From jon.tydda at lonza.com Mon Jul 1 04:46:42 2013 From: jon.tydda at lonza.com (Tydda Jon - Slough) Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2013 11:46:42 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Everyone needs one or two In-Reply-To: <005b01ce72bf$a5b69750$f123c5f0$@winhaven.net> References: <9CF3262DAC954995A1E0D12864179FF7@server2003><35959F4BFC814BA8924D7317E58B4209@server2003> <3185B92631DD40D090E3FF61BB987AFC@server2003> <001001ce72a1$2c559370$8500ba50$@tydda.plus.com> <51CB41FC.3010803@earthlink.net> <000401ce72ae$dfd00130$9f700390$@tydda.plus.com> <005b01ce72bf$a5b69750$f123c5f0$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: <2495B56EE0CF824A99F14B2492C85E5D01681EC8CF@CHVEX07.lonzagroup.net> As far as I can tell, they're Intel drives. Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John R Bartow Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2013 11:51 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Everyone needs one or two What brand was the SSDs that were failing? -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2013 3:51 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Everyone needs one or two I don't want to bias anyone against the manufacturer, but their name sounds like Renovo... :-) Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Peter Brawley Sent: 26 June 2013 20:33 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Everyone needs one or two On 2013-06-26 2:12 PM, Jon Tydda wrote: > Reliability has to vastly improve first. We bought 250 laptops with > SSDs three years ago at work, and we've replaced nearly 50 of the > drives under warranty. > > It could be that they don't like having Bitlocker encryption on them, > but I wouldn't buy one for my data drive just yet. Wow, 20% failure rate over 3 years ain't a good storage option! PB ----- > > > Jon > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim > Lawrence > Sent: 26 June 2013 17:59 > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: [dba-Tech] Everyone needs one or two > > SSD drives are growing larger as well as cheaper. > > Will the new SSD drives eventually spell the end to traditional hard drives? > My thoughts are that they probably will, at least as the master > drives; all the price decimal point has to do is move one position to > the left. > > http://semiaccurate.com/2013/06/23/lsi-puts-out-a-4tb-pcie3-ssd/ > > Jim > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com This communication and its attachments, if any, may contain confidential and privileged information the use of which by other persons or entities than the intended recipient is prohibited. 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From jbartow at winhaven.net Mon Jul 1 10:23:30 2013 From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow) Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2013 10:23:30 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] SQLinForm - Standardized SQL Formatting in One Click Message-ID: <012f01ce766e$f1f04aa0$d5d0dfe0$@winhaven.net> I thought some of you may be interested in this product: http://www.bitsdujour.com/software/sqlinform-single-user-license/src=day?utm _campaign=2649484&utm_content=4867933023&utm_medium=email&utm_source=Emailvi sion jb From jbartow at winhaven.net Mon Jul 1 11:54:11 2013 From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow) Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2013 11:54:11 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Everyone needs one or two In-Reply-To: <2495B56EE0CF824A99F14B2492C85E5D01681EC8CF@CHVEX07.lonzagroup.net> References: <9CF3262DAC954995A1E0D12864179FF7@server2003><35959F4BFC814BA8924D7317E58B4209@server2003> <3185B92631DD40D090E3FF61BB987AFC@server2003> <001001ce72a1$2c559370$8500ba50$@tydda.plus.com> <51CB41FC.3010803@earthlink.net> <000401ce72ae$dfd00130$9f700390$@tydda.plus.com> <005b01ce72bf$a5b69750$f123c5f0$@winhaven.net> <2495B56EE0CF824A99F14B2492C85E5D01681EC8CF@CHVEX07.lonzagroup.net> Message-ID: <015401ce767b$9d44cd70$d7ce6850$@winhaven.net> OK Thanks. I've had to replace a lot of Fujitsu HD Drives over the years but I haven't replaced any SSDs yet. (My clients are too cheap to buy them ;-) -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tydda Jon - Slough Sent: Monday, July 01, 2013 4:47 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Everyone needs one or two As far as I can tell, they're Intel drives. Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John R Bartow Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2013 11:51 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Everyone needs one or two What brand was the SSDs that were failing? -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2013 3:51 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Everyone needs one or two I don't want to bias anyone against the manufacturer, but their name sounds like Renovo... :-) Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Peter Brawley Sent: 26 June 2013 20:33 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Everyone needs one or two On 2013-06-26 2:12 PM, Jon Tydda wrote: > Reliability has to vastly improve first. We bought 250 laptops with > SSDs three years ago at work, and we've replaced nearly 50 of the > drives under warranty. > > It could be that they don't like having Bitlocker encryption on them, > but I wouldn't buy one for my data drive just yet. Wow, 20% failure rate over 3 years ain't a good storage option! PB ----- > > > Jon > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim > Lawrence > Sent: 26 June 2013 17:59 > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: [dba-Tech] Everyone needs one or two > > SSD drives are growing larger as well as cheaper. > > Will the new SSD drives eventually spell the end to traditional hard drives? > My thoughts are that they probably will, at least as the master > drives; all the price decimal point has to do is move one position to > the left. > > http://semiaccurate.com/2013/06/23/lsi-puts-out-a-4tb-pcie3-ssd/ > > Jim > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com This communication and its attachments, if any, may contain confidential and privileged information the use of which by other persons or entities than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you receive this transmission in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete the material from your system. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From marklbreen at gmail.com Tue Jul 2 02:42:30 2013 From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen) Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2013 08:42:30 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] SQLinForm - Standardized SQL Formatting in One Click In-Reply-To: <012f01ce766e$f1f04aa0$d5d0dfe0$@winhaven.net> References: <012f01ce766e$f1f04aa0$d5d0dfe0$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: Hello John, I have been using RedGate SQL Prompt for the last 3 - 4 years. It is the best piece of software on my machine. Given a choice of Office or SQL Prompt, I would use Wordpad and keep SQL Prompt. It has a quick format feature that gives perfect SQL every time. It also has a free tool named sql search, which is really useful also. Redgate sell the tool belt, but you do not have to buy the entire thing. On 1 July 2013 16:23, John R Bartow wrote: > I thought some of you may be interested in this product: > > http://www.bitsdujour.com/software/sqlinform-single-user-license/src=day?utm > > _campaign=2649484&utm_content=4867933023&utm_medium=email&utm_source=Emailvi > sion > jb > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From jbartow at winhaven.net Tue Jul 2 18:55:59 2013 From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow) Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2013 18:55:59 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] SQLinForm - Standardized SQL Formatting in One Click In-Reply-To: References: <012f01ce766e$f1f04aa0$d5d0dfe0$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: <001e01ce777f$b3fa4b80$1beee280$@winhaven.net> Thanks Mark, I'll check it out. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 2:43 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] SQLinForm - Standardized SQL Formatting in One Click Hello John, I have been using RedGate SQL Prompt for the last 3 - 4 years. It is the best piece of software on my machine. Given a choice of Office or SQL Prompt, I would use Wordpad and keep SQL Prompt. It has a quick format feature that gives perfect SQL every time. It also has a free tool named sql search, which is really useful also. Redgate sell the tool belt, but you do not have to buy the entire thing. On 1 July 2013 16:23, John R Bartow wrote: > I thought some of you may be interested in this product: > > http://www.bitsdujour.com/software/sqlinform-single-user-license/src=d > ay?utm > > _campaign=2649484&utm_content=4867933023&utm_medium=email&utm_source=E > mailvi > sion > jb > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Wed Jul 3 11:58:18 2013 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2013 12:58:18 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] SQLinForm - Standardized SQL Formatting in One Click In-Reply-To: <001e01ce777f$b3fa4b80$1beee280$@winhaven.net> References: <012f01ce766e$f1f04aa0$d5d0dfe0$@winhaven.net> <001e01ce777f$b3fa4b80$1beee280$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: Mark and John, You won't find a larger enthusiast of the Red Gate tools than me. In fact, I even write for their publication (Simple-Talk.com) occasionally.I think that these people do everything right. On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 7:55 PM, John R Bartow wrote: > Thanks Mark, I'll check it out. > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen > Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 2:43 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] SQLinForm - Standardized SQL Formatting in One > Click > > Hello John, > > I have been using RedGate SQL Prompt for the last 3 - 4 years. It is the > best piece of software on my machine. > > Given a choice of Office or SQL Prompt, I would use Wordpad and keep SQL > Prompt. It has a quick format feature that gives perfect SQL every time. > > It also has a free tool named sql search, which is really useful also. > > Redgate sell the tool belt, but you do not have to buy the entire thing. > > > > > On 1 July 2013 16:23, John R Bartow wrote: > > > I thought some of you may be interested in this product: > > > > http://www.bitsdujour.com/software/sqlinform-single-user-license/src=d > > ay?utm > > > > _campaign=2649484&utm_content=4867933023&utm_medium=email&utm_source=E > > mailvi > > sion > > jb > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. -- Niels Bohr From marklbreen at gmail.com Wed Jul 3 14:51:36 2013 From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen) Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2013 20:51:36 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] SQLinForm - Standardized SQL Formatting in One Click In-Reply-To: References: <012f01ce766e$f1f04aa0$d5d0dfe0$@winhaven.net> <001e01ce777f$b3fa4b80$1beee280$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: Hi Arthur, thanks for the confirmation. I agree, I usually have to shut up because I sound so enthusiastic about them. Their sql compare products are great, the prompt and format are great, their search is great, their data generation utility is great. The doc tool works ok, same as the doc tool in access was ok Their backup tool is great, but it is expensive. I use expressmaint for backup usually or else I script the backup myself. On 3 July 2013 17:58, Arthur Fuller wrote: > Mark and John, > > You won't find a larger enthusiast of the Red Gate tools than me. In fact, > I even write for their publication (Simple-Talk.com) occasionally.I think > that these people do everything right. > > > On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 7:55 PM, John R Bartow > wrote: > > > Thanks Mark, I'll check it out. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen > > Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 2:43 AM > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] SQLinForm - Standardized SQL Formatting in One > > Click > > > > Hello John, > > > > I have been using RedGate SQL Prompt for the last 3 - 4 years. It is the > > best piece of software on my machine. > > > > Given a choice of Office or SQL Prompt, I would use Wordpad and keep SQL > > Prompt. It has a quick format feature that gives perfect SQL every time. > > > > It also has a free tool named sql search, which is really useful also. > > > > Redgate sell the tool belt, but you do not have to buy the entire thing. > > > > > > > > > > On 1 July 2013 16:23, John R Bartow wrote: > > > > > I thought some of you may be interested in this product: > > > > > > http://www.bitsdujour.com/software/sqlinform-single-user-license/src=d > > > ay?utm > > > > > > _campaign=2649484&utm_content=4867933023&utm_medium=email&utm_source=E > > > mailvi > > > sion > > > jb > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > -- > Arthur > Cell: 647.710.1314 > > Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. > -- Niels Bohr > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From fuller.artful at gmail.com Wed Jul 3 17:25:42 2013 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2013 18:25:42 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] SQLinForm - Standardized SQL Formatting in One Click In-Reply-To: References: <012f01ce766e$f1f04aa0$d5d0dfe0$@winhaven.net> <001e01ce777f$b3fa4b80$1beee280$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: LOL. It''s pretty much impossible to do better than Ref Gate. They do it all superbly. On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 3:51 PM, Mark Breen wrote: > Hi Arthur, > > thanks for the confirmation. > > I agree, I usually have to shut up because I sound so enthusiastic about > them. > > Their sql compare products are great, the prompt and format are great, > their search is great, their data generation utility is great. > The doc tool works ok, same as the doc tool in access was ok > Their backup tool is great, but it is expensive. I use expressmaint for > backup usually or else I script the backup myself. > > > > > > On 3 July 2013 17:58, Arthur Fuller wrote: > > > Mark and John, > > > > You won't find a larger enthusiast of the Red Gate tools than me. In > fact, > > I even write for their publication (Simple-Talk.com) occasionally.I think > > that these people do everything right. > > > > > > On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 7:55 PM, John R Bartow > > wrote: > > > > > Thanks Mark, I'll check it out. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 2:43 AM > > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] SQLinForm - Standardized SQL Formatting in One > > > Click > > > > > > Hello John, > > > > > > I have been using RedGate SQL Prompt for the last 3 - 4 years. It is > the > > > best piece of software on my machine. > > > > > > Given a choice of Office or SQL Prompt, I would use Wordpad and keep > SQL > > > Prompt. It has a quick format feature that gives perfect SQL every > time. > > > > > > It also has a free tool named sql search, which is really useful also. > > > > > > Redgate sell the tool belt, but you do not have to buy the entire > thing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 1 July 2013 16:23, John R Bartow wrote: > > > > > > > I thought some of you may be interested in this product: > > > > > > > > > http://www.bitsdujour.com/software/sqlinform-single-user-license/src=d > > > > ay?utm > > > > > > > > > _campaign=2649484&utm_content=4867933023&utm_medium=email&utm_source=E > > > > mailvi > > > > sion > > > > jb > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Arthur > > Cell: 647.710.1314 > > > > Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. > > -- Niels Bohr > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. -- Niels Bohr From accessd at shaw.ca Thu Jul 11 18:32:14 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2013 16:32:14 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] It is time to dump MySQL In-Reply-To: References: <012f01ce766e$f1f04aa0$d5d0dfe0$@winhaven.net><001e01ce777f$b3fa4b80$1beee280$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: <2CF9511F58E644F98394A99BCFA9EE45@server2003> There are many compelling reason to dump MySQL and those reason grow and become stronger every day. I will predict that within five years only those developer scared of any future change will still be using the product. According to some monitoring, MySQL downloads have been dropping at an incremental increasing rate per year. This year was three percent, next year may be five or even eight percent and so on. We have not witnessed such a exodus since IE 6. Here is a list of five compelling reasons to move on. http://blog.smartbear.com/open-source/5-reasons-its-time-to-ditch-mysql/ Jim From fuller.artful at gmail.com Thu Jul 11 19:23:25 2013 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2013 20:23:25 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Hardware Inside Out Message-ID: As an officially self-described semi-retired senior citizen, whose former living was made entiely is MS-related products, mostly Office-VBA and SQL-Server, and who ran Linux in a VM, I want to reverse this stuff. I want Linux Mint to be my native boot, and thereafter run Office etc. as VMs, in case, and it probably will happen, that some client will want fixes or enhancements to apps that I wrote years ago. I'm dealing with aging hardware, a mere 4GB of RAM, and a couple of hard disks and a couple of USB hard disks. I've read the lit and tried it a couple of times, but have never yet succeeded in a dual-boot. It just keeps forking up, and then I waste a few days re-establishing what used to work. I want to boot into Mint 14 and then have a VirtualBox VM set up with Office 2007 just in case some previous client calls, so I could remain the faithful servant and possibly make a couple of dollars here and there. Windows and its attendant licensing agreements are what I wish to escape, forever. A couple of VMs running under Linux should enable me to provide this service. But I'm a tad frightened by the task-list involved in turning this setup inside-out. Goals: 1. Save everything important that is not resident on local hard disks. 2. Wipe the space. 3. Install any virgin of Linux, current choice Mint 14. 4. If everything fails, have Recover Proccess. 5. The most important things are the documents and Access/SQL/MySQL apps that I have written, just in case I have to perform some maintenance on the latter. Everything else is either irrelevant or reinstallable. I can do all that from within a Windows 7 VM running in Oracle VirtualBox, I think. 6. In the past, I have tried to install Linux side-by-side Win7, and every time it failed to work as expected, so I have a tad of trepidation. I suppose that one of the most inexpensive strategies is to score a 1TB USB 3.0 external hard disk, copy everthing that is currently stored on the main drive, fry it and start over. But in case it goes sideways, I'll need all that old data, and we're talking several GB of documents and data I'm concerned with. The documents are relatively trivial to deal with, although there is a large number of documents, and this could require several dual-layer DVDs. The databases are a tad more complex. A few of them are over 30GB each I have a wonderful program called Navicat that can easily port an MS-SQL db to MySQL and then back it up, so I could burn those to DVD. I have another program that can convert an Access database to MySQL So maybe the simplest solution is to go buy a 1TB USB3 external device, copy everything there, and then fry the Win7 install and switch to Mint, then install VirtualBox, and then install or else restore the Win7 backup just in case. Suggestions and novel approaches are invited. TIA -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. -- Niels Bohr From accessd at shaw.ca Thu Jul 11 21:01:52 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2013 19:01:52 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Hardware Inside Out In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Arthur: The quick and dirty way to get a dual boot scenario going is first to install a basic version of the Windows you want and then install you favourite Linux. Linux always recognizes the presents of Windows but the reverse is not true. During the Linux installation you will be prompted as to whether you want to have a dual boot option, and responding in affirmative will cause a dual boot grub menu to be created allowing you to choose, at bootup, which OS you would like use. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2013 5:23 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Hardware Inside Out As an officially self-described semi-retired senior citizen, whose former living was made entiely is MS-related products, mostly Office-VBA and SQL-Server, and who ran Linux in a VM, I want to reverse this stuff. I want Linux Mint to be my native boot, and thereafter run Office etc. as VMs, in case, and it probably will happen, that some client will want fixes or enhancements to apps that I wrote years ago. I'm dealing with aging hardware, a mere 4GB of RAM, and a couple of hard disks and a couple of USB hard disks. I've read the lit and tried it a couple of times, but have never yet succeeded in a dual-boot. It just keeps forking up, and then I waste a few days re-establishing what used to work. I want to boot into Mint 14 and then have a VirtualBox VM set up with Office 2007 just in case some previous client calls, so I could remain the faithful servant and possibly make a couple of dollars here and there. Windows and its attendant licensing agreements are what I wish to escape, forever. A couple of VMs running under Linux should enable me to provide this service. But I'm a tad frightened by the task-list involved in turning this setup inside-out. Goals: 1. Save everything important that is not resident on local hard disks. 2. Wipe the space. 3. Install any virgin of Linux, current choice Mint 14. 4. If everything fails, have Recover Proccess. 5. The most important things are the documents and Access/SQL/MySQL apps that I have written, just in case I have to perform some maintenance on the latter. Everything else is either irrelevant or reinstallable. I can do all that from within a Windows 7 VM running in Oracle VirtualBox, I think. 6. In the past, I have tried to install Linux side-by-side Win7, and every time it failed to work as expected, so I have a tad of trepidation. I suppose that one of the most inexpensive strategies is to score a 1TB USB 3.0 external hard disk, copy everthing that is currently stored on the main drive, fry it and start over. But in case it goes sideways, I'll need all that old data, and we're talking several GB of documents and data I'm concerned with. The documents are relatively trivial to deal with, although there is a large number of documents, and this could require several dual-layer DVDs. The databases are a tad more complex. A few of them are over 30GB each I have a wonderful program called Navicat that can easily port an MS-SQL db to MySQL and then back it up, so I could burn those to DVD. I have another program that can convert an Access database to MySQL So maybe the simplest solution is to go buy a 1TB USB3 external device, copy everything there, and then fry the Win7 install and switch to Mint, then install VirtualBox, and then install or else restore the Win7 backup just in case. Suggestions and novel approaches are invited. TIA -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. -- Niels Bohr _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Thu Jul 11 22:04:27 2013 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2013 13:04:27 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] It is time to dump MySQL - NOT In-Reply-To: <2CF9511F58E644F98394A99BCFA9EE45@server2003> References: <012f01ce766e$f1f04aa0$d5d0dfe0$@winhaven.net>, , <2CF9511F58E644F98394A99BCFA9EE45@server2003> Message-ID: <51DF723B.7541.4FA810B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> I followed the link in that article to http://blog.smartbear.com/open-source/5-reasons-to-stick-with-mysql/ I find the second page makes a much more compelling argument for NOT dumping your current investment MySQL. -- Stuart On 11 Jul 2013 at 16:32, Jim Lawrence wrote: > There are many compelling reason to dump MySQL and those reason grow and > become stronger every day. I will predict that within five years only those > developer scared of any future change will still be using the product. > > According to some monitoring, MySQL downloads have been dropping at an > incremental increasing rate per year. This year was three percent, next year > may be five or even eight percent and so on. We have not witnessed such a > exodus since IE 6. > > Here is a list of five compelling reasons to move on. > http://blog.smartbear.com/open-source/5-reasons-its-time-to-ditch-mysql/ > > Jim > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From peter.brawley at earthlink.net Thu Jul 11 22:24:07 2013 From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley) Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2013 22:24:07 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] It is time to dump MySQL - NOT In-Reply-To: <51DF723B.7541.4FA810B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <012f01ce766e$f1f04aa0$d5d0dfe0$@winhaven.net>, , <2CF9511F58E644F98394A99BCFA9EE45@server2003> <51DF723B.7541.4FA810B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <51DF76D7.7020508@earthlink.net> On 2013-07-11 10:04 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote: > I followed the link in that article to > > http://blog.smartbear.com/open-source/5-reasons-to-stick-with-mysql/ > > I find the second page makes a much more compelling argument for NOT dumping your > current investment MySQL. Exactly. And he didn't mention that the mariaDB site still looks like amateur hour at the database factory. Mebbe Monty will get it together, I hope he does (a seriously competitive fork is exactly what Oracle needs to see), but so far he hasn't even caught up with MySQL 5.6 in features, and worse, MariaDB has a l-o-n-g way to go to catch up even with the professionalism of the company Monty sold, never mind that same company five years after he sold it. PB From accessd at shaw.ca Fri Jul 12 12:57:19 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2013 10:57:19 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] It is time to dump MySQL - NOT In-Reply-To: <51DF723B.7541.4FA810B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <012f01ce766e$f1f04aa0$d5d0dfe0$@winhaven.net>, , <2CF9511F58E644F98394A99BCFA9EE45@server2003> <51DF723B.7541.4FA810B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: Hi Stuart and Peter: I never concern myself with the appearance a product website. Being in the OSS world I am quite use to seeing some of the worse websites ever built. Many of these programmers have no concept of design and composition. I have designed sites for many friends who previously had pages that harken back to 1995...but OTOH that does not imply the quality of products. Stuart, if you look at your Basic application developers product source (the name escapes me), assuming nothing has changed in their website's appearance; true 2000 retro, most potential customers, drift by, forgetting the product and even its name. The product developers may spend thousands on development and it would only take a few hundred to bring their site up to post 2010. ...And it would definitely increase their sales...but they appear blissfully unaware of this fact, but maybe they are trying to make some sort of statement. When MariaDB is compared to MySQL its performance is better: http://blog.mariadb.org/sysbench-oltp-mysql-5-6-vs-mariadb-10-0/ Traditionally, OSS products prove to be better, in the long run. (Linux servers vs Microsoft servers) With the potential of thousands of developers, products have a quick debugging and features cycle. Check out the comparisons between OpenOffice, purchased by Oracle and the fork LibraOffice. LibraOffice is pulling away in features, performance and adoption. On a personal note, I have worked with Oracle for many years and even though their database is massively over-priced, their products tend to be very good. Oracles' purchase of their chief competitor, MySQL was a huge coup. The dynamics of Oracle and MySQL are polar opposites and Oracle is now making MySQL just another mini-me. For myself, I find it sad to see the once most used and loved database being converted and bleed of every possible drop of blood...and if MySQL future profits, somehow do not live up to expectations it will be unceremoniously dumped. The truth is that not everyone will abandon MySQL...there will always be dedicated supporters but all the leading edge, new age and startup companies are dropping it and/or are slowly phasing out the product. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2013 8:04 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] It is time to dump MySQL - NOT I followed the link in that article to http://blog.smartbear.com/open-source/5-reasons-to-stick-with-mysql/ I find the second page makes a much more compelling argument for NOT dumping your current investment MySQL. -- Stuart On 11 Jul 2013 at 16:32, Jim Lawrence wrote: > There are many compelling reason to dump MySQL and those reason grow and > become stronger every day. I will predict that within five years only those > developer scared of any future change will still be using the product. > > According to some monitoring, MySQL downloads have been dropping at an > incremental increasing rate per year. This year was three percent, next year > may be five or even eight percent and so on. We have not witnessed such a > exodus since IE 6. > > Here is a list of five compelling reasons to move on. > http://blog.smartbear.com/open-source/5-reasons-its-time-to-ditch-mysql/ > > Jim > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From peter.brawley at earthlink.net Fri Jul 12 13:59:00 2013 From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley) Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2013 13:59:00 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] It is time to dump MySQL - NOT In-Reply-To: References: <012f01ce766e$f1f04aa0$d5d0dfe0$@winhaven.net>, , <2CF9511F58E644F98394A99BCFA9EE45@server2003> <51DF723B.7541.4FA810B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <51E051F4.20106@earthlink.net> On 2013-07-12 12:57 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Hi Stuart and Peter: > > I never concern myself with the appearance a product website. Give your interlocutors a wee bit of credit, Jim. It's not about the appearance of the website. It's not even about the fractured English. It's about the /content/---eg they don't yet have production-level compatibility with MySQL 5.6, a manual, or user fora. > Being in the > OSS world I am quite use to seeing some of the worse websites ever built. > Many of these programmers have no concept of design and composition. I have > designed sites for many friends who previously had pages that harken back to > 1995...but OTOH that does not imply the quality of products. > > Stuart, if you look at your Basic application developers product source (the > name escapes me), assuming nothing has changed in their website's > appearance; true 2000 retro, most potential customers, drift by, forgetting > the product and even its name. The product developers may spend thousands on > development and it would only take a few hundred to bring their site up to > post 2010. ...And it would definitely increase their sales...but they appear > blissfully unaware of this fact, but maybe they are trying to make some sort > of statement. > > When MariaDB is compared to MySQL its performance is better: > > http://blog.mariadb.org/sysbench-oltp-mysql-5-6-vs-mariadb-10-0/ MariaDB's results favour MariaDB, for the most part marginally. Oracle's results for MySQL look different .Until we see independent 3P replication of such results, take them with a grain of salt. Note too MariaDB 10 is alpha, and has yet to incorporate some MySQL 5.6 features. > > Traditionally, OSS products prove to be better, in the long run. Perhaps but the exceptions are interesting and large, eg spreadsheets, word processing, presentation software. > (Linux > servers vs Microsoft servers) With the potential of thousands of developers, > products have a quick debugging and features cycle. Check out the > comparisons between OpenOffice, purchased by Oracle and the fork > LibraOffice. LibraOffice is pulling away in features, performance and > adoption. > > On a personal note, I have worked with Oracle for many years and even though > their database is massively over-priced, their products tend to be very > good. Oracles' purchase of their chief competitor, MySQL was a huge coup. > The dynamics of Oracle and MySQL are polar opposites and Oracle is now > making MySQL just another mini-me. For myself, I find it sad to see the once > most used and loved database being converted and bleed of every possible > drop of blood...and if MySQL future profits, somehow do not live up to > expectations it will be unceremoniously dumped. > > The truth is that not everyone will abandon MySQL...there will always be > dedicated supporters but all the leading edge, new age and startup companies > are dropping it and/or are slowly phasing out the product. For me this has nothing to do with loyalty, everything to do with what a user can gain from each product. PB ----- > > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan > Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2013 8:04 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: [dba-Tech] It is time to dump MySQL - NOT > > I followed the link in that article to > > http://blog.smartbear.com/open-source/5-reasons-to-stick-with-mysql/ > > I find the second page makes a much more compelling argument for NOT dumping > your > current investment MySQL. > From fuller.artful at gmail.com Thu Jul 18 10:35:22 2013 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2013 11:35:22 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Latest FireFox Message-ID: I got some mail from Mozilla claiming that the new rev. of FireFox is the fastest browser available. I don't have scientific results yet but it sure does seem faster than Chrome, by a long shot. -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. -- Niels Bohr From eptept at gmail.com Fri Jul 19 12:11:38 2013 From: eptept at gmail.com (Ed Tesiny) Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2013 13:11:38 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Transferring data between desktops (cross posted) Message-ID: I haven't done this in a long time. I know I can create a bunch of CDs and move the data over but is there an easier way like cabling the two together somehow. Duh, you always get a little smarter when you hit the send key. I have a 500 Gb external hard drive and the hard drive on my old PC is 150 Gb, so would that be the way to go? MTIA, Ed From garykjos at gmail.com Fri Jul 19 12:19:47 2013 From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2013 12:19:47 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Transferring data between desktops (cross posted) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Yes to the external drive being the easiest since you have it on hand.. But you don't have a router and a network set up for all your computers etc to share your internet connection? I would normally just copy files across the network from one machine to another. Windows has built in file transfer using that. On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 12:11 PM, Ed Tesiny wrote: > I haven't done this in a long time. I know I can create a bunch of CDs and > move the data over but is there an easier way like cabling the two together > somehow. Duh, you always get a little smarter when you hit the send key. I > have a 500 Gb external hard drive and the hard drive on my old PC is 150 > Gb, so would that be the way to go? > MTIA, > Ed > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com From eptept at gmail.com Fri Jul 19 12:29:13 2013 From: eptept at gmail.com (Ed Tesiny) Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2013 13:29:13 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Transferring data between desktops (cross posted) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Gary, yes I have a router and all the laptops access the internet over the network but wouldn't I need a wireless adapter for the old PC? On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 1:19 PM, Gary Kjos wrote: > Yes to the external drive being the easiest since you have it on hand.. > > But you don't have a router and a network set up for all your computers etc > to share your internet connection? > > I would normally just copy files across the network from one machine to > another. Windows has built in file transfer using that. > > > On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 12:11 PM, Ed Tesiny wrote: > > > I haven't done this in a long time. I know I can create a bunch of CDs > and > > move the data over but is there an easier way like cabling the two > together > > somehow. Duh, you always get a little smarter when you hit the send > key. I > > have a 500 Gb external hard drive and the hard drive on my old PC is 150 > > Gb, so would that be the way to go? > > MTIA, > > Ed > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > -- > Gary Kjos > garykjos at gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From garykjos at gmail.com Fri Jul 19 12:33:23 2013 From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2013 12:33:23 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Transferring data between desktops (cross posted) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Normally a router has 4 wired ports in addition to the wireless. On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 12:29 PM, Ed Tesiny wrote: > Gary, yes I have a router and all the laptops access the internet over the > network but wouldn't I need a wireless adapter for the old PC? > > > On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 1:19 PM, Gary Kjos wrote: > > > Yes to the external drive being the easiest since you have it on hand.. > > > > But you don't have a router and a network set up for all your computers > etc > > to share your internet connection? > > > > I would normally just copy files across the network from one machine to > > another. Windows has built in file transfer using that. > > > > > > On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 12:11 PM, Ed Tesiny wrote: > > > > > I haven't done this in a long time. I know I can create a bunch of CDs > > and > > > move the data over but is there an easier way like cabling the two > > together > > > somehow. Duh, you always get a little smarter when you hit the send > > key. I > > > have a 500 Gb external hard drive and the hard drive on my old PC is > 150 > > > Gb, so would that be the way to go? > > > MTIA, > > > Ed > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Gary Kjos > > garykjos at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com From eptept at gmail.com Fri Jul 19 12:36:55 2013 From: eptept at gmail.com (Ed Tesiny) Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2013 13:36:55 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Transferring data between desktops (cross posted) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Your RIGHT, so I only need a wire to connect the new PC to the router? On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 1:33 PM, Gary Kjos wrote: > Normally a router has 4 wired ports in addition to the wireless. > > > On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 12:29 PM, Ed Tesiny wrote: > > > Gary, yes I have a router and all the laptops access the internet over > the > > network but wouldn't I need a wireless adapter for the old PC? > > > > > > On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 1:19 PM, Gary Kjos wrote: > > > > > Yes to the external drive being the easiest since you have it on hand.. > > > > > > But you don't have a router and a network set up for all your computers > > etc > > > to share your internet connection? > > > > > > I would normally just copy files across the network from one machine to > > > another. Windows has built in file transfer using that. > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 12:11 PM, Ed Tesiny wrote: > > > > > > > I haven't done this in a long time. I know I can create a bunch of > CDs > > > and > > > > move the data over but is there an easier way like cabling the two > > > together > > > > somehow. Duh, you always get a little smarter when you hit the send > > > key. I > > > > have a 500 Gb external hard drive and the hard drive on my old PC is > > 150 > > > > Gb, so would that be the way to go? > > > > MTIA, > > > > Ed > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Gary Kjos > > > garykjos at gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > -- > Gary Kjos > garykjos at gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From accessd at shaw.ca Fri Jul 19 12:47:36 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2013 11:47:36 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?The_former_NSA_official_held_his_thumb_and_f?= =?utf-8?q?orefinger_close_together=3A_=E2=80=9CWe_are_that_far_from_a_tur?= =?utf-8?q?nkey_totalitarian_state=2E=E2=80=9D?= In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <2033071745.9790263.1374256056058.JavaMail.root@cds002> Here is a interesting article on the world's center of communications and control. http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2012/03/ff_nsadatacenter/all/1 The NSA believes it?s on the verge of breaking a key encryption algorithm?opening up hoards of data. (Like the industry standard "unbreakable" encryption called AE256/4096-SHA used in all industries VPNs?) It has also been noted that they are also working towards either breaking, outlawing or resolving this issues with capturing data sent through "torrents" which have so far remained elusive. Jim From garykjos at gmail.com Fri Jul 19 12:55:01 2013 From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2013 12:55:01 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Transferring data between desktops (cross posted) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Yes. An ethernet patch cord. On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 12:36 PM, Ed Tesiny wrote: > Your RIGHT, so I only need a wire to connect the new PC to the router? > > > On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 1:33 PM, Gary Kjos wrote: > > > Normally a router has 4 wired ports in addition to the wireless. > > > > > > On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 12:29 PM, Ed Tesiny wrote: > > > > > Gary, yes I have a router and all the laptops access the internet over > > the > > > network but wouldn't I need a wireless adapter for the old PC? > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 1:19 PM, Gary Kjos wrote: > > > > > > > Yes to the external drive being the easiest since you have it on > hand.. > > > > > > > > But you don't have a router and a network set up for all your > computers > > > etc > > > > to share your internet connection? > > > > > > > > I would normally just copy files across the network from one machine > to > > > > another. Windows has built in file transfer using that. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 12:11 PM, Ed Tesiny > wrote: > > > > > > > > > I haven't done this in a long time. I know I can create a bunch of > > CDs > > > > and > > > > > move the data over but is there an easier way like cabling the two > > > > together > > > > > somehow. Duh, you always get a little smarter when you hit the > send > > > > key. I > > > > > have a 500 Gb external hard drive and the hard drive on my old PC > is > > > 150 > > > > > Gb, so would that be the way to go? > > > > > MTIA, > > > > > Ed > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Gary Kjos > > > > garykjos at gmail.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Gary Kjos > > garykjos at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com From eptept at gmail.com Fri Jul 19 13:02:43 2013 From: eptept at gmail.com (Ed Tesiny) Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2013 14:02:43 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Transferring data between desktops (cross posted) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Gary, Thanks so much for the info. It would be great to be able to use both PCs. You can move data, pictures, etc., over without much trouble but applications, no. Just have to make some room for it... On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 1:55 PM, Gary Kjos wrote: > Yes. An ethernet patch cord. > > > On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 12:36 PM, Ed Tesiny wrote: > > > Your RIGHT, so I only need a wire to connect the new PC to the router? > > > > > > On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 1:33 PM, Gary Kjos wrote: > > > > > Normally a router has 4 wired ports in addition to the wireless. > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 12:29 PM, Ed Tesiny wrote: > > > > > > > Gary, yes I have a router and all the laptops access the internet > over > > > the > > > > network but wouldn't I need a wireless adapter for the old PC? > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 1:19 PM, Gary Kjos > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Yes to the external drive being the easiest since you have it on > > hand.. > > > > > > > > > > But you don't have a router and a network set up for all your > > computers > > > > etc > > > > > to share your internet connection? > > > > > > > > > > I would normally just copy files across the network from one > machine > > to > > > > > another. Windows has built in file transfer using that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 12:11 PM, Ed Tesiny > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > I haven't done this in a long time. I know I can create a bunch > of > > > CDs > > > > > and > > > > > > move the data over but is there an easier way like cabling the > two > > > > > together > > > > > > somehow. Duh, you always get a little smarter when you hit the > > send > > > > > key. I > > > > > > have a 500 Gb external hard drive and the hard drive on my old PC > > is > > > > 150 > > > > > > Gb, so would that be the way to go? > > > > > > MTIA, > > > > > > Ed > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Gary Kjos > > > > > garykjos at gmail.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Gary Kjos > > > garykjos at gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > -- > Gary Kjos > garykjos at gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From jbartow at winhaven.net Fri Jul 19 13:04:56 2013 From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow) Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2013 13:04:56 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Transferring data between desktops (cross posted) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <02a801ce84aa$7a696f80$6f3c4e80$@winhaven.net> ditto -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 12:20 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Cc: Off Topic Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Transferring data between desktops (cross posted) Yes to the external drive being the easiest since you have it on hand.. But you don't have a router and a network set up for all your computers etc to share your internet connection? I would normally just copy files across the network from one machine to another. Windows has built in file transfer using that. On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 12:11 PM, Ed Tesiny wrote: > I haven't done this in a long time. I know I can create a bunch of > CDs and move the data over but is there an easier way like cabling the > two together somehow. Duh, you always get a little smarter when you > hit the send key. I have a 500 Gb external hard drive and the hard > drive on my old PC is 150 Gb, so would that be the way to go? > MTIA, > Ed > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From garykjos at gmail.com Fri Jul 19 13:11:52 2013 From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2013 13:11:52 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Transferring data between desktops (cross posted) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: There are some utilities that try to move applications but really you are better off just reinstalling on the new machine. You should evaluate what applications you really want on that new machine and if you should have a newer version that is possibly better suited for the newer OS verses the version on the old system. On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 1:02 PM, Ed Tesiny wrote: > Gary, Thanks so much for the info. It would be great to be able to use > both PCs. You can move data, pictures, etc., over without much trouble but > applications, no. > > Just have to make some room for it... > > > On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 1:55 PM, Gary Kjos wrote: > > > Yes. An ethernet patch cord. > > > > > > On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 12:36 PM, Ed Tesiny wrote: > > > > > Your RIGHT, so I only need a wire to connect the new PC to the router? > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 1:33 PM, Gary Kjos wrote: > > > > > > > Normally a router has 4 wired ports in addition to the wireless. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 12:29 PM, Ed Tesiny > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Gary, yes I have a router and all the laptops access the internet > > over > > > > the > > > > > network but wouldn't I need a wireless adapter for the old PC? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 1:19 PM, Gary Kjos > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Yes to the external drive being the easiest since you have it on > > > hand.. > > > > > > > > > > > > But you don't have a router and a network set up for all your > > > computers > > > > > etc > > > > > > to share your internet connection? > > > > > > > > > > > > I would normally just copy files across the network from one > > machine > > > to > > > > > > another. Windows has built in file transfer using that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 12:11 PM, Ed Tesiny > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > I haven't done this in a long time. I know I can create a > bunch > > of > > > > CDs > > > > > > and > > > > > > > move the data over but is there an easier way like cabling the > > two > > > > > > together > > > > > > > somehow. Duh, you always get a little smarter when you hit the > > > send > > > > > > key. I > > > > > > > have a 500 Gb external hard drive and the hard drive on my old > PC > > > is > > > > > 150 > > > > > > > Gb, so would that be the way to go? > > > > > > > MTIA, > > > > > > > Ed > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > > > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Gary Kjos > > > > > > garykjos at gmail.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Gary Kjos > > > > garykjos at gmail.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Gary Kjos > > garykjos at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com From jbartow at winhaven.net Fri Jul 19 16:05:05 2013 From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow) Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2013 16:05:05 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Transferring data between desktops (cross posted) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <02e201ce84c3$a5486f80$efd94e80$@winhaven.net> If your wireless and Ethernet router is one in the same then you should be able to share folders between everything regardless of connection type. That is unless you specifically blocked wireless access to your LAN, which is never the default on consumer models. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Ed Tesiny Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 12:29 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Transferring data between desktops (cross posted) Gary, yes I have a router and all the laptops access the internet over the network but wouldn't I need a wireless adapter for the old PC? On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 1:19 PM, Gary Kjos wrote: > Yes to the external drive being the easiest since you have it on hand.. > > But you don't have a router and a network set up for all your > computers etc to share your internet connection? > > I would normally just copy files across the network from one machine > to another. Windows has built in file transfer using that. > > > On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 12:11 PM, Ed Tesiny wrote: > > > I haven't done this in a long time. I know I can create a bunch of > > CDs > and > > move the data over but is there an easier way like cabling the two > together > > somehow. Duh, you always get a little smarter when you hit the send > key. I > > have a 500 Gb external hard drive and the hard drive on my old PC is > > 150 Gb, so would that be the way to go? > > MTIA, > > Ed > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > -- > Gary Kjos > garykjos at gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jbartow at winhaven.net Fri Jul 19 16:35:23 2013 From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow) Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2013 16:35:23 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Transferring data between desktops (cross posted) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <02e301ce84c7$e10061a0$a30124e0$@winhaven.net> Agree, I've tried the application moving utilities and they make a mess of things. You could use the Windows Easy Transfer utility program, its built in to Windows 7. (It's a free download from Microsoft if you are transferring from Windows XP) to move your files and settings. That makes it a bit easier since you don't have to redo all of your setup configurations. In that case its easiest to use the external drive. Sometimes it actually takes longer via the network if you have a lot of files. Plus you then have a backup of everything should things go totally bad. Good luck! -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 1:12 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Transferring data between desktops (cross posted) There are some utilities that try to move applications but really you are better off just reinstalling on the new machine. You should evaluate what applications you really want on that new machine and if you should have a newer version that is possibly better suited for the newer OS verses the version on the old system. On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 1:02 PM, Ed Tesiny wrote: > Gary, Thanks so much for the info. It would be great to be able to > use both PCs. You can move data, pictures, etc., over without much > trouble but applications, no. > > Just have to make some room for it... > > > On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 1:55 PM, Gary Kjos wrote: > > > Yes. An ethernet patch cord. > > > > > > On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 12:36 PM, Ed Tesiny wrote: > > > > > Your RIGHT, so I only need a wire to connect the new PC to the router? > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 1:33 PM, Gary Kjos wrote: > > > > > > > Normally a router has 4 wired ports in addition to the wireless. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 12:29 PM, Ed Tesiny > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Gary, yes I have a router and all the laptops access the > > > > > internet > > over > > > > the > > > > > network but wouldn't I need a wireless adapter for the old PC? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 1:19 PM, Gary Kjos > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Yes to the external drive being the easiest since you have > > > > > > it on > > > hand.. > > > > > > > > > > > > But you don't have a router and a network set up for all > > > > > > your > > > computers > > > > > etc > > > > > > to share your internet connection? > > > > > > > > > > > > I would normally just copy files across the network from one > > machine > > > to > > > > > > another. Windows has built in file transfer using that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 12:11 PM, Ed Tesiny > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > I haven't done this in a long time. I know I can create a > bunch > > of > > > > CDs > > > > > > and > > > > > > > move the data over but is there an easier way like cabling > > > > > > > the > > two > > > > > > together > > > > > > > somehow. Duh, you always get a little smarter when you > > > > > > > hit the > > > send > > > > > > key. I > > > > > > > have a 500 Gb external hard drive and the hard drive on my > > > > > > > old > PC > > > is > > > > > 150 > > > > > > > Gb, so would that be the way to go? > > > > > > > MTIA, > > > > > > > Ed > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > > > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Gary Kjos > > > > > > garykjos at gmail.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Gary Kjos > > > > garykjos at gmail.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Gary Kjos > > garykjos at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From eptept at gmail.com Fri Jul 19 16:51:51 2013 From: eptept at gmail.com (Ed Tesiny) Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2013 17:51:51 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Transferring data between desktops (cross posted) In-Reply-To: <02e201ce84c3$a5486f80$efd94e80$@winhaven.net> References: <02e201ce84c3$a5486f80$efd94e80$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: I know you're right John but there must be something I missing because I can't share files between my laptops and desktop. It like when i tried to get the printer that connected to the desktop to be accessed by the laptops, no go, I probably am just not network savy enough. Sigh... On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 5:05 PM, John R Bartow wrote: > If your wireless and Ethernet router is one in the same then you should be > able to share folders between everything regardless of connection type. > That > is unless you specifically blocked wireless access to your LAN, which is > never the default on consumer models. > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Ed Tesiny > Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 12:29 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Transferring data between desktops (cross posted) > > Gary, yes I have a router and all the laptops access the internet over the > network but wouldn't I need a wireless adapter for the old PC? > > > On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 1:19 PM, Gary Kjos wrote: > > > Yes to the external drive being the easiest since you have it on hand.. > > > > But you don't have a router and a network set up for all your > > computers etc to share your internet connection? > > > > I would normally just copy files across the network from one machine > > to another. Windows has built in file transfer using that. > > > > > > On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 12:11 PM, Ed Tesiny wrote: > > > > > I haven't done this in a long time. I know I can create a bunch of > > > CDs > > and > > > move the data over but is there an easier way like cabling the two > > together > > > somehow. Duh, you always get a little smarter when you hit the send > > key. I > > > have a 500 Gb external hard drive and the hard drive on my old PC is > > > 150 Gb, so would that be the way to go? > > > MTIA, > > > Ed > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Gary Kjos > > garykjos at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Sat Jul 20 00:15:21 2013 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2013 22:15:21 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Transferring data between desktops (cross posted) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <803C9F1194784A1A82A8CFAB531478DD@HAL9007> Oh old PC - the wireless transfer rate would be really slow. It doesn't matter since you can do anything else while the transfer's going on. But really the external HD sounds like the hot setup. r -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Ed Tesiny Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 10:29 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Transferring data between desktops (cross posted) Gary, yes I have a router and all the laptops access the internet over the network but wouldn't I need a wireless adapter for the old PC? On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 1:19 PM, Gary Kjos wrote: > Yes to the external drive being the easiest since you have it on hand.. > > But you don't have a router and a network set up for all your > computers etc to share your internet connection? > > I would normally just copy files across the network from one machine > to another. Windows has built in file transfer using that. > > > On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 12:11 PM, Ed Tesiny wrote: > > > I haven't done this in a long time. I know I can create a bunch of > > CDs > and > > move the data over but is there an easier way like cabling the two > together > > somehow. Duh, you always get a little smarter when you hit the send > key. I > > have a 500 Gb external hard drive and the hard drive on my old PC is > > 150 Gb, so would that be the way to go? > > MTIA, > > Ed > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > -- > Gary Kjos > garykjos at gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From garykjos at gmail.com Sat Jul 20 06:35:59 2013 From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2013 06:35:59 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Transferring data between desktops (cross posted) In-Reply-To: References: <02e201ce84c3$a5486f80$efd94e80$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: You have to jump through some hoops to share drives or folders etc. Some tweaking on each side. Mostly on the source side though. You have to SHARE the stuff you want to share. With different versions of Windows it can sometimes seem finicky to get going. The external drive will be the fastest and easiest for a one time thing. If you wanted to do it more often the network solution would win out. I've got sharing going between most of my systems and it's nice to be able to do that. I'm running gigabit network speed between some of them and that makes a big difference in the time it takes to do lots of data. On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 4:51 PM, Ed Tesiny wrote: > I know you're right John but there must be something I missing because I > can't share files between my laptops and desktop. It like when i tried to > get the printer that connected to the desktop to be accessed by the > laptops, no go, I probably am just not network savy enough. Sigh... > > > On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 5:05 PM, John R Bartow > wrote: > > > If your wireless and Ethernet router is one in the same then you should > be > > able to share folders between everything regardless of connection type. > > That > > is unless you specifically blocked wireless access to your LAN, which is > > never the default on consumer models. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Ed Tesiny > > Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 12:29 PM > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Transferring data between desktops (cross posted) > > > > Gary, yes I have a router and all the laptops access the internet over > the > > network but wouldn't I need a wireless adapter for the old PC? > > > > > > On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 1:19 PM, Gary Kjos wrote: > > > > > Yes to the external drive being the easiest since you have it on hand.. > > > > > > But you don't have a router and a network set up for all your > > > computers etc to share your internet connection? > > > > > > I would normally just copy files across the network from one machine > > > to another. Windows has built in file transfer using that. > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 12:11 PM, Ed Tesiny wrote: > > > > > > > I haven't done this in a long time. I know I can create a bunch of > > > > CDs > > > and > > > > move the data over but is there an easier way like cabling the two > > > together > > > > somehow. Duh, you always get a little smarter when you hit the send > > > key. I > > > > have a 500 Gb external hard drive and the hard drive on my old PC is > > > > 150 Gb, so would that be the way to go? > > > > MTIA, > > > > Ed > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Gary Kjos > > > garykjos at gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Mon Jul 22 07:16:13 2013 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2013 08:16:13 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] SSL or SSH or Other? Message-ID: I'm working on a project called TLM, as described briefly below. Any networking experts have any suggestions? Hi Arthur, I just submitted the following ticket to my data center and wanted you to have a look in case it was something you wanted to work on. It would kill two birds with one stone, as it would also solve your connection issue that is still preventing you from being able to test TLM in its minimum performance configuration (ie when connected to a datacenter) ?We have been redesigning our application to work with an ODBC connection to the MySQL database on a Firehost server, and have been allowing limited client access by making port open requests. This has been doable during the initial development of this new version, as not many clients have been given access to this version yet. We are going to need a better solution, mostly for traveling users who aren't going to want to wait for a port to be opened from an IP address they are only going to use once or twice. I'm looking for strategy suggestions that would be the best long term solution. We looked into SSH a little, but haven't been able to implement anything that worked. I know SSL might be an option, and ideally I could build the security into the application so that the user just needed to configure the IP address of the firehost server they have been assigned to and then the MySQL security would let them into the correct database once they where through your firewall and at the correct server. Since network security was your forte, I thought I would see if anyone there had any thoughts on the issue that might be relevant to a strategy that would work best for your data center.? Right now the only ways into the datacenter are via a VPN connection, or if they open 3306 to a specific IP address. I?m not enough of a security expert to know which direction to head on this one, and which direction seems like the best bet for building something into TLM that would accomplish the security handshake automatically based on minimum credentials configured in TLM. Hope all is well, David Thanks in advance for any suggestions -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. -- Niels Bohr From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Jul 22 11:29:54 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2013 10:29:54 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] Anti PRISM storage device In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1707739282.11508624.1374510594346.JavaMail.root@cds002> This looks very interesting... Plug, Possible Anti-PRISM Storage Device, Nearly Triples Kickstarter Fundraising Goal In Just 2 Days! http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/12/anti-prism-kickstarter-cloud-guys-corporation_n_3586427.html ...and the actual Kickster web for this device has gone viral on the internet. http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/cloud-guys/plug-the-brain-of-your-devices Note: This device is great if you have only a few devices and storage locations but if capacity is greater but if your house is full of computers it is recommended that think about a FreeNAS box (stand alone home/business computer). http://www.freenas.org/ and http://www.freenas.org/for-home.html and http://www.freenas.org/about/features.html For this product you can buy your own box or just use some thing old but it must be 64bit; post 2006. Jim From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Jul 22 12:28:26 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2013 11:28:26 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] SSL or SSH or Other? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <437581529.11570042.1374514106132.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi Arthur: I am hardly an network expert but for secure connection across internet I would suggest a VPN type network. If done properly, staff with the appropriate usernames and passwords can connect in to business network through either standard or a specific dedicated address:port installed on the company's router. There are a slew of VPN products out there with all sort of features and costs. I have one that is installed on my laptop which gives me full access to my entire network when I am on the road...it supports any protocol as its is only a tunnel, even RDP. It is called OpenVPN (http://openvpn.net/) and as my resource are limited the price is right. The product has clients for any OS but server end must be Linux based...not a problem for yourself as it runs fine on any version of Distro, that uses Debian. If the business wants their server end hosted it will cost $6.00 per connection per year (I am sure there are volume discounts). I would recommend you set up your own in-house server as once setup properly it can left to its own devices as it just works. The beauty of hosting is that once a connection is established the client and server are directly linked, no third party intervention is needed. This is of course is great for security and in the age of PRISM this becomes so very important. HTH Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arthur Fuller" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Monday, July 22, 2013 5:16:13 AM Subject: [dba-Tech] SSL or SSH or Other? I'm working on a project called TLM, as described briefly below. Any networking experts have any suggestions? Hi Arthur, I just submitted the following ticket to my data center and wanted you to have a look in case it was something you wanted to work on. It would kill two birds with one stone, as it would also solve your connection issue that is still preventing you from being able to test TLM in its minimum performance configuration (ie when connected to a datacenter) ?We have been redesigning our application to work with an ODBC connection to the MySQL database on a Firehost server, and have been allowing limited client access by making port open requests. This has been doable during the initial development of this new version, as not many clients have been given access to this version yet. We are going to need a better solution, mostly for traveling users who aren't going to want to wait for a port to be opened from an IP address they are only going to use once or twice. I'm looking for strategy suggestions that would be the best long term solution. We looked into SSH a little, but haven't been able to implement anything that worked. I know SSL might be an option, and ideally I could build the security into the application so that the user just needed to configure the IP address of the firehost server they have been assigned to and then the MySQL security would let them into the correct database once they where through your firewall and at the correct server. Since network security was your forte, I thought I would see if anyone there had any thoughts on the issue that might be relevant to a strategy that would work best for your data center.? Right now the only ways into the datacenter are via a VPN connection, or if they open 3306 to a specific IP address. I?m not enough of a security expert to know which direction to head on this one, and which direction seems like the best bet for building something into TLM that would accomplish the security handshake automatically based on minimum credentials configured in TLM. Hope all is well, David Thanks in advance for any suggestions -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. -- Niels Bohr _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From mcp2004 at mail.ru Mon Jul 22 14:48:29 2013 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2013 23:48:29 +0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?Office365=3A_Something_went_wrong_and_we_can?= =?utf-8?q?=27t_sign_you_in_right_now=2E_Please_try_again_later=2E?= Message-ID: <1374522509.65860512@f292.mail.ru> Hi All -- Is anybody here, who is living and working outside US/Canada, using Office 365 for their private needs via your Microsoft Account (MS Live ID)? I must tell you I can't find an easy/any way to get connected to Office 365 *paid* subscription, which I'd like to use for my professional needs. There are *proxy companies* here who seems to provide Office 365 hosting(?) but I'd like to avoid their mediation - it is possible? Thank you. -- ???????????? ?????? From mcp2004 at mail.ru Mon Jul 22 15:17:29 2013 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2013 00:17:29 +0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?SSL_or_SSH_or_Other=3F?= In-Reply-To: <437581529.11570042.1374514106132.JavaMail.root@cds002> References: <437581529.11570042.1374514106132.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: <1374524249.866865901@f325.i.mail.ru> Hi Jim -- "Watch What You Say"! :) (see below) >??in the age of PRISM this becomes so very important It (VPN encryption) might soon become useless: "The NSA Is Building the Country?s Biggest Spy Center (Watch What You Say)" http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2012/03/ff_nsadatacenter/all/1 -- Shamil Monday, July 22, 2013 11:28 AM -06:00 from Jim Lawrence : >Hi Arthur: > >I am hardly an network expert but for secure connection across internet I would suggest a VPN type network. If done properly, staff with the appropriate usernames and passwords can connect in to business network through either standard or a specific dedicated address:port installed on the company's router. > >There are a slew of VPN products out there with all sort of features and costs. I have one that is installed on my laptop which gives me full access to my entire network when I am on the road...it supports any protocol as its is only a tunnel, even RDP. > >It is called OpenVPN ( http://openvpn.net/ ) and as my resource are limited the price is right. The product has clients for any OS but server end must be Linux based...not a problem for yourself as it runs fine on any version of Distro, that uses Debian. If the business wants their server end hosted it will cost $6.00 per connection per year (I am sure there are volume discounts). > >I would recommend you set up your own in-house server as once setup properly it can left to its own devices as it just works. The beauty of hosting is that once a connection is established the client and server are directly linked, no third party intervention is needed. This is of course is great for security and in the age of PRISM this becomes so very important. > >HTH >Jim <<< skipped >>> From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Jul 22 15:30:08 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2013 14:30:08 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] Deepin Linux In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1165193147.11747432.1374525008832.JavaMail.root@cds002> There is a new Linux distro out which has been receiving very high rated reviews called Deepin. It is a product the has been totally written in China by a bunch of geeks there. The attention to detail on this product is spectacular. It has been loosely described as a cross between Windows 7/8 and a Linux distro. http://planet.linuxdeepin.com/2013/06/19/linux-deepin-12-12-is-released/ According to reviewers it is excessively easy to use..."So Easy a 12-year-old Can Use It". Another plus, given that Ubuntu is one of the fastest desktops, Deepin in comparison is far faster...maybe the fastest distro of any type. This product will definitely reside in one of my virtual drives and if it stands up to previous billing, I will be looking for friends and businesses on which to install Deepin. Jim From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Mon Jul 22 15:34:05 2013 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2013 13:34:05 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Deepin Linux In-Reply-To: <1165193147.11747432.1374525008832.JavaMail.root@cds002> References: <1165193147.11747432.1374525008832.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: <0FEAF2790C0143589B49FDB1D8030BC2@HAL9007> "So easy a 60 year old can use it" would have been a better pitch. 12 y.o. can run anything. :) R -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Monday, July 22, 2013 1:30 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Deepin Linux There is a new Linux distro out which has been receiving very high rated reviews called Deepin. It is a product the has been totally written in China by a bunch of geeks there. The attention to detail on this product is spectacular. It has been loosely described as a cross between Windows 7/8 and a Linux distro. http://planet.linuxdeepin.com/2013/06/19/linux-deepin-12-12-is-released/ According to reviewers it is excessively easy to use..."So Easy a 12-year-old Can Use It". Another plus, given that Ubuntu is one of the fastest desktops, Deepin in comparison is far faster...maybe the fastest distro of any type. This product will definitely reside in one of my virtual drives and if it stands up to previous billing, I will be looking for friends and businesses on which to install Deepin. Jim _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk Mon Jul 22 15:38:28 2013 From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid) Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2013 21:38:28 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Deepin Linux In-Reply-To: <0FEAF2790C0143589B49FDB1D8030BC2@HAL9007> References: <1165193147.11747432.1374525008832.JavaMail.root@cds002> <0FEAF2790C0143589B49FDB1D8030BC2@HAL9007> Message-ID: <5B347361-6551-41BA-981C-7CD7783730E6@qub.ac.uk> So you have no issue taking an OS developed by unknown people in China and installing it to run client business? Just curious Martin Sent from my iPad On 22 Jul 2013, at 21:34, "Rocky Smolin" wrote: > "So easy a 60 year old can use it" would have been a better pitch. 12 y.o. > can run anything. :) > > R > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence > Sent: Monday, July 22, 2013 1:30 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: [dba-Tech] Deepin Linux > > There is a new Linux distro out which has been receiving very high rated > reviews called Deepin. > > It is a product the has been totally written in China by a bunch of geeks > there. The attention to detail on this product is spectacular. It has been > loosely described as a cross between Windows 7/8 and a Linux distro. > > http://planet.linuxdeepin.com/2013/06/19/linux-deepin-12-12-is-released/ > > According to reviewers it is excessively easy to use..."So Easy a > 12-year-old Can Use It". Another plus, given that Ubuntu is one of the > fastest desktops, Deepin in comparison is far faster...maybe the fastest > distro of any type. > > This product will definitely reside in one of my virtual drives and if it > stands up to previous billing, I will be looking for friends and businesses > on which to install Deepin. > > Jim > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Jul 22 16:44:47 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2013 15:44:47 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] Office365: Something went wrong and we can't sign you in right now. Please try again later. In-Reply-To: <1374522509.65860512@f292.mail.ru> Message-ID: <98944273.11811990.1374529487323.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi Shamil: Even in Canada that can be a real issue. In some cases I ended up phoning to Microsoft and having them set it up from their end. There is usually a toll free number or even a direct chat service available. I have not have had specific issues with Office 365 but have had to call to resolve issues with re-activations, launching SDExplorer and renewing a product subscription and would suspect your problems may have a similar root. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Softw" Sent: Monday, July 22, 2013 12:48:29 PM Subject: [dba-Tech] Office365: Something went wrong and we can't sign you in right now. Please try again later. Hi All -- Is anybody here, who is living and working outside US/Canada, using Office 365 for their private needs via your Microsoft Account (MS Live ID)? I must tell you I can't find an easy/any way to get connected to Office 365 *paid* subscription, which I'd like to use for my professional needs. There are *proxy companies* here who seems to provide Office 365 hosting(?) but I'd like to avoid their mediation - it is possible? Thank you. -- ???????????? ?????? _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Mon Jul 22 17:32:01 2013 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2013 15:32:01 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] FW: FW: Deepin Linux Message-ID: <806E2B69985B4C628FC365A24A27349E@HAL9007> >From my techno-geek son. Rocky _____ From: Noah Sutton Smolin [mailto:noahsutsmo at gmail.com] Sent: Monday, July 22, 2013 1:43 PM To: Rocky Smolin Subject: Re: FW: [dba-Tech] Deepin Linux I'll stick with Crunchbang; I've tried out over 10 distros, and CB is by far the fastest I've found. And the most configurable. On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 1:34 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote: -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Monday, July 22, 2013 1:30 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Deepin Linux There is a new Linux distro out which has been receiving very high rated reviews called Deepin. It is a product the has been totally written in China by a bunch of geeks there. The attention to detail on this product is spectacular. It has been loosely described as a cross between Windows 7/8 and a Linux distro. http://planet.linuxdeepin.com/2013/06/19/linux-deepin-12-12-is-released/ According to reviewers it is excessively easy to use..."So Easy a 12-year-old Can Use It". Another plus, given that Ubuntu is one of the fastest desktops, Deepin in comparison is far faster...maybe the fastest distro of any type. This product will definitely reside in one of my virtual drives and if it stands up to previous billing, I will be looking for friends and businesses on which to install Deepin. Jim _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Jul 22 17:37:03 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2013 16:37:03 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] SSL or SSH or Other? In-Reply-To: <1374524249.866865901@f325.i.mail.ru> Message-ID: <1803304739.11857882.1374532623414.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi Shamil: According to an article from "Wired", NSA is actively working on being able to break certain ciphers, AES in particular and may even be considering banning other encryption schemes. http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2012/03/ff_nsadatacenter/ So any of your client's current security may be dated in their effectiveness. Note: as a country outside of continental US, you (Canada included) have no oversights and protections afforded by any legal system. Everyone will be profiled and in particular anyone who is politically active anywhere in the world. People may even be considered a low security risk but a security risk none the less. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Monday, July 22, 2013 1:17:29 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] SSL or SSH or Other? Hi Jim -- "Watch What You Say"! :) (see below) >??in the age of PRISM this becomes so very important It (VPN encryption) might soon become useless: "The NSA Is Building the Country?s Biggest Spy Center (Watch What You Say)" http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2012/03/ff_nsadatacenter/all/1 -- Shamil Monday, July 22, 2013 11:28 AM -06:00 from Jim Lawrence : >Hi Arthur: > >I am hardly an network expert but for secure connection across internet I would suggest a VPN type network. If done properly, staff with the appropriate usernames and passwords can connect in to business network through either standard or a specific dedicated address:port installed on the company's router. > >There are a slew of VPN products out there with all sort of features and costs. I have one that is installed on my laptop which gives me full access to my entire network when I am on the road...it supports any protocol as its is only a tunnel, even RDP. > >It is called OpenVPN ( http://openvpn.net/ ) and as my resource are limited the price is right. The product has clients for any OS but server end must be Linux based...not a problem for yourself as it runs fine on any version of Distro, that uses Debian. If the business wants their server end hosted it will cost $6.00 per connection per year (I am sure there are volume discounts). > >I would recommend you set up your own in-house server as once setup properly it can left to its own devices as it just works. The beauty of hosting is that once a connection is established the client and server are directly linked, no third party intervention is needed. This is of course is great for security and in the age of PRISM this becomes so very important. > >HTH >Jim <<< skipped >>> _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Jul 22 17:38:14 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2013 16:38:14 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] Deepin Linux In-Reply-To: <0FEAF2790C0143589B49FDB1D8030BC2@HAL9007> Message-ID: <1271886710.11859103.1374532694575.JavaMail.root@cds002> So true. :-) Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rocky Smolin" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Monday, July 22, 2013 1:34:05 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Deepin Linux "So easy a 60 year old can use it" would have been a better pitch. 12 y.o. can run anything. :) R -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Monday, July 22, 2013 1:30 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Deepin Linux There is a new Linux distro out which has been receiving very high rated reviews called Deepin. It is a product the has been totally written in China by a bunch of geeks there. The attention to detail on this product is spectacular. It has been loosely described as a cross between Windows 7/8 and a Linux distro. http://planet.linuxdeepin.com/2013/06/19/linux-deepin-12-12-is-released/ According to reviewers it is excessively easy to use..."So Easy a 12-year-old Can Use It". Another plus, given that Ubuntu is one of the fastest desktops, Deepin in comparison is far faster...maybe the fastest distro of any type. This product will definitely reside in one of my virtual drives and if it stands up to previous billing, I will be looking for friends and businesses on which to install Deepin. Jim _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Jul 22 17:53:55 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2013 16:53:55 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] Deepin Linux In-Reply-To: <5B347361-6551-41BA-981C-7CD7783730E6@qub.ac.uk> Message-ID: <222764810.11872228.1374533635378.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi Martin: Its Open Source...anyone can view the code and can even, subsequently, download the source and recompile it on their own system. That is the thing with OSS projects, if there is any dodgy crap going on, it will be spotted in an instant. It not proprietary like iOS and Windows OS where no one knows what code is running in the background, how invasive it is or how many back-doors are available. With proprietary code you have to assume that the supplier always have your best interests at heart and will never advantage of your activities or data. It all renders down to a simple act of faith. So to answer your question, "Not at all." Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martin Reid" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Monday, July 22, 2013 1:38:28 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Deepin Linux So you have no issue taking an OS developed by unknown people in China and installing it to run client business? Just curious Martin Sent from my iPad On 22 Jul 2013, at 21:34, "Rocky Smolin" wrote: > "So easy a 60 year old can use it" would have been a better pitch. 12 y.o. > can run anything. :) > > R > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence > Sent: Monday, July 22, 2013 1:30 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: [dba-Tech] Deepin Linux > > There is a new Linux distro out which has been receiving very high rated > reviews called Deepin. > > It is a product the has been totally written in China by a bunch of geeks > there. The attention to detail on this product is spectacular. It has been > loosely described as a cross between Windows 7/8 and a Linux distro. > > http://planet.linuxdeepin.com/2013/06/19/linux-deepin-12-12-is-released/ > > According to reviewers it is excessively easy to use..."So Easy a > 12-year-old Can Use It". Another plus, given that Ubuntu is one of the > fastest desktops, Deepin in comparison is far faster...maybe the fastest > distro of any type. > > This product will definitely reside in one of my virtual drives and if it > stands up to previous billing, I will be looking for friends and businesses > on which to install Deepin. > > Jim > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Jul 22 18:42:16 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2013 17:42:16 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] FW: FW: Deepin Linux In-Reply-To: <806E2B69985B4C628FC365A24A27349E@HAL9007> Message-ID: <1643494125.11908354.1374536536464.JavaMail.root@cds002> Real men only use distros like Arch or the Crunchbang...or more likely they build their systems from the command prompt after compiling the OS from source code. It would be truly embarrassing to use any other pretty or easy to use distro. Been there done that and pretty and easy is nicer especially for a lazy old codger. :-) Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rocky Smolin" To: "List" Sent: Monday, July 22, 2013 3:32:01 PM Subject: [dba-Tech] FW: FW: Deepin Linux >From my techno-geek son. Rocky _____ From: Noah Sutton Smolin [mailto:noahsutsmo at gmail.com] Sent: Monday, July 22, 2013 1:43 PM To: Rocky Smolin Subject: Re: FW: [dba-Tech] Deepin Linux I'll stick with Crunchbang; I've tried out over 10 distros, and CB is by far the fastest I've found. And the most configurable. On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 1:34 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote: -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Monday, July 22, 2013 1:30 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Deepin Linux There is a new Linux distro out which has been receiving very high rated reviews called Deepin. It is a product the has been totally written in China by a bunch of geeks there. The attention to detail on this product is spectacular. It has been loosely described as a cross between Windows 7/8 and a Linux distro. http://planet.linuxdeepin.com/2013/06/19/linux-deepin-12-12-is-released/ According to reviewers it is excessively easy to use..."So Easy a 12-year-old Can Use It". Another plus, given that Ubuntu is one of the fastest desktops, Deepin in comparison is far faster...maybe the fastest distro of any type. This product will definitely reside in one of my virtual drives and if it stands up to previous billing, I will be looking for friends and businesses on which to install Deepin. Jim _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Mon Jul 22 19:45:29 2013 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2013 20:45:29 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] SSL or SSH or Other? In-Reply-To: <1374524249.866865901@f325.i.mail.ru> References: <437581529.11570042.1374514106132.JavaMail.root@cds002> <1374524249.866865901@f325.i.mail.ru> Message-ID: Thanks a lot for your input, guys. I've got some research to do, and I've asked my colleague some questions about configuration to which I lacked immediate answers, so I'll continue looking into this as I await his answers. Meanwhile, I will proffer some opinions: 1. Since the back end is MySQL, a Linux database server is the best possible choice. Why bother with licensing the MS Server stuff when the Linux stuff is both solid and free? 2. Whatever his current configuration is (I'm still awaiting details about his database server), subsequent recommendations will be based on that answer. That's about all I have to offer as I await his responses to my questions. Those responses may or may not limit the choices available. Following Jim's suggestion to investigate OpenVPN.Net, I have visited the site and am currently ignoring the TV and reading the material. And speaking of TV, last night I watched Blood Diamond, of which I have a copy on my bookshelf but haven't watched since its immediate release. What an incredible movie! I don't recall whether Leonardo diCapreo won an Oscar for this film, but if not it's travesty. In every possible way, this film is magnificent -- but most of all, aside from the shots of the African sunsets, is the performance by DiCapreo, and Djiomin Hounsou and Jennifer Connelly -- not to mention the exposure of the blood diamond trade. Please excuse the irrelevant venture into clearly-OT topics, but I found this film so unforgettable that I am still reeling from its power, despite my interests in the original question. Arthur On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 4:17 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote: > Hi Jim -- > > "Watch What You Say"! :) (see below) > > > in the age of PRISM this becomes so very important > It (VPN encryption) might soon become useless: > > "The NSA Is Building the Country?s Biggest Spy Center (Watch What You Say)" > http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2012/03/ff_nsadatacenter/all/1 -- Shamil > > Monday, July 22, 2013 11:28 AM -06:00 from Jim Lawrence : > >Hi Arthur: > > > >I am hardly an network expert but for secure connection across internet I > would suggest a VPN type network. If done properly, staff with the > appropriate usernames and passwords can connect in to business network > through either standard or a specific dedicated address:port installed on > the company's router. > > > >There are a slew of VPN products out there with all sort of features and > costs. I have one that is installed on my laptop which gives me full access > to my entire network when I am on the road...it supports any protocol as > its is only a tunnel, even RDP. > > > >It is called OpenVPN ( http://openvpn.net/ ) and as my resource are > limited the price is right. The product has clients for any OS but server > end must be Linux based...not a problem for yourself as it runs fine on any > version of Distro, that uses Debian. If the business wants their server end > hosted it will cost $6.00 per connection per year (I am sure there are > volume discounts). > > > >I would recommend you set up your own in-house server as once setup > properly it can left to its own devices as it just works. The beauty of > hosting is that once a connection is established the client and server are > directly linked, no third party intervention is needed. This is of course > is great for security and in the age of PRISM this becomes so very > important. > > > >HTH > >Jim > <<< skipped >>> > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. -- Niels Bohr From hans.andersen at phulse.com Mon Jul 22 21:44:27 2013 From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen) Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2013 19:44:27 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Deepin Linux In-Reply-To: <222764810.11872228.1374533635378.JavaMail.root@cds002> References: <222764810.11872228.1374533635378.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: <7A0B5AD1-8373-4604-98CA-24A3D483BD15@phulse.com> Eh, I dunno. I'm all for open source, but I don't personally think that, just because something is open source, you can implicitly trust them. Most linux distros have package managers that update your system from a central location (apt, yum, portage, etc) in binary format, so it's not like you can review system/software updates. You still have to trust what is being installed on your system is what it claims to be. You don't know if the distro maintainers aren't injecting something nasty into your software updates. And how many of us really review the source code of any open source application we install? Very few, I imagine (I don't). So, I go by a slightly modified trust system. I go for distros that are established and have a large community around it. Debian, for instance, is a perfect example. Debian is a community distro and is not controlled by any single entity, in the spirit of open source and GNU. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/ap-manifesto.en.html - Hans On 2013-07-22, at 3:53 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Hi Martin: > > Its Open Source...anyone can view the code and can even, subsequently, download the source and recompile it on their own system. That is the thing with OSS projects, if there is any dodgy crap going on, it will be spotted in an instant. > > It not proprietary like iOS and Windows OS where no one knows what code is running in the background, how invasive it is or how many back-doors are available. With proprietary code you have to assume that the supplier always have your best interests at heart and will never advantage of your activities or data. It all renders down to a simple act of faith. > > So to answer your question, "Not at all." > > Jim > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Martin Reid" > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > Sent: Monday, July 22, 2013 1:38:28 PM > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Deepin Linux > > So you have no issue taking an OS developed by unknown people in China and installing it to run client business? > > Just curious > > Martin > > Sent from my iPad > > On 22 Jul 2013, at 21:34, "Rocky Smolin" wrote: > >> "So easy a 60 year old can use it" would have been a better pitch. 12 y.o. >> can run anything. :) >> >> R >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence >> Sent: Monday, July 22, 2013 1:30 PM >> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues >> Subject: [dba-Tech] Deepin Linux >> >> There is a new Linux distro out which has been receiving very high rated >> reviews called Deepin. >> >> It is a product the has been totally written in China by a bunch of geeks >> there. The attention to detail on this product is spectacular. It has been >> loosely described as a cross between Windows 7/8 and a Linux distro. >> >> http://planet.linuxdeepin.com/2013/06/19/linux-deepin-12-12-is-released/ >> >> According to reviewers it is excessively easy to use..."So Easy a >> 12-year-old Can Use It". Another plus, given that Ubuntu is one of the >> fastest desktops, Deepin in comparison is far faster...maybe the fastest >> distro of any type. >> >> This product will definitely reside in one of my virtual drives and if it >> stands up to previous billing, I will be looking for friends and businesses >> on which to install Deepin. >> >> Jim >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Jul 22 22:15:58 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2013 21:15:58 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] SSL or SSH or Other? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <368540702.12017984.1374549358453.JavaMail.root@cds002> Inline: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arthur Fuller" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Monday, July 22, 2013 5:45:29 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] SSL or SSH or Other? Thanks a lot for your input, guys. I've got some research to do, and I've asked my colleague some questions about configuration to which I lacked immediate answers, so I'll continue looking into this as I await his answers. Meanwhile, I will proffer some opinions: 1. Since the back end is MySQL, a Linux database server is the best possible choice. Why bother with licensing the MS Server stuff when the Linux stuff is both solid and free? : Not to mention, all things being equal is as much as five times as fast given specific standard operations. 2. Whatever his current configuration is (I'm still awaiting details about his database server), subsequent recommendations will be based on that answer. : Note, that if you are using a VPN, you can just refer to remote drives with directory using drive letter which makes it real easy to run local and remote applications That's about all I have to offer as I await his responses to my questions. Those responses may or may not limit the choices available. Following Jim's suggestion to investigate OpenVPN.Net, I have visited the site and am currently ignoring the TV and reading the material. :Absolutely excellent movie. And speaking of TV, last night I watched Blood Diamond, of which I have a copy on my bookshelf but haven't watched since its immediate release. What an incredible movie! I don't recall whether Leonardo diCapreo won an Oscar for this film, but if not it's travesty. In every possible way, this film is magnificent -- but most of all, aside from the shots of the African sunsets, is the performance by DiCapreo, and Djiomin Hounsou and Jennifer Connelly -- not to mention the exposure of the blood diamond trade. Please excuse the irrelevant venture into clearly-OT topics, but I found this film so unforgettable that I am still reeling from its power, despite my interests in the original question. Arthur On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 4:17 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote: > Hi Jim -- > > "Watch What You Say"! :) (see below) > > > in the age of PRISM this becomes so very important > It (VPN encryption) might soon become useless: > > "The NSA Is Building the Country?s Biggest Spy Center (Watch What You Say)" > http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2012/03/ff_nsadatacenter/all/1 -- Shamil > > Monday, July 22, 2013 11:28 AM -06:00 from Jim Lawrence : > >Hi Arthur: > > > >I am hardly an network expert but for secure connection across internet I > would suggest a VPN type network. If done properly, staff with the > appropriate usernames and passwords can connect in to business network > through either standard or a specific dedicated address:port installed on > the company's router. > > > >There are a slew of VPN products out there with all sort of features and > costs. I have one that is installed on my laptop which gives me full access > to my entire network when I am on the road...it supports any protocol as > its is only a tunnel, even RDP. > > > >It is called OpenVPN ( http://openvpn.net/ ) and as my resource are > limited the price is right. The product has clients for any OS but server > end must be Linux based...not a problem for yourself as it runs fine on any > version of Distro, that uses Debian. If the business wants their server end > hosted it will cost $6.00 per connection per year (I am sure there are > volume discounts). > > > >I would recommend you set up your own in-house server as once setup > properly it can left to its own devices as it just works. The beauty of > hosting is that once a connection is established the client and server are > directly linked, no third party intervention is needed. This is of course > is great for security and in the age of PRISM this becomes so very > important. > > > >HTH > >Jim > <<< skipped >>> > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. -- Niels Bohr _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Jul 22 22:24:28 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2013 21:24:28 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] Deepin Linux In-Reply-To: <7A0B5AD1-8373-4604-98CA-24A3D483BD15@phulse.com> Message-ID: <1766448967.12022211.1374549868815.JavaMail.root@cds002> Isn't Debian a core distro and a front end like Ubuntu is distro...because it uses Debian. Interestingly enough the Deepin Linux distro is built on top of Debian/Ubuntu 13.04. It is basically nothing more than a presentation manager. I would not just assume that there is some evil intent going on because the distro comes from China anymore than I would assume evil intent just because Windows and Mac OS are proprietary and they come from NSA-USA. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hans-Christian Andersen" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Monday, July 22, 2013 7:44:27 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Deepin Linux Eh, I dunno. I'm all for open source, but I don't personally think that, just because something is open source, you can implicitly trust them. Most linux distros have package managers that update your system from a central location (apt, yum, portage, etc) in binary format, so it's not like you can review system/software updates. You still have to trust what is being installed on your system is what it claims to be. You don't know if the distro maintainers aren't injecting something nasty into your software updates. And how many of us really review the source code of any open source application we install? Very few, I imagine (I don't). So, I go by a slightly modified trust system. I go for distros that are established and have a large community around it. Debian, for instance, is a perfect example. Debian is a community distro and is not controlled by any single entity, in the spirit of open source and GNU. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/ap-manifesto.en.html - Hans On 2013-07-22, at 3:53 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Hi Martin: > > Its Open Source...anyone can view the code and can even, subsequently, download the source and recompile it on their own system. That is the thing with OSS projects, if there is any dodgy crap going on, it will be spotted in an instant. > > It not proprietary like iOS and Windows OS where no one knows what code is running in the background, how invasive it is or how many back-doors are available. With proprietary code you have to assume that the supplier always have your best interests at heart and will never advantage of your activities or data. It all renders down to a simple act of faith. > > So to answer your question, "Not at all." > > Jim > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Martin Reid" > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > Sent: Monday, July 22, 2013 1:38:28 PM > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Deepin Linux > > So you have no issue taking an OS developed by unknown people in China and installing it to run client business? > > Just curious > > Martin > > Sent from my iPad > > On 22 Jul 2013, at 21:34, "Rocky Smolin" wrote: > >> "So easy a 60 year old can use it" would have been a better pitch. 12 y.o. >> can run anything. :) >> >> R >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence >> Sent: Monday, July 22, 2013 1:30 PM >> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues >> Subject: [dba-Tech] Deepin Linux >> >> There is a new Linux distro out which has been receiving very high rated >> reviews called Deepin. >> >> It is a product the has been totally written in China by a bunch of geeks >> there. The attention to detail on this product is spectacular. It has been >> loosely described as a cross between Windows 7/8 and a Linux distro. >> >> http://planet.linuxdeepin.com/2013/06/19/linux-deepin-12-12-is-released/ >> >> According to reviewers it is excessively easy to use..."So Easy a >> 12-year-old Can Use It". Another plus, given that Ubuntu is one of the >> fastest desktops, Deepin in comparison is far faster...maybe the fastest >> distro of any type. >> >> This product will definitely reside in one of my virtual drives and if it >> stands up to previous billing, I will be looking for friends and businesses >> on which to install Deepin. >> >> Jim >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From hans.andersen at phulse.com Mon Jul 22 22:49:19 2013 From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen) Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2013 20:49:19 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Deepin Linux In-Reply-To: <1766448967.12022211.1374549868815.JavaMail.root@cds002> References: <1766448967.12022211.1374549868815.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: "Core distro" or not, it is still just as much a distro as any distro that forks from it. To me, core distro just sounds like an arbitrary classification, which makes Debian sound like a distro that other distros inherit and benefit from but few people actually use? - Hans On 2013-07-22, at 8:24 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Isn't Debian a core distro and a front end like Ubuntu is distro...because it uses Debian. > > Interestingly enough the Deepin Linux distro is built on top of Debian/Ubuntu 13.04. It is basically nothing more than a presentation manager. > > I would not just assume that there is some evil intent going on because the distro comes from China anymore than I would assume evil intent just because Windows and Mac OS are proprietary and they come from NSA-USA. > > Jim > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Hans-Christian Andersen" > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > Sent: Monday, July 22, 2013 7:44:27 PM > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Deepin Linux > > Eh, I dunno. I'm all for open source, but I don't personally think that, just because something is open source, you can implicitly trust them. > > Most linux distros have package managers that update your system from a central location (apt, yum, portage, etc) in binary format, so it's not like you can review system/software updates. You still have to trust what is being installed on your system is what it claims to be. You don't know if the distro maintainers aren't injecting something nasty into your software updates. And how many of us really review the source code of any open source application we install? Very few, I imagine (I don't). > > So, I go by a slightly modified trust system. I go for distros that are established and have a large community around it. Debian, for instance, is a perfect example. Debian is a community distro and is not controlled by any single entity, in the spirit of open source and GNU. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/ap-manifesto.en.html > > - Hans > > > > On 2013-07-22, at 3:53 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > >> Hi Martin: >> >> Its Open Source...anyone can view the code and can even, subsequently, download the source and recompile it on their own system. That is the thing with OSS projects, if there is any dodgy crap going on, it will be spotted in an instant. >> >> It not proprietary like iOS and Windows OS where no one knows what code is running in the background, how invasive it is or how many back-doors are available. With proprietary code you have to assume that the supplier always have your best interests at heart and will never advantage of your activities or data. It all renders down to a simple act of faith. >> >> So to answer your question, "Not at all." >> >> Jim >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Martin Reid" >> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" >> Sent: Monday, July 22, 2013 1:38:28 PM >> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Deepin Linux >> >> So you have no issue taking an OS developed by unknown people in China and installing it to run client business? >> >> Just curious >> >> Martin >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On 22 Jul 2013, at 21:34, "Rocky Smolin" wrote: >> >>> "So easy a 60 year old can use it" would have been a better pitch. 12 y.o. >>> can run anything. :) >>> >>> R >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence >>> Sent: Monday, July 22, 2013 1:30 PM >>> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues >>> Subject: [dba-Tech] Deepin Linux >>> >>> There is a new Linux distro out which has been receiving very high rated >>> reviews called Deepin. >>> >>> It is a product the has been totally written in China by a bunch of geeks >>> there. The attention to detail on this product is spectacular. It has been >>> loosely described as a cross between Windows 7/8 and a Linux distro. >>> >>> http://planet.linuxdeepin.com/2013/06/19/linux-deepin-12-12-is-released/ >>> >>> According to reviewers it is excessively easy to use..."So Easy a >>> 12-year-old Can Use It". Another plus, given that Ubuntu is one of the >>> fastest desktops, Deepin in comparison is far faster...maybe the fastest >>> distro of any type. >>> >>> This product will definitely reside in one of my virtual drives and if it >>> stands up to previous billing, I will be looking for friends and businesses >>> on which to install Deepin. >>> >>> Jim >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> dba-Tech mailing list >>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> dba-Tech mailing list >>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From hans.andersen at phulse.com Mon Jul 22 22:51:07 2013 From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen) Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2013 20:51:07 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Deepin Linux In-Reply-To: <1766448967.12022211.1374549868815.JavaMail.root@cds002> References: <1766448967.12022211.1374549868815.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: Fyi, I never said anything about china in my previous email, so I'm not sure how you came to that conclusion? - Hans On 2013-07-22, at 8:24 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Isn't Debian a core distro and a front end like Ubuntu is distro...because it uses Debian. > > Interestingly enough the Deepin Linux distro is built on top of Debian/Ubuntu 13.04. It is basically nothing more than a presentation manager. > > I would not just assume that there is some evil intent going on because the distro comes from China anymore than I would assume evil intent just because Windows and Mac OS are proprietary and they come from NSA-USA. > > Jim > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Hans-Christian Andersen" > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > Sent: Monday, July 22, 2013 7:44:27 PM > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Deepin Linux > > Eh, I dunno. I'm all for open source, but I don't personally think that, just because something is open source, you can implicitly trust them. > > Most linux distros have package managers that update your system from a central location (apt, yum, portage, etc) in binary format, so it's not like you can review system/software updates. You still have to trust what is being installed on your system is what it claims to be. You don't know if the distro maintainers aren't injecting something nasty into your software updates. And how many of us really review the source code of any open source application we install? Very few, I imagine (I don't). > > So, I go by a slightly modified trust system. I go for distros that are established and have a large community around it. Debian, for instance, is a perfect example. Debian is a community distro and is not controlled by any single entity, in the spirit of open source and GNU. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/ap-manifesto.en.html > > - Hans > > > > On 2013-07-22, at 3:53 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > >> Hi Martin: >> >> Its Open Source...anyone can view the code and can even, subsequently, download the source and recompile it on their own system. That is the thing with OSS projects, if there is any dodgy crap going on, it will be spotted in an instant. >> >> It not proprietary like iOS and Windows OS where no one knows what code is running in the background, how invasive it is or how many back-doors are available. With proprietary code you have to assume that the supplier always have your best interests at heart and will never advantage of your activities or data. It all renders down to a simple act of faith. >> >> So to answer your question, "Not at all." >> >> Jim >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Martin Reid" >> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" >> Sent: Monday, July 22, 2013 1:38:28 PM >> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Deepin Linux >> >> So you have no issue taking an OS developed by unknown people in China and installing it to run client business? >> >> Just curious >> >> Martin >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On 22 Jul 2013, at 21:34, "Rocky Smolin" wrote: >> >>> "So easy a 60 year old can use it" would have been a better pitch. 12 y.o. >>> can run anything. :) >>> >>> R >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence >>> Sent: Monday, July 22, 2013 1:30 PM >>> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues >>> Subject: [dba-Tech] Deepin Linux >>> >>> There is a new Linux distro out which has been receiving very high rated >>> reviews called Deepin. >>> >>> It is a product the has been totally written in China by a bunch of geeks >>> there. The attention to detail on this product is spectacular. It has been >>> loosely described as a cross between Windows 7/8 and a Linux distro. >>> >>> http://planet.linuxdeepin.com/2013/06/19/linux-deepin-12-12-is-released/ >>> >>> According to reviewers it is excessively easy to use..."So Easy a >>> 12-year-old Can Use It". Another plus, given that Ubuntu is one of the >>> fastest desktops, Deepin in comparison is far faster...maybe the fastest >>> distro of any type. >>> >>> This product will definitely reside in one of my virtual drives and if it >>> stands up to previous billing, I will be looking for friends and businesses >>> on which to install Deepin. >>> >>> Jim >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> dba-Tech mailing list >>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> dba-Tech mailing list >>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From marklbreen at gmail.com Tue Jul 23 03:34:30 2013 From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen) Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2013 09:34:30 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Deepin Linux In-Reply-To: <7A0B5AD1-8373-4604-98CA-24A3D483BD15@phulse.com> References: <222764810.11872228.1374533635378.JavaMail.root@cds002> <7A0B5AD1-8373-4604-98CA-24A3D483BD15@phulse.com> Message-ID: Hi Hans, this is taking a slight tangent, but I hope you will not mind me commenting anyway. I love open source software. At the weekend, I installed Ubuntu 13.04 on an old slow laptop, it was ok, but still slow. So then I installed Kubuntu, Mint 15 and and two others the name escapes me, but they were also based on Ubuntu. None of the others picked up the wireless card correctly and Mint had some video corruption issues. I just re-installed Ubuntu and all was ok. I was surprised that the Ubuntu derivatives did not work as well as the full Ubuntu. Anyway, the machine is still a little slow, but it was dreadful when it had Vista - at least it is working now. On 23 July 2013 03:44, Hans-Christian Andersen wrote: > Eh, I dunno. I'm all for open source, but I don't personally think that, > just because something is open source, you can implicitly trust them. > > Most linux distros have package managers that update your system from a > central location (apt, yum, portage, etc) in binary format, so it's not > like you can review system/software updates. You still have to trust what > is being installed on your system is what it claims to be. You don't know > if the distro maintainers aren't injecting something nasty into your > software updates. And how many of us really review the source code of any > open source application we install? Very few, I imagine (I don't). > > So, I go by a slightly modified trust system. I go for distros that are > established and have a large community around it. Debian, for instance, is > a perfect example. Debian is a community distro and is not controlled by > any single entity, in the spirit of open source and GNU. > http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/ap-manifesto.en.html > > - Hans > > > > On 2013-07-22, at 3:53 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > > > Hi Martin: > > > > Its Open Source...anyone can view the code and can even, subsequently, > download the source and recompile it on their own system. That is the thing > with OSS projects, if there is any dodgy crap going on, it will be spotted > in an instant. > > > > It not proprietary like iOS and Windows OS where no one knows what code > is running in the background, how invasive it is or how many back-doors are > available. With proprietary code you have to assume that the supplier > always have your best interests at heart and will never advantage of your > activities or data. It all renders down to a simple act of faith. > > > > So to answer your question, "Not at all." > > > > Jim > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Martin Reid" > > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" < > dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com> > > Sent: Monday, July 22, 2013 1:38:28 PM > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Deepin Linux > > > > So you have no issue taking an OS developed by unknown people in China > and installing it to run client business? > > > > Just curious > > > > Martin > > > > Sent from my iPad > > > > On 22 Jul 2013, at 21:34, "Rocky Smolin" wrote: > > > >> "So easy a 60 year old can use it" would have been a better pitch. 12 > y.o. > >> can run anything. :) > >> > >> R > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > >> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim > Lawrence > >> Sent: Monday, July 22, 2013 1:30 PM > >> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > >> Subject: [dba-Tech] Deepin Linux > >> > >> There is a new Linux distro out which has been receiving very high rated > >> reviews called Deepin. > >> > >> It is a product the has been totally written in China by a bunch of > geeks > >> there. The attention to detail on this product is spectacular. It has > been > >> loosely described as a cross between Windows 7/8 and a Linux distro. > >> > >> > http://planet.linuxdeepin.com/2013/06/19/linux-deepin-12-12-is-released/ > >> > >> According to reviewers it is excessively easy to use..."So Easy a > >> 12-year-old Can Use It". Another plus, given that Ubuntu is one of the > >> fastest desktops, Deepin in comparison is far faster...maybe the fastest > >> distro of any type. > >> > >> This product will definitely reside in one of my virtual drives and if > it > >> stands up to previous billing, I will be looking for friends and > businesses > >> on which to install Deepin. > >> > >> Jim > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> dba-Tech mailing list > >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> dba-Tech mailing list > >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From accessd at shaw.ca Tue Jul 23 04:06:13 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2013 03:06:13 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] Deepin Linux In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1191139605.12125571.1374570373965.JavaMail.root@cds002> There are a number of distros built on top of Debian; Ubuntu, Mint, Xubuntu, CrunchBang... I doubt any one could remember them all but there are supposed to be somewhere around 50 plus such products, if you count the variants and deviations and obviously there are more all the time. I had never looked at a list of distributions before but number and variation is amazing: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Linux_distributions Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hans-Christian Andersen" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Monday, July 22, 2013 8:49:19 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Deepin Linux "Core distro" or not, it is still just as much a distro as any distro that forks from it. To me, core distro just sounds like an arbitrary classification, which makes Debian sound like a distro that other distros inherit and benefit from but few people actually use? - Hans On 2013-07-22, at 8:24 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Isn't Debian a core distro and a front end like Ubuntu is distro...because it uses Debian. > > Interestingly enough the Deepin Linux distro is built on top of Debian/Ubuntu 13.04. It is basically nothing more than a presentation manager. > > I would not just assume that there is some evil intent going on because the distro comes from China anymore than I would assume evil intent just because Windows and Mac OS are proprietary and they come from NSA-USA. > > Jim > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Hans-Christian Andersen" > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > Sent: Monday, July 22, 2013 7:44:27 PM > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Deepin Linux > > Eh, I dunno. I'm all for open source, but I don't personally think that, just because something is open source, you can implicitly trust them. > > Most linux distros have package managers that update your system from a central location (apt, yum, portage, etc) in binary format, so it's not like you can review system/software updates. You still have to trust what is being installed on your system is what it claims to be. You don't know if the distro maintainers aren't injecting something nasty into your software updates. And how many of us really review the source code of any open source application we install? Very few, I imagine (I don't). > > So, I go by a slightly modified trust system. I go for distros that are established and have a large community around it. Debian, for instance, is a perfect example. Debian is a community distro and is not controlled by any single entity, in the spirit of open source and GNU. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/ap-manifesto.en.html > > - Hans > > > > On 2013-07-22, at 3:53 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > >> Hi Martin: >> >> Its Open Source...anyone can view the code and can even, subsequently, download the source and recompile it on their own system. That is the thing with OSS projects, if there is any dodgy crap going on, it will be spotted in an instant. >> >> It not proprietary like iOS and Windows OS where no one knows what code is running in the background, how invasive it is or how many back-doors are available. With proprietary code you have to assume that the supplier always have your best interests at heart and will never advantage of your activities or data. It all renders down to a simple act of faith. >> >> So to answer your question, "Not at all." >> >> Jim >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Martin Reid" >> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" >> Sent: Monday, July 22, 2013 1:38:28 PM >> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Deepin Linux >> >> So you have no issue taking an OS developed by unknown people in China and installing it to run client business? >> >> Just curious >> >> Martin >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On 22 Jul 2013, at 21:34, "Rocky Smolin" wrote: >> >>> "So easy a 60 year old can use it" would have been a better pitch. 12 y.o. >>> can run anything. :) >>> >>> R >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence >>> Sent: Monday, July 22, 2013 1:30 PM >>> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues >>> Subject: [dba-Tech] Deepin Linux >>> >>> There is a new Linux distro out which has been receiving very high rated >>> reviews called Deepin. >>> >>> It is a product the has been totally written in China by a bunch of geeks >>> there. The attention to detail on this product is spectacular. It has been >>> loosely described as a cross between Windows 7/8 and a Linux distro. >>> >>> http://planet.linuxdeepin.com/2013/06/19/linux-deepin-12-12-is-released/ >>> >>> According to reviewers it is excessively easy to use..."So Easy a >>> 12-year-old Can Use It". Another plus, given that Ubuntu is one of the >>> fastest desktops, Deepin in comparison is far faster...maybe the fastest >>> distro of any type. >>> >>> This product will definitely reside in one of my virtual drives and if it >>> stands up to previous billing, I will be looking for friends and businesses >>> on which to install Deepin. >>> >>> Jim >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> dba-Tech mailing list >>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> dba-Tech mailing list >>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From hans.andersen at phulse.com Tue Jul 23 04:11:32 2013 From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen) Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2013 02:11:32 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Deepin Linux In-Reply-To: References: <222764810.11872228.1374533635378.JavaMail.root@cds002> <7A0B5AD1-8373-4604-98CA-24A3D483BD15@phulse.com> Message-ID: <25CB0C3E-F5CB-4324-BF62-EFE81E3CC395@phulse.com> Hi Mark, Feel free to comment! Unfortunately, Linux on laptops can be touch and go some times (many thanks to Microsoft's attempts to make ACPI a nightmare to work with). I've had issues with Ubuntu as well, but it's great that there are distros of Linux out there that are focused on getting Linux to work right on consumer grade hardware. I personally blame the poor quality of PC laptops. I started at my present company with a Lenovo Thinkpad ($1300+ i should add), which promised perfect Linux support, but, even with that, it was awful. The touchpad was terrible and, after a few months, the OS began to freeze for no reason. I had to switch to a MacBook so I could have a stable development laptop - which is sad, because I've had plenty of Linux desktops that worked perfectly for many years. I'm surprised about Linux Mint though. Kubuntu, however, has always been flakey in my opinion ever since I first gave it a try in 2006 and other times since. - Hans On 2013-07-23, at 1:34 AM, Mark Breen wrote: > Hi Hans, > > this is taking a slight tangent, but I hope you will not mind me commenting > anyway. > > I love open source software. > > At the weekend, I installed Ubuntu 13.04 on an old slow laptop, it was ok, > but still slow. > > So then I installed Kubuntu, Mint 15 and and two others the name escapes > me, but they were also based on Ubuntu. > > None of the others picked up the wireless card correctly and Mint had some > video corruption issues. I just re-installed Ubuntu and all was ok. > > I was surprised that the Ubuntu derivatives did not work as well as the > full Ubuntu. > > Anyway, the machine is still a little slow, but it was dreadful when it had > Vista - at least it is working now. > > > > > > > On 23 July 2013 03:44, Hans-Christian Andersen wrote: > >> Eh, I dunno. I'm all for open source, but I don't personally think that, >> just because something is open source, you can implicitly trust them. >> >> Most linux distros have package managers that update your system from a >> central location (apt, yum, portage, etc) in binary format, so it's not >> like you can review system/software updates. You still have to trust what >> is being installed on your system is what it claims to be. You don't know >> if the distro maintainers aren't injecting something nasty into your >> software updates. And how many of us really review the source code of any >> open source application we install? Very few, I imagine (I don't). >> >> So, I go by a slightly modified trust system. I go for distros that are >> established and have a large community around it. Debian, for instance, is >> a perfect example. Debian is a community distro and is not controlled by >> any single entity, in the spirit of open source and GNU. >> http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/ap-manifesto.en.html >> >> - Hans >> >> >> >> On 2013-07-22, at 3:53 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: >> >>> Hi Martin: >>> >>> Its Open Source...anyone can view the code and can even, subsequently, >> download the source and recompile it on their own system. That is the thing >> with OSS projects, if there is any dodgy crap going on, it will be spotted >> in an instant. >>> >>> It not proprietary like iOS and Windows OS where no one knows what code >> is running in the background, how invasive it is or how many back-doors are >> available. With proprietary code you have to assume that the supplier >> always have your best interests at heart and will never advantage of your >> activities or data. It all renders down to a simple act of faith. >>> >>> So to answer your question, "Not at all." >>> >>> Jim >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Martin Reid" >>> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" < >> dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com> >>> Sent: Monday, July 22, 2013 1:38:28 PM >>> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Deepin Linux >>> >>> So you have no issue taking an OS developed by unknown people in China >> and installing it to run client business? >>> >>> Just curious >>> >>> Martin >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>> On 22 Jul 2013, at 21:34, "Rocky Smolin" wrote: >>> >>>> "So easy a 60 year old can use it" would have been a better pitch. 12 >> y.o. >>>> can run anything. :) >>>> >>>> R >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >>>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim >> Lawrence >>>> Sent: Monday, July 22, 2013 1:30 PM >>>> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues >>>> Subject: [dba-Tech] Deepin Linux >>>> >>>> There is a new Linux distro out which has been receiving very high rated >>>> reviews called Deepin. >>>> >>>> It is a product the has been totally written in China by a bunch of >> geeks >>>> there. The attention to detail on this product is spectacular. It has >> been >>>> loosely described as a cross between Windows 7/8 and a Linux distro. >>>> >>>> >> http://planet.linuxdeepin.com/2013/06/19/linux-deepin-12-12-is-released/ >>>> >>>> According to reviewers it is excessively easy to use..."So Easy a >>>> 12-year-old Can Use It". Another plus, given that Ubuntu is one of the >>>> fastest desktops, Deepin in comparison is far faster...maybe the fastest >>>> distro of any type. >>>> >>>> This product will definitely reside in one of my virtual drives and if >> it >>>> stands up to previous billing, I will be looking for friends and >> businesses >>>> on which to install Deepin. >>>> >>>> Jim >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> dba-Tech mailing list >>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> dba-Tech mailing list >>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> dba-Tech mailing list >>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> dba-Tech mailing list >>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Tue Jul 23 04:24:00 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2013 03:24:00 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] Deepin Linux In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <474763361.12129170.1374571440034.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi Hans: No you did not mention China, I did initially, in the original post but assumed that your response to the thread was related to this specific distro. If you were not referring to China I apologize. That said, do you really think that some open source distribution could have a hidden some malware or suspicious code within the program and no one in the world would have noticed it, especially coming out of China? Correct me if I am wrong but I have never heard of OS malware package before as these products only survive due to their compiled proprietary (hidden) nature. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hans-Christian Andersen" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Monday, July 22, 2013 8:51:07 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Deepin Linux Fyi, I never said anything about china in my previous email, so I'm not sure how you came to that conclusion? - Hans On 2013-07-22, at 8:24 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Isn't Debian a core distro and a front end like Ubuntu is distro...because it uses Debian. > > Interestingly enough the Deepin Linux distro is built on top of Debian/Ubuntu 13.04. It is basically nothing more than a presentation manager. > > I would not just assume that there is some evil intent going on because the distro comes from China anymore than I would assume evil intent just because Windows and Mac OS are proprietary and they come from NSA-USA. > > Jim > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Hans-Christian Andersen" > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > Sent: Monday, July 22, 2013 7:44:27 PM > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Deepin Linux > > Eh, I dunno. I'm all for open source, but I don't personally think that, just because something is open source, you can implicitly trust them. > > Most linux distros have package managers that update your system from a central location (apt, yum, portage, etc) in binary format, so it's not like you can review system/software updates. You still have to trust what is being installed on your system is what it claims to be. You don't know if the distro maintainers aren't injecting something nasty into your software updates. And how many of us really review the source code of any open source application we install? Very few, I imagine (I don't). > > So, I go by a slightly modified trust system. I go for distros that are established and have a large community around it. Debian, for instance, is a perfect example. Debian is a community distro and is not controlled by any single entity, in the spirit of open source and GNU. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/ap-manifesto.en.html > > - Hans > > > > On 2013-07-22, at 3:53 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > >> Hi Martin: >> >> Its Open Source...anyone can view the code and can even, subsequently, download the source and recompile it on their own system. That is the thing with OSS projects, if there is any dodgy crap going on, it will be spotted in an instant. >> >> It not proprietary like iOS and Windows OS where no one knows what code is running in the background, how invasive it is or how many back-doors are available. With proprietary code you have to assume that the supplier always have your best interests at heart and will never advantage of your activities or data. It all renders down to a simple act of faith. >> >> So to answer your question, "Not at all." >> >> Jim >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Martin Reid" >> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" >> Sent: Monday, July 22, 2013 1:38:28 PM >> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Deepin Linux >> >> So you have no issue taking an OS developed by unknown people in China and installing it to run client business? >> >> Just curious >> >> Martin >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On 22 Jul 2013, at 21:34, "Rocky Smolin" wrote: >> >>> "So easy a 60 year old can use it" would have been a better pitch. 12 y.o. >>> can run anything. :) >>> >>> R >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence >>> Sent: Monday, July 22, 2013 1:30 PM >>> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues >>> Subject: [dba-Tech] Deepin Linux >>> >>> There is a new Linux distro out which has been receiving very high rated >>> reviews called Deepin. >>> >>> It is a product the has been totally written in China by a bunch of geeks >>> there. The attention to detail on this product is spectacular. It has been >>> loosely described as a cross between Windows 7/8 and a Linux distro. >>> >>> http://planet.linuxdeepin.com/2013/06/19/linux-deepin-12-12-is-released/ >>> >>> According to reviewers it is excessively easy to use..."So Easy a >>> 12-year-old Can Use It". Another plus, given that Ubuntu is one of the >>> fastest desktops, Deepin in comparison is far faster...maybe the fastest >>> distro of any type. >>> >>> This product will definitely reside in one of my virtual drives and if it >>> stands up to previous billing, I will be looking for friends and businesses >>> on which to install Deepin. >>> >>> Jim >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> dba-Tech mailing list >>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> dba-Tech mailing list >>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From hans.andersen at phulse.com Tue Jul 23 04:36:10 2013 From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen) Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2013 02:36:10 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Deepin Linux In-Reply-To: <474763361.12129170.1374571440034.JavaMail.root@cds002> References: <474763361.12129170.1374571440034.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: <40D0F89A-1B4C-493C-9155-CF940C76406F@phulse.com> Hi Jim, > That said, do you really think that some open source distribution could have a hidden some malware or suspicious code within the program and no one in the world would have noticed it, especially coming out of China? I'm talking about trusting software updates, not software that is currently installed. - Hans On 2013-07-23, at 2:24 AM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Hi Hans: > > No you did not mention China, I did initially, in the original post but assumed that your response to the thread was related to this specific distro. If you were not referring to China I apologize. > > That said, do you really think that some open source distribution could have a hidden some malware or suspicious code within the program and no one in the world would have noticed it, especially coming out of China? > > Correct me if I am wrong but I have never heard of OS malware package before as these products only survive due to their compiled proprietary (hidden) nature. > > Jim > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Hans-Christian Andersen" > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > Sent: Monday, July 22, 2013 8:51:07 PM > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Deepin Linux > > Fyi, I never said anything about china in my previous email, so I'm not sure how you came to that conclusion? > > - Hans > > > On 2013-07-22, at 8:24 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > >> Isn't Debian a core distro and a front end like Ubuntu is distro...because it uses Debian. >> >> Interestingly enough the Deepin Linux distro is built on top of Debian/Ubuntu 13.04. It is basically nothing more than a presentation manager. >> >> I would not just assume that there is some evil intent going on because the distro comes from China anymore than I would assume evil intent just because Windows and Mac OS are proprietary and they come from NSA-USA. >> >> Jim >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Hans-Christian Andersen" >> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" >> Sent: Monday, July 22, 2013 7:44:27 PM >> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Deepin Linux >> >> Eh, I dunno. I'm all for open source, but I don't personally think that, just because something is open source, you can implicitly trust them. >> >> Most linux distros have package managers that update your system from a central location (apt, yum, portage, etc) in binary format, so it's not like you can review system/software updates. You still have to trust what is being installed on your system is what it claims to be. You don't know if the distro maintainers aren't injecting something nasty into your software updates. And how many of us really review the source code of any open source application we install? Very few, I imagine (I don't). >> >> So, I go by a slightly modified trust system. I go for distros that are established and have a large community around it. Debian, for instance, is a perfect example. Debian is a community distro and is not controlled by any single entity, in the spirit of open source and GNU. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/ap-manifesto.en.html >> >> - Hans >> >> >> >> On 2013-07-22, at 3:53 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: >> >>> Hi Martin: >>> >>> Its Open Source...anyone can view the code and can even, subsequently, download the source and recompile it on their own system. That is the thing with OSS projects, if there is any dodgy crap going on, it will be spotted in an instant. >>> >>> It not proprietary like iOS and Windows OS where no one knows what code is running in the background, how invasive it is or how many back-doors are available. With proprietary code you have to assume that the supplier always have your best interests at heart and will never advantage of your activities or data. It all renders down to a simple act of faith. >>> >>> So to answer your question, "Not at all." >>> >>> Jim >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Martin Reid" >>> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" >>> Sent: Monday, July 22, 2013 1:38:28 PM >>> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Deepin Linux >>> >>> So you have no issue taking an OS developed by unknown people in China and installing it to run client business? >>> >>> Just curious >>> >>> Martin >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>> On 22 Jul 2013, at 21:34, "Rocky Smolin" wrote: >>> >>>> "So easy a 60 year old can use it" would have been a better pitch. 12 y.o. >>>> can run anything. :) >>>> >>>> R >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >>>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence >>>> Sent: Monday, July 22, 2013 1:30 PM >>>> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues >>>> Subject: [dba-Tech] Deepin Linux >>>> >>>> There is a new Linux distro out which has been receiving very high rated >>>> reviews called Deepin. >>>> >>>> It is a product the has been totally written in China by a bunch of geeks >>>> there. The attention to detail on this product is spectacular. It has been >>>> loosely described as a cross between Windows 7/8 and a Linux distro. >>>> >>>> http://planet.linuxdeepin.com/2013/06/19/linux-deepin-12-12-is-released/ >>>> >>>> According to reviewers it is excessively easy to use..."So Easy a >>>> 12-year-old Can Use It". Another plus, given that Ubuntu is one of the >>>> fastest desktops, Deepin in comparison is far faster...maybe the fastest >>>> distro of any type. >>>> >>>> This product will definitely reside in one of my virtual drives and if it >>>> stands up to previous billing, I will be looking for friends and businesses >>>> on which to install Deepin. >>>> >>>> Jim >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> dba-Tech mailing list >>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> dba-Tech mailing list >>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> dba-Tech mailing list >>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> dba-Tech mailing list >>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Tue Jul 23 04:38:48 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2013 03:38:48 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] Deepin Linux In-Reply-To: <25CB0C3E-F5CB-4324-BF62-EFE81E3CC395@phulse.com> Message-ID: <1873475430.12131741.1374572328169.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi guys: Just an aside: There is a company specifically making and selling Linux desktops and Laptops called System76, out of Denver, Colorado. https://www.system76.com/ I have not personally seen one of their boxes but according to what I have heard and read, they are very fast and reliable and the company has gained a very good reputation. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hans-Christian Andersen" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 2:11:32 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Deepin Linux Hi Mark, Feel free to comment! Unfortunately, Linux on laptops can be touch and go some times (many thanks to Microsoft's attempts to make ACPI a nightmare to work with). I've had issues with Ubuntu as well, but it's great that there are distros of Linux out there that are focused on getting Linux to work right on consumer grade hardware. I personally blame the poor quality of PC laptops. I started at my present company with a Lenovo Thinkpad ($1300+ i should add), which promised perfect Linux support, but, even with that, it was awful. The touchpad was terrible and, after a few months, the OS began to freeze for no reason. I had to switch to a MacBook so I could have a stable development laptop - which is sad, because I've had plenty of Linux desktops that worked perfectly for many years. I'm surprised about Linux Mint though. Kubuntu, however, has always been flakey in my opinion ever since I first gave it a try in 2006 and other times since. - Hans On 2013-07-23, at 1:34 AM, Mark Breen wrote: > Hi Hans, > > this is taking a slight tangent, but I hope you will not mind me commenting > anyway. > > I love open source software. > > At the weekend, I installed Ubuntu 13.04 on an old slow laptop, it was ok, > but still slow. > > So then I installed Kubuntu, Mint 15 and and two others the name escapes > me, but they were also based on Ubuntu. > > None of the others picked up the wireless card correctly and Mint had some > video corruption issues. I just re-installed Ubuntu and all was ok. > > I was surprised that the Ubuntu derivatives did not work as well as the > full Ubuntu. > > Anyway, the machine is still a little slow, but it was dreadful when it had > Vista - at least it is working now. > > > > > > > On 23 July 2013 03:44, Hans-Christian Andersen wrote: > >> Eh, I dunno. I'm all for open source, but I don't personally think that, >> just because something is open source, you can implicitly trust them. >> >> Most linux distros have package managers that update your system from a >> central location (apt, yum, portage, etc) in binary format, so it's not >> like you can review system/software updates. You still have to trust what >> is being installed on your system is what it claims to be. You don't know >> if the distro maintainers aren't injecting something nasty into your >> software updates. And how many of us really review the source code of any >> open source application we install? Very few, I imagine (I don't). >> >> So, I go by a slightly modified trust system. I go for distros that are >> established and have a large community around it. Debian, for instance, is >> a perfect example. Debian is a community distro and is not controlled by >> any single entity, in the spirit of open source and GNU. >> http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/ap-manifesto.en.html >> >> - Hans >> >> >> >> On 2013-07-22, at 3:53 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: >> >>> Hi Martin: >>> >>> Its Open Source...anyone can view the code and can even, subsequently, >> download the source and recompile it on their own system. That is the thing >> with OSS projects, if there is any dodgy crap going on, it will be spotted >> in an instant. >>> >>> It not proprietary like iOS and Windows OS where no one knows what code >> is running in the background, how invasive it is or how many back-doors are >> available. With proprietary code you have to assume that the supplier >> always have your best interests at heart and will never advantage of your >> activities or data. It all renders down to a simple act of faith. >>> >>> So to answer your question, "Not at all." >>> >>> Jim >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Martin Reid" >>> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" < >> dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com> >>> Sent: Monday, July 22, 2013 1:38:28 PM >>> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Deepin Linux >>> >>> So you have no issue taking an OS developed by unknown people in China >> and installing it to run client business? >>> >>> Just curious >>> >>> Martin >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>> On 22 Jul 2013, at 21:34, "Rocky Smolin" wrote: >>> >>>> "So easy a 60 year old can use it" would have been a better pitch. 12 >> y.o. >>>> can run anything. :) >>>> >>>> R >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >>>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim >> Lawrence >>>> Sent: Monday, July 22, 2013 1:30 PM >>>> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues >>>> Subject: [dba-Tech] Deepin Linux >>>> >>>> There is a new Linux distro out which has been receiving very high rated >>>> reviews called Deepin. >>>> >>>> It is a product the has been totally written in China by a bunch of >> geeks >>>> there. The attention to detail on this product is spectacular. It has >> been >>>> loosely described as a cross between Windows 7/8 and a Linux distro. >>>> >>>> >> http://planet.linuxdeepin.com/2013/06/19/linux-deepin-12-12-is-released/ >>>> >>>> According to reviewers it is excessively easy to use..."So Easy a >>>> 12-year-old Can Use It". Another plus, given that Ubuntu is one of the >>>> fastest desktops, Deepin in comparison is far faster...maybe the fastest >>>> distro of any type. >>>> >>>> This product will definitely reside in one of my virtual drives and if >> it >>>> stands up to previous billing, I will be looking for friends and >> businesses >>>> on which to install Deepin. >>>> >>>> Jim >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> dba-Tech mailing list >>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> dba-Tech mailing list >>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> dba-Tech mailing list >>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> dba-Tech mailing list >>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Tue Jul 23 04:45:00 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2013 03:45:00 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] Deepin Linux In-Reply-To: <40D0F89A-1B4C-493C-9155-CF940C76406F@phulse.com> Message-ID: <1945966939.12132717.1374572700235.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi Hans: I understand your suspicions but I wonder how many minutes a dodgy software update would survive before being outted within the Linux community? Considering that after that the entire distro would be black-listed for ever. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hans-Christian Andersen" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 2:36:10 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Deepin Linux Hi Jim, > That said, do you really think that some open source distribution could have a hidden some malware or suspicious code within the program and no one in the world would have noticed it, especially coming out of China? I'm talking about trusting software updates, not software that is currently installed. - Hans On 2013-07-23, at 2:24 AM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Hi Hans: > > No you did not mention China, I did initially, in the original post but assumed that your response to the thread was related to this specific distro. If you were not referring to China I apologize. > > That said, do you really think that some open source distribution could have a hidden some malware or suspicious code within the program and no one in the world would have noticed it, especially coming out of China? > > Correct me if I am wrong but I have never heard of OS malware package before as these products only survive due to their compiled proprietary (hidden) nature. > > Jim > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Hans-Christian Andersen" > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > Sent: Monday, July 22, 2013 8:51:07 PM > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Deepin Linux > > Fyi, I never said anything about china in my previous email, so I'm not sure how you came to that conclusion? > > - Hans > > > On 2013-07-22, at 8:24 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > >> Isn't Debian a core distro and a front end like Ubuntu is distro...because it uses Debian. >> >> Interestingly enough the Deepin Linux distro is built on top of Debian/Ubuntu 13.04. It is basically nothing more than a presentation manager. >> >> I would not just assume that there is some evil intent going on because the distro comes from China anymore than I would assume evil intent just because Windows and Mac OS are proprietary and they come from NSA-USA. >> >> Jim >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Hans-Christian Andersen" >> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" >> Sent: Monday, July 22, 2013 7:44:27 PM >> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Deepin Linux >> >> Eh, I dunno. I'm all for open source, but I don't personally think that, just because something is open source, you can implicitly trust them. >> >> Most linux distros have package managers that update your system from a central location (apt, yum, portage, etc) in binary format, so it's not like you can review system/software updates. You still have to trust what is being installed on your system is what it claims to be. You don't know if the distro maintainers aren't injecting something nasty into your software updates. And how many of us really review the source code of any open source application we install? Very few, I imagine (I don't). >> >> So, I go by a slightly modified trust system. I go for distros that are established and have a large community around it. Debian, for instance, is a perfect example. Debian is a community distro and is not controlled by any single entity, in the spirit of open source and GNU. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/ap-manifesto.en.html >> >> - Hans >> >> >> >> On 2013-07-22, at 3:53 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: >> >>> Hi Martin: >>> >>> Its Open Source...anyone can view the code and can even, subsequently, download the source and recompile it on their own system. That is the thing with OSS projects, if there is any dodgy crap going on, it will be spotted in an instant. >>> >>> It not proprietary like iOS and Windows OS where no one knows what code is running in the background, how invasive it is or how many back-doors are available. With proprietary code you have to assume that the supplier always have your best interests at heart and will never advantage of your activities or data. It all renders down to a simple act of faith. >>> >>> So to answer your question, "Not at all." >>> >>> Jim >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Martin Reid" >>> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" >>> Sent: Monday, July 22, 2013 1:38:28 PM >>> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Deepin Linux >>> >>> So you have no issue taking an OS developed by unknown people in China and installing it to run client business? >>> >>> Just curious >>> >>> Martin >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>> On 22 Jul 2013, at 21:34, "Rocky Smolin" wrote: >>> >>>> "So easy a 60 year old can use it" would have been a better pitch. 12 y.o. >>>> can run anything. :) >>>> >>>> R >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >>>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence >>>> Sent: Monday, July 22, 2013 1:30 PM >>>> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues >>>> Subject: [dba-Tech] Deepin Linux >>>> >>>> There is a new Linux distro out which has been receiving very high rated >>>> reviews called Deepin. >>>> >>>> It is a product the has been totally written in China by a bunch of geeks >>>> there. The attention to detail on this product is spectacular. It has been >>>> loosely described as a cross between Windows 7/8 and a Linux distro. >>>> >>>> http://planet.linuxdeepin.com/2013/06/19/linux-deepin-12-12-is-released/ >>>> >>>> According to reviewers it is excessively easy to use..."So Easy a >>>> 12-year-old Can Use It". Another plus, given that Ubuntu is one of the >>>> fastest desktops, Deepin in comparison is far faster...maybe the fastest >>>> distro of any type. >>>> >>>> This product will definitely reside in one of my virtual drives and if it >>>> stands up to previous billing, I will be looking for friends and businesses >>>> on which to install Deepin. >>>> >>>> Jim >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> dba-Tech mailing list >>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> dba-Tech mailing list >>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> dba-Tech mailing list >>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> dba-Tech mailing list >>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Tue Jul 23 07:37:53 2013 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2013 08:37:53 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] SSL or SSH or Other? In-Reply-To: <368540702.12017984.1374549358453.JavaMail.root@cds002> References: <368540702.12017984.1374549358453.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: Jim. I was unaware of the ability to refer to remote VPN directories as a drive letter. That's enormously valuable. Thanks for that tip. Also thanks for the link to OpenVPN.Net. That might be the way to go with my colleague's app. I'll take it for a spin and see what's working and what isn't. And the pricing is certainly within the boundaries. A. On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 11:15 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Inline: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Arthur Fuller" > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" < > dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com> > Sent: Monday, July 22, 2013 5:45:29 PM > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] SSL or SSH or Other? > > Thanks a lot for your input, guys. I've got some research to do, and I've > asked my colleague some questions about configuration to which I lacked > immediate answers, so I'll continue looking into this as I await his > answers. > > Meanwhile, I will proffer some opinions: > > 1. Since the back end is MySQL, a Linux database server is the best > possible choice. Why bother with licensing the MS Server stuff when the > Linux stuff is both solid and free? > : Not to mention, all things being equal is as much as five times as fast > given specific standard operations. > > 2. Whatever his current configuration is (I'm still awaiting details about > his database server), subsequent recommendations will be based on that > answer. > : Note, that if you are using a VPN, you can just refer to remote drives > with directory using drive letter which makes it real easy to run local and > remote applications > > That's about all I have to offer as I await his responses to my questions. > Those responses may or may not limit the choices available. Following Jim's > suggestion to investigate OpenVPN.Net, I have visited the site and am > currently ignoring the TV and reading the material. > > :Absolutely excellent movie. > And speaking of TV, last night I watched Blood Diamond, of which I have a > copy on my bookshelf but haven't watched since its immediate release. What > an incredible movie! I don't recall whether Leonardo diCapreo won an Oscar > for this film, but if not it's travesty. In every possible way, this film > is magnificent -- but most of all, aside from the shots of the African > sunsets, is the performance by DiCapreo, and Djiomin Hounsou and Jennifer > Connelly -- not to mention the exposure of the blood diamond trade. > > Please excuse the irrelevant venture into clearly-OT topics, but I found > this film so unforgettable that I am still reeling from its power, despite > my interests in the original question. > > Arthur > > > On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 4:17 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil >wrote: > > > Hi Jim -- > > > > "Watch What You Say"! :) (see below) > > > > > in the age of PRISM this becomes so very important > > It (VPN encryption) might soon become useless: > > > > "The NSA Is Building the Country?s Biggest Spy Center (Watch What You > Say)" > > http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2012/03/ff_nsadatacenter/all/1 -- > Shamil > > > > Monday, July 22, 2013 11:28 AM -06:00 from Jim Lawrence >: > > >Hi Arthur: > > > > > >I am hardly an network expert but for secure connection across internet > I > > would suggest a VPN type network. If done properly, staff with the > > appropriate usernames and passwords can connect in to business network > > through either standard or a specific dedicated address:port installed on > > the company's router. > > > > > >There are a slew of VPN products out there with all sort of features and > > costs. I have one that is installed on my laptop which gives me full > access > > to my entire network when I am on the road...it supports any protocol as > > its is only a tunnel, even RDP. > > > > > >It is called OpenVPN ( http://openvpn.net/ ) and as my resource are > > limited the price is right. The product has clients for any OS but server > > end must be Linux based...not a problem for yourself as it runs fine on > any > > version of Distro, that uses Debian. If the business wants their server > end > > hosted it will cost $6.00 per connection per year (I am sure there are > > volume discounts). > > > > > >I would recommend you set up your own in-house server as once setup > > properly it can left to its own devices as it just works. The beauty of > > hosting is that once a connection is established the client and server > are > > directly linked, no third party intervention is needed. This is of course > > is great for security and in the age of PRISM this becomes so very > > important. > > > > > >HTH > > >Jim > > <<< skipped >>> > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > -- > Arthur > Cell: 647.710.1314 > > Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. > -- Niels Bohr > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. -- Niels Bohr From paul.hartland at googlemail.com Tue Jul 23 10:26:49 2013 From: paul.hartland at googlemail.com (Paul Hartland) Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2013 16:26:49 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Deepin Linux In-Reply-To: <1165193147.11747432.1374525008832.JavaMail.root@cds002> References: <1165193147.11747432.1374525008832.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: To all, Sorry to jump in with a slight tangent, I have been thinking of setting up a dual boot type system where I choose to use either Windows or Linux, I have been a bit iffy about this in the past, what is the best way to go about it, do I have to wipe everything from my PC first etc then install the linux ? Thanks for any help in advance. Paul On 22 July 2013 21:30, Jim Lawrence wrote: > There is a new Linux distro out which has been receiving very high rated > reviews called Deepin. > > It is a product the has been totally written in China by a bunch of geeks > there. The attention to detail on this product is spectacular. It has been > loosely described as a cross between Windows 7/8 and a Linux distro. > > http://planet.linuxdeepin.com/2013/06/19/linux-deepin-12-12-is-released/ > > According to reviewers it is excessively easy to use..."So Easy a > 12-year-old Can Use It". Another plus, given that Ubuntu is one of the > fastest desktops, Deepin in comparison is far faster...maybe the fastest > distro of any type. > > This product will definitely reside in one of my virtual drives and if it > stands up to previous billing, I will be looking for friends and businesses > on which to install Deepin. > > Jim > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Paul Hartland paul.hartland at googlemail.com From accessd at shaw.ca Tue Jul 23 11:50:11 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2013 10:50:11 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] SSL or SSH or Other? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1400770609.12450515.1374598211006.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi Arthur: I am glad that info could help. Had another thought, you could also use the product called Hamachi. The company originally was from Vancouver and I had the opportunity to hear a discussion on their product and actually spoke to the programmer, a graduate from UBC...brilliant fellow. The Hamachi product pioneered the business encryption level of AES256. A few years later the company LogMeIn bought the company and now sells Hamachi as one their products and as I have just observered, they have extended its functionality dramatically...full networking. https://secure.logmein.com/products/hamachi/ The cost of the product is really quite reasonable: https://secure.logmein.com/products/hamachi/purchase.aspx (LogMeIn now uses the Hamachi level security for all its products...even Steve Gibson has given Hamachi super high reviews.) I have used it for years for supporting remote servers but only as a "one of" and never as a remote a network. Again, you have access connections as drive letters. The drive automatically connects a soon as you turn on your laptop or PC. PS LogMeIn's support staff is very good...they speak English very well. ;-) Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arthur Fuller" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 5:37:53 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] SSL or SSH or Other? Jim. I was unaware of the ability to refer to remote VPN directories as a drive letter. That's enormously valuable. Thanks for that tip. Also thanks for the link to OpenVPN.Net. That might be the way to go with my colleague's app. I'll take it for a spin and see what's working and what isn't. And the pricing is certainly within the boundaries. A. On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 11:15 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Inline: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Arthur Fuller" > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" < > dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com> > Sent: Monday, July 22, 2013 5:45:29 PM > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] SSL or SSH or Other? > > Thanks a lot for your input, guys. I've got some research to do, and I've > asked my colleague some questions about configuration to which I lacked > immediate answers, so I'll continue looking into this as I await his > answers. > > Meanwhile, I will proffer some opinions: > > 1. Since the back end is MySQL, a Linux database server is the best > possible choice. Why bother with licensing the MS Server stuff when the > Linux stuff is both solid and free? > : Not to mention, all things being equal is as much as five times as fast > given specific standard operations. > > 2. Whatever his current configuration is (I'm still awaiting details about > his database server), subsequent recommendations will be based on that > answer. > : Note, that if you are using a VPN, you can just refer to remote drives > with directory using drive letter which makes it real easy to run local and > remote applications > > That's about all I have to offer as I await his responses to my questions. > Those responses may or may not limit the choices available. Following Jim's > suggestion to investigate OpenVPN.Net, I have visited the site and am > currently ignoring the TV and reading the material. > > :Absolutely excellent movie. > And speaking of TV, last night I watched Blood Diamond, of which I have a > copy on my bookshelf but haven't watched since its immediate release. What > an incredible movie! I don't recall whether Leonardo diCapreo won an Oscar > for this film, but if not it's travesty. In every possible way, this film > is magnificent -- but most of all, aside from the shots of the African > sunsets, is the performance by DiCapreo, and Djiomin Hounsou and Jennifer > Connelly -- not to mention the exposure of the blood diamond trade. > > Please excuse the irrelevant venture into clearly-OT topics, but I found > this film so unforgettable that I am still reeling from its power, despite > my interests in the original question. > > Arthur > > > On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 4:17 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil >wrote: > > > Hi Jim -- > > > > "Watch What You Say"! :) (see below) > > > > > in the age of PRISM this becomes so very important > > It (VPN encryption) might soon become useless: > > > > "The NSA Is Building the Country?s Biggest Spy Center (Watch What You > Say)" > > http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2012/03/ff_nsadatacenter/all/1 -- > Shamil > > > > Monday, July 22, 2013 11:28 AM -06:00 from Jim Lawrence >: > > >Hi Arthur: > > > > > >I am hardly an network expert but for secure connection across internet > I > > would suggest a VPN type network. If done properly, staff with the > > appropriate usernames and passwords can connect in to business network > > through either standard or a specific dedicated address:port installed on > > the company's router. > > > > > >There are a slew of VPN products out there with all sort of features and > > costs. I have one that is installed on my laptop which gives me full > access > > to my entire network when I am on the road...it supports any protocol as > > its is only a tunnel, even RDP. > > > > > >It is called OpenVPN ( http://openvpn.net/ ) and as my resource are > > limited the price is right. The product has clients for any OS but server > > end must be Linux based...not a problem for yourself as it runs fine on > any > > version of Distro, that uses Debian. If the business wants their server > end > > hosted it will cost $6.00 per connection per year (I am sure there are > > volume discounts). > > > > > >I would recommend you set up your own in-house server as once setup > > properly it can left to its own devices as it just works. The beauty of > > hosting is that once a connection is established the client and server > are > > directly linked, no third party intervention is needed. This is of course > > is great for security and in the age of PRISM this becomes so very > > important. > > > > > >HTH > > >Jim > > <<< skipped >>> > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > -- > Arthur > Cell: 647.710.1314 > > Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. > -- Niels Bohr > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. -- Niels Bohr _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From hans.andersen at phulse.com Tue Jul 23 12:31:14 2013 From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen) Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2013 10:31:14 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] SSL or SSH or Other? In-Reply-To: References: <368540702.12017984.1374549358453.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: Hi Arthur, I'm in agreement with Jim here. Openvpn would probably be the best solution here. SSH works great, but you will take a performance hit. - Hans On 2013-07-23, at 5:37 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > Jim. > > I was unaware of the ability to refer to remote VPN directories as a drive > letter. That's enormously valuable. Thanks for that tip. > > Also thanks for the link to OpenVPN.Net. That might be the way to go with > my colleague's app. I'll take it for a spin and see what's working and what > isn't. And the pricing is certainly within the boundaries. > > A. > > > On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 11:15 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > >> Inline: >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Arthur Fuller" >> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" < >> dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com> >> Sent: Monday, July 22, 2013 5:45:29 PM >> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] SSL or SSH or Other? >> >> Thanks a lot for your input, guys. I've got some research to do, and I've >> asked my colleague some questions about configuration to which I lacked >> immediate answers, so I'll continue looking into this as I await his >> answers. >> >> Meanwhile, I will proffer some opinions: >> >> 1. Since the back end is MySQL, a Linux database server is the best >> possible choice. Why bother with licensing the MS Server stuff when the >> Linux stuff is both solid and free? >> : Not to mention, all things being equal is as much as five times as fast >> given specific standard operations. >> >> 2. Whatever his current configuration is (I'm still awaiting details about >> his database server), subsequent recommendations will be based on that >> answer. >> : Note, that if you are using a VPN, you can just refer to remote drives >> with directory using drive letter which makes it real easy to run local and >> remote applications >> >> That's about all I have to offer as I await his responses to my questions. >> Those responses may or may not limit the choices available. Following Jim's >> suggestion to investigate OpenVPN.Net, I have visited the site and am >> currently ignoring the TV and reading the material. >> >> :Absolutely excellent movie. >> And speaking of TV, last night I watched Blood Diamond, of which I have a >> copy on my bookshelf but haven't watched since its immediate release. What >> an incredible movie! I don't recall whether Leonardo diCapreo won an Oscar >> for this film, but if not it's travesty. In every possible way, this film >> is magnificent -- but most of all, aside from the shots of the African >> sunsets, is the performance by DiCapreo, and Djiomin Hounsou and Jennifer >> Connelly -- not to mention the exposure of the blood diamond trade. >> >> Please excuse the irrelevant venture into clearly-OT topics, but I found >> this film so unforgettable that I am still reeling from its power, despite >> my interests in the original question. >> >> Arthur >> >> >> On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 4:17 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil >> wrote: >> >>> Hi Jim -- >>> >>> "Watch What You Say"! :) (see below) >>> >>>> in the age of PRISM this becomes so very important >>> It (VPN encryption) might soon become useless: >>> >>> "The NSA Is Building the Country?s Biggest Spy Center (Watch What You >> Say)" >>> http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2012/03/ff_nsadatacenter/all/1 -- >> Shamil >>> >>> Monday, July 22, 2013 11:28 AM -06:00 from Jim Lawrence >> : >>>> Hi Arthur: >>>> >>>> I am hardly an network expert but for secure connection across internet >> I >>> would suggest a VPN type network. If done properly, staff with the >>> appropriate usernames and passwords can connect in to business network >>> through either standard or a specific dedicated address:port installed on >>> the company's router. >>>> >>>> There are a slew of VPN products out there with all sort of features and >>> costs. I have one that is installed on my laptop which gives me full >> access >>> to my entire network when I am on the road...it supports any protocol as >>> its is only a tunnel, even RDP. >>>> >>>> It is called OpenVPN ( http://openvpn.net/ ) and as my resource are >>> limited the price is right. The product has clients for any OS but server >>> end must be Linux based...not a problem for yourself as it runs fine on >> any >>> version of Distro, that uses Debian. If the business wants their server >> end >>> hosted it will cost $6.00 per connection per year (I am sure there are >>> volume discounts). >>>> >>>> I would recommend you set up your own in-house server as once setup >>> properly it can left to its own devices as it just works. The beauty of >>> hosting is that once a connection is established the client and server >> are >>> directly linked, no third party intervention is needed. This is of course >>> is great for security and in the age of PRISM this becomes so very >>> important. >>>> >>>> HTH >>>> Jim >>> <<< skipped >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> dba-Tech mailing list >>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> >> >> -- >> Arthur >> Cell: 647.710.1314 >> >> Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. >> -- Niels Bohr >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > -- > Arthur > Cell: 647.710.1314 > > Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. > -- Niels Bohr > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Tue Jul 23 12:49:10 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2013 11:49:10 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] Create a Windows 8.1 Preview dual-boot setup on your Windows XP system In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <101727635.12515934.1374601750770.JavaMail.root@cds002> Here is how to do with pictures and everything. http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/windows-and-office/create-a-windows-81-preview-dual-boot-setup-on-your-windows-xp-system/ Jim From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Tue Jul 23 13:19:58 2013 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2013 11:19:58 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] FW: FW: Deepin Linux Message-ID: <5FB441DDCC8540C3A444F4045C9AD862@HAL9007> just passin' the message along ... _____ From: Noah Sutton Smolin [mailto:noahsutsmo at gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 10:12 AM To: Rocky Smolin Subject: Re: FW: [dba-Tech] Deepin Linux Just tell Mark to install CrunchBang and it 'll be fine ;P On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 7:27 AM, Rocky Smolin wrote: There are several more posts this morning on this thread. If you are interested I will forward them to you. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 1:35 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Deepin Linux Hi Hans, this is taking a slight tangent, but I hope you will not mind me commenting anyway. I love open source software. At the weekend, I installed Ubuntu 13.04 on an old slow laptop, it was ok, but still slow. So then I installed Kubuntu, Mint 15 and and two others the name escapes me, but they were also based on Ubuntu. None of the others picked up the wireless card correctly and Mint had some video corruption issues. I just re-installed Ubuntu and all was ok. I was surprised that the Ubuntu derivatives did not work as well as the full Ubuntu. Anyway, the machine is still a little slow, but it was dreadful when it had Vista - at least it is working now. On 23 July 2013 03:44, Hans-Christian Andersen wrote: > Eh, I dunno. I'm all for open source, but I don't personally think > that, just because something is open source, you can implicitly trust them. > > Most linux distros have package managers that update your system from > a central location (apt, yum, portage, etc) in binary format, so it's > not like you can review system/software updates. You still have to > trust what is being installed on your system is what it claims to be. > You don't know if the distro maintainers aren't injecting something > nasty into your software updates. And how many of us really review the > source code of any open source application we install? Very few, I imagine (I don't). > > So, I go by a slightly modified trust system. I go for distros that > are established and have a large community around it. Debian, for > instance, is a perfect example. Debian is a community distro and is > not controlled by any single entity, in the spirit of open source and GNU. > http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/ap-manifesto.en.html > > - Hans > > > > On 2013-07-22, at 3:53 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > > > Hi Martin: > > > > Its Open Source...anyone can view the code and can even, > > subsequently, > download the source and recompile it on their own system. That is the > thing with OSS projects, if there is any dodgy crap going on, it will > be spotted in an instant. > > > > It not proprietary like iOS and Windows OS where no one knows what > > code > is running in the background, how invasive it is or how many > back-doors are available. With proprietary code you have to assume > that the supplier always have your best interests at heart and will > never advantage of your activities or data. It all renders down to a simple act of faith. > > > > So to answer your question, "Not at all." > > > > Jim > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Martin Reid" > > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" < > dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com> > > Sent: Monday, July 22, 2013 1:38:28 PM > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Deepin Linux > > > > So you have no issue taking an OS developed by unknown people in > > China > and installing it to run client business? > > > > Just curious > > > > Martin > > > > Sent from my iPad > > > > On 22 Jul 2013, at 21:34, "Rocky Smolin" wrote: > > > >> "So easy a 60 year old can use it" would have been a better pitch. > >> 12 > y.o. > >> can run anything. :) > >> > >> R > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > >> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim > Lawrence > >> Sent: Monday, July 22, 2013 1:30 PM > >> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > >> Subject: [dba-Tech] Deepin Linux > >> > >> There is a new Linux distro out which has been receiving very high > >> rated reviews called Deepin. > >> > >> It is a product the has been totally written in China by a bunch of > geeks > >> there. The attention to detail on this product is spectacular. It > >> has > been > >> loosely described as a cross between Windows 7/8 and a Linux distro. > >> > >> > http://planet.linuxdeepin.com/2013/06/19/linux-deepin-12-12-is-release > d/ > >> > >> According to reviewers it is excessively easy to use..."So Easy a > >> 12-year-old Can Use It". Another plus, given that Ubuntu is one of > >> the fastest desktops, Deepin in comparison is far faster...maybe > >> the fastest distro of any type. > >> > >> This product will definitely reside in one of my virtual drives and > >> if > it > >> stands up to previous billing, I will be looking for friends and > businesses > >> on which to install Deepin. > >> > >> Jim > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> dba-Tech mailing list > >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> dba-Tech mailing list > >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Tue Jul 23 13:39:14 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2013 12:39:14 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] 3D printing will explode in 2014, thanks to the expiration of key patents In-Reply-To: <1400770609.12450515.1374598211006.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: <1088808048.12565358.1374604754549.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi All: For a long time unused patents have been holding up the whole advancements in 3D printing. As of 2014 they are gone so we can expect a flurry of inexpensive and very flexible 3D printers. http://qz.com/106483/3d-printing-will-explode-in-2014-thanks-to-the-expiration-of-key-patents/ Jim From accessd at shaw.ca Tue Jul 23 14:08:26 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2013 13:08:26 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] Deepin Linux In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1909985799.12593164.1374606506587.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi Paul: Definitely not. The simplest method of getting the Linux distro ready for installation is to download the ISO from the hosting site and then use some product like Imgburn to create a self booting DVD. All you need is enough extra room on you computer to do a modest install (Linux distros tend to be smaller than other OSs). Just start installing, Linux immediately recognizes the Windows install and ask if you would like a dual boot and how much room would you like to allocate your Linux distro. Automatically, a Linux partition of the size you entered and the boot track in linked to a GRUB display. In most modern Linux distros, the installation process tends to just be ...almost brain dead. ;-) When the install is complete and the system is rebooted, a display will appear prompting for which OS you wish to run. You can modify the GRUB's properties, within Linux, through editing a simple text file. From there you can choose which OS is first (default) in the list and even have the boot automatically proceed after a certain length of time. So in effect you can have you cake and eat it to. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Hartland" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 8:26:49 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Deepin Linux To all, Sorry to jump in with a slight tangent, I have been thinking of setting up a dual boot type system where I choose to use either Windows or Linux, I have been a bit iffy about this in the past, what is the best way to go about it, do I have to wipe everything from my PC first etc then install the linux ? Thanks for any help in advance. Paul On 22 July 2013 21:30, Jim Lawrence wrote: > There is a new Linux distro out which has been receiving very high rated > reviews called Deepin. > > It is a product the has been totally written in China by a bunch of geeks > there. The attention to detail on this product is spectacular. It has been > loosely described as a cross between Windows 7/8 and a Linux distro. > > http://planet.linuxdeepin.com/2013/06/19/linux-deepin-12-12-is-released/ > > According to reviewers it is excessively easy to use..."So Easy a > 12-year-old Can Use It". Another plus, given that Ubuntu is one of the > fastest desktops, Deepin in comparison is far faster...maybe the fastest > distro of any type. > > This product will definitely reside in one of my virtual drives and if it > stands up to previous billing, I will be looking for friends and businesses > on which to install Deepin. > > Jim > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Paul Hartland paul.hartland at googlemail.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Gustav at cactus.dk Tue Jul 23 15:21:20 2013 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2013 22:21:20 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Deepin Linux Message-ID: Hi Jim Not amazing but scaring. /gustav >>> accessd at shaw.ca 23-07-13 11:06 >>> There are a number of distros built on top of Debian; Ubuntu, Mint, Xubuntu, CrunchBang... I doubt any one could remember them all but there are supposed to be somewhere around 50 plus such products, if you count the variants and deviations and obviously there are more all the time. I had never looked at a list of distributions before but number and variation is amazing: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Linux_distributions Jim From accessd at shaw.ca Tue Jul 23 16:55:31 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2013 15:55:31 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] Deepin Linux In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <199587902.12744164.1374616531382.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi Gustav: Variety is the spice of life and these distros are not a stand-alone OSS but more likef a pretty desktop on top of Linux-Debian/Slackware/Fedora and so on. This of course allows anyone with more time than they know what to do with, to crank out their desktops and customize their own working environment to the nth degree and then post it and see if there are other that agree. I personally wish Windows was like that so there would be dozens of desktops for every situation and platform... and easy to exchange if so desired. Microsoft's virtual bare-bones command-prompt server is starting to attract this type of attention and we may have a number of distro to choose from, in the future. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gustav Brock" To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 1:21:20 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Deepin Linux Hi Jim Not amazing but scaring. /gustav >>> accessd at shaw.ca 23-07-13 11:06 >>> There are a number of distros built on top of Debian; Ubuntu, Mint, Xubuntu, CrunchBang... I doubt any one could remember them all but there are supposed to be somewhere around 50 plus such products, if you count the variants and deviations and obviously there are more all the time. I had never looked at a list of distributions before but number and variation is amazing: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Linux_distributions Jim _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From paul.hartland at googlemail.com Tue Jul 23 22:57:42 2013 From: paul.hartland at googlemail.com (Paul Hartland) Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2013 04:57:42 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Deepin Linux In-Reply-To: <1909985799.12593164.1374606506587.JavaMail.root@cds002> References: <1909985799.12593164.1374606506587.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: Jim, Sounds cool, may have a go later today, I remember a few years back (well 20 to be precise) I was studying at Kalamazoo learning basic and C on Unix/Xenix operating system (forgot it all now) and the tutor said something like red hat (still about I think) was like a unix system, we all chipped in about ?2 each from the class to buy a copy and no one could get it to install properly, that's why I am a bit concerned, about getting a Linux type system to work. Anyway like I say will give it a go a bit later or tomorrow and thank you for your help. Paul On 23 July 2013 20:08, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Hi Paul: > > Definitely not. > > The simplest method of getting the Linux distro ready for installation is > to download the ISO from the hosting site and then use some product like > Imgburn to create a self booting DVD. > > All you need is enough extra room on you computer to do a modest install > (Linux distros tend to be smaller than other OSs). Just start installing, > Linux immediately recognizes the Windows install and ask if you would like > a dual boot and how much room would you like to allocate your Linux distro. > Automatically, a Linux partition of the size you entered and the boot track > in linked to a GRUB display. In most modern Linux distros, the installation > process tends to just be ...almost brain dead. ;-) > When the install is complete and the system is rebooted, a display will > appear prompting for which OS you wish to run. > > You can modify the GRUB's properties, within Linux, through editing a > simple text file. From there you can choose which OS is first (default) in > the list and even have the boot automatically proceed after a certain > length of time. > > So in effect you can have you cake and eat it to. > > Jim > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul Hartland" > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" < > dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com> > Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 8:26:49 AM > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Deepin Linux > > To all, > > Sorry to jump in with a slight tangent, I have been thinking of setting up > a dual boot type system where I choose to use either Windows or Linux, I > have been a bit iffy about this in the past, what is the best way to go > about it, do I have to wipe everything from my PC first etc then install > the linux ? > > Thanks for any help in advance. > > Paul > > > On 22 July 2013 21:30, Jim Lawrence wrote: > > > There is a new Linux distro out which has been receiving very high rated > > reviews called Deepin. > > > > It is a product the has been totally written in China by a bunch of geeks > > there. The attention to detail on this product is spectacular. It has > been > > loosely described as a cross between Windows 7/8 and a Linux distro. > > > > http://planet.linuxdeepin.com/2013/06/19/linux-deepin-12-12-is-released/ > > > > According to reviewers it is excessively easy to use..."So Easy a > > 12-year-old Can Use It". Another plus, given that Ubuntu is one of the > > fastest desktops, Deepin in comparison is far faster...maybe the fastest > > distro of any type. > > > > This product will definitely reside in one of my virtual drives and if it > > stands up to previous billing, I will be looking for friends and > businesses > > on which to install Deepin. > > > > Jim > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > -- > Paul Hartland > paul.hartland at googlemail.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Paul Hartland paul.hartland at googlemail.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Wed Jul 24 00:44:00 2013 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2013 15:44:00 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Deepin Linux In-Reply-To: <199587902.12744164.1374616531382.JavaMail.root@cds002> References: , <199587902.12744164.1374616531382.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: <51EF69A0.6947.3D24735C@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> And that, ladies and gentlemen is why Linux has such a hard time getting a pruchase in a business environment. I personally am VERY glad that there are only a limited number of Windows desktops so that I can talk Susie User through things. -- Stuart On 23 Jul 2013 at 15:55, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Hi Gustav: > > Variety is the spice of life and these distros are not a stand-alone > OSS but more likef a pretty desktop on top of > Linux-Debian/Slackware/Fedora and so on. This of course allows anyone > with more time than they know what to do with, to crank out their > desktops and customize their own working environment to the nth degree > and then post it and see if there are other that agree. > > I personally wish Windows was like that so there would be dozens of > desktops for every situation and platform... and easy to exchange if > so desired. Microsoft's virtual bare-bones command-prompt server is > starting to attract this type of attention and we may have a number of > distro to choose from, in the future. > From accessd at shaw.ca Wed Jul 24 02:01:12 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2013 01:01:12 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] Deepin Linux In-Reply-To: <51EF69A0.6947.3D24735C@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <877565831.13068560.1374649272334.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi Stuart: I know your concerns. Yesterday, I talked my daughter through install Ubuntu 13.04. I handed her the DVD and said follow the prompts and ask me if you have any questions. Other than her being concerned that it was too easy and maybe she had done something wrong it went through flawlessly. Of course I was doing this for fun on a new (very cheap return leased box) PC. (Note: she has installed various Windows distro like XP, Vista and Windows7 before but this was her first Linux install) I know there are still people that have a major problems even installing MS Office or any package for that matter...if there is any way to screw up they will but that is because they are have difficulties reading the prompts. ;-) Even my aunt can install Office and she is 88. (She did have us over for supper in case she ran into problems but wanted to do it herself...and no issues.) If you can talk Susie through installing Windows you can talk her through installing, my current favourite, Ubuntu Linux. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stuart McLachlan" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 10:44:00 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Deepin Linux And that, ladies and gentlemen is why Linux has such a hard time getting a pruchase in a business environment. I personally am VERY glad that there are only a limited number of Windows desktops so that I can talk Susie User through things. -- Stuart On 23 Jul 2013 at 15:55, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Hi Gustav: > > Variety is the spice of life and these distros are not a stand-alone > OSS but more likef a pretty desktop on top of > Linux-Debian/Slackware/Fedora and so on. This of course allows anyone > with more time than they know what to do with, to crank out their > desktops and customize their own working environment to the nth degree > and then post it and see if there are other that agree. > > I personally wish Windows was like that so there would be dozens of > desktops for every situation and platform... and easy to exchange if > so desired. Microsoft's virtual bare-bones command-prompt server is > starting to attract this type of attention and we may have a number of > distro to choose from, in the future. > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From marklbreen at gmail.com Wed Jul 24 02:08:40 2013 From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen) Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2013 08:08:40 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Deepin Linux In-Reply-To: References: <1165193147.11747432.1374525008832.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: Hello Paul, If your machine is desktop, I suggest drop in a second hard disk, any size will do and change your boot sequence in your BIOS and then install Linux on that. If you are like me and nervous, then just disconnect your hard drives completely from the motherboard when you are doing the installation. If your machine is a laptop, just pop the cover off where the hard drive is and remove it and drop in another drive. Both of these options give you safe clean ways to play with linux. If you do not have a harddisk, or do not feel comfortable messing with hard drives, then just install a virtual machine software on your windows and install linux to the VM, it is also clean, easy and does not interfere with your bootable drive. Finally, if you want some background to OpenSource software have a read of "The Cathedral and the Bazaar" It will open your mind. Mark On 23 July 2013 16:26, Paul Hartland wrote: > To all, > > Sorry to jump in with a slight tangent, I have been thinking of setting up > a dual boot type system where I choose to use either Windows or Linux, I > have been a bit iffy about this in the past, what is the best way to go > about it, do I have to wipe everything from my PC first etc then install > the linux ? > > Thanks for any help in advance. > > Paul > > > On 22 July 2013 21:30, Jim Lawrence wrote: > > > There is a new Linux distro out which has been receiving very high rated > > reviews called Deepin. > > > > It is a product the has been totally written in China by a bunch of geeks > > there. The attention to detail on this product is spectacular. It has > been > > loosely described as a cross between Windows 7/8 and a Linux distro. > > > > http://planet.linuxdeepin.com/2013/06/19/linux-deepin-12-12-is-released/ > > > > According to reviewers it is excessively easy to use..."So Easy a > > 12-year-old Can Use It". Another plus, given that Ubuntu is one of the > > fastest desktops, Deepin in comparison is far faster...maybe the fastest > > distro of any type. > > > > This product will definitely reside in one of my virtual drives and if it > > stands up to previous billing, I will be looking for friends and > businesses > > on which to install Deepin. > > > > Jim > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > -- > Paul Hartland > paul.hartland at googlemail.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From fuller.artful at gmail.com Wed Jul 24 03:27:37 2013 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2013 04:27:37 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] SSL or SSH or Other? In-Reply-To: References: <368540702.12017984.1374549358453.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: Thanks Jim and Hans-Christian. I'm reading the LogMeIn and OpenVPN info now, to determine which might provide the best solution for this problem. Arthur On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 1:31 PM, Hans-Christian Andersen < hans.andersen at phulse.com> wrote: > Hi Arthur, > > I'm in agreement with Jim here. Openvpn would probably be the best > solution here. SSH works great, but you will take a performance hit. > > - Hans > > > On 2013-07-23, at 5:37 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > > > Jim. > > > > I was unaware of the ability to refer to remote VPN directories as a > drive > > letter. That's enormously valuable. Thanks for that tip. > > > > Also thanks for the link to OpenVPN.Net. That might be the way to go with > > my colleague's app. I'll take it for a spin and see what's working and > what > > isn't. And the pricing is certainly within the boundaries. > > > > A. > > > > > > On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 11:15 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > > > >> Inline: > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Arthur Fuller" > >> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" < > >> dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com> > >> Sent: Monday, July 22, 2013 5:45:29 PM > >> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] SSL or SSH or Other? > >> > >> Thanks a lot for your input, guys. I've got some research to do, and > I've > >> asked my colleague some questions about configuration to which I lacked > >> immediate answers, so I'll continue looking into this as I await his > >> answers. > >> > >> Meanwhile, I will proffer some opinions: > >> > >> 1. Since the back end is MySQL, a Linux database server is the best > >> possible choice. Why bother with licensing the MS Server stuff when the > >> Linux stuff is both solid and free? > >> : Not to mention, all things being equal is as much as five times as > fast > >> given specific standard operations. > >> > >> 2. Whatever his current configuration is (I'm still awaiting details > about > >> his database server), subsequent recommendations will be based on that > >> answer. > >> : Note, that if you are using a VPN, you can just refer to remote drives > >> with directory using drive letter which makes it real easy to run local > and > >> remote applications > >> > >> That's about all I have to offer as I await his responses to my > questions. > >> Those responses may or may not limit the choices available. Following > Jim's > >> suggestion to investigate OpenVPN.Net, I have visited the site and am > >> currently ignoring the TV and reading the material. > >> > >> :Absolutely excellent movie. > >> And speaking of TV, last night I watched Blood Diamond, of which I have > a > >> copy on my bookshelf but haven't watched since its immediate release. > What > >> an incredible movie! I don't recall whether Leonardo diCapreo won an > Oscar > >> for this film, but if not it's travesty. In every possible way, this > film > >> is magnificent -- but most of all, aside from the shots of the African > >> sunsets, is the performance by DiCapreo, and Djiomin Hounsou and > Jennifer > >> Connelly -- not to mention the exposure of the blood diamond trade. > >> > >> Please excuse the irrelevant venture into clearly-OT topics, but I found > >> this film so unforgettable that I am still reeling from its power, > despite > >> my interests in the original question. > >> > >> Arthur > >> > >> > >> On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 4:17 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil >>> wrote: > >> > >>> Hi Jim -- > >>> > >>> "Watch What You Say"! :) (see below) > >>> > >>>> in the age of PRISM this becomes so very important > >>> It (VPN encryption) might soon become useless: > >>> > >>> "The NSA Is Building the Country?s Biggest Spy Center (Watch What You > >> Say)" > >>> http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2012/03/ff_nsadatacenter/all/1 -- > >> Shamil > >>> > >>> Monday, July 22, 2013 11:28 AM -06:00 from Jim Lawrence < > accessd at shaw.ca > >>> : > >>>> Hi Arthur: > >>>> > >>>> I am hardly an network expert but for secure connection across > internet > >> I > >>> would suggest a VPN type network. If done properly, staff with the > >>> appropriate usernames and passwords can connect in to business network > >>> through either standard or a specific dedicated address:port installed > on > >>> the company's router. > >>>> > >>>> There are a slew of VPN products out there with all sort of features > and > >>> costs. I have one that is installed on my laptop which gives me full > >> access > >>> to my entire network when I am on the road...it supports any protocol > as > >>> its is only a tunnel, even RDP. > >>>> > >>>> It is called OpenVPN ( http://openvpn.net/ ) and as my resource are > >>> limited the price is right. The product has clients for any OS but > server > >>> end must be Linux based...not a problem for yourself as it runs fine on > >> any > >>> version of Distro, that uses Debian. If the business wants their server > >> end > >>> hosted it will cost $6.00 per connection per year (I am sure there are > >>> volume discounts). > >>>> > >>>> I would recommend you set up your own in-house server as once setup > >>> properly it can left to its own devices as it just works. The beauty of > >>> hosting is that once a connection is established the client and server > >> are > >>> directly linked, no third party intervention is needed. This is of > course > >>> is great for security and in the age of PRISM this becomes so very > >>> important. > >>>> > >>>> HTH > >>>> Jim > >>> <<< skipped >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> dba-Tech mailing list > >>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Arthur > >> Cell: 647.710.1314 > >> > >> Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. > >> -- Niels Bohr > >> _______________________________________________ > >> dba-Tech mailing list > >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> dba-Tech mailing list > >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > -- > > Arthur > > Cell: 647.710.1314 > > > > Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. > > -- Niels Bohr > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. -- Niels Bohr From fuller.artful at gmail.com Wed Jul 24 08:06:53 2013 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2013 09:06:53 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Installing WIndows 7 Backup Message-ID: This is very peculiar. I've backed up my main drive several times before, but now when I try to do it, Windows 7 tells me it's not installed, and that to install it I should go to Control Panel and select Install and from there select it and it will install. But I can't find it in the list. Maybe I'm looking in the wrong place. I looked in Windows Features. Can anyone help me find it? -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. -- Niels Bohr From accessd at shaw.ca Wed Jul 24 09:07:47 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2013 08:07:47 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] Installing WIndows 7 Backup In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <381762018.13237120.1374674867649.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi Arthur: I wish I could help you but I use another backup...to be honest I never knew Windows 7 had a backup; never even looked. As it is just a station, for quick backups I have been dumping to a Cloud drive (GoogleDrive and the NSA may need to look at them), for more extensive backups I have been using ShadowCopy as it does a non intrusive backup while you work and finally, I use DriveImageXML, DIX which makes a image of the entire drive (if you use a DIX backup from a DVD it will do a complete drive copy, boot tracks and all), initially to a portable drive but finally to my main backup server. DIX is good in the case of a catastrophic failure as it can creates a one hundred percent image. The reason I would not trust a Windows backup is because the backup is version (distro) dependent (DIX is self-contained (backup/restore/view) and is static), a full Windows backup does not backup all the files (it doesn't touch protected or running files), it presumes that your Windows is actually working and finally, I like being able, in the case of a full Drive-Image backup copy, being able to easily cherry-pick any file right out of the image file. No major company would ever trust a Windows Backup system. I have seen Clonezilla being used as it can backup all systems, Mac, Linux and Windows and it can even run as a server controller for a network doing a full over-night backup, but it does take a bit of effort to setup and configure. GoogleDrive (Mac/Windows): https://drive.google.com/#my-drive ShadowCopy (Windows all recent versions): http://www.runtime.org/shadow-copy.htm DriveImageXML (Windows all recent versions): http://www.runtime.org/driveimage-xml.htm Clonezella: (Everything): http://clonezilla.org/ Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arthur Fuller" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2013 6:06:53 AM Subject: [dba-Tech] Installing WIndows 7 Backup This is very peculiar. I've backed up my main drive several times before, but now when I try to do it, Windows 7 tells me it's not installed, and that to install it I should go to Control Panel and select Install and from there select it and it will install. But I can't find it in the list. Maybe I'm looking in the wrong place. I looked in Windows Features. Can anyone help me find it? -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. -- Niels Bohr _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Wed Jul 24 11:48:21 2013 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2013 12:48:21 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Installing WIndows 7 Backup In-Reply-To: <381762018.13237120.1374674867649.JavaMail.root@cds002> References: <381762018.13237120.1374674867649.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: Thanks for the tips and links, Jim. I shall follow them and see what appeals most. Since I have a couple of large-capacity external drives, I think I may go with any of your suggestions, but first I'll need to read up on them. Arthur On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 10:07 AM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Hi Arthur: > > I wish I could help you but I use another backup...to be honest I never > knew Windows 7 had a backup; never even looked. > > As it is just a station, for quick backups I have been dumping to a Cloud > drive (GoogleDrive and the NSA may need to look at them), for more > extensive backups I have been using ShadowCopy as it does a non intrusive > backup while you work and finally, I use DriveImageXML, DIX which makes a > image of the entire drive (if you use a DIX backup from a DVD it will do a > complete drive copy, boot tracks and all), initially to a portable drive > but finally to my main backup server. DIX is good in the case of a > catastrophic failure as it can creates a one hundred percent image. > > The reason I would not trust a Windows backup is because the backup is > version (distro) dependent (DIX is self-contained (backup/restore/view) and > is static), a full Windows backup does not backup all the files (it doesn't > touch protected or running files), it presumes that your Windows is > actually working and finally, I like being able, in the case of a full > Drive-Image backup copy, being able to easily cherry-pick any file right > out of the image file. > > No major company would ever trust a Windows Backup system. I have seen > Clonezilla being used as it can backup all systems, Mac, Linux and Windows > and it can even run as a server controller for a network doing a full > over-night backup, but it does take a bit of effort to setup and configure. > > GoogleDrive (Mac/Windows): https://drive.google.com/#my-drive > ShadowCopy (Windows all recent versions): > http://www.runtime.org/shadow-copy.htm > DriveImageXML (Windows all recent versions): > http://www.runtime.org/driveimage-xml.htm > Clonezella: (Everything): http://clonezilla.org/ > > Jim > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Arthur Fuller" > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" < > dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com> > Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2013 6:06:53 AM > Subject: [dba-Tech] Installing WIndows 7 Backup > > This is very peculiar. I've backed up my main drive several times before, > but now when I try to do it, Windows 7 tells me it's not installed, and > that to install it I should go to Control Panel and select Install and from > there select it and it will install. But I can't find it in the list. Maybe > I'm looking in the wrong place. I looked in Windows Features. > > Can anyone help me find it? > > -- > Arthur > Cell: 647.710.1314 > > Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. > -- Niels Bohr > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. -- Niels Bohr From jbartow at winhaven.net Wed Jul 24 12:58:24 2013 From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow) Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2013 12:58:24 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Installing WIndows 7 Backup In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <02bb01ce8897$64963d50$2dc2b7f0$@winhaven.net> Hi Arthur, Here is a good article on Windows 7 backup, which is much improved over previous Windows versions. http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/1838/using-backup-and-restore-in-windows-7/ You can now create a complete system image with it. About my only complaint with W& backup is there is no auto management of the backup space. If your backup drive runs out of space it will fail. You must remember to go in and manage the space occasionally. (I have been searching for methods to build a script to do this but have not found any leads on how to do it. If you find something please let me know.) John B -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2013 8:07 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Installing WIndows 7 Backup This is very peculiar. I've backed up my main drive several times before, but now when I try to do it, Windows 7 tells me it's not installed, and that to install it I should go to Control Panel and select Install and from there select it and it will install. But I can't find it in the list. Maybe I'm looking in the wrong place. I looked in Windows Features. Can anyone help me find it? -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. -- Niels Bohr _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Wed Jul 24 18:18:02 2013 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2013 09:18:02 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Deepin Linux In-Reply-To: <877565831.13068560.1374649272334.JavaMail.root@cds002> References: <51EF69A0.6947.3D24735C@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>, <877565831.13068560.1374649272334.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: <51F060AA.18373.40E97514@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> My problem isn't getting Johnny User to install Windows - it's hard enough getting him to use it for simple business related tasks (Note that I swap the users gender periodically to ensure that I offend everyone) -- Stuart On 24 Jul 2013 at 1:01, Jim Lawrence wrote: > If you can talk Susie through installing Windows you can talk her through installing, my current favourite, Ubuntu Linux. > > Jim > From accessd at shaw.ca Wed Jul 24 20:41:46 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2013 19:41:46 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] Deepin Linux In-Reply-To: <51F060AA.18373.40E97514@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <1615621467.13901763.1374716506327.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi Stuart: You right, I agree, but I don't have to like it as then my faith in the brilliance of humanity is challenged. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stuart McLachlan" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2013 4:18:02 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Deepin Linux My problem isn't getting Johnny User to install Windows - it's hard enough getting him to use it for simple business related tasks (Note that I swap the users gender periodically to ensure that I offend everyone) -- Stuart On 24 Jul 2013 at 1:01, Jim Lawrence wrote: > If you can talk Susie through installing Windows you can talk her through installing, my current favourite, Ubuntu Linux. > > Jim > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jbartow at winhaven.net Wed Jul 24 23:32:43 2013 From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow) Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2013 23:32:43 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] MS Surface RT Message-ID: <008901ce88f0$032ef260$098cd720$@winhaven.net> Just got done working with a client that bought a Surface RT a few weeks ago. He bought it for her. She's rather technologically phobic. He wanted for her to be able to be able to use it in their network at the office and be able to take it with her easily and have her files. So far the only issue has been printing. They have a nice USB Canon laser printer but it does not have drivers for the RT. They have an old Dell XP machine sitting there not doing much so I connected the printer to it and use it as a print server. All the other laptops print through it now except the RT. For that she has to use XPS to print to a shared file on the print server, open it on the print server and print. It isn't the ideal setup but it works. But I thought I'd ask here if anyone else has a better idea. jb From Gustav at cactus.dk Thu Jul 25 01:32:34 2013 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2013 08:32:34 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Deepin Linux Message-ID: Hi Jim and Stuart Exactly. /gustav >>> stuart at lexacorp.com.pg 24-07-13 7:44 >>> And that, ladies and gentlemen is why Linux has such a hard time getting a pruchase in a business environment. I personally am VERY glad that there are only a limited number of Windows desktops so that I can talk Susie User through things. -- Stuart On 23 Jul 2013 at 15:55, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Hi Gustav: > > Variety is the spice of life and these distros are not a stand-alone > OSS but more likef a pretty desktop on top of > Linux-Debian/Slackware/Fedora and so on. This of course allows anyone > with more time than they know what to do with, to crank out their > desktops and customize their own working environment to the nth degree > and then post it and see if there are other that agree. > > I personally wish Windows was like that so there would be dozens of > desktops for every situation and platform... and easy to exchange if > so desired. Microsoft's virtual bare-bones command-prompt server is > starting to attract this type of attention and we may have a number of > distro to choose from, in the future. From hans.andersen at phulse.com Thu Jul 25 02:09:27 2013 From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen) Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2013 00:09:27 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Deepin Linux In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4E537B2A-AFA3-41B5-B3CA-CB41B0127673@phulse.com> This is why I'm glad there are only 2-3 car makers in the world and only a few sodas to choose between. It's especially comforting that we only have only a handful of airlines to choose amongst, because then things would get too confusing. I like only having a few select choices of bread at the supermarket and just a few Internet providers to choose between. This works best for everyone. We should just use iPads and iPhones. This is best for us all, both personally and in a business environment. - Hans On 2013-07-24, at 11:32 PM, "Gustav Brock" wrote: > Hi Jim and Stuart > > Exactly. > > /gustav > >>>> stuart at lexacorp.com.pg 24-07-13 7:44 >>> > And that, ladies and gentlemen is why Linux has such a hard time getting a pruchase in a > business environment. > > I personally am VERY glad that there are only a limited number of Windows desktops so that > I can talk Susie User through things. > > -- > Stuart > > On 23 Jul 2013 at 15:55, Jim Lawrence wrote: > >> Hi Gustav: >> >> Variety is the spice of life and these distros are not a stand-alone >> OSS but more likef a pretty desktop on top of >> Linux-Debian/Slackware/Fedora and so on. This of course allows anyone >> with more time than they know what to do with, to crank out their >> desktops and customize their own working environment to the nth degree >> and then post it and see if there are other that agree. >> >> I personally wish Windows was like that so there would be dozens of >> desktops for every situation and platform... and easy to exchange if >> so desired. Microsoft's virtual bare-bones command-prompt server is >> starting to attract this type of attention and we may have a number of >> distro to choose from, in the future. > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From hans.andersen at phulse.com Thu Jul 25 02:12:25 2013 From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen) Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2013 00:12:25 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] MS Surface RT In-Reply-To: <008901ce88f0$032ef260$098cd720$@winhaven.net> References: <008901ce88f0$032ef260$098cd720$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: <40BC1DE1-C36A-42DA-8CD2-842BE4227AA1@phulse.com> Does the Surface RT support CUPS? If so, then you could install a CUPS server somewhere and the RT shouldn't need specific printer drivers. - Hans On 2013-07-24, at 9:32 PM, "John R Bartow" wrote: > Just got done working with a client that bought a Surface RT a few weeks > ago. He bought it for her. She's rather technologically phobic. He wanted > for her to be able to be able to use it in their network at the office and > be able to take it with her easily and have her files. So far the only issue > has been printing. They have a nice USB Canon laser printer but it does not > have drivers for the RT. They have an old Dell XP machine sitting there not > doing much so I connected the printer to it and use it as a print server. > All the other laptops print through it now except the RT. For that she has > to use XPS to print to a shared file on the print server, open it on the > print server and print. It isn't the ideal setup but it works. But I thought > I'd ask here if anyone else has a better idea. > > jb > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From marklbreen at gmail.com Thu Jul 25 02:33:13 2013 From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen) Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2013 08:33:13 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] SSL or SSH or Other? In-Reply-To: References: <368540702.12017984.1374549358453.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: Hi Arthur, John Colby recommended Hamachi about 7 years ago and I have used it every single day since. Installed it on three machines only yesterday. On 24 July 2013 09:27, Arthur Fuller wrote: > Thanks Jim and Hans-Christian. I'm reading the LogMeIn and OpenVPN info > now, to determine which might provide the best solution for this problem. > > Arthur > > > On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 1:31 PM, Hans-Christian Andersen < > hans.andersen at phulse.com> wrote: > > > Hi Arthur, > > > > I'm in agreement with Jim here. Openvpn would probably be the best > > solution here. SSH works great, but you will take a performance hit. > > > > - Hans > > > > > > On 2013-07-23, at 5:37 AM, Arthur Fuller > wrote: > > > > > Jim. > > > > > > I was unaware of the ability to refer to remote VPN directories as a > > drive > > > letter. That's enormously valuable. Thanks for that tip. > > > > > > Also thanks for the link to OpenVPN.Net. That might be the way to go > with > > > my colleague's app. I'll take it for a spin and see what's working and > > what > > > isn't. And the pricing is certainly within the boundaries. > > > > > > A. > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 11:15 PM, Jim Lawrence > wrote: > > > > > >> Inline: > > >> > > >> ----- Original Message ----- > > >> From: "Arthur Fuller" > > >> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" < > > >> dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com> > > >> Sent: Monday, July 22, 2013 5:45:29 PM > > >> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] SSL or SSH or Other? > > >> > > >> Thanks a lot for your input, guys. I've got some research to do, and > > I've > > >> asked my colleague some questions about configuration to which I > lacked > > >> immediate answers, so I'll continue looking into this as I await his > > >> answers. > > >> > > >> Meanwhile, I will proffer some opinions: > > >> > > >> 1. Since the back end is MySQL, a Linux database server is the best > > >> possible choice. Why bother with licensing the MS Server stuff when > the > > >> Linux stuff is both solid and free? > > >> : Not to mention, all things being equal is as much as five times as > > fast > > >> given specific standard operations. > > >> > > >> 2. Whatever his current configuration is (I'm still awaiting details > > about > > >> his database server), subsequent recommendations will be based on that > > >> answer. > > >> : Note, that if you are using a VPN, you can just refer to remote > drives > > >> with directory using drive letter which makes it real easy to run > local > > and > > >> remote applications > > >> > > >> That's about all I have to offer as I await his responses to my > > questions. > > >> Those responses may or may not limit the choices available. Following > > Jim's > > >> suggestion to investigate OpenVPN.Net, I have visited the site and am > > >> currently ignoring the TV and reading the material. > > >> > > >> :Absolutely excellent movie. > > >> And speaking of TV, last night I watched Blood Diamond, of which I > have > > a > > >> copy on my bookshelf but haven't watched since its immediate release. > > What > > >> an incredible movie! I don't recall whether Leonardo diCapreo won an > > Oscar > > >> for this film, but if not it's travesty. In every possible way, this > > film > > >> is magnificent -- but most of all, aside from the shots of the African > > >> sunsets, is the performance by DiCapreo, and Djiomin Hounsou and > > Jennifer > > >> Connelly -- not to mention the exposure of the blood diamond trade. > > >> > > >> Please excuse the irrelevant venture into clearly-OT topics, but I > found > > >> this film so unforgettable that I am still reeling from its power, > > despite > > >> my interests in the original question. > > >> > > >> Arthur > > >> > > >> > > >> On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 4:17 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil < > mcp2004 at mail.ru > > >>> wrote: > > >> > > >>> Hi Jim -- > > >>> > > >>> "Watch What You Say"! :) (see below) > > >>> > > >>>> in the age of PRISM this becomes so very important > > >>> It (VPN encryption) might soon become useless: > > >>> > > >>> "The NSA Is Building the Country?s Biggest Spy Center (Watch What You > > >> Say)" > > >>> http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2012/03/ff_nsadatacenter/all/1 -- > > >> Shamil > > >>> > > >>> Monday, July 22, 2013 11:28 AM -06:00 from Jim Lawrence < > > accessd at shaw.ca > > >>> : > > >>>> Hi Arthur: > > >>>> > > >>>> I am hardly an network expert but for secure connection across > > internet > > >> I > > >>> would suggest a VPN type network. If done properly, staff with the > > >>> appropriate usernames and passwords can connect in to business > network > > >>> through either standard or a specific dedicated address:port > installed > > on > > >>> the company's router. > > >>>> > > >>>> There are a slew of VPN products out there with all sort of features > > and > > >>> costs. I have one that is installed on my laptop which gives me full > > >> access > > >>> to my entire network when I am on the road...it supports any protocol > > as > > >>> its is only a tunnel, even RDP. > > >>>> > > >>>> It is called OpenVPN ( http://openvpn.net/ ) and as my resource are > > >>> limited the price is right. The product has clients for any OS but > > server > > >>> end must be Linux based...not a problem for yourself as it runs fine > on > > >> any > > >>> version of Distro, that uses Debian. If the business wants their > server > > >> end > > >>> hosted it will cost $6.00 per connection per year (I am sure there > are > > >>> volume discounts). > > >>>> > > >>>> I would recommend you set up your own in-house server as once setup > > >>> properly it can left to its own devices as it just works. The beauty > of > > >>> hosting is that once a connection is established the client and > server > > >> are > > >>> directly linked, no third party intervention is needed. This is of > > course > > >>> is great for security and in the age of PRISM this becomes so very > > >>> important. > > >>>> > > >>>> HTH > > >>>> Jim > > >>> <<< skipped >>> > > >>> _______________________________________________ > > >>> dba-Tech mailing list > > >>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> -- > > >> Arthur > > >> Cell: 647.710.1314 > > >> > > >> Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. > > >> -- Niels Bohr > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> dba-Tech mailing list > > >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> dba-Tech mailing list > > >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Arthur > > > Cell: 647.710.1314 > > > > > > Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. > > > -- Niels Bohr > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > -- > Arthur > Cell: 647.710.1314 > > Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. > -- Niels Bohr > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From marklbreen at gmail.com Thu Jul 25 02:37:24 2013 From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen) Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2013 08:37:24 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Deepin Linux In-Reply-To: <51EF69A0.6947.3D24735C@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <199587902.12744164.1374616531382.JavaMail.root@cds002> <51EF69A0.6947.3D24735C@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: Hello Stuart, > And that, ladies and gentlemen is why Linux has such a hard time getting a pruchase in a > business environment I thought the opposite is true, I understand that Linux is on a steady incline? On 24 July 2013 06:44, Stuart McLachlan wrote: > And that, ladies and gentlemen is why Linux has such a hard time getting a > pruchase in a > business environment. > > I personally am VERY glad that there are only a limited number of Windows > desktops so that > I can talk Susie User through things. > > -- > Stuart > > On 23 Jul 2013 at 15:55, Jim Lawrence wrote: > > > Hi Gustav: > > > > Variety is the spice of life and these distros are not a stand-alone > > OSS but more likef a pretty desktop on top of > > Linux-Debian/Slackware/Fedora and so on. This of course allows anyone > > with more time than they know what to do with, to crank out their > > desktops and customize their own working environment to the nth degree > > and then post it and see if there are other that agree. > > > > I personally wish Windows was like that so there would be dozens of > > desktops for every situation and platform... and easy to exchange if > > so desired. Microsoft's virtual bare-bones command-prompt server is > > starting to attract this type of attention and we may have a number of > > distro to choose from, in the future. > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From accessd at shaw.ca Thu Jul 25 08:54:32 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2013 07:54:32 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] Deepin Linux In-Reply-To: <4E537B2A-AFA3-41B5-B3CA-CB41B0127673@phulse.com> Message-ID: <1064847337.14185782.1374760472927.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi Hans: :-) Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hans-Christian Andersen" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2013 12:09:27 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Deepin Linux This is why I'm glad there are only 2-3 car makers in the world and only a few sodas to choose between. It's especially comforting that we only have only a handful of airlines to choose amongst, because then things would get too confusing. I like only having a few select choices of bread at the supermarket and just a few Internet providers to choose between. This works best for everyone. We should just use iPads and iPhones. This is best for us all, both personally and in a business environment. - Hans On 2013-07-24, at 11:32 PM, "Gustav Brock" wrote: > Hi Jim and Stuart > > Exactly. > > /gustav > >>>> stuart at lexacorp.com.pg 24-07-13 7:44 >>> > And that, ladies and gentlemen is why Linux has such a hard time getting a pruchase in a > business environment. > > I personally am VERY glad that there are only a limited number of Windows desktops so that > I can talk Susie User through things. > > -- > Stuart > > On 23 Jul 2013 at 15:55, Jim Lawrence wrote: > >> Hi Gustav: >> >> Variety is the spice of life and these distros are not a stand-alone >> OSS but more likef a pretty desktop on top of >> Linux-Debian/Slackware/Fedora and so on. This of course allows anyone >> with more time than they know what to do with, to crank out their >> desktops and customize their own working environment to the nth degree >> and then post it and see if there are other that agree. >> >> I personally wish Windows was like that so there would be dozens of >> desktops for every situation and platform... and easy to exchange if >> so desired. Microsoft's virtual bare-bones command-prompt server is >> starting to attract this type of attention and we may have a number of >> distro to choose from, in the future. > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Thu Jul 25 09:07:52 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2013 08:07:52 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] Deepin Linux In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <394018984.14200727.1374761272488.JavaMail.root@cds002> Stuart is right; Linux only has about 85 percent of the business environment and who knows one day it may be 95 percent. ;-) Interesting aside: The local Ferry Corporation recently converted from Microsoft to Linux. To run its business it used to have a farm of 25 to 40(?) servers which have now been replaced by five Linux servers. According to the fellow I spoke to they now have better reliability and a faster response times. I have often wondered why there are more ice-cream flavours than Chocolate, Strawberry and Vanilla...such a waste and so confusing. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Breen" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2013 12:37:24 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Deepin Linux Hello Stuart, > And that, ladies and gentlemen is why Linux has such a hard time getting a pruchase in a > business environment I thought the opposite is true, I understand that Linux is on a steady incline? On 24 July 2013 06:44, Stuart McLachlan wrote: > And that, ladies and gentlemen is why Linux has such a hard time getting a > pruchase in a > business environment. > > I personally am VERY glad that there are only a limited number of Windows > desktops so that > I can talk Susie User through things. > > -- > Stuart > > On 23 Jul 2013 at 15:55, Jim Lawrence wrote: > > > Hi Gustav: > > > > Variety is the spice of life and these distros are not a stand-alone > > OSS but more likef a pretty desktop on top of > > Linux-Debian/Slackware/Fedora and so on. This of course allows anyone > > with more time than they know what to do with, to crank out their > > desktops and customize their own working environment to the nth degree > > and then post it and see if there are other that agree. > > > > I personally wish Windows was like that so there would be dozens of > > desktops for every situation and platform... and easy to exchange if > > so desired. Microsoft's virtual bare-bones command-prompt server is > > starting to attract this type of attention and we may have a number of > > distro to choose from, in the future. > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jbartow at winhaven.net Thu Jul 25 11:35:05 2013 From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow) Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2013 11:35:05 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] MS Surface RT In-Reply-To: <40BC1DE1-C36A-42DA-8CD2-842BE4227AA1@phulse.com> References: <008901ce88f0$032ef260$098cd720$@winhaven.net> <40BC1DE1-C36A-42DA-8CD2-842BE4227AA1@phulse.com> Message-ID: <017201ce8954$eb592830$c20b7890$@winhaven.net> Thanks Hans, I'll look into it. jb -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hans-Christian Andersen Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2013 2:12 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] MS Surface RT Does the Surface RT support CUPS? If so, then you could install a CUPS server somewhere and the RT shouldn't need specific printer drivers. - Hans On 2013-07-24, at 9:32 PM, "John R Bartow" wrote: > Just got done working with a client that bought a Surface RT a few > weeks ago. He bought it for her. She's rather technologically phobic. > He wanted for her to be able to be able to use it in their network at > the office and be able to take it with her easily and have her files. > So far the only issue has been printing. They have a nice USB Canon > laser printer but it does not have drivers for the RT. They have an > old Dell XP machine sitting there not doing much so I connected the printer to it and use it as a print server. > All the other laptops print through it now except the RT. For that she > has to use XPS to print to a shared file on the print server, open it > on the print server and print. It isn't the ideal setup but it works. > But I thought I'd ask here if anyone else has a better idea. > > jb > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From mcp2004 at mail.ru Thu Jul 25 17:09:07 2013 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2013 02:09:07 +0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?FYI=3A_Python_Tools_for_Visual_Studio?= Message-ID: <1374790147.327043673@f346.mail.ru> Hi All -- Good tool FY:?"Python Tools for Visual Studio" -? https://pytools.codeplex.com/releases -- ???????????? ?????? From accessd at shaw.ca Sat Jul 27 00:24:25 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2013 23:24:25 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] FYI: Python Tools for Visual Studio In-Reply-To: <1374790147.327043673@f346.mail.ru> Message-ID: <1771498534.15789086.1374902665764.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi Shamil: That is very interesting and will require further investigation. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Softw" Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2013 3:09:07 PM Subject: [dba-Tech] FYI: Python Tools for Visual Studio Hi All -- Good tool FY:?"Python Tools for Visual Studio" -? https://pytools.codeplex.com/releases -- ???????????? ?????? _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From mcp2004 at mail.ru Sat Jul 27 05:28:02 2013 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2013 14:28:02 +0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?FYI=3A_Python_Tools_for_Visual_Studio?= In-Reply-To: <1771498534.15789086.1374902665764.JavaMail.root@cds002> References: <1374790147.327043673@f346.mail.ru> <1771498534.15789086.1374902665764.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: <1374920882.705586575@f419.i.mail.ru> Hi Jim -- Just install Python Tools For Visual Studio (as I did) if you have VS. Then you'll get advanced IDE to develop native Python apps as well as the IronPython/CLR apps - here is the list of the types of projects, which can be created using this tool: - From Existing Python code - Python Application - Django Application - IronPython Application - IronPython WPF Application - IronPython Silverlight Application - IronPython Windows Forms Application -- Shamil Friday, July 26, 2013 11:24 PM -06:00 from Jim Lawrence : >Hi Shamil: > >That is very interesting and will require further investigation. > >Jim > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" < mcp2004 at mail.ru > >To: "Discussion of Hardware and Softw" < dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com > >Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2013 3:09:07 PM >Subject: [dba-Tech] FYI: Python Tools for Visual Studio > >?Hi All -- > >Good tool FY:?"Python Tools for Visual Studio" -? https://pytools.codeplex.com/releases > >-- >???????????? ?????? >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- ???????????? ?????? From mcp2004 at mail.ru Sat Jul 27 05:30:48 2013 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2013 14:30:48 +0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?FYI=3A_AWS_Adds_SDK_Support_For_Windows_Phon?= =?utf-8?q?e_And_Windows_Store_Apps?= Message-ID: <1374921048.443729249@f419.i.mail.ru> Hi All, FYI: "AWS Adds SDK Support For Windows Phone And Windows Store?Apps" http://techcrunch.com/2013/07/25/aws-adds-sdk-support-for-windows-phone-and-windows-store-apps/ -- ???????????? ?????? From accessd at shaw.ca Sat Jul 27 11:29:29 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2013 10:29:29 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] FYI: Python Tools for Visual Studio In-Reply-To: <1374920882.705586575@f419.i.mail.ru> Message-ID: <1546894533.16013235.1374942569382.JavaMail.root@cds002> I do not have the full version of VS only the express copy. I wonder if these new Python tools will work with intro-version? Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2013 3:28:02 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] FYI: Python Tools for Visual Studio Hi Jim -- Just install Python Tools For Visual Studio (as I did) if you have VS. Then you'll get advanced IDE to develop native Python apps as well as the IronPython/CLR apps - here is the list of the types of projects, which can be created using this tool: - From Existing Python code - Python Application - Django Application - IronPython Application - IronPython WPF Application - IronPython Silverlight Application - IronPython Windows Forms Application -- Shamil Friday, July 26, 2013 11:24 PM -06:00 from Jim Lawrence : >Hi Shamil: > >That is very interesting and will require further investigation. > >Jim > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" < mcp2004 at mail.ru > >To: "Discussion of Hardware and Softw" < dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com > >Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2013 3:09:07 PM >Subject: [dba-Tech] FYI: Python Tools for Visual Studio > >?Hi All -- > >Good tool FY:?"Python Tools for Visual Studio" -? https://pytools.codeplex.com/releases > >-- >???????????? ?????? >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- ???????????? ?????? _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From mcp2004 at mail.ru Sat Jul 27 12:10:24 2013 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2013 21:10:24 +0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?FYI=3A_Python_Tools_for_Visual_Studio?= In-Reply-To: <1546894533.16013235.1374942569382.JavaMail.root@cds002> References: <1374920882.705586575@f419.i.mail.ru> <1546894533.16013235.1374942569382.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: <1374945024.677818712@f436.i.mail.ru> Hi Jim ?-- I don't know will the subject tool work with VS 2012 Express - just try to setup it and see if it will work. BTW, Python is a really great programming language/development platform, I'm not sure will I ever use it in real development but in a few spare minutes I'm reading through "The Python Standard Library by Example" book ( http://books.google.ru/books?id=cOSAzek6resC ), I'm running that book sample code snippets, I'm trying to "cook my own short code snippets" and I'm admiring the elegant power of Python and its standard library. -- Shamil Saturday, July 27, 2013 10:29 AM -06:00 from Jim Lawrence : >I do not have the full version of VS only the express copy. > >I wonder if these new Python tools will work with intro-version? > >Jim > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" < mcp2004 at mail.ru > >To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" < dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com > >Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2013 3:28:02 AM >Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] FYI: Python Tools for Visual Studio > >?Hi Jim -- > >Just install Python Tools For Visual Studio (as I did) if you have VS. >Then you'll get advanced IDE to develop native Python apps as well as the IronPython/CLR apps - here is the list of the types of projects, which can be created using this tool: > >- From Existing Python code >- Python Application >- Django Application >- IronPython Application >- IronPython WPF Application >- IronPython Silverlight Application >- IronPython Windows Forms Application -- Shamil > >Friday, July 26, 2013 11:24 PM -06:00 from Jim Lawrence < accessd at shaw.ca >: >>Hi Shamil: >> >>That is very interesting and will require further investigation. >> >>Jim >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" < mcp2004 at mail.ru > >>To: "Discussion of Hardware and Softw" < dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com > >>Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2013 3:09:07 PM >>Subject: [dba-Tech] FYI: Python Tools for Visual Studio >> >>?Hi All -- >> >>Good tool FY:?"Python Tools for Visual Studio" -? https://pytools.codeplex.com/releases >> >>-- >>???????????? ?????? >>_______________________________________________ >>dba-Tech mailing list >>dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >>_______________________________________________ >>dba-Tech mailing list >>dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > >-- >???????????? ?????? >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- ???????????? ?????? From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Sat Jul 27 18:37:16 2013 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2013 16:37:16 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] W7 in 2GB RAM Message-ID: <2A9137D658B441479529E043E850989D@HAL9007> Can you run W7 in 2GB RAM? I have a Dell Dimension 3100 - has a P$ at 3+GHz but which maxes out at 2GB. Running WXP. Will it run unacceptable slowly with only 2GB RAM? TIA Rocky From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Sat Jul 27 18:40:14 2013 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2013 16:40:14 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Vertical bar code font Message-ID: <86E4BEA69E1C4345A48E601876D86845@HAL9007> Dear List: I have a user who downloaded and implemented a 3 of 9 bar code font and it works. But he want to turn it sideways using the Vertical property on the text box on the report but that doesn't work (tried it myself). I advised him to keep it horizontal and print in landscape turning the other text boxed vertical. But as I think about it I think that won't work for him because it's not a label he's printing but adding a bar code to a legal doc. Is there a workaround for this? MTIA Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.bchacc.com www.e-z-mrp.com Skype: rocky.smolin From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Sat Jul 27 20:10:16 2013 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2013 11:10:16 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Vertical bar code font In-Reply-To: <86E4BEA69E1C4345A48E601876D86845@HAL9007> References: <86E4BEA69E1C4345A48E601876D86845@HAL9007> Message-ID: <51F46F78.16377.50C34C53@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Lots of similar reports on the intertubes. It seems that the only solution is to use a Barcode ActiveX control such as http://www.morovia.com/component/barcode-lite/ (they have a trial version) -- Stuart On 27 Jul 2013 at 16:40, Rocky Smolin wrote: > Dear List: > > I have a user who downloaded and implemented a 3 of 9 bar code font and it > works. But he want to turn it sideways using the Vertical property on the > text box on the report but that doesn't work (tried it myself). > > I advised him to keep it horizontal and print in landscape turning the other > text boxed vertical. > > But as I think about it I think that won't work for him because it's not a > label he's printing but adding a bar code to a legal doc. > > Is there a workaround for this? > > MTIA > > Rocky Smolin > Beach Access Software > 858-259-4334 > www.bchacc.com > www.e-z-mrp.com > Skype: rocky.smolin > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Sat Jul 27 20:10:16 2013 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2013 11:10:16 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Vertical bar code font In-Reply-To: <86E4BEA69E1C4345A48E601876D86845@HAL9007> References: <86E4BEA69E1C4345A48E601876D86845@HAL9007> Message-ID: <51F46F78.16377.50C34C53@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Lots of similar reports on the intertubes. It seems that the only solution is to use a Barcode ActiveX control such as http://www.morovia.com/component/barcode-lite/ (they have a trial version) -- Stuart On 27 Jul 2013 at 16:40, Rocky Smolin wrote: > Dear List: > > I have a user who downloaded and implemented a 3 of 9 bar code font and it > works. But he want to turn it sideways using the Vertical property on the > text box on the report but that doesn't work (tried it myself). > > I advised him to keep it horizontal and print in landscape turning the other > text boxed vertical. > > But as I think about it I think that won't work for him because it's not a > label he's printing but adding a bar code to a legal doc. > > Is there a workaround for this? > > MTIA > > Rocky Smolin > Beach Access Software > 858-259-4334 > www.bchacc.com > www.e-z-mrp.com > Skype: rocky.smolin > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Sat Jul 27 20:16:29 2013 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2013 11:16:29 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] W7 in 2GB RAM In-Reply-To: <2A9137D658B441479529E043E850989D@HAL9007> References: <2A9137D658B441479529E043E850989D@HAL9007> Message-ID: <51F470ED.5050.50C8FC60@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> >From the horses mouth: http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows7/products/system-requirements If you want to run Windows 7 on your PC, here's what it takes: 1 gigahertz (GHz) or faster 32-bit (x86) or 64-bit (x64) processor 1 gigabyte (GB) RAM (32-bit) or 2 GB RAM (64-bit) 16 GB available hard disk space (32-bit) or 20 GB (64-bit) DirectX 9 graphics device with WDDM 1.0 or higher driver Second question; It should be fine to run Wordpad, Calc etc it you don't have any AV or other applications running in the background. Try to run something like an Office 2010 application and you will be thrashing the hard drive constantly. Are you sure that you can't replace the current memory with 2 x 2GB chips? -- Stuart On 27 Jul 2013 at 16:37, Rocky Smolin wrote: > Can you run W7 in 2GB RAM? I have a Dell Dimension 3100 - has a P$ at 3+GHz > but which maxes out at 2GB. Running WXP. Will it run unacceptable slowly > with only 2GB RAM? > > TIA > > Rocky > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Sat Jul 27 20:31:59 2013 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2013 11:31:59 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] W7 in 2GB RAM In-Reply-To: <51F470ED.5050.50C8FC60@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <2A9137D658B441479529E043E850989D@HAL9007>, <51F470ED.5050.50C8FC60@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <51F4748F.17634.50D72F23@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Looks like te answer to my question is NO. According to Crucial, 2 x 1GB is the limit: http://www.crucial.com/upgrade/Dell-memory/Dimension+%2F+Dimension+XPS/Dimension+ 3100-upgrades.html On 28 Jul 2013 at 11:16, Stuart McLachlan wrote: > From the horses mouth: > > http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows7/products/system-requirements > > If you want to run Windows 7 on your PC, here's what it takes: > 1 gigahertz (GHz) or faster 32-bit (x86) or 64-bit (x64) processor > 1 gigabyte (GB) RAM (32-bit) or 2 GB RAM (64-bit) > 16 GB available hard disk space (32-bit) or 20 GB (64-bit) > DirectX 9 graphics device with WDDM 1.0 or higher driver > > Second question; > > It should be fine to run Wordpad, Calc etc it you don't have any AV or other applications > running in the background. > > Try to run something like an Office 2010 application and you will be thrashing the hard drive > constantly. > > Are you sure that you can't replace the current memory with 2 x 2GB chips? > > -- > Stuart > > On 27 Jul 2013 at 16:37, Rocky Smolin wrote: > > > Can you run W7 in 2GB RAM? I have a Dell Dimension 3100 - has a P$ at 3+GHz > > but which maxes out at 2GB. Running WXP. Will it run unacceptable slowly > > with only 2GB RAM? > > > > TIA > > > > Rocky > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-OT mailing list > dba-OT at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-ot > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Sun Jul 28 00:36:23 2013 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2013 22:36:23 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] W7 in 2GB RAM In-Reply-To: <51F470ED.5050.50C8FC60@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <2A9137D658B441479529E043E850989D@HAL9007> <51F470ED.5050.50C8FC60@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <8FEC78C3CA4142C3B2763C10C2324F05@HAL9007> Maxes out at 2GB. I've got 3-4 machines here like that. I wanted to give one to a cousin but he needs to move up to W7. R -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2013 6:16 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues; 'Off Topic' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] W7 in 2GB RAM >From the horses mouth: http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows7/products/system-requirements If you want to run Windows 7 on your PC, here's what it takes: 1 gigahertz (GHz) or faster 32-bit (x86) or 64-bit (x64) processor 1 gigabyte (GB) RAM (32-bit) or 2 GB RAM (64-bit) 16 GB available hard disk space (32-bit) or 20 GB (64-bit) DirectX 9 graphics device with WDDM 1.0 or higher driver Second question; It should be fine to run Wordpad, Calc etc it you don't have any AV or other applications running in the background. Try to run something like an Office 2010 application and you will be thrashing the hard drive constantly. Are you sure that you can't replace the current memory with 2 x 2GB chips? -- Stuart On 27 Jul 2013 at 16:37, Rocky Smolin wrote: > Can you run W7 in 2GB RAM? I have a Dell Dimension 3100 - has a P$ at > 3+GHz but which maxes out at 2GB. Running WXP. Will it run > unacceptable slowly with only 2GB RAM? > > TIA > > Rocky > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Gustav at cactus.dk Sun Jul 28 01:13:30 2013 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2013 08:13:30 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] W7 in 2GB RAM Message-ID: Hi Rocky I have an old HP Pavilion zd8000 with Pentium 4 at 3 GHz and 2 GB of ram. Actually, it was given a second life when I installed Win7 to replace the WinXP Home that came with it. Runs with Windows Experience at 3.7 limited by the 3D graphics. Processor is 3.9, and Aero and disk is 4.0. WiFi connections is now a snap, and it can fall to sleep and open again in rather short time which is very practical with a laptop. But graphics is limited. Don't expect to play video as most of the old onboard chips are outdated. Even drivers can be difficult to obtain. A had to cheet to get this old ATI Mobility Radeon X600 flying but it doesn't support the newer version of DirectX. Also Java feels a bit slow. /gustav >>> rockysmolin at bchacc.com 28-07-13 1:37 >>> Can you run W7 in 2GB RAM? I have a Dell Dimension 3100 - has a P$ at 3+GHz but which maxes out at 2GB. Running WXP. Will it run unacceptable slowly with only 2GB RAM? TIA Rocky From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Sun Jul 28 01:21:23 2013 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2013 23:21:23 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] W7 in 2GB RAM In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6ED871FCB90F49E1A5ED3A0AF5A1196B@HAL9007> Well nothing to lose - I'll wipe the HD and install W7 and see what happens. Thanks R -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2013 11:14 PM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] W7 in 2GB RAM Hi Rocky I have an old HP Pavilion zd8000 with Pentium 4 at 3 GHz and 2 GB of ram. Actually, it was given a second life when I installed Win7 to replace the WinXP Home that came with it. Runs with Windows Experience at 3.7 limited by the 3D graphics. Processor is 3.9, and Aero and disk is 4.0. WiFi connections is now a snap, and it can fall to sleep and open again in rather short time which is very practical with a laptop. But graphics is limited. Don't expect to play video as most of the old onboard chips are outdated. Even drivers can be difficult to obtain. A had to cheet to get this old ATI Mobility Radeon X600 flying but it doesn't support the newer version of DirectX. Also Java feels a bit slow. /gustav >>> rockysmolin at bchacc.com 28-07-13 1:37 >>> Can you run W7 in 2GB RAM? I have a Dell Dimension 3100 - has a P$ at 3+GHz but which maxes out at 2GB. Running WXP. Will it run unacceptable slowly with only 2GB RAM? TIA Rocky _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From marklbreen at gmail.com Sun Jul 28 03:07:46 2013 From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen) Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2013 09:07:46 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Vertical bar code font In-Reply-To: <86E4BEA69E1C4345A48E601876D86845@HAL9007> References: <86E4BEA69E1C4345A48E601876D86845@HAL9007> Message-ID: Hi Rocky, Not sure if this is useful, but just to mention, there are lots of barcode label print software packages out there. Most works great, most are not free. I used BarTender many times but there are lots of others. Not sure if that is useful, Mark On 28 July 2013 00:40, Rocky Smolin wrote: > Dear List: > > I have a user who downloaded and implemented a 3 of 9 bar code font and it > works. But he want to turn it sideways using the Vertical property on the > text box on the report but that doesn't work (tried it myself). > > I advised him to keep it horizontal and print in landscape turning the > other > text boxed vertical. > > But as I think about it I think that won't work for him because it's not a > label he's printing but adding a bar code to a legal doc. > > Is there a workaround for this? > > MTIA > > Rocky Smolin > Beach Access Software > 858-259-4334 > www.bchacc.com > www.e-z-mrp.com > Skype: rocky.smolin > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Sun Jul 28 11:29:50 2013 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 02:29:50 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] [AccessD] Vertical bar code font In-Reply-To: <86E4BEA69E1C4345A48E601876D86845@HAL9007> References: <86E4BEA69E1C4345A48E601876D86845@HAL9007> Message-ID: <51F546FE.15383.540D0F83@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Found it. http://support.microsoft.com/kb/839779 It requires a Registry entry to fix it. Here's the easiest solution: Put the following text in a file called FixAccessVerticalBarcode.reg Note: It should be four lines. The second line is blank. The third line is starts and ends with the square brackets. ------- Begin File ------------------------------ Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00 [HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\CTF] "Disable Thread Input Manager"=dword:00000001 -------End File --------------------------------- Double click on the file and allow WIndows to update the Registry (many require Administrator provileges) -- Stuart On 27 Jul 2013 at 16:40, Rocky Smolin wrote: > Dear List: > > I have a user who downloaded and implemented a 3 of 9 bar code font and it > works. But he want to turn it sideways using the Vertical property on the > text box on the report but that doesn't work (tried it myself). > > I advised him to keep it horizontal and print in landscape turning the other > text boxed vertical. > > But as I think about it I think that won't work for him because it's not a > label he's printing but adding a bar code to a legal doc. > > Is there a workaround for this? > > MTIA > > Rocky Smolin > Beach Access Software > 858-259-4334 > www.bchacc.com > www.e-z-mrp.com > Skype: rocky.smolin > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From accessd at shaw.ca Sun Jul 28 12:03:17 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2013 11:03:17 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] W7 in 2GB RAM In-Reply-To: <8FEC78C3CA4142C3B2763C10C2324F05@HAL9007> Message-ID: <219450740.16499544.1375030997725.JavaMail.root@cds002> Note, that it does also depend on what your hardware's (and Windows) capability is. I think the absolute maximum is 3GB, even though most articles state 4GB on a 32 bit system but not on all...some pieces of hardware only allow the addressing of 2GB for a 32 bit OS...so you would have to check with the motherboard supplier. You have to go to a 64 bit hardware to be able to use more RAM. http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_vista-performance/32-bit-operating-system-4gb-ram-limit/6c1b942e-d1cd-4ef5-bb93-388be8b5a049 Aside: On a Linux box you will have install a Physical Address Extension (PAE) patch for the kernel and I have heard that as much as 16 GB of RAM can be addressed on a 32 bit system after that. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rocky Smolin" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2013 10:36:23 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] W7 in 2GB RAM Maxes out at 2GB. I've got 3-4 machines here like that. I wanted to give one to a cousin but he needs to move up to W7. R -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2013 6:16 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues; 'Off Topic' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] W7 in 2GB RAM >From the horses mouth: http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows7/products/system-requirements If you want to run Windows 7 on your PC, here's what it takes: 1 gigahertz (GHz) or faster 32-bit (x86) or 64-bit (x64) processor 1 gigabyte (GB) RAM (32-bit) or 2 GB RAM (64-bit) 16 GB available hard disk space (32-bit) or 20 GB (64-bit) DirectX 9 graphics device with WDDM 1.0 or higher driver Second question; It should be fine to run Wordpad, Calc etc it you don't have any AV or other applications running in the background. Try to run something like an Office 2010 application and you will be thrashing the hard drive constantly. Are you sure that you can't replace the current memory with 2 x 2GB chips? -- Stuart On 27 Jul 2013 at 16:37, Rocky Smolin wrote: > Can you run W7 in 2GB RAM? I have a Dell Dimension 3100 - has a P$ at > 3+GHz but which maxes out at 2GB. Running WXP. Will it run > unacceptable slowly with only 2GB RAM? > > TIA > > Rocky > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Sun Jul 28 12:14:30 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2013 11:14:30 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] W7 in 2GB RAM In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <829614291.16504799.1375031670185.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi Guys: I have found the you can use VLC media player, if you want to be able to run videos, on some computers with limited resources. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gustav Brock" To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2013 11:13:30 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] W7 in 2GB RAM Hi Rocky I have an old HP Pavilion zd8000 with Pentium 4 at 3 GHz and 2 GB of ram. Actually, it was given a second life when I installed Win7 to replace the WinXP Home that came with it. Runs with Windows Experience at 3.7 limited by the 3D graphics. Processor is 3.9, and Aero and disk is 4.0. WiFi connections is now a snap, and it can fall to sleep and open again in rather short time which is very practical with a laptop. But graphics is limited. Don't expect to play video as most of the old onboard chips are outdated. Even drivers can be difficult to obtain. A had to cheet to get this old ATI Mobility Radeon X600 flying but it doesn't support the newer version of DirectX. Also Java feels a bit slow. /gustav >>> rockysmolin at bchacc.com 28-07-13 1:37 >>> Can you run W7 in 2GB RAM? I have a Dell Dimension 3100 - has a P$ at 3+GHz but which maxes out at 2GB. Running WXP. Will it run unacceptable slowly with only 2GB RAM? TIA Rocky _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Sun Jul 28 12:39:29 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2013 11:39:29 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] W7 in 2GB RAM In-Reply-To: <219450740.16499544.1375030997725.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: <1470302404.16515567.1375033169538.JavaMail.root@cds002> Here is an interesting link from Microsoft which might allow you to address more memory on a 32 system... http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/aa366796(v=vs.85).aspx I have not researched all the details but this may be a start. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Lawrence" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2013 10:03:17 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] W7 in 2GB RAM Note, that it does also depend on what your hardware's (and Windows) capability is. I think the absolute maximum is 3GB, even though most articles state 4GB on a 32 bit system but not on all...some pieces of hardware only allow the addressing of 2GB for a 32 bit OS...so you would have to check with the motherboard supplier. You have to go to a 64 bit hardware to be able to use more RAM. http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_vista-performance/32-bit-operating-system-4gb-ram-limit/6c1b942e-d1cd-4ef5-bb93-388be8b5a049 Aside: On a Linux box you will have install a Physical Address Extension (PAE) patch for the kernel and I have heard that as much as 16 GB of RAM can be addressed on a 32 bit system after that. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rocky Smolin" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2013 10:36:23 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] W7 in 2GB RAM Maxes out at 2GB. I've got 3-4 machines here like that. I wanted to give one to a cousin but he needs to move up to W7. R -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2013 6:16 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues; 'Off Topic' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] W7 in 2GB RAM >From the horses mouth: http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows7/products/system-requirements If you want to run Windows 7 on your PC, here's what it takes: 1 gigahertz (GHz) or faster 32-bit (x86) or 64-bit (x64) processor 1 gigabyte (GB) RAM (32-bit) or 2 GB RAM (64-bit) 16 GB available hard disk space (32-bit) or 20 GB (64-bit) DirectX 9 graphics device with WDDM 1.0 or higher driver Second question; It should be fine to run Wordpad, Calc etc it you don't have any AV or other applications running in the background. Try to run something like an Office 2010 application and you will be thrashing the hard drive constantly. Are you sure that you can't replace the current memory with 2 x 2GB chips? -- Stuart On 27 Jul 2013 at 16:37, Rocky Smolin wrote: > Can you run W7 in 2GB RAM? I have a Dell Dimension 3100 - has a P$ at > 3+GHz but which maxes out at 2GB. Running WXP. Will it run > unacceptable slowly with only 2GB RAM? > > TIA > > Rocky > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Sun Jul 28 15:33:45 2013 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2013 13:33:45 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] W7 in 2GB RAM In-Reply-To: <219450740.16499544.1375030997725.JavaMail.root@cds002> References: <8FEC78C3CA4142C3B2763C10C2324F05@HAL9007> <219450740.16499544.1375030997725.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: The comps I have here that I could give him are all 2GB RAM limited - by hardware. R -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2013 10:03 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] W7 in 2GB RAM Note, that it does also depend on what your hardware's (and Windows) capability is. I think the absolute maximum is 3GB, even though most articles state 4GB on a 32 bit system but not on all...some pieces of hardware only allow the addressing of 2GB for a 32 bit OS...so you would have to check with the motherboard supplier. You have to go to a 64 bit hardware to be able to use more RAM. http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_vista-performance/3 2-bit-operating-system-4gb-ram-limit/6c1b942e-d1cd-4ef5-bb93-388be8b5a049 Aside: On a Linux box you will have install a Physical Address Extension (PAE) patch for the kernel and I have heard that as much as 16 GB of RAM can be addressed on a 32 bit system after that. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rocky Smolin" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2013 10:36:23 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] W7 in 2GB RAM Maxes out at 2GB. I've got 3-4 machines here like that. I wanted to give one to a cousin but he needs to move up to W7. R -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2013 6:16 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues; 'Off Topic' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] W7 in 2GB RAM >From the horses mouth: http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows7/products/system-requirements If you want to run Windows 7 on your PC, here's what it takes: 1 gigahertz (GHz) or faster 32-bit (x86) or 64-bit (x64) processor 1 gigabyte (GB) RAM (32-bit) or 2 GB RAM (64-bit) 16 GB available hard disk space (32-bit) or 20 GB (64-bit) DirectX 9 graphics device with WDDM 1.0 or higher driver Second question; It should be fine to run Wordpad, Calc etc it you don't have any AV or other applications running in the background. Try to run something like an Office 2010 application and you will be thrashing the hard drive constantly. Are you sure that you can't replace the current memory with 2 x 2GB chips? -- Stuart On 27 Jul 2013 at 16:37, Rocky Smolin wrote: > Can you run W7 in 2GB RAM? I have a Dell Dimension 3100 - has a P$ at > 3+GHz but which maxes out at 2GB. Running WXP. Will it run > unacceptable slowly with only 2GB RAM? > > TIA > > Rocky > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jbartow at winhaven.net Sun Jul 28 20:33:52 2013 From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow) Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2013 20:33:52 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] W7 in 2GB RAM In-Reply-To: References: <8FEC78C3CA4142C3B2763C10C2324F05@HAL9007> <219450740.16499544.1375030997725.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: <009b01ce8bfb$af68dba0$0e3a92e0$@winhaven.net> I think you should be OK with 2GB. Won't be a speed demon but will work. The big chains were selling cheap machines with 2gb RAM when 7 was first released. Also remember that Windows 7 can use an external USB memory stick to boost RAM. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2013 3:34 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] W7 in 2GB RAM The comps I have here that I could give him are all 2GB RAM limited - by hardware. R -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2013 10:03 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] W7 in 2GB RAM Note, that it does also depend on what your hardware's (and Windows) capability is. I think the absolute maximum is 3GB, even though most articles state 4GB on a 32 bit system but not on all...some pieces of hardware only allow the addressing of 2GB for a 32 bit OS...so you would have to check with the motherboard supplier. You have to go to a 64 bit hardware to be able to use more RAM. http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_vista-performance/3 2-bit-operating-system-4gb-ram-limit/6c1b942e-d1cd-4ef5-bb93-388be8b5a049 Aside: On a Linux box you will have install a Physical Address Extension (PAE) patch for the kernel and I have heard that as much as 16 GB of RAM can be addressed on a 32 bit system after that. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rocky Smolin" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2013 10:36:23 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] W7 in 2GB RAM Maxes out at 2GB. I've got 3-4 machines here like that. I wanted to give one to a cousin but he needs to move up to W7. R -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2013 6:16 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues; 'Off Topic' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] W7 in 2GB RAM >From the horses mouth: http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows7/products/system-requirements If you want to run Windows 7 on your PC, here's what it takes: 1 gigahertz (GHz) or faster 32-bit (x86) or 64-bit (x64) processor 1 gigabyte (GB) RAM (32-bit) or 2 GB RAM (64-bit) 16 GB available hard disk space (32-bit) or 20 GB (64-bit) DirectX 9 graphics device with WDDM 1.0 or higher driver Second question; It should be fine to run Wordpad, Calc etc it you don't have any AV or other applications running in the background. Try to run something like an Office 2010 application and you will be thrashing the hard drive constantly. Are you sure that you can't replace the current memory with 2 x 2GB chips? -- Stuart On 27 Jul 2013 at 16:37, Rocky Smolin wrote: > Can you run W7 in 2GB RAM? I have a Dell Dimension 3100 - has a P$ at > 3+GHz but which maxes out at 2GB. Running WXP. Will it run > unacceptable slowly with only 2GB RAM? > > TIA > > Rocky > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Sun Jul 28 21:37:37 2013 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 12:37:37 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] W7 in 2GB RAM In-Reply-To: <009b01ce8bfb$af68dba0$0e3a92e0$@winhaven.net> References: <8FEC78C3CA4142C3B2763C10C2324F05@HAL9007>, , <009b01ce8bfb$af68dba0$0e3a92e0$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: <51F5D571.13595.563981B2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Good point about the external memory. According to one review that I saw, the Dell 3100 has a built in Card Reader, so you could stick a SD Card in it for Ready Boost. On 28 Jul 2013 at 20:33, John R Bartow wrote: > I think you should be OK with 2GB. Won't be a speed demon but will work. The > big chains were selling cheap machines with 2gb RAM when 7 was first > released. Also remember that Windows 7 can use an external USB memory stick > to boost RAM. > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin > Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2013 3:34 PM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] W7 in 2GB RAM > > The comps I have here that I could give him are all 2GB RAM limited - by > hardware. > > R > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence > Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2013 10:03 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] W7 in 2GB RAM > > Note, that it does also depend on what your hardware's (and Windows) > capability is. > > I think the absolute maximum is 3GB, even though most articles state 4GB on > a 32 bit system but not on all...some pieces of hardware only allow the > addressing of 2GB for a 32 bit OS...so you would have to check with the > motherboard supplier. You have to go to a 64 bit hardware to be able to use > more RAM. > > http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_vista-performance/3 > 2-bit-operating-system-4gb-ram-limit/6c1b942e-d1cd-4ef5-bb93-388be8b5a049 > > Aside: On a Linux box you will have install a Physical Address Extension > (PAE) patch for the kernel and I have heard that as much as 16 GB of RAM can > be addressed on a 32 bit system after that. > > Jim > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rocky Smolin" > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2013 10:36:23 PM > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] W7 in 2GB RAM > > Maxes out at 2GB. I've got 3-4 machines here like that. I wanted to give > one to a cousin but he needs to move up to W7. > > R > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan > Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2013 6:16 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues; 'Off Topic' > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] W7 in 2GB RAM > > >From the horses mouth: > > http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows7/products/system-requirements > > If you want to run Windows 7 on your PC, here's what it takes: > 1 gigahertz (GHz) or faster 32-bit (x86) or 64-bit (x64) processor > 1 gigabyte (GB) RAM (32-bit) or 2 GB RAM (64-bit) > 16 GB available hard disk space (32-bit) or 20 GB (64-bit) > DirectX 9 graphics device with WDDM 1.0 or higher driver > > Second question; > > It should be fine to run Wordpad, Calc etc it you don't have any AV or other > applications running in the background. > > Try to run something like an Office 2010 application and you will be > thrashing the hard drive constantly. > > Are you sure that you can't replace the current memory with 2 x 2GB chips? > > -- > Stuart > > On 27 Jul 2013 at 16:37, Rocky Smolin wrote: > > > Can you run W7 in 2GB RAM? I have a Dell Dimension 3100 - has a P$ at > > 3+GHz but which maxes out at 2GB. Running WXP. Will it run > > unacceptable slowly with only 2GB RAM? > > > > TIA > > > > Rocky > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Sun Jul 28 22:57:06 2013 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2013 20:57:06 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] W7 in 2GB RAM In-Reply-To: <51F5D571.13595.563981B2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <8FEC78C3CA4142C3B2763C10C2324F05@HAL9007>, , <009b01ce8bfb$af68dba0$0e3a92e0$@winhaven.net> <51F5D571.13595.563981B2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <6F45C2A7F6A441938D05080E0EA817DB@HAL9007> Isn't the data transfer rate really slow though? So slow that the thrashing would still be greater than the advantage from the additional (virtual) RAM? R -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2013 7:38 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] W7 in 2GB RAM Good point about the external memory. According to one review that I saw, the Dell 3100 has a built in Card Reader, so you could stick a SD Card in it for Ready Boost. On 28 Jul 2013 at 20:33, John R Bartow wrote: > I think you should be OK with 2GB. Won't be a speed demon but will work. The > big chains were selling cheap machines with 2gb RAM when 7 was first > released. Also remember that Windows 7 can use an external USB memory stick > to boost RAM. > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin > Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2013 3:34 PM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] W7 in 2GB RAM > > The comps I have here that I could give him are all 2GB RAM limited - by > hardware. > > R > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence > Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2013 10:03 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] W7 in 2GB RAM > > Note, that it does also depend on what your hardware's (and Windows) > capability is. > > I think the absolute maximum is 3GB, even though most articles state 4GB on > a 32 bit system but not on all...some pieces of hardware only allow the > addressing of 2GB for a 32 bit OS...so you would have to check with the > motherboard supplier. You have to go to a 64 bit hardware to be able to use > more RAM. > > http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_vista-performance/3 > 2-bit-operating-system-4gb-ram-limit/6c1b942e-d1cd-4ef5-bb93-388be8b5a049 > > Aside: On a Linux box you will have install a Physical Address Extension > (PAE) patch for the kernel and I have heard that as much as 16 GB of RAM can > be addressed on a 32 bit system after that. > > Jim > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rocky Smolin" > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2013 10:36:23 PM > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] W7 in 2GB RAM > > Maxes out at 2GB. I've got 3-4 machines here like that. I wanted to give > one to a cousin but he needs to move up to W7. > > R > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan > Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2013 6:16 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues; 'Off Topic' > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] W7 in 2GB RAM > > >From the horses mouth: > > http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows7/products/system-requirements > > If you want to run Windows 7 on your PC, here's what it takes: > 1 gigahertz (GHz) or faster 32-bit (x86) or 64-bit (x64) processor > 1 gigabyte (GB) RAM (32-bit) or 2 GB RAM (64-bit) > 16 GB available hard disk space (32-bit) or 20 GB (64-bit) > DirectX 9 graphics device with WDDM 1.0 or higher driver > > Second question; > > It should be fine to run Wordpad, Calc etc it you don't have any AV or other > applications running in the background. > > Try to run something like an Office 2010 application and you will be > thrashing the hard drive constantly. > > Are you sure that you can't replace the current memory with 2 x 2GB chips? > > -- > Stuart > > On 27 Jul 2013 at 16:37, Rocky Smolin wrote: > > > Can you run W7 in 2GB RAM? I have a Dell Dimension 3100 - has a P$ at > > 3+GHz but which maxes out at 2GB. Running WXP. Will it run > > unacceptable slowly with only 2GB RAM? > > > > TIA > > > > Rocky > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Sun Jul 28 23:39:19 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2013 22:39:19 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] W7 in 2GB RAM In-Reply-To: <6F45C2A7F6A441938D05080E0EA817DB@HAL9007> Message-ID: <1646940274.16773638.1375072759973.JavaMail.root@cds002> You could turn off indexing? Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rocky Smolin" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2013 8:57:06 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] W7 in 2GB RAM Isn't the data transfer rate really slow though? So slow that the thrashing would still be greater than the advantage from the additional (virtual) RAM? R -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2013 7:38 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] W7 in 2GB RAM Good point about the external memory. According to one review that I saw, the Dell 3100 has a built in Card Reader, so you could stick a SD Card in it for Ready Boost. On 28 Jul 2013 at 20:33, John R Bartow wrote: > I think you should be OK with 2GB. Won't be a speed demon but will work. The > big chains were selling cheap machines with 2gb RAM when 7 was first > released. Also remember that Windows 7 can use an external USB memory stick > to boost RAM. > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin > Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2013 3:34 PM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] W7 in 2GB RAM > > The comps I have here that I could give him are all 2GB RAM limited - by > hardware. > > R > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence > Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2013 10:03 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] W7 in 2GB RAM > > Note, that it does also depend on what your hardware's (and Windows) > capability is. > > I think the absolute maximum is 3GB, even though most articles state 4GB on > a 32 bit system but not on all...some pieces of hardware only allow the > addressing of 2GB for a 32 bit OS...so you would have to check with the > motherboard supplier. You have to go to a 64 bit hardware to be able to use > more RAM. > > http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_vista-performance/3 > 2-bit-operating-system-4gb-ram-limit/6c1b942e-d1cd-4ef5-bb93-388be8b5a049 > > Aside: On a Linux box you will have install a Physical Address Extension > (PAE) patch for the kernel and I have heard that as much as 16 GB of RAM can > be addressed on a 32 bit system after that. > > Jim > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rocky Smolin" > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2013 10:36:23 PM > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] W7 in 2GB RAM > > Maxes out at 2GB. I've got 3-4 machines here like that. I wanted to give > one to a cousin but he needs to move up to W7. > > R > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan > Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2013 6:16 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues; 'Off Topic' > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] W7 in 2GB RAM > > >From the horses mouth: > > http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows7/products/system-requirements > > If you want to run Windows 7 on your PC, here's what it takes: > 1 gigahertz (GHz) or faster 32-bit (x86) or 64-bit (x64) processor > 1 gigabyte (GB) RAM (32-bit) or 2 GB RAM (64-bit) > 16 GB available hard disk space (32-bit) or 20 GB (64-bit) > DirectX 9 graphics device with WDDM 1.0 or higher driver > > Second question; > > It should be fine to run Wordpad, Calc etc it you don't have any AV or other > applications running in the background. > > Try to run something like an Office 2010 application and you will be > thrashing the hard drive constantly. > > Are you sure that you can't replace the current memory with 2 x 2GB chips? > > -- > Stuart > > On 27 Jul 2013 at 16:37, Rocky Smolin wrote: > > > Can you run W7 in 2GB RAM? I have a Dell Dimension 3100 - has a P$ at > > 3+GHz but which maxes out at 2GB. Running WXP. Will it run > > unacceptable slowly with only 2GB RAM? > > > > TIA > > > > Rocky > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Mon Jul 29 00:01:30 2013 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2013 22:01:30 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] W7 in 2GB RAM In-Reply-To: <1646940274.16773638.1375072759973.JavaMail.root@cds002> References: <6F45C2A7F6A441938D05080E0EA817DB@HAL9007> <1646940274.16773638.1375072759973.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: <5B98D9D6D4DC4916A7829F1D3D95A40B@HAL9007> I'm just thinking how much longer it would take to run through 500MB of data being transferred from an SD card or a USB drive, than doing the same thing in RAM. Or even swapping that 500MB of data into ram before iterating through it. Is the SD card going to be any better than 2GB of HD space masquerading as RAM? R -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2013 9:39 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] W7 in 2GB RAM You could turn off indexing? Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rocky Smolin" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2013 8:57:06 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] W7 in 2GB RAM Isn't the data transfer rate really slow though? So slow that the thrashing would still be greater than the advantage from the additional (virtual) RAM? R -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2013 7:38 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] W7 in 2GB RAM Good point about the external memory. According to one review that I saw, the Dell 3100 has a built in Card Reader, so you could stick a SD Card in it for Ready Boost. On 28 Jul 2013 at 20:33, John R Bartow wrote: > I think you should be OK with 2GB. Won't be a speed demon but will work. The > big chains were selling cheap machines with 2gb RAM when 7 was first > released. Also remember that Windows 7 can use an external USB memory stick > to boost RAM. > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky > Smolin > Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2013 3:34 PM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] W7 in 2GB RAM > > The comps I have here that I could give him are all 2GB RAM limited - > by hardware. > > R > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim > Lawrence > Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2013 10:03 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] W7 in 2GB RAM > > Note, that it does also depend on what your hardware's (and Windows) > capability is. > > I think the absolute maximum is 3GB, even though most articles state > 4GB on > a 32 bit system but not on all...some pieces of hardware only allow > the addressing of 2GB for a 32 bit OS...so you would have to check > with the motherboard supplier. You have to go to a 64 bit hardware to > be able to use > more RAM. > > http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_vista-performance/3 > 2-bit-operating-system-4gb-ram-limit/6c1b942e-d1cd-4ef5-bb93-388be8b5a > 049 > > Aside: On a Linux box you will have install a Physical Address > Extension > (PAE) patch for the kernel and I have heard that as much as 16 GB of > RAM can > be addressed on a 32 bit system after that. > > Jim > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rocky Smolin" > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2013 10:36:23 PM > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] W7 in 2GB RAM > > Maxes out at 2GB. I've got 3-4 machines here like that. I wanted to > give one to a cousin but he needs to move up to W7. > > R > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan > Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2013 6:16 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues; 'Off Topic' > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] W7 in 2GB RAM > > >From the horses mouth: > > http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows7/products/system-requiremen > ts > > If you want to run Windows 7 on your PC, here's what it takes: > 1 gigahertz (GHz) or faster 32-bit (x86) or 64-bit (x64) processor > 1 gigabyte (GB) RAM (32-bit) or 2 GB RAM (64-bit) > 16 GB available hard disk space (32-bit) or 20 GB (64-bit) > DirectX 9 graphics device with WDDM 1.0 or higher driver > > Second question; > > It should be fine to run Wordpad, Calc etc it you don't have any AV or other > applications running in the background. > > Try to run something like an Office 2010 application and you will be > thrashing the hard drive constantly. > > Are you sure that you can't replace the current memory with 2 x 2GB chips? > > -- > Stuart > > On 27 Jul 2013 at 16:37, Rocky Smolin wrote: > > > Can you run W7 in 2GB RAM? I have a Dell Dimension 3100 - has a P$ > > at > > 3+GHz but which maxes out at 2GB. Running WXP. Will it run > > unacceptable slowly with only 2GB RAM? > > > > TIA > > > > Rocky > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Mon Jul 29 01:11:34 2013 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 16:11:34 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] W7 in 2GB RAM In-Reply-To: <5B98D9D6D4DC4916A7829F1D3D95A40B@HAL9007> References: <6F45C2A7F6A441938D05080E0EA817DB@HAL9007>, <1646940274.16773638.1375072759973.JavaMail.root@cds002>, <5B98D9D6D4DC4916A7829F1D3D95A40B@HAL9007> Message-ID: <51F60796.11905.56FD60ED@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Yes. Google "Ready Boost" On 28 Jul 2013 at 22:01, Rocky Smolin wrote: > I'm just thinking how much longer it would take to run through 500MB of data > being transferred from an SD card or a USB drive, than doing the same thing > in RAM. Or even swapping that 500MB of data into ram before iterating > through it. > > Is the SD card going to be any better than 2GB of HD space masquerading as > RAM? > > R > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence > Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2013 9:39 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] W7 in 2GB RAM > > You could turn off indexing? > > Jim > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rocky Smolin" > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2013 8:57:06 PM > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] W7 in 2GB RAM > > Isn't the data transfer rate really slow though? So slow that the thrashing > would still be greater than the advantage from the additional (virtual) RAM? > > R > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan > Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2013 7:38 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] W7 in 2GB RAM > > Good point about the external memory. According to one review that I saw, > the Dell 3100 has a built in Card Reader, so you could stick a SD Card in it > for Ready Boost. > > > On 28 Jul 2013 at 20:33, John R Bartow wrote: > > > I think you should be OK with 2GB. Won't be a speed demon but will work. > The > > big chains were selling cheap machines with 2gb RAM when 7 was first > > released. Also remember that Windows 7 can use an external USB memory > stick > > to boost RAM. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky > > Smolin > > Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2013 3:34 PM > > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] W7 in 2GB RAM > > > > The comps I have here that I could give him are all 2GB RAM limited - > > by hardware. > > > > R > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim > > Lawrence > > Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2013 10:03 AM > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] W7 in 2GB RAM > > > > Note, that it does also depend on what your hardware's (and Windows) > > capability is. > > > > I think the absolute maximum is 3GB, even though most articles state > > 4GB > on > > a 32 bit system but not on all...some pieces of hardware only allow > > the addressing of 2GB for a 32 bit OS...so you would have to check > > with the motherboard supplier. You have to go to a 64 bit hardware to > > be able to > use > > more RAM. > > > > > http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_vista-performance/3 > > 2-bit-operating-system-4gb-ram-limit/6c1b942e-d1cd-4ef5-bb93-388be8b5a > > 049 > > > > Aside: On a Linux box you will have install a Physical Address > > Extension > > (PAE) patch for the kernel and I have heard that as much as 16 GB of > > RAM > can > > be addressed on a 32 bit system after that. > > > > Jim > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Rocky Smolin" > > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > > > Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2013 10:36:23 PM > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] W7 in 2GB RAM > > > > Maxes out at 2GB. I've got 3-4 machines here like that. I wanted to > > give one to a cousin but he needs to move up to W7. > > > > R > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart > McLachlan > > Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2013 6:16 PM > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues; 'Off Topic' > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] W7 in 2GB RAM > > > > >From the horses mouth: > > > > http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows7/products/system-requiremen > > ts > > > > If you want to run Windows 7 on your PC, here's what it takes: > > 1 gigahertz (GHz) or faster 32-bit (x86) or 64-bit (x64) processor > > 1 gigabyte (GB) RAM (32-bit) or 2 GB RAM (64-bit) > > 16 GB available hard disk space (32-bit) or 20 GB (64-bit) > > DirectX 9 graphics device with WDDM 1.0 or higher driver > > > > Second question; > > > > It should be fine to run Wordpad, Calc etc it you don't have any AV or > other > > applications running in the background. > > > > Try to run something like an Office 2010 application and you will be > > thrashing the hard drive constantly. > > > > Are you sure that you can't replace the current memory with 2 x 2GB > chips? > > > > -- > > Stuart > > > > On 27 Jul 2013 at 16:37, Rocky Smolin wrote: > > > > > Can you run W7 in 2GB RAM? I have a Dell Dimension 3100 - has a P$ > > > at > > > 3+GHz but which maxes out at 2GB. Running WXP. Will it run > > > unacceptable slowly with only 2GB RAM? > > > > > > TIA > > > > > > Rocky > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From jbartow at winhaven.net Mon Jul 29 09:55:37 2013 From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow) Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 09:55:37 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] W7 in 2GB RAM In-Reply-To: <6F45C2A7F6A441938D05080E0EA817DB@HAL9007> References: <8FEC78C3CA4142C3B2763C10C2324F05@HAL9007>, , <009b01ce8bfb$af68dba0$0e3a92e0$@winhaven.net> <51F5D571.13595.563981B2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <6F45C2A7F6A441938D05080E0EA817DB@HAL9007> Message-ID: <008801ce8c6b$b09272a0$11b757e0$@winhaven.net> Windows sets it up to be accessed in a special way so that it is faster than you would typically see when using with pictures, etc. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2013 10:57 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] W7 in 2GB RAM Isn't the data transfer rate really slow though? So slow that the thrashing would still be greater than the advantage from the additional (virtual) RAM? R -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2013 7:38 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] W7 in 2GB RAM Good point about the external memory. According to one review that I saw, the Dell 3100 has a built in Card Reader, so you could stick a SD Card in it for Ready Boost. On 28 Jul 2013 at 20:33, John R Bartow wrote: > I think you should be OK with 2GB. Won't be a speed demon but will work. The > big chains were selling cheap machines with 2gb RAM when 7 was first > released. Also remember that Windows 7 can use an external USB memory stick > to boost RAM. > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky > Smolin > Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2013 3:34 PM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] W7 in 2GB RAM > > The comps I have here that I could give him are all 2GB RAM limited - > by hardware. > > R > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim > Lawrence > Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2013 10:03 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] W7 in 2GB RAM > > Note, that it does also depend on what your hardware's (and Windows) > capability is. > > I think the absolute maximum is 3GB, even though most articles state > 4GB on > a 32 bit system but not on all...some pieces of hardware only allow > the addressing of 2GB for a 32 bit OS...so you would have to check > with the motherboard supplier. You have to go to a 64 bit hardware to > be able to use > more RAM. > > http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_vista-performance/3 > 2-bit-operating-system-4gb-ram-limit/6c1b942e-d1cd-4ef5-bb93-388be8b5a > 049 > > Aside: On a Linux box you will have install a Physical Address > Extension > (PAE) patch for the kernel and I have heard that as much as 16 GB of > RAM can > be addressed on a 32 bit system after that. > > Jim > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rocky Smolin" > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2013 10:36:23 PM > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] W7 in 2GB RAM > > Maxes out at 2GB. I've got 3-4 machines here like that. I wanted to > give one to a cousin but he needs to move up to W7. > > R > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan > Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2013 6:16 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues; 'Off Topic' > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] W7 in 2GB RAM > > >From the horses mouth: > > http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows7/products/system-requiremen > ts > > If you want to run Windows 7 on your PC, here's what it takes: > 1 gigahertz (GHz) or faster 32-bit (x86) or 64-bit (x64) processor > 1 gigabyte (GB) RAM (32-bit) or 2 GB RAM (64-bit) > 16 GB available hard disk space (32-bit) or 20 GB (64-bit) > DirectX 9 graphics device with WDDM 1.0 or higher driver > > Second question; > > It should be fine to run Wordpad, Calc etc it you don't have any AV or other > applications running in the background. > > Try to run something like an Office 2010 application and you will be > thrashing the hard drive constantly. > > Are you sure that you can't replace the current memory with 2 x 2GB chips? > > -- > Stuart > > On 27 Jul 2013 at 16:37, Rocky Smolin wrote: > > > Can you run W7 in 2GB RAM? I have a Dell Dimension 3100 - has a P$ > > at > > 3+GHz but which maxes out at 2GB. Running WXP. Will it run > > unacceptable slowly with only 2GB RAM? > > > > TIA > > > > Rocky > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accesspro at cox.net Mon Jul 29 12:20:49 2013 From: accesspro at cox.net (Access Pro) Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 10:20:49 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] USB 3 In-Reply-To: <5t3i1m00x0xgD8Z01t3jVN> References: <8FEC78C3CA4142C3B2763C10C2324F05@HAL9007> <5t3i1m00x0xgD8Z01t3jVN> Message-ID: I am going to add one or more external hard drives to one of my machines. I wanted to use the fastest tech possible. I added a "USB 3" card to this machine. Purchased from Amazon: AnkerR Uspeed USB 3.0 PCI-E Express Card with 4 USB 3.0 Ports and 5V 4-Pin Power Connector for Desktops [VL805 Chipset] by Anker It installed and works but with a message saying that it is only running usb 2. I am still researching external drives and not ready to buy yet. Is there any way to easily test the sped of my new card w/o a drive to plug into it? Bob Heygood From eptept at gmail.com Mon Jul 29 12:47:26 2013 From: eptept at gmail.com (Ed Tesiny) Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 12:47:26 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] USB 3 In-Reply-To: References: <8FEC78C3CA4142C3B2763C10C2324F05@HAL9007> Message-ID: Hi Bob, see if anything below can help http://test.software.informer.com/download-test-usb-card-speed/ On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 12:20 PM, Access Pro wrote: > I am going to add one or more external hard drives to one of my machines. > I wanted to use the fastest tech possible. > I added a "USB 3" card to this machine. > Purchased from Amazon: > AnkerR Uspeed USB 3.0 PCI-E Express Card with 4 USB 3.0 Ports and 5V 4-Pin > Power Connector for Desktops [VL805 Chipset] > by Anker > > It installed and works but with a message saying that it is only running > usb > 2. > I am still researching external drives and not ready to buy yet. > Is there any way to easily test the sped of my new card w/o a drive to plug > into it? > > Bob Heygood > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From jon at tydda.plus.com Mon Jul 29 14:11:10 2013 From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda) Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 20:11:10 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] USB 3 In-Reply-To: References: <8FEC78C3CA4142C3B2763C10C2324F05@HAL9007> <5t3i1m00x0xgD8Z01t3jVN> Message-ID: <003c01ce8c8f$63724c10$2a56e430$@tydda.plus.com> I got a 64gb USB 3 memory stick on Amazon for ?30 not two months ago. Used it to test that my pci0e card was working properly, then gave I to my dad for his birthday :-) Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Access Pro Sent: 29 July 2013 18:21 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] USB 3 I am going to add one or more external hard drives to one of my machines. I wanted to use the fastest tech possible. I added a "USB 3" card to this machine. Purchased from Amazon: AnkerR Uspeed USB 3.0 PCI-E Express Card with 4 USB 3.0 Ports and 5V 4-Pin Power Connector for Desktops [VL805 Chipset] by Anker It installed and works but with a message saying that it is only running usb 2. I am still researching external drives and not ready to buy yet. Is there any way to easily test the sped of my new card w/o a drive to plug into it? Bob Heygood _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From marklbreen at gmail.com Tue Jul 30 01:51:39 2013 From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen) Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2013 07:51:39 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] USB 3 In-Reply-To: <003c01ce8c8f$63724c10$2a56e430$@tydda.plus.com> References: <8FEC78C3CA4142C3B2763C10C2324F05@HAL9007> <003c01ce8c8f$63724c10$2a56e430$@tydda.plus.com> Message-ID: Hey Jon, You are lucky to have him, and from the technology, he is lucky to have you also :) Mark On 29 July 2013 20:11, Jon Tydda wrote: > I got a 64gb USB 3 memory stick on Amazon for ?30 not two months ago. Used > it to test that my pci0e card was working properly, then gave I to my dad > for his birthday :-) > > > Jon > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Access Pro > Sent: 29 July 2013 18:21 > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: [dba-Tech] USB 3 > > I am going to add one or more external hard drives to one of my machines. > I wanted to use the fastest tech possible. > I added a "USB 3" card to this machine. > Purchased from Amazon: > AnkerR Uspeed USB 3.0 PCI-E Express Card with 4 USB 3.0 Ports and 5V 4-Pin > Power Connector for Desktops [VL805 Chipset] by Anker > > It installed and works but with a message saying that it is only running > usb > 2. > I am still researching external drives and not ready to buy yet. > Is there any way to easily test the sped of my new card w/o a drive to plug > into it? > > Bob Heygood > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From fuller.artful at gmail.com Tue Jul 30 10:08:17 2013 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2013 11:08:17 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Dual monitors Windows 8 Message-ID: Yesterday I bought what I deem a totally bitchin' laptop, for a fabulous price: 8GB of RAM, 1TB of hard disk. Wow. I attached my big monitor to it, but so far have not figured out how to make it dual-screen. At the moment I'm seeing the same image on both the laptop and the attached monitor. I want them to behave intelligently, e.g. I want to load, say Access, and have the code windows display on one screen and the running app on the other. I know how to do that in Win7 but Win8 is a bit of a new voyage for me. Can anyone help me over this admittedly minor hurdle? -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. -- Niels Bohr From jon.tydda at lonza.com Tue Jul 30 10:20:57 2013 From: jon.tydda at lonza.com (Tydda Jon - Lonza Slough) Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2013 17:20:57 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Dual monitors Windows 8 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2495B56EE0CF824A99F14B2492C85E5D01E1AFC749@CHVEX07.lonzagroup.net> If you press the Windows button and the letter P at the same time, you get the screen sharing dialog box. Choose Extend to get two separate screens. Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2013 4:08 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Dual monitors Windows 8 Yesterday I bought what I deem a totally bitchin' laptop, for a fabulous price: 8GB of RAM, 1TB of hard disk. Wow. I attached my big monitor to it, but so far have not figured out how to make it dual-screen. At the moment I'm seeing the same image on both the laptop and the attached monitor. I want them to behave intelligently, e.g. I want to load, say Access, and have the code windows display on one screen and the running app on the other. I know how to do that in Win7 but Win8 is a bit of a new voyage for me. Can anyone help me over this admittedly minor hurdle? -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. -- Niels Bohr _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com This communication and its attachments, if any, may contain confidential and privileged information the use of which by other persons or entities than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you receive this transmission in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete the material from your system. From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Tue Jul 30 10:34:04 2013 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2013 08:34:04 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Dual monitors Windows 8 In-Reply-To: <2495B56EE0CF824A99F14B2492C85E5D01E1AFC749@CHVEX07.lonzagroup.net> References: <2495B56EE0CF824A99F14B2492C85E5D01E1AFC749@CHVEX07.lonzagroup.net> Message-ID: <404C4ED1EDF04C6AA3E19291C74736CE@HAL9007> Good to know. I got my free laptop yesterday from the eMachines settlement and I'm going to load W8 on it today after I make the 5-DVD backup set. Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tydda Jon - Lonza Slough Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2013 8:21 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Dual monitors Windows 8 If you press the Windows button and the letter P at the same time, you get the screen sharing dialog box. Choose Extend to get two separate screens. Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2013 4:08 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Dual monitors Windows 8 Yesterday I bought what I deem a totally bitchin' laptop, for a fabulous price: 8GB of RAM, 1TB of hard disk. Wow. I attached my big monitor to it, but so far have not figured out how to make it dual-screen. At the moment I'm seeing the same image on both the laptop and the attached monitor. I want them to behave intelligently, e.g. I want to load, say Access, and have the code windows display on one screen and the running app on the other. I know how to do that in Win7 but Win8 is a bit of a new voyage for me. Can anyone help me over this admittedly minor hurdle? -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. -- Niels Bohr _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com This communication and its attachments, if any, may contain confidential and privileged information the use of which by other persons or entities than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you receive this transmission in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete the material from your system. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Tue Jul 30 11:31:45 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2013 10:31:45 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] MSOpenTech/http2-katana In-Reply-To: <404C4ED1EDF04C6AA3E19291C74736CE@HAL9007> Message-ID: <164293009.18025709.1375201905859.JavaMail.root@cds002> Microsoft is developing an Open Source server dedicated towards the new web protocols/performance and most likely Cloud operations. Read the whole article at: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/07/30/ms_opensources_earlyversion_http20_server/ Redmond is using a C#-based open source Web stack called Katana server as the basis of its implementation. In the blog post announcing the implementation, MS Open Tech says the protptype supports header compression and stream multiplexing. ... The idea of HTTP 2.0 is to slim-down the ubiquitous Web protocol to get performance improvements that you can't get merely by slinging more bandwidth at the problem: reducing the application layer latency by cutting amount of to-and-fro between client and server, and supporting request multiplexing. For those interested in viewing and understanding the code, the server open source can be download at GitHub: https://github.com/MSOpenTech/http2-katan From accesspro at cox.net Tue Jul 30 12:13:35 2013 From: accesspro at cox.net (Access Pro) Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2013 10:13:35 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] USB 3 In-Reply-To: <6KBg1m00Q0xgD8Z01KBh4s> References: <8FEC78C3CA4142C3B2763C10C2324F05@HAL9007> <5t3i1m00x0xgD8Z01t3jVN> <6KBg1m00Q0xgD8Z01KBh4s> Message-ID: Thanks for the responses. The 64 stick is probably the way to go. SO, will I be able to use it in the future for Ready Boost??? Thanks again, bob -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Monday, July 29, 2013 12:11 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] USB 3 I got a 64gb USB 3 memory stick on Amazon for ?30 not two months ago. Used it to test that my pci0e card was working properly, then gave I to my dad for his birthday :-) Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Access Pro Sent: 29 July 2013 18:21 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] USB 3 I am going to add one or more external hard drives to one of my machines. I wanted to use the fastest tech possible. I added a "USB 3" card to this machine. Purchased from Amazon: AnkerR Uspeed USB 3.0 PCI-E Express Card with 4 USB 3.0 Ports and 5V 4-Pin Power Connector for Desktops [VL805 Chipset] by Anker It installed and works but with a message saying that it is only running usb 2. I am still researching external drives and not ready to buy yet. Is there any way to easily test the sped of my new card w/o a drive to plug into it? Bob Heygood _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Tue Jul 30 13:46:57 2013 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2013 14:46:57 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Dual monitors Windows 8 In-Reply-To: <404C4ED1EDF04C6AA3E19291C74736CE@HAL9007> References: <2495B56EE0CF824A99F14B2492C85E5D01E1AFC749@CHVEX07.lonzagroup.net> <404C4ED1EDF04C6AA3E19291C74736CE@HAL9007> Message-ID: Thanks, Jon. Still learning the basics of Win8. Arthur From jon at tydda.plus.com Tue Jul 30 15:20:31 2013 From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda) Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2013 21:20:31 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] USB 3 In-Reply-To: References: <8FEC78C3CA4142C3B2763C10C2324F05@HAL9007> <5t3i1m00x0xgD8Z01t3jVN> <6KBg1m00Q0xgD8Z01KBh4s> Message-ID: <005101ce8d62$3e099590$ba1cc0b0$@tydda.plus.com> Yeah, I would think so. Seriously doubt you'd need that much "extra" RAM though :-) Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Access Pro Sent: 30 July 2013 18:14 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] USB 3 Thanks for the responses. The 64 stick is probably the way to go. SO, will I be able to use it in the future for Ready Boost??? Thanks again, bob -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Monday, July 29, 2013 12:11 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] USB 3 I got a 64gb USB 3 memory stick on Amazon for ?30 not two months ago. Used it to test that my pci0e card was working properly, then gave I to my dad for his birthday :-) Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Access Pro Sent: 29 July 2013 18:21 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] USB 3 I am going to add one or more external hard drives to one of my machines. I wanted to use the fastest tech possible. I added a "USB 3" card to this machine. Purchased from Amazon: AnkerR Uspeed USB 3.0 PCI-E Express Card with 4 USB 3.0 Ports and 5V 4-Pin Power Connector for Desktops [VL805 Chipset] by Anker It installed and works but with a message saying that it is only running usb 2. I am still researching external drives and not ready to buy yet. Is there any way to easily test the sped of my new card w/o a drive to plug into it? Bob Heygood _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jon at tydda.plus.com Tue Jul 30 15:23:23 2013 From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda) Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2013 21:23:23 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Dual monitors Windows 8 In-Reply-To: References: <2495B56EE0CF824A99F14B2492C85E5D01E1AFC749@CHVEX07.lonzagroup.net> <404C4ED1EDF04C6AA3E19291C74736CE@HAL9007> Message-ID: <005301ce8d62$a47e86f0$ed7b94d0$@tydda.plus.com> I love keyboard shortcuts. In my first job, it was mostly typing, so I learned all the shortcuts I could that meant I didn't have to take my hand off the keyboard to reach the mouse... that was back using NT 3.5, and I'm still using them a lot today. I always find it amazing that people will spend so much time picking their hand up off the keyboard, move it to the mouse, click on a menu, click on a menu, click on an item, then move their hand back, when I can achieve the same result in the time it takes to hit two or three keys... So here's my contribution to worldwide efficiency :-) http://windows.microsoft.com/en-gb/windows/keyboard-shortcuts#keyboard-short cuts=windows-7 Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: 30 July 2013 19:47 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Dual monitors Windows 8 Thanks, Jon. Still learning the basics of Win8. Arthur _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accesspro at cox.net Tue Jul 30 22:45:04 2013 From: accesspro at cox.net (Access Pro) Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2013 20:45:04 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] USB 3 In-Reply-To: <6kLh1m0040xgD8Z01kLiup> References: <8FEC78C3CA4142C3B2763C10C2324F05@HAL9007> <5t3i1m00x0xgD8Z01t3jVN> <6KBg1m00Q0xgD8Z01KBh4s> <6kLh1m0040xgD8Z01kLiup> Message-ID: <27F9DFC6B57842DFB45997F61CDE2BF4@7even> Well, per Wikipedia: The minimum cache size is 250 MB. In Vista or with FAT32 formatting of the drive, the maximum is 4 GB. In Windows 7 with NTFS formatting, the maximum cache size is 32 GB per device. Windows Vista allows only one device to be used, while Windows 7 allows multiple caches, one per device, up to a total of 256 GB.[3] Wonder how much it could help. Bob Heygood -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2013 1:21 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] USB 3 Yeah, I would think so. Seriously doubt you'd need that much "extra" RAM though :-) Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Access Pro Sent: 30 July 2013 18:14 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] USB 3 Thanks for the responses. The 64 stick is probably the way to go. SO, will I be able to use it in the future for Ready Boost??? Thanks again, bob -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Monday, July 29, 2013 12:11 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] USB 3 I got a 64gb USB 3 memory stick on Amazon for ?30 not two months ago. Used it to test that my pci0e card was working properly, then gave I to my dad for his birthday :-) Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Access Pro Sent: 29 July 2013 18:21 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: [dba-Tech] USB 3 I am going to add one or more external hard drives to one of my machines. I wanted to use the fastest tech possible. I added a "USB 3" card to this machine. Purchased from Amazon: AnkerR Uspeed USB 3.0 PCI-E Express Card with 4 USB 3.0 Ports and 5V 4-Pin Power Connector for Desktops [VL805 Chipset] by Anker It installed and works but with a message saying that it is only running usb 2. I am still researching external drives and not ready to buy yet. Is there any way to easily test the sped of my new card w/o a drive to plug into it? Bob Heygood _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Wed Jul 31 06:17:46 2013 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2013 07:17:46 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Where is Control Panel in WIndows 8 Message-ID: I want to uninstall a few things, notably McAfee, but cannot find Control Panel as in Windows 7. Help! -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. -- Niels Bohr From tinanfields at torchlake.com Wed Jul 31 06:53:46 2013 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2013 07:53:46 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Dual monitors Windows 8 In-Reply-To: <005301ce8d62$a47e86f0$ed7b94d0$@tydda.plus.com> References: <2495B56EE0CF824A99F14B2492C85E5D01E1AFC749@CHVEX07.lonzagroup.net> <404C4ED1EDF04C6AA3E19291C74736CE@HAL9007> <005301ce8d62$a47e86f0$ed7b94d0$@tydda.plus.com> Message-ID: <51F8FACA.50108@torchlake.com> Jon, I'm completely with you on this. Keyboard shortcuts just save me so much time and avoid wasted motions. Going through the page, whose link you provided, I ran across one that I don't recognize and don't know how to implement. In the list of Win-logo combinations is one for displaying the system properties dialog box. It calls for the Win-logo + Pause. I have no idea what that is supposed to mean. Do you? Thanks, TNF Tina Norris Fields tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com 231-322-2787 On 7/30/2013 4:23 PM, Jon Tydda wrote: > I love keyboard shortcuts. In my first job, it was mostly typing, so I > learned all the shortcuts I could that meant I didn't have to take my hand > off the keyboard to reach the mouse... that was back using NT 3.5, and I'm > still using them a lot today. > > I always find it amazing that people will spend so much time picking their > hand up off the keyboard, move it to the mouse, click on a menu, click on a > menu, click on an item, then move their hand back, when I can achieve the > same result in the time it takes to hit two or three keys... > > So here's my contribution to worldwide efficiency :-) > > http://windows.microsoft.com/en-gb/windows/keyboard-shortcuts#keyboard-shortcuts=windows-7 > > > Jon > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller > Sent: 30 July 2013 19:47 > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Dual monitors Windows 8 > > Thanks, Jon. Still learning the basics of Win8. > > Arthur > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From jon.tydda at lonza.com Wed Jul 31 07:15:26 2013 From: jon.tydda at lonza.com (Tydda Jon - Lonza Slough) Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2013 14:15:26 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Dual monitors Windows 8 In-Reply-To: <51F8FACA.50108@torchlake.com> References: <2495B56EE0CF824A99F14B2492C85E5D01E1AFC749@CHVEX07.lonzagroup.net> <404C4ED1EDF04C6AA3E19291C74736CE@HAL9007> <005301ce8d62$a47e86f0$ed7b94d0$@tydda.plus.com> <51F8FACA.50108@torchlake.com> Message-ID: <2495B56EE0CF824A99F14B2492C85E5D01E248519F@CHVEX07.lonzagroup.net> I'm guessing that'd be the Pause/Break button that's usually near Print Screen and Scroll Lock. Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris Fields Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2013 12:54 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Dual monitors Windows 8 Jon, I'm completely with you on this. Keyboard shortcuts just save me so much time and avoid wasted motions. Going through the page, whose link you provided, I ran across one that I don't recognize and don't know how to implement. In the list of Win-logo combinations is one for displaying the system properties dialog box. It calls for the Win-logo + Pause. I have no idea what that is supposed to mean. Do you? Thanks, TNF Tina Norris Fields tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com 231-322-2787 On 7/30/2013 4:23 PM, Jon Tydda wrote: > I love keyboard shortcuts. In my first job, it was mostly typing, so I > learned all the shortcuts I could that meant I didn't have to take my > hand off the keyboard to reach the mouse... that was back using NT > 3.5, and I'm still using them a lot today. > > I always find it amazing that people will spend so much time picking > their hand up off the keyboard, move it to the mouse, click on a menu, > click on a menu, click on an item, then move their hand back, when I > can achieve the same result in the time it takes to hit two or three keys... > > So here's my contribution to worldwide efficiency :-) > > http://windows.microsoft.com/en-gb/windows/keyboard-shortcuts#keyboard > -shortcuts=windows-7 > > > Jon > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur > Fuller > Sent: 30 July 2013 19:47 > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Dual monitors Windows 8 > > Thanks, Jon. Still learning the basics of Win8. > > Arthur > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com This communication and its attachments, if any, may contain confidential and privileged information the use of which by other persons or entities than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you receive this transmission in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete the material from your system. From jon.tydda at lonza.com Wed Jul 31 07:16:54 2013 From: jon.tydda at lonza.com (Tydda Jon - Lonza Slough) Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2013 14:16:54 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Where is Control Panel in WIndows 8 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2495B56EE0CF824A99F14B2492C85E5D01E24851A6@CHVEX07.lonzagroup.net> Hi Arthur I think you have to hover the mouse over the bottom right corner of the screen and it's in one of the menus there. Or you can download ClassicShell from SourceForge.net and it'll look like previous version so you can find everything again. That's what I did :-) Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2013 12:18 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Where is Control Panel in WIndows 8 I want to uninstall a few things, notably McAfee, but cannot find Control Panel as in Windows 7. Help! -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. -- Niels Bohr _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com This communication and its attachments, if any, may contain confidential and privileged information the use of which by other persons or entities than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you receive this transmission in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete the material from your system. From paul.hartland at googlemail.com Wed Jul 31 07:19:20 2013 From: paul.hartland at googlemail.com (Paul Hartland) Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2013 13:19:20 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Dual monitors Windows 8 In-Reply-To: <51F8FACA.50108@torchlake.com> References: <2495B56EE0CF824A99F14B2492C85E5D01E1AFC749@CHVEX07.lonzagroup.net> <404C4ED1EDF04C6AA3E19291C74736CE@HAL9007> <005301ce8d62$a47e86f0$ed7b94d0$@tydda.plus.com> <51F8FACA.50108@torchlake.com> Message-ID: The pause button is usually with the break key on a desktop keyboard if that helps On 31 July 2013 12:53, Tina Norris Fields wrote: > Jon, > > I'm completely with you on this. Keyboard shortcuts just save me so much > time and avoid wasted motions. > > Going through the page, whose link you provided, I ran across one that I > don't recognize and don't know how to implement. In the list of Win-logo > combinations is one for displaying the system properties dialog box. It > calls for the Win-logo + Pause. I have no idea what that is supposed to > mean. Do you? > > Thanks, > TNF > > Tina Norris Fields > tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-**com > 231-322-2787 > > On 7/30/2013 4:23 PM, Jon Tydda wrote: > >> I love keyboard shortcuts. In my first job, it was mostly typing, so I >> learned all the shortcuts I could that meant I didn't have to take my hand >> off the keyboard to reach the mouse... that was back using NT 3.5, and I'm >> still using them a lot today. >> >> I always find it amazing that people will spend so much time picking their >> hand up off the keyboard, move it to the mouse, click on a menu, click on >> a >> menu, click on an item, then move their hand back, when I can achieve the >> same result in the time it takes to hit two or three keys... >> >> So here's my contribution to worldwide efficiency :-) >> >> http://windows.microsoft.com/**en-gb/windows/keyboard-** >> shortcuts#keyboard-shortcuts=**windows-7 >> >> >> Jon >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: dba-tech-bounces@**databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces@**databaseadvisors.com] >> On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller >> Sent: 30 July 2013 19:47 >> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues >> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Dual monitors Windows 8 >> >> Thanks, Jon. Still learning the basics of Win8. >> >> Arthur >> >> ______________________________**_________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com >> >> ______________________________**_________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com >> >> > ______________________________**_________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com > -- Paul Hartland paul.hartland at googlemail.com From mcp2004 at mail.ru Wed Jul 31 07:20:16 2013 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2013 16:20:16 +0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?Where_is_Control_Panel_in_WIndows_8?= In-Reply-To: <2495B56EE0CF824A99F14B2492C85E5D01E24851A6@CHVEX07.lonzagroup.net> References: <2495B56EE0CF824A99F14B2492C85E5D01E24851A6@CHVEX07.lonzagroup.net> Message-ID: <1375273216.248101462@f354.mail.ru> Hi Jon and Arthur -- [WindowsKey]+X and then P will also open the Control Panel window in Win8 -- Shamil Wednesday, July 31, 2013 2:16 PM +02:00 from Tydda Jon - Lonza Slough : >Hi Arthur > >I think you have to hover the mouse over the bottom right corner of the screen and it's in one of the menus there. > >Or you can download ClassicShell from SourceForge.net and it'll look like previous version so you can find everything again. That's what I did :-) > > >Jon >-----Original Message----- >From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller >Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2013 12:18 PM >To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues >Subject: [dba-Tech] Where is Control Panel in WIndows 8 > >I want to uninstall a few things, notably McAfee, but cannot find Control Panel as in Windows 7. Help! > >-- >Arthur >Cell: 647.710.1314 > >Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. >??-- Niels Bohr >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > >This communication and its attachments, if any, may contain confidential and privileged information the use of which by other persons or entities than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you receive this transmission in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete the material from your system. > >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- ???????????? ?????? From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Wed Jul 31 07:59:04 2013 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2013 05:59:04 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Where is Control Panel in WIndows 8 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4677B8AA95CE43BAA8E5E7CD17B351EB@HAL9007> I just upped my new laptop from W7 to W8 just to see what all the fuss is about. It certainly is different, isn't it? I found this: http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-8/where-is-control-panel HTH Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2013 4:18 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Where is Control Panel in WIndows 8 I want to uninstall a few things, notably McAfee, but cannot find Control Panel as in Windows 7. Help! -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. -- Niels Bohr _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From peter.brawley at earthlink.net Wed Jul 31 09:13:49 2013 From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley) Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2013 09:13:49 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Where is Control Panel in WIndows 8 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <51F91B9D.90607@earthlink.net> On 2013-07-31 6:17 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > I want to uninstall a few things, notably McAfee, but cannot find Control > Panel as in Windows 7. Help! Exactly. What were M$ engineers thiking? Hover mouse over top right corner, click on start, settings. PB From fuller.artful at gmail.com Wed Jul 31 09:54:53 2013 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2013 10:54:53 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Where is Control Panel in WIndows 8 In-Reply-To: <51F91B9D.90607@earthlink.net> References: <51F91B9D.90607@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Meanwhile I am totally loving this new laptop. My ancient desktop may be able for resusitation, that remains to be seen, but even should it live on, as soon as I rescue its most recent data, then the plan is to dedicate it to Ubuntu and/or Mint. I'll keep the newish laptop on Windows8. I'm learning how this OS works. I still have to figure out several things. But at least I can get to the traditional desktop when necessary. And a big plus is how quickly it boots and also responds from hibernation mode. This day is Big Fun. Brand new laptop way more powerful than my desktop. I'm in seventh heaven. 8GB makes everything almost instantaneous. A. On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 10:13 AM, Peter Brawley wrote: > On 2013-07-31 6:17 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > >> I want to uninstall a few things, notably McAfee, but cannot find Control >> Panel as in Windows 7. Help! >> > > Exactly. What were M$ engineers thiking? > > Hover mouse over top right corner, click on start, settings. > > PB > > ______________________________**_________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com > -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. -- Niels Bohr From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Wed Jul 31 10:05:39 2013 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2013 08:05:39 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Where is Control Panel in WIndows 8 In-Reply-To: References: <51F91B9D.90607@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <05CE62F201344BF99403BCC7D120BB4E@HAL9007> My new 'free' laptop from the eMachines class action settlement is an Acer Aspire V5-471. 4GB RAM, not super fast - 1.4GHz, but a CORE i3 processor (4 cores) so it's pretty snappy so far. 14" display, 4 pounds, 4 hours of battery life. Looks like it will be my new travel machine. Best of all, it has a pause/break key which many laptops do not have which made it awkward to do access development. Before I do any more configuring, Noah has proselytized me into allowing him to create a dual boot so I can have Linux as well. He'll be loading his favorite distro, whatever that is this week, So I'll have a chance to play with that. But W8 is going to take a bit of learning as we've both found out. After the W8 upgrade, I found that I had no wireless drive. But I found the right package on the internets and got it installed, but that took an hour of futzing around trying to figure out what was wrong, what the fix was, and implementing the fix. Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2013 7:55 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Where is Control Panel in WIndows 8 Meanwhile I am totally loving this new laptop. My ancient desktop may be able for resusitation, that remains to be seen, but even should it live on, as soon as I rescue its most recent data, then the plan is to dedicate it to Ubuntu and/or Mint. I'll keep the newish laptop on Windows8. I'm learning how this OS works. I still have to figure out several things. But at least I can get to the traditional desktop when necessary. And a big plus is how quickly it boots and also responds from hibernation mode. This day is Big Fun. Brand new laptop way more powerful than my desktop. I'm in seventh heaven. 8GB makes everything almost instantaneous. A. On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 10:13 AM, Peter Brawley wrote: > On 2013-07-31 6:17 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > >> I want to uninstall a few things, notably McAfee, but cannot find >> Control Panel as in Windows 7. Help! >> > > Exactly. What were M$ engineers thiking? > > Hover mouse over top right corner, click on start, settings. > > PB > > ______________________________**_________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/dba-tech eadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech> > Website: > http://www.databaseadvisors.**com > -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. -- Niels Bohr _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From gustav at cactus.dk Wed Jul 31 10:09:49 2013 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2013 17:09:49 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Where is Control Panel in WIndows 8 Message-ID: <002f01ce8e00$005e3040$011a90c0$@cactus.dk> Hi Arthur There you go - Arthur as a Win8 fan! Did you forget that this is a product of the evils themselves? /gustav -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Arthur Fuller Sendt: 31. juli 2013 16:55 Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Where is Control Panel in WIndows 8 Meanwhile I am totally loving this new laptop. My ancient desktop may be able for resusitation, that remains to be seen, but even should it live on, as soon as I rescue its most recent data, then the plan is to dedicate it to Ubuntu and/or Mint. I'll keep the newish laptop on Windows8. I'm learning how this OS works. I still have to figure out several things. But at least I can get to the traditional desktop when necessary. And a big plus is how quickly it boots and also responds from hibernation mode. This day is Big Fun. Brand new laptop way more powerful than my desktop. I'm in seventh heaven. 8GB makes everything almost instantaneous. A. From bill_patten at embarqmail.com Wed Jul 31 10:50:23 2013 From: bill_patten at embarqmail.com (Bill Patten) Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2013 08:50:23 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Where is Control Panel in WIndows 8 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <754CF96FB75446768C1765E1F9EFAB0C@BPCS> Hi Arthur, Almost all of the features of Win 7 are included in Win 8, finding them is the issue. Put the mouse in the lower left corner of the desktop and you will see the go to Windows 8 thingy. RIGHT click on it and most of the utilities you want are there. For example Program and Features (adding and deleting programs) Power Options Event Viewer Device Manger Disk Management And more, try it, it's much faster than clicking on programs then scrolling to Accessories like XP and Win 7. HTH Bill -----Original Message----- From: Arthur Fuller Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2013 4:17 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Where is Control Panel in WIndows 8 I want to uninstall a few things, notably McAfee, but cannot find Control Panel as in Windows 7. Help! -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. -- Niels Bohr _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From kathryn at bassett.net Wed Jul 31 11:42:56 2013 From: kathryn at bassett.net (Kathryn Bassett) Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2013 09:42:56 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Where is Control Panel in WIndows 8 In-Reply-To: <4677B8AA95CE43BAA8E5E7CD17B351EB@HAL9007> References: <4677B8AA95CE43BAA8E5E7CD17B351EB@HAL9007> Message-ID: Add Start8 by StarDock to the computer (http://www.stardock.com/products/start8). After I did that for my client's new computer, there was no problem. Though I clued in John that it was really Win8, we didn't tell Jane as that would have just confused her. As long as it looked the same as what she was used to, she is good to go. She has some memory issues and would have to have things explained over and over, even if she weren't using a particular feature. All she needs is to get into Outlook. But getting there needed to look the same. Start8 works like a charm, and makes me less afraid of getting Win8 when the time comes that I have to get a new computer. Kathryn > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech- > bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin > Sent: 31 Jul 2013 5:59 AM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Where is Control Panel in WIndows 8 > > I just upped my new laptop from W7 to W8 just to see what all the fuss is > about. It certainly is different, isn't it? > > I found this: > http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-8/where-is-control-panel > > HTH > > Rocky > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur > Fuller > Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2013 4:18 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: [dba-Tech] Where is Control Panel in WIndows 8 > > I want to uninstall a few things, notably McAfee, but cannot find Control > Panel as in Windows 7. Help! > > -- > Arthur > Cell: 647.710.1314 > > Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. > -- Niels Bohr > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com