Peter Brawley
peter.brawley at earthlink.net
Sat Feb 9 14:18:09 CST 2013
On 2013-02-09 12:15 PM, Hans-Christian Andersen wrote: > >> So far, Oracle has MariaDB developers running as fast as they can just to avoid falling further behind. > As far as I can tell, MariaDB provides more advanced features than stock open-source MySQL does, so I'm not sure what you mean by this? MariaDB is running weeks to months behind MySQL 5.5, and isn't even trying yet for compatibility with much of the new stuff in MySQL 5.6 (http://dev.mysql.com/doc/relnotes/mysql/5.6/en/). > > >>> I predict will be a long while before MySQL disappears from the landscape as MySQL has such an advantage being a very well known and established product. >> It's a web hosting staple, so it won't go away till there are fundamental changes in that technology. > To be honest, I think it is a lot simpler than this. Since most of these shared hosting services are based on Linux, I think the migration to MariaDB really comes down to whether their Linux distribution of choice includes MariaDB in their package manager and how long it takes for these hosting providers to keep up to date with the latest versions of their Linux distributions and software packages. If your business depends on websites that use MySQL, what business problem would you solve by migrating to MariaDB? In most cases, I think the answer is "none". For that situation to change, it seems to me, (i) Oracle will have to commit a major gaffe with the community edition of MySQL, and (ii) a majority of hosting providers will have to provide strictly comparable versions of MariaDb plus simple tools for seamless migration. I'm not betting against [i]. I just notice it hasn't happened yet. PB ----- > > For instance, I would not at all be surprised if many of them are running some cold version of CentOS 5.x from 2-3 years ago. > > To give you another example, my personal home server running Ubuntu Server 11.04 (which I have kept up-to-date) does not have MariaDB in its package sources. I could install the binaries myself, but then I would have to manage security patches myself and all those other headaches. This is the only reason holding me back. If an up-to-date 2 year old distribution of a more bleeding edge distro like Ubuntu doesn't even have MariaDB in its package manager, then its probably much worse for those other more "enterprisey" distributions of Linux who move at a more glacier pace and are used by companies that are more reluctant to upgrade to the latest and greatest version of "x" distro. > > > - Hans > > > On 2013-02-08, at 11:19 AM, Peter Brawley <peter.brawley at earthlink.net> wrote: > >> On 2013-02-08 1:00 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: >>> Hi Peter: >>> >>> I predict will be a long while before MySQL disappears from the landscape as >>> MySQL has such an advantage being a very well known and established product. >> It's a web hosting staple, so it won't go away till there are fundamental changes in that technology. >> >>> OTOH, MySQL's adoption, for the last few months has been completely flat. >> Yes. >> >>> Providers of the database have used MySQL as a stable and inexpensive >>> alternative to more pricey options. This is no longer the case. >> Did you mean customers? Yes. >> >>> As soon as the forks of MySQL like MariaDB start releasing sets of modern >>> and competing features and MySQL is offering the same but only at a >>> substantual price, the change will happen rapidly. >> So far, Oracle has MariaDB developers running as fast as they can just to avoid falling further behind. >> >> PB >> >>> Right now there is no >>> advantage for migrating to another MySQL fork other than to avoid potential, >>> Oracle based patent infingements. >>> >>> Jim >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Peter Brawley >>> Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2013 6:50 PM >>> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues >>> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Relational v NoSQL >>> >>> On 2013-02-07 8:30 PM, Hans-Christian Andersen wrote: >>>> It's hasn't quite yet, but spread the word. These things take time. :) >>> MariaDB hasn't supplanted MySQL. To do that, Monty would have to >>> persuade a few million hosting providers to install & support it. >>> >>> If Oracle continues squeezing the open source MySQL edition, though, it >>> may start to happen. >>> >>> PB >>> >>> ----- >>> >>>> - Hans >>>> >>>> >>>> On 2013-02-07, at 5:17 PM, "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi Stuart: >>>>> >>>>> I thought I recognized your voice. :-) >>>>> >>>>> I was not aware that MariaDB had supplanted MySQL but I am pleased to >>> hear >>>>> it. >>>>> >>>>> Jim >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >>>>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart >>> McLachlan >>>>> Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2013 2:05 PM >>>>> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues >>>>> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Relational v NoSQL >>>>> >>>>> You'repreaching to the choir here. :-) >>>>> >>>>> Are you aware of an WAMP/XAMP style packages with MariaDB in place of >>> MySQL? >>>>> -- >>>>> Stuart >>>>> >>>>> On 7 Feb 2013 at 8:24, Jim Lawrence wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi Stuart: >>>>>> >>>>>> The one thing that could stop any adoption of the new MySQL is Oracle. >>>>>> >>>>>> "...Since taking control of MySQL, Oracle has jacked up its support >>> prices >>>>>> and switched to an "open core" model, in which the basic version of the >>>>>> database is available for free, but extensions aimed at enterprise >>>>> customers >>>>>> are proprietary, closed source, and cost a pretty penny..." >>>>>> >>>>>> If the product development, under Oracle, runs true to form few Startup >>>>>> development companies, if any will be following changes in MySQL as they >>>>>> will be moving towards more reliable products or even forks like >>> MariaDB, >>>>>> for example. >>>>>> >>>>>> Many (Most) of the major players in the computer industry today, got >>> their >>>>>> start with database products like MySQL. If MySQL was not OSS with a GPL >>>>>> type license we might have not had FaceBook or Amazon or EBay, today. >>>>>> >>>>>> If Oracle follows true to form it will not be long before MySQL will no >>>>>> longer be used in the leading edge development market and MySQL will >>>>> follow >>>>>> the route of other over priced products like DBase, FoxPro, Clipper, >>>>>> DataFlex, Paradox, etc, into history. >>>>>> >>>>>> Jim >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >>>>>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart >>>>> McLachlan >>>>>> Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2013 3:37 AM >>>>>> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues >>>>>> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Relational v NoSQL >>>>>> >>>>>> NoSQL? Memcache? >>>>>> >>>>>> You could try the new mySQL: >>>>>> >>>>>> "In addition, MySQL 5.6 allows NoSQL-style access to InnoDB data via the >>>>>> Memcached API. >>>>>> This means developers can use any of the many existing Memcached clients >>>>> and >>>>>> libraries to >>>>>> bypass the overhead of query parsing, and grab data as simple key-value >>>>>> pairs, resulting in >>>>>> as much as a 9x performance improvement for SET/INSERT operations." >>>>>> >>>>>> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/02/06/oracle_mysql_56_vs_mariadb/ >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> dba-Tech mailing list >>>>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>>>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>>>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> dba-Tech mailing list >>>>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>>>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>>>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> dba-Tech mailing list >>>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> dba-Tech mailing list >>>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> dba-Tech mailing list >>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> dba-Tech mailing list >>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> dba-Tech mailing list >>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >