From accessd at shaw.ca Tue Oct 1 16:23:19 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2013 15:23:19 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] The new frontpage In-Reply-To: <5E383441419146509FB47AEBC0B3810B@HAL9007> Message-ID: <862738545.19205505.1380662599853.JavaMail.root@cds002> Check this out. https://www.google.com/webdesigner/ Jim From peter.brawley at earthlink.net Tue Oct 1 17:27:41 2013 From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley) Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2013 17:27:41 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] The new frontpage In-Reply-To: <862738545.19205505.1380662599853.JavaMail.root@cds002> References: <862738545.19205505.1380662599853.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: <524B4C5D.6080202@earthlink.net> On 2013-10-01 4:23 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Check this out. > > https://www.google.com/webdesigner/ First reviews ain't so good: https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&ved=0CEYQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fgraemeboy.com%2Ffirst-impressions-of-google-web-designer-quick-review%2F&ei=_EtLUp-pCI-88wSFjIHwDQ&usg=AFQjCNFZLV_AR1Z7nUB4v74Yg-k1rxwxmg&sig2=dUAo6g8Um02iTiGNKsU9pg&bvm=bv.53371865,d.eWU PB ----- From jbartow at winhaven.net Tue Oct 1 18:32:15 2013 From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow) Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2013 18:32:15 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] The new frontpage In-Reply-To: <862738545.19205505.1380662599853.JavaMail.root@cds002> References: <5E383441419146509FB47AEBC0B3810B@HAL9007> <862738545.19205505.1380662599853.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: <00ec01cebefe$76f23b00$64d6b100$@winhaven.net> Closest things I 've found that is as easy as FrontPage but standards based is Adobe Muse. Its got a ways to go for supporting everything but for basic websites it is very simple but elegant. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2013 4:23 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] The new frontpage Check this out. https://www.google.com/webdesigner/ Jim _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Tue Oct 1 19:43:45 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2013 18:43:45 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] The new frontpage In-Reply-To: <524B4C5D.6080202@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <1635126664.19413641.1380674625440.JavaMail.root@cds002> Yeah, then maybe it will go the way of FrontPage as well. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Brawley" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Tuesday, October 1, 2013 3:27:41 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] The new frontpage On 2013-10-01 4:23 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Check this out. > > https://www.google.com/webdesigner/ First reviews ain't so good: https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&ved=0CEYQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fgraemeboy.com%2Ffirst-impressions-of-google-web-designer-quick-review%2F&ei=_EtLUp-pCI-88wSFjIHwDQ&usg=AFQjCNFZLV_AR1Z7nUB4v74Yg-k1rxwxmg&sig2=dUAo6g8Um02iTiGNKsU9pg&bvm=bv.53371865,d.eWU PB ----- _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Tue Oct 1 19:44:53 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2013 18:44:53 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] The new frontpage In-Reply-To: <00ec01cebefe$76f23b00$64d6b100$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: <922362177.19414390.1380674693060.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi John: Will have to check that out. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "John R Bartow" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Tuesday, October 1, 2013 4:32:15 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] The new frontpage Closest things I 've found that is as easy as FrontPage but standards based is Adobe Muse. Its got a ways to go for supporting everything but for basic websites it is very simple but elegant. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2013 4:23 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] The new frontpage Check this out. https://www.google.com/webdesigner/ Jim _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Wed Oct 2 11:54:59 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2013 10:54:59 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] Linus: maybe the best security but not invulnerable In-Reply-To: <5E383441419146509FB47AEBC0B3810B@HAL9007> Message-ID: <1837932428.20013191.1380732899393.JavaMail.root@cds002> Linux is a very secure OS. It is the most secure OS but it is only as secure as how well proper security is meet. Over the years many Linux system support people have become so laxed that they have ignored the many obvious vulnerabilities such as basic setup rules. Rules like isolate your FTP connections, blocking access to the root passwords and maintain your software packages with the latest releases. Some core development packages have become sources of easy access to all sort of remote attacks...PHP of course comes to mind...older versions of the product have a terrible reputation. Many a system support person, even on a best Linux servers have learned this lesson the hard way. Here is the partial confession of a Linux support guru: http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/linux-and-open-source/linux-is-more-secure-but-not-invulnerable/?tag=nl.e101&s_cid=e101&ttag=e101&ftag=TRE684d531 Jim From accessd at shaw.ca Wed Oct 2 22:10:05 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2013 21:10:05 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] BitTorrent Sync In-Reply-To: <1837932428.20013191.1380732899393.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: <901122417.20617010.1380769805758.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi All: I have been playing around with BitTorrent Sync and what it does is excellent. It could be roughly compared with Dropbox but it real functionality is quite different. Here is a list of features: Drpbox: Runs on all platforms. BTSync: Ditto. Drpbox: You can automatically sync your local DropBox with another remote Dropbox. Deleted, Edit and Add. BTSync: Ditto. Drpbox: I do not know whether you can designate one DropBox location as a Read-Only file source. BTSync: Any link can be designated as a Read-Only source. You can also designate only 24 hour availability. Drpbox: You can only have one DropBox location on a computer. BTSync: You can have virtually unlimited number of location, of infinite depth, even the entire harddrive. Drpbox: You can transfer files of any size up and to your purchase or free size limit. BTSync: You can transfer unlimited size files/directories. DrpBox: You can send links to remote parties allowing them to download files in your dropbox. BTSync: You can send a key(s) to a remote party allowing them to download a file or whole directory trees. Drpbox: You can use Dropbox Cloud as a additional storage area. BTSync: You do not have a Cloud storage. Drpbox: Dropbox transfers files very fast. BTSync: BTS transfers files far faster as they are not first transferred to the Cloud but directly link to the remote client. It also transfers faster if there are multiple destinations. Drpbox: Automatically sets itself as run always. BTSync: Can to set to automatically start processed or can be set to manual. Drpbox: Data is not encrypted. BTSync: Data is encrypted (21 bit - 36 characters). Dropbox is definitely easier to install and once a network has been established it is easier to use. It is also easier to send a person outside the network a link to the data. BitTorrent Sync can only be used by those having an appropriate key, the data is more secure, is more flexible and is far faster. There are things that DropBox are far better at, especially if you are using some of its Cloud features but for versatile, any size and very fast transfers BitTorrent Sync is the best, In summary, I would highly recommend the product. Be careful about deleting adding and editing files as the changes can be reflected in seconds on another linked computer. It does have a safety feature which versions files over 40K and saves deleted files in an .archive directory. On computers running BTS you should firewall browser port 8888 as that is used as the application menuing system. Jim From jon.tydda at lonza.com Fri Oct 4 09:58:23 2013 From: jon.tydda at lonza.com (Tydda Jon - Lonza Slough) Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2013 14:58:23 +0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] MS Essentials no longer essential? Message-ID: <3a1219a37fed4745ba89d099b44bafae@CHVEX12.lonzagroup.net> Microsoft recommends you use a third party anti-virus http://www.howtogeek.com/173291/goodbye-microsoft-security-essentials-microsoft-now-recommends-you-use-a-third-party-antivirus/ Jon ________________________________ This communication and its attachments, if any, may contain confidential and privileged information the use of which by other persons or entities than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you receive this transmission in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete the material from your system. From accessd at shaw.ca Fri Oct 4 12:36:06 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2013 11:36:06 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] MS Essentials no longer essential? In-Reply-To: <3a1219a37fed4745ba89d099b44bafae@CHVEX12.lonzagroup.net> Message-ID: <1734904957.22242667.1380908166727.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi Jon: It seems that things have gone full circle. First there was so much malware and the third-party anti-virus companies seemed unable to provide a completely secure environment so Microsoft stepped up and created their Microsoft essentials now they are abandoning their current position and going back to the start again. I wonder if this is a infinite loop? ;-) Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tydda Jon - Lonza Slough" To: "Dba-Tech (dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com)" Sent: Friday, October 4, 2013 7:58:23 AM Subject: [dba-Tech] MS Essentials no longer essential? Microsoft recommends you use a third party anti-virus http://www.howtogeek.com/173291/goodbye-microsoft-security-essentials-microsoft-now-recommends-you-use-a-third-party-antivirus/ Jon ________________________________ This communication and its attachments, if any, may contain confidential and privileged information the use of which by other persons or entities than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you receive this transmission in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete the material from your system. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Fri Oct 4 16:42:48 2013 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Sat, 05 Oct 2013 07:42:48 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] MS Essentials no longer essential? In-Reply-To: <3a1219a37fed4745ba89d099b44bafae@CHVEX12.lonzagroup.net> References: <3a1219a37fed4745ba89d099b44bafae@CHVEX12.lonzagroup.net> Message-ID: <524F3658.27915.2848B7FC@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Does this means that they will stop pestering me with all those 30MB plus "importnat" updates in Windows update? I hope so. On 4 Oct 2013 at 14:58, Tydda Jon - Lonza Slough wrote: > Microsoft recommends you use a third party anti-virus > > http://www.howtogeek.com/173291/goodbye-microsoft-security-essentials-microsoft-now-recommends-you-use-a-third-party-antivirus/ > > > Jon > > > > ________________________________ > This communication and its attachments, if any, may contain confidential and privileged information the use of which by other persons or entities than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you receive this transmission in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete the material from your system. > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From accessd at shaw.ca Fri Oct 4 17:04:00 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2013 16:04:00 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] MS Essentials no longer essential? In-Reply-To: <524F3658.27915.2848B7FC@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <504396127.22524590.1380924240368.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi Stuart: No likely. ;-) Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stuart McLachlan" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Friday, October 4, 2013 2:42:48 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] MS Essentials no longer essential? Does this means that they will stop pestering me with all those 30MB plus "importnat" updates in Windows update? I hope so. On 4 Oct 2013 at 14:58, Tydda Jon - Lonza Slough wrote: > Microsoft recommends you use a third party anti-virus > > http://www.howtogeek.com/173291/goodbye-microsoft-security-essentials-microsoft-now-recommends-you-use-a-third-party-antivirus/ > > > Jon > > > > ________________________________ > This communication and its attachments, if any, may contain confidential and privileged information the use of which by other persons or entities than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you receive this transmission in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete the material from your system. > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Sat Oct 5 11:11:04 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2013 10:11:04 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] A code source like YouTube In-Reply-To: <901122417.20617010.1380769805758.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: <1166611303.22989131.1380989464103.JavaMail.root@cds002> There is a new app/web site that is supposed to be similar to YouTube but instead of cat videos it displays code samples. http://www.forbes.com/sites/anthonykosner/2013/10/02/runnable-aims-to-be-the-youtube-of-code-only-with-less-cat-videos/ ...and... http://runnable.com/ This should allow virtually anyone to boilerplate a working piece of code in a few hours. It should also be a good learning tool. Jim From accessd at shaw.ca Sat Oct 5 11:24:52 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2013 10:24:52 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] The dangers of OSS In-Reply-To: <901122417.20617010.1380769805758.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: <189603397.22997269.1380990292464.JavaMail.root@cds002> Does the growth of OSS mean the demise of proprietaries software? IMHO, no at all, just like libraries did not spell the end to book reading...but OTOH, online books have taken a huge slice out of the traditional publisher and book seller chain. Proprietary software will continue to be the main preserve of the average user and the of the techs that support them and there has been no significant drop in non OSS software sales...maybe just in Win8 but that is another subject and for a different reason. ;-) http://readwrite.com/2013/10/02/does-open-source-rise-spell-the-end-of-traditional-software-vendors#awesm=~ojkKlwqJse8LK1 Jim From accessd at shaw.ca Sat Oct 5 11:36:01 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2013 10:36:01 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] Visual Studio plug-in In-Reply-To: <901122417.20617010.1380769805758.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: <419676702.23002818.1380990961799.JavaMail.root@cds002> There is a plugin for the Visual Studio developer that will let them manage their running products. It is supposed to be excellent for assisting in product design and roll-out and while it is in beta the product is free for testing: http://xamlspy.com/news/xaml-spy-for-visual-studio Jim From accessd at shaw.ca Sat Oct 5 11:40:03 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2013 10:40:03 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] Hand jive from Google In-Reply-To: <901122417.20617010.1380769805758.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: <838050344.23005326.1380991203470.JavaMail.root@cds002> Google has just bought up another company that produces Flutter, a webcam gesture app. First we had people on the street talking to themselves and now they will be waving their hands in the air. To me it may look a little odd. http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013/10/hands-on-with-googles-latest-acquisition-flutter-a-webcam-gesture-app/ Jim From accessd at shaw.ca Sat Oct 5 11:44:44 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2013 10:44:44 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] Google Starts Analytics Academy In-Reply-To: <901122417.20617010.1380769805758.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: <866543574.23008587.1380991484784.JavaMail.root@cds002> You can now become certified using Google Analytics. If you become fully certified in the product it may open up job opportunities at the NSA. ;-) http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/google-starts-analytics-academy-to-teach-people-about-google-analytics/ Jim From accessd at shaw.ca Sat Oct 5 11:49:57 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2013 10:49:57 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] A new Ajax toolkit In-Reply-To: <901122417.20617010.1380769805758.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: <1185638182.23011946.1380991797971.JavaMail.root@cds002> Maybe you would like to build a complete word processor online in your latest webpages. It is designed to use with a ASP.Net BE but it is supposed to be completely written in HTML and can be modified to work in any web environment. http://ajaxcontroltoolkit.codeplex.com/ It looks like a winner to me. Jim From mcp2004 at mail.ru Sun Oct 6 00:27:26 2013 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Sun, 06 Oct 2013 09:27:26 +0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?A_new_Ajax_toolkit?= In-Reply-To: <1185638182.23011946.1380991797971.JavaMail.root@cds002> References: <901122417.20617010.1380769805758.JavaMail.root@cds002> <1185638182.23011946.1380991797971.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: <1381037246.888612039@f215.i.mail.ru> Thank you, Jim -- It looks like "what doctor ordered" for a customer project I have here in my waiting list... I wonder where do you find free time on all your investigations - reading on new technologies, posting links and your resumes on different technological subjects here etc. :) Thank you. -- Shamil Saturday, October 5, 2013 10:49 AM -06:00 from Jim Lawrence : >Maybe you would like to build a complete word processor online in your latest webpages. > >It is designed to use with a ASP.Net BE but it is supposed to be completely written in HTML and can be modified to work in any web environment. > >http://ajaxcontroltoolkit.codeplex.com/ > >It looks like a winner to me. > >Jim >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- ???????????? ?????? From mcp2004 at mail.ru Sun Oct 6 01:35:22 2013 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Sun, 06 Oct 2013 10:35:22 +0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?A_new_Ajax_toolkit?= In-Reply-To: <1381037246.888612039@f215.i.mail.ru> References: <901122417.20617010.1380769805758.JavaMail.root@cds002> <1185638182.23011946.1380991797971.JavaMail.root@cds002> <1381037246.888612039@f215.i.mail.ru> Message-ID: <1381041322.308657166@f304.i.mail.ru> Hi Jim at All -- I have just quickly went through all AJAX ToolKit controls on sample site ( http://www.asp.net/ajaxLibrary/AjaxControlToolkitSampleSite/Default.aspx ) - they work well on desktop but the sample site isn't adapted to mobile usage (tested on WinPhone) - controls work well on WinPhone but the sample site looks the same, it doesn't "morph" to adapt to the mobile device screen size. Not sure if the issue can be solved without a lot of additional work, and you? Here I have found another ASP.NET AJAX/jQuery toolkit: http://juiceui.com/ The sample site does adapt itself to the mobile device display screen. But the sample pages' load time is much longer than of the similar ASP.NET AJAX Toolkit. Anybody interested in the above technologies applications could you please test how they work on different browser and mobile devices and post you test results here? Thank you. -- Shamil P.S. BTW, I have got to the Juice UI via the following link: ?? http://our.componentone.com/2012/02/28/goodbye-ajax-control-toolkit-hello-juice-ui/ P.P.S. Despite the fact that ASP.NET AJAX toolkit doesn't adapt (by default) to the mobile devices displays' margin I'm currently planning to use it first of all for my pending customer project... Sunday, October 6, 2013 9:27 AM +04:00 from Salakhetdinov Shamil : >Thank you, Jim -- > >It looks like "what doctor ordered" for a customer project I have here in my waiting list... > >I wonder where do you find free time on all your investigations - reading on new technologies, posting links and your resumes on different technological subjects here etc. :) > >Thank you. > >-- Shamil > > >Saturday, October 5, 2013 10:49 AM -06:00 from Jim Lawrence < accessd at shaw.ca >: >>Maybe you would like to build a complete word processor online in your latest webpages. >> >>It is designed to use with a ASP.Net BE but it is supposed to be completely written in HTML and can be modified to work in any web environment. >> >> http://ajaxcontroltoolkit.codeplex.com/ >> >>It looks like a winner to me. >> >>Jim >>_______________________________________________ >>dba-Tech mailing list >>dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > >-- >???????????? ?????? >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- ???????????? ?????? From peter.brawley at earthlink.net Sun Oct 6 01:37:06 2013 From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley) Date: Sun, 06 Oct 2013 01:37:06 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Google QuickOffice Message-ID: <52510512.2050501@earthlink.net> http://thenextweb.com/google/2013/09/19/google-makes-quickoffice-for-android-and-ios-free-for-all-bringing-microsoft-office-editing-to-the-masses/ QO for android is pretty slick. On its own it can handle Word, Excel, PPT & PDF files on the device and on Google Drive. Given an explorer-like utility like the free ES File Explorer, QO can handle such files anywhere on any LAN it has access to. Seems to leave two questions, is this RIP Microsoft Office, and will Google make QO Open Source. PB From accessd at shaw.ca Sun Oct 6 02:08:27 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2013 01:08:27 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] A new Ajax toolkit In-Reply-To: <1381037246.888612039@f215.i.mail.ru> Message-ID: <1502411852.23352002.1381043307780.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi Shamil: I am retired or more accurately semi-retired. Now I just get to research and do more of what I have always loved about the computer world...the absolutely incredible innovation. But I still have so many projects on the way in Windows, Linux and the web. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Saturday, October 5, 2013 10:27:26 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] A new Ajax toolkit Thank you, Jim -- It looks like "what doctor ordered" for a customer project I have here in my waiting list... I wonder where do you find free time on all your investigations - reading on new technologies, posting links and your resumes on different technological subjects here etc. :) Thank you. -- Shamil Saturday, October 5, 2013 10:49 AM -06:00 from Jim Lawrence : >Maybe you would like to build a complete word processor online in your latest webpages. > >It is designed to use with a ASP.Net BE but it is supposed to be completely written in HTML and can be modified to work in any web environment. > >http://ajaxcontroltoolkit.codeplex.com/ > >It looks like a winner to me. > >Jim >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- ???????????? ?????? _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From tinanfields at torchlake.com Sun Oct 6 11:44:12 2013 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Sun, 06 Oct 2013 12:44:12 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Google Starts Analytics Academy In-Reply-To: <866543574.23008587.1380991484784.JavaMail.root@cds002> References: <866543574.23008587.1380991484784.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: <5251935C.6080106@torchlake.com> This comes along at an opportune time for me. I will sign up. Thanks, TNF Tina Norris Fields tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com 231-322-2787 On 10/5/2013 12:44 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > You can now become certified using Google Analytics. > > If you become fully certified in the product it may open up job opportunities at the NSA. ;-) > > http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/google-starts-analytics-academy-to-teach-people-about-google-analytics/ > > Jim > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From mcp2004 at mail.ru Mon Oct 7 08:21:14 2013 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2013 17:21:14 +0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?Setting_multiple_IP_addresses_support_for_a_?= =?utf-8?q?hosted_MS_Windows_2008_R2_VPS?= Message-ID: <1381152074.341321670@f73.i.mail.ru> Hi All -- I have got a customer support to setup multiple IP addresses for their hosted MS Windows Server R2 VPS. I must note I have never done that before. Is it as simple as going: - Network Connections -> - Local Area Connection properties -> - Internet Protocol Version 4 -> - Properties -> - Use the following IP Address (primary) / Use the following DNS server addresses -> - Advanced -> - IP addresses -> - Add... ? FYI: Current settings use 'Obtain IP address automatically' option.? Thank you. -- ???????????? ?????? From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Oct 7 12:33:08 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2013 11:33:08 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] Google QuickOffice In-Reply-To: <52510512.2050501@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <1341881563.24404999.1381167188351.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi Peter: This is all part of Google's "burnt earth policy" in dealing with competitors. It does this by creating free applications that fills a void in the market place. Eventually any other company that may have wished to expand into this area, find their opportunities blocked. The application will be left there until their opponent has either gone broke or has quit all designs on this new venture. The method of has been extremely successful over the years. Whether this really free-enterprise is debatable. In the meantime we will be able to enjoy this great new app. (...and unless Microsoft goes broke, we will be able to enjoy this new application for a long time in the future.) ;-) Thanks for posting the link. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Brawley" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Saturday, October 5, 2013 11:37:06 PM Subject: [dba-Tech] Google QuickOffice http://thenextweb.com/google/2013/09/19/google-makes-quickoffice-for-android-and-ios-free-for-all-bringing-microsoft-office-editing-to-the-masses/ QO for android is pretty slick. On its own it can handle Word, Excel, PPT & PDF files on the device and on Google Drive. Given an explorer-like utility like the free ES File Explorer, QO can handle such files anywhere on any LAN it has access to. Seems to leave two questions, is this RIP Microsoft Office, and will Google make QO Open Source. PB _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Oct 7 14:08:57 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2013 13:08:57 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] Are old guys out of touch? In-Reply-To: <5251935C.6080106@torchlake.com> Message-ID: <380055510.24516722.1381172937262.JavaMail.root@cds002> Here is an interesting link sent by a friend. I thought the article was a little inspirations. http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2013/10/06/good-news-old-coots-dont-have-to-be-bigots/ Jim From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Oct 7 15:28:17 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2013 14:28:17 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] Setting multiple IP addresses support for a hosted MS Windows 2008 R2 VPS In-Reply-To: <1381152074.341321670@f73.i.mail.ru> Message-ID: <887431020.24599066.1381177697730.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi Shamail: I do not know myself but will pass this on to a friend who hosts multiple sites on his Windows Server R2 VPS. I am only using VirtualBox on my Windows Server R2 server. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Monday, October 7, 2013 6:21:14 AM Subject: [dba-Tech] Setting multiple IP addresses support for a hosted MS Windows 2008 R2 VPS Hi All -- I have got a customer support to setup multiple IP addresses for their hosted MS Windows Server R2 VPS. I must note I have never done that before. Is it as simple as going: - Network Connections -> - Local Area Connection properties -> - Internet Protocol Version 4 -> - Properties -> - Use the following IP Address (primary) / Use the following DNS server addresses -> - Advanced -> - IP addresses -> - Add... ? FYI: Current settings use 'Obtain IP address automatically' option.? Thank you. -- ???????????? ?????? _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From peter.brawley at earthlink.net Mon Oct 7 16:12:37 2013 From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley) Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2013 16:12:37 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Are old guys out of touch? In-Reply-To: <380055510.24516722.1381172937262.JavaMail.root@cds002> References: <380055510.24516722.1381172937262.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: <525323C5.6020308@earthlink.net> On 2013-10-07 2:08 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Here is an interesting link sent by a friend. > > I thought the article was a little inspirations. > > http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2013/10/06/good-news-old-coots-dont-have-to-be-bigots/ That old fart is the opposite of out of touch, someone send him some flowers! PB > > Jim > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From mcp2004 at mail.ru Mon Oct 7 17:44:58 2013 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2013 02:44:58 +0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?Setting_multiple_IP_addresses_support_for_a_?= =?utf-8?q?hosted_MS_Windows_2008_R2_VPS?= In-Reply-To: <887431020.24599066.1381177697730.JavaMail.root@cds002> References: <1381152074.341321670@f73.i.mail.ru> <887431020.24599066.1381177697730.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: <1381185898.22015652@f271.i.mail.ru> TIA, Jim -- Hosting multiple sites with different IP addresses on one Windows Server 2008 R2 VPS is exactly what I have to configure. Actually I know how to set the web sites' IP binding on IIS - the missing part of the puzzle seems to be some additional MS WIndows system tuning for Network Connections. - Shamil Monday, October 7, 2013 2:28 PM -06:00 from Jim Lawrence : >Hi Shamail: > >I do not know myself but will pass this on to a friend who hosts multiple sites on his Windows Server R2 VPS. > >I am only using VirtualBox on my Windows Server R2 server. > >Jim > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" < mcp2004 at mail.ru > >To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" < dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com > >Sent: Monday, October 7, 2013 6:21:14 AM >Subject: [dba-Tech] Setting multiple IP addresses support for a hosted MS Windows 2008 R2 VPS > > >Hi All -- > >I have got a customer support to setup multiple IP addresses for their hosted MS Windows Server R2 VPS. I must note I have never done that before. Is it as simple as going: > >- Network Connections -> >- Local Area Connection properties -> >- Internet Protocol Version 4 -> >- Properties -> >- Use the following IP Address (primary) / Use the following DNS server addresses -> >- Advanced -> >- IP addresses -> >- Add... > >? > >FYI: Current settings use 'Obtain IP address automatically' option.? > >Thank you. > > >-- >???????????? ?????? >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- ???????????? ?????? From marklbreen at gmail.com Tue Oct 8 03:40:21 2013 From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen) Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2013 09:40:21 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Setting multiple IP addresses support for a hosted MS Windows 2008 R2 VPS In-Reply-To: <1381152074.341321670@f73.i.mail.ru> References: <1381152074.341321670@f73.i.mail.ru> Message-ID: Hello Shamil, yes, it is as simple as that You assign in static ip address, which I think is primary, and then assign a bunch of secondary ips. You can then bind each SSL site to each IP address. On 7 October 2013 14:21, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote: > > Hi All -- > > I have got a customer support to setup multiple IP addresses for their > hosted MS Windows Server R2 VPS. I must note I have never done that before. > Is it as simple as going: > > - Network Connections -> > - Local Area Connection properties -> > - Internet Protocol Version 4 -> > - Properties -> > - Use the following IP Address (primary) / Use the following DNS server > addresses -> > - Advanced -> > - IP addresses -> > - Add... > > ? > > FYI: Current settings use 'Obtain IP address automatically' option. > > Thank you. > > > -- > ???????????? ?????? > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From mcp2004 at mail.ru Tue Oct 8 05:59:08 2013 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2013 14:59:08 +0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?Setting_multiple_IP_addresses_support_for_a_?= =?utf-8?q?hosted_MS_Windows_2008_R2_VPS?= In-Reply-To: References: <1381152074.341321670@f73.i.mail.ru> Message-ID: <1381229948.593151629@f105.i.mail.ru> Hello Mark -- Thank you for your comment. As for Primary and Secondary DNS servers can I use public ones: http://pcsupport.about.com/od/tipstricks/a/free-public-dns-servers.htm ? And the IP of Default Gateway for that VPS I should be able to get using IPConfig /all command? Thank you. -- Shamil Tuesday, October 8, 2013 9:40 AM +01:00 from Mark Breen : >Hello Shamil, > >yes, it is as simple as that > >You assign in static ip address, which I think is primary, and then assign >a bunch of secondary ips. You can then bind each SSL site to each IP >address. > > > > >On 7 October 2013 14:21, Salakhetdinov Shamil < mcp2004 at mail.ru > wrote: > >> >> Hi All -- >> >> I have got a customer support to setup multiple IP addresses for their >> hosted MS Windows Server R2 VPS. I must note I have never done that before. >> Is it as simple as going: >> >> - Network Connections -> >> - Local Area Connection properties -> >> - Internet Protocol Version 4 -> >> - Properties -> >> - Use the following IP Address (primary) / Use the following DNS server >> addresses -> >> - Advanced -> >> - IP addresses -> >> - Add... >> >> ? >> >> FYI: Current settings use 'Obtain IP address automatically' option. >> >> Thank you. >> >> >> -- >> ???????????? ?????? >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- ???????????? ?????? From peter.brawley at earthlink.net Tue Oct 8 11:13:06 2013 From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley) Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2013 11:13:06 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] ultimate win 8 nightmare Message-ID: <52542F12.4060901@earthlink.net> Trying to fix a connection glitch on her Win 8 laptop, my wife followed connection troubleshooting to a "Refresh" option. That sounded good to her, so she did it. The result is a machine reset to factory settings. Six months' installations and data lost. She's not the only one: http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_8-system/can-i-undo-a-refresh-on-windows-8-i-have-no/1fa9d583-b73b-47a5-b2f2-3e6b6dbe1062 Anybody know a fix that works? PB From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Tue Oct 8 11:25:26 2013 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2013 02:25:26 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] ultimate win 8 nightmare In-Reply-To: <52542F12.4060901@earthlink.net> References: <52542F12.4060901@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <525431F6.16896.3BBF807E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Ouch! On 8 Oct 2013 at 11:13, Peter Brawley wrote: > Trying to fix a connection glitch on her Win 8 laptop, my wife followed > connection troubleshooting to a "Refresh" option. That sounded good to > her, so she did it. The result is a machine reset to factory settings. > Six months' installations and data lost. > > She's not the only one: > http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_8-system/can-i-undo-a-refresh-on-windows-8-i-have-no/1fa9d583-b73b-47a5-b2f2-3e6b6dbe1062 > > Anybody know a fix that works? > > PB > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From accessd at shaw.ca Tue Oct 8 12:33:56 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2013 11:33:56 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] ultimate win 8 nightmare In-Reply-To: <52542F12.4060901@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <663038100.25493164.1381253636818.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi Peter: Wow that is very scary. That is sort of like having a final solution button on your computer. A really great feature for the average user...not. Did something similar with my wife's emails. Did a full backup of the data but forgot about the configuration files...actually didn't think such a thing would happen...live and learn. When the application was restarted the configuration was automatically reset and all the links, saved addresses and visual setting were gone. Even after restoration, I will be in the dog house for a long while and this incident will never be forgotten. I hope you can at least restore somethings. Keep us posted and if I find out anything I will post it as well. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Brawley" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Tuesday, October 8, 2013 9:13:06 AM Subject: [dba-Tech] ultimate win 8 nightmare Trying to fix a connection glitch on her Win 8 laptop, my wife followed connection troubleshooting to a "Refresh" option. That sounded good to her, so she did it. The result is a machine reset to factory settings. Six months' installations and data lost. She's not the only one: http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_8-system/can-i-undo-a-refresh-on-windows-8-i-have-no/1fa9d583-b73b-47a5-b2f2-3e6b6dbe1062 Anybody know a fix that works? PB _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From peter.brawley at earthlink.net Tue Oct 8 13:54:49 2013 From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley) Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2013 13:54:49 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] ultimate win 8 nightmare In-Reply-To: <663038100.25493164.1381253636818.JavaMail.root@cds002> References: <663038100.25493164.1381253636818.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: <525454F9.9060804@earthlink.net> On 2013-10-08 12:33 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Hi Peter: > > Wow that is very scary. > > That is sort of like having a final solution button on your computer. A really great feature for the average user...not. Yes. Evidently there is no recovery from this. We start over. Fortunately her documents weren't trashed, but here we trip over yet another miracle of Microsoft design. Backups on our network go to a shared backup folder (available to Everyone) on a network box running win7. On her machine, though, Windows Explorer says that to copy such a folder "You'll need to provide administrator permission". In Win 8, Explorer does not offer administrative permissions, so the copy fails. Nice joke, Microsoft. Anybody know a workaround for that? I've has as much enjoyment of Microsoft as I can stand. As soon as we recover from this nightmare, I'm going to see how much of our day-to-day work can migrate to Linux. PB ----- > > Did something similar with my wife's emails. Did a full backup of the data but forgot about the configuration files...actually didn't think such a thing would happen...live and learn. When the application was restarted the configuration was automatically reset and all the links, saved addresses and visual setting were gone. > > Even after restoration, I will be in the dog house for a long while and this incident will never be forgotten. > > I hope you can at least restore somethings. Keep us posted and if I find out anything I will post it as well. > > Jim > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Peter Brawley" > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > Sent: Tuesday, October 8, 2013 9:13:06 AM > Subject: [dba-Tech] ultimate win 8 nightmare > > Trying to fix a connection glitch on her Win 8 laptop, my wife followed > connection troubleshooting to a "Refresh" option. That sounded good to > her, so she did it. The result is a machine reset to factory settings. > Six months' installations and data lost. > > She's not the only one: > http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_8-system/can-i-undo-a-refresh-on-windows-8-i-have-no/1fa9d583-b73b-47a5-b2f2-3e6b6dbe1062 > > Anybody know a fix that works? > > PB > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From accessd at shaw.ca Tue Oct 8 13:59:44 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2013 12:59:44 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] How to program in JavaScript In-Reply-To: <52542F12.4060901@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <98764878.25589250.1381258784403.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi All: Here is a link to a good over-view of JavaScript. JS is a programming language that can be written so many ways. The author is asking for donations and I think he has done a good enough job to be able to expect a contibution. https://leanpub.com/javascript-allonge/read Jim From accessd at shaw.ca Tue Oct 8 14:05:12 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2013 13:05:12 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] A simple smartphone app creator In-Reply-To: <52542F12.4060901@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <189654680.25596704.1381259112624.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi all: The following app is in it alpha stage but it looks like it may be a winner. From its first look, it does not produce any serious enterprise type phone apps but it can allow even the most computer challenged developer to create something useful for his friends, family or even his business. http://appmaker.mozillalabs.com/designer Here is a video describing the functionality the final application will have: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RaRIdLgZTPI Jim From accessd at shaw.ca Tue Oct 8 14:11:23 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2013 13:11:23 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] Visual Studio is maturing In-Reply-To: <52542F12.4060901@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <2100972946.25603817.1381259483328.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi All: It does seem that VS is now trying to become a universal web development platform. No longer are there proprietary resources or plug-ins needed to support development, in all major browsers, other than the current version of IE. It looks like Visual Studio finally ready for prime-time web development. http://madskristensen.net/post/vs2013-new-web-developer-features Jim From accessd at shaw.ca Tue Oct 8 14:53:36 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2013 13:53:36 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] ultimate win 8 nightmare In-Reply-To: <525454F9.9060804@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <235589088.25649154.1381262016869.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi Peter: At the risk of being boringly repetitive, I would set up a backup system, across your network using BitTorrent Sync. It is super-fast, runs on everything and, if setup properly, can take to pain out backups. Wish I could offer more but it appears that only someone in Microsoft or maybe someone who quit the company (and left a bomb in vengeance) can assist you at this moment. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Brawley" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Tuesday, October 8, 2013 11:54:49 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] ultimate win 8 nightmare On 2013-10-08 12:33 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Hi Peter: > > Wow that is very scary. > > That is sort of like having a final solution button on your computer. A really great feature for the average user...not. Yes. Evidently there is no recovery from this. We start over. Fortunately her documents weren't trashed, but here we trip over yet another miracle of Microsoft design. Backups on our network go to a shared backup folder (available to Everyone) on a network box running win7. On her machine, though, Windows Explorer says that to copy such a folder "You'll need to provide administrator permission". In Win 8, Explorer does not offer administrative permissions, so the copy fails. Nice joke, Microsoft. Anybody know a workaround for that? I've has as much enjoyment of Microsoft as I can stand. As soon as we recover from this nightmare, I'm going to see how much of our day-to-day work can migrate to Linux. PB ----- > > Did something similar with my wife's emails. Did a full backup of the data but forgot about the configuration files...actually didn't think such a thing would happen...live and learn. When the application was restarted the configuration was automatically reset and all the links, saved addresses and visual setting were gone. > > Even after restoration, I will be in the dog house for a long while and this incident will never be forgotten. > > I hope you can at least restore somethings. Keep us posted and if I find out anything I will post it as well. > > Jim > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Peter Brawley" > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > Sent: Tuesday, October 8, 2013 9:13:06 AM > Subject: [dba-Tech] ultimate win 8 nightmare > > Trying to fix a connection glitch on her Win 8 laptop, my wife followed > connection troubleshooting to a "Refresh" option. That sounded good to > her, so she did it. The result is a machine reset to factory settings. > Six months' installations and data lost. > > She's not the only one: > http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_8-system/can-i-undo-a-refresh-on-windows-8-i-have-no/1fa9d583-b73b-47a5-b2f2-3e6b6dbe1062 > > Anybody know a fix that works? > > PB > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From peter.brawley at earthlink.net Tue Oct 8 15:35:52 2013 From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley) Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2013 15:35:52 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] ultimate win 8 nightmare In-Reply-To: <235589088.25649154.1381262016869.JavaMail.root@cds002> References: <235589088.25649154.1381262016869.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: <52546CA8.1060902@earthlink.net> On 2013-10-08 2:53 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Hi Peter: > > At the risk of being boringly repetitive, I would set up a backup system, across your network using BitTorrent Sync. It is super-fast, runs on everything and, if setup properly, can take to pain out backups. That might help in the long run. Anybody know a way to copy from Win8 Users folder to a shared Win 7 netowok drive? PB ----- > > Wish I could offer more but it appears that only someone in Microsoft or maybe someone who quit the company (and left a bomb in vengeance) can assist you at this moment. > > Jim > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Peter Brawley" > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > Sent: Tuesday, October 8, 2013 11:54:49 AM > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] ultimate win 8 nightmare > > On 2013-10-08 12:33 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: >> Hi Peter: >> >> Wow that is very scary. >> >> That is sort of like having a final solution button on your computer. A really great feature for the average user...not. > Yes. Evidently there is no recovery from this. We start over. > > Fortunately her documents weren't trashed, but here we trip over yet > another miracle of Microsoft design. > > Backups on our network go to a shared backup folder (available to > Everyone) on a network box running win7. On her machine, though, Windows > Explorer says that to copy such a folder "You'll need to provide > administrator permission". In Win 8, Explorer does not offer > administrative permissions, so the copy fails. Nice joke, Microsoft. > > Anybody know a workaround for that? > > I've has as much enjoyment of Microsoft as I can stand. As soon as we > recover from this nightmare, I'm going to see how much of our day-to-day > work can migrate to Linux. > > PB > > ----- > >> Did something similar with my wife's emails. Did a full backup of the data but forgot about the configuration files...actually didn't think such a thing would happen...live and learn. When the application was restarted the configuration was automatically reset and all the links, saved addresses and visual setting were gone. >> >> Even after restoration, I will be in the dog house for a long while and this incident will never be forgotten. >> >> I hope you can at least restore somethings. Keep us posted and if I find out anything I will post it as well. >> >> Jim >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Peter Brawley" >> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" >> Sent: Tuesday, October 8, 2013 9:13:06 AM >> Subject: [dba-Tech] ultimate win 8 nightmare >> >> Trying to fix a connection glitch on her Win 8 laptop, my wife followed >> connection troubleshooting to a "Refresh" option. That sounded good to >> her, so she did it. The result is a machine reset to factory settings. >> Six months' installations and data lost. >> >> She's not the only one: >> http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_8-system/can-i-undo-a-refresh-on-windows-8-i-have-no/1fa9d583-b73b-47a5-b2f2-3e6b6dbe1062 >> >> Anybody know a fix that works? >> >> PB >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From accessd at shaw.ca Tue Oct 8 15:59:22 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2013 14:59:22 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] JavaScript programming on a budget In-Reply-To: <98764878.25589250.1381258784403.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: <1963090148.25719668.1381265962680.JavaMail.root@cds002> Here is a OS JavaScript IDE for developers. Not only does it have full extended features, it can program in real time. It is also available on all major platforms. http://worldofgnome.org/light-table-the-316720-kickass-ide/ Jim From accessd at shaw.ca Tue Oct 8 16:01:25 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2013 15:01:25 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] A great C++ library In-Reply-To: <98764878.25589250.1381258784403.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: <1978287303.25721782.1381266085095.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi All: For those of you who still use or have just started using C++ here is a very nice library of OS functions and classes. http://www.juce.com/ Jim From accessd at shaw.ca Tue Oct 8 16:09:01 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2013 15:09:01 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] Hardware hackers In-Reply-To: <98764878.25589250.1381258784403.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: <1062857905.25729983.1381266541106.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi All: For any of you who dabble of build in hardware here is an excellent new product that will assist you in assembling hardware components. The S4A IDE runs on most platforms. It runs on Debian Linux, Windows and Macs and has a special Android interface which will allow you to control your inventions via your Smartphone. (This product is probably excellent for developing Robot controllers and hardware.) http://s4a.cat/ See what a group of Spanish students can put together while attending university. Jim From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Tue Oct 8 16:09:05 2013 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2013 07:09:05 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] ultimate win 8 nightmare In-Reply-To: <52546CA8.1060902@earthlink.net> References: <235589088.25649154.1381262016869.JavaMail.root@cds002>, <52546CA8.1060902@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <52547471.30331.3CC3314B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Check out ShadowCopy: http://www.runtime.org/shadow-copy.htm On 8 Oct 2013 at 15:35, Peter Brawley wrote: > On 2013-10-08 2:53 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Hi Peter: > > At the risk of > being boringly repetitive, I would set up a backup system, across your > network using BitTorrent Sync. It is super-fast, runs on everything > and, if setup properly, can take to pain out backups. > > That might help in the long run. > > Anybody know a way to copy from Win8 Users folder to a shared Win 7 > netowok drive? > > PB > > ----- > > > > > Wish I could offer more but it appears that only someone in Microsoft or maybe someone who quit the company (and left a bomb in vengeance) can assist you at this moment. > > > > Jim > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Peter Brawley" > > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > Sent: Tuesday, October 8, 2013 11:54:49 AM > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] ultimate win 8 nightmare > > > > On 2013-10-08 12:33 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > >> Hi Peter: > >> > >> Wow that is very scary. > >> > >> That is sort of like having a final solution button on your computer. A really great feature for the average user...not. > > Yes. Evidently there is no recovery from this. We start over. > > > > Fortunately her documents weren't trashed, but here we trip over yet > > another miracle of Microsoft design. > > > > Backups on our network go to a shared backup folder (available to > > Everyone) on a network box running win7. On her machine, though, Windows > > Explorer says that to copy such a folder "You'll need to provide > > administrator permission". In Win 8, Explorer does not offer > > administrative permissions, so the copy fails. Nice joke, Microsoft. > > > > Anybody know a workaround for that? > > > > I've has as much enjoyment of Microsoft as I can stand. As soon as we > > recover from this nightmare, I'm going to see how much of our day-to-day > > work can migrate to Linux. > > > > PB > > > > ----- > > > >> Did something similar with my wife's emails. Did a full backup of the data but forgot about the configuration files...actually didn't think such a thing would happen...live and learn. When the application was restarted the configuration was automatically reset and all the links, saved addresses and visual setting were gone. > >> > >> Even after restoration, I will be in the dog house for a long while and this incident will never be forgotten. > >> > >> I hope you can at least restore somethings. Keep us posted and if I find out anything I will post it as well. > >> > >> Jim > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Peter Brawley" > >> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > >> Sent: Tuesday, October 8, 2013 9:13:06 AM > >> Subject: [dba-Tech] ultimate win 8 nightmare > >> > >> Trying to fix a connection glitch on her Win 8 laptop, my wife followed > >> connection troubleshooting to a "Refresh" option. That sounded good to > >> her, so she did it. The result is a machine reset to factory settings. > >> Six months' installations and data lost. > >> > >> She's not the only one: > >> http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_8-system/can-i-undo-a-refresh-on-windows-8-i-have-no/1fa9d583-b73b-47a5-b2f2-3e6b6dbe1062 > >> > >> Anybody know a fix that works? > >> > >> PB > >> _______________________________________________ > >> dba-Tech mailing list > >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > >> _______________________________________________ > >> dba-Tech mailing list > >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From accessd at shaw.ca Tue Oct 8 16:32:48 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2013 15:32:48 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] ultimate win 8 nightmare In-Reply-To: <52547471.30331.3CC3314B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <311845563.25754233.1381267968676.JavaMail.root@cds002> Another excellent choice. You just have to script your own automation. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stuart McLachlan" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Tuesday, October 8, 2013 2:09:05 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] ultimate win 8 nightmare Check out ShadowCopy: http://www.runtime.org/shadow-copy.htm On 8 Oct 2013 at 15:35, Peter Brawley wrote: > On 2013-10-08 2:53 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Hi Peter: > > At the risk of > being boringly repetitive, I would set up a backup system, across your > network using BitTorrent Sync. It is super-fast, runs on everything > and, if setup properly, can take to pain out backups. > > That might help in the long run. > > Anybody know a way to copy from Win8 Users folder to a shared Win 7 > netowok drive? > > PB > > ----- > > > > > Wish I could offer more but it appears that only someone in Microsoft or maybe someone who quit the company (and left a bomb in vengeance) can assist you at this moment. > > > > Jim > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Peter Brawley" > > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > Sent: Tuesday, October 8, 2013 11:54:49 AM > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] ultimate win 8 nightmare > > > > On 2013-10-08 12:33 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > >> Hi Peter: > >> > >> Wow that is very scary. > >> > >> That is sort of like having a final solution button on your computer. A really great feature for the average user...not. > > Yes. Evidently there is no recovery from this. We start over. > > > > Fortunately her documents weren't trashed, but here we trip over yet > > another miracle of Microsoft design. > > > > Backups on our network go to a shared backup folder (available to > > Everyone) on a network box running win7. On her machine, though, Windows > > Explorer says that to copy such a folder "You'll need to provide > > administrator permission". In Win 8, Explorer does not offer > > administrative permissions, so the copy fails. Nice joke, Microsoft. > > > > Anybody know a workaround for that? > > > > I've has as much enjoyment of Microsoft as I can stand. As soon as we > > recover from this nightmare, I'm going to see how much of our day-to-day > > work can migrate to Linux. > > > > PB > > > > ----- > > > >> Did something similar with my wife's emails. Did a full backup of the data but forgot about the configuration files...actually didn't think such a thing would happen...live and learn. When the application was restarted the configuration was automatically reset and all the links, saved addresses and visual setting were gone. > >> > >> Even after restoration, I will be in the dog house for a long while and this incident will never be forgotten. > >> > >> I hope you can at least restore somethings. Keep us posted and if I find out anything I will post it as well. > >> > >> Jim > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Peter Brawley" > >> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > >> Sent: Tuesday, October 8, 2013 9:13:06 AM > >> Subject: [dba-Tech] ultimate win 8 nightmare > >> > >> Trying to fix a connection glitch on her Win 8 laptop, my wife followed > >> connection troubleshooting to a "Refresh" option. That sounded good to > >> her, so she did it. The result is a machine reset to factory settings. > >> Six months' installations and data lost. > >> > >> She's not the only one: > >> http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_8-system/can-i-undo-a-refresh-on-windows-8-i-have-no/1fa9d583-b73b-47a5-b2f2-3e6b6dbe1062 > >> > >> Anybody know a fix that works? > >> > >> PB > >> _______________________________________________ > >> dba-Tech mailing list > >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > >> _______________________________________________ > >> dba-Tech mailing list > >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From mcp2004 at mail.ru Wed Oct 9 01:20:16 2013 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2013 10:20:16 +0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?Setting_multiple_IP_addresses_support_for_a_?= =?utf-8?q?hosted_MS_Windows_2008_R2_VPS?= In-Reply-To: <1381229948.593151629@f105.i.mail.ru> References: <1381152074.341321670@f73.i.mail.ru> <1381229948.593151629@f105.i.mail.ru> Message-ID: <1381299616.111162289@f334.i.mail.ru> Hi All -- Issue solved. For IP protocol I have got set Primary IP and subnet mask, Primary and Secondary DNS servers as well as Default Gateway provided by hosting company. Then I have added secondary IPs. And for IIS web sites I used secondary IPs in bindings. Thank you. -- Shamil Tuesday, October 8, 2013 2:59 PM +04:00 from Salakhetdinov Shamil : >Hello Mark -- > >Thank you for your comment. > >As for Primary and Secondary DNS servers can I use public ones: > >http://pcsupport.about.com/od/tipstricks/a/free-public-dns-servers.htm > >? > >And the IP of Default Gateway for that VPS I should be able to get using IPConfig /all command? > >Thank you. > >-- Shamil > > >Tuesday, October 8, 2013 9:40 AM +01:00 from Mark Breen < marklbreen at gmail.com >: >>Hello Shamil, >> >>yes, it is as simple as that >> >>You assign in static ip address, which I think is primary, and then assign >>a bunch of secondary ips. You can then bind each SSL site to each IP >>address. >> >> >> >> >>On 7 October 2013 14:21, Salakhetdinov Shamil < mcp2004 at mail.ru > wrote: >> >>> >>> Hi All -- >>> >>> I have got a customer support to setup multiple IP addresses for their >>> hosted MS Windows Server R2 VPS. I must note I have never done that before. >>> Is it as simple as going: >>> >>> - Network Connections -> >>> - Local Area Connection properties -> >>> - Internet Protocol Version 4 -> >>> - Properties -> >>> - Use the following IP Address (primary) / Use the following DNS server >>> addresses -> >>> - Advanced -> >>> - IP addresses -> >>> - Add... >>> >>> ? >>> >>> FYI: Current settings use 'Obtain IP address automatically' option. >>> >>> Thank you. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> ???????????? ?????? From gustav at cactus.dk Wed Oct 9 02:29:17 2013 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2013 09:29:17 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] JavaScript programming on a budget Message-ID: <013401cec4c1$43a0ffc0$cae2ff40$@cactus.dk> Hi Jim Cool! /gustav -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Jim Lawrence Sendt: 8. oktober 2013 22:59 Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Emne: [dba-Tech] JavaScript programming on a budget Here is a OS JavaScript IDE for developers. Not only does it have full extended features, it can program in real time. It is also available on all major platforms. http://worldofgnome.org/light-table-the-316720-kickass-ide/ Jim From gustav at cactus.dk Wed Oct 9 03:06:34 2013 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2013 10:06:34 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] ultimate win 8 nightmare Message-ID: <013701cec4c6$78baa670$6a2ff350$@cactus.dk> Hi Peter Not nice. I haven't ever had this need so I'm not familiar with the behavior of the process, but I can see that the message screen is very "Windows 8 centric" and should be taken very literally: - Your files and personalization settings won't change. That probably excludes everything outside the Users folder. Thus, files elsewhere may be expected to be removed. Problem is the understanding of "yours" which clearly is different from that of a normal user. - Your PC settings will be changed back to their defaults. - Apps from Windows Store will be kept. - Apps you installed from discs or websites will be removed. This is quite clear but it is bad communication to put this important statement right after a positive statement without emphasis. - A list of removed apps will be saved on your desktop. Did you find such list? Not that it will help a lot but it will confirm the happenings. Refresh should be different from Reset, which is a factory reset, by leaving Users and Apps from Windows Store. You could try one of the tools for recovering files to unerase the data files. The "Apps you installed from discs or websites" I'm sure you will have to reinstall. /gustav -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Peter Brawley Sendt: 8. oktober 2013 18:13 Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Emne: [dba-Tech] ultimate win 8 nightmare Trying to fix a connection glitch on her Win 8 laptop, my wife followed connection troubleshooting to a "Refresh" option. That sounded good to her, so she did it. The result is a machine reset to factory settings. Six months' installations and data lost. She's not the only one: http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_8-system/can-i-undo -a-refresh-on-windows-8-i-have-no/1fa9d583-b73b-47a5-b2f2-3e6b6dbe1062 Anybody know a fix that works? PB From jon.tydda at lonza.com Wed Oct 9 03:32:09 2013 From: jon.tydda at lonza.com (Tydda Jon - Lonza Slough) Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2013 08:32:09 +0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] ultimate win 8 nightmare In-Reply-To: <013701cec4c6$78baa670$6a2ff350$@cactus.dk> References: <013701cec4c6$78baa670$6a2ff350$@cactus.dk> Message-ID: <94d860a54bbd41e0bd6ea35d94e80392@CHVEX12.lonzagroup.net> Maybe you need to enable System Restore? Then when it offers the option, the user will restore to the last point, rather than refresh? Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2013 9:07 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] ultimate win 8 nightmare Hi Peter Not nice. I haven't ever had this need so I'm not familiar with the behavior of the process, but I can see that the message screen is very "Windows 8 centric" and should be taken very literally: - Your files and personalization settings won't change. That probably excludes everything outside the Users folder. Thus, files elsewhere may be expected to be removed. Problem is the understanding of "yours" which clearly is different from that of a normal user. - Your PC settings will be changed back to their defaults. - Apps from Windows Store will be kept. - Apps you installed from discs or websites will be removed. This is quite clear but it is bad communication to put this important statement right after a positive statement without emphasis. - A list of removed apps will be saved on your desktop. Did you find such list? Not that it will help a lot but it will confirm the happenings. Refresh should be different from Reset, which is a factory reset, by leaving Users and Apps from Windows Store. You could try one of the tools for recovering files to unerase the data files. The "Apps you installed from discs or websites" I'm sure you will have to reinstall. /gustav -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Peter Brawley Sendt: 8. oktober 2013 18:13 Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Emne: [dba-Tech] ultimate win 8 nightmare Trying to fix a connection glitch on her Win 8 laptop, my wife followed connection troubleshooting to a "Refresh" option. That sounded good to her, so she did it. The result is a machine reset to factory settings. Six months' installations and data lost. She's not the only one: http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_8-system/can-i-undo -a-refresh-on-windows-8-i-have-no/1fa9d583-b73b-47a5-b2f2-3e6b6dbe1062 Anybody know a fix that works? PB _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com ________________________________ This communication and its attachments, if any, may contain confidential and privileged information the use of which by other persons or entities than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you receive this transmission in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete the material from your system. From hans.andersen at phulse.com Wed Oct 9 03:51:37 2013 From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen) Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2013 01:51:37 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] ultimate win 8 nightmare In-Reply-To: <94d860a54bbd41e0bd6ea35d94e80392@CHVEX12.lonzagroup.net> References: <013701cec4c6$78baa670$6a2ff350$@cactus.dk> <94d860a54bbd41e0bd6ea35d94e80392@CHVEX12.lonzagroup.net> Message-ID: <67CDEEE8-0027-42E7-81BE-C2D01121BD83@phulse.com> Times like this remind me that I'm glad I've got my butt covered by timemachine. Too bad there is no free equivalent on windows. Best regards, Hans-Christian Andersen > On 9 Oct 2013, at 01:32, Tydda Jon - Lonza Slough wrote: > > Maybe you need to enable System Restore? Then when it offers the option, the user will restore to the last point, rather than refresh? > > > Jon > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock > Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2013 9:07 AM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] ultimate win 8 nightmare > > Hi Peter > > Not nice. I haven't ever had this need so I'm not familiar with the behavior of the process, but I can see that the message screen is very "Windows 8 centric" and should be taken very literally: > > - Your files and personalization settings won't change. > That probably excludes everything outside the Users folder. Thus, files elsewhere may be expected to be removed. > Problem is the understanding of "yours" which clearly is different from that of a normal user. > - Your PC settings will be changed back to their defaults. > - Apps from Windows Store will be kept. > - Apps you installed from discs or websites will be removed. > This is quite clear but it is bad communication to put this important statement right after a positive statement without emphasis. > - A list of removed apps will be saved on your desktop. > Did you find such list? Not that it will help a lot but it will confirm the happenings. > > Refresh should be different from Reset, which is a factory reset, by leaving Users and Apps from Windows Store. > > You could try one of the tools for recovering files to unerase the data files. > The "Apps you installed from discs or websites" I'm sure you will have to reinstall. > > /gustav > > -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- > Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Peter Brawley > Sendt: 8. oktober 2013 18:13 > Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Emne: [dba-Tech] ultimate win 8 nightmare > > Trying to fix a connection glitch on her Win 8 laptop, my wife followed connection troubleshooting to a "Refresh" option. That sounded good to her, so she did it. The result is a machine reset to factory settings. > Six months' installations and data lost. > > She's not the only one: > http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_8-system/can-i-undo > -a-refresh-on-windows-8-i-have-no/1fa9d583-b73b-47a5-b2f2-3e6b6dbe1062 > > Anybody know a fix that works? > > PB > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > ________________________________ > This communication and its attachments, if any, may contain confidential and privileged information the use of which by other persons or entities than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you receive this transmission in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete the material from your system. > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From carbonnb at gmail.com Wed Oct 9 07:26:02 2013 From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell) Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2013 08:26:02 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] New Cloud Storage Site Message-ID: Hey, Just thought I'd pass this on.... There is a new cloud storage site on the block called Copy. You start with 15 GB, then for each referral you get an additional 5 GB, as does the person you referred. So if you're intereseted, here is my referral link, https://next-d.copy.com?r=tb3BhF or you can just goto copy.com. -- Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "What a great ride!" From fuller.artful at gmail.com Wed Oct 9 08:40:08 2013 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2013 09:40:08 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Importing CSV files into Excel Message-ID: I'm trying to import some CSV files into Excel 2007, but I can't remember how to tell Excel that the field names are on the first row of the text file. Can someone remind me where that is? TIA, -- Arthur From paul.hartland at googlemail.com Wed Oct 9 08:51:25 2013 From: paul.hartland at googlemail.com (Paul Hartland) Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2013 14:51:25 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Importing CSV files into Excel In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Ages since I have done that myself, as your clicking through the import wizard is there not a check box saying something like first row contains field names Paul On 9 October 2013 14:40, Arthur Fuller wrote: > I'm trying to import some CSV files into Excel 2007, but I can't remember > how to tell Excel that the field names are on the first row of the text > file. Can someone remind me where that is? > > TIA, > > -- > Arthur > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Paul Hartland paul.hartland at googlemail.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Wed Oct 9 09:25:01 2013 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2013 07:25:01 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Importing CSV files into Excel In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Doesn't it come up in the wizard? In 2003, which I still use, it's a check box in the second or third screen. R -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2013 6:40 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Importing CSV files into Excel I'm trying to import some CSV files into Excel 2007, but I can't remember how to tell Excel that the field names are on the first row of the text file. Can someone remind me where that is? TIA, -- Arthur _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From garykjos at gmail.com Wed Oct 9 09:34:05 2013 From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2013 09:34:05 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Importing CSV files into Excel In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Excel has field names? If you import it into Access you can assign field names from the first row, but in Excel the first row in the CSV file becomes the first row in the spreadsheet doesn't it? On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 8:40 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > I'm trying to import some CSV files into Excel 2007, but I can't remember > how to tell Excel that the field names are on the first row of the text > file. Can someone remind me where that is? > > TIA, > > -- > Arthur > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com From garykjos at gmail.com Wed Oct 9 09:34:46 2013 From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2013 09:34:46 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Importing CSV files into Excel In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: In Access not Excel. On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 9:25 AM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > Doesn't it come up in the wizard? In 2003, which I still use, it's a check > box in the second or third screen. > > R > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller > Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2013 6:40 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: [dba-Tech] Importing CSV files into Excel > > I'm trying to import some CSV files into Excel 2007, but I can't remember > how to tell Excel that the field names are on the first row of the text > file. Can someone remind me where that is? > > TIA, > > -- > Arthur > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Wed Oct 9 09:36:26 2013 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2013 07:36:26 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Importing CSV files into Excel In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Oops, Reading too fast. What happens if you just import the CSV file - doesn't the field names show up in the first row? R -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2013 7:35 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Importing CSV files into Excel In Access not Excel. On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 9:25 AM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > Doesn't it come up in the wizard? In 2003, which I still use, it's a > check box in the second or third screen. > > R > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur > Fuller > Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2013 6:40 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: [dba-Tech] Importing CSV files into Excel > > I'm trying to import some CSV files into Excel 2007, but I can't > remember how to tell Excel that the field names are on the first row > of the text file. Can someone remind me where that is? > > TIA, > > -- > Arthur > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Wed Oct 9 11:13:08 2013 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2013 12:13:08 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Importing CSV files into Excel In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Don't worry about it, folks. I realized that it was not only simpler to import into Access, and also that that gave me a lot more control over column types etc. So, problem solved, and way more elegantly. Arthur On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 10:36 AM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > Oops, Reading too fast. > > What happens if you just import the CSV file - doesn't the field names show > up in the first row? > > R > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos > Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2013 7:35 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Importing CSV files into Excel > > In Access not Excel. > > > On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 9:25 AM, Rocky Smolin > wrote: > > > Doesn't it come up in the wizard? In 2003, which I still use, it's a > > check box in the second or third screen. > > > > R > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur > > Fuller > > Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2013 6:40 AM > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > Subject: [dba-Tech] Importing CSV files into Excel > > > > I'm trying to import some CSV files into Excel 2007, but I can't > > remember how to tell Excel that the field names are on the first row > > of the text file. Can someone remind me where that is? > > > > TIA, > > > > -- > > Arthur > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > -- > Gary Kjos > garykjos at gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Arthur From accessd at shaw.ca Wed Oct 9 11:21:58 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2013 10:21:58 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] New Cloud Storage Site In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <636713203.26464953.1381335718581.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi Bryan: That sounds excellent. I will look into it. Do you want me to mention your name? ;-) Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bryan Carbonnell" To: "Off Topic" , "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Wednesday, October 9, 2013 5:26:02 AM Subject: [dba-Tech] New Cloud Storage Site Hey, Just thought I'd pass this on.... There is a new cloud storage site on the block called Copy. You start with 15 GB, then for each referral you get an additional 5 GB, as does the person you referred. So if you're intereseted, here is my referral link, https://next-d.copy.com?r=tb3BhF or you can just goto copy.com. -- Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "What a great ride!" _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Wed Oct 9 12:59:46 2013 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2013 13:59:46 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] ultimate win 8 nightmare In-Reply-To: <67CDEEE8-0027-42E7-81BE-C2D01121BD83@phulse.com> References: <013701cec4c6$78baa670$6a2ff350$@cactus.dk> <94d860a54bbd41e0bd6ea35d94e80392@CHVEX12.lonzagroup.net> <67CDEEE8-0027-42E7-81BE-C2D01121BD83@phulse.com> Message-ID: Peter, If you have an external drive, you could try attaching it directly to the box that contains the Windows 8 stuff and copy that to the external, then move the external to the box that contains the Windows 7 stuff and copy the data to that directory. Just a WAG. As to moving to Linux on a permanent basis, I have found that on my laptop with 8GB RAM, VirtualBox runs just fine, so I have a Windows 7 VM there. I haven't set up a Windows 8 VM yet, and no immediate need for one, but I may do so at some point, just to feed my inner masochist. Arthur From carbonnb at gmail.com Wed Oct 9 13:47:11 2013 From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell) Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2013 14:47:11 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] New Cloud Storage Site In-Reply-To: <636713203.26464953.1381335718581.JavaMail.root@cds002> References: <636713203.26464953.1381335718581.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: Mention away. That and following the link will get you 5 extra GB :) On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 12:21 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Hi Bryan: > > That sounds excellent. I will look into it. > > Do you want me to mention your name? ;-) > > Jim > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bryan Carbonnell" > To: "Off Topic" , "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > Sent: Wednesday, October 9, 2013 5:26:02 AM > Subject: [dba-Tech] New Cloud Storage Site > > Hey, > > Just thought I'd pass this on.... > > There is a new cloud storage site on the block called Copy. You start > with 15 GB, then for each referral you get an additional 5 GB, as does > the person you referred. > > So if you're intereseted, here is my referral link, > https://next-d.copy.com?r=tb3BhF or you can just goto copy.com. > > -- > Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com > Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well > preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, > shouting "What a great ride!" > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "What a great ride!" From carbonnb at gmail.com Wed Oct 9 13:48:10 2013 From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell) Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2013 14:48:10 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] New Cloud Storage Site In-Reply-To: References: <636713203.26464953.1381335718581.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: I've already used it several times today to move files back and forth between my Mac and PC On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 2:47 PM, Bryan Carbonnell wrote: > Mention away. That and following the link will get you 5 extra GB :) > > On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 12:21 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: >> Hi Bryan: >> >> That sounds excellent. I will look into it. >> >> Do you want me to mention your name? ;-) >> >> Jim >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Bryan Carbonnell" >> To: "Off Topic" , "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" >> Sent: Wednesday, October 9, 2013 5:26:02 AM >> Subject: [dba-Tech] New Cloud Storage Site >> >> Hey, >> >> Just thought I'd pass this on.... >> >> There is a new cloud storage site on the block called Copy. You start >> with 15 GB, then for each referral you get an additional 5 GB, as does >> the person you referred. >> >> So if you're intereseted, here is my referral link, >> https://next-d.copy.com?r=tb3BhF or you can just goto copy.com. >> >> -- >> Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com >> Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well >> preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, >> shouting "What a great ride!" >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > -- > Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com > Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well > preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, > shouting "What a great ride!" -- Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "What a great ride!" From peter.brawley at earthlink.net Wed Oct 9 14:00:47 2013 From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley) Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2013 14:00:47 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] ultimate win 8 nightmare In-Reply-To: References: <013701cec4c6$78baa670$6a2ff350$@cactus.dk> <94d860a54bbd41e0bd6ea35d94e80392@CHVEX12.lonzagroup.net> <67CDEEE8-0027-42E7-81BE-C2D01121BD83@phulse.com> Message-ID: <5255A7DF.8010604@earthlink.net> On 2013-10-09 12:59 PM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > Peter, > > If you have an external drive, you could try attaching it directly to the > box that contains the Windows 8 stuff and copy that to the external, then > move the external to the box that contains the Windows 7 stuff and copy the > data to that directory. Just a WAG. Yeah, the workaround I found was to copy it to a tmp folder on the same drive, then to the Win7 server. Win8 evidently enforces a rule against copying user folders tp another machine, but not to other folders on the same machine and not from those folders to other machines. Utterly stoopid, like much else in Win8. I reckon our one Win8 installation has cost us about 12 wasted hours in three months. What a piece of crap. > As to moving to Linux on a permanent basis, I have found that on my laptop > with 8GB RAM, VirtualBox runs just fine, so I have a Windows 7 VM there. I > haven't set up a Windows 8 VM yet, and no immediate need for one, but I may > do so at some point, just to feed my inner masochist. Right, something like that is in my future too. PB ----- > > Arthur > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Wed Oct 9 18:44:03 2013 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2013 16:44:03 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Display Problem Message-ID: <3CEE46D14BF44436BE74658A4E13C8D8@HAL9007> Dear Lists: After two years of flawless service the display on my Dell XPS 8300 went wonky over the weekend. Screens black. I have two monitors - one connected via HDMI, one DVI. I reconnected one with VGA and was able to get one display working - though ugly. So I went to Frys and got an MSI board, and spent two days with MSI tech support trying to get it to work (BTW - they're next to useless). Finally decided to take it back and I put the old video board in the comp and fired it up and lo and behold it's working - almost. The problem is the same one I had with the MSI when we finally got the point where I had dual monitors working again - I don't get all the colors on some apps. Desktop shows all colors. Access app shows no colors except objects that are embedded graphics. Text is in black in spite of the forecolor set in the properties sheet. My colorful CPU usage monitor which shows all eight cores in a different color - no colors on the bar graph, but the line graph at the bottom does show colors. Outlook is missing some colors. Most web pages do not display correctly. The video is AMD Radeon HD 6450. I don't think it is the problem since I had the same problem with the colors with the MSI video card. And windows determined that the driver is up to date. As are the drivers for the displays. I tried to do a system restore but the last one in the list is from October 6 and it will not restore - has some kind of error. I am at a loss as to what to do. I do have a set of restore disks I made when I got the box but I'd like to avoid the nuclear option and save the two days it would take to get everything back on line. I do have backups of everything important (Ghosted the system a couple of days ago). I am open to all suggestions. MMTIA, Rocky From accessd at shaw.ca Wed Oct 9 18:58:34 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2013 17:58:34 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] New Cloud Storage Site In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <158605841.26959582.1381363114006.JavaMail.root@cds002> :-) Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bryan Carbonnell" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Wednesday, October 9, 2013 11:47:11 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] New Cloud Storage Site Mention away. That and following the link will get you 5 extra GB :) On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 12:21 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Hi Bryan: > > That sounds excellent. I will look into it. > > Do you want me to mention your name? ;-) > > Jim > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bryan Carbonnell" > To: "Off Topic" , "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > Sent: Wednesday, October 9, 2013 5:26:02 AM > Subject: [dba-Tech] New Cloud Storage Site > > Hey, > > Just thought I'd pass this on.... > > There is a new cloud storage site on the block called Copy. You start > with 15 GB, then for each referral you get an additional 5 GB, as does > the person you referred. > > So if you're intereseted, here is my referral link, > https://next-d.copy.com?r=tb3BhF or you can just goto copy.com. > > -- > Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com > Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well > preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, > shouting "What a great ride!" > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "What a great ride!" _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Thu Oct 10 07:00:16 2013 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2013 08:00:16 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] ultimate win 8 nightmare In-Reply-To: <5255A7DF.8010604@earthlink.net> References: <013701cec4c6$78baa670$6a2ff350$@cactus.dk> <94d860a54bbd41e0bd6ea35d94e80392@CHVEX12.lonzagroup.net> <67CDEEE8-0027-42E7-81BE-C2D01121BD83@phulse.com> <5255A7DF.8010604@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Just about the only reason that I still have any instances of Windows is for development in Access and/or SQL Server. Pretty much everything else that I do, such as writing documents, email, play music, burn DVDs, etc., I can do just as well or better in Linux. One sad shortcoming of LibreOffice and OpenOffice is that they don't support or provide anything equivalent to VBA (the coding language built into virtually all the MS Office products). That lack prevents migration of lots and lots of stuff that I've written. For example, grab a resultset from SQL, pump it into Excel for its charting capabilities, plonk the chart into a Word document, save the Word document as a PDF and invoke the user's email client, filling in the "To" and "Subject" stuff from data and attaching the PDF -- and all this happens as a result of a button-click in an Access app. That kind of power is sorely missed in the Linux Office apps. However, I can still get there in a VM running inside Linux. But I wish that I could cut this last tie to MS, and then say goodbye once and for all. A. From accessd at shaw.ca Thu Oct 10 10:59:54 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2013 09:59:54 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] JavaScript Frameworks In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <521194153.27522471.1381420794068.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi All: For a you who are now developing with web based intra or internet sites here is a link to a good overview of the various products available and their positioning within the language. You will notice that AngularJS is considered both a framework and a library unlike the library JQuery. Aside: The growth of these environments has been incredible and they far exceed all other products in the market today. What was no possible a few months ago is now a new standard. The article is an overview of the various JS frameworks. No FW is considered better than another but rather each fills a specific development niche and a purpose. http://www.infoworld.com/print/228335 Jim From accessd at shaw.ca Thu Oct 10 11:34:52 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2013 10:34:52 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] ultimate win 8 nightmare In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1621358088.27573091.1381422892582.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi Arthur: It seems that the development world is moving away from desktop applications and that is the environment on which I also cut my teeth. It is now a web based world. To that end I have been working on a full web invoicing form. All other forms of any POS systems are relatively minor in comparison. It will take a while as conflicts abound. Note: Oracle has ceased all development in OpenOffice because the fork LibraOffice is now the new standard. This means OO is effectively dead, long live LO. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LibreOffice Note also: Various languages like Basic, Python and Java can be used in LibraOffice...but I know none of the details, yet. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arthur Fuller" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 5:00:16 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] ultimate win 8 nightmare Just about the only reason that I still have any instances of Windows is for development in Access and/or SQL Server. Pretty much everything else that I do, such as writing documents, email, play music, burn DVDs, etc., I can do just as well or better in Linux. One sad shortcoming of LibreOffice and OpenOffice is that they don't support or provide anything equivalent to VBA (the coding language built into virtually all the MS Office products). That lack prevents migration of lots and lots of stuff that I've written. For example, grab a resultset from SQL, pump it into Excel for its charting capabilities, plonk the chart into a Word document, save the Word document as a PDF and invoke the user's email client, filling in the "To" and "Subject" stuff from data and attaching the PDF -- and all this happens as a result of a button-click in an Access app. That kind of power is sorely missed in the Linux Office apps. However, I can still get there in a VM running inside Linux. But I wish that I could cut this last tie to MS, and then say goodbye once and for all. A. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From peter.brawley at earthlink.net Thu Oct 10 11:50:59 2013 From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley) Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2013 11:50:59 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] ultimate win 8 nightmare In-Reply-To: <1621358088.27573091.1381422892582.JavaMail.root@cds002> References: <1621358088.27573091.1381422892582.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: <5256DAF3.9040303@earthlink.net> On 2013-10-10 11:34 AM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Hi Arthur: > > It seems that the development world is moving away from desktop applications and that is the environment on which I also cut my teeth. It is now a web based world. > > To that end I have been working on a full web invoicing form. All other forms of any POS systems are relatively minor in comparison. It will take a while as conflicts abound. > > Note: Oracle has ceased all development in OpenOffice because the fork LibraOffice is now the new standard. This means OO is effectively dead, long live LO. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LibreOffice > > Note also: Various languages like Basic, Python and Java can be used in LibraOffice...but I know none of the details, yet. If you can write PHP or Perl for LO, why would you want to write Basic, yech? PB ----- > > Jim > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Arthur Fuller" > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 5:00:16 AM > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] ultimate win 8 nightmare > > Just about the only reason that I still have any instances of Windows is > for development in Access and/or SQL Server. Pretty much everything else > that I do, such as writing documents, email, play music, burn DVDs, etc., I > can do just as well or better in Linux. > > One sad shortcoming of LibreOffice and OpenOffice is that they don't > support or provide anything equivalent to VBA (the coding language built > into virtually all the MS Office products). That lack prevents migration of > lots and lots of stuff that I've written. For example, grab a resultset > from SQL, pump it into Excel for its charting capabilities, plonk the chart > into a Word document, save the Word document as a PDF and invoke the user's > email client, filling in the "To" and "Subject" stuff from data and > attaching the PDF -- and all this happens as a result of a button-click in > an Access app. That kind of power is sorely missed in the Linux Office apps. > > However, I can still get there in a VM running inside Linux. But I wish > that I could cut this last tie to MS, and then say goodbye once and for > all. > > A. > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From accessd at shaw.ca Thu Oct 10 12:20:38 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2013 11:20:38 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] ultimate win 8 nightmare In-Reply-To: <5256DAF3.9040303@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <1914984216.27631393.1381425638272.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi Peter: Good point. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Brawley" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 9:50:59 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] ultimate win 8 nightmare On 2013-10-10 11:34 AM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Hi Arthur: > > It seems that the development world is moving away from desktop applications and that is the environment on which I also cut my teeth. It is now a web based world. > > To that end I have been working on a full web invoicing form. All other forms of any POS systems are relatively minor in comparison. It will take a while as conflicts abound. > > Note: Oracle has ceased all development in OpenOffice because the fork LibraOffice is now the new standard. This means OO is effectively dead, long live LO. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LibreOffice > > Note also: Various languages like Basic, Python and Java can be used in LibraOffice...but I know none of the details, yet. If you can write PHP or Perl for LO, why would you want to write Basic, yech? PB ----- > > Jim > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Arthur Fuller" > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 5:00:16 AM > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] ultimate win 8 nightmare > > Just about the only reason that I still have any instances of Windows is > for development in Access and/or SQL Server. Pretty much everything else > that I do, such as writing documents, email, play music, burn DVDs, etc., I > can do just as well or better in Linux. > > One sad shortcoming of LibreOffice and OpenOffice is that they don't > support or provide anything equivalent to VBA (the coding language built > into virtually all the MS Office products). That lack prevents migration of > lots and lots of stuff that I've written. For example, grab a resultset > from SQL, pump it into Excel for its charting capabilities, plonk the chart > into a Word document, save the Word document as a PDF and invoke the user's > email client, filling in the "To" and "Subject" stuff from data and > attaching the PDF -- and all this happens as a result of a button-click in > an Access app. That kind of power is sorely missed in the Linux Office apps. > > However, I can still get there in a VM running inside Linux. But I wish > that I could cut this last tie to MS, and then say goodbye once and for > all. > > A. > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Thu Oct 10 15:33:09 2013 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2013 06:33:09 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] ultimate win 8 nightmare In-Reply-To: <5256DAF3.9040303@earthlink.net> References: <1621358088.27573091.1381422892582.JavaMail.root@cds002>, <5256DAF3.9040303@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <52570F05.26485.46EF034F@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Because I use Basic for my database applications (VBA), Android Apps (Basic4Android) and Windows executables (PowerBASIC) and I am very productive in all of them. If I can wiite it in Basic, why would I want to write PHP or Perl? -- Stuart On 10 Oct 2013 at 11:50, Peter Brawley wrote: > On 2013-10-10 11:34 AM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > If you can write PHP or Perl for LO, why would you want to write Basic, > yech? > > PB > From peter.brawley at earthlink.net Thu Oct 10 17:08:28 2013 From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley) Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2013 17:08:28 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] ultimate win 8 nightmare In-Reply-To: <52570F05.26485.46EF034F@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <1621358088.27573091.1381422892582.JavaMail.root@cds002>, <5256DAF3.9040303@earthlink.net> <52570F05.26485.46EF034F@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <5257255C.1030604@earthlink.net> On 2013-10-10 3:33 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote: > Because I use Basic for my database applications (VBA), Android Apps (Basic4Android) and > Windows executables (PowerBASIC) and I am very productive in all of them. > > If I can wiite it in Basic, why would I want to write PHP or Perl? If it's your preferred language and you're happy with it, by all means. PB From accessd at shaw.ca Thu Oct 10 19:34:59 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2013 18:34:59 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] The French switch In-Reply-To: <521194153.27522471.1381420794068.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: <913744098.28091936.1381451699682.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi All: The French police switch 37,000 Windows PCs to Ubuntu Linux. I guess they didn't like Windows8. ;-) http://www.zdnet.com/french-police-move-from-windows-to-ubuntu-linux-7000021479/ Jim From jbartow at winhaven.net Thu Oct 10 22:46:16 2013 From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow) Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2013 22:46:16 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] The French switch In-Reply-To: <913744098.28091936.1381451699682.JavaMail.root@cds002> References: <521194153.27522471.1381420794068.JavaMail.root@cds002> <913744098.28091936.1381451699682.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: <01d601cec634$70d2b820$52782860$@winhaven.net> It's an American product, of course they don't like it. If Linux would have gotten their act together earlier they would have switched from any other form of Windows too :-) -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 7:35 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] The French switch Hi All: The French police switch 37,000 Windows PCs to Ubuntu Linux. I guess they didn't like Windows8. ;-) http://www.zdnet.com/french-police-move-from-windows-to-ubuntu-linux-7000021 479/ Jim _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Fri Oct 11 01:37:42 2013 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2013 02:37:42 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] The French switch In-Reply-To: <01d601cec634$70d2b820$52782860$@winhaven.net> References: <521194153.27522471.1381420794068.JavaMail.root@cds002> <913744098.28091936.1381451699682.JavaMail.root@cds002> <01d601cec634$70d2b820$52782860$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: In such a remarkedly brief post you have invited several reposts, from which I shall refrain because I can see a drifting laser-spot indicating a weapon being focused upon me, so I shall choose to finish th -- oh, oh, I'm bleeding LOL. On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 11:46 PM, John R Bartow wrote: > It's an American product, of course they don't like it. If Linux would have > gotten their act together earlier they would have switched from any other > form of Windows too :-) > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence > Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 7:35 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: [dba-Tech] The French switch > > Hi All: > > The French police switch 37,000 Windows PCs to Ubuntu Linux. I guess they > didn't like Windows8. ;-) > > > http://www.zdnet.com/french-police-move-from-windows-to-ubuntu-linux-7000021 > 479/ > > Jim > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Arthur From fuller.artful at gmail.com Fri Oct 11 02:22:34 2013 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2013 03:22:34 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] ultimate win 8 nightmare In-Reply-To: <5257255C.1030604@earthlink.net> References: <1621358088.27573091.1381422892582.JavaMail.root@cds002> <5256DAF3.9040303@earthlink.net> <52570F05.26485.46EF034F@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <5257255C.1030604@earthlink.net> Message-ID: You are both correct. At this point in my development cycle, my choice is JavaScript, but that is a side issue. Given enough RAM (8GB of at least DDR 2 shall suffice), then a foundation-install of one or another Linux seems the obvious way to go, and creating one or more VMs to deal with my remaining few clients who live in Windows, that's the way to go. DammitOl (I'm considering trademarking that as a universal panacea to be prescribed only to programmers with Obsessive-Compulsive-Language Disorder. The most apparent symptoms are an eager willingness to foresake paradigms that work in favour of some delicious new framework, wearing a mini-skirt and high heels, but I digress. This is a therapy session, so come on, boys and girls. Let us admit, together, as a group, that we share an awful addiction to Things That Are New. Let us hold hands and listen to each other's stories about how we fell into version-addiction. Hi, my name is Arthur, and I am a versionholic. It started with CP/M, and I smoked it a few times, and the sex was great, but before I knew it I was coaxed into DOS, and then once they got me hooked, I started thinking that Windows was the next Big Hit. I fell into the trap of thinking that nest glass of vodka woule prevent all my DLL nightmares. Pretty soon I started drinking the next version, and the next, and then they promised that the next drink would fix everything, and I fell for it. It cost me my house and my wife and I can only see my software children on weekends. I fell astray and I apologize to all previous clients. (Bring up the music and the choral singers.) Alack and Alas! (Echoes of Rickie Lee Jones and "Last Chance Texaco" -- oh God that music was so great) etc. On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 6:08 PM, Peter Brawley wrote: > > On 2013-10-10 3:33 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote: > >> Because I use Basic for my database applications (VBA), Android Apps >> (Basic4Android) and >> Windows executables (PowerBASIC) and I am very productive in all of them. >> >> If I can wiite it in Basic, why would I want to write PHP or Perl? >> > > If it's your preferred language and you're happy with it, by all means. > > > PB > ______________________________**_________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com > -- Arthur From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk Fri Oct 11 02:29:53 2013 From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid) Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2013 08:29:53 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] ultimate win 8 nightmare In-Reply-To: References: <1621358088.27573091.1381422892582.JavaMail.root@cds002> <5256DAF3.9040303@earthlink.net> <52570F05.26485.46EF034F@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <5257255C.1030604@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB082959C5AE1C570@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk> Arthur (Echoes of Rickie Lee Jones and "Last Chance Texaco" -- oh God that music was so great) Had to go look that up. That girl can sing. Have it blasting in the office now! Martin From gustav at cactus.dk Fri Oct 11 04:24:57 2013 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2013 11:24:57 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Versionholics (was: ultimate win 8 nightmare) Message-ID: <007c01cec663$c1bca230$4535e690$@cactus.dk> Hi Arthur > .. we share an awful addiction to Things That Are New I was about voting Yes but then I recalled all the Windows 8 banging and the wining from the Windows XP fanboys fighting for an OS from 2001(!). And how many here hold Access 2013 by their heart? Not to count the lovers of Access 97? /gustav -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Arthur Fuller Sendt: 11. oktober 2013 09:23 Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] ultimate win 8 nightmare You are both correct. At this point in my development cycle, my choice is JavaScript, but that is a side issue. Given enough RAM (8GB of at least DDR 2 shall suffice), then a foundation-install of one or another Linux seems the obvious way to go, and creating one or more VMs to deal with my remaining few clients who live in Windows, that's the way to go. DammitOl (I'm considering trademarking that as a universal panacea to be prescribed only to programmers with Obsessive-Compulsive-Language Disorder. The most apparent symptoms are an eager willingness to foresake paradigms that work in favour of some delicious new framework, wearing a mini-skirt and high heels, but I digress. This is a therapy session, so come on, boys and girls. Let us admit, together, as a group, that we share an awful addiction to Things That Are New. Let us hold hands and listen to each other's stories about how we fell into version-addiction. Hi, my name is Arthur, and I am a versionholic. It started with CP/M, and I smoked it a few times, and the sex was great, but before I knew it I was coaxed into DOS, and then once they got me hooked, I started thinking that Windows was the next Big Hit. I fell into the trap of thinking that nest glass of vodka woule prevent all my DLL nightmares. Pretty soon I started drinking the next version, and the next, and then they promised that the next drink would fix everything, and I fell for it. It cost me my house and my wife and I can only see my software children on weekends. I fell astray and I apologize to all previous clients. (Bring up the music and the choral singers.) Alack and Alas! (Echoes of Rickie Lee Jones and "Last Chance Texaco" -- oh God that music was so great) etc. From mcp2004 at mail.ru Fri Oct 11 04:47:24 2013 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2013 13:47:24 +0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?ultimate_win_8_nightmare?= References: <1621358088.27573091.1381422892582.JavaMail.root@cds002> <5257255C.1030604@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <1381484844.568108358@f145.i.mail.ru> Hi Arthur -- LOL. You're right but... <<>> ...believe me or not I personally have *never* been thinking that "Windows was the next big thing". IMO "the best ever" computer architecture were PDP and VAX, and the best ever OS was RSX-11M or VMS. I worked a lot with the former but when the local engineers managed to clone VAX it was too late - exUSSR get fallen and PCs came to crush VAX-es. So I know about the latter ?(VAX/VMS) mainly from computer books... As you know "t he history of UNIX starts back in 1969, when Ken Thompson, Dennis Ritchie and others started working on the "little-used PDP-7 in a corner" at Bell Labs and what was to become UNIX" ( http://www.unix.org/what_is_unix/history_timeline.html ). ?And it's no surprise - only such a technological beauty as PDP architecture and related technologies could become a driving-force foundation for a long living and progressing OS as Unix/Linux.? Anyway, I'm continuing my MS Windows application software development "odyssey" as it helps me to make my and my family living, and I currently do not have time for Unix/Linux. At least I've overcome "VBA/VB addiction" - C# as it's now is a pleasure to code with... I'd go "down to the roots" to C/C++ coding (and even some assembler for fun) if time allowed but I doubt I will ever have that opportunity in this life... Thank you. -- Shamil Friday, October 11, 2013 3:22 AM -04:00 from Arthur Fuller : >You are both correct. At this point in my development cycle, my choice is >JavaScript, but that is a side issue. Given enough RAM (8GB of at least DDR >2 shall suffice), then a foundation-install of one or another Linux seems >the obvious way to go, and creating one or more VMs to deal with my >remaining few clients who live in Windows, that's the way to go. > >DammitOl (I'm considering trademarking that as a universal panacea to be >prescribed only to programmers with Obsessive-Compulsive-Language Disorder. >The most apparent symptoms are an eager willingness to foresake paradigms >that work in favour of some delicious new framework, wearing a mini-skirt >and high heels, but I digress. > >This is a therapy session, so come on, boys and girls. Let us admit, >together, as a group, that we share an awful addiction to Things That Are >New. Let us hold hands and listen to each other's stories about how we fell >into version-addiction. > >Hi, my name is Arthur, and I am a versionholic. It started with CP/M, and I >smoked it a few times, and the sex was great, but before I knew it I was >coaxed into DOS, and then once they got me hooked, I started thinking that >Windows was the next Big Hit. I fell into the trap of thinking that nest >glass of vodka woule prevent all my DLL nightmares. Pretty soon I started >drinking the next version, and the next, and then they promised that the >next drink would fix everything, and I fell for it. It cost me my house and >my wife and I can only see my software children on weekends. I fell astray >and I apologize to all previous clients. (Bring up the music and the choral >singers.) > >Alack and Alas! > >(Echoes of Rickie Lee Jones and "Last Chance Texaco" -- oh God that music >was so great) > >etc. > > ><<< skipped >>> -- ???????????? ?????? From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Fri Oct 11 08:38:00 2013 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2013 06:38:00 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] ultimate win 8 nightmare In-Reply-To: References: <1621358088.27573091.1381422892582.JavaMail.root@cds002><5256DAF3.9040303@earthlink.net><52570F05.26485.46EF034F@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg><5257255C.1030604@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <1903D0169C8445589D81E723E126C93A@HAL9007> I've always been a big fan of obsolete technology...it works. R -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Friday, October 11, 2013 12:23 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] ultimate win 8 nightmare You are both correct. At this point in my development cycle, my choice is JavaScript, but that is a side issue. Given enough RAM (8GB of at least DDR 2 shall suffice), then a foundation-install of one or another Linux seems the obvious way to go, and creating one or more VMs to deal with my remaining few clients who live in Windows, that's the way to go. DammitOl (I'm considering trademarking that as a universal panacea to be prescribed only to programmers with Obsessive-Compulsive-Language Disorder. The most apparent symptoms are an eager willingness to foresake paradigms that work in favour of some delicious new framework, wearing a mini-skirt and high heels, but I digress. This is a therapy session, so come on, boys and girls. Let us admit, together, as a group, that we share an awful addiction to Things That Are New. Let us hold hands and listen to each other's stories about how we fell into version-addiction. Hi, my name is Arthur, and I am a versionholic. It started with CP/M, and I smoked it a few times, and the sex was great, but before I knew it I was coaxed into DOS, and then once they got me hooked, I started thinking that Windows was the next Big Hit. I fell into the trap of thinking that nest glass of vodka woule prevent all my DLL nightmares. Pretty soon I started drinking the next version, and the next, and then they promised that the next drink would fix everything, and I fell for it. It cost me my house and my wife and I can only see my software children on weekends. I fell astray and I apologize to all previous clients. (Bring up the music and the choral singers.) Alack and Alas! (Echoes of Rickie Lee Jones and "Last Chance Texaco" -- oh God that music was so great) etc. On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 6:08 PM, Peter Brawley wrote: > > On 2013-10-10 3:33 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote: > >> Because I use Basic for my database applications (VBA), Android Apps >> (Basic4Android) and >> Windows executables (PowerBASIC) and I am very productive in all of them. >> >> If I can wiite it in Basic, why would I want to write PHP or Perl? >> > > If it's your preferred language and you're happy with it, by all means. > > > PB > ______________________________**_________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/dba-tech eadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech> > Website: > http://www.databaseadvisors.**com > -- Arthur _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Fri Oct 11 11:57:21 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2013 10:57:21 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] Compromised In-Reply-To: <521194153.27522471.1381420794068.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: <954115754.28681846.1381510641985.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi All: Had an interesting discussion last night and one fellow that was in attendance was a tech from a company call Soroc (http://www.soroc.com). The companies client's are all the domestic banks. The latest revelation is that the NSA and soon every other hacker now has software that can compromise all Windows computers and there is no third party software that even detects it. This was told to him and his company at a security meeting in Toronto, last week. How accurate this is, I have no idea but it has the financial sector stirred up. The possible solutions discussed are completely blocked all PCs in the bank from external access, not allowing any computers in the bank that have not been vetted out of Toronto, so no BYOD and finally everyone switch to Linux. Nothing is finalized yet but the options are being weighed. (Note: I am sure this information was to be a little off the record but all those techs that in the business should be made aware of it.) Any thoughts? Jim From garykjos at gmail.com Fri Oct 11 12:29:35 2013 From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2013 12:29:35 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Compromised In-Reply-To: <954115754.28681846.1381510641985.JavaMail.root@cds002> References: <521194153.27522471.1381420794068.JavaMail.root@cds002> <954115754.28681846.1381510641985.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: Sure they do. And there is a big bad monster under the bed too. I'm thinking the banks don't actually run the bank stuff on a Windows environment. Windows machines probably are allowed to do somethings as terminals and such. I've not worked for a bank but know that On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 11:57 AM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Hi All: > > Had an interesting discussion last night and one fellow that was in > attendance was a tech from a company call Soroc (http://www.soroc.com). > The companies client's are all the domestic banks. > > The latest revelation is that the NSA and soon every other hacker now has > software that can compromise all Windows computers and there is no third > party software that even detects it. This was told to him and his company > at a security meeting in Toronto, last week. How accurate this is, I have > no idea but it has the financial sector stirred up. > > The possible solutions discussed are completely blocked all PCs in the > bank from external access, not allowing any computers in the bank that have > not been vetted out of Toronto, so no BYOD and finally everyone switch to > Linux. > > Nothing is finalized yet but the options are being weighed. (Note: I am > sure this information was to be a little off the record but all those techs > that in the business should be made aware of it.) > > Any thoughts? > > Jim > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk Fri Oct 11 13:25:26 2013 From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid) Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2013 19:25:26 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Compromised In-Reply-To: References: <521194153.27522471.1381420794068.JavaMail.root@cds002> <954115754.28681846.1381510641985.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: <91FBB779-0E15-4CC8-ACD7-3477B1CE0638@qub.ac.uk> If they are tapping the fibre what's it matter what the OS is. Basically if they want your data bad enough they get it. Simple. Martin Sent from my iPad > On 11 Oct 2013, at 10:30, "Gary Kjos" wrote: > > Sure they do. And there is a big bad monster under the bed too. I'm > thinking the banks don't actually run the bank stuff on a Windows > environment. Windows machines probably are allowed to do somethings as > terminals and such. I've not worked for a bank but know that > > >> On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 11:57 AM, Jim Lawrence wrote: >> >> Hi All: >> >> Had an interesting discussion last night and one fellow that was in >> attendance was a tech from a company call Soroc (http://www.soroc.com). >> The companies client's are all the domestic banks. >> >> The latest revelation is that the NSA and soon every other hacker now has >> software that can compromise all Windows computers and there is no third >> party software that even detects it. This was told to him and his company >> at a security meeting in Toronto, last week. How accurate this is, I have >> no idea but it has the financial sector stirred up. >> >> The possible solutions discussed are completely blocked all PCs in the >> bank from external access, not allowing any computers in the bank that have >> not been vetted out of Toronto, so no BYOD and finally everyone switch to >> Linux. >> >> Nothing is finalized yet but the options are being weighed. (Note: I am >> sure this information was to be a little off the record but all those techs >> that in the business should be made aware of it.) >> >> Any thoughts? >> >> Jim >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > -- > Gary Kjos > garykjos at gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Fri Oct 11 13:49:25 2013 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2013 11:49:25 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Compromised In-Reply-To: <954115754.28681846.1381510641985.JavaMail.root@cds002> References: <521194153.27522471.1381420794068.JavaMail.root@cds002> <954115754.28681846.1381510641985.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: I think a switch to Linux will keep the hackers at bay. For anywhere from a week to a year. But if you put a big enough carrot out there - like accounts with a couple billions dollars in them - I think they'll find a way. Windows is the target right now because that's where the money is. The weakness is not Windows. It's the nature of computers and the internet. And why should computers and the internet be any different from any other thing created by people to keep their stuff safe? Have we made a burglar proof house? Car? Bank? Structurally I see the vulnerability software and the internet proportional to it's utility. We can improve the locks on the house, but that will make going in and coming out less convenient. Just my two pfennig. R -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Friday, October 11, 2013 9:57 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Compromised Hi All: Had an interesting discussion last night and one fellow that was in attendance was a tech from a company call Soroc (http://www.soroc.com). The companies client's are all the domestic banks. The latest revelation is that the NSA and soon every other hacker now has software that can compromise all Windows computers and there is no third party software that even detects it. This was told to him and his company at a security meeting in Toronto, last week. How accurate this is, I have no idea but it has the financial sector stirred up. The possible solutions discussed are completely blocked all PCs in the bank from external access, not allowing any computers in the bank that have not been vetted out of Toronto, so no BYOD and finally everyone switch to Linux. Nothing is finalized yet but the options are being weighed. (Note: I am sure this information was to be a little off the record but all those techs that in the business should be made aware of it.) Any thoughts? Jim _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Fri Oct 11 15:18:00 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2013 14:18:00 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] ultimate win 8 nightmare In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1717889038.28895699.1381522680458.JavaMail.root@cds002> Love Rickie Lee Jones and "Last Chance Texaco"... a great album too. Checking out the latest tech is riding the wave. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arthur Fuller" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Friday, October 11, 2013 12:22:34 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] ultimate win 8 nightmare You are both correct. At this point in my development cycle, my choice is JavaScript, but that is a side issue. Given enough RAM (8GB of at least DDR 2 shall suffice), then a foundation-install of one or another Linux seems the obvious way to go, and creating one or more VMs to deal with my remaining few clients who live in Windows, that's the way to go. DammitOl (I'm considering trademarking that as a universal panacea to be prescribed only to programmers with Obsessive-Compulsive-Language Disorder. The most apparent symptoms are an eager willingness to foresake paradigms that work in favour of some delicious new framework, wearing a mini-skirt and high heels, but I digress. This is a therapy session, so come on, boys and girls. Let us admit, together, as a group, that we share an awful addiction to Things That Are New. Let us hold hands and listen to each other's stories about how we fell into version-addiction. Hi, my name is Arthur, and I am a versionholic. It started with CP/M, and I smoked it a few times, and the sex was great, but before I knew it I was coaxed into DOS, and then once they got me hooked, I started thinking that Windows was the next Big Hit. I fell into the trap of thinking that nest glass of vodka woule prevent all my DLL nightmares. Pretty soon I started drinking the next version, and the next, and then they promised that the next drink would fix everything, and I fell for it. It cost me my house and my wife and I can only see my software children on weekends. I fell astray and I apologize to all previous clients. (Bring up the music and the choral singers.) Alack and Alas! (Echoes of Rickie Lee Jones and "Last Chance Texaco" -- oh God that music was so great) etc. On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 6:08 PM, Peter Brawley wrote: > > On 2013-10-10 3:33 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote: > >> Because I use Basic for my database applications (VBA), Android Apps >> (Basic4Android) and >> Windows executables (PowerBASIC) and I am very productive in all of them. >> >> If I can wiite it in Basic, why would I want to write PHP or Perl? >> > > If it's your preferred language and you're happy with it, by all means. > > > PB > ______________________________**_________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com > -- Arthur _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Fri Oct 11 16:12:29 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2013 15:12:29 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] Compromised In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <2121157054.28949292.1381525949264.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi Gary: That is exactly right. The banks will now lock down everything. Before there was some modest liberties allowed to some senior mangers...not any more. It may seem a bit over the top to you but you don't work in a bank, security branch or in government policy and protection offices and so on. These people are far more paranoid than we are but they are protecting a lot more as well. Aside: Do you know that there are market places on the web where all sorts of exploits and hacks are sold to who ever can afford it. It is not illegal. Some Windows exploits can garner as much as 10K. So if someone like yourself discovered a previously unknown unblocked back-door to the latest windows box, you could make yourself a fortune...and many do. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Kjos" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Friday, October 11, 2013 10:29:35 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Compromised Sure they do. And there is a big bad monster under the bed too. I'm thinking the banks don't actually run the bank stuff on a Windows environment. Windows machines probably are allowed to do somethings as terminals and such. I've not worked for a bank but know that On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 11:57 AM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Hi All: > > Had an interesting discussion last night and one fellow that was in > attendance was a tech from a company call Soroc (http://www.soroc.com). > The companies client's are all the domestic banks. > > The latest revelation is that the NSA and soon every other hacker now has > software that can compromise all Windows computers and there is no third > party software that even detects it. This was told to him and his company > at a security meeting in Toronto, last week. How accurate this is, I have > no idea but it has the financial sector stirred up. > > The possible solutions discussed are completely blocked all PCs in the > bank from external access, not allowing any computers in the bank that have > not been vetted out of Toronto, so no BYOD and finally everyone switch to > Linux. > > Nothing is finalized yet but the options are being weighed. (Note: I am > sure this information was to be a little off the record but all those techs > that in the business should be made aware of it.) > > Any thoughts? > > Jim > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Fri Oct 11 16:17:59 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2013 15:17:59 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] Compromised In-Reply-To: <91FBB779-0E15-4CC8-ACD7-3477B1CE0638@qub.ac.uk> Message-ID: <681333684.28954901.1381526279159.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi Martin: With my personal crap who care...I say fill their boot but if I am responsible for someone else's personal data and there is a security and financial component to it, I can not be so flippant or fatalistic. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martin Reid" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Cc: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Friday, October 11, 2013 11:25:26 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Compromised If they are tapping the fibre what's it matter what the OS is. Basically if they want your data bad enough they get it. Simple. Martin Sent from my iPad > On 11 Oct 2013, at 10:30, "Gary Kjos" wrote: > > Sure they do. And there is a big bad monster under the bed too. I'm > thinking the banks don't actually run the bank stuff on a Windows > environment. Windows machines probably are allowed to do somethings as > terminals and such. I've not worked for a bank but know that > > >> On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 11:57 AM, Jim Lawrence wrote: >> >> Hi All: >> >> Had an interesting discussion last night and one fellow that was in >> attendance was a tech from a company call Soroc (http://www.soroc.com). >> The companies client's are all the domestic banks. >> >> The latest revelation is that the NSA and soon every other hacker now has >> software that can compromise all Windows computers and there is no third >> party software that even detects it. This was told to him and his company >> at a security meeting in Toronto, last week. How accurate this is, I have >> no idea but it has the financial sector stirred up. >> >> The possible solutions discussed are completely blocked all PCs in the >> bank from external access, not allowing any computers in the bank that have >> not been vetted out of Toronto, so no BYOD and finally everyone switch to >> Linux. >> >> Nothing is finalized yet but the options are being weighed. (Note: I am >> sure this information was to be a little off the record but all those techs >> that in the business should be made aware of it.) >> >> Any thoughts? >> >> Jim >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > -- > Gary Kjos > garykjos at gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Fri Oct 11 16:32:32 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2013 15:32:32 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] Compromised In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1582742884.28966667.1381527152065.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi Rocky: No system can not be hacked. Linux's only security is that it is a OSS which is being continually modified, everyone can see all the code and it can be fixed in hours after an exploit has been discovered. The main problem with windows is that it is so proprietary. No one except the designers and hackers know what actually goes on under the hood. As mentioned before there are a number of market places out on the web where the latest exploits are being bartered. Windows has hundreds of programmers working on the product every day but Linux has thousands, maybe tens of thousands. Whether this will make any difference in the long run, who knows but it seems that a lot of security fanatics are betting it does. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rocky Smolin" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Friday, October 11, 2013 11:49:25 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Compromised I think a switch to Linux will keep the hackers at bay. For anywhere from a week to a year. But if you put a big enough carrot out there - like accounts with a couple billions dollars in them - I think they'll find a way. Windows is the target right now because that's where the money is. The weakness is not Windows. It's the nature of computers and the internet. And why should computers and the internet be any different from any other thing created by people to keep their stuff safe? Have we made a burglar proof house? Car? Bank? Structurally I see the vulnerability software and the internet proportional to it's utility. We can improve the locks on the house, but that will make going in and coming out less convenient. Just my two pfennig. R -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Friday, October 11, 2013 9:57 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Compromised Hi All: Had an interesting discussion last night and one fellow that was in attendance was a tech from a company call Soroc (http://www.soroc.com). The companies client's are all the domestic banks. The latest revelation is that the NSA and soon every other hacker now has software that can compromise all Windows computers and there is no third party software that even detects it. This was told to him and his company at a security meeting in Toronto, last week. How accurate this is, I have no idea but it has the financial sector stirred up. The possible solutions discussed are completely blocked all PCs in the bank from external access, not allowing any computers in the bank that have not been vetted out of Toronto, so no BYOD and finally everyone switch to Linux. Nothing is finalized yet but the options are being weighed. (Note: I am sure this information was to be a little off the record but all those techs that in the business should be made aware of it.) Any thoughts? Jim _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Fri Oct 11 17:11:49 2013 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2013 08:11:49 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Compromised In-Reply-To: <1582742884.28966667.1381527152065.JavaMail.root@cds002> References: , <1582742884.28966667.1381527152065.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: <525877A5.14421.4C6FB2BC@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> No one INCLUDING the designers and hackers know what actually goes on under the hood in Windows. The system is so big and the code base is so complex that no single person could absorb it all. Some people know how the bits fit together, some other people know what sprecific bits do in detail, but that's it no one can really understand it all in detail. -- Stuart On 11 Oct 2013 at 15:32, Jim Lawrence wrote: > The main problem with windows is that it is so proprietary. No one > except the designers and hackers know what actually goes on under the > hood. As mentioned before there are a number of market places out on > the web where the latest exploits are being bartered. > From accessd at shaw.ca Fri Oct 11 22:16:05 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2013 21:16:05 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] The ASA website is a failure In-Reply-To: <521194153.27522471.1381420794068.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: <1008810571.29189641.1381547765224.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi All: If anybody has been trying to work with ASA site they understand the problem. The product looks real slick but why did they use a Windows BE? ;-) http://programming.oreilly.com/2013/10/what-developers-can-learn-from-healthcare-gov.html Jim From accessd at shaw.ca Fri Oct 11 22:22:08 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2013 21:22:08 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] Six hours of free .Net training In-Reply-To: <521194153.27522471.1381420794068.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: <1132749784.29191362.1381548128842.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi All: A Free 6 hour online course - Developing ASP.NET MVC 4 Web Applications Jump Start http://weblogs.asp.net/jgalloway/archive/2013/10/09/free-6-hour-online-course-developing-asp-net-mvc-4-web-applications-jump-start.aspx Jim From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Sat Oct 12 00:15:08 2013 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2013 15:15:08 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] The ASA website is a failure In-Reply-To: <1008810571.29189641.1381547765224.JavaMail.root@cds002> References: <521194153.27522471.1381420794068.JavaMail.root@cds002>, <1008810571.29189641.1381547765224.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: <5258DADC.25892.4DF3413D@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> So that they could apply what they learnt by studying "A Free 6 hour online course - Developing ASP.NET MVC 4 Web Applications Jump Start" ? :-) On 11 Oct 2013 at 21:16, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Hi All: > > If anybody has been trying to work with ASA site they understand the problem. > > The product looks real slick but why did they use a Windows BE? ;-) > > http://programming.oreilly.com/2013/10/what-developers-can-learn-from-healthcare-gov.html > > Jim > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From accessd at shaw.ca Sat Oct 12 10:38:03 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2013 09:38:03 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] The ASA website is a failure In-Reply-To: <5258DADC.25892.4DF3413D@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <1411461992.29438257.1381592283196.JavaMail.root@cds002> Exactly... Governments are the worse place for a developer as the managers (they guys that know nothing about programming) move so slow on advancing technologies. What ever tech was hot ten years ago is what the government currently uses. The old tech just can not handle the volume. Interesting aside: The NSA uses a 2003 server farm and a series of Perl scripts to hack other computers. Far be it from me to care what they use but that use of ancient technology has the smell of government management all over it. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stuart McLachlan" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Friday, October 11, 2013 10:15:08 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] The ASA website is a failure So that they could apply what they learnt by studying "A Free 6 hour online course - Developing ASP.NET MVC 4 Web Applications Jump Start" ? :-) On 11 Oct 2013 at 21:16, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Hi All: > > If anybody has been trying to work with ASA site they understand the problem. > > The product looks real slick but why did they use a Windows BE? ;-) > > http://programming.oreilly.com/2013/10/what-developers-can-learn-from-healthcare-gov.html > > Jim > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk Sat Oct 12 11:54:34 2013 From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid) Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2013 17:54:34 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] The ASA website is a failure In-Reply-To: <1411461992.29438257.1381592283196.JavaMail.root@cds002> References: <1411461992.29438257.1381592283196.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: <876C404E-7C69-4013-A8DB-8385C2148544@qub.ac.uk> Seems to work real well for them Martin Sent from my iPad > On 12 Oct 2013, at 16:38, "Jim Lawrence" wrote: > > Exactly... > > Governments are the worse place for a developer as the managers (they guys that know nothing about programming) move so slow on advancing technologies. What ever tech was hot ten years ago is what the government currently uses. The old tech just can not handle the volume. > > Interesting aside: The NSA uses a 2003 server farm and a series of Perl scripts to hack other computers. Far be it from me to care what they use but that use of ancient technology has the smell of government management all over it. > > Jim > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stuart McLachlan" > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > Sent: Friday, October 11, 2013 10:15:08 PM > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] The ASA website is a failure > > So that they could apply what they learnt by studying "A Free 6 hour online course - > Developing ASP.NET MVC 4 Web Applications Jump Start" ? > > :-) > >> On 11 Oct 2013 at 21:16, Jim Lawrence wrote: >> >> Hi All: >> >> If anybody has been trying to work with ASA site they understand the problem. >> >> The product looks real slick but why did they use a Windows BE? ;-) >> >> http://programming.oreilly.com/2013/10/what-developers-can-learn-from-healthcare-gov.html >> >> Jim >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Sat Oct 12 11:58:40 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2013 10:58:40 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] The ASA website is a failure In-Reply-To: <876C404E-7C69-4013-A8DB-8385C2148544@qub.ac.uk> Message-ID: <1268878651.29497657.1381597120901.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi Martin: Sad to say it does. But can not say I am displeased with the choice of old tech...who needs that group even more efficient? Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martin Reid" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Cc: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2013 9:54:34 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] The ASA website is a failure Seems to work real well for them Martin Sent from my iPad > On 12 Oct 2013, at 16:38, "Jim Lawrence" wrote: > > Exactly... > > Governments are the worse place for a developer as the managers (they guys that know nothing about programming) move so slow on advancing technologies. What ever tech was hot ten years ago is what the government currently uses. The old tech just can not handle the volume. > > Interesting aside: The NSA uses a 2003 server farm and a series of Perl scripts to hack other computers. Far be it from me to care what they use but that use of ancient technology has the smell of government management all over it. > > Jim > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stuart McLachlan" > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > Sent: Friday, October 11, 2013 10:15:08 PM > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] The ASA website is a failure > > So that they could apply what they learnt by studying "A Free 6 hour online course - > Developing ASP.NET MVC 4 Web Applications Jump Start" ? > > :-) > >> On 11 Oct 2013 at 21:16, Jim Lawrence wrote: >> >> Hi All: >> >> If anybody has been trying to work with ASA site they understand the problem. >> >> The product looks real slick but why did they use a Windows BE? ;-) >> >> http://programming.oreilly.com/2013/10/what-developers-can-learn-from-healthcare-gov.html >> >> Jim >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Sun Oct 13 12:23:53 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2013 11:23:53 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] A neat little toy In-Reply-To: <521194153.27522471.1381420794068.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: <879189920.30027742.1381685033881.JavaMail.root@cds002> Have your own assemblable water drone. This new startup is getting their company going...I would think it is a great toy for Christmas...too bad wifi doesn't work underwater. http://openrov.com/ I did not find info on how far down the craft can go though. Jim From eptept at gmail.com Sun Oct 13 12:39:50 2013 From: eptept at gmail.com (Ed Tesiny) Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2013 13:39:50 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] A neat little toy In-Reply-To: <879189920.30027742.1381685033881.JavaMail.root@cds002> References: <521194153.27522471.1381420794068.JavaMail.root@cds002> <879189920.30027742.1381685033881.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: Pretty amazing, thanks for the link. On Sun, Oct 13, 2013 at 1:23 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Have your own assemblable water drone. > > This new startup is getting their company going...I would think it is a > great toy for Christmas...too bad wifi doesn't work underwater. > > http://openrov.com/ > > I did not find info on how far down the craft can go though. > > Jim > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From accessd at shaw.ca Sun Oct 13 12:54:14 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2013 11:54:14 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] Super new software In-Reply-To: <521194153.27522471.1381420794068.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: <861899507.30044011.1381686854803.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi All: Some guys within Google has created some software that will allow anyone to stream, through their browser, to anyone, in single or multiple sessions. The software is fully Open Source and can be initiated within a browser with only a few JavaScript commands. Check it out at: http://www.webrtc.org/ The site has a full explanation on how to install it and setup your scripts: http://www.webrtc.org/demo There are all sorts of products that can used in-conjunction with this base to extend features like: http://webcamtoy.com/ https://peercdn.com/ It can be used to give remote support, stream graphics, training and even build your own Skype... Right out of the box it connects with Google BE server the manages the connections and then allows the product to do it own pier to pier transferring. If you do not want Google to do this management you can download and run your own Open Source server that runs on all major platforms. http://code.google.com/p/rfc5766-turn-server/ The server is very advanced as it manages all the connections and even manages the buffering in the event of slow or poor connections so all users should have a good experience. Even products like Opera, IE or Safari can use this product: http://code.google.com/p/webrtc4all/ My next web site project will be to include this feature but it is definitely a winter experiment...that I am very much looking forward to Jim From mcp2004 at mail.ru Mon Oct 14 01:20:10 2013 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 10:20:10 +0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?TeamViewer_Mobile_Device_Support?= Message-ID: <1381731610.397553043@f156.i.mail.ru> Hi All -- My son is looking for a tool to use his laptop to make screenshots from his Android device. Here is a tool, which seems to be "what doctor ordered": http://www.teamviewer.com/en/products/mobile-device-support.aspx Does anybody of you use it? AFAIS TeamViewer has a free edition and I'm not sure if "TeamViewer Mobile Device Support" has also a free version. Buying business edition for USD600+ is a bit expensive option for now. Yes, you can say that screenshots can be taken directly on Android devices but the issue is that that source Android device is not speedy enough or something like that ?and buying newer Android device is an open option here as a wish list of electronic gadgets to purchase is rather long :) Of course we can check how all that works by downloading from Android store etc. but my son is at school currently and if you have experience with subject tool then we can save some time here... Thank you. -- ???????????? ?????? P.S. BTW, TeamViewer site is running driven by IIS/ASP.NET AFAIS :)? From fuller.artful at gmail.com Mon Oct 14 03:01:23 2013 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 04:01:23 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] TeamViewer Mobile Device Support In-Reply-To: <1381731610.397553043@f156.i.mail.ru> References: <1381731610.397553043@f156.i.mail.ru> Message-ID: Shamil, I have used the free edition of TeamViewer and loved it, but I have no experience with the Android version. Maybe Peter Brawley does. On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 2:20 AM, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote: > Hi All -- > > My son is looking for a tool to use his laptop to make screenshots from > his Android device. Here is a tool, which seems to be "what doctor ordered": > > http://www.teamviewer.com/en/products/mobile-device-support.aspx > > Does anybody of you use it? > > AFAIS TeamViewer has a free edition and I'm not sure if "TeamViewer Mobile > Device Support" has also a free version. Buying business edition for > USD600+ is a bit expensive option for now. Yes, you can say that > screenshots can be taken directly on Android devices but the issue is that > that source Android device is not speedy enough or something like that and > buying newer Android device is an open option here as a wish list of > electronic gadgets to purchase is rather long :) > > Of course we can check how all that works by downloading from Android > store etc. but my son is at school currently and if you have experience > with subject tool then we can save some time here... > > Thank you. > > -- > ???????????? ?????? > > P.S. BTW, TeamViewer site is running driven by IIS/ASP.NET AFAIS :) > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Arthur From mcp2004 at mail.ru Mon Oct 14 09:06:36 2013 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 18:06:36 +0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?TeamViewer_Mobile_Device_Support?= In-Reply-To: References: <1381731610.397553043@f156.i.mail.ru> Message-ID: <1381759596.155470015@f189.i.mail.ru> Hi Arthur -- Thank you for your note. We have got installed TeamViewer on Win8 PC and on an Android tablet device (rather low end) with Tegra video card:? - when going from Android device to control a Win8 PC - it all works well but - when going from a Windows PC to control Android device it works unsatisfactory slow. Well, I must note that we used Wi-Fi connection. Anyway it's a great technology and as it will progress with time it should work well in both directions. -- Shamil Monday, October 14, 2013 4:01 AM -04:00 from Arthur Fuller : >Shamil, > >I have used the free edition of TeamViewer and loved it, but I have no >experience with the Android version. Maybe Peter Brawley does. > > >On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 2:20 AM, Salakhetdinov Shamil < mcp2004 at mail.ru >wrote: > >> Hi All -- >> >> My son is looking for a tool to use his laptop to make screenshots from >> his Android device. Here is a tool, which seems to be "what doctor ordered": >> >> http://www.teamviewer.com/en/products/mobile-device-support.aspx >> >> Does anybody of you use it? >> >> AFAIS TeamViewer has a free edition and I'm not sure if "TeamViewer Mobile >> Device Support" has also a free version. Buying business edition for >> USD600+ is a bit expensive option for now. Yes, you can say that >> screenshots can be taken directly on Android devices but the issue is that >> that source Android device is not speedy enough or something like that and >> buying newer Android device is an open option here as a wish list of >> electronic gadgets to purchase is rather long :) >> >> Of course we can check how all that works by downloading from Android >> store etc. but my son is at school currently and if you have experience >> with subject tool then we can save some time here... >> >> Thank you. >> >> -- >> ???????????? ?????? >> >> P.S. BTW, TeamViewer site is running driven by IIS/ASP.NET AFAIS :) > From jon.tydda at lonza.com Mon Oct 14 10:55:08 2013 From: jon.tydda at lonza.com (Tydda Jon - Lonza Slough) Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 15:55:08 +0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] D-Link routers compromised? Message-ID: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-24519307# Backdoor found in D-Link home routers An easy-to-exploit backdoor has been found in seven different models of domestic routers made by D-Link and Planex. The backdoor, if used, would let an attacker take complete control of a router or modem and spy on a home's browsing activity. D-Link has acknowledged the existence of the backdoor and said a fix would be available by the end of October. So far, the backdoor does not seem to have been exploited "in the wild". The backdoor was discovered by security researcher Craig Heffner, who reverse-engineered the software used to control a D-Link DIR-100 router. Deep analysis of the code revealed a string of letters that, if used in the right way, unlocked remote access to the gadget. Writing about his findings on his blog, Mr Heffner speculated that the password string was included to make it easier for D-Link to remotely update some of its products. The same string has been found to work on seven D-Link routers (DIR-100, DI-524, DI-524UP, DI-604S, DI-604UP, DI-604+ and the TM-G5240) and two from Planex (BRL-04UR and BRL-04CW). Many thousands of people are believed to have bought the routers before they were revealed to be vulnerable. In a statement, D-Link said it was working with Mr Heffner and other security researchers to find out more about the backdoor. And it was also conducting a review of its other products to see if it was present in other models. It added that it would soon produce a update for the software that keeps the routers running, known as firmware, that would close the backdoor. The company urged users to be vigilant and to disable remote access to their router if it was not needed. Planex has yet to issue a statement about its products. Jon ________________________________ This communication and its attachments, if any, may contain confidential and privileged information the use of which by other persons or entities than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you receive this transmission in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete the material from your system. From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Oct 14 12:54:15 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 11:54:15 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] TeamViewer Mobile Device Support In-Reply-To: <1381731610.397553043@f156.i.mail.ru> Message-ID: <529480580.30634535.1381773255115.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi Shamil: I have used Teamviewer from time to time as it is one of those remote desktop apps that runs on all platforms. If you can accept that the free version will continually nag you to upgrade it is OK. The best remote desktop app is supposed to be Splashtop...(but I have not used it myself). It is super fast and also runs on all platforms. For personal use it is free. As a similar product it has similar features: http://www.splashtop.com Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Sunday, October 13, 2013 11:20:10 PM Subject: [dba-Tech] TeamViewer Mobile Device Support Hi All -- My son is looking for a tool to use his laptop to make screenshots from his Android device. Here is a tool, which seems to be "what doctor ordered": http://www.teamviewer.com/en/products/mobile-device-support.aspx Does anybody of you use it? AFAIS TeamViewer has a free edition and I'm not sure if "TeamViewer Mobile Device Support" has also a free version. Buying business edition for USD600+ is a bit expensive option for now. Yes, you can say that screenshots can be taken directly on Android devices but the issue is that that source Android device is not speedy enough or something like that ?and buying newer Android device is an open option here as a wish list of electronic gadgets to purchase is rather long :) Of course we can check how all that works by downloading from Android store etc. but my son is at school currently and if you have experience with subject tool then we can save some time here... Thank you. -- ???????????? ?????? P.S. BTW, TeamViewer site is running driven by IIS/ASP.NET AFAIS :)? _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Oct 14 13:23:42 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 12:23:42 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] D-Link routers compromised? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1370376502.30654088.1381775022034.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi Jon: Thanks for the heads up. I checked mine and a list of client DLink routers and none were the mentions versions. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tydda Jon - Lonza Slough" To: "Dba-Tech (dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com)" Sent: Monday, October 14, 2013 8:55:08 AM Subject: [dba-Tech] D-Link routers compromised? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-24519307# Backdoor found in D-Link home routers An easy-to-exploit backdoor has been found in seven different models of domestic routers made by D-Link and Planex. The backdoor, if used, would let an attacker take complete control of a router or modem and spy on a home's browsing activity. D-Link has acknowledged the existence of the backdoor and said a fix would be available by the end of October. So far, the backdoor does not seem to have been exploited "in the wild". The backdoor was discovered by security researcher Craig Heffner, who reverse-engineered the software used to control a D-Link DIR-100 router. Deep analysis of the code revealed a string of letters that, if used in the right way, unlocked remote access to the gadget. Writing about his findings on his blog, Mr Heffner speculated that the password string was included to make it easier for D-Link to remotely update some of its products. The same string has been found to work on seven D-Link routers (DIR-100, DI-524, DI-524UP, DI-604S, DI-604UP, DI-604+ and the TM-G5240) and two from Planex (BRL-04UR and BRL-04CW). Many thousands of people are believed to have bought the routers before they were revealed to be vulnerable. In a statement, D-Link said it was working with Mr Heffner and other security researchers to find out more about the backdoor. And it was also conducting a review of its other products to see if it was present in other models. It added that it would soon produce a update for the software that keeps the routers running, known as firmware, that would close the backdoor. The company urged users to be vigilant and to disable remote access to their router if it was not needed. Planex has yet to issue a statement about its products. Jon ________________________________ This communication and its attachments, if any, may contain confidential and privileged information the use of which by other persons or entities than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you receive this transmission in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete the material from your system. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jbartow at winhaven.net Mon Oct 14 23:21:00 2013 From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow) Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 23:21:00 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] A whole lot of corrupted files Message-ID: <00a301cec95d$f470d5a0$dd5280e0$@winhaven.net> Hi all, I have a client that called late today and said they had a whole bunch of word files on their "server" (Windows 7 PC) that won't open because it says they're corrupted. I remoted in and verified this. They use Word 2007 but it seems almost all of their files are in .doc Word 97-03 format. That's a bit odd isn't it? After scanning with Vipre, MalwareBytes and Kaspersky's TDSSKiller, I found no infection on this machine. It appears to have striped set for hard drive but I won't be able to verify that until I go in. I haven't run across anything that specifically corrupts Word files. Any Ideas? TIA John From jbartow at winhaven.net Tue Oct 15 18:03:05 2013 From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow) Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 18:03:05 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] A whole lot of corrupted files In-Reply-To: <00a301cec95d$f470d5a0$dd5280e0$@winhaven.net> References: <00a301cec95d$f470d5a0$dd5280e0$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: <01ca01cec9fa$b582ac90$208805b0$@winhaven.net> Not just word files but pdf and excel files too. Going in to check the disk surface. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John R Bartow Sent: Monday, October 14, 2013 11:21 PM To: DBA-Tech Subject: [dba-Tech] A whole lot of corrupted files Hi all, I have a client that called late today and said they had a whole bunch of word files on their "server" (Windows 7 PC) that won't open because it says they're corrupted. I remoted in and verified this. They use Word 2007 but it seems almost all of their files are in .doc Word 97-03 format. That's a bit odd isn't it? After scanning with Vipre, MalwareBytes and Kaspersky's TDSSKiller, I found no infection on this machine. It appears to have striped set for hard drive but I won't be able to verify that until I go in. I haven't run across anything that specifically corrupts Word files. Any Ideas? TIA John _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From eptept at gmail.com Wed Oct 16 08:20:27 2013 From: eptept at gmail.com (Ed Tesiny) Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 09:20:27 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Google Chrome Message-ID: Question for you folks, I generally use Google Chrome in Incognito mode to access financial stuff. In addition to user id and password it would always ask me a security question, that doesn't happen as of a couple days. If I use IE the security question pops up. Anyone know where Chrome could be storing/hiding something that would prevent the security question from popping up. TIA From fuller.artful at gmail.com Wed Oct 16 10:57:02 2013 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 11:57:02 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 8 update to 8.1 Message-ID: I vaguely recall reading that the update is in a day or two, can't remember the precise date. My question is: will this happen automatically or must I do something specific to make this update happen? Anyone know? I just got my shiny laptop back from the Dell Repair Service and its failed hard disk has been replaced, and for the next couple of days I'll be busy installing all the software I count on. Before I embark on that path, I want to create a disk image of this virgin OS, and either burn it to DVD or copy it to External Drive Numero Uno, which has plenty of space. So any Win8 user who knows how to do this is invited to tell me how. All the tiles are confusing. And I can't remember how to do much of anything, but most important, I can't remember how to invoke the equivalent of Windows Explorer. Immediate responses are not required. I shall stumble along and discover little by little this new vision of Windows. I have some docs to read. But back to the original topic: allegedly there's a Win 8.1 update due imminently. My spanky laptop has Win8 as the basic OS, so do I just sit back and wait for the update, or do I have to do something(s) to effect this change. -- Arthur From bill_patten at embarqmail.com Wed Oct 16 12:20:33 2013 From: bill_patten at embarqmail.com (Bill Patten) Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 10:20:33 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 8 update to 8.1 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Arthur. I'm certainly not the writer you are but here are the notes I have sent to friends using Windows 8 trying to get them to do a backup making life easier for them and often me. One nice thing about the backup is it is a VHD format and should you chose your can right click on it and mount it. (Win 8 Pro anyway.) and just take one file out if you needed it. I do not know if it will continue to work in 8.1 so be sure to test it after the upgrade. Backup Instructions. In the Start (Metro) screen start typing backup then on the right make sure settings is selected. Then select Save backup copies of your files. At the bottom left of the screen select Window 7 File Recovery Select Create a system image on the upper left Select backup device (Passport or what ever) Next to then start backup Setting the Schedule To Schedule click on "Set up backup" on right side of Windows 7 File Recovery screen. Next and select drive Let Windows Choose Set schedule by Change Schedule Recommended every Sunday but if not a key machine once a month might do it. This might be the same a original backup, if so then just use this one. To Restore: Note the Windows 7 restore disk would not boot on Joanne's Toshiba (Designed for Windows 8, (EUFI format) but did boot on mine . The solution turned out to be Go to settings, General and then Advanced Startup at the bottom. Then select Trouble shooting and then System Image. It will search the USB drives and in this case found the backup we created last month. It warns you that existing data will be lost. Reboots and installs itself. Way Cool. -----Original Message----- From: Arthur Fuller Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2013 8:57 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 8 update to 8.1 I vaguely recall reading that the update is in a day or two, can't remember the precise date. My question is: will this happen automatically or must I do something specific to make this update happen? Anyone know? I just got my shiny laptop back from the Dell Repair Service and its failed hard disk has been replaced, and for the next couple of days I'll be busy installing all the software I count on. Before I embark on that path, I want to create a disk image of this virgin OS, and either burn it to DVD or copy it to External Drive Numero Uno, which has plenty of space. So any Win8 user who knows how to do this is invited to tell me how. All the tiles are confusing. And I can't remember how to do much of anything, but most important, I can't remember how to invoke the equivalent of Windows Explorer. Immediate responses are not required. I shall stumble along and discover little by little this new vision of Windows. I have some docs to read. But back to the original topic: allegedly there's a Win 8.1 update due imminently. My spanky laptop has Win8 as the basic OS, so do I just sit back and wait for the update, or do I have to do something(s) to effect this change. -- Arthur _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From peter.brawley at earthlink.net Wed Oct 16 17:26:12 2013 From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley) Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 17:26:12 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] open source, closed source and healthcare.gov Message-ID: <525F1284.8040303@earthlink.net> The closed source backend is "burning up under the load of thousands of simultaneous users. But it?s not just that the kitchen?s on fire. The alarm system doesn?t work either. The waiters can?t hear the screams of the cooks. It?s hard for outsiders to tell exactly what?s going on, because CGI Federal?s code is locked away out of sight ...". http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2013-10-16/open-source-everything-the-moral-of-the-healthcare-dot-gov-debacle PB From mcp2004 at mail.ru Thu Oct 17 00:39:46 2013 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2013 09:39:46 +0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?Search_Engine_Giant_Yandex_Launches_Cocaine?= =?utf-8?q?=2C_A_Cloud_Service_To_Compete_With_Google_App_Engine?= Message-ID: <1381988386.283091944@f297.i.mail.ru> Hi All -- FYI:? Search Engine Giant Yandex Launches Cocaine, A Cloud Service To Compete With Google App Engine http://techcrunch.com/2013/10/16/search-engine-giant-yandex-launches-cocaine-a-cloud-service-to-compete-with-google-app-engine/ Seems to be/promise to be a very effective stuff for cloud ?based apps. Everybody to learn C/C++, Python and Javascript? Any opinions? Thank you. -- ???????????? ?????? From accessd at shaw.ca Thu Oct 17 01:06:29 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2013 00:06:29 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] open source, closed source and healthcare.gov In-Reply-To: <525F1284.8040303@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <551798594.33255155.1381989989046.JavaMail.root@cds002> It seems that the only solution is to go Open Source. Mind you there has never been a major release of software that has not failed at one time or the other. I am curious as to what proprietary software was used at the backend as that would answer a lot of questions. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Brawley" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2013 3:26:12 PM Subject: [dba-Tech] open source, closed source and healthcare.gov The closed source backend is "burning up under the load of thousands of simultaneous users. But it?s not just that the kitchen?s on fire. The alarm system doesn?t work either. The waiters can?t hear the screams of the cooks. It?s hard for outsiders to tell exactly what?s going on, because CGI Federal?s code is locked away out of sight ...". http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2013-10-16/open-source-everything-the-moral-of-the-healthcare-dot-gov-debacle PB _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Thu Oct 17 01:16:11 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2013 00:16:11 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] Search Engine Giant Yandex Launches Cocaine, A Cloud Service To Compete With Google App Engine In-Reply-To: <1381988386.283091944@f297.i.mail.ru> Message-ID: <310921551.33258828.1381990571165.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi Shamil: Wow, that sounds great. I will have to investigate further. The new systems sounds like it has cobbled together a number of pieces of OSS and it sounds like the mashup is going to be a great product. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2013 10:39:46 PM Subject: [dba-Tech] Search Engine Giant Yandex Launches Cocaine, A Cloud Service To Compete With Google App Engine Hi All -- FYI:? Search Engine Giant Yandex Launches Cocaine, A Cloud Service To Compete With Google App Engine http://techcrunch.com/2013/10/16/search-engine-giant-yandex-launches-cocaine-a-cloud-service-to-compete-with-google-app-engine/ Seems to be/promise to be a very effective stuff for cloud ?based apps. Everybody to learn C/C++, Python and Javascript? Any opinions? Thank you. -- ???????????? ?????? _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From mcp2004 at mail.ru Thu Oct 17 01:25:48 2013 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2013 10:25:48 +0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?Search_Engine_Giant_Yandex_Launches_Cocaine?= =?utf-8?q?=2C_A_Cloud_Service_To_Compete_With_Google_App_Engine?= In-Reply-To: <310921551.33258828.1381990571165.JavaMail.root@cds002> References: <1381988386.283091944@f297.i.mail.ru> <310921551.33258828.1381990571165.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: <1381991148.496208514@f297.i.mail.ru> Hi Jim -- <<>> Yes, and that would be a good opportunity to play with Python apps/container apps here... -- Shamil Thursday, October 17, 2013 12:16 AM -06:00 from Jim Lawrence : >Hi Shamil: > >Wow, that sounds great. I will have to investigate further. The new systems sounds like it has cobbled together a number of pieces of OSS and it sounds like the mashup is going to be a great product. > >Jim > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" < mcp2004 at mail.ru > >To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" < dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com > >Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2013 10:39:46 PM >Subject: [dba-Tech] Search Engine Giant Yandex Launches Cocaine, A Cloud Service To Compete With Google App Engine > >?Hi All -- > >FYI:? >Search Engine Giant Yandex Launches Cocaine, A Cloud Service To Compete With Google App Engine >http://techcrunch.com/2013/10/16/search-engine-giant-yandex-launches-cocaine-a-cloud-service-to-compete-with-google-app-engine/ > >Seems to be/promise to be a very effective stuff for cloud ?based apps. >Everybody to learn C/C++, Python and Javascript? >Any opinions? > >Thank you. > >-- >???????????? ?????? >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- ???????????? ?????? From accessd at shaw.ca Thu Oct 17 01:42:13 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2013 00:42:13 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] Search Engine Giant Yandex Launches Cocaine, A Cloud Service To Compete With Google App Engine In-Reply-To: <1381991148.496208514@f297.i.mail.ru> Message-ID: <1032302798.33266279.1381992133719.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi Shamil: I guess it is time to get my feet wet, so to speak. I have been looking at the Docker virtualization software for quite some time (may have posted a link here, last spring) and have been trying to figure out how useful the product would be. Yandex's implementation could be very useful... I guess it is too early to know the pricing? http://api.yandex.com/cocaine Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2013 11:25:48 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Search Engine Giant Yandex Launches Cocaine, A Cloud Service To Compete With Google App Engine Hi Jim -- <<>> Yes, and that would be a good opportunity to play with Python apps/container apps here... -- Shamil Thursday, October 17, 2013 12:16 AM -06:00 from Jim Lawrence : >Hi Shamil: > >Wow, that sounds great. I will have to investigate further. The new systems sounds like it has cobbled together a number of pieces of OSS and it sounds like the mashup is going to be a great product. > >Jim > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" < mcp2004 at mail.ru > >To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" < dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com > >Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2013 10:39:46 PM >Subject: [dba-Tech] Search Engine Giant Yandex Launches Cocaine, A Cloud Service To Compete With Google App Engine > >?Hi All -- > >FYI:? >Search Engine Giant Yandex Launches Cocaine, A Cloud Service To Compete With Google App Engine >http://techcrunch.com/2013/10/16/search-engine-giant-yandex-launches-cocaine-a-cloud-service-to-compete-with-google-app-engine/ > >Seems to be/promise to be a very effective stuff for cloud ?based apps. >Everybody to learn C/C++, Python and Javascript? >Any opinions? > >Thank you. > >-- >???????????? ?????? >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- ???????????? ?????? _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk Thu Oct 17 02:09:33 2013 From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid) Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2013 08:09:33 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] open source, closed source and healthcare.gov In-Reply-To: <525F1284.8040303@earthlink.net> References: <525F1284.8040303@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB082959C5B04FB05@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk> Why would outsiders need to know? Just curious. We use both windows and OS. Something fails outsiders will never know what failed, where it failed in fact outsiders would know nothing at all other than its not working. Why would/should they? Martin -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Peter Brawley Sent: 16 October 2013 23:26 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] open source, closed source and healthcare.gov The closed source backend is "burning up under the load of thousands of simultaneous users. But it's not just that the kitchen's on fire. The alarm system doesn't work either. The waiters can't hear the screams of the cooks. It's hard for outsiders to tell exactly what's going on, because CGI Federal's code is locked away out of sight ...". http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2013-10-16/open-source-everything-the-moral-of-the-healthcare-dot-gov-debacle PB _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From mcp2004 at mail.ru Thu Oct 17 02:42:20 2013 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2013 11:42:20 +0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?Search_Engine_Giant_Yandex_Launches_Cocaine?= =?utf-8?q?=2C_A_Cloud_Service_To_Compete_With_Google_App_Engine?= In-Reply-To: <1032302798.33266279.1381992133719.JavaMail.root@cds002> References: <1381991148.496208514@f297.i.mail.ru> <1032302798.33266279.1381992133719.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: <1381995740.172800919@f360.i.mail.ru> Hi Jim -- Yes, I do not see any info on pricing, this seems to be a beta v.0.9. But you can use it on your own Linux servers if you get its sources from here: https://github.com/cocaine/cocaine-docs-en/wiki I'm not yet ready here for such usage, I'd better wait till it will be v.1.0 and released on Yandex as a free/paid cloud PaaS. BTW, Microsoft has what is called COM+ server for a long time - it's probably already used in Windows Azure (I haven't had time to check) - COM+ should allow to support very similar technology with load-balancing, scaling, packaging etc. -- Shamil. Thursday, October 17, 2013 12:42 AM -06:00 from Jim Lawrence : >Hi Shamil: > >I guess it is time to get my feet wet, so to speak. > >I have been looking at the Docker virtualization software for quite some time (may have posted a link here, last spring) and have been trying to figure out how useful the product would be. Yandex's implementation could be very useful... I guess it is too early to know the pricing? > >http://api.yandex.com/cocaine > >Jim > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" < mcp2004 at mail.ru > >To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" < dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com > >Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2013 11:25:48 PM >Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Search Engine Giant Yandex Launches Cocaine, A Cloud Service To Compete With Google App Engine > >?Hi Jim -- > ><<>> >Yes, and that would be a good opportunity to play with Python apps/container apps here... > >-- Shamil > > >Thursday, October 17, 2013 12:16 AM -06:00 from Jim Lawrence < accessd at shaw.ca >: >>Hi Shamil: >> >>Wow, that sounds great. I will have to investigate further. The new systems sounds like it has cobbled together a number of pieces of OSS and it sounds like the mashup is going to be a great product. >> >>Jim >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" < mcp2004 at mail.ru > >>To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" < dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com > >>Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2013 10:39:46 PM >>Subject: [dba-Tech] Search Engine Giant Yandex Launches Cocaine, A Cloud Service To Compete With Google App Engine >> >>?Hi All -- >> >>FYI:? >>Search Engine Giant Yandex Launches Cocaine, A Cloud Service To Compete With Google App Engine >> http://techcrunch.com/2013/10/16/search-engine-giant-yandex-launches-cocaine-a-cloud-service-to-compete-with-google-app-engine/ >> >>Seems to be/promise to be a very effective stuff for cloud ?based apps. >>Everybody to learn C/C++, Python and Javascript? >>Any opinions? >> >>Thank you. >> >>-- >>???????????? ?????? > -- ???????????? ?????? From peter.brawley at earthlink.net Thu Oct 17 11:14:27 2013 From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley) Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2013 11:14:27 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] open source, closed source and healthcare.gov In-Reply-To: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB082959C5B04FB05@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk> References: <525F1284.8040303@earthlink.net> <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB082959C5B04FB05@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk> Message-ID: <52600CE3.3030502@earthlink.net> On 2013-10-17 2:09 AM, Martin Reid wrote: > Why would outsiders need to know? Just curious. > > We use both windows and OS. Something fails outsiders will never know what failed, where it failed in fact outsiders would know nothing at all other than its not working. Why would/should they? More & better information. PB ----- > > Martin > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Peter Brawley > Sent: 16 October 2013 23:26 > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: [dba-Tech] open source, closed source and healthcare.gov > > The closed source backend is "burning up under the load of thousands of simultaneous users. But it's not just that the kitchen's on fire. The alarm system doesn't work either. The waiters can't hear the screams of the cooks. It's hard for outsiders to tell exactly what's going on, because CGI Federal's code is locked away out of sight ...". > > http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2013-10-16/open-source-everything-the-moral-of-the-healthcare-dot-gov-debacle > > PB > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From accessd at shaw.ca Thu Oct 17 14:07:03 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2013 13:07:03 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] Search Engine Giant Yandex Launches Cocaine, A Cloud Service To Compete With Google App Engine In-Reply-To: <1381995740.172800919@f360.i.mail.ru> Message-ID: <1745053720.33844344.1382036823136.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi Shamil: Thanks for the link. Another winter project. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2013 12:42:20 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Search Engine Giant Yandex Launches Cocaine, A Cloud Service To Compete With Google App Engine Hi Jim -- Yes, I do not see any info on pricing, this seems to be a beta v.0.9. But you can use it on your own Linux servers if you get its sources from here: https://github.com/cocaine/cocaine-docs-en/wiki I'm not yet ready here for such usage, I'd better wait till it will be v.1.0 and released on Yandex as a free/paid cloud PaaS. BTW, Microsoft has what is called COM+ server for a long time - it's probably already used in Windows Azure (I haven't had time to check) - COM+ should allow to support very similar technology with load-balancing, scaling, packaging etc. -- Shamil. Thursday, October 17, 2013 12:42 AM -06:00 from Jim Lawrence : >Hi Shamil: > >I guess it is time to get my feet wet, so to speak. > >I have been looking at the Docker virtualization software for quite some time (may have posted a link here, last spring) and have been trying to figure out how useful the product would be. Yandex's implementation could be very useful... I guess it is too early to know the pricing? > >http://api.yandex.com/cocaine > >Jim > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" < mcp2004 at mail.ru > >To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" < dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com > >Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2013 11:25:48 PM >Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Search Engine Giant Yandex Launches Cocaine, A Cloud Service To Compete With Google App Engine > >?Hi Jim -- > ><<>> >Yes, and that would be a good opportunity to play with Python apps/container apps here... > >-- Shamil > > >Thursday, October 17, 2013 12:16 AM -06:00 from Jim Lawrence < accessd at shaw.ca >: >>Hi Shamil: >> >>Wow, that sounds great. I will have to investigate further. The new systems sounds like it has cobbled together a number of pieces of OSS and it sounds like the mashup is going to be a great product. >> >>Jim >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" < mcp2004 at mail.ru > >>To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" < dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com > >>Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2013 10:39:46 PM >>Subject: [dba-Tech] Search Engine Giant Yandex Launches Cocaine, A Cloud Service To Compete With Google App Engine >> >>?Hi All -- >> >>FYI:? >>Search Engine Giant Yandex Launches Cocaine, A Cloud Service To Compete With Google App Engine >> http://techcrunch.com/2013/10/16/search-engine-giant-yandex-launches-cocaine-a-cloud-service-to-compete-with-google-app-engine/ >> >>Seems to be/promise to be a very effective stuff for cloud ?based apps. >>Everybody to learn C/C++, Python and Javascript? >>Any opinions? >> >>Thank you. >> >>-- >>???????????? ?????? > -- ???????????? ?????? _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Thu Oct 17 14:11:55 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2013 13:11:55 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] Yet another programming language In-Reply-To: <1381995740.172800919@f360.i.mail.ru> Message-ID: <938799031.33849289.1382037115915.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi All: Another programming language that runs on all platforms. It is supposed to be great for teaching and introducing children (and adults) to the concepts of programming. It is called DrRachet. Below is a link to a series of video tutorials: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4Myub8sJH0&list=SPD0EB7BC8D7CF739A&index=1 Jim From fuller.artful at gmail.com Fri Oct 18 06:53:33 2013 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 07:53:33 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] DoSearches.com? Message-ID: Somewhere, somehow, something changed by gmail setup such that my preferred set of tabs is ignored and this awful thing called DoSearche.com has hijacked my Chrome startup. I hate this bloody thing! I've looked in Chrome's settings and the "Open current pages" setting is as it should be, but somehow somewhere this damned DoSearches thing hijacks Chrome, and to make matters it has a popup in French that keeps asking me whether I want to apply for a green card. I guess that I could un-install Chrome and then re-install it afterwards, and see what happens. Any suggestions before I go that route? -- Arthur From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Fri Oct 18 07:13:34 2013 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 22:13:34 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] DoSearches.com? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <526125EE.3727.6E586413@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> http://www.anti-spyware-101.com/dosearches-com-removal or http://malwaretips.com/blogs/dosearches-com-virus/ On 18 Oct 2013 at 7:53, Arthur Fuller wrote: > Somewhere, somehow, something changed by gmail setup such that my > preferred set of tabs is ignored and this awful thing called > DoSearche.com has hijacked my Chrome startup. I hate this bloody > thing! I've looked in Chrome's settings and the "Open current pages" > setting is as it should be, but somehow somewhere this damned > DoSearches thing hijacks Chrome, and to make matters it has a popup in > French that keeps asking me whether I want to apply for a green card. > > I guess that I could un-install Chrome and then re-install it > afterwards, and see what happens. Any suggestions before I go that > route? > > -- > Arthur > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From fuller.artful at gmail.com Fri Oct 18 07:44:25 2013 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 08:44:25 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] DoSearches.com? In-Reply-To: <526125EE.3727.6E586413@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <526125EE.3727.6E586413@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: Thanks, Stuart. On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 8:13 AM, Stuart McLachlan wrote: > http://www.anti-spyware-101.com/dosearches-com-removal > > or > > http://malwaretips.com/blogs/dosearches-com-virus/ > > > > -- Arthur From fuller.artful at gmail.com Fri Oct 18 07:51:31 2013 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 08:51:31 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Chip terminology Message-ID: Belarc Advisor tells me my laptop contains a 2.5 Gz Intel Core i5-3210M CPU. Beneath that it says Multi-core (2 total) Hyper-threaded (4 total) Which I take to mean that it's a dual-core chip, but I don't understand what the Hyper-threaded number means. Can someone clue me in? TIA, -- Arthur From garykjos at gmail.com Fri Oct 18 08:12:25 2013 From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 08:12:25 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Chip terminology In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: *Basically Hyperthreading allows your CPU to run two processes at the same time in each core. So you have double the logical processors.* *From the Wikipedia article* *http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyper-threading* *-----------------------------------------------* *Hyper-threading* (officially *Hyper-Threading Technology* or *HT Technology *, abbreviated *HTT* or *HT*) is Intel's proprietary simultaneous multithreading (SMT)implementation used to improve parallelization of computations (doing multiple tasks at once) performed on PC microprocessors. It first appeared in February 2002 on Xeonserver processors and in November 2002 on Pentium 4 desktop CPUs.[1] Later, Intel included this technology in Itanium, Atom , and Core 'i' SeriesCPUs, among others. For each processor core that is physically present, the operating systemaddresses two virtual or logical cores, and shares the workload between them when possible. The main function of hyper-threading is to decrease the number of dependent instructions on the pipeline. It takes advantage of superscalar architecture (multiple instructions operating on separate data in parallel). They appear to the OS as two processors, thus the OS can schedule two processes at once. In addition two or more processes can use the same resources. If one process fails then the resources can be readily re-allocated. Hyper-threading requires not only that the operating system supports SMT, but also that it be specifically optimized for HTT,[2]and Intel recommends disabling HTT when using operating systems that have not been optimized for this chip feature. Hyper-threading works by duplicating certain sections of the processor? those that store the architectural state? but not duplicating the main execution resources. This allows a hyper-threading processor to appear as the usual "physical" processor and an extra "logical" processor to the host operating system (HTT-unaware operating systems see two "physical" processors), allowing the operating system to schedule two threads or processes simultaneously and appropriately. When execution resources would not be used by the current task in a processor without hyper-threading, and especially when the processor is stalled, a hyper-threading equipped processor can use those execution resources to execute another scheduled task. (The processor may stall due to a cache miss, branch misprediction , or data dependency .) This technology is transparent to operating systems and programs. The minimum that is required to take advantage of hyper-threading is symmetric multiprocessing (SMP) support in the operating system , as the logical processors appear as standard separate processors. It is possible to optimize operating system behavior on multi-processor hyper-threading capable systems. For example, consider an SMP system with two physical processors that are both hyper-threaded (for a total of four logical processors). If the operating system's thread scheduleris unaware of hyper-threading it will treat all four logical processors the same. If only two threads are eligible to run, it might choose to schedule those threads on the two logical processors that happen to belong to the same physical processor; that processor would become extremely busy while the other would idle, leading to poorer performance than is possible with better scheduling. This problem can be avoided by improving the scheduler to treat logical processors differently from physical processors; in a sense, this is a limited form of the scheduler changes that are required for NUMA systems. On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 7:51 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > Belarc Advisor tells me my laptop contains a 2.5 Gz Intel Core i5-3210M > CPU. Beneath that it says Multi-core (2 total) > Hyper-threaded (4 total) > > Which I take to mean that it's a dual-core chip, but I don't understand > what the Hyper-threaded number means. Can someone clue me in? > > TIA, > > -- > Arthur > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Fri Oct 18 08:29:49 2013 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 09:29:49 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Chip terminology In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks, Gary. Arthur On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 9:12 AM, Gary Kjos wrote: > *Basically Hyperthreading allows your CPU to run two processes at the same > time in each core. So you have double the logical processors.* > > *From the Wikipedia article* > > *http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyper-threading* > From fuller.artful at gmail.com Fri Oct 18 12:54:18 2013 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 13:54:18 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 8.1 Message-ID: Is this an automatic update or does one have to download it specifically? If so, should I just run Windows Update? If not, is there a specific URL? TIA, -- Arthur From Gustav at cactus.dk Fri Oct 18 13:03:20 2013 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 20:03:20 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 8.1 Message-ID: Hi Arthur Go to Store on the Start screen. It will splash a giant tile encouraging you to update. /gustav >>> fuller.artful at gmail.com 18-10-13 19:54 >>> Is this an automatic update or does one have to download it specifically? If so, should I just run Windows Update? If not, is there a specific URL? TIA, -- Arthur From fuller.artful at gmail.com Fri Oct 18 13:06:38 2013 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 14:06:38 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 8.1 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks, Gustav. I've been reading about the update and it looks as if it's a significant improvement. A. On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 2:03 PM, Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi Arthur > > Go to Store on the Start screen. It will splash a giant tile encouraging > you to update. > > /gustav > > >>> fuller.artful at gmail.com 18-10-13 19:54 >>> > Is this an automatic update or does one have to download it specifically? > If so, should I just run Windows Update? If not, is there a specific URL? > > TIA, > > -- > Arthur > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Arthur From jon at tydda.plus.com Fri Oct 18 14:24:08 2013 From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda) Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 20:24:08 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 8.1 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <003c01cecc37$9f108290$dd3187b0$@tydda.plus.com> Be careful: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/10/17/windows_81_update_what_to_know/ I tried it last night and it asked me to uninstall my Anti-Virus software - no chance. I'm also not going to want to uninstall any of the other software either... Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: 18 October 2013 19:07 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows 8.1 Thanks, Gustav. I've been reading about the update and it looks as if it's a significant improvement. A. On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 2:03 PM, Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi Arthur > > Go to Store on the Start screen. It will splash a giant tile > encouraging you to update. > > /gustav > > >>> fuller.artful at gmail.com 18-10-13 19:54 >>> > Is this an automatic update or does one have to download it specifically? > If so, should I just run Windows Update? If not, is there a specific URL? > > TIA, > > -- > Arthur > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Arthur _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From peter.brawley at earthlink.net Fri Oct 18 15:17:02 2013 From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley) Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 15:17:02 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 8.1 In-Reply-To: <003c01cecc37$9f108290$dd3187b0$@tydda.plus.com> References: <003c01cecc37$9f108290$dd3187b0$@tydda.plus.com> Message-ID: <5261973E.6080305@earthlink.net> On 2013-10-18 2:24 PM, Jon Tydda wrote: > Be careful: > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/10/17/windows_81_update_what_to_know/ > > I tried it last night and it asked me to uninstall my Anti-Virus software - > no chance. I'm also not going to want to uninstall any of the other software > either... Win8 looks like a bigger disaster than Vista. PB > > > Jon > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller > Sent: 18 October 2013 19:07 > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows 8.1 > > Thanks, Gustav. I've been reading about the update and it looks as if it's a > significant improvement. > > A. > > > On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 2:03 PM, Gustav Brock wrote: > >> Hi Arthur >> >> Go to Store on the Start screen. It will splash a giant tile >> encouraging you to update. >> >> /gustav >> >>>>> fuller.artful at gmail.com 18-10-13 19:54 >>> >> Is this an automatic update or does one have to download it specifically? >> If so, should I just run Windows Update? If not, is there a specific URL? >> >> TIA, >> >> -- >> Arthur >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > > > -- > Arthur > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From jon at tydda.plus.com Fri Oct 18 16:32:08 2013 From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda) Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 22:32:08 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 8.1 In-Reply-To: <5261973E.6080305@earthlink.net> References: <003c01cecc37$9f108290$dd3187b0$@tydda.plus.com> <5261973E.6080305@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <005d01cecc49$80926600$81b73200$@tydda.plus.com> Not at all. There's loads of great things in it, but they screwed up the gui with the godawful metro dashboard, and that's all most people will know about it. Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Peter Brawley Sent: 18 October 2013 21:17 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows 8.1 On 2013-10-18 2:24 PM, Jon Tydda wrote: > Be careful: > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/10/17/windows_81_update_what_to_know > / > > I tried it last night and it asked me to uninstall my Anti-Virus > software - no chance. I'm also not going to want to uninstall any of > the other software either... Win8 looks like a bigger disaster than Vista. PB > > > Jon > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur > Fuller > Sent: 18 October 2013 19:07 > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows 8.1 > > Thanks, Gustav. I've been reading about the update and it looks as if > it's a significant improvement. > > A. > > > On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 2:03 PM, Gustav Brock wrote: > >> Hi Arthur >> >> Go to Store on the Start screen. It will splash a giant tile >> encouraging you to update. >> >> /gustav >> >>>>> fuller.artful at gmail.com 18-10-13 19:54 >>> >> Is this an automatic update or does one have to download it specifically? >> If so, should I just run Windows Update? If not, is there a specific URL? >> >> TIA, >> >> -- >> Arthur >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > > > -- > Arthur > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Gustav at cactus.dk Fri Oct 18 16:47:00 2013 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 23:47:00 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 8.1 Message-ID: Hi Peter (and Jon) How sad and pessimistic can one be? You don't even run Windows 8 as far as I understand. That said, I'm happy to be able to download the ISO file as this really is a huge download. Also, I will run a clean install on a new disk and transfer what I need from the old. Not much really as I run off our Active Directory and all docs and files are stored on servers. It will be busy; Visual Studio 2013 final is ready for download too. It has to be the first "app" to be installed on my Win8.1 workstation. And the free Hyper-V Server 2012 R2 is out as well. A true gem - if you are not familiar with this, you now have a new priority one. MS rocks these days. /gustav PS: Jon, what's the trouble? Don't you install behind a firewall? >>> peter.brawley at earthlink.net 18-10-13 22:17 >>> On 2013-10-18 2:24 PM, Jon Tydda wrote: > Be careful: > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/10/17/windows_81_update_what_to_know/ > > I tried it last night and it asked me to uninstall my Anti-Virus software - > no chance. I'm also not going to want to uninstall any of the other software > either... Win8 looks like a bigger disaster than Vista. PB > > > Jon > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller > Sent: 18 October 2013 19:07 > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows 8.1 > > Thanks, Gustav. I've been reading about the update and it looks as if it's a > significant improvement. > > A. > > > On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 2:03 PM, Gustav Brock wrote: > >> Hi Arthur >> >> Go to Store on the Start screen. It will splash a giant tile >> encouraging you to update. >> >> /gustav >> >>>>> fuller.artful at gmail.com 18-10-13 19:54 >>> >> Is this an automatic update or does one have to download it specifically? >> If so, should I just run Windows Update? If not, is there a specific URL? >> >> TIA, >> >> -- >> Arthur From jon at tydda.plus.com Fri Oct 18 17:37:35 2013 From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda) Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 23:37:35 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 8.1 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001201cecc52$a54f5f30$efee1d90$@tydda.plus.com> In theory yes, but I've moved house and I'm not using my trusted Netgear router (that I set up with MY security settings) any more, I've got the generic router supplied by the ISP that my brother uses, and I don't have access to any of the settings on it. Although I will be looking into that this weekend :-) Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: 18 October 2013 22:47 To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows 8.1 Hi Peter (and Jon) How sad and pessimistic can one be? You don't even run Windows 8 as far as I understand. That said, I'm happy to be able to download the ISO file as this really is a huge download. Also, I will run a clean install on a new disk and transfer what I need from the old. Not much really as I run off our Active Directory and all docs and files are stored on servers. It will be busy; Visual Studio 2013 final is ready for download too. It has to be the first "app" to be installed on my Win8.1 workstation. And the free Hyper-V Server 2012 R2 is out as well. A true gem - if you are not familiar with this, you now have a new priority one. MS rocks these days. /gustav PS: Jon, what's the trouble? Don't you install behind a firewall? >>> peter.brawley at earthlink.net 18-10-13 22:17 >>> On 2013-10-18 2:24 PM, Jon Tydda wrote: > Be careful: > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/10/17/windows_81_update_what_to_know > / > > I tried it last night and it asked me to uninstall my Anti-Virus > software - no chance. I'm also not going to want to uninstall any of > the other software either... Win8 looks like a bigger disaster than Vista. PB > > > Jon > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur > Fuller > Sent: 18 October 2013 19:07 > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows 8.1 > > Thanks, Gustav. I've been reading about the update and it looks as if > it's a significant improvement. > > A. > > > On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 2:03 PM, Gustav Brock wrote: > >> Hi Arthur >> >> Go to Store on the Start screen. It will splash a giant tile >> encouraging you to update. >> >> /gustav >> >>>>> fuller.artful at gmail.com 18-10-13 19:54 >>> >> Is this an automatic update or does one have to download it specifically? >> If so, should I just run Windows Update? If not, is there a specific URL? >> >> TIA, >> >> -- >> Arthur _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From peter.brawley at earthlink.net Fri Oct 18 19:40:07 2013 From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (peter.brawley at earthlink.net) Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 20:40:07 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 8.1 Message-ID: <4247875.1203323.1382143207490.JavaMail.portal@wapmail-coots.atl.sa.earthlink.net> My wife runs win8. Not by choice---hernew laptop came with it 3 mos. ago. So far win has cost me about 15 hours. Ugh. PB ---- Original Message ---- From: "Gustav Brock" Reply-To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Date: 10/18/13 5:47 PM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Cc: Sub: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows 8.1 Hi Peter (and Jon) How sad and pessimistic can one be? You don't even run Windows 8 as far as I understand. That said, I'm happy to be able to download the ISO file as this really is a huge download. Also, I will run a clean install on a new disk and transfer what I need from the old. Not much really as I run off our Active Directory and all docs and files are stored on servers. It will be busy; Visual Studio 2013 final is ready for download too. It has to be the first "app" to be installed on my Win8.1 workstation. And the free Hyper-V Server 2012 R2 is out as well. A true gem - if you are not familiar with this, you now have a new priority one. MS rocks these days. /gustav PS: Jon, what's the trouble? Don't you install behind a firewall? >>> peter.brawley at earthlink.net 18-10-13 22:17 >>> On 2013-10-18 2:24 PM, Jon Tydda wrote: > Be careful: > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/10/17/windows_81_update_what_to_know/ > > I tried it last night and it asked me to uninstall my Anti-Virus software - > no chance. I'm also not going to want to uninstall any of the other software > either... Win8 looks like a bigger disaster than Vista. PB > > > Jon > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller > Sent: 18 October 2013 19:07 > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows 8.1 > > Thanks, Gustav. I've been reading about the update and it looks as if it's a > significant improvement. > > A. > > > On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 2:03 PM, Gustav Brock wrote: > >> Hi Arthur >> >> Go to Store on the Start screen. It will splash a giant tile >> encouraging you to update. >> >> /gustav >> >>>>> fuller.artful at gmail.com 18-10-13 19:54 >>> >> Is this an automatic update or does one have to download it specifically? >> If so, should I just run Windows Update? If not, is there a specific URL? >> >> TIA, >> >> -- >> Arthur _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com ---- End Original Message ---- From jbartow at winhaven.net Fri Oct 18 21:38:05 2013 From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow) Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 21:38:05 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 8.1 In-Reply-To: <4247875.1203323.1382143207490.JavaMail.portal@wapmail-coots.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <4247875.1203323.1382143207490.JavaMail.portal@wapmail-coots.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <015701cecc74$3e071fd0$ba155f70$@winhaven.net> LOL. How long did it take you to learn Linux? Or MacOS? -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of peter.brawley at earthlink.net Sent: Friday, October 18, 2013 7:40 PM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com; dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows 8.1 My wife runs win8. Not by choice---hernew laptop came with it 3 mos. ago. So far win has cost me about 15 hours. Ugh. PB ---- Original Message ---- From: "Gustav Brock" Reply-To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Date: 10/18/13 5:47 PM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Cc: Sub: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows 8.1 Hi Peter (and Jon) How sad and pessimistic can one be? You don't even run Windows 8 as far as I understand. That said, I'm happy to be able to download the ISO file as this really is a huge download. Also, I will run a clean install on a new disk and transfer what I need from the old. Not much really as I run off our Active Directory and all docs and files are stored on servers. It will be busy; Visual Studio 2013 final is ready for download too. It has to be the first "app" to be installed on my Win8.1 workstation. And the free Hyper-V Server 2012 R2 is out as well. A true gem - if you are not familiar with this, you now have a new priority one. MS rocks these days. /gustav PS: Jon, what's the trouble? Don't you install behind a firewall? >>> peter.brawley at earthlink.net 18-10-13 22:17 >>> On 2013-10-18 2:24 PM, Jon Tydda wrote: > Be careful: > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/10/17/windows_81_update_what_to_know > / > > I tried it last night and it asked me to uninstall my Anti-Virus > software - no chance. I'm also not going to want to uninstall any of > the other software either... Win8 looks like a bigger disaster than Vista. PB > > > Jon > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur > Fuller > Sent: 18 October 2013 19:07 > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows 8.1 > > Thanks, Gustav. I've been reading about the update and it looks as if > it's a significant improvement. > > A. > > > On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 2:03 PM, Gustav Brock wrote: > >> Hi Arthur >> >> Go to Store on the Start screen. It will splash a giant tile >> encouraging you to update. >> >> /gustav >> >>>>> fuller.artful at gmail.com 18-10-13 19:54 >>> >> Is this an automatic update or does one have to download it specifically? >> If so, should I just run Windows Update? If not, is there a specific URL? >> >> TIA, >> >> -- >> Arthur _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com ---- End Original Message ---- _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Fri Oct 18 22:15:26 2013 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2013 13:15:26 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 8.1 In-Reply-To: <015701cecc74$3e071fd0$ba155f70$@winhaven.net> References: <4247875.1203323.1382143207490.JavaMail.portal@wapmail-coots.atl.sa.earthlink.net>, <015701cecc74$3e071fd0$ba155f70$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: <5261F94E.29381.71921623@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Invalid comparison. How long does it take to go from Ubuntu 13 to 14 or OSX Mountain Lion to Mavericks? -- Stuart On 18 Oct 2013 at 21:38, John R Bartow wrote: > LOL. How long did it take you to learn Linux? Or MacOS? > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of > peter.brawley at earthlink.net > Sent: Friday, October 18, 2013 7:40 PM > To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com; dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows 8.1 > > My wife runs win8. Not by choice---hernew laptop came with it 3 mos. > ago. So far win has cost me about 15 hours. Ugh. > > PB > > ---- Original Message ---- > From: "Gustav Brock" > Reply-To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > Date: 10/18/13 5:47 PM > To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com > Cc: > Sub: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows 8.1 > Hi Peter (and Jon) > > How sad and pessimistic can one be? You don't even run Windows 8 as > far as I understand. > > That said, I'm happy to be able to download the ISO file as this > really is a huge download. Also, I will run a clean install on a new > disk and transfer what I need from the old. Not much really as I run > off our Active Directory and all docs and files are stored on servers. > > It will be busy; Visual Studio 2013 final is ready for download too. > It has to be the first "app" to be installed on my Win8.1 workstation. > And the free Hyper-V Server 2012 R2 is out as well. A true gem - if > you are not familiar with this, you now have a new priority one. MS > rocks these days. > > /gustav > > PS: Jon, what's the trouble? Don't you install behind a firewall? > > >>> peter.brawley at earthlink.net 18-10-13 22:17 >>> > On 2013-10-18 2:24 PM, Jon Tydda wrote: > > Be careful: > > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/10/17/windows_81_update_what_to_kn > > ow / > > > > I tried it last night and it asked me to uninstall my Anti-Virus > > software - no chance. I'm also not going to want to uninstall any of > > the other software either... > > Win8 looks like a bigger disaster than Vista. > > PB > > > > > > > Jon > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur > > Fuller Sent: 18 October 2013 19:07 To: Discussion of Hardware and > > Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows 8.1 > > > > Thanks, Gustav. I've been reading about the update and it looks as > > if it's a significant improvement. > > > > A. > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 2:03 PM, Gustav Brock > > wrote: > > > >> Hi Arthur > >> > >> Go to Store on the Start screen. It will splash a giant tile > >> encouraging you to update. > >> > >> /gustav > >> > >>>>> fuller.artful at gmail.com 18-10-13 19:54 >>> > >> Is this an automatic update or does one have to download it > >> specifically? If so, should I just run Windows Update? If not, is > >> there a specific URL? > >> > >> TIA, > >> > >> -- > >> Arthur > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > ---- End Original Message ---- > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From fuller.artful at gmail.com Fri Oct 18 22:39:59 2013 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 23:39:59 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 8.1 In-Reply-To: <5261F94E.29381.71921623@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <4247875.1203323.1382143207490.JavaMail.portal@wapmail-coots.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <015701cecc74$3e071fd0$ba155f70$@winhaven.net> <5261F94E.29381.71921623@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: Stuart, Your right: invalid comparison. And also, IMO, specious: in my case, it took me about 3 days to go from Win7 to total comfort in Win8. Once I discovered a couple of magic gestures and taps, I began loving it. And I still do. One tap on the Windows key to switch from the tiled interface to the desktop, and one more to switch back. One right-click on a tile to uninstall an app. Hold the shift key and drag tiles to rearrange them any way you want. That alone was a huge help. Now my Start tiles include SSMS, Word, Alpha Anywhere, Chrome, Access, SQL Bench and a few others such as the Live Tiles, which I think are really really cool. To get to the other tiles requires nothing more than a slide to the right. What could be easier? Way faster than the Win7 Start menu! On the desktop I have utilities such as xplorer2, NoteTab, Free Javascript Editor, ImgBurn and a VirtualBox Ubuntu VM. Most everything on my desktop is on the QuickLaunch bar. Arthur On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 11:15 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote: > Invalid comparison. > > How long does it take to go from Ubuntu 13 to 14 or OSX Mountain Lion to > Mavericks? > > > -- > Stuart > > > From peter.brawley at earthlink.net Fri Oct 18 22:48:59 2013 From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (peter.brawley at earthlink.net) Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 23:48:59 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 8.1 Message-ID: <23887494.1203467.1382154539088.JavaMail.portal@wapmail-coots.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Strange question. Been using Windows since Windows 1. Still learning *Nix too. Not interested in Apple OSes. PB ---- Original Message ---- From: "John R Bartow" Reply-To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Date: 10/18/13 10:38 PM To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" Cc: Sub: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows 8.1 LOL. How long did it take you to learn Linux? Or MacOS? -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of peter.brawley at earthlink.net Sent: Friday, October 18, 2013 7:40 PM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com; dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows 8.1 My wife runs win8. Not by choice---hernew laptop came with it 3 mos. ago. So far win has cost me about 15 hours. Ugh. PB ---- Original Message ---- From: "Gustav Brock" Reply-To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Date: 10/18/13 5:47 PM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Cc: Sub: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows 8.1 Hi Peter (and Jon) How sad and pessimistic can one be? You don't even run Windows 8 as far as I understand. That said, I'm happy to be able to download the ISO file as this really is a huge download. Also, I will run a clean install on a new disk and transfer what I need from the old. Not much really as I run off our Active Directory and all docs and files are stored on servers. It will be busy; Visual Studio 2013 final is ready for download too. It has to be the first "app" to be installed on my Win8.1 workstation. And the free Hyper-V Server 2012 R2 is out as well. A true gem - if you are not familiar with this, you now have a new priority one. MS rocks these days. /gustav PS: Jon, what's the trouble? Don't you install behind a firewall? >>> peter.brawley at earthlink.net 18-10-13 22:17 >>> On 2013-10-18 2:24 PM, Jon Tydda wrote: > Be careful: > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/10/17/windows_81_update_what_to_know > / > > I tried it last night and it asked me to uninstall my Anti-Virus > software - no chance. I'm also not going to want to uninstall any of > the other software either... Win8 looks like a bigger disaster than Vista. PB > > > Jon > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur > Fuller > Sent: 18 October 2013 19:07 > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows 8.1 > > Thanks, Gustav. I've been reading about the update and it looks as if > it's a significant improvement. > > A. > > > On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 2:03 PM, Gustav Brock wrote: > >> Hi Arthur >> >> Go to Store on the Start screen. It will splash a giant tile >> encouraging you to update. >> >> /gustav >> >>>>> fuller.artful at gmail.com 18-10-13 19:54 >>> >> Is this an automatic update or does one have to download it specifically? >> If so, should I just run Windows Update? If not, is there a specific URL? >> >> TIA, >> >> -- >> Arthur _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com ---- End Original Message ---- _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com ---- End Original Message ---- From Gustav at cactus.dk Sat Oct 19 03:41:07 2013 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2013 10:41:07 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 8.1 Message-ID: Hi Peter I forgot that, sorry. Win8 is a learning experience. I'm not counting hours but days - or rather have stopped counting. But I want to get it right, though it works extremely well I would say, and as a forever-fan of the Bauhaus design patterns and ideas, I'm very pleased with the Metro/Modern design. /gustav >>> peter.brawley at earthlink.net 19-10-13 2:40 >>> My wife runs win8. Not by choice---hernew laptop came with it 3 mos. ago. So far win has cost me about 15 hours. Ugh. PB ---- Original Message ---- From: "Gustav Brock" Reply-To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Date: 10/18/13 5:47 PM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Cc: Sub: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows 8.1 Hi Peter (and Jon) How sad and pessimistic can one be? You don't even run Windows 8 as far as I understand. That said, I'm happy to be able to download the ISO file as this really is a huge download. Also, I will run a clean install on a new disk and transfer what I need from the old. Not much really as I run off our Active Directory and all docs and files are stored on servers. It will be busy; Visual Studio 2013 final is ready for download too. It has to be the first "app" to be installed on my Win8.1 workstation. And the free Hyper-V Server 2012 R2 is out as well. A true gem - if you are not familiar with this, you now have a new priority one. MS rocks these days. /gustav PS: Jon, what's the trouble? Don't you install behind a firewall? >>> peter.brawley at earthlink.net 18-10-13 22:17 >>> On 2013-10-18 2:24 PM, Jon Tydda wrote: > Be careful: > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/10/17/windows_81_update_what_to_know/ > > I tried it last night and it asked me to uninstall my Anti-Virus software - > no chance. I'm also not going to want to uninstall any of the other software > either... Win8 looks like a bigger disaster than Vista. PB > > > Jon > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller > Sent: 18 October 2013 19:07 > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows 8.1 > > Thanks, Gustav. I've been reading about the update and it looks as if it's a > significant improvement. > > A. > > > On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 2:03 PM, Gustav Brock wrote: > >> Hi Arthur >> >> Go to Store on the Start screen. It will splash a giant tile >> encouraging you to update. >> >> /gustav >> >>>>> fuller.artful at gmail.com 18-10-13 19:54 >>> >> Is this an automatic update or does one have to download it specifically? >> If so, should I just run Windows Update? If not, is there a specific URL? >> >> TIA, >> >> -- >> Arthur From accessd at shaw.ca Sat Oct 19 03:52:06 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2013 02:52:06 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] DoSearches.com? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1722683584.35448572.1382172726976.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi Arthur: The would be a wasted effect. Gmail is unrelated to Chrome other than both were made by the same company. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arthur Fuller" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Friday, October 18, 2013 4:53:33 AM Subject: [dba-Tech] DoSearches.com? Somewhere, somehow, something changed by gmail setup such that my preferred set of tabs is ignored and this awful thing called DoSearche.com has hijacked my Chrome startup. I hate this bloody thing! I've looked in Chrome's settings and the "Open current pages" setting is as it should be, but somehow somewhere this damned DoSearches thing hijacks Chrome, and to make matters it has a popup in French that keeps asking me whether I want to apply for a green card. I guess that I could un-install Chrome and then re-install it afterwards, and see what happens. Any suggestions before I go that route? -- Arthur _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Sat Oct 19 03:54:07 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2013 02:54:07 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] Chip terminology In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <402020813.35448726.1382172847733.JavaMail.root@cds002> An i5 intel should have 4 cores. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arthur Fuller" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Friday, October 18, 2013 5:51:31 AM Subject: [dba-Tech] Chip terminology Belarc Advisor tells me my laptop contains a 2.5 Gz Intel Core i5-3210M CPU. Beneath that it says Multi-core (2 total) Hyper-threaded (4 total) Which I take to mean that it's a dual-core chip, but I don't understand what the Hyper-threaded number means. Can someone clue me in? TIA, -- Arthur _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sat Oct 19 04:30:47 2013 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2013 05:30:47 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] DoSearches.com? In-Reply-To: <1722683584.35448572.1382172726976.JavaMail.root@cds002> References: <1722683584.35448572.1382172726976.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: Jim, The URL that Stuart posted worked perfectly. It never would have occurred to me that all you have to do is change the shortcut by adding an argument to effectively hijack the program. I don't know why it never occurred to me, since I have often created shortcuts for Access to pass arguments like "decompile". But in this case I didn't think of it. Arthur On Sat, Oct 19, 2013 at 4:52 AM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Hi Arthur: > > The would be a wasted effect. Gmail is unrelated to Chrome other than both > were made by the same company. > > Jim > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Arthur Fuller" > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" < > dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com> > Sent: Friday, October 18, 2013 4:53:33 AM > Subject: [dba-Tech] DoSearches.com? > > Somewhere, somehow, something changed by gmail setup such that my preferred > set of tabs is ignored and this awful thing called DoSearche.com has > hijacked my Chrome startup. I hate this bloody thing! I've looked in > Chrome's settings and the "Open current pages" setting is as it should be, > but somehow somewhere this damned DoSearches thing hijacks Chrome, and to > make matters it has a popup in French that keeps asking me whether I want > to apply for a green card. > > I guess that I could un-install Chrome and then re-install it afterwards, > and see what happens. Any suggestions before I go that route? > > -- > Arthur > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Arthur From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sat Oct 19 04:32:35 2013 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2013 05:32:35 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Chip terminology In-Reply-To: <402020813.35448726.1382172847733.JavaMail.root@cds002> References: <402020813.35448726.1382172847733.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: What can I say, Jim? Belarc Advisor reports only two. Maybe there's more than one i5 chip? Arthur On Sat, Oct 19, 2013 at 4:54 AM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > An i5 intel should have 4 cores. > > Jim > > From accessd at shaw.ca Sat Oct 19 05:28:25 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2013 04:28:25 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 8.1 In-Reply-To: <5261F94E.29381.71921623@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <960497685.35472711.1382178505266.JavaMail.root@cds002> >From Ubuntu 13.04 to 13.10... 12 minutes plus a reboot. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stuart McLachlan" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Friday, October 18, 2013 8:15:26 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows 8.1 Invalid comparison. How long does it take to go from Ubuntu 13 to 14 or OSX Mountain Lion to Mavericks? -- Stuart On 18 Oct 2013 at 21:38, John R Bartow wrote: > LOL. How long did it take you to learn Linux? Or MacOS? > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of > peter.brawley at earthlink.net > Sent: Friday, October 18, 2013 7:40 PM > To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com; dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows 8.1 > > My wife runs win8. Not by choice---hernew laptop came with it 3 mos. > ago. So far win has cost me about 15 hours. Ugh. > > PB > > ---- Original Message ---- > From: "Gustav Brock" > Reply-To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > Date: 10/18/13 5:47 PM > To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com > Cc: > Sub: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows 8.1 > Hi Peter (and Jon) > > How sad and pessimistic can one be? You don't even run Windows 8 as > far as I understand. > > That said, I'm happy to be able to download the ISO file as this > really is a huge download. Also, I will run a clean install on a new > disk and transfer what I need from the old. Not much really as I run > off our Active Directory and all docs and files are stored on servers. > > It will be busy; Visual Studio 2013 final is ready for download too. > It has to be the first "app" to be installed on my Win8.1 workstation. > And the free Hyper-V Server 2012 R2 is out as well. A true gem - if > you are not familiar with this, you now have a new priority one. MS > rocks these days. > > /gustav > > PS: Jon, what's the trouble? Don't you install behind a firewall? > > >>> peter.brawley at earthlink.net 18-10-13 22:17 >>> > On 2013-10-18 2:24 PM, Jon Tydda wrote: > > Be careful: > > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/10/17/windows_81_update_what_to_kn > > ow / > > > > I tried it last night and it asked me to uninstall my Anti-Virus > > software - no chance. I'm also not going to want to uninstall any of > > the other software either... > > Win8 looks like a bigger disaster than Vista. > > PB > > > > > > > Jon > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur > > Fuller Sent: 18 October 2013 19:07 To: Discussion of Hardware and > > Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows 8.1 > > > > Thanks, Gustav. I've been reading about the update and it looks as > > if it's a significant improvement. > > > > A. > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 2:03 PM, Gustav Brock > > wrote: > > > >> Hi Arthur > >> > >> Go to Store on the Start screen. It will splash a giant tile > >> encouraging you to update. > >> > >> /gustav > >> > >>>>> fuller.artful at gmail.com 18-10-13 19:54 >>> > >> Is this an automatic update or does one have to download it > >> specifically? If so, should I just run Windows Update? If not, is > >> there a specific URL? > >> > >> TIA, > >> > >> -- > >> Arthur > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > ---- End Original Message ---- > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Sat Oct 19 05:33:43 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2013 04:33:43 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 8.1 In-Reply-To: <015701cecc74$3e071fd0$ba155f70$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: <1164552511.35473445.1382178823750.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi John: Unix and Linux. For me, over twenty years and I still only rank as an enthusiast...but for Windows it has been almost half again as many years....and I still don't have a clue how the thing works or in some case doesn't ;-) Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "John R Bartow" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Friday, October 18, 2013 7:38:05 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows 8.1 LOL. How long did it take you to learn Linux? Or MacOS? -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of peter.brawley at earthlink.net Sent: Friday, October 18, 2013 7:40 PM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com; dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows 8.1 My wife runs win8. Not by choice---hernew laptop came with it 3 mos. ago. So far win has cost me about 15 hours. Ugh. PB ---- Original Message ---- From: "Gustav Brock" Reply-To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Date: 10/18/13 5:47 PM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Cc: Sub: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows 8.1 Hi Peter (and Jon) How sad and pessimistic can one be? You don't even run Windows 8 as far as I understand. That said, I'm happy to be able to download the ISO file as this really is a huge download. Also, I will run a clean install on a new disk and transfer what I need from the old. Not much really as I run off our Active Directory and all docs and files are stored on servers. It will be busy; Visual Studio 2013 final is ready for download too. It has to be the first "app" to be installed on my Win8.1 workstation. And the free Hyper-V Server 2012 R2 is out as well. A true gem - if you are not familiar with this, you now have a new priority one. MS rocks these days. /gustav PS: Jon, what's the trouble? Don't you install behind a firewall? >>> peter.brawley at earthlink.net 18-10-13 22:17 >>> On 2013-10-18 2:24 PM, Jon Tydda wrote: > Be careful: > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/10/17/windows_81_update_what_to_know > / > > I tried it last night and it asked me to uninstall my Anti-Virus > software - no chance. I'm also not going to want to uninstall any of > the other software either... Win8 looks like a bigger disaster than Vista. PB > > > Jon > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur > Fuller > Sent: 18 October 2013 19:07 > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows 8.1 > > Thanks, Gustav. I've been reading about the update and it looks as if > it's a significant improvement. > > A. > > > On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 2:03 PM, Gustav Brock wrote: > >> Hi Arthur >> >> Go to Store on the Start screen. It will splash a giant tile >> encouraging you to update. >> >> /gustav >> >>>>> fuller.artful at gmail.com 18-10-13 19:54 >>> >> Is this an automatic update or does one have to download it specifically? >> If so, should I just run Windows Update? If not, is there a specific URL? >> >> TIA, >> >> -- >> Arthur _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com ---- End Original Message ---- _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From djkr at msn.com Sat Oct 19 05:33:20 2013 From: djkr at msn.com (DJK (John) Robinson) Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2013 11:33:20 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Chip terminology In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Arthur There are lots of different i5 chips. Some have two cores (duals), some have four (quads). In the few that I've looked at, the duals have hyperthreading, like yours, and the quads don't. I'm ignorant of the ones I haven't looked at, and I don't know what Jim means by "should have". HTH John -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: 19 October 2013 10:33 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Chip terminology What can I say, Jim? Belarc Advisor reports only two. Maybe there's more than one i5 chip? Arthur On Sat, Oct 19, 2013 at 4:54 AM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > An i5 intel should have 4 cores. > > Jim > > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Sat Oct 19 05:53:59 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2013 04:53:59 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] DoSearches.com? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1636610296.35477525.1382180039779.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi Arthur: I have been doing so much of that as of late for friends, family and other businesses that it has become second nature. It seems that every Windows third-party application you download defaults to taking over your browser. Some more legitimate companies have a switch that can toggle off the new browser menus but many don't and then it is back to manually resetting the properties and most users don't have a clue what is happening. To be honest it is becoming a real PITA and I think it should be illegal. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arthur Fuller" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2013 2:30:47 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] DoSearches.com? Jim, The URL that Stuart posted worked perfectly. It never would have occurred to me that all you have to do is change the shortcut by adding an argument to effectively hijack the program. I don't know why it never occurred to me, since I have often created shortcuts for Access to pass arguments like "decompile". But in this case I didn't think of it. Arthur On Sat, Oct 19, 2013 at 4:52 AM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Hi Arthur: > > The would be a wasted effect. Gmail is unrelated to Chrome other than both > were made by the same company. > > Jim > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Arthur Fuller" > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" < > dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com> > Sent: Friday, October 18, 2013 4:53:33 AM > Subject: [dba-Tech] DoSearches.com? > > Somewhere, somehow, something changed by gmail setup such that my preferred > set of tabs is ignored and this awful thing called DoSearche.com has > hijacked my Chrome startup. I hate this bloody thing! I've looked in > Chrome's settings and the "Open current pages" setting is as it should be, > but somehow somewhere this damned DoSearches thing hijacks Chrome, and to > make matters it has a popup in French that keeps asking me whether I want > to apply for a green card. > > I guess that I could un-install Chrome and then re-install it afterwards, > and see what happens. Any suggestions before I go that route? > > -- > Arthur > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Arthur _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Sat Oct 19 05:56:37 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2013 04:56:37 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] Chip terminology In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1812616729.35478217.1382180197950.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi Arthur: "...From what I can tell, i5 CPUs are those which have 4 threads. This means they are either 4 cores without SMT (1 thread per core) or dual cores with SMT (2 threads per core). Currently, the i5-750 is the only i5 available, and it is a quad core without SMT. " Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arthur Fuller" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2013 2:32:35 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Chip terminology What can I say, Jim? Belarc Advisor reports only two. Maybe there's more than one i5 chip? Arthur On Sat, Oct 19, 2013 at 4:54 AM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > An i5 intel should have 4 cores. > > Jim > > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sat Oct 19 06:02:34 2013 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2013 07:02:34 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 8.1 In-Reply-To: <1164552511.35473445.1382178823750.JavaMail.root@cds002> References: <015701cecc74$3e071fd0$ba155f70$@winhaven.net> <1164552511.35473445.1382178823750.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: I'm just completing my upgrade to Windows 8.1. A very lengthy download, and I have a fast connection. Speaking of connection speed, what utility could I use to determine actual download speed, as opposed to the purported speed claimed by a given ISP? A. On Sat, Oct 19, 2013 at 6:33 AM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Hi John: > > Unix and Linux. > > For me, over twenty years and I still only rank as an enthusiast...but for > Windows it has been almost half again as many years....and I still don't > have a clue how the thing works or in some case doesn't ;-) > > Jim > > From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sat Oct 19 06:07:31 2013 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2013 07:07:31 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] DoSearches.com? In-Reply-To: <1636610296.35477525.1382180039779.JavaMail.root@cds002> References: <1636610296.35477525.1382180039779.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: I agree 100% that it should be illegal. I also hate when downloaded software wants to add toolbars to my browser, replace my search engine, change my home page, etc. On Sat, Oct 19, 2013 at 6:53 AM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Hi Arthur: > > I have been doing so much of that as of late for friends, family and other > businesses that it has become second nature. It seems that every Windows > third-party application you download defaults to taking over your browser. > Some more legitimate companies have a switch that can toggle off the new > browser menus but many don't and then it is back to manually resetting the > properties and most users don't have a clue what is happening. > > To be honest it is becoming a real PITA and I think it should be illegal. > > Jim > From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Sat Oct 19 06:12:54 2013 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2013 21:12:54 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Chip terminology In-Reply-To: <402020813.35448726.1382172847733.JavaMail.root@cds002> References: , <402020813.35448726.1382172847733.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: <52626936.7953.73473C23@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Most of them have 2, a few newer ones have 4. Cuurent: http://www.intel.com/content/www/xr/en/processors/core/core-i5-processor.html Previous: http://www.intel.com/content/www/xr/en/processor-comparison/compare-intel-processors.htm l (expand the i5 tab for a long list) Hyperthreading is a way of emulating multiple cores by running more than one concurrent thread of execution on.each core. So your i% can run two concurrent threads on each core so that it looks to the OS as though you have 4 cores. On 19 Oct 2013 at 2:54, Jim Lawrence wrote: > An i5 intel should have 4 cores. > > Jim > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Arthur Fuller" > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > Sent: Friday, October 18, 2013 5:51:31 > AM Subject: [dba-Tech] Chip terminology > > Belarc Advisor tells me my laptop contains a 2.5 Gz Intel Core > i5-3210M CPU. Beneath that it says Multi-core (2 total) Hyper-threaded > (4 total) > > Which I take to mean that it's a dual-core chip, but I don't > understand what the Hyper-threaded number means. Can someone clue me > in? > > TIA, > > -- > Arthur > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sat Oct 19 06:14:07 2013 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2013 07:14:07 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Chip terminology In-Reply-To: <1812616729.35478217.1382180197950.JavaMail.root@cds002> References: <1812616729.35478217.1382180197950.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: Jim, This laptop was purchased in February and as I said, Belarc reports 2 cores and 4 threads. I wonder how the two varieties compare in speed. Not that I'm complaining. I've never had a computer that even comes close to the performance of this baby. 8 gigs of RAM + 1 tera of hard disk and USB 3.0, and it's a laptop! Besides that, I got a great deal -- $550. On Sat, Oct 19, 2013 at 6:56 AM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Hi Arthur: > > "...From what I can tell, i5 CPUs are those which have 4 threads. This > means they are either 4 cores without SMT (1 thread per core) or dual cores > with SMT (2 threads per core). Currently, the i5-750 is the only i5 > available, and it is a quad core without SMT. > " > > Jim > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Arthur Fuller" > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" < > dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com> > Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2013 2:32:35 AM > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Chip terminology > > What can I say, Jim? Belarc Advisor reports only two. Maybe there's more > than one i5 chip? > > Arthur > > > On Sat, Oct 19, 2013 at 4:54 AM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > > > An i5 intel should have 4 cores. > > > > Jim > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Arthur From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Sat Oct 19 06:15:34 2013 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2013 21:15:34 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] DoSearches.com? In-Reply-To: <1636610296.35477525.1382180039779.JavaMail.root@cds002> References: , <1636610296.35477525.1382180039779.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: <526269D6.18536.7349AC14@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> There is almost invariably a checkbox on one of the installation screens which is checked by default. You have to watch for them very carefully when installing anything these days. -- Stuart On 19 Oct 2013 at 4:53, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Hi Arthur: > > I have been doing so much of that as of late for friends, family and > other businesses that it has become second nature. It seems that every > Windows third-party application you download defaults to taking over > your browser. Some more legitimate companies have a switch that can > toggle off the new browser menus but many don't and then it is back to > manually resetting the properties and most users don't have a clue > what is happening. > > To be honest it is becoming a real PITA and I think it should be > illegal. > > Jim > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Arthur Fuller" > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2013 > 2:30:47 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] DoSearches.com? > > Jim, > > The URL that Stuart posted worked perfectly. It never would have > occurred to me that all you have to do is change the shortcut by > adding an argument to effectively hijack the program. I don't know why > it never occurred to me, since I have often created shortcuts for > Access to pass arguments like "decompile". But in this case I didn't > think of it. > > Arthur > > > On Sat, Oct 19, 2013 at 4:52 AM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > > > Hi Arthur: > > > > The would be a wasted effect. Gmail is unrelated to Chrome other > > than both were made by the same company. > > > > Jim > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Arthur Fuller" > > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" < > > dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com> > > Sent: Friday, October 18, 2013 4:53:33 AM > > Subject: [dba-Tech] DoSearches.com? > > > > Somewhere, somehow, something changed by gmail setup such that my > > preferred set of tabs is ignored and this awful thing called > > DoSearche.com has hijacked my Chrome startup. I hate this bloody > > thing! I've looked in Chrome's settings and the "Open current pages" > > setting is as it should be, but somehow somewhere this damned > > DoSearches thing hijacks Chrome, and to make matters it has a popup > > in French that keeps asking me whether I want to apply for a green > > card. > > > > I guess that I could un-install Chrome and then re-install it > > afterwards, and see what happens. Any suggestions before I go that > > route? > > > > -- > > Arthur > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > -- > Arthur > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Sat Oct 19 06:16:43 2013 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2013 21:16:43 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 8.1 In-Reply-To: References: <015701cecc74$3e071fd0$ba155f70$@winhaven.net>, <1164552511.35473445.1382178823750.JavaMail.root@cds002>, Message-ID: <52626A1B.27928.734ABA37@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> http://www.speedtest.net/ On 19 Oct 2013 at 7:02, Arthur Fuller wrote: > I'm just completing my upgrade to Windows 8.1. A very lengthy > download, and I have a fast connection. Speaking of connection speed, > what utility could I use to determine actual download speed, as > opposed to the purported speed claimed by a given ISP? > > A. > > > On Sat, Oct 19, 2013 at 6:33 AM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > > > Hi John: > > > > Unix and Linux. > > > > For me, over twenty years and I still only rank as an > > enthusiast...but for Windows it has been almost half again as many > > years....and I still don't have a clue how the thing works or in > > some case doesn't ;-) > > > > Jim > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From djkr at msn.com Sat Oct 19 06:20:08 2013 From: djkr at msn.com (DJK (John) Robinson) Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2013 12:20:08 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Chip terminology In-Reply-To: <1812616729.35478217.1382180197950.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: I think the i5-750 must be about four years old now. My favorite supplier no longer sells it, but does have fifteen other (different) i5 processors in stock right now. Most are quads - but not all. John -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: 19 October 2013 11:57 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Chip terminology Hi Arthur: "...From what I can tell, i5 CPUs are those which have 4 threads. This means they are either 4 cores without SMT (1 thread per core) or dual cores with SMT (2 threads per core). Currently, the i5-750 is the only i5 available, and it is a quad core without SMT. " Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arthur Fuller" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2013 2:32:35 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Chip terminology What can I say, Jim? Belarc Advisor reports only two. Maybe there's more than one i5 chip? Arthur On Sat, Oct 19, 2013 at 4:54 AM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > An i5 intel should have 4 cores. > > Jim > > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Sat Oct 19 06:21:40 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2013 05:21:40 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 8.1 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1824840775.35490617.1382181700813.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi Arthur: I know your concerns. We have only four providers here in Canada and from personal experience I know Shaw lies. They have their own speed tester and it gives a false impression. First, it initiates with a burst mode which drops to a much lower rate but their tester does an average...so it is not accurate. Second, there are various performance levels depending on your purchase plan but they are continually modifying these levels downward. This is the trouble with a monopoly and regulators who don't regulate. Try this speed tester as it is not product owned by any of our monopolies it should give an accurate figure: http://www.speedtest.net Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arthur Fuller" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2013 4:02:34 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows 8.1 I'm just completing my upgrade to Windows 8.1. A very lengthy download, and I have a fast connection. Speaking of connection speed, what utility could I use to determine actual download speed, as opposed to the purported speed claimed by a given ISP? A. On Sat, Oct 19, 2013 at 6:33 AM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Hi John: > > Unix and Linux. > > For me, over twenty years and I still only rank as an enthusiast...but for > Windows it has been almost half again as many years....and I still don't > have a clue how the thing works or in some case doesn't ;-) > > Jim > > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sat Oct 19 06:28:57 2013 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2013 07:28:57 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 8.1 In-Reply-To: <1824840775.35490617.1382181700813.JavaMail.root@cds002> References: <1824840775.35490617.1382181700813.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: Back to the original subject of this thread. My update to Windows 8.1 has just completed. It's now installing my apps. I guess I know how I'm going to spend today :) I'll give speedtest a shot in a moment. On Sat, Oct 19, 2013 at 7:21 AM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Hi Arthur: > > I know your concerns. We have only four providers here in Canada and from > personal experience I know Shaw lies. They have their own speed tester and > it gives a false impression. First, it initiates with a burst mode which > drops to a much lower rate but their tester does an average...so it is not > accurate. Second, there are various performance levels depending on your > purchase plan but they are continually modifying these levels downward. > This is the trouble with a monopoly and regulators who don't regulate. > > Try this speed tester as it is not product owned by any of our monopolies > it should give an accurate figure: http://www.speedtest.net > > Jim > > > From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sat Oct 19 06:46:47 2013 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2013 07:46:47 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 8.1 In-Reply-To: References: <1824840775.35490617.1382181700813.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: I just ran SpeedTest and it reported that my download speed is 5.17 Mbps, while the upload speed is naturally a lot lower, a mere 0.66 Mbps. So I'm pretty much spot on with the claims made by Toronto FreeNet, my ISP. Arthur From garykjos at gmail.com Sat Oct 19 07:14:33 2013 From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2013 07:14:33 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 8.1 In-Reply-To: References: <1824840775.35490617.1382181700813.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: I got 59.17 Mbps down and 12.10 up. Not sure what my ISP (Comcast) claims. It seems pretty quick and I guess it is. GK On Sat, Oct 19, 2013 at 6:46 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > I just ran SpeedTest and it reported that my download speed is 5.17 Mbps, > while the upload speed is naturally a lot lower, a mere 0.66 Mbps. So I'm > pretty much spot on with the claims made by Toronto FreeNet, my ISP. > > Arthur > > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com From garykjos at gmail.com Sat Oct 19 07:26:15 2013 From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2013 07:26:15 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Chip terminology In-Reply-To: <402020813.35448726.1382172847733.JavaMail.root@cds002> References: <402020813.35448726.1382172847733.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: Not necessarily. I5's have either 2 or 4 cores according to all the spec lists including Intel sites. Look it up yourself. All have 4 theads but some do it with two cores with two threads per core. GK On Saturday, October 19, 2013, Jim Lawrence wrote: > An i5 intel should have 4 cores. > > Jim > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Arthur Fuller" > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" < dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com> > Sent: Friday, October 18, 2013 5:51:31 AM > Subject: [dba-Tech] Chip terminology > > Belarc Advisor tells me my laptop contains a 2.5 Gz Intel Core i5-3210M > CPU. Beneath that it says Multi-core (2 total) > Hyper-threaded (4 total) > > Which I take to mean that it's a dual-core chip, but I don't understand > what the Hyper-threaded number means. Can someone clue me in? > > TIA, > > -- > Arthur > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Sat Oct 19 07:37:20 2013 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2013 05:37:20 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 8.1 In-Reply-To: References: <015701cecc74$3e071fd0$ba155f70$@winhaven.net><1164552511.35473445.1382178823750.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: I use www.speakeasy.net/speedtest/? and have used www.speedtest.net/? R -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2013 4:03 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows 8.1 I'm just completing my upgrade to Windows 8.1. A very lengthy download, and I have a fast connection. Speaking of connection speed, what utility could I use to determine actual download speed, as opposed to the purported speed claimed by a given ISP? A. On Sat, Oct 19, 2013 at 6:33 AM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Hi John: > > Unix and Linux. > > For me, over twenty years and I still only rank as an enthusiast...but > for Windows it has been almost half again as many years....and I still > don't have a clue how the thing works or in some case doesn't ;-) > > Jim > > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Sat Oct 19 07:43:36 2013 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2013 05:43:36 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 8.1 In-Reply-To: References: <1824840775.35490617.1382181700813.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: <604B1A7C8186486D8CA8A76BE3BB4242@HAL9007> I'm getting 16mbps down and 1.0 up. But the up is artificially throttled. This is Roadrunner from Time Warner. R -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2013 4:47 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows 8.1 I just ran SpeedTest and it reported that my download speed is 5.17 Mbps, while the upload speed is naturally a lot lower, a mere 0.66 Mbps. So I'm pretty much spot on with the claims made by Toronto FreeNet, my ISP. Arthur _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Sat Oct 19 07:45:01 2013 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2013 05:45:01 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 8.1 In-Reply-To: References: <1824840775.35490617.1382181700813.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: <607FD8EA35CC4041954BC8A315077944@HAL9007> That's huge! that's at home? What do you pay per month for that speed? Are you paying a premium for higher speed or is that the standard rate? R -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2013 5:15 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows 8.1 I got 59.17 Mbps down and 12.10 up. Not sure what my ISP (Comcast) claims. It seems pretty quick and I guess it is. GK On Sat, Oct 19, 2013 at 6:46 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > I just ran SpeedTest and it reported that my download speed is 5.17 > Mbps, while the upload speed is naturally a lot lower, a mere 0.66 > Mbps. So I'm pretty much spot on with the claims made by Toronto FreeNet, my ISP. > > Arthur > > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Sat Oct 19 08:04:53 2013 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2013 23:04:53 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 8.1 In-Reply-To: <604B1A7C8186486D8CA8A76BE3BB4242@HAL9007> References: , , <604B1A7C8186486D8CA8A76BE3BB4242@HAL9007> Message-ID: <52628375.15378.73ADC283@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Will you people STFU. I can only dream of speeds like that. The best I can hope for is 2Mbps, but the cost of that is prohibitve, so I make do with 512Kbps. :-( -- Stuart On 19 Oct 2013 at 5:43, Rocky Smolin wrote: > I'm getting 16mbps down and 1.0 up. But the up is artificially > throttled. This is Roadrunner from Time Warner. > > R > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur > Fuller Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2013 4:47 AM To: Discussion of > Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows 8.1 > > I just ran SpeedTest and it reported that my download speed is 5.17 > Mbps, while the upload speed is naturally a lot lower, a mere 0.66 > Mbps. So I'm pretty much spot on with the claims made by Toronto > FreeNet, my ISP. > > Arthur > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Sat Oct 19 12:34:07 2013 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2013 03:34:07 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 8.1 In-Reply-To: <52628375.15378.73ADC283@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: , <604B1A7C8186486D8CA8A76BE3BB4242@HAL9007>, <52628375.15378.73ADC283@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <5262C28F.18848.74A4405E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Just noticed that sounds a bit harsh. There should have been a smilie at the end of the first line. Sorry! On 19 Oct 2013 at 23:04, Stuart McLachlan wrote: > Will you people STFU. > > I can only dream of speeds like that. > > The best I can hope for is 2Mbps, but the cost of that is prohibitve, > so I make do with 512Kbps. :-( > > > -- > Stuart > > On 19 Oct 2013 at 5:43, Rocky Smolin wrote: > > > I'm getting 16mbps down and 1.0 up. But the up is artificially > > throttled. This is Roadrunner from Time Warner. > > > > R > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur > > Fuller Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2013 4:47 AM To: Discussion of > > Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows 8.1 > > > > I just ran SpeedTest and it reported that my download speed is 5.17 > > Mbps, while the upload speed is naturally a lot lower, a mere 0.66 > > Mbps. So I'm pretty much spot on with the claims made by Toronto > > FreeNet, my ISP. > > > > Arthur > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sat Oct 19 12:40:40 2013 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2013 13:40:40 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] HFT (High Frequency Trading) Message-ID: There are several articles available over at queue.acm.org on HFT and the algorithms and hardware used to implement these systems. In one of them, *Barbarians at the Gateways*, former trader and HFT developer describes these systems and mentions some of the performance demands. There is a measurement called Tick to Trade Time, which consists of: 1. Receive a packet at the network interface. 2. Process the packet and run through the business logic of trading. 3. Send a trade packet back out on the network interface. Loveless says that when he began in 2003, the goal was a Tick to Trade time of under 10 milliseconds. By 2004, this was halved to under 5 milliseconds. By 2009 the requirement was under 1 millisecond. By this point programmers were rewriting kernels and using FPGAs (field programmable gate arrays). Fascinating reading. The URL is queue.acm.org/detail.cfm?id=2536492. -- Arthur From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sat Oct 19 12:42:23 2013 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2013 13:42:23 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 8.1 In-Reply-To: <5262C28F.18848.74A4405E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <604B1A7C8186486D8CA8A76BE3BB4242@HAL9007> <52628375.15378.73ADC283@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <5262C28F.18848.74A4405E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: No worries, Stuart. We got the point. In a word, raw, unabashed jealousy :) Arthur On Sat, Oct 19, 2013 at 1:34 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote: > Just noticed that sounds a bit harsh. There should have been a smilie at > the end of the first > line. Sorry! > > From accessd at shaw.ca Sat Oct 19 13:59:59 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2013 12:59:59 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 8.1 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200714569.35760064.1382209199135.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi Gustav and all: Here is an interesting set of figures about the current adoption rate of Windows8.x. There are no comments on the high-lights or short-comings of any product but it shows where the current market is now sitting. Of course some observations can be taken from the article and graph. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/10/18/windows8_adoption_versus_7/ Windows XP still is very dominant in market place but Windows 7 appears to be the heir apparent. Whether people will move on mass to Windows8.x is still a big question...so far the enthusiasm is less than stellar with only about a 8-9 percent adoption level compared to Win7's approximate 46 percent adoption. Some of the interesting figures shows Vista still lingering. Then there are the "Others" in the chart most likely Linux which until recently was ahead of Win8.x versions...considering that Linux has, until now a very limited access to user environment, little corporate user support and a zero advertising budget that is quite an accomplishment. What the future will bring for the Windows 8 product is still up in the air and whether it can turn around its fortunes is still up for debate. My bet is that Windows 7 will seize most of the corporate desktop/laptop market, say at about 50 percent, XP will linger on with about 10, equal to Win8 and the rest of the market will be filled with Linux and Macs. What are your predictions? Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gustav Brock" To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Sent: Friday, October 18, 2013 2:47:00 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows 8.1 Hi Peter (and Jon) How sad and pessimistic can one be? You don't even run Windows 8 as far as I understand. That said, I'm happy to be able to download the ISO file as this really is a huge download. Also, I will run a clean install on a new disk and transfer what I need from the old. Not much really as I run off our Active Directory and all docs and files are stored on servers. It will be busy; Visual Studio 2013 final is ready for download too. It has to be the first "app" to be installed on my Win8.1 workstation. And the free Hyper-V Server 2012 R2 is out as well. A true gem - if you are not familiar with this, you now have a new priority one. MS rocks these days. /gustav PS: Jon, what's the trouble? Don't you install behind a firewall? >>> peter.brawley at earthlink.net 18-10-13 22:17 >>> On 2013-10-18 2:24 PM, Jon Tydda wrote: > Be careful: > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/10/17/windows_81_update_what_to_know/ > > I tried it last night and it asked me to uninstall my Anti-Virus software - > no chance. I'm also not going to want to uninstall any of the other software > either... Win8 looks like a bigger disaster than Vista. PB > > > Jon > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller > Sent: 18 October 2013 19:07 > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows 8.1 > > Thanks, Gustav. I've been reading about the update and it looks as if it's a > significant improvement. > > A. > > > On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 2:03 PM, Gustav Brock wrote: > >> Hi Arthur >> >> Go to Store on the Start screen. It will splash a giant tile >> encouraging you to update. >> >> /gustav >> >>>>> fuller.artful at gmail.com 18-10-13 19:54 >>> >> Is this an automatic update or does one have to download it specifically? >> If so, should I just run Windows Update? If not, is there a specific URL? >> >> TIA, >> >> -- >> Arthur _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Sat Oct 19 14:03:50 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2013 13:03:50 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] Chip terminology In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <90549928.35761852.1382209430490.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi Arthur: There is no substitute for power and you now have it in spades...any thing you run will look and respond incredibly. :-) Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arthur Fuller" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2013 4:14:07 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Chip terminology Jim, This laptop was purchased in February and as I said, Belarc reports 2 cores and 4 threads. I wonder how the two varieties compare in speed. Not that I'm complaining. I've never had a computer that even comes close to the performance of this baby. 8 gigs of RAM + 1 tera of hard disk and USB 3.0, and it's a laptop! Besides that, I got a great deal -- $550. On Sat, Oct 19, 2013 at 6:56 AM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Hi Arthur: > > "...From what I can tell, i5 CPUs are those which have 4 threads. This > means they are either 4 cores without SMT (1 thread per core) or dual cores > with SMT (2 threads per core). Currently, the i5-750 is the only i5 > available, and it is a quad core without SMT. > " > > Jim > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Arthur Fuller" > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" < > dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com> > Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2013 2:32:35 AM > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Chip terminology > > What can I say, Jim? Belarc Advisor reports only two. Maybe there's more > than one i5 chip? > > Arthur > > > On Sat, Oct 19, 2013 at 4:54 AM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > > > An i5 intel should have 4 cores. > > > > Jim > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Arthur _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jbartow at winhaven.net Sat Oct 19 14:11:27 2013 From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow) Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2013 14:11:27 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 8.1 In-Reply-To: <23887494.1203467.1382154539088.JavaMail.portal@wapmail-coots.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <23887494.1203467.1382154539088.JavaMail.portal@wapmail-coots.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <01d801ceccff$0365e7e0$0a31b7a0$@winhaven.net> Oh, I did not know that you've used Windows at all. I had assumed you hadn't. With that assumption it's a fair question ;-) -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of peter.brawley at earthlink.net Sent: Friday, October 18, 2013 10:49 PM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com; dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows 8.1 Strange question. Been using Windows since Windows 1. Still learning *Nix too. Not interested in Apple OSes. PB ---- Original Message ---- From: "John R Bartow" Reply-To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Date: 10/18/13 10:38 PM To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" Cc: Sub: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows 8.1 LOL. How long did it take you to learn Linux? Or MacOS? -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of peter.brawley at earthlink.net Sent: Friday, October 18, 2013 7:40 PM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com; dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows 8.1 My wife runs win8. Not by choice---hernew laptop came with it 3 mos. ago. So far win has cost me about 15 hours. Ugh. PB ---- Original Message ---- From: "Gustav Brock" Reply-To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Date: 10/18/13 5:47 PM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Cc: Sub: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows 8.1 Hi Peter (and Jon) How sad and pessimistic can one be? You don't even run Windows 8 as far as I understand. That said, I'm happy to be able to download the ISO file as this really is a huge download. Also, I will run a clean install on a new disk and transfer what I need from the old. Not much really as I run off our Active Directory and all docs and files are stored on servers. It will be busy; Visual Studio 2013 final is ready for download too. It has to be the first "app" to be installed on my Win8.1 workstation. And the free Hyper-V Server 2012 R2 is out as well. A true gem - if you are not familiar with this, you now have a new priority one. MS rocks these days. /gustav PS: Jon, what's the trouble? Don't you install behind a firewall? >>> peter.brawley at earthlink.net 18-10-13 22:17 >>> On 2013-10-18 2:24 PM, Jon Tydda wrote: > Be careful: > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/10/17/windows_81_update_what_to_know > / > > I tried it last night and it asked me to uninstall my Anti-Virus > software - no chance. I'm also not going to want to uninstall any of > the other software either... Win8 looks like a bigger disaster than Vista. PB > > > Jon > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur > Fuller > Sent: 18 October 2013 19:07 > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows 8.1 > > Thanks, Gustav. I've been reading about the update and it looks as if > it's a significant improvement. > > A. > > > On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 2:03 PM, Gustav Brock wrote: > >> Hi Arthur >> >> Go to Store on the Start screen. It will splash a giant tile >> encouraging you to update. >> >> /gustav >> >>>>> fuller.artful at gmail.com 18-10-13 19:54 >>> >> Is this an automatic update or does one have to download it specifically? >> If so, should I just run Windows Update? If not, is there a specific URL? >> >> TIA, >> >> -- >> Arthur _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com ---- End Original Message ---- _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com ---- End Original Message ---- _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Sat Oct 19 14:20:49 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2013 13:20:49 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] DoSearches.com? In-Reply-To: <526269D6.18536.7349AC14@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <1615119607.35770038.1382210449918.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi Stuart: Agreed...but few standard users seem aware of this until its too late. There has to be a real education campaign among most users as they appear blissfully unaware of the dangers or even the checkbox. Some apps even have a button that says something like; "Decline the install, yes or no". It is not easy to know whether you are saying "no" to what you have downloaded or is it referring to "extras". The last computer I worked on had two malware applications that had to be removed, partly manually and two browsers that had to be cleaned up. It was a real mess. Considering the client had just over looked the checkbox, I suspect made to be confusing, as they were actually looking for it and the product they were downloading was coming from a supposed well known legitimate site, they were more than surprised. The malware was attached to the download by the actual site operations. Very bad. I would like to see those sites banned until they clean up their act. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stuart McLachlan" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2013 4:15:34 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] DoSearches.com? There is almost invariably a checkbox on one of the installation screens which is checked by default. You have to watch for them very carefully when installing anything these days. -- Stuart On 19 Oct 2013 at 4:53, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Hi Arthur: > > I have been doing so much of that as of late for friends, family and > other businesses that it has become second nature. It seems that every > Windows third-party application you download defaults to taking over > your browser. Some more legitimate companies have a switch that can > toggle off the new browser menus but many don't and then it is back to > manually resetting the properties and most users don't have a clue > what is happening. > > To be honest it is becoming a real PITA and I think it should be > illegal. > > Jim > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Arthur Fuller" > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2013 > 2:30:47 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] DoSearches.com? > > Jim, > > The URL that Stuart posted worked perfectly. It never would have > occurred to me that all you have to do is change the shortcut by > adding an argument to effectively hijack the program. I don't know why > it never occurred to me, since I have often created shortcuts for > Access to pass arguments like "decompile". But in this case I didn't > think of it. > > Arthur > > > On Sat, Oct 19, 2013 at 4:52 AM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > > > Hi Arthur: > > > > The would be a wasted effect. Gmail is unrelated to Chrome other > > than both were made by the same company. > > > > Jim > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Arthur Fuller" > > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" < > > dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com> > > Sent: Friday, October 18, 2013 4:53:33 AM > > Subject: [dba-Tech] DoSearches.com? > > > > Somewhere, somehow, something changed by gmail setup such that my > > preferred set of tabs is ignored and this awful thing called > > DoSearche.com has hijacked my Chrome startup. I hate this bloody > > thing! I've looked in Chrome's settings and the "Open current pages" > > setting is as it should be, but somehow somewhere this damned > > DoSearches thing hijacks Chrome, and to make matters it has a popup > > in French that keeps asking me whether I want to apply for a green > > card. > > > > I guess that I could un-install Chrome and then re-install it > > afterwards, and see what happens. Any suggestions before I go that > > route? > > > > -- > > Arthur > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > -- > Arthur > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Sat Oct 19 16:16:01 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2013 15:16:01 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] HFT (High Frequency Trading) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <93068534.35829687.1382217361512.JavaMail.root@cds002> A very interesting article. I understand that big traders actually have their own direct connection to the stock exchange. The stock exchange now has routers with atomic clocks in them so they can manage trades intervals to a billionth of a second. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arthur Fuller" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2013 10:40:40 AM Subject: [dba-Tech] HFT (High Frequency Trading) There are several articles available over at queue.acm.org on HFT and the algorithms and hardware used to implement these systems. In one of them, *Barbarians at the Gateways*, former trader and HFT developer describes these systems and mentions some of the performance demands. There is a measurement called Tick to Trade Time, which consists of: 1. Receive a packet at the network interface. 2. Process the packet and run through the business logic of trading. 3. Send a trade packet back out on the network interface. Loveless says that when he began in 2003, the goal was a Tick to Trade time of under 10 milliseconds. By 2004, this was halved to under 5 milliseconds. By 2009 the requirement was under 1 millisecond. By this point programmers were rewriting kernels and using FPGAs (field programmable gate arrays). Fascinating reading. The URL is queue.acm.org/detail.cfm?id=2536492. -- Arthur _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Gustav at cactus.dk Sat Oct 19 16:17:58 2013 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2013 23:17:58 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 8.1 Message-ID: Hi Jim I don't know. The figures also varies a lot from country to country. The only safe bet, I guess, is that Windows 8 will adopt more because most new machines will have it preinstalled, and corporations will outphase WinXP at an increasing rate. /gustav >>> accessd at shaw.ca 19-10-13 20:59 >>> Hi Gustav and all: Here is an interesting set of figures about the current adoption rate of Windows8.x. There are no comments on the high-lights or short-comings of any product but it shows where the current market is now sitting. Of course some observations can be taken from the article and graph. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/10/18/windows8_adoption_versus_7/ Windows XP still is very dominant in market place but Windows 7 appears to be the heir apparent. Whether people will move on mass to Windows8.x is still a big question...so far the enthusiasm is less than stellar with only about a 8-9 percent adoption level compared to Win7's approximate 46 percent adoption. Some of the interesting figures shows Vista still lingering. Then there are the "Others" in the chart most likely Linux which until recently was ahead of Win8.x versions...considering that Linux has, until now a very limited access to user environment, little corporate user support and a zero advertising budget that is quite an accomplishment. What the future will bring for the Windows 8 product is still up in the air and whether it can turn around its fortunes is still up for debate. My bet is that Windows 7 will seize most of the corporate desktop/laptop market, say at about 50 percent, XP will linger on with about 10, equal to Win8 and the rest of the market will be filled with Linux and Macs. What are your predictions? Jim From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sat Oct 19 18:19:35 2013 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2013 19:19:35 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] DoSearches.com? In-Reply-To: <1615119607.35770038.1382210449918.JavaMail.root@cds002> References: <526269D6.18536.7349AC14@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <1615119607.35770038.1382210449918.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: I've noticed that more and more of these packages don't have a checkbox but just a Cancel button, which suggests not that you are declining installation of some toolbar but rather the installation of the program you intended to install. That is deception pure and simple. Arthur On Sat, Oct 19, 2013 at 3:20 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Hi Stuart: > > Agreed...but few standard users seem aware of this until its too late. > There has to be a real education campaign among most users as they appear > blissfully unaware of the dangers or even the checkbox. Some apps even have > a button that says something like; "Decline the install, yes or no". It is > not easy to know whether you are saying "no" to what you have downloaded or > is it referring to "extras". The last computer I worked on had two malware > applications that had to be removed, partly manually and two browsers that > had to be cleaned up. It was a real mess. > > Considering the client had just over looked the checkbox, I suspect made > to be confusing, as they were actually looking for it and the product they > were downloading was coming from a supposed well known legitimate site, > they were more than surprised. The malware was attached to the download by > the actual site operations. Very bad. > > I would like to see those sites banned until they clean up their act. > > Jim > From accessd at shaw.ca Sat Oct 19 19:32:55 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2013 18:32:55 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] DoSearches.com? In-Reply-To: <526125EE.3727.6E586413@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <693472073.35915904.1382229175218.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi Stuart: Thanks for the links. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stuart McLachlan" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Friday, October 18, 2013 5:13:34 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] DoSearches.com? http://www.anti-spyware-101.com/dosearches-com-removal or http://malwaretips.com/blogs/dosearches-com-virus/ On 18 Oct 2013 at 7:53, Arthur Fuller wrote: > Somewhere, somehow, something changed by gmail setup such that my > preferred set of tabs is ignored and this awful thing called > DoSearche.com has hijacked my Chrome startup. I hate this bloody > thing! I've looked in Chrome's settings and the "Open current pages" > setting is as it should be, but somehow somewhere this damned > DoSearches thing hijacks Chrome, and to make matters it has a popup in > French that keeps asking me whether I want to apply for a green card. > > I guess that I could un-install Chrome and then re-install it > afterwards, and see what happens. Any suggestions before I go that > route? > > -- > Arthur > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From peter.brawley at earthlink.net Sat Oct 19 19:22:52 2013 From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (peter.brawley at earthlink.net) Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2013 20:22:52 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 8.1 Message-ID: <8107521.1274917.1382228572253.JavaMail.portal@wapmail-coots.atl.sa.earthlink.net> But a very odd assumption. PB ---- Original Message ---- From: "John R Bartow" Reply-To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Date: 10/19/13 3:11 PM To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" Cc: Sub: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows 8.1 Oh, I did not know that you've used Windows at all. I had assumed you hadn't. With that assumption it's a fair question ;-) -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of peter.brawley at earthlink.net Sent: Friday, October 18, 2013 10:49 PM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com; dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows 8.1 Strange question. Been using Windows since Windows 1. Still learning *Nix too. Not interested in Apple OSes. PB ---- Original Message ---- From: "John R Bartow" Reply-To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Date: 10/18/13 10:38 PM To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" Cc: Sub: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows 8.1 LOL. How long did it take you to learn Linux? Or MacOS? -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of peter.brawley at earthlink.net Sent: Friday, October 18, 2013 7:40 PM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com; dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows 8.1 My wife runs win8. Not by choice---hernew laptop came with it 3 mos. ago. So far win has cost me about 15 hours. Ugh. PB ---- Original Message ---- From: "Gustav Brock" Reply-To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Date: 10/18/13 5:47 PM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Cc: Sub: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows 8.1 Hi Peter (and Jon) How sad and pessimistic can one be? You don't even run Windows 8 as far as I understand. That said, I'm happy to be able to download the ISO file as this really is a huge download. Also, I will run a clean install on a new disk and transfer what I need from the old. Not much really as I run off our Active Directory and all docs and files are stored on servers. It will be busy; Visual Studio 2013 final is ready for download too. It has to be the first "app" to be installed on my Win8.1 workstation. And the free Hyper-V Server 2012 R2 is out as well. A true gem - if you are not familiar with this, you now have a new priority one. MS rocks these days. /gustav PS: Jon, what's the trouble? Don't you install behind a firewall? >>> peter.brawley at earthlink.net 18-10-13 22:17 >>> On 2013-10-18 2:24 PM, Jon Tydda wrote: > Be careful: > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/10/17/windows_81_update_what_to_know > / > > I tried it last night and it asked me to uninstall my Anti-Virus > software - no chance. I'm also not going to want to uninstall any of > the other software either... Win8 looks like a bigger disaster than Vista. PB > > > Jon > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur > Fuller > Sent: 18 October 2013 19:07 > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows 8.1 > > Thanks, Gustav. I've been reading about the update and it looks as if > it's a significant improvement. > > A. > > > On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 2:03 PM, Gustav Brock wrote: > >> Hi Arthur >> >> Go to Store on the Start screen. It will splash a giant tile >> encouraging you to update. >> >> /gustav >> >>>>> fuller.artful at gmail.com 18-10-13 19:54 >>> >> Is this an automatic update or does one have to download it specifically? >> If so, should I just run Windows Update? If not, is there a specific URL? >> >> TIA, >> >> -- >> Arthur _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com ---- End Original Message ---- _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com ---- End Original Message ---- _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com ---- End Original Message ---- From accessd at shaw.ca Sat Oct 19 19:32:14 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2013 18:32:14 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 8.1 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <966190641.35915645.1382229134142.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi Gustav: One point that I would like to make is that Windows for many years was just the default OS, pre-installed on every PC and Laptop. It seems that now that Microsoft has entered the hardware business with its own line of equipment, because of this new business model, its traditional pre-loaded suppliers, Dell, HP, Lenovo and so on are less likely to default the windows OS. Things will most likely be much more difficult in the future for Windows adoption. I went to a one Box supplier the other day and was asked if I wanted Windows installed. Five years ago that question would never have been asked. I still think that in the future, Windows may hold a large percentage of the computer market but less than fifty percent...maybe much less. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gustav Brock" To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2013 2:17:58 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows 8.1 Hi Jim I don't know. The figures also varies a lot from country to country. The only safe bet, I guess, is that Windows 8 will adopt more because most new machines will have it preinstalled, and corporations will outphase WinXP at an increasing rate. /gustav >>> accessd at shaw.ca 19-10-13 20:59 >>> Hi Gustav and all: Here is an interesting set of figures about the current adoption rate of Windows8.x. There are no comments on the high-lights or short-comings of any product but it shows where the current market is now sitting. Of course some observations can be taken from the article and graph. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/10/18/windows8_adoption_versus_7/ Windows XP still is very dominant in market place but Windows 7 appears to be the heir apparent. Whether people will move on mass to Windows8.x is still a big question...so far the enthusiasm is less than stellar with only about a 8-9 percent adoption level compared to Win7's approximate 46 percent adoption. Some of the interesting figures shows Vista still lingering. Then there are the "Others" in the chart most likely Linux which until recently was ahead of Win8.x versions...considering that Linux has, until now a very limited access to user environment, little corporate user support and a zero advertising budget that is quite an accomplishment. What the future will bring for the Windows 8 product is still up in the air and whether it can turn around its fortunes is still up for debate. My bet is that Windows 7 will seize most of the corporate desktop/laptop market, say at about 50 percent, XP will linger on with about 10, equal to Win8 and the rest of the market will be filled with Linux and Macs. What are your predictions? Jim _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From hans.andersen at phulse.com Sat Oct 19 21:04:14 2013 From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen) Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2013 19:04:14 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 8.1 In-Reply-To: <966190641.35915645.1382229134142.JavaMail.root@cds002> References: <966190641.35915645.1382229134142.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: Not only that, but things could get very interesting when Valve finally releases their SteamOS. Many kids I've met say that the only reason they run windows is so they can play games. Otherwise, this young generation are perfectly fine doing most if not all things via their smart phones and tablets. This could seriously open the gates for many current windows users to switch to other platforms. Valve has already blessed Linux and that is a company that throws a tremendous amount of weight in the industry and are adored by gamers. Windows as a platform is rapidly becoming just another operating system. With the internet, web apps, platforms like steam, mobile, etc, there are fewer reasons to be loyal to any specific OS. Like you say, Jim - PC vendors are becoming keenly aware of this. - Hans > On Oct 19, 2013, at 5:32 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > > Hi Gustav: > > One point that I would like to make is that Windows for many years was just the default OS, pre-installed on every PC and Laptop. It seems that now that Microsoft has entered the hardware business with its own line of equipment, because of this new business model, its traditional pre-loaded suppliers, Dell, HP, Lenovo and so on are less likely to default the windows OS. > > Things will most likely be much more difficult in the future for Windows adoption. I went to a one Box supplier the other day and was asked if I wanted Windows installed. Five years ago that question would never have been asked. > > I still think that in the future, Windows may hold a large percentage of the computer market but less than fifty percent...maybe much less. > > Jim > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gustav Brock" > To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com > Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2013 2:17:58 PM > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows 8.1 > > Hi Jim > > I don't know. The figures also varies a lot from country to country. > The only safe bet, I guess, is that Windows 8 will adopt more because most new machines will have it preinstalled, and corporations will outphase WinXP at an increasing rate. > > /gustav > >>>> accessd at shaw.ca 19-10-13 20:59 >>> > Hi Gustav and all: > > Here is an interesting set of figures about the current adoption rate of Windows8.x. There are no comments on the high-lights or short-comings of any product but it shows where the current market is now sitting. Of course some observations can be taken from the article and graph. > > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/10/18/windows8_adoption_versus_7/ > > Windows XP still is very dominant in market place but Windows 7 appears to be the heir apparent. Whether people will move on mass to Windows8.x is still a big question...so far the enthusiasm is less than stellar with only about a 8-9 percent adoption level compared to Win7's approximate 46 percent adoption. Some of the interesting figures shows Vista still lingering. Then there are the "Others" in the chart most likely Linux which until recently was ahead of Win8.x versions...considering that Linux has, until now a very limited access to user environment, little corporate user support and a zero advertising budget that is quite an accomplishment. > > What the future will bring for the Windows 8 product is still up in the air and whether it can turn around its fortunes is still up for debate. My bet is that Windows 7 will seize most of the corporate desktop/laptop market, say at about 50 percent, XP will linger on with about 10, equal to Win8 and the rest of the market will be filled with Linux and Macs. > > What are your predictions? > > Jim > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sat Oct 19 22:01:05 2013 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2013 23:01:05 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 8.1 In-Reply-To: References: <966190641.35915645.1382229134142.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: Hans-Christian, I think you make some excellent points. We could very soon be looking at a market in which the only place Windows has any dominance is in offices -- and even there, given the BYOD phenomenon, that may not last much longer. I'd say that Windows Phone has very little chance against Android, and even though I like Windows 8 (and just upgraded to 8.1), I still spend a lot of time in Linux, partly because I have to, given Peter's and my book on MySQL, but also just because I want to know it better. Finally, I agree wholeheartedly with your point about Steam and young gamers. The only reason they have to run Windows is about to go away. And as a result, gaming computers will get cheaper since their vendors won't have to bundle Windows. Arthur On Sat, Oct 19, 2013 at 10:04 PM, Hans-Christian Andersen < hans.andersen at phulse.com> wrote: > Not only that, but things could get very interesting when Valve finally > releases their SteamOS. Many kids I've met say that the only reason they > run windows is so they can play games. Otherwise, this young generation are > perfectly fine doing most if not all things via their smart phones and > tablets. > > This could seriously open the gates for many current windows users to > switch to other platforms. Valve has already blessed Linux and that is a > company that throws a tremendous amount of weight in the industry and are > adored by gamers. > > Windows as a platform is rapidly becoming just another operating system. > With the internet, web apps, platforms like steam, mobile, etc, there are > fewer reasons to be loyal to any specific OS. Like you say, Jim - PC > vendors are becoming keenly aware of this. > > - Hans > > > From garykjos at gmail.com Sun Oct 20 01:54:25 2013 From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2013 01:54:25 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 8.1 In-Reply-To: <607FD8EA35CC4041954BC8A315077944@HAL9007> References: <1824840775.35490617.1382181700813.JavaMail.root@cds002> <607FD8EA35CC4041954BC8A315077944@HAL9007> Message-ID: Yes at home. Standard speed. It's all bundled with TV and phone so I don't remember exactly what the Internet access alone costs. I think $60 a month. They get you started with lower rates with the bundle and then after a year they go back to regular rates. I had to replace the modem a couple months back in order to DOUBLE the speed. I rent the modem from them so it was just a matter of having them send the replacement and then hooking it up. It's combined with a router now too and a gigabit switch. At first I wasn't happy about replacing my router with theirs until I found out about the gigabit switch part then I went along with it. Sorry Stuart ;-) GK On Sat, Oct 19, 2013 at 7:45 AM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > That's huge! that's at home? What do you pay per month for that speed? > Are you paying a premium for higher speed or is that the standard rate? > > R > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos > Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2013 5:15 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows 8.1 > > I got 59.17 Mbps down and 12.10 up. Not sure what my ISP (Comcast) claims. > It seems pretty quick and I guess it is. > > GK > > > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Sun Oct 20 06:22:21 2013 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2013 21:22:21 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 8.1 In-Reply-To: References: , <607FD8EA35CC4041954BC8A315077944@HAL9007>, Message-ID: <5263BCED.26801.78763ECD@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> $60? That will buy me a grand total of about 1GB of downloads. - Downloading the Windows 8.1 update will cost me three times that amount. (And that's after I've already paid a couple fo hundred dollars for the monthly connection fees at home and in the office) -- Stuart On 20 Oct 2013 at 1:54, Gary Kjos wrote: > Yes at home. Standard speed. It's all bundled with TV and phone so I > don't remember exactly what the Internet access alone costs. I think > $60 a month. They get you started with lower rates with the bundle and > then after a year they go back to regular rates. I had to replace the > modem a couple months back in order to DOUBLE the speed. I rent the > modem from them so it was just a matter of having them send the > replacement and then hooking it up. It's combined with a router now > too and a gigabit switch. At first I wasn't happy about replacing my > router with theirs until I found out about the gigabit switch part > then I went along with it. > > Sorry Stuart ;-) > > GK > > > > On Sat, Oct 19, 2013 at 7:45 AM, Rocky Smolin > wrote: > > > That's huge! that's at home? What do you pay per month for that > > speed? Are you paying a premium for higher speed or is that the > > standard rate? > > > > R > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary > > Kjos Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2013 5:15 AM To: Discussion of > > Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows 8.1 > > > > I got 59.17 Mbps down and 12.10 up. Not sure what my ISP (Comcast) > > claims. It seems pretty quick and I guess it is. > > > > GK > > > > > > > > > -- > Gary Kjos > garykjos at gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sun Oct 20 06:40:40 2013 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2013 07:40:40 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 8.1 In-Reply-To: <5263BCED.26801.78763ECD@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <607FD8EA35CC4041954BC8A315077944@HAL9007> <5263BCED.26801.78763ECD@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: Stuart, I knew there had to be a downside to PNG. :) On Sun, Oct 20, 2013 at 7:22 AM, Stuart McLachlan wrote: > $60? That will buy me a grand total of about 1GB of downloads. - > Downloading the Windows > 8.1 update will cost me three times that amount. > > (And that's after I've already paid a couple fo hundred dollars for the > monthly connection > fees at home and in the office) > > -- > Stuart > > > From marklbreen at gmail.com Sun Oct 20 08:43:51 2013 From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen) Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2013 14:43:51 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Chip terminology In-Reply-To: References: <402020813.35448726.1382172847733.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: Hello All, When I buy i5's, I only but the K models as they are the best to overclock. With a mild overclock on a machine last week, I recorded a CPU Win Experience Index of 8.3. I had an SSD also, and that was 8.2. The processor was the new i5 Haswell 4670K. This was the fastest PC I have ever built. Makes me wonder what the haswell i7 4770K is like. I have recently build a few PCs with these very fast I5 K processors overclocked to 4.4, 4.6 GHz and with only an SSD disk. The users have big smiles on their faces. FYI to Overclock I do the following 1) go into bios 2) change the multiplier from Auto 4.2 or 4.4 or 4.6 or 4.8 depending on what I want. 3) Save and exit I do nothing else, no messing around with voltages etc. The processor I had last week was hovering around 25 - 30 degrees Celsius with that overclock. I am thrilled with it, Mark On 19 October 2013 13:26, Gary Kjos wrote: > Not necessarily. I5's have either 2 or 4 cores according to all the spec > lists including Intel sites. Look it up yourself. > > All have 4 theads but some do it with two cores with two threads per core. > > GK > > On Saturday, October 19, 2013, Jim Lawrence wrote: > > An i5 intel should have 4 cores. > > > > Jim > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Arthur Fuller" > > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" < > dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com> > > Sent: Friday, October 18, 2013 5:51:31 AM > > Subject: [dba-Tech] Chip terminology > > > > Belarc Advisor tells me my laptop contains a 2.5 Gz Intel Core i5-3210M > > CPU. Beneath that it says Multi-core (2 total) > > Hyper-threaded (4 total) > > > > Which I take to mean that it's a dual-core chip, but I don't understand > > what the Hyper-threaded number means. Can someone clue me in? > > > > TIA, > > > > -- > > Arthur > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > -- > Gary Kjos > garykjos at gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From accessd at shaw.ca Sun Oct 20 12:30:52 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2013 11:30:52 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 8.1 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1013476518.36283923.1382290252389.JavaMail.root@cds002> Wow those speeds are quite incredible in comparison to the speeds I now have but unfortunately I just can not justify buying up into the broadband mode. My speeds are 24.12 Mbps download and 2.42 Mbps upload. Your rates give approximately a double download speed and about five times the upload speed. My ISP uses those variances to discourage the use of servers at a home site...they want a server user to pay up and those rates would be over $100.00 per month. My network is all Gigabit so in the unlikely circumstance that my ISP realizes the errors of their way I am fully ready to take advantage. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Kjos" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2013 11:54:25 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows 8.1 Yes at home. Standard speed. It's all bundled with TV and phone so I don't remember exactly what the Internet access alone costs. I think $60 a month. They get you started with lower rates with the bundle and then after a year they go back to regular rates. I had to replace the modem a couple months back in order to DOUBLE the speed. I rent the modem from them so it was just a matter of having them send the replacement and then hooking it up. It's combined with a router now too and a gigabit switch. At first I wasn't happy about replacing my router with theirs until I found out about the gigabit switch part then I went along with it. Sorry Stuart ;-) GK On Sat, Oct 19, 2013 at 7:45 AM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > That's huge! that's at home? What do you pay per month for that speed? > Are you paying a premium for higher speed or is that the standard rate? > > R > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos > Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2013 5:15 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows 8.1 > > I got 59.17 Mbps down and 12.10 up. Not sure what my ISP (Comcast) claims. > It seems pretty quick and I guess it is. > > GK > > > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Sun Oct 20 12:38:29 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2013 11:38:29 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] Chip terminology In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <2118764674.36289130.1382290709642.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi Mark: Ooooo...that sounds so nice. :-) I have been looking at a variety of laptops but it seems that none come with the i7 and a touch screen. I wonder why that is? Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Breen" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Sunday, October 20, 2013 6:43:51 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Chip terminology Hello All, When I buy i5's, I only but the K models as they are the best to overclock. With a mild overclock on a machine last week, I recorded a CPU Win Experience Index of 8.3. I had an SSD also, and that was 8.2. The processor was the new i5 Haswell 4670K. This was the fastest PC I have ever built. Makes me wonder what the haswell i7 4770K is like. I have recently build a few PCs with these very fast I5 K processors overclocked to 4.4, 4.6 GHz and with only an SSD disk. The users have big smiles on their faces. FYI to Overclock I do the following 1) go into bios 2) change the multiplier from Auto 4.2 or 4.4 or 4.6 or 4.8 depending on what I want. 3) Save and exit I do nothing else, no messing around with voltages etc. The processor I had last week was hovering around 25 - 30 degrees Celsius with that overclock. I am thrilled with it, Mark On 19 October 2013 13:26, Gary Kjos wrote: > Not necessarily. I5's have either 2 or 4 cores according to all the spec > lists including Intel sites. Look it up yourself. > > All have 4 theads but some do it with two cores with two threads per core. > > GK > > On Saturday, October 19, 2013, Jim Lawrence wrote: > > An i5 intel should have 4 cores. > > > > Jim > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Arthur Fuller" > > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" < > dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com> > > Sent: Friday, October 18, 2013 5:51:31 AM > > Subject: [dba-Tech] Chip terminology > > > > Belarc Advisor tells me my laptop contains a 2.5 Gz Intel Core i5-3210M > > CPU. Beneath that it says Multi-core (2 total) > > Hyper-threaded (4 total) > > > > Which I take to mean that it's a dual-core chip, but I don't understand > > what the Hyper-threaded number means. Can someone clue me in? > > > > TIA, > > > > -- > > Arthur > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > -- > Gary Kjos > garykjos at gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From peter.brawley at earthlink.net Sun Oct 20 13:04:37 2013 From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley) Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2013 13:04:37 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 8.1 In-Reply-To: References: <1824840775.35490617.1382181700813.JavaMail.root@cds002> <607FD8EA35CC4041954BC8A315077944@HAL9007> Message-ID: <52641B35.7020900@earthlink.net> On 2013-10-20 1:54 AM, Gary Kjos wrote: > Yes at home. Standard speed. It's all bundled with TV and phone so I don't > remember exactly what the Internet access alone costs. I think $60 a month. > They get you started with lower rates with the bundle and then after a year > they go back to regular rates. I had to replace the modem a couple months > back in order to DOUBLE the speed. I rent the modem from them so it was > just a matter of having them send the replacement and then hooking it up. > It's combined with a router now too and a gigabit switch. At first I wasn't > happy about replacing my router with theirs until I found out about the > gigabit switch part then I went along with it. That's a sensational deal for North America. What's the company? PB ----- > > Sorry Stuart ;-) > > GK > > > > On Sat, Oct 19, 2013 at 7:45 AM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > >> That's huge! that's at home? What do you pay per month for that speed? >> Are you paying a premium for higher speed or is that the standard rate? >> >> R >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos >> Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2013 5:15 AM >> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues >> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows 8.1 >> >> I got 59.17 Mbps down and 12.10 up. Not sure what my ISP (Comcast) claims. >> It seems pretty quick and I guess it is. >> >> GK >> >> >> > From accessd at shaw.ca Sun Oct 20 17:41:28 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2013 16:41:28 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] WireShark In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1615080914.36449380.1382308888549.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi All: For all of you still in the business, concerned and responsible about secure of clients, here is an OSS package worth investing time in. WireShark is probably the de-facto network protocol analyser tool out there and I have been vaguely aware of it and its name has been popping up a lot lately. Recently an old tech acquaintance from one of the local bank chains recommended this tool so finally I decided to take a look. Overview: WireShark has been continually upgraded for years and the number of people involved in its development are in the hundreds. I have been told that it can detect activity on any number of protocols, any number of ports, coming in and out on virtually any size of network. http://www.wireshark.org/ Has anyone here had any first hand experience using the tool in their networks? Jim From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Sun Oct 20 17:55:29 2013 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2013 08:55:29 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] WireShark In-Reply-To: <1615080914.36449380.1382308888549.JavaMail.root@cds002> References: , <1615080914.36449380.1382308888549.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: <52645F61.18792.7AF0AD25@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Yep, I've used it several times to track down infected machines on a network and to diagnose high internet usage. It's a permanent part of my toolbox. -- Stuart On 20 Oct 2013 at 16:41, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Hi All: > > For all of you still in the business, concerned and responsible about > secure of clients, here is an OSS package worth investing time in. > WireShark is probably the de-facto network protocol analyser tool out > there and I have been vaguely aware of it and its name has been > popping up a lot lately. Recently an old tech acquaintance from one of > the local bank chains recommended this tool so finally I decided to > take a look. > > Overview: WireShark has been continually upgraded for years and the > number of people involved in its development are in the hundreds. I > have been told that it can detect activity on any number of protocols, > any number of ports, coming in and out on virtually any size of > network. > > http://www.wireshark.org/ > > Has anyone here had any first hand experience using the tool in their > networks? > > Jim > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From accessd at shaw.ca Sun Oct 20 22:45:11 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2013 21:45:11 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] WireShark In-Reply-To: <52645F61.18792.7AF0AD25@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <2067068498.36611568.1382327111897.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi Stuart: If I need any help with using the product can I count on you? Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stuart McLachlan" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Sunday, October 20, 2013 3:55:29 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] WireShark Yep, I've used it several times to track down infected machines on a network and to diagnose high internet usage. It's a permanent part of my toolbox. -- Stuart On 20 Oct 2013 at 16:41, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Hi All: > > For all of you still in the business, concerned and responsible about > secure of clients, here is an OSS package worth investing time in. > WireShark is probably the de-facto network protocol analyser tool out > there and I have been vaguely aware of it and its name has been > popping up a lot lately. Recently an old tech acquaintance from one of > the local bank chains recommended this tool so finally I decided to > take a look. > > Overview: WireShark has been continually upgraded for years and the > number of people involved in its development are in the hundreds. I > have been told that it can detect activity on any number of protocols, > any number of ports, coming in and out on virtually any size of > network. > > http://www.wireshark.org/ > > Has anyone here had any first hand experience using the tool in their > networks? > > Jim > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Mon Oct 21 01:04:11 2013 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2013 16:04:11 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] WireShark In-Reply-To: <2067068498.36611568.1382327111897.JavaMail.root@cds002> References: <52645F61.18792.7AF0AD25@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>, <2067068498.36611568.1382327111897.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: <5264C3DB.2688.7C792A58@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> I'm no expert, but I can make sense of a fair bit of the data. Feel free to call on me. -- Stuart On 20 Oct 2013 at 21:45, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Hi Stuart: > > If I need any help with using the product can I count on you? > > Jim > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stuart McLachlan" > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > Sent: Sunday, October 20, 2013 3:55:29 > PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] WireShark > > Yep, I've used it several times to track down infected machines on a > network and to diagnose high internet usage. > > It's a permanent part of my toolbox. > > -- > Stuart > > On 20 Oct 2013 at 16:41, Jim Lawrence wrote: > > > Hi All: > > > > For all of you still in the business, concerned and responsible > > about secure of clients, here is an OSS package worth investing time > > in. WireShark is probably the de-facto network protocol analyser > > tool out there and I have been vaguely aware of it and its name has > > been popping up a lot lately. Recently an old tech acquaintance from > > one of the local bank chains recommended this tool so finally I > > decided to take a look. > > > > Overview: WireShark has been continually upgraded for years and the > > number of people involved in its development are in the hundreds. I > > have been told that it can detect activity on any number of > > protocols, any number of ports, coming in and out on virtually any > > size of network. > > > > http://www.wireshark.org/ > > > > Has anyone here had any first hand experience using the tool in > > their networks? > > > > Jim > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From tinanfields at torchlake.com Mon Oct 21 09:25:53 2013 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2013 10:25:53 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Chip terminology In-Reply-To: <2118764674.36289130.1382290709642.JavaMail.root@cds002> References: <2118764674.36289130.1382290709642.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: <52653971.3090600@torchlake.com> Jim, My new Dell Inspiron 15R laptop has an i7 processor and a touch screen, a 1TB hard drive, 8GB of RAM, and 64-bit OS. TNF Tina Norris Fields tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com 231-322-2787 On 10/20/2013 1:38 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Hi Mark: > > Ooooo...that sounds so nice. :-) > > I have been looking at a variety of laptops but it seems that none come with the i7 and a touch screen. I wonder why that is? > > Jim > > From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Mon Oct 21 10:15:41 2013 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2013 08:15:41 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] (no subject) Message-ID: I posted a couple of weeks ago that my display is wonky but I've been living with it from day to day because I don't want to face the ultimate consequences - a total disk wipe and reload. Here's what happened - one day my displays (dual monitors - HDMI and DVI) just refused to light up. Testing them on a second machine showed they were still working so I thought it must be the video card. I got the machine back in limp mode by using one monitor in VGA and did a full backup using Norton Ghost. So I zipped down to Fry's got an MSI with Nvidia software. Had a hard time getting the software loaded but with terrible help from MSI I got the monitors up to the point where they were working but they did not display correctly. The desktop displays all colors correctly so the card was working correctly but any app would show no colors except for what it looks like just maybe embedded graphics. Access - no colors (except for a very few control - I can set the color on a line control. And it shows the color on an image control with the Picture pointing to a .png file (embedded). Browsers also show this lack of color and come links are hidden. So that's annoying. In Outlook, the folders down the left side are in yellow but everything else is pretty much black and white with a few grays. So all apps are failing to show colors except for some graphics. But again, the desktop icons are all correct. SO I think the card is working right. So, MSI tech tells me maybe the card is bad out of the box because he doesn't want to help me any more so back to Fry's I go to get a different card. But before I do I stick the old card in so at least I have a working machine. And what do you know - the HDMI and DVI ports are working. But still no colors. So I'm thinking that the card is OK - it's software. I uninstalled all the Nvidia stuff I could find including cleaning the registry, reinstalled the drivers for the original card (it came with the Dell XPS 830) but have not been able to correct the problem. I did a deep virus scan - nothing found. I tried to go back to a restore point - there was only one available (don't know why) and it failed to restore. I use Norton Ghost and have the whole drive backed up to an external HD with a date that I think means the problem may be in the backup. I have restored individual files from these backups so they work. But I have never done a whole system restore. My leading theory is that this is a software problem and there is a dll or a driver of some several files that are bad and if they could be found and replaced the problem would be fixed. But I don't know where to go form here. I have, I think for options in order if decreasing pain: 1. The nuclear option - wipe the disk and restore to out of the box state; reload all software, add-ons, etc, restore personal files. Not a pleasant prospect, but the backstop plan. ( I made the three DVD System Recovery Disks when I got the box. ) (Actually have a backup to the backup if System Restore from the DVDs fails, I've got a W7 Ultimate disk). This plan could take a couple of days, as you guys know. 2. Do a whole system restore from the Ghost backup. If it fails option 1 becomes operative. 3. Try restoring specific OS folders like the Windows/System 32 folder where the problem might lie. But for me, that just shooting in the dark. 4. Actually diagnose and repair the problem - and this would mean relying on you guys to come up with some ideas of what the problem might be. The video card is an AMD Radeon HD 6450 1GB DDR3. I suppose I could also take it to a desktop expert and pay for the fix. But my comps have been so reliable for the last 20 years, I don't really have anyone like that. Any ideas on this will be greatly appreciated. MTIA From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Mon Oct 21 10:20:16 2013 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2013 08:20:16 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Chip terminology In-Reply-To: <52653971.3090600@torchlake.com> References: <2118764674.36289130.1382290709642.JavaMail.root@cds002> <52653971.3090600@torchlake.com> Message-ID: <7B47DF1B8BF246C5826CFEAE22385046@HAL9007> I have 8GB RAM on my XPS 8300 but the meter never shows over 2-3 being used. Anybody know why? R -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris Fields Sent: Monday, October 21, 2013 7:26 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Chip terminology Jim, My new Dell Inspiron 15R laptop has an i7 processor and a touch screen, a 1TB hard drive, 8GB of RAM, and 64-bit OS. TNF Tina Norris Fields tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com 231-322-2787 On 10/20/2013 1:38 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Hi Mark: > > Ooooo...that sounds so nice. :-) > > I have been looking at a variety of laptops but it seems that none come with the i7 and a touch screen. I wonder why that is? > > Jim > > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Mon Oct 21 10:30:41 2013 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2013 08:30:41 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] (no subject) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5329ECACACEC4F089F7421EE8B634EAE@HAL9007> Wow, that didn't take long - the one guy I copied just called and had me change the theme - somehow, the visually impaired black and white theme had gotten selected. Desktop-->Personalize-->Select Aero Theme-->Black background I like and walla! Problem solved! I am happy! You need system help - email that guy - Bill Murphy - WMurphy at netsapien.com. He has two brilliant kids. Guess they come by it honestly. R -----Original Message----- From: dba-ot-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-ot-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Monday, October 21, 2013 8:16 AM To: 'Off Topic'; List; 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Cc: 'William Murphy' Subject: [dba-OT] (no subject) I posted a couple of weeks ago that my display is wonky but I've been living with it from day to day because I don't want to face the ultimate consequences - a total disk wipe and reload. Here's what happened - one day my displays (dual monitors - HDMI and DVI) just refused to light up. Testing them on a second machine showed they were still working so I thought it must be the video card. I got the machine back in limp mode by using one monitor in VGA and did a full backup using Norton Ghost. So I zipped down to Fry's got an MSI with Nvidia software. Had a hard time getting the software loaded but with terrible help from MSI I got the monitors up to the point where they were working but they did not display correctly. The desktop displays all colors correctly so the card was working correctly but any app would show no colors except for what it looks like just maybe embedded graphics. Access - no colors (except for a very few control - I can set the color on a line control. And it shows the color on an image control with the Picture pointing to a .png file (embedded). Browsers also show this lack of color and come links are hidden. So that's annoying. In Outlook, the folders down the left side are in yellow but everything else is pretty much black and white with a few grays. So all apps are failing to show colors except for some graphics. But again, the desktop icons are all correct. SO I think the card is working right. So, MSI tech tells me maybe the card is bad out of the box because he doesn't want to help me any more so back to Fry's I go to get a different card. But before I do I stick the old card in so at least I have a working machine. And what do you know - the HDMI and DVI ports are working. But still no colors. So I'm thinking that the card is OK - it's software. I uninstalled all the Nvidia stuff I could find including cleaning the registry, reinstalled the drivers for the original card (it came with the Dell XPS 830) but have not been able to correct the problem. I did a deep virus scan - nothing found. I tried to go back to a restore point - there was only one available (don't know why) and it failed to restore. I use Norton Ghost and have the whole drive backed up to an external HD with a date that I think means the problem may be in the backup. I have restored individual files from these backups so they work. But I have never done a whole system restore. My leading theory is that this is a software problem and there is a dll or a driver of some several files that are bad and if they could be found and replaced the problem would be fixed. But I don't know where to go form here. I have, I think for options in order if decreasing pain: 1. The nuclear option - wipe the disk and restore to out of the box state; reload all software, add-ons, etc, restore personal files. Not a pleasant prospect, but the backstop plan. ( I made the three DVD System Recovery Disks when I got the box. ) (Actually have a backup to the backup if System Restore from the DVDs fails, I've got a W7 Ultimate disk). This plan could take a couple of days, as you guys know. 2. Do a whole system restore from the Ghost backup. If it fails option 1 becomes operative. 3. Try restoring specific OS folders like the Windows/System 32 folder where the problem might lie. But for me, that just shooting in the dark. 4. Actually diagnose and repair the problem - and this would mean relying on you guys to come up with some ideas of what the problem might be. The video card is an AMD Radeon HD 6450 1GB DDR3. I suppose I could also take it to a desktop expert and pay for the fix. But my comps have been so reliable for the last 20 years, I don't really have anyone like that. Any ideas on this will be greatly appreciated. MTIA _______________________________________________ dba-OT mailing list dba-OT at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-ot Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Oct 21 14:01:52 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2013 13:01:52 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] Chip terminology In-Reply-To: <52653971.3090600@torchlake.com> Message-ID: <1580749374.37217736.1382382112599.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi Tina: Do I look green from there? ;-) Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tina Norris Fields" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Monday, October 21, 2013 7:25:53 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Chip terminology Jim, My new Dell Inspiron 15R laptop has an i7 processor and a touch screen, a 1TB hard drive, 8GB of RAM, and 64-bit OS. TNF Tina Norris Fields tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com 231-322-2787 On 10/20/2013 1:38 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Hi Mark: > > Ooooo...that sounds so nice. :-) > > I have been looking at a variety of laptops but it seems that none come with the i7 and a touch screen. I wonder why that is? > > Jim > > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Oct 21 14:22:37 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2013 13:22:37 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] Sold In-Reply-To: <7B47DF1B8BF246C5826CFEAE22385046@HAL9007> Message-ID: <1435176530.37242304.1382383357396.JavaMail.root@cds002> About a month ago one of our neighbours sold their house. Upon checking, it had sold for about 250K below market value and we wondered why. It is a fairly large house with five bedrooms and three bathrooms. We have never been in the house other than in the entrance and in the kitchen which we entered from the back porch. The new neighbours have moved in and as they reported the house has had major smoke damage...the previous people smoked inside the house. To that end the new people, a couple of teachers with two kids, have gutted the house. Every bathroom, the kitchen, the walls, all fixtures, the carpets and other flooring has ended up in dumpsters. Now they are removing all the windows and siding as well. Only the base frame will remain...I guess this what happens to a house that the owners did not well maintain for thirty years. It will probably cost the $250K the new owners saved to make the house livable again. Jim From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Oct 21 14:26:10 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2013 13:26:10 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <5329ECACACEC4F089F7421EE8B634EAE@HAL9007> Message-ID: <336094474.37247222.1382383570547.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi Rocky: Actually that is embarrassing but at this point who cares, problem solved. We all should have guessed it right away. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rocky Smolin" To: "Off Topic" , "List" , "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" Cc: "William Murphy" Sent: Monday, October 21, 2013 8:30:41 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] (no subject) Wow, that didn't take long - the one guy I copied just called and had me change the theme - somehow, the visually impaired black and white theme had gotten selected. Desktop-->Personalize-->Select Aero Theme-->Black background I like and walla! Problem solved! I am happy! You need system help - email that guy - Bill Murphy - WMurphy at netsapien.com. He has two brilliant kids. Guess they come by it honestly. R -----Original Message----- From: dba-ot-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-ot-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Monday, October 21, 2013 8:16 AM To: 'Off Topic'; List; 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Cc: 'William Murphy' Subject: [dba-OT] (no subject) I posted a couple of weeks ago that my display is wonky but I've been living with it from day to day because I don't want to face the ultimate consequences - a total disk wipe and reload. Here's what happened - one day my displays (dual monitors - HDMI and DVI) just refused to light up. Testing them on a second machine showed they were still working so I thought it must be the video card. I got the machine back in limp mode by using one monitor in VGA and did a full backup using Norton Ghost. So I zipped down to Fry's got an MSI with Nvidia software. Had a hard time getting the software loaded but with terrible help from MSI I got the monitors up to the point where they were working but they did not display correctly. The desktop displays all colors correctly so the card was working correctly but any app would show no colors except for what it looks like just maybe embedded graphics. Access - no colors (except for a very few control - I can set the color on a line control. And it shows the color on an image control with the Picture pointing to a .png file (embedded). Browsers also show this lack of color and come links are hidden. So that's annoying. In Outlook, the folders down the left side are in yellow but everything else is pretty much black and white with a few grays. So all apps are failing to show colors except for some graphics. But again, the desktop icons are all correct. SO I think the card is working right. So, MSI tech tells me maybe the card is bad out of the box because he doesn't want to help me any more so back to Fry's I go to get a different card. But before I do I stick the old card in so at least I have a working machine. And what do you know - the HDMI and DVI ports are working. But still no colors. So I'm thinking that the card is OK - it's software. I uninstalled all the Nvidia stuff I could find including cleaning the registry, reinstalled the drivers for the original card (it came with the Dell XPS 830) but have not been able to correct the problem. I did a deep virus scan - nothing found. I tried to go back to a restore point - there was only one available (don't know why) and it failed to restore. I use Norton Ghost and have the whole drive backed up to an external HD with a date that I think means the problem may be in the backup. I have restored individual files from these backups so they work. But I have never done a whole system restore. My leading theory is that this is a software problem and there is a dll or a driver of some several files that are bad and if they could be found and replaced the problem would be fixed. But I don't know where to go form here. I have, I think for options in order if decreasing pain: 1. The nuclear option - wipe the disk and restore to out of the box state; reload all software, add-ons, etc, restore personal files. Not a pleasant prospect, but the backstop plan. ( I made the three DVD System Recovery Disks when I got the box. ) (Actually have a backup to the backup if System Restore from the DVDs fails, I've got a W7 Ultimate disk). This plan could take a couple of days, as you guys know. 2. Do a whole system restore from the Ghost backup. If it fails option 1 becomes operative. 3. Try restoring specific OS folders like the Windows/System 32 folder where the problem might lie. But for me, that just shooting in the dark. 4. Actually diagnose and repair the problem - and this would mean relying on you guys to come up with some ideas of what the problem might be. The video card is an AMD Radeon HD 6450 1GB DDR3. I suppose I could also take it to a desktop expert and pay for the fix. But my comps have been so reliable for the last 20 years, I don't really have anyone like that. Any ideas on this will be greatly appreciated. MTIA _______________________________________________ dba-OT mailing list dba-OT at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-ot Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Mon Oct 21 18:07:17 2013 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2013 16:07:17 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Sold In-Reply-To: <1435176530.37242304.1382383357396.JavaMail.root@cds002> References: <7B47DF1B8BF246C5826CFEAE22385046@HAL9007> <1435176530.37242304.1382383357396.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: <11E739A34F72476CBBC9B1BF58EE7CF4@HAL9007> Wow. I assume the new buyers knew about that from the walk-through? R -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Monday, October 21, 2013 12:23 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Sold About a month ago one of our neighbours sold their house. Upon checking, it had sold for about 250K below market value and we wondered why. It is a fairly large house with five bedrooms and three bathrooms. We have never been in the house other than in the entrance and in the kitchen which we entered from the back porch. The new neighbours have moved in and as they reported the house has had major smoke damage...the previous people smoked inside the house. To that end the new people, a couple of teachers with two kids, have gutted the house. Every bathroom, the kitchen, the walls, all fixtures, the carpets and other flooring has ended up in dumpsters. Now they are removing all the windows and siding as well. Only the base frame will remain...I guess this what happens to a house that the owners did not well maintain for thirty years. It will probably cost the $250K the new owners saved to make the house livable again. Jim _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Tue Oct 22 03:12:45 2013 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2013 04:12:45 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Chip terminology In-Reply-To: <1580749374.37217736.1382382112599.JavaMail.root@cds002> References: <52653971.3090600@torchlake.com> <1580749374.37217736.1382382112599.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: Rock, Clearly you have not achieved the higher levels of the games you play. Else you would be consuming many more instructions per second explaining things to your wife, like why you are compelled to be plucking bass strings when you really ought to be paying attention to her! But no! You're off in the mid-day hours allegedly playing alleged jazz. Oh, fine. Fine. Fine. :) On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 3:01 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Hi Tina: > > Do I look green from there? ;-) > > Jim > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tina Norris Fields" > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" < > dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com> > Sent: Monday, October 21, 2013 7:25:53 AM > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Chip terminology > > Jim, > My new Dell Inspiron 15R laptop has an i7 processor and a touch screen, > a 1TB hard drive, 8GB of RAM, and 64-bit OS. > TNF > > Tina Norris Fields > tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com > 231-322-2787 > > On 10/20/2013 1:38 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > > Hi Mark: > > > > Ooooo...that sounds so nice. :-) > > > > I have been looking at a variety of laptops but it seems that none come > with the i7 and a touch screen. I wonder why that is? > > > > Jim > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Arthur From tinanfields at torchlake.com Tue Oct 22 06:35:49 2013 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2013 07:35:49 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Chip terminology In-Reply-To: <1580749374.37217736.1382382112599.JavaMail.root@cds002> References: <1580749374.37217736.1382382112599.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: <52666315.1030206@torchlake.com> Jim :-) Yeah, I like it, too. TNF Tina Norris Fields tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com 231-322-2787 On 10/21/2013 3:01 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Hi Tina: > > Do I look green from there? ;-) > > Jim > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tina Norris Fields" > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > Sent: Monday, October 21, 2013 7:25:53 AM > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Chip terminology > > Jim, > My new Dell Inspiron 15R laptop has an i7 processor and a touch screen, > a 1TB hard drive, 8GB of RAM, and 64-bit OS. > TNF > > Tina Norris Fields > tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com > 231-322-2787 > > On 10/20/2013 1:38 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: >> Hi Mark: >> >> Ooooo...that sounds so nice. :-) >> >> I have been looking at a variety of laptops but it seems that none come with the i7 and a touch screen. I wonder why that is? >> >> Jim >> >> > From fuller.artful at gmail.com Tue Oct 22 11:12:06 2013 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2013 12:12:06 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Chip terminology In-Reply-To: <52666315.1030206@torchlake.com> References: <1580749374.37217736.1382382112599.JavaMail.root@cds002> <52666315.1030206@torchlake.com> Message-ID: Rock (that's your new nickname, upon which I have bestowed you: the Rock is much more handsome than Rocky Balboa.) And besides, my fave bass player is not Mingus but rather Dave Holland. And there was this other guy, whose name I forget, and most of my albums are in storage so it would be a chore to look him up, but he was a black guy and he played electric bass ala Jimi Hendrix, almost like a Strat but in the bass register, With more than a little Funkadelic thrown in. Dammitol (I'm filing for a copyright on that name for an Alzheimer's remedy). I would assume that you know the person to whom I refer, given your penchant for the lower tones. Might I ask, Rock, are you also into cello? My fave cellist is/was Jacqueline du Pre, whom I have often cited as the Jimi Hendrix of cello. Her version of Beethoven's cello sonata Op. 69 No. 3 in A, accompanied by Stephen Bishop on piano, is the definitive version of said piece. Later on, when she fell in love with Danny Barenboim and they recorded the same piece, it fell very far short of her initial recording of same. Which, I suppose, summarizes my take on music. I have about 20 recordings of Beethoven's cello sonatas, and about the same number of Igor's The Rite of Spring. And in both cases, I can cite which one is the best, currently -- who knows what next week will reveal? I thought that I had the definitive version of the Bach Chaconne (from violin partita No. 2 in A), but then along comes this Korean girl who blew the doors off every previous recording. And then along comes Nicola Hall, a guitarist, who blew away every previous recording of Casal's transcription for guitar. I live and die for music of this quality. But lest you think I'm a classical snob, let me also assert that I have some other faves, in different genres: The Clash: London Calling and Sandanista Talking Heads: Remain in Light David Bowie: basically, everything The Ramones: basically, everything Bob Dylan: everything, but IMO the stellar achievement is "Visions of Johanna", which I deem the finest song written in the 20th century. Leonard Cohen: Yes he's Canadian and so am I but I seriously doubt that that measures into this vote. Just listen to his words and appreciate their concision. There's no finer songwriter on the planet. Arthur From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Tue Oct 22 12:01:09 2013 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2013 10:01:09 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Chip terminology In-Reply-To: References: <1580749374.37217736.1382382112599.JavaMail.root@cds002><52666315.1030206@torchlake.com> Message-ID: Art (better than Arthur - Arthur's a drunk; Art Garfunkel was one of the great folk artists of my generation; of course, there's Art Linkletter - a notorious anti-Semite...but I digress) Arthur: I came late to the bass - I always wanted to play bass but never listened to any really except very casually - but when listening to rock, I usually listened to the bass. So I got an electric about 8 years ago and fooled with it for a couple of years. Taught Max some bass - then he got in a band and I wasn't - so that seemed not right. SO I found a band and started playing classics and covers. But my real love was for jazz standards, so eventually I found a piano player and drummer who needed a bass and I learned the repertoire. About 2 years ago I lost my head and got into the upright - which is really the right instrument for the genre. I'm still pretty much of a hack string bassist - but I'm getting some paid gigs and nobody's throwing tomatoes. Had a great Dixieland gig Saturday at the Coronado Ferry Landing - outdoor gig - long - 3 sets. But we played really well. We've been together now for three years with some personnel changes but pretty stable now with 8 - and sounding more smooth, practiced, etc. But that's a hard band to book - 8 pieces and not many people want an 8 piece Dixieland band. So I guess it's all good. With retirement here, maybe I'll have the discipline to practice and improve my chops. But to answer the first question - I don't know who the bassist is you're trying to remember - I probably never heard him. Cello: yeah, when I listen to quartets I listen to the cello. Don't know why. Guess I just like the harmony. Feels good. That's all I can say - it feels good - just like the bass parts I play. Who know what goes on in the musical brain? But I'd love to try it. Maybe, again, with retirement, I'll give it a go. BTW - I read a book 'This Is Your Brain on Music' (Daniel Levitin) - fascinating and answered (or speculated answers) a lot of questions about music - why some sounds good, some doesn't, things like that. Recommend it if you're interested in the neurophysiology and psychology of music. r -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 9:12 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Chip terminology Rock (that's your new nickname, upon which I have bestowed you: the Rock is much more handsome than Rocky Balboa.) And besides, my fave bass player is not Mingus but rather Dave Holland. And there was this other guy, whose name I forget, and most of my albums are in storage so it would be a chore to look him up, but he was a black guy and he played electric bass ala Jimi Hendrix, almost like a Strat but in the bass register, With more than a little Funkadelic thrown in. Dammitol (I'm filing for a copyright on that name for an Alzheimer's remedy). I would assume that you know the person to whom I refer, given your penchant for the lower tones. Might I ask, Rock, are you also into cello? My fave cellist is/was Jacqueline du Pre, whom I have often cited as the Jimi Hendrix of cello. Her version of Beethoven's cello sonata Op. 69 No. 3 in A, accompanied by Stephen Bishop on piano, is the definitive version of said piece. Later on, when she fell in love with Danny Barenboim and they recorded the same piece, it fell very far short of her initial recording of same. Which, I suppose, summarizes my take on music. I have about 20 recordings of Beethoven's cello sonatas, and about the same number of Igor's The Rite of Spring. And in both cases, I can cite which one is the best, currently -- who knows what next week will reveal? I thought that I had the definitive version of the Bach Chaconne (from violin partita No. 2 in A), but then along comes this Korean girl who blew the doors off every previous recording. And then along comes Nicola Hall, a guitarist, who blew away every previous recording of Casal's transcription for guitar. I live and die for music of this quality. But lest you think I'm a classical snob, let me also assert that I have some other faves, in different genres: The Clash: London Calling and Sandanista Talking Heads: Remain in Light David Bowie: basically, everything The Ramones: basically, everything Bob Dylan: everything, but IMO the stellar achievement is "Visions of Johanna", which I deem the finest song written in the 20th century. Leonard Cohen: Yes he's Canadian and so am I but I seriously doubt that that measures into this vote. Just listen to his words and appreciate their concision. There's no finer songwriter on the planet. Arthur _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Tue Oct 22 12:03:43 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2013 11:03:43 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] Sold In-Reply-To: <11E739A34F72476CBBC9B1BF58EE7CF4@HAL9007> Message-ID: <604328085.38151481.1382461423039.JavaMail.root@cds002> I am sure that was the plan from the get-go. Meet the new owners yesterday, offered to help if they needed it. I also got a bunch of good pieces of the siding removed so I can put a new skirting around our back porch. All that is needed if for the pieces to be cut, painted and installed...it should be a two day job. It is a massive job. They have been dumping one 500 cu ft of waste container, a day, for almost a month now. They have also re-wired and plumbed the house, run in gas lines for the fire-places, added and removed walls...takes me back a few years. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rocky Smolin" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Monday, October 21, 2013 4:07:17 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Sold Wow. I assume the new buyers knew about that from the walk-through? R -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Monday, October 21, 2013 12:23 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Sold About a month ago one of our neighbours sold their house. Upon checking, it had sold for about 250K below market value and we wondered why. It is a fairly large house with five bedrooms and three bathrooms. We have never been in the house other than in the entrance and in the kitchen which we entered from the back porch. The new neighbours have moved in and as they reported the house has had major smoke damage...the previous people smoked inside the house. To that end the new people, a couple of teachers with two kids, have gutted the house. Every bathroom, the kitchen, the walls, all fixtures, the carpets and other flooring has ended up in dumpsters. Now they are removing all the windows and siding as well. Only the base frame will remain...I guess this what happens to a house that the owners did not well maintain for thirty years. It will probably cost the $250K the new owners saved to make the house livable again. Jim _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Tue Oct 22 12:09:37 2013 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2013 10:09:37 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Sold In-Reply-To: <604328085.38151481.1382461423039.JavaMail.root@cds002> References: <11E739A34F72476CBBC9B1BF58EE7CF4@HAL9007> <604328085.38151481.1382461423039.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: <7F05FFF6F04F466FA72E23A1E00142FB@HAL9007> Sounds like they bought it mostly for the land value - how much of the original house will there be? Foundation and Framing? r -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 10:04 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Sold I am sure that was the plan from the get-go. Meet the new owners yesterday, offered to help if they needed it. I also got a bunch of good pieces of the siding removed so I can put a new skirting around our back porch. All that is needed if for the pieces to be cut, painted and installed...it should be a two day job. It is a massive job. They have been dumping one 500 cu ft of waste container, a day, for almost a month now. They have also re-wired and plumbed the house, run in gas lines for the fire-places, added and removed walls...takes me back a few years. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rocky Smolin" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Monday, October 21, 2013 4:07:17 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Sold Wow. I assume the new buyers knew about that from the walk-through? R -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Monday, October 21, 2013 12:23 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Sold About a month ago one of our neighbours sold their house. Upon checking, it had sold for about 250K below market value and we wondered why. It is a fairly large house with five bedrooms and three bathrooms. We have never been in the house other than in the entrance and in the kitchen which we entered from the back porch. The new neighbours have moved in and as they reported the house has had major smoke damage...the previous people smoked inside the house. To that end the new people, a couple of teachers with two kids, have gutted the house. Every bathroom, the kitchen, the walls, all fixtures, the carpets and other flooring has ended up in dumpsters. Now they are removing all the windows and siding as well. Only the base frame will remain...I guess this what happens to a house that the owners did not well maintain for thirty years. It will probably cost the $250K the new owners saved to make the house livable again. Jim _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Tue Oct 22 12:43:56 2013 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2013 10:43:56 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Access on a tablet Message-ID: <262EBB28B9A24DF4A7C0EF69043930FD@HAL9007> Dear Lists: Is there a tablet comp that will run Access or at least a run-time access app? MTIA Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.bchacc.com www.e-z-mrp.com Skype: rocky.smolin From bill_patten at embarqmail.com Tue Oct 22 12:49:29 2013 From: bill_patten at embarqmail.com (Bill Patten) Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2013 10:49:29 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Access on a tablet In-Reply-To: <262EBB28B9A24DF4A7C0EF69043930FD@HAL9007> References: <262EBB28B9A24DF4A7C0EF69043930FD@HAL9007> Message-ID: <964629F41E814790B04FCD866D371FEA@BPCS> Yes, the Surface Pro B -----Original Message----- From: Rocky Smolin Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 10:43 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' ; List ; 'Off Topic' Subject: [dba-Tech] Access on a tablet Dear Lists: Is there a tablet comp that will run Access or at least a run-time access app? MTIA Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.bchacc.com www.e-z-mrp.com Skype: rocky.smolin _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Tue Oct 22 13:03:42 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2013 12:03:42 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] Sold In-Reply-To: <7F05FFF6F04F466FA72E23A1E00142FB@HAL9007> Message-ID: <1406237756.38234543.1382465022410.JavaMail.root@cds002> Yes, that is about it. It is a municipal code thing. There is one cost for building a new dwelling and a different, I suspect a lot cheaper cost, for a renovation. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rocky Smolin" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 10:09:37 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Sold Sounds like they bought it mostly for the land value - how much of the original house will there be? Foundation and Framing? r -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 10:04 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Sold I am sure that was the plan from the get-go. Meet the new owners yesterday, offered to help if they needed it. I also got a bunch of good pieces of the siding removed so I can put a new skirting around our back porch. All that is needed if for the pieces to be cut, painted and installed...it should be a two day job. It is a massive job. They have been dumping one 500 cu ft of waste container, a day, for almost a month now. They have also re-wired and plumbed the house, run in gas lines for the fire-places, added and removed walls...takes me back a few years. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rocky Smolin" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Monday, October 21, 2013 4:07:17 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Sold Wow. I assume the new buyers knew about that from the walk-through? R -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Monday, October 21, 2013 12:23 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Sold About a month ago one of our neighbours sold their house. Upon checking, it had sold for about 250K below market value and we wondered why. It is a fairly large house with five bedrooms and three bathrooms. We have never been in the house other than in the entrance and in the kitchen which we entered from the back porch. The new neighbours have moved in and as they reported the house has had major smoke damage...the previous people smoked inside the house. To that end the new people, a couple of teachers with two kids, have gutted the house. Every bathroom, the kitchen, the walls, all fixtures, the carpets and other flooring has ended up in dumpsters. Now they are removing all the windows and siding as well. Only the base frame will remain...I guess this what happens to a house that the owners did not well maintain for thirty years. It will probably cost the $250K the new owners saved to make the house livable again. Jim _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From mcp2004 at mail.ru Tue Oct 22 13:17:50 2013 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2013 22:17:50 +0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?Access_on_a_tablet?= In-Reply-To: <964629F41E814790B04FCD866D371FEA@BPCS> References: <262EBB28B9A24DF4A7C0EF69043930FD@HAL9007> <964629F41E814790B04FCD866D371FEA@BPCS> Message-ID: <1382465870.348890245@f307.i.mail.ru> Yes, Surface Pro 2 http://techcrunch.com/2013/10/21/a-closer-look-at-microsofts-new-surface-2-and-surface-pro-2-tablets/ But I guess MS Surface Tablet should be also able to run MS Access apps - the ones deployed using Office 365 located on "cloud" ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-N1Bv2gyg60 )?... -- Shamil Tuesday, October 22, 2013 10:49 AM -07:00 from "Bill Patten" : >Yes, the Surface Pro > >B > >-----Original Message----- >From: Rocky Smolin >Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 10:43 AM >To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' ; List ; 'Off Topic' >Subject: [dba-Tech] Access on a tablet > >Dear Lists: > >Is there a tablet comp that will run Access or at least a run-time access >app? > >MTIA > >Rocky Smolin >Beach Access Software >858-259-4334 >www.bchacc.com < http://www.bchacc.com/ > >www.e-z-mrp.com < http://www.e-z-mrp.com/ > >Skype: rocky.smolin > -- ???????????? ?????? From accessd at shaw.ca Tue Oct 22 13:35:13 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2013 12:35:13 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] Access on a tablet In-Reply-To: <964629F41E814790B04FCD866D371FEA@BPCS> Message-ID: <1615447490.38270185.1382466913615.JavaMail.root@cds002> Surprisingly enough that thought didn't even enter my mind. ;-) Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Patten" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 10:49:29 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Access on a tablet Yes, the Surface Pro B -----Original Message----- From: Rocky Smolin Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 10:43 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' ; List ; 'Off Topic' Subject: [dba-Tech] Access on a tablet Dear Lists: Is there a tablet comp that will run Access or at least a run-time access app? MTIA Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.bchacc.com www.e-z-mrp.com Skype: rocky.smolin _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From garykjos at gmail.com Tue Oct 22 14:47:38 2013 From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2013 14:47:38 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Sold In-Reply-To: <1406237756.38234543.1382465022410.JavaMail.root@cds002> References: <7F05FFF6F04F466FA72E23A1E00142FB@HAL9007> <1406237756.38234543.1382465022410.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: Here on most any waterfront property there are rules in place that you CAN'T build a new structure but you CAN do a remodel using the exact same footprint. They don't want people getting closer to the water. What constitutes a remodel probably varies somewhat from local to local. My brother essentially redid his entire home but had to leave some parts of the original building inside a couple walls or corners. I think the entire basement was left as well. To build new you have to have a lot more approvals from the department of natural resources etc but if it's a remodel then it's just normal building permits. They can't cut down or trim any trees within a certain number of feet from the shoreline either. Even if they are damaged. they have to get approval from the powers that be. He lives out in the country so no city rules apply. I think it's mostly the department of natural resources who are minding the rules there. GK On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 1:03 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Yes, that is about it. > > It is a municipal code thing. There is one cost for building a new > dwelling and a different, I suspect a lot cheaper cost, for a renovation. > > Jim > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rocky Smolin" > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" < > dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com> > Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 10:09:37 AM > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Sold > > Sounds like they bought it mostly for the land value - how much of the > original house will there be? Foundation and Framing? > > r > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence > Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 10:04 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Sold > > I am sure that was the plan from the get-go. > > Meet the new owners yesterday, offered to help if they needed it. I also > got > a bunch of good pieces of the siding removed so I can put a new skirting > around our back porch. All that is needed if for the pieces to be cut, > painted and installed...it should be a two day job. > > It is a massive job. They have been dumping one 500 cu ft of waste > container, a day, for almost a month now. They have also re-wired and > plumbed the house, run in gas lines for the fire-places, added and removed > walls...takes me back a few years. > > Jim > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rocky Smolin" > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > Sent: Monday, October 21, 2013 4:07:17 PM > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Sold > > Wow. I assume the new buyers knew about that from the walk-through? > > R > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence > Sent: Monday, October 21, 2013 12:23 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: [dba-Tech] Sold > > About a month ago one of our neighbours sold their house. > > Upon checking, it had sold for about 250K below market value and we > wondered > why. It is a fairly large house with five bedrooms and three bathrooms. We > have never been in the house other than in the entrance and in the kitchen > which we entered from the back porch. > > The new neighbours have moved in and as they reported the house has had > major smoke damage...the previous people smoked inside the house. To that > end the new people, a couple of teachers with two kids, have gutted the > house. Every bathroom, the kitchen, the walls, all fixtures, the carpets > and > other flooring has ended up in dumpsters. Now they are removing all the > windows and siding as well. Only the base frame will remain...I guess this > what happens to a house that the owners did not well maintain for thirty > years. > > It will probably cost the $250K the new owners saved to make the house > livable again. > > Jim > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com From jbartow at winhaven.net Tue Oct 22 17:19:32 2013 From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow) Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2013 17:19:32 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Image from SATA HD to SSD Message-ID: <013401cecf74$c8e6fbe0$5ab4f3a0$@winhaven.net> Is there anything special about imaging from SATA HDs to SSDs? TIA John B From fuller.artful at gmail.com Tue Oct 22 17:28:47 2013 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2013 18:28:47 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Chip terminology In-Reply-To: References: <1580749374.37217736.1382382112599.JavaMail.root@cds002> <52666315.1030206@torchlake.com> Message-ID: Rocky, It doesn't matter. I just thought of another profound bass player -- Charlie Haden, he of the Jazz Composers Orchestra Association and also the Liberation Music Orchestra (c.f. http://www.charliehadenmusic.com/music/liberation-music-orchestra). As for me, I never was a jazz player, but that can't stop me from loving it. My own niche is tabla (East Indian drums); I have taken lessons from three of the best tabla players in the world (Zakir Hussain, Swapan Chaudhuri and Ritesh Das) but despite that, I remain a terrible tabla player. Swapan, incidentally, is head instructor at the Ali Akbar College of Music in San Francisco (http://www.aacm.org/). I bought my second set of tabla there while Zakir was teaching. Strictly on a the level of personal taste, I like Swapan's way with the drums better. He's less showy and manages to keep it possible for you to know where he is, even in something complex like Himpalasi (17 beats divided 4-3-4-3-3). Tabla is definitely an acquired taste. That said, I have acquired a taste for it and can listen to it all day long. I'll check out the book you recommended. Thanks for the tip. If you want to hear great cello, look no further than Beethoven's Cello Sonata Op. 69 No. 3 in A, with Jackie duPre on cello and Stephen Bishop on piano. She also recorded this with her then-husband Daniel Barenboim, and by comparison that version SUCKS. I think she was about 19 when she made the former recording, and it stands as the finest recording of that piece, bar none. Later, Casals and Rostropovich and Yoyo Ma. Jackie was the Jimi Hendrix of cello. A. On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 1:01 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > Art (better than Arthur - Arthur's a drunk; Art Garfunkel was one of the > great folk artists of my generation; of course, there's Art Linkletter - a > notorious anti-Semite...but I digress) > > Arthur: > > I came late to the bass - I always wanted to play bass but never listened > to > any really except very casually - but when listening to rock, I usually > listened to the bass. So I got an electric about 8 years ago and fooled > with > it for a couple of years. Taught Max some bass - then he got in a band and > I > wasn't - so that seemed not right. SO I found a band and started playing > classics and covers. > > But my real love was for jazz standards, so eventually I found a piano > player and drummer who needed a bass and I learned the repertoire. About 2 > years ago I lost my head and got into the upright - which is really the > right instrument for the genre. I'm still pretty much of a hack string > bassist - but I'm getting some paid gigs and nobody's throwing tomatoes. > > Had a great Dixieland gig Saturday at the Coronado Ferry Landing - outdoor > gig - long - 3 sets. But we played really well. We've been together now > for three years with some personnel changes but pretty stable now with 8 - > and sounding more smooth, practiced, etc. But that's a hard band to book - > 8 pieces and not many people want an 8 piece Dixieland band. > > So I guess it's all good. With retirement here, maybe I'll have the > discipline to practice and improve my chops. > > But to answer the first question - I don't know who the bassist is you're > trying to remember - I probably never heard him. > > Cello: yeah, when I listen to quartets I listen to the cello. Don't know > why. Guess I just like the harmony. Feels good. That's all I can say - > it > feels good - just like the bass parts I play. Who know what goes on in the > musical brain? > > But I'd love to try it. Maybe, again, with retirement, I'll give it a go. > > BTW - I read a book 'This Is Your Brain on Music' (Daniel Levitin) - > fascinating and answered (or speculated answers) a lot of questions about > music - why some sounds good, some doesn't, things like that. Recommend it > if you're interested in the neurophysiology and psychology of music. > > r > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller > Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 9:12 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Chip terminology > > Rock (that's your new nickname, upon which I have bestowed you: the Rock is > much more handsome than Rocky Balboa.) And besides, my fave bass player is > not Mingus but rather Dave Holland. And there was this other guy, whose > name > I forget, and most of my albums are in storage so it would be a chore to > look him up, but he was a black guy and he played electric bass ala Jimi > Hendrix, almost like a Strat but in the bass register, With more than a > little Funkadelic thrown in. Dammitol (I'm filing for a copyright on that > name for an Alzheimer's remedy). I would assume that you know the person to > whom I refer, given your penchant for the lower tones. > > Might I ask, Rock, are you also into cello? My fave cellist is/was > Jacqueline du Pre, whom I have often cited as the Jimi Hendrix of cello. > Her version of Beethoven's cello sonata Op. 69 No. 3 in A, accompanied by > Stephen Bishop on piano, is the definitive version of said piece. Later on, > when she fell in love with Danny Barenboim and they recorded the same > piece, > it fell very far short of her initial recording of same. > > Which, I suppose, summarizes my take on music. I have about 20 recordings > of > Beethoven's cello sonatas, and about the same number of Igor's The Rite of > Spring. And in both cases, I can cite which one is the best, currently > -- who knows what next week will reveal? I thought that I had the > definitive > version of the Bach Chaconne (from violin partita No. 2 in A), but then > along comes this Korean girl who blew the doors off every previous > recording. And then along comes Nicola Hall, a guitarist, who blew away > every previous recording of Casal's transcription for guitar. > > I live and die for music of this quality. But lest you think I'm a > classical > snob, let me also assert that I have some other faves, in different genres: > > The Clash: London Calling and Sandanista Talking Heads: Remain in Light > David Bowie: basically, everything The Ramones: basically, everything Bob > Dylan: everything, but IMO the stellar achievement is "Visions of Johanna", > which I deem the finest song written in the 20th century. > Leonard Cohen: Yes he's Canadian and so am I but I seriously doubt that > that > measures into this vote. Just listen to his words and appreciate their > concision. There's no finer songwriter on the planet. > > Arthur > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Arthur From bill_patten at embarqmail.com Tue Oct 22 17:43:48 2013 From: bill_patten at embarqmail.com (Bill Patten) Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2013 15:43:48 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Image from SATA HD to SSD In-Reply-To: <013401cecf74$c8e6fbe0$5ab4f3a0$@winhaven.net> References: <013401cecf74$c8e6fbe0$5ab4f3a0$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: <5619EA85369B42A78F45EABDA1A2DE9C@BPCS> Other than turning off automatic defragers non that I can think of. Bill -----Original Message----- From: John R Bartow Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 3:19 PM To: DBA-Tech Subject: [dba-Tech] Image from SATA HD to SSD Is there anything special about imaging from SATA HDs to SSDs? TIA John B _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Tue Oct 22 17:56:26 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2013 16:56:26 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] Sold In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <946828605.38540894.1382482586049.JavaMail.root@cds002> It does seem that these restrictions are all over...they must all be reading from the same books. It is just like you said here as well especially along the sea shore. The cost of the house and property is just part of the expense. Some inspector has to come out from Ottawa (probably is already stationed here) and then the folks living on the shoreline pay an additional federal property tax. It does not seem to discourage many as people seem happy to pay many millions just to have a few feet of sea frontage. (Maybe if I win that lotto...but I will have to eventually buy a ticket, first.) Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Kjos" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 12:47:38 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Sold Here on most any waterfront property there are rules in place that you CAN'T build a new structure but you CAN do a remodel using the exact same footprint. They don't want people getting closer to the water. What constitutes a remodel probably varies somewhat from local to local. My brother essentially redid his entire home but had to leave some parts of the original building inside a couple walls or corners. I think the entire basement was left as well. To build new you have to have a lot more approvals from the department of natural resources etc but if it's a remodel then it's just normal building permits. They can't cut down or trim any trees within a certain number of feet from the shoreline either. Even if they are damaged. they have to get approval from the powers that be. He lives out in the country so no city rules apply. I think it's mostly the department of natural resources who are minding the rules there. GK On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 1:03 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Yes, that is about it. > > It is a municipal code thing. There is one cost for building a new > dwelling and a different, I suspect a lot cheaper cost, for a renovation. > > Jim > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rocky Smolin" > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" < > dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com> > Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 10:09:37 AM > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Sold > > Sounds like they bought it mostly for the land value - how much of the > original house will there be? Foundation and Framing? > > r > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence > Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 10:04 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Sold > > I am sure that was the plan from the get-go. > > Meet the new owners yesterday, offered to help if they needed it. I also > got > a bunch of good pieces of the siding removed so I can put a new skirting > around our back porch. All that is needed if for the pieces to be cut, > painted and installed...it should be a two day job. > > It is a massive job. They have been dumping one 500 cu ft of waste > container, a day, for almost a month now. They have also re-wired and > plumbed the house, run in gas lines for the fire-places, added and removed > walls...takes me back a few years. > > Jim > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rocky Smolin" > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > Sent: Monday, October 21, 2013 4:07:17 PM > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Sold > > Wow. I assume the new buyers knew about that from the walk-through? > > R > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence > Sent: Monday, October 21, 2013 12:23 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: [dba-Tech] Sold > > About a month ago one of our neighbours sold their house. > > Upon checking, it had sold for about 250K below market value and we > wondered > why. It is a fairly large house with five bedrooms and three bathrooms. We > have never been in the house other than in the entrance and in the kitchen > which we entered from the back porch. > > The new neighbours have moved in and as they reported the house has had > major smoke damage...the previous people smoked inside the house. To that > end the new people, a couple of teachers with two kids, have gutted the > house. Every bathroom, the kitchen, the walls, all fixtures, the carpets > and > other flooring has ended up in dumpsters. Now they are removing all the > windows and siding as well. Only the base frame will remain...I guess this > what happens to a house that the owners did not well maintain for thirty > years. > > It will probably cost the $250K the new owners saved to make the house > livable again. > > Jim > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Tue Oct 22 19:25:33 2013 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2013 17:25:33 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Chip terminology In-Reply-To: References: <1580749374.37217736.1382382112599.JavaMail.root@cds002><52666315.1030206@torchlake.com> Message-ID: <9C8C5CEFA663451A95120D0DBC2BF02E@HAL9007> I'm partial to tabla myself. Especially when paired with sitar. And there's another instrument that makes up a trio but can't remember the name - three stringed thing, kid of quiet. I actually got a couple of sitar lessons passing through Kabul in my ill-spent youth. And while in India always sought out local sitar music. It was great fun. Still occasionally put on a raga. I find the music very restful - even the upbeat stuff. R -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 3:29 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Chip terminology Rocky, It doesn't matter. I just thought of another profound bass player -- Charlie Haden, he of the Jazz Composers Orchestra Association and also the Liberation Music Orchestra (c.f. http://www.charliehadenmusic.com/music/liberation-music-orchestra). As for me, I never was a jazz player, but that can't stop me from loving it. My own niche is tabla (East Indian drums); I have taken lessons from three of the best tabla players in the world (Zakir Hussain, Swapan Chaudhuri and Ritesh Das) but despite that, I remain a terrible tabla player. Swapan, incidentally, is head instructor at the Ali Akbar College of Music in San Francisco (http://www.aacm.org/). I bought my second set of tabla there while Zakir was teaching. Strictly on a the level of personal taste, I like Swapan's way with the drums better. He's less showy and manages to keep it possible for you to know where he is, even in something complex like Himpalasi (17 beats divided 4-3-4-3-3). Tabla is definitely an acquired taste. That said, I have acquired a taste for it and can listen to it all day long. I'll check out the book you recommended. Thanks for the tip. If you want to hear great cello, look no further than Beethoven's Cello Sonata Op. 69 No. 3 in A, with Jackie duPre on cello and Stephen Bishop on piano. She also recorded this with her then-husband Daniel Barenboim, and by comparison that version SUCKS. I think she was about 19 when she made the former recording, and it stands as the finest recording of that piece, bar none. Later, Casals and Rostropovich and Yoyo Ma. Jackie was the Jimi Hendrix of cello. A. On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 1:01 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > Art (better than Arthur - Arthur's a drunk; Art Garfunkel was one of > the great folk artists of my generation; of course, there's Art > Linkletter - a notorious anti-Semite...but I digress) > > Arthur: > > I came late to the bass - I always wanted to play bass but never > listened to any really except very casually - but when listening to > rock, I usually listened to the bass. So I got an electric about 8 > years ago and fooled with it for a couple of years. Taught Max some > bass - then he got in a band and I wasn't - so that seemed not right. > SO I found a band and started playing classics and covers. > > But my real love was for jazz standards, so eventually I found a piano > player and drummer who needed a bass and I learned the repertoire. > About 2 years ago I lost my head and got into the upright - which is > really the right instrument for the genre. I'm still pretty much of a > hack string bassist - but I'm getting some paid gigs and nobody's throwing tomatoes. > > Had a great Dixieland gig Saturday at the Coronado Ferry Landing - > outdoor gig - long - 3 sets. But we played really well. We've been > together now for three years with some personnel changes but pretty > stable now with 8 - and sounding more smooth, practiced, etc. But > that's a hard band to book - > 8 pieces and not many people want an 8 piece Dixieland band. > > So I guess it's all good. With retirement here, maybe I'll have the > discipline to practice and improve my chops. > > But to answer the first question - I don't know who the bassist is > you're trying to remember - I probably never heard him. > > Cello: yeah, when I listen to quartets I listen to the cello. Don't > know why. Guess I just like the harmony. Feels good. That's all I > can say - it feels good - just like the bass parts I play. Who know > what goes on in the musical brain? > > But I'd love to try it. Maybe, again, with retirement, I'll give it a go. > > BTW - I read a book 'This Is Your Brain on Music' (Daniel Levitin) - > fascinating and answered (or speculated answers) a lot of questions > about music - why some sounds good, some doesn't, things like that. > Recommend it if you're interested in the neurophysiology and psychology of music. > > r > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur > Fuller > Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 9:12 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Chip terminology > > Rock (that's your new nickname, upon which I have bestowed you: the > Rock is much more handsome than Rocky Balboa.) And besides, my fave > bass player is not Mingus but rather Dave Holland. And there was this > other guy, whose name I forget, and most of my albums are in storage > so it would be a chore to look him up, but he was a black guy and he > played electric bass ala Jimi Hendrix, almost like a Strat but in the > bass register, With more than a little Funkadelic thrown in. Dammitol > (I'm filing for a copyright on that name for an Alzheimer's remedy). I > would assume that you know the person to whom I refer, given your > penchant for the lower tones. > > Might I ask, Rock, are you also into cello? My fave cellist is/was > Jacqueline du Pre, whom I have often cited as the Jimi Hendrix of cello. > Her version of Beethoven's cello sonata Op. 69 No. 3 in A, accompanied > by Stephen Bishop on piano, is the definitive version of said piece. > Later on, when she fell in love with Danny Barenboim and they recorded > the same piece, it fell very far short of her initial recording of > same. > > Which, I suppose, summarizes my take on music. I have about 20 > recordings of Beethoven's cello sonatas, and about the same number of > Igor's The Rite of Spring. And in both cases, I can cite which one is > the best, currently > -- who knows what next week will reveal? I thought that I had the > definitive version of the Bach Chaconne (from violin partita No. 2 in > A), but then along comes this Korean girl who blew the doors off every > previous recording. And then along comes Nicola Hall, a guitarist, who > blew away every previous recording of Casal's transcription for > guitar. > > I live and die for music of this quality. But lest you think I'm a > classical snob, let me also assert that I have some other faves, in > different genres: > > The Clash: London Calling and Sandanista Talking Heads: Remain in > Light David Bowie: basically, everything The Ramones: basically, > everything Bob > Dylan: everything, but IMO the stellar achievement is "Visions of > Johanna", which I deem the finest song written in the 20th century. > Leonard Cohen: Yes he's Canadian and so am I but I seriously doubt > that that measures into this vote. Just listen to his words and > appreciate their concision. There's no finer songwriter on the planet. > > Arthur > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Arthur _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jbartow at winhaven.net Tue Oct 22 22:58:03 2013 From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow) Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2013 22:58:03 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Image from SATA HD to SSD In-Reply-To: <5619EA85369B42A78F45EABDA1A2DE9C@BPCS> References: <013401cecf74$c8e6fbe0$5ab4f3a0$@winhaven.net> <5619EA85369B42A78F45EABDA1A2DE9C@BPCS> Message-ID: <019201cecfa4$1315e030$3941a090$@winhaven.net> Thanks Bill, I wondered because there's a program for sale http://www.paragon-software.com/technologies/components/migrate-OS-to-SSD/ And I was wondering why it would be needed. I read up on it a bit and it apparently handles uEFI boot mode transfers intelligently so they don't get mucked up. And it can downsize the image to transfer to a smaller drive (I think most imagers can do that now - right?). But I have MBRs on both. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bill Patten Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 5:44 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Image from SATA HD to SSD Other than turning off automatic defragers non that I can think of. Bill -----Original Message----- From: John R Bartow Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 3:19 PM To: DBA-Tech Subject: [dba-Tech] Image from SATA HD to SSD Is there anything special about imaging from SATA HDs to SSDs? TIA John B _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From bill_patten at embarqmail.com Wed Oct 23 01:21:05 2013 From: bill_patten at embarqmail.com (Bill Patten) Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2013 23:21:05 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Image from SATA HD to SSD In-Reply-To: <019201cecfa4$1315e030$3941a090$@winhaven.net> References: <013401cecf74$c8e6fbe0$5ab4f3a0$@winhaven.net><5619EA85369B42A78F45EABDA1A2DE9C@BPCS> <019201cecfa4$1315e030$3941a090$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: John, I've converted several and usually use Acronis, I never checked, but I think if it was uFHI then the copy was uFHI but perhaps it did change them to MBR/NTFS. My current machine has a 256 SSD and it is MBR but it has been upgraded from Vista, then WIn7 and finally to Win8. I do not remember if I restored from a backup or cloned it. Acronis seems to adjust the size if you select automatic. I do remember that my daughter had a Win 8 machine for awhile and her WIndows Home Server would not back it up because it was uFHI. I checked my notes and one Windows 7 project I updated the clone process would not recognize the new SSD. My solution was to plug the SSD into my SATA USB adaptor and formatted it NTFS then used Disk Management to activate it and it worked fine. HTH, Bill -----Original Message----- From: John R Bartow Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 8:58 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Image from SATA HD to SSD Thanks Bill, I wondered because there's a program for sale http://www.paragon-software.com/technologies/components/migrate-OS-to-SSD/ And I was wondering why it would be needed. I read up on it a bit and it apparently handles uEFI boot mode transfers intelligently so they don't get mucked up. And it can downsize the image to transfer to a smaller drive (I think most imagers can do that now - right?). But I have MBRs on both. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bill Patten Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 5:44 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Image from SATA HD to SSD Other than turning off automatic defragers non that I can think of. Bill -----Original Message----- From: John R Bartow Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 3:19 PM To: DBA-Tech Subject: [dba-Tech] Image from SATA HD to SSD Is there anything special about imaging from SATA HDs to SSDs? TIA John B _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jbartow at winhaven.net Wed Oct 23 01:50:45 2013 From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow) Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 01:50:45 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Chkdsk log Message-ID: <01b401cecfbc$3333b0f0$999b12d0$@winhaven.net> Can anyone tell me what is wrong with this chkdks log? Level Date and Time Source Event ID Task Category Information 10/15/2013 8:07:13 PM Microsoft-Windows-Wininit 1001 None " Checking file system on C: The type of the file system is NTFS. Volume label is OS. A disk check has been scheduled. Windows will now check the disk. CHKDSK is verifying files (stage 1 of 5)... 186624 file records processed. File verification completed. 705 large file records processed. 0 bad file records processed. 2 EA records processed. 114 reparse records processed. CHKDSK is verifying indexes (stage 2 of 5)... 241520 index entries processed. Index verification completed. 0 unindexed files scanned. 0 unindexed files recovered. CHKDSK is verifying security descriptors (stage 3 of 5)... 186624 file SDs/SIDs processed. Cleaning up 439 unused index entries from index $SII of file 0x9. Cleaning up 439 unused index entries from index $SDH of file 0x9. Cleaning up 439 unused security descriptors. Security descriptor verification completed. 27449 data files processed. CHKDSK is verifying Usn Journal... 36543448 USN bytes processed. Usn Journal verification completed. CHKDSK is verifying file data (stage 4 of 5)... 186608 files processed. File data verification completed. CHKDSK is verifying free space (stage 5 of 5)... 51986679 free clusters processed. Free space verification is complete. Windows has checked the file system and found no problems. 302621695 KB total disk space. 94291204 KB in 140587 files. 83820 KB in 27450 indexes. 0 KB in bad sectors. 299951 KB in use by the system. 65536 KB occupied by the log file. 207946720 KB available on disk. 4096 bytes in each allocation unit. 75655423 total allocation units on disk. 51986680 allocation units available on disk. Internal Info: 00 d9 02 00 70 90 02 00 2d 9e 04 00 00 00 00 00 ....p...-....... 3a 21 00 00 72 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 :!..r........... d0 93 13 00 50 01 12 00 f8 20 12 00 00 00 12 00 ....P.... ...... Windows has finished checking your disk. Please wait while your computer restarts. " From jbartow at winhaven.net Wed Oct 23 12:11:30 2013 From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow) Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 12:11:30 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Image from SATA HD to SSD In-Reply-To: References: <013401cecf74$c8e6fbe0$5ab4f3a0$@winhaven.net><5619EA85369B42A78F45EABDA1A2DE9C@BPCS> <019201cecfa4$1315e030$3941a090$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: <00ae01ced012$eb1c4410$c154cc30$@winhaven.net> Thanks Bill, I have Acronis, I'll check it out. One other item of interest in their product literature was this: "The introduction of the latest HDDs and SSDs has created a new problem with volume alignment caused by changes in sector size. By changing the sector size from 512 bytes to 4 kilobytes, some traditional methods of disk partitioning have become obsolete and actually harmful. Unaligned partitions cause overall performance decline on new HDDs/SSDs. The lifespan of SSDs can be significantly reduced as a result of many redundant read/write operations caused by unaligned partitions. Using proper migration tools to copy volumes eliminates these problems. Paragon's Migrate OS to SSD component is alignment aware software that automatically places partitions according to defined 4K sectors, leaving system performance and SSD reliability unaffected." I wonder if Acronis does all of this too. Time for more research! John -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bill Patten Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2013 1:21 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Image from SATA HD to SSD John, I've converted several and usually use Acronis, I never checked, but I think if it was uFHI then the copy was uFHI but perhaps it did change them to MBR/NTFS. My current machine has a 256 SSD and it is MBR but it has been upgraded from Vista, then WIn7 and finally to Win8. I do not remember if I restored from a backup or cloned it. Acronis seems to adjust the size if you select automatic. I do remember that my daughter had a Win 8 machine for awhile and her WIndows Home Server would not back it up because it was uFHI. I checked my notes and one Windows 7 project I updated the clone process would not recognize the new SSD. My solution was to plug the SSD into my SATA USB adaptor and formatted it NTFS then used Disk Management to activate it and it worked fine. HTH, Bill -----Original Message----- From: John R Bartow Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 8:58 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Image from SATA HD to SSD Thanks Bill, I wondered because there's a program for sale http://www.paragon-software.com/technologies/components/migrate-OS-to-SSD/ And I was wondering why it would be needed. I read up on it a bit and it apparently handles uEFI boot mode transfers intelligently so they don't get mucked up. And it can downsize the image to transfer to a smaller drive (I think most imagers can do that now - right?). But I have MBRs on both. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bill Patten Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 5:44 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Image from SATA HD to SSD Other than turning off automatic defragers non that I can think of. Bill -----Original Message----- From: John R Bartow Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 3:19 PM To: DBA-Tech Subject: [dba-Tech] Image from SATA HD to SSD Is there anything special about imaging from SATA HDs to SSDs? TIA John B _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From bill_patten at embarqmail.com Wed Oct 23 14:45:08 2013 From: bill_patten at embarqmail.com (Bill Patten) Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 12:45:08 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Image from SATA HD to SSD In-Reply-To: <00ae01ced012$eb1c4410$c154cc30$@winhaven.net> References: <013401cecf74$c8e6fbe0$5ab4f3a0$@winhaven.net><5619EA85369B42A78F45EABDA1A2DE9C@BPCS> <019201cecfa4$1315e030$3941a090$@winhaven.net> <00ae01ced012$eb1c4410$c154cc30$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: <79EDB068FD9042CF84B3DB8A911B9720@BPCS> I have tested this a few times and it was always OK so I quit testing. To test you can use the following after loading the SSD from Whirlpool.net.au To check the alignment of your SSD's partition, it is quite simple. In windows 7, run msinfo32 by typing it into the search box on your start menu and hitting enter. click on: components => storage => disks Look for your SSD and check the partition starting offset. It needs to be divisible by 4096 (ie return a whole number when you divide by this) otherwise the alignment is not correct. Bill -----Original Message----- From: John R Bartow Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2013 10:11 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Image from SATA HD to SSD Thanks Bill, I have Acronis, I'll check it out. One other item of interest in their product literature was this: "The introduction of the latest HDDs and SSDs has created a new problem with volume alignment caused by changes in sector size. By changing the sector size from 512 bytes to 4 kilobytes, some traditional methods of disk partitioning have become obsolete and actually harmful. Unaligned partitions cause overall performance decline on new HDDs/SSDs. The lifespan of SSDs can be significantly reduced as a result of many redundant read/write operations caused by unaligned partitions. Using proper migration tools to copy volumes eliminates these problems. Paragon's Migrate OS to SSD component is alignment aware software that automatically places partitions according to defined 4K sectors, leaving system performance and SSD reliability unaffected." I wonder if Acronis does all of this too. Time for more research! John -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bill Patten Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2013 1:21 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Image from SATA HD to SSD John, I've converted several and usually use Acronis, I never checked, but I think if it was uFHI then the copy was uFHI but perhaps it did change them to MBR/NTFS. My current machine has a 256 SSD and it is MBR but it has been upgraded from Vista, then WIn7 and finally to Win8. I do not remember if I restored from a backup or cloned it. Acronis seems to adjust the size if you select automatic. I do remember that my daughter had a Win 8 machine for awhile and her WIndows Home Server would not back it up because it was uFHI. I checked my notes and one Windows 7 project I updated the clone process would not recognize the new SSD. My solution was to plug the SSD into my SATA USB adaptor and formatted it NTFS then used Disk Management to activate it and it worked fine. HTH, Bill -----Original Message----- From: John R Bartow Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 8:58 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Image from SATA HD to SSD Thanks Bill, I wondered because there's a program for sale http://www.paragon-software.com/technologies/components/migrate-OS-to-SSD/ And I was wondering why it would be needed. I read up on it a bit and it apparently handles uEFI boot mode transfers intelligently so they don't get mucked up. And it can downsize the image to transfer to a smaller drive (I think most imagers can do that now - right?). But I have MBRs on both. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bill Patten Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 5:44 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Image from SATA HD to SSD Other than turning off automatic defragers non that I can think of. Bill -----Original Message----- From: John R Bartow Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 3:19 PM To: DBA-Tech Subject: [dba-Tech] Image from SATA HD to SSD Is there anything special about imaging from SATA HDs to SSDs? TIA John B _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jbartow at winhaven.net Wed Oct 23 16:45:45 2013 From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow) Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 16:45:45 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Image from SATA HD to SSD In-Reply-To: <79EDB068FD9042CF84B3DB8A911B9720@BPCS> References: <013401cecf74$c8e6fbe0$5ab4f3a0$@winhaven.net><5619EA85369B42A78F45EABDA1A2DE9C@BPCS> <019201cecfa4$1315e030$3941a090$@winhaven.net> <00ae01ced012$eb1c4410$c154cc30$@winhaven.net> <79EDB068FD9042CF84B3DB8A911B9720@BPCS> Message-ID: <00ef01ced039$3bc45940$b34d0bc0$@winhaven.net> Great tip! Thanks Bill. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bill Patten Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2013 2:45 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Image from SATA HD to SSD I have tested this a few times and it was always OK so I quit testing. To test you can use the following after loading the SSD from Whirlpool.net.au To check the alignment of your SSD's partition, it is quite simple. In windows 7, run msinfo32 by typing it into the search box on your start menu and hitting enter. click on: components => storage => disks Look for your SSD and check the partition starting offset. It needs to be divisible by 4096 (ie return a whole number when you divide by this) otherwise the alignment is not correct. Bill -----Original Message----- From: John R Bartow Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2013 10:11 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Image from SATA HD to SSD Thanks Bill, I have Acronis, I'll check it out. One other item of interest in their product literature was this: "The introduction of the latest HDDs and SSDs has created a new problem with volume alignment caused by changes in sector size. By changing the sector size from 512 bytes to 4 kilobytes, some traditional methods of disk partitioning have become obsolete and actually harmful. Unaligned partitions cause overall performance decline on new HDDs/SSDs. The lifespan of SSDs can be significantly reduced as a result of many redundant read/write operations caused by unaligned partitions. Using proper migration tools to copy volumes eliminates these problems. Paragon's Migrate OS to SSD component is alignment aware software that automatically places partitions according to defined 4K sectors, leaving system performance and SSD reliability unaffected." I wonder if Acronis does all of this too. Time for more research! John -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bill Patten Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2013 1:21 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Image from SATA HD to SSD John, I've converted several and usually use Acronis, I never checked, but I think if it was uFHI then the copy was uFHI but perhaps it did change them to MBR/NTFS. My current machine has a 256 SSD and it is MBR but it has been upgraded from Vista, then WIn7 and finally to Win8. I do not remember if I restored from a backup or cloned it. Acronis seems to adjust the size if you select automatic. I do remember that my daughter had a Win 8 machine for awhile and her WIndows Home Server would not back it up because it was uFHI. I checked my notes and one Windows 7 project I updated the clone process would not recognize the new SSD. My solution was to plug the SSD into my SATA USB adaptor and formatted it NTFS then used Disk Management to activate it and it worked fine. HTH, Bill -----Original Message----- From: John R Bartow Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 8:58 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Image from SATA HD to SSD Thanks Bill, I wondered because there's a program for sale http://www.paragon-software.com/technologies/components/migrate-OS-to-SSD/ And I was wondering why it would be needed. I read up on it a bit and it apparently handles uEFI boot mode transfers intelligently so they don't get mucked up. And it can downsize the image to transfer to a smaller drive (I think most imagers can do that now - right?). But I have MBRs on both. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bill Patten Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 5:44 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Image from SATA HD to SSD Other than turning off automatic defragers non that I can think of. Bill -----Original Message----- From: John R Bartow Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 3:19 PM To: DBA-Tech Subject: [dba-Tech] Image from SATA HD to SSD Is there anything special about imaging from SATA HDs to SSDs? TIA John B _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Wed Oct 23 19:59:34 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 18:59:34 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] Chkdsk log In-Reply-To: <01b401cecfbc$3333b0f0$999b12d0$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: <1441459315.39735052.1382576374483.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi John: Is this a trick question. ;-) The following list seems to indicate a drive that is very clean...no major failures or indications that some process has left orphaned blocks or corrupted indexes. About 300GB and only one partition. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "John R Bartow" To: "DBA-Tech" Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 11:50:45 PM Subject: [dba-Tech] Chkdsk log Can anyone tell me what is wrong with this chkdks log? Level Date and Time Source Event ID Task Category Information 10/15/2013 8:07:13 PM Microsoft-Windows-Wininit 1001 None " Checking file system on C: The type of the file system is NTFS. Volume label is OS. A disk check has been scheduled. Windows will now check the disk. CHKDSK is verifying files (stage 1 of 5)... 186624 file records processed. File verification completed. 705 large file records processed. 0 bad file records processed. 2 EA records processed. 114 reparse records processed. CHKDSK is verifying indexes (stage 2 of 5)... 241520 index entries processed. Index verification completed. 0 unindexed files scanned. 0 unindexed files recovered. CHKDSK is verifying security descriptors (stage 3 of 5)... 186624 file SDs/SIDs processed. Cleaning up 439 unused index entries from index $SII of file 0x9. Cleaning up 439 unused index entries from index $SDH of file 0x9. Cleaning up 439 unused security descriptors. Security descriptor verification completed. 27449 data files processed. CHKDSK is verifying Usn Journal... 36543448 USN bytes processed. Usn Journal verification completed. CHKDSK is verifying file data (stage 4 of 5)... 186608 files processed. File data verification completed. CHKDSK is verifying free space (stage 5 of 5)... 51986679 free clusters processed. Free space verification is complete. Windows has checked the file system and found no problems. 302621695 KB total disk space. 94291204 KB in 140587 files. 83820 KB in 27450 indexes. 0 KB in bad sectors. 299951 KB in use by the system. 65536 KB occupied by the log file. 207946720 KB available on disk. 4096 bytes in each allocation unit. 75655423 total allocation units on disk. 51986680 allocation units available on disk. Internal Info: 00 d9 02 00 70 90 02 00 2d 9e 04 00 00 00 00 00 ....p...-....... 3a 21 00 00 72 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 :!..r........... d0 93 13 00 50 01 12 00 f8 20 12 00 00 00 12 00 ....P.... ...... Windows has finished checking your disk. Please wait while your computer restarts. " _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jbartow at winhaven.net Wed Oct 23 21:39:46 2013 From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow) Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 21:39:46 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Chkdsk log In-Reply-To: <1441459315.39735052.1382576374483.JavaMail.root@cds002> References: <01b401cecfbc$3333b0f0$999b12d0$@winhaven.net> <1441459315.39735052.1382576374483.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: <014f01ced062$4e103320$ea309960$@winhaven.net> Hi Jim, No, I just found this a bit troubling: Cleaning up 439 unused index entries from index $SII of file 0x9. Cleaning up 439 unused index entries from index $SDH of file 0x9. Cleaning up 439 unused security descriptors. John -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2013 8:00 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Chkdsk log Hi John: Is this a trick question. ;-) The following list seems to indicate a drive that is very clean...no major failures or indications that some process has left orphaned blocks or corrupted indexes. About 300GB and only one partition. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "John R Bartow" To: "DBA-Tech" Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 11:50:45 PM Subject: [dba-Tech] Chkdsk log Can anyone tell me what is wrong with this chkdks log? Level Date and Time Source Event ID Task Category Information 10/15/2013 8:07:13 PM Microsoft-Windows-Wininit 1001 None " Checking file system on C: The type of the file system is NTFS. Volume label is OS. A disk check has been scheduled. Windows will now check the disk. CHKDSK is verifying files (stage 1 of 5)... 186624 file records processed. File verification completed. 705 large file records processed. 0 bad file records processed. 2 EA records processed. 114 reparse records processed. CHKDSK is verifying indexes (stage 2 of 5)... 241520 index entries processed. Index verification completed. 0 unindexed files scanned. 0 unindexed files recovered. CHKDSK is verifying security descriptors (stage 3 of 5)... 186624 file SDs/SIDs processed. Cleaning up 439 unused index entries from index $SII of file 0x9. Cleaning up 439 unused index entries from index $SDH of file 0x9. Cleaning up 439 unused security descriptors. Security descriptor verification completed. 27449 data files processed. CHKDSK is verifying Usn Journal... 36543448 USN bytes processed. Usn Journal verification completed. CHKDSK is verifying file data (stage 4 of 5)... 186608 files processed. File data verification completed. CHKDSK is verifying free space (stage 5 of 5)... 51986679 free clusters processed. Free space verification is complete. Windows has checked the file system and found no problems. 302621695 KB total disk space. 94291204 KB in 140587 files. 83820 KB in 27450 indexes. 0 KB in bad sectors. 299951 KB in use by the system. 65536 KB occupied by the log file. 207946720 KB available on disk. 4096 bytes in each allocation unit. 75655423 total allocation units on disk. 51986680 allocation units available on disk. Internal Info: 00 d9 02 00 70 90 02 00 2d 9e 04 00 00 00 00 00 ....p...-....... 3a 21 00 00 72 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 :!..r........... d0 93 13 00 50 01 12 00 f8 20 12 00 00 00 12 00 ....P.... ...... Windows has finished checking your disk. Please wait while your computer restarts. " _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Wed Oct 23 23:13:04 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 22:13:04 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] Chkdsk log In-Reply-To: <014f01ced062$4e103320$ea309960$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: <403758274.39861415.1382587984160.JavaMail.root@cds002> According to Microsoft, describing a similar situation: "Just ignore these errors, there is no problem with the file system. If you have 4 million plus files or a Master File Table greater than 4GB then there is a known problem with security descriptors and a hotfix is available for Server 2003, for Windows XP the latest Service Pack supposedly fixes this. See here: The CHKDSK utility incorrectly identifies and deletes in-use security descriptors What you see is more likely the very same benign thing that Windows 2000 can also experience with chkdsk, it can be safely ignored. See here: Windows 2000 Chkdsk Reports Cleaning Unused Security Descriptors"...and so on. So no problem no worries. :-) Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "John R Bartow" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2013 7:39:46 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Chkdsk log Hi Jim, No, I just found this a bit troubling: Cleaning up 439 unused index entries from index $SII of file 0x9. Cleaning up 439 unused index entries from index $SDH of file 0x9. Cleaning up 439 unused security descriptors. John -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2013 8:00 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Chkdsk log Hi John: Is this a trick question. ;-) The following list seems to indicate a drive that is very clean...no major failures or indications that some process has left orphaned blocks or corrupted indexes. About 300GB and only one partition. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "John R Bartow" To: "DBA-Tech" Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 11:50:45 PM Subject: [dba-Tech] Chkdsk log Can anyone tell me what is wrong with this chkdks log? Level Date and Time Source Event ID Task Category Information 10/15/2013 8:07:13 PM Microsoft-Windows-Wininit 1001 None " Checking file system on C: The type of the file system is NTFS. Volume label is OS. A disk check has been scheduled. Windows will now check the disk. CHKDSK is verifying files (stage 1 of 5)... 186624 file records processed. File verification completed. 705 large file records processed. 0 bad file records processed. 2 EA records processed. 114 reparse records processed. CHKDSK is verifying indexes (stage 2 of 5)... 241520 index entries processed. Index verification completed. 0 unindexed files scanned. 0 unindexed files recovered. CHKDSK is verifying security descriptors (stage 3 of 5)... 186624 file SDs/SIDs processed. Cleaning up 439 unused index entries from index $SII of file 0x9. Cleaning up 439 unused index entries from index $SDH of file 0x9. Cleaning up 439 unused security descriptors. Security descriptor verification completed. 27449 data files processed. CHKDSK is verifying Usn Journal... 36543448 USN bytes processed. Usn Journal verification completed. CHKDSK is verifying file data (stage 4 of 5)... 186608 files processed. File data verification completed. CHKDSK is verifying free space (stage 5 of 5)... 51986679 free clusters processed. Free space verification is complete. Windows has checked the file system and found no problems. 302621695 KB total disk space. 94291204 KB in 140587 files. 83820 KB in 27450 indexes. 0 KB in bad sectors. 299951 KB in use by the system. 65536 KB occupied by the log file. 207946720 KB available on disk. 4096 bytes in each allocation unit. 75655423 total allocation units on disk. 51986680 allocation units available on disk. Internal Info: 00 d9 02 00 70 90 02 00 2d 9e 04 00 00 00 00 00 ....p...-....... 3a 21 00 00 72 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 :!..r........... d0 93 13 00 50 01 12 00 f8 20 12 00 00 00 12 00 ....P.... ...... Windows has finished checking your disk. Please wait while your computer restarts. " _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jbartow at winhaven.net Thu Oct 24 01:44:01 2013 From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow) Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2013 01:44:01 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Chkdsk log In-Reply-To: <403758274.39861415.1382587984160.JavaMail.root@cds002> References: <014f01ced062$4e103320$ea309960$@winhaven.net> <403758274.39861415.1382587984160.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: <017901ced084$6d599150$480cb3f0$@winhaven.net> Well, it was Win7 with a 300GB HD. But I'm going to ignore it :-) I think this machine was hit CryptoLocker Ransomware via an unprotected machine connecting to the network with full admin privileges. I don't know how I get these jobs. They have NO backup! I cleaned it up and told them to start digging through their emails for attachments because I'm sure that if they didn't have a backup they also never deleted anything for their outlook folders (it is probably all in the inbox yet!) Eye-yi-yi! -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2013 11:13 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Chkdsk log According to Microsoft, describing a similar situation: "Just ignore these errors, there is no problem with the file system. If you have 4 million plus files or a Master File Table greater than 4GB then there is a known problem with security descriptors and a hotfix is available for Server 2003, for Windows XP the latest Service Pack supposedly fixes this. See here: The CHKDSK utility incorrectly identifies and deletes in-use security descriptors What you see is more likely the very same benign thing that Windows 2000 can also experience with chkdsk, it can be safely ignored. See here: Windows 2000 Chkdsk Reports Cleaning Unused Security Descriptors"...and so on. So no problem no worries. :-) Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "John R Bartow" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2013 7:39:46 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Chkdsk log Hi Jim, No, I just found this a bit troubling: Cleaning up 439 unused index entries from index $SII of file 0x9. Cleaning up 439 unused index entries from index $SDH of file 0x9. Cleaning up 439 unused security descriptors. John -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2013 8:00 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Chkdsk log Hi John: Is this a trick question. ;-) The following list seems to indicate a drive that is very clean...no major failures or indications that some process has left orphaned blocks or corrupted indexes. About 300GB and only one partition. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "John R Bartow" To: "DBA-Tech" Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 11:50:45 PM Subject: [dba-Tech] Chkdsk log Can anyone tell me what is wrong with this chkdks log? Level Date and Time Source Event ID Task Category Information 10/15/2013 8:07:13 PM Microsoft-Windows-Wininit 1001 None " Checking file system on C: The type of the file system is NTFS. Volume label is OS. A disk check has been scheduled. Windows will now check the disk. CHKDSK is verifying files (stage 1 of 5)... 186624 file records processed. File verification completed. 705 large file records processed. 0 bad file records processed. 2 EA records processed. 114 reparse records processed. CHKDSK is verifying indexes (stage 2 of 5)... 241520 index entries processed. Index verification completed. 0 unindexed files scanned. 0 unindexed files recovered. CHKDSK is verifying security descriptors (stage 3 of 5)... 186624 file SDs/SIDs processed. Cleaning up 439 unused index entries from index $SII of file 0x9. Cleaning up 439 unused index entries from index $SDH of file 0x9. Cleaning up 439 unused security descriptors. Security descriptor verification completed. 27449 data files processed. CHKDSK is verifying Usn Journal... 36543448 USN bytes processed. Usn Journal verification completed. CHKDSK is verifying file data (stage 4 of 5)... 186608 files processed. File data verification completed. CHKDSK is verifying free space (stage 5 of 5)... 51986679 free clusters processed. Free space verification is complete. Windows has checked the file system and found no problems. 302621695 KB total disk space. 94291204 KB in 140587 files. 83820 KB in 27450 indexes. 0 KB in bad sectors. 299951 KB in use by the system. 65536 KB occupied by the log file. 207946720 KB available on disk. 4096 bytes in each allocation unit. 75655423 total allocation units on disk. 51986680 allocation units available on disk. Internal Info: 00 d9 02 00 70 90 02 00 2d 9e 04 00 00 00 00 00 ....p...-....... 3a 21 00 00 72 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 :!..r........... d0 93 13 00 50 01 12 00 f8 20 12 00 00 00 12 00 ....P.... ...... Windows has finished checking your disk. Please wait while your computer restarts. " _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From mcp2004 at mail.ru Thu Oct 24 03:34:42 2013 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2013 12:34:42 +0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?NOMAD_-_any_experience=3F?= Message-ID: <1382603682.487025564@f119.i.mail.ru> Hi All -- I'm not sure if I haven't had mentioned the following tool already here: http://vsnomad.com/how-works.html It looks good on first glance but I have no time to try it right now. Does anybody here have experience with it or similar tools? Thank you. -- ???????????? ?????? From mcp2004 at mail.ru Thu Oct 24 05:54:52 2013 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2013 14:54:52 +0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?You=27ve_asked_about_MS_Surface_tablet_-_her?= =?utf-8?b?ZSBpdCdzIDop?= Message-ID: <1382612092.370259328@f87.i.mail.ru> Microsoft erects a giant Surface tablet in the center of?London: http://www.theverge.com/2013/10/24/5023572/microsoft-giant-surface-trafalgar-square-london -- ???????????? ?????? From gustav at cactus.dk Thu Oct 24 06:27:21 2013 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2013 13:27:21 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] You've asked about MS Surface tablet - here it's :) Message-ID: <006a01ced0ac$0150d4f0$03f27ed0$@cactus.dk> Hi Shamil Great! (Pun intended). I never managed to obtain a Surface. But now I've just ordered my personal Surface 2 Pro. It should arrive Monday ... the weekend will be as the night before Christmas for a kid. /gustav -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Salakhetdinov Shamil Sendt: 24. oktober 2013 12:55 Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Emne: [dba-Tech] You've asked about MS Surface tablet - here it's :) Microsoft erects a giant Surface tablet in the center of London: http://www.theverge.com/2013/10/24/5023572/microsoft-giant-surface-trafalgar-square-london -- ???????????? ?????? From jason at purplecone.com Thu Oct 24 07:11:15 2013 From: jason at purplecone.com (Jason Strickland) Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2013 08:11:15 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] You've asked about MS Surface tablet - here it's :) In-Reply-To: <006a01ced0ac$0150d4f0$03f27ed0$@cactus.dk> References: <006a01ced0ac$0150d4f0$03f27ed0$@cactus.dk> Message-ID: Let me know what you think. I'm wanting to take the plunge on purchasing one as well. On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 7:27 AM, Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi Shamil > > Great! (Pun intended). > > I never managed to obtain a Surface. > But now I've just ordered my personal Surface 2 Pro. It should arrive > Monday ... the weekend will be as the night before Christmas for a kid. > > /gustav > > -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- > Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto: > dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Salakhetdinov Shamil > Sendt: 24. oktober 2013 12:55 > Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Emne: [dba-Tech] You've asked about MS Surface tablet - here it's :) > > > Microsoft erects a giant Surface tablet in the center of London: > > http://www.theverge.com/2013/10/24/5023572/microsoft-giant-surface-trafalgar-square-london > > > -- > ???????????? ?????? > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk Thu Oct 24 07:12:53 2013 From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid) Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2013 13:12:53 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] You've asked about MS Surface tablet - here it's :) In-Reply-To: References: <006a01ced0ac$0150d4f0$03f27ed0$@cactus.dk> Message-ID: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB082959C5B1735DA@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk> Been using an RT for some time. I like it compared to Ipad I prefer it. It is what it is really. Martin -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jason Strickland Sent: 24 October 2013 13:11 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] You've asked about MS Surface tablet - here it's :) Let me know what you think. I'm wanting to take the plunge on purchasing one as well. On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 7:27 AM, Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi Shamil > > Great! (Pun intended). > > I never managed to obtain a Surface. > But now I've just ordered my personal Surface 2 Pro. It should arrive > Monday ... the weekend will be as the night before Christmas for a kid. > > /gustav > > -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- > Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto: > dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Salakhetdinov > Shamil > Sendt: 24. oktober 2013 12:55 > Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Emne: [dba-Tech] You've asked about MS Surface tablet - here it's :) > > > Microsoft erects a giant Surface tablet in the center of London: > > http://www.theverge.com/2013/10/24/5023572/microsoft-giant-surface-tra > falgar-square-london > > > -- > ???????????? ?????? > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From mcp2004 at mail.ru Thu Oct 24 10:20:16 2013 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2013 19:20:16 +0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?You=27ve_asked_about_MS_Surface_tablet_-_her?= =?utf-8?b?ZSBpdCdzIDop?= In-Reply-To: <006a01ced0ac$0150d4f0$03f27ed0$@cactus.dk> References: <006a01ced0ac$0150d4f0$03f27ed0$@cactus.dk> Message-ID: <1382628014.596396815@f384.i.mail.ru> Hi Gustav, Yes, it's Great! (Pun is also intended.) Waiting for your review here next week... -- Shamil Thursday, October 24, 2013 1:27 PM +02:00 from "Gustav Brock" : >Hi Shamil > >Great! (Pun intended). > >I never managed to obtain a Surface. >But now I've just ordered my personal Surface 2 Pro. It should arrive Monday ... the weekend will be as the night before Christmas for a kid. > >/gustav > >-----Oprindelig meddelelse----- >Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Salakhetdinov Shamil >Sendt: 24. oktober 2013 12:55 >Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues >Emne: [dba-Tech] You've asked about MS Surface tablet - here it's :) > > >Microsoft erects a giant Surface tablet in the center of London: >http://www.theverge.com/2013/10/24/5023572/microsoft-giant-surface-trafalgar-square-london > > >-- >???????????? ?????? > > >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- ???????????? ?????? From accessd at shaw.ca Thu Oct 24 23:25:40 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2013 22:25:40 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] Chkdsk log In-Reply-To: <017901ced084$6d599150$480cb3f0$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: <1840939590.40989079.1382675140222.JavaMail.root@cds002> Format and re-install? Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "John R Bartow" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2013 11:44:01 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Chkdsk log Well, it was Win7 with a 300GB HD. But I'm going to ignore it :-) I think this machine was hit CryptoLocker Ransomware via an unprotected machine connecting to the network with full admin privileges. I don't know how I get these jobs. They have NO backup! I cleaned it up and told them to start digging through their emails for attachments because I'm sure that if they didn't have a backup they also never deleted anything for their outlook folders (it is probably all in the inbox yet!) Eye-yi-yi! -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2013 11:13 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Chkdsk log According to Microsoft, describing a similar situation: "Just ignore these errors, there is no problem with the file system. If you have 4 million plus files or a Master File Table greater than 4GB then there is a known problem with security descriptors and a hotfix is available for Server 2003, for Windows XP the latest Service Pack supposedly fixes this. See here: The CHKDSK utility incorrectly identifies and deletes in-use security descriptors What you see is more likely the very same benign thing that Windows 2000 can also experience with chkdsk, it can be safely ignored. See here: Windows 2000 Chkdsk Reports Cleaning Unused Security Descriptors"...and so on. So no problem no worries. :-) Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "John R Bartow" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2013 7:39:46 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Chkdsk log Hi Jim, No, I just found this a bit troubling: Cleaning up 439 unused index entries from index $SII of file 0x9. Cleaning up 439 unused index entries from index $SDH of file 0x9. Cleaning up 439 unused security descriptors. John -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2013 8:00 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Chkdsk log Hi John: Is this a trick question. ;-) The following list seems to indicate a drive that is very clean...no major failures or indications that some process has left orphaned blocks or corrupted indexes. About 300GB and only one partition. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "John R Bartow" To: "DBA-Tech" Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 11:50:45 PM Subject: [dba-Tech] Chkdsk log Can anyone tell me what is wrong with this chkdks log? Level Date and Time Source Event ID Task Category Information 10/15/2013 8:07:13 PM Microsoft-Windows-Wininit 1001 None " Checking file system on C: The type of the file system is NTFS. Volume label is OS. A disk check has been scheduled. Windows will now check the disk. CHKDSK is verifying files (stage 1 of 5)... 186624 file records processed. File verification completed. 705 large file records processed. 0 bad file records processed. 2 EA records processed. 114 reparse records processed. CHKDSK is verifying indexes (stage 2 of 5)... 241520 index entries processed. Index verification completed. 0 unindexed files scanned. 0 unindexed files recovered. CHKDSK is verifying security descriptors (stage 3 of 5)... 186624 file SDs/SIDs processed. Cleaning up 439 unused index entries from index $SII of file 0x9. Cleaning up 439 unused index entries from index $SDH of file 0x9. Cleaning up 439 unused security descriptors. Security descriptor verification completed. 27449 data files processed. CHKDSK is verifying Usn Journal... 36543448 USN bytes processed. Usn Journal verification completed. CHKDSK is verifying file data (stage 4 of 5)... 186608 files processed. File data verification completed. CHKDSK is verifying free space (stage 5 of 5)... 51986679 free clusters processed. Free space verification is complete. Windows has checked the file system and found no problems. 302621695 KB total disk space. 94291204 KB in 140587 files. 83820 KB in 27450 indexes. 0 KB in bad sectors. 299951 KB in use by the system. 65536 KB occupied by the log file. 207946720 KB available on disk. 4096 bytes in each allocation unit. 75655423 total allocation units on disk. 51986680 allocation units available on disk. Internal Info: 00 d9 02 00 70 90 02 00 2d 9e 04 00 00 00 00 00 ....p...-....... 3a 21 00 00 72 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 :!..r........... d0 93 13 00 50 01 12 00 f8 20 12 00 00 00 12 00 ....P.... ...... Windows has finished checking your disk. Please wait while your computer restarts. " _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Thu Oct 24 23:51:48 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2013 22:51:48 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] You've asked about MS Surface tablet - here it's :) In-Reply-To: <1382612092.370259328@f87.i.mail.ru> Message-ID: <491387559.41002290.1382676708150.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi Shamil: Is that ever neat. Is it a touch screen? Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2013 3:54:52 AM Subject: [dba-Tech] You've asked about MS Surface tablet - here it's :) Microsoft erects a giant Surface tablet in the center of?London: http://www.theverge.com/2013/10/24/5023572/microsoft-giant-surface-trafalgar-square-london -- ???????????? ?????? _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jbartow at winhaven.net Thu Oct 24 23:55:26 2013 From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow) Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2013 23:55:26 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Chkdsk log In-Reply-To: <1840939590.40989079.1382675140222.JavaMail.root@cds002> References: <017901ced084$6d599150$480cb3f0$@winhaven.net> <1840939590.40989079.1382675140222.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: <004001ced13e$6c3d5760$44b80620$@winhaven.net> Removing the infection is not the problem. Recovering the files is. They are encrypted with RSA 256 and since their network seems to be a free for all for whomever wants to connect with their POD I don't even know what machine was the culprit! If they don't implement my recommendations this is not going to be the last time something like this happens. Can't force them to do the right thing. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2013 11:26 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Chkdsk log Format and re-install? Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "John R Bartow" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2013 11:44:01 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Chkdsk log Well, it was Win7 with a 300GB HD. But I'm going to ignore it :-) I think this machine was hit CryptoLocker Ransomware via an unprotected machine connecting to the network with full admin privileges. I don't know how I get these jobs. They have NO backup! I cleaned it up and told them to start digging through their emails for attachments because I'm sure that if they didn't have a backup they also never deleted anything for their outlook folders (it is probably all in the inbox yet!) Eye-yi-yi! -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2013 11:13 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Chkdsk log According to Microsoft, describing a similar situation: "Just ignore these errors, there is no problem with the file system. If you have 4 million plus files or a Master File Table greater than 4GB then there is a known problem with security descriptors and a hotfix is available for Server 2003, for Windows XP the latest Service Pack supposedly fixes this. See here: The CHKDSK utility incorrectly identifies and deletes in-use security descriptors What you see is more likely the very same benign thing that Windows 2000 can also experience with chkdsk, it can be safely ignored. See here: Windows 2000 Chkdsk Reports Cleaning Unused Security Descriptors"...and so on. So no problem no worries. :-) Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "John R Bartow" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2013 7:39:46 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Chkdsk log Hi Jim, No, I just found this a bit troubling: Cleaning up 439 unused index entries from index $SII of file 0x9. Cleaning up 439 unused index entries from index $SDH of file 0x9. Cleaning up 439 unused security descriptors. John -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2013 8:00 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Chkdsk log Hi John: Is this a trick question. ;-) The following list seems to indicate a drive that is very clean...no major failures or indications that some process has left orphaned blocks or corrupted indexes. About 300GB and only one partition. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "John R Bartow" To: "DBA-Tech" Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 11:50:45 PM Subject: [dba-Tech] Chkdsk log Can anyone tell me what is wrong with this chkdks log? Level Date and Time Source Event ID Task Category Information 10/15/2013 8:07:13 PM Microsoft-Windows-Wininit 1001 None " Checking file system on C: The type of the file system is NTFS. Volume label is OS. A disk check has been scheduled. Windows will now check the disk. CHKDSK is verifying files (stage 1 of 5)... 186624 file records processed. File verification completed. 705 large file records processed. 0 bad file records processed. 2 EA records processed. 114 reparse records processed. CHKDSK is verifying indexes (stage 2 of 5)... 241520 index entries processed. Index verification completed. 0 unindexed files scanned. 0 unindexed files recovered. CHKDSK is verifying security descriptors (stage 3 of 5)... 186624 file SDs/SIDs processed. Cleaning up 439 unused index entries from index $SII of file 0x9. Cleaning up 439 unused index entries from index $SDH of file 0x9. Cleaning up 439 unused security descriptors. Security descriptor verification completed. 27449 data files processed. CHKDSK is verifying Usn Journal... 36543448 USN bytes processed. Usn Journal verification completed. CHKDSK is verifying file data (stage 4 of 5)... 186608 files processed. File data verification completed. CHKDSK is verifying free space (stage 5 of 5)... 51986679 free clusters processed. Free space verification is complete. Windows has checked the file system and found no problems. 302621695 KB total disk space. 94291204 KB in 140587 files. 83820 KB in 27450 indexes. 0 KB in bad sectors. 299951 KB in use by the system. 65536 KB occupied by the log file. 207946720 KB available on disk. 4096 bytes in each allocation unit. 75655423 total allocation units on disk. 51986680 allocation units available on disk. Internal Info: 00 d9 02 00 70 90 02 00 2d 9e 04 00 00 00 00 00 ....p...-....... 3a 21 00 00 72 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 :!..r........... d0 93 13 00 50 01 12 00 f8 20 12 00 00 00 12 00 ....P.... ...... Windows has finished checking your disk. Please wait while your computer restarts. " _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From mcp2004 at mail.ru Thu Oct 24 23:56:13 2013 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2013 08:56:13 +0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?You=27ve_asked_about_MS_Surface_tablet_-_her?= =?utf-8?b?ZSBpdCdzIDop?= In-Reply-To: <491387559.41002290.1382676708150.JavaMail.root@cds002> References: <1382612092.370259328@f87.i.mail.ru> <491387559.41002290.1382676708150.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: <1382676973.439347771@f128.i.mail.ru> HI Jim -- AFAIU - no. And ?"... A purple Type Cover 2 has been recreated, with keys that feed back to a Surface Pro 2 nearby. Microsoft is letting nearby school kids play on the keyboard with a spelling game. It?s all connected via USB and Micro HDMI and you can jump on the keys to control the input. The company has even built space around the keys so you can walk around them before you select the correct key to jump on. We tried the keyboard with the Twitter app for Windows 8, and it worked surprisingly well." -- Shamil Thursday, October 24, 2013 10:51 PM -06:00 from Jim Lawrence : >Hi Shamil: > >Is that ever neat. Is it a touch screen? > >Jim > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" < mcp2004 at mail.ru > >To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" < dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com > >Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2013 3:54:52 AM >Subject: [dba-Tech] You've asked about MS Surface tablet - here it's :) > > >Microsoft erects a giant Surface tablet in the center of?London: >http://www.theverge.com/2013/10/24/5023572/microsoft-giant-surface-trafalgar-square-london > > >-- >???????????? ?????? >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- ???????????? ?????? From hans.andersen at phulse.com Fri Oct 25 00:00:30 2013 From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen) Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2013 22:00:30 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] You've asked about MS Surface tablet - here it's :) In-Reply-To: <491387559.41002290.1382676708150.JavaMail.root@cds002> References: <491387559.41002290.1382676708150.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: At least you don't have to squint in order to read anything on the screen anymore. :p - Hans On Oct 24, 2013, at 9:51 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Hi Shamil: > > Is that ever neat. Is it a touch screen? > > Jim > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2013 3:54:52 AM > Subject: [dba-Tech] You've asked about MS Surface tablet - here it's :) > > > Microsoft erects a giant Surface tablet in the center of London: > http://www.theverge.com/2013/10/24/5023572/microsoft-giant-surface-trafalgar-square-london > > > -- > ???????????? ?????? > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Fri Oct 25 00:33:30 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2013 23:33:30 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] Apple Just Ended the Era of Paid Operating Systems In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1145027523.41019235.1382679210613.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi All: Whether Apple was the one that ended it or not is debatable but the era of the for profit OS is being squeezed to virtually nothing. http://www.wired.com/business/2013/10/apple-ends-paid-oses/#! Jim From mcp2004 at mail.ru Fri Oct 25 00:35:57 2013 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2013 09:35:57 +0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?The_new_Web_tracking=3A_You_never_see_it_com?= =?utf-8?q?ing?= Message-ID: <1382679357.101305394@f128.i.mail.ru> Yeah, that's a real privacy threat? "The new Web tracking: You never see it coming" http://www.infoworld.com/print/229440 -- ???????????? ?????? From hans.andersen at phulse.com Fri Oct 25 00:47:04 2013 From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen) Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2013 22:47:04 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Apple Just Ended the Era of Paid Operating Systems In-Reply-To: <1145027523.41019235.1382679210613.JavaMail.root@cds002> References: <1145027523.41019235.1382679210613.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: <6CF62FBE-0DC6-4F34-8640-04D0CC5C6067@phulse.com> Well, technically Apple started down this path with iOS a while back, but I think they realized it made sense to do it for the desktop. If you make your users pay for the OS on your machine, then you get fewer users updating to the latest software, which then becomes a pain for software developers and the architects of OS X. It makes sense for their business model and it makes sense in this internet age, where most things come through to us via a browser. The importance of the OS has become very secondary. It's just a user interface to launching a browser :) However, I kinda remember hearing a while back that Apple was forced to charge a small amount for iOS updates previously to avoid legal problems. Perhaps anti-trust issues or maybe patent laws or something like that. Maybe they've figured a way around that. I don't know for certain that this was the case though. - Hans On Oct 24, 2013, at 10:33 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Hi All: > > Whether Apple was the one that ended it or not is debatable but the era of the for profit OS is being squeezed to virtually nothing. > > http://www.wired.com/business/2013/10/apple-ends-paid-oses/#! > > Jim > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Fri Oct 25 00:49:49 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2013 23:49:49 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] Chkdsk log In-Reply-To: <004001ced13e$6c3d5760$44b80620$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: <133661936.41023787.1382680189313.JavaMail.root@cds002> It has been recommended by others (no first hand experience myself) that WireShark is a good product for tracking data flow around a network...Stewart has some experience with it. If the files are RSA or AES encrypted and you don't have the keys that is the way they will stay...the cypher is not breakable but anything other than brute-force...according to the current wisdom, a 128 bit encryption would take a supercomputer, the age of the universe to crack...256 is more so. ;-) Do they have a good router or have any router on their network? Nothing like a challenge... Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "John R Bartow" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2013 9:55:26 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Chkdsk log Removing the infection is not the problem. Recovering the files is. They are encrypted with RSA 256 and since their network seems to be a free for all for whomever wants to connect with their POD I don't even know what machine was the culprit! If they don't implement my recommendations this is not going to be the last time something like this happens. Can't force them to do the right thing. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2013 11:26 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Chkdsk log Format and re-install? Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "John R Bartow" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2013 11:44:01 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Chkdsk log Well, it was Win7 with a 300GB HD. But I'm going to ignore it :-) I think this machine was hit CryptoLocker Ransomware via an unprotected machine connecting to the network with full admin privileges. I don't know how I get these jobs. They have NO backup! I cleaned it up and told them to start digging through their emails for attachments because I'm sure that if they didn't have a backup they also never deleted anything for their outlook folders (it is probably all in the inbox yet!) Eye-yi-yi! -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2013 11:13 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Chkdsk log According to Microsoft, describing a similar situation: "Just ignore these errors, there is no problem with the file system. If you have 4 million plus files or a Master File Table greater than 4GB then there is a known problem with security descriptors and a hotfix is available for Server 2003, for Windows XP the latest Service Pack supposedly fixes this. See here: The CHKDSK utility incorrectly identifies and deletes in-use security descriptors What you see is more likely the very same benign thing that Windows 2000 can also experience with chkdsk, it can be safely ignored. See here: Windows 2000 Chkdsk Reports Cleaning Unused Security Descriptors"...and so on. So no problem no worries. :-) Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "John R Bartow" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2013 7:39:46 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Chkdsk log Hi Jim, No, I just found this a bit troubling: Cleaning up 439 unused index entries from index $SII of file 0x9. Cleaning up 439 unused index entries from index $SDH of file 0x9. Cleaning up 439 unused security descriptors. John -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2013 8:00 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Chkdsk log Hi John: Is this a trick question. ;-) The following list seems to indicate a drive that is very clean...no major failures or indications that some process has left orphaned blocks or corrupted indexes. About 300GB and only one partition. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "John R Bartow" To: "DBA-Tech" Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 11:50:45 PM Subject: [dba-Tech] Chkdsk log Can anyone tell me what is wrong with this chkdks log? Level Date and Time Source Event ID Task Category Information 10/15/2013 8:07:13 PM Microsoft-Windows-Wininit 1001 None " Checking file system on C: The type of the file system is NTFS. Volume label is OS. A disk check has been scheduled. Windows will now check the disk. CHKDSK is verifying files (stage 1 of 5)... 186624 file records processed. File verification completed. 705 large file records processed. 0 bad file records processed. 2 EA records processed. 114 reparse records processed. CHKDSK is verifying indexes (stage 2 of 5)... 241520 index entries processed. Index verification completed. 0 unindexed files scanned. 0 unindexed files recovered. CHKDSK is verifying security descriptors (stage 3 of 5)... 186624 file SDs/SIDs processed. Cleaning up 439 unused index entries from index $SII of file 0x9. Cleaning up 439 unused index entries from index $SDH of file 0x9. Cleaning up 439 unused security descriptors. Security descriptor verification completed. 27449 data files processed. CHKDSK is verifying Usn Journal... 36543448 USN bytes processed. Usn Journal verification completed. CHKDSK is verifying file data (stage 4 of 5)... 186608 files processed. File data verification completed. CHKDSK is verifying free space (stage 5 of 5)... 51986679 free clusters processed. Free space verification is complete. Windows has checked the file system and found no problems. 302621695 KB total disk space. 94291204 KB in 140587 files. 83820 KB in 27450 indexes. 0 KB in bad sectors. 299951 KB in use by the system. 65536 KB occupied by the log file. 207946720 KB available on disk. 4096 bytes in each allocation unit. 75655423 total allocation units on disk. 51986680 allocation units available on disk. Internal Info: 00 d9 02 00 70 90 02 00 2d 9e 04 00 00 00 00 00 ....p...-....... 3a 21 00 00 72 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 :!..r........... d0 93 13 00 50 01 12 00 f8 20 12 00 00 00 12 00 ....P.... ...... Windows has finished checking your disk. Please wait while your computer restarts. " _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Fri Oct 25 00:52:23 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2013 23:52:23 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] You've asked about MS Surface tablet - here it's :) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <515190970.41024432.1382680343656.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi Hans: :-) I wonder if it is water proof? Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hans-Christian Andersen" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2013 10:00:30 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] You've asked about MS Surface tablet - here it's :) At least you don't have to squint in order to read anything on the screen anymore. :p - Hans On Oct 24, 2013, at 9:51 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Hi Shamil: > > Is that ever neat. Is it a touch screen? > > Jim > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2013 3:54:52 AM > Subject: [dba-Tech] You've asked about MS Surface tablet - here it's :) > > > Microsoft erects a giant Surface tablet in the center of London: > http://www.theverge.com/2013/10/24/5023572/microsoft-giant-surface-trafalgar-square-london > > > -- > ???????????? ?????? > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From hans.andersen at phulse.com Fri Oct 25 00:57:14 2013 From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen) Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2013 22:57:14 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] You've asked about MS Surface tablet - here it's :) In-Reply-To: <515190970.41024432.1382680343656.JavaMail.root@cds002> References: <515190970.41024432.1382680343656.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: It would have to be. We're talking about London. It wouldn't last a few days otherwise! :p - Hans > On Oct 24, 2013, at 10:52 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > > Hi Hans: > > :-) > > I wonder if it is water proof? > > Jim > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Hans-Christian Andersen" > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2013 10:00:30 PM > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] You've asked about MS Surface tablet - here it's :) > > At least you don't have to squint in order to read anything on the screen anymore. :p > > - Hans > > >> On Oct 24, 2013, at 9:51 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: >> >> Hi Shamil: >> >> Is that ever neat. Is it a touch screen? >> >> Jim >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" >> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" >> Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2013 3:54:52 AM >> Subject: [dba-Tech] You've asked about MS Surface tablet - here it's :) >> >> >> Microsoft erects a giant Surface tablet in the center of London: >> http://www.theverge.com/2013/10/24/5023572/microsoft-giant-surface-trafalgar-square-london >> >> >> -- >> ???????????? ?????? >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Fri Oct 25 01:06:49 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2013 00:06:49 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] Apple Just Ended the Era of Paid Operating Systems In-Reply-To: <6CF62FBE-0DC6-4F34-8640-04D0CC5C6067@phulse.com> Message-ID: <1651082115.41030833.1382681209522.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi Hans: That seems to be the way of things these days. There is simply no way any program of significant size can be built that is not encroaching on someone's patent. If the OS is giving away for free the patent trolls are helpless. I guess the costs of upgrading from XP to another platform has been so prohibitively expensive that it has been one of the major influences causing very slow adoption of recent versions of Windows. For example the price of Windows 7 Pro runs from $75 to over $200, plus shipping and handling. This may not be much for a single product but if you have fifty plus desktops to replace for it starts to add up. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hans-Christian Andersen" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2013 10:47:04 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Apple Just Ended the Era of Paid Operating Systems Well, technically Apple started down this path with iOS a while back, but I think they realized it made sense to do it for the desktop. If you make your users pay for the OS on your machine, then you get fewer users updating to the latest software, which then becomes a pain for software developers and the architects of OS X. It makes sense for their business model and it makes sense in this internet age, where most things come through to us via a browser. The importance of the OS has become very secondary. It's just a user interface to launching a browser :) However, I kinda remember hearing a while back that Apple was forced to charge a small amount for iOS updates previously to avoid legal problems. Perhaps anti-trust issues or maybe patent laws or something like that. Maybe they've figured a way around that. I don't know for certain that this was the case though. - Hans On Oct 24, 2013, at 10:33 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Hi All: > > Whether Apple was the one that ended it or not is debatable but the era of the for profit OS is being squeezed to virtually nothing. > > http://www.wired.com/business/2013/10/apple-ends-paid-oses/#! > > Jim > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From mcp2004 at mail.ru Fri Oct 25 01:10:34 2013 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2013 10:10:34 +0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?Apple_Just_Ended_the_Era_of_Paid_Operating_S?= =?utf-8?q?ystems?= In-Reply-To: <1145027523.41019235.1382679210613.JavaMail.root@cds002> References: <1145027523.41019235.1382679210613.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: <1382681434.875643842@f413.i.mail.ru> Hi Jim -- Here seems to be a more thorough analysis on the recent Apple's "free OS and free productivity tools" marketing move and its impact on IT market: "Apple, Microsoft And Free Software" http://techcrunch.com/2013/10/24/apple-microsoft-and-free-software/ -- Shamil Thursday, October 24, 2013 11:33 PM -06:00 from Jim Lawrence : >Hi All: > >Whether Apple was the one that ended it or not is debatable but the era of the for profit OS is being squeezed to virtually nothing. > >http://www.wired.com/business/2013/10/apple-ends-paid-oses/#! > >Jim >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- ???????????? ?????? From accessd at shaw.ca Fri Oct 25 01:17:04 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2013 00:17:04 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] NOMAD - any experience? In-Reply-To: <1382603682.487025564@f119.i.mail.ru> Message-ID: <1237386348.41035748.1382681824043.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi Shamil: It does look like a great product...and it does have a 14 day trial period. My only question is the payment method. It says something to the effect of $35 dollars per month. This must be the new pricing method of cloud based development platforms...a person can never own the product, just rent it. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2013 1:34:42 AM Subject: [dba-Tech] NOMAD - any experience? Hi All -- I'm not sure if I haven't had mentioned the following tool already here: http://vsnomad.com/how-works.html It looks good on first glance but I have no time to try it right now. Does anybody here have experience with it or similar tools? Thank you. -- ???????????? ?????? _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Fri Oct 25 01:17:52 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2013 00:17:52 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] You've asked about MS Surface tablet - here it's :) In-Reply-To: <1382676973.439347771@f128.i.mail.ru> Message-ID: <258998773.41036814.1382681872095.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi Shamil: Well, I am impressed. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2013 9:56:13 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] You've asked about MS Surface tablet - here it's :) HI Jim -- AFAIU - no. And ?"... A purple Type Cover 2 has been recreated, with keys that feed back to a Surface Pro 2 nearby. Microsoft is letting nearby school kids play on the keyboard with a spelling game. It?s all connected via USB and Micro HDMI and you can jump on the keys to control the input. The company has even built space around the keys so you can walk around them before you select the correct key to jump on. We tried the keyboard with the Twitter app for Windows 8, and it worked surprisingly well." -- Shamil Thursday, October 24, 2013 10:51 PM -06:00 from Jim Lawrence : >Hi Shamil: > >Is that ever neat. Is it a touch screen? > >Jim > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" < mcp2004 at mail.ru > >To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" < dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com > >Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2013 3:54:52 AM >Subject: [dba-Tech] You've asked about MS Surface tablet - here it's :) > > >Microsoft erects a giant Surface tablet in the center of?London: >http://www.theverge.com/2013/10/24/5023572/microsoft-giant-surface-trafalgar-square-london > > >-- >???????????? ?????? >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- ???????????? ?????? _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jbartow at winhaven.net Fri Oct 25 01:22:01 2013 From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow) Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2013 01:22:01 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Chkdsk log In-Reply-To: <133661936.41023787.1382680189313.JavaMail.root@cds002> References: <004001ced13e$6c3d5760$44b80620$@winhaven.net> <133661936.41023787.1382680189313.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: <000a01ced14a$8497d090$8dc771b0$@winhaven.net> Jim, Problem is that the staff is constantly changing and the management seems to think all of them should have full access to everything. They bring their own devices at will and so who knows which/where/when the devices were infected, attached and if they will be again? It's an impossible situation to manage, let alone secure. So I will try ;-) -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 12:50 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Chkdsk log It has been recommended by others (no first hand experience myself) that WireShark is a good product for tracking data flow around a network...Stewart has some experience with it. If the files are RSA or AES encrypted and you don't have the keys that is the way they will stay...the cypher is not breakable but anything other than brute-force...according to the current wisdom, a 128 bit encryption would take a supercomputer, the age of the universe to crack...256 is more so. ;-) Do they have a good router or have any router on their network? Nothing like a challenge... Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "John R Bartow" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2013 9:55:26 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Chkdsk log Removing the infection is not the problem. Recovering the files is. They are encrypted with RSA 256 and since their network seems to be a free for all for whomever wants to connect with their POD I don't even know what machine was the culprit! If they don't implement my recommendations this is not going to be the last time something like this happens. Can't force them to do the right thing. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2013 11:26 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Chkdsk log Format and re-install? Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "John R Bartow" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2013 11:44:01 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Chkdsk log Well, it was Win7 with a 300GB HD. But I'm going to ignore it :-) I think this machine was hit CryptoLocker Ransomware via an unprotected machine connecting to the network with full admin privileges. I don't know how I get these jobs. They have NO backup! I cleaned it up and told them to start digging through their emails for attachments because I'm sure that if they didn't have a backup they also never deleted anything for their outlook folders (it is probably all in the inbox yet!) Eye-yi-yi! -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2013 11:13 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Chkdsk log According to Microsoft, describing a similar situation: "Just ignore these errors, there is no problem with the file system. If you have 4 million plus files or a Master File Table greater than 4GB then there is a known problem with security descriptors and a hotfix is available for Server 2003, for Windows XP the latest Service Pack supposedly fixes this. See here: The CHKDSK utility incorrectly identifies and deletes in-use security descriptors What you see is more likely the very same benign thing that Windows 2000 can also experience with chkdsk, it can be safely ignored. See here: Windows 2000 Chkdsk Reports Cleaning Unused Security Descriptors"...and so on. So no problem no worries. :-) Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "John R Bartow" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2013 7:39:46 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Chkdsk log Hi Jim, No, I just found this a bit troubling: Cleaning up 439 unused index entries from index $SII of file 0x9. Cleaning up 439 unused index entries from index $SDH of file 0x9. Cleaning up 439 unused security descriptors. John -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2013 8:00 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Chkdsk log Hi John: Is this a trick question. ;-) The following list seems to indicate a drive that is very clean...no major failures or indications that some process has left orphaned blocks or corrupted indexes. About 300GB and only one partition. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "John R Bartow" To: "DBA-Tech" Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 11:50:45 PM Subject: [dba-Tech] Chkdsk log Can anyone tell me what is wrong with this chkdks log? Level Date and Time Source Event ID Task Category Information 10/15/2013 8:07:13 PM Microsoft-Windows-Wininit 1001 None " Checking file system on C: The type of the file system is NTFS. Volume label is OS. A disk check has been scheduled. Windows will now check the disk. CHKDSK is verifying files (stage 1 of 5)... 186624 file records processed. File verification completed. 705 large file records processed. 0 bad file records processed. 2 EA records processed. 114 reparse records processed. CHKDSK is verifying indexes (stage 2 of 5)... 241520 index entries processed. Index verification completed. 0 unindexed files scanned. 0 unindexed files recovered. CHKDSK is verifying security descriptors (stage 3 of 5)... 186624 file SDs/SIDs processed. Cleaning up 439 unused index entries from index $SII of file 0x9. Cleaning up 439 unused index entries from index $SDH of file 0x9. Cleaning up 439 unused security descriptors. Security descriptor verification completed. 27449 data files processed. CHKDSK is verifying Usn Journal... 36543448 USN bytes processed. Usn Journal verification completed. CHKDSK is verifying file data (stage 4 of 5)... 186608 files processed. File data verification completed. CHKDSK is verifying free space (stage 5 of 5)... 51986679 free clusters processed. Free space verification is complete. Windows has checked the file system and found no problems. 302621695 KB total disk space. 94291204 KB in 140587 files. 83820 KB in 27450 indexes. 0 KB in bad sectors. 299951 KB in use by the system. 65536 KB occupied by the log file. 207946720 KB available on disk. 4096 bytes in each allocation unit. 75655423 total allocation units on disk. 51986680 allocation units available on disk. Internal Info: 00 d9 02 00 70 90 02 00 2d 9e 04 00 00 00 00 00 ....p...-....... 3a 21 00 00 72 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 :!..r........... d0 93 13 00 50 01 12 00 f8 20 12 00 00 00 12 00 ....P.... ...... Windows has finished checking your disk. Please wait while your computer restarts. " _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From hans.andersen at phulse.com Fri Oct 25 01:23:40 2013 From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen) Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2013 23:23:40 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Apple Just Ended the Era of Paid Operating Systems In-Reply-To: <1651082115.41030833.1382681209522.JavaMail.root@cds002> References: <1651082115.41030833.1382681209522.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: <31CE8CB4-39DB-4C83-8124-06D58861E924@phulse.com> I have to agree. Unless you buy a new machine, the cost of upgrading Windows is unaffordable to many (or most) people (while the latest OS X is free, previous upgrades only cost $20-$30, which is much cheaper than with Windows). But that was the business model of yesteryear for Microsoft where it was more important to nudge customers to buy the latest and greatest hardware instead of valuing the whole ecosystem of the platform. Apple can do what they are doing, because they are the alpha and the omega - they sell the hardware and the platform. Microsoft does not have this, so they have to balance their interests with the interests of hardware manufacturers and their profit motives. I'm not saying one way of doing things is good while the other is bad though, because every corporation including Apple has one primary motive - making money for themselves and their shareholders. However, in this case, there is a clear benefit to the consumer for not having to pay for every release of the operating system and that only seems right considering how much more money consumers needs to fork over to buy the latest and greatest Apple laptop or desktop. - Hans On 2013-10-24, at 11:06 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Hi Hans: > > That seems to be the way of things these days. There is simply no way any program of significant size can be built that is not encroaching on someone's patent. If the OS is giving away for free the patent trolls are helpless. > > I guess the costs of upgrading from XP to another platform has been so prohibitively expensive that it has been one of the major influences causing very slow adoption of recent versions of Windows. > > For example the price of Windows 7 Pro runs from $75 to over $200, plus shipping and handling. This may not be much for a single product but if you have fifty plus desktops to replace for it starts to add up. > > Jim > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Hans-Christian Andersen" > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2013 10:47:04 PM > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Apple Just Ended the Era of Paid Operating Systems > > > Well, technically Apple started down this path with iOS a while back, but I think they realized it made sense to do it for the desktop. If you make your users pay for the OS on your machine, then you get fewer users updating to the latest software, which then becomes a pain for software developers and the architects of OS X. It makes sense for their business model and it makes sense in this internet age, where most things come through to us via a browser. The importance of the OS has become very secondary. It's just a user interface to launching a browser :) > > However, I kinda remember hearing a while back that Apple was forced to charge a small amount for iOS updates previously to avoid legal problems. Perhaps anti-trust issues or maybe patent laws or something like that. Maybe they've figured a way around that. I don't know for certain that this was the case though. > > - Hans > > > > On Oct 24, 2013, at 10:33 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > >> Hi All: >> >> Whether Apple was the one that ended it or not is debatable but the era of the for profit OS is being squeezed to virtually nothing. >> >> http://www.wired.com/business/2013/10/apple-ends-paid-oses/#! >> >> Jim >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From mcp2004 at mail.ru Fri Oct 25 01:28:35 2013 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2013 10:28:35 +0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?NOMAD_-_any_experience=3F?= In-Reply-To: <1237386348.41035748.1382681824043.JavaMail.root@cds002> References: <1382603682.487025564@f119.i.mail.ru> <1237386348.41035748.1382681824043.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: <1382682515.963666715@f413.i.mail.ru> Hi Jim -- Yes, it does look very promising. Yes, monthly payment scheme seems to be a bit high. -- Shamil Friday, October 25, 2013 12:17 AM -06:00 from Jim Lawrence : >Hi Shamil: > >It does look like a great product...and it does have a 14 day trial period. > >My only question is the payment method. It says something to the effect of $35 dollars per month. This must be the new pricing method of cloud based development platforms...a person can never own the product, just rent it. > >Jim > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" < mcp2004 at mail.ru > >To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" < dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com > >Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2013 1:34:42 AM >Subject: [dba-Tech] NOMAD - any experience? > > >Hi All -- > >I'm not sure if I haven't had mentioned the following tool already here: > >http://vsnomad.com/how-works.html > >It looks good on first glance but I have no time to try it right now. >Does anybody here have experience with it or similar tools? > >Thank you. > >-- >???????????? ?????? >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- ???????????? ?????? From mcp2004 at mail.ru Fri Oct 25 01:31:54 2013 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2013 10:31:54 +0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?You=27ve_asked_about_MS_Surface_tablet_-_her?= =?utf-8?b?ZSBpdCdzIDop?= In-Reply-To: <258998773.41036814.1382681872095.JavaMail.root@cds002> References: <1382676973.439347771@f128.i.mail.ru> <258998773.41036814.1382681872095.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: <1382682714.94913513@f413.i.mail.ru> Hi Jim -- Yes, I'm also impressed with this marketing campaign. Not sure if it's that original but it works! (pun intended) :) I must note I rarely like modern marketing moves whatever company it comes from, and this one looks really impressive. -- Shamil Friday, October 25, 2013 12:17 AM -06:00 from Jim Lawrence : >Hi Shamil: > >Well, I am impressed. > >Jim > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" < mcp2004 at mail.ru > >To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" < dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com > >Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2013 9:56:13 PM >Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] You've asked about MS Surface tablet - here it's :) > >?HI Jim -- > >AFAIU - no. > >And ?"... A purple Type Cover 2 has been recreated, with keys that feed back to a Surface Pro 2 nearby. Microsoft is letting nearby school kids play on the keyboard with a spelling game. It?s all connected via USB and Micro HDMI and you can jump on the keys to control the input. The company has even built space around the keys so you can walk around them before you select the correct key to jump on. We tried the keyboard with the Twitter app for Windows 8, and it worked surprisingly well." > >-- Shamil > > >Thursday, October 24, 2013 10:51 PM -06:00 from Jim Lawrence < accessd at shaw.ca >: >>Hi Shamil: >> >>Is that ever neat. Is it a touch screen? >> >>Jim >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" < mcp2004 at mail.ru > >>To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" < dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com > >>Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2013 3:54:52 AM >>Subject: [dba-Tech] You've asked about MS Surface tablet - here it's :) >> >> >>Microsoft erects a giant Surface tablet in the center of?London: >> http://www.theverge.com/2013/10/24/5023572/microsoft-giant-surface-trafalgar-square-london >> >> >>-- >>???????????? ?????? >>_______________________________________________ >>dba-Tech mailing list >>dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >>_______________________________________________ >>dba-Tech mailing list >>dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > >-- >???????????? ?????? >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- ???????????? ?????? From accessd at shaw.ca Fri Oct 25 01:40:08 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2013 00:40:08 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] The new Web tracking: You never see it coming In-Reply-To: <1382679357.101305394@f128.i.mail.ru> Message-ID: <1377856889.41043023.1382683208560.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi Shamil: There seems to be no way to stop it. As long as our browsers continue to afford the information about the platform on which it is running, there will be issues. There is the TOR browser but whether that blocks that type of information is unknown. There is a security conference that is being run sometime, in November, here in Vancouver. Whether they will be addressed this issue or have a solution will be interesting to hear. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2013 10:35:57 PM Subject: [dba-Tech] The new Web tracking: You never see it coming Yeah, that's a real privacy threat? "The new Web tracking: You never see it coming" http://www.infoworld.com/print/229440 -- ???????????? ?????? _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From hans.andersen at phulse.com Fri Oct 25 01:40:17 2013 From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen) Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2013 23:40:17 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] You've asked about MS Surface tablet - here it's :) In-Reply-To: <1382682714.94913513@f413.i.mail.ru> References: <1382676973.439347771@f128.i.mail.ru> <258998773.41036814.1382681872095.JavaMail.root@cds002> <1382682714.94913513@f413.i.mail.ru> Message-ID: <689F7329-5C07-404B-A387-732A26955870@phulse.com> It is pretty good. Microsoft historically has been very bad at marketing. I wonder if they've hired a new marketing team. Sure beats the "Windows was my idea". :) - Hans On 2013-10-24, at 11:31 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote: > Hi Jim -- > > Yes, I'm also impressed with this marketing campaign. Not sure if it's that original but it works! (pun intended) :) > > I must note I rarely like modern marketing moves whatever company it comes from, and this one looks really impressive. > > -- Shamil > > Friday, October 25, 2013 12:17 AM -06:00 from Jim Lawrence : >> Hi Shamil: >> >> Well, I am impressed. >> >> Jim >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" < mcp2004 at mail.ru > >> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" < dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com > >> Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2013 9:56:13 PM >> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] You've asked about MS Surface tablet - here it's :) >> >> HI Jim -- >> >> AFAIU - no. >> >> And "... A purple Type Cover 2 has been recreated, with keys that feed back to a Surface Pro 2 nearby. Microsoft is letting nearby school kids play on the keyboard with a spelling game. It?s all connected via USB and Micro HDMI and you can jump on the keys to control the input. The company has even built space around the keys so you can walk around them before you select the correct key to jump on. We tried the keyboard with the Twitter app for Windows 8, and it worked surprisingly well." >> >> -- Shamil >> >> >> Thursday, October 24, 2013 10:51 PM -06:00 from Jim Lawrence < accessd at shaw.ca >: >>> Hi Shamil: >>> >>> Is that ever neat. Is it a touch screen? >>> >>> Jim >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" < mcp2004 at mail.ru > >>> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" < dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com > >>> Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2013 3:54:52 AM >>> Subject: [dba-Tech] You've asked about MS Surface tablet - here it's :) >>> >>> >>> Microsoft erects a giant Surface tablet in the center of London: >>> http://www.theverge.com/2013/10/24/5023572/microsoft-giant-surface-trafalgar-square-london >>> >>> >>> -- >>> ???????????? ?????? >>> _______________________________________________ >>> dba-Tech mailing list >>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> dba-Tech mailing list >>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> >> -- >> ???????????? ?????? >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > ???????????? ?????? > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Fri Oct 25 01:43:40 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2013 00:43:40 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] Chkdsk log In-Reply-To: <000a01ced14a$8497d090$8dc771b0$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: <279251821.41043617.1382683420791.JavaMail.root@cds002> John: It does sound like you are in a difficult situation and unless the management wants to make some major infrastructure changes, things will not improve. OTOH, at this rate, you have s job for life. ;-) Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "John R Bartow" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2013 11:22:01 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Chkdsk log Jim, Problem is that the staff is constantly changing and the management seems to think all of them should have full access to everything. They bring their own devices at will and so who knows which/where/when the devices were infected, attached and if they will be again? It's an impossible situation to manage, let alone secure. So I will try ;-) -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 12:50 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Chkdsk log It has been recommended by others (no first hand experience myself) that WireShark is a good product for tracking data flow around a network...Stewart has some experience with it. If the files are RSA or AES encrypted and you don't have the keys that is the way they will stay...the cypher is not breakable but anything other than brute-force...according to the current wisdom, a 128 bit encryption would take a supercomputer, the age of the universe to crack...256 is more so. ;-) Do they have a good router or have any router on their network? Nothing like a challenge... Jim From hans.andersen at phulse.com Fri Oct 25 01:47:18 2013 From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen) Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2013 23:47:18 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Apple Just Ended the Era of Paid Operating Systems In-Reply-To: <31CE8CB4-39DB-4C83-8124-06D58861E924@phulse.com> References: <1651082115.41030833.1382681209522.JavaMail.root@cds002> <31CE8CB4-39DB-4C83-8124-06D58861E924@phulse.com> Message-ID: <51E4C0FE-A521-4C5E-87F9-78FD45ACE097@phulse.com> To add to this topic: http://www.macrumors.com/2013/10/24/apple-offering-free-updates-to-all-users-of-aperture-iwork-and-ilife-not-worried-about-unethical-users/ "As part of its efforts to ensure that all eligible software owners are able to upgrade to the latest versions of its software on the Mac App Store, Apple is intentionally allowing users with any version of Aperture, iLife and iWork installed on their system to upgrade to the latest versions on the Mac App Store -- even illegally acquired or trial versions." - Hans On 2013-10-24, at 11:23 PM, Hans-Christian Andersen wrote: > I have to agree. Unless you buy a new machine, the cost of upgrading Windows is unaffordable to many (or most) people (while the latest OS X is free, previous upgrades only cost $20-$30, which is much cheaper than with Windows). But that was the business model of yesteryear for Microsoft where it was more important to nudge customers to buy the latest and greatest hardware instead of valuing the whole ecosystem of the platform. > > Apple can do what they are doing, because they are the alpha and the omega - they sell the hardware and the platform. Microsoft does not have this, so they have to balance their interests with the interests of hardware manufacturers and their profit motives. > > I'm not saying one way of doing things is good while the other is bad though, because every corporation including Apple has one primary motive - making money for themselves and their shareholders. > > However, in this case, there is a clear benefit to the consumer for not having to pay for every release of the operating system and that only seems right considering how much more money consumers needs to fork over to buy the latest and greatest Apple laptop or desktop. > > - Hans > > > On 2013-10-24, at 11:06 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > >> Hi Hans: >> >> That seems to be the way of things these days. There is simply no way any program of significant size can be built that is not encroaching on someone's patent. If the OS is giving away for free the patent trolls are helpless. >> >> I guess the costs of upgrading from XP to another platform has been so prohibitively expensive that it has been one of the major influences causing very slow adoption of recent versions of Windows. >> >> For example the price of Windows 7 Pro runs from $75 to over $200, plus shipping and handling. This may not be much for a single product but if you have fifty plus desktops to replace for it starts to add up. >> >> Jim >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Hans-Christian Andersen" >> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" >> Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2013 10:47:04 PM >> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Apple Just Ended the Era of Paid Operating Systems >> >> >> Well, technically Apple started down this path with iOS a while back, but I think they realized it made sense to do it for the desktop. If you make your users pay for the OS on your machine, then you get fewer users updating to the latest software, which then becomes a pain for software developers and the architects of OS X. It makes sense for their business model and it makes sense in this internet age, where most things come through to us via a browser. The importance of the OS has become very secondary. It's just a user interface to launching a browser :) >> >> However, I kinda remember hearing a while back that Apple was forced to charge a small amount for iOS updates previously to avoid legal problems. Perhaps anti-trust issues or maybe patent laws or something like that. Maybe they've figured a way around that. I don't know for certain that this was the case though. >> >> - Hans >> >> >> >> On Oct 24, 2013, at 10:33 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: >> >>> Hi All: >>> >>> Whether Apple was the one that ended it or not is debatable but the era of the for profit OS is being squeezed to virtually nothing. >>> >>> http://www.wired.com/business/2013/10/apple-ends-paid-oses/#! >>> >>> Jim >>> _______________________________________________ >>> dba-Tech mailing list >>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From jbartow at winhaven.net Fri Oct 25 01:55:48 2013 From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow) Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2013 01:55:48 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Chkdsk log In-Reply-To: <279251821.41043617.1382683420791.JavaMail.root@cds002> References: <000a01ced14a$8497d090$8dc771b0$@winhaven.net> <279251821.41043617.1382683420791.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: <001101ced14f$3cfdca50$b6f95ef0$@winhaven.net> Lol - a thankless impossible job for life - dreams do come true! ;-) -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 1:44 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Chkdsk log John: It does sound like you are in a difficult situation and unless the management wants to make some major infrastructure changes, things will not improve. OTOH, at this rate, you have s job for life. ;-) Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "John R Bartow" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2013 11:22:01 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Chkdsk log Jim, Problem is that the staff is constantly changing and the management seems to think all of them should have full access to everything. They bring their own devices at will and so who knows which/where/when the devices were infected, attached and if they will be again? It's an impossible situation to manage, let alone secure. So I will try ;-) -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 12:50 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Chkdsk log It has been recommended by others (no first hand experience myself) that WireShark is a good product for tracking data flow around a network...Stewart has some experience with it. If the files are RSA or AES encrypted and you don't have the keys that is the way they will stay...the cypher is not breakable but anything other than brute-force...according to the current wisdom, a 128 bit encryption would take a supercomputer, the age of the universe to crack...256 is more so. ;-) Do they have a good router or have any router on their network? Nothing like a challenge... Jim _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From mcp2004 at mail.ru Fri Oct 25 01:56:53 2013 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2013 10:56:53 +0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?You=27ve_asked_about_MS_Surface_tablet_-_her?= =?utf-8?b?ZSBpdCdzIDop?= In-Reply-To: <689F7329-5C07-404B-A387-732A26955870@phulse.com> References: <1382676973.439347771@f128.i.mail.ru> <1382682714.94913513@f413.i.mail.ru> <689F7329-5C07-404B-A387-732A26955870@phulse.com> Message-ID: <1382684213.575077730@f281.i.mail.ru> Yes, it's. Yes, they could have changed their marketing team. They are also rebuilding Windows 9 from ground-up AFAIHH. -- Shamil Thursday, October 24, 2013 11:40 PM -07:00 from Hans-Christian Andersen : > >It is pretty good. Microsoft historically has been very bad at marketing. I wonder if they've hired a new marketing team. Sure beats the "Windows was my idea". :) > >- Hans > > > >On 2013-10-24, at 11:31 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil < mcp2004 at mail.ru > wrote: > >> Hi Jim -- >> >> Yes, I'm also impressed with this marketing campaign. Not sure if it's that original but it works! (pun intended) :) >> >> I must note I rarely like modern marketing moves whatever company it comes from, and this one looks really impressive. >> >> -- Shamil >> >> Friday, October 25, 2013 12:17 AM -06:00 from Jim Lawrence < accessd at shaw.ca >: >>> Hi Shamil: >>> >>> Well, I am impressed. >>> >>> Jim >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" < mcp2004 at mail.ru > >>> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" < dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com > >>> Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2013 9:56:13 PM >>> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] You've asked about MS Surface tablet - here it's :) >>> >>> HI Jim -- >>> >>> AFAIU - no. >>> >>> And "... A purple Type Cover 2 has been recreated, with keys that feed back to a Surface Pro 2 nearby. Microsoft is letting nearby school kids play on the keyboard with a spelling game. It?s all connected via USB and Micro HDMI and you can jump on the keys to control the input. The company has even built space around the keys so you can walk around them before you select the correct key to jump on. We tried the keyboard with the Twitter app for Windows 8, and it worked surprisingly well." >>> >>> -- Shamil >>> >>> >>> Thursday, October 24, 2013 10:51 PM -06:00 from Jim Lawrence < accessd at shaw.ca >: >>>> Hi Shamil: >>>> >>>> Is that ever neat. Is it a touch screen? >>>> >>>> Jim >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" < mcp2004 at mail.ru > >>>> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" < dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com > >>>> Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2013 3:54:52 AM >>>> Subject: [dba-Tech] You've asked about MS Surface tablet - here it's :) >>>> >>>> >>>> Microsoft erects a giant Surface tablet in the center of London: >>>> http://www.theverge.com/2013/10/24/5023572/microsoft-giant-surface-trafalgar-square-london >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> ???????????? ?????? >>>> _______________________________________________ From fuller.artful at gmail.com Fri Oct 25 08:46:20 2013 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2013 09:46:20 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Free Outlook PST Viewer Message-ID: I just came across a free Outlook PST viewer that enables you to view Outlook files in the absence of Outlook. You can get it from http://www.systoolsgroup.com/pst-viewer.html. -- Arthur From accessd at shaw.ca Fri Oct 25 13:19:28 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2013 12:19:28 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] You've asked about MS Surface tablet - here it's :) In-Reply-To: <1382684213.575077730@f281.i.mail.ru> Message-ID: <334138057.41549568.1382725168309.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi Shamil: If that is true, a new Windows from the ground up, there is real hope. I do not suspect that there will be great changes to the new Windows metro layout but the new version of the UI will have to be a lot more intuitional. If they 'borrow" some of the latest technologies to redeign and resecure the backend, that would go a long way to help the company regain lost ground. Maybe a FreeBSD backend might be a excellent way to go, Mac sure likes it. A Microsoft has been one of the largest supporters (financial contributors) of Linux, over the last five years, so of course they could use a Debian distro and just charge for the UI. As Debian supports over a dozen CPUs and their associated chip sets, Windows would run on everything from cell phones to super computers, and everything in between, with comparative little or no effort. ;-) Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2013 11:56:53 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] You've asked about MS Surface tablet - here it's :) Yes, it's. Yes, they could have changed their marketing team. They are also rebuilding Windows 9 from ground-up AFAIHH. -- Shamil Thursday, October 24, 2013 11:40 PM -07:00 from Hans-Christian Andersen : > >It is pretty good. Microsoft historically has been very bad at marketing. I wonder if they've hired a new marketing team. Sure beats the "Windows was my idea". :) > >- Hans > > > >On 2013-10-24, at 11:31 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil < mcp2004 at mail.ru > wrote: > >> Hi Jim -- >> >> Yes, I'm also impressed with this marketing campaign. Not sure if it's that original but it works! (pun intended) :) >> >> I must note I rarely like modern marketing moves whatever company it comes from, and this one looks really impressive. >> >> -- Shamil >> >> Friday, October 25, 2013 12:17 AM -06:00 from Jim Lawrence < accessd at shaw.ca >: >>> Hi Shamil: >>> >>> Well, I am impressed. >>> >>> Jim >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" < mcp2004 at mail.ru > >>> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" < dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com > >>> Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2013 9:56:13 PM >>> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] You've asked about MS Surface tablet - here it's :) >>> >>> HI Jim -- >>> >>> AFAIU - no. >>> >>> And "... A purple Type Cover 2 has been recreated, with keys that feed back to a Surface Pro 2 nearby. Microsoft is letting nearby school kids play on the keyboard with a spelling game. It?s all connected via USB and Micro HDMI and you can jump on the keys to control the input. The company has even built space around the keys so you can walk around them before you select the correct key to jump on. We tried the keyboard with the Twitter app for Windows 8, and it worked surprisingly well." >>> >>> -- Shamil >>> >>> >>> Thursday, October 24, 2013 10:51 PM -06:00 from Jim Lawrence < accessd at shaw.ca >: >>>> Hi Shamil: >>>> >>>> Is that ever neat. Is it a touch screen? >>>> >>>> Jim >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" < mcp2004 at mail.ru > >>>> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" < dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com > >>>> Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2013 3:54:52 AM >>>> Subject: [dba-Tech] You've asked about MS Surface tablet - here it's :) >>>> >>>> >>>> Microsoft erects a giant Surface tablet in the center of London: >>>> http://www.theverge.com/2013/10/24/5023572/microsoft-giant-surface-trafalgar-square-london >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> ???????????? ?????? >>>> _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Fri Oct 25 13:29:46 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2013 12:29:46 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] Free Outlook PST Viewer In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1058177843.41560999.1382725786662.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi Arthur: Thanks for that...I will put that aside for future reference. Right now I have been using Zimbra online and Thunderbird as a desktop client. I like Outlook but it just ran out of room. ;-( Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arthur Fuller" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 6:46:20 AM Subject: [dba-Tech] Free Outlook PST Viewer I just came across a free Outlook PST viewer that enables you to view Outlook files in the absence of Outlook. You can get it from http://www.systoolsgroup.com/pst-viewer.html. -- Arthur _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Fri Oct 25 13:42:41 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2013 12:42:41 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] Chkdsk log In-Reply-To: <001101ced14f$3cfdca50$b6f95ef0$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: <1641141997.41574057.1382726561561.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi John: I used to assume much of my work was similar to a Garbage Collector: It is a dirty job, it never ends but someone has to do it. ;-) Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "John R Bartow" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2013 11:55:48 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Chkdsk log Lol - a thankless impossible job for life - dreams do come true! ;-) -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 1:44 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Chkdsk log John: It does sound like you are in a difficult situation and unless the management wants to make some major infrastructure changes, things will not improve. OTOH, at this rate, you have s job for life. ;-) Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "John R Bartow" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2013 11:22:01 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Chkdsk log Jim, Problem is that the staff is constantly changing and the management seems to think all of them should have full access to everything. They bring their own devices at will and so who knows which/where/when the devices were infected, attached and if they will be again? It's an impossible situation to manage, let alone secure. So I will try ;-) -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 12:50 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Chkdsk log It has been recommended by others (no first hand experience myself) that WireShark is a good product for tracking data flow around a network...Stewart has some experience with it. If the files are RSA or AES encrypted and you don't have the keys that is the way they will stay...the cypher is not breakable but anything other than brute-force...according to the current wisdom, a 128 bit encryption would take a supercomputer, the age of the universe to crack...256 is more so. ;-) Do they have a good router or have any router on their network? Nothing like a challenge... Jim _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Fri Oct 25 13:48:03 2013 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2013 14:48:03 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Free Outlook PST Viewer In-Reply-To: <1058177843.41560999.1382725786662.JavaMail.root@cds002> References: <1058177843.41560999.1382725786662.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: Jim, I don't use Outlook either. My choices are gmail and google calendar, principally because I can get to them from anywhere. Arthur On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 2:29 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Hi Arthur: > > Thanks for that...I will put that aside for future reference. > > Right now I have been using Zimbra online and Thunderbird as a desktop > client. I like Outlook but it just ran out of room. ;-( > > Jim > > From accessd at shaw.ca Fri Oct 25 13:51:17 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2013 12:51:17 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] Microsoft is transforming its entire business structure In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1112131877.41582450.1382727077818.JavaMail.root@cds002> Microsoft is changing the nature of its business and with that will come a totally new vernacular and series of departments. This change will be fully implemented by 2014. http://www.linkedin.com/today/post/article/20131025092138-19021-microsoft-s-astonishing-ambition?trk=mp-details-rc Jim From accessd at shaw.ca Fri Oct 25 14:08:56 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2013 13:08:56 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] Free Outlook PST Viewer In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1975687037.41602973.1382728136660.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi Arthur: My ISP used Zimbra for it online mail service and since I have all my mail also forwarded to GMail, there are two places where I can garner my mail online. My current preference is Zimbra as the UI is so nice, has many feature, including the standards like contact lists, calendars and directories. I like my desktop mail as it is even more flexible; programmable similar to Outlook, can receive and send feeds and can connect to any mail server, is easier to personalize, mail volume is limited only to space available on the network or even personal cloud, it can connect and sent to all the standard social-media networks, reads and plays videos and podcasts (tracks updates of the same), has all the archiving and backup components, a very robust security system with even BitTorrent P2P communications and so on. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arthur Fuller" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 11:48:03 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Free Outlook PST Viewer Jim, I don't use Outlook either. My choices are gmail and google calendar, principally because I can get to them from anywhere. Arthur On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 2:29 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Hi Arthur: > > Thanks for that...I will put that aside for future reference. > > Right now I have been using Zimbra online and Thunderbird as a desktop > client. I like Outlook but it just ran out of room. ;-( > > Jim > > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Fri Oct 25 14:15:39 2013 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2013 15:15:39 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Free Outlook PST Viewer In-Reply-To: <1975687037.41602973.1382728136660.JavaMail.root@cds002> References: <1975687037.41602973.1382728136660.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: Thanks, Jim. I haven't even heard of ZImbra, but I'll look into it. A. From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Fri Oct 25 14:14:08 2013 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2013 05:14:08 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Free Outlook PST Viewer In-Reply-To: References: , <1058177843.41560999.1382725786662.JavaMail.root@cds002>, Message-ID: <526AC300.5074.CE4EE48@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Neither do I (I've been a happy user of Pegasus Mail for close to 20 years now), but I've got a number of .pst files around the place from recovery efforts on other peoples computers. I just tried it on a couple and it looks like a very good data recovery option. On 25 Oct 2013 at 14:48, Arthur Fuller wrote: > Jim, > > I don't use Outlook either. My choices are gmail and google calendar, > principally because I can get to them from anywhere. > > Arthur > > > On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 2:29 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > > > Hi Arthur: > > > > Thanks for that...I will put that aside for future reference. > > > > Right now I have been using Zimbra online and Thunderbird as a > > desktop client. I like Outlook but it just ran out of room. ;-( > > > > Jim > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Fri Oct 25 14:22:11 2013 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2013 05:22:11 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Free Outlook PST Viewer In-Reply-To: References: , <1058177843.41560999.1382725786662.JavaMail.root@cds002>, Message-ID: <526AC4E3.6945.CEC4FE7@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Neither do I (I've been a happy user of Pegasus Mail for close to 20 years now), but I've got a number of .pst files around the place from recovery efforts on other peoples computers. I just tried it on a couple and it looks like a very good data recovery option. On 25 Oct 2013 at 14:48, Arthur Fuller wrote: > Jim, > > I don't use Outlook either. My choices are gmail and google calendar, > principally because I can get to them from anywhere. > > Arthur > > > On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 2:29 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > > > Hi Arthur: > > > > Thanks for that...I will put that aside for future reference. > > > > Right now I have been using Zimbra online and Thunderbird as a > > desktop client. I like Outlook but it just ran out of room. ;-( > > > > Jim > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From fuller.artful at gmail.com Fri Oct 25 14:27:53 2013 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2013 15:27:53 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Free Outlook PST Viewer In-Reply-To: <526AC4E3.6945.CEC4FE7@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <1058177843.41560999.1382725786662.JavaMail.root@cds002> <526AC4E3.6945.CEC4FE7@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: Stuart, I knew somebody could use this utility! Glad to have helped. A. On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 3:22 PM, Stuart McLachlan wrote: > > Neither do I (I've been a happy user of Pegasus Mail for close to 20 > years now), but I've got > a number of .pst files around the place from recovery efforts on other > peoples computers. I > just tried it on a couple and it looks like a very good data recovery > option. > > > From accessd at shaw.ca Sat Oct 26 16:07:41 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2013 15:07:41 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] OSS intranet/internet community collaboration In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <690860917.42426799.1382821661666.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi All: Here is a new product that will allow groups or businesses to collaborate on assembling projects. It has the features of SharePoint but goes far beyond that. The product has a huge number of components for just about every standard business project but also allows the client to use all of their existing applications. It is known as Open Atrium as it totally OSS and runs on virtually all platforms... http://bitnami.com/stack/openatrium/installer It is becoming increasingly important for organizations to not only collaborate with their internal teams, but with their partners and constituents, and this means going beyond adapting solutions for storing documents or a way to "follow" and "like" your coworkers. What our collaboration tools need is robust data security to help us control how information is shared between our constituents and information for our executives. Open Atrium 2 separates content from people, and that means that you can consistently make any information securely available (or not available) to any group of people, at any time. http://opensource.com/business/13/10/open-atrium-mobile-intranet-launch http://openatrium.com http://bitnami.com/stack/openatrium Seeing the product is only around 60 MBs it can be installed on just about every system. This initially looks like a excellent product and well worth investigating and installing, in any size business. Jim From Gustav at cactus.dk Sun Oct 27 02:17:37 2013 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2013 08:17:37 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: Change from DST Message-ID: Hi all Our national railroad operator, DSB, has invented a new way to comply with the change in local time when switching to normal time: At the first station reached after 02:00 the trains stop for one hour! Passengers are offered a free light meal, soft drinks and coffee, a carpet, and a thriller novel during the stay. There you go - or not. The idea is of course, as those trains would arrive too early, to spare a set of other trains that would depart on scheduled times in the morning. However, the question remains what they will do in spring when we change to DST? Bring the trains to warp speed at 1 o'clock to catch up? /gustav From accessd at shaw.ca Sun Oct 27 05:05:00 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2013 04:05:00 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: Change from DST In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <343413492.42666936.1382868300173.JavaMail.root@cds002> Well DST is in the future... ;-) Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gustav Brock" To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2013 12:17:37 AM Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: Change from DST Hi all Our national railroad operator, DSB, has invented a new way to comply with the change in local time when switching to normal time: At the first station reached after 02:00 the trains stop for one hour! Passengers are offered a free light meal, soft drinks and coffee, a carpet, and a thriller novel during the stay. There you go - or not. The idea is of course, as those trains would arrive too early, to spare a set of other trains that would depart on scheduled times in the morning. However, the question remains what they will do in spring when we change to DST? Bring the trains to warp speed at 1 o'clock to catch up? /gustav _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sun Oct 27 05:11:03 2013 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2013 06:11:03 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: Change from DST In-Reply-To: <343413492.42666936.1382868300173.JavaMail.root@cds002> References: <343413492.42666936.1382868300173.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: Speaking of DST, one province in Canada, Saskatchewan, does not switch back and forh, but stays on standard time all year round. I wonder if it's alone in this practice, or whether other regions in the world also do this. Arthur On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 6:05 AM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Well DST is in the future... ;-) > > Jim > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gustav Brock" > To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com > Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2013 12:17:37 AM > Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: Change from DST > > Hi all > > Our national railroad operator, DSB, has invented a new way to comply with > the change in local time when switching to normal time: At the first > station reached after 02:00 the trains stop for one hour! > Passengers are offered a free light meal, soft drinks and coffee, a > carpet, and a thriller novel during the stay. There you go - or not. > > The idea is of course, as those trains would arrive too early, to spare a > set of other trains that would depart on scheduled times in the morning. > However, the question remains what they will do in spring when we change > to DST? Bring the trains to warp speed at 1 o'clock to catch up? > > /gustav > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Arthur From Gustav at cactus.dk Sun Oct 27 06:31:51 2013 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2013 12:31:51 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: Change from DST Message-ID: Hi Arthur There is a little discussion about it here as the effective power savings are a little doubtful, but it is standardised throughout the European Union so it takes a little more to change. /gustav >>> fuller.artful at gmail.com 27-10-13 11:11 >>> Speaking of DST, one province in Canada, Saskatchewan, does not switch back and forh, but stays on standard time all year round. I wonder if it's alone in this practice, or whether other regions in the world also do this. Arthur On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 6:05 AM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Well DST is in the future... ;-) > > Jim > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gustav Brock" > To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com > Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2013 12:17:37 AM > Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: Change from DST > > Hi all > > Our national railroad operator, DSB, has invented a new way to comply with > the change in local time when switching to normal time: At the first > station reached after 02:00 the trains stop for one hour! > Passengers are offered a free light meal, soft drinks and coffee, a > carpet, and a thriller novel during the stay. There you go - or not. > > The idea is of course, as those trains would arrive too early, to spare a > set of other trains that would depart on scheduled times in the morning. > However, the question remains what they will do in spring when we change > to DST? Bring the trains to warp speed at 1 o'clock to catch up? > > /gustav From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Sun Oct 27 08:47:43 2013 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2013 06:47:43 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: Change from DST In-Reply-To: References: <343413492.42666936.1382868300173.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: <868F502DFCA447A2BAC3C081BE820B19@HAL9007> Arizona doesn't change to DST. R -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2013 3:11 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] OT: Change from DST Speaking of DST, one province in Canada, Saskatchewan, does not switch back and forh, but stays on standard time all year round. I wonder if it's alone in this practice, or whether other regions in the world also do this. Arthur On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 6:05 AM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Well DST is in the future... ;-) > > Jim > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gustav Brock" > To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com > Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2013 12:17:37 AM > Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: Change from DST > > Hi all > > Our national railroad operator, DSB, has invented a new way to comply > with the change in local time when switching to normal time: At the > first station reached after 02:00 the trains stop for one hour! > Passengers are offered a free light meal, soft drinks and coffee, a > carpet, and a thriller novel during the stay. There you go - or not. > > The idea is of course, as those trains would arrive too early, to > spare a set of other trains that would depart on scheduled times in the morning. > However, the question remains what they will do in spring when we > change to DST? Bring the trains to warp speed at 1 o'clock to catch up? > > /gustav > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Arthur _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sun Oct 27 10:07:37 2013 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2013 11:07:37 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: Change from DST In-Reply-To: <868F502DFCA447A2BAC3C081BE820B19@HAL9007> References: <343413492.42666936.1382868300173.JavaMail.root@cds002> <868F502DFCA447A2BAC3C081BE820B19@HAL9007> Message-ID: Thanks, Rocky. Arthur On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 9:47 AM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > Arizona doesn't change to DST. > > R > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller > Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2013 3:11 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] OT: Change from DST > > Speaking of DST, one province in Canada, Saskatchewan, does not switch back > and forh, but stays on standard time all year round. I wonder if it's alone > in this practice, or whether other regions in the world also do this. > > Arthur > > > From tinanfields at torchlake.com Sun Oct 27 13:03:22 2013 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2013 14:03:22 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: Change from DST In-Reply-To: <868F502DFCA447A2BAC3C081BE820B19@HAL9007> References: <343413492.42666936.1382868300173.JavaMail.root@cds002> <868F502DFCA447A2BAC3C081BE820B19@HAL9007> Message-ID: <526D556A.3090306@torchlake.com> Also part of Indiana does not change - part does - so it's interesting in the summer! TNF Tina Norris Fields tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com 231-322-2787 On 10/27/2013 9:47 AM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > Arizona doesn't change to DST. > > R > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller > Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2013 3:11 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] OT: Change from DST > > Speaking of DST, one province in Canada, Saskatchewan, does not switch back > and forh, but stays on standard time all year round. I wonder if it's alone > in this practice, or whether other regions in the world also do this. > > Arthur > > > On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 6:05 AM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > >> Well DST is in the future... ;-) >> >> Jim >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Gustav Brock" >> To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com >> Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2013 12:17:37 AM >> Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: Change from DST >> >> Hi all >> >> Our national railroad operator, DSB, has invented a new way to comply >> with the change in local time when switching to normal time: At the >> first station reached after 02:00 the trains stop for one hour! >> Passengers are offered a free light meal, soft drinks and coffee, a >> carpet, and a thriller novel during the stay. There you go - or not. >> >> The idea is of course, as those trains would arrive too early, to >> spare a set of other trains that would depart on scheduled times in the > morning. >> However, the question remains what they will do in spring when we >> change to DST? Bring the trains to warp speed at 1 o'clock to catch up? >> >> /gustav >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > > > -- > Arthur > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sun Oct 27 13:32:19 2013 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2013 14:32:19 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: Change from DST In-Reply-To: <526D556A.3090306@torchlake.com> References: <343413492.42666936.1382868300173.JavaMail.root@cds002> <868F502DFCA447A2BAC3C081BE820B19@HAL9007> <526D556A.3090306@torchlake.com> Message-ID: Tina, Lovely! I guess you can travel backward or forward in time :) Arthur On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 2:03 PM, Tina Norris Fields < tinanfields at torchlake.com> wrote: > Also part of Indiana does not change - part does - so it's interesting in > the summer! > TNF > > Tina Norris Fields > tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-**com > 231-322-2787 > > > On 10/27/2013 9:47 AM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > >> Arizona doesn't change to DST. >> >> R >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: dba-tech-bounces@**databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces@**databaseadvisors.com] >> On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller >> Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2013 3:11 AM >> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues >> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] OT: Change from DST >> >> Speaking of DST, one province in Canada, Saskatchewan, does not switch >> back >> and forh, but stays on standard time all year round. I wonder if it's >> alone >> in this practice, or whether other regions in the world also do this. >> >> Arthur >> >> >> On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 6:05 AM, Jim Lawrence wrote: >> >> Well DST is in the future... ;-) >>> >>> Jim >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Gustav Brock" >>> To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com >>> Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2013 12:17:37 AM >>> Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: Change from DST >>> >>> Hi all >>> >>> Our national railroad operator, DSB, has invented a new way to comply >>> with the change in local time when switching to normal time: At the >>> first station reached after 02:00 the trains stop for one hour! >>> Passengers are offered a free light meal, soft drinks and coffee, a >>> carpet, and a thriller novel during the stay. There you go - or not. >>> >>> The idea is of course, as those trains would arrive too early, to >>> spare a set of other trains that would depart on scheduled times in the >>> >> morning. >> >>> However, the question remains what they will do in spring when we >>> change to DST? Bring the trains to warp speed at 1 o'clock to catch up? >>> >>> /gustav >>> >>> >>> >>> ______________________________**_________________ >>> dba-Tech mailing list >>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com >>> ______________________________**_________________ >>> dba-Tech mailing list >>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com >>> >>> >> >> -- >> Arthur >> ______________________________**_________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com >> >> ______________________________**_________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com >> >> > ______________________________**_________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com > -- Arthur From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Sun Oct 27 15:42:20 2013 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2013 06:42:20 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: Change from DST In-Reply-To: References: , <343413492.42666936.1382868300173.JavaMail.root@cds002>, Message-ID: <526D7AAC.31225.178244B8@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> In Australian which had three main time zones, five of the eight states and territories use DST (New South Wales, Victoria, South Australia, Tasmania and Australian Capital Terrritory) , the other three stay the same all year round. (Queensland, Western Australia and the Norther Territories - the three which are part tropical). Oh, and just to confuse things more - Broken Hill, which is in NSW, operates year round on SA time, not NSW time. -- Stuart On 27 Oct 2013 at 6:11, Arthur Fuller wrote: > Speaking of DST, one province in Canada, Saskatchewan, does not switch > back and forh, but stays on standard time all year round. I wonder if > it's alone in this practice, or whether other regions in the world > also do this. > > Arthur > > > On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 6:05 AM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > > > Well DST is in the future... ;-) > > > > Jim > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Gustav Brock" > > To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com > > Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2013 12:17:37 AM > > Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: Change from DST > > > > Hi all > > > > Our national railroad operator, DSB, has invented a new way to > > comply with the change in local time when switching to normal time: > > At the first station reached after 02:00 the trains stop for one > > hour! Passengers are offered a free light meal, soft drinks and > > coffee, a carpet, and a thriller novel during the stay. There you go > > - or not. > > > > The idea is of course, as those trains would arrive too early, to > > spare a set of other trains that would depart on scheduled times in > > the morning. However, the question remains what they will do in > > spring when we change to DST? Bring the trains to warp speed at 1 > > o'clock to catch up? > > > > /gustav > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > -- > Arthur > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sun Oct 27 17:46:58 2013 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2013 18:46:58 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: Change from DST In-Reply-To: <526D7AAC.31225.178244B8@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <343413492.42666936.1382868300173.JavaMail.root@cds002> <526D7AAC.31225.178244B8@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: > > On 27 Oct 2013 at 6:11, Arthur Fuller wrote: > Stuart, > > I would guess that computers automatically change or do not change, > depending on which Australian state you are in, as here in Canada. Is that > correct? > > > On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 4:42 PM, Stuart McLachlan > wrote: > >> In Australian which had three main time zones, five of the eight states >> and territories use >> DST (New South Wales, Victoria, South Australia, Tasmania and Australian >> Capital >> Terrritory) , the other three stay the same all year round. (Queensland, >> Western Australia >> and the Norther Territories - the three which are part tropical). >> >> Oh, and just to confuse things more - Broken Hill, which is in NSW, >> operates year round on >> SA time, not NSW time. >> >> >> -- >> Stuart >> >> -- Arthur From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Sun Oct 27 19:25:50 2013 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2013 10:25:50 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: Change from DST In-Reply-To: References: , <526D7AAC.31225.178244B8@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>, Message-ID: <526DAF0E.2570.184EE60A@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> As long as your regional settings are correct and you aren't in the habit of moving interstate. -- Stuart On 27 Oct 2013 at 18:46, Arthur Fuller wrote: > > > > On 27 Oct 2013 at 6:11, Arthur Fuller wrote: > > Stuart, > > > > I would guess that computers automatically change or do not change, > > depending on which Australian state you are in, as here in Canada. > > Is that correct? > > > > > > On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 4:42 PM, Stuart McLachlan > > > > wrote: > > > >> In Australian which had three main time zones, five of the eight > >> states and territories use DST (New South Wales, Victoria, South > >> Australia, Tasmania and Australian Capital Terrritory) , the other > >> three stay the same all year round. (Queensland, Western Australia > >> and the Norther Territories - the three which are part tropical). > >> > >> Oh, and just to confuse things more - Broken Hill, which is in NSW, > >> operates year round on SA time, not NSW time. > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Stuart > >> > >> > -- > Arthur > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From joeo at appoli.com Sun Oct 27 20:23:10 2013 From: joeo at appoli.com (Joe O'Connell) Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2013 21:23:10 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: Change from DST In-Reply-To: <526D556A.3090306@torchlake.com> References: <343413492.42666936.1382868300173.JavaMail.root@cds002> <868F502DFCA447A2BAC3C081BE820B19@HAL9007> <526D556A.3090306@torchlake.com> Message-ID: <1CF20DB644BE124083B31638E5D5C023010CAA3B@exch2.Onappsad.net> All of Indiana now changes time, but most of the state is in the eastern time zone and some of the counties close to Illinois are in the central time zone, so it is still confusing. Hawaii is the only state besides Arizona that does not change. Joe O'Connell -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris Fields Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2013 2:03 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] OT: Change from DST Also part of Indiana does not change - part does - so it's interesting in the summer! TNF Tina Norris Fields tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com 231-322-2787 On 10/27/2013 9:47 AM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > Arizona doesn't change to DST. > > R > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur > Fuller > Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2013 3:11 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] OT: Change from DST > > Speaking of DST, one province in Canada, Saskatchewan, does not switch > back and forh, but stays on standard time all year round. I wonder if > it's alone in this practice, or whether other regions in the world also do this. > > Arthur > > > On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 6:05 AM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > >> Well DST is in the future... ;-) >> >> Jim >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Gustav Brock" >> To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com >> Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2013 12:17:37 AM >> Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: Change from DST >> >> Hi all >> >> Our national railroad operator, DSB, has invented a new way to comply >> with the change in local time when switching to normal time: At the >> first station reached after 02:00 the trains stop for one hour! >> Passengers are offered a free light meal, soft drinks and coffee, a >> carpet, and a thriller novel during the stay. There you go - or not. >> >> The idea is of course, as those trains would arrive too early, to >> spare a set of other trains that would depart on scheduled times in >> the > morning. >> However, the question remains what they will do in spring when we >> change to DST? Bring the trains to warp speed at 1 o'clock to catch up? >> >> /gustav >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > > > -- > Arthur > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sun Oct 27 20:27:06 2013 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2013 21:27:06 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: Change from DST In-Reply-To: <1CF20DB644BE124083B31638E5D5C023010CAA3B@exch2.Onappsad.net> References: <343413492.42666936.1382868300173.JavaMail.root@cds002> <868F502DFCA447A2BAC3C081BE820B19@HAL9007> <526D556A.3090306@torchlake.com> <1CF20DB644BE124083B31638E5D5C023010CAA3B@exch2.Onappsad.net> Message-ID: Joe, It makes sense, given the relative isolation of the islands. Thanks. Arthur On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 9:23 PM, Joe O'Connell wrote: > All of Indiana now changes time, but most of the state is in the eastern > time zone and some of the counties close to Illinois are in the central > time zone, so it is still confusing. > > Hawaii is the only state besides Arizona that does not change. > > Joe O'Connell > > From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Sun Oct 27 21:17:35 2013 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2013 12:17:35 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: Change from DST In-Reply-To: References: , <1CF20DB644BE124083B31638E5D5C023010CAA3B@exch2.Onappsad.net>, Message-ID: <526DC93F.17468.18B53544@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> And the latitude of the islands. DST is really only of benefit in the higher latitudes. -- Stuart On 27 Oct 2013 at 21:27, Arthur Fuller wrote: > Joe, > > It makes sense, given the relative isolation of the islands. Thanks. > > Arthur > > > On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 9:23 PM, Joe O'Connell > wrote: > > > All of Indiana now changes time, but most of the state is in the > > eastern time zone and some of the counties close to Illinois are in > > the central time zone, so it is still confusing. > > > > Hawaii is the only state besides Arizona that does not change. > > > > Joe O'Connell > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz Sun Oct 27 21:45:54 2013 From: stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz (Stephen Bond) Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2013 15:45:54 +1300 Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: Change from DST In-Reply-To: References: <343413492.42666936.1382868300173.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: India doesn't change . It is always UTC+5? Stephen -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Sunday, 27 October 2013 11:16 p.m. To: Stephen Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] OT: Change from DST Speaking of DST, one province in Canada, Saskatchewan, does not switch back and forh, but stays on standard time all year round. I wonder if it's alone in this practice, or whether other regions in the world also do this. Arthur On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 6:05 AM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Well DST is in the future... ;-) > > Jim > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gustav Brock" > To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com > Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2013 12:17:37 AM > Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: Change from DST > > Hi all > > Our national railroad operator, DSB, has invented a new way to comply with > the change in local time when switching to normal time: At the first > station reached after 02:00 the trains stop for one hour! > Passengers are offered a free light meal, soft drinks and coffee, a > carpet, and a thriller novel during the stay. There you go - or not. > > The idea is of course, as those trains would arrive too early, to spare a > set of other trains that would depart on scheduled times in the morning. > However, the question remains what they will do in spring when we change > to DST? Bring the trains to warp speed at 1 o'clock to catch up? > > /gustav > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Arthur _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Sun Oct 27 22:31:06 2013 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2013 13:31:06 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: Change from DST In-Reply-To: References: , , Message-ID: <526DDA7A.6198.18F8842F@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Like I said, it's only of benefit in higher latitudes. I can't think of any primarily tropical countries that observe DST. On 28 Oct 2013 at 15:45, Stephen Bond wrote: > India doesn't change . It is always UTC+5? > > Stephen > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur > Fuller Sent: Sunday, 27 October 2013 11:16 p.m. To: Stephen Subject: > Re: [dba-Tech] OT: Change from DST > > Speaking of DST, one province in Canada, Saskatchewan, does not switch > back and forh, but stays on standard time all year round. I wonder if > it's alone in this practice, or whether other regions in the world > also do this. > > Arthur > > > On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 6:05 AM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > > > Well DST is in the future... ;-) > > > > Jim > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Gustav Brock" > > To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com > > Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2013 12:17:37 AM > > Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: Change from DST > > > > Hi all > > > > Our national railroad operator, DSB, has invented a new way to > > comply with the change in local time when switching to normal time: > > At the first station reached after 02:00 the trains stop for one > > hour! Passengers are offered a free light meal, soft drinks and > > coffee, a carpet, and a thriller novel during the stay. There you go > > - or not. > > > > The idea is of course, as those trains would arrive too early, to > > spare a set of other trains that would depart on scheduled times in > > the morning. However, the question remains what they will do in > > spring when we change to DST? Bring the trains to warp speed at 1 > > o'clock to catch up? > > > > /gustav > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > -- > Arthur > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk Mon Oct 28 02:44:18 2013 From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid) Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2013 07:44:18 +0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: Change from DST In-Reply-To: <526D7AAC.31225.178244B8@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: , <343413492.42666936.1382868300173.JavaMail.root@cds002>, <526D7AAC.31225.178244B8@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB082959C5B26F12C@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk> 1986 Broken Hill then down picking grapes. (<: Martin -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: 27 October 2013 20:42 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] OT: Change from DST In Australian which had three main time zones, five of the eight states and territories use DST (New South Wales, Victoria, South Australia, Tasmania and Australian Capital Terrritory) , the other three stay the same all year round. (Queensland, Western Australia and the Norther Territories - the three which are part tropical). Oh, and just to confuse things more - Broken Hill, which is in NSW, operates year round on SA time, not NSW time. -- Stuart On 27 Oct 2013 at 6:11, Arthur Fuller wrote: > Speaking of DST, one province in Canada, Saskatchewan, does not switch > back and forh, but stays on standard time all year round. I wonder if > it's alone in this practice, or whether other regions in the world > also do this. > > Arthur > > > On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 6:05 AM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > > > Well DST is in the future... ;-) > > > > Jim > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Gustav Brock" > > To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com > > Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2013 12:17:37 AM > > Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: Change from DST > > > > Hi all > > > > Our national railroad operator, DSB, has invented a new way to > > comply with the change in local time when switching to normal time: > > At the first station reached after 02:00 the trains stop for one > > hour! Passengers are offered a free light meal, soft drinks and > > coffee, a carpet, and a thriller novel during the stay. There you go > > - or not. > > > > The idea is of course, as those trains would arrive too early, to > > spare a set of other trains that would depart on scheduled times in > > the morning. However, the question remains what they will do in > > spring when we change to DST? Bring the trains to warp speed at 1 > > o'clock to catch up? > > > > /gustav > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > -- > Arthur > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Wed Oct 30 15:43:27 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2013 14:43:27 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] So who and what is tracking you In-Reply-To: <690860917.42426799.1382821661666.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: <1009446470.46194242.1383165807825.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi All: If you ever wanted to know who is tracking you Firefox has a plugin app that will allow you to track all the suckers and third-party leeches that attach to you as you navigate through the web. You can now watch all the attachments in real time and then test to see how well apps like adware work or you can just turn off all through a no-track toggle. There is no such equivalent for either Chrome or IE who due to their client contracts can not offer such features...another great reason to use FireFox. It has an excellent graphic interface check it out... http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/lightbeam/ Jim From accessd at shaw.ca Wed Oct 30 16:08:45 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2013 15:08:45 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] New from OwnCloud In-Reply-To: <690860917.42426799.1382821661666.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: <224648413.46225024.1383167325404.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi All: OwnCloud, a personal Cloud product has just added another great feature. You now has a multi-user document writer built in that compete well with either Google Doc or Microsoft 365 offerings: http://owncloud.org/six/ The great features are that you do not have to be paying for external Cloud hosting, though you can and that the connections are encrypted P2P. The OwnCloud Documents would be great for those collaborative efforts from a extended team or within a classroom environment. For those people who have limited bandwidth and/or are interested in security this is an ideal product: https://owncloud.com/why-on-premise The product is fully connectable and compatible with any desktop product as well, Microsoft and Libra Office...and many more. It has full Active Directory (AD) / LDAP integration which allows these features to extend across a remote and local network. http://owncloud.org/ The small business or personal product is free but if you need real enterprise, large educational or need service provider capabilities and all the bell and whistles, there are full pay options. Documentation and online support, if required, is complete and extensive. The product can be launched on any platform but Linux, of course, is still the most effective. Also, it runs on all your mobile equipment. Jim From accessd at shaw.ca Wed Oct 30 16:09:03 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2013 15:09:03 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] New from OwnCloud In-Reply-To: <690860917.42426799.1382821661666.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: <654583815.46225308.1383167343149.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi All: OwnCloud, a personal Cloud product has just added another great feature. You now has a multi-user document writer built in that compete well with either Google Doc or Microsoft 365 offerings: http://owncloud.org/six/ The great features are that you do not have to be paying for external Cloud hosting, though you can and that the connections are encrypted P2P. The OwnCloud Documents would be great for those collaborative efforts from a extended team or within a classroom environment. For those people who have limited bandwidth and/or are interested in security this is an ideal product: https://owncloud.com/why-on-premise The product is fully connectable and compatible with any desktop product as well, Microsoft and Libra Office...and many more. It has full Active Directory (AD) / LDAP integration which allows these features to extend across a remote and local network. http://owncloud.org/ The small business or personal product is free but if you need real enterprise, large educational or need service provider capabilities and all the bell and whistles, there are full pay options. Documentation and online support, if required, is complete and extensive. The product can be launched on any platform but Linux, of course, is still the most effective. Also, it runs on all your mobile equipment. Jim From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Thu Oct 31 09:42:49 2013 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2013 07:42:49 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Digital signing Message-ID: Distributing a commercial app - very occasionally the user will get a message that the app is not digitally signed and won't open. So there must be some difference between those who get the message and those who don't. Is there a setting to disable that message? The app is distributed both as a run-time and as requiring Access but I don't know if the digital signing message is exclusive to one or the other. Any help greatly appreciated. It's suddenly become a big issue. MTIA Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.bchacc.com www.e-z-mrp.com Skype: rocky.smolin From fuller.artful at gmail.com Thu Oct 31 11:26:58 2013 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2013 12:26:58 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] The Clash is the Best Rock and in the World1 Message-ID: Yeah I know that in two weeks I'm going to turn 66. But that doesn't change my opinion. The Clash were the bet, closely followed by Talking Heads (c.f. Remain in Light -- what a magnificent reoord. It is impossible to do better than those two. -- Arthur From accessd at shaw.ca Thu Oct 31 13:44:54 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2013 12:44:54 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] The walking dead In-Reply-To: <224648413.46225024.1383167325404.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: <166022256.47157584.1383245094867.JavaMail.root@cds002> Here is a good start list of programs that are part of the "Walking Dead" and should be tossed as soon as possible. I must admit I still have sites with XP but will be either moving them to Linux or Windows 7, depending on what the client wants. For a more complete list of the toxic brew of the dead and dying, check out the link: http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/10-things/10-tech-products-that-belong-to-the-walking-dead/?tag=nl.e101&s_cid=e101&ttag=e101&ftag=TRE684d531 Jim From hans.andersen at phulse.com Thu Oct 31 13:49:36 2013 From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen) Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2013 11:49:36 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] New from OwnCloud In-Reply-To: <654583815.46225308.1383167343149.JavaMail.root@cds002> References: <654583815.46225308.1383167343149.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: <88E31B1D-162A-4612-BD59-F3899CF960CE@phulse.com> I'm getting more and more tempted to set up a server running owncloud at home. - Hans > On Oct 30, 2013, at 2:09 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > > Hi All: > > OwnCloud, a personal Cloud product has just added another great feature. You now has a multi-user document writer built in that compete well with either Google Doc or Microsoft 365 offerings: http://owncloud.org/six/ > > The great features are that you do not have to be paying for external Cloud hosting, though you can and that the connections are encrypted P2P. The OwnCloud Documents would be great for those collaborative efforts from a extended team or within a classroom environment. For those people who have limited bandwidth and/or are interested in security this is an ideal product: https://owncloud.com/why-on-premise > > The product is fully connectable and compatible with any desktop product as well, Microsoft and Libra Office...and many more. It has full Active Directory (AD) / LDAP integration which allows these features to extend across a remote and local network. > > http://owncloud.org/ > > The small business or personal product is free but if you need real enterprise, large educational or need service provider capabilities and all the bell and whistles, there are full pay options. Documentation and online support, if required, is complete and extensive. The product can be launched on any platform but Linux, of course, is still the most effective. Also, it runs on all your mobile equipment. > > Jim > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Thu Oct 31 14:01:39 2013 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2013 05:01:39 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] The walking dead In-Reply-To: <166022256.47157584.1383245094867.JavaMail.root@cds002> References: <224648413.46225024.1383167325404.JavaMail.root@cds002>, <166022256.47157584.1383245094867.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: <5272A913.272.2BBF8D66@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Generally true, but there is still a place for dot matrix! On 31 Oct 2013 at 12:44, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Here is a good start list of programs that are part of the "Walking > Dead" and should be tossed as soon as possible. > > I must admit I still have sites with XP but will be either moving them > to Linux or Windows 7, depending on what the client wants. For a more > complete list of the toxic brew of the dead and dying, check out the > link: > > http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/10-things/10-tech-products-that-belon > g-to-the-walking-dead/?tag=nl.e101&s_cid=e101&ttag=e101&ftag=TRE684d53 > 1 > > Jim > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From Gustav at cactus.dk Thu Oct 31 16:53:36 2013 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2013 22:53:36 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] The walking dead Message-ID: Hi Jim Yes, once again a nonsense-bla-bla blob on Tech Republic. Matrix printers are still in use in one business (which this Jack youngster probably doesn't even know exists): Shipping. We have a client running three Lexmark gunships ... they work all day, have done for years, and if you study the mechanics, it is a built for a lifetime of a human and will survive a Third World War. And why? Because when shipping to "outer" zones like most of Africa you just need papers with a lot of copies for all sorts of stamps and approvals. Print the AWB and it works. As for VHS and pagers, these are long gone at least in this part of the World. Fax is not, again in one business: Travel Agencies. Many small hotels and resorts in distant areas at exotic places have only simple telefone lines and small budgets. Regarding his comment on Internet Explorer, he is plain wrong. /gustav >>> stuart at lexacorp.com.pg 31-10-13 20:01 >>> Generally true, but there is still a place for dot matrix! On 31 Oct 2013 at 12:44, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Here is a good start list of programs that are part of the "Walking > Dead" and should be tossed as soon as possible. > > I must admit I still have sites with XP but will be either moving them > to Linux or Windows 7, depending on what the client wants. For a more > complete list of the toxic brew of the dead and dying, check out the link: > > http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/10-things/10-tech-products-that-belon > g-to-the-walking-dead/?tag=nl.e101&s_cid=e101&ttag=e101&ftag=TRE684d531 > > Jim From peter.brawley at earthlink.net Thu Oct 31 19:03:35 2013 From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley) Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2013 19:03:35 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] The walking dead In-Reply-To: <166022256.47157584.1383245094867.JavaMail.root@cds002> References: <166022256.47157584.1383245094867.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: <5272EFD7.40506@earthlink.net> On 2013-10-31 1:44 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Here is a good start list of programs that are part of the "Walking Dead" and should be tossed as soon as possible. Bullshit from corporations that wish us to believe old is terrible, new is necessary. PB ----- > > I must admit I still have sites with XP but will be either moving them to Linux or Windows 7, depending on what the client wants. For a more complete list of the toxic brew of the dead and dying, check out the link: > > http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/10-things/10-tech-products-that-belong-to-the-walking-dead/?tag=nl.e101&s_cid=e101&ttag=e101&ftag=TRE684d531 > > Jim > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From peter.brawley at earthlink.net Thu Oct 31 19:07:05 2013 From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley) Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2013 19:07:05 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] The walking dead In-Reply-To: <166022256.47157584.1383245094867.JavaMail.root@cds002> References: <166022256.47157584.1383245094867.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: <5272F0A9.1020502@earthlink.net> On 2013-10-31 1:44 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Here is a good start list of programs that are part of the "Walking Dead" and should be tossed as soon as possible. Corporate BS meant to persuade us old is terrible, expensive new is necessary. [Thunderbird choked on my first send, hope this isn't a dupe] PB ----- > > I must admit I still have sites with XP but will be either moving them to Linux or Windows 7, depending on what the client wants. For a more complete list of the toxic brew of the dead and dying, check out the link: > > http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/10-things/10-tech-products-that-belong-to-the-walking-dead/?tag=nl.e101&s_cid=e101&ttag=e101&ftag=TRE684d531 > > Jim > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >