From accessd at shaw.ca Wed Jan 2 13:12:05 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2013 11:12:05 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] For you Raspberry Pi hackers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2C0F3F1BA7DC4FD9B7BBDC8C36952A4F@creativesystemdesigns.com> For you Raspberry Pi hackers here are few basics (10) that will help. http://blog.makezine.com/2012/12/25/ten-raspberry-pi-tips/ Jim From fuller.artful at gmail.com Thu Jan 3 17:05:12 2013 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2013 18:05:12 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Franchising a TV Program Message-ID: Hi Bryan, I realize that I am about to sell the baby with the bathwater, but my only experience with the TV/film production industry is on the scriptwriting side, and I know Nothing about the ancillary sides. Suppose that I had an idea for how to franchise a CBC program for international sales (ala Jeopoardy, American Idol, etc. etc. etc.And further suppose that I had foreign connections through whom this might be done. How might I further this notion? I'm not after a big piece of the pie, although not averse to same, but I think that CBC has launched a few fantastic ideas and the particular market I would look to franchise these into is China. I realize you are far removed from that particular end of the business, but I'm looking for people to talk to, and existing examples of where this sort of models has worked. Can you supply any possible assistance, suggestions, etc.? I think that CBC has captured some really great programming ideas, and that these notions could possibly be ported to the China market (to mention only a couple), and I have an emotional interest in seeing this idea happen. Is there anything that you can suggest, or a couple of people within the Ceeb that I should speak with, or...? anything else that might help this notion become concrete? I don't want to spill all the beans quite yet, but I have some ideas. And being one of the most stalwart subscribers to all things CBC, I haven't even given a thought to doing it outside the org. Should my dreams prove fruitful, I would get a tiny slice for my efforts, but that is not my interest: my interest is in helping CBC become as famous as BBC, and to not only survive but become immune to tax-cuts. That is my real mission. I think I have a couple of ideas for internationalizing our (I say that as an addict, a taxpayer and a huge fan) product. I want IN to the international marketing of our product. I have no idea how to enter the job-pool to achieve this. Fuck it. I'll work for nothing to achieve this. Of course, a stipend would be appreciated, but that is not the point. I have some ideas. Perhaps they have already grown stale on the tree of potentially-international-ventures. Perhaps not. I want to enter this game. I have no idea how to enter this, but it's not that I want a job, it's that I want to make CBC as internationally vital as BBC. That's what I'm about. Any possible thing you can do to help me in my mission would be most gratefully accepted. I have a few particular ideas in mind, but those are not the point. What I am ultimately after is making CBC as important as BBC, at all intellectual levels. If I could help make that happen, I would work 100 hours a week for free, just to be a part of the experience of service to the community that is CBC. The only thing I might add is that I think we could be of even larger service (I'm thinking of the post-midnight radio programming that got killed), and that I would love that stuff to be revised. And while I'm lamenting the ax-ing of vital CBC programming, let me say that Rick McGinnis-Ray (sp?) and Dispatches is among the most lamented assassinations. I altered my schedule with dates and wives and business associates for decades to listen to Dispatches! And before closing this maudlin missive, I must nod to the greatest cbc radio contribution of all: As It Happens. For about two decades I have daily muted the TV in favour of AIH, and I feel nothing more intimate that this nightly input. I can recite all the hosts over the decades, and I feel that no single program has proved more invaluable to me personally. In a different way, CBC Ideas has done a similar service. Without these programs, my life would be seriously compromised. I think that I stand not alone in this. I also think that when push comes to shove, if you're going to sacrifice anything, kill CBC TV and let CBC Radio live, and not only live, but thrive, in a way not compromised by commercial interests, advertisers peddling this or that tampon or detergent or car, If I could wish for anything from CRTC, it would be the abolition of ads from CBC-TV. Make it as pure as CBC-Radio, whose only ads invite you to listen to forthcoming programs on CBC-Radio. As a person who's recently turned 65, I suppose that I am one of the force that is called Grey Power. I haven't yet signed up in a formal sense, but I do stand for a couple of basic principles: 1. To the extent that you measure all social activity in terms of dollars, you diminish not only society but also and more importantly yourself; by which I mean, you not only become a whore, but you brag about it, and even worse, you insist that everyone else define ourselves as whores. 2. Certain people whose bad circumstances have led society to call them Whores, are to be embraced and loved and welcomed back into the collection of us people whose weaknesses have caused mistakes. 3. Clause No. 2 does not apply to certain classes of whores: this list could grow too long for the average person's ability to concentrate, but let me name a few: a) they buy up 10 adjacent buildings, their sole purpose to off the residents and turn the block into a trendy boutique block; b) they lock down the block and tell every working girl therein that 39% goes to the Kung Lok Tong, else something bad happen to you and your family in Shanghai. c) The first several hits are free, girl. After that you pay $500 a day, which means you got to work, bitch! This is what is going on in downtown Toronto, Vancouver, Montreal, and even such burbs as Guelph. It has become my mission to expose this and perhaps even to stop this. I have looked into the toilet and seen human-trafficking on a huge scale in this -- our pretended civilized nation -- and I have seen that shit is going on that involves immigration officials at the top, and then extending down into the deeps, and I need to help stop this shit from occurring. I have no idea how you could help, and I don't mean to lean on you. All I mean to say is that I am deep-diving into this and if I never surface, then you might know where it happened. I'm 65 years old, which is to say, beyond threat. Further, I have no wife no kids etc. so no one could be kidnapped that would in any way compromise me. Which net net net is probably to say that should I disappear, I shall not be missed. I am prepared to take that chance. Before I became a programmer and author about programming, I was a journalist, and this sort of story was exactly my turf. I am about to dive into deep waters. In case I don't re-surface, it's been fun to be a member of this group. But now I have something to do and write about that is much more important than my latest Access bug. I may or may not make it out of this one. That's not meant for cheap drama, it's a simple fact. Doesn't matter. This shit has got to stop, and if not by me then perhaps the next one. I realize that this is way off topic. Sorry about that. If I make it back, I'll be sure to say Hello. Meanwhile, Bye for Now. If you have an -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. -- Niels Bohr From gustav at cactus.dk Fri Jan 4 11:41:21 2013 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2013 18:41:21 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Spam ceased? Message-ID: <006c01cdeaa2$b5a7d890$20f789b0$@cactus.dk> Hi all This is so strange. Until recently about 83% of all mail received here was spam. Suddenly the hammering spambots seems to have ceased sending spam leaving only the yahoo, gmail, and Hotmail types (lottery and so on) manually operated accounts. Our spamfilter can stay quiet for 15 minutes or more, a situation I can't recall to have seen in modern time. Anyone else seeing this? /gustav From garykjos at gmail.com Fri Jan 4 12:10:33 2013 From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2013 12:10:33 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Spam ceased? In-Reply-To: <006c01cdeaa2$b5a7d890$20f789b0$@cactus.dk> References: <006c01cdeaa2$b5a7d890$20f789b0$@cactus.dk> Message-ID: Plenty of spam still getting filtered here. GK On Fri, Jan 4, 2013 at 11:41 AM, Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi all > > This is so strange. Until recently about 83% of all mail received here was > spam. Suddenly the hammering spambots seems to have ceased sending spam > leaving only the yahoo, gmail, and Hotmail types (lottery and so on) > manually operated accounts. Our spamfilter can stay quiet for 15 minutes or > more, a situation I can't recall to have seen in modern time. > > Anyone else seeing this? > > /gustav > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com From john at winhaven.net Fri Jan 4 12:14:46 2013 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2013 12:14:46 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Spam ceased? In-Reply-To: <006c01cdeaa2$b5a7d890$20f789b0$@cactus.dk> References: <006c01cdeaa2$b5a7d890$20f789b0$@cactus.dk> Message-ID: <012d01cdeaa7$61102b20$23308160$@winhaven.net> It's been like a roller coaster here over the last few weeks. Way up and then way down. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Friday, January 04, 2013 11:41 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Spam ceased? Hi all This is so strange. Until recently about 83% of all mail received here was spam. Suddenly the hammering spambots seems to have ceased sending spam leaving only the yahoo, gmail, and Hotmail types (lottery and so on) manually operated accounts. Our spamfilter can stay quiet for 15 minutes or more, a situation I can't recall to have seen in modern time. Anyone else seeing this? /gustav _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From kathryn at bassett.net Fri Jan 4 16:52:23 2013 From: kathryn at bassett.net (Kathryn Bassett) Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2013 14:52:23 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Spam ceased? In-Reply-To: <006c01cdeaa2$b5a7d890$20f789b0$@cactus.dk> References: <006c01cdeaa2$b5a7d890$20f789b0$@cactus.dk> Message-ID: I use everyone.net as my mail host, so there is a spam folder there, as well as the one in Outlook once it's popped into that. Up until about 2 years ago, I would get 300-500 spams a day. Suddenly, in a short span of time (maybe a month), it started dropping dramatically to the point that for the last year or two, I get maybe a dozen a day. One or two slip by that Outlook catches. I'm not counting the junk that I get because of something I've bought, where they sell to third party, but I unsub from those. At first, I thought it was because everyone.net had improved their filters, but that didn't really make sense either. Bottom line, I've never figured out how or why the dramatic decrease, but who cares as long as that's the case. -- Kathryn Rhinehart Bassett (Pasadena CA) "Genealogy is my bag" "GH is my soap" kathryn at bassett.net http://bassett.net?? > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech- > bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock > Sent: 04 Jan 2013 9:41 AM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: [dba-Tech] Spam ceased? > > Hi all > > This is so strange. Until recently about 83% of all mail received here was spam. > Suddenly the hammering spambots seems to have ceased sending spam leaving > only the yahoo, gmail, and Hotmail types (lottery and so on) manually operated > accounts. Our spamfilter can stay quiet for 15 minutes or more, a situation I > can't recall to have seen in modern time. > > Anyone else seeing this? > > /gustav > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From hans.andersen at phulse.com Fri Jan 4 20:49:14 2013 From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen) Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2013 18:49:14 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Spam ceased? In-Reply-To: References: <006c01cdeaa2$b5a7d890$20f789b0$@cactus.dk> Message-ID: I haven't noticed any difference on my personal gmail account, because the spam filter is already amazing, but, now that you mention it, I haven't seen any spam lately on my corporate zimbra server. - Hans Sent from my iPhone On 2013-01-04, at 2:52 PM, "Kathryn Bassett" wrote: > I use everyone.net as my mail host, so there is a spam folder there, as well > as the one in Outlook once it's popped into that. Up until about 2 years > ago, I would get 300-500 spams a day. Suddenly, in a short span of time > (maybe a month), it started dropping dramatically to the point that for the > last year or two, I get maybe a dozen a day. One or two slip by that Outlook > catches. I'm not counting the junk that I get because of something I've > bought, where they sell to third party, but I unsub from those. At first, I > thought it was because everyone.net had improved their filters, but that > didn't really make sense either. Bottom line, I've never figured out how or > why the dramatic decrease, but who cares as long as that's the case. > > -- > Kathryn Rhinehart Bassett (Pasadena CA) > "Genealogy is my bag" "GH is my soap" > kathryn at bassett.net > http://bassett.net > > > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech- >> bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock >> Sent: 04 Jan 2013 9:41 AM >> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' >> Subject: [dba-Tech] Spam ceased? >> >> Hi all >> >> This is so strange. Until recently about 83% of all mail received here > was spam. >> Suddenly the hammering spambots seems to have ceased sending spam leaving >> only the yahoo, gmail, and Hotmail types (lottery and so on) manually > operated >> accounts. Our spamfilter can stay quiet for 15 minutes or more, a > situation I >> can't recall to have seen in modern time. >> >> Anyone else seeing this? >> >> /gustav >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From marklbreen at gmail.com Mon Jan 7 03:27:19 2013 From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2013 09:27:19 +0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Drop down list of usernames on facebook Message-ID: Hello List, A few weeks back, when using my main PC and when using Chrome, and when logging into facebook, I noticed a second username in addition to my facebook username. I could see my name and a second email address of a friend that I sometimes interact with over email. He is definitely not a hacker so I just ignored it and assumed that perhaps I had accidentally pasted into that box at some stage when I had his email address in my clipboard. I was surprised however, because I have little interaction with him. I watched it over the following days with some curiosity / concern i.e. "Why is Nialls email address in the login text box on my Chrome" Well, a few days ago that drop down list changed from two names to five names including my own. Two of the email addresses, I never heard of and cannot find when I search for them in my Gmail. *Summary:* When I click the login control on facebook, I see four names that should never be logging into facebook on my PC. One guy lives in Korea! Any thoughts ? Hope your 2013 is great, Mark From accessd at shaw.ca Wed Jan 9 20:08:59 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 18:08:59 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Linux vs Windows In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I have always been quite upset with the limits of Linux and here is a article from a tech of similar ilk. http://www.shamusyoung.com/twentysidedtale/?p=18309 Jim From john at winhaven.net Wed Jan 9 20:20:47 2013 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 20:20:47 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Linux vs Windows In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <004401cdeed9$1a135180$4e39f480$@winhaven.net> Wow. That was geek snobbery at its best. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2013 8:09 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Linux vs Windows I have always been quite upset with the limits of Linux and here is a article from a tech of similar ilk. http://www.shamusyoung.com/twentysidedtale/?p=18309 Jim _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From peter.brawley at earthlink.net Wed Jan 9 21:10:24 2013 From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley) Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2013 21:10:24 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Linux vs Windows In-Reply-To: <004401cdeed9$1a135180$4e39f480$@winhaven.net> References: <004401cdeed9$1a135180$4e39f480$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: <50EE3120.3020603@earthlink.net> On 2013-01-09 8:20 PM, John Bartow wrote: > Wow. That was geek snobbery at its best. Or just geek satire at its best. PB ------------ > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence > Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2013 8:09 PM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: [dba-Tech] Linux vs Windows > > I have always been quite upset with the limits of Linux and here is a > article from a tech of similar ilk. > > http://www.shamusyoung.com/twentysidedtale/?p=18309 > > Jim > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From john at winhaven.net Wed Jan 9 21:48:26 2013 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 21:48:26 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Linux vs Windows In-Reply-To: <50EE3120.3020603@earthlink.net> References: <004401cdeed9$1a135180$4e39f480$@winhaven.net> <50EE3120.3020603@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <006401cdeee5$58d79fa0$0a86dee0$@winhaven.net> In the eye of the beholder. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Peter Brawley Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2013 9:10 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Linux vs Windows On 2013-01-09 8:20 PM, John Bartow wrote: > Wow. That was geek snobbery at its best. Or just geek satire at its best. PB ------------ > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim > Lawrence > Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2013 8:09 PM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: [dba-Tech] Linux vs Windows > > I have always been quite upset with the limits of Linux and here is a > article from a tech of similar ilk. > > http://www.shamusyoung.com/twentysidedtale/?p=18309 > > Jim > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Wed Jan 9 23:21:57 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 21:21:57 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Linux vs Windows In-Reply-To: <004401cdeed9$1a135180$4e39f480$@winhaven.net> References: <004401cdeed9$1a135180$4e39f480$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: <884FE1FDFBEF4BB7950D966B409E4B19@creativesystemdesigns.com> Oh yes a very fine brew. ;-) Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2013 6:21 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Linux vs Windows Wow. That was geek snobbery at its best. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2013 8:09 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Linux vs Windows I have always been quite upset with the limits of Linux and here is a article from a tech of similar ilk. http://www.shamusyoung.com/twentysidedtale/?p=18309 Jim _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Wed Jan 9 23:53:15 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 21:53:15 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Linux vs Windows In-Reply-To: <006401cdeee5$58d79fa0$0a86dee0$@winhaven.net> References: <004401cdeed9$1a135180$4e39f480$@winhaven.net><50EE3120.3020603@earthlink.net> <006401cdeee5$58d79fa0$0a86dee0$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: <47317FBFE64C43CCBDE61EAFA9EB629C@creativesystemdesigns.com> Twelve Linux boxes, with full office, web, printer, home drives, a couple of Windows apps so installed Wine, latest updates, couple at a time (only had two boot DVDs), all tested ready to go in about four hours...without pushing from the server but did have to replace the local SMB files which take command line effort of one copied text file. (With the new SMB 4.x installed everything is automatic even full Windows server Active-Directory compatibility...but have not tested it...yet.) Would it be possible with a dozen full Windows installs? Only went back to the client's site to wait to see if any one had questions or issues and they have had virtually no issues. The young office manager, had never seen Linux up close but just picked it up on the fly and she knows more than I do now. Aside: I will be doing one upgrade in the next couple weeks by adding RDP to all Linux stations...no issues as they all run like servers. Check out XRDP which will allow any Windows stations/servers to remote in just like all Linux or Windows stations can remote in to all Window servers. It is a lot of fun to mix and match OSs and may save the client a few capital costs. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2013 7:48 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Linux vs Windows In the eye of the beholder. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Peter Brawley Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2013 9:10 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Linux vs Windows On 2013-01-09 8:20 PM, John Bartow wrote: > Wow. That was geek snobbery at its best. Or just geek satire at its best. PB ------------ > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim > Lawrence > Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2013 8:09 PM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: [dba-Tech] Linux vs Windows > > I have always been quite upset with the limits of Linux and here is a > article from a tech of similar ilk. > > http://www.shamusyoung.com/twentysidedtale/?p=18309 > > Jim > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From hans.andersen at phulse.com Thu Jan 10 02:12:15 2013 From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 00:12:15 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Linux vs Windows In-Reply-To: <47317FBFE64C43CCBDE61EAFA9EB629C@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <004401cdeed9$1a135180$4e39f480$@winhaven.net> <50EE3120.3020603@earthlink.net> <006401cdeee5$58d79fa0$0a86dee0$@winhaven.net> <47317FBFE64C43CCBDE61EAFA9EB629C@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <854E4200-CE15-4346-9CD8-71BDC4569775@phulse.com> > may save the client a few capital costs. That's quite the understatement! Best regards, Hans-Christian Andersen On 9 Jan 2013, at 21:53, "Jim Lawrence" wrote: > Twelve Linux boxes, with full office, web, printer, home drives, a couple of > Windows apps so installed Wine, latest updates, couple at a time (only had > two boot DVDs), all tested ready to go in about four hours...without pushing > from the server but did have to replace the local SMB files which take > command line effort of one copied text file. (With the new SMB 4.x installed > everything is automatic even full Windows server Active-Directory > compatibility...but have not tested it...yet.) > > Would it be possible with a dozen full Windows installs? > > Only went back to the client's site to wait to see if any one had questions > or issues and they have had virtually no issues. The young office manager, > had never seen Linux up close but just picked it up on the fly and she knows > more than I do now. > > Aside: I will be doing one upgrade in the next couple weeks by adding RDP to > all Linux stations...no issues as they all run like servers. Check out XRDP > which will allow any Windows stations/servers to remote in just like all > Linux or Windows stations can remote in to all Window servers. > > It is a lot of fun to mix and match OSs and may save the client a few > capital costs. > > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow > Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2013 7:48 PM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Linux vs Windows > > In the eye of the beholder. > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Peter Brawley > Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2013 9:10 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Linux vs Windows > > On 2013-01-09 8:20 PM, John Bartow wrote: >> Wow. That was geek snobbery at its best. > > Or just geek satire at its best. > > PB > > ------------ >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim >> Lawrence >> Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2013 8:09 PM >> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' >> Subject: [dba-Tech] Linux vs Windows >> >> I have always been quite upset with the limits of Linux and here is a >> article from a tech of similar ilk. >> >> http://www.shamusyoung.com/twentysidedtale/?p=18309 >> >> Jim >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From tinanfields at torchlake.com Thu Jan 10 08:38:48 2013 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 09:38:48 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Linux vs Windows In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <50EED278.5060208@torchlake.com> Too, too, funny! Wow, if only Linux could learn to reboot a few more times and really get with it! T Tina Norris Fields tinanfields at torchlake.com 231-322-2787 On 1/9/2013 9:08 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > I have always been quite upset with the limits of Linux and here is a > article from a tech of similar ilk. > > http://www.shamusyoung.com/twentysidedtale/?p=18309 > > Jim > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From peter.brawley at earthlink.net Thu Jan 10 08:41:50 2013 From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 08:41:50 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Linux vs Windows In-Reply-To: <006401cdeee5$58d79fa0$0a86dee0$@winhaven.net> References: <004401cdeed9$1a135180$4e39f480$@winhaven.net> <50EE3120.3020603@earthlink.net> <006401cdeee5$58d79fa0$0a86dee0$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: <50EED32E.5010006@earthlink.net> On 2013-01-09 9:48 PM, John Bartow wrote: > In the eye of the beholder. Hmm, yer grade 9 English teacher and most other beholders will confirm it's effective satire of M$ bloatware, don't you think? On whether it's snobbish, yeah, that could be more about beholders. PB > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Peter Brawley > Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2013 9:10 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Linux vs Windows > > On 2013-01-09 8:20 PM, John Bartow wrote: >> Wow. That was geek snobbery at its best. > Or just geek satire at its best. > > PB > > ------------ >> -----Original Message----- >> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim >> Lawrence >> Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2013 8:09 PM >> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' >> Subject: [dba-Tech] Linux vs Windows >> >> I have always been quite upset with the limits of Linux and here is a >> article from a tech of similar ilk. >> >> http://www.shamusyoung.com/twentysidedtale/?p=18309 >> >> Jim >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From df.waters at comcast.net Thu Jan 10 08:59:29 2013 From: df.waters at comcast.net (Dan Waters) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 08:59:29 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Apps for Linux? (was: Linux vs Windows) Message-ID: <001e01cdef43$17c20150$474603f0$@comcast.net> OK - There are advantages as an OS. But what apps can you run? Is there the equivalent of a VB.net/C#/SQL Server app? How about an Access app? What other business apps are available? Thanks! Dan -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Peter Brawley Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 8:42 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Linux vs Windows On 2013-01-09 9:48 PM, John Bartow wrote: > In the eye of the beholder. Hmm, yer grade 9 English teacher and most other beholders will confirm it's effective satire of M$ bloatware, don't you think? On whether it's snobbish, yeah, that could be more about beholders. PB > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Peter > Brawley > Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2013 9:10 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Linux vs Windows > > On 2013-01-09 8:20 PM, John Bartow wrote: >> Wow. That was geek snobbery at its best. > Or just geek satire at its best. > > PB > > ------------ >> -----Original Message----- >> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim >> Lawrence >> Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2013 8:09 PM >> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' >> Subject: [dba-Tech] Linux vs Windows >> >> I have always been quite upset with the limits of Linux and here is a >> article from a tech of similar ilk. >> >> http://www.shamusyoung.com/twentysidedtale/?p=18309 >> >> Jim >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From john at winhaven.net Thu Jan 10 09:01:24 2013 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 09:01:24 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Linux vs Windows In-Reply-To: <50EED32E.5010006@earthlink.net> References: <004401cdeed9$1a135180$4e39f480$@winhaven.net> <50EE3120.3020603@earthlink.net> <006401cdeee5$58d79fa0$0a86dee0$@winhaven.net> <50EED32E.5010006@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <00e401cdef43$5c0aee80$1420cb80$@winhaven.net> Lol, I thought it was probably written by someone who used to be a Mac head. They usually come with the same snobbery when dissing MS . -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Peter Brawley Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 8:42 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Linux vs Windows On 2013-01-09 9:48 PM, John Bartow wrote: > In the eye of the beholder. Hmm, yer grade 9 English teacher and most other beholders will confirm it's effective satire of M$ bloatware, don't you think? On whether it's snobbish, yeah, that could be more about beholders. PB > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Peter > Brawley > Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2013 9:10 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Linux vs Windows > > On 2013-01-09 8:20 PM, John Bartow wrote: >> Wow. That was geek snobbery at its best. > Or just geek satire at its best. > > PB > > ------------ >> -----Original Message----- >> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim >> Lawrence >> Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2013 8:09 PM >> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' >> Subject: [dba-Tech] Linux vs Windows >> >> I have always been quite upset with the limits of Linux and here is a >> article from a tech of similar ilk. >> >> http://www.shamusyoung.com/twentysidedtale/?p=18309 >> >> Jim >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From john at winhaven.net Thu Jan 10 09:01:24 2013 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 09:01:24 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Linux vs Windows In-Reply-To: <47317FBFE64C43CCBDE61EAFA9EB629C@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <004401cdeed9$1a135180$4e39f480$@winhaven.net><50EE3120.3020603@earthlink.net> <006401cdeee5$58d79fa0$0a86dee0$@winhaven.net> <47317FBFE64C43CCBDE61EAFA9EB629C@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <00e501cdef43$5c2eca30$148c5e90$@winhaven.net> Jim, I meant that satire is in the eye of the beholder :-) No doubt that your client will save money, they have a good consultant working for them. To follow up on the rebooting issue - I had to repair a Windows Starter Edition (that's the free, crippled version of Word and Excel that some OEMs include) install last night. It took three reboots to do just that! -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2013 11:53 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Linux vs Windows Twelve Linux boxes, with full office, web, printer, home drives, a couple of Windows apps so installed Wine, latest updates, couple at a time (only had two boot DVDs), all tested ready to go in about four hours...without pushing from the server but did have to replace the local SMB files which take command line effort of one copied text file. (With the new SMB 4.x installed everything is automatic even full Windows server Active-Directory compatibility...but have not tested it...yet.) Would it be possible with a dozen full Windows installs? Only went back to the client's site to wait to see if any one had questions or issues and they have had virtually no issues. The young office manager, had never seen Linux up close but just picked it up on the fly and she knows more than I do now. Aside: I will be doing one upgrade in the next couple weeks by adding RDP to all Linux stations...no issues as they all run like servers. Check out XRDP which will allow any Windows stations/servers to remote in just like all Linux or Windows stations can remote in to all Window servers. It is a lot of fun to mix and match OSs and may save the client a few capital costs. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2013 7:48 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Linux vs Windows In the eye of the beholder. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Peter Brawley Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2013 9:10 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Linux vs Windows On 2013-01-09 8:20 PM, John Bartow wrote: > Wow. That was geek snobbery at its best. Or just geek satire at its best. PB ------------ > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim > Lawrence > Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2013 8:09 PM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: [dba-Tech] Linux vs Windows > > I have always been quite upset with the limits of Linux and here is a > article from a tech of similar ilk. > > http://www.shamusyoung.com/twentysidedtale/?p=18309 > > Jim > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From gustav at cactus.dk Thu Jan 10 09:40:23 2013 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 16:40:23 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Apps for Linux? (was: Linux vs Windows) Message-ID: <00d501cdef48$ce33afb0$6a9b0f10$@cactus.dk> Hi Dan Tetris I assume. /gustav -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Dan Waters Sendt: 10. januar 2013 15:59 Til: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Apps for Linux? (was: Linux vs Windows) OK - There are advantages as an OS. But what apps can you run? Is there the equivalent of a VB.net/C#/SQL Server app? How about an Access app? What other business apps are available? Thanks! Dan From df.waters at comcast.net Thu Jan 10 09:44:40 2013 From: df.waters at comcast.net (Dan Waters) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 09:44:40 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Apps for Linux? (was: Linux vs Windows) In-Reply-To: <00d501cdef48$ce33afb0$6a9b0f10$@cactus.dk> References: <00d501cdef48$ce33afb0$6a9b0f10$@cactus.dk> Message-ID: <000301cdef49$672fa840$358ef8c0$@comcast.net> :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) That's me - laughing - lying on the floor! Dan -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 9:40 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Apps for Linux? (was: Linux vs Windows) Hi Dan Tetris I assume. /gustav -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Dan Waters Sendt: 10. januar 2013 15:59 Til: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Apps for Linux? (was: Linux vs Windows) OK - There are advantages as an OS. But what apps can you run? Is there the equivalent of a VB.net/C#/SQL Server app? How about an Access app? What other business apps are available? Thanks! Dan _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From john at winhaven.net Thu Jan 10 09:58:00 2013 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 09:58:00 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Apps for Linux? (was: Linux vs Windows) In-Reply-To: <001e01cdef43$17c20150$474603f0$@comcast.net> References: <001e01cdef43$17c20150$474603f0$@comcast.net> Message-ID: <011e01cdef4b$43f4ba30$cbde2e90$@winhaven.net> Dan, Unfortunately too many people make it a one versus the other. I guess it's the "yu-ra-ra, mine is the best, and yours is bad because of it" fan-boy syndrome. Of course anyone who is one of these fan-boys will rail on me for stating the obvious, objective view of the situation ;-) I work in shops that have many OS's because they all perform certain tasks very well. I have a customer that is still running Windows NT4 and has been for 15 years, on the same machine. That was an effective, economic purchase. System 36 and AS400s were a cost effective solution in their' day, as were any other OSs. Linux is just another tool to use in our trade. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 8:59 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Apps for Linux? (was: Linux vs Windows) OK - There are advantages as an OS. But what apps can you run? Is there the equivalent of a VB.net/C#/SQL Server app? How about an Access app? What other business apps are available? Thanks! Dan -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Peter Brawley Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 8:42 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Linux vs Windows On 2013-01-09 9:48 PM, John Bartow wrote: > In the eye of the beholder. Hmm, yer grade 9 English teacher and most other beholders will confirm it's effective satire of M$ bloatware, don't you think? On whether it's snobbish, yeah, that could be more about beholders. PB > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Peter > Brawley > Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2013 9:10 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Linux vs Windows > > On 2013-01-09 8:20 PM, John Bartow wrote: >> Wow. That was geek snobbery at its best. > Or just geek satire at its best. > > PB > > ------------ >> -----Original Message----- >> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim >> Lawrence >> Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2013 8:09 PM >> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' >> Subject: [dba-Tech] Linux vs Windows >> >> I have always been quite upset with the limits of Linux and here is a >> article from a tech of similar ilk. >> >> http://www.shamusyoung.com/twentysidedtale/?p=18309 >> >> Jim >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Thu Jan 10 09:59:48 2013 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 10:59:48 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Apps for Linux? (was: Linux vs Windows) In-Reply-To: <000301cdef49$672fa840$358ef8c0$@comcast.net> References: <00d501cdef48$ce33afb0$6a9b0f10$@cactus.dk> <000301cdef49$672fa840$358ef8c0$@comcast.net> Message-ID: Apps for Linux... Open Office or OfficeLibre give you everything Office does except Access. There is Open Office Base but it's nowhere near as powerful as is Access. In terms of #.Net, there is the Mono project and its C# compiler. In terms of SQL Server, you have MySQL Oracle Express, PostGres and a few NoSQL entries. As regards a front end for MySQL or other databases, the most common approach is PHP + Apache, but Ruby on Rails is also very popular; so is Python. See also our (Peter's and my) TheUsual.php (available from our web site (artfulsoftware.com). For typical db admin stuff, there are SQLBench and phpAdmin. And not to forget Tcl/Tk for designing GUIs. Perl is pretty much history. Arthur From peter.brawley at earthlink.net Thu Jan 10 10:01:56 2013 From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 10:01:56 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Apps for Linux? (was: Linux vs Windows) In-Reply-To: <00d501cdef48$ce33afb0$6a9b0f10$@cactus.dk> References: <00d501cdef48$ce33afb0$6a9b0f10$@cactus.dk> Message-ID: <50EEE5F4.70204@earthlink.net> On 2013-01-10 9:40 AM, Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi Dan > > Tetris I assume. lol now /there's/ snobbery pb > > /gustav > > -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- > Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Dan Waters > Sendt: 10. januar 2013 15:59 > Til: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Apps for Linux? (was: Linux vs Windows) > > OK - There are advantages as an OS. > > But what apps can you run? Is there the equivalent of a VB.net/C#/SQL > Server app? How about an Access app? > > What other business apps are available? > > Thanks! > Dan > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From df.waters at comcast.net Thu Jan 10 11:30:26 2013 From: df.waters at comcast.net (Dan Waters) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 11:30:26 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Apps for Linux? (was: Linux vs Windows) In-Reply-To: References: <00d501cdef48$ce33afb0$6a9b0f10$@cactus.dk> <000301cdef49$672fa840$358ef8c0$@comcast.net> Message-ID: <000d01cdef58$2e2a7f70$8a7f7e50$@comcast.net> Hi Art, All of that sounds like web apps - which I have decided not to do. Is there anything equivalent to a .Net Winform app? Thanks! Dan -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 10:00 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Apps for Linux? (was: Linux vs Windows) Apps for Linux... Open Office or OfficeLibre give you everything Office does except Access. There is Open Office Base but it's nowhere near as powerful as is Access. In terms of #.Net, there is the Mono project and its C# compiler. In terms of SQL Server, you have MySQL Oracle Express, PostGres and a few NoSQL entries. As regards a front end for MySQL or other databases, the most common approach is PHP + Apache, but Ruby on Rails is also very popular; so is Python. See also our (Peter's and my) TheUsual.php (available from our web site (artfulsoftware.com). For typical db admin stuff, there are SQLBench and phpAdmin. And not to forget Tcl/Tk for designing GUIs. Perl is pretty much history. Arthur _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From hans.andersen at phulse.com Thu Jan 10 11:56:01 2013 From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 09:56:01 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Apps for Linux? (was: Linux vs Windows) In-Reply-To: <001e01cdef43$17c20150$474603f0$@comcast.net> References: <001e01cdef43$17c20150$474603f0$@comcast.net> Message-ID: <3ADEE97E-B41A-4D5A-B936-5CEAC3FF723F@phulse.com> > Is there the equivalent of a VB.net/C#/SQL Server app? There are far too many. Here is just a small subset: Real Basic, Python, Qt, Mono C#, Java, Scala, Groovy, PostgreSQL, MySQL, MariaDB, Oracle DB, Hbase. The list goes on... > How about an Access app? Weren't we talking about modern operating systems? :) I jest, but there is Kexi and Open Office and you can also just run MS Access under the Windows emulator WINE (works perfectly fine and fast). > What other business apps are available? Can't answer this, as my field of expertise is in web app development, so I wouldn't know. - Hans On 2013-01-10, at 6:59 AM, "Dan Waters" wrote: > OK - There are advantages as an OS. > > But what apps can you run? Is there the equivalent of a VB.net/C#/SQL > Server app? How about an Access app? > > What other business apps are available? > > Thanks! > Dan > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Peter Brawley > Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 8:42 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Linux vs Windows > > On 2013-01-09 9:48 PM, John Bartow wrote: >> In the eye of the beholder. > > Hmm, yer grade 9 English teacher and most other beholders will confirm it's > effective satire of M$ bloatware, don't you think? On whether it's snobbish, > yeah, that could be more about beholders. > > PB > >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Peter >> Brawley >> Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2013 9:10 PM >> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues >> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Linux vs Windows >> >> On 2013-01-09 8:20 PM, John Bartow wrote: >>> Wow. That was geek snobbery at its best. >> Or just geek satire at its best. >> >> PB >> >> ------------ >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim >>> Lawrence >>> Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2013 8:09 PM >>> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' >>> Subject: [dba-Tech] Linux vs Windows >>> >>> I have always been quite upset with the limits of Linux and here is a >>> article from a tech of similar ilk. >>> >>> http://www.shamusyoung.com/twentysidedtale/?p=18309 >>> >>> Jim >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> dba-Tech mailing list >>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> dba-Tech mailing list >>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From hans.andersen at phulse.com Thu Jan 10 11:58:24 2013 From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 09:58:24 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Apps for Linux? (was: Linux vs Windows) In-Reply-To: <50EEE5F4.70204@earthlink.net> References: <00d501cdef48$ce33afb0$6a9b0f10$@cactus.dk> <50EEE5F4.70204@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Well, it's not like the nr 1 most frequently used Windows application isn't solitaire! :) - Hans On 2013-01-10, at 8:01 AM, Peter Brawley wrote: > On 2013-01-10 9:40 AM, Gustav Brock wrote: >> Hi Dan >> >> Tetris I assume. > > lol now /there's/ snobbery > > pb > >> >> /gustav >> >> -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- >> Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Dan Waters >> Sendt: 10. januar 2013 15:59 >> Til: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' >> Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Apps for Linux? (was: Linux vs Windows) >> >> OK - There are advantages as an OS. >> >> But what apps can you run? Is there the equivalent of a VB.net/C#/SQL >> Server app? How about an Access app? >> >> What other business apps are available? >> >> Thanks! >> Dan >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From hans.andersen at phulse.com Thu Jan 10 12:00:38 2013 From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 10:00:38 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Apps for Linux? (was: Linux vs Windows) In-Reply-To: <000d01cdef58$2e2a7f70$8a7f7e50$@comcast.net> References: <00d501cdef48$ce33afb0$6a9b0f10$@cactus.dk> <000301cdef49$672fa840$358ef8c0$@comcast.net> <000d01cdef58$2e2a7f70$8a7f7e50$@comcast.net> Message-ID: <095F4A94-9016-4E20-B751-8C1D64BFF211@phulse.com> I know of a few, but I wouldn't be able to recommend one, since I live in the web app world, but I've heard great things about Qt Creator (http://qt.digia.com/Product/Developer-Tools/). - Hans On 2013-01-10, at 9:30 AM, "Dan Waters" wrote: > Hi Art, > > All of that sounds like web apps - which I have decided not to do. > > Is there anything equivalent to a .Net Winform app? > > Thanks! > Dan > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller > Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 10:00 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Apps for Linux? (was: Linux vs Windows) > > Apps for Linux... > > Open Office or OfficeLibre give you everything Office does except Access. > There is Open Office Base but it's nowhere near as powerful as is Access. > In terms of #.Net, there is the Mono project and its C# compiler. In terms > of SQL Server, you have MySQL Oracle Express, PostGres and a few NoSQL > entries. As regards a front end for MySQL or other databases, the most > common approach is PHP + Apache, but Ruby on Rails is also very popular; so > is Python. See also our (Peter's and my) TheUsual.php (available from our > web site (artfulsoftware.com). For typical db admin stuff, there are > SQLBench and phpAdmin. And not to forget Tcl/Tk for designing GUIs. Perl is > pretty much history. > > Arthur > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Thu Jan 10 12:19:34 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 10:19:34 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Apps for Linux? (was: Linux vs Windows) In-Reply-To: <001e01cdef43$17c20150$474603f0$@comcast.net> References: <001e01cdef43$17c20150$474603f0$@comcast.net> Message-ID: Yes to all the below requirements. 1. MS Access runs just fine under Wine. http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&iId=12 Here is something else that is out there; never tested it myself as there is so many choices: http://www.kexi-project.org/ 2. All the programming languages must ultimately run on servers and by far the most servers are Linux. Also just about all databases are Linux. As for a MSVS for Linux, incidentally built with the help of Microsoft, among other major companies, here is a C# studio with all the bells and whistles: http://www.mono-project.com/Main_Page 3. There is a full office suite called Libra Office. http://www.libreoffice.org/download 4. Note; that the entire Cloud is built on Linux...not sure about Azure but would suspect Microsoft is using Linux as its core. The entire web is built on top of Linux. At least 80 to 90 percent of all Webserver are Linux. Virtually all super computers are a version of Linux (and Unix). Every year Linux just gets that much easier to use for us GUI users. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 6:59 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Apps for Linux? (was: Linux vs Windows) OK - There are advantages as an OS. But what apps can you run? Is there the equivalent of a VB.net/C#/SQL Server app? How about an Access app? What other business apps are available? Thanks! Dan -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Peter Brawley Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 8:42 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Linux vs Windows On 2013-01-09 9:48 PM, John Bartow wrote: > In the eye of the beholder. Hmm, yer grade 9 English teacher and most other beholders will confirm it's effective satire of M$ bloatware, don't you think? On whether it's snobbish, yeah, that could be more about beholders. PB > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Peter > Brawley > Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2013 9:10 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Linux vs Windows > > On 2013-01-09 8:20 PM, John Bartow wrote: >> Wow. That was geek snobbery at its best. > Or just geek satire at its best. > > PB > > ------------ >> -----Original Message----- >> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim >> Lawrence >> Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2013 8:09 PM >> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' >> Subject: [dba-Tech] Linux vs Windows >> >> I have always been quite upset with the limits of Linux and here is a >> article from a tech of similar ilk. >> >> http://www.shamusyoung.com/twentysidedtale/?p=18309 >> >> Jim >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Thu Jan 10 12:46:05 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 10:46:05 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Linux vs Windows In-Reply-To: <00e501cdef43$5c2eca30$148c5e90$@winhaven.net> References: <004401cdeed9$1a135180$4e39f480$@winhaven.net><50EE3120.3020603@earthlink.net> <006401cdeee5$58d79fa0$0a86dee0$@winhaven.net><47317FBFE64C43CCBDE61EAFA9EB629C@creativesystemdesigns.com> <00e501cdef43$5c2eca30$148c5e90$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: There is another thing that you can do with a Ubuntu Linux desktop. Run it up on one computer. When you are satisfied that you have all the products you want installed pull the boot harddrive and install it in another computer, in some other office. It will immediately search for the web and start downloading drivers, finding local computers and printers (the SMB will need tweaking if installed on a different network but nothing major). Try that with a Windows install, if it works(?) a few calls to MS will be required. ;-) The latest version of Linux 3,x runs on all CPUs, 32/64/ARM (auto-detect) but it will probably be a year before it is incorporated in all Linux distros. The downside is that you will loss support for your 385SX. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 7:01 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Linux vs Windows Jim, I meant that satire is in the eye of the beholder :-) No doubt that your client will save money, they have a good consultant working for them. To follow up on the rebooting issue - I had to repair a Windows Starter Edition (that's the free, crippled version of Word and Excel that some OEMs include) install last night. It took three reboots to do just that! -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2013 11:53 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Linux vs Windows Twelve Linux boxes, with full office, web, printer, home drives, a couple of Windows apps so installed Wine, latest updates, couple at a time (only had two boot DVDs), all tested ready to go in about four hours...without pushing from the server but did have to replace the local SMB files which take command line effort of one copied text file. (With the new SMB 4.x installed everything is automatic even full Windows server Active-Directory compatibility...but have not tested it...yet.) Would it be possible with a dozen full Windows installs? Only went back to the client's site to wait to see if any one had questions or issues and they have had virtually no issues. The young office manager, had never seen Linux up close but just picked it up on the fly and she knows more than I do now. Aside: I will be doing one upgrade in the next couple weeks by adding RDP to all Linux stations...no issues as they all run like servers. Check out XRDP which will allow any Windows stations/servers to remote in just like all Linux or Windows stations can remote in to all Window servers. It is a lot of fun to mix and match OSs and may save the client a few capital costs. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2013 7:48 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Linux vs Windows In the eye of the beholder. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Peter Brawley Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2013 9:10 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Linux vs Windows On 2013-01-09 8:20 PM, John Bartow wrote: > Wow. That was geek snobbery at its best. Or just geek satire at its best. PB ------------ > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim > Lawrence > Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2013 8:09 PM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: [dba-Tech] Linux vs Windows > > I have always been quite upset with the limits of Linux and here is a > article from a tech of similar ilk. > > http://www.shamusyoung.com/twentysidedtale/?p=18309 > > Jim > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Thu Jan 10 12:50:45 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 10:50:45 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Apps for Linux? (was: Linux vs Windows) In-Reply-To: <011e01cdef4b$43f4ba30$cbde2e90$@winhaven.net> References: <001e01cdef43$17c20150$474603f0$@comcast.net> <011e01cdef4b$43f4ba30$cbde2e90$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: Your so right, no fanboz need apply in this business as an open-mind is all that is required. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 7:58 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Apps for Linux? (was: Linux vs Windows) Dan, Unfortunately too many people make it a one versus the other. I guess it's the "yu-ra-ra, mine is the best, and yours is bad because of it" fan-boy syndrome. Of course anyone who is one of these fan-boys will rail on me for stating the obvious, objective view of the situation ;-) I work in shops that have many OS's because they all perform certain tasks very well. I have a customer that is still running Windows NT4 and has been for 15 years, on the same machine. That was an effective, economic purchase. System 36 and AS400s were a cost effective solution in their' day, as were any other OSs. Linux is just another tool to use in our trade. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 8:59 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Apps for Linux? (was: Linux vs Windows) OK - There are advantages as an OS. But what apps can you run? Is there the equivalent of a VB.net/C#/SQL Server app? How about an Access app? What other business apps are available? Thanks! Dan -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Peter Brawley Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 8:42 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Linux vs Windows On 2013-01-09 9:48 PM, John Bartow wrote: > In the eye of the beholder. Hmm, yer grade 9 English teacher and most other beholders will confirm it's effective satire of M$ bloatware, don't you think? On whether it's snobbish, yeah, that could be more about beholders. PB > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Peter > Brawley > Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2013 9:10 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Linux vs Windows > > On 2013-01-09 8:20 PM, John Bartow wrote: >> Wow. That was geek snobbery at its best. > Or just geek satire at its best. > > PB > > ------------ >> -----Original Message----- >> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim >> Lawrence >> Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2013 8:09 PM >> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' >> Subject: [dba-Tech] Linux vs Windows >> >> I have always been quite upset with the limits of Linux and here is a >> article from a tech of similar ilk. >> >> http://www.shamusyoung.com/twentysidedtale/?p=18309 >> >> Jim >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Thu Jan 10 12:51:45 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 10:51:45 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Apps for Linux? (was: Linux vs Windows) In-Reply-To: References: <00d501cdef48$ce33afb0$6a9b0f10$@cactus.dk><000301cdef49$672fa840$358ef8c0$@comcast.net> Message-ID: <8ADC1FE58D39412DA796D48A6947FA0F@creativesystemdesigns.com> Good summary Arthur. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 8:00 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Apps for Linux? (was: Linux vs Windows) Apps for Linux... Open Office or OfficeLibre give you everything Office does except Access. There is Open Office Base but it's nowhere near as powerful as is Access. In terms of #.Net, there is the Mono project and its C# compiler. In terms of SQL Server, you have MySQL Oracle Express, PostGres and a few NoSQL entries. As regards a front end for MySQL or other databases, the most common approach is PHP + Apache, but Ruby on Rails is also very popular; so is Python. See also our (Peter's and my) TheUsual.php (available from our web site (artfulsoftware.com). For typical db admin stuff, there are SQLBench and phpAdmin. And not to forget Tcl/Tk for designing GUIs. Perl is pretty much history. Arthur _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From hans.andersen at phulse.com Thu Jan 10 14:13:55 2013 From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 12:13:55 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] A geek with a hat - My very own daily WTF In-Reply-To: <8ADC1FE58D39412DA796D48A6947FA0F@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <00d501cdef48$ce33afb0$6a9b0f10$@cactus.dk><000301cdef49$672fa840$358ef8c0$@comcast.net> <8ADC1FE58D39412DA796D48A6947FA0F@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <4C38311B-6F27-4A82-981F-2F3EE7D3B692@phulse.com> I think this is a story a lot of us can relate to. - Hans "My very own daily WTF" - a story from Swizec Teller ======================================== People often hire me to grab their codebase by the horns and introduce a modicum of engineering standards. Eventually I get to implement new features, but they usually come at the cost of heavy refactoring before I can even get started. A good month ago a founder emails me ?Hey, I have this product, customer development at a point where big customers are waiting with fat checks to use product. I can?t even get it to run, original developers nowhere to be seen. Can you help?? The original developers fleeing was a bit of a red flag, but the product was right up my alley: node.js, mongodb, plenty of real-time data flow and speed requirements for updating the UI. The names of waiting users made my ears perk up as well. I?ll do it! How bad could it be?.... Follow this link for the rest of the story: http://swizec.com/blog/my-very-own-daily-wtf/swizec/5829 From accessd at shaw.ca Thu Jan 10 20:20:05 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 18:20:05 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] A geek with a hat - My very own daily WTF In-Reply-To: <4C38311B-6F27-4A82-981F-2F3EE7D3B692@phulse.com> References: <00d501cdef48$ce33afb0$6a9b0f10$@cactus.dk><000301cdef49$672fa840$358ef8c0$@comcast.net><8ADC1FE58D39412DA796D48A6947FA0F@creativesystemdesigns.com> <4C38311B-6F27-4A82-981F-2F3EE7D3B692@phulse.com> Message-ID: Gross. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hans-Christian Andersen Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 12:14 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] A geek with a hat - My very own daily WTF I think this is a story a lot of us can relate to. - Hans "My very own daily WTF" - a story from Swizec Teller ======================================== People often hire me to grab their codebase by the horns and introduce a modicum of engineering standards. Eventually I get to implement new features, but they usually come at the cost of heavy refactoring before I can even get started. A good month ago a founder emails me "Hey, I have this product, customer development at a point where big customers are waiting with fat checks to use product. I can't even get it to run, original developers nowhere to be seen. Can you help?" The original developers fleeing was a bit of a red flag, but the product was right up my alley: node.js, mongodb, plenty of real-time data flow and speed requirements for updating the UI. The names of waiting users made my ears perk up as well. I'll do it! How bad could it be?.... Follow this link for the rest of the story: http://swizec.com/blog/my-very-own-daily-wtf/swizec/5829 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From john at winhaven.net Thu Jan 10 23:57:55 2013 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 23:57:55 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] A geek with a hat - My very own daily WTF In-Reply-To: <4C38311B-6F27-4A82-981F-2F3EE7D3B692@phulse.com> References: <00d501cdef48$ce33afb0$6a9b0f10$@cactus.dk><000301cdef49$672fa840$358ef8c0$@comcast.net> <8ADC1FE58D39412DA796D48A6947FA0F@creativesystemdesigns.com> <4C38311B-6F27-4A82-981F-2F3EE7D3B692@phulse.com> Message-ID: <028101cdefc0$9ed91ac0$dc8b5040$@winhaven.net> Wow. And I thought I had taken on some bad projects! -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hans-Christian Andersen Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 2:14 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] A geek with a hat - My very own daily WTF I think this is a story a lot of us can relate to. - Hans "My very own daily WTF" - a story from Swizec Teller ======================================== People often hire me to grab their codebase by the horns and introduce a modicum of engineering standards. Eventually I get to implement new features, but they usually come at the cost of heavy refactoring before I can even get started. A good month ago a founder emails me "Hey, I have this product, customer development at a point where big customers are waiting with fat checks to use product. I can't even get it to run, original developers nowhere to be seen. Can you help?" The original developers fleeing was a bit of a red flag, but the product was right up my alley: node.js, mongodb, plenty of real-time data flow and speed requirements for updating the UI. The names of waiting users made my ears perk up as well. I'll do it! How bad could it be?.... Follow this link for the rest of the story: http://swizec.com/blog/my-very-own-daily-wtf/swizec/5829 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From gustav at cactus.dk Fri Jan 11 04:01:23 2013 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 11:01:23 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Apps for Linux? (was: Linux vs Windows) In-Reply-To: <000d01cdef58$2e2a7f70$8a7f7e50$@comcast.net> References: <00d501cdef48$ce33afb0$6a9b0f10$@cactus.dk> <000301cdef49$672fa840$358ef8c0$@comcast.net> <000d01cdef58$2e2a7f70$8a7f7e50$@comcast.net> Message-ID: <011c01cdefe2$9ccd25b0$d6677110$@cactus.dk> Hi Dan That would be Mono. Links have been posted. I haven't tried it though, as we have no clients running Linux desktops. /gustav -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Dan Waters Sendt: 10. januar 2013 18:30 Til: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Apps for Linux? (was: Linux vs Windows) Hi Art, All of that sounds like web apps - which I have decided not to do. Is there anything equivalent to a .Net Winform app? Thanks! Dan -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 10:00 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Apps for Linux? (was: Linux vs Windows) Apps for Linux... Open Office or OfficeLibre give you everything Office does except Access. There is Open Office Base but it's nowhere near as powerful as is Access. In terms of #.Net, there is the Mono project and its C# compiler. In terms of SQL Server, you have MySQL Oracle Express, PostGres and a few NoSQL entries. As regards a front end for MySQL or other databases, the most common approach is PHP + Apache, but Ruby on Rails is also very popular; so is Python. See also our (Peter's and my) TheUsual.php (available from our web site (artfulsoftware.com). For typical db admin stuff, there are SQLBench and phpAdmin. And not to forget Tcl/Tk for designing GUIs. Perl is pretty much history. Arthur From mcp2004 at mail.ru Fri Jan 11 04:02:12 2013 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 14:02:12 +0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?FYI=3A_=22Microsoft_may_still_win_the_tablet?= =?utf-8?q?_war=22_and_other_mobile_market_news_directly_related_to_MS_tec?= =?utf-8?b?aG5vbG9naWVzLi4u?= Message-ID: <1357898532.875555760@f219.mail.ru> Hi All - FYI: * Microsoft may still win the tablet war http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/tablets/microsoft-may-still-win-the-tablet-war/2709?tag=nl.e101&s_cid=e101 * Microsoft Announces 60M Licenses For Windows 8 Sold, Showing Similar Sales Trajectory To Windows?7 http://techcrunch.com/2013/01/08/microsoft-announces-60m-licenses-for-windows-8-sold-showing-similar-sales-trajectory-to-windows-7 * Bright Spot For Nokia As Lumia And Other Q4 Mobile Sales ?Exceeded Expectations?, With 4.4M Lumias Sold, But Q1 May Bring More?Woe ? http://techcrunch.com/2013/01/10/a-bright-spot-for-nokia-as-lumia-and-other-mobile-sales-exceeded-expectations-in-q4/ ?*? Nokia Launches WP8 Flagships In India: Lumia 920, 820 On Sale From Tomorrow; Lumia 620 Coming In Early February (Not?January) http://techcrunch.com/2013/01/10/nokia-launches-wp8-flagships-in-india-lumia-920-820-on-sale-from-tomorrow-lumia-620-coming-in-early-february/ ? * * Nokia Confirms It?s Keeping An Open Mind About Using Android In Future. Message To Microsoft: Don?t Take Support For?Granted? http://techcrunch.com/2013/01/08/nokia-confirms-its-keeping-an-open-mind-about-using-android-in-future-message-to-microsoft-dont-take-support-for-granted ? Thank you. -- Shamil? From hans.andersen at phulse.com Fri Jan 11 04:23:39 2013 From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 02:23:39 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] FYI: "Microsoft may still win the tablet war" and other mobile market news directly related to MS technologies... In-Reply-To: <1357898532.875555760@f219.mail.ru> References: <1357898532.875555760@f219.mail.ru> Message-ID: <3BC733B4-89EC-405B-BD13-33EC39377A31@phulse.com> One can easily punch holes in each of those articles. The majority of chatter that I hear from tech insiders these days are expecting the demise of Nokia and that Microsoft will drop Windows RT tablets due to poor sales as early as the end of this year. There is more negative press than positive, as far as I can tell (like with Vista). To be honest, Microsoft always has the leverage of being a monopoly for so many years. Many people will be in the situation of buying a Windows 8 laptop, because they don't know what else to buy. I think this will be a watershed year, where we will truly see whether Microsofts strategy is genius or suicide. Whether Windows 8 is best described as this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDpwKiRKmZc or as this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79nvj90cwmk Some people have suggested that Windows 8 is a conspiracy to get everyone to adopt Windows 9 when it arrives, just as everyone did with Windows 7 over Vista. That's a bit too crazy for my taste though. - Hans On 2013-01-11, at 2:02 AM, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote: > Hi All - > > FYI: > > * Microsoft may still win the tablet war http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/tablets/microsoft-may-still-win-the-tablet-war/2709?tag=nl.e101&s_cid=e101 > > > * Microsoft Announces 60M Licenses For Windows 8 Sold, Showing Similar Sales Trajectory To Windows 7 > > http://techcrunch.com/2013/01/08/microsoft-announces-60m-licenses-for-windows-8-sold-showing-similar-sales-trajectory-to-windows-7 > > > * Bright Spot For Nokia As Lumia And Other Q4 Mobile Sales ?Exceeded Expectations?, With 4.4M Lumias Sold, But Q1 May Bring More Woe > > http://techcrunch.com/2013/01/10/a-bright-spot-for-nokia-as-lumia-and-other-mobile-sales-exceeded-expectations-in-q4/ > > > * Nokia Launches WP8 Flagships In India: Lumia 920, 820 On Sale From Tomorrow; Lumia 620 Coming In Early February (Not January) > > > http://techcrunch.com/2013/01/10/nokia-launches-wp8-flagships-in-india-lumia-920-820-on-sale-from-tomorrow-lumia-620-coming-in-early-february/ > > > * * Nokia Confirms It?s Keeping An Open Mind About Using Android In Future. Message To Microsoft: Don?t Take Support For Granted? > > http://techcrunch.com/2013/01/08/nokia-confirms-its-keeping-an-open-mind-about-using-android-in-future-message-to-microsoft-dont-take-support-for-granted > > > Thank you. > > -- Shamil > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From mcp2004 at mail.ru Fri Jan 11 04:57:27 2013 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 14:57:27 +0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?FYI=3A_=22Microsoft_may_still_win_the_tablet?= =?utf-8?q?_war=22_and_other_mobile_market_news_directly_related_to_MS_tec?= =?utf-8?b?aG5vbG9naWVzLi4u?= In-Reply-To: <3BC733B4-89EC-405B-BD13-33EC39377A31@phulse.com> References: <1357898532.875555760@f219.mail.ru> <3BC733B4-89EC-405B-BD13-33EC39377A31@phulse.com> Message-ID: <1357901847.945819776@f51.mail.ru> Hi Hans -- Thank you for your remark. I must note my intention in posting the subject news wasn't to post "bullet-/punch-holes- proof" Microsoft and Nokia's-MS-tied technologies' information - you can find that the last news is on probable Nokia's adaptation of Android. Actually I'm going to learn and to hopefully?find projects for mobile development not only for MS technologies but for Android and Apple ones. I'm currently working almost solely with MS Windows technologies but when I will get some experience with MS Windows Phone and WinRT (Windows tablet) development the move to Android (using MonoDroid) and iPhone (MonoTouch) promise to be natural as I have read from ?some of the tech. books. Of course it would be better to use native Android and iPhone dev. tools but that would be the next step. And with MS Azure and ASP.NET MVC 4+ becoming friendly platforms for HTML5, JavaScript (jQuery), node.js, Knockout etc. widely used web technologies - becoming a "multi-platform" developer starting from current MS development experience looks like not a bad plan here... if time will allow... Python is on my "long waiting list" - do you use Python in your everyday web development there? Thank you. -- Shamil P.S. ?BTW,?this message is sent from Windows 8, which I'm using mainly in "classic" mode for more than a month and I like it a lot... ???????, 11 ?????? 2013, 2:23 -08:00 ?? Hans-Christian Andersen : >One can easily punch holes in each of those articles. The majority of chatter that I hear from tech insiders these days are expecting the demise of Nokia and that Microsoft will drop Windows RT tablets due to poor sales as early as the end of this year. There is more negative press than positive, as far as I can tell (like with Vista). > >To be honest, Microsoft always has the leverage of being a monopoly for so many years. Many people will be in the situation of buying a Windows 8 laptop, because they don't know what else to buy. I think this will be a watershed year, where we will truly see whether Microsofts strategy is genius or suicide. > >Whether Windows 8 is best described as this: >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDpwKiRKmZc > >or as this: >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79nvj90cwmk > >Some people have suggested that Windows 8 is a conspiracy to get everyone to adopt Windows 9 when it arrives, just as everyone did with Windows 7 over Vista. That's a bit too crazy for my taste though. > >- Hans > > >On 2013-01-11, at 2:02 AM, Salakhetdinov Shamil < mcp2004 at mail.ru > wrote: > >> Hi All - >> >> FYI: >> >> * Microsoft may still win the tablet war http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/tablets/microsoft-may-still-win-the-tablet-war/2709?tag=nl.e101&s_cid=e101 >> >> >> * Microsoft Announces 60M Licenses For Windows 8 Sold, Showing Similar Sales Trajectory To Windows 7 >> >> http://techcrunch.com/2013/01/08/microsoft-announces-60m-licenses-for-windows-8-sold-showing-similar-sales-trajectory-to-windows-7 >> >> >> * Bright Spot For Nokia As Lumia And Other Q4 Mobile Sales ?Exceeded Expectations?, With 4.4M Lumias Sold, But Q1 May Bring More Woe >> >> http://techcrunch.com/2013/01/10/a-bright-spot-for-nokia-as-lumia-and-other-mobile-sales-exceeded-expectations-in-q4/ >> >> >> * Nokia Launches WP8 Flagships In India: Lumia 920, 820 On Sale From Tomorrow; Lumia 620 Coming In Early February (Not January) >> >> >> http://techcrunch.com/2013/01/10/nokia-launches-wp8-flagships-in-india-lumia-920-820-on-sale-from-tomorrow-lumia-620-coming-in-early-february/ >> >> >> * * Nokia Confirms It?s Keeping An Open Mind About Using Android In Future. Message To Microsoft: Don?t Take Support For Granted? >> >> http://techcrunch.com/2013/01/08/nokia-confirms-its-keeping-an-open-mind-about-using-android-in-future-message-to-microsoft-dont-take-support-for-granted >> >> >> Thank you. >> >> -- Shamil? From df.waters at comcast.net Fri Jan 11 10:20:20 2013 From: df.waters at comcast.net (Dan Waters) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 10:20:20 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Apps for Linux? (was: Linux vs Windows) In-Reply-To: <011c01cdefe2$9ccd25b0$d6677110$@cactus.dk> References: <00d501cdef48$ce33afb0$6a9b0f10$@cactus.dk> <000301cdef49$672fa840$358ef8c0$@comcast.net> <000d01cdef58$2e2a7f70$8a7f7e50$@comcast.net> <011c01cdefe2$9ccd25b0$d6677110$@cactus.dk> Message-ID: <002401cdf017$8daaafa0$a9000ee0$@comcast.net> Thanks Gustav, I haven't come across a potential customer yet who uses Linux on servers or desktops, but if I do then perhaps I could help them. Dan -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Friday, January 11, 2013 4:01 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Apps for Linux? (was: Linux vs Windows) Hi Dan That would be Mono. Links have been posted. I haven't tried it though, as we have no clients running Linux desktops. /gustav -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Dan Waters Sendt: 10. januar 2013 18:30 Til: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Apps for Linux? (was: Linux vs Windows) Hi Art, All of that sounds like web apps - which I have decided not to do. Is there anything equivalent to a .Net Winform app? Thanks! Dan -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 10:00 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Apps for Linux? (was: Linux vs Windows) Apps for Linux... Open Office or OfficeLibre give you everything Office does except Access. There is Open Office Base but it's nowhere near as powerful as is Access. In terms of #.Net, there is the Mono project and its C# compiler. In terms of SQL Server, you have MySQL Oracle Express, PostGres and a few NoSQL entries. As regards a front end for MySQL or other databases, the most common approach is PHP + Apache, but Ruby on Rails is also very popular; so is Python. See also our (Peter's and my) TheUsual.php (available from our web site (artfulsoftware.com). For typical db admin stuff, there are SQLBench and phpAdmin. And not to forget Tcl/Tk for designing GUIs. Perl is pretty much history. Arthur _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From john at winhaven.net Fri Jan 11 11:51:19 2013 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 11:51:19 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] FYI: "Microsoft may still win the tablet war" and other mobile market news directly related to MS technologies... In-Reply-To: <1357898532.875555760@f219.mail.ru> References: <1357898532.875555760@f219.mail.ru> Message-ID: <03da01cdf024$445c4900$cd14db00$@winhaven.net> I haven't tried it on a phone yet but have on other touch screen devices. It's OK but the mail app is horrendously poor. Huge oversight considering almost everyone uses their devices for browsing, social networking and email. Windows 8 on a non-touch screen is not so good. Why didn't they leave the start menu option available? Shortsighted; another forced contrivance from people who apparently have no idea how much the general public resents change for no purpose. Good for me because I'm selling a lot of new Windows 7 PCs to businesses which don't want to be stuck with Windows 8 in the near future. I'm in the process of working out modifying everything in the desktop UI to make it more like Windows 7. Scripting it all and then installing said script for clients. Any help would be appreciated :-) John B -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov Shamil Sent: Friday, January 11, 2013 4:02 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] FYI: "Microsoft may still win the tablet war" and other mobile market news directly related to MS technologies... Hi All - FYI: * Microsoft may still win the tablet war http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/tablets/microsoft-may-still-win-the-tablet-war/2709?tag=nl.e101&s_cid=e101 * Microsoft Announces 60M Licenses For Windows 8 Sold, Showing Similar Sales Trajectory To Windows 7 http://techcrunch.com/2013/01/08/microsoft-announces-60m-licenses-for-windows-8-sold-showing-similar-sales-trajectory-to-windows-7 * Bright Spot For Nokia As Lumia And Other Q4 Mobile Sales ?Exceeded Expectations?, With 4.4M Lumias Sold, But Q1 May Bring More Woe http://techcrunch.com/2013/01/10/a-bright-spot-for-nokia-as-lumia-and-other-mobile-sales-exceeded-expectations-in-q4/ * Nokia Launches WP8 Flagships In India: Lumia 920, 820 On Sale From Tomorrow; Lumia 620 Coming In Early February (Not January) http://techcrunch.com/2013/01/10/nokia-launches-wp8-flagships-in-india-lumia-920-820-on-sale-from-tomorrow-lumia-620-coming-in-early-february/ * * Nokia Confirms It?s Keeping An Open Mind About Using Android In Future. Message To Microsoft: Don?t Take Support For Granted? http://techcrunch.com/2013/01/08/nokia-confirms-its-keeping-an-open-mind-about-using-android-in-future-message-to-microsoft-dont-take-support-for-granted Thank you. -- Shamil _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From john at winhaven.net Fri Jan 11 11:56:29 2013 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 11:56:29 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] FYI: "Microsoft may still win the tablet war" and other mobile market news directly related to MS technologies... In-Reply-To: <3BC733B4-89EC-405B-BD13-33EC39377A31@phulse.com> References: <1357898532.875555760@f219.mail.ru> <3BC733B4-89EC-405B-BD13-33EC39377A31@phulse.com> Message-ID: <03db01cdf024$fe04f8c0$fa0eea40$@winhaven.net> Eh, eh, eh - I've privately thought the same thing. I'm betting on the reappearance of the start menu in Windows 9 desktop version. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hans-Christian Andersen Sent: Friday, January 11, 2013 4:24 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] FYI: "Microsoft may still win the tablet war" and other mobile market news directly related to MS technologies... Some people have suggested that Windows 8 is a conspiracy to get everyone to adopt Windows 9 when it arrives, just as everyone did with Windows 7 over Vista. That's a bit too crazy for my taste though. - Hans From hans.andersen at phulse.com Fri Jan 11 13:16:49 2013 From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 11:16:49 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] FYI: "Microsoft may still win the tablet war" and other mobile market news directly related to MS technologies... In-Reply-To: <1357901847.945819776@f51.mail.ru> References: <1357898532.875555760@f219.mail.ru> <3BC733B4-89EC-405B-BD13-33EC39377A31@phulse.com> <1357901847.945819776@f51.mail.ru> Message-ID: <3CD140CD-0CE7-4ED5-8628-DCD333CAC596@phulse.com> Hi Shamil, > Python is on my "long waiting list" - do you use Python in your everyday web development there? Not currently, but I did use Python and Django for a bit recently. I quite liked it and the syntactic sugar as great, but you just have to be aware of these things or else it just looks like magic at first. I highly recommend you move Python up your waiting list, because it will benefit you in many ways, not the least that Python is cross platform. > I must note my intention in posting the subject news wasn't to post "bullet-/punch-holes- proof" Microsoft and Nokia's-MS-tied technologies' information - you can find that the last news is on probable Nokia's adaptation of Android. Fair enough. I thought you were posting a 'current state of Windows 8 / Phone 8' (of which I'm sceptical, as you can tell). > the move to Android (using MonoDroid) and iPhone (MonoTouch) promise to be natural as I have read from some of the tech. books. Of course it would be better to use native Android and iPhone dev. tools but that would be the next step. So, Apple is now allowing applications built in MonoTouch? Interesting. Didn't realise this was happening. - Hans On 2013-01-11, at 2:57 AM, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote: > Hi Hans -- > > Thank you for your remark. > > I must note my intention in posting the subject news wasn't to post "bullet-/punch-holes- proof" Microsoft and Nokia's-MS-tied technologies' information - you can find that the last news is on probable Nokia's adaptation of Android. > > Actually I'm going to learn and to hopefully find projects for mobile development not only for MS technologies but for Android and Apple ones. > > I'm currently working almost solely with MS Windows technologies but when I will get some experience with MS Windows Phone and WinRT (Windows tablet) development the move to Android (using MonoDroid) and iPhone (MonoTouch) promise to be natural as I have read from some of the tech. books. Of course it would be better to use native Android and iPhone dev. tools but that would be the next step. > > And with MS Azure and ASP.NET MVC 4+ becoming friendly platforms for HTML5, JavaScript (jQuery), node.js, Knockout etc. widely used web technologies - becoming a "multi-platform" developer starting from current MS development experience looks like not a bad plan here... if time will allow... > > Python is on my "long waiting list" - do you use Python in your everyday web development there? > > Thank you. > > -- Shamil > > > P.S. BTW, this message is sent from Windows 8, which I'm using mainly in "classic" mode for more than a month and I like it a lot... > > > ???????, 11 ?????? 2013, 2:23 -08:00 ?? Hans-Christian Andersen : >> One can easily punch holes in each of those articles. The majority of chatter that I hear from tech insiders these days are expecting the demise of Nokia and that Microsoft will drop Windows RT tablets due to poor sales as early as the end of this year. There is more negative press than positive, as far as I can tell (like with Vista). >> >> To be honest, Microsoft always has the leverage of being a monopoly for so many years. Many people will be in the situation of buying a Windows 8 laptop, because they don't know what else to buy. I think this will be a watershed year, where we will truly see whether Microsofts strategy is genius or suicide. >> >> Whether Windows 8 is best described as this: >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDpwKiRKmZc >> >> or as this: >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79nvj90cwmk >> >> Some people have suggested that Windows 8 is a conspiracy to get everyone to adopt Windows 9 when it arrives, just as everyone did with Windows 7 over Vista. That's a bit too crazy for my taste though. >> >> - Hans >> >> >> On 2013-01-11, at 2:02 AM, Salakhetdinov Shamil < mcp2004 at mail.ru > wrote: >> >>> Hi All - >>> >>> FYI: >>> >>> * Microsoft may still win the tablet war http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/tablets/microsoft-may-still-win-the-tablet-war/2709?tag=nl.e101&s_cid=e101 >>> >>> >>> * Microsoft Announces 60M Licenses For Windows 8 Sold, Showing Similar Sales Trajectory To Windows 7 >>> >>> http://techcrunch.com/2013/01/08/microsoft-announces-60m-licenses-for-windows-8-sold-showing-similar-sales-trajectory-to-windows-7 >>> >>> >>> * Bright Spot For Nokia As Lumia And Other Q4 Mobile Sales ?Exceeded Expectations?, With 4.4M Lumias Sold, But Q1 May Bring More Woe >>> >>> http://techcrunch.com/2013/01/10/a-bright-spot-for-nokia-as-lumia-and-other-mobile-sales-exceeded-expectations-in-q4/ >>> >>> >>> * Nokia Launches WP8 Flagships In India: Lumia 920, 820 On Sale From Tomorrow; Lumia 620 Coming In Early February (Not January) >>> >>> >>> http://techcrunch.com/2013/01/10/nokia-launches-wp8-flagships-in-india-lumia-920-820-on-sale-from-tomorrow-lumia-620-coming-in-early-february/ >>> >>> >>> * * Nokia Confirms It?s Keeping An Open Mind About Using Android In Future. Message To Microsoft: Don?t Take Support For Granted? >>> >>> http://techcrunch.com/2013/01/08/nokia-confirms-its-keeping-an-open-mind-about-using-android-in-future-message-to-microsoft-dont-take-support-for-granted >>> >>> >>> Thank you. >>> >>> -- Shamil > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From mcp2004 at mail.ru Fri Jan 11 14:18:53 2013 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2013 00:18:53 +0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?FYI=3A_=22Microsoft_may_still_win_the_tablet?= =?utf-8?q?_war=22_and_other_mobile_market_news_directly_related_to_MS_tec?= =?utf-8?b?aG5vbG9naWVzLi4u?= In-Reply-To: <3CD140CD-0CE7-4ED5-8628-DCD333CAC596@phulse.com> References: <1357898532.875555760@f219.mail.ru> <1357901847.945819776@f51.mail.ru> <3CD140CD-0CE7-4ED5-8628-DCD333CAC596@phulse.com> Message-ID: <1357935533.344844422@f293.mail.ru> Hi Hans -- Yes, iPhone/iPad development can be done using MonoTouch as it follows from the books (I have no own experience with MonoTouch) - here is one of the books:? http://www.wrox.com/WileyCDA/WroxTitle/Professional-iPhone-Programming-with-MonoTouch-and-NET-C-.productCd-047063782X.html ?. There quite some others if you look at Amazon, e.g.? http://www.amazon.com/Learning-MonoTouch-Hands-Building-Applications/dp/0321719921 ?... And Python is available for Visual Studio as IronPython ?-? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IronPython ?- it should be good enough to start with when time will allow. There exists also IronRuby -? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IronRuby ?... Thank you. -- Shamil ???????, 11 ?????? 2013, 11:16 -08:00 ?? Hans-Christian Andersen : >Hi Shamil, > >> Python is on my "long waiting list" - do you use Python in your everyday web development there? > >Not currently, but I did use Python and Django for a bit recently. I quite liked it and the syntactic sugar as great, but you just have to be aware of these things or else it just looks like magic at first. > >I highly recommend you move Python up your waiting list, because it will benefit you in many ways, not the least that Python is cross platform. > >> I must note my intention in posting the subject news wasn't to post "bullet-/punch-holes- proof" Microsoft and Nokia's-MS-tied technologies' information - you can find that the last news is on probable Nokia's adaptation of Android. > >Fair enough. I thought you were posting a 'current state of Windows 8 / Phone 8' (of which I'm sceptical, as you can tell). > >> the move to Android (using MonoDroid) and iPhone (MonoTouch) promise to be natural as I have read from some of the tech. books. Of course it would be better to use native Android and iPhone dev. tools but that would be the next step. > >So, Apple is now allowing applications built in MonoTouch? Interesting. Didn't realise this was happening. > > >- Hans > ><<< skipped >>> From fuller.artful at gmail.com Fri Jan 11 15:04:49 2013 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 16:04:49 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: Friday brain-teaser Message-ID: This is a very old problem concerning an ancient Greek whose name I won't mention, since that might enable you to simply Google and obtain the answer. His boyhood last 1/6th of his life; his beard grew after 1/12th more; he married after 1/7th more, and his son was born five years later. The son lived to half his father's age, and the father died four years after his son. How old was the father? -- Arthur The most likely way for the world to be destroyed, most experts agree, is by accident. That's where we come in; we're computer professionals. We cause accidents. -Nathaniel Borenstein From hans.andersen at phulse.com Fri Jan 11 15:31:42 2013 From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 13:31:42 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] FYI: "Microsoft may still win the tablet war" and other mobile market news directly related to MS technologies... In-Reply-To: <1357935533.344844422@f293.mail.ru> References: <1357898532.875555760@f219.mail.ru> <1357901847.945819776@f51.mail.ru> <3CD140CD-0CE7-4ED5-8628-DCD333CAC596@phulse.com> <1357935533.344844422@f293.mail.ru> Message-ID: <0141AEFF-9A00-4E4B-B6DE-EA87363C13C8@phulse.com> It's a bit disconcerting though that IronRuby hasn't had a stable release in 2 years and that Microsoft abandoned their support of both IronPython and IronRuby in 2010. Whats going on there? - Hans On 2013-01-11, at 12:18 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote: > Hi Hans -- > > Yes, iPhone/iPad development can be done using MonoTouch as it follows from the books (I have no own experience with MonoTouch) - here is one of the books: http://www.wrox.com/WileyCDA/WroxTitle/Professional-iPhone-Programming-with-MonoTouch-and-NET-C-.productCd-047063782X.html . There quite some others if you look at Amazon, e.g. http://www.amazon.com/Learning-MonoTouch-Hands-Building-Applications/dp/0321719921 ... > > And Python is available for Visual Studio as IronPython - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IronPython - it should be good enough to start with when time will allow. > > There exists also IronRuby - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IronRuby ... > > Thank you. > > -- Shamil > > > ???????, 11 ?????? 2013, 11:16 -08:00 ?? Hans-Christian Andersen : >> Hi Shamil, >> >>> Python is on my "long waiting list" - do you use Python in your everyday web development there? >> >> Not currently, but I did use Python and Django for a bit recently. I quite liked it and the syntactic sugar as great, but you just have to be aware of these things or else it just looks like magic at first. >> >> I highly recommend you move Python up your waiting list, because it will benefit you in many ways, not the least that Python is cross platform. >> >>> I must note my intention in posting the subject news wasn't to post "bullet-/punch-holes- proof" Microsoft and Nokia's-MS-tied technologies' information - you can find that the last news is on probable Nokia's adaptation of Android. >> >> Fair enough. I thought you were posting a 'current state of Windows 8 / Phone 8' (of which I'm sceptical, as you can tell). >> >>> the move to Android (using MonoDroid) and iPhone (MonoTouch) promise to be natural as I have read from some of the tech. books. Of course it would be better to use native Android and iPhone dev. tools but that would be the next step. >> >> So, Apple is now allowing applications built in MonoTouch? Interesting. Didn't realise this was happening. >> >> >> - Hans >> >> <<< skipped >>> > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From mcp2004 at mail.ru Fri Jan 11 16:16:20 2013 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2013 02:16:20 +0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?OT=3A_Friday_brain-teaser?= Message-ID: <1357942580.536714047@f211.mail.ru> 84. (Used to help my son to solve 5th grade math tasks.) ???????, 11 ?????? 2013, 16:04 -05:00 ?? Arthur Fuller : >This is a very old problem concerning an ancient Greek whose name I won't >mention, since that might enable you to simply Google and obtain the answer. > >His boyhood last 1/6th of his life; his beard grew after 1/12th more; he >married after 1/7th more, and his son was born five years later. The son >lived to half his father's age, and the father died four years after his >son. How old was the father? > >-- >Arthur > >The most likely way for the world to be destroyed, most experts agree, is >by accident. That's where we come in; we're computer professionals. We >cause accidents. > >-Nathaniel Borenstein< http://www.quoteland.com/author/Nathaniel-Borenstein-Quotes/63/ > >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From mcp2004 at mail.ru Fri Jan 11 16:43:03 2013 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2013 02:43:03 +0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?FYI=3A_=22Microsoft_may_still_win_the_tablet?= =?utf-8?q?_war=22_and_other_mobile_market_news_directly_related_to_MS_tec?= =?utf-8?b?aG5vbG9naWVzLi4u?= In-Reply-To: <0141AEFF-9A00-4E4B-B6DE-EA87363C13C8@phulse.com> References: <1357898532.875555760@f219.mail.ru> <1357935533.344844422@f293.mail.ru> <0141AEFF-9A00-4E4B-B6DE-EA87363C13C8@phulse.com> Message-ID: <1357944183.768155684@f390.i.mail.ru> I do not strictly follow IronPython and IronRuby and I do not have them currently installed with Visual Studio: - IronPython seems to be evolving as open source project ( http://ironpython.net/ ) as well as IronRuby ( http://ironruby.net/ ) but the latter one seems to be "frozen" since summer 2011. Here is an interesting 'farewell note' from one of IronPython developers -? http://hugunin.net/microsoft_farewell.html ?- who has left MS for Google AFAIU.... -- Shamil ???????, 11 ?????? 2013, 13:31 -08:00 ?? Hans-Christian Andersen : > > >It's a bit disconcerting though that IronRuby hasn't had a stable release in 2 years and that Microsoft abandoned their support of both IronPython and IronRuby in 2010. > >Whats going on there? > >- Hans > > > >On 2013-01-11, at 12:18 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil < mcp2004 at mail.ru > wrote: > >> Hi Hans -- >> >> Yes, iPhone/iPad development can be done using MonoTouch as it follows from the books (I have no own experience with MonoTouch) - here is one of the books: http://www.wrox.com/WileyCDA/WroxTitle/Professional-iPhone-Programming-with-MonoTouch-and-NET-C-.productCd-047063782X.html . There quite some others if you look at Amazon, e.g. http://www.amazon.com/Learning-MonoTouch-Hands-Building-Applications/dp/0321719921 ... >> >> And Python is available for Visual Studio as IronPython - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IronPython - it should be good enough to start with when time will allow. >> >> There exists also IronRuby - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IronRuby ... >> >> Thank you. >> >> -- Shamil >> >> >> ???????, 11 ?????? 2013, 11:16 -08:00 ?? Hans-Christian Andersen < hans.andersen at phulse.com >: >>> Hi Shamil, >>> >>>> Python is on my "long waiting list" - do you use Python in your everyday web development there? >>> >>> Not currently, but I did use Python and Django for a bit recently. I quite liked it and the syntactic sugar as great, but you just have to be aware of these things or else it just looks like magic at first. >>> >>> I highly recommend you move Python up your waiting list, because it will benefit you in many ways, not the least that Python is cross platform. >>> >>>> I must note my intention in posting the subject news wasn't to post "bullet-/punch-holes- proof" Microsoft and Nokia's-MS-tied technologies' information - you can find that the last news is on probable Nokia's adaptation of Android. >>> >>> Fair enough. I thought you were posting a 'current state of Windows 8 / Phone 8' (of which I'm sceptical, as you can tell). >>> >>>> the move to Android (using MonoDroid) and iPhone (MonoTouch) promise to be natural as I have read from some of the tech. books. Of course it would be better to use native Android and iPhone dev. tools but that would be the next step. >>> >>> So, Apple is now allowing applications built in MonoTouch? Interesting. Didn't realise this was happening. >>> >>> >>> - Hans >>> >>> <<< skipped >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Fri Jan 11 16:52:29 2013 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2013 08:52:29 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: Friday brain-teaser In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <50F097AD.3696.E2074962@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> On 11 Jan 2013 at 16:04, Arthur Fuller wrote: > This is a very old problem concerning an ancient Greek whose name I won't > mention, since that might enable you to simply Google and obtain the answer. > > His boyhood last 1/6th of his life; his beard grew after 1/12th more; he > married after 1/7th more, and his son was born five years later. The son > lived to half his father's age, and the father died four years after his > son. How old was the father? > > -- > Arthur > If I haven't made any mistakes: x = fathers lifespan sb = son's birth year sd = sons death year First sentence: 1. sb = (x/6 + x/12 + x/7 + 5) Second Sentence: 2a. sd = sb + x/2 2b. sd = x- 4 so x- 4 = sb + x/2 so sb = x - 4 - x/2 Combining 1 and 2 x/6 + x/12 + x/7 + 5 = x - 4 - x/2 So x - x/2 - x/6 - x/7 - x/12 = 5 + 4 LCD = 84 so 84x/84 - 42x/84 - 14x/84 - 12x/84 - 7x/84 = 9 (84-42-14-12-7)x/84 = 9 9x/84 = 9 x/84 = 1 x = 84 From hans.andersen at phulse.com Fri Jan 11 18:21:43 2013 From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 16:21:43 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] FYI: "Microsoft may still win the tablet war" and other mobile market news directly related to MS technologies... In-Reply-To: <1357944183.768155684@f390.i.mail.ru> References: <1357898532.875555760@f219.mail.ru> <1357935533.344844422@f293.mail.ru> <0141AEFF-9A00-4E4B-B6DE-EA87363C13C8@phulse.com> <1357944183.768155684@f390.i.mail.ru> Message-ID: Why did Microsoft pull their support, I wonder? Best regards, Hans-Christian Andersen On 11 Jan 2013, at 14:43, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote: > I do not strictly follow IronPython and IronRuby and I do not have them currently installed with Visual Studio: > > - IronPython seems to be evolving as open source project ( http://ironpython.net/ ) as well as IronRuby ( http://ironruby.net/ ) but the latter one seems to be "frozen" since summer 2011. > > Here is an interesting 'farewell note' from one of IronPython developers - http://hugunin.net/microsoft_farewell.html - who has left MS for Google AFAIU.... > > -- Shamil > > ???????, 11 ?????? 2013, 13:31 -08:00 ?? Hans-Christian Andersen : >> >> >> It's a bit disconcerting though that IronRuby hasn't had a stable release in 2 years and that Microsoft abandoned their support of both IronPython and IronRuby in 2010. >> >> Whats going on there? >> >> - Hans >> >> >> >> On 2013-01-11, at 12:18 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil < mcp2004 at mail.ru > wrote: >> >>> Hi Hans -- >>> >>> Yes, iPhone/iPad development can be done using MonoTouch as it follows from the books (I have no own experience with MonoTouch) - here is one of the books: http://www.wrox.com/WileyCDA/WroxTitle/Professional-iPhone-Programming-with-MonoTouch-and-NET-C-.productCd-047063782X.html . There quite some others if you look at Amazon, e.g. http://www.amazon.com/Learning-MonoTouch-Hands-Building-Applications/dp/0321719921 ... >>> >>> And Python is available for Visual Studio as IronPython - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IronPython - it should be good enough to start with when time will allow. >>> >>> There exists also IronRuby - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IronRuby ... >>> >>> Thank you. >>> >>> -- Shamil >>> >>> >>> ???????, 11 ?????? 2013, 11:16 -08:00 ?? Hans-Christian Andersen < hans.andersen at phulse.com >: >>>> Hi Shamil, >>>> >>>>> Python is on my "long waiting list" - do you use Python in your everyday web development there? >>>> >>>> Not currently, but I did use Python and Django for a bit recently. I quite liked it and the syntactic sugar as great, but you just have to be aware of these things or else it just looks like magic at first. >>>> >>>> I highly recommend you move Python up your waiting list, because it will benefit you in many ways, not the least that Python is cross platform. >>>> >>>>> I must note my intention in posting the subject news wasn't to post "bullet-/punch-holes- proof" Microsoft and Nokia's-MS-tied technologies' information - you can find that the last news is on probable Nokia's adaptation of Android. >>>> >>>> Fair enough. I thought you were posting a 'current state of Windows 8 / Phone 8' (of which I'm sceptical, as you can tell). >>>> >>>>> the move to Android (using MonoDroid) and iPhone (MonoTouch) promise to be natural as I have read from some of the tech. books. Of course it would be better to use native Android and iPhone dev. tools but that would be the next step. >>>> >>>> So, Apple is now allowing applications built in MonoTouch? Interesting. Didn't realise this was happening. >>>> >>>> >>>> - Hans >>>> >>>> <<< skipped >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> dba-Tech mailing list >>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From mcp2004 at mail.ru Fri Jan 11 18:40:04 2013 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2013 04:40:04 +0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?FYI=3A_=22Microsoft_may_still_win_the_tablet?= =?utf-8?q?_war=22_and_other_mobile_market_news_directly_related_to_MS_tec?= =?utf-8?b?aG5vbG9naWVzLi4u?= In-Reply-To: References: <1357898532.875555760@f219.mail.ru> <1357944183.768155684@f390.i.mail.ru> Message-ID: <1357951204.755467928@f354.mail.ru> They used IronPython and IronRuby just as R&D tools while implementing .NET DLR and new dynamic features of C# and VB.NET? http://blogs.msdn.com/b/jasonz/archive/2010/10/21/new-components-and-contributors-for-ironpython-and-ironruby.aspx <<< The IronPython and IronRuby projects began as an effort to improve support for dynamic languages in the .NET Framework and to diversify our portfolio of programming languages. These language projects have helped thousands of people since they began, and they have added value to the .NET Framework. They helped create the Dynamic Language Runtime in the .NET Framework 4, on which we have also built C#'s new 'dynamic' keyword and improved Visual Basic's late-binding support. We?ll continue to invest in making the .NET Framework a great runtime environment for dynamic languages going forward. >>> -- Shamil ???????, 11 ?????? 2013, 16:21 -08:00 ?? Hans-Christian Andersen : >Why did Microsoft pull their support, I wonder? > >Best regards, >Hans-Christian Andersen > ><<< skipped >>> From hans.andersen at phulse.com Fri Jan 11 19:14:14 2013 From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 17:14:14 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] FYI: "Microsoft may still win the tablet war" and other mobile market news directly related to MS technologies... In-Reply-To: <1357951204.755467928@f354.mail.ru> References: <1357898532.875555760@f219.mail.ru> <1357944183.768155684@f390.i.mail.ru> <1357951204.755467928@f354.mail.ru> Message-ID: <06E55D40-E32C-4A99-BF27-0341CCA63523@phulse.com> That still doesn't really answer the question as to why Microsoft pulled their support, but I can only imagine it's because some person up the ranks decided to axe the project, because he/she didn't understand the point of it. - Hans On 2013-01-11, at 4:40 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote: > They used IronPython and IronRuby just as R&D tools while implementing .NET DLR and new dynamic features of C# and VB.NET? > > http://blogs.msdn.com/b/jasonz/archive/2010/10/21/new-components-and-contributors-for-ironpython-and-ironruby.aspx > > <<< > The IronPython and IronRuby projects began as an effort to improve support for dynamic languages in the .NET Framework and to diversify our portfolio of programming languages. These language projects have helped thousands of people since they began, and they have added value to the .NET Framework. They helped create the Dynamic Language Runtime in the .NET Framework 4, on which we have also built C#'s new 'dynamic' keyword and improved Visual Basic's late-binding support. We?ll continue to invest in making the .NET Framework a great runtime environment for dynamic languages going forward. >>>> > > -- Shamil > > ???????, 11 ?????? 2013, 16:21 -08:00 ?? Hans-Christian Andersen : >> Why did Microsoft pull their support, I wonder? >> >> Best regards, >> Hans-Christian Andersen >> >> <<< skipped >>> > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From mcp2004 at mail.ru Sat Jan 12 03:29:27 2013 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2013 13:29:27 +0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?FYI=3A_=22Microsoft_may_still_win_the_tablet?= =?utf-8?q?_war=22_and_other_mobile_market_news_directly_related_to_MS_tec?= =?utf-8?b?aG5vbG9naWVzLi4u?= In-Reply-To: <06E55D40-E32C-4A99-BF27-0341CCA63523@phulse.com> References: <1357898532.875555760@f219.mail.ru> <1357951204.755467928@f354.mail.ru> <06E55D40-E32C-4A99-BF27-0341CCA63523@phulse.com> Message-ID: <1357982967.251664897@f181.mail.ru> Hans -- May I suppose it does? C# 5.0 + T4 Templates ( http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb126445.aspx ) + other .NET/C# dev. tools and libs seems to be a superset of Python features, dev. tools and libs (even django features/APIs are covered by that C# superset?). Microsoft used IronPython R&D project (as they state in quote I have provided in my prev. posting) to get C# 4 (C# 5) at that "superset" level and so they do not see now any business reasons to continue directly financing IronPython further development. -- Shamil ???????, 11 ?????? 2013, 17:14 -08:00 ?? Hans-Christian Andersen : >That still doesn't really answer the question as to why Microsoft pulled their support, but I can only imagine it's because some person up the ranks decided to axe the project, because he/she didn't understand the point of it. > >- Hans > > >On 2013-01-11, at 4:40 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil < mcp2004 at mail.ru > wrote: > >> They used IronPython and IronRuby just as R&D tools while implementing .NET DLR and new dynamic features of C# and VB.NET? >> >> http://blogs.msdn.com/b/jasonz/archive/2010/10/21/new-components-and-contributors-for-ironpython-and-ironruby.aspx >> >> <<< >> The IronPython and IronRuby projects began as an effort to improve support for dynamic languages in the .NET Framework and to diversify our portfolio of programming languages. These language projects have helped thousands of people since they began, and they have added value to the .NET Framework. They helped create the Dynamic Language Runtime in the .NET Framework 4, on which we have also built C#'s new 'dynamic' keyword and improved Visual Basic's late-binding support. We?ll continue to invest in making the .NET Framework a great runtime environment for dynamic languages going forward. >>>>> >> >> -- Shamil >> >> ???????, 11 ?????? 2013, 16:21 -08:00 ?? Hans-Christian Andersen < hans.andersen at phulse.com >: >>> Why did Microsoft pull their support, I wonder? >>> >>> Best regards, >>> Hans-Christian Andersen >>> >>> <<< skipped >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From hans.andersen at phulse.com Sat Jan 12 12:56:12 2013 From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2013 10:56:12 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] FYI: "Microsoft may still win the tablet war" and other mobile market news directly related to MS technologies... In-Reply-To: <1357982967.251664897@f181.mail.ru> References: <1357898532.875555760@f219.mail.ru> <1357951204.755467928@f354.mail.ru> <06E55D40-E32C-4A99-BF27-0341CCA63523@phulse.com> <1357982967.251664897@f181.mail.ru> Message-ID: <98277CFA-AB25-46A2-A642-36B285DEB97C@phulse.com> That's a shame for the IronPython/Ruby folks. - Hans On 2013-01-12, at 1:29 AM, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote: > Hans -- > > May I suppose it does? C# 5.0 + T4 Templates ( http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb126445.aspx ) + other .NET/C# dev. tools and libs seems to be a superset of Python features, dev. tools and libs (even django features/APIs are covered by that C# superset?). Microsoft used IronPython R&D project (as they state in quote I have provided in my prev. posting) to get C# 4 (C# 5) at that "superset" level and so they do not see now any business reasons to continue directly financing IronPython further development. > > -- Shamil > > > ???????, 11 ?????? 2013, 17:14 -08:00 ?? Hans-Christian Andersen : >> That still doesn't really answer the question as to why Microsoft pulled their support, but I can only imagine it's because some person up the ranks decided to axe the project, because he/she didn't understand the point of it. >> >> - Hans >> >> >> On 2013-01-11, at 4:40 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil < mcp2004 at mail.ru > wrote: >> >>> They used IronPython and IronRuby just as R&D tools while implementing .NET DLR and new dynamic features of C# and VB.NET? >>> >>> http://blogs.msdn.com/b/jasonz/archive/2010/10/21/new-components-and-contributors-for-ironpython-and-ironruby.aspx >>> >>> <<< >>> The IronPython and IronRuby projects began as an effort to improve support for dynamic languages in the .NET Framework and to diversify our portfolio of programming languages. These language projects have helped thousands of people since they began, and they have added value to the .NET Framework. They helped create the Dynamic Language Runtime in the .NET Framework 4, on which we have also built C#'s new 'dynamic' keyword and improved Visual Basic's late-binding support. We?ll continue to invest in making the .NET Framework a great runtime environment for dynamic languages going forward. >>>>>> >>> >>> -- Shamil >>> >>> ???????, 11 ?????? 2013, 16:21 -08:00 ?? Hans-Christian Andersen < hans.andersen at phulse.com >: >>>> Why did Microsoft pull their support, I wonder? >>>> >>>> Best regards, >>>> Hans-Christian Andersen >>>> >>>> <<< skipped >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> dba-Tech mailing list >>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sun Jan 13 07:10:49 2013 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2013 08:10:49 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] 2.0 v. 2.1 PC speakers Message-ID: I have Googled this topic and found some articles and reviews comparing the two speaker types, but haven't found a definition that distinguishes them. Reading between the lines, I sense that 2.1 has to do with boosted bass, to maximize the effect of explosions in games. Is there a more precise definition? Since I play no video games and since my musical preferences tend toward classical music, I'm more interested in accuracy and especially in retention of the high-frequency harmonics typical of violins than in boosted bass. I've read good things about M-Audio Studiophile AV 40 speakers, and they are in my price range. Any comments? Suggestions for alternatives? Thanks, Arthur From jon at tydda.plus.com Sun Jan 13 07:29:08 2013 From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2013 13:29:08 -0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] 2.0 v. 2.1 PC speakers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000f01cdf191$f7f96100$e7ec2300$@tydda.plus.com> When you have speakers described as N.1 it just means that you've got N smaller speakers, and one subwoofer to provide bass. Not just for explosions in games, it makes music and voice sound a lot less tinny too. Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: 13 January 2013 13:11 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] 2.0 v. 2.1 PC speakers I have Googled this topic and found some articles and reviews comparing the two speaker types, but haven't found a definition that distinguishes them. Reading between the lines, I sense that 2.1 has to do with boosted bass, to maximize the effect of explosions in games. Is there a more precise definition? Since I play no video games and since my musical preferences tend toward classical music, I'm more interested in accuracy and especially in retention of the high-frequency harmonics typical of violins than in boosted bass. I've read good things about M-Audio Studiophile AV 40 speakers, and they are in my price range. Any comments? Suggestions for alternatives? Thanks, Arthur _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sun Jan 13 08:04:40 2013 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2013 09:04:40 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] 2.0 v. 2.1 PC speakers In-Reply-To: <000f01cdf191$f7f96100$e7ec2300$@tydda.plus.com> References: <000f01cdf191$f7f96100$e7ec2300$@tydda.plus.com> Message-ID: Thanks! A. From peter.brawley at earthlink.net Sun Jan 13 09:37:53 2013 From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2013 09:37:53 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] 2.0 v. 2.1 PC speakers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <50F2D4D1.9070808@earthlink.net> Amplifiers in PC sound cards aren't very good. You're way better off buying a small decent audio receiver to take PC audio output, then buying good bookshelf speakers eg Sony B3000s. PB ------- On 2013-01-13 7:10 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > I have Googled this topic and found some articles and reviews comparing the > two speaker types, but haven't found a definition that distinguishes them. > Reading between the lines, I sense that 2.1 has to do with boosted bass, to > maximize the effect of explosions in games. Is there a more precise > definition? > > Since I play no video games and since my musical preferences tend toward > classical music, I'm more interested in accuracy and especially in > retention of the high-frequency harmonics typical of violins than in > boosted bass. > > I've read good things about M-Audio Studiophile AV 40 speakers, and they > are in my price range. Any comments? Suggestions for alternatives? > > Thanks, > Arthur > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sun Jan 13 09:49:44 2013 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2013 10:49:44 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] 2.0 v. 2.1 PC speakers In-Reply-To: <50F2D4D1.9070808@earthlink.net> References: <50F2D4D1.9070808@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Ok, that's what I'll plan. Incidentally, I have a new problem for you, taken from the book I'm reading. Assume that our two baseball teams are playing in the World Series. Assume further that our teams are of equal skill. What is the probability that your team will win the series if I win the first game? I think I'll post this problem in the Hardware and Software issues forum, and see what others come up with, too. A. From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sun Jan 13 09:51:20 2013 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2013 10:51:20 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: World Series Baseball problem Message-ID: Assume that our two baseball teams are playing in the World Series. Assume further that our teams are of equal skill. What is the probability that your team will win the series if I win the first game? (It took me a while, but I did finally calculate the answer.) Arthur From peter.brawley at earthlink.net Sun Jan 13 11:15:31 2013 From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2013 11:15:31 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] 2.0 v. 2.1 PC speakers In-Reply-To: References: <50F2D4D1.9070808@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <50F2EBB3.8050509@earthlink.net> On 2013-01-13 9:49 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > Ok, that's what I'll plan. > > Incidentally, I have a new problem for you, taken from the book I'm > reading. Assume that our two baseball teams are playing in the World > Series. Assume further that our teams are of equal skill. What is the > probability that your team will win the series if I win the first game? > > I think I'll post this problem in the Hardware and Software issues forum, > and see what others come up with, too. Not an a priori problem. Depends on each team's home-away split; on their home-away results against each other, if any; on which pitcher you beat in the first game, &c. P. > > A. > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From accessd at shaw.ca Sun Jan 13 14:01:12 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2013 12:01:12 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] 2.0 v. 2.1 PC speakers In-Reply-To: <50F2D4D1.9070808@earthlink.net> References: <50F2D4D1.9070808@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <8DE3C040386B4575803FC81356943780@creativesystemdesigns.com> Good thought. There is no way, no matter how good a PC/Tablet audio system is that can ever come close to quality and accuracy of a good audio system. The bad news is, that after the age of sixteen, humans hearing ability slowly depreciates and the depreciation continues for rest of your life. That loss is particular pronounced in an lack of ability to separate sounds and sources like in a crowd or in when listening to complex musical pieces with many instruments. Regardless, here is a list of what the experts suggest is the top audio systems, for an entertainment room, of 2012. Some even boast of being able to enhance the sound separation and direction so much of the hearing loss can be compensated for. http://www.trustedreviews.com/best-surround-sound-systems_round-up The following two items gained a perfect score. http://www.trustedreviews.com/best-surround-sound-systems_round-up_Page-3 http://www.trustedreviews.com/best-surround-sound-systems_round-up_Page-9 The best of these listed systems run between 800 and 1200 CAN dollars but they are hardly top tier of this type of product...The other day, in an audiofile store, looked at just an amp, with no pre-amp and it cost almost 10K but it boasted of being able to produce real (like) 3D sound and being able to automatically reconfigure it output to compensate for virtually an room configuration, in real time...frequency from zero to 100K. It makes the sound quality produced by any iPhone, iPad, Tablet, Smartphone, or PC seem pathetic. For my money, when possible, a live performance, with all its flaws and weak location acoustics is hard to beat. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Peter Brawley Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2013 7:38 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] 2.0 v. 2.1 PC speakers Amplifiers in PC sound cards aren't very good. You're way better off buying a small decent audio receiver to take PC audio output, then buying good bookshelf speakers eg Sony B3000s. PB ------- On 2013-01-13 7:10 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > I have Googled this topic and found some articles and reviews comparing the > two speaker types, but haven't found a definition that distinguishes them. > Reading between the lines, I sense that 2.1 has to do with boosted bass, to > maximize the effect of explosions in games. Is there a more precise > definition? > > Since I play no video games and since my musical preferences tend toward > classical music, I'm more interested in accuracy and especially in > retention of the high-frequency harmonics typical of violins than in > boosted bass. > > I've read good things about M-Audio Studiophile AV 40 speakers, and they > are in my price range. Any comments? Suggestions for alternatives? > > Thanks, > Arthur > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sun Jan 13 15:03:19 2013 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2013 16:03:19 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] 2.0 v. 2.1 PC speakers In-Reply-To: <8DE3C040386B4575803FC81356943780@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <50F2D4D1.9070808@earthlink.net> <8DE3C040386B4575803FC81356943780@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: While I cannot argue with that, I have priced having a symphonic orchestra over for a private function and 10K is cheap by comparison LOL. A, From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Sun Jan 13 17:15:04 2013 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 09:15:04 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] 2.0 v. 2.1 PC speakers In-Reply-To: References: , <50F2D4D1.9070808@earthlink.net>, Message-ID: <50F33FF8.28370.EC68B60F@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Not reading Warren Weavers "Lady Luck" are you? -- Stuart On 13 Jan 2013 at 10:49, Arthur Fuller wrote: > Ok, that's what I'll plan. > > Incidentally, I have a new problem for you, taken from the book I'm > reading. Assume that our two baseball teams are playing in the World > Series. Assume further that our teams are of equal skill. What is the > probability that your team will win the series if I win the first game? > > I think I'll post this problem in the Hardware and Software issues forum, > and see what others come up with, too. > > A. > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From accessd at shaw.ca Sun Jan 13 17:25:47 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2013 15:25:47 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] 2.0 v. 2.1 PC speakers In-Reply-To: References: <50F2D4D1.9070808@earthlink.net><8DE3C040386B4575803FC81356943780@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <9CB5A11AA42A45C2B0120132EB1AE8AB@creativesystemdesigns.com> Ha ha ha... ;-) We try, with our limited retirement budget to go to as many live events as that affords. Those artist, probably the most devoted and poorest paid people in our communities sure need our support...but a good stereo will do in-between events. I am in the process of moving all our media from family photos, slides, VHS, old record albums, CDs, HDS tapes, DVDs to my servers and then the rest can be set aside for inheritance, archived or sold. (prices for 3TB hard drives are running as cheap as $100 which makes this all possible.) Also if someone is planning to write their life-story this will be an invaluable reference: My aunt released a small book on her family history and which should be called "My first eighty years". ;-) I think it would make a great ebook, at least for the family. Choosing the best possible encryption schemes and hardware solutions now becomes so important as what ever is lost can never be recovered. Any insights on the best methods to accomplish these transitions would be greatly appreciated. Example: Photographing old photos, setting the white balance, using the lowest F stop, medium telephoto-lens, bounced lighting, timed-bracketed shots, with a digital camera on a tripod and sorting the results through the latest Photoshop, produces far better results than any scanner I am aware of. Has anyone found a good method for recording slides? Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2013 1:03 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] 2.0 v. 2.1 PC speakers While I cannot argue with that, I have priced having a symphonic orchestra over for a private function and 10K is cheap by comparison LOL. A, _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Sun Jan 13 17:25:27 2013 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 09:25:27 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] 2.0 v. 2.1 PC speakers In-Reply-To: <8DE3C040386B4575803FC81356943780@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: , <50F2D4D1.9070808@earthlink.net>, <8DE3C040386B4575803FC81356943780@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <50F34267.14824.EC723701@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Unless you are communicating with elephants and bats, does that have any real advantage? And how do you generate a frequency zero sound ? :-) On 13 Jan 2013 at 12:01, Jim Lawrence wrote: > able to automatically reconfigure it output to compensate for virtually an > room configuration, in real time...frequency from zero to 100K. From accessd at shaw.ca Sun Jan 13 17:30:51 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2013 15:30:51 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] 2.0 v. 2.1 PC speakers In-Reply-To: <50F34267.14824.EC723701@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: , <50F2D4D1.9070808@earthlink.net>, <8DE3C040386B4575803FC81356943780@creativesystemdesigns.com> <50F34267.14824.EC723701@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <58D2842DB9F44288A80C5DE186C46FD5@creativesystemdesigns.com> Absolutely none; except the theory is that if the product can easily met those limits, its quality within our limited hearing range should be unsurpassed. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2013 3:25 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] 2.0 v. 2.1 PC speakers Unless you are communicating with elephants and bats, does that have any real advantage? And how do you generate a frequency zero sound ? :-) On 13 Jan 2013 at 12:01, Jim Lawrence wrote: > able to automatically reconfigure it output to compensate for virtually an > room configuration, in real time...frequency from zero to 100K. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Sun Jan 13 22:48:47 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2013 20:48:47 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] PCs are here to stay In-Reply-To: <58D2842DB9F44288A80C5DE186C46FD5@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: , <50F2D4D1.9070808@earthlink.net>, <8DE3C040386B4575803FC81356943780@creativesystemdesigns.com><50F34267.14824.EC723701@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <58D2842DB9F44288A80C5DE186C46FD5@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: One major factoid in amongst all the hype about the ever expanding Tablet and Smartphone market is the PC market is remaining absolutely stable. Just because its popularity is dropping in comparison to other growing products does not mean it sales are dropping; it is just that other products sales are growing and more users are coming to the market. What is happening is that PC sales are still in the millions. With Windows basically abandoning the PC, by either demanding users move to Windows 8 and by stopping the sales of Windows 7, it has left a big vacuum in Operating Systems. Because of this Linux has seen remarkable growth in adoption. Today, I spoke with a fellow who had the pleasure and took the risk of allowing Ubuntu Linux 12.4, on half his network. He now wants me to have a talk with two more of his business friends about various Linux options, maybe sometime next week. These sites may seem small but put together with thousands of non-aligned techs through out the country the impact will be substantial... ...And the truth is, once people step over into the Linux world, find it is all they need, enjoy the price and the rock-solid stability, they are unlikely to come back for anything less. Windows has done the Linux world a wonderful service and they deserve a hardy thank you. Jim From accessd at shaw.ca Sun Jan 13 23:03:09 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2013 21:03:09 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] For all those with Android Smartphones In-Reply-To: <58D2842DB9F44288A80C5DE186C46FD5@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: , <50F2D4D1.9070808@earthlink.net>, <8DE3C040386B4575803FC81356943780@creativesystemdesigns.com><50F34267.14824.EC723701@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <58D2842DB9F44288A80C5DE186C46FD5@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <73EA5FD12E044D6FB0EB3473916D6168@creativesystemdesigns.com> There is a new free apps that will allow you to log your Android phone into your network and then work with it through a full screen browser window. http://www.airdroid.com/ Check it out. Jim From hans.andersen at phulse.com Mon Jan 14 00:53:11 2013 From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2013 22:53:11 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] PCs are here to stay In-Reply-To: References: <50F2D4D1.9070808@earthlink.net> <8DE3C040386B4575803FC81356943780@creativesystemdesigns.com> <50F34267.14824.EC723701@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <58D2842DB9F44288A80C5DE186C46FD5@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: Thank you, Microsoft. On another note, you should mention to your fellow that Samba 4.0 can now replace a windows active directory server altogether. Not only that, but if you have multiple Samba servers, they can figure out when talking to each other that they are Linux Samba servers and automatically switch to much faster file transfer speeds, because Samba does it better than Windows servers. :) Best regards, Hans-Christian Andersen On 13 Jan 2013, at 20:48, "Jim Lawrence" wrote: > One major factoid in amongst all the hype about the ever expanding Tablet > and Smartphone market is the PC market is remaining absolutely stable. > > Just because its popularity is dropping in comparison to other growing > products does not mean it sales are dropping; it is just that other products > sales are growing and more users are coming to the market. What is happening > is that PC sales are still in the millions. > > With Windows basically abandoning the PC, by either demanding users move to > Windows 8 and by stopping the sales of Windows 7, it has left a big vacuum > in Operating Systems. Because of this Linux has seen remarkable growth in > adoption. > > Today, I spoke with a fellow who had the pleasure and took the risk of > allowing Ubuntu Linux 12.4, on half his network. He now wants me to have a > talk with two more of his business friends about various Linux options, > maybe sometime next week. These sites may seem small but put together with > thousands of non-aligned techs through out the country the impact will be > substantial... > > ...And the truth is, once people step over into the Linux world, find it is > all they need, enjoy the price and the rock-solid stability, they are > unlikely to come back for anything less. Windows has done the Linux world a > wonderful service and they deserve a hardy thank you. > > Jim > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From mcp2004 at mail.ru Mon Jan 14 04:13:03 2013 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 14:13:03 +0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?PCs_are_here_to_stay?= In-Reply-To: References: <58D2842DB9F44288A80C5DE186C46FD5@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <1358158383.173752235@f217.mail.ru> Hi Jim -- Thank you for your notice. <<< Because of this Linux has seen remarkable growth in? adoption. >>> But how remarkable that growth is? - percent of Linux vs. Windows 8 installed on the new PCs sold worldwide in the fall of the year 2012? Thank you. -- Shamil ???????????, 13 ?????? 2013, 20:48 -08:00 ?? "Jim Lawrence" : >One major factoid in amongst all the hype about the ever expanding Tablet >and Smartphone market is the PC market is remaining absolutely stable. > >Just because its popularity is dropping in comparison to other growing >products does not mean it sales are dropping; it is just that other products >sales are growing and more users are coming to the market. What is happening >is that PC sales are still in the millions. > >With Windows basically abandoning the PC, by either demanding users move to >Windows 8 and by stopping the sales of Windows 7, it has left a big vacuum >in Operating Systems. Because of this Linux has seen remarkable growth in >adoption. > >Today, I spoke with a fellow who had the pleasure and took the risk of >allowing Ubuntu Linux 12.4, on half his network. He now wants me to have a >talk with two more of his business friends about various Linux options, >maybe sometime next week. These sites may seem small but put together with >thousands of non-aligned techs through out the country the impact will be >substantial... > >...And the truth is, once people step over into the Linux world, find it is >all they need, enjoy the price and the rock-solid stability, they are >unlikely to come back for anything less. Windows has done the Linux world a >wonderful service and they deserve a hardy thank you. > >Jim > >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Mon Jan 14 10:13:33 2013 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 11:13:33 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] 1000-year DVD Message-ID: There's a piece on ZDNet about this new type of DVD that is purported to last for 1000 years. It uses a new technology that uses an inorganic mineral layer to store the data, and it actually burns a hole in the layer, so it won't change over time. The company is called MDisc. Not all current burners support it, but according to the story, current burners from LG do support it. The cost is about three dollars a disc. There does remain the problem of the MTBF on DVD players, but I'm sure somebody will solve that. Blu-Ray equivalents are promised for this summer. -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. -- Niels Bohr From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Jan 14 15:16:44 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 13:16:44 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] PCs are here to stay In-Reply-To: <1358158383.173752235@f217.mail.ru> References: <58D2842DB9F44288A80C5DE186C46FD5@creativesystemdesigns.com> <1358158383.173752235@f217.mail.ru> Message-ID: Good point. Considering the Linux has been the private preserve of real tech heads, for years, it now so completely dominates the Server market and almost 100 percent of the super-computer market. All the growth has happened without the help of an advertisers and marketers of any kind. Microsoft has had the benefit of a huge marketing team. Their costs of advertising is millions a day and having hardware manufactures signed to contracts that obligates them to install Windows on all their computers has been a very successful formula. Given this scenario I would expect Windows to be well ahead. I am a tech contractor and though much of my now limited work is in Windows PCs, I am also responsible to give my clients all the options that are available them, without prejudice. I am not cheering for Microsoft, Apple, Google or Linux. I am definitely not part of a Fanboz club, for any product and if one product gives the client what they need at the price they can afford, so be it. As for the Linux growth market, small though it may be, it has shown growth of over 64 percent in nine months...more than any other OS. Below is an interesting link: http://www.zdnet.com/amazons-top-selling-laptop-doesnt-run-windows-or-mac-os -it-runs-linux-7000009433/ As a business person, if I did not take advantage of the vacuum caused by Windows 8, I would be seriously remiss. Our jobs are not to sell products but to sell solutions whether it is our personal preference or not. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov Shamil Sent: Monday, January 14, 2013 2:13 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] PCs are here to stay Hi Jim -- Thank you for your notice. <<< Because of this Linux has seen remarkable growth in? adoption. >>> But how remarkable that growth is? - percent of Linux vs. Windows 8 installed on the new PCs sold worldwide in the fall of the year 2012? Thank you. -- Shamil ???????????, 13 ?????? 2013, 20:48 -08:00 ?? "Jim Lawrence" : >One major factoid in amongst all the hype about the ever expanding Tablet >and Smartphone market is the PC market is remaining absolutely stable. > >Just because its popularity is dropping in comparison to other growing >products does not mean it sales are dropping; it is just that other products >sales are growing and more users are coming to the market. What is happening >is that PC sales are still in the millions. > >With Windows basically abandoning the PC, by either demanding users move to >Windows 8 and by stopping the sales of Windows 7, it has left a big vacuum >in Operating Systems. Because of this Linux has seen remarkable growth in >adoption. > >Today, I spoke with a fellow who had the pleasure and took the risk of >allowing Ubuntu Linux 12.4, on half his network. He now wants me to have a >talk with two more of his business friends about various Linux options, >maybe sometime next week. These sites may seem small but put together with >thousands of non-aligned techs through out the country the impact will be >substantial... > >...And the truth is, once people step over into the Linux world, find it is >all they need, enjoy the price and the rock-solid stability, they are >unlikely to come back for anything less. Windows has done the Linux world a >wonderful service and they deserve a hardy thank you. > >Jim From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Jan 14 15:20:55 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 13:20:55 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] 1000-year DVD In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <424D77D4C18F453F8C4232C3A594D404@creativesystemdesigns.com> Blue Ray or bigger, much bigger would be great. I now have over 2.5 TB of data and I am sure it will double or even triple. Can you estimate how many High Definition DVDs would be needed to create a permanent archive? Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Monday, January 14, 2013 8:14 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] 1000-year DVD There's a piece on ZDNet about this new type of DVD that is purported to last for 1000 years. It uses a new technology that uses an inorganic mineral layer to store the data, and it actually burns a hole in the layer, so it won't change over time. The company is called MDisc. Not all current burners support it, but according to the story, current burners from LG do support it. The cost is about three dollars a disc. There does remain the problem of the MTBF on DVD players, but I'm sure somebody will solve that. Blu-Ray equivalents are promised for this summer. -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. -- Niels Bohr _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From hans.andersen at phulse.com Mon Jan 14 15:47:43 2013 From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 13:47:43 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] PCs are here to stay In-Reply-To: References: <58D2842DB9F44288A80C5DE186C46FD5@creativesystemdesigns.com> <1358158383.173752235@f217.mail.ru> Message-ID: <089FDCBF-1A25-4F36-96BD-C58FE7C1E19C@phulse.com> I guess Microsofts anti-Linux "Total Cost of Ownership" marketing campaign they've been running for years wasn't all that much of a success! - Hans On 2013-01-14, at 1:16 PM, "Jim Lawrence" wrote: > Good point. > > Considering the Linux has been the private preserve of real tech heads, for > years, it now so completely dominates the Server market and almost 100 > percent of the super-computer market. All the growth has happened without > the help of an advertisers and marketers of any kind. > > Microsoft has had the benefit of a huge marketing team. Their costs of > advertising is millions a day and having hardware manufactures signed to > contracts that obligates them to install Windows on all their computers has > been a very successful formula. Given this scenario I would expect Windows > to be well ahead. > > I am a tech contractor and though much of my now limited work is in Windows > PCs, I am also responsible to give my clients all the options that are > available them, without prejudice. I am not cheering for Microsoft, Apple, > Google or Linux. I am definitely not part of a Fanboz club, for any product > and if one product gives the client what they need at the price they can > afford, so be it. > > As for the Linux growth market, small though it may be, it has shown growth > of over 64 percent in nine months...more than any other OS. Below is an > interesting link: > > http://www.zdnet.com/amazons-top-selling-laptop-doesnt-run-windows-or-mac-os > -it-runs-linux-7000009433/ > > As a business person, if I did not take advantage of the vacuum caused by > Windows 8, I would be seriously remiss. Our jobs are not to sell products > but to sell solutions whether it is our personal preference or not. > > Jim > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov > Shamil > Sent: Monday, January 14, 2013 2:13 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] PCs are here to stay > > Hi Jim -- > > Thank you for your notice. > > <<< > Because of this Linux has seen remarkable growth in adoption. > But how remarkable that growth is? - percent of Linux vs. Windows 8 > installed on the new PCs sold worldwide in the fall of the year 2012? > > Thank you. > > -- Shamil > > > ???????????, 13 ?????? 2013, 20:48 -08:00 ?? "Jim Lawrence" > : >> One major factoid in amongst all the hype about the ever expanding Tablet >> and Smartphone market is the PC market is remaining absolutely stable. >> >> Just because its popularity is dropping in comparison to other growing >> products does not mean it sales are dropping; it is just that other > products >> sales are growing and more users are coming to the market. What is > happening >> is that PC sales are still in the millions. >> >> With Windows basically abandoning the PC, by either demanding users move to >> Windows 8 and by stopping the sales of Windows 7, it has left a big vacuum >> in Operating Systems. Because of this Linux has seen remarkable growth in >> adoption. >> >> Today, I spoke with a fellow who had the pleasure and took the risk of >> allowing Ubuntu Linux 12.4, on half his network. He now wants me to have a >> talk with two more of his business friends about various Linux options, >> maybe sometime next week. These sites may seem small but put together with >> thousands of non-aligned techs through out the country the impact will be >> substantial... >> >> ...And the truth is, once people step over into the Linux world, find it is >> all they need, enjoy the price and the rock-solid stability, they are >> unlikely to come back for anything less. Windows has done the Linux world a >> wonderful service and they deserve a hardy thank you. >> >> Jim > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Mon Jan 14 15:48:26 2013 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 16:48:26 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] 1000-year DVD In-Reply-To: <424D77D4C18F453F8C4232C3A594D404@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <424D77D4C18F453F8C4232C3A594D404@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: The company has promised Blu-Rays for commercial delivery by summer. But even then, it's going to take about 50 discs for you. I have no idea how much a Blu-Ray burner is, either. None of the stores local to me even have one in stock. A. From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Mon Jan 14 15:50:25 2013 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2013 07:50:25 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] PCs are here to stay In-Reply-To: References: , <1358158383.173752235@f217.mail.ru>, Message-ID: <50F47DA1.32613.3ADB0DA@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Obligatory XKCD reference: http://xkcd.com/1102/ :-) On 14 Jan 2013 at 13:16, Jim Lawrence wrote: > As for the Linux growth market, small though it may be, it has shown growth > of over 64 percent in nine months...more than any other OS. Below is an > interesting link: > From fuller.artful at gmail.com Mon Jan 14 17:27:40 2013 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 18:27:40 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] PCs are here to stay In-Reply-To: <50F47DA1.32613.3ADB0DA@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <1358158383.173752235@f217.mail.ru> <50F47DA1.32613.3ADB0DA@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: Reminds me of an old joke told by economists. A man is lying on a chair, his feet in the oven and his head in the freezer. Asked how he feels, he replies, "On average, just fine." A. On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 4:50 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote: > Obligatory XKCD reference: > > http://xkcd.com/1102/ > > :-) > > From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Jan 14 17:39:01 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 15:39:01 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] PCs are here to stay In-Reply-To: <089FDCBF-1A25-4F36-96BD-C58FE7C1E19C@phulse.com> References: <58D2842DB9F44288A80C5DE186C46FD5@creativesystemdesigns.com><1358158383.173752235@f217.mail.ru> <089FDCBF-1A25-4F36-96BD-C58FE7C1E19C@phulse.com> Message-ID: <8CDDAC31E1B34E23BC89C8C27CF3DD63@creativesystemdesigns.com> Joe average user would totally bulk when they realized they would have to do hundreds of lines of command prompt code. Many years ago when setting up SCO UNIX terminal sites it would take the better part of a week to get a network site up and running. Most of the setup scripts were carefully assembled, saved on disks and downloaded onto the servers of the new sites. Those scripts were extremely valuable and would take a good tech a numbers of installs to get hang of and to be able to save these. One set of manuals was over two feet long and required a good knowledge of most of the contents to be competent. Even then I would watch many of the best techs crawling through manuals or on the phone, sometimes for hours, trying to crack some tough network issue...and then there was a steady stream of addendums and updates coming through the mail. I remember having an install at home that I would setup, configure, test, reformat and do it again and again until an install could be done fast and more effective. I took a month worth of lab training and then I wrote exams to become a certified SCO Unix installer and reseller. I was one of eight that passed of the original 25 that started the courses. In 1995, I installed my first Microsoft NT (LAN Server) server and two of us connected over 50 users and multiple printers in one day....no instructions or manuals, just winged it. TCO was a fact then. Linux was like a breathe of fresh air compared to Unix even though the original versions took a while to get up and running as every Video, Sound and LAN cards would have to have all their addresses and IRQs manually entered. For a short-cut it was easier to interrogate the cards on a Windows box, write down their parameters and re-enter them when starting up Linux. In those days, users were patient as a site may take the better part of a week. The whole TCO marketing was true. What was not mentioned is that UNIX/Linux ran faster, more reliably with less resources than any Windows system...and they still do. Today's Linux versions of Servers and Workstations are so much easier to install so the whole concept of TCO was done a decade ago. Maybe it is time for Linux to use TCO to market their products. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hans-Christian Andersen Sent: Monday, January 14, 2013 1:48 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] PCs are here to stay I guess Microsofts anti-Linux "Total Cost of Ownership" marketing campaign they've been running for years wasn't all that much of a success! - Hans On 2013-01-14, at 1:16 PM, "Jim Lawrence" wrote: > Good point. > > Considering the Linux has been the private preserve of real tech heads, for > years, it now so completely dominates the Server market and almost 100 > percent of the super-computer market. All the growth has happened without > the help of an advertisers and marketers of any kind. > > Microsoft has had the benefit of a huge marketing team. Their costs of > advertising is millions a day and having hardware manufactures signed to > contracts that obligates them to install Windows on all their computers has > been a very successful formula. Given this scenario I would expect Windows > to be well ahead. > > I am a tech contractor and though much of my now limited work is in Windows > PCs, I am also responsible to give my clients all the options that are > available them, without prejudice. I am not cheering for Microsoft, Apple, > Google or Linux. I am definitely not part of a Fanboz club, for any product > and if one product gives the client what they need at the price they can > afford, so be it. > > As for the Linux growth market, small though it may be, it has shown growth > of over 64 percent in nine months...more than any other OS. Below is an > interesting link: > > http://www.zdnet.com/amazons-top-selling-laptop-doesnt-run-windows-or-mac-os > -it-runs-linux-7000009433/ > > As a business person, if I did not take advantage of the vacuum caused by > Windows 8, I would be seriously remiss. Our jobs are not to sell products > but to sell solutions whether it is our personal preference or not. > > Jim > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov > Shamil > Sent: Monday, January 14, 2013 2:13 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] PCs are here to stay > > Hi Jim -- > > Thank you for your notice. > > <<< > Because of this Linux has seen remarkable growth in adoption. > But how remarkable that growth is? - percent of Linux vs. Windows 8 > installed on the new PCs sold worldwide in the fall of the year 2012? > > Thank you. > > -- Shamil > > > ???????????, 13 ?????? 2013, 20:48 -08:00 ?? "Jim Lawrence" > : >> One major factoid in amongst all the hype about the ever expanding Tablet >> and Smartphone market is the PC market is remaining absolutely stable. >> >> Just because its popularity is dropping in comparison to other growing >> products does not mean it sales are dropping; it is just that other > products >> sales are growing and more users are coming to the market. What is > happening >> is that PC sales are still in the millions. >> >> With Windows basically abandoning the PC, by either demanding users move to >> Windows 8 and by stopping the sales of Windows 7, it has left a big vacuum >> in Operating Systems. Because of this Linux has seen remarkable growth in >> adoption. >> >> Today, I spoke with a fellow who had the pleasure and took the risk of >> allowing Ubuntu Linux 12.4, on half his network. He now wants me to have a >> talk with two more of his business friends about various Linux options, >> maybe sometime next week. These sites may seem small but put together with >> thousands of non-aligned techs through out the country the impact will be >> substantial... >> >> ...And the truth is, once people step over into the Linux world, find it is >> all they need, enjoy the price and the rock-solid stability, they are >> unlikely to come back for anything less. Windows has done the Linux world a >> wonderful service and they deserve a hardy thank you. >> >> Jim > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From djkr at msn.com Mon Jan 14 18:27:38 2013 From: djkr at msn.com (DJK (John) Robinson) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2013 00:27:38 +0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] 1000-year DVD In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Arthur No Blu-Ray burners? I'm puzzled - have they gone out of fashion, or something? Mine's nearly five years old; I use rewritable BDs for my ultimate offline backup/archive. ... Just had a little look round - more recent BD formats include BDXL and up to quad layer, with storage of up to 128GB. Internal drives mostly cost around GBP60-70 in the UK. I'm way out of date with my 25GB BDREs! Although I don't really need to store stuff for even 100 years. But it would take only 20 of these high-capacity BDs to take 2.5TB John -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: 14 January 2013 21:48 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] 1000-year DVD The company has promised Blu-Rays for commercial delivery by summer. But even then, it's going to take about 50 discs for you. I have no idea how much a Blu-Ray burner is, either. None of the stores local to me even have one in stock. A. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From hans.andersen at phulse.com Mon Jan 14 18:55:58 2013 From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 16:55:58 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] PCs are here to stay In-Reply-To: <8CDDAC31E1B34E23BC89C8C27CF3DD63@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <58D2842DB9F44288A80C5DE186C46FD5@creativesystemdesigns.com> <1358158383.173752235@f217.mail.ru> <089FDCBF-1A25-4F36-96BD-C58FE7C1E19C@phulse.com> <8CDDAC31E1B34E23BC89C8C27CF3DD63@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <8F52F1AB-D2A1-4C36-915E-046F76E60534@phulse.com> Yep. Every OS has its ugly beginnings (ie. DOS), but, if memory serves me right, Microsoft didn't start their campaign against Linux until 2004 - albeit when Microsoft started to realise that Linux was a real threat to them and their growth in the server market share. I think Microsoft had assumed that they were in the position to acquire market share from ageing Unix servers and still was in the mindset that Linux was a toy operating system for enthusiasts. But all that changed when some heavy weights started throwing their girth behind Linux - notably IBM - and Microsoft did not (or could not?) appreciate the viral nature of a GPL licensed OS and the growing community behind it (such as myself, that were adamant to break free of a dependence on Microsoft for things even as basic as file servers (Samba) and web servers (Apache)). Even the internet boom was a factor, with the runaway success of the scripting language PHP and easy to deploy platforms such as Wordpress, contributed significantly to the growing dominance of Linux. Well, you could say it was the perfect storm and Linux ended up replacing those ageing UNIX systems and starving Microsoft of the chance to grow significantly. One might also argue that Microsofts exorbitant price for server licenses was the main factor and that's true to an extent, hence why Microsoft was forced to begin their FUD campaign against Linux on the TCO issue. But, it didn't seem to have much of an effect. Linux dominance is only increasing and the areas where Microsoft has a foothold are slowly becoming less relevant - hence why we are seeing Microsoft making radical (and questionable) changes to even their core product, Windows. - Hans On 2013-01-14, at 3:39 PM, "Jim Lawrence" wrote: > Joe average user would totally bulk when they realized they would have to do > hundreds of lines of command prompt code. > > Many years ago when setting up SCO UNIX terminal sites it would take the > better part of a week to get a network site up and running. Most of the > setup scripts were carefully assembled, saved on disks and downloaded onto > the servers of the new sites. Those scripts were extremely valuable and > would take a good tech a numbers of installs to get hang of and to be able > to save these. One set of manuals was over two feet long and required a good > knowledge of most of the contents to be competent. Even then I would watch > many of the best techs crawling through manuals or on the phone, sometimes > for hours, trying to crack some tough network issue...and then there was a > steady stream of addendums and updates coming through the mail. I remember > having an install at home that I would setup, configure, test, reformat and > do it again and again until an install could be done fast and more > effective. I took a month worth of lab training and then I wrote exams to > become a certified SCO Unix installer and reseller. I was one of eight that > passed of the original 25 that started the courses. > > In 1995, I installed my first Microsoft NT (LAN Server) server and two of us > connected over 50 users and multiple printers in one day....no instructions > or manuals, just winged it. TCO was a fact then. > > Linux was like a breathe of fresh air compared to Unix even though the > original versions took a while to get up and running as every Video, Sound > and LAN cards would have to have all their addresses and IRQs manually > entered. For a short-cut it was easier to interrogate the cards on a Windows > box, write down their parameters and re-enter them when starting up Linux. > In those days, users were patient as a site may take the better part of a > week. > > The whole TCO marketing was true. What was not mentioned is that UNIX/Linux > ran faster, more reliably with less resources than any Windows system...and > they still do. > > Today's Linux versions of Servers and Workstations are so much easier to > install so the whole concept of TCO was done a decade ago. Maybe it is time > for Linux to use TCO to market their products. > > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hans-Christian > Andersen > Sent: Monday, January 14, 2013 1:48 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] PCs are here to stay > > I guess Microsofts anti-Linux "Total Cost of Ownership" marketing campaign > they've been running for years wasn't all that much of a success! > > - Hans > > > On 2013-01-14, at 1:16 PM, "Jim Lawrence" wrote: > >> Good point. >> >> Considering the Linux has been the private preserve of real tech heads, > for >> years, it now so completely dominates the Server market and almost 100 >> percent of the super-computer market. All the growth has happened without >> the help of an advertisers and marketers of any kind. >> >> Microsoft has had the benefit of a huge marketing team. Their costs of >> advertising is millions a day and having hardware manufactures signed to >> contracts that obligates them to install Windows on all their computers > has >> been a very successful formula. Given this scenario I would expect Windows >> to be well ahead. >> >> I am a tech contractor and though much of my now limited work is in > Windows >> PCs, I am also responsible to give my clients all the options that are >> available them, without prejudice. I am not cheering for Microsoft, Apple, >> Google or Linux. I am definitely not part of a Fanboz club, for any > product >> and if one product gives the client what they need at the price they can >> afford, so be it. >> >> As for the Linux growth market, small though it may be, it has shown > growth >> of over 64 percent in nine months...more than any other OS. Below is an >> interesting link: > http://www.zdnet.com/amazons-top-selling-laptop-doesnt-run-windows-or-mac-os >> -it-runs-linux-7000009433/ >> >> As a business person, if I did not take advantage of the vacuum caused by >> Windows 8, I would be seriously remiss. Our jobs are not to sell products >> but to sell solutions whether it is our personal preference or not. >> >> Jim >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov >> Shamil >> Sent: Monday, January 14, 2013 2:13 AM >> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues >> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] PCs are here to stay >> >> Hi Jim -- >> >> Thank you for your notice. >> >> <<< >> Because of this Linux has seen remarkable growth in adoption. >> But how remarkable that growth is? - percent of Linux vs. Windows 8 >> installed on the new PCs sold worldwide in the fall of the year 2012? >> >> Thank you. >> >> -- Shamil >> >> >> ???????????, 13 ?????? 2013, 20:48 -08:00 ?? "Jim Lawrence" >> : >>> One major factoid in amongst all the hype about the ever expanding Tablet >>> and Smartphone market is the PC market is remaining absolutely stable. >>> >>> Just because its popularity is dropping in comparison to other growing >>> products does not mean it sales are dropping; it is just that other >> products >>> sales are growing and more users are coming to the market. What is >> happening >>> is that PC sales are still in the millions. >>> >>> With Windows basically abandoning the PC, by either demanding users move > to >>> Windows 8 and by stopping the sales of Windows 7, it has left a big > vacuum >>> in Operating Systems. Because of this Linux has seen remarkable growth in >>> adoption. >>> >>> Today, I spoke with a fellow who had the pleasure and took the risk of >>> allowing Ubuntu Linux 12.4, on half his network. He now wants me to have > a >>> talk with two more of his business friends about various Linux options, >>> maybe sometime next week. These sites may seem small but put together > with >>> thousands of non-aligned techs through out the country the impact will be >>> substantial... >>> >>> ...And the truth is, once people step over into the Linux world, find it > is >>> all they need, enjoy the price and the rock-solid stability, they are >>> unlikely to come back for anything less. Windows has done the Linux world > a >>> wonderful service and they deserve a hardy thank you. >>> >>> Jim >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From mcp2004 at mail.ru Mon Jan 14 19:08:13 2013 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2013 05:08:13 +0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?PCs_are_here_to_stay?= In-Reply-To: References: <1358158383.173752235@f217.mail.ru> Message-ID: <1358212093.817684577@f387.i.mail.ru> HI Jim -- OK, let's wait till the end of this year to see what will be the PC market OSes' usage figures. Another article from the same ZDNet magazine you referred (July 1, 2012) stated a while ago: http://www.zdnet.com/linux-in-the-enterprise-linux-on-the-desktop-7000000054/ " The reality is that Microsoft has a lock on the desktop. Last year, in the time that it took Apple to move 6 million copies of? Lion , Microsoft was able to move? 400 million copies of Windows 7 ?and was projected by Gartner to be on? 42% of all PCs by the end of 2011 ! By some estimates, Microsoft 7, Vista and XP have about 87% of the market." And here is? information on Win8 licences sold so far (I have posted it here already): http://techcrunch.com/2013/01/08/microsoft-announces-60m-licenses-for-windows-8-sold-showing-similar-sales-trajectory-to-windows-7/ Thank you. -- Shamil ???????????, 14 ?????? 2013, 13:16 -08:00 ?? "Jim Lawrence" : >Good point. > >Considering the Linux has been the private preserve of real tech heads, for >years, it now so completely dominates the Server market and almost 100 >percent of the super-computer market. All the growth has happened without >the help of an advertisers and marketers of any kind. > >Microsoft has had the benefit of a huge marketing team. Their costs of >advertising is millions a day and having hardware manufactures signed to >contracts that obligates them to install Windows on all their computers has >been a very successful formula. Given this scenario I would expect Windows >to be well ahead. > >I am a tech contractor and though much of my now limited work is in Windows >PCs, I am also responsible to give my clients all the options that are >available them, without prejudice. I am not cheering for Microsoft, Apple, >Google or Linux. I am definitely not part of a Fanboz club, for any product >and if one product gives the client what they need at the price they can >afford, so be it. > >As for the Linux growth market, small though it may be, it has shown growth >of over 64 percent in nine months...more than any other OS. Below is an >interesting link: > >http://www.zdnet.com/amazons-top-selling-laptop-doesnt-run-windows-or-mac-os >-it-runs-linux-7000009433/ > >As a business person, if I did not take advantage of the vacuum caused by >Windows 8, I would be seriously remiss. Our jobs are not to sell products >but to sell solutions whether it is our personal preference or not. > >Jim >?? > From fuller.artful at gmail.com Mon Jan 14 19:19:15 2013 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 20:19:15 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] PCs are here to stay In-Reply-To: <8CDDAC31E1B34E23BC89C8C27CF3DD63@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <58D2842DB9F44288A80C5DE186C46FD5@creativesystemdesigns.com> <1358158383.173752235@f217.mail.ru> <089FDCBF-1A25-4F36-96BD-C58FE7C1E19C@phulse.com> <8CDDAC31E1B34E23BC89C8C27CF3DD63@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: While my experience is limited pretty much to Ubuntu and Mint, and so I can't opine about how far the others have come, I will go so far as to suggest that pretty much anybody, even a brand-new user, can set up a Linux system now. It takes nothing more than booting from a CD or DVD. If you can do that, you can run Linux. Obviously such a user may never see a command line, but then he has no need to. A. From fuller.artful at gmail.com Mon Jan 14 19:42:35 2013 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 20:42:35 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Was: World Series Question, not Coin Toss Question Message-ID: A few days back I posed a problem about the World Series of baseball, which was this: Assume equal teams; for those unacquainted with baseball, the World Series is a series of 7 games maximum; the winner is the first team to win 4 games. I should have known better than to pose the problem in terms of baseball, since there are so many "external" factors. So let me re-pose the problem in terms of coin-tosses. The winner is still the one who wins 4 tosses. Suppose I win the first toss. What is the probability that you will win the series? -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. -- Niels Bohr From fuller.artful at gmail.com Mon Jan 14 19:44:11 2013 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 20:44:11 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] 1000-year DVD In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Cool! Maybe I just haven't looked hard enough in my local retail outlets. We have all the big box outlets here. Might I ask what you paid for the burner, and what you pay for the big-capacity discs? A. From hans.andersen at phulse.com Mon Jan 14 20:50:40 2013 From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 18:50:40 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] PCs are here to stay In-Reply-To: <1358212093.817684577@f387.i.mail.ru> References: <1358158383.173752235@f217.mail.ru> <1358212093.817684577@f387.i.mail.ru> Message-ID: <2BEEF9B4-0DCB-4108-9455-CBA1741F3388@phulse.com> > " The reality is that Microsoft has a lock on the desktop. Last year, in the time that it took Apple to move 6 million copies of Lion , Microsoft was able to move 400 million copies of Windows 7 Apples and oranges, is it not? :) The only thing that comparison illustrates is that there are more PC's sold than Macs and we all know the reasons why. > And here is information on Win8 licences sold so far (I have posted it here already): This oft quoted number is misleading (deliberately, of course). I'm not saying Windows 8 will not sell in decent numbers, but this article even points out that they can't tell how many actual sales of Windows 8 there are from that number and how many are in boxes in some warehouse of some OEM waiting to be installed and sold. They asked Microsoft to clarify and got the standard non-denial denial... basically repeating the same line about 60 million copies sold and "I'm not going to tell you the actual numbers, but, trust us... it's selling just as well as Windows 7." How is that an acceptable answer? :p - Hans On 2013-01-14, at 5:08 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote: > HI Jim -- > > OK, let's wait till the end of this year to see what will be the PC market OSes' usage figures. > > Another article from the same ZDNet magazine you referred (July 1, 2012) stated a while ago: > > http://www.zdnet.com/linux-in-the-enterprise-linux-on-the-desktop-7000000054/ > > " The reality is that Microsoft has a lock on the desktop. Last year, in the time that it took Apple to move 6 million copies of Lion , Microsoft was able to move 400 million copies of Windows 7 and was projected by Gartner to be on 42% of all PCs by the end of 2011 ! By some estimates, Microsoft 7, Vista and XP have about 87% of the market." > > And here is information on Win8 licences sold so far (I have posted it here already): > > http://techcrunch.com/2013/01/08/microsoft-announces-60m-licenses-for-windows-8-sold-showing-similar-sales-trajectory-to-windows-7/ > > > Thank you. > > -- Shamil > > ???????????, 14 ?????? 2013, 13:16 -08:00 ?? "Jim Lawrence" : >> Good point. >> >> Considering the Linux has been the private preserve of real tech heads, for >> years, it now so completely dominates the Server market and almost 100 >> percent of the super-computer market. All the growth has happened without >> the help of an advertisers and marketers of any kind. >> >> Microsoft has had the benefit of a huge marketing team. Their costs of >> advertising is millions a day and having hardware manufactures signed to >> contracts that obligates them to install Windows on all their computers has >> been a very successful formula. Given this scenario I would expect Windows >> to be well ahead. >> >> I am a tech contractor and though much of my now limited work is in Windows >> PCs, I am also responsible to give my clients all the options that are >> available them, without prejudice. I am not cheering for Microsoft, Apple, >> Google or Linux. I am definitely not part of a Fanboz club, for any product >> and if one product gives the client what they need at the price they can >> afford, so be it. >> >> As for the Linux growth market, small though it may be, it has shown growth >> of over 64 percent in nine months...more than any other OS. Below is an >> interesting link: >> >> http://www.zdnet.com/amazons-top-selling-laptop-doesnt-run-windows-or-mac-os >> -it-runs-linux-7000009433/ >> >> As a business person, if I did not take advantage of the vacuum caused by >> Windows 8, I would be seriously remiss. Our jobs are not to sell products >> but to sell solutions whether it is our personal preference or not. >> >> Jim >> >> > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Jan 14 21:18:58 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 19:18:58 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] PCs are here to stay In-Reply-To: <1358212093.817684577@f387.i.mail.ru> References: <1358158383.173752235@f217.mail.ru> <1358212093.817684577@f387.i.mail.ru> Message-ID: <239A038B8D4A46B3A565D4DE79CCC346@creativesystemdesigns.com> Good article. The one point that has been made is that it is not Linux that is fighting to get a spot on the desktop (fact is they do NO advertising or promote) but that Microsoft by its current products and attitude has caused this huge vacuum on the PC desktop. We each live in a tiny micro-cosmos of the computer world and you are making your assessment from your immediate clients and I am doing the same. So the truth is we will have to wait and see and re-visit this topic in another year and then it will be obvious whose crystal ball was clearest. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov Shamil Sent: Monday, January 14, 2013 5:08 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] PCs are here to stay HI Jim -- OK, let's wait till the end of this year to see what will be the PC market OSes' usage figures. Another article from the same ZDNet magazine you referred (July 1, 2012) stated a while ago: http://www.zdnet.com/linux-in-the-enterprise-linux-on-the-desktop-7000000054 / " The reality is that Microsoft has a lock on the desktop. Last year, in the time that it took Apple to move 6 million copies of? Lion , Microsoft was able to move? 400 million copies of Windows 7 ?and was projected by Gartner to be on? 42% of all PCs by the end of 2011 ! By some estimates, Microsoft 7, Vista and XP have about 87% of the market." And here is? information on Win8 licences sold so far (I have posted it here already): http://techcrunch.com/2013/01/08/microsoft-announces-60m-licenses-for-window s-8-sold-showing-similar-sales-trajectory-to-windows-7/ Thank you. -- Shamil ???????????, 14 ?????? 2013, 13:16 -08:00 ?? "Jim Lawrence" : >Good point. > >Considering the Linux has been the private preserve of real tech heads, for >years, it now so completely dominates the Server market and almost 100 >percent of the super-computer market. All the growth has happened without >the help of an advertisers and marketers of any kind. > >Microsoft has had the benefit of a huge marketing team. Their costs of >advertising is millions a day and having hardware manufactures signed to >contracts that obligates them to install Windows on all their computers has >been a very successful formula. Given this scenario I would expect Windows >to be well ahead. > >I am a tech contractor and though much of my now limited work is in Windows >PCs, I am also responsible to give my clients all the options that are >available them, without prejudice. I am not cheering for Microsoft, Apple, >Google or Linux. I am definitely not part of a Fanboz club, for any product >and if one product gives the client what they need at the price they can >afford, so be it. > >As for the Linux growth market, small though it may be, it has shown growth >of over 64 percent in nine months...more than any other OS. Below is an >interesting link: > >http://www.zdnet.com/amazons-top-selling-laptop-doesnt-run-windows-or-mac-o s >-it-runs-linux-7000009433/ > >As a business person, if I did not take advantage of the vacuum caused by >Windows 8, I would be seriously remiss. Our jobs are not to sell products >but to sell solutions whether it is our personal preference or not. > >Jim >?? > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Mon Jan 14 21:29:21 2013 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2013 13:29:21 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Was: World Series Question, not Coin Toss Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <50F4CD11.15080.4E3FE73@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Probablilty = 0.4285714285714286 Odds = 3:4 15 wins out of 35 possible outcomes. -- Stuart On 14 Jan 2013 at 20:42, Arthur Fuller wrote: > A few days back I posed a problem about the World Series of baseball, which > was this: Assume equal teams; for those unacquainted with baseball, the > World Series is a series of 7 games maximum; the winner is the first team > to win 4 games. > > I should have known better than to pose the problem in terms of baseball, > since there are so many "external" factors. So let me re-pose the problem > in terms of coin-tosses. The winner is still the one who wins 4 tosses. > Suppose I win the first toss. What is the probability that you will win the > series? > > -- > Arthur > Cell: 647.710.1314 > > Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. > -- Niels Bohr > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Jan 14 21:33:24 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 19:33:24 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] PCs are here to stay In-Reply-To: References: <58D2842DB9F44288A80C5DE186C46FD5@creativesystemdesigns.com><1358158383.173752235@f217.mail.ru><089FDCBF-1A25-4F36-96BD-C58FE7C1E19C@phulse.com><8CDDAC31E1B34E23BC89C8C27CF3DD63@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <6A1C8EE054934528A7E3A2B0ECCA4697@creativesystemdesigns.com> I think that says it all Arthur. Linux is no longer for just geeks but for anyone. Everyone should have a copy if it is only for fun. (It very nicely installs itself as a dual boot if you don't have enough PCs while not cramping the existing system) I have virtually zero interest in PC games and therefore Linux suited me very well but it seems with a number of major game distributors migrating their game engines onto the Linux platform that is all going change. I am not sure whether that pleases me. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Monday, January 14, 2013 5:19 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] PCs are here to stay While my experience is limited pretty much to Ubuntu and Mint, and so I can't opine about how far the others have come, I will go so far as to suggest that pretty much anybody, even a brand-new user, can set up a Linux system now. It takes nothing more than booting from a CD or DVD. If you can do that, you can run Linux. Obviously such a user may never see a command line, but then he has no need to. A. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Jan 14 21:36:00 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 19:36:00 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Was: World Series Question, not Coin Toss Question In-Reply-To: <50F4CD11.15080.4E3FE73@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <50F4CD11.15080.4E3FE73@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: My you are smart with math Stuart...one of my favourite subjects. ;-) Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Monday, January 14, 2013 7:29 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Was: World Series Question, not Coin Toss Question Probablilty = 0.4285714285714286 Odds = 3:4 15 wins out of 35 possible outcomes. -- Stuart On 14 Jan 2013 at 20:42, Arthur Fuller wrote: > A few days back I posed a problem about the World Series of baseball, which > was this: Assume equal teams; for those unacquainted with baseball, the > World Series is a series of 7 games maximum; the winner is the first team > to win 4 games. > > I should have known better than to pose the problem in terms of baseball, > since there are so many "external" factors. So let me re-pose the problem > in terms of coin-tosses. The winner is still the one who wins 4 tosses. > Suppose I win the first toss. What is the probability that you will win the > series? > > -- > Arthur > Cell: 647.710.1314 > > Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. > -- Niels Bohr > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Mon Jan 14 21:36:11 2013 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 22:36:11 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Was: World Series Question, not Coin Toss Question In-Reply-To: <50F4CD11.15080.4E3FE73@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <50F4CD11.15080.4E3FE73@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: According to my calculations you are incorrect. Your estimate of the total outcomes is way wrong. A. On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 10:29 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote: > > Probablilty = 0.4285714285714286 > > Odds = 3:4 > > 15 wins out of 35 possible outcomes. > > -- > Stuart > pecially of the future. > -- Niels Bohr From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Jan 14 21:38:36 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 19:38:36 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Was: World Series Question, not Coin Toss Question In-Reply-To: References: <50F4CD11.15080.4E3FE73@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <611E6BE633C047BFAFF08D1D6EF97F06@creativesystemdesigns.com> You guys show us the math. ;-) Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Monday, January 14, 2013 7:36 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Was: World Series Question, not Coin Toss Question According to my calculations you are incorrect. Your estimate of the total outcomes is way wrong. A. On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 10:29 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote: > > Probablilty = 0.4285714285714286 > > Odds = 3:4 > > 15 wins out of 35 possible outcomes. > > -- > Stuart > pecially of the future. > -- Niels Bohr _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Jan 14 21:42:21 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 19:42:21 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] 1000-year DVD In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1E952D4B02F545F9B987F69F476123B6@creativesystemdesigns.com> That seems like a very reasonable number of disks. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of DJK (John) Robinson Sent: Monday, January 14, 2013 4:28 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] 1000-year DVD Hi Arthur No Blu-Ray burners? I'm puzzled - have they gone out of fashion, or something? Mine's nearly five years old; I use rewritable BDs for my ultimate offline backup/archive. ... Just had a little look round - more recent BD formats include BDXL and up to quad layer, with storage of up to 128GB. Internal drives mostly cost around GBP60-70 in the UK. I'm way out of date with my 25GB BDREs! Although I don't really need to store stuff for even 100 years. But it would take only 20 of these high-capacity BDs to take 2.5TB John -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: 14 January 2013 21:48 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] 1000-year DVD The company has promised Blu-Rays for commercial delivery by summer. But even then, it's going to take about 50 discs for you. I have no idea how much a Blu-Ray burner is, either. None of the stores local to me even have one in stock. A. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From hans.andersen at phulse.com Mon Jan 14 22:01:18 2013 From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 20:01:18 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] PCs are here to stay In-Reply-To: <6A1C8EE054934528A7E3A2B0ECCA4697@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <58D2842DB9F44288A80C5DE186C46FD5@creativesystemdesigns.com> <1358158383.173752235@f217.mail.ru> <089FDCBF-1A25-4F36-96BD-C58FE7C1E19C@phulse.com> <8CDDAC31E1B34E23BC89C8C27CF3DD63@creativesystemdesigns.com> <6A1C8EE054934528A7E3A2B0ECCA4697@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <0AA40783-F163-4E1D-B412-448122757A03@phulse.com> How could that be a bad thing? It has already resulted in much improve video card drivers for nvidia and ati with better hardware performance, because these companies now have a greater incentive to not do a half assed job of it. :) - Hans Sent from my iPhone On 2013-01-14, at 7:33 PM, "Jim Lawrence" wrote: > I think that says it all Arthur. > > Linux is no longer for just geeks but for anyone. Everyone should have a > copy if it is only for fun. (It very nicely installs itself as a dual boot > if you don't have enough PCs while not cramping the existing system) > > I have virtually zero interest in PC games and therefore Linux suited me > very well but it seems with a number of major game distributors migrating > their game engines onto the Linux platform that is all going change. I am > not sure whether that pleases me. > > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller > Sent: Monday, January 14, 2013 5:19 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] PCs are here to stay > > While my experience is limited pretty much to Ubuntu and Mint, and so I > can't opine about how far the others have come, I will go so far as to > suggest that pretty much anybody, even a brand-new user, can set up a > Linux system now. It takes nothing more than booting from a CD or DVD. If > you can do that, you can run Linux. Obviously such a user may never see a > command line, but then he has no need to. > > A. > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From peter.brawley at earthlink.net Mon Jan 14 22:10:33 2013 From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 22:10:33 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Was: World Series Question, not Coin Toss Question In-Reply-To: <50F4CD11.15080.4E3FE73@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <50F4CD11.15080.4E3FE73@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <50F4D6B9.4000702@earthlink.net> On 2013-01-14 9:29 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote: > Probablilty = 0.4285714285714286 > > Odds = 3:4 > > 15 wins out of 35 possible outcomes. 6C4 / 2^6, ie the number of ways you can get 4 heads in 6 tries / the total no. of possible combinations. PB From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Jan 14 22:47:15 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 20:47:15 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] PCs are here to stay In-Reply-To: <0AA40783-F163-4E1D-B412-448122757A03@phulse.com> References: <58D2842DB9F44288A80C5DE186C46FD5@creativesystemdesigns.com><1358158383.173752235@f217.mail.ru><089FDCBF-1A25-4F36-96BD-C58FE7C1E19C@phulse.com><8CDDAC31E1B34E23BC89C8C27CF3DD63@creativesystemdesigns.com><6A1C8EE054934528A7E3A2B0ECCA4697@creativesystemdesigns.com> <0AA40783-F163-4E1D-B412-448122757A03@phulse.com> Message-ID: I was just raising a flag to see if any gamers were listening ;-) Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hans-Christian Andersen Sent: Monday, January 14, 2013 8:01 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] PCs are here to stay How could that be a bad thing? It has already resulted in much improve video card drivers for nvidia and ati with better hardware performance, because these companies now have a greater incentive to not do a half assed job of it. :) - Hans Sent from my iPhone On 2013-01-14, at 7:33 PM, "Jim Lawrence" wrote: > I think that says it all Arthur. > > Linux is no longer for just geeks but for anyone. Everyone should have a > copy if it is only for fun. (It very nicely installs itself as a dual boot > if you don't have enough PCs while not cramping the existing system) > > I have virtually zero interest in PC games and therefore Linux suited me > very well but it seems with a number of major game distributors migrating > their game engines onto the Linux platform that is all going change. I am > not sure whether that pleases me. > > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller > Sent: Monday, January 14, 2013 5:19 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] PCs are here to stay > > While my experience is limited pretty much to Ubuntu and Mint, and so I > can't opine about how far the others have come, I will go so far as to > suggest that pretty much anybody, even a brand-new user, can set up a > Linux system now. It takes nothing more than booting from a CD or DVD. If > you can do that, you can run Linux. Obviously such a user may never see a > command line, but then he has no need to. > > A. > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Mon Jan 14 23:06:30 2013 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2013 00:06:30 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Was: World Series Question, not Coin Toss Question In-Reply-To: <611E6BE633C047BFAFF08D1D6EF97F06@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <50F4CD11.15080.4E3FE73@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <611E6BE633C047BFAFF08D1D6EF97F06@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: Here's my analysis. With one game played, there remain 2^6 possible outcomes, or 64. Of these, only 1 can end it in 5 games. There are 6 possible outcomes in which you win while I win only 1 more game. Represent these using Y and M (since I won the first game, I'll be M (me) and you'll be Y (you): MYYYYY YMYYYY YYMYYY YYYMYY YYYYMY YYYYYM There are 15 possible sequences in which you win 4 games while I win 2 more. In all the other possible outcomes, I win 3 and thus the match. This means that of the 64 possible outcomes, you win the match in 1 + 6 + 15 = 22 outcomes, while I win the other 42. As a result, the probability of your victory is 22/64, or 11/32, or just a nudge better than 1/3 (.34375). A. From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Jan 14 23:47:44 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 21:47:44 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] One code to rule them all In-Reply-To: References: <58D2842DB9F44288A80C5DE186C46FD5@creativesystemdesigns.com><1358158383.173752235@f217.mail.ru><089FDCBF-1A25-4F36-96BD-C58FE7C1E19C@phulse.com><8CDDAC31E1B34E23BC89C8C27CF3DD63@creativesystemdesigns.com><6A1C8EE054934528A7E3A2B0ECCA4697@creativesystemdesigns.com><0AA40783-F163-4E1D-B412-448122757A03@phulse.com> Message-ID: <6A46CF80E46D4390AEE87A4DCA692D48@creativesystemdesigns.com> The following company claims to have made the one application that will allow you to build apps on them all; iPhone, WindowsPhone, Android and even Blackberry. Regardless, the programming language is worthy of checking out. http://qt.digia.com/ Jim From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Jan 14 23:59:18 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 21:59:18 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Light Table In-Reply-To: References: <50F4CD11.15080.4E3FE73@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg><611E6BE633C047BFAFF08D1D6EF97F06@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: Last year the project Light Table was one of the most successful startup projects on Startup. http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/ibdknox/light-table The programmer, Chris Granger, stated that if he made his project requirements he would build a full-intelsense JavaScript editor and if he reach his goal of $300K he would also be able to build a similar editor for Python. Just checked GitHub and noticed his beta or is alpha version is available for download...last update was less than 6 days ago: https://github.com/Kodowa/Light-Table-Playground I have not had a chance to check it out yet but will shortly. Jim From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Tue Jan 15 00:16:24 2013 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2013 16:16:24 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Was: World Series Question, not Coin Toss Question In-Reply-To: <611E6BE633C047BFAFF08D1D6EF97F06@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: , , <611E6BE633C047BFAFF08D1D6EF97F06@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <50F4F438.14155.57CEE60@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> The math is complex. It is far simpler to solve it iteratively as a binary tree. Here it is graphically: http://camcopng.com/arthurcointoss.xls -- Stuart On 14 Jan 2013 at 19:38, Jim Lawrence wrote: > You guys show us the math. ;-) > > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller > Sent: Monday, January 14, 2013 7:36 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Was: World Series Question, not Coin Toss Question > > According to my calculations you are incorrect. Your estimate of the total > outcomes is way wrong. > > A. > > > On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 10:29 PM, Stuart McLachlan > wrote: > > > > > Probablilty = 0.4285714285714286 > > > > Odds = 3:4 > > > > 15 wins out of 35 possible outcomes. > > > > -- > > Stuart > > pecially of the future. > > > -- Niels Bohr > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Tue Jan 15 00:21:33 2013 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2013 16:21:33 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Was: World Series Question, not Coin Toss Question In-Reply-To: <50F4D6B9.4000702@earthlink.net> References: , <50F4CD11.15080.4E3FE73@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>, <50F4D6B9.4000702@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <50F4F56D.1737.581A4E2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> You are trying to solve a different problem. In the problem as stated, you CAN have UP TO seven tosses, but you stop after either side has four wins, so there may anything from four to seven tries. -- Stuart On 14 Jan 2013 at 22:10, Peter Brawley wrote: > > On 2013-01-14 9:29 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote: > > Probablilty = 0.4285714285714286 > > > > Odds = 3:4 > > > > 15 wins out of 35 possible outcomes. > > 6C4 / 2^6, ie the number of ways you can get 4 heads in 6 tries / the > total no. of possible combinations. > > PB > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Tue Jan 15 00:27:24 2013 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2013 16:27:24 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Was: World Series Question, not Coin Toss Question In-Reply-To: References: , <611E6BE633C047BFAFF08D1D6EF97F06@creativesystemdesigns.com>, Message-ID: <50F4F6CC.27804.58702F9@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> I'll happily play against you if you give me 3:1 odds :-) With one game played, there are not 2^6 possible outcomes. Many of those are precluded by the rule which says that the contest finishes when either side has four wins. There would only be that many psibilities if you continue to toss three more coins after getting four heads in a row etc. -- Stuart On 15 Jan 2013 at 0:06, Arthur Fuller wrote: > Here's my analysis. > > With one game played, there remain 2^6 possible outcomes, or 64. Of these, > only 1 can end it in 5 games. There are 6 possible outcomes in which you > win while I win only 1 more game. Represent these using Y and M (since I > won the first game, I'll be M (me) and you'll be Y (you): > > MYYYYY YMYYYY YYMYYY YYYMYY YYYYMY YYYYYM > > There are 15 possible sequences in which you win 4 games while I win 2 > more. In all the other possible outcomes, I win 3 and thus the match. This > means that of the 64 possible outcomes, you win the match in 1 + 6 + 15 = > 22 outcomes, while I win the other 42. As a result, the probability of your > victory is 22/64, or 11/32, or just a nudge better than 1/3 (.34375). > > A. > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Tue Jan 15 01:02:49 2013 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2013 17:02:49 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Was: World Series Question, not Coin Toss Question In-Reply-To: <50F4F438.14155.57CEE60@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: , <611E6BE633C047BFAFF08D1D6EF97F06@creativesystemdesigns.com>, <50F4F438.14155.57CEE60@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <50F4FF19.21591.5A76CA4@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Bzzt!. I'm wrong but my calculations were correct. As I said originally, and showed in the spreadsheet, there are indeed only 35 possible outcomes of which Arthur wins 20 and I win 15. But they are not all equally likely! So the probabilty is not 43% (15/35) Arthur is the correct, the probabililty is indeed about 34% when the likelihood of the various outcomes is taken into consideration. However, he is still wrong about the total number of possible outcomes :-) -- Stuart On 15 Jan 2013 at 16:16, Stuart McLachlan wrote: > The math is complex. It is far simpler to solve it iteratively as a binary tree. > > Here it is graphically: > http://camcopng.com/arthurcointoss.xls > > -- > Stuart > > On 14 Jan 2013 at 19:38, Jim Lawrence wrote: > > > You guys show us the math. ;-) > > > > Jim > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller > > Sent: Monday, January 14, 2013 7:36 PM > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Was: World Series Question, not Coin Toss Question > > > > According to my calculations you are incorrect. Your estimate of the total > > outcomes is way wrong. > > > > A. > > > > > > On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 10:29 PM, Stuart McLachlan > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Probablilty = 0.4285714285714286 > > > > > > Odds = 3:4 > > > > > > 15 wins out of 35 possible outcomes. > > > > > > -- > > > Stuart > > > pecially of the future. > > > > > -- Niels Bohr > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From fuller.artful at gmail.com Tue Jan 15 03:09:15 2013 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2013 04:09:15 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Was: World Series Question, not Coin Toss Question In-Reply-To: <50F4FF19.21591.5A76CA4@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <611E6BE633C047BFAFF08D1D6EF97F06@creativesystemdesigns.com> <50F4F438.14155.57CEE60@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <50F4FF19.21591.5A76CA4@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: Point taken, Stuart. Here's another one, which is actually the simplest possible backgammon problem, but I'll abstract it from that environment. We're down to the final roll of the dice. It's your turn. Should you roll a one on either die, you lose. You decide to double the bet. The question: should I accept the bet? A. From mcp2004 at mail.ru Tue Jan 15 03:43:22 2013 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2013 13:43:22 +0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?PCs_are_here_to_stay?= In-Reply-To: <239A038B8D4A46B3A565D4DE79CCC346@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <1358212093.817684577@f387.i.mail.ru> <239A038B8D4A46B3A565D4DE79CCC346@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <1358243002.251653384@f12.mail.ru> Hi Jim and Hans -- <<< So the truth is we will have to wait and see and re-visit this topic in another year and then it will be obvious whose crystal ball was clearest. >>> Yes. It could be more obvious... -- Shamil ???????????, 14 ?????? 2013, 19:18 -08:00 ?? "Jim Lawrence" : >Good article. > >The one point that has been made is that it is not Linux that is fighting to >get a spot on the desktop (fact is they do NO advertising or promote) but >that Microsoft by its current products and attitude has caused this huge >vacuum on the PC desktop. > >We each live in a tiny micro-cosmos of the computer world and you are making >your assessment from your immediate clients and I am doing the same. > >So the truth is we will have to wait and see and re-visit this topic in >another year and then it will be obvious whose crystal ball was clearest. > >Jim <<< skipped >>> > From hans.andersen at phulse.com Tue Jan 15 03:52:27 2013 From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2013 01:52:27 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] PCs are here to stay In-Reply-To: <1358243002.251653384@f12.mail.ru> References: <1358212093.817684577@f387.i.mail.ru> <239A038B8D4A46B3A565D4DE79CCC346@creativesystemdesigns.com> <1358243002.251653384@f12.mail.ru> Message-ID: <2E67EE4E-C339-4126-9531-CE91AD0F3352@phulse.com> Kicking the can down the road, are we? ;) On 2013-01-15, at 1:43 AM, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote: > Hi Jim and Hans -- > > <<< > So the truth is we will have to wait and see and re-visit this topic in > another year and then it will be obvious whose crystal ball was clearest. >>>> > Yes. It could be more obvious... > > -- Shamil > > > ???????????, 14 ?????? 2013, 19:18 -08:00 ?? "Jim Lawrence" : >> Good article. >> >> The one point that has been made is that it is not Linux that is fighting to >> get a spot on the desktop (fact is they do NO advertising or promote) but >> that Microsoft by its current products and attitude has caused this huge >> vacuum on the PC desktop. >> >> We each live in a tiny micro-cosmos of the computer world and you are making >> your assessment from your immediate clients and I am doing the same. >> >> So the truth is we will have to wait and see and re-visit this topic in >> another year and then it will be obvious whose crystal ball was clearest. >> >> Jim > <<< skipped >>> >> > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From mcp2004 at mail.ru Tue Jan 15 04:48:25 2013 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2013 14:48:25 +0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?PCs_are_here_to_stay?= In-Reply-To: <2E67EE4E-C339-4126-9531-CE91AD0F3352@phulse.com> References: <1358243002.251653384@f12.mail.ru> <2E67EE4E-C339-4126-9531-CE91AD0F3352@phulse.com> Message-ID: <1358246905.848011601@f202.mail.ru> Hi Hans -- "Kicking the can down the road" ;) BTW, the local equivalent would be an idiomatic?expression sounding in English as "pigeonhole". We don't have the cans to kick down the roads or roads are not so good here and are mainly flat so managing to kick the cans down far enough would require quite some efforts :) No, (I hope) I personally don't (pigeonhole). As I have noted in parallel to my everyday development work, which is mainly desktop and web services Windows apps, I'm also learning the new technologies (via PluralSight, tech. books , articles etc.) with HTML5, CSS3, JavaScript, jQuery, Knockout, SPA, RESTful web services, multi-platform mobile apps being "the main targets". And all that "main targets" can be achieved using Win7/Win8, Visual Studio 2012, SQL Server (Express) and relatively inexpensive but effective enough IIS-based Web hosting... You know I have worked with many information media, technologies and programming languages starting with punch tapes and cards, mainframes, minicomputers, macro-assemblers, PL/I, C, C++, Pascal,... used to use command line (in RSX-11M/PDP-11) quite a lot, patched RSX-11M core to get my system utilities to work... - and currently I and my customers are satisfied with MS Windows and Windows-based custom software development is that desktop or web services or web sites... Let's get back to this thread subject in January 2014? -- Shamil ???????, 15 ?????? 2013, 1:52 -08:00 ?? Hans-Christian Andersen : >Kicking the can down the road, are we? > >;) > > >On 2013-01-15, at 1:43 AM, Salakhetdinov Shamil < mcp2004 at mail.ru > wrote: > >> Hi Jim and Hans -- >> >> <<< >> So the truth is we will have to wait and see and re-visit this topic in >> another year and then it will be obvious whose crystal ball was clearest. >>>>> >> Yes. It could be more obvious... >> >> -- Shamil >> >> >> ???????????, 14 ?????? 2013, 19:18 -08:00 ?? "Jim Lawrence" < accessd at shaw.ca >: >>> Good article. >>> >>> The one point that has been made is that it is not Linux that is fighting to >>> get a spot on the desktop (fact is they do NO advertising or promote) but >>> that Microsoft by its current products and attitude has caused this huge >>> vacuum on the PC desktop. >>> >>> We each live in a tiny micro-cosmos of the computer world and you are making >>> your assessment from your immediate clients and I am doing the same. >>> >>> So the truth is we will have to wait and see and re-visit this topic in >>> another year and then it will be obvious whose crystal ball was clearest. >>> >>> Jim >> <<< skipped >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From hans.andersen at phulse.com Tue Jan 15 05:09:39 2013 From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2013 03:09:39 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] PCs are here to stay In-Reply-To: <1358246905.848011601@f202.mail.ru> References: <1358243002.251653384@f12.mail.ru> <2E67EE4E-C339-4126-9531-CE91AD0F3352@phulse.com> <1358246905.848011601@f202.mail.ru> Message-ID: There is a key difference between the two idioms. In the example of "kicking the can down the road", the presumption is that you aim to continue delaying this decision even further down the road (alas, you keep kicking the can down the road or "lets go back to this thread in 2015... 2016... etc"). This sort of thing is not implied with pigeonholing (at least not in common English to my knowledge). I thought this was a discussion of current events though. I see no reason why we cannot express our opinion as it stands today. It is very unlikely we will continue this thread a year from now. I'm pretty certain of that. - Hans On 2013-01-15, at 2:48 AM, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote: > Hi Hans -- > > "Kicking the can down the road" ;) BTW, the local equivalent would be an idiomatic expression sounding in English as "pigeonhole". We don't have the cans to kick down the roads or roads are not so good here and are mainly flat so managing to kick the cans down far enough would require quite some efforts :) > > No, (I hope) I personally don't (pigeonhole). > > As I have noted in parallel to my everyday development work, which is mainly desktop and web services Windows apps, I'm also learning the new technologies (via PluralSight, tech. books , articles etc.) with HTML5, CSS3, JavaScript, jQuery, Knockout, SPA, RESTful web services, multi-platform mobile apps being "the main targets". And all that "main targets" can be achieved using Win7/Win8, Visual Studio 2012, SQL Server (Express) and relatively inexpensive but effective enough IIS-based Web hosting... > > You know I have worked with many information media, technologies and programming languages starting with punch tapes and cards, mainframes, minicomputers, macro-assemblers, PL/I, C, C++, Pascal,... used to use command line (in RSX-11M/PDP-11) quite a lot, patched RSX-11M core to get my system utilities to work... - and currently I and my customers are satisfied with MS Windows and Windows-based custom software development is that desktop or web services or web sites... > > Let's get back to this thread subject in January 2014? > > -- Shamil > > ???????, 15 ?????? 2013, 1:52 -08:00 ?? Hans-Christian Andersen : >> Kicking the can down the road, are we? >> >> ;) >> >> >> On 2013-01-15, at 1:43 AM, Salakhetdinov Shamil < mcp2004 at mail.ru > wrote: >> >>> Hi Jim and Hans -- >>> >>> <<< >>> So the truth is we will have to wait and see and re-visit this topic in >>> another year and then it will be obvious whose crystal ball was clearest. >>>>>> >>> Yes. It could be more obvious... >>> >>> -- Shamil >>> >>> >>> ???????????, 14 ?????? 2013, 19:18 -08:00 ?? "Jim Lawrence" < accessd at shaw.ca >: >>>> Good article. >>>> >>>> The one point that has been made is that it is not Linux that is fighting to >>>> get a spot on the desktop (fact is they do NO advertising or promote) but >>>> that Microsoft by its current products and attitude has caused this huge >>>> vacuum on the PC desktop. >>>> >>>> We each live in a tiny micro-cosmos of the computer world and you are making >>>> your assessment from your immediate clients and I am doing the same. >>>> >>>> So the truth is we will have to wait and see and re-visit this topic in >>>> another year and then it will be obvious whose crystal ball was clearest. >>>> >>>> Jim >>> <<< skipped >>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> dba-Tech mailing list >>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From mcp2004 at mail.ru Tue Jan 15 05:59:16 2013 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2013 15:59:16 +0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?PCs_are_here_to_stay?= In-Reply-To: References: <1358246905.848011601@f202.mail.ru> Message-ID: <1358251156.558375602@f43.mail.ru> Hans -- "kicking the can down the road" vs. "pigeonhole" (Russian: '??????????? ? ?????? ????') :) - ?in local meaning "(keeping) kicking something" is (usually) a (long lasting, periodic) action, which requires some efforts, and "pigeonhole" is a complete inactivity after the initial action of "putting something into a 'pigeon-hole'". I meant "pigeonhole till January 2014" the analysis of stats of PC market OSes usage. I didn't mean to stop this discussion thread on what tasks/jobs are more suitable for PCs running Windows (8) and what for Linux, what are their TCO etc. -- Shamil ???????, 15 ?????? 2013, 3:09 -08:00 ?? Hans-Christian Andersen : >There is a key difference between the two idioms. In the example of "kicking the can down the road", the presumption is that you aim to continue delaying this decision even further down the road (alas, you keep kicking the can down the road or "lets go back to this thread in 2015... 2016... etc"). This sort of thing is not implied with pigeonholing (at least not in common English to my knowledge). > >I thought this was a discussion of current events though. I see no reason why we cannot express our opinion as it stands today. It is very unlikely we will continue this thread a year from now. I'm pretty certain of that. > >- Hans > > > >On 2013-01-15, at 2:48 AM, Salakhetdinov Shamil < mcp2004 at mail.ru > wrote: > >> Hi Hans -- >> >> "Kicking the can down the road" ;) BTW, the local equivalent would be an idiomatic expression sounding in English as "pigeonhole". We don't have the cans to kick down the roads or roads are not so good here and are mainly flat so managing to kick the cans down far enough would require quite some efforts :) >> >> No, (I hope) I personally don't (pigeonhole). >> >> As I have noted in parallel to my everyday development work, which is mainly desktop and web services Windows apps, I'm also learning the new technologies (via PluralSight, tech. books , articles etc.) with HTML5, CSS3, JavaScript, jQuery, Knockout, SPA, RESTful web services, multi-platform mobile apps being "the main targets". And all that "main targets" can be achieved using Win7/Win8, Visual Studio 2012, SQL Server (Express) and relatively inexpensive but effective enough IIS-based Web hosting... >> >> You know I have worked with many information media, technologies and programming languages starting with punch tapes and cards, mainframes, minicomputers, macro-assemblers, PL/I, C, C++, Pascal,... used to use command line (in RSX-11M/PDP-11) quite a lot, patched RSX-11M core to get my system utilities to work... - and currently I and my customers are satisfied with MS Windows and Windows-based custom software development is that desktop or web services or web sites... >> >> Let's get back to this thread subject in January 2014? >> >> -- Shamil >> >> ???????, 15 ?????? 2013, 1:52 -08:00 ?? Hans-Christian Andersen < hans.andersen at phulse.com >: >>> Kicking the can down the road, are we? >>> >>> ;) <<< skipped >>> > From djkr at msn.com Tue Jan 15 09:42:38 2013 From: djkr at msn.com (DJK (John) Robinson) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2013 15:42:38 +0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] 1000-year DVD In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Remember that my Blu-ray burner is ancient, single-layer only and doesn't understand BDXL! I bought it as an 'early-adopter' five years ago at GBP172 (=CAD272). Today's prices for a quad-layer burner are way less - I've just seen a Pioneer at GBP66 (CAD105). Discs are a different matter. I can buy a BDRE 25GB for GBP2 or less, but 50GB is twice that. I can't see any 128GB on sale, and 100GB (triple layer) are GBP43 to 57 - seven to eight times the cost per GB of my tiddlers. John -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: 15 January 2013 01:44 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] 1000-year DVD Cool! Maybe I just haven't looked hard enough in my local retail outlets. We have all the big box outlets here. Might I ask what you paid for the burner, and what you pay for the big-capacity discs? A. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From djkr at msn.com Tue Jan 15 09:43:40 2013 From: djkr at msn.com (DJK (John) Robinson) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2013 15:43:40 +0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] 1000-year DVD In-Reply-To: <1E952D4B02F545F9B987F69F476123B6@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: ... and an unreasonable price! J -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: 15 January 2013 03:42 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] 1000-year DVD That seems like a very reasonable number of disks. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of DJK (John) Robinson Sent: Monday, January 14, 2013 4:28 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] 1000-year DVD Hi Arthur No Blu-Ray burners? I'm puzzled - have they gone out of fashion, or something? Mine's nearly five years old; I use rewritable BDs for my ultimate offline backup/archive. ... Just had a little look round - more recent BD formats include BDXL and up to quad layer, with storage of up to 128GB. Internal drives mostly cost around GBP60-70 in the UK. I'm way out of date with my 25GB BDREs! Although I don't really need to store stuff for even 100 years. But it would take only 20 of these high-capacity BDs to take 2.5TB John -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: 14 January 2013 21:48 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] 1000-year DVD The company has promised Blu-Rays for commercial delivery by summer. But even then, it's going to take about 50 discs for you. I have no idea how much a Blu-Ray burner is, either. None of the stores local to me even have one in stock. A. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From djkr at msn.com Tue Jan 15 09:55:11 2013 From: djkr at msn.com (DJK (John) Robinson) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2013 15:55:11 +0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] 1000-year DVD In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Correction - when I said "50GB is twice that", I meant twice the price *per*GB*, ie four times the price of the 25GB disc. J -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of DJK (John) Robinson Sent: 15 January 2013 15:43 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] 1000-year DVD Remember that my Blu-ray burner is ancient, single-layer only and doesn't understand BDXL! I bought it as an 'early-adopter' five years ago at GBP172 (=CAD272). Today's prices for a quad-layer burner are way less - I've just seen a Pioneer at GBP66 (CAD105). Discs are a different matter. I can buy a BDRE 25GB for GBP2 or less, but 50GB is twice that. I can't see any 128GB on sale, and 100GB (triple layer) are GBP43 to 57 - seven to eight times the cost per GB of my tiddlers. John -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: 15 January 2013 01:44 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] 1000-year DVD Cool! Maybe I just haven't looked hard enough in my local retail outlets. We have all the big box outlets here. Might I ask what you paid for the burner, and what you pay for the big-capacity discs? A. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Tue Jan 15 10:49:21 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2013 08:49:21 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Was: World Series Question, not Coin Toss Question In-Reply-To: <50F4FF19.21591.5A76CA4@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: , <611E6BE633C047BFAFF08D1D6EF97F06@creativesystemdesigns.com>, <50F4F438.14155.57CEE60@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <50F4FF19.21591.5A76CA4@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: It looks elegant and very logical. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Monday, January 14, 2013 11:03 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Was: World Series Question, not Coin Toss Question Bzzt!. I'm wrong but my calculations were correct. As I said originally, and showed in the spreadsheet, there are indeed only 35 possible outcomes of which Arthur wins 20 and I win 15. But they are not all equally likely! So the probabilty is not 43% (15/35) Arthur is the correct, the probabililty is indeed about 34% when the likelihood of the various outcomes is taken into consideration. However, he is still wrong about the total number of possible outcomes :-) -- Stuart On 15 Jan 2013 at 16:16, Stuart McLachlan wrote: > The math is complex. It is far simpler to solve it iteratively as a binary tree. > > Here it is graphically: > http://camcopng.com/arthurcointoss.xls > > -- > Stuart > > On 14 Jan 2013 at 19:38, Jim Lawrence wrote: > > > You guys show us the math. ;-) > > > > Jim > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller > > Sent: Monday, January 14, 2013 7:36 PM > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Was: World Series Question, not Coin Toss Question > > > > According to my calculations you are incorrect. Your estimate of the total > > outcomes is way wrong. > > > > A. > > > > > > On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 10:29 PM, Stuart McLachlan > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Probablilty = 0.4285714285714286 > > > > > > Odds = 3:4 > > > > > > 15 wins out of 35 possible outcomes. > > > > > > -- > > > Stuart > > > pecially of the future. > > > > > -- Niels Bohr > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Tue Jan 15 11:41:55 2013 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2013 12:41:55 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] 1000-year DVD In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I just checked the local Best Buy and a Pioneer 15x Internal BD/DVD/CD burner is a palty $94.99 CDN. An ASUS 12x external writer is $146.99. The only discs that store offers are 25Gb, in 15-packs for ~$85. or slightly more than $5 apiece. (Pause for quick calculation... current space occupied is less than 1 TB, but that's because I removed some old client databases, and also because I typically burn my movies to DVDs; therein lies a problem: I have approximately 400 movies on DVD -- that would demand some significant investment in Blu-Rays, even at the most-condensed layer storage. OTOH, several other factors present their pretty heads: a) why do I think that it is my responsibility to preserve cinematic and musical works? I like to think that my collection reflects my good, albeit decidedly offbeat, taste, but I'm also sure that millions of other copies exist elsewhere. I choose only to record those DVD movies that meet my standards, the principal one being that the film must withstand repeated viewings. Unlike many and perhaps most viewers, I tend to regard movies in the same light as I do classical music -- it only becomes interesting when you've memorized it, once you can do a complete scene including all its characters, and emulate their voices and sarcasm and glances askance and subtle bristles at offence taken, the adjustment of the hat or collar, the curl of the lip, the abrupt military-style turn on one's heel, and of course the obligatory pause just prior to the exit at the doorway, when s/he turns around and says something hurtful. That's when you know a movie! And I know a few hundred movies that well. And I'm also promiscuous as hell: I love School of Rock almost as much as Miller's Crossing and Bergman's Persona, and hell, I even love Overboard, which is clearly a ripoff of Lena Wertmuller's classic Swept Away. But that's where being a cine-slut gets you LOL. b) When I die, someone will inherit a most idiosyncractic collection of DVD movies. Probably there is little or no need to record these on 1000-year-MTBF discs; copies will be available elsewhere. c) Same thing goes for my CD collection, which numbers into at least a thousand, and is equally promiscuous. I file those objects strictly alphabetically, without regard to genre. This is a simple solution regarding most music: if you want a collection of Tibetan regligious music, look under T. If you want an overview of Punk, that takes more work -- you'll have to look up The Clash, Ramones, Rough Trade and Sex Pistols separately, and you'll find adjacent to Sex Pistols Schubert's works, and shortly afterwards, Scriabin, Shostakovich and then Stravinsky, and shortly after that, the collected works of Talking Heads, Problems arise when a given CD (for example almost anything by Kronos), which could have anything from Monk to Satie etc. on any given disc. In that case, I file them by artist rather than composer. d) And finally we come to the stuff that I deem Truly Important, and I remain unsure how to file this stuff. Examples include Jacqueline du Pre playing Beethoven's Cello Sonata Op. 66 No. 3, with Stephen Bishop NOT that atrocious other recording she did with Danny Barenboim, her then-husband, YUK! Another: Miss America, by Mary Margaret O'Hara (sister of SNL's Kathryn and also of brother Marcus, who is a genius at founding trendy night clubs in Toronto); her recording transcends genres -- it's rock, jazz, country and a few others by turns, and IMHO stands as one of the greatest records ever made in Canada, ever. Another example: I have about a dozen recordings of Igor's Rite of Spring, and to my mind there's only one conductor who truly understands the music, and that is Igor himself, conducting the Columbia Symphony Orchestra. He makes everyone else look foolish, IMO. So, just to file him under "S" or to include that recording on some special shelf and special Blu-Ray of "Musical Essentials, as judged by Arthur"? Perhaps the best solution is Both. And finally, we come to the most difficult problem. Years back, I had a collection of books numbering into the thousands. About a dozen years ago, faced with the prospect of moving them all, and also the fact that I hadn't even glanced at my copy of Joyce's Ulysses since reading it in university, I decided to purge my collection, and donated about 95% to the local library + St. Vincent de Pauls charitable second-hand store. I imposed a brutal rule: either I'm guaranteed to read it again, or it's a signed first edition. That reduced the number to several hundred, and since then it's grown to at least a thousand. Why does it matter than I have just about every book that Orson Scott Card wrote, signed in first edition? And same for William Gibson and Neal Stephenson? And even a couple signed by Le Carre (well, Cornwell)? In the big picture, who cares? Just me, I guess. So I suppose that attempts to record them via OCR are pointless. Come to think of it, perhaps all this stuff is pointless to collect and preserve, and that I should just flog it all on eBay and spend the money on lobster, wine and hookers. Himm. I grow old, perhaps it's time to Act! :) A. From accessd at shaw.ca Tue Jan 15 21:17:57 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2013 19:17:57 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] PCs are here to stay In-Reply-To: <1358246905.848011601@f202.mail.ru> References: <1358243002.251653384@f12.mail.ru><2E67EE4E-C339-4126-9531-CE91AD0F3352@phulse.com> <1358246905.848011601@f202.mail.ru> Message-ID: <5983A5427DCF489D8E54B9B75F0B63BC@creativesystemdesigns.com> No, hardly "kicking the can down the road" but we now have to wait to see is all the predictions by the "reported" experts and our observations comes true. What I find most exciting is it appears that no longer is there an immediate threat that one of two companies to completely rule the direction the computer industry. These breakups give opportunities for the creative geniuses out there. There are more start-ups that ever before and more successful one. More companies are popping up everywhere. There is more and different technologies being tested and used. Unfortunately, Microsoft's 95 percent control of the industry crushed out much of new technology growth. Now a days a tech can be anything they want to be whether it is Windows, Apple, Linux, desktop, tablet, Smartphone, cloud, SQL, NoSQL or any mixture of a thousand different flavours. The market, even though it has matured a lot, looks not unlike the industry in the eighties, full of energy and creativity. It is a good time to be a programmer. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov Shamil Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2013 2:48 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] PCs are here to stay Hi Hans -- "Kicking the can down the road" ;) BTW, the local equivalent would be an idiomatic?expression sounding in English as "pigeonhole". We don't have the cans to kick down the roads or roads are not so good here and are mainly flat so managing to kick the cans down far enough would require quite some efforts :) No, (I hope) I personally don't (pigeonhole). As I have noted in parallel to my everyday development work, which is mainly desktop and web services Windows apps, I'm also learning the new technologies (via PluralSight, tech. books , articles etc.) with HTML5, CSS3, JavaScript, jQuery, Knockout, SPA, RESTful web services, multi-platform mobile apps being "the main targets". And all that "main targets" can be achieved using Win7/Win8, Visual Studio 2012, SQL Server (Express) and relatively inexpensive but effective enough IIS-based Web hosting... You know I have worked with many information media, technologies and programming languages starting with punch tapes and cards, mainframes, minicomputers, macro-assemblers, PL/I, C, C++, Pascal,... used to use command line (in RSX-11M/PDP-11) quite a lot, patched RSX-11M core to get my system utilities to work... - and currently I and my customers are satisfied with MS Windows and Windows-based custom software development is that desktop or web services or web sites... Let's get back to this thread subject in January 2014? -- Shamil ???????, 15 ?????? 2013, 1:52 -08:00 ?? Hans-Christian Andersen : >Kicking the can down the road, are we? > >;) > > >On 2013-01-15, at 1:43 AM, Salakhetdinov Shamil < mcp2004 at mail.ru > wrote: > >> Hi Jim and Hans -- >> >> <<< >> So the truth is we will have to wait and see and re-visit this topic in >> another year and then it will be obvious whose crystal ball was clearest. >>>>> >> Yes. It could be more obvious... >> >> -- Shamil >> >> >> ???????????, 14 ?????? 2013, 19:18 -08:00 ?? "Jim Lawrence" < accessd at shaw.ca >: >>> Good article. >>> >>> The one point that has been made is that it is not Linux that is fighting to >>> get a spot on the desktop (fact is they do NO advertising or promote) but >>> that Microsoft by its current products and attitude has caused this huge >>> vacuum on the PC desktop. >>> >>> We each live in a tiny micro-cosmos of the computer world and you are making >>> your assessment from your immediate clients and I am doing the same. >>> >>> So the truth is we will have to wait and see and re-visit this topic in >>> another year and then it will be obvious whose crystal ball was clearest. >>> >>> Jim >> <<< skipped >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From hans.andersen at phulse.com Wed Jan 16 01:43:11 2013 From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2013 23:43:11 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] PCs are here to stay In-Reply-To: <1358251156.558375602@f43.mail.ru> References: <1358246905.848011601@f202.mail.ru> <1358251156.558375602@f43.mail.ru> Message-ID: Well, I was personally more interested in the discussion about how Linux in the server market. I was only pointing out, in response to your email, that Microsoft's claim of 60 million Windows 8 desktop licenses sold is misleading and that Microsoft is unwilling to clarify those numbers... which is curious. - Hans On 2013-01-15, at 3:59 AM, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote: > Hans -- > > "kicking the can down the road" vs. "pigeonhole" (Russian: '??????????? ? ?????? ????') :) - in local meaning "(keeping) kicking something" is (usually) a (long lasting, periodic) action, which requires some efforts, and "pigeonhole" is a complete inactivity after the initial action of "putting something into a 'pigeon-hole'". I meant "pigeonhole till January 2014" the analysis of stats of PC market OSes usage. > > I didn't mean to stop this discussion thread on what tasks/jobs are more suitable for PCs running Windows (8) and what for Linux, what are their TCO etc. > > -- Shamil > > ???????, 15 ?????? 2013, 3:09 -08:00 ?? Hans-Christian Andersen : >> There is a key difference between the two idioms. In the example of "kicking the can down the road", the presumption is that you aim to continue delaying this decision even further down the road (alas, you keep kicking the can down the road or "lets go back to this thread in 2015... 2016... etc"). This sort of thing is not implied with pigeonholing (at least not in common English to my knowledge). >> >> I thought this was a discussion of current events though. I see no reason why we cannot express our opinion as it stands today. It is very unlikely we will continue this thread a year from now. I'm pretty certain of that. >> >> - Hans >> >> >> >> On 2013-01-15, at 2:48 AM, Salakhetdinov Shamil < mcp2004 at mail.ru > wrote: >> >>> Hi Hans -- >>> >>> "Kicking the can down the road" ;) BTW, the local equivalent would be an idiomatic expression sounding in English as "pigeonhole". We don't have the cans to kick down the roads or roads are not so good here and are mainly flat so managing to kick the cans down far enough would require quite some efforts :) >>> >>> No, (I hope) I personally don't (pigeonhole). >>> >>> As I have noted in parallel to my everyday development work, which is mainly desktop and web services Windows apps, I'm also learning the new technologies (via PluralSight, tech. books , articles etc.) with HTML5, CSS3, JavaScript, jQuery, Knockout, SPA, RESTful web services, multi-platform mobile apps being "the main targets". And all that "main targets" can be achieved using Win7/Win8, Visual Studio 2012, SQL Server (Express) and relatively inexpensive but effective enough IIS-based Web hosting... >>> >>> You know I have worked with many information media, technologies and programming languages starting with punch tapes and cards, mainframes, minicomputers, macro-assemblers, PL/I, C, C++, Pascal,... used to use command line (in RSX-11M/PDP-11) quite a lot, patched RSX-11M core to get my system utilities to work... - and currently I and my customers are satisfied with MS Windows and Windows-based custom software development is that desktop or web services or web sites... >>> >>> Let's get back to this thread subject in January 2014? >>> >>> -- Shamil >>> >>> ???????, 15 ?????? 2013, 1:52 -08:00 ?? Hans-Christian Andersen < hans.andersen at phulse.com >: >>>> Kicking the can down the road, are we? >>>> >>>> ;) > <<< skipped >>> >> > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From mcp2004 at mail.ru Wed Jan 16 06:31:57 2013 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 16:31:57 +0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?PCs_are_here_to_stay?= In-Reply-To: References: <1358251156.558375602@f43.mail.ru> Message-ID: <1358339517.211601855@f147.mail.ru> Hi Hans -- I have just accidentally got read the following? Ward Cunningham's (?@WardCunningham) tweet from 12th of January, 2013: "Servers no longer serve, they possess. We should call them possessors." If I'm not wrong with my understanding of the verb "possess" ( save, keep, maintain, preserve, retain, hold (down),? withhold ) he uses then that tweet is in accordance with my current "pure servers" market understanding - I mean, servers, and SMB-market servers especially, are becoming more and more "possessors" or just keepers of backup data - files, media, databases with true (IT/automation) services going served via "Cloud" - whatever server technology is used to keep the cloud services functioning. And here TCO would be mainly "cloud" hosting costs assuming development and consulting costs are nearly equal and backup local servers costs could be neglected. Desktop hosts for MS Windows-driven PC would be higher but not that much for my customers to concern. Please correct me if you think I'm wrong and you see that SMB servers role is in fact growing nowadays. (I'm putting?corporate lan/wan servers out of my view as I'm not working for large business/corporations...) <<< I was only pointing out, in response to your email, that Microsoft's claim of 60 million Windows 8 desktop licenses sold is misleading and that Microsoft is unwilling to clarify those numbers... which is curious. >>> OK - this is why I proposed to "pigeonhole" discussing that stats till January 2014 when, I suppose, there will be no way for MS to publish "misleading" stats... Thank you. -- Shamil ???????, 15 ?????? 2013, 23:43 -08:00 ?? Hans-Christian Andersen : > >Well, I was personally more interested in the discussion about how Linux in the server market. I was only pointing out, in response to your email, that Microsoft's claim of 60 million Windows 8 desktop licenses sold is misleading and that Microsoft is unwilling to clarify those numbers... which is curious. > >- Hans > > <<< skipped >>> > From mcp2004 at mail.ru Wed Jan 16 06:43:58 2013 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 16:43:58 +0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?PCs_are_here_to_stay?= In-Reply-To: <5983A5427DCF489D8E54B9B75F0B63BC@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <1358246905.848011601@f202.mail.ru> <5983A5427DCF489D8E54B9B75F0B63BC@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <1358340238.175148716@f147.mail.ru> Hi Jim -- <<< No, hardly "kicking the can down the road" but we now have to wait to see is?all the predictions by the "reported" experts and our observations comes?true. >>> Yes. <<< What I find most exciting is it appears that no longer is there an immediate?threat that one of two companies to completely rule the direction the?computer industry. >>> Yes, I hope too. <<< Unfortunately, Microsoft's 95 percent control of the industry crushed out much of new technology growth. >>> I have my own "long list of claims" to MS but I'd not say that MS that much influenced "stagnation/crushing of technology growth" in 90-ies and 00-ies - that "slow growth" was a usual "illness of growth" for the whole IT industry IMO. <<< It is a good time to be a?programmer. >>> I hope too. Although the custom apps development competition is so fierce nowadays that I often doubt that programming profession is a good choice for making a decent living: if being alone - it would work, but keeping a (large) family's household - that could be a (very) heavy duty... Thank you. -- Shamil ???????, 15 ?????? 2013, 19:17 -08:00 ?? "Jim Lawrence" : >No, hardly "kicking the can down the road" but we now have to wait to see is >all the predictions by the "reported" experts and our observations comes >true. > >What I find most exciting is it appears that no longer is there an immediate >threat that one of two companies to completely rule the direction the >computer industry. These breakups give opportunities for the creative >geniuses out there. There are more start-ups that ever before and more >successful one. More companies are popping up everywhere. There is more and >different technologies being tested and used. > >Unfortunately, Microsoft's 95 percent control of the industry crushed out >much of new technology growth. Now a days a tech can be anything they want >to be whether it is Windows, Apple, Linux, desktop, tablet, Smartphone, >cloud, SQL, NoSQL or any mixture of a thousand different flavours. > >The market, even though it has matured a lot, looks not unlike the industry >in the eighties, full of energy and creativity. It is a good time to be a >programmer. > >Jim <<< skipped >>> > From fuller.artful at gmail.com Wed Jan 16 10:38:35 2013 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 16:38:35 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [dba-Tech] Invitation to connect on LinkedIn Message-ID: <1979620836.2966075.1358354315682.JavaMail.app@ela4-app2320.prod> LinkedIn ------------ Discussion, I'd like to add you to my professional network on LinkedIn. - Arthur Arthur Fuller Computer Software Professional Toronto, Canada Area Confirm that you know Arthur Fuller: https://www.linkedin.com/e/4k6oap-hc0p35w5-s/isd/10526401191/1T85IUN_/?hs=false&tok=1vgVi6wRq6sBA1 -- You are receiving Invitation to Connect emails. Click to unsubscribe: http://www.linkedin.com/e/4k6oap-hc0p35w5-s/G8cm9vYlHPfNAdHLhmwrsql_O70ALchhLzPrsqg5o38U/goo/dba-tech%40databaseadvisors%2Ecom/20061/I3497349153_1/?hs=false&tok=1VeyGgpl66sBA1 (c) 2012 LinkedIn Corporation. 2029 Stierlin Ct, Mountain View, CA 94043, USA. From accessd at shaw.ca Wed Jan 16 10:54:27 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 08:54:27 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] PCs are here to stay In-Reply-To: <1358340238.175148716@f147.mail.ru> References: <1358246905.848011601@f202.mail.ru><5983A5427DCF489D8E54B9B75F0B63BC@creativesystemdesigns.com> <1358340238.175148716@f147.mail.ru> Message-ID: <2516D90AC1CE4A3F8929712DC1664C44@creativesystemdesigns.com> On your last comment I agree and would remark that the computer market, particularly the desktop market is filled with too many people. The market is still flooded in that area as every boy and girl from the late nineties thought they were going on to make their fame and fortune in computers. Desktop centric anything is not where the new work is and neither is building applications for the desktop and that is the same for any OS. The growing demand in the computer industry is for creating business to business applications and supporting the server based market associated with their ecommerce web sites. This area is still much larger than the number of people needed to fill it. In summary, the web and related server market is where the money is and the desktop market is now completely saturated. Unfortunately, if a developer/tech is looking for a career in the current server/web/big data management market, Microsoft definitely has a very small presents there ...around five to ten percent and I am being charitable. If you want to make the really big money then you have to create you own applications that fills a gap in the market. I always check out sites like KickStarter (and there is many more similar site), to see what projects are hot: http://www.kickstarter.com/discover/categories/open%20software?ref=sidebar and check out Github: https://github.com/ where all the best developer go. Many work on OSS projects to build up their reputations, which gives them an opportunity to pick lucrative side contracts or to find other like minded techs to assist them with a new project. Big companies also scan these sites for their next big team players and project managers. It is worthy to note, that single free-lancers, do not do as well as those who have and can demonstrate project experience of working with others. I can/could still do well in the "mom and pop" market or just as a "hired gun" but that is because I have been in the business for about a hundred years and know everyone. ;-) Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov Shamil Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2013 4:44 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] PCs are here to stay Hi Jim -- <<< No, hardly "kicking the can down the road" but we now have to wait to see is?all the predictions by the "reported" experts and our observations comes?true. >>> Yes. <<< What I find most exciting is it appears that no longer is there an immediate?threat that one of two companies to completely rule the direction the?computer industry. >>> Yes, I hope too. <<< Unfortunately, Microsoft's 95 percent control of the industry crushed out much of new technology growth. >>> I have my own "long list of claims" to MS but I'd not say that MS that much influenced "stagnation/crushing of technology growth" in 90-ies and 00-ies - that "slow growth" was a usual "illness of growth" for the whole IT industry IMO. <<< It is a good time to be a?programmer. >>> I hope too. Although the custom apps development competition is so fierce nowadays that I often doubt that programming profession is a good choice for making a decent living: if being alone - it would work, but keeping a (large) family's household - that could be a (very) heavy duty... Thank you. -- Shamil ???????, 15 ?????? 2013, 19:17 -08:00 ?? "Jim Lawrence" : >No, hardly "kicking the can down the road" but we now have to wait to see is >all the predictions by the "reported" experts and our observations comes >true. > >What I find most exciting is it appears that no longer is there an immediate >threat that one of two companies to completely rule the direction the >computer industry. These breakups give opportunities for the creative >geniuses out there. There are more start-ups that ever before and more >successful one. More companies are popping up everywhere. There is more and >different technologies being tested and used. > >Unfortunately, Microsoft's 95 percent control of the industry crushed out >much of new technology growth. Now a days a tech can be anything they want >to be whether it is Windows, Apple, Linux, desktop, tablet, Smartphone, >cloud, SQL, NoSQL or any mixture of a thousand different flavours. > >The market, even though it has matured a lot, looks not unlike the industry >in the eighties, full of energy and creativity. It is a good time to be a >programmer. > >Jim <<< skipped >>> > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Wed Jan 16 10:56:11 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 08:56:11 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Invitation to connect on LinkedIn In-Reply-To: <1979620836.2966075.1358354315682.JavaMail.app@ela4-app2320.prod> References: <1979620836.2966075.1358354315682.JavaMail.app@ela4-app2320.prod> Message-ID: <427068CFBE2D4FDB859FCD989F6F5BA4@creativesystemdesigns.com> What's this Arthur? Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2013 8:39 AM To: Discussion issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Invitation to connect on LinkedIn LinkedIn ------------ Discussion, I'd like to add you to my professional network on LinkedIn. - Arthur Arthur Fuller Computer Software Professional Toronto, Canada Area Confirm that you know Arthur Fuller: https://www.linkedin.com/e/4k6oap-hc0p35w5-s/isd/10526401191/1T85IUN_/?hs=fa lse&tok=1vgVi6wRq6sBA1 -- You are receiving Invitation to Connect emails. Click to unsubscribe: http://www.linkedin.com/e/4k6oap-hc0p35w5-s/G8cm9vYlHPfNAdHLhmwrsql_O70ALchh LzPrsqg5o38U/goo/dba-tech%40databaseadvisors%2Ecom/20061/I3497349153_1/?hs=f alse&tok=1VeyGgpl66sBA1 (c) 2012 LinkedIn Corporation. 2029 Stierlin Ct, Mountain View, CA 94043, USA. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Wed Jan 16 10:57:31 2013 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 08:57:31 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Invitation to connect on LinkedIn In-Reply-To: <1979620836.2966075.1358354315682.JavaMail.app@ela4-app2320.prod> References: <1979620836.2966075.1358354315682.JavaMail.app@ela4-app2320.prod> Message-ID: Done! -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2013 8:39 AM To: Discussion issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Invitation to connect on LinkedIn LinkedIn ------------ Discussion, I'd like to add you to my professional network on LinkedIn. - Arthur Arthur Fuller Computer Software Professional Toronto, Canada Area Confirm that you know Arthur Fuller: https://www.linkedin.com/e/4k6oap-hc0p35w5-s/isd/10526401191/1T85IUN_/?hs=fa lse&tok=1vgVi6wRq6sBA1 -- You are receiving Invitation to Connect emails. Click to unsubscribe: http://www.linkedin.com/e/4k6oap-hc0p35w5-s/G8cm9vYlHPfNAdHLhmwrsql_O70ALchh LzPrsqg5o38U/goo/dba-tech%40databaseadvisors%2Ecom/20061/I3497349153_1/?hs=f alse&tok=1VeyGgpl66sBA1 (c) 2012 LinkedIn Corporation. 2029 Stierlin Ct, Mountain View, CA 94043, USA. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Wed Jan 16 11:01:42 2013 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 17:01:42 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [dba-Tech] Invitation to connect on LinkedIn Message-ID: <979838868.3152177.1358355702903.JavaMail.app@ela4-app2308.prod> LinkedIn ------------ Discussion, I'd like to add you to my professional network on LinkedIn. - Arthur Arthur Fuller Computer Software Professional Toronto, Canada Area Confirm that you know Arthur Fuller: https://www.linkedin.com/e/4k6oap-hc0pwvv6-69/isd/10526401191/1T85IUN_/?hs=false&tok=3TuHN7Py2tsBA1 -- You are receiving Invitation to Connect emails. Click to unsubscribe: http://www.linkedin.com/e/4k6oap-hc0pwvv6-69/G8cm9vYlHPfNAdHLhmwrsql_O70ALchhLzPrsqg5o38U/goo/dba-tech%40databaseadvisors%2Ecom/20061/I3497514704_1/?hs=false&tok=2BHsrmV46tsBA1 (c) 2012 LinkedIn Corporation. 2029 Stierlin Ct, Mountain View, CA 94043, USA. From hans.andersen at phulse.com Wed Jan 16 13:45:00 2013 From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 11:45:00 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] PCs are here to stay In-Reply-To: <1358339517.211601855@f147.mail.ru> References: <1358251156.558375602@f43.mail.ru> <1358339517.211601855@f147.mail.ru> Message-ID: Ward Cunningham can call it what he likes. In my opinion, calling it a "possessor" rather than a "server" is just a way of describing of how your data is being handled and was a political statement by Ward. As far as I'm concerned, a server is a computer that provides a service or services in which one or more users interact with through a client of some sort and not directly (ie. monitor, keyboard and mouse). And all those servers (or possessors) need to run an operating system with a software stack on top. > Please correct me if you think I'm wrong and you see that SMB servers role is in fact growing nowadays. (I'm putting corporate lan/wan servers out of my view as I'm not working for large business/corporations...) I would argue it is growing, but, even if it weren't the case, why are we are only focusing here on SMB servers, when that is only a small fraction of what Linux servers do in this world? > OK - this is why I proposed to "pigeonhole" discussing that stats till January 2014 when, I suppose, there will be no way for MS to publish "misleading" stats... It is still curious that they would do that. - Hans On 2013-01-16, at 4:31 AM, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote: > Hi Hans -- > > I have just accidentally got read the following Ward Cunningham's (?@WardCunningham) tweet from 12th of January, 2013: > > "Servers no longer serve, they possess. We should call them possessors." If I'm not wrong with my understanding of the verb "possess" ( save, keep, maintain, preserve, retain, hold (down), withhold ) he uses then that tweet is in accordance with my current "pure servers" market understanding - I mean, servers, and SMB-market servers especially, are becoming more and more "possessors" or just keepers of backup data - files, media, databases with true (IT/automation) services going served via "Cloud" - whatever server technology is used to keep the cloud services functioning. And here TCO would be mainly "cloud" hosting costs assuming development and consulting costs are nearly equal and backup local servers costs could be neglected. Desktop hosts for MS Windows-driven PC would be higher but not that much for my customers to concern. Please correct me if you think I'm wrong and you see that SMB servers role is in fact growing nowadays. (I'm putting corporate lan/wan servers out of my view as I'm not working for large business/corporations...) > > <<< > I was only pointing out, in response to your email, that Microsoft's claim of 60 million Windows 8 > desktop licenses sold is misleading and that Microsoft is unwilling to clarify those numbers... which is curious. >>>> > OK - this is why I proposed to "pigeonhole" discussing that stats till January 2014 when, I suppose, there will be no way for MS to publish "misleading" stats... > > > Thank you. > > -- Shamil > > > ???????, 15 ?????? 2013, 23:43 -08:00 ?? Hans-Christian Andersen : >> >> Well, I was personally more interested in the discussion about how Linux in the server market. I was only pointing out, in response to your email, that Microsoft's claim of 60 million Windows 8 desktop licenses sold is misleading and that Microsoft is unwilling to clarify those numbers... which is curious. >> >> - Hans >> >> > <<< skipped >>> >> > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From marklbreen at gmail.com Thu Jan 17 11:20:05 2013 From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2013 17:20:05 +0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Now that google apps is not free what do we do for cloud email Message-ID: Hello All, Since Sept 2006 I have been using Google Apps for company based email for my clients. As you may know, as of Dec 6th 2012, google no longer offer this service for free. It must now be paid for at a rate of US$50 Per user per year. For a small company 5 - 10 employees, this is not expensive, but over 5 years, it still amounts to 1250 - 2500. In my opinion, it is still good value for what you get, but I wonder what you use if you want to have company based *cloud *email for free. Any recommendations ? Mark From accessd at shaw.ca Thu Jan 17 12:20:22 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2013 10:20:22 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Now that google apps is not free what do we do for cloudemail In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Google mail is still free and if you need a free office product try Libra Office (It is OSS so there are not limits or licensing issues) and even Microsoft has 25 GB of free Cloud space for a shared file directory and then there is dropbox with 10-20GB available. The tools are all there just have to do some creative thinking. If you want to stretch further, you can hack some Linux box together and you can have unlimited remote sessions through your remote desktop (limited of course by resources). You can add in Apache and have remote access from anywhere through the WebServer. Then there is OpenVPN... Even with Microsoft, just put a shared folder on a client's server and set it up so it can be accessed from anywhere in the network and externally though Microsoft's Remote desktop but you are only allows two remote sessions, for free. There are many other options that can save your client thousands. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2013 9:20 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Now that google apps is not free what do we do for cloudemail Hello All, Since Sept 2006 I have been using Google Apps for company based email for my clients. As you may know, as of Dec 6th 2012, google no longer offer this service for free. It must now be paid for at a rate of US$50 Per user per year. For a small company 5 - 10 employees, this is not expensive, but over 5 years, it still amounts to 1250 - 2500. In my opinion, it is still good value for what you get, but I wonder what you use if you want to have company based *cloud *email for free. Any recommendations ? Mark _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From john at winhaven.net Thu Jan 17 18:34:30 2013 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2013 18:34:30 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Now that google apps is not free what do we do for cloud email In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <01cf01cdf513$94a00070$bde00150$@winhaven.net> Wow, that's more expensive than using MS 365! I would go back to using a low cost domain, host and PC app. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2013 11:20 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Now that google apps is not free what do we do for cloud email Hello All, Since Sept 2006 I have been using Google Apps for company based email for my clients. As you may know, as of Dec 6th 2012, google no longer offer this service for free. It must now be paid for at a rate of US$50 Per user per year. For a small company 5 - 10 employees, this is not expensive, but over 5 years, it still amounts to 1250 - 2500. In my opinion, it is still good value for what you get, but I wonder what you use if you want to have company based *cloud *email for free. Any recommendations ? Mark _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From hans.andersen at phulse.com Thu Jan 17 21:57:47 2013 From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2013 19:57:47 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Now that google apps is not free what do we do for cloud email In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <70C84E67-D580-4C14-8956-A25669B4D8EA@phulse.com> If you want something free or low cost, perhaps Zimbra might be of interest to you. It's a collaboration server and they have a free open source version. You get email, chat, calendar, contacts, shared document storage, etc. You have to host it on a server, but it's really quite easy to install and maintain and has a web admin interface for managing your accounts and email services. The cost would be as much as it costs for you to host a server (in your office or some VPS out there). We've been using it at my company for 5+ years. It's quite stable and reliable to use for businesses. It has a web-based interface for checking your mail and contact management and calendar, etc etc so you can access your emails where ever you like or on the go. But, you can, of course, also just connect Outlook, your phone or whatever other email client application via IMAP. http://www.zimbra.com/products/zimbra-open-source.html It's great. The only downside I can think of is that it's not very good for sending high volumes of email, like if you do mass volume mail marketing (but then you would probably be better off having a dedicated server with a highly tuned postfix daemon for that) . But for normal, every day use, it works like a charm and I haven't see any other open source alternatives that quite has the same level of polish, range of productivity features and easy of installation/maintenance. Also, if it's important, for a fee, you can also get a MS Exchange adaptor that lets Outlook connect to it as if it was an Exchange server and do all that extra integration stuff that you can do with an Exchange server. But it costs money, because it is proprietary Microsoft technology and you have to pay them a license fee for that. - Hans On 2013-01-17, at 9:20 AM, Mark Breen wrote: > Hello All, > > Since Sept 2006 I have been using Google Apps for company based email for > my clients. > > As you may know, as of Dec 6th 2012, google no longer offer this service > for free. It must now be paid for at a rate of US$50 Per user per year. > For a small company 5 - 10 employees, this is not expensive, but over 5 > years, it still amounts to 1250 - 2500. > > In my opinion, it is still good value for what you get, but I wonder what > you use if you want to have company based *cloud *email for free. > > Any recommendations ? > > Mark > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From john at winhaven.net Thu Jan 17 22:42:23 2013 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2013 22:42:23 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Now that google apps is not free what do we do for cloud email In-Reply-To: <70C84E67-D580-4C14-8956-A25669B4D8EA@phulse.com> References: <70C84E67-D580-4C14-8956-A25669B4D8EA@phulse.com> Message-ID: <01e201cdf536$35771c50$a06554f0$@winhaven.net> Thanks, I'm going to check out this option. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hans-Christian Andersen Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2013 9:58 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Now that google apps is not free what do we do for cloud email If you want something free or low cost, perhaps Zimbra might be of interest to you. It's a collaboration server and they have a free open source version. You get email, chat, calendar, contacts, shared document storage, etc. You have to host it on a server, but it's really quite easy to install and maintain and has a web admin interface for managing your accounts and email services. The cost would be as much as it costs for you to host a server (in your office or some VPS out there). We've been using it at my company for 5+ years. It's quite stable and reliable to use for businesses. It has a web-based interface for checking your mail and contact management and calendar, etc etc so you can access your emails where ever you like or on the go. But, you can, of course, also just connect Outlook, your phone or whatever other email client application via IMAP. http://www.zimbra.com/products/zimbra-open-source.html It's great. The only downside I can think of is that it's not very good for sending high volumes of email, like if you do mass volume mail marketing (but then you would probably be better off having a dedicated server with a highly tuned postfix daemon for that) . But for normal, every day use, it works like a charm and I haven't see any other open source alternatives that quite has the same level of polish, range of productivity features and easy of installation/maintenance. Also, if it's important, for a fee, you can also get a MS Exchange adaptor that lets Outlook connect to it as if it was an Exchange server and do all that extra integration stuff that you can do with an Exchange server. But it costs money, because it is proprietary Microsoft technology and you have to pay them a license fee for that. - Hans On 2013-01-17, at 9:20 AM, Mark Breen wrote: > Hello All, > > Since Sept 2006 I have been using Google Apps for company based email > for my clients. > > As you may know, as of Dec 6th 2012, google no longer offer this > service for free. It must now be paid for at a rate of US$50 Per user per year. > For a small company 5 - 10 employees, this is not expensive, but over > 5 years, it still amounts to 1250 - 2500. > > In my opinion, it is still good value for what you get, but I wonder > what you use if you want to have company based *cloud *email for free. > > Any recommendations ? > > Mark > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From marklbreen at gmail.com Fri Jan 18 03:34:14 2013 From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2013 09:34:14 +0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Now that google apps is not free what do we do for cloud email In-Reply-To: <70C84E67-D580-4C14-8956-A25669B4D8EA@phulse.com> References: <70C84E67-D580-4C14-8956-A25669B4D8EA@phulse.com> Message-ID: Hello Hans-Christian, I have just viewed the video for Zimbra and it looks like a lovely product. The features of gmail that I liked were 1) quick to set up 2) free so it was no biggie even for very small clients 3) Web interface, so no local files on laptops or pcs 4) no software to install anywhere, no backups, no servers to go down In summary, it caused me zero worry. Zimbra would satisify the first three, and I suppose if I have a cloud based server, I could assume it would never go down, but I would still be an email administrator. Not sure if I really want that. On the other hand, I could create my own Zimbra server and offer email services to anyone that wanted it - but that is not core business for me. What do you typically use for a client, the web interface or a local client such as Thunderbird? Do you have a spam filter built into Zimbra ? thanks for informing us of a lovely product. Mark On 18 January 2013 03:57, Hans-Christian Andersen wrote: > > If you want something free or low cost, perhaps Zimbra might be of > interest to you. It's a collaboration server and they have a free open > source version. You get email, chat, calendar, contacts, shared document > storage, etc. You have to host it on a server, but it's really quite easy > to install and maintain and has a web admin interface for managing your > accounts and email services. The cost would be as much as it costs for you > to host a server (in your office or some VPS out there). > > We've been using it at my company for 5+ years. It's quite stable and > reliable to use for businesses. It has a web-based interface for checking > your mail and contact management and calendar, etc etc so you can access > your emails where ever you like or on the go. But, you can, of course, also > just connect Outlook, your phone or whatever other email client application > via IMAP. > > http://www.zimbra.com/products/zimbra-open-source.html > > It's great. The only downside I can think of is that it's not very good > for sending high volumes of email, like if you do mass volume mail > marketing (but then you would probably be better off having a dedicated > server with a highly tuned postfix daemon for that) . But for normal, every > day use, it works like a charm and I haven't see any other open source > alternatives that quite has the same level of polish, range of productivity > features and easy of installation/maintenance. > > Also, if it's important, for a fee, you can also get a MS Exchange adaptor > that lets Outlook connect to it as if it was an Exchange server and do all > that extra integration stuff that you can do with an Exchange server. But > it costs money, because it is proprietary Microsoft technology and you have > to pay them a license fee for that. > > > - Hans > > > > On 2013-01-17, at 9:20 AM, Mark Breen wrote: > > > Hello All, > > > > Since Sept 2006 I have been using Google Apps for company based email for > > my clients. > > > > As you may know, as of Dec 6th 2012, google no longer offer this service > > for free. It must now be paid for at a rate of US$50 Per user per year. > > For a small company 5 - 10 employees, this is not expensive, but over 5 > > years, it still amounts to 1250 - 2500. > > > > In my opinion, it is still good value for what you get, but I wonder what > > you use if you want to have company based *cloud *email for free. > > > > Any recommendations ? > > > > Mark > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From gustav at cactus.dk Fri Jan 18 05:24:20 2013 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2013 12:24:20 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Now that google apps is not free what do we do for cloud email Message-ID: <005a01cdf56e$5c9eefa0$15dccee0$@cactus.dk> Hi Mark et al These days I wouldn't set up a mail server or service that didn't offer ActiveSync to sync mail with users' mobile phones or didn't offer a high-quality web interface for remote users' desktop. /gustav -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Mark Breen Sendt: 18. januar 2013 10:34 Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Now that google apps is not free what do we do for cloud email Hello Hans-Christian, I have just viewed the video for Zimbra and it looks like a lovely product. The features of gmail that I liked were 1) quick to set up 2) free so it was no biggie even for very small clients 3) Web interface, so no local files on laptops or pcs 4) no software to install anywhere, no backups, no servers to go down In summary, it caused me zero worry. Zimbra would satisify the first three, and I suppose if I have a cloud based server, I could assume it would never go down, but I would still be an email administrator. Not sure if I really want that. On the other hand, I could create my own Zimbra server and offer email services to anyone that wanted it - but that is not core business for me. What do you typically use for a client, the web interface or a local client such as Thunderbird? Do you have a spam filter built into Zimbra ? thanks for informing us of a lovely product. Mark On 18 January 2013 03:57, Hans-Christian Andersen wrote: > > If you want something free or low cost, perhaps Zimbra might be of > interest to you. It's a collaboration server and they have a free open > source version. You get email, chat, calendar, contacts, shared > document storage, etc. You have to host it on a server, but it's > really quite easy to install and maintain and has a web admin > interface for managing your accounts and email services. The cost > would be as much as it costs for you to host a server (in your office or some VPS out there). > > We've been using it at my company for 5+ years. It's quite stable and > reliable to use for businesses. It has a web-based interface for > checking your mail and contact management and calendar, etc etc so you > can access your emails where ever you like or on the go. But, you can, > of course, also just connect Outlook, your phone or whatever other > email client application via IMAP. > > http://www.zimbra.com/products/zimbra-open-source.html > > It's great. The only downside I can think of is that it's not very > good for sending high volumes of email, like if you do mass volume > mail marketing (but then you would probably be better off having a > dedicated server with a highly tuned postfix daemon for that) . But > for normal, every day use, it works like a charm and I haven't see any > other open source alternatives that quite has the same level of > polish, range of productivity features and easy of installation/maintenance. > > Also, if it's important, for a fee, you can also get a MS Exchange > adaptor that lets Outlook connect to it as if it was an Exchange > server and do all that extra integration stuff that you can do with an > Exchange server. But it costs money, because it is proprietary > Microsoft technology and you have to pay them a license fee for that. > > > - Hans > > > > On 2013-01-17, at 9:20 AM, Mark Breen wrote: > > > Hello All, > > > > Since Sept 2006 I have been using Google Apps for company based > > email for my clients. > > > > As you may know, as of Dec 6th 2012, google no longer offer this > > service for free. It must now be paid for at a rate of US$50 Per user per year. > > For a small company 5 - 10 employees, this is not expensive, but > > over 5 years, it still amounts to 1250 - 2500. > > > > In my opinion, it is still good value for what you get, but I wonder > > what you use if you want to have company based *cloud *email for free. > > > > Any recommendations ? > > > > Mark > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From hans.andersen at phulse.com Fri Jan 18 05:36:48 2013 From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2013 03:36:48 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Now that google apps is not free what do we do for cloud email In-Reply-To: References: <70C84E67-D580-4C14-8956-A25669B4D8EA@phulse.com> Message-ID: <266829D8-8AD4-42A0-A577-1F5F239931DD@phulse.com> Hi Mark, Ya, nr 4 is a problem if you don't want the overhead of maintaining the server, but, in all honesty, it is really quite reliable and a backup procedure is quite straightforward without much effort. I could give you a few tips on that if you are still interested. Regarding clients, I personally just use the web interface, but my company uses Thunderbird for the most part. Outlook works just as well and any other client that supports IMAP, which should be most of them these days. Even Eudora supports IMAP. :p But the web interface works very well, is quite fast and the interface is polished and modern and so I just use that. It even has an optional template to look nearly identical to Gmail. :) Also, Zimbra does provide a native desktop client, which fully integrates with the Zimbra server as well along with the same look and feel. I can send you think link if that interests you. Regarding spam, Zimbra uses spam assassin, which does quite a decent job of filtering spam and Zimbra does do adaptive learning and also allows you to set up filtering, etc. If not good enough, there are plenty of cheap 3rd party services that can do that for you as well at a minimal cost and difficulty, such as mailroute.net ... If you feel it is necessary! I have to admit, Googles spam filtering is really quite remarkably good. Before switching to Google Apps, I used to route my personal email through Gmail and then have it forward to my primary account. It worked quite well, for such a round about set up, but I have since switched entirely to google apps for my personal email for a while now. I am also very annoyed about Googles recent change of heart. But, if I had a spare server, I would definitely consider Zimbra. :) Best regards, Hans-Christian Andersen On 18 Jan 2013, at 01:34, Mark Breen wrote: > Hello Hans-Christian, > > I have just viewed the video for Zimbra and it looks like a lovely product. > > The features of gmail that I liked were > > 1) quick to set up > 2) free so it was no biggie even for very small clients > 3) Web interface, so no local files on laptops or pcs > 4) no software to install anywhere, no backups, no servers to go down > > In summary, it caused me zero worry. > > Zimbra would satisify the first three, and I suppose if I have a cloud > based server, I could assume it would never go down, but I would still be > an email administrator. Not sure if I really want that. > > On the other hand, I could create my own Zimbra server and offer email > services to anyone that wanted it - but that is not core business for me. > > What do you typically use for a client, the web interface or a local client > such as Thunderbird? > > Do you have a spam filter built into Zimbra ? > > thanks for informing us of a lovely product. > > > Mark > > > > > > On 18 January 2013 03:57, Hans-Christian Andersen > wrote: > >> >> If you want something free or low cost, perhaps Zimbra might be of >> interest to you. It's a collaboration server and they have a free open >> source version. You get email, chat, calendar, contacts, shared document >> storage, etc. You have to host it on a server, but it's really quite easy >> to install and maintain and has a web admin interface for managing your >> accounts and email services. The cost would be as much as it costs for you >> to host a server (in your office or some VPS out there). >> >> We've been using it at my company for 5+ years. It's quite stable and >> reliable to use for businesses. It has a web-based interface for checking >> your mail and contact management and calendar, etc etc so you can access >> your emails where ever you like or on the go. But, you can, of course, also >> just connect Outlook, your phone or whatever other email client application >> via IMAP. >> >> http://www.zimbra.com/products/zimbra-open-source.html >> >> It's great. The only downside I can think of is that it's not very good >> for sending high volumes of email, like if you do mass volume mail >> marketing (but then you would probably be better off having a dedicated >> server with a highly tuned postfix daemon for that) . But for normal, every >> day use, it works like a charm and I haven't see any other open source >> alternatives that quite has the same level of polish, range of productivity >> features and easy of installation/maintenance. >> >> Also, if it's important, for a fee, you can also get a MS Exchange adaptor >> that lets Outlook connect to it as if it was an Exchange server and do all >> that extra integration stuff that you can do with an Exchange server. But >> it costs money, because it is proprietary Microsoft technology and you have >> to pay them a license fee for that. >> >> >> - Hans >> >> >> >> On 2013-01-17, at 9:20 AM, Mark Breen wrote: >> >>> Hello All, >>> >>> Since Sept 2006 I have been using Google Apps for company based email for >>> my clients. >>> >>> As you may know, as of Dec 6th 2012, google no longer offer this service >>> for free. It must now be paid for at a rate of US$50 Per user per year. >>> For a small company 5 - 10 employees, this is not expensive, but over 5 >>> years, it still amounts to 1250 - 2500. >>> >>> In my opinion, it is still good value for what you get, but I wonder what >>> you use if you want to have company based *cloud *email for free. >>> >>> Any recommendations ? >>> >>> Mark >>> _______________________________________________ >>> dba-Tech mailing list >>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From hans.andersen at phulse.com Fri Jan 18 05:41:55 2013 From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2013 03:41:55 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Now that google apps is not free what do we do for cloud email In-Reply-To: <005a01cdf56e$5c9eefa0$15dccee0$@cactus.dk> References: <005a01cdf56e$5c9eefa0$15dccee0$@cactus.dk> Message-ID: <308DF861-5722-4F4E-964E-DB11FF765078@phulse.com> Hi Gustav, Just so you know, ActiveSync is now a defunct piece of software. The last release was in 2007; 6 years ago. mvh, Hans-Christian Andersen On 18 Jan 2013, at 03:24, "Gustav Brock" wrote: > Hi Mark et al > > These days I wouldn't set up a mail server or service that didn't offer > ActiveSync to sync mail with users' mobile phones or didn't offer a > high-quality web interface for remote users' desktop. > > /gustav > > > -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- > Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Mark Breen > Sendt: 18. januar 2013 10:34 > Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Now that google apps is not free what do we do for > cloud email > Hello Hans-Christian, > > I have just viewed the video for Zimbra and it looks like a lovely product. > > The features of gmail that I liked were > > 1) quick to set up > 2) free so it was no biggie even for very small clients > 3) Web interface, so no local files on laptops or pcs > 4) no software to install anywhere, no backups, no servers to go down > > In summary, it caused me zero worry. > > Zimbra would satisify the first three, and I suppose if I have a cloud based > server, I could assume it would never go down, but I would still be an email > administrator. Not sure if I really want that. > > On the other hand, I could create my own Zimbra server and offer email > services to anyone that wanted it - but that is not core business for me. > > What do you typically use for a client, the web interface or a local client > such as Thunderbird? > > Do you have a spam filter built into Zimbra ? > > thanks for informing us of a lovely product. > > > Mark > > > > > > On 18 January 2013 03:57, Hans-Christian Andersen > wrote: > >> >> If you want something free or low cost, perhaps Zimbra might be of >> interest to you. It's a collaboration server and they have a free open >> source version. You get email, chat, calendar, contacts, shared >> document storage, etc. You have to host it on a server, but it's >> really quite easy to install and maintain and has a web admin >> interface for managing your accounts and email services. The cost >> would be as much as it costs for you to host a server (in your office or > some VPS out there). >> >> We've been using it at my company for 5+ years. It's quite stable and >> reliable to use for businesses. It has a web-based interface for >> checking your mail and contact management and calendar, etc etc so you >> can access your emails where ever you like or on the go. But, you can, >> of course, also just connect Outlook, your phone or whatever other >> email client application via IMAP. >> >> http://www.zimbra.com/products/zimbra-open-source.html >> >> It's great. The only downside I can think of is that it's not very >> good for sending high volumes of email, like if you do mass volume >> mail marketing (but then you would probably be better off having a >> dedicated server with a highly tuned postfix daemon for that) . But >> for normal, every day use, it works like a charm and I haven't see any >> other open source alternatives that quite has the same level of >> polish, range of productivity features and easy of > installation/maintenance. >> >> Also, if it's important, for a fee, you can also get a MS Exchange >> adaptor that lets Outlook connect to it as if it was an Exchange >> server and do all that extra integration stuff that you can do with an >> Exchange server. But it costs money, because it is proprietary >> Microsoft technology and you have to pay them a license fee for that. >> >> >> - Hans >> >> >> >> On 2013-01-17, at 9:20 AM, Mark Breen wrote: >> >>> Hello All, >>> >>> Since Sept 2006 I have been using Google Apps for company based >>> email for my clients. >>> >>> As you may know, as of Dec 6th 2012, google no longer offer this >>> service for free. It must now be paid for at a rate of US$50 Per user > per year. >>> For a small company 5 - 10 employees, this is not expensive, but >>> over 5 years, it still amounts to 1250 - 2500. >>> >>> In my opinion, it is still good value for what you get, but I wonder >>> what you use if you want to have company based *cloud *email for free. >>> >>> Any recommendations ? >>> >>> Mark >>> _______________________________________________ >>> dba-Tech mailing list >>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From gustav at cactus.dk Fri Jan 18 05:53:27 2013 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2013 12:53:27 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Now that google apps is not free what do we do for cloud email Message-ID: <005f01cdf572$6daca400$4905ec00$@cactus.dk> Hi Hans-Christian Oops, sorry. Then I can't recall the right name for the protocol Exchange uses to connect mobile devices. /gustav -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Hans-Christian Andersen Sendt: 18. januar 2013 12:42 Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Now that google apps is not free what do we do for cloud email Hi Gustav, Just so you know, ActiveSync is now a defunct piece of software. The last release was in 2007; 6 years ago. mvh, Hans-Christian Andersen From hans.andersen at phulse.com Fri Jan 18 06:10:31 2013 From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2013 04:10:31 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Now that google apps is not free what do we do for cloud email In-Reply-To: <005f01cdf572$6daca400$4905ec00$@cactus.dk> References: <005f01cdf572$6daca400$4905ec00$@cactus.dk> Message-ID: Hi Gustav, I don't think there is a specific name for any software that does that anymore. ActiveSync was replaced by Windows Mobile Device Center, which was then replaced by Zune Software, which was then replaced by Windows Phone App. But, at this point, it seems to only be related to syncing of multimedia and not email. Quoting from the wikipedia on Windows Phone App: (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Phone_App#Windows_Phone_App) "The Windows Phone app succeeds Zune Software as a sync application to transfer music, videos, and other multimedia files between Windows Phone 8 and a Windows computer or tablet. A version for Mac OSX computers is also available. Windows Phone does not support usual USB sync with Microsoft Outlook's Calendar, Contacts, Tasks and Notes as opposed to older versions of Windows Mobile with Desktop ActiveSync. Syncing Contacts and Appointments is done via a cloud-based service (Windows Live, Google, or Exchange Server) only. Microsoft provides no way to sync this personal information directly from a computer to a Windows Phone and back. Third party software, such as Akruto Sync is required in order to sync personal information directly, without relying on cloud-based services. A petition to Microsoft was filed to reinstate USB sync for Outlook." So, it seems that Microsoft has somewhat baked whatever ActiveSync used to be directly into the OS and Exchange in a cloud like service (much like Apple and Google does it) and it no longer has a distinctness to merit a name. Saying that, this seems highly proprietary to Windows Phone and most people do not have those (by a wide margin). It's all iPhones and Androids these days. - Hans On 2013-01-18, at 3:53 AM, "Gustav Brock" wrote: > Hi Hans-Christian > > Oops, sorry. Then I can't recall the right name for the protocol Exchange uses to connect mobile devices. > > /gustav > > > -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- > Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Hans-Christian Andersen > Sendt: 18. januar 2013 12:42 > Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Now that google apps is not free what do we do for cloud email > > Hi Gustav, > > Just so you know, ActiveSync is now a defunct piece of software. The last release was in 2007; 6 years ago. > > mvh, > Hans-Christian Andersen > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Fri Jan 18 09:19:50 2013 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2013 10:19:50 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Detecting the default browser Message-ID: I am in the process of downloading the latest beta of a product that I use. (I won't name it.) What puzzles me is that when I receive notifications that a new build is available for download, and click on the URLs to download the files, MS Internet Explorer is invoked, rather than Chrome, which is already open! There must be some simple way to detect what I've identified as my default browser; after all, every rare time that Internet Explorer is invoked, it can tell it's not my default -- it asks me every time whether I'd like to make it the default! So why can't other software vendors do the same? I also occasionally run FireFox, and it too notes that it is not my default browser This is also the case when I reply to certain emails. For example, I just decided to comment on one of Cringely's articles, and Outlook was invoked, even though gmail was already open. -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. -- Niels Bohr From accessd at shaw.ca Fri Jan 18 11:56:09 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2013 09:56:09 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] The new Cloud In-Reply-To: References: <70C84E67-D580-4C14-8956-A25669B4D8EA@phulse.com> Message-ID: <94FE74D6F4FF47369CF5C19B69F03FF4@creativesystemdesigns.com> For the last few years most of us have been listening to various reports on the expansion and growth of the cloud and some may even view it as a ominous threat on the horizon. We have each tried tentative steps into that environment via DropBox, SDExplorer, Amazon store, Ubuntu One, some pseudo internal clouds and so on. Right now unless, you or your company has deep pockets most of these solutions can be expensive and they provide little support, like even basic backups and security. As an IT tech, it will take as much time (more?) to manage your company's Cloud data as it takes to manage the company's servers. Enter the second generation of Cloud suppliers. There is now much more automated services built-in and data syncing available, right out of the box with less necessity to "roll your own" solutions. Amongst, numerous white-papers on the subject here is an overly short overview article on the new PaaS(Platform as a Service) or BaaS(Backend as a Service) features: http://venturebeat.com/2013/01/14/the-second-generation-of-cloud-startups-is -here/ ...for more and a better graph (one that can be read easily) see the following link: http://www.kinvey.com/blog/images/2013/01/kinvey_backend-as-a-service_mobile ecosystem_jan-14-2013_2100px.png If you are living in or have most of your work in the larger centers as an active Tech it will be very important to become versed in this subject. Jim From Gustav at cactus.dk Fri Jan 18 13:16:42 2013 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2013 20:16:42 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] The new Cloud Message-ID: Hi Jim Eh, ahem - my glasses must be covered with mud or my brain has switched to weekend mode or both ... /gustav >>> accessd at shaw.ca 18-01-13 18:56 >>> ...for more and a better graph (one that can be read easily) see the following link .. From hans.andersen at phulse.com Fri Jan 18 13:36:07 2013 From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2013 11:36:07 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] The new Cloud In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sounds like your brain is taking a PaaS on this. Ah ah ah ah... :) - Hans Sent from my iPhone On 2013-01-18, at 11:16 AM, "Gustav Brock" wrote: > Hi Jim > > Eh, ahem - my glasses must be covered with mud or my brain has switched to weekend mode or both ... > > /gustav > >>>> accessd at shaw.ca 18-01-13 18:56 >>> > ...for more and a better graph (one that can be read easily) see the following link .. > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From john at winhaven.net Fri Jan 18 15:05:54 2013 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2013 15:05:54 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Detecting the default browser In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <037d01cdf5bf$9ab00d00$d0102700$@winhaven.net> HI Arthur, It sounds like you need to use Windows Default Program Manger to assign the default program. Control Panel | Programs I think you'll figure it out from there. Good luck! John B. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Friday, January 18, 2013 9:20 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Detecting the default browser I am in the process of downloading the latest beta of a product that I use. (I won't name it.) What puzzles me is that when I receive notifications that a new build is available for download, and click on the URLs to download the files, MS Internet Explorer is invoked, rather than Chrome, which is already open! There must be some simple way to detect what I've identified as my default browser; after all, every rare time that Internet Explorer is invoked, it can tell it's not my default -- it asks me every time whether I'd like to make it the default! So why can't other software vendors do the same? I also occasionally run FireFox, and it too notes that it is not my default browser This is also the case when I reply to certain emails. For example, I just decided to comment on one of Cringely's articles, and Outlook was invoked, even though gmail was already open. -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. -- Niels Bohr _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From john at winhaven.net Fri Jan 18 15:13:58 2013 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2013 15:13:58 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Unbelievable stupidity in critical infrastructure. Message-ID: <037e01cdf5c0$bb198430$314c8c90$@winhaven.net> This just makes me wonder if anyone has any sense any more. http://www.eweek.com/security/usb-storage-drive-loaded-with-malware-shuts-do wn-power-plant/ From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Fri Jan 18 18:49:28 2013 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2013 10:49:28 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Microsoft's ARM blunder: 7 reasons why Windows RT was DOA In-Reply-To: <037e01cdf5c0$bb198430$314c8c90$@winhaven.net> References: <037e01cdf5c0$bb198430$314c8c90$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: <50F9ED98.28268.18EB13B1@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Redmond's low-rent tablet OS was doomed from the start http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/01/18/7_reasons_windows_rt_was_doa/ From accessd at shaw.ca Fri Jan 18 20:51:33 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2013 18:51:33 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Microsoft's ARM blunder: 7 reasons why Windows RT was DOA In-Reply-To: <50F9ED98.28268.18EB13B1@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <037e01cdf5c0$bb198430$314c8c90$@winhaven.net> <50F9ED98.28268.18EB13B1@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: Well, that seems to unanimous. ;-) Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Friday, January 18, 2013 4:49 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Microsoft's ARM blunder: 7 reasons why Windows RT was DOA Redmond's low-rent tablet OS was doomed from the start http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/01/18/7_reasons_windows_rt_was_doa/ _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From hans.andersen at phulse.com Fri Jan 18 22:51:37 2013 From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2013 20:51:37 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Microsoft's ARM blunder: 7 reasons why Windows RT was DOA In-Reply-To: <50F9ED98.28268.18EB13B1@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <037e01cdf5c0$bb198430$314c8c90$@winhaven.net> <50F9ED98.28268.18EB13B1@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <05D88F25-B808-498A-AA0B-53B7AC781A8D@phulse.com> Yeowch... Talk about blunt, scorching criticism. But, never the less, it seems about right. Best regards, Hans-Christian Andersen On 18 Jan 2013, at 16:49, "Stuart McLachlan" wrote: > Redmond's low-rent tablet OS was doomed from the start > > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/01/18/7_reasons_windows_rt_was_doa/ > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Sat Jan 19 12:03:52 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2013 10:03:52 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Ubuntu Phone In-Reply-To: <05D88F25-B808-498A-AA0B-53B7AC781A8D@phulse.com> References: <037e01cdf5c0$bb198430$314c8c90$@winhaven.net><50F9ED98.28268.18EB13B1@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <05D88F25-B808-498A-AA0B-53B7AC781A8D@phulse.com> Message-ID: <9F5BF75CB00C4CAA985E156F33B024C5@creativesystemdesigns.com> Ubuntu has developed its own phone OS but whether it is just a side project is yet to be seen as carriers have said they will support it and as long as they are allowed room to place some of their own advertisements. Right now the phone is supported on the Galaxy Nexus but that support will most likely be extended to some Nokia phones as it appears that Nokia is keeping its options open by developing support for Android, Ubuntu and Windows. Game companies like EA, Valve Software and Unity Technologies are already building and porting their apps to this device. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=cpWHJDLsqTU#! The Ubuntu phone: http://www.ubuntu.com/devices/phone As well as being able to design apps in HTML5/CSS3?JavaScript (Note: the development kit provides a full JavaScript to assembler compiler for greater performance), the phone's core development language and IDE are as follows Qt Creator IDE for creating cross-platform applications developed in C/C++ and QML http://qt.digia.com/ The QML language: http://developer.ubuntu.com/resources/programming-languages/qml/ and samples: http://doc.qt.digia.com/4.7/qdeclarativeintroduction.html or download the whole mobile kit from: http://developer.ubuntu.com/get-started/gomobile/ OS hardware requirements: According to Canonical a phone needs the following requirements:[6] 1. Dual-core 1 GHz CPU, 1Ghz Cortex A9, Quad-core A9 or Intel Atom. 2. Video acceleration: shared kernel driver with associated X driver; OpenGL, ES/EGL 3. Storage: 2 GB for OS disk image. (the OS can support up to 32GB of RAM and can run as a desktop) 4. Also supports ports like HDMI: video-out with secondary framebuffer device and USB host mode 5. Core OS will run in 512 MB RAM One comparison with the Windows Phone OS states it requires 2 GB of RAM, runs at less than a third of the speed of the Ubuntu phone and has no native Game company support, as of yet. You can just bring your Ubuntu phone home plug it into your PC/Laptop/Tablet and have access the full Ubuntu desktop...within the proper environment, they claim it can be used as a server and extend its services with full terminal services across the network...a full multi-user phone OS. In addition, according to Canonical it is the most secure OS ever built and now can provide banking services. It is also fully voice activated. Whether this will all be enough for a company with little resources, no sales budget to speak off, no signed carriers and opponents like Microsoft, Apple and Google, is yet to be seen but they are off to a bold and promising start...but check it out Jim From mcp2004 at mail.ru Sat Jan 19 12:29:33 2013 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2013 22:29:33 +0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?Ubuntu_Phone?= In-Reply-To: <9F5BF75CB00C4CAA985E156F33B024C5@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <037e01cdf5c0$bb198430$314c8c90$@winhaven.net> <05D88F25-B808-498A-AA0B-53B7AC781A8D@phulse.com> <9F5BF75CB00C4CAA985E156F33B024C5@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <1358620173.145871577@f248.mail.ru> Hi Jim -- Yes, I have seen bookmarked/that information on TechCrunch already: http://techcrunch.com/2013/01/02/canonical-brings-ubuntu-os-to-phones-official/ BTW :) - "... it (Ubuntu Phone OS) eschews the traditional app grid concept that pervades iOS and stock Android and instead relies on horizontal swipes to view oft-used applications and switch between currently running ones. In a way, it?s approach is more reminiscent of Windows Phone 8 and Windows RT than either of the two leading mobile OSes, though whether those UI decisions catch on is another story entirely. Still, the end result is an interface that feels more spacious and expansive than its potential rivals, a tricky proposition when hardware designers struggle to balance device screen size and portability." So while Ubuntu is on the way to reach the mobile market one can develop apps for real devices as Windows Phone 7.5 and 8, and Windows RT and later on port that apps on Ubuntu Phone OS by using MonoDevelop " http://developer.ubuntu.com/resources/programming-languages/c-sharp/ " :) ?(Needless to say that HTML5 and JavaScript are also mainstream technologies for WinPhone and WinRT apps development.)? Just wanted to note how this modern development world is heavily interconnected - no need to promote one platform vs. the other one - it's time to become a multi-platform developer... Thank you. -- Shamil ???????, 19 ?????? 2013, 10:03 -08:00 ?? "Jim Lawrence" : >Ubuntu has developed its own phone OS but whether it is just a side project >is yet to be seen as carriers have said they will support it and as long as >they are allowed room to place some of their own advertisements. > >Right now the phone is supported on the Galaxy Nexus but that support will >most likely be extended to some Nokia phones as it appears that Nokia is >keeping its options open by developing support for Android, Ubuntu and >Windows. Game companies like EA, Valve Software and Unity Technologies are >already building and porting their apps to this device. > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=cpWHJDLsqTU#! > >The Ubuntu phone: >http://www.ubuntu.com/devices/phone > >As well as being able to design apps in HTML5/CSS3?JavaScript (Note: the >development kit provides a full JavaScript to assembler compiler for greater >performance), the phone's core development language and IDE are as follows >Qt Creator IDE for creating cross-platform applications developed in C/C++ >and QML >http://qt.digia.com/ > >The QML language: >http://developer.ubuntu.com/resources/programming-languages/qml/ > >and samples: >http://doc.qt.digia.com/4.7/qdeclarativeintroduction.html > >or download the whole mobile kit from: >http://developer.ubuntu.com/get-started/gomobile/ > >OS hardware requirements: >According to Canonical a phone needs the following requirements:[6] >1. Dual-core 1 GHz CPU, 1Ghz Cortex A9, Quad-core A9 or Intel Atom. >2. Video acceleration: shared kernel driver with associated X driver; >OpenGL, ES/EGL >3. Storage: 2 GB for OS disk image. (the OS can support up to 32GB of RAM >and can run as a desktop) >4. Also supports ports like HDMI: video-out with secondary framebuffer >device and USB host mode >5. Core OS will run in 512 MB RAM > >One comparison with the Windows Phone OS states it requires 2 GB of RAM, >runs at less than a third of the speed of the Ubuntu phone and has no native >Game company support, as of yet. You can just bring your Ubuntu phone home >plug it into your PC/Laptop/Tablet and have access the full Ubuntu >desktop...within the proper environment, they claim it can be used as a >server and extend its services with full terminal services across the >network...a full multi-user phone OS. In addition, according to Canonical it >is the most secure OS ever built and now can provide banking services. It is >also fully voice activated. > >Whether this will all be enough for a company with little resources, no >sales budget to speak off, no signed carriers and opponents like Microsoft, >Apple and Google, is yet to be seen but they are off to a bold and promising >start...but check it out > >Jim > From mcp2004 at mail.ru Sat Jan 19 12:35:09 2013 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2013 22:35:09 +0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?Cool_marketing=3A_Nokia_Releases_3D_Print_Fi?= =?utf-8?q?les_For_Lumia_820_Smartphone=2E_Got_A_3D_Printer=3F_Custom_Prin?= =?utf-8?q?t_Your_Own_Removable_Shell?= Message-ID: <1358620509.499685139@f248.mail.ru> Hi All -- They call it "cool marketing" but it looks a bit funny from here: "Nokia Releases 3D Print Files For Lumia 820 Smartphone. Got A 3D Printer? Custom Print Your Own Removable?Shell" http://techcrunch.com/2013/01/18/nokia-releases-3d-print-files-for-lumia-820-smartphone-got-a-3d-printer-custom-print-your-own-removable-shell/ and from there? In fact "3D Printing" in general seems to be a very promising technology, do you agree? When do you plan to buy your first "3D printer"? :) Thank you. -- Shamil? From tinanfields at torchlake.com Sat Jan 19 12:50:32 2013 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2013 13:50:32 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Cool marketing: Nokia Releases 3D Print Files For Lumia 820 Smartphone. Got A 3D Printer? Custom Print Your Own Removable Shell In-Reply-To: <1358620509.499685139@f248.mail.ru> References: <1358620509.499685139@f248.mail.ru> Message-ID: <50FAEAF8.5040706@torchlake.com> Yes, it certainly appears to be very promising. For me, everything will depend on price for a while. :-) T Tina Norris Fields tinanfields at torchlake.com 231-322-2787 On 1/19/2013 1:35 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote: > Hi All -- > > They call it "cool marketing" but it looks a bit funny from here: > > "Nokia Releases 3D Print Files For Lumia 820 Smartphone. Got A 3D Printer? Custom Print Your Own Removable Shell" > > http://techcrunch.com/2013/01/18/nokia-releases-3d-print-files-for-lumia-820-smartphone-got-a-3d-printer-custom-print-your-own-removable-shell/ > > and from there? > > In fact "3D Printing" in general seems to be a very promising technology, do you agree? > When do you plan to buy your first "3D printer"? > > :) > > Thank you. > > -- Shamil > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From hans.andersen at phulse.com Sat Jan 19 13:40:35 2013 From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2013 11:40:35 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Ubuntu Phone In-Reply-To: <9F5BF75CB00C4CAA985E156F33B024C5@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <037e01cdf5c0$bb198430$314c8c90$@winhaven.net><50F9ED98.28268.18EB13B1@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <05D88F25-B808-498A-AA0B-53B7AC781A8D@phulse.com> <9F5BF75CB00C4CAA985E156F33B024C5@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: As much as I wish Ubuntu all the best, I think they are making a huge mistake with the interface. The swiping toolbar and gesture based UI is extremely unnatural (no one but geeks will have the patience to adapt to it) and I don't know why, for the life of me, Canonical thinks the design of the toolbar looks acceptable for both the desktop OS and mobile OS. One thing in its favour is that apps will be built on native code, giving it a performance upper-hand over Android and Windows Phone. Another neat possible feature is the ability to dock it and connect it up to a keyboard and monitor and run a full desktop Ubuntu machine. Brilliant. Here's an interesting analysis of the Ubuntu Phone: http://www.jupiterbroadcasting.com/29746/ubuntu-phone-doa-las-s25e02/ They made a good point that a gesture based UI is a lot like keyboard shortcuts on a computer desktop. You can skip ahead in the video to that part by going to around the 50 minute and 45 seconds mark. - Hans On 2013-01-19, at 10:03 AM, "Jim Lawrence" wrote: > Ubuntu has developed its own phone OS but whether it is just a side project > is yet to be seen as carriers have said they will support it and as long as > they are allowed room to place some of their own advertisements. > > Right now the phone is supported on the Galaxy Nexus but that support will > most likely be extended to some Nokia phones as it appears that Nokia is > keeping its options open by developing support for Android, Ubuntu and > Windows. Game companies like EA, Valve Software and Unity Technologies are > already building and porting their apps to this device. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=cpWHJDLsqTU#! > > The Ubuntu phone: > http://www.ubuntu.com/devices/phone > > As well as being able to design apps in HTML5/CSS3?JavaScript (Note: the > development kit provides a full JavaScript to assembler compiler for greater > performance), the phone's core development language and IDE are as follows > Qt Creator IDE for creating cross-platform applications developed in C/C++ > and QML > http://qt.digia.com/ > > The QML language: > http://developer.ubuntu.com/resources/programming-languages/qml/ > > and samples: > http://doc.qt.digia.com/4.7/qdeclarativeintroduction.html > > or download the whole mobile kit from: > http://developer.ubuntu.com/get-started/gomobile/ > > OS hardware requirements: > According to Canonical a phone needs the following requirements:[6] > 1. Dual-core 1 GHz CPU, 1Ghz Cortex A9, Quad-core A9 or Intel Atom. > 2. Video acceleration: shared kernel driver with associated X driver; > OpenGL, ES/EGL > 3. Storage: 2 GB for OS disk image. (the OS can support up to 32GB of RAM > and can run as a desktop) > 4. Also supports ports like HDMI: video-out with secondary framebuffer > device and USB host mode > 5. Core OS will run in 512 MB RAM > > One comparison with the Windows Phone OS states it requires 2 GB of RAM, > runs at less than a third of the speed of the Ubuntu phone and has no native > Game company support, as of yet. You can just bring your Ubuntu phone home > plug it into your PC/Laptop/Tablet and have access the full Ubuntu > desktop...within the proper environment, they claim it can be used as a > server and extend its services with full terminal services across the > network...a full multi-user phone OS. In addition, according to Canonical it > is the most secure OS ever built and now can provide banking services. It is > also fully voice activated. > > Whether this will all be enough for a company with little resources, no > sales budget to speak off, no signed carriers and opponents like Microsoft, > Apple and Google, is yet to be seen but they are off to a bold and promising > start...but check it out > > Jim > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Sat Jan 19 13:53:25 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2013 11:53:25 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Ubuntu thin client In-Reply-To: <9F5BF75CB00C4CAA985E156F33B024C5@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <037e01cdf5c0$bb198430$314c8c90$@winhaven.net><50F9ED98.28268.18EB13B1@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg><05D88F25-B808-498A-AA0B-53B7AC781A8D@phulse.com> <9F5BF75CB00C4CAA985E156F33B024C5@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: Hi All: For those interested in a thin client development/server for you applications like a POS, Accounting package and so on, see below. First, you will have to find a computer that you can use as a Ubuntu Station/Server. Virtually any computer can do and you can even easily setup a dual boot machine. It can be installed directly from the internet, a CD/DVD or even a USB stick. I would recommend Ubuntu version 12.04 as 12.10 may tend to be a little too leading edge. http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop Once the OS has been installed then you will have to install the Wine application (http://www.noobslab.com/2012/10/install-wine-1515-in-ubuntu.html) ...not yet wait. Of course it can just be install through the Ubuntu software center, an easy search, click-install and run interface.) This will allow most Windows applications and games to running on the Ubuntu computer as they would under Windows. Second, the following application uses a Wine mashup(http://www.playonlinux.com/en/) to set the system up for Windows application and in this case Microsoft Office. http://askubuntu.com/questions/156296/how-to-install-microsoft-office-2010-i n-ubuntu-12-04 Third, next you setup your thin server to share your Access application as you might with SharePoint. This will allow Office and its Excel spreadsheets and Access applications to be shared across the network and web. http://www.thefanclub.co.za/how-to/how-create-ubuntu-1104-x64-ltsp-server-32 bit-thin-clients Fourth, once this has been done, add your users, automate the session startup applications and you are good to go. It should be noted that an certified copy or site license of MS Office should be on every computer accessing the terminal service, to make this all legal and if you are allowing terminal access across the web your security should reflect this. There are obviously other small pieces to assemble but this is it in a nut-shell. A simple and inexpensive SharePoint type environment. Have fun Jim From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sat Jan 19 13:56:11 2013 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2013 14:56:11 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Cool marketing: Nokia Releases 3D Print Files For Lumia 820 Smartphone. Got A 3D Printer? Custom Print Your Own Removable Shell In-Reply-To: <50FAEAF8.5040706@torchlake.com> References: <1358620509.499685139@f248.mail.ru> <50FAEAF8.5040706@torchlake.com> Message-ID: There was an episode of CSI on recently in which a guy used a 3D printer to print a pistol. Figures! Being much loftier, I would have printed Halle Berry :) Arthur From accessd at shaw.ca Sat Jan 19 13:57:36 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2013 11:57:36 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Ubuntu Phone In-Reply-To: References: <037e01cdf5c0$bb198430$314c8c90$@winhaven.net><50F9ED98.28268.18EB13B1@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg><05D88F25-B808-498A-AA0B-53B7AC781A8D@phulse.com><9F5BF75CB00C4CAA985E156F33B024C5@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <557251BE2D0F439A8616AFA3B8DFEDE2@creativesystemdesigns.com> As I stated before whether this phone will fly is debatable but some of the features are just so neat. Like a becoming a full game machine, multi-user OS and voice control... Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hans-Christian Andersen Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2013 11:41 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Ubuntu Phone As much as I wish Ubuntu all the best, I think they are making a huge mistake with the interface. The swiping toolbar and gesture based UI is extremely unnatural (no one but geeks will have the patience to adapt to it) and I don't know why, for the life of me, Canonical thinks the design of the toolbar looks acceptable for both the desktop OS and mobile OS. One thing in its favour is that apps will be built on native code, giving it a performance upper-hand over Android and Windows Phone. Another neat possible feature is the ability to dock it and connect it up to a keyboard and monitor and run a full desktop Ubuntu machine. Brilliant. Here's an interesting analysis of the Ubuntu Phone: http://www.jupiterbroadcasting.com/29746/ubuntu-phone-doa-las-s25e02/ They made a good point that a gesture based UI is a lot like keyboard shortcuts on a computer desktop. You can skip ahead in the video to that part by going to around the 50 minute and 45 seconds mark. - Hans On 2013-01-19, at 10:03 AM, "Jim Lawrence" wrote: > Ubuntu has developed its own phone OS but whether it is just a side project > is yet to be seen as carriers have said they will support it and as long as > they are allowed room to place some of their own advertisements. > > Right now the phone is supported on the Galaxy Nexus but that support will > most likely be extended to some Nokia phones as it appears that Nokia is > keeping its options open by developing support for Android, Ubuntu and > Windows. Game companies like EA, Valve Software and Unity Technologies are > already building and porting their apps to this device. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=cpWHJDLsqTU#! > > The Ubuntu phone: > http://www.ubuntu.com/devices/phone > > As well as being able to design apps in HTML5/CSS3?JavaScript (Note: the > development kit provides a full JavaScript to assembler compiler for greater > performance), the phone's core development language and IDE are as follows > Qt Creator IDE for creating cross-platform applications developed in C/C++ > and QML > http://qt.digia.com/ > > The QML language: > http://developer.ubuntu.com/resources/programming-languages/qml/ > > and samples: > http://doc.qt.digia.com/4.7/qdeclarativeintroduction.html > > or download the whole mobile kit from: > http://developer.ubuntu.com/get-started/gomobile/ > > OS hardware requirements: > According to Canonical a phone needs the following requirements:[6] > 1. Dual-core 1 GHz CPU, 1Ghz Cortex A9, Quad-core A9 or Intel Atom. > 2. Video acceleration: shared kernel driver with associated X driver; > OpenGL, ES/EGL > 3. Storage: 2 GB for OS disk image. (the OS can support up to 32GB of RAM > and can run as a desktop) > 4. Also supports ports like HDMI: video-out with secondary framebuffer > device and USB host mode > 5. Core OS will run in 512 MB RAM > > One comparison with the Windows Phone OS states it requires 2 GB of RAM, > runs at less than a third of the speed of the Ubuntu phone and has no native > Game company support, as of yet. You can just bring your Ubuntu phone home > plug it into your PC/Laptop/Tablet and have access the full Ubuntu > desktop...within the proper environment, they claim it can be used as a > server and extend its services with full terminal services across the > network...a full multi-user phone OS. In addition, according to Canonical it > is the most secure OS ever built and now can provide banking services. It is > also fully voice activated. > > Whether this will all be enough for a company with little resources, no > sales budget to speak off, no signed carriers and opponents like Microsoft, > Apple and Google, is yet to be seen but they are off to a bold and promising > start...but check it out > > Jim > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Sat Jan 19 14:01:31 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2013 12:01:31 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Ubuntu Phone In-Reply-To: References: <037e01cdf5c0$bb198430$314c8c90$@winhaven.net><50F9ED98.28268.18EB13B1@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg><05D88F25-B808-498A-AA0B-53B7AC781A8D@phulse.com><9F5BF75CB00C4CAA985E156F33B024C5@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: Note: for those looking to buy a cheap dot com domain from GoDaddy look at the following: GoDaddy.com Use our code linux295 to get a .COM for $2.95. Expires 1-31-13! (31 Jan 2013) 20% off your ENTIRE order just use our code go20off6. Jim From ssharkins at gmail.com Sat Jan 19 14:05:32 2013 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2013 15:05:32 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Cool marketing: Nokia Releases 3D Print Files For Lumia 820 Smartphone. Got A 3D Printer? Custom Print Your Own Removable Shell References: <1358620509.499685139@f248.mail.ru><50FAEAF8.5040706@torchlake.com> Message-ID: <93F1736619E040E2BB4D936FA342CEC2@SusanHarkins> I could use a cowboy -- Sam Elliot will do just fine. :) Susan H. > There was an episode of CSI on recently in which a guy used a 3D printer > to > print a pistol. Figures! Being much loftier, I would have printed Halle > Berry :) > From accessd at shaw.ca Sat Jan 19 14:10:39 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2013 12:10:39 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Cool marketing: Nokia Releases 3D Print Files For Lumia 820 Smartphone. Got A 3D Printer? Custom Print Your Own Removable Shell In-Reply-To: References: <1358620509.499685139@f248.mail.ru><50FAEAF8.5040706@torchlake.com> Message-ID: <29CB626764564190970A2C907E5EABB9@creativesystemdesigns.com> A friend of mine confirms that this is not Sci-Fi but a reality...he has a 3D printer. It is a Riprap printer and sell from $350 to $500 and of course supplies and graphic program (free from Linux) are extra. http://www.indiegogo.com/SeeMeCNC-H-1 It does require a specific type of plastic very resilient to pressure and heat and even then the gun can only be fired a limited number of times. It is amazing that you could build a gun factory in your living room starting at $350...producing guns that could not be detected in a metal scanner. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2013 11:56 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Cool marketing: Nokia Releases 3D Print Files For Lumia 820 Smartphone. Got A 3D Printer? Custom Print Your Own Removable Shell There was an episode of CSI on recently in which a guy used a 3D printer to print a pistol. Figures! Being much loftier, I would have printed Halle Berry :) Arthur _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From mcp2004 at mail.ru Sat Jan 19 15:22:27 2013 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 01:22:27 +0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?Cool_marketing=3A_Nokia_Releases_3D_Print_Fi?= =?utf-8?q?les_For_Lumia_820_Smartphone=2E_Got_A_3D_Printer=3F_Custom_Prin?= =?utf-8?q?t_Your_Own_Removable_Shell?= In-Reply-To: <29CB626764564190970A2C907E5EABB9@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <1358620509.499685139@f248.mail.ru> <29CB626764564190970A2C907E5EABB9@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <1358630547.845591340@f348.mail.ru> Hi Jim -- Good news. BTW here is a good site to test your 3D designs readiness?for 3D printing:? http://willit3dprint.com/ I'd need (to rent) a bigger 3D printer probably - for starters I'd like to "3D print" kitchen furniture facades - something like the following :) http://www.classic-mebel.com/galg-22.htm The above *standard*?set costs ~USD10,000 (ten thouzand) here (the price on web site (~USD4000) is incorrect, I have called that company), if I'd like to make some special shaping it could become much more expensive - with "3D priting factory" making such a kitchen furniture facades of any shape should be considerably cheaper I hope. -- Shamil ???????, 19 ?????? 2013, 12:10 -08:00 ?? "Jim Lawrence" : >A friend of mine confirms that this is not Sci-Fi but a reality...he has a >3D printer. It is a Riprap printer and sell from $350 to $500 and of course >supplies and graphic program (free from Linux) are extra. > >http://www.indiegogo.com/SeeMeCNC-H-1 > >It does require a specific type of plastic very resilient to pressure and >heat and even then the gun can only be fired a limited number of times. > >It is amazing that you could build a gun factory in your living room >starting at $350...producing guns that could not be detected in a metal >scanner. > >Jim ><<< skipped >>> From mcp2004 at mail.ru Sat Jan 19 16:08:56 2013 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 02:08:56 +0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?Ubuntu_thin_client?= In-Reply-To: References: <037e01cdf5c0$bb198430$314c8c90$@winhaven.net> <9F5BF75CB00C4CAA985E156F33B024C5@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <1358633336.385684526@f39.mail.ru> Hi Jim -- Thank you for the hint - I'm now installing Ubuntu 12.04 LTS (32bit) under Hyper-V - I'm going through a setup procedure as the following: http://blogs.msdn.com/b/virtual_pc_guy/archive/2012/05/02/ubuntu-12-04-under-hyper-v-on-windows-8.aspx I will post when setup finishes. -- Shamil ???????, 19 ?????? 2013, 11:53 -08:00 ?? "Jim Lawrence" : >Hi All: > >For those interested in a thin client development/server for you >applications like a POS, Accounting package and so on, see below. > >First, you will have to find a computer that you can use as a Ubuntu >Station/Server. Virtually any computer can do and you can even easily setup >a dual boot machine. It can be installed directly from the internet, a >CD/DVD or even a USB stick. I would recommend Ubuntu version 12.04 as 12.10 >may tend to be a little too leading edge. > >http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop > >Once the OS has been installed then you will have to install the Wine >application >( http://www.noobslab.com/2012/10/install-wine-1515-in-ubuntu.html ) ...not >yet wait. Of course it can just be install through the Ubuntu software >center, an easy search, click-install and run interface.) This will allow >most Windows applications and games to running on the Ubuntu computer as >they would under Windows. > >Second, the following application uses a Wine >mashup( http://www.playonlinux.com/en/ ) to set the system up for Windows >application and in this case Microsoft Office. > >http://askubuntu.com/questions/156296/how-to-install-microsoft-office-2010-i >n-ubuntu-12-04 > >Third, next you setup your thin server to share your Access application as >you might with SharePoint. This will allow Office and its Excel spreadsheets >and Access applications to be shared across the network and web. > >http://www.thefanclub.co.za/how-to/how-create-ubuntu-1104-x64-ltsp-server-32 >bit-thin-clients > >Fourth, once this has been done, add your users, automate the session >startup applications and you are good to go. It should be noted that an >certified copy or site license of MS Office should be on every computer >accessing the terminal service, to make this all legal and if you are >allowing terminal access across the web your security should reflect this. > >There are obviously other small pieces to assemble but this is it in a >nut-shell. A simple and inexpensive SharePoint type environment. > >Have fun >Jim > >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From mcp2004 at mail.ru Sat Jan 19 16:45:04 2013 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 02:45:04 +0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?Ubuntu_thin_client?= In-Reply-To: <1358633336.385684526@f39.mail.ru> References: <037e01cdf5c0$bb198430$314c8c90$@winhaven.net> <1358633336.385684526@f39.mail.ru> Message-ID: <1358635504.128486669@f157.mail.ru> Hi Jim -- I have posted this message from Firefox running under Ubuntu 12.04 TLS Hyper-V VM running under Win8 Prof. I have got installed Ubuntu VM in about 20 minutes. Not sure what should I do/check next. I will probably check in the coming days what I can do/develop on Ubuntu using MonoDroid - .NET/C# Thank you. -- Shamil ???????????, 20 ?????? 2013, 2:08 +04:00 ?? Salakhetdinov Shamil : >Hi Jim -- > >Thank you for the hint - I'm now installing Ubuntu 12.04 LTS (32bit) under Hyper-V - I'm going through a setup procedure as the following: > >http://blogs.msdn.com/b/virtual_pc_guy/archive/2012/05/02/ubuntu-12-04-under-hyper-v-on-windows-8.aspx > >I will post when setup finishes. > >-- Shamil > > >???????, 19 ?????? 2013, 11:53 -08:00 ?? "Jim Lawrence" < accessd at shaw.ca >: >>Hi All: >> >>For those interested in a thin client development/server for you >>applications like a POS, Accounting package and so on, see below. >> >>First, you will have to find a computer that you can use as a Ubuntu >>Station/Server. Virtually any computer can do and you can even easily setup >>a dual boot machine. It can be installed directly from the internet, a >>CD/DVD or even a USB stick. I would recommend Ubuntu version 12.04 as 12.10 >>may tend to be a little too leading edge. >> >> http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop >> >>Once the OS has been installed then you will have to install the Wine >>application >>( http://www.noobslab.com/2012/10/install-wine-1515-in-ubuntu.html ) ...not >>yet wait. Of course it can just be install through the Ubuntu software >>center, an easy search, click-install and run interface.) This will allow >>most Windows applications and games to running on the Ubuntu computer as >>they would under Windows. >> >>Second, the following application uses a Wine >>mashup( http://www.playonlinux.com/en/ ) to set the system up for Windows >>application and in this case Microsoft Office. >> >> http://askubuntu.com/questions/156296/how-to-install-microsoft-office-2010-i >>n-ubuntu-12-04 >> >>Third, next you setup your thin server to share your Access application as >>you might with SharePoint. This will allow Office and its Excel spreadsheets >>and Access applications to be shared across the network and web. >> >> http://www.thefanclub.co.za/how-to/how-create-ubuntu-1104-x64-ltsp-server-32 >>bit-thin-clients >> >>Fourth, once this has been done, add your users, automate the session >>startup applications and you are good to go. It should be noted that an >>certified copy or site license of MS Office should be on every computer >>accessing the terminal service, to make this all legal and if you are >>allowing terminal access across the web your security should reflect this. >> >>There are obviously other small pieces to assemble but this is it in a >>nut-shell. A simple and inexpensive SharePoint type environment. >> >>Have fun >>Jim >> > From mcp2004 at mail.ru Sat Jan 19 16:54:17 2013 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 02:54:17 +0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?Microsoft=27s_ARM_blunder=3A_7_reasons_why_W?= =?utf-8?q?indows_RT_was_DOA?= In-Reply-To: <05D88F25-B808-498A-AA0B-53B7AC781A8D@phulse.com> References: <037e01cdf5c0$bb198430$314c8c90$@winhaven.net> <50F9ED98.28268.18EB13B1@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <05D88F25-B808-498A-AA0B-53B7AC781A8D@phulse.com> Message-ID: <1358636057.427362050@f359.mail.ru> Here is a real test of from "Sencha: The Authority in HTML5 Performance" - HTML5/CSS/Javascript: iPad 4 (iOS6/Safgari) vs. Windows RT (IE10) tablet: http://www.sencha.com/blog/microsoft-surface-vs-the-ipad-gen-4-the-html5-scorecard/ iPad 4/iOS6/Safari are doing great but I cannot say Windows RT/IE10 are looking that far behind to neglect them. -- Shamil ???????, 18 ?????? 2013, 20:51 -08:00 ?? Hans-Christian Andersen : >Yeowch... Talk about blunt, scorching criticism. But, never the less, it seems about right. > >Best regards, >Hans-Christian Andersen > > From hans.andersen at phulse.com Sat Jan 19 16:54:46 2013 From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2013 14:54:46 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Ubuntu thin client In-Reply-To: <1358635504.128486669@f157.mail.ru> References: <037e01cdf5c0$bb198430$314c8c90$@winhaven.net> <1358633336.385684526@f39.mail.ru> <1358635504.128486669@f157.mail.ru> Message-ID: <0B5285D7-3B26-40AC-9B80-BE785A747742@phulse.com> I'd also recommend playing around with Ruby on Rails and Node.js. Node seems to be all the rage these days. - Hans Sent from my iPhone On 2013-01-19, at 2:45 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote: > Hi Jim -- > > I have posted this message from Firefox running under Ubuntu 12.04 TLS Hyper-V VM running under Win8 Prof. > I have got installed Ubuntu VM in about 20 minutes. > Not sure what should I do/check next. > I will probably check in the coming days what I can do/develop on Ubuntu using MonoDroid - .NET/C# > > Thank you. > > -- Shamil > > ???????????, 20 ?????? 2013, 2:08 +04:00 ?? Salakhetdinov Shamil : >> Hi Jim -- >> >> Thank you for the hint - I'm now installing Ubuntu 12.04 LTS (32bit) under Hyper-V - I'm going through a setup procedure as the following: >> >> http://blogs.msdn.com/b/virtual_pc_guy/archive/2012/05/02/ubuntu-12-04-under-hyper-v-on-windows-8.aspx >> >> I will post when setup finishes. >> >> -- Shamil >> >> >> ???????, 19 ?????? 2013, 11:53 -08:00 ?? "Jim Lawrence" < accessd at shaw.ca >: >>> Hi All: >>> >>> For those interested in a thin client development/server for you >>> applications like a POS, Accounting package and so on, see below. >>> >>> First, you will have to find a computer that you can use as a Ubuntu >>> Station/Server. Virtually any computer can do and you can even easily setup >>> a dual boot machine. It can be installed directly from the internet, a >>> CD/DVD or even a USB stick. I would recommend Ubuntu version 12.04 as 12.10 >>> may tend to be a little too leading edge. >>> >>> http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop >>> >>> Once the OS has been installed then you will have to install the Wine >>> application >>> ( http://www.noobslab.com/2012/10/install-wine-1515-in-ubuntu.html ) ...not >>> yet wait. Of course it can just be install through the Ubuntu software >>> center, an easy search, click-install and run interface.) This will allow >>> most Windows applications and games to running on the Ubuntu computer as >>> they would under Windows. >>> >>> Second, the following application uses a Wine >>> mashup( http://www.playonlinux.com/en/ ) to set the system up for Windows >>> application and in this case Microsoft Office. >>> >>> http://askubuntu.com/questions/156296/how-to-install-microsoft-office-2010-i >>> n-ubuntu-12-04 >>> >>> Third, next you setup your thin server to share your Access application as >>> you might with SharePoint. This will allow Office and its Excel spreadsheets >>> and Access applications to be shared across the network and web. >>> >>> http://www.thefanclub.co.za/how-to/how-create-ubuntu-1104-x64-ltsp-server-32 >>> bit-thin-clients >>> >>> Fourth, once this has been done, add your users, automate the session >>> startup applications and you are good to go. It should be noted that an >>> certified copy or site license of MS Office should be on every computer >>> accessing the terminal service, to make this all legal and if you are >>> allowing terminal access across the web your security should reflect this. >>> >>> There are obviously other small pieces to assemble but this is it in a >>> nut-shell. A simple and inexpensive SharePoint type environment. >>> >>> Have fun >>> Jim > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From mcp2004 at mail.ru Sat Jan 19 17:46:19 2013 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 03:46:19 +0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?Ubuntu_thin_client?= In-Reply-To: <0B5285D7-3B26-40AC-9B80-BE785A747742@phulse.com> References: <037e01cdf5c0$bb198430$314c8c90$@winhaven.net> <1358635504.128486669@f157.mail.ru> <0B5285D7-3B26-40AC-9B80-BE785A747742@phulse.com> Message-ID: <1358639179.192036420@f53.mail.ru> Thank you, Hans -- Maybe in the (near) future I will have a look at node.js and Ruby on Rails. Currently I can't find how I can get them installed via Ubuntu Software Center (and I have just got successfully installed Mono Runtime and MonoDevelop). But I can't find node.js and Ruby on Rails via Ubuntu Software Center. Should I use some other ways to get them installed? Thank you. -- Shamil ???????, 19 ?????? 2013, 14:54 -08:00 ?? Hans-Christian Andersen : >I'd also recommend playing around with Ruby on Rails and Node.js. Node seems to be all the rage these days. > >- Hans > >Sent from my iPhone > >On 2013-01-19, at 2:45 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil < mcp2004 at mail.ru > wrote: > >> Hi Jim -- >> >> I have posted this message from Firefox running under Ubuntu 12.04 TLS Hyper-V VM running under Win8 Prof. >> I have got installed Ubuntu VM in about 20 minutes. >> Not sure what should I do/check next. >> I will probably check in the coming days what I can do/develop on Ubuntu using MonoDroid - .NET/C# >> >> Thank you. >> >> -- Shamil From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sat Jan 19 18:26:43 2013 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2013 19:26:43 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Ubuntu thin client In-Reply-To: <1358639179.192036420@f53.mail.ru> References: <037e01cdf5c0$bb198430$314c8c90$@winhaven.net> <1358635504.128486669@f157.mail.ru> <0B5285D7-3B26-40AC-9B80-BE785A747742@phulse.com> <1358639179.192036420@f53.mail.ru> Message-ID: Shamil, I have installed both using the Package Manager. Nothing to it. Just search the Package Manager for them. A. From mcp2004 at mail.ru Sat Jan 19 18:42:31 2013 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 04:42:31 +0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?Ubuntu_thin_client?= References: <037e01cdf5c0$bb198430$314c8c90$@winhaven.net> <1358639179.192036420@f53.mail.ru> Message-ID: <1358642551.487519624@f333.mail.ru> Thank you, Arthur -- I must note I cannot find 'Package Manager' :) I have searched via 'Ubuntu Software Manager' using 'package' keyword and I see a few package managers five starred: - GDebi Package Installer - Synaptic Packahe Manager - Smart Package Manager Which one to setup as my main 'Package Manager'? Or Ubuntu has its own default one? I must note I haven't yet accustomed to Ubuntu's 'Workspaces' metaphor etc. - just using ot for about an hour... Thank you. -- Shamil ???????, 19 ?????? 2013, 19:26 -05:00 ?? Arthur Fuller : >Shamil, > >I have installed both using the Package Manager. Nothing to it. Just search >the Package Manager for them. > >A. >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sat Jan 19 18:44:48 2013 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2013 19:44:48 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Ubuntu thin client In-Reply-To: <1358642551.487519624@f333.mail.ru> References: <037e01cdf5c0$bb198430$314c8c90$@winhaven.net> <1358639179.192036420@f53.mail.ru> <1358642551.487519624@f333.mail.ru> Message-ID: Sorry, I meant Ubuntu Software Manager, but Synaptic Pakage Manager should work fine. Arthur From mcp2004 at mail.ru Sat Jan 19 18:56:23 2013 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 04:56:23 +0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?Ubuntu_thin_client?= References: <037e01cdf5c0$bb198430$314c8c90$@winhaven.net> <1358642551.487519624@f333.mail.ru> Message-ID: <1358643383.182043862@f333.mail.ru> OK, I see 'Ubuntu Software Center' but not '... Manager'. Anyway, I have got Synaptic Package Manager installed and searched for node.js - here it's?: <<< Node.js event-based server-side javascript engine ? Node.js is similar in design to and influenced by systems like Ruby's Event Machine or Python's Twisted. It takes the event model a bit further - it presents the event loop as a language construct instead of as a library. Node.js is bundled with several useful libraries to handle server tasks : System, Events, Standard I/O, Modules, Timers, Child Processes, POSIX, HTTP, Multipart Parsing, TCP, DNS, Assert, Path, URL, Query Strings. >>> I will setup it tomorrow. Time to go to bed here. Thank you. -- Shamil ???????, 19 ?????? 2013, 19:44 -05:00 ?? Arthur Fuller : >Sorry, I meant Ubuntu Software Manager, but Synaptic Pakage Manager should >work fine. > >Arthur >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From hans.andersen at phulse.com Sat Jan 19 19:22:50 2013 From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2013 17:22:50 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Ubuntu thin client In-Reply-To: <1358639179.192036420@f53.mail.ru> References: <037e01cdf5c0$bb198430$314c8c90$@winhaven.net> <1358635504.128486669@f157.mail.ru> <0B5285D7-3B26-40AC-9B80-BE785A747742@phulse.com> <1358639179.192036420@f53.mail.ru> Message-ID: Use the command line. The Ubuntu software centre is more grate towards actual GUI apps. The command is something like: sudo apt-get install nodejs I can't recall the exact package name, but you can search for it with: apt-cache search x (Substitute x with 'rails' or 'nodejs' and it will return you a list of packages that are relevant). - Hans Sent from my iPhone On 2013-01-19, at 3:46 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote: > Thank you, Hans -- > > Maybe in the (near) future I will have a look at node.js and Ruby on Rails. > Currently I can't find how I can get them installed via Ubuntu Software Center (and I have just got successfully installed Mono Runtime and MonoDevelop). > > But I can't find node.js and Ruby on Rails via Ubuntu Software Center. Should I use some other ways to get them installed? > > Thank you. > > -- Shamil > > > > ???????, 19 ?????? 2013, 14:54 -08:00 ?? Hans-Christian Andersen : >> I'd also recommend playing around with Ruby on Rails and Node.js. Node seems to be all the rage these days. >> >> - Hans >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On 2013-01-19, at 2:45 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil < mcp2004 at mail.ru > wrote: >> >>> Hi Jim -- >>> >>> I have posted this message from Firefox running under Ubuntu 12.04 TLS Hyper-V VM running under Win8 Prof. >>> I have got installed Ubuntu VM in about 20 minutes. >>> Not sure what should I do/check next. >>> I will probably check in the coming days what I can do/develop on Ubuntu using MonoDroid - .NET/C# >>> >>> Thank you. >>> >>> -- Shamil > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Sat Jan 19 20:20:15 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2013 18:20:15 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Ubuntu thin client In-Reply-To: <1358639179.192036420@f53.mail.ru> References: <037e01cdf5c0$bb198430$314c8c90$@winhaven.net><1358635504.128486669@f157.mail.ru><0B5285D7-3B26-40AC-9B80-BE785A747742@phulse.com> <1358639179.192036420@f53.mail.ru> Message-ID: <2B5735C1326143A9B214E3F05F4AF693@creativesystemdesigns.com> The two applications, Node.js and Ruby on Rails are mostly full server based products and real men, Linux IT people, don't use GUIs, sorry to say, so to install the two applications follow the instructions. In the unlikely event that you run into issues Hans knows everything. ;-) To install Node.js Open a command terminal window Dash home > Terminal As soon as you enter any command session with sudo... you will be prompted for your administrators username and password. Open Firefox, (I like Chrome so I always installed it right away) shown at the left and go to the following site: http://www.naumann.cc/?p=312 Note: you will have to compile node.js so it will run more reliably. Then follow the instructions; just cut and past the shown commands in the order they are given. How to install Ruby on Rails Just like Node.js it is all a manual installation process. If it was more popular on the desktop edition of Ubuntu it would be in the "Ubuntu software center" and have an easy script already but such are Linux programmers who have to (like to) do everything the hard way. ;-) https://www.digitalocean.com/community/articles/how-to-install-ruby-on-rails -on-ubuntu-12-04-lts-precise-pangolin-with-rvm HTH Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov Shamil Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2013 3:46 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Ubuntu thin client Thank you, Hans -- Maybe in the (near) future I will have a look at node.js and Ruby on Rails. Currently I can't find how I can get them installed via Ubuntu Software Center (and I have just got successfully installed Mono Runtime and MonoDevelop). But I can't find node.js and Ruby on Rails via Ubuntu Software Center. Should I use some other ways to get them installed? Thank you. -- Shamil ???????, 19 ?????? 2013, 14:54 -08:00 ?? Hans-Christian Andersen : >I'd also recommend playing around with Ruby on Rails and Node.js. Node seems to be all the rage these days. > >- Hans > >Sent from my iPhone > >On 2013-01-19, at 2:45 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil < mcp2004 at mail.ru > wrote: > >> Hi Jim -- >> >> I have posted this message from Firefox running under Ubuntu 12.04 TLS Hyper-V VM running under Win8 Prof. >> I have got installed Ubuntu VM in about 20 minutes. >> Not sure what should I do/check next. >> I will probably check in the coming days what I can do/develop on Ubuntu using MonoDroid - .NET/C# >> >> Thank you. >> >> -- Shamil _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Sat Jan 19 20:24:22 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2013 18:24:22 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Ubuntu thin client In-Reply-To: <1358643383.182043862@f333.mail.ru> References: <037e01cdf5c0$bb198430$314c8c90$@winhaven.net><1358642551.487519624@f333.mail.ru> <1358643383.182043862@f333.mail.ru> Message-ID: My understanding is that Node.js is really just a wrapper around the super fast Google V8 engine (written in C/C++). It has a very small foot print and will just extend your JavaScript skills for desktop to server. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov Shamil Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2013 4:56 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Ubuntu thin client OK, I see 'Ubuntu Software Center' but not '... Manager'. Anyway, I have got Synaptic Package Manager installed and searched for node.js - here it's?: <<< Node.js event-based server-side javascript engine ? Node.js is similar in design to and influenced by systems like Ruby's Event Machine or Python's Twisted. It takes the event model a bit further - it presents the event loop as a language construct instead of as a library. Node.js is bundled with several useful libraries to handle server tasks : System, Events, Standard I/O, Modules, Timers, Child Processes, POSIX, HTTP, Multipart Parsing, TCP, DNS, Assert, Path, URL, Query Strings. >>> I will setup it tomorrow. Time to go to bed here. Thank you. -- Shamil ???????, 19 ?????? 2013, 19:44 -05:00 ?? Arthur Fuller : >Sorry, I meant Ubuntu Software Manager, but Synaptic Pakage Manager should >work fine. > >Arthur >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Sat Jan 19 20:33:59 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2013 18:33:59 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Ubuntu thin client In-Reply-To: <2B5735C1326143A9B214E3F05F4AF693@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <037e01cdf5c0$bb198430$314c8c90$@winhaven.net><1358635504.128486669@f157.mail.ru><0B5285D7-3B26-40AC-9B80-BE785A747742@phulse.com><1358639179.192036420@f53.mail.ru> <2B5735C1326143A9B214E3F05F4AF693@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <83684CE6E34740CAA1179355FD5AFFF0@creativesystemdesigns.com> PS forgot the 'e' in paste. ;-) Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2013 6:20 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Ubuntu thin client The two applications, Node.js and Ruby on Rails are mostly full server based products and real men, Linux IT people, don't use GUIs, sorry to say, so to install the two applications follow the instructions. In the unlikely event that you run into issues Hans knows everything. ;-) To install Node.js Open a command terminal window Dash home > Terminal As soon as you enter any command session with sudo... you will be prompted for your administrators username and password. Open Firefox, (I like Chrome so I always installed it right away) shown at the left and go to the following site: http://www.naumann.cc/?p=312 Note: you will have to compile node.js so it will run more reliably. Then follow the instructions; just cut and past the shown commands in the order they are given. How to install Ruby on Rails Just like Node.js it is all a manual installation process. If it was more popular on the desktop edition of Ubuntu it would be in the "Ubuntu software center" and have an easy script already but such are Linux programmers who have to (like to) do everything the hard way. ;-) https://www.digitalocean.com/community/articles/how-to-install-ruby-on-rails -on-ubuntu-12-04-lts-precise-pangolin-with-rvm HTH Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov Shamil Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2013 3:46 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Ubuntu thin client Thank you, Hans -- Maybe in the (near) future I will have a look at node.js and Ruby on Rails. Currently I can't find how I can get them installed via Ubuntu Software Center (and I have just got successfully installed Mono Runtime and MonoDevelop). But I can't find node.js and Ruby on Rails via Ubuntu Software Center. Should I use some other ways to get them installed? Thank you. -- Shamil ???????, 19 ?????? 2013, 14:54 -08:00 ?? Hans-Christian Andersen : >I'd also recommend playing around with Ruby on Rails and Node.js. Node seems to be all the rage these days. > >- Hans > >Sent from my iPhone > >On 2013-01-19, at 2:45 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil < mcp2004 at mail.ru > wrote: > >> Hi Jim -- >> >> I have posted this message from Firefox running under Ubuntu 12.04 TLS Hyper-V VM running under Win8 Prof. >> I have got installed Ubuntu VM in about 20 minutes. >> Not sure what should I do/check next. >> I will probably check in the coming days what I can do/develop on Ubuntu using MonoDroid - .NET/C# >> >> Thank you. >> >> -- Shamil _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From hans.andersen at phulse.com Sat Jan 19 20:35:57 2013 From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2013 18:35:57 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Ubuntu thin client In-Reply-To: <1358643383.182043862@f333.mail.ru> References: <037e01cdf5c0$bb198430$314c8c90$@winhaven.net> <1358642551.487519624@f333.mail.ru> <1358643383.182043862@f333.mail.ru> Message-ID: <5F2DA18F-B494-42AC-8F02-1DE299E56DD9@phulse.com> Yeah, you can use synaptic as well, but its probably better you get familiar with the command line sooner rather than later - especially if you are doing software development. :) - Hans Sent from my iPhone On 2013-01-19, at 4:56 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote: > OK, I see 'Ubuntu Software Center' but not '... Manager'. > > Anyway, I have got Synaptic Package Manager installed and searched for node.js - here it's?: > > <<< > Node.js event-based server-side javascript engine > > Node.js is similar in design to and influenced by systems like > Ruby's Event Machine or Python's Twisted. > > It takes the event model a bit further - it presents the event > loop as a language construct instead of as a library. > > Node.js is bundled with several useful libraries to handle server tasks : > System, Events, Standard I/O, Modules, Timers, Child Processes, POSIX, > HTTP, Multipart Parsing, TCP, DNS, Assert, Path, URL, Query Strings. > > I will setup it tomorrow. Time to go to bed here. > > Thank you. > > -- Shamil > > > ???????, 19 ?????? 2013, 19:44 -05:00 ?? Arthur Fuller : >> Sorry, I meant Ubuntu Software Manager, but Synaptic Pakage Manager should >> work fine. >> >> Arthur >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Sat Jan 19 20:36:29 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2013 18:36:29 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Cool marketing: Nokia Releases 3D Print Files For Lumia 820 Smartphone. Got A 3D Printer? Custom Print Your Own Removable Shell In-Reply-To: References: <1358620509.499685139@f248.mail.ru><50FAEAF8.5040706@torchlake.com> Message-ID: <7E04601FA86D478194B8599CEFC11C73@creativesystemdesigns.com> I could visualize that. If you propped up Halle Berry in a bank you could easily go around and rifle all the tills with nobody noticing so why make a gun. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2013 11:56 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Cool marketing: Nokia Releases 3D Print Files For Lumia 820 Smartphone. Got A 3D Printer? Custom Print Your Own Removable Shell There was an episode of CSI on recently in which a guy used a 3D printer to print a pistol. Figures! Being much loftier, I would have printed Halle Berry :) Arthur _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From hans.andersen at phulse.com Sat Jan 19 20:38:14 2013 From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2013 18:38:14 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Ubuntu thin client In-Reply-To: References: <037e01cdf5c0$bb198430$314c8c90$@winhaven.net> <1358642551.487519624@f333.mail.ru> <1358643383.182043862@f333.mail.ru> Message-ID: <4041A1CF-3C29-4D91-8CAB-2C37749B6C3B@phulse.com> > My understanding is that Node.js is really just a wrapper around the super fast Google V8 engine Yup, pretty much. - Hans Sent from my iPhone On 2013-01-19, at 6:24 PM, "Jim Lawrence" wrote: > My understanding is that Node.js is really just a wrapper around the super > fast Google V8 engine (written in C/C++). It has a very small foot print and > will just extend your JavaScript skills for desktop to server. > > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov > Shamil > Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2013 4:56 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Ubuntu thin client > > OK, I see 'Ubuntu Software Center' but not '... Manager'. > > Anyway, I have got Synaptic Package Manager installed and searched for > node.js - here it's?: > > <<< > Node.js event-based server-side javascript engine > > Node.js is similar in design to and influenced by systems like > Ruby's Event Machine or Python's Twisted. > > It takes the event model a bit further - it presents the event > loop as a language construct instead of as a library. > > Node.js is bundled with several useful libraries to handle server tasks : > System, Events, Standard I/O, Modules, Timers, Child Processes, POSIX, > HTTP, Multipart Parsing, TCP, DNS, Assert, Path, URL, Query Strings. > > I will setup it tomorrow. Time to go to bed here. > > Thank you. > > -- Shamil > > > ???????, 19 ?????? 2013, 19:44 -05:00 ?? Arthur Fuller > : >> Sorry, I meant Ubuntu Software Manager, but Synaptic Pakage Manager should >> work fine. >> >> Arthur >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Sat Jan 19 22:22:11 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2013 20:22:11 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Cool marketing: Nokia Releases 3D Print Files For Lumia 820 Smartphone. Got A 3D Printer? Custom Print Your Own Removable Shell In-Reply-To: <1358630547.845591340@f348.mail.ru> References: <1358620509.499685139@f248.mail.ru><29CB626764564190970A2C907E5EABB9@creativesystemdesigns.com> <1358630547.845591340@f348.mail.ru> Message-ID: Ha ha ha. Wow that Kitchen is incredible. Do you have any idea how long the 3D printing would take? My friend produced a set of two helical cut gears in plastic, for his electric car and it took his printer over 3 hours to run. 1. The program that my friend uses to design his CAD objects is called OpenSCAD at http://www.openscad.org/ and again you have to follow terminal instructions to install it on your Ubuntu computer. After designing graphic and it looks good on the screen you can save the object as a STL file. 2. To translate the CAD STL file to CNC (Computer Numeric Control) code, which is standard for all robotic or automated machinery programming, you have to install and use a program called Pronterface at https://github.com/kliment/Printrun . You just download the ZIP file from GitHub and if my memory serves me well, on you Ubuntu Linux box, it will self-extract and install. (If this is not the case there are instructions within the zip file which will explain everything) The resulting file is G-Code which is then printed to your printers USB...something like 2500 baud...and so on...there are text files explaining it all. The resultant control file is written in simple text so it can be edited directly so you can change the temperature (top line is text file) of the extruding plastic...different types need different temperatures. (Interesting, enough the Pronterface is written in Python. It is amazing where it is being used.) There are some other things to consider but it is most what is needed. If you decide to go that route I can give you my friend's email and you guys can go from there. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov Shamil Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2013 1:22 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Cool marketing: Nokia Releases 3D Print Files For Lumia 820 Smartphone. Got A 3D Printer? Custom Print Your Own Removable Shell Hi Jim -- Good news. BTW here is a good site to test your 3D designs readiness?for 3D printing:? http://willit3dprint.com/ I'd need (to rent) a bigger 3D printer probably - for starters I'd like to "3D print" kitchen furniture facades - something like the following :) http://www.classic-mebel.com/galg-22.htm The above *standard*?set costs ~USD10,000 (ten thouzand) here (the price on web site (~USD4000) is incorrect, I have called that company), if I'd like to make some special shaping it could become much more expensive - with "3D priting factory" making such a kitchen furniture facades of any shape should be considerably cheaper I hope. -- Shamil ???????, 19 ?????? 2013, 12:10 -08:00 ?? "Jim Lawrence" : >A friend of mine confirms that this is not Sci-Fi but a reality...he has a >3D printer. It is a Riprap printer and sell from $350 to $500 and of course >supplies and graphic program (free from Linux) are extra. > >http://www.indiegogo.com/SeeMeCNC-H-1 > >It does require a specific type of plastic very resilient to pressure and >heat and even then the gun can only be fired a limited number of times. > >It is amazing that you could build a gun factory in your living room >starting at $350...producing guns that could not be detected in a metal >scanner. > >Jim ><<< skipped >>> _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Sat Jan 19 22:26:46 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2013 20:26:46 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Ubuntu thin client In-Reply-To: <1358635504.128486669@f157.mail.ru> References: <037e01cdf5c0$bb198430$314c8c90$@winhaven.net><1358633336.385684526@f39.mail.ru> <1358635504.128486669@f157.mail.ru> Message-ID: <159BFFF553514778AB879567F88E9E86@creativesystemdesigns.com> Well maybe you should check out Mono at http://www.mono-project.com/Main_Page Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov Shamil Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2013 2:45 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Ubuntu thin client Hi Jim -- I have posted this message from Firefox running under Ubuntu 12.04 TLS Hyper-V VM running under Win8 Prof. I have got installed Ubuntu VM in about 20 minutes. Not sure what should I do/check next. I will probably check in the coming days what I can do/develop on Ubuntu using MonoDroid - .NET/C# Thank you. -- Shamil ???????????, 20 ?????? 2013, 2:08 +04:00 ?? Salakhetdinov Shamil : >Hi Jim -- > >Thank you for the hint - I'm now installing Ubuntu 12.04 LTS (32bit) under Hyper-V - I'm going through a setup procedure as the following: > >http://blogs.msdn.com/b/virtual_pc_guy/archive/2012/05/02/ubuntu-12-04-unde r-hyper-v-on-windows-8.aspx > >I will post when setup finishes. > >-- Shamil > > >???????, 19 ?????? 2013, 11:53 -08:00 ?? "Jim Lawrence" < accessd at shaw.ca >: >>Hi All: >> >>For those interested in a thin client development/server for you >>applications like a POS, Accounting package and so on, see below. >> >>First, you will have to find a computer that you can use as a Ubuntu >>Station/Server. Virtually any computer can do and you can even easily setup >>a dual boot machine. It can be installed directly from the internet, a >>CD/DVD or even a USB stick. I would recommend Ubuntu version 12.04 as 12.10 >>may tend to be a little too leading edge. >> >> http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop >> >>Once the OS has been installed then you will have to install the Wine >>application >>( http://www.noobslab.com/2012/10/install-wine-1515-in-ubuntu.html ) ...not >>yet wait. Of course it can just be install through the Ubuntu software >>center, an easy search, click-install and run interface.) This will allow >>most Windows applications and games to running on the Ubuntu computer as >>they would under Windows. >> >>Second, the following application uses a Wine >>mashup( http://www.playonlinux.com/en/ ) to set the system up for Windows >>application and in this case Microsoft Office. >> >> http://askubuntu.com/questions/156296/how-to-install-microsoft-office-2010-i >>n-ubuntu-12-04 >> >>Third, next you setup your thin server to share your Access application as >>you might with SharePoint. This will allow Office and its Excel spreadsheets >>and Access applications to be shared across the network and web. >> >> http://www.thefanclub.co.za/how-to/how-create-ubuntu-1104-x64-ltsp-server-32 >>bit-thin-clients >> >>Fourth, once this has been done, add your users, automate the session >>startup applications and you are good to go. It should be noted that an >>certified copy or site license of MS Office should be on every computer >>accessing the terminal service, to make this all legal and if you are >>allowing terminal access across the web your security should reflect this. >> >>There are obviously other small pieces to assemble but this is it in a >>nut-shell. A simple and inexpensive SharePoint type environment. >> >>Have fun >>Jim >> > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sun Jan 20 07:35:56 2013 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 08:35:56 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Ubuntu thin client In-Reply-To: <1358643383.182043862@f333.mail.ru> References: <037e01cdf5c0$bb198430$314c8c90$@winhaven.net> <1358642551.487519624@f333.mail.ru> <1358643383.182043862@f333.mail.ru> Message-ID: Shamil, Sorry for the misdirection in naming; now that I really am a senior, my senior moments are more frequent. Also be sure to install jQuery.js, which is actually even more important than node.js. Arthur From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sun Jan 20 11:07:46 2013 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 12:07:46 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] BatMobile Sold Message-ID: The original BatMobile (the one used in the TV series) sole at auction yesterday for $4.2 Million USD. It came complete with a BatPhone (the precursor to cell-phones?). Speaking of phones, I was channel-surfing yesterday and happened upon an episode of Starsky and Hutch. Back then, phones were even smaller than Mini Coopers. -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. -- Niels Bohr From accessd at shaw.ca Sun Jan 20 11:49:08 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 09:49:08 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] BatMobile Sold In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3A9D99B986D64E9EABE19A822C3288D3@creativesystemdesigns.com> The famous brick... Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2013 9:08 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] BatMobile Sold The original BatMobile (the one used in the TV series) sole at auction yesterday for $4.2 Million USD. It came complete with a BatPhone (the precursor to cell-phones?). Speaking of phones, I was channel-surfing yesterday and happened upon an episode of Starsky and Hutch. Back then, phones were even smaller than Mini Coopers. -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. -- Niels Bohr _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Sun Jan 20 12:09:28 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 10:09:28 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Ubuntu thin client In-Reply-To: References: <037e01cdf5c0$bb198430$314c8c90$@winhaven.net><1358642551.487519624@f333.mail.ru><1358643383.182043862@f333.mail.ru> Message-ID: I am not sure whether JQuery is necessary just for Node.js as Node is the BE server and JQuery functionality is really FE but if you wish to directly combine FE and BE?... Here is a link to a page I have been using the study Node.js. The fellow giving the series of lessons is really very good and if you are thinking of playing with the webserver Node.js I could think of no better place to start. http://net.tutsplus.com/tutorials/javascript-ajax/this-time-youll-learn-node -js/ Note: There is ways to install Node.js on Windows but it will require a few more twists and turns to accomplish it. (I tried once, had some issues, probably environment conflicts, as it was on an active server, not a clean install, wanted immediate results, felt this might be the proverbial "tip of the iceberg" and so abandoned the effort.) Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2013 5:36 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Ubuntu thin client Shamil, Sorry for the misdirection in naming; now that I really am a senior, my senior moments are more frequent. Also be sure to install jQuery.js, which is actually even more important than node.js. Arthur _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From mcp2004 at mail.ru Sun Jan 20 15:22:23 2013 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 01:22:23 +0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?Ubuntu_thin_client?= In-Reply-To: <5F2DA18F-B494-42AC-8F02-1DE299E56DD9@phulse.com> References: <037e01cdf5c0$bb198430$314c8c90$@winhaven.net> <1358643383.182043862@f333.mail.ru> <5F2DA18F-B494-42AC-8F02-1DE299E56DD9@phulse.com> Message-ID: <1358716943.640842947@f196.mail.ru> Hi Hans -- I worked with command line OSes for 10+ years, I have even used typewriter to control Soviet clones of IBM 360/370. That was funny. Magnetic tapes and drums, JCL and punchcards etc. Then PIP (Peripheral Interchange Program) was one of my main tools to communicate with RSX11-M/PDP-11 as well as command line debugger ?or magnetic tape backup program (BRV?). As RSX11-M used Radix50 to keep chars as compact as possible within two bytes' words (6 chars) all the commands and arguments were rather cryptic - that is technology were C/Unix/Linux origin from: PDP-11 (and I even used to work with PDP-8 and punch tape to load programs into PDP-8).? I mean I'm not afraid of command line at all but only when it's really needed. I'm rarely using command line nowadays - nevertheless I'm doing quite advanced software development. -- Shamil ???????, 19 ?????? 2013, 18:35 -08:00 ?? Hans-Christian Andersen : >Yeah, you can use synaptic as well, but its probably better you get familiar with the command line sooner rather than later - especially if you are doing software development. :) > >- Hans > >Sent from my iPhone > >On 2013-01-19, at 4:56 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil < mcp2004 at mail.ru > wrote: > >> OK, I see 'Ubuntu Software Center' but not '... Manager'. >> >> Anyway, I have got Synaptic Package Manager installed and searched for node.js - here it's?: >> >> <<< >> Node.js event-based server-side javascript engine >> >> Node.js is similar in design to and influenced by systems like >> Ruby's Event Machine or Python's Twisted. >> >> It takes the event model a bit further - it presents the event >> loop as a language construct instead of as a library. >> >> Node.js is bundled with several useful libraries to handle server tasks : >> System, Events, Standard I/O, Modules, Timers, Child Processes, POSIX, >> HTTP, Multipart Parsing, TCP, DNS, Assert, Path, URL, Query Strings. >> >> I will setup it tomorrow. Time to go to bed here. >> >> Thank you. >> >> -- Shamil >> >> >> ???????, 19 ?????? 2013, 19:44 -05:00 ?? Arthur Fuller < fuller.artful at gmail.com >: >>> Sorry, I meant Ubuntu Software Manager, but Synaptic Pakage Manager should >>> work fine. >>> >>> Arthur > From mcp2004 at mail.ru Sun Jan 20 15:23:54 2013 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 01:23:54 +0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?Cool_marketing=3A_Nokia_Releases_3D_Print_Fi?= =?utf-8?q?les_For_Lumia_820_Smartphone=2E_Got_A_3D_Printer=3F_Custom_Prin?= =?utf-8?q?t_Your_Own_Removable_Shell?= In-Reply-To: References: <1358620509.499685139@f248.mail.ru> <1358630547.845591340@f348.mail.ru> Message-ID: <1358717033.65584338@f196.mail.ru> Thank you, Jim -- I will probably have to wait till #d Printers will become speedier :) -- Shamil ???????, 19 ?????? 2013, 20:22 -08:00 ?? "Jim Lawrence" : >Ha ha ha. > >Wow that Kitchen is incredible. Do you have any idea how long the 3D >printing would take? My friend produced a set of two helical cut gears in >plastic, for his electric car and it took his printer over 3 hours to run. > >1. The program that my friend uses to design his CAD objects is called >OpenSCAD at http://www.openscad.org/ and again you have to follow terminal >instructions to install it on your Ubuntu computer. After designing graphic >and it looks good on the screen you can save the object as a STL file. > >2. To translate the CAD STL file to CNC (Computer Numeric Control) code, >which is standard for all robotic or automated machinery programming, you >have to install and use a program called Pronterface at >https://github.com/kliment/Printrun . You just download the ZIP file from >GitHub and if my memory serves me well, on you Ubuntu Linux box, it will >self-extract and install. (If this is not the case there are instructions >within the zip file which will explain everything) The resulting file is >G-Code which is then printed to your printers USB...something like 2500 >baud...and so on...there are text files explaining it all. The resultant >control file is written in simple text so it can be edited directly so you >can change the temperature (top line is text file) of the extruding >plastic...different types need different temperatures. (Interesting, enough >the Pronterface is written in Python. It is amazing where it is being used.) > > >There are some other things to consider but it is most what is needed. If >you decide to go that route I can give you my friend's email and you guys >can go from there. > >Jim <<< skipped >>> > From mcp2004 at mail.ru Sun Jan 20 15:44:14 2013 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 01:44:14 +0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?Ubuntu_thin_client?= In-Reply-To: <2B5735C1326143A9B214E3F05F4AF693@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <037e01cdf5c0$bb198430$314c8c90$@winhaven.net> <1358639179.192036420@f53.mail.ru> <2B5735C1326143A9B214E3F05F4AF693@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <1358718254.527939320@f196.mail.ru> Hi Jim and Hans -- <<< ...such are Linux programmers who have to (like to) do everything the hard way. ;-) >>> True ;) Thank you for your tips/hints with Ubuntu. After my first short experience with Ubuntu running under Win8 Prof. Hyper-V I'm making an assumption that:? this is an easy to setup and to handle stuff in its current version. It should become even easier to handle it even for newbies with releasing of the new versions.? I'm still able to learn and to start effectively using that OS environment it in a few months if that will be needed. But nowadays MS Windows gives me much more powerful development environment and most of the mainstream technologies I'm using while developing for MS Windows are applicable for UNIX/Linux development. Anyway I will try to keep playing with Ubuntu (node.js/Ruby on Rails/...)/learning them if time will allow but I doubt I will have that much of spare time. -- Shamil ???????, 19 ?????? 2013, 18:20 -08:00 ?? "Jim Lawrence" : >The two applications, Node.js and Ruby on Rails are mostly full server based >products and real men, Linux IT people, don't use GUIs, sorry to say, so to >install the two applications follow the instructions. In the unlikely event >that you run into issues Hans knows everything. ;-) > >To install Node.js > >Open a command terminal window >Dash home > Terminal > >As soon as you enter any command session with sudo... you will be prompted >for your administrators username and password. > >Open Firefox, (I like Chrome so I always installed it right away) shown at >the left and go to the following site: >http://www.naumann.cc/?p=312 > >Note: you will have to compile node.js so it will run more reliably. Then >follow the instructions; just cut and past the shown commands in the order >they are given. > >How to install Ruby on Rails > >Just like Node.js it is all a manual installation process. If it was more >popular on the desktop edition of Ubuntu it would be in the "Ubuntu software >center" and have an easy script already but such are Linux programmers who >have to (like to) do everything the hard way. ;-) > >https://www.digitalocean.com/community/articles/how-to-install-ruby-on-rails >-on-ubuntu-12-04-lts-precise-pangolin-with-rvm > >HTH >Jim > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov >Shamil >Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2013 3:46 PM >To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues >Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Ubuntu thin client > >?Thank you, Hans -- > >Maybe in the (near) future I will have a look at node.js and Ruby on Rails. >Currently I can't find how I can get them installed via Ubuntu Software >Center (and I have just got successfully installed Mono Runtime and >MonoDevelop). > >But I can't find node.js and Ruby on Rails via Ubuntu Software Center. >Should I use some other ways to get them installed? > >Thank you. > >-- Shamil > ><<< skipped >>> From mcp2004 at mail.ru Sun Jan 20 15:45:27 2013 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 01:45:27 +0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?Ubuntu_thin_client?= References: <037e01cdf5c0$bb198430$314c8c90$@winhaven.net> <1358643383.182043862@f333.mail.ru> Message-ID: <1358718327.773907301@f153.mail.ru> No problem, Arthur. Thank you. -- Shamil ???????????, 20 ?????? 2013, 8:35 -05:00 ?? Arthur Fuller : >Shamil, > >Sorry for the misdirection in naming; now that I really am a senior, my >senior moments are more frequent. > >Also be sure to install jQuery.js, which is actually even more important >than node.js. > >Arthur >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Gustav at cactus.dk Sun Jan 20 16:25:44 2013 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 23:25:44 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Ubuntu thin client Message-ID: Hi Hans He he - didn't catch that - learning Shamil about familiarity with the command line. Nice joke! /gustav >>> mcp2004 at mail.ru 20-01-13 22:22 >>> Hi Hans -- I worked with command line OSes for 10+ years, I have even used typewriter to control Soviet clones of IBM 360/370. That was funny. Magnetic tapes and drums, JCL and punchcards etc. Then PIP (Peripheral Interchange Program) was one of my main tools to communicate with RSX11-M/PDP-11 as well as command line debugger *or magnetic tape backup program (BRV?). As RSX11-M used Radix50 to keep chars as compact as possible within two bytes' words (6 chars) all the commands and arguments were rather cryptic - that is technology were C/Unix/Linux origin from: PDP-11 (and I even used to work with PDP-8 and punch tape to load programs into PDP-8).* I mean I'm not afraid of command line at all but only when it's really needed. I'm rarely using command line nowadays - nevertheless I'm doing quite advanced software development. -- Shamil ???????, 19 ?????? 2013, 18:35 -08:00 ?? Hans-Christian Andersen :<~!B*+R^&>>Yeah, you can use synaptic as well, but its probably better you get familiar with the command line sooner rather than later - especially if you are doing software development. :) > >- Hans From hans.andersen at phulse.com Sun Jan 20 16:32:29 2013 From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 14:32:29 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Ubuntu thin client In-Reply-To: <1358716943.640842947@f196.mail.ru> References: <037e01cdf5c0$bb198430$314c8c90$@winhaven.net> <1358643383.182043862@f333.mail.ru> <5F2DA18F-B494-42AC-8F02-1DE299E56DD9@phulse.com> <1358716943.640842947@f196.mail.ru> Message-ID: <365E9BDA-2232-4EA1-99EF-AEEE71355F81@phulse.com> Hi Shamil, No problem then :) you should be fine using BASH then - Hans On 2013-01-20, at 1:22 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote: > Hi Hans -- > > I worked with command line OSes for 10+ years, I have even used typewriter to control Soviet clones of IBM 360/370. > That was funny. Magnetic tapes and drums, JCL and punchcards etc. > Then PIP (Peripheral Interchange Program) was one of my main tools to communicate with RSX11-M/PDP-11 as well as command line debugger or magnetic tape backup program (BRV?). As RSX11-M used Radix50 to keep chars as compact as possible within two bytes' words (6 chars) all the commands and arguments were rather cryptic - that is technology were C/Unix/Linux origin from: PDP-11 (and I even used to work with PDP-8 and punch tape to load programs into PDP-8). > I mean I'm not afraid of command line at all but only when it's really needed. > > I'm rarely using command line nowadays - nevertheless I'm doing quite advanced software development. > > -- Shamil > > ???????, 19 ?????? 2013, 18:35 -08:00 ?? Hans-Christian Andersen : >> Yeah, you can use synaptic as well, but its probably better you get familiar with the command line sooner rather than later - especially if you are doing software development. :) >> >> - Hans >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On 2013-01-19, at 4:56 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil < mcp2004 at mail.ru > wrote: >> >>> OK, I see 'Ubuntu Software Center' but not '... Manager'. >>> >>> Anyway, I have got Synaptic Package Manager installed and searched for node.js - here it's?: >>> >>> <<< >>> Node.js event-based server-side javascript engine >>> >>> Node.js is similar in design to and influenced by systems like >>> Ruby's Event Machine or Python's Twisted. >>> >>> It takes the event model a bit further - it presents the event >>> loop as a language construct instead of as a library. >>> >>> Node.js is bundled with several useful libraries to handle server tasks : >>> System, Events, Standard I/O, Modules, Timers, Child Processes, POSIX, >>> HTTP, Multipart Parsing, TCP, DNS, Assert, Path, URL, Query Strings. >>> >>> I will setup it tomorrow. Time to go to bed here. >>> >>> Thank you. >>> >>> -- Shamil >>> >>> >>> ???????, 19 ?????? 2013, 19:44 -05:00 ?? Arthur Fuller < fuller.artful at gmail.com >: >>>> Sorry, I meant Ubuntu Software Manager, but Synaptic Pakage Manager should >>>> work fine. >>>> >>>> Arthur >> > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From hans.andersen at phulse.com Sun Jan 20 16:54:27 2013 From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 14:54:27 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Ubuntu thin client In-Reply-To: <1358718254.527939320@f196.mail.ru> References: <037e01cdf5c0$bb198430$314c8c90$@winhaven.net> <1358639179.192036420@f53.mail.ru> <2B5735C1326143A9B214E3F05F4AF693@creativesystemdesigns.com> <1358718254.527939320@f196.mail.ru> Message-ID: I'm sure its possible to be quite productive writing software and managing servers using visual tools and IDE's (I use them myself), but I still find that it's nice working in an environment where there is no overhead of having a complex, resource intensive application / environment and there are some things that are quite easily done in a command line environment that cannot be done easily in a GUI application or cannot be done at all sometimes. It's not about doing it the hard way, it's just about being practical. BASH is so complete and minimal. Why would we need to complicate it further to start a node.js app then to just type: "node myproject.js" or run your Rails app tests with: "rake test" So simple. Then you can benefit from all that additional stuff that GUI apps don't inherently do, unless it was designed that way with built-in support. Like executing one application and piping the resulting data to some other application as a very simple example. I still think, as a developer, if you take the command line away from me, it's like chopping off one of my hands. I'll still do ok, but I just won't be as efficient. To each his or her own, but, in any event, if you want to do anything complex like software development on Ubuntu, any Linux or Unix system, Mac OS X etc, you will inevitably have to drop down to the command line if you are doing anything serious. - Hans On 2013-01-20, at 1:44 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote: > Hi Jim and Hans -- > > <<< > ...such are Linux programmers who > have to (like to) do everything the hard way. ;-) >>>> > True ;) > > Thank you for your tips/hints with Ubuntu. > > After my first short experience with Ubuntu running under Win8 Prof. Hyper-V I'm making an assumption that: this is an easy to setup and to handle stuff in its current version. It should become even easier to handle it even for newbies with releasing of the new versions. I'm still able to learn and to start effectively using that OS environment it in a few months if that will be needed. > But nowadays MS Windows gives me much more powerful development environment and most of the mainstream technologies I'm using while developing for MS Windows are applicable for UNIX/Linux development. > Anyway I will try to keep playing with Ubuntu (node.js/Ruby on Rails/...)/learning them if time will allow but I doubt I will have that much of spare time. > > -- Shamil > > ???????, 19 ?????? 2013, 18:20 -08:00 ?? "Jim Lawrence" : >> The two applications, Node.js and Ruby on Rails are mostly full server based >> products and real men, Linux IT people, don't use GUIs, sorry to say, so to >> install the two applications follow the instructions. In the unlikely event >> that you run into issues Hans knows everything. ;-) >> >> To install Node.js >> >> Open a command terminal window >> Dash home > Terminal >> >> As soon as you enter any command session with sudo... you will be prompted >> for your administrators username and password. >> >> Open Firefox, (I like Chrome so I always installed it right away) shown at >> the left and go to the following site: >> http://www.naumann.cc/?p=312 >> >> Note: you will have to compile node.js so it will run more reliably. Then >> follow the instructions; just cut and past the shown commands in the order >> they are given. >> >> How to install Ruby on Rails >> >> Just like Node.js it is all a manual installation process. If it was more >> popular on the desktop edition of Ubuntu it would be in the "Ubuntu software >> center" and have an easy script already but such are Linux programmers who >> have to (like to) do everything the hard way. ;-) >> >> https://www.digitalocean.com/community/articles/how-to-install-ruby-on-rails >> -on-ubuntu-12-04-lts-precise-pangolin-with-rvm >> >> HTH >> Jim >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov >> Shamil >> Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2013 3:46 PM >> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues >> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Ubuntu thin client >> >> Thank you, Hans -- >> >> Maybe in the (near) future I will have a look at node.js and Ruby on Rails. >> Currently I can't find how I can get them installed via Ubuntu Software >> Center (and I have just got successfully installed Mono Runtime and >> MonoDevelop). >> >> But I can't find node.js and Ruby on Rails via Ubuntu Software Center. >> Should I use some other ways to get them installed? >> >> Thank you. >> >> -- Shamil >> >> <<< skipped >>> > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Mon Jan 21 06:39:52 2013 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 07:39:52 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] TBBT t-shirts Message-ID: Somewhare, long ago, I read about the place that sells the t-shirts worn by Dr. Sheldon Cooper in The Big Bang Theory. I've tried Googling but so far all I've come up with are shirts *about *the show, not shirts *in* the show. The latter is what I'm seeking. Any suggestions? -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. -- Niels Bohr From jon.tydda at lonza.com Mon Jan 21 07:14:05 2013 From: jon.tydda at lonza.com (Tydda Jon - Slough) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 14:14:05 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] TBBT t-shirts In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: www.thinkgeek.com would be a good place to start - They do lots of film & tv shirts, plus they've got a great range of toys, books etc all catering for the geeks amongst us. Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: 21 January 2013 12:40 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] TBBT t-shirts Somewhare, long ago, I read about the place that sells the t-shirts worn by Dr. Sheldon Cooper in The Big Bang Theory. I've tried Googling but so far all I've come up with are shirts *about *the show, not shirts *in* the show. The latter is what I'm seeking. Any suggestions? -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. -- Niels Bohr _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com This communication and its attachments, if any, may contain confidential and privileged information the use of which by other persons or entities than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you receive this transmission in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete the material from your system. From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Mon Jan 21 07:51:38 2013 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 23:51:38 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] TBBT t-shirts In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <50FD47EA.8678.26038B84@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Second link on the first page of Google for: t shirts worn by Dr sheldon cooper http://collider.com/wear-these-every-shirt-sheldon-cooper-has-worn-on-the-big-bang-theory-a nd-where-you-can-buy-them/17060/ Second para has the link to: http://www.sheldonshirts.com/sheldon-shirts-page-1 -- Stuart On 21 Jan 2013 at 7:39, Arthur Fuller wrote: > Somewhare, long ago, I read about the place that sells the t-shirts worn by > Dr. Sheldon Cooper in The Big Bang Theory. I've tried Googling but so far > all I've come up with are shirts *about *the show, not shirts *in* the > show. The latter is what I'm seeking. Any suggestions? > > -- > Arthur > Cell: 647.710.1314 > > Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. > -- Niels Bohr > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Mon Jan 21 07:53:04 2013 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 23:53:04 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] TBBT t-shirts In-Reply-To: <50FD47EA.8678.26038B84@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: , <50FD47EA.8678.26038B84@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <50FD4840.20111.2604DD3B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> I just realised, that second link is the first one on the Google page. On 21 Jan 2013 at 23:51, Stuart McLachlan wrote: > Second link on the first page of Google for: > t shirts worn by Dr sheldon cooper > > http://collider.com/wear-these-every-shirt-sheldon-cooper-has-worn-on-the-big-bang-theory-a > nd-where-you-can-buy-them/17060/ > > Second para has the link to: > > http://www.sheldonshirts.com/sheldon-shirts-page-1 > > -- > Stuart > On 21 Jan 2013 at 7:39, Arthur Fuller wrote: > > > Somewhare, long ago, I read about the place that sells the t-shirts worn by > > Dr. Sheldon Cooper in The Big Bang Theory. I've tried Googling but so far > > all I've come up with are shirts *about *the show, not shirts *in* the > > show. The latter is what I'm seeking. Any suggestions? > > > > -- > > Arthur > > Cell: 647.710.1314 > > > > Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. > > -- Niels Bohr > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From fuller.artful at gmail.com Mon Jan 21 08:25:44 2013 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 09:25:44 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] TBBT t-shirts In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks, Jon, but I think I found an even better source. (I remembered a technique I learned in the amazing course I took on-line from Google: Power Searching with Google. The "trick" is to say what you're looking for, not what keywords you think might get you there. So I entered this: "shirts worn by Sheldon Cooper" (with the quotes), and up popped http://www.sheldonshirts.com/sheldon-shirts-page-1/ which contains several "shirts of interest", as the police like to say of persons. Any other listers interested in this arcane subject might want to visit there. A. From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Mon Jan 21 09:37:27 2013 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 07:37:27 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] TBBT t-shirts In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5E892B4AD484474C9C235248FC54E2D3@HAL9007> EBay search turns up same shorts cheaper. R -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Monday, January 21, 2013 6:26 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] TBBT t-shirts Thanks, Jon, but I think I found an even better source. (I remembered a technique I learned in the amazing course I took on-line from Google: Power Searching with Google. The "trick" is to say what you're looking for, not what keywords you think might get you there. So I entered this: "shirts worn by Sheldon Cooper" (with the quotes), and up popped http://www.sheldonshirts.com/sheldon-shirts-page-1/ which contains several "shirts of interest", as the police like to say of persons. Any other listers interested in this arcane subject might want to visit there. A. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Mon Jan 21 09:51:19 2013 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 10:51:19 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] TBBT t-shirts In-Reply-To: <5E892B4AD484474C9C235248FC54E2D3@HAL9007> References: <5E892B4AD484474C9C235248FC54E2D3@HAL9007> Message-ID: Thanks, Rocky. A, From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Jan 21 11:05:29 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 09:05:29 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Tight budgets In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: If you have not already seen this, here is an interesting article called, admins on tight budgets. It is hardly about admins or contract IT persons on tight budget but businesses on tight budgets. No this is not about how to migrate to a Linux shop but how to keep your Windows client happy and stable. The following link provides a nice list of good applications that any small client site should have as backend tools or desktop security and extended management. http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/10things/10-free-tools-for-admins-on-a-tigh t-budget/3407?tag=nl.e101&s_cid=e101 Jim From jon.tydda at lonza.com Mon Jan 21 11:19:52 2013 From: jon.tydda at lonza.com (Tydda Jon - Slough) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 18:19:52 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Tight budgets In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: All good looking tools, although I've been told that Hiren's BootCD is not entirely legal... Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: 21 January 2013 17:05 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Tight budgets If you have not already seen this, here is an interesting article called, admins on tight budgets. It is hardly about admins or contract IT persons on tight budget but businesses on tight budgets. No this is not about how to migrate to a Linux shop but how to keep your Windows client happy and stable. The following link provides a nice list of good applications that any small client site should have as backend tools or desktop security and extended management. http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/10things/10-free-tools-for-admins-on-a-tigh t-budget/3407?tag=nl.e101&s_cid=e101 Jim _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com This communication and its attachments, if any, may contain confidential and privileged information the use of which by other persons or entities than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you receive this transmission in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete the material from your system. From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Jan 21 11:55:31 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 09:55:31 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Tight budgets In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I think that has been the criticism of many compiled boot CDs, using Windows, like BartPE disk; there is no way to guarantee that the disk really is a legal copy...in the case of 2000, XP, Vista and 7, these versions are not even being sold anymore so any of these composite disks are technically illegal. Most of these builds just avoid this issue by booting with some Linux distro. Here is a link to a version of Linux which requires less than 50 MB to run: http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/ Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tydda Jon - Slough Sent: Monday, January 21, 2013 9:20 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Tight budgets All good looking tools, although I've been told that Hiren's BootCD is not entirely legal... Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: 21 January 2013 17:05 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Tight budgets If you have not already seen this, here is an interesting article called, admins on tight budgets. It is hardly about admins or contract IT persons on tight budget but businesses on tight budgets. No this is not about how to migrate to a Linux shop but how to keep your Windows client happy and stable. The following link provides a nice list of good applications that any small client site should have as backend tools or desktop security and extended management. http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/10things/10-free-tools-for-admins-on-a-tigh t-budget/3407?tag=nl.e101&s_cid=e101 Jim _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com This communication and its attachments, if any, may contain confidential and privileged information the use of which by other persons or entities than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you receive this transmission in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete the material from your system. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Jan 21 12:45:09 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 10:45:09 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] 3D printing on a cell phone In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A8B4BBD7CBC4E80BE982679E83068C3@creativesystemdesigns.com> There is now a 3D printing kit given out by the Nokia 820 cell phone. As those kits become more available industrious techs out there will start producing and recreating anything...cases, computer boards, chips and so on. Though micro technology is still limited to manufacturers with access to proprietary materials, design techniques and very specialized equipment Nokia might be the first company to provide a product capable of rebuilding itself. http://gigaom.com/2013/01/18/why-nokias-3d-printing-move-embraces-the-future / 3D printers now start at $350US and go up from there... Jim From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Jan 21 13:16:51 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 11:16:51 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Handy little MS SQL to SQLite convertor app In-Reply-To: <4A8B4BBD7CBC4E80BE982679E83068C3@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <4A8B4BBD7CBC4E80BE982679E83068C3@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <8892DD5AC4AA4FDC86E51DE17F51559D@creativesystemdesigns.com> How to Convert SQL Server DB to SQLite DB. This is perfect for those wishing to move to a single database from a huge MS SQL DB install to a portable SQLite DB. I have not tested to see whether it transfers SPs as well and I truly doubt whether tables with millions of records will export but do know that SQLite will far surpass the MS Access DB limits. http://www.codeproject.com/Articles/26932/Convert-SQL-Server-DB-to-SQLite-DB Below is a link to the connection string you would need to accompany your Access FE: http://www.connectionstrings.com/sqlite ...and here is where you can get your SQLite DB and browser access. http://sourceforge.net/projects/sqlitebrowser/ Jim From tinanfields at torchlake.com Mon Jan 21 16:27:00 2013 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 17:27:00 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Tight budgets In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <50FDC0B4.8020604@torchlake.com> Jim, Thanks for posting this link. It's a very interesting article. I ran into trouble when I tried to get Hiren's Boot CD. First off, the link provided did not work any of the times I tried it. Next, when I did find my way to the Facebook page and from there to the Hiren homepage, I still could not find the download for the Boot CD. Every download button (big and green) was for some other product. After at least a half-dozen tries, I gave up on that one. If I was just doing something wrong, I'd like to know. Any ideas? Best, T Tina Norris Fields tinanfields at torchlake.com 231-322-2787 On 1/21/2013 12:05 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > If you have not already seen this, here is an interesting article called, > admins on tight budgets. > > It is hardly about admins or contract IT persons on tight budget but > businesses on tight budgets. No this is not about how to migrate to a Linux > shop but how to keep your Windows client happy and stable. The following > link provides a nice list of good applications that any small client site > should have as backend tools or desktop security and extended management. > > http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/10things/10-free-tools-for-admins-on-a-tight-budget/3407?tag=nl.e101&s_cid=e101 > > Jim > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From hkotsch at arcor.de Mon Jan 21 16:39:09 2013 From: hkotsch at arcor.de (Helmut Kotsch) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 23:39:09 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Tight budgets In-Reply-To: <50FDC0B4.8020604@torchlake.com> Message-ID: Use http://www.ubcd4win.com/ Helmut -----Ursprungliche Nachricht----- Von: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]Im Auftrag von Tina Norris Fields Gesendet: Montag, 21. Januar 2013 23:27 An: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Betreff: Re: [dba-Tech] Tight budgets Jim, Thanks for posting this link. It's a very interesting article. I ran into trouble when I tried to get Hiren's Boot CD. First off, the link provided did not work any of the times I tried it. Next, when I did find my way to the Facebook page and from there to the Hiren homepage, I still could not find the download for the Boot CD. Every download button (big and green) was for some other product. After at least a half-dozen tries, I gave up on that one. If I was just doing something wrong, I'd like to know. Any ideas? Best, T Tina Norris Fields tinanfields at torchlake.com 231-322-2787 On 1/21/2013 12:05 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > If you have not already seen this, here is an interesting article called, > admins on tight budgets. > > It is hardly about admins or contract IT persons on tight budget but > businesses on tight budgets. No this is not about how to migrate to a Linux > shop but how to keep your Windows client happy and stable. The following > link provides a nice list of good applications that any small client site > should have as backend tools or desktop security and extended management. > > http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/10things/10-free-tools-for-admins-on-a-tigh t-budget/3407?tag=nl.e101&s_cid=e101 > > Jim > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Mon Jan 21 16:41:12 2013 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 08:41:12 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Tight budgets In-Reply-To: <50FDC0B4.8020604@torchlake.com> References: , , <50FDC0B4.8020604@torchlake.com> Message-ID: <50FDC408.7651.27E86162@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> http://www.hirensbootcd.org/files/Hirens.BootCD.15.2.zip The link is in the green box near the bottom of http://www.hirensbootcd.org/download/ -- Stuart On 21 Jan 2013 at 17:27, Tina Norris Fields wrote: > Jim, > > Thanks for posting this link. It's a very interesting article. I ran > into trouble when I tried to get Hiren's Boot CD. First off, the link > provided did not work any of the times I tried it. Next, when I did > find my way to the Facebook page and from there to the Hiren homepage, I > still could not find the download for the Boot CD. Every download > button (big and green) was for some other product. After at least a > half-dozen tries, I gave up on that one. > > If I was just doing something wrong, I'd like to know. Any ideas? > > Best, > T > > Tina Norris Fields > tinanfields at torchlake.com > 231-322-2787 > > On 1/21/2013 12:05 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > > If you have not already seen this, here is an interesting article called, > > admins on tight budgets. > > > > It is hardly about admins or contract IT persons on tight budget but > > businesses on tight budgets. No this is not about how to migrate to a Linux > > shop but how to keep your Windows client happy and stable. The following > > link provides a nice list of good applications that any small client site > > should have as backend tools or desktop security and extended management. > > > > http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/10things/10-free-tools-for-admins-on-a-tight-budget/3407?tag=nl.e101&s_cid=e101 > > > > Jim > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Jan 21 16:58:41 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 14:58:41 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Tight budgets In-Reply-To: <50FDC0B4.8020604@torchlake.com> References: <50FDC0B4.8020604@torchlake.com> Message-ID: <64759616C48648C5AB0EA694D9BBDD58@creativesystemdesigns.com> Hi Tina: You now have link and probably the copy you need. That policy of page obfuscation seems rampant but I have no idea what is being attempted as I have never and would assume everyone else would ever down load another application when looking for only a specific product. There must be a reason and if you have any insight I would entertain your theories as I have none. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris Fields Sent: Monday, January 21, 2013 2:27 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Tight budgets Jim, Thanks for posting this link. It's a very interesting article. I ran into trouble when I tried to get Hiren's Boot CD. First off, the link provided did not work any of the times I tried it. Next, when I did find my way to the Facebook page and from there to the Hiren homepage, I still could not find the download for the Boot CD. Every download button (big and green) was for some other product. After at least a half-dozen tries, I gave up on that one. If I was just doing something wrong, I'd like to know. Any ideas? Best, T Tina Norris Fields tinanfields at torchlake.com 231-322-2787 On 1/21/2013 12:05 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > If you have not already seen this, here is an interesting article called, > admins on tight budgets. > > It is hardly about admins or contract IT persons on tight budget but > businesses on tight budgets. No this is not about how to migrate to a Linux > shop but how to keep your Windows client happy and stable. The following > link provides a nice list of good applications that any small client site > should have as backend tools or desktop security and extended management. > > http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/10things/10-free-tools-for-admins-on-a-tigh t-budget/3407?tag=nl.e101&s_cid=e101 > > Jim > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Mon Jan 21 18:35:01 2013 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 10:35:01 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Tight budgets In-Reply-To: <64759616C48648C5AB0EA694D9BBDD58@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: , <50FDC0B4.8020604@torchlake.com>, <64759616C48648C5AB0EA694D9BBDD58@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <50FDDEB5.1684.28509926@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Pay per click revenue when people follow the other links. -- Stuart On 21 Jan 2013 at 14:58, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Hi Tina: > > You now have link and probably the copy you need. > > That policy of page obfuscation seems rampant but I have no idea what is > being attempted as I have never and would assume everyone else would ever > down load another application when looking for only a specific product. > There must be a reason and if you have any insight I would entertain your > theories as I have none. > > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris > Fields > Sent: Monday, January 21, 2013 2:27 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Tight budgets > > Jim, > > Thanks for posting this link. It's a very interesting article. I ran > into trouble when I tried to get Hiren's Boot CD. First off, the link > provided did not work any of the times I tried it. Next, when I did > find my way to the Facebook page and from there to the Hiren homepage, I > still could not find the download for the Boot CD. Every download > button (big and green) was for some other product. After at least a > half-dozen tries, I gave up on that one. > > If I was just doing something wrong, I'd like to know. Any ideas? > > Best, > T > > Tina Norris Fields > tinanfields at torchlake.com > 231-322-2787 > > On 1/21/2013 12:05 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > > If you have not already seen this, here is an interesting article called, > > admins on tight budgets. > > > > It is hardly about admins or contract IT persons on tight budget but > > businesses on tight budgets. No this is not about how to migrate to a > Linux > > shop but how to keep your Windows client happy and stable. The following > > link provides a nice list of good applications that any small client site > > should have as backend tools or desktop security and extended management. > > > > > http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/10things/10-free-tools-for-admins-on-a-tigh > t-budget/3407?tag=nl.e101&s_cid=e101 > > > > Jim > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Jan 21 18:40:41 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 16:40:41 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Coding JavaScript In-Reply-To: <50FDC408.7651.27E86162@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: , , <50FDC0B4.8020604@torchlake.com> <50FDC408.7651.27E86162@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <5AF4986EAF6049469B4FDB649193A4E0@creativesystemdesigns.com> Much of my programming is in JavaScript and there is bound to be much more needed in the future especially if I start working Node.js. My favourite editor or IDE is nothing fancy just Programmer's Notepad. (http://www.pnotepad.org/download/) It is simple, fast and can easily switch from one language to another like HTML or JavaScript, provide easy data manipulation, colourizes the keyword text and auto closes tags. Now there is the Alpha version of Light Table, a full intellisense, JavaScript editor and at first blush it looks really nice. http://www.lighttable.com/ And it has iOS, Windows and Linux32/64 versions. Just a note: how it installs on both Windows and Linux is strange to say the least. For example; on Windows it actually runs from where it is upzipped, no registry setting, dependencies, all are in one unzip folder or any installation in the Programs directories. It does also dump process folders all over the place...fortunately mostly within the installer's user directory. In Linux it does exactly the same process; where it is unachived is where in runs, no dependencies, no make and no compiling....but after all it is an Alpha version. As much as I love Programmer's Notepad on Windows there is not an obvious direct comparison product, with Linux but there is a simple product that can be easily enhanced to fill that gap. It is "Gedit", a super simple Windows Note like editor but it has one feature that changes everything. It has extensible plug-in capabilities. What that does is allow third party developers to build plug-ins for their favour programming language like R on R, JavaScript, HTML, Python, PHP, C and so on. These plug-ins are all over the place and thanks to Google they can be easily found, downloaded and used. Below is a link to various language plug-ins and instruction on how to install those plug-ins...some even go so far as to provide rudimentary intellisense capabilities. http://grigio.org/pimp_my_gedit_was_textmate_linux If you are feeling particularly adventuresome, seeing Gedit is written in Python, you can write or enhance your own plug-ins. :-) https://live.gnome.org/Gedit/PythonPluginHowTo Hope this helps somebody. Jim From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Jan 21 20:25:15 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 18:25:15 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Tight budgets In-Reply-To: <50FDDEB5.1684.28509926@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: , <50FDC0B4.8020604@torchlake.com>, <64759616C48648C5AB0EA694D9BBDD58@creativesystemdesigns.com> <50FDDEB5.1684.28509926@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: Unfortunately, that makes perfect sense. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Monday, January 21, 2013 4:35 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Tight budgets Pay per click revenue when people follow the other links. -- Stuart On 21 Jan 2013 at 14:58, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Hi Tina: > > You now have link and probably the copy you need. > > That policy of page obfuscation seems rampant but I have no idea what is > being attempted as I have never and would assume everyone else would ever > down load another application when looking for only a specific product. > There must be a reason and if you have any insight I would entertain your > theories as I have none. > > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris > Fields > Sent: Monday, January 21, 2013 2:27 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Tight budgets > > Jim, > > Thanks for posting this link. It's a very interesting article. I ran > into trouble when I tried to get Hiren's Boot CD. First off, the link > provided did not work any of the times I tried it. Next, when I did > find my way to the Facebook page and from there to the Hiren homepage, I > still could not find the download for the Boot CD. Every download > button (big and green) was for some other product. After at least a > half-dozen tries, I gave up on that one. > > If I was just doing something wrong, I'd like to know. Any ideas? > > Best, > T > > Tina Norris Fields > tinanfields at torchlake.com > 231-322-2787 > > On 1/21/2013 12:05 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > > If you have not already seen this, here is an interesting article called, > > admins on tight budgets. > > > > It is hardly about admins or contract IT persons on tight budget but > > businesses on tight budgets. No this is not about how to migrate to a > Linux > > shop but how to keep your Windows client happy and stable. The following > > link provides a nice list of good applications that any small client site > > should have as backend tools or desktop security and extended management. > > > > > http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/10things/10-free-tools-for-admins-on-a-tigh > t-budget/3407?tag=nl.e101&s_cid=e101 > > > > Jim > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From gustav at cactus.dk Tue Jan 22 01:12:05 2013 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 08:12:05 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Coding JavaScript Message-ID: <000801cdf86f$c8f9e110$5aeda330$@cactus.dk> Hi Jim If you are serious about JavaScript, look for TypeScript: http://www.typescriptlang.org/ It even acts as a plugin to Visual Studio with IntelliSense. For anyone as lazy as I am (=always lacking time), programming without IntelliSense is plain waste of time. /gustav -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Jim Lawrence Sendt: 22. januar 2013 01:41 Til: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Emne: [dba-Tech] Coding JavaScript Much of my programming is in JavaScript and there is bound to be much more needed in the future especially if I start working Node.js. My favourite editor or IDE is nothing fancy just Programmer's Notepad. (http://www.pnotepad.org/download/) It is simple, fast and can easily switch from one language to another like HTML or JavaScript, provide easy data manipulation, colourizes the keyword text and auto closes tags. Now there is the Alpha version of Light Table, a full intellisense, JavaScript editor and at first blush it looks really nice. http://www.lighttable.com/ And it has iOS, Windows and Linux32/64 versions. Just a note: how it installs on both Windows and Linux is strange to say the least. For example; on Windows it actually runs from where it is upzipped, no registry setting, dependencies, all are in one unzip folder or any installation in the Programs directories. It does also dump process folders all over the place...fortunately mostly within the installer's user directory. In Linux it does exactly the same process; where it is unachived is where in runs, no dependencies, no make and no compiling....but after all it is an Alpha version. As much as I love Programmer's Notepad on Windows there is not an obvious direct comparison product, with Linux but there is a simple product that can be easily enhanced to fill that gap. It is "Gedit", a super simple Windows Note like editor but it has one feature that changes everything. It has extensible plug-in capabilities. What that does is allow third party developers to build plug-ins for their favour programming language like R on R, JavaScript, HTML, Python, PHP, C and so on. These plug-ins are all over the place and thanks to Google they can be easily found, downloaded and used. Below is a link to various language plug-ins and instruction on how to install those plug-ins...some even go so far as to provide rudimentary intellisense capabilities. http://grigio.org/pimp_my_gedit_was_textmate_linux If you are feeling particularly adventuresome, seeing Gedit is written in Python, you can write or enhance your own plug-ins. :-) https://live.gnome.org/Gedit/PythonPluginHowTo Hope this helps somebody. Jim From accessd at shaw.ca Tue Jan 22 05:48:11 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 03:48:11 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Coding JavaScript In-Reply-To: <000801cdf86f$c8f9e110$5aeda330$@cactus.dk> References: <000801cdf86f$c8f9e110$5aeda330$@cactus.dk> Message-ID: <00FDF2098B6F473A9CCBBB1C59CCD17A@creativesystemdesigns.com> Hi Gustav: Been up to my head with Node.js, since yesterday and should have a fair working knowledge by the weekend? (sometime in the future?) ;-) I have heard of it before; TypeScript, but just thought that it was under a standard Microsoft type license so ignored it. Checked and it appears to be under a Apache V2 license so it does appear to be safe. It also sounds like an interesting programming language/adaption. Thanks for the heads up. Something more to master by the weekend. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Monday, January 21, 2013 11:12 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Coding JavaScript Hi Jim If you are serious about JavaScript, look for TypeScript: http://www.typescriptlang.org/ It even acts as a plugin to Visual Studio with IntelliSense. For anyone as lazy as I am (=always lacking time), programming without IntelliSense is plain waste of time. /gustav -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Jim Lawrence Sendt: 22. januar 2013 01:41 Til: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Emne: [dba-Tech] Coding JavaScript Much of my programming is in JavaScript and there is bound to be much more needed in the future especially if I start working Node.js. My favourite editor or IDE is nothing fancy just Programmer's Notepad. (http://www.pnotepad.org/download/) It is simple, fast and can easily switch from one language to another like HTML or JavaScript, provide easy data manipulation, colourizes the keyword text and auto closes tags. Now there is the Alpha version of Light Table, a full intellisense, JavaScript editor and at first blush it looks really nice. http://www.lighttable.com/ And it has iOS, Windows and Linux32/64 versions. Just a note: how it installs on both Windows and Linux is strange to say the least. For example; on Windows it actually runs from where it is upzipped, no registry setting, dependencies, all are in one unzip folder or any installation in the Programs directories. It does also dump process folders all over the place...fortunately mostly within the installer's user directory. In Linux it does exactly the same process; where it is unachived is where in runs, no dependencies, no make and no compiling....but after all it is an Alpha version. As much as I love Programmer's Notepad on Windows there is not an obvious direct comparison product, with Linux but there is a simple product that can be easily enhanced to fill that gap. It is "Gedit", a super simple Windows Note like editor but it has one feature that changes everything. It has extensible plug-in capabilities. What that does is allow third party developers to build plug-ins for their favour programming language like R on R, JavaScript, HTML, Python, PHP, C and so on. These plug-ins are all over the place and thanks to Google they can be easily found, downloaded and used. Below is a link to various language plug-ins and instruction on how to install those plug-ins...some even go so far as to provide rudimentary intellisense capabilities. http://grigio.org/pimp_my_gedit_was_textmate_linux If you are feeling particularly adventuresome, seeing Gedit is written in Python, you can write or enhance your own plug-ins. :-) https://live.gnome.org/Gedit/PythonPluginHowTo Hope this helps somebody. Jim _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From hans.andersen at phulse.com Tue Jan 22 06:00:41 2013 From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 04:00:41 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Coding JavaScript In-Reply-To: <00FDF2098B6F473A9CCBBB1C59CCD17A@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <000801cdf86f$c8f9e110$5aeda330$@cactus.dk> <00FDF2098B6F473A9CCBBB1C59CCD17A@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <19F99034-F796-4963-8765-3460CA119370@phulse.com> Hi jim, Have a look at Sublime Text as a great cross platform code editor (its all I use these days)). Also, I recommend coffeescript over typescript. You will find that it has far more traction in the web dev community. Best regards, Hans-Christian Andersen On 22 Jan 2013, at 03:48, "Jim Lawrence" wrote: > Hi Gustav: > > Been up to my head with Node.js, since yesterday and should have a fair > working knowledge by the weekend? (sometime in the future?) ;-) > > I have heard of it before; TypeScript, but just thought that it was under a > standard Microsoft type license so ignored it. Checked and it appears to be > under a Apache V2 license so it does appear to be safe. It also sounds like > an interesting programming language/adaption. Thanks for the heads up. > > Something more to master by the weekend. > > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock > Sent: Monday, January 21, 2013 11:12 PM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Coding JavaScript > > Hi Jim > > If you are serious about JavaScript, look for TypeScript: > > http://www.typescriptlang.org/ > > It even acts as a plugin to Visual Studio with IntelliSense. For anyone as > lazy as I am (=always lacking time), programming without IntelliSense is > plain waste of time. > > /gustav > > > -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- > Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Jim Lawrence > Sendt: 22. januar 2013 01:41 > Til: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Emne: [dba-Tech] Coding JavaScript > > Much of my programming is in JavaScript and there is bound to be much more > needed in the future especially if I start working Node.js. > > My favourite editor or IDE is nothing fancy just Programmer's Notepad. > (http://www.pnotepad.org/download/) It is simple, fast and can easily switch > from one language to another like HTML or JavaScript, provide easy data > manipulation, colourizes the keyword text and auto closes tags. > > Now there is the Alpha version of Light Table, a full intellisense, > JavaScript editor and at first blush it looks really nice. > > http://www.lighttable.com/ > > And it has iOS, Windows and Linux32/64 versions. Just a note: how it > installs on both Windows and Linux is strange to say the least. For example; > on Windows it actually runs from where it is upzipped, no registry setting, > dependencies, all are in one unzip folder or any installation in the > Programs directories. It does also dump process folders all over the > place...fortunately mostly within the installer's user directory. In Linux > it does exactly the same process; where it is unachived is where in runs, no > dependencies, no make and no compiling....but after all it is an Alpha > version. > > As much as I love Programmer's Notepad on Windows there is not an obvious > direct comparison product, with Linux but there is a simple product that can > be easily enhanced to fill that gap. It is "Gedit", a super simple Windows > Note like editor but it has one feature that changes everything. It has > extensible plug-in capabilities. > > What that does is allow third party developers to build plug-ins for their > favour programming language like R on R, JavaScript, HTML, Python, PHP, C > and so on. These plug-ins are all over the place and thanks to Google they > can be easily found, downloaded and used. Below is a link to various > language plug-ins and instruction on how to install those plug-ins...some > even go so far as to provide rudimentary intellisense capabilities. > > http://grigio.org/pimp_my_gedit_was_textmate_linux > > If you are feeling particularly adventuresome, seeing Gedit is written in > Python, you can write or enhance your own plug-ins. :-) > > https://live.gnome.org/Gedit/PythonPluginHowTo > > Hope this helps somebody. > Jim > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From tinanfields at torchlake.com Tue Jan 22 07:38:52 2013 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 08:38:52 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Tight budgets In-Reply-To: <50FDC408.7651.27E86162@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: , , <50FDC0B4.8020604@torchlake.com> <50FDC408.7651.27E86162@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <50FE966C.5040601@torchlake.com> Thanks, Stuart. I had scrolled all the way down to the very bottom of the page, and must have gone too quickly through the last bit of it. I was getting pretty frustrated by then. Thanks again. T Tina Norris Fields tinanfields at torchlake.com 231-322-2787 On 1/21/2013 5:41 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote: > http://www.hirensbootcd.org/files/Hirens.BootCD.15.2.zip > > The link is in the green box near the bottom of > http://www.hirensbootcd.org/download/ > From tinanfields at torchlake.com Tue Jan 22 07:39:44 2013 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 08:39:44 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Tight budgets In-Reply-To: References: , <50FDC0B4.8020604@torchlake.com>, <64759616C48648C5AB0EA694D9BBDD58@creativesystemdesigns.com> <50FDDEB5.1684.28509926@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <50FE96A0.9070806@torchlake.com> I'll bet Stuart is right. T Tina Norris Fields tinanfields at torchlake.com 231-322-2787 On 1/21/2013 9:25 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Unfortunately, that makes perfect sense. > > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan > Sent: Monday, January 21, 2013 4:35 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Tight budgets > > Pay per click revenue when people follow the other links. > From john at winhaven.net Tue Jan 22 10:35:22 2013 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 10:35:22 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Microsoft Surface Pro Tablets Roll Off Assembly Line as Launch Nears Message-ID: <012c01cdf8be$79875780$6c960680$@winhaven.net> Will it be well received or a flop? http://www.eweek.com/mobile/microsoft-surface-pro-tablets-roll-off-assembly- line-as-launch-nears/?kc=EWKNLEDP01222013B From hans.andersen at phulse.com Tue Jan 22 11:08:34 2013 From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 09:08:34 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Microsoft Surface Pro Tablets Roll Off Assembly Line as Launch Nears In-Reply-To: <012c01cdf8be$79875780$6c960680$@winhaven.net> References: <012c01cdf8be$79875780$6c960680$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: In my opinion, it will do better than Surface RT, but it is still very expensive for the average consumer and Windows 8 is still too confusing for the average person. Perhaps it will carve out a niche in the corporate world, but I don't think that will be enough to consider it truly a success? - Hans On 2013-01-22, at 8:35 AM, "John Bartow" wrote: > Will it be well received or a flop? > > > > http://www.eweek.com/mobile/microsoft-surface-pro-tablets-roll-off-assembly- > line-as-launch-nears/?kc=EWKNLEDP01222013B > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Tue Jan 22 15:00:04 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 13:00:04 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Client Java is dead In-Reply-To: References: <012c01cdf8be$79875780$6c960680$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: Client Java should be completely removed from all your clients and even strong Java proponents agree. Like the Flash programming language before it, any remotely run and updated application on your desktop is dangerous...this is why there are browsers. Here is a link to a good discussion on the subject: http://www.javaworld.com/javaworld/jw-01-2013/130115-how-to-kill-java-dead.h tml Jim From mcp2004 at mail.ru Tue Jan 22 15:31:11 2013 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 01:31:11 +0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?Client_Java_is_dead?= In-Reply-To: References: <012c01cdf8be$79875780$6c960680$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: <1358890271.77135345@f377.i.mail.ru> Joke? ???????, 22 ?????? 2013, 13:00 -08:00 ?? "Jim Lawrence" : >Client Java should be completely removed from all your clients and even >strong Java proponents agree. Like the Flash programming language before it, >any remotely run and updated application on your desktop is dangerous...this >is why there are browsers. Here is a link to a good discussion on the >subject: > >http://www.javaworld.com/javaworld/jw-01-2013/130115-how-to-kill-java-dead.h >tml > >Jim > >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From hans.andersen at phulse.com Tue Jan 22 16:57:46 2013 From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 14:57:46 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Client Java is dead In-Reply-To: References: <012c01cdf8be$79875780$6c960680$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: Eh. The larger issue is java applets in the browser not desktop/server apps, but, even so, this is what you get when you use any framework or language that is a wrapper around the more complex underbelly of your computer and operating system. The same is just as true for the .NET framework or even my web application framework. The real issue behind all this is: - When you are popular, you become a bigger target. Java is a massive target. - The nature of the company behind it. And, in this case, we are talking about Oracle. 'nuff said! :) - The fact that it is near impossible to write perfectly secure code or design perfectly secure systems. I don't personally have any love for Java, but I don't feel like grabbing a pitchfork and torch and jumping on the hate bandwagon, because Java isn't the real monster. Like they say, don't throw rocks when you live in a glass house. :) Best regards, Hans-Christian Andersen On 22 Jan 2013, at 13:00, "Jim Lawrence" wrote: > Client Java should be completely removed from all your clients and even > strong Java proponents agree. Like the Flash programming language before it, > any remotely run and updated application on your desktop is dangerous...this > is why there are browsers. Here is a link to a good discussion on the > subject: > > http://www.javaworld.com/javaworld/jw-01-2013/130115-how-to-kill-java-dead.h > tml > > Jim > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From peter.brawley at earthlink.net Tue Jan 22 19:26:57 2013 From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 19:26:57 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Client Java is dead In-Reply-To: References: <012c01cdf8be$79875780$6c960680$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: <50FF3C61.1050508@earthlink.net> On 2013-01-22 3:00 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Client Java should be completely removed from all your clients and even > strong Java proponents agree. Like the Flash programming language before it, > any remotely run and updated application on your desktop is dangerous...this > is why there are browsers. Here is a link to a good discussion on the > subject: > > http://www.javaworld.com/javaworld/jw-01-2013/130115-how-to-kill-java-dead.h > tml On that reasoning, Windows and Internet Explorer have been dead for a dozen years. PB ----- > > Jim > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From accessd at shaw.ca Wed Jan 23 01:25:18 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 23:25:18 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Client Java is dead In-Reply-To: <50FF3C61.1050508@earthlink.net> References: <012c01cdf8be$79875780$6c960680$@winhaven.net> <50FF3C61.1050508@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <93D9B17C0D184F77BD83AE9615CB7E7F@creativesystemdesigns.com> I do think the whole issue is a little over done but why did government officials singled out and targeted Java specifically, as you said, look no further than Microsoft and IE when the word vulnerable is being mentioned. Everyone would have carried on blissful unaware of the incredible dangers of posed by Java. Here is my theory and I will paraphrase from various article read and news stories published. According to some information distributed from the government, it believes that we are on the tip of very large foreign government sponsored cyber attacks. Mind you, we started it here and amazingly enough the government is discovering that techs in other countries are not stupid and can retaliate with equal force...and have. Maybe it believes that everyone using Java on the desktop is vulnerable and computers using Java may just end up being pawns in subsequent waves of internal attacks. So the government is trying to preemptively eliminate internal weaknesses. Whether such an idea is ridiculous is one thing but I would not put it past some senior government official for believing it...as they just don't get out often enough. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Peter Brawley Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2013 5:27 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Client Java is dead On 2013-01-22 3:00 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Client Java should be completely removed from all your clients and even > strong Java proponents agree. Like the Flash programming language before it, > any remotely run and updated application on your desktop is dangerous...this > is why there are browsers. Here is a link to a good discussion on the > subject: > > http://www.javaworld.com/javaworld/jw-01-2013/130115-how-to-kill-java-dead.h > tml On that reasoning, Windows and Internet Explorer have been dead for a dozen years. PB ----- > > Jim > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Wed Jan 23 14:17:45 2013 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 15:17:45 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Even McJobs are one their way out Message-ID: This from slashdot: *"No longer will they say, 'He's going to end up flipping burgers.' Now, robots are taking even these ignobly esteemed jobs. San Francisco based Momentum Machines makes a robot called the Alpha that can churn out 360 gourmet burgers per hour. The company plans on launching the first ever burger restaurant chain with a cook staff made entirely of robots. You think Americans are obese right now? Just wait."* -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. -- Niels Bohr From df.waters at comcast.net Wed Jan 23 14:59:46 2013 From: df.waters at comcast.net (Dan Waters) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 14:59:46 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Even McJobs are one their way out In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <007001cdf9ac$935d0350$ba1709f0$@comcast.net> I bet they taste better! And - vending machines would be great! Dan -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2013 2:18 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Even McJobs are one their way out This from slashdot: *"No longer will they say, 'He's going to end up flipping burgers.' Now, robots are taking even these ignobly esteemed jobs. San Francisco based Momentum Machines makes a robot called the Alpha that can churn out 360 gourmet burgers per hour. The company plans on launching the first ever burger restaurant chain with a cook staff made entirely of robots. You think Americans are obese right now? Just wait."* -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. -- Niels Bohr _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Wed Jan 23 21:13:37 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 19:13:37 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Node.js In-Reply-To: <007001cdf9ac$935d0350$ba1709f0$@comcast.net> References: <007001cdf9ac$935d0350$ba1709f0$@comcast.net> Message-ID: <34A476CBDBA1413FAA0B41A600DED602@creativesystemdesigns.com> Node.js is stinking fast... How fast you ask. Let's take IIS and Apache and pound at them until they crash. On identical machines IIS bailed at about 5500 hits ps and Apache at about 6000 hits ps. Then take Ingnx and it is still running at 8000 hits ps... Node.js is about 10 to 15 percent faster. The tests given did not crash the last two webservers. While all other webservers are thinking, caching and running, Node is just doing. So what are the downsides...well have plenty of memory. Just like Chrome on your desktop it will expand to use memory and CPU cycles. It is a pig, a very fast pig though... it is slow to do garbage collection. Using it is a lot of fun as there is no substitute for pure horsepower. Now which is the best JavaScript language developer, there are dozens of great library out but for developing we have CoffeeScript, TrueType and AngularJS. All have good features. So what is the best one? Jim From gustav at cactus.dk Thu Jan 24 07:18:21 2013 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2013 14:18:21 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] System administration Message-ID: <006701cdfa35$4825cd20$d8716760$@cactus.dk> Hi all What do you use for administration? I mean real administration where you schedule tasks and checks to document what has been done on your LAN and what's next. We run a small LAN on two locations (connected via VPN over ADSL2 lines) with as much as possible hooked into AD, and Windows-only for servers as well as workstations. About 10 workstations (mix of desktops and laptops). Not much, but still it adds up to six physical servers, eight VMs for remote desktops for remote clients, and about ten VMs for everything else (spam filter, mail, database servers, DCs, etc.). I've found it's quite a job to keep track of updates and backup of VMs, data, configurations - we miss some kind of "bookkeeping for the system admin" for all these tasks. Before browsing all the good and bad advice that may be found on the web, I wonder if anyone here have some practical experience to share. /gustav From accessd at shaw.ca Thu Jan 24 13:37:31 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2013 11:37:31 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] System administration In-Reply-To: <006701cdfa35$4825cd20$d8716760$@cactus.dk> References: <006701cdfa35$4825cd20$d8716760$@cactus.dk> Message-ID: <654D2DB971314DF1A402663D1860CB52@creativesystemdesigns.com> Hi Gustav: I would recommend Munin from http://munin-monitoring.org/ I have not installed a package myself but know it has exceptional administration/monitoring capabilities. Hans and Bryan both have extensive knowledge with the product as it is the industry standard. The other good news is it is an OSS product. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2013 5:18 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] System administration Hi all What do you use for administration? I mean real administration where you schedule tasks and checks to document what has been done on your LAN and what's next. We run a small LAN on two locations (connected via VPN over ADSL2 lines) with as much as possible hooked into AD, and Windows-only for servers as well as workstations. About 10 workstations (mix of desktops and laptops). Not much, but still it adds up to six physical servers, eight VMs for remote desktops for remote clients, and about ten VMs for everything else (spam filter, mail, database servers, DCs, etc.). I've found it's quite a job to keep track of updates and backup of VMs, data, configurations - we miss some kind of "bookkeeping for the system admin" for all these tasks. Before browsing all the good and bad advice that may be found on the web, I wonder if anyone here have some practical experience to share. /gustav _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Thu Jan 24 13:59:55 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2013 11:59:55 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 8 In-Reply-To: <006701cdfa35$4825cd20$d8716760$@cactus.dk> References: <006701cdfa35$4825cd20$d8716760$@cactus.dk> Message-ID: <43AD77C5CF234028B20891B134E454A1@creativesystemdesigns.com> Windows 8 to buy or not. I have had a copy of the Beta version of Windows 8, running off a virtual drive, for a while and was wondering what to do next. So far none of my clients or friends have indicated the slightest interest in moving towards the OS, in fact quite the opposite. Now I have been receiving a steady supply of emails from Microsoft saying there is still a chance to buy a $39.00 full Windows 8 Pro package before the January 31st deadline when the product goes up to it $249+ price. http://windows.microsoft.com/en-ca/windows/buy?ocid=CPRP_r_january13_na_body _1_1 It seem worthy of getting it as it also offers six months of free music downloads, to sweeten the deal. The question I am having is how the install works...it calls it an update and appears that the package is so designed that it will over-right the current system(?) I would not mind just downloading the package and putting it on a DVD or portable hard drive for later use but I have no idea how this upgrade works. I have no interest in using up a computer just for a testbed at this point...a virtual drive would be acceptable though. Years of working with upgrades have made me suspect of any product claims. Has anyone else done this process? What are the results? Jim From jason at purplecone.com Thu Jan 24 14:19:35 2013 From: jason at purplecone.com (Jason Strickland) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2013 15:19:35 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 8 In-Reply-To: <43AD77C5CF234028B20891B134E454A1@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <006701cdfa35$4825cd20$d8716760$@cactus.dk> <43AD77C5CF234028B20891B134E454A1@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: I upgraded 2 Windows 7 PCs to Windows 8. I did not experience any problems. I did run the upgrade assistant tool prior to installing. The tool informed me of the software that would and might work. So far, everything that I left installed works. It took me awhile to get use to the OS but it seems very stable and faster than Windows 7 at booting. On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 2:59 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Windows 8 to buy or not. > > I have had a copy of the Beta version of Windows 8, running off a virtual > drive, for a while and was wondering what to do next. So far none of my > clients or friends have indicated the slightest interest in moving towards > the OS, in fact quite the opposite. > > Now I have been receiving a steady supply of emails from Microsoft saying > there is still a chance to buy a $39.00 full Windows 8 Pro package before > the January 31st deadline when the product goes up to it $249+ price. > > > http://windows.microsoft.com/en-ca/windows/buy?ocid=CPRP_r_january13_na_body > _1_1 > > It seem worthy of getting it as it also offers six months of free music > downloads, to sweeten the deal. > > The question I am having is how the install works...it calls it an update > and appears that the package is so designed that it will over-right the > current system(?) I would not mind just downloading the package and putting > it on a DVD or portable hard drive for later use but I have no idea how > this > upgrade works. I have no interest in using up a computer just for a testbed > at this point...a virtual drive would be acceptable though. > > Years of working with upgrades have made me suspect of any product claims. > Has anyone else done this process? What are the results? > > Jim > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- "One reason a dog has so many friends: he wags his tail instead of his tongue." From mcp2004 at mail.ru Thu Jan 24 14:39:12 2013 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 00:39:12 +0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?Windows_8?= References: <006701cdfa35$4825cd20$d8716760$@cactus.dk> <43AD77C5CF234028B20891B134E454A1@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <1359059952.840073916@f59.mail.ru> Hi Jim -- I have installed Win8 Prof. on a new PC - I haven't run an upgrade. But as Jason notices in his quoted here posting Win8 is a very stable system and it seems to be quicker than Win7 to run, to boot (8-10 seconds here from SSD) and especially to get "awakened" from "sleep" mode - the latter takes here about 2-3 seconds.?And Win8 Prof. is also Hyper-V enabled but one have to have rather modern motherboard to get Hyper-V up & running. As I have written in one of the threads here I have ASUS N76 i7 notebook with 12GB RAM and I usually have 5-6 Visual Studio 2012 instances open, MS SQL 2012 Dev, Edition, MS Office 2012 - MS Access - two-three instances, MS Word, MS Excel, a few VMs (Win8 and Win 7 and even Ubuntu) running under Hyper-V, a couple of dozens of Google Chrome windows, some IE windows and quite some other stuff running... -- Shamil ???????, 24 ?????? 2013, 15:19 -05:00 ?? Jason Strickland : >I upgraded 2 Windows 7 PCs to Windows 8. I did not experience any problems. >I did run the upgrade assistant tool prior to installing. The tool informed >me of the software that would and might work. So far, everything that I >left installed works. > >It took me awhile to get use to the OS but it seems very stable and faster >than Windows 7 at booting. > > >On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 2:59 PM, Jim Lawrence < accessd at shaw.ca > wrote: > >> Windows 8 to buy or not. >> <<< skipped >>> > From john at winhaven.net Thu Jan 24 17:06:08 2013 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2013 17:06:08 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 8 In-Reply-To: <43AD77C5CF234028B20891B134E454A1@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <006701cdfa35$4825cd20$d8716760$@cactus.dk> <43AD77C5CF234028B20891B134E454A1@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <01be01cdfa87$64d98b80$2e8ca280$@winhaven.net> Windows 8 is stable and fast. It's the UI that is awful. Go right into desktop and it's not a problem. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2013 2:00 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 8 Windows 8 to buy or not. I have had a copy of the Beta version of Windows 8, running off a virtual drive, for a while and was wondering what to do next. So far none of my clients or friends have indicated the slightest interest in moving towards the OS, in fact quite the opposite. Now I have been receiving a steady supply of emails from Microsoft saying there is still a chance to buy a $39.00 full Windows 8 Pro package before the January 31st deadline when the product goes up to it $249+ price. http://windows.microsoft.com/en-ca/windows/buy?ocid=CPRP_r_january13_na_body _1_1 It seem worthy of getting it as it also offers six months of free music downloads, to sweeten the deal. The question I am having is how the install works...it calls it an update and appears that the package is so designed that it will over-right the current system(?) I would not mind just downloading the package and putting it on a DVD or portable hard drive for later use but I have no idea how this upgrade works. I have no interest in using up a computer just for a testbed at this point...a virtual drive would be acceptable though. Years of working with upgrades have made me suspect of any product claims. Has anyone else done this process? What are the results? Jim _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From gustav at cactus.dk Fri Jan 25 02:56:06 2013 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 09:56:06 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] System administration Message-ID: <002501cdfad9$d015cfb0$70416f10$@cactus.dk> Hi Jim Thanks, but I am more interested in some "bookkeeping" tool. Besides, Munin seems to ignore Windows completely. /gustav -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Jim Lawrence Sendt: 24. januar 2013 20:38 Til: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] System administration Hi Gustav: I would recommend Munin from http://munin-monitoring.org/ I have not installed a package myself but know it has exceptional administration/monitoring capabilities. Hans and Bryan both have extensive knowledge with the product as it is the industry standard. The other good news is it is an OSS product. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2013 5:18 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] System administration Hi all What do you use for administration? I mean real administration where you schedule tasks and checks to document what has been done on your LAN and what's next. We run a small LAN on two locations (connected via VPN over ADSL2 lines) with as much as possible hooked into AD, and Windows-only for servers as well as workstations. About 10 workstations (mix of desktops and laptops). Not much, but still it adds up to six physical servers, eight VMs for remote desktops for remote clients, and about ten VMs for everything else (spam filter, mail, database servers, DCs, etc.). I've found it's quite a job to keep track of updates and backup of VMs, data, configurations - we miss some kind of "bookkeeping for the system admin" for all these tasks. Before browsing all the good and bad advice that may be found on the web, I wonder if anyone here have some practical experience to share. /gustav From gustav at cactus.dk Fri Jan 25 03:11:04 2013 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 10:11:04 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 8 Message-ID: <002701cdfadb$e731e100$b595a300$@cactus.dk> Hi Jim It renames your existing Windows folder to Windows.old or Windows.000 and creates a new Windows folder for the new system. But do yourself a favour and obtain an SSD drive. Combined with Win7 and indeed Win8 things will start to behave. Forget the clients. They always want what they are familiar with. /gustav -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Jim Lawrence Sendt: 24. januar 2013 21:00 Til: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Emne: [dba-Tech] Windows 8 Windows 8 to buy or not. I have had a copy of the Beta version of Windows 8, running off a virtual drive, for a while and was wondering what to do next. So far none of my clients or friends have indicated the slightest interest in moving towards the OS, in fact quite the opposite. Now I have been receiving a steady supply of emails from Microsoft saying there is still a chance to buy a $39.00 full Windows 8 Pro package before the January 31st deadline when the product goes up to it $249+ price. http://windows.microsoft.com/en-ca/windows/buy?ocid=CPRP_r_january13_na_body _1_1 It seem worthy of getting it as it also offers six months of free music downloads, to sweeten the deal. The question I am having is how the install works...it calls it an update and appears that the package is so designed that it will over-right the current system(?) I would not mind just downloading the package and putting it on a DVD or portable hard drive for later use but I have no idea how this upgrade works. I have no interest in using up a computer just for a testbed at this point...a virtual drive would be acceptable though. Years of working with upgrades have made me suspect of any product claims. Has anyone else done this process? What are the results? Jim From hans.andersen at phulse.com Fri Jan 25 03:30:39 2013 From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 01:30:39 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] System administration In-Reply-To: <002501cdfad9$d015cfb0$70416f10$@cactus.dk> References: <002501cdfad9$d015cfb0$70416f10$@cactus.dk> Message-ID: <6BCFC300-D665-4867-962F-249A08A6D1AE@phulse.com> There are plenty excellent tools for this on Linux that are free and open source, but I can't really speak to Windows specifically - only the tools I have used (although some are be cross platform - some aren't!). We use a combination of Munin (as Jim mentioned), Nagios and Puppet. Seems like what you are looking for is something along the lines of Puppet and/or Nagios. http://puppetlabs.com http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puppet_(software) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nagios - Hans On 2013-01-25, at 12:56 AM, "Gustav Brock" wrote: > Hi Jim > > Thanks, but I am more interested in some "bookkeeping" tool. Besides, Munin > seems to ignore Windows completely. > > /gustav > > > -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- > Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Jim Lawrence > Sendt: 24. januar 2013 20:38 > Til: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] System administration > > Hi Gustav: > > I would recommend Munin from http://munin-monitoring.org/ > > I have not installed a package myself but know it has exceptional > administration/monitoring capabilities. Hans and Bryan both have extensive > knowledge with the product as it is the industry standard. The other good > news is it is an OSS product. > > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock > Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2013 5:18 AM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: [dba-Tech] System administration > > Hi all > > What do you use for administration? I mean real administration where you > schedule tasks and checks to document what has been done on your LAN and > what's next. > > We run a small LAN on two locations (connected via VPN over ADSL2 lines) > with as much as possible hooked into AD, and Windows-only for servers as > well as workstations. About 10 workstations (mix of desktops and laptops). > Not much, but still it adds up to six physical servers, eight VMs for remote > desktops for remote clients, and about ten VMs for everything else (spam > filter, mail, database servers, DCs, etc.). > > I've found it's quite a job to keep track of updates and backup of VMs, > data, configurations - we miss some kind of "bookkeeping for the system > admin" for all these tasks. > Before browsing all the good and bad advice that may be found on the web, I > wonder if anyone here have some practical experience to share. > > /gustav > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From gustav at cactus.dk Fri Jan 25 03:50:52 2013 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 10:50:52 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] System administration Message-ID: <004a01cdfae1$7697d520$63c77f60$@cactus.dk> Hi Hans Nagios seems spot on. Never heard of it. Thanks! /gustav -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Hans-Christian Andersen Sendt: 25. januar 2013 10:31 Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] System administration There are plenty excellent tools for this on Linux that are free and open source, but I can't really speak to Windows specifically - only the tools I have used (although some are be cross platform - some aren't!). We use a combination of Munin (as Jim mentioned), Nagios and Puppet. Seems like what you are looking for is something along the lines of Puppet and/or Nagios. http://puppetlabs.com http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puppet_(software) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nagios - Hans On 2013-01-25, at 12:56 AM, "Gustav Brock" wrote: > Hi Jim > > Thanks, but I am more interested in some "bookkeeping" tool. Besides, > Munin seems to ignore Windows completely. > > /gustav > > > -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- > Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Jim > Lawrence > Sendt: 24. januar 2013 20:38 > Til: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] System administration > > Hi Gustav: > > I would recommend Munin from http://munin-monitoring.org/ > > I have not installed a package myself but know it has exceptional > administration/monitoring capabilities. Hans and Bryan both have > extensive knowledge with the product as it is the industry standard. > The other good news is it is an OSS product. > > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav > Brock > Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2013 5:18 AM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: [dba-Tech] System administration > > Hi all > > What do you use for administration? I mean real administration where > you schedule tasks and checks to document what has been done on your > LAN and what's next. > > We run a small LAN on two locations (connected via VPN over ADSL2 > lines) with as much as possible hooked into AD, and Windows-only for > servers as well as workstations. About 10 workstations (mix of desktops and laptops). > Not much, but still it adds up to six physical servers, eight VMs for > remote desktops for remote clients, and about ten VMs for everything > else (spam filter, mail, database servers, DCs, etc.). > > I've found it's quite a job to keep track of updates and backup of > VMs, data, configurations - we miss some kind of "bookkeeping for the > system admin" for all these tasks. > Before browsing all the good and bad advice that may be found on the > web, I wonder if anyone here have some practical experience to share. > > /gustav From gustav at cactus.dk Fri Jan 25 04:40:27 2013 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 11:40:27 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] System administration Message-ID: <006401cdfae8$63944330$2abcc990$@cactus.dk> Hi Hans Seems to install on Linux only, so no cigar. /gustav -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Gustav Brock Sendt: 25. januar 2013 10:51 Til: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] System administration Hi Hans Nagios seems spot on. Never heard of it. Thanks! /gustav -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Hans-Christian Andersen Sendt: 25. januar 2013 10:31 Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] System administration There are plenty excellent tools for this on Linux that are free and open source, but I can't really speak to Windows specifically - only the tools I have used (although some are be cross platform - some aren't!). We use a combination of Munin (as Jim mentioned), Nagios and Puppet. Seems like what you are looking for is something along the lines of Puppet and/or Nagios. http://puppetlabs.com http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puppet_(software) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nagios - Hans On 2013-01-25, at 12:56 AM, "Gustav Brock" wrote: > Hi Jim > > Thanks, but I am more interested in some "bookkeeping" tool. Besides, > Munin seems to ignore Windows completely. > > /gustav > > > -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- > Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Jim > Lawrence > Sendt: 24. januar 2013 20:38 > Til: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] System administration > > Hi Gustav: > > I would recommend Munin from http://munin-monitoring.org/ > > I have not installed a package myself but know it has exceptional > administration/monitoring capabilities. Hans and Bryan both have > extensive knowledge with the product as it is the industry standard. > The other good news is it is an OSS product. > > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav > Brock > Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2013 5:18 AM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: [dba-Tech] System administration > > Hi all > > What do you use for administration? I mean real administration where > you schedule tasks and checks to document what has been done on your > LAN and what's next. > > We run a small LAN on two locations (connected via VPN over ADSL2 > lines) with as much as possible hooked into AD, and Windows-only for > servers as well as workstations. About 10 workstations (mix of > desktops and laptops). > Not much, but still it adds up to six physical servers, eight VMs for > remote desktops for remote clients, and about ten VMs for everything > else (spam filter, mail, database servers, DCs, etc.). > > I've found it's quite a job to keep track of updates and backup of > VMs, data, configurations - we miss some kind of "bookkeeping for the > system admin" for all these tasks. > Before browsing all the good and bad advice that may be found on the > web, I wonder if anyone here have some practical experience to share. > > /gustav _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From hans.andersen at phulse.com Fri Jan 25 04:52:05 2013 From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 02:52:05 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] System administration In-Reply-To: <006401cdfae8$63944330$2abcc990$@cactus.dk> References: <006401cdfae8$63944330$2abcc990$@cactus.dk> Message-ID: Have a look at Nagwin (nagios for windows). Best regards, Hans-Christian Andersen On 25 Jan 2013, at 02:40, "Gustav Brock" wrote: > Hi Hans > > Seems to install on Linux only, so no cigar. > > /gustav > > -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- > Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Gustav Brock > Sendt: 25. januar 2013 10:51 > Til: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] System administration > > Hi Hans > > Nagios seems spot on. Never heard of it. Thanks! > > /gustav > > > -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- > Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Hans-Christian > Andersen > Sendt: 25. januar 2013 10:31 > Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] System administration > > > There are plenty excellent tools for this on Linux that are free and open > source, but I can't really speak to Windows specifically - only the tools I > have used (although some are be cross platform - some aren't!). > > We use a combination of Munin (as Jim mentioned), Nagios and Puppet. > > Seems like what you are looking for is something along the lines of Puppet > and/or Nagios. > > http://puppetlabs.com > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puppet_(software) > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nagios > > > - Hans > > > On 2013-01-25, at 12:56 AM, "Gustav Brock" wrote: > >> Hi Jim >> >> Thanks, but I am more interested in some "bookkeeping" tool. Besides, >> Munin seems to ignore Windows completely. >> >> /gustav >> >> >> -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- >> Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Jim >> Lawrence >> Sendt: 24. januar 2013 20:38 >> Til: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' >> Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] System administration >> >> Hi Gustav: >> >> I would recommend Munin from http://munin-monitoring.org/ >> >> I have not installed a package myself but know it has exceptional >> administration/monitoring capabilities. Hans and Bryan both have >> extensive knowledge with the product as it is the industry standard. >> The other good news is it is an OSS product. >> >> Jim >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav >> Brock >> Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2013 5:18 AM >> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' >> Subject: [dba-Tech] System administration >> >> Hi all >> >> What do you use for administration? I mean real administration where >> you schedule tasks and checks to document what has been done on your >> LAN and what's next. >> >> We run a small LAN on two locations (connected via VPN over ADSL2 >> lines) with as much as possible hooked into AD, and Windows-only for >> servers as well as workstations. About 10 workstations (mix of >> desktops > and laptops). >> Not much, but still it adds up to six physical servers, eight VMs for >> remote desktops for remote clients, and about ten VMs for everything >> else (spam filter, mail, database servers, DCs, etc.). >> >> I've found it's quite a job to keep track of updates and backup of >> VMs, data, configurations - we miss some kind of "bookkeeping for the >> system admin" for all these tasks. >> Before browsing all the good and bad advice that may be found on the >> web, I wonder if anyone here have some practical experience to share. >> >> /gustav > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From gustav at cactus.dk Fri Jan 25 05:32:43 2013 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 12:32:43 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] System administration Message-ID: <008101cdfaef$b0ddb520$12991f60$@cactus.dk> Hi Hans I can locate some references to a cygwin install but I'm not so happy with cygwin which has some serious trouble with localized Windows installs. Also, I haven't managed to locate the download itself, only pages crammed with lots of crapware like this: http://4sysops.com/archives/free-nagwin-nagios-for-windows/ /gustav -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Hans-Christian Andersen Sendt: 25. januar 2013 11:52 Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] System administration Have a look at Nagwin (nagios for windows). Best regards, Hans-Christian Andersen On 25 Jan 2013, at 02:40, "Gustav Brock" wrote: > Hi Hans > > Seems to install on Linux only, so no cigar. > > /gustav > > -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- > Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Gustav > Brock > Sendt: 25. januar 2013 10:51 > Til: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] System administration > > Hi Hans > > Nagios seems spot on. Never heard of it. Thanks! > > /gustav From hans.andersen at phulse.com Fri Jan 25 10:26:31 2013 From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 08:26:31 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] System administration In-Reply-To: <008101cdfaef$b0ddb520$12991f60$@cactus.dk> References: <008101cdfaef$b0ddb520$12991f60$@cactus.dk> Message-ID: <3F29E8E9-E621-4E4F-A8DA-191E993D07A6@phulse.com> Hehe. Well, wouldn't it be possible for you to just set this up on a separate Linux host and have it monitor your Windows hosts and network? - Hans On 2013-01-25, at 3:32 AM, "Gustav Brock" wrote: > Hi Hans > > I can locate some references to a cygwin install but I'm not so happy with cygwin which has some serious trouble with localized Windows installs. > Also, I haven't managed to locate the download itself, only pages crammed with lots of crapware like this: > > http://4sysops.com/archives/free-nagwin-nagios-for-windows/ > > /gustav > > > -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- > Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Hans-Christian Andersen > Sendt: 25. januar 2013 11:52 > Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] System administration > > Have a look at Nagwin (nagios for windows). > > Best regards, > Hans-Christian Andersen > > > On 25 Jan 2013, at 02:40, "Gustav Brock" wrote: > >> Hi Hans >> >> Seems to install on Linux only, so no cigar. >> >> /gustav >> >> -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- >> Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Gustav >> Brock >> Sendt: 25. januar 2013 10:51 >> Til: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' >> Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] System administration >> >> Hi Hans >> >> Nagios seems spot on. Never heard of it. Thanks! >> >> /gustav > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From gustav at cactus.dk Fri Jan 25 10:35:05 2013 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 17:35:05 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] System administration Message-ID: <00b701cdfb19$ee61e680$cb25b380$@cactus.dk> Hi Hans Well, yes, but that was what I was trying to avoid. I have no other Linux boxes running. /gustav -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Hans-Christian Andersen Sendt: 25. januar 2013 17:27 Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] System administration Hehe. Well, wouldn't it be possible for you to just set this up on a separate Linux host and have it monitor your Windows hosts and network? - Hans On 2013-01-25, at 3:32 AM, "Gustav Brock" wrote: > Hi Hans > > I can locate some references to a cygwin install but I'm not so happy with cygwin which has some serious trouble with localized Windows installs. > Also, I haven't managed to locate the download itself, only pages crammed with lots of crapware like this: > > http://4sysops.com/archives/free-nagwin-nagios-for-windows/ > > /gustav > > > -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- > Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af > Hans-Christian Andersen > Sendt: 25. januar 2013 11:52 > Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] System administration > > Have a look at Nagwin (nagios for windows). > > Best regards, > Hans-Christian Andersen > > > On 25 Jan 2013, at 02:40, "Gustav Brock" wrote: > >> Hi Hans >> >> Seems to install on Linux only, so no cigar. >> >> /gustav >> >> -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- >> Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Gustav >> Brock >> Sendt: 25. januar 2013 10:51 >> Til: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' >> Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] System administration >> >> Hi Hans >> >> Nagios seems spot on. Never heard of it. Thanks! >> >> /gustav From accessd at shaw.ca Fri Jan 25 11:22:39 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 09:22:39 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] System administration In-Reply-To: <008101cdfaef$b0ddb520$12991f60$@cactus.dk> References: <008101cdfaef$b0ddb520$12991f60$@cactus.dk> Message-ID: <77770FC337554417BB83B651085C01C8@creativesystemdesigns.com> Could I be so bold as to suggest that you think about adding a Linux box or two to your inventory. Microsoft Windows may have a good portion of the desktop market but the moment you step into the server world you like I will discover it is a very big Linux world out there. There may very well be a Windows product that may serve you but, from experience, it is either a limited niche product or one of significant expense; none of which I could legitimately charge to a small to medium client. The other point that should be made is that the Linux application that have been mentioned here have a huge client base and are very mature and reliable products. They also have a large knowledgeable tech base that can assist or take over when required. IOW, I would not dismiss Linux products out of hand. They are not that difficult to learn especially for a bright fellow like yourself. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 3:33 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] System administration Hi Hans I can locate some references to a cygwin install but I'm not so happy with cygwin which has some serious trouble with localized Windows installs. Also, I haven't managed to locate the download itself, only pages crammed with lots of crapware like this: http://4sysops.com/archives/free-nagwin-nagios-for-windows/ /gustav -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Hans-Christian Andersen Sendt: 25. januar 2013 11:52 Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] System administration Have a look at Nagwin (nagios for windows). Best regards, Hans-Christian Andersen On 25 Jan 2013, at 02:40, "Gustav Brock" wrote: > Hi Hans > > Seems to install on Linux only, so no cigar. > > /gustav > > -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- > Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Gustav > Brock > Sendt: 25. januar 2013 10:51 > Til: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] System administration > > Hi Hans > > Nagios seems spot on. Never heard of it. Thanks! > > /gustav _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Fri Jan 25 11:28:24 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 09:28:24 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 8 In-Reply-To: <002701cdfadb$e731e100$b595a300$@cactus.dk> References: <002701cdfadb$e731e100$b595a300$@cactus.dk> Message-ID: <362B0B79BCF046B9A73C72D315D2FBD2@creativesystemdesigns.com> Gustav, Jason, Shamil and John: Thank you all for your help with Windows 8...now comes the decisions...still six days left. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 1:11 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows 8 Hi Jim It renames your existing Windows folder to Windows.old or Windows.000 and creates a new Windows folder for the new system. But do yourself a favour and obtain an SSD drive. Combined with Win7 and indeed Win8 things will start to behave. Forget the clients. They always want what they are familiar with. /gustav -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Jim Lawrence Sendt: 24. januar 2013 21:00 Til: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Emne: [dba-Tech] Windows 8 Windows 8 to buy or not. I have had a copy of the Beta version of Windows 8, running off a virtual drive, for a while and was wondering what to do next. So far none of my clients or friends have indicated the slightest interest in moving towards the OS, in fact quite the opposite. Now I have been receiving a steady supply of emails from Microsoft saying there is still a chance to buy a $39.00 full Windows 8 Pro package before the January 31st deadline when the product goes up to it $249+ price. http://windows.microsoft.com/en-ca/windows/buy?ocid=CPRP_r_january13_na_body _1_1 It seem worthy of getting it as it also offers six months of free music downloads, to sweeten the deal. The question I am having is how the install works...it calls it an update and appears that the package is so designed that it will over-right the current system(?) I would not mind just downloading the package and putting it on a DVD or portable hard drive for later use but I have no idea how this upgrade works. I have no interest in using up a computer just for a testbed at this point...a virtual drive would be acceptable though. Years of working with upgrades have made me suspect of any product claims. Has anyone else done this process? What are the results? Jim _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From hans.andersen at phulse.com Fri Jan 25 11:43:00 2013 From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 09:43:00 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 8 In-Reply-To: <362B0B79BCF046B9A73C72D315D2FBD2@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <002701cdfadb$e731e100$b595a300$@cactus.dk> <362B0B79BCF046B9A73C72D315D2FBD2@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <86DC8F13-5D52-4968-B682-010AB6250BE1@phulse.com> Hi Jim, All I can suggest to you is that the current price of Windows 8 is a bargain of course, but, from the sentiment from the tech podcasts I follow is that they think Microsoft will lower the price again, because WIn8 upgrade sales have been lacklustre as it is and raising the price significantly will not do Microsoft any favours... especially in a climate of falling PC sales. Buy it if you really think you are going to need it, otherwise, why not save that money and wait until the next version of Windows? - Hans On 2013-01-25, at 9:28 AM, "Jim Lawrence" wrote: > Gustav, Jason, Shamil and John: > > Thank you all for your help with Windows 8...now comes the decisions...still > six days left. > > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock > Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 1:11 AM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows 8 > > Hi Jim > > It renames your existing Windows folder to Windows.old or Windows.000 and > creates a new Windows folder for the new system. > But do yourself a favour and obtain an SSD drive. Combined with Win7 and > indeed Win8 things will start to behave. > > Forget the clients. They always want what they are familiar with. > > /gustav > > > -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- > Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Jim Lawrence > Sendt: 24. januar 2013 21:00 > Til: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Emne: [dba-Tech] Windows 8 > > Windows 8 to buy or not. > > I have had a copy of the Beta version of Windows 8, running off a virtual > drive, for a while and was wondering what to do next. So far none of my > clients or friends have indicated the slightest interest in moving towards > the OS, in fact quite the opposite. > > Now I have been receiving a steady supply of emails from Microsoft saying > there is still a chance to buy a $39.00 full Windows 8 Pro package before > the January 31st deadline when the product goes up to it $249+ price. > > http://windows.microsoft.com/en-ca/windows/buy?ocid=CPRP_r_january13_na_body > _1_1 > > It seem worthy of getting it as it also offers six months of free music > downloads, to sweeten the deal. > > The question I am having is how the install works...it calls it an update > and appears that the package is so designed that it will over-right the > current system(?) I would not mind just downloading the package and putting > it on a DVD or portable hard drive for later use but I have no idea how this > upgrade works. I have no interest in using up a computer just for a testbed > at this point...a virtual drive would be acceptable though. > > Years of working with upgrades have made me suspect of any product claims. > Has anyone else done this process? What are the results? > > Jim > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Fri Jan 25 12:13:41 2013 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 13:13:41 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: Women are Better Than Men at Financial Planning Message-ID: Dan was a single guy living at home with his father and working in the family business. When he found out he was going to inherit a fortune when his cancer stricken father died, he decided he needed to find a wife with whom to share his fortune. One evening, at an investment meeting, he spotted the most beautiful woman he had ever seen. Her natural beauty took his breath away. "I may look like just an ordinary guy," he said to her, "But in just a few months my father will die and I will inherit $200 million". Impressed, the woman asked for his business card and three days later, she became his stepmother. Women are so much better at financial planning than men. -- Arthur From accessd at shaw.ca Fri Jan 25 12:29:31 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 10:29:31 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 8 In-Reply-To: <86DC8F13-5D52-4968-B682-010AB6250BE1@phulse.com> References: <002701cdfadb$e731e100$b595a300$@cactus.dk><362B0B79BCF046B9A73C72D315D2FBD2@creativesystemdesigns.com> <86DC8F13-5D52-4968-B682-010AB6250BE1@phulse.com> Message-ID: To be honest I trust little that Steve Ballmer may of may not do. He is a not a terribly practical or pragmatic fellow. I think he is a bit of a fanatic and a lose cannon. Most companies are client driven, for obvious reasons. He is assuming that the users will just follow...they wouldn't. For years Microsoft sought out grass-roots support among the techs. They actively went to the universities, attended business meeting, club meetings to demonstrating their products, giving out instructions and inexpensive software. For the most part that does not happen anymore. OTOH, staunch companies like Oracle, actively support local clubs, give regular seminars at the university and still send me and anyone interested, links to free products and magazines. It has been an extremely effective sales model for them...they are now the largest and most financially successful database company in the world. The trouble is that potential client's see this, they are far from ignorant of the adventures at Microsoft and they start asking me, for my opinion, as a consultant and there is no way I can unconditionally give my support. So I continue with a wait and see attitude and try to keep my options open. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hans-Christian Andersen Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 9:43 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows 8 Hi Jim, All I can suggest to you is that the current price of Windows 8 is a bargain of course, but, from the sentiment from the tech podcasts I follow is that they think Microsoft will lower the price again, because WIn8 upgrade sales have been lacklustre as it is and raising the price significantly will not do Microsoft any favours... especially in a climate of falling PC sales. Buy it if you really think you are going to need it, otherwise, why not save that money and wait until the next version of Windows? - Hans On 2013-01-25, at 9:28 AM, "Jim Lawrence" wrote: > Gustav, Jason, Shamil and John: > > Thank you all for your help with Windows 8...now comes the decisions...still > six days left. > > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock > Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 1:11 AM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows 8 > > Hi Jim > > It renames your existing Windows folder to Windows.old or Windows.000 and > creates a new Windows folder for the new system. > But do yourself a favour and obtain an SSD drive. Combined with Win7 and > indeed Win8 things will start to behave. > > Forget the clients. They always want what they are familiar with. > > /gustav > > > -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- > Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Jim Lawrence > Sendt: 24. januar 2013 21:00 > Til: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Emne: [dba-Tech] Windows 8 > > Windows 8 to buy or not. > > I have had a copy of the Beta version of Windows 8, running off a virtual > drive, for a while and was wondering what to do next. So far none of my > clients or friends have indicated the slightest interest in moving towards > the OS, in fact quite the opposite. > > Now I have been receiving a steady supply of emails from Microsoft saying > there is still a chance to buy a $39.00 full Windows 8 Pro package before > the January 31st deadline when the product goes up to it $249+ price. > > http://windows.microsoft.com/en-ca/windows/buy?ocid=CPRP_r_january13_na_body > _1_1 > > It seem worthy of getting it as it also offers six months of free music > downloads, to sweeten the deal. > > The question I am having is how the install works...it calls it an update > and appears that the package is so designed that it will over-right the > current system(?) I would not mind just downloading the package and putting > it on a DVD or portable hard drive for later use but I have no idea how this > upgrade works. I have no interest in using up a computer just for a testbed > at this point...a virtual drive would be acceptable though. > > Years of working with upgrades have made me suspect of any product claims. > Has anyone else done this process? What are the results? > > Jim > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Fri Jan 25 12:45:23 2013 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 13:45:23 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 8 In-Reply-To: References: <002701cdfadb$e731e100$b595a300$@cactus.dk> <362B0B79BCF046B9A73C72D315D2FBD2@creativesystemdesigns.com> <86DC8F13-5D52-4968-B682-010AB6250BE1@phulse.com> Message-ID: Not that I have any special insight into such matters, but of all the MS products available, I think SQL Server is the most rock solid and bug-free. (That's not the same as saying that it's bug-free; nothing beyond a significant level of complexity is, at least not since Donald Knuth's TeK.) A. From accessd at shaw.ca Fri Jan 25 12:49:50 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 10:49:50 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 8 In-Reply-To: References: <002701cdfadb$e731e100$b595a300$@cactus.dk><362B0B79BCF046B9A73C72D315D2FBD2@creativesystemdesigns.com><86DC8F13-5D52-4968-B682-010AB6250BE1@phulse.com> Message-ID: <751AAFE5A4624373B29018832F1BD8DF@creativesystemdesigns.com> I would agree with you on that subject. MS SQL is as solid as a rock. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 10:45 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows 8 Not that I have any special insight into such matters, but of all the MS products available, I think SQL Server is the most rock solid and bug-free. (That's not the same as saying that it's bug-free; nothing beyond a significant level of complexity is, at least not since Donald Knuth's TeK.) A. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Fri Jan 25 12:55:27 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 10:55:27 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 8 In-Reply-To: <002701cdfadb$e731e100$b595a300$@cactus.dk> References: <002701cdfadb$e731e100$b595a300$@cactus.dk> Message-ID: <45F974CEF37C46A381348D27AB14FBE0@creativesystemdesigns.com> So where to stick Window 8 that will use its full capabilities. http://allthingsd.com/20130122/sometimes-theyre-tablets-sometimes-theyre-not / Jim From fuller.artful at gmail.com Fri Jan 25 13:05:19 2013 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 14:05:19 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Seagate Momentus XT Hybrid Drive Message-ID: The firm is offering this drive at a pretty good price (currently $118.79) and it's tempting. Does anyone have any experience with this unit? I'm thinking it would be great as a boot drive, with Windows and my core suite of software such as Access and Alpha Five loaded on the SSD part of it. -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 From bill_patten at embarqmail.com Fri Jan 25 13:23:33 2013 From: bill_patten at embarqmail.com (Bill Patten) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 11:23:33 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Seagate Momentus XT Hybrid Drive In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <486773BEAC2B4D5BB6B68214B1C16A23@BPCS> Hi Arthur, I installed one in my laptop in November 2010, and have had no problems. It really makes a big difference in boot time, and most apps also work faster. I can't find my notes on improved boot time but is was significant. Since I had such good luck I have installed them on at least 3 of my friends and all agree it makes a big improvement. They were all in laptops and since many laptop use 5400 rpm and the Momentus is 7200 rpm I suspect some improvement there as well. For what it's worth I recommend them. Bill -----Original Message----- From: Arthur Fuller Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 11:05 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Seagate Momentus XT Hybrid Drive The firm is offering this drive at a pretty good price (currently $118.79) and it's tempting. Does anyone have any experience with this unit? I'm thinking it would be great as a boot drive, with Windows and my core suite of software such as Access and Alpha Five loaded on the SSD part of it. -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From df.waters at comcast.net Fri Jan 25 13:27:50 2013 From: df.waters at comcast.net (Dan Waters) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 13:27:50 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Seagate Momentus XT Hybrid Drive In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <003901cdfb32$10d9acd0$328d0670$@comcast.net> Hi Arthur, Out of curiosity I looked up how these drives work. The SSD portion acts as a non-volatile cache - you cannot direct an app to be installed on the SSD portion. So it's the 750 Gb or 500 Gb size rating that you use to determine which one to buy. The reviews on Amazon or overwhelmingly 5's, so lots of people like it. Good Luck! Dan -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 1:05 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Seagate Momentus XT Hybrid Drive The firm is offering this drive at a pretty good price (currently $118.79) and it's tempting. Does anyone have any experience with this unit? I'm thinking it would be great as a boot drive, with Windows and my core suite of software such as Access and Alpha Five loaded on the SSD part of it. -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Fri Jan 25 13:55:03 2013 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 14:55:03 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Seagate Momentus XT Hybrid Drive In-Reply-To: <003901cdfb32$10d9acd0$328d0670$@comcast.net> References: <003901cdfb32$10d9acd0$328d0670$@comcast.net> Message-ID: Thanks, both of you. Bill, since you note a big difference in boot time, while Dan points out that you can't specifically point the install to the SSD part of the drive, do you think that Seagate simply figures it out, or notes that Windows falls into the "frequently used" category and moves it there after a few uses? Or some other way? A. From bill_patten at embarqmail.com Fri Jan 25 14:19:53 2013 From: bill_patten at embarqmail.com (Bill Patten) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 12:19:53 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Seagate Momentus XT Hybrid Drive In-Reply-To: References: <003901cdfb32$10d9acd0$328d0670$@comcast.net> Message-ID: Arthur, The original announcement about the drive said that it had some mechanized to place the most used files on the SSD portion. I can't imagine how that would work but perhaps if you opened Word for example, 2 or 3 times it might move it to the SSD until something else was used more but I have no idea how to determine that. Everything worked better including loading VS 2010, I'm sure the 7200 RPM contributes to that. I'm very happy with it , and if it starts to go bad or fails completely I'd get another one. Bill -----Original Message----- From: Arthur Fuller Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 11:55 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Seagate Momentus XT Hybrid Drive Thanks, both of you. Bill, since you note a big difference in boot time, while Dan points out that you can't specifically point the install to the SSD part of the drive, do you think that Seagate simply figures it out, or notes that Windows falls into the "frequently used" category and moves it there after a few uses? Or some other way? A. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From tortise at paradise.net.nz Fri Jan 25 14:28:07 2013 From: tortise at paradise.net.nz (tortise) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 09:28:07 +1300 Subject: [dba-Tech] Seagate Momentus XT Hybrid Drive In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5102EAD7.30907@paradise.net.nz> On 26/01/2013 8:05 a.m., Arthur Fuller wrote: > The firm is offering this drive at a pretty good price (currently $118.79) > and it's tempting. Does anyone have any experience with this unit? I'm > thinking it would be great as a boot drive, with Windows and my core suite > of software such as Access and Alpha Five loaded on the SSD part of it. > I've used one also it works still however I've since gone to full Intel SSD's which make an even better difference having no read latency things start much faster. They make for a significant upgrade to older pc's. As the 6GB ones are not much more I've tended to go for these however the SATA is likely to be a bottleneck in terms of what might have been possible however one can't really tell and I expect these drives may well be re-cycled when the hardware dies... From mcp2004 at mail.ru Fri Jan 25 14:28:32 2013 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 00:28:32 +0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?Windows_8?= In-Reply-To: <362B0B79BCF046B9A73C72D315D2FBD2@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <002701cdfadb$e731e100$b595a300$@cactus.dk> <362B0B79BCF046B9A73C72D315D2FBD2@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <1359145712.467977438@f7.mail.ru> Hi Jim -- Maybe the following article will help you to make the right decisions :) Visual Studio: Web Dev Bliss http://net.tutsplus.com/articles/general/visual-studio-web-dev-bliss/ Read comments to the referred above article - I must note they have very different opinions on Visual Studio. Thank you. -- Shamil ???????, 25 ?????? 2013, 9:28 -08:00 ?? "Jim Lawrence" : >Gustav, Jason, Shamil and John: > >Thank you all for your help with Windows 8...now comes the decisions...still >six days left. > >Jim <<< skipped >>> > From bill_patten at embarqmail.com Fri Jan 25 14:53:46 2013 From: bill_patten at embarqmail.com (Bill Patten) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 12:53:46 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 8 In-Reply-To: <1359145712.467977438@f7.mail.ru> References: <002701cdfadb$e731e100$b595a300$@cactus.dk><362B0B79BCF046B9A73C72D315D2FBD2@creativesystemdesigns.com> <1359145712.467977438@f7.mail.ru> Message-ID: Jim, One of the reasons to have Win 8 Pro is that if you want to develop Windows Phone 8 using the emulator you need Hyper-V. This comes with Window's 8 Pro. A word of caution, for Hyper-V to work you need a processor with SLAT in it. Another reason is you will probably not see Win 8 pro again for $40 and it's nice to have it to test your software in the latest version of Windows. I'm not aware of any limitations as to how long you have before you install it so download it, save the license number and use it when ever you want. (I think) I think that what ever Windows operating system you down load with, determines whether you get 64 or 32 bit. I'm not sure of this but you might check. You do not have to install it on the PC you download from though, I created CD from the ISO file, but I did use a 64 bit machine to download it and I did update my Windows 7 64 Bit with few problems machine. HTH Bill -----Original Message----- From: Salakhetdinov Shamil Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 12:28 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows 8 Hi Jim -- Maybe the following article will help you to make the right decisions :) Visual Studio: Web Dev Bliss http://net.tutsplus.com/articles/general/visual-studio-web-dev-bliss/ Read comments to the referred above article - I must note they have very different opinions on Visual Studio. Thank you. -- Shamil ???????, 25 ?????? 2013, 9:28 -08:00 ?? "Jim Lawrence" : >Gustav, Jason, Shamil and John: > >Thank you all for your help with Windows 8...now comes the >decisions...still >six days left. > >Jim <<< skipped >>> > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From peter.brawley at earthlink.net Fri Jan 25 15:52:28 2013 From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 15:52:28 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Seagate Momentus XT Hybrid Drive In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5102FE9C.3000405@earthlink.net> On 2013-01-25 1:05 PM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > The firm is offering this drive at a pretty good price (currently $118.79) > and it's tempting. Does anyone have any experience with this unit? I'm > thinking it would be great as a boot drive, with Windows and my core suite > of software such as Access and Alpha Five loaded on the SSD part of it. I don't understand that price. I got a 2TB Seagate Expansion USB 3.0 for $107. Is the XT three times as fast? PB > From peter.brawley at earthlink.net Fri Jan 25 15:53:42 2013 From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 15:53:42 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Seagate Momentus XT Hybrid Drive In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5102FEE6.3060109@earthlink.net> On 2013-01-25 1:05 PM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > The firm is offering this drive at a pretty good price (currently $118.79) > and it's tempting. Does anyone have any experience with this unit? I'm > thinking it would be great as a boot drive, with Windows and my core suite > of software such as Access and Alpha Five loaded on the SSD part of it. Oh I get it, SSD, OK. Then the question is, how much reliable is it than a comparable HDD? PB > From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Fri Jan 25 16:55:26 2013 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 14:55:26 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] 1 GB Ram - but what is it? Message-ID: <72B023E531D8439E8A22B77F8D36262B@HAL9007> Looking at my task manager I have a svchost.exe process that's taking 1.0 -1.3 GB RAM Any way to find out what it is? There's a bunch of the svchost.exe processes but smaller - 13 of them ranging from 2 to 40 MB in size. Who are they? I just terminated the big one. Everything seems OK so far. Rocky From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Fri Jan 25 17:31:10 2013 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 09:31:10 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 8 In-Reply-To: <45F974CEF37C46A381348D27AB14FBE0@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <002701cdfadb$e731e100$b595a300$@cactus.dk>, <45F974CEF37C46A381348D27AB14FBE0@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <510315BE.31126.3CAF999E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> I can tell you where to stick Windows 8 .... :-) On 25 Jan 2013 at 10:55, Jim Lawrence wrote: > So where to stick Window 8 that will use its full capabilities. > > http://allthingsd.com/20130122/sometimes-theyre-tablets-sometimes-theyre-not > / > > Jim > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From bill_patten at embarqmail.com Fri Jan 25 17:31:26 2013 From: bill_patten at embarqmail.com (Bill Patten) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 15:31:26 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] 1 GB Ram - but what is it? In-Reply-To: <72B023E531D8439E8A22B77F8D36262B@HAL9007> References: <72B023E531D8439E8A22B77F8D36262B@HAL9007> Message-ID: Rocky, Try typing tasklist /svc in a dos prompt, that may help. In Windows 8 you can click on the drop down in front of the svchost, and I think the freeware 'what's running' will show you as well Bill -----Original Message----- From: Rocky Smolin Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 2:55 PM To: 'Off Topic' ; List Subject: [dba-Tech] 1 GB Ram - but what is it? Looking at my task manager I have a svchost.exe process that's taking 1.0 -1.3 GB RAM Any way to find out what it is? There's a bunch of the svchost.exe processes but smaller - 13 of them ranging from 2 to 40 MB in size. Who are they? I just terminated the big one. Everything seems OK so far. Rocky _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From hans.andersen at phulse.com Fri Jan 25 18:35:31 2013 From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 16:35:31 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] 1 GB Ram - but what is it? In-Reply-To: <72B023E531D8439E8A22B77F8D36262B@HAL9007> References: <72B023E531D8439E8A22B77F8D36262B@HAL9007> Message-ID: svchost.exe is the generic process name for a DLL thats being executed as if it was a real application, so it could really be anything. Now, on Linux I would by able to tell you easily how to find out which one is sucking up all that memory, but, alas, someone else more familiar with windows internals would be better able to help here. - Hans On 2013-01-25, at 2:55 PM, "Rocky Smolin" wrote: > Looking at my task manager I have a svchost.exe process that's taking 1.0 > -1.3 GB RAM Any way to find out what it is? > > There's a bunch of the svchost.exe processes but smaller - 13 of them > ranging from 2 to 40 MB in size. Who are they? > > I just terminated the big one. Everything seems OK so far. > > Rocky > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Fri Jan 25 18:38:25 2013 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 16:38:25 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] 1 GB Ram - but what is it? In-Reply-To: References: <72B023E531D8439E8A22B77F8D36262B@HAL9007> Message-ID: How nice that the DOS commands I used 30 years ago are still under that sophisticated GUI. Now that's software with LEGS! :) But not too informative - no RAM size so I cant tie it to what I'm seeing in the task manager. I'll try What's Running...well that just tells me that all the svchost.exe belong to MS Windows Operating System. Well, I don't have the big svchost problem at the moment. And it's Miller Time. :) R -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bill Patten Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 3:31 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] 1 GB Ram - but what is it? Rocky, Try typing tasklist /svc in a dos prompt, that may help. In Windows 8 you can click on the drop down in front of the svchost, and I think the freeware 'what's running' will show you as well Bill -----Original Message----- From: Rocky Smolin Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 2:55 PM To: 'Off Topic' ; List Subject: [dba-Tech] 1 GB Ram - but what is it? Looking at my task manager I have a svchost.exe process that's taking 1.0 -1.3 GB RAM Any way to find out what it is? There's a bunch of the svchost.exe processes but smaller - 13 of them ranging from 2 to 40 MB in size. Who are they? I just terminated the big one. Everything seems OK so far. Rocky _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From bheid at sc.rr.com Fri Jan 25 18:43:50 2013 From: bheid at sc.rr.com (Bobby Heid) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 19:43:50 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] 1 GB Ram - but what is it? In-Reply-To: References: <72B023E531D8439E8A22B77F8D36262B@HAL9007> Message-ID: <001201cdfb5e$357c2b40$a07481c0$@sc.rr.com> Rocky, Also, download Process Explorer by SysInternals. Great product! http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb896653. This is one of the first programs I install on my PCs and if I am working on other peoples PCs. It can be made to replace (for as long as you want) the windows task manager. SO much more functionality and information than the standard task manager (although Win 8's task manager is better than any prior Windows' version of task manager). When you run it, hover over the svchost.exe and it will show you all of the services under that particular instance of svchost. Bobby -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bill Patten Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 6:31 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] 1 GB Ram - but what is it? Rocky, Try typing tasklist /svc in a dos prompt, that may help. In Windows 8 you can click on the drop down in front of the svchost, and I think the freeware 'what's running' will show you as well Bill -----Original Message----- From: Rocky Smolin Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 2:55 PM To: 'Off Topic' ; List Subject: [dba-Tech] 1 GB Ram - but what is it? Looking at my task manager I have a svchost.exe process that's taking 1.0 -1.3 GB RAM Any way to find out what it is? There's a bunch of the svchost.exe processes but smaller - 13 of them ranging from 2 to 40 MB in size. Who are they? I just terminated the big one. Everything seems OK so far. Rocky _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Fri Jan 25 18:47:51 2013 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 10:47:51 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] 1 GB Ram - but what is it? In-Reply-To: References: <72B023E531D8439E8A22B77F8D36262B@HAL9007>, , Message-ID: <510327B7.1755.3CF5CED3@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Out of interest, I just ran ProcExp on my laptop. I found that the Synaptecs Touchpad Extensions was using 1.3GB of RAM :-( I stopped the process, recovered 1.3GB of free RAM and the touchpad still works fine (I thnk the only thing it did was make the touchpad "mulit-touch" and makes the serrrated line on the right hand side of the touchpad emulate the scroll wheel. Neither of which I use in practice.) So I used Sysinternals Autoruns to disable loading it at startup. -- Stuart On 25 Jan 2013 at 16:38, Rocky Smolin wrote: > How nice that the DOS commands I used 30 years ago are still under that > sophisticated GUI. Now that's software with LEGS! :) > > But not too informative - no RAM size so I cant tie it to what I'm seeing in > the task manager. > > I'll try What's Running...well that just tells me that all the svchost.exe > belong to MS Windows Operating System. > > Well, I don't have the big svchost problem at the moment. And it's Miller > Time. :) > > R > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bill Patten > Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 3:31 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] 1 GB Ram - but what is it? > > Rocky, > > Try typing tasklist /svc in a dos prompt, that may help. > > In Windows 8 you can click on the drop down in front of the svchost, and I > think the freeware 'what's running' will show you as well > > Bill > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rocky Smolin > Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 2:55 PM > To: 'Off Topic' ; List > Subject: [dba-Tech] 1 GB Ram - but what is it? > > Looking at my task manager I have a svchost.exe process that's taking 1.0 > -1.3 GB RAM Any way to find out what it is? > > There's a bunch of the svchost.exe processes but smaller - 13 of them > ranging from 2 to 40 MB in size. Who are they? > > I just terminated the big one. Everything seems OK so far. > > Rocky > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From hans.andersen at phulse.com Fri Jan 25 18:55:02 2013 From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 16:55:02 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] 1 GB Ram - but what is it? In-Reply-To: <510327B7.1755.3CF5CED3@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <72B023E531D8439E8A22B77F8D36262B@HAL9007>, , <510327B7.1755.3CF5CED3@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <162C86A2-981A-41BD-9902-0E8CD2560BED@phulse.com> Unbelievable!!! I remember running Windows 3.11 for Workgroups on just a mere 8 megabytes (yes, megabytes!) and these days software developers are incapable of writing touchpad extensions software that fits under 1.3 gigabytes of RAM. http://www.mememaker.net/static/images/templates/14288.jpg - Hans On 2013-01-25, at 4:47 PM, "Stuart McLachlan" wrote: > Out of interest, I just ran ProcExp on my laptop. I found that the Synaptecs Touchpad > Extensions was using 1.3GB of RAM :-( > > I stopped the process, recovered 1.3GB of free RAM and the touchpad still works fine (I thnk > the only thing it did was make the touchpad "mulit-touch" and makes the serrrated line on the > right hand side of the touchpad emulate the scroll wheel. Neither of which I use in > practice.) > > So I used Sysinternals Autoruns to disable loading it at startup. > > > -- > Stuart > > On 25 Jan 2013 at 16:38, Rocky Smolin wrote: > >> How nice that the DOS commands I used 30 years ago are still under that >> sophisticated GUI. Now that's software with LEGS! :) >> >> But not too informative - no RAM size so I cant tie it to what I'm seeing in >> the task manager. >> >> I'll try What's Running...well that just tells me that all the svchost.exe >> belong to MS Windows Operating System. >> >> Well, I don't have the big svchost problem at the moment. And it's Miller >> Time. :) >> >> R >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bill Patten >> Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 3:31 PM >> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues >> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] 1 GB Ram - but what is it? >> >> Rocky, >> >> Try typing tasklist /svc in a dos prompt, that may help. >> >> In Windows 8 you can click on the drop down in front of the svchost, and I >> think the freeware 'what's running' will show you as well >> >> Bill >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Rocky Smolin >> Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 2:55 PM >> To: 'Off Topic' ; List >> Subject: [dba-Tech] 1 GB Ram - but what is it? >> >> Looking at my task manager I have a svchost.exe process that's taking 1.0 >> -1.3 GB RAM Any way to find out what it is? >> >> There's a bunch of the svchost.exe processes but smaller - 13 of them >> ranging from 2 to 40 MB in size. Who are they? >> >> I just terminated the big one. Everything seems OK so far. >> >> Rocky >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From john at winhaven.net Fri Jan 25 19:06:06 2013 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 19:06:06 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] 1 GB Ram - but what is it? In-Reply-To: <510327B7.1755.3CF5CED3@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <72B023E531D8439E8A22B77F8D36262B@HAL9007>, , <510327B7.1755.3CF5CED3@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <016501cdfb61$51a21a70$f4e64f50$@winhaven.net> Isn't it amazing how programming something so simple can take up so much memory? Or is it just sloppy programming. I tend to be a bit over the top with these things but I run Process Explorer and Auto runs on every machine I work on. It is rarely a waste of 5 minutes :-) -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 6:48 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] 1 GB Ram - but what is it? Out of interest, I just ran ProcExp on my laptop. I found that the Synaptecs Touchpad Extensions was using 1.3GB of RAM :-( I stopped the process, recovered 1.3GB of free RAM and the touchpad still works fine (I thnk the only thing it did was make the touchpad "mulit-touch" and makes the serrrated line on the right hand side of the touchpad emulate the scroll wheel. Neither of which I use in practice.) So I used Sysinternals Autoruns to disable loading it at startup. -- Stuart On 25 Jan 2013 at 16:38, Rocky Smolin wrote: > How nice that the DOS commands I used 30 years ago are still under > that sophisticated GUI. Now that's software with LEGS! :) > > But not too informative - no RAM size so I cant tie it to what I'm > seeing in the task manager. > > I'll try What's Running...well that just tells me that all the > svchost.exe belong to MS Windows Operating System. > > Well, I don't have the big svchost problem at the moment. And it's > Miller Time. :) > > R > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bill > Patten > Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 3:31 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] 1 GB Ram - but what is it? > > Rocky, > > Try typing tasklist /svc in a dos prompt, that may help. > > In Windows 8 you can click on the drop down in front of the svchost, > and I think the freeware 'what's running' will show you as well > > Bill > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rocky Smolin > Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 2:55 PM > To: 'Off Topic' ; List > Subject: [dba-Tech] 1 GB Ram - but what is it? > > Looking at my task manager I have a svchost.exe process that's taking > 1.0 > -1.3 GB RAM Any way to find out what it is? > > There's a bunch of the svchost.exe processes but smaller - 13 of them > ranging from 2 to 40 MB in size. Who are they? > > I just terminated the big one. Everything seems OK so far. > > Rocky > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Fri Jan 25 19:24:17 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 17:24:17 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Building a house In-Reply-To: <016501cdfb61$51a21a70$f4e64f50$@winhaven.net> References: <72B023E531D8439E8A22B77F8D36262B@HAL9007>, , <510327B7.1755.3CF5CED3@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <016501cdfb61$51a21a70$f4e64f50$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: A Dutch Architect is building a house with a 3D printer. http://phys.org/news/2013-01-dutch-architect-house-3d-printer.html It is going take a few months though. Jim From accessd at shaw.ca Fri Jan 25 19:32:53 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 17:32:53 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Unlocking your cell phone In-Reply-To: <016501cdfb61$51a21a70$f4e64f50$@winhaven.net> References: <72B023E531D8439E8A22B77F8D36262B@HAL9007>, , <510327B7.1755.3CF5CED3@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <016501cdfb61$51a21a70$f4e64f50$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: <48DF0B1677D44BEC8E20442A43461B8C@creativesystemdesigns.com> By Saturday it will be illegal to jail-break your cellphone, if you live in the US that is. http://www.technewsdaily.com/16514-unlocking-cellphones-becomes-illegal.html But for the law abiding American citizen, filled with guilt, just slip across the border into any other country and reset your phone to any provider you want...it is all legal then. Jim From accessd at shaw.ca Fri Jan 25 19:48:08 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 17:48:08 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] A $99.00 supercomputer In-Reply-To: References: <72B023E531D8439E8A22B77F8D36262B@HAL9007>, , <510327B7.1755.3CF5CED3@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg><016501cdfb61$51a21a70$f4e64f50$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: <29C7AF91892647F99A7FF3DB1C57AB1C@creativesystemdesigns.com> On the other end of the spectrum from " ...Out of interest, I just ran ProcExp on my laptop. I found that the Synaptecs Touchpad Extensions was using 1.3GB of RAM :-(... " there is: For those who loved the Raspberry PI and are feeling like spending a bit of mad money here is the next installment. A $99.00 Linux supercomputer...yes, full parallel processing on your work bench. " ... The Parallella Computer In October 2012 a Kickstarter campaign was successful in raising $898,921 to develop and produce an initial run of the Parallella computer, a system equipped with a dual-core ARM A9 processor and either a 16 or 64-core Adapteva Epiphany floating-point accelerator. The project had just short of 5,000 backers and pledges of $99 or more being rewarded with at least one board with a 16-core device... " If any of us had been on the ball we could have been anticipating the first run of these computers. https://www.linux.com/news/enterprise/systems-management/692990-introducing- the-99-linux-supercomputer Just as the Raspberry PI can put a dent in desktop computing, the Parallella can put a dent in server computing. :-) Jim From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Fri Jan 25 20:41:36 2013 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 12:41:36 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] 1 GB Ram - but what is it? In-Reply-To: <162C86A2-981A-41BD-9902-0E8CD2560BED@phulse.com> References: <72B023E531D8439E8A22B77F8D36262B@HAL9007>, <510327B7.1755.3CF5CED3@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>, <162C86A2-981A-41BD-9902-0E8CD2560BED@phulse.com> Message-ID: <51034260.23881.3D5DF4EB@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> I just did some more testing and when initially loaded, it "only" uses about 100MB - so there would appear to be a serious memory leak in it (I haven't rebooted the laptop for several days at least). I think I'll leave it running for now and see what it does over time. -- Stuart On 25 Jan 2013 at 16:55, Hans-Christian Andersen wrote: > Unbelievable!!! I remember running Windows 3.11 for Workgroups on just a mere 8 megabytes (yes, megabytes!) and these days software developers are incapable of writing touchpad extensions software that fits under 1.3 gigabytes of RAM. > > http://www.mememaker.net/static/images/templates/14288.jpg > > - Hans > > > > On 2013-01-25, at 4:47 PM, "Stuart McLachlan" wrote: > > > Out of interest, I just ran ProcExp on my laptop. I found that the Synaptecs Touchpad > > Extensions was using 1.3GB of RAM :-( > > > > I stopped the process, recovered 1.3GB of free RAM and the touchpad still works fine (I thnk > > the only thing it did was make the touchpad "mulit-touch" and makes the serrrated line on the > > right hand side of the touchpad emulate the scroll wheel. Neither of which I use in > > practice.) > > > > So I used Sysinternals Autoruns to disable loading it at startup. > > > > > > -- > > Stuart > > > > On 25 Jan 2013 at 16:38, Rocky Smolin wrote: > > > >> How nice that the DOS commands I used 30 years ago are still under that > >> sophisticated GUI. Now that's software with LEGS! :) > >> > >> But not too informative - no RAM size so I cant tie it to what I'm seeing in > >> the task manager. > >> > >> I'll try What's Running...well that just tells me that all the svchost.exe > >> belong to MS Windows Operating System. > >> > >> Well, I don't have the big svchost problem at the moment. And it's Miller > >> Time. :) > >> > >> R > >> > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > >> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bill Patten > >> Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 3:31 PM > >> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > >> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] 1 GB Ram - but what is it? > >> > >> Rocky, > >> > >> Try typing tasklist /svc in a dos prompt, that may help. > >> > >> In Windows 8 you can click on the drop down in front of the svchost, and I > >> think the freeware 'what's running' will show you as well > >> > >> Bill > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Rocky Smolin > >> Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 2:55 PM > >> To: 'Off Topic' ; List > >> Subject: [dba-Tech] 1 GB Ram - but what is it? > >> > >> Looking at my task manager I have a svchost.exe process that's taking 1.0 > >> -1.3 GB RAM Any way to find out what it is? > >> > >> There's a bunch of the svchost.exe processes but smaller - 13 of them > >> ranging from 2 to 40 MB in size. Who are they? > >> > >> I just terminated the big one. Everything seems OK so far. > >> > >> Rocky > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> dba-Tech mailing list > >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> dba-Tech mailing list > >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> dba-Tech mailing list > >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From john at winhaven.net Fri Jan 25 20:59:17 2013 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 20:59:17 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] 1 GB Ram - but what is it? In-Reply-To: <51034260.23881.3D5DF4EB@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <72B023E531D8439E8A22B77F8D36262B@HAL9007>, <510327B7.1755.3CF5CED3@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>, <162C86A2-981A-41BD-9902-0E8CD2560BED@phulse.com> <51034260.23881.3D5DF4EB@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <016f01cdfb71$21862c90$649285b0$@winhaven.net> I have a Toshiba notebook with Windows 8 that I'm attempting to configure to use some old serial port firemen's equipment testing station equipment with this ain't going well. Just switched over to it and yes it has the synaptic touch pad app running: .2 for the "helper" module and 1.2 for the "enhancement" module. I tried to downgrade this notebook to Windows 7 pro and the MB's embedded security wouldn't allow it. I turned that off in the BIOS but Windows 7 still wouldn't go past the starting screen so I couldn't even get to the install options. Next I will try VirtualBox with an XP machine. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 8:42 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] 1 GB Ram - but what is it? I just did some more testing and when initially loaded, it "only" uses about 100MB - so there would appear to be a serious memory leak in it (I haven't rebooted the laptop for several days at least). I think I'll leave it running for now and see what it does over time. -- Stuart On 25 Jan 2013 at 16:55, Hans-Christian Andersen wrote: > Unbelievable!!! I remember running Windows 3.11 for Workgroups on just a mere 8 megabytes (yes, megabytes!) and these days software developers are incapable of writing touchpad extensions software that fits under 1.3 gigabytes of RAM. > > http://www.mememaker.net/static/images/templates/14288.jpg > > - Hans > > > > On 2013-01-25, at 4:47 PM, "Stuart McLachlan" wrote: > > > Out of interest, I just ran ProcExp on my laptop. I found that the > > Synaptecs Touchpad Extensions was using 1.3GB of RAM :-( > > > > I stopped the process, recovered 1.3GB of free RAM and the touchpad > > still works fine (I thnk the only thing it did was make the touchpad "mulit-touch" and makes the serrrated line on the > > right hand side of the touchpad emulate the scroll wheel. Neither of which I use in > > practice.) > > > > So I used Sysinternals Autoruns to disable loading it at startup. > > > > > > -- > > Stuart > > > > On 25 Jan 2013 at 16:38, Rocky Smolin wrote: > > > >> How nice that the DOS commands I used 30 years ago are still under > >> that sophisticated GUI. Now that's software with LEGS! :) > >> > >> But not too informative - no RAM size so I cant tie it to what I'm > >> seeing in the task manager. > >> > >> I'll try What's Running...well that just tells me that all the > >> svchost.exe belong to MS Windows Operating System. > >> > >> Well, I don't have the big svchost problem at the moment. And it's > >> Miller Time. :) > >> > >> R > >> > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > >> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bill > >> Patten > >> Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 3:31 PM > >> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > >> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] 1 GB Ram - but what is it? > >> > >> Rocky, > >> > >> Try typing tasklist /svc in a dos prompt, that may help. > >> > >> In Windows 8 you can click on the drop down in front of the > >> svchost, and I think the freeware 'what's running' will show you as > >> well > >> > >> Bill > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Rocky Smolin > >> Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 2:55 PM > >> To: 'Off Topic' ; List > >> Subject: [dba-Tech] 1 GB Ram - but what is it? > >> > >> Looking at my task manager I have a svchost.exe process that's > >> taking 1.0 > >> -1.3 GB RAM Any way to find out what it is? > >> > >> There's a bunch of the svchost.exe processes but smaller - 13 of > >> them ranging from 2 to 40 MB in size. Who are they? > >> > >> I just terminated the big one. Everything seems OK so far. > >> > >> Rocky > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> dba-Tech mailing list > >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> dba-Tech mailing list > >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> dba-Tech mailing list > >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Fri Jan 25 21:52:26 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 19:52:26 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] 1 GB Ram - but what is it? In-Reply-To: <016f01cdfb71$21862c90$649285b0$@winhaven.net> References: <72B023E531D8439E8A22B77F8D36262B@HAL9007>, <510327B7.1755.3CF5CED3@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>, <162C86A2-981A-41BD-9902-0E8CD2560BED@phulse.com><51034260.23881.3D5DF4EB@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <016f01cdfb71$21862c90$649285b0$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: <506AF171D16742688C5C984320F28204@creativesystemdesigns.com> Keep us posted on your success as you seem to be going in the right direction. ;-) Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 6:59 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] 1 GB Ram - but what is it? I have a Toshiba notebook with Windows 8 that I'm attempting to configure to use some old serial port firemen's equipment testing station equipment with this ain't going well. Just switched over to it and yes it has the synaptic touch pad app running: .2 for the "helper" module and 1.2 for the "enhancement" module. I tried to downgrade this notebook to Windows 7 pro and the MB's embedded security wouldn't allow it. I turned that off in the BIOS but Windows 7 still wouldn't go past the starting screen so I couldn't even get to the install options. Next I will try VirtualBox with an XP machine. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 8:42 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] 1 GB Ram - but what is it? I just did some more testing and when initially loaded, it "only" uses about 100MB - so there would appear to be a serious memory leak in it (I haven't rebooted the laptop for several days at least). I think I'll leave it running for now and see what it does over time. -- Stuart On 25 Jan 2013 at 16:55, Hans-Christian Andersen wrote: > Unbelievable!!! I remember running Windows 3.11 for Workgroups on just a mere 8 megabytes (yes, megabytes!) and these days software developers are incapable of writing touchpad extensions software that fits under 1.3 gigabytes of RAM. > > http://www.mememaker.net/static/images/templates/14288.jpg > > - Hans > > > > On 2013-01-25, at 4:47 PM, "Stuart McLachlan" wrote: > > > Out of interest, I just ran ProcExp on my laptop. I found that the > > Synaptecs Touchpad Extensions was using 1.3GB of RAM :-( > > > > I stopped the process, recovered 1.3GB of free RAM and the touchpad > > still works fine (I thnk the only thing it did was make the touchpad "mulit-touch" and makes the serrrated line on the > > right hand side of the touchpad emulate the scroll wheel. Neither of which I use in > > practice.) > > > > So I used Sysinternals Autoruns to disable loading it at startup. > > > > > > -- > > Stuart > > > > On 25 Jan 2013 at 16:38, Rocky Smolin wrote: > > > >> How nice that the DOS commands I used 30 years ago are still under > >> that sophisticated GUI. Now that's software with LEGS! :) > >> > >> But not too informative - no RAM size so I cant tie it to what I'm > >> seeing in the task manager. > >> > >> I'll try What's Running...well that just tells me that all the > >> svchost.exe belong to MS Windows Operating System. > >> > >> Well, I don't have the big svchost problem at the moment. And it's > >> Miller Time. :) > >> > >> R > >> > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > >> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bill > >> Patten > >> Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 3:31 PM > >> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > >> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] 1 GB Ram - but what is it? > >> > >> Rocky, > >> > >> Try typing tasklist /svc in a dos prompt, that may help. > >> > >> In Windows 8 you can click on the drop down in front of the > >> svchost, and I think the freeware 'what's running' will show you as > >> well > >> > >> Bill > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Rocky Smolin > >> Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 2:55 PM > >> To: 'Off Topic' ; List > >> Subject: [dba-Tech] 1 GB Ram - but what is it? > >> > >> Looking at my task manager I have a svchost.exe process that's > >> taking 1.0 > >> -1.3 GB RAM Any way to find out what it is? > >> > >> There's a bunch of the svchost.exe processes but smaller - 13 of > >> them ranging from 2 to 40 MB in size. Who are they? > >> > >> I just terminated the big one. Everything seems OK so far. > >> > >> Rocky > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> dba-Tech mailing list > >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> dba-Tech mailing list > >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> dba-Tech mailing list > >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Sat Jan 26 00:23:13 2013 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 16:23:13 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] 1 GB Ram - but what is it? In-Reply-To: <51034260.23881.3D5DF4EB@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <72B023E531D8439E8A22B77F8D36262B@HAL9007>, <162C86A2-981A-41BD-9902-0E8CD2560BED@phulse.com>, <51034260.23881.3D5DF4EB@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <51037651.31416.3E28D6E4@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Jumped to 160MB in the last 3 1/2 hours. So it certainly looks like a buggy app with a bad memory leak.- A quick google confirms it, lots of reports of the same problem. Rocky, Yours 1GB hog may be a similar problem. Check with ProcExp what is running under that particular svchost and monitor its size over time. Then decide whether it is a critical component or whether you can disable it. -- Stuart On 26 Jan 2013 at 12:41, Stuart McLachlan wrote: > I just did some more testing and when initially loaded, it "only" uses about 100MB - so there > would appear to be a serious memory leak in it (I haven't rebooted the laptop for several days > at least). > > I think I'll leave it running for now and see what it does over time. > > > -- > Stuart > > On 25 Jan 2013 at 16:55, Hans-Christian Andersen wrote: > > > Unbelievable!!! I remember running Windows 3.11 for Workgroups on just a mere 8 megabytes (yes, megabytes!) and these days software developers are incapable of writing touchpad extensions software that fits under 1.3 gigabytes of RAM. > > > > http://www.mememaker.net/static/images/templates/14288.jpg > > > > - Hans > > > > > > > > On 2013-01-25, at 4:47 PM, "Stuart McLachlan" wrote: > > > > > Out of interest, I just ran ProcExp on my laptop. I found that the Synaptecs Touchpad > > > Extensions was using 1.3GB of RAM :-( > > > > > > I stopped the process, recovered 1.3GB of free RAM and the touchpad still works fine (I thnk > > > the only thing it did was make the touchpad "mulit-touch" and makes the serrrated line on the > > > right hand side of the touchpad emulate the scroll wheel. Neither of which I use in > > > practice.) > > > > > > So I used Sysinternals Autoruns to disable loading it at startup. > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Stuart > > > > > > On 25 Jan 2013 at 16:38, Rocky Smolin wrote: > > > > > >> How nice that the DOS commands I used 30 years ago are still under that > > >> sophisticated GUI. Now that's software with LEGS! :) > > >> > > >> But not too informative - no RAM size so I cant tie it to what I'm seeing in > > >> the task manager. > > >> > > >> I'll try What's Running...well that just tells me that all the svchost.exe > > >> belong to MS Windows Operating System. > > >> > > >> Well, I don't have the big svchost problem at the moment. And it's Miller > > >> Time. :) > > >> > > >> R > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> -----Original Message----- > > >> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > >> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bill Patten > > >> Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 3:31 PM > > >> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > >> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] 1 GB Ram - but what is it? > > >> > > >> Rocky, > > >> > > >> Try typing tasklist /svc in a dos prompt, that may help. > > >> > > >> In Windows 8 you can click on the drop down in front of the svchost, and I > > >> think the freeware 'what's running' will show you as well > > >> > > >> Bill > > >> > > >> > > >> -----Original Message----- > > >> From: Rocky Smolin > > >> Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 2:55 PM > > >> To: 'Off Topic' ; List > > >> Subject: [dba-Tech] 1 GB Ram - but what is it? > > >> > > >> Looking at my task manager I have a svchost.exe process that's taking 1.0 > > >> -1.3 GB RAM Any way to find out what it is? > > >> > > >> There's a bunch of the svchost.exe processes but smaller - 13 of them > > >> ranging from 2 to 40 MB in size. Who are they? > > >> > > >> I just terminated the big one. Everything seems OK so far. > > >> > > >> Rocky > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> dba-Tech mailing list > > >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> dba-Tech mailing list > > >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> dba-Tech mailing list > > >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > >> > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Sat Jan 26 00:42:30 2013 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 22:42:30 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] 1 GB Ram - but what is it? In-Reply-To: <001201cdfb5e$357c2b40$a07481c0$@sc.rr.com> References: <72B023E531D8439E8A22B77F8D36262B@HAL9007> <001201cdfb5e$357c2b40$a07481c0$@sc.rr.com> Message-ID: <5C068B1376B9460B80B429106F29B1C4@HAL9007> Sysinternals I've used. But frankly, I don't know what to do with the information. It's interesting but baffling. R -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bobby Heid Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 4:44 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] 1 GB Ram - but what is it? Rocky, Also, download Process Explorer by SysInternals. Great product! http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb896653. This is one of the first programs I install on my PCs and if I am working on other peoples PCs. It can be made to replace (for as long as you want) the windows task manager. SO much more functionality and information than the standard task manager (although Win 8's task manager is better than any prior Windows' version of task manager). When you run it, hover over the svchost.exe and it will show you all of the services under that particular instance of svchost. Bobby -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bill Patten Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 6:31 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] 1 GB Ram - but what is it? Rocky, Try typing tasklist /svc in a dos prompt, that may help. In Windows 8 you can click on the drop down in front of the svchost, and I think the freeware 'what's running' will show you as well Bill -----Original Message----- From: Rocky Smolin Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 2:55 PM To: 'Off Topic' ; List Subject: [dba-Tech] 1 GB Ram - but what is it? Looking at my task manager I have a svchost.exe process that's taking 1.0 -1.3 GB RAM Any way to find out what it is? There's a bunch of the svchost.exe processes but smaller - 13 of them ranging from 2 to 40 MB in size. Who are they? I just terminated the big one. Everything seems OK so far. Rocky _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Sat Jan 26 01:05:48 2013 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 23:05:48 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] 1 GB Ram - but what is it? In-Reply-To: <51037651.31416.3E28D6E4@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <72B023E531D8439E8A22B77F8D36262B@HAL9007>, <162C86A2-981A-41BD-9902-0E8CD2560BED@phulse.com>, <51034260.23881.3D5DF4EB@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <51037651.31416.3E28D6E4@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: Whatever it was, it seems to have gone away. But I've been keeping the task manager open in the task bar of late and keeping an eye on things. R -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 10:23 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] 1 GB Ram - but what is it? Jumped to 160MB in the last 3 1/2 hours. So it certainly looks like a buggy app with a bad memory leak.- A quick google confirms it, lots of reports of the same problem. Rocky, Yours 1GB hog may be a similar problem. Check with ProcExp what is running under that particular svchost and monitor its size over time. Then decide whether it is a critical component or whether you can disable it. -- Stuart On 26 Jan 2013 at 12:41, Stuart McLachlan wrote: > I just did some more testing and when initially loaded, it "only" uses about 100MB - so there > would appear to be a serious memory leak in it (I haven't rebooted the laptop for several days > at least). > > I think I'll leave it running for now and see what it does over time. > > > -- > Stuart > > On 25 Jan 2013 at 16:55, Hans-Christian Andersen wrote: > > > Unbelievable!!! I remember running Windows 3.11 for Workgroups on just a mere 8 megabytes (yes, megabytes!) and these days software developers are incapable of writing touchpad extensions software that fits under 1.3 gigabytes of RAM. > > > > http://www.mememaker.net/static/images/templates/14288.jpg > > > > - Hans > > > > > > > > On 2013-01-25, at 4:47 PM, "Stuart McLachlan" wrote: > > > > > Out of interest, I just ran ProcExp on my laptop. I found that the Synaptecs Touchpad > > > Extensions was using 1.3GB of RAM :-( > > > > > > I stopped the process, recovered 1.3GB of free RAM and the touchpad still works fine (I thnk > > > the only thing it did was make the touchpad "mulit-touch" and makes the serrrated line on the > > > right hand side of the touchpad emulate the scroll wheel. Neither of which I use in > > > practice.) > > > > > > So I used Sysinternals Autoruns to disable loading it at startup. > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Stuart > > > > > > On 25 Jan 2013 at 16:38, Rocky Smolin wrote: > > > > > >> How nice that the DOS commands I used 30 years ago are still under that > > >> sophisticated GUI. Now that's software with LEGS! :) > > >> > > >> But not too informative - no RAM size so I cant tie it to what I'm seeing in > > >> the task manager. > > >> > > >> I'll try What's Running...well that just tells me that all the svchost.exe > > >> belong to MS Windows Operating System. > > >> > > >> Well, I don't have the big svchost problem at the moment. And it's Miller > > >> Time. :) > > >> > > >> R > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> -----Original Message----- > > >> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > >> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bill Patten > > >> Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 3:31 PM > > >> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > >> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] 1 GB Ram - but what is it? > > >> > > >> Rocky, > > >> > > >> Try typing tasklist /svc in a dos prompt, that may help. > > >> > > >> In Windows 8 you can click on the drop down in front of the svchost, and I > > >> think the freeware 'what's running' will show you as well > > >> > > >> Bill > > >> > > >> > > >> -----Original Message----- > > >> From: Rocky Smolin > > >> Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 2:55 PM > > >> To: 'Off Topic' ; List > > >> Subject: [dba-Tech] 1 GB Ram - but what is it? > > >> > > >> Looking at my task manager I have a svchost.exe process that's taking 1.0 > > >> -1.3 GB RAM Any way to find out what it is? > > >> > > >> There's a bunch of the svchost.exe processes but smaller - 13 of them > > >> ranging from 2 to 40 MB in size. Who are they? > > >> > > >> I just terminated the big one. Everything seems OK so far. > > >> > > >> Rocky > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> dba-Tech mailing list > > >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> dba-Tech mailing list > > >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> dba-Tech mailing list > > >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > >> > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From hans.andersen at phulse.com Sat Jan 26 03:07:10 2013 From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 01:07:10 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] 1 GB Ram - but what is it? In-Reply-To: References: <72B023E531D8439E8A22B77F8D36262B@HAL9007> <162C86A2-981A-41BD-9902-0E8CD2560BED@phulse.com> <51034260.23881.3D5DF4EB@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <51037651.31416.3E28D6E4@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <22C0AB38-1672-47EA-95C7-DDE045456DD4@phulse.com> As always with bugs and memory leaks, they don't happen until you give up and do something more productive with your time. Best regards, Hans-Christian Andersen On 25 Jan 2013, at 23:05, "Rocky Smolin" wrote: > Whatever it was, it seems to have gone away. But I've been keeping the > task manager open in the task bar of late and keeping an eye on things. > > R > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan > Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 10:23 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] 1 GB Ram - but what is it? > > Jumped to 160MB in the last 3 1/2 hours. So it certainly looks like a > buggy app with a bad > memory leak.- A quick google confirms it, lots of reports of the same > problem. > > Rocky, Yours 1GB hog may be a similar problem. Check with ProcExp what is > running > under that particular svchost and monitor its size over time. Then decide > whether it is a > critical component or whether you can disable it. > > > -- > Stuart > > > On 26 Jan 2013 at 12:41, Stuart McLachlan wrote: > >> I just did some more testing and when initially loaded, it "only" uses > about 100MB - so there >> would appear to be a serious memory leak in it (I haven't rebooted the > laptop for several days >> at least). >> >> I think I'll leave it running for now and see what it does over time. >> >> >> -- >> Stuart >> >> On 25 Jan 2013 at 16:55, Hans-Christian Andersen wrote: >> >>> Unbelievable!!! I remember running Windows 3.11 for Workgroups on just a > mere 8 megabytes (yes, megabytes!) and these days software developers are > incapable of writing touchpad extensions software that fits under 1.3 > gigabytes of RAM. >>> >>> http://www.mememaker.net/static/images/templates/14288.jpg >>> >>> - Hans >>> >>> >>> >>> On 2013-01-25, at 4:47 PM, "Stuart McLachlan" > wrote: >>> >>>> Out of interest, I just ran ProcExp on my laptop. I found that the > Synaptecs Touchpad >>>> Extensions was using 1.3GB of RAM :-( >>>> >>>> I stopped the process, recovered 1.3GB of free RAM and the touchpad > still works fine (I thnk >>>> the only thing it did was make the touchpad "mulit-touch" and makes > the serrrated line on the >>>> right hand side of the touchpad emulate the scroll wheel. Neither of > which I use in >>>> practice.) >>>> >>>> So I used Sysinternals Autoruns to disable loading it at startup. >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Stuart >>>> >>>> On 25 Jan 2013 at 16:38, Rocky Smolin wrote: >>>> >>>>> How nice that the DOS commands I used 30 years ago are still under > that >>>>> sophisticated GUI. Now that's software with LEGS! :) >>>>> >>>>> But not too informative - no RAM size so I cant tie it to what I'm > seeing in >>>>> the task manager. >>>>> >>>>> I'll try What's Running...well that just tells me that all the > svchost.exe >>>>> belong to MS Windows Operating System. >>>>> >>>>> Well, I don't have the big svchost problem at the moment. And it's > Miller >>>>> Time. :) >>>>> >>>>> R >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >>>>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bill > Patten >>>>> Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 3:31 PM >>>>> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues >>>>> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] 1 GB Ram - but what is it? >>>>> >>>>> Rocky, >>>>> >>>>> Try typing tasklist /svc in a dos prompt, that may help. >>>>> >>>>> In Windows 8 you can click on the drop down in front of the svchost, > and I >>>>> think the freeware 'what's running' will show you as well >>>>> >>>>> Bill >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: Rocky Smolin >>>>> Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 2:55 PM >>>>> To: 'Off Topic' ; List >>>>> Subject: [dba-Tech] 1 GB Ram - but what is it? >>>>> >>>>> Looking at my task manager I have a svchost.exe process that's taking > 1.0 >>>>> -1.3 GB RAM Any way to find out what it is? >>>>> >>>>> There's a bunch of the svchost.exe processes but smaller - 13 of them >>>>> ranging from 2 to 40 MB in size. Who are they? >>>>> >>>>> I just terminated the big one. Everything seems OK so far. >>>>> >>>>> Rocky >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> dba-Tech mailing list >>>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> dba-Tech mailing list >>>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> dba-Tech mailing list >>>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> dba-Tech mailing list >>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> dba-Tech mailing list >>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From mcp2004 at mail.ru Sat Jan 26 04:21:23 2013 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 14:21:23 +0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?Nikon_WU-1a_Wireless_Mobile_Adapter_=26_Niko?= =?utf-8?q?n_D5200_SDK?= Message-ID: <1359195683.152201781@f47.mail.ru> Hi All -- Have anybody tried to use?Nikon WU-1a Wireless Mobile Adapter http://www.nikonusa.com/en/Nikon-Products/Product/Wireless/27081/WU-1a-Wireless-Mobile-Adapter.html?cid=prt-0512-wu1a for some custom development using Nikon D5200 SDK https://sdk.nikonimaging.com/apply/ ? I have applied for Nikon D5200 SDK to investigate what it's but I haven't yet got any feedback... and I do not have yet Nikon D5200 purchased to test it with WU-1a wireless adapter, which should work out-of-the box with Android and iPhone/iPad devices using free applications. Thank you. -- Shamil From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Sat Jan 26 10:11:49 2013 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 08:11:49 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Pygmalion Message-ID: <917EDF09289D4F7EBB7E07BB3B4C715B@HAL9007> We went to see a staging of Shaw's Pygmalion last night - its the centennial of the play. Shaw's always entertaining. Higgins was played by Robert Sean Leonard - better known as Wilson in House. But it was a bit distracting to watch as the dialog led into so many great songs from the musical and Rex Harrison is for me the definitive Higgins. So we came home and you tubed some of the tunes, then more of them. I'd forgotten how many great tunes there were in that show. Look at this list: http://musicals.net/cgi-bin/songlist?sn=57 &show=My+Fair+Lady When I was a kid we had the 33 rpm album and my sister loved it. So I got to hear it a lot. Along with a lot of other musicals - she was big on that. I didn't care much for them at the time, but they stuck in my head like music will and now I love the songs - South Pacific, West Side Story, Carousel, Oklahoma, Paint Your Wagon. That's uniquely American music. I've Grown Accustomed To Her Face has become a pretty popular jazz standard - we play it in the trio. Wish I could sing it. Coincidentally, we went to another play a couple of weeks ago - invited to a dress rehearsal at the North Coast Rep - with the same theme: Educating Rita. It was a movie a few years back. Professor transforms a working class woman into an intellectual and she eventually moves off without him. The Pygmalion story but without Pygmalion's moral question That's my a.m. ramble. R From mcp2004 at mail.ru Sat Jan 26 11:25:57 2013 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 21:25:57 +0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?Pygmalion?= In-Reply-To: <917EDF09289D4F7EBB7E07BB3B4C715B@HAL9007> References: <917EDF09289D4F7EBB7E07BB3B4C715B@HAL9007> Message-ID: <1359221157.513842764@f27.mail.ru> Thank you, Rocky. And I liked "My Fair Lady" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Fair_Lady_(film ) when I was ten years old AFAICR (IISCRP). There was also here a very good Russian (Soviet) film "Pygmalion":? http://www.kino-teatr.ru/teatr/movie/8787/annot/ I have never seen this one "? PYGMALION (1938)" - ? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmdPj_XbF30 ?- I will try to watch it over this weekend and I will try to get my son to watch it too. -- Shamil ???????, 26 ?????? 2013, 8:11 -08:00 ?? "Rocky Smolin" : >We went to see a staging of Shaw's Pygmalion last night - its the centennial >of the play. Shaw's always entertaining. Higgins was played by Robert Sean >Leonard - better known as Wilson in House. But it was a bit distracting to >watch as the dialog led into so many great songs from the musical and Rex >Harrison is for me the definitive Higgins. >? >So we came home and you tubed some of the tunes, then more of them. I'd >forgotten how many great tunes there were in that show. Look at this list: >? >http://musicals.net/cgi-bin/songlist?sn=57 >< http://musicals.net/cgi-bin/songlist?sn=57&show=My+Fair+Lady > >&show=My+Fair+Lady >? >When I was a kid we had the 33 rpm album and my sister loved it. So I got >to hear it a lot. Along with a lot of other musicals - she was big on that. >I didn't care much for them at the time, but they stuck in my head like >music will and now I love the songs - South Pacific, West Side Story, >Carousel, Oklahoma, Paint Your Wagon. That's uniquely American music. >? >I've Grown Accustomed To Her Face has become a pretty popular jazz standard >- we play it in the trio. Wish I could sing it. >? >Coincidentally, we went to another play a couple of weeks ago - invited to a >dress rehearsal at the North Coast Rep - with the same theme: Educating >Rita. It was a movie a few years back. Professor transforms a working >class woman into an intellectual and she eventually moves off without him. >The Pygmalion story but without Pygmalion's moral question >? >That's my a.m. ramble. >? >R >? >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Sat Jan 26 11:42:58 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 09:42:58 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Pygmalion In-Reply-To: <917EDF09289D4F7EBB7E07BB3B4C715B@HAL9007> References: <917EDF09289D4F7EBB7E07BB3B4C715B@HAL9007> Message-ID: <6F74D3D777C540EB838E152A05C71FF8@creativesystemdesigns.com> It sounds like a great night out...you will remember that for years. We usually see a play about once a month; the last one we saw was a called "That Face", a pretty rough drama along the lines of "Who's Afraid of Virginia Wolf" but interesting enough this award winning play was written a nineteen year old girl...a playwright with a great future. Have not seen a musical since Gigi...a perennial family favourite. South Pacific always holds a soft spot as, when ten, I was one of the top hundred news carriers in the city and we all received matinee tickets to a new movie plus free popcorn and drink. (Was in love with Mitzi Gaynor for years.) My father used to sing in a number of operettas, mostly Gilbert and Sullivan but unfortunately, like my mother, I had difficultly hitting a note with a scatter gun. Back to work... Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 8:12 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] Pygmalion We went to see a staging of Shaw's Pygmalion last night - its the centennial of the play. Shaw's always entertaining. Higgins was played by Robert Sean Leonard - better known as Wilson in House. But it was a bit distracting to watch as the dialog led into so many great songs from the musical and Rex Harrison is for me the definitive Higgins. So we came home and you tubed some of the tunes, then more of them. I'd forgotten how many great tunes there were in that show. Look at this list: http://musicals.net/cgi-bin/songlist?sn=57 &show=My+Fair+Lady When I was a kid we had the 33 rpm album and my sister loved it. So I got to hear it a lot. Along with a lot of other musicals - she was big on that. I didn't care much for them at the time, but they stuck in my head like music will and now I love the songs - South Pacific, West Side Story, Carousel, Oklahoma, Paint Your Wagon. That's uniquely American music. I've Grown Accustomed To Her Face has become a pretty popular jazz standard - we play it in the trio. Wish I could sing it. Coincidentally, we went to another play a couple of weeks ago - invited to a dress rehearsal at the North Coast Rep - with the same theme: Educating Rita. It was a movie a few years back. Professor transforms a working class woman into an intellectual and she eventually moves off without him. The Pygmalion story but without Pygmalion's moral question That's my a.m. ramble. R _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Sat Jan 26 12:02:02 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 10:02:02 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] database In-Reply-To: <6F74D3D777C540EB838E152A05C71FF8@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <917EDF09289D4F7EBB7E07BB3B4C715B@HAL9007> <6F74D3D777C540EB838E152A05C71FF8@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: Today and tomorrow I will be working on a huge database. It has records going back to the late eighties and the client wants the whole system cleared except for the last five years. Clearing data is not difficult but leaving no orphaned records is. There are over a hundred inter-related tables and I have been planning this with the client for a couple of months and today is the day (the company's year-end). Has any one else had similar experiences and any insights, recommendations and so on? Jim From accessd at shaw.ca Sat Jan 26 12:13:53 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 10:13:53 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Nikon WU-1a Wireless Mobile Adapter & Nikon D5200 SDK In-Reply-To: <1359195683.152201781@f47.mail.ru> References: <1359195683.152201781@f47.mail.ru> Message-ID: <82F5406563FB49B6923729DF5F35A9FB@creativesystemdesigns.com> Hi Shamil: It does look like a very interesting device. What does this device do that a standard Smartphone does not have or can do? Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov Shamil Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 2:21 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Nikon WU-1a Wireless Mobile Adapter & Nikon D5200 SDK Hi All -- Have anybody tried to use?Nikon WU-1a Wireless Mobile Adapter http://www.nikonusa.com/en/Nikon-Products/Product/Wireless/27081/WU-1a-Wirel ess-Mobile-Adapter.html?cid=prt-0512-wu1a for some custom development using Nikon D5200 SDK https://sdk.nikonimaging.com/apply/ ? I have applied for Nikon D5200 SDK to investigate what it's but I haven't yet got any feedback... and I do not have yet Nikon D5200 purchased to test it with WU-1a wireless adapter, which should work out-of-the box with Android and iPhone/iPad devices using free applications. Thank you. -- Shamil _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Sat Jan 26 12:16:01 2013 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 10:16:01 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Pygmalion In-Reply-To: <1359221157.513842764@f27.mail.ru> References: <917EDF09289D4F7EBB7E07BB3B4C715B@HAL9007> <1359221157.513842764@f27.mail.ru> Message-ID: <66760D4A7A7A498894CF8817F517B751@HAL9007> In the play Higgins turns out to be a much bigger jerk than in the musical. That 1938 version's not too true to the original play but you'll get the idea. Maybe there's a youtube of a stage production. R -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov Shamil Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 9:26 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Pygmalion Thank you, Rocky. And I liked "My Fair Lady" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Fair_Lady_(film ) when I was ten years old AFAICR (IISCRP). There was also here a very good Russian (Soviet) film "Pygmalion":? http://www.kino-teatr.ru/teatr/movie/8787/annot/ I have never seen this one "? PYGMALION (1938)" - ? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmdPj_XbF30 ?- I will try to watch it over this weekend and I will try to get my son to watch it too. -- Shamil ???????, 26 ?????? 2013, 8:11 -08:00 ?? "Rocky Smolin" : >We went to see a staging of Shaw's Pygmalion last night - its the >centennial of the play. Shaw's always entertaining. Higgins was >played by Robert Sean Leonard - better known as Wilson in House. But >it was a bit distracting to watch as the dialog led into so many great >songs from the musical and Rex Harrison is for me the definitive Higgins. >? >So we came home and you tubed some of the tunes, then more of them. >I'd forgotten how many great tunes there were in that show. Look at this list: >? >http://musicals.net/cgi-bin/songlist?sn=57 >< http://musicals.net/cgi-bin/songlist?sn=57&show=My+Fair+Lady > >&show=My+Fair+Lady >? >When I was a kid we had the 33 rpm album and my sister loved it. So I >got to hear it a lot. Along with a lot of other musicals - she was big on that. >I didn't care much for them at the time, but they stuck in my head like >music will and now I love the songs - South Pacific, West Side Story, >Carousel, Oklahoma, Paint Your Wagon. That's uniquely American music. >? >I've Grown Accustomed To Her Face has become a pretty popular jazz >standard >- we play it in the trio. Wish I could sing it. >? >Coincidentally, we went to another play a couple of weeks ago - invited >to a dress rehearsal at the North Coast Rep - with the same theme: >Educating Rita. It was a movie a few years back. Professor transforms >a working class woman into an intellectual and she eventually moves off without him. >The Pygmalion story but without Pygmalion's moral question >? >That's my a.m. ramble. >? >R >? >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Sat Jan 26 12:16:06 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 10:16:06 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Credit card reader In-Reply-To: References: <917EDF09289D4F7EBB7E07BB3B4C715B@HAL9007><6F74D3D777C540EB838E152A05C71FF8@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: Does anyone have experience with the following type of devices, on Smartphones and Tablets? A client has been asking. http://www.northpay.ca/merchant-account/m-commerce Jim From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Sat Jan 26 12:17:55 2013 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 10:17:55 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] database In-Reply-To: References: <917EDF09289D4F7EBB7E07BB3B4C715B@HAL9007><6F74D3D777C540EB838E152A05C71FF8@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: Modifying the relationships to cascade delete? Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 10:02 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] database Today and tomorrow I will be working on a huge database. It has records going back to the late eighties and the client wants the whole system cleared except for the last five years. Clearing data is not difficult but leaving no orphaned records is. There are over a hundred inter-related tables and I have been planning this with the client for a couple of months and today is the day (the company's year-end). Has any one else had similar experiences and any insights, recommendations and so on? Jim _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From john at winhaven.net Sat Jan 26 12:20:36 2013 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 12:20:36 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] database In-Reply-To: References: <917EDF09289D4F7EBB7E07BB3B4C715B@HAL9007> <6F74D3D777C540EB838E152A05C71FF8@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <009901cdfbf1$d6b86030$84292090$@winhaven.net> Isn't that a great use for enforcing relational integrity via the DB engine? -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 12:02 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] database Today and tomorrow I will be working on a huge database. It has records going back to the late eighties and the client wants the whole system cleared except for the last five years. Clearing data is not difficult but leaving no orphaned records is. There are over a hundred inter-related tables and I have been planning this with the client for a couple of months and today is the day (the company's year-end). Has any one else had similar experiences and any insights, recommendations and so on? Jim _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From mcp2004 at mail.ru Sat Jan 26 12:33:31 2013 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 22:33:31 +0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?Nikon_WU-1a_Wireless_Mobile_Adapter_=26_Niko?= =?utf-8?q?n_D5200_SDK?= In-Reply-To: <82F5406563FB49B6923729DF5F35A9FB@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <1359195683.152201781@f47.mail.ru> <82F5406563FB49B6923729DF5F35A9FB@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <1359225211.89204485@f203.mail.ru> Hi Jim -- But smart-phones will never provide the high quality photos as they (smart-phones) will very unlikely to ever have good (professional) ?camera lenses. I'm looking for a way to automate some high-quality amateur/professional photo-picturing work using WinPhone - Nikon D5200 has Android and iPhone/iPad apps to communicate via Nikon WU-1a but Windows Phone app is still missing: http://www.nikonusa.com/en/Learn-And-Explore/Article/h4spl2xm/shooting-wirelessly-with-nikon-d-slrs-and-wi-fi-adapters.html Thank you. -- Shamil ???????, 26 ?????? 2013, 10:13 -08:00 ?? "Jim Lawrence" : >Hi Shamil: > >It does look like a very interesting device. What does this device do that a >standard Smartphone does not have or can do? > >Jim > >-----Original Message----- >From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov >Shamil >Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 2:21 AM >To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues >Subject: [dba-Tech] Nikon WU-1a Wireless Mobile Adapter & Nikon D5200 SDK > >?Hi All -- > >Have anybody tried to use?Nikon WU-1a Wireless Mobile Adapter >http://www.nikonusa.com/en/Nikon-Products/Product/Wireless/27081/WU-1a-Wirel >ess-Mobile-Adapter.html?cid=prt-0512-wu1a > >for some custom development using Nikon D5200 SDK >https://sdk.nikonimaging.com/apply/ >? > >I have applied for Nikon D5200 SDK to investigate what it's but I haven't >yet got any feedback... and I do not have yet Nikon D5200 purchased to test >it with WU-1a wireless adapter, which should work out-of-the box with >Android and iPhone/iPad devices using free applications. > >Thank you. > >-- Shamil > > From tinanfields at torchlake.com Sat Jan 26 12:42:21 2013 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 13:42:21 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: Women are Better Than Men at Financial Planning In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5104238D.1080707@torchlake.com> Hmm, certain women seem to be masters at strategy, too! :-) T Tina Norris Fields tinanfields at torchlake.com 231-322-2787 On 1/25/2013 1:13 PM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > Dan was a single guy living at home with his father and working in the > family business. When he found out he was going to inherit a fortune when > his cancer stricken father died, he decided he needed to find a wife with > whom to share his fortune. > > One evening, at an investment meeting, he spotted the most beautiful woman > he had ever seen. > Her natural beauty took his breath away. > > "I may look like just an ordinary guy," he said to her, "But in just a few > months my father will die and I will inherit $200 million". > > Impressed, the woman asked for his business card and three days later, she > became his stepmother. > > Women are so much better at financial planning than men. > From accessd at shaw.ca Sat Jan 26 12:44:57 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 10:44:57 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] database In-Reply-To: References: <917EDF09289D4F7EBB7E07BB3B4C715B@HAL9007><6F74D3D777C540EB838E152A05C71FF8@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: Those were my initial thoughts but then there would be issues with inventory and the related accounting. Then there is the issues with whether a client ever had an unpaid invoice, a bankruptcy or even association issues that will a have to be rolled forward and records will still have to be flagged and situations noted. There is also the thresholds that may establish a client, supplier or even staff as "rated highly", "to watch" or "do not do business with" as incidents before the five year cut-off must be carried forward. Some inventory has been active for twenty years while other items not... Then there is the accounting, security and transaction files. Then there are the issues of how much should be carried forward, in summary files... The clients still wants to be able to chart activity even though it may have been rolled up to five years...setting averages, viewing trends, inventory/equipment quality, and so on. Then there has been a lot of bad practices, especially in the accounting where a series of book-keepers were suppose to manage things...now the company has a real Chartered Accountant...a breathe of fresh air. As you are an expert at business practices any thoughts and cautions would be appreciated? Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 10:18 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] database Modifying the relationships to cascade delete? Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 10:02 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] database Today and tomorrow I will be working on a huge database. It has records going back to the late eighties and the client wants the whole system cleared except for the last five years. Clearing data is not difficult but leaving no orphaned records is. There are over a hundred inter-related tables and I have been planning this with the client for a couple of months and today is the day (the company's year-end). Has any one else had similar experiences and any insights, recommendations and so on? Jim _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Gustav at cactus.dk Sat Jan 26 12:49:31 2013 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 19:49:31 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] database Message-ID: Hi Jim I must say you have great confidence in us. After a couple of months' planning you ask for good advice within the hour! That said, and as already mentioned, I would certainly look for setting cascade deletes. /gustav >>> accessd at shaw.ca 26-01-13 19:02 >>> Today and tomorrow I will be working on a huge database. It has records going back to the late eighties and the client wants the whole system cleared except for the last five years. Clearing data is not difficult but leaving no orphaned records is. There are over a hundred inter-related tables and I have been planning this with the client for a couple of months and today is the day (the company's year-end). Has any one else had similar experiences and any insights, recommendations and so on? Jim From tinanfields at torchlake.com Sat Jan 26 12:59:54 2013 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 13:59:54 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] database In-Reply-To: References: <917EDF09289D4F7EBB7E07BB3B4C715B@HAL9007> <6F74D3D777C540EB838E152A05C71FF8@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <510427AA.7020604@torchlake.com> Okay, first I would make a copy of the database as it stands, now. That would be my backup for safekeeping. Then, couldn't you enforce referential integrity and enable cascade delete? Or, am I being too simple-minded? I do that, sometimes. :-) T Tina Norris Fields tinanfields at torchlake.com 231-322-2787 On 1/26/2013 1:02 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Today and tomorrow I will be working on a huge database. > > It has records going back to the late eighties and the client wants the > whole system cleared except for the last five years. Clearing data is not > difficult but leaving no orphaned records is. There are over a hundred > inter-related tables and I have been planning this with the client for a > couple of months and today is the day (the company's year-end). > > Has any one else had similar experiences and any insights, recommendations > and so on? > > Jim > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From accessd at shaw.ca Sat Jan 26 13:09:57 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 11:09:57 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] database In-Reply-To: <009901cdfbf1$d6b86030$84292090$@winhaven.net> References: <917EDF09289D4F7EBB7E07BB3B4C715B@HAL9007> <6F74D3D777C540EB838E152A05C71FF8@creativesystemdesigns.com> <009901cdfbf1$d6b86030$84292090$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: The simple answer is yes and no... I have answered more fully in a response to Rocky's similar comment. If you have any comments or words of wisdom or experience they would be appreciated. I am still carefully going over the batch files (each component has been tested and re-tested over the last couple of months) and have been adding exception code when required. The process file is a few thousand lines of code and the real processing can not start until after the business has closed, at 5:00PM and the backups have been run. After that, with any sort of luck the batch will crunch away for next 24 to 36 hours or so...requiring no human intervention. The data has to be first cleaned, accounts balanced even before the roll-ups starts. After all the processes have been successfully completed, then the remaining data will be exported, the tables will be cleared of data, the data files keys will be removed, the data will then be imported, the keys will then be re-added and the counter numbers be set to the appropriate start values. In the highly unlikely even that anything goes wrong (yeah, right), I have set the system to automatically call my cell, hopefully providing the appropriate error messages. I have done many such systems over the years but never done one with so many years of data or for that matter so complex. I plan to sleep again on Monday. ;-) Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 10:21 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] database Isn't that a great use for enforcing relational integrity via the DB engine? -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 12:02 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] database Today and tomorrow I will be working on a huge database. It has records going back to the late eighties and the client wants the whole system cleared except for the last five years. Clearing data is not difficult but leaving no orphaned records is. There are over a hundred inter-related tables and I have been planning this with the client for a couple of months and today is the day (the company's year-end). Has any one else had similar experiences and any insights, recommendations and so on? Jim _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Sat Jan 26 13:18:07 2013 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 11:18:07 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] database In-Reply-To: References: <917EDF09289D4F7EBB7E07BB3B4C715B@HAL9007><6F74D3D777C540EB838E152A05C71FF8@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <073184FFBAB94F4782547523D0507816@HAL9007> I'd archive the entire database so that they could go back and look later if necessary. What is their reason for clearing out everything but the last five years? But then they want to preserve select records like unpaid invoice and be able to retrieve that data going back 20 years? R -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 10:45 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] database Those were my initial thoughts but then there would be issues with inventory and the related accounting. Then there is the issues with whether a client ever had an unpaid invoice, a bankruptcy or even association issues that will a have to be rolled forward and records will still have to be flagged and situations noted. There is also the thresholds that may establish a client, supplier or even staff as "rated highly", "to watch" or "do not do business with" as incidents before the five year cut-off must be carried forward. Some inventory has been active for twenty years while other items not... Then there is the accounting, security and transaction files. Then there are the issues of how much should be carried forward, in summary files... The clients still wants to be able to chart activity even though it may have been rolled up to five years...setting averages, viewing trends, inventory/equipment quality, and so on. Then there has been a lot of bad practices, especially in the accounting where a series of book-keepers were suppose to manage things...now the company has a real Chartered Accountant...a breathe of fresh air. As you are an expert at business practices any thoughts and cautions would be appreciated? Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 10:18 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] database Modifying the relationships to cascade delete? Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 10:02 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] database Today and tomorrow I will be working on a huge database. It has records going back to the late eighties and the client wants the whole system cleared except for the last five years. Clearing data is not difficult but leaving no orphaned records is. There are over a hundred inter-related tables and I have been planning this with the client for a couple of months and today is the day (the company's year-end). Has any one else had similar experiences and any insights, recommendations and so on? Jim _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Sat Jan 26 13:21:32 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 11:21:32 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Nikon WU-1a Wireless Mobile Adapter & Nikon D5200 SDK In-Reply-To: <1359225211.89204485@f203.mail.ru> References: <1359195683.152201781@f47.mail.ru><82F5406563FB49B6923729DF5F35A9FB@creativesystemdesigns.com> <1359225211.89204485@f203.mail.ru> Message-ID: <1ED9B422F12E4EBBBFD4E3A8E88A63D6@creativesystemdesigns.com> Hi Shamil: Isn't the limitations of a cell phone photo as much to do with capacity as quality? Isn't one good high quality photo, on a good camera could be a gigabyte in size? Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov Shamil Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 10:34 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Nikon WU-1a Wireless Mobile Adapter & Nikon D5200 SDK Hi Jim -- But smart-phones will never provide the high quality photos as they (smart-phones) will very unlikely to ever have good (professional) ?camera lenses. I'm looking for a way to automate some high-quality amateur/professional photo-picturing work using WinPhone - Nikon D5200 has Android and iPhone/iPad apps to communicate via Nikon WU-1a but Windows Phone app is still missing: http://www.nikonusa.com/en/Learn-And-Explore/Article/h4spl2xm/shooting-wirel essly-with-nikon-d-slrs-and-wi-fi-adapters.html Thank you. -- Shamil ???????, 26 ?????? 2013, 10:13 -08:00 ?? "Jim Lawrence" : >Hi Shamil: > >It does look like a very interesting device. What does this device do that a >standard Smartphone does not have or can do? > >Jim > >-----Original Message----- >From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov >Shamil >Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 2:21 AM >To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues >Subject: [dba-Tech] Nikon WU-1a Wireless Mobile Adapter & Nikon D5200 SDK > >?Hi All -- > >Have anybody tried to use?Nikon WU-1a Wireless Mobile Adapter >http://www.nikonusa.com/en/Nikon-Products/Product/Wireless/27081/WU-1a-Wire l >ess-Mobile-Adapter.html?cid=prt-0512-wu1a > >for some custom development using Nikon D5200 SDK >https://sdk.nikonimaging.com/apply/ >? > >I have applied for Nikon D5200 SDK to investigate what it's but I haven't >yet got any feedback... and I do not have yet Nikon D5200 purchased to test >it with WU-1a wireless adapter, which should work out-of-the box with >Android and iPhone/iPad devices using free applications. > >Thank you. > >-- Shamil > > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Sat Jan 26 13:23:33 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 11:23:33 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: Women are Better Than Men at Financial Planning In-Reply-To: <5104238D.1080707@torchlake.com> References: <5104238D.1080707@torchlake.com> Message-ID: As mothers today say to their sons, "Marry a doctor". ;-) Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris Fields Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 10:42 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] OT: Women are Better Than Men at Financial Planning Hmm, certain women seem to be masters at strategy, too! :-) T Tina Norris Fields tinanfields at torchlake.com 231-322-2787 On 1/25/2013 1:13 PM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > Dan was a single guy living at home with his father and working in the > family business. When he found out he was going to inherit a fortune when > his cancer stricken father died, he decided he needed to find a wife with > whom to share his fortune. > > One evening, at an investment meeting, he spotted the most beautiful woman > he had ever seen. > Her natural beauty took his breath away. > > "I may look like just an ordinary guy," he said to her, "But in just a few > months my father will die and I will inherit $200 million". > > Impressed, the woman asked for his business card and three days later, she > became his stepmother. > > Women are so much better at financial planning than men. > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Sat Jan 26 13:28:31 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 11:28:31 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] database In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3632849902EB4656BD62B0A2238D3762@creativesystemdesigns.com> Hi Gustav: I do have incredible confidence in you guys. It never hurts to be a little overly cautious with these sort of events and who knows, there may be a obvious "got-ya" that I have over-looked. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 10:50 AM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] database Hi Jim I must say you have great confidence in us. After a couple of months' planning you ask for good advice within the hour! That said, and as already mentioned, I would certainly look for setting cascade deletes. /gustav >>> accessd at shaw.ca 26-01-13 19:02 >>> Today and tomorrow I will be working on a huge database. It has records going back to the late eighties and the client wants the whole system cleared except for the last five years. Clearing data is not difficult but leaving no orphaned records is. There are over a hundred inter-related tables and I have been planning this with the client for a couple of months and today is the day (the company's year-end). Has any one else had similar experiences and any insights, recommendations and so on? Jim _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Sat Jan 26 13:31:03 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 11:31:03 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] database In-Reply-To: <510427AA.7020604@torchlake.com> References: <917EDF09289D4F7EBB7E07BB3B4C715B@HAL9007><6F74D3D777C540EB838E152A05C71FF8@creativesystemdesigns.com> <510427AA.7020604@torchlake.com> Message-ID: Hi Tina: Hardly simple minded but there are issues, in this case with straight " enforce referential integrity ". It is more thoroughly explained in a previous post. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris Fields Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 11:00 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] database Okay, first I would make a copy of the database as it stands, now. That would be my backup for safekeeping. Then, couldn't you enforce referential integrity and enable cascade delete? Or, am I being too simple-minded? I do that, sometimes. :-) T Tina Norris Fields tinanfields at torchlake.com 231-322-2787 On 1/26/2013 1:02 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Today and tomorrow I will be working on a huge database. > > It has records going back to the late eighties and the client wants the > whole system cleared except for the last five years. Clearing data is not > difficult but leaving no orphaned records is. There are over a hundred > inter-related tables and I have been planning this with the client for a > couple of months and today is the day (the company's year-end). > > Has any one else had similar experiences and any insights, recommendations > and so on? > > Jim > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From john at winhaven.net Sat Jan 26 13:32:59 2013 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 13:32:59 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] database In-Reply-To: References: <917EDF09289D4F7EBB7E07BB3B4C715B@HAL9007><6F74D3D777C540EB838E152A05C71FF8@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <009e01cdfbfb$f2fca8a0$d8f5f9e0$@winhaven.net> This is the stuff I love to do! But I will not fog the waters for you. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 12:45 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] database Those were my initial thoughts but then there would be issues with inventory and the related accounting. Then there is the issues with whether a client ever had an unpaid invoice, a bankruptcy or even association issues that will a have to be rolled forward and records will still have to be flagged and situations noted. There is also the thresholds that may establish a client, supplier or even staff as "rated highly", "to watch" or "do not do business with" as incidents before the five year cut-off must be carried forward. Some inventory has been active for twenty years while other items not... Then there is the accounting, security and transaction files. Then there are the issues of how much should be carried forward, in summary files... The clients still wants to be able to chart activity even though it may have been rolled up to five years...setting averages, viewing trends, inventory/equipment quality, and so on. Then there has been a lot of bad practices, especially in the accounting where a series of book-keepers were suppose to manage things...now the company has a real Chartered Accountant...a breathe of fresh air. As you are an expert at business practices any thoughts and cautions would be appreciated? Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 10:18 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] database Modifying the relationships to cascade delete? Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 10:02 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] database Today and tomorrow I will be working on a huge database. It has records going back to the late eighties and the client wants the whole system cleared except for the last five years. Clearing data is not difficult but leaving no orphaned records is. There are over a hundred inter-related tables and I have been planning this with the client for a couple of months and today is the day (the company's year-end). Has any one else had similar experiences and any insights, recommendations and so on? Jim _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Sat Jan 26 13:46:39 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 11:46:39 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] database In-Reply-To: <073184FFBAB94F4782547523D0507816@HAL9007> References: <917EDF09289D4F7EBB7E07BB3B4C715B@HAL9007><6F74D3D777C540EB838E152A05C71FF8@creativesystemdesigns.com> <073184FFBAB94F4782547523D0507816@HAL9007> Message-ID: <86670881BAF64C65BBC7772293D6D796@creativesystemdesigns.com> Hi Rocky: Yes, they will have an archive to refer to. Much of this planning has been between the owners and the new accountant as the government wants to do an audit. A businesses' greatest fear...given a potential law-suit. It appears the previous owner's books and postings are in direct conflict with new owners/accountants interpretation of the accounts...so everything must be squeaky clean and every transaction file (no record created and saved is ever really removed and any change is carefully recorded in these hidden transaction files...dates, differences, staff member performing the task and so on) must correctly cross-reference. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 11:18 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] database I'd archive the entire database so that they could go back and look later if necessary. What is their reason for clearing out everything but the last five years? But then they want to preserve select records like unpaid invoice and be able to retrieve that data going back 20 years? R -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 10:45 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] database Those were my initial thoughts but then there would be issues with inventory and the related accounting. Then there is the issues with whether a client ever had an unpaid invoice, a bankruptcy or even association issues that will a have to be rolled forward and records will still have to be flagged and situations noted. There is also the thresholds that may establish a client, supplier or even staff as "rated highly", "to watch" or "do not do business with" as incidents before the five year cut-off must be carried forward. Some inventory has been active for twenty years while other items not... Then there is the accounting, security and transaction files. Then there are the issues of how much should be carried forward, in summary files... The clients still wants to be able to chart activity even though it may have been rolled up to five years...setting averages, viewing trends, inventory/equipment quality, and so on. Then there has been a lot of bad practices, especially in the accounting where a series of book-keepers were suppose to manage things...now the company has a real Chartered Accountant...a breathe of fresh air. As you are an expert at business practices any thoughts and cautions would be appreciated? Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 10:18 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] database Modifying the relationships to cascade delete? Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 10:02 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] database Today and tomorrow I will be working on a huge database. It has records going back to the late eighties and the client wants the whole system cleared except for the last five years. Clearing data is not difficult but leaving no orphaned records is. There are over a hundred inter-related tables and I have been planning this with the client for a couple of months and today is the day (the company's year-end). Has any one else had similar experiences and any insights, recommendations and so on? Jim _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sat Jan 26 13:46:41 2013 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 14:46:41 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] database In-Reply-To: <009e01cdfbfb$f2fca8a0$d8f5f9e0$@winhaven.net> References: <917EDF09289D4F7EBB7E07BB3B4C715B@HAL9007> <6F74D3D777C540EB838E152A05C71FF8@creativesystemdesigns.com> <009e01cdfbfb$f2fca8a0$d8f5f9e0$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: The first question I'd ask, and doubtless you did, is, "How frequently will the old data ever be needed?" And the followup, "How far back?" Presumably the answer is a gradient, something like "the past five years, once a month; the previous five years before that, once a quarter or year; and the rest once in a blue moon." My reasoning is this. I'd prefer (SQL licensing and version permitting) to partition the tables across several hard disks, leaving only the past 5 years or so immediately accessible, and hitting the remote hard disks and partitions only occasionally. This would sidestep the need for any additional code or restore-procedures, etc. IIRC, this capability is available only in the more expensive licensing agreements and versions, which is why I asked about those. Another take on this, with similar perspective, is based on the simple notion that there is a "contemporary" window, beyond which data will never change. That suggests a possible move of all that old data into an Analysis Services database, which would be de-normalized and with all its counts and sums all available in pre-calculated form. That would require some serious space, but on the other hand, what in this business is cheaper than disk space? Arthur From accessd at shaw.ca Sat Jan 26 13:57:27 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 11:57:27 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] database In-Reply-To: <009e01cdfbfb$f2fca8a0$d8f5f9e0$@winhaven.net> References: <917EDF09289D4F7EBB7E07BB3B4C715B@HAL9007><6F74D3D777C540EB838E152A05C71FF8@creativesystemdesigns.com> <009e01cdfbfb$f2fca8a0$d8f5f9e0$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: Hi John: Right on; definitely the royal-jelly of tech work. My specialty is POS design and this database is one hundred percent mine, over twenty years of work, so I can blame no one else if everything does not work a hundred percent, every time. :-) Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 11:33 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] database This is the stuff I love to do! But I will not fog the waters for you. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 12:45 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] database Those were my initial thoughts but then there would be issues with inventory and the related accounting. Then there is the issues with whether a client ever had an unpaid invoice, a bankruptcy or even association issues that will a have to be rolled forward and records will still have to be flagged and situations noted. There is also the thresholds that may establish a client, supplier or even staff as "rated highly", "to watch" or "do not do business with" as incidents before the five year cut-off must be carried forward. Some inventory has been active for twenty years while other items not... Then there is the accounting, security and transaction files. Then there are the issues of how much should be carried forward, in summary files... The clients still wants to be able to chart activity even though it may have been rolled up to five years...setting averages, viewing trends, inventory/equipment quality, and so on. Then there has been a lot of bad practices, especially in the accounting where a series of book-keepers were suppose to manage things...now the company has a real Chartered Accountant...a breathe of fresh air. As you are an expert at business practices any thoughts and cautions would be appreciated? Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 10:18 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] database Modifying the relationships to cascade delete? Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 10:02 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] database Today and tomorrow I will be working on a huge database. It has records going back to the late eighties and the client wants the whole system cleared except for the last five years. Clearing data is not difficult but leaving no orphaned records is. There are over a hundred inter-related tables and I have been planning this with the client for a couple of months and today is the day (the company's year-end). Has any one else had similar experiences and any insights, recommendations and so on? Jim _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Sat Jan 26 14:40:39 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 12:40:39 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] database In-Reply-To: References: <917EDF09289D4F7EBB7E07BB3B4C715B@HAL9007><6F74D3D777C540EB838E152A05C71FF8@creativesystemdesigns.com><009e01cdfbfb$f2fca8a0$d8f5f9e0$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: <9C13FE4A8D564595983356650C351BAB@creativesystemdesigns.com> Hi Arthur: That question will be asked again after any potential government audit is completed and related issues resolved. The government does demand seven years of data but given that the company has new owners, five years of working data is all that is required. If things do not go well after the audit, the government may want to look back in the older data more for establishing a trend of differences between the real accounts and posted accounts than specifics. I hadn't thought of moving the archive to a different server but that is a good idea. This database is primitive compared to the modern systems and even though this functionality does exist (or exists now), it has all been hand-coded. In the near future, I would like to move the whole POS to the web...almost have the owners convinced but will have to provide proof of concept, guarantee absolute security and acceptable performance (perhaps the most difficult as a POS must be blazingly fast or instantaneous). Your comment of moving the old data to a static database is definitely a good idea. Aside: The new system will be all browser based; lots of JSON files, JavaScript and then touch screens capability(?). That is why I am trying to get up to speed in InginX and Node.js and get away from OS and Server (Cloud?) dependency...and then there is the BE database but that is a big question mark. To be able to re-market a product is the long-term vision. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 11:47 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] database The first question I'd ask, and doubtless you did, is, "How frequently will the old data ever be needed?" And the follow-up, "How far back?" Presumably the answer is a gradient, something like "the past five years, once a month; the previous five years before that, once a quarter or year; and the rest once in a blue moon." My reasoning is this. I'd prefer (SQL licensing and version permitting) to partition the tables across several hard disks, leaving only the past 5 years or so immediately accessible, and hitting the remote hard disks and partitions only occasionally. This would sidestep the need for any additional code or restore-procedures, etc. IIRC, this capability is available only in the more expensive licensing agreements and versions, which is why I asked about those. Another take on this, with similar perspective, is based on the simple notion that there is a "contemporary" window, beyond which data will never change. That suggests a possible move of all that old data into an Analysis Services database, which would be de-normalized and with all its counts and sums all available in pre-calculated form. That would require some serious space, but on the other hand, what in this business is cheaper than disk space? Arthur From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sat Jan 26 15:09:52 2013 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 16:09:52 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] database In-Reply-To: <9C13FE4A8D564595983356650C351BAB@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <917EDF09289D4F7EBB7E07BB3B4C715B@HAL9007> <6F74D3D777C540EB838E152A05C71FF8@creativesystemdesigns.com> <009e01cdfbfb$f2fca8a0$d8f5f9e0$@winhaven.net> <9C13FE4A8D564595983356650C351BAB@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: Jim, Given that it's a POS system, then I would want to distinguish its two primary functions: data-entry and data-accumulation (for want of a better term). That in turn suggests a pair of identical-looking databases, one dedicated to each purpose. Given that performance is the priority in the data-entry aspect of a POS system, there's almost no reason to lug about a lot of data. Transactions could be recorded into an almost-empty database (save the lookup tables, which obviously would not be empty, but also would seldom be updated). Then some sort of replication process would copy yesterday's sales to the larger database, against which almost all reports would be executed. This could even be a three-stage process, a db for Today's Sales, This Month's Sales, and everything older. A. From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Sat Jan 26 16:06:19 2013 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 08:06:19 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] database In-Reply-To: References: <917EDF09289D4F7EBB7E07BB3B4C715B@HAL9007>, <009e01cdfbfb$f2fca8a0$d8f5f9e0$@winhaven.net>, Message-ID: <5104535B.14787.4188489B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> I'm sorrry, but I just can't help it. Every time I see POS, the first thing I think of is a rude derogatory term for something which is very badly designed/built. I'm sure you know the expression I mean :-) It's only on reflection that I interpret it correctly. -- Stuart On 26 Jan 2013 at 11:57, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Hi John: > > Right on; definitely the royal-jelly of tech work. > > My specialty is POS design and this database is one hundred percent mine, > over twenty years of work, so I can blame no one else if everything does not > work a hundred percent, every time. :-) > > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow > Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 11:33 AM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] database > > This is the stuff I love to do! > > But I will not fog the waters for you. > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence > Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 12:45 PM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] database > > Those were my initial thoughts but then there would be issues with inventory > and the related accounting. > > Then there is the issues with whether a client ever had an unpaid invoice, a > bankruptcy or even association issues that will a have to be rolled forward > and records will still have to be flagged and situations noted. There is > also the thresholds that may establish a client, supplier or even staff as > "rated highly", "to watch" or "do not do business with" as incidents before > the five year cut-off must be carried forward. > > Some inventory has been active for twenty years while other items not... > Then there is the accounting, security and transaction files. Then there are > the issues of how much should be carried forward, in summary files... The > clients still wants to be able to chart activity even though it may have > been rolled up to five years...setting averages, viewing trends, > inventory/equipment quality, and so on. > > Then there has been a lot of bad practices, especially in the accounting > where a series of book-keepers were suppose to manage things...now the > company has a real Chartered Accountant...a breathe of fresh air. > > As you are an expert at business practices any thoughts and cautions would > be appreciated? > > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin > Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 10:18 AM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] database > > Modifying the relationships to cascade delete? > > Rocky > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence > Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 10:02 AM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: [dba-Tech] database > > Today and tomorrow I will be working on a huge database. > > It has records going back to the late eighties and the client wants the > whole system cleared except for the last five years. Clearing data is not > difficult but leaving no orphaned records is. There are over a hundred > inter-related tables and I have been planning this with the client for a > couple of months and today is the day (the company's year-end). > > Has any one else had similar experiences and any insights, recommendations > and so on? > > Jim > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From john at winhaven.net Sat Jan 26 16:18:26 2013 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 16:18:26 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] database In-Reply-To: References: <917EDF09289D4F7EBB7E07BB3B4C715B@HAL9007> <6F74D3D777C540EB838E152A05C71FF8@creativesystemdesigns.com> <009e01cdfbfb$f2fca8a0$d8f5f9e0$@winhaven.net> <9C13FE4A8D564595983356650C351BAB@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <00bf01cdfc13$100147f0$3003d7d0$@winhaven.net> Good suggestion -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 3:10 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] database Jim, Given that it's a POS system, then I would want to distinguish its two primary functions: data-entry and data-accumulation (for want of a better term). That in turn suggests a pair of identical-looking databases, one dedicated to each purpose. Given that performance is the priority in the data-entry aspect of a POS system, there's almost no reason to lug about a lot of data. Transactions could be recorded into an almost-empty database (save the lookup tables, which obviously would not be empty, but also would seldom be updated). Then some sort of replication process would copy yesterday's sales to the larger database, against which almost all reports would be executed. This could even be a three-stage process, a db for Today's Sales, This Month's Sales, and everything older. A. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Sat Jan 26 16:40:43 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 14:40:43 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] database In-Reply-To: References: <917EDF09289D4F7EBB7E07BB3B4C715B@HAL9007><6F74D3D777C540EB838E152A05C71FF8@creativesystemdesigns.com><009e01cdfbfb$f2fca8a0$d8f5f9e0$@winhaven.net><9C13FE4A8D564595983356650C351BAB@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: How intuitive. You have obviously done this before. That is exactly what is happening now. Lookup tables for customers and inventory are the feeder tables and the rest is batched through back ground processes. Real-time accounting is a little more tricky but a temp record is created and any changes saved as the client moves from invoice to invoice. After a few minutes of inactive the station starts a re-balancing process...posting and retrieving. Even the invoice printing is optimized as the invoice layout is pushed into memory and then printed directly to the hardware. It takes a few seconds for an invoice transaction to ripple across the network. Only active invoices are local and all posted and completed records are moved to backup "posted" tables. Right now there is only a two stage process but today the third stage will be tested...the five-years, moving window through the over-night transactions. Because the application is not tightly integrated there is always the chance of data corruption and so a number of copies of data are CRCed and validated at various intervals. If corrupt data is discovered, the data is retrieved and the affected tables refreshed from the latest good-copy. This all goes on in the back-ground and the users are never aware...but I automatically receive an over-night email listing all suspect and real errors and therefore can, mostly resolve serious issues before the stores open in the morning. The process obviously works as I have only lost three invoices in over twenty years...caused by errors I believe I would catch today. This whole system was created before more and more powerful hardware was used to compensate for bad programming and therefore its foot-print is very small. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 1:10 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] database Jim, Given that it's a POS system, then I would want to distinguish its two primary functions: data-entry and data-accumulation (for want of a better term). That in turn suggests a pair of identical-looking databases, one dedicated to each purpose. Given that performance is the priority in the data-entry aspect of a POS system, there's almost no reason to lug about a lot of data. Transactions could be recorded into an almost-empty database (save the lookup tables, which obviously would not be empty, but also would seldom be updated). Then some sort of replication process would copy yesterday's sales to the larger database, against which almost all reports would be executed. This could even be a three-stage process, a db for Today's Sales, This Month's Sales, and everything older. A. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Sat Jan 26 16:41:57 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 14:41:57 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] database In-Reply-To: <5104535B.14787.4188489B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <917EDF09289D4F7EBB7E07BB3B4C715B@HAL9007>, <009e01cdfbfb$f2fca8a0$d8f5f9e0$@winhaven.net>, <5104535B.14787.4188489B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: Ah I see. On bad days I share that translation. ;-) Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 2:06 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] database I'm sorrry, but I just can't help it. Every time I see POS, the first thing I think of is a rude derogatory term for something which is very badly designed/built. I'm sure you know the expression I mean :-) It's only on reflection that I interpret it correctly. -- Stuart On 26 Jan 2013 at 11:57, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Hi John: > > Right on; definitely the royal-jelly of tech work. > > My specialty is POS design and this database is one hundred percent mine, > over twenty years of work, so I can blame no one else if everything does not > work a hundred percent, every time. :-) > > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow > Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 11:33 AM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] database > > This is the stuff I love to do! > > But I will not fog the waters for you. > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence > Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 12:45 PM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] database > > Those were my initial thoughts but then there would be issues with inventory > and the related accounting. > > Then there is the issues with whether a client ever had an unpaid invoice, a > bankruptcy or even association issues that will a have to be rolled forward > and records will still have to be flagged and situations noted. There is > also the thresholds that may establish a client, supplier or even staff as > "rated highly", "to watch" or "do not do business with" as incidents before > the five year cut-off must be carried forward. > > Some inventory has been active for twenty years while other items not... > Then there is the accounting, security and transaction files. Then there are > the issues of how much should be carried forward, in summary files... The > clients still wants to be able to chart activity even though it may have > been rolled up to five years...setting averages, viewing trends, > inventory/equipment quality, and so on. > > Then there has been a lot of bad practices, especially in the accounting > where a series of book-keepers were suppose to manage things...now the > company has a real Chartered Accountant...a breathe of fresh air. > > As you are an expert at business practices any thoughts and cautions would > be appreciated? > > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin > Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 10:18 AM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] database > > Modifying the relationships to cascade delete? > > Rocky > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence > Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 10:02 AM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: [dba-Tech] database > > Today and tomorrow I will be working on a huge database. > > It has records going back to the late eighties and the client wants the > whole system cleared except for the last five years. Clearing data is not > difficult but leaving no orphaned records is. There are over a hundred > inter-related tables and I have been planning this with the client for a > couple of months and today is the day (the company's year-end). > > Has any one else had similar experiences and any insights, recommendations > and so on? > > Jim > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From hans.andersen at phulse.com Sat Jan 26 18:15:18 2013 From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 16:15:18 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] database In-Reply-To: <3632849902EB4656BD62B0A2238D3762@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <3632849902EB4656BD62B0A2238D3762@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: Does this database have constraints in any shape or form? If the database is capable of constraints (most modern databases do, but older ones, I feign ignorance) and it was implemented properly, it makes life a heck of a lot easier, since you can a quick overview of the relationships between different tables - thus making your life easier. - Hans On 2013-01-26, at 11:28 AM, "Jim Lawrence" wrote: > Hi Gustav: > > I do have incredible confidence in you guys. > > It never hurts to be a little overly cautious with these sort of events and > who knows, there may be a obvious "got-ya" that I have over-looked. > > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock > Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 10:50 AM > To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] database > > Hi Jim > > I must say you have great confidence in us. After a couple of months' > planning you ask for good advice within the hour! > > That said, and as already mentioned, I would certainly look for setting > cascade deletes. > > /gustav > >>>> accessd at shaw.ca 26-01-13 19:02 >>> > Today and tomorrow I will be working on a huge database. > > It has records going back to the late eighties and the client wants the > whole system cleared except for the last five years. Clearing data is not > difficult but leaving no orphaned records is. There are over a hundred > inter-related tables and I have been planning this with the client for a > couple of months and today is the day (the company's year-end). > > Has any one else had similar experiences and any insights, recommendations > and so on? > > Jim > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Sat Jan 26 18:40:13 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 16:40:13 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] database In-Reply-To: References: <3632849902EB4656BD62B0A2238D3762@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: Constraints? What's a constraint? ;-) What's all that fancty talk...this database is over twenty years old, there was no Oracle, Linux, MySQL etc etc... Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hans-Christian Andersen Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 4:15 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] database Does this database have constraints in any shape or form? If the database is capable of constraints (most modern databases do, but older ones, I feign ignorance) and it was implemented properly, it makes life a heck of a lot easier, since you can a quick overview of the relationships between different tables - thus making your life easier. - Hans On 2013-01-26, at 11:28 AM, "Jim Lawrence" wrote: > Hi Gustav: > > I do have incredible confidence in you guys. > > It never hurts to be a little overly cautious with these sort of events and > who knows, there may be a obvious "got-ya" that I have over-looked. > > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock > Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 10:50 AM > To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] database > > Hi Jim > > I must say you have great confidence in us. After a couple of months' > planning you ask for good advice within the hour! > > That said, and as already mentioned, I would certainly look for setting > cascade deletes. > > /gustav > >>>> accessd at shaw.ca 26-01-13 19:02 >>> > Today and tomorrow I will be working on a huge database. > > It has records going back to the late eighties and the client wants the > whole system cleared except for the last five years. Clearing data is not > difficult but leaving no orphaned records is. There are over a hundred > inter-related tables and I have been planning this with the client for a > couple of months and today is the day (the company's year-end). > > Has any one else had similar experiences and any insights, recommendations > and so on? > > Jim > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From hans.andersen at phulse.com Sat Jan 26 18:44:03 2013 From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 16:44:03 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] database In-Reply-To: References: <3632849902EB4656BD62B0A2238D3762@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: Ha! (oh dear...) Can't help you there. Sorry. - Hans On 2013-01-26, at 4:40 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Constraints? What's a constraint? ;-) > > What's all that fancty talk...this database is over twenty years old, there > was no Oracle, Linux, MySQL etc etc... > > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hans-Christian > Andersen > Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 4:15 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] database > > > Does this database have constraints in any shape or form? If the database is > capable of constraints (most modern databases do, but older ones, I feign > ignorance) and it was implemented properly, it makes life a heck of a lot > easier, since you can a quick overview of the relationships between > different tables - thus making your life easier. > > - Hans > > > On 2013-01-26, at 11:28 AM, "Jim Lawrence" wrote: > >> Hi Gustav: >> >> I do have incredible confidence in you guys. >> >> It never hurts to be a little overly cautious with these sort of events > and >> who knows, there may be a obvious "got-ya" that I have over-looked. >> >> Jim >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock >> Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 10:50 AM >> To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com >> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] database >> >> Hi Jim >> >> I must say you have great confidence in us. After a couple of months' >> planning you ask for good advice within the hour! >> >> That said, and as already mentioned, I would certainly look for setting >> cascade deletes. >> >> /gustav >> >>>>> accessd at shaw.ca 26-01-13 19:02 >>> >> Today and tomorrow I will be working on a huge database. >> >> It has records going back to the late eighties and the client wants the >> whole system cleared except for the last five years. Clearing data is not >> difficult but leaving no orphaned records is. There are over a hundred >> inter-related tables and I have been planning this with the client for a >> couple of months and today is the day (the company's year-end). >> >> Has any one else had similar experiences and any insights, recommendations >> and so on? >> >> Jim >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Sat Jan 26 19:04:53 2013 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 17:04:53 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Pygmalion In-Reply-To: <66760D4A7A7A498894CF8817F517B751@HAL9007> References: <917EDF09289D4F7EBB7E07BB3B4C715B@HAL9007><1359221157.513842764@f27.mail.ru> <66760D4A7A7A498894CF8817F517B751@HAL9007> Message-ID: Well that was meant for OT. I think I'm getting senile. R -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov Shamil Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 9:26 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Pygmalion Thank you, Rocky. And I liked "My Fair Lady" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Fair_Lady_(film ) when I was ten years old AFAICR (IISCRP). There was also here a very good Russian (Soviet) film "Pygmalion": http://www.kino-teatr.ru/teatr/movie/8787/annot/ I have never seen this one "? PYGMALION (1938)" - ? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmdPj_XbF30 ?- I will try to watch it over this weekend and I will try to get my son to watch it too. -- Shamil ???????, 26 ?????? 2013, 8:11 -08:00 ?? "Rocky Smolin" : >We went to see a staging of Shaw's Pygmalion last night - its the >centennial of the play. Shaw's always entertaining. Higgins was >played by Robert Sean Leonard - better known as Wilson in House. But >it was a bit distracting to watch as the dialog led into so many great >songs from the musical and Rex Harrison is for me the definitive Higgins. >? >So we came home and you tubed some of the tunes, then more of them. >I'd forgotten how many great tunes there were in that show. Look at >this list: >? >http://musicals.net/cgi-bin/songlist?sn=57 >< http://musicals.net/cgi-bin/songlist?sn=57&show=My+Fair+Lady > >&show=My+Fair+Lady >? >When I was a kid we had the 33 rpm album and my sister loved it. So I >got to hear it a lot. Along with a lot of other musicals - she was big >on that. >I didn't care much for them at the time, but they stuck in my head like >music will and now I love the songs - South Pacific, West Side Story, >Carousel, Oklahoma, Paint Your Wagon. That's uniquely American music. >? >I've Grown Accustomed To Her Face has become a pretty popular jazz >standard >- we play it in the trio. Wish I could sing it. >? >Coincidentally, we went to another play a couple of weeks ago - invited >to a dress rehearsal at the North Coast Rep - with the same theme: >Educating Rita. It was a movie a few years back. Professor transforms >a working class woman into an intellectual and she eventually moves off without him. >The Pygmalion story but without Pygmalion's moral question >? >That's my a.m. ramble. >? >R >? >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From mcp2004 at mail.ru Sat Jan 26 19:19:35 2013 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 05:19:35 +0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?database?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1359249575.662185501@f385.i.mail.ru> Hi Jim -- <<< ?there?was no Oracle, Linux, MySQL etc etc... >>> But Oracle was available already - twenty years ago - in January 1993: - Oracle -? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oracle_Database as well as: - dBase -? http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/DBase - R:Base -? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R:Base - Paradox -? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_(database ) - MS Access -? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Access - dbVista (Raima Data Manager) -? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raima - ... Have you used file system "database" that "ancient" times to get your POS software to fit into memory?? Are you still keeping (some of) your POS application system production and history data out of a database? Thank you. -- Shamil ???????, 26 ?????? 2013, 16:40 -08:00 ?? "Jim Lawrence" : >Constraints? What's a constraint? ;-) > >What's all that fancty talk...this database is over twenty years old, there >was no Oracle, Linux, MySQL etc etc... > >Jim > >-----Original Message----- >From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hans-Christian >Andersen >Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 4:15 PM >To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues >Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] database > > >Does this database have constraints in any shape or form? If the database is >capable of constraints (most modern databases do, but older ones, I feign >ignorance) and it was implemented properly, it makes life a heck of a lot >easier, since you can a quick overview of the relationships between >different tables - thus making your life easier. > >- Hans > > >On 2013-01-26, at 11:28 AM, "Jim Lawrence" < accessd at shaw.ca > wrote: > >> Hi Gustav: >> >> I do have incredible confidence in you guys. >> >> It never hurts to be a little overly cautious with these sort of events >and >> who knows, there may be a obvious "got-ya" that I have over-looked. >> >> Jim >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock >> Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 10:50 AM >> To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com >> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] database >> >> Hi Jim >> >> I must say you have great confidence in us. After a couple of months' >> planning you ask for good advice within the hour! >> >> That said, and as already mentioned, I would certainly look for setting >> cascade deletes. >> >> /gustav <<< skipped >>> > From mcp2004 at mail.ru Sat Jan 26 19:22:43 2013 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 05:22:43 +0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?Pygmalion?= In-Reply-To: References: <917EDF09289D4F7EBB7E07BB3B4C715B@HAL9007> <66760D4A7A7A498894CF8817F517B751@HAL9007> Message-ID: <1359249763.142481653@f385.i.mail.ru> No, problem for me, Rocky - I have just finished watching - PYGMALION (1938) -?( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmdPj_XbF30 ) (it's 5 a.m. here) - and I liked it a lot. -- Shamil ???????, 26 ?????? 2013, 17:04 -08:00 ?? "Rocky Smolin" : >Well that was meant for OT. I think I'm getting senile. > >R > >-----Original Message----- >From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov >Shamil >Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 9:26 AM >To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues >Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Pygmalion > >?Thank you, Rocky. > >And I liked "My Fair Lady" > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Fair_Lady_ (film ) > >when I was ten years old AFAICR (IISCRP). > >There was also here a very good Russian (Soviet) film "Pygmalion": >http://www.kino-teatr.ru/teatr/movie/8787/annot/ > >I have never seen this one "? PYGMALION (1938)" >- ? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmdPj_XbF30 ?- I will try to watch it >over this weekend and I will try to get my son to watch it too. > >-- Shamil > > >???????, 26 ?????? 2013, 8:11 -08:00 ?? "Rocky Smolin" >< rockysmolin at bchacc.com >: >>We went to see a staging of Shaw's Pygmalion last night - its the >>centennial of the play. Shaw's always entertaining. Higgins was >>played by Robert Sean Leonard - better known as Wilson in House. But >>it was a bit distracting to watch as the dialog led into so many great >>songs from the musical and Rex Harrison is for me the definitive Higgins. >>? >>So we came home and you tubed some of the tunes, then more of them. >>I'd forgotten how many great tunes there were in that show. Look at >>this >list: >>? >> http://musicals.net/cgi-bin/songlist?sn=57 >>< http://musicals.net/cgi-bin/songlist?sn=57&show=My+Fair+Lady > >>&show=My+Fair+Lady >>? >>When I was a kid we had the 33 rpm album and my sister loved it. So I >>got to hear it a lot. Along with a lot of other musicals - she was big >>on >that. >>I didn't care much for them at the time, but they stuck in my head like >>music will and now I love the songs - South Pacific, West Side Story, >>Carousel, Oklahoma, Paint Your Wagon. That's uniquely American music. >>? >>I've Grown Accustomed To Her Face has become a pretty popular jazz >>standard >>- we play it in the trio. Wish I could sing it. >>? >>Coincidentally, we went to another play a couple of weeks ago - invited >>to a dress rehearsal at the North Coast Rep - with the same theme: >>Educating Rita. It was a movie a few years back. Professor transforms >>a working class woman into an intellectual and she eventually moves off >without him. >>The Pygmalion story but without Pygmalion's moral question >>? >>That's my a.m. ramble. >>? >>R From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Sat Jan 26 19:54:25 2013 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 17:54:25 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Pygmalion In-Reply-To: <1359249763.142481653@f385.i.mail.ru> References: <917EDF09289D4F7EBB7E07BB3B4C715B@HAL9007><66760D4A7A7A498894CF8817F517B751@HAL9007> <1359249763.142481653@f385.i.mail.ru> Message-ID: Shaw's a very funny guy. R -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov Shamil Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 5:23 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Pygmalion No, problem for me, Rocky - I have just finished watching - PYGMALION (1938) -?( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmdPj_XbF30 ) (it's 5 a.m. here) - and I liked it a lot. -- Shamil ???????, 26 ?????? 2013, 17:04 -08:00 ?? "Rocky Smolin" : >Well that was meant for OT. I think I'm getting senile. > >R > >-----Original Message----- >From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of >Salakhetdinov Shamil >Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 9:26 AM >To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues >Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Pygmalion > >?Thank you, Rocky. > >And I liked "My Fair Lady" > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Fair_Lady_ (film ) > >when I was ten years old AFAICR (IISCRP). > >There was also here a very good Russian (Soviet) film "Pygmalion": >http://www.kino-teatr.ru/teatr/movie/8787/annot/ > >I have never seen this one "? PYGMALION (1938)" >- ? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmdPj_XbF30 ?- I will try to watch >it over this weekend and I will try to get my son to watch it too. > >-- Shamil > > >???????, 26 ?????? 2013, 8:11 -08:00 ?? "Rocky Smolin" >< rockysmolin at bchacc.com >: >>We went to see a staging of Shaw's Pygmalion last night - its the >>centennial of the play. Shaw's always entertaining. Higgins was >>played by Robert Sean Leonard - better known as Wilson in House. But >>it was a bit distracting to watch as the dialog led into so many great >>songs from the musical and Rex Harrison is for me the definitive Higgins. >>? >>So we came home and you tubed some of the tunes, then more of them. >>I'd forgotten how many great tunes there were in that show. Look at >>this >list: >>? >> http://musicals.net/cgi-bin/songlist?sn=57 >>< http://musicals.net/cgi-bin/songlist?sn=57&show=My+Fair+Lady > >>&show=My+Fair+Lady >>? >>When I was a kid we had the 33 rpm album and my sister loved it. So I >>got to hear it a lot. Along with a lot of other musicals - she was >>big on >that. >>I didn't care much for them at the time, but they stuck in my head >>like music will and now I love the songs - South Pacific, West Side >>Story, Carousel, Oklahoma, Paint Your Wagon. That's uniquely American music. >>? >>I've Grown Accustomed To Her Face has become a pretty popular jazz >>standard >>- we play it in the trio. Wish I could sing it. >>? >>Coincidentally, we went to another play a couple of weeks ago - >>invited to a dress rehearsal at the North Coast Rep - with the same theme: >>Educating Rita. It was a movie a few years back. Professor >>transforms a working class woman into an intellectual and she >>eventually moves off >without him. >>The Pygmalion story but without Pygmalion's moral question >>? >>That's my a.m. ramble. >>? >>R _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Sat Jan 26 20:25:12 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 18:25:12 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Pygmalion In-Reply-To: References: <917EDF09289D4F7EBB7E07BB3B4C715B@HAL9007><1359221157.513842764@f27.mail.ru><66760D4A7A7A498894CF8817F517B751@HAL9007> Message-ID: <9D2916F7F54E49EE80B8F988A1BEEA31@creativesystemdesigns.com> Trying to get some practice in before that sixty-fifth birthday? ;-) Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 5:05 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Pygmalion Well that was meant for OT. I think I'm getting senile. R -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov Shamil Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 9:26 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Pygmalion Thank you, Rocky. And I liked "My Fair Lady" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Fair_Lady_(film ) when I was ten years old AFAICR (IISCRP). There was also here a very good Russian (Soviet) film "Pygmalion": http://www.kino-teatr.ru/teatr/movie/8787/annot/ I have never seen this one "? PYGMALION (1938)" - ? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmdPj_XbF30 ?- I will try to watch it over this weekend and I will try to get my son to watch it too. -- Shamil ???????, 26 ?????? 2013, 8:11 -08:00 ?? "Rocky Smolin" : >We went to see a staging of Shaw's Pygmalion last night - its the >centennial of the play. Shaw's always entertaining. Higgins was >played by Robert Sean Leonard - better known as Wilson in House. But >it was a bit distracting to watch as the dialog led into so many great >songs from the musical and Rex Harrison is for me the definitive Higgins. >? >So we came home and you tubed some of the tunes, then more of them. >I'd forgotten how many great tunes there were in that show. Look at >this list: >? >http://musicals.net/cgi-bin/songlist?sn=57 >< http://musicals.net/cgi-bin/songlist?sn=57&show=My+Fair+Lady > >&show=My+Fair+Lady >? >When I was a kid we had the 33 rpm album and my sister loved it. So I >got to hear it a lot. Along with a lot of other musicals - she was big >on that. >I didn't care much for them at the time, but they stuck in my head like >music will and now I love the songs - South Pacific, West Side Story, >Carousel, Oklahoma, Paint Your Wagon. That's uniquely American music. >? >I've Grown Accustomed To Her Face has become a pretty popular jazz >standard >- we play it in the trio. Wish I could sing it. >? >Coincidentally, we went to another play a couple of weeks ago - invited >to a dress rehearsal at the North Coast Rep - with the same theme: >Educating Rita. It was a movie a few years back. Professor transforms >a working class woman into an intellectual and she eventually moves off without him. >The Pygmalion story but without Pygmalion's moral question >? >That's my a.m. ramble. >? >R >? >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Sat Jan 26 22:46:02 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 20:46:02 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] database In-Reply-To: <1359249575.662185501@f385.i.mail.ru> References: <1359249575.662185501@f385.i.mail.ru> Message-ID: Hi Shamil: This database had it beginning in 1989. Oracle was hardly noted in 1993 (but I did get a free copy), MS Access was just a toy until 1997 (Took a full two week training course in MS Access (version 2) in 1993(?) fully paid for by Microsoft), R:Base was excellent but it needed virtually a server to run on or maybe a main-frame, Paradox, one of the first real desktop databases but not very multi-user friendly, then the whole Dbase series...only DBaseIII was good...did a lot of work on this package and its various offspring; clipper and Foxbase (and FoxPro). Foxbase was the first real database, fast and multi-user. Before that I was building applications, in AcuCobol/Basic/Fortran on top of Btrieve...fully multi-user when running on a Novell LAN network (also ran on UNIX and Xenix). Then there was Smartware (1984), the first full office suite, that was also fully programmable...even had a full modem and terminal communications package. Other incredible databases that somehow pasted under the radar were Clarion, very eloquent in design, would compile almost to assembler and SuperBase, one of the fastest databases ever built...but it needed to remap the hard-drive. There were a number of other databases but the names escape me for now. The database in question was initially built in Informix on SCO UNIX/Xenix. If there had been OSS Linux at the time, I would have never moved the product to Windows. The windows version was a cross between Angoss, a derivative of Smartware and Informix. Very fast and very reliable and I have a full unlimited license as the IBM bought up Informix and the Windows software division closed down. Minis and Mainframes (VAX) came before, the first age and Windows and Oracle databases came after, the third age...and now the fourth age is is the Internet. As you can see, I have a long and very messy history in databases Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov Shamil Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 5:20 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] database Hi Jim -- <<< ?there?was no Oracle, Linux, MySQL etc etc... >>> But Oracle was available already - twenty years ago - in January 1993: - Oracle -? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oracle_Database as well as: - dBase -? http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/DBase - R:Base -? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R:Base - Paradox -? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_(database ) - MS Access -? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Access - dbVista (Raima Data Manager) -? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raima - ... Have you used file system "database" that "ancient" times to get your POS software to fit into memory?? Are you still keeping (some of) your POS application system production and history data out of a database? Thank you. -- Shamil ???????, 26 ?????? 2013, 16:40 -08:00 ?? "Jim Lawrence" : >Constraints? What's a constraint? ;-) > >What's all that fancty talk...this database is over twenty years old, there >was no Oracle, Linux, MySQL etc etc... > >Jim > >-----Original Message----- >From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hans-Christian >Andersen >Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 4:15 PM >To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues >Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] database > > >Does this database have constraints in any shape or form? If the database is >capable of constraints (most modern databases do, but older ones, I feign >ignorance) and it was implemented properly, it makes life a heck of a lot >easier, since you can a quick overview of the relationships between >different tables - thus making your life easier. > >- Hans > > >On 2013-01-26, at 11:28 AM, "Jim Lawrence" < accessd at shaw.ca > wrote: > >> Hi Gustav: >> >> I do have incredible confidence in you guys. >> >> It never hurts to be a little overly cautious with these sort of events >and >> who knows, there may be a obvious "got-ya" that I have over-looked. >> >> Jim >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock >> Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 10:50 AM >> To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com >> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] database >> >> Hi Jim >> >> I must say you have great confidence in us. After a couple of months' >> planning you ask for good advice within the hour! >> >> That said, and as already mentioned, I would certainly look for setting >> cascade deletes. >> >> /gustav <<< skipped >>> > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sat Jan 26 23:05:12 2013 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 00:05:12 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] database In-Reply-To: References: <1359249575.662185501@f385.i.mail.ru> Message-ID: Shamil, You left out Knowledgeman. When I interviewed Wayne Ratliff for Data-Based Advisor magazine, he remarked that when Knowledgeman was released, he thought it was over for dBASE. But the Ashton-Tate marketing machine (and Hal Pollock's ad of genius, the Bilge-pump one) proved Wayne wrong. Arthur From john at winhaven.net Sat Jan 26 23:37:39 2013 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 23:37:39 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] database In-Reply-To: References: <1359249575.662185501@f385.i.mail.ru> Message-ID: <00fa01cdfc50$6b5b4820$4211d860$@winhaven.net> Uhg, this working in vb and php at the same time is addling my brain. I spent a few minutes trying to locate and endif! -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 11:05 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] database Shamil, You left out Knowledgeman. When I interviewed Wayne Ratliff for Data-Based Advisor magazine, he remarked that when Knowledgeman was released, he thought it was over for dBASE. But the Ashton-Tate marketing machine (and Hal Pollock's ad of genius, the Bilge-pump one) proved Wayne wrong. Arthur _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Sat Jan 26 23:49:13 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 21:49:13 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] database In-Reply-To: <00fa01cdfc50$6b5b4820$4211d860$@winhaven.net> References: <1359249575.662185501@f385.i.mail.ru> <00fa01cdfc50$6b5b4820$4211d860$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: Hi John: Or just throw in a semicolon. If you need any help with PHP, Hans is a Guru. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 9:38 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] database Uhg, this working in vb and php at the same time is addling my brain. I spent a few minutes trying to locate and endif! -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 11:05 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] database Shamil, You left out Knowledgeman. When I interviewed Wayne Ratliff for Data-Based Advisor magazine, he remarked that when Knowledgeman was released, he thought it was over for dBASE. But the Ashton-Tate marketing machine (and Hal Pollock's ad of genius, the Bilge-pump one) proved Wayne wrong. Arthur _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From kathryn at bassett.net Sat Jan 26 23:54:40 2013 From: kathryn at bassett.net (Kathryn Bassett) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 21:54:40 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Credit card reader In-Reply-To: References: <917EDF09289D4F7EBB7E07BB3B4C715B@HAL9007><6F74D3D777C540EB838E152A05C71FF8@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: No experience, but when my friend gets to the point she has a smartphone instead of the regular she has now, we will probably go with https://squareup.com Kathryn > -----Original Message----- > On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence > Does anyone have experience with the following type of devices, on > Smartphones and Tablets? A client has been asking. > > http://www.northpay.ca/merchant-account/m-commerce > > Jim From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Sun Jan 27 00:24:12 2013 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 16:24:12 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] database In-Reply-To: References: , <1359249575.662185501@f385.i.mail.ru>, Message-ID: <5104C80C.14840.43501CA5@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> 1989? You should have built it in Dataflex :-) On 26 Jan 2013 at 20:46, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Hi Shamil: > > This database had it beginning in 1989. > > Oracle was hardly noted in 1993 (but I did get a free copy), MS Access was > just a toy until 1997 (Took a full two week training course in MS Access > (version 2) in 1993(?) fully paid for by Microsoft), R:Base was excellent > but it needed virtually a server to run on or maybe a main-frame, Paradox, > one of the first real desktop databases but not very multi-user friendly, > then the whole Dbase series...only DBaseIII was good...did a lot of work on > this package and its various offspring; clipper and Foxbase (and FoxPro). > > Foxbase was the first real database, fast and multi-user. Before that I was > building applications, in AcuCobol/Basic/Fortran on top of Btrieve...fully > multi-user when running on a Novell LAN network (also ran on UNIX and > Xenix). Then there was Smartware (1984), the first full office suite, that > was also fully programmable...even had a full modem and terminal > communications package. Other incredible databases that somehow pasted under > the radar were Clarion, very eloquent in design, would compile almost to > assembler and SuperBase, one of the fastest databases ever built...but it > needed to remap the hard-drive. There were a number of other databases but > the names escape me for now. > > The database in question was initially built in Informix on SCO UNIX/Xenix. > If there had been OSS Linux at the time, I would have never moved the > product to Windows. The windows version was a cross between Angoss, a > derivative of Smartware and Informix. Very fast and very reliable and I have > a full unlimited license as the IBM bought up Informix and the Windows > software division closed down. > > Minis and Mainframes (VAX) came before, the first age and Windows and Oracle > databases came after, the third age...and now the fourth age is is the > Internet. As you can see, I have a long and very messy history in databases > > > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov > Shamil > Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 5:20 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] database > > Hi Jim -- > > <<< > ?there?was no Oracle, Linux, MySQL etc etc... > >>> > But Oracle was available already - twenty years ago - in January 1993: > > - Oracle -? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oracle_Database > > as well as: > > - dBase -? http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/DBase > - R:Base -? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R:Base > - Paradox -? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_(database ) > - MS Access -? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Access > - dbVista (Raima Data Manager) -? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raima > - ... > > Have you used file system "database" that "ancient" times to get your POS > software to fit into memory?? > Are you still keeping (some of) your POS application system production and > history data out of a database? > > Thank you. > > -- Shamil > > , 26 2013, 16:40 -08:00 "Jim Lawrence" : > >Constraints? What's a constraint? ;-) > > > >What's all that fancty talk...this database is over twenty years old, there > >was no Oracle, Linux, MySQL etc etc... > > > >Jim > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > >[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hans-Christian > >Andersen > >Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 4:15 PM > >To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > >Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] database > > > > > >Does this database have constraints in any shape or form? If the database > is > >capable of constraints (most modern databases do, but older ones, I feign > >ignorance) and it was implemented properly, it makes life a heck of a lot > >easier, since you can a quick overview of the relationships between > >different tables - thus making your life easier. > > > >- Hans > > > > > >On 2013-01-26, at 11:28 AM, "Jim Lawrence" < accessd at shaw.ca > wrote: > > > >> Hi Gustav: > >> > >> I do have incredible confidence in you guys. > >> > >> It never hurts to be a little overly cautious with these sort of events > >and > >> who knows, there may be a obvious "got-ya" that I have over-looked. > >> > >> Jim > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > >> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock > >> Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 10:50 AM > >> To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com > >> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] database > >> > >> Hi Jim > >> > >> I must say you have great confidence in us. After a couple of months' > >> planning you ask for good advice within the hour! > >> > >> That said, and as already mentioned, I would certainly look for setting > >> cascade deletes. > >> > >> /gustav > <<< skipped >>> > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Sun Jan 27 01:08:39 2013 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 23:08:39 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Pygmalion In-Reply-To: <9D2916F7F54E49EE80B8F988A1BEEA31@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <917EDF09289D4F7EBB7E07BB3B4C715B@HAL9007><1359221157.513842764@f27.mail.ru><66760D4A7A7A498894CF8817F517B751@HAL9007> <9D2916F7F54E49EE80B8F988A1BEEA31@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <3EEA1B480912468FAFC3726F86943FA0@HAL9007> Practice? Psh. I'm ready. R -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 6:25 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Pygmalion Trying to get some practice in before that sixty-fifth birthday? ;-) Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 5:05 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Pygmalion Well that was meant for OT. I think I'm getting senile. R -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov Shamil Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 9:26 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Pygmalion Thank you, Rocky. And I liked "My Fair Lady" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Fair_Lady_(film ) when I was ten years old AFAICR (IISCRP). There was also here a very good Russian (Soviet) film "Pygmalion": http://www.kino-teatr.ru/teatr/movie/8787/annot/ I have never seen this one "? PYGMALION (1938)" - ? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmdPj_XbF30 ?- I will try to watch it over this weekend and I will try to get my son to watch it too. -- Shamil ???????, 26 ?????? 2013, 8:11 -08:00 ?? "Rocky Smolin" : >We went to see a staging of Shaw's Pygmalion last night - its the >centennial of the play. Shaw's always entertaining. Higgins was >played by Robert Sean Leonard - better known as Wilson in House. But >it was a bit distracting to watch as the dialog led into so many great >songs from the musical and Rex Harrison is for me the definitive Higgins. >? >So we came home and you tubed some of the tunes, then more of them. >I'd forgotten how many great tunes there were in that show. Look at >this list: >? >http://musicals.net/cgi-bin/songlist?sn=57 >< http://musicals.net/cgi-bin/songlist?sn=57&show=My+Fair+Lady > >&show=My+Fair+Lady >? >When I was a kid we had the 33 rpm album and my sister loved it. So I >got to hear it a lot. Along with a lot of other musicals - she was big >on that. >I didn't care much for them at the time, but they stuck in my head like >music will and now I love the songs - South Pacific, West Side Story, >Carousel, Oklahoma, Paint Your Wagon. That's uniquely American music. >? >I've Grown Accustomed To Her Face has become a pretty popular jazz >standard >- we play it in the trio. Wish I could sing it. >? >Coincidentally, we went to another play a couple of weeks ago - invited >to a dress rehearsal at the North Coast Rep - with the same theme: >Educating Rita. It was a movie a few years back. Professor transforms >a working class woman into an intellectual and she eventually moves off without him. >The Pygmalion story but without Pygmalion's moral question >? >That's my a.m. ramble. >? >R >? >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Sun Jan 27 01:59:02 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 23:59:02 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] database In-Reply-To: <5104C80C.14840.43501CA5@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: , <1359249575.662185501@f385.i.mail.ru>, <5104C80C.14840.43501CA5@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <212611F818D9438ABCDE9A749B028B4E@creativesystemdesigns.com> That is one of the few databases that I never worked with. Did some reading up on it at the time but for some reason, probably that no contracts asked for it, never used it. What was it like to work with? Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 10:24 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] database 1989? You should have built it in Dataflex :-) On 26 Jan 2013 at 20:46, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Hi Shamil: > > This database had it beginning in 1989. > > Oracle was hardly noted in 1993 (but I did get a free copy), MS Access was > just a toy until 1997 (Took a full two week training course in MS Access > (version 2) in 1993(?) fully paid for by Microsoft), R:Base was excellent > but it needed virtually a server to run on or maybe a main-frame, Paradox, > one of the first real desktop databases but not very multi-user friendly, > then the whole Dbase series...only DBaseIII was good...did a lot of work on > this package and its various offspring; clipper and Foxbase (and FoxPro). > > Foxbase was the first real database, fast and multi-user. Before that I was > building applications, in AcuCobol/Basic/Fortran on top of Btrieve...fully > multi-user when running on a Novell LAN network (also ran on UNIX and > Xenix). Then there was Smartware (1984), the first full office suite, that > was also fully programmable...even had a full modem and terminal > communications package. Other incredible databases that somehow pasted under > the radar were Clarion, very eloquent in design, would compile almost to > assembler and SuperBase, one of the fastest databases ever built...but it > needed to remap the hard-drive. There were a number of other databases but > the names escape me for now. > > The database in question was initially built in Informix on SCO UNIX/Xenix. > If there had been OSS Linux at the time, I would have never moved the > product to Windows. The windows version was a cross between Angoss, a > derivative of Smartware and Informix. Very fast and very reliable and I have > a full unlimited license as the IBM bought up Informix and the Windows > software division closed down. > > Minis and Mainframes (VAX) came before, the first age and Windows and Oracle > databases came after, the third age...and now the fourth age is is the > Internet. As you can see, I have a long and very messy history in databases > > > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov > Shamil > Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 5:20 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] database > > Hi Jim -- > > <<< > ?there?was no Oracle, Linux, MySQL etc etc... > >>> > But Oracle was available already - twenty years ago - in January 1993: > > - Oracle -? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oracle_Database > > as well as: > > - dBase -? http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/DBase > - R:Base -? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R:Base > - Paradox -? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_(database ) > - MS Access -? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Access > - dbVista (Raima Data Manager) -? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raima > - ... > > Have you used file system "database" that "ancient" times to get your POS > software to fit into memory?? > Are you still keeping (some of) your POS application system production and > history data out of a database? > > Thank you. > > -- Shamil > > , 26 2013, 16:40 -08:00 "Jim Lawrence" : > >Constraints? What's a constraint? ;-) > > > >What's all that fancty talk...this database is over twenty years old, there > >was no Oracle, Linux, MySQL etc etc... > > > >Jim > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > >[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hans-Christian > >Andersen > >Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 4:15 PM > >To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > >Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] database > > > > > >Does this database have constraints in any shape or form? If the database > is > >capable of constraints (most modern databases do, but older ones, I feign > >ignorance) and it was implemented properly, it makes life a heck of a lot > >easier, since you can a quick overview of the relationships between > >different tables - thus making your life easier. > > > >- Hans > > > > > >On 2013-01-26, at 11:28 AM, "Jim Lawrence" < accessd at shaw.ca > wrote: > > > >> Hi Gustav: > >> > >> I do have incredible confidence in you guys. > >> > >> It never hurts to be a little overly cautious with these sort of events > >and > >> who knows, there may be a obvious "got-ya" that I have over-looked. > >> > >> Jim > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > >> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock > >> Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 10:50 AM > >> To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com > >> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] database > >> > >> Hi Jim > >> > >> I must say you have great confidence in us. After a couple of months' > >> planning you ask for good advice within the hour! > >> > >> That said, and as already mentioned, I would certainly look for setting > >> cascade deletes. > >> > >> /gustav > <<< skipped >>> > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Sun Jan 27 02:58:50 2013 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 18:58:50 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] database In-Reply-To: <212611F818D9438ABCDE9A749B028B4E@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: , <5104C80C.14840.43501CA5@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>, <212611F818D9438ABCDE9A749B028B4E@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <5104EC4A.32251.43DDAC3A@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> I really liked it. It was my primary development environment between 86 and 93. First on C/CPM then on DOS. I built some major systems in it including the system used to track all the material moved by SAT for the construction of the Kutubu oil pipleine (up to 15 x 20 ton C130 loads per day for 3 years - one of the biggest civilian airlifts in history). Then when they built the Lihir goldmine, I wrote Ver 2 to manage the movement of everything for the construction by barge from Lae to Lihir. I never got into the Windows version because I switched to Access in 93 (v1.1). But in it's day it was very powerful and great for RAD. It was like Access/VBA in some ways in that you could do a lot of heavy coding inside forms and reports. I was still occasionally writing mashups to suck data from DOS based Dataflex accounting systems into Access etc until about 10 years ago. -- Stuart On 26 Jan 2013 at 23:59, Jim Lawrence wrote: > That is one of the few databases that I never worked with. Did some reading > up on it at the time but for some reason, probably that no contracts asked > for it, never used it. > > What was it like to work with? > > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan > Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 10:24 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] database > > 1989? You should have built it in Dataflex :-) > > > On 26 Jan 2013 at 20:46, Jim Lawrence wrote: > > > Hi Shamil: > > > > This database had it beginning in 1989. > > > > Oracle was hardly noted in 1993 (but I did get a free copy), MS Access was > > just a toy until 1997 (Took a full two week training course in MS Access > > (version 2) in 1993(?) fully paid for by Microsoft), R:Base was excellent > > but it needed virtually a server to run on or maybe a main-frame, Paradox, > > one of the first real desktop databases but not very multi-user friendly, > > then the whole Dbase series...only DBaseIII was good...did a lot of work > on > > this package and its various offspring; clipper and Foxbase (and FoxPro). > > > > Foxbase was the first real database, fast and multi-user. Before that I > was > > building applications, in AcuCobol/Basic/Fortran on top of Btrieve...fully > > multi-user when running on a Novell LAN network (also ran on UNIX and > > Xenix). Then there was Smartware (1984), the first full office suite, that > > was also fully programmable...even had a full modem and terminal > > communications package. Other incredible databases that somehow pasted > under > > the radar were Clarion, very eloquent in design, would compile almost to > > assembler and SuperBase, one of the fastest databases ever built...but it > > needed to remap the hard-drive. There were a number of other databases but > > the names escape me for now. > > > > The database in question was initially built in Informix on SCO > UNIX/Xenix. > > If there had been OSS Linux at the time, I would have never moved the > > product to Windows. The windows version was a cross between Angoss, a > > derivative of Smartware and Informix. Very fast and very reliable and I > have > > a full unlimited license as the IBM bought up Informix and the Windows > > software division closed down. > > > > Minis and Mainframes (VAX) came before, the first age and Windows and > Oracle > > databases came after, the third age...and now the fourth age is is the > > Internet. As you can see, I have a long and very messy history in > databases > > > > > > Jim > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov > > Shamil > > Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 5:20 PM > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] database > > > > Hi Jim -- > > > > <<< > > ?there?was no Oracle, Linux, MySQL etc etc... > > >>> > > But Oracle was available already - twenty years ago - in January 1993: > > > > - Oracle -? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oracle_Database > > > > as well as: > > > > - dBase -? http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/DBase > > - R:Base -? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R:Base > > - Paradox -? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_(database ) > > - MS Access -? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Access > > - dbVista (Raima Data Manager) -? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raima > > - ... > > > > Have you used file system "database" that "ancient" times to get your POS > > software to fit into memory?? > > Are you still keeping (some of) your POS application system production and > > history data out of a database? > > > > Thank you. > > > > -- Shamil > > > > , 26 2013, 16:40 -08:00 "Jim Lawrence" : > > >Constraints? What's a constraint? ;-) > > > > > >What's all that fancty talk...this database is over twenty years old, > there > > >was no Oracle, Linux, MySQL etc etc... > > > > > >Jim > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > >From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > >[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of > Hans-Christian > > >Andersen > > >Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 4:15 PM > > >To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > >Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] database > > > > > > > > >Does this database have constraints in any shape or form? If the database > > is > > >capable of constraints (most modern databases do, but older ones, I feign > > >ignorance) and it was implemented properly, it makes life a heck of a lot > > >easier, since you can a quick overview of the relationships between > > >different tables - thus making your life easier. > > > > > >- Hans > > > > > > > > >On 2013-01-26, at 11:28 AM, "Jim Lawrence" < accessd at shaw.ca > wrote: > > > > > >> Hi Gustav: > > >> > > >> I do have incredible confidence in you guys. > > >> > > >> It never hurts to be a little overly cautious with these sort of events > > >and > > >> who knows, there may be a obvious "got-ya" that I have over-looked. > > >> > > >> Jim > > >> > > >> -----Original Message----- > > >> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > >> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav > Brock > > >> Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 10:50 AM > > >> To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com > > >> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] database > > >> > > >> Hi Jim > > >> > > >> I must say you have great confidence in us. After a couple of months' > > >> planning you ask for good advice within the hour! > > >> > > >> That said, and as already mentioned, I would certainly look for setting > > >> cascade deletes. > > >> > > >> /gustav > > <<< skipped >>> > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sun Jan 27 06:31:49 2013 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 07:31:49 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] database In-Reply-To: <5104EC4A.32251.43DDAC3A@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <5104C80C.14840.43501CA5@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <212611F818D9438ABCDE9A749B028B4E@creativesystemdesigns.com> <5104EC4A.32251.43DDAC3A@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: To all on this thread: I have a PDF file that charts the history of RDMSs. I've forgotten where I obtained it so I can't post a link. To be really useful, this would require access to a large printer, because it should come out as a wall poster. If anyone would like a copy, email me privately and I'll fire it off. Meanwhile, for a history using words rather than a graphic timeline, see http://www.guug.de/lokal/muenchen/2007-05-14/rdbmsc.pdf. Arthur From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sun Jan 27 12:05:32 2013 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 13:05:32 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Does Microsoft Have the Best App Store for Open Source Developers? Message-ID: This from slashdot... *"Microsoft seems to have been in combat against the GNU GPL throughout the history of free and open source software. But that may be changing. They have recently updated the terms of use for software developers in their Windows Phone app store to allowany OSI-approved open source license ? even the GPL. They include extraordinarily broad language that gives the open source license priority over their own license terms, saying: 'If your Application or In-App Product includes FOSS, your license terms may conflict with the limitations set forth in Section 3 of the Standard Application License Terms, but only to the extent required by the FOSS that you use.' Could it be that the most open source friendly app stores will be the ones run my Microsoft?"* -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. -- Niels Bohr From accessd at shaw.ca Sun Jan 27 13:51:56 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 11:51:56 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] database In-Reply-To: <5104EC4A.32251.43DDAC3A@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: , <5104C80C.14840.43501CA5@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>, <212611F818D9438ABCDE9A749B028B4E@creativesystemdesigns.com> <5104EC4A.32251.43DDAC3A@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: Hi Stuart: That is impressive. Too bad I never had a chance to try it out. Those were the "Gold Rush" days of computers. The database and systems market was growing like crazy then. Anyone smart and willing to work hard could turn a really good buck...obviously you did. CPM, huh...first DOS, but was multi-user capabilities. If Microsoft had not been so struck on being different all their slashes could have been the right way, their system would have been multi-user and network ready. Worked with CPM, on government managers' Kypros (the precursor of the laptop...it was as heavy and big as a PC but came with a suit-case handle so it was portable). If you know CPM well, then UNIX and now Linux would seem like home. One of my contracts was working on an ancient accounting system for the government from 1992 to 2000. The database was called DC/2. (Interesting aside: the database was originally commissioned and then sold by a mortuary company out of Chicago...a good location for that type business...very high volumes.) Its language was like a macro assembler code; OP code, Operand and value. Returns and loops were just offsets pushed into the local stack, followed but a return OP code. No real-time keys or indexes, those tasks were over-night batch files. The system had thousands of users and was the back-bone of two of the largest government ministries. We were on call 24x7. The system was originally on an IBM Mainframe, using a version of CPM, then it was migrated to a VAX, using VMS (the first modern virtual UNIX), then it migrated to DataPoint on UNIX servers and finally to Linux servers. I understand that it has now been abandoned (R.I.P) and replaced by an Oracle DB with their PL/SQL language and their GUI FE but of course it is running on Linux. Things sure move fast in the computer world. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 12:59 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] database I really liked it. It was my primary development environment between 86 and 93. First on C/CPM then on DOS. I built some major systems in it including the system used to track all the material moved by SAT for the construction of the Kutubu oil pipleine (up to 15 x 20 ton C130 loads per day for 3 years - one of the biggest civilian airlifts in history). Then when they built the Lihir goldmine, I wrote Ver 2 to manage the movement of everything for the construction by barge from Lae to Lihir. I never got into the Windows version because I switched to Access in 93 (v1.1). But in it's day it was very powerful and great for RAD. It was like Access/VBA in some ways in that you could do a lot of heavy coding inside forms and reports. I was still occasionally writing mashups to suck data from DOS based Dataflex accounting systems into Access etc until about 10 years ago. -- Stuart On 26 Jan 2013 at 23:59, Jim Lawrence wrote: > That is one of the few databases that I never worked with. Did some reading > up on it at the time but for some reason, probably that no contracts asked > for it, never used it. > > What was it like to work with? > > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan > Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 10:24 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] database > > 1989? You should have built it in Dataflex :-) > > > On 26 Jan 2013 at 20:46, Jim Lawrence wrote: > > > Hi Shamil: > > > > This database had it beginning in 1989. > > > > Oracle was hardly noted in 1993 (but I did get a free copy), MS Access was > > just a toy until 1997 (Took a full two week training course in MS Access > > (version 2) in 1993(?) fully paid for by Microsoft), R:Base was excellent > > but it needed virtually a server to run on or maybe a main-frame, Paradox, > > one of the first real desktop databases but not very multi-user friendly, > > then the whole Dbase series...only DBaseIII was good...did a lot of work > on > > this package and its various offspring; clipper and Foxbase (and FoxPro). > > > > Foxbase was the first real database, fast and multi-user. Before that I > was > > building applications, in AcuCobol/Basic/Fortran on top of Btrieve...fully > > multi-user when running on a Novell LAN network (also ran on UNIX and > > Xenix). Then there was Smartware (1984), the first full office suite, that > > was also fully programmable...even had a full modem and terminal > > communications package. Other incredible databases that somehow pasted > under > > the radar were Clarion, very eloquent in design, would compile almost to > > assembler and SuperBase, one of the fastest databases ever built...but it > > needed to remap the hard-drive. There were a number of other databases but > > the names escape me for now. > > > > The database in question was initially built in Informix on SCO > UNIX/Xenix. > > If there had been OSS Linux at the time, I would have never moved the > > product to Windows. The windows version was a cross between Angoss, a > > derivative of Smartware and Informix. Very fast and very reliable and I > have > > a full unlimited license as the IBM bought up Informix and the Windows > > software division closed down. > > > > Minis and Mainframes (VAX) came before, the first age and Windows and > Oracle > > databases came after, the third age...and now the fourth age is is the > > Internet. As you can see, I have a long and very messy history in > databases > > > > > > Jim > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov > > Shamil > > Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 5:20 PM > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] database > > > > Hi Jim -- > > > > <<< > > ?there?was no Oracle, Linux, MySQL etc etc... > > >>> > > But Oracle was available already - twenty years ago - in January 1993: > > > > - Oracle -? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oracle_Database > > > > as well as: > > > > - dBase -? http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/DBase > > - R:Base -? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R:Base > > - Paradox -? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_(database ) > > - MS Access -? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Access > > - dbVista (Raima Data Manager) -? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raima > > - ... > > > > Have you used file system "database" that "ancient" times to get your POS > > software to fit into memory?? > > Are you still keeping (some of) your POS application system production and > > history data out of a database? > > > > Thank you. > > > > -- Shamil > > > > , 26 2013, 16:40 -08:00 "Jim Lawrence" : > > >Constraints? What's a constraint? ;-) > > > > > >What's all that fancty talk...this database is over twenty years old, > there > > >was no Oracle, Linux, MySQL etc etc... > > > > > >Jim > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > >From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > >[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of > Hans-Christian > > >Andersen > > >Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 4:15 PM > > >To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > >Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] database > > > > > > > > >Does this database have constraints in any shape or form? If the database > > is > > >capable of constraints (most modern databases do, but older ones, I feign > > >ignorance) and it was implemented properly, it makes life a heck of a lot > > >easier, since you can a quick overview of the relationships between > > >different tables - thus making your life easier. > > > > > >- Hans > > > > > > > > >On 2013-01-26, at 11:28 AM, "Jim Lawrence" < accessd at shaw.ca > wrote: > > > > > >> Hi Gustav: > > >> > > >> I do have incredible confidence in you guys. > > >> > > >> It never hurts to be a little overly cautious with these sort of events > > >and > > >> who knows, there may be a obvious "got-ya" that I have over-looked. > > >> > > >> Jim > > >> > > >> -----Original Message----- > > >> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > >> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav > Brock > > >> Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 10:50 AM > > >> To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com > > >> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] database > > >> > > >> Hi Jim > > >> > > >> I must say you have great confidence in us. After a couple of months' > > >> planning you ask for good advice within the hour! > > >> > > >> That said, and as already mentioned, I would certainly look for setting > > >> cascade deletes. > > >> > > >> /gustav > > <<< skipped >>> > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Sun Jan 27 13:53:35 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 11:53:35 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] database In-Reply-To: References: <5104C80C.14840.43501CA5@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg><212611F818D9438ABCDE9A749B028B4E@creativesystemdesigns.com><5104EC4A.32251.43DDAC3A@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: Hi Arthur: Well thank you very much for that. :-) Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 4:32 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] database To all on this thread: I have a PDF file that charts the history of RDMSs. I've forgotten where I obtained it so I can't post a link. To be really useful, this would require access to a large printer, because it should come out as a wall poster. If anyone would like a copy, email me privately and I'll fire it off. Meanwhile, for a history using words rather than a graphic timeline, see http://www.guug.de/lokal/muenchen/2007-05-14/rdbmsc.pdf. Arthur _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Sun Jan 27 14:12:19 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 12:12:19 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] database In-Reply-To: References: <1359249575.662185501@f385.i.mail.ru> Message-ID: <42F038AED5284ECCBCAF27DC555E74F5@creativesystemdesigns.com> To All: The database conversion went through without a hitch. It even finished much earlier than original calculated. As soon as seventy percent of the database was removed all keys and most of the data cached in memory and it just ripped through from there after. I have done a series of tests and everything works perfect...as far as I can tell. The business opens at 09:00 tomorrow morning and as long as I do not get a frantic call at 09:01 I will consider it a complete success. Thanks so much for all your help. Jim From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sun Jan 27 14:48:55 2013 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 15:48:55 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] database In-Reply-To: <42F038AED5284ECCBCAF27DC555E74F5@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <1359249575.662185501@f385.i.mail.ru> <42F038AED5284ECCBCAF27DC555E74F5@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: Congrats, Jim. But we all knew they were in good hands, anyway. A. From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sun Jan 27 14:53:26 2013 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 15:53:26 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] database In-Reply-To: References: <1359249575.662185501@f385.i.mail.ru> <42F038AED5284ECCBCAF27DC555E74F5@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: Jim, You can't blame MS for the backslashes. MS bought DOS outright for $50K from Seattle Computer Products, and it came with backslashes. Earlier that week, IBM executives flew to Albuquerque to talk with Gary Kildall about buying CP/M, but he was too busy flying his plane to meet with them, so they continued their journey to Seattle to see Bill Gates. Bill didn't even own an OS at that moment, but knew of Seattle's product, and drove over to see them. He offered $50K for DOS and they accepted. His (Bill's) genius was in doing the deal with IBM for a piece of the sales of the IMB-PC. *That * was genius. A. From accessd at shaw.ca Sun Jan 27 15:32:41 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 13:32:41 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Does Microsoft Have the Best App Store for Open SourceDevelopers? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: It is good to see that Microsoft is officially proclaiming its support of the OSS world. Considering that in 1995-1996, Microsoft's Steve Ballmer vowed to sue the then fledgling Linux into oblivion as an affront to true capitalism and the whole free-enterprise system (IMHO, what an ignorant ass). Fortunately, IBM, stepped in and offered to pay any legal costs and Steve of Microsoft was forced to abandoned that action. Linux of course got the last laugh as now every major company extensively uses versions of Linux and it various products. Microsoft has been supporting the distribution of C# through financial support of Mono, the OSS cross-platform version and promoting CodePlex along with a number of other ventures like the JavaScript framework TypeScript. In summary, it is good to realize they now see the light as it will guarantee Microsoft will be a strong force, even a decade from now. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 10:06 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Does Microsoft Have the Best App Store for Open SourceDevelopers? This from slashdot... *"Microsoft seems to have been in combat against the GNU GPL throughout the history of free and open source software. But that may be changing. They have recently updated the terms of use for software developers in their Windows Phone app store to allowany OSI-approved open source license - even the GPL. They include extraordinarily broad language that gives the open source license priority over their own license terms, saying: 'If your Application or In-App Product includes FOSS, your license terms may conflict with the limitations set forth in Section 3 of the Standard Application License Terms, but only to the extent required by the FOSS that you use.' Could it be that the most open source friendly app stores will be the ones run my Microsoft?"* -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. -- Niels Bohr _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Sun Jan 27 15:38:12 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 13:38:12 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] database In-Reply-To: References: <1359249575.662185501@f385.i.mail.ru><42F038AED5284ECCBCAF27DC555E74F5@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: Hi Arthur: That backslash where a frontslash should be, always confuses me, for a few moments, when I switch OSs... I just like whining and standards maintained. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 12:53 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] database Jim, You can't blame MS for the backslashes. MS bought DOS outright for $50K from Seattle Computer Products, and it came with backslashes. Earlier that week, IBM executives flew to Albuquerque to talk with Gary Kildall about buying CP/M, but he was too busy flying his plane to meet with them, so they continued their journey to Seattle to see Bill Gates. Bill didn't even own an OS at that moment, but knew of Seattle's product, and drove over to see them. He offered $50K for DOS and they accepted. His (Bill's) genius was in doing the deal with IBM for a piece of the sales of the IMB-PC. *That * was genius. A. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From mcp2004 at mail.ru Sun Jan 27 16:08:03 2013 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 02:08:03 +0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?database?= In-Reply-To: References: <5104EC4A.32251.43DDAC3A@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <1359324483.96889929@f59.mail.ru> Hi Jim -- <<< Too bad I never had a chance to try it out. >>> AFAIU you mean DataFlex? (I suppose it wasn't a bad luck you haven't had a chance to work with it.) I have worked with DataFlex MS DOS within year 1993. By that time DataFlex have had already used so called 4GL Object Oriented proprietary programming language. That was a kind of "Object Cobol" - resulting in a very verbose code. Yes, it was a powerful OOP 4GL and development system, maybe too powerful to be true for that time: when I switched to MS Access 1.1 because of my that time main customer request - that was a shock as MS Access 1.1 was "object based" and it (MS Access) doesn't have any features to create custom classes etc. DataFlex, I suppose, was too late with its Visual DataFlex version - and MS Access "crushed" it and PowerBuilder, and Borland's Paradox and dBase, and Clipper, and FoxBase... on MS Windows desktop platform. DataFlex has a notion of Dataset - a set of related tables - datamodel subset. That Dataset can be "bound" to UI and it is providing a very powerful data manipulation operations - that was a unique(?) feature for middle 90-ies of the last century and it's still rather unique I suppose. DataFlex wasn't an MS SQL based DBMS - one would better think of it as having Network Data Model ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_model ). Thank you. -- Shamil ???????????, 27 ?????? 2013, 11:51 -08:00 ?? "Jim Lawrence" : >Hi Stuart: > >That is impressive. Too bad I never had a chance to try it out. > >Those were the "Gold Rush" days of computers. The database and systems >market was growing like crazy then. Anyone smart and willing to work hard >could turn a really good buck...obviously you did. > >CPM, huh...first DOS, but was multi-user capabilities. If Microsoft had not >been so struck on being different all their slashes could have been the >right way, their system would have been multi-user and network ready. Worked >with CPM, on government managers' Kypros (the precursor of the laptop...it >was as heavy and big as a PC but came with a suit-case handle so it was >portable). If you know CPM well, then UNIX and now Linux would seem like >home. > >One of my contracts was working on an ancient accounting system for the >government from 1992 to 2000. The database was called DC/2. (Interesting >aside: the database was originally commissioned and then sold by a mortuary >company out of Chicago...a good location for that type business...very high >volumes.) Its language was like a macro assembler code; OP code, Operand and >value. Returns and loops were just offsets pushed into the local stack, >followed but a return OP code. No real-time keys or indexes, those tasks >were over-night batch files. The system had thousands of users and was the >back-bone of two of the largest government ministries. We were on call 24x7. >The system was originally on an IBM Mainframe, using a version of CPM, then >it was migrated to a VAX, using VMS (the first modern virtual UNIX), then it >migrated to DataPoint on UNIX servers and finally to Linux servers. I >understand that it has now been abandoned (R.I.P) and replaced by an Oracle >DB with their PL/SQL language and their GUI FE but of course it is running >on Linux. > >Things sure move fast in the computer world. > >Jim <<< skipped >>> > From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Jan 28 00:33:42 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 22:33:42 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Microsoft's next CEO In-Reply-To: References: <1359249575.662185501@f385.i.mail.ru><42F038AED5284ECCBCAF27DC555E74F5@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: There has been a lot of talk lately about the next CEO after Steve Ballmer leaves. Yes, a little presumptuous but people are now talking and writing. http://redmondmag.com/articles/2013/01/01/microsofts-next-ceo.aspx Seeing Microsoft's future may depend on who will replace the current CEO it is of great importance to all of us, in the computer business, those who make their livelihood at the same. Jim From hans.andersen at phulse.com Mon Jan 28 00:56:17 2013 From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 22:56:17 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Microsoft's next CEO In-Reply-To: References: <1359249575.662185501@f385.i.mail.ru><42F038AED5284ECCBCAF27DC555E74F5@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <4C0CCF38-7617-4DDB-86E4-843B6C87B406@phulse.com> If they gave me a chance and made me CEO of Microsoft for a while, man, I could really turn that company around for the better. On 2013-01-27, at 10:33 PM, "Jim Lawrence" wrote: > There has been a lot of talk lately about the next CEO after Steve Ballmer > leaves. Yes, a little presumptuous but people are now talking and writing. > > http://redmondmag.com/articles/2013/01/01/microsofts-next-ceo.aspx > > Seeing Microsoft's future may depend on who will replace the current CEO it > is of great importance to all of us, in the computer business, those who > make their livelihood at the same. > > Jim > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Jan 28 00:57:24 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 22:57:24 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] database In-Reply-To: <1359324483.96889929@f59.mail.ru> References: <5104EC4A.32251.43DDAC3A@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <1359324483.96889929@f59.mail.ru> Message-ID: <7DFF8C4C37B64DE7A9401CD3A2904FF7@creativesystemdesigns.com> Hi Shamil: It was good fortune that all the pieces fell into place at the right moment and there was MS Access 1.1. It had a very small foot-print, considering it had to perform on Windows which had a huge resource requirements. I was currently doing much of my work in the new FoxPro. It had blown away all the competition because it full compiled into a stand-alone application and it had the new Rushmore sorting algorithm...it was the fastest by far. When Microsoft bought up Foxpro, it was obvious what the systems people at MS wanted; the patents on this incredible software break-through and the technology was immediately put into Access version 2 and the rest is history. I immediately started learning Access. You must admit, for the desktop Windows computer the best small database ever created was Access 7. It brought so much work to the company that I was then working for. We went from a development team of one person, myself but only part-time to seven full-time programmers. For the next two years it was the most profitable section in the company...after leaving I continued working on numerous government contracts and private sales....most FEs were MS Access but the BE was abandoned in favour of MS SQL and Oracle. In summary, the ten years from 1990 to 2000 saw more great PC databases come and go. So you are saying maybe missing Dataflex was a good miss. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov Shamil Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 2:08 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] database Hi Jim -- <<< Too bad I never had a chance to try it out. >>> AFAIU you mean DataFlex? (I suppose it wasn't a bad luck you haven't had a chance to work with it.) I have worked with DataFlex MS DOS within year 1993. By that time DataFlex have had already used so called 4GL Object Oriented proprietary programming language. That was a kind of "Object Cobol" - resulting in a very verbose code. Yes, it was a powerful OOP 4GL and development system, maybe too powerful to be true for that time: when I switched to MS Access 1.1 because of my that time main customer request - that was a shock as MS Access 1.1 was "object based" and it (MS Access) doesn't have any features to create custom classes etc. DataFlex, I suppose, was too late with its Visual DataFlex version - and MS Access "crushed" it and PowerBuilder, and Borland's Paradox and dBase, and Clipper, and FoxBase... on MS Windows desktop platform. DataFlex has a notion of Dataset - a set of related tables - datamodel subset. That Dataset can be "bound" to UI and it is providing a very powerful data manipulation operations - that was a unique(?) feature for middle 90-ies of the last century and it's still rather unique I suppose. DataFlex wasn't an MS SQL based DBMS - one would better think of it as having Network Data Model ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_model ). Thank you. -- Shamil ???????????, 27 ?????? 2013, 11:51 -08:00 ?? "Jim Lawrence" : >Hi Stuart: > >That is impressive. Too bad I never had a chance to try it out. > >Those were the "Gold Rush" days of computers. The database and systems >market was growing like crazy then. Anyone smart and willing to work hard >could turn a really good buck...obviously you did. > >CPM, huh...first DOS, but was multi-user capabilities. If Microsoft had not >been so struck on being different all their slashes could have been the >right way, their system would have been multi-user and network ready. Worked >with CPM, on government managers' Kypros (the precursor of the laptop...it >was as heavy and big as a PC but came with a suit-case handle so it was >portable). If you know CPM well, then UNIX and now Linux would seem like >home. > >One of my contracts was working on an ancient accounting system for the >government from 1992 to 2000. The database was called DC/2. (Interesting >aside: the database was originally commissioned and then sold by a mortuary >company out of Chicago...a good location for that type business...very high >volumes.) Its language was like a macro assembler code; OP code, Operand and >value. Returns and loops were just offsets pushed into the local stack, >followed but a return OP code. No real-time keys or indexes, those tasks >were over-night batch files. The system had thousands of users and was the >back-bone of two of the largest government ministries. We were on call 24x7. >The system was originally on an IBM Mainframe, using a version of CPM, then >it was migrated to a VAX, using VMS (the first modern virtual UNIX), then it >migrated to DataPoint on UNIX servers and finally to Linux servers. I >understand that it has now been abandoned (R.I.P) and replaced by an Oracle >DB with their PL/SQL language and their GUI FE but of course it is running >on Linux. > >Things sure move fast in the computer world. > >Jim <<< skipped >>> > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Jan 28 01:10:58 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 23:10:58 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Another OS operating system In-Reply-To: <1359324483.96889929@f59.mail.ru> References: <5104EC4A.32251.43DDAC3A@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <1359324483.96889929@f59.mail.ru> Message-ID: <8913B9FCE3044FA9A481C830B907B2EB@creativesystemdesigns.com> So here is something interesting...another OSS and it is not Linux It is called Haiku. Whether the OS, based on BeOS, will make it past the development stage is a question as they are still trying to put enough funds together to make the dream a reality. Below is their site: https://www.haiku-os.org/ Here is a Wikipedia oversight: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haiku_(operating_system) And a link to many images of the various product screens: http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&sugexp=les%3B&gs_rn=1&gs_ri=hp&cp=8&gs_id= 4&xhr=t&q=Haiku+OS&biw=1174&bih=649&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&um=1&ie=UTF- 8&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&ei=bSIGUaPJNpCUigLw7oHoDg And finally a article from a recent product convert: http://blog.leahhanson.us/falling-for-haiku-os.html Jim From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Jan 28 01:29:07 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 23:29:07 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Microsoft's next CEO In-Reply-To: <4C0CCF38-7617-4DDB-86E4-843B6C87B406@phulse.com> References: <1359249575.662185501@f385.i.mail.ru><42F038AED5284ECCBCAF27DC555E74F5@creativesystemdesigns.com> <4C0CCF38-7617-4DDB-86E4-843B6C87B406@phulse.com> Message-ID: <92A23DDF090F4B05A68A2B368864DA22@creativesystemdesigns.com> I will probably forgive Steve for trying to kill Linux ...but it will take at least another ten years...for Windows 8; the court of public opinion is still out on that one. No matter what Mr. Ballmer does now he just can not win; the public's perception of the man is set...so for himself and especially the company, he should retire soon...I just can not defend the man any more and I have always been a strong supporter of Microsoft's products (they have paid the bills very well for years). I think you would do just fine as CEO. Maybe a strong supporter like Shamil and/or Gustav would also make a fine CEO. Maybe anyone who wants to become CEO of Microsoft should send in their resume. There is just so much good talent out there. Microsoft needs a programming geek with a vision. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hans-Christian Andersen Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 10:56 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Microsoft's next CEO If they gave me a chance and made me CEO of Microsoft for a while, man, I could really turn that company around for the better. On 2013-01-27, at 10:33 PM, "Jim Lawrence" wrote: > There has been a lot of talk lately about the next CEO after Steve Ballmer > leaves. Yes, a little presumptuous but people are now talking and writing. > > http://redmondmag.com/articles/2013/01/01/microsofts-next-ceo.aspx > > Seeing Microsoft's future may depend on who will replace the current CEO it > is of great importance to all of us, in the computer business, those who > make their livelihood at the same. > > Jim > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From marklbreen at gmail.com Mon Jan 28 03:15:24 2013 From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 09:15:24 +0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Another OS operating system In-Reply-To: <8913B9FCE3044FA9A481C830B907B2EB@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <5104EC4A.32251.43DDAC3A@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <1359324483.96889929@f59.mail.ru> <8913B9FCE3044FA9A481C830B907B2EB@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: Hello Jim Do you think that Linux apps will install and run on Haiku? If not, does it have future at all? I do admire the vision of anyone that attempts to start a new OS. On 28 January 2013 07:10, Jim Lawrence wrote: > So here is something interesting...another OSS and it is not Linux > > It is called Haiku. Whether the OS, based on BeOS, will make it past the > development stage is a question as they are still trying to put enough > funds > together to make the dream a reality. > > Below is their site: > https://www.haiku-os.org/ > > Here is a Wikipedia oversight: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haiku_(operating_system) > > And a link to many images of the various product screens: > > http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&sugexp=les%3B&gs_rn=1&gs_ri=hp&cp=8&gs_id= > > 4&xhr=t&q=Haiku+OS&biw=1174&bih=649&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&um=1&ie=UTF- > 8&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&ei=bSIGUaPJNpCUigLw7oHoDg > > And finally a article from a recent product convert: > http://blog.leahhanson.us/falling-for-haiku-os.html > > Jim > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From fuller.artful at gmail.com Mon Jan 28 03:43:17 2013 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 04:43:17 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] database In-Reply-To: <7DFF8C4C37B64DE7A9401CD3A2904FF7@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <5104EC4A.32251.43DDAC3A@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <1359324483.96889929@f59.mail.ru> <7DFF8C4C37B64DE7A9401CD3A2904FF7@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: Since we're all waxing nostalgic, I am reminded of a story that I have never been able to confirm or deny. The story suggests that some or all of the original Access development team was poached from Revelation. Does anyone know whether that is true? A. From hans.andersen at phulse.com Mon Jan 28 03:50:10 2013 From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 01:50:10 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Another OS operating system In-Reply-To: References: <5104EC4A.32251.43DDAC3A@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <1359324483.96889929@f59.mail.ru> <8913B9FCE3044FA9A481C830B907B2EB@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <5F266C55-F88A-4193-8CCA-EC767925258D@phulse.com> Hi Mark, No, Haiku is meant to be binary compatible with BeOS, so it does not run Linux binaries from the outset (but it is entirely possible, of course). Haiku is not a new OS. It has been around for a while actually. It's been around since the early 2000's. The history behind BeOS was that it was a new operating system that was designed to be heavily multi-core and multi-tasking (remember back in those days when the Pentium Pro machines were actually capable of multiple processors?). The company, Be Inc., was trying to compete in a heavily Windows dominated market and they were selling machines called BeBox's. Unfortunately, no one was interested in buying anything that wasn't Microsoft at the time, so BeOS never had any traction in the industry, despite being vastly superior (in every way conceivable) to Microsoft Windows. When Apple was failing to produce an update to their operating system, Mac OS 9, BeOS was one of the two options Apple was considering as being the next update to Apple OS. Unfortunately for Be Inc., Steve Jobs had returned to Apple and was pushing for NeXT, since this was his project prior to (re)joining Apple. Apple decided to go with NeXT. BeOS's last ditch effort to stay alive among the sharks (Microsoft) failed and the company folded in 2001. It's a shame. BeOS was an amazing operating system. It was far ahead of everything out there from a technology point of view and it ran circles around every other OS in terms of performance and stability at the time. Palm then acquired Be Inc and did bugger all with it (as usual), so the Haiku team took it upon themselves to rewrite BeOS and they called it Haiku. It's been in alpha forever because it is enough of a forgotten OS that few people care, but enough care to spend time working on it with a passion. Unfortunately, Haiku can only claim to be BeOS compatible. They had to rewrite everything, so it isn't really the same OS underneath, but they've done an excellent job considering! R.I.P. BeOS. - Hans On 2013-01-28, at 1:15 AM, Mark Breen wrote: > Hello Jim > > Do you think that Linux apps will install and run on Haiku? If not, does > it have future at all? > > I do admire the vision of anyone that attempts to start a new OS. > > > > On 28 January 2013 07:10, Jim Lawrence wrote: > >> So here is something interesting...another OSS and it is not Linux >> >> It is called Haiku. Whether the OS, based on BeOS, will make it past the >> development stage is a question as they are still trying to put enough >> funds >> together to make the dream a reality. >> >> Below is their site: >> https://www.haiku-os.org/ >> >> Here is a Wikipedia oversight: >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haiku_(operating_system) >> >> And a link to many images of the various product screens: >> >> http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&sugexp=les%3B&gs_rn=1&gs_ri=hp&cp=8&gs_id= >> >> 4&xhr=t&q=Haiku+OS&biw=1174&bih=649&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&um=1&ie=UTF- >> 8&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&ei=bSIGUaPJNpCUigLw7oHoDg >> >> And finally a article from a recent product convert: >> http://blog.leahhanson.us/falling-for-haiku-os.html >> >> Jim >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Mon Jan 28 04:04:08 2013 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 05:04:08 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Microsoft's next CEO In-Reply-To: <92A23DDF090F4B05A68A2B368864DA22@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <1359249575.662185501@f385.i.mail.ru> <42F038AED5284ECCBCAF27DC555E74F5@creativesystemdesigns.com> <4C0CCF38-7617-4DDB-86E4-843B6C87B406@phulse.com> <92A23DDF090F4B05A68A2B368864DA22@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: Be careful what you wish for, Hans. You seem like such a nice and knowledgeable man; I would hate to see you end up like Jonah, swallowed by a whale. Seriously, though, despite the best of intentions, it is much more difficult to steer a behemoth than a border collie. Of course, there are exceptions. IBM immediately springs to mind. Not that long ago, IBM was on the ropes, but it managed one of the most successful self-reinventions in history. So it can be done; it's just not easy. A. From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Jan 28 09:54:36 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 07:54:36 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Another OS operating system In-Reply-To: References: <5104EC4A.32251.43DDAC3A@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg><1359324483.96889929@f59.mail.ru><8913B9FCE3044FA9A481C830B907B2EB@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <915B53E2F1CB4EFEA5794D09335AD531@creativesystemdesigns.com> Hi Mark: I have no idea. I thought it very interesting that a new operating system is actually being constructed. The reason behind it, I can only speculate but there may be a very legitimate one. It seems that this is a time of huge changes in the computer market and many can see new opportunities. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 1:15 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Another OS operating system Hello Jim Do you think that Linux apps will install and run on Haiku? If not, does it have future at all? I do admire the vision of anyone that attempts to start a new OS. On 28 January 2013 07:10, Jim Lawrence wrote: > So here is something interesting...another OSS and it is not Linux > > It is called Haiku. Whether the OS, based on BeOS, will make it past the > development stage is a question as they are still trying to put enough > funds > together to make the dream a reality. > > Below is their site: > https://www.haiku-os.org/ > > Here is a Wikipedia oversight: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haiku_(operating_system) > > And a link to many images of the various product screens: > > http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&sugexp=les%3B&gs_rn=1&gs_ri=hp&cp=8&gs_id= > > 4&xhr=t&q=Haiku+OS&biw=1174&bih=649&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&um=1&ie=UTF- > 8&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&ei=bSIGUaPJNpCUigLw7oHoDg > > And finally a article from a recent product convert: > http://blog.leahhanson.us/falling-for-haiku-os.html > > Jim > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Jan 28 10:00:26 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 08:00:26 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] database In-Reply-To: References: <5104EC4A.32251.43DDAC3A@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg><1359324483.96889929@f59.mail.ru><7DFF8C4C37B64DE7A9401CD3A2904FF7@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: Hi Arthur: I heard the same story...it seems true. Revelations and subsequent Advanced Revelations was an excellent program. Supported a Revelations client (even did some government work on it) for years but never built an application on that platform. I wonder if anyone can check the facts as I would not be surprised if the info is out there somewhere. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 1:43 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] database Since we're all waxing nostalgic, I am reminded of a story that I have never been able to confirm or deny. The story suggests that some or all of the original Access development team was poached from Revelation. Does anyone know whether that is true? A. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Jan 28 11:17:35 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 09:17:35 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] F# In-Reply-To: <5F266C55-F88A-4193-8CCA-EC767925258D@phulse.com> References: <5104EC4A.32251.43DDAC3A@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg><1359324483.96889929@f59.mail.ru><8913B9FCE3044FA9A481C830B907B2EB@creativesystemdesigns.com> <5F266C55-F88A-4193-8CCA-EC767925258D@phulse.com> Message-ID: <1C1C717B4B5845BD93E3F5481D3A2715@creativesystemdesigns.com> Has anyone here tried F#? http://blogs.msdn.com/b/dsyme/archive/2013/01/23/try-f-learn-create-and-shar e-f-from-your-browser.aspx http://www.tryfsharp.org/ To download the opensource version at: http://fsharp.github.com/fsharp/ Is it useful? What nitch is it designed for? Jim From fuller.artful at gmail.com Mon Jan 28 13:29:17 2013 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 14:29:17 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] F# In-Reply-To: <1C1C717B4B5845BD93E3F5481D3A2715@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <5104EC4A.32251.43DDAC3A@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <1359324483.96889929@f59.mail.ru> <8913B9FCE3044FA9A481C830B907B2EB@creativesystemdesigns.com> <5F266C55-F88A-4193-8CCA-EC767925258D@phulse.com> <1C1C717B4B5845BD93E3F5481D3A2715@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: There's a good conceptual introduction to functional programming at http://www.joelonsoftware.com/items/2006/08/01.html. perhaps the greatest example is Google's MapReduce. The general idea is this: purely functional programs have no side effects and thus are trivially parallelizable.. A. From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Jan 28 13:39:14 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 11:39:14 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Mono (C# .Net for all computers) In-Reply-To: <1C1C717B4B5845BD93E3F5481D3A2715@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <5104EC4A.32251.43DDAC3A@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg><1359324483.96889929@f59.mail.ru><8913B9FCE3044FA9A481C830B907B2EB@creativesystemdesigns.com><5F266C55-F88A-4193-8CCA-EC767925258D@phulse.com> <1C1C717B4B5845BD93E3F5481D3A2715@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <20BD76D07DF2413FA91A4DDDA0E47D3D@creativesystemdesigns.com> Hi All: Mono, the OSS version of C# claims that a programmer can develop application in one environment and it will port to all. Java has claimed the same of course but for those who are looking for or are working with a high-performance programming language and have experience with Windows .Net languages, this may be your forte. Mono C# claims it can port to all the following platforms: Windows (OpenGL) Linux (OpenGL) Android - requires Mono for Android http://store.xamarin.com OUYA - requires Mono for Android http://store.xamarin.com Windows 8/RT. Windows Phone 8 - BETA http://monogame.codeplex.com/releases/view/100041 This is a very active community so apps and desktop applications are popping up everywhere. Definite worth some investigation. Jim From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Jan 28 13:41:20 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 11:41:20 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] F# In-Reply-To: References: <5104EC4A.32251.43DDAC3A@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg><1359324483.96889929@f59.mail.ru><8913B9FCE3044FA9A481C830B907B2EB@creativesystemdesigns.com><5F266C55-F88A-4193-8CCA-EC767925258D@phulse.com><1C1C717B4B5845BD93E3F5481D3A2715@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <5143BD398D52417CA581388C3D6F5BA6@creativesystemdesigns.com> Hi Arthur: What's that again? ...thus are trivially parallelizable... Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 11:29 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] F# There's a good conceptual introduction to functional programming at http://www.joelonsoftware.com/items/2006/08/01.html. perhaps the greatest example is Google's MapReduce. The general idea is this: purely functional programs have no side effects and thus are trivially parallelizable.. A. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Mon Jan 28 13:47:55 2013 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 14:47:55 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] F# In-Reply-To: <5143BD398D52417CA581388C3D6F5BA6@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <5104EC4A.32251.43DDAC3A@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <1359324483.96889929@f59.mail.ru> <8913B9FCE3044FA9A481C830B907B2EB@creativesystemdesigns.com> <5F266C55-F88A-4193-8CCA-EC767925258D@phulse.com> <1C1C717B4B5845BD93E3F5481D3A2715@creativesystemdesigns.com> <5143BD398D52417CA581388C3D6F5BA6@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: If you want to do massively parallel programming, as in the case of Google's MapReduce function, you absolutely need a language in which it is trivial to write parallel code. Functional programming is designed to do exactly that. As part of that goal, it offers some other built-in capabilities such as passing functions as parameters to other functions. Read the Spolsky blog for a clearer explanation. He begins with trivial Javascript and then moves on to show what a functional programming language can do. If you want more depth on the subject, there's a good article on wikpedia as well: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Functional_programming A. From fuller.artful at gmail.com Mon Jan 28 13:51:51 2013 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 14:51:51 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Office 2013 Released Tomorrow (Jan. 29) Message-ID: The official release is tomorrow. The pricing model is new. You don't buy it. You download it and install it locally, then pay a monthly or annual fee to use it. What is the feeling among this community about this new revenue model? -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. -- Niels Bohr From fuller.artful at gmail.com Mon Jan 28 13:58:05 2013 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 14:58:05 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Skype compromised? Message-ID: Because I have friends scattered around the world, I typically leave Skype open and minimized. I've noticed from time to time a red box appear that purports to be from Skype, suggesting that they want to phone me because my computer might be compromised. The first time it happened I responded, but there was no one on the line. Every subsequent time I have declined the call. My antivirus software sees nothing amiss. Has anyone seen this message while running Skype? -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. -- Niels Bohr From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Jan 28 14:20:46 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 12:20:46 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Skype compromised? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Arthur: I think it is a scam. Like any other open protocol, Skype is susceptible to all sorts of junk mail. Skype can not stop it all but such correspondence can be easily and permanently blocked. I receive all sorts of requests to add another person to my phone list like form; Mr. Enlargement, Virginia Bangkok or Ewecan Goallnite and so on. Any site you surf to can capture or/and find your Skype account, then sell it or use it and then you may get a request to be added to your phone list. And they do not give up; they just keep trying and trying...who knows one day the name that appears may seem like someone you know... Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 11:58 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Skype compromised? Because I have friends scattered around the world, I typically leave Skype open and minimized. I've noticed from time to time a red box appear that purports to be from Skype, suggesting that they want to phone me because my computer might be compromised. The first time it happened I responded, but there was no one on the line. Every subsequent time I have declined the call. My antivirus software sees nothing amiss. Has anyone seen this message while running Skype? -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. -- Niels Bohr _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Mon Jan 28 14:29:34 2013 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 15:29:34 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Skype compromised? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks, Jim. I suspected as much. In fact, in a day or two I plan to join a service that anonymizes my IP so that, among other things, I can get around the strait-jacket imposed by NetFlix.ca, which offers about 1/100 of what NetFlix.com offers. A. From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Mon Jan 28 14:54:37 2013 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 12:54:37 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Office 2013 Released Tomorrow (Jan. 29) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <40E76336067D4A96816D11B184DDD425@HAL9007> Sucks. I'd bet a dollar that's a market killer. R -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 11:52 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Office 2013 Released Tomorrow (Jan. 29) The official release is tomorrow. The pricing model is new. You don't buy it. You download it and install it locally, then pay a monthly or annual fee to use it. What is the feeling among this community about this new revenue model? -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. -- Niels Bohr _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From garykjos at gmail.com Mon Jan 28 15:28:32 2013 From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 15:28:32 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Office 2013 Released Tomorrow (Jan. 29) In-Reply-To: <40E76336067D4A96816D11B184DDD425@HAL9007> References: <40E76336067D4A96816D11B184DDD425@HAL9007> Message-ID: You can still buy individual licenses according to every article I have seen. Such as http://www.zdnet.com/microsoft-announces-office-2013-prices-and-packaging-7000004381/ ------------------------------------- If you?re queasy about subscriptions, you can still buy the traditional versions of Office 10, which use a device-based licensing model. Each license gives you the right to install the software on a single PC, and your usage rights are perpetual and don?t require any ongoing payments. For Office 2013, the lineup of packages available through retail channels remains the same, but Microsoft is bumping prices significantly. (The following list uses suggested selling prices as published by Microsoft; you can typically find significant discounts through resellers.) Office Home & Student, which includes Word, Excel, PowerPoint, and OneNote, will cost $140, up 17% from the current $120. Office Home & Business, which includes the above apps plus Outlook, will go for $220, up 10% from the current price of $200. Office Professional, which includes the above apps plus Access and Publisher, goes up to $400, a 14% bump from the current sticker price of $350. The per-PC licensing model is stricter in this release. If you want to install the traditional versions of Office 2013 on multiple PCs, you?ll need to buy separate licenses for each one. Office 2013 offers no multi-copy discounts for traditional packaged software as Office 2010 does. GK On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 2:54 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > Sucks. I'd bet a dollar that's a market killer. > > R > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller > Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 11:52 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: [dba-Tech] Office 2013 Released Tomorrow (Jan. 29) > > The official release is tomorrow. The pricing model is new. You don't buy > it. You download it and install it locally, then pay a monthly or annual fee > to use it. > > What is the feeling among this community about this new revenue model? > > -- > Arthur > Cell: 647.710.1314 > > Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. > -- Niels Bohr > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com From mcp2004 at mail.ru Mon Jan 28 15:35:18 2013 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 01:35:18 +0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?F=23?= References: <5143BD398D52417CA581388C3D6F5BA6@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <1359408918.283319502@f350.mail.ru> I'd add that functional programming also allows to process large amount of data using limited memory resources. C# has many features of functional programming languages and one can program on C# (or VB.NET) using "fully functional approach". Here is a set of tutorials and articles, which clearly show the ways to apply functional programming techniques using C#: http://blogs.msdn.com/b/ericwhite/archive/2006/10/04/fp-tutorial.aspx http://ericwhite.com/blog/functional-programming-expanded/ -- Shamil P.S. I do not program on F# and I currently do not plan to - no time to "embrace immensity" of modern development technologies available just for MS Windows developers...? ???????????, 28 ?????? 2013, 14:47 -05:00 ?? Arthur Fuller : >If you want to do massively parallel programming, as in the case of >Google's MapReduce function, you absolutely need a language in which it is >trivial to write parallel code. Functional programming is designed to do >exactly that. As part of that goal, it offers some other built-in >capabilities such as passing functions as parameters to other functions. >Read the Spolsky blog for a clearer explanation. He begins with trivial >Javascript and then moves on to show what a functional programming language >can do. > >If you want more depth on the subject, there's a good article on wikpedia >as well: >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Functional_programming > >A. From ssharkins at gmail.com Mon Jan 28 16:40:04 2013 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 17:40:04 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Skype compromised? References: Message-ID: <461932ACFC0B4BCAB2A2723F1B889187@SusanHarkins> I use to pay for conference calling with clients -- never much, about $10 at a time. I found a $30 payment to skype.com in my checking account -- never received the credit through skype for my account, never asked for the $30 credit in the first place. Skype.com admits that someone did that through their system, but refused to refund the $30. ;( I don't use them anymore unless a client insists, and they don't, and I tell everyone I can about it. If you're not using their credit system, probably fine. Susan H. > Because I have friends scattered around the world, I typically leave Skype > open and minimized. I've noticed from time to time a red box appear that > purports to be from Skype, suggesting that they want to phone me because > my > computer might be compromised. The first time it happened I responded, but > there was no one on the line. Every subsequent time I have declined the > call. > > My antivirus software sees nothing amiss. > > Has anyone seen this message while running Skype? > From ssharkins at gmail.com Mon Jan 28 16:42:25 2013 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 17:42:25 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Office 2013 Released Tomorrow (Jan. 29) References: <40E76336067D4A96816D11B184DDD425@HAL9007> Message-ID: <479ACD26E39247FD867831DF9DB42176@SusanHarkins> I'm certainly unsure how to proceed. I don't want to pay a monthly fee so I can write about the software occasionally. That's all I do with it anymore. In the past, I've always had a publisher send me a license. It's been time to start writing about wildlife and plants for a long time... Susan H. > Sucks. I'd bet a dollar that's a market killer. > > R From robert at servicexp.com Mon Jan 28 17:12:28 2013 From: robert at servicexp.com (Robert) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 18:12:28 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Office 2013 Released Tomorrow (Jan. 29) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001e01cdfdac$f27c7f60$d7757e20$@com> Access 2010 is the last version of Access that we've come to love and hate, "Access" is no more.. WBR Robert -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 2:52 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Office 2013 Released Tomorrow (Jan. 29) The official release is tomorrow. The pricing model is new. You don't buy it. You download it and install it locally, then pay a monthly or annual fee to use it. What is the feeling among this community about this new revenue model? -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. -- Niels Bohr _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Jan 28 18:54:45 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 16:54:45 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Office 2013 Released Tomorrow (Jan. 29) In-Reply-To: <40E76336067D4A96816D11B184DDD425@HAL9007> References: <40E76336067D4A96816D11B184DDD425@HAL9007> Message-ID: <819E28A9FB6A450583741FBEE57B01B7@creativesystemdesigns.com> Hi Rocky: In for a penny, in for a pound. Right now this model is being used on many Cloud based storage and processing schemes. You pay for what you use and how much you use. But previously there is a sliding usage fee. This new offer seems to follow the same pattern as Cell phones where you start off with a flat fee and then I am sure there is plus and plus for additional users and usage. Microsoft is predicting that businesses are entrenched to the use of MS Office products that this change will make little difference. The cost of the service must work out to a similar cost of someone purchasing a full Office package. I am sure that there will be the standard model packages for sale in the interim but I think they will be slowly phased out... The clients that this will affect the most is the smaller offices who have legally or illegally used a few Office packages in more than one place or for more than one user. Now this can be carefully monitored through the internet and the appropriate tolls and restrictions applied. Google, started charging for their previously free service...probably in anticipation of the MS move. There is also a move towards Cloud based everything and those that do not in or can not connect in, could be dropped as clients. Who wants clients who do not pay? As you say, "...that's a market killer"...but for who. It seems that suppliers have a tight monopoly. either use them of nothing at all. It is a "Black Aggie" move...going for control. Now there is a completely captive market with but one exception... The OSS products like OpenOffice and Libra Office. I would suggest that all users of these products, especially Libra Office place a small donation towards these alternatives so they can be kept as option now and in the future. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 12:55 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Office 2013 Released Tomorrow (Jan. 29) Sucks. I'd bet a dollar that's a market killer. R -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 11:52 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Office 2013 Released Tomorrow (Jan. 29) The official release is tomorrow. The pricing model is new. You don't buy it. You download it and install it locally, then pay a monthly or annual fee to use it. What is the feeling among this community about this new revenue model? -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. -- Niels Bohr _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Jan 28 18:56:38 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 16:56:38 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Skype compromised? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41CBE8CF6F1045B5B7A44EF9B622B840@creativesystemdesigns.com> Hi Arthur: If your anonymized service works out please let me know. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 12:30 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Skype compromised? Thanks, Jim. I suspected as much. In fact, in a day or two I plan to join a service that anonymizes my IP so that, among other things, I can get around the strait-jacket imposed by NetFlix.ca, which offers about 1/100 of what NetFlix.com offers. A. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Jan 28 19:08:34 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 17:08:34 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Office 2013 Released Tomorrow (Jan. 29) In-Reply-To: <001e01cdfdac$f27c7f60$d7757e20$@com> References: <001e01cdfdac$f27c7f60$d7757e20$@com> Message-ID: <61FB734B3E2C4220B6246EBB79C07180@creativesystemdesigns.com> Hi Robert: It is sad but as we all saw the product slowly devolving and it has come as no surprise...it has been ten years in the making. RIP Access...so long old friend. OTOH there are many alternatives and using and continuing to use older versions of the Access database is just fine. There are many ways to extend the life of a depreciated product far into the future. Your job as a tech is to make that happen and you will be needed like never before. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Robert Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 3:12 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Office 2013 Released Tomorrow (Jan. 29) Access 2010 is the last version of Access that we've come to love and hate, "Access" is no more.. WBR Robert -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 2:52 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Office 2013 Released Tomorrow (Jan. 29) The official release is tomorrow. The pricing model is new. You don't buy it. You download it and install it locally, then pay a monthly or annual fee to use it. What is the feeling among this community about this new revenue model? -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. -- Niels Bohr _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Jan 28 19:41:43 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 17:41:43 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] F# In-Reply-To: <1359408918.283319502@f350.mail.ru> References: <5143BD398D52417CA581388C3D6F5BA6@creativesystemdesigns.com> <1359408918.283319502@f350.mail.ru> Message-ID: <00BD61C459304F64934F772EE973B7FC@creativesystemdesigns.com> Hi Shamil: I did some investigation and even install Erlang on my system. It is all big data programming but to just set up a senario so that the software could be really tested would have taken too long. You need to have two or three servers just to play. The whole concept of calling a function, giving a start and end range and it just reciprocally calls itself, returning the value after the range is met is very interesting. Everything runs as continually cycling batch file with no other loop structures. Very heady stuff. I can see why these type of languages work well for very large distributive database. I agree that as a single developer this knowledge, the time requirements, the hardware demands just to get up to speed is not a good use of valuable time. OTOH, IMHO, I do think it would be a bit of a waste of time and code to implement the same functionality via C# when it can so easily be done via F# but I will definitely review the articles and tutorials. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov Shamil Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 1:35 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] F# I'd add that functional programming also allows to process large amount of data using limited memory resources. C# has many features of functional programming languages and one can program on C# (or VB.NET) using "fully functional approach". Here is a set of tutorials and articles, which clearly show the ways to apply functional programming techniques using C#: http://blogs.msdn.com/b/ericwhite/archive/2006/10/04/fp-tutorial.aspx http://ericwhite.com/blog/functional-programming-expanded/ -- Shamil P.S. I do not program on F# and I currently do not plan to - no time to "embrace immensity" of modern development technologies available just for MS Windows developers...? ???????????, 28 ?????? 2013, 14:47 -05:00 ?? Arthur Fuller : >If you want to do massively parallel programming, as in the case of >Google's MapReduce function, you absolutely need a language in which it is >trivial to write parallel code. Functional programming is designed to do >exactly that. As part of that goal, it offers some other built-in >capabilities such as passing functions as parameters to other functions. >Read the Spolsky blog for a clearer explanation. He begins with trivial >Javascript and then moves on to show what a functional programming language >can do. > >If you want more depth on the subject, there's a good article on wikpedia >as well: >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Functional_programming > >A. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Jan 28 21:13:02 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 19:13:02 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] For web developers In-Reply-To: References: <40E76336067D4A96816D11B184DDD425@HAL9007> Message-ID: <9BCC6D9E34574C27A53D12BD3619E431@creativesystemdesigns.com> Hi All: I have often complained about the lack of standards or more accurately complained about the lack of anyone following the Standards. Microsoft has definitely been the main offender but they are not alone. If you are a web developer you have probably experienced all these issues written in the article linked to this post: http://www.jonathantneal.com/blog/understand-the-favicon/ It is just a small single event and similar issues carry on right through entire web development. You may ask yourself why would I ever get into serious web development and if a web developer, you may ask, why am I still here(?) but someone's got to do it and if you are little masochistic all the better. ;-) Jim From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Jan 28 21:19:17 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 19:19:17 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Office 2013 Released Tomorrow (Jan. 29) In-Reply-To: References: <40E76336067D4A96816D11B184DDD425@HAL9007> Message-ID: <5A394F3FE8CF41B9BCDB42EA4BD195B2@creativesystemdesigns.com> Here is a simple graph showing the cost of using Cloud based Office as apposed to the desktop version: http://redmondmag.com/articles/2013/01/22/~/media/ECG/redmondmag/Images/2013 /01/new_office_pricing_lg.ashx The article this graphic comes from is very interesting but I found the comments, at the end of the article, equally as interesting. Whether true or not there is a general conscientious that everyone is somehow being screwed over. http://redmondmag.com/articles/2013/01/22/office-approaching-ga.aspx Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 1:29 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Office 2013 Released Tomorrow (Jan. 29) You can still buy individual licenses according to every article I have seen. Such as http://www.zdnet.com/microsoft-announces-office-2013-prices-and-packaging-70 00004381/ ------------------------------------- If you're queasy about subscriptions, you can still buy the traditional versions of Office 10, which use a device-based licensing model. Each license gives you the right to install the software on a single PC, and your usage rights are perpetual and don't require any ongoing payments. For Office 2013, the lineup of packages available through retail channels remains the same, but Microsoft is bumping prices significantly. (The following list uses suggested selling prices as published by Microsoft; you can typically find significant discounts through resellers.) Office Home & Student, which includes Word, Excel, PowerPoint, and OneNote, will cost $140, up 17% from the current $120. Office Home & Business, which includes the above apps plus Outlook, will go for $220, up 10% from the current price of $200. Office Professional, which includes the above apps plus Access and Publisher, goes up to $400, a 14% bump from the current sticker price of $350. The per-PC licensing model is stricter in this release. If you want to install the traditional versions of Office 2013 on multiple PCs, you'll need to buy separate licenses for each one. Office 2013 offers no multi-copy discounts for traditional packaged software as Office 2010 does. GK On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 2:54 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > Sucks. I'd bet a dollar that's a market killer. > > R > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller > Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 11:52 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: [dba-Tech] Office 2013 Released Tomorrow (Jan. 29) > > The official release is tomorrow. The pricing model is new. You don't buy > it. You download it and install it locally, then pay a monthly or annual fee > to use it. > > What is the feeling among this community about this new revenue model? > > -- > Arthur > Cell: 647.710.1314 > > Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. > -- Niels Bohr > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Jan 28 21:52:27 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 19:52:27 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] The dark side of programming craftmanship In-Reply-To: <5A394F3FE8CF41B9BCDB42EA4BD195B2@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <40E76336067D4A96816D11B184DDD425@HAL9007> <5A394F3FE8CF41B9BCDB42EA4BD195B2@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <1B0033FEEC804D0B9B49D2366B40C30A@creativesystemdesigns.com> As a programmer, my work quality (not functionality) falls into all sort of categories. Sometimes, it is a rush to crank out code that I will be loathe to admit to and other times in long term contracts, the code is a "thing of beauty". All quick hacks and mashups and eloquently designed code has put food on table. Here is an interesting article on that subject (PS there is also a beautiful Japanese parable that puts our coding into perspective.): http://www.javaworld.com/community/?q=node/8649 Jim From john at winhaven.net Mon Jan 28 22:34:56 2013 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 22:34:56 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] For web developers In-Reply-To: <9BCC6D9E34574C27A53D12BD3619E431@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <40E76336067D4A96816D11B184DDD425@HAL9007> <9BCC6D9E34574C27A53D12BD3619E431@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <008f01cdfdd9$fd87abf0$f89703d0$@winhaven.net> What a mess. I just tend to drag my feet when it comes to this stuff because it's so senseless. I just tried his example code for favicons. It worked, mostly: IE10 in desktop mode didn't seem to use any of them In Tile mode (yech) it did save the tile correctly when I pinned it. FireFix used the 32x32 Chrome used the 32x32 IE8 used the 16x16 Opera - lol - depends Safari - who cares - but really, what happened to Apple's download for it? I uninstalled it a while ago and I can't find where to download it anymore. Have they given up on Safari for Windows? -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 9:13 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] For web developers Hi All: I have often complained about the lack of standards or more accurately complained about the lack of anyone following the Standards. Microsoft has definitely been the main offender but they are not alone. If you are a web developer you have probably experienced all these issues written in the article linked to this post: http://www.jonathantneal.com/blog/understand-the-favicon/ It is just a small single event and similar issues carry on right through entire web development. You may ask yourself why would I ever get into serious web development and if a web developer, you may ask, why am I still here(?) but someone's got to do it and if you are little masochistic all the better. ;-) Jim _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From hans.andersen at phulse.com Mon Jan 28 23:32:06 2013 From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 21:32:06 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Skype compromised? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0A933B8E-0B39-47F3-9AC9-1623BDDBB428@phulse.com> Hi Arthur, I of course can't say this for certain, but it could very well be that classic scam, like the one where someone from Microsoft is calling you to let you know you have a virus on your computer. They then walk you through allowing them to remote desktop onto your computer. Once they have access, they install malware under the pretence that it is windows updates or security software and also disable any firewall or other security app you have installed. they then thank you for your time and you go on your merry way thinking, "thank goodness for microsoft! those guys give great service! i can feel safe knowing I no longer have malware on my computer". Of course, quite the opposite has happened and your computer is now talking to some command and control server out there waiting for instructions on what to do next or key logging when you login to online banking or even as far as to encrypt some of your more important files and demanding a ransom to be paid. fun stuff! - hans On 2013-01-28, at 11:58 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > Because I have friends scattered around the world, I typically leave Skype > open and minimized. I've noticed from time to time a red box appear that > purports to be from Skype, suggesting that they want to phone me because my > computer might be compromised. The first time it happened I responded, but > there was no one on the line. Every subsequent time I have declined the > call. > > My antivirus software sees nothing amiss. > > Has anyone seen this message while running Skype? > > -- > Arthur > Cell: 647.710.1314 > > Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. > -- Niels Bohr > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Jan 28 23:32:33 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 21:32:33 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] For web developers In-Reply-To: <008f01cdfdd9$fd87abf0$f89703d0$@winhaven.net> References: <40E76336067D4A96816D11B184DDD425@HAL9007> <9BCC6D9E34574C27A53D12BD3619E431@creativesystemdesigns.com> <008f01cdfdd9$fd87abf0$f89703d0$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: <44FB5E8E83BF4C969894EF614B0B1E85@creativesystemdesigns.com> Hi John: We concur. As for you issues with various version of browsers some of the easiest methods to find solutions is use the annoying browser in question and when you get to a site where the Favicon works, rip the code and check the icon size and format and emulate it on your site. Note 1: You can use the