[dba-Tech] "Depend on me, and I'll set you free!"

Gustav Brock gustav at cactus.dk
Tue Feb 5 05:50:50 CST 2013

Hi Stuart

Yes, never heard of this "award winning author" probably for a reason.
It sounds like he didn't understand data and relations and never intended to
do - which is why he was substituted back then.

Of course, he is right that the data is not the application, but whos says

It would be more interesting to learn what Shamil is doing with No SQL ...


PS: I do remember my first meeting with American beer back in the 80's. It
was a Miller Light. It was a .. eh, miss words, eh .. surprise. I believe it
has changed a lot since then.

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[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] På vegne af Stuart McLachlan
Sendt: 5. februar 2013 12:01
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Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] “Depend on me, and I’ll set you free!”

Rant is the word all right.

There are so many things wrong with his arguments that I don't know where to
begin. But a few immediate points:

He clearly can't tell the difference between "relational database" and
He thinks that a database engine which uses BTree indexing can't be
"relational"  (He obviously never worked with Dataflex)

His characterisation of all databases as "big, stogy, slow, expensive pain
in the rear." 
demonstrates a clear lack of  experience in using them.

How the h*ll can you develop and *test* the use cases and business rules
without the underlying data?

The data model IS the core of any real world bsiness system.

It's tragic that "an award winning author, renowned speaker, and über
software geek since 1970" has carried the same baggage around with him for
40 odd years.


P.S.  He was right about one thing though - American beer. Until recently it
was like sex in a canoe.

On 5 Feb 2013 at 13:52, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote:

>  Hi All --
> It's funny I've just planned to try to implement one experimental
> project using "No DB" (NoSQL) approach - and here I have got an
> interesting "rant article" arrived :) 
> http://blog.8thlight.com/uncle-bob/2012/05/15/NODB.html
> Thank you.
> -- Shamil  

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