[dba-Tech] database

Stuart McLachlan stuart at lexacorp.com.pg
Sun Jan 27 00:24:12 CST 2013


1989?  You should have built it in Dataflex :-)


On 26 Jan 2013 at 20:46, Jim Lawrence wrote:

> Hi Shamil:
> 
> This database had it beginning in 1989. 
> 
> Oracle was hardly noted in 1993 (but I did get a free copy), MS Access was
> just a toy until 1997 (Took a full two week training course in MS Access
> (version 2) in 1993(?) fully paid for by Microsoft), R:Base was excellent
> but it needed virtually a server to run on or maybe a main-frame, Paradox,
> one of the first real desktop databases but not very multi-user friendly,
> then the whole Dbase series...only DBaseIII was good...did a lot of work on
> this package and its various offspring; clipper and Foxbase (and FoxPro). 
> 
> Foxbase was the first real database, fast and multi-user. Before that I was
> building applications, in AcuCobol/Basic/Fortran on top of Btrieve...fully
> multi-user when running on a Novell LAN network (also ran on UNIX and
> Xenix). Then there was Smartware (1984), the first full office suite, that
> was also fully programmable...even had a full modem and terminal
> communications package. Other incredible databases that somehow pasted under
> the radar were Clarion, very eloquent in design, would compile almost to
> assembler and SuperBase, one of the fastest databases ever built...but it
> needed to remap the hard-drive. There were a number of other databases but
> the names escape me for now.
> 
> The database in question was initially built in Informix on SCO UNIX/Xenix.
> If there had been OSS Linux at the time, I would have never moved the
> product to Windows. The windows version was a cross between Angoss, a
> derivative of Smartware and Informix. Very fast and very reliable and I have
> a full unlimited license as the IBM bought up Informix and the Windows
> software division closed down.
> 
> Minis and Mainframes (VAX) came before, the first age and Windows and Oracle
> databases came after, the third age...and now the fourth age is is the
> Internet. As you can see, I have a long and very messy history in databases
> 
> 
> Jim   
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov
> Shamil
> Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 5:20 PM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] database
> 
>  Hi Jim --
> 
> <<<
>  there was no Oracle, Linux, MySQL etc etc...
> >>>
> But Oracle was available already - twenty years ago - in January 1993:
> 
> - Oracle -  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oracle_Database
> 
> as well as:
> 
> - dBase -  http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/DBase
> - R:Base -  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R:Base
> - Paradox -  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_(database )
> - MS Access -  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Access
> - dbVista (Raima Data Manager) -  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raima
> - ...
> 
> Have you used file system "database" that "ancient" times to get your POS
> software to fit into memory? 
> Are you still keeping (some of) your POS application system production and
> history data out of a database?
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> -- Shamil
> 
> , 26  2013, 16:40 -08:00  "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca>:
> >Constraints? What's a constraint? ;-)
> >
> >What's all that fancty talk...this database is over twenty years old, there
> >was no Oracle, Linux, MySQL etc etc...
> >
> >Jim 
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From:  dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> >[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hans-Christian
> >Andersen
> >Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 4:15 PM
> >To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> >Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] database
> >
> >
> >Does this database have constraints in any shape or form? If the database
> is
> >capable of constraints (most modern databases do, but older ones, I feign
> >ignorance) and it was implemented properly, it makes life a heck of a lot
> >easier, since you can a quick overview of the relationships between
> >different tables - thus making your life easier.
> >
> >- Hans
> >
> >
> >On 2013-01-26, at 11:28 AM, "Jim Lawrence" < accessd at shaw.ca > wrote:
> >
> >> Hi Gustav:
> >> 
> >> I do have incredible confidence in you guys.
> >> 
> >> It never hurts to be a little overly cautious with these sort of events
> >and
> >> who knows, there may be a obvious "got-ya" that I have over-looked. 
> >> 
> >> Jim 
> >> 
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From:  dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> >> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
> >> Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 10:50 AM
> >> To:  dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
> >> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] database
> >> 
> >> Hi Jim
> >> 
> >> I must say you have great confidence in us. After a couple of months'
> >> planning you ask for good advice within the hour!
> >> 
> >> That said, and as already mentioned, I would certainly look for setting
> >> cascade deletes.
> >> 
> >> /gustav
> <<< skipped >>>
> >
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