Salakhetdinov Shamil
mcp2004 at mail.ru
Mon Feb 18 04:53:19 CST 2013
Hi Hans -- <<< Why not Trident? Because it runs only on Windows and is harmful to the web, due to Microsofts desktop dominance. >>> Wasn't that Microsoft, which pushed DHMTL/Javascript in the middle of 90-es while "fighting" with Sun's Java applets technology? http://www.jr.pl/www.quirksmode.org/js/introdh.html Where Java-applets are now? How is Sun doing now? What company owns Java? How is Java evolving comparing to C#? (Hint: rather well but was it Java or C#, which first introduced lamda-expressions, LINQ, dynamic languages' features etc.?) <<< > What (tools/technologies) are currently holding back Anything which is not cross browser and cross platform. >>> But why cross-platform *unification* is so desirable there? I'm not questioning (communication/API) standards but I do not see how "cross platform technologies" could "save this world" without making it a "really boring flat unified plateau"? <<< I don't know if it is. But Googling "IE 10 Web Browser Automation" doesn't return a lot of results to indicate that this is an important feature for many people anyhow. >>> Did you try to use just "IE Web Browser Automation" without quotes and 'all these words' search option 'ON'? Googling (with advanced search - 'all these words' option): IE Web Browser Automation - 4,7 millions search results, web browser automation - 9.7 million search results, web browser control Automation - 2,7 million search results, web browser control API - 4 million search result web browser control DOM - 944,000 search results. As for the question "How many developers are there in the world?" - that seems to be about 12 million ( http://stackoverflow.com/questions/453880/how-many-developers-are-there-in-the-world ). ? Thank you. -- Shamil Понедельник, 18 февраля 2013, 1:04 -08:00 от Hans-Christian Andersen <hans.andersen at phulse.com>: >> Does cURL or any other "automation" tools are able to handle web pages, which mainly use AJAX not web forms POSTs? > >Yes > >> What (tools/technologies) are currently holding back > >Anything which is not cross browser and cross platform. > >> and is it good or bad to have WebKit "monoculture" > >I don't believe we should have a WebKit monoculture. I believe we should have a world free of IE's Trident engine. I'm completely fine with Mozilla Firefox continuing with their Gecko engine. Why not Trident? Because it runs only on Windows and is harmful to the web, due to Microsofts desktop dominance. > >> so the process of decoupling could take quite some time, but MS engineers could definitely do that... > >Otherwise known as trimming the fat. Everyone wins. > >> Yes, I see - that's done AFAIU to better conform to HTML5 standards. But IE Web Browser Automation is currently an integral part of IE components, not an extension. > >I don't know if it is. But Googling "IE 10 Web Browser Automation" doesn't return a lot of results to indicate that this is an important feature for many people anyhow. > >- Hans <<< skipped >>> >