4FGVmDGwkBAAAAAA==@bassett.net><C1F865519B4F41C0B6F41A103C8F4BA8@S3600>
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Message-ID: <4DC2338CAB2E4AA6A8C59C858EFEF790@S3600>

Arthur,
ZA is South Africa (Zouth Africa?) Maybe 'cause of their dutch background.

Antarctica is expensive to go to. I have been there twice. The first 
(cheaper) trip wasn't worth the money. Second was on a Norwegian ship 'Fram' 
with only about 200 passangers and excellent lectors. We saw a lot lot more.

St. Petersburg is unbelievable pretty, interesting,... and you can meet 
Shamil! I have been there in February and in June. Both times were 
wonderful.

Havanna is sure interesting, butit can make you sad tosee the great 
houses/buildings falling apart.

Lembit

-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- 
From: Arthur Fuller
Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2013 4:15 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Way OT but I love you people so I'm 
posingthequestion.

Lembit,

I'm not sure what ZA means. Zambia? Besides that, you surely hit the nail
on the head. Of all places in the world I would love to visit, Antarctica
tops the list. However, I have heard that it is frightfully expensive to go
there, so that may have to wait for my next contract.

All of this thread has proved most illuminating. At last count, I have
visited 31 countries, and if memory serves, I have about 160 members of the
UN to go. So I'm going to make myself a deal, here and now. On every future
contract that I obtain, I shall visit a nation that I have not yet set foot
on.

For some odd reason, I think that I want to visit St. Petersburg next,
after Cuba. Perhaps it's because I consider Shamil a friend and colleague,
and have even hired him to do some specialized work that I could not do
myself. But first I have to go to Cuba. My romance with Cuba goes back
decades. It's time that I go there. First I have to complete the work on
this contract, then collect the loot, and then I'm off to Havana for two
weeks. No silly tourist places like Varadero for me. I want Havana. I
already mentioned Buena Vista Social Club. That's a big part of the
attraction. So also is a now-Canadian musician named Alex Cuba, who now
lives somewhere in British Columbia, and whose music is wonderful and not
even remotely like the traditional music from the Buena Vista Social Club.



From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Sun Dec  1 09:54:18 2013
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Sun, 01 Dec 2013 19:54:18 +0400
Subject: [dba-Tech]
 =?utf-8?q?Way_OT_but_I_love_you_people_so_I=27m_posing?=
 =?utf-8?q?_thequestion=2E?=
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Message-ID: <1385913258.820800084@f342.i.mail.ru>

 Hi Arthur --

Sorry for a bit off-topic.

I suppose you should hurry with your next contract if you really wanted to visit St.Petersburg, Russia - not sure if another "iron curtain" will not be risen here rather soon.

Have a look what currently happens in Ukraine - live:? http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=uZtwFH4uKxk

And when I have checked what they say about that events here on 5th TV channel - I have immediately remembered? JOSEPH GOEBBELS? ?propaganda methods.? http://www.psywarrior.com/Goebbels.html . Well, that methods are nowadays broadly used worldwide but witnessing them here on this city main TV channel (and Russian third by popularity channel) is really sad :( I mean that.
If you'd have heard what this nice looking lady ( http://www.5-tv.ru/about/person/10/ ) is talking about outer world and what kind of guests she is interviewing and agreeing with you'd believed in existence of the Devil (sorry). And when she is talking - it looks like her body, head, mouth and voice have been captured just to re-translate "the official position", she herself is looking about to go vomiting (sorry) - that's looking and sounding so surrealistic. You have to come here to see that... and only after that all the wonderful architecture and museums... BTW, currently? Sylvester Stallone exhibits his art in St. Petersburg's state Russian Museum? ?( http://edition.cnn.com/2013/11/04/travel/stallone-art-exhibition/ ). I haven't been there yet. Planning to go till Christmas. Rocky (Stallone) is my favorite hero of Hollywood action movies, and he happens to be also an excellent impressionist painter they say here...

Thank you.

-- Shamil

Sunday, December 1, 2013 10:15 AM -05:00 from Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com>:
>Lembit,
>
>I'm not sure what ZA means. Zambia? Besides that, you surely hit the nail
>on the head. Of all places in the world I would love to visit, Antarctica
>tops the list. However, I have heard that it is frightfully expensive to go
>there, so that may have to wait for my next contract.
>
>All of this thread has proved most illuminating. At last count, I have
>visited 31 countries, and if memory serves, I have about 160 members of the
>UN to go. So I'm going to make myself a deal, here and now. On every future
>contract that I obtain, I shall visit a nation that I have not yet set foot
>on.
>
>For some odd reason, I think that I want to visit St. Petersburg next,
>after Cuba. Perhaps it's because I consider Shamil a friend and colleague,
>and have even hired him to do some specialized work that I could not do
>myself. But first I have to go to Cuba. My romance with Cuba goes back
>decades. It's time that I go there. First I have to complete the work on
>this contract, then collect the loot, and then I'm off to Havana for two
>weeks. No silly tourist places like Varadero for me. I want Havana. I
>already mentioned Buena Vista Social Club. That's a big part of the
>attraction. So also is a now-Canadian musician named Alex Cuba, who now
>lives somewhere in British Columbia, and whose music is wonderful and not
>even remotely like the traditional music from the Buena Vista Social Club.
>
>
>On Sun, Dec 1, 2013 at 8:15 AM, Lembit Soobik <
>lembit.soobik at weihenstephan.org > wrote:
>
>> You are sure welcome. Just let me know in time so that I will be at home
>> and not somewhere in ZA or Antarctica or ...
>> Lembit
>>
>> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- From: Kathryn Bassett
>> Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2013 8:13 PM
>>
>> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
>> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Way OT but I love you people so I'm posing
>> thequestion.
>>
>>
>> Neither of those appeals to me. I would choose the Hesse area of Germany to
>> visit areas where my ancestors came from. I'd include a side trip to see
>> Lembit.
>>
>> --
>> Kathryn Rhinehart Bassett (Pasadena CA)
>> "Genealogy is my bag" "GH is my soap"
>>  kathryn at bassett.net
>>  http://bassett.net
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From:  dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-
>>> bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
>>> Sent: 30 Nov 2013 9:06 AM
>>> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>>> Subject: [dba-Tech] Way OT but I love you people so I'm posing the
>>>
>> question.
>>
>>>
>>> I just landed a contract that will pay me enough for two weeks anywhere.
>>>
>> My
>>
>>> first and second choices are Havana and London. But I'm reaching out to my
>>> friends on this list and asking, Where would you choose to go for two
>>>
>> weeks?
>>
>>> Answers must be a place you have never visited yet.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Arthur
>>>
>>
-- 
???????????? ??????

From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Sun Dec  1 12:05:31 2013
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2013 10:05:31 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Way OT but I love you people so I'm
	posingthequestion.
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1iKBkx-hyAmC7JVAXO7wHdkjfZ_PnyfFsrfsmmtoaENOg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1ir8McUDoNx5G8JPDozeTAHuH4pLcK5H3zGaZZSYCfExQ@mail.gmail.com><!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAOIeTr63sZ5Ipryv+TZ45YcCiQAAEAAAAAu8euJ9K4dMtK4FGVmDGwkBAAAAAA==@bassett.net><C1F865519B4F41C0B6F41A103C8F4BA8@S3600>
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Message-ID: <C2A6B4F37026434E882F501BD24520F4@HAL9007>

We named our afro-Cuban band the Buena Vista SoCal Club. :)

R
 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2013 7:16 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Way OT but I love you people so I'm
posingthequestion.

Lembit,

I'm not sure what ZA means. Zambia? Besides that, you surely hit the nail on
the head. Of all places in the world I would love to visit, Antarctica tops
the list. However, I have heard that it is frightfully expensive to go
there, so that may have to wait for my next contract.

All of this thread has proved most illuminating. At last count, I have
visited 31 countries, and if memory serves, I have about 160 members of the
UN to go. So I'm going to make myself a deal, here and now. On every future
contract that I obtain, I shall visit a nation that I have not yet set foot
on.

For some odd reason, I think that I want to visit St. Petersburg next, after
Cuba. Perhaps it's because I consider Shamil a friend and colleague, and
have even hired him to do some specialized work that I could not do myself.
But first I have to go to Cuba. My romance with Cuba goes back decades. It's
time that I go there. First I have to complete the work on this contract,
then collect the loot, and then I'm off to Havana for two weeks. No silly
tourist places like Varadero for me. I want Havana. I already mentioned
Buena Vista Social Club. That's a big part of the attraction. So also is a
now-Canadian musician named Alex Cuba, who now lives somewhere in British
Columbia, and whose music is wonderful and not even remotely like the
traditional music from the Buena Vista Social Club.


On Sun, Dec 1, 2013 at 8:15 AM, Lembit Soobik <
lembit.soobik at weihenstephan.org> wrote:

> You are sure welcome. Just let me know in time so that I will be at 
> home and not somewhere in ZA or Antarctica or ...
> Lembit
>
> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- From: Kathryn Bassett
> Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2013 8:13 PM
>
> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Way OT but I love you people so I'm posing 
> thequestion.
>
>
> Neither of those appeals to me. I would choose the Hesse area of 
> Germany to visit areas where my ancestors came from. I'd include a 
> side trip to see Lembit.
>
> --
> Kathryn Rhinehart Bassett (Pasadena CA) "Genealogy is my bag" "GH is 
> my soap"
> kathryn at bassett.net
> http://bassett.net
>
>
>
>  -----Original Message-----
>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech- 
>> bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
>> Sent: 30 Nov 2013 9:06 AM
>> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>> Subject: [dba-Tech] Way OT but I love you people so I'm posing the
>>
> question.
>
>>
>> I just landed a contract that will pay me enough for two weeks anywhere.
>>
> My
>
>> first and second choices are Havana and London. But I'm reaching out 
>> to my friends on this list and asking, Where would you choose to go 
>> for two
>>
> weeks?
>
>> Answers must be a place you have never visited yet.
>>
>> --
>> Arthur
>>
>
>
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Sun Dec  1 13:40:16 2013
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2013 14:40:16 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Way OT but I love you people so I'm
	posingthequestion.
In-Reply-To: <C2A6B4F37026434E882F501BD24520F4@HAL9007>
References: <CAEPJO1ir8McUDoNx5G8JPDozeTAHuH4pLcK5H3zGaZZSYCfExQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAOIeTr63sZ5Ipryv+TZ45YcCiQAAEAAAAAu8euJ9K4dMtK4FGVmDGwkBAAAAAA==@bassett.net>
	<C1F865519B4F41C0B6F41A103C8F4BA8@S3600>
	<CAEPJO1iKBkx-hyAmC7JVAXO7wHdkjfZ_PnyfFsrfsmmtoaENOg@mail.gmail.com>
	<C2A6B4F37026434E882F501BD24520F4@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1jc2tHbmr3K1Oq5p8RiAMtKcHuMzasyfJS4BAhOq+oZbg@mail.gmail.com>

That will do for me, Rocky. I don't know if I mentioned that, but I play
tabla, very badly, despite instruction from three of the best players in
the world: Zakir Hussain, Swapan Chauduri and Ritesh Das. I have had the
pleasure of their company and am the most embarrasing student they have
ever schooled. I plead guilty on all charges. I am the world;s worst tabla
player. I try and I faiil. I try but I fail, I cannort live up to thia
measure/ I cannot measure up to this. I cannot.


On Sun, Dec 1, 2013 at 1:05 PM, Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:

> We named our afro-Cuban band the Buena Vista SoCal Club. :)
>
> R
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
> Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2013 7:16 AM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Way OT but I love you people so I'm
> posingthequestion.
>
> Lembit,
>
> I'm not sure what ZA means. Zambia? Besides that, you surely hit the nail
> on
> the head. Of all places in the world I would love to visit, Antarctica tops
> the list. However, I have heard that it is frightfully expensive to go
> there, so that may have to wait for my next contract.
>
> All of this thread has proved most illuminating. At last count, I have
> visited 31 countries, and if memory serves, I have about 160 members of the
> UN to go. So I'm going to make myself a deal, here and now. On every future
> contract that I obtain, I shall visit a nation that I have not yet set foot
> on.
>
> For some odd reason, I think that I want to visit St. Petersburg next,
> after
> Cuba. Perhaps it's because I consider Shamil a friend and colleague, and
> have even hired him to do some specialized work that I could not do myself.
> But first I have to go to Cuba. My romance with Cuba goes back decades.
> It's
> time that I go there. First I have to complete the work on this contract,
> then collect the loot, and then I'm off to Havana for two weeks. No silly
> tourist places like Varadero for me. I want Havana. I already mentioned
> Buena Vista Social Club. That's a big part of the attraction. So also is a
> now-Canadian musician named Alex Cuba, who now lives somewhere in British
> Columbia, and whose music is wonderful and not even remotely like the
> traditional music from the Buena Vista Social Club.
>
>
> On Sun, Dec 1, 2013 at 8:15 AM, Lembit Soobik <
> lembit.soobik at weihenstephan.org> wrote:
>
> > You are sure welcome. Just let me know in time so that I will be at
> > home and not somewhere in ZA or Antarctica or ...
> > Lembit
> >
> > -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- From: Kathryn Bassett
> > Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2013 8:13 PM
> >
> > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
> > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Way OT but I love you people so I'm posing
> > thequestion.
> >
> >
> > Neither of those appeals to me. I would choose the Hesse area of
> > Germany to visit areas where my ancestors came from. I'd include a
> > side trip to see Lembit.
> >
> > --
> > Kathryn Rhinehart Bassett (Pasadena CA) "Genealogy is my bag" "GH is
> > my soap"
> > kathryn at bassett.net
> > http://bassett.net
> >
> >
> >
> >  -----Original Message-----
> >> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-
> >> bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
> >> Sent: 30 Nov 2013 9:06 AM
> >> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> >> Subject: [dba-Tech] Way OT but I love you people so I'm posing the
> >>
> > question.
> >
> >>
> >> I just landed a contract that will pay me enough for two weeks anywhere.
> >>
> > My
> >
> >> first and second choices are Havana and London. But I'm reaching out
> >> to my friends on this list and asking, Where would you choose to go
> >> for two
> >>
> > weeks?
> >
> >> Answers must be a place you have never visited yet.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Arthur
> >>
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> >
>
>
>
> --
> Arthur
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sun Dec  1 14:40:20 2013
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2013 06:40:20 +1000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Way OT but I love you people so I'm
	posingthequestion.
In-Reply-To: <4DC2338CAB2E4AA6A8C59C858EFEF790@S3600>
References: <CAEPJO1ir8McUDoNx5G8JPDozeTAHuH4pLcK5H3zGaZZSYCfExQ@mail.gmail.com>,
	<CAEPJO1iKBkx-hyAmC7JVAXO7wHdkjfZ_PnyfFsrfsmmtoaENOg@mail.gmail.com>,
	<4DC2338CAB2E4AA6A8C59C858EFEF790@S3600>
Message-ID: <529B9EB4.15240.557932A4@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Yep, Dutch -  Zuid-Afrika :-)


On 1 Dec 2013 at 16:53, Lembit Soobik wrote:

> Arthur,
> ZA is South Africa (Zouth Africa?) Maybe 'cause of their dutch
> background.
> 


From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Dec  2 06:24:43 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2013 05:24:43 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Way OT but I love you people so I'm posing
	the	question.
In-Reply-To: <529AC78D.2090703@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <1340131668.78914024.1385987083552.JavaMail.root@cds002>

London is definitely one of the greatest cities but we kind of partial to Paris too....and for smaller cities there is Lisbon and Seville. Tokyo is grand but Kyoto is one of our favourites.

Cities in the future to see will be Rome (and much of Italy), Shanghai, Copenhagen, Saint Petersburg, Rio de Janeiro...   

We are having our official fortieth wedding anniversary next year and if all the house renovations are completed...who knows where we will be going.
   
Jim 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Brawley" <peter.brawley at earthlink.net>
To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2013 9:22:21 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Way OT but I love you people so I'm posing the	question.

On 2013-11-30 11:06 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote:
> I just landed a contract that will pay me enough for two weeks anywhere. My
> first and second choices are Havana and London. But I'm reaching out to my
> friends on this list and asking, Where would you choose to go for two
> weeks? Answers must be a place you have never visited yet.
>
London, no contest and I'd spend most every evening in the Royal 
Festival Hall, Queen Elizabeth, Barbican Centre, Wigmore Hall, Covent 
Garden,  or a few West End theatres.

PB
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From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Mon Dec  2 06:33:01 2013
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2013 12:33:01 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Way OT but I love you people so I'm
	posing	the	question.
In-Reply-To: <1340131668.78914024.1385987083552.JavaMail.root@cds002>
References: <529AC78D.2090703@earthlink.net>
	<1340131668.78914024.1385987083552.JavaMail.root@cds002>
Message-ID: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB082959C5CEBDCF1@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk>

http://visit-belfast.com/

Nowhere else like it anywhere plus it's only a short flight anywhere else in Europe!

Oh and we have lots of these to add to the interest!!!

http://cain.ulst.ac.uk/images/photos/belfast/peaceline/peaceline3.htm

Martin




-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: 02 December 2013 12:25
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Way OT but I love you people so I'm posing the question.

London is definitely one of the greatest cities but we kind of partial to Paris too....and for smaller cities there is Lisbon and Seville. Tokyo is grand but Kyoto is one of our favourites.

Cities in the future to see will be Rome (and much of Italy), Shanghai, Copenhagen, Saint Petersburg, Rio de Janeiro...   

We are having our official fortieth wedding anniversary next year and if all the house renovations are completed...who knows where we will be going.
   
Jim 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Brawley" <peter.brawley at earthlink.net>
To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2013 9:22:21 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Way OT but I love you people so I'm posing the	question.

On 2013-11-30 11:06 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote:
> I just landed a contract that will pay me enough for two weeks 
> anywhere. My first and second choices are Havana and London. But I'm 
> reaching out to my friends on this list and asking, Where would you 
> choose to go for two weeks? Answers must be a place you have never visited yet.
>
London, no contest and I'd spend most every evening in the Royal Festival Hall, Queen Elizabeth, Barbican Centre, Wigmore Hall, Covent Garden,  or a few West End theatres.

PB
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Dec  2 07:02:43 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2013 06:02:43 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Way OT but I love you people so
	I'm	posing	the	question.
In-Reply-To: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB082959C5CEBDCF1@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <1098027058.78939699.1385989363131.JavaMail.root@cds002>

How could I possibility have over looked Belfast...Ireland and Scotland are home to one line of ancestors.

Jim 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Martin Reid" <mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, December 2, 2013 4:33:01 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Way OT but I love you people so I'm	posing	the	question.

http://visit-belfast.com/

Nowhere else like it anywhere plus it's only a short flight anywhere else in Europe!

Oh and we have lots of these to add to the interest!!!

http://cain.ulst.ac.uk/images/photos/belfast/peaceline/peaceline3.htm

Martin




-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: 02 December 2013 12:25
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Way OT but I love you people so I'm posing the question.

London is definitely one of the greatest cities but we kind of partial to Paris too....and for smaller cities there is Lisbon and Seville. Tokyo is grand but Kyoto is one of our favourites.

Cities in the future to see will be Rome (and much of Italy), Shanghai, Copenhagen, Saint Petersburg, Rio de Janeiro...   

We are having our official fortieth wedding anniversary next year and if all the house renovations are completed...who knows where we will be going.
   
Jim 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Brawley" <peter.brawley at earthlink.net>
To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2013 9:22:21 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Way OT but I love you people so I'm posing the	question.

On 2013-11-30 11:06 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote:
> I just landed a contract that will pay me enough for two weeks 
> anywhere. My first and second choices are Havana and London. But I'm 
> reaching out to my friends on this list and asking, Where would you 
> choose to go for two weeks? Answers must be a place you have never visited yet.
>
London, no contest and I'd spend most every evening in the Royal Festival Hall, Queen Elizabeth, Barbican Centre, Wigmore Hall, Covent Garden,  or a few West End theatres.

PB
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From jon at tydda.plus.com  Mon Dec  2 08:37:53 2013
From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda)
Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2013 14:37:53 -0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Way OT but I love you people so I'm
	posing	the	question.
In-Reply-To: <1340131668.78914024.1385987083552.JavaMail.root@cds002>
References: <529AC78D.2090703@earthlink.net>
	<1340131668.78914024.1385987083552.JavaMail.root@cds002>
Message-ID: <008601ceef6c$16781d00$43685700$@tydda.plus.com>

I'd go to Italy. I've been itching to go for years, but never quite managed
it. Poland too, to see where my grandfather came from, meet some of the
family (it's where my surname is from, for those who were wondering). I have
family in Italy too on my grandmother's side. It'd be great to see either
place, but I think there's a lot more of the historical stuff in Italy that
I'd be interested in.


Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: 02 December 2013 12:25
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Way OT but I love you people so I'm posing the
question.

London is definitely one of the greatest cities but we kind of partial to
Paris too....and for smaller cities there is Lisbon and Seville. Tokyo is
grand but Kyoto is one of our favourites.

Cities in the future to see will be Rome (and much of Italy), Shanghai,
Copenhagen, Saint Petersburg, Rio de Janeiro...   

We are having our official fortieth wedding anniversary next year and if all
the house renovations are completed...who knows where we will be going.
   
Jim 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Brawley" <peter.brawley at earthlink.net>
To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2013 9:22:21 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Way OT but I love you people so I'm posing the
question.

On 2013-11-30 11:06 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote:
> I just landed a contract that will pay me enough for two weeks 
> anywhere. My first and second choices are Havana and London. But I'm 
> reaching out to my friends on this list and asking, Where would you 
> choose to go for two weeks? Answers must be a place you have never visited
yet.
>
London, no contest and I'd spend most every evening in the Royal Festival
Hall, Queen Elizabeth, Barbican Centre, Wigmore Hall, Covent Garden,  or a
few West End theatres.

PB
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Mon Dec  2 09:44:24 2013
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2013 10:44:24 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Way OT but I love you people so I'm posing the
	question.
In-Reply-To: <008601ceef6c$16781d00$43685700$@tydda.plus.com>
References: <529AC78D.2090703@earthlink.net>
	<1340131668.78914024.1385987083552.JavaMail.root@cds002>
	<008601ceef6c$16781d00$43685700$@tydda.plus.com>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1iOj9forXbNACdRPPGPyT6tN4ZUiJPDF5fLGSensRbcOw@mail.gmail.com>

Martin, I hear there's violence over there. But you know, I'm prepared for
violence, well at least a tad. But the underlying question is, should I
declare myself a Protestant or a Chothic or an agnostic? I am forced to
adopit the lattrer belief. In my humble opinion, supposing that there is a
god (any why only one, but that is a side question), I have about as much
chance of comprehending his/her ways as a bacterium in my stomach has of
understanding economics.


On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 9:37 AM, Jon Tydda <jon at tydda.plus.com> wrote:

> I'd go to Italy. I've been itching to go for years, but never quite managed
> it. Poland too, to see where my grandfather came from, meet some of the
> family (it's where my surname is from, for those who were wondering). I
> have
> family in Italy too on my grandmother's side. It'd be great to see either
> place, but I think there's a lot more of the historical stuff in Italy that
> I'd be interested in.
>
>
> Jon
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
> Sent: 02 December 2013 12:25
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Way OT but I love you people so I'm posing the
> question.
>
> London is definitely one of the greatest cities but we kind of partial to
> Paris too....and for smaller cities there is Lisbon and Seville. Tokyo is
> grand but Kyoto is one of our favourites.
>
> Cities in the future to see will be Rome (and much of Italy), Shanghai,
> Copenhagen, Saint Petersburg, Rio de Janeiro...
>
> We are having our official fortieth wedding anniversary next year and if
> all
> the house renovations are completed...who knows where we will be going.
>
> Jim
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Peter Brawley" <peter.brawley at earthlink.net>
> To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
> Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2013 9:22:21 PM
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Way OT but I love you people so I'm posing the
> question.
>
> On 2013-11-30 11:06 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote:
> > I just landed a contract that will pay me enough for two weeks
> > anywhere. My first and second choices are Havana and London. But I'm
> > reaching out to my friends on this list and asking, Where would you
> > choose to go for two weeks? Answers must be a place you have never
> visited
> yet.
> >
> London, no contest and I'd spend most every evening in the Royal Festival
> Hall, Queen Elizabeth, Barbican Centre, Wigmore Hall, Covent Garden,  or a
> few West End theatres.
>
> PB
> _______________________________________________
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-- 
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From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Mon Dec  2 09:55:44 2013
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2013 15:55:44 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Way OT but I love you people so I'm posing
	the	question.
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1iOj9forXbNACdRPPGPyT6tN4ZUiJPDF5fLGSensRbcOw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <529AC78D.2090703@earthlink.net>
	<1340131668.78914024.1385987083552.JavaMail.root@cds002>
	<008601ceef6c$16781d00$43685700$@tydda.plus.com>
	<CAEPJO1iOj9forXbNACdRPPGPyT6tN4ZUiJPDF5fLGSensRbcOw@mail.gmail.com>
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LOL

Little bit of violence. Nothing to worry about. Will give you the guided tour - little one sided as there would be places I would still not be comfortable going into (<:

You're a tourist, no need to pick a side!

Martin




-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: 02 December 2013 15:44
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Way OT but I love you people so I'm posing the question.

Martin, I hear there's violence over there. But you know, I'm prepared for violence, well at least a tad. But the underlying question is, should I declare myself a Protestant or a Chothic or an agnostic? I am forced to adopit the lattrer belief. In my humble opinion, supposing that there is a god (any why only one, but that is a side question), I have about as much chance of comprehending his/her ways as a bacterium in my stomach has of understanding economics.


On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 9:37 AM, Jon Tydda <jon at tydda.plus.com> wrote:

> I'd go to Italy. I've been itching to go for years, but never quite 
> managed it. Poland too, to see where my grandfather came from, meet 
> some of the family (it's where my surname is from, for those who were 
> wondering). I have family in Italy too on my grandmother's side. It'd 
> be great to see either place, but I think there's a lot more of the 
> historical stuff in Italy that I'd be interested in.
>
>
> Jon
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim 
> Lawrence
> Sent: 02 December 2013 12:25
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Way OT but I love you people so I'm posing the 
> question.
>
> London is definitely one of the greatest cities but we kind of partial 
> to Paris too....and for smaller cities there is Lisbon and Seville. 
> Tokyo is grand but Kyoto is one of our favourites.
>
> Cities in the future to see will be Rome (and much of Italy), 
> Shanghai, Copenhagen, Saint Petersburg, Rio de Janeiro...
>
> We are having our official fortieth wedding anniversary next year and 
> if all the house renovations are completed...who knows where we will 
> be going.
>
> Jim
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Peter Brawley" <peter.brawley at earthlink.net>
> To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
> Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2013 9:22:21 PM
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Way OT but I love you people so I'm posing the 
> question.
>
> On 2013-11-30 11:06 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote:
> > I just landed a contract that will pay me enough for two weeks 
> > anywhere. My first and second choices are Havana and London. But I'm 
> > reaching out to my friends on this list and asking, Where would you 
> > choose to go for two weeks? Answers must be a place you have never
> visited
> yet.
> >
> London, no contest and I'd spend most every evening in the Royal 
> Festival Hall, Queen Elizabeth, Barbican Centre, Wigmore Hall, Covent 
> Garden,  or a few West End theatres.
>
> PB
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Mon Dec  2 12:14:56 2013
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2013 13:14:56 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Way OT but I love you people so I'm posing the
	question.
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LoL I love you Martin.


On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 10:55 AM, Martin Reid <mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk> wrote:

> LOL
>
> Little bit of violence. Nothing to worry about. Will give you the guided
> tour - little one sided as there would be places I would still not be
> comfortable going into (<:
>
> You're a tourist, no need to pick a side!
>
> Martin
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:
> dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
> Sent: 02 December 2013 15:44
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Way OT but I love you people so I'm posing the
> question.
>
> Martin, I hear there's violence over there. But you know, I'm prepared for
> violence, well at least a tad. But the underlying question is, should I
> declare myself a Protestant or a Chothic or an agnostic? I am forced to
> adopit the lattrer belief. In my humble opinion, supposing that there is a
> god (any why only one, but that is a side question), I have about as much
> chance of comprehending his/her ways as a bacterium in my stomach has of
> understanding economics.
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 9:37 AM, Jon Tydda <jon at tydda.plus.com> wrote:
>
> > I'd go to Italy. I've been itching to go for years, but never quite
> > managed it. Poland too, to see where my grandfather came from, meet
> > some of the family (it's where my surname is from, for those who were
> > wondering). I have family in Italy too on my grandmother's side. It'd
> > be great to see either place, but I think there's a lot more of the
> > historical stuff in Italy that I'd be interested in.
> >
> >
> > Jon
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim
> > Lawrence
> > Sent: 02 December 2013 12:25
> > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Way OT but I love you people so I'm posing the
> > question.
> >
> > London is definitely one of the greatest cities but we kind of partial
> > to Paris too....and for smaller cities there is Lisbon and Seville.
> > Tokyo is grand but Kyoto is one of our favourites.
> >
> > Cities in the future to see will be Rome (and much of Italy),
> > Shanghai, Copenhagen, Saint Petersburg, Rio de Janeiro...
> >
> > We are having our official fortieth wedding anniversary next year and
> > if all the house renovations are completed...who knows where we will
> > be going.
> >
> > Jim
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Peter Brawley" <peter.brawley at earthlink.net>
> > To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2013 9:22:21 PM
> > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Way OT but I love you people so I'm posing the
> > question.
> >
> > On 2013-11-30 11:06 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote:
> > > I just landed a contract that will pay me enough for two weeks
> > > anywhere. My first and second choices are Havana and London. But I'm
> > > reaching out to my friends on this list and asking, Where would you
> > > choose to go for two weeks? Answers must be a place you have never
> > visited
> > yet.
> > >
> > London, no contest and I'd spend most every evening in the Royal
> > Festival Hall, Queen Elizabeth, Barbican Centre, Wigmore Hall, Covent
> > Garden,  or a few West End theatres.
> >
> > PB
> > _______________________________________________
> > dba-Tech mailing list
> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
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> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
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> >
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> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
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> >
>
>
>
> --
> Arthur
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Dec  2 13:25:34 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2013 12:25:34 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Way OT but I love you people so
	I'm	posing	the	question.
In-Reply-To: <008601ceef6c$16781d00$43685700$@tydda.plus.com>
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Italy would definitely be a good place to go...considering Italians have been running things for around 3000 years, first the Roman Empire and then the Roman Catholic church...so they have hordes of culture from everywhere. Then there is a bit of a recession going on in the country so the prices might also be excellent.

...And anyone that can build the Ferrari, Maserati and Lamborghini to name a few...  

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jon Tydda" <jon at tydda.plus.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, December 2, 2013 6:37:53 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Way OT but I love you people so I'm	posing	the	question.

I'd go to Italy. I've been itching to go for years, but never quite managed
it. Poland too, to see where my grandfather came from, meet some of the
family (it's where my surname is from, for those who were wondering). I have
family in Italy too on my grandmother's side. It'd be great to see either
place, but I think there's a lot more of the historical stuff in Italy that
I'd be interested in.


Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: 02 December 2013 12:25
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Way OT but I love you people so I'm posing the
question.

London is definitely one of the greatest cities but we kind of partial to
Paris too....and for smaller cities there is Lisbon and Seville. Tokyo is
grand but Kyoto is one of our favourites.

Cities in the future to see will be Rome (and much of Italy), Shanghai,
Copenhagen, Saint Petersburg, Rio de Janeiro...   

We are having our official fortieth wedding anniversary next year and if all
the house renovations are completed...who knows where we will be going.
   
Jim 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Brawley" <peter.brawley at earthlink.net>
To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2013 9:22:21 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Way OT but I love you people so I'm posing the
question.

On 2013-11-30 11:06 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote:
> I just landed a contract that will pay me enough for two weeks 
> anywhere. My first and second choices are Havana and London. But I'm 
> reaching out to my friends on this list and asking, Where would you 
> choose to go for two weeks? Answers must be a place you have never visited
yet.
>
London, no contest and I'd spend most every evening in the Royal Festival
Hall, Queen Elizabeth, Barbican Centre, Wigmore Hall, Covent Garden,  or a
few West End theatres.

PB
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From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Mon Dec  2 16:20:54 2013
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2013 02:20:54 +0400
Subject: [dba-Tech]
 =?utf-8?q?Way_OT_but_I_love_you_people_so_I=27m=09posi?=
 =?utf-8?q?ng=09the=09question=2E?=
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 Hi Jim --

I have been in the the East-South Italy Salento region this summer - I can't say prices somehow differ (/are lower than) from Paris or Amsterdam or Ghent or Brussels, where I have been last year November. And gasoline is very expensive - 1.7x EURO in Italy ( http://www.energy.eu/ ) ), even here in Russia it's now "just" ~1USD+/liter. Well, ordinary everyday good wine costs in Italy are low (up to 3EURO per 0.7l bottle) as well as prices for some Italian local fruits and vegetables but that's it AFAIHF.

Thank you.

-- Shamil


Monday, December  2, 2013 12:25 PM -07:00 from Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca>:
>Italy would definitely be a good place to go...considering Italians have been running things for around 3000 years, first the Roman Empire and then the Roman Catholic church...so they have hordes of culture from everywhere. Then there is a bit of a recession going on in the country so the prices might also be excellent.
>
>...And anyone that can build the Ferrari, Maserati and Lamborghini to name a few... 
>
>Jim
<<< skipped >>>
>

From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Dec  3 13:15:51 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2013 12:15:51 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Way OT but I love you people so I'm posing
	the	question.
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1iOj9forXbNACdRPPGPyT6tN4ZUiJPDF5fLGSensRbcOw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1467099219.80746016.1386098151808.JavaMail.root@cds002>

You should read some of the writings and poetry of Kahlil Gibran.

One of his many sonnets:
http://www.katsandogz.com/onreligion.html

Jim  

----- Original Message -----
From: "Arthur Fuller" <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, December 2, 2013 7:44:24 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Way OT but I love you people so I'm posing the	question.

Martin, I hear there's violence over there. But you know, I'm prepared for
violence, well at least a tad. But the underlying question is, should I
declare myself a Protestant or a Chothic or an agnostic? I am forced to
adopit the lattrer belief. In my humble opinion, supposing that there is a
god (any why only one, but that is a side question), I have about as much
chance of comprehending his/her ways as a bacterium in my stomach has of
understanding economics.


On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 9:37 AM, Jon Tydda <jon at tydda.plus.com> wrote:

> I'd go to Italy. I've been itching to go for years, but never quite managed
> it. Poland too, to see where my grandfather came from, meet some of the
> family (it's where my surname is from, for those who were wondering). I
> have
> family in Italy too on my grandmother's side. It'd be great to see either
> place, but I think there's a lot more of the historical stuff in Italy that
> I'd be interested in.
>
>
> Jon
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
> Sent: 02 December 2013 12:25
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Way OT but I love you people so I'm posing the
> question.
>
> London is definitely one of the greatest cities but we kind of partial to
> Paris too....and for smaller cities there is Lisbon and Seville. Tokyo is
> grand but Kyoto is one of our favourites.
>
> Cities in the future to see will be Rome (and much of Italy), Shanghai,
> Copenhagen, Saint Petersburg, Rio de Janeiro...
>
> We are having our official fortieth wedding anniversary next year and if
> all
> the house renovations are completed...who knows where we will be going.
>
> Jim
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Peter Brawley" <peter.brawley at earthlink.net>
> To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
> Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2013 9:22:21 PM
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Way OT but I love you people so I'm posing the
> question.
>
> On 2013-11-30 11:06 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote:
> > I just landed a contract that will pay me enough for two weeks
> > anywhere. My first and second choices are Havana and London. But I'm
> > reaching out to my friends on this list and asking, Where would you
> > choose to go for two weeks? Answers must be a place you have never
> visited
> yet.
> >
> London, no contest and I'd spend most every evening in the Royal Festival
> Hall, Queen Elizabeth, Barbican Centre, Wigmore Hall, Covent Garden,  or a
> few West End theatres.
>
> PB
> _______________________________________________
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>
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>



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From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Tue Dec  3 14:51:57 2013
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2013 20:51:57 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Way OT but I love you people so I'm
	posing	the	question.
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References: <1467099219.80746016.1386098151808.JavaMail.root@cds002>
Message-ID: <7C9F1964-7431-428C-8BF3-CABEDC4BECB4@qub.ac.uk>

Jim

I liked this


And if you would know God be not therefore a solver of riddles.
Rather look about you and you shall see Him playing with your children.
And look into space; you shall see Him walking in the cloud, outstretching His arms in the lightning and descending in rain.
You shall see Him smiling in flowers, then rising and waving His hands in trees.

From jon at tydda.plus.com  Tue Dec  3 15:55:11 2013
From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda)
Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2013 21:55:11 -0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Way OT but I love you people
	so	I'm	posing	the	question.
In-Reply-To: <1932131221.79491212.1386012334558.JavaMail.root@cds002>
References: <008601ceef6c$16781d00$43685700$@tydda.plus.com>
	<1932131221.79491212.1386012334558.JavaMail.root@cds002>
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And my beautiful Alfa :-)


Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: 02 December 2013 19:26
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Way OT but I love you people so I'm posing the
question.

Italy would definitely be a good place to go...considering Italians have
been running things for around 3000 years, first the Roman Empire and then
the Roman Catholic church...so they have hordes of culture from everywhere.
Then there is a bit of a recession going on in the country so the prices
might also be excellent.

...And anyone that can build the Ferrari, Maserati and Lamborghini to name a
few...  

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jon Tydda" <jon at tydda.plus.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, December 2, 2013 6:37:53 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Way OT but I love you people so I'm	posing	the
question.

I'd go to Italy. I've been itching to go for years, but never quite managed
it. Poland too, to see where my grandfather came from, meet some of the
family (it's where my surname is from, for those who were wondering). I have
family in Italy too on my grandmother's side. It'd be great to see either
place, but I think there's a lot more of the historical stuff in Italy that
I'd be interested in.


Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: 02 December 2013 12:25
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Way OT but I love you people so I'm posing the
question.

London is definitely one of the greatest cities but we kind of partial to
Paris too....and for smaller cities there is Lisbon and Seville. Tokyo is
grand but Kyoto is one of our favourites.

Cities in the future to see will be Rome (and much of Italy), Shanghai,
Copenhagen, Saint Petersburg, Rio de Janeiro...   

We are having our official fortieth wedding anniversary next year and if all
the house renovations are completed...who knows where we will be going.
   
Jim 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Brawley" <peter.brawley at earthlink.net>
To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2013 9:22:21 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Way OT but I love you people so I'm posing the
question.

On 2013-11-30 11:06 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote:
> I just landed a contract that will pay me enough for two weeks 
> anywhere. My first and second choices are Havana and London. But I'm 
> reaching out to my friends on this list and asking, Where would you 
> choose to go for two weeks? Answers must be a place you have never 
> visited
yet.
>
London, no contest and I'd spend most every evening in the Royal Festival
Hall, Queen Elizabeth, Barbican Centre, Wigmore Hall, Covent Garden,  or a
few West End theatres.

PB
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From jon at tydda.plus.com  Tue Dec  3 15:59:06 2013
From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda)
Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2013 21:59:06 -0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Way OT but I love you people so
	I'm	posing	the	question.
In-Reply-To: <1386022854.589696590@f385.i.mail.ru>
References: <008601ceef6c$16781d00$43685700$@tydda.plus.com>	<1932131221.79491212.1386012334558.JavaMail.root@cds002>
	<1386022854.589696590@f385.i.mail.ru>
Message-ID: <008d01cef072$e455a880$ad00f980$@tydda.plus.com>

Well I'm stunned. You've managed to find somewhere that petrol is more
expensive than the UK!

I found this site: http://www.fuel-prices-europe.info/ which has some nice
comparisons in Euros and the local currency... so I'm paying about double
what people in the US are paying.


Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov
Shamil
Sent: 02 December 2013 22:21
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Way OT but I love you people so I'm posing the
question.

 Hi Jim --

I have been in the the East-South Italy Salento region this summer - I can't
say prices somehow differ (/are lower than) from Paris or Amsterdam or Ghent
or Brussels, where I have been last year November. And gasoline is very
expensive - 1.7x EURO in Italy ( http://www.energy.eu/ ) ), even here in
Russia it's now "just" ~1USD+/liter. Well, ordinary everyday good wine costs
in Italy are low (up to 3EURO per 0.7l bottle) as well as prices for some
Italian local fruits and vegetables but that's it AFAIHF.

Thank you.

-- Shamil


Monday, December  2, 2013 12:25 PM -07:00 from Jim Lawrence
<accessd at shaw.ca>:
>Italy would definitely be a good place to go...considering Italians have
been running things for around 3000 years, first the Roman Empire and then
the Roman Catholic church...so they have hordes of culture from everywhere.
Then there is a bit of a recession going on in the country so the prices
might also be excellent.
>
>...And anyone that can build the Ferrari, Maserati and Lamborghini to name
a few... 
>
>Jim
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From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Tue Dec  3 16:32:36 2013
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2013 14:32:36 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Way OT but I love you people so I'm	posing	the
	question.
In-Reply-To: <008d01cef072$e455a880$ad00f980$@tydda.plus.com>
References: <008601ceef6c$16781d00$43685700$@tydda.plus.com>	<1932131221.79491212.1386012334558.JavaMail.root@cds002>
	<1386022854.589696590@f385.i.mail.ru>
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I?m only surprised Denmark wasn?t among the top 3 most expensive countries.

We?re number 5! We?re number 5! (or 6, if you buy Diesel)

- Hans


On Dec 3, 2013, at 1:59 PM, Jon Tydda <jon at tydda.plus.com> wrote:

> Well I'm stunned. You've managed to find somewhere that petrol is more
> expensive than the UK!
> 
> I found this site: http://www.fuel-prices-europe.info/ which has some nice
> comparisons in Euros and the local currency... so I'm paying about double
> what people in the US are paying.
> 
> 
> Jon
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov
> Shamil
> Sent: 02 December 2013 22:21
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Way OT but I love you people so I'm posing the
> question.
> 
> Hi Jim --
> 
> I have been in the the East-South Italy Salento region this summer - I can't
> say prices somehow differ (/are lower than) from Paris or Amsterdam or Ghent
> or Brussels, where I have been last year November. And gasoline is very
> expensive - 1.7x EURO in Italy ( http://www.energy.eu/ ) ), even here in
> Russia it's now "just" ~1USD+/liter. Well, ordinary everyday good wine costs
> in Italy are low (up to 3EURO per 0.7l bottle) as well as prices for some
> Italian local fruits and vegetables but that's it AFAIHF.
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> -- Shamil
> 
> 
> Monday, December  2, 2013 12:25 PM -07:00 from Jim Lawrence
> <accessd at shaw.ca>:
>> Italy would definitely be a good place to go...considering Italians have
> been running things for around 3000 years, first the Roman Empire and then
> the Roman Catholic church...so they have hordes of culture from everywhere.
> Then there is a bit of a recession going on in the country so the prices
> might also be excellent.
>> 
>> ...And anyone that can build the Ferrari, Maserati and Lamborghini to name
> a few... 
>> 
>> Jim
> <<< skipped >>>
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Dec  3 17:09:17 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2013 16:09:17 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Way OT but I love you
	people	so	I'm	posing	the	question.
In-Reply-To: <008c01cef072$57f64b60$07e2e220$@tydda.plus.com>
Message-ID: <995500213.81031633.1386112157296.JavaMail.root@cds002>

Yes, let us not forget the Alfa.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jon Tydda" <jon at tydda.plus.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 3, 2013 1:55:11 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Way OT but I love you people	so	I'm	posing	the	question.

And my beautiful Alfa :-)


Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: 02 December 2013 19:26
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Way OT but I love you people so I'm posing the
question.

Italy would definitely be a good place to go...considering Italians have
been running things for around 3000 years, first the Roman Empire and then
the Roman Catholic church...so they have hordes of culture from everywhere.
Then there is a bit of a recession going on in the country so the prices
might also be excellent.

...And anyone that can build the Ferrari, Maserati and Lamborghini to name a
few...  

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jon Tydda" <jon at tydda.plus.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, December 2, 2013 6:37:53 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Way OT but I love you people so I'm	posing	the
question.

I'd go to Italy. I've been itching to go for years, but never quite managed
it. Poland too, to see where my grandfather came from, meet some of the
family (it's where my surname is from, for those who were wondering). I have
family in Italy too on my grandmother's side. It'd be great to see either
place, but I think there's a lot more of the historical stuff in Italy that
I'd be interested in.


Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: 02 December 2013 12:25
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Way OT but I love you people so I'm posing the
question.

London is definitely one of the greatest cities but we kind of partial to
Paris too....and for smaller cities there is Lisbon and Seville. Tokyo is
grand but Kyoto is one of our favourites.

Cities in the future to see will be Rome (and much of Italy), Shanghai,
Copenhagen, Saint Petersburg, Rio de Janeiro...   

We are having our official fortieth wedding anniversary next year and if all
the house renovations are completed...who knows where we will be going.
   
Jim 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Brawley" <peter.brawley at earthlink.net>
To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2013 9:22:21 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Way OT but I love you people so I'm posing the
question.

On 2013-11-30 11:06 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote:
> I just landed a contract that will pay me enough for two weeks 
> anywhere. My first and second choices are Havana and London. But I'm 
> reaching out to my friends on this list and asking, Where would you 
> choose to go for two weeks? Answers must be a place you have never 
> visited
yet.
>
London, no contest and I'd spend most every evening in the Royal Festival
Hall, Queen Elizabeth, Barbican Centre, Wigmore Hall, Covent Garden,  or a
few West End theatres.

PB
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Dec  3 21:00:28 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2013 20:00:28 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Way OT but I love you people so
	I'm	posing	the	question.
In-Reply-To: <C6CF9A41-D165-4527-9FB4-89B1515A0E39@phulse.com>
Message-ID: <708475874.81236154.1386126028381.JavaMail.root@cds002>

It is interesting to note that Norway, a country who actually products and subsequently sells oil has the highest car fuel prices while Saudi Arabia has the lowest?

Jim 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Hans-Christian Andersen" <hans.andersen at phulse.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 3, 2013 2:32:36 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Way OT but I love you people so I'm	posing	the	question.

I?m only surprised Denmark wasn?t among the top 3 most expensive countries.

We?re number 5! We?re number 5! (or 6, if you buy Diesel)

- Hans


On Dec 3, 2013, at 1:59 PM, Jon Tydda <jon at tydda.plus.com> wrote:

> Well I'm stunned. You've managed to find somewhere that petrol is more
> expensive than the UK!
> 
> I found this site: http://www.fuel-prices-europe.info/ which has some nice
> comparisons in Euros and the local currency... so I'm paying about double
> what people in the US are paying.
> 
> 
> Jon
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov
> Shamil
> Sent: 02 December 2013 22:21
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Way OT but I love you people so I'm posing the
> question.
> 
> Hi Jim --
> 
> I have been in the the East-South Italy Salento region this summer - I can't
> say prices somehow differ (/are lower than) from Paris or Amsterdam or Ghent
> or Brussels, where I have been last year November. And gasoline is very
> expensive - 1.7x EURO in Italy ( http://www.energy.eu/ ) ), even here in
> Russia it's now "just" ~1USD+/liter. Well, ordinary everyday good wine costs
> in Italy are low (up to 3EURO per 0.7l bottle) as well as prices for some
> Italian local fruits and vegetables but that's it AFAIHF.
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> -- Shamil
> 
> 
> Monday, December  2, 2013 12:25 PM -07:00 from Jim Lawrence
> <accessd at shaw.ca>:
>> Italy would definitely be a good place to go...considering Italians have
> been running things for around 3000 years, first the Roman Empire and then
> the Roman Catholic church...so they have hordes of culture from everywhere.
> Then there is a bit of a recession going on in the country so the prices
> might also be excellent.
>> 
>> ...And anyone that can build the Ferrari, Maserati and Lamborghini to name
> a few... 
>> 
>> Jim
> <<< skipped >>>
>> 
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Dec  3 21:20:07 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2013 20:20:07 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Way OT but I love you people so
	I'm	posing	the	question.
In-Reply-To: <1386022854.589696590@f385.i.mail.ru>
Message-ID: <2066669040.81251948.1386127207864.JavaMail.root@cds002>

Hi Shamil:

This is good and bad. If the prices continue to increase hybrid and pure electric cars will become more popular. People using public transportation will of course increase...all of these are not bad things.

Not to mention, the number of telecommuting worker will also increase numbers:

http://www.naiop.org/en/Magazine/2013/Spring-2013/Business-Trends/The-Entrepreneur-Telecommuting-Trends.aspx

Is there similar growth in other countries?

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" <mcp2004 at mail.ru>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, December 2, 2013 2:20:54 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Way OT but I love you people so I'm	posing	the	question.

 Hi Jim --

I have been in the the East-South Italy Salento region this summer - I can't say prices somehow differ (/are lower than) from Paris or Amsterdam or Ghent or Brussels, where I have been last year November. And gasoline is very expensive - 1.7x EURO in Italy ( http://www.energy.eu/ ) ), even here in Russia it's now "just" ~1USD+/liter. Well, ordinary everyday good wine costs in Italy are low (up to 3EURO per 0.7l bottle) as well as prices for some Italian local fruits and vegetables but that's it AFAIHF.

Thank you.

-- Shamil


Monday, December  2, 2013 12:25 PM -07:00 from Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca>:
>Italy would definitely be a good place to go...considering Italians have been running things for around 3000 years, first the Roman Empire and then the Roman Catholic church...so they have hordes of culture from everywhere. Then there is a bit of a recession going on in the country so the prices might also be excellent.
>
>...And anyone that can build the Ferrari, Maserati and Lamborghini to name a few... 
>
>Jim
<<< skipped >>>
>
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Dec  3 21:38:42 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2013 20:38:42 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Way OT but I love you
	people	so	I'm	posing	the	question.
In-Reply-To: <008c01cef072$57f64b60$07e2e220$@tydda.plus.com>
Message-ID: <1567964641.81263579.1386128322450.JavaMail.root@cds002>

Yes, let us not forget the Alfa.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jon Tydda" <jon at tydda.plus.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 3, 2013 1:55:11 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Way OT but I love you people	so	I'm	posing	the	question.

And my beautiful Alfa :-)


Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: 02 December 2013 19:26
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Way OT but I love you people so I'm posing the
question.

Italy would definitely be a good place to go...considering Italians have
been running things for around 3000 years, first the Roman Empire and then
the Roman Catholic church...so they have hordes of culture from everywhere.
Then there is a bit of a recession going on in the country so the prices
might also be excellent.

...And anyone that can build the Ferrari, Maserati and Lamborghini to name a
few...  

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jon Tydda" <jon at tydda.plus.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, December 2, 2013 6:37:53 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Way OT but I love you people so I'm	posing	the
question.

I'd go to Italy. I've been itching to go for years, but never quite managed
it. Poland too, to see where my grandfather came from, meet some of the
family (it's where my surname is from, for those who were wondering). I have
family in Italy too on my grandmother's side. It'd be great to see either
place, but I think there's a lot more of the historical stuff in Italy that
I'd be interested in.


Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: 02 December 2013 12:25
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Way OT but I love you people so I'm posing the
question.

London is definitely one of the greatest cities but we kind of partial to
Paris too....and for smaller cities there is Lisbon and Seville. Tokyo is
grand but Kyoto is one of our favourites.

Cities in the future to see will be Rome (and much of Italy), Shanghai,
Copenhagen, Saint Petersburg, Rio de Janeiro...   

We are having our official fortieth wedding anniversary next year and if all
the house renovations are completed...who knows where we will be going.
   
Jim 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Brawley" <peter.brawley at earthlink.net>
To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2013 9:22:21 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Way OT but I love you people so I'm posing the
question.

On 2013-11-30 11:06 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote:
> I just landed a contract that will pay me enough for two weeks 
> anywhere. My first and second choices are Havana and London. But I'm 
> reaching out to my friends on this list and asking, Where would you 
> choose to go for two weeks? Answers must be a place you have never 
> visited
yet.
>
London, no contest and I'd spend most every evening in the Royal Festival
Hall, Queen Elizabeth, Barbican Centre, Wigmore Hall, Covent Garden,  or a
few West End theatres.

PB
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Dec  3 21:40:29 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2013 20:40:29 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Monsanto are definitely a nasty bunch to play with or
	against
In-Reply-To: <1567964641.81263579.1386128322450.JavaMail.root@cds002>
Message-ID: <1913577047.81264402.1386128429405.JavaMail.root@cds002>

Scientific journal bows to Monsanto over anti-GMO study

http://rt.com/op-edge/monsanto-gmo-studies-reports-588/

Jim

From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Tue Dec  3 21:55:57 2013
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2013 19:55:57 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Way OT but I love you people so I'm	posing	the
	question.
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References: <708475874.81236154.1386126028381.JavaMail.root@cds002>
Message-ID: <F890A643-1DE7-4560-8546-077D5E72CE1A@phulse.com>

From a radio show I was listening to, I think they said that Norways government has a policy of selling all the natural gas and oil and putting all the profits into social system and also into a nice big fat bank account, so that they can use the money wisely in the future. They didn't want to suffer the "Resource curse" that many countries seem to suffer when they suddenly strike rich.

Wikipedia has a good article about it:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resource_curse

- Hans


On Dec 3, 2013, at 7:00 PM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> It is interesting to note that Norway, a country who actually products and subsequently sells oil has the highest car fuel prices while Saudi Arabia has the lowest?
> 
> Jim 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Hans-Christian Andersen" <hans.andersen at phulse.com>
> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 3, 2013 2:32:36 PM
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Way OT but I love you people so I'm	posing	the	question.
> 
> I?m only surprised Denmark wasn?t among the top 3 most expensive countries.
> 
> We?re number 5! We?re number 5! (or 6, if you buy Diesel)
> 
> - Hans
> 
> 
> On Dec 3, 2013, at 1:59 PM, Jon Tydda <jon at tydda.plus.com> wrote:
> 
>> Well I'm stunned. You've managed to find somewhere that petrol is more
>> expensive than the UK!
>> 
>> I found this site: http://www.fuel-prices-europe.info/ which has some nice
>> comparisons in Euros and the local currency... so I'm paying about double
>> what people in the US are paying.
>> 
>> 
>> Jon
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov
>> Shamil
>> Sent: 02 December 2013 22:21
>> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Way OT but I love you people so I'm posing the
>> question.
>> 
>> Hi Jim --
>> 
>> I have been in the the East-South Italy Salento region this summer - I can't
>> say prices somehow differ (/are lower than) from Paris or Amsterdam or Ghent
>> or Brussels, where I have been last year November. And gasoline is very
>> expensive - 1.7x EURO in Italy ( http://www.energy.eu/ ) ), even here in
>> Russia it's now "just" ~1USD+/liter. Well, ordinary everyday good wine costs
>> in Italy are low (up to 3EURO per 0.7l bottle) as well as prices for some
>> Italian local fruits and vegetables but that's it AFAIHF.
>> 
>> Thank you.
>> 
>> -- Shamil
>> 
>> 
>> Monday, December  2, 2013 12:25 PM -07:00 from Jim Lawrence
>> <accessd at shaw.ca>:
>>> Italy would definitely be a good place to go...considering Italians have
>> been running things for around 3000 years, first the Roman Empire and then
>> the Roman Catholic church...so they have hordes of culture from everywhere.
>> Then there is a bit of a recession going on in the country so the prices
>> might also be excellent.
>>> 
>>> ...And anyone that can build the Ferrari, Maserati and Lamborghini to name
>> a few... 
>>> 
>>> Jim
>> <<< skipped >>>
>>> 
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From jbartow at winhaven.net  Tue Dec  3 23:19:45 2013
From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2013 23:19:45 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] USE THE OT LIST PEOPLE!
Message-ID: <000301cef0b0$72592c00$570b8400$@winhaven.net>

We have an OT list for a purpose. Please use it and stop posting OT subjects
here.


From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Wed Dec  4 09:51:02 2013
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2013 10:51:02 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Monsanto are definitely a nasty bunch to play with
	or against
In-Reply-To: <1913577047.81264402.1386128429405.JavaMail.root@cds002>
References: <1567964641.81263579.1386128322450.JavaMail.root@cds002>
	<1913577047.81264402.1386128429405.JavaMail.root@cds002>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1iqOqpwRRm1mmhqqmZVGCrguSPDjLFBNaq_D7Vbvftdkw@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for pointing this out, Jim. I admit to be being a long-time Monsanto
hater. In fact, I find that the whole idea of copyrighting Genetically
Modified Life Forms to be totally egregious, and I don't know who is the
right player to stop this abomination -- maybe the UN? I don't know. But I
do feel that this is Wrong Wrong Wrong.

And finally, I don't believe in a God, but on the other hand whenever I
experience an orgasm, my typical outcry is "Oh God".



On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 10:40 PM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> Scientific journal bows to Monsanto over anti-GMO study
>
> http://rt.com/op-edge/monsanto-gmo-studies-reports-588/
>
> Jim
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From carbonnb at gmail.com  Wed Dec  4 10:12:03 2013
From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2013 11:12:03 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Monsanto are definitely a nasty bunch to play with
	or against
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This thread belongs on OT, not here. As John requested, please stop
posting OT content on this list.

On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 10:51 AM, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks for pointing this out, Jim. I admit to be being a long-time Monsanto
> hater. In fact, I find that the whole idea of copyrighting Genetically
> Modified Life Forms to be totally egregious, and I don't know who is the
> right player to stop this abomination -- maybe the UN? I don't know. But I
> do feel that this is Wrong Wrong Wrong.
>
> And finally, I don't believe in a God, but on the other hand whenever I
> experience an orgasm, my typical outcry is "Oh God".
>
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 10:40 PM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
>
>> Scientific journal bows to Monsanto over anti-GMO study
>>
>> http://rt.com/op-edge/monsanto-gmo-studies-reports-588/
>>
>> Jim
>> _______________________________________________
>> dba-Tech mailing list
>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Arthur
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-- 
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Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well
preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out,
shouting "What a great ride!"

From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Wed Dec  4 10:21:41 2013
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2013 11:21:41 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Way OT but I love you people so I'm posing the
	question.
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Jim,

I can only speak from personal experience, and that is not much evidence.
But something strange has happened to me in the past year. A bit of
back-story first. I am 66 years old and have previously declared myself
semi-retired. I love in Canada. My last three contracts have all been with
firms in the USA. Granted that the USA comprises about 90% of the
continental economy, this is hardly a position on which to bet. But the
point I am trying to make here is that I have way better luck with
obtaining contracts with American firms than Canadian. I cannot explain why
that is. One of the last three derive from a book I wrote about MySQL. The
other two happened because of my involvement in AccessD and DbaSQL.

You should understand that this is not a complaint.I just find it
interesting that Americans are interested in hiring me but Canadians are
not. I have no idea why this is the case.


On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 10:55 PM, Hans-Christian Andersen <
hans.andersen at phulse.com> wrote:

> From a radio show I was listening to, I think they said that Norways
> government has a policy of selling all the natural gas and oil and putting
> all the profits into social system and also into a nice big fat bank
> account, so that they can use the money wisely in the future. They didn't
> want to suffer the "Resource curse" that many countries seem to suffer when
> they suddenly strike rich.
>
> Wikipedia has a good article about it:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resource_curse
>
> - Hans
>
>
> On Dec 3, 2013, at 7:00 PM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
>
> > It is interesting to note that Norway, a country who actually products
> and subsequently sells oil has the highest car fuel prices while Saudi
> Arabia has the lowest?
> >
> > Jim
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Hans-Christian Andersen" <hans.andersen at phulse.com>
> > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <
> dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, December 3, 2013 2:32:36 PM
> > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Way OT but I love you people so I'm   posing
>  the     question.
> >
> > I?m only surprised Denmark wasn?t among the top 3 most expensive
> countries.
> >
> > We?re number 5! We?re number 5! (or 6, if you buy Diesel)
> >
> > - Hans
> >
> >
> > On Dec 3, 2013, at 1:59 PM, Jon Tydda <jon at tydda.plus.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Well I'm stunned. You've managed to find somewhere that petrol is more
> >> expensive than the UK!
> >>
> >> I found this site: http://www.fuel-prices-europe.info/ which has some
> nice
> >> comparisons in Euros and the local currency... so I'm paying about
> double
> >> what people in the US are paying.
> >>
> >>
> >> Jon
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> >> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Salakhetdinov
> >> Shamil
> >> Sent: 02 December 2013 22:21
> >> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> >> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Way OT but I love you people so I'm posing the
> >> question.
> >>
> >> Hi Jim --
> >>
> >> I have been in the the East-South Italy Salento region this summer - I
> can't
> >> say prices somehow differ (/are lower than) from Paris or Amsterdam or
> Ghent
> >> or Brussels, where I have been last year November. And gasoline is very
> >> expensive - 1.7x EURO in Italy ( http://www.energy.eu/ ) ), even here
> in
> >> Russia it's now "just" ~1USD+/liter. Well, ordinary everyday good wine
> costs
> >> in Italy are low (up to 3EURO per 0.7l bottle) as well as prices for
> some
> >> Italian local fruits and vegetables but that's it AFAIHF.
> >>
> >> Thank you.
> >>
> >> -- Shamil
> >>
> >>
> >> Monday, December  2, 2013 12:25 PM -07:00 from Jim Lawrence
> >> <accessd at shaw.ca>:
> >>> Italy would definitely be a good place to go...considering Italians
> have
> >> been running things for around 3000 years, first the Roman Empire and
> then
> >> the Roman Catholic church...so they have hordes of culture from
> everywhere.
> >> Then there is a bit of a recession going on in the country so the prices
> >> might also be excellent.
> >>>
> >>> ...And anyone that can build the Ferrari, Maserati and Lamborghini to
> name
> >> a few...
> >>>
> >>> Jim
> >> <<< skipped >>>
> >>>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> dba-Tech mailing list
> >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
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> >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
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> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Wed Dec  4 11:15:54 2013
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2013 09:15:54 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Way OT but I love you people so I'm posing
	thequestion.
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Arthur:

Here's my observations about Canada vs. the U.S. when you're trying to do
business:

All the time I was marketing my software in Canada I sold only one system
there in spite of many leads and much conversation.  I found that Canadians
will study the smallest decision to death and in the end decide not to make
a decision.  They seem very bureaucratic - and very unwilling to take risks,
even small ones.

Whereas, the typical American company will tend to fit the resources needed
to make a decision to the size of the product or service being considered,
make a decision and get on with the job.

Cultural difference I assume, mediated I think by the more Socialist
orientation of Canada's political culture - which tends to dissociate one's
activities from the efficiency or profitability of those activities and
evaluate them more along the lines of whether or not they have satisfied
some standard operating procedure.

My product cost in the neighborhood of $3500 and after two conversations
with a Canadian company I usually took them off my follow-up list.  And
never completed the RFPs they would send with 5 pages of questions obviously
crafted by a mainframe systems analyst, 80% of which was irrelevant to my
product.  Because I knew that the evaluators were more interested in
satisfying their superiors that they had done a thorough job than actually
finding a product that would solve their problem.  

My conclusion is that Canada has oil, coal, timber, and other natural
resources which support its people at a level of affluence that allows them
the luxury of this mindset.  

Generalizations, I know, but based on 30 years of trying to conclude any
transaction with a Canadian company.  Perhaps you are running into the same
thing.

Rocky



-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2013 8:22 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Way OT but I love you people so I'm posing
thequestion.

Jim,

I can only speak from personal experience, and that is not much evidence.
But something strange has happened to me in the past year. A bit of
back-story first. I am 66 years old and have previously declared myself
semi-retired. I love in Canada. My last three contracts have all been with
firms in the USA. Granted that the USA comprises about 90% of the
continental economy, this is hardly a position on which to bet. But the
point I am trying to make here is that I have way better luck with obtaining
contracts with American firms than Canadian. I cannot explain why that is.
One of the last three derive from a book I wrote about MySQL. The other two
happened because of my involvement in AccessD and DbaSQL.

You should understand that this is not a complaint.I just find it
interesting that Americans are interested in hiring me but Canadians are
not. I have no idea why this is the case.


On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 10:55 PM, Hans-Christian Andersen <
hans.andersen at phulse.com> wrote:

> From a radio show I was listening to, I think they said that Norways 
> government has a policy of selling all the natural gas and oil and 
> putting all the profits into social system and also into a nice big 
> fat bank account, so that they can use the money wisely in the future. 
> They didn't want to suffer the "Resource curse" that many countries 
> seem to suffer when they suddenly strike rich.
>
> Wikipedia has a good article about it:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resource_curse
>
> - Hans
>
>
> On Dec 3, 2013, at 7:00 PM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
>
> > It is interesting to note that Norway, a country who actually 
> > products
> and subsequently sells oil has the highest car fuel prices while Saudi 
> Arabia has the lowest?
> >
> > Jim
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Hans-Christian Andersen" <hans.andersen at phulse.com>
> > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <
> dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, December 3, 2013 2:32:36 PM
> > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Way OT but I love you people so I'm   posing
>  the     question.
> >
> > I'm only surprised Denmark wasn't among the top 3 most expensive
> countries.
> >
> > We're number 5! We're number 5! (or 6, if you buy Diesel)
> >
> > - Hans
> >
> >
> > On Dec 3, 2013, at 1:59 PM, Jon Tydda <jon at tydda.plus.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Well I'm stunned. You've managed to find somewhere that petrol is 
> >> more expensive than the UK!
> >>
> >> I found this site: http://www.fuel-prices-europe.info/ which has 
> >> some
> nice
> >> comparisons in Euros and the local currency... so I'm paying about
> double
> >> what people in the US are paying.
> >>
> >>
> >> Jon
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> >> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Salakhetdinov
> >> Shamil
> >> Sent: 02 December 2013 22:21
> >> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> >> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Way OT but I love you people so I'm posing 
> >> the question.
> >>
> >> Hi Jim --
> >>
> >> I have been in the the East-South Italy Salento region this summer 
> >> - I
> can't
> >> say prices somehow differ (/are lower than) from Paris or Amsterdam 
> >> or
> Ghent
> >> or Brussels, where I have been last year November. And gasoline is 
> >> very expensive - 1.7x EURO in Italy ( http://www.energy.eu/ ) ), 
> >> even here
> in
> >> Russia it's now "just" ~1USD+/liter. Well, ordinary everyday good 
> >> wine
> costs
> >> in Italy are low (up to 3EURO per 0.7l bottle) as well as prices 
> >> for
> some
> >> Italian local fruits and vegetables but that's it AFAIHF.
> >>
> >> Thank you.
> >>
> >> -- Shamil
> >>
> >>
> >> Monday, December  2, 2013 12:25 PM -07:00 from Jim Lawrence
> >> <accessd at shaw.ca>:
> >>> Italy would definitely be a good place to go...considering 
> >>> Italians
> have
> >> been running things for around 3000 years, first the Roman Empire 
> >> and
> then
> >> the Roman Catholic church...so they have hordes of culture from
> everywhere.
> >> Then there is a bit of a recession going on in the country so the 
> >> prices might also be excellent.
> >>>
> >>> ...And anyone that can build the Ferrari, Maserati and Lamborghini 
> >>> to
> name
> >> a few...
> >>>
> >>> Jim
> >> <<< skipped >>>
> >>>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> dba-Tech mailing list
> >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> dba-Tech mailing list
> >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > dba-Tech mailing list
> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > dba-Tech mailing list
> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
> _______________________________________________
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>



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From peter.brawley at earthlink.net  Wed Dec  4 13:42:06 2013
From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley)
Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2013 13:42:06 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Way OT but I love you people so I'm posing
	thequestion.
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On 2013-12-04 11:15 AM, Rocky Smolin wrote:
> Arthur:
>
> Here's my observations about Canada vs. the U.S. when you're trying to do
> business:
>
> All the time I was marketing my software in Canada I sold only one system
> there in spite of many leads and much conversation.  I found that Canadians
> will study the smallest decision to death and in the end decide not to make
> a decision.  They seem very bureaucratic - and very unwilling to take risks,
> even small ones.
>
> Whereas, the typical American company will tend to fit the resources needed
> to make a decision to the size of the product or service being considered,
> make a decision and get on with the job.
>
> Cultural difference I assume, mediated I think by the more Socialist
> orientation of Canada's political culture - which tends to dissociate one's
> activities from the efficiency or profitability of those activities and
> evaluate them more along the lines of whether or not they have satisfied
> some standard operating procedure.

Why the capital-S in 'socialist'?

Over the 25 years or so that Arthur & I have been selling software tools 
& books, Canadian sales have always been way less than the 9% of US 
sales you'd expect simply from the 10-1 population ratio. That's been so 
whether sales were based in Canada or in the US. Canadian sales of our 
current book have been just 3% of the US total.

Ditto for free, open source downloads.

Why would being a bit more socialist, cautious, communitarian, 
cooperative, traditional & loyalist than USAmericans discourage 
Canadians from downloading free software?

Why would being a bit more socialist, communitarian, cooperative, 
traditional & loyalist than USAmericans discourage Canadians from buying 
books? On the whole, Canadians read more than USAmericans, not less. 
Your explanation for your Canadian sales failures doesn't hold water.

Here's a plausible alternative: your sales pitch didn't persuade quite 
well enough, but rather than just shut you out, your polite Canadian 
interlocutors thought to give you another chance.

>
> My product cost in the neighborhood of $3500 and after two conversations
> with a Canadian company I usually took them off my follow-up list.  And
> never completed the RFPs they would send with 5 pages of questions obviously
> crafted by a mainframe systems analyst, 80% of which was irrelevant to my
> product.  Because I knew that the evaluators were more interested in
> satisfying their superiors that they had done a thorough job than actually
> finding a product that would solve their problem.
>
> My conclusion is that Canada has oil, coal, timber, and other natural
> resources which support its people at a level of affluence that allows them
> the luxury of this mindset.
>
> Generalizations, I know,

More like non sequiturs.

PB

-----

> but based on 30 years of trying to conclude any
> transaction with a Canadian company.  Perhaps you are running into the same
> thing.
>
> Rocky
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
> Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2013 8:22 AM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Way OT but I love you people so I'm posing
> thequestion.
>
> Jim,
>
> I can only speak from personal experience, and that is not much evidence.
> But something strange has happened to me in the past year. A bit of
> back-story first. I am 66 years old and have previously declared myself
> semi-retired. I love in Canada. My last three contracts have all been with
> firms in the USA. Granted that the USA comprises about 90% of the
> continental economy, this is hardly a position on which to bet. But the
> point I am trying to make here is that I have way better luck with obtaining
> contracts with American firms than Canadian. I cannot explain why that is.
> One of the last three derive from a book I wrote about MySQL. The other two
> happened because of my involvement in AccessD and DbaSQL.
>
> You should understand that this is not a complaint.I just find it
> interesting that Americans are interested in hiring me but Canadians are
> not. I have no idea why this is the case.
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 10:55 PM, Hans-Christian Andersen <
> hans.andersen at phulse.com> wrote:
>
>>  From a radio show I was listening to, I think they said that Norways
>> government has a policy of selling all the natural gas and oil and
>> putting all the profits into social system and also into a nice big
>> fat bank account, so that they can use the money wisely in the future.
>> They didn't want to suffer the "Resource curse" that many countries
>> seem to suffer when they suddenly strike rich.
>>
>> Wikipedia has a good article about it:
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resource_curse
>>
>> - Hans
>>
>>
>> On Dec 3, 2013, at 7:00 PM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
>>
>>> It is interesting to note that Norway, a country who actually
>>> products
>> and subsequently sells oil has the highest car fuel prices while Saudi
>> Arabia has the lowest?
>>> Jim
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Hans-Christian Andersen" <hans.andersen at phulse.com>
>>> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <
>> dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 3, 2013 2:32:36 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Way OT but I love you people so I'm   posing
>>   the     question.
>>> I'm only surprised Denmark wasn't among the top 3 most expensive
>> countries.
>>> We're number 5! We're number 5! (or 6, if you buy Diesel)
>>>
>>> - Hans
>>>
>>>
>>> On Dec 3, 2013, at 1:59 PM, Jon Tydda <jon at tydda.plus.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Well I'm stunned. You've managed to find somewhere that petrol is
>>>> more expensive than the UK!
>>>>
>>>> I found this site: http://www.fuel-prices-europe.info/ which has
>>>> some
>> nice
>>>> comparisons in Euros and the local currency... so I'm paying about
>> double
>>>> what people in the US are paying.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Jon
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
>> Salakhetdinov
>>>> Shamil
>>>> Sent: 02 December 2013 22:21
>>>> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>>>> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Way OT but I love you people so I'm posing
>>>> the question.
>>>>
>>>> Hi Jim --
>>>>
>>>> I have been in the the East-South Italy Salento region this summer
>>>> - I
>> can't
>>>> say prices somehow differ (/are lower than) from Paris or Amsterdam
>>>> or
>> Ghent
>>>> or Brussels, where I have been last year November. And gasoline is
>>>> very expensive - 1.7x EURO in Italy ( http://www.energy.eu/ ) ),
>>>> even here
>> in
>>>> Russia it's now "just" ~1USD+/liter. Well, ordinary everyday good
>>>> wine
>> costs
>>>> in Italy are low (up to 3EURO per 0.7l bottle) as well as prices
>>>> for
>> some
>>>> Italian local fruits and vegetables but that's it AFAIHF.
>>>>
>>>> Thank you.
>>>>
>>>> -- Shamil
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Monday, December  2, 2013 12:25 PM -07:00 from Jim Lawrence
>>>> <accessd at shaw.ca>:
>>>>> Italy would definitely be a good place to go...considering
>>>>> Italians
>> have
>>>> been running things for around 3000 years, first the Roman Empire
>>>> and
>> then
>>>> the Roman Catholic church...so they have hordes of culture from
>> everywhere.
>>>> Then there is a bit of a recession going on in the country so the
>>>> prices might also be excellent.
>>>>> ...And anyone that can build the Ferrari, Maserati and Lamborghini
>>>>> to
>> name
>>>> a few...
>>>>> Jim
>>>> <<< skipped >>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> dba-Tech mailing list
>>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Wed Dec  4 14:44:17 2013
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2013 06:44:17 +1000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Free MacWindows?Linux development Tool
In-Reply-To: <529F858E.5000200@earthlink.net>
References: <708475874.81236154.1386126028381.JavaMail.root@cds002>,
	<BF62AA292F0E4A9792639CD5565E2D94@HAL9007>,
	<529F858E.5000200@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <529F9421.4404.64EFE3AC@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Just received this from Basic4Android.  Haven't downloaded it yet but will be doing so soon:

<quote>
Hi,
I'm happy to release a new development tool, named B4J.

B4J is a development tool, similar to Basic4android that allows you to
develop Windows, Mac and Linux apps.

You can download B4J here: http://www.basic4ppc.com/b4j/

B4J is free for both personal usage and commercial usage.

</quote>


>From the website:
FAQ
Q: Is B4J completely free, including for commercial purposes?
A: Yes.
Q: What are the requirements for UI apps developers with B4J?
A: B4J UI apps depend on Java FX. Java FX is part of Java JRE 7 (build 6+). B4J UI apps 
will run on Windows, Mac and Linux computers.
Q: Which file should be distributed?
A: When you compile your project in Release mode, the complete app is packaged in a 
single jar file under the Objects folder. You should distribute this jar file.
Q: Can I reuse Basic4android code with B4J?
A: Most of the non-UI code can be reused. See this tutorial for more information


And from the first tutorial:

B4J development tool is similar to Basic4android. The language and IDE are mostly identical.

The APIs (methods, keywords and libraries) are identical in some cases and different in other 
cases.

I converted existing frameworks such as DBUtils, HttpUtils2, DateUtils, RDC, 
ImageDownloader and others from B4A to B4J. It was simpler than I expected it to be. In 
some cases no changes were required at all.

Modules

There are two types of modules in B4J. Code modules and classes. Classes are identical to 
B4A classes.
Code modules are similar to B4A modules however they are more powerful as they can 
handle events.

A code module can be considered as a class with exactly one instance (such instances are 
sometimes called singletons or static classes). Activities and Services are not required in 
B4J. You should instead use code modules. Note that when you add an existing B4A activity 
or service to B4J project it will be converted to a code module.

CallSub is mostly not required in B4J as you can directly call methods of other classes or 
code modules.

Generally speaking it is simpler to develop with B4J as you do not need to deal with the 
activities (and services) life cycle. This also means that there is no such concept as "activity 
object".

UI

The main difference is in the UI. B4J is based on JavaFX UI and Basic4android is based on 
the native Android UI..

From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Wed Dec  4 15:32:03 2013
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2013 13:32:03 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Way OT but I love you people so I'm
	posingthequestion.
In-Reply-To: <529F858E.5000200@earthlink.net>
References: <708475874.81236154.1386126028381.JavaMail.root@cds002><F890A643-1DE7-4560-8546-077D5E72CE1A@phulse.com>	<CAEPJO1iXN3kdSJ76M_mhaFK_GQ=FO0=GZM9fmrFsvkFh2-dgRw@mail.gmail.com><BF62AA292F0E4A9792639CD5565E2D94@HAL9007>
	<529F858E.5000200@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <08A4B4979879496F8D2347E98C52C36B@HAL9007>

Sorry - small s socialist. Or socialistic.

Don't be offended.  It's only my personal observation based on my anecdotal
experience.  I have found confirmation among other people down here.  But
that doesn't mean anything.  Not a large enough sample to draw a statistical
conclusion.

R




-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Peter Brawley
Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2013 11:42 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Way OT but I love you people so I'm
posingthequestion.


On 2013-12-04 11:15 AM, Rocky Smolin wrote:
> Arthur:
>
> Here's my observations about Canada vs. the U.S. when you're trying to 
> do
> business:
>
> All the time I was marketing my software in Canada I sold only one 
> system there in spite of many leads and much conversation.  I found 
> that Canadians will study the smallest decision to death and in the 
> end decide not to make a decision.  They seem very bureaucratic - and 
> very unwilling to take risks, even small ones.
>
> Whereas, the typical American company will tend to fit the resources 
> needed to make a decision to the size of the product or service being 
> considered, make a decision and get on with the job.
>
> Cultural difference I assume, mediated I think by the more Socialist 
> orientation of Canada's political culture - which tends to dissociate 
> one's activities from the efficiency or profitability of those 
> activities and evaluate them more along the lines of whether or not 
> they have satisfied some standard operating procedure.

Why the capital-S in 'socialist'?

Over the 25 years or so that Arthur & I have been selling software tools &
books, Canadian sales have always been way less than the 9% of US sales
you'd expect simply from the 10-1 population ratio. That's been so whether
sales were based in Canada or in the US. Canadian sales of our current book
have been just 3% of the US total.

Ditto for free, open source downloads.

Why would being a bit more socialist, cautious, communitarian, cooperative,
traditional & loyalist than USAmericans discourage Canadians from
downloading free software?

Why would being a bit more socialist, communitarian, cooperative,
traditional & loyalist than USAmericans discourage Canadians from buying
books? On the whole, Canadians read more than USAmericans, not less. 
Your explanation for your Canadian sales failures doesn't hold water.

Here's a plausible alternative: your sales pitch didn't persuade quite well
enough, but rather than just shut you out, your polite Canadian
interlocutors thought to give you another chance.

>
> My product cost in the neighborhood of $3500 and after two conversations
> with a Canadian company I usually took them off my follow-up list.  And
> never completed the RFPs they would send with 5 pages of questions
obviously
> crafted by a mainframe systems analyst, 80% of which was irrelevant to my
> product.  Because I knew that the evaluators were more interested in
> satisfying their superiors that they had done a thorough job than actually
> finding a product that would solve their problem.
>
> My conclusion is that Canada has oil, coal, timber, and other natural
> resources which support its people at a level of affluence that allows
them
> the luxury of this mindset.
>
> Generalizations, I know,

More like non sequiturs.

PB

-----

> but based on 30 years of trying to conclude any
> transaction with a Canadian company.  Perhaps you are running into the
same
> thing.
>
> Rocky
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
> Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2013 8:22 AM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Way OT but I love you people so I'm posing
> thequestion.
>
> Jim,
>
> I can only speak from personal experience, and that is not much evidence.
> But something strange has happened to me in the past year. A bit of
> back-story first. I am 66 years old and have previously declared myself
> semi-retired. I love in Canada. My last three contracts have all been with
> firms in the USA. Granted that the USA comprises about 90% of the
> continental economy, this is hardly a position on which to bet. But the
> point I am trying to make here is that I have way better luck with
obtaining
> contracts with American firms than Canadian. I cannot explain why that is.
> One of the last three derive from a book I wrote about MySQL. The other
two
> happened because of my involvement in AccessD and DbaSQL.
>
> You should understand that this is not a complaint.I just find it
> interesting that Americans are interested in hiring me but Canadians are
> not. I have no idea why this is the case.
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 10:55 PM, Hans-Christian Andersen <
> hans.andersen at phulse.com> wrote:
>
>>  From a radio show I was listening to, I think they said that Norways
>> government has a policy of selling all the natural gas and oil and
>> putting all the profits into social system and also into a nice big
>> fat bank account, so that they can use the money wisely in the future.
>> They didn't want to suffer the "Resource curse" that many countries
>> seem to suffer when they suddenly strike rich.
>>
>> Wikipedia has a good article about it:
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resource_curse
>>
>> - Hans
>>
>>
>> On Dec 3, 2013, at 7:00 PM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
>>
>>> It is interesting to note that Norway, a country who actually
>>> products
>> and subsequently sells oil has the highest car fuel prices while Saudi
>> Arabia has the lowest?
>>> Jim
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Hans-Christian Andersen" <hans.andersen at phulse.com>
>>> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <
>> dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 3, 2013 2:32:36 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Way OT but I love you people so I'm   posing
>>   the     question.
>>> I'm only surprised Denmark wasn't among the top 3 most expensive
>> countries.
>>> We're number 5! We're number 5! (or 6, if you buy Diesel)
>>>
>>> - Hans
>>>
>>>
>>> On Dec 3, 2013, at 1:59 PM, Jon Tydda <jon at tydda.plus.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Well I'm stunned. You've managed to find somewhere that petrol is
>>>> more expensive than the UK!
>>>>
>>>> I found this site: http://www.fuel-prices-europe.info/ which has
>>>> some
>> nice
>>>> comparisons in Euros and the local currency... so I'm paying about
>> double
>>>> what people in the US are paying.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Jon
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
>> Salakhetdinov
>>>> Shamil
>>>> Sent: 02 December 2013 22:21
>>>> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>>>> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Way OT but I love you people so I'm posing
>>>> the question.
>>>>
>>>> Hi Jim --
>>>>
>>>> I have been in the the East-South Italy Salento region this summer
>>>> - I
>> can't
>>>> say prices somehow differ (/are lower than) from Paris or Amsterdam
>>>> or
>> Ghent
>>>> or Brussels, where I have been last year November. And gasoline is
>>>> very expensive - 1.7x EURO in Italy ( http://www.energy.eu/ ) ),
>>>> even here
>> in
>>>> Russia it's now "just" ~1USD+/liter. Well, ordinary everyday good
>>>> wine
>> costs
>>>> in Italy are low (up to 3EURO per 0.7l bottle) as well as prices
>>>> for
>> some
>>>> Italian local fruits and vegetables but that's it AFAIHF.
>>>>
>>>> Thank you.
>>>>
>>>> -- Shamil
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Monday, December  2, 2013 12:25 PM -07:00 from Jim Lawrence
>>>> <accessd at shaw.ca>:
>>>>> Italy would definitely be a good place to go...considering
>>>>> Italians
>> have
>>>> been running things for around 3000 years, first the Roman Empire
>>>> and
>> then
>>>> the Roman Catholic church...so they have hordes of culture from
>> everywhere.
>>>> Then there is a bit of a recession going on in the country so the
>>>> prices might also be excellent.
>>>>> ...And anyone that can build the Ferrari, Maserati and Lamborghini
>>>>> to
>> name
>>>> a few...
>>>>> Jim
>>>> <<< skipped >>>
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Dec  4 17:58:40 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2013 16:58:40 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Way OT but I love you people so
	I'm	posingthequestion.
In-Reply-To: <08A4B4979879496F8D2347E98C52C36B@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <1093219915.82294451.1386201520928.JavaMail.root@cds002>

Canadians are as much small "c" conservatives as they are small "s" socialists, in that they are very cautious and frugal. I think it is as much to do with the climate and in many cases sparse populations. 

The Canadian debt has increased dramatically in the last twenty years but remove housing debt and debt almost disappears..."a penny saved is a penny earned". Another note is that Canadians tend to be stubborn...really stubborn...I think it is also a climate thing. Add stubborn to the other characteristic of "once crossed never forgotten".

(Wrote a paper on, in University on the Canadian psyche, got an "A" as I remember but had to argue a long and hard.) ;-)    

Another point is that the country to the most part is controlled by many giant monopolies. These companies control most assets and if it was not, for the most part, a partial government which has worked as referee between the civilians and corporate interests balancing profits fairly, there would be no country.   

(A friend when he was in University, taking a Business Commerces course wrote a paper similar to above...now he is a strong Libertarian but thinks Ayn Rand was a fool.)
  
In addition to those very admirable qualities, we are also extremely pleasant.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rocky Smolin" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 4, 2013 1:32:03 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Way OT but I love you people so I'm	posingthequestion.

Sorry - small s socialist. Or socialistic.

Don't be offended.  It's only my personal observation based on my anecdotal
experience.  I have found confirmation among other people down here.  But
that doesn't mean anything.  Not a large enough sample to draw a statistical
conclusion.

R




-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Peter Brawley
Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2013 11:42 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Way OT but I love you people so I'm
posingthequestion.


On 2013-12-04 11:15 AM, Rocky Smolin wrote:
> Arthur:
>
> Here's my observations about Canada vs. the U.S. when you're trying to 
> do
> business:
>
> All the time I was marketing my software in Canada I sold only one 
> system there in spite of many leads and much conversation.  I found 
> that Canadians will study the smallest decision to death and in the 
> end decide not to make a decision.  They seem very bureaucratic - and 
> very unwilling to take risks, even small ones.
>
> Whereas, the typical American company will tend to fit the resources 
> needed to make a decision to the size of the product or service being 
> considered, make a decision and get on with the job.
>
> Cultural difference I assume, mediated I think by the more Socialist 
> orientation of Canada's political culture - which tends to dissociate 
> one's activities from the efficiency or profitability of those 
> activities and evaluate them more along the lines of whether or not 
> they have satisfied some standard operating procedure.

Why the capital-S in 'socialist'?

Over the 25 years or so that Arthur & I have been selling software tools &
books, Canadian sales have always been way less than the 9% of US sales
you'd expect simply from the 10-1 population ratio. That's been so whether
sales were based in Canada or in the US. Canadian sales of our current book
have been just 3% of the US total.

Ditto for free, open source downloads.

Why would being a bit more socialist, cautious, communitarian, cooperative,
traditional & loyalist than USAmericans discourage Canadians from
downloading free software?

Why would being a bit more socialist, communitarian, cooperative,
traditional & loyalist than USAmericans discourage Canadians from buying
books? On the whole, Canadians read more than USAmericans, not less. 
Your explanation for your Canadian sales failures doesn't hold water.

Here's a plausible alternative: your sales pitch didn't persuade quite well
enough, but rather than just shut you out, your polite Canadian
interlocutors thought to give you another chance.

>
> My product cost in the neighborhood of $3500 and after two conversations
> with a Canadian company I usually took them off my follow-up list.  And
> never completed the RFPs they would send with 5 pages of questions
obviously
> crafted by a mainframe systems analyst, 80% of which was irrelevant to my
> product.  Because I knew that the evaluators were more interested in
> satisfying their superiors that they had done a thorough job than actually
> finding a product that would solve their problem.
>
> My conclusion is that Canada has oil, coal, timber, and other natural
> resources which support its people at a level of affluence that allows
them
> the luxury of this mindset.
>
> Generalizations, I know,

More like non sequiturs.

PB

-----

> but based on 30 years of trying to conclude any
> transaction with a Canadian company.  Perhaps you are running into the
same
> thing.
>
> Rocky
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
> Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2013 8:22 AM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Way OT but I love you people so I'm posing
> thequestion.
>
> Jim,
>
> I can only speak from personal experience, and that is not much evidence.
> But something strange has happened to me in the past year. A bit of
> back-story first. I am 66 years old and have previously declared myself
> semi-retired. I love in Canada. My last three contracts have all been with
> firms in the USA. Granted that the USA comprises about 90% of the
> continental economy, this is hardly a position on which to bet. But the
> point I am trying to make here is that I have way better luck with
obtaining
> contracts with American firms than Canadian. I cannot explain why that is.
> One of the last three derive from a book I wrote about MySQL. The other
two
> happened because of my involvement in AccessD and DbaSQL.
>
> You should understand that this is not a complaint.I just find it
> interesting that Americans are interested in hiring me but Canadians are
> not. I have no idea why this is the case.
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 10:55 PM, Hans-Christian Andersen <
> hans.andersen at phulse.com> wrote:
>
>>  From a radio show I was listening to, I think they said that Norways
>> government has a policy of selling all the natural gas and oil and
>> putting all the profits into social system and also into a nice big
>> fat bank account, so that they can use the money wisely in the future.
>> They didn't want to suffer the "Resource curse" that many countries
>> seem to suffer when they suddenly strike rich.
>>
>> Wikipedia has a good article about it:
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resource_curse
>>
>> - Hans
>>
>>
>> On Dec 3, 2013, at 7:00 PM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
>>
>>> It is interesting to note that Norway, a country who actually
>>> products
>> and subsequently sells oil has the highest car fuel prices while Saudi
>> Arabia has the lowest?
>>> Jim
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Hans-Christian Andersen" <hans.andersen at phulse.com>
>>> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <
>> dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 3, 2013 2:32:36 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Way OT but I love you people so I'm   posing
>>   the     question.
>>> I'm only surprised Denmark wasn't among the top 3 most expensive
>> countries.
>>> We're number 5! We're number 5! (or 6, if you buy Diesel)
>>>
>>> - Hans
>>>
>>>
>>> On Dec 3, 2013, at 1:59 PM, Jon Tydda <jon at tydda.plus.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Well I'm stunned. You've managed to find somewhere that petrol is
>>>> more expensive than the UK!
>>>>
>>>> I found this site: http://www.fuel-prices-europe.info/ which has
>>>> some
>> nice
>>>> comparisons in Euros and the local currency... so I'm paying about
>> double
>>>> what people in the US are paying.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Jon
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
>> Salakhetdinov
>>>> Shamil
>>>> Sent: 02 December 2013 22:21
>>>> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>>>> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Way OT but I love you people so I'm posing
>>>> the question.
>>>>
>>>> Hi Jim --
>>>>
>>>> I have been in the the East-South Italy Salento region this summer
>>>> - I
>> can't
>>>> say prices somehow differ (/are lower than) from Paris or Amsterdam
>>>> or
>> Ghent
>>>> or Brussels, where I have been last year November. And gasoline is
>>>> very expensive - 1.7x EURO in Italy ( http://www.energy.eu/ ) ),
>>>> even here
>> in
>>>> Russia it's now "just" ~1USD+/liter. Well, ordinary everyday good
>>>> wine
>> costs
>>>> in Italy are low (up to 3EURO per 0.7l bottle) as well as prices
>>>> for
>> some
>>>> Italian local fruits and vegetables but that's it AFAIHF.
>>>>
>>>> Thank you.
>>>>
>>>> -- Shamil
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Monday, December  2, 2013 12:25 PM -07:00 from Jim Lawrence
>>>> <accessd at shaw.ca>:
>>>>> Italy would definitely be a good place to go...considering
>>>>> Italians
>> have
>>>> been running things for around 3000 years, first the Roman Empire
>>>> and
>> then
>>>> the Roman Catholic church...so they have hordes of culture from
>> everywhere.
>>>> Then there is a bit of a recession going on in the country so the
>>>> prices might also be excellent.
>>>>> ...And anyone that can build the Ferrari, Maserati and Lamborghini
>>>>> to
>> name
>>>> a few...
>>>>> Jim
>>>> <<< skipped >>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> dba-Tech mailing list
>>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
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From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Wed Dec  4 22:10:48 2013
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2013 20:10:48 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Way OT but I love you people so I'm
	posingthequestion.
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Whats wrong with being a socialist? I find it rather bizarre how that word is thrown around as a slur and usually to mean something more like communism and/or fascism.

- Hans


On Dec 4, 2013, at 1:32 PM, Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:

> Sorry - small s socialist. Or socialistic.
> 
> Don't be offended.  It's only my personal observation based on my anecdotal
> experience.  I have found confirmation among other people down here.  But
> that doesn't mean anything.  Not a large enough sample to draw a statistical
> conclusion.
> 
> R
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Peter Brawley
> Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2013 11:42 AM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Way OT but I love you people so I'm
> posingthequestion.
> 
> 
> On 2013-12-04 11:15 AM, Rocky Smolin wrote:
>> Arthur:
>> 
>> Here's my observations about Canada vs. the U.S. when you're trying to 
>> do
>> business:
>> 
>> All the time I was marketing my software in Canada I sold only one 
>> system there in spite of many leads and much conversation.  I found 
>> that Canadians will study the smallest decision to death and in the 
>> end decide not to make a decision.  They seem very bureaucratic - and 
>> very unwilling to take risks, even small ones.
>> 
>> Whereas, the typical American company will tend to fit the resources 
>> needed to make a decision to the size of the product or service being 
>> considered, make a decision and get on with the job.
>> 
>> Cultural difference I assume, mediated I think by the more Socialist 
>> orientation of Canada's political culture - which tends to dissociate 
>> one's activities from the efficiency or profitability of those 
>> activities and evaluate them more along the lines of whether or not 
>> they have satisfied some standard operating procedure.
> 
> Why the capital-S in 'socialist'?
> 
> Over the 25 years or so that Arthur & I have been selling software tools &
> books, Canadian sales have always been way less than the 9% of US sales
> you'd expect simply from the 10-1 population ratio. That's been so whether
> sales were based in Canada or in the US. Canadian sales of our current book
> have been just 3% of the US total.
> 
> Ditto for free, open source downloads.
> 
> Why would being a bit more socialist, cautious, communitarian, cooperative,
> traditional & loyalist than USAmericans discourage Canadians from
> downloading free software?
> 
> Why would being a bit more socialist, communitarian, cooperative,
> traditional & loyalist than USAmericans discourage Canadians from buying
> books? On the whole, Canadians read more than USAmericans, not less. 
> Your explanation for your Canadian sales failures doesn't hold water.
> 
> Here's a plausible alternative: your sales pitch didn't persuade quite well
> enough, but rather than just shut you out, your polite Canadian
> interlocutors thought to give you another chance.
> 
>> 
>> My product cost in the neighborhood of $3500 and after two conversations
>> with a Canadian company I usually took them off my follow-up list.  And
>> never completed the RFPs they would send with 5 pages of questions
> obviously
>> crafted by a mainframe systems analyst, 80% of which was irrelevant to my
>> product.  Because I knew that the evaluators were more interested in
>> satisfying their superiors that they had done a thorough job than actually
>> finding a product that would solve their problem.
>> 
>> My conclusion is that Canada has oil, coal, timber, and other natural
>> resources which support its people at a level of affluence that allows
> them
>> the luxury of this mindset.
>> 
>> Generalizations, I know,
> 
> More like non sequiturs.
> 
> PB
> 
> -----
> 
>> but based on 30 years of trying to conclude any
>> transaction with a Canadian company.  Perhaps you are running into the
> same
>> thing.
>> 
>> Rocky
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2013 8:22 AM
>> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Way OT but I love you people so I'm posing
>> thequestion.
>> 
>> Jim,
>> 
>> I can only speak from personal experience, and that is not much evidence.
>> But something strange has happened to me in the past year. A bit of
>> back-story first. I am 66 years old and have previously declared myself
>> semi-retired. I love in Canada. My last three contracts have all been with
>> firms in the USA. Granted that the USA comprises about 90% of the
>> continental economy, this is hardly a position on which to bet. But the
>> point I am trying to make here is that I have way better luck with
> obtaining
>> contracts with American firms than Canadian. I cannot explain why that is.
>> One of the last three derive from a book I wrote about MySQL. The other
> two
>> happened because of my involvement in AccessD and DbaSQL.
>> 
>> You should understand that this is not a complaint.I just find it
>> interesting that Americans are interested in hiring me but Canadians are
>> not. I have no idea why this is the case.
>> 
>> 
>> On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 10:55 PM, Hans-Christian Andersen <
>> hans.andersen at phulse.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> From a radio show I was listening to, I think they said that Norways
>>> government has a policy of selling all the natural gas and oil and
>>> putting all the profits into social system and also into a nice big
>>> fat bank account, so that they can use the money wisely in the future.
>>> They didn't want to suffer the "Resource curse" that many countries
>>> seem to suffer when they suddenly strike rich.
>>> 
>>> Wikipedia has a good article about it:
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resource_curse
>>> 
>>> - Hans
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Dec 3, 2013, at 7:00 PM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> It is interesting to note that Norway, a country who actually
>>>> products
>>> and subsequently sells oil has the highest car fuel prices while Saudi
>>> Arabia has the lowest?
>>>> Jim
>>>> 
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Hans-Christian Andersen" <hans.andersen at phulse.com>
>>>> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <
>>> dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 3, 2013 2:32:36 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Way OT but I love you people so I'm   posing
>>>  the     question.
>>>> I'm only surprised Denmark wasn't among the top 3 most expensive
>>> countries.
>>>> We're number 5! We're number 5! (or 6, if you buy Diesel)
>>>> 
>>>> - Hans
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Dec 3, 2013, at 1:59 PM, Jon Tydda <jon at tydda.plus.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Well I'm stunned. You've managed to find somewhere that petrol is
>>>>> more expensive than the UK!
>>>>> 
>>>>> I found this site: http://www.fuel-prices-europe.info/ which has
>>>>> some
>>> nice
>>>>> comparisons in Euros and the local currency... so I'm paying about
>>> double
>>>>> what people in the US are paying.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Jon
>>>>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>>>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
>>> Salakhetdinov
>>>>> Shamil
>>>>> Sent: 02 December 2013 22:21
>>>>> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>>>>> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Way OT but I love you people so I'm posing
>>>>> the question.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Jim --
>>>>> 
>>>>> I have been in the the East-South Italy Salento region this summer
>>>>> - I
>>> can't
>>>>> say prices somehow differ (/are lower than) from Paris or Amsterdam
>>>>> or
>>> Ghent
>>>>> or Brussels, where I have been last year November. And gasoline is
>>>>> very expensive - 1.7x EURO in Italy ( http://www.energy.eu/ ) ),
>>>>> even here
>>> in
>>>>> Russia it's now "just" ~1USD+/liter. Well, ordinary everyday good
>>>>> wine
>>> costs
>>>>> in Italy are low (up to 3EURO per 0.7l bottle) as well as prices
>>>>> for
>>> some
>>>>> Italian local fruits and vegetables but that's it AFAIHF.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thank you.
>>>>> 
>>>>> -- Shamil
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Monday, December  2, 2013 12:25 PM -07:00 from Jim Lawrence
>>>>> <accessd at shaw.ca>:
>>>>>> Italy would definitely be a good place to go...considering
>>>>>> Italians
>>> have
>>>>> been running things for around 3000 years, first the Roman Empire
>>>>> and
>>> then
>>>>> the Roman Catholic church...so they have hordes of culture from
>>> everywhere.
>>>>> Then there is a bit of a recession going on in the country so the
>>>>> prices might also be excellent.
>>>>>> ...And anyone that can build the Ferrari, Maserati and Lamborghini
>>>>>> to
>>> name
>>>>> a few...
>>>>>> Jim
>>>>> <<< skipped >>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> dba-Tech mailing list
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>>>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>>>> 
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>> 
>> 
>> --
>> Arthur
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Wed Dec  4 22:44:05 2013
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2013 20:44:05 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Way OT but I love you people so I'mposingthequestion.
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In the lower 48 it's pretty much a curse word.  Our own Muslim President is
a socialist.  

(These are the end days, you know.)

R

P.S.  How much more of this do you thin the moderator is going to put up
with.  There is, you know, a perfectly good forum for all this mental
chicken-choking.  Come join us - on OT!

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hans-Christian
Andersen
Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2013 8:11 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Way OT but I love you people so
I'mposingthequestion.

Whats wrong with being a socialist? I find it rather bizarre how that word
is thrown around as a slur and usually to mean something more like communism
and/or fascism.

- Hans


On Dec 4, 2013, at 1:32 PM, Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:

> Sorry - small s socialist. Or socialistic.
> 
> Don't be offended.  It's only my personal observation based on my 
> anecdotal experience.  I have found confirmation among other people 
> down here.  But that doesn't mean anything.  Not a large enough sample 
> to draw a statistical conclusion.
> 
> R
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Peter 
> Brawley
> Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2013 11:42 AM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Way OT but I love you people so I'm 
> posingthequestion.
> 
> 
> On 2013-12-04 11:15 AM, Rocky Smolin wrote:
>> Arthur:
>> 
>> Here's my observations about Canada vs. the U.S. when you're trying 
>> to do
>> business:
>> 
>> All the time I was marketing my software in Canada I sold only one 
>> system there in spite of many leads and much conversation.  I found 
>> that Canadians will study the smallest decision to death and in the 
>> end decide not to make a decision.  They seem very bureaucratic - and 
>> very unwilling to take risks, even small ones.
>> 
>> Whereas, the typical American company will tend to fit the resources 
>> needed to make a decision to the size of the product or service being 
>> considered, make a decision and get on with the job.
>> 
>> Cultural difference I assume, mediated I think by the more Socialist 
>> orientation of Canada's political culture - which tends to dissociate 
>> one's activities from the efficiency or profitability of those 
>> activities and evaluate them more along the lines of whether or not 
>> they have satisfied some standard operating procedure.
> 
> Why the capital-S in 'socialist'?
> 
> Over the 25 years or so that Arthur & I have been selling software 
> tools & books, Canadian sales have always been way less than the 9% of 
> US sales you'd expect simply from the 10-1 population ratio. That's 
> been so whether sales were based in Canada or in the US. Canadian 
> sales of our current book have been just 3% of the US total.
> 
> Ditto for free, open source downloads.
> 
> Why would being a bit more socialist, cautious, communitarian, 
> cooperative, traditional & loyalist than USAmericans discourage 
> Canadians from downloading free software?
> 
> Why would being a bit more socialist, communitarian, cooperative, 
> traditional & loyalist than USAmericans discourage Canadians from 
> buying books? On the whole, Canadians read more than USAmericans, not
less.
> Your explanation for your Canadian sales failures doesn't hold water.
> 
> Here's a plausible alternative: your sales pitch didn't persuade quite 
> well enough, but rather than just shut you out, your polite Canadian 
> interlocutors thought to give you another chance.
> 
>> 
>> My product cost in the neighborhood of $3500 and after two 
>> conversations with a Canadian company I usually took them off my 
>> follow-up list.  And never completed the RFPs they would send with 5 
>> pages of questions
> obviously
>> crafted by a mainframe systems analyst, 80% of which was irrelevant 
>> to my product.  Because I knew that the evaluators were more 
>> interested in satisfying their superiors that they had done a 
>> thorough job than actually finding a product that would solve their
problem.
>> 
>> My conclusion is that Canada has oil, coal, timber, and other natural 
>> resources which support its people at a level of affluence that 
>> allows
> them
>> the luxury of this mindset.
>> 
>> Generalizations, I know,
> 
> More like non sequiturs.
> 
> PB
> 
> -----
> 
>> but based on 30 years of trying to conclude any transaction with a 
>> Canadian company.  Perhaps you are running into the
> same
>> thing.
>> 
>> Rocky
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur 
>> Fuller
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2013 8:22 AM
>> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Way OT but I love you people so I'm posing 
>> thequestion.
>> 
>> Jim,
>> 
>> I can only speak from personal experience, and that is not much evidence.
>> But something strange has happened to me in the past year. A bit of 
>> back-story first. I am 66 years old and have previously declared 
>> myself semi-retired. I love in Canada. My last three contracts have 
>> all been with firms in the USA. Granted that the USA comprises about 
>> 90% of the continental economy, this is hardly a position on which to 
>> bet. But the point I am trying to make here is that I have way better 
>> luck with
> obtaining
>> contracts with American firms than Canadian. I cannot explain why that
is.
>> One of the last three derive from a book I wrote about MySQL. The 
>> other
> two
>> happened because of my involvement in AccessD and DbaSQL.
>> 
>> You should understand that this is not a complaint.I just find it 
>> interesting that Americans are interested in hiring me but Canadians 
>> are not. I have no idea why this is the case.
>> 
>> 
>> On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 10:55 PM, Hans-Christian Andersen < 
>> hans.andersen at phulse.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> From a radio show I was listening to, I think they said that Norways 
>>> government has a policy of selling all the natural gas and oil and 
>>> putting all the profits into social system and also into a nice big 
>>> fat bank account, so that they can use the money wisely in the future.
>>> They didn't want to suffer the "Resource curse" that many countries 
>>> seem to suffer when they suddenly strike rich.
>>> 
>>> Wikipedia has a good article about it:
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resource_curse
>>> 
>>> - Hans
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Dec 3, 2013, at 7:00 PM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> It is interesting to note that Norway, a country who actually 
>>>> products
>>> and subsequently sells oil has the highest car fuel prices while 
>>> Saudi Arabia has the lowest?
>>>> Jim
>>>> 
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Hans-Christian Andersen" <hans.andersen at phulse.com>
>>>> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <
>>> dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 3, 2013 2:32:36 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Way OT but I love you people so I'm   posing
>>>  the     question.
>>>> I'm only surprised Denmark wasn't among the top 3 most expensive
>>> countries.
>>>> We're number 5! We're number 5! (or 6, if you buy Diesel)
>>>> 
>>>> - Hans
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Dec 3, 2013, at 1:59 PM, Jon Tydda <jon at tydda.plus.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Well I'm stunned. You've managed to find somewhere that petrol is 
>>>>> more expensive than the UK!
>>>>> 
>>>>> I found this site: http://www.fuel-prices-europe.info/ which has 
>>>>> some
>>> nice
>>>>> comparisons in Euros and the local currency... so I'm paying about
>>> double
>>>>> what people in the US are paying.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Jon
>>>>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>>>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
>>> Salakhetdinov
>>>>> Shamil
>>>>> Sent: 02 December 2013 22:21
>>>>> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>>>>> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Way OT but I love you people so I'm posing 
>>>>> the question.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Jim --
>>>>> 
>>>>> I have been in the the East-South Italy Salento region this summer
>>>>> - I
>>> can't
>>>>> say prices somehow differ (/are lower than) from Paris or 
>>>>> Amsterdam or
>>> Ghent
>>>>> or Brussels, where I have been last year November. And gasoline is 
>>>>> very expensive - 1.7x EURO in Italy ( http://www.energy.eu/ ) ), 
>>>>> even here
>>> in
>>>>> Russia it's now "just" ~1USD+/liter. Well, ordinary everyday good 
>>>>> wine
>>> costs
>>>>> in Italy are low (up to 3EURO per 0.7l bottle) as well as prices 
>>>>> for
>>> some
>>>>> Italian local fruits and vegetables but that's it AFAIHF.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thank you.
>>>>> 
>>>>> -- Shamil
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Monday, December  2, 2013 12:25 PM -07:00 from Jim Lawrence
>>>>> <accessd at shaw.ca>:
>>>>>> Italy would definitely be a good place to go...considering 
>>>>>> Italians
>>> have
>>>>> been running things for around 3000 years, first the Roman Empire 
>>>>> and
>>> then
>>>>> the Roman Catholic church...so they have hordes of culture from
>>> everywhere.
>>>>> Then there is a bit of a recession going on in the country so the 
>>>>> prices might also be excellent.
>>>>>> ...And anyone that can build the Ferrari, Maserati and 
>>>>>> Lamborghini to
>>> name
>>>>> a few...
>>>>>> Jim
>>>>> <<< skipped >>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> dba-Tech mailing list
>>>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>>>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>>>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>>>> 
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> dba-Tech mailing list
>>>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>>>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>>>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>>> 
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> dba-Tech mailing list
>>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
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>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> Arthur
>> _______________________________________________
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Dec  5 01:43:21 2013
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2013 08:43:21 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] USE THE OT LIST PEOPLE!
Message-ID: <002f01cef18d$ac3c9fa0$04b5dee0$@cactus.dk>

Now, if only all would listen to John. Please.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af John Bartow
Sendt: 4. december 2013 06:20
Til: DBA-Tech
Emne: [dba-Tech] USE THE OT LIST PEOPLE!

We have an OT list for a purpose. Please use it and stop posting OT subjects
here. 



From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Dec  5 15:10:47 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2013 14:10:47 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Free MacWindows?Linux development Tool
In-Reply-To: <529F9421.4404.64EFE3AC@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <1859177521.83370330.1386277847177.JavaMail.root@cds002>

Hi Stuart:

This is definitely worthy of further investigation. Being able to easily create apps that can run on the desktop browser along with Smartphones and tablets is no longer an option. Clients want and expect it all now...the bar has been raised.

Jim 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Stuart McLachlan" <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 4, 2013 12:44:17 PM
Subject: [dba-Tech] Free MacWindows?Linux development Tool

Just received this from Basic4Android.  Haven't downloaded it yet but will be doing so soon:

<quote>
Hi,
I'm happy to release a new development tool, named B4J.

B4J is a development tool, similar to Basic4android that allows you to
develop Windows, Mac and Linux apps.

You can download B4J here: http://www.basic4ppc.com/b4j/

B4J is free for both personal usage and commercial usage.

</quote>


>From the website:
FAQ
Q: Is B4J completely free, including for commercial purposes?
A: Yes.
Q: What are the requirements for UI apps developers with B4J?
A: B4J UI apps depend on Java FX. Java FX is part of Java JRE 7 (build 6+). B4J UI apps 
will run on Windows, Mac and Linux computers.
Q: Which file should be distributed?
A: When you compile your project in Release mode, the complete app is packaged in a 
single jar file under the Objects folder. You should distribute this jar file.
Q: Can I reuse Basic4android code with B4J?
A: Most of the non-UI code can be reused. See this tutorial for more information


And from the first tutorial:

B4J development tool is similar to Basic4android. The language and IDE are mostly identical.

The APIs (methods, keywords and libraries) are identical in some cases and different in other 
cases.

I converted existing frameworks such as DBUtils, HttpUtils2, DateUtils, RDC, 
ImageDownloader and others from B4A to B4J. It was simpler than I expected it to be. In 
some cases no changes were required at all.

Modules

There are two types of modules in B4J. Code modules and classes. Classes are identical to 
B4A classes.
Code modules are similar to B4A modules however they are more powerful as they can 
handle events.

A code module can be considered as a class with exactly one instance (such instances are 
sometimes called singletons or static classes). Activities and Services are not required in 
B4J. You should instead use code modules. Note that when you add an existing B4A activity 
or service to B4J project it will be converted to a code module.

CallSub is mostly not required in B4J as you can directly call methods of other classes or 
code modules.

Generally speaking it is simpler to develop with B4J as you do not need to deal with the 
activities (and services) life cycle. This also means that there is no such concept as "activity 
object".

UI

The main difference is in the UI. B4J is based on JavaFX UI and Basic4android is based on 
the native Android UI..
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From accesspro at cox.net  Fri Dec  6 12:56:18 2013
From: accesspro at cox.net (Access Pro)
Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2013 10:56:18 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] USE THE OT LIST PEOPLE!
In-Reply-To: <xjjb1m00L0xgD8Z01jjcj4>
References: <xjjb1m00L0xgD8Z01jjcj4>
Message-ID: <21ECEAB4EA874D74BB75AB947941ADCC@7even>

Here Here.

Bob Heygood


 

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Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2013 11:43 PM
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Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] USE THE OT LIST PEOPLE!

Now, if only all would listen to John. Please.

/gustav

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From peter.brawley at earthlink.net  Fri Dec  6 14:23:17 2013
From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley)
Date: Fri, 06 Dec 2013 14:23:17 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] USE THE OT LIST PEOPLE!
In-Reply-To: <21ECEAB4EA874D74BB75AB947941ADCC@7even>
References: <xjjb1m00L0xgD8Z01jjcj4> <21ECEAB4EA874D74BB75AB947941ADCC@7even>
Message-ID: <52A23235.1000208@earthlink.net>

On 2013-12-06 12:56 PM, Access Pro wrote:
> Here Here.

Which is OT.

PB

>
> Bob Heygood
>
>
>   
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
> Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2013 11:43 PM
> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] USE THE OT LIST PEOPLE!
>
> Now, if only all would listen to John. Please.
>
> /gustav
>
> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af John Bartow
> Sendt: 4. december 2013 06:20
> Til: DBA-Tech
> Emne: [dba-Tech] USE THE OT LIST PEOPLE!
>
> We have an OT list for a purpose. Please use it and stop posting OT subjects
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From peter.brawley at earthlink.net  Fri Dec  6 14:24:12 2013
From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley)
Date: Fri, 06 Dec 2013 14:24:12 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] USE THE OT LIST PEOPLE!
In-Reply-To: <21ECEAB4EA874D74BB75AB947941ADCC@7even>
References: <xjjb1m00L0xgD8Z01jjcj4> <21ECEAB4EA874D74BB75AB947941ADCC@7even>
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On 2013-12-06 12:56 PM, Access Pro wrote:
> Here Here.

And didn't you mean "Hear, hear!"?

Also OT.

PB

-----

>
> Bob Heygood
>
>
>   
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
> Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2013 11:43 PM
> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] USE THE OT LIST PEOPLE!
>
> Now, if only all would listen to John. Please.
>
> /gustav
>
> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Sun Dec  8 19:19:03 2013
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2013 17:19:03 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Keyboard Problem
Message-ID: <487CEA7906A04BE4903EBF3A386B603D@HAL9007>

Dear List:
 
I recently replaced the fan and heat sink on an HP mini 210 - it was making
a grinding noise.  Now I have a problem with the key board.  I do not know
if the problem with the keyboard existed before I replaced the fan - which
required removing the keyboard.
 
I have reseated the ZIF connector and it looks like it's lined up right -
it's hard to miss with those. What I'm wondering is if it's the keyboard or
it there's anything else that could be wrong that replacing the keyboard
won't fix.  I can get a replacement for $15 including shipping.  
 
The keys that won't work are 
 
Row 1 - Backspace
Row 2 - qwer uiop
Row 3 - gh '  (Enter works)
Row 4 - all work
Row 5 - arrow keys (ctrl and alt work)
 
Any ideas of anything else that might be wrong with this other than the
prime suspect?
 
MTIA
 
Rocky
d    
 
 

From paul.hartland at googlemail.com  Sun Dec  8 23:02:30 2013
From: paul.hartland at googlemail.com (Paul Hartland)
Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2013 05:02:30 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Keyboard Problem
In-Reply-To: <487CEA7906A04BE4903EBF3A386B603D@HAL9007>
References: <487CEA7906A04BE4903EBF3A386B603D@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <CALGJE97wD5MqDtdKfq-jj0CTj8Jzt0TpUDNVyGaBzZCfSj_4WQ@mail.gmail.com>

Rocky,

Have you tried going to device manager, expand keyboards, and uninstalling
the keyboard, then right click and scan for hardware changes to try and
re-install.

Paul


On 9 December 2013 01:19, Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:

> Dear List:
>
> I recently replaced the fan and heat sink on an HP mini 210 - it was making
> a grinding noise.  Now I have a problem with the key board.  I do not know
> if the problem with the keyboard existed before I replaced the fan - which
> required removing the keyboard.
>
> I have reseated the ZIF connector and it looks like it's lined up right -
> it's hard to miss with those. What I'm wondering is if it's the keyboard or
> it there's anything else that could be wrong that replacing the keyboard
> won't fix.  I can get a replacement for $15 including shipping.
>
> The keys that won't work are
>
> Row 1 - Backspace
> Row 2 - qwer uiop
> Row 3 - gh '  (Enter works)
> Row 4 - all work
> Row 5 - arrow keys (ctrl and alt work)
>
> Any ideas of anything else that might be wrong with this other than the
> prime suspect?
>
> MTIA
>
> Rocky
> d
>
>
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Sun Dec  8 23:31:28 2013
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2013 21:31:28 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Keyboard Problem
In-Reply-To: <CALGJE97wD5MqDtdKfq-jj0CTj8Jzt0TpUDNVyGaBzZCfSj_4WQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <487CEA7906A04BE4903EBF3A386B603D@HAL9007>
	<CALGJE97wD5MqDtdKfq-jj0CTj8Jzt0TpUDNVyGaBzZCfSj_4WQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D3FBCEDB43004293AA10C5B02BAD74DC@HAL9007>

Thank you - good idea, but no cigar. Uninstalled - it reinstalled itself.
No change.  But you showed me that it's probably not the driver. 

R
  

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[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Paul Hartland
Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2013 9:03 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Keyboard Problem

Rocky,

Have you tried going to device manager, expand keyboards, and uninstalling
the keyboard, then right click and scan for hardware changes to try and
re-install.

Paul


On 9 December 2013 01:19, Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:

> Dear List:
>
> I recently replaced the fan and heat sink on an HP mini 210 - it was 
> making a grinding noise.  Now I have a problem with the key board.  I 
> do not know if the problem with the keyboard existed before I replaced 
> the fan - which required removing the keyboard.
>
> I have reseated the ZIF connector and it looks like it's lined up 
> right - it's hard to miss with those. What I'm wondering is if it's 
> the keyboard or it there's anything else that could be wrong that 
> replacing the keyboard won't fix.  I can get a replacement for $15
including shipping.
>
> The keys that won't work are
>
> Row 1 - Backspace
> Row 2 - qwer uiop
> Row 3 - gh '  (Enter works)
> Row 4 - all work
> Row 5 - arrow keys (ctrl and alt work)
>
> Any ideas of anything else that might be wrong with this other than 
> the prime suspect?
>
> MTIA
>
> Rocky
> d
>
>
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From marklbreen at gmail.com  Mon Dec  9 03:45:09 2013
From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen)
Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2013 09:45:09 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Keyboard Problem
In-Reply-To: <D3FBCEDB43004293AA10C5B02BAD74DC@HAL9007>
References: <487CEA7906A04BE4903EBF3A386B603D@HAL9007>
	<CALGJE97wD5MqDtdKfq-jj0CTj8Jzt0TpUDNVyGaBzZCfSj_4WQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<D3FBCEDB43004293AA10C5B02BAD74DC@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <CAGXtTCgmMesqeF-+O_4bSPViC26zTCVbdODP6qDDMDG_th_vvg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Rocky

I would bet $50 it is the ribbon cable / connector.  Before I spend the $15
though, I would remove it and re-connect it one more time, just doing that
might make it work for another 5 years.

If not, then it is a broken cable / connection and nothing for it but a new
keyboard.  Of course there is one other possibility of a dry joint on the
pcb itself, but again only way to really find out is replace the keyboard
and cable.

good luck,

Mark




On 9 December 2013 05:31, Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:

> Thank you - good idea, but no cigar. Uninstalled - it reinstalled itself.
> No change.  But you showed me that it's probably not the driver.
>
> R
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Paul Hartland
> Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2013 9:03 PM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Keyboard Problem
>
> Rocky,
>
> Have you tried going to device manager, expand keyboards, and uninstalling
> the keyboard, then right click and scan for hardware changes to try and
> re-install.
>
> Paul
>
>
> On 9 December 2013 01:19, Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:
>
> > Dear List:
> >
> > I recently replaced the fan and heat sink on an HP mini 210 - it was
> > making a grinding noise.  Now I have a problem with the key board.  I
> > do not know if the problem with the keyboard existed before I replaced
> > the fan - which required removing the keyboard.
> >
> > I have reseated the ZIF connector and it looks like it's lined up
> > right - it's hard to miss with those. What I'm wondering is if it's
> > the keyboard or it there's anything else that could be wrong that
> > replacing the keyboard won't fix.  I can get a replacement for $15
> including shipping.
> >
> > The keys that won't work are
> >
> > Row 1 - Backspace
> > Row 2 - qwer uiop
> > Row 3 - gh '  (Enter works)
> > Row 4 - all work
> > Row 5 - arrow keys (ctrl and alt work)
> >
> > Any ideas of anything else that might be wrong with this other than
> > the prime suspect?
> >
> > MTIA
> >
> > Rocky
> > d
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > dba-Tech mailing list
> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
>
>
>
> --
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon Dec  9 08:01:17 2013
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2013 06:01:17 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Keyboard Problem
In-Reply-To: <CAGXtTCgmMesqeF-+O_4bSPViC26zTCVbdODP6qDDMDG_th_vvg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <487CEA7906A04BE4903EBF3A386B603D@HAL9007><CALGJE97wD5MqDtdKfq-jj0CTj8Jzt0TpUDNVyGaBzZCfSj_4WQ@mail.gmail.com><D3FBCEDB43004293AA10C5B02BAD74DC@HAL9007>
	<CAGXtTCgmMesqeF-+O_4bSPViC26zTCVbdODP6qDDMDG_th_vvg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CCD82D241B524E92893FA5E3B2A14175@HAL9007>

Thanks.  I did remove the keyboard, used compressed air in the ZIF
connector, looked at the end of the ribbon - it looked clean.  Reinserted
using a magnifying glass to see if it was possible to insert it cockeyed
somehow.  Still the same keys non-functional.

One other (probably irrelevant) correction to my original post - the down
and right arrow keys work - up and left do not.

Best,

r

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen
Sent: Monday, December 09, 2013 1:45 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Keyboard Problem

Hi Rocky

I would bet $50 it is the ribbon cable / connector.  Before I spend the $15
though, I would remove it and re-connect it one more time, just doing that
might make it work for another 5 years.

If not, then it is a broken cable / connection and nothing for it but a new
keyboard.  Of course there is one other possibility of a dry joint on the
pcb itself, but again only way to really find out is replace the keyboard
and cable.

good luck,

Mark




On 9 December 2013 05:31, Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:

> Thank you - good idea, but no cigar. Uninstalled - it reinstalled itself.
> No change.  But you showed me that it's probably not the driver.
>
> R
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Paul 
> Hartland
> Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2013 9:03 PM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Keyboard Problem
>
> Rocky,
>
> Have you tried going to device manager, expand keyboards, and 
> uninstalling the keyboard, then right click and scan for hardware 
> changes to try and re-install.
>
> Paul
>
>
> On 9 December 2013 01:19, Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:
>
> > Dear List:
> >
> > I recently replaced the fan and heat sink on an HP mini 210 - it was 
> > making a grinding noise.  Now I have a problem with the key board.  
> > I do not know if the problem with the keyboard existed before I 
> > replaced the fan - which required removing the keyboard.
> >
> > I have reseated the ZIF connector and it looks like it's lined up 
> > right - it's hard to miss with those. What I'm wondering is if it's 
> > the keyboard or it there's anything else that could be wrong that 
> > replacing the keyboard won't fix.  I can get a replacement for $15
> including shipping.
> >
> > The keys that won't work are
> >
> > Row 1 - Backspace
> > Row 2 - qwer uiop
> > Row 3 - gh '  (Enter works)
> > Row 4 - all work
> > Row 5 - arrow keys (ctrl and alt work)
> >
> > Any ideas of anything else that might be wrong with this other than 
> > the prime suspect?
> >
> > MTIA
> >
> > Rocky
> > d
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > dba-Tech mailing list
> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
>
>
>
> --
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> paul.hartland at googlemail.com
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From garykjos at gmail.com  Mon Dec  9 08:29:05 2013
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2013 08:29:05 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Keyboard Problem
In-Reply-To: <CCD82D241B524E92893FA5E3B2A14175@HAL9007>
References: <487CEA7906A04BE4903EBF3A386B603D@HAL9007>
	<CALGJE97wD5MqDtdKfq-jj0CTj8Jzt0TpUDNVyGaBzZCfSj_4WQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<D3FBCEDB43004293AA10C5B02BAD74DC@HAL9007>
	<CAGXtTCgmMesqeF-+O_4bSPViC26zTCVbdODP6qDDMDG_th_vvg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CCD82D241B524E92893FA5E3B2A14175@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <CAJ2R_p+DUJEZ8iSpKJJ3zGZVkSvkR_OHMTs1Q_iVpFtN_kdr3Q@mail.gmail.com>

There is a spray called "contact cleaner" I have had luck with in fixing
stubborn remote control buttons that you might try spraying into the ribbon
cable plug and on the pins. I forget where I got it. It's in a can like
WD40 with an extension tube thing.

GK


On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 8:01 AM, Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:

> Thanks.  I did remove the keyboard, used compressed air in the ZIF
> connector, looked at the end of the ribbon - it looked clean.  Reinserted
> using a magnifying glass to see if it was possible to insert it cockeyed
> somehow.  Still the same keys non-functional.
>
> One other (probably irrelevant) correction to my original post - the down
> and right arrow keys work - up and left do not.
>
> Best,
>
> r
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen
> Sent: Monday, December 09, 2013 1:45 AM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Keyboard Problem
>
> Hi Rocky
>
> I would bet $50 it is the ribbon cable / connector.  Before I spend the $15
> though, I would remove it and re-connect it one more time, just doing that
> might make it work for another 5 years.
>
> If not, then it is a broken cable / connection and nothing for it but a new
> keyboard.  Of course there is one other possibility of a dry joint on the
> pcb itself, but again only way to really find out is replace the keyboard
> and cable.
>
> good luck,
>
> Mark
>
>
>
>
> On 9 December 2013 05:31, Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:
>
> > Thank you - good idea, but no cigar. Uninstalled - it reinstalled itself.
> > No change.  But you showed me that it's probably not the driver.
> >
> > R
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Paul
> > Hartland
> > Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2013 9:03 PM
> > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Keyboard Problem
> >
> > Rocky,
> >
> > Have you tried going to device manager, expand keyboards, and
> > uninstalling the keyboard, then right click and scan for hardware
> > changes to try and re-install.
> >
> > Paul
> >
> >
> > On 9 December 2013 01:19, Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Dear List:
> > >
> > > I recently replaced the fan and heat sink on an HP mini 210 - it was
> > > making a grinding noise.  Now I have a problem with the key board.
> > > I do not know if the problem with the keyboard existed before I
> > > replaced the fan - which required removing the keyboard.
> > >
> > > I have reseated the ZIF connector and it looks like it's lined up
> > > right - it's hard to miss with those. What I'm wondering is if it's
> > > the keyboard or it there's anything else that could be wrong that
> > > replacing the keyboard won't fix.  I can get a replacement for $15
> > including shipping.
> > >
> > > The keys that won't work are
> > >
> > > Row 1 - Backspace
> > > Row 2 - qwer uiop
> > > Row 3 - gh '  (Enter works)
> > > Row 4 - all work
> > > Row 5 - arrow keys (ctrl and alt work)
> > >
> > > Any ideas of anything else that might be wrong with this other than
> > > the prime suspect?
> > >
> > > MTIA
> > >
> > > Rocky
> > > d
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
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> > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Paul Hartland
> > paul.hartland at googlemail.com
> > _______________________________________________
> > dba-Tech mailing list
> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
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> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
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> >
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon Dec  9 08:35:06 2013
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2013 06:35:06 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Keyboard Problem
In-Reply-To: <CAGXtTCgmMesqeF-+O_4bSPViC26zTCVbdODP6qDDMDG_th_vvg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <487CEA7906A04BE4903EBF3A386B603D@HAL9007><CALGJE97wD5MqDtdKfq-jj0CTj8Jzt0TpUDNVyGaBzZCfSj_4WQ@mail.gmail.com><D3FBCEDB43004293AA10C5B02BAD74DC@HAL9007>
	<CAGXtTCgmMesqeF-+O_4bSPViC26zTCVbdODP6qDDMDG_th_vvg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F6B11A0BDD634FB3B36485B8B4D6940C@HAL9007>

Why didn't I think of this before?  I plugged a USB keyboard into the USB
port of the mini - it installed.  I rebooted.  The external keyboard works.
Would you say this confirms that the Mini's keyboard is hosed?

Rocky
 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen
Sent: Monday, December 09, 2013 1:45 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Keyboard Problem

Hi Rocky

I would bet $50 it is the ribbon cable / connector.  Before I spend the $15
though, I would remove it and re-connect it one more time, just doing that
might make it work for another 5 years.

If not, then it is a broken cable / connection and nothing for it but a new
keyboard.  Of course there is one other possibility of a dry joint on the
pcb itself, but again only way to really find out is replace the keyboard
and cable.

good luck,

Mark




On 9 December 2013 05:31, Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:

> Thank you - good idea, but no cigar. Uninstalled - it reinstalled itself.
> No change.  But you showed me that it's probably not the driver.
>
> R
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Paul 
> Hartland
> Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2013 9:03 PM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Keyboard Problem
>
> Rocky,
>
> Have you tried going to device manager, expand keyboards, and 
> uninstalling the keyboard, then right click and scan for hardware 
> changes to try and re-install.
>
> Paul
>
>
> On 9 December 2013 01:19, Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:
>
> > Dear List:
> >
> > I recently replaced the fan and heat sink on an HP mini 210 - it was 
> > making a grinding noise.  Now I have a problem with the key board.  
> > I do not know if the problem with the keyboard existed before I 
> > replaced the fan - which required removing the keyboard.
> >
> > I have reseated the ZIF connector and it looks like it's lined up 
> > right - it's hard to miss with those. What I'm wondering is if it's 
> > the keyboard or it there's anything else that could be wrong that 
> > replacing the keyboard won't fix.  I can get a replacement for $15
> including shipping.
> >
> > The keys that won't work are
> >
> > Row 1 - Backspace
> > Row 2 - qwer uiop
> > Row 3 - gh '  (Enter works)
> > Row 4 - all work
> > Row 5 - arrow keys (ctrl and alt work)
> >
> > Any ideas of anything else that might be wrong with this other than 
> > the prime suspect?
> >
> > MTIA
> >
> > Rocky
> > d
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > dba-Tech mailing list
> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Paul Hartland
> paul.hartland at googlemail.com
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
> _______________________________________________
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>
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From marklbreen at gmail.com  Mon Dec  9 11:51:04 2013
From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen)
Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2013 17:51:04 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Keyboard Problem
In-Reply-To: <F6B11A0BDD634FB3B36485B8B4D6940C@HAL9007>
References: <487CEA7906A04BE4903EBF3A386B603D@HAL9007>
	<CALGJE97wD5MqDtdKfq-jj0CTj8Jzt0TpUDNVyGaBzZCfSj_4WQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<D3FBCEDB43004293AA10C5B02BAD74DC@HAL9007>
	<CAGXtTCgmMesqeF-+O_4bSPViC26zTCVbdODP6qDDMDG_th_vvg@mail.gmail.com>
	<F6B11A0BDD634FB3B36485B8B4D6940C@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <CAGXtTCjVYbP9u4DmF9kt7B38Q_yWJrYfv2nBQqNSsQQHbHbEPg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Rocky,

I was going to suggest that also but was worried you would be annoyed by
suggesting what you had already done :)

Yes, the kbd or an internal connection is now damaged.  A small wireless
bluetooth kdb might be an answer, MS have a very nice tiny bluetooth kdb
and mouse set.

Mark




On 9 December 2013 14:35, Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:

> Why didn't I think of this before?  I plugged a USB keyboard into the USB
> port of the mini - it installed.  I rebooted.  The external keyboard works.
> Would you say this confirms that the Mini's keyboard is hosed?
>
> Rocky
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen
> Sent: Monday, December 09, 2013 1:45 AM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Keyboard Problem
>
> Hi Rocky
>
> I would bet $50 it is the ribbon cable / connector.  Before I spend the $15
> though, I would remove it and re-connect it one more time, just doing that
> might make it work for another 5 years.
>
> If not, then it is a broken cable / connection and nothing for it but a new
> keyboard.  Of course there is one other possibility of a dry joint on the
> pcb itself, but again only way to really find out is replace the keyboard
> and cable.
>
> good luck,
>
> Mark
>
>
>
>
> On 9 December 2013 05:31, Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:
>
> > Thank you - good idea, but no cigar. Uninstalled - it reinstalled itself.
> > No change.  But you showed me that it's probably not the driver.
> >
> > R
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Paul
> > Hartland
> > Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2013 9:03 PM
> > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Keyboard Problem
> >
> > Rocky,
> >
> > Have you tried going to device manager, expand keyboards, and
> > uninstalling the keyboard, then right click and scan for hardware
> > changes to try and re-install.
> >
> > Paul
> >
> >
> > On 9 December 2013 01:19, Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Dear List:
> > >
> > > I recently replaced the fan and heat sink on an HP mini 210 - it was
> > > making a grinding noise.  Now I have a problem with the key board.
> > > I do not know if the problem with the keyboard existed before I
> > > replaced the fan - which required removing the keyboard.
> > >
> > > I have reseated the ZIF connector and it looks like it's lined up
> > > right - it's hard to miss with those. What I'm wondering is if it's
> > > the keyboard or it there's anything else that could be wrong that
> > > replacing the keyboard won't fix.  I can get a replacement for $15
> > including shipping.
> > >
> > > The keys that won't work are
> > >
> > > Row 1 - Backspace
> > > Row 2 - qwer uiop
> > > Row 3 - gh '  (Enter works)
> > > Row 4 - all work
> > > Row 5 - arrow keys (ctrl and alt work)
> > >
> > > Any ideas of anything else that might be wrong with this other than
> > > the prime suspect?
> > >
> > > MTIA
> > >
> > > Rocky
> > > d
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > dba-Tech mailing list
> > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Paul Hartland
> > paul.hartland at googlemail.com
> > _______________________________________________
> > dba-Tech mailing list
> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > dba-Tech mailing list
> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> _______________________________________________
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> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
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>

From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon Dec  9 12:01:14 2013
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2013 10:01:14 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Keyboard Problem
In-Reply-To: <CAGXtTCjVYbP9u4DmF9kt7B38Q_yWJrYfv2nBQqNSsQQHbHbEPg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <487CEA7906A04BE4903EBF3A386B603D@HAL9007><CALGJE97wD5MqDtdKfq-jj0CTj8Jzt0TpUDNVyGaBzZCfSj_4WQ@mail.gmail.com><D3FBCEDB43004293AA10C5B02BAD74DC@HAL9007><CAGXtTCgmMesqeF-+O_4bSPViC26zTCVbdODP6qDDMDG_th_vvg@mail.gmail.com><F6B11A0BDD634FB3B36485B8B4D6940C@HAL9007>
	<CAGXtTCjVYbP9u4DmF9kt7B38Q_yWJrYfv2nBQqNSsQQHbHbEPg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CFF6DAC422254F039A26B5FD4018B242@HAL9007>

I think I'll get the replacement keyboard.  I really like this little comp -
http://www.cnet.com/laptops/hp-mini-210-hd/4505-3121_7-33939694.html really
small - nice keyboard - good for travel or to keep in the family room for
quick googles.  But it's powerful enough to run full Office 0 windows 7
starter.  A real little gem

I need it like a third leg, but now it's a challenge.

BTW I did pull the keyboard, washed it with alcohol, rubbed it with an erase
- spoke politely to it - no cigar.

Best,

r 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen
Sent: Monday, December 09, 2013 9:51 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Cc: Off Topic
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Keyboard Problem

Hi Rocky,

I was going to suggest that also but was worried you would be annoyed by
suggesting what you had already done :)

Yes, the kbd or an internal connection is now damaged.  A small wireless
bluetooth kdb might be an answer, MS have a very nice tiny bluetooth kdb and
mouse set.

Mark




On 9 December 2013 14:35, Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:

> Why didn't I think of this before?  I plugged a USB keyboard into the 
> USB port of the mini - it installed.  I rebooted.  The external keyboard
works.
> Would you say this confirms that the Mini's keyboard is hosed?
>
> Rocky
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen
> Sent: Monday, December 09, 2013 1:45 AM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Keyboard Problem
>
> Hi Rocky
>
> I would bet $50 it is the ribbon cable / connector.  Before I spend 
> the $15 though, I would remove it and re-connect it one more time, 
> just doing that might make it work for another 5 years.
>
> If not, then it is a broken cable / connection and nothing for it but 
> a new keyboard.  Of course there is one other possibility of a dry 
> joint on the pcb itself, but again only way to really find out is 
> replace the keyboard and cable.
>
> good luck,
>
> Mark
>
>
>
>
> On 9 December 2013 05:31, Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:
>
> > Thank you - good idea, but no cigar. Uninstalled - it reinstalled
itself.
> > No change.  But you showed me that it's probably not the driver.
> >
> > R
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Paul 
> > Hartland
> > Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2013 9:03 PM
> > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Keyboard Problem
> >
> > Rocky,
> >
> > Have you tried going to device manager, expand keyboards, and 
> > uninstalling the keyboard, then right click and scan for hardware 
> > changes to try and re-install.
> >
> > Paul
> >
> >
> > On 9 December 2013 01:19, Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Dear List:
> > >
> > > I recently replaced the fan and heat sink on an HP mini 210 - it 
> > > was making a grinding noise.  Now I have a problem with the key board.
> > > I do not know if the problem with the keyboard existed before I 
> > > replaced the fan - which required removing the keyboard.
> > >
> > > I have reseated the ZIF connector and it looks like it's lined up 
> > > right - it's hard to miss with those. What I'm wondering is if 
> > > it's the keyboard or it there's anything else that could be wrong 
> > > that replacing the keyboard won't fix.  I can get a replacement 
> > > for $15
> > including shipping.
> > >
> > > The keys that won't work are
> > >
> > > Row 1 - Backspace
> > > Row 2 - qwer uiop
> > > Row 3 - gh '  (Enter works)
> > > Row 4 - all work
> > > Row 5 - arrow keys (ctrl and alt work)
> > >
> > > Any ideas of anything else that might be wrong with this other 
> > > than the prime suspect?
> > >
> > > MTIA
> > >
> > > Rocky
> > > d
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > dba-Tech mailing list
> > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Paul Hartland
> > paul.hartland at googlemail.com
> > _______________________________________________
> > dba-Tech mailing list
> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > dba-Tech mailing list
> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
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From marklbreen at gmail.com  Tue Dec 10 03:02:17 2013
From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen)
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2013 09:02:17 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Keyboard Problem
In-Reply-To: <CFF6DAC422254F039A26B5FD4018B242@HAL9007>
References: <487CEA7906A04BE4903EBF3A386B603D@HAL9007>
	<CALGJE97wD5MqDtdKfq-jj0CTj8Jzt0TpUDNVyGaBzZCfSj_4WQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<D3FBCEDB43004293AA10C5B02BAD74DC@HAL9007>
	<CAGXtTCgmMesqeF-+O_4bSPViC26zTCVbdODP6qDDMDG_th_vvg@mail.gmail.com>
	<F6B11A0BDD634FB3B36485B8B4D6940C@HAL9007>
	<CAGXtTCjVYbP9u4DmF9kt7B38Q_yWJrYfv2nBQqNSsQQHbHbEPg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CFF6DAC422254F039A26B5FD4018B242@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <CAGXtTCijfUzbAYhLGyct8x9jGCEVeV4L37V3DuKeQ4QKOHqR9w@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Rocky

I have this keyboard and mouse

http://www.microsoft.com/hardware/en-us/p/wedge-mobile-keyboard
http://www.microsoft.com/hardware/en-us/p/wedge-touch-mouse

they are tiny and nice for travel,

Still hate bluetooth though

Mark




On 9 December 2013 18:01, Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:

> I think I'll get the replacement keyboard.  I really like this little comp
> -
> http://www.cnet.com/laptops/hp-mini-210-hd/4505-3121_7-33939694.htmlreally
> small - nice keyboard - good for travel or to keep in the family room for
> quick googles.  But it's powerful enough to run full Office 0 windows 7
> starter.  A real little gem
>
> I need it like a third leg, but now it's a challenge.
>
> BTW I did pull the keyboard, washed it with alcohol, rubbed it with an
> erase
> - spoke politely to it - no cigar.
>
> Best,
>
> r
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen
> Sent: Monday, December 09, 2013 9:51 AM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Cc: Off Topic
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Keyboard Problem
>
> Hi Rocky,
>
> I was going to suggest that also but was worried you would be annoyed by
> suggesting what you had already done :)
>
> Yes, the kbd or an internal connection is now damaged.  A small wireless
> bluetooth kdb might be an answer, MS have a very nice tiny bluetooth kdb
> and
> mouse set.
>
> Mark
>
>
>
>
> On 9 December 2013 14:35, Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:
>
> > Why didn't I think of this before?  I plugged a USB keyboard into the
> > USB port of the mini - it installed.  I rebooted.  The external keyboard
> works.
> > Would you say this confirms that the Mini's keyboard is hosed?
> >
> > Rocky
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen
> > Sent: Monday, December 09, 2013 1:45 AM
> > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Keyboard Problem
> >
> > Hi Rocky
> >
> > I would bet $50 it is the ribbon cable / connector.  Before I spend
> > the $15 though, I would remove it and re-connect it one more time,
> > just doing that might make it work for another 5 years.
> >
> > If not, then it is a broken cable / connection and nothing for it but
> > a new keyboard.  Of course there is one other possibility of a dry
> > joint on the pcb itself, but again only way to really find out is
> > replace the keyboard and cable.
> >
> > good luck,
> >
> > Mark
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 9 December 2013 05:31, Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Thank you - good idea, but no cigar. Uninstalled - it reinstalled
> itself.
> > > No change.  But you showed me that it's probably not the driver.
> > >
> > > R
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Paul
> > > Hartland
> > > Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2013 9:03 PM
> > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Keyboard Problem
> > >
> > > Rocky,
> > >
> > > Have you tried going to device manager, expand keyboards, and
> > > uninstalling the keyboard, then right click and scan for hardware
> > > changes to try and re-install.
> > >
> > > Paul
> > >
> > >
> > > On 9 December 2013 01:19, Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Dear List:
> > > >
> > > > I recently replaced the fan and heat sink on an HP mini 210 - it
> > > > was making a grinding noise.  Now I have a problem with the key
> board.
> > > > I do not know if the problem with the keyboard existed before I
> > > > replaced the fan - which required removing the keyboard.
> > > >
> > > > I have reseated the ZIF connector and it looks like it's lined up
> > > > right - it's hard to miss with those. What I'm wondering is if
> > > > it's the keyboard or it there's anything else that could be wrong
> > > > that replacing the keyboard won't fix.  I can get a replacement
> > > > for $15
> > > including shipping.
> > > >
> > > > The keys that won't work are
> > > >
> > > > Row 1 - Backspace
> > > > Row 2 - qwer uiop
> > > > Row 3 - gh '  (Enter works)
> > > > Row 4 - all work
> > > > Row 5 - arrow keys (ctrl and alt work)
> > > >
> > > > Any ideas of anything else that might be wrong with this other
> > > > than the prime suspect?
> > > >
> > > > MTIA
> > > >
> > > > Rocky
> > > > d
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > dba-Tech mailing list
> > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Paul Hartland
> > > paul.hartland at googlemail.com
> > > _______________________________________________
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Tue Dec 10 07:58:05 2013
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2013 05:58:05 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Keyboard Problem
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I ordered up the replacement keyboard for this comp. an external kb for a
tablet is a good idea, though.  Haven't gone the tablet route yet though.

 R


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen
Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2013 1:02 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Keyboard Problem

Hi Rocky

I have this keyboard and mouse

http://www.microsoft.com/hardware/en-us/p/wedge-mobile-keyboard
http://www.microsoft.com/hardware/en-us/p/wedge-touch-mouse

they are tiny and nice for travel,

Still hate bluetooth though

Mark




On 9 December 2013 18:01, Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:

> I think I'll get the replacement keyboard.  I really like this little 
> comp
> -
> http://www.cnet.com/laptops/hp-mini-210-hd/4505-3121_7-33939694.htmlre
> ally small - nice keyboard - good for travel or to keep in the family 
> room for quick googles.  But it's powerful enough to run full Office 0 
> windows 7 starter.  A real little gem
>
> I need it like a third leg, but now it's a challenge.
>
> BTW I did pull the keyboard, washed it with alcohol, rubbed it with an 
> erase
> - spoke politely to it - no cigar.
>
> Best,
>
> r
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen
> Sent: Monday, December 09, 2013 9:51 AM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Cc: Off Topic
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Keyboard Problem
>
> Hi Rocky,
>
> I was going to suggest that also but was worried you would be annoyed 
> by suggesting what you had already done :)
>
> Yes, the kbd or an internal connection is now damaged.  A small 
> wireless bluetooth kdb might be an answer, MS have a very nice tiny 
> bluetooth kdb and mouse set.
>
> Mark
>
>
>
>
> On 9 December 2013 14:35, Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:
>
> > Why didn't I think of this before?  I plugged a USB keyboard into 
> > the USB port of the mini - it installed.  I rebooted.  The external 
> > keyboard
> works.
> > Would you say this confirms that the Mini's keyboard is hosed?
> >
> > Rocky
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark 
> > Breen
> > Sent: Monday, December 09, 2013 1:45 AM
> > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Keyboard Problem
> >
> > Hi Rocky
> >
> > I would bet $50 it is the ribbon cable / connector.  Before I spend 
> > the $15 though, I would remove it and re-connect it one more time, 
> > just doing that might make it work for another 5 years.
> >
> > If not, then it is a broken cable / connection and nothing for it 
> > but a new keyboard.  Of course there is one other possibility of a 
> > dry joint on the pcb itself, but again only way to really find out 
> > is replace the keyboard and cable.
> >
> > good luck,
> >
> > Mark
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 9 December 2013 05:31, Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Thank you - good idea, but no cigar. Uninstalled - it reinstalled
> itself.
> > > No change.  But you showed me that it's probably not the driver.
> > >
> > > R
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Paul 
> > > Hartland
> > > Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2013 9:03 PM
> > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Keyboard Problem
> > >
> > > Rocky,
> > >
> > > Have you tried going to device manager, expand keyboards, and 
> > > uninstalling the keyboard, then right click and scan for hardware 
> > > changes to try and re-install.
> > >
> > > Paul
> > >
> > >
> > > On 9 December 2013 01:19, Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Dear List:
> > > >
> > > > I recently replaced the fan and heat sink on an HP mini 210 - it 
> > > > was making a grinding noise.  Now I have a problem with the key
> board.
> > > > I do not know if the problem with the keyboard existed before I 
> > > > replaced the fan - which required removing the keyboard.
> > > >
> > > > I have reseated the ZIF connector and it looks like it's lined 
> > > > up right - it's hard to miss with those. What I'm wondering is 
> > > > if it's the keyboard or it there's anything else that could be 
> > > > wrong that replacing the keyboard won't fix.  I can get a 
> > > > replacement for $15
> > > including shipping.
> > > >
> > > > The keys that won't work are
> > > >
> > > > Row 1 - Backspace
> > > > Row 2 - qwer uiop
> > > > Row 3 - gh '  (Enter works)
> > > > Row 4 - all work
> > > > Row 5 - arrow keys (ctrl and alt work)
> > > >
> > > > Any ideas of anything else that might be wrong with this other 
> > > > than the prime suspect?
> > > >
> > > > MTIA
> > > >
> > > > Rocky
> > > > d
> > > >
> > > >
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> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Tue Dec 10 16:22:32 2013
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2013 17:22:32 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] What I hate about Linux
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1iQW3nQiiVdVrzzqSFKF91w7QVpwbprDLZqdqVoCFMU_Q@mail.gmail.com>

The following link describes how to uninstall and then re-install a
corrupted version of MySQL 5.x on Linux.

http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/linux-completely-reinstall-mysql-server/

Compare that to the Windows 3-step:
1. Back up the data directory.
2. Un-install the program.
3. Install the program

Or even worse, the 1-click recovery, as in Office or SQL Server or numerous
other programs:
1. Repair.

This article is an excellent summary of why Windows continues to win the
battle for the desktop. As soon as something goes wrong, the Linux user is
off into the frightening world of the command line -- and not once, not
twice, but several times.

The very least that vendors could do is add an icon to the desktop or the
menu. But apparently, that is stooping too low. As long as that situation
persists, Linux will never win the desktop, despite the admirable efforts
of the Ubuntu and Mint etc. boys. They are writing for the Highest Common
Denominator. Bill and Steve chose instead to write for the Lowest Common
Denominator.

I run them side by side almost always, and can see obvious advantages to
Linux, when everything goes well, but even then, could the vendors not
possibly supply an addition to the desktop that leads to Uninstall/Repair?
Talk about Shooting Yourself in the Foot! Maybe the real hurdle to surmount
is their collective refusal to recognize that Windows and Apple make it so
much simpler?
-- 
Arthur

From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Tue Dec 10 17:21:52 2013
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2013 15:21:52 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] What I hate about Linux
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1iQW3nQiiVdVrzzqSFKF91w7QVpwbprDLZqdqVoCFMU_Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1iQW3nQiiVdVrzzqSFKF91w7QVpwbprDLZqdqVoCFMU_Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4D748758-E6C7-47FF-A86D-F63827891140@phulse.com>


I wouldn?t classify that as an issue with Linux, but with MySQL (or whatever software it is you have frustrations with). You wouldn?t blame the OS for the software that was designed not to be user-friendly, right?

The same can be true for Windows as well. The 3 step process (backup, uninstall, reinstall) for Windows works in same cases, but, in my experience, it often doesn?t because you have additional layers of complexity under the hood (ie. the registry, dll?s, local settings, etc). Poorly designed Windows software can end up (and often do) requiring a longer process to fix the software.

Saying that, most Linux distros were not designed for IT people of the Windows flavour, who prefer a GUI over the command line. Some of them are though. You might want to take a look at OpenSuse, for instance. It is more user-friendly with lots of GUI tools to help you administer your server and software.

Personally, I don?t like that. In my opinion, the command line (bash, zsh, etc) trumps a GUI any day (which, I?m guessing, is why Microsoft introduced Powershell, because they saw that need).

- Hans




On Dec 10, 2013, at 2:22 PM, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com> wrote:

> The following link describes how to uninstall and then re-install a
> corrupted version of MySQL 5.x on Linux.
> 
> http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/linux-completely-reinstall-mysql-server/
> 
> Compare that to the Windows 3-step:
> 1. Back up the data directory.
> 2. Un-install the program.
> 3. Install the program
> 
> Or even worse, the 1-click recovery, as in Office or SQL Server or numerous
> other programs:
> 1. Repair.
> 
> This article is an excellent summary of why Windows continues to win the
> battle for the desktop. As soon as something goes wrong, the Linux user is
> off into the frightening world of the command line -- and not once, not
> twice, but several times.
> 
> The very least that vendors could do is add an icon to the desktop or the
> menu. But apparently, that is stooping too low. As long as that situation
> persists, Linux will never win the desktop, despite the admirable efforts
> of the Ubuntu and Mint etc. boys. They are writing for the Highest Common
> Denominator. Bill and Steve chose instead to write for the Lowest Common
> Denominator.
> 
> I run them side by side almost always, and can see obvious advantages to
> Linux, when everything goes well, but even then, could the vendors not
> possibly supply an addition to the desktop that leads to Uninstall/Repair?
> Talk about Shooting Yourself in the Foot! Maybe the real hurdle to surmount
> is their collective refusal to recognize that Windows and Apple make it so
> much simpler?
> -- 
> Arthur
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com



From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Tue Dec 10 17:44:10 2013
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2013 18:44:10 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] What I hate about Linux
In-Reply-To: <4D748758-E6C7-47FF-A86D-F63827891140@phulse.com>
References: <CAEPJO1iQW3nQiiVdVrzzqSFKF91w7QVpwbprDLZqdqVoCFMU_Q@mail.gmail.com>
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Don't get me wrong, Hans. I can deal with the various distros and have the
scars to prove it. I meant my mother and your grandfather and their ilk. It
just pisses me off that following an installation of just about anything on
just about any Linux, none if any automatically create a symlink or
shortcut etc. on their menu systems or start-bar, leaving the average user
with the mystified question, "Ok, but where is it?"

You and I and many people on this list know how to handle this, but unless
my mom and your grandfather also know, my point stands, IMO.

A.


On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 6:21 PM, Hans-Christian Andersen <
hans.andersen at phulse.com> wrote:

>
> I wouldn?t classify that as an issue with Linux, but with MySQL (or
> whatever software it is you have frustrations with). You wouldn?t blame the
> OS for the software that was designed not to be user-friendly, right?
>
> The same can be true for Windows as well. The 3 step process (backup,
> uninstall, reinstall) for Windows works in same cases, but, in my
> experience, it often doesn?t because you have additional layers of
> complexity under the hood (ie. the registry, dll?s, local settings, etc).
> Poorly designed Windows software can end up (and often do) requiring a
> longer process to fix the software.
>
> Saying that, most Linux distros were not designed for IT people of the
> Windows flavour, who prefer a GUI over the command line. Some of them are
> though. You might want to take a look at OpenSuse, for instance. It is more
> user-friendly with lots of GUI tools to help you administer your server and
> software.
>
> Personally, I don?t like that. In my opinion, the command line (bash, zsh,
> etc) trumps a GUI any day (which, I?m guessing, is why Microsoft introduced
> Powershell, because they saw that need).
>
> - Hans
>
>
>
>
> On Dec 10, 2013, at 2:22 PM, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > The following link describes how to uninstall and then re-install a
> > corrupted version of MySQL 5.x on Linux.
> >
> > http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/linux-completely-reinstall-mysql-server/
> >
> > Compare that to the Windows 3-step:
> > 1. Back up the data directory.
> > 2. Un-install the program.
> > 3. Install the program
> >
> > Or even worse, the 1-click recovery, as in Office or SQL Server or
> numerous
> > other programs:
> > 1. Repair.
> >
> > This article is an excellent summary of why Windows continues to win the
> > battle for the desktop. As soon as something goes wrong, the Linux user
> is
> > off into the frightening world of the command line -- and not once, not
> > twice, but several times.
> >
> > The very least that vendors could do is add an icon to the desktop or the
> > menu. But apparently, that is stooping too low. As long as that situation
> > persists, Linux will never win the desktop, despite the admirable efforts
> > of the Ubuntu and Mint etc. boys. They are writing for the Highest Common
> > Denominator. Bill and Steve chose instead to write for the Lowest Common
> > Denominator.
> >
> > I run them side by side almost always, and can see obvious advantages to
> > Linux, when everything goes well, but even then, could the vendors not
> > possibly supply an addition to the desktop that leads to
> Uninstall/Repair?
> > Talk about Shooting Yourself in the Foot! Maybe the real hurdle to
> surmount
> > is their collective refusal to recognize that Windows and Apple make it
> so
> > much simpler?
> > --
> > Arthur
> > _______________________________________________
> > dba-Tech mailing list
> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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>



-- 
Arthur

From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Tue Dec 10 17:47:27 2013
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2013 15:47:27 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] What I hate about Linux
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Hm, granted, I do not run Linux as a desktop on a daily basis, but I?m pretty sure that on Ubuntu and OpenSuse (and others) usually the newly installed software goes into the application menu. I guess, if the package maintainer is careless, that may not happen. That?s a quality assurance issue, for sure.

- Hans



On Dec 10, 2013, at 3:44 PM, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com> wrote:

> Don't get me wrong, Hans. I can deal with the various distros and have the
> scars to prove it. I meant my mother and your grandfather and their ilk. It
> just pisses me off that following an installation of just about anything on
> just about any Linux, none if any automatically create a symlink or
> shortcut etc. on their menu systems or start-bar, leaving the average user
> with the mystified question, "Ok, but where is it?"
> 
> You and I and many people on this list know how to handle this, but unless
> my mom and your grandfather also know, my point stands, IMO.
> 
> A.
> 
> 
> On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 6:21 PM, Hans-Christian Andersen <
> hans.andersen at phulse.com> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> I wouldn?t classify that as an issue with Linux, but with MySQL (or
>> whatever software it is you have frustrations with). You wouldn?t blame the
>> OS for the software that was designed not to be user-friendly, right?
>> 
>> The same can be true for Windows as well. The 3 step process (backup,
>> uninstall, reinstall) for Windows works in same cases, but, in my
>> experience, it often doesn?t because you have additional layers of
>> complexity under the hood (ie. the registry, dll?s, local settings, etc).
>> Poorly designed Windows software can end up (and often do) requiring a
>> longer process to fix the software.
>> 
>> Saying that, most Linux distros were not designed for IT people of the
>> Windows flavour, who prefer a GUI over the command line. Some of them are
>> though. You might want to take a look at OpenSuse, for instance. It is more
>> user-friendly with lots of GUI tools to help you administer your server and
>> software.
>> 
>> Personally, I don?t like that. In my opinion, the command line (bash, zsh,
>> etc) trumps a GUI any day (which, I?m guessing, is why Microsoft introduced
>> Powershell, because they saw that need).
>> 
>> - Hans
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Dec 10, 2013, at 2:22 PM, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> The following link describes how to uninstall and then re-install a
>>> corrupted version of MySQL 5.x on Linux.
>>> 
>>> http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/linux-completely-reinstall-mysql-server/
>>> 
>>> Compare that to the Windows 3-step:
>>> 1. Back up the data directory.
>>> 2. Un-install the program.
>>> 3. Install the program
>>> 
>>> Or even worse, the 1-click recovery, as in Office or SQL Server or
>> numerous
>>> other programs:
>>> 1. Repair.
>>> 
>>> This article is an excellent summary of why Windows continues to win the
>>> battle for the desktop. As soon as something goes wrong, the Linux user
>> is
>>> off into the frightening world of the command line -- and not once, not
>>> twice, but several times.
>>> 
>>> The very least that vendors could do is add an icon to the desktop or the
>>> menu. But apparently, that is stooping too low. As long as that situation
>>> persists, Linux will never win the desktop, despite the admirable efforts
>>> of the Ubuntu and Mint etc. boys. They are writing for the Highest Common
>>> Denominator. Bill and Steve chose instead to write for the Lowest Common
>>> Denominator.
>>> 
>>> I run them side by side almost always, and can see obvious advantages to
>>> Linux, when everything goes well, but even then, could the vendors not
>>> possibly supply an addition to the desktop that leads to
>> Uninstall/Repair?
>>> Talk about Shooting Yourself in the Foot! Maybe the real hurdle to
>> surmount
>>> is their collective refusal to recognize that Windows and Apple make it
>> so
>>> much simpler?
>>> --
>>> Arthur
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> dba-Tech mailing list
>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> dba-Tech mailing list
>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Arthur
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com



From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Tue Dec 10 18:14:53 2013
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2013 19:14:53 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] What I hate about Linux
In-Reply-To: <3DAAFF45-3354-453E-B928-D5A4810DC897@phulse.com>
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Message-ID: <CAEPJO1iu534=7b9jOk7HditWogGknzDAWYpazPFOtnA9UUk7ZQ@mail.gmail.com>

I agree. A few months back I scored a serious laptop for, by CDN standards,
peanuts (i5 chip, 8GB RAM, 1TB hard disk, USB 3.0, and a gorgeous monitor.
I was tempted to set it up as dual-boot but chickened out and instead it
runs Ubuntu and Mint and whatever in VirtualBox VMs, but with 8GB of RAM,
the VMs run quicker than my ancient 4GB dual-boot. And I'm almost always
running the fancy laptop in that configuration, and I love it.

My only point is that you and I know what we're doing, and my mom and your
neighbour haven't a clue. To phrase it another way, this explains the
triumph of the tablet and smart phone over the traditional PC. You and I
can agree that it is far better to develop an Android app on a PC and then
deploy it, but by then their eyes are glazed and they're reaching for the
TV remote or the Bailey's bottle and are content to fall gently asleep.
Smart phones and tablets are leading the charge, in dollars and consumption
and user-demands. Yes, yes, yes, Android is built on Linux and blablabla,
let's leave the techies to discuss, I just want The Simpsons on my phone.
Etc.

Speaking of The Simpsons, I recently saw a couple of new episodes that
almost made me fall out of my chair laughing. Those people defy the law of
TV gravity. How old is that series? 20+ years at a casual guess. And it
just doesn't grow stale! How do they do it? It's a mystery. But they do it.
It stays hilarious and pointed and the graphics just get better and better.
I'm in awe of what they do. They're better than Steve Jobs. And speaking of
whom, I've grown a whole new respect for Ashton Kucher. I thought he was
splendid as Jobs.

This has veered into OT territory, I fear. So I'll come up with a question
to bring it back into this realm: I've been having a few problems with
implementing advanced ribbons in Access 2007+. Anyone on this list an
expert on this? Specifically, I want to validate/invalidate all the
controls on a given ribbon, depending on a condition. I.e. If Condition is
True, validate this, that and the other control's condition False. Etc. I'm
guessing that the ribbon controls and in fact the collection of ribbons are
Collections, and I could walk them with a For Each construct, but I'm a tad
out of my depth here. Working on it with test-code, but unsure of every
move I make.

Whew. We're back on topic.


On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 6:47 PM, Hans-Christian Andersen <
hans.andersen at phulse.com> wrote:

> Hm, granted, I do not run Linux as a desktop on a daily basis, but I?m
> pretty sure that on Ubuntu and OpenSuse (and others) usually the newly
> installed software goes into the application menu. I guess, if the package
> maintainer is careless, that may not happen. That?s a quality assurance
> issue, for sure.
>
> - Hans
>
>
>
> On Dec 10, 2013, at 3:44 PM, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Don't get me wrong, Hans. I can deal with the various distros and have
> the
> > scars to prove it. I meant my mother and your grandfather and their ilk.
> It
> > just pisses me off that following an installation of just about anything
> on
> > just about any Linux, none if any automatically create a symlink or
> > shortcut etc. on their menu systems or start-bar, leaving the average
> user
> > with the mystified question, "Ok, but where is it?"
> >
> > You and I and many people on this list know how to handle this, but
> unless
> > my mom and your grandfather also know, my point stands, IMO.
> >
> > A.
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 6:21 PM, Hans-Christian Andersen <
> > hans.andersen at phulse.com> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> I wouldn?t classify that as an issue with Linux, but with MySQL (or
> >> whatever software it is you have frustrations with). You wouldn?t blame
> the
> >> OS for the software that was designed not to be user-friendly, right?
> >>
> >> The same can be true for Windows as well. The 3 step process (backup,
> >> uninstall, reinstall) for Windows works in same cases, but, in my
> >> experience, it often doesn?t because you have additional layers of
> >> complexity under the hood (ie. the registry, dll?s, local settings,
> etc).
> >> Poorly designed Windows software can end up (and often do) requiring a
> >> longer process to fix the software.
> >>
> >> Saying that, most Linux distros were not designed for IT people of the
> >> Windows flavour, who prefer a GUI over the command line. Some of them
> are
> >> though. You might want to take a look at OpenSuse, for instance. It is
> more
> >> user-friendly with lots of GUI tools to help you administer your server
> and
> >> software.
> >>
> >> Personally, I don?t like that. In my opinion, the command line (bash,
> zsh,
> >> etc) trumps a GUI any day (which, I?m guessing, is why Microsoft
> introduced
> >> Powershell, because they saw that need).
> >>
> >> - Hans
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Dec 10, 2013, at 2:22 PM, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> The following link describes how to uninstall and then re-install a
> >>> corrupted version of MySQL 5.x on Linux.
> >>>
> >>> http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/linux-completely-reinstall-mysql-server/
> >>>
> >>> Compare that to the Windows 3-step:
> >>> 1. Back up the data directory.
> >>> 2. Un-install the program.
> >>> 3. Install the program
> >>>
> >>> Or even worse, the 1-click recovery, as in Office or SQL Server or
> >> numerous
> >>> other programs:
> >>> 1. Repair.
> >>>
> >>> This article is an excellent summary of why Windows continues to win
> the
> >>> battle for the desktop. As soon as something goes wrong, the Linux user
> >> is
> >>> off into the frightening world of the command line -- and not once, not
> >>> twice, but several times.
> >>>
> >>> The very least that vendors could do is add an icon to the desktop or
> the
> >>> menu. But apparently, that is stooping too low. As long as that
> situation
> >>> persists, Linux will never win the desktop, despite the admirable
> efforts
> >>> of the Ubuntu and Mint etc. boys. They are writing for the Highest
> Common
> >>> Denominator. Bill and Steve chose instead to write for the Lowest
> Common
> >>> Denominator.
> >>>
> >>> I run them side by side almost always, and can see obvious advantages
> to
> >>> Linux, when everything goes well, but even then, could the vendors not
> >>> possibly supply an addition to the desktop that leads to
> >> Uninstall/Repair?
> >>> Talk about Shooting Yourself in the Foot! Maybe the real hurdle to
> >> surmount
> >>> is their collective refusal to recognize that Windows and Apple make it
> >> so
> >>> much simpler?
> >>> --
> >>> Arthur
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> dba-Tech mailing list
> >>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> dba-Tech mailing list
> >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Arthur
> > _______________________________________________
> > dba-Tech mailing list
> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>



-- 
Arthur

From peter.brawley at earthlink.net  Tue Dec 10 20:52:46 2013
From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley)
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2013 20:52:46 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] What I hate about Linux
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1iQW3nQiiVdVrzzqSFKF91w7QVpwbprDLZqdqVoCFMU_Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1iQW3nQiiVdVrzzqSFKF91w7QVpwbprDLZqdqVoCFMU_Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <52A7D37E.60006@earthlink.net>

On 2013-12-10 4:22 PM, Arthur Fuller wrote:
> The following link describes how to uninstall and then re-install a
> corrupted version of MySQL 5.x on Linux.
>
> http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/linux-completely-reinstall-mysql-server/

Yes, that looks sound & complete.

>
> Compare that to the Windows 3-step:
> 1. Back up the data directory.
> 2. Un-install the program.
> 3. Install the program

For MySQL, that's neither sound nor complete; it'll often fail.

>
> Or even worse, the 1-click recovery, as in Office or SQL Server or numerous
> other programs:
> 1. Repair.

It's much more difficult to write a comprehensive GUI interface for 
RDBMS maintenance than it is to write just the maintenance logic and 
stub its atoms out to a commandline, so the comprehensive GUIs of SQL 
Server & Oracle costs big bucks.

>
> This article is an excellent summary of why Windows continues to win the
> battle for the desktop. As soon as something goes wrong, the Linux user is
> off into the frightening world of the command line -- and not once, not
> twice, but several times.

Users who're frightened by the commandline shouldn't try to manage 
MySQL, or MariaDB, or PostGres &c installations. They have two 
choices---hire a MySQL DBA, or pay for something like SQL Server.

>
> The very least that vendors could do is add an icon to the desktop or the
> menu. But apparently, that is stooping too low. As long as that situation
> persists, Linux will never win the desktop, despite the admirable efforts
> of the Ubuntu and Mint etc. boys. They are writing for the Highest Common
> Denominator. Bill and Steve chose instead to write for the Lowest Common
> Denominator.

If a user can't find the commandline, see above.

>
> I run them side by side almost always, and can see obvious advantages to
> Linux, when everything goes well, but even then, could the vendors not
> possibly supply an addition to the desktop that leads to Uninstall/Repair?
> Talk about Shooting Yourself in the Foot! Maybe the real hurdle to surmount
> is their collective refusal to recognize that Windows and Apple make it so
> much simpler?

Apple has a comprehensive DB interface? What is it?

For Windows RDBMSs, that simplicity comes at an understandable price of 
something like $5-10K/seat.

PB



From peter.brawley at earthlink.net  Tue Dec 10 20:57:14 2013
From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley)
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2013 20:57:14 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] What I hate about Linux
In-Reply-To: <4D748758-E6C7-47FF-A86D-F63827891140@phulse.com>
References: <CAEPJO1iQW3nQiiVdVrzzqSFKF91w7QVpwbprDLZqdqVoCFMU_Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<4D748758-E6C7-47FF-A86D-F63827891140@phulse.com>
Message-ID: <52A7D48A.1050705@earthlink.net>

On 2013-12-10 5:21 PM, Hans-Christian Andersen wrote:
> I wouldn?t classify that as an issue with Linux, but with MySQL (or whatever software it is you have frustrations with). You wouldn?t blame the OS for the software that was designed not to be user-friendly, right?
>
> The same can be true for Windows as well. The 3 step process (backup, uninstall, reinstall) for Windows works in same cases, but, in my experience, it often doesn?t because you have additional layers of complexity under the hood (ie. the registry, dll?s, local settings, etc). Poorly designed Windows software can end up (and often do) requiring a longer process to fix the software.
>
> Saying that, most Linux distros were not designed for IT people of the Windows flavour, who prefer a GUI over the command line. Some of them are though. You might want to take a look at OpenSuse, for instance. It is more user-friendly with lots of GUI tools to help you administer your server and software.

Including MySQL, which has a blizzard of complexities controlled by 
about 600 config options, none of which were designed with Windows in 
mind (thank goodness).

>
> Personally, I don?t like that. In my opinion, the command line (bash, zsh, etc) trumps a GUI any day (which, I?m guessing, is why Microsoft introduced Powershell, because they saw that need).

I agree.

PB

-----

>
> - Hans
>
>
>
>
> On Dec 10, 2013, at 2:22 PM, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> The following link describes how to uninstall and then re-install a
>> corrupted version of MySQL 5.x on Linux.
>>
>> http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/linux-completely-reinstall-mysql-server/
>>
>> Compare that to the Windows 3-step:
>> 1. Back up the data directory.
>> 2. Un-install the program.
>> 3. Install the program
>>
>> Or even worse, the 1-click recovery, as in Office or SQL Server or numerous
>> other programs:
>> 1. Repair.
>>
>> This article is an excellent summary of why Windows continues to win the
>> battle for the desktop. As soon as something goes wrong, the Linux user is
>> off into the frightening world of the command line -- and not once, not
>> twice, but several times.
>>
>> The very least that vendors could do is add an icon to the desktop or the
>> menu. But apparently, that is stooping too low. As long as that situation
>> persists, Linux will never win the desktop, despite the admirable efforts
>> of the Ubuntu and Mint etc. boys. They are writing for the Highest Common
>> Denominator. Bill and Steve chose instead to write for the Lowest Common
>> Denominator.
>>
>> I run them side by side almost always, and can see obvious advantages to
>> Linux, when everything goes well, but even then, could the vendors not
>> possibly supply an addition to the desktop that leads to Uninstall/Repair?
>> Talk about Shooting Yourself in the Foot! Maybe the real hurdle to surmount
>> is their collective refusal to recognize that Windows and Apple make it so
>> much simpler?
>> -- 
>> Arthur
>> _______________________________________________
>> dba-Tech mailing list
>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>


From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Dec 10 22:37:19 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2013 21:37:19 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [dba-Tech] What I hate about Linux
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1iQW3nQiiVdVrzzqSFKF91w7QVpwbprDLZqdqVoCFMU_Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <45595123.88775641.1386736639873.JavaMail.root@cds002>

Hi Arthur:

Let's be honest Arthur...our parents or grandparents couldn't even run Windows.

Most people, our age, outside of the IT crowd, had to have their computers initially setup for them and if any software went sideways that is when I got a call. All people my age have been working with Windows computers for going on twenty years and if they are still having difficulties with simple tasks, it just goes to show Darwin was right.

As for your problem with Linux, you should probably be using Ubuntu 13.x.

First: The user, if he/she is a first timer should not be using the Administrator username. This means that all applications installed will be installed to the client's home directory. This means any files can be easily added and removed. (The only thing that might confuse a beginner is that some directories and files are hidden...for good reason. See below for solution.)

Second: The home directories are automatically or with a couple of simple replies to prompts, setup a continuous, in the background backup/synchronization to your Ubuntu One Cloud. Setting up full backups are equally brain-dead simple. There is a backup application named "backup" that, at assigned intervals or immediately, backup the contents of any directory or the whole computer for that matter to an attached backup storage, through a USB connection, network cable or even across the net. The backups are serialized so that a recovery can be made from various dated backups or from individual files. It is all one click and select to recovery from either backup.

Third: Installing or removing a piece of software is super simple. Just click on the Ubuntu Software Centre button, enter "MySQL", or you can page to it and it will show you the product, to install or uninstall and ask whether you wish to install or remove it.         

Notes: 
Once a piece of software is installed, at regular intervals (default or selected), the Software Updater, from the Software Centre will keep your product current.

What basic user will be installing and running MySQL? It is on the level (maybe more) with MS SQL. With three database engines and a capability of handling millions of pieces of data (it use to run Facebook), it is hardly a beginner's product.

A user can unhide a directory(ies) by just right-mouse-clicking, at the place of the file of directory and then select hide or unhide from the popdown menu. Same thing as Windows just not as difficult for a first time user to find.

Normally, a program running is added to the launcher side bar. If the application is to be used continuously then just be right-mouse-clicking, the application icon can lock it to the bar. For more fancy floating program icons, click the Ubuntu Software Centre, enter an app name "Create Launcher" and press install. From then on you can dump icons attached to programs anywhere you want.

As you have notice no where did it require the use of the terminal or command prompt. A year or so ago I installed half a network in Ubuntu Linux. I have not heard from them in six months and the staff is quite happy with their new stations. Everything they needed for their job just works. There is a young lady there, in her early thirties and she never had used Linux before I showed up. Now she has the whole networked tricked up and probably knows more than I do. 

Jim     

  
----- Original Message -----
From: "Arthur Fuller" <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
To: "Peter Brawley" <peter.brawley at gmail.com>, "Peter Simpson" <petersimpson at powergate.ca>, "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2013 2:22:32 PM
Subject: [dba-Tech] What I hate about Linux

The following link describes how to uninstall and then re-install a
corrupted version of MySQL 5.x on Linux.

http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/linux-completely-reinstall-mysql-server/

Compare that to the Windows 3-step:
1. Back up the data directory.
2. Un-install the program.
3. Install the program

Or even worse, the 1-click recovery, as in Office or SQL Server or numerous
other programs:
1. Repair.

This article is an excellent summary of why Windows continues to win the
battle for the desktop. As soon as something goes wrong, the Linux user is
off into the frightening world of the command line -- and not once, not
twice, but several times.

The very least that vendors could do is add an icon to the desktop or the
menu. But apparently, that is stooping too low. As long as that situation
persists, Linux will never win the desktop, despite the admirable efforts
of the Ubuntu and Mint etc. boys. They are writing for the Highest Common
Denominator. Bill and Steve chose instead to write for the Lowest Common
Denominator.

I run them side by side almost always, and can see obvious advantages to
Linux, when everything goes well, but even then, could the vendors not
possibly supply an addition to the desktop that leads to Uninstall/Repair?
Talk about Shooting Yourself in the Foot! Maybe the real hurdle to surmount
is their collective refusal to recognize that Windows and Apple make it so
much simpler?
-- 
Arthur
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Dec 10 22:39:19 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2013 21:39:19 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [dba-Tech] What I hate about Linux
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1iu534=7b9jOk7HditWogGknzDAWYpazPFOtnA9UUk7ZQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <304488080.88777766.1386736759081.JavaMail.root@cds002>

Hi Arthur:

Have you been following the conversations on the DBA-Accessd list?

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Arthur Fuller" <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2013 4:14:53 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] What I hate about Linux

I agree. A few months back I scored a serious laptop for, by CDN standards,
peanuts (i5 chip, 8GB RAM, 1TB hard disk, USB 3.0, and a gorgeous monitor.
I was tempted to set it up as dual-boot but chickened out and instead it
runs Ubuntu and Mint and whatever in VirtualBox VMs, but with 8GB of RAM,
the VMs run quicker than my ancient 4GB dual-boot. And I'm almost always
running the fancy laptop in that configuration, and I love it.

My only point is that you and I know what we're doing, and my mom and your
neighbour haven't a clue. To phrase it another way, this explains the
triumph of the tablet and smart phone over the traditional PC. You and I
can agree that it is far better to develop an Android app on a PC and then
deploy it, but by then their eyes are glazed and they're reaching for the
TV remote or the Bailey's bottle and are content to fall gently asleep.
Smart phones and tablets are leading the charge, in dollars and consumption
and user-demands. Yes, yes, yes, Android is built on Linux and blablabla,
let's leave the techies to discuss, I just want The Simpsons on my phone.
Etc.

Speaking of The Simpsons, I recently saw a couple of new episodes that
almost made me fall out of my chair laughing. Those people defy the law of
TV gravity. How old is that series? 20+ years at a casual guess. And it
just doesn't grow stale! How do they do it? It's a mystery. But they do it.
It stays hilarious and pointed and the graphics just get better and better.
I'm in awe of what they do. They're better than Steve Jobs. And speaking of
whom, I've grown a whole new respect for Ashton Kucher. I thought he was
splendid as Jobs.

This has veered into OT territory, I fear. So I'll come up with a question
to bring it back into this realm: I've been having a few problems with
implementing advanced ribbons in Access 2007+. Anyone on this list an
expert on this? Specifically, I want to validate/invalidate all the
controls on a given ribbon, depending on a condition. I.e. If Condition is
True, validate this, that and the other control's condition False. Etc. I'm
guessing that the ribbon controls and in fact the collection of ribbons are
Collections, and I could walk them with a For Each construct, but I'm a tad
out of my depth here. Working on it with test-code, but unsure of every
move I make.

Whew. We're back on topic.


On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 6:47 PM, Hans-Christian Andersen <
hans.andersen at phulse.com> wrote:

> Hm, granted, I do not run Linux as a desktop on a daily basis, but I?m
> pretty sure that on Ubuntu and OpenSuse (and others) usually the newly
> installed software goes into the application menu. I guess, if the package
> maintainer is careless, that may not happen. That?s a quality assurance
> issue, for sure.
>
> - Hans
>
>
>
> On Dec 10, 2013, at 3:44 PM, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Don't get me wrong, Hans. I can deal with the various distros and have
> the
> > scars to prove it. I meant my mother and your grandfather and their ilk.
> It
> > just pisses me off that following an installation of just about anything
> on
> > just about any Linux, none if any automatically create a symlink or
> > shortcut etc. on their menu systems or start-bar, leaving the average
> user
> > with the mystified question, "Ok, but where is it?"
> >
> > You and I and many people on this list know how to handle this, but
> unless
> > my mom and your grandfather also know, my point stands, IMO.
> >
> > A.
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 6:21 PM, Hans-Christian Andersen <
> > hans.andersen at phulse.com> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> I wouldn?t classify that as an issue with Linux, but with MySQL (or
> >> whatever software it is you have frustrations with). You wouldn?t blame
> the
> >> OS for the software that was designed not to be user-friendly, right?
> >>
> >> The same can be true for Windows as well. The 3 step process (backup,
> >> uninstall, reinstall) for Windows works in same cases, but, in my
> >> experience, it often doesn?t because you have additional layers of
> >> complexity under the hood (ie. the registry, dll?s, local settings,
> etc).
> >> Poorly designed Windows software can end up (and often do) requiring a
> >> longer process to fix the software.
> >>
> >> Saying that, most Linux distros were not designed for IT people of the
> >> Windows flavour, who prefer a GUI over the command line. Some of them
> are
> >> though. You might want to take a look at OpenSuse, for instance. It is
> more
> >> user-friendly with lots of GUI tools to help you administer your server
> and
> >> software.
> >>
> >> Personally, I don?t like that. In my opinion, the command line (bash,
> zsh,
> >> etc) trumps a GUI any day (which, I?m guessing, is why Microsoft
> introduced
> >> Powershell, because they saw that need).
> >>
> >> - Hans
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Dec 10, 2013, at 2:22 PM, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> The following link describes how to uninstall and then re-install a
> >>> corrupted version of MySQL 5.x on Linux.
> >>>
> >>> http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/linux-completely-reinstall-mysql-server/
> >>>
> >>> Compare that to the Windows 3-step:
> >>> 1. Back up the data directory.
> >>> 2. Un-install the program.
> >>> 3. Install the program
> >>>
> >>> Or even worse, the 1-click recovery, as in Office or SQL Server or
> >> numerous
> >>> other programs:
> >>> 1. Repair.
> >>>
> >>> This article is an excellent summary of why Windows continues to win
> the
> >>> battle for the desktop. As soon as something goes wrong, the Linux user
> >> is
> >>> off into the frightening world of the command line -- and not once, not
> >>> twice, but several times.
> >>>
> >>> The very least that vendors could do is add an icon to the desktop or
> the
> >>> menu. But apparently, that is stooping too low. As long as that
> situation
> >>> persists, Linux will never win the desktop, despite the admirable
> efforts
> >>> of the Ubuntu and Mint etc. boys. They are writing for the Highest
> Common
> >>> Denominator. Bill and Steve chose instead to write for the Lowest
> Common
> >>> Denominator.
> >>>
> >>> I run them side by side almost always, and can see obvious advantages
> to
> >>> Linux, when everything goes well, but even then, could the vendors not
> >>> possibly supply an addition to the desktop that leads to
> >> Uninstall/Repair?
> >>> Talk about Shooting Yourself in the Foot! Maybe the real hurdle to
> >> surmount
> >>> is their collective refusal to recognize that Windows and Apple make it
> >> so
> >>> much simpler?
> >>> --
> >>> Arthur
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> dba-Tech mailing list
> >>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> dba-Tech mailing list
> >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Dec 10 23:32:46 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2013 22:32:46 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [dba-Tech] What I hate about Linux
In-Reply-To: <52A7D37E.60006@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <619708114.88810617.1386739966383.JavaMail.root@cds002>

Hi Peter:

Aside: For the user who just wants a simple database, with tables, forms, reports, macros and attaches to a variety of mail and many relational databases like MS Access, MySQL, PostgreSQL, Oracle, Address books, ADO, spreadsheets, text files and so and so on...there is LibreOffice 4.1 BASE, for power users...all GUI.

Jim  

----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Brawley" <peter.brawley at earthlink.net>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2013 6:52:46 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] What I hate about Linux

On 2013-12-10 4:22 PM, Arthur Fuller wrote:
> The following link describes how to uninstall and then re-install a
> corrupted version of MySQL 5.x on Linux.
>
> http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/linux-completely-reinstall-mysql-server/

Yes, that looks sound & complete.

>
> Compare that to the Windows 3-step:
> 1. Back up the data directory.
> 2. Un-install the program.
> 3. Install the program

For MySQL, that's neither sound nor complete; it'll often fail.

>
> Or even worse, the 1-click recovery, as in Office or SQL Server or numerous
> other programs:
> 1. Repair.

It's much more difficult to write a comprehensive GUI interface for 
RDBMS maintenance than it is to write just the maintenance logic and 
stub its atoms out to a commandline, so the comprehensive GUIs of SQL 
Server & Oracle costs big bucks.

>
> This article is an excellent summary of why Windows continues to win the
> battle for the desktop. As soon as something goes wrong, the Linux user is
> off into the frightening world of the command line -- and not once, not
> twice, but several times.

Users who're frightened by the commandline shouldn't try to manage 
MySQL, or MariaDB, or PostGres &c installations. They have two 
choices---hire a MySQL DBA, or pay for something like SQL Server.

>
> The very least that vendors could do is add an icon to the desktop or the
> menu. But apparently, that is stooping too low. As long as that situation
> persists, Linux will never win the desktop, despite the admirable efforts
> of the Ubuntu and Mint etc. boys. They are writing for the Highest Common
> Denominator. Bill and Steve chose instead to write for the Lowest Common
> Denominator.

If a user can't find the commandline, see above.

>
> I run them side by side almost always, and can see obvious advantages to
> Linux, when everything goes well, but even then, could the vendors not
> possibly supply an addition to the desktop that leads to Uninstall/Repair?
> Talk about Shooting Yourself in the Foot! Maybe the real hurdle to surmount
> is their collective refusal to recognize that Windows and Apple make it so
> much simpler?

Apple has a comprehensive DB interface? What is it?

For Windows RDBMSs, that simplicity comes at an understandable price of 
something like $5-10K/seat.

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From peter.brawley at earthlink.net  Wed Dec 11 03:46:28 2013
From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley)
Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2013 03:46:28 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] What I hate about Linux
In-Reply-To: <619708114.88810617.1386739966383.JavaMail.root@cds002>
References: <619708114.88810617.1386739966383.JavaMail.root@cds002>
Message-ID: <52A83474.1070102@earthlink.net>

On 2013-12-10 11:32 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote:
> Hi Peter:
>
> Aside: For the user who just wants a simple database, with tables, forms, reports, macros and attaches to a variety of mail and many relational databases like MS Access, MySQL, PostgreSQL, Oracle, Address books, ADO, spreadsheets, text files and so and so on...there is LibreOffice 4.1 BASE, for power users...all GUI.

Good point.

PB

-----

>
> Jim
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Peter Brawley" <peter.brawley at earthlink.net>
> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2013 6:52:46 PM
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] What I hate about Linux
>
> On 2013-12-10 4:22 PM, Arthur Fuller wrote:
>> The following link describes how to uninstall and then re-install a
>> corrupted version of MySQL 5.x on Linux.
>>
>> http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/linux-completely-reinstall-mysql-server/
> Yes, that looks sound & complete.
>
>> Compare that to the Windows 3-step:
>> 1. Back up the data directory.
>> 2. Un-install the program.
>> 3. Install the program
> For MySQL, that's neither sound nor complete; it'll often fail.
>
>> Or even worse, the 1-click recovery, as in Office or SQL Server or numerous
>> other programs:
>> 1. Repair.
> It's much more difficult to write a comprehensive GUI interface for
> RDBMS maintenance than it is to write just the maintenance logic and
> stub its atoms out to a commandline, so the comprehensive GUIs of SQL
> Server & Oracle costs big bucks.
>
>> This article is an excellent summary of why Windows continues to win the
>> battle for the desktop. As soon as something goes wrong, the Linux user is
>> off into the frightening world of the command line -- and not once, not
>> twice, but several times.
> Users who're frightened by the commandline shouldn't try to manage
> MySQL, or MariaDB, or PostGres &c installations. They have two
> choices---hire a MySQL DBA, or pay for something like SQL Server.
>
>> The very least that vendors could do is add an icon to the desktop or the
>> menu. But apparently, that is stooping too low. As long as that situation
>> persists, Linux will never win the desktop, despite the admirable efforts
>> of the Ubuntu and Mint etc. boys. They are writing for the Highest Common
>> Denominator. Bill and Steve chose instead to write for the Lowest Common
>> Denominator.
> If a user can't find the commandline, see above.
>
>> I run them side by side almost always, and can see obvious advantages to
>> Linux, when everything goes well, but even then, could the vendors not
>> possibly supply an addition to the desktop that leads to Uninstall/Repair?
>> Talk about Shooting Yourself in the Foot! Maybe the real hurdle to surmount
>> is their collective refusal to recognize that Windows and Apple make it so
>> much simpler?
> Apple has a comprehensive DB interface? What is it?
>
> For Windows RDBMSs, that simplicity comes at an understandable price of
> something like $5-10K/seat.
>
> PB
>
>
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From peter.brawley at earthlink.net  Thu Dec 12 22:31:19 2013
From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley)
Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2013 22:31:19 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] software that traces stolen phones, tablet, laptops
Message-ID: <52AA8D97.5040607@earthlink.net>

It'd be a terrific xmas gift, if it works. The best known one seems to 
be Absolute LoJack. Anybody know anything about how the product & the 
company perform?

PB

From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Fri Dec 13 04:51:09 2013
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2013 14:51:09 +0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?FYI=3A_=22ReadWrite=2Ecom=22_-_Software_May_?=
 =?utf-8?q?Be_Eating_The_World=2C_But_Open_Source_Software_Is_Eating_Itsel?=
 =?utf-8?q?f?=
Message-ID: <1386931869.34412071@f42.i.mail.ru>

 Hi All --

FYI:?"ReadWrite.com" - Software May Be Eating The World, But Open Source Software Is Eating Itself

http://readwrite.com/2013/12/12/open-source-innovation#awesm=~opTdoxBnBY2TUT



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From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Fri Dec 13 05:18:53 2013
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2013 15:18:53 +0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?Understanding_the_Real-World_Performance_of_?=
 =?utf-8?q?your_Web_Application_Across_IE11_and_Other_Browsers?=
Message-ID: <1386933533.952150335@f42.i.mail.ru>

 Hi All --

FYI: " Understanding the Real-World Performance of your Web Application Across IE11 and Other Browsers"

http://blogs.msdn.com/b/ie/archive/2013/12/12/understanding-the-real-world-performance-of-your-web-application-across-ie11-and-other-browsers.aspx


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From peter.brawley at earthlink.net  Fri Dec 13 12:31:37 2013
From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley)
Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2013 12:31:37 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] FYI: "ReadWrite.com" - Software May Be Eating The
 World, But Open Source Software Is Eating Itself
In-Reply-To: <1386931869.34412071@f42.i.mail.ru>
References: <1386931869.34412071@f42.i.mail.ru>
Message-ID: <52AB5289.1050003@earthlink.net>

On 2013-12-13 4:51 AM, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote:
>   Hi All --
>
> FYI: "ReadWrite.com" - Software May Be Eating The World, But Open Source Software Is Eating Itself
>
> http://readwrite.com/2013/12/12/open-source-innovation#awesm=~opTdoxBnBY2TUT

Thx for that link. Wouldn't you say "no open-source project has 
guaranteed longevity" indicates vitality, the opposite of eating itself?

PB

From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Fri Dec 13 13:36:48 2013
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2013 14:36:48 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Not receiving email with attachments
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1ixrqQM0di+Fhrhz8VtU9cGWB77xj5z9Jt2A0vKs21jpQ@mail.gmail.com>

Several colleagues lately have sent me email with attachments, and I'm not
receiving the mail. They think that nothing went wrong, and I get no
message regarding failure or anything. It's just as if nothing happened.
I'm using gmail. I've checked the spam folder and nothing relevant there.
This is exasperating because some of it is work-related.

Anyone got an idea why this might occur? It seems to affect only messages
with attachments.

Maybe I should just open another account somewhere else. (Hmm... I think I
did that, over at Outlook.com, but now I can't recall the name I used.
Maybe I'll try creating another one there.

-- 
Arthur

From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Fri Dec 13 14:02:53 2013
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2013 15:02:53 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Outlook.com question
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1hPHi50upBHVU+gutyyfqGORzUeydomvsFy1=K_BJ8QqA@mail.gmail.com>

Is there any way to remove an account I just created at outlook.com? I
can't see an option, and Outlook.com just logs me into the one I want to
remove, so I seem to be prevented from creating another one.

-- 
Arthur

From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Fri Dec 13 14:30:31 2013
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2013 00:30:31 +0400
Subject: [dba-Tech]
 =?utf-8?q?FYI=3A_=22ReadWrite=2Ecom=22_-_Software_May_?=
 =?utf-8?q?Be_Eating_The_World=2C_But_Open_Source_Software_Is_Eating_Itsel?=
 =?utf-8?q?f?=
In-Reply-To: <52AB5289.1050003@earthlink.net>
References: <1386931869.34412071@f42.i.mail.ru>
	<52AB5289.1050003@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <1386966631.623514381@f31.i.mail.ru>

 Hi Peter --

Thank you for your remark. I have just posted the link, I didn't plan to start any discussion on the subject...
I'd say vivacity not vitality and vivacity for me doesn't imply longevity. I suppose this is what the authors mean by "OSS eating itself" - IOW very strong competition in the field of OSS without any guarantee to have any existing OSS program/package/platform/service/API/... to withstand this competition for a long time (What could be counted as a "long time" period is another open question here). 
Well, nor authors, nor myself imply that "closed source software" have any stronger "vitality" to guarantee its longevity in this accelerating world...

Thank you.

-- Shamil

Friday, December 13, 2013 12:31 PM -06:00 from Peter Brawley <peter.brawley at earthlink.net>:
>On 2013-12-13 4:51 AM, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote:
>>   Hi All --
>>
>> FYI: "ReadWrite.com" - Software May Be Eating The World, But Open Source Software Is Eating Itself
>>
>>  http://readwrite.com/2013/12/12/open-source-innovation#awesm=~opTdoxBnBY2TUT
>
>Thx for that link. Wouldn't you say "no open-source project has 
>guaranteed longevity" indicates vitality, the opposite of eating itself?
>
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Dec 13 19:16:24 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2013 18:16:24 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [dba-Tech] FYI: "ReadWrite.com" - Software May Be Eating The
 World, But Open Source Software Is Eating Itself
In-Reply-To: <1386931869.34412071@f42.i.mail.ru>
Message-ID: <690387924.92357427.1386983784820.JavaMail.root@cds002>

Hi Shamil:

The OSS market is really expanding at an incredible rate and it does not look like it is going to slow down any time soon. There are so many applications out there for any need that it be staggering just to find the right one. There are of course some wonderful pieces of software that are worth sticking with but things keep improving through no-stop rolling releases. It is difficult to know what piece of software is stable, leading edge or just bleeding edge.

There is no way a single company or even dozens of companies could produce applications, or related updates, at the current rate. Is this good or bad? ...I really do not know.    

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" <mcp2004 at mail.ru>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, December 13, 2013 2:51:09 AM
Subject: [dba-Tech] FYI: "ReadWrite.com" - Software May Be Eating The World, But Open Source Software Is Eating Itself

 Hi All --

FYI:?"ReadWrite.com" - Software May Be Eating The World, But Open Source Software Is Eating Itself

http://readwrite.com/2013/12/12/open-source-innovation#awesm=~opTdoxBnBY2TUT



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From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Dec 13 19:49:02 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2013 18:49:02 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Open source is safer,
	and Linux is more secure than any other OS?
In-Reply-To: <1386933533.952150335@f42.i.mail.ru>
Message-ID: <1684813367.92373552.1386985742123.JavaMail.root@cds002>

Hi All:

According to the Linux Foundation executive director:

http://venturebeat.com/2013/11/26/linux-chief-open-source-is-safer-and-linux-is-more-secure-than-any-other-os-exclusive/

Is this assumption right or wrong?

Jim

From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Dec 13 20:12:45 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2013 19:12:45 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Blackberries are safest?
In-Reply-To: <1684813367.92373552.1386985742123.JavaMail.root@cds002>
Message-ID: <1594068154.92386462.1386987165603.JavaMail.root@cds002>

H All:

The US president can use a cell phone as long as it is a Blackberry. The reasons sited for not using other market products is because of security, lack of encryption and no single central control point. In these days of the NSA who can you trust.

http://www.tomsguide.com/us/why-obama-cant-use-iphone,news-17949.html

Aside: The core to the Blackberry code, much like Apple used BSD, came from version of UNIX called QNX. (It is also used by the local observatory.) 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QNX

Jim

From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Dec 13 21:59:08 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2013 20:59:08 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Understanding the Real-World Performance of your Web
 Application Across IE11 and Other Browsers
In-Reply-To: <1386933533.952150335@f42.i.mail.ru>
Message-ID: <586072388.92458097.1386993548476.JavaMail.root@cds002>

Hi Shamil:

I could run the test against Chrome and Firefox but not IE11. Each browser had it own features and related speeds. It is hard to say which browser is better. I think for raw speed Chrome wins out but load and calculation speeds are very similar. 

Jim

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From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" <mcp2004 at mail.ru>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, December 13, 2013 3:18:53 AM
Subject: [dba-Tech] Understanding the Real-World Performance of your Web Application Across IE11 and Other Browsers

 Hi All --

FYI: " Understanding the Real-World Performance of your Web Application Across IE11 and Other Browsers"

http://blogs.msdn.com/b/ie/archive/2013/12/12/understanding-the-real-world-performance-of-your-web-application-across-ie11-and-other-browsers.aspx


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From peter.brawley at earthlink.net  Fri Dec 13 22:09:35 2013
From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley)
Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2013 22:09:35 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Open source is safer,
 and Linux is more secure than any other OS?
In-Reply-To: <1684813367.92373552.1386985742123.JavaMail.root@cds002>
References: <1684813367.92373552.1386985742123.JavaMail.root@cds002>
Message-ID: <52ABD9FF.2020407@earthlink.net>

On 2013-12-13 7:49 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote:
> Hi All:
>
> According to the Linux Foundation executive director:
>
> http://venturebeat.com/2013/11/26/linux-chief-open-source-is-safer-and-linux-is-more-secure-than-any-other-os-exclusive/
>
> Is this assumption right or wrong?

"The whole world can see every line of code in Linux. This is one of the 
reasons Linux is more secure than other operating systems and why 
open-source software overall is a safer than closed software. The 
transparency of the code ensures it's secure."

"It's very difficult to insert something into the kernel that would 
violate privacy and freedom without thousands of developers noticing. 
The nature of Linux is that it's self-policing."

It's not a deductive truth, but it's a plausible empirical claim that 
fits what we see year after year.

Seems to me with respect to Windows there's a mirror image claim. Not 
only does M$oft have just one building full of debuggers, as opposed to 
OSS software having a worldful; Windows software is designed such that 
everything can connect intimately to everything else---if you can get 
past M$oft eyes, you may be home-free to do widespread mischief.

PB

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Dec 13 22:29:18 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2013 21:29:18 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Can Microsoft just let go for a moment?
In-Reply-To: <52ABD9FF.2020407@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <892455336.92473645.1386995358565.JavaMail.root@cds002>

Hi All:

I was trying to help a friend out with his attempting to get a full and legal Hyper-V system up and running and he is just about ready to toss in the towel. Just ran across this article and it seems to say it all.

http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2013/12/12/feature_microsoft_caught_in_virtual_monkey_trap

Microsoft is not doing itself any favours...I wonder if the next set of MS management will have the courage and the comprehension to see the light?

Jim 

From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Dec 13 22:43:13 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2013 21:43:13 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Open source is safer,
 and Linux is more secure than any other OS?
In-Reply-To: <52ABD9FF.2020407@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <1226874652.92479079.1386996193713.JavaMail.root@cds002>

Hi Peter:

That seems to be a good explanation. 

Aside: With folks like the NSA and it dozens of other look-alikes spawning from ever corner of the globe, security is so important. 

According to one fellow who has worked at Microsoft for five years; he said that coding there is like nothing you will ever see anywhere else. He suggested that if someone put a back door in that spaghetti code, the whole thing would collapse. He is now a Linux developer and says OS coding is very different...if you scramble and post your code, within an hour, you are getting flamed from every direction. He said it was like being fat and out-of-shape on a nudist beach...everyone can see and in the IT world no one holds back.   

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Brawley" <peter.brawley at earthlink.net>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, December 13, 2013 8:09:35 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Open source is safer, and Linux is more secure than any other OS?

On 2013-12-13 7:49 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote:
> Hi All:
>
> According to the Linux Foundation executive director:
>
> http://venturebeat.com/2013/11/26/linux-chief-open-source-is-safer-and-linux-is-more-secure-than-any-other-os-exclusive/
>
> Is this assumption right or wrong?

"The whole world can see every line of code in Linux. This is one of the 
reasons Linux is more secure than other operating systems and why 
open-source software overall is a safer than closed software. The 
transparency of the code ensures it's secure."

"It's very difficult to insert something into the kernel that would 
violate privacy and freedom without thousands of developers noticing. 
The nature of Linux is that it's self-policing."

It's not a deductive truth, but it's a plausible empirical claim that 
fits what we see year after year.

Seems to me with respect to Windows there's a mirror image claim. Not 
only does M$oft have just one building full of debuggers, as opposed to 
OSS software having a worldful; Windows software is designed such that 
everything can connect intimately to everything else---if you can get 
past M$oft eyes, you may be home-free to do widespread mischief.

PB

>
> Jim
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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Sat Dec 14 05:16:56 2013
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2013 12:16:56 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Can Microsoft just let go for a moment?
Message-ID: <s2ac4c5d.055@cactus.dk>

Hi Jim

The article does seem to add confusion, which the count of comments also indicates.
And what is your friend's issue?

The Hyper-V Server 2012 R2 is free no matter what it hosts. However, and of course, the VMs must be licensed as normal.

That said, the Hyper-V install may not pay off if you plan to host Windows 2012 R2 servers only. Then it will be cheaper to use the Windows Server 2012 R2 as host as it comes with two licenses more for Windows Server 2012 R2 it may host. 

For larger setups, you can use the Datacenter editions where one license allows for one host and unlimited VMs.

But in general, MS licensing is a nightmare. For the same reason we stopped active selling of other than OEM and simple package licenses.

/gustav

>>> accessd at shaw.ca 14-12-13 5:29 >>>
Hi All:

I was trying to help a friend out with his attempting to get a full and legal Hyper-V system up and running and he is just about ready to toss in the towel. Just ran across this article and it seems to say it all.

http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2013/12/12/feature_microsoft_caught_in_virtual_monkey_trap

Microsoft is not doing itself any favours...I wonder if the next set of MS management will have the courage and the comprehension to see the light?

Jim



From df.waters at comcast.net  Sat Dec 14 11:12:24 2013
From: df.waters at comcast.net (Dan Waters)
Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2013 11:12:24 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Blackberries are safest?
In-Reply-To: <1594068154.92386462.1386987165603.JavaMail.root@cds002>
References: <1684813367.92373552.1386985742123.JavaMail.root@cds002>
	<1594068154.92386462.1386987165603.JavaMail.root@cds002>
Message-ID: <001701cef8ef$a8d31100$fa793300$@comcast.net>

Hi Jim,

When Obama first became president, he wasn't allowed to continue to use the
cellphone (a Blackberry) he used as a senator.  He insisted that he be able
to use one, and within a couple of months, one had been uniquely  and
heavily modified to have sufficient security to use as president's
cellphone.  Some other people he communicates with frequently have the same
heavily modified phone.

He is NOT using a cellphone that anyone can buy.  There is nothing about his
cellphone that could be used to assess the security capability of any other
phone, including a standard Blackberry.

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Friday, December 13, 2013 8:13 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] Blackberries are safest?

H All:

The US president can use a cell phone as long as it is a Blackberry. The
reasons sited for not using other market products is because of security,
lack of encryption and no single central control point. In these days of the
NSA who can you trust.

http://www.tomsguide.com/us/why-obama-cant-use-iphone,news-17949.html

Aside: The core to the Blackberry code, much like Apple used BSD, came from
version of UNIX called QNX. (It is also used by the local observatory.) 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QNX

Jim
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From eptept at gmail.com  Sat Dec 14 14:08:14 2013
From: eptept at gmail.com (Ed Tesiny)
Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2013 15:08:14 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Outlook.com question
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1hPHi50upBHVU+gutyyfqGORzUeydomvsFy1=K_BJ8QqA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1hPHi50upBHVU+gutyyfqGORzUeydomvsFy1=K_BJ8QqA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAEkqQpXwQugiyp2NVv6HvxdaavtVZHhG8Cv9q=76_b8zQyKcZg@mail.gmail.com>

Arthur, This may help depending on which version of Windows you have

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-live/account-close-account


On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 3:02 PM, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com>wrote:

> Is there any way to remove an account I just created at outlook.com? I
> can't see an option, and Outlook.com just logs me into the one I want to
> remove, so I seem to be prevented from creating another one.
>
> --
> Arthur
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From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Sat Dec 14 17:41:31 2013
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2013 18:41:31 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Not receiving email with attachments
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1ixrqQM0di+Fhrhz8VtU9cGWB77xj5z9Jt2A0vKs21jpQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1ixrqQM0di+Fhrhz8VtU9cGWB77xj5z9Jt2A0vKs21jpQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <52ACECAB.2090204@torchlake.com>

Are your colleagues using Outlook?  I learned that it does not play 
nicely with other email clients. Some time ago (about 5 years), I found 
a utility that parsed an Outlook eml attachment and actually captured 
the attached document for me.  You may need something like that?  If you 
use Outlook to receive those particular messages, you may find the 
attachments to be in good order.
Best,
TNF

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
231-322-2787

On 12/13/2013 2:36 PM, Arthur Fuller wrote:
> Several colleagues lately have sent me email with attachments, and I'm not
> receiving the mail. They think that nothing went wrong, and I get no
> message regarding failure or anything. It's just as if nothing happened.
> I'm using gmail. I've checked the spam folder and nothing relevant there.
> This is exasperating because some of it is work-related.
>
> Anyone got an idea why this might occur? It seems to affect only messages
> with attachments.
>
> Maybe I should just open another account somewhere else. (Hmm... I think I
> did that, over at Outlook.com, but now I can't recall the name I used.
> Maybe I'll try creating another one there.
>


From accessd at shaw.ca  Sun Dec 15 01:02:11 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2013 00:02:11 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Blackberries are safest?
In-Reply-To: <001701cef8ef$a8d31100$fa793300$@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <1837997810.93266119.1387090931528.JavaMail.root@cds002>

Hi Dan:

You would think that any cell phone could be modified to have the same level of security...but then again, maybe not?

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Waters" <df.waters at comcast.net>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2013 9:12:24 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Blackberries are safest?

Hi Jim,

When Obama first became president, he wasn't allowed to continue to use the
cellphone (a Blackberry) he used as a senator.  He insisted that he be able
to use one, and within a couple of months, one had been uniquely  and
heavily modified to have sufficient security to use as president's
cellphone.  Some other people he communicates with frequently have the same
heavily modified phone.

He is NOT using a cellphone that anyone can buy.  There is nothing about his
cellphone that could be used to assess the security capability of any other
phone, including a standard Blackberry.

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Friday, December 13, 2013 8:13 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] Blackberries are safest?

H All:

The US president can use a cell phone as long as it is a Blackberry. The
reasons sited for not using other market products is because of security,
lack of encryption and no single central control point. In these days of the
NSA who can you trust.

http://www.tomsguide.com/us/why-obama-cant-use-iphone,news-17949.html

Aside: The core to the Blackberry code, much like Apple used BSD, came from
version of UNIX called QNX. (It is also used by the local observatory.) 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QNX

Jim
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Sun Dec 15 06:54:34 2013
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2013 07:54:34 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Not receiving email with attachments
In-Reply-To: <52ACECAB.2090204@torchlake.com>
References: <CAEPJO1ixrqQM0di+Fhrhz8VtU9cGWB77xj5z9Jt2A0vKs21jpQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<52ACECAB.2090204@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1iBAQkVvc-Lw7c7X0zqzmtnSvQbdyVA0gzzcrsEVW_GwA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Tina,

I would guess that the senders do use Outlook, since most folks do. As for
myself, I have it installed but seldom use it. Anyway, I solved the problem
by creating a new account at Outlook.com and having the clients re-send the
mail there, where it arrived without issues. So from now on, I'll just have
people use that account for mail with attachments.


On Sat, Dec 14, 2013 at 6:41 PM, Tina Norris Fields <
tinanfields at torchlake.com> wrote:

> Are your colleagues using Outlook?  I learned that it does not play nicely
> with other email clients. Some time ago (about 5 years), I found a utility
> that parsed an Outlook eml attachment and actually captured the attached
> document for me.  You may need something like that?  If you use Outlook to
> receive those particular messages, you may find the attachments to be in
> good order.
> Best,
> TNF
>
> Tina Norris Fields
> tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
> 231-322-2787
>
>
> On 12/13/2013 2:36 PM, Arthur Fuller wrote:
>
>> Several colleagues lately have sent me email with attachments, and I'm not
>> receiving the mail. They think that nothing went wrong, and I get no
>> message regarding failure or anything. It's just as if nothing happened.
>> I'm using gmail. I've checked the spam folder and nothing relevant there.
>> This is exasperating because some of it is work-related.
>>
>> Anyone got an idea why this might occur? It seems to affect only messages
>> with attachments.
>>
>> Maybe I should just open another account somewhere else. (Hmm... I think I
>> did that, over at Outlook.com, but now I can't recall the name I used.
>> Maybe I'll try creating another one there.
>>
>>
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
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>



-- 
Arthur

From df.waters at comcast.net  Sun Dec 15 14:23:27 2013
From: df.waters at comcast.net (Dan Waters)
Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2013 14:23:27 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Blackberries are safest?
In-Reply-To: <1837997810.93266119.1387090931528.JavaMail.root@cds002>
References: <001701cef8ef$a8d31100$fa793300$@comcast.net>
	<1837997810.93266119.1387090931528.JavaMail.root@cds002>
Message-ID: <001701cef9d3$836b5c30$8a421490$@comcast.net>

Jim,

My guess is that the Blackberry was probably the best platform to start
with.  Maybe they set up a private network with special frequencies that
never touches the network that all other Blackberry's use.  

I also think I remember reading that Obama really liked his Blackberry!
I've worked with a couple of people who really felt the same way.

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Sunday, December 15, 2013 1:02 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Blackberries are safest?

Hi Dan:

You would think that any cell phone could be modified to have the same level
of security...but then again, maybe not?

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Waters" <df.waters at comcast.net>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2013 9:12:24 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Blackberries are safest?

Hi Jim,

When Obama first became president, he wasn't allowed to continue to use the
cellphone (a Blackberry) he used as a senator.  He insisted that he be able
to use one, and within a couple of months, one had been uniquely  and
heavily modified to have sufficient security to use as president's
cellphone.  Some other people he communicates with frequently have the same
heavily modified phone.

He is NOT using a cellphone that anyone can buy.  There is nothing about his
cellphone that could be used to assess the security capability of any other
phone, including a standard Blackberry.

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Friday, December 13, 2013 8:13 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] Blackberries are safest?

H All:

The US president can use a cell phone as long as it is a Blackberry. The
reasons sited for not using other market products is because of security,
lack of encryption and no single central control point. In these days of the
NSA who can you trust.

http://www.tomsguide.com/us/why-obama-cant-use-iphone,news-17949.html

Aside: The core to the Blackberry code, much like Apple used BSD, came from
version of UNIX called QNX. (It is also used by the local observatory.) 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QNX

Jim
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From jbartow at winhaven.net  Sun Dec 15 14:43:43 2013
From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2013 14:43:43 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Blackberries are safest?
In-Reply-To: <001701cef9d3$836b5c30$8a421490$@comcast.net>
References: <001701cef8ef$a8d31100$fa793300$@comcast.net>	<1837997810.93266119.1387090931528.JavaMail.root@cds002>
	<001701cef9d3$836b5c30$8a421490$@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <03f601cef9d6$58bd1f70$0a375e50$@winhaven.net>

I have one customer who loves his Blackberry. It has been the biggest PITA
of all devices, including icrap (which are very particular about wireless
access points for some reason.) The BB device itself is fine, the desktop
sync software OTOH is horrible.

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Sunday, December 15, 2013 2:23 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Blackberries are safest?

Jim,

My guess is that the Blackberry was probably the best platform to start
with.  Maybe they set up a private network with special frequencies that
never touches the network that all other Blackberry's use.  

I also think I remember reading that Obama really liked his Blackberry!
I've worked with a couple of people who really felt the same way.

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Sunday, December 15, 2013 1:02 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Blackberries are safest?

Hi Dan:

You would think that any cell phone could be modified to have the same level
of security...but then again, maybe not?

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Waters" <df.waters at comcast.net>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2013 9:12:24 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Blackberries are safest?

Hi Jim,

When Obama first became president, he wasn't allowed to continue to use the
cellphone (a Blackberry) he used as a senator.  He insisted that he be able
to use one, and within a couple of months, one had been uniquely  and
heavily modified to have sufficient security to use as president's
cellphone.  Some other people he communicates with frequently have the same
heavily modified phone.

He is NOT using a cellphone that anyone can buy.  There is nothing about his
cellphone that could be used to assess the security capability of any other
phone, including a standard Blackberry.

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Friday, December 13, 2013 8:13 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] Blackberries are safest?

H All:

The US president can use a cell phone as long as it is a Blackberry. The
reasons sited for not using other market products is because of security,
lack of encryption and no single central control point. In these days of the
NSA who can you trust.

http://www.tomsguide.com/us/why-obama-cant-use-iphone,news-17949.html

Aside: The core to the Blackberry code, much like Apple used BSD, came from
version of UNIX called QNX. (It is also used by the local observatory.) 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QNX

Jim
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Dec 16 08:28:01 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2013 07:28:01 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Blackberries are safest?
In-Reply-To: <001701cef9d3$836b5c30$8a421490$@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <1737509144.94200515.1387204081190.JavaMail.root@cds002>

Dan:

Maybe the article is not complete?

<quote>
"I'm not allowed, for security reasons, to have an iPhone," Obama told a White House audience yesterday (Dec. 4), according to Agence France-Presse.

Instead, the news agency said, Obama has to stick to his BlackBerry, a valued brand in Washington due to its strict security controls and strong encryption.

That's not the entire story, however. BlackBerrys also offer a high level of organizational control and security that few other smartphones can match.
</quote>

Considering that Blackberry has been banned from China does suggest that the product has a level of security that the Chinese government could not easily hack...

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Waters" <df.waters at comcast.net>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 15, 2013 12:23:27 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Blackberries are safest?

Jim,

My guess is that the Blackberry was probably the best platform to start
with.  Maybe they set up a private network with special frequencies that
never touches the network that all other Blackberry's use.  

I also think I remember reading that Obama really liked his Blackberry!
I've worked with a couple of people who really felt the same way.

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Sunday, December 15, 2013 1:02 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Blackberries are safest?

Hi Dan:

You would think that any cell phone could be modified to have the same level
of security...but then again, maybe not?

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Waters" <df.waters at comcast.net>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2013 9:12:24 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Blackberries are safest?

Hi Jim,

When Obama first became president, he wasn't allowed to continue to use the
cellphone (a Blackberry) he used as a senator.  He insisted that he be able
to use one, and within a couple of months, one had been uniquely  and
heavily modified to have sufficient security to use as president's
cellphone.  Some other people he communicates with frequently have the same
heavily modified phone.

He is NOT using a cellphone that anyone can buy.  There is nothing about his
cellphone that could be used to assess the security capability of any other
phone, including a standard Blackberry.

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Friday, December 13, 2013 8:13 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] Blackberries are safest?

H All:

The US president can use a cell phone as long as it is a Blackberry. The
reasons sited for not using other market products is because of security,
lack of encryption and no single central control point. In these days of the
NSA who can you trust.

http://www.tomsguide.com/us/why-obama-cant-use-iphone,news-17949.html

Aside: The core to the Blackberry code, much like Apple used BSD, came from
version of UNIX called QNX. (It is also used by the local observatory.) 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QNX

Jim
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Dec 16 08:32:25 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2013 07:32:25 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Blackberries are safest?
In-Reply-To: <03f601cef9d6$58bd1f70$0a375e50$@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <2137605303.94205758.1387204345346.JavaMail.root@cds002>

I worked for a Plumbing firm a while back (built a new invoicing system) and they went completely BB. A good friend and tech who was working on the network end, use to curse the process that was needed to get the little beasts connected to the server...unfortunately (or maybe fortunately) I know little else about the reasons and causes.

Jim 

----- Original Message -----
From: "John Bartow" <jbartow at winhaven.net>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 15, 2013 12:43:43 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Blackberries are safest?

I have one customer who loves his Blackberry. It has been the biggest PITA
of all devices, including icrap (which are very particular about wireless
access points for some reason.) The BB device itself is fine, the desktop
sync software OTOH is horrible.

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Sunday, December 15, 2013 2:23 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Blackberries are safest?

Jim,

My guess is that the Blackberry was probably the best platform to start
with.  Maybe they set up a private network with special frequencies that
never touches the network that all other Blackberry's use.  

I also think I remember reading that Obama really liked his Blackberry!
I've worked with a couple of people who really felt the same way.

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Sunday, December 15, 2013 1:02 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Blackberries are safest?

Hi Dan:

You would think that any cell phone could be modified to have the same level
of security...but then again, maybe not?

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Waters" <df.waters at comcast.net>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2013 9:12:24 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Blackberries are safest?

Hi Jim,

When Obama first became president, he wasn't allowed to continue to use the
cellphone (a Blackberry) he used as a senator.  He insisted that he be able
to use one, and within a couple of months, one had been uniquely  and
heavily modified to have sufficient security to use as president's
cellphone.  Some other people he communicates with frequently have the same
heavily modified phone.

He is NOT using a cellphone that anyone can buy.  There is nothing about his
cellphone that could be used to assess the security capability of any other
phone, including a standard Blackberry.

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Friday, December 13, 2013 8:13 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] Blackberries are safest?

H All:

The US president can use a cell phone as long as it is a Blackberry. The
reasons sited for not using other market products is because of security,
lack of encryption and no single central control point. In these days of the
NSA who can you trust.

http://www.tomsguide.com/us/why-obama-cant-use-iphone,news-17949.html

Aside: The core to the Blackberry code, much like Apple used BSD, came from
version of UNIX called QNX. (It is also used by the local observatory.) 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QNX

Jim
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Dec 17 18:11:02 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2013 17:11:02 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [dba-Tech] JavaScript for 2013
In-Reply-To: <s2ac4c5d.055@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <561072252.96190517.1387325462735.JavaMail.root@cds002>

Hi All:

Javascript is one of the most used languages for the web. During this year not only has there been dramatic growth at the client end but at the server end as well. I would suspect Node.js adoption has been the reason for the growth.

http://dailyjs.com/2013/12/12/javascript-survey-results/

Jim

From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Dec 17 18:45:46 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2013 17:45:46 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Can Microsoft just let go for a moment?
In-Reply-To: <s2ac4c5d.055@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <51121364.96222686.1387327546555.JavaMail.root@cds002>

Hi Gustav:

I can hardly speak as a expert on Windows licensing. My understanding is that it is complex to say the least. When I was working full-time, my clients were either government or larger companies and they bought site licenses and for my own use I bought a yearly tech account (I understand that has gone away now(?)).

Maybe you can give some of your experiences and costs in deploying a Hyper-V server with 15 to 20 (KVMs (?)) using various platforms. Does each virtual drive, require a complement of products, depending on the service provided, need to be separately licensing, charges according to the number of concurrent users or is there a site license or VD license available?

Do you have any estimates of costs? Does Microsoft have a strategy like Docker with its "Containers" and be able to be as easy to deployed or are there additional licensing issues? 

Aside: Microsoft paid a large amount of money towards Linux development, especially in OpenSuse, from which Docker, Mono, the Linux version of Visual .Net Studio and Hyper-V was fully developed.      

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <Gustav at cactus.dk>
To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2013 3:16:56 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Can Microsoft just let go for a moment?

Hi Jim

The article does seem to add confusion, which the count of comments also indicates.
And what is your friend's issue?

The Hyper-V Server 2012 R2 is free no matter what it hosts. However, and of course, the VMs must be licensed as normal.

That said, the Hyper-V install may not pay off if you plan to host Windows 2012 R2 servers only. Then it will be cheaper to use the Windows Server 2012 R2 as host as it comes with two licenses more for Windows Server 2012 R2 it may host. 

For larger setups, you can use the Datacenter editions where one license allows for one host and unlimited VMs.

But in general, MS licensing is a nightmare. For the same reason we stopped active selling of other than OEM and simple package licenses.

/gustav

>>> accessd at shaw.ca 14-12-13 5:29 >>>
Hi All:

I was trying to help a friend out with his attempting to get a full and legal Hyper-V system up and running and he is just about ready to toss in the towel. Just ran across this article and it seems to say it all.

http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2013/12/12/feature_microsoft_caught_in_virtual_monkey_trap

Microsoft is not doing itself any favours...I wonder if the next set of MS management will have the courage and the comprehension to see the light?

Jim


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From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Dec 17 22:02:40 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2013 21:02:40 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Microsoft's VM vs VMware vs LXC
In-Reply-To: <51121364.96222686.1387327546555.JavaMail.root@cds002>
Message-ID: <53954482.96369949.1387339360112.JavaMail.root@cds002>

Hi All:

Gustav brought up an important point about Visualization deployed by Microsoft...the comments went on further and related the apparent cost differences(?). Between MS VM and Cisco's VMware but the real comparisons should be directed between LXC (Linux Container) and the rest of the virtual market place.

The whole LXC technology that initially was very complex to deploy is now becoming easy. Docker is the company to watch. Their latest effort, version 0.7, is quite incredible. 

Here is a conversation with one of the Docker creators, Sylvain Kalache. The first 31 minutes of the podcast will give anyone insight into what the application is, its potential and where to go to get further information if you are thinking of building your own Docker container server:
http://ec.libsyn.com/p/9/3/c/93c40fcb0a42f70f/lup-0016-ogg.ogg?d13a76d516d9dec20c3d276ce028ed5089ab1ce3dae902ea1d01c08034d5c95c5f94&c_id=6463958

Below is a short Youtube video showing the complexity of deploying new Docker containers:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wW9CAH9nSLs

See: https://www.docker.io and installation: https://www.docker.io/gettingstarted/#h_installation

The next series of technical advancements, like the upcoming linking tech, that will allow containers to connect sounds very exciting. From now on anyone will be able to roll-their-own, in-house or personal cloud virtual servers without having to rely on the big players to sell services. Once one virtual server is created it can be deployed hundreds (thousands) of times. (I am not sure how this would work in a Microsoft shop but with a site license it should be no issue.)  

Note: Docker was designed to be a 64bit application but some community members are apparently working towards building a 32bit version capable of running on the Raspberry PI.

Jim


    

From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Dec 18 03:09:23 2013
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2013 10:09:23 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Can Microsoft just let go for a moment?
Message-ID: <005c01cefbd0$d81e8050$885b80f0$@cactus.dk>

Hi Jim

I can't tell. By principle I refuse to join courses in licensing, because if
licensing is so difficult that it requires a full day training course to
understand, it is - per definition - too complicated.

Thus, for clients requesting licenses from MS, Adobe, Symantec (luckily we
don't have Oracle clients), I simply call the distributor's licensing people
with the details and receive within an hour a detailed quotation. It is for
a reason that the distributors have a handful of fulltime experts employed,
and that expertise you cannot match. And should they fail, you can tell the
client or supplier that you utilize the license team's knowledge to avoid
having the responsibility for the client's licensing. 
Add to this circus that the competition in selling licenses is very strong,
thus the profit is only a few percent. It isn't worth the trouble to deal
with.

Even though I would be glad to help, it probably wouldn't be of much value,
as the rules at your place might be different from those in force here.

However, it is my understanding that the Hyper-V Server 2012 (R2) is
absolutely free to use. It beats the free offering from VMware by a
magnitude in every aspect.
The only limitation is, that for remote administration the R2 requires a
Windows 8.1 Workstation or Windows Server 2012 R2 for the admin tool. The
former non-R2 can use Windows 7+ or Windows Server 2012+. It is a great
product - comes with bare metal recovery, a basic SMB file server, joins AD
at a snap, and can handle all the drives and VM you can stuff into the
physical machine.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Jim Lawrence
Sendt: 18. december 2013 01:46
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Can Microsoft just let go for a moment?

Hi Gustav:

I can hardly speak as a expert on Windows licensing. My understanding is
that it is complex to say the least. When I was working full-time, my
clients were either government or larger companies and they bought site
licenses and for my own use I bought a yearly tech account (I understand
that has gone away now(?)).

Maybe you can give some of your experiences and costs in deploying a Hyper-V
server with 15 to 20 (KVMs (?)) using various platforms. Does each virtual
drive, require a complement of products, depending on the service provided,
need to be separately licensing, charges according to the number of
concurrent users or is there a site license or VD license available?

Do you have any estimates of costs? Does Microsoft have a strategy like
Docker with its "Containers" and be able to be as easy to deployed or are
there additional licensing issues? 

Aside: Microsoft paid a large amount of money towards Linux development,
especially in OpenSuse, from which Docker, Mono, the Linux version of Visual
.Net Studio and Hyper-V was fully developed.      

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <Gustav at cactus.dk>
To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2013 3:16:56 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Can Microsoft just let go for a moment?

Hi Jim

The article does seem to add confusion, which the count of comments also
indicates.
And what is your friend's issue?

The Hyper-V Server 2012 R2 is free no matter what it hosts. However, and of
course, the VMs must be licensed as normal.

That said, the Hyper-V install may not pay off if you plan to host Windows
2012 R2 servers only. Then it will be cheaper to use the Windows Server 2012
R2 as host as it comes with two licenses more for Windows Server 2012 R2 it
may host. 

For larger setups, you can use the Datacenter editions where one license
allows for one host and unlimited VMs.

But in general, MS licensing is a nightmare. For the same reason we stopped
active selling of other than OEM and simple package licenses.

/gustav

>>> accessd at shaw.ca 14-12-13 5:29 >>>
Hi All:

I was trying to help a friend out with his attempting to get a full and
legal Hyper-V system up and running and he is just about ready to toss in
the towel. Just ran across this article and it seems to say it all.

http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2013/12/12/feature_microsoft_caught_in_virt
ual_monkey_trap

Microsoft is not doing itself any favours...I wonder if the next set of MS
management will have the courage and the comprehension to see the light?

Jim 



From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Dec 18 10:15:39 2013
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2013 17:15:39 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Arduino by Intel
Message-ID: <022101cefc0c$64be18f0$2e3a4ad0$@cactus.dk>

Hi all

Intel has published Galileo as a "grown-up" Arduino board with a 400 MHz
32-bit Quark SoC X1000 processor:

https://www-ssl.intel.com/content/www/us/en/do-it-yourself/galileo-maker-qua
rk-board.html?&axc=NL20HS23

complete with 256 MB ram, USB server and client, Fast Ethernet, RS-232,
MicroSD, Mini-PCIe, and analog and digital ports.

/gustav


From jbartow at winhaven.net  Wed Dec 18 11:11:58 2013
From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2013 11:11:58 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] basic4android special
Message-ID: <034501cefc14$4303c8b0$c90b5a10$@winhaven.net>

For everyone who wants a deal on basic4android, I've purchased a couple of
things I was interested in but didn't want to pay full price for via Bits Du
Jour and haven't had a problem.

http://www.bitsdujour.com/software/basic4android-enterprise/src=day?utm_sour
ce=DailyBits&utm_medium=email&utm_content=basic4android-enterprise+Link&utm_
campaign=2013-12-18+Mac+%26+PC+B



From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Wed Dec 18 12:14:57 2013
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2013 13:14:57 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Arduino by Intel
In-Reply-To: <022101cefc0c$64be18f0$2e3a4ad0$@cactus.dk>
References: <022101cefc0c$64be18f0$2e3a4ad0$@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1h+YrYs_LD9z4FJK3RZxsvrb1UjeRh9-Zax5eafAVms4g@mail.gmail.com>

Nice!. I have no immediate use for such a gizmo, and I keep trying to get
out of this business, but they keep dragging me back in.


On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 11:15 AM, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Hi all
>
> Intel has published Galileo as a "grown-up" Arduino board with a 400 MHz
> 32-bit Quark SoC X1000 processor:
>
>
> https://www-ssl.intel.com/content/www/us/en/do-it-yourself/galileo-maker-qua
> rk-board.html?&axc=NL20HS23
>
> complete with 256 MB ram, USB server and client, Fast Ethernet, RS-232,
> MicroSD, Mini-PCIe, and analog and digital ports.
>
> /gustav
>
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From eptept at gmail.com  Wed Dec 18 14:11:54 2013
From: eptept at gmail.com (Ed Tesiny)
Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2013 15:11:54 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Programs Opening and Closing
Message-ID: <CAEkqQpUeMXidq6uvQG0jhiv1F93XdCHHX6CQpHEYY-w5ut7hGQ@mail.gmail.com>

Weird thing happened today.  Before today when you clicked on an icon, the
screen would immediately appear.  Now when you click on an icon the screen
fades in, when you close the program it fades out with a "twist" fading off
to the bottom of the screen.  Apparently a Windows update was done this AM.
 Any ideas as to what setting can stop this behavior?

From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Dec 18 17:04:06 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2013 16:04:06 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Arduino by Intel
In-Reply-To: <022101cefc0c$64be18f0$2e3a4ad0$@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <881809830.97351301.1387407846124.JavaMail.root@cds002>

Hi Gustav:

That does seem interesting. For hardware geeks this would probably be a must. I was looking for the price to see how it competed with the Raspberry PI.

The Raspberry PI Ultimate starter kit is around $90.00 (plus shipping I would assume):
http://www.canakit.com/raspberry-pi-starter-ultimate-kit.html 

The kit is sold through the same distributor but no pricing...yet.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 8:15:39 AM
Subject: [dba-Tech] Arduino by Intel

Hi all

Intel has published Galileo as a "grown-up" Arduino board with a 400 MHz
32-bit Quark SoC X1000 processor:

https://www-ssl.intel.com/content/www/us/en/do-it-yourself/galileo-maker-qua
rk-board.html?&axc=NL20HS23

complete with 256 MB ram, USB server and client, Fast Ethernet, RS-232,
MicroSD, Mini-PCIe, and analog and digital ports.

/gustav

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Dec 18 17:35:53 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2013 16:35:53 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [dba-Tech] basic4android special
In-Reply-To: <034501cefc14$4303c8b0$c90b5a10$@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <1177843915.97385501.1387409753158.JavaMail.root@cds002>

Hi John:

Thanks for the heads up...only eight hours and change left to respond.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "John Bartow" <jbartow at winhaven.net>
To: "DBA-Tech" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 9:11:58 AM
Subject: [dba-Tech] basic4android special

For everyone who wants a deal on basic4android, I've purchased a couple of
things I was interested in but didn't want to pay full price for via Bits Du
Jour and haven't had a problem.

http://www.bitsdujour.com/software/basic4android-enterprise/src=day?utm_sour
ce=DailyBits&utm_medium=email&utm_content=basic4android-enterprise+Link&utm_
campaign=2013-12-18+Mac+%26+PC+B


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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Wed Dec 18 19:33:40 2013
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2013 11:33:40 +1000
Subject: [dba-Tech] basic4android special
In-Reply-To: <1177843915.97385501.1387409753158.JavaMail.root@cds002>
References: <034501cefc14$4303c8b0$c90b5a10$@winhaven.net>,
	<1177843915.97385501.1387409753158.JavaMail.root@cds002>
Message-ID: <52B24CF4.25939.AE119520@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

The new (free) Basic4Java is based on it and uses the same interface.   

So fo less than seventy bucks you can have one IDE and a common language to develop 
Java apps for Windows/Mac/Linus and native apps for Android.

-- 
Stuart

On 18 Dec 2013 at 16:35, Jim Lawrence wrote:

> Hi John:
> 
> Thanks for the heads up...only eight hours and change left to respond.
> 
> Jim
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Bartow" <jbartow at winhaven.net>
> To: "DBA-Tech" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 9:11:58 AM
> Subject: [dba-Tech] basic4android special
> 
> For everyone who wants a deal on basic4android, I've purchased a
> couple of things I was interested in but didn't want to pay full price
> for via Bits Du Jour and haven't had a problem.
> 
> http://www.bitsdujour.com/software/basic4android-enterprise/src=day?ut
> m_sour
> ce=DailyBits&utm_medium=email&utm_content=basic4android-enterprise+Lin
> k&utm_ campaign=2013-12-18+Mac+%26+PC+B
> 
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Wed Dec 18 19:34:51 2013
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2013 11:34:51 +1000
Subject: [dba-Tech] basic4android special
In-Reply-To: <52B24CF4.25939.AE119520@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <034501cefc14$4303c8b0$c90b5a10$@winhaven.net>,
	<1177843915.97385501.1387409753158.JavaMail.root@cds002>,
	<52B24CF4.25939.AE119520@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <52B24D3B.24681.AE12AA93@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Oops, make that "less than SIXTY bucks" :)


On 19 Dec 2013 at 11:33, Stuart McLachlan wrote:

> The new (free) Basic4Java is based on it and uses the same interface. 
>  
> 
> So fo less than seventy bucks you can have one IDE and a common
> language to develop Java apps for Windows/Mac/Linus and native apps
> for Android.
> 
> -- 
> Stuart
> 
> On 18 Dec 2013 at 16:35, Jim Lawrence wrote:
> 
> > Hi John:
> > 
> > Thanks for the heads up...only eight hours and change left to
> > respond.
> > 
> > Jim
> > 
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "John Bartow" <jbartow at winhaven.net>
> > To: "DBA-Tech" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 9:11:58 AM
> > Subject: [dba-Tech] basic4android special
> > 
> > For everyone who wants a deal on basic4android, I've purchased a
> > couple of things I was interested in but didn't want to pay full
> > price for via Bits Du Jour and haven't had a problem.
> > 
> > http://www.bitsdujour.com/software/basic4android-enterprise/src=day?
> > ut m_sour
> > ce=DailyBits&utm_medium=email&utm_content=basic4android-enterprise+L
> > in k&utm_ campaign=2013-12-18+Mac+%26+PC+B
> > 
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From jbartow at winhaven.net  Thu Dec 19 01:24:57 2013
From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2013 01:24:57 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Confederate pictures in the Army War College? Oh My!
Message-ID: <042401cefc8b$6cf2d3b0$46d87b10$@winhaven.net>

Wow, Some people really have to do better reporting.
http://www.carlisle.army.mil/banner/article.cfm?id=3289

As for me, do I mind that there are confederate pictures or statues? No, as
long as they are not over represented. They were some brilliant military men
amongst the 'rebs.


From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Thu Dec 19 05:17:16 2013
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2013 06:17:16 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Seeking recommends for a monotor
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1hApbnOf3CKad3xPT4dBPnYc-X3=+7FeE-ZA-7py1bXWQ@mail.gmail.com>

I'm looking to purchase a monitor to accompany my fancy laptop (Dell
Inspiron 8GB RAM and 1 TB disk. I already hooked up my Acer monitor to this
beast, and the results were less than spectacular. It worked but it sucked.
I need to acquire another monitor, that can be beautiful. Advice sought.
Should I just go with some Dell monitor? Other ideas? I've already tricked
it up with a keyboard and mouse, the only thing remaining is a quality
monitor with the same aspect-ratio.

Suggestions are invited.

-- 
Arthur

From jon.tydda at lonza.com  Thu Dec 19 05:56:41 2013
From: jon.tydda at lonza.com (Tydda Jon - Lonza Slough)
Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2013 11:56:41 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Seeking recommends for a monotor
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1hApbnOf3CKad3xPT4dBPnYc-X3=+7FeE-ZA-7py1bXWQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1hApbnOf3CKad3xPT4dBPnYc-X3=+7FeE-ZA-7py1bXWQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6a6fef310cc9467bae3477669b4ff2c7@CHVEX12.lonzagroup.net>

I will only buy Samsung monitors from now on, same with their TVs. I haven't found anything that beats the display in the price bracket. Make sure you get a DVI or HDMI connection though, and you'll see a vast improvement over VGA


Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2013 11:17 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] Seeking recommends for a monotor

I'm looking to purchase a monitor to accompany my fancy laptop (Dell Inspiron 8GB RAM and 1 TB disk. I already hooked up my Acer monitor to this beast, and the results were less than spectacular. It worked but it sucked.
I need to acquire another monitor, that can be beautiful. Advice sought.
Should I just go with some Dell monitor? Other ideas? I've already tricked it up with a keyboard and mouse, the only thing remaining is a quality monitor with the same aspect-ratio.

Suggestions are invited.

--
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Thu Dec 19 06:32:06 2013
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2013 07:32:06 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Seeking recommends for a monotor
In-Reply-To: <6a6fef310cc9467bae3477669b4ff2c7@CHVEX12.lonzagroup.net>
References: <CAEPJO1hApbnOf3CKad3xPT4dBPnYc-X3=+7FeE-ZA-7py1bXWQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<6a6fef310cc9467bae3477669b4ff2c7@CHVEX12.lonzagroup.net>
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Thanks Jon. I shall check out what my fave vendor has in stock.

A.


On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 6:56 AM, Tydda Jon - Lonza Slough <
jon.tydda at lonza.com> wrote:

> I will only buy Samsung monitors from now on, same with their TVs. I
> haven't found anything that beats the display in the price bracket. Make
> sure you get a DVI or HDMI connection though, and you'll see a vast
> improvement over VGA
>
>
> Jon
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:
> dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
> Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2013 11:17 AM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: [dba-Tech] Seeking recommends for a monotor
>
> I'm looking to purchase a monitor to accompany my fancy laptop (Dell
> Inspiron 8GB RAM and 1 TB disk. I already hooked up my Acer monitor to this
> beast, and the results were less than spectacular. It worked but it sucked.
> I need to acquire another monitor, that can be beautiful. Advice sought.
> Should I just go with some Dell monitor? Other ideas? I've already tricked
> it up with a keyboard and mouse, the only thing remaining is a quality
> monitor with the same aspect-ratio.
>
> Suggestions are invited.
>
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Thu Dec 19 08:14:45 2013
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2013 06:14:45 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Seeking recommends for a monotor
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1hApbnOf3CKad3xPT4dBPnYc-X3=+7FeE-ZA-7py1bXWQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1hApbnOf3CKad3xPT4dBPnYc-X3=+7FeE-ZA-7py1bXWQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E8A4F162F7D548F1BF5702782301FE57@HAL9007>

I'd suggest taking your laptop to your equivalent of Fry's or Best Buy where
you can hook it up to several monitors to see which one is really works best
for your comp. Ideal 'try before you buy' situation.

R


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2013 3:17 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] Seeking recommends for a monotor

I'm looking to purchase a monitor to accompany my fancy laptop (Dell
Inspiron 8GB RAM and 1 TB disk. I already hooked up my Acer monitor to this
beast, and the results were less than spectacular. It worked but it sucked.
I need to acquire another monitor, that can be beautiful. Advice sought.
Should I just go with some Dell monitor? Other ideas? I've already tricked
it up with a keyboard and mouse, the only thing remaining is a quality
monitor with the same aspect-ratio.

Suggestions are invited.

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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Thu Dec 19 13:05:16 2013
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2013 14:05:16 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Seeking recommends for a monotor
In-Reply-To: <E8A4F162F7D548F1BF5702782301FE57@HAL9007>
References: <CAEPJO1hApbnOf3CKad3xPT4dBPnYc-X3=+7FeE-ZA-7py1bXWQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<E8A4F162F7D548F1BF5702782301FE57@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1hZ29u0TdH+ouXL+3p3qnLAkMYyevY=ygHAD8C1q30_Vw@mail.gmail.com>

Hey that's a pretty cool idea. Thanks for that, Rocky. After all, that's
the whole point of a laptop! I'm just a stupid guy. oh well. However, what
I have done so far with the laptop is cover its keyboard with som Saran
Wrap and hook it into a wireless keyboard and mouse. It is an awsome
biacth, 8GB RAM and 1 TB hard disk, and a couple of other fancies attached
(blu-ray burneer, lots of USB 3 externals. It's hard to believe you can get
this much techno for so little money (< $600). Wow. Makes my aging desktop
whimper.


On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 9:14 AM, Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>wrote:

> I'd suggest taking your laptop to your equivalent of Fry's or Best Buy
> where
> you can hook it up to several monitors to see which one is really works
> best
> for your comp. Ideal 'try before you buy' situation.
>
> R
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
> Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2013 3:17 AM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: [dba-Tech] Seeking recommends for a monotor
>
> I'm looking to purchase a monitor to accompany my fancy laptop (Dell
> Inspiron 8GB RAM and 1 TB disk. I already hooked up my Acer monitor to this
> beast, and the results were less than spectacular. It worked but it sucked.
> I need to acquire another monitor, that can be beautiful. Advice sought.
> Should I just go with some Dell monitor? Other ideas? I've already tricked
> it up with a keyboard and mouse, the only thing remaining is a quality
> monitor with the same aspect-ratio.
>
> Suggestions are invited.
>
> --
> Arthur
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Thu Dec 19 13:11:16 2013
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2013 11:11:16 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Seeking recommends for a monotor
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1hZ29u0TdH+ouXL+3p3qnLAkMYyevY=ygHAD8C1q30_Vw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1hApbnOf3CKad3xPT4dBPnYc-X3=+7FeE-ZA-7py1bXWQ@mail.gmail.com><E8A4F162F7D548F1BF5702782301FE57@HAL9007>
	<CAEPJO1hZ29u0TdH+ouXL+3p3qnLAkMYyevY=ygHAD8C1q30_Vw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CD7AF9FB629A4BEE87868066869B913D@HAL9007>

I got my favorite comp back on line after Max took it to Europe and it got a
bit trashed - HP Mini - love that little guy - named him teenycomp.  The fan
was making a grinding noise - so I replaced that.  In the process hosed the
ribbon connector for the keyboard.  So I got one from China, slapped that
bad boy in and walla!  Teenycomp lives!

Only problem now is that I can't log in because Max can't remember the
password he set up for his administrative account.

Anybody know a way to crack the user password?

TIA

Rocky
 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2013 11:05 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Seeking recommends for a monotor

Hey that's a pretty cool idea. Thanks for that, Rocky. After all, that's the
whole point of a laptop! I'm just a stupid guy. oh well. However, what I
have done so far with the laptop is cover its keyboard with som Saran Wrap
and hook it into a wireless keyboard and mouse. It is an awsome biacth, 8GB
RAM and 1 TB hard disk, and a couple of other fancies attached (blu-ray
burneer, lots of USB 3 externals. It's hard to believe you can get this much
techno for so little money (< $600). Wow. Makes my aging desktop whimper.


On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 9:14 AM, Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>wrote:

> I'd suggest taking your laptop to your equivalent of Fry's or Best Buy 
> where you can hook it up to several monitors to see which one is 
> really works best for your comp. Ideal 'try before you buy' situation.
>
> R
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur 
> Fuller
> Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2013 3:17 AM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: [dba-Tech] Seeking recommends for a monotor
>
> I'm looking to purchase a monitor to accompany my fancy laptop (Dell 
> Inspiron 8GB RAM and 1 TB disk. I already hooked up my Acer monitor to 
> this beast, and the results were less than spectacular. It worked but it
sucked.
> I need to acquire another monitor, that can be beautiful. Advice sought.
> Should I just go with some Dell monitor? Other ideas? I've already 
> tricked it up with a keyboard and mouse, the only thing remaining is a 
> quality monitor with the same aspect-ratio.
>
> Suggestions are invited.
>
> --
> Arthur
> _______________________________________________
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From jeff.developer at gmail.com  Thu Dec 19 14:23:54 2013
From: jeff.developer at gmail.com (Jeff B)
Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2013 14:23:54 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Seeking recommends for a monotor
In-Reply-To: <CD7AF9FB629A4BEE87868066869B913D@HAL9007>
References: <CAEPJO1hApbnOf3CKad3xPT4dBPnYc-X3=+7FeE-ZA-7py1bXWQ@mail.gmail.com><E8A4F162F7D548F1BF5702782301FE57@HAL9007>	<CAEPJO1hZ29u0TdH+ouXL+3p3qnLAkMYyevY=ygHAD8C1q30_Vw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CD7AF9FB629A4BEE87868066869B913D@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <00ad01cefcf8$3d772330$b8656990$@gmail.com>

Go to
http://www.pcworld.com/product/949263/offline-nt-password-registry-editor.ht
ml

You will need to download this and burn it to a cd.  Then you need to boot
to the cd from your teenycomp and follow the directions.

This has saved me MANY times!  Good Luck!

Jeff Barrows
MCP, MCAD, MCSD
?
Racine, WI
jeff.developer at gmail.com

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2013 1:11 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Seeking recommends for a monotor

I got my favorite comp back on line after Max took it to Europe and it got a
bit trashed - HP Mini - love that little guy - named him teenycomp.  The fan
was making a grinding noise - so I replaced that.  In the process hosed the
ribbon connector for the keyboard.  So I got one from China, slapped that
bad boy in and walla!  Teenycomp lives!

Only problem now is that I can't log in because Max can't remember the
password he set up for his administrative account.

Anybody know a way to crack the user password?

TIA

Rocky
 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2013 11:05 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Seeking recommends for a monotor

Hey that's a pretty cool idea. Thanks for that, Rocky. After all, that's the
whole point of a laptop! I'm just a stupid guy. oh well. However, what I
have done so far with the laptop is cover its keyboard with som Saran Wrap
and hook it into a wireless keyboard and mouse. It is an awsome biacth, 8GB
RAM and 1 TB hard disk, and a couple of other fancies attached (blu-ray
burneer, lots of USB 3 externals. It's hard to believe you can get this much
techno for so little money (< $600). Wow. Makes my aging desktop whimper.


On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 9:14 AM, Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>wrote:

> I'd suggest taking your laptop to your equivalent of Fry's or Best Buy 
> where you can hook it up to several monitors to see which one is 
> really works best for your comp. Ideal 'try before you buy' situation.
>
> R
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur 
> Fuller
> Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2013 3:17 AM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: [dba-Tech] Seeking recommends for a monotor
>
> I'm looking to purchase a monitor to accompany my fancy laptop (Dell 
> Inspiron 8GB RAM and 1 TB disk. I already hooked up my Acer monitor to 
> this beast, and the results were less than spectacular. It worked but 
> it
sucked.
> I need to acquire another monitor, that can be beautiful. Advice sought.
> Should I just go with some Dell monitor? Other ideas? I've already 
> tricked it up with a keyboard and mouse, the only thing remaining is a 
> quality monitor with the same aspect-ratio.
>
> Suggestions are invited.
>
> --
> Arthur
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Thu Dec 19 14:38:32 2013
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2013 12:38:32 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Seeking recommends for a monotor
In-Reply-To: <00ad01cefcf8$3d772330$b8656990$@gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1hApbnOf3CKad3xPT4dBPnYc-X3=+7FeE-ZA-7py1bXWQ@mail.gmail.com><E8A4F162F7D548F1BF5702782301FE57@HAL9007>	<CAEPJO1hZ29u0TdH+ouXL+3p3qnLAkMYyevY=ygHAD8C1q30_Vw@mail.gmail.com><CD7AF9FB629A4BEE87868066869B913D@HAL9007>
	<00ad01cefcf8$3d772330$b8656990$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <96156495712E48E1B4C689DDEC7AC5CD@HAL9007>

Thanks.  Teeny doesn't have a CD drive but I've got an external.  Just have
to figure out which function key gets me to the BIOS to change the boot
order.

R
 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jeff B
Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2013 12:24 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Seeking recommends for a monotor

Go to
http://www.pcworld.com/product/949263/offline-nt-password-registry-editor.ht
ml

You will need to download this and burn it to a cd.  Then you need to boot
to the cd from your teenycomp and follow the directions.

This has saved me MANY times!  Good Luck!

Jeff Barrows
MCP, MCAD, MCSD
?
Racine, WI
jeff.developer at gmail.com

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2013 1:11 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Seeking recommends for a monotor

I got my favorite comp back on line after Max took it to Europe and it got a
bit trashed - HP Mini - love that little guy - named him teenycomp.  The fan
was making a grinding noise - so I replaced that.  In the process hosed the
ribbon connector for the keyboard.  So I got one from China, slapped that
bad boy in and walla!  Teenycomp lives!

Only problem now is that I can't log in because Max can't remember the
password he set up for his administrative account.

Anybody know a way to crack the user password?

TIA

Rocky
 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2013 11:05 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Seeking recommends for a monotor

Hey that's a pretty cool idea. Thanks for that, Rocky. After all, that's the
whole point of a laptop! I'm just a stupid guy. oh well. However, what I
have done so far with the laptop is cover its keyboard with som Saran Wrap
and hook it into a wireless keyboard and mouse. It is an awsome biacth, 8GB
RAM and 1 TB hard disk, and a couple of other fancies attached (blu-ray
burneer, lots of USB 3 externals. It's hard to believe you can get this much
techno for so little money (< $600). Wow. Makes my aging desktop whimper.


On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 9:14 AM, Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>wrote:

> I'd suggest taking your laptop to your equivalent of Fry's or Best Buy 
> where you can hook it up to several monitors to see which one is 
> really works best for your comp. Ideal 'try before you buy' situation.
>
> R
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur 
> Fuller
> Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2013 3:17 AM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: [dba-Tech] Seeking recommends for a monotor
>
> I'm looking to purchase a monitor to accompany my fancy laptop (Dell 
> Inspiron 8GB RAM and 1 TB disk. I already hooked up my Acer monitor to 
> this beast, and the results were less than spectacular. It worked but 
> it
sucked.
> I need to acquire another monitor, that can be beautiful. Advice sought.
> Should I just go with some Dell monitor? Other ideas? I've already 
> tricked it up with a keyboard and mouse, the only thing remaining is a 
> quality monitor with the same aspect-ratio.
>
> Suggestions are invited.
>
> --
> Arthur
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
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>
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From jbartow at winhaven.net  Thu Dec 19 23:17:07 2013
From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2013 23:17:07 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Confederate pictures in the Army War College? Oh My!
In-Reply-To: <042401cefc8b$6cf2d3b0$46d87b10$@winhaven.net>
References: <042401cefc8b$6cf2d3b0$46d87b10$@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <05a401cefd42$bb4f2c40$31ed84c0$@winhaven.net>

Oops - sorry this was meant for OT - please ignore.

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow
Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2013 1:25 AM
To: DBA-Tech
Subject: [dba-Tech] Confederate pictures in the Army War College? Oh My!

Wow, Some people really have to do better reporting.
http://www.carlisle.army.mil/banner/article.cfm?id=3289

As for me, do I mind that there are confederate pictures or statues? No, as
long as they are not over represented. They were some brilliant military men
amongst the 'rebs.

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From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Fri Dec 20 08:56:42 2013
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2013 09:56:42 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Blackberries are safest?
In-Reply-To: <03f601cef9d6$58bd1f70$0a375e50$@winhaven.net>
References: <001701cef8ef$a8d31100$fa793300$@comcast.net>	<1837997810.93266119.1387090931528.JavaMail.root@cds002>	<001701cef9d3$836b5c30$8a421490$@comcast.net>
	<03f601cef9d6$58bd1f70$0a375e50$@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <52B45AAA.1060000@torchlake.com>

That was my experience as well.  Loved the little device, but the 
software was awful.
TNF

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
231-322-2787

On 12/15/2013 3:43 PM, John Bartow wrote:
> I have one customer who loves his Blackberry. It has been the biggest PITA
> of all devices, including icrap (which are very particular about wireless
> access points for some reason.) The BB device itself is fine, the desktop
> sync software OTOH is horrible.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
> Sent: Sunday, December 15, 2013 2:23 PM
> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Blackberries are safest?
>
> Jim,
>
> My guess is that the Blackberry was probably the best platform to start
> with.  Maybe they set up a private network with special frequencies that
> never touches the network that all other Blackberry's use.
>
> I also think I remember reading that Obama really liked his Blackberry!
> I've worked with a couple of people who really felt the same way.
>
> Dan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
> Sent: Sunday, December 15, 2013 1:02 AM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Blackberries are safest?
>
> Hi Dan:
>
> You would think that any cell phone could be modified to have the same level
> of security...but then again, maybe not?
>
> Jim
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dan Waters" <df.waters at comcast.net>
> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
> <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2013 9:12:24 AM
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Blackberries are safest?
>
> Hi Jim,
>
> When Obama first became president, he wasn't allowed to continue to use the
> cellphone (a Blackberry) he used as a senator.  He insisted that he be able
> to use one, and within a couple of months, one had been uniquely  and
> heavily modified to have sufficient security to use as president's
> cellphone.  Some other people he communicates with frequently have the same
> heavily modified phone.
>
> He is NOT using a cellphone that anyone can buy.  There is nothing about his
> cellphone that could be used to assess the security capability of any other
> phone, including a standard Blackberry.
>
> Dan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
> Sent: Friday, December 13, 2013 8:13 PM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: [dba-Tech] Blackberries are safest?
>
> H All:
>
> The US president can use a cell phone as long as it is a Blackberry. The
> reasons sited for not using other market products is because of security,
> lack of encryption and no single central control point. In these days of the
> NSA who can you trust.
>
> http://www.tomsguide.com/us/why-obama-cant-use-iphone,news-17949.html
>
> Aside: The core to the Blackberry code, much like Apple used BSD, came from
> version of UNIX called QNX. (It is also used by the local observatory.)
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QNX
>
> Jim
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Dec 23 11:53:33 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2013 10:53:33 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Five repair jobs to avoid
In-Reply-To: <00ad01cefcf8$3d772330$b8656990$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1362806981.101876852.1387821213183.JavaMail.root@cds002>

Hi All:

The following products are not designed to repair...

http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/cracking-open/five-most-annoying-cracking-open-teardowns-of-2013/#ftag=RSS56d97e7

Jim

From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Mon Dec 23 12:21:55 2013
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2013 22:21:55 +0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?FYI=3A_Awesome_list_of_dev_and_power_user_to?=
 =?utf-8?q?ols_for_Windows_from_Scot_Hanselman?=
Message-ID: <1387822915.104936245@f269.i.mail.ru>

 Hi All --

FYI: " Scott Hanselman's 2014 Ultimate Developer and Power Users Tool List for Windows "

http://www.hanselman.com/blog/ScottHanselmans2014UltimateDeveloperAndPowerUsersToolListForWindows.aspx


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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Dec 24 06:40:51 2013
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2013 13:40:51 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] GitHub is not just for Linux anymore
Message-ID: <s2b98ef5.013@cactus.dk>

Hi all

I didn't know about GitHub Pages:

http://24ways.org/2013/get-started-with-github-pages/

/gustav

>>> accessd at shaw.ca 22-05-12 17:49 >>>
Introducing GitHub For Windows.

http://haacked.com/archive/2012/05/21/introducing-github-for-windows.aspx

Jim


From Gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Dec 24 07:24:56 2013
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2013 14:24:56 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] GitHub is not just for Linux anymore
Message-ID: <s2b99948.015@cactus.dk>

Hi all

If you are using Windows and the Windows client, this page will get you started:

http://pages.github.com/

Select at What git client are you using?: GitHub for Windows

/gustav

>>> Gustav at cactus.dk 24-12-13 13:40 >>>
Hi all

I didn't know about GitHub Pages:

http://24ways.org/2013/get-started-with-github-pages/

/gustav

>>> accessd at shaw.ca 22-05-12 17:49 >>>
Introducing GitHub For Windows.

http://haacked.com/archive/2012/05/21/introducing-github-for-windows.aspx

Jim

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Dec 24 23:09:16 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2013 22:09:16 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [dba-Tech] GitHub is not just for Linux anymore
In-Reply-To: <s2b98ef5.013@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <746604890.103282149.1387948156187.JavaMail.root@cds002>

Hi Gustav:

That is an excellent link...to be put aside until after Christmas.

Jim 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <Gustav at cactus.dk>
To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
Sent: Tuesday, 24 December, 2013 4:40:51 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] GitHub is not just for Linux anymore

Hi all

I didn't know about GitHub Pages:

http://24ways.org/2013/get-started-with-github-pages/

/gustav

>>> accessd at shaw.ca 22-05-12 17:49 >>>
Introducing GitHub For Windows.

http://haacked.com/archive/2012/05/21/introducing-github-for-windows.aspx

Jim

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Dec 24 23:47:31 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2013 22:47:31 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [dba-Tech] FYI: Awesome list of dev and power user tools for
 Windows from Scot Hanselman
In-Reply-To: <1387822915.104936245@f269.i.mail.ru>
Message-ID: <1664706980.103293066.1387950451473.JavaMail.root@cds002>

Hi Shamil:

That is a great list of applications...now that will take a while to through.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" <mcp2004 at mail.ru>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, 23 December, 2013 10:21:55 AM
Subject: [dba-Tech] FYI: Awesome list of dev and power user tools for Windows from Scot Hanselman

 Hi All --

FYI: " Scott Hanselman's 2014 Ultimate Developer and Power Users Tool List for Windows "

http://www.hanselman.com/blog/ScottHanselmans2014UltimateDeveloperAndPowerUsersToolListForWindows.aspx


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From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Wed Dec 25 04:13:27 2013
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2013 14:13:27 +0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?GitHub_is_not_just_for_Linux_anymore?=
In-Reply-To: <s2b99948.015@cactus.dk>
References: <s2b99948.015@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <1387966407.905762300@f427.i.mail.ru>

 Hi Gustav --

Yes, GitHub Pages is very interesting application of GitHub. I didn't know about it. Thank you.

As for MS Windows Git(Hub) client - I'm using GitExt ( https://code.google.com/p/gitextensions/ ). It was recommended to me by experienced Git(Hub) users: about a month ago I have got an opportunity to participate in an open source project kept on GitHub and I have learned quite a few on Git "tricks". IMO Git definitely beats all existing source code/version control development tools. Historically I'm still using Mercurial but I do plan to switch to Git in short period of time. I now know from my own practice what branch(ing), checkout, rebase, PR etc. means on Git jargon and how powerful and supportive these Git Features could be for an experienced dev(s team).

I have also created an account on? https://www.atlassian.com/ ?and I have got subscribed to JIRA Agile ( https://www.atlassian.com/software/jira ) and I have got my current customer project's issues/features managed via JIRA Agile: I have just done with it last night. I liked it, still I'd make it somehow more straightforward, as I'm still feeling a bit "lost" in a such powerful project issues/features/bugs management tool's menus and screens. Well, I must note I didn't use almost any tutorials before I started to use it.

And AFAIU there is a way to "bind" Git(Hub) and Atlassian JIRA and their (Atlassian's) continuous integration tool (Bamboo?...) and their specs/project discussion board tool (Confluence?)... to create a rather high level software development/testing and deployment automation environment, which should be affordable and non-distracting even for "one-man" software dev shops. Actually if such a dev environment can be created it would be rather easy to get parts of project delegated to other devs as with using Git branching there will be zero chances that subcontracted devs could somehow introduce bugs in the main code base...

FYI: here is the list of Atlassian dev tools some of which I have mentioned above:? https://www.atlassian.com/purchase/

Thank you.

-- Shamil


Tuesday, December 24, 2013 2:24 PM +01:00 from "Gustav Brock" <Gustav at cactus.dk>:
>Hi all
>
>If you are using Windows and the Windows client, this page will get you started:
>
>http://pages.github.com/
>
>Select at What git client are you using?: GitHub for Windows
>
>/gustav
>
>>>>  Gustav at cactus.dk 24-12-13 13:40 >>>
>Hi all
>
>I didn't know about GitHub Pages:
>
>http://24ways.org/2013/get-started-with-github-pages/
>
>/gustav
>
>>>>  accessd at shaw.ca 22-05-12 17:49 >>>
>Introducing GitHub For Windows.
>
>http://haacked.com/archive/2012/05/21/introducing-github-for-windows.aspx
>
>Jim
>
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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Dec 25 08:45:04 2013
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2013 15:45:04 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] GitHub is not just for Linux anymore
Message-ID: <s2bafda5.019@cactus.dk>

Hi Shamil

Thanks. I browsed the various tools but realize I don't have the need as I mostly work alone.
A major drawback with GitHub is that it is not free to use if you need private repositories. Most of what I write is indeed not public. However, from time to time you meet open-source Projects where the only "download" option is to retrieve it from GitHub and then it is nice to have the client ready at hand.

Further, as I have local servers running and I only use Visual Studio, the Team Foundation Server Express may be a better option for me where free GitHub doesn't fit:

http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=38190

/gustav


>>> mcp2004 at mail.ru 25-12-13 11:13 >>>
 Hi Gustav --

Yes, GitHub Pages is very interesting application of GitHub. I didn't know about it. Thank you.

As for MS Windows Git(Hub) client - I'm using GitExt ( https://code.google.com/p/gitextensions/ ). It was recommended to me by experienced Git(Hub) users: about a month ago I have got an opportunity to participate in an open source project kept on GitHub and I have learned quite a few on Git "tricks". IMO Git definitely beats all existing source code/version control development tools. Historically I'm still using Mercurial but I do plan to switch to Git in short period of time. I now know from my own practice what branch(ing), checkout, rebase, PR etc. means on Git jargon and how powerful and supportive these Git Features could be for an experienced dev(s team).

I have also created an account on* https://www.atlassian.com/ *and I have got subscribed to JIRA Agile ( https://www.atlassian.com/software/jira ) and I have got my current customer project's issues/features managed via JIRA Agile: I have just done with it last night. I liked it, still I'd make it somehow more straightforward, as I'm still feeling a bit "lost" in a such powerful project issues/features/bugs management tool's menus and screens. Well, I must note I didn't use almost any tutorials before I started to use it.

And AFAIU there is a way to "bind" Git(Hub) and Atlassian JIRA and their (Atlassian's) continuous integration tool (Bamboo?...) and their specs/project discussion board tool (Confluence?)... to create a rather high level software development/testing and deployment automation environment, which should be affordable and non-distracting even for "one-man" software dev shops. Actually if such a dev environment can be created it would be rather easy to get parts of project delegated to other devs as with using Git branching there will be zero chances that subcontracted devs could somehow introduce bugs in the main code base...

FYI: here is the list of Atlassian dev tools some of which I have mentioned above:* https://www.atlassian.com/purchase/

Thank you.

-- Shamil


Tuesday, December 24, 2013 2:24 PM +01:00 from "Gustav Brock" <Gustav at cactus.dk>:
>Hi all
>
>If you are using Windows and the Windows client, this page will get you started:
>
>http://pages.github.com/
>
>Select at What git client are you using?: GitHub for Windows
>
>/gustav
>
>>>>  Gustav at cactus.dk 24-12-13 13:40 >>>
>Hi all
>
>I didn't know about GitHub Pages:
>
>http://24ways.org/2013/get-started-with-github-pages/
>
>/gustav
>
>>>>  accessd at shaw.ca 22-05-12 17:49 >>>
>Introducing GitHub For Windows.
>
>http://haacked.com/archive/2012/05/21/introducing-github-for-windows.aspx
>
>Jim



From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Wed Dec 25 12:04:08 2013
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2013 22:04:08 +0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?GitHub_is_not_just_for_Linux_anymore?=
In-Reply-To: <s2bafda5.019@cactus.dk>
References: <s2bafda5.019@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <1387994648.658565839@f340.i.mail.ru>

 Hi Gustav --

You can have unlimited private free code repositories on BitBucket ( https://bitbucket.org/ ) for 5 users.
Actually, I have been flawlessly using BitBucket with Mercurial for all my customers' and my own source code for a couple+ of years now.
I've got started to use Mercurial based on this recommendation? http://www.joelonsoftware.com/items/2010/03/17.html ?and I missed Git that time.
That was a wrong choice.

BitBucket also supports Git ( https://confluence.atlassian.com/display/BITBUCKET/Bitbucket+101 ).

So you can use Git with GitHub for free for open source public projects and BitBucket also for free for your private/customers projects.

Sorry, I doubt TFS can effectively compete with GitHub and/or BitBucket. I can be wrong.

Please note that Git is a unique source/version control system, *version* control is a keyword here. One have to try to use it in a real life projects better in a team to realize what power it brings "on the table". Try it. You'll never look back. Believe me. (Note aslo that Git comes from Linus Torvalds? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Git_(software ))

Read this? https://www.atlassian.com/git/workflows# !workflow-gitflow

And better - all tutorials form here:? https://www.atlassian.com/git

Thank you.

-- Shamil


Wednesday, December 25, 2013 3:45 PM +01:00 from "Gustav Brock" <Gustav at cactus.dk>:
>Hi Shamil
>
>Thanks. I browsed the various tools but realize I don't have the need as I mostly work alone.
>A major drawback with GitHub is that it is not free to use if you need private repositories. Most of what I write is indeed not public. However, from time to time you meet open-source Projects where the only "download" option is to retrieve it from GitHub and then it is nice to have the client ready at hand.
>
>Further, as I have local servers running and I only use Visual Studio, the Team Foundation Server Express may be a better option for me where free GitHub doesn't fit:
>
>http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=38190
>
>/gustav
>
>
>>>>  mcp2004 at mail.ru 25-12-13 11:13 >>>
>?Hi Gustav --
>
>Yes, GitHub Pages is very interesting application of GitHub. I didn't know about it. Thank you.
>
>As for MS Windows Git(Hub) client - I'm using GitExt (  https://code.google.com/p/gitextensions/ ). It was recommended to me by experienced Git(Hub) users: about a month ago I have got an opportunity to participate in an open source project kept on GitHub and I have learned quite a few on Git "tricks". IMO Git definitely beats all existing source code/version control development tools. Historically I'm still using Mercurial but I do plan to switch to Git in short period of time. I now know from my own practice what branch(ing), checkout, rebase, PR etc. means on Git jargon and how powerful and supportive these Git Features could be for an experienced dev(s team).
>
>I have also created an account on*  https://www.atlassian.com/ *and I have got subscribed to JIRA Agile (  https://www.atlassian.com/software/jira ) and I have got my current customer project's issues/features managed via JIRA Agile: I have just done with it last night. I liked it, still I'd make it somehow more straightforward, as I'm still feeling a bit "lost" in a such powerful project issues/features/bugs management tool's menus and screens. Well, I must note I didn't use almost any tutorials before I started to use it.
>
>And AFAIU there is a way to "bind" Git(Hub) and Atlassian JIRA and their (Atlassian's) continuous integration tool (Bamboo?...) and their specs/project discussion board tool (Confluence?)... to create a rather high level software development/testing and deployment automation environment, which should be affordable and non-distracting even for "one-man" software dev shops. Actually if such a dev environment can be created it would be rather easy to get parts of project delegated to other devs as with using Git branching there will be zero chances that subcontracted devs could somehow introduce bugs in the main code base...
>
>FYI: here is the list of Atlassian dev tools some of which I have mentioned above:*  https://www.atlassian.com/purchase/
>
>Thank you.
>
>-- Shamil
>
>
>Tuesday, December 24, 2013 2:24 PM +01:00 from "Gustav Brock" < Gustav at cactus.dk >:
>>Hi all
>>
>>If you are using Windows and the Windows client, this page will get you started:
>>
>> http://pages.github.com/
>>
>>Select at What git client are you using?: GitHub for Windows
>>
>>/gustav
>>
>>>>>  Gustav at cactus.dk 24-12-13 13:40 >>>
>>Hi all
>>
>>I didn't know about GitHub Pages:
>>
>> http://24ways.org/2013/get-started-with-github-pages/
>>
>>/gustav
>>
>>>>>  accessd at shaw.ca 22-05-12 17:49 >>>
>>Introducing GitHub For Windows.
>>
>> http://haacked.com/archive/2012/05/21/introducing-github-for-windows.aspx
>>
>>Jim
>
>
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Wed Dec 25 15:11:13 2013
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2013 16:11:13 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] TeraCopy
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1gX9qnZCQGtvZJaNONpNAKhTDSebeaHp-q4=HmQpMuvOw@mail.gmail.com>

This morning I downloaded TeraCopy, a free utility that copies large
numbers of files from here to there, and I have to say that it is awesome.
It copies files lots faster than anything I have used.

-- 
Arthur

From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu Dec 26 07:11:34 2013
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2013 23:11:34 +1000
Subject: [dba-Tech] TeraCopy
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1gX9qnZCQGtvZJaNONpNAKhTDSebeaHp-q4=HmQpMuvOw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1gX9qnZCQGtvZJaNONpNAKhTDSebeaHp-q4=HmQpMuvOw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <52BC2B06.32626.D49CEEDE@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

I've been using it for years.  The biggest advantage for me is that it doesn't bail out in the 
middle of a copying a bunch of files if one file is corrupt or locked.  It just logs the failure, 
skips the file and continues with the job.

(Great for recovering whatever you can from a corrupt disk of any sort)

-- 
Stuart

On 25 Dec 2013 at 16:11, Arthur Fuller wrote:

> This morning I downloaded TeraCopy, a free utility that copies large
> numbers of files from here to there, and I have to say that it is
> awesome. It copies files lots faster than anything I have used.
> 
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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Dec 26 12:29:33 2013
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2013 19:29:33 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech]  Windows 8.1 delayed user logon script
Message-ID: <s2bc83bf.021@cactus.dk>

Hi all

Here's a nasty one. To boot faster to the desktop, Windows 8.1 has introduced a default delay of 5 minutes(!) in running the global user logon scripts for AD. 
This causes much confusion so you may wish to minimize this delay as much as possible.
It can be done by setting some registry entries from the machine startup script called by a group policy:

<vbscript>
Option Explicit

' Main script

  Dim objShell

  Dim strPath
  Dim strKeyEnable
  Dim strKeyDelay
  Dim intValEnable
  Dim intValDelay

  strPath = "HKLM\SYSTEM\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\System\"
  strKeyEnable = "EnableLogonScriptDelay"
  strKeyDelay = "AsyncScriptDelay"
  intValEnable = 1
  intValDelay = 1

  Set objShell = CreateObject("WScript.Shell")

  objShell.RegWrite strPath & strKeyEnable, intValEnable, "REG_DWORD"
  objShell.RegWrite strPath & strKeyDelay, intValDelay, "REG_DWORD"

  Set objShell = Nothing

' End script
' -----------------------------------------------------
</vbscript>

I found the solution here:

http://sdmsoftware.com/group-policy-blog/tips-tricks/warning-group-policy-logon-scripts-delays-in-windows-8-1/

/gustav



From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Fri Dec 27 10:50:07 2013
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2013 11:50:07 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 8 and 8.1
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1imyCefwQSk-z0HnTLpR40ROp-4-uji1Y62XhqfQwTuXQ@mail.gmail.com>

First off, I like Windows 8 and especially 8.1 a lot. I know that lots of
people don't, but I have grown into it. One possible reason is that an
external monitor is connected to my laptop. That allows me to run the Win8
UI on the laptop and the Desktop on the external, and just drag the mouse
from one screen to the other, so I run stuff on both at once. It helps to
have 8GB of RAM; that helps a lot.

But there are a few things that I still can't find. Such as, which version
of Win8.1 am I running? I used to know how to find that in Win7 and cannot
locate this info in Win8.1. I also cannot find, despite the little guide
that came with this Dell laptop, how to switch from cabled to wireless. The
guide says it's F2 but that doesn't seem to work. Maybe I'm supposed to
hold down some additional key as I press F2. Don't know.

I also have a set of Logitcch speakers and I did notice that there are on
the aide of the laptop a pair of jack inputs, one for microphone and the
other for headphones., according to the guide. Do I just plug the speaker
jack into the headphone jack?

Any ideas, anyone? The laptop in question is a Dell Inspiron with 8GB RAM
and 1TB hard disk (and not that it matters, but a couple of TB USB
externals attached).

And before closing this message, I want to praise Dell Canada for their
superb support. The hard disk failed after about 7 months, so the local
dealer said that I had to deal direct with Dell. I ran Diags and obtained
the error number and phoned Dell and quoted chapter and verse; they sent me
a container by Purolator with instructions on how to package it, and a
number to call for pickup. Purolator arrived a day later to pick up the
laptop. Three days later it was delivered back to me, with most of the data
recovered, and a spanking-new hard disk in place/ That round-trip must have
cost them $50, aside from the labour costs. I sparked it up and Presto!
Everthing worrked. They didn't manage to recover all my data, but since I
have several USB externals attached and schedulued backups, it only took me
a few minutes to put everything back in place. This is the first Dell I've
ever owned, but on the strength of their support policy I will recommend
this company to every present and future client, and family member.

One last thing: being a bi-OS-ual, spending half my time in Windows and the
rest in Linux, with 8GB of RAM this works splendidly. So well, in fact,
that I have a couple of different versions of Linux in Virtual Boxes, and
sometimes run them both at once. The only thing I haven't figured out is
how to create an XP Virtual Machine; I have an old client or two that has
not yet moved beyond XP and once in a while I need to do maintenance on
them. In the ideal world, I would have a VM for each client/friend/family
member, so I could just switch from this one to that one, and essentially
be running a duplicate of their system, albeit with outdated data, but the
data doesn't matter, it's the code that matters. So that means that for
client ABC, he's running XP and refuses to migrate, and he has an Access
app against a MySQL back end, and refuses the risks of upgrading. Client
BCD has Win7 Pro and an Access app against an MS-SQL back end, and refuses
to upgrade. Client DEF has an Unbuntu installation running a PHP/Javascript
site with MySQL in the back end.

That will suffice for now. Then there is me, always the experimenter and
explorer, playing with the latest release of Python and whatever else
interests me (I hereby confess that I'm a coding slut, always interested in
every available language, from C++ to assembly to VBA to Eiffel (and kudos
to Bertrand Meyer for showing us the way). I suppose that you could
describe this as my problem. The only language in which I am confident in
declaring my fluency is VBA. In the rest, I am at best conversational.

And just to reveal how out of the current loops I am, last night I re-read
Albert Camus's "The Rebel", for about the fourth time. Tomorrow it's Tom
Pynchon's "Gravity's Rainbow" for the fourth time. But before I leave
Camus, a month or so ago I had a conversation with my friend Audra, and
somehow the topic of Camus and "The Rebel" came up. And I vaguely quoted,
and said "This book is about the relationship between the Master and the
Slave, and it proves that The Slave is always in control, because at some
point he will say, Rather than suffer this abuse, I prefer to die. And at
that point, the Master has lost all his power. That spoke to my soul. That
told me almost everything I needed to know. It didn't teach me how to make
love to a woman and I still don't know that, but it did teach me how to
behave in the public world. I will never forget that: the moment when the
Slave says he would rather die than suffer the crap the Master shovels upon
him, that is the definition of Progress.

-- 
Arthur

From peter.brawley at earthlink.net  Fri Dec 27 11:04:18 2013
From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley)
Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2013 11:04:18 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 8 and 8.1
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1imyCefwQSk-z0HnTLpR40ROp-4-uji1Y62XhqfQwTuXQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1imyCefwQSk-z0HnTLpR40ROp-4-uji1Y62XhqfQwTuXQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <52BDB312.10408@earthlink.net>

On 2013-12-27 10:50 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote:
> First off, I like Windows 8 and especially 8.1 a lot. I know that lots of
> people don't, but I have grown into it. One possible reason is that an
> external monitor is connected to my laptop. That allows me to run the Win8
> UI on the laptop and the Desktop on the external, and just drag the mouse
> from one screen to the other, so I run stuff on both at once. It helps to
> have 8GB of RAM; that helps a lot.
>
> But there are a few things that I still can't find. Such as, which version
> of Win8.1 am I running? I used to know how to find that in Win7 and cannot
> locate this info in Win8.1. I also cannot find, despite the little guide
> that came with this Dell laptop, how to switch from cabled to wireless. The
> guide says it's F2 but that doesn't seem to work. Maybe I'm supposed to
> hold down some additional key as I press F2. Don't know.
>
> I also have a set of Logitcch speakers and I did notice that there are on
> the aide of the laptop a pair of jack inputs, one for microphone and the
> other for headphones., according to the guide. Do I just plug the speaker
> jack into the headphone jack?

No, that output is only big enough to drive headphones. It has to go to 
a receiver and then to your speakers.

PB
>
> Any ideas, anyone? The laptop in question is a Dell Inspiron with 8GB RAM
> and 1TB hard disk (and not that it matters, but a couple of TB USB
> externals attached).
>
> And before closing this message, I want to praise Dell Canada for their
> superb support. The hard disk failed after about 7 months, so the local
> dealer said that I had to deal direct with Dell. I ran Diags and obtained
> the error number and phoned Dell and quoted chapter and verse; they sent me
> a container by Purolator with instructions on how to package it, and a
> number to call for pickup. Purolator arrived a day later to pick up the
> laptop. Three days later it was delivered back to me, with most of the data
> recovered, and a spanking-new hard disk in place/ That round-trip must have
> cost them $50, aside from the labour costs. I sparked it up and Presto!
> Everthing worrked. They didn't manage to recover all my data, but since I
> have several USB externals attached and schedulued backups, it only took me
> a few minutes to put everything back in place. This is the first Dell I've
> ever owned, but on the strength of their support policy I will recommend
> this company to every present and future client, and family member.
>
> One last thing: being a bi-OS-ual, spending half my time in Windows and the
> rest in Linux, with 8GB of RAM this works splendidly. So well, in fact,
> that I have a couple of different versions of Linux in Virtual Boxes, and
> sometimes run them both at once. The only thing I haven't figured out is
> how to create an XP Virtual Machine; I have an old client or two that has
> not yet moved beyond XP and once in a while I need to do maintenance on
> them. In the ideal world, I would have a VM for each client/friend/family
> member, so I could just switch from this one to that one, and essentially
> be running a duplicate of their system, albeit with outdated data, but the
> data doesn't matter, it's the code that matters. So that means that for
> client ABC, he's running XP and refuses to migrate, and he has an Access
> app against a MySQL back end, and refuses the risks of upgrading. Client
> BCD has Win7 Pro and an Access app against an MS-SQL back end, and refuses
> to upgrade. Client DEF has an Unbuntu installation running a PHP/Javascript
> site with MySQL in the back end.
>
> That will suffice for now. Then there is me, always the experimenter and
> explorer, playing with the latest release of Python and whatever else
> interests me (I hereby confess that I'm a coding slut, always interested in
> every available language, from C++ to assembly to VBA to Eiffel (and kudos
> to Bertrand Meyer for showing us the way). I suppose that you could
> describe this as my problem. The only language in which I am confident in
> declaring my fluency is VBA. In the rest, I am at best conversational.
>
> And just to reveal how out of the current loops I am, last night I re-read
> Albert Camus's "The Rebel", for about the fourth time. Tomorrow it's Tom
> Pynchon's "Gravity's Rainbow" for the fourth time. But before I leave
> Camus, a month or so ago I had a conversation with my friend Audra, and
> somehow the topic of Camus and "The Rebel" came up. And I vaguely quoted,
> and said "This book is about the relationship between the Master and the
> Slave, and it proves that The Slave is always in control, because at some
> point he will say, Rather than suffer this abuse, I prefer to die. And at
> that point, the Master has lost all his power. That spoke to my soul. That
> told me almost everything I needed to know. It didn't teach me how to make
> love to a woman and I still don't know that, but it did teach me how to
> behave in the public world. I will never forget that: the moment when the
> Slave says he would rather die than suffer the crap the Master shovels upon
> him, that is the definition of Progress.
>


From garykjos at gmail.com  Fri Dec 27 11:03:52 2013
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2013 11:03:52 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 8 and 8.1
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1imyCefwQSk-z0HnTLpR40ROp-4-uji1Y62XhqfQwTuXQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1imyCefwQSk-z0HnTLpR40ROp-4-uji1Y62XhqfQwTuXQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJ2R_pJwe7eK0GDnFg_2nceCigBCh1_DeTYFhJHFoB19MSXJQw@mail.gmail.com>

As far as the speaker connection... yes you can just plug the speaker plug
into the headphone jack.  You will get much better sound if you spend a
little $$ on a USB sound card though.




-- 
Gary Kjos
garykjos at gmail.com

From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Fri Dec 27 11:29:49 2013
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2013 12:29:49 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 8 and 8.1
In-Reply-To: <CAJ2R_pJwe7eK0GDnFg_2nceCigBCh1_DeTYFhJHFoB19MSXJQw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1imyCefwQSk-z0HnTLpR40ROp-4-uji1Y62XhqfQwTuXQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJ2R_pJwe7eK0GDnFg_2nceCigBCh1_DeTYFhJHFoB19MSXJQw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1j_Q=iioWx7TwQmpad=n_iuuRyh=FW4h8_=WkKKCxr=Dg@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Peter and Gary, I will expirment and see what obtains.


On Fri, Dec 27, 2013 at 12:03 PM, Gary Kjos <garykjos at gmail.com> wrote:

> As far as the speaker connection... yes you can just plug the speaker plug
> into the headphone jack.  You will get much better sound if you spend a
> little $$ on a USB sound card though.
>
>
>
>
> --
> Gary Kjos
> garykjos at gmail.com
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>



-- 
Arthur

From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Fri Dec 27 11:30:56 2013
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2013 21:30:56 +0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?Windows_8_and_8=2E1?=
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1imyCefwQSk-z0HnTLpR40ROp-4-uji1Y62XhqfQwTuXQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1imyCefwQSk-z0HnTLpR40ROp-4-uji1Y62XhqfQwTuXQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1388165456.438311128@f413.i.mail.ru>

 Hi Arthur --

Try the following utility to make a VM clone of your client WinXP box:
http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/ee656415.aspx

It worked well for me for Win 2003 Server, Win7 and Win8.

-- Shamil

Friday, December 27, 2013 11:50 AM -05:00 from Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com>:
>First off, I like Windows 8 and especially 8.1 a lot. I know that lots of
>people don't, but I have grown into it. One possible reason is that an
>external monitor is connected to my laptop. That allows me to run the Win8
>UI on the laptop and the Desktop on the external, and just drag the mouse
>from one screen to the other, so I run stuff on both at once. It helps to
>have 8GB of RAM; that helps a lot.
>
>But there are a few things that I still can't find. Such as, which version
>of Win8.1 am I running? I used to know how to find that in Win7 and cannot
>locate this info in Win8.1. I also cannot find, despite the little guide
>that came with this Dell laptop, how to switch from cabled to wireless. The
>guide says it's F2 but that doesn't seem to work. Maybe I'm supposed to
>hold down some additional key as I press F2. Don't know.
>
>I also have a set of Logitcch speakers and I did notice that there are on
>the aide of the laptop a pair of jack inputs, one for microphone and the
>other for headphones., according to the guide. Do I just plug the speaker
>jack into the headphone jack?
>
>Any ideas, anyone? The laptop in question is a Dell Inspiron with 8GB RAM
>and 1TB hard disk (and not that it matters, but a couple of TB USB
>externals attached).
>
>And before closing this message, I want to praise Dell Canada for their
>superb support. The hard disk failed after about 7 months, so the local
>dealer said that I had to deal direct with Dell. I ran Diags and obtained
>the error number and phoned Dell and quoted chapter and verse; they sent me
>a container by Purolator with instructions on how to package it, and a
>number to call for pickup. Purolator arrived a day later to pick up the
>laptop. Three days later it was delivered back to me, with most of the data
>recovered, and a spanking-new hard disk in place/ That round-trip must have
>cost them $50, aside from the labour costs. I sparked it up and Presto!
>Everthing worrked. They didn't manage to recover all my data, but since I
>have several USB externals attached and schedulued backups, it only took me
>a few minutes to put everything back in place. This is the first Dell I've
>ever owned, but on the strength of their support policy I will recommend
>this company to every present and future client, and family member.
>
>One last thing: being a bi-OS-ual, spending half my time in Windows and the
>rest in Linux, with 8GB of RAM this works splendidly. So well, in fact,
>that I have a couple of different versions of Linux in Virtual Boxes, and
>sometimes run them both at once. The only thing I haven't figured out is
>how to create an XP Virtual Machine; I have an old client or two that has
>not yet moved beyond XP and once in a while I need to do maintenance on
>them. In the ideal world, I would have a VM for each client/friend/family
>member, so I could just switch from this one to that one, and essentially
>be running a duplicate of their system, albeit with outdated data, but the
>data doesn't matter, it's the code that matters. So that means that for
>client ABC, he's running XP and refuses to migrate, and he has an Access
>app against a MySQL back end, and refuses the risks of upgrading. Client
>BCD has Win7 Pro and an Access app against an MS-SQL back end, and refuses
>to upgrade. Client DEF has an Unbuntu installation running a PHP/Javascript
>site with MySQL in the back end.
>
>That will suffice for now. Then there is me, always the experimenter and
>explorer, playing with the latest release of Python and whatever else
>interests me (I hereby confess that I'm a coding slut, always interested in
>every available language, from C++ to assembly to VBA to Eiffel (and kudos
>to Bertrand Meyer for showing us the way). I suppose that you could
>describe this as my problem. The only language in which I am confident in
>declaring my fluency is VBA. In the rest, I am at best conversational.
>
>And just to reveal how out of the current loops I am, last night I re-read
>Albert Camus's "The Rebel", for about the fourth time. Tomorrow it's Tom
>Pynchon's "Gravity's Rainbow" for the fourth time. But before I leave
>Camus, a month or so ago I had a conversation with my friend Audra, and
>somehow the topic of Camus and "The Rebel" came up. And I vaguely quoted,
>and said "This book is about the relationship between the Master and the
>Slave, and it proves that The Slave is always in control, because at some
>point he will say, Rather than suffer this abuse, I prefer to die. And at
>that point, the Master has lost all his power. That spoke to my soul. That
>told me almost everything I needed to know. It didn't teach me how to make
>love to a woman and I still don't know that, but it did teach me how to
>behave in the public world. I will never forget that: the moment when the
>Slave says he would rather die than suffer the crap the Master shovels upon
>him, that is the definition of Progress.
>
>-- 
>Arthur
>_______________________________________________
>dba-Tech mailing list
>dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>Website:  http://www.databaseadvisors.com


-- 
???????????? ??????

From Gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Dec 27 12:58:23 2013
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2013 19:58:23 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 8 and 8.1
Message-ID: <s2bddc02.031@cactus.dk>

Hi Arthur

It sounds like you manage to keep off the streets.

As for the version info, call ver at a command prompt:

C:\Users\Gustav.CACTUS>ver
Microsoft Windows [Version 6.3.9600]

or right-click This computer. Windows version is written top-left.

If your speakers are powered, the light-green mini-jack should match your headphone output.

/gustav

>>> fuller.artful at gmail.com 27-12-13 17:50 >>>
First off, I like Windows 8 and especially 8.1 a lot. I know that lots of
people don't, but I have grown into it. One possible reason is that an
external monitor is connected to my laptop. That allows me to run the Win8
UI on the laptop and the Desktop on the external, and just drag the mouse
from one screen to the other, so I run stuff on both at once. It helps to
have 8GB of RAM; that helps a lot.

But there are a few things that I still can't find. Such as, which version
of Win8.1 am I running? I used to know how to find that in Win7 and cannot
locate this info in Win8.1. I also cannot find, despite the little guide
that came with this Dell laptop, how to switch from cabled to wireless. The
guide says it's F2 but that doesn't seem to work. Maybe I'm supposed to
hold down some additional key as I press F2. Don't know.

I also have a set of Logitcch speakers and I did notice that there are on
the aide of the laptop a pair of jack inputs, one for microphone and the
other for headphones., according to the guide. Do I just plug the speaker
jack into the headphone jack?

Any ideas, anyone? The laptop in question is a Dell Inspiron with 8GB RAM
and 1TB hard disk (and not that it matters, but a couple of TB USB
externals attached).

And before closing this message, I want to praise Dell Canada for their
superb support. The hard disk failed after about 7 months, so the local
dealer said that I had to deal direct with Dell. I ran Diags and obtained
the error number and phoned Dell and quoted chapter and verse; they sent me
a container by Purolator with instructions on how to package it, and a
number to call for pickup. Purolator arrived a day later to pick up the
laptop. Three days later it was delivered back to me, with most of the data
recovered, and a spanking-new hard disk in place/ That round-trip must have
cost them $50, aside from the labour costs. I sparked it up and Presto!
Everthing worrked. They didn't manage to recover all my data, but since I
have several USB externals attached and schedulued backups, it only took me
a few minutes to put everything back in place. This is the first Dell I've
ever owned, but on the strength of their support policy I will recommend
this company to every present and future client, and family member.

One last thing: being a bi-OS-ual, spending half my time in Windows and the
rest in Linux, with 8GB of RAM this works splendidly. So well, in fact,
that I have a couple of different versions of Linux in Virtual Boxes, and
sometimes run them both at once. The only thing I haven't figured out is
how to create an XP Virtual Machine; I have an old client or two that has
not yet moved beyond XP and once in a while I need to do maintenance on
them. In the ideal world, I would have a VM for each client/friend/family
member, so I could just switch from this one to that one, and essentially
be running a duplicate of their system, albeit with outdated data, but the
data doesn't matter, it's the code that matters. So that means that for
client ABC, he's running XP and refuses to migrate, and he has an Access
app against a MySQL back end, and refuses the risks of upgrading. Client
BCD has Win7 Pro and an Access app against an MS-SQL back end, and refuses
to upgrade. Client DEF has an Unbuntu installation running a PHP/Javascript
site with MySQL in the back end.

That will suffice for now. Then there is me, always the experimenter and
explorer, playing with the latest release of Python and whatever else
interests me (I hereby confess that I'm a coding slut, always interested in
every available language, from C++ to assembly to VBA to Eiffel (and kudos
to Bertrand Meyer for showing us the way). I suppose that you could
describe this as my problem. The only language in which I am confident in
declaring my fluency is VBA. In the rest, I am at best conversational.

And just to reveal how out of the current loops I am, last night I re-read
Albert Camus's "The Rebel", for about the fourth time. Tomorrow it's Tom
Pynchon's "Gravity's Rainbow" for the fourth time. But before I leave
Camus, a month or so ago I had a conversation with my friend Audra, and
somehow the topic of Camus and "The Rebel" came up. And I vaguely quoted,
and said "This book is about the relationship between the Master and the
Slave, and it proves that The Slave is always in control, because at some
point he will say, Rather than suffer this abuse, I prefer to die. And at
that point, the Master has lost all his power. That spoke to my soul. That
told me almost everything I needed to know. It didn't teach me how to make
love to a woman and I still don't know that, but it did teach me how to
behave in the public world. I will never forget that: the moment when the
Slave says he would rather die than suffer the crap the Master shovels upon
him, that is the definition of Progress.

-- 
Arthur


From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Fri Dec 27 13:21:37 2013
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2013 14:21:37 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 8 and 8.1
In-Reply-To: <s2bddc02.031@cactus.dk>
References: <s2bddc02.031@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1gbnAbm9fxFW4HEFQ53VzS4yC5NVHK7JZgidTDEngJ7hw@mail.gmail.com>

Sound problem totally sollved. Listening to Arcade Fire right now and it's
gorgeous. If you don't know who they are, you can search YouTube. Best
thing out of Canada in a few decades.

Wow, this sound system and this music are so beautiful. I am one very happy
camper, but must admit that it is cutting into my work schedule LOL.

P.S.

For anyone interested in CDN music, look for Rough Trade and Mary Margaret
O'Hara.

A.


On Fri, Dec 27, 2013 at 1:58 PM, Gustav Brock <Gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Hi Arthur
>
> It sounds like you manage to keep off the streets.
>
> As for the version info, call ver at a command prompt:
>
> C:\Users\Gustav.CACTUS>ver
> Microsoft Windows [Version 6.3.9600]
>
> or right-click This computer. Windows version is written top-left.
>
> If your speakers are powered, the light-green mini-jack should match your
> headphone output.
>
> /gustav
>
> >>> fuller.artful at gmail.com 27-12-13 17:50 >>>
> First off, I like Windows 8 and especially 8.1 a lot. I know that lots of
> people don't, but I have grown into it. One possible reason is that an
> external monitor is connected to my laptop. That allows me to run the Win8
> UI on the laptop and the Desktop on the external, and just drag the mouse
> from one screen to the other, so I run stuff on both at once. It helps to
> have 8GB of RAM; that helps a lot.
>
> But there are a few things that I still can't find. Such as, which version
> of Win8.1 am I running? I used to know how to find that in Win7 and cannot
> locate this info in Win8.1. I also cannot find, despite the little guide
> that came with this Dell laptop, how to switch from cabled to wireless. The
> guide says it's F2 but that doesn't seem to work. Maybe I'm supposed to
> hold down some additional key as I press F2. Don't know.
>
> I also have a set of Logitcch speakers and I did notice that there are on
> the aide of the laptop a pair of jack inputs, one for microphone and the
> other for headphones., according to the guide. Do I just plug the speaker
> jack into the headphone jack?
>
> Any ideas, anyone? The laptop in question is a Dell Inspiron with 8GB RAM
> and 1TB hard disk (and not that it matters, but a couple of TB USB
> externals attached).
>
> And before closing this message, I want to praise Dell Canada for their
> superb support. The hard disk failed after about 7 months, so the local
> dealer said that I had to deal direct with Dell. I ran Diags and obtained
> the error number and phoned Dell and quoted chapter and verse; they sent me
> a container by Purolator with instructions on how to package it, and a
> number to call for pickup. Purolator arrived a day later to pick up the
> laptop. Three days later it was delivered back to me, with most of the data
> recovered, and a spanking-new hard disk in place/ That round-trip must have
> cost them $50, aside from the labour costs. I sparked it up and Presto!
> Everthing worrked. They didn't manage to recover all my data, but since I
> have several USB externals attached and schedulued backups, it only took me
> a few minutes to put everything back in place. This is the first Dell I've
> ever owned, but on the strength of their support policy I will recommend
> this company to every present and future client, and family member.
>
> One last thing: being a bi-OS-ual, spending half my time in Windows and the
> rest in Linux, with 8GB of RAM this works splendidly. So well, in fact,
> that I have a couple of different versions of Linux in Virtual Boxes, and
> sometimes run them both at once. The only thing I haven't figured out is
> how to create an XP Virtual Machine; I have an old client or two that has
> not yet moved beyond XP and once in a while I need to do maintenance on
> them. In the ideal world, I would have a VM for each client/friend/family
> member, so I could just switch from this one to that one, and essentially
> be running a duplicate of their system, albeit with outdated data, but the
> data doesn't matter, it's the code that matters. So that means that for
> client ABC, he's running XP and refuses to migrate, and he has an Access
> app against a MySQL back end, and refuses the risks of upgrading. Client
> BCD has Win7 Pro and an Access app against an MS-SQL back end, and refuses
> to upgrade. Client DEF has an Unbuntu installation running a PHP/Javascript
> site with MySQL in the back end.
>
> That will suffice for now. Then there is me, always the experimenter and
> explorer, playing with the latest release of Python and whatever else
> interests me (I hereby confess that I'm a coding slut, always interested in
> every available language, from C++ to assembly to VBA to Eiffel (and kudos
> to Bertrand Meyer for showing us the way). I suppose that you could
> describe this as my problem. The only language in which I am confident in
> declaring my fluency is VBA. In the rest, I am at best conversational.
>
> And just to reveal how out of the current loops I am, last night I re-read
> Albert Camus's "The Rebel", for about the fourth time. Tomorrow it's Tom
> Pynchon's "Gravity's Rainbow" for the fourth time. But before I leave
> Camus, a month or so ago I had a conversation with my friend Audra, and
> somehow the topic of Camus and "The Rebel" came up. And I vaguely quoted,
> and said "This book is about the relationship between the Master and the
> Slave, and it proves that The Slave is always in control, because at some
> point he will say, Rather than suffer this abuse, I prefer to die. And at
> that point, the Master has lost all his power. That spoke to my soul. That
> told me almost everything I needed to know. It didn't teach me how to make
> love to a woman and I still don't know that, but it did teach me how to
> behave in the public world. I will never forget that: the moment when the
> Slave says he would rather die than suffer the crap the Master shovels upon
> him, that is the definition of Progress.
>
> --
> Arthur
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Fri Dec 27 21:57:05 2013
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2013 22:57:05 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] OT I know
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1j=dPh94XWQz2rLAGM+7NitFFiMZ3yHC49zQD+MG-5=6w@mail.gmail.com>

This only remotely relates to hardware issues, but I have to tell you about
the Starfit ceramic knives. They are awesome. Several times sharrper than
the most expensive steel knibves, and also they don't cause apples o pears
to brown upon sclicing. Their sharpness is beyond compare.

I own no shares in this corporation and in no way will profit from this
recommendation. That said, check them out. They are sold one by one or in a
set of five. If you're dubious or suspect my motives, buy one, and you
shall see what I[m talking about. These knives are beyopmd belief, and I
have absolutely no fiscal interest in this corporation. I'm just admiring
fab products when  see them, and these knives are beyond compare.

-- 
Arthur

From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Fri Dec 27 22:06:10 2013
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2013 20:06:10 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] OT I know
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1j=dPh94XWQz2rLAGM+7NitFFiMZ3yHC49zQD+MG-5=6w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1j=dPh94XWQz2rLAGM+7NitFFiMZ3yHC49zQD+MG-5=6w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F4924ADED1F14B8985DAFBE17D7B9B8F@HAL9007>

Looks like the Yoshi blade (as seen on TV!) that I have.  Dangerously sharp.
Slices through raw chuck steak like it was a block of tofu.  Except it's
cheap.

r 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Friday, December 27, 2013 7:57 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] OT I know

This only remotely relates to hardware issues, but I have to tell you about
the Starfit ceramic knives. They are awesome. Several times sharrper than
the most expensive steel knibves, and also they don't cause apples o pears
to brown upon sclicing. Their sharpness is beyond compare.

I own no shares in this corporation and in no way will profit from this
recommendation. That said, check them out. They are sold one by one or in a
set of five. If you're dubious or suspect my motives, buy one, and you shall
see what I[m talking about. These knives are beyopmd belief, and I have
absolutely no fiscal interest in this corporation. I'm just admiring fab
products when  see them, and these knives are beyond compare.

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sat Dec 28 00:57:05 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2013 23:57:05 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [dba-Tech] TeraCopy
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1gX9qnZCQGtvZJaNONpNAKhTDSebeaHp-q4=HmQpMuvOw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <315223680.105594744.1388213825629.JavaMail.root@cds002>

Hi Arthur:

That may be very useful.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Arthur Fuller" <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, 25 December, 2013 1:11:13 PM
Subject: [dba-Tech] TeraCopy

This morning I downloaded TeraCopy, a free utility that copies large
numbers of files from here to there, and I have to say that it is awesome.
It copies files lots faster than anything I have used.

-- 
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sat Dec 28 02:12:30 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2013 01:12:30 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 8 and 8.1
In-Reply-To: <1388165456.438311128@f413.i.mail.ru>
Message-ID: <1904538472.105613952.1388218350166.JavaMail.root@cds002>

Hi Arthur and Shamil:

I have not tried this myself, yet, but have been told the following instructions work when you want migrate an existing XP installation to a virtual drive like VirtualBox.

https://forums.virtualbox.org/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=22656

You don't need to use the Snapshot.exe referenced in the article as DriveImageXML works just as well.

Also activate ACPI and IO ACPI in your VB; see article https://www.virtualbox.org/manual/ch03.html for information on ACPI and EFI.

Also check out https://forums.virtualbox.org/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=10056 or if you want to try the following tool...http://vboxtool.sourceforge.net/ (Supposed to be great for creating unlimited XP containers on your Linux box.) ;-)

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" <mcp2004 at mail.ru>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, 27 December, 2013 9:30:56 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows 8 and 8.1

 Hi Arthur --

Try the following utility to make a VM clone of your client WinXP box:
http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/ee656415.aspx

It worked well for me for Win 2003 Server, Win7 and Win8.

-- Shamil

Friday, December 27, 2013 11:50 AM -05:00 from Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com>:
>First off, I like Windows 8 and especially 8.1 a lot. I know that lots of
>people don't, but I have grown into it. One possible reason is that an
>external monitor is connected to my laptop. That allows me to run the Win8
>UI on the laptop and the Desktop on the external, and just drag the mouse
>from one screen to the other, so I run stuff on both at once. It helps to
>have 8GB of RAM; that helps a lot.
>
>But there are a few things that I still can't find. Such as, which version
>of Win8.1 am I running? I used to know how to find that in Win7 and cannot
>locate this info in Win8.1. I also cannot find, despite the little guide
>that came with this Dell laptop, how to switch from cabled to wireless. The
>guide says it's F2 but that doesn't seem to work. Maybe I'm supposed to
>hold down some additional key as I press F2. Don't know.
>
>I also have a set of Logitcch speakers and I did notice that there are on
>the aide of the laptop a pair of jack inputs, one for microphone and the
>other for headphones., according to the guide. Do I just plug the speaker
>jack into the headphone jack?
>
>Any ideas, anyone? The laptop in question is a Dell Inspiron with 8GB RAM
>and 1TB hard disk (and not that it matters, but a couple of TB USB
>externals attached).
>
>And before closing this message, I want to praise Dell Canada for their
>superb support. The hard disk failed after about 7 months, so the local
>dealer said that I had to deal direct with Dell. I ran Diags and obtained
>the error number and phoned Dell and quoted chapter and verse; they sent me
>a container by Purolator with instructions on how to package it, and a
>number to call for pickup. Purolator arrived a day later to pick up the
>laptop. Three days later it was delivered back to me, with most of the data
>recovered, and a spanking-new hard disk in place/ That round-trip must have
>cost them $50, aside from the labour costs. I sparked it up and Presto!
>Everthing worrked. They didn't manage to recover all my data, but since I
>have several USB externals attached and schedulued backups, it only took me
>a few minutes to put everything back in place. This is the first Dell I've
>ever owned, but on the strength of their support policy I will recommend
>this company to every present and future client, and family member.
>
>One last thing: being a bi-OS-ual, spending half my time in Windows and the
>rest in Linux, with 8GB of RAM this works splendidly. So well, in fact,
>that I have a couple of different versions of Linux in Virtual Boxes, and
>sometimes run them both at once. The only thing I haven't figured out is
>how to create an XP Virtual Machine; I have an old client or two that has
>not yet moved beyond XP and once in a while I need to do maintenance on
>them. In the ideal world, I would have a VM for each client/friend/family
>member, so I could just switch from this one to that one, and essentially
>be running a duplicate of their system, albeit with outdated data, but the
>data doesn't matter, it's the code that matters. So that means that for
>client ABC, he's running XP and refuses to migrate, and he has an Access
>app against a MySQL back end, and refuses the risks of upgrading. Client
>BCD has Win7 Pro and an Access app against an MS-SQL back end, and refuses
>to upgrade. Client DEF has an Unbuntu installation running a PHP/Javascript
>site with MySQL in the back end.
>
>That will suffice for now. Then there is me, always the experimenter and
>explorer, playing with the latest release of Python and whatever else
>interests me (I hereby confess that I'm a coding slut, always interested in
>every available language, from C++ to assembly to VBA to Eiffel (and kudos
>to Bertrand Meyer for showing us the way). I suppose that you could
>describe this as my problem. The only language in which I am confident in
>declaring my fluency is VBA. In the rest, I am at best conversational.
>
>And just to reveal how out of the current loops I am, last night I re-read
>Albert Camus's "The Rebel", for about the fourth time. Tomorrow it's Tom
>Pynchon's "Gravity's Rainbow" for the fourth time. But before I leave
>Camus, a month or so ago I had a conversation with my friend Audra, and
>somehow the topic of Camus and "The Rebel" came up. And I vaguely quoted,
>and said "This book is about the relationship between the Master and the
>Slave, and it proves that The Slave is always in control, because at some
>point he will say, Rather than suffer this abuse, I prefer to die. And at
>that point, the Master has lost all his power. That spoke to my soul. That
>told me almost everything I needed to know. It didn't teach me how to make
>love to a woman and I still don't know that, but it did teach me how to
>behave in the public world. I will never forget that: the moment when the
>Slave says he would rather die than suffer the crap the Master shovels upon
>him, that is the definition of Progress.
>
>-- 
>Arthur
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From jeff.developer at gmail.com  Sat Dec 28 09:27:55 2013
From: jeff.developer at gmail.com (Jeff B)
Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2013 09:27:55 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Asp.net photo gallery - Facebook style
Message-ID: <006001cf03e1$6429f530$2c7ddf90$@gmail.com>

Sorry for the cross posting, but the VB list seems to be very, very quiet
right now.  Might be due to the Holidays, or it might just be that quiet
right now.  Anyway, does anyone here have any experience trying to create a
Facebook type photo gallery in vb.net?  I have found some samples, which are
close enough, but I need to be able to go to a specific shared folder on my
network.  I also have an issue in that some of the folder names contain
spaces and before you ask, renaming all the folders to remove the spaces
would be a long and involved process I don't want to have to do if I don't
have to - it would require a lot of rewriting of the access 'app' and the
web 'app'.

 

Any help is greatly appreciated, pointers in the right direction, code
snippets, etc.

 

 

Jeff Barrows

MCP, MCAD, MCSD

 

Racine, WI

 <mailto:jeff.developer at gmail.com> jeff.developer at gmail.com

 


From Gustav at cactus.dk  Sun Dec 29 03:50:48 2013
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2013 10:50:48 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Disk2vhd 2.0
Message-ID: <s2bffe99.036@cactus.dk>

Hi all

A new version 2.0 is out. Now supports vhdx disk images:

    http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/ee656415

You can even run the util live from that page to create a clone of a system on itself(!) using Shadow Copy if host is WinXP+.

/gustav


From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Sun Dec 29 04:14:34 2013
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2013 14:14:34 +0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?Disk2vhd_2=2E0?=
In-Reply-To: <s2bffe99.036@cactus.dk>
References: <s2bffe99.036@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <1388312074.226610054@f416.i.mail.ru>

 Hi Gustav --

Thank you for the news.

I'm using here the previous version to routinely make full backups of my main Win8 system and harddisks. It works well. But in the Windows Application log I'm getting the following error record in the end of back-up process:

<<<
Source: VSS
EventId: 8194 (it's always the same)

Volume Shadow Copy Service error: Unexpected error querying for the IVssWriterCallback interface. hr = 0x80070005, ???????? ? ?????? (Access denied).
This is often caused by incorrect security settings in either the writer or requestor process.
>>>

I will check with the new version in the coming days if it has this issue solved. (I'm running DIsk2VHD with Administrator access rights.)
Thank you.

-- Shamil


Sunday, December 29, 2013 10:50 AM +01:00 from "Gustav Brock" <Gustav at cactus.dk>:
>Hi all
>
>A new version 2.0 is out. Now supports vhdx disk images:
>
>???? http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/ee656415
>
>You can even run the util live from that page to create a clone of a system on itself(!) using Shadow Copy if host is WinXP+.
>
>/gustav
>
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From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Sun Dec 29 05:01:31 2013
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2013 15:01:31 +0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?Disk2vhd_2=2E0?=
In-Reply-To: <1388312074.226610054@f416.i.mail.ru>
References: <s2bffe99.036@cactus.dk>
 <1388312074.226610054@f416.i.mail.ru>
Message-ID: <1388314891.703317271@f311.i.mail.ru>

 Hi Gustav --

I have just used Disk2VHD 2.0 to make my main system backup - ~80GB - from SSD via USB 3.0 into backup HDD. It took about 30 minutes. The error I mentioned in my prev. posting still gets raised in the beginning and in the end of the backup process. ?Googling 

"Unexpected error querying for the IVssWriterCallback interface. hr = 0x80070005"

gives some hints. I will try to use them to fix the issue in the coming days.

Thank you.

-- Shamil


Sunday, December 29, 2013 2:14 PM +04:00 from Salakhetdinov Shamil <mcp2004 at mail.ru>:
>Hi Gustav --
>
>Thank you for the news.
>
>I'm using here the previous version to routinely make full backups of my main Win8 system and harddisks. It works well. But in the Windows Application log I'm getting the following error record in the end of back-up process:
>
><<<
>Source: VSS
>EventId: 8194 (it's always the same)
>
>Volume Shadow Copy Service error: Unexpected error querying for the IVssWriterCallback interface. hr = 0x80070005, ???????? ? ?????? (Access denied).
>This is often caused by incorrect security settings in either the writer or requestor process.
>>>>
>
>I will check with the new version in the coming days if it has this issue solved. (I'm running DIsk2VHD with Administrator access rights.)
>Thank you.
>
>-- Shamil
>
>
>Sunday, December 29, 2013 10:50 AM +01:00 from "Gustav Brock" < Gustav at cactus.dk >:
>>Hi all
>>
>>A new version 2.0 is out. Now supports vhdx disk images:
>>
>>????  http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/ee656415
>>
>>You can even run the util live from that page to create a clone of a system on itself(!) using Shadow Copy if host is WinXP+.
>>
>>/gustav
>>
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>
>
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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Sun Dec 29 05:25:47 2013
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2013 12:25:47 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Disk2vhd 2.0
Message-ID: <s2c014e4.037@cactus.dk>

Hi Shamil

OK. I haven't tried, neither do I plan for this use, so I cannot add much.
Looking forward to your findings.

/gustav

>>> mcp2004 at mail.ru 29-12-13 12:01 >>>
 Hi Gustav --

I have just used Disk2VHD 2.0 to make my main system backup - ~80GB - from SSD via USB 3.0 into backup HDD. It took about 30 minutes. The error I mentioned in my prev. posting still gets raised in the beginning and in the end of the backup process. *Googling 

"Unexpected error querying for the IVssWriterCallback interface. hr = 0x80070005"

gives some hints. I will try to use them to fix the issue in the coming days.

Thank you.

-- Shamil


Sunday, December 29, 2013 2:14 PM +04:00 from Salakhetdinov Shamil <mcp2004 at mail.ru>:
>Hi Gustav --
>
>Thank you for the news.
>
>I'm using here the previous version to routinely make full backups of my main Win8 system and harddisks. It works well. But in the Windows Application log I'm getting the following error record in the end of back-up process:
>
><<<
>Source: VSS
>EventId: 8194 (it's always the same)
>
>Volume Shadow Copy Service error: Unexpected error querying for the IVssWriterCallback interface. hr = 0x80070005, ???????? ? ?????? (Access denied).
>This is often caused by incorrect security settings in either the writer or requestor process.
>>>>
>
>I will check with the new version in the coming days if it has this issue solved. (I'm running DIsk2VHD with Administrator access rights.)
>Thank you.
>
>-- Shamil
>
>
>Sunday, December 29, 2013 10:50 AM +01:00 from "Gustav Brock" < Gustav at cactus.dk >:
>>Hi all
>>
>>A new version 2.0 is out. Now supports vhdx disk images:
>>
>>****  http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/ee656415
>>
>>You can even run the util live from that page to create a clone of a system on itself(!) using Shadow Copy if host is WinXP+.
>>
>>/gustav