[dba-Tech] Deepin Linux

Jim Lawrence accessd at shaw.ca
Tue Jul 23 04:45:00 CDT 2013


Hi Hans:

I understand your suspicions but I wonder how many minutes a dodgy software update would survive before being outted within the Linux community? Considering that after that the entire distro would be black-listed for ever. 

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Hans-Christian Andersen" <hans.andersen at phulse.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 2:36:10 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Deepin Linux

Hi Jim,

> That said, do you really think that some open source distribution could have a hidden some malware or suspicious code within the program and no one in the world would have noticed it, especially coming out of China?

I'm talking about trusting software updates, not software that is currently installed.

- Hans



On 2013-07-23, at 2:24 AM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> Hi Hans:
> 
> No you did not mention China, I did initially, in the original post but assumed that your response to the thread was related to this specific distro. If you were not referring to China I apologize.
> 
> That said, do you really think that some open source distribution could have a hidden some malware or suspicious code within the program and no one in the world would have noticed it, especially coming out of China?
> 
> Correct me if I am wrong but I have never heard of OS malware package before as these products only survive due to their compiled proprietary (hidden) nature.
> 
> Jim  
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Hans-Christian Andersen" <hans.andersen at phulse.com>
> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Monday, July 22, 2013 8:51:07 PM
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Deepin Linux
> 
> Fyi, I never said anything about china in my previous email, so I'm not sure how you came to that conclusion?
> 
> - Hans
> 
> 
> On 2013-07-22, at 8:24 PM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
> 
>> Isn't Debian a core distro and a front end like Ubuntu is distro...because it uses Debian.
>> 
>> Interestingly enough the Deepin Linux distro is built on top of Debian/Ubuntu 13.04. It is basically nothing more than a presentation manager.
>> 
>> I would not just assume that there is some evil intent going on because the distro comes from China anymore than I would assume evil intent just because Windows and Mac OS are proprietary and they come from NSA-USA.
>> 
>> Jim   
>> 
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Hans-Christian Andersen" <hans.andersen at phulse.com>
>> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
>> Sent: Monday, July 22, 2013 7:44:27 PM
>> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Deepin Linux
>> 
>> Eh, I dunno. I'm all for open source, but I don't personally think that, just because something is open source, you can implicitly trust them.
>> 
>> Most linux distros have package managers that update your system from a central location (apt, yum, portage, etc) in binary format, so it's not like you can review system/software updates. You still have to trust what is being installed on your system is what it claims to be. You don't know if the distro maintainers aren't injecting something nasty into your software updates. And how many of us really review the source code of any open source application we install? Very few, I imagine (I don't).
>> 
>> So, I go by a slightly modified trust system. I go for distros that are established and have a large community around it. Debian, for instance, is a perfect example. Debian is a community distro and is not controlled by any single entity, in the spirit of open source and GNU.  http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/ap-manifesto.en.html
>> 
>> - Hans
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 2013-07-22, at 3:53 PM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Martin:
>>> 
>>> Its Open Source...anyone can view the code and can even, subsequently, download the source and recompile it on their own system. That is the thing with OSS projects, if there is any dodgy crap going on, it will be spotted in an instant.
>>> 
>>> It not proprietary like iOS and Windows OS where no one knows what code is running in the background, how invasive it is or how many back-doors are available. With proprietary code you have to assume that the supplier always have your best interests at heart and will never advantage of your activities or data. It all renders down to a simple act of faith.
>>> 
>>> So to answer your question, "Not at all."
>>> 
>>> Jim  
>>> 
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Martin Reid" <mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk>
>>> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
>>> Sent: Monday, July 22, 2013 1:38:28 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Deepin Linux
>>> 
>>> So you have no issue taking an OS developed by unknown people in China and installing it to run client business?
>>> 
>>> Just curious 
>>> 
>>> Martin
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>> 
>>> On 22 Jul 2013, at 21:34, "Rocky Smolin" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> "So easy a 60 year old can use it"  would have been a better pitch. 12 y.o.
>>>> can run anything. :)
>>>> 
>>>> R
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
>>>> Sent: Monday, July 22, 2013 1:30 PM
>>>> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>>>> Subject: [dba-Tech] Deepin Linux
>>>> 
>>>> There is a new Linux distro out which has been receiving very high rated
>>>> reviews called Deepin.
>>>> 
>>>> It is a product the has been totally written in China by a bunch of geeks
>>>> there. The attention to detail on this product is spectacular. It has been
>>>> loosely described as a cross between Windows 7/8 and a Linux distro. 
>>>> 
>>>> http://planet.linuxdeepin.com/2013/06/19/linux-deepin-12-12-is-released/
>>>> 
>>>> According to reviewers it is excessively easy to use..."So Easy a
>>>> 12-year-old Can Use It". Another plus, given that Ubuntu is one of the
>>>> fastest desktops, Deepin in comparison is far faster...maybe the fastest
>>>> distro of any type.
>>>> 
>>>> This product will definitely reside in one of my virtual drives and if it
>>>> stands up to previous billing, I will be looking for friends and businesses
>>>> on which to install Deepin.
>>>> 
>>>> Jim    
>>>> 
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