[dba-Tech] Google's Cerf Says "Privacy May Be An Anomaly".

Robert robert at servicexp.com
Sat Nov 23 17:09:13 CST 2013


"They who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary
Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

WBR
~Robert


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Friday, November 22, 2013 6:13 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Google's Cerf Says "Privacy May Be An Anomaly".

No - there are no absolutes (except for that one).  All rights haven't been
superseded nor can that happen in our system.

There is always a balance between privacy and security - after 9/11 the
balance swung, with the public's approval, towards more security at the
expense of privacy.   

It now appears that there will be a move in the other direction - the public
will begin to insist on more privacy at the expense of security.  

Either because they are willing to accept the increased security risk for
less intrusive government.  

Or because they do not perceive (correctly or incorrectly) that the risk is
great enough to justify the security measures.

R



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[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Friday, November 22, 2013 11:59 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Google's Cerf Says "Privacy May Be An Anomaly".

That does say it, but does the privileges given to law enforcement after
9/11, supersede all rights to privacy with the rights to security?

Jim   

----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Brawley" <peter.brawley at earthlink.net>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
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Sent: Friday, November 22, 2013 7:26:15 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Google's Cerf Says "Privacy May Be An Anomaly".

On 2013-11-22 8:59 AM, Tina Norris Fields wrote:
> It's interesting to me that the presumption of a right to privacy in 
> the U.S. stems from the assurances of the Fourth Amendment, to be 
> secure from unreasonable search and seizure, combined with the 
> assurances of the Ninth Amendment that rights that haven't been 
> enumerated still exist and are retained by the States and the People 
> themselves.

Article 12 of the UDHR says "No one shall be subjected to interference with
his privacy, family, home or correspondence..."

PB

-----

>
> Although the right to privacy wasn't supported by documentation until 
> the Supreme Court 1967 decision, the families I knew while growing up 
> all presumed they had the right to keep certain information to 
> themselves.  The concept that some things were nobody else's business 
> is not a new concept.  However, I would point out that the American 
> culture wasn't all that clear about its attitudes, as demonstrated by 
> laws on the books that regulated what persons could and couldn't do 
> within their own bedrooms.  So, while I believe we have long had a 
> sense of ownership and choice concerning what we reveal to others, we 
> haven't been even-handed in our attitude when it came to prying into 
> the affairs of others.
>
> To paraphrase an old saying, it's not so much that we opposed 
> ox-goring as that we opposed having our own ox gored.
>
> Best to you,
> TNF
>
> Tina Norris Fields
> tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
> 231-322-2787
>
> On 11/21/2013 6:47 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote:
>>   Hi All --
>>
>>
>> FYI:
>>
>> " Google's Cerf Says "Privacy May Be An Anomaly".
>>
>> http://techcrunch.com/2013/11/20/googles-cerf-says-privacy-may-be-an-
>> anomaly-historically-hes-right/
>>
>>
>> Your opinions?
>>
>>
>
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