From garykjos at gmail.com  Fri Mar  1 10:09:35 2013
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2013 10:09:35 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Back to 8
In-Reply-To: <268F3780ECCE4263B11792F9784EAE3F@HAL9007>
References: <268F3780ECCE4263B11792F9784EAE3F@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <CAJ2R_p+ubxRE753OHya=1FXEvhFDctdiLxcezxDmPyC2=g3udg@mail.gmail.com>

The version of the Business Objects reporting tool we are currently on
won't work properly with browsers newer than IE 8. We have had a few
users upgrade to IE 9 and they then can't run reports.

To revert back to IE 8 from IE 9 the solution is to just remove IE 9
using the standard uninstall programs function in Windows Vista or 7.

Instructions are here

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows7/how-do-i-install-or-uninstall-internet-explorer-9
<http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows7/how-do-i-install-or-uninstall-internet-explorer-9>

the gist if it is

----------------------
To uninstall Internet Explorer
The following instructions apply to both Windows 7 and Windows Vista.

1. Click the Start button , type Programs and Features in the search
box, and then click View installed updates in the left pane.
2. Under Uninstall an update, scroll down to the Microsoft Windows section.
3. Right-click Windows Internet Explorer 9, click Uninstall, and then,
when prompted, click Yes.
4. Click one of the following:
- Restart now (to finish the process of uninstalling Internet Explorer
9 and restore the previous version of Internet Explorer).
- Restart later

----------------------

Guessing that the process would work the same for IE 10.

GK

On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 9:03 PM, Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:
> Dear Lists:
>
> So I upgraded to IE 10.  Looked good.  Couldn't tell much difference.  But
> my connection to a client's server won't work in 10.  So the not-work guy to
> em I have to go back to 8.  So - how do I do that?
>
> MTIA
>
> Rocky
>
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Mar  1 18:48:27 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2013 16:48:27 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] The ZFS FS
In-Reply-To: <CAJ2R_p+ubxRE753OHya=1FXEvhFDctdiLxcezxDmPyC2=g3udg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <268F3780ECCE4263B11792F9784EAE3F@HAL9007>
	<CAJ2R_p+ubxRE753OHya=1FXEvhFDctdiLxcezxDmPyC2=g3udg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3BDDF65E1C2A41DDB074A2702936423E@creativesystemdesigns.com>

ZFS may be the ultimate file system for any OS. 

It features are quite incredible. ZFS is a combined file system and logical
volume manager designed by Sun Microsystems. The features of ZFS include
protection against data corruption, support for high storage capacities,
integration of the concepts of filesystem and volume management, snapshots
and copy-on-write clones, continuous integrity checking and automatic
repair, RAID-Z and native NFSv4 ACLs. ZFS is implemented as open-source
software.

If you are worry about the integrity of the file system, it is supposed to
be the most stable FS in the world. If you are concerned that it can not
access sufficient storage don't worry. A ZFS file system can store up to 256
quadrillion zettabytes (ZB), where a 1 zettabyte = 1,073,741,824 terabytes
...much larger than most of our MS Access MDBs.

http://zfsonlinux.org/faq.html

It can install on a number of Distros but unfortunately, it is not supported
by Windows Servers...yet.

Jim 


From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Fri Mar  1 19:51:02 2013
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2013 17:51:02 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] The ZFS FS
In-Reply-To: <3BDDF65E1C2A41DDB074A2702936423E@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <268F3780ECCE4263B11792F9784EAE3F@HAL9007>
	<CAJ2R_p+ubxRE753OHya=1FXEvhFDctdiLxcezxDmPyC2=g3udg@mail.gmail.com>
	<3BDDF65E1C2A41DDB074A2702936423E@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <77C929AC-DFB1-4E72-9F6B-10D5C3D054F6@phulse.com>

ZFS is indeed the ultimate file system. Here's a great introduction to the features of ZFS:

http://www.jupiterbroadcasting.com/13052/ultimate-zfs-overview-techsnap-28/


Best regards,
Hans-Christian Andersen


On 1 Mar 2013, at 16:48, "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> ZFS may be the ultimate file system for any OS. 
> 
> It features are quite incredible. ZFS is a combined file system and logical
> volume manager designed by Sun Microsystems. The features of ZFS include
> protection against data corruption, support for high storage capacities,
> integration of the concepts of filesystem and volume management, snapshots
> and copy-on-write clones, continuous integrity checking and automatic
> repair, RAID-Z and native NFSv4 ACLs. ZFS is implemented as open-source
> software.
> 
> If you are worry about the integrity of the file system, it is supposed to
> be the most stable FS in the world. If you are concerned that it can not
> access sufficient storage don't worry. A ZFS file system can store up to 256
> quadrillion zettabytes (ZB), where a 1 zettabyte = 1,073,741,824 terabytes
> ...much larger than most of our MS Access MDBs.
> 
> http://zfsonlinux.org/faq.html
> 
> It can install on a number of Distros but unfortunately, it is not supported
> by Windows Servers...yet.
> 
> Jim 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Mar  1 22:16:00 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2013 20:16:00 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] The ZFS FS
In-Reply-To: <77C929AC-DFB1-4E72-9F6B-10D5C3D054F6@phulse.com>
References: <268F3780ECCE4263B11792F9784EAE3F@HAL9007><CAJ2R_p+ubxRE753OHya=1FXEvhFDctdiLxcezxDmPyC2=g3udg@mail.gmail.com><3BDDF65E1C2A41DDB074A2702936423E@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<77C929AC-DFB1-4E72-9F6B-10D5C3D054F6@phulse.com>
Message-ID: <AAB1EE72E94B4BC6A00615F6D81D5275@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Hi Hans:

Thanks for that. I will check it out over dinner.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hans-Christian
Andersen
Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 5:51 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] The ZFS FS

ZFS is indeed the ultimate file system. Here's a great introduction to the
features of ZFS:

http://www.jupiterbroadcasting.com/13052/ultimate-zfs-overview-techsnap-28/


Best regards,
Hans-Christian Andersen


On 1 Mar 2013, at 16:48, "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> ZFS may be the ultimate file system for any OS. 
> 
> It features are quite incredible. ZFS is a combined file system and
logical
> volume manager designed by Sun Microsystems. The features of ZFS include
> protection against data corruption, support for high storage capacities,
> integration of the concepts of filesystem and volume management, snapshots
> and copy-on-write clones, continuous integrity checking and automatic
> repair, RAID-Z and native NFSv4 ACLs. ZFS is implemented as open-source
> software.
> 
> If you are worry about the integrity of the file system, it is supposed to
> be the most stable FS in the world. If you are concerned that it can not
> access sufficient storage don't worry. A ZFS file system can store up to
256
> quadrillion zettabytes (ZB), where a 1 zettabyte = 1,073,741,824 terabytes
> ...much larger than most of our MS Access MDBs.
> 
> http://zfsonlinux.org/faq.html
> 
> It can install on a number of Distros but unfortunately, it is not
supported
> by Windows Servers...yet.
> 
> Jim 
> 
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Sat Mar  2 06:13:39 2013
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2013 13:13:39 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] The ZFS FS
Message-ID: <s131fb18.050@cactus.dk>

Hi Jim

I faught a couple of years ago setting up a OpenSolaris server with ZFS for the reasons you mention. It should serve as iSCSI storage and also as file server for our Windows workstations.

But I had to give up. Having it integrated in an Active Directory was (is?) close to impossible, and configuring iSCSI targets is not for anyone but true experts.
The main reason is lack of documentation. You have to collect bits and pieces from here and everywhere some of which you later find out is outdated.

Even worse is that this kind of experience makes you feel stupid. I am not but, believe me, somewhere in the process you will sit back and wonder if you have chosen the right business.

After a year or so (on and off, of course) I fired up two Windows R2 servers, and in less than a week I had them running at our two locations with RAID, shadow copy to separate drives, backup systems at both ends to other drives, fully synchronized via DFS, individual user rights via AD (also synchronized), a secondary local backup system, remote backup, and iSCSI targets at one end using the free Starwind software.

So ZFS may be excellent in a xNIX environment but be prepared if you wish to integrate it in a Windows environment.

/gustav

>>> accessd at shaw.ca 02-03-13 1:48 >>>
ZFS may be the ultimate file system for any OS. 

It features are quite incredible. ZFS is a combined file system and logical
volume manager designed by Sun Microsystems. The features of ZFS include
protection against data corruption, support for high storage capacities,
integration of the concepts of filesystem and volume management, snapshots
and copy-on-write clones, continuous integrity checking and automatic
repair, RAID-Z and native NFSv4 ACLs. ZFS is implemented as open-source
software.

If you are worry about the integrity of the file system, it is supposed to
be the most stable FS in the world. If you are concerned that it can not
access sufficient storage don't worry. A ZFS file system can store up to 256
quadrillion zettabytes (ZB), where a 1 zettabyte = 1,073,741,824 terabytes
...much larger than most of our MS Access MDBs.

http://zfsonlinux.org/faq.html

It can install on a number of Distros but unfortunately, it is not supported
by Windows Servers...yet.

Jim 


From accessd at shaw.ca  Sat Mar  2 09:55:02 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2013 07:55:02 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] The ZFS FS
In-Reply-To: <s131fb18.050@cactus.dk>
References: <s131fb18.050@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <03BC6EFCED8F4F519118D6C890653D14@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Hi Gustav:

" ...somewhere in the process you will sit back and wonder if you have
chosen the right business... " and that is unusual in this business because?
If I had a hundred dollars for every time I walked into a business and said
to myself, "What am I doing here!", I would be very wealthy. Before I
retired (semi-retired), my upline contractor would always be putting me on
sites with no docs of any kind as I was expected to just wing it...once you
have apparently "walked on water" it becomes an expectation. 

To my understanding, until recently ZFS was only compatible with one other
system than OpenSolaris and that was OpenBSD...with some recent updates in
the Linux kernel it is now compatible with all Linux distros. Also according
to what I read/heard it works fine with a Samba server (which has its own
Actively Directory and/or supports Windows AD but this of course is a recent
offering now that Microsoft and Linux are working together) and now is fully
compatible with both Linux/UNIX and Windows. There is a lot of versions of
the ZFS product...isn't the latest version 25 or 26? ...over-night builds
seem become the latest release. ;-)

Aside: In a few years Microsoft, like Oracle now is, will be moving
seriously into the Linux OSS world or they would not be spending so much
money supporting products like Mono, Samba, Cassadra, Hadoop, even Linux
kernel development...and many more.

That is one of the main problems with a lot of these OS products; lack of
documentation. That is where an active online community around any
application is so necessary. 

I am always apprehensive of bleeding edge products but it does sound like
you finally obtained a very good solution. The only reason to try ZFS would
be because of the incredible features it affords...once running that is.
 
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 4:14 AM
To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] The ZFS FS

Hi Jim

I faught a couple of years ago setting up a OpenSolaris server with ZFS for
the reasons you mention. It should serve as iSCSI storage and also as file
server for our Windows workstations.

But I had to give up. Having it integrated in an Active Directory was (is?)
close to impossible, and configuring iSCSI targets is not for anyone but
true experts.
The main reason is lack of documentation. You have to collect bits and
pieces from here and everywhere some of which you later find out is
outdated.

Even worse is that this kind of experience makes you feel stupid. I am not
but, believe me, somewhere in the process you will sit back and wonder if
you have chosen the right business.

After a year or so (on and off, of course) I fired up two Windows R2
servers, and in less than a week I had them running at our two locations
with RAID, shadow copy to separate drives, backup systems at both ends to
other drives, fully synchronized via DFS, individual user rights via AD
(also synchronized), a secondary local backup system, remote backup, and
iSCSI targets at one end using the free Starwind software.

So ZFS may be excellent in a xNIX environment but be prepared if you wish to
integrate it in a Windows environment.

/gustav

>>> accessd at shaw.ca 02-03-13 1:48 >>>
ZFS may be the ultimate file system for any OS. 

It features are quite incredible. ZFS is a combined file system and logical
volume manager designed by Sun Microsystems. The features of ZFS include
protection against data corruption, support for high storage capacities,
integration of the concepts of filesystem and volume management, snapshots
and copy-on-write clones, continuous integrity checking and automatic
repair, RAID-Z and native NFSv4 ACLs. ZFS is implemented as open-source
software.

If you are worry about the integrity of the file system, it is supposed to
be the most stable FS in the world. If you are concerned that it can not
access sufficient storage don't worry. A ZFS file system can store up to 256
quadrillion zettabytes (ZB), where a 1 zettabyte = 1,073,741,824 terabytes
...much larger than most of our MS Access MDBs.

http://zfsonlinux.org/faq.html

It can install on a number of Distros but unfortunately, it is not supported
by Windows Servers...yet.

Jim 

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From df.waters at comcast.net  Tue Mar  5 11:19:52 2013
From: df.waters at comcast.net (Dan Waters)
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2013 11:19:52 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Server Hardening? Really?
Message-ID: <002001ce19c5$a61fd9c0$f25f8d40$@comcast.net>

One of my customers is a subsidiary of a larger company.  That company has
contracted with Computer Services Company (CSC) to provide computer and
network services.  (CSC was recently fired by the US Air Force for not
fulfilling a contract to provide a large software system.)

 

At my customer, CSC is doing what they call 'server hardening'.  A
consequence of this is that remote desktop access is no longer allowed - so
I can no longer directly update or maintain the system I've built for them.
Even my customer's employees have lost their remote access to this server.
I have yet to figure out how to make this work.  BTW, the folks at my
customer have been infuriated by CSC's actions for a couple of years now and
they are angrier than I am.

 

So, I'd like to ask everyone if you believe that preventing remote desktop
access is appropriate for server hardening.  Or, what steps could be done to
provide equivalently secure remote access?

 

 

Thanks!

Dan Waters 

 


From gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Mar  5 11:29:41 2013
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2013 18:29:41 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Server Hardening? Really?
Message-ID: <00c401ce19c7$05101750$0f3045f0$@cactus.dk>

Hi Dan

For such cases we install LogMeIn (free edition) on the server to be able to
access it from outside.
Of course, this requires that you can gain the rights to install LogMeIn.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Dan Waters
Sendt: 5. marts 2013 18:20
Til: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Emne: [dba-Tech] Server Hardening? Really?

One of my customers is a subsidiary of a larger company.  That company has
contracted with Computer Services Company (CSC) to provide computer and
network services.  (CSC was recently fired by the US Air Force for not
fulfilling a contract to provide a large software system.)

 

At my customer, CSC is doing what they call 'server hardening'.  A
consequence of this is that remote desktop access is no longer allowed - so
I can no longer directly update or maintain the system I've built for them.
Even my customer's employees have lost their remote access to this server.
I have yet to figure out how to make this work.  BTW, the folks at my
customer have been infuriated by CSC's actions for a couple of years now and
they are angrier than I am.

 

So, I'd like to ask everyone if you believe that preventing remote desktop
access is appropriate for server hardening.  Or, what steps could be done to
provide equivalently secure remote access?

 

 

Thanks!

Dan Waters 



From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Tue Mar  5 11:32:16 2013
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2013 09:32:16 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Server Hardening? Really?
In-Reply-To: <002001ce19c5$a61fd9c0$f25f8d40$@comcast.net>
References: <002001ce19c5$a61fd9c0$f25f8d40$@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <B5F7AD51-2143-4556-8F69-1C5584720747@phulse.com>

I would generally agree that it is a bad idea to have remote desktop accessible from the web. A better alternative is to set up a VPN or, at the very least, using port knocking to secure the server better from malicious background internet traffic. Another alternative, which I use, is a tool on Linux called fail2ban, which monitors your logs for failed login attempts and bans any IP's that failed to login 3 times in the firewall. Works like a charm. But, I wouldn't allow any service that doesn't need to be public to be accessible publicly in principle. It may seem safe today, but once a zero-day exploit comes around... 

- Hans


 
On 2013-03-05, at 9:19 AM, "Dan Waters" <df.waters at comcast.net> wrote:

> One of my customers is a subsidiary of a larger company.  That company has
> contracted with Computer Services Company (CSC) to provide computer and
> network services.  (CSC was recently fired by the US Air Force for not
> fulfilling a contract to provide a large software system.)
> 
> 
> 
> At my customer, CSC is doing what they call 'server hardening'.  A
> consequence of this is that remote desktop access is no longer allowed - so
> I can no longer directly update or maintain the system I've built for them.
> Even my customer's employees have lost their remote access to this server.
> I have yet to figure out how to make this work.  BTW, the folks at my
> customer have been infuriated by CSC's actions for a couple of years now and
> they are angrier than I am.
> 
> 
> 
> So, I'd like to ask everyone if you believe that preventing remote desktop
> access is appropriate for server hardening.  Or, what steps could be done to
> provide equivalently secure remote access?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Dan Waters 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com



From john at winhaven.net  Tue Mar  5 11:57:49 2013
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2013 11:57:49 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Server Hardening? Really?
In-Reply-To: <002001ce19c5$a61fd9c0$f25f8d40$@comcast.net>
References: <002001ce19c5$a61fd9c0$f25f8d40$@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <00c201ce19ca$f38a7a30$da9f6e90$@winhaven.net>

Hi Dan,
There are better methods than remote desktop. I use Team Viewer as its part
of my managed services but no one else needs to have remote access to the
servers so it's not the same issue. I have used LogMeIn in the past. At $35
or something like that it's a good deal and has many security features. At
one client where I don't "do it all" and just have an application on site I
was set up with my own VPN connection. They can, I would suspect, monitor
what I do while logged in. As it should be.
John B

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2013 11:20 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: [dba-Tech] Server Hardening? Really?

One of my customers is a subsidiary of a larger company.  That company has
contracted with Computer Services Company (CSC) to provide computer and
network services.  (CSC was recently fired by the US Air Force for not
fulfilling a contract to provide a large software system.)

 

At my customer, CSC is doing what they call 'server hardening'.  A
consequence of this is that remote desktop access is no longer allowed - so
I can no longer directly update or maintain the system I've built for them.
Even my customer's employees have lost their remote access to this server.
I have yet to figure out how to make this work.  BTW, the folks at my
customer have been infuriated by CSC's actions for a couple of years now and
they are angrier than I am.

 

So, I'd like to ask everyone if you believe that preventing remote desktop
access is appropriate for server hardening.  Or, what steps could be done to
provide equivalently secure remote access?

 

 

Thanks!

Dan Waters 

 

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From df.waters at comcast.net  Tue Mar  5 12:52:12 2013
From: df.waters at comcast.net (Dan Waters)
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2013 12:52:12 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Server Hardening? Really?
In-Reply-To: <B5F7AD51-2143-4556-8F69-1C5584720747@phulse.com>
References: <002001ce19c5$a61fd9c0$f25f8d40$@comcast.net>
	<B5F7AD51-2143-4556-8F69-1C5584720747@phulse.com>
Message-ID: <003301ce19d2$8c580b90$a50822b0$@comcast.net>

Hi Hans,

I should have said that I do connect using their VPN (Aventail) which does
require a username and password.  This is just for my access, and isn't
public from the web.

Thanks!
Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hans-Christian
Andersen
Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2013 11:32 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Server Hardening? Really?

I would generally agree that it is a bad idea to have remote desktop
accessible from the web. A better alternative is to set up a VPN or, at the
very least, using port knocking to secure the server better from malicious
background internet traffic. Another alternative, which I use, is a tool on
Linux called fail2ban, which monitors your logs for failed login attempts
and bans any IP's that failed to login 3 times in the firewall. Works like a
charm. But, I wouldn't allow any service that doesn't need to be public to
be accessible publicly in principle. It may seem safe today, but once a
zero-day exploit comes around... 

- Hans


 
On 2013-03-05, at 9:19 AM, "Dan Waters" <df.waters at comcast.net> wrote:

> One of my customers is a subsidiary of a larger company.  That company 
> has contracted with Computer Services Company (CSC) to provide 
> computer and network services.  (CSC was recently fired by the US Air 
> Force for not fulfilling a contract to provide a large software 
> system.)
> 
> 
> 
> At my customer, CSC is doing what they call 'server hardening'.  A 
> consequence of this is that remote desktop access is no longer allowed 
> - so I can no longer directly update or maintain the system I've built for
them.
> Even my customer's employees have lost their remote access to this server.
> I have yet to figure out how to make this work.  BTW, the folks at my 
> customer have been infuriated by CSC's actions for a couple of years 
> now and they are angrier than I am.
> 
> 
> 
> So, I'd like to ask everyone if you believe that preventing remote 
> desktop access is appropriate for server hardening.  Or, what steps 
> could be done to provide equivalently secure remote access?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Dan Waters
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com


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From john at winhaven.net  Tue Mar  5 13:24:20 2013
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2013 13:24:20 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Server Hardening? Really?
In-Reply-To: <003301ce19d2$8c580b90$a50822b0$@comcast.net>
References: <002001ce19c5$a61fd9c0$f25f8d40$@comcast.net>	<B5F7AD51-2143-4556-8F69-1C5584720747@phulse.com>
	<003301ce19d2$8c580b90$a50822b0$@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <00eb01ce19d7$09460590$1bd210b0$@winhaven.net>

And they no longer allow that? If so they definitely needs to replace it
with something (that they support) that you can use.
jb

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2013 12:52 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Server Hardening? Really?

Hi Hans,

I should have said that I do connect using their VPN (Aventail) which does
require a username and password.  This is just for my access, and isn't
public from the web.

Thanks!
Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hans-Christian
Andersen
Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2013 11:32 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Server Hardening? Really?

I would generally agree that it is a bad idea to have remote desktop
accessible from the web. A better alternative is to set up a VPN or, at the
very least, using port knocking to secure the server better from malicious
background internet traffic. Another alternative, which I use, is a tool on
Linux called fail2ban, which monitors your logs for failed login attempts
and bans any IP's that failed to login 3 times in the firewall. Works like a
charm. But, I wouldn't allow any service that doesn't need to be public to
be accessible publicly in principle. It may seem safe today, but once a
zero-day exploit comes around... 

- Hans


 
On 2013-03-05, at 9:19 AM, "Dan Waters" <df.waters at comcast.net> wrote:

> One of my customers is a subsidiary of a larger company.  That company 
> has contracted with Computer Services Company (CSC) to provide 
> computer and network services.  (CSC was recently fired by the US Air 
> Force for not fulfilling a contract to provide a large software
> system.)
> 
> 
> 
> At my customer, CSC is doing what they call 'server hardening'.  A 
> consequence of this is that remote desktop access is no longer allowed
> - so I can no longer directly update or maintain the system I've built 
> for
them.
> Even my customer's employees have lost their remote access to this server.
> I have yet to figure out how to make this work.  BTW, the folks at my 
> customer have been infuriated by CSC's actions for a couple of years 
> now and they are angrier than I am.
> 
> 
> 
> So, I'd like to ask everyone if you believe that preventing remote 
> desktop access is appropriate for server hardening.  Or, what steps 
> could be done to provide equivalently secure remote access?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Dan Waters
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
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From df.waters at comcast.net  Tue Mar  5 13:31:18 2013
From: df.waters at comcast.net (Dan Waters)
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2013 13:31:18 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Server Hardening? Really?
In-Reply-To: <00eb01ce19d7$09460590$1bd210b0$@winhaven.net>
References: <002001ce19c5$a61fd9c0$f25f8d40$@comcast.net>	<B5F7AD51-2143-4556-8F69-1C5584720747@phulse.com>	<003301ce19d2$8c580b90$a50822b0$@comcast.net>
	<00eb01ce19d7$09460590$1bd210b0$@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <003a01ce19d8$02a3c280$07eb4780$@comcast.net>

Hi John,

They do continue to support Aventail.  I can use it to connect to their
network to open a mapped folder on the server, but that's not much use when
trying to update/maintain Visual Studio, Access, or SQL Server.

It is actually their intention that no one be able to log into the server
remotely by any means.  To me this is a very ham-fisted and self-destructive
approach to security.

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow
Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2013 1:24 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Server Hardening? Really?

And they no longer allow that? If so they definitely needs to replace it
with something (that they support) that you can use.
jb

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2013 12:52 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Server Hardening? Really?

Hi Hans,

I should have said that I do connect using their VPN (Aventail) which does
require a username and password.  This is just for my access, and isn't
public from the web.

Thanks!
Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hans-Christian
Andersen
Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2013 11:32 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Server Hardening? Really?

I would generally agree that it is a bad idea to have remote desktop
accessible from the web. A better alternative is to set up a VPN or, at the
very least, using port knocking to secure the server better from malicious
background internet traffic. Another alternative, which I use, is a tool on
Linux called fail2ban, which monitors your logs for failed login attempts
and bans any IP's that failed to login 3 times in the firewall. Works like a
charm. But, I wouldn't allow any service that doesn't need to be public to
be accessible publicly in principle. It may seem safe today, but once a
zero-day exploit comes around... 

- Hans


 
On 2013-03-05, at 9:19 AM, "Dan Waters" <df.waters at comcast.net> wrote:

> One of my customers is a subsidiary of a larger company.  That company 
> has contracted with Computer Services Company (CSC) to provide 
> computer and network services.  (CSC was recently fired by the US Air 
> Force for not fulfilling a contract to provide a large software
> system.)
> 
> 
> 
> At my customer, CSC is doing what they call 'server hardening'.  A 
> consequence of this is that remote desktop access is no longer allowed
> - so I can no longer directly update or maintain the system I've built 
> for
them.
> Even my customer's employees have lost their remote access to this server.
> I have yet to figure out how to make this work.  BTW, the folks at my 
> customer have been infuriated by CSC's actions for a couple of years 
> now and they are angrier than I am.
> 
> 
> 
> So, I'd like to ask everyone if you believe that preventing remote 
> desktop access is appropriate for server hardening.  Or, what steps 
> could be done to provide equivalently secure remote access?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Dan Waters
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com


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From john at winhaven.net  Tue Mar  5 14:36:32 2013
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2013 14:36:32 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Server Hardening? Really?
In-Reply-To: <003a01ce19d8$02a3c280$07eb4780$@comcast.net>
References: <002001ce19c5$a61fd9c0$f25f8d40$@comcast.net>	<B5F7AD51-2143-4556-8F69-1C5584720747@phulse.com>	<003301ce19d2$8c580b90$a50822b0$@comcast.net>	<00eb01ce19d7$09460590$1bd210b0$@winhaven.net>
	<003a01ce19d8$02a3c280$07eb4780$@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <010e01ce19e1$1f58c390$5e0a4ab0$@winhaven.net>

Yea, I agree. What's the difference if you go on site or via a secure remote
connection? Just make sure you charge them for travel times, meals and other
expenses and so on. Eventually the customer will either change the policy or
accept that the cost of total paranoia is justified.

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2013 1:31 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Server Hardening? Really?

Hi John,

They do continue to support Aventail.  I can use it to connect to their
network to open a mapped folder on the server, but that's not much use when
trying to update/maintain Visual Studio, Access, or SQL Server.

It is actually their intention that no one be able to log into the server
remotely by any means.  To me this is a very ham-fisted and self-destructive
approach to security.

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow
Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2013 1:24 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Server Hardening? Really?

And they no longer allow that? If so they definitely needs to replace it
with something (that they support) that you can use.
jb

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2013 12:52 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Server Hardening? Really?

Hi Hans,

I should have said that I do connect using their VPN (Aventail) which does
require a username and password.  This is just for my access, and isn't
public from the web.

Thanks!
Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hans-Christian
Andersen
Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2013 11:32 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Server Hardening? Really?

I would generally agree that it is a bad idea to have remote desktop
accessible from the web. A better alternative is to set up a VPN or, at the
very least, using port knocking to secure the server better from malicious
background internet traffic. Another alternative, which I use, is a tool on
Linux called fail2ban, which monitors your logs for failed login attempts
and bans any IP's that failed to login 3 times in the firewall. Works like a
charm. But, I wouldn't allow any service that doesn't need to be public to
be accessible publicly in principle. It may seem safe today, but once a
zero-day exploit comes around... 

- Hans


 
On 2013-03-05, at 9:19 AM, "Dan Waters" <df.waters at comcast.net> wrote:

> One of my customers is a subsidiary of a larger company.  That company 
> has contracted with Computer Services Company (CSC) to provide 
> computer and network services.  (CSC was recently fired by the US Air 
> Force for not fulfilling a contract to provide a large software
> system.)
> 
> 
> 
> At my customer, CSC is doing what they call 'server hardening'.  A 
> consequence of this is that remote desktop access is no longer allowed
> - so I can no longer directly update or maintain the system I've built 
> for
them.
> Even my customer's employees have lost their remote access to this server.
> I have yet to figure out how to make this work.  BTW, the folks at my 
> customer have been infuriated by CSC's actions for a couple of years 
> now and they are angrier than I am.
> 
> 
> 
> So, I'd like to ask everyone if you believe that preventing remote 
> desktop access is appropriate for server hardening.  Or, what steps 
> could be done to provide equivalently secure remote access?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Dan Waters
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com


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From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Tue Mar  5 15:55:09 2013
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2013 13:55:09 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Server Hardening? Really?
In-Reply-To: <003301ce19d2$8c580b90$a50822b0$@comcast.net>
References: <002001ce19c5$a61fd9c0$f25f8d40$@comcast.net>
	<B5F7AD51-2143-4556-8F69-1C5584720747@phulse.com>
	<003301ce19d2$8c580b90$a50822b0$@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <151BE793-051A-4704-B01B-358441031751@phulse.com>

I see.

Well, there could very well be legitimate reasons to be so heavy handed, but I imagine this would have to have been an agreement made between CSC and your customers parent company - their assumption being that the data or service there is so important that it cannot be trusted in your hands.

My own concern regarding this setup would be who watches the watchmen? Who is able to say whether they are doing a decent job? And, does the parent company have a mitigation plan if CSC messes up or their contract dissolves?

Also, you could make a point about "server hardening" by cutting the network cable on the server box. :p

- Hans


On 2013-03-05, at 10:52 AM, "Dan Waters" <df.waters at comcast.net> wrote:

> Hi Hans,
> 
> I should have said that I do connect using their VPN (Aventail) which does
> require a username and password.  This is just for my access, and isn't
> public from the web.
> 
> Thanks!
> Dan
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hans-Christian
> Andersen
> Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2013 11:32 AM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Server Hardening? Really?
> 
> I would generally agree that it is a bad idea to have remote desktop
> accessible from the web. A better alternative is to set up a VPN or, at the
> very least, using port knocking to secure the server better from malicious
> background internet traffic. Another alternative, which I use, is a tool on
> Linux called fail2ban, which monitors your logs for failed login attempts
> and bans any IP's that failed to login 3 times in the firewall. Works like a
> charm. But, I wouldn't allow any service that doesn't need to be public to
> be accessible publicly in principle. It may seem safe today, but once a
> zero-day exploit comes around... 
> 
> - Hans
> 
> 
> 
> On 2013-03-05, at 9:19 AM, "Dan Waters" <df.waters at comcast.net> wrote:
> 
>> One of my customers is a subsidiary of a larger company.  That company 
>> has contracted with Computer Services Company (CSC) to provide 
>> computer and network services.  (CSC was recently fired by the US Air 
>> Force for not fulfilling a contract to provide a large software 
>> system.)
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> At my customer, CSC is doing what they call 'server hardening'.  A 
>> consequence of this is that remote desktop access is no longer allowed 
>> - so I can no longer directly update or maintain the system I've built for
> them.
>> Even my customer's employees have lost their remote access to this server.
>> I have yet to figure out how to make this work.  BTW, the folks at my 
>> customer have been infuriated by CSC's actions for a couple of years 
>> now and they are angrier than I am.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> So, I'd like to ask everyone if you believe that preventing remote 
>> desktop access is appropriate for server hardening.  Or, what steps 
>> could be done to provide equivalently secure remote access?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks!
>> 
>> Dan Waters
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> dba-Tech mailing list
>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From jon.tydda at lonza.com  Wed Mar  6 02:25:32 2013
From: jon.tydda at lonza.com (Tydda Jon - Lonza Slough)
Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2013 09:25:32 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Server Hardening? Really?
In-Reply-To: <002001ce19c5$a61fd9c0$f25f8d40$@comcast.net>
References: <002001ce19c5$a61fd9c0$f25f8d40$@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <A750CC0AAE63CB489C58478FF67DE6321F237F7752@chvex03.lonzagroup.net>

At my current work, once you're in via the VPN or remote accessing with RSA tokens, you can do anything.

At my last place, you logged on from home to a DMZ, where you had remote control of a server which could then access things within the network if you had the privileges. There's various ways of doing it...


Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: 05 March 2013 17:20
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: [dba-Tech] Server Hardening? Really?

One of my customers is a subsidiary of a larger company.  That company has contracted with Computer Services Company (CSC) to provide computer and network services.  (CSC was recently fired by the US Air Force for not fulfilling a contract to provide a large software system.)



At my customer, CSC is doing what they call 'server hardening'.  A consequence of this is that remote desktop access is no longer allowed - so I can no longer directly update or maintain the system I've built for them.
Even my customer's employees have lost their remote access to this server.
I have yet to figure out how to make this work.  BTW, the folks at my customer have been infuriated by CSC's actions for a couple of years now and they are angrier than I am.



So, I'd like to ask everyone if you believe that preventing remote desktop access is appropriate for server hardening.  Or, what steps could be done to provide equivalently secure remote access?





Thanks!

Dan Waters



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From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Mar  6 19:22:03 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2013 17:22:03 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Beating a dead horse?
In-Reply-To: <151BE793-051A-4704-B01B-358441031751@phulse.com>
References: <002001ce19c5$a61fd9c0$f25f8d40$@comcast.net><B5F7AD51-2143-4556-8F69-1C5584720747@phulse.com><003301ce19d2$8c580b90$a50822b0$@comcast.net>
	<151BE793-051A-4704-B01B-358441031751@phulse.com>
Message-ID: <681549B84F6E4268BED679AAF7A66E63@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Yes, we are probably beating a dead horse. 

It seems to all the proponents of computer industry are giving Win8 a thumbs
down and they are relentless.

http://www.zdnet.com/five-reasons-why-windows-8-has-failed-7000012104/

My personal feeling is as soon as Microsoft can cut their bleeding and move
on with another more acceptable product the better it will be for the
company. I never thought I could ever feel sorry for Microsoft, even
slightly but I do...I can hardly stand to watch their Windows product lines
committing slow and an excruciating painful suicide in public. How very far
the great has fallen. 

OTOH, who knows, maybe if MS sticks to the product long enough or re-markets
it there just might be a turn around but it will hardly be a rapid event.

Jim 


From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Wed Mar  6 19:45:55 2013
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2013 17:45:55 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Beating a dead horse?
In-Reply-To: <681549B84F6E4268BED679AAF7A66E63@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <002001ce19c5$a61fd9c0$f25f8d40$@comcast.net><B5F7AD51-2143-4556-8F69-1C5584720747@phulse.com><003301ce19d2$8c580b90$a50822b0$@comcast.net><151BE793-051A-4704-B01B-358441031751@phulse.com>
	<681549B84F6E4268BED679AAF7A66E63@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <26F265E5C7B04EDDAC6206186DD726C2@HAL9007>

Unless it finds a home in the tablet and is favored by the corporate world
who have been in the Microsoft desktop world for 25 years. 

The article seems to say that W8 will fail on the desk/laptop .  Probably.
But reasons 1, 2, 3, 4 all relate to the PC world - a world we know has
declining sales.

But what if over the next few years, people abandon their desk/laptops
because they don't need them.  They need mobility more - communications, web
browsing, the cloud, information.  So they'll be carrying tablets instead of
laptops and netbooks. 

I wouldn't count them out yet.

R


-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2013 5:22 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: [dba-Tech] Beating a dead horse?

Yes, we are probably beating a dead horse. 

It seems to all the proponents of computer industry are giving Win8 a thumbs
down and they are relentless.

http://www.zdnet.com/five-reasons-why-windows-8-has-failed-7000012104/

My personal feeling is as soon as Microsoft can cut their bleeding and move
on with another more acceptable product the better it will be for the
company. I never thought I could ever feel sorry for Microsoft, even
slightly but I do...I can hardly stand to watch their Windows product lines
committing slow and an excruciating painful suicide in public. How very far
the great has fallen. 

OTOH, who knows, maybe if MS sticks to the product long enough or re-markets
it there just might be a turn around but it will hardly be a rapid event.

Jim 

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From john at winhaven.net  Wed Mar  6 22:54:27 2013
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2013 22:54:27 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Beating a dead horse?
In-Reply-To: <681549B84F6E4268BED679AAF7A66E63@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <002001ce19c5$a61fd9c0$f25f8d40$@comcast.net><B5F7AD51-2143-4556-8F69-1C5584720747@phulse.com><003301ce19d2$8c580b90$a50822b0$@comcast.net>	<151BE793-051A-4704-B01B-358441031751@phulse.com>
	<681549B84F6E4268BED679AAF7A66E63@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <02d301ce1aef$d8d310a0$8a7931e0$@winhaven.net>

Most writers love to hate MS. Windows 9 will the Windows 7 to Windows Vista
or the Office 2010 to the Office 2007 or the...

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2013 7:22 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: [dba-Tech] Beating a dead horse?

Yes, we are probably beating a dead horse. 

It seems to all the proponents of computer industry are giving Win8 a thumbs
down and they are relentless.

http://www.zdnet.com/five-reasons-why-windows-8-has-failed-7000012104/

My personal feeling is as soon as Microsoft can cut their bleeding and move
on with another more acceptable product the better it will be for the
company. I never thought I could ever feel sorry for Microsoft, even
slightly but I do...I can hardly stand to watch their Windows product lines
committing slow and an excruciating painful suicide in public. How very far
the great has fallen. 

OTOH, who knows, maybe if MS sticks to the product long enough or re-markets
it there just might be a turn around but it will hardly be a rapid event.

Jim 

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From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Thu Mar  7 04:06:43 2013
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2013 14:06:43 +0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?Beating_a_dead_horse=3F?=
In-Reply-To: <681549B84F6E4268BED679AAF7A66E63@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <002001ce19c5$a61fd9c0$f25f8d40$@comcast.net>
	<151BE793-051A-4704-B01B-358441031751@phulse.com>
	<681549B84F6E4268BED679AAF7A66E63@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <1362650803.429872444@f387.i.mail.ru>

 Hi Jim --

Surprisingly, I have just thought MS is demonstrating the true signs of recovering but it could be just my 'biased' feeling... :)

Thank you.

-- Shamil


?????,  6 ????? 2013, 17:22 -08:00 ?? "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca>:
>Yes, we are probably beating a dead horse. 
>
>It seems to all the proponents of computer industry are giving Win8 a thumbs
>down and they are relentless.
>
>http://www.zdnet.com/five-reasons-why-windows-8-has-failed-7000012104/
>
>My personal feeling is as soon as Microsoft can cut their bleeding and move
>on with another more acceptable product the better it will be for the
>company. I never thought I could ever feel sorry for Microsoft, even
>slightly but I do...I can hardly stand to watch their Windows product lines
>committing slow and an excruciating painful suicide in public. How very far
>the great has fallen. 
>
>OTOH, who knows, maybe if MS sticks to the product long enough or re-markets
>it there just might be a turn around but it will hardly be a rapid event.
>
>Jim 
>


From peter.brawley at earthlink.net  Thu Mar  7 09:16:54 2013
From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley)
Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2013 09:16:54 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Beating a dead horse?
In-Reply-To: <02d301ce1aef$d8d310a0$8a7931e0$@winhaven.net>
References: <002001ce19c5$a61fd9c0$f25f8d40$@comcast.net><B5F7AD51-2143-4556-8F69-1C5584720747@phulse.com><003301ce19d2$8c580b90$a50822b0$@comcast.net>	<151BE793-051A-4704-B01B-358441031751@phulse.com>
	<681549B84F6E4268BED679AAF7A66E63@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<02d301ce1aef$d8d310a0$8a7931e0$@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <5138AF66.5060609@earthlink.net>

On 2013-03-06 10:54 PM, John Bartow wrote:
> Most writers love to hate MS.

They earned it with predatory & monopolistic practices, promiscuous 
architecture &c.

PB

-----

> Windows 9 will the Windows 7 to Windows Vista
> or the Office 2010 to the Office 2007 or the...
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
> Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2013 7:22 PM
> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
> Subject: [dba-Tech] Beating a dead horse?
>
> Yes, we are probably beating a dead horse.
>
> It seems to all the proponents of computer industry are giving Win8 a thumbs
> down and they are relentless.
>
> http://www.zdnet.com/five-reasons-why-windows-8-has-failed-7000012104/
>
> My personal feeling is as soon as Microsoft can cut their bleeding and move
> on with another more acceptable product the better it will be for the
> company. I never thought I could ever feel sorry for Microsoft, even
> slightly but I do...I can hardly stand to watch their Windows product lines
> committing slow and an excruciating painful suicide in public. How very far
> the great has fallen.
>
> OTOH, who knows, maybe if MS sticks to the product long enough or re-markets
> it there just might be a turn around but it will hardly be a rapid event.
>
> Jim
>
> _______________________________________________
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From john at winhaven.net  Thu Mar  7 10:19:05 2013
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2013 10:19:05 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Beating a dead horse?
In-Reply-To: <5138AF66.5060609@earthlink.net>
References: <002001ce19c5$a61fd9c0$f25f8d40$@comcast.net><B5F7AD51-2143-4556-8F69-1C5584720747@phulse.com><003301ce19d2$8c580b90$a50822b0$@comcast.net>	<151BE793-051A-4704-B01B-358441031751@phulse.com>	<681549B84F6E4268BED679AAF7A66E63@creativesystemdesigns.com>	<02d301ce1aef$d8d310a0$8a7931e0$@winhaven.net>
	<5138AF66.5060609@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <00a201ce1b4f$7d30a770$7791f650$@winhaven.net>

Peter,
I don't disagree with you in regards to MS, Oracle, IBM and to that point,
just about every other successful large corporation. They have all left many
desolate in their wake towards success. But then I'm not a journalist.

No one or no company is so evil that a journalist should lose their
objectivity. Every product and service review should stand on its own
merits, above and beyond the company that provides it. The lack of objective
professionalism runs rampant in the so called professional technical
journalist field.

I often wonder what the same person would write if X corporation had
released the product rather than the one they hate.

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Peter Brawley
Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2013 9:17 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Beating a dead horse?

On 2013-03-06 10:54 PM, John Bartow wrote:
> Most writers love to hate MS.

They earned it with predatory & monopolistic practices, promiscuous
architecture &c.

PB

-----

> Windows 9 will the Windows 7 to Windows Vista or the Office 2010 to 
> the Office 2007 or the...
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim 
> Lawrence
> Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2013 7:22 PM
> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
> Subject: [dba-Tech] Beating a dead horse?
>
> Yes, we are probably beating a dead horse.
>
> It seems to all the proponents of computer industry are giving Win8 a 
> thumbs down and they are relentless.
>
> http://www.zdnet.com/five-reasons-why-windows-8-has-failed-7000012104/
>
> My personal feeling is as soon as Microsoft can cut their bleeding and 
> move on with another more acceptable product the better it will be for 
> the company. I never thought I could ever feel sorry for Microsoft, 
> even slightly but I do...I can hardly stand to watch their Windows 
> product lines committing slow and an excruciating painful suicide in 
> public. How very far the great has fallen.
>
> OTOH, who knows, maybe if MS sticks to the product long enough or 
> re-markets it there just might be a turn around but it will hardly be a
rapid event.
>
> Jim
>
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
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From peter.brawley at earthlink.net  Thu Mar  7 11:07:19 2013
From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley)
Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2013 11:07:19 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Beating a dead horse?
In-Reply-To: <00a201ce1b4f$7d30a770$7791f650$@winhaven.net>
References: <002001ce19c5$a61fd9c0$f25f8d40$@comcast.net><B5F7AD51-2143-4556-8F69-1C5584720747@phulse.com><003301ce19d2$8c580b90$a50822b0$@comcast.net>	<151BE793-051A-4704-B01B-358441031751@phulse.com>	<681549B84F6E4268BED679AAF7A66E63@creativesystemdesigns.com>	<02d301ce1aef$d8d310a0$8a7931e0$@winhaven.net>
	<5138AF66.5060609@earthlink.net>
	<00a201ce1b4f$7d30a770$7791f650$@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <5138C947.8060406@earthlink.net>

On 2013-03-07 10:19 AM, John Bartow wrote:
> Peter,
> I don't disagree with you in regards to MS, Oracle, IBM and to that point,
> just about every other successful large corporation. They have all left many
> desolate in their wake towards success. But then I'm not a journalist.
>
> No one or no company is so evil that a journalist should lose their
> objectivity. Every product and service review should stand on its own
> merits, above and beyond the company that provides it. The lack of objective
> professionalism runs rampant in the so called professional technical
> journalist field.

If you think IT journalism generally less professional than, say, 
journalism on climate change, or on economic austerity, or medical 
journalism on pharma products, I'm very surprised.

PB

-----

>
> I often wonder what the same person would write if X corporation had
> released the product rather than the one they hate.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Peter Brawley
> Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2013 9:17 AM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Beating a dead horse?
>
> On 2013-03-06 10:54 PM, John Bartow wrote:
>> Most writers love to hate MS.
> They earned it with predatory & monopolistic practices, promiscuous
> architecture &c.
>
> PB
>
> -----
>
>> Windows 9 will the Windows 7 to Windows Vista or the Office 2010 to
>> the Office 2007 or the...
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim
>> Lawrence
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2013 7:22 PM
>> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
>> Subject: [dba-Tech] Beating a dead horse?
>>
>> Yes, we are probably beating a dead horse.
>>
>> It seems to all the proponents of computer industry are giving Win8 a
>> thumbs down and they are relentless.
>>
>> http://www.zdnet.com/five-reasons-why-windows-8-has-failed-7000012104/
>>
>> My personal feeling is as soon as Microsoft can cut their bleeding and
>> move on with another more acceptable product the better it will be for
>> the company. I never thought I could ever feel sorry for Microsoft,
>> even slightly but I do...I can hardly stand to watch their Windows
>> product lines committing slow and an excruciating painful suicide in
>> public. How very far the great has fallen.
>>
>> OTOH, who knows, maybe if MS sticks to the product long enough or
>> re-markets it there just might be a turn around but it will hardly be a
> rapid event.
>> Jim
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> dba-Tech mailing list
>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
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>>
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Mar  7 12:57:04 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2013 10:57:04 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Beating a dead horse?
In-Reply-To: <26F265E5C7B04EDDAC6206186DD726C2@HAL9007>
References: <002001ce19c5$a61fd9c0$f25f8d40$@comcast.net><B5F7AD51-2143-4556-8F69-1C5584720747@phulse.com><003301ce19d2$8c580b90$a50822b0$@comcast.net><151BE793-051A-4704-B01B-358441031751@phulse.com><681549B84F6E4268BED679AAF7A66E63@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<26F265E5C7B04EDDAC6206186DD726C2@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <B7B5F49C58D548168F6684C3EDB37FB8@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Microsoft is much too big of player to be counted out. 

They are going to have to take a back seat for a while and remake themselves
much like the unstoppable IBM has done. I think they should consider few
options.

1. Maybe they should separate OS versions into various types. depending on
what type of platform and hardware.

2. Maybe concentrate on specific environments like the Cloud.

3. Realize that they can not be all things to all people all at the same
time.

4. Allow third-party OSs and products to integrate better. Change the
attitude that all their competition must lose for them to succeed.

5. Have long-term strategies for specific products rather than build and
dump products on a whim.

6. Work closer with the people that develop their products. Outside
developers built their company and those same developers can dump their
company if they are not being treated right. Look no further than Oracle for
a good example of building Tech loyalty.

7. Lose the attitude that they are number one and deserve to be so. Start
listening more to their supporters or they wouldn't have many.

Picking any option from this list and following through on it will help in
Microsoft's recovery.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2013 5:46 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Beating a dead horse?

Unless it finds a home in the tablet and is favored by the corporate world
who have been in the Microsoft desktop world for 25 years. 

The article seems to say that W8 will fail on the desk/laptop .  Probably.
But reasons 1, 2, 3, 4 all relate to the PC world - a world we know has
declining sales.

But what if over the next few years, people abandon their desk/laptops
because they don't need them.  They need mobility more - communications, web
browsing, the cloud, information.  So they'll be carrying tablets instead of
laptops and netbooks. 

I wouldn't count them out yet.

R


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2013 5:22 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: [dba-Tech] Beating a dead horse?

Yes, we are probably beating a dead horse. 

It seems to all the proponents of computer industry are giving Win8 a thumbs
down and they are relentless.

http://www.zdnet.com/five-reasons-why-windows-8-has-failed-7000012104/

My personal feeling is as soon as Microsoft can cut their bleeding and move
on with another more acceptable product the better it will be for the
company. I never thought I could ever feel sorry for Microsoft, even
slightly but I do...I can hardly stand to watch their Windows product lines
committing slow and an excruciating painful suicide in public. How very far
the great has fallen. 

OTOH, who knows, maybe if MS sticks to the product long enough or re-markets
it there just might be a turn around but it will hardly be a rapid event.

Jim 

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Mar  7 13:02:55 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2013 11:02:55 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Beating a dead horse?
In-Reply-To: <26F265E5C7B04EDDAC6206186DD726C2@HAL9007>
References: <002001ce19c5$a61fd9c0$f25f8d40$@comcast.net><B5F7AD51-2143-4556-8F69-1C5584720747@phulse.com><003301ce19d2$8c580b90$a50822b0$@comcast.net><151BE793-051A-4704-B01B-358441031751@phulse.com><681549B84F6E4268BED679AAF7A66E63@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<26F265E5C7B04EDDAC6206186DD726C2@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <8373F4A5746647ACBBA1FB20E716D1AB@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Bad news comes in clusters and Microsoft has had enough recently to last a
good hundred years. 

Now they have been charged for violation anti-trust regulations...

http://www.economist.com/blogs/schumpeter/2013/03/microsoft

They good news is they got off easy.

Jim


From peter.brawley at earthlink.net  Thu Mar  7 13:21:32 2013
From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley)
Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2013 13:21:32 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Beating a dead horse?
In-Reply-To: <8373F4A5746647ACBBA1FB20E716D1AB@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <002001ce19c5$a61fd9c0$f25f8d40$@comcast.net><B5F7AD51-2143-4556-8F69-1C5584720747@phulse.com><003301ce19d2$8c580b90$a50822b0$@comcast.net><151BE793-051A-4704-B01B-358441031751@phulse.com><681549B84F6E4268BED679AAF7A66E63@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<26F265E5C7B04EDDAC6206186DD726C2@HAL9007>
	<8373F4A5746647ACBBA1FB20E716D1AB@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <5138E8BC.5080603@earthlink.net>

On 2013-03-07 1:02 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote:
> Bad news comes in clusters and Microsoft has had enough recently to last a
> good hundred years.
>
> Now they have been charged for violation anti-trust regulations...
>
> http://www.economist.com/blogs/schumpeter/2013/03/microsoft
>
> They good news is they got off easy.

What's good about that news?

PB

>
> Jim
>
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From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Thu Mar  7 13:27:47 2013
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2013 19:27:47 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Beating a dead horse?
In-Reply-To: <5138E8BC.5080603@earthlink.net>
References: <002001ce19c5$a61fd9c0$f25f8d40$@comcast.net>
	<B5F7AD51-2143-4556-8F69-1C5584720747@phulse.com>
	<003301ce19d2$8c580b90$a50822b0$@comcast.net>
	<151BE793-051A-4704-B01B-358441031751@phulse.com>
	<681549B84F6E4268BED679AAF7A66E63@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<26F265E5C7B04EDDAC6206186DD726C2@HAL9007>
	<8373F4A5746647ACBBA1FB20E716D1AB@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<5138E8BC.5080603@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <AFB3C18A-F881-4990-A024-9E6308022FC4@qub.ac.uk>

Why don't apple get the same. I can't install ie on an ipad

Sent from my iPad

On 7 Mar 2013, at 19:21, "Peter Brawley" <peter.brawley at earthlink.net> wrote:

> On 2013-03-07 1:02 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote:
>> Bad news comes in clusters and Microsoft has had enough recently to last a
>> good hundred years.
>> 
>> Now they have been charged for violation anti-trust regulations...
>> 
>> http://www.economist.com/blogs/schumpeter/2013/03/microsoft
>> 
>> They good news is they got off easy.
> 
> What's good about that news?
> 
> PB
> 
>> 
>> Jim
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
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From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Thu Mar  7 13:30:30 2013
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2013 11:30:30 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Beating a dead horse?
In-Reply-To: <B7B5F49C58D548168F6684C3EDB37FB8@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <002001ce19c5$a61fd9c0$f25f8d40$@comcast.net>
	<B5F7AD51-2143-4556-8F69-1C5584720747@phulse.com>
	<003301ce19d2$8c580b90$a50822b0$@comcast.net>
	<151BE793-051A-4704-B01B-358441031751@phulse.com>
	<681549B84F6E4268BED679AAF7A66E63@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<26F265E5C7B04EDDAC6206186DD726C2@HAL9007>
	<B7B5F49C58D548168F6684C3EDB37FB8@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <7A970B9A-E069-413B-AFCB-717A70C677D9@phulse.com>

They may still be in the race, but they are weak and dangerously close to a knockout punch. The fact we are even talking about this says something.

Like the Roman Empire, Microsoft will not disappear overnight, but they will suffer failure after failure as they have too many fingers in different pies with fierce competitors nipping at their toes and slowly become irrelevant. In my opinion, they already are far down that road.

They need a full corporate culture makeover. What worked for them in the 90's doesn't work anymore. As you said as well, for them to survive, they need to be more focused and be able to swallow their pride by giving up on some things. The market doesn't want a desktop monopoly anymore and it doesn't need one either.

And Ballmer needs to go...

- Hans


On 2013-03-07, at 10:57 AM, "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> Microsoft is much too big of player to be counted out. 
> 
> They are going to have to take a back seat for a while and remake themselves
> much like the unstoppable IBM has done. I think they should consider few
> options.
> 
> 1. Maybe they should separate OS versions into various types. depending on
> what type of platform and hardware.
> 
> 2. Maybe concentrate on specific environments like the Cloud.
> 
> 3. Realize that they can not be all things to all people all at the same
> time.
> 
> 4. Allow third-party OSs and products to integrate better. Change the
> attitude that all their competition must lose for them to succeed.
> 
> 5. Have long-term strategies for specific products rather than build and
> dump products on a whim.
> 
> 6. Work closer with the people that develop their products. Outside
> developers built their company and those same developers can dump their
> company if they are not being treated right. Look no further than Oracle for
> a good example of building Tech loyalty.
> 
> 7. Lose the attitude that they are number one and deserve to be so. Start
> listening more to their supporters or they wouldn't have many.
> 
> Picking any option from this list and following through on it will help in
> Microsoft's recovery.
> 
> Jim
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
> Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2013 5:46 PM
> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Beating a dead horse?
> 
> Unless it finds a home in the tablet and is favored by the corporate world
> who have been in the Microsoft desktop world for 25 years. 
> 
> The article seems to say that W8 will fail on the desk/laptop .  Probably.
> But reasons 1, 2, 3, 4 all relate to the PC world - a world we know has
> declining sales.
> 
> But what if over the next few years, people abandon their desk/laptops
> because they don't need them.  They need mobility more - communications, web
> browsing, the cloud, information.  So they'll be carrying tablets instead of
> laptops and netbooks. 
> 
> I wouldn't count them out yet.
> 
> R
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
> Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2013 5:22 PM
> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
> Subject: [dba-Tech] Beating a dead horse?
> 
> Yes, we are probably beating a dead horse. 
> 
> It seems to all the proponents of computer industry are giving Win8 a thumbs
> down and they are relentless.
> 
> http://www.zdnet.com/five-reasons-why-windows-8-has-failed-7000012104/
> 
> My personal feeling is as soon as Microsoft can cut their bleeding and move
> on with another more acceptable product the better it will be for the
> company. I never thought I could ever feel sorry for Microsoft, even
> slightly but I do...I can hardly stand to watch their Windows product lines
> committing slow and an excruciating painful suicide in public. How very far
> the great has fallen. 
> 
> OTOH, who knows, maybe if MS sticks to the product long enough or re-markets
> it there just might be a turn around but it will hardly be a rapid event.
> 
> Jim 
> 
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From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Thu Mar  7 13:34:36 2013
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2013 11:34:36 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Beating a dead horse?
In-Reply-To: <AFB3C18A-F881-4990-A024-9E6308022FC4@qub.ac.uk>
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Has Microsoft built a version of IE for the iPad?

- Hans


On 2013-03-07, at 11:27 AM, Martin Reid <mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk> wrote:

> Why don't apple get the same. I can't install ie on an ipad
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> On 7 Mar 2013, at 19:21, "Peter Brawley" <peter.brawley at earthlink.net> wrote:
> 
>> On 2013-03-07 1:02 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote:
>>> Bad news comes in clusters and Microsoft has had enough recently to last a
>>> good hundred years.
>>> 
>>> Now they have been charged for violation anti-trust regulations...
>>> 
>>> http://www.economist.com/blogs/schumpeter/2013/03/microsoft
>>> 
>>> They good news is they got off easy.
>> 
>> What's good about that news?
>> 
>> PB
>> 
>>> 
>>> Jim
>>> 
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From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Thu Mar  7 13:36:08 2013
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2013 19:36:08 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Beating a dead horse?
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No idea

Sent from my iPad

On 7 Mar 2013, at 19:35, "Hans-Christian Andersen" <hans.andersen at phulse.com> wrote:

> Has Microsoft built a version of IE for the iPad?
> 
> - Hans
> 
> 
> On 2013-03-07, at 11:27 AM, Martin Reid <mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk> wrote:
> 
>> Why don't apple get the same. I can't install ie on an ipad
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>> On 7 Mar 2013, at 19:21, "Peter Brawley" <peter.brawley at earthlink.net> wrote:
>> 
>>> On 2013-03-07 1:02 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote:
>>>> Bad news comes in clusters and Microsoft has had enough recently to last a
>>>> good hundred years.
>>>> 
>>>> Now they have been charged for violation anti-trust regulations...
>>>> 
>>>> http://www.economist.com/blogs/schumpeter/2013/03/microsoft
>>>> 
>>>> They good news is they got off easy.
>>> 
>>> What's good about that news?
>>> 
>>> PB
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Jim
>>>> 
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>>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
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>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
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From john at winhaven.net  Thu Mar  7 13:47:20 2013
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2013 13:47:20 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Beating a dead horse?
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LOL - I hope I didn't infer that at all! 

I have a very low opinion regarding the professionalism of most
"journalists". 

They used to have an editorial feature in Newspapers. Now you have to dig
deep to find a non-editorial column!

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Peter Brawley
Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2013 11:07 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Beating a dead horse?

On 2013-03-07 10:19 AM, John Bartow wrote:
> Peter,
> I don't disagree with you in regards to MS, Oracle, IBM and to that 
> point, just about every other successful large corporation. They have 
> all left many desolate in their wake towards success. But then I'm not a
journalist.
>
> No one or no company is so evil that a journalist should lose their 
> objectivity. Every product and service review should stand on its own 
> merits, above and beyond the company that provides it. The lack of 
> objective professionalism runs rampant in the so called professional 
> technical journalist field.

If you think IT journalism generally less professional than, say, journalism
on climate change, or on economic austerity, or medical journalism on pharma
products, I'm very surprised.

PB

-----

>
> I often wonder what the same person would write if X corporation had 
> released the product rather than the one they hate.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Peter 
> Brawley
> Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2013 9:17 AM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Beating a dead horse?
>
> On 2013-03-06 10:54 PM, John Bartow wrote:
>> Most writers love to hate MS.
> They earned it with predatory & monopolistic practices, promiscuous 
> architecture &c.
>
> PB
>
> -----
>
>> Windows 9 will the Windows 7 to Windows Vista or the Office 2010 to 
>> the Office 2007 or the...
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim 
>> Lawrence
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2013 7:22 PM
>> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
>> Subject: [dba-Tech] Beating a dead horse?
>>
>> Yes, we are probably beating a dead horse.
>>
>> It seems to all the proponents of computer industry are giving Win8 a 
>> thumbs down and they are relentless.
>>
>> http://www.zdnet.com/five-reasons-why-windows-8-has-failed-7000012104
>> /
>>
>> My personal feeling is as soon as Microsoft can cut their bleeding 
>> and move on with another more acceptable product the better it will 
>> be for the company. I never thought I could ever feel sorry for 
>> Microsoft, even slightly but I do...I can hardly stand to watch their 
>> Windows product lines committing slow and an excruciating painful 
>> suicide in public. How very far the great has fallen.
>>
>> OTOH, who knows, maybe if MS sticks to the product long enough or 
>> re-markets it there just might be a turn around but it will hardly be 
>> a
> rapid event.
>> Jim
>>
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From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Thu Mar  7 13:47:42 2013
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2013 11:47:42 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Beating a dead horse?
In-Reply-To: <61934220-C080-48E0-875D-019986D4B7B7@qub.ac.uk>
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That might be the reason.

- Hans


On 2013-03-07, at 11:36 AM, Martin Reid <mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk> wrote:

> No idea
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> On 7 Mar 2013, at 19:35, "Hans-Christian Andersen" <hans.andersen at phulse.com> wrote:
> 
>> Has Microsoft built a version of IE for the iPad?
>> 
>> - Hans
>> 
>> 
>> On 2013-03-07, at 11:27 AM, Martin Reid <mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk> wrote:
>> 
>>> Why don't apple get the same. I can't install ie on an ipad
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>> 
>>> On 7 Mar 2013, at 19:21, "Peter Brawley" <peter.brawley at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> On 2013-03-07 1:02 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote:
>>>>> Bad news comes in clusters and Microsoft has had enough recently to last a
>>>>> good hundred years.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Now they have been charged for violation anti-trust regulations...
>>>>> 
>>>>> http://www.economist.com/blogs/schumpeter/2013/03/microsoft
>>>>> 
>>>>> They good news is they got off easy.
>>>> 
>>>> What's good about that news?
>>>> 
>>>> PB
>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Jim
>>>>> 
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> dba-Tech mailing list
>>>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>>>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>>>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>>> 
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> dba-Tech mailing list
>>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
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>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Mar  7 13:49:23 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2013 11:49:23 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Has anyone heard of the Maxthon Browser
In-Reply-To: <26F265E5C7B04EDDAC6206186DD726C2@HAL9007>
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Has anyone heard or used the Maxthon Browser?

http://www.maxthon.com/

Jim


From peter.brawley at earthlink.net  Thu Mar  7 13:58:40 2013
From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley)
Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2013 13:58:40 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Beating a dead horse?
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On 2013-03-07 1:30 PM, Hans-Christian Andersen wrote:
> They may still be in the race, but they are weak and dangerously close to a knockout punch. The fact we are even talking about this says something.
>
> Like the Roman Empire, Microsoft will not disappear overnight, but they will suffer failure after failure as they have too many fingers in different pies with fierce competitors nipping at their toes and slowly become irrelevant. In my opinion, they already are far down that road.
>
> They need a full corporate culture makeover. What worked for them in the 90's doesn't work anymore.

Now /that's/ good news.


> As you said as well, for them to survive,

Doesn't matter if they do or don't.

PB

> they need to be more focused and be able to swallow their pride by giving up on some things. The market doesn't want a desktop monopoly anymore and it doesn't need one either.
>
> And Ballmer needs to go...
>
> - Hans
>
>
> On 2013-03-07, at 10:57 AM, "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
>
>> Microsoft is much too big of player to be counted out.
>>
>> They are going to have to take a back seat for a while and remake themselves
>> much like the unstoppable IBM has done. I think they should consider few
>> options.
>>
>> 1. Maybe they should separate OS versions into various types. depending on
>> what type of platform and hardware.
>>
>> 2. Maybe concentrate on specific environments like the Cloud.
>>
>> 3. Realize that they can not be all things to all people all at the same
>> time.
>>
>> 4. Allow third-party OSs and products to integrate better. Change the
>> attitude that all their competition must lose for them to succeed.
>>
>> 5. Have long-term strategies for specific products rather than build and
>> dump products on a whim.
>>
>> 6. Work closer with the people that develop their products. Outside
>> developers built their company and those same developers can dump their
>> company if they are not being treated right. Look no further than Oracle for
>> a good example of building Tech loyalty.
>>
>> 7. Lose the attitude that they are number one and deserve to be so. Start
>> listening more to their supporters or they wouldn't have many.
>>
>> Picking any option from this list and following through on it will help in
>> Microsoft's recovery.
>>
>> Jim
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2013 5:46 PM
>> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
>> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Beating a dead horse?
>>
>> Unless it finds a home in the tablet and is favored by the corporate world
>> who have been in the Microsoft desktop world for 25 years.
>>
>> The article seems to say that W8 will fail on the desk/laptop .  Probably.
>> But reasons 1, 2, 3, 4 all relate to the PC world - a world we know has
>> declining sales.
>>
>> But what if over the next few years, people abandon their desk/laptops
>> because they don't need them.  They need mobility more - communications, web
>> browsing, the cloud, information.  So they'll be carrying tablets instead of
>> laptops and netbooks.
>>
>> I wouldn't count them out yet.
>>
>> R
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2013 5:22 PM
>> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
>> Subject: [dba-Tech] Beating a dead horse?
>>
>> Yes, we are probably beating a dead horse.
>>
>> It seems to all the proponents of computer industry are giving Win8 a thumbs
>> down and they are relentless.
>>
>> http://www.zdnet.com/five-reasons-why-windows-8-has-failed-7000012104/
>>
>> My personal feeling is as soon as Microsoft can cut their bleeding and move
>> on with another more acceptable product the better it will be for the
>> company. I never thought I could ever feel sorry for Microsoft, even
>> slightly but I do...I can hardly stand to watch their Windows product lines
>> committing slow and an excruciating painful suicide in public. How very far
>> the great has fallen.
>>
>> OTOH, who knows, maybe if MS sticks to the product long enough or re-markets
>> it there just might be a turn around but it will hardly be a rapid event.
>>
>> Jim
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> dba-Tech mailing list
>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
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>>
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From peter.brawley at earthlink.net  Thu Mar  7 13:59:47 2013
From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley)
Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2013 13:59:47 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Has anyone heard of the Maxthon Browser
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On 2013-03-07 1:49 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote:
> Has anyone heard or used the Maxthon Browser?
>
> http://www.maxthon.com/

I tried it years ago. I think it was some sort of shell round an IE core.

PB

-----

>
> Jim
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From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Thu Mar  7 15:06:46 2013
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2013 01:06:46 +0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?Beating_a_dead_horse=3F?=
In-Reply-To: <AFB3C18A-F881-4990-A024-9E6308022FC4@qub.ac.uk>
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 Hi Martin --

<<<
Sent from my iPad
>>>

I'm wondering why do you use iPad, not MS Windows Surface? I mean does iPad provides you some apps (excluding games), which you can't find for MS Windows Surface or just an MS Windows netbook/laptop? Is it your employer who is pushing iPads to be used there or ...?

Thank you.

-- Shmail



???????,  7 ????? 2013, 19:27 UTC ?? Martin Reid <mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk>:
>Why don't apple get the same. I can't install ie on an ipad
>
>Sent from my iPad
>
>On 7 Mar 2013, at 19:21, "Peter Brawley" < peter.brawley at earthlink.net > wrote:
>
>> On 2013-03-07 1:02 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote:
>>> Bad news comes in clusters and Microsoft has had enough recently to last a
>>> good hundred years.
>>> 
>>> Now they have been charged for violation anti-trust regulations...
>>> 
>>>  http://www.economist.com/blogs/schumpeter/2013/03/microsoft
>>> 
>>> They good news is they got off easy.
>> 
>> What's good about that news?
>> 
>> PB
>> 
>>> 
>>> Jim

From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Mar  7 18:38:57 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2013 16:38:57 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Your own personal Cloud
In-Reply-To: <26F265E5C7B04EDDAC6206186DD726C2@HAL9007>
References: <002001ce19c5$a61fd9c0$f25f8d40$@comcast.net><B5F7AD51-2143-4556-8F69-1C5584720747@phulse.com><003301ce19d2$8c580b90$a50822b0$@comcast.net><151BE793-051A-4704-B01B-358441031751@phulse.com><681549B84F6E4268BED679AAF7A66E63@creativesystemdesigns.com>
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Message-ID: <962847D48C914EE6A0ECBA4B0932E22A@creativesystemdesigns.com>

If you are on a budget, have your own business, intranet, want to have a
secure and reliable Cloud (and that doesn't necessarily mean being
financially tied Amazon, Microsoft and others, never knowing if your backups
have been done or the site is being maintained) 

So why not build your own for family, friends and/or business. Here is a
very viable option that you can design on your own equipment:  

https://owncloud.org/

Check out the features and the control you will have. :-)

And why not install it on your Debian/Ubuntu servers/stations:

http://smashingweb.info/owncloud-4-released-install-owncloud-on-ubuntu-12-04
/

Terminal alert: You are going to have to key in a few lines on the terminal
(command line interface) But Alt-Ctrl-T, cut and paste from the web site
should be as hard as it gets. 

Note you will need Apache, MySQL and PHP5 for the base setup. Though the
install from the website might be very straight forward it might be best to
take no chances and previously install the latest greatest versions of the
pre-requisites:

sudo apt-get install taskel
sudo taskel install lamp-server
sudo apt-get install php5-curl
sudo apt-get install php5-gd

Now you are good to start with the suggested installation method and if you
are using the Ubuntu 12.04 Linux.

Oh yes and most important. You have clients for Windows and Mac as well as
Linux...and for the cherry on the cake...the clients runs on all your
mobiles too.

Jim   


From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Thu Mar  7 18:48:19 2013
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2013 16:48:19 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Your own personal Cloud
In-Reply-To: <962847D48C914EE6A0ECBA4B0932E22A@creativesystemdesigns.com>
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	<B5F7AD51-2143-4556-8F69-1C5584720747@phulse.com>
	<003301ce19d2$8c580b90$a50822b0$@comcast.net>
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	<681549B84F6E4268BED679AAF7A66E63@creativesystemdesigns.com>
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	<962847D48C914EE6A0ECBA4B0932E22A@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <674FCBCA-1ADE-43C6-BC51-B8FE9BB47847@phulse.com>

Looks like owncloud has progressed a bit since last i checked. I'll try it out on a vm and, if its stable, might throw it on my server. I'm otherwise quite content with my pogoplug though.

- Hans


On 2013-03-07, at 4:38 PM, "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> If you are on a budget, have your own business, intranet, want to have a
> secure and reliable Cloud (and that doesn't necessarily mean being
> financially tied Amazon, Microsoft and others, never knowing if your backups
> have been done or the site is being maintained) 
> 
> So why not build your own for family, friends and/or business. Here is a
> very viable option that you can design on your own equipment:  
> 
> https://owncloud.org/
> 
> Check out the features and the control you will have. :-)
> 
> And why not install it on your Debian/Ubuntu servers/stations:
> 
> http://smashingweb.info/owncloud-4-released-install-owncloud-on-ubuntu-12-04
> /
> 
> Terminal alert: You are going to have to key in a few lines on the terminal
> (command line interface) But Alt-Ctrl-T, cut and paste from the web site
> should be as hard as it gets. 
> 
> Note you will need Apache, MySQL and PHP5 for the base setup. Though the
> install from the website might be very straight forward it might be best to
> take no chances and previously install the latest greatest versions of the
> pre-requisites:
> 
> sudo apt-get install taskel
> sudo taskel install lamp-server
> sudo apt-get install php5-curl
> sudo apt-get install php5-gd
> 
> Now you are good to start with the suggested installation method and if you
> are using the Ubuntu 12.04 Linux.
> 
> Oh yes and most important. You have clients for Windows and Mac as well as
> Linux...and for the cherry on the cake...the clients runs on all your
> mobiles too.
> 
> Jim   
> 
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com


From gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Mar  8 03:35:56 2013
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2013 10:35:56 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Beating a dead horse?
Message-ID: <007401ce1be0$5626ca10$02745e30$@cactus.dk>

Hi Martin

The original reason is that Microsoft is dominating the desktop market which
Apple isn't. 

However, the actual reason for the size of the bill, is that Microsoft knew
about this (not offering the PC user a non-biased choice between different
browsers during install of Windows) as they have been fined before and had
agreed not to do it again. Thus, the bill is also to tell other corporations
that violating such agreement is a very serious matter and in this regard
the EU has no soft feelings. Free and open competition is one of the core
values of the EU and you shall not challenge this.

/gustav


-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Martin Reid
Sendt: 7. marts 2013 20:28
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Beating a dead horse?

Why don't apple get the same. I can't install ie on an ipad

Sent from my iPad

> On 2013-03-07 1:02 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote:

>> Now they have been charged for violation anti-trust regulations...



From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Fri Mar  8 03:51:35 2013
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2013 01:51:35 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Beating a dead horse?
In-Reply-To: <007401ce1be0$5626ca10$02745e30$@cactus.dk>
References: <007401ce1be0$5626ca10$02745e30$@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <24BB4E3A-3A87-477E-BF3B-55A11E2FA917@phulse.com>

A little bit like being under a restraining order, it seems.

Best regards,
Hans-Christian Andersen


On 8 Mar 2013, at 01:35, "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Hi Martin
> 
> The original reason is that Microsoft is dominating the desktop market which
> Apple isn't. 
> 
> However, the actual reason for the size of the bill, is that Microsoft knew
> about this (not offering the PC user a non-biased choice between different
> browsers during install of Windows) as they have been fined before and had
> agreed not to do it again. Thus, the bill is also to tell other corporations
> that violating such agreement is a very serious matter and in this regard
> the EU has no soft feelings. Free and open competition is one of the core
> values of the EU and you shall not challenge this.
> 
> /gustav
> 
> 
> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Martin Reid
> Sendt: 7. marts 2013 20:28
> Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Beating a dead horse?
> 
> Why don't apple get the same. I can't install ie on an ipad
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On 2013-03-07 1:02 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote:
> 
>>> Now they have been charged for violation anti-trust regulations...
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com


From marklbreen at gmail.com  Fri Mar  8 04:06:46 2013
From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen)
Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2013 10:06:46 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Your own personal Cloud
In-Reply-To: <674FCBCA-1ADE-43C6-BC51-B8FE9BB47847@phulse.com>
References: <002001ce19c5$a61fd9c0$f25f8d40$@comcast.net>
	<B5F7AD51-2143-4556-8F69-1C5584720747@phulse.com>
	<003301ce19d2$8c580b90$a50822b0$@comcast.net>
	<151BE793-051A-4704-B01B-358441031751@phulse.com>
	<681549B84F6E4268BED679AAF7A66E63@creativesystemdesigns.com>
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	<674FCBCA-1ADE-43C6-BC51-B8FE9BB47847@phulse.com>
Message-ID: <CAGXtTChmAdm_+D6-YVkX-aN48Nw3ks+FvgZMS_aWO7C8rQaFyg@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Hans,

On the basis that 1) you have to drag and drop and 2) you cannot drag
folders, what do you use Pogoplug for ?




On 8 March 2013 00:48, Hans-Christian Andersen <hans.andersen at phulse.com>wrote:

> Looks like owncloud has progressed a bit since last i checked. I'll try it
> out on a vm and, if its stable, might throw it on my server. I'm otherwise
> quite content with my pogoplug though.
>
> - Hans
>
>
> On 2013-03-07, at 4:38 PM, "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
>
> > If you are on a budget, have your own business, intranet, want to have a
> > secure and reliable Cloud (and that doesn't necessarily mean being
> > financially tied Amazon, Microsoft and others, never knowing if your
> backups
> > have been done or the site is being maintained)
> >
> > So why not build your own for family, friends and/or business. Here is a
> > very viable option that you can design on your own equipment:
> >
> > https://owncloud.org/
> >
> > Check out the features and the control you will have. :-)
> >
> > And why not install it on your Debian/Ubuntu servers/stations:
> >
> >
> http://smashingweb.info/owncloud-4-released-install-owncloud-on-ubuntu-12-04
> > /
> >
> > Terminal alert: You are going to have to key in a few lines on the
> terminal
> > (command line interface) But Alt-Ctrl-T, cut and paste from the web site
> > should be as hard as it gets.
> >
> > Note you will need Apache, MySQL and PHP5 for the base setup. Though the
> > install from the website might be very straight forward it might be best
> to
> > take no chances and previously install the latest greatest versions of
> the
> > pre-requisites:
> >
> > sudo apt-get install taskel
> > sudo taskel install lamp-server
> > sudo apt-get install php5-curl
> > sudo apt-get install php5-gd
> >
> > Now you are good to start with the suggested installation method and if
> you
> > are using the Ubuntu 12.04 Linux.
> >
> > Oh yes and most important. You have clients for Windows and Mac as well
> as
> > Linux...and for the cherry on the cake...the clients runs on all your
> > mobiles too.
> >
> > Jim
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > dba-Tech mailing list
> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>

From gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Mar  8 04:34:14 2013
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2013 11:34:14 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Beating a dead horse?
Message-ID: <007c01ce1be8$7ad4c490$707e4db0$@cactus.dk>

Hi Jim

It appears that you are - ahem - not fully updated on this ...

1. Check
  Windows Server 2012 for servers
  Windows 8 for desktops and laptops and Intel pads
  Windows 8 RT for non-Intel pads
  Windows Phone 8 for smart phones

2. Check
  Nearly everything MS is doing these days is related to the cloud and all
products evolve with a focus on the cloud.
  Azure
  Office 365
  Skydrive
  Skype
  Office 2013 operates directly on files in the cloud
  Windows Phone Office ditto
  Windows 8 installs (if you wish) at once with a Live account to Skydrive
  Visual Studio lets you deploy to the cloud (Azure) "just like that"

3. Bad idea
  Why should they? If you are open-minded and don't have specific
preferences, MS can service any computer/phone user.

4. Well ...
  This will always be a balance between competition and cooperation
  Office for Mac 2011 exists
  Office 365 is (planned) available for several platforms
  Hyper-V Server will host VMs with any OS running on Intel
  Skydrive is (planned) available for several platforms
  Skype is available for most platforms

5. Check
  That strategy is cooperation and common design.
  The Metro interface will run on anything from phones and dedicated
appliances to TV sets and intelligent white-boards
  Information (files, messages, etc.) will be shareable between all
platforms.

6. I don't quite understand what you mean here and I have zero experience
with Oracle.
  However, Visual Studio is a superior product and, for that reason, has a
huge and loyal user base.

7. Check
  Ignoring for a moment that MS is number one in several areas, MS do
listen.
  As a registered Microsoft partner taking advantage of the MAPS, we once a
year receive an extensive questionnaire about all parts of our relations
with MS. 
  Later the result of this is partly commented and, from this and later, I
can see that they (our local Microsoft corporation) really try to improve. 
  The major point where nothing improves is licensing but that's another
story.
  Whenever I've attended a Microsoft meeting for developers, the attitude
has been very much to receive feedback - I've just never met a "we alone
know" kind of attitude.

/gustav


-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Jim Lawrence
Sendt: 7. marts 2013 19:57
Til: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Beating a dead horse?

Microsoft is much too big of player to be counted out. 

They are going to have to take a back seat for a while and remake themselves
much like the unstoppable IBM has done. I think they should consider few
options.

1. Maybe they should separate OS versions into various types. depending on
what type of platform and hardware.

2. Maybe concentrate on specific environments like the Cloud.

3. Realize that they can not be all things to all people all at the same
time.

4. Allow third-party OSs and products to integrate better. Change the
attitude that all their competition must lose for them to succeed.

5. Have long-term strategies for specific products rather than build and
dump products on a whim.

6. Work closer with the people that develop their products. Outside
developers built their company and those same developers can dump their
company if they are not being treated right. Look no further than Oracle for
a good example of building Tech loyalty.

7. Lose the attitude that they are number one and deserve to be so. Start
listening more to their supporters or they wouldn't have many.

Picking any option from this list and following through on it will help in
Microsoft's recovery.

Jim 



From df.waters at comcast.net  Fri Mar  8 08:51:08 2013
From: df.waters at comcast.net (Dan Waters)
Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2013 08:51:08 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] A Better Keyboard?
Message-ID: <002201ce1c0c$5eabdd70$1c039850$@comcast.net>

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6682/first-impressions-the-teck-ergonomic-mech
anical-keyboard

 

This device has had a lot of thought put into it.  It's $60 at Tiger Direct.

 

 

Thanks!

Dan Waters  

 


From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Fri Mar  8 08:57:13 2013
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2013 09:57:13 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 8 virtual keyboard
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1jpn96XTJhE8Yuzu1qnHyE21cpPMNs6YN9Qyqi9cpMpLg@mail.gmail.com>

Quick question. How does one evoke the virtual keyboard in Windows 8? My
friend has a nice Dell laptop bought recently and something's gone awry
with the "G" key. While monkeying around with it, I happened to invoke the
virtual keyboard and found that all the keys worked correctly there. But I
didn't figure out how to invoke the Virtual Keyboard. The machine is still
under warranty so this workaround will only be needed temporarily. Anyone
know?

TIA,

Arthur

From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Fri Mar  8 09:16:31 2013
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2013 07:16:31 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Your own personal Cloud
In-Reply-To: <CAGXtTChmAdm_+D6-YVkX-aN48Nw3ks+FvgZMS_aWO7C8rQaFyg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <002001ce19c5$a61fd9c0$f25f8d40$@comcast.net>
	<B5F7AD51-2143-4556-8F69-1C5584720747@phulse.com>
	<003301ce19d2$8c580b90$a50822b0$@comcast.net>
	<151BE793-051A-4704-B01B-358441031751@phulse.com>
	<681549B84F6E4268BED679AAF7A66E63@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<26F265E5C7B04EDDAC6206186DD726C2@HAL9007>
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Message-ID: <C797ED50-7FA4-40C2-99E0-F8A43E88B73B@phulse.com>

Hi Mark,

My pogoplug mounts its drive like an ordinary local drive. I use it for 3 reasons primarily:

1. File storage in a shared location. I can now access these files from any machine any where in the world.

2 File sharing. Need to send a very big file to someone or a photo album? You can just share it directly from the pogoplug in terms of a web link. It's also easy to manage what things you've shared.

3. DNLA. The pogoplug device supports dnla, so it appears as a media server on the network and so your media box, like my playstation3 picks up its presence and let's me stream movies, pictures and music from it.

- Hans


On 2013-03-08, at 2:06 AM, Mark Breen <marklbreen at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello Hans,
> 
> On the basis that 1) you have to drag and drop and 2) you cannot drag
> folders, what do you use Pogoplug for ?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 8 March 2013 00:48, Hans-Christian Andersen <hans.andersen at phulse.com>wrote:
> 
>> Looks like owncloud has progressed a bit since last i checked. I'll try it
>> out on a vm and, if its stable, might throw it on my server. I'm otherwise
>> quite content with my pogoplug though.
>> 
>> - Hans
>> 
>> 
>> On 2013-03-07, at 4:38 PM, "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
>> 
>>> If you are on a budget, have your own business, intranet, want to have a
>>> secure and reliable Cloud (and that doesn't necessarily mean being
>>> financially tied Amazon, Microsoft and others, never knowing if your
>> backups
>>> have been done or the site is being maintained)
>>> 
>>> So why not build your own for family, friends and/or business. Here is a
>>> very viable option that you can design on your own equipment:
>>> 
>>> https://owncloud.org/
>>> 
>>> Check out the features and the control you will have. :-)
>>> 
>>> And why not install it on your Debian/Ubuntu servers/stations:
>> http://smashingweb.info/owncloud-4-released-install-owncloud-on-ubuntu-12-04
>>> /
>>> 
>>> Terminal alert: You are going to have to key in a few lines on the
>> terminal
>>> (command line interface) But Alt-Ctrl-T, cut and paste from the web site
>>> should be as hard as it gets.
>>> 
>>> Note you will need Apache, MySQL and PHP5 for the base setup. Though the
>>> install from the website might be very straight forward it might be best
>> to
>>> take no chances and previously install the latest greatest versions of
>> the
>>> pre-requisites:
>>> 
>>> sudo apt-get install taskel
>>> sudo taskel install lamp-server
>>> sudo apt-get install php5-curl
>>> sudo apt-get install php5-gd
>>> 
>>> Now you are good to start with the suggested installation method and if
>> you
>>> are using the Ubuntu 12.04 Linux.
>>> 
>>> Oh yes and most important. You have clients for Windows and Mac as well
>> as
>>> Linux...and for the cherry on the cake...the clients runs on all your
>>> mobiles too.
>>> 
>>> Jim
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> dba-Tech mailing list
>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> dba-Tech mailing list
>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> _______________________________________________
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Mar  8 13:29:21 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2013 11:29:21 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Beating a dead horse?
In-Reply-To: <007c01ce1be8$7ad4c490$707e4db0$@cactus.dk>
References: <007c01ce1be8$7ad4c490$707e4db0$@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <54C1B9C19A90400D85F5DB00AB3849CC@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Inline:

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Friday, March 08, 2013 2:34 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Beating a dead horse?

Hi Jim

It appears that you are - ahem - not fully updated on this ...

1. Check
  Windows Server 2012 for servers
  Windows 8 for desktops and laptops and Intel pads
  Windows 8 RT for non-Intel pads
  Windows Phone 8 for smart phones
*** The major problem is Windows 8 for desktop and laptop and devices with
touch screen. That one product does not comfortably fit all of the
environments it supposedly designed for. Clients just are not buying because
of that. Aside: Latest Linux kernel (3.7) supports both Intel and Arm so no
change in product coding necessary...all done with a smaller kernel.   

2. Check
  Nearly everything MS is doing these days is related to the cloud and all
products evolve with a focus on the cloud.
  Azure
  Office 365
  Skydrive
  Skype
  Office 2013 operates directly on files in the cloud
  Windows Phone Office ditto
  Windows 8 installs (if you wish) at once with a Live account to Skydrive
  Visual Studio lets you deploy to the cloud (Azure) "just like that"
*** Yes, they are putting many resources to the Cloud and one day their
products may connect to all platforms...

3. Bad idea
  Why should they? If you are open-minded and don't have specific
preferences, MS can service any computer/phone user.
*** ...and to many other. Trying to make one platform to run on everything
is not working well for them, is it? Check the sales numbers.
  
4. Well ...
  This will always be a balance between competition and cooperation
  Office for Mac 2011 exists 
*** MS was forced to through the government with the threat of enacting the
Combines act. Did the MAC Office ever run MS Access?
  Office 365 is (planned) available for several platforms 
*** Finally started competing with Google. 
  Hyper-V Server will host VMs with any OS running on Intel. 
*** That is about time.
  Skydrive is (planned) available for several platforms. 
*** I am waiting. Most Cloud products have had this for years.
  Skype is available for most platforms 
*** And they bought it from which company to have access to Skype(?) ...and
we are still waiting.
*** Anything that runs on a browser is instantly on all platforms. Until
IE10.x (I have not checked it out yet) that was not possible. Maybe they are
learning their lessons but it has taken a surprising long time and so far it
has only been half-hearted. Good intensions are wonderful and they should be
encouraged. 

5. Check
  That strategy is cooperation and common design.
  The Metro interface will run on anything from phones and dedicated
appliances to TV sets and intelligent white-boards
  Information (files, messages, etc.) will be shareable between all
platforms.
*** Are we talking Linux or Windows? Linux runs on my stove, dishwasher and
television...maybe the car and refrigerator(?)...as well as all the
computers, phones etc. It wasn't until the ECM said, "Microsoft must support
standard protocols or will not be selling here" that better integration
started. Basically they were dragged kicking and screaming... Now
Linux/Apple has no problem connecting to a Windows network.
   
6. I don't quite understand what you mean here and I have zero experience
with Oracle.
  However, Visual Studio is a superior product and, for that reason, has a
huge and loyal user base.
*** First of all Oracle is a data storage company that runs on all
platforms. All certified techs (those that have written and passed their
exams) that work with Oracle have unlimited tech support (24 hour senior
tech call center) and access to all their products. If any other company
approaches Oracle they re-direct the call to an Oracle certified support
company or tech.
*** MS loyalty? They would dump a major product line in a second and with no
developer's input or consultation; case in point: MS Access.  

7. Check
  Ignoring for a moment that MS is number one in several areas, MS do
listen.
  As a registered Microsoft partner taking advantage of the MAPS, we once a
year receive an extensive questionnaire about all parts of our relations
with MS. 
  Later the result of this is partly commented and, from this and later, I
can see that they (our local Microsoft corporation) really try to improve.
*** Trust takes a long while to earn. It is one thing to ask the questions
but it is quite another to act on them. 
*** In the last few years Microsoft has demonstrated a reluctance to listen
and as a result have lost a major portion of their developer and tech
support base. The tech and support base are really the people that sell and
maintain their products. In recent polls, users trust levels have dropped to
47 percent and tech/support trust level is less than 25 percent. Considering
that their trust levels use to be in the nineties, it is a dramatic change.

 
  The major point where nothing improves is licensing but that's another
story.
  Whenever I've attended a Microsoft meeting for developers, the attitude
has been very much to receive feedback - I've just never met a "we alone
know" kind of attitude.
*** Case in point; every developer working with MS Access asked for a host
of features, for over ten years, which would have made the product a
database power house with a very long future. We both know the results of
those efforts. 

*** But enough said as there is no point in beating a dead-horse. ;-)

/gustav and Jim


From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Mar  8 13:40:21 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2013 11:40:21 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Beating a dead horse?
In-Reply-To: <26F265E5C7B04EDDAC6206186DD726C2@HAL9007>
References: <002001ce19c5$a61fd9c0$f25f8d40$@comcast.net><B5F7AD51-2143-4556-8F69-1C5584720747@phulse.com><003301ce19d2$8c580b90$a50822b0$@comcast.net><151BE793-051A-4704-B01B-358441031751@phulse.com><681549B84F6E4268BED679AAF7A66E63@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<26F265E5C7B04EDDAC6206186DD726C2@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <1B028A1BC70744A5B1620D791F9BEE39@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Hi Rocky:

People (content providers) will always need laptops or we can loosely
describe them as tablets with keyboards. True tablets are a whole other
category designed specifically for users (content consumers).

MS has tried to combine both and rather unsuccessfully. I do not think any
one could created a good solid working pickup truck and make performance
sport car out of it as well...it really boggles the imagination.
 
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2013 5:46 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Beating a dead horse?

Unless it finds a home in the tablet and is favored by the corporate world
who have been in the Microsoft desktop world for 25 years. 

The article seems to say that W8 will fail on the desk/laptop .  Probably.
But reasons 1, 2, 3, 4 all relate to the PC world - a world we know has
declining sales.

But what if over the next few years, people abandon their desk/laptops
because they don't need them.  They need mobility more - communications, web
browsing, the cloud, information.  So they'll be carrying tablets instead of
laptops and netbooks. 

I wouldn't count them out yet.

R


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2013 5:22 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: [dba-Tech] Beating a dead horse?

Yes, we are probably beating a dead horse. 

It seems to all the proponents of computer industry are giving Win8 a thumbs
down and they are relentless.

http://www.zdnet.com/five-reasons-why-windows-8-has-failed-7000012104/

My personal feeling is as soon as Microsoft can cut their bleeding and move
on with another more acceptable product the better it will be for the
company. I never thought I could ever feel sorry for Microsoft, even
slightly but I do...I can hardly stand to watch their Windows product lines
committing slow and an excruciating painful suicide in public. How very far
the great has fallen. 

OTOH, who knows, maybe if MS sticks to the product long enough or re-markets
it there just might be a turn around but it will hardly be a rapid event.

Jim 

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Mar  8 13:41:59 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2013 11:41:59 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Beating a dead horse?
In-Reply-To: <24BB4E3A-3A87-477E-BF3B-55A11E2FA917@phulse.com>
References: <007401ce1be0$5626ca10$02745e30$@cactus.dk>
	<24BB4E3A-3A87-477E-BF3B-55A11E2FA917@phulse.com>
Message-ID: <6C62C6708AD74F79AD9A551385DD24AA@creativesystemdesigns.com>

For beating up their customers?

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hans-Christian
Andersen
Sent: Friday, March 08, 2013 1:52 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Beating a dead horse?

A little bit like being under a restraining order, it seems.

Best regards,
Hans-Christian Andersen


On 8 Mar 2013, at 01:35, "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Hi Martin
> 
> The original reason is that Microsoft is dominating the desktop market
which
> Apple isn't. 
> 
> However, the actual reason for the size of the bill, is that Microsoft
knew
> about this (not offering the PC user a non-biased choice between different
> browsers during install of Windows) as they have been fined before and had
> agreed not to do it again. Thus, the bill is also to tell other
corporations
> that violating such agreement is a very serious matter and in this regard
> the EU has no soft feelings. Free and open competition is one of the core
> values of the EU and you shall not challenge this.
> 
> /gustav
> 
> 
> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Martin Reid
> Sendt: 7. marts 2013 20:28
> Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Beating a dead horse?
> 
> Why don't apple get the same. I can't install ie on an ipad
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On 2013-03-07 1:02 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote:
> 
>>> Now they have been charged for violation anti-trust regulations...
> 
> 
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From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Fri Mar  8 14:32:54 2013
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2013 12:32:54 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Beating a dead horse?
In-Reply-To: <6C62C6708AD74F79AD9A551385DD24AA@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <007401ce1be0$5626ca10$02745e30$@cactus.dk>
	<24BB4E3A-3A87-477E-BF3B-55A11E2FA917@phulse.com>
	<6C62C6708AD74F79AD9A551385DD24AA@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <28199FAA-F8B9-41E3-8977-84FCCD4928BC@phulse.com>

Both customers and competitors. Hence why they were landed with anti-trust issues to begin with.

I tend to find that most people don't understand how anti-trust laws work and why they exist and, therefore, misunderstand the whole point as to why Microsoft has been facing these legal challenges.

- Hans


On 2013-03-08, at 11:41 AM, "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> For beating up their customers?
> 
> Jim
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hans-Christian
> Andersen
> Sent: Friday, March 08, 2013 1:52 AM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Beating a dead horse?
> 
> A little bit like being under a restraining order, it seems.
> 
> Best regards,
> Hans-Christian Andersen
> 
> 
> On 8 Mar 2013, at 01:35, "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
> 
>> Hi Martin
>> 
>> The original reason is that Microsoft is dominating the desktop market
> which
>> Apple isn't. 
>> 
>> However, the actual reason for the size of the bill, is that Microsoft
> knew
>> about this (not offering the PC user a non-biased choice between different
>> browsers during install of Windows) as they have been fined before and had
>> agreed not to do it again. Thus, the bill is also to tell other
> corporations
>> that violating such agreement is a very serious matter and in this regard
>> the EU has no soft feelings. Free and open competition is one of the core
>> values of the EU and you shall not challenge this.
>> 
>> /gustav
>> 
>> 
>> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
>> Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Martin Reid
>> Sendt: 7. marts 2013 20:28
>> Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>> Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Beating a dead horse?
>> 
>> Why don't apple get the same. I can't install ie on an ipad
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>> On 2013-03-07 1:02 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote:
>> 
>>>> Now they have been charged for violation anti-trust regulations...
>> 
>> 
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From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Fri Mar  8 14:35:27 2013
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2013 15:35:27 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 8 virtual keyboard
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1jpn96XTJhE8Yuzu1qnHyE21cpPMNs6YN9Qyqi9cpMpLg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1jpn96XTJhE8Yuzu1qnHyE21cpPMNs6YN9Qyqi9cpMpLg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <513A4B8F.50908@torchlake.com>

Hi Arthur,

Here's what I think I found:
Right-click the taskbar > Toolbars > Touch keyboard

Hope this helps,
T

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
231-322-2787

On 3/8/2013 9:57 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote:
> Quick question. How does one evoke the virtual keyboard in Windows 8? My
> friend has a nice Dell laptop bought recently and something's gone awry
> with the "G" key. While monkeying around with it, I happened to invoke the
> virtual keyboard and found that all the keys worked correctly there. But I
> didn't figure out how to invoke the Virtual Keyboard. The machine is still
> under warranty so this workaround will only be needed temporarily. Anyone
> know?
>
> TIA,
>
> Arthur
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Fri Mar  8 14:48:48 2013
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sat, 09 Mar 2013 06:48:48 +1000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 8 virtual keyboard
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1jpn96XTJhE8Yuzu1qnHyE21cpPMNs6YN9Qyqi9cpMpLg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1jpn96XTJhE8Yuzu1qnHyE21cpPMNs6YN9Qyqi9cpMpLg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <513A4EB0.16853.9472C2AE@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

http://www.softwareok.com/?seite=faq-Windows-8&faq=19

On 8 Mar 2013 at 9:57, Arthur Fuller wrote:

> Quick question. How does one evoke the virtual keyboard in Windows 8? My
> friend has a nice Dell laptop bought recently and something's gone awry
> with the "G" key. While monkeying around with it, I happened to invoke the
> virtual keyboard and found that all the keys worked correctly there. But I
> didn't figure out how to invoke the Virtual Keyboard. The machine is still
> under warranty so this workaround will only be needed temporarily. Anyone
> know?
> 
> TIA,
> 
> Arthur
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Fri Mar  8 16:46:03 2013
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2013 17:46:03 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 8 virtual keyboard
In-Reply-To: <513A4EB0.16853.9472C2AE@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <CAEPJO1jpn96XTJhE8Yuzu1qnHyE21cpPMNs6YN9Qyqi9cpMpLg@mail.gmail.com>
	<513A4EB0.16853.9472C2AE@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1giqHwbyOQ19v_uDT8Ns=7HKJZ1_MBMAVo-OSBSzynB4w@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks to both of you. My friend will be very happy.

Arthur


From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Fri Mar  8 17:04:29 2013
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2013 18:04:29 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] A Better Keyboard?
In-Reply-To: <002201ce1c0c$5eabdd70$1c039850$@comcast.net>
References: <002201ce1c0c$5eabdd70$1c039850$@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1gKAEd01Rfu9+vtSbd+VqkjEimpO6KYZy30Kmm-H7kYxQ@mail.gmail.com>

Dan,

I took a look and it looks interesting, but where is the numeric keypad?
Now that I've finally adapted to using it, I'd hate to lose it.

Arthur


From df.waters at comcast.net  Fri Mar  8 17:28:58 2013
From: df.waters at comcast.net (Dan Waters)
Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2013 17:28:58 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] A Better Keyboard?
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1gKAEd01Rfu9+vtSbd+VqkjEimpO6KYZy30Kmm-H7kYxQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <002201ce1c0c$5eabdd70$1c039850$@comcast.net>
	<CAEPJO1gKAEd01Rfu9+vtSbd+VqkjEimpO6KYZy30Kmm-H7kYxQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <008901ce1c54$b5df8b80$219ea280$@comcast.net>

They decided not to have one.  That's good for me - I never did use it and
I'd like to be able to get my mouse closer to the keyboard.

Dan5

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Friday, March 08, 2013 5:04 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] A Better Keyboard?

Dan,

I took a look and it looks interesting, but where is the numeric keypad?
Now that I've finally adapted to using it, I'd hate to lose it.

Arthur

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From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Fri Mar  8 17:39:23 2013
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Sat, 09 Mar 2013 03:39:23 +0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?A_Better_Keyboard=3F?=
References: <002201ce1c0c$5eabdd70$1c039850$@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <1362785963.860433373@f331.mail.ru>

 Hi Arthur --

On bottom right side there is an [Options] button - click/push it and then select 'Turn On Numeric Keypad' menu entry.

-- Shamil

???????,  8 ????? 2013, 18:04 -05:00 ?? Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com>:
>Dan,
>
>I took a look and it looks interesting, but where is the numeric keypad?
>Now that I've finally adapted to using it, I'd hate to lose it.
>
>Arthur
>
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Mar  8 18:27:18 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2013 16:27:18 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] A Better Keyboard?
In-Reply-To: <008901ce1c54$b5df8b80$219ea280$@comcast.net>
References: <002201ce1c0c$5eabdd70$1c039850$@comcast.net><CAEPJO1gKAEd01Rfu9+vtSbd+VqkjEimpO6KYZy30Kmm-H7kYxQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<008901ce1c54$b5df8b80$219ea280$@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <E95058FB4C424F77801565E07C9D98F8@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Only accountants need a numeric keypad and not us developers as we rarely
concern ourselves with the costs of new equipment...unless forced. ;-)

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Friday, March 08, 2013 3:29 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] A Better Keyboard?

They decided not to have one.  That's good for me - I never did use it and
I'd like to be able to get my mouse closer to the keyboard.

Dan5

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Friday, March 08, 2013 5:04 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] A Better Keyboard?

Dan,

I took a look and it looks interesting, but where is the numeric keypad?
Now that I've finally adapted to using it, I'd hate to lose it.

Arthur

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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Fri Mar  8 22:15:04 2013
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2013 23:15:04 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Curious question
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1gSi=ntW9xAeF5KThktYrrOmP0=FXMPCcnCyReeQw_Orw@mail.gmail.com>

I'm just curious. How do backup programs get access to files that are in
use? You might have anything running, a database server, etc. So how do
they deal with that?

TIA,
-- 
Arthur
Cell: 647.710.1314

Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
  -- Niels Bohr

From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Mar  8 23:28:11 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2013 21:28:11 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Curious question
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1gSi=ntW9xAeF5KThktYrrOmP0=FXMPCcnCyReeQw_Orw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1gSi=ntW9xAeF5KThktYrrOmP0=FXMPCcnCyReeQw_Orw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7CCB7CBEBCB742E892C3369A372CF42A@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Hi Arthur:

If you have "shadow copy" turned on for the specific drive then you can
backup all files regardless of how they are being used. 

Explorer > Drive > right-mouse-click > properties > shadow copies tab and it
will show you whether your drive's shadow copy is enabled or not. If it is
enabled then and backup system that used shadow copy technology can backup
the current drive regardless of the state of the files. The following is a
free program that uses this in its backup method.

http://www.runtime.org/shadow-copy.htm

HTH
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Friday, March 08, 2013 8:15 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] Curious question

I'm just curious. How do backup programs get access to files that are in
use? You might have anything running, a database server, etc. So how do
they deal with that?

TIA,
-- 
Arthur
Cell: 647.710.1314

Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Sat Mar  9 01:15:29 2013
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2013 02:15:29 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Curious question
In-Reply-To: <7CCB7CBEBCB742E892C3369A372CF42A@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <CAEPJO1gSi=ntW9xAeF5KThktYrrOmP0=FXMPCcnCyReeQw_Orw@mail.gmail.com>
	<7CCB7CBEBCB742E892C3369A372CF42A@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1gdCtWNM2mNXSAHkh_N8T3qLU9-e3XCTODv+hX=OQ=6mQ@mail.gmail.com>

I can't find a shadow copy tab in the properties dialog. Windows 7 sp1.

I'll do some googling.

A.


On Sat, Mar 9, 2013 at 12:28 AM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> Hi Arthur:
>
> If you have "shadow copy" turned on for the specific drive then you can
> backup all files regardless of how they are being used.
>
> Explorer > Drive > right-mouse-click > properties > shadow copies tab and
> it
> will show you whether your drive's shadow copy is enabled or not. If it is
> enabled then and backup system that used shadow copy technology can backup
> the current drive regardless of the state of the files. The following is a
> free program that uses this in its backup method.
>
> http://www.runtime.org/shadow-copy.htm
>
> HTH
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
> Sent: Friday, March 08, 2013 8:15 PM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: [dba-Tech] Curious question
>
> I'm just curious. How do backup programs get access to files that are in
> use? You might have anything running, a database server, etc. So how do
> they deal with that?
>
> TIA,
> --
> Arthur
> Cell: 647.710.1314
>
> Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
>   -- Niels Bohr
> _______________________________________________
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>



-- 
Arthur
Cell: 647.710.1314

Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
  -- Niels Bohr

From marklbreen at gmail.com  Sat Mar  9 06:53:04 2013
From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen)
Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2013 12:53:04 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Your own personal Cloud
In-Reply-To: <C797ED50-7FA4-40C2-99E0-F8A43E88B73B@phulse.com>
References: <002001ce19c5$a61fd9c0$f25f8d40$@comcast.net>
	<B5F7AD51-2143-4556-8F69-1C5584720747@phulse.com>
	<003301ce19d2$8c580b90$a50822b0$@comcast.net>
	<151BE793-051A-4704-B01B-358441031751@phulse.com>
	<681549B84F6E4268BED679AAF7A66E63@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<26F265E5C7B04EDDAC6206186DD726C2@HAL9007>
	<962847D48C914EE6A0ECBA4B0932E22A@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<674FCBCA-1ADE-43C6-BC51-B8FE9BB47847@phulse.com>
	<CAGXtTChmAdm_+D6-YVkX-aN48Nw3ks+FvgZMS_aWO7C8rQaFyg@mail.gmail.com>
	<C797ED50-7FA4-40C2-99E0-F8A43E88B73B@phulse.com>
Message-ID: <CAGXtTCjD6BNtmmjA+Qgc0KdxTz3zvASWA3WREEE9y3K_ZrbwUg@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Hans,

thats fantastic, I looked but completely missed the client software, which
is of course what I need.

May I ask you advice about storage.  I have one drive with almost a
terabyte of data.  My upload speed is slow, but excluding upload speed, do
you think I could upload a terabyte ?  Do you have any idea what your total
storage use is ?  I know that pogoplug say it is unlimited, but I wonder
about pointing to my folder named "FileServer"

thanks

Mark





On 8 March 2013 15:16, Hans-Christian Andersen <hans.andersen at phulse.com>wrote:

> Hi Mark,
>
> My pogoplug mounts its drive like an ordinary local drive. I use it for 3
> reasons primarily:
>
> 1. File storage in a shared location. I can now access these files from
> any machine any where in the world.
>
> 2 File sharing. Need to send a very big file to someone or a photo album?
> You can just share it directly from the pogoplug in terms of a web link.
> It's also easy to manage what things you've shared.
>
> 3. DNLA. The pogoplug device supports dnla, so it appears as a media
> server on the network and so your media box, like my playstation3 picks up
> its presence and let's me stream movies, pictures and music from it.
>
> - Hans
>
>
> On 2013-03-08, at 2:06 AM, Mark Breen <marklbreen at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hello Hans,
> >
> > On the basis that 1) you have to drag and drop and 2) you cannot drag
> > folders, what do you use Pogoplug for ?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 8 March 2013 00:48, Hans-Christian Andersen <hans.andersen at phulse.com
> >wrote:
> >
> >> Looks like owncloud has progressed a bit since last i checked. I'll try
> it
> >> out on a vm and, if its stable, might throw it on my server. I'm
> otherwise
> >> quite content with my pogoplug though.
> >>
> >> - Hans
> >>
> >>
> >> On 2013-03-07, at 4:38 PM, "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
> >>
> >>> If you are on a budget, have your own business, intranet, want to have
> a
> >>> secure and reliable Cloud (and that doesn't necessarily mean being
> >>> financially tied Amazon, Microsoft and others, never knowing if your
> >> backups
> >>> have been done or the site is being maintained)
> >>>
> >>> So why not build your own for family, friends and/or business. Here is
> a
> >>> very viable option that you can design on your own equipment:
> >>>
> >>> https://owncloud.org/
> >>>
> >>> Check out the features and the control you will have. :-)
> >>>
> >>> And why not install it on your Debian/Ubuntu servers/stations:
> >>
> http://smashingweb.info/owncloud-4-released-install-owncloud-on-ubuntu-12-04
> >>> /
> >>>
> >>> Terminal alert: You are going to have to key in a few lines on the
> >> terminal
> >>> (command line interface) But Alt-Ctrl-T, cut and paste from the web
> site
> >>> should be as hard as it gets.
> >>>
> >>> Note you will need Apache, MySQL and PHP5 for the base setup. Though
> the
> >>> install from the website might be very straight forward it might be
> best
> >> to
> >>> take no chances and previously install the latest greatest versions of
> >> the
> >>> pre-requisites:
> >>>
> >>> sudo apt-get install taskel
> >>> sudo taskel install lamp-server
> >>> sudo apt-get install php5-curl
> >>> sudo apt-get install php5-gd
> >>>
> >>> Now you are good to start with the suggested installation method and if
> >> you
> >>> are using the Ubuntu 12.04 Linux.
> >>>
> >>> Oh yes and most important. You have clients for Windows and Mac as well
> >> as
> >>> Linux...and for the cherry on the cake...the clients runs on all your
> >>> mobiles too.
> >>>
> >>> Jim
> >>>
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> dba-Tech mailing list
> >>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> dba-Tech mailing list
> >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
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> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
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>

From marklbreen at gmail.com  Sat Mar  9 07:07:19 2013
From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen)
Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2013 13:07:19 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] A Better Keyboard?
In-Reply-To: <002201ce1c0c$5eabdd70$1c039850$@comcast.net>
References: <002201ce1c0c$5eabdd70$1c039850$@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <CAGXtTChKYO+j6SOd=f8HL_iPZJZorkJgkoZ79O1njD725t9mug@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Dan,

I have been thinking about a mechanical keyboard for quite a while, but I
have not found one that is also curved.  I use an MS Natural Ergonomic 4000
keyboard and I love it but I would like to try those Cherry keys.

I looked on Tiger Direct but could not find the keyboard, I see on their
site it is $250 which is a lot for a keyboard.

Any links to it ?




On 8 March 2013 14:51, Dan Waters <df.waters at comcast.net> wrote:

>
> http://www.anandtech.com/show/6682/first-impressions-the-teck-ergonomic-mech
> anical-keyboard
>
>
>
> This device has had a lot of thought put into it.  It's $60 at Tiger
> Direct.
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks!
>
> Dan Waters
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
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>

From df.waters at comcast.net  Sat Mar  9 07:43:18 2013
From: df.waters at comcast.net (Dan Waters)
Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2013 07:43:18 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] A Better Keyboard?
In-Reply-To: <CAGXtTChKYO+j6SOd=f8HL_iPZJZorkJgkoZ79O1njD725t9mug@mail.gmail.com>
References: <002201ce1c0c$5eabdd70$1c039850$@comcast.net>
	<CAGXtTChKYO+j6SOd=f8HL_iPZJZorkJgkoZ79O1njD725t9mug@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000c01ce1ccc$0f259370$2d70ba50$@comcast.net>

Hi Mark,

I got fooled by the ad at the top of the article on anandtech.com - it must
have been for something else that was $60.  I use an MS 4000 keyboard too
and it's nice, but I would like to get the mouse closer.

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen
Sent: Saturday, March 09, 2013 7:07 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] A Better Keyboard?

Hello Dan,

I have been thinking about a mechanical keyboard for quite a while, but I
have not found one that is also curved.  I use an MS Natural Ergonomic 4000
keyboard and I love it but I would like to try those Cherry keys.

I looked on Tiger Direct but could not find the keyboard, I see on their
site it is $250 which is a lot for a keyboard.

Any links to it ?




On 8 March 2013 14:51, Dan Waters <df.waters at comcast.net> wrote:

>
> http://www.anandtech.com/show/6682/first-impressions-the-teck-ergonomi
> c-mech
> anical-keyboard
>
>
>
> This device has had a lot of thought put into it.  It's $60 at Tiger 
> Direct.
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks!
>
> Dan Waters
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sat Mar  9 10:35:07 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2013 08:35:07 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Curious question
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1gdCtWNM2mNXSAHkh_N8T3qLU9-e3XCTODv+hX=OQ=6mQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1gSi=ntW9xAeF5KThktYrrOmP0=FXMPCcnCyReeQw_Orw@mail.gmail.com><7CCB7CBEBCB742E892C3369A372CF42A@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<CAEPJO1gdCtWNM2mNXSAHkh_N8T3qLU9-e3XCTODv+hX=OQ=6mQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <16E3C5161EC8452A97F62B309A01EE25@creativesystemdesigns.com>

It should be under the system protection tab.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Friday, March 08, 2013 11:15 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Curious question

I can't find a shadow copy tab in the properties dialog. Windows 7 sp1.

I'll do some googling.

A.


On Sat, Mar 9, 2013 at 12:28 AM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> Hi Arthur:
>
> If you have "shadow copy" turned on for the specific drive then you can
> backup all files regardless of how they are being used.
>
> Explorer > Drive > right-mouse-click > properties > shadow copies tab and
> it
> will show you whether your drive's shadow copy is enabled or not. If it is
> enabled then and backup system that used shadow copy technology can backup
> the current drive regardless of the state of the files. The following is a
> free program that uses this in its backup method.
>
> http://www.runtime.org/shadow-copy.htm
>
> HTH
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
> Sent: Friday, March 08, 2013 8:15 PM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: [dba-Tech] Curious question
>
> I'm just curious. How do backup programs get access to files that are in
> use? You might have anything running, a database server, etc. So how do
> they deal with that?
>
> TIA,
> --
> Arthur
> Cell: 647.710.1314
>
> Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
>   -- Niels Bohr
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
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-- 
Arthur
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Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
  -- Niels Bohr
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Sat Mar  9 11:22:57 2013
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2013 12:22:57 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Curious question
In-Reply-To: <16E3C5161EC8452A97F62B309A01EE25@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <CAEPJO1gSi=ntW9xAeF5KThktYrrOmP0=FXMPCcnCyReeQw_Orw@mail.gmail.com>
	<7CCB7CBEBCB742E892C3369A372CF42A@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<CAEPJO1gdCtWNM2mNXSAHkh_N8T3qLU9-e3XCTODv+hX=OQ=6mQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<16E3C5161EC8452A97F62B309A01EE25@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1gExqTZKxiRphRCtrCz95fPN+aNkFwwtuJ-ANQM2ScKyA@mail.gmail.com>

This is getting stranger. I don't have that tab either.
Tabs I do have:
Row 1: Security, Previous Versions, Quota, Customize
Row 2: General, Tools, Hardware, Sharing
Maybe I should put on the soundtrack to Psycho....
A,


On Sat, Mar 9, 2013 at 11:35 AM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> It should be under the system protection tab.
>
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
> Sent: Friday, March 08, 2013 11:15 PM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Curious question
>
> I can't find a shadow copy tab in the properties dialog. Windows 7 sp1.
>
> I'll do some googling.
>
> A.
>
>
> On Sat, Mar 9, 2013 at 12:28 AM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
>
> > Hi Arthur:
> >
> > If you have "shadow copy" turned on for the specific drive then you can
> > backup all files regardless of how they are being used.
> >
> > Explorer > Drive > right-mouse-click > properties > shadow copies tab and
> > it
> > will show you whether your drive's shadow copy is enabled or not. If it
> is
> > enabled then and backup system that used shadow copy technology can
> backup
> > the current drive regardless of the state of the files. The following is
> a
> > free program that uses this in its backup method.
> >
> > http://www.runtime.org/shadow-copy.htm
> >
> > HTH
> > Jim
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur
> Fuller
> > Sent: Friday, March 08, 2013 8:15 PM
> > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> > Subject: [dba-Tech] Curious question
> >
> > I'm just curious. How do backup programs get access to files that are in
> > use? You might have anything running, a database server, etc. So how do
> > they deal with that?
> >
> > TIA,
> > --
> > Arthur
> > Cell: 647.710.1314
> >
> > Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
> >   -- Niels Bohr
> > _______________________________________________
> > dba-Tech mailing list
> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > dba-Tech mailing list
> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Arthur
> Cell: 647.710.1314
>
> Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
>   -- Niels Bohr
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
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-- 
Arthur
Cell: 647.710.1314

Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
  -- Niels Bohr

From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Sat Mar  9 11:45:33 2013
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2013 09:45:33 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Your own personal Cloud
In-Reply-To: <CAGXtTCjD6BNtmmjA+Qgc0KdxTz3zvASWA3WREEE9y3K_ZrbwUg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <002001ce19c5$a61fd9c0$f25f8d40$@comcast.net>
	<B5F7AD51-2143-4556-8F69-1C5584720747@phulse.com>
	<003301ce19d2$8c580b90$a50822b0$@comcast.net>
	<151BE793-051A-4704-B01B-358441031751@phulse.com>
	<681549B84F6E4268BED679AAF7A66E63@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<26F265E5C7B04EDDAC6206186DD726C2@HAL9007>
	<962847D48C914EE6A0ECBA4B0932E22A@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<674FCBCA-1ADE-43C6-BC51-B8FE9BB47847@phulse.com>
	<CAGXtTChmAdm_+D6-YVkX-aN48Nw3ks+FvgZMS_aWO7C8rQaFyg@mail.gmail.com>
	<C797ED50-7FA4-40C2-99E0-F8A43E88B73B@phulse.com>
	<CAGXtTCjD6BNtmmjA+Qgc0KdxTz3zvASWA3WREEE9y3K_ZrbwUg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <FFFB40A8-A7B6-4B1D-9C62-65628816FD14@phulse.com>

Hi mark,

The pogoplug company provides two types of storage. 

You can either subscribe to their online storage, which is all in the cloud... This option requires a subscription fee.

Or you can purchase a small device (as I did), which you connect to your home network. They aren't very expensive. About $40. Maybe less. And no subscription fee. Then you can connect up to 3 or 4 USB hard drives to it and that becomes your online storage which you can access from anywhere (but is within your control rather than being in the cloud). If you want DNLA, this is the option you want.

You can also use it as a backup device, a bit like TimeMachine. The client software comes with backup features.

If you have a lot of data but poor upload speed, you probably would be better off with the second option, as you will be transferring over your local network rather than via the web.

I recommend the pogoplug device. It's very useful, small and low powered device, so you can just tuck it away somewhere and forget about it. The newer devices might even have new and improved features. I haven't checked lately.

Hope this answers your questions.

- Hans


On 2013-03-09, at 4:53 AM, Mark Breen <marklbreen at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello Hans,
> 
> thats fantastic, I looked but completely missed the client software, which
> is of course what I need.
> 
> May I ask you advice about storage.  I have one drive with almost a
> terabyte of data.  My upload speed is slow, but excluding upload speed, do
> you think I could upload a terabyte ?  Do you have any idea what your total
> storage use is ?  I know that pogoplug say it is unlimited, but I wonder
> about pointing to my folder named "FileServer"
> 
> thanks
> 
> Mark
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 8 March 2013 15:16, Hans-Christian Andersen <hans.andersen at phulse.com>wrote:
> 
>> Hi Mark,
>> 
>> My pogoplug mounts its drive like an ordinary local drive. I use it for 3
>> reasons primarily:
>> 
>> 1. File storage in a shared location. I can now access these files from
>> any machine any where in the world.
>> 
>> 2 File sharing. Need to send a very big file to someone or a photo album?
>> You can just share it directly from the pogoplug in terms of a web link.
>> It's also easy to manage what things you've shared.
>> 
>> 3. DNLA. The pogoplug device supports dnla, so it appears as a media
>> server on the network and so your media box, like my playstation3 picks up
>> its presence and let's me stream movies, pictures and music from it.
>> 
>> - Hans
>> 
>> 
>> On 2013-03-08, at 2:06 AM, Mark Breen <marklbreen at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello Hans,
>>> 
>>> On the basis that 1) you have to drag and drop and 2) you cannot drag
>>> folders, what do you use Pogoplug for ?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 8 March 2013 00:48, Hans-Christian Andersen <hans.andersen at phulse.com
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Looks like owncloud has progressed a bit since last i checked. I'll try
>> it
>>>> out on a vm and, if its stable, might throw it on my server. I'm
>> otherwise
>>>> quite content with my pogoplug though.
>>>> 
>>>> - Hans
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 2013-03-07, at 4:38 PM, "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> If you are on a budget, have your own business, intranet, want to have
>> a
>>>>> secure and reliable Cloud (and that doesn't necessarily mean being
>>>>> financially tied Amazon, Microsoft and others, never knowing if your
>>>> backups
>>>>> have been done or the site is being maintained)
>>>>> 
>>>>> So why not build your own for family, friends and/or business. Here is
>> a
>>>>> very viable option that you can design on your own equipment:
>>>>> 
>>>>> https://owncloud.org/
>>>>> 
>>>>> Check out the features and the control you will have. :-)
>>>>> 
>>>>> And why not install it on your Debian/Ubuntu servers/stations:
>> http://smashingweb.info/owncloud-4-released-install-owncloud-on-ubuntu-12-04
>>>>> /
>>>>> 
>>>>> Terminal alert: You are going to have to key in a few lines on the
>>>> terminal
>>>>> (command line interface) But Alt-Ctrl-T, cut and paste from the web
>> site
>>>>> should be as hard as it gets.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Note you will need Apache, MySQL and PHP5 for the base setup. Though
>> the
>>>>> install from the website might be very straight forward it might be
>> best
>>>> to
>>>>> take no chances and previously install the latest greatest versions of
>>>> the
>>>>> pre-requisites:
>>>>> 
>>>>> sudo apt-get install taskel
>>>>> sudo taskel install lamp-server
>>>>> sudo apt-get install php5-curl
>>>>> sudo apt-get install php5-gd
>>>>> 
>>>>> Now you are good to start with the suggested installation method and if
>>>> you
>>>>> are using the Ubuntu 12.04 Linux.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Oh yes and most important. You have clients for Windows and Mac as well
>>>> as
>>>>> Linux...and for the cherry on the cake...the clients runs on all your
>>>>> mobiles too.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Jim
>>>>> 
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> dba-Tech mailing list
>>>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>>>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>>>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>>> 
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From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Sat Mar  9 11:49:11 2013
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2013 09:49:11 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Your own personal Cloud
In-Reply-To: <CAGXtTCjD6BNtmmjA+Qgc0KdxTz3zvASWA3WREEE9y3K_ZrbwUg@mail.gmail.com>
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Oh, just to add to my previous email, since I use the home storage device option, I haven't had much need for their cloud storage version, so I can't speak to how well it performs or whether unlimited is indeed unlimited. I'd check the TOS for the fine print, but I imagine they are true to their word.

- Hans


On 2013-03-09, at 4:53 AM, Mark Breen <marklbreen at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello Hans,
> 
> thats fantastic, I looked but completely missed the client software, which
> is of course what I need.
> 
> May I ask you advice about storage.  I have one drive with almost a
> terabyte of data.  My upload speed is slow, but excluding upload speed, do
> you think I could upload a terabyte ?  Do you have any idea what your total
> storage use is ?  I know that pogoplug say it is unlimited, but I wonder
> about pointing to my folder named "FileServer"
> 
> thanks
> 
> Mark
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 8 March 2013 15:16, Hans-Christian Andersen <hans.andersen at phulse.com>wrote:
> 
>> Hi Mark,
>> 
>> My pogoplug mounts its drive like an ordinary local drive. I use it for 3
>> reasons primarily:
>> 
>> 1. File storage in a shared location. I can now access these files from
>> any machine any where in the world.
>> 
>> 2 File sharing. Need to send a very big file to someone or a photo album?
>> You can just share it directly from the pogoplug in terms of a web link.
>> It's also easy to manage what things you've shared.
>> 
>> 3. DNLA. The pogoplug device supports dnla, so it appears as a media
>> server on the network and so your media box, like my playstation3 picks up
>> its presence and let's me stream movies, pictures and music from it.
>> 
>> - Hans
>> 
>> 
>> On 2013-03-08, at 2:06 AM, Mark Breen <marklbreen at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello Hans,
>>> 
>>> On the basis that 1) you have to drag and drop and 2) you cannot drag
>>> folders, what do you use Pogoplug for ?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 8 March 2013 00:48, Hans-Christian Andersen <hans.andersen at phulse.com
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Looks like owncloud has progressed a bit since last i checked. I'll try
>> it
>>>> out on a vm and, if its stable, might throw it on my server. I'm
>> otherwise
>>>> quite content with my pogoplug though.
>>>> 
>>>> - Hans
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 2013-03-07, at 4:38 PM, "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> If you are on a budget, have your own business, intranet, want to have
>> a
>>>>> secure and reliable Cloud (and that doesn't necessarily mean being
>>>>> financially tied Amazon, Microsoft and others, never knowing if your
>>>> backups
>>>>> have been done or the site is being maintained)
>>>>> 
>>>>> So why not build your own for family, friends and/or business. Here is
>> a
>>>>> very viable option that you can design on your own equipment:
>>>>> 
>>>>> https://owncloud.org/
>>>>> 
>>>>> Check out the features and the control you will have. :-)
>>>>> 
>>>>> And why not install it on your Debian/Ubuntu servers/stations:
>> http://smashingweb.info/owncloud-4-released-install-owncloud-on-ubuntu-12-04
>>>>> /
>>>>> 
>>>>> Terminal alert: You are going to have to key in a few lines on the
>>>> terminal
>>>>> (command line interface) But Alt-Ctrl-T, cut and paste from the web
>> site
>>>>> should be as hard as it gets.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Note you will need Apache, MySQL and PHP5 for the base setup. Though
>> the
>>>>> install from the website might be very straight forward it might be
>> best
>>>> to
>>>>> take no chances and previously install the latest greatest versions of
>>>> the
>>>>> pre-requisites:
>>>>> 
>>>>> sudo apt-get install taskel
>>>>> sudo taskel install lamp-server
>>>>> sudo apt-get install php5-curl
>>>>> sudo apt-get install php5-gd
>>>>> 
>>>>> Now you are good to start with the suggested installation method and if
>>>> you
>>>>> are using the Ubuntu 12.04 Linux.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Oh yes and most important. You have clients for Windows and Mac as well
>>>> as
>>>>> Linux...and for the cherry on the cake...the clients runs on all your
>>>>> mobiles too.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Jim
>>>>> 
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> dba-Tech mailing list
>>>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>>>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>>>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>>> 
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>> 
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From marklbreen at gmail.com  Sat Mar  9 12:55:48 2013
From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen)
Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2013 18:55:48 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] A Better Keyboard?
In-Reply-To: <000c01ce1ccc$0f259370$2d70ba50$@comcast.net>
References: <002201ce1c0c$5eabdd70$1c039850$@comcast.net>
	<CAGXtTChKYO+j6SOd=f8HL_iPZJZorkJgkoZ79O1njD725t9mug@mail.gmail.com>
	<000c01ce1ccc$0f259370$2d70ba50$@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <CAGXtTCjjkMVRm0CHQVGReU18gcLzM15TjiA80oGNgpguEyS8eg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Dan,

yes, the MS 4000 is a fantastic keyboard, I would purchase a mechanical kbd
but I love the layout and the raised front of the MS 4000 so much that I
cannot switch.

My wife works for HP and I bought her the MS 4000 kbd and a really nice
Logitech mouse.  She tells me that when her colleagues come to her desk and
see the fancy keyboard and mouse they all say "ooo, how did you get that
hardware" :)




On 9 March 2013 13:43, Dan Waters <df.waters at comcast.net> wrote:

> Hi Mark,
>
> I got fooled by the ad at the top of the article on anandtech.com - it
> must
> have been for something else that was $60.  I use an MS 4000 keyboard too
> and it's nice, but I would like to get the mouse closer.
>
> Dan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen
> Sent: Saturday, March 09, 2013 7:07 AM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] A Better Keyboard?
>
> Hello Dan,
>
> I have been thinking about a mechanical keyboard for quite a while, but I
> have not found one that is also curved.  I use an MS Natural Ergonomic 4000
> keyboard and I love it but I would like to try those Cherry keys.
>
> I looked on Tiger Direct but could not find the keyboard, I see on their
> site it is $250 which is a lot for a keyboard.
>
> Any links to it ?
>
>
>
>
> On 8 March 2013 14:51, Dan Waters <df.waters at comcast.net> wrote:
>
> >
> > http://www.anandtech.com/show/6682/first-impressions-the-teck-ergonomi
> > c-mech
> > anical-keyboard
> >
> >
> >
> > This device has had a lot of thought put into it.  It's $60 at Tiger
> > Direct.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > Dan Waters
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > dba-Tech mailing list
> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
> _______________________________________________
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>

From marklbreen at gmail.com  Sat Mar  9 12:59:58 2013
From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen)
Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2013 18:59:58 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Your own personal Cloud
In-Reply-To: <6146F227-2A6E-4DA0-B40D-35BC0685F798@phulse.com>
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Hello Hans,

Very interesting,

I have been considering building a FreeNas box for a while, and using
internal disks,

I even have a machine built with one 256GB SSD disk with a PSU with no fan,
IOW a silent PC.  I intended to use the Free Nas as my storage for another
room in the house.

Lots of options :)

thanks

Mark



On 9 March 2013 17:49, Hans-Christian Andersen <hans.andersen at phulse.com>wrote:

> Oh, just to add to my previous email, since I use the home storage device
> option, I haven't had much need for their cloud storage version, so I can't
> speak to how well it performs or whether unlimited is indeed unlimited. I'd
> check the TOS for the fine print, but I imagine they are true to their word.
>
> - Hans
>
>
> On 2013-03-09, at 4:53 AM, Mark Breen <marklbreen at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hello Hans,
> >
> > thats fantastic, I looked but completely missed the client software,
> which
> > is of course what I need.
> >
> > May I ask you advice about storage.  I have one drive with almost a
> > terabyte of data.  My upload speed is slow, but excluding upload speed,
> do
> > you think I could upload a terabyte ?  Do you have any idea what your
> total
> > storage use is ?  I know that pogoplug say it is unlimited, but I wonder
> > about pointing to my folder named "FileServer"
> >
> > thanks
> >
> > Mark
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 8 March 2013 15:16, Hans-Christian Andersen <hans.andersen at phulse.com
> >wrote:
> >
> >> Hi Mark,
> >>
> >> My pogoplug mounts its drive like an ordinary local drive. I use it for
> 3
> >> reasons primarily:
> >>
> >> 1. File storage in a shared location. I can now access these files from
> >> any machine any where in the world.
> >>
> >> 2 File sharing. Need to send a very big file to someone or a photo
> album?
> >> You can just share it directly from the pogoplug in terms of a web link.
> >> It's also easy to manage what things you've shared.
> >>
> >> 3. DNLA. The pogoplug device supports dnla, so it appears as a media
> >> server on the network and so your media box, like my playstation3 picks
> up
> >> its presence and let's me stream movies, pictures and music from it.
> >>
> >> - Hans
> >>
> >>
> >> On 2013-03-08, at 2:06 AM, Mark Breen <marklbreen at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hello Hans,
> >>>
> >>> On the basis that 1) you have to drag and drop and 2) you cannot drag
> >>> folders, what do you use Pogoplug for ?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 8 March 2013 00:48, Hans-Christian Andersen <
> hans.andersen at phulse.com
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Looks like owncloud has progressed a bit since last i checked. I'll
> try
> >> it
> >>>> out on a vm and, if its stable, might throw it on my server. I'm
> >> otherwise
> >>>> quite content with my pogoplug though.
> >>>>
> >>>> - Hans
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On 2013-03-07, at 4:38 PM, "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> If you are on a budget, have your own business, intranet, want to
> have
> >> a
> >>>>> secure and reliable Cloud (and that doesn't necessarily mean being
> >>>>> financially tied Amazon, Microsoft and others, never knowing if your
> >>>> backups
> >>>>> have been done or the site is being maintained)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> So why not build your own for family, friends and/or business. Here
> is
> >> a
> >>>>> very viable option that you can design on your own equipment:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> https://owncloud.org/
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Check out the features and the control you will have. :-)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> And why not install it on your Debian/Ubuntu servers/stations:
> >>
> http://smashingweb.info/owncloud-4-released-install-owncloud-on-ubuntu-12-04
> >>>>> /
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Terminal alert: You are going to have to key in a few lines on the
> >>>> terminal
> >>>>> (command line interface) But Alt-Ctrl-T, cut and paste from the web
> >> site
> >>>>> should be as hard as it gets.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Note you will need Apache, MySQL and PHP5 for the base setup. Though
> >> the
> >>>>> install from the website might be very straight forward it might be
> >> best
> >>>> to
> >>>>> take no chances and previously install the latest greatest versions
> of
> >>>> the
> >>>>> pre-requisites:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> sudo apt-get install taskel
> >>>>> sudo taskel install lamp-server
> >>>>> sudo apt-get install php5-curl
> >>>>> sudo apt-get install php5-gd
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Now you are good to start with the suggested installation method and
> if
> >>>> you
> >>>>> are using the Ubuntu 12.04 Linux.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Oh yes and most important. You have clients for Windows and Mac as
> well
> >>>> as
> >>>>> Linux...and for the cherry on the cake...the clients runs on all your
> >>>>> mobiles too.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Jim
> >>>>>
> >>>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>>> dba-Tech mailing list
> >>>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> >>>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> >>>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >>>>
> >>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>> dba-Tech mailing list
> >>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> >>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> >>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> dba-Tech mailing list
> >>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
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> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
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From df.waters at comcast.net  Sat Mar  9 13:06:43 2013
From: df.waters at comcast.net (Dan Waters)
Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2013 13:06:43 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] A Better Keyboard?
In-Reply-To: <CAGXtTCjjkMVRm0CHQVGReU18gcLzM15TjiA80oGNgpguEyS8eg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <002201ce1c0c$5eabdd70$1c039850$@comcast.net>	<CAGXtTChKYO+j6SOd=f8HL_iPZJZorkJgkoZ79O1njD725t9mug@mail.gmail.com>	<000c01ce1ccc$0f259370$2d70ba50$@comcast.net>
	<CAGXtTCjjkMVRm0CHQVGReU18gcLzM15TjiA80oGNgpguEyS8eg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000301ce1cf9$3eae0730$bc0a1590$@comcast.net>

Yup!  These are nice - I'm usually working 60 hours a week and it's all done
using the 4000.

I'm on my 4th one.   Two died for no reason - but one got killed by a beer!

I also use a wired MS Optical Notebook Mouse 3000.  It's the lightest mouse.
It also has a programmable side button which I've set to F5 for debugging in
VS.

Between the 4000 keyboard and the 3000 mouse, I have no wrist pain or
stiffness at all, even working 60 hours/week!

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen
Sent: Saturday, March 09, 2013 12:56 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] A Better Keyboard?

Hi Dan,

yes, the MS 4000 is a fantastic keyboard, I would purchase a mechanical kbd
but I love the layout and the raised front of the MS 4000 so much that I
cannot switch.

My wife works for HP and I bought her the MS 4000 kbd and a really nice
Logitech mouse.  She tells me that when her colleagues come to her desk and
see the fancy keyboard and mouse they all say "ooo, how did you get that
hardware" :)




On 9 March 2013 13:43, Dan Waters <df.waters at comcast.net> wrote:

> Hi Mark,
>
> I got fooled by the ad at the top of the article on anandtech.com - it 
> must have been for something else that was $60.  I use an MS 4000 
> keyboard too and it's nice, but I would like to get the mouse closer.
>
> Dan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen
> Sent: Saturday, March 09, 2013 7:07 AM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] A Better Keyboard?
>
> Hello Dan,
>
> I have been thinking about a mechanical keyboard for quite a while, 
> but I have not found one that is also curved.  I use an MS Natural 
> Ergonomic 4000 keyboard and I love it but I would like to try those Cherry
keys.
>
> I looked on Tiger Direct but could not find the keyboard, I see on 
> their site it is $250 which is a lot for a keyboard.
>
> Any links to it ?
>
>
>
>
> On 8 March 2013 14:51, Dan Waters <df.waters at comcast.net> wrote:
>
> >
> > http://www.anandtech.com/show/6682/first-impressions-the-teck-ergono
> > mi
> > c-mech
> > anical-keyboard
> >
> >
> >
> > This device has had a lot of thought put into it.  It's $60 at Tiger 
> > Direct.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > Dan Waters
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > dba-Tech mailing list
> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
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>
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>
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Sat Mar  9 13:17:32 2013
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2013 14:17:32 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Curious question
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1gExqTZKxiRphRCtrCz95fPN+aNkFwwtuJ-ANQM2ScKyA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1gSi=ntW9xAeF5KThktYrrOmP0=FXMPCcnCyReeQw_Orw@mail.gmail.com>
	<7CCB7CBEBCB742E892C3369A372CF42A@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<CAEPJO1gdCtWNM2mNXSAHkh_N8T3qLU9-e3XCTODv+hX=OQ=6mQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<16E3C5161EC8452A97F62B309A01EE25@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<CAEPJO1gExqTZKxiRphRCtrCz95fPN+aNkFwwtuJ-ANQM2ScKyA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1gOQSAORUhYNdYT+V5hknDT0UBg_xKWUcMj9xd6P9UfhQ@mail.gmail.com>

Aha! On the Previous Versions tab there'a a list of folder versions. There
are 2 a day, 3 minutes apartwhen they are made is not so obvious. One day,
it versioned at 8:58am and 9:01am -- three minutes apart. The previous
day's version times were 5:29pm and 7:38pm. A non-obvious pattern. Maybe
it's driven by activity? Just a guess.

Is this even what we're talking about or is this something else? I'm going
to keep exploring.


On Sat, Mar 9, 2013 at 12:22 PM, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com>wrote:

> This is getting stranger. I don't have that tab either.
> Tabs I do have:
> Row 1: Security, Previous Versions, Quota, Customize
> Row 2: General, Tools, Hardware, Sharing
> Maybe I should put on the soundtrack to Psycho....
> A,
>
>
> On Sat, Mar 9, 2013 at 11:35 AM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
>
>> It should be under the system protection tab.
>>
>> Jim
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
>> Sent: Friday, March 08, 2013 11:15 PM
>> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Curious question
>>
>> I can't find a shadow copy tab in the properties dialog. Windows 7 sp1.
>>
>> I'll do some googling.
>>
>> A.
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Mar 9, 2013 at 12:28 AM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
>>
>> > Hi Arthur:
>> >
>> > If you have "shadow copy" turned on for the specific drive then you can
>> > backup all files regardless of how they are being used.
>> >
>> > Explorer > Drive > right-mouse-click > properties > shadow copies tab
>> and
>> > it
>> > will show you whether your drive's shadow copy is enabled or not. If it
>> is
>> > enabled then and backup system that used shadow copy technology can
>> backup
>> > the current drive regardless of the state of the files. The following
>> is a
>> > free program that uses this in its backup method.
>> >
>> > http://www.runtime.org/shadow-copy.htm
>> >
>> > HTH
>> > Jim
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur
>> Fuller
>> > Sent: Friday, March 08, 2013 8:15 PM
>> > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>> > Subject: [dba-Tech] Curious question
>> >
>> > I'm just curious. How do backup programs get access to files that are in
>> > use? You might have anything running, a database server, etc. So how do
>> > they deal with that?
>> >
>> > TIA,
>> > --
>> > Arthur
>> > Cell: 647.710.1314
>> >
>> > Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
>> >   -- Niels Bohr
>> > _______________________________________________
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>> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Arthur
>> Cell: 647.710.1314
>>
>> Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
>>   -- Niels Bohr
>> _______________________________________________
>> dba-Tech mailing list
>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
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>>
>
>
>
> --
> Arthur
> Cell: 647.710.1314
>
> Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
>   -- Niels Bohr
>
>


-- 
Arthur
Cell: 647.710.1314

Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
  -- Niels Bohr

From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Sat Mar  9 14:44:29 2013
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2013 12:44:29 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Your own personal Cloud
In-Reply-To: <CAGXtTCgZjTOtMtoN6-rPEh8TrJP=T3Pr+QSzB2X1pdt6BCUegg@mail.gmail.com>
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Hi mark,

Freenas is definitely a great option.

The big benefit here would be speed and also the ability to build a raided system. Because the pogoplug takes USB drives as storage, you don't get raid options and its only as fast as USB allows (although USB 3.0 is quite fast). Also, freenas features zfs, arguably the most advanced file system there is. And, since its a FreeBSD setup, you have much more flexibility is shaping the kind of setup you want.

The downside is that freenas doesn't really provide you the same sort of "cloud" features you get with the pogoplug. And you have to build your own machine to host it, making the pogoplug a much cheaper option.

Give and take. If I fancied building a whole new server and didn't mind sinking a bit of money into it, I would most definitely go for freenas and figure out a way to get access to my files on the fly. Also, the machine would have to be low powered, but it would be hard to build a server that only consumes 5 watts.

As it is, the pogoplug was cheap and fit my needs and I didn't have to invest much time into it. It's not my primary network drive. It's more of a miscellaneous network folder. My TimeMachine is my primary backup machine (so I don't have to even think about backing up my files, it does it automagically). Otherwise, my computers are the primary storage devices and I copy things on my pogoplug when I need to.

I might buy a raspberry pi one of these days and put own cloud on it perhaps, so it might end up replacing it, but I have very little time to play with gadgets these days. :)

- Hans


On 2013-03-09, at 10:59 AM, Mark Breen <marklbreen at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello Hans,
> 
> Very interesting,
> 
> I have been considering building a FreeNas box for a while, and using
> internal disks,
> 
> I even have a machine built with one 256GB SSD disk with a PSU with no fan,
> IOW a silent PC.  I intended to use the Free Nas as my storage for another
> room in the house.
> 
> Lots of options :)
> 
> thanks
> 
> Mark
> 
> 
> 
> On 9 March 2013 17:49, Hans-Christian Andersen <hans.andersen at phulse.com>wrote:
> 
>> Oh, just to add to my previous email, since I use the home storage device
>> option, I haven't had much need for their cloud storage version, so I can't
>> speak to how well it performs or whether unlimited is indeed unlimited. I'd
>> check the TOS for the fine print, but I imagine they are true to their word.
>> 
>> - Hans
>> 
>> 
>> On 2013-03-09, at 4:53 AM, Mark Breen <marklbreen at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello Hans,
>>> 
>>> thats fantastic, I looked but completely missed the client software,
>> which
>>> is of course what I need.
>>> 
>>> May I ask you advice about storage.  I have one drive with almost a
>>> terabyte of data.  My upload speed is slow, but excluding upload speed,
>> do
>>> you think I could upload a terabyte ?  Do you have any idea what your
>> total
>>> storage use is ?  I know that pogoplug say it is unlimited, but I wonder
>>> about pointing to my folder named "FileServer"
>>> 
>>> thanks
>>> 
>>> Mark
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 8 March 2013 15:16, Hans-Christian Andersen <hans.andersen at phulse.com
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi Mark,
>>>> 
>>>> My pogoplug mounts its drive like an ordinary local drive. I use it for
>> 3
>>>> reasons primarily:
>>>> 
>>>> 1. File storage in a shared location. I can now access these files from
>>>> any machine any where in the world.
>>>> 
>>>> 2 File sharing. Need to send a very big file to someone or a photo
>> album?
>>>> You can just share it directly from the pogoplug in terms of a web link.
>>>> It's also easy to manage what things you've shared.
>>>> 
>>>> 3. DNLA. The pogoplug device supports dnla, so it appears as a media
>>>> server on the network and so your media box, like my playstation3 picks
>> up
>>>> its presence and let's me stream movies, pictures and music from it.
>>>> 
>>>> - Hans
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 2013-03-08, at 2:06 AM, Mark Breen <marklbreen at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hello Hans,
>>>>> 
>>>>> On the basis that 1) you have to drag and drop and 2) you cannot drag
>>>>> folders, what do you use Pogoplug for ?
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 8 March 2013 00:48, Hans-Christian Andersen <
>> hans.andersen at phulse.com
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Looks like owncloud has progressed a bit since last i checked. I'll
>> try
>>>> it
>>>>>> out on a vm and, if its stable, might throw it on my server. I'm
>>>> otherwise
>>>>>> quite content with my pogoplug though.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> - Hans
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 2013-03-07, at 4:38 PM, "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> If you are on a budget, have your own business, intranet, want to
>> have
>>>> a
>>>>>>> secure and reliable Cloud (and that doesn't necessarily mean being
>>>>>>> financially tied Amazon, Microsoft and others, never knowing if your
>>>>>> backups
>>>>>>> have been done or the site is being maintained)
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> So why not build your own for family, friends and/or business. Here
>> is
>>>> a
>>>>>>> very viable option that you can design on your own equipment:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> https://owncloud.org/
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Check out the features and the control you will have. :-)
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> And why not install it on your Debian/Ubuntu servers/stations:
>> http://smashingweb.info/owncloud-4-released-install-owncloud-on-ubuntu-12-04
>>>>>>> /
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Terminal alert: You are going to have to key in a few lines on the
>>>>>> terminal
>>>>>>> (command line interface) But Alt-Ctrl-T, cut and paste from the web
>>>> site
>>>>>>> should be as hard as it gets.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Note you will need Apache, MySQL and PHP5 for the base setup. Though
>>>> the
>>>>>>> install from the website might be very straight forward it might be
>>>> best
>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> take no chances and previously install the latest greatest versions
>> of
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> pre-requisites:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> sudo apt-get install taskel
>>>>>>> sudo taskel install lamp-server
>>>>>>> sudo apt-get install php5-curl
>>>>>>> sudo apt-get install php5-gd
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Now you are good to start with the suggested installation method and
>> if
>>>>>> you
>>>>>>> are using the Ubuntu 12.04 Linux.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Oh yes and most important. You have clients for Windows and Mac as
>> well
>>>>>> as
>>>>>>> Linux...and for the cherry on the cake...the clients runs on all your
>>>>>>> mobiles too.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Jim
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> dba-Tech mailing list
>>>>>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>>>>>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>>>>>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> dba-Tech mailing list
>>>>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>>>>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>>>>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> dba-Tech mailing list
>>>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>>>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>>>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>>> 
>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>> 
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From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Sat Mar  9 14:48:54 2013
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2013 12:48:54 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Your own personal Cloud
In-Reply-To: <CAGXtTCgZjTOtMtoN6-rPEh8TrJP=T3Pr+QSzB2X1pdt6BCUegg@mail.gmail.com>
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One other option i forgot to add is that you can actually install a pogoplug client on your normal desktop PC that also turns it into a cloud storage device, allowing you access your desktop files from anywhere. This might be interesting to you, if you decide to build your freenas setup.

I don't know about you, but I'm old fashioned and knowing my files are physically close to me and in my control is important. I don't like the idea of putting any of my personal files on some cloud service and trusting it there (or, as with the case of mega upload, not even being able to access your files if the us government decides to shut down the service). :p

- Hans


On 2013-03-09, at 10:59 AM, Mark Breen <marklbreen at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello Hans,
> 
> Very interesting,
> 
> I have been considering building a FreeNas box for a while, and using
> internal disks,
> 
> I even have a machine built with one 256GB SSD disk with a PSU with no fan,
> IOW a silent PC.  I intended to use the Free Nas as my storage for another
> room in the house.
> 
> Lots of options :)
> 
> thanks
> 
> Mark
> 
> 
> 
> On 9 March 2013 17:49, Hans-Christian Andersen <hans.andersen at phulse.com>wrote:
> 
>> Oh, just to add to my previous email, since I use the home storage device
>> option, I haven't had much need for their cloud storage version, so I can't
>> speak to how well it performs or whether unlimited is indeed unlimited. I'd
>> check the TOS for the fine print, but I imagine they are true to their word.
>> 
>> - Hans
>> 
>> 
>> On 2013-03-09, at 4:53 AM, Mark Breen <marklbreen at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello Hans,
>>> 
>>> thats fantastic, I looked but completely missed the client software,
>> which
>>> is of course what I need.
>>> 
>>> May I ask you advice about storage.  I have one drive with almost a
>>> terabyte of data.  My upload speed is slow, but excluding upload speed,
>> do
>>> you think I could upload a terabyte ?  Do you have any idea what your
>> total
>>> storage use is ?  I know that pogoplug say it is unlimited, but I wonder
>>> about pointing to my folder named "FileServer"
>>> 
>>> thanks
>>> 
>>> Mark
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 8 March 2013 15:16, Hans-Christian Andersen <hans.andersen at phulse.com
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi Mark,
>>>> 
>>>> My pogoplug mounts its drive like an ordinary local drive. I use it for
>> 3
>>>> reasons primarily:
>>>> 
>>>> 1. File storage in a shared location. I can now access these files from
>>>> any machine any where in the world.
>>>> 
>>>> 2 File sharing. Need to send a very big file to someone or a photo
>> album?
>>>> You can just share it directly from the pogoplug in terms of a web link.
>>>> It's also easy to manage what things you've shared.
>>>> 
>>>> 3. DNLA. The pogoplug device supports dnla, so it appears as a media
>>>> server on the network and so your media box, like my playstation3 picks
>> up
>>>> its presence and let's me stream movies, pictures and music from it.
>>>> 
>>>> - Hans
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 2013-03-08, at 2:06 AM, Mark Breen <marklbreen at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hello Hans,
>>>>> 
>>>>> On the basis that 1) you have to drag and drop and 2) you cannot drag
>>>>> folders, what do you use Pogoplug for ?
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 8 March 2013 00:48, Hans-Christian Andersen <
>> hans.andersen at phulse.com
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Looks like owncloud has progressed a bit since last i checked. I'll
>> try
>>>> it
>>>>>> out on a vm and, if its stable, might throw it on my server. I'm
>>>> otherwise
>>>>>> quite content with my pogoplug though.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> - Hans
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 2013-03-07, at 4:38 PM, "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> If you are on a budget, have your own business, intranet, want to
>> have
>>>> a
>>>>>>> secure and reliable Cloud (and that doesn't necessarily mean being
>>>>>>> financially tied Amazon, Microsoft and others, never knowing if your
>>>>>> backups
>>>>>>> have been done or the site is being maintained)
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> So why not build your own for family, friends and/or business. Here
>> is
>>>> a
>>>>>>> very viable option that you can design on your own equipment:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> https://owncloud.org/
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Check out the features and the control you will have. :-)
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> And why not install it on your Debian/Ubuntu servers/stations:
>> http://smashingweb.info/owncloud-4-released-install-owncloud-on-ubuntu-12-04
>>>>>>> /
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Terminal alert: You are going to have to key in a few lines on the
>>>>>> terminal
>>>>>>> (command line interface) But Alt-Ctrl-T, cut and paste from the web
>>>> site
>>>>>>> should be as hard as it gets.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Note you will need Apache, MySQL and PHP5 for the base setup. Though
>>>> the
>>>>>>> install from the website might be very straight forward it might be
>>>> best
>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> take no chances and previously install the latest greatest versions
>> of
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> pre-requisites:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> sudo apt-get install taskel
>>>>>>> sudo taskel install lamp-server
>>>>>>> sudo apt-get install php5-curl
>>>>>>> sudo apt-get install php5-gd
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Now you are good to start with the suggested installation method and
>> if
>>>>>> you
>>>>>>> are using the Ubuntu 12.04 Linux.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Oh yes and most important. You have clients for Windows and Mac as
>> well
>>>>>> as
>>>>>>> Linux...and for the cherry on the cake...the clients runs on all your
>>>>>>> mobiles too.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Jim
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> dba-Tech mailing list
>>>>>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>>>>>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>>>>>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> dba-Tech mailing list
>>>>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>>>>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>>>>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> dba-Tech mailing list
>>>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>>>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>>>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>>> 
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> dba-Tech mailing list
>>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> dba-Tech mailing list
>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sat Mar  9 15:53:30 2013
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2013 07:53:30 +1000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Curious question
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1gExqTZKxiRphRCtrCz95fPN+aNkFwwtuJ-ANQM2ScKyA@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <513BAF5A.22006.99D4597D@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Not strange,  Jim is talking about earlier versions of Windows 

It's on permanently  in Win 7 for NTFS disks. - that's how  "Previous Versions" : and System 
Restore Points work now.  

-- 
Stuart


On 9 Mar 2013 at 12:22, Arthur Fuller wrote:

> This is getting stranger. I don't have that tab either.
> Tabs I do have:
> Row 1: Security, Previous Versions, Quota, Customize
> Row 2: General, Tools, Hardware, Sharing
> Maybe I should put on the soundtrack to Psycho....
> A,
> 
> 
> On Sat, Mar 9, 2013 at 11:35 AM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
> 
> > It should be under the system protection tab.
> >
> > Jim
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
> > Sent: Friday, March 08, 2013 11:15 PM
> > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Curious question
> >
> > I can't find a shadow copy tab in the properties dialog. Windows 7 sp1.
> >
> > I'll do some googling.
> >
> > A.
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Mar 9, 2013 at 12:28 AM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Arthur:
> > >
> > > If you have "shadow copy" turned on for the specific drive then you can
> > > backup all files regardless of how they are being used.
> > >
> > > Explorer > Drive > right-mouse-click > properties > shadow copies tab and
> > > it
> > > will show you whether your drive's shadow copy is enabled or not. If it
> > is
> > > enabled then and backup system that used shadow copy technology can
> > backup
> > > the current drive regardless of the state of the files. The following is
> > a
> > > free program that uses this in its backup method.
> > >
> > > http://www.runtime.org/shadow-copy.htm
> > >
> > > HTH
> > > Jim
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur
> > Fuller
> > > Sent: Friday, March 08, 2013 8:15 PM
> > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> > > Subject: [dba-Tech] Curious question
> > >
> > > I'm just curious. How do backup programs get access to files that are in
> > > use? You might have anything running, a database server, etc. So how do
> > > they deal with that?
> > >
> > > TIA,
> > > --
> > > Arthur
> > > Cell: 647.710.1314
> > >
> > > Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
> > >   -- Niels Bohr
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > dba-Tech mailing list
> > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
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> >
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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Sun Mar 10 05:50:58 2013
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2013 11:50:58 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] A Better Keyboard?
Message-ID: <s13c73af.031@cactus.dk>

Hi Dan

Strange. We had one - for one of my fast-typing colleagues - and it has been disappointing. The white letters wear off and the lower key row is separated between B and N and not V and B as is should be. I do blind typing as well, and must admit this is very confusing.

/gustav 

>>> marklbreen at gmail.com 09-03-13 19:55 >>>
Hi Dan,

yes, the MS 4000 is a fantastic keyboard, I would purchase a mechanical kbd
but I love the layout and the raised front of the MS 4000 so much that I
cannot switch.

My wife works for HP and I bought her the MS 4000 kbd and a really nice
Logitech mouse.  She tells me that when her colleagues come to her desk and
see the fancy keyboard and mouse they all say "ooo, how did you get that
hardware" :)


From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Sun Mar 10 07:41:11 2013
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2013 08:41:11 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Curious question
In-Reply-To: <513BAF5A.22006.99D4597D@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <CAEPJO1gSi=ntW9xAeF5KThktYrrOmP0=FXMPCcnCyReeQw_Orw@mail.gmail.com>
	<16E3C5161EC8452A97F62B309A01EE25@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<CAEPJO1gExqTZKxiRphRCtrCz95fPN+aNkFwwtuJ-ANQM2ScKyA@mail.gmail.com>
	<513BAF5A.22006.99D4597D@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1gMSYOLvDrDyMRyhzga+sN=JiSU0aZVnsQEiPtrY71Tmg@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for clearing that up, Stuart. I was beginning to think I was losing
my mind.

A.


From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Sun Mar 10 07:48:22 2013
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2013 08:48:22 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: Churchillian
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1i_xzCaN94mKYc8rF_FLLPfLpQvexgS2XuVt1scs-5iCA@mail.gmail.com>

There are numerous variants on this famous exchange, but here is one:

Sir, if you were my husband, I would poison your drink.
--Lady Astor to Winston Churchill
Madam, if you were my wife, I would drink it.
-- His reply

-- 
Arthur
Cell: 647.710.1314

Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
  -- Niels Bohr

From accessd at shaw.ca  Sun Mar 10 12:45:04 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2013 10:45:04 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] How to work with Windows8
In-Reply-To: <513BAF5A.22006.99D4597D@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <CAEPJO1gSi=ntW9xAeF5KThktYrrOmP0=FXMPCcnCyReeQw_Orw@mail.gmail.com>,
	<16E3C5161EC8452A97F62B309A01EE25@creativesystemdesigns.com>,
	<CAEPJO1gExqTZKxiRphRCtrCz95fPN+aNkFwwtuJ-ANQM2ScKyA@mail.gmail.com>
	<513BAF5A.22006.99D4597D@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <23F8FB3193014FF2A43BCD0ADDF38148@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Hi All:

One of the DBA members posted this but I thought it is worthy of reposting
and it will help all those who have no choice but to accept Windows 8 and do
not have a touch screen or just want to slide slowly and painlessly into
Windows 8. 

http://reviews.cnet.co.uk/software-and-web-apps/how-to-make-windows-8-look-l
ike-windows-7-50009546/

Hope this helps someone.

Jim


From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Sun Mar 10 16:04:21 2013
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2013 14:04:21 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] How to work with Windows8
In-Reply-To: <23F8FB3193014FF2A43BCD0ADDF38148@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <CAEPJO1gSi=ntW9xAeF5KThktYrrOmP0=FXMPCcnCyReeQw_Orw@mail.gmail.com>
	<16E3C5161EC8452A97F62B309A01EE25@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<CAEPJO1gExqTZKxiRphRCtrCz95fPN+aNkFwwtuJ-ANQM2ScKyA@mail.gmail.com>
	<513BAF5A.22006.99D4597D@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<23F8FB3193014FF2A43BCD0ADDF38148@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <363AD257-EADC-459F-93D5-22BCE8310B13@phulse.com>

This is useful to someone who is forced to use Win8 now. But, serious question, doesn't messing with the defaults like this lead to a messy system? It has the potential to make the system like stable and, whenever Microsoft pushes out an update (minor or major, like a service pack), it could also lead to breakage?

- Hans


On 2013-03-10, at 10:45 AM, "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> Hi All:
> 
> One of the DBA members posted this but I thought it is worthy of reposting
> and it will help all those who have no choice but to accept Windows 8 and do
> not have a touch screen or just want to slide slowly and painlessly into
> Windows 8. 
> 
> http://reviews.cnet.co.uk/software-and-web-apps/how-to-make-windows-8-look-l
> ike-windows-7-50009546/
> 
> Hope this helps someone.
> 
> Jim
> 
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From jon.tydda at lonza.com  Mon Mar 11 05:07:35 2013
From: jon.tydda at lonza.com (Tydda Jon - Lonza Slough)
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2013 11:07:35 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Douglas Adams' birthday
Message-ID: <2495B56EE0CF824A99F14B2492C85E5D05BDE78E@CHVEX07.lonzagroup.net>

I hope everyone has a chance to check out today's Google Doodle. And don't forget your towel!

So long, and thanks for all the fish.


Jon



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From gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Mar 11 08:53:38 2013
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2013 14:53:38 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] VbScript: Close applications and wait
Message-ID: <00c401ce1e5f$d53156f0$7f9404d0$@cactus.dk>

Hi all

It took some efforts to find out how to do this: Close some applications by
their Windows title gracefully (=close, not terminate) and - but not before
they are closed - move on.
So here is how should you ever have the need :

<vbscript>
  Call KillTask("Some application title")
  Call KillTask("Some other application title")
  Call AwaitProcess("taskkill.exe")
  Call RunApp("<file name of registered application like: MyApp.mdb>")

' Supporting subfunctions
' -----------------------

Sub RunApp(ByVal strFile)

  Dim objShell

  Set objShell = CreateObject("WScript.Shell")
  objShell.Run Chr(34) & strFile & Chr(34), 1, False
  Set objShell = Nothing

End Sub


Sub KillTask(ByVal strWindowTitle)

  Dim objShell

  Set objShell = CreateObject("WScript.Shell")
  objShell.Run "TaskKill.exe /FI ""WINDOWTITLE eq " & strWindowTitle & """",
7, False
  Set objShell = Nothing

End Sub


Sub AwaitProcess(ByVal strProcess)

  Dim objSvc
  Dim strQuery
  Dim colProcess
  Dim intCount

  Set objSvc = GetObject("winmgmts:root\cimv2")
  strQuery = "select * from win32_process where name='" & strProcess & "'"

  Do 
    Set colProcess = objSvc.Execquery(strQuery)
    intCount = colProcess.Count
    If intCount > 0 Then
      ' Wait a split second before checking again.
      WScript.Sleep 300
    End If
  Loop Until intCount = 0

  Set colProcess = Nothing
  Set objSvc = Nothing

End Sub
</vbscript>

/gustav


From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Mar 11 10:32:16 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2013 08:32:16 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Douglas Adams' birthday
In-Reply-To: <2495B56EE0CF824A99F14B2492C85E5D05BDE78E@CHVEX07.lonzagroup.net>
References: <2495B56EE0CF824A99F14B2492C85E5D05BDE78E@CHVEX07.lonzagroup.net>
Message-ID: <B3FF0BF066A54F658AE72F43BC1DBF33@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Excellent...one of their best. :-)

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tydda Jon -
Lonza Slough
Sent: Monday, March 11, 2013 3:08 AM
To: Dba-Tech (dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Douglas Adams' birthday

I hope everyone has a chance to check out today's Google Doodle. And don't
forget your towel!

So long, and thanks for all the fish.


Jon



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From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Mar 11 10:39:39 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2013 08:39:39 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] How to work with Windows8
In-Reply-To: <363AD257-EADC-459F-93D5-22BCE8310B13@phulse.com>
References: <CAEPJO1gSi=ntW9xAeF5KThktYrrOmP0=FXMPCcnCyReeQw_Orw@mail.gmail.com><16E3C5161EC8452A97F62B309A01EE25@creativesystemdesigns.com><CAEPJO1gExqTZKxiRphRCtrCz95fPN+aNkFwwtuJ-ANQM2ScKyA@mail.gmail.com><513BAF5A.22006.99D4597D@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg><23F8FB3193014FF2A43BCD0ADDF38148@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<363AD257-EADC-459F-93D5-22BCE8310B13@phulse.com>
Message-ID: <30265D3911A1431DB170B9E01B4A11D4@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Hi Hans:

It changes the cosmetic defaults but that should have no impact core design,
intent or performance. They are little more than "Window dressing".

It fact such "modifications" might be encouraged especially if the results
are an acceptance into the business world which the current interface has so
far discouraged...

Jim 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hans-Christian
Andersen
Sent: Sunday, March 10, 2013 2:04 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] How to work with Windows8

This is useful to someone who is forced to use Win8 now. But, serious
question, doesn't messing with the defaults like this lead to a messy
system? It has the potential to make the system like stable and, whenever
Microsoft pushes out an update (minor or major, like a service pack), it
could also lead to breakage?

- Hans


On 2013-03-10, at 10:45 AM, "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> Hi All:
> 
> One of the DBA members posted this but I thought it is worthy of reposting
> and it will help all those who have no choice but to accept Windows 8 and
do
> not have a touch screen or just want to slide slowly and painlessly into
> Windows 8. 
> 
>
http://reviews.cnet.co.uk/software-and-web-apps/how-to-make-windows-8-look-l
> ike-windows-7-50009546/
> 
> Hope this helps someone.
> 
> Jim
> 
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
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> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Mar 11 11:10:22 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2013 09:10:22 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] VbScript: Close applications and wait
In-Reply-To: <00c401ce1e5f$d53156f0$7f9404d0$@cactus.dk>
References: <00c401ce1e5f$d53156f0$7f9404d0$@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <3A9BFC9D2E4A4202BB2119464702DE04@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Hi Gustav:

That is a very good list. Have used the RunApp call before but have not used
the other three. 

Thanks for posting.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Monday, March 11, 2013 6:54 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: [dba-Tech] VbScript: Close applications and wait

Hi all

It took some efforts to find out how to do this: Close some applications by
their Windows title gracefully (=close, not terminate) and - but not before
they are closed - move on.
So here is how should you ever have the need :

<vbscript>
  Call KillTask("Some application title")
  Call KillTask("Some other application title")
  Call AwaitProcess("taskkill.exe")
  Call RunApp("<file name of registered application like: MyApp.mdb>")

' Supporting subfunctions
' -----------------------

Sub RunApp(ByVal strFile)

  Dim objShell

  Set objShell = CreateObject("WScript.Shell")
  objShell.Run Chr(34) & strFile & Chr(34), 1, False
  Set objShell = Nothing

End Sub


Sub KillTask(ByVal strWindowTitle)

  Dim objShell

  Set objShell = CreateObject("WScript.Shell")
  objShell.Run "TaskKill.exe /FI ""WINDOWTITLE eq " & strWindowTitle & """",
7, False
  Set objShell = Nothing

End Sub


Sub AwaitProcess(ByVal strProcess)

  Dim objSvc
  Dim strQuery
  Dim colProcess
  Dim intCount

  Set objSvc = GetObject("winmgmts:root\cimv2")
  strQuery = "select * from win32_process where name='" & strProcess & "'"

  Do 
    Set colProcess = objSvc.Execquery(strQuery)
    intCount = colProcess.Count
    If intCount > 0 Then
      ' Wait a split second before checking again.
      WScript.Sleep 300
    End If
  Loop Until intCount = 0

  Set colProcess = Nothing
  Set objSvc = Nothing

End Sub
</vbscript>

/gustav

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Mar 11 11:28:46 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2013 09:28:46 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Do users want to buy or rent software
In-Reply-To: <00c401ce1e5f$d53156f0$7f9404d0$@cactus.dk>
References: <00c401ce1e5f$d53156f0$7f9404d0$@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <EC502AA578FF4A829C29BF254BA9A566@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Here is an interesting poll. It has already been published and the current
results, so far, are:

Weekly Poll Results of:
Do you prefer to buy or rent software?
Survey period: 11 Mar 2013 to 18 Mar 2013

Pay a one-time $50 charge or pay $5 a month - but only on the months you
need it. Which model works best for you?

Option Votes %   
I prefer to pay once and own forever: 			52.60  
I use the model that ends up cheaper for me:		15.58  
I prefer to pay only when I'm using the software: 	08.77  
It depends:
18.18  
I have no preference:						04.87  
Total: 308					   		     100.00


This week's survey: Do you prefer to buy or rent software?

...And you can add to this MS poll:
http://www.codeproject.com/script/Surveys/VoteForm.aspx?srvid=1428

Jim


From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Mar 11 12:16:33 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2013 10:16:33 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] What if Microsoft...
In-Reply-To: <00c401ce1e5f$d53156f0$7f9404d0$@cactus.dk>
References: <00c401ce1e5f$d53156f0$7f9404d0$@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <9098BC8516244E0AA91B7B0D4270A039@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Hi All:

Here is a link to a thoughtful discussion on the routes that Microsoft could
have or should have not taken in their evolution of Windows 8.

http://hal2020.com/2013/03/07/what-if-microsoft-had-done-windows-8-different
ly/

Jim


From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon Mar 11 12:29:29 2013
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2013 10:29:29 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] What if Microsoft...
In-Reply-To: <9098BC8516244E0AA91B7B0D4270A039@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <00c401ce1e5f$d53156f0$7f9404d0$@cactus.dk>
	<9098BC8516244E0AA91B7B0D4270A039@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <ACB82B75AC994A18B014A28A6C1A9F55@HAL9007>

"What if Microsoft had kept tablet support separate from desktop
Windows?...Windows Desktop would have been more of a 7.5 product, combining
the underlying architectural improvements in Windows 8 (faster boot, Secure
Boot, better multi-monitor support, SmartScreen, etc.) with minor tweaks to
the Windows 7 desktop UI experience and Win32."

But then why would anyone upgrade to W7.5?

R
 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Monday, March 11, 2013 10:17 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: [dba-Tech] What if Microsoft...

Hi All:

Here is a link to a thoughtful discussion on the routes that Microsoft could
have or should have not taken in their evolution of Windows 8.

http://hal2020.com/2013/03/07/what-if-microsoft-had-done-windows-8-different
ly/

Jim

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From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Mon Mar 11 12:46:13 2013
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2013 10:46:13 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] What if Microsoft...
In-Reply-To: <ACB82B75AC994A18B014A28A6C1A9F55@HAL9007>
References: <00c401ce1e5f$d53156f0$7f9404d0$@cactus.dk>
	<9098BC8516244E0AA91B7B0D4270A039@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<ACB82B75AC994A18B014A28A6C1A9F55@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <BA463FCD-0ABE-4CB1-B42C-F09289554B99@phulse.com>

For the same reasons users upgraded from vista and xp to windows 7 perhaps? Or Microsoft could do as apple does, which is yearly releases (for much cheaper), rather than big releases even 3+ years. In fact, I think I read somewhere that this is, in fact, what Microsoft wants to do now.

Also, another point to make is that most users don't actually care to upgrade their version of windows when a new one comes out (probably because upgrades are too expensive or they aren't that technical of a user). They tend to just buy a new machine when they need to and take whatever OS is pre-installed with it. So that's something to take into consideration.

- Hans


On 2013-03-11, at 10:29 AM, "Rocky Smolin" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:

> "What if Microsoft had kept tablet support separate from desktop
> Windows?...Windows Desktop would have been more of a 7.5 product, combining
> the underlying architectural improvements in Windows 8 (faster boot, Secure
> Boot, better multi-monitor support, SmartScreen, etc.) with minor tweaks to
> the Windows 7 desktop UI experience and Win32."
> 
> But then why would anyone upgrade to W7.5?
> 
> R
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
> Sent: Monday, March 11, 2013 10:17 AM
> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
> Subject: [dba-Tech] What if Microsoft...
> 
> Hi All:
> 
> Here is a link to a thoughtful discussion on the routes that Microsoft could
> have or should have not taken in their evolution of Windows 8.
> 
> http://hal2020.com/2013/03/07/what-if-microsoft-had-done-windows-8-different
> ly/
> 
> Jim
> 
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
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> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 
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From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Mon Mar 11 16:22:57 2013
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2013 17:22:57 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] What if Microsoft...
In-Reply-To: <BA463FCD-0ABE-4CB1-B42C-F09289554B99@phulse.com>
References: <00c401ce1e5f$d53156f0$7f9404d0$@cactus.dk>
	<9098BC8516244E0AA91B7B0D4270A039@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<ACB82B75AC994A18B014A28A6C1A9F55@HAL9007>
	<BA463FCD-0ABE-4CB1-B42C-F09289554B99@phulse.com>
Message-ID: <513E4B31.50703@torchlake.com>

I know I don't generally buy a new version of software until it has been 
around for about 18 months. Let someone else pay for the privilege of 
being the beta-testing lab.  I'll wait until the sucker is stable!
T

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
231-322-2787

On 3/11/2013 1:46 PM, Hans-Christian Andersen wrote:
> For the same reasons users upgraded from vista and xp to windows 7 perhaps? Or Microsoft could do as apple does, which is yearly releases (for much cheaper), rather than big releases even 3+ years. In fact, I think I read somewhere that this is, in fact, what Microsoft wants to do now.
>
> Also, another point to make is that most users don't actually care to upgrade their version of windows when a new one comes out (probably because upgrades are too expensive or they aren't that technical of a user). They tend to just buy a new machine when they need to and take whatever OS is pre-installed with it. So that's something to take into consideration.
>
> - Hans
>
>


From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Mon Mar 11 17:09:12 2013
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2013 15:09:12 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] What if Microsoft...
In-Reply-To: <513E4B31.50703@torchlake.com>
References: <00c401ce1e5f$d53156f0$7f9404d0$@cactus.dk>
	<9098BC8516244E0AA91B7B0D4270A039@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<ACB82B75AC994A18B014A28A6C1A9F55@HAL9007>
	<BA463FCD-0ABE-4CB1-B42C-F09289554B99@phulse.com>
	<513E4B31.50703@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <7990BAE3-0236-4E1E-9D85-6EBC341DDE57@phulse.com>

That's a wise thing to do, although I would argue this is less of an issue when the software vendor does rolling releases. They are less likely to make sudden large, breaking changes.

- Hans


On 2013-03-11, at 2:22 PM, Tina Norris Fields <tinanfields at torchlake.com> wrote:

> I know I don't generally buy a new version of software until it has been around for about 18 months. Let someone else pay for the privilege of being the beta-testing lab.  I'll wait until the sucker is stable!
> T
> 
> Tina Norris Fields
> tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
> 231-322-2787
> 
> On 3/11/2013 1:46 PM, Hans-Christian Andersen wrote:
>> For the same reasons users upgraded from vista and xp to windows 7 perhaps? Or Microsoft could do as apple does, which is yearly releases (for much cheaper), rather than big releases even 3+ years. In fact, I think I read somewhere that this is, in fact, what Microsoft wants to do now.
>> 
>> Also, another point to make is that most users don't actually care to upgrade their version of windows when a new one comes out (probably because upgrades are too expensive or they aren't that technical of a user). They tend to just buy a new machine when they need to and take whatever OS is pre-installed with it. So that's something to take into consideration.
>> 
>> - Hans
>> 
>> 
> 
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Mar 12 03:14:33 2013
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2013 09:14:33 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] What if Microsoft...
Message-ID: <004601ce1ef9$a0c3ce80$e24b6b80$@cactus.dk>

Hi Hans

Yes, Windows 8 has been stable since the Developer prerelease was published.

The major difference was missing features. 

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Hans-Christian
Andersen
Sendt: 11. marts 2013 23:09
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] What if Microsoft...

That's a wise thing to do, although I would argue this is less of an issue
when the software vendor does rolling releases. They are less likely to make
sudden large, breaking changes.

- Hans


On 2013-03-11, at 2:22 PM, Tina Norris Fields <tinanfields at torchlake.com>
wrote:

> I know I don't generally buy a new version of software until it has been
around for about 18 months. Let someone else pay for the privilege of being
the beta-testing lab.  I'll wait until the sucker is stable!
> T
> 
> Tina Norris Fields
> tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
> 231-322-2787 



From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Tue Mar 12 03:23:53 2013
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2013 01:23:53 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] What if Microsoft...
In-Reply-To: <004601ce1ef9$a0c3ce80$e24b6b80$@cactus.dk>
References: <004601ce1ef9$a0c3ce80$e24b6b80$@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <12F4DAD6-650F-45B8-AAF3-CA9FE9ABAAC2@phulse.com>

The concern isn't the OS, but the critical applications that run on them.

- Hans

On 2013-03-12, at 1:14 AM, "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Hi Hans
> 
> Yes, Windows 8 has been stable since the Developer prerelease was published.
> 
> The major difference was missing features. 
> 
> /gustav
> 
> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Hans-Christian
> Andersen
> Sendt: 11. marts 2013 23:09
> Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] What if Microsoft...
> 
> That's a wise thing to do, although I would argue this is less of an issue
> when the software vendor does rolling releases. They are less likely to make
> sudden large, breaking changes.
> 
> - Hans
> 
> 
> On 2013-03-11, at 2:22 PM, Tina Norris Fields <tinanfields at torchlake.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> I know I don't generally buy a new version of software until it has been
> around for about 18 months. Let someone else pay for the privilege of being
> the beta-testing lab.  I'll wait until the sucker is stable!
>> T
>> 
>> Tina Norris Fields
>> tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
>> 231-322-2787 
> 
> 
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Mar 12 03:47:11 2013
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2013 09:47:11 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] What if Microsoft...
Message-ID: <005301ce1efe$2fbbdb10$8f339130$@cactus.dk>

Hi Hans

Oh, I couldn't read that from the comment, sorry.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Hans-Christian
Andersen
Sendt: 12. marts 2013 09:24
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] What if Microsoft...

The concern isn't the OS, but the critical applications that run on them.

- Hans

On 2013-03-12, at 1:14 AM, "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Hi Hans
> 
> Yes, Windows 8 has been stable since the Developer prerelease was
published.
> 
> The major difference was missing features. 
> 
> /gustav
> 
> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af 
> Hans-Christian Andersen
> Sendt: 11. marts 2013 23:09
> Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] What if Microsoft...
> 
> That's a wise thing to do, although I would argue this is less of an 
> issue when the software vendor does rolling releases. They are less 
> likely to make sudden large, breaking changes.
> 
> - Hans
> 
> 
> On 2013-03-11, at 2:22 PM, Tina Norris Fields 
> <tinanfields at torchlake.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> I know I don't generally buy a new version of software until it has 
>> been around for about 18 months. Let someone else pay for the privilege
of 
> being the beta-testing lab.  I'll wait until the sucker is stable!
>> T
>> 
>> Tina Norris Fields
>> tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
>> 231-322-2787 



From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Mar 12 11:50:44 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2013 09:50:44 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Browser choices
In-Reply-To: <00c401ce1e5f$d53156f0$7f9404d0$@cactus.dk>
References: <00c401ce1e5f$d53156f0$7f9404d0$@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <06FF9FEE226C4C88B4658E7D17563BE2@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Hi All:

The browser choices are becoming more difficult. 

IE, according to what the pundits are saying is now stable, fast and
reliable but it only runs on the latest versions of Windows and is not
cross-platform. (Later this more month I will do a thorough test...if I ever
get out from under this damn project I am on.)

Chrome is always fast as usual but talk about bloat...I am sure the browser
gets performance via using as much memory as possible. Good news is that it
is fast and runs on all platforms. Bad news is I feel like a product when I
am using it...so many ads.

Safari is a cute product; somewhere in the middle, not very innovative and
does what you want but does not run on Linux just like Opera and IE.

That leaves FireFox. I have been using it more lately as it runs on
everything out there, comes with an extensive list of feature, the
application is very innovative...leading with latest and greatest (which is
even keeping Google running to keep up), loads a lot faster than before,
does not eat all the memory, has real protection and I don't have to feel
like a product when I am using it.

Someone else is feeling the same way and here is a link to their blog
article on the subject.

http://www.campaul.net/blog/2013/03/10/why-im-switching-back-to-firefox/

Jim


From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Mar 12 11:56:50 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2013 09:56:50 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Another vision of Windows 8
In-Reply-To: <00c401ce1e5f$d53156f0$7f9404d0$@cactus.dk>
References: <00c401ce1e5f$d53156f0$7f9404d0$@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <BE33037F23104FF9A215622184FC5212@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Hi All:

If you have either been forced to use Windows 8, because you just replace
those old boxes or want to dabble and just don't want to have to make the
transition; the ten meter diving board scenario, maybe the following product
might be for you.

http://www.theverge.com/2013/3/6/4071720/modernmix-windows-8-resize-apps-for
-desktop-mode

Jim 


From peter.brawley at earthlink.net  Tue Mar 12 12:02:10 2013
From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley)
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2013 12:02:10 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Browser choices
In-Reply-To: <06FF9FEE226C4C88B4658E7D17563BE2@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <00c401ce1e5f$d53156f0$7f9404d0$@cactus.dk>
	<06FF9FEE226C4C88B4658E7D17563BE2@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <513F5F92.1080409@earthlink.net>


On 2013-03-12 11:50 AM, Jim Lawrence wrote:
> Hi All:
>
> The browser choices are becoming more difficult.
>
> IE, according to what the pundits are saying is now stable, fast and
> reliable but it only runs on the latest versions of Windows

So it's out for me 'cept for sites that require it 9and fortunately 
there are fewer of those).

> and is not
> cross-platform. (Later this more month I will do a thorough test...if I ever
> get out from under this damn project I am on.)
>
> Chrome is always fast as usual

And sync across so many platforms is terrific.
> but talk about bloat...I am sure the browser
> gets performance via using as much memory as possible. Good news is that it
> is fast and runs on all platforms. Bad news is I feel like a product when I
> am using it...so many ads.

Yep.
>
> Safari is a cute product; somewhere in the middle, not very innovative and
> does what you want but does not run on Linux just like Opera and IE.
>
> That leaves FireFox. I have been using it more lately as it runs on
> everything out there, comes with an extensive list of feature, the
> application is very innovative...leading with latest and greatest (which is
> even keeping Google running to keep up), loads a lot faster than before,
> does not eat all the memory, has real protection and I don't have to feel
> like a product when I am using it.

FireFox's use of SQLite to store bookmarks & history makes for l-o-n-g 
delays. Not a nice way to waste time.

PB

-----

>
> Someone else is feeling the same way and here is a link to their blog
> article on the subject.
>
> http://www.campaul.net/blog/2013/03/10/why-im-switching-back-to-firefox/
>
> Jim
>
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Mar 12 12:03:45 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2013 10:03:45 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] A new CPU design
In-Reply-To: <BE33037F23104FF9A215622184FC5212@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <00c401ce1e5f$d53156f0$7f9404d0$@cactus.dk>
	<BE33037F23104FF9A215622184FC5212@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <C9E3F66B2D3B4D91AD137593A8E77F84@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Hi All:

Whether this new CPU will change the world, as they say, is left to be seen
but it is using a innovative design and maybe our old Intels and knock-offs
are stuck down a one way street, with only the possibilty of adding more
cores. 

The following to say the least is very interesting.

http://www.fpgarelated.com/showarticle/44.php

Jim 


From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Tue Mar 12 13:15:56 2013
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2013 11:15:56 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] What if Microsoft...
In-Reply-To: <005301ce1efe$2fbbdb10$8f339130$@cactus.dk>
References: <005301ce1efe$2fbbdb10$8f339130$@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <73056FA2-C5CB-4599-B366-492C0A124F81@phulse.com>

No worries. I can't speak for Tina, but that is what I meant. I personally would believe that Microsoft is able to push out a stable and well tested kernel and OS. Everyone else who writes software and drivers on top of windows.... Not so much :)

- Hans


On 2013-03-12, at 1:47 AM, "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Hi Hans
> 
> Oh, I couldn't read that from the comment, sorry.
> 
> /gustav
> 
> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Hans-Christian
> Andersen
> Sendt: 12. marts 2013 09:24
> Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] What if Microsoft...
> 
> The concern isn't the OS, but the critical applications that run on them.
> 
> - Hans
> 
> On 2013-03-12, at 1:14 AM, "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
> 
>> Hi Hans
>> 
>> Yes, Windows 8 has been stable since the Developer prerelease was
> published.
>> 
>> The major difference was missing features. 
>> 
>> /gustav
>> 
>> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
>> Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af 
>> Hans-Christian Andersen
>> Sendt: 11. marts 2013 23:09
>> Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>> Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] What if Microsoft...
>> 
>> That's a wise thing to do, although I would argue this is less of an 
>> issue when the software vendor does rolling releases. They are less 
>> likely to make sudden large, breaking changes.
>> 
>> - Hans
>> 
>> 
>> On 2013-03-11, at 2:22 PM, Tina Norris Fields 
>> <tinanfields at torchlake.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> I know I don't generally buy a new version of software until it has 
>>> been around for about 18 months. Let someone else pay for the privilege
> of 
>> being the beta-testing lab.  I'll wait until the sucker is stable!
>>> T
>>> 
>>> Tina Norris Fields
>>> tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
>>> 231-322-2787
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com


From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Tue Mar 12 13:32:04 2013
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2013 11:32:04 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Talk: Programming is terrible - Lessons learned from a
	life wasted
Message-ID: <CAFj0BAyP=Y1N8Ktdsg+D9eEnMJG+EbbiK2zaYfvVn9B8WW_YKQ@mail.gmail.com>

Enjoy :)

*
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=csyL9EC0S0c

- Hans
*

From ssharkins at gmail.com  Tue Mar 12 14:00:42 2013
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2013 15:00:42 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Technical discussion
Message-ID: <91B4BB28C7E947FDB7142492F1C1377B@SusanHarkins>

What do you guys know about open-platform simulators?  In particular, I'm 
interested in the hypergrid or metaverse. Is it the next wave?

Susan H. 


From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Mar 12 14:00:53 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2013 12:00:53 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Talk: Programming is terrible - Lessons learned from
	alife wasted
In-Reply-To: <CAFj0BAyP=Y1N8Ktdsg+D9eEnMJG+EbbiK2zaYfvVn9B8WW_YKQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFj0BAyP=Y1N8Ktdsg+D9eEnMJG+EbbiK2zaYfvVn9B8WW_YKQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1A637200890A47AFBCE15BCF3E329F54@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Hi Hans:

Love it... Been there and still there not liable to escape.

Jim 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hans-Christian
Andersen
Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 11:32 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] Talk: Programming is terrible - Lessons learned from
alife wasted

Enjoy :)

*
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=csyL9EC0S0c

- Hans
*
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From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Tue Mar 12 14:37:25 2013
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2013 15:37:25 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] What if Microsoft...
In-Reply-To: <73056FA2-C5CB-4599-B366-492C0A124F81@phulse.com>
References: <005301ce1efe$2fbbdb10$8f339130$@cactus.dk>
	<73056FA2-C5CB-4599-B366-492C0A124F81@phulse.com>
Message-ID: <513F83F5.40705@torchlake.com>

My practice stems from my experience when Windows XP was new.  I bought 
a new laptop computer just before WinXP was launched.  It came with an 
upgrade certificate to be redeemed when WinXP became available.  So, 
pretty much as soon as WinXP was out, I redeemed my upgrade 
certificate.  That was an amazing adventure!  I got the upgrade done and 
was pretty pleased with the new OS at first.  Started using it right 
away - was working with a client to remodel a database.  In that 
client's office, WinXP died, leaving me with what they call a "white 
screen."  It was clearly powered and illuminated, not black, but also 
not functioning at all.

I spent several hours on the phone with tech support at Dell to get the 
necessary updates to the video controller and the computer BIOS - all of 
which had to be done in a particular sequence. Finally got it done after 
basically one full work week of hardware and software analysis and 
careful installation.  It wasn't long before SP1 was issued - then SP2 - 
then SP3 with warnings.  Oh, please!  After all was said and done, WinXP 
became a beautifully stable and useful OS.  Just about then, Vista was 
launched.  Now Win7 is stable, Vista is disgraced, XP is still stable 
and grand but no longer supported by Microsoft.  I'm working with one 
Win7 computer and three WinXP computers in my office right now.

I've had a peek at Win8 and so far, I am not a fan.

On campus, our IT department does not roll out the next version of 
Windows or the Office Suite until about 18 months have gone by, the 
software has had sufficient updates to actually be stable and most of 
the bugs worked out.  Why?  Well, because we need to be able to depend 
on our computers, that's why.  Having our printers suddenly not 
functional because of a new version of the OS or some incompatibility 
introduced by the Office Suite, just isn't acceptable.  I take that same 
attitude in my home office.  Dang! I can't afford to suddenly be out of 
commission because of an unanticipated bug in a new version of 
software.  So, I do actually have concerns about the OS stability, as 
well as the other applications that are suddenly broken by the new OS.

<rant mode on>
Is Microsoft capable of putting out a stable product?  Oh, most 
certainly!  But, in their rush to market, they seem to me not to do so.  
They wait for the beta-testing feedback from their more adventurous or 
"gotta be first" customers, then produce the needed service packs to fix 
the problems.  What's a completely stable OS with no bugs called?  Obsolete!
</rant mode off>

T

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
231-322-2787

On 3/12/2013 2:15 PM, Hans-Christian Andersen wrote:
> No worries. I can't speak for Tina, but that is what I meant. I personally would believe that Microsoft is able to push out a stable and well tested kernel and OS. Everyone else who writes software and drivers on top of windows.... Not so much :)
>
> - Hans
>
>
> On 2013-03-12, at 1:47 AM, "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
>
>> Hi Hans
>>
>> Oh, I couldn't read that from the comment, sorry.
>>
>> /gustav
>>
>> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
>> Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Hans-Christian
>> Andersen
>> Sendt: 12. marts 2013 09:24
>> Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>> Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] What if Microsoft...
>>
>> The concern isn't the OS, but the critical applications that run on them.
>>
>> - Hans
>>
>> On 2013-03-12, at 1:14 AM, "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Hans
>>>
>>> Yes, Windows 8 has been stable since the Developer prerelease was
>> published.
>>> The major difference was missing features.
>>>
>>> /gustav
>>>
>>>


From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Tue Mar 12 14:38:30 2013
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2013 23:38:30 +0400
Subject: [dba-Tech]
 =?utf-8?q?Talk=3A_Programming_is_terrible_-_Lessons_le?=
 =?utf-8?q?arned_from_alife_wasted?=
In-Reply-To: <1A637200890A47AFBCE15BCF3E329F54@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <CAFj0BAyP=Y1N8Ktdsg+D9eEnMJG+EbbiK2zaYfvVn9B8WW_YKQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<1A637200890A47AFBCE15BCF3E329F54@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <1363117110.819280656@f387.i.mail.ru>

 Yes, "r eally, the biggest mistake I make in programming is optimism." :)

-- Shamil


???????, 12 ????? 2013, 12:00 -07:00 ?? "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca>:
>Hi Hans:
>
>Love it... Been there and still there not liable to escape.
>
>Jim 
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From:  dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hans-Christian
>Andersen
>Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 11:32 AM
>To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>Subject: [dba-Tech] Talk: Programming is terrible - Lessons learned from
>alife wasted
>
>Enjoy :)
>
>*
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=csyL9EC0S0c
>
>- Hans
>*
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Tue Mar 12 16:26:03 2013
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 07:26:03 +1000
Subject: [dba-Tech] What if Microsoft...
In-Reply-To: <513F83F5.40705@torchlake.com>
References: <005301ce1efe$2fbbdb10$8f339130$@cactus.dk>,
	<73056FA2-C5CB-4599-B366-492C0A124F81@phulse.com>,
	<513F83F5.40705@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <513F9D6B.19695.A92E2DDC@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Or  SP3?

On 12 Mar 2013 at 15:37, Tina Norris Fields wrote:

> the problems.  What's a completely stable OS with no bugs called?  Obsolete!


From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Tue Mar 12 17:18:50 2013
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2013 15:18:50 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] What if Microsoft...
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	<73056FA2-C5CB-4599-B366-492C0A124F81@phulse.com>
	<513F83F5.40705@torchlake.com>
	<513F9D6B.19695.A92E2DDC@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
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No Vista jokes? Anyone? :)

- Hans


On 2013-03-12, at 2:26 PM, "Stuart McLachlan" <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg> wrote:

> Or  SP3?
> 
> On 12 Mar 2013 at 15:37, Tina Norris Fields wrote:
> 
>> the problems.  What's a completely stable OS with no bugs called?  Obsolete!
> 
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Mar 12 21:17:54 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2013 19:17:54 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] What if Microsoft...
In-Reply-To: <513F83F5.40705@torchlake.com>
References: <005301ce1efe$2fbbdb10$8f339130$@cactus.dk><73056FA2-C5CB-4599-B366-492C0A124F81@phulse.com>
	<513F83F5.40705@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <C09C021D43E8499CB7B3CE83EC80CA74@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Hi Tina:

Just an aside... Linux may not be everyone's cup of tea but as far as
reliability is concerned it is absolutely top-drawer. There is a reason why
almost 90 percent of servers are Linux and Unix based. It is not because of
the initial cost either as if they were not stable they would not be used
regardless.

Along a similar line, FreeBSD, a version of Unix, which is the Apple kernel,
claim, they have only had two real reported errors since the 90's. All the
fighter jets, commercial air-craft, space-shuttles and unmanned space crafts
now use Linux. Linux is used everywhere where reliability is a
requirement...not an expectation.

This goes to show just how incredible the people behind the whole OSS
movement have been.

Microsoft can only dream of having a line of products of such quality in
design, maintenance and creativity. It just goes to show how well a staff
does not perform when they are under incredible pressure to produce, always
fearing being fired and have limited feed-back on successes or failures.
Money alone just can not build or buy quality...

Jim       

 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris
Fields
Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 12:37 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] What if Microsoft...

My practice stems from my experience when Windows XP was new.  I bought 
a new laptop computer just before WinXP was launched.  It came with an 
upgrade certificate to be redeemed when WinXP became available.  So, 
pretty much as soon as WinXP was out, I redeemed my upgrade 
certificate.  That was an amazing adventure!  I got the upgrade done and 
was pretty pleased with the new OS at first.  Started using it right 
away - was working with a client to remodel a database.  In that 
client's office, WinXP died, leaving me with what they call a "white 
screen."  It was clearly powered and illuminated, not black, but also 
not functioning at all.

I spent several hours on the phone with tech support at Dell to get the 
necessary updates to the video controller and the computer BIOS - all of 
which had to be done in a particular sequence. Finally got it done after 
basically one full work week of hardware and software analysis and 
careful installation.  It wasn't long before SP1 was issued - then SP2 - 
then SP3 with warnings.  Oh, please!  After all was said and done, WinXP 
became a beautifully stable and useful OS.  Just about then, Vista was 
launched.  Now Win7 is stable, Vista is disgraced, XP is still stable 
and grand but no longer supported by Microsoft.  I'm working with one 
Win7 computer and three WinXP computers in my office right now.

I've had a peek at Win8 and so far, I am not a fan.

On campus, our IT department does not roll out the next version of 
Windows or the Office Suite until about 18 months have gone by, the 
software has had sufficient updates to actually be stable and most of 
the bugs worked out.  Why?  Well, because we need to be able to depend 
on our computers, that's why.  Having our printers suddenly not 
functional because of a new version of the OS or some incompatibility 
introduced by the Office Suite, just isn't acceptable.  I take that same 
attitude in my home office.  Dang! I can't afford to suddenly be out of 
commission because of an unanticipated bug in a new version of 
software.  So, I do actually have concerns about the OS stability, as 
well as the other applications that are suddenly broken by the new OS.

<rant mode on>
Is Microsoft capable of putting out a stable product?  Oh, most 
certainly!  But, in their rush to market, they seem to me not to do so.  
They wait for the beta-testing feedback from their more adventurous or 
"gotta be first" customers, then produce the needed service packs to fix 
the problems.  What's a completely stable OS with no bugs called?  Obsolete!
</rant mode off>

T

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
231-322-2787

On 3/12/2013 2:15 PM, Hans-Christian Andersen wrote:
> No worries. I can't speak for Tina, but that is what I meant. I personally
would believe that Microsoft is able to push out a stable and well tested
kernel and OS. Everyone else who writes software and drivers on top of
windows.... Not so much :)
>
> - Hans


From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Mar 12 21:44:20 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2013 19:44:20 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] What if Microsoft...
In-Reply-To: <B92B774F-CF46-4791-807C-E4C0CD1A0823@phulse.com>
References: <005301ce1efe$2fbbdb10$8f339130$@cactus.dk><73056FA2-C5CB-4599-B366-492C0A124F81@phulse.com><513F83F5.40705@torchlake.com><513F9D6B.19695.A92E2DDC@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<B92B774F-CF46-4791-807C-E4C0CD1A0823@phulse.com>
Message-ID: <BD479971BA6148C097EC27F2C59CAA39@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Hi Hans:

I have a couple Professional Vista packages, brand new, never opened. I
wonder if I should give them to Sally Anne, and wonder whether they will
keep them, attempt to sell them or will they just throw them out? (...more
dangerous than a land-mine...) ;-)

Personally, I am now waiting for Windows 9.

Jim


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hans-Christian
Andersen
Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 3:19 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] What if Microsoft...

No Vista jokes? Anyone? :)

- Hans


On 2013-03-12, at 2:26 PM, "Stuart McLachlan" <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>
wrote:

> Or  SP3?
> 
> On 12 Mar 2013 at 15:37, Tina Norris Fields wrote:
> 
>> the problems.  What's a completely stable OS with no bugs called?
Obsolete!
> 
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Mar 12 21:46:53 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2013 19:46:53 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Talk: Programming is terrible - Lessons learned from
	alife wasted
In-Reply-To: <1363117110.819280656@f387.i.mail.ru>
References: <CAFj0BAyP=Y1N8Ktdsg+D9eEnMJG+EbbiK2zaYfvVn9B8WW_YKQ@mail.gmail.com><1A637200890A47AFBCE15BCF3E329F54@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<1363117110.819280656@f387.i.mail.ru>
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That is so fuuny and so true. :-)

The truth is; anyone who is a programmer must be an optimist; a very
stubborn optimist.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov
Shamil
Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 12:39 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Talk: Programming is terrible - Lessons learned from
alife wasted

 Yes, "r eally, the biggest mistake I make in programming is optimism." :)

-- Shamil


???????, 12 ????? 2013, 12:00 -07:00 ?? "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca>:
>Hi Hans:
>
>Love it... Been there and still there not liable to escape.
>
>Jim 
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From:  dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hans-Christian
>Andersen
>Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 11:32 AM
>To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>Subject: [dba-Tech] Talk: Programming is terrible - Lessons learned from
>alife wasted
>
>Enjoy :)
>
>*
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=csyL9EC0S0c
>
>- Hans
>*
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Mar 13 04:32:55 2013
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 10:32:55 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Talk: Programming is terrible - Lessons learned from
	alife wasted
Message-ID: <004401ce1fcd$be09c0b0$3a1d4210$@cactus.dk>

Hi Shamil

I would say: If you are a true pessimist, you'll never be a programmer.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Salakhetdinov Shamil
Sendt: 12. marts 2013 20:39
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Talk: Programming is terrible - Lessons learned from alife wasted

 Yes, "r eally, the biggest mistake I make in programming is optimism." :)

-- Shamil


???????, 12 ????? 2013, 12:00 -07:00 ?? "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca>:
>Hi Hans:
>
>Love it... Been there and still there not liable to escape.
>
>Jim
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From:  dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
>Hans-Christian Andersen
>Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 11:32 AM
>To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>Subject: [dba-Tech] Talk: Programming is terrible - Lessons learned 
>from alife wasted
>
>Enjoy :)
>
>*
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=csyL9EC0S0c
>
>- Hans 



From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Mar 13 04:49:12 2013
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 10:49:12 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] What if Microsoft...
Message-ID: <005201ce1fd0$0486ba00$0d942e00$@cactus.dk>

Hi Jim

Put them on eBay. Vista worked well given the right hardware (which excluded
most laptops). Most troubles were caused by using outdated XP-style machines
with little ram and slow HDD.
I only changed from Vista on my home machine (Lenovo, 8 GB) to have Windows
8 running.

/gustav


-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Jim Lawrence
Sendt: 13. marts 2013 03:44
Til: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] What if Microsoft...

Hi Hans:

I have a couple Professional Vista packages, brand new, never opened. I
wonder if I should give them to Sally Anne, and wonder whether they will
keep them, attempt to sell them or will they just throw them out? (...more
dangerous than a land-mine...) ;-)

Personally, I am now waiting for Windows 9.

Jim


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hans-Christian
Andersen
Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 3:19 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] What if Microsoft...

No Vista jokes? Anyone? :)

- Hans


On 2013-03-12, at 2:26 PM, "Stuart McLachlan" <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>
wrote:

> Or  SP3?
> 
> On 12 Mar 2013 at 15:37, Tina Norris Fields wrote:
> 
>> the problems.  What's a completely stable OS with no bugs called?
Obsolete! 



From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Wed Mar 13 07:09:24 2013
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 16:09:24 +0400
Subject: [dba-Tech]
 =?utf-8?q?Talk=3A_Programming_is_terrible_-_Lessons_le?=
 =?utf-8?q?arned_from_alife_wasted?=
In-Reply-To: <004401ce1fcd$be09c0b0$3a1d4210$@cactus.dk>
References: <004401ce1fcd$be09c0b0$3a1d4210$@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <1363176564.675416727@f224.mail.ru>

 Hi Gustav --

Yes, but not only a programmer - nobody (in any profession)...

'True pessimist' equals to a?philosophiser? :)

-- Shamil

?????, 13 ????? 2013, 10:32 +01:00 ?? "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>:
>Hi Shamil
>
>I would say: If you are a true pessimist, you'll never be a programmer.
>
>/gustav
>
>-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
>Fra:  dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Salakhetdinov Shamil
>Sendt: 12. marts 2013 20:39
>Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Talk: Programming is terrible - Lessons learned from alife wasted
>
>?Yes, "r eally, the biggest mistake I make in programming is optimism." :)
>
>-- Shamil
>
>
>???????, 12 ????? 2013, 12:00 -07:00 ?? "Jim Lawrence" < accessd at shaw.ca >:
>>Hi Hans:
>>
>>Love it... Been there and still there not liable to escape.
>>
>>Jim
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From:  dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
>>Hans-Christian Andersen
>>Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 11:32 AM
>>To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>>Subject: [dba-Tech] Talk: Programming is terrible - Lessons learned 
>>from alife wasted
>>
>>Enjoy :)
>>
>>*
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=csyL9EC0S0c
>>
>>- Hans 
>
>
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Mar 13 07:37:03 2013
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 13:37:03 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Talk: Programming is terrible - Lessons learned from
	alife wasted
Message-ID: <00d501ce1fe7$772cbc50$658634f0$@cactus.dk>

Hi Shamil

Well, I think even a true pessimist could wipe the street - but, of course, you may fall and break a leg.

/gustav


-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Salakhetdinov Shamil
Sendt: 13. marts 2013 13:09
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Talk: Programming is terrible - Lessons learned from alife wasted

 Hi Gustav --

Yes, but not only a programmer - nobody (in any profession)...

'True pessimist' equals to a philosophiser? :)

-- Shamil

?????, 13 ????? 2013, 10:32 +01:00 ?? "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>:
>Hi Shamil
>
>I would say: If you are a true pessimist, you'll never be a programmer.
>
>/gustav 



From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Wed Mar 13 11:28:01 2013
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 09:28:01 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Talk: Programming is terrible - Lessons learned from
	alife wasted
In-Reply-To: <004401ce1fcd$be09c0b0$3a1d4210$@cactus.dk>
References: <004401ce1fcd$be09c0b0$3a1d4210$@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <A06C4027-87EA-438B-8601-AA2EA74C4076@phulse.com>

Either that or constantly in misery

- Hans


On 2013-03-13, at 2:32 AM, "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Hi Shamil
> 
> I would say: If you are a true pessimist, you'll never be a programmer.
> 
> /gustav
> 
> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Salakhetdinov Shamil
> Sendt: 12. marts 2013 20:39
> Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Talk: Programming is terrible - Lessons learned from alife wasted
> 
> Yes, "r eally, the biggest mistake I make in programming is optimism." :)
> 
> -- Shamil
> 
> 
> ???????, 12 ????? 2013, 12:00 -07:00 ?? "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca>:
>> Hi Hans:
>> 
>> Love it... Been there and still there not liable to escape.
>> 
>> Jim
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From:  dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
>> Hans-Christian Andersen
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 11:32 AM
>> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>> Subject: [dba-Tech] Talk: Programming is terrible - Lessons learned 
>> from alife wasted
>> 
>> Enjoy :)
>> 
>> *
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=csyL9EC0S0c
>> 
>> - Hans
> 
> 
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Mar 13 12:24:13 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 10:24:13 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] What if Microsoft...
In-Reply-To: <005201ce1fd0$0486ba00$0d942e00$@cactus.dk>
References: <005201ce1fd0$0486ba00$0d942e00$@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <FAC4AAF0EC414311B6215D55666502F1@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Hi Gustav:

My daughter noticed that. She works in 3D animation and some processes can
takes hours like rendering; once the frames and the sequences have been
completed. She updated her computer from Vista to Windows7 and the
performance difference was incredible.

The "bottle-neck" appeared to be some of the Vista's drivers and methods.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2013 2:49 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] What if Microsoft...

Hi Jim

Put them on eBay. Vista worked well given the right hardware (which excluded
most laptops). Most troubles were caused by using outdated XP-style machines
with little ram and slow HDD.
I only changed from Vista on my home machine (Lenovo, 8 GB) to have Windows
8 running.

/gustav


-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Jim Lawrence
Sendt: 13. marts 2013 03:44
Til: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] What if Microsoft...

Hi Hans:

I have a couple Professional Vista packages, brand new, never opened. I
wonder if I should give them to Sally Anne, and wonder whether they will
keep them, attempt to sell them or will they just throw them out? (...more
dangerous than a land-mine...) ;-)

Personally, I am now waiting for Windows 9.

Jim


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hans-Christian
Andersen
Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 3:19 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] What if Microsoft...

No Vista jokes? Anyone? :)

- Hans


On 2013-03-12, at 2:26 PM, "Stuart McLachlan" <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>
wrote:

> Or  SP3?
> 
> On 12 Mar 2013 at 15:37, Tina Norris Fields wrote:
> 
>> the problems.  What's a completely stable OS with no bugs called?
Obsolete! 


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From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Mar 13 13:44:56 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 11:44:56 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] The ultimate frame-work for C#?
In-Reply-To: <FAC4AAF0EC414311B6215D55666502F1@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <005201ce1fd0$0486ba00$0d942e00$@cactus.dk>
	<FAC4AAF0EC414311B6215D55666502F1@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <4743B1A8A6FA4FCCA0E360330FA329D7@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Hi All:

A good friend who has been working on a steady gig, using C#, after working
for the last 30 years, off and on, with C (which he can do with his eyes
closed). Previously, he worked on an extended gig with Java but he hated
it....

He is enjoying getting up to speed in C# (especially on someone else's dime)
and has found a product that he thinks is excellent and is recommending it
to all his programming geek friends. 

Quote: "...I highly recommend that you learn how to use dependency
injection..."

http://www.ohloh.net/p/5112

If you have used this product please give me some comments on it.

Jim 


From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Wed Mar 13 14:14:07 2013
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 12:14:07 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] What if Microsoft...
In-Reply-To: <005201ce1fd0$0486ba00$0d942e00$@cactus.dk>
References: <005201ce1fd0$0486ba00$0d942e00$@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <84C257E2-39A7-468F-A2AB-59366411F68E@phulse.com>

What operating system doesn't run great on a power machine with 8 gigs of RAM and an SSD drive? :p

- Hans


On 2013-03-13, at 2:49 AM, "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Hi Jim
> 
> Put them on eBay. Vista worked well given the right hardware (which excluded
> most laptops). Most troubles were caused by using outdated XP-style machines
> with little ram and slow HDD.
> I only changed from Vista on my home machine (Lenovo, 8 GB) to have Windows
> 8 running.
> 
> /gustav
> 
> 
> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Jim Lawrence
> Sendt: 13. marts 2013 03:44
> Til: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
> Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] What if Microsoft...
> 
> Hi Hans:
> 
> I have a couple Professional Vista packages, brand new, never opened. I
> wonder if I should give them to Sally Anne, and wonder whether they will
> keep them, attempt to sell them or will they just throw them out? (...more
> dangerous than a land-mine...) ;-)
> 
> Personally, I am now waiting for Windows 9.
> 
> Jim
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hans-Christian
> Andersen
> Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 3:19 PM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] What if Microsoft...
> 
> No Vista jokes? Anyone? :)
> 
> - Hans
> 
> 
> On 2013-03-12, at 2:26 PM, "Stuart McLachlan" <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>
> wrote:
> 
>> Or  SP3?
>> 
>> On 12 Mar 2013 at 15:37, Tina Norris Fields wrote:
>> 
>>> the problems.  What's a completely stable OS with no bugs called?
> Obsolete! 
> 
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From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Wed Mar 13 14:17:43 2013
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 12:17:43 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] The ultimate frame-work for C#?
In-Reply-To: <4743B1A8A6FA4FCCA0E360330FA329D7@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <005201ce1fd0$0486ba00$0d942e00$@cactus.dk>
	<FAC4AAF0EC414311B6215D55666502F1@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<4743B1A8A6FA4FCCA0E360330FA329D7@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <A4A05596-F762-466D-8929-B52777BC19F1@phulse.com>

DI is a great pattern to use. Been doing so personally for a while. I tend to find its hard to get other programmers to wrap their heads around it though, despite being such a simple concept.

- Hans


On 2013-03-13, at 11:44 AM, "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> Hi All:
> 
> A good friend who has been working on a steady gig, using C#, after working
> for the last 30 years, off and on, with C (which he can do with his eyes
> closed). Previously, he worked on an extended gig with Java but he hated
> it....
> 
> He is enjoying getting up to speed in C# (especially on someone else's dime)
> and has found a product that he thinks is excellent and is recommending it
> to all his programming geek friends. 
> 
> Quote: "...I highly recommend that you learn how to use dependency
> injection..."
> 
> http://www.ohloh.net/p/5112
> 
> If you have used this product please give me some comments on it.
> 
> Jim 
> 
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From john at winhaven.net  Wed Mar 13 14:30:41 2013
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 14:30:41 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] international television
Message-ID: <018c01ce2021$3f985300$bec8f900$@winhaven.net>

I have a friend from Spain that wants to watch Spanish television but it
won't work because she is in the US now. 

Does anyone know how to get it to work here?

John B.


From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Wed Mar 13 14:52:47 2013
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 12:52:47 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] international television
In-Reply-To: <018c01ce2021$3f985300$bec8f900$@winhaven.net>
References: <018c01ce2021$3f985300$bec8f900$@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <2BD3F10D3B7D4BA9886415809252DE61@HAL9007>

If it's not provided by the cable provider I don't know how she can. Unless
she gets the feed from satellite.

If it's a question of format then maybe she needs a PAL to NTSC converter.

R
 

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Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2013 12:31 PM
To: DBA-Tech
Subject: [dba-Tech] international television

I have a friend from Spain that wants to watch Spanish television but it
won't work because she is in the US now. 

Does anyone know how to get it to work here?

John B.

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From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Wed Mar 13 14:58:54 2013
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 23:58:54 +0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?The_ultimate_frame-work_for_C=23=3F?=
In-Reply-To: <4743B1A8A6FA4FCCA0E360330FA329D7@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <005201ce1fd0$0486ba00$0d942e00$@cactus.dk>
	<FAC4AAF0EC414311B6215D55666502F1@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<4743B1A8A6FA4FCCA0E360330FA329D7@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <1363204734.198656292@f239.mail.ru>

 Hi Jim --

I personally do not use DI frameworks, I just sometimes do something like that  http://ayende.com/blog/2886/building-an-ioc-container-in-15-lines-of-code ?from scratch,?but I do plan to get to use one of the existing open source DI frameworks, which exist many for C#:

http://www.hanselman.com/blog/ListOfNETDependencyInjectionContainersIOC.aspx

I have heard good refs on:

StructureMap
http://docs.structuremap.net/
Unity
http://unity.codeplex.com/
Autofac
https://code.google.com/p/autofac/

and

Ninject
http://www.ninject.org

you referred?
I'd use StructureMap or Unity or Ninject. Thank you.

-- Shamil


?????, 13 ????? 2013, 11:44 -07:00 ?? "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca>:
>Hi All:
>
>A good friend who has been working on a steady gig, using C#, after working
>for the last 30 years, off and on, with C (which he can do with his eyes
>closed). Previously, he worked on an extended gig with Java but he hated
>it....
>
>He is enjoying getting up to speed in C# (especially on someone else's dime)
>and has found a product that he thinks is excellent and is recommending it
>to all his programming geek friends. 
>
>Quote: "...I highly recommend that you learn how to use dependency
>injection..."
>
>http://www.ohloh.net/p/5112
>
>If you have used this product please give me some comments on it.
>
>Jim 
>
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From hkotsch at arcor.de  Wed Mar 13 15:04:28 2013
From: hkotsch at arcor.de (Helmut Kotsch)
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 21:04:28 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] international television
In-Reply-To: <018c01ce2021$3f985300$bec8f900$@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <JIECLJNJOMBJFEDLONCBCENPKAAA.hkotsch@arcor.de>

Don't the stations provide streams in the internet? All German TV-stations
have mediacenters on the internet providing full TV-coverage. Basically one
doesn't need a TV set and antenna anymore.

Helmut

-----Ursprungliche Nachricht-----
Von: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]Im Auftrag von John Bartow
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 13. Marz 2013 20:31
An: DBA-Tech
Betreff: [dba-Tech] international television


I have a friend from Spain that wants to watch Spanish television but it
won't work because she is in the US now.

Does anyone know how to get it to work here?

John B.

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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Wed Mar 13 15:35:23 2013
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 16:35:23 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] What if Microsoft...
In-Reply-To: <84C257E2-39A7-468F-A2AB-59366411F68E@phulse.com>
References: <005201ce1fd0$0486ba00$0d942e00$@cactus.dk>
	<84C257E2-39A7-468F-A2AB-59366411F68E@phulse.com>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1ijw+cu5b2eyT6Z8V1qU4p3MzmEnWsRrQO42R=5Hjpn2Q@mail.gmail.com>

Good point, Hans. There's a store in my neighbourhood that's part of a
small chain (4 or 5) and they sell a lot of refurbished and off-lease
equipment for peanuts. It's amazing what can be had for < $100, tax
included. Some of them are even Windows 7 already. Swap Ubuntu or similar
in and suddenly it's a screamer. Way faster than a VM, too.

In my semi-retirement, I find myself doing work for various volunteer and
non-profit orgs, and in that scene money is critical, as in, we ain't got
any. If there's a copy of Word, chances are somebody brought it in. They
feel vaguely guilty, but in a rape-crisis centre MS is not a priority.
Still, they like the idea of cleaning up their act, and a quick tour of one
the Linux desktops and then one of the office OpenOffice or Libre, plus
proof that the printer still works, is about all it takes. Then when you
show them how many free apps are already installed and how many thousands
more are a few mouse-clicks away... All free? You're speaking our language!

It's really fun taking a dinosaur box and turning it into a perfectly
serviceable computer. Especially when it's old enough that it still has a
diskette drive, currently in use as a paperweight. :)
A.


From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Wed Mar 13 16:30:37 2013
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 14:30:37 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] What if Microsoft...
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1ijw+cu5b2eyT6Z8V1qU4p3MzmEnWsRrQO42R=5Hjpn2Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <005201ce1fd0$0486ba00$0d942e00$@cactus.dk>
	<84C257E2-39A7-468F-A2AB-59366411F68E@phulse.com>
	<CAEPJO1ijw+cu5b2eyT6Z8V1qU4p3MzmEnWsRrQO42R=5Hjpn2Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFj0BAxVzX-RcZT+TMgAjDWQh-Xf_OpWWM_4HkfXwakZbC1_6w@mail.gmail.com>

Arthur,

That's awesome. I'm one of those nerds who hates to throw away old
hardware. That old piece of junk was once bleeding edge hardware. Maybe it
can't handle all the bells and whistles of a Windows 7 desktop, but throw
on Linux and it still is just as useful.

Another distro that I would recommend is CrunchBang (or #! for short). It's
even more minimalist than Ubuntu is (running OpenBox as the WM/desktop and
a Debian-based distro, so Ubuntu users should be familiar), so it's even
faster.

- Hans


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On 13 March 2013 13:35, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com> wrote:

> Good point, Hans. There's a store in my neighbourhood that's part of a
> small chain (4 or 5) and they sell a lot of refurbished and off-lease
> equipment for peanuts. It's amazing what can be had for < $100, tax
> included. Some of them are even Windows 7 already. Swap Ubuntu or similar
> in and suddenly it's a screamer. Way faster than a VM, too.
>
> In my semi-retirement, I find myself doing work for various volunteer and
> non-profit orgs, and in that scene money is critical, as in, we ain't got
> any. If there's a copy of Word, chances are somebody brought it in. They
> feel vaguely guilty, but in a rape-crisis centre MS is not a priority.
> Still, they like the idea of cleaning up their act, and a quick tour of one
> the Linux desktops and then one of the office OpenOffice or Libre, plus
> proof that the printer still works, is about all it takes. Then when you
> show them how many free apps are already installed and how many thousands
> more are a few mouse-clicks away... All free? You're speaking our language!
>
> It's really fun taking a dinosaur box and turning it into a perfectly
> serviceable computer. Especially when it's old enough that it still has a
> diskette drive, currently in use as a paperweight. :)
> A.
>
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From john at winhaven.net  Wed Mar 13 17:07:51 2013
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 17:07:51 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] international television
In-Reply-To: <JIECLJNJOMBJFEDLONCBCENPKAAA.hkotsch@arcor.de>
References: <018c01ce2021$3f985300$bec8f900$@winhaven.net>
	<JIECLJNJOMBJFEDLONCBCENPKAAA.hkotsch@arcor.de>
Message-ID: <01d101ce2037$346334d0$9d299e70$@winhaven.net>

She used her laptop while there but says it won't allow her to anymore - it
says she can't get it because of her location. So I am assuming that it
blocks international feeds for some reason. I was wondering if there is some
software or server that can fake a Spanish location.

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Helmut Kotsch
Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2013 3:04 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] international television

Don't the stations provide streams in the internet? All German TV-stations
have mediacenters on the internet providing full TV-coverage. Basically one
doesn't need a TV set and antenna anymore.

Helmut

-----Ursprungliche Nachricht-----
Von: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]Im Auftrag von John Bartow
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 13. Marz 2013 20:31
An: DBA-Tech
Betreff: [dba-Tech] international television


I have a friend from Spain that wants to watch Spanish television but it
won't work because she is in the US now.

Does anyone know how to get it to work here?

John B.

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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Wed Mar 13 17:13:55 2013
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 15:13:55 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] international television
In-Reply-To: <01d101ce2037$346334d0$9d299e70$@winhaven.net>
References: <018c01ce2021$3f985300$bec8f900$@winhaven.net><JIECLJNJOMBJFEDLONCBCENPKAAA.hkotsch@arcor.de>
	<01d101ce2037$346334d0$9d299e70$@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <B8AA651A2D344B7787AF551FB5CCF381@HAL9007>

Her physical location? Her ISP?  What is blocking the international feed? 

R


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow
Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2013 3:08 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] international television

She used her laptop while there but says it won't allow her to anymore - it
says she can't get it because of her location. So I am assuming that it
blocks international feeds for some reason. I was wondering if there is some
software or server that can fake a Spanish location.

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Helmut Kotsch
Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2013 3:04 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] international television

Don't the stations provide streams in the internet? All German TV-stations
have mediacenters on the internet providing full TV-coverage. Basically one
doesn't need a TV set and antenna anymore.

Helmut

-----Ursprungliche Nachricht-----
Von: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]Im Auftrag von John Bartow
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 13. Marz 2013 20:31
An: DBA-Tech
Betreff: [dba-Tech] international television


I have a friend from Spain that wants to watch Spanish television but it
won't work because she is in the US now.

Does anyone know how to get it to work here?

John B.

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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Wed Mar 13 17:14:52 2013
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2013 08:14:52 +1000
Subject: [dba-Tech] international television
In-Reply-To: <01d101ce2037$346334d0$9d299e70$@winhaven.net>
References: <018c01ce2021$3f985300$bec8f900$@winhaven.net>,
	<JIECLJNJOMBJFEDLONCBCENPKAAA.hkotsch@arcor.de>,
	<01d101ce2037$346334d0$9d299e70$@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <5140FA5C.32229.AE8142AF@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

They almost certainly use IP address geolocation. In that case, if the IP address she is 
connected through isn't in a block assigned to a spanish ISP, she is SOL.

It's very common for media sites such as television station websites to restrict who can watch 
in this way.

-- 
Stuart

On 13 Mar 2013 at 17:07, John Bartow wrote:

> She used her laptop while there but says it won't allow her to anymore - it
> says she can't get it because of her location. So I am assuming that it
> blocks international feeds for some reason. I was wondering if there is some
> software or server that can fake a Spanish location.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Helmut Kotsch
> Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2013 3:04 PM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] international television
> 
> Don't the stations provide streams in the internet? All German TV-stations
> have mediacenters on the internet providing full TV-coverage. Basically one
> doesn't need a TV set and antenna anymore.
> 
> Helmut
> 
> -----Ursprungliche Nachricht-----
> Von: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]Im Auftrag von John Bartow
> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 13. Marz 2013 20:31
> An: DBA-Tech
> Betreff: [dba-Tech] international television
> 
> 
> I have a friend from Spain that wants to watch Spanish television but it
> won't work because she is in the US now.
> 
> Does anyone know how to get it to work here?
> 
> John B.
> 
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From phil.rosenkranz at co.yakima.wa.us  Wed Mar 13 17:20:35 2013
From: phil.rosenkranz at co.yakima.wa.us (Phil Rosenkranz)
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 15:20:35 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] international television
In-Reply-To: <5140FA5C.32229.AE8142AF@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <018c01ce2021$3f985300$bec8f900$@winhaven.net>,
	<JIECLJNJOMBJFEDLONCBCENPKAAA.hkotsch@arcor.de>,
	<01d101ce2037$346334d0$9d299e70$@winhaven.net>
	<5140FA5C.32229.AE8142AF@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <DDFDEC66080CE043BEF7242750D42469086945C95E@ntx7>

Use a Spanish proxy server

https://www.google.com/search?source=ig&rlz=1W1GGHP_enUS480&q=free+spanish+proxy

-----Original Message-----
From: Stuart McLachlan
They almost certainly use IP address geolocation. In that case, if the IP address she is 
connected through isn't in a block assigned to a spanish ISP, she is SOL.

It's very common for media sites such as television station websites to restrict who can watch 
in this way.

-- 
Stuart

On 13 Mar 2013 at 17:07, John Bartow wrote:

> She used her laptop while there but says it won't allow her to anymore - it
> says she can't get it because of her location. So I am assuming that it
> blocks international feeds for some reason. I was wondering if there is some
> software or server that can fake a Spanish location.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Helmut Kotsch
> 
> Don't the stations provide streams in the internet? All German TV-stations
> have mediacenters on the internet providing full TV-coverage. Basically one
> doesn't need a TV set and antenna anymore.
> 
> Helmut
> 
> -----Ursprungliche Nachricht-----
> Von: John Bartow
> 
> I have a friend from Spain that wants to watch Spanish television but it
> won't work because she is in the US now.
> 
> Does anyone know how to get it to work here?
> 
> John B.



From john at winhaven.net  Wed Mar 13 17:33:42 2013
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 17:33:42 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] international television
In-Reply-To: <DDFDEC66080CE043BEF7242750D42469086945C95E@ntx7>
References: <018c01ce2021$3f985300$bec8f900$@winhaven.net>,
	<JIECLJNJOMBJFEDLONCBCENPKAAA.hkotsch@arcor.de>,
	<01d101ce2037$346334d0$9d299e70$@winhaven.net>	<5140FA5C.32229.AE8142AF@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<DDFDEC66080CE043BEF7242750D42469086945C95E@ntx7>
Message-ID: <01d801ce203a$d14b0630$73e11290$@winhaven.net>

That looks promising, thanks!

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Phil Rosenkranz
Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2013 5:21 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] international television

Use a Spanish proxy server

https://www.google.com/search?source=ig&rlz=1W1GGHP_enUS480&q=free+spanish+p
roxy

-----Original Message-----
From: Stuart McLachlan
They almost certainly use IP address geolocation. In that case, if the IP
address she is connected through isn't in a block assigned to a spanish ISP,
she is SOL.

It's very common for media sites such as television station websites to
restrict who can watch in this way.

--
Stuart

On 13 Mar 2013 at 17:07, John Bartow wrote:

> She used her laptop while there but says it won't allow her to anymore 
> - it says she can't get it because of her location. So I am assuming 
> that it blocks international feeds for some reason. I was wondering if 
> there is some software or server that can fake a Spanish location.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Helmut Kotsch
> 
> Don't the stations provide streams in the internet? All German 
> TV-stations have mediacenters on the internet providing full 
> TV-coverage. Basically one doesn't need a TV set and antenna anymore.
> 
> Helmut
> 
> -----Ursprungliche Nachricht-----
> Von: John Bartow
> 
> I have a friend from Spain that wants to watch Spanish television but 
> it won't work because she is in the US now.
> 
> Does anyone know how to get it to work here?
> 
> John B.


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From john at winhaven.net  Wed Mar 13 17:33:42 2013
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 17:33:42 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] international television
In-Reply-To: <B8AA651A2D344B7787AF551FB5CCF381@HAL9007>
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The originator of the feed in Spain.

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2013 5:14 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] international television

Her physical location? Her ISP?  What is blocking the international feed? 

R


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow
Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2013 3:08 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] international television

She used her laptop while there but says it won't allow her to anymore - it
says she can't get it because of her location. So I am assuming that it
blocks international feeds for some reason. I was wondering if there is some
software or server that can fake a Spanish location.

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Helmut Kotsch
Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2013 3:04 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] international television

Don't the stations provide streams in the internet? All German TV-stations
have mediacenters on the internet providing full TV-coverage. Basically one
doesn't need a TV set and antenna anymore.

Helmut

-----Ursprungliche Nachricht-----
Von: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]Im Auftrag von John Bartow
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 13. Marz 2013 20:31
An: DBA-Tech
Betreff: [dba-Tech] international television


I have a friend from Spain that wants to watch Spanish television but it
won't work because she is in the US now.

Does anyone know how to get it to work here?

John B.

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Mar 13 23:39:30 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 21:39:30 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] international television
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	<JIECLJNJOMBJFEDLONCBCENPKAAA.hkotsch@arcor.de>,
	<01d101ce2037$346334d0$9d299e70$@winhaven.net><5140FA5C.32229.AE8142AF@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<DDFDEC66080CE043BEF7242750D42469086945C95E@ntx7>
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Hi Phil:

The famous "proxy server" are the way around so many of these location
blocks. 

With governments attempting greater control over access to data we will be
seeing a lot more of these proxies being used...matching this type of server
with Cloud access will, at least for now, circumnavigate these synthetically
created content restrictions.

Is this a good thing or bad thing?

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Phil Rosenkranz
Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2013 3:21 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] international television

Use a Spanish proxy server

https://www.google.com/search?source=ig&rlz=1W1GGHP_enUS480&q=free+spanish+p
roxy

-----Original Message-----
From: Stuart McLachlan
They almost certainly use IP address geolocation. In that case, if the IP
address she is 
connected through isn't in a block assigned to a spanish ISP, she is SOL.

It's very common for media sites such as television station websites to
restrict who can watch 
in this way.

-- 
Stuart

On 13 Mar 2013 at 17:07, John Bartow wrote:

> She used her laptop while there but says it won't allow her to anymore -
it
> says she can't get it because of her location. So I am assuming that it
> blocks international feeds for some reason. I was wondering if there is
some
> software or server that can fake a Spanish location.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Helmut Kotsch
> 
> Don't the stations provide streams in the internet? All German TV-stations
> have mediacenters on the internet providing full TV-coverage. Basically
one
> doesn't need a TV set and antenna anymore.
> 
> Helmut
> 
> -----Ursprungliche Nachricht-----
> Von: John Bartow
> 
> I have a friend from Spain that wants to watch Spanish television but it
> won't work because she is in the US now.
> 
> Does anyone know how to get it to work here?
> 
> John B.


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From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Mar 13 23:45:42 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 21:45:42 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] international television
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Hi John:

Would this not be counter productive? 

You would think that extending your message to customers outside your
immediate locality has the potential of extending your businesses' financial
potential as well...or am I missing something?

Jim 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow
Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2013 3:34 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] international television

The originator of the feed in Spain.

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2013 5:14 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] international television

Her physical location? Her ISP?  What is blocking the international feed? 

R


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow
Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2013 3:08 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] international television

She used her laptop while there but says it won't allow her to anymore - it
says she can't get it because of her location. So I am assuming that it
blocks international feeds for some reason. I was wondering if there is some
software or server that can fake a Spanish location.

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Helmut Kotsch
Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2013 3:04 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] international television

Don't the stations provide streams in the internet? All German TV-stations
have mediacenters on the internet providing full TV-coverage. Basically one
doesn't need a TV set and antenna anymore.

Helmut

-----Ursprungliche Nachricht-----
Von: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]Im Auftrag von John Bartow
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 13. Marz 2013 20:31
An: DBA-Tech
Betreff: [dba-Tech] international television


I have a friend from Spain that wants to watch Spanish television but it
won't work because she is in the US now.

Does anyone know how to get it to work here?

John B.

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From john at winhaven.net  Wed Mar 13 23:52:36 2013
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 23:52:36 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] international television
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I don't understand it either.

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2013 11:46 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] international television

Hi John:

Would this not be counter productive? 

You would think that extending your message to customers outside your
immediate locality has the potential of extending your businesses' financial
potential as well...or am I missing something?

Jim 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow
Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2013 3:34 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] international television

The originator of the feed in Spain.

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2013 5:14 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] international television

Her physical location? Her ISP?  What is blocking the international feed? 

R


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow
Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2013 3:08 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] international television

She used her laptop while there but says it won't allow her to anymore - it
says she can't get it because of her location. So I am assuming that it
blocks international feeds for some reason. I was wondering if there is some
software or server that can fake a Spanish location.

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Helmut Kotsch
Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2013 3:04 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] international television

Don't the stations provide streams in the internet? All German TV-stations
have mediacenters on the internet providing full TV-coverage. Basically one
doesn't need a TV set and antenna anymore.

Helmut

-----Ursprungliche Nachricht-----
Von: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]Im Auftrag von John Bartow
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 13. Marz 2013 20:31
An: DBA-Tech
Betreff: [dba-Tech] international television


I have a friend from Spain that wants to watch Spanish television but it
won't work because she is in the US now.

Does anyone know how to get it to work here?

John B.

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Mar 14 00:15:48 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 22:15:48 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] international television
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We finally acquired access to the local (just across the border) PBS
programming... but it can only be done through a proxy.

Considering that we personally contribute, from time to time, and little
Canada donates approximately thirty percent of PBS total viewer budget
(about 75 percent of their total budget), that some other arrangement would
be logical and well advised if they wish maintain their budget.

I have written to PBS about this situation but have never received a
reply.(?)

Jim 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow
Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2013 9:53 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] international television

I don't understand it either.

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2013 11:46 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] international television

Hi John:

Would this not be counter productive? 

You would think that extending your message to customers outside your
immediate locality has the potential of extending your businesses' financial
potential as well...or am I missing something?

Jim 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow
Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2013 3:34 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] international television

The originator of the feed in Spain.

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2013 5:14 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] international television

Her physical location? Her ISP?  What is blocking the international feed? 

R


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow
Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2013 3:08 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] international television

She used her laptop while there but says it won't allow her to anymore - it
says she can't get it because of her location. So I am assuming that it
blocks international feeds for some reason. I was wondering if there is some
software or server that can fake a Spanish location.

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Helmut Kotsch
Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2013 3:04 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] international television

Don't the stations provide streams in the internet? All German TV-stations
have mediacenters on the internet providing full TV-coverage. Basically one
doesn't need a TV set and antenna anymore.

Helmut

-----Ursprungliche Nachricht-----
Von: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]Im Auftrag von John Bartow
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 13. Marz 2013 20:31
An: DBA-Tech
Betreff: [dba-Tech] international television


I have a friend from Spain that wants to watch Spanish television but it
won't work because she is in the US now.

Does anyone know how to get it to work here?

John B.

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Mar 14 00:35:10 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 22:35:10 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] What if Microsoft...
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Hi Arthur:

That is so good to hear.

I had to turn down a businesses who was looking into going Linux as this
arrangement had a potential of growing out of control and I want at least a
semi-retirement. A semi-retirement is where I get to pick and choose what
projects I play with. Not to worry as I passed their request on to the local
Linux club http://luv.asn.au/ and I believe they are being well taken care
of.

There are a couple of businesses in town, who are refurbishing old boxes,
not nearly with as good margins as you are mentioning but occasionally a
great deal is forwarded...the power of 8 Rasberry PIs for a hundred plus
tax. ;-) 

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2013 1:35 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] What if Microsoft...

Good point, Hans. There's a store in my neighbourhood that's part of a
small chain (4 or 5) and they sell a lot of refurbished and off-lease
equipment for peanuts. It's amazing what can be had for < $100, tax
included. Some of them are even Windows 7 already. Swap Ubuntu or similar
in and suddenly it's a screamer. Way faster than a VM, too.

In my semi-retirement, I find myself doing work for various volunteer and
non-profit orgs, and in that scene money is critical, as in, we ain't got
any. If there's a copy of Word, chances are somebody brought it in. They
feel vaguely guilty, but in a rape-crisis centre MS is not a priority.
Still, they like the idea of cleaning up their act, and a quick tour of one
the Linux desktops and then one of the office OpenOffice or Libre, plus
proof that the printer still works, is about all it takes. Then when you
show them how many free apps are already installed and how many thousands
more are a few mouse-clicks away... All free? You're speaking our language!

It's really fun taking a dinosaur box and turning it into a perfectly
serviceable computer. Especially when it's old enough that it still has a
diskette drive, currently in use as a paperweight. :)
A.

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Mar 14 00:48:50 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 22:48:50 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] What if Microsoft...
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Hi Hans:

I had never heard of CrunchBang before. My education has been sadly
neglected.

According to its reviews it only uses 80 MB of RAM when just sitting. That
is incredible by today's expectations. It also supports 386SX boards all the
way up to 64bit platforms.

Jim
 
-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hans-Christian
Andersen
Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2013 2:31 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] What if Microsoft...

Arthur,

That's awesome. I'm one of those nerds who hates to throw away old
hardware. That old piece of junk was once bleeding edge hardware. Maybe it
can't handle all the bells and whistles of a Windows 7 desktop, but throw
on Linux and it still is just as useful.

Another distro that I would recommend is CrunchBang (or #! for short). It's
even more minimalist than Ubuntu is (running OpenBox as the WM/desktop and
a Debian-based distro, so Ubuntu users should be familiar), so it's even
faster.

- Hans


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On 13 March 2013 13:35, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com> wrote:

> Good point, Hans. There's a store in my neighbourhood that's part of a
> small chain (4 or 5) and they sell a lot of refurbished and off-lease
> equipment for peanuts. It's amazing what can be had for < $100, tax
> included. Some of them are even Windows 7 already. Swap Ubuntu or similar
> in and suddenly it's a screamer. Way faster than a VM, too.
>
> In my semi-retirement, I find myself doing work for various volunteer and
> non-profit orgs, and in that scene money is critical, as in, we ain't got
> any. If there's a copy of Word, chances are somebody brought it in. They
> feel vaguely guilty, but in a rape-crisis centre MS is not a priority.
> Still, they like the idea of cleaning up their act, and a quick tour of
one
> the Linux desktops and then one of the office OpenOffice or Libre, plus
> proof that the printer still works, is about all it takes. Then when you
> show them how many free apps are already installed and how many thousands
> more are a few mouse-clicks away... All free? You're speaking our
language!
>
> It's really fun taking a dinosaur box and turning it into a perfectly
> serviceable computer. Especially when it's old enough that it still has a
> diskette drive, currently in use as a paperweight. :)
> A.
>
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From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Thu Mar 14 01:25:58 2013
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 23:25:58 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] What if Microsoft...
In-Reply-To: <2892C3E8C985418A971F598B8F593C6B@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <005201ce1fd0$0486ba00$0d942e00$@cactus.dk>
	<84C257E2-39A7-468F-A2AB-59366411F68E@phulse.com>
	<CAEPJO1ijw+cu5b2eyT6Z8V1qU4p3MzmEnWsRrQO42R=5Hjpn2Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAFj0BAxVzX-RcZT+TMgAjDWQh-Xf_OpWWM_4HkfXwakZbC1_6w@mail.gmail.com>
	<2892C3E8C985418A971F598B8F593C6B@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <59919B42-B129-44B9-8B1D-604A8421A5C5@phulse.com>

Pretty cool, eh?

I'm currently in a dilemma as to whether to install this (Crunchbang) or Linux Mint KDE on my ThinkPad.

Best regards,
Hans-Christian Andersen


On 13 Mar 2013, at 22:48, "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> Hi Hans:
> 
> I had never heard of CrunchBang before. My education has been sadly
> neglected.
> 
> According to its reviews it only uses 80 MB of RAM when just sitting. That
> is incredible by today's expectations. It also supports 386SX boards all the
> way up to 64bit platforms.
> 
> Jim
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hans-Christian
> Andersen
> Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2013 2:31 PM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] What if Microsoft...
> 
> Arthur,
> 
> That's awesome. I'm one of those nerds who hates to throw away old
> hardware. That old piece of junk was once bleeding edge hardware. Maybe it
> can't handle all the bells and whistles of a Windows 7 desktop, but throw
> on Linux and it still is just as useful.
> 
> Another distro that I would recommend is CrunchBang (or #! for short). It's
> even more minimalist than Ubuntu is (running OpenBox as the WM/desktop and
> a Debian-based distro, so Ubuntu users should be familiar), so it's even
> faster.
> 
> - Hans
> 
> 
> *
> 
> Hans-Christian Andersen
> **Web Application Developer, Vancouver, Canada*
> 
> 
> E: hans at phulse.com
> T: +44 (0)20 7193 7841
> L: http://uk.linkedin.com/in/andersenhc
> http://www.nokenode.com/
> 
> *Unique Gifts, Collectables, Artwork*
> *Come one, come all to.... *www.corinnajasmine.com
> *
> *
> 
> 
> 
> On 13 March 2013 13:35, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Good point, Hans. There's a store in my neighbourhood that's part of a
>> small chain (4 or 5) and they sell a lot of refurbished and off-lease
>> equipment for peanuts. It's amazing what can be had for < $100, tax
>> included. Some of them are even Windows 7 already. Swap Ubuntu or similar
>> in and suddenly it's a screamer. Way faster than a VM, too.
>> 
>> In my semi-retirement, I find myself doing work for various volunteer and
>> non-profit orgs, and in that scene money is critical, as in, we ain't got
>> any. If there's a copy of Word, chances are somebody brought it in. They
>> feel vaguely guilty, but in a rape-crisis centre MS is not a priority.
>> Still, they like the idea of cleaning up their act, and a quick tour of
> one
>> the Linux desktops and then one of the office OpenOffice or Libre, plus
>> proof that the printer still works, is about all it takes. Then when you
>> show them how many free apps are already installed and how many thousands
>> more are a few mouse-clicks away... All free? You're speaking our
> language!
>> 
>> It's really fun taking a dinosaur box and turning it into a perfectly
>> serviceable computer. Especially when it's old enough that it still has a
>> diskette drive, currently in use as a paperweight. :)
>> A.
>> 
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From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Thu Mar 14 11:23:26 2013
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2013 12:23:26 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] What if Microsoft...
In-Reply-To: <C09C021D43E8499CB7B3CE83EC80CA74@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <005301ce1efe$2fbbdb10$8f339130$@cactus.dk><73056FA2-C5CB-4599-B366-492C0A124F81@phulse.com>
	<513F83F5.40705@torchlake.com>
	<C09C021D43E8499CB7B3CE83EC80CA74@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <5141F97E.4080004@torchlake.com>

Hi Jim,

I spent some time to learn a bit about Linux a couple of years ago, and 
I really do love it.  Most of my business deals with Windows, so that's 
what I use most.

I'm planning to dedicate one of my computers to Linux.  Just haven't got 
around to it, yet.  The Linux setup I used for learning was a VM on a 
Windows XP box.  The distro I used was Fedora, I believe.  These days I 
hear a lot of good things about Ubuntu, so I expect that will be the 
next Linux setup I do.

I'd welcome your thoughts on that.

T

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
231-322-2787

On 3/12/2013 10:17 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote:
> Hi Tina:
>
> Just an aside... Linux may not be everyone's cup of tea but as far as
> reliability is concerned it is absolutely top-drawer. There is a reason why
> almost 90 percent of servers are Linux and Unix based. It is not because of
> the initial cost either as if they were not stable they would not be used
> regardless.
>
> Along a similar line, FreeBSD, a version of Unix, which is the Apple kernel,
> claim, they have only had two real reported errors since the 90's. All the
> fighter jets, commercial air-craft, space-shuttles and unmanned space crafts
> now use Linux. Linux is used everywhere where reliability is a
> requirement...not an expectation.
>
> This goes to show just how incredible the people behind the whole OSS
> movement have been.
>
> Microsoft can only dream of having a line of products of such quality in
> design, maintenance and creativity. It just goes to show how well a staff
> does not perform when they are under incredible pressure to produce, always
> fearing being fired and have limited feed-back on successes or failures.
> Money alone just can not build or buy quality...
>
> Jim
>
>   
>
>


From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Thu Mar 14 11:24:26 2013
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2013 12:24:26 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Talk: Programming is terrible - Lessons learned from
 alife wasted
In-Reply-To: <A92F51D9419E4123BAB7F942FF108B83@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <CAFj0BAyP=Y1N8Ktdsg+D9eEnMJG+EbbiK2zaYfvVn9B8WW_YKQ@mail.gmail.com><1A637200890A47AFBCE15BCF3E329F54@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<1363117110.819280656@f387.i.mail.ru>
	<A92F51D9419E4123BAB7F942FF108B83@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <5141F9BA.2020007@torchlake.com>

Hear! Hear!  Optimism rules!  :-)
T

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
231-322-2787

On 3/12/2013 10:46 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote:
> That is so fuuny and so true. :-)
>
> The truth is; anyone who is a programmer must be an optimist; a very
> stubborn optimist.
>
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov
> Shamil
> Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 12:39 PM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Talk: Programming is terrible - Lessons learned from
> alife wasted
>
>   Yes, "r eally, the biggest mistake I make in programming is optimism." :)
>
> -- Shamil
>
>
> ???????, 12 ????? 2013, 12:00 -07:00 ?? "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca>:
>> Hi Hans:
>>
>> Love it... Been there and still there not liable to escape.
>>
>> Jim
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From:  dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hans-Christian
>> Andersen
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 11:32 AM
>> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>> Subject: [dba-Tech] Talk: Programming is terrible - Lessons learned from
>> alife wasted
>>
>> Enjoy :)
>>
>> *
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=csyL9EC0S0c
>>
>> - Hans
>> *
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From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Thu Mar 14 11:42:15 2013
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2013 09:42:15 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] What if Microsoft...
In-Reply-To: <5141F97E.4080004@torchlake.com>
References: <005301ce1efe$2fbbdb10$8f339130$@cactus.dk>
	<73056FA2-C5CB-4599-B366-492C0A124F81@phulse.com>
	<513F83F5.40705@torchlake.com>
	<C09C021D43E8499CB7B3CE83EC80CA74@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<5141F97E.4080004@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <2D7D6EF2-DB28-4EB4-91E7-EC23033DAFEE@phulse.com>

Hi Tina,

You can't go wrong with Ubuntu. It's a much better experience than Fedora is.

But, if you are looking for a really good desktop, Linux Mint Cinnamon is, in my opinion, the best desktop Linux there is and probably the most comfortable for someone transitioning from Windows. And, because Mint is derived from Ubuntu, you get all the benefits from Ubuntu - such as stability and hardware support.

If you want Linux for a server, the two big players are Debian and CentOS (both free and open source). Debian is my preference for its heavy focus on stability and being lean as well as its massive software library and community, while the selling point of CentOS is compatibility with RedHat Enterprise Linux.

- Hans


On 2013-03-14, at 9:23 AM, Tina Norris Fields <tinanfields at torchlake.com> wrote:

> Hi Jim,
> 
> I spent some time to learn a bit about Linux a couple of years ago, and I really do love it.  Most of my business deals with Windows, so that's what I use most.
> 
> I'm planning to dedicate one of my computers to Linux.  Just haven't got around to it, yet.  The Linux setup I used for learning was a VM on a Windows XP box.  The distro I used was Fedora, I believe.  These days I hear a lot of good things about Ubuntu, so I expect that will be the next Linux setup I do.
> 
> I'd welcome your thoughts on that.
> 
> T
> 
> Tina Norris Fields
> tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
> 231-322-2787
> 
> On 3/12/2013 10:17 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote:
>> Hi Tina:
>> 
>> Just an aside... Linux may not be everyone's cup of tea but as far as
>> reliability is concerned it is absolutely top-drawer. There is a reason why
>> almost 90 percent of servers are Linux and Unix based. It is not because of
>> the initial cost either as if they were not stable they would not be used
>> regardless.
>> 
>> Along a similar line, FreeBSD, a version of Unix, which is the Apple kernel,
>> claim, they have only had two real reported errors since the 90's. All the
>> fighter jets, commercial air-craft, space-shuttles and unmanned space crafts
>> now use Linux. Linux is used everywhere where reliability is a
>> requirement...not an expectation.
>> 
>> This goes to show just how incredible the people behind the whole OSS
>> movement have been.
>> 
>> Microsoft can only dream of having a line of products of such quality in
>> design, maintenance and creativity. It just goes to show how well a staff
>> does not perform when they are under incredible pressure to produce, always
>> fearing being fired and have limited feed-back on successes or failures.
>> Money alone just can not build or buy quality...
>> 
>> Jim
> 
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com


From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Thu Mar 14 11:53:37 2013
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2013 12:53:37 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] What if Microsoft...
In-Reply-To: <2D7D6EF2-DB28-4EB4-91E7-EC23033DAFEE@phulse.com>
References: <005301ce1efe$2fbbdb10$8f339130$@cactus.dk>
	<73056FA2-C5CB-4599-B366-492C0A124F81@phulse.com>
	<513F83F5.40705@torchlake.com>
	<C09C021D43E8499CB7B3CE83EC80CA74@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<5141F97E.4080004@torchlake.com>
	<2D7D6EF2-DB28-4EB4-91E7-EC23033DAFEE@phulse.com>
Message-ID: <51420091.6050904@torchlake.com>

Thank you.  This is very helpful.
T

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
231-322-2787

On 3/14/2013 12:42 PM, Hans-Christian Andersen wrote:
> Hi Tina,
>
> You can't go wrong with Ubuntu. It's a much better experience than Fedora is.
>
> But, if you are looking for a really good desktop, Linux Mint Cinnamon is, in my opinion, the best desktop Linux there is and probably the most comfortable for someone transitioning from Windows. And, because Mint is derived from Ubuntu, you get all the benefits from Ubuntu - such as stability and hardware support.
>
> If you want Linux for a server, the two big players are Debian and CentOS (both free and open source). Debian is my preference for its heavy focus on stability and being lean as well as its massive software library and community, while the selling point of CentOS is compatibility with RedHat Enterprise Linux.
>
> - Hans
>
>
> On 2013-03-14, at 9:23 AM, Tina Norris Fields <tinanfields at torchlake.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Jim,
>>
>> I spent some time to learn a bit about Linux a couple of years ago, and I really do love it.  Most of my business deals with Windows, so that's what I use most.
>>
>> I'm planning to dedicate one of my computers to Linux.  Just haven't got around to it, yet.  The Linux setup I used for learning was a VM on a Windows XP box.  The distro I used was Fedora, I believe.  These days I hear a lot of good things about Ubuntu, so I expect that will be the next Linux setup I do.
>>
>> I'd welcome your thoughts on that.
>>
>> T
>>


From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Thu Mar 14 11:56:06 2013
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2013 12:56:06 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] What if Microsoft...
In-Reply-To: <2D7D6EF2-DB28-4EB4-91E7-EC23033DAFEE@phulse.com>
References: <005301ce1efe$2fbbdb10$8f339130$@cactus.dk>
	<73056FA2-C5CB-4599-B366-492C0A124F81@phulse.com>
	<513F83F5.40705@torchlake.com>
	<C09C021D43E8499CB7B3CE83EC80CA74@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<5141F97E.4080004@torchlake.com>
	<2D7D6EF2-DB28-4EB4-91E7-EC23033DAFEE@phulse.com>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1gTQPrpt=P4W2nT3PLbek-8n80gUoau0qQOs=SdbSBUYQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hans,

I like the "selling point" thing, especially when applied to free server
software :)

Tina,
I was about to recommend Mint as the best current desktop, too, but Hans
beat me to it.

A.


From carbonnb at gmail.com  Thu Mar 14 13:37:44 2013
From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2013 14:37:44 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] international television
In-Reply-To: <021c01ce206f$bf5b3f50$3e11bdf0$@winhaven.net>
References: <018c01ce2021$3f985300$bec8f900$@winhaven.net>
	<JIECLJNJOMBJFEDLONCBCENPKAAA.hkotsch@arcor.de>
	<01d101ce2037$346334d0$9d299e70$@winhaven.net>
	<B8AA651A2D344B7787AF551FB5CCF381@HAL9007>
	<01d901ce203a$d169ffe0$743dffa0$@winhaven.net>
	<B3E484E092B848E1B4EBB24773DB4395@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<021c01ce206f$bf5b3f50$3e11bdf0$@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <CAAZtbWFrdQQ=T3W69YdNQg46NRsj5nfCiGwjPOzL+D2YMDjnPw@mail.gmail.com>

For broadcasters, it is all about broadcast and distribution rights.

Take for an example, if FOX lets anyone from around the world watch
American Idol online, there is no reason for Global (here in Canada)
to pay huge sums of money to license the content for broadcast if we
can watch it on the web on FOX. So Global pays for the rights to
broadcast it on TV and online.

Geofencing is all about the money.

Bryan


On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 12:52 AM, John Bartow <john at winhaven.net> wrote:
> I don't understand it either.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
> Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2013 11:46 PM
> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] international television
>
> Hi John:
>
> Would this not be counter productive?
>
> You would think that extending your message to customers outside your
> immediate locality has the potential of extending your businesses' financial
> potential as well...or am I missing something?
>
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow
> Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2013 3:34 PM
> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] international television
>
> The originator of the feed in Spain.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
> Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2013 5:14 PM
> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] international television
>
> Her physical location? Her ISP?  What is blocking the international feed?
>
> R
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow
> Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2013 3:08 PM
> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] international television
>
> She used her laptop while there but says it won't allow her to anymore - it
> says she can't get it because of her location. So I am assuming that it
> blocks international feeds for some reason. I was wondering if there is some
> software or server that can fake a Spanish location.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Helmut Kotsch
> Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2013 3:04 PM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] international television
>
> Don't the stations provide streams in the internet? All German TV-stations
> have mediacenters on the internet providing full TV-coverage. Basically one
> doesn't need a TV set and antenna anymore.
>
> Helmut
>
> -----Ursprungliche Nachricht-----
> Von: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]Im Auftrag von John Bartow
> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 13. Marz 2013 20:31
> An: DBA-Tech
> Betreff: [dba-Tech] international television
>
>
> I have a friend from Spain that wants to watch Spanish television but it
> won't work because she is in the US now.
>
> Does anyone know how to get it to work here?
>
> John B.
>
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-- 
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com
Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well
preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out,
shouting "What a great ride!"

From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Thu Mar 14 15:19:17 2013
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2013 13:19:17 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] What if Microsoft...
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1gTQPrpt=P4W2nT3PLbek-8n80gUoau0qQOs=SdbSBUYQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1gTQPrpt=P4W2nT3PLbek-8n80gUoau0qQOs=SdbSBUYQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1363292356485.cd7003c7@Nodemailer>

I suppose it is a bit of a contradiction in terms. :p


?
Sent from Mailbox for iPhone

On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 9:57 AM, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hans,
> I like the "selling point" thing, especially when applied to free server
> software :)
> Tina,
> I was about to recommend Mint as the best current desktop, too, but Hans
> beat me to it.
> A.
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Mar 14 20:15:39 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2013 18:15:39 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] So you like your tablets
In-Reply-To: <1363292356485.cd7003c7@Nodemailer>
References: <CAEPJO1gTQPrpt=P4W2nT3PLbek-8n80gUoau0qQOs=SdbSBUYQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<1363292356485.cd7003c7@Nodemailer>
Message-ID: <90AEF1F128F042539981614BB2581DB2@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Hi All:

Tablets may be useful but only so far...

http://vimeo.com/61275290

Jim


From john at winhaven.net  Thu Mar 14 20:48:02 2013
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2013 20:48:02 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] So you like your tablets
In-Reply-To: <90AEF1F128F042539981614BB2581DB2@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <CAEPJO1gTQPrpt=P4W2nT3PLbek-8n80gUoau0qQOs=SdbSBUYQ@mail.gmail.com>	<1363292356485.cd7003c7@Nodemailer>
	<90AEF1F128F042539981614BB2581DB2@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <000301ce211f$23f93340$6beb99c0$@winhaven.net>

If only they had an app for that!

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2013 8:16 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: [dba-Tech] So you like your tablets

Hi All:

Tablets may be useful but only so far...

http://vimeo.com/61275290

Jim

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From john at winhaven.net  Thu Mar 14 20:53:17 2013
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2013 20:53:17 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] international television
In-Reply-To: <CAAZtbWFrdQQ=T3W69YdNQg46NRsj5nfCiGwjPOzL+D2YMDjnPw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <018c01ce2021$3f985300$bec8f900$@winhaven.net>	<JIECLJNJOMBJFEDLONCBCENPKAAA.hkotsch@arcor.de>	<01d101ce2037$346334d0$9d299e70$@winhaven.net>	<B8AA651A2D344B7787AF551FB5CCF381@HAL9007>	<01d901ce203a$d169ffe0$743dffa0$@winhaven.net>	<B3E484E092B848E1B4EBB24773DB4395@creativesystemdesigns.com>	<021c01ce206f$bf5b3f50$3e11bdf0$@winhaven.net>
	<CAAZtbWFrdQQ=T3W69YdNQg46NRsj5nfCiGwjPOzL+D2YMDjnPw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000801ce211f$dcffd6a0$96ff83e0$@winhaven.net>

Ahhh, I see. 

<cynicism on> 
I should've known :-(
<cynicism off>

Thanks Bryan!

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bryan Carbonnell
Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2013 1:38 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] international television

For broadcasters, it is all about broadcast and distribution rights.

Take for an example, if FOX lets anyone from around the world watch American
Idol online, there is no reason for Global (here in Canada) to pay huge sums
of money to license the content for broadcast if we can watch it on the web
on FOX. So Global pays for the rights to broadcast it on TV and online.

Geofencing is all about the money.

Bryan


On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 12:52 AM, John Bartow <john at winhaven.net> wrote:
> I don't understand it either.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim 
> Lawrence
> Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2013 11:46 PM
> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] international television
>
> Hi John:
>
> Would this not be counter productive?
>
> You would think that extending your message to customers outside your 
> immediate locality has the potential of extending your businesses' 
> financial potential as well...or am I missing something?
>
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John 
> Bartow
> Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2013 3:34 PM
> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] international television
>
> The originator of the feed in Spain.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky 
> Smolin
> Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2013 5:14 PM
> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] international television
>
> Her physical location? Her ISP?  What is blocking the international feed?
>
> R
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John 
> Bartow
> Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2013 3:08 PM
> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] international television
>
> She used her laptop while there but says it won't allow her to anymore 
> - it says she can't get it because of her location. So I am assuming 
> that it blocks international feeds for some reason. I was wondering if 
> there is some software or server that can fake a Spanish location.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Helmut 
> Kotsch
> Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2013 3:04 PM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] international television
>
> Don't the stations provide streams in the internet? All German 
> TV-stations have mediacenters on the internet providing full 
> TV-coverage. Basically one doesn't need a TV set and antenna anymore.
>
> Helmut
>
> -----Ursprungliche Nachricht-----
> Von: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]Im Auftrag von John 
> Bartow
> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 13. Marz 2013 20:31
> An: DBA-Tech
> Betreff: [dba-Tech] international television
>
>
> I have a friend from Spain that wants to watch Spanish television but 
> it won't work because she is in the US now.
>
> Does anyone know how to get it to work here?
>
> John B.
>
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Mar 14 21:22:26 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2013 19:22:26 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] international television
In-Reply-To: <CAAZtbWFrdQQ=T3W69YdNQg46NRsj5nfCiGwjPOzL+D2YMDjnPw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <018c01ce2021$3f985300$bec8f900$@winhaven.net><JIECLJNJOMBJFEDLONCBCENPKAAA.hkotsch@arcor.de><01d101ce2037$346334d0$9d299e70$@winhaven.net><B8AA651A2D344B7787AF551FB5CCF381@HAL9007><01d901ce203a$d169ffe0$743dffa0$@winhaven.net><B3E484E092B848E1B4EBB24773DB4395@creativesystemdesigns.com><021c01ce206f$bf5b3f50$3e11bdf0$@winhaven.net>
	<CAAZtbWFrdQQ=T3W69YdNQg46NRsj5nfCiGwjPOzL+D2YMDjnPw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D7EC92442538488896938613207490E1@creativesystemdesigns.com>

So I see... 

I knew there must be a money component but could just not see where. The
Cloud has the potential to make much of this blocking (GeoFencing) almost
impossible... There is a product called UltraSurf
(http://ultrasurf.us/download_en.htm) that works for many such blockages but
certain providers have become aware of its existence and are now blocking it
as well...a never ending game of cat and mouse continues.

Here is a link to someone's opinions on the subject and methods of
circumnavigate the problem.
http://www.unrest.ca/mainstream-geofencing-begins-and-how-you-can-stop-it

Jim


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bryan Carbonnell
Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2013 11:38 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] international television

For broadcasters, it is all about broadcast and distribution rights.

Take for an example, if FOX lets anyone from around the world watch
American Idol online, there is no reason for Global (here in Canada)
to pay huge sums of money to license the content for broadcast if we
can watch it on the web on FOX. So Global pays for the rights to
broadcast it on TV and online.

Geofencing is all about the money.

Bryan


On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 12:52 AM, John Bartow <john at winhaven.net> wrote:
> I don't understand it either.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
> Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2013 11:46 PM
> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] international television
>
> Hi John:
>
> Would this not be counter productive?
>
> You would think that extending your message to customers outside your
> immediate locality has the potential of extending your businesses'
financial
> potential as well...or am I missing something?
>
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow
> Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2013 3:34 PM
> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] international television
>
> The originator of the feed in Spain.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
> Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2013 5:14 PM
> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] international television
>
> Her physical location? Her ISP?  What is blocking the international feed?
>
> R
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow
> Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2013 3:08 PM
> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] international television
>
> She used her laptop while there but says it won't allow her to anymore -
it
> says she can't get it because of her location. So I am assuming that it
> blocks international feeds for some reason. I was wondering if there is
some
> software or server that can fake a Spanish location.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Helmut Kotsch
> Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2013 3:04 PM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] international television
>
> Don't the stations provide streams in the internet? All German TV-stations
> have mediacenters on the internet providing full TV-coverage. Basically
one
> doesn't need a TV set and antenna anymore.
>
> Helmut
>
> -----Ursprungliche Nachricht-----
> Von: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]Im Auftrag von John Bartow
> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 13. Marz 2013 20:31
> An: DBA-Tech
> Betreff: [dba-Tech] international television
>
>
> I have a friend from Spain that wants to watch Spanish television but it
> won't work because she is in the US now.
>
> Does anyone know how to get it to work here?
>
> John B.
>
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Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well
preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out,
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Mar 15 02:42:18 2013
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2013 08:42:18 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] So you like your tablets
Message-ID: <001a01ce2150$9ed17330$dc745990$@cactus.dk>

Hi Jim

Yeah yeah, men are all so stupid, can't even check a roll of paper and call
for mom when the paper is out.
Must be made by a woman for women.

/gustav


-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Jim Lawrence
Sendt: 15. marts 2013 02:16
Til: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Emne: [dba-Tech] So you like your tablets

Hi All:

Tablets may be useful but only so far...

http://vimeo.com/61275290

Jim



From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Mar 15 11:01:49 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2013 09:01:49 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] So you like your tablets
In-Reply-To: <001a01ce2150$9ed17330$dc745990$@cactus.dk>
References: <001a01ce2150$9ed17330$dc745990$@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <D458B108AEB24EF4826957785904C9C8@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Hi Gustav:

So you like it. ;-)

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Friday, March 15, 2013 12:42 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] So you like your tablets

Hi Jim

Yeah yeah, men are all so stupid, can't even check a roll of paper and call
for mom when the paper is out.
Must be made by a woman for women.

/gustav


-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Jim Lawrence
Sendt: 15. marts 2013 02:16
Til: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Emne: [dba-Tech] So you like your tablets

Hi All:

Tablets may be useful but only so far...

http://vimeo.com/61275290

Jim


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From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Mar 15 22:22:51 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2013 20:22:51 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] The latest Samsung's Smartphone 4
In-Reply-To: <D7EC92442538488896938613207490E1@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <018c01ce2021$3f985300$bec8f900$@winhaven.net><JIECLJNJOMBJFEDLONCBCENPKAAA.hkotsch@arcor.de><01d101ce2037$346334d0$9d299e70$@winhaven.net><B8AA651A2D344B7787AF551FB5CCF381@HAL9007><01d901ce203a$d169ffe0$743dffa0$@winhaven.net><B3E484E092B848E1B4EBB24773DB4395@creativesystemdesigns.com><021c01ce206f$bf5b3f50$3e11bdf0$@winhaven.net><CAAZtbWFrdQQ=T3W69YdNQg46NRsj5nfCiGwjPOzL+D2YMDjnPw@mail.gmail.com>
	<D7EC92442538488896938613207490E1@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <8670AF45073C4D01947311F220E550A7@creativesystemdesigns.com>

According to the article "...may not have put all other Android phones to
shame but one that does make Apple's iPhone 5 look like yesterday's
newspaper..." ;-)

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/03/15/samsung_galaxy_s_4_rollout/

Another hit for a Linux derivative or just a flash-in-the-pan?

Jim


From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Mar 15 23:08:05 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2013 21:08:05 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Installing a new OS
In-Reply-To: <8670AF45073C4D01947311F220E550A7@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <018c01ce2021$3f985300$bec8f900$@winhaven.net><JIECLJNJOMBJFEDLONCBCENPKAAA.hkotsch@arcor.de><01d101ce2037$346334d0$9d299e70$@winhaven.net><B8AA651A2D344B7787AF551FB5CCF381@HAL9007><01d901ce203a$d169ffe0$743dffa0$@winhaven.net><B3E484E092B848E1B4EBB24773DB4395@creativesystemdesigns.com><021c01ce206f$bf5b3f50$3e11bdf0$@winhaven.net><CAAZtbWFrdQQ=T3W69YdNQg46NRsj5nfCiGwjPOzL+D2YMDjnPw@mail.gmail.com><D7EC92442538488896938613207490E1@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<8670AF45073C4D01947311F220E550A7@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <BF1CA522301D4FB6B6A484575D93A554@creativesystemdesigns.com>

It seems that a partician has come free.

It originally held an older version of Linux but after doing some nasties on
the directory structure, backing up Windows data over part of it, for no
apparent reason the system wants to do multiple rebuilds which would waste a
good hour so why not do something more constructive?

As the current Linux version is really old, it is time a nice new refresh OS
and I have been debating which way to go. 

The computer only has a couple of GB or RAM, 32bit and only a has dual core
so it is hardly a candidate for another version of Windows. That only leaves
Linux.

The real choices, I see, are as follows:

1. Ubuntu 12.04 Linux (solid as a rock and brain dead simple)
2. Mint 14 Linux (a little more adventuresome)
3. OpenSUSE 12.3 Linux (the latest and greatest, right off the showroom
floor) 

A recent review from Register:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/03/15/suse_linux_12_3_review/

So which way should I go? Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Jim 


From Gustav at cactus.dk  Sat Mar 16 03:46:57 2013
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2013 09:46:57 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Installing a new OS
Message-ID: <s1443fab.040@cactus.dk>

Hi Jim

I have an old HP zd8000 Pavilion with Pentium 4 dual core, 3 GHz, 2 GB ram.
Except for the outdated graphics adapter, it runs Windows 7 at a decent 3.9 experience index.

I was about trashing it but, just for the fun, installed Windows 7. A bit of a challenge regarding graphics drivers. But I managed, and that gave this fine old machine a second life.

So add a decent graphics adapter, and you could be off.

/gustav

>>> accessd at shaw.ca 16-03-13 5:08 >>>

The computer only has a couple of GB or RAM, 32bit and only a has dual core
so it is hardly a candidate for another version of Windows. 


From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Sat Mar 16 05:19:14 2013
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2013 03:19:14 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Installing a new OS
In-Reply-To: <BF1CA522301D4FB6B6A484575D93A554@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <018c01ce2021$3f985300$bec8f900$@winhaven.net>
	<JIECLJNJOMBJFEDLONCBCENPKAAA.hkotsch@arcor.de>
	<01d101ce2037$346334d0$9d299e70$@winhaven.net>
	<B8AA651A2D344B7787AF551FB5CCF381@HAL9007>
	<01d901ce203a$d169ffe0$743dffa0$@winhaven.net>
	<B3E484E092B848E1B4EBB24773DB4395@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<021c01ce206f$bf5b3f50$3e11bdf0$@winhaven.net>
	<CAAZtbWFrdQQ=T3W69YdNQg46NRsj5nfCiGwjPOzL+D2YMDjnPw@mail.gmail.com>
	<D7EC92442538488896938613207490E1@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<8670AF45073C4D01947311F220E550A7@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<BF1CA522301D4FB6B6A484575D93A554@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <50E4DEF8-9C6C-4BA9-97F1-0E7F09BCF1C8@phulse.com>

There are two answers to this:

1. Depends on what you want to do with this machine

2. Debian Linux

- Hans


On 2013-03-15, at 9:08 PM, "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> It seems that a partician has come free.
> 
> It originally held an older version of Linux but after doing some nasties on
> the directory structure, backing up Windows data over part of it, for no
> apparent reason the system wants to do multiple rebuilds which would waste a
> good hour so why not do something more constructive?
> 
> As the current Linux version is really old, it is time a nice new refresh OS
> and I have been debating which way to go. 
> 
> The computer only has a couple of GB or RAM, 32bit and only a has dual core
> so it is hardly a candidate for another version of Windows. That only leaves
> Linux.
> 
> The real choices, I see, are as follows:
> 
> 1. Ubuntu 12.04 Linux (solid as a rock and brain dead simple)
> 2. Mint 14 Linux (a little more adventuresome)
> 3. OpenSUSE 12.3 Linux (the latest and greatest, right off the showroom
> floor) 
> 
> A recent review from Register:
> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/03/15/suse_linux_12_3_review/
> 
> So which way should I go? Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
> 
> Jim 
> 
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sat Mar 16 07:00:45 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2013 05:00:45 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Installing a new OS
In-Reply-To: <50E4DEF8-9C6C-4BA9-97F1-0E7F09BCF1C8@phulse.com>
References: <018c01ce2021$3f985300$bec8f900$@winhaven.net><JIECLJNJOMBJFEDLONCBCENPKAAA.hkotsch@arcor.de><01d101ce2037$346334d0$9d299e70$@winhaven.net><B8AA651A2D344B7787AF551FB5CCF381@HAL9007><01d901ce203a$d169ffe0$743dffa0$@winhaven.net><B3E484E092B848E1B4EBB24773DB4395@creativesystemdesigns.com><021c01ce206f$bf5b3f50$3e11bdf0$@winhaven.net><CAAZtbWFrdQQ=T3W69YdNQg46NRsj5nfCiGwjPOzL+D2YMDjnPw@mail.gmail.com><D7EC92442538488896938613207490E1@creativesystemdesigns.com><8670AF45073C4D01947311F220E550A7@creativesystemdesigns.com><BF1CA522301D4FB6B6A484575D93A554@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<50E4DEF8-9C6C-4BA9-97F1-0E7F09BCF1C8@phulse.com>
Message-ID: <498C96D25C574031A4770F60C76050B7@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Hi Hans:

Because it will only be a secondary boot system on a dual booting
computer...it will definitely be for play only.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hans-Christian
Andersen
Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 3:19 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Installing a new OS

There are two answers to this:

1. Depends on what you want to do with this machine

2. Debian Linux

- Hans


On 2013-03-15, at 9:08 PM, "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> It seems that a partician has come free.
> 
> It originally held an older version of Linux but after doing some nasties
on
> the directory structure, backing up Windows data over part of it, for no
> apparent reason the system wants to do multiple rebuilds which would waste
a
> good hour so why not do something more constructive?
> 
> As the current Linux version is really old, it is time a nice new refresh
OS
> and I have been debating which way to go. 
> 
> The computer only has a couple of GB or RAM, 32bit and only a has dual
core
> so it is hardly a candidate for another version of Windows. That only
leaves
> Linux.
> 
> The real choices, I see, are as follows:
> 
> 1. Ubuntu 12.04 Linux (solid as a rock and brain dead simple)
> 2. Mint 14 Linux (a little more adventuresome)
> 3. OpenSUSE 12.3 Linux (the latest and greatest, right off the showroom
> floor) 
> 
> A recent review from Register:
> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/03/15/suse_linux_12_3_review/
> 
> So which way should I go? Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
> 
> Jim 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sat Mar 16 07:11:30 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2013 05:11:30 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Installing a new OS
In-Reply-To: <s1443fab.040@cactus.dk>
References: <s1443fab.040@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <D7095F10C2FC42489AACFECF366F8FC4@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Hi Gustav:

It will part of a dual booting system. The default booting partition is
already server2003 enterprise edition. When ever possible I like to use
Windows server machines as it puts them on par with any of my Linux
stations. Maybe a hyper-V server with a graphical interface like
Server-Gui-Mgmt-Infra...I hear it is pretty lean? ;-)

Any recommendations? Any experience with Hyper-V? Maybe the server2003 can
run as a virtual?

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 1:47 AM
To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Installing a new OS

Hi Jim

I have an old HP zd8000 Pavilion with Pentium 4 dual core, 3 GHz, 2 GB ram.
Except for the outdated graphics adapter, it runs Windows 7 at a decent 3.9
experience index.

I was about trashing it but, just for the fun, installed Windows 7. A bit of
a challenge regarding graphics drivers. But I managed, and that gave this
fine old machine a second life.

So add a decent graphics adapter, and you could be off.

/gustav

>>> accessd at shaw.ca 16-03-13 5:08 >>>

The computer only has a couple of GB or RAM, 32bit and only a has dual core
so it is hardly a candidate for another version of Windows. 

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sat Mar 16 07:15:38 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2013 05:15:38 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Installing a new OS
In-Reply-To: <D7095F10C2FC42489AACFECF366F8FC4@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <s1443fab.040@cactus.dk>
	<D7095F10C2FC42489AACFECF366F8FC4@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <07DCABA4D1254A3291FCCC411BD81BA1@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Just discovered...it is only 64 bit. :-( ...time for a new motherboard?

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 5:12 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Installing a new OS

Hi Gustav:

It will part of a dual booting system. The default booting partition is
already server2003 enterprise edition. When ever possible I like to use
Windows server machines as it puts them on par with any of my Linux
stations. Maybe a hyper-V server with a graphical interface like
Server-Gui-Mgmt-Infra...I hear it is pretty lean? ;-)

Any recommendations? Any experience with Hyper-V? Maybe the server2003 can
run as a virtual?

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 1:47 AM
To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Installing a new OS

Hi Jim

I have an old HP zd8000 Pavilion with Pentium 4 dual core, 3 GHz, 2 GB ram.
Except for the outdated graphics adapter, it runs Windows 7 at a decent 3.9
experience index.

I was about trashing it but, just for the fun, installed Windows 7. A bit of
a challenge regarding graphics drivers. But I managed, and that gave this
fine old machine a second life.

So add a decent graphics adapter, and you could be off.

/gustav

>>> accessd at shaw.ca 16-03-13 5:08 >>>

The computer only has a couple of GB or RAM, 32bit and only a has dual core
so it is hardly a candidate for another version of Windows. 

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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Sat Mar 16 07:35:56 2013
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2013 08:35:56 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] MySQL Syntax: Fresh eyes needed
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1gRMMjKrADyKzzqDQ-TBCsAACjQ+AV94rJFNR_L9pqZiQ@mail.gmail.com>

I've been staring at this expression too long and my eyes are beginning to
cross:
<,mysql>
SELECT
IF(ISNULL(customers.`Last Name`),customers.Company,CONCAT(customers.'First
Name',' ', customers.'Last Name')) as 'File As:'
from `customers`
</mysql>

Syntax error. The Concat() part works fine in isolation so the problem is
not there

TIA,
Arthur

From Gustav at cactus.dk  Sat Mar 16 07:59:51 2013
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2013 13:59:51 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Installing a new OS
Message-ID: <s1447afd.043@cactus.dk>

Hi Jim

Yes, no 32-bit. 

These days I will say that 32-bit servers are for dedicated systems only - just like in the old days with no virtualisation.

Even as now obsolete, the old VMware Server 2.0.2  however, runs fine on top of any Windows OS on just about any decent 32-bit machine. Sadly, the tough limition is the 3-4 GB max. ram in a 32-bit OS which doesn't leave more than about 3 GB for the VM. But then again, this may be enough for 2 to 4 Win2000 or XP VMs and a NasLite not heavily loaded.

/gustav

>>> accessd at shaw.ca 16-03-13 13:15 >>>
Just discovered...it is only 64 bit. :-( ...time for a new motherboard?

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 5:12 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Installing a new OS

Hi Gustav:

It will part of a dual booting system. The default booting partition is
already server2003 enterprise edition. When ever possible I like to use
Windows server machines as it puts them on par with any of my Linux
stations. Maybe a hyper-V server with a graphical interface like
Server-Gui-Mgmt-Infra...I hear it is pretty lean? ;-)

Any recommendations? Any experience with Hyper-V? Maybe the server2003 can
run as a virtual?

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 1:47 AM
To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Installing a new OS

Hi Jim

I have an old HP zd8000 Pavilion with Pentium 4 dual core, 3 GHz, 2 GB ram.
Except for the outdated graphics adapter, it runs Windows 7 at a decent 3.9
experience index.

I was about trashing it but, just for the fun, installed Windows 7. A bit of
a challenge regarding graphics drivers. But I managed, and that gave this
fine old machine a second life.

So add a decent graphics adapter, and you could be off.

/gustav

>>> accessd at shaw.ca 16-03-13 5:08 >>>

The computer only has a couple of GB or RAM, 32bit and only a has dual core
so it is hardly a candidate for another version of Windows. 


From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Sat Mar 16 08:34:21 2013
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2013 09:34:21 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] MySQL Syntax: Fresh eyes needed
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1gRMMjKrADyKzzqDQ-TBCsAACjQ+AV94rJFNR_L9pqZiQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1gRMMjKrADyKzzqDQ-TBCsAACjQ+AV94rJFNR_L9pqZiQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <514474DD.6070702@torchlake.com>

Hi Arthur,

Is it because there are no single quotes around Company in argument B of 
the IF statement?

T


Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
231-322-2787

On 3/16/2013 8:35 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote:
> I've been staring at this expression too long and my eyes are beginning to
> cross:
> <,mysql>
> SELECT
> IF(ISNULL(customers.`Last Name`),customers.Company,CONCAT(customers.'First
> Name',' ', customers.'Last Name')) as 'File As:'
> from `customers`
> </mysql>
>
> Syntax error. The Concat() part works fine in isolation so the problem is
> not there
>
> TIA,
> Arthur
> _______________________________________________
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sat Mar 16 08:50:58 2013
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2013 23:50:58 +1000
Subject: [dba-Tech] MySQL Syntax: Fresh eyes needed
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1gRMMjKrADyKzzqDQ-TBCsAACjQ+AV94rJFNR_L9pqZiQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1gRMMjKrADyKzzqDQ-TBCsAACjQ+AV94rJFNR_L9pqZiQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <514478C2.4109.69699E0@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Try 'customers.Last Name' instead of customers.`Last Name' etc

-- 
Stuart

On 16 Mar 2013 at 8:35, Arthur Fuller wrote:

> I've been staring at this expression too long and my eyes are beginning to
> cross:
> <,mysql>
> SELECT
> IF(ISNULL(customers.`Last Name`),customers.Company,CONCAT(customers.'First
> Name',' ', customers.'Last Name')) as 'File As:'
> from `customers`
> </mysql>
> 
> Syntax error. The Concat() part works fine in isolation so the problem is
> not there
> 
> TIA,
> Arthur
> _______________________________________________
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> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 



From peter.brawley at earthlink.net  Sat Mar 16 09:23:38 2013
From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley)
Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2013 09:23:38 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] MySQL Syntax: Fresh eyes needed
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1gRMMjKrADyKzzqDQ-TBCsAACjQ+AV94rJFNR_L9pqZiQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1gRMMjKrADyKzzqDQ-TBCsAACjQ+AV94rJFNR_L9pqZiQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5144806A.4000502@earthlink.net>

On 2013-03-16 7:35 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote:
> I've been staring at this expression too long and my eyes are beginning to
> cross:
> <,mysql>
> SELECT
> IF(ISNULL(customers.`Last Name`),customers.Company,CONCAT(customers.'First
> Name',' ', customers.'Last Name')) as 'File As:'
> from `customers`
> </mysql>
>
> Syntax error. The Concat() part works fine in isolation so the problem is
> not there

Need backticks not single quotes round `First Name` and `Last Name`.

PB

-----

>
> TIA,
> Arthur
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Sat Mar 16 09:43:00 2013
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2013 07:43:00 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] MySQL Syntax: Fresh eyes needed
In-Reply-To: <514478C2.4109.69699E0@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <CAEPJO1gRMMjKrADyKzzqDQ-TBCsAACjQ+AV94rJFNR_L9pqZiQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<514478C2.4109.69699E0@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <7ECC7DF8BD224EF4ACD0CBB33BA2A36F@HAL9007>

OR does it need brackets like [Last Name]?

R
 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 6:51 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] MySQL Syntax: Fresh eyes needed

Try 'customers.Last Name' instead of customers.`Last Name' etc

--
Stuart

On 16 Mar 2013 at 8:35, Arthur Fuller wrote:

> I've been staring at this expression too long and my eyes are 
> beginning to
> cross:
> <,mysql>
> SELECT
> IF(ISNULL(customers.`Last 
> Name`),customers.Company,CONCAT(customers.'First
> Name',' ', customers.'Last Name')) as 'File As:'
> from `customers`
> </mysql>
> 
> Syntax error. The Concat() part works fine in isolation so the problem 
> is not there
> 
> TIA,
> Arthur
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 


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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sat Mar 16 09:48:58 2013
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2013 00:48:58 +1000
Subject: [dba-Tech] MySQL Syntax: Fresh eyes needed
In-Reply-To: <7ECC7DF8BD224EF4ACD0CBB33BA2A36F@HAL9007>
References: <CAEPJO1gRMMjKrADyKzzqDQ-TBCsAACjQ+AV94rJFNR_L9pqZiQ@mail.gmail.com>,
	<514478C2.4109.69699E0@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>,
	<7ECC7DF8BD224EF4ACD0CBB33BA2A36F@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <5144865A.28609.6CBB213@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

MySQL doesn't do backquotes. 

Peter is probably right - I didn't pick that they were single quotes and not backticks.

-- 
Stuart

On 16 Mar 2013 at 7:43, Rocky Smolin wrote:

> OR does it need brackets like [Last Name]?
> 
> R
>  
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
> Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 6:51 AM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] MySQL Syntax: Fresh eyes needed
> 
> Try 'customers.Last Name' instead of customers.`Last Name' etc
> 
> --
> Stuart
> 
> On 16 Mar 2013 at 8:35, Arthur Fuller wrote:
> 
> > I've been staring at this expression too long and my eyes are 
> > beginning to
> > cross:
> > <,mysql>
> > SELECT
> > IF(ISNULL(customers.`Last 
> > Name`),customers.Company,CONCAT(customers.'First
> > Name',' ', customers.'Last Name')) as 'File As:'
> > from `customers`
> > </mysql>
> > 
> > Syntax error. The Concat() part works fine in isolation so the problem 
> > is not there
> > 
> > TIA,
> > Arthur
> > _______________________________________________
> > dba-Tech mailing list
> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sat Mar 16 09:53:14 2013
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2013 00:53:14 +1000
Subject: [dba-Tech] MySQL Syntax: Fresh eyes needed
In-Reply-To: <5144865A.28609.6CBB213@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <CAEPJO1gRMMjKrADyKzzqDQ-TBCsAACjQ+AV94rJFNR_L9pqZiQ@mail.gmail.com>,
	<7ECC7DF8BD224EF4ACD0CBB33BA2A36F@HAL9007>,
	<5144865A.28609.6CBB213@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <5144875A.19900.6CF9B29@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

D*mn, that's what you get posting at this time in the morning.

For "backquotes", read "square brackets".

On 17 Mar 2013 at 0:48, Stuart McLachlan wrote:

> MySQL doesn't do backquotes. 
> 
> Peter is probably right - I didn't pick that they were single quotes and not backticks.
> 
> -- 
> Stuart
> 
> On 16 Mar 2013 at 7:43, Rocky Smolin wrote:
> 
> > OR does it need brackets like [Last Name]?
> > 
> > R
> >  
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
> > Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 6:51 AM
> > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] MySQL Syntax: Fresh eyes needed
> > 
> > Try 'customers.Last Name' instead of customers.`Last Name' etc
> > 
> > --
> > Stuart
> > 
> > On 16 Mar 2013 at 8:35, Arthur Fuller wrote:
> > 
> > > I've been staring at this expression too long and my eyes are 
> > > beginning to
> > > cross:
> > > <,mysql>
> > > SELECT
> > > IF(ISNULL(customers.`Last 
> > > Name`),customers.Company,CONCAT(customers.'First
> > > Name',' ', customers.'Last Name')) as 'File As:'
> > > from `customers`
> > > </mysql>
> > > 
> > > Syntax error. The Concat() part works fine in isolation so the problem 
> > > is not there
> > > 
> > > TIA,
> > > Arthur
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > dba-Tech mailing list
> > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > > 
> > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > dba-Tech mailing list
> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > dba-Tech mailing list
> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From peter.brawley at earthlink.net  Sat Mar 16 17:38:10 2013
From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley)
Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2013 17:38:10 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] MySQL Syntax: Fresh eyes needed
In-Reply-To: <7ECC7DF8BD224EF4ACD0CBB33BA2A36F@HAL9007>
References: <CAEPJO1gRMMjKrADyKzzqDQ-TBCsAACjQ+AV94rJFNR_L9pqZiQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<514478C2.4109.69699E0@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<7ECC7DF8BD224EF4ACD0CBB33BA2A36F@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <5144F452.5000803@earthlink.net>

On 2013-03-16 9:43 AM, Rocky Smolin wrote:
> OR does it need brackets like [Last Name]?

MySQL doesn't support brackets. Requires backticks.

PB

>
> R
>   
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
> Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 6:51 AM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] MySQL Syntax: Fresh eyes needed
>
> Try 'customers.Last Name' instead of customers.`Last Name' etc
>
> --
> Stuart
>
> On 16 Mar 2013 at 8:35, Arthur Fuller wrote:
>
>> I've been staring at this expression too long and my eyes are
>> beginning to
>> cross:
>> <,mysql>
>> SELECT
>> IF(ISNULL(customers.`Last
>> Name`),customers.Company,CONCAT(customers.'First
>> Name',' ', customers.'Last Name')) as 'File As:'
>> from `customers`
>> </mysql>
>>
>> Syntax error. The Concat() part works fine in isolation so the problem
>> is not there
>>
>> TIA,
>> Arthur
>> _______________________________________________
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From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Sat Mar 16 19:01:43 2013
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2013 17:01:43 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Installing a new OS
In-Reply-To: <498C96D25C574031A4770F60C76050B7@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <018c01ce2021$3f985300$bec8f900$@winhaven.net>
	<JIECLJNJOMBJFEDLONCBCENPKAAA.hkotsch@arcor.de>
	<01d101ce2037$346334d0$9d299e70$@winhaven.net>
	<B8AA651A2D344B7787AF551FB5CCF381@HAL9007>
	<01d901ce203a$d169ffe0$743dffa0$@winhaven.net>
	<B3E484E092B848E1B4EBB24773DB4395@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<021c01ce206f$bf5b3f50$3e11bdf0$@winhaven.net>
	<CAAZtbWFrdQQ=T3W69YdNQg46NRsj5nfCiGwjPOzL+D2YMDjnPw@mail.gmail.com>
	<D7EC92442538488896938613207490E1@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<8670AF45073C4D01947311F220E550A7@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<BF1CA522301D4FB6B6A484575D93A554@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<50E4DEF8-9C6C-4BA9-97F1-0E7F09BCF1C8@phulse.com>
	<498C96D25C574031A4770F60C76050B7@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <D5930DA0-1E6E-465A-85AA-57C40CE26856@phulse.com>

What kind of play?

Best regards,
Hans-Christian Andersen


On 16 Mar 2013, at 05:00, "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> Hi Hans:
> 
> Because it will only be a secondary boot system on a dual booting
> computer...it will definitely be for play only.
> 
> Jim
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hans-Christian
> Andersen
> Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 3:19 AM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Installing a new OS
> 
> There are two answers to this:
> 
> 1. Depends on what you want to do with this machine
> 
> 2. Debian Linux
> 
> - Hans
> 
> 
> On 2013-03-15, at 9:08 PM, "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
> 
>> It seems that a partician has come free.
>> 
>> It originally held an older version of Linux but after doing some nasties
> on
>> the directory structure, backing up Windows data over part of it, for no
>> apparent reason the system wants to do multiple rebuilds which would waste
> a
>> good hour so why not do something more constructive?
>> 
>> As the current Linux version is really old, it is time a nice new refresh
> OS
>> and I have been debating which way to go. 
>> 
>> The computer only has a couple of GB or RAM, 32bit and only a has dual
> core
>> so it is hardly a candidate for another version of Windows. That only
> leaves
>> Linux.
>> 
>> The real choices, I see, are as follows:
>> 
>> 1. Ubuntu 12.04 Linux (solid as a rock and brain dead simple)
>> 2. Mint 14 Linux (a little more adventuresome)
>> 3. OpenSUSE 12.3 Linux (the latest and greatest, right off the showroom
>> floor) 
>> 
>> A recent review from Register:
>> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/03/15/suse_linux_12_3_review/
>> 
>> So which way should I go? Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
>> 
>> Jim 
>> 
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Sat Mar 16 19:51:58 2013
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2013 20:51:58 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] MySQL Syntax: Fresh eyes needed
In-Reply-To: <5144F452.5000803@earthlink.net>
References: <CAEPJO1gRMMjKrADyKzzqDQ-TBCsAACjQ+AV94rJFNR_L9pqZiQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<514478C2.4109.69699E0@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<7ECC7DF8BD224EF4ACD0CBB33BA2A36F@HAL9007>
	<5144F452.5000803@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1i3xg2hPTuWRmEW3PfokqJxNa9zxhantXAge00FsHOAwQ@mail.gmail.com>

For what it's worth, I finally arrived at the correct syntax:

<mysql>
SELECT
ifnull(`customers`.`Company`,concat(`customers`.`Last Name`,',
',`customers`.`First Name`)) AS `File As:`,
ifnull(`customers`.`Company`,concat(`customers`.`First Name`,',
',`customers`.`Last Name`)) AS `Customer Name`,
</mysql>

A.


On Sat, Mar 16, 2013 at 6:38 PM, Peter Brawley
<peter.brawley at earthlink.net>wrote:

> On 2013-03-16 9:43 AM, Rocky Smolin wrote:
>
>> OR does it need brackets like [Last Name]?
>>
>
> MySQL doesn't support brackets. Requires backticks.
>
> PB
>
>
>
>> R
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: dba-tech-bounces@**databaseadvisors.com<dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com>
>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces@**databaseadvisors.com<dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com>]
>> On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
>> Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 6:51 AM
>> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] MySQL Syntax: Fresh eyes needed
>>
>> Try 'customers.Last Name' instead of customers.`Last Name' etc
>>
>> --
>> Stuart
>>
>> On 16 Mar 2013 at 8:35, Arthur Fuller wrote:
>>
>>  I've been staring at this expression too long and my eyes are
>>> beginning to
>>> cross:
>>> <,mysql>
>>> SELECT
>>> IF(ISNULL(customers.`Last
>>> Name`),customers.Company,**CONCAT(customers.'First
>>> Name',' ', customers.'Last Name')) as 'File As:'
>>> from `customers`
>>> </mysql>
>>>
>>> Syntax error. The Concat() part works fine in isolation so the problem
>>> is not there
>>>
>>> TIA,
>>> Arthur
>>> ______________________________**_________________
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>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com<http://www.databaseadvisors.com>
>>>
>>>
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>>
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>>
>>
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>



-- 
Arthur
Cell: 647.710.1314

Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
  -- Niels Bohr

From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Sat Mar 16 20:01:28 2013
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2013 18:01:28 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] MySQL Syntax: Fresh eyes needed
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1i3xg2hPTuWRmEW3PfokqJxNa9zxhantXAge00FsHOAwQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1gRMMjKrADyKzzqDQ-TBCsAACjQ+AV94rJFNR_L9pqZiQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<514478C2.4109.69699E0@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<7ECC7DF8BD224EF4ACD0CBB33BA2A36F@HAL9007>
	<5144F452.5000803@earthlink.net>
	<CAEPJO1i3xg2hPTuWRmEW3PfokqJxNa9zxhantXAge00FsHOAwQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ADE0CCC6-FCB3-496A-ACF0-9558ECBCB90D@phulse.com>

Hi Arthur,

You could also use the 'where'/'case' syntax in this case, no?

- Hans


On 2013-03-16, at 5:51 PM, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com> wrote:

> For what it's worth, I finally arrived at the correct syntax:
> 
> <mysql>
> SELECT
> ifnull(`customers`.`Company`,concat(`customers`.`Last Name`,',
> ',`customers`.`First Name`)) AS `File As:`,
> ifnull(`customers`.`Company`,concat(`customers`.`First Name`,',
> ',`customers`.`Last Name`)) AS `Customer Name`,
> </mysql>
> 
> A.
> 
> 
> On Sat, Mar 16, 2013 at 6:38 PM, Peter Brawley
> <peter.brawley at earthlink.net>wrote:
> 
>> On 2013-03-16 9:43 AM, Rocky Smolin wrote:
>> 
>>> OR does it need brackets like [Last Name]?
>>> 
>> 
>> MySQL doesn't support brackets. Requires backticks.
>> 
>> PB
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> R
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: dba-tech-bounces@**databaseadvisors.com<dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com>
>>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces@**databaseadvisors.com<dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com>]
>>> On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
>>> Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 6:51 AM
>>> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>>> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] MySQL Syntax: Fresh eyes needed
>>> 
>>> Try 'customers.Last Name' instead of customers.`Last Name' etc
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Stuart
>>> 
>>> On 16 Mar 2013 at 8:35, Arthur Fuller wrote:
>>> 
>>> I've been staring at this expression too long and my eyes are
>>>> beginning to
>>>> cross:
>>>> <,mysql>
>>>> SELECT
>>>> IF(ISNULL(customers.`Last
>>>> Name`),customers.Company,**CONCAT(customers.'First
>>>> Name',' ', customers.'Last Name')) as 'File As:'
>>>> from `customers`
>>>> </mysql>
>>>> 
>>>> Syntax error. The Concat() part works fine in isolation so the problem
>>>> is not there
>>>> 
>>>> TIA,
>>>> Arthur
>>>> ______________________________**_________________
>>>> dba-Tech mailing list
>>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/dba-tech<http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech>
>>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com<http://www.databaseadvisors.com>
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> ______________________________**_________________
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>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
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>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com<http://www.databaseadvisors.com>
>>> 
>>> ______________________________**_________________
>>> dba-Tech mailing list
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>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/dba-tech<http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech>
>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com<http://www.databaseadvisors.com>
>>> 
>>> 
>> ______________________________**_________________
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>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com<http://www.databaseadvisors.com>
>> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Arthur
> Cell: 647.710.1314
> 
> Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
>  -- Niels Bohr
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Sat Mar 16 20:26:43 2013
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2013 21:26:43 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] MySQL Syntax: Fresh eyes needed
In-Reply-To: <ADE0CCC6-FCB3-496A-ACF0-9558ECBCB90D@phulse.com>
References: <CAEPJO1gRMMjKrADyKzzqDQ-TBCsAACjQ+AV94rJFNR_L9pqZiQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<514478C2.4109.69699E0@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<7ECC7DF8BD224EF4ACD0CBB33BA2A36F@HAL9007>
	<5144F452.5000803@earthlink.net>
	<CAEPJO1i3xg2hPTuWRmEW3PfokqJxNa9zxhantXAge00FsHOAwQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<ADE0CCC6-FCB3-496A-ACF0-9558ECBCB90D@phulse.com>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1iRYKf=EFdO_DyyBwRc98vr8=fk=3v4MKqCBG-=KpHFJA@mail.gmail.com>

Hans,

I guess so, But this was part of an exercise I'm doing that involved
converting an Access sample app to MySQL. This was the only stumbling
block. The entire rest of the conversion, including creation of the MySQL
database and population of its tables, took less than five minutes. Now
that I have a recipe in hand, I'm pretty confident that I can do the same
with almost any Access app.

Which is not to say the conversion is complete, of course. There wouldn't
be a lot of point in the conversion unless the intention was to move the
queries into the database as well, in the form of SPs invoked by Pass-Thru
Queries.

In the course of this exercise, which happened to dovetail with the
requirements of a "mentoring" gig I recently landed, I have learned quite a
bit about PTQs, and also written a cool utility that makes child's play of
dealing with parameters for a PTQ.

The performance is better by a factor of 10 or so. With a small dataset,
it's hard to notice, but with a large dataset it's so obvious you don't
need to benchmark it. It drops from ~5 seconds to sub-second times.

Anyway, turns out this syntax-sidetrack was worth it, since it led to me
examining how to handle all the data types that can be passed as parameters
to a stored procedure via a PTQ. Now I know -- how to handle dates, nulls,
IIF() Access expressions, etc.

A.


From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Sun Mar 17 13:15:09 2013
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2013 14:15:09 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Bizarre Font event
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1iuPV+G0E0NBr5gVcCUx4SBbPpNVk=DP390W6HotUkErg@mail.gmail.com>

I'm working with a guy in San Francisco. The app is Access + MySQL back
end. We use a cool MySQL IDE called Navicat, one of whose virtues is easy
backups.

I did a little demo app of some concepts we're exploring vis-a-vis his big
app. I sent my colleague a zip containing the Access FE and the MySQL
backup. He restored it on his server, set up a DSN and ran the demo.

The demo works fine, in terms of functionality. But for some reason, some
of the text fields are displayed in Chinese characters. An examination of
the tabledefs within Access reveals that Access thinks these fields are
binary, when in fact they are just text. How this happened, or in which
piece of software, I have no idea.

Has anyone ever seen this sort of behaviour before? Or know what can be
done to fix it?

TIA,
Arthur

From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Sun Mar 17 14:06:21 2013
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2013 15:06:21 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Bizarre Font event
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1iuPV+G0E0NBr5gVcCUx4SBbPpNVk=DP390W6HotUkErg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1iuPV+G0E0NBr5gVcCUx4SBbPpNVk=DP390W6HotUkErg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5146142D.50000@torchlake.com>

Seen it before?  Yes.
Understand why it happened?  No.
I hope somebody on this list does know why that can happen.
T

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
231-322-2787

On 3/17/2013 2:15 PM, Arthur Fuller wrote:
> I'm working with a guy in San Francisco. The app is Access + MySQL back
> end. We use a cool MySQL IDE called Navicat, one of whose virtues is easy
> backups.
>
> I did a little demo app of some concepts we're exploring vis-a-vis his big
> app. I sent my colleague a zip containing the Access FE and the MySQL
> backup. He restored it on his server, set up a DSN and ran the demo.
>
> The demo works fine, in terms of functionality. But for some reason, some
> of the text fields are displayed in Chinese characters. An examination of
> the tabledefs within Access reveals that Access thinks these fields are
> binary, when in fact they are just text. How this happened, or in which
> piece of software, I have no idea.
>
> Has anyone ever seen this sort of behaviour before? Or know what can be
> done to fix it?
>
> TIA,
> Arthur
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>


From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Sun Mar 17 19:52:04 2013
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2013 17:52:04 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Bizarre Font event
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1iuPV+G0E0NBr5gVcCUx4SBbPpNVk=DP390W6HotUkErg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1iuPV+G0E0NBr5gVcCUx4SBbPpNVk=DP390W6HotUkErg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0D0625C2-454F-4547-AF3D-8BA93E1C587C@phulse.com>

Hi Arthur,

Assuming all things being equal, maybe navicat didn't export the coalition correctly and it's importing using the wrong UTF8 character set?

Try using the mysqldump tool instead?

- Hans


On 2013-03-17, at 11:15 AM, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com> wrote:

> I'm working with a guy in San Francisco. The app is Access + MySQL back
> end. We use a cool MySQL IDE called Navicat, one of whose virtues is easy
> backups.
> 
> I did a little demo app of some concepts we're exploring vis-a-vis his big
> app. I sent my colleague a zip containing the Access FE and the MySQL
> backup. He restored it on his server, set up a DSN and ran the demo.
> 
> The demo works fine, in terms of functionality. But for some reason, some
> of the text fields are displayed in Chinese characters. An examination of
> the tabledefs within Access reveals that Access thinks these fields are
> binary, when in fact they are just text. How this happened, or in which
> piece of software, I have no idea.
> 
> Has anyone ever seen this sort of behaviour before? Or know what can be
> done to fix it?
> 
> TIA,
> Arthur
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com


From peter.brawley at earthlink.net  Sun Mar 17 19:57:21 2013
From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley)
Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2013 19:57:21 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Bizarre Font event
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1iuPV+G0E0NBr5gVcCUx4SBbPpNVk=DP390W6HotUkErg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1iuPV+G0E0NBr5gVcCUx4SBbPpNVk=DP390W6HotUkErg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <51466671.4050407@earthlink.net>

On 2013-03-17 1:15 PM, Arthur Fuller wrote:
> I'm working with a guy in San Francisco. The app is Access + MySQL back
> end. We use a cool MySQL IDE called Navicat, one of whose virtues is easy
> backups.
>
> I did a little demo app of some concepts we're exploring vis-a-vis his big
> app. I sent my colleague a zip containing the Access FE and the MySQL
> backup. He restored it on his server, set up a DSN and ran the demo.
>
> The demo works fine, in terms of functionality. But for some reason, some
> of the text fields are displayed in Chinese characters. An examination of
> the tabledefs within Access reveals that Access thinks these fields are
> binary, when in fact they are just text. How this happened, or in which
> piece of software, I have no idea.

The short answer is, to avoid MySQL charset hell do everything 
(database, app, /everything/) in UTF8. For the longer answer see 
http://www.bluebox.net/about/blog/2009/07/mysql_encoding/.

PB

-----

>
> Has anyone ever seen this sort of behaviour before? Or know what can be
> done to fix it?
>
> TIA,
> Arthur
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>


From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Mon Mar 18 00:50:08 2013
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 01:50:08 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Bizarre Font event
In-Reply-To: <51466671.4050407@earthlink.net>
References: <CAEPJO1iuPV+G0E0NBr5gVcCUx4SBbPpNVk=DP390W6HotUkErg@mail.gmail.com>
	<51466671.4050407@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1jCVQ1Nft+3+W==6osV29k-FM3vuUXkrgy_5wnbZj8HgA@mail.gmail.com>

Actually the problem got resolved once said colleague upgraded to the
latest MySQL. Dunno what that means about the previous version, and frankly
I don't care. Point is, once he upgraded the problem disappeared, and at
last we are on more serious issues.

Aside from this glitch, we are doing swimmingly well, And all this has
caused me to write some code to deal with PTQs very efficiently.


On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 8:57 PM, Peter Brawley
<peter.brawley at earthlink.net>wrote:

> On 2013-03-17 1:15 PM, Arthur Fuller wrote:
>
>> I'm working with a guy in San Francisco. The app is Access + MySQL back
>> end. We use a cool MySQL IDE called Navicat, one of whose virtues is easy
>> backups.
>>
>> I did a little demo app of some concepts we're exploring vis-a-vis his big
>> app. I sent my colleague a zip containing the Access FE and the MySQL
>> backup. He restored it on his server, set up a DSN and ran the demo.
>>
>> The demo works fine, in terms of functionality. But for some reason, some
>> of the text fields are displayed in Chinese characters. An examination of
>> the tabledefs within Access reveals that Access thinks these fields are
>> binary, when in fact they are just text. How this happened, or in which
>> piece of software, I have no idea.
>>
>
> The short answer is, to avoid MySQL charset hell do everything (database,
> app, /everything/) in UTF8. For the longer answer see
> http://www.bluebox.net/about/**blog/2009/07/mysql_encoding/<http://www.bluebox.net/about/blog/2009/07/mysql_encoding/>
> .
>
> PB
>
> -----
>
>
>> Has anyone ever seen this sort of behaviour before? Or know what can be
>> done to fix it?
>>
>> TIA,
>> Arthur
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Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
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From john at winhaven.net  Mon Mar 18 12:16:28 2013
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 12:16:28 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] MalwareBytes license for half price
Message-ID: <01ee01ce23fc$53fc0880$fbf41980$@winhaven.net>

Here is a link to get a lifetime license for MalwareBytes at half price:
http://www.bitsdujour.com/

It's a great cleanup tool. I use it in conjunction with Vipre (must turn off
MWB's active protection, which isn't very good anyway). I rarely need it
because of Vipre's superb active protection but nothing is perfect. It's
definitely worth $12 for a lifetime license!

In addition to other tools I use MWB to clean up new client PCs that have
other, less capable, AVs installed.

HTH
John B



From gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Mar 18 12:49:01 2013
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 18:49:01 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] MalwareBytes license for half price
Message-ID: <00d201ce2400$e01733e0$a0459ba0$@cactus.dk>

Hi John

Yes, MallwareBytes - and TrojanHunter - clean the street when others give
up.

/gustav


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Sendt: 18. marts 2013 18:16
Til: dba-ot at databaseadvisors.com; DBA-Tech
Emne: [dba-Tech] MalwareBytes license for half price

Here is a link to get a lifetime license for MalwareBytes at half price:
http://www.bitsdujour.com/

It's a great cleanup tool. I use it in conjunction with Vipre (must turn off
MWB's active protection, which isn't very good anyway). I rarely need it
because of Vipre's superb active protection but nothing is perfect. It's
definitely worth $12 for a lifetime license!

In addition to other tools I use MWB to clean up new client PCs that have
other, less capable, AVs installed.

HTH
John B 



From john at winhaven.net  Tue Mar 19 12:17:54 2013
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 12:17:54 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] XP Mode shortcuts icons in Windows 7
Message-ID: <013501ce24c5$b1cf1960$156d4c20$@winhaven.net>

I have an XP mode program that doesn't seem to want to publish the shortcut
icon to Windows 7. It is installed for all users and the shortcut icons are
located in the all users folder of the start menu. Has anyone had experience
with this trouble or have an idea how to remedy it?

John B


From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Mar 19 13:12:03 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 11:12:03 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] XP Mode shortcuts icons in Windows 7
In-Reply-To: <013501ce24c5$b1cf1960$156d4c20$@winhaven.net>
References: <013501ce24c5$b1cf1960$156d4c20$@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <2E88154F5DB94E439F217BBFB7C2EA84@creativesystemdesigns.com>

That is a strange one John.... 

I have not ran into such a situation before. There must be some extenuating
circumstances. I like you, will check the internet as this issue has tweaked
my curiosity. (Between compiles though ;-))

Jim

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Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2013 10:18 AM
To: DBA-Tech
Subject: [dba-Tech] XP Mode shortcuts icons in Windows 7

I have an XP mode program that doesn't seem to want to publish the shortcut
icon to Windows 7. It is installed for all users and the shortcut icons are
located in the all users folder of the start menu. Has anyone had experience
with this trouble or have an idea how to remedy it?

John B

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Mar 19 13:15:44 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 11:15:44 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] A new compiled JavaScript?
In-Reply-To: <013501ce24c5$b1cf1960$156d4c20$@winhaven.net>
References: <013501ce24c5$b1cf1960$156d4c20$@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <746F49690D0749B5B4E65D2D643E6E75@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Hi All:

Has anyone seen or worked with the Dart product? It looks interesting in
that it allows a developer to design in a structured language and then it
compiles to standard HTML5 JavaScript code.

http://www.dartlang.org/

Jim 


From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Tue Mar 19 16:16:41 2013
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 01:16:41 +0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?A_new_compiled_JavaScript=3F?=
In-Reply-To: <746F49690D0749B5B4E65D2D643E6E75@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <013501ce24c5$b1cf1960$156d4c20$@winhaven.net>
	<746F49690D0749B5B4E65D2D643E6E75@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <1363727801.938148986@f48.mail.ru>

 Hi Jim --

Thank you for your link.

Concerning your question: "No, I haven't worked with DART."

Quick googling gives:

Douglas Crockford, when asked about Dart during his Programming Style and Your Brain lecture, replied:?"So, I've thought for a long time ... if I could take a clean sheet of paper and write [a new language] that retains all the goodness of [Javascript] ... I would not have come up with anything like Dart." ?(Source:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dart_(programming_language )?) Resume: if not pure JavaScript (with jQuery etc.) then go TypeScript ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TypeScript ) not DART.?:)

Thank you.

-- Shamil


???????, 19 ????? 2013, 11:15 -07:00 ?? "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca>:
>Hi All:
>
>Has anyone seen or worked with the Dart product? It looks interesting in
>that it allows a developer to design in a structured language and then it
>compiles to standard HTML5 JavaScript code.
>
>http://www.dartlang.org/
>
>Jim 
>
>_______________________________________________
>dba-Tech mailing list
>dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Tue Mar 19 16:52:57 2013
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 07:52:57 +1000
Subject: [dba-Tech] A new compiled JavaScript?
In-Reply-To: <746F49690D0749B5B4E65D2D643E6E75@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <013501ce24c5$b1cf1960$156d4c20$@winhaven.net>,
	<746F49690D0749B5B4E65D2D643E6E75@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <5148DE39.18679.17C2D63E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Please, can we stop this abuse of the word "compiler" which has crept in recently.  

To me a compiler is still something that converts a high level language to a low level set of 
instructions -  usually machine code.

Javascript is an interpreted language..

Dart uses a "cross-language translator", not a compiler  to generate javascript.


-- 
Stuart

On 19 Mar 2013 at 11:15, Jim Lawrence wrote:

> Hi All:
> 
> Has anyone seen or worked with the Dart product? It looks interesting in
> that it allows a developer to design in a structured language and then it
> compiles to standard HTML5 JavaScript code.
> 
> http://www.dartlang.org/
> 
> Jim 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 



From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Tue Mar 19 16:56:31 2013
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 17:56:31 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] A new compiled JavaScript?
In-Reply-To: <5148DE39.18679.17C2D63E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <013501ce24c5$b1cf1960$156d4c20$@winhaven.net>
	<746F49690D0749B5B4E65D2D643E6E75@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<5148DE39.18679.17C2D63E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1ivu99zc0GrKJyVaXyd6W9z4PUzYeLFnQq59DrksGE_DQ@mail.gmail.com>

A friend of mine, author of a compiler, has a shirt that reads, "Real
programmers don't *use* compilers. They *write* compilers.

A,


On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 5:52 PM, Stuart McLachlan <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>wrote:

> Please, can we stop this abuse of the word "compiler" which has crept in
> recently.
>
> To me a compiler is still something that converts a high level language to
> a low level set of
> instructions -  usually machine code.
>
> Javascript is an interpreted language..
>
> Dart uses a "cross-language translator", not a compiler  to generate
> javascript.
>
>
> --
> Stuart
>
> On 19 Mar 2013 at 11:15, Jim Lawrence wrote:
>
> > Hi All:
> >
> > Has anyone seen or worked with the Dart product? It looks interesting in
> > that it allows a developer to design in a structured language and then it
> > compiles to standard HTML5 JavaScript code.
> >
> > http://www.dartlang.org/
> >
> > Jim
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > dba-Tech mailing list
> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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-- 
Arthur
Cell: 647.710.1314

Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
  -- Niels Bohr

From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Tue Mar 19 17:20:16 2013
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 15:20:16 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] A new compiled JavaScript?
In-Reply-To: <1363727801.938148986@f48.mail.ru>
References: <013501ce24c5$b1cf1960$156d4c20$@winhaven.net>
	<746F49690D0749B5B4E65D2D643E6E75@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<1363727801.938148986@f48.mail.ru>
Message-ID: <F827F500-ED2C-4F75-8FDF-DB50BC45263D@phulse.com>

I'd rather go with CoffeeScript than TypeScript.

- Hans


On 2013-03-19, at 2:16 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil <mcp2004 at mail.ru> wrote:

> Hi Jim --
> 
> Thank you for your link.
> 
> Concerning your question: "No, I haven't worked with DART."
> 
> Quick googling gives:
> 
> Douglas Crockford, when asked about Dart during his Programming Style and Your Brain lecture, replied: "So, I've thought for a long time ... if I could take a clean sheet of paper and write [a new language] that retains all the goodness of [Javascript] ... I would not have come up with anything like Dart."  (Source:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dart_(programming_language ) ) Resume: if not pure JavaScript (with jQuery etc.) then go TypeScript ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TypeScript ) not DART. :)
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> -- Shamil
> 
> 
> ???????, 19 ????? 2013, 11:15 -07:00 ?? "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca>:
>> Hi All:
>> 
>> Has anyone seen or worked with the Dart product? It looks interesting in
>> that it allows a developer to design in a structured language and then it
>> compiles to standard HTML5 JavaScript code.
>> 
>> http://www.dartlang.org/
>> 
>> Jim 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> dba-Tech mailing list
>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>> Website:  http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Tue Mar 19 17:23:27 2013
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 08:23:27 +1000
Subject: [dba-Tech] A new compiled JavaScript?
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1ivu99zc0GrKJyVaXyd6W9z4PUzYeLFnQq59DrksGE_DQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <013501ce24c5$b1cf1960$156d4c20$@winhaven.net>,
	<5148DE39.18679.17C2D63E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>,
	<CAEPJO1ivu99zc0GrKJyVaXyd6W9z4PUzYeLFnQq59DrksGE_DQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5148E55F.27333.17DEC0DB@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

The obligatory XKCD reference:

http://xkcd.com/378/

:-)

On 19 Mar 2013 at 17:56, Arthur Fuller wrote:

> A friend of mine, author of a compiler, has a shirt that reads, "Real
> programmers don't *use* compilers. They *write* compilers.
> 
> A,
> 
> 
> On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 5:52 PM, Stuart McLachlan <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>wrote:
> 
> > Please, can we stop this abuse of the word "compiler" which has crept in
> > recently.
> >
> > To me a compiler is still something that converts a high level language to
> > a low level set of
> > instructions -  usually machine code.
> >
> > Javascript is an interpreted language..
> >
> > Dart uses a "cross-language translator", not a compiler  to generate
> > javascript.
> >
> >
> > --
> > Stuart
> >
> > On 19 Mar 2013 at 11:15, Jim Lawrence wrote:
> >
> > > Hi All:
> > >
> > > Has anyone seen or worked with the Dart product? It looks interesting in
> > > that it allows a developer to design in a structured language and then it
> > > compiles to standard HTML5 JavaScript code.
> > >
> > > http://www.dartlang.org/
> > >
> > > Jim
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > dba-Tech mailing list
> > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Arthur
> Cell: 647.710.1314
> 
> Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.
>   -- Niels Bohr
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From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Tue Mar 19 17:26:17 2013
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 15:26:17 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] A new compiled JavaScript?
In-Reply-To: <5148DE39.18679.17C2D63E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <013501ce24c5$b1cf1960$156d4c20$@winhaven.net>
	<746F49690D0749B5B4E65D2D643E6E75@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<5148DE39.18679.17C2D63E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <7624FE16-3C60-4B71-BAC8-131A4A7FDF57@phulse.com>

Unfortunately, the word "compile" pre-dates computers.

- Hans


On 2013-03-19, at 2:52 PM, "Stuart McLachlan" <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg> wrote:

> Please, can we stop this abuse of the word "compiler" which has crept in recently.  
> 
> To me a compiler is still something that converts a high level language to a low level set of 
> instructions -  usually machine code.
> 
> Javascript is an interpreted language..
> 
> Dart uses a "cross-language translator", not a compiler  to generate javascript.
> 
> 
> -- 
> Stuart
> 
> On 19 Mar 2013 at 11:15, Jim Lawrence wrote:
> 
>> Hi All:
>> 
>> Has anyone seen or worked with the Dart product? It looks interesting in
>> that it allows a developer to design in a structured language and then it
>> compiles to standard HTML5 JavaScript code.
>> 
>> http://www.dartlang.org/
>> 
>> Jim 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> dba-Tech mailing list
>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 
> 
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From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Tue Mar 19 17:52:35 2013
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 02:52:35 +0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?A_new_compiled_JavaScript=3F?=
In-Reply-To: <F827F500-ED2C-4F75-8FDF-DB50BC45263D@phulse.com>
References: <013501ce24c5$b1cf1960$156d4c20$@winhaven.net>
	<1363727801.938148986@f48.mail.ru>
	<F827F500-ED2C-4F75-8FDF-DB50BC45263D@phulse.com>
Message-ID: <1363733555.147084893@f364.mail.ru>

 Hi Hans --

Of course - you're from "Ruby camp" :)

But what about: 

" TypeScript is not a crutch any more than JSLint is a crutch. It doesn?t hide JavaScript (as CoffeeScript tends to do)." - Ward Bell

Source:? http://www.hanselman.com/blog/WhyDoesTypeScriptHaveToBeTheAnswerToAnything.aspx

-- Shamil


???????, 19 ????? 2013, 15:20 -07:00 ?? Hans-Christian Andersen <hans.andersen at phulse.com>:
>I'd rather go with CoffeeScript than TypeScript.
>
>- Hans
>
>
>On 2013-03-19, at 2:16 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil < mcp2004 at mail.ru > wrote:
>
>> Hi Jim --
>> 
>> Thank you for your link.
>> 
>> Concerning your question: "No, I haven't worked with DART."
>> 
>> Quick googling gives:
>> 
>> Douglas Crockford, when asked about Dart during his Programming Style and Your Brain lecture, replied: "So, I've thought for a long time ... if I could take a clean sheet of paper and write [a new language] that retains all the goodness of [Javascript] ... I would not have come up with anything like Dart."  (Source:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dart_ (programming_language ) ) Resume: if not pure JavaScript (with jQuery etc.) then go TypeScript (  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TypeScript ) not DART. :)
>> 
>> Thank you.
>> 
>> -- Shamil
>> 
>> 
>> ???????, 19 ????? 2013, 11:15 -07:00 ?? "Jim Lawrence" < accessd at shaw.ca >:
>>> Hi All:
>>> 
>>> Has anyone seen or worked with the Dart product? It looks interesting in
>>> that it allows a developer to design in a structured language and then it
>>> compiles to standard HTML5 JavaScript code.
>>> 
>>>  http://www.dartlang.org/
>>> 
>>> Jim 
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> dba-Tech mailing list
>>>  dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>>>  http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>>> Website:  http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
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>>  dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
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From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Tue Mar 19 19:42:40 2013
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 17:42:40 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] A new compiled JavaScript?
In-Reply-To: <1363733555.147084893@f364.mail.ru>
References: <013501ce24c5$b1cf1960$156d4c20$@winhaven.net>
	<1363727801.938148986@f48.mail.ru>
	<F827F500-ED2C-4F75-8FDF-DB50BC45263D@phulse.com>
	<1363733555.147084893@f364.mail.ru>
Message-ID: <F7393C96-431A-4524-8D62-9373431F97C5@phulse.com>

You quote that as if its a bad thing! After all, all languages and frameworks do that very thing to one extent or another. One could say the very same thing about even Assembler. If it lets you write smaller and more legible code without any serious downsides, I'm all for it.

Btw, I am not from the Ruby camp. :) (and it would be more accurate to reference the Rails camp, as Ruby and Ruby on Rails are different things for different people). I've used CoffeeScript very happily on projects across the board of web languages (PHP, Python/Django and Rails) and I'm hoping to shim it into my current PHP/Backbone.js project.

- Hans


On 2013-03-19, at 3:52 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil <mcp2004 at mail.ru> wrote:

> Hi Hans --
> 
> Of course - you're from "Ruby camp" :)
> 
> But what about: 
> 
> " TypeScript is not a crutch any more than JSLint is a crutch. It doesn?t hide JavaScript (as CoffeeScript tends to do)." - Ward Bell
> 
> Source:  http://www.hanselman.com/blog/WhyDoesTypeScriptHaveToBeTheAnswerToAnything.aspx
> 
> -- Shamil
> 
> 
> ???????, 19 ????? 2013, 15:20 -07:00 ?? Hans-Christian Andersen <hans.andersen at phulse.com>:
>> I'd rather go with CoffeeScript than TypeScript.
>> 
>> - Hans
>> 
>> 
>> On 2013-03-19, at 2:16 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil < mcp2004 at mail.ru > wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Jim --
>>> 
>>> Thank you for your link.
>>> 
>>> Concerning your question: "No, I haven't worked with DART."
>>> 
>>> Quick googling gives:
>>> 
>>> Douglas Crockford, when asked about Dart during his Programming Style and Your Brain lecture, replied: "So, I've thought for a long time ... if I could take a clean sheet of paper and write [a new language] that retains all the goodness of [Javascript] ... I would not have come up with anything like Dart."  (Source:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dart_ (programming_language ) ) Resume: if not pure JavaScript (with jQuery etc.) then go TypeScript (  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TypeScript ) not DART. :)
>>> 
>>> Thank you.
>>> 
>>> -- Shamil
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ???????, 19 ????? 2013, 11:15 -07:00 ?? "Jim Lawrence" < accessd at shaw.ca >:
>>>> Hi All:
>>>> 
>>>> Has anyone seen or worked with the Dart product? It looks interesting in
>>>> that it allows a developer to design in a structured language and then it
>>>> compiles to standard HTML5 JavaScript code.
>>>> 
>>>> http://www.dartlang.org/
>>>> 
>>>> Jim 
>>>> 
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> dba-Tech mailing list
>>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>>>> Website:  http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> dba-Tech mailing list
>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>>> Website:  http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Mar 19 20:11:02 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 18:11:02 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] A new compiled JavaScript?
In-Reply-To: <5148DE39.18679.17C2D63E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
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I know it confuses but I then use it when ever a process is designed to
render an application down to smaller and faster. 

Sometimes it goes no further than P-Code, or translator code or minimizing
code (modernizr) or correlate or assemble and then there is JIT compilers.
Supposedly, the new webkit is written in JavaScript compiled all the way to
native assembler... The compiler, went finished will be an OSS project.

There are languages like Truetype that are supposed to extend the language.
Dart is not one of those but creates a structured environment in which to
code, create classes etc and then renders (as you do not like the word
compile) the results down to true HTML 5 JavaScript.
 
Jim 

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Please, can we stop this abuse of the word "compiler" which has crept in
recently.  

To me a compiler is still something that converts a high level language to a
low level set of 
instructions -  usually machine code.

Javascript is an interpreted language..

Dart uses a "cross-language translator", not a compiler  to generate
javascript.


-- 
Stuart

On 19 Mar 2013 at 11:15, Jim Lawrence wrote:

> Hi All:
> 
> Has anyone seen or worked with the Dart product? It looks interesting in
> that it allows a developer to design in a structured language and then it
> compiles to standard HTML5 JavaScript code.
> 
> http://www.dartlang.org/
> 
> Jim 
> 
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Mar 19 20:44:14 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 18:44:14 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] A new compiled JavaScript?
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Hi Stewart:

That is funny.

Jim

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[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2013 3:23 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] A new compiled JavaScript?

The obligatory XKCD reference:

http://xkcd.com/378/

:-)

On 19 Mar 2013 at 17:56, Arthur Fuller wrote:

> A friend of mine, author of a compiler, has a shirt that reads, "Real
> programmers don't *use* compilers. They *write* compilers.
> 
> A,
> 
> 
> On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 5:52 PM, Stuart McLachlan
<stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>wrote:
> 
> > Please, can we stop this abuse of the word "compiler" which has crept in
> > recently.
> >
> > To me a compiler is still something that converts a high level language
to
> > a low level set of
> > instructions -  usually machine code.
> >
> > Javascript is an interpreted language..
> >
> > Dart uses a "cross-language translator", not a compiler  to generate
> > javascript.
> >
> >
> > --
> > Stuart
> >
> > On 19 Mar 2013 at 11:15, Jim Lawrence wrote:
> >
> > > Hi All:
> > >
> > > Has anyone seen or worked with the Dart product? It looks interesting
in
> > > that it allows a developer to design in a structured language and then
it
> > > compiles to standard HTML5 JavaScript code.
> > >
> > > http://www.dartlang.org/
> > >
> > > Jim
> > >
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> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
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> >
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> 
> 
> 
> -- 
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Mar 19 21:12:53 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 19:12:53 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] A new compiled JavaScript?
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Hi Shamil:

An aside: I have always been a little apprehensive of either Microsoft's or
Google's commitment to any type of programming environment as they may pull
support at a moments notice for any number of reasons.

<rant on>
They sometimes just create an application for training purposes of their
staff, or because of some GPL licensing agreement, or to muddy the waters of
another competitor, or on some wild prospecting adventure. Then they may
just pull or drop the program as it may be challenging their high-end
products, or they loose interest, or a application no longer fits their new
model. 

That is why, no matter how interested I am in any application that either
make; I always find myself looking for a quick exit if or when they bale,
yet again.

Didn't Microsoft just announce they are removing messenger capabilities from
Skype, I guess to many were using it instead of their other Messenger. Then
they are dropping Windows 8 support from their phones, just like
Silverlight. Google has just dropped Google Docs and RSS feeds for anyone
but their paying customers...Most of Google translation functionality has
gone. Google has been making great strides designing on top of open GPL
products and now is trying apply charges to their efforts.

Then Microsoft has been censured because they have left an backdoor into
their Skype that any government can use...I understand it is a big problem
in Russia. Then the ECM is threatening to out right ban Google's Glass
project unless they will absolutely guarantee privacy for the users.

Both are becoming more untrustworthy but the day.
<rant off>

It is now so hard to know which way to go in product development.

Jim 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov
Shamil
Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2013 2:17 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] A new compiled JavaScript?

 Hi Jim --

Thank you for your link.

Concerning your question: "No, I haven't worked with DART."

Quick googling gives:

Douglas Crockford, when asked about Dart during his Programming Style and
Your Brain lecture, replied:?"So, I've thought for a long time ... if I
could take a clean sheet of paper and write [a new language] that retains
all the goodness of [Javascript] ... I would not have come up with anything
like Dart." ?(Source:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dart_(programming_language )?) Resume: if not
pure JavaScript (with jQuery etc.) then go TypeScript (
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TypeScript ) not DART.?:)

Thank you.

-- Shamil


???????, 19 ????? 2013, 11:15 -07:00 ?? "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca>:
>Hi All:
>
>Has anyone seen or worked with the Dart product? It looks interesting in
>that it allows a developer to design in a structured language and then it
>compiles to standard HTML5 JavaScript code.
>
>http://www.dartlang.org/
>
>Jim 
>
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From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Tue Mar 19 22:03:27 2013
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 20:03:27 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] A new compiled JavaScript?
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> Didn't Microsoft just announce they are removing messenger capabilities from Skype

> Google has just dropped Google Docs

Wait... when did this happen? I haven't heard of this.

- Hans


On 2013-03-19, at 7:12 PM, "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> Hi Shamil:
> 
> An aside: I have always been a little apprehensive of either Microsoft's or
> Google's commitment to any type of programming environment as they may pull
> support at a moments notice for any number of reasons.
> 
> <rant on>
> They sometimes just create an application for training purposes of their
> staff, or because of some GPL licensing agreement, or to muddy the waters of
> another competitor, or on some wild prospecting adventure. Then they may
> just pull or drop the program as it may be challenging their high-end
> products, or they loose interest, or a application no longer fits their new
> model. 
> 
> That is why, no matter how interested I am in any application that either
> make; I always find myself looking for a quick exit if or when they bale,
> yet again.
> 
> Didn't Microsoft just announce they are removing messenger capabilities from
> Skype, I guess to many were using it instead of their other Messenger. Then
> they are dropping Windows 8 support from their phones, just like
> Silverlight. Google has just dropped Google Docs and RSS feeds for anyone
> but their paying customers...Most of Google translation functionality has
> gone. Google has been making great strides designing on top of open GPL
> products and now is trying apply charges to their efforts.
> 
> Then Microsoft has been censured because they have left an backdoor into
> their Skype that any government can use...I understand it is a big problem
> in Russia. Then the ECM is threatening to out right ban Google's Glass
> project unless they will absolutely guarantee privacy for the users.
> 
> Both are becoming more untrustworthy but the day.
> <rant off>
> 
> It is now so hard to know which way to go in product development.
> 
> Jim 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov
> Shamil
> Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2013 2:17 PM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] A new compiled JavaScript?
> 
> Hi Jim --
> 
> Thank you for your link.
> 
> Concerning your question: "No, I haven't worked with DART."
> 
> Quick googling gives:
> 
> Douglas Crockford, when asked about Dart during his Programming Style and
> Your Brain lecture, replied: "So, I've thought for a long time ... if I
> could take a clean sheet of paper and write [a new language] that retains
> all the goodness of [Javascript] ... I would not have come up with anything
> like Dart."  (Source:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dart_(programming_language ) ) Resume: if not
> pure JavaScript (with jQuery etc.) then go TypeScript (
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TypeScript ) not DART. :)
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> -- Shamil
> 
> 
> ???????, 19 ????? 2013, 11:15 -07:00 ?? "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca>:
>> Hi All:
>> 
>> Has anyone seen or worked with the Dart product? It looks interesting in
>> that it allows a developer to design in a structured language and then it
>> compiles to standard HTML5 JavaScript code.
>> 
>> http://www.dartlang.org/
>> 
>> Jim 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
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From peter.brawley at earthlink.net  Tue Mar 19 22:51:53 2013
From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley)
Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 22:51:53 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] A new compiled JavaScript?
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On 2013-03-19 10:03 PM, Hans-Christian Andersen wrote:
> Didn't Microsoft just announce they are removing messenger capabilities from Skype
>> Google has just dropped Google Docs
> Wait... when did this happen? I haven't heard of this.

I thought they'd just dropped support for old MS Office formats?

PB

------

>
> - Hans
>
>
> On 2013-03-19, at 7:12 PM, "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
>
>> Hi Shamil:
>>
>> An aside: I have always been a little apprehensive of either Microsoft's or
>> Google's commitment to any type of programming environment as they may pull
>> support at a moments notice for any number of reasons.
>>
>> <rant on>
>> They sometimes just create an application for training purposes of their
>> staff, or because of some GPL licensing agreement, or to muddy the waters of
>> another competitor, or on some wild prospecting adventure. Then they may
>> just pull or drop the program as it may be challenging their high-end
>> products, or they loose interest, or a application no longer fits their new
>> model.
>>
>> That is why, no matter how interested I am in any application that either
>> make; I always find myself looking for a quick exit if or when they bale,
>> yet again.
>>
>> Didn't Microsoft just announce they are removing messenger capabilities from
>> Skype, I guess to many were using it instead of their other Messenger. Then
>> they are dropping Windows 8 support from their phones, just like
>> Silverlight. Google has just dropped Google Docs and RSS feeds for anyone
>> but their paying customers...Most of Google translation functionality has
>> gone. Google has been making great strides designing on top of open GPL
>> products and now is trying apply charges to their efforts.
>>
>> Then Microsoft has been censured because they have left an backdoor into
>> their Skype that any government can use...I understand it is a big problem
>> in Russia. Then the ECM is threatening to out right ban Google's Glass
>> project unless they will absolutely guarantee privacy for the users.
>>
>> Both are becoming more untrustworthy but the day.
>> <rant off>
>>
>> It is now so hard to know which way to go in product development.
>>
>> Jim
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov
>> Shamil
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2013 2:17 PM
>> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] A new compiled JavaScript?
>>
>> Hi Jim --
>>
>> Thank you for your link.
>>
>> Concerning your question: "No, I haven't worked with DART."
>>
>> Quick googling gives:
>>
>> Douglas Crockford, when asked about Dart during his Programming Style and
>> Your Brain lecture, replied: "So, I've thought for a long time ... if I
>> could take a clean sheet of paper and write [a new language] that retains
>> all the goodness of [Javascript] ... I would not have come up with anything
>> like Dart."  (Source:
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dart_(programming_language ) ) Resume: if not
>> pure JavaScript (with jQuery etc.) then go TypeScript (
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TypeScript ) not DART. :)
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>> -- Shamil
>>
>>
>> ???????, 19 ????? 2013, 11:15 -07:00 ?? "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca>:
>>> Hi All:
>>>
>>> Has anyone seen or worked with the Dart product? It looks interesting in
>>> that it allows a developer to design in a structured language and then it
>>> compiles to standard HTML5 JavaScript code.
>>>
>>> http://www.dartlang.org/
>>>
>>> Jim
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
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From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Wed Mar 20 04:50:26 2013
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 13:50:26 +0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?A_new_compiled_JavaScript=3F?=
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 Hi Jim --

<<<
Both are becoming more untrustworthy but the day.
>>>
Yes.

<<<
I understand it is a big problem?in Russia. 
>>>
Well, one there might suppose that everything is a big problem here :)?
I assure you - it's not - quite a few but not everything:)
BTW, quite some foreigners are working and are living here in Russia.

Easy solution for the 'Skype case': Just ignore it - there are many other communication tools free from 'KGB eye and ear'. :)

Thank you.

-- Shamil

???????, 19 ????? 2013, 19:12 -07:00 ?? "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca>:
>Hi Shamil:
>
>An aside: I have always been a little apprehensive of either Microsoft's or
>Google's commitment to any type of programming environment as they may pull
>support at a moments notice for any number of reasons.
>
><rant on>
>They sometimes just create an application for training purposes of their
>staff, or because of some GPL licensing agreement, or to muddy the waters of
>another competitor, or on some wild prospecting adventure. Then they may
>just pull or drop the program as it may be challenging their high-end
>products, or they loose interest, or a application no longer fits their new
>model. 
>
>That is why, no matter how interested I am in any application that either
>make; I always find myself looking for a quick exit if or when they bale,
>yet again.
>
>Didn't Microsoft just announce they are removing messenger capabilities from
>Skype, I guess to many were using it instead of their other Messenger. Then
>they are dropping Windows 8 support from their phones, just like
>Silverlight. Google has just dropped Google Docs and RSS feeds for anyone
>but their paying customers...Most of Google translation functionality has
>gone. Google has been making great strides designing on top of open GPL
>products and now is trying apply charges to their efforts.
>
>Then Microsoft has been censured because they have left an backdoor into
>their Skype that any government can use...I understand it is a big problem
>in Russia. Then the ECM is threatening to out right ban Google's Glass
>project unless they will absolutely guarantee privacy for the users.
>
>Both are becoming more untrustworthy but the day.
><rant off>
>
>It is now so hard to know which way to go in product development.
>
>Jim 
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From:  dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov
>Shamil
>Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2013 2:17 PM
>To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] A new compiled JavaScript?
>
>?Hi Jim --
>
>Thank you for your link.
>
>Concerning your question: "No, I haven't worked with DART."
>
>Quick googling gives:
>
>Douglas Crockford, when asked about Dart during his Programming Style and
>Your Brain lecture, replied:?"So, I've thought for a long time ... if I
>could take a clean sheet of paper and write [a new language] that retains
>all the goodness of [Javascript] ... I would not have come up with anything
>like Dart." ?(Source:
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dart_ (programming_language )?) Resume: if not
>pure JavaScript (with jQuery etc.) then go TypeScript (
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TypeScript ) not DART.?:)
>
>Thank you.
>
>-- Shamil
>
>

From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Wed Mar 20 05:07:41 2013
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 14:07:41 +0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?A_new_compiled_JavaScript=3F?=
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 Hi Hans --

<<<
You quote that as if its a bad thing!
>>>
Of course it does for Ruby/RonR/Python practioners as you're! :)

But IMO the fact that you use CoffeeScript doesn't make the quote:

> " TypeScript is not a crutch any more than JSLint is a crutch. It doesn?t hide JavaScript (as CoffeeScript tends to do)." - Ward Bell

a 'bad ?thing' or incorrect. Another quote approves the above one:

"CoffeeScript... feels like a much improved version of JavaScript where the bad parts are removed or replaced. It also moves JavaScript away from the C/Java syntax and into the syntax of Ruby or Python" ( http://amix.dk/blog/post/19612 )

And BTW I do like Ruby and Python - I do not use them here but if by any chance I'd have an opportunity to develop software using Ruby (and Ruby on Rails) and/or Python (and Django) or PHP I'd not mind at all - after all my first programming languages were powerful macro-assemblers and PL/I from IBM/360, then PDP/11 macro-assembler and Pascal and then C with object-like custom 'constructions' (structs with function pointers etc.), then C++ and Pascal etc. ... and of course SQL - first experience in which I have got going from database normalization theory, relational algebra and relational calculus...

Thank you.

-- Shamil

???????, 19 ????? 2013, 17:42 -07:00 ?? Hans-Christian Andersen <hans.andersen at phulse.com>:
>You quote that as if its a bad thing! After all, all languages and frameworks do that very thing to one extent or another. One could say the very same thing about even Assembler. If it lets you write smaller and more legible code without any serious downsides, I'm all for it.
>
>Btw, I am not from the Ruby camp. :) (and it would be more accurate to reference the Rails camp, as Ruby and Ruby on Rails are different things for different people). I've used CoffeeScript very happily on projects across the board of web languages (PHP, Python/Django and Rails) and I'm hoping to shim it into my current PHP/Backbone.js project.
>
>- Hans
>
>
>On 2013-03-19, at 3:52 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil < mcp2004 at mail.ru > wrote:
>
>> Hi Hans --
>> 
>> Of course - you're from "Ruby camp" :)
>> 
>> But what about: 
>> 
>> " TypeScript is not a crutch any more than JSLint is a crutch. It doesn?t hide JavaScript (as CoffeeScript tends to do)." - Ward Bell
>> 
>> Source:  http://www.hanselman.com/blog/WhyDoesTypeScriptHaveToBeTheAnswerToAnything.aspx
>> 
>> -- Shamil
>> 
>> 
>> ???????, 19 ????? 2013, 15:20 -07:00 ?? Hans-Christian Andersen < hans.andersen at phulse.com >:
>>> I'd rather go with CoffeeScript than TypeScript.
>>> 
>>> - Hans
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 2013-03-19, at 2:16 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil <  mcp2004 at mail.ru > wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi Jim --
>>>> 
>>>> Thank you for your link.
>>>> 
>>>> Concerning your question: "No, I haven't worked with DART."
>>>> 
>>>> Quick googling gives:
>>>> 
>>>> Douglas Crockford, when asked about Dart during his Programming Style and Your Brain lecture, replied: "So, I've thought for a long time ... if I could take a clean sheet of paper and write [a new language] that retains all the goodness of [Javascript] ... I would not have come up with anything like Dart."  (Source:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dart_ (programming_language ) ) Resume: if not pure JavaScript (with jQuery etc.) then go TypeScript (  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TypeScript ) not DART. :)
>>>> 
>>>> Thank you.
>>>> 
>>>> -- Shamil
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> ???????, 19 ????? 2013, 11:15 -07:00 ?? "Jim Lawrence" <  accessd at shaw.ca >:
>>>>> Hi All:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Has anyone seen or worked with the Dart product? It looks interesting in
>>>>> that it allows a developer to design in a structured language and then it
>>>>> compiles to standard HTML5 JavaScript code.
>>>>> 
>>>>>  http://www.dartlang.org/
>>>>> 
>>>>> Jim 
>>>>>?

From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Mar 20 05:35:35 2013
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 11:35:35 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Messenger (was: A new compiled JavaScript?)
Message-ID: <003501ce2556$a7c5db20$f7519160$@cactus.dk>

Hi Jim

That you really have got mixed up. To many beers, too little coffee?

1. It is the Messenger service that is pulled and will be integrated with
Skype. A very logical move.

2. Windows 8 support(?) for Windows Phone is not dropped but expanded. 
However, Windows Phone 7 will not be upgraded to Windows Phone 8 but to
Windows Phone 7.8.

3. Google Docs is not "dropped" but new users cannot get a free account.

/gustav


On 2013-03-19, at 7:12 PM, "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> Hi Shamil:
> 
> An aside: I have always been a little apprehensive of either 
> Microsoft's or Google's commitment to any type of programming 
> environment as they may pull support at a moments notice for any number of
reasons.
> 
> <rant on>
> They sometimes just create an application for training purposes of 
> their staff, or because of some GPL licensing agreement, or to muddy 
> the waters of another competitor, or on some wild prospecting 
> adventure. Then they may just pull or drop the program as it may be 
> challenging their high-end products, or they loose interest, or a 
> application no longer fits their new model.
> 
> That is why, no matter how interested I am in any application that 
> either make; I always find myself looking for a quick exit if or when 
> they bale, yet again.
> 
> Didn't Microsoft just announce they are removing messenger 
> capabilities from Skype, I guess to many were using it instead of 
> their other Messenger. Then they are dropping Windows 8 support from 
> their phones, just like Silverlight. Google has just dropped Google 
> Docs and RSS feeds for anyone but their paying customers...Most of 
> Google translation functionality has gone. Google has been making 
> great strides designing on top of open GPL products and now is trying
apply charges to their efforts.
> 
> Then Microsoft has been censured because they have left an backdoor 
> into their Skype that any government can use...I understand it is a 
> big problem in Russia. Then the ECM is threatening to out right ban 
> Google's Glass project unless they will absolutely guarantee privacy for
the users.
> 
> Both are becoming more untrustworthy but the day.
> <rant off>
> 
> It is now so hard to know which way to go in product development.
> 
> Jim 


From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Mar 20 06:37:18 2013
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 12:37:18 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Xbox
Message-ID: <003901ce255f$46f623a0$d4e26ae0$@cactus.dk>

Hi all

Anybody having an Xbox? 

I'm not a gamer but wonder how it will fit as a media machine/server, mostly
music and mostly own stuff - streaming/download will just be a nice-to-have
feature.

/gustav


From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Wed Mar 20 10:49:40 2013
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 08:49:40 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Xbox
In-Reply-To: <003901ce255f$46f623a0$d4e26ae0$@cactus.dk>
References: <003901ce255f$46f623a0$d4e26ae0$@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <AD53FC63-65B3-4DAE-8266-25DC11A08AD5@phulse.com>

It works great (I assume you are referring to the Xbox 360 and not the original Xbox, right?).

It supports DNLA, so you can, for instance, install the desktop app "PS3 media server" on the machine in your house that hosts your media and your Xbox will automatically pick it up off the network.

- Hans


On 2013-03-20, at 4:37 AM, "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Hi all
> 
> Anybody having an Xbox? 
> 
> I'm not a gamer but wonder how it will fit as a media machine/server, mostly
> music and mostly own stuff - streaming/download will just be a nice-to-have
> feature.
> 
> /gustav
> 
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Mar 20 11:14:07 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 09:14:07 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] A new compiled JavaScript?
In-Reply-To: <51493259.8070706@earthlink.net>
References: <013501ce24c5$b1cf1960$156d4c20$@winhaven.net><746F49690D0749B5B4E65D2D643E6E75@creativesystemdesigns.com><1363727801.938148986@f48.mail.ru><E0F7AADDD33947759742BFECEC8D24D0@creativesystemdesigns.com><60097B03-A6AE-4D61-ACB5-5C70439196B0@phulse.com>
	<51493259.8070706@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <ABCF2245431643AF8B38443113C24847@creativesystemdesigns.com>

That too?

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Peter Brawley
Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2013 8:52 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] A new compiled JavaScript?

On 2013-03-19 10:03 PM, Hans-Christian Andersen wrote:
> Didn't Microsoft just announce they are removing messenger capabilities
from Skype
>> Google has just dropped Google Docs
> Wait... when did this happen? I haven't heard of this.

I thought they'd just dropped support for old MS Office formats?

PB

------

>
> - Hans
>
>
> On 2013-03-19, at 7:12 PM, "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
>
>> Hi Shamil:
>>
>> An aside: I have always been a little apprehensive of either Microsoft's
or
>> Google's commitment to any type of programming environment as they may
pull
>> support at a moments notice for any number of reasons.
>>
>> <rant on>
>> They sometimes just create an application for training purposes of their
>> staff, or because of some GPL licensing agreement, or to muddy the waters
of
>> another competitor, or on some wild prospecting adventure. Then they may
>> just pull or drop the program as it may be challenging their high-end
>> products, or they loose interest, or a application no longer fits their
new
>> model.
>>
>> That is why, no matter how interested I am in any application that either
>> make; I always find myself looking for a quick exit if or when they bale,
>> yet again.
>>
>> Didn't Microsoft just announce they are removing messenger capabilities
from
>> Skype, I guess to many were using it instead of their other Messenger.
Then
>> they are dropping Windows 8 support from their phones, just like
>> Silverlight. Google has just dropped Google Docs and RSS feeds for anyone
>> but their paying customers...Most of Google translation functionality has
>> gone. Google has been making great strides designing on top of open GPL
>> products and now is trying apply charges to their efforts.
>>
>> Then Microsoft has been censured because they have left an backdoor into
>> their Skype that any government can use...I understand it is a big
problem
>> in Russia. Then the ECM is threatening to out right ban Google's Glass
>> project unless they will absolutely guarantee privacy for the users.
>>
>> Both are becoming more untrustworthy but the day.
>> <rant off>
>>
>> It is now so hard to know which way to go in product development.
>>
>> Jim
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov
>> Shamil
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2013 2:17 PM
>> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] A new compiled JavaScript?
>>
>> Hi Jim --
>>
>> Thank you for your link.
>>
>> Concerning your question: "No, I haven't worked with DART."
>>
>> Quick googling gives:
>>
>> Douglas Crockford, when asked about Dart during his Programming Style and
>> Your Brain lecture, replied: "So, I've thought for a long time ... if I
>> could take a clean sheet of paper and write [a new language] that retains
>> all the goodness of [Javascript] ... I would not have come up with
anything
>> like Dart."  (Source:
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dart_(programming_language ) ) Resume: if
not
>> pure JavaScript (with jQuery etc.) then go TypeScript (
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TypeScript ) not DART. :)
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>> -- Shamil
>>
>>
>> ???????, 19 ????? 2013, 11:15 -07:00 ?? "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca>:
>>> Hi All:
>>>
>>> Has anyone seen or worked with the Dart product? It looks interesting in
>>> that it allows a developer to design in a structured language and then
it
>>> compiles to standard HTML5 JavaScript code.
>>>
>>> http://www.dartlang.org/
>>>
>>> Jim
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Mar 20 11:22:41 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 09:22:41 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] A new compiled JavaScript?
In-Reply-To: <60097B03-A6AE-4D61-ACB5-5C70439196B0@phulse.com>
References: <013501ce24c5$b1cf1960$156d4c20$@winhaven.net><746F49690D0749B5B4E65D2D643E6E75@creativesystemdesigns.com><1363727801.938148986@f48.mail.ru><E0F7AADDD33947759742BFECEC8D24D0@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<60097B03-A6AE-4D61-ACB5-5C70439196B0@phulse.com>
Message-ID: <12D70A5F8B244570B0D16AC0E8E1AF17@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Hi Hans:

Google did not drop Google Docs just the free access to it.

My bad; Microsoft Messenger as a stand alone will be removed but left in
Skype. (But note: there are rumoured plans of moving Skype to a fully paid
model...whether this is true, I have no idea.)
 
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hans-Christian
Andersen
Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2013 8:03 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] A new compiled JavaScript?


> Didn't Microsoft just announce they are removing messenger capabilities
from Skype

> Google has just dropped Google Docs

Wait... when did this happen? I haven't heard of this.

- Hans


On 2013-03-19, at 7:12 PM, "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> Hi Shamil:
> 
> An aside: I have always been a little apprehensive of either Microsoft's
or
> Google's commitment to any type of programming environment as they may
pull
> support at a moments notice for any number of reasons.
> 
> <rant on>
> They sometimes just create an application for training purposes of their
> staff, or because of some GPL licensing agreement, or to muddy the waters
of
> another competitor, or on some wild prospecting adventure. Then they may
> just pull or drop the program as it may be challenging their high-end
> products, or they loose interest, or a application no longer fits their
new
> model. 
> 
> That is why, no matter how interested I am in any application that either
> make; I always find myself looking for a quick exit if or when they bale,
> yet again.
> 
> Didn't Microsoft just announce they are removing messenger capabilities
from
> Skype, I guess to many were using it instead of their other Messenger.
Then
> they are dropping Windows 8 support from their phones, just like
> Silverlight. Google has just dropped Google Docs and RSS feeds for anyone
> but their paying customers...Most of Google translation functionality has
> gone. Google has been making great strides designing on top of open GPL
> products and now is trying apply charges to their efforts.
> 
> Then Microsoft has been censured because they have left an backdoor into
> their Skype that any government can use...I understand it is a big problem
> in Russia. Then the ECM is threatening to out right ban Google's Glass
> project unless they will absolutely guarantee privacy for the users.
> 
> Both are becoming more untrustworthy but the day.
> <rant off>
> 
> It is now so hard to know which way to go in product development.
> 
> Jim 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov
> Shamil
> Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2013 2:17 PM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] A new compiled JavaScript?
> 
> Hi Jim --
> 
> Thank you for your link.
> 
> Concerning your question: "No, I haven't worked with DART."
> 
> Quick googling gives:
> 
> Douglas Crockford, when asked about Dart during his Programming Style and
> Your Brain lecture, replied: "So, I've thought for a long time ... if I
> could take a clean sheet of paper and write [a new language] that retains
> all the goodness of [Javascript] ... I would not have come up with
anything
> like Dart."  (Source:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dart_(programming_language ) ) Resume: if not
> pure JavaScript (with jQuery etc.) then go TypeScript (
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TypeScript ) not DART. :)
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> -- Shamil
> 
> 
> ???????, 19 ????? 2013, 11:15 -07:00 ?? "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca>:
>> Hi All:
>> 
>> Has anyone seen or worked with the Dart product? It looks interesting in
>> that it allows a developer to design in a structured language and then it
>> compiles to standard HTML5 JavaScript code.
>> 
>> http://www.dartlang.org/
>> 
>> Jim 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Mar 20 11:24:40 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 09:24:40 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] A new compiled JavaScript?
In-Reply-To: <1363773026.703445045@f302.mail.ru>
References: <013501ce24c5$b1cf1960$156d4c20$@winhaven.net><1363727801.938148986@f48.mail.ru><E0F7AADDD33947759742BFECEC8D24D0@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<1363773026.703445045@f302.mail.ru>
Message-ID: <549DFE60C3154CDFA7AC3785CE6D81F5@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Hi Shamil:

So which products would you suggest would be a good alternative to Skype?

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov
Shamil
Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2013 2:50 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] A new compiled JavaScript?

 Hi Jim --

<<<
Both are becoming more untrustworthy but the day.
>>>
Yes.

<<<
I understand it is a big problem?in Russia. 
>>>
Well, one there might suppose that everything is a big problem here :)?
I assure you - it's not - quite a few but not everything:)
BTW, quite some foreigners are working and are living here in Russia.

Easy solution for the 'Skype case': Just ignore it - there are many other
communication tools free from 'KGB eye and ear'. :)

Thank you.

-- Shamil

???????, 19 ????? 2013, 19:12 -07:00 ?? "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca>:
>Hi Shamil:
>
>An aside: I have always been a little apprehensive of either Microsoft's or
>Google's commitment to any type of programming environment as they may pull
>support at a moments notice for any number of reasons.
>
><rant on>
>They sometimes just create an application for training purposes of their
>staff, or because of some GPL licensing agreement, or to muddy the waters
of
>another competitor, or on some wild prospecting adventure. Then they may
>just pull or drop the program as it may be challenging their high-end
>products, or they loose interest, or a application no longer fits their new
>model. 
>
>That is why, no matter how interested I am in any application that either
>make; I always find myself looking for a quick exit if or when they bale,
>yet again.
>
>Didn't Microsoft just announce they are removing messenger capabilities
from
>Skype, I guess to many were using it instead of their other Messenger. Then
>they are dropping Windows 8 support from their phones, just like
>Silverlight. Google has just dropped Google Docs and RSS feeds for anyone
>but their paying customers...Most of Google translation functionality has
>gone. Google has been making great strides designing on top of open GPL
>products and now is trying apply charges to their efforts.
>
>Then Microsoft has been censured because they have left an backdoor into
>their Skype that any government can use...I understand it is a big problem
>in Russia. Then the ECM is threatening to out right ban Google's Glass
>project unless they will absolutely guarantee privacy for the users.
>
>Both are becoming more untrustworthy but the day.
><rant off>
>
>It is now so hard to know which way to go in product development.
>
>Jim 
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From:  dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov
>Shamil
>Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2013 2:17 PM
>To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] A new compiled JavaScript?
>
>?Hi Jim --
>
>Thank you for your link.
>
>Concerning your question: "No, I haven't worked with DART."
>
>Quick googling gives:
>
>Douglas Crockford, when asked about Dart during his Programming Style and
>Your Brain lecture, replied:?"So, I've thought for a long time ... if I
>could take a clean sheet of paper and write [a new language] that retains
>all the goodness of [Javascript] ... I would not have come up with anything
>like Dart." ?(Source:
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dart_ (programming_language )?) Resume: if not
>pure JavaScript (with jQuery etc.) then go TypeScript (
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TypeScript ) not DART.?:)
>
>Thank you.
>
>-- Shamil
>
>
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Mar 20 11:33:39 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 09:33:39 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Messenger (was: A new compiled JavaScript?)
In-Reply-To: <003501ce2556$a7c5db20$f7519160$@cactus.dk>
References: <003501ce2556$a7c5db20$f7519160$@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <E4929008F1FB49019E0B7759BA42F381@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Hi Gustav:

Definitely too little beer and too little coffee. ;-)

I was skimming the headlines and not reading the articles in full. See
previous post.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2013 3:36 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Messenger (was: A new compiled JavaScript?)

Hi Jim

That you really have got mixed up. To many beers, too little coffee?

1. It is the Messenger service that is pulled and will be integrated with
Skype. A very logical move.

2. Windows 8 support(?) for Windows Phone is not dropped but expanded. 
However, Windows Phone 7 will not be upgraded to Windows Phone 8 but to
Windows Phone 7.8.

3. Google Docs is not "dropped" but new users cannot get a free account.

/gustav


On 2013-03-19, at 7:12 PM, "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> Hi Shamil:
> 
> An aside: I have always been a little apprehensive of either 
> Microsoft's or Google's commitment to any type of programming 
> environment as they may pull support at a moments notice for any number of
reasons.
> 
> <rant on>
> They sometimes just create an application for training purposes of 
> their staff, or because of some GPL licensing agreement, or to muddy 
> the waters of another competitor, or on some wild prospecting 
> adventure. Then they may just pull or drop the program as it may be 
> challenging their high-end products, or they loose interest, or a 
> application no longer fits their new model.
> 
> That is why, no matter how interested I am in any application that 
> either make; I always find myself looking for a quick exit if or when 
> they bale, yet again.
> 
> Didn't Microsoft just announce they are removing messenger 
> capabilities from Skype, I guess to many were using it instead of 
> their other Messenger. Then they are dropping Windows 8 support from 
> their phones, just like Silverlight. Google has just dropped Google 
> Docs and RSS feeds for anyone but their paying customers...Most of 
> Google translation functionality has gone. Google has been making 
> great strides designing on top of open GPL products and now is trying
apply charges to their efforts.
> 
> Then Microsoft has been censured because they have left an backdoor 
> into their Skype that any government can use...I understand it is a 
> big problem in Russia. Then the ECM is threatening to out right ban 
> Google's Glass project unless they will absolutely guarantee privacy for
the users.
> 
> Both are becoming more untrustworthy but the day.
> <rant off>
> 
> It is now so hard to know which way to go in product development.
> 
> Jim 

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From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Wed Mar 20 11:40:51 2013
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 09:40:51 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] A new compiled JavaScript?
In-Reply-To: <12D70A5F8B244570B0D16AC0E8E1AF17@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <013501ce24c5$b1cf1960$156d4c20$@winhaven.net>
	<746F49690D0749B5B4E65D2D643E6E75@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<1363727801.938148986@f48.mail.ru>
	<E0F7AADDD33947759742BFECEC8D24D0@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<60097B03-A6AE-4D61-ACB5-5C70439196B0@phulse.com>
	<12D70A5F8B244570B0D16AC0E8E1AF17@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <80DA4013-C6CC-4892-A01A-BE2FCDE3F8A7@phulse.com>

Are you sure you aren't thinking of Google Apps for Domains? As far as I'm aware, Google Docs is still free and available, although it has been repackaged as "Google Drive".

- Hans


On 2013-03-20, at 9:22 AM, "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> Hi Hans:
> 
> Google did not drop Google Docs just the free access to it.
> 
> My bad; Microsoft Messenger as a stand alone will be removed but left in
> Skype. (But note: there are rumoured plans of moving Skype to a fully paid
> model...whether this is true, I have no idea.)
> 
> Jim
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hans-Christian
> Andersen
> Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2013 8:03 PM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] A new compiled JavaScript?
> 
> 
>> Didn't Microsoft just announce they are removing messenger capabilities
> from Skype
> 
>> Google has just dropped Google Docs
> 
> Wait... when did this happen? I haven't heard of this.
> 
> - Hans
> 
> 
> On 2013-03-19, at 7:12 PM, "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
> 
>> Hi Shamil:
>> 
>> An aside: I have always been a little apprehensive of either Microsoft's
> or
>> Google's commitment to any type of programming environment as they may
> pull
>> support at a moments notice for any number of reasons.
>> 
>> <rant on>
>> They sometimes just create an application for training purposes of their
>> staff, or because of some GPL licensing agreement, or to muddy the waters
> of
>> another competitor, or on some wild prospecting adventure. Then they may
>> just pull or drop the program as it may be challenging their high-end
>> products, or they loose interest, or a application no longer fits their
> new
>> model. 
>> 
>> That is why, no matter how interested I am in any application that either
>> make; I always find myself looking for a quick exit if or when they bale,
>> yet again.
>> 
>> Didn't Microsoft just announce they are removing messenger capabilities
> from
>> Skype, I guess to many were using it instead of their other Messenger.
> Then
>> they are dropping Windows 8 support from their phones, just like
>> Silverlight. Google has just dropped Google Docs and RSS feeds for anyone
>> but their paying customers...Most of Google translation functionality has
>> gone. Google has been making great strides designing on top of open GPL
>> products and now is trying apply charges to their efforts.
>> 
>> Then Microsoft has been censured because they have left an backdoor into
>> their Skype that any government can use...I understand it is a big problem
>> in Russia. Then the ECM is threatening to out right ban Google's Glass
>> project unless they will absolutely guarantee privacy for the users.
>> 
>> Both are becoming more untrustworthy but the day.
>> <rant off>
>> 
>> It is now so hard to know which way to go in product development.
>> 
>> Jim 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov
>> Shamil
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2013 2:17 PM
>> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] A new compiled JavaScript?
>> 
>> Hi Jim --
>> 
>> Thank you for your link.
>> 
>> Concerning your question: "No, I haven't worked with DART."
>> 
>> Quick googling gives:
>> 
>> Douglas Crockford, when asked about Dart during his Programming Style and
>> Your Brain lecture, replied: "So, I've thought for a long time ... if I
>> could take a clean sheet of paper and write [a new language] that retains
>> all the goodness of [Javascript] ... I would not have come up with
> anything
>> like Dart."  (Source:
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dart_(programming_language ) ) Resume: if not
>> pure JavaScript (with jQuery etc.) then go TypeScript (
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TypeScript ) not DART. :)
>> 
>> Thank you.
>> 
>> -- Shamil
>> 
>> 
>> ???????, 19 ????? 2013, 11:15 -07:00 ?? "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca>:
>>> Hi All:
>>> 
>>> Has anyone seen or worked with the Dart product? It looks interesting in
>>> that it allows a developer to design in a structured language and then it
>>> compiles to standard HTML5 JavaScript code.
>>> 
>>> http://www.dartlang.org/
>>> 
>>> Jim 
>>> 
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From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Wed Mar 20 11:44:15 2013
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 09:44:15 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Messenger (was: A new compiled JavaScript?)
In-Reply-To: <003501ce2556$a7c5db20$f7519160$@cactus.dk>
References: <003501ce2556$a7c5db20$f7519160$@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <4B3336A5-35F8-48A2-9D35-85B77ED54FC4@phulse.com>

Hej Gustav,

As I mentioned to Jim, are you sure you aren't thinking of Google Apps for Domains rather than Google Docs?

- Hans


On 2013-03-20, at 3:35 AM, "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Hi Jim
> 
> That you really have got mixed up. To many beers, too little coffee?
> 
> 1. It is the Messenger service that is pulled and will be integrated with
> Skype. A very logical move.
> 
> 2. Windows 8 support(?) for Windows Phone is not dropped but expanded. 
> However, Windows Phone 7 will not be upgraded to Windows Phone 8 but to
> Windows Phone 7.8.
> 
> 3. Google Docs is not "dropped" but new users cannot get a free account.
> 
> /gustav
> 
> 
> On 2013-03-19, at 7:12 PM, "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
> 
>> Hi Shamil:
>> 
>> An aside: I have always been a little apprehensive of either 
>> Microsoft's or Google's commitment to any type of programming 
>> environment as they may pull support at a moments notice for any number of
> reasons.
>> 
>> <rant on>
>> They sometimes just create an application for training purposes of 
>> their staff, or because of some GPL licensing agreement, or to muddy 
>> the waters of another competitor, or on some wild prospecting 
>> adventure. Then they may just pull or drop the program as it may be 
>> challenging their high-end products, or they loose interest, or a 
>> application no longer fits their new model.
>> 
>> That is why, no matter how interested I am in any application that 
>> either make; I always find myself looking for a quick exit if or when 
>> they bale, yet again.
>> 
>> Didn't Microsoft just announce they are removing messenger 
>> capabilities from Skype, I guess to many were using it instead of 
>> their other Messenger. Then they are dropping Windows 8 support from 
>> their phones, just like Silverlight. Google has just dropped Google 
>> Docs and RSS feeds for anyone but their paying customers...Most of 
>> Google translation functionality has gone. Google has been making 
>> great strides designing on top of open GPL products and now is trying
> apply charges to their efforts.
>> 
>> Then Microsoft has been censured because they have left an backdoor 
>> into their Skype that any government can use...I understand it is a 
>> big problem in Russia. Then the ECM is threatening to out right ban 
>> Google's Glass project unless they will absolutely guarantee privacy for
> the users.
>> 
>> Both are becoming more untrustworthy but the day.
>> <rant off>
>> 
>> It is now so hard to know which way to go in product development.
>> 
>> Jim
> 
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Mar 20 11:53:48 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 09:53:48 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Free offer
In-Reply-To: <003901ce255f$46f623a0$d4e26ae0$@cactus.dk>
References: <003901ce255f$46f623a0$d4e26ae0$@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <CB726CB11FD6446DB93E8A2C2F7BD888@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Hi All:

Here is an interesting offer for a free eBook.

http://www.red-gate.com/products/dotnet-development/ants-performance-profile
r/entrypage/avoid-find-fix-asp-problems?utm_source=cp&utm_medium=email&utm_t
erm=11167&utm_content=avoidfindfix&utm_campaign=antsperformanceprofiler

(Wrap alert)

If you can stand the subsequent spam, it might be worth the cheap read.

Jim 


From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Wed Mar 20 11:59:07 2013
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 09:59:07 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Free offer
In-Reply-To: <CB726CB11FD6446DB93E8A2C2F7BD888@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <003901ce255f$46f623a0$d4e26ae0$@cactus.dk>
	<CB726CB11FD6446DB93E8A2C2F7BD888@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <050F0DC1-0507-4ECC-8A45-8D9712112C85@phulse.com>

I find that this mailing list has a habit of cutting up urls and putting white spaces into them when the URL is too long. Have you considered using a URL shortener, like http://bit.ly ?

- Hans


On 2013-03-20, at 9:53 AM, "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> Hi All:
> 
> Here is an interesting offer for a free eBook.
> 
> http://www.red-gate.com/products/dotnet-development/ants-performance-profile
> r/entrypage/avoid-find-fix-asp-problems?utm_source=cp&utm_medium=email&utm_t
> erm=11167&utm_content=avoidfindfix&utm_campaign=antsperformanceprofiler
> 
> (Wrap alert)
> 
> If you can stand the subsequent spam, it might be worth the cheap read.
> 
> Jim 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com


From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Mar 20 12:12:35 2013
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 18:12:35 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Messenger (was: A new compiled JavaScript?)
Message-ID: <005301ce258e$1e05e690$5a11b3b0$@cactus.dk>

Hi Hans

Eh, no, I'm not sure about that ... might have missed something.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Hans-Christian
Andersen
Sendt: 20. marts 2013 17:44
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Messenger (was: A new compiled JavaScript?)

Hej Gustav,

As I mentioned to Jim, are you sure you aren't thinking of Google Apps for
Domains rather than Google Docs?

- Hans 



From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Mar 20 12:20:44 2013
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 18:20:44 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Xbox
Message-ID: <005501ce258f$415a48b0$c40eda10$@cactus.dk>

Hi Hans

Yes, it would be a brand new Xbox 360.

But what is DNLA and the desktop app "PS3 media server"? PS3 isn't that Play
Station? 
And "the machine in your house that hosts your media" - could that be the
Xbox or would I need (yet) another appliance for that?

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Hans-Christian
Andersen
Sendt: 20. marts 2013 16:50
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Xbox

It works great (I assume you are referring to the Xbox 360 and not the
original Xbox, right?).

It supports DNLA, so you can, for instance, install the desktop app "PS3
media server" on the machine in your house that hosts your media and your
Xbox will automatically pick it up off the network.

- Hans


On 2013-03-20, at 4:37 AM, "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Hi all
> 
> Anybody having an Xbox? 
> 
> I'm not a gamer but wonder how it will fit as a media machine/server, 
> mostly music and mostly own stuff - streaming/download will just be a 
> nice-to-have feature.
> 
> /gustav 



From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Wed Mar 20 12:22:49 2013
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 10:22:49 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] A new compiled JavaScript?
In-Reply-To: <549DFE60C3154CDFA7AC3785CE6D81F5@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <013501ce24c5$b1cf1960$156d4c20$@winhaven.net><1363727801.938148986@f48.mail.ru><E0F7AADDD33947759742BFECEC8D24D0@creativesystemdesigns.com><1363773026.703445045@f302.mail.ru>
	<549DFE60C3154CDFA7AC3785CE6D81F5@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <AB11381A1A954498BE26E1E61314ED65@HAL9007>

Not a Skype replacement but a nice smart phone app - Viber - My son and his
girlfriend are using it while they're on the road.  Free calls anywhere in
the world.  

Got a call from him last night about 11pm - they're un Lukla in Nepal about
to start a two week trek to Everest base camp.  Thought we wouldn't hear
from them once they left Kathmandu but he says there may even be some wi-fi
along the way.  Quite different than when I was there 40 years ago.

R


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2013 9:25 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] A new compiled JavaScript?

Hi Shamil:

So which products would you suggest would be a good alternative to Skype?

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov
Shamil
Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2013 2:50 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] A new compiled JavaScript?

 Hi Jim --

<<<
Both are becoming more untrustworthy but the day.
>>>
Yes.

<<<
I understand it is a big problem?in Russia. 
>>>
Well, one there might suppose that everything is a big problem here :) I
assure you - it's not - quite a few but not everything:) BTW, quite some
foreigners are working and are living here in Russia.

Easy solution for the 'Skype case': Just ignore it - there are many other
communication tools free from 'KGB eye and ear'. :)

Thank you.

-- Shamil

???????, 19 ????? 2013, 19:12 -07:00 ?? "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca>:
>Hi Shamil:
>
>An aside: I have always been a little apprehensive of either 
>Microsoft's or Google's commitment to any type of programming 
>environment as they may pull support at a moments notice for any number of
reasons.
>
><rant on>
>They sometimes just create an application for training purposes of 
>their staff, or because of some GPL licensing agreement, or to muddy 
>the waters
of
>another competitor, or on some wild prospecting adventure. Then they 
>may just pull or drop the program as it may be challenging their 
>high-end products, or they loose interest, or a application no longer 
>fits their new model.
>
>That is why, no matter how interested I am in any application that 
>either make; I always find myself looking for a quick exit if or when 
>they bale, yet again.
>
>Didn't Microsoft just announce they are removing messenger capabilities
from
>Skype, I guess to many were using it instead of their other Messenger. 
>Then they are dropping Windows 8 support from their phones, just like 
>Silverlight. Google has just dropped Google Docs and RSS feeds for 
>anyone but their paying customers...Most of Google translation 
>functionality has gone. Google has been making great strides designing 
>on top of open GPL products and now is trying apply charges to their
efforts.
>
>Then Microsoft has been censured because they have left an backdoor 
>into their Skype that any government can use...I understand it is a big 
>problem in Russia. Then the ECM is threatening to out right ban 
>Google's Glass project unless they will absolutely guarantee privacy for
the users.
>
>Both are becoming more untrustworthy but the day.
><rant off>
>
>It is now so hard to know which way to go in product development.
>
>Jim
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From:  dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
>Salakhetdinov Shamil
>Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2013 2:17 PM
>To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] A new compiled JavaScript?
>
>?Hi Jim --
>
>Thank you for your link.
>
>Concerning your question: "No, I haven't worked with DART."
>
>Quick googling gives:
>
>Douglas Crockford, when asked about Dart during his Programming Style 
>and Your Brain lecture, replied:?"So, I've thought for a long time ... 
>if I could take a clean sheet of paper and write [a new language] that 
>retains all the goodness of [Javascript] ... I would not have come up 
>with anything like Dart." ?(Source:
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dart_ (programming_language )?) Resume: if 
>not pure JavaScript (with jQuery etc.) then go TypeScript ( 
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TypeScript ) not DART.?:)
>
>Thank you.
>
>-- Shamil
>
>
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Mar 20 13:11:42 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 11:11:42 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Free offer
In-Reply-To: <050F0DC1-0507-4ECC-8A45-8D9712112C85@phulse.com>
References: <003901ce255f$46f623a0$d4e26ae0$@cactus.dk><CB726CB11FD6446DB93E8A2C2F7BD888@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<050F0DC1-0507-4ECC-8A45-8D9712112C85@phulse.com>
Message-ID: <DD92829E3CBE492AB0909903D3F276B0@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Hi Hans: Just lazy. ;-) Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hans-Christian
Andersen
Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2013 9:59 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Free offer

I find that this mailing list has a habit of cutting up urls and putting
white spaces into them when the URL is too long. Have you considered using a
URL shortener, like http://bit.ly ?

- Hans


On 2013-03-20, at 9:53 AM, "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> Hi All:
> 
> Here is an interesting offer for a free eBook.
> 
>
http://www.red-gate.com/products/dotnet-development/ants-performance-profile
>
r/entrypage/avoid-find-fix-asp-problems?utm_source=cp&utm_medium=email&utm_t
> erm=11167&utm_content=avoidfindfix&utm_campaign=antsperformanceprofiler
> 
> (Wrap alert)
> 
> If you can stand the subsequent spam, it might be worth the cheap read.
> 
> Jim 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Mar 20 13:16:14 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 11:16:14 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] A new compiled JavaScript?
In-Reply-To: <AB11381A1A954498BE26E1E61314ED65@HAL9007>
References: <013501ce24c5$b1cf1960$156d4c20$@winhaven.net><1363727801.938148986@f48.mail.ru><E0F7AADDD33947759742BFECEC8D24D0@creativesystemdesigns.com><1363773026.703445045@f302.mail.ru><549DFE60C3154CDFA7AC3785CE6D81F5@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<AB11381A1A954498BE26E1E61314ED65@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <CB8E65BCF4EA438180E4496CDCFCF63B@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Hi Rocky:

A trip of a life-time. :-) 

I will look into Viber.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2013 10:23 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] A new compiled JavaScript?

Not a Skype replacement but a nice smart phone app - Viber - My son and his
girlfriend are using it while they're on the road.  Free calls anywhere in
the world.  

Got a call from him last night about 11pm - they're un Lukla in Nepal about
to start a two week trek to Everest base camp.  Thought we wouldn't hear
from them once they left Kathmandu but he says there may even be some wi-fi
along the way.  Quite different than when I was there 40 years ago.

R


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2013 9:25 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] A new compiled JavaScript?

Hi Shamil:

So which products would you suggest would be a good alternative to Skype?

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov
Shamil
Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2013 2:50 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] A new compiled JavaScript?

 Hi Jim --

<<<
Both are becoming more untrustworthy but the day.
>>>
Yes.

<<<
I understand it is a big problem?in Russia. 
>>>
Well, one there might suppose that everything is a big problem here :) I
assure you - it's not - quite a few but not everything:) BTW, quite some
foreigners are working and are living here in Russia.

Easy solution for the 'Skype case': Just ignore it - there are many other
communication tools free from 'KGB eye and ear'. :)

Thank you.

-- Shamil

???????, 19 ????? 2013, 19:12 -07:00 ?? "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca>:
>Hi Shamil:
>
>An aside: I have always been a little apprehensive of either 
>Microsoft's or Google's commitment to any type of programming 
>environment as they may pull support at a moments notice for any number of
reasons.
>
><rant on>
>They sometimes just create an application for training purposes of 
>their staff, or because of some GPL licensing agreement, or to muddy 
>the waters
of
>another competitor, or on some wild prospecting adventure. Then they 
>may just pull or drop the program as it may be challenging their 
>high-end products, or they loose interest, or a application no longer 
>fits their new model.
>
>That is why, no matter how interested I am in any application that 
>either make; I always find myself looking for a quick exit if or when 
>they bale, yet again.
>
>Didn't Microsoft just announce they are removing messenger capabilities
from
>Skype, I guess to many were using it instead of their other Messenger. 
>Then they are dropping Windows 8 support from their phones, just like 
>Silverlight. Google has just dropped Google Docs and RSS feeds for 
>anyone but their paying customers...Most of Google translation 
>functionality has gone. Google has been making great strides designing 
>on top of open GPL products and now is trying apply charges to their
efforts.
>
>Then Microsoft has been censured because they have left an backdoor 
>into their Skype that any government can use...I understand it is a big 
>problem in Russia. Then the ECM is threatening to out right ban 
>Google's Glass project unless they will absolutely guarantee privacy for
the users.
>
>Both are becoming more untrustworthy but the day.
><rant off>
>
>It is now so hard to know which way to go in product development.
>
>Jim
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From:  dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
>Salakhetdinov Shamil
>Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2013 2:17 PM
>To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] A new compiled JavaScript?
>
>?Hi Jim --
>
>Thank you for your link.
>
>Concerning your question: "No, I haven't worked with DART."
>
>Quick googling gives:
>
>Douglas Crockford, when asked about Dart during his Programming Style 
>and Your Brain lecture, replied:?"So, I've thought for a long time ... 
>if I could take a clean sheet of paper and write [a new language] that 
>retains all the goodness of [Javascript] ... I would not have come up 
>with anything like Dart." ?(Source:
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dart_ (programming_language )?) Resume: if 
>not pure JavaScript (with jQuery etc.) then go TypeScript ( 
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TypeScript ) not DART.?:)
>
>Thank you.
>
>-- Shamil
>
>
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From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Wed Mar 20 13:19:14 2013
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 11:19:14 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Xbox
In-Reply-To: <005501ce258f$415a48b0$c40eda10$@cactus.dk>
References: <005501ce258f$415a48b0$c40eda10$@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <5DF4B602-E27C-44DA-A692-4938BBD50BD7@phulse.com>

Hi Gustav,

DNLA is just a file sharing protocol specifically for media (movies, music and pictures). If your device supports DNLA, it scans your network for DNLA servers and auto-discovers them (no configuration required). The DNLA server then provides the client device with a whole library of media that it has cataloged and let's the device determine what it wants to do with it (ie. streaming the movies and music and do slideshows for pictures).

I believe windows media player can be a DNLA server as well, but the reason i suggest the "PS3 media server" application is that it can also transcode your videos on the fly in case your Xbox doesn't support that specific media format. It started as a project specifically for the PS3 (playstation 3), but it is now more generic and supports any DNLA compliant client. They just didn't change the name to reflect that :)

You would want to install PS3 media player on any computer you have on your network, such as your desktop machine, so long as it has access to your media files (locally or via a share). All you do is point PS3 media server to where your media is located and it does the rest.

You can, of course, also just play media on your xbox off a USB device or a windows file share, but then its not as convenient an experience.

Hope this all makes sense. If not, feel free to ask. You could, of course, just use windows media player instead of PS3 media server for a simpler setup.

- Hans


On 2013-03-20, at 10:20 AM, "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Hi Hans
> 
> Yes, it would be a brand new Xbox 360.
> 
> But what is DNLA and the desktop app "PS3 media server"? PS3 isn't that Play
> Station? 
> And "the machine in your house that hosts your media" - could that be the
> Xbox or would I need (yet) another appliance for that?
> 
> /gustav
> 
> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Hans-Christian
> Andersen
> Sendt: 20. marts 2013 16:50
> Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Xbox
> 
> It works great (I assume you are referring to the Xbox 360 and not the
> original Xbox, right?).
> 
> It supports DNLA, so you can, for instance, install the desktop app "PS3
> media server" on the machine in your house that hosts your media and your
> Xbox will automatically pick it up off the network.
> 
> - Hans
> 
> 
> On 2013-03-20, at 4:37 AM, "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
> 
>> Hi all
>> 
>> Anybody having an Xbox? 
>> 
>> I'm not a gamer but wonder how it will fit as a media machine/server, 
>> mostly music and mostly own stuff - streaming/download will just be a 
>> nice-to-have feature.
>> 
>> /gustav 
> 
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From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Wed Mar 20 13:23:58 2013
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 11:23:58 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] A new compiled JavaScript?
In-Reply-To: <AB11381A1A954498BE26E1E61314ED65@HAL9007>
References: <013501ce24c5$b1cf1960$156d4c20$@winhaven.net>
	<1363727801.938148986@f48.mail.ru>
	<E0F7AADDD33947759742BFECEC8D24D0@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<1363773026.703445045@f302.mail.ru>
	<549DFE60C3154CDFA7AC3785CE6D81F5@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<AB11381A1A954498BE26E1E61314ED65@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <486B54F2-8C3A-4A62-A878-92CF8E31ACDA@phulse.com>

Unfortunately, there is no desktop version of Viber. :(

And it doesn't include video calls, afaik.

Not quite the complete Skype replacement (not to mention screen sharing!).

- Hans


On 2013-03-20, at 10:22 AM, "Rocky Smolin" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:

> Not a Skype replacement but a nice smart phone app - Viber - My son and his
> girlfriend are using it while they're on the road.  Free calls anywhere in
> the world.  
> 
> Got a call from him last night about 11pm - they're un Lukla in Nepal about
> to start a two week trek to Everest base camp.  Thought we wouldn't hear
> from them once they left Kathmandu but he says there may even be some wi-fi
> along the way.  Quite different than when I was there 40 years ago.
> 
> R
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
> Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2013 9:25 AM
> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] A new compiled JavaScript?
> 
> Hi Shamil:
> 
> So which products would you suggest would be a good alternative to Skype?
> 
> Jim
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov
> Shamil
> Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2013 2:50 AM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] A new compiled JavaScript?
> 
> Hi Jim --
> 
> <<<
> Both are becoming more untrustworthy but the day.
> Yes.
> 
> <<<
> I understand it is a big problem in Russia. 
> Well, one there might suppose that everything is a big problem here :) I
> assure you - it's not - quite a few but not everything:) BTW, quite some
> foreigners are working and are living here in Russia.
> 
> Easy solution for the 'Skype case': Just ignore it - there are many other
> communication tools free from 'KGB eye and ear'. :)
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> -- Shamil
> 
> ???????, 19 ????? 2013, 19:12 -07:00 ?? "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca>:
>> Hi Shamil:
>> 
>> An aside: I have always been a little apprehensive of either 
>> Microsoft's or Google's commitment to any type of programming 
>> environment as they may pull support at a moments notice for any number of
> reasons.
>> 
>> <rant on>
>> They sometimes just create an application for training purposes of 
>> their staff, or because of some GPL licensing agreement, or to muddy 
>> the waters
> of
>> another competitor, or on some wild prospecting adventure. Then they 
>> may just pull or drop the program as it may be challenging their 
>> high-end products, or they loose interest, or a application no longer 
>> fits their new model.
>> 
>> That is why, no matter how interested I am in any application that 
>> either make; I always find myself looking for a quick exit if or when 
>> they bale, yet again.
>> 
>> Didn't Microsoft just announce they are removing messenger capabilities
> from
>> Skype, I guess to many were using it instead of their other Messenger. 
>> Then they are dropping Windows 8 support from their phones, just like 
>> Silverlight. Google has just dropped Google Docs and RSS feeds for 
>> anyone but their paying customers...Most of Google translation 
>> functionality has gone. Google has been making great strides designing 
>> on top of open GPL products and now is trying apply charges to their
> efforts.
>> 
>> Then Microsoft has been censured because they have left an backdoor 
>> into their Skype that any government can use...I understand it is a big 
>> problem in Russia. Then the ECM is threatening to out right ban 
>> Google's Glass project unless they will absolutely guarantee privacy for
> the users.
>> 
>> Both are becoming more untrustworthy but the day.
>> <rant off>
>> 
>> It is now so hard to know which way to go in product development.
>> 
>> Jim
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From:  dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
>> Salakhetdinov Shamil
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2013 2:17 PM
>> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] A new compiled JavaScript?
>> 
>>  Hi Jim --
>> 
>> Thank you for your link.
>> 
>> Concerning your question: "No, I haven't worked with DART."
>> 
>> Quick googling gives:
>> 
>> Douglas Crockford, when asked about Dart during his Programming Style 
>> and Your Brain lecture, replied: "So, I've thought for a long time ... 
>> if I could take a clean sheet of paper and write [a new language] that 
>> retains all the goodness of [Javascript] ... I would not have come up 
>> with anything like Dart."  (Source:
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dart_ (programming_language ) ) Resume: if 
>> not pure JavaScript (with jQuery etc.) then go TypeScript ( 
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TypeScript ) not DART. :)
>> 
>> Thank you.
>> 
>> -- Shamil
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From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Wed Mar 20 13:42:55 2013
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 22:42:55 +0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?A_new_compiled_JavaScript=3F?=
In-Reply-To: <549DFE60C3154CDFA7AC3785CE6D81F5@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <013501ce24c5$b1cf1960$156d4c20$@winhaven.net>
	<1363773026.703445045@f302.mail.ru>
	<549DFE60C3154CDFA7AC3785CE6D81F5@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <1363804975.778036648@f100.mail.ru>

 Hi Jim --

Tsss.... KGB is listening - not kidding they say here that mail.ru I'm posting from to AccessD is running under KGB umbrella...

Anyway - you can check

Jitsi:? https://jitsi.org/ ?and

Tor:? http://windows.appstorm.net/how-to/how-to-browse-the-web-anonymously-with-tor-project/

I do not use them or any other - I have just heard they are good alternatives to Skype...

And Rocky mentioned Viber - as far as I see it's available for Windows Phone too:

- Viber and
- Viber Messenger

I'm installing the first one now...

Thank you.

-- Shamil


?????, 20 ????? 2013, 9:24 -07:00 ?? "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca>:
>Hi Shamil:
>
>So which products would you suggest would be a good alternative to Skype?
>
>Jim
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From:  dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov
>Shamil
>Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2013 2:50 AM
>To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] A new compiled JavaScript?
>
>?Hi Jim --
>
><<<
>Both are becoming more untrustworthy but the day.
>>>>
>Yes.
>
><<<
>I understand it is a big problem?in Russia. 
>>>>
>Well, one there might suppose that everything is a big problem here :)?
>I assure you - it's not - quite a few but not everything:)
>BTW, quite some foreigners are working and are living here in Russia.
>
>Easy solution for the 'Skype case': Just ignore it - there are many other
>communication tools free from 'KGB eye and ear'. :)
>
>Thank you.
>
>-- Shamil
<<< skipped >>>
>

From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Wed Mar 20 14:17:15 2013
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 23:17:15 +0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?A_new_compiled_JavaScript=3F?=
In-Reply-To: <AB11381A1A954498BE26E1E61314ED65@HAL9007>
References: <013501ce24c5$b1cf1960$156d4c20$@winhaven.net>
	<549DFE60C3154CDFA7AC3785CE6D81F5@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<AB11381A1A954498BE26E1E61314ED65@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <1363807035.232013697@f307.mail.ru>

 Hi Rocky --

Thank you for your info on Viber. I have just got it installed on my Window Phone and I have signed for a Viber account via Facebook and I have got one of my phone contact list local customers appeared on my Viber contact list.

-- Shamil


?????, 20 ????? 2013, 10:22 -07:00 ?? "Rocky Smolin" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>:
>Not a Skype replacement but a nice smart phone app - Viber - My son and his
>girlfriend are using it while they're on the road.  Free calls anywhere in
>the world. 
>
>Got a call from him last night about 11pm - they're un Lukla in Nepal about
>to start a two week trek to Everest base camp.  Thought we wouldn't hear
>from them once they left Kathmandu but he says there may even be some wi-fi
>along the way.  Quite different than when I was there 40 years ago.
>
>R
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From:  dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
>Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2013 9:25 AM
>To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
>Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] A new compiled JavaScript?
>
>Hi Shamil:
>
>So which products would you suggest would be a good alternative to Skype?
>
>Jim
>
><<< skipped >>>

From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Wed Mar 20 16:06:36 2013
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 14:06:36 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] A new compiled JavaScript?
In-Reply-To: <CB8E65BCF4EA438180E4496CDCFCF63B@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <013501ce24c5$b1cf1960$156d4c20$@winhaven.net><1363727801.938148986@f48.mail.ru><E0F7AADDD33947759742BFECEC8D24D0@creativesystemdesigns.com><1363773026.703445045@f302.mail.ru><549DFE60C3154CDFA7AC3785CE6D81F5@creativesystemdesigns.com><AB11381A1A954498BE26E1E61314ED65@HAL9007>
	<CB8E65BCF4EA438180E4496CDCFCF63B@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <0A170B95526244339C398E4F564D6FC2@HAL9007>

Wasn't going to post this but at least I can take it to OT.  Here's part of
a message from him in Kathmandu - they've been in India for 6 weeks:

*********************
Everest tomorrow. Quite underprepared, in the best of ways. 

Love you more than I can tell you. Can't believe I'm living my dream of
living your dream every day, more than i could ever ask for. Life doesn't
get any better. 

I'm taking many pictures. Never enough to capture it all, but always enough
to remind me all the stories i want to tell you when i get home. 
*********************

He's been listening to my travel stories all his life.  And how they
completely changed me in so many ways.  Now he's having some of the same
experiences.  And will come back a changed man - and a man in many ways.
And that makes me very happy

He's traveling with his girl friend.  It was their birthday March 14 - yes
they were born on the same day, same year.  We sent them $500 to do
something they would not normally do on their travel budget.  They went to
an outfitter and are on their way to trek up to Everest base camp - one of
his bucket list items.

>From there they're planning on Bangladesh, Thailand, Burma, Viet Nam.  After
that, they're not sure.

R



-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2013 11:16 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] A new compiled JavaScript?

Hi Rocky:

A trip of a life-time. :-) 

I will look into Viber.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2013 10:23 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] A new compiled JavaScript?

Not a Skype replacement but a nice smart phone app - Viber - My son and his
girlfriend are using it while they're on the road.  Free calls anywhere in
the world.  

Got a call from him last night about 11pm - they're un Lukla in Nepal about
to start a two week trek to Everest base camp.  Thought we wouldn't hear
from them once they left Kathmandu but he says there may even be some wi-fi
along the way.  Quite different than when I was there 40 years ago.

R


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2013 9:25 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] A new compiled JavaScript?

Hi Shamil:

So which products would you suggest would be a good alternative to Skype?

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov
Shamil
Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2013 2:50 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] A new compiled JavaScript?

 Hi Jim --

<<<
Both are becoming more untrustworthy but the day.
>>>
Yes.

<<<
I understand it is a big problem?in Russia. 
>>>
Well, one there might suppose that everything is a big problem here :) I
assure you - it's not - quite a few but not everything:) BTW, quite some
foreigners are working and are living here in Russia.

Easy solution for the 'Skype case': Just ignore it - there are many other
communication tools free from 'KGB eye and ear'. :)

Thank you.

-- Shamil

???????, 19 ????? 2013, 19:12 -07:00 ?? "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca>:
>Hi Shamil:
>
>An aside: I have always been a little apprehensive of either 
>Microsoft's or Google's commitment to any type of programming 
>environment as they may pull support at a moments notice for any number 
>of
reasons.
>
><rant on>
>They sometimes just create an application for training purposes of 
>their staff, or because of some GPL licensing agreement, or to muddy 
>the waters
of
>another competitor, or on some wild prospecting adventure. Then they 
>may just pull or drop the program as it may be challenging their 
>high-end products, or they loose interest, or a application no longer 
>fits their new model.
>
>That is why, no matter how interested I am in any application that 
>either make; I always find myself looking for a quick exit if or when 
>they bale, yet again.
>
>Didn't Microsoft just announce they are removing messenger capabilities
from
>Skype, I guess to many were using it instead of their other Messenger. 
>Then they are dropping Windows 8 support from their phones, just like 
>Silverlight. Google has just dropped Google Docs and RSS feeds for 
>anyone but their paying customers...Most of Google translation 
>functionality has gone. Google has been making great strides designing 
>on top of open GPL products and now is trying apply charges to their
efforts.
>
>Then Microsoft has been censured because they have left an backdoor 
>into their Skype that any government can use...I understand it is a big 
>problem in Russia. Then the ECM is threatening to out right ban 
>Google's Glass project unless they will absolutely guarantee privacy 
>for
the users.
>
>Both are becoming more untrustworthy but the day.
><rant off>
>
>It is now so hard to know which way to go in product development.
>
>Jim
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From:  dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
>Salakhetdinov Shamil
>Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2013 2:17 PM
>To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] A new compiled JavaScript?
>
>?Hi Jim --
>
>Thank you for your link.
>
>Concerning your question: "No, I haven't worked with DART."
>
>Quick googling gives:
>
>Douglas Crockford, when asked about Dart during his Programming Style 
>and Your Brain lecture, replied:?"So, I've thought for a long time ...
>if I could take a clean sheet of paper and write [a new language] that 
>retains all the goodness of [Javascript] ... I would not have come up 
>with anything like Dart." ?(Source:
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dart_ (programming_language )?) Resume: if 
>not pure JavaScript (with jQuery etc.) then go TypeScript ( 
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TypeScript ) not DART.?:)
>
>Thank you.
>
>-- Shamil
>
>
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Mar 20 17:36:28 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 15:36:28 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] A new compiled JavaScript?
In-Reply-To: <1363804975.778036648@f100.mail.ru>
References: <013501ce24c5$b1cf1960$156d4c20$@winhaven.net><1363773026.703445045@f302.mail.ru><549DFE60C3154CDFA7AC3785CE6D81F5@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<1363804975.778036648@f100.mail.ru>
Message-ID: <0A7FDBE4ADF04DC1A0A95ADFEB4C5E89@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Hi Shamil:

Thanks for all the information. I will install jitsi on my Ubuntu box and
see how it works. 

Even though Skype will install on Ubuntu (debian) Linux, its current
reputation as a application that is designed to be used by governments for
monitoring conversations is against my personal preferences. I like that
Jitsi is an OSS which is less likely to be hacked and then not fixed in a
timely manner makes it a very attractive product.

Also Rocky's suggestion of using Viber on the cell phones and tablets is a
definitely makes it a plus package.

Interesting aside: "...As of December 2012, the Lebanese ministry of
telecommunication has blocked Viber on all Cellular network and DSL due to
its Israeli origin..." Hope this is not some kind of weirdness that may
spread to cover more of the Arab world.

Jim 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov
Shamil
Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2013 11:43 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] A new compiled JavaScript?

 Hi Jim --

Tsss.... KGB is listening - not kidding they say here that mail.ru I'm
posting from to AccessD is running under KGB umbrella...

Anyway - you can check

Jitsi:? https://jitsi.org/ ?and

Tor:?
http://windows.appstorm.net/how-to/how-to-browse-the-web-anonymously-with-to
r-project/

I do not use them or any other - I have just heard they are good
alternatives to Skype...

And Rocky mentioned Viber - as far as I see it's available for Windows Phone
too:

- Viber and
- Viber Messenger

I'm installing the first one now...

Thank you.

-- Shamil


?????, 20 ????? 2013, 9:24 -07:00 ?? "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca>:
>Hi Shamil:
>
>So which products would you suggest would be a good alternative to Skype?
>
>Jim
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From:  dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov
>Shamil
>Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2013 2:50 AM
>To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] A new compiled JavaScript?
>
>?Hi Jim --
>
><<<
>Both are becoming more untrustworthy but the day.
>>>>
>Yes.
>
><<<
>I understand it is a big problem?in Russia. 
>>>>
>Well, one there might suppose that everything is a big problem here :)?
>I assure you - it's not - quite a few but not everything:)
>BTW, quite some foreigners are working and are living here in Russia.
>
>Easy solution for the 'Skype case': Just ignore it - there are many other
>communication tools free from 'KGB eye and ear'. :)
>
>Thank you.
>
>-- Shamil
<<< skipped >>>
>
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Mar 20 17:38:25 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 15:38:25 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] A new compiled JavaScript?
In-Reply-To: <0A170B95526244339C398E4F564D6FC2@HAL9007>
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	<0A170B95526244339C398E4F564D6FC2@HAL9007>
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Hi Rocky:

You know the drill... picture please. :-)

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2013 2:07 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] A new compiled JavaScript?

Wasn't going to post this but at least I can take it to OT.  Here's part of
a message from him in Kathmandu - they've been in India for 6 weeks:

*********************
Everest tomorrow. Quite underprepared, in the best of ways. 

Love you more than I can tell you. Can't believe I'm living my dream of
living your dream every day, more than i could ever ask for. Life doesn't
get any better. 

I'm taking many pictures. Never enough to capture it all, but always enough
to remind me all the stories i want to tell you when i get home. 
*********************

He's been listening to my travel stories all his life.  And how they
completely changed me in so many ways.  Now he's having some of the same
experiences.  And will come back a changed man - and a man in many ways.
And that makes me very happy

He's traveling with his girl friend.  It was their birthday March 14 - yes
they were born on the same day, same year.  We sent them $500 to do
something they would not normally do on their travel budget.  They went to
an outfitter and are on their way to trek up to Everest base camp - one of
his bucket list items.

>From there they're planning on Bangladesh, Thailand, Burma, Viet Nam.  After
that, they're not sure.

R



-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2013 11:16 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] A new compiled JavaScript?

Hi Rocky:

A trip of a life-time. :-) 

I will look into Viber.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2013 10:23 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] A new compiled JavaScript?

Not a Skype replacement but a nice smart phone app - Viber - My son and his
girlfriend are using it while they're on the road.  Free calls anywhere in
the world.  

Got a call from him last night about 11pm - they're un Lukla in Nepal about
to start a two week trek to Everest base camp.  Thought we wouldn't hear
from them once they left Kathmandu but he says there may even be some wi-fi
along the way.  Quite different than when I was there 40 years ago.

R


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2013 9:25 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] A new compiled JavaScript?

Hi Shamil:

So which products would you suggest would be a good alternative to Skype?

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov
Shamil
Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2013 2:50 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] A new compiled JavaScript?

 Hi Jim --

<<<
Both are becoming more untrustworthy but the day.
>>>
Yes.

<<<
I understand it is a big problem?in Russia. 
>>>
Well, one there might suppose that everything is a big problem here :) I
assure you - it's not - quite a few but not everything:) BTW, quite some
foreigners are working and are living here in Russia.

Easy solution for the 'Skype case': Just ignore it - there are many other
communication tools free from 'KGB eye and ear'. :)

Thank you.

-- Shamil

???????, 19 ????? 2013, 19:12 -07:00 ?? "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca>:
>Hi Shamil:
>
>An aside: I have always been a little apprehensive of either 
>Microsoft's or Google's commitment to any type of programming 
>environment as they may pull support at a moments notice for any number 
>of
reasons.
>
><rant on>
>They sometimes just create an application for training purposes of 
>their staff, or because of some GPL licensing agreement, or to muddy 
>the waters
of
>another competitor, or on some wild prospecting adventure. Then they 
>may just pull or drop the program as it may be challenging their 
>high-end products, or they loose interest, or a application no longer 
>fits their new model.
>
>That is why, no matter how interested I am in any application that 
>either make; I always find myself looking for a quick exit if or when 
>they bale, yet again.
>
>Didn't Microsoft just announce they are removing messenger capabilities
from
>Skype, I guess to many were using it instead of their other Messenger. 
>Then they are dropping Windows 8 support from their phones, just like 
>Silverlight. Google has just dropped Google Docs and RSS feeds for 
>anyone but their paying customers...Most of Google translation 
>functionality has gone. Google has been making great strides designing 
>on top of open GPL products and now is trying apply charges to their
efforts.
>
>Then Microsoft has been censured because they have left an backdoor 
>into their Skype that any government can use...I understand it is a big 
>problem in Russia. Then the ECM is threatening to out right ban 
>Google's Glass project unless they will absolutely guarantee privacy 
>for
the users.
>
>Both are becoming more untrustworthy but the day.
><rant off>
>
>It is now so hard to know which way to go in product development.
>
>Jim
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From:  dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
>Salakhetdinov Shamil
>Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2013 2:17 PM
>To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] A new compiled JavaScript?
>
>?Hi Jim --
>
>Thank you for your link.
>
>Concerning your question: "No, I haven't worked with DART."
>
>Quick googling gives:
>
>Douglas Crockford, when asked about Dart during his Programming Style 
>and Your Brain lecture, replied:?"So, I've thought for a long time ...
>if I could take a clean sheet of paper and write [a new language] that 
>retains all the goodness of [Javascript] ... I would not have come up 
>with anything like Dart." ?(Source:
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dart_ (programming_language )?) Resume: if 
>not pure JavaScript (with jQuery etc.) then go TypeScript ( 
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TypeScript ) not DART.?:)
>
>Thank you.
>
>-- Shamil
>
>
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Mar 21 03:52:15 2013
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2013 09:52:15 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Xbox
Message-ID: <002001ce2611$632f5930$298e0b90$@cactus.dk>

Hi Hans

Great. I can see I have something to read up during the weekend. Thanks!

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Hans-Christian Andersen
Sendt: 20. marts 2013 19:19
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Xbox

Hi Gustav,

DNLA is just a file sharing protocol specifically for media (movies, music and pictures). If your device supports DNLA, it scans your network for DNLA servers and auto-discovers them (no configuration required). The DNLA server then provides the client device with a whole library of media that it has cataloged and let's the device determine what it wants to do with it (ie. streaming the movies and music and do slideshows for pictures).

I believe windows media player can be a DNLA server as well, but the reason i suggest the "PS3 media server" application is that it can also transcode your videos on the fly in case your Xbox doesn't support that specific media format. It started as a project specifically for the PS3 (playstation 3), but it is now more generic and supports any DNLA compliant client. They just didn't change the name to reflect that :)

You would want to install PS3 media player on any computer you have on your network, such as your desktop machine, so long as it has access to your media files (locally or via a share). All you do is point PS3 media server to where your media is located and it does the rest.

You can, of course, also just play media on your xbox off a USB device or a windows file share, but then its not as convenient an experience.

Hope this all makes sense. If not, feel free to ask. You could, of course, just use windows media player instead of PS3 media server for a simpler setup.

- Hans


On 2013-03-20, at 10:20 AM, "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Hi Hans
> 
> Yes, it would be a brand new Xbox 360.
> 
> But what is DNLA and the desktop app "PS3 media server"? PS3 isn't 
> that Play Station?
> And "the machine in your house that hosts your media" - could that be 
> the Xbox or would I need (yet) another appliance for that?
> 
> /gustav
> 
> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af 
> Hans-Christian Andersen
> Sendt: 20. marts 2013 16:50
> Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Xbox
> 
> It works great (I assume you are referring to the Xbox 360 and not the 
> original Xbox, right?).
> 
> It supports DNLA, so you can, for instance, install the desktop app 
> "PS3 media server" on the machine in your house that hosts your media 
> and your Xbox will automatically pick it up off the network.
> 
> - Hans
> 
> 
> On 2013-03-20, at 4:37 AM, "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
> 
>> Hi all
>> 
>> Anybody having an Xbox? 
>> 
>> I'm not a gamer but wonder how it will fit as a media machine/server, 
>> mostly music and mostly own stuff - streaming/download will just be a 
>> nice-to-have feature.
>> 
>> /gustav 



From carbonnb at gmail.com  Thu Mar 21 09:12:12 2013
From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2013 10:12:12 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Phone Headset
Message-ID: <CAAZtbWEQ5yOP=kjSVaznErguYmW5=5BBgxFUJjX1WpsTONLgyg@mail.gmail.com>

We are moving away from traditional PBX phones here at work to Google
Hangouts and cell phones as our means of communications so I need to
look for single solution that will work for both, if it makes sense.

Does anyone have any experience in connecting a SINGLE headset to a
cell phone and a PC? At the same time?

I know that Plantronics and Jabra both have bluetooth options, but
since I haven't used them personally I don't know which one would be
better.

I'd love to hear your opinions and even specific recommendations if
you have them. I'd also love to hear horror stories of what doesn't
work as well, so I can avoid mistakes :)

Thanks,
-- 
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com
Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well
preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out,
shouting "What a great ride!"

From gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Mar 21 09:25:06 2013
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2013 15:25:06 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Phone Headset
Message-ID: <00af01ce263f$e2aa9bb0$a7ffd310$@cactus.dk>

Hi Bryan

Do you have a "public" corporate phone number, and how will you handle a
call to this?

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Bryan Carbonnell
Sendt: 21. marts 2013 15:12
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Emne: [dba-Tech] Phone Headset

We are moving away from traditional PBX phones here at work to Google
Hangouts and cell phones as our means of communications so I need to look
for single solution that will work for both, if it makes sense.

Does anyone have any experience in connecting a SINGLE headset to a cell
phone and a PC? At the same time?

I know that Plantronics and Jabra both have bluetooth options, but since I
haven't used them personally I don't know which one would be better.

I'd love to hear your opinions and even specific recommendations if you have
them. I'd also love to hear horror stories of what doesn't work as well, so
I can avoid mistakes :)

Thanks,
--
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com



From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Mar 21 09:54:18 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2013 07:54:18 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] MalwareBytes
In-Reply-To: <00af01ce263f$e2aa9bb0$a7ffd310$@cactus.dk>
References: <00af01ce263f$e2aa9bb0$a7ffd310$@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <410584FD7D5B414EA9FA60C94C50775A@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Hi All:

As the discussion, the last few days has been about virus scanning programs
such as Vipre, Trojan Hunter and MalwareBytes here is a very timely and
interesting article from TechRepublic about MalwareBytes.

http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/security/rootkit-coders-beware-malwarebytes
-is-in-hot-pursuit/9207?tag=nl.e101&s_cid=e101&ttag=e101

Jim


From carbonnb at gmail.com  Thu Mar 21 11:10:51 2013
From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2013 12:10:51 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Phone Headset
In-Reply-To: <00af01ce263f$e2aa9bb0$a7ffd310$@cactus.dk>
References: <00af01ce263f$e2aa9bb0$a7ffd310$@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <CAAZtbWGLjkeGqk1TWmaFa99w__M4HSmcxtRs_o4EoRknVvcenw@mail.gmail.com>

I left out that the corporation is moving from PBX to IP telephony for
those that require a traditional desk phone.

Most of my department doesn't, so cell phones and online conferencing
is what we are doing, hence my post.

B

On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 10:25 AM, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
> Hi Bryan
>
> Do you have a "public" corporate phone number, and how will you handle a
> call to this?
>
> /gustav
>
> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Bryan Carbonnell
> Sendt: 21. marts 2013 15:12
> Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Emne: [dba-Tech] Phone Headset
>
> We are moving away from traditional PBX phones here at work to Google
> Hangouts and cell phones as our means of communications so I need to look
> for single solution that will work for both, if it makes sense.
>
> Does anyone have any experience in connecting a SINGLE headset to a cell
> phone and a PC? At the same time?
>
> I know that Plantronics and Jabra both have bluetooth options, but since I
> haven't used them personally I don't know which one would be better.
>
> I'd love to hear your opinions and even specific recommendations if you have
> them. I'd also love to hear horror stories of what doesn't work as well, so
> I can avoid mistakes :)
>
> Thanks,
> --
> Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com
>
>
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-- 
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com
Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well
preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out,
shouting "What a great ride!"


From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Mar 22 10:10:48 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2013 08:10:48 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] The web and the bleeding edge
In-Reply-To: <CAAZtbWGLjkeGqk1TWmaFa99w__M4HSmcxtRs_o4EoRknVvcenw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <00af01ce263f$e2aa9bb0$a7ffd310$@cactus.dk>
	<CAAZtbWGLjkeGqk1TWmaFa99w__M4HSmcxtRs_o4EoRknVvcenw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A0BD57B25BE4E3CBE012FE0ECC0F6FB@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Hi All:

For those of you who have the time for a little experimenting, Google has a
new breed of browser/web interface. Google has released many applications
but I have never seen one marked "bleed edge" before.

Check it out here:

https://www.google.com/intl/en/chrome/browser/canary.html

...more info...

https://www.google.com/intl/en/chrome/browser/features.html

It runs on XP/Vista/7 and even 8. This product will be the core to their new
line of OS/internet hardware so we will be able to get a first glimpse into
their version of our future. 

Jim


From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Mar 22 10:27:03 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2013 08:27:03 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Google and the market
In-Reply-To: <4A0BD57B25BE4E3CBE012FE0ECC0F6FB@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <00af01ce263f$e2aa9bb0$a7ffd310$@cactus.dk><CAAZtbWGLjkeGqk1TWmaFa99w__M4HSmcxtRs_o4EoRknVvcenw@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A0BD57B25BE4E3CBE012FE0ECC0F6FB@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <84629CF9EDA148689C9100906E28E20F@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Hi All:

It seems like other people in the business have been having the same
concerns as I have about Google's products. 

http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2013/03/a-problem-google-has-c
reated-for-itself/274232/

Jim


From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Mar 22 12:04:14 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2013 10:04:14 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Proxy servers
In-Reply-To: <84629CF9EDA148689C9100906E28E20F@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <00af01ce263f$e2aa9bb0$a7ffd310$@cactus.dk><CAAZtbWGLjkeGqk1TWmaFa99w__M4HSmcxtRs_o4EoRknVvcenw@mail.gmail.com><4A0BD57B25BE4E3CBE012FE0ECC0F6FB@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<84629CF9EDA148689C9100906E28E20F@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <33B47A5F0AB747E8858EFD4D76F44830@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Hi All:

Has any one had experience with using proxy servers other than through the
Cloud? If so what are your opinions?

The following link lists a number of Proxy servers or VPN providers and
gives a very basic over-view of each:

http://torrentfreak.com/which-vpn-providers-really-take-anonymity-seriously-
111007/

Jim


From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Mar 26 10:17:56 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2013 08:17:56 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] What is new for Windows 8
In-Reply-To: <33B47A5F0AB747E8858EFD4D76F44830@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <00af01ce263f$e2aa9bb0$a7ffd310$@cactus.dk><CAAZtbWGLjkeGqk1TWmaFa99w__M4HSmcxtRs_o4EoRknVvcenw@mail.gmail.com><4A0BD57B25BE4E3CBE012FE0ECC0F6FB@creativesystemdesigns.com><84629CF9EDA148689C9100906E28E20F@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<33B47A5F0AB747E8858EFD4D76F44830@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <BFE029D1F0E646E38473740A353709DD@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Hi All:

Here is a link to an article which gives us some insight into what is new
(SP) for Windows 8.

http://www.theverge.com/2013/3/25/4144618/windows-blue-video-preview-screens
hots

Jim


From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Mar 26 10:25:32 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2013 08:25:32 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] This is how to use your spare time
In-Reply-To: <BFE029D1F0E646E38473740A353709DD@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <00af01ce263f$e2aa9bb0$a7ffd310$@cactus.dk><CAAZtbWGLjkeGqk1TWmaFa99w__M4HSmcxtRs_o4EoRknVvcenw@mail.gmail.com><4A0BD57B25BE4E3CBE012FE0ECC0F6FB@creativesystemdesigns.com><84629CF9EDA148689C9100906E28E20F@creativesystemdesigns.com><33B47A5F0AB747E8858EFD4D76F44830@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<BFE029D1F0E646E38473740A353709DD@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <EB5CE7C379C0426C99CE9249B0A68A87@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Hi All:

A British teen just hacking together an app that condensed news articles for
display on the Smartphone and makes $30 million for his efforts. 

http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-teen-millionaire-20130326,0,7082548.st
ory

Jim


From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Mar 26 12:15:53 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2013 10:15:53 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Cloud sync application for everyone
In-Reply-To: <EB5CE7C379C0426C99CE9249B0A68A87@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <00af01ce263f$e2aa9bb0$a7ffd310$@cactus.dk><CAAZtbWGLjkeGqk1TWmaFa99w__M4HSmcxtRs_o4EoRknVvcenw@mail.gmail.com><4A0BD57B25BE4E3CBE012FE0ECC0F6FB@creativesystemdesigns.com><84629CF9EDA148689C9100906E28E20F@creativesystemdesigns.com><33B47A5F0AB747E8858EFD4D76F44830@creativesystemdesigns.com><BFE029D1F0E646E38473740A353709DD@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<EB5CE7C379C0426C99CE9249B0A68A87@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <B00F938C5F9442D896C71BD14BC7DB60@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Hi All:

I have installed the application SDExplorer, from Microsoft but my username
and password, of almost twenty years as a subscriber to Technet does not
work anymore. I subsequently phoned Microsoft and asked what were the issues
and was told they are still trying to sort out start up problems and would
get back to me asap. That was two months ago and three calls later, from me
and always the same excuse but no return phone call or email.(?) 

Anyway with a number of secure and not so secure, free or inexpensive Cloud
storage sources there are a few excellent work arounds. 

I use Google Drive, Cubby, Dropbox and of course my favourite, UbuntuOne.
Dropbox is my largest remote cache with somewhere about 20GB (there are
benefits to getting in first and sharing with the family as it all adds up)
The other Cloud cache products are generally computer specific but the
UbuntuOne allows me to sync files from anywhere in the network.

Here is a link to an articles just posted from TechRepublic and it might
interest those of you who use Cloud storage:

http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/five-apps/five-cloud-sync-apps-that-rise-ab
ove-the-rest/1775?tag=nl.e101&s_cid=e101&ttag=e101

Jim      


From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Mar 26 22:13:52 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:13:52 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Unstable environment
In-Reply-To: <B00F938C5F9442D896C71BD14BC7DB60@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <00af01ce263f$e2aa9bb0$a7ffd310$@cactus.dk><CAAZtbWGLjkeGqk1TWmaFa99w__M4HSmcxtRs_o4EoRknVvcenw@mail.gmail.com><4A0BD57B25BE4E3CBE012FE0ECC0F6FB@creativesystemdesigns.com><84629CF9EDA148689C9100906E28E20F@creativesystemdesigns.com><33B47A5F0AB747E8858EFD4D76F44830@creativesystemdesigns.com><BFE029D1F0E646E38473740A353709DD@creativesystemdesigns.com><EB5CE7C379C0426C99CE9249B0A68A87@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<B00F938C5F9442D896C71BD14BC7DB60@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <8AE3C4B6FF0A4DF0BC04C6A1B8633641@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Hi All:

As alluded to last week the never ending removal of product lines or the
neutering of some applications. Here is the latest comments of the demise of
Google Reader; used by many but apparently not by enough.

http://radar.oreilly.com/2013/03/the-demise-of-google-reader-stability-as-a-
service.html

Jim


From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Mar 26 22:16:55 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:16:55 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] A very small database
In-Reply-To: <B00F938C5F9442D896C71BD14BC7DB60@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <00af01ce263f$e2aa9bb0$a7ffd310$@cactus.dk><CAAZtbWGLjkeGqk1TWmaFa99w__M4HSmcxtRs_o4EoRknVvcenw@mail.gmail.com><4A0BD57B25BE4E3CBE012FE0ECC0F6FB@creativesystemdesigns.com><84629CF9EDA148689C9100906E28E20F@creativesystemdesigns.com><33B47A5F0AB747E8858EFD4D76F44830@creativesystemdesigns.com><BFE029D1F0E646E38473740A353709DD@creativesystemdesigns.com><EB5CE7C379C0426C99CE9249B0A68A87@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<B00F938C5F9442D896C71BD14BC7DB60@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <B28013A2CB4E4E66B609828353466F0C@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Hi All:

Has anyone had any experience with this database? It is supposed to be very
small, full-featured, internet ready, cross-platform and free for
developers.

http://www.embarcadero.com/landing-pages/interbase-xe-database-embed-deploy-
relax?cid=701G0000000Wul3

Jim


From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Mar 26 22:30:28 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:30:28 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Bitcoin
In-Reply-To: <B00F938C5F9442D896C71BD14BC7DB60@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <00af01ce263f$e2aa9bb0$a7ffd310$@cactus.dk><CAAZtbWGLjkeGqk1TWmaFa99w__M4HSmcxtRs_o4EoRknVvcenw@mail.gmail.com><4A0BD57B25BE4E3CBE012FE0ECC0F6FB@creativesystemdesigns.com><84629CF9EDA148689C9100906E28E20F@creativesystemdesigns.com><33B47A5F0AB747E8858EFD4D76F44830@creativesystemdesigns.com><BFE029D1F0E646E38473740A353709DD@creativesystemdesigns.com><EB5CE7C379C0426C99CE9249B0A68A87@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<B00F938C5F9442D896C71BD14BC7DB60@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <8774A76A6BF04046B5F50FFC20703A37@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Hi All:

For those who have to transfer money from country to country, want a degree
of security, don't want to be hammered with exorbitant fees why not try
BitCoin. 

http://informalprotocol.com/2013/03/bitcoin/

There are a number of similar projects on the way as Bitcoin and others have
a maximum amount for the particular agreement of around $20 million. When
the amount has been reached the service is then closed to but only the ones
that purchased initially. 

The product, Bitcoin and its forks are all OSS so the security is superior,
can not be hacked and allows those buying in the ability to transfer funds
and purchase products anywhere in the world. There is a maximum any one
person or entity can purchase so no individual or groups if individuals can
cease control. How this product works out in the future is yet to be seen
but so far there have been no complaints, other than from various banking
concerns and governments...but really who cares about them...it is almost a
vote of confidence in the technology.

Jim    


From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Tue Mar 26 23:49:23 2013
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 14:49:23 +1000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Bitcoin
In-Reply-To: <8774A76A6BF04046B5F50FFC20703A37@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <00af01ce263f$e2aa9bb0$a7ffd310$@cactus.dk>,
	<B00F938C5F9442D896C71BD14BC7DB60@creativesystemdesigns.com>,
	<8774A76A6BF04046B5F50FFC20703A37@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <51527A53.3906.3D4C908D@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

But beware of widely fluctuating exchange rates between BCs and other currencies.   

It is not limited to $20 million (as in dollars) - there is a maximum number of bitcoins that will 
ever be created and since there will be a continuous loss of BCs from various causes, there 
will over time be fewer and fewer of them in circulation.  That means that in theory, they will 
continue to appreciate in value against other currencies.


-- 
Stuart 

On 26 Mar 2013 at 20:30, Jim Lawrence wrote:

> Hi All:
> 
> For those who have to transfer money from country to country, want a degree
> of security, don't want to be hammered with exorbitant fees why not try
> BitCoin. 
> 
> http://informalprotocol.com/2013/03/bitcoin/
> 
> There are a number of similar projects on the way as Bitcoin and others have
> a maximum amount for the particular agreement of around $20 million. When
> the amount has been reached the service is then closed to but only the ones
> that purchased initially. 
> 
> The product, Bitcoin and its forks are all OSS so the security is superior,
> can not be hacked and allows those buying in the ability to transfer funds
> and purchase products anywhere in the world. There is a maximum any one
> person or entity can purchase so no individual or groups if individuals can
> cease control. How this product works out in the future is yet to be seen
> but so far there have been no complaints, other than from various banking
> concerns and governments...but really who cares about them...it is almost a
> vote of confidence in the technology.
> 
> Jim    
> 
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 



From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Wed Mar 27 00:01:45 2013
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 15:01:45 +1000
Subject: [dba-Tech] A very small database
In-Reply-To: <B28013A2CB4E4E66B609828353466F0C@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <00af01ce263f$e2aa9bb0$a7ffd310$@cactus.dk>,
	<B00F938C5F9442D896C71BD14BC7DB60@creativesystemdesigns.com>,
	<B28013A2CB4E4E66B609828353466F0C@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <51527D39.12681.3D57E448@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

I've had to try and intergrate with systems developed using Interbase.  A real PITA.


And I'm always wary of products where you can't find a price on their website - it generally 
means they want an arm and a leg for it.

Incidentally, Easysoft want $575 for just a single machine licence for the ODBC driver for it.

-- 
Stuart


On 26 Mar 2013 at 20:16, Jim Lawrence wrote:

> Hi All:
> 
> Has anyone had any experience with this database? It is supposed to be very
> small, full-featured, internet ready, cross-platform and free for
> developers.
> 
> http://www.embarcadero.com/landing-pages/interbase-xe-database-embed-deploy-
> relax?cid=701G0000000Wul3
> 
> Jim
> 
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 



From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Mar 27 09:29:35 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 07:29:35 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Bitcoin
In-Reply-To: <51527A53.3906.3D4C908D@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <00af01ce263f$e2aa9bb0$a7ffd310$@cactus.dk>,
	<B00F938C5F9442D896C71BD14BC7DB60@creativesystemdesigns.com>,
	<8774A76A6BF04046B5F50FFC20703A37@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<51527A53.3906.3D4C908D@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <96A201352B7A494FB6E9B35CBD7641A2@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Hi Stewart:

It was good that you caught that...only noticed it after the emial was sent.
;-)

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 9:49 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Bitcoin

But beware of widely fluctuating exchange rates between BCs and other
currencies.   

It is not limited to $20 million (as in dollars) - there is a maximum number
of bitcoins that will 
ever be created and since there will be a continuous loss of BCs from
various causes, there 
will over time be fewer and fewer of them in circulation.  That means that
in theory, they will 
continue to appreciate in value against other currencies.


-- 
Stuart 

On 26 Mar 2013 at 20:30, Jim Lawrence wrote:

> Hi All:
> 
> For those who have to transfer money from country to country, want a
degree
> of security, don't want to be hammered with exorbitant fees why not try
> BitCoin. 
> 
> http://informalprotocol.com/2013/03/bitcoin/
> 
> There are a number of similar projects on the way as Bitcoin and others
have
> a maximum amount for the particular agreement of around $20 million. When
> the amount has been reached the service is then closed to but only the
ones
> that purchased initially. 
> 
> The product, Bitcoin and its forks are all OSS so the security is
superior,
> can not be hacked and allows those buying in the ability to transfer funds
> and purchase products anywhere in the world. There is a maximum any one
> person or entity can purchase so no individual or groups if individuals
can
> cease control. How this product works out in the future is yet to be seen
> but so far there have been no complaints, other than from various banking
> concerns and governments...but really who cares about them...it is almost
a
> vote of confidence in the technology.
> 
> Jim    
> 
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 


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From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Mar 27 09:35:18 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 07:35:18 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] A very small database
In-Reply-To: <51527D39.12681.3D57E448@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <00af01ce263f$e2aa9bb0$a7ffd310$@cactus.dk>,
	<B00F938C5F9442D896C71BD14BC7DB60@creativesystemdesigns.com>,
	<B28013A2CB4E4E66B609828353466F0C@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<51527D39.12681.3D57E448@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <6B03F564EB2D4414A90361051B5A1C3F@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Hi Stewart:

It does sound like a no-go. 

We will just have to contend ourselves with OSS products. If Linux is good
enough for my oven, dishwasher and TV (...not to mention cell phone) with
all the related database products, then it is good enough for me. ;-)

Jim 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 10:02 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] A very small database

I've had to try and intergrate with systems developed using Interbase.  A
real PITA.


And I'm always wary of products where you can't find a price on their
website - it generally 
means they want an arm and a leg for it.

Incidentally, Easysoft want $575 for just a single machine licence for the
ODBC driver for it.

-- 
Stuart


On 26 Mar 2013 at 20:16, Jim Lawrence wrote:

> Hi All:
> 
> Has anyone had any experience with this database? It is supposed to be
very
> small, full-featured, internet ready, cross-platform and free for
> developers.
> 
>
http://www.embarcadero.com/landing-pages/interbase-xe-database-embed-deploy-
> relax?cid=701G0000000Wul3
> 
> Jim
> 
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 


_______________________________________________
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http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com


From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Mar 27 09:42:28 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 07:42:28 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] A game build in Excel?
In-Reply-To: <51527D39.12681.3D57E448@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <00af01ce263f$e2aa9bb0$a7ffd310$@cactus.dk>,
	<B00F938C5F9442D896C71BD14BC7DB60@creativesystemdesigns.com>,
	<B28013A2CB4E4E66B609828353466F0C@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<51527D39.12681.3D57E448@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <3EA42D90623C42738384BA350AB64504@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Hi All:

Hard to believe but it is supposedly true. Check it out at:

http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2013/03/25/arena-xlsm-is-an-rpg-made-entirel
y-in-excel/

Wiki here: http://arenaxlsm.wikia.com/wiki/Arena.Xlsm_Wiki

...and download here: 
http://carywalkin.wordpress.com/2013/03/17/arena-xlsm-released/

Jim 


From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Mar 27 09:56:22 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 07:56:22 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Are Patents destroying the computer market
In-Reply-To: <3EA42D90623C42738384BA350AB64504@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <00af01ce263f$e2aa9bb0$a7ffd310$@cactus.dk>,
	<B00F938C5F9442D896C71BD14BC7DB60@creativesystemdesigns.com>,
	<B28013A2CB4E4E66B609828353466F0C@creativesystemdesigns.com><51527D39.12681.3D57E448@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<3EA42D90623C42738384BA350AB64504@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <AE9DFC90390043A8B25F8E17D5E0B466@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Hi All:

There has been some concern of late as to how the obsession of patents could
destroy the computer industry or any industry for that matter.

In 1991, Bill Gates wrote the following:

	In a memo to his senior executives, Bill Gates wrote, "If people had
understood how patents would be granted when most of today's ideas were
invented, and had taken out patents, the industry would be at a complete
standstill today." Mr. Gates worried that "some large company will patent
some obvious thing" and use the patent to "take as much of our profits as
they want. " ...very prophetic

Consider the following:

"In the smartphone industry alone, according to a Stanford University
analysis, as much as $20 billion was spent on patent litigation and patent
purchases in the last two years -- an amount equal to eight Mars rover
missions. Last year, for the first time, spending by Apple and Google on
patent lawsuits and unusually big-dollar patent purchases exceeded spending
on research and development of new products, according to public filings."

http://www.techdirt.com/blog/innovation/articles/20130325/11085322454/crazy-
idea-month-allowing-patents-mathematics.shtml

Jim


From paul.hartland at googlemail.com  Fri Mar 29 16:15:59 2013
From: paul.hartland at googlemail.com (Paul Hartland)
Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 21:15:59 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Remote numerical keypad to send a message
Message-ID: <CALGJE960tOCbyiF7aFeAZ0qW3igZvcM-k4JYq+rLgS6pYuVM3g@mail.gmail.com>

To all,

I have an idea and I am hoping the one part of it or something very similar
already exists.  I want a numerical keypad that when the * or # key is
pressed it can sent a line of text to a table on a database.

My first thought would be that if it would send an email or sms (if sms
could go through a 3rd party to convert to email), then I could write an
app to scan the email address every so often and put the line of text into
my table, which I have done before.

So basically I need to know if any of you know if such a keypad unit
exists, they would be site based i.e. could be in a home or office.

If anyone can help or point me in the right direction I would be grateful/


-- 
Paul Hartland
paul.hartland at googlemail.com

From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Mar 29 17:30:44 2013
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 15:30:44 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] A long day
Message-ID: <12AEB77E4F044552AA213AE5A8B123C8@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Anyone that is mildly interested:

 

<irrelevant rant on>

 

I have been working on the most ancient Informix database and it has been an
absolute bear.

 

Memory issues are continually biting... Below are but a few of the issues:

 

It has taken a series of deleting and replacing common variable memory
blocks to get some decent speed as when a module is too complex (at least as
far as core application is concerned) or a table is loaded with too many key
it either crashes or starting writing to the disk... and the system slows to
a halt.

 

Loading tables just disappear...found that a table under load could just
loses its connection to the window it was connected to...no apparent reason
so code has to be made to check. It scans the table header to see if the
window dual bytes are appropriately filled and if not moves to last known
window, of the table in question and directly go to the table there by
recovering it.

 

It is significantly faster to just delete network tables and replace them
with blank empty tables than trying to run a full delete of the
contents...of course this is all size dependant.

 

There is now a universal module in place which continually monitors
performance and when it drops below a certain level the system halt the
process, clears the current working common block, unloads and reloads the
affected tables and a reduced set requery is run and the process then
continues where it left off... It also has to take into account, if it is
running across the internet whether the connection speed is the issue or
not.

 

Some modules have to be loaded in pieces, into high memory as not to
over-run or over write the system due to some odd memory leaks. It resolves
these problems by continually refreshing the code and variable sets. There
is also some the system's primitives which are (even) more flaky so care had
to be taken when using them or methods to circumnavigate had to be
constructed. If a system module was unavoidable then it had to be run in a
module freshly compiled and run, then immediately removed from memory.

 

There are many more such issues but this is just a taste. This is all
outside the client's understanding or care for that matter as they just want
it to work and work reliably every time and from everywhere.

 

This is not the worse environment as some of the old chips, when working
with assembler needed to be continuously monitored for timing and stability
issues but this rates in the top ten (top five?) of ugly. Considering it is
all built on top of a single user package which now can support as many
users as the system's and network's resources allow. Most the coding effort
is figuring out work-arounds and not just straight coding.

 

Would I have started the project if I had any inkling of the issues
...absolutely not.

 

<irrelevant rant off>

 

But the day is beautiful so I will go for a quick walk, have another coffee
and get back to it.

 

Jim

 

 


From jon at tydda.plus.com  Sat Mar 30 07:09:39 2013
From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda)
Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2013 12:09:39 -0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] AV+Firewall
Message-ID: <002201ce2d3f$74c37840$5e4a68c0$@tydda.plus.com>

So it?s that time of year when my subscriptions are up for renewal


 

I?ve been using ZoneAlarm Firewall for ever, and Vipre Anti-Virus for over 5
years.

 

I?m more than happy with both products, but when I look at the renewal
deals, it?s going to cost me ?70 for 1 year?s subscription to both, or I
could get the deals and go with the whole security suite from either
company, which would be cheaper. With Vipre, I can get the ?PC Lifetime
Protection? deal for ?70 or pay ?50 for two years? protection from
ZoneAlarm.

 

What I really want to know is:

 

How good is ZoneAlarm?s anti-virus product?

How good is Vipre?s Firewall product?

 

The other thing to take into account is that most of this computer is 5
years old already, but it?s running Windows 7 & Office 2013 with no
problems, so I don?t foresee a need to replace it any time soon, although I
have just bought a new Windows 8 laptop to play with


 

If anyone can point me at a good deal to do both AV and Firewall, and on
more than one computer, that would be brilliant. I thought I?d seen one for
Vipre for the lifetime of 10 PCs but I can?t find it now


 

Any suggestions?

 

 

Jon


From Gustav at cactus.dk  Sat Mar 30 07:58:52 2013
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2013 13:58:52 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] AV+Firewall
Message-ID: <s156efb5.042@cactus.dk>

Hi Jon

We had similar considerations and I decided to change the route.

First, Microsoft's free offerings, Windows Firewall and Windows Defender, have been running for years with zero issues.
Second, the real threat for office users are links to bad web sites, so I decided to implement and sign up for CSIS' Secure DNS service:

<quote>
Secure DNS protects your organization by blocking access to malicious websites. Secure DNS is updated regularly and does not require any administration or maintenance on your part. You can monitor the usage of your Secure DNS service and generate reports via this personal web portal, accessible via the following link: https://tdg.csis.dk.

Your Secure DNS account is configured to allow access from the following IP-addresses or ranges. Please note that the list should include all fixed IP-addresses and ranges, used by your organization to perform DNS lookups or access the Internet.
*213.xxx.yyy.zzz/29
*213.xxx.yyy.vvv/29

In order to implement Secure DNS in your organization, you will need to configure the DNS servers in your organization to use the following Secure DNS IP-addresses as DNS forwarders
1.94.126.177.21
2.92.43.123.140
3.Optional: IP1 of your ISP DNS server, Google DNS or similar, for increased redundancy.
4.Optional: IP2 of your ISP DNS server, Google DNS or similar, for increased redundancy.

After changing the DNS forwarders, you can test if Secure DNS is working by accessing the website www.blockedbycsis.com. If the text on the site says Access Denied, Secure DNS is working properly.
</quote>

http://www.csis.dk/en/business/securedns/

Third, I've installed the corporate version of Heimdal to silently and automatically update Java and the Adobe "things"  which is a _major_ relief for the users:

https://cdn.heimdalagent.com/static/doc/Intro_HeimdalSecurityAgent_Corporate.en.pdf

The importance of this is that from your admin login on their website you can document what kind of security steps you have taken and that they do work.

Even with the "corporate" label, these services are priced if not cheap then fair.
Secure DNS is about USD 30 per user per year. Heimdal twice this.

/gustav

>>> jon at tydda.plus.com 30-03-13 13:09 >>>
So it?s that time of year when my subscriptions are up for renewal?

I?ve been using ZoneAlarm Firewall for ever, and Vipre Anti-Virus for over 5
years.

I?m more than happy with both products, but when I look at the renewal
deals, it?s going to cost me ?70 for 1 year?s subscription to both, or I
could get the deals and go with the whole security suite from either
company, which would be cheaper. With Vipre, I can get the ?PC Lifetime
Protection? deal for ?70 or pay ?50 for two years? protection from
ZoneAlarm.

What I really want to know is:

How good is ZoneAlarm?s anti-virus product?
How good is Vipre?s Firewall product?

The other thing to take into account is that most of this computer is 5
years old already, but it?s running Windows 7 & Office 2013 with no
problems, so I don?t foresee a need to replace it any time soon, although I
have just bought a new Windows 8 laptop to play with?

If anyone can point me at a good deal to do both AV and Firewall, and on
more than one computer, that would be brilliant. I thought I?d seen one for
Vipre for the lifetime of 10 PCs but I can?t find it now?

Any suggestions?
Jon


From jon at tydda.plus.com  Sat Mar 30 08:11:57 2013
From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda)
Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2013 13:11:57 -0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] AV+Firewall
In-Reply-To: <s156efb5.042@cactus.dk>
References: <s156efb5.042@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <002b01ce2d48$28967f90$79c37eb0$@tydda.plus.com>

Thanks Gustav

This is for my home computer and laptop, not work, so I'm not worried about
documentation. I'm not worried about it at work either, it's someone else's
problem :-)

I already use Open DNS to avoid bad sites, and have AdBlock Pro installed,
to stop adverts, and that's pretty effective.



Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: 30 March 2013 12:59
To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] AV+Firewall

Hi Jon

We had similar considerations and I decided to change the route.

First, Microsoft's free offerings, Windows Firewall and Windows Defender,
have been running for years with zero issues.
Second, the real threat for office users are links to bad web sites, so I
decided to implement and sign up for CSIS' Secure DNS service:

<quote>
Secure DNS protects your organization by blocking access to malicious
websites. Secure DNS is updated regularly and does not require any
administration or maintenance on your part. You can monitor the usage of
your Secure DNS service and generate reports via this personal web portal,
accessible via the following link: https://tdg.csis.dk.

Your Secure DNS account is configured to allow access from the following
IP-addresses or ranges. Please note that the list should include all fixed
IP-addresses and ranges, used by your organization to perform DNS lookups or
access the Internet.
*213.xxx.yyy.zzz/29
*213.xxx.yyy.vvv/29

In order to implement Secure DNS in your organization, you will need to
configure the DNS servers in your organization to use the following Secure
DNS IP-addresses as DNS forwarders
1.94.126.177.21
2.92.43.123.140
3.Optional: IP1 of your ISP DNS server, Google DNS or similar, for increased
redundancy.
4.Optional: IP2 of your ISP DNS server, Google DNS or similar, for increased
redundancy.

After changing the DNS forwarders, you can test if Secure DNS is working by
accessing the website www.blockedbycsis.com. If the text on the site says
Access Denied, Secure DNS is working properly.
</quote>

http://www.csis.dk/en/business/securedns/

Third, I've installed the corporate version of Heimdal to silently and
automatically update Java and the Adobe "things"  which is a _major_ relief
for the users:

https://cdn.heimdalagent.com/static/doc/Intro_HeimdalSecurityAgent_Corporate
.en.pdf

The importance of this is that from your admin login on their website you
can document what kind of security steps you have taken and that they do
work.

Even with the "corporate" label, these services are priced if not cheap then
fair.
Secure DNS is about USD 30 per user per year. Heimdal twice this.

/gustav

>>> jon at tydda.plus.com 30-03-13 13:09 >>>
So it?s that time of year when my subscriptions are up for renewal


I?ve been using ZoneAlarm Firewall for ever, and Vipre Anti-Virus for over 5
years.

I?m more than happy with both products, but when I look at the renewal
deals, it?s going to cost me ?70 for 1 year?s subscription to both, or I
could get the deals and go with the whole security suite from either
company, which would be cheaper. With Vipre, I can get the ?PC Lifetime
Protection? deal for ?70 or pay ?50 for two years? protection from
ZoneAlarm.

What I really want to know is:

How good is ZoneAlarm?s anti-virus product?
How good is Vipre?s Firewall product?

The other thing to take into account is that most of this computer is 5
years old already, but it?s running Windows 7 & Office 2013 with no
problems, so I don?t foresee a need to replace it any time soon, although I
have just bought a new Windows 8 laptop to play with


If anyone can point me at a good deal to do both AV and Firewall, and on
more than one computer, that would be brilliant. I thought I?d seen one for
Vipre for the lifetime of 10 PCs but I can?t find it now


Any suggestions?
Jon

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From hkotsch at arcor.de  Sat Mar 30 08:39:49 2013
From: hkotsch at arcor.de (Helmut Kotsch)
Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2013 14:39:49 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] AV+Firewall
In-Reply-To: <002b01ce2d48$28967f90$79c37eb0$@tydda.plus.com>
Message-ID: <JIECLJNJOMBJFEDLONCBAEILKBAA.hkotsch@arcor.de>

I use:

http://www.avira.com/en/for-home-avira-internet-security

Has the whole enchilada including Firewall.
Is very effective, easy to use, several updates per day.
You get lower price for 3 or 5 PC's.
No, I have no connection with the company.

Helmut

-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]Im Auftrag von Jon Tydda
Gesendet: Samstag, 30. M?rz 2013 14:12
An: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Betreff: Re: [dba-Tech] AV+Firewall


Thanks Gustav

This is for my home computer and laptop, not work, so I'm not worried about
documentation. I'm not worried about it at work either, it's someone else's
problem :-)

I already use Open DNS to avoid bad sites, and have AdBlock Pro installed,
to stop adverts, and that's pretty effective.



Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: 30 March 2013 12:59
To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] AV+Firewall

Hi Jon

We had similar considerations and I decided to change the route.

First, Microsoft's free offerings, Windows Firewall and Windows Defender,
have been running for years with zero issues.
Second, the real threat for office users are links to bad web sites, so I
decided to implement and sign up for CSIS' Secure DNS service:

<quote>
Secure DNS protects your organization by blocking access to malicious
websites. Secure DNS is updated regularly and does not require any
administration or maintenance on your part. You can monitor the usage of
your Secure DNS service and generate reports via this personal web portal,
accessible via the following link: https://tdg.csis.dk.

Your Secure DNS account is configured to allow access from the following
IP-addresses or ranges. Please note that the list should include all fixed
IP-addresses and ranges, used by your organization to perform DNS lookups or
access the Internet.
*213.xxx.yyy.zzz/29
*213.xxx.yyy.vvv/29

In order to implement Secure DNS in your organization, you will need to
configure the DNS servers in your organization to use the following Secure
DNS IP-addresses as DNS forwarders
1.94.126.177.21
2.92.43.123.140
3.Optional: IP1 of your ISP DNS server, Google DNS or similar, for increased
redundancy.
4.Optional: IP2 of your ISP DNS server, Google DNS or similar, for increased
redundancy.

After changing the DNS forwarders, you can test if Secure DNS is working by
accessing the website www.blockedbycsis.com. If the text on the site says
Access Denied, Secure DNS is working properly.
</quote>

http://www.csis.dk/en/business/securedns/

Third, I've installed the corporate version of Heimdal to silently and
automatically update Java and the Adobe "things"  which is a _major_ relief
for the users:

https://cdn.heimdalagent.com/static/doc/Intro_HeimdalSecurityAgent_Corporate
.en.pdf

The importance of this is that from your admin login on their website you
can document what kind of security steps you have taken and that they do
work.

Even with the "corporate" label, these services are priced if not cheap then
fair.
Secure DNS is about USD 30 per user per year. Heimdal twice this.

/gustav

>>> jon at tydda.plus.com 30-03-13 13:09 >>>
So it?s that time of year when my subscriptions are up for renewal


I?ve been using ZoneAlarm Firewall for ever, and Vipre Anti-Virus for over 5
years.

I?m more than happy with both products, but when I look at the renewal
deals, it?s going to cost me ?70 for 1 year?s subscription to both, or I
could get the deals and go with the whole security suite from either
company, which would be cheaper. With Vipre, I can get the ?PC Lifetime
Protection? deal for ?70 or pay ?50 for two years? protection from
ZoneAlarm.

What I really want to know is:

How good is ZoneAlarm?s anti-virus product?
How good is Vipre?s Firewall product?

The other thing to take into account is that most of this computer is 5
years old already, but it?s running Windows 7 & Office 2013 with no
problems, so I don?t foresee a need to replace it any time soon, although I
have just bought a new Windows 8 laptop to play with


If anyone can point me at a good deal to do both AV and Firewall, and on
more than one computer, that would be brilliant. I thought I?d seen one for
Vipre for the lifetime of 10 PCs but I can?t find it now


Any suggestions?
Jon

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From john at winhaven.net  Sat Mar 30 13:59:13 2013
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2013 13:59:13 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] AV+Firewall
In-Reply-To: <002201ce2d3f$74c37840$5e4a68c0$@tydda.plus.com>
References: <002201ce2d3f$74c37840$5e4a68c0$@tydda.plus.com>
Message-ID: <066201ce2d78$abc409c0$034c1d40$@winhaven.net>

Vipre's Firewall is very easy or very granular - whichever you wish it to
be. When purchasing the suite you also have bad website blocking and 3rd
party updating. I run the suite on my main PC. I like that I can block all
traffic or disable the firewall from the task tray icon with two clicks.
It's helpful for testing purposes. 

In addition to Vipre I use OpenDNS for my DNS server (so I am doubly
protected from bad sites) and run a weekly scan with MalWareBytes (which has
yet to find anything on my computer but I lean to the cautious side because
prevention is so much easier than recovery.

One thing to note is that GFI recently announced they are spinning of Vipre
and the other security related ventures into ThreatTrack Security. Although
GFI was good for Vipre due to its marketing savvy, network security scanning
and patch management tools, I think this is a good thing for Vipre due to
the focus of the new company.

As for ZoneAlarm's suite all I can remember is that it has a rather odd UI.
They may have improved it. They used to buy they AV component from CA but I
can't see that they do anymore.

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda
Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2013 7:10 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: [dba-Tech] AV+Firewall

So it?s that time of year when my subscriptions are up for renewal


 

I?ve been using ZoneAlarm Firewall for ever, and Vipre Anti-Virus for over 5
years.

 

I?m more than happy with both products, but when I look at the renewal
deals, it?s going to cost me ?70 for 1 year?s subscription to both, or I
could get the deals and go with the whole security suite from either
company, which would be cheaper. With Vipre, I can get the ?PC Lifetime
Protection? deal for ?70 or pay ?50 for two years? protection from
ZoneAlarm.

 

What I really want to know is:

 

How good is ZoneAlarm?s anti-virus product?

How good is Vipre?s Firewall product?

 

The other thing to take into account is that most of this computer is 5
years old already, but it?s running Windows 7 & Office 2013 with no
problems, so I don?t foresee a need to replace it any time soon, although I
have just bought a new Windows 8 laptop to play with


 

If anyone can point me at a good deal to do both AV and Firewall, and on
more than one computer, that would be brilliant. I thought I?d seen one for
Vipre for the lifetime of 10 PCs but I can?t find it now


 

Any suggestions?

 

 

Jon

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From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Sat Mar 30 14:11:22 2013
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2013 23:11:22 +0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?Microsoft=3A_jQuery_2=2E0_Will_Add_Full_Supp?=
 =?utf-8?q?ort_For_Windows_Store_Apps?=
Message-ID: <1364670682.117526582@f188.mail.ru>

 Hi All --

FYI: ? Microsoft: jQuery 2.0 Will Add Full Support For Windows Store?Apps

http://techcrunch.com/2013/03/29/microsoft-jquery-2-0-will-add-full-support-for-windows-store-apps/


Thank you.

-- Shamil


From ssharkins at gmail.com  Sun Mar 31 07:25:57 2013
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2013 08:25:57 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Excel rates
Message-ID: <AA8F5EF605B146CFA5FFD0D0008E5EA8@SusanHarkins>

I haven't done any spreadsheet development in years, but someone is 
asking -- a serious request, so I'm thinking about it. They have an Excel 
user who needs occasional macros. I have no idea what Excel code goes for 
nowadays. What's the going rate?

Susan H. 


From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Sun Mar 31 08:59:54 2013
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2013 09:59:54 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Excel rates
In-Reply-To: <AA8F5EF605B146CFA5FFD0D0008E5EA8@SusanHarkins>
References: <AA8F5EF605B146CFA5FFD0D0008E5EA8@SusanHarkins>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1gGygGsBRVaK=G5nJjscJZj3=o5M+cfOi8zPt0AUWncbw@mail.gmail.com>

There are several answers, and I have not bothered to sort them.

a) Depends on what you're wearing to the gig.
b) If it's really been several years, then bill high but be prepared to put
in 4-5 times the hours you consider billable (the others will be consumed
in research).
c) You are famous so that's worth an additional $25/hour at minimum.

A.


On Sun, Mar 31, 2013 at 8:25 AM, Susan Harkins <ssharkins at gmail.com> wrote:

> I haven't done any spreadsheet development in years, but someone is asking
> -- a serious request, so I'm thinking about it. They have an Excel user who
> needs occasional macros. I have no idea what Excel code goes for nowadays.
> What's the going rate?
>
> Susan H.
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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Sun Mar 31 09:36:52 2013
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2013 10:36:52 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Excel rates
References: <AA8F5EF605B146CFA5FFD0D0008E5EA8@SusanHarkins>
	<CAEPJO1gGygGsBRVaK=G5nJjscJZj3=o5M+cfOi8zPt0AUWncbw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2D00D12FDFE740E7AE8C1BFFB006C036@SusanHarkins>

I'm famous? Awwwwwwwww.... go on with ya! :)

<sigh>

Thank you, but you really didn't help. :)

1.) Mostly my pjs as I work from home and am more retired than not now -- I 
don't get up and get dressed to walk across the hall to my office anymore.
2.) I remember b.) well.
3.) That and a $1 won't even get me a cup of coffee at Starbucks, but thank 
you. I am -- that was sweet of you. :)

Susan H.


> There are several answers, and I have not bothered to sort them.
>
> a) Depends on what you're wearing to the gig.
> b) If it's really been several years, then bill high but be prepared to 
> put
> in 4-5 times the hours you consider billable (the others will be consumed
> in research).
> c) You are famous so that's worth an additional $25/hour at minimum.
>
> A.


From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sun Mar 31 17:30:23 2013
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2013 08:30:23 +1000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Remote numerical keypad to send a message
In-Reply-To: <CALGJE960tOCbyiF7aFeAZ0qW3igZvcM-k4JYq+rLgS6pYuVM3g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALGJE960tOCbyiF7aFeAZ0qW3igZvcM-k4JYq+rLgS6pYuVM3g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5158B8FF.10017.55B13969@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Hi Paul,

Just back from a sailing weekend so haven't seen this til now

What exactly do you mean by a "keypad"?

Something like these?

http://catalogs.indiamart.com/products/handheld-terminal.html

or just one of these?

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/category/category_slc.asp?MfrId=0&CatId=536


What will the keypad be connecting to?  
What sort of connection?  Wired/wireless


-- 
Stuart

On 29 Mar 2013 at 21:15, Paul Hartland wrote:

> To all,
> 
> I have an idea and I am hoping the one part of it or something very similar
> already exists.  I want a numerical keypad that when the * or # key is
> pressed it can sent a line of text to a table on a database.
> 
> My first thought would be that if it would send an email or sms (if sms
> could go through a 3rd party to convert to email), then I could write an
> app to scan the email address every so often and put the line of text into
> my table, which I have done before.
> 
> So basically I need to know if any of you know if such a keypad unit
> exists, they would be site based i.e. could be in a home or office.
> 
> If anyone can help or point me in the right direction I would be grateful/
> 
> 
> -- 
> Paul Hartland
> paul.hartland at googlemail.com
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Sun Mar 31 19:01:17 2013
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2013 17:01:17 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Excel rates
In-Reply-To: <2D00D12FDFE740E7AE8C1BFFB006C036@SusanHarkins>
References: <AA8F5EF605B146CFA5FFD0D0008E5EA8@SusanHarkins><CAEPJO1gGygGsBRVaK=G5nJjscJZj3=o5M+cfOi8zPt0AUWncbw@mail.gmail.com>
	<2D00D12FDFE740E7AE8C1BFFB006C036@SusanHarkins>
Message-ID: <0B7D8A9A35D24445BF355C9589677F41@HAL9007>

$75-100 and hour?   I wouldn't go lower than that.  

R


-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2013 7:37 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Excel rates

I'm famous? Awwwwwwwww.... go on with ya! :)

<sigh>

Thank you, but you really didn't help. :)

1.) Mostly my pjs as I work from home and am more retired than not now -- I
don't get up and get dressed to walk across the hall to my office anymore.
2.) I remember b.) well.
3.) That and a $1 won't even get me a cup of coffee at Starbucks, but thank
you. I am -- that was sweet of you. :)

Susan H.


> There are several answers, and I have not bothered to sort them.
>
> a) Depends on what you're wearing to the gig.
> b) If it's really been several years, then bill high but be prepared 
> to put in 4-5 times the hours you consider billable (the others will 
> be consumed in research).
> c) You are famous so that's worth an additional $25/hour at minimum.
>
> A.

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