From accessd at shaw.ca  Sat Jun  1 09:57:22 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2013 07:57:22 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] The next trends
In-Reply-To: <00ed01ce5e19$66d37310$347a5930$@winhaven.net>
References: <2495B56EE0CF824A99F14B2492C85E5DED9357FC@CHVEX07.lonzagroup.net>	<01b501ce5d86$bc172f80$34458e80$@winhaven.net><CAFj0BAwi9ycAwM8w81MgfnLdBmmEVdzYNkbr826E1UQ2PEhUgg@mail.gmail.com>
	<00ed01ce5e19$66d37310$347a5930$@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <74783BD9AC62408DADC957F42119174A@server2003>

THe next trends in the computer world according to Mary Meeker.

The abridged version:
http://allthingsd.com/20130529/the-best-of-mary-meekers-2013-internet-trends
-slides/

The full version:
http://allthingsd.com/tag/mary-meeker/

Jim


From accessd at shaw.ca  Sat Jun  1 14:20:13 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2013 12:20:13 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Start button coming back to Windows 8.1
In-Reply-To: <00ed01ce5e19$66d37310$347a5930$@winhaven.net>
References: <2495B56EE0CF824A99F14B2492C85E5DED9357FC@CHVEX07.lonzagroup.net>	<01b501ce5d86$bc172f80$34458e80$@winhaven.net><CAFj0BAwi9ycAwM8w81MgfnLdBmmEVdzYNkbr826E1UQ2PEhUgg@mail.gmail.com>
	<00ed01ce5e19$66d37310$347a5930$@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <CC6EFC8F742D4D40B0C0D9EB0D7E9E79@server2003>

<rant mode on>
Microsoft has violated one of the major laws of development:

"Treat your users as co-developers."

Now we shall see if they can recover from this self-inflicted marketing
disaster. I think 8.1 is a start, pun intended, but they have a long way to
go before they will reach a position of respectability again. The general
public will not be hasty at releasing them from purgatory. Until MS can
demonstrate an ability to appreciate their clients and can ditch that
unbearable arrogance, they will be hated.
<rant mode off>

According to the following authors the "start button" is just the start of
the list of improvements to Windows 8.

http://www.zdnet.com/windows-8-1-unveiled-will-it-change-your-mind-about-win
dows-8-7000016112/

and 

http://www.zdnet.com/windows-blue-whats-new-on-the-search-front-7000016075/

...and completing with Google's new search by voice, Bing will have that
featured added on shortly (August?).

Jim


From jbartow at winhaven.net  Sat Jun  1 16:42:28 2013
From: jbartow at winhaven.net (jbartow at winhaven.net)
Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2013 16:42:28 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Start button coming back to Windows 8.1
In-Reply-To: <CC6EFC8F742D4D40B0C0D9EB0D7E9E79@server2003>
References: <2495B56EE0CF824A99F14B2492C85E5DED9357FC@CHVEX07.lonzagroup.net>	<01b501ce5d86$bc172f80$34458e80$@winhaven.net><CAFj0BAwi9ycAwM8w81MgfnLdBmmEVdzYNkbr826E1UQ2PEhUgg@mail.gmail.com>	<00ed01ce5e19$66d37310$347a5930$@winhaven.net>
	<CC6EFC8F742D4D40B0C0D9EB0D7E9E79@server2003>
Message-ID: <029f01ce5f10$ea131e40$be395ac0$@winhaven.net>

Name a company that doesn't do this. Has Google ever released anything not
in "Beta"?

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Saturday, June 01, 2013 2:20 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: [dba-Tech] Start button coming back to Windows 8.1

<rant mode on>
Microsoft has violated one of the major laws of development:

"Treat your users as co-developers."



From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Jun  3 11:34:20 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2013 09:34:20 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Start button coming back to Windows 8.1
In-Reply-To: <029f01ce5f10$ea131e40$be395ac0$@winhaven.net>
References: <2495B56EE0CF824A99F14B2492C85E5DED9357FC@CHVEX07.lonzagroup.net>	<01b501ce5d86$bc172f80$34458e80$@winhaven.net><CAFj0BAwi9ycAwM8w81MgfnLdBmmEVdzYNkbr826E1UQ2PEhUgg@mail.gmail.com>	<00ed01ce5e19$66d37310$347a5930$@winhaven.net><CC6EFC8F742D4D40B0C0D9EB0D7E9E79@server2003>
	<029f01ce5f10$ea131e40$be395ac0$@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <F87FACFA2CC1429F91B012DCB5004B71@server2003>

Hi John:

Along with your new tag, you have brought up a very interesting subject. It
may be a little out of step for this list but it is definitely tech related.

Large tech firms all become arrogant and as they grow they forget who put
them on the top. Many such companies have come and gone...Borland, VAX,
Lotus, Novell, SCO and so on...they were momentarily huge but are now mostly
gone and forgotten.

For decades Microsoft was run by a tough and shrewd business man, along with
his sidekick (Sancho Panza(?)). Now his old sidekick is trying to run
things. The new man is not an equal, not a visionary and viewed more as a
court-jester. Ballmer's running of the company has caused it to stagger from
one disaster to another. The only thing that has kept the company from
collapsing has been the huge cash cows like Office and a stable of some of
the finest developers and managers in the business. The truth is that MS
could go on for a long long time with this type of leadership but it will
never regain its once held position in the market and will just slowly
erode.

Ballmer's latest disaster is Windows RT. 
http://techcrunch.com/2013/06/03/microsoft-stop-trying-to-make-windows-rt-ha
ppen/

Microsoft could have easily solved the new low powered chip issues like
Linux did by simply making the OS handle it.

Jim
 
-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
jbartow at winhaven.net
Sent: Saturday, June 01, 2013 2:42 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Start button coming back to Windows 8.1

Name a company that doesn't do this. Has Google ever released anything not
in "Beta"?

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Saturday, June 01, 2013 2:20 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: [dba-Tech] Start button coming back to Windows 8.1

<rant mode on>
Microsoft has violated one of the major laws of development:

"Treat your users as co-developers."


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From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Mon Jun  3 15:56:15 2013
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2013 13:56:15 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Start button coming back to Windows 8.1
In-Reply-To: <F87FACFA2CC1429F91B012DCB5004B71@server2003>
References: <2495B56EE0CF824A99F14B2492C85E5DED9357FC@CHVEX07.lonzagroup.net>
	<01b501ce5d86$bc172f80$34458e80$@winhaven.net>
	<CAFj0BAwi9ycAwM8w81MgfnLdBmmEVdzYNkbr826E1UQ2PEhUgg@mail.gmail.com>
	<00ed01ce5e19$66d37310$347a5930$@winhaven.net>
	<CC6EFC8F742D4D40B0C0D9EB0D7E9E79@server2003>
	<029f01ce5f10$ea131e40$be395ac0$@winhaven.net>
	<F87FACFA2CC1429F91B012DCB5004B71@server2003>
Message-ID: <B099AA0E-1A29-4D7D-8DE7-5DD7F166484E@phulse.com>

Pretty soon they'll be giving them away for free with an order of fries at McDonalds. :p

How well are Windows 8 Surface tablets selling anyways? Last i heard, none too well either.

- Hans


On 2013-06-03, at 9:34 AM, "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> Hi John:
> 
> Along with your new tag, you have brought up a very interesting subject. It
> may be a little out of step for this list but it is definitely tech related.
> 
> Large tech firms all become arrogant and as they grow they forget who put
> them on the top. Many such companies have come and gone...Borland, VAX,
> Lotus, Novell, SCO and so on...they were momentarily huge but are now mostly
> gone and forgotten.
> 
> For decades Microsoft was run by a tough and shrewd business man, along with
> his sidekick (Sancho Panza(?)). Now his old sidekick is trying to run
> things. The new man is not an equal, not a visionary and viewed more as a
> court-jester. Ballmer's running of the company has caused it to stagger from
> one disaster to another. The only thing that has kept the company from
> collapsing has been the huge cash cows like Office and a stable of some of
> the finest developers and managers in the business. The truth is that MS
> could go on for a long long time with this type of leadership but it will
> never regain its once held position in the market and will just slowly
> erode.
> 
> Ballmer's latest disaster is Windows RT. 
> http://techcrunch.com/2013/06/03/microsoft-stop-trying-to-make-windows-rt-ha
> ppen/
> 
> Microsoft could have easily solved the new low powered chip issues like
> Linux did by simply making the OS handle it.
> 
> Jim
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> jbartow at winhaven.net
> Sent: Saturday, June 01, 2013 2:42 PM
> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Start button coming back to Windows 8.1
> 
> Name a company that doesn't do this. Has Google ever released anything not
> in "Beta"?
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
> Sent: Saturday, June 01, 2013 2:20 PM
> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
> Subject: [dba-Tech] Start button coming back to Windows 8.1
> 
> <rant mode on>
> Microsoft has violated one of the major laws of development:
> 
> "Treat your users as co-developers."
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
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From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Tue Jun  4 02:06:43 2013
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2013 08:06:43 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Start button coming back to Windows 8.1
In-Reply-To: <B099AA0E-1A29-4D7D-8DE7-5DD7F166484E@phulse.com>
References: <2495B56EE0CF824A99F14B2492C85E5DED9357FC@CHVEX07.lonzagroup.net>
	<01b501ce5d86$bc172f80$34458e80$@winhaven.net>
	<CAFj0BAwi9ycAwM8w81MgfnLdBmmEVdzYNkbr826E1UQ2PEhUgg@mail.gmail.com>
	<00ed01ce5e19$66d37310$347a5930$@winhaven.net>
	<CC6EFC8F742D4D40B0C0D9EB0D7E9E79@server2003>
	<029f01ce5f10$ea131e40$be395ac0$@winhaven.net>
	<F87FACFA2CC1429F91B012DCB5004B71@server2003>
	<B099AA0E-1A29-4D7D-8DE7-5DD7F166484E@phulse.com>
Message-ID: <3A7D1A28-C01C-463C-A17A-4B73193BC4DD@qub.ac.uk>

Close. Appears tech ed USA they will sell you one for 100 dollars.

In saying that I met MS yesterday and seen a demo of a cross platform app, running on multiple devices. Same experience on all of them including surface, win phone, ipad and android. Was most impressive.

We are not going win 8 but are going with them as our core systems.

Martin

Sent from my iPad

On 3 Jun 2013, at 21:57, "Hans-Christian Andersen" <hans.andersen at phulse.com> wrote:

> Pretty soon they'll be giving them away for free with an order of fries at McDonalds. :p
> 
> How well are Windows 8 Surface tablets selling anyways? Last i heard, none too well either.
> 
> - Hans
> 
> 
> On 2013-06-03, at 9:34 AM, "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
> 
>> Hi John:
>> 
>> Along with your new tag, you have brought up a very interesting subject. It
>> may be a little out of step for this list but it is definitely tech related.
>> 
>> Large tech firms all become arrogant and as they grow they forget who put
>> them on the top. Many such companies have come and gone...Borland, VAX,
>> Lotus, Novell, SCO and so on...they were momentarily huge but are now mostly
>> gone and forgotten.
>> 
>> For decades Microsoft was run by a tough and shrewd business man, along with
>> his sidekick (Sancho Panza(?)). Now his old sidekick is trying to run
>> things. The new man is not an equal, not a visionary and viewed more as a
>> court-jester. Ballmer's running of the company has caused it to stagger from
>> one disaster to another. The only thing that has kept the company from
>> collapsing has been the huge cash cows like Office and a stable of some of
>> the finest developers and managers in the business. The truth is that MS
>> could go on for a long long time with this type of leadership but it will
>> never regain its once held position in the market and will just slowly
>> erode.
>> 
>> Ballmer's latest disaster is Windows RT. 
>> http://techcrunch.com/2013/06/03/microsoft-stop-trying-to-make-windows-rt-ha
>> ppen/
>> 
>> Microsoft could have easily solved the new low powered chip issues like
>> Linux did by simply making the OS handle it.
>> 
>> Jim
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
>> jbartow at winhaven.net
>> Sent: Saturday, June 01, 2013 2:42 PM
>> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
>> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Start button coming back to Windows 8.1
>> 
>> Name a company that doesn't do this. Has Google ever released anything not
>> in "Beta"?
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
>> Sent: Saturday, June 01, 2013 2:20 PM
>> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
>> Subject: [dba-Tech] Start button coming back to Windows 8.1
>> 
>> <rant mode on>
>> Microsoft has violated one of the major laws of development:
>> 
>> "Treat your users as co-developers."
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> dba-Tech mailing list
>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>> 
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Jun  4 13:05:33 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2013 11:05:33 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 8.1 can now become an embedded OS
In-Reply-To: <3A7D1A28-C01C-463C-A17A-4B73193BC4DD@qub.ac.uk>
References: <2495B56EE0CF824A99F14B2492C85E5DED9357FC@CHVEX07.lonzagroup.net><01b501ce5d86$bc172f80$34458e80$@winhaven.net><CAFj0BAwi9ycAwM8w81MgfnLdBmmEVdzYNkbr826E1UQ2PEhUgg@mail.gmail.com><00ed01ce5e19$66d37310$347a5930$@winhaven.net><CC6EFC8F742D4D40B0C0D9EB0D7E9E79@server2003><029f01ce5f10$ea131e40$be395ac0$@winhaven.net><F87FACFA2CC1429F91B012DCB5004B71@server2003><B099AA0E-1A29-4D7D-8DE7-5DD7F166484E@phulse.com>
	<3A7D1A28-C01C-463C-A17A-4B73193BC4DD@qub.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <5262924EA4444209A98FB8DB68639FF0@server2003>

It looks like Windows 8.1 has taken a page from various Linux distros by
being able to boot straight to the desktop.

This feature of course, is great for being able to boot a particular
application. Before the only way this could happen is if a virtual disk was
set up appropriately.

http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/06/windows-8-1-gains-boot
-to-desktop-to-attract-business-users/

Jim 


From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Jun  4 13:06:36 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2013 11:06:36 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Start button coming back to Windows 8.1
In-Reply-To: <3A7D1A28-C01C-463C-A17A-4B73193BC4DD@qub.ac.uk>
References: <2495B56EE0CF824A99F14B2492C85E5DED9357FC@CHVEX07.lonzagroup.net><01b501ce5d86$bc172f80$34458e80$@winhaven.net><CAFj0BAwi9ycAwM8w81MgfnLdBmmEVdzYNkbr826E1UQ2PEhUgg@mail.gmail.com><00ed01ce5e19$66d37310$347a5930$@winhaven.net><CC6EFC8F742D4D40B0C0D9EB0D7E9E79@server2003><029f01ce5f10$ea131e40$be395ac0$@winhaven.net><F87FACFA2CC1429F91B012DCB5004B71@server2003><B099AA0E-1A29-4D7D-8DE7-5DD7F166484E@phulse.com>
	<3A7D1A28-C01C-463C-A17A-4B73193BC4DD@qub.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <2A5D0637D35243DC8CCA1C76A588E510@server2003>

Hi Martin:

You mean running MS servers?

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Martin Reid
Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2013 12:07 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Start button coming back to Windows 8.1

Close. Appears tech ed USA they will sell you one for 100 dollars.

In saying that I met MS yesterday and seen a demo of a cross platform app,
running on multiple devices. Same experience on all of them including
surface, win phone, ipad and android. Was most impressive.

We are not going win 8 but are going with them as our core systems.

Martin

Sent from my iPad

On 3 Jun 2013, at 21:57, "Hans-Christian Andersen"
<hans.andersen at phulse.com> wrote:

> Pretty soon they'll be giving them away for free with an order of fries at
McDonalds. :p
> 
> How well are Windows 8 Surface tablets selling anyways? Last i heard, none
too well either.
> 
> - Hans
> 
> 
> On 2013-06-03, at 9:34 AM, "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
> 
>> Hi John:
>> 
>> Along with your new tag, you have brought up a very interesting subject.
It
>> may be a little out of step for this list but it is definitely tech
related.
>> 
>> Large tech firms all become arrogant and as they grow they forget who put
>> them on the top. Many such companies have come and gone...Borland, VAX,
>> Lotus, Novell, SCO and so on...they were momentarily huge but are now
mostly
>> gone and forgotten.
>> 
>> For decades Microsoft was run by a tough and shrewd business man, along
with
>> his sidekick (Sancho Panza(?)). Now his old sidekick is trying to run
>> things. The new man is not an equal, not a visionary and viewed more as a
>> court-jester. Ballmer's running of the company has caused it to stagger
from
>> one disaster to another. The only thing that has kept the company from
>> collapsing has been the huge cash cows like Office and a stable of some
of
>> the finest developers and managers in the business. The truth is that MS
>> could go on for a long long time with this type of leadership but it will
>> never regain its once held position in the market and will just slowly
>> erode.
>> 
>> Ballmer's latest disaster is Windows RT. 
>>
http://techcrunch.com/2013/06/03/microsoft-stop-trying-to-make-windows-rt-ha
>> ppen/
>> 
>> Microsoft could have easily solved the new low powered chip issues like
>> Linux did by simply making the OS handle it.
>> 
>> Jim
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
>> jbartow at winhaven.net
>> Sent: Saturday, June 01, 2013 2:42 PM
>> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
>> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Start button coming back to Windows 8.1
>> 
>> Name a company that doesn't do this. Has Google ever released anything
not
>> in "Beta"?
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
>> Sent: Saturday, June 01, 2013 2:20 PM
>> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
>> Subject: [dba-Tech] Start button coming back to Windows 8.1
>> 
>> <rant mode on>
>> Microsoft has violated one of the major laws of development:
>> 
>> "Treat your users as co-developers."
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> dba-Tech mailing list
>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
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>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
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From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Tue Jun  4 13:13:04 2013
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2013 19:13:04 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Start button coming back to Windows 8.1
Message-ID: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB082959C538D3094@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk>

Yip. But  then we have hundreds

Martin

Sent from my Windows Phone
________________________________
From: Jim Lawrence
Sent: 04/06/2013 19:07
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Start button coming back to Windows 8.1

Hi Martin:

You mean running MS servers?

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Martin Reid
Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2013 12:07 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Start button coming back to Windows 8.1

Close. Appears tech ed USA they will sell you one for 100 dollars.

In saying that I met MS yesterday and seen a demo of a cross platform app,
running on multiple devices. Same experience on all of them including
surface, win phone, ipad and android. Was most impressive.

We are not going win 8 but are going with them as our core systems.

Martin

Sent from my iPad

On 3 Jun 2013, at 21:57, "Hans-Christian Andersen"
<hans.andersen at phulse.com> wrote:

> Pretty soon they'll be giving them away for free with an order of fries at
McDonalds. :p
>
> How well are Windows 8 Surface tablets selling anyways? Last i heard, none
too well either.
>
> - Hans
>
>
> On 2013-06-03, at 9:34 AM, "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
>
>> Hi John:
>>
>> Along with your new tag, you have brought up a very interesting subject.
It
>> may be a little out of step for this list but it is definitely tech
related.
>>
>> Large tech firms all become arrogant and as they grow they forget who put
>> them on the top. Many such companies have come and gone...Borland, VAX,
>> Lotus, Novell, SCO and so on...they were momentarily huge but are now
mostly
>> gone and forgotten.
>>
>> For decades Microsoft was run by a tough and shrewd business man, along
with
>> his sidekick (Sancho Panza(?)). Now his old sidekick is trying to run
>> things. The new man is not an equal, not a visionary and viewed more as a
>> court-jester. Ballmer's running of the company has caused it to stagger
from
>> one disaster to another. The only thing that has kept the company from
>> collapsing has been the huge cash cows like Office and a stable of some
of
>> the finest developers and managers in the business. The truth is that MS
>> could go on for a long long time with this type of leadership but it will
>> never regain its once held position in the market and will just slowly
>> erode.
>>
>> Ballmer's latest disaster is Windows RT.
>>
http://techcrunch.com/2013/06/03/microsoft-stop-trying-to-make-windows-rt-ha
>> ppen/
>>
>> Microsoft could have easily solved the new low powered chip issues like
>> Linux did by simply making the OS handle it.
>>
>> Jim
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
>> jbartow at winhaven.net
>> Sent: Saturday, June 01, 2013 2:42 PM
>> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
>> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Start button coming back to Windows 8.1
>>
>> Name a company that doesn't do this. Has Google ever released anything
not
>> in "Beta"?
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
>> Sent: Saturday, June 01, 2013 2:20 PM
>> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
>> Subject: [dba-Tech] Start button coming back to Windows 8.1
>>
>> <rant mode on>
>> Microsoft has violated one of the major laws of development:
>>
>> "Treat your users as co-developers."
>>
>>
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Jun  4 14:43:54 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2013 12:43:54 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Start button coming back to Windows 8.1
In-Reply-To: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB082959C538D3094@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk>
References: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB082959C538D3094@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <75AB5A2B1D5F4B049540088AC6FC2560@server2003>

Hi Martin:

Can I assume that you will now be using the new MS barebones server Hyper-V
2012...free with basic interface. Another page right out of the Linux play
book. 

The savings at the university will probably be about $2500 per server plus
connection licenses so in theory the saving could be half a millions or
more. 

Traditionally, I have found very few servers in the universities,
governments or larger businesses being anything else but UNIX/Linux so you
must be a bit of a test-bed for Microsoft and therefore allows the
university to receive preferred rates.

In my younger years, it was annoying that there was no place for MS SQL
servers except within smaller government departments as our provincial and
federal governments were covered by a one hundred percent Oracle site
license and therefore all servers were UNIX/Linux. I doubt whether things
have changed since then. 
 
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Martin Reid
Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2013 11:13 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Start button coming back to Windows 8.1

Yip. But  then we have hundreds

Martin

Sent from my Windows Phone
________________________________
From: Jim Lawrence
Sent: 04/06/2013 19:07
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Start button coming back to Windows 8.1

Hi Martin:

You mean running MS servers?

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Martin Reid
Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2013 12:07 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Start button coming back to Windows 8.1

Close. Appears tech ed USA they will sell you one for 100 dollars.

In saying that I met MS yesterday and seen a demo of a cross platform app,
running on multiple devices. Same experience on all of them including
surface, win phone, ipad and android. Was most impressive.

We are not going win 8 but are going with them as our core systems.

Martin

Sent from my iPad

On 3 Jun 2013, at 21:57, "Hans-Christian Andersen"
<hans.andersen at phulse.com> wrote:

> Pretty soon they'll be giving them away for free with an order of fries at
McDonalds. :p
>
> How well are Windows 8 Surface tablets selling anyways? Last i heard, none
too well either.
>
> - Hans
>
>
> On 2013-06-03, at 9:34 AM, "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
>
>> Hi John:
>>
>> Along with your new tag, you have brought up a very interesting subject.
It
>> may be a little out of step for this list but it is definitely tech
related.
>>
>> Large tech firms all become arrogant and as they grow they forget who put
>> them on the top. Many such companies have come and gone...Borland, VAX,
>> Lotus, Novell, SCO and so on...they were momentarily huge but are now
mostly
>> gone and forgotten.
>>
>> For decades Microsoft was run by a tough and shrewd business man, along
with
>> his sidekick (Sancho Panza(?)). Now his old sidekick is trying to run
>> things. The new man is not an equal, not a visionary and viewed more as a
>> court-jester. Ballmer's running of the company has caused it to stagger
from
>> one disaster to another. The only thing that has kept the company from
>> collapsing has been the huge cash cows like Office and a stable of some
of
>> the finest developers and managers in the business. The truth is that MS
>> could go on for a long long time with this type of leadership but it will
>> never regain its once held position in the market and will just slowly
>> erode.
>>
>> Ballmer's latest disaster is Windows RT.
>>
http://techcrunch.com/2013/06/03/microsoft-stop-trying-to-make-windows-rt-ha
>> ppen/
>>
>> Microsoft could have easily solved the new low powered chip issues like
>> Linux did by simply making the OS handle it.
>>
>> Jim
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
>> jbartow at winhaven.net
>> Sent: Saturday, June 01, 2013 2:42 PM
>> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
>> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Start button coming back to Windows 8.1
>>
>> Name a company that doesn't do this. Has Google ever released anything
not
>> in "Beta"?
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
>> Sent: Saturday, June 01, 2013 2:20 PM
>> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
>> Subject: [dba-Tech] Start button coming back to Windows 8.1
>>
>> <rant mode on>
>> Microsoft has violated one of the major laws of development:
>>
>> "Treat your users as co-developers."
>>
>>
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From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Tue Jun  4 14:49:07 2013
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2013 20:49:07 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Start button coming back to Windows 8.1
In-Reply-To: <75AB5A2B1D5F4B049540088AC6FC2560@server2003>
References: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB082959C538D3094@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk>
	<75AB5A2B1D5F4B049540088AC6FC2560@server2003>
Message-ID: <594D5AA7-446E-40D3-AF78-B6EC57F0E25F@qub.ac.uk>

Hi Jim

It's vm ware not sure which one. We have built a large vm stack which is currently rolling out. I would have went hyper v but systems and networks run that bit. We get a very preferred rate from ms. We have hundreds of lynx, unix etc and databases from MySQL to oracle. 

My own focus is ms stack so that's all I see really.

Martin

Sent from my iPad

On 4 Jun 2013, at 20:45, "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> Hi Martin:
> 
> Can I assume that you will now be using the new MS barebones server Hyper-V
> 2012...free with basic interface. Another page right out of the Linux play
> book. 
> 
> The savings at the university will probably be about $2500 per server plus
> connection licenses so in theory the saving could be half a millions or
> more. 
> 
> Traditionally, I have found very few servers in the universities,
> governments or larger businesses being anything else but UNIX/Linux so you
> must be a bit of a test-bed for Microsoft and therefore allows the
> university to receive preferred rates.
> 
> In my younger years, it was annoying that there was no place for MS SQL
> servers except within smaller government departments as our provincial and
> federal governments were covered by a one hundred percent Oracle site
> license and therefore all servers were UNIX/Linux. I doubt whether things
> have changed since then. 
> 
> Jim
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Martin Reid
> Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2013 11:13 AM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Start button coming back to Windows 8.1
> 
> Yip. But  then we have hundreds
> 
> Martin
> 
> Sent from my Windows Phone
> ________________________________
> From: Jim Lawrence
> Sent: 04/06/2013 19:07
> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Start button coming back to Windows 8.1
> 
> Hi Martin:
> 
> You mean running MS servers?
> 
> Jim
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Martin Reid
> Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2013 12:07 AM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Start button coming back to Windows 8.1
> 
> Close. Appears tech ed USA they will sell you one for 100 dollars.
> 
> In saying that I met MS yesterday and seen a demo of a cross platform app,
> running on multiple devices. Same experience on all of them including
> surface, win phone, ipad and android. Was most impressive.
> 
> We are not going win 8 but are going with them as our core systems.
> 
> Martin
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> On 3 Jun 2013, at 21:57, "Hans-Christian Andersen"
> <hans.andersen at phulse.com> wrote:
> 
>> Pretty soon they'll be giving them away for free with an order of fries at
> McDonalds. :p
>> 
>> How well are Windows 8 Surface tablets selling anyways? Last i heard, none
> too well either.
>> 
>> - Hans
>> 
>> 
>> On 2013-06-03, at 9:34 AM, "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi John:
>>> 
>>> Along with your new tag, you have brought up a very interesting subject.
> It
>>> may be a little out of step for this list but it is definitely tech
> related.
>>> 
>>> Large tech firms all become arrogant and as they grow they forget who put
>>> them on the top. Many such companies have come and gone...Borland, VAX,
>>> Lotus, Novell, SCO and so on...they were momentarily huge but are now
> mostly
>>> gone and forgotten.
>>> 
>>> For decades Microsoft was run by a tough and shrewd business man, along
> with
>>> his sidekick (Sancho Panza(?)). Now his old sidekick is trying to run
>>> things. The new man is not an equal, not a visionary and viewed more as a
>>> court-jester. Ballmer's running of the company has caused it to stagger
> from
>>> one disaster to another. The only thing that has kept the company from
>>> collapsing has been the huge cash cows like Office and a stable of some
> of
>>> the finest developers and managers in the business. The truth is that MS
>>> could go on for a long long time with this type of leadership but it will
>>> never regain its once held position in the market and will just slowly
>>> erode.
>>> 
>>> Ballmer's latest disaster is Windows RT.
> http://techcrunch.com/2013/06/03/microsoft-stop-trying-to-make-windows-rt-ha
>>> ppen/
>>> 
>>> Microsoft could have easily solved the new low powered chip issues like
>>> Linux did by simply making the OS handle it.
>>> 
>>> Jim
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
>>> jbartow at winhaven.net
>>> Sent: Saturday, June 01, 2013 2:42 PM
>>> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
>>> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Start button coming back to Windows 8.1
>>> 
>>> Name a company that doesn't do this. Has Google ever released anything
> not
>>> in "Beta"?
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
>>> Sent: Saturday, June 01, 2013 2:20 PM
>>> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
>>> Subject: [dba-Tech] Start button coming back to Windows 8.1
>>> 
>>> <rant mode on>
>>> Microsoft has violated one of the major laws of development:
>>> 
>>> "Treat your users as co-developers."
>>> 
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> dba-Tech mailing list
>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
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From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Tue Jun  4 17:16:34 2013
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2013 02:16:34 +0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?FYI=3A_Atlassian_Bitbucket_Passes_1_Million_?=
 =?utf-8?q?Users=2C_Another_Validation_Of_The_Fast-Growing_Developer_Marke?=
 =?utf-8?q?t?=
Message-ID: <1370384194.699981957@f438.i.mail.ru>

 Hi All --

FYI:? http://techcrunch.com/2013/06/04/atlassian-bitbucket-passes-1-million-users-another-validation-of-the-fast-growing-developer-market/

-- 
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Jun  4 17:56:12 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2013 15:56:12 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] FYI: Atlassian Bitbucket Passes 1 Million Users,
	Another Validation Of The Fast-Growing Developer Market
In-Reply-To: <1370384194.699981957@f438.i.mail.ru>
References: <1370384194.699981957@f438.i.mail.ru>
Message-ID: <FA7A76B50D6E42168FA473EA70605DDB@server2003>

Hi Shamil:

This is all good, the more open project the more advancements and faster the
whole computer industry progresses.

Aside: I have not seen a professional(?) article, short that it is, with so
many typos. Makes me laugh. ;-)

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov
Shamil
Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2013 3:17 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Softw
Subject: [dba-Tech] FYI: Atlassian Bitbucket Passes 1 Million Users, Another
Validation Of The Fast-Growing Developer Market

 Hi All --

FYI:?
http://techcrunch.com/2013/06/04/atlassian-bitbucket-passes-1-million-users-
another-validation-of-the-fast-growing-developer-market/

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From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Wed Jun  5 14:46:44 2013
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2013 23:46:44 +0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?FYI=3A_Microsoft=3A_Internet_Explorer_10_Is_?=
 =?utf-8?q?The_Most_Energy-Efficient_Browser=2C_Uses_Up_To_18=25_Less_Powe?=
 =?utf-8?q?r_Than_Chrome_And_Firefox?=
Message-ID: <1370461604.926159993@f319.mail.ru>

 " If everybody switched from Chrome and Firefox to Internet Explorer 10 on Windows 8, we could save enough energy? to power 10,000 U.S. households , a new study ( PDF ) commissioned by Microsoft says..."

http://techcrunch.com/2013/06/05/microsoft-internet-explorer-10-is-the-most-energy-efficient-browser-uses-up-to-18-less-power-than-chrome-and-firefox/

:)

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Jun  5 15:43:28 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2013 13:43:28 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] The evolution of the browser designer and editor
In-Reply-To: <1370461604.926159993@f319.mail.ru>
References: <1370461604.926159993@f319.mail.ru>
Message-ID: <2A83146C1A444CCF86210D4B93AFB582@server2003>

In the last few years as the browser has completely consumed most of the
development in the computer world, the editors-integrators-testers have not
kept up.

The attached link to the post is a great over-view of the advances in IDEs.
The author does feel the current work-flow system is broken but it is more
that editors are not advancing as fast as code developers. With the final
universal acceptance of HTML5/CSS/JavaScript the dam has broken and I would
expect to see site advances far beyond today's standard website designs.

http://blog.kenneth.io/blog/2013/05/21/our-web-development-workflow-is-compl
etely-broken/

It is truly a very exciting time for web developers.

Aside: I would truly like to be able to code as fast as the WebStorm video
shows but I suspect a carefully edited vid.

Jim 


From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Jun  5 15:57:02 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2013 13:57:02 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] FYI: Microsoft: Internet Explorer 10 Is The Most
	Energy-Efficient Browser,
	Uses Up To 18% Less Power Than Chrome And Firefox
In-Reply-To: <1370461604.926159993@f319.mail.ru>
References: <1370461604.926159993@f319.mail.ru>
Message-ID: <80A2B606C1694E199DFC4BBC7E3CA578@server2003>

Hi Shamil:

Thanks for posting the link. Interesting.

I would guess the next step for Microsoft would be to get their browser to
be able to run on all major platforms? 

Are improvements pointless, if the new browser can only run on a single
niche market OS, with proprietary hardware and software?

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov
Shamil
Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2013 12:47 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Softw
Subject: [dba-Tech] FYI: Microsoft: Internet Explorer 10 Is The Most
Energy-Efficient Browser, Uses Up To 18% Less Power Than Chrome And Firefox

 " If everybody switched from Chrome and Firefox to Internet Explorer 10 on
Windows 8, we could save enough energy? to power 10,000 U.S. households , a
new study ( PDF ) commissioned by Microsoft says..."

http://techcrunch.com/2013/06/05/microsoft-internet-explorer-10-is-the-most-
energy-efficient-browser-uses-up-to-18-less-power-than-chrome-and-firefox/

:)

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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Wed Jun  5 19:51:06 2013
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2013 17:51:06 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] FW: FW: FYI: Microsoft: Internet Explorer 10 Is The Most
	Energy-Efficient Browser,
	Uses Up To 18% Less Power Than Chrome And Firefox
Message-ID: <241AF37C44A04795BB3B59A5A33D136A@HAL9007>

My son's response to the article.  But he's a fan of all things Google. :)
 
Still trying to get his old man to switch from FF to Chrome.
 
Rocky
 

  _____  

From: Noah Sutton Smolin [mailto:noahsutsmo at gmail.com] 
Sent: June 05, 2013 5:12 PM
To: Rocky Smolin
Subject: Re: FW: [dba-Tech] FYI: Microsoft: Internet Explorer 10 Is The Most
Energy-Efficient Browser, Uses Up To 18% Less Power Than Chrome And Firefox


Ah, marketing teams, doing wonderful dimensional analysis on meaningless
statistics.


Though if IE10 is faster, there may be minor advantages. Still, I don't have
much of a problem with Pale Moon or Iceweasel, and they sync well, so I see
no serious issue. Microsoft came into the browser speed battle a little too
late.



On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 3:43 PM, Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:




-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov
Shamil
Sent: June 05, 2013 12:47 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Softw
Subject: [dba-Tech] FYI: Microsoft: Internet Explorer 10 Is The Most
Energy-Efficient Browser, Uses Up To 18% Less Power Than Chrome And Firefox

 " If everybody switched from Chrome and Firefox to Internet Explorer 10 on
Windows 8, we could save enough energy  to power 10,000 U.S. households , a
new study ( PDF ) commissioned by Microsoft says..."

http://techcrunch.com/2013/06/05/microsoft-internet-explorer-10-is-the-most-
<http://techcrunch.com/2013/06/05/microsoft-internet-explorer-10-is-the-most
-%0Aenergy-efficient-browser-uses-up-to-18-less-power-than-chrome-and-firefo
x/> 
energy-efficient-browser-uses-up-to-18-less-power-than-chrome-and-firefox/

:)

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From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Thu Jun  6 01:21:51 2013
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2013 23:21:51 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] FYI: Microsoft: Internet Explorer 10 Is The Most
	Energy-Efficient Browser,
	Uses Up To 18% Less Power Than Chrome And Firefox
In-Reply-To: <1370461604.926159993@f319.mail.ru>
References: <1370461604.926159993@f319.mail.ru>
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> a new study ( PDF ) commissioned by Microsoft says...

I don't even...

- Hans



On 2013-06-05, at 12:46 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil <mcp2004 at mail.ru> wrote:

> " If everybody switched from Chrome and Firefox to Internet Explorer 10 on Windows 8, we could save enough energy  to power 10,000 U.S. households , a new study ( PDF ) commissioned by Microsoft says..."
> 
> http://techcrunch.com/2013/06/05/microsoft-internet-explorer-10-is-the-most-energy-efficient-browser-uses-up-to-18-less-power-than-chrome-and-firefox/
> 
> :)
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Thu Jun  6 02:33:01 2013
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2013 03:33:01 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Retired at last
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1hg9u9Ry7gnio4939-4YVZoj9HuSTF5P=h3H9ZUeJ-PNw@mail.gmail.com>

I am formally declaring my retirement from this game of prrograming.. I can
no longer perform the moves that entitle one to make a living in this game.
Therefore I am returning to my original passion, writing screenplays. I
wrote 35 and sold one it got made, and most of that time I made my living
bartending, but then I discovered computers and programming and wrote some
books about the same, but now I'm done with this profession, and I my focus
is in the history of Chinese people in Canada. Of course it begins with the
immigrants invited to build our railroads for peanuts and then forbidden to
invite their wives (actually, they had to pay $500 immigration tax; if you
want to know how money that is is modern terms, Google can help you; just
type in "500 CDN dollars 1890" and you will see what a shocking value this
was.

My research has also uncovered a copy of a splendid (I don't know another
word for it) poster from the election in Kamloops, BC, by the Liberal
party, warning of the Yellow Peril.

This is why I have to stop writing software and doing something important.

I'll still attend this salon but my mind is currently on bigger issues.

-- 
Arthur
Cell: 647.710.1314

Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
  -- Niels Bohr

From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Thu Jun  6 02:42:15 2013
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2013 00:42:15 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Retired at last
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1hg9u9Ry7gnio4939-4YVZoj9HuSTF5P=h3H9ZUeJ-PNw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1hg9u9Ry7gnio4939-4YVZoj9HuSTF5P=h3H9ZUeJ-PNw@mail.gmail.com>
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Good luck, Arthur. I wish you all the best with your future endeavours. Does this mean your are retiring from this list? It's been a pleasure having you on this mailing list.

- Hans


On 2013-06-06, at 12:33 AM, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com> wrote:

> I am formally declaring my retirement from this game of prrograming.. I can
> no longer perform the moves that entitle one to make a living in this game.
> Therefore I am returning to my original passion, writing screenplays. I
> wrote 35 and sold one it got made, and most of that time I made my living
> bartending, but then I discovered computers and programming and wrote some
> books about the same, but now I'm done with this profession, and I my focus
> is in the history of Chinese people in Canada. Of course it begins with the
> immigrants invited to build our railroads for peanuts and then forbidden to
> invite their wives (actually, they had to pay $500 immigration tax; if you
> want to know how money that is is modern terms, Google can help you; just
> type in "500 CDN dollars 1890" and you will see what a shocking value this
> was.
> 
> My research has also uncovered a copy of a splendid (I don't know another
> word for it) poster from the election in Kamloops, BC, by the Liberal
> party, warning of the Yellow Peril.
> 
> This is why I have to stop writing software and doing something important.
> 
> I'll still attend this salon but my mind is currently on bigger issues.
> 
> -- 
> Arthur
> Cell: 647.710.1314
> 
> Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
>  -- Niels Bohr
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From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Thu Jun  6 04:55:16 2013
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2013 13:55:16 +0400
Subject: [dba-Tech]
 =?utf-8?q?The_evolution_of_the_browser_designer_and_ed?=
 =?utf-8?q?itor?=
In-Reply-To: <2A83146C1A444CCF86210D4B93AFB582@server2003>
References: <1370461604.926159993@f319.mail.ru>
	<2A83146C1A444CCF86210D4B93AFB582@server2003>
Message-ID: <1370512516.770991970@f15.mail.ru>

 Hi Jim --

That "WebStorm 5.0 Live Edit with Google Chrome" presentation looks very impressive, and the tools should be useful here, thank you.

BTW, MS is also doing some work in the similar direction and not only with HTML/CSS but also ASP.NET MVC and WebForms:

"Visual Studio 2012 Page Inspector":
http://blogs.msdn.com/b/visualstudiouk/archive/2012/11/19/visual-studio-2012-page-inspector.aspx

-- Shamil
Wednesday, June  5, 2013 1:43 PM -07:00 from "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca>:
>In the last few years as the browser has completely consumed most of the
>development in the computer world, the editors-integrators-testers have not
>kept up.
>
>The attached link to the post is a great over-view of the advances in IDEs.
>The author does feel the current work-flow system is broken but it is more
>that editors are not advancing as fast as code developers. With the final
>universal acceptance of HTML5/CSS/JavaScript the dam has broken and I would
>expect to see site advances far beyond today's standard website designs.
>
>http://blog.kenneth.io/blog/2013/05/21/our-web-development-workflow-is-compl
>etely-broken/
>
>It is truly a very exciting time for web developers.
>
>Aside: I would truly like to be able to code as fast as the WebStorm video
>shows but I suspect a carefully edited vid.
>
>Jim 
>
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From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Thu Jun  6 05:00:54 2013
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2013 14:00:54 +0400
Subject: [dba-Tech]
 =?utf-8?q?FYI=3A_Microsoft=3A_Internet_Explorer_10_Is_?=
 =?utf-8?q?The_Most_Energy-Efficient_Browser=2C_Uses_Up_To_18=25_Less_Powe?=
 =?utf-8?q?r_Than_Chrome_And_Firefox?=
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References: <1370461604.926159993@f319.mail.ru>
	<80A2B606C1694E199DFC4BBC7E3CA578@server2003>
Message-ID: <1370512854.44500483@f15.mail.ru>

 Hi Jim --

Not sure about MS planning to run their browser on all major platforms...

AFAIU their "energy saving"?improvements?figures were calculated based on current park of computers running MS Windows 8.

-- Shamil

Wednesday, June  5, 2013 1:57 PM -07:00 from "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca>:
>Hi Shamil:
>
>Thanks for posting the link. Interesting.
>
>I would guess the next step for Microsoft would be to get their browser to
>be able to run on all major platforms? 
>
>Are improvements pointless, if the new browser can only run on a single
>niche market OS, with proprietary hardware and software?
>
>Jim
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From:  dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov
>Shamil
>Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2013 12:47 PM
>To: Discussion of Hardware and Softw
>Subject: [dba-Tech] FYI: Microsoft: Internet Explorer 10 Is The Most
>Energy-Efficient Browser, Uses Up To 18% Less Power Than Chrome And Firefox
>
>?" If everybody switched from Chrome and Firefox to Internet Explorer 10 on
>Windows 8, we could save enough energy? to power 10,000 U.S. households , a
>new study ( PDF ) commissioned by Microsoft says..."
>
>http://techcrunch.com/2013/06/05/microsoft-internet-explorer-10-is-the-most-
>energy-efficient-browser-uses-up-to-18-less-power-than-chrome-and-firefox/
>
>:)
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From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Thu Jun  6 05:09:08 2013
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2013 14:09:08 +0400
Subject: [dba-Tech]
 =?utf-8?q?FW=3A_FW=3A_FYI=3A_Microsoft=3A_Internet_Exp?=
 =?utf-8?q?lorer_10_Is_The_Most_Energy-Efficient_Browser=2C_Uses_Up_To_18?=
 =?utf-8?q?=25_Less_Power_Than_Chrome_And_Firefox?=
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References: <241AF37C44A04795BB3B59A5A33D136A@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <1370513348.763934195@f15.mail.ru>

 Hi Rocky --

Thank you for your comment: your son seems to be fan of Mozilla-browser clones/forks, optimized and free of parental control ( I mean Pale Moon ) but AFAIU he is a young adult so the latter couldn't be considered as an issue there :)

>?Still trying to get his old man to switch from FF to Chrome.
Go directly to IE10! :)

-- Shamil

Wednesday, June  5, 2013 5:51 PM -07:00 from "Rocky Smolin" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>:
>My son's response to the article.  But he's a fan of all things Google. :)
>?
>Still trying to get his old man to switch from FF to Chrome.
>?
>Rocky
>?
>
>??_____ 
>
>From: Noah Sutton Smolin [mailto:noahsutsmo at gmail.com] 
>Sent: June 05, 2013 5:12 PM
>To: Rocky Smolin
>Subject: Re: FW: [dba-Tech] FYI: Microsoft: Internet Explorer 10 Is The Most
>Energy-Efficient Browser, Uses Up To 18% Less Power Than Chrome And Firefox
>
>
>Ah, marketing teams, doing wonderful dimensional analysis on meaningless
>statistics.
>
>
>Though if IE10 is faster, there may be minor advantages. Still, I don't have
>much of a problem with Pale Moon or Iceweasel, and they sync well, so I see
>no serious issue. Microsoft came into the browser speed battle a little too
>late.
>
>
>
>On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 3:43 PM, Rocky Smolin < rockysmolin at bchacc.com > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From:  dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov
>Shamil
>Sent: June 05, 2013 12:47 PM
>To: Discussion of Hardware and Softw
>Subject: [dba-Tech] FYI: Microsoft: Internet Explorer 10 Is The Most
>Energy-Efficient Browser, Uses Up To 18% Less Power Than Chrome And Firefox
>
>?" If everybody switched from Chrome and Firefox to Internet Explorer 10 on
>Windows 8, we could save enough energy  to power 10,000 U.S. households , a
>new study ( PDF ) commissioned by Microsoft says..."
>
>http://techcrunch.com/2013/06/05/microsoft-internet-explorer-10-is-the-most-
>< http://techcrunch.com/2013/06/05/microsoft-internet-explorer-10-is-the-most
>-%0Aenergy-efficient-browser-uses-up-to-18-less-power-than-chrome-and-firefo
>x/> 
>energy-efficient-browser-uses-up-to-18-less-power-than-chrome-and-firefox/
>
>:)
>
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Jun  6 05:34:02 2013
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2013 12:34:02 +0200
Subject: [dba-Tech] Retired at last
Message-ID: <006201ce62a1$5cbefc00$163cf400$@cactus.dk>

Hi Arthur

Ha! Haven't you declared your retirement once or twice before?
So let's see ...

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Arthur Fuller
Sendt: 6. juni 2013 09:33
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Emne: [dba-Tech] Retired at last

I am formally declaring my retirement from this game of prrograming.. I can
no longer perform the moves that entitle one to make a living in this game.
Therefore I am returning to my original passion, writing screenplays. I
wrote 35 and sold one it got made, and most of that time I made my living
bartending, but then I discovered computers and programming and wrote some
books about the same, but now I'm done with this profession, and I my focus
is in the history of Chinese people in Canada. Of course it begins with the
immigrants invited to build our railroads for peanuts and then forbidden to
invite their wives (actually, they had to pay $500 immigration tax; if you
want to know how money that is is modern terms, Google can help you; just
type in "500 CDN dollars 1890" and you will see what a shocking value this
was.

My research has also uncovered a copy of a splendid (I don't know another
word for it) poster from the election in Kamloops, BC, by the Liberal party,
warning of the Yellow Peril.

This is why I have to stop writing software and doing something important.

I'll still attend this salon but my mind is currently on bigger issues.

--
Arthur
Cell: 647.710.1314

Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
  -- Niels Bohr 



From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Thu Jun  6 06:02:39 2013
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2013 07:02:39 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Retired at last
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1hg9u9Ry7gnio4939-4YVZoj9HuSTF5P=h3H9ZUeJ-PNw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1hg9u9Ry7gnio4939-4YVZoj9HuSTF5P=h3H9ZUeJ-PNw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <51B06C4F.8050901@torchlake.com>

Well, dear friend, as long as you don't abandon all of us, I guess it's 
okay to stop programming.  If you really can, that is.

I would love to read some of your screenplays, when you are ready to share.

With as many different passions as many of us have, we simply have to 
have several careers in our lifetimes.  Good thing to live a long life, 
so we can squeeze in time for all of our big interests.

Best to you,
T

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
231-322-2787

On 6/6/2013 3:33 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote:
> I am formally declaring my retirement from this game of prrograming.. I can
> no longer perform the moves that entitle one to make a living in this game.
> Therefore I am returning to my original passion, writing screenplays. I
> wrote 35 and sold one it got made, and most of that time I made my living
> bartending, but then I discovered computers and programming and wrote some
> books about the same, but now I'm done with this profession, and I my focus
> is in the history of Chinese people in Canada. Of course it begins with the
> immigrants invited to build our railroads for peanuts and then forbidden to
> invite their wives (actually, they had to pay $500 immigration tax; if you
> want to know how money that is is modern terms, Google can help you; just
> type in "500 CDN dollars 1890" and you will see what a shocking value this
> was.
>
> My research has also uncovered a copy of a splendid (I don't know another
> word for it) poster from the election in Kamloops, BC, by the Liberal
> party, warning of the Yellow Peril.
>
> This is why I have to stop writing software and doing something important.
>
> I'll still attend this salon but my mind is currently on bigger issues.
>


From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Thu Jun  6 06:28:30 2013
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2013 07:28:30 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Retired at last
In-Reply-To: <51B06C4F.8050901@torchlake.com>
References: <CAEPJO1hg9u9Ry7gnio4939-4YVZoj9HuSTF5P=h3H9ZUeJ-PNw@mail.gmail.com>
	<51B06C4F.8050901@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1hQzHO6sgYzc=cNjUmuEm=R_Le9ZPRXqgrvj+oQAEKr4w@mail.gmail.com>

Gustav, Hans and Tina,

You are correct. As in Michael Corleone in The Godfather and later The
Sopranos, "I keep trying to get out but they keep dragging me back in." In
fact you are so prescient. No sooner did I email this than an old client
called me to do   a couple of enhancements. LOL.You can't get out of this
business. I guess that I should just retire the idea of getting out.
There's only one way out, and that is death. But what if I'm wrong about
that too?

A.


On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 7:02 AM, Tina Norris Fields <
tinanfields at torchlake.com> wrote:

> Well, dear friend, as long as you don't abandon all of us, I guess it's
> okay to stop programming.  If you really can, that is.
>
> I would love to read some of your screenplays, when you are ready to share.
>
> With as many different passions as many of us have, we simply have to have
> several careers in our lifetimes.  Good thing to live a long life, so we
> can squeeze in time for all of our big interests.
>
> Best to you,
> T
>
> Tina Norris Fields
> tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-**com
> 231-322-2787
>
>
> On 6/6/2013 3:33 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote:
>
>> I am formally declaring my retirement from this game of prrograming.. I
>> can
>> no longer perform the moves that entitle one to make a living in this
>> game.
>> Therefore I am returning to my original passion, writing screenplays. I
>> wrote 35 and sold one it got made, and most of that time I made my living
>> bartending, but then I discovered computers and programming and wrote some
>> books about the same, but now I'm done with this profession, and I my
>> focus
>> is in the history of Chinese people in Canada. Of course it begins with
>> the
>> immigrants invited to build our railroads for peanuts and then forbidden
>> to
>> invite their wives (actually, they had to pay $500 immigration tax; if you
>> want to know how money that is is modern terms, Google can help you; just
>> type in "500 CDN dollars 1890" and you will see what a shocking value this
>> was.
>>
>> My research has also uncovered a copy of a splendid (I don't know another
>> word for it) poster from the election in Kamloops, BC, by the Liberal
>> party, warning of the Yellow Peril.
>>
>> This is why I have to stop writing software and doing something important.
>>
>> I'll still attend this salon but my mind is currently on bigger issues.
>>
>>
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-- 
Arthur
Cell: 647.710.1314

Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
  -- Niels Bohr

From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Thu Jun  6 07:33:26 2013
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2013 05:33:26 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Retired at last
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1hg9u9Ry7gnio4939-4YVZoj9HuSTF5P=h3H9ZUeJ-PNw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1hg9u9Ry7gnio4939-4YVZoj9HuSTF5P=h3H9ZUeJ-PNw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B786D180547E45EDA3B127DBA62BB832@HAL9007>

Well, all the best Arthur.  Couldn't happen to a nicer guy.  I'm almost
there myself - sold off the IP rights to my product and am just doing a few
private clients and playing lots of music.  It's a seductive lifestyle, I
tell ya, not having work break up your whole day. :)

But I wish you would come over to the OT list - at least lurk for a while
until you get sucked in.  Nice folks, interesting drama, no rules debates, I
think you'd like it.

Best,

Rocky


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: June 06, 2013 12:33 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] Retired at last

I am formally declaring my retirement from this game of prrograming.. I can
no longer perform the moves that entitle one to make a living in this game.
Therefore I am returning to my original passion, writing screenplays. I
wrote 35 and sold one it got made, and most of that time I made my living
bartending, but then I discovered computers and programming and wrote some
books about the same, but now I'm done with this profession, and I my focus
is in the history of Chinese people in Canada. Of course it begins with the
immigrants invited to build our railroads for peanuts and then forbidden to
invite their wives (actually, they had to pay $500 immigration tax; if you
want to know how money that is is modern terms, Google can help you; just
type in "500 CDN dollars 1890" and you will see what a shocking value this
was.

My research has also uncovered a copy of a splendid (I don't know another
word for it) poster from the election in Kamloops, BC, by the Liberal party,
warning of the Yellow Peril.

This is why I have to stop writing software and doing something important.

I'll still attend this salon but my mind is currently on bigger issues.

--
Arthur
Cell: 647.710.1314

Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
  -- Niels Bohr
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Thu Jun  6 08:09:19 2013
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2013 06:09:19 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] FW: FW: FYI: Microsoft: Internet Explorer 10 Is The
	Most Energy-Efficient Browser,
	Uses Up To 18% Less Power Than Chrome And Firefox
In-Reply-To: <1370513348.763934195@f15.mail.ru>
References: <241AF37C44A04795BB3B59A5A33D136A@HAL9007>
	<1370513348.763934195@f15.mail.ru>
Message-ID: <CB709DAE2E6D4AAEAFB0813849C25CFC@HAL9007>

He's 16 and a self-described geek. Pretty fair programmer in his own right -
Java, C, LUA. Does the software for the robotics teams at school and got
himself a paid internship at General Atomics, which is close to home, doing
nuclear fusion research - all code - simulations.  And a real BIG Linux fan,
as well.  Sounds like he's on the same track as your boy.  (Popular saying
here: the apple doesn't fall far from the tree.) But enough bragging.  

My only experience with IE10 wasn't good.  I have one client whose FE and BE
I maintain on their server.  Remote access was set up by their network guy
and the access did not work in FF.  So I used IE - IE9.  Then I got the
upgrade to IE10 and found that 1) I the remote access work didn't work in
IE10, and 2) I couldn't go back to IE9 without going back to a restore
point.  Eventually I found the toolbar with the Browser Mode selection so I
run ie10 in IE9 mode which I can't figure out how to set as a default so I
have to select it every time I run IE.  PITA.  But all the reviews I've read
of IE10 have been real good. Do you find any compatibility issues with IE10?
Sites that don't work, etc.?

R

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov
Shamil
Sent: June 06, 2013 3:09 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] FW: FW: FYI: Microsoft: Internet Explorer 10 Is The
Most Energy-Efficient Browser, Uses Up To 18% Less Power Than Chrome And
Firefox

 Hi Rocky --

Thank you for your comment: your son seems to be fan of Mozilla-browser
clones/forks, optimized and free of parental control ( I mean Pale Moon )
but AFAIU he is a young adult so the latter couldn't be considered as an
issue there :)

>?Still trying to get his old man to switch from FF to Chrome.
Go directly to IE10! :)

-- Shamil

Wednesday, June  5, 2013 5:51 PM -07:00 from "Rocky Smolin"
<rockysmolin at bchacc.com>:
>My son's response to the article.  But he's a fan of all things Google. 
>:)
>?
>Still trying to get his old man to switch from FF to Chrome.
>?
>Rocky
>?
>
>??_____
>
>From: Noah Sutton Smolin [mailto:noahsutsmo at gmail.com]
>Sent: June 05, 2013 5:12 PM
>To: Rocky Smolin
>Subject: Re: FW: [dba-Tech] FYI: Microsoft: Internet Explorer 10 Is The 
>Most Energy-Efficient Browser, Uses Up To 18% Less Power Than Chrome 
>And Firefox
>
>
>Ah, marketing teams, doing wonderful dimensional analysis on 
>meaningless statistics.
>
>
>Though if IE10 is faster, there may be minor advantages. Still, I don't 
>have much of a problem with Pale Moon or Iceweasel, and they sync well, 
>so I see no serious issue. Microsoft came into the browser speed battle 
>a little too late.
>
>
>
>On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 3:43 PM, Rocky Smolin < rockysmolin at bchacc.com >
wrote:
>
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From:  dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
>Salakhetdinov Shamil
>Sent: June 05, 2013 12:47 PM
>To: Discussion of Hardware and Softw
>Subject: [dba-Tech] FYI: Microsoft: Internet Explorer 10 Is The Most 
>Energy-Efficient Browser, Uses Up To 18% Less Power Than Chrome And 
>Firefox
>
>?" If everybody switched from Chrome and Firefox to Internet Explorer 
>10 on Windows 8, we could save enough energy  to power 10,000 U.S. 
>households , a new study ( PDF ) commissioned by Microsoft says..."
>
>http://techcrunch.com/2013/06/05/microsoft-internet-explorer-10-is-the-
>most- < 
>http://techcrunch.com/2013/06/05/microsoft-internet-explorer-10-is-the-
>most 
>-%0Aenergy-efficient-browser-uses-up-to-18-less-power-than-chrome-and-f
>irefo
>x/>
>energy-efficient-browser-uses-up-to-18-less-power-than-chrome-and-firef
>ox/
>
>:)
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Thu Jun  6 08:49:42 2013
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2013 09:49:42 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Retired at last
In-Reply-To: <B786D180547E45EDA3B127DBA62BB832@HAL9007>
References: <CAEPJO1hg9u9Ry7gnio4939-4YVZoj9HuSTF5P=h3H9ZUeJ-PNw@mail.gmail.com>
	<B786D180547E45EDA3B127DBA62BB832@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1iLyzdi2cGJUSiaLK3vsOmXNAvdtiOvZnaJpLcVPOJuZA@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks, Rocky. And I shall join the OT list pronto.


On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 8:33 AM, Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:

> Well, all the best Arthur.  Couldn't happen to a nicer guy.  I'm almost
> there myself - sold off the IP rights to my product and am just doing a few
> private clients and playing lots of music.  It's a seductive lifestyle, I
> tell ya, not having work break up your whole day. :)
>
> But I wish you would come over to the OT list - at least lurk for a while
> until you get sucked in.  Nice folks, interesting drama, no rules debates,
> I
> think you'd like it.
>
> Best,
>
> Rocky
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
> Sent: June 06, 2013 12:33 AM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: [dba-Tech] Retired at last
>
> I am formally declaring my retirement from this game of prrograming.. I can
> no longer perform the moves that entitle one to make a living in this game.
> Therefore I am returning to my original passion, writing screenplays. I
> wrote 35 and sold one it got made, and most of that time I made my living
> bartending, but then I discovered computers and programming and wrote some
> books about the same, but now I'm done with this profession, and I my focus
> is in the history of Chinese people in Canada. Of course it begins with the
> immigrants invited to build our railroads for peanuts and then forbidden to
> invite their wives (actually, they had to pay $500 immigration tax; if you
> want to know how money that is is modern terms, Google can help you; just
> type in "500 CDN dollars 1890" and you will see what a shocking value this
> was.
>
> My research has also uncovered a copy of a splendid (I don't know another
> word for it) poster from the election in Kamloops, BC, by the Liberal
> party,
> warning of the Yellow Peril.
>
> This is why I have to stop writing software and doing something important.
>
> I'll still attend this salon but my mind is currently on bigger issues.
>
> --
> Arthur
> Cell: 647.710.1314
>
> Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
>   -- Niels Bohr
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Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
  -- Niels Bohr

From peter.brawley at earthlink.net  Thu Jun  6 09:07:51 2013
From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley)
Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2013 09:07:51 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] the digital economy & us
Message-ID: <51B097B7.1040406@earthlink.net>

"The digital economy operates as a kind of sophisticatedX Factor: 
someone will make it, but most won't -- and the real loser is society"

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/jun/05/digital-economy-work-for-free

PB

From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Thu Jun  6 10:58:23 2013
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2013 19:58:23 +0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?FYI=3A_ToDoMVC_-_Helping_you_select_an_MV*_f?=
 =?utf-8?q?ramework?=
Message-ID: <1370534303.733360309@f61.mail.ru>


https://github.com/tastejs/todomvc/

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Jun  6 11:10:27 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2013 09:10:27 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Retired at last
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1hg9u9Ry7gnio4939-4YVZoj9HuSTF5P=h3H9ZUeJ-PNw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1hg9u9Ry7gnio4939-4YVZoj9HuSTF5P=h3H9ZUeJ-PNw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <60BC3621175C435EBA8827BC47EF8FCF@server2003>

Hi Arthur:

Good fortune in your new career. 

Before you can finish your book you will have to come to west coast and
visit "New" Hong Kong or/and even Victoria, which has the oldest Chinese
community, in Canada and I believe the first fully licenses Opium factory on
the west coast. The BC government archives is also resides in Victoria.   

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2013 12:33 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] Retired at last

I am formally declaring my retirement from this game of prrograming.. I can
no longer perform the moves that entitle one to make a living in this game.
Therefore I am returning to my original passion, writing screenplays. I
wrote 35 and sold one it got made, and most of that time I made my living
bartending, but then I discovered computers and programming and wrote some
books about the same, but now I'm done with this profession, and I my focus
is in the history of Chinese people in Canada. Of course it begins with the
immigrants invited to build our railroads for peanuts and then forbidden to
invite their wives (actually, they had to pay $500 immigration tax; if you
want to know how money that is is modern terms, Google can help you; just
type in "500 CDN dollars 1890" and you will see what a shocking value this
was.

My research has also uncovered a copy of a splendid (I don't know another
word for it) poster from the election in Kamloops, BC, by the Liberal
party, warning of the Yellow Peril.

This is why I have to stop writing software and doing something important.

I'll still attend this salon but my mind is currently on bigger issues.

-- 
Arthur
Cell: 647.710.1314

Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
  -- Niels Bohr
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Thu Jun  6 11:23:18 2013
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2013 12:23:18 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Retired at last
In-Reply-To: <60BC3621175C435EBA8827BC47EF8FCF@server2003>
References: <CAEPJO1hg9u9Ry7gnio4939-4YVZoj9HuSTF5P=h3H9ZUeJ-PNw@mail.gmail.com>
	<60BC3621175C435EBA8827BC47EF8FCF@server2003>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1htThGROiEhzgnthHGfEXy9FcSS+Cqe5PRAxpT2XdqK5w@mail.gmail.com>

i WAS THER LAST YEAR AND PLAN TO VISIT AGAIN SOON. Sorry for the caps in
the previous sentence. Will attempt to contact you prior to my arrival.
Would love to meet you in the physical universe.


On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 12:10 PM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> Hi Arthur:
>
> Good fortune in your new career.
>
> Before you can finish your book you will have to come to west coast and
> visit "New" Hong Kong or/and even Victoria, which has the oldest Chinese
> community, in Canada and I believe the first fully licenses Opium factory
> on
> the west coast. The BC government archives is also resides in Victoria.
>
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
> Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2013 12:33 AM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: [dba-Tech] Retired at last
>
> I am formally declaring my retirement from this game of prrograming.. I can
> no longer perform the moves that entitle one to make a living in this game.
> Therefore I am returning to my original passion, writing screenplays. I
> wrote 35 and sold one it got made, and most of that time I made my living
> bartending, but then I discovered computers and programming and wrote some
> books about the same, but now I'm done with this profession, and I my focus
> is in the history of Chinese people in Canada. Of course it begins with the
> immigrants invited to build our railroads for peanuts and then forbidden to
> invite their wives (actually, they had to pay $500 immigration tax; if you
> want to know how money that is is modern terms, Google can help you; just
> type in "500 CDN dollars 1890" and you will see what a shocking value this
> was.
>
> My research has also uncovered a copy of a splendid (I don't know another
> word for it) poster from the election in Kamloops, BC, by the Liberal
> party, warning of the Yellow Peril.
>
> This is why I have to stop writing software and doing something important.
>
> I'll still attend this salon but my mind is currently on bigger issues.
>
> --
> Arthur
> Cell: 647.710.1314
>
> Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
>   -- Niels Bohr
> _______________________________________________
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>



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Arthur
Cell: 647.710.1314

Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
  -- Niels Bohr

From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Jun  6 11:35:18 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2013 09:35:18 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] the digital economy & us
In-Reply-To: <51B097B7.1040406@earthlink.net>
References: <51B097B7.1040406@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <D16454AB24FB4F138B4E3B02DA5F275D@server2003>

Hi Peter:

This is really a OT list subject not a Tech topic. It is more political than
technical. 

That aside, according to the latest studies, it is the first time in
history, where given a huge change in the economic structure, like the
industrial revolution, there are more jobs lost than created. The solution
is that there has to be created a fair distribution of wealth or there will
be insufficient consumers.

Jim  

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Peter Brawley
Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2013 7:08 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] the digital economy & us

"The digital economy operates as a kind of sophisticatedX Factor: 
someone will make it, but most won't -- and the real loser is society"

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/jun/05/digital-economy-work-for
-free

PB
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Jun  6 11:42:17 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2013 09:42:17 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] The evolution of the browser designer and editor
In-Reply-To: <1370512516.770991970@f15.mail.ru>
References: <1370461604.926159993@f319.mail.ru><2A83146C1A444CCF86210D4B93AFB582@server2003>
	<1370512516.770991970@f15.mail.ru>
Message-ID: <840C01A54E424BB891D2886B2B424A63@server2003>

Hi Shamil:

This is great stuff. :-)

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov
Shamil
Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2013 2:55 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] The evolution of the browser designer and editor

 Hi Jim --

That "WebStorm 5.0 Live Edit with Google Chrome" presentation looks very
impressive, and the tools should be useful here, thank you.

BTW, MS is also doing some work in the similar direction and not only with
HTML/CSS but also ASP.NET MVC and WebForms:

"Visual Studio 2012 Page Inspector":
http://blogs.msdn.com/b/visualstudiouk/archive/2012/11/19/visual-studio-2012
-page-inspector.aspx

-- Shamil
Wednesday, June  5, 2013 1:43 PM -07:00 from "Jim Lawrence"
<accessd at shaw.ca>:
>In the last few years as the browser has completely consumed most of the
>development in the computer world, the editors-integrators-testers have not
>kept up.
>
>The attached link to the post is a great over-view of the advances in IDEs.
>The author does feel the current work-flow system is broken but it is more
>that editors are not advancing as fast as code developers. With the final
>universal acceptance of HTML5/CSS/JavaScript the dam has broken and I would
>expect to see site advances far beyond today's standard website designs.
>
>http://blog.kenneth.io/blog/2013/05/21/our-web-development-workflow-is-comp
l
>etely-broken/
>
>It is truly a very exciting time for web developers.
>
>Aside: I would truly like to be able to code as fast as the WebStorm video
>shows but I suspect a carefully edited vid.
>
>Jim 
>
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Jun  6 11:44:49 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2013 09:44:49 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] FYI: ToDoMVC - Helping you select an MV* framework
In-Reply-To: <1370534303.733360309@f61.mail.ru>
References: <1370534303.733360309@f61.mail.ru>
Message-ID: <DD2B24021EAF4E62BFCD488C6D8AD31F@server2003>

Hi Shamil:

This does look very interesting. I will have to review at length....later.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov
Shamil
Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2013 8:58 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Softw
Subject: [dba-Tech] FYI: ToDoMVC - Helping you select an MV* framework


https://github.com/tastejs/todomvc/

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Jun  6 11:46:04 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2013 09:46:04 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Retired at last
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1htThGROiEhzgnthHGfEXy9FcSS+Cqe5PRAxpT2XdqK5w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1hg9u9Ry7gnio4939-4YVZoj9HuSTF5P=h3H9ZUeJ-PNw@mail.gmail.com><60BC3621175C435EBA8827BC47EF8FCF@server2003>
	<CAEPJO1htThGROiEhzgnthHGfEXy9FcSS+Cqe5PRAxpT2XdqK5w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5FBBF5EC467042188F1AB225A74A06D0@server2003>

Hi Arthur:

That should be aan adventure...look forward to it.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2013 9:23 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Retired at last

i WAS THER LAST YEAR AND PLAN TO VISIT AGAIN SOON. Sorry for the caps in
the previous sentence. Will attempt to contact you prior to my arrival.
Would love to meet you in the physical universe.


On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 12:10 PM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> Hi Arthur:
>
> Good fortune in your new career.
>
> Before you can finish your book you will have to come to west coast and
> visit "New" Hong Kong or/and even Victoria, which has the oldest Chinese
> community, in Canada and I believe the first fully licenses Opium factory
> on
> the west coast. The BC government archives is also resides in Victoria.
>
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
> Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2013 12:33 AM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: [dba-Tech] Retired at last
>
> I am formally declaring my retirement from this game of prrograming.. I
can
> no longer perform the moves that entitle one to make a living in this
game.
> Therefore I am returning to my original passion, writing screenplays. I
> wrote 35 and sold one it got made, and most of that time I made my living
> bartending, but then I discovered computers and programming and wrote some
> books about the same, but now I'm done with this profession, and I my
focus
> is in the history of Chinese people in Canada. Of course it begins with
the
> immigrants invited to build our railroads for peanuts and then forbidden
to
> invite their wives (actually, they had to pay $500 immigration tax; if you
> want to know how money that is is modern terms, Google can help you; just
> type in "500 CDN dollars 1890" and you will see what a shocking value this
> was.
>
> My research has also uncovered a copy of a splendid (I don't know another
> word for it) poster from the election in Kamloops, BC, by the Liberal
> party, warning of the Yellow Peril.
>
> This is why I have to stop writing software and doing something important.
>
> I'll still attend this salon but my mind is currently on bigger issues.
>
> --
> Arthur
> Cell: 647.710.1314
>
> Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
>   -- Niels Bohr
> _______________________________________________
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From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Thu Jun  6 12:25:57 2013
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2013 10:25:57 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] FW: FW: FYI: Microsoft: Internet Explorer 10 Is The
	Most Energy-Efficient Browser,
	Uses Up To 18% Less Power Than Chrome And Firefox
In-Reply-To: <CB709DAE2E6D4AAEAFB0813849C25CFC@HAL9007>
References: <241AF37C44A04795BB3B59A5A33D136A@HAL9007>
	<1370513348.763934195@f15.mail.ru>
	<CB709DAE2E6D4AAEAFB0813849C25CFC@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <046A9EC9-FE67-4C80-B9CA-14930494B822@phulse.com>

Sounds like your son has a good head on his shoulders and is on the right track and early at that as well.

- Hans


On 2013-06-06, at 6:09 AM, "Rocky Smolin" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:

> He's 16 and a self-described geek. Pretty fair programmer in his own right -
> Java, C, LUA. Does the software for the robotics teams at school and got
> himself a paid internship at General Atomics, which is close to home, doing
> nuclear fusion research - all code - simulations.  And a real BIG Linux fan,
> as well.  Sounds like he's on the same track as your boy.  (Popular saying
> here: the apple doesn't fall far from the tree.) But enough bragging.  
> 
> My only experience with IE10 wasn't good.  I have one client whose FE and BE
> I maintain on their server.  Remote access was set up by their network guy
> and the access did not work in FF.  So I used IE - IE9.  Then I got the
> upgrade to IE10 and found that 1) I the remote access work didn't work in
> IE10, and 2) I couldn't go back to IE9 without going back to a restore
> point.  Eventually I found the toolbar with the Browser Mode selection so I
> run ie10 in IE9 mode which I can't figure out how to set as a default so I
> have to select it every time I run IE.  PITA.  But all the reviews I've read
> of IE10 have been real good. Do you find any compatibility issues with IE10?
> Sites that don't work, etc.?
> 
> R
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov
> Shamil
> Sent: June 06, 2013 3:09 AM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] FW: FW: FYI: Microsoft: Internet Explorer 10 Is The
> Most Energy-Efficient Browser, Uses Up To 18% Less Power Than Chrome And
> Firefox
> 
> Hi Rocky --
> 
> Thank you for your comment: your son seems to be fan of Mozilla-browser
> clones/forks, optimized and free of parental control ( I mean Pale Moon )
> but AFAIU he is a young adult so the latter couldn't be considered as an
> issue there :)
> 
>>  Still trying to get his old man to switch from FF to Chrome.
> Go directly to IE10! :)
> 
> -- Shamil
> 
> Wednesday, June  5, 2013 5:51 PM -07:00 from "Rocky Smolin"
> <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>:
>> My son's response to the article.  But he's a fan of all things Google. 
>> :)
>>  
>> Still trying to get his old man to switch from FF to Chrome.
>>  
>> Rocky
>>  
>> 
>>   _____
>> 
>> From: Noah Sutton Smolin [mailto:noahsutsmo at gmail.com]
>> Sent: June 05, 2013 5:12 PM
>> To: Rocky Smolin
>> Subject: Re: FW: [dba-Tech] FYI: Microsoft: Internet Explorer 10 Is The 
>> Most Energy-Efficient Browser, Uses Up To 18% Less Power Than Chrome 
>> And Firefox
>> 
>> 
>> Ah, marketing teams, doing wonderful dimensional analysis on 
>> meaningless statistics.
>> 
>> 
>> Though if IE10 is faster, there may be minor advantages. Still, I don't 
>> have much of a problem with Pale Moon or Iceweasel, and they sync well, 
>> so I see no serious issue. Microsoft came into the browser speed battle 
>> a little too late.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 3:43 PM, Rocky Smolin < rockysmolin at bchacc.com >
> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From:  dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
>> Salakhetdinov Shamil
>> Sent: June 05, 2013 12:47 PM
>> To: Discussion of Hardware and Softw
>> Subject: [dba-Tech] FYI: Microsoft: Internet Explorer 10 Is The Most 
>> Energy-Efficient Browser, Uses Up To 18% Less Power Than Chrome And 
>> Firefox
>> 
>>  " If everybody switched from Chrome and Firefox to Internet Explorer 
>> 10 on Windows 8, we could save enough energy  to power 10,000 U.S. 
>> households , a new study ( PDF ) commissioned by Microsoft says..."
>> 
>> http://techcrunch.com/2013/06/05/microsoft-internet-explorer-10-is-the-
>> most- < 
>> http://techcrunch.com/2013/06/05/microsoft-internet-explorer-10-is-the-
>> most 
>> -%0Aenergy-efficient-browser-uses-up-to-18-less-power-than-chrome-and-f
>> irefo
>> x/>
>> energy-efficient-browser-uses-up-to-18-less-power-than-chrome-and-firef
>> ox/
>> 
>> :)
>> 
>> --
>> ???????????? ??????
>> _______________________________________________
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Thu Jun  6 12:56:23 2013
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2013 10:56:23 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] FW: FW: FYI: Microsoft: Internet Explorer 10 Is
	TheMost Energy-Efficient Browser,
	Uses Up To 18% Less Power Than Chrome And Firefox
In-Reply-To: <046A9EC9-FE67-4C80-B9CA-14930494B822@phulse.com>
References: <241AF37C44A04795BB3B59A5A33D136A@HAL9007><1370513348.763934195@f15.mail.ru><CB709DAE2E6D4AAEAFB0813849C25CFC@HAL9007>
	<046A9EC9-FE67-4C80-B9CA-14930494B822@phulse.com>
Message-ID: <0BF4F84C06A24600AFA76AA15D8B2F1B@HAL9007>

Finding a passion early in life is such a lucky break.  

I started programming when I was 16 - punched cards, 2nd gen IBM 7090 with
rotating magnetic drum.  University machine - no computers in high school
then. Thought I'd died and gone to heaven.   

R


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hans-Christian
Andersen
Sent: June 06, 2013 10:26 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] FW: FW: FYI: Microsoft: Internet Explorer 10 Is
TheMost Energy-Efficient Browser,Uses Up To 18% Less Power Than Chrome And
Firefox

Sounds like your son has a good head on his shoulders and is on the right
track and early at that as well.

- Hans


On 2013-06-06, at 6:09 AM, "Rocky Smolin" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:

> He's 16 and a self-described geek. Pretty fair programmer in his own 
> right - Java, C, LUA. Does the software for the robotics teams at 
> school and got himself a paid internship at General Atomics, which is 
> close to home, doing nuclear fusion research - all code - simulations.  
> And a real BIG Linux fan, as well.  Sounds like he's on the same track 
> as your boy.  (Popular saying
> here: the apple doesn't fall far from the tree.) But enough bragging.  
> 
> My only experience with IE10 wasn't good.  I have one client whose FE 
> and BE I maintain on their server.  Remote access was set up by their 
> network guy and the access did not work in FF.  So I used IE - IE9.  
> Then I got the upgrade to IE10 and found that 1) I the remote access 
> work didn't work in IE10, and 2) I couldn't go back to IE9 without 
> going back to a restore point.  Eventually I found the toolbar with 
> the Browser Mode selection so I run ie10 in IE9 mode which I can't 
> figure out how to set as a default so I have to select it every time I 
> run IE.  PITA.  But all the reviews I've read of IE10 have been real good.
Do you find any compatibility issues with IE10?
> Sites that don't work, etc.?
> 
> R
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Salakhetdinov Shamil
> Sent: June 06, 2013 3:09 AM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] FW: FW: FYI: Microsoft: Internet Explorer 10 
> Is The Most Energy-Efficient Browser, Uses Up To 18% Less Power Than 
> Chrome And Firefox
> 
> Hi Rocky --
> 
> Thank you for your comment: your son seems to be fan of 
> Mozilla-browser clones/forks, optimized and free of parental control ( 
> I mean Pale Moon ) but AFAIU he is a young adult so the latter 
> couldn't be considered as an issue there :)
> 
>>  Still trying to get his old man to switch from FF to Chrome.
> Go directly to IE10! :)
> 
> -- Shamil
> 
> Wednesday, June  5, 2013 5:51 PM -07:00 from "Rocky Smolin"
> <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>:
>> My son's response to the article.  But he's a fan of all things Google. 
>> :)
>>  
>> Still trying to get his old man to switch from FF to Chrome.
>>  
>> Rocky
>>  
>> 
>>   _____
>> 
>> From: Noah Sutton Smolin [mailto:noahsutsmo at gmail.com]
>> Sent: June 05, 2013 5:12 PM
>> To: Rocky Smolin
>> Subject: Re: FW: [dba-Tech] FYI: Microsoft: Internet Explorer 10 Is 
>> The Most Energy-Efficient Browser, Uses Up To 18% Less Power Than 
>> Chrome And Firefox
>> 
>> 
>> Ah, marketing teams, doing wonderful dimensional analysis on 
>> meaningless statistics.
>> 
>> 
>> Though if IE10 is faster, there may be minor advantages. Still, I 
>> don't have much of a problem with Pale Moon or Iceweasel, and they 
>> sync well, so I see no serious issue. Microsoft came into the browser 
>> speed battle a little too late.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 3:43 PM, Rocky Smolin < rockysmolin at bchacc.com 
>> >
> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From:  dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
>> Salakhetdinov Shamil
>> Sent: June 05, 2013 12:47 PM
>> To: Discussion of Hardware and Softw
>> Subject: [dba-Tech] FYI: Microsoft: Internet Explorer 10 Is The Most 
>> Energy-Efficient Browser, Uses Up To 18% Less Power Than Chrome And 
>> Firefox
>> 
>>  " If everybody switched from Chrome and Firefox to Internet Explorer 
>> 10 on Windows 8, we could save enough energy  to power 10,000 U.S.
>> households , a new study ( PDF ) commissioned by Microsoft says..."
>> 
>> http://techcrunch.com/2013/06/05/microsoft-internet-explorer-10-is-th
>> e-
>> most- <
>> http://techcrunch.com/2013/06/05/microsoft-internet-explorer-10-is-th
>> e-
>> most
>> -%0Aenergy-efficient-browser-uses-up-to-18-less-power-than-chrome-and
>> -f
>> irefo
>> x/>
>> energy-efficient-browser-uses-up-to-18-less-power-than-chrome-and-fir
>> ef
>> ox/
>> 
>> :)
>> 
>> --
>> ???????????? ??????
>> _______________________________________________
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>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
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>> 
>> 
>> 
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> 
> --
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Thu Jun  6 14:38:49 2013
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2013 15:38:49 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Retired at last
In-Reply-To: <5FBBF5EC467042188F1AB225A74A06D0@server2003>
References: <CAEPJO1hg9u9Ry7gnio4939-4YVZoj9HuSTF5P=h3H9ZUeJ-PNw@mail.gmail.com>
	<60BC3621175C435EBA8827BC47EF8FCF@server2003>
	<CAEPJO1htThGROiEhzgnthHGfEXy9FcSS+Cqe5PRAxpT2XdqK5w@mail.gmail.com>
	<5FBBF5EC467042188F1AB225A74A06D0@server2003>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1iseq0wQYD=Ddv1S4Qddq2ONGqyeNALt+c3520fFj_siA@mail.gmail.com>

I know Vancouver's Chinatown inisie out. I dtistingusih between the green
and the red doors. I know this neighborhood intimately.And I can also speak
basic Mandarin and Cantonese (not yet expert in either, but trying, and
also working on Hakka. That is very difficult. But that is all I have left
to do with my life.


On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 12:46 PM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> Hi Arthur:
>
> That should be aan adventure...look forward to it.
>
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
> Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2013 9:23 AM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Retired at last
>
> i WAS THER LAST YEAR AND PLAN TO VISIT AGAIN SOON. Sorry for the caps in
> the previous sentence. Will attempt to contact you prior to my arrival.
> Would love to meet you in the physical universe.
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 12:10 PM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
>
> > Hi Arthur:
> >
> > Good fortune in your new career.
> >
> > Before you can finish your book you will have to come to west coast and
> > visit "New" Hong Kong or/and even Victoria, which has the oldest Chinese
> > community, in Canada and I believe the first fully licenses Opium factory
> > on
> > the west coast. The BC government archives is also resides in Victoria.
> >
> > Jim
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur
> Fuller
> > Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2013 12:33 AM
> > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> > Subject: [dba-Tech] Retired at last
> >
> > I am formally declaring my retirement from this game of prrograming.. I
> can
> > no longer perform the moves that entitle one to make a living in this
> game.
> > Therefore I am returning to my original passion, writing screenplays. I
> > wrote 35 and sold one it got made, and most of that time I made my living
> > bartending, but then I discovered computers and programming and wrote
> some
> > books about the same, but now I'm done with this profession, and I my
> focus
> > is in the history of Chinese people in Canada. Of course it begins with
> the
> > immigrants invited to build our railroads for peanuts and then forbidden
> to
> > invite their wives (actually, they had to pay $500 immigration tax; if
> you
> > want to know how money that is is modern terms, Google can help you; just
> > type in "500 CDN dollars 1890" and you will see what a shocking value
> this
> > was.
> >
> > My research has also uncovered a copy of a splendid (I don't know another
> > word for it) poster from the election in Kamloops, BC, by the Liberal
> > party, warning of the Yellow Peril.
> >
> > This is why I have to stop writing software and doing something
> important.
> >
> > I'll still attend this salon but my mind is currently on bigger issues.
> >
> > --
> > Arthur
> > Cell: 647.710.1314
> >
> > Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
> >   -- Niels Bohr
> > _______________________________________________
> > dba-Tech mailing list
> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > dba-Tech mailing list
> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Arthur
> Cell: 647.710.1314
>
> Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
>   -- Niels Bohr
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
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>



-- 
Arthur
Cell: 647.710.1314

Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
  -- Niels Bohr

From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Jun  6 15:22:36 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2013 13:22:36 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Retired at last
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1iseq0wQYD=Ddv1S4Qddq2ONGqyeNALt+c3520fFj_siA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1hg9u9Ry7gnio4939-4YVZoj9HuSTF5P=h3H9ZUeJ-PNw@mail.gmail.com><60BC3621175C435EBA8827BC47EF8FCF@server2003><CAEPJO1htThGROiEhzgnthHGfEXy9FcSS+Cqe5PRAxpT2XdqK5w@mail.gmail.com><5FBBF5EC467042188F1AB225A74A06D0@server2003>
	<CAEPJO1iseq0wQYD=Ddv1S4Qddq2ONGqyeNALt+c3520fFj_siA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <835EEF72172B466498191475BDA31930@server2003>

Hi Arthur:

In other wards you are not retiring. ;-) 

Some state that real retirement is when you remain face-down in the carpet
or on the floor or boulevard, for an extended amount of time.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2013 12:39 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Retired at last

I know Vancouver's Chinatown inisie out. I dtistingusih between the green
and the red doors. I know this neighborhood intimately.And I can also speak
basic Mandarin and Cantonese (not yet expert in either, but trying, and
also working on Hakka. That is very difficult. But that is all I have left
to do with my life.


On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 12:46 PM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> Hi Arthur:
>
> That should be aan adventure...look forward to it.
>
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
> Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2013 9:23 AM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Retired at last
>
> i WAS THER LAST YEAR AND PLAN TO VISIT AGAIN SOON. Sorry for the caps in
> the previous sentence. Will attempt to contact you prior to my arrival.
> Would love to meet you in the physical universe.
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 12:10 PM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
>
> > Hi Arthur:
> >
> > Good fortune in your new career.
> >
> > Before you can finish your book you will have to come to west coast and
> > visit "New" Hong Kong or/and even Victoria, which has the oldest Chinese
> > community, in Canada and I believe the first fully licenses Opium
factory
> > on
> > the west coast. The BC government archives is also resides in Victoria.
> >
> > Jim
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur
> Fuller
> > Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2013 12:33 AM
> > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> > Subject: [dba-Tech] Retired at last
> >
> > I am formally declaring my retirement from this game of prrograming.. I
> can
> > no longer perform the moves that entitle one to make a living in this
> game.
> > Therefore I am returning to my original passion, writing screenplays. I
> > wrote 35 and sold one it got made, and most of that time I made my
living
> > bartending, but then I discovered computers and programming and wrote
> some
> > books about the same, but now I'm done with this profession, and I my
> focus
> > is in the history of Chinese people in Canada. Of course it begins with
> the
> > immigrants invited to build our railroads for peanuts and then forbidden
> to
> > invite their wives (actually, they had to pay $500 immigration tax; if
> you
> > want to know how money that is is modern terms, Google can help you;
just
> > type in "500 CDN dollars 1890" and you will see what a shocking value
> this
> > was.
> >
> > My research has also uncovered a copy of a splendid (I don't know
another
> > word for it) poster from the election in Kamloops, BC, by the Liberal
> > party, warning of the Yellow Peril.
> >
> > This is why I have to stop writing software and doing something
> important.
> >
> > I'll still attend this salon but my mind is currently on bigger issues.
> >
> > --
> > Arthur
> > Cell: 647.710.1314
> >
> > Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
> >   -- Niels Bohr
> > _______________________________________________
> > dba-Tech mailing list
> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > dba-Tech mailing list
> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Arthur
> Cell: 647.710.1314
>
> Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
>   -- Niels Bohr
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
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> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
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>



-- 
Arthur
Cell: 647.710.1314

Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
  -- Niels Bohr
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From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Fri Jun  7 04:55:33 2013
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Fri, 07 Jun 2013 13:55:33 +0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?AngularJS=3A_Write_less_code=2C_go_have_beer?=
 =?utf-8?q?_sooner_-_anybody=3F?=
Message-ID: <1370598933.989702291@f3.mail.ru>

 Hi All --

AngularJS - angularjs.org - It looks interesting. Any opinions, real life projects' successful use cases?

Thank you.

-- 
???????????? ??????

From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Fri Jun  7 06:03:13 2013
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Fri, 07 Jun 2013 15:03:13 +0400
Subject: [dba-Tech]
 =?utf-8?q?FW=3A_FW=3A_FYI=3A_Microsoft=3A_Internet_Exp?=
 =?utf-8?q?lorer_10_Is_The_Most_Energy-Efficient_Browser=2C_Uses_Up_To_18?=
 =?utf-8?q?=25_Less_Power_Than_Chrome_And_Firefox?=
In-Reply-To: <CB709DAE2E6D4AAEAFB0813849C25CFC@HAL9007>
References: <241AF37C44A04795BB3B59A5A33D136A@HAL9007>
	<1370513348.763934195@f15.mail.ru>
	<CB709DAE2E6D4AAEAFB0813849C25CFC@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <1370602993.534753984@f397.i.mail.ru>

 Hi Rocky --

Yes, Robotics, mobiles and "cloud" promise to be the main driving forces for nowadays "IT-revolution" - your son is on right track! ...

I must note I do not make that much web sites development to be concerned about IE10 compatibility issues.

-- Shamil

Thursday, June  6, 2013 6:09 AM -07:00 from "Rocky Smolin" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>:
>He's 16 and a self-described geek. Pretty fair programmer in his own right -
>Java, C, LUA. Does the software for the robotics teams at school and got
>himself a paid internship at General Atomics, which is close to home, doing
>nuclear fusion research - all code - simulations.  And a real BIG Linux fan,
>as well.  Sounds like he's on the same track as your boy.  (Popular saying
>here: the apple doesn't fall far from the tree.) But enough bragging. 
>
>My only experience with IE10 wasn't good.  I have one client whose FE and BE
>I maintain on their server.  Remote access was set up by their network guy
>and the access did not work in FF.  So I used IE - IE9.  Then I got the
>upgrade to IE10 and found that 1) I the remote access work didn't work in
>IE10, and 2) I couldn't go back to IE9 without going back to a restore
>point.  Eventually I found the toolbar with the Browser Mode selection so I
>run ie10 in IE9 mode which I can't figure out how to set as a default so I
>have to select it every time I run IE.  PITA.  But all the reviews I've read
>of IE10 have been real good. Do you find any compatibility issues with IE10?
>Sites that don't work, etc.?
>
>R
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From:  dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov
>Shamil
>Sent: June 06, 2013 3:09 AM
>To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] FW: FW: FYI: Microsoft: Internet Explorer 10 Is The
>Most Energy-Efficient Browser, Uses Up To 18% Less Power Than Chrome And
>Firefox
>
>?Hi Rocky --
>
>Thank you for your comment: your son seems to be fan of Mozilla-browser
>clones/forks, optimized and free of parental control ( I mean Pale Moon )
>but AFAIU he is a young adult so the latter couldn't be considered as an
>issue there :)
>
>>?Still trying to get his old man to switch from FF to Chrome.
>Go directly to IE10! :)
>
>-- Shamil
<<< skipped >>>

From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Jun  7 13:49:24 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2013 11:49:24 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] AngularJS: Write less code,
	go have beer sooner - anybody?
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Hi Shamil:

I have not worked with AngularJS but the particular problem that is resolved
in the YouTube video looks impressive. 

That said; there is so much more capabilities to both JQuery and AngularJS
that it would be logical to have bot libraries available. The next question
is will they both work together within the same environment. 

As they both use the same base code, both monitor events, both use JSON,
AJAX and store many variables to extend their capabilities, will they clash?
If they do clash how difficult is it to work around issues? Will loading
both libraries dramatically reduce performance in start up or changing
pages?

I am not sure how large the base of extended code samples that AngularJS
has...how large of a background support through forums and developers, if
there are bugs and serious issues. OTOH we know that there is a massive set
of JQuery code samples and an extended community build around the product
JQ.

OTOH, it might be worth seeing just how far a small web site project can go
with just using AJS.

Jim
  
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 Hi All --

AngularJS - angularjs.org - It looks interesting. Any opinions, real life
projects' successful use cases?

Thank you.

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From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Fri Jun  7 14:43:23 2013
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 Hi Jim --

AFAIU AngularJS isn't dependent on jQuery - AngularJS uses plain JavaScript.
And AngularJS doesn't use event listeners.
I suppose AngularJS can be used together with jQuery if needed and they shouldn't clash as AngularJS doesn't use any global context variables - AngularJS is a "different story" - see:

http://blog.appfog.com/angularjs-the-beauty-of-concision/

https://github.com/angular/angular.js/wiki/Projects-using-AngularJS

http://www.codeproject.com/Articles/576246/A-Shopping-Cart-Application-Built-with-

http://www.nebithi.com/2012/12/27/backbone-and-angular-demystifying-the-myths/

-- Shamil


Friday, June  7, 2013 11:49 AM -07:00 from "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca>:
>Hi Shamil:
>
>I have not worked with AngularJS but the particular problem that is resolved
>in the YouTube video looks impressive. 
>
>That said; there is so much more capabilities to both JQuery and AngularJS
>that it would be logical to have bot libraries available. The next question
>is will they both work together within the same environment. 
>
>As they both use the same base code, both monitor events, both use JSON,
>AJAX and store many variables to extend their capabilities, will they clash?
>If they do clash how difficult is it to work around issues? Will loading
>both libraries dramatically reduce performance in start up or changing
>pages?
>
>I am not sure how large the base of extended code samples that AngularJS
>has...how large of a background support through forums and developers, if
>there are bugs and serious issues. OTOH we know that there is a massive set
>of JQuery code samples and an extended community build around the product
>JQ.
>
>OTOH, it might be worth seeing just how far a small web site project can go
>with just using AJS.
>
>Jim
>??
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>[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov
>Shamil
>Sent: Friday, June 07, 2013 2:56 AM
>To: Discussion of Hardware and Softw
>Subject: [dba-Tech] AngularJS: Write less code, go have beer sooner -
>anybody?
>
>?Hi All --
>
>AngularJS - angularjs.org - It looks interesting. Any opinions, real life
>projects' successful use cases?
>
>Thank you.
>
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From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Fri Jun  7 15:26:06 2013
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2013 13:26:06 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] AngularJS: Write less code,
	go have beer sooner - anybody?
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If suggest taking a look at http://marionettejs.com/ or http://kmalakoff.github.io/knockback/ .

Both are based on Backbone.js and throw in some of the most popular tools, such as underscore.js and jquery etc.

Plus, they are event driven, so you can make proper JavaScript applications the right way.

You could also just use backbone.js, but both of these add nice additional features on top of backbone to make writing less but better code.

Backbone is turning out to be the popular JavaScript framework, just as jquery became the defacto JavaScript library.

- Hans


On 2013-06-07, at 12:43 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil <mcp2004 at mail.ru> wrote:

> Hi Jim --
> 
> AFAIU AngularJS isn't dependent on jQuery - AngularJS uses plain JavaScript.
> And AngularJS doesn't use event listeners.
> I suppose AngularJS can be used together with jQuery if needed and they shouldn't clash as AngularJS doesn't use any global context variables - AngularJS is a "different story" - see:
> 
> http://blog.appfog.com/angularjs-the-beauty-of-concision/
> 
> https://github.com/angular/angular.js/wiki/Projects-using-AngularJS
> 
> http://www.codeproject.com/Articles/576246/A-Shopping-Cart-Application-Built-with-
> 
> http://www.nebithi.com/2012/12/27/backbone-and-angular-demystifying-the-myths/
> 
> -- Shamil
> 
> 
> Friday, June  7, 2013 11:49 AM -07:00 from "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca>:
>> Hi Shamil:
>> 
>> I have not worked with AngularJS but the particular problem that is resolved
>> in the YouTube video looks impressive. 
>> 
>> That said; there is so much more capabilities to both JQuery and AngularJS
>> that it would be logical to have bot libraries available. The next question
>> is will they both work together within the same environment. 
>> 
>> As they both use the same base code, both monitor events, both use JSON,
>> AJAX and store many variables to extend their capabilities, will they clash?
>> If they do clash how difficult is it to work around issues? Will loading
>> both libraries dramatically reduce performance in start up or changing
>> pages?
>> 
>> I am not sure how large the base of extended code samples that AngularJS
>> has...how large of a background support through forums and developers, if
>> there are bugs and serious issues. OTOH we know that there is a massive set
>> of JQuery code samples and an extended community build around the product
>> JQ.
>> 
>> OTOH, it might be worth seeing just how far a small web site project can go
>> with just using AJS.
>> 
>> Jim
>>   
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From:  dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov
>> Shamil
>> Sent: Friday, June 07, 2013 2:56 AM
>> To: Discussion of Hardware and Softw
>> Subject: [dba-Tech] AngularJS: Write less code, go have beer sooner -
>> anybody?
>> 
>>  Hi All --
>> 
>> AngularJS - angularjs.org - It looks interesting. Any opinions, real life
>> projects' successful use cases?
>> 
>> Thank you.
>> 
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From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Fri Jun  7 17:06:38 2013
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Sat, 08 Jun 2013 02:06:38 +0400
Subject: [dba-Tech]
 =?utf-8?q?AngularJS=3A_Write_less_code=2C_go_have_beer?=
 =?utf-8?q?_sooner_-_anybody=3F?=
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 Hi Hans --

Did you read:?? http://www.nebithi.com/2012/12/27/backbone-and-angular-demystifying-the-myths/ ??

>?Plus, they are event driven, so you can make proper
> JavaScript applications the right way.
See above.

See also:
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/9682092/databinding-in-angularjs#answer-9693933


-- Shamil

Friday, June  7, 2013 1:26 PM -07:00 from Hans-Christian Andersen <hans.andersen at phulse.com>:
>If suggest taking a look at  http://marionettejs.com/ or  http://kmalakoff.github.io/knockback/ .
>
>Both are based on Backbone.js and throw in some of the most popular tools, such as underscore.js and jquery etc.
>
>Plus, they are event driven, so you can make proper JavaScript applications the right way.
>
>You could also just use backbone.js, but both of these add nice additional features on top of backbone to make writing less but better code.
>
>Backbone is turning out to be the popular JavaScript framework, just as jquery became the defacto JavaScript library.
>
>- Hans
>
>
>On 2013-06-07, at 12:43 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil < mcp2004 at mail.ru > wrote:
>
>> Hi Jim --
>> 
>> AFAIU AngularJS isn't dependent on jQuery - AngularJS uses plain JavaScript.
>> And AngularJS doesn't use event listeners.
>> I suppose AngularJS can be used together with jQuery if needed and they shouldn't clash as AngularJS doesn't use any global context variables - AngularJS is a "different story" - see:
>> 
>>  http://blog.appfog.com/angularjs-the-beauty-of-concision/
>> 
>>  https://github.com/angular/angular.js/wiki/Projects-using-AngularJS
>> 
>>  http://www.codeproject.com/Articles/576246/A-Shopping-Cart-Application-Built-with-
>> 
>>  http://www.nebithi.com/2012/12/27/backbone-and-angular-demystifying-the-myths/
>> 
>> -- Shamil
>> 
>> 
>> Friday, June  7, 2013 11:49 AM -07:00 from "Jim Lawrence" < accessd at shaw.ca >:
>>> Hi Shamil:
>>> 
>>> I have not worked with AngularJS but the particular problem that is resolved
>>> in the YouTube video looks impressive. 
>>> 
>>> That said; there is so much more capabilities to both JQuery and AngularJS
>>> that it would be logical to have bot libraries available. The next question
>>> is will they both work together within the same environment. 
>>> 
>>> As they both use the same base code, both monitor events, both use JSON,
>>> AJAX and store many variables to extend their capabilities, will they clash?
>>> If they do clash how difficult is it to work around issues? Will loading
>>> both libraries dramatically reduce performance in start up or changing
>>> pages?
>>> 
>>> I am not sure how large the base of extended code samples that AngularJS
>>> has...how large of a background support through forums and developers, if
>>> there are bugs and serious issues. OTOH we know that there is a massive set
>>> of JQuery code samples and an extended community build around the product
>>> JQ.
>>> 
>>> OTOH, it might be worth seeing just how far a small web site project can go
>>> with just using AJS.
>>> 
>>> Jim
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From:  dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov
>>> Shamil
>>> Sent: Friday, June 07, 2013 2:56 AM
>>> To: Discussion of Hardware and Softw
>>> Subject: [dba-Tech] AngularJS: Write less code, go have beer sooner -
>>> anybody?
>>> 
>>>  Hi All --
>>> 
>>> AngularJS - angularjs.org - It looks interesting. Any opinions, real life
>>> projects' successful use cases?
>>> 
>>> Thank you.
>>> 
>>> -- 
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From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Fri Jun  7 17:30:36 2013
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Sat, 08 Jun 2013 02:30:36 +0400
Subject: [dba-Tech]
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 see also: ? http://net.tutsplus.com/tutorials/javascript-ajax/3-reasons-to-choose-angularjs-for-your-next-project/


Saturday, June  8, 2013 2:06 AM +04:00 from Salakhetdinov Shamil <mcp2004 at mail.ru>:
>Hi Hans --
>
>Did you read:??  http://www.nebithi.com/2012/12/27/backbone-and-angular-demystifying-the-myths/ ??
>
>>?Plus, they are event driven, so you can make proper
>> JavaScript applications the right way.
>See above.
>
>See also:
>http://stackoverflow.com/questions/9682092/databinding-in-angularjs#answer-9693933
>
>
>-- Shamil
>
>Friday, June  7, 2013 1:26 PM -07:00 from Hans-Christian Andersen < hans.andersen at phulse.com >:
>>If suggest taking a look at  http://marionettejs.com/ or  http://kmalakoff.github.io/knockback/ .
>>
>>Both are based on Backbone.js and throw in some of the most popular tools, such as underscore.js and jquery etc.
>>
>>Plus, they are event driven, so you can make proper JavaScript applications the right way.
>>
>>You could also just use backbone.js, but both of these add nice additional features on top of backbone to make writing less but better code.
>>
>>Backbone is turning out to be the popular JavaScript framework, just as jquery became the defacto JavaScript library.
>>
>>- Hans
>>
>>
>>On 2013-06-07, at 12:43 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil <  mcp2004 at mail.ru > wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Jim --
>>> 
>>> AFAIU AngularJS isn't dependent on jQuery - AngularJS uses plain JavaScript.
>>> And AngularJS doesn't use event listeners.
>>> I suppose AngularJS can be used together with jQuery if needed and they shouldn't clash as AngularJS doesn't use any global context variables - AngularJS is a "different story" - see:
>>> 
>>>  http://blog.appfog.com/angularjs-the-beauty-of-concision/
>>> 
>>>  https://github.com/angular/angular.js/wiki/Projects-using-AngularJS
>>> 
>>>  http://www.codeproject.com/Articles/576246/A-Shopping-Cart-Application-Built-with-
>>> 
>>>  http://www.nebithi.com/2012/12/27/backbone-and-angular-demystifying-the-myths/
>>> 
>>> -- Shamil
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Friday, June  7, 2013 11:49 AM -07:00 from "Jim Lawrence" <  accessd at shaw.ca >:
>>>> Hi Shamil:
>>>> 
>>>> I have not worked with AngularJS but the particular problem that is resolved
>>>> in the YouTube video looks impressive. 
>>>> 
>>>> That said; there is so much more capabilities to both JQuery and AngularJS
>>>> that it would be logical to have bot libraries available. The next question
>>>> is will they both work together within the same environment. 
>>>> 
>>>> As they both use the same base code, both monitor events, both use JSON,
>>>> AJAX and store many variables to extend their capabilities, will they clash?
>>>> If they do clash how difficult is it to work around issues? Will loading
>>>> both libraries dramatically reduce performance in start up or changing
>>>> pages?
>>>> 
>>>> I am not sure how large the base of extended code samples that AngularJS
>>>> has...how large of a background support through forums and developers, if
>>>> there are bugs and serious issues. OTOH we know that there is a massive set
>>>> of JQuery code samples and an extended community build around the product
>>>> JQ.
>>>> 
>>>> OTOH, it might be worth seeing just how far a small web site project can go
>>>> with just using AJS.
>>>> 
>>>> Jim
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From:  dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov
>>>> Shamil
>>>> Sent: Friday, June 07, 2013 2:56 AM
>>>> To: Discussion of Hardware and Softw
>>>> Subject: [dba-Tech] AngularJS: Write less code, go have beer sooner -
>>>> anybody?
>>>> 
>>>>  Hi All --
>>>> 
>>>> AngularJS - angularjs.org - It looks interesting. Any opinions, real life
>>>> projects' successful use cases?
>>>> 
>>>> Thank you.
>>>> 
>>>> -- 
>>>> ???????????? ??????
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Jun  7 21:13:26 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2013 19:13:26 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] AngularJS: Write less code,
	go have beer sooner - anybody?
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Hi Shamil:

No question about it. 

AngularJS seems to have more features and requires less work to use them.
BackboneJS was written by the same developer as CoffeeScript and therefore
has a ready made supporter base. But it does seems that BackboneJS is an
older product, by design, than AngularJS. 

My original concerns that AJS would not play well with JQuery seems to be
answered in a statement made in the article you supplied the link to. So no
loss of pre-built code.
 
The only thing I do have against AJS is that it was originally written by
Google (they have had a bad reputation for dropping non profitable products
on a whim) but now that AJS has an Open source GL license, its long term
survival and growth seems assured.  

One other question to be reviewed, without further investigation, would be
how does AngularJS handles complex input fields? 

(Sure wish I has something more than just raw JS and old HTML when I worked
on an in-house application(s), for a company, many years ago. Now there are
so many great tools, editors and a standard built-in core of features in the
base JavaScript. It is now hard just to decide which are the best products
to follow.)
 
Jim

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From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov
Shamil
Sent: Friday, June 07, 2013 3:07 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] AngularJS: Write less code, go have beer sooner -
anybody?

 Hi Hans --

Did you read:??
http://www.nebithi.com/2012/12/27/backbone-and-angular-demystifying-the-myth
s/ ??

>?Plus, they are event driven, so you can make proper
> JavaScript applications the right way.
See above.

See also:
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/9682092/databinding-in-angularjs#answer-9
693933


-- Shamil

Friday, June  7, 2013 1:26 PM -07:00 from Hans-Christian Andersen
<hans.andersen at phulse.com>:
>If suggest taking a look at  http://marionettejs.com/ or
http://kmalakoff.github.io/knockback/ .
>
>Both are based on Backbone.js and throw in some of the most popular tools,
such as underscore.js and jquery etc.
>
>Plus, they are event driven, so you can make proper JavaScript applications
the right way.
>
>You could also just use backbone.js, but both of these add nice additional
features on top of backbone to make writing less but better code.
>
>Backbone is turning out to be the popular JavaScript framework, just as
jquery became the defacto JavaScript library.
>
>- Hans
>
>
>On 2013-06-07, at 12:43 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil < mcp2004 at mail.ru > wrote:
>
>> Hi Jim --
>> 
>> AFAIU AngularJS isn't dependent on jQuery - AngularJS uses plain
JavaScript.
>> And AngularJS doesn't use event listeners.
>> I suppose AngularJS can be used together with jQuery if needed and they
shouldn't clash as AngularJS doesn't use any global context variables -
AngularJS is a "different story" - see:
>> 
>>  http://blog.appfog.com/angularjs-the-beauty-of-concision/
>> 
>>  https://github.com/angular/angular.js/wiki/Projects-using-AngularJS
>> 
>>
http://www.codeproject.com/Articles/576246/A-Shopping-Cart-Application-Built
-with-
>> 
>>
http://www.nebithi.com/2012/12/27/backbone-and-angular-demystifying-the-myth
s/
>> 
>> -- Shamil
>> 
>> 
>> Friday, June  7, 2013 11:49 AM -07:00 from "Jim Lawrence" <
accessd at shaw.ca >:
>>> Hi Shamil:
>>> 
>>> I have not worked with AngularJS but the particular problem that is
resolved
>>> in the YouTube video looks impressive. 
>>> 
>>> That said; there is so much more capabilities to both JQuery and
AngularJS
>>> that it would be logical to have bot libraries available. The next
question
>>> is will they both work together within the same environment. 
>>> 
>>> As they both use the same base code, both monitor events, both use JSON,
>>> AJAX and store many variables to extend their capabilities, will they
clash?
>>> If they do clash how difficult is it to work around issues? Will loading
>>> both libraries dramatically reduce performance in start up or changing
>>> pages?
>>> 
>>> I am not sure how large the base of extended code samples that AngularJS
>>> has...how large of a background support through forums and developers,
if
>>> there are bugs and serious issues. OTOH we know that there is a massive
set
>>> of JQuery code samples and an extended community build around the
product
>>> JQ.
>>> 
>>> OTOH, it might be worth seeing just how far a small web site project can
go
>>> with just using AJS.
>>> 
>>> Jim
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From:  dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Salakhetdinov
>>> Shamil
>>> Sent: Friday, June 07, 2013 2:56 AM
>>> To: Discussion of Hardware and Softw
>>> Subject: [dba-Tech] AngularJS: Write less code, go have beer sooner -
>>> anybody?
>>> 
>>>  Hi All --
>>> 
>>> AngularJS - angularjs.org - It looks interesting. Any opinions, real
life
>>> projects' successful use cases?
>>> 
>>> Thank you.
>>> 
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From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Sat Jun  8 05:09:25 2013
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Sat, 08 Jun 2013 14:09:25 +0400
Subject: [dba-Tech]
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 =?utf-8?q?_sooner_-_anybody=3F?=
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 Hi Jim --

>? It is now hard just to decide which 
> are the best products? to follow.
Yes. And my current decision is to try go learning AngularJS...

-- Shamil

Friday, June  7, 2013 7:13 PM -07:00 from "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca>:
>Hi Shamil:
>
>No question about it. 
>
>AngularJS seems to have more features and requires less work to use them.
>BackboneJS was written by the same developer as CoffeeScript and therefore
>has a ready made supporter base. But it does seems that BackboneJS is an
>older product, by design, than AngularJS. 
>
>My original concerns that AJS would not play well with JQuery seems to be
>answered in a statement made in the article you supplied the link to. So no
>loss of pre-built code.
>
>The only thing I do have against AJS is that it was originally written by
>Google (they have had a bad reputation for dropping non profitable products
>on a whim) but now that AJS has an Open source GL license, its long term
>survival and growth seems assured. 
>
>One other question to be reviewed, without further investigation, would be
>how does AngularJS handles complex input fields? 
>
>(Sure wish I has something more than just raw JS and old HTML when I worked
>on an in-house application(s), for a company, many years ago. Now there are
>so many great tools, editors and a standard built-in core of features in the
>base JavaScript. It is now hard just to decide which are the best products
>to follow.)
>
>Jim
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From:  dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov
>Shamil
>Sent: Friday, June 07, 2013 3:07 PM
>To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] AngularJS: Write less code, go have beer sooner -
>anybody?
>
>?Hi Hans --
>
>Did you read:??
>http://www.nebithi.com/2012/12/27/backbone-and-angular-demystifying-the-myth
>s/ ??
>
>>?Plus, they are event driven, so you can make proper
>> JavaScript applications the right way.
>See above.
>
>See also:
>http://stackoverflow.com/questions/9682092/databinding-in-angularjs#answer-9
>693933
>
>
>-- Shamil

<<< skipped >>>

From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Sat Jun  8 05:23:22 2013
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2013 03:23:22 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] AngularJS: Write less code,
	go have beer sooner - anybody?
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Cool. Of course, you can't really get a true sense of things just by reading someone's blog post.

I'm not really going to bother debating where that author went wrong (which he did in some places) or not anyways. I thought this was simply a "I'll show you my technology and you show me yours" sort of emails (and I'm currently working on a Backbone application, so I have direct experience) and not some sort of framework/library competition.

Have fun with Angular. You should, however, seriously consider playing with some of the others (the ones I suggested plus EmberJS, CanJS, etc) before getting too comfortable with just Angular.

- Hans


On 2013-06-07, at 3:06 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil <mcp2004 at mail.ru> wrote:

> Hi Hans --
> 
> Did you read:   http://www.nebithi.com/2012/12/27/backbone-and-angular-demystifying-the-myths/  ?
> 
>>  Plus, they are event driven, so you can make proper
>> JavaScript applications the right way.
> See above.
> 
> See also:
> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/9682092/databinding-in-angularjs#answer-9693933
> 
> 
> -- Shamil
> 
> Friday, June  7, 2013 1:26 PM -07:00 from Hans-Christian Andersen <hans.andersen at phulse.com>:
>> If suggest taking a look at  http://marionettejs.com/ or  http://kmalakoff.github.io/knockback/ .
>> 
>> Both are based on Backbone.js and throw in some of the most popular tools, such as underscore.js and jquery etc.
>> 
>> Plus, they are event driven, so you can make proper JavaScript applications the right way.
>> 
>> You could also just use backbone.js, but both of these add nice additional features on top of backbone to make writing less but better code.
>> 
>> Backbone is turning out to be the popular JavaScript framework, just as jquery became the defacto JavaScript library.
>> 
>> - Hans
>> 
>> 
>> On 2013-06-07, at 12:43 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil < mcp2004 at mail.ru > wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Jim --
>>> 
>>> AFAIU AngularJS isn't dependent on jQuery - AngularJS uses plain JavaScript.
>>> And AngularJS doesn't use event listeners.
>>> I suppose AngularJS can be used together with jQuery if needed and they shouldn't clash as AngularJS doesn't use any global context variables - AngularJS is a "different story" - see:
>>> 
>>> http://blog.appfog.com/angularjs-the-beauty-of-concision/
>>> 
>>> https://github.com/angular/angular.js/wiki/Projects-using-AngularJS
>>> 
>>> http://www.codeproject.com/Articles/576246/A-Shopping-Cart-Application-Built-with-
>>> 
>>> http://www.nebithi.com/2012/12/27/backbone-and-angular-demystifying-the-myths/
>>> 
>>> -- Shamil
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Friday, June  7, 2013 11:49 AM -07:00 from "Jim Lawrence" < accessd at shaw.ca >:
>>>> Hi Shamil:
>>>> 
>>>> I have not worked with AngularJS but the particular problem that is resolved
>>>> in the YouTube video looks impressive. 
>>>> 
>>>> That said; there is so much more capabilities to both JQuery and AngularJS
>>>> that it would be logical to have bot libraries available. The next question
>>>> is will they both work together within the same environment. 
>>>> 
>>>> As they both use the same base code, both monitor events, both use JSON,
>>>> AJAX and store many variables to extend their capabilities, will they clash?
>>>> If they do clash how difficult is it to work around issues? Will loading
>>>> both libraries dramatically reduce performance in start up or changing
>>>> pages?
>>>> 
>>>> I am not sure how large the base of extended code samples that AngularJS
>>>> has...how large of a background support through forums and developers, if
>>>> there are bugs and serious issues. OTOH we know that there is a massive set
>>>> of JQuery code samples and an extended community build around the product
>>>> JQ.
>>>> 
>>>> OTOH, it might be worth seeing just how far a small web site project can go
>>>> with just using AJS.
>>>> 
>>>> Jim
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From:  dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov
>>>> Shamil
>>>> Sent: Friday, June 07, 2013 2:56 AM
>>>> To: Discussion of Hardware and Softw
>>>> Subject: [dba-Tech] AngularJS: Write less code, go have beer sooner -
>>>> anybody?
>>>> 
>>>> Hi All --
>>>> 
>>>> AngularJS - angularjs.org - It looks interesting. Any opinions, real life
>>>> projects' successful use cases?
>>>> 
>>>> Thank you.
>>>> 
>>>> -- 
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From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Sat Jun  8 05:49:01 2013
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Sat, 08 Jun 2013 14:49:01 +0400
Subject: [dba-Tech]
 =?utf-8?q?AngularJS=3A_Write_less_code=2C_go_have_beer?=
 =?utf-8?q?_sooner_-_anybody=3F?=
In-Reply-To: <5015124E-D3E8-40F3-B6CE-648DE2EE86AE@phulse.com>
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 Hi Hans --

Thank you, I have already noticed emberJS but I didn't know about canJS (I have just checked it - it looks good) (and many others I expect)...

As Jim have noted in this thread:?

>? It is now hard just to decide which?
> are the best products? to follow.

and so to not get stuck in "framework selection paralysis" it's time to make a decision - and I'd go with AngularJS - it looks the most natural for my development habits.?

<<<
Of course, you can't really get a true sense of things just by reading someone's blog post.
>>>
Yes,but ?I have read several opinions on AngularJS - they all were mostly positive and realistic. Yes, I realize they can be somehow biased. Anyway - I'm choosing angularJS.

Thank you.

- Shamil


Saturday, June  8, 2013 3:23 AM -07:00 from Hans-Christian Andersen <hans.andersen at phulse.com>:
>
>Cool. Of course, you can't really get a true sense of things just by reading someone's blog post.
>
>I'm not really going to bother debating where that author went wrong (which he did in some places) or not anyways. I thought this was simply a "I'll show you my technology and you show me yours" sort of emails (and I'm currently working on a Backbone application, so I have direct experience) and not some sort of framework/library competition.
>
>Have fun with Angular. You should, however, seriously consider playing with some of the others (the ones I suggested plus EmberJS, CanJS, etc) before getting too comfortable with just Angular.
>
>- Hans
>
>
>On 2013-06-07, at 3:06 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil < mcp2004 at mail.ru > wrote:
>
>> Hi Hans --
>> 
>> Did you read:  http://www.nebithi.com/2012/12/27/backbone-and-angular-demystifying-the-myths/ ?
>> 
>>>  Plus, they are event driven, so you can make proper
>>> JavaScript applications the right way.
>> See above.
>> 
>> See also:
>>  http://stackoverflow.com/questions/9682092/databinding-in-angularjs#answer-9693933
>> 
>> 
>> -- Shamil
>> 
>> Friday, June  7, 2013 1:26 PM -07:00 from Hans-Christian Andersen < hans.andersen at phulse.com >:
>>> If suggest taking a look at  http://marionettejs.com/ or  http://kmalakoff.github.io/knockback/ .
>>> 
>>> Both are based on Backbone.js and throw in some of the most popular tools, such as underscore.js and jquery etc.
>>> 
>>> Plus, they are event driven, so you can make proper JavaScript applications the right way.
>>> 
>>> You could also just use backbone.js, but both of these add nice additional features on top of backbone to make writing less but better code.
>>> 
>>> Backbone is turning out to be the popular JavaScript framework, just as jquery became the defacto JavaScript library.
>>> 
>>> - Hans
>>> 
>>>?
<<< skipped >>>
>

From Gustav at cactus.dk  Sat Jun  8 06:04:20 2013
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sat, 08 Jun 2013 13:04:20 +0200
Subject: [dba-Tech] AngularJS: Write less code,
	go have beer sooner	- anybody?
Message-ID: <s1b32bf9.016@cactus.dk>

Hi Shamil

I have probably missed somthing here. 
Aside from having more time for a beer, why and for what tasks/projects would this AngularJS be the magic bullet, please?

/gustav

>>> mcp2004 at mail.ru 08-06-13 12:49 >>>
 Hi Hans --

Thank you, I have already noticed emberJS but I didn't know about canJS (I have just checked it - it looks good) (and many others I expect)...

As Jim have noted in this thread:*

>* It is now hard just to decide which*
> are the best products* to follow.

and so to not get stuck in "framework selection paralysis" it's time to make a decision - and I'd go with AngularJS - it looks the most natural for my development habits.*

<<<
Of course, you can't really get a true sense of things just by reading someone's blog post.
>>>
Yes,but *I have read several opinions on AngularJS - they all were mostly positive and realistic. Yes, I realize they can be somehow biased. Anyway - I'm choosing angularJS.

Thank you.

- Shamil


From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Sat Jun  8 11:50:51 2013
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Sat, 08 Jun 2013 20:50:51 +0400
Subject: [dba-Tech]
 =?utf-8?q?AngularJS=3A_Write_less_code=2C_go_have_beer?=
 =?utf-8?q?_sooner=09-_anybody=3F?=
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 Hi Gustav --

I'm not looking for any "magic/silver bullets" here but for a lightweight JS framework to develop web apps, any kind of modern web apps - and angularJS seems to be a good fit I'm getting comfortable with from the very beginning. 

BTW, angularJS seems to have borrowed some ideas from ?ATL Server ? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATL_Server ?- double curly brackets for templates' placeholders at least ?:) - and I'm using double curly brackets in all kinds of my custom development templates for a long time...

-- Shamil


Saturday, June  8, 2013 1:04 PM +02:00 from "Gustav Brock" <Gustav at cactus.dk>:
>Hi Shamil
>
>I have probably missed somthing here. 
>Aside from having more time for a beer, why and for what tasks/projects would this AngularJS be the magic bullet, please?
>
>/gustav
>
>>>>  mcp2004 at mail.ru 08-06-13 12:49 >>>
>?Hi Hans --
>
>Thank you, I have already noticed emberJS but I didn't know about canJS (I have just checked it - it looks good) (and many others I expect)...
>
>As Jim have noted in this thread:*
>
>>* It is now hard just to decide which*
>> are the best products* to follow.
>
>and so to not get stuck in "framework selection paralysis" it's time to make a decision - and I'd go with AngularJS - it looks the most natural for my development habits.*
>
><<<
>Of course, you can't really get a true sense of things just by reading someone's blog post.
>>>>
>Yes,but *I have read several opinions on AngularJS - they all were mostly positive and realistic. Yes, I realize they can be somehow biased. Anyway - I'm choosing angularJS.
>
>Thank you.
>
>- Shamil
>
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From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Sat Jun  8 13:52:22 2013
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Sat, 08 Jun 2013 22:52:22 +0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?Learning_and_running_AngularJS_tutorials_wit?=
 =?utf-8?q?hin_VS2012?=
Message-ID: <1370717542.869691170@f66.mail.ru>

 Hi All --

Not sure if subject is a generally available in one place/ready to use info - so I'm trying to compile it from several sources and to post it here:

Context: Given AngularJS tutorial -? http://docs.angularjs.org/tutorial ?

Quiz: How one can work through this tutorial (including running its JavaScript - Jasmine - unit tests) ?from within Visual Studio 2012?

Solution:

1. ?Get and setup - "Chutzpah Test Adapter for Visual Studio 2012"

http://visualstudiogallery.msdn.microsoft.com/f8741f04-bae4-4900-81c7-7c9bfb9ed1fe 2. Start VS 2012 and create an empty web project.

3. Put tutorial's entry html with AngularJS directives into default.html

4 . Put JavaScript code from tutorial into source file(s) in /js sub-folder

5. Put JavaScript code from tutorial with jasmine unit tests into source file(s) in /tests/unit sub-folder

6. ?Use

/// <reference path="../../js/<your file name here>.js" />

directive in JavaScript code jasmine unit test sources

7. Run unit tests from within VS2012 in Unit Tests Explorer

http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/hh270865.aspx#BKMK_Running_tests

8. Run, edit, refresh your web app (default.html in the very beginning) by using VS 2012 Page Inspector - CTRL + K, CTRL + G.

http://www.asp.net/vnext/overview/visual-studio/visual-studio-2012-page-inspector

(As usual you can just run your web app in a browser by using CTRL+F5 (run) or F5 (run in debug mode))

9. Enjoy!

P.S.

See also:

Running JavaScript tests with Chutzpah
http://chutzpah.codeplex.com/wikipage?title=runTests&referringTitle=Home


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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Sat Jun  8 15:39:40 2013
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sat, 08 Jun 2013 22:39:40 +0200
Subject: [dba-Tech] Learning and running AngularJS tutorials
	within	VS2012
Message-ID: <s1b3b2cf.018@cactus.dk>

Hi Shamil

Thanks! 
Where did you learn reading minds? That was my next question - as I have no intension to leave VS.

/gustav

>>> mcp2004 at mail.ru 08-06-13 20:52 >>>
 Hi All --

Not sure if subject is a generally available in one place/ready to use info - so I'm trying to compile it from several sources and to post it here:

Context: Given AngularJS tutorial -* http://docs.angularjs.org/tutorial *

Quiz: How one can work through this tutorial (including running its JavaScript - Jasmine - unit tests) *from within Visual Studio 2012?

Solution:

1. *Get and setup - "Chutzpah Test Adapter for Visual Studio 2012"

http://visualstudiogallery.msdn.microsoft.com/f8741f04-bae4-4900-81c7-7c9bfb9ed1fe 2. Start VS 2012 and create an empty web project.

3. Put tutorial's entry html with AngularJS directives into default.html

4 . Put JavaScript code from tutorial into source file(s) in /js sub-folder

5. Put JavaScript code from tutorial with jasmine unit tests into source file(s) in /tests/unit sub-folder

6. *Use

/// <reference path="../../js/<your file name here>.js" />

directive in JavaScript code jasmine unit test sources

7. Run unit tests from within VS2012 in Unit Tests Explorer

http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/hh270865.aspx#BKMK_Running_tests

8. Run, edit, refresh your web app (default.html in the very beginning) by using VS 2012 Page Inspector - CTRL + K, CTRL + G.

http://www.asp.net/vnext/overview/visual-studio/visual-studio-2012-page-inspector

(As usual you can just run your web app in a browser by using CTRL+F5 (run) or F5 (run in debug mode))

9. Enjoy!

P.S.

See also:

Running JavaScript tests with Chutzpah
http://chutzpah.codeplex.com/wikipage?title=runTests&referringTitle=Home


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From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Sat Jun  8 16:51:30 2013
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Sun, 09 Jun 2013 01:51:30 +0400
Subject: [dba-Tech]
 =?utf-8?q?Learning_and_running_AngularJS_tutorials_wit?=
 =?utf-8?q?hin=09VS2012?=
In-Reply-To: <s1b3b2cf.018@cactus.dk>
References: <s1b3b2cf.018@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <1370728290.47269580@f256.mail.ru>

 Hi Gustav --

Telepathy - I'm glad it helped there :)

I should have also mentioned the following tool, which can be used to run individual tests from within VS2012:

"Chutzpah - A JavaScript Test Runner"?
http://visualstudiogallery.msdn.microsoft.com/71a4e9bd-f660-448f-bd92-f5a65d39b7f0

?But AFAIHF there is no way to run "end-to-end' tests (http://docs.angularjs.org/guide/dev_guide.e2e-testing) from within Visual Studio 2012: I'm still to find what tools would be most suitable for me to run such end-to-end testing...

BTW, I have just found the following interesting and helpful real life AngularJS application developer story ?expressed in just one picture (but you have to read all comments and author's replies):

" My Experience With AngularJS - The Super-heroic JavaScript MVW Framework"
? http://www.bennadel.com/blog/2439-My-Experience-With-AngularJS-The-Super-heroic-JavaScript-MVW-Framework.htm
-- Shamil

Saturday, June  8, 2013 10:39 PM +02:00 from "Gustav Brock" <Gustav at cactus.dk>:
>Hi Shamil
>
>Thanks! 
>Where did you learn reading minds? That was my next question - as I have no intension to leave VS.
>
>/gustav
>
>>>>  mcp2004 at mail.ru 08-06-13 20:52 >>>
>?Hi All --
>
>Not sure if subject is a generally available in one place/ready to use info - so I'm trying to compile it from several sources and to post it here:
>
>Context: Given AngularJS tutorial -*  http://docs.angularjs.org/tutorial *
>
>Quiz: How one can work through this tutorial (including running its JavaScript - Jasmine - unit tests) *from within Visual Studio 2012?
>
>Solution:
>
>1. *Get and setup - "Chutzpah Test Adapter for Visual Studio 2012"
>
>http://visualstudiogallery.msdn.microsoft.com/f8741f04-bae4-4900-81c7-7c9bfb9ed1fe 2. Start VS 2012 and create an empty web project.
>
>3. Put tutorial's entry html with AngularJS directives into default.html
>
>4 . Put JavaScript code from tutorial into source file(s) in /js sub-folder
>
>5. Put JavaScript code from tutorial with jasmine unit tests into source file(s) in /tests/unit sub-folder
>
>6. *Use
>
>/// <reference path="../../js/<your file name here>.js" />
>
>directive in JavaScript code jasmine unit test sources
>
>7. Run unit tests from within VS2012 in Unit Tests Explorer
>
>http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/hh270865.aspx#BKMK_Running_tests
>
>8. Run, edit, refresh your web app (default.html in the very beginning) by using VS 2012 Page Inspector - CTRL + K, CTRL + G.
>
>http://www.asp.net/vnext/overview/visual-studio/visual-studio-2012-page-inspector
>
>(As usual you can just run your web app in a browser by using CTRL+F5 (run) or F5 (run in debug mode))
>
>9. Enjoy!
>
>P.S.
>
>See also:
>
>Running JavaScript tests with Chutzpah
>http://chutzpah.codeplex.com/wikipage?title=runTests&referringTitle=Home
>
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From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Sun Jun  9 16:13:28 2013
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2013 01:13:28 +0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?Trying_to_setup_nodejs_KARMA_package=2E=2E?=
	=?utf-8?q?=2E?=
Message-ID: <1370812408.814175888@f428.i.mail.ru>

 Hi All --

Context: Win8

I have got node.js (32bit) installed into?

C:\Program Files (x86)\nodejs

Now when I'm trying to setup nodejs KARMA ( https://npmjs.org/package/karma ) package by using

npm install -g karma

it doesn't look to get installed properly - I can't find karma package within other nodejs packages under

C:\Program Files (x86)\nodejs\node_modules\npm\node_modules

AFAIS karma files get installed into

C:\Users\{{My User Name}}\AppData\Roaming\npm\node_modules\karma
Is that a correct karma package setup location?

Do you have nodejs and karma running under MS Windows (any version) to check where karma package get installed?

Thank you.

P.S.

FYI: I have tried to setup nodejs 0.10.10 (from? http://nodejs.org/download/ ) both 64 and 32 bit - then setup karma - it didn't work - I was getting "cryptic" error messages when trying to run jasmine tests:

INFO [karma]: Karma server started at http://localhost:9876/
INFO [launcher]: Starting browser Chrome
ERROR [karma]: { [Error: spawn ENOENT] code: 'ENOENT', errno: 'ENOENT', syscall:
'spawn' }
Error: spawn ENOENT
at errnoException (child_process.js:980:11)
at Process.ChildProcess._handle.onexit (child_process.js:771:34)

Then I googled and I have got some info that I should better try nodejs 0.8.20 - I have got it downloaded and setup - it worked better - I have started to get less cryptic error message:

?INFO [karma]: Karma server started at http://localhost:9876/
INFO [launcher]: Starting browser Chrome
ERROR [launcher]: Cannot start Chrome
CreateProcessW: The system cannot find the path specified.


I have googled more and I have found I have to edit chrome.js in /lib/launchers....

After edits I have started to get the following error message:

INFO [karma]: Karma server started at http://localhost:9876/
INFO [launcher]: Starting browser Chrome
ERROR [launcher]: Cannot start Chrome
CreateProcessW: Access is denied.


I have given up here for now...

-- 
???????????? ??????

From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Sun Jun  9 18:25:25 2013
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2013 03:25:25 +0400
Subject: [dba-Tech]
 =?utf-8?q?Trying_to_setup_nodejs_KARMA_package=2E=2E?=
 =?utf-8?q?=2E?=
In-Reply-To: <1370812408.814175888@f428.i.mail.ru>
References: <1370812408.814175888@f428.i.mail.ru>
Message-ID: <1370820325.287424453@f329.mail.ru>

 HI All --

I have got KARMA running.

I have got finally setup nodejs 0.11.2 - ? http://nodejs.org/dist/v0.11.2/
But karma package was setup before using nodejs 0.10.5 -? http://nodejs.org/dist/v0.10.5/
It has got stored in?C:\Users\{{My User Name}}\AppData\Roaming\npm\node_modules\karma - that seems to be a correct location.
I have also setup PhantomJS -? http://phantomjs.org/download.html .
It seems to be necessary to manually setup environment variables:

CHROME_BIN = {{fullpath of chrome.exe}}
PHANTOMJS_BIN = {{fullpath of phantomjs.exe}}.

As well as edit and save PATH environment variable to get it added?

C:\Program Files (x86)\nodejs\

And I can now run jasmine tests using karma with both Chrome and PhantomJS. IE fails (as usual).

Well, I can run JavaScript tests but "end-to-end' tests still fail to be executed when running with both Chrome and PhantomJS - I'm getting warning messages:

[2013-06-10 03:12:29.673] [WARN] config - "/" is proxied, you should probably change urlRoot to avoid conflicts
INFO [karma]: Karma server started at http://localhost:9876/
INFO [launcher]: <<< Starting browser PhantomJS
INFO [launcher]: --- Starting browser PhantomJS
INFO [PhantomJS 1.9 (Windows)]: Connected on socket id nt0PFIKfhu_qOf1cNloF
WARN [proxy]: failed to proxy /app/index.html (Error: connect ECONNREFUSED) Still to find a solution for the above issue.

-- Shamil

Monday, June 10, 2013 1:13 AM +04:00 from Salakhetdinov Shamil <mcp2004 at mail.ru>:
>Hi All --
>
>Context: Win8
>
>I have got node.js (32bit) installed into?

<<< skipped >>>
>

From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Jun 10 02:15:31 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2013 00:15:31 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Trying to setup nodejs KARMA package...
In-Reply-To: <1370820325.287424453@f329.mail.ru>
References: <1370812408.814175888@f428.i.mail.ru>
	<1370820325.287424453@f329.mail.ru>
Message-ID: <27CBC6AF6621436DA62F8441BF78702A@server2003>

Hi Shamil:

 

Can I assume that you sent this post without content as the subject line was
all that was necessary. 

 

Keep up the good work and keep us posted on your progress.

 

Jim

 

  _____  

From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov
Shamil
Sent: Sunday, June 09, 2013 4:25 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Trying to setup nodejs KARMA package...

 

 


From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Jun 10 02:23:33 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2013 00:23:33 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Migration to Linux
In-Reply-To: <1370820325.287424453@f329.mail.ru>
References: <1370812408.814175888@f428.i.mail.ru>
	<1370820325.287424453@f329.mail.ru>
Message-ID: <60695E0FA0F348E9B663FFC402235079@server2003>

Hi All:

 

About ten years in the making Munich Germany has finally migrated completely
to Linux. Many other cities have been watching this unfold and will be
deciding which way to progress in the future.

 

http://joinup.ec.europa.eu/community/osor/news/city-munich-migration-sustain
able-desktop-completed-successfully

 

Can I assume Saint Petersburg and Copenhagen will be following suit,
shortly? ;-)

 

Jim 

 


From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Mon Jun 10 02:47:57 2013
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2013 00:47:57 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Migration to Linux
In-Reply-To: <60695E0FA0F348E9B663FFC402235079@server2003>
References: <1370812408.814175888@f428.i.mail.ru>
	<1370820325.287424453@f329.mail.ru>
	<60695E0FA0F348E9B663FFC402235079@server2003>
Message-ID: <05A86C20-DA78-401C-8896-8FF960B6B195@phulse.com>

One can only hope, but, unfortunately, last I knew one of the biggest European headquarters for Microsoft was around Copenhagen and therefore politics plays a bigger part than practicality.

I only hope that Scandinavian solidarity is a stronger incentive than money that greases the pocket. :)

- Hans


On 2013-06-10, at 12:23 AM, "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> Hi All:
> 
> 
> 
> About ten years in the making Munich Germany has finally migrated completely
> to Linux. Many other cities have been watching this unfold and will be
> deciding which way to progress in the future.
> 
> 
> 
> http://joinup.ec.europa.eu/community/osor/news/city-munich-migration-sustain
> able-desktop-completed-successfully
> 
> 
> 
> Can I assume Saint Petersburg and Copenhagen will be following suit,
> shortly? ;-)
> 
> 
> 
> Jim 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
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From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Mon Jun 10 02:49:39 2013
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2013 08:49:39 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Migration to Linux
In-Reply-To: <05A86C20-DA78-401C-8896-8FF960B6B195@phulse.com>
References: <1370812408.814175888@f428.i.mail.ru>
	<1370820325.287424453@f329.mail.ru>
	<60695E0FA0F348E9B663FFC402235079@server2003>
	<05A86C20-DA78-401C-8896-8FF960B6B195@phulse.com>
Message-ID: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB082959C5590D53D@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk>

Hans

than money that greases the pocket. :)


Are you saying that MS bribes customers?

Martin


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hans-Christian Andersen
Sent: 10 June 2013 08:48
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Migration to Linux

One can only hope, but, unfortunately, last I knew one of the biggest European headquarters for Microsoft was around Copenhagen and therefore politics plays a bigger part than practicality.

I only hope that Scandinavian solidarity is a stronger incentive than money that greases the pocket. :)

- Hans


On 2013-06-10, at 12:23 AM, "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> Hi All:
> 
> 
> 
> About ten years in the making Munich Germany has finally migrated 
> completely to Linux. Many other cities have been watching this unfold 
> and will be deciding which way to progress in the future.
> 
> 
> 
> http://joinup.ec.europa.eu/community/osor/news/city-munich-migration-s
> ustain
> able-desktop-completed-successfully
> 
> 
> 
> Can I assume Saint Petersburg and Copenhagen will be following suit, 
> shortly? ;-)
> 
> 
> 
> Jim
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
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From hkotsch at arcor.de  Mon Jun 10 03:27:36 2013
From: hkotsch at arcor.de (Helmut Kotsch)
Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2013 10:27:36 +0200
Subject: [dba-Tech] Migration to Linux
In-Reply-To: <05A86C20-DA78-401C-8896-8FF960B6B195@phulse.com>
Message-ID: <JIECLJNJOMBJFEDLONCBEELNKEAA.hkotsch@arcor.de>

Microsoft's German Headquarter with 2600 employees is located in Munich.
Microsoft has tried to fight the Munich Linux decision for years.
Microsoft Germany is the second biggest daughter in a foreign country.
I do not know who is number one but would think that it is one of their
Asian operations,

Helmut

-----Ursprungliche Nachricht-----
Von: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]Im Auftrag von
Hans-Christian Andersen
Gesendet: Montag, 10. Juni 2013 09:48
An: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Betreff: Re: [dba-Tech] Migration to Linux


One can only hope, but, unfortunately, last I knew one of the biggest
European headquarters for Microsoft was around Copenhagen and therefore
politics plays a bigger part than practicality.

I only hope that Scandinavian solidarity is a stronger incentive than money
that greases the pocket. :)

- Hans


On 2013-06-10, at 12:23 AM, "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> Hi All:
>
>
>
> About ten years in the making Munich Germany has finally migrated
completely
> to Linux. Many other cities have been watching this unfold and will be
> deciding which way to progress in the future.
>
>
>
>
http://joinup.ec.europa.eu/community/osor/news/city-munich-migration-sustain
> able-desktop-completed-successfully
>
>
>
> Can I assume Saint Petersburg and Copenhagen will be following suit,
> shortly? ;-)
>
>
>
> Jim
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
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From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Mon Jun 10 03:50:09 2013
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2013 01:50:09 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Migration to Linux
In-Reply-To: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB082959C5590D53D@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk>
References: <1370812408.814175888@f428.i.mail.ru>
	<1370820325.287424453@f329.mail.ru>
	<60695E0FA0F348E9B663FFC402235079@server2003>
	<05A86C20-DA78-401C-8896-8FF960B6B195@phulse.com>
	<631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB082959C5590D53D@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <425A1D95-693F-4ED6-AE89-27D92D366C6C@phulse.com>


Well, of course. Obviously, I don't know what happens behind closed doors, but it's an oft used tactic for a corporation to get their will by the mere threat of moving their offices to another country.  Especially for a country as small as Denmark.

We aren't in conspiracy territory here, but, granted, I have no specific evidence of any wrong doing.

- Hans


On 2013-06-10, at 12:49 AM, Martin Reid <mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk> wrote:

> Hans
> 
> than money that greases the pocket. :)
> 
> 
> Are you saying that MS bribes customers?
> 
> Martin
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hans-Christian Andersen
> Sent: 10 June 2013 08:48
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Migration to Linux
> 
> One can only hope, but, unfortunately, last I knew one of the biggest European headquarters for Microsoft was around Copenhagen and therefore politics plays a bigger part than practicality.
> 
> I only hope that Scandinavian solidarity is a stronger incentive than money that greases the pocket. :)
> 
> - Hans
> 
> 
> On 2013-06-10, at 12:23 AM, "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
> 
>> Hi All:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> About ten years in the making Munich Germany has finally migrated 
>> completely to Linux. Many other cities have been watching this unfold 
>> and will be deciding which way to progress in the future.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> http://joinup.ec.europa.eu/community/osor/news/city-munich-migration-s
>> ustain
>> able-desktop-completed-successfully
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Can I assume Saint Petersburg and Copenhagen will be following suit, 
>> shortly? ;-)
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Jim
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> dba-Tech mailing list
>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Jun 10 04:15:20 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2013 02:15:20 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] The fastest computer in the world
In-Reply-To: <425A1D95-693F-4ED6-AE89-27D92D366C6C@phulse.com>
References: <1370812408.814175888@f428.i.mail.ru><1370820325.287424453@f329.mail.ru><60695E0FA0F348E9B663FFC402235079@server2003><05A86C20-DA78-401C-8896-8FF960B6B195@phulse.com><631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB082959C5590D53D@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk>
	<425A1D95-693F-4ED6-AE89-27D92D366C6C@phulse.com>
Message-ID: <E03ABFE686ED4F388B6F28BEAC40BD4F@server2003>

China has just completed the fastest computer in the world. 

This is the second year that it has ceased the performance crown with the
"Tianhe-2" massively parallel supercomputer.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/06/10/inside_chinas_tianhe2_massive_hybrid
_supercomputer/

Tianhe-1, Tianhe-1A and Tianhe-2 use a Linux-based operating system.

Jim


From hkotsch at arcor.de  Mon Jun 10 04:51:46 2013
From: hkotsch at arcor.de (Helmut Kotsch)
Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2013 11:51:46 +0200
Subject: [dba-Tech] Migration to Linux
In-Reply-To: <425A1D95-693F-4ED6-AE89-27D92D366C6C@phulse.com>
Message-ID: <JIECLJNJOMBJFEDLONCBCELPKEAA.hkotsch@arcor.de>

Here is a link to:
Microsoft refuses to release study challenging Munich Linux success

http://tinyurl.com/q3krjr6

One post to the above article lists the following success stories:
<quote>
Similar astronomical savings have been reported in last 4 - 5 years
by shift from Microsoft to Linux by the Governments of Brazil, South
Africa, Taiwan, Vietnam, Australia, Peru, Chile, middle eastern
countries and others, as well as NASDAQ, London Stock Exchange and
all the other financial Stock Exchanges in USA and internationally,
most of the Irish and Italian banking systems, several large
organizations and international Universities and hundreds of clients
of IBM and Oracle and Cisco.
<quote>

Helmut


-----Ursprungliche Nachricht-----
Von: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]Im Auftrag von
Hans-Christian Andersen
Gesendet: Montag, 10. Juni 2013 10:50
An: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Betreff: Re: [dba-Tech] Migration to Linux



Well, of course. Obviously, I don't know what happens behind closed doors,
but it's an oft used tactic for a corporation to get their will by the mere
threat of moving their offices to another country.  Especially for a country
as small as Denmark.

We aren't in conspiracy territory here, but, granted, I have no specific
evidence of any wrong doing.

- Hans


On 2013-06-10, at 12:49 AM, Martin Reid <mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk> wrote:

> Hans
>
> than money that greases the pocket. :)
>
>
> Are you saying that MS bribes customers?
>
> Martin
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hans-Christian
Andersen
> Sent: 10 June 2013 08:48
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Migration to Linux
>
> One can only hope, but, unfortunately, last I knew one of the biggest
European headquarters for Microsoft was around Copenhagen and therefore
politics plays a bigger part than practicality.
>
> I only hope that Scandinavian solidarity is a stronger incentive than
money that greases the pocket. :)
>
> - Hans
>
>
> On 2013-06-10, at 12:23 AM, "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
>
>> Hi All:
>>
>>
>>
>> About ten years in the making Munich Germany has finally migrated
>> completely to Linux. Many other cities have been watching this unfold
>> and will be deciding which way to progress in the future.
>>
>>
>>
>> http://joinup.ec.europa.eu/community/osor/news/city-munich-migration-s
>> ustain
>> able-desktop-completed-successfully
>>
>>
>>
>> Can I assume Saint Petersburg and Copenhagen will be following suit,
>> shortly? ;-)
>>
>>
>>
>> Jim
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> dba-Tech mailing list
>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
> _______________________________________________
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>
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Jun 10 07:18:10 2013
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2013 14:18:10 +0200
Subject: [dba-Tech] Migration to Linux
Message-ID: <009d01ce65d4$926bbf10$b7433d30$@cactus.dk>

Hi Jim

No. Regarding desktops, Denmark is a Microsoft country - and a little Mac.
Not 100%, of course, but still.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Jim Lawrence
Sendt: 10. juni 2013 09:24
Til: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Emne: [dba-Tech] Migration to Linux

Hi All:

 

About ten years in the making Munich Germany has finally migrated completely
to Linux. Many other cities have been watching this unfold and will be
deciding which way to progress in the future.

 

http://joinup.ec.europa.eu/community/osor/news/city-munich-migration-sustain
able-desktop-completed-successfully

 

Can I assume Saint Petersburg and Copenhagen will be following suit,
shortly? ;-)

 

Jim 



From gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Jun 10 07:24:33 2013
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2013 14:24:33 +0200
Subject: [dba-Tech] Migration to Linux
Message-ID: <009f01ce65d5$7694b660$63be2320$@cactus.dk>

Hi Hans

No, not at all, but we do host the largest Microsoft Development Center
outside the US.
It is mostly known to handle development of all the ERP systems.

/gustav


-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Hans-Christian
Andersen
Sendt: 10. juni 2013 09:48
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Migration to Linux

One can only hope, but, unfortunately, last I knew one of the biggest
European headquarters for Microsoft was around Copenhagen and therefore
politics plays a bigger part than practicality.

I only hope that Scandinavian solidarity is a stronger incentive than money
that greases the pocket. :)

- Hans



From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Mon Jun 10 07:53:29 2013
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2013 16:53:29 +0400
Subject: [dba-Tech]
 =?utf-8?q?Trying_to_setup_nodejs_KARMA_package=2E=2E?=
 =?utf-8?q?=2E?=
In-Reply-To: <27CBC6AF6621436DA62F8441BF78702A@server2003>
References: <1370812408.814175888@f428.i.mail.ru>
	<1370820325.287424453@f329.mail.ru>
	<27CBC6AF6621436DA62F8441BF78702A@server2003>
Message-ID: <1370868809.89881340@f21.mail.ru>

 Hi Jim --

I have checked my sent to dba-tech e-mails and I haven't found any one with empty body.
Anyway, I'd shortly note that I have got node.js up & running on Win8 Prof as well as Karma package and PhantomJS executables. And I can run now jasmine unit tests but jasmine e2e tests are still failing to run resulting in the following error message:

[2013-06-10 03:12:29.673] [WARN] config - "/" is proxied, you should probably change urlRoot to avoid conflicts
INFO [karma]: Karma server started at http://localhost:9876/
INFO [launcher]: <<< Starting browser PhantomJS
INFO [launcher]: --- Starting browser PhantomJS
INFO [PhantomJS 1.9 (Windows)]: Connected on socket id nt0PFIKfhu_qOf1cNloF
WARN [proxy]: failed to proxy /app/index.html (Error: connect ECONNREFUSED)

The solution is expected to be simple but googling haven't helped yet. I'll keep trying...

Thank you.

-- Shamil

Monday, June 10, 2013 12:15 AM -07:00 from "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca>:
>Hi Shamil:
>
>?
>
>Can I assume that you sent this post without content as the subject line was
>all that was necessary. 
>
>?
>
>Keep up the good work and keep us posted on your progress.
>
>?
>
>Jim
>
>?
>
>??_____ 
>
>From:  dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov
>Shamil
>Sent: Sunday, June 09, 2013 4:25 PM
>To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Trying to setup nodejs KARMA package...
>
>?
>
>?
>
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>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
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From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Mon Jun 10 08:08:36 2013
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2013 17:08:36 +0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?Migration_to_Linux?=
In-Reply-To: <60695E0FA0F348E9B663FFC402235079@server2003>
References: <1370812408.814175888@f428.i.mail.ru>
	<1370820325.287424453@f329.mail.ru>
	<60695E0FA0F348E9B663FFC402235079@server2003>
Message-ID: <1370869716.302550190@f165.mail.ru>

 Hi Jim --

Here in St.Petersburg, Russia:

Desktops are mainly MS Windows AFAIS.
Tablets and mobiles are mainly driven by Android.
Quite a few iPhone/iPad shops are in all the shopping malls here.
WinPhone/Lumia ads are everywhere as well as Office 365.

Largest national bank - Sberbank - is using MS software and servers AFAIK.
I know about some other large companies in retail and building, which are also using mainly MS software and servers...

-- Shamil

Monday, June 10, 2013 12:23 AM -07:00 from "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca>:
>Hi All:
>
>?
>
>About ten years in the making Munich Germany has finally migrated completely
>to Linux. Many other cities have been watching this unfold and will be
>deciding which way to progress in the future.
>
>?
>
>http://joinup.ec.europa.eu/community/osor/news/city-munich-migration-sustain
>able-desktop-completed-successfully
>
>?
>
>Can I assume Saint Petersburg and Copenhagen will be following suit,
>shortly? ;-)
>
>?
>
>Jim 
>
>?
>
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From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Mon Jun 10 10:43:40 2013
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2013 08:43:40 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Migration to Linux
In-Reply-To: <009f01ce65d5$7694b660$63be2320$@cactus.dk>
References: <009f01ce65d5$7694b660$63be2320$@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <EB6E17BA-77D9-442A-8FAF-E5DFABD6FF6C@phulse.com>

That's what I was thinking of. Thanks !

- Hans


On 2013-06-10, at 5:24 AM, "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Hi Hans
> 
> No, not at all, but we do host the largest Microsoft Development Center
> outside the US.
> It is mostly known to handle development of all the ERP systems.
> 
> /gustav
> 
> 
> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Hans-Christian
> Andersen
> Sendt: 10. juni 2013 09:48
> Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Migration to Linux
> 
> One can only hope, but, unfortunately, last I knew one of the biggest
> European headquarters for Microsoft was around Copenhagen and therefore
> politics plays a bigger part than practicality.
> 
> I only hope that Scandinavian solidarity is a stronger incentive than money
> that greases the pocket. :)
> 
> - Hans
> 
> 
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Jun 10 12:14:06 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2013 10:14:06 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Migration to Linux
In-Reply-To: <009d01ce65d4$926bbf10$b7433d30$@cactus.dk>
References: <009d01ce65d4$926bbf10$b7433d30$@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <70C7F6B3A30842D6A9795943EF5B747C@server2003>

Hi Gustav:

Hold out there. 

Your country may be the last bastion of Microsoft in Europe. I do not think
it is good when everything goes one way or the other. A mixed environment is
always the best. 

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Monday, June 10, 2013 5:18 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Migration to Linux

Hi Jim

No. Regarding desktops, Denmark is a Microsoft country - and a little Mac.
Not 100%, of course, but still.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Jim Lawrence
Sendt: 10. juni 2013 09:24
Til: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Emne: [dba-Tech] Migration to Linux

Hi All:

 

About ten years in the making Munich Germany has finally migrated completely
to Linux. Many other cities have been watching this unfold and will be
deciding which way to progress in the future.

 

http://joinup.ec.europa.eu/community/osor/news/city-munich-migration-sustain
able-desktop-completed-successfully

 

Can I assume Saint Petersburg and Copenhagen will be following suit,
shortly? ;-)

 

Jim 


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From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Jun 10 13:22:15 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2013 11:22:15 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] A TV project
In-Reply-To: <EB6E17BA-77D9-442A-8FAF-E5DFABD6FF6C@phulse.com>
References: <009f01ce65d5$7694b660$63be2320$@cactus.dk>
	<EB6E17BA-77D9-442A-8FAF-E5DFABD6FF6C@phulse.com>
Message-ID: <DC7929413BBF4DD28C523F1905D5B797@server2003>



-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hans-Christian
Andersen
Sent: Monday, June 10, 2013 8:44 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Migration to Linux

That's what I was thinking of. Thanks !

- Hans


On 2013-06-10, at 5:24 AM, "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Hi Hans
> 
> No, not at all, but we do host the largest Microsoft Development Center
> outside the US.
> It is mostly known to handle development of all the ERP systems.
> 
> /gustav
> 
> 
> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Hans-Christian
> Andersen
> Sendt: 10. juni 2013 09:48
> Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Migration to Linux
> 
> One can only hope, but, unfortunately, last I knew one of the biggest
> European headquarters for Microsoft was around Copenhagen and therefore
> politics plays a bigger part than practicality.
> 
> I only hope that Scandinavian solidarity is a stronger incentive than
money
> that greases the pocket. :)
> 
> - Hans
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Jun 10 13:28:28 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2013 11:28:28 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] A TV project
In-Reply-To: <EB6E17BA-77D9-442A-8FAF-E5DFABD6FF6C@phulse.com>
References: <009f01ce65d5$7694b660$63be2320$@cactus.dk>
	<EB6E17BA-77D9-442A-8FAF-E5DFABD6FF6C@phulse.com>
Message-ID: <934C1A8A36374F2CA2A105F09F3D3FD4@server2003>

Hi All:

According to the attached article you can put together a Google TV project
with a RaspberryPI, NodeJS and SocketIO. Some project for next winter maybe.

The article goes through a step by step set of instructions for building the
project. If you were a teacher or had some young budding techies in the
family this would be a great science project.

http://blog.donaldderek.com/2013/06/build-your-own-google-tv-using-raspberry
pi-nodejs-and-socket-io/

Jim  


From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Jun 11 00:55:23 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2013 22:55:23 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Migration to Linux
In-Reply-To: <009d01ce65d4$926bbf10$b7433d30$@cactus.dk>
References: <009d01ce65d4$926bbf10$b7433d30$@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <B0D2C57E73D04403A7D7B413280316C0@server2003>

Hi Gustav:

No wonder you and Shamil are so confident on the continued dominance of
Microsoft. Both your regions are solid MS OS enclaves.

It is not like that here, where there is a very mixed support for a host of
different products and operating systems.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Monday, June 10, 2013 5:18 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Migration to Linux

Hi Jim

No. Regarding desktops, Denmark is a Microsoft country - and a little Mac.
Not 100%, of course, but still.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Jim Lawrence
Sendt: 10. juni 2013 09:24
Til: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Emne: [dba-Tech] Migration to Linux

Hi All:

 

About ten years in the making Munich Germany has finally migrated completely
to Linux. Many other cities have been watching this unfold and will be
deciding which way to progress in the future.

 

http://joinup.ec.europa.eu/community/osor/news/city-munich-migration-sustain
able-desktop-completed-successfully

 

Can I assume Saint Petersburg and Copenhagen will be following suit,
shortly? ;-)

 

Jim 


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From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Tue Jun 11 01:11:48 2013
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2013 23:11:48 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Migration to Linux
In-Reply-To: <B0D2C57E73D04403A7D7B413280316C0@server2003>
References: <009d01ce65d4$926bbf10$b7433d30$@cactus.dk>
	<B0D2C57E73D04403A7D7B413280316C0@server2003>
Message-ID: <2A667AA5-BC67-43A2-9322-4D4C05F18AA7@phulse.com>

I love my home country, but it seems quite true that danes (and scandinavians in general) like to play it safe.

- Hans


On 2013-06-10, at 10:55 PM, "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> Hi Gustav:
> 
> No wonder you and Shamil are so confident on the continued dominance of
> Microsoft. Both your regions are solid MS OS enclaves.
> 
> It is not like that here, where there is a very mixed support for a host of
> different products and operating systems.
> 
> Jim
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
> Sent: Monday, June 10, 2013 5:18 AM
> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Migration to Linux
> 
> Hi Jim
> 
> No. Regarding desktops, Denmark is a Microsoft country - and a little Mac.
> Not 100%, of course, but still.
> 
> /gustav
> 
> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Jim Lawrence
> Sendt: 10. juni 2013 09:24
> Til: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
> Emne: [dba-Tech] Migration to Linux
> 
> Hi All:
> 
> 
> 
> About ten years in the making Munich Germany has finally migrated completely
> to Linux. Many other cities have been watching this unfold and will be
> deciding which way to progress in the future.
> 
> 
> 
> http://joinup.ec.europa.eu/community/osor/news/city-munich-migration-sustain
> able-desktop-completed-successfully
> 
> 
> 
> Can I assume Saint Petersburg and Copenhagen will be following suit,
> shortly? ;-)
> 
> 
> 
> Jim 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 
> 
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Jun 11 01:26:07 2013
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2013 08:26:07 +0200
Subject: [dba-Tech] Migration to Linux
Message-ID: <000001ce666c$8f77fe70$ae67fb50$@cactus.dk>

Hi Jim and Hans

It's not so. It's not black/white or blue/yellow. We do have a vivid Linux community.
You are making too wide conclusions or assumptions from my short answer to Jim's original question.

/gustav


-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Hans-Christian Andersen
Sendt: 11. juni 2013 08:12
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Migration to Linux

I love my home country, but it seems quite true that danes (and scandinavians in general) like to play it safe.

- Hans


On 2013-06-10, at 10:55 PM, "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> Hi Gustav:
> 
> No wonder you and Shamil are so confident on the continued dominance 
> of Microsoft. Both your regions are solid MS OS enclaves.
> 
> It is not like that here, where there is a very mixed support for a 
> host of different products and operating systems.
> 
> Jim
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav 
> Brock
> Sent: Monday, June 10, 2013 5:18 AM
> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Migration to Linux
> 
> Hi Jim
> 
> No. Regarding desktops, Denmark is a Microsoft country - and a little Mac.
> Not 100%, of course, but still.
> 
> /gustav
> 
> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Jim 
> Lawrence
> Sendt: 10. juni 2013 09:24
> Til: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
> Emne: [dba-Tech] Migration to Linux
> 
> Hi All:
> 
> 
> 
> About ten years in the making Munich Germany has finally migrated 
> completely to Linux. Many other cities have been watching this unfold 
> and will be deciding which way to progress in the future.
> 
> 
> 
> http://joinup.ec.europa.eu/community/osor/news/city-munich-migration-sustainable-desktop-completed-successfully
> 
> 
> 
> Can I assume Saint Petersburg and Copenhagen will be following suit, shortly? ;-)
> 
> 
> 
> Jim 



From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Tue Jun 11 01:54:21 2013
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2013 10:54:21 +0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?Skeuomorphic_UIs_are_dead=3F_Apple_to_follow?=
 =?utf-8?q?_MS_Win8_UI_design_principles_with_iOS7=3F?=
Message-ID: <1370933661.37949356@f98.mail.ru>


Hi All --

See subj questions and the following links:?

http://techcrunch.com/2013/06/10/apple-ios-7/

http://techcrunch.com/2013/06/10/take-a-good-look-at-apples-new-ios-7-with-these-early-screenshots/

http://techcrunch.com/2013/06/10/apples-flashlight-is-why-we-cant-fund-nice-dumb-things/ ?

etc.

it looks like iOS7 is preparing for iOS8 to get running transparently on "Apple Pince-nez"?...


-- 
???????????? ??????

From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Tue Jun 11 02:13:27 2013
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2013 11:13:27 +0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?Migration_to_Linux?=
In-Reply-To: <000001ce666c$8f77fe70$ae67fb50$@cactus.dk>
References: <000001ce666c$8f77fe70$ae67fb50$@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <1370934807.68627675@f98.mail.ru>

 Hi Gustav, Jim and Hans --

>?You are making too wide conclusions or assumptions
> from my short answer to Jim's original question
Yes.

>?I love my home country, but it seems quite true 
> that danes (and scandinavians in general) like to play it safe.
I'd say ?that "danes and (scandinavians in general)" like to make?and use "solid" (firm, lasting, reliable...) things - and making "solid" things is quite different from "playing safe" IMO.
And that sentence above is my general observation - it has nothing related to " 'MS Windows vs. Linux' great debates"....

-- Shamil

Tuesday, June 11, 2013 8:26 AM +02:00 from "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>:
>Hi Jim and Hans
>
>It's not so. It's not black/white or blue/yellow. We do have a vivid Linux community.
>You are making too wide conclusions or assumptions from my short answer to Jim's original question.
>
>/gustav
>
>
>-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
>Fra:  dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Hans-Christian Andersen
>Sendt: 11. juni 2013 08:12
>Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Migration to Linux
>
>I love my home country, but it seems quite true that danes (and scandinavians in general) like to play it safe.
>
>- Hans
>
>
>On 2013-06-10, at 10:55 PM, "Jim Lawrence" < accessd at shaw.ca > wrote:
>
>> Hi Gustav:
>> 
>> No wonder you and Shamil are so confident on the continued dominance 
>> of Microsoft. Both your regions are solid MS OS enclaves.
>> 
>> It is not like that here, where there is a very mixed support for a 
>> host of different products and operating systems.
>> 
>> Jim
<<< skipped >>>

From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Tue Jun 11 02:14:24 2013
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2013 00:14:24 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Skeuomorphic UIs are dead? Apple to follow MS Win8
	UI design principles with iOS7?
In-Reply-To: <1370933661.37949356@f98.mail.ru>
References: <1370933661.37949356@f98.mail.ru>
Message-ID: <A7BDEE34-304D-456C-BC01-2274AE90D89F@phulse.com>


I found the design changes the most disappointing aspect of the whole thing. All the new features and technology are really great and exciting, but the design feels like a bit of a step back rather than a step forward. First of all, while it's not fully Metro, is still obviously of the same inspiration (I don't know if Ive was inspired by Metro - it seems more the case to me that it's more of an inspiration by a design aesthetic/movement, like Bang and Olufsen etc...) - and, to be honest, I've always said that the Metro UI works really well for a small phone (it's not as nice on a tablet and it's absolutely wrong for a laptop or pc).

But I have a huge problem with these flat interfaces. It's a lot harder to know what app you are in or the context of the app without all the extra visual cues. Flat interfaces just simply present data and that's all you have to go by - like navigating your life through a series of spreadsheets. While I can appreciate that Ive is showing his love for Scandinavian "Bang and Olufsen" minimalism, it only truly works well on a device with limited functionality.

So, I'm not totally bowled over by this, but, fortunately, Apple didn't go full Metro (you never go full Metro).

I might be able to live with it... I hope so, but I'll just have to try it first.

- Hans



On 2013-06-10, at 11:54 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil <mcp2004 at mail.ru> wrote:

> 
> Hi All --
> 
> See subj questions and the following links: 
> 
> http://techcrunch.com/2013/06/10/apple-ios-7/
> 
> http://techcrunch.com/2013/06/10/take-a-good-look-at-apples-new-ios-7-with-these-early-screenshots/
> 
> http://techcrunch.com/2013/06/10/apples-flashlight-is-why-we-cant-fund-nice-dumb-things/  
> 
> etc.
> 
> it looks like iOS7 is preparing for iOS8 to get running transparently on "Apple Pince-nez"?...
> 
> 
> -- 
> ???????????? ??????
> _______________________________________________
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> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Jun 11 03:05:15 2013
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2013 10:05:15 +0200
Subject: [dba-Tech] Skeuomorphic UIs are dead? Apple to follow MS Win8
	UI design principles with iOS7?
Message-ID: <004f01ce667a$67d504e0$377f0ea0$@cactus.dk>

Hi Shamil

Skeuomorphism sure looks dead. And thanks for that.

After the introduction of Metro/Modern UI, I was convinced that in a few years skeuomorphism would be so much yesterday.
The new design of iOS settles this.

Now the Linux people are the left behinds ...

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Salakhetdinov Shamil
Sendt: 11. juni 2013 08:54
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Softw
Emne: [dba-Tech] Skeuomorphic UIs are dead? Apple to follow MS Win8 UI design principles with iOS7?


Hi All --

See subj questions and the following links: 

http://techcrunch.com/2013/06/10/apple-ios-7/

http://techcrunch.com/2013/06/10/take-a-good-look-at-apples-new-ios-7-with-these-early-screenshots/

http://techcrunch.com/2013/06/10/apples-flashlight-is-why-we-cant-fund-nice-dumb-things/  

etc.

it looks like iOS7 is preparing for iOS8 to get running transparently on "Apple Pince-nez"?...


-- 
???????????? ??????



From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Tue Jun 11 03:15:46 2013
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2013 01:15:46 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Skeuomorphic UIs are dead? Apple to follow MS Win8
	UI design principles with iOS7?
In-Reply-To: <004f01ce667a$67d504e0$377f0ea0$@cactus.dk>
References: <004f01ce667a$67d504e0$377f0ea0$@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <A976D25F-E218-47D4-89EA-4591C194F3ED@phulse.com>

I think you are disregarding the fact that Metro has been a failure for Microsoft, because it was too much of a change for users to adapt to. Someone got fired for that, if you recall.

Also, the UI/UX of iOS is in the complete control of a designer.

The jury is still very much out - even more so than ever.

- Hans


On 2013-06-11, at 1:05 AM, "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Hi Shamil
> 
> Skeuomorphism sure looks dead. And thanks for that.
> 
> After the introduction of Metro/Modern UI, I was convinced that in a few years skeuomorphism would be so much yesterday.
> The new design of iOS settles this.
> 
> Now the Linux people are the left behinds ...
> 
> /gustav
> 
> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Salakhetdinov Shamil
> Sendt: 11. juni 2013 08:54
> Til: Discussion of Hardware and Softw
> Emne: [dba-Tech] Skeuomorphic UIs are dead? Apple to follow MS Win8 UI design principles with iOS7?
> 
> 
> Hi All --
> 
> See subj questions and the following links: 
> 
> http://techcrunch.com/2013/06/10/apple-ios-7/
> 
> http://techcrunch.com/2013/06/10/take-a-good-look-at-apples-new-ios-7-with-these-early-screenshots/
> 
> http://techcrunch.com/2013/06/10/apples-flashlight-is-why-we-cant-fund-nice-dumb-things/  
> 
> etc.
> 
> it looks like iOS7 is preparing for iOS8 to get running transparently on "Apple Pince-nez"?...
> 
> 
> -- 
> ???????????? ??????
> 
> 
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Tue Jun 11 03:53:13 2013
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2013 04:53:13 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Skeuomorphic UIs are dead? Apple to follow MS Win8
 UI design principles with iOS7?
In-Reply-To: <A976D25F-E218-47D4-89EA-4591C194F3ED@phulse.com>
References: <004f01ce667a$67d504e0$377f0ea0$@cactus.dk>
	<A976D25F-E218-47D4-89EA-4591C194F3ED@phulse.com>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1hV91CxqmF-qP+U8dwoP-hxbcn2LiBHk89C0WgKKW-AZg@mail.gmail.com>

At the moment I have here a friend's new Dell laptop with Win8 installed,
and I guess it was a good idea to retire, because I find this UI the most
balling and frustrating experience of my life. So does my friend, who owns
this new laptop. She's asked me to reformat it and convert it back to
Windows 7. At first I was dubious about this move, but after the last few
days, I'm beginning to think that she is right. AFAICS, the whole concept
behind this OS is asinine. As for tablets, Android on an Acer or Nexus 7 is
lovely. On my trusty aging desktop, I have no plans to change anything,
other than apply the usual Tuesday patches from MS. Sometimes I wish that I
still had a DOS box and Clipper. That was a comfortable environment!


On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 4:15 AM, Hans-Christian Andersen <
hans.andersen at phulse.com> wrote:

> I think you are disregarding the fact that Metro has been a failure for
> Microsoft, because it was too much of a change for users to adapt to.
> Someone got fired for that, if you recall.
>
> Also, the UI/UX of iOS is in the complete control of a designer.
>
> The jury is still very much out - even more so than ever.
>
> - Hans
>
>
> On 2013-06-11, at 1:05 AM, "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
>
> > Hi Shamil
> >
> > Skeuomorphism sure looks dead. And thanks for that.
> >
> > After the introduction of Metro/Modern UI, I was convinced that in a few
> years skeuomorphism would be so much yesterday.
> > The new design of iOS settles this.
> >
> > Now the Linux people are the left behinds ...
> >
> > /gustav
> >
> > -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> > Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:
> dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Salakhetdinov Shamil
> > Sendt: 11. juni 2013 08:54
> > Til: Discussion of Hardware and Softw
> > Emne: [dba-Tech] Skeuomorphic UIs are dead? Apple to follow MS Win8 UI
> design principles with iOS7?
> >
> >
> > Hi All --
> >
> > See subj questions and the following links:
> >
> > http://techcrunch.com/2013/06/10/apple-ios-7/
> >
> >
> http://techcrunch.com/2013/06/10/take-a-good-look-at-apples-new-ios-7-with-these-early-screenshots/
> >
> >
> http://techcrunch.com/2013/06/10/apples-flashlight-is-why-we-cant-fund-nice-dumb-things/
> >
> > etc.
> >
> > it looks like iOS7 is preparing for iOS8 to get running transparently on
> "Apple Pince-nez"?...
> >
> >
> > --
> > ???????????? ??????
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > dba-Tech mailing list
> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
> _______________________________________________
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> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>



-- 
Arthur
Cell: 647.710.1314

Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
  -- Niels Bohr

From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Tue Jun 11 04:08:29 2013
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2013 13:08:29 +0400
Subject: [dba-Tech]
 =?utf-8?q?Skeuomorphic_UIs_are_dead=3F_Apple_to_follow?=
 =?utf-8?q?_MS_Win8_UI_design_principles_with_iOS7=3F?=
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1hV91CxqmF-qP+U8dwoP-hxbcn2LiBHk89C0WgKKW-AZg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <004f01ce667a$67d504e0$377f0ea0$@cactus.dk>
	<A976D25F-E218-47D4-89EA-4591C194F3ED@phulse.com>
	<CAEPJO1hV91CxqmF-qP+U8dwoP-hxbcn2LiBHk89C0WgKKW-AZg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1370941709.387108150@f415.i.mail.ru>

 Hi Arthur --

You and your friend better adapt - that seems to be the mainstream trend:

"Apple Publishes iOS 7 Transition Guide To Help Developers Adopt Flat Design"
http://techcrunch.com/2013/06/10/apple-publishes-ios-7-transition-guide-to-help-developers-adopt-flat-design/


-- Shamil

Tuesday, June 11, 2013 4:53 AM -04:00 from Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com>:
>At the moment I have here a friend's new Dell laptop with Win8 installed,
>and I guess it was a good idea to retire, because I find this UI the most
>balling and frustrating experience of my life. So does my friend, who owns
>this new laptop. She's asked me to reformat it and convert it back to
>Windows 7. At first I was dubious about this move, but after the last few
>days, I'm beginning to think that she is right. AFAICS, the whole concept
>behind this OS is asinine. As for tablets, Android on an Acer or Nexus 7 is
>lovely. On my trusty aging desktop, I have no plans to change anything,
>other than apply the usual Tuesday patches from MS. Sometimes I wish that I
>still had a DOS box and Clipper. That was a comfortable environment!
>
>
>On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 4:15 AM, Hans-Christian Andersen <
>hans.andersen at phulse.com > wrote:
>
>> I think you are disregarding the fact that Metro has been a failure for
>> Microsoft, because it was too much of a change for users to adapt to.
>> Someone got fired for that, if you recall.
>>
>> Also, the UI/UX of iOS is in the complete control of a designer.
>>
>> The jury is still very much out - even more so than ever.
>>
>> - Hans
>>\
<<< skipped >>>

From jon.tydda at lonza.com  Tue Jun 11 04:15:35 2013
From: jon.tydda at lonza.com (Tydda Jon - Slough)
Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2013 11:15:35 +0200
Subject: [dba-Tech] Skeuomorphic UIs are dead? Apple to follow MS Win8
 UI design principles with iOS7?
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1hV91CxqmF-qP+U8dwoP-hxbcn2LiBHk89C0WgKKW-AZg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <004f01ce667a$67d504e0$377f0ea0$@cactus.dk>
	<A976D25F-E218-47D4-89EA-4591C194F3ED@phulse.com>
	<CAEPJO1hV91CxqmF-qP+U8dwoP-hxbcn2LiBHk89C0WgKKW-AZg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2495B56EE0CF824A99F14B2492C85E5DF4AF352C@CHVEX07.lonzagroup.net>

Arthur

No need to reformat. Get yourself a copy of Classic Shell, and set it up how you want it. At least until SP1 is released, when they're going to give you the option to boot to desktop, and to have a start menu again.


Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 9:53 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Skeuomorphic UIs are dead? Apple to follow MS Win8 UI design principles with iOS7?

At the moment I have here a friend's new Dell laptop with Win8 installed, and I guess it was a good idea to retire, because I find this UI the most balling and frustrating experience of my life. So does my friend, who owns this new laptop. She's asked me to reformat it and convert it back to Windows 7. At first I was dubious about this move, but after the last few days, I'm beginning to think that she is right. AFAICS, the whole concept behind this OS is asinine. As for tablets, Android on an Acer or Nexus 7 is lovely. On my trusty aging desktop, I have no plans to change anything, other than apply the usual Tuesday patches from MS. Sometimes I wish that I still had a DOS box and Clipper. That was a comfortable environment!


On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 4:15 AM, Hans-Christian Andersen < hans.andersen at phulse.com> wrote:

> I think you are disregarding the fact that Metro has been a failure
> for Microsoft, because it was too much of a change for users to adapt to.
> Someone got fired for that, if you recall.
>
> Also, the UI/UX of iOS is in the complete control of a designer.
>
> The jury is still very much out - even more so than ever.
>
> - Hans
>
>
> On 2013-06-11, at 1:05 AM, "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
>
> > Hi Shamil
> >
> > Skeuomorphism sure looks dead. And thanks for that.
> >
> > After the introduction of Metro/Modern UI, I was convinced that in a
> > few
> years skeuomorphism would be so much yesterday.
> > The new design of iOS settles this.
> >
> > Now the Linux people are the left behinds ...
> >
> > /gustav
> >
> > -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> > Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:
> dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Salakhetdinov
> Shamil
> > Sendt: 11. juni 2013 08:54
> > Til: Discussion of Hardware and Softw
> > Emne: [dba-Tech] Skeuomorphic UIs are dead? Apple to follow MS Win8
> > UI
> design principles with iOS7?
> >
> >
> > Hi All --
> >
> > See subj questions and the following links:
> >
> > http://techcrunch.com/2013/06/10/apple-ios-7/
> >
> >
> http://techcrunch.com/2013/06/10/take-a-good-look-at-apples-new-ios-7-
> with-these-early-screenshots/
> >
> >
> http://techcrunch.com/2013/06/10/apples-flashlight-is-why-we-cant-fund
> -nice-dumb-things/
> >
> > etc.
> >
> > it looks like iOS7 is preparing for iOS8 to get running
> > transparently on
> "Apple Pince-nez"?...
> >
> >
> > --
> > ???????????? ??????
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > dba-Tech mailing list
> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
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>



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From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Tue Jun 11 04:19:42 2013
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2013 13:19:42 +0400
Subject: [dba-Tech]
 =?utf-8?q?Skeuomorphic_UIs_are_dead=3F_Apple_to_follow?=
 =?utf-8?q?_MS_Win8_UI_design_principles_with_iOS7=3F?=
In-Reply-To: <004f01ce667a$67d504e0$377f0ea0$@cactus.dk>
References: <004f01ce667a$67d504e0$377f0ea0$@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <1370942382.992132378@f415.i.mail.ru>

 Hi Gustav --

Yes, you're right. (I remember you corrected me when I was saying here that MS Win8 "Metro" UI was mainly caused by ARM hardware limitations - I was wrong).

>?Now the Linux people are the left behinds ...
Yes. But Android/Google Glass UI is another sample of a "non-intrusive" flat UI.
BTW, have you watched "Iron Man 3" movie? It's for kids, I have watched it recently with my son, just wanted t note that "Iron Man" in this movie uses something like "Enhanced Google Glass": and it looks useful - I'd not mind to have something like that :)

-- Shamil

Tuesday, June 11, 2013 10:05 AM +02:00 from "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>:
>Hi Shamil
>
>Skeuomorphism sure looks dead. And thanks for that.
>
>After the introduction of Metro/Modern UI, I was convinced that in a few years skeuomorphism would be so much yesterday.
>The new design of iOS settles this.
>
>Now the Linux people are the left behinds ...
>
>/gustav
>
>-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
>Fra:  dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Salakhetdinov Shamil
>Sendt: 11. juni 2013 08:54
>Til: Discussion of Hardware and Softw
>Emne: [dba-Tech] Skeuomorphic UIs are dead? Apple to follow MS Win8 UI design principles with iOS7?
>
>
>Hi All --
>
>See subj questions and the following links: 
>
>http://techcrunch.com/2013/06/10/apple-ios-7/
>
>http://techcrunch.com/2013/06/10/take-a-good-look-at-apples-new-ios-7-with-these-early-screenshots/
>
>http://techcrunch.com/2013/06/10/apples-flashlight-is-why-we-cant-fund-nice-dumb-things/
>
>etc.
>
>it looks like iOS7 is preparing for iOS8 to get running transparently on "Apple Pince-nez"?...
>
>
>-- 
>???????????? ??????
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>dba-Tech mailing list
>dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
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???????????? ??????

From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Tue Jun 11 04:26:50 2013
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2013 13:26:50 +0400
Subject: [dba-Tech]
 =?utf-8?q?Skeuomorphic_UIs_are_dead=3F_Apple_to_follow?=
 =?utf-8?q?_MS_Win8_UI_design_principles_with_iOS7=3F?=
In-Reply-To: <A976D25F-E218-47D4-89EA-4591C194F3ED@phulse.com>
References: <004f01ce667a$67d504e0$377f0ea0$@cactus.dk>
	<A976D25F-E218-47D4-89EA-4591C194F3ED@phulse.com>
Message-ID: <1370942810.276654458@f415.i.mail.ru>

 Hi Hans --

But have you read the article concerning iOS7 flat design I have posted in reply to Arthur's note on Win8 "Metro" UI? The article is about iOS7 developers' dilemma: "adapt their custom apps to iOS7 new UI or die":

"Apple Publishes iOS 7 Transition Guide To Help Developers Adopt Flat Design"
http://techcrunch.com/2013/06/10/apple-publishes-ios-7-transition-guide-to-help-developers-adopt-flat-design/

" As expected, Apple is? introducing ?a completely new design language for? iOS 7 . For developers, this means they will have to adapt their apps to match the rest of the operating system if they don?t want them to look antiquated. "


-- Shamil


Tuesday, June 11, 2013 1:15 AM -07:00 from Hans-Christian Andersen <hans.andersen at phulse.com>:
>I think you are disregarding the fact that Metro has been a failure for Microsoft, because it was too much of a change for users to adapt to. Someone got fired for that, if you recall.
>
>Also, the UI/UX of iOS is in the complete control of a designer.
>
>The jury is still very much out - even more so than ever.
>
>- Hans
>
>
>On 2013-06-11, at 1:05 AM, "Gustav Brock" < gustav at cactus.dk > wrote:
>
>> Hi Shamil
>> 
>> Skeuomorphism sure looks dead. And thanks for that.
>> 
>> After the introduction of Metro/Modern UI, I was convinced that in a few years skeuomorphism would be so much yesterday.
>> The new design of iOS settles this.
>> 
>> Now the Linux people are the left behinds ...
>> 
>> /gustav
>> 
>> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
>> Fra:  dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Salakhetdinov Shamil
>> Sendt: 11. juni 2013 08:54
>> Til: Discussion of Hardware and Softw
>> Emne: [dba-Tech] Skeuomorphic UIs are dead? Apple to follow MS Win8 UI design principles with iOS7?
>> 
>> 
>> Hi All --
>> 
>> See subj questions and the following links: 
>> 
>>  http://techcrunch.com/2013/06/10/apple-ios-7/
>> 
>>  http://techcrunch.com/2013/06/10/take-a-good-look-at-apples-new-ios-7-with-these-early-screenshots/
>> 
>>  http://techcrunch.com/2013/06/10/apples-flashlight-is-why-we-cant-fund-nice-dumb-things/
>> 
>> etc.
>> 
>> it looks like iOS7 is preparing for iOS8 to get running transparently on "Apple Pince-nez"?...
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> ???????????? ??????
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> dba-Tech mailing list
>>  dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>>  http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>> Website:  http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
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From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Tue Jun 11 04:53:00 2013
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2013 02:53:00 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Skeuomorphic UIs are dead? Apple to follow MS Win8
	UI design principles with iOS7?
In-Reply-To: <1370942810.276654458@f415.i.mail.ru>
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	<A976D25F-E218-47D4-89EA-4591C194F3ED@phulse.com>
	<1370942810.276654458@f415.i.mail.ru>
Message-ID: <ECE7BEA6-5EC4-450C-BA91-D33983FAE3FB@phulse.com>

Yes, but what are you trying to imply?

Best regards,
Hans-Christian Andersen


On 11 Jun 2013, at 02:26, Salakhetdinov Shamil <mcp2004 at mail.ru> wrote:

> Hi Hans --
> 
> But have you read the article concerning iOS7 flat design I have posted in reply to Arthur's note on Win8 "Metro" UI? The article is about iOS7 developers' dilemma: "adapt their custom apps to iOS7 new UI or die":
> 
> "Apple Publishes iOS 7 Transition Guide To Help Developers Adopt Flat Design"
> http://techcrunch.com/2013/06/10/apple-publishes-ios-7-transition-guide-to-help-developers-adopt-flat-design/
> 
> " As expected, Apple is  introducing  a completely new design language for  iOS 7 . For developers, this means they will have to adapt their apps to match the rest of the operating system if they don?t want them to look antiquated. "
> 
> 
> -- Shamil
> 
> 
> Tuesday, June 11, 2013 1:15 AM -07:00 from Hans-Christian Andersen <hans.andersen at phulse.com>:
>> I think you are disregarding the fact that Metro has been a failure for Microsoft, because it was too much of a change for users to adapt to. Someone got fired for that, if you recall.
>> 
>> Also, the UI/UX of iOS is in the complete control of a designer.
>> 
>> The jury is still very much out - even more so than ever.
>> 
>> - Hans
>> 
>> 
>> On 2013-06-11, at 1:05 AM, "Gustav Brock" < gustav at cactus.dk > wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Shamil
>>> 
>>> Skeuomorphism sure looks dead. And thanks for that.
>>> 
>>> After the introduction of Metro/Modern UI, I was convinced that in a few years skeuomorphism would be so much yesterday.
>>> The new design of iOS settles this.
>>> 
>>> Now the Linux people are the left behinds ...
>>> 
>>> /gustav
>>> 
>>> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
>>> Fra:  dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Salakhetdinov Shamil
>>> Sendt: 11. juni 2013 08:54
>>> Til: Discussion of Hardware and Softw
>>> Emne: [dba-Tech] Skeuomorphic UIs are dead? Apple to follow MS Win8 UI design principles with iOS7?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hi All --
>>> 
>>> See subj questions and the following links: 
>>> 
>>> http://techcrunch.com/2013/06/10/apple-ios-7/
>>> 
>>> http://techcrunch.com/2013/06/10/take-a-good-look-at-apples-new-ios-7-with-these-early-screenshots/
>>> 
>>> http://techcrunch.com/2013/06/10/apples-flashlight-is-why-we-cant-fund-nice-dumb-things/
>>> 
>>> etc.
>>> 
>>> it looks like iOS7 is preparing for iOS8 to get running transparently on "Apple Pince-nez"?...
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> ???????????? ??????
>>> 
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> dba-Tech mailing list
>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>>> Website:  http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
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>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>> Website:  http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 
> 
> -- 
> ???????????? ??????
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
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From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Tue Jun 11 05:02:12 2013
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2013 14:02:12 +0400
Subject: [dba-Tech]
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 =?utf-8?q?_MS_Win8_UI_design_principles_with_iOS7=3F?=
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References: <004f01ce667a$67d504e0$377f0ea0$@cactus.dk>
	<1370942810.276654458@f415.i.mail.ru>
	<ECE7BEA6-5EC4-450C-BA91-D33983FAE3FB@phulse.com>
Message-ID: <1370944932.279143584@f152.mail.ru>

 Hi Hans --

I just wanted to note that despite the fact that ?"the UI/UX of iOS is in the complete control of a designer" "they will have to adapt their apps to match the rest of the operating system if they don?t want them to look antiquated."

-- Shamil


Tuesday, June 11, 2013 2:53 AM -07:00 from Hans-Christian Andersen <hans.andersen at phulse.com>:
>Yes, but what are you trying to imply?
>
>Best regards,
>Hans-Christian Andersen
>
>
>On 11 Jun 2013, at 02:26, Salakhetdinov Shamil < mcp2004 at mail.ru > wrote:
>
>> Hi Hans --
>> 
>> But have you read the article concerning iOS7 flat design I have posted in reply to Arthur's note on Win8 "Metro" UI? The article is about iOS7 developers' dilemma: "adapt their custom apps to iOS7 new UI or die":
>> 
>> "Apple Publishes iOS 7 Transition Guide To Help Developers Adopt Flat Design"
>>  http://techcrunch.com/2013/06/10/apple-publishes-ios-7-transition-guide-to-help-developers-adopt-flat-design/
>> 
>> " As expected, Apple is  introducing  a completely new design language for  iOS 7 . For developers, this means they will have to adapt their apps to match the rest of the operating system if they don?t want them to look antiquated. "
>> 
>> 
>> -- Shamil
>> 
>> 
>> Tuesday, June 11, 2013 1:15 AM -07:00 from Hans-Christian Andersen < hans.andersen at phulse.com >:
>>> I think you are disregarding the fact that Metro has been a failure for Microsoft, because it was too much of a change for users to adapt to. Someone got fired for that, if you recall.
>>> 
>>> Also, the UI/UX of iOS is in the complete control of a designer.
>>> 
>>> The jury is still very much out - even more so than ever.
>>> 
>>> - Hans
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 2013-06-11, at 1:05 AM, "Gustav Brock" <  gustav at cactus.dk > wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi Shamil
>>>> 
>>>> Skeuomorphism sure looks dead. And thanks for that.
>>>> 
>>>> After the introduction of Metro/Modern UI, I was convinced that in a few years skeuomorphism would be so much yesterday.
>>>> The new design of iOS settles this.
>>>> 
>>>> Now the Linux people are the left behinds ...
>>>> 
>>>> /gustav
>>>> 
>>>> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
>>>> Fra:  dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Salakhetdinov Shamil
>>>> Sendt: 11. juni 2013 08:54
>>>> Til: Discussion of Hardware and Softw
>>>> Emne: [dba-Tech] Skeuomorphic UIs are dead? Apple to follow MS Win8 UI design principles with iOS7?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Hi All --
>>>> 
>>>> See subj questions and the following links: 
>>>> 
>>>>  http://techcrunch.com/2013/06/10/apple-ios-7/
>>>> 
>>>>  http://techcrunch.com/2013/06/10/take-a-good-look-at-apples-new-ios-7-with-these-early-screenshots/
>>>> 
>>>>  http://techcrunch.com/2013/06/10/apples-flashlight-is-why-we-cant-fund-nice-dumb-things/
>>>> 
>>>> etc.
>>>> 
>>>> it looks like iOS7 is preparing for iOS8 to get running transparently on "Apple Pince-nez"?...
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -- 
>>>> ???????????? ??????
>>>>? <<< skipped >>>
>


From gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Jun 11 05:22:21 2013
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2013 12:22:21 +0200
Subject: [dba-Tech] Skeuomorphic UIs are dead? Apple to follow MS Win8
	UI design principles with iOS7?
Message-ID: <007401ce668d$96f8c230$c4ea4690$@cactus.dk>

Hi Shamil

No, I read about Iron Man 3, but it hasn't reached my shortlist. I'll move it up!

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Salakhetdinov Shamil
Sendt: 11. juni 2013 11:20
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Skeuomorphic UIs are dead? Apple to follow MS Win8 UI design principles with iOS7?

 Hi Gustav --

Yes, you're right. (I remember you corrected me when I was saying here that MS Win8 "Metro" UI was mainly caused by ARM hardware limitations - I was wrong).

> Now the Linux people are the left behinds ...
Yes. But Android/Google Glass UI is another sample of a "non-intrusive" flat UI.
BTW, have you watched "Iron Man 3" movie? It's for kids, I have watched it recently with my son, just wanted t note that "Iron Man" in this movie uses something like "Enhanced Google Glass": and it looks useful - I'd not mind to have something like that :)

-- Shamil

Tuesday, June 11, 2013 10:05 AM +02:00 from "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>:
>Hi Shamil
>
>Skeuomorphism sure looks dead. And thanks for that.
>
>After the introduction of Metro/Modern UI, I was convinced that in a few years skeuomorphism would be so much yesterday.
>The new design of iOS settles this.
>
>Now the Linux people are the left behinds ...
>
>/gustav
>
>-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
>Fra:  dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Salakhetdinov Shamil
>Sendt: 11. juni 2013 08:54
>Til: Discussion of Hardware and Softw
>Emne: [dba-Tech] Skeuomorphic UIs are dead? Apple to follow MS Win8 UI design principles with iOS7?
>
>
>Hi All --
>
>See subj questions and the following links: 
>
>http://techcrunch.com/2013/06/10/apple-ios-7/
>
>http://techcrunch.com/2013/06/10/take-a-good-look-at-apples-new-ios-7-with-these-early-screenshots/
>
>http://techcrunch.com/2013/06/10/apples-flashlight-is-why-we-cant-fund-nice-dumb-things/
>
>etc.
>
>it looks like iOS7 is preparing for iOS8 to get running transparently on "Apple Pince-nez"?...
>
>
>-- 
>???????????? ?????? 



From gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Jun 11 05:31:08 2013
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2013 12:31:08 +0200
Subject: [dba-Tech] Skeuomorphic UIs are dead? Apple to follow MS Win8
	UI design principles with iOS7?
Message-ID: <007601ce668e$d0930bd0$71b92370$@cactus.dk>

Hi Shamil

This sentence deserves standing ovations at the next meeting in the local
club of Public Relation professionals:

As Apple notes, iOS 7 provides ?a rare opportunity to revisit the way apps
communicate their core purpose and functionality to users.?

Read it twice. If you can write like that, you can make a fortune.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Salakhetdinov
Shamil
Sendt: 11. juni 2013 11:08
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Skeuomorphic UIs are dead? Apple to follow MS Win8 UI
design principles with iOS7?

 Hi Arthur --

You and your friend better adapt - that seems to be the mainstream trend:

"Apple Publishes iOS 7 Transition Guide To Help Developers Adopt Flat
Design"
http://techcrunch.com/2013/06/10/apple-publishes-ios-7-transition-guide-to-h
elp-developers-adopt-flat-design/


-- Shamil 



From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Tue Jun 11 06:08:38 2013
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2013 15:08:38 +0400
Subject: [dba-Tech]
 =?utf-8?q?Skeuomorphic_UIs_are_dead=3F_Apple_to_follow?=
 =?utf-8?q?_MS_Win8_UI_design_principles_with_iOS7=3F?=
In-Reply-To: <007601ce668e$d0930bd0$71b92370$@cactus.dk>
References: <007601ce668e$d0930bd0$71b92370$@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <1370948918.800280153@f358.mail.ru>

 Hi Gustav --

Yes, it does - "aesopian language" skills in action - very demanded in politics and corporate businesses.

-- Shamil

Tuesday, June 11, 2013 12:31 PM +02:00 from "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>:
>Hi Shamil
>
>This sentence deserves standing ovations at the next meeting in the local
>club of Public Relation professionals:
>
>As Apple notes, iOS 7 provides ?a rare opportunity to revisit the way apps
>communicate their core purpose and functionality to users.?
>
>Read it twice. If you can write like that, you can make a fortune.
>
>/gustav
>
>-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
>Fra:  dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Salakhetdinov
>Shamil
>Sendt: 11. juni 2013 11:08
>Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Skeuomorphic UIs are dead? Apple to follow MS Win8 UI
>design principles with iOS7?
>
>?Hi Arthur --
>
>You and your friend better adapt - that seems to be the mainstream trend:
>
>"Apple Publishes iOS 7 Transition Guide To Help Developers Adopt Flat
>Design"
>http://techcrunch.com/2013/06/10/apple-publishes-ios-7-transition-guide-to-h
>elp-developers-adopt-flat-design/
>
>
>-- Shamil 
>
>
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Jun 11 10:13:37 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2013 08:13:37 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Migration to Linux
In-Reply-To: <1370934807.68627675@f98.mail.ru>
References: <000001ce666c$8f77fe70$ae67fb50$@cactus.dk>
	<1370934807.68627675@f98.mail.ru>
Message-ID: <DDEF3882E4A3468DB3941E392BD0E5AC@server2003>

Hi Shamil

It is much more than that, especially here.

A young computer graduate, had better be well versed in whole technology
sphere if he or she is planning to make a career of it. It was not more than
ten years ago that anyone could just become an expert in the world of
Microsoft and they were guaranteed longterm employment. That is not the way
it is today. A new tech had better know the internet, all the related
development tools and the main operating systems. Microsoft is only a part
(30 percent or less) of the new environment and a shrinking one at that.

As for "solid" and reliable or playing it safe, I would find great
difficulty in stating one environment or product is more stable than the
other.

Aside: the thing that makes this trend amusing is that living so close to
Redmond, Washington, the sales people here have had great difficulty holding
on to their major clients like governments and big businesses. Obviously the
MS sales teams in both Denmark and Russia have been superior in retaining
their core clients.  

Jim        

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov
Shamil
Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 12:13 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Migration to Linux

 Hi Gustav, Jim and Hans --

>?You are making too wide conclusions or assumptions
> from my short answer to Jim's original question
Yes.

>?I love my home country, but it seems quite true 
> that danes (and scandinavians in general) like to play it safe.
I'd say ?that "danes and (scandinavians in general)" like to make?and use
"solid" (firm, lasting, reliable...) things - and making "solid" things is
quite different from "playing safe" IMO.
And that sentence above is my general observation - it has nothing related
to " 'MS Windows vs. Linux' great debates"....

-- Shamil

Tuesday, June 11, 2013 8:26 AM +02:00 from "Gustav Brock"
<gustav at cactus.dk>:
>Hi Jim and Hans
>
>It's not so. It's not black/white or blue/yellow. We do have a vivid Linux
community.
>You are making too wide conclusions or assumptions from my short answer to
Jim's original question.
>
>/gustav
>
>
>-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
>Fra:  dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Hans-Christian
Andersen
>Sendt: 11. juni 2013 08:12
>Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Migration to Linux
>
>I love my home country, but it seems quite true that danes (and
scandinavians in general) like to play it safe.
>
>- Hans
>
>
>On 2013-06-10, at 10:55 PM, "Jim Lawrence" < accessd at shaw.ca > wrote:
>
>> Hi Gustav:
>> 
>> No wonder you and Shamil are so confident on the continued dominance 
>> of Microsoft. Both your regions are solid MS OS enclaves.
>> 
>> It is not like that here, where there is a very mixed support for a 
>> host of different products and operating systems.
>> 
>> Jim
<<< skipped >>>
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Jun 11 10:27:18 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2013 08:27:18 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Skeuomorphic UIs are dead? Apple to follow MS Win8
	UI design principles with iOS7?
In-Reply-To: <1370933661.37949356@f98.mail.ru>
References: <1370933661.37949356@f98.mail.ru>
Message-ID: <B6F2A10D2B854C049851FBFC3B6DFA4A@server2003>

Hi Shamil:

I have been watching this new development with some interest and with a bit
of amusement. I am not sure what to think but the trend towards
minimalization continues.

Now if the new Apple products are embraced with enthusiasm it be even more
interesting. What does that say about Microsoft...but then Apple, at the
moment, is just changing it phone design and as noted Microsoft has been
doing well with customer satisfaction to their phones.

Now the next step is to see if tablets and PC interfaces change. 

Jim 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov
Shamil
Sent: Monday, June 10, 2013 11:54 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Softw
Subject: [dba-Tech] Skeuomorphic UIs are dead? Apple to follow MS Win8 UI
design principles with iOS7?


Hi All --

See subj questions and the following links:?

http://techcrunch.com/2013/06/10/apple-ios-7/

http://techcrunch.com/2013/06/10/take-a-good-look-at-apples-new-ios-7-with-t
hese-early-screenshots/

http://techcrunch.com/2013/06/10/apples-flashlight-is-why-we-cant-fund-nice-
dumb-things/ ?

etc.

it looks like iOS7 is preparing for iOS8 to get running transparently on
"Apple Pince-nez"?...


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From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Jun 11 10:28:43 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2013 08:28:43 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Migration to Linux
In-Reply-To: <000001ce666c$8f77fe70$ae67fb50$@cactus.dk>
References: <000001ce666c$8f77fe70$ae67fb50$@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <FDA3DA282FDD4BC3A3A5F0E61FBD0ECE@server2003>

Hi Gustav:

I expanded on my statement in a post that was addressed to Shamil.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Monday, June 10, 2013 11:26 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Migration to Linux

Hi Jim and Hans

It's not so. It's not black/white or blue/yellow. We do have a vivid Linux
community.
You are making too wide conclusions or assumptions from my short answer to
Jim's original question.

/gustav


-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Hans-Christian
Andersen
Sendt: 11. juni 2013 08:12
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Migration to Linux

I love my home country, but it seems quite true that danes (and
scandinavians in general) like to play it safe.

- Hans


On 2013-06-10, at 10:55 PM, "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> Hi Gustav:
> 
> No wonder you and Shamil are so confident on the continued dominance 
> of Microsoft. Both your regions are solid MS OS enclaves.
> 
> It is not like that here, where there is a very mixed support for a 
> host of different products and operating systems.
> 
> Jim
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav 
> Brock
> Sent: Monday, June 10, 2013 5:18 AM
> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Migration to Linux
> 
> Hi Jim
> 
> No. Regarding desktops, Denmark is a Microsoft country - and a little Mac.
> Not 100%, of course, but still.
> 
> /gustav
> 
> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Jim 
> Lawrence
> Sendt: 10. juni 2013 09:24
> Til: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
> Emne: [dba-Tech] Migration to Linux
> 
> Hi All:
> 
> 
> 
> About ten years in the making Munich Germany has finally migrated 
> completely to Linux. Many other cities have been watching this unfold 
> and will be deciding which way to progress in the future.
> 
> 
> 
>
http://joinup.ec.europa.eu/community/osor/news/city-munich-migration-sustain
able-desktop-completed-successfully
> 
> 
> 
> Can I assume Saint Petersburg and Copenhagen will be following suit,
shortly? ;-)
> 
> 
> 
> Jim 


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From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Jun 11 10:43:31 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2013 08:43:31 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Skeuomorphic UIs are dead? Apple to follow MS Win8UI
	design principles with iOS7?
In-Reply-To: <004f01ce667a$67d504e0$377f0ea0$@cactus.dk>
References: <004f01ce667a$67d504e0$377f0ea0$@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <4C153C73A3B84BD0813E024D8A177675@server2003>

Hi Gustav:

It is not Linux, that is just the core, it is the many distros that are available. You can pick and choose and then tweak to you hearts content.

You can have your old style "raised" interface or have it flattened, it is all up to you, as a user or service/support tech. Just a one line script or a few clicks can change your entire UI. That is the beauty of using this OS environment....there are unlimited choices. 

The only thing that is missing on the PC versions are the gesturing controls but no one uses gesturing controls on a PC, do they? ;-) 

Jim   

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 1:05 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Skeuomorphic UIs are dead? Apple to follow MS Win8UI design principles with iOS7?

Hi Shamil

Skeuomorphism sure looks dead. And thanks for that.

After the introduction of Metro/Modern UI, I was convinced that in a few years skeuomorphism would be so much yesterday.
The new design of iOS settles this.

Now the Linux people are the left behinds ...

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Salakhetdinov Shamil
Sendt: 11. juni 2013 08:54
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Softw
Emne: [dba-Tech] Skeuomorphic UIs are dead? Apple to follow MS Win8 UI design principles with iOS7?


Hi All --

See subj questions and the following links: 

http://techcrunch.com/2013/06/10/apple-ios-7/

http://techcrunch.com/2013/06/10/take-a-good-look-at-apples-new-ios-7-with-these-early-screenshots/

http://techcrunch.com/2013/06/10/apples-flashlight-is-why-we-cant-fund-nice-dumb-things/  

etc.

it looks like iOS7 is preparing for iOS8 to get running transparently on "Apple Pince-nez"?...


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From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Jun 11 10:51:58 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2013 08:51:58 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Skeuomorphic UIs are dead? Apple to follow MS Win8UI
	design principles with iOS7?
In-Reply-To: <A976D25F-E218-47D4-89EA-4591C194F3ED@phulse.com>
References: <004f01ce667a$67d504e0$377f0ea0$@cactus.dk>
	<A976D25F-E218-47D4-89EA-4591C194F3ED@phulse.com>
Message-ID: <79268412825B41ADB061C0330F090E9C@server2003>

Hi Hans:

The whole problem with the Metro UI was that it was installed on the PC. That was not the environment for it. Phone definitely and tablet maybe but not the PC. 

IMHO one UI for everything is just plain silly. Most users of Windows8, just switch to the old UI and continue working which just makes Metro a waste as far as a PC is concerned. 

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hans-Christian Andersen
Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 1:16 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Skeuomorphic UIs are dead? Apple to follow MS Win8UI design principles with iOS7?

I think you are disregarding the fact that Metro has been a failure for Microsoft, because it was too much of a change for users to adapt to. Someone got fired for that, if you recall.

Also, the UI/UX of iOS is in the complete control of a designer.

The jury is still very much out - even more so than ever.

- Hans


On 2013-06-11, at 1:05 AM, "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Hi Shamil
> 
> Skeuomorphism sure looks dead. And thanks for that.
> 
> After the introduction of Metro/Modern UI, I was convinced that in a few years skeuomorphism would be so much yesterday.
> The new design of iOS settles this.
> 
> Now the Linux people are the left behinds ...
> 
> /gustav
> 
> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Salakhetdinov Shamil
> Sendt: 11. juni 2013 08:54
> Til: Discussion of Hardware and Softw
> Emne: [dba-Tech] Skeuomorphic UIs are dead? Apple to follow MS Win8 UI design principles with iOS7?
> 
> 
> Hi All --
> 
> See subj questions and the following links: 
> 
> http://techcrunch.com/2013/06/10/apple-ios-7/
> 
> http://techcrunch.com/2013/06/10/take-a-good-look-at-apples-new-ios-7-with-these-early-screenshots/
> 
> http://techcrunch.com/2013/06/10/apples-flashlight-is-why-we-cant-fund-nice-dumb-things/  
> 
> etc.
> 
> it looks like iOS7 is preparing for iOS8 to get running transparently on "Apple Pince-nez"?...
> 
> 
> -- 
> ???????????? ??????
> 
> 
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Tue Jun 11 10:53:48 2013
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2013 08:53:48 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Network Password
Message-ID: <3B14741A5BED4AECBD3EC791EF291370@HAL9007>

Dear Lists:
 
Time to figure this out.  I am trying to get my laptop - which I only use
for travel - to talk to my primary box so I can upload stuff I need to take
with me.  I've been working around this for a long time by copying to my
external HD and plugging that into the LT.  But that's soooo unprofessional.
 
When I try to connect to the main box from the LT or from the LT to the main
box I get a dialog box asking me to Enter Network User Name and Password but
I have no idea what this could be.  Main box does not have a login, just
fires right up - LT has a login - user name and password, but that does not
work as credentials on either box.
 
Any ideas how to find the Network User Name and Password?
 
MTIA
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> 
www.e-z-mrp.com <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/> 
Skype: rocky.smolin
 

From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Tue Jun 11 10:54:33 2013
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2013 16:54:33 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Apple to follow MS Win8UI
Message-ID: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB082959C55DD25B9@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk>

Jim

My feeling as well. Phone and tablet absolutely. PC - not much use. 

Martin


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: 11 June 2013 16:52
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Skeuomorphic UIs are dead? Apple to follow MS Win8UI design principles with iOS7?

Hi Hans:

The whole problem with the Metro UI was that it was installed on the PC. That was not the environment for it. Phone definitely and tablet maybe but not the PC. 

IMHO one UI for everything is just plain silly. Most users of Windows8, just switch to the old UI and continue working which just makes Metro a waste as far as a PC is concerned. 

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hans-Christian Andersen
Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 1:16 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Skeuomorphic UIs are dead? Apple to follow MS Win8UI design principles with iOS7?

I think you are disregarding the fact that Metro has been a failure for Microsoft, because it was too much of a change for users to adapt to. Someone got fired for that, if you recall.

Also, the UI/UX of iOS is in the complete control of a designer.

The jury is still very much out - even more so than ever.

- Hans


On 2013-06-11, at 1:05 AM, "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Hi Shamil
> 
> Skeuomorphism sure looks dead. And thanks for that.
> 
> After the introduction of Metro/Modern UI, I was convinced that in a few years skeuomorphism would be so much yesterday.
> The new design of iOS settles this.
> 
> Now the Linux people are the left behinds ...
> 
> /gustav
> 
> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Salakhetdinov Shamil
> Sendt: 11. juni 2013 08:54
> Til: Discussion of Hardware and Softw
> Emne: [dba-Tech] Skeuomorphic UIs are dead? Apple to follow MS Win8 UI design principles with iOS7?
> 
> 
> Hi All --
> 
> See subj questions and the following links: 
> 
> http://techcrunch.com/2013/06/10/apple-ios-7/
> 
> http://techcrunch.com/2013/06/10/take-a-good-look-at-apples-new-ios-7-with-these-early-screenshots/
> 
> http://techcrunch.com/2013/06/10/apples-flashlight-is-why-we-cant-fund-nice-dumb-things/  
> 
> etc.
> 
> it looks like iOS7 is preparing for iOS8 to get running transparently on "Apple Pince-nez"?...
> 
> 
> -- 
> ???????????? ??????
> 
> 
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From jon.tydda at lonza.com  Tue Jun 11 10:59:32 2013
From: jon.tydda at lonza.com (Tydda Jon - Slough)
Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2013 17:59:32 +0200
Subject: [dba-Tech] Network Password
In-Reply-To: <3B14741A5BED4AECBD3EC791EF291370@HAL9007>
References: <3B14741A5BED4AECBD3EC791EF291370@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <2495B56EE0CF824A99F14B2492C85E5DF4AF387B@CHVEX07.lonzagroup.net>

It'll be the name of the main box followed by the username you created when you set it up, so \\mainbox\username, and then I guess, no password.

You can find out the name of the computer by looking in Computer Properties, and the username by checking the local users bit on Control Panels.

If it doesn't like not having a password, you can always create one, and then set an autologin on the box to put the password in for you without any prompting.


Jon
-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 4:54 PM
To: List; 'Off Topic'
Subject: [dba-Tech] Network Password

Dear Lists:

Time to figure this out.  I am trying to get my laptop - which I only use for travel - to talk to my primary box so I can upload stuff I need to take with me.  I've been working around this for a long time by copying to my external HD and plugging that into the LT.  But that's soooo unprofessional.

When I try to connect to the main box from the LT or from the LT to the main box I get a dialog box asking me to Enter Network User Name and Password but I have no idea what this could be.  Main box does not have a login, just fires right up - LT has a login - user name and password, but that does not work as credentials on either box.

Any ideas how to find the Network User Name and Password?

MTIA

Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
Skype: rocky.smolin

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Jun 11 11:09:08 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2013 09:09:08 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] The computer market trends.
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1hV91CxqmF-qP+U8dwoP-hxbcn2LiBHk89C0WgKKW-AZg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <004f01ce667a$67d504e0$377f0ea0$@cactus.dk><A976D25F-E218-47D4-89EA-4591C194F3ED@phulse.com>
	<CAEPJO1hV91CxqmF-qP+U8dwoP-hxbcn2LiBHk89C0WgKKW-AZg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <529611FBC3C94D0A8EA3264EA51EAD11@server2003>

Hi all:

Many years ago, the mainframe was the center of everything and everyone just
connected to it via a dumb terminal. Everything was done and controlled from
the main server. 

Then entered the world of the PC. The personal computer allowed their users
a real autonomy, to build an environment, to a user's exact specifications.
The user would be able to pick and choose what software they wanted or
needed for work and then they could do what ever they wanted. This gave a
user almost complete personal freedom.

But that has been changing in the last few years. The browser interface, the
Cloud, off-line storage, subscription software and always having to be
tethered to a corporation via the internet to be able to work or even have
your computer work.

It is all wonderful technology but I for one do not want to be just the user
of a dumb terminal. I thought that whole world was over...who would have
thought that the personal computer was just a passing trend.

Jim     


From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Jun 11 11:13:17 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2013 09:13:17 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Skeuomorphic UIs are dead? Apple to follow MS Win8
	UI design principles with iOS7?
In-Reply-To: <1370942382.992132378@f415.i.mail.ru>
References: <004f01ce667a$67d504e0$377f0ea0$@cactus.dk>
	<1370942382.992132378@f415.i.mail.ru>
Message-ID: <5CDAA98E4BCC40F887298011C657F215@server2003>

Hi Shamil:

That "Iron Man" interface is sure nice but I am afraid it will be a few years before a screen just pops up in the middle of the air.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov Shamil
Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 2:20 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Skeuomorphic UIs are dead? Apple to follow MS Win8 UI design principles with iOS7?

 Hi Gustav --

Yes, you're right. (I remember you corrected me when I was saying here that MS Win8 "Metro" UI was mainly caused by ARM hardware limitations - I was wrong).

> Now the Linux people are the left behinds ...
Yes. But Android/Google Glass UI is another sample of a "non-intrusive" flat UI.
BTW, have you watched "Iron Man 3" movie? It's for kids, I have watched it recently with my son, just wanted t note that "Iron Man" in this movie uses something like "Enhanced Google Glass": and it looks useful - I'd not mind to have something like that :)

-- Shamil

Tuesday, June 11, 2013 10:05 AM +02:00 from "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>:
>Hi Shamil
>
>Skeuomorphism sure looks dead. And thanks for that.
>
>After the introduction of Metro/Modern UI, I was convinced that in a few years skeuomorphism would be so much yesterday.
>The new design of iOS settles this.
>
>Now the Linux people are the left behinds ...
>
>/gustav
>
>-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
>Fra:  dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Salakhetdinov Shamil
>Sendt: 11. juni 2013 08:54
>Til: Discussion of Hardware and Softw
>Emne: [dba-Tech] Skeuomorphic UIs are dead? Apple to follow MS Win8 UI design principles with iOS7?
>
>
>Hi All --
>
>See subj questions and the following links: 
>
>http://techcrunch.com/2013/06/10/apple-ios-7/
>
>http://techcrunch.com/2013/06/10/take-a-good-look-at-apples-new-ios-7-with-these-early-screenshots/
>
>http://techcrunch.com/2013/06/10/apples-flashlight-is-why-we-cant-fund-nice-dumb-things/
>
>etc.
>
>it looks like iOS7 is preparing for iOS8 to get running transparently on "Apple Pince-nez"?...
>
>
>-- 
>???????????? ??????
>
>
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Tue Jun 11 11:56:25 2013
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2013 09:56:25 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Network Password
In-Reply-To: <2495B56EE0CF824A99F14B2492C85E5DF4AF387B@CHVEX07.lonzagroup.net>
References: <3B14741A5BED4AECBD3EC791EF291370@HAL9007>
	<2495B56EE0CF824A99F14B2492C85E5DF4AF387B@CHVEX07.lonzagroup.net>
Message-ID: <94AC96037CF84E4DB62119A6B5F3C22E@HAL9007>

Closer, I think.  From Main Box the LT shows on the Network.  LT has a user
name and password login so I enter \\DELLLAPTOP\Rocky and the password, but
get an error \\DELLLAPTOP is not accessible.  You might not have permission
to use this network resource.  And the: The specified username is invalid.

Any ideas?
 
R
	
P.S. Get pretty much the same result trying to login to main box from LT.
-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tydda Jon -
Slough
Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 9:00 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Network Password

It'll be the name of the main box followed by the username you created when
you set it up, so \\mainbox\username, and then I guess, no password.

You can find out the name of the computer by looking in Computer Properties,
and the username by checking the local users bit on Control Panels.

If it doesn't like not having a password, you can always create one, and
then set an autologin on the box to put the password in for you without any
prompting.


Jon
-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 4:54 PM
To: List; 'Off Topic'
Subject: [dba-Tech] Network Password

Dear Lists:

Time to figure this out.  I am trying to get my laptop - which I only use
for travel - to talk to my primary box so I can upload stuff I need to take
with me.  I've been working around this for a long time by copying to my
external HD and plugging that into the LT.  But that's soooo unprofessional.

When I try to connect to the main box from the LT or from the LT to the main
box I get a dialog box asking me to Enter Network User Name and Password but
I have no idea what this could be.  Main box does not have a login, just
fires right up - LT has a login - user name and password, but that does not
work as credentials on either box.

Any ideas how to find the Network User Name and Password?

MTIA

Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com
<http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
Skype: rocky.smolin

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From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Tue Jun 11 12:03:01 2013
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2013 10:03:01 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Skeuomorphic UIs are dead? Apple to follow MS Win8
	UI design principles with iOS7?
In-Reply-To: <1370944932.279143584@f152.mail.ru>
References: <004f01ce667a$67d504e0$377f0ea0$@cactus.dk>
	<1370942810.276654458@f415.i.mail.ru>
	<ECE7BEA6-5EC4-450C-BA91-D33983FAE3FB@phulse.com>
	<1370944932.279143584@f152.mail.ru>
Message-ID: <8E9CBDBD-560E-49E8-84F4-F4A47034FE42@phulse.com>

In regards to this, I'd like to point out that Apple is not changing their desktop os, OS X, to using a flat UI.

- Hans


On 2013-06-11, at 3:02 AM, Salakhetdinov Shamil <mcp2004 at mail.ru> wrote:

> Hi Hans --
> 
> I just wanted to note that despite the fact that  "the UI/UX of iOS is in the complete control of a designer" "they will have to adapt their apps to match the rest of the operating system if they don?t want them to look antiquated."
> 
> -- Shamil
> 
> 
> Tuesday, June 11, 2013 2:53 AM -07:00 from Hans-Christian Andersen <hans.andersen at phulse.com>:
>> Yes, but what are you trying to imply?
>> 
>> Best regards,
>> Hans-Christian Andersen
>> 
>> 
>> On 11 Jun 2013, at 02:26, Salakhetdinov Shamil < mcp2004 at mail.ru > wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Hans --
>>> 
>>> But have you read the article concerning iOS7 flat design I have posted in reply to Arthur's note on Win8 "Metro" UI? The article is about iOS7 developers' dilemma: "adapt their custom apps to iOS7 new UI or die":
>>> 
>>> "Apple Publishes iOS 7 Transition Guide To Help Developers Adopt Flat Design"
>>> http://techcrunch.com/2013/06/10/apple-publishes-ios-7-transition-guide-to-help-developers-adopt-flat-design/
>>> 
>>> " As expected, Apple is  introducing  a completely new design language for  iOS 7 . For developers, this means they will have to adapt their apps to match the rest of the operating system if they don?t want them to look antiquated. "
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -- Shamil
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Tuesday, June 11, 2013 1:15 AM -07:00 from Hans-Christian Andersen < hans.andersen at phulse.com >:
>>>> I think you are disregarding the fact that Metro has been a failure for Microsoft, because it was too much of a change for users to adapt to. Someone got fired for that, if you recall.
>>>> 
>>>> Also, the UI/UX of iOS is in the complete control of a designer.
>>>> 
>>>> The jury is still very much out - even more so than ever.
>>>> 
>>>> - Hans
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 2013-06-11, at 1:05 AM, "Gustav Brock" <  gustav at cactus.dk > wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Shamil
>>>>> 
>>>>> Skeuomorphism sure looks dead. And thanks for that.
>>>>> 
>>>>> After the introduction of Metro/Modern UI, I was convinced that in a few years skeuomorphism would be so much yesterday.
>>>>> The new design of iOS settles this.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Now the Linux people are the left behinds ...
>>>>> 
>>>>> /gustav
>>>>> 
>>>>> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
>>>>> Fra:  dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Salakhetdinov Shamil
>>>>> Sendt: 11. juni 2013 08:54
>>>>> Til: Discussion of Hardware and Softw
>>>>> Emne: [dba-Tech] Skeuomorphic UIs are dead? Apple to follow MS Win8 UI design principles with iOS7?
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi All --
>>>>> 
>>>>> See subj questions and the following links: 
>>>>> 
>>>>> http://techcrunch.com/2013/06/10/apple-ios-7/
>>>>> 
>>>>> http://techcrunch.com/2013/06/10/take-a-good-look-at-apples-new-ios-7-with-these-early-screenshots/
>>>>> 
>>>>> http://techcrunch.com/2013/06/10/apples-flashlight-is-why-we-cant-fund-nice-dumb-things/
>>>>> 
>>>>> etc.
>>>>> 
>>>>> it looks like iOS7 is preparing for iOS8 to get running transparently on "Apple Pince-nez"?...
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> -- 
>>>>> ???????????? ??????
>>>>>   <<< skipped >>>
> 
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From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Tue Jun 11 12:08:27 2013
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2013 10:08:27 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Skeuomorphic UIs are dead? Apple to follow MS Win8
	UI design principles with iOS7?
In-Reply-To: <007601ce668e$d0930bd0$71b92370$@cactus.dk>
References: <007601ce668e$d0930bd0$71b92370$@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <32D920DA-041D-4AB1-8C0A-EA1E52D91932@phulse.com>

Which is something other tech companies never do. After all, Windows 7 was your idea. ;)

- Hans


On 2013-06-11, at 3:31 AM, "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Hi Shamil
> 
> This sentence deserves standing ovations at the next meeting in the local
> club of Public Relation professionals:
> 
> As Apple notes, iOS 7 provides ?a rare opportunity to revisit the way apps
> communicate their core purpose and functionality to users.?
> 
> Read it twice. If you can write like that, you can make a fortune.
> 
> /gustav
> 
> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Salakhetdinov
> Shamil
> Sendt: 11. juni 2013 11:08
> Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Skeuomorphic UIs are dead? Apple to follow MS Win8 UI
> design principles with iOS7?
> 
> Hi Arthur --
> 
> You and your friend better adapt - that seems to be the mainstream trend:
> 
> "Apple Publishes iOS 7 Transition Guide To Help Developers Adopt Flat
> Design"
> http://techcrunch.com/2013/06/10/apple-publishes-ios-7-transition-guide-to-h
> elp-developers-adopt-flat-design/
> 
> 
> -- Shamil 
> 
> 
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From jbartow at winhaven.net  Tue Jun 11 12:21:00 2013
From: jbartow at winhaven.net (jbartow at winhaven.net)
Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2013 12:21:00 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Network Password
In-Reply-To: <3B14741A5BED4AECBD3EC791EF291370@HAL9007>
References: <3B14741A5BED4AECBD3EC791EF291370@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <011a01ce66c8$0b10b620$21322260$@winhaven.net>

What OS is on each?

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 10:54 AM
To: List; 'Off Topic'
Subject: [dba-Tech] Network Password

Dear Lists:
 
Time to figure this out.  I am trying to get my laptop - which I only use
for travel - to talk to my primary box so I can upload stuff I need to take
with me.  I've been working around this for a long time by copying to my
external HD and plugging that into the LT.  But that's soooo unprofessional.
 
When I try to connect to the main box from the LT or from the LT to the main
box I get a dialog box asking me to Enter Network User Name and Password but
I have no idea what this could be.  Main box does not have a login, just
fires right up - LT has a login - user name and password, but that does not
work as credentials on either box.
 
Any ideas how to find the Network User Name and Password?
 
MTIA
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> 
www.e-z-mrp.com <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/> 
Skype: rocky.smolin
 
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Tue Jun 11 12:26:08 2013
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2013 10:26:08 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Network Password
In-Reply-To: <011a01ce66c8$0b10b620$21322260$@winhaven.net>
References: <3B14741A5BED4AECBD3EC791EF291370@HAL9007>
	<011a01ce66c8$0b10b620$21322260$@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <FA9A20382C884A6DB55DD2526A522AC9@HAL9007>

Windows 7 Ultimate. I have another box on the network and have no problem
passing files back and forth.  No login requested.  Don't know why.

R


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
jbartow at winhaven.net
Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 10:21 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Network Password

What OS is on each?

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 10:54 AM
To: List; 'Off Topic'
Subject: [dba-Tech] Network Password

Dear Lists:
 
Time to figure this out.  I am trying to get my laptop - which I only use
for travel - to talk to my primary box so I can upload stuff I need to take
with me.  I've been working around this for a long time by copying to my
external HD and plugging that into the LT.  But that's soooo unprofessional.
 
When I try to connect to the main box from the LT or from the LT to the main
box I get a dialog box asking me to Enter Network User Name and Password but
I have no idea what this could be.  Main box does not have a login, just
fires right up - LT has a login - user name and password, but that does not
work as credentials on either box.
 
Any ideas how to find the Network User Name and Password?
 
MTIA
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
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From jbartow at winhaven.net  Tue Jun 11 12:41:37 2013
From: jbartow at winhaven.net (jbartow at winhaven.net)
Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2013 12:41:37 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Network Password
In-Reply-To: <FA9A20382C884A6DB55DD2526A522AC9@HAL9007>
References: <3B14741A5BED4AECBD3EC791EF291370@HAL9007>	<011a01ce66c8$0b10b620$21322260$@winhaven.net>
	<FA9A20382C884A6DB55DD2526A522AC9@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <012701ce66ca$ec8af640$c5a0e2c0$@winhaven.net>

If you have the same login/password on all machines it makes it easier. Also
you must have file sharing turned on for all computers that you want to do
it with. (Just type file sharing into the search box on the start menu.) If
they are all Windows 7 then use the "Homegroup" feature and let Windows
manage it all. (I don't but that's just because of what I do.)

Also, if you are using a security suite that includes a firewall, that
firewall may be causing problems. Turn that off until you figure it all out.
jb

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 12:26 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Network Password

Windows 7 Ultimate. I have another box on the network and have no problem
passing files back and forth.  No login requested.  Don't know why.

R


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
jbartow at winhaven.net
Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 10:21 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Network Password

What OS is on each?

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 10:54 AM
To: List; 'Off Topic'
Subject: [dba-Tech] Network Password

Dear Lists:
 
Time to figure this out.  I am trying to get my laptop - which I only use
for travel - to talk to my primary box so I can upload stuff I need to take
with me.  I've been working around this for a long time by copying to my
external HD and plugging that into the LT.  But that's soooo unprofessional.
 
When I try to connect to the main box from the LT or from the LT to the main
box I get a dialog box asking me to Enter Network User Name and Password but
I have no idea what this could be.  Main box does not have a login, just
fires right up - LT has a login - user name and password, but that does not
work as credentials on either box.
 
Any ideas how to find the Network User Name and Password?
 
MTIA
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com
<http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
Skype: rocky.smolin
 
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Tue Jun 11 12:58:14 2013
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2013 10:58:14 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Network Password
In-Reply-To: <012701ce66ca$ec8af640$c5a0e2c0$@winhaven.net>
References: <3B14741A5BED4AECBD3EC791EF291370@HAL9007>	<011a01ce66c8$0b10b620$21322260$@winhaven.net><FA9A20382C884A6DB55DD2526A522AC9@HAL9007>
	<012701ce66ca$ec8af640$c5a0e2c0$@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <55B30B54C5BC4733BD6EF84CA0571FAD@HAL9007>

A little progress!  From LT of desktop it now does not ask for login name
and PW and shows the C drive folder and a couple of other shared folder.
But still says I don't have permission to access. Login from DT to LT still
asks for login name and password and denies access says user name is
invalid: \\DELLLAPTOP\Rocky

R

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
jbartow at winhaven.net
Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 10:42 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Network Password

If you have the same login/password on all machines it makes it easier. Also
you must have file sharing turned on for all computers that you want to do
it with. (Just type file sharing into the search box on the start menu.) If
they are all Windows 7 then use the "Homegroup" feature and let Windows
manage it all. (I don't but that's just because of what I do.)

Also, if you are using a security suite that includes a firewall, that
firewall may be causing problems. Turn that off until you figure it all out.
jb

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 12:26 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Network Password

Windows 7 Ultimate. I have another box on the network and have no problem
passing files back and forth.  No login requested.  Don't know why.

R


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
jbartow at winhaven.net
Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 10:21 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Network Password

What OS is on each?

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 10:54 AM
To: List; 'Off Topic'
Subject: [dba-Tech] Network Password

Dear Lists:
 
Time to figure this out.  I am trying to get my laptop - which I only use
for travel - to talk to my primary box so I can upload stuff I need to take
with me.  I've been working around this for a long time by copying to my
external HD and plugging that into the LT.  But that's soooo unprofessional.
 
When I try to connect to the main box from the LT or from the LT to the main
box I get a dialog box asking me to Enter Network User Name and Password but
I have no idea what this could be.  Main box does not have a login, just
fires right up - LT has a login - user name and password, but that does not
work as credentials on either box.
 
Any ideas how to find the Network User Name and Password?
 
MTIA
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com
<http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
Skype: rocky.smolin
 
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From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Tue Jun 11 13:18:16 2013
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2013 11:18:16 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Skeuomorphic UIs are dead? Apple to follow MS Win8UI
	design principles with iOS7?
In-Reply-To: <79268412825B41ADB061C0330F090E9C@server2003>
References: <004f01ce667a$67d504e0$377f0ea0$@cactus.dk>
	<A976D25F-E218-47D4-89EA-4591C194F3ED@phulse.com>
	<79268412825B41ADB061C0330F090E9C@server2003>
Message-ID: <B06E7C99-11A0-49F2-B3BE-49F49E75F31D@phulse.com>

You speak the truth. I can't even name a single person I know who runs Windows 8 even. Only one guy at work who has it in virtual machine and he dislikes it. To be fair though, he's a Linux geek.

- Hans


On 2013-06-11, at 8:51 AM, "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> Hi Hans:
> 
> The whole problem with the Metro UI was that it was installed on the PC. That was not the environment for it. Phone definitely and tablet maybe but not the PC. 
> 
> IMHO one UI for everything is just plain silly. Most users of Windows8, just switch to the old UI and continue working which just makes Metro a waste as far as a PC is concerned. 
> 
> Jim
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hans-Christian Andersen
> Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 1:16 AM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Skeuomorphic UIs are dead? Apple to follow MS Win8UI design principles with iOS7?
> 
> I think you are disregarding the fact that Metro has been a failure for Microsoft, because it was too much of a change for users to adapt to. Someone got fired for that, if you recall.
> 
> Also, the UI/UX of iOS is in the complete control of a designer.
> 
> The jury is still very much out - even more so than ever.
> 
> - Hans
> 
> 
> On 2013-06-11, at 1:05 AM, "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
> 
>> Hi Shamil
>> 
>> Skeuomorphism sure looks dead. And thanks for that.
>> 
>> After the introduction of Metro/Modern UI, I was convinced that in a few years skeuomorphism would be so much yesterday.
>> The new design of iOS settles this.
>> 
>> Now the Linux people are the left behinds ...
>> 
>> /gustav
>> 
>> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
>> Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Salakhetdinov Shamil
>> Sendt: 11. juni 2013 08:54
>> Til: Discussion of Hardware and Softw
>> Emne: [dba-Tech] Skeuomorphic UIs are dead? Apple to follow MS Win8 UI design principles with iOS7?
>> 
>> 
>> Hi All --
>> 
>> See subj questions and the following links: 
>> 
>> http://techcrunch.com/2013/06/10/apple-ios-7/
>> 
>> http://techcrunch.com/2013/06/10/take-a-good-look-at-apples-new-ios-7-with-these-early-screenshots/
>> 
>> http://techcrunch.com/2013/06/10/apples-flashlight-is-why-we-cant-fund-nice-dumb-things/  
>> 
>> etc.
>> 
>> it looks like iOS7 is preparing for iOS8 to get running transparently on "Apple Pince-nez"?...
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> ???????????? ??????
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
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From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Tue Jun 11 18:42:40 2013
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2013 03:42:40 +0400
Subject: [dba-Tech]
 =?utf-8?q?Trying_to_setup_nodejs_KARMA_package=2E=2E?=
 =?utf-8?q?=2E?=
In-Reply-To: <1370868809.89881340@f21.mail.ru>
References: <1370812408.814175888@f428.i.mail.ru>
	<27CBC6AF6621436DA62F8441BF78702A@server2003>
	<1370868809.89881340@f21.mail.ru>
Message-ID: <1370994160.185045224@f209.mail.ru>

 Hi All --

I still can't solve the issue with?

Error: connect ECONNREFUSED, 

described in quoted posting, everything else works well here on Win8 Prof..

The similar issue seems to have been discussed and solved here

https://github.com/yeoman/generator-karma/issues/17

but it doesn't work here.

If anybody will be interested to run on MS Windows end-to-end tests for AngularJS tutorial ( https://github.com/angular/angular-phonecat/tree/step-6 ) using node.js and Karma I'd be interested to hear about your results. I hope your results will be all positive.

Thank you.

-- Shamil

Monday, June 10, 2013 4:53 PM +04:00 from Salakhetdinov Shamil <mcp2004 at mail.ru>:
>Hi Jim --
>
>I have checked my sent to dba-tech e-mails and I haven't found any one with empty body.
>Anyway, I'd shortly note that I have got node.js up & running on Win8 Prof as well as Karma package and PhantomJS executables. And I can run now jasmine unit tests but jasmine e2e tests are still failing to run resulting in the following error message:
>
>[2013-06-10 03:12:29.673] [WARN] config - "/" is proxied, you should probably change urlRoot to avoid conflicts
>INFO [karma]: Karma server started at  http://localhost:9876/
>INFO [launcher]: <<< Starting browser PhantomJS
>INFO [launcher]: --- Starting browser PhantomJS
>INFO [PhantomJS 1.9 (Windows)]: Connected on socket id nt0PFIKfhu_qOf1cNloF
>WARN [proxy]: failed to proxy /app/index.html (Error: connect ECONNREFUSED)
>
>The solution is expected to be simple but googling haven't helped yet. I'll keep trying...
>
>Thank you.
>
>-- Shamil
>
>Monday, June 10, 2013 12:15 AM -07:00 from "Jim Lawrence" < accessd at shaw.ca >:
>>Hi Shamil:
>>
>>?
>>
>>Can I assume that you sent this post without content as the subject line was
>>all that was necessary. 
>>
>>?
>>
>>Keep up the good work and keep us posted on your progress.
>>
>>?
>>
>>Jim
>>
>>?
>>
>


-- 
???????????? ??????

From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Tue Jun 11 23:10:30 2013
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2013 00:10:30 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Skeuomorphic UIs are dead? Apple to follow MS Win8UI
 design principles with iOS7?
In-Reply-To: <B06E7C99-11A0-49F2-B3BE-49F49E75F31D@phulse.com>
References: <004f01ce667a$67d504e0$377f0ea0$@cactus.dk>
	<A976D25F-E218-47D4-89EA-4591C194F3ED@phulse.com>
	<79268412825B41ADB061C0330F090E9C@server2003>
	<B06E7C99-11A0-49F2-B3BE-49F49E75F31D@phulse.com>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1g2AcODOD129nf5_Jy28VOn1GEduusmLFsp5TiHbSguWA@mail.gmail.com>

Time to ask for help. How can I best revert my sister's laptop back to
Windows 7? I have an installation disk and she has no data on her disc
worth keeping, other than possibly the list of her favorite web sites. She
does everything else in the cloud.

I'm guessing that I could cold-boot the laptop with my Win7 OEM disc or
several Windoes-repair discs, then format/erase the disc and then install
Windows Home and then re-install everything. But I have read about various
methods of restoring a W8 box to a W7 look.

I hate the tiles. Complaint #1: why are the tiles so huge? (Which is kind
of bizarre since my eyes are failing, due to my age, but still, the trad
Win7 desktop looks way better IMHO.)  I want a Start Button and taskbar
back.I vaguely recall reading about some software than can do that to Win8.

I guess that this new UI appeals to some people, but I and more importantly
my friend whose fancy Dell laptop currently resides on my desk, object
profoundly, So, here is the situation in brief.

It's a brand-new Dell with Windows 8 installed.
I want to fry the disk and then install Windows 7 (She;s afraid to move to
Ubuntu; I can't imagine why, since her use of various apps other than
word-processing and email is almost nil, but that is another discussion,
but I will say before departing this subject that if that's the extent of
your computer usage, why the hell would you stick with Windows? This makes
no sense to me at all. However, she is my best friend and so I must take my
footsteps carefully, so as not to ruffle feathers.

The bottom line is this: she has a fancy new Dell laptop whose boot OS is
Windows 8. She wishes to change that. Our alternatives, as I see them, are
these:

a) fry the drive and then boot from my Win7 OEM disk and install.
b) try a dual-boot installation.
c) install Ubuntu and implicently fry the drive, which contains no data
worth preserving,]

Given her extremely small list of necessities (email, docs and photos), I
can see no justification for sticking with Windows. My recommendation is to
fry the disc and switch to either Mint or Ubuntu. I don't mean to slight
the offerings by RedHat, which is pretty clearly offered to professionals
not amateurs.

In summary:

I would like to fry the current OS installation and introduce a another,
Linux-based one such as Ubuntu.
I would also like to undo everything that I did in Step 1, should disasters
occur.
She has virtually nothing of personal value on her laptop, except her email
and its treacking record, so it is perfectly ok to fry the drive and start
from Square One. She even has the original Install Disk and I have the
printed User Guide in hand.
There is no data worth saving.
So, how should I proceed? Without a little expert advice, I am ill-prepared
to proceed. But that's why I so value this newsgroup.I am 110 % confident
that someone here can guide me to a solution.



A


On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 2:18 PM, Hans-Christian Andersen <
hans.andersen at phulse.com> wrote:

> You speak the truth. I can't even name a single person I know who runs
> Windows 8 even. Only one guy at work who has it in virtual machine and he
> dislikes it. To be fair though, he's a Linux geek.
>
> - Hans
>
>
> On 2013-06-11, at 8:51 AM, "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
>
> > Hi Hans:
> >
> > The whole problem with the Metro UI was that it was installed on the PC.
> That was not the environment for it. Phone definitely and tablet maybe but
> not the PC.
> >
> > IMHO one UI for everything is just plain silly. Most users of Windows8,
> just switch to the old UI and continue working which just makes Metro a
> waste as far as a PC is concerned.
> >
> > Jim
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:
> dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hans-Christian
> Andersen
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 1:16 AM
> > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Skeuomorphic UIs are dead? Apple to follow MS
> Win8UI design principles with iOS7?
> >
> > I think you are disregarding the fact that Metro has been a failure for
> Microsoft, because it was too much of a change for users to adapt to.
> Someone got fired for that, if you recall.
> >
> > Also, the UI/UX of iOS is in the complete control of a designer.
> >
> > The jury is still very much out - even more so than ever.
> >
> > - Hans
> >
> >
> > On 2013-06-11, at 1:05 AM, "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
> >
> >> Hi Shamil
> >>
> >> Skeuomorphism sure looks dead. And thanks for that.
> >>
> >> After the introduction of Metro/Modern UI, I was convinced that in a
> few years skeuomorphism would be so much yesterday.
> >> The new design of iOS settles this.
> >>
> >> Now the Linux people are the left behinds ...
> >>
> >> /gustav
> >>
> >> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> >> Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:
> dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Salakhetdinov Shamil
> >> Sendt: 11. juni 2013 08:54
> >> Til: Discussion of Hardware and Softw
> >> Emne: [dba-Tech] Skeuomorphic UIs are dead? Apple to follow MS Win8 UI
> design principles with iOS7?
> >>
> >>
> >> Hi All --
> >>
> >> See subj questions and the following links:
> >>
> >> http://techcrunch.com/2013/06/10/apple-ios-7/
> >>
> >>
> http://techcrunch.com/2013/06/10/take-a-good-look-at-apples-new-ios-7-with-these-early-screenshots/
> >>
> >>
> http://techcrunch.com/2013/06/10/apples-flashlight-is-why-we-cant-fund-nice-dumb-things/
> >>
> >> etc.
> >>
> >> it looks like iOS7 is preparing for iOS8 to get running transparently
> on "Apple Pince-nez"?...
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> ???????????? ??????
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> dba-Tech mailing list
> >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
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> >
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>



-- 
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Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
  -- Niels Bohr

From bill_patten at embarqmail.com  Wed Jun 12 00:15:18 2013
From: bill_patten at embarqmail.com (Bill Patten)
Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2013 22:15:18 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Skeuomorphic UIs are dead? Apple to follow MS Win8UI
	design principles with iOS7?
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1g2AcODOD129nf5_Jy28VOn1GEduusmLFsp5TiHbSguWA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <004f01ce667a$67d504e0$377f0ea0$@cactus.dk><A976D25F-E218-47D4-89EA-4591C194F3ED@phulse.com><79268412825B41ADB061C0330F090E9C@server2003><B06E7C99-11A0-49F2-B3BE-49F49E75F31D@phulse.com>
	<CAEPJO1g2AcODOD129nf5_Jy28VOn1GEduusmLFsp5TiHbSguWA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E1BA995A8E19462F8D3417D2BB0BFA3E@BPCS>

Hi Arthur,

I don't understand the loathing of the window's 8 screen, it's really 
designed for touch hence the large buttons. If you don?t have a touch screen 
then just use the desktop.  Before I'd go to the trouble of installing Win7 
click on the button labeled desk top a windows 7 screen with out the start 
button will appear. I just added short cuts to my screen then right click 
and pin them to the task bar.

One feature better then the start menu is to move the mouse (In the desktop 
mode) to the lower left hand corner and a short cut to the Windows 8 
Appears. Right click on it and a menu pops up that has many of the feature 
you might want like control panel task manager, event viewer etc.

One other cool feature is to when on the windows 8 screen and start typing 
like "windows defender" (or any other program you know the name of) and as 
you type icons appear on the screen and when you see the one you want click 
on it.

Yes it's different and yes MS could have given a choice of where you want it 
to open and  yes they did not have to remove the start menu but it takes one 
click to click on the desktop icon (I moved mine to the upper left corner so 
I don't have to look for it) but recently learned pushing esc. take you to 
the desk top. Place shortcuts on it, pin them on the task bar and it works.

Be brave, give it a try, you or your sister may never like it then again as 
more and more people get and want tablets your ready.

By the way I have a Surface Pro and love it. I only use one Windows 8 
application (USA today) but  I have Access 2007, VS 2010 SQL Server 2008 
(Express) that syncs with my Main SQL server and most other tools that I 
use.  the surface has Hyper-V in it so I have an XP VM on a USB drive so I 
can recompile Access programs that won't run on 32 bit machines if compiled 
in a 64 bit environment. No I would  not recommend that package for 
development but it cool when traveling and I want help a client.

I'm not in love with WIN 8 but I sure don't hate it.
HTH

Bill

Here are a list of easy short cuts one could learn if they want to,  give 
them try it might surprise you..

To label groups push - in bottom right and the groups will shrink Right 
click on a group to name them.  All groups appear to have at least 2 columns 
to reduce the size move enough to other groups to reduce by 2 columns.

If you learn just three hotkeys, learn:
?Win+W - Search Control Panel and Settings stuff
?Win+F - Search Files
?Esc - Yes, escape. No joke. If you hit the Windows Key, you can hit Escape 
to go back.  (Does not appear to work on first start up but once you've gone 
to the desktop ESC will take you back.)

Once you have those, add these:
?Win+C - Charms (right side menu) then arrows to move and enter to launch.
?Win+K - Devices
?Win+I - Settings in any app plus brightness, network and other useful 
system features
?Win+Arrows - Snap desktop apps to the sides
?Win+(period) - Alternate sides to "snap" Metro Apps. Add shift to reverse 
it.
?Win-X - Admin Stuff. I'm mentioning it twice because it's THAT useful.
?Win+PageUp or Win+PageDn - Move full screen apps to other monitors. Super 
useful for News apps and Readers. The Start Screen can be moved as well.
them to the





-----Original Message----- 
From: Arthur Fuller
Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 9:10 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Skeuomorphic UIs are dead? Apple to follow MS Win8UI 
design principles with iOS7?

Time to ask for help. How can I best revert my sister's laptop back to
Windows 7? I have an installation disk and she has no data on her disc
worth keeping, other than possibly the list of her favorite web sites. She
does everything else in the cloud.

I'm guessing that I could cold-boot the laptop with my Win7 OEM disc or
several Windoes-repair discs, then format/erase the disc and then install
Windows Home and then re-install everything. But I have read about various
methods of restoring a W8 box to a W7 look.

I hate the tiles. Complaint #1: why are the tiles so huge? (Which is kind
of bizarre since my eyes are failing, due to my age, but still, the trad
Win7 desktop looks way better IMHO.)  I want a Start Button and taskbar
back.I vaguely recall reading about some software than can do that to Win8.

I guess that this new UI appeals to some people, but I and more importantly
my friend whose fancy Dell laptop currently resides on my desk, object
profoundly, So, here is the situation in brief.

It's a brand-new Dell with Windows 8 installed.
I want to fry the disk and then install Windows 7 (She;s afraid to move to
Ubuntu; I can't imagine why, since her use of various apps other than
word-processing and email is almost nil, but that is another discussion,
but I will say before departing this subject that if that's the extent of
your computer usage, why the hell would you stick with Windows? This makes
no sense to me at all. However, she is my best friend and so I must take my
footsteps carefully, so as not to ruffle feathers.

The bottom line is this: she has a fancy new Dell laptop whose boot OS is
Windows 8. She wishes to change that. Our alternatives, as I see them, are
these:

a) fry the drive and then boot from my Win7 OEM disk and install.
b) try a dual-boot installation.
c) install Ubuntu and implicently fry the drive, which contains no data
worth preserving,]

Given her extremely small list of necessities (email, docs and photos), I
can see no justification for sticking with Windows. My recommendation is to
fry the disc and switch to either Mint or Ubuntu. I don't mean to slight
the offerings by RedHat, which is pretty clearly offered to professionals
not amateurs.

In summary:

I would like to fry the current OS installation and introduce a another,
Linux-based one such as Ubuntu.
I would also like to undo everything that I did in Step 1, should disasters
occur.
She has virtually nothing of personal value on her laptop, except her email
and its treacking record, so it is perfectly ok to fry the drive and start
from Square One. She even has the original Install Disk and I have the
printed User Guide in hand.
There is no data worth saving.
So, how should I proceed? Without a little expert advice, I am ill-prepared
to proceed. But that's why I so value this newsgroup.I am 110 % confident
that someone here can guide me to a solution.



A


On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 2:18 PM, Hans-Christian Andersen <
hans.andersen at phulse.com> wrote:

> You speak the truth. I can't even name a single person I know who runs
> Windows 8 even. Only one guy at work who has it in virtual machine and he
> dislikes it. To be fair though, he's a Linux geek.
>
> - Hans
>
>
> On 2013-06-11, at 8:51 AM, "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
>
> > Hi Hans:
> >
> > The whole problem with the Metro UI was that it was installed on the PC.
> That was not the environment for it. Phone definitely and tablet maybe but
> not the PC.
> >
> > IMHO one UI for everything is just plain silly. Most users of Windows8,
> just switch to the old UI and continue working which just makes Metro a
> waste as far as a PC is concerned.
> >
> > Jim
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:
> dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hans-Christian
> Andersen
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 1:16 AM
> > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Skeuomorphic UIs are dead? Apple to follow MS
> Win8UI design principles with iOS7?
> >
> > I think you are disregarding the fact that Metro has been a failure for
> Microsoft, because it was too much of a change for users to adapt to.
> Someone got fired for that, if you recall.
> >
> > Also, the UI/UX of iOS is in the complete control of a designer.
> >
> > The jury is still very much out - even more so than ever.
> >
> > - Hans
> >
> >
> > On 2013-06-11, at 1:05 AM, "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
> >
> >> Hi Shamil
> >>
> >> Skeuomorphism sure looks dead. And thanks for that.
> >>
> >> After the introduction of Metro/Modern UI, I was convinced that in a
> few years skeuomorphism would be so much yesterday.
> >> The new design of iOS settles this.
> >>
> >> Now the Linux people are the left behinds ...
> >>
> >> /gustav
> >>
> >> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> >> Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:
> dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Salakhetdinov Shamil
> >> Sendt: 11. juni 2013 08:54
> >> Til: Discussion of Hardware and Softw
> >> Emne: [dba-Tech] Skeuomorphic UIs are dead? Apple to follow MS Win8 UI
> design principles with iOS7?
> >>
> >>
> >> Hi All --
> >>
> >> See subj questions and the following links:
> >>
> >> http://techcrunch.com/2013/06/10/apple-ios-7/
> >>
> >>
> http://techcrunch.com/2013/06/10/take-a-good-look-at-apples-new-ios-7-with-these-early-screenshots/
> >>
> >>
> http://techcrunch.com/2013/06/10/apples-flashlight-is-why-we-cant-fund-nice-dumb-things/
> >>
> >> etc.
> >>
> >> it looks like iOS7 is preparing for iOS8 to get running transparently
> on "Apple Pince-nez"?...
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> ???????????? ??????
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> dba-Tech mailing list
> >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
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> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
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> >
> >
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> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Jun 12 00:56:56 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2013 22:56:56 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] The new XBox has been holding the gamer to ransom but
In-Reply-To: <E1BA995A8E19462F8D3417D2BB0BFA3E@BPCS>
References: <004f01ce667a$67d504e0$377f0ea0$@cactus.dk><A976D25F-E218-47D4-89EA-4591C194F3ED@phulse.com><79268412825B41ADB061C0330F090E9C@server2003><B06E7C99-11A0-49F2-B3BE-49F49E75F31D@phulse.com><CAEPJO1g2AcODOD129nf5_Jy28VOn1GEduusmLFsp5TiHbSguWA@mail.gmail.com>
	<E1BA995A8E19462F8D3417D2BB0BFA3E@BPCS>
Message-ID: <563691BF158144DAA813C31D9F239324@server2003>

...Sony sucker-punches Xbox on price, specs, DRM-free gaming.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/06/11/sony_undercuts_outpowers_xboxone_dis
misses_drm/

Jim


From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Wed Jun 12 01:03:42 2013
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2013 23:03:42 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] The new XBox has been holding the gamer to ransom but
In-Reply-To: <563691BF158144DAA813C31D9F239324@server2003>
References: <004f01ce667a$67d504e0$377f0ea0$@cactus.dk>
	<A976D25F-E218-47D4-89EA-4591C194F3ED@phulse.com>
	<79268412825B41ADB061C0330F090E9C@server2003>
	<B06E7C99-11A0-49F2-B3BE-49F49E75F31D@phulse.com>
	<CAEPJO1g2AcODOD129nf5_Jy28VOn1GEduusmLFsp5TiHbSguWA@mail.gmail.com>
	<E1BA995A8E19462F8D3417D2BB0BFA3E@BPCS>
	<563691BF158144DAA813C31D9F239324@server2003>
Message-ID: <6D65F349-3947-4713-855B-F146DA8E5A58@phulse.com>

Yeah. Pretty much everyone is outraged against the Xbox One (and what a stupid name for a console. What do you call the original Xbox now?). I don't have an Xbox, so it doesn't really affect me, but this is the general sentiment I get across the board from every social media site I frequent. Anger towards Microsoft and enthusiasm for Sony.

Microsoft has really screwed up here as well - which is a shame. The Xbox was a symbol of a Microsoft turning a new leaf. Oh well. I hope they come to their senses and do a 180.

- Hans


On 2013-06-11, at 10:56 PM, "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> ...Sony sucker-punches Xbox on price, specs, DRM-free gaming.
> 
> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/06/11/sony_undercuts_outpowers_xboxone_dis
> misses_drm/
> 
> Jim
> 
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com


From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Wed Jun 12 02:21:40 2013
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2013 08:21:40 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] The new XBox has been holding the gamer to ransom but
In-Reply-To: <6D65F349-3947-4713-855B-F146DA8E5A58@phulse.com>
References: <004f01ce667a$67d504e0$377f0ea0$@cactus.dk>
	<A976D25F-E218-47D4-89EA-4591C194F3ED@phulse.com>
	<79268412825B41ADB061C0330F090E9C@server2003>
	<B06E7C99-11A0-49F2-B3BE-49F49E75F31D@phulse.com>
	<CAEPJO1g2AcODOD129nf5_Jy28VOn1GEduusmLFsp5TiHbSguWA@mail.gmail.com>
	<E1BA995A8E19462F8D3417D2BB0BFA3E@BPCS>
	<563691BF158144DAA813C31D9F239324@server2003>
	<6D65F349-3947-4713-855B-F146DA8E5A58@phulse.com>
Message-ID: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB082959C55DD265F@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk>

You know this argument from some of you reminds me of the early days of the peace process here. Being a nationalist community member the only thing that would have made Unionists happy was if we had stripped naked and marched to Downing Street on our Knees. No matter what was offered or done it made little to no difference to some of them?

I get the same feeling here. No matter what MS do or don't do it will never be enough for some of you. Well other than going out of existence. I really cannot see what the problem is with this company that makes people hate it so much.

Personally I don't care what software we use. The strategic direction we have taken is MS. So what! It does what it says it will do and for us it does it very very well, they are here when required to sort out what doesn't. We have the good fortune to get very preferential pricing of course which influences the choices, I grant that. 

Do we have issues yes of course we do and do those issues require extra development effort yip they do but everything does anyway. We have yet to meet an issue we cannot resolve and we support every browser under the sun. Mobile devices of all sorts, email clients of all types and multiple operating systems from server to client.

Oh and from what I hear from my kids and their mates the only issue they have with XBOX 1 is the price. Not that it matters to them of course as I will be paying for it should they upgrade!! Well santa will deliver it of course!


Martin

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hans-Christian Andersen
Sent: 12 June 2013 07:04
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] The new XBox has been holding the gamer to ransom but

Yeah. Pretty much everyone is outraged against the Xbox One (and what a stupid name for a console. What do you call the original Xbox now?). I don't have an Xbox, so it doesn't really affect me, but this is the general sentiment I get across the board from every social media site I frequent. Anger towards Microsoft and enthusiasm for Sony.

Microsoft has really screwed up here as well - which is a shame. The Xbox was a symbol of a Microsoft turning a new leaf. Oh well. I hope they come to their senses and do a 180.

- Hans


On 2013-06-11, at 10:56 PM, "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> ...Sony sucker-punches Xbox on price, specs, DRM-free gaming.
> 
> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/06/11/sony_undercuts_outpowers_xboxone_dis
> misses_drm/
> 
> Jim
> 
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Jun 12 05:05:40 2013
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2013 12:05:40 +0200
Subject: [dba-Tech] Skeuomorphic UIs are dead? Apple to follow MS Win8
	UI design principles with iOS7?
Message-ID: <005801ce6754$64d4bb20$2e7e3160$@cactus.dk>

Hi Hans

You lost me here. 
Microsoft just did - and even at the highest level. And Windows 7 I cannot take credit for.

/gustav


-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Hans-Christian Andersen
Sendt: 11. juni 2013 19:08
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Skeuomorphic UIs are dead? Apple to follow MS Win8 UI design principles with iOS7?

Which is something other tech companies never do. After all, Windows 7 was your idea. ;)

- Hans


On 2013-06-11, at 3:31 AM, "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Hi Shamil
> 
> This sentence deserves standing ovations at the next meeting in the 
> local club of Public Relation professionals:
> 
> As Apple notes, iOS 7 provides ?a rare opportunity to revisit the way 
> apps communicate their core purpose and functionality to users.?
> 
> Read it twice. If you can write like that, you can make a fortune.
> 
> /gustav
> 
> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Salakhetdinov Shamil
> Sendt: 11. juni 2013 11:08
> Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Skeuomorphic UIs are dead? Apple to follow MS 
> Win8 UI design principles with iOS7?
> 
> Hi Arthur --
> 
> You and your friend better adapt - that seems to be the mainstream trend:
> 
> "Apple Publishes iOS 7 Transition Guide To Help Developers Adopt Flat Design"
> http://techcrunch.com/2013/06/10/apple-publishes-ios-7-transition-guide-to-help-developers-adopt-flat-design/
> 
> 
> -- Shamil 



From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Jun 12 05:57:54 2013
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2013 12:57:54 +0200
Subject: [dba-Tech] The new XBox has been holding the gamer to ransom but
Message-ID: <005a01ce675b$b114d360$133e7a20$@cactus.dk>

Hi Martin

Neither do I get it. Except that MSFT is just evil. 

I don't see why. In many  areas MS delivers superior software if not _the_
superior software. Regarding the current debate about multinational
companies not paying taxes, MS do pay their taxes here. I can even call MS
here and reach real employees, not just answering machines or frontline
clerks: 

  http://www.microsoft.com/da-dk/om/

Try that with Apple or Google (who doesn't publish phone numbers, nor even
e-mail addresses):

  http://www.google.dk/intl/da/contact/

Also MS is rated over and over again as one the best places to work which is
in strong contrast to the horror stories you hear about life in Apple.

To me, not being an owner of an Xbox, the new model with Hyper-V and
instantaneous switching between gaming and something else seems so smart
that you may wonder why no one have had that idea before.

/gustav


-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Martin Reid
Sendt: 12. juni 2013 09:22
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] The new XBox has been holding the gamer to ransom but

You know this argument from some of you reminds me of the early days of the
peace process here. Being a nationalist community member the only thing that
would have made Unionists happy was if we had stripped naked and marched to
Downing Street on our Knees. No matter what was offered or done it made
little to no difference to some of them?

I get the same feeling here. No matter what MS do or don't do it will never
be enough for some of you. Well other than going out of existence. I really
cannot see what the problem is with this company that makes people hate it
so much.

Personally I don't care what software we use. The strategic direction we
have taken is MS. So what! It does what it says it will do and for us it
does it very very well, they are here when required to sort out what
doesn't. We have the good fortune to get very preferential pricing of course
which influences the choices, I grant that. 

Do we have issues yes of course we do and do those issues require extra
development effort yip they do but everything does anyway. We have yet to
meet an issue we cannot resolve and we support every browser under the sun.
Mobile devices of all sorts, email clients of all types and multiple
operating systems from server to client.

Oh and from what I hear from my kids and their mates the only issue they
have with XBOX 1 is the price. Not that it matters to them of course as I
will be paying for it should they upgrade!! Well santa will deliver it of
course!


Martin 



From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Wed Jun 12 07:20:44 2013
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2013 16:20:44 +0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?Plumbers_are_more_essential_than_web_develop?=
 =?utf-8?q?ers=2C_even_though_they=27re_less_valued=3F?=
Message-ID: <1371039644.241796190@f399.i.mail.ru>


Hi All --

The author of the referenced below article is IMO a talented young (essay) writer but he had to become a "mediocre web developer" to make his living:

" In today?s world, web developers have it all: money, perks, freedom, respect. But is there value in what we do?"
http://www.aeonmagazine.com/living-together/james-somers-web-developer-money/
:)

-- 
???????????? ??????

From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Wed Jun 12 08:23:02 2013
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2013 09:23:02 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Skeuomorphic UIs are dead? Apple to follow MS Win8
 UI design principles with iOS7?
In-Reply-To: <005801ce6754$64d4bb20$2e7e3160$@cactus.dk>
References: <005801ce6754$64d4bb20$2e7e3160$@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1h1gKvDdBNcNpWrNKKTmKFZNYp2BmzAHL4ahHbz03X3MA@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for all the valuable information, Bill. I shall print your reply and
lay it aside my laptop and follow your guidelines. Much appreciated.

Arthur


On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 6:05 AM, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Hi Hans
>
> You lost me here.
> Microsoft just did - and even at the highest level. And Windows 7 I cannot
> take credit for.
>
> /gustav
>
>
> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:
> dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Hans-Christian Andersen
> Sendt: 11. juni 2013 19:08
> Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Skeuomorphic UIs are dead? Apple to follow MS Win8 UI
> design principles with iOS7?
>
> Which is something other tech companies never do. After all, Windows 7 was
> your idea. ;)
>
> - Hans
>
>
> On 2013-06-11, at 3:31 AM, "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
>
> > Hi Shamil
> >
> > This sentence deserves standing ovations at the next meeting in the
> > local club of Public Relation professionals:
> >
> > As Apple notes, iOS 7 provides ?a rare opportunity to revisit the way
> > apps communicate their core purpose and functionality to users.?
> >
> > Read it twice. If you can write like that, you can make a fortune.
> >
> > /gustav
> >
> > -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> > Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af
> Salakhetdinov Shamil
> > Sendt: 11. juni 2013 11:08
> > Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> > Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Skeuomorphic UIs are dead? Apple to follow MS
> > Win8 UI design principles with iOS7?
> >
> > Hi Arthur --
> >
> > You and your friend better adapt - that seems to be the mainstream trend:
> >
> > "Apple Publishes iOS 7 Transition Guide To Help Developers Adopt Flat
> Design"
> >
> http://techcrunch.com/2013/06/10/apple-publishes-ios-7-transition-guide-to-help-developers-adopt-flat-design/
> >
> >
> > -- Shamil
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
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>



-- 
Arthur
Cell: 647.710.1314

Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
  -- Niels Bohr

From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Wed Jun 12 08:52:10 2013
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2013 17:52:10 +0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?Looking_for_a_JavaScript-driven_=22database_?=
 =?utf-8?b?ZW5naW5lIi4uLg==?=
Message-ID: <1371045130.642468266@f50.mail.ru>

 Hi All --

I'm looking for a JavaScript-driven "database engine" as lightweight as?TaffyDB: http://www.taffydb.com/ but with a feature of (forced) sync with back-end "database" when working online or getting back online from offline mode. The backend "database" could be as simple as a set of (JSON) files stored in?a folder dedicated for a TaffyDB database where every row is stored in a separate (JSON) file.

Thank you.

-- 
???????????? ??????

From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Jun 12 10:30:07 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2013 08:30:07 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Plumbers are more essential than web developers,
	even though they're less valued?
In-Reply-To: <1371039644.241796190@f399.i.mail.ru>
References: <1371039644.241796190@f399.i.mail.ru>
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Hi Shamil:

I love it. Did you check out the attached comments some are equally as
insightful.

Many years ago, (1987) I quit a good career in the government, to start up
my own computer company and made more in a couple years than I had in the
previous 15 to 17 years...then the dot com bust.   

Web designing is for kids less the forty and more so less than thirty but
that is where the money is.

You, I and most of the group here are from the first wave (boom) and a few
are from the second wave. Some made the transition (or had/have to) from the
first wave to the second but many did/will not.

Jim
 
-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov
Shamil
Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2013 5:21 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Softw
Subject: [dba-Tech] Plumbers are more essential than web developers, even
though they're less valued?


Hi All --

The author of the referenced below article is IMO a talented young (essay)
writer but he had to become a "mediocre web developer" to make his living:

" In today's world, web developers have it all: money, perks, freedom,
respect. But is there value in what we do?"
http://www.aeonmagazine.com/living-together/james-somers-web-developer-money
/
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Jun 12 10:50:51 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2013 08:50:51 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] The new XBox has been holding the gamer to ransom but
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Hi Martin:

I do not complain about Microsoft for what they are. Over the years
Microsoft has been very good to me. 

That said, though, many of Microsoft's moves in the industry have been very
stupid. There are real reasons why Microsoft went from around 95 percent of
the market to 30 percent. The Xbox design is the latest blunder and it is
going to cost them plenty. It didn't take no business guru to realize that
they had pushed things just too far.

I am not condemning all of Microsoft just the dumb stunts they do. These
errors that they have been making, in the last ten years, are at the
management level. The management just doesn't quite get it as they are a
little out of phase with reality.

What Microsoft has in their favour is their technical excellence. I do not
believe that Microsoft will ever disappear but their current management
could not disappear soon enough.

Jim 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Martin Reid
Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2013 12:22 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] The new XBox has been holding the gamer to ransom
but

You know this argument from some of you reminds me of the early days of the
peace process here. Being a nationalist community member the only thing that
would have made Unionists happy was if we had stripped naked and marched to
Downing Street on our Knees. No matter what was offered or done it made
little to no difference to some of them?

I get the same feeling here. No matter what MS do or don't do it will never
be enough for some of you. Well other than going out of existence. I really
cannot see what the problem is with this company that makes people hate it
so much.

Personally I don't care what software we use. The strategic direction we
have taken is MS. So what! It does what it says it will do and for us it
does it very very well, they are here when required to sort out what
doesn't. We have the good fortune to get very preferential pricing of course
which influences the choices, I grant that. 

Do we have issues yes of course we do and do those issues require extra
development effort yip they do but everything does anyway. We have yet to
meet an issue we cannot resolve and we support every browser under the sun.
Mobile devices of all sorts, email clients of all types and multiple
operating systems from server to client.

Oh and from what I hear from my kids and their mates the only issue they
have with XBOX 1 is the price. Not that it matters to them of course as I
will be paying for it should they upgrade!! Well santa will deliver it of
course!


Martin

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hans-Christian
Andersen
Sent: 12 June 2013 07:04
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] The new XBox has been holding the gamer to ransom
but

Yeah. Pretty much everyone is outraged against the Xbox One (and what a
stupid name for a console. What do you call the original Xbox now?). I don't
have an Xbox, so it doesn't really affect me, but this is the general
sentiment I get across the board from every social media site I frequent.
Anger towards Microsoft and enthusiasm for Sony.

Microsoft has really screwed up here as well - which is a shame. The Xbox
was a symbol of a Microsoft turning a new leaf. Oh well. I hope they come to
their senses and do a 180.

- Hans


On 2013-06-11, at 10:56 PM, "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> ...Sony sucker-punches Xbox on price, specs, DRM-free gaming.
> 
>
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/06/11/sony_undercuts_outpowers_xboxone_dis
> misses_drm/
> 
> Jim
> 
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Jun 12 11:07:10 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2013 09:07:10 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Looking for a JavaScript-driven "database engine"...
In-Reply-To: <1371045130.642468266@f50.mail.ru>
References: <1371045130.642468266@f50.mail.ru>
Message-ID: <2CE4CADD229F4383B4DCA49B077F1906@server2003>

Hi Shamil:

You have got me there...I have been playing with Node but I am hardly up to
the level of building a full size application using it.

The taffydb looks really interesting and I have bookmarked your link for
further investigation. 

I feel your pain. I have been working on syncing an online/offline database
for almost a year now. It now works perfectly but for a minor problem...the
coding outruns the systems ability to do its garbage collection and when it
fills variable/module space it bails without any errors or previous
warnings.  

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov
Shamil
Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2013 6:52 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Softw
Subject: [dba-Tech] Looking for a JavaScript-driven "database engine"...

 Hi All --

I'm looking for a JavaScript-driven "database engine" as lightweight
as?TaffyDB: http://www.taffydb.com/ but with a feature of (forced) sync with
back-end "database" when working online or getting back online from offline
mode. The backend "database" could be as simple as a set of (JSON) files
stored in?a folder dedicated for a TaffyDB database where every row is
stored in a separate (JSON) file.

Thank you.

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From garykjos at gmail.com  Wed Jun 12 12:45:30 2013
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2013 12:45:30 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Network Password
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References: <3B14741A5BED4AECBD3EC791EF291370@HAL9007>
	<011a01ce66c8$0b10b620$21322260$@winhaven.net>
	<FA9A20382C884A6DB55DD2526A522AC9@HAL9007>
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You have to have file sharing turned on on both sides. And the folder you
want shared shared with the user you want or with Public.

You would be loging on to the desktop from the laptop with the desktop's
user, not with the laptops user I think wouldn't you?

Did you try the windows help thing?   Don't let it do too much but it might
give you some clues without making the changes.  Being they are both the
same versions it SHOULD be easier.  I had trouble getting my XP system to
be able to see the Windows system drives but the Vista systems could see it
with no problems.

GK


On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 12:58 PM, Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>wrote:

> A little progress!  From LT of desktop it now does not ask for login name
> and PW and shows the C drive folder and a couple of other shared folder.
> But still says I don't have permission to access. Login from DT to LT still
> asks for login name and password and denies access says user name is
> invalid: \\DELLLAPTOP\Rocky
>
> R
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> jbartow at winhaven.net
> Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 10:42 AM
> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Network Password
>
> If you have the same login/password on all machines it makes it easier.
> Also
> you must have file sharing turned on for all computers that you want to do
> it with. (Just type file sharing into the search box on the start menu.) If
> they are all Windows 7 then use the "Homegroup" feature and let Windows
> manage it all. (I don't but that's just because of what I do.)
>
> Also, if you are using a security suite that includes a firewall, that
> firewall may be causing problems. Turn that off until you figure it all
> out.
> jb
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
> Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 12:26 PM
> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Network Password
>
> Windows 7 Ultimate. I have another box on the network and have no problem
> passing files back and forth.  No login requested.  Don't know why.
>
> R
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> jbartow at winhaven.net
> Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 10:21 AM
> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Network Password
>
> What OS is on each?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
> Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 10:54 AM
> To: List; 'Off Topic'
> Subject: [dba-Tech] Network Password
>
> Dear Lists:
>
> Time to figure this out.  I am trying to get my laptop - which I only use
> for travel - to talk to my primary box so I can upload stuff I need to take
> with me.  I've been working around this for a long time by copying to my
> external HD and plugging that into the LT.  But that's soooo
> unprofessional.
>
> When I try to connect to the main box from the LT or from the LT to the
> main
> box I get a dialog box asking me to Enter Network User Name and Password
> but
> I have no idea what this could be.  Main box does not have a login, just
> fires right up - LT has a login - user name and password, but that does not
> work as credentials on either box.
>
> Any ideas how to find the Network User Name and Password?
>
> MTIA
>
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
> 858-259-4334
> www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com
> <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
> Skype: rocky.smolin
>
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From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Wed Jun 12 14:16:00 2013
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2013 12:16:00 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] The new XBox has been holding the gamer to ransom but
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	<A976D25F-E218-47D4-89EA-4591C194F3ED@phulse.com>
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If what you said was truly the case, people would have been complaining about the Xbox 360, which really wasn't the case. It was a great console and was a success with gamers.

- Hans


On 2013-06-12, at 12:21 AM, Martin Reid <mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk> wrote:

> You know this argument from some of you reminds me of the early days of the peace process here. Being a nationalist community member the only thing that would have made Unionists happy was if we had stripped naked and marched to Downing Street on our Knees. No matter what was offered or done it made little to no difference to some of them?
> 
> I get the same feeling here. No matter what MS do or don't do it will never be enough for some of you. Well other than going out of existence. I really cannot see what the problem is with this company that makes people hate it so much.
> 
> Personally I don't care what software we use. The strategic direction we have taken is MS. So what! It does what it says it will do and for us it does it very very well, they are here when required to sort out what doesn't. We have the good fortune to get very preferential pricing of course which influences the choices, I grant that. 
> 
> Do we have issues yes of course we do and do those issues require extra development effort yip they do but everything does anyway. We have yet to meet an issue we cannot resolve and we support every browser under the sun. Mobile devices of all sorts, email clients of all types and multiple operating systems from server to client.
> 
> Oh and from what I hear from my kids and their mates the only issue they have with XBOX 1 is the price. Not that it matters to them of course as I will be paying for it should they upgrade!! Well santa will deliver it of course!
> 
> 
> Martin
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hans-Christian Andersen
> Sent: 12 June 2013 07:04
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] The new XBox has been holding the gamer to ransom but
> 
> Yeah. Pretty much everyone is outraged against the Xbox One (and what a stupid name for a console. What do you call the original Xbox now?). I don't have an Xbox, so it doesn't really affect me, but this is the general sentiment I get across the board from every social media site I frequent. Anger towards Microsoft and enthusiasm for Sony.
> 
> Microsoft has really screwed up here as well - which is a shame. The Xbox was a symbol of a Microsoft turning a new leaf. Oh well. I hope they come to their senses and do a 180.
> 
> - Hans
> 
> 
> On 2013-06-11, at 10:56 PM, "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
> 
>> ...Sony sucker-punches Xbox on price, specs, DRM-free gaming.
>> 
>> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/06/11/sony_undercuts_outpowers_xboxone_dis
>> misses_drm/
>> 
>> Jim
>> 
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From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Wed Jun 12 14:42:09 2013
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2013 23:42:09 +0400
Subject: [dba-Tech]
 =?utf-8?q?Plumbers_are_more_essential_than_web_develop?=
 =?utf-8?q?ers=2C_even_though_they=27re_less_valued=3F?=
In-Reply-To: <2FB4922814634ABFB6112D13FD18885F@server2003>
References: <1371039644.241796190@f399.i.mail.ru>
	<2FB4922814634ABFB6112D13FD18885F@server2003>
Message-ID: <1371066129.371927081@f412.i.mail.ru>

 Hi Jim --

Yes, I did check the comments.?I have seen the stats somewhere - all the modern industries are for "kids" (12+ - 25) and young people - 20-40...

I'm in programming/databases not from the "first wave" times - I'm from the ?"New Wave" ?( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_wave_music ) times :)

-- Shamil

Wednesday, June 12, 2013 8:30 AM -07:00 from "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca>:
>Hi Shamil:
>
>I love it. Did you check out the attached comments some are equally as
>insightful.
>
>Many years ago, (1987) I quit a good career in the government, to start up
>my own computer company and made more in a couple years than I had in the
>previous 15 to 17 years...then the dot com bust. 
>
>Web designing is for kids less the forty and more so less than thirty but
>that is where the money is.
>
>You, I and most of the group here are from the first wave (boom) and a few
>are from the second wave. Some made the transition (or had/have to) from the
>first wave to the second but many did/will not.
>
>Jim
>?
>-----Original Message-----
>From:  dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov
>Shamil
>Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2013 5:21 AM
>To: Discussion of Hardware and Softw
>Subject: [dba-Tech] Plumbers are more essential than web developers, even
>though they're less valued?
>
>
>Hi All --
>
>The author of the referenced below article is IMO a talented young (essay)
>writer but he had to become a "mediocre web developer" to make his living:
>
>" In today's world, web developers have it all: money, perks, freedom,
>respect. But is there value in what we do?"
>http://www.aeonmagazine.com/living-together/james-somers-web-developer-money
>/
>:)
>
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Jun 12 15:22:19 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2013 13:22:19 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] The new JavaScript
In-Reply-To: <1371066129.371927081@f412.i.mail.ru>
References: <1371039644.241796190@f399.i.mail.ru><2FB4922814634ABFB6112D13FD18885F@server2003>
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Message-ID: <B03AEB9104A84BDA8E554DBDA1828765@server2003>

Hi All:

As we would suspect, JavaScript being such a major component, in much of our
current development, it is going to go through some changes in the near
future. They initially look fairly modest but the effects could be very
extensive.

The code project is called Harmony.

http://www.infragistics.com/community/blogs/marketing/archive/2013/06/04/the
-future-of-javascript-what-to-expect.aspx

...and the Harmony standards wiki site is:

http://wiki.ecmascript.org/doku.php?id=harmony:proposals

Jim  


From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Wed Jun 12 15:28:38 2013
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 00:28:38 +0400
Subject: [dba-Tech]
 =?utf-8?q?Looking_for_a_JavaScript-driven_=22database_?=
 =?utf-8?b?ZW5naW5lIi4uLg==?=
In-Reply-To: <2CE4CADD229F4383B4DCA49B077F1906@server2003>
References: <1371045130.642468266@f50.mail.ru>
	<2CE4CADD229F4383B4DCA49B077F1906@server2003>
Message-ID: <1371068918.966184340@f350.mail.ru>

 Hi Jim --

Yes, I have got node.js (standalone) installed on my Win8 Prof. and I liked it, but I currently do not plan to use it for development - but for JavaScript programming learning/mastering and AngularJS/Karma unit/e2e testing first of all.
I have seen there exists an IIS HTTPModule to make node.js a custom web server but I'm not sure it can be secure enough ( http://stackoverflow.com/questions/5259291/security-in-node-js-webserver )

So my question about JavaScrip-driven "database engine" is to find a pure JavaScript *client-side* solution having zero relations with node.js - something like a combination of?

-?TaffyDB: http://www.taffydb.com/ and
- PersistsJS:? https://github.com/jeremydurham/persist-js

with server side "database"/persistence layer running as/behind a RESTFul web service driven by ASP.NET MVC Web API ( http://www.asp.net/web-api ) or ...?
And Web app user interface driven by AngularJS.

-- Shamil


Wednesday, June 12, 2013 9:07 AM -07:00 from "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca>:
>Hi Shamil:
>
>You have got me there...I have been playing with Node but I am hardly up to
>the level of building a full size application using it.
>
>The taffydb looks really interesting and I have bookmarked your link for
>further investigation. 
>
>I feel your pain. I have been working on syncing an online/offline database
>for almost a year now. It now works perfectly but for a minor problem...the
>coding outruns the systems ability to do its garbage collection and when it
>fills variable/module space it bails without any errors or previous
>warnings. 
>
>Jim
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From:  dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov
>Shamil
>Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2013 6:52 AM
>To: Discussion of Hardware and Softw
>Subject: [dba-Tech] Looking for a JavaScript-driven "database engine"...
>
>?Hi All --
>
>I'm looking for a JavaScript-driven "database engine" as lightweight
>as?TaffyDB:  http://www.taffydb.com/ but with a feature of (forced) sync with
>back-end "database" when working online or getting back online from offline
>mode. The backend "database" could be as simple as a set of (JSON) files
>stored in?a folder dedicated for a TaffyDB database where every row is
>stored in a separate (JSON) file.
>
>Thank you.
>
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Jun 12 15:30:03 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2013 13:30:03 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Plumbers are more essential than web developers,
	even though they're less valued?
In-Reply-To: <1371066129.371927081@f412.i.mail.ru>
References: <1371039644.241796190@f399.i.mail.ru><2FB4922814634ABFB6112D13FD18885F@server2003>
	<1371066129.371927081@f412.i.mail.ru>
Message-ID: <241D4C2C520C42D6B5BCD6AE3AF90270@server2003>

Hi Shamil:

Yeah, but you are still a youngster and the market will always need good
coders. I have a couple of friends who are still coding every day and are as
old as I am. ;-)

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov
Shamil
Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2013 12:42 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Plumbers are more essential than web developers,
even though they're less valued?

 Hi Jim --

Yes, I did check the comments.?I have seen the stats somewhere - all the
modern industries are for "kids" (12+ - 25) and young people - 20-40...

I'm in programming/databases not from the "first wave" times - I'm from the
?"New Wave" ?( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_wave_music ) times :)

-- Shamil

Wednesday, June 12, 2013 8:30 AM -07:00 from "Jim Lawrence"
<accessd at shaw.ca>:
>Hi Shamil:
>
>I love it. Did you check out the attached comments some are equally as
>insightful.
>
>Many years ago, (1987) I quit a good career in the government, to start up
>my own computer company and made more in a couple years than I had in the
>previous 15 to 17 years...then the dot com bust. 
>
>Web designing is for kids less the forty and more so less than thirty but
>that is where the money is.
>
>You, I and most of the group here are from the first wave (boom) and a few
>are from the second wave. Some made the transition (or had/have to) from
the
>first wave to the second but many did/will not.
>
>Jim
>?
>-----Original Message-----
>From:  dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov
>Shamil
>Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2013 5:21 AM
>To: Discussion of Hardware and Softw
>Subject: [dba-Tech] Plumbers are more essential than web developers, even
>though they're less valued?
>
>
>Hi All --
>
>The author of the referenced below article is IMO a talented young (essay)
>writer but he had to become a "mediocre web developer" to make his living:
>
>" In today's world, web developers have it all: money, perks, freedom,
>respect. But is there value in what we do?"
>http://www.aeonmagazine.com/living-together/james-somers-web-developer-mone
y
>/
>:)
>
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From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Wed Jun 12 15:37:05 2013
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 00:37:05 +0400
Subject: [dba-Tech]
 =?utf-8?q?Plumbers_are_more_essential_than_web_develop?=
 =?utf-8?q?ers=2C_even_though_they=27re_less_valued=3F?=
In-Reply-To: <241D4C2C520C42D6B5BCD6AE3AF90270@server2003>
References: <1371039644.241796190@f399.i.mail.ru>
	<1371066129.371927081@f412.i.mail.ru>
	<241D4C2C520C42D6B5BCD6AE3AF90270@server2003>
Message-ID: <1371069425.710790360@f279.mail.ru>

 HI Jim --

Yes, I do like programming but that's is mainly for living - very few time for coding experiments here...

If I have had a chance I'd had spend these days more time in gardening, house building (including plumbing :)), visiting theaters, travelling etc. :)

-- Shamil

Wednesday, June 12, 2013 1:30 PM -07:00 from "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca>:
>Hi Shamil:
>
>Yeah, but you are still a youngster and the market will always need good
>coders. I have a couple of friends who are still coding every day and are as
>old as I am. ;-)
>
>Jim
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From:  dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov
>Shamil
>Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2013 12:42 PM
>To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Plumbers are more essential than web developers,
>even though they're less valued?
>
>?Hi Jim --
>
>Yes, I did check the comments.?I have seen the stats somewhere - all the
>modern industries are for "kids" (12+ - 25) and young people - 20-40...
>
>I'm in programming/databases not from the "first wave" times - I'm from the
>?"New Wave" ?(  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_wave_music ) times :)
>
>-- Shamil
>
>Wednesday, June 12, 2013 8:30 AM -07:00 from "Jim Lawrence"
>< accessd at shaw.ca >:
>>Hi Shamil:
>>
>>I love it. Did you check out the attached comments some are equally as
>>insightful.
>>
>>Many years ago, (1987) I quit a good career in the government, to start up
>>my own computer company and made more in a couple years than I had in the
>>previous 15 to 17 years...then the dot com bust. 
>>
>>Web designing is for kids less the forty and more so less than thirty but
>>that is where the money is.
>>
>>You, I and most of the group here are from the first wave (boom) and a few
>>are from the second wave. Some made the transition (or had/have to) from
>the
>>first wave to the second but many did/will not.
>>
>>Jim
>>?
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From:  dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov
>>Shamil
>>Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2013 5:21 AM
>>To: Discussion of Hardware and Softw
>>Subject: [dba-Tech] Plumbers are more essential than web developers, even
>>though they're less valued?
>>
>>
>>Hi All --
>>
>>The author of the referenced below article is IMO a talented young (essay)
>>writer but he had to become a "mediocre web developer" to make his living:
>>
>>" In today's world, web developers have it all: money, perks, freedom,
>>respect. But is there value in what we do?"
>> http://www.aeonmagazine.com/living-together/james-somers-web-developer-mone
>y
>>/
>>:)
>>
>>--? ???????????? ??????

From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Jun 13 11:22:46 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 09:22:46 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] UI is not just a Windows8 problem
In-Reply-To: <1371069425.710790360@f279.mail.ru>
References: <1371039644.241796190@f399.i.mail.ru><1371066129.371927081@f412.i.mail.ru><241D4C2C520C42D6B5BCD6AE3AF90270@server2003>
	<1371069425.710790360@f279.mail.ru>
Message-ID: <1DD749F1159342D3B999535B63B9F17C@server2003>

Hi All:

The Window8 user interface has been panned to ad nauseum but Microsoft is
not the only screw ups. It appear that Gnome3, a Linux distro interface is
getting the third degree and it appears justifiably so.

Maybe the designers of the two interfaces can learn from each other as both
seem to have violated the fundamental rules when designing for clients which
has resulted in exactly the same problems and conclusions.

1. Lack of configuration options

2. Developers don't listen to users

3. Bring back traditional interface

http://felipec.wordpress.com/2013/06/12/the-problem-with-gnome-3/

Jim    


From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Thu Jun 13 11:54:26 2013
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 09:54:26 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] UI is not just a Windows8 problem
In-Reply-To: <1DD749F1159342D3B999535B63B9F17C@server2003>
References: <1371039644.241796190@f399.i.mail.ru>
	<1371066129.371927081@f412.i.mail.ru>
	<241D4C2C520C42D6B5BCD6AE3AF90270@server2003>
	<1371069425.710790360@f279.mail.ru>
	<1DD749F1159342D3B999535B63B9F17C@server2003>
Message-ID: <0995D3CA-2B39-4650-BCCC-303E3F0A757A@phulse.com>

Well, the nice thing about open source is that you have the freedom to choose your desktop and, better yet, fork the code - as Linux Mint is doing with their Cinnamon desktop. Cinnamon takes all the underlying improvements of Gnome 3 and puts a better, more traditional UI on top. This is something you can't really do with Windows 8 and you can't uninstall Metro. :|

- Hans


On 2013-06-13, at 9:22 AM, "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> Hi All:
> 
> The Window8 user interface has been panned to ad nauseum but Microsoft is
> not the only screw ups. It appear that Gnome3, a Linux distro interface is
> getting the third degree and it appears justifiably so.
> 
> Maybe the designers of the two interfaces can learn from each other as both
> seem to have violated the fundamental rules when designing for clients which
> has resulted in exactly the same problems and conclusions.
> 
> 1. Lack of configuration options
> 
> 2. Developers don't listen to users
> 
> 3. Bring back traditional interface
> 
> http://felipec.wordpress.com/2013/06/12/the-problem-with-gnome-3/
> 
> Jim    
> 
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From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Thu Jun 13 14:11:18 2013
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 23:11:18 +0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?FYI=3A_Node=2EJS_static_file_web_server_-_a_?=
 =?utf-8?q?useful_tool_to_test_web_apps_locally?=
Message-ID: <1371150678.370042342@f437.i.mail.ru>

 Hi All --

Here is a useful web apps testing tool:

Node.JS static file web server:?https://gist.github.com/rpflorence/701407 If you have node.js installed then you can see how such a static node.js web server works by running this sample:

https://github.com/requirejs/example-jquery-shim ?- just download its zip file, unzip and run

node tools/server.js
from the root of unzipped folder, then type

http://localhost:8888/www/app.html

in your browser.

-- 
???????????? ??????

From jbartow at winhaven.net  Thu Jun 13 15:21:55 2013
From: jbartow at winhaven.net (jbartow at winhaven.net)
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 15:21:55 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Network Password
In-Reply-To: <3B14741A5BED4AECBD3EC791EF291370@HAL9007>
References: <3B14741A5BED4AECBD3EC791EF291370@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <019a01ce6873$a6247d20$f26d7760$@winhaven.net>

Hey Rocky,
Sorry, I kind of lost track of this post. Did you make any headway?
jb

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 10:54 AM
To: List; 'Off Topic'
Subject: [dba-Tech] Network Password

Dear Lists:
 
Time to figure this out.  I am trying to get my laptop - which I only use
for travel - to talk to my primary box so I can upload stuff I need to take
with me.  I've been working around this for a long time by copying to my
external HD and plugging that into the LT.  But that's soooo unprofessional.
 
When I try to connect to the main box from the LT or from the LT to the main
box I get a dialog box asking me to Enter Network User Name and Password but
I have no idea what this could be.  Main box does not have a login, just
fires right up - LT has a login - user name and password, but that does not
work as credentials on either box.
 
Any ideas how to find the Network User Name and Password?
 
MTIA
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com
<http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
Skype: rocky.smolin
 
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Thu Jun 13 15:54:10 2013
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 13:54:10 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Network Password
In-Reply-To: <019a01ce6873$a6247d20$f26d7760$@winhaven.net>
References: <3B14741A5BED4AECBD3EC791EF291370@HAL9007>
	<019a01ce6873$a6247d20$f26d7760$@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <4AE7FAA9208A45FF9B22FF98D71627D3@HAL9007>

A little.  Thanks.  I think I have to document the current state and post
that - take a little more orderly approach.  Might take a few days though.
It's very nice out now so I think I have to go out.

R
 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
jbartow at winhaven.net
Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 1:22 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Network Password

Hey Rocky,
Sorry, I kind of lost track of this post. Did you make any headway?
jb

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 10:54 AM
To: List; 'Off Topic'
Subject: [dba-Tech] Network Password

Dear Lists:
 
Time to figure this out.  I am trying to get my laptop - which I only use
for travel - to talk to my primary box so I can upload stuff I need to take
with me.  I've been working around this for a long time by copying to my
external HD and plugging that into the LT.  But that's soooo unprofessional.
 
When I try to connect to the main box from the LT or from the LT to the main
box I get a dialog box asking me to Enter Network User Name and Password but
I have no idea what this could be.  Main box does not have a login, just
fires right up - LT has a login - user name and password, but that does not
work as credentials on either box.
 
Any ideas how to find the Network User Name and Password?
 
MTIA
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com
<http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
Skype: rocky.smolin
 
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From jbartow at winhaven.net  Thu Jun 13 16:02:27 2013
From: jbartow at winhaven.net (jbartow at winhaven.net)
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 16:02:27 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Network Password
In-Reply-To: <4AE7FAA9208A45FF9B22FF98D71627D3@HAL9007>
References: <3B14741A5BED4AECBD3EC791EF291370@HAL9007>	<019a01ce6873$a6247d20$f26d7760$@winhaven.net>
	<4AE7FAA9208A45FF9B22FF98D71627D3@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <01c901ce6879$4fe062c0$efa12840$@winhaven.net>

Oh thanks, yes, it is nice out, and no I can't just do that, you retired
guys are killing me!

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 3:54 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Network Password

A little.  Thanks.  I think I have to document the current state and post
that - take a little more orderly approach.  Might take a few days though.
It's very nice out now so I think I have to go out.

R
 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
jbartow at winhaven.net
Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 1:22 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Network Password

Hey Rocky,
Sorry, I kind of lost track of this post. Did you make any headway?
jb

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 10:54 AM
To: List; 'Off Topic'
Subject: [dba-Tech] Network Password

Dear Lists:
 
Time to figure this out.  I am trying to get my laptop - which I only use
for travel - to talk to my primary box so I can upload stuff I need to take
with me.  I've been working around this for a long time by copying to my
external HD and plugging that into the LT.  But that's soooo unprofessional.
 
When I try to connect to the main box from the LT or from the LT to the main
box I get a dialog box asking me to Enter Network User Name and Password but
I have no idea what this could be.  Main box does not have a login, just
fires right up - LT has a login - user name and password, but that does not
work as credentials on either box.
 
Any ideas how to find the Network User Name and Password?
 
MTIA
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com
<http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
Skype: rocky.smolin
 
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Fri Jun 14 04:38:18 2013
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2013 05:38:18 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Network Password
In-Reply-To: <01c901ce6879$4fe062c0$efa12840$@winhaven.net>
References: <3B14741A5BED4AECBD3EC791EF291370@HAL9007>
	<019a01ce6873$a6247d20$f26d7760$@winhaven.net>
	<4AE7FAA9208A45FF9B22FF98D71627D3@HAL9007>
	<01c901ce6879$4fe062c0$efa12840$@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1gWt3n=oFBOArX90EJNED+kmadUqihMs+NRpogB-M-2rQ@mail.gmail.com>

John,

LOL.


On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 5:02 PM, <jbartow at winhaven.net> wrote:

> Oh thanks, yes, it is nice out, and no I can't just do that, you retired
> guys are killing me!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
> Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 3:54 PM
> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Network Password
>
> A little.  Thanks.  I think I have to document the current state and post
> that - take a little more orderly approach.  Might take a few days though.
> It's very nice out now so I think I have to go out.
>
> R
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> jbartow at winhaven.net
> Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 1:22 PM
> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Network Password
>
> Hey Rocky,
> Sorry, I kind of lost track of this post. Did you make any headway?
> jb
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
> Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 10:54 AM
> To: List; 'Off Topic'
> Subject: [dba-Tech] Network Password
>
> Dear Lists:
>
> Time to figure this out.  I am trying to get my laptop - which I only use
> for travel - to talk to my primary box so I can upload stuff I need to take
> with me.  I've been working around this for a long time by copying to my
> external HD and plugging that into the LT.  But that's soooo
> unprofessional.
>
> When I try to connect to the main box from the LT or from the LT to the
> main
> box I get a dialog box asking me to Enter Network User Name and Password
> but
> I have no idea what this could be.  Main box does not have a login, just
> fires right up - LT has a login - user name and password, but that does not
> work as credentials on either box.
>
> Any ideas how to find the Network User Name and Password?
>
> MTIA
>
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
> 858-259-4334
> www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com
> <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
> Skype: rocky.smolin
>
> _______________________________________________
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Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
  -- Niels Bohr

From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Sat Jun 15 10:04:16 2013
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2013 11:04:16 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Netbook vs. Laptop
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1hwk35WDodGUsBvhrc0MW3S=9yW6Qen=ZFtrB2+bX0m0Q@mail.gmail.com>

What exactly is the difference?

-- 
Arthur
Cell: 647.710.1314

Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
  -- Niels Bohr

From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Sat Jun 15 10:33:27 2013
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2013 08:33:27 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Netbook vs. Laptop
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1hwk35WDodGUsBvhrc0MW3S=9yW6Qen=ZFtrB2+bX0m0Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1hwk35WDodGUsBvhrc0MW3S=9yW6Qen=ZFtrB2+bX0m0Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <568B850462054ECB943043D36549BE0E@HAL9007>

Didn't know myself what the exact difference was;  but now I do! :)

http://www.computerhope.com/issues/ch001159.htm

R
 

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2013 8:04 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] Netbook vs. Laptop

What exactly is the difference?

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Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Sat Jun 15 10:36:07 2013
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2013 08:36:07 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Netbook vs. Laptop
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1hwk35WDodGUsBvhrc0MW3S=9yW6Qen=ZFtrB2+bX0m0Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1hwk35WDodGUsBvhrc0MW3S=9yW6Qen=ZFtrB2+bX0m0Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C4FDDA7A826841FEA83B33298388913E@HAL9007>

Another good LT vs NB list:

http://www.diffen.com/difference/Laptop_vs_Netbook 



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[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2013 8:04 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] Netbook vs. Laptop

What exactly is the difference?

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sat Jun 15 10:37:39 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2013 08:37:39 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Netbook vs. Laptop
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1hwk35WDodGUsBvhrc0MW3S=9yW6Qen=ZFtrB2+bX0m0Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1hwk35WDodGUsBvhrc0MW3S=9yW6Qen=ZFtrB2+bX0m0Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8F9D05F4D38C489D8DF70B9F10919AA7@server2003>

Hi Arthur:

The simple answer is size.

In car reference it is like relating a subcompact to a standard size model.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2013 8:04 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] Netbook vs. Laptop

What exactly is the difference?

-- 
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Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Sat Jun 15 11:05:13 2013
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2013 12:05:13 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Netbook vs. Laptop
In-Reply-To: <8F9D05F4D38C489D8DF70B9F10919AA7@server2003>
References: <CAEPJO1hwk35WDodGUsBvhrc0MW3S=9yW6Qen=ZFtrB2+bX0m0Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<8F9D05F4D38C489D8DF70B9F10919AA7@server2003>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1iXNXhRW+Vr=Vd9HksWLUGvp541AHE7jGbACaj9KHObyg@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks, all. Now that I have the insight, I just have to figure out what to
do.

Arthur


On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 11:37 AM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> Hi Arthur:
>
> The simple answer is size.
>
> In car reference it is like relating a subcompact to a standard size model.
>
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
> Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2013 8:04 AM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: [dba-Tech] Netbook vs. Laptop
>
> What exactly is the difference?
>
> --
> Arthur
> Cell: 647.710.1314
>
> Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
>   -- Niels Bohr
> _______________________________________________
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-- 
Arthur
Cell: 647.710.1314

Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
  -- Niels Bohr

From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sat Jun 15 16:09:14 2013
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2013 07:09:14 +1000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Netbook vs. Laptop
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1iXNXhRW+Vr=Vd9HksWLUGvp541AHE7jGbACaj9KHObyg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1hwk35WDodGUsBvhrc0MW3S=9yW6Qen=ZFtrB2+bX0m0Q@mail.gmail.com>,
	<8F9D05F4D38C489D8DF70B9F10919AA7@server2003>,
	<CAEPJO1iXNXhRW+Vr=Vd9HksWLUGvp541AHE7jGbACaj9KHObyg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <51BCD7FA.15275.46B7CF05@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Or possibly,  " i just have to figure out what I want to do".   Then you can decide which is 
more appropriate.

-- 
Stuart

On 15 Jun 2013 at 12:05, Arthur Fuller wrote:

> Thanks, all. Now that I have the insight, I just have to figure out what to
> do.
> 
> Arthur
> 
> 
> On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 11:37 AM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
> 
> > Hi Arthur:
> >
> > The simple answer is size.
> >
> > In car reference it is like relating a subcompact to a standard size model.
> >
> > Jim
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
> > Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2013 8:04 AM
> > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> > Subject: [dba-Tech] Netbook vs. Laptop
> >
> > What exactly is the difference?
> >
> > --
> > Arthur
> > Cell: 647.710.1314
> >


From accessd at shaw.ca  Sun Jun 16 00:44:54 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2013 22:44:54 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Goodbye
In-Reply-To: <1371150678.370042342@f437.i.mail.ru>
References: <1371150678.370042342@f437.i.mail.ru>
Message-ID: <435343B6961C4079B56E2F279D7154B4@server2003>

A couple of years ago Oracle bought out Sun systems and then took possession
of two of the main products, OpenOffice and MySQL and then tried to figure
how to make money off them. Both products have been wildly successful for
years.

The first major defection was that the entire senior staff working on the
OpenOffice package quit and then opened their own competing package called
LibraOffice. Since then, even though Oracle has continued to pour money,
into OpenOffice, their new competitor has continued to surpass them in
reliability, performance and features. Recently Oracle announced they were
putting OpenOffice on the back burner as their competition LibraOffice had
climbed to an insurmountable lead and they were not going to waste more
money unless they could see some major profits...

Oracle still had the crown jewels of MySQL and they have been continuing to
develop a plan to milk the product popularity by adding pay as you go extra
features while leaving the base version untouched. Initially, there was a
huge flight of MySQL users away from the product but slowly larger supporter
have been migrating, some moving to new databases like Postgres, NoSQL dbs
and even MariaDB, a fork created by the original and senior developer of
MySQL. 

Recently, FaceBook announced that they were going to be moving one hundred
percent to a NoSQL DB. Beyond that, it must have come as a real shock when
one of MySQL's biggest proponents announced they were moving to MariaDB.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/06/15/red_hat_to_ditch_mysql_for_mariadb_i
n_rhel_7/

Jim   


From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Sun Jun 16 00:56:44 2013
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2013 22:56:44 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Goodbye
In-Reply-To: <435343B6961C4079B56E2F279D7154B4@server2003>
References: <1371150678.370042342@f437.i.mail.ru>
	<435343B6961C4079B56E2F279D7154B4@server2003>
Message-ID: <96383C27-EE80-4276-AE25-42FBBB427024@phulse.com>

Well, all my servers are already migrated over to MariaDB. :) Works great!

Best regards,
Hans-Christian Andersen


On 15 Jun 2013, at 22:44, "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> A couple of years ago Oracle bought out Sun systems and then took possession
> of two of the main products, OpenOffice and MySQL and then tried to figure
> how to make money off them. Both products have been wildly successful for
> years.
> 
> The first major defection was that the entire senior staff working on the
> OpenOffice package quit and then opened their own competing package called
> LibraOffice. Since then, even though Oracle has continued to pour money,
> into OpenOffice, their new competitor has continued to surpass them in
> reliability, performance and features. Recently Oracle announced they were
> putting OpenOffice on the back burner as their competition LibraOffice had
> climbed to an insurmountable lead and they were not going to waste more
> money unless they could see some major profits...
> 
> Oracle still had the crown jewels of MySQL and they have been continuing to
> develop a plan to milk the product popularity by adding pay as you go extra
> features while leaving the base version untouched. Initially, there was a
> huge flight of MySQL users away from the product but slowly larger supporter
> have been migrating, some moving to new databases like Postgres, NoSQL dbs
> and even MariaDB, a fork created by the original and senior developer of
> MySQL. 
> 
> Recently, FaceBook announced that they were going to be moving one hundred
> percent to a NoSQL DB. Beyond that, it must have come as a real shock when
> one of MySQL's biggest proponents announced they were moving to MariaDB.
> 
> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/06/15/red_hat_to_ditch_mysql_for_mariadb_i
> n_rhel_7/
> 
> Jim   
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Jun 17 23:20:20 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2013 21:20:20 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] FYI: Node.JS static file web server - a useful tool
	to test web apps locally
In-Reply-To: <1371150678.370042342@f437.i.mail.ru>
References: <1371150678.370042342@f437.i.mail.ru>
Message-ID: <883F28BA8F9D47209D28FD4F7CA8E7F9@server2003>

Hi Shamil:

That is a link worth saving...

For me this all will have to wait until the fall as too much is happening
right now.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov
Shamil
Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 12:11 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Softw
Subject: [dba-Tech] FYI: Node.JS static file web server - a useful tool to
test web apps locally

 Hi All --

Here is a useful web apps testing tool:

Node.JS static file web server:?https://gist.github.com/rpflorence/701407 If
you have node.js installed then you can see how such a static node.js web
server works by running this sample:

https://github.com/requirejs/example-jquery-shim ?- just download its zip
file, unzip and run

node tools/server.js
from the root of unzipped folder, then type

http://localhost:8888/www/app.html

in your browser.

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From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Tue Jun 18 06:04:04 2013
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2013 07:04:04 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Goodbye
In-Reply-To: <435343B6961C4079B56E2F279D7154B4@server2003>
References: <1371150678.370042342@f437.i.mail.ru>
	<435343B6961C4079B56E2F279D7154B4@server2003>
Message-ID: <51C03EA4.8000708@torchlake.com>

This is very good to know.  So, one more new thing to study and learn.  
Things change pretty quickly, sometimes.
T

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
231-322-2787

On 6/16/2013 1:44 AM, Jim Lawrence wrote:
> A couple of years ago Oracle bought out Sun systems and then took possession
> of two of the main products, OpenOffice and MySQL and then tried to figure
> how to make money off them. Both products have been wildly successful for
> years.
>
> The first major defection was that the entire senior staff working on the
> OpenOffice package quit and then opened their own competing package called
> LibraOffice. Since then, even though Oracle has continued to pour money,
> into OpenOffice, their new competitor has continued to surpass them in
> reliability, performance and features. Recently Oracle announced they were
> putting OpenOffice on the back burner as their competition LibraOffice had
> climbed to an insurmountable lead and they were not going to waste more
> money unless they could see some major profits...
>
> Oracle still had the crown jewels of MySQL and they have been continuing to
> develop a plan to milk the product popularity by adding pay as you go extra
> features while leaving the base version untouched. Initially, there was a
> huge flight of MySQL users away from the product but slowly larger supporter
> have been migrating, some moving to new databases like Postgres, NoSQL dbs
> and even MariaDB, a fork created by the original and senior developer of
> MySQL.
>
> Recently, FaceBook announced that they were going to be moving one hundred
> percent to a NoSQL DB. Beyond that, it must have come as a real shock when
> one of MySQL's biggest proponents announced they were moving to MariaDB.
>
> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/06/15/red_hat_to_ditch_mysql_for_mariadb_i
> n_rhel_7/
>
> Jim
>
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>


From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Tue Jun 18 09:18:11 2013
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2013 10:18:11 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Cloud Foundry
Message-ID: <51C06C23.7040503@torchlake.com>

Hi,
Just got the notice that Cloud Foundry is going to a paid service, and I 
have a 60-day free trial period to decide about actually using it.  
Anybody on the list using Cloud Foundry for hosted development work?  
I'm really very fuzzy on how this is all supposed to work, and would 
like to hear what other people have to say about it.
Thanks,
TNF

-- 
Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
231-322-2787


From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Jun 18 10:22:29 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2013 08:22:29 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Setting up an Office
In-Reply-To: <51C06C23.7040503@torchlake.com>
References: <51C06C23.7040503@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <47CB8D2469E94B96B03434F41953C9DB@server2003>

If you are setting up an office, on a budget and have decided that Linux is
your best choice the following article suggests five applications that will
be useful for business.

http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/five-apps/five-apps-to-make-the-linux-deskt
op-business-ready/1896?tag=nl.e101&s_cid=e101&ttag=e101&ftag=

Note: If your desktop OS is one of the latest versions of Ubuntu most of the
applications referred to in the article come by default.

This link is an article that suggests the applications that should be
installed to make your business Ubuntu 13.04 the perfect desktop.

http://www.howtoforge.com/the-perfect-desktop-ubuntu-13.04-raring-ringtail

Jim 


From carbonnb at gmail.com  Tue Jun 18 11:10:30 2013
From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2013 12:10:30 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Google Apps Scripting
Message-ID: <CAAZtbWH4sh=0xf2tG1X89_f=27XKODSA5QXD2xbVgZ7SVx8ONQ@mail.gmail.com>

Does anyone know of any good sites to get up to speed on Google Apps Scripting?

Google's dev site is great if you know what you are looking for, but
damned if I know what I'm looking for sometimes.

--
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com
Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well
preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out,
shouting "What a great ride!"

From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Tue Jun 18 11:22:09 2013
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2013 12:22:09 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Setting up an Office
In-Reply-To: <47CB8D2469E94B96B03434F41953C9DB@server2003>
References: <51C06C23.7040503@torchlake.com>
	<47CB8D2469E94B96B03434F41953C9DB@server2003>
Message-ID: <51C08931.9040402@torchlake.com>

Jim,

Is this connected to my question on Cloud Foundry, or a new topic 
altogether?  I'm willing to read through it, no matter which, and learn 
from the information you provide.

But, I really want to know about this Cloud Foundry thing and whether I 
should do anything at all about it.  How I got to be an 'existing user' 
is also a little fuzzy, but it seems to be connected to my signing up 
for some node.js tutorials.

TNF

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
231-322-2787

On 6/18/2013 11:22 AM, Jim Lawrence wrote:
> If you are setting up an office, on a budget and have decided that Linux is
> your best choice the following article suggests five applications that will
> be useful for business.
>
> http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/five-apps/five-apps-to-make-the-linux-deskt
> op-business-ready/1896?tag=nl.e101&s_cid=e101&ttag=e101&ftag=
>
> Note: If your desktop OS is one of the latest versions of Ubuntu most of the
> applications referred to in the article come by default.
>
> This link is an article that suggests the applications that should be
> installed to make your business Ubuntu 13.04 the perfect desktop.
>
> http://www.howtoforge.com/the-perfect-desktop-ubuntu-13.04-raring-ringtail
>
> Jim
>
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>


From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Jun 18 11:31:32 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2013 09:31:32 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Cloud Foundry
In-Reply-To: <51C06C23.7040503@torchlake.com>
References: <51C06C23.7040503@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <0EC0364B9BE64751A330AC67E01067CE@server2003>

Hi Tina:

Are you just using your Cloud for storage or as a database location or from
which to run an application? 

There is of course a variety of free small and insecure data storage
locations like DropBox but as the features increase so do the price.

Here is a list of the top provider given their features, price and a host of
other support products:

http://www.thetop10bestonlinebackup.com/cloud-storage

If you want to try to play with your own fully loaded OSS Cloud check out
OwnCloud at:
http://owncloud.org/

Note: that it is a totally new products and some features may be unstable if
pushed to the limits but the price is right for experimentation. The product
does have nightly builds so what doesn't seem to work as expected today may
work fine tomorrow. ;-)
 
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris
Fields
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 7:18 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Softw
Subject: [dba-Tech] Cloud Foundry

Hi,
Just got the notice that Cloud Foundry is going to a paid service, and I 
have a 60-day free trial period to decide about actually using it.  
Anybody on the list using Cloud Foundry for hosted development work?  
I'm really very fuzzy on how this is all supposed to work, and would 
like to hear what other people have to say about it.
Thanks,
TNF

-- 
Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
231-322-2787

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Jun 18 11:34:46 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2013 09:34:46 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Setting up an Office
In-Reply-To: <51C08931.9040402@torchlake.com>
References: <51C06C23.7040503@torchlake.com><47CB8D2469E94B96B03434F41953C9DB@server2003>
	<51C08931.9040402@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <5343BBF20E464B6BB4AB458C215D5497@server2003>

Hi Tina:

Neither. I posted this article below before I responded to you Cloud
request. That reply should show up shortly as I have already posted it.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris
Fields
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 9:22 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Setting up an Office

Jim,

Is this connected to my question on Cloud Foundry, or a new topic 
altogether?  I'm willing to read through it, no matter which, and learn 
from the information you provide.

But, I really want to know about this Cloud Foundry thing and whether I 
should do anything at all about it.  How I got to be an 'existing user' 
is also a little fuzzy, but it seems to be connected to my signing up 
for some node.js tutorials.

TNF

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
231-322-2787

On 6/18/2013 11:22 AM, Jim Lawrence wrote:
> If you are setting up an office, on a budget and have decided that Linux
is
> your best choice the following article suggests five applications that
will
> be useful for business.
>
>
http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/five-apps/five-apps-to-make-the-linux-deskt
> op-business-ready/1896?tag=nl.e101&s_cid=e101&ttag=e101&ftag=
>
> Note: If your desktop OS is one of the latest versions of Ubuntu most of
the
> applications referred to in the article come by default.
>
> This link is an article that suggests the applications that should be
> installed to make your business Ubuntu 13.04 the perfect desktop.
>
> http://www.howtoforge.com/the-perfect-desktop-ubuntu-13.04-raring-ringtail
>
> Jim
>
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>

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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Wed Jun 19 08:24:19 2013
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2013 09:24:19 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Tablet Shift
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1g-wT17Mfg6HxFCjgQn0gaqEzfPCMN9R5_nmo=_BWtvFw@mail.gmail.com>

If you see tablets everywhere, you're right. According to a story on ZDNet,
one third of adult Americans now own a tablet, and more and more are buying
them every day.

-- 
Arthur
Cell: 647.710.1314

Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
  -- Niels Bohr

From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Wed Jun 19 09:27:21 2013
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2013 07:27:21 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Network Password
In-Reply-To: <019a01ce6873$a6247d20$f26d7760$@winhaven.net>
References: <3B14741A5BED4AECBD3EC791EF291370@HAL9007>
	<019a01ce6873$a6247d20$f26d7760$@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <55C9C93EC4D44607B77C52BD20C145C8@HAL9007>

Well, much headway - first the HD failed on the laptop.  So I ran down to
Fry's, picked up a WD 500GB drive stuck it in and managed to install W&
ultimate OS and am reloading everything.

In the process, somewhere along the way, W7 asked me about sharing and led
me to the home group screen on my main box (HAL9007) and I gave the LT the
password and walla! Trouble free communication between the two boxes.

In fact, that problem appears solved.  Random walk, law of averages, trial
and error  - certainly not due to some deliberate plan on my part.  But it
works.

Next Q: Every time the LT reboots, the icons on the desktop are rearranged.
Is there any way to stop that - lock the DT icon arrangement so that W7
doesn't rearrange them for me?

MTIA

Rocky


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
jbartow at winhaven.net
Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 1:22 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Network Password

Hey Rocky,
Sorry, I kind of lost track of this post. Did you make any headway?
jb

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 10:54 AM
To: List; 'Off Topic'
Subject: [dba-Tech] Network Password

Dear Lists:
 
Time to figure this out.  I am trying to get my laptop - which I only use
for travel - to talk to my primary box so I can upload stuff I need to take
with me.  I've been working around this for a long time by copying to my
external HD and plugging that into the LT.  But that's soooo unprofessional.
 
When I try to connect to the main box from the LT or from the LT to the main
box I get a dialog box asking me to Enter Network User Name and Password but
I have no idea what this could be.  Main box does not have a login, just
fires right up - LT has a login - user name and password, but that does not
work as credentials on either box.
 
Any ideas how to find the Network User Name and Password?
 
MTIA
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com
<http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
Skype: rocky.smolin
 
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Jun 19 12:09:57 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2013 10:09:57 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Tablet Shift
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1g-wT17Mfg6HxFCjgQn0gaqEzfPCMN9R5_nmo=_BWtvFw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1g-wT17Mfg6HxFCjgQn0gaqEzfPCMN9R5_nmo=_BWtvFw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AE748B89ECB94B938E071E0C7691D828@server2003>

Hi Arthur:

IMHO, tablets are perfect for consumers; movies, games, pictures, reading
books, listening to music, communications, using Facebook etc but kind of
useless for developers and for anyone doing any comprehensive system
support. 

Another downside is that you always have to be tethered to Wi-Fi or have
Cell coverage. 

Aside: I personally dislike feeling that my computer is just a dumb-terminal
especially in the days when we are being continually monitored by both
private businesses and government agencies. 

One day I may even have such a computer but I have to accept the limitations
and exposure. 

I guess it boils down to, deciding what functionality you need and then
picking your product.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2013 6:24 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] Tablet Shift

If you see tablets everywhere, you're right. According to a story on ZDNet,
one third of adult Americans now own a tablet, and more and more are buying
them every day.

-- 
Arthur
Cell: 647.710.1314

Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
  -- Niels Bohr
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Jun 19 13:33:52 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2013 11:33:52 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Personal security
In-Reply-To: <0EC0364B9BE64751A330AC67E01067CE@server2003>
References: <51C06C23.7040503@torchlake.com>
	<0EC0364B9BE64751A330AC67E01067CE@server2003>
Message-ID: <3973E5A55F62440B92A67F6CD6392044@server2003>

Right after the NSA scare and the realization that not only the US but all
countries now have or will soon have similar systems in place, to monitor
their citizens, personal privacy, there is a move towards concealing your
surfing identity.

Enter the Tor Browser: http://tor-browser.com/index.html

When the package has been installed on your system your roaming IP address
randomly changes per session or can be changed at any time. This product
does not encrypt your data but just makes it difficult for businesses to
reap your personal information, easily cross-index your search pretences,
limit your access to regional content and stops their continually monitor
your location. If you are at all politically active it will also make it
difficult for government to monitor you, if they decide you are in
disagreement with their current position.

The browser is built on the Mozilla engine and its features and it browser
functionality is similar to Firefox. It supports all major platforms but if
you are using Debian Linux distros like Ubuntu or Mint etc, there is a much
better and easier method of installation.

1. Go to your terminal window. (Alt-Ctrl-T)

2. Enter the appropriate repository for your hardware type:
	32 bit: $ sudo add-apt-repository ppa:upubuntu-com/tor
	64 bit: $ sudo add-apt-repository ppa:upubuntu-com/tor64

3. Do a general update of all the libraries, download and install the Tor
package:
$ sudo apt-get update
$ sudo apt-get install tor-browser

4. Set up the tor directory ownership and access rights for the current
logged in user.
$ sudo chown -R $USER ~/.tor-browser

I have already installed the package and it seems to work well...so far.
(Now if I can get access to my PBS videos...) ;-)

Aside: There has been some troubles with the Tor sites as it seems that
interest in the Tor browser has jumped sharply and this has invoked internet
wide certification issues as governments and businesses don't want this
package available as there is a feeling that the program will impact both
(their) web security and their business (financial) models. So what are your
feeling on this?

Jim


From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Wed Jun 19 13:36:14 2013
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2013 14:36:14 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Tablet Shift
In-Reply-To: <AE748B89ECB94B938E071E0C7691D828@server2003>
References: <CAEPJO1g-wT17Mfg6HxFCjgQn0gaqEzfPCMN9R5_nmo=_BWtvFw@mail.gmail.com>
	<AE748B89ECB94B938E071E0C7691D828@server2003>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1gUyH9FqN1nq-vf1VnG1nsEb96BoDT6ODwGp8-6qdV0qg@mail.gmail.com>

I agree with everything that you wrote, but I suggest that the ratio of
developers to users is about 1 to 99. Further, there are excellent reasons
for developers to own a tablet, if nothing other than its ability to house
100 books (90 or so on programming and 10 fiction or whatever) in one
ten-inch space. IMO, this is why so many people are grabbing tablets:
dozens of movies, thousands of books, games and web access, all in one tiny
package.

A.


On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 1:09 PM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> Hi Arthur:
>
> IMHO, tablets are perfect for consumers; movies, games, pictures, reading
> books, listening to music, communications, using Facebook etc but kind of
> useless for developers and for anyone doing any comprehensive system
> support.
>
> Another downside is that you always have to be tethered to Wi-Fi or have
> Cell coverage.
>
> Aside: I personally dislike feeling that my computer is just a
> dumb-terminal
> especially in the days when we are being continually monitored by both
> private businesses and government agencies.
>
> One day I may even have such a computer but I have to accept the
> limitations
> and exposure.
>
> I guess it boils down to, deciding what functionality you need and then
> picking your product.
>
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
> Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2013 6:24 AM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: [dba-Tech] Tablet Shift
>
> If you see tablets everywhere, you're right. According to a story on ZDNet,
> one third of adult Americans now own a tablet, and more and more are buying
> them every day.
>
> --
> Arthur
> Cell: 647.710.1314
>
> Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
>   -- Niels Bohr
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
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>



-- 
Arthur
Cell: 647.710.1314

Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
  -- Niels Bohr

From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Wed Jun 19 14:04:46 2013
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2013 12:04:46 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Personal security
In-Reply-To: <3973E5A55F62440B92A67F6CD6392044@server2003>
References: <51C06C23.7040503@torchlake.com>
	<0EC0364B9BE64751A330AC67E01067CE@server2003>
	<3973E5A55F62440B92A67F6CD6392044@server2003>
Message-ID: <6D36A6AE-13E5-41A7-90CD-0CBE0173D014@phulse.com>

Eh, unfortunately, if Steve Gibson is right, it might not possibly matter, because he theorises that the NSA is splitting the optical cables (hence PRISM) right from the ISP at a location close to these companies data centres and just sucking up all the packets - the idea being that by being at a close proximity of the data centres, there is a higher probability that the packet is destined for these companies services. Basically, they are wiretapping Google, Microsoft, Apple, etc. The reason this matters is that this now means that these companies are completely right in denying claims that they are giving backdoor access to their data to the NSA.

Anyways, I recommend listening to Steve Gibsons recent Security Now podcast episode 408 (the state of surveillance): https://www.grc.com/securitynow.htm

- Hans


On 2013-06-19, at 11:33 AM, "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> Right after the NSA scare and the realization that not only the US but all
> countries now have or will soon have similar systems in place, to monitor
> their citizens, personal privacy, there is a move towards concealing your
> surfing identity.
> 
> Enter the Tor Browser: http://tor-browser.com/index.html
> 
> When the package has been installed on your system your roaming IP address
> randomly changes per session or can be changed at any time. This product
> does not encrypt your data but just makes it difficult for businesses to
> reap your personal information, easily cross-index your search pretences,
> limit your access to regional content and stops their continually monitor
> your location. If you are at all politically active it will also make it
> difficult for government to monitor you, if they decide you are in
> disagreement with their current position.
> 
> The browser is built on the Mozilla engine and its features and it browser
> functionality is similar to Firefox. It supports all major platforms but if
> you are using Debian Linux distros like Ubuntu or Mint etc, there is a much
> better and easier method of installation.
> 
> 1. Go to your terminal window. (Alt-Ctrl-T)
> 
> 2. Enter the appropriate repository for your hardware type:
>    32 bit: $ sudo add-apt-repository ppa:upubuntu-com/tor
>    64 bit: $ sudo add-apt-repository ppa:upubuntu-com/tor64
> 
> 3. Do a general update of all the libraries, download and install the Tor
> package:
> $ sudo apt-get update
> $ sudo apt-get install tor-browser
> 
> 4. Set up the tor directory ownership and access rights for the current
> logged in user.
> $ sudo chown -R $USER ~/.tor-browser
> 
> I have already installed the package and it seems to work well...so far.
> (Now if I can get access to my PBS videos...) ;-)
> 
> Aside: There has been some troubles with the Tor sites as it seems that
> interest in the Tor browser has jumped sharply and this has invoked internet
> wide certification issues as governments and businesses don't want this
> package available as there is a feeling that the program will impact both
> (their) web security and their business (financial) models. So what are your
> feeling on this?
> 
> Jim
> 
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com

From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Jun 19 14:12:18 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2013 12:12:18 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Tablet Shift
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1gUyH9FqN1nq-vf1VnG1nsEb96BoDT6ODwGp8-6qdV0qg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1g-wT17Mfg6HxFCjgQn0gaqEzfPCMN9R5_nmo=_BWtvFw@mail.gmail.com><AE748B89ECB94B938E071E0C7691D828@server2003>
	<CAEPJO1gUyH9FqN1nq-vf1VnG1nsEb96BoDT6ODwGp8-6qdV0qg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2D5117353E5546DFA3D757A70CB0FD51@server2003>

Hi Arthur:

I was not suggesting that a developer should not have a tablet but I did
point out the obvious limitation to the tablet products.

If you are a craftsman, you need more than one tool or a tool with more
features and functionality. To my way of thinking, a well built laptop can
do both. Also a laptop can actually store your music, movies, books and
games locally and you do not need network access to enjoy them. That is
another of a tablets limitations is their lack of local storage capacity. As
soon as a tablet has 2 to 3 TB capacity I will become very interested.

Jim 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2013 11:36 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Tablet Shift

I agree with everything that you wrote, but I suggest that the ratio of
developers to users is about 1 to 99. Further, there are excellent reasons
for developers to own a tablet, if nothing other than its ability to house
100 books (90 or so on programming and 10 fiction or whatever) in one
ten-inch space. IMO, this is why so many people are grabbing tablets:
dozens of movies, thousands of books, games and web access, all in one tiny
package.

A.


On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 1:09 PM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> Hi Arthur:
>
> IMHO, tablets are perfect for consumers; movies, games, pictures, reading
> books, listening to music, communications, using Facebook etc but kind of
> useless for developers and for anyone doing any comprehensive system
> support.
>
> Another downside is that you always have to be tethered to Wi-Fi or have
> Cell coverage.
>
> Aside: I personally dislike feeling that my computer is just a
> dumb-terminal
> especially in the days when we are being continually monitored by both
> private businesses and government agencies.
>
> One day I may even have such a computer but I have to accept the
> limitations
> and exposure.
>
> I guess it boils down to, deciding what functionality you need and then
> picking your product.
>
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
> Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2013 6:24 AM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: [dba-Tech] Tablet Shift
>
> If you see tablets everywhere, you're right. According to a story on
ZDNet,
> one third of adult Americans now own a tablet, and more and more are
buying
> them every day.
>
> --
> Arthur
> Cell: 647.710.1314
>
> Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
>   -- Niels Bohr
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
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>



-- 
Arthur
Cell: 647.710.1314

Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
  -- Niels Bohr
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From peter.brawley at earthlink.net  Wed Jun 19 15:07:09 2013
From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley)
Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2013 15:07:09 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Tablet Shift
In-Reply-To: <2D5117353E5546DFA3D757A70CB0FD51@server2003>
References: <CAEPJO1g-wT17Mfg6HxFCjgQn0gaqEzfPCMN9R5_nmo=_BWtvFw@mail.gmail.com><AE748B89ECB94B938E071E0C7691D828@server2003>
	<CAEPJO1gUyH9FqN1nq-vf1VnG1nsEb96BoDT6ODwGp8-6qdV0qg@mail.gmail.com>
	<2D5117353E5546DFA3D757A70CB0FD51@server2003>
Message-ID: <51C20F6D.7090308@earthlink.net>

On 2013-06-19 2:12 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote:
> Hi Arthur:
>
> I was not suggesting that a developer should not have a tablet but I did
> point out the obvious limitation to the tablet products.
>
> If you are a craftsman, you need more than one tool or a tool with more
> features and functionality. To my way of thinking, a well built laptop can
> do both. Also a laptop can actually store your music, movies, books and
> games locally and you do not need network access to enjoy them. That is
> another of a tablets limitations is their lack of local storage capacity. As
> soon as a tablet has 2 to 3 TB capacity I will become very interested.

Well, Jim, these days I have four working desktops and a working laptop, 
but in the year or so since I bought a little 7" Android 4 tablet, I 
mostly prefer that device for reading books & articles & watching online 
videos. Why? Size. Pocketability actually. Simplicity. Convenience. The 
pleasant intimacy of the experience. Quick response. Also it has a cute 
app that runs the set-top box that plays music from our server.

A tablet that can hold all my terabytes of music & film might be even 
more appealing, but this wee device with 8G inside and 32G on a card has 
already cut several hours a day from my time in front of any of the 
"real" computers in the house, and it's made that reading & viewing a 
whole lot more fun in the process.

Tablet sales numbers suggest that might be a fairly general sentiment.

PB

-----

>
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
> Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2013 11:36 AM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Tablet Shift
>
> I agree with everything that you wrote, but I suggest that the ratio of
> developers to users is about 1 to 99. Further, there are excellent reasons
> for developers to own a tablet, if nothing other than its ability to house
> 100 books (90 or so on programming and 10 fiction or whatever) in one
> ten-inch space. IMO, this is why so many people are grabbing tablets:
> dozens of movies, thousands of books, games and web access, all in one tiny
> package.
>
> A.
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 1:09 PM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
>
>> Hi Arthur:
>>
>> IMHO, tablets are perfect for consumers; movies, games, pictures, reading
>> books, listening to music, communications, using Facebook etc but kind of
>> useless for developers and for anyone doing any comprehensive system
>> support.
>>
>> Another downside is that you always have to be tethered to Wi-Fi or have
>> Cell coverage.
>>
>> Aside: I personally dislike feeling that my computer is just a
>> dumb-terminal
>> especially in the days when we are being continually monitored by both
>> private businesses and government agencies.
>>
>> One day I may even have such a computer but I have to accept the
>> limitations
>> and exposure.
>>
>> I guess it boils down to, deciding what functionality you need and then
>> picking your product.
>>
>> Jim
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2013 6:24 AM
>> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>> Subject: [dba-Tech] Tablet Shift
>>
>> If you see tablets everywhere, you're right. According to a story on
> ZDNet,
>> one third of adult Americans now own a tablet, and more and more are
> buying
>> them every day.
>>
>> --
>> Arthur
>> Cell: 647.710.1314
>>
>> Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
>>    -- Niels Bohr
>> _______________________________________________
>> dba-Tech mailing list
>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> dba-Tech mailing list
>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>
>


From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Jun 19 15:07:30 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2013 13:07:30 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Personal security
In-Reply-To: <3973E5A55F62440B92A67F6CD6392044@server2003>
References: <51C06C23.7040503@torchlake.com><0EC0364B9BE64751A330AC67E01067CE@server2003>
	<3973E5A55F62440B92A67F6CD6392044@server2003>
Message-ID: <FDF87C979F1A4A109281D40B527DF644@server2003>

Hi All:

I want to make one correct hear that the Tor browser is actually a plug-in
which attaches to your current browser and does not replace it. On the
Ubuntu computer, on which I initially installed the package, the original
copy of the browser remained and a new Tor copy was created. 

Jim 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2013 11:34 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: [dba-Tech] Personal security

Right after the NSA scare and the realization that not only the US but all
countries now have or will soon have similar systems in place, to monitor
their citizens, personal privacy, there is a move towards concealing your
surfing identity.

Enter the Tor Browser: http://tor-browser.com/index.html

When the package has been installed on your system your roaming IP address
randomly changes per session or can be changed at any time. This product
does not encrypt your data but just makes it difficult for businesses to
reap your personal information, easily cross-index your search pretences,
limit your access to regional content and stops their continually monitor
your location. If you are at all politically active it will also make it
difficult for government to monitor you, if they decide you are in
disagreement with their current position.

The browser is built on the Mozilla engine and its features and it browser
functionality is similar to Firefox. It supports all major platforms but if
you are using Debian Linux distros like Ubuntu or Mint etc, there is a much
better and easier method of installation.

1. Go to your terminal window. (Alt-Ctrl-T)

2. Enter the appropriate repository for your hardware type:
	32 bit: $ sudo add-apt-repository ppa:upubuntu-com/tor
	64 bit: $ sudo add-apt-repository ppa:upubuntu-com/tor64

3. Do a general update of all the libraries, download and install the Tor
package:
$ sudo apt-get update
$ sudo apt-get install tor-browser

4. Set up the tor directory ownership and access rights for the current
logged in user.
$ sudo chown -R $USER ~/.tor-browser

I have already installed the package and it seems to work well...so far.
(Now if I can get access to my PBS videos...) ;-)

Aside: There has been some troubles with the Tor sites as it seems that
interest in the Tor browser has jumped sharply and this has invoked internet
wide certification issues as governments and businesses don't want this
package available as there is a feeling that the program will impact both
(their) web security and their business (financial) models. So what are your
feeling on this?

Jim

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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Wed Jun 19 16:22:49 2013
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2013 14:22:49 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] DBD Drive Hosed
Message-ID: <C2A64F0043504572906730708A761DC0@HAL9007>

Dear Lists:
 
O.K. - now I've got a serious problem and the internets have let me down.
I'm reinstalling everything on my laptop - going real smooth (for a change)
and now the DVD drive won't display in the Computer Window. Device Manager
says 'Windows cannot start this hardware device because its configuration
information (in the registry) is incomplete or damaged."
 
So I can't figure out how to do the repair.  Update drive doesn't work -
says I've already got the latest drive.  Don't want to uninstall because I
don't know how to reinstall.
 
What to do?  What to do?  
 
MTIA
 
Rocky
 

From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Thu Jun 20 05:43:25 2013
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2013 06:43:25 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Alpha Anywhere Official Announcement
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1hCMkK7_REtRP70z1zdbuibYrwiGPQ7YW21zYYG-RZ0Xg@mail.gmail.com>

Yesterday Alpha Software announced the release of Alpha Anywhere, a rapid
development platform that enables developers to write once and run on
phones, tablets and desktop browsers.

Perhaps even more interesting is that the company hired software legend Dan
Bricklin (author of VisiCalc) as CTO. Looks like exciting times for the
company.

-- 
Arthur
Cell: 647.710.1314

Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
  -- Niels Bohr

From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu Jun 20 05:51:51 2013
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2013 20:51:51 +1000
Subject: [dba-Tech] DBD Drive Hosed
In-Reply-To: <C2A64F0043504572906730708A761DC0@HAL9007>
References: <C2A64F0043504572906730708A761DC0@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <51C2DEC7.3368.104ADBA4@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

In that situation, I normally do uninstall.  Just go to Device Manager, uninstall the problem 
device and let Windows recognise again and re-instal the driver for it.

For things like built in DVD drives, it's normally automatic once you uninstall.

-- 
Stuart

On 19 Jun 2013 at 14:22, Rocky Smolin wrote:

> Dear Lists:
>  
> O.K. - now I've got a serious problem and the internets have let me down.
> I'm reinstalling everything on my laptop - going real smooth (for a change)
> and now the DVD drive won't display in the Computer Window. Device Manager
> says 'Windows cannot start this hardware device because its configuration
> information (in the registry) is incomplete or damaged."
>  
> So I can't figure out how to do the repair.  Update drive doesn't work -
> says I've already got the latest drive.  Don't want to uninstall because I
> don't know how to reinstall.
>  
> What to do?  What to do?  
>  
> MTIA
>  
> Rocky
>  
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 



From paul.hartland at googlemail.com  Thu Jun 20 05:55:37 2013
From: paul.hartland at googlemail.com (Paul Hartland)
Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2013 11:55:37 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] DBD Drive Hosed
In-Reply-To: <C2A64F0043504572906730708A761DC0@HAL9007>
References: <C2A64F0043504572906730708A761DC0@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <CALGJE97rVsLJ+eYaOi=NA=Zy0mjyjDSLvjL3iMzqxVMNpsW2Nw@mail.gmail.com>

Rocky,

I was pointed to this article http://support.microsoft.com/kb/929461

Paul


On 19 June 2013 22:22, Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:

> Dear Lists:
>
> O.K. - now I've got a serious problem and the internets have let me down.
> I'm reinstalling everything on my laptop - going real smooth (for a change)
> and now the DVD drive won't display in the Computer Window. Device Manager
> says 'Windows cannot start this hardware device because its configuration
> information (in the registry) is incomplete or damaged."
>
> So I can't figure out how to do the repair.  Update drive doesn't work -
> says I've already got the latest drive.  Don't want to uninstall because I
> don't know how to reinstall.
>
> What to do?  What to do?
>
> MTIA
>
> Rocky
>
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>



-- 
Paul Hartland
paul.hartland at googlemail.com

From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Thu Jun 20 08:27:08 2013
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2013 06:27:08 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] DBD Drive Hosed
In-Reply-To: <CALGJE97rVsLJ+eYaOi=NA=Zy0mjyjDSLvjL3iMzqxVMNpsW2Nw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <C2A64F0043504572906730708A761DC0@HAL9007>
	<CALGJE97rVsLJ+eYaOi=NA=Zy0mjyjDSLvjL3iMzqxVMNpsW2Nw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <606A5B056C664AD08CD5CDD25EFAFAFF@HAL9007>

I went back to a restore point - and reloaded the stuff after that point.
Had to go back 2 points but that worked. 

Thanks

Rocky
 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Paul Hartland
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2013 3:56 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] DBD Drive Hosed

Rocky,

I was pointed to this article http://support.microsoft.com/kb/929461

Paul


On 19 June 2013 22:22, Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:

> Dear Lists:
>
> O.K. - now I've got a serious problem and the internets have let me down.
> I'm reinstalling everything on my laptop - going real smooth (for a 
> change) and now the DVD drive won't display in the Computer Window. 
> Device Manager says 'Windows cannot start this hardware device because 
> its configuration information (in the registry) is incomplete or damaged."
>
> So I can't figure out how to do the repair.  Update drive doesn't work 
> - says I've already got the latest drive.  Don't want to uninstall 
> because I don't know how to reinstall.
>
> What to do?  What to do?
>
> MTIA
>
> Rocky
>
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>



--
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Thu Jun 20 10:30:03 2013
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2013 11:30:03 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] DBD Drive Hosed
In-Reply-To: <606A5B056C664AD08CD5CDD25EFAFAFF@HAL9007>
References: <C2A64F0043504572906730708A761DC0@HAL9007>
	<CALGJE97rVsLJ+eYaOi=NA=Zy0mjyjDSLvjL3iMzqxVMNpsW2Nw@mail.gmail.com>
	<606A5B056C664AD08CD5CDD25EFAFAFF@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1jDPRYqgbYGTuKT+n-zM3haA_V_1E_0iohy+Sjep_xnEw@mail.gmail.com>

Hooray!


On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 9:27 AM, Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>wrote:

> I went back to a restore point - and reloaded the stuff after that point.
> Had to go back 2 points but that worked.
>
> Thanks
>
> Rocky
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Paul Hartland
> Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2013 3:56 AM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] DBD Drive Hosed
>
> Rocky,
>
> I was pointed to this article http://support.microsoft.com/kb/929461
>
> Paul
>
>
> On 19 June 2013 22:22, Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:
>
> > Dear Lists:
> >
> > O.K. - now I've got a serious problem and the internets have let me down.
> > I'm reinstalling everything on my laptop - going real smooth (for a
> > change) and now the DVD drive won't display in the Computer Window.
> > Device Manager says 'Windows cannot start this hardware device because
> > its configuration information (in the registry) is incomplete or
> damaged."
> >
> > So I can't figure out how to do the repair.  Update drive doesn't work
> > - says I've already got the latest drive.  Don't want to uninstall
> > because I don't know how to reinstall.
> >
> > What to do?  What to do?
> >
> > MTIA
> >
> > Rocky
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > dba-Tech mailing list
> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Paul Hartland
> paul.hartland at googlemail.com
> _______________________________________________
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>



-- 
Arthur
Cell: 647.710.1314

Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
  -- Niels Bohr

From jbartow at winhaven.net  Thu Jun 20 23:00:51 2013
From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow)
Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2013 23:00:51 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] DBD Drive Hosed
In-Reply-To: <51C2DEC7.3368.104ADBA4@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <C2A64F0043504572906730708A761DC0@HAL9007>
	<51C2DEC7.3368.104ADBA4@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <00a401ce6e33$ec1cf030$c456d090$@winhaven.net>

I wonder if it was the moon phase or something. I had all of my cd/dvd
drives (3) in this machine do that this week. I did as you suggested.

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2013 5:52 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Cc: dba-ot at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] DBD Drive Hosed

In that situation, I normally do uninstall.  Just go to Device Manager,
uninstall the problem device and let Windows recognise again and re-instal
the driver for it.

For things like built in DVD drives, it's normally automatic once you
uninstall.

--
Stuart

On 19 Jun 2013 at 14:22, Rocky Smolin wrote:

> Dear Lists:
>  
> O.K. - now I've got a serious problem and the internets have let me down.
> I'm reinstalling everything on my laptop - going real smooth (for a 
> change) and now the DVD drive won't display in the Computer Window. 
> Device Manager says 'Windows cannot start this hardware device because 
> its configuration information (in the registry) is incomplete or damaged."
>  
> So I can't figure out how to do the repair.  Update drive doesn't work 
> - says I've already got the latest drive.  Don't want to uninstall 
> because I don't know how to reinstall.
>  
> What to do?  What to do?  
>  
> MTIA
>  
> Rocky
>  
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 


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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Thu Jun 20 11:17:29 2013
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2013 09:17:29 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] DBD Drive Hosed
In-Reply-To: <00a401ce6e33$ec1cf030$c456d090$@winhaven.net>
References: <C2A64F0043504572906730708A761DC0@HAL9007><51C2DEC7.3368.104ADBA4@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<00a401ce6e33$ec1cf030$c456d090$@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <1ACD4CAA0F3D4B6D8145067777E34E2C@HAL9007>

Something to do with uranus, I think.

r 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John R Bartow
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2013 9:01 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] DBD Drive Hosed

I wonder if it was the moon phase or something. I had all of my cd/dvd
drives (3) in this machine do that this week. I did as you suggested.

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2013 5:52 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Cc: dba-ot at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] DBD Drive Hosed

In that situation, I normally do uninstall.  Just go to Device Manager,
uninstall the problem device and let Windows recognise again and re-instal
the driver for it.

For things like built in DVD drives, it's normally automatic once you
uninstall.

--
Stuart

On 19 Jun 2013 at 14:22, Rocky Smolin wrote:

> Dear Lists:
>  
> O.K. - now I've got a serious problem and the internets have let me down.
> I'm reinstalling everything on my laptop - going real smooth (for a
> change) and now the DVD drive won't display in the Computer Window. 
> Device Manager says 'Windows cannot start this hardware device because 
> its configuration information (in the registry) is incomplete or damaged."
>  
> So I can't figure out how to do the repair.  Update drive doesn't work
> - says I've already got the latest drive.  Don't want to uninstall 
> because I don't know how to reinstall.
>  
> What to do?  What to do?  
>  
> MTIA
>  
> Rocky
>  
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 


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From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Jun 20 12:26:39 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2013 10:26:39 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Alpha Anywhere Official Announcement
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1hCMkK7_REtRP70z1zdbuibYrwiGPQ7YW21zYYG-RZ0Xg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1hCMkK7_REtRP70z1zdbuibYrwiGPQ7YW21zYYG-RZ0Xg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <410357977686444892BC7331E1924F71@server2003>

Hi Arthur:

It sounds like a product that is ascending.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2013 3:43 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] Alpha Anywhere Official Announcement

Yesterday Alpha Software announced the release of Alpha Anywhere, a rapid
development platform that enables developers to write once and run on
phones, tablets and desktop browsers.

Perhaps even more interesting is that the company hired software legend Dan
Bricklin (author of VisiCalc) as CTO. Looks like exciting times for the
company.

-- 
Arthur
Cell: 647.710.1314

Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
  -- Niels Bohr
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Thu Jun 20 15:56:48 2013
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2013 16:56:48 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Alpha Anywhere Official Announcement
In-Reply-To: <410357977686444892BC7331E1924F71@server2003>
References: <CAEPJO1hCMkK7_REtRP70z1zdbuibYrwiGPQ7YW21zYYG-RZ0Xg@mail.gmail.com>
	<410357977686444892BC7331E1924F71@server2003>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1iQ3VwKObbDmqYDaDou6uS_ORvDM9uqM_fa1CV=pLiY6Q@mail.gmail.com>

Yup! And I say this with full disclosure: no profit or interests involved,
anywhere, as it were. I just think that these guys Rock!

A.


On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 1:26 PM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> Hi Arthur:
>
> It sounds like a product that is ascending.
>
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
> Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2013 3:43 AM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: [dba-Tech] Alpha Anywhere Official Announcement
>
> Yesterday Alpha Software announced the release of Alpha Anywhere, a rapid
> development platform that enables developers to write once and run on
> phones, tablets and desktop browsers.
>
> Perhaps even more interesting is that the company hired software legend Dan
> Bricklin (author of VisiCalc) as CTO. Looks like exciting times for the
> company.
>
> --
> Arthur
> Cell: 647.710.1314
>
> Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
>   -- Niels Bohr
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
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> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
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>



-- 
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Cell: 647.710.1314

Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
  -- Niels Bohr

From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Jun 20 21:13:44 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2013 19:13:44 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] SystemInterals
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1iQ3VwKObbDmqYDaDou6uS_ORvDM9uqM_fa1CV=pLiY6Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1hCMkK7_REtRP70z1zdbuibYrwiGPQ7YW21zYYG-RZ0Xg@mail.gmail.com><410357977686444892BC7331E1924F71@server2003>
	<CAEPJO1iQ3VwKObbDmqYDaDou6uS_ORvDM9uqM_fa1CV=pLiY6Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <12C07E36A5524DD184F4108AE74AC833@server2003>

Hi All:

I have often wondered at the best methods to use the Systeminternals group
of products for resolving problems with Windows; like the finding and
removing of malware.

The following video seems to be an excellent introduction.

http://channel9.msdn.com/Events/TechEd/NorthAmerica/2013/ATC-B308#fbid=2ezpy
lWHkiX

Jim


From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Jun 20 22:08:09 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2013 20:08:09 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Personal security
In-Reply-To: <6D36A6AE-13E5-41A7-90CD-0CBE0173D014@phulse.com>
References: <51C06C23.7040503@torchlake.com><0EC0364B9BE64751A330AC67E01067CE@server2003><3973E5A55F62440B92A67F6CD6392044@server2003>
	<6D36A6AE-13E5-41A7-90CD-0CBE0173D014@phulse.com>
Message-ID: <4DC509D6172B400599FE29E68748D96A@server2003>

Hi Hans:

You are right. Just obscuring your IP address does not provide any real
protection against the details or content of your communications over the
web.

There are a few other products that may help in that area. One extension,
like TorBirdy might help by configuring Thunderbird to make connections over
the Tor anonymity network. 

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-us/thunderbird/addon/torbirdy/

Another product called HTTPS Anywhere, can be used to encrypt communications
between multiple parties. It is also compatible with the Tor network.

https://www.eff.org/https-everywhere

Then there is the Enigmail extension, which is also compatible with Firefox
and can be used to encrypt emails and messages.

http://www.enigmail.net/home/index.php

There are products like Bittorrent sync which can be used to obscure web
and/or large file transfers as it uses torrents (file fragmentation through
multiple nodes) to transfer files.

http://labs.bittorrent.com/experiments/sync/get-started.html

For a secure social media site maybe a torrent based product like Diaspora*
might be a valid option.

https://joindiaspora.com/

I think in the near future we will see many such applications being
developed as the prospect of being continually spied on may be unpalatable
to many individuals, organizations and companies. 

The podcast was very informative...really enjoyed it.

Just remember; if you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear. 

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hans-Christian
Andersen
Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2013 12:05 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Personal security

Eh, unfortunately, if Steve Gibson is right, it might not possibly matter,
because he theorises that the NSA is splitting the optical cables (hence
PRISM) right from the ISP at a location close to these companies data
centres and just sucking up all the packets - the idea being that by being
at a close proximity of the data centres, there is a higher probability that
the packet is destined for these companies services. Basically, they are
wiretapping Google, Microsoft, Apple, etc. The reason this matters is that
this now means that these companies are completely right in denying claims
that they are giving backdoor access to their data to the NSA.

Anyways, I recommend listening to Steve Gibsons recent Security Now podcast
episode 408 (the state of surveillance): https://www.grc.com/securitynow.htm

- Hans


On 2013-06-19, at 11:33 AM, "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> Right after the NSA scare and the realization that not only the US but all
> countries now have or will soon have similar systems in place, to monitor
> their citizens, personal privacy, there is a move towards concealing your
> surfing identity.
> 
> Enter the Tor Browser: http://tor-browser.com/index.html
> 
> When the package has been installed on your system your roaming IP address
> randomly changes per session or can be changed at any time. This product
> does not encrypt your data but just makes it difficult for businesses to
> reap your personal information, easily cross-index your search pretences,
> limit your access to regional content and stops their continually monitor
> your location. If you are at all politically active it will also make it
> difficult for government to monitor you, if they decide you are in
> disagreement with their current position.
> 
> The browser is built on the Mozilla engine and its features and it browser
> functionality is similar to Firefox. It supports all major platforms but
if
> you are using Debian Linux distros like Ubuntu or Mint etc, there is a
much
> better and easier method of installation.
> 
> 1. Go to your terminal window. (Alt-Ctrl-T)
> 
> 2. Enter the appropriate repository for your hardware type:
>    32 bit: $ sudo add-apt-repository ppa:upubuntu-com/tor
>    64 bit: $ sudo add-apt-repository ppa:upubuntu-com/tor64
> 
> 3. Do a general update of all the libraries, download and install the Tor
> package:
> $ sudo apt-get update
> $ sudo apt-get install tor-browser
> 
> 4. Set up the tor directory ownership and access rights for the current
> logged in user.
> $ sudo chown -R $USER ~/.tor-browser
> 
> I have already installed the package and it seems to work well...so far.
> (Now if I can get access to my PBS videos...) ;-)
> 
> Aside: There has been some troubles with the Tor sites as it seems that
> interest in the Tor browser has jumped sharply and this has invoked
internet
> wide certification issues as governments and businesses don't want this
> package available as there is a feeling that the program will impact both
> (their) web security and their business (financial) models. So what are
your
> feeling on this?
> 
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From hkotsch at arcor.de  Fri Jun 21 05:25:02 2013
From: hkotsch at arcor.de (Helmut Kotsch)
Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2013 12:25:02 +0200
Subject: [dba-Tech] SystemInterals
In-Reply-To: <12C07E36A5524DD184F4108AE74AC833@server2003>
Message-ID: <JIECLJNJOMBJFEDLONCBMEFBKFAA.hkotsch@arcor.de>

Did you take a look at:

http://www.nirsoft.net/

It has all the enchilada a PC person needs in one package.

Helmut

-----Ursprungliche Nachricht-----
Von: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]Im Auftrag von Jim
Lawrence
Gesendet: Freitag, 21. Juni 2013 04:14
An: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Betreff: [dba-Tech] SystemInterals


Hi All:

I have often wondered at the best methods to use the Systeminternals group
of products for resolving problems with Windows; like the finding and
removing of malware.

The following video seems to be an excellent introduction.

http://channel9.msdn.com/Events/TechEd/NorthAmerica/2013/ATC-B308#fbid=2ezpy
lWHkiX

Jim

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Jun 21 10:48:13 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2013 08:48:13 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] SystemInterals
In-Reply-To: <JIECLJNJOMBJFEDLONCBMEFBKFAA.hkotsch@arcor.de>
References: <12C07E36A5524DD184F4108AE74AC833@server2003>
	<JIECLJNJOMBJFEDLONCBMEFBKFAA.hkotsch@arcor.de>
Message-ID: <138F8BCFA74D4E2C92A938EB3000E0F9@server2003>

Hi Helmut:

That looks like an excellent selection of tools for all occasions...thank
you.

I will definitely keep the link.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Helmut Kotsch
Sent: Friday, June 21, 2013 3:25 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] SystemInterals

Did you take a look at:

http://www.nirsoft.net/

It has all the enchilada a PC person needs in one package.

Helmut

-----Ursprungliche Nachricht-----
Von: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]Im Auftrag von Jim
Lawrence
Gesendet: Freitag, 21. Juni 2013 04:14
An: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Betreff: [dba-Tech] SystemInterals


Hi All:

I have often wondered at the best methods to use the Systeminternals group
of products for resolving problems with Windows; like the finding and
removing of malware.

The following video seems to be an excellent introduction.

http://channel9.msdn.com/Events/TechEd/NorthAmerica/2013/ATC-B308#fbid=2ezpy
lWHkiX

Jim

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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Sat Jun 22 11:41:13 2013
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2013 12:41:13 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] PHP 5.0 Released
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1jfEmknFihRYDWeFPyH1me1ju5dC2--eHSory+yurf0dg@mail.gmail.com>

>From slashdot...

"The long-awaited PHP 5.5.0 has finally been
released<http://php.net/archive/2013.php#id2013-06-20-1>,
bringing many new features and integrating Zend's recently open-sourced
OPcache. With the new Laravel <http://laravel.com/> PHP framework winning
RoRs and CodeIgnitor converts by the thousands, Google recently
announcing support
for PHP in its App
Engine<https://developers.google.com/appengine/docs/php/> and
the current PHP renaissance is well
underway<https://tutsplus.com/tutorial/why-laravel-is-taking-the-php-community-by-storm/>.
This is great news for the web's most popular scripting language."

-- 
Arthur
Cell: 647.710.1314

Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
  -- Niels Bohr

From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Sat Jun 22 12:00:45 2013
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2013 13:00:45 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Virtual Brain
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1jdB6nrbcs76Nq2rZamCucu5MbaCn0aUeTv1M65ijG33Q@mail.gmail.com>

Toronto's Rotman Research has released its The Virtual Brain code for
public consumption. Information and downloads can be had at
http://thevirtualbrain.org/.

-- 
Arthur
Cell: 647.710.1314

Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
  -- Niels Bohr

From accessd at shaw.ca  Sat Jun 22 12:11:50 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2013 10:11:50 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] A traffic increase
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1jdB6nrbcs76Nq2rZamCucu5MbaCn0aUeTv1M65ijG33Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1jdB6nrbcs76Nq2rZamCucu5MbaCn0aUeTv1M65ijG33Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E1B2A4A630E3431FAB118C0D2C6ADBEF@server2003>

The Duck-Duck-Go search engine (https://duckduckgo.com/) see record traffic
after the NSA confirmation. See the follow graph of the spike in new
traffic:

https://duckduckgo.com/traffic.html

See the following article 

http://searchenginewatch.com/article/2275867/DuckDuckGo-Sees-Record-Traffic-
After-NSA-PRISM-Scandal

Is it time to change your default search engine from Bing, Yahoo and Googel?

Jim


From accessd at shaw.ca  Sat Jun 22 12:16:50 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2013 10:16:50 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] An introduction to Nginx
In-Reply-To: <E1B2A4A630E3431FAB118C0D2C6ADBEF@server2003>
References: <CAEPJO1jdB6nrbcs76Nq2rZamCucu5MbaCn0aUeTv1M65ijG33Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<E1B2A4A630E3431FAB118C0D2C6ADBEF@server2003>
Message-ID: <F551E08567B641A9A034AFFD90B627F1@server2003>

For all those who have a curiosity on how to use the new super
high-performance event driven web server, Nginx, here is a link to a simple
introduction to the product and its use.

http://carrot.is/coding/nginx_introduction

Jim


From accessd at shaw.ca  Sun Jun 23 08:54:48 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2013 06:54:48 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] F# to JavaScript?
In-Reply-To: <F551E08567B641A9A034AFFD90B627F1@server2003>
References: <CAEPJO1jdB6nrbcs76Nq2rZamCucu5MbaCn0aUeTv1M65ijG33Q@mail.gmail.com><E1B2A4A630E3431FAB118C0D2C6ADBEF@server2003>
	<F551E08567B641A9A034AFFD90B627F1@server2003>
Message-ID: <9CF3262DAC954995A1E0D12864179FF7@server2003>

Hi All:

Here is something interesting to be sure. A small new language or API which
you can attach via library to JavaScript and extend it. It is an attempt to
leverage F# into the FE world of the web.

http://funscript.info/

Here is an example of it working:
http://funscript.info/samples/moviedatabase.html

...and a presentation video:
http://channel9.msdn.com/posts/Tomas-Petricek-How-F-Learned-to-Stop-Worrying
-and-Love-the-Data

Jim


From accessd at shaw.ca  Sun Jun 23 09:46:53 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2013 07:46:53 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] The graphic database: Neo4j
In-Reply-To: <9CF3262DAC954995A1E0D12864179FF7@server2003>
References: <CAEPJO1jdB6nrbcs76Nq2rZamCucu5MbaCn0aUeTv1M65ijG33Q@mail.gmail.com><E1B2A4A630E3431FAB118C0D2C6ADBEF@server2003><F551E08567B641A9A034AFFD90B627F1@server2003>
	<9CF3262DAC954995A1E0D12864179FF7@server2003>
Message-ID: <D849069F6A5A43D9A9C6685E0EE73947@server2003>

Hi All:

With the relational database no longer being the only option enters a whole
myriad of databases loosely called NoSQL databases are now available. One of
database types within this large group is defined as the Graphic database.

It has been basically flying under the radar for years but now with such
companies as NSA looking for good way to represent the world's internet
using population such a system will become more relevant. Maybe in the years
to come you might just go to a related site to view your current "score"
much like people do today view their credit-score, tomorrow we will be able
to view our security-score. You just never know who you may have met over
the weekend or if some competitor ratted you out and you are now on some no
fly list. ;-) (The above is a little tongue-in-cheek but...)

If you have a Facebook presence and would like to see a working example of a
Graphic database, on the left column, click on the option labeled;
"myFnetwork - Visualize your friends network!" and you can then see a
weighted graphic representation of your various Facebook associates and
associations.
 
Find attached a video and explanation of what a NoSQL Graphic Database is:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Dr0KfJXqMbs#at=341

The Neo4j database, described in the above linked video, is an OSS project
so you can download it use it and maybe apply it some project you are
working on:
http://www.neo4j.org/?gclid=CLOd_ras-rcCFY9eQgodjwsA4g

Jim    


From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Jun 24 11:47:41 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2013 09:47:41 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows or Linux or both?
In-Reply-To: <D849069F6A5A43D9A9C6685E0EE73947@server2003>
References: <CAEPJO1jdB6nrbcs76Nq2rZamCucu5MbaCn0aUeTv1M65ijG33Q@mail.gmail.com><E1B2A4A630E3431FAB118C0D2C6ADBEF@server2003><F551E08567B641A9A034AFFD90B627F1@server2003><9CF3262DAC954995A1E0D12864179FF7@server2003>
	<D849069F6A5A43D9A9C6685E0EE73947@server2003>
Message-ID: <A13126A9D2FA4EA38C30886C5B863051@server2003>

The following article is written by a Windows and Linux user and how and
where he found the middle ground.

http://luaz.blogspot.ca/2013/06/a-funny-case-of-using-pc.html

Jim


From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Jun 24 12:11:32 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2013 10:11:32 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] As a developer what would you buy?
In-Reply-To: <A13126A9D2FA4EA38C30886C5B863051@server2003>
References: <CAEPJO1jdB6nrbcs76Nq2rZamCucu5MbaCn0aUeTv1M65ijG33Q@mail.gmail.com><E1B2A4A630E3431FAB118C0D2C6ADBEF@server2003><F551E08567B641A9A034AFFD90B627F1@server2003><9CF3262DAC954995A1E0D12864179FF7@server2003><D849069F6A5A43D9A9C6685E0EE73947@server2003>
	<A13126A9D2FA4EA38C30886C5B863051@server2003>
Message-ID: <35959F4BFC814BA8924D7317E58B4209@server2003>

Survey: 

My desktop is on its last legs. If you're in my situation what would you
buy?

Option Votes %   
Traditional desktop machine (Tower and separate monitor) 	682
51.75  
I'll wait for the new Mac Pro 					 41
3.11  
Large Laptop 								299
22.69  
Small laptop or Ultrabook 						173
13.13  
All-in-One PC or iMac 							 59
4.48  
Small Mini-PC (eg Zotac or Mac-mini) 				  9
0.68  
Tiny Mini/Micro-PC (eg Raspberry Pi or Android mini) 		  7    0.53

My phone + keyboard and monitor adapter 				 25
1.90  
Other 									 23
1.75  
Total 								     1318
100%  

Note: the columns on the layout above may wander as text emails rarely stay
in tact when posted.

So if a developer was to choose a type of platform on which to do their
development it appears that desktops and laptops rule by around 87 percent
and only a relatively small percentage would attempt to choose anything
else...so the PC is not quite dead yet.

Jim


From jbartow at winhaven.net  Mon Jun 24 13:17:37 2013
From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow)
Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2013 13:17:37 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] MS Web apps real time coauthoring
Message-ID: <00fb01ce7107$1bfb0af0$53f120d0$@winhaven.net>

I thought some of you would find this discussion worthy:
http://winsupersite.com/office-365/microsoft-previews-real-time-co-authoring
-office-web-apps



From jbartow at winhaven.net  Mon Jun 24 13:44:07 2013
From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow)
Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2013 13:44:07 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] MS Web apps real time coauthoring
In-Reply-To: <00fb01ce7107$1bfb0af0$53f120d0$@winhaven.net>
References: <00fb01ce7107$1bfb0af0$53f120d0$@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <011001ce710a$cf989ca0$6ec9d5e0$@winhaven.net>

I really don't like watching MS marketing/tech videos - they always seem so
cheesy to me. But I slogged through this one and it seemed impressive.

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Monday, June 24, 2013 1:18 PM
To: dba-ot at databaseadvisors.com; DBA-Tech
Subject: [dba-Tech] MS Web apps real time coauthoring

I thought some of you would find this discussion worthy:
http://winsupersite.com/office-365/microsoft-previews-real-time-co-authoring
-office-web-apps


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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Tue Jun 25 06:42:44 2013
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2013 07:42:44 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Turnaround
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1iXKdcG8k-_hZ+tZEn+Om-fsrHYhomk2V=9+GrK2iYnzA@mail.gmail.com>

I have previously written about my dazed-and-confused state upon
confronting Windows 8. Well, I take it all back. I've been living in
Windows 8 for the past three days and now I love it. Mind you, it also
helps that I'm running it on one seriously bitchin' laptop (fancy chip, 8GB
RAM and a 1TB hard disk). The only thing it lacks is a touch-screen but I
can live with that.

I'm still installing various things. I'm running Oracle Virtual Box and
Mint 14 inside it. Man, with 8GB of RAM VirtualBox runs just fine.

Call me converted.

-- 
Arthur
Cell: 647.710.1314

Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
  -- Niels Bohr

From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Tue Jun 25 06:48:31 2013
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2013 07:48:31 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Turnaround
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1iXKdcG8k-_hZ+tZEn+Om-fsrHYhomk2V=9+GrK2iYnzA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1iXKdcG8k-_hZ+tZEn+Om-fsrHYhomk2V=9+GrK2iYnzA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1iZoRxTC4x641V_nAVSXCZVO8Uqyz1oyGOECO1Frf5eXA@mail.gmail.com>

I have previously written about my dazed-and-confused state upon
confronting Windows 8. Well, I take it all back. I've been living in
Windows 8 for the past three days and now I love it. Mind you, it also
helps that I'm running it on one seriously bitchin' laptop (fancy chip, 8GB
RAM and a 1TB hard disk). The only thing it lacks is a touch-screen but I
can live with that.

I'm still installing various things. I'm running Oracle Virtual Box and
Mint 14 inside it. Man, with 8GB of RAM VirtualBox runs just fine.

Call me converted.

-- 
Arthur
Cell: 647.710.1314

Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
  -- Niels Bohr

From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Tue Jun 25 07:19:17 2013
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2013 16:19:17 +0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?Turnaround?=
Message-ID: <1372162757.830866289@m.mail.ru>

Welcome back! :)
--
Tuesday, June 25, 2013 7:42 AM -04:00 from Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com>:
> I have previously written about my dazed-and-confused state upon
> confronting Windows 8. Well, I take it all back. I've been living in
> Windows 8 for the past three days and now I love it. Mind you, it also
> helps that I'm running it on one seriously bitchin' laptop (fancy chip, 8GB
> RAM and a 1TB hard disk). The only thing it lacks is a touch-screen but I
> can live with that.
> 
> I'm still installing various things. I'm running Oracle Virtual Box and
> Mint 14 inside it. Man, with 8GB of RAM VirtualBox runs just fine.
> 
> Call me converted.
> 
> -- 
> Arthur
> Cell: 647.710.1314
> 
> Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
> -- Niels Bohr
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Jun 25 11:08:44 2013
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2013 18:08:44 +0200
Subject: [dba-Tech] Turnaround
Message-ID: <076f01ce71be$446c8290$cd4587b0$@cactus.dk>

Hi Arthur

Beware. Soon, when you meet an XP, you'll feel like visiting a historical
museum, not to mention how sick you will feel should you meet a Mac desktop
sucking windows in a most ugly fashion.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Arthur Fuller
Sendt: 25. juni 2013 13:43
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Emne: [dba-Tech] Turnaround

I have previously written about my dazed-and-confused state upon confronting
Windows 8. Well, I take it all back. I've been living in Windows 8 for the
past three days and now I love it. Mind you, it also helps that I'm running
it on one seriously bitchin' laptop (fancy chip, 8GB RAM and a 1TB hard
disk). The only thing it lacks is a touch-screen but I can live with that.

I'm still installing various things. I'm running Oracle Virtual Box and Mint
14 inside it. Man, with 8GB of RAM VirtualBox runs just fine.

Call me converted.

--
Arthur
Cell: 647.710.1314

Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
  -- Niels Bohr 



From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Jun 25 14:05:39 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2013 12:05:39 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] MS Web apps real time coauthoring
In-Reply-To: <00fb01ce7107$1bfb0af0$53f120d0$@winhaven.net>
References: <00fb01ce7107$1bfb0af0$53f120d0$@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <7B01CF7B0ABD49D6BDDF54B0893B7DF9@server2003>

That capability has been around for a while, in various other applications
but I am glad to see that there is now a real emphasis within Microsoft's
document authorization.

I wonder if that extends to Excel and Access and will the capabilities be
extended to their Visual Studio products...through the cloud.

Jim 

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[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John R Bartow
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2013 11:18 AM
To: dba-ot at databaseadvisors.com; DBA-Tech
Subject: [dba-Tech] MS Web apps real time coauthoring

I thought some of you would find this discussion worthy:
http://winsupersite.com/office-365/microsoft-previews-real-time-co-authoring
-office-web-apps


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From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Jun 25 14:11:27 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2013 12:11:27 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Turnaround
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1iZoRxTC4x641V_nAVSXCZVO8Uqyz1oyGOECO1Frf5eXA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1iXKdcG8k-_hZ+tZEn+Om-fsrHYhomk2V=9+GrK2iYnzA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAEPJO1iZoRxTC4x641V_nAVSXCZVO8Uqyz1oyGOECO1Frf5eXA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B94FE74ADF954006A34BC79B642C3369@server2003>

The pragmatic approach is always best. 

If it works, don't knock it. The one fact in computing that has and will
always be true, is that there is no substitute for horse-power.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2013 4:49 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] Turnaround

I have previously written about my dazed-and-confused state upon
confronting Windows 8. Well, I take it all back. I've been living in
Windows 8 for the past three days and now I love it. Mind you, it also
helps that I'm running it on one seriously bitchin' laptop (fancy chip, 8GB
RAM and a 1TB hard disk). The only thing it lacks is a touch-screen but I
can live with that.

I'm still installing various things. I'm running Oracle Virtual Box and
Mint 14 inside it. Man, with 8GB of RAM VirtualBox runs just fine.

Call me converted.

-- 
Arthur
Cell: 647.710.1314

Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
  -- Niels Bohr
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From jbartow at winhaven.net  Tue Jun 25 14:49:57 2013
From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow)
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2013 14:49:57 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] MS Web apps real time coauthoring
In-Reply-To: <7B01CF7B0ABD49D6BDDF54B0893B7DF9@server2003>
References: <00fb01ce7107$1bfb0af0$53f120d0$@winhaven.net>
	<7B01CF7B0ABD49D6BDDF54B0893B7DF9@server2003>
Message-ID: <02c501ce71dd$2c99ef80$85cdce80$@winhaven.net>

You apparently weren't as patient as I was (surprising) as they discussed
Excel. I think some of this goes well beyond what I've seen in  other apps.
Nary a word uttered about Access though.

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2013 2:06 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] MS Web apps real time coauthoring

That capability has been around for a while, in various other applications
but I am glad to see that there is now a real emphasis within Microsoft's
document authorization.

I wonder if that extends to Excel and Access and will the capabilities be
extended to their Visual Studio products...through the cloud.

Jim 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John R Bartow
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2013 11:18 AM
To: dba-ot at databaseadvisors.com; DBA-Tech
Subject: [dba-Tech] MS Web apps real time coauthoring

I thought some of you would find this discussion worthy:
http://winsupersite.com/office-365/microsoft-previews-real-time-co-authoring
-office-web-apps


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From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Jun 25 16:36:27 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2013 14:36:27 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] MS Web apps real time coauthoring
In-Reply-To: <02c501ce71dd$2c99ef80$85cdce80$@winhaven.net>
References: <00fb01ce7107$1bfb0af0$53f120d0$@winhaven.net><7B01CF7B0ABD49D6BDDF54B0893B7DF9@server2003>
	<02c501ce71dd$2c99ef80$85cdce80$@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <AA2837A81B8C4C4B875467D800B4777B@server2003>

Well for one Google docs comes to mind but I have also posted links to other
open source products but the name(s) are not easily remembered. Here is a
link to a simple HTML5 multi-user drawing webpage application:

http://www.unionplatform.com/?page_id=2762

With the use of a very simple web page design, a text interface can be
created that will allow many users the ability to be able to change a text
windows content, simultaneously so the basic technology is hardly ground
breaking.

All that is needed is a webserver in the middle. The link above uses a
OrbiterMicro library that makes it iPhone or Smartphone capable, though that
is just an embellishment and a Cloud based server called the Union server
but anyone with any webserver, on their network, can create such a website
...even using such standards as IIS, Apache or Nginx.
  
That said, I am sure Microsoft has created a much more sophisticated web
environment with fancy fonts, high-lighted colour to signify external
contributions and added extensive formatting capabilities. 

Jim  

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John R Bartow
Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2013 12:50 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] MS Web apps real time coauthoring

You apparently weren't as patient as I was (surprising) as they discussed
Excel. I think some of this goes well beyond what I've seen in  other apps.
Nary a word uttered about Access though.


From jbartow at winhaven.net  Tue Jun 25 18:20:32 2013
From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow)
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2013 18:20:32 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] MS Web apps real time coauthoring
In-Reply-To: <AA2837A81B8C4C4B875467D800B4777B@server2003>
References: <00fb01ce7107$1bfb0af0$53f120d0$@winhaven.net><7B01CF7B0ABD49D6BDDF54B0893B7DF9@server2003>	<02c501ce71dd$2c99ef80$85cdce80$@winhaven.net>
	<AA2837A81B8C4C4B875467D800B4777B@server2003>
Message-ID: <02fc01ce71fa$975ab530$c6101f90$@winhaven.net>

Yes, it goes far beyond basic. I think that's why they produced the video.

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2013 4:36 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] MS Web apps real time coauthoring

Well for one Google docs comes to mind but I have also posted links to other
open source products but the name(s) are not easily remembered. Here is a
link to a simple HTML5 multi-user drawing webpage application:

http://www.unionplatform.com/?page_id=2762

With the use of a very simple web page design, a text interface can be
created that will allow many users the ability to be able to change a text
windows content, simultaneously so the basic technology is hardly ground
breaking.

All that is needed is a webserver in the middle. The link above uses a
OrbiterMicro library that makes it iPhone or Smartphone capable, though that
is just an embellishment and a Cloud based server called the Union server
but anyone with any webserver, on their network, can create such a website
...even using such standards as IIS, Apache or Nginx.
  
That said, I am sure Microsoft has created a much more sophisticated web
environment with fancy fonts, high-lighted colour to signify external
contributions and added extensive formatting capabilities. 

Jim  

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John R Bartow
Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2013 12:50 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] MS Web apps real time coauthoring

You apparently weren't as patient as I was (surprising) as they discussed
Excel. I think some of this goes well beyond what I've seen in  other apps.
Nary a word uttered about Access though.

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Jun 25 20:32:34 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2013 18:32:34 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Goodbye Google RSS reader and hello ALO RSS reader
In-Reply-To: <35959F4BFC814BA8924D7317E58B4209@server2003>
References: <CAEPJO1jdB6nrbcs76Nq2rZamCucu5MbaCn0aUeTv1M65ijG33Q@mail.gmail.com><E1B2A4A630E3431FAB118C0D2C6ADBEF@server2003><F551E08567B641A9A034AFFD90B627F1@server2003><9CF3262DAC954995A1E0D12864179FF7@server2003><D849069F6A5A43D9A9C6685E0EE73947@server2003><A13126A9D2FA4EA38C30886C5B863051@server2003>
	<35959F4BFC814BA8924D7317E58B4209@server2003>
Message-ID: <FE0448B5DB0544A7973EE7C85C5048E9@server2003>

As of next week the Google RSS reader will be gone but along with other
options comes a new one from AOL. 

It appears to be hardly a complete replacemnet but it may be what is needed,
in the interm:

http://www.tuaw.com/2013/06/24/aol-launches-reader-for-rss/

...or as mentioned in the same article, it will supplement the RSS reader
Feedly; http://cloud.feedly.com/#welcome

...And Digg Reader; http://digg.com/reader is just about ready.

...and there are a number of other readers (unfortunately many are OS
dependant); 
http://lifehacker.com/google-reader-is-shutting-down-here-are-the-best-alter
-5990456

Jim   


From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Wed Jun 26 01:39:10 2013
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2013 07:39:10 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] MS Web apps real time coauthoring
In-Reply-To: <AA2837A81B8C4C4B875467D800B4777B@server2003>
References: <00fb01ce7107$1bfb0af0$53f120d0$@winhaven.net>
	<7B01CF7B0ABD49D6BDDF54B0893B7DF9@server2003>
	<02c501ce71dd$2c99ef80$85cdce80$@winhaven.net>
	<AA2837A81B8C4C4B875467D800B4777B@server2003>
Message-ID: <649037F4-1A20-494F-9C13-8181798141B7@qub.ac.uk>

I just use the standard package used by millions. It's called Microsoft word and office web apps. End user has nothing to do but use it.

Martin

Sent from my iPad

On 25 Jun 2013, at 22:38, "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> Well for one Google docs comes to mind but I have also posted links to other
> open source products but the name(s) are not easily remembered. Here is a
> link to a simple HTML5 multi-user drawing webpage application:
> 
> http://www.unionplatform.com/?page_id=2762
> 
> With the use of a very simple web page design, a text interface can be
> created that will allow many users the ability to be able to change a text
> windows content, simultaneously so the basic technology is hardly ground
> breaking.
> 
> All that is needed is a webserver in the middle. The link above uses a
> OrbiterMicro library that makes it iPhone or Smartphone capable, though that
> is just an embellishment and a Cloud based server called the Union server
> but anyone with any webserver, on their network, can create such a website
> ...even using such standards as IIS, Apache or Nginx.
> 
> That said, I am sure Microsoft has created a much more sophisticated web
> environment with fancy fonts, high-lighted colour to signify external
> contributions and added extensive formatting capabilities. 
> 
> Jim  
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John R Bartow
> Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2013 12:50 PM
> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] MS Web apps real time coauthoring
> 
> You apparently weren't as patient as I was (surprising) as they discussed
> Excel. I think some of this goes well beyond what I've seen in  other apps.
> Nary a word uttered about Access though.
> 
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Jun 26 11:59:20 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2013 09:59:20 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Everyone needs one or two
In-Reply-To: <FE0448B5DB0544A7973EE7C85C5048E9@server2003>
References: <CAEPJO1jdB6nrbcs76Nq2rZamCucu5MbaCn0aUeTv1M65ijG33Q@mail.gmail.com><E1B2A4A630E3431FAB118C0D2C6ADBEF@server2003><F551E08567B641A9A034AFFD90B627F1@server2003><9CF3262DAC954995A1E0D12864179FF7@server2003><D849069F6A5A43D9A9C6685E0EE73947@server2003><A13126A9D2FA4EA38C30886C5B863051@server2003><35959F4BFC814BA8924D7317E58B4209@server2003>
	<FE0448B5DB0544A7973EE7C85C5048E9@server2003>
Message-ID: <3185B92631DD40D090E3FF61BB987AFC@server2003>

SSD drives are growing larger as well as cheaper. 

Will the new SSD drives eventually spell the end to traditional hard drives?
My thoughts are that they probably will, at least as the master drives; all
the price decimal point has to do is move one position to the left.

http://semiaccurate.com/2013/06/23/lsi-puts-out-a-4tb-pcie3-ssd/

Jim 


From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Jun 26 12:15:33 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2013 10:15:33 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] New Windows 8
In-Reply-To: <FE0448B5DB0544A7973EE7C85C5048E9@server2003>
References: <CAEPJO1jdB6nrbcs76Nq2rZamCucu5MbaCn0aUeTv1M65ijG33Q@mail.gmail.com><E1B2A4A630E3431FAB118C0D2C6ADBEF@server2003><F551E08567B641A9A034AFFD90B627F1@server2003><9CF3262DAC954995A1E0D12864179FF7@server2003><D849069F6A5A43D9A9C6685E0EE73947@server2003><A13126A9D2FA4EA38C30886C5B863051@server2003><35959F4BFC814BA8924D7317E58B4209@server2003>
	<FE0448B5DB0544A7973EE7C85C5048E9@server2003>
Message-ID: <F2A1BC57EB0846CBA688CA0B4FCB3445@server2003>

Yesterday, I was in the shop of a friend and had just walked past a new PC
running Windows 7.

At least that is what I thought it was. It turned out to be the new Windows
8.1 and except for some slight changes to screen images and background you
would not be able to tell the difference. Even when this version of Windows
boots it goes straight to the Win7/8 opening page. 

The only sure change is the "start" button icon at the lower left of the
screen...the little white new windows trapezoid. When wandering around the
various sections much of the layout is pretty standard stuff except for the
use of the new san serif font everywhere.

I for one salute the move. If my quick cursory observation is the new
standard I would think Microsoft has decided to get back in the game and
make a fight of it rather than be replaced by Android/Linux.

Jim


From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Jun 26 12:42:41 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2013 10:42:41 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] MS Web apps real time coauthoring
In-Reply-To: <649037F4-1A20-494F-9C13-8181798141B7@qub.ac.uk>
References: <00fb01ce7107$1bfb0af0$53f120d0$@winhaven.net><7B01CF7B0ABD49D6BDDF54B0893B7DF9@server2003><02c501ce71dd$2c99ef80$85cdce80$@winhaven.net><AA2837A81B8C4C4B875467D800B4777B@server2003>
	<649037F4-1A20-494F-9C13-8181798141B7@qub.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <76F762DB39CB43ECA183DEB1CCC0345E@server2003>

Hi Martin:

I was not comparing Office 365 to Google Docs, I was just discussing the
novelty of these multi-user packages. After watching a posted Microsoft
video claiming the creation of the new industry wide multi-users
capabilities, as a web developer, I know this to be not true. They may have
enhanced that technology but they were hardly the creator of it...I just
wanted to set the record straight.

As for who is using this capability, I care little. I am sure both MS and
Google have fine packages. For me I use either MS word or Libra Writer or a
cloud package, what ever is handy as they all work very well. 

Right now Microsoft's and Google's office package each holds approximately
fifty percent of their Cloud market. 

For me, personally, I still prefer the desktop purchase model as opposed to
the Cloud subscription model...but that may change.

Jim

PS Sent from your iPad and not your Surface tablet...traitor. ;-)   

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Martin Reid
Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2013 11:39 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Cc: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] MS Web apps real time coauthoring

I just use the standard package used by millions. It's called Microsoft word
and office web apps. End user has nothing to do but use it.

Martin

Sent from my iPad


From jon at tydda.plus.com  Wed Jun 26 14:12:58 2013
From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda)
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2013 20:12:58 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Everyone needs one or two
In-Reply-To: <3185B92631DD40D090E3FF61BB987AFC@server2003>
References: <CAEPJO1jdB6nrbcs76Nq2rZamCucu5MbaCn0aUeTv1M65ijG33Q@mail.gmail.com><E1B2A4A630E3431FAB118C0D2C6ADBEF@server2003><F551E08567B641A9A034AFFD90B627F1@server2003><9CF3262DAC954995A1E0D12864179FF7@server2003><D849069F6A5A43D9A9C6685E0EE73947@server2003><A13126A9D2FA4EA38C30886C5B863051@server2003><35959F4BFC814BA8924D7317E58B4209@server2003>	<FE0448B5DB0544A7973EE7C85C5048E9@server2003>
	<3185B92631DD40D090E3FF61BB987AFC@server2003>
Message-ID: <001001ce72a1$2c559370$8500ba50$@tydda.plus.com>

Reliability has to vastly improve first. We bought 250 laptops with SSDs
three years ago at work, and we've replaced nearly 50 of the drives under
warranty.

It could be that they don't like having Bitlocker encryption on them, but I
wouldn't buy one for my data drive just yet.


Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: 26 June 2013 17:59
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: [dba-Tech] Everyone needs one or two

SSD drives are growing larger as well as cheaper. 

Will the new SSD drives eventually spell the end to traditional hard drives?
My thoughts are that they probably will, at least as the master drives; all
the price decimal point has to do is move one position to the left.

http://semiaccurate.com/2013/06/23/lsi-puts-out-a-4tb-pcie3-ssd/

Jim 

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From peter.brawley at earthlink.net  Wed Jun 26 14:33:16 2013
From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley)
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2013 14:33:16 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Everyone needs one or two
In-Reply-To: <001001ce72a1$2c559370$8500ba50$@tydda.plus.com>
References: <CAEPJO1jdB6nrbcs76Nq2rZamCucu5MbaCn0aUeTv1M65ijG33Q@mail.gmail.com><E1B2A4A630E3431FAB118C0D2C6ADBEF@server2003><F551E08567B641A9A034AFFD90B627F1@server2003><9CF3262DAC954995A1E0D12864179FF7@server2003><D849069F6A5A43D9A9C6685E0EE73947@server2003><A13126A9D2FA4EA38C30886C5B863051@server2003><35959F4BFC814BA8924D7317E58B4209@server2003>	<FE0448B5DB0544A7973EE7C85C5048E9@server2003>
	<3185B92631DD40D090E3FF61BB987AFC@server2003>
	<001001ce72a1$2c559370$8500ba50$@tydda.plus.com>
Message-ID: <51CB41FC.3010803@earthlink.net>

On 2013-06-26 2:12 PM, Jon Tydda wrote:
> Reliability has to vastly improve first. We bought 250 laptops with SSDs
> three years ago at work, and we've replaced nearly 50 of the drives under
> warranty.
>
> It could be that they don't like having Bitlocker encryption on them, but I
> wouldn't buy one for my data drive just yet.

Wow, 20% failure rate over 3 years ain't a good storage option!

PB

-----

>
>
> Jon
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
> Sent: 26 June 2013 17:59
> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
> Subject: [dba-Tech] Everyone needs one or two
>
> SSD drives are growing larger as well as cheaper.
>
> Will the new SSD drives eventually spell the end to traditional hard drives?
> My thoughts are that they probably will, at least as the master drives; all
> the price decimal point has to do is move one position to the left.
>
> http://semiaccurate.com/2013/06/23/lsi-puts-out-a-4tb-pcie3-ssd/
>
> Jim
>
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From jon at tydda.plus.com  Wed Jun 26 15:51:03 2013
From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda)
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2013 21:51:03 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Everyone needs one or two
In-Reply-To: <51CB41FC.3010803@earthlink.net>
References: <CAEPJO1jdB6nrbcs76Nq2rZamCucu5MbaCn0aUeTv1M65ijG33Q@mail.gmail.com><E1B2A4A630E3431FAB118C0D2C6ADBEF@server2003><F551E08567B641A9A034AFFD90B627F1@server2003><9CF3262DAC954995A1E0D12864179FF7@server2003><D849069F6A5A43D9A9C6685E0EE73947@server2003><A13126A9D2FA4EA38C30886C5B863051@server2003><35959F4BFC814BA8924D7317E58B4209@server2003>	<FE0448B5DB0544A7973EE7C85C5048E9@server2003>	<3185B92631DD40D090E3FF61BB987AFC@server2003>	<001001ce72a1$2c559370$8500ba50$@tydda.plus.com>
	<51CB41FC.3010803@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <000401ce72ae$dfd00130$9f700390$@tydda.plus.com>

I don't want to bias anyone against the manufacturer, but their name sounds
like Renovo... :-)


Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Peter Brawley
Sent: 26 June 2013 20:33
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Everyone needs one or two

On 2013-06-26 2:12 PM, Jon Tydda wrote:
> Reliability has to vastly improve first. We bought 250 laptops with 
> SSDs three years ago at work, and we've replaced nearly 50 of the 
> drives under warranty.
>
> It could be that they don't like having Bitlocker encryption on them, 
> but I wouldn't buy one for my data drive just yet.

Wow, 20% failure rate over 3 years ain't a good storage option!

PB

-----

>
>
> Jon
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim 
> Lawrence
> Sent: 26 June 2013 17:59
> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
> Subject: [dba-Tech] Everyone needs one or two
>
> SSD drives are growing larger as well as cheaper.
>
> Will the new SSD drives eventually spell the end to traditional hard
drives?
> My thoughts are that they probably will, at least as the master 
> drives; all the price decimal point has to do is move one position to the
left.
>
> http://semiaccurate.com/2013/06/23/lsi-puts-out-a-4tb-pcie3-ssd/
>
> Jim
>
> _______________________________________________
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>
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From jbartow at winhaven.net  Wed Jun 26 17:51:06 2013
From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow)
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2013 17:51:06 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Everyone needs one or two
In-Reply-To: <000401ce72ae$dfd00130$9f700390$@tydda.plus.com>
References: <CAEPJO1jdB6nrbcs76Nq2rZamCucu5MbaCn0aUeTv1M65ijG33Q@mail.gmail.com><E1B2A4A630E3431FAB118C0D2C6ADBEF@server2003><F551E08567B641A9A034AFFD90B627F1@server2003><9CF3262DAC954995A1E0D12864179FF7@server2003><D849069F6A5A43D9A9C6685E0EE73947@server2003><A13126A9D2FA4EA38C30886C5B863051@server2003><35959F4BFC814BA8924D7317E58B4209@server2003>	<FE0448B5DB0544A7973EE7C85C5048E9@server2003>	<3185B92631DD40D090E3FF61BB987AFC@server2003>	<001001ce72a1$2c559370$8500ba50$@tydda.plus.com>	<51CB41FC.3010803@earthlink.net>
	<000401ce72ae$dfd00130$9f700390$@tydda.plus.com>
Message-ID: <005b01ce72bf$a5b69750$f123c5f0$@winhaven.net>

What brand was the SSDs that were failing?

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda
Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2013 3:51 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Everyone needs one or two

I don't want to bias anyone against the manufacturer, but their name sounds
like Renovo... :-)


Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Peter Brawley
Sent: 26 June 2013 20:33
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Everyone needs one or two

On 2013-06-26 2:12 PM, Jon Tydda wrote:
> Reliability has to vastly improve first. We bought 250 laptops with 
> SSDs three years ago at work, and we've replaced nearly 50 of the 
> drives under warranty.
>
> It could be that they don't like having Bitlocker encryption on them, 
> but I wouldn't buy one for my data drive just yet.

Wow, 20% failure rate over 3 years ain't a good storage option!

PB

-----

>
>
> Jon
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim 
> Lawrence
> Sent: 26 June 2013 17:59
> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
> Subject: [dba-Tech] Everyone needs one or two
>
> SSD drives are growing larger as well as cheaper.
>
> Will the new SSD drives eventually spell the end to traditional hard
drives?
> My thoughts are that they probably will, at least as the master 
> drives; all the price decimal point has to do is move one position to 
> the
left.
>
> http://semiaccurate.com/2013/06/23/lsi-puts-out-a-4tb-pcie3-ssd/
>
> Jim
>
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Jun 27 02:07:48 2013
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2013 09:07:48 +0200
Subject: [dba-Tech] New Windows 8
Message-ID: <002c01ce7305$08bae5a0$1a30b0e0$@cactus.dk>

Hi Jim

You can't be serious. 
I still don't get why grown up people can turn into a major issue that you
with Win8.0 have to push one button or click once to get to the desktop.

By the way, the Windows 8.1 Preview it for download here:

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-8/preview

/gustav


-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Jim Lawrence
Sendt: 26. juni 2013 19:16
Til: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Emne: [dba-Tech] New Windows 8

Yesterday, I was in the shop of a friend and had just walked past a new PC
running Windows 7.

At least that is what I thought it was. It turned out to be the new Windows
8.1 and except for some slight changes to screen images and background you
would not be able to tell the difference. Even when this version of Windows
boots it goes straight to the Win7/8 opening page. 

The only sure change is the "start" button icon at the lower left of the
screen...the little white new windows trapezoid. When wandering around the
various sections much of the layout is pretty standard stuff except for the
use of the new san serif font everywhere.

I for one salute the move. If my quick cursory observation is the new
standard I would think Microsoft has decided to get back in the game and
make a fight of it rather than be replaced by Android/Linux.

Jim 



From gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Jun 27 02:20:30 2013
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2013 09:20:30 +0200
Subject: [dba-Tech] Everyone needs one or two
Message-ID: <002e01ce7306$cdf1ffb0$69d5ff10$@cactus.dk>

Hi Jon

They are most likely as unhappy with the situation as you are, and they
don't manufacture the drives but buy them. So the interesting info would be:
What drives?

We have been running SSDs from both IBM, Kingston, and Intel without a
single failure, half in servers, half in desktops. Lately we have settled
with the Intel 520 series which are very fast and not that expensive.

If you wish users clapping their hands, you have three options: Intel i5 or
faster CPU, a fast SSD, and a screen of 24" or larger with 1920 x 1200 (not
1080) resolution or larger.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Jon Tydda
Sendt: 26. juni 2013 22:51
Til: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Everyone needs one or two

I don't want to bias anyone against the manufacturer, but their name sounds
like Renovo... :-)


Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Peter Brawley
Sent: 26 June 2013 20:33
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Everyone needs one or two

On 2013-06-26 2:12 PM, Jon Tydda wrote:
> Reliability has to vastly improve first. We bought 250 laptops with 
> SSDs three years ago at work, and we've replaced nearly 50 of the 
> drives under warranty.
>
> It could be that they don't like having Bitlocker encryption on them, 
> but I wouldn't buy one for my data drive just yet.

Wow, 20% failure rate over 3 years ain't a good storage option!

PB 



From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Thu Jun 27 03:02:08 2013
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2013 01:02:08 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] New Windows 8
In-Reply-To: <002c01ce7305$08bae5a0$1a30b0e0$@cactus.dk>
References: <002c01ce7305$08bae5a0$1a30b0e0$@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <E9AEC2C0-2DD6-4AFB-B511-9952DD8C508D@phulse.com>


Don't you think that perhaps you don't get it because you are not the average consumer?

- Hans


On 2013-06-27, at 12:07 AM, "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Hi Jim
> 
> You can't be serious. 
> I still don't get why grown up people can turn into a major issue that you
> with Win8.0 have to push one button or click once to get to the desktop.
> 
> By the way, the Windows 8.1 Preview it for download here:
> 
> http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-8/preview
> 
> /gustav
> 
> 
> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Jim Lawrence
> Sendt: 26. juni 2013 19:16
> Til: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
> Emne: [dba-Tech] New Windows 8
> 
> Yesterday, I was in the shop of a friend and had just walked past a new PC
> running Windows 7.
> 
> At least that is what I thought it was. It turned out to be the new Windows
> 8.1 and except for some slight changes to screen images and background you
> would not be able to tell the difference. Even when this version of Windows
> boots it goes straight to the Win7/8 opening page. 
> 
> The only sure change is the "start" button icon at the lower left of the
> screen...the little white new windows trapezoid. When wandering around the
> various sections much of the layout is pretty standard stuff except for the
> use of the new san serif font everywhere.
> 
> I for one salute the move. If my quick cursory observation is the new
> standard I would think Microsoft has decided to get back in the game and
> make a fight of it rather than be replaced by Android/Linux.
> 
> Jim 
> 
> 
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Jun 27 03:52:10 2013
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2013 10:52:10 +0200
Subject: [dba-Tech] New Windows 8
Message-ID: <009201ce7313$9c977eb0$d5c67c10$@cactus.dk>

Hi Hans

No. And I truly mean, that if this tiny gesture represents a problem to the
user, he/she will be facing real trouble operating the pc.

But what I meant to tell is, that it surprises me that Jim (with a lifetime
of computer experience) and many other quite computer-capable people can get
so excited about a "reborn" pseudo start button. OK, I know you can also
"boot into the desktop" but, hey, I've could that since the first preview of
Windows 8 as I don't turn off the machine but send it to sleep. Windows 8 is
extremely fast to wake up - even with an old-fashioned HDD it is ready in a
second or two.

/gustav
 

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Hans-Christian
Andersen
Sendt: 27. juni 2013 10:02
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] New Windows 8


Don't you think that perhaps you don't get it because you are not the
average consumer?

- Hans


On 2013-06-27, at 12:07 AM, "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Hi Jim
> 
> You can't be serious. 
> I still don't get why grown up people can turn into a major issue that 
> you with Win8.0 have to push one button or click once to get to the
desktop.
> 
> By the way, the Windows 8.1 Preview it for download here:
> 
> http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-8/preview
> 
> /gustav
> 
> 
> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Jim 
> Lawrence
> Sendt: 26. juni 2013 19:16
> Til: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
> Emne: [dba-Tech] New Windows 8
> 
> Yesterday, I was in the shop of a friend and had just walked past a 
> new PC running Windows 7.
> 
> At least that is what I thought it was. It turned out to be the new 
> Windows
> 8.1 and except for some slight changes to screen images and background 
> you would not be able to tell the difference. Even when this version 
> of Windows boots it goes straight to the Win7/8 opening page.
> 
> The only sure change is the "start" button icon at the lower left of 
> the screen...the little white new windows trapezoid. When wandering 
> around the various sections much of the layout is pretty standard 
> stuff except for the use of the new san serif font everywhere.
> 
> I for one salute the move. If my quick cursory observation is the new 
> standard I would think Microsoft has decided to get back in the game 
> and make a fight of it rather than be replaced by Android/Linux.
> 
> Jim 



From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Jun 27 15:39:16 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2013 13:39:16 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Everyone needs one or two
In-Reply-To: <001001ce72a1$2c559370$8500ba50$@tydda.plus.com>
References: <CAEPJO1jdB6nrbcs76Nq2rZamCucu5MbaCn0aUeTv1M65ijG33Q@mail.gmail.com><E1B2A4A630E3431FAB118C0D2C6ADBEF@server2003><F551E08567B641A9A034AFFD90B627F1@server2003><9CF3262DAC954995A1E0D12864179FF7@server2003><D849069F6A5A43D9A9C6685E0EE73947@server2003><A13126A9D2FA4EA38C30886C5B863051@server2003><35959F4BFC814BA8924D7317E58B4209@server2003>	<FE0448B5DB0544A7973EE7C85C5048E9@server2003><3185B92631DD40D090E3FF61BB987AFC@server2003>
	<001001ce72a1$2c559370$8500ba50$@tydda.plus.com>
Message-ID: <B56BF4528538463BB826A61D58F78C59@server2003>

Hi Jon:

That is good to know. Recently there was a friend trying to sell me on going
that route for my laptop. He felt because the new drives had no working
parts, were super fast, relatively cheap (getting cheaper every day) and
potentially more reliable, that would be the way to go.

But from your working day experience this is not the truth.

Thanks for the heads up.

Jim 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda
Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2013 12:13 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Everyone needs one or two

Reliability has to vastly improve first. We bought 250 laptops with SSDs
three years ago at work, and we've replaced nearly 50 of the drives under
warranty.

It could be that they don't like having Bitlocker encryption on them, but I
wouldn't buy one for my data drive just yet.


Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: 26 June 2013 17:59
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: [dba-Tech] Everyone needs one or two

SSD drives are growing larger as well as cheaper. 

Will the new SSD drives eventually spell the end to traditional hard drives?
My thoughts are that they probably will, at least as the master drives; all
the price decimal point has to do is move one position to the left.

http://semiaccurate.com/2013/06/23/lsi-puts-out-a-4tb-pcie3-ssd/

Jim 

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Jun 27 16:26:18 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2013 14:26:18 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] New Windows 8
In-Reply-To: <002c01ce7305$08bae5a0$1a30b0e0$@cactus.dk>
References: <002c01ce7305$08bae5a0$1a30b0e0$@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <7730F5D9424942BC84D0F72AA4FD42DB@server2003>

Hi Gustav:

Serious as a heart-attack. 

For those of us who remember the "ME" OS and those recently who were knocked
off stride when Vista hit the shelves and that OS was pre-loaded on
virtually every new computer.

Clients are very gun-shy of Win8... If Microsoft adds too little or goes too
far, with an upgrade, they pay. Most users do not want to even think when
running an OS; hence the explosion of tablets and Smartphones. 

Why do you think that an OS like Linux is not the main desktop OS?
Considering that it is faster, more secure, more reliable etc etc. It is all
about perception and perception is reality. Microsoft, has made the selling
of Win8, the largest and most expensive sales campaign in their history.
...Maybe it is the largest of such sales campaigns ever? I believe this was
all done to save an OS and a company.

I do not sell one OS over another to most who asks, especially if the
individuals are not developers or system support people. Over the years I
learned that anything that I sell I have to own and subsequently
support...regardless of any potential profit.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2013 12:08 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] New Windows 8

Hi Jim

You can't be serious. 
I still don't get why grown up people can turn into a major issue that you
with Win8.0 have to push one button or click once to get to the desktop.

By the way, the Windows 8.1 Preview it for download here:

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-8/preview

/gustav


-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Jim Lawrence
Sendt: 26. juni 2013 19:16
Til: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Emne: [dba-Tech] New Windows 8

Yesterday, I was in the shop of a friend and had just walked past a new PC
running Windows 7.

At least that is what I thought it was. It turned out to be the new Windows
8.1 and except for some slight changes to screen images and background you
would not be able to tell the difference. Even when this version of Windows
boots it goes straight to the Win7/8 opening page. 

The only sure change is the "start" button icon at the lower left of the
screen...the little white new windows trapezoid. When wandering around the
various sections much of the layout is pretty standard stuff except for the
use of the new san serif font everywhere.

I for one salute the move. If my quick cursory observation is the new
standard I would think Microsoft has decided to get back in the game and
make a fight of it rather than be replaced by Android/Linux.

Jim 


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From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Jun 27 17:16:05 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2013 15:16:05 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] New Windows 8
In-Reply-To: <009201ce7313$9c977eb0$d5c67c10$@cactus.dk>
References: <009201ce7313$9c977eb0$d5c67c10$@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <176D06E5438046EB9709BEB357329F0A@server2003>

Hi Gustav:

You are talking like a programmer and not like a user. Think super simple,
as any impediment, no matter how small and a user is not buying.

This is like any web site. The rule is five seconds or gone. The theory
behind the rule, is if a surfer does not make sense of a site in five
seconds they move on. Ten years ago when I was taking a E-Commerce course,
and Amazon was held up as a sample of how to build a site. 

Everything was perfectly laid out so the eye followed easily from one
operation to another. Ever wonder why the search bar is nearly always on top
right? Then take the Apple computer. It is more expensive, no more reliable
and in reality no better than a similarly priced product.

Then you have to ask yourself, why do they sell? The answer is simple; their
layout is nearly perfect. Just being pretty doesn't sell. It is all to do
with proportions, style, understandability... No pure computer geek could
have ever designed the Apple interface; it took a real artist. The fact is
that Steve Jobs was not a programmer but he was a true artist. Style always
wins over substance. Think actors...they are just good looking, stylist
promoters and salesmen and they make fortunes just looking good.   

Win8, might have great features and a strikingly new interface but it failed
on looking good and being easy (obvious) to use. What Microsoft needed was a
real artist, like Steve Jobs (not that I am promotion Apple but I can not
but admire the artist.)

There are millions of Artists, many are very good artists, in the world but
only a small few really great artists. These masters hang in our galleries
and are admired by all. What makes these artists renderings so admired? Near
perfect balance of colour, texture, composition, shadow and light, of
execution and whether a person conscientiously realizes it, they are drawn
towards the works of these masters.

Microsoft has the money and the will to succeed but they just do not
understand how important the simplicity, the design and the composition of a
product is. Win8.1 is just the admission that it is back to the drawing
board and the need for a tactical retreat for Steven Ballmer's Microsoft. 

Maybe, Win9 will be the new turn point and MS will then have a GUI built by
a master artist. 

Jim        

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2013 1:52 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] New Windows 8

Hi Hans

No. And I truly mean, that if this tiny gesture represents a problem to the
user, he/she will be facing real trouble operating the pc.

But what I meant to tell is, that it surprises me that Jim (with a lifetime
of computer experience) and many other quite computer-capable people can get
so excited about a "reborn" pseudo start button. OK, I know you can also
"boot into the desktop" but, hey, I've could that since the first preview of
Windows 8 as I don't turn off the machine but send it to sleep. Windows 8 is
extremely fast to wake up - even with an old-fashioned HDD it is ready in a
second or two.

/gustav
 

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Hans-Christian
Andersen
Sendt: 27. juni 2013 10:02
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] New Windows 8


Don't you think that perhaps you don't get it because you are not the
average consumer?

- Hans


On 2013-06-27, at 12:07 AM, "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Hi Jim
> 
> You can't be serious. 
> I still don't get why grown up people can turn into a major issue that 
> you with Win8.0 have to push one button or click once to get to the
desktop.
> 
> By the way, the Windows 8.1 Preview it for download here:
> 
> http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-8/preview
> 
> /gustav
> 
> 
> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Jim 
> Lawrence
> Sendt: 26. juni 2013 19:16
> Til: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
> Emne: [dba-Tech] New Windows 8
> 
> Yesterday, I was in the shop of a friend and had just walked past a 
> new PC running Windows 7.
> 
> At least that is what I thought it was. It turned out to be the new 
> Windows
> 8.1 and except for some slight changes to screen images and background 
> you would not be able to tell the difference. Even when this version 
> of Windows boots it goes straight to the Win7/8 opening page.
> 
> The only sure change is the "start" button icon at the lower left of 
> the screen...the little white new windows trapezoid. When wandering 
> around the various sections much of the layout is pretty standard 
> stuff except for the use of the new san serif font everywhere.
> 
> I for one salute the move. If my quick cursory observation is the new 
> standard I would think Microsoft has decided to get back in the game 
> and make a fight of it rather than be replaced by Android/Linux.
> 
> Jim 


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From jon at tydda.plus.com  Thu Jun 27 17:53:12 2013
From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda)
Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2013 23:53:12 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Everyone needs one or two
In-Reply-To: <005b01ce72bf$a5b69750$f123c5f0$@winhaven.net>
References: <CAEPJO1jdB6nrbcs76Nq2rZamCucu5MbaCn0aUeTv1M65ijG33Q@mail.gmail.com><E1B2A4A630E3431FAB118C0D2C6ADBEF@server2003><F551E08567B641A9A034AFFD90B627F1@server2003><9CF3262DAC954995A1E0D12864179FF7@server2003><D849069F6A5A43D9A9C6685E0EE73947@server2003><A13126A9D2FA4EA38C30886C5B863051@server2003><35959F4BFC814BA8924D7317E58B4209@server2003>	<FE0448B5DB0544A7973EE7C85C5048E9@server2003>	<3185B92631DD40D090E3FF61BB987AFC@server2003>	<001001ce72a1$2c559370$8500ba50$@tydda.plus.com>	<51CB41FC.3010803@earthlink.net>	<000401ce72ae$dfd00130$9f700390$@tydda.plus.com>
	<005b01ce72bf$a5b69750$f123c5f0$@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <003e01ce7389$1aa5cb70$4ff16250$@tydda.plus.com>

Good question. I'll have to check when I get back to work on Monday.


Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John R Bartow
Sent: 26 June 2013 23:51
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Everyone needs one or two

What brand was the SSDs that were failing?

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda
Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2013 3:51 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Everyone needs one or two

I don't want to bias anyone against the manufacturer, but their name sounds
like Renovo... :-)


Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Peter Brawley
Sent: 26 June 2013 20:33
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Everyone needs one or two

On 2013-06-26 2:12 PM, Jon Tydda wrote:
> Reliability has to vastly improve first. We bought 250 laptops with 
> SSDs three years ago at work, and we've replaced nearly 50 of the 
> drives under warranty.
>
> It could be that they don't like having Bitlocker encryption on them, 
> but I wouldn't buy one for my data drive just yet.

Wow, 20% failure rate over 3 years ain't a good storage option!

PB

-----

>
>
> Jon
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim 
> Lawrence
> Sent: 26 June 2013 17:59
> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
> Subject: [dba-Tech] Everyone needs one or two
>
> SSD drives are growing larger as well as cheaper.
>
> Will the new SSD drives eventually spell the end to traditional hard
drives?
> My thoughts are that they probably will, at least as the master 
> drives; all the price decimal point has to do is move one position to 
> the
left.
>
> http://semiaccurate.com/2013/06/23/lsi-puts-out-a-4tb-pcie3-ssd/
>
> Jim
>
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Jun 27 22:01:27 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2013 20:01:27 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Wow, someone actually knows how to hire the right people
In-Reply-To: <003e01ce7389$1aa5cb70$4ff16250$@tydda.plus.com>
References: <CAEPJO1jdB6nrbcs76Nq2rZamCucu5MbaCn0aUeTv1M65ijG33Q@mail.gmail.com><E1B2A4A630E3431FAB118C0D2C6ADBEF@server2003><F551E08567B641A9A034AFFD90B627F1@server2003><9CF3262DAC954995A1E0D12864179FF7@server2003><D849069F6A5A43D9A9C6685E0EE73947@server2003><A13126A9D2FA4EA38C30886C5B863051@server2003><35959F4BFC814BA8924D7317E58B4209@server2003>	<FE0448B5DB0544A7973EE7C85C5048E9@server2003>	<3185B92631DD40D090E3FF61BB987AFC@server2003>	<001001ce72a1$2c559370$8500ba50$@tydda.plus.com>	<51CB41FC.3010803@earthlink.net>	<000401ce72ae$dfd00130$9f700390$@tydda.plus.com><005b01ce72bf$a5b69750$f123c5f0$@winhaven.net>
	<003e01ce7389$1aa5cb70$4ff16250$@tydda.plus.com>
Message-ID: <E51489ADACE348828450355FCC4765F6@server2003>

For years there have been all sorts of theories on how to hire the right
programmer. Most if not all HR departments have subscribed to the above
mentioned "theories".

I am sure we have all suffered through such interviews where we were asked a
certain group of questions and if we passed we moved on the next set and so
on... Even Google and Microsoft have fallen victim to these bad hiring
practices. Below is an article that addresses the proper hiring methods,
after trashing much of the current HR wisdom:

http://techcrunch.com/2013/06/22/the-technical-interview-is-dead/

Jim


From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Jun 27 22:42:21 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2013 20:42:21 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] A pretty nice Windows 8 replacement
In-Reply-To: <003e01ce7389$1aa5cb70$4ff16250$@tydda.plus.com>
References: <CAEPJO1jdB6nrbcs76Nq2rZamCucu5MbaCn0aUeTv1M65ijG33Q@mail.gmail.com><E1B2A4A630E3431FAB118C0D2C6ADBEF@server2003><F551E08567B641A9A034AFFD90B627F1@server2003><9CF3262DAC954995A1E0D12864179FF7@server2003><D849069F6A5A43D9A9C6685E0EE73947@server2003><A13126A9D2FA4EA38C30886C5B863051@server2003><35959F4BFC814BA8924D7317E58B4209@server2003>	<FE0448B5DB0544A7973EE7C85C5048E9@server2003>	<3185B92631DD40D090E3FF61BB987AFC@server2003>	<001001ce72a1$2c559370$8500ba50$@tydda.plus.com>	<51CB41FC.3010803@earthlink.net>	<000401ce72ae$dfd00130$9f700390$@tydda.plus.com><005b01ce72bf$a5b69750$f123c5f0$@winhaven.net>
	<003e01ce7389$1aa5cb70$4ff16250$@tydda.plus.com>
Message-ID: <5A5C3E82019C4CAA92CE857F569CF770@server2003>

Hi All:

Mint 15, a Debian and Ubuntu refinement distro is now out and ready to go. 

If you are still wandering around with some old XP version and don't
necessarily want to go to Window 7 and definitely do not want to go to
Windows 8, as much from uncertainty as insufficient hardware capacity, well
there are some very good options available.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/06/26/mint_15_freshens_ubuntus_bad_bits/

Unless you are using some packages like Photoshop, AutoCAD, MS Office and
you have not heard of Linux application Wine, you may have some concerns.
(Under the standard Linux Wine package, all the applications, listed above,
run exactly the same, as they would on Windows, just a little faster.)

There are of course Linux alternatives like Gimp instead of Photoshop,
Draftsight instead of AutoCAD and Libra Office instead of MS Office; so pick
your method and pick your weapon.

Download your fresh Mint version here: http://www.linuxmint.com/download.php

Jim 


From marklbreen at gmail.com  Fri Jun 28 03:01:30 2013
From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen)
Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2013 09:01:30 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Everyone needs one or two
In-Reply-To: <002e01ce7306$cdf1ffb0$69d5ff10$@cactus.dk>
References: <002e01ce7306$cdf1ffb0$69d5ff10$@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <CAGXtTChwPGsK+gGWwXZ+LEBJuDqOkbS43J1grhVYdiU-hLA73w@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Gustav

I fully agree about the 1920 x 1200 however, most of the suppliers that I
look at nowadays no longer offer 1920 x 1200 resolution.  I am not sure why
but I am surprised about it.  We had 1200 height back in 1999.

Can I add one more item to the clapping hands list - dual or better again,
triple screens.


Mark




On 27 June 2013 08:20, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Hi Jon
>
> They are most likely as unhappy with the situation as you are, and they
> don't manufacture the drives but buy them. So the interesting info would
> be:
> What drives?
>
> We have been running SSDs from both IBM, Kingston, and Intel without a
> single failure, half in servers, half in desktops. Lately we have settled
> with the Intel 520 series which are very fast and not that expensive.
>
> If you wish users clapping their hands, you have three options: Intel i5 or
> faster CPU, a fast SSD, and a screen of 24" or larger with 1920 x 1200 (not
> 1080) resolution or larger.
>
> /gustav
>
> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Jon Tydda
> Sendt: 26. juni 2013 22:51
> Til: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
> Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Everyone needs one or two
>
> I don't want to bias anyone against the manufacturer, but their name sounds
> like Renovo... :-)
>
>
> Jon
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Peter Brawley
> Sent: 26 June 2013 20:33
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Everyone needs one or two
>
> On 2013-06-26 2:12 PM, Jon Tydda wrote:
> > Reliability has to vastly improve first. We bought 250 laptops with
> > SSDs three years ago at work, and we've replaced nearly 50 of the
> > drives under warranty.
> >
> > It could be that they don't like having Bitlocker encryption on them,
> > but I wouldn't buy one for my data drive just yet.
>
> Wow, 20% failure rate over 3 years ain't a good storage option!
>
> PB
>
>
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Jun 28 03:32:44 2013
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2013 10:32:44 +0200
Subject: [dba-Tech] Everyone needs one or two
Message-ID: <001c01ce73da$0ff014a0$2fd03de0$@cactus.dk>

Hi Mark

You are right about the dual screen. Windows 7 and 8 handles multiple
screens at a snap. I hooked up an old 19" monitor as a second screen, and my
co-workers are rapidly getting the idea. A perfect reuse of the old screen
when you install a new 24+" monitor.

Could be nice with a triple setup. The last time I tried that was when Doom
arrived, the successor to Wolfenstein (the only game I've played to some
extend). It had a feature to connect three machines, and then you could
adjust them to present the player's view left, front, and right. You had to
sit quite close to the CRTs to get the right feeling. Great fun! 

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Mark Breen
Sendt: 28. juni 2013 10:02
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Everyone needs one or two

Hello Gustav

I fully agree about the 1920 x 1200 however, most of the suppliers that I
look at nowadays no longer offer 1920 x 1200 resolution.  I am not sure why
but I am surprised about it.  We had 1200 height back in 1999.

Can I add one more item to the clapping hands list - dual or better again,
triple screens.


Mark


On 27 June 2013 08:20, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Hi Jon
>
> They are most likely as unhappy with the situation as you are, and 
> they don't manufacture the drives but buy them. So the interesting 
> info would be:
> What drives?
>
> We have been running SSDs from both IBM, Kingston, and Intel without a 
> single failure, half in servers, half in desktops. Lately we have 
> settled with the Intel 520 series which are very fast and not that
expensive.
>
> If you wish users clapping their hands, you have three options: Intel 
> i5 or faster CPU, a fast SSD, and a screen of 24" or larger with 1920 
> x 1200 (not 1080) resolution or larger.
>
> /gustav 



From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Jun 28 12:45:09 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2013 10:45:09 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Everyone needs one or two
In-Reply-To: <CAGXtTChwPGsK+gGWwXZ+LEBJuDqOkbS43J1grhVYdiU-hLA73w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <002e01ce7306$cdf1ffb0$69d5ff10$@cactus.dk>
	<CAGXtTChwPGsK+gGWwXZ+LEBJuDqOkbS43J1grhVYdiU-hLA73w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <169D59B18B924295BC51974E49E77E49@server2003>

Hi Mark:

When I was working full-time I did installs for were for a number of bank
trading houses. 

As you moved up the ladder the more screen surfaces you got. Junior or the
new guy got one, senior guy got two, senior investor got three and the
office manager or the corporate investor got four. There was even a rack
mount grid for holding all the screens in a curved surround.

The only thing that was different was the video card. It had four separate
video ports then when you went into Windows screen properties setting there
were four monitors available. (I do not remember the video card name but it
was fairly common.) 

Then there was a USB splitter box that would attach to the video port. This
would just make the one video image across all the monitors attached but you
could just spread various application's components to top-left, right,
bottom-left and so on. 

Each solution had its on pluses and minuses. The first solution was more
difficult to install, cost about $800-$1500 but ran significantly faster,
supported any resolution...a ultra-gaming box(?) The second solution was
fairly inexpensive, about $100, was easy to setup but could be laggy and had
to sacrifice resolution.

Jim 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen
Sent: Friday, June 28, 2013 1:02 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Everyone needs one or two

Hello Gustav

I fully agree about the 1920 x 1200 however, most of the suppliers that I
look at nowadays no longer offer 1920 x 1200 resolution.  I am not sure why
but I am surprised about it.  We had 1200 height back in 1999.

Can I add one more item to the clapping hands list - dual or better again,
triple screens.


Mark




On 27 June 2013 08:20, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Hi Jon
>
> They are most likely as unhappy with the situation as you are, and they
> don't manufacture the drives but buy them. So the interesting info would
> be:
> What drives?
>
> We have been running SSDs from both IBM, Kingston, and Intel without a
> single failure, half in servers, half in desktops. Lately we have settled
> with the Intel 520 series which are very fast and not that expensive.
>
> If you wish users clapping their hands, you have three options: Intel i5
or
> faster CPU, a fast SSD, and a screen of 24" or larger with 1920 x 1200
(not
> 1080) resolution or larger.
>
> /gustav
>
> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Jon Tydda
> Sendt: 26. juni 2013 22:51
> Til: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
> Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Everyone needs one or two
>
> I don't want to bias anyone against the manufacturer, but their name
sounds
> like Renovo... :-)
>
>
> Jon
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Peter Brawley
> Sent: 26 June 2013 20:33
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Everyone needs one or two
>
> On 2013-06-26 2:12 PM, Jon Tydda wrote:
> > Reliability has to vastly improve first. We bought 250 laptops with
> > SSDs three years ago at work, and we've replaced nearly 50 of the
> > drives under warranty.
> >
> > It could be that they don't like having Bitlocker encryption on them,
> > but I wouldn't buy one for my data drive just yet.
>
> Wow, 20% failure rate over 3 years ain't a good storage option!
>
> PB
>
>
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Jun 28 15:50:44 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2013 13:50:44 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Some interesting myths and truths about Big Data
In-Reply-To: <169D59B18B924295BC51974E49E77E49@server2003>
References: <002e01ce7306$cdf1ffb0$69d5ff10$@cactus.dk><CAGXtTChwPGsK+gGWwXZ+LEBJuDqOkbS43J1grhVYdiU-hLA73w@mail.gmail.com>
	<169D59B18B924295BC51974E49E77E49@server2003>
Message-ID: <EFBC60A113C444F1BD40E8389CD646BE@server2003>

There have been so many comments and predictions about Big-Data or more
accurately NoSQL or Map Reduce type databases. 

The following link provides a good technical assessment and over-view of
what Big Data is and what it is not:

http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/european-technology/big-data-two-truths-and
-five-myths/1769?tag=nl.e101&s_cid=e101&ttag=e101&ftag=

Jim