From fuller.artful at gmail.com Tue Sep 3 06:21:54 2013 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2013 07:21:54 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Raspberry Pi Question Message-ID: A while back, there was much excitement about this "micro" computer, and I recall that at least some of you purchased one. I'm curious about what you have done with it. I've heard of a few things such as using a Pi to power a robot, but little else. -- Arthur From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk Tue Sep 3 06:24:45 2013 From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid) Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2013 12:24:45 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Arthur- My SQL Question Message-ID: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB082959C58E7ADF7@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk> Arthur Believe it or not I have a mysql question (<: We need to run a DTS from MySQL to SQL Server but the mysql driver doesn't appear in the list of available drivers even though we have it installed. Any ideas? Best Wishes Martin From fuller.artful at gmail.com Tue Sep 3 06:27:39 2013 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2013 07:27:39 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Microsoft to Acquire Nokia's cellphone business Message-ID: Will this $7B deal be enough to repurpose Microsoft? -- Arthur From fuller.artful at gmail.com Tue Sep 3 06:32:37 2013 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2013 07:32:37 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Arthur- My SQL Question In-Reply-To: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB082959C58E7ADF7@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk> References: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB082959C58E7ADF7@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk> Message-ID: Martin, I had this happen a while back, and I don't really understand why, but I recall that there is a separate download for the driver, and that fixed the problem. Give this URL a try: dev.*mysql*.com/*downloads*/connector/*odbc*/*5.1*.html Arthur On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 7:24 AM, Martin Reid wrote: > Arthur > > Believe it or not I have a mysql question (<: > > We need to run a DTS from MySQL to SQL Server but the mysql driver doesn't > appear in the list of available drivers even though we have it installed. > > Any ideas? > > Best Wishes > > Martin > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Arthur From gustav at cactus.dk Tue Sep 3 09:18:15 2013 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2013 16:18:15 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Microsoft to Acquire Nokia's cellphone business Message-ID: <011701cea8b0$6eb8d340$4c2a79c0$@cactus.dk> Hi Arthur It will be rebranded as Microphone ... /gustav -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Arthur Fuller Sendt: 3. september 2013 13:28 Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Emne: [dba-Tech] Microsoft to Acquire Nokia's cellphone business Will this $7B deal be enough to repurpose Microsoft? -- Arthur From peter.brawley at earthlink.net Tue Sep 3 10:12:39 2013 From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley) Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2013 10:12:39 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Raspberry Pi Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5225FC67.4070406@earthlink.net> On 2013-09-03 6:21 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > A while back, there was much excitement about this "micro" computer, and I > recall that at least some of you purchased one. I'm curious about what you > have done with it. I've heard of a few things such as using a Pi to power a > robot, but little else. A few brave hobbyists have installed MySQL server on it. PB From accessd at shaw.ca Tue Sep 3 12:44:40 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2013 11:44:40 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] Raspberry Pi Question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <751852401.46814013.1378230280968.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi Arthur: I do not have one myself as there are too many projects already, on my plate...most of which are running late. One day though... If you want to investigate further, here would be a good site to start with. It is a very good resource with links to the latest offerings and many of blogs, forums and community project groups. I was particularly fond of the project that allowed complete control of the micro-wave. ;-) http://www.element14.com/community/groups/raspberry-pi?CMP=KNC-USA-RPI-PRJCT HTH Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arthur Fuller" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Tuesday, September 3, 2013 4:21:54 AM Subject: [dba-Tech] Raspberry Pi Question A while back, there was much excitement about this "micro" computer, and I recall that at least some of you purchased one. I'm curious about what you have done with it. I've heard of a few things such as using a Pi to power a robot, but little else. -- Arthur _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Tue Sep 3 12:57:27 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2013 11:57:27 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] Microsoft to Acquire Nokia's cellphone business In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <2033500787.46832805.1378231047294.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi Arthur: Very interesting... It could do nothing but help Microsoft...in the long run. Aside: Patents are why companies buy out other companies. The patent trolls are always searching for another hapless violator, on which to feast. It should be noted that most of Microsoft's cell phone revenue comes from fees paid by Google, because of some old patent which could have stopped the Android OS from ever being made, if an agreement had not been reached. So in essence, Google is helping Microsoft buy Nokia. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arthur Fuller" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Tuesday, September 3, 2013 4:27:39 AM Subject: [dba-Tech] Microsoft to Acquire Nokia's cellphone business Will this $7B deal be enough to repurpose Microsoft? -- Arthur _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From mcp2004 at mail.ru Tue Sep 3 14:52:59 2013 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2013 23:52:59 +0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?Microsoft_to_Acquire_Nokia=27s_cellphone_bus?= =?utf-8?q?iness?= In-Reply-To: <2033500787.46832805.1378231047294.JavaMail.root@cds002> References: <2033500787.46832805.1378231047294.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: <1378237979.987377665@f191.i.mail.ru> FYI: http://view.officeapps.live.com/op/view.aspx?src=http://www.microsoft.com/investor/downloads/events/Accelerating_Growth_Sept_3_2013.pptx Tuesday, September 3, 2013 11:57 AM -06:00 from Jim Lawrence : >Hi Arthur: > >Very interesting... It could do nothing but help Microsoft...in the long run. > >Aside: Patents are why companies buy out other companies. The patent trolls are always searching for another hapless violator, on which to feast. It should be noted that most of Microsoft's cell phone revenue comes from fees paid by Google, because of some old patent which could have stopped the Android OS from ever being made, if an agreement had not been reached. So in essence, Google is helping Microsoft buy Nokia. > >Jim > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Arthur Fuller" < fuller.artful at gmail.com > >To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" < dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com > >Sent: Tuesday, September 3, 2013 4:27:39 AM >Subject: [dba-Tech] Microsoft to Acquire Nokia's cellphone business > >Will this $7B deal be enough to repurpose Microsoft? > >-- >Arthur >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- ???????????? ?????? From accessd at shaw.ca Tue Sep 3 15:59:34 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2013 14:59:34 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] Microsoft to Acquire Nokia's cellphone business In-Reply-To: <1378237979.987377665@f191.i.mail.ru> Message-ID: <1188187932.47059544.1378241974467.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi Shamil: It all looks very good on the surface (no pun intended). Now we shall see how this all plays out. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Tuesday, September 3, 2013 12:52:59 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Microsoft to Acquire Nokia's cellphone business FYI: http://view.officeapps.live.com/op/view.aspx?src=http://www.microsoft.com/investor/downloads/events/Accelerating_Growth_Sept_3_2013.pptx Tuesday, September 3, 2013 11:57 AM -06:00 from Jim Lawrence : >Hi Arthur: > >Very interesting... It could do nothing but help Microsoft...in the long run. > >Aside: Patents are why companies buy out other companies. The patent trolls are always searching for another hapless violator, on which to feast. It should be noted that most of Microsoft's cell phone revenue comes from fees paid by Google, because of some old patent which could have stopped the Android OS from ever being made, if an agreement had not been reached. So in essence, Google is helping Microsoft buy Nokia. > >Jim > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Arthur Fuller" < fuller.artful at gmail.com > >To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" < dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com > >Sent: Tuesday, September 3, 2013 4:27:39 AM >Subject: [dba-Tech] Microsoft to Acquire Nokia's cellphone business > >Will this $7B deal be enough to repurpose Microsoft? > >-- >Arthur >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- ???????????? ?????? _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Tue Sep 3 16:29:34 2013 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2013 07:29:34 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Microsoft to Acquire Nokia's cellphone business In-Reply-To: <1378237979.987377665@f191.i.mail.ru> References: , <2033500787.46832805.1378231047294.JavaMail.root@cds002>, <1378237979.987377665@f191.i.mail.ru> Message-ID: <522654BE.12188.119E47D5@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Accelerating Growth? That cries out for an XKCD :-) http://xkcd.com/1102/ On 3 Sep 2013 at 23:52, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote: > FYI: > http://view.officeapps.live.com/op/view.aspx?src=http://www.microsoft.com/investor/downloads/events/Accelerating_Growth_Sept_3_2013.pptx > > > Tuesday, September 3, 2013 11:57 AM -06:00 from Jim Lawrence : > >Hi Arthur: > > > >Very interesting... It could do nothing but help Microsoft...in the long run. > > > >Aside: Patents are why companies buy out other companies. The patent trolls are always searching for another hapless violator, on which to feast. It should be noted that most of Microsoft's cell phone revenue comes from fees paid by Google, because of some old patent which could have stopped the Android OS from ever being made, if an agreement had not been reached. So in essence, Google is helping Microsoft buy Nokia. > > > >Jim > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Arthur Fuller" < fuller.artful at gmail.com > > >To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" < dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com > > >Sent: Tuesday, September 3, 2013 4:27:39 AM > >Subject: [dba-Tech] Microsoft to Acquire Nokia's cellphone business > > > >Will this $7B deal be enough to repurpose Microsoft? > > > >-- > >Arthur > >_______________________________________________ > >dba-Tech mailing list > >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > >_______________________________________________ > >dba-Tech mailing list > >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Tue Sep 3 16:39:10 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2013 15:39:10 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] Microsoft to Acquire Nokia's cellphone business In-Reply-To: <522654BE.12188.119E47D5@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <403665059.47103239.1378244350059.JavaMail.root@cds002> :-) Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stuart McLachlan" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Tuesday, September 3, 2013 2:29:34 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Microsoft to Acquire Nokia's cellphone business Accelerating Growth? That cries out for an XKCD :-) http://xkcd.com/1102/ On 3 Sep 2013 at 23:52, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote: > FYI: > http://view.officeapps.live.com/op/view.aspx?src=http://www.microsoft.com/investor/downloads/events/Accelerating_Growth_Sept_3_2013.pptx > > > Tuesday, September 3, 2013 11:57 AM -06:00 from Jim Lawrence : > >Hi Arthur: > > > >Very interesting... It could do nothing but help Microsoft...in the long run. > > > >Aside: Patents are why companies buy out other companies. The patent trolls are always searching for another hapless violator, on which to feast. It should be noted that most of Microsoft's cell phone revenue comes from fees paid by Google, because of some old patent which could have stopped the Android OS from ever being made, if an agreement had not been reached. So in essence, Google is helping Microsoft buy Nokia. > > > >Jim > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Arthur Fuller" < fuller.artful at gmail.com > > >To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" < dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com > > >Sent: Tuesday, September 3, 2013 4:27:39 AM > >Subject: [dba-Tech] Microsoft to Acquire Nokia's cellphone business > > > >Will this $7B deal be enough to repurpose Microsoft? > > > >-- > >Arthur > >_______________________________________________ > >dba-Tech mailing list > >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > >_______________________________________________ > >dba-Tech mailing list > >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From marklbreen at gmail.com Tue Sep 3 17:29:16 2013 From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen) Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2013 23:29:16 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Raspberry Pi Question In-Reply-To: <5225FC67.4070406@earthlink.net> References: <5225FC67.4070406@earthlink.net> Message-ID: I installed mySQL on it and compared performance against my i7. It was ok, about 1/2 the speed. On 3 September 2013 16:12, Peter Brawley wrote: > On 2013-09-03 6:21 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > >> A while back, there was much excitement about this "micro" computer, and I >> recall that at least some of you purchased one. I'm curious about what you >> have done with it. I've heard of a few things such as using a Pi to power >> a >> robot, but little else. >> > > A few brave hobbyists have installed MySQL server on it. > > PB > > > ______________________________**_________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com > From hans.andersen at phulse.com Tue Sep 3 17:38:31 2013 From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen) Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2013 15:38:31 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Microsoft to Acquire Nokia's cellphone business In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Pretty interesting that Stephen Elop managed to get Nokia devalued to the point that Microsoft was able to purchase for cheaper than the price they paid for Skype. That's right... Skype. Microsoft sure hasn't changed. It's still the exact same shady company as it always has been. - Hans On 2013-09-03, at 4:27 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > Will this $7B deal be enough to repurpose Microsoft? > > -- > Arthur > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From michael at mattysconsulting.com Tue Sep 3 21:18:19 2013 From: michael at mattysconsulting.com (Michael Mattys) Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2013 22:18:19 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Microsoft to Acquire Nokia's cellphone business In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <005201cea915$071a3b10$154eb130$@mattysconsulting.com> I just read this whole thread. So, according to this thread, most connectivity is at population centers and each of the big providers are fighting for market share of these deep pools. The structure in place is ruled by, at best, fiber-optic cable. Is the next logical conclusion that Microsoft will announce gigabyte or terabyte data throughput via laser beam? Or is one of the large cable companies to be the next takeover target? Michael R Mattys Mattys Consulting, LLC www.mattysconsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hans-Christian Andersen Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2013 6:39 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Cc: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Microsoft to Acquire Nokia's cellphone business Pretty interesting that Stephen Elop managed to get Nokia devalued to the point that Microsoft was able to purchase for cheaper than the price they paid for Skype. That's right... Skype. Microsoft sure hasn't changed. It's still the exact same shady company as it always has been. - Hans On 2013-09-03, at 4:27 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > Will this $7B deal be enough to repurpose Microsoft? > > -- > Arthur > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Tue Sep 3 22:36:34 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2013 21:36:34 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] Software patents banned In-Reply-To: <2135351491.44899063.1377971702777.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: <636393261.47380182.1378265794211.JavaMail.root@cds002> Finally a common sense approach to software patents. Software designing is no longer about creating the better product, it is about establishing and holding onto the proper patents. These patents can then be used to block a competitors whole potential line of products just because some arbitrary theory has been encroached upon. Software patents by their nature tend to be veg and may try to blanket a whole logic concept, as being more specific would make infringement enforcement impossible. Unfortunately, trying to patent concepts and algorithms is almost impossible and the victor in a patent war goes to the challenger with the deepest pockets which only benefits the lawyer's firms representing the clients. New Zealand has taken a comment sense approach to the matter and has banned software patents in their country. http://www.zdnet.com/new-zealand-bans-software-patents-7000019955/ Hopeful, this trend will continue and much of the proprietary will be limited in scope and there will no longer be any unnatural restrictions to the art of software creation. I suspect Europe will be the next region to implement similar rulings. Jim From accessd at shaw.ca Tue Sep 3 23:16:22 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2013 22:16:22 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] Microsoft to Acquire Nokia's cellphone business In-Reply-To: <005201cea915$071a3b10$154eb130$@mattysconsulting.com> Message-ID: <1691515290.47405848.1378268182056.JavaMail.root@cds002> As the saying goes, the deeper the pocket, potentially the better the service. In the case of Microsoft, they have made their reputation by trying to either ignore industry standards or trying to take them over. If MS ever starts to show a wiliness to work with the rest of the industry and not just being dragged kicking and screaming into complying, my confidence in the company will restore...in time. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Mattys" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Tuesday, September 3, 2013 7:18:19 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Microsoft to Acquire Nokia's cellphone business I just read this whole thread. So, according to this thread, most connectivity is at population centers and each of the big providers are fighting for market share of these deep pools. The structure in place is ruled by, at best, fiber-optic cable. Is the next logical conclusion that Microsoft will announce gigabyte or terabyte data throughput via laser beam? Or is one of the large cable companies to be the next takeover target? Michael R Mattys Mattys Consulting, LLC www.mattysconsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hans-Christian Andersen Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2013 6:39 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Cc: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Microsoft to Acquire Nokia's cellphone business Pretty interesting that Stephen Elop managed to get Nokia devalued to the point that Microsoft was able to purchase for cheaper than the price they paid for Skype. That's right... Skype. Microsoft sure hasn't changed. It's still the exact same shady company as it always has been. - Hans On 2013-09-03, at 4:27 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > Will this $7B deal be enough to repurpose Microsoft? > > -- > Arthur > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From mcp2004 at mail.ru Wed Sep 4 06:39:21 2013 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2013 15:39:21 +0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?Microsoft_to_Acquire_Nokia=27s_cellphone_bus?= =?utf-8?q?iness?= In-Reply-To: <1188187932.47059544.1378241974467.JavaMail.root@cds002> References: <1378237979.987377665@f191.i.mail.ru> <1188187932.47059544.1378241974467.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: <1378294761.125473742@f345.i.mail.ru> Hi Jim -- Exactly. -- Shamil Tuesday, September 3, 2013 2:59 PM -06:00 from Jim Lawrence : >Hi Shamil: > >It all looks very good on the surface (no pun intended). Now we shall see how this all plays out. > >Jim > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" < mcp2004 at mail.ru > >To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" < dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com > >Sent: Tuesday, September 3, 2013 12:52:59 PM >Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Microsoft to Acquire Nokia's cellphone business > >?FYI: >http://view.officeapps.live.com/op/view.aspx?src=http://www.microsoft.com/investor/downloads/events/Accelerating_Growth_Sept_3_2013.pptx > > >Tuesday, September 3, 2013 11:57 AM -06:00 from Jim Lawrence < accessd at shaw.ca >: >>Hi Arthur: >> >>Very interesting... It could do nothing but help Microsoft...in the long run. >> >>Aside: Patents are why companies buy out other companies. The patent trolls are always searching for another hapless violator, on which to feast. It should be noted that most of Microsoft's cell phone revenue comes from fees paid by Google, because of some old patent which could have stopped the Android OS from ever being made, if an agreement had not been reached. So in essence, Google is helping Microsoft buy Nokia. >> >>Jim >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Arthur Fuller" < fuller.artful at gmail.com > >>To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" < dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com > >>Sent: Tuesday, September 3, 2013 4:27:39 AM >>Subject: [dba-Tech] Microsoft to Acquire Nokia's cellphone business >> >>Will this $7B deal be enough to repurpose Microsoft? >> >>-- >>Arthur > -- ???????????? ?????? From fuller.artful at gmail.com Wed Sep 4 14:05:46 2013 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2013 15:05:46 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Is Microsoft Dumping .Net? Message-ID: Interesting article on I Programmer; suggests that MS's move to HTML5 and JavaScript has left lots of .Net programmers miffed and feeling abandoned. See http://www.i-programmer.info/professional-programmer/i-programmer/2591-dumping-net-microsofts-madness.html . -- Arthur From fuller.artful at gmail.com Wed Sep 4 14:10:34 2013 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2013 15:10:34 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Google Replaces MySQL Adwords implementation with F1 Message-ID: Here is a snippet: Google has released details of the hybrid database appropriately named F1 that has replaced MySQL in the company?s Adwords platform. The article can be read at http://www.i-programmer.info/news/84/6324.html. -- Arthur From fuller.artful at gmail.com Wed Sep 4 14:22:18 2013 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2013 15:22:18 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Writing Technical Documentation Message-ID: Steve Losh has posted a nice article on writing tech-docs for programming languages and libraries. When I think back on some of the lib-docs I wrote, I wish that I had read this back then. See http://stevelosh.com/blog/2013/09/teach-dont-tell/. -- Arthur From accessd at shaw.ca Wed Sep 4 22:04:01 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2013 21:04:01 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] Is Microsoft Dumping .Net? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1406595087.48467782.1378350241286.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi Arthur: I just read an article on the same topic but the swing was the exact opposite. It was saying that Microsoft's adoption of the HTML5 standard was only half heartedly. MS just can't win. That fact is if MS wants to be taken seriously in the web world they are going to have to accept the standards. If that means something like the incorporating Google Youtube videos requires standardization, so be it. The rest of the internet has such a huge lead on Microsoft's adoption that unfortunately MS is going to have to just follow and at some time in the future they may be able to introduce their own standard where none currently exists or is not well established. The buying of Nokia phones may be just the opportunity for MS. A platform on which to develop their own standards...not a wise choice, in the long run, but at least in the short term, it may created a small group of entrenched developers. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arthur Fuller" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Wednesday, September 4, 2013 12:05:46 PM Subject: [dba-Tech] Is Microsoft Dumping .Net? Interesting article on I Programmer; suggests that MS's move to HTML5 and JavaScript has left lots of .Net programmers miffed and feeling abandoned. See http://www.i-programmer.info/professional-programmer/i-programmer/2591-dumping-net-microsofts-madness.html . -- Arthur _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Wed Sep 4 22:08:01 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2013 21:08:01 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] Google Replaces MySQL Adwords implementation with F1 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <511324870.48470662.1378350481452.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi Arthur: That does sound very interesting. If a DB application, with both FE and BE, using a hybrid system of Relational and NoSQL data and blended right, it could be a real winner. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arthur Fuller" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Wednesday, September 4, 2013 12:10:34 PM Subject: [dba-Tech] Google Replaces MySQL Adwords implementation with F1 Here is a snippet: Google has released details of the hybrid database appropriately named F1 that has replaced MySQL in the company?s Adwords platform. The article can be read at http://www.i-programmer.info/news/84/6324.html. -- Arthur _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Wed Sep 4 22:17:21 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2013 21:17:21 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] Writing Technical Documentation In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1252019021.48476993.1378351041650.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi Arthur: "Read the source code"... If you can read the source code and it makes perfect sense, you don't need docs because you have already fully learned. It is almost like a Catch22 argument. Teaching is a real art. If the programmer designer is really good then the chances are their documentation style skips over much of the details but OTOH, if the documentation is written by a non-programmer, they don't skip over any of the details. In both cases the docs are poor at best. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arthur Fuller" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Wednesday, September 4, 2013 12:22:18 PM Subject: [dba-Tech] Writing Technical Documentation Steve Losh has posted a nice article on writing tech-docs for programming languages and libraries. When I think back on some of the lib-docs I wrote, I wish that I had read this back then. See http://stevelosh.com/blog/2013/09/teach-dont-tell/. -- Arthur _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Wed Sep 4 22:34:07 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2013 21:34:07 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] A manager for Android In-Reply-To: <2135351491.44899063.1377971702777.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: <781304074.48487711.1378352047058.JavaMail.root@cds002> For all you boys and girls that have an Android product, tablet or smartphone, there is a remote manager for your device. https://www.google.com/android/devicemanager It requires that you have a Google logon, a recent version of Android and your GPS active (it can automatically turn this feature on). Once that there has been established connection to your Android you can do a number of things...like if you have lost it you can find it, viewing its current location, on Google maps, send a steady beep, if you need to find it under the back seat of your car or you can lock-it or actually clear it if the device was stolen. This is all from your laptop or PC. You can also check to see what features are available on the version of Android...version 2.2 and higher. To determine what version is running on your device, select Apps > Settings > About phone or About tablet. I have 2.1 on my phone. :-( Note: If you have a Samsung smartphone there is a Samsung supported management product called Samsung Kies which will allow you to backup and restore all personal data on the phone and allow you to update to the most current version, of Android, your phone model can handle. Jim From mcp2004 at mail.ru Thu Sep 5 04:15:18 2013 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2013 13:15:18 +0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?Is_Microsoft_Dumping_=2ENet=3F?= In-Reply-To: <1406595087.48467782.1378350241286.JavaMail.root@cds002> References: <1406595087.48467782.1378350241286.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: <1378372518.577203293@f73.i.mail.ru> Hi Jim -- <<< but at least in the short term, it may created a small group of entrenched developers. >>> Yes, if you are properly skilled, experienced, hardworking and lucky you have a chance to make your small fortune developing for WinPhone... and get happily yearly ?retired :) "Why Windows Phone is a huge opportunity for indie developers " http://blog.brianhama.com/2013/08/29/windows-phone-opportunity-for-indie-devs/ -- Shamil Wednesday, September 4, 2013 9:04 PM -06:00 from Jim Lawrence : >Hi Arthur: > >I just read an article on the same topic but the swing was the exact opposite. It was saying that Microsoft's adoption of the HTML5 standard was only half heartedly. MS just can't win. > >That fact is if MS wants to be taken seriously in the web world they are going to have to accept the standards. If that means something like the incorporating Google Youtube videos requires standardization, so be it. The rest of the internet has such a huge lead on Microsoft's adoption that unfortunately MS is going to have to just follow and at some time in the future they may be able to introduce their own standard where none currently exists or is not well established. > >The buying of Nokia phones may be just the opportunity for MS. A platform on which to develop their own standards...not a wise choice, in the long run, but at least in the short term, it may created a small group of entrenched developers. >?? >Jim > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Arthur Fuller" < fuller.artful at gmail.com > >To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" < dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com > >Sent: Wednesday, September 4, 2013 12:05:46 PM >Subject: [dba-Tech] Is Microsoft Dumping .Net? > >Interesting article on I Programmer; suggests that MS's move to HTML5 and >JavaScript has left lots of .Net programmers miffed and feeling abandoned. > >See >http://www.i-programmer.info/professional-programmer/i-programmer/2591-dumping-net-microsofts-madness.html >. > >-- >Arthur -- ???????????? ?????? From accessd at shaw.ca Thu Sep 5 15:33:30 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2013 14:33:30 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] Is Microsoft Dumping .Net? In-Reply-To: <1378372518.577203293@f73.i.mail.ru> Message-ID: <1191112703.49242300.1378413210114.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi Shamil: Let us hope that working on the new Windows phones will be very profitable. With the new potential, now that Windows owns Nokia, it is looking good. If you write in native code it is always faster running and a lot smoother. There are many developers that do but they also re-write their apps again for both the iOS and Android and it can be a very time consuming process. If a client wants some app done quickly, expensively, on multiple platforms is there any other way than to boiler-plate it together other than to write it in HTML5? PS You are doing a great hosting job? Are the streets very crowded? Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Thursday, September 5, 2013 2:15:18 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Is Microsoft Dumping .Net? Hi Jim -- <<< but at least in the short term, it may created a small group of entrenched developers. >>> Yes, if you are properly skilled, experienced, hardworking and lucky you have a chance to make your small fortune developing for WinPhone... and get happily yearly ?retired :) "Why Windows Phone is a huge opportunity for indie developers " http://blog.brianhama.com/2013/08/29/windows-phone-opportunity-for-indie-devs/ -- Shamil Wednesday, September 4, 2013 9:04 PM -06:00 from Jim Lawrence : >Hi Arthur: > >I just read an article on the same topic but the swing was the exact opposite. It was saying that Microsoft's adoption of the HTML5 standard was only half heartedly. MS just can't win. > >That fact is if MS wants to be taken seriously in the web world they are going to have to accept the standards. If that means something like the incorporating Google Youtube videos requires standardization, so be it. The rest of the internet has such a huge lead on Microsoft's adoption that unfortunately MS is going to have to just follow and at some time in the future they may be able to introduce their own standard where none currently exists or is not well established. > >The buying of Nokia phones may be just the opportunity for MS. A platform on which to develop their own standards...not a wise choice, in the long run, but at least in the short term, it may created a small group of entrenched developers. >?? >Jim > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Arthur Fuller" < fuller.artful at gmail.com > >To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" < dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com > >Sent: Wednesday, September 4, 2013 12:05:46 PM >Subject: [dba-Tech] Is Microsoft Dumping .Net? > >Interesting article on I Programmer; suggests that MS's move to HTML5 and >JavaScript has left lots of .Net programmers miffed and feeling abandoned. > >See >http://www.i-programmer.info/professional-programmer/i-programmer/2591-dumping-net-microsofts-madness.html >. > >-- >Arthur -- ???????????? ?????? _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From mcp2004 at mail.ru Thu Sep 5 16:27:16 2013 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2013 01:27:16 +0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?Is_Microsoft_Dumping_=2ENet=3F?= In-Reply-To: <1191112703.49242300.1378413210114.JavaMail.root@cds002> References: <1378372518.577203293@f73.i.mail.ru> <1191112703.49242300.1378413210114.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: <1378416436.283904123@f343.i.mail.ru> Hi Jim -- Most of the business mobile apps' functionality is expected to be hosted/run "on cloud" with not more than 10%-20% of total app's codebase being UI part - so assuming "cloud" part is done UI part development when using hybrid or native approach shouldn't be very time consuming I suppose... <<>> Do you ?mean current G20 summit? - they have got dedicated highway, which was built specifically for them, and most of G20 participants live outside of Spb downtown so G20 summit doesn't add any/that much new auto traffic jams. But local airport is paralyzed AFAIK. And Mr.Obama and also China officials decided to stay in the city AFAIHH so they could introduce quite some traffic jams in the mornings/evenings while driving to/from summit meetings. I must note I'm out of the city till the middle of the next week so I can just read about G20 summit from Internet, I do not watch local TV as it's a biased pro-Putin propaganda. The street do not look more crowded than usually - here are webcams (see live view at the middle of the following web pages) - city downtown - http://vpiter.com/web-camera-ploshad-vosstaniya/ , ? http://vpiter.com/web-camera-gostiniy-dvor/ ?, http://vpiter.com/web-camera-admiral/ ?,? http://vpiter.com/web-camera-kazan/ ?-?other ones -? http://vpiter.com/web-camera/ ?... -- Shamil Thursday, September 5, 2013 2:33 PM -06:00 from Jim Lawrence : >Hi Shamil: > >Let us hope that working on the new Windows phones will be very profitable. With the new potential, now that Windows owns Nokia, it is looking good. > >If you write in native code it is always faster running and a lot smoother. > >There are many developers that do but they also re-write their apps again for both the iOS and Android and it can be a very time consuming process. If a client wants some app done quickly, expensively, on multiple platforms is there any other way than to boiler-plate it together other than to write it in HTML5? > >PS You are doing a great hosting job? Are the streets very crowded? > >Jim > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" < mcp2004 at mail.ru > >To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" < dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com > >Sent: Thursday, September 5, 2013 2:15:18 AM >Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Is Microsoft Dumping .Net? > >?Hi Jim -- > ><<< >but at least in the short term, it may created a small group of entrenched developers. >>>> >Yes, if you are properly skilled, experienced, hardworking and lucky you have a chance to make your small fortune developing for WinPhone... and get happily yearly ?retired :) > >"Why Windows Phone is a huge opportunity for indie developers " >http://blog.brianhama.com/2013/08/29/windows-phone-opportunity-for-indie-devs/ > > >-- Shamil > >Wednesday, September 4, 2013 9:04 PM -06:00 from Jim Lawrence < accessd at shaw.ca >: >>Hi Arthur: >> >>I just read an article on the same topic but the swing was the exact opposite. It was saying that Microsoft's adoption of the HTML5 standard was only half heartedly. MS just can't win. >> >>That fact is if MS wants to be taken seriously in the web world they are going to have to accept the standards. If that means something like the incorporating Google Youtube videos requires standardization, so be it. The rest of the internet has such a huge lead on Microsoft's adoption that unfortunately MS is going to have to just follow and at some time in the future they may be able to introduce their own standard where none currently exists or is not well established. >> >>The buying of Nokia phones may be just the opportunity for MS. A platform on which to develop their own standards...not a wise choice, in the long run, but at least in the short term, it may created a small group of entrenched developers. >>?? >>Jim >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Arthur Fuller" < fuller.artful at gmail.com > >>To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" < dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com > >>Sent: Wednesday, September 4, 2013 12:05:46 PM >>Subject: [dba-Tech] Is Microsoft Dumping .Net? >> >>Interesting article on I Programmer; suggests that MS's move to HTML5 and >>JavaScript has left lots of .Net programmers miffed and feeling abandoned. >> >>See >> http://www.i-programmer.info/professional-programmer/i-programmer/2591-dumping-net-microsofts-madness.html >>. >> >>-- >>Arthur > >-- >???????????? ?????? -- ???????????? ?????? From peter.brawley at earthlink.net Thu Sep 5 17:26:32 2013 From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley) Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2013 17:26:32 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Is Microsoft Dumping .Net? In-Reply-To: <1191112703.49242300.1378413210114.JavaMail.root@cds002> References: <1191112703.49242300.1378413210114.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: <52290518.80301@earthlink.net> On 2013-09-05 3:33 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Hi Shamil: > > Let us hope that working on the new Windows phones will be very profitable. With the new potential, now that Windows owns Nokia, it is looking good. What would be good about that? > If you write in native code it is always faster running and a lot smoother. Sure, but marooned inside an operating system. PB ----- > > There are many developers that do but they also re-write their apps again for both the iOS and Android and it can be a very time consuming process. If a client wants some app done quickly, expensively, on multiple platforms is there any other way than to boiler-plate it together other than to write it in HTML5? > > PS You are doing a great hosting job? Are the streets very crowded? > > Jim > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > Sent: Thursday, September 5, 2013 2:15:18 AM > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Is Microsoft Dumping .Net? > > Hi Jim -- > > <<< > but at least in the short term, it may created a small group of entrenched developers. > Yes, if you are properly skilled, experienced, hardworking and lucky you have a chance to make your small fortune developing for WinPhone... and get happily yearly retired :) > > "Why Windows Phone is a huge opportunity for indie developers" > http://blog.brianhama.com/2013/08/29/windows-phone-opportunity-for-indie-devs/ > > > -- Shamil > > Wednesday, September 4, 2013 9:04 PM -06:00 from Jim Lawrence : >> Hi Arthur: >> >> I just read an article on the same topic but the swing was the exact opposite. It was saying that Microsoft's adoption of the HTML5 standard was only half heartedly. MS just can't win. >> >> That fact is if MS wants to be taken seriously in the web world they are going to have to accept the standards. If that means something like the incorporating Google Youtube videos requires standardization, so be it. The rest of the internet has such a huge lead on Microsoft's adoption that unfortunately MS is going to have to just follow and at some time in the future they may be able to introduce their own standard where none currently exists or is not well established. >> >> The buying of Nokia phones may be just the opportunity for MS. A platform on which to develop their own standards...not a wise choice, in the long run, but at least in the short term, it may created a small group of entrenched developers. >> >> Jim >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Arthur Fuller" < fuller.artful at gmail.com > >> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" < dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com > >> Sent: Wednesday, September 4, 2013 12:05:46 PM >> Subject: [dba-Tech] Is Microsoft Dumping .Net? >> >> Interesting article on I Programmer; suggests that MS's move to HTML5 and >> JavaScript has left lots of .Net programmers miffed and feeling abandoned. >> >> See >> http://www.i-programmer.info/professional-programmer/i-programmer/2591-dumping-net-microsofts-madness.html >> . >> >> -- >> Arthur From peter.brawley at earthlink.net Thu Sep 5 17:44:56 2013 From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley) Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2013 17:44:56 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] protecting our privacy Message-ID: <52290968.1050709@earthlink.net> US and UK spy agencies defeat privacy and security on the internet http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/05/nsa-gchq-encryption-codes-security "...the National Security Agency and its UK counterpart GCHQ have broadly compromised the guarantees that internet companies have given consumers to reassure them that their communications, online banking and medical records would be indecipherable to criminals or governments. Those methods include covert measures to ensure NSA control over setting of international encryption standards, the use of supercomputers to break encryption with "brute force", and ? the most closely guarded secret of all ? collaboration with technology companies and internet service providers themselves. Through these covert partnerships, the agencies have inserted secret vulnerabilities ? known as backdoors or trapdoors ? into commercial encryption software." Sigint ? how the NSA collaborates with technology companies http://www.theguardian.com/world/interactive/2013/sep/05/sigint-nsa-collaborates-technology-companies The US government has betrayed the internet. We need to take it back http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/sep/05/government-betrayed-internet-nsa-spying 1) Hide in the network eg with Tor, 2) Encrypt communication with TLS or IPsec, 3) isolate sensitive documents with sneakernet, 4) for encryption use ony open source software, PB From accessd at shaw.ca Thu Sep 5 18:26:50 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2013 17:26:50 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] Is Microsoft Dumping .Net? In-Reply-To: <1378416436.283904123@f343.i.mail.ru> Message-ID: <113517437.49440823.1378423610161.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi Shamil: I am concerned about moving everything to the cloud as not every region has good internet service and if you live here, under the cell phone monopolies, the prices for cell-phone coverage can be excessive. One client's business pays over thirty percent of their company's income in internet/wireless/cell coverage, every month and they only get off so cheap because I have them hosting their own websites and they have local applications. I understand Putin and wish you would extend our Prime minister's visit, indefinitely, as I am sure the two of them would get along very well as their philosophy's are very similar. Thanks for the links to cams. I will look again tomorrow as it is very late there (11 hours difference). Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Thursday, September 5, 2013 2:27:16 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Is Microsoft Dumping .Net? Hi Jim -- Most of the business mobile apps' functionality is expected to be hosted/run "on cloud" with not more than 10%-20% of total app's codebase being UI part - so assuming "cloud" part is done UI part development when using hybrid or native approach shouldn't be very time consuming I suppose... <<>> Do you ?mean current G20 summit? - they have got dedicated highway, which was built specifically for them, and most of G20 participants live outside of Spb downtown so G20 summit doesn't add any/that much new auto traffic jams. But local airport is paralyzed AFAIK. And Mr.Obama and also China officials decided to stay in the city AFAIHH so they could introduce quite some traffic jams in the mornings/evenings while driving to/from summit meetings. I must note I'm out of the city till the middle of the next week so I can just read about G20 summit from Internet, I do not watch local TV as it's a biased pro-Putin propaganda. The street do not look more crowded than usually - here are webcams (see live view at the middle of the following web pages) - city downtown - http://vpiter.com/web-camera-ploshad-vosstaniya/ , ? http://vpiter.com/web-camera-gostiniy-dvor/ ?, http://vpiter.com/web-camera-admiral/ ?,? http://vpiter.com/web-camera-kazan/ ?-?other ones -? http://vpiter.com/web-camera/ ?... -- Shamil Thursday, September 5, 2013 2:33 PM -06:00 from Jim Lawrence : >Hi Shamil: > >Let us hope that working on the new Windows phones will be very profitable. With the new potential, now that Windows owns Nokia, it is looking good. > >If you write in native code it is always faster running and a lot smoother. > >There are many developers that do but they also re-write their apps again for both the iOS and Android and it can be a very time consuming process. If a client wants some app done quickly, expensively, on multiple platforms is there any other way than to boiler-plate it together other than to write it in HTML5? > >PS You are doing a great hosting job? Are the streets very crowded? > >Jim > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" < mcp2004 at mail.ru > >To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" < dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com > >Sent: Thursday, September 5, 2013 2:15:18 AM >Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Is Microsoft Dumping .Net? > >?Hi Jim -- > ><<< >but at least in the short term, it may created a small group of entrenched developers. >>>> >Yes, if you are properly skilled, experienced, hardworking and lucky you have a chance to make your small fortune developing for WinPhone... and get happily yearly ?retired :) > >"Why Windows Phone is a huge opportunity for indie developers " >http://blog.brianhama.com/2013/08/29/windows-phone-opportunity-for-indie-devs/ > > >-- Shamil > >Wednesday, September 4, 2013 9:04 PM -06:00 from Jim Lawrence < accessd at shaw.ca >: >>Hi Arthur: >> >>I just read an article on the same topic but the swing was the exact opposite. It was saying that Microsoft's adoption of the HTML5 standard was only half heartedly. MS just can't win. >> >>That fact is if MS wants to be taken seriously in the web world they are going to have to accept the standards. If that means something like the incorporating Google Youtube videos requires standardization, so be it. The rest of the internet has such a huge lead on Microsoft's adoption that unfortunately MS is going to have to just follow and at some time in the future they may be able to introduce their own standard where none currently exists or is not well established. >> >>The buying of Nokia phones may be just the opportunity for MS. A platform on which to develop their own standards...not a wise choice, in the long run, but at least in the short term, it may created a small group of entrenched developers. >>?? >>Jim >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Arthur Fuller" < fuller.artful at gmail.com > >>To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" < dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com > >>Sent: Wednesday, September 4, 2013 12:05:46 PM >>Subject: [dba-Tech] Is Microsoft Dumping .Net? >> >>Interesting article on I Programmer; suggests that MS's move to HTML5 and >>JavaScript has left lots of .Net programmers miffed and feeling abandoned. >> >>See >> http://www.i-programmer.info/professional-programmer/i-programmer/2591-dumping-net-microsofts-madness.html >>. >> >>-- >>Arthur > >-- >???????????? ?????? -- ???????????? ?????? _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Thu Sep 5 18:37:39 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2013 17:37:39 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] Is Microsoft Dumping .Net? In-Reply-To: <52290518.80301@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <2089777155.49452111.1378424259010.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi Peter: >From a straight business point-of-view, owning Nokia, will give Microsoft access to markets they would never be able to generate. At present there are virtually no developer developing for the WinPhone platform so things can only get better. Just copying the concept of a successful app from another manufacturers has the immediate potential of making money, as competition is limited. OTOH, WinPhone will not be replace either iPhones or Android anytime in the immediate future. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Brawley" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Thursday, September 5, 2013 3:26:32 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Is Microsoft Dumping .Net? On 2013-09-05 3:33 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Hi Shamil: > > Let us hope that working on the new Windows phones will be very profitable. With the new potential, now that Windows owns Nokia, it is looking good. What would be good about that? > If you write in native code it is always faster running and a lot smoother. Sure, but marooned inside an operating system. PB ----- > > There are many developers that do but they also re-write their apps again for both the iOS and Android and it can be a very time consuming process. If a client wants some app done quickly, expensively, on multiple platforms is there any other way than to boiler-plate it together other than to write it in HTML5? > > PS You are doing a great hosting job? Are the streets very crowded? > > Jim > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > Sent: Thursday, September 5, 2013 2:15:18 AM > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Is Microsoft Dumping .Net? > > Hi Jim -- > > <<< > but at least in the short term, it may created a small group of entrenched developers. > Yes, if you are properly skilled, experienced, hardworking and lucky you have a chance to make your small fortune developing for WinPhone... and get happily yearly retired :) > > "Why Windows Phone is a huge opportunity for indie developers" > http://blog.brianhama.com/2013/08/29/windows-phone-opportunity-for-indie-devs/ > > > -- Shamil > > Wednesday, September 4, 2013 9:04 PM -06:00 from Jim Lawrence : >> Hi Arthur: >> >> I just read an article on the same topic but the swing was the exact opposite. It was saying that Microsoft's adoption of the HTML5 standard was only half heartedly. MS just can't win. >> >> That fact is if MS wants to be taken seriously in the web world they are going to have to accept the standards. If that means something like the incorporating Google Youtube videos requires standardization, so be it. The rest of the internet has such a huge lead on Microsoft's adoption that unfortunately MS is going to have to just follow and at some time in the future they may be able to introduce their own standard where none currently exists or is not well established. >> >> The buying of Nokia phones may be just the opportunity for MS. A platform on which to develop their own standards...not a wise choice, in the long run, but at least in the short term, it may created a small group of entrenched developers. >> >> Jim >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Arthur Fuller" < fuller.artful at gmail.com > >> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" < dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com > >> Sent: Wednesday, September 4, 2013 12:05:46 PM >> Subject: [dba-Tech] Is Microsoft Dumping .Net? >> >> Interesting article on I Programmer; suggests that MS's move to HTML5 and >> JavaScript has left lots of .Net programmers miffed and feeling abandoned. >> >> See >> http://www.i-programmer.info/professional-programmer/i-programmer/2591-dumping-net-microsofts-madness.html >> . >> >> -- >> Arthur _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Thu Sep 5 19:55:02 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2013 18:55:02 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] protecting our privacy In-Reply-To: <52290968.1050709@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <1826441538.49515548.1378428902888.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi Peter: The truth is that there is no way protect against a concerted effort by the NSA to search your personal information. I agree that it is a total betrayal of our system and the frontier of the internet, which gave everyone in the world, at least the perception of privacy, is gone. It is not just the NSA but the hundreds of other governments and companies who now know restrictions have been removed and will now feel no obligation to protect or guard anyone's privacy. If there was a community understanding of limits and rights and freedoms, they have been removed. As individuals, it is up you to protect or at least obscure your personal data as much as possible so that the harvesting will be difficult and expensive. Tor is a good start but the owner is now up on charges, I understand. BitMessage (https://bitmessage.org/wiki/Main_Page) client and a new BitMessage gateway (https://bitmessage.ch)as addons to your other email clients might be worth investigating. Good encryption, is always recommended especially if you are using the internet to transport people's personal information. Of course an individual's or company's best defenses is to use OSS software as most major proprietary software companies have been forced to participate in this backdoor scheme. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Brawley" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Thursday, September 5, 2013 3:44:56 PM Subject: [dba-Tech] protecting our privacy US and UK spy agencies defeat privacy and security on the internet http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/05/nsa-gchq-encryption-codes-security "...the National Security Agency and its UK counterpart GCHQ have broadly compromised the guarantees that internet companies have given consumers to reassure them that their communications, online banking and medical records would be indecipherable to criminals or governments. Those methods include covert measures to ensure NSA control over setting of international encryption standards, the use of supercomputers to break encryption with "brute force", and ? the most closely guarded secret of all ? collaboration with technology companies and internet service providers themselves. Through these covert partnerships, the agencies have inserted secret vulnerabilities ? known as backdoors or trapdoors ? into commercial encryption software." Sigint ? how the NSA collaborates with technology companies http://www.theguardian.com/world/interactive/2013/sep/05/sigint-nsa-collaborates-technology-companies The US government has betrayed the internet. We need to take it back http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/sep/05/government-betrayed-internet-nsa-spying 1) Hide in the network eg with Tor, 2) Encrypt communication with TLS or IPsec, 3) isolate sensitive documents with sneakernet, 4) for encryption use ony open source software, PB _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Thu Sep 5 20:14:44 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2013 19:14:44 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] protecting our privacy In-Reply-To: <52290968.1050709@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <973253477.49529353.1378430084336.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi Peter: I had not fully read all the articles. I have now; thank you muchly. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Brawley" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Thursday, September 5, 2013 3:44:56 PM Subject: [dba-Tech] protecting our privacy US and UK spy agencies defeat privacy and security on the internet http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/05/nsa-gchq-encryption-codes-security "...the National Security Agency and its UK counterpart GCHQ have broadly compromised the guarantees that internet companies have given consumers to reassure them that their communications, online banking and medical records would be indecipherable to criminals or governments. Those methods include covert measures to ensure NSA control over setting of international encryption standards, the use of supercomputers to break encryption with "brute force", and ? the most closely guarded secret of all ? collaboration with technology companies and internet service providers themselves. Through these covert partnerships, the agencies have inserted secret vulnerabilities ? known as backdoors or trapdoors ? into commercial encryption software." Sigint ? how the NSA collaborates with technology companies http://www.theguardian.com/world/interactive/2013/sep/05/sigint-nsa-collaborates-technology-companies The US government has betrayed the internet. We need to take it back http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/sep/05/government-betrayed-internet-nsa-spying 1) Hide in the network eg with Tor, 2) Encrypt communication with TLS or IPsec, 3) isolate sensitive documents with sneakernet, 4) for encryption use ony open source software, PB _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From hans.andersen at phulse.com Thu Sep 5 22:37:47 2013 From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen) Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2013 20:37:47 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Is Microsoft Dumping .Net? In-Reply-To: <2089777155.49452111.1378424259010.JavaMail.root@cds002> References: <2089777155.49452111.1378424259010.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: <305886BA-2072-46A7-9524-04B08FD87448@phulse.com> Sorry, Jim, but I can't think of any compelling reason for anyone to choose a Windows phone over an Android or iPhone. Until Microsoft figures that out, WP will continue to be a big flop. Nokia, for the most part, maintains a big market share in cheap mobile phones for lesser developed countries. Getting access to those markets is of little benefit to MS because the hardware needed to run the WP OS would make those phones unaffordable to those people. I'm not seeing the benefit. - Hans On 2013-09-05, at 4:37 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Hi Peter: > > From a straight business point-of-view, owning Nokia, will give Microsoft access to markets they would never be able to generate. At present there are virtually no developer developing for the WinPhone platform so things can only get better. Just copying the concept of a successful app from another manufacturers has the immediate potential of making money, as competition is limited. > > OTOH, WinPhone will not be replace either iPhones or Android anytime in the immediate future. > > Jim > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Peter Brawley" > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > Sent: Thursday, September 5, 2013 3:26:32 PM > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Is Microsoft Dumping .Net? > > On 2013-09-05 3:33 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: >> Hi Shamil: >> >> Let us hope that working on the new Windows phones will be very profitable. With the new potential, now that Windows owns Nokia, it is looking good. > > What would be good about that? > >> If you write in native code it is always faster running and a lot smoother. > > Sure, but marooned inside an operating system. > > PB > > ----- > >> >> There are many developers that do but they also re-write their apps again for both the iOS and Android and it can be a very time consuming process. If a client wants some app done quickly, expensively, on multiple platforms is there any other way than to boiler-plate it together other than to write it in HTML5? >> >> PS You are doing a great hosting job? Are the streets very crowded? >> >> Jim >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" >> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" >> Sent: Thursday, September 5, 2013 2:15:18 AM >> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Is Microsoft Dumping .Net? >> >> Hi Jim -- >> >> <<< >> but at least in the short term, it may created a small group of entrenched developers. >> Yes, if you are properly skilled, experienced, hardworking and lucky you have a chance to make your small fortune developing for WinPhone... and get happily yearly retired :) >> >> "Why Windows Phone is a huge opportunity for indie developers" >> http://blog.brianhama.com/2013/08/29/windows-phone-opportunity-for-indie-devs/ >> >> >> -- Shamil >> >> Wednesday, September 4, 2013 9:04 PM -06:00 from Jim Lawrence : >>> Hi Arthur: >>> >>> I just read an article on the same topic but the swing was the exact opposite. It was saying that Microsoft's adoption of the HTML5 standard was only half heartedly. MS just can't win. >>> >>> That fact is if MS wants to be taken seriously in the web world they are going to have to accept the standards. If that means something like the incorporating Google Youtube videos requires standardization, so be it. The rest of the internet has such a huge lead on Microsoft's adoption that unfortunately MS is going to have to just follow and at some time in the future they may be able to introduce their own standard where none currently exists or is not well established. >>> >>> The buying of Nokia phones may be just the opportunity for MS. A platform on which to develop their own standards...not a wise choice, in the long run, but at least in the short term, it may created a small group of entrenched developers. >>> >>> Jim >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Arthur Fuller" < fuller.artful at gmail.com > >>> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" < dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com > >>> Sent: Wednesday, September 4, 2013 12:05:46 PM >>> Subject: [dba-Tech] Is Microsoft Dumping .Net? >>> >>> Interesting article on I Programmer; suggests that MS's move to HTML5 and >>> JavaScript has left lots of .Net programmers miffed and feeling abandoned. >>> >>> See >>> http://www.i-programmer.info/professional-programmer/i-programmer/2591-dumping-net-microsofts-madness.html >>> . >>> >>> -- >>> Arthur > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From peter.brawley at earthlink.net Thu Sep 5 22:38:44 2013 From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley) Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2013 22:38:44 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] protecting our privacy In-Reply-To: <1826441538.49515548.1378428902888.JavaMail.root@cds002> References: <1826441538.49515548.1378428902888.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: <52294E44.3070502@earthlink.net> On 2013-09-05 7:55 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Hi Peter: > > The truth is that there is no way protect against a concerted effort by the NSA to search your personal information. As Bruce Schneier enumerates, there are defences that go some way toward protecting us, If we don't avail ourselves of them, shame on us. It might be time to re-read some of Milan Kundera's meditations on his experience with this kind of surveillance, esp his novel "The Joke". PB ------ > > I agree that it is a total betrayal of our system and the frontier of the internet, which gave everyone in the world, at least the perception of privacy, is gone. It is not just the NSA but the hundreds of other governments and companies who now know restrictions have been removed and will now feel no obligation to protect or guard anyone's privacy. If there was a community understanding of limits and rights and freedoms, they have been removed. As individuals, it is up you to protect or at least obscure your personal data as much as possible so that the harvesting will be difficult and expensive. > > Tor is a good start but the owner is now up on charges, I understand. BitMessage (https://bitmessage.org/wiki/Main_Page) client and a new BitMessage gateway (https://bitmessage.ch)as addons to your other email clients might be worth investigating. Good encryption, is always recommended especially if you are using the internet to transport people's personal information. > > Of course an individual's or company's best defenses is to use OSS software as most major proprietary software companies have been forced to participate in this backdoor scheme. > > Jim > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Peter Brawley" > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > Sent: Thursday, September 5, 2013 3:44:56 PM > Subject: [dba-Tech] protecting our privacy > > US and UK spy agencies defeat privacy and security on the internet > http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/05/nsa-gchq-encryption-codes-security > > "...the National Security Agency and its UK counterpart GCHQ have > broadly compromised the guarantees that internet companies have given > consumers to reassure them that their communications, online banking and > medical records would be indecipherable to criminals or governments. > > Those methods include covert measures to ensure NSA control over setting > of international encryption standards, the use of supercomputers to > break encryption with "brute force", and ? the most closely guarded > secret of all ? collaboration with technology companies and internet > service providers themselves. > > Through these covert partnerships, the agencies have inserted secret > vulnerabilities ? known as backdoors or trapdoors ? into commercial > encryption software." > > Sigint ? how the NSA collaborates with technology companies > http://www.theguardian.com/world/interactive/2013/sep/05/sigint-nsa-collaborates-technology-companies > > The US government has betrayed the internet. We need to take it back > http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/sep/05/government-betrayed-internet-nsa-spying > 1) Hide in the network eg with Tor, 2) Encrypt communication with TLS or > IPsec, 3) isolate sensitive documents with sneakernet, 4) for encryption > use ony open source software, > > PB > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From gustav at cactus.dk Fri Sep 6 01:48:23 2013 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2013 08:48:23 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Is Microsoft Dumping .Net? Message-ID: <001401ceaacd$1513a670$3f3af350$@cactus.dk> Hi Hans Ha ha, you mean you won't see any compelling reason. Then, of course, you won't see any. Let me give you just four very different reasons: 1. You can program for it in C#. 2. You will enjoy a superior interface. 3. You will stand out from the crowd. 4. As an Apple or Android fanboy you will challenge yourself by owning an evil device. As for the subject - Is Microsoft Dumping .Net? - it is just one more example how careful you should be not wasting your precious time reading blogs. /gustav -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Hans-Christian Andersen Sendt: 6. september 2013 05:38 Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Is Microsoft Dumping .Net? Sorry, Jim, but I can't think of any compelling reason for anyone to choose a Windows phone over an Android or iPhone. Until Microsoft figures that out, WP will continue to be a big flop. Nokia, for the most part, maintains a big market share in cheap mobile phones for lesser developed countries. Getting access to those markets is of little benefit to MS because the hardware needed to run the WP OS would make those phones unaffordable to those people. I'm not seeing the benefit. - Hans From hans.andersen at phulse.com Fri Sep 6 08:51:50 2013 From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen) Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2013 06:51:50 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Is Microsoft Dumping .Net? In-Reply-To: <001401ceaacd$1513a670$3f3af350$@cactus.dk> References: <001401ceaacd$1513a670$3f3af350$@cactus.dk> Message-ID: Hehe. I like your sense of humour. - Hans On 2013-09-05, at 11:48 PM, "Gustav Brock" wrote: > Hi Hans > > Ha ha, you mean you won't see any compelling reason. Then, of course, you > won't see any. > > Let me give you just four very different reasons: > > 1. You can program for it in C#. > 2. You will enjoy a superior interface. > 3. You will stand out from the crowd. > 4. As an Apple or Android fanboy you will challenge yourself by owning an > evil device. > > As for the subject - Is Microsoft Dumping .Net? - it is just one more > example how careful you should be not wasting your precious time reading > blogs. > > /gustav > > > -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- > Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Hans-Christian > Andersen > Sendt: 6. september 2013 05:38 > Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Is Microsoft Dumping .Net? > > Sorry, Jim, but I can't think of any compelling reason for anyone to choose > a Windows phone over an Android or iPhone. Until Microsoft figures that out, > WP will continue to be a big flop. > > Nokia, for the most part, maintains a big market share in cheap mobile > phones for lesser developed countries. Getting access to those markets is of > little benefit to MS because the hardware needed to run the WP OS would make > those phones unaffordable to those people. > > I'm not seeing the benefit. > > - Hans > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From gustav at cactus.dk Fri Sep 6 10:50:41 2013 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2013 17:50:41 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Smart Watches (was: Is Microsoft Dumping .Net?) Message-ID: <00ed01ceab18$d73172f0$859458d0$@cactus.dk> Hi Hans et al You have probably seen pictures of the upcoming smart watches, which seem to (also) be some kind of extended duplex remote control for your smartphone. What has struck me is the mostly messy user interface of these: http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=smartwatch Except for one, which again demonstrates the superity and scalability of the Metro/Modern interface: http://www.thelongrun.it/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/gnomio_smartwatch_2.jpg It will be interesting to follow how these will evolve. /gustav -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Hans-Christian Andersen Sendt: 6. september 2013 15:52 Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Is Microsoft Dumping .Net? Hehe. I like your sense of humour. - Hans On 2013-09-05, at 11:48 PM, "Gustav Brock" wrote: > Hi Hans > > Ha ha, you mean you won't see any compelling reason. Then, of course, > you won't see any. > > Let me give you just four very different reasons: > > 1. You can program for it in C#. > 2. You will enjoy a superior interface. > 3. You will stand out from the crowd. > 4. As an Apple or Android fanboy you will challenge yourself by owning > an evil device. > > As for the subject - Is Microsoft Dumping .Net? - it is just one more > example how careful you should be not wasting your precious time > reading blogs. > > /gustav > > > -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- > Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af > Hans-Christian Andersen > Sendt: 6. september 2013 05:38 > Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Is Microsoft Dumping .Net? > > Sorry, Jim, but I can't think of any compelling reason for anyone to > choose a Windows phone over an Android or iPhone. Until Microsoft > figures that out, WP will continue to be a big flop. > > Nokia, for the most part, maintains a big market share in cheap mobile > phones for lesser developed countries. Getting access to those markets > is of little benefit to MS because the hardware needed to run the WP > OS would make those phones unaffordable to those people. > > I'm not seeing the benefit. > > - Hans From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Fri Sep 6 11:13:45 2013 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2013 09:13:45 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Smart Watches (was: Is Microsoft Dumping .Net?) In-Reply-To: <00ed01ceab18$d73172f0$859458d0$@cactus.dk> References: <00ed01ceab18$d73172f0$859458d0$@cactus.dk> Message-ID: It would seem that you'd need a stylus to really use that interface, no? Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Friday, September 06, 2013 8:51 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Smart Watches (was: Is Microsoft Dumping .Net?) Hi Hans et al You have probably seen pictures of the upcoming smart watches, which seem to (also) be some kind of extended duplex remote control for your smartphone. What has struck me is the mostly messy user interface of these: http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=smartwatch Except for one, which again demonstrates the superity and scalability of the Metro/Modern interface: http://www.thelongrun.it/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/gnomio_smartwatch_2.jpg It will be interesting to follow how these will evolve. /gustav -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Hans-Christian Andersen Sendt: 6. september 2013 15:52 Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Is Microsoft Dumping .Net? Hehe. I like your sense of humour. - Hans On 2013-09-05, at 11:48 PM, "Gustav Brock" wrote: > Hi Hans > > Ha ha, you mean you won't see any compelling reason. Then, of course, > you won't see any. > > Let me give you just four very different reasons: > > 1. You can program for it in C#. > 2. You will enjoy a superior interface. > 3. You will stand out from the crowd. > 4. As an Apple or Android fanboy you will challenge yourself by owning > an evil device. > > As for the subject - Is Microsoft Dumping .Net? - it is just one more > example how careful you should be not wasting your precious time > reading blogs. > > /gustav > > > -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- > Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af > Hans-Christian Andersen > Sendt: 6. september 2013 05:38 > Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Is Microsoft Dumping .Net? > > Sorry, Jim, but I can't think of any compelling reason for anyone to > choose a Windows phone over an Android or iPhone. Until Microsoft > figures that out, WP will continue to be a big flop. > > Nokia, for the most part, maintains a big market share in cheap mobile > phones for lesser developed countries. Getting access to those markets > is of little benefit to MS because the hardware needed to run the WP > OS would make those phones unaffordable to those people. > > I'm not seeing the benefit. > > - Hans _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From gustav at cactus.dk Fri Sep 6 11:21:32 2013 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2013 18:21:32 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Smart Watches (was: Is Microsoft Dumping .Net?) Message-ID: <010201ceab1d$26351f60$729f5e20$@cactus.dk> Hi Rocky At least one picture shows a hand with a stylus. But I think it is not the general assumption that a stylus is needed. /gustav -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Rocky Smolin Sendt: 6. september 2013 18:14 Til: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Smart Watches (was: Is Microsoft Dumping .Net?) It would seem that you'd need a stylus to really use that interface, no? Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Friday, September 06, 2013 8:51 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Smart Watches (was: Is Microsoft Dumping .Net?) Hi Hans et al You have probably seen pictures of the upcoming smart watches, which seem to (also) be some kind of extended duplex remote control for your smartphone. What has struck me is the mostly messy user interface of these: http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=smartwatch Except for one, which again demonstrates the superity and scalability of the Metro/Modern interface: http://www.thelongrun.it/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/gnomio_smartwatch_2.jpg It will be interesting to follow how these will evolve. /gustav -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Hans-Christian Andersen Sendt: 6. september 2013 15:52 Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Is Microsoft Dumping .Net? Hehe. I like your sense of humour. - Hans On 2013-09-05, at 11:48 PM, "Gustav Brock" wrote: > Hi Hans > > Ha ha, you mean you won't see any compelling reason. Then, of course, > you won't see any. > > Let me give you just four very different reasons: > > 1. You can program for it in C#. > 2. You will enjoy a superior interface. > 3. You will stand out from the crowd. > 4. As an Apple or Android fanboy you will challenge yourself by owning > an evil device. > > As for the subject - Is Microsoft Dumping .Net? - it is just one more > example how careful you should be not wasting your precious time > reading blogs. > > /gustav > > > -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- > Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af > Hans-Christian Andersen > Sendt: 6. september 2013 05:38 > Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Is Microsoft Dumping .Net? > > Sorry, Jim, but I can't think of any compelling reason for anyone to > choose a Windows phone over an Android or iPhone. Until Microsoft > figures that out, WP will continue to be a big flop. > > Nokia, for the most part, maintains a big market share in cheap mobile > phones for lesser developed countries. Getting access to those markets > is of little benefit to MS because the hardware needed to run the WP > OS would make those phones unaffordable to those people. > > I'm not seeing the benefit. > > - Hans From mcp2004 at mail.ru Fri Sep 6 11:43:02 2013 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2013 20:43:02 +0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?Is_Microsoft_Dumping_=2ENet=3F?= In-Reply-To: <113517437.49440823.1378423610161.JavaMail.root@cds002> References: <1378416436.283904123@f343.i.mail.ru> <113517437.49440823.1378423610161.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: <1378485782.665503026@f386.i.mail.ru> Hi Jim -- Google and Facebook (and Microsoft !?) are going to solve not in that far future?the issue with Internet global accessibility/acceptability/coverage ?:) http://gizmodo.com/google-wants-to-use-balloons-to-cover-the-world-in-wi-f-513537918 http://www.internet.org/ BTW:? http://alphasoftware.net/sign-up-for-intel-webinar-on-html5-vs-native-featuring-alphas-cto-dan-bricklin/ -- Shamil Thursday, September 5, 2013 5:26 PM -06:00 from Jim Lawrence : >Hi Shamil: > >I am concerned about moving everything to the cloud as not every region has good internet service and if you live here, under the cell phone monopolies, the prices for cell-phone coverage can be excessive. One client's business pays over thirty percent of their company's income in internet/wireless/cell coverage, every month and they only get off so cheap because I have them hosting their own websites and they have local applications. > >I understand Putin and wish you would extend our Prime minister's visit, indefinitely, as I am sure the two of them would get along very well as their philosophy's are very similar. > >Thanks for the links to cams. I will look again tomorrow as it is very late there (11 hours difference). > >Jim > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" < mcp2004 at mail.ru > >To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" < dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com > >Sent: Thursday, September 5, 2013 2:27:16 PM >Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Is Microsoft Dumping .Net? > >?Hi Jim -- > >Most of the business mobile apps' functionality is expected to be hosted/run "on cloud" with not more than 10%-20% of total app's codebase being UI part - so assuming "cloud" part is done UI part development when using hybrid or native approach shouldn't be very time consuming I suppose... > ><<>> >Do you ?mean current G20 summit? - they have got dedicated highway, which was built specifically for them, and most of G20 participants live outside of Spb downtown so G20 summit doesn't add any/that much new auto traffic jams. But local airport is paralyzed AFAIK. And Mr.Obama and also China officials decided to stay in the city AFAIHH so they could introduce quite some traffic jams in the mornings/evenings while driving to/from summit meetings. >I must note I'm out of the city till the middle of the next week so I can just read about G20 summit from Internet, I do not watch local TV as it's a biased pro-Putin propaganda. >The street do not look more crowded than usually - here are webcams (see live view at the middle of the following web pages) - city downtown - http://vpiter.com/web-camera-ploshad-vosstaniya/ , ? http://vpiter.com/web-camera-gostiniy-dvor/ ?, http://vpiter.com/web-camera-admiral/ ?,? http://vpiter.com/web-camera-kazan/ ?-?other ones -? http://vpiter.com/web-camera/ ?... > >-- Shamil <<< skipped >>> >???????????? ?????? From accessd at shaw.ca Fri Sep 6 13:17:20 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2013 12:17:20 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] Smart Watches (was: Is Microsoft Dumping .Net?) In-Reply-To: <00ed01ceab18$d73172f0$859458d0$@cactus.dk> Message-ID: <644768309.50193670.1378491440702.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi Gustav: At the risk of dating myself, I actually like the Sony watch as it looks like a watch. http://ts1.mm.bing.net/th?id=H.4969785091491106&pid=1.9&w=300&h=300&p=0 Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gustav Brock" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Friday, September 6, 2013 8:50:41 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Smart Watches (was: Is Microsoft Dumping .Net?) Hi Hans et al You have probably seen pictures of the upcoming smart watches, which seem to (also) be some kind of extended duplex remote control for your smartphone. What has struck me is the mostly messy user interface of these: http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=smartwatch Except for one, which again demonstrates the superity and scalability of the Metro/Modern interface: http://www.thelongrun.it/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/gnomio_smartwatch_2.jpg It will be interesting to follow how these will evolve. /gustav -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Hans-Christian Andersen Sendt: 6. september 2013 15:52 Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Is Microsoft Dumping .Net? Hehe. I like your sense of humour. - Hans On 2013-09-05, at 11:48 PM, "Gustav Brock" wrote: > Hi Hans > > Ha ha, you mean you won't see any compelling reason. Then, of course, > you won't see any. > > Let me give you just four very different reasons: > > 1. You can program for it in C#. > 2. You will enjoy a superior interface. > 3. You will stand out from the crowd. > 4. As an Apple or Android fanboy you will challenge yourself by owning > an evil device. > > As for the subject - Is Microsoft Dumping .Net? - it is just one more > example how careful you should be not wasting your precious time > reading blogs. > > /gustav > > > -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- > Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af > Hans-Christian Andersen > Sendt: 6. september 2013 05:38 > Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Is Microsoft Dumping .Net? > > Sorry, Jim, but I can't think of any compelling reason for anyone to > choose a Windows phone over an Android or iPhone. Until Microsoft > figures that out, WP will continue to be a big flop. > > Nokia, for the most part, maintains a big market share in cheap mobile > phones for lesser developed countries. Getting access to those markets > is of little benefit to MS because the hardware needed to run the WP > OS would make those phones unaffordable to those people. > > I'm not seeing the benefit. > > - Hans _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Fri Sep 6 14:07:28 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2013 13:07:28 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] Is Microsoft Dumping .Net? In-Reply-To: <1378485782.665503026@f386.i.mail.ru> Message-ID: <1466001899.50244479.1378494448242.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi Shamil: That is a great idea. I love it. Unfortunately, it seems that the technological capability is not what is holding up the expansion of the internet. It seems more to do with profit...unless some company sees that there is a big profit for them they are not interested. Of course this is where governments have to step up but traditionally the companies with the control (ISPs in this case) are reluctant even resistant, as government involvement means less profit...at least in the short term. So this problem is what has to be addressed first and then everything else like universal internet will then will just fall into place. The HTML vs native code looks like a great webinar and I might sign up. I think we can both agree on some fact for now. Native code is faster and smoother and HTML is universal. It is a trade off. As a developer, the decision must be made whether it is more profitable to be able to make more money, per unit sale, on a smaller platform or is it more profitable to make less money, per unit sale, running on more platforms. The question is which choice would be more advantageous. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Friday, September 6, 2013 9:43:02 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Is Microsoft Dumping .Net? Hi Jim -- Google and Facebook (and Microsoft !?) are going to solve not in that far future?the issue with Internet global accessibility/acceptability/coverage ?:) http://gizmodo.com/google-wants-to-use-balloons-to-cover-the-world-in-wi-f-513537918 http://www.internet.org/ BTW:? http://alphasoftware.net/sign-up-for-intel-webinar-on-html5-vs-native-featuring-alphas-cto-dan-bricklin/ -- Shamil Thursday, September 5, 2013 5:26 PM -06:00 from Jim Lawrence : >Hi Shamil: > >I am concerned about moving everything to the cloud as not every region has good internet service and if you live here, under the cell phone monopolies, the prices for cell-phone coverage can be excessive. One client's business pays over thirty percent of their company's income in internet/wireless/cell coverage, every month and they only get off so cheap because I have them hosting their own websites and they have local applications. > >I understand Putin and wish you would extend our Prime minister's visit, indefinitely, as I am sure the two of them would get along very well as their philosophy's are very similar. > >Thanks for the links to cams. I will look again tomorrow as it is very late there (11 hours difference). > >Jim > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" < mcp2004 at mail.ru > >To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" < dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com > >Sent: Thursday, September 5, 2013 2:27:16 PM >Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Is Microsoft Dumping .Net? > >?Hi Jim -- > >Most of the business mobile apps' functionality is expected to be hosted/run "on cloud" with not more than 10%-20% of total app's codebase being UI part - so assuming "cloud" part is done UI part development when using hybrid or native approach shouldn't be very time consuming I suppose... > ><<>> >Do you ?mean current G20 summit? - they have got dedicated highway, which was built specifically for them, and most of G20 participants live outside of Spb downtown so G20 summit doesn't add any/that much new auto traffic jams. But local airport is paralyzed AFAIK. And Mr.Obama and also China officials decided to stay in the city AFAIHH so they could introduce quite some traffic jams in the mornings/evenings while driving to/from summit meetings. >I must note I'm out of the city till the middle of the next week so I can just read about G20 summit from Internet, I do not watch local TV as it's a biased pro-Putin propaganda. >The street do not look more crowded than usually - here are webcams (see live view at the middle of the following web pages) - city downtown - http://vpiter.com/web-camera-ploshad-vosstaniya/ , ? http://vpiter.com/web-camera-gostiniy-dvor/ ?, http://vpiter.com/web-camera-admiral/ ?,? http://vpiter.com/web-camera-kazan/ ?-?other ones -? http://vpiter.com/web-camera/ ?... > >-- Shamil <<< skipped >>> >???????????? ?????? _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From mcp2004 at mail.ru Fri Sep 6 14:56:20 2013 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2013 23:56:20 +0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?Is_Microsoft_Dumping_=2ENet=3F?= In-Reply-To: <1466001899.50244479.1378494448242.JavaMail.root@cds002> References: <1378485782.665503026@f386.i.mail.ru> <1466001899.50244479.1378494448242.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: <1378497380.173740361@f292.i.mail.ru> Hi Jim -- <<>> Yes. -- Shamil Friday, September 6, 2013 1:07 PM -06:00 from Jim Lawrence : >Hi Shamil: > >That is a great idea. I love it. > >Unfortunately, it seems that the technological capability is not what is holding up the expansion of the internet. > >It seems more to do with profit...unless some company sees that there is a big profit for them they are not interested. Of course this is where governments have to step up but traditionally the companies with the control (ISPs in this case) are reluctant even resistant, as government involvement means less profit...at least in the short term. > >So this problem is what has to be addressed first and then everything else like universal internet will then will just fall into place. > >The HTML vs native code looks like a great webinar and I might sign up. > >I think we can both agree on some fact for now. Native code is faster and smoother and HTML is universal. It is a trade off. As a developer, the decision must be made whether it is more profitable to be able to make more money, per unit sale, on a smaller platform or is it more profitable to make less money, per unit sale, running on more platforms. The question is which choice would be more advantageous. > >Jim > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" < mcp2004 at mail.ru > >To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" < dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com > >Sent: Friday, September 6, 2013 9:43:02 AM >Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Is Microsoft Dumping .Net? > >?Hi Jim -- > >Google and Facebook (and Microsoft !?) are going to solve not in that far future?the issue with Internet global accessibility/acceptability/coverage ?:) > >http://gizmodo.com/google-wants-to-use-balloons-to-cover-the-world-in-wi-f-513537918 > >http://www.internet.org/ > > >BTW:? http://alphasoftware.net/sign-up-for-intel-webinar-on-html5-vs-native-featuring-alphas-cto-dan-bricklin/ > >-- Shamil > >Thursday, September 5, 2013 5:26 PM -06:00 from Jim Lawrence < accessd at shaw.ca >: >>Hi Shamil: >> >>I am concerned about moving everything to the cloud as not every region has good internet service and if you live here, under the cell phone monopolies, the prices for cell-phone coverage can be excessive. One client's business pays over thirty percent of their company's income in internet/wireless/cell coverage, every month and they only get off so cheap because I have them hosting their own websites and they have local applications. >> >>I understand Putin and wish you would extend our Prime minister's visit, indefinitely, as I am sure the two of them would get along very well as their philosophy's are very similar. >> >>Thanks for the links to cams. I will look again tomorrow as it is very late there (11 hours difference). >> >>Jim >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" < mcp2004 at mail.ru > >>To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" < dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com > >>Sent: Thursday, September 5, 2013 2:27:16 PM >>Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Is Microsoft Dumping .Net? >> >>?Hi Jim -- >> >>Most of the business mobile apps' functionality is expected to be hosted/run "on cloud" with not more than 10%-20% of total app's codebase being UI part - so assuming "cloud" part is done UI part development when using hybrid or native approach shouldn't be very time consuming I suppose... >> >><<>> >>Do you ?mean current G20 summit? - they have got dedicated highway, which was built specifically for them, and most of G20 participants live outside of Spb downtown so G20 summit doesn't add any/that much new auto traffic jams. But local airport is paralyzed AFAIK. And Mr.Obama and also China officials decided to stay in the city AFAIHH so they could introduce quite some traffic jams in the mornings/evenings while driving to/from summit meetings. >>I must note I'm out of the city till the middle of the next week so I can just read about G20 summit from Internet, I do not watch local TV as it's a biased pro-Putin propaganda. >>The street do not look more crowded than usually - here are webcams (see live view at the middle of the following web pages) - city downtown - http://vpiter.com/web-camera-ploshad-vosstaniya/ , ? http://vpiter.com/web-camera-gostiniy-dvor/ ?, http://vpiter.com/web-camera-admiral/ ?,? http://vpiter.com/web-camera-kazan/ ?-?other ones -? http://vpiter.com/web-camera/ ?... >> >>-- Shamil <<< skipped >>> >>???????????? ?????? > >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- ???????????? ?????? From hans.andersen at phulse.com Fri Sep 6 15:09:18 2013 From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen) Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2013 13:09:18 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Smart Watches (was: Is Microsoft Dumping .Net?) In-Reply-To: <644768309.50193670.1378491440702.JavaMail.root@cds002> References: <644768309.50193670.1378491440702.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: <313E73FC-BC0D-4A7A-9B24-B4DAD5AFDC86@phulse.com> I agree with Jim, but I also have to say that I really hope these watches need to be recharged every day or even every few days. Maybe if its once every 2 weeks, then that might be bearable. Also, I don't know if I would say that this is a testament to the superior and scalable interface of the metro UI. It's just squares and not all that different than, for example, the iPod Nano 6th generation from 3 years ago, other than that Apple refers to round the corners of their squares. It's just a bunch of squares... I don't even like it, as an interface on a watch (same goes for the iPod Nano as a watch). Best regards, Hans-Christian Andersen On 6 Sep 2013, at 11:17, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Hi Gustav: > > At the risk of dating myself, I actually like the Sony watch as it looks like a watch. > > http://ts1.mm.bing.net/th?id=H.4969785091491106&pid=1.9&w=300&h=300&p=0 > > Jim > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gustav Brock" > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > Sent: Friday, September 6, 2013 8:50:41 AM > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Smart Watches (was: Is Microsoft Dumping .Net?) > > Hi Hans et al > > You have probably seen pictures of the upcoming smart watches, which seem to (also) be some kind of extended duplex remote control for your smartphone. > > What has struck me is the mostly messy user interface of these: > > http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=smartwatch > > Except for one, which again demonstrates the superity and scalability of the Metro/Modern interface: > > http://www.thelongrun.it/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/gnomio_smartwatch_2.jpg > > It will be interesting to follow how these will evolve. > > /gustav > > > -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- > Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Hans-Christian Andersen > Sendt: 6. september 2013 15:52 > Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Is Microsoft Dumping .Net? > > Hehe. I like your sense of humour. > > - Hans > > > On 2013-09-05, at 11:48 PM, "Gustav Brock" wrote: > >> Hi Hans >> >> Ha ha, you mean you won't see any compelling reason. Then, of course, >> you won't see any. >> >> Let me give you just four very different reasons: >> >> 1. You can program for it in C#. >> 2. You will enjoy a superior interface. >> 3. You will stand out from the crowd. >> 4. As an Apple or Android fanboy you will challenge yourself by owning >> an evil device. >> >> As for the subject - Is Microsoft Dumping .Net? - it is just one more >> example how careful you should be not wasting your precious time >> reading blogs. >> >> /gustav >> >> >> -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- >> Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af >> Hans-Christian Andersen >> Sendt: 6. september 2013 05:38 >> Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues >> Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Is Microsoft Dumping .Net? >> >> Sorry, Jim, but I can't think of any compelling reason for anyone to >> choose a Windows phone over an Android or iPhone. Until Microsoft >> figures that out, WP will continue to be a big flop. >> >> Nokia, for the most part, maintains a big market share in cheap mobile >> phones for lesser developed countries. Getting access to those markets >> is of little benefit to MS because the hardware needed to run the WP >> OS would make those phones unaffordable to those people. >> >> I'm not seeing the benefit. >> >> - Hans > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From tinanfields at torchlake.com Sat Sep 7 16:39:11 2013 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Sat, 07 Sep 2013 17:39:11 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Writing Technical Documentation In-Reply-To: <1252019021.48476993.1378351041650.JavaMail.root@cds002> References: <1252019021.48476993.1378351041650.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: <522B9CFF.7080606@torchlake.com> Jim, Yeah, that was one of the strong points the author was making. Telling someone to read the source code isn't the same as teaching that person how the project works. Interesting post. I very much enjoyed the perspective. TNF Tina Norris Fields tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com 231-322-2787 On 9/4/2013 11:17 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Hi Arthur: > > "Read the source code"... If you can read the source code and it makes perfect sense, you don't need docs because you have already fully learned. It is almost like a Catch22 argument. > > Teaching is a real art. If the programmer designer is really good then the chances are their documentation style skips over much of the details but OTOH, if the documentation is written by a non-programmer, they don't skip over any of the details. In both cases the docs are poor at best. > > Jim > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Arthur Fuller" > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > Sent: Wednesday, September 4, 2013 12:22:18 PM > Subject: [dba-Tech] Writing Technical Documentation > > Steve Losh has posted a nice article on writing tech-docs for programming > languages and libraries. When I think back on some of the lib-docs I wrote, > I wish that I had read this back then. > > See http://stevelosh.com/blog/2013/09/teach-dont-tell/. > From accessd at shaw.ca Sat Sep 7 22:20:45 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2013 21:20:45 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] Writing Technical Documentation In-Reply-To: <522B9CFF.7080606@torchlake.com> Message-ID: <3071391.51202446.1378610445968.JavaMail.root@cds002> Thanks Tina for your comments. I then reread the post again. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tina Norris Fields" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Saturday, September 7, 2013 2:39:11 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Writing Technical Documentation Jim, Yeah, that was one of the strong points the author was making. Telling someone to read the source code isn't the same as teaching that person how the project works. Interesting post. I very much enjoyed the perspective. TNF Tina Norris Fields tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com 231-322-2787 On 9/4/2013 11:17 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Hi Arthur: > > "Read the source code"... If you can read the source code and it makes perfect sense, you don't need docs because you have already fully learned. It is almost like a Catch22 argument. > > Teaching is a real art. If the programmer designer is really good then the chances are their documentation style skips over much of the details but OTOH, if the documentation is written by a non-programmer, they don't skip over any of the details. In both cases the docs are poor at best. > > Jim > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Arthur Fuller" > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > Sent: Wednesday, September 4, 2013 12:22:18 PM > Subject: [dba-Tech] Writing Technical Documentation > > Steve Losh has posted a nice article on writing tech-docs for programming > languages and libraries. When I think back on some of the lib-docs I wrote, > I wish that I had read this back then. > > See http://stevelosh.com/blog/2013/09/teach-dont-tell/. > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Sep 9 00:51:25 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2013 23:51:25 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] New secure cheap wireless... In-Reply-To: <313E73FC-BC0D-4A7A-9B24-B4DAD5AFDC86@phulse.com> Message-ID: <1754538599.51860955.1378705885330.JavaMail.root@cds002> There is a new OS cheap wireless system known as Flutter which can work at over a kilometer range. http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/2021474419/flutter-20-wireless-arduino-with-half-mile-1km-ran Jim From fuller.artful at gmail.com Mon Sep 9 05:08:33 2013 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2013 06:08:33 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Raspberry Pi Question In-Reply-To: References: <5225FC67.4070406@earthlink.net> Message-ID: I just received an email from PackT Publishing that featured several new eBooks on programming the Pi. For anyone interested, the titles are: C Programming for Arduino Raspberry Pi Home Automation with Arduino Raspberry Pi Networking Cookbook Raspberry Pi Media Center Arthur From robert at servicexp.com Mon Sep 9 08:13:20 2013 From: robert at servicexp.com (Robert) Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2013 09:13:20 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] New secure cheap wireless... In-Reply-To: <1754538599.51860955.1378705885330.JavaMail.root@cds002> References: <313E73FC-BC0D-4A7A-9B24-B4DAD5AFDC86@phulse.com> <1754538599.51860955.1378705885330.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: <000c01cead5e$5ff584e0$1fe08ea0$@com> Not to be confused with WiFi though.. It's more of a project wireless. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 1:51 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] New secure cheap wireless... There is a new OS cheap wireless system known as Flutter which can work at over a kilometer range. http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/2021474419/flutter-20-wireless-arduino-w ith-half-mile-1km-ran Jim _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Sep 9 11:41:48 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2013 10:41:48 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] The big change In-Reply-To: <1378497380.173740361@f292.i.mail.ru> Message-ID: <1888369854.52219509.1378744908806.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi All: There is a real reason why Steve Balmer is leaving Microsoft. It is the end of the Bill Gates era and things at Microsoft and those that work for the company either directly or indirectly are going to have to make some major changes in their ways of working and thinking. Balmer understood that he is not the person to move MS forward anymore and has decided to bow out. Microsoft is going to be moving in direction and/or focus. This is truly the end of an era, an era where MS provided the platform, much of the products and third party companies provided the rest. That concept from Bill Gates was excellent and very sucessful but it is not working now...times have changed. Universal platforms as we have grown up with them are gone. The purchase of Nikoa has said it all. http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/technology/2013/09/microsoft_nokia_deal_a_great_idea_that_came_too_late_and_killed_windows.html Now that the market is moving away from the a single unified plaform some serious decisions must be made. In the next few years Microsoft as we have known it is going change and I suspect dramatically. Microsoft really has no choice. http://blogs.computerworld.com/windows/22740/heres-why-ballmers-successor-must-diss-windows-save-microsoft We can not have everything moving to the web. Consumers are only interested in portable platforms but these are now considered real business machines. Businesses have different concerns than general user...these clients are the producers. They what server infrastructure and security. I will bet that, even if only internally, Microsoft will spit into two distinct companies. http://readwrite.com/2013/09/05/microsoft-must-split-or-lose-enterprise-customers#awesm=~ogXK3dcq0VOoy7 Aside: Technet is gone. With the empahasis no longer on platform based products MS felt there was no need for ther Technet subscription. Good or bad...I for one was disappointed to see it go. Jim From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Sep 9 11:49:13 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2013 10:49:13 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] Raspberry Pi Question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1102781575.52229043.1378745353161.JavaMail.root@cds002> Thanks Arthur. I will keep these links for reference material. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arthur Fuller" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Monday, September 9, 2013 3:08:33 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Raspberry Pi Question I just received an email from PackT Publishing that featured several new eBooks on programming the Pi. For anyone interested, the titles are: C Programming for Arduino Raspberry Pi Home Automation with Arduino Raspberry Pi Networking Cookbook Raspberry Pi Media Center Arthur _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Sep 9 12:19:24 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2013 11:19:24 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] New secure cheap wireless... In-Reply-To: <000c01cead5e$5ff584e0$1fe08ea0$@com> Message-ID: <605315220.52269222.1378747164542.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi Robert: I suspect this technology will be a while before such an option is available in the mainstream like in our routers. For now it will just be used at home by enthusiast. It would be nice to be able to work down at the park and being able to use your own personal network and not having to rely on your proximity to a cell phone tower. Another benefit is that it is OS, the whole issues of security can be addressed as well. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Monday, September 9, 2013 6:13:20 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] New secure cheap wireless... Not to be confused with WiFi though.. It's more of a project wireless. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 1:51 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] New secure cheap wireless... There is a new OS cheap wireless system known as Flutter which can work at over a kilometer range. http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/2021474419/flutter-20-wireless-arduino-w ith-half-mile-1km-ran Jim _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Mon Sep 9 16:58:08 2013 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2013 07:58:08 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] New secure cheap wireless... In-Reply-To: <605315220.52269222.1378747164542.JavaMail.root@cds002> References: <000c01cead5e$5ff584e0$1fe08ea0$@com>, <605315220.52269222.1378747164542.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: <522E4470.8180.309E7A0E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> You appear to have misunderstand the concept/purpose. As Robert said, it's nothing like WiFi. It's more like the protocol used for robotics, remote control cars and model airplanes or the old X-10 home automation. It means that you can turn your aircon on from the park, not read a file on your computer. -- Stuart On 9 Sep 2013 at 11:19, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Hi Robert: > > I suspect this technology will be a while before such an option is > available in the mainstream like in our routers. For now it will just > be used at home by enthusiast. It would be nice to be able to work > down at the park and being able to use your own personal network and > not having to rely on your proximity to a cell phone tower. > > Another benefit is that it is OS, the whole issues of security can be addressed as well. > > Jim > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Robert" > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > Sent: Monday, September 9, 2013 6:13:20 AM > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] New secure cheap wireless... > > Not to be confused with WiFi though.. It's more of a project wireless. > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence > Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 1:51 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: [dba-Tech] New secure cheap wireless... > > There is a new OS cheap wireless system known as Flutter which can work at > over a kilometer range. > > http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/2021474419/flutter-20-wireless-arduino-w > ith-half-mile-1km-ran > > Jim > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From fuller.artful at gmail.com Mon Sep 9 17:54:36 2013 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2013 18:54:36 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] The big change In-Reply-To: <1888369854.52219509.1378744908806.JavaMail.root@cds002> References: <1378497380.173740361@f292.i.mail.ru> <1888369854.52219509.1378744908806.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: Jim, I agree with most of what you said and some of what your citations said. Clearly the marketplace has shifted, and we dinosaurs who put on our blinkers and see the rapidly-dimishing market for desktop apps (irrespective of programming language)... I for one Refuse to die in the asphalt tar-sands. Thank God for Alpha Anywhere to lead me out of these tar-sands. Were it not for that company, I would fold my tent and steal away like Arabs in the night (that's not a slur but a vaguely recollected poem or story from Rudyard Kipling, or possibly someone else; memory fails, in direct proportion to age). A. From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Mon Sep 9 18:08:33 2013 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2013 16:08:33 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] The big change In-Reply-To: References: <1378497380.173740361@f292.i.mail.ru><1888369854.52219509.1378744908806.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: Longfellow: And the night shall be filled with music, And the cares that infest the day, Shall fold their tents, like the Arabs, And quietly steal away." Beautiful. Guy had a real way with words, didn't he? R -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 3:55 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] The big change Jim, I agree with most of what you said and some of what your citations said. Clearly the marketplace has shifted, and we dinosaurs who put on our blinkers and see the rapidly-dimishing market for desktop apps (irrespective of programming language)... I for one Refuse to die in the asphalt tar-sands. Thank God for Alpha Anywhere to lead me out of these tar-sands. Were it not for that company, I would fold my tent and steal away like Arabs in the night (that's not a slur but a vaguely recollected poem or story from Rudyard Kipling, or possibly someone else; memory fails, in direct proportion to age). A. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Mon Sep 9 18:10:40 2013 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2013 16:10:40 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] The big change In-Reply-To: References: <1378497380.173740361@f292.i.mail.ru><1888369854.52219509.1378744908806.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: <2FC98EE1DDA144A080AC24D584A8900A@HAL9007> I fired up Basic4Android today. Not a slam dunk but looks like a good way to develop an android app. Bus man's holiday, I guess. I don't need it for my career but it's time to play with phones and tablets. My Access career is about done. I did get a button installed on the emulator phone and clicked it and it said "Hello World!" :) R -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 3:55 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] The big change Jim, I agree with most of what you said and some of what your citations said. Clearly the marketplace has shifted, and we dinosaurs who put on our blinkers and see the rapidly-dimishing market for desktop apps (irrespective of programming language)... I for one Refuse to die in the asphalt tar-sands. Thank God for Alpha Anywhere to lead me out of these tar-sands. Were it not for that company, I would fold my tent and steal away like Arabs in the night (that's not a slur but a vaguely recollected poem or story from Rudyard Kipling, or possibly someone else; memory fails, in direct proportion to age). A. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Mon Sep 9 18:29:36 2013 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2013 09:29:36 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] The big change In-Reply-To: <2FC98EE1DDA144A080AC24D584A8900A@HAL9007> References: <1378497380.173740361@f292.i.mail.ru>, , <2FC98EE1DDA144A080AC24D584A8900A@HAL9007> Message-ID: <522E59E0.15553.30F236BA@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> I don't currently use an emulator. With B4A Bridge on a target device, you can work with the real thing. If I ever get around to building a Store app that will have to work on lots of devices with different screen sizes, I guess I will have to do so. -- Stuart On 9 Sep 2013 at 16:10, Rocky Smolin wrote: > I fired up Basic4Android today. Not a slam dunk but looks like a good way > to develop an android app. Bus man's holiday, I guess. I don't need it for > my career but it's time to play with phones and tablets. My Access career > is about done. > > I did get a button installed on the emulator phone and clicked it and it > said "Hello World!" :) > > R > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller > Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 3:55 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] The big change > > Jim, > > I agree with most of what you said and some of what your citations said. > Clearly the marketplace has shifted, and we dinosaurs who put on our > blinkers and see the rapidly-dimishing market for desktop apps (irrespective > of programming language)... I for one Refuse to die in the asphalt > tar-sands. Thank God for Alpha Anywhere to lead me out of these tar-sands. > Were it not for that company, I would fold my tent and steal away like Arabs > in the night (that's not a slur but a vaguely recollected poem or story from > Rudyard Kipling, or possibly someone else; memory fails, in direct > proportion to age). > > A. > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Mon Sep 9 18:40:48 2013 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2013 16:40:48 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] The big change In-Reply-To: <522E59E0.15553.30F236BA@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <1378497380.173740361@f292.i.mail.ru>, , <2FC98EE1DDA144A080AC24D584A8900A@HAL9007> <522E59E0.15553.30F236BA@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: Disfortunately I don't have the real thing. Still have a stupid phone and no tablet. However, B4A appears to be able to emulate a wide variety of devices. So that will suffice for the time being and I can maybe see the difference among devices. So now I'm wondering if you develop an app do you have to send different versions of the app depending on the target device. Meantime, our contract with Verizon has expired on 4 of the five lines on our family plan and Pundit is asking for a smart phone so it may be time. Of course the data pan is $40 per month per line so with taxes and fees we're into another $1000 a year. Right now between us we don't use 100 minutes a month. Of course I can develop for a long time with the emulator and upload to my son's phone and tablet for beta testing. R -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 4:30 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] The big change I don't currently use an emulator. With B4A Bridge on a target device, you can work with the real thing. If I ever get around to building a Store app that will have to work on lots of devices with different screen sizes, I guess I will have to do so. -- Stuart On 9 Sep 2013 at 16:10, Rocky Smolin wrote: > I fired up Basic4Android today. Not a slam dunk but looks like a good way > to develop an android app. Bus man's holiday, I guess. I don't need it for > my career but it's time to play with phones and tablets. My Access career > is about done. > > I did get a button installed on the emulator phone and clicked it and it > said "Hello World!" :) > > R > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller > Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 3:55 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] The big change > > Jim, > > I agree with most of what you said and some of what your citations said. > Clearly the marketplace has shifted, and we dinosaurs who put on our > blinkers and see the rapidly-dimishing market for desktop apps (irrespective > of programming language)... I for one Refuse to die in the asphalt > tar-sands. Thank God for Alpha Anywhere to lead me out of these tar-sands. > Were it not for that company, I would fold my tent and steal away like Arabs > in the night (that's not a slur but a vaguely recollected poem or story from > Rudyard Kipling, or possibly someone else; memory fails, in direct > proportion to age). > > A. > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Sep 9 22:18:57 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2013 21:18:57 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] The big change In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <692662100.52813449.1378783137588.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi Arthur: The Windows market is unlikely to ever disappear. The only way it will ever disappear is in Microsoft's hands. There is no magic bullet, or special OS that will ever again have the complete dominance that Microsoft had. In the old days, as a young developer, you just had to become competent in Windows and your career was set. That is not the case today. Now young developers has to spread their talent around, Windows maybe, iOS maybe, Linux maybe and web development. So a developer who wants a future has to do a combination specialize and diversify. I personally think, at least on this continent and probably Europe the future is, number one in the Web/web serves/Linux (it is probably 40 percent of the market share?), two would be windows (25 percent?) and the rest would be iOS and others. As for new markets they have not been going to Windows, for example China, India,... Dell has announced that they are opening a thousand stores in China, all selling Dells with Ubuntu Linux. http://blog.canonical.com/2013/09/05/canonical-dell-launching-ubuntu-in-china-in-1000-stores/ That said, Windows (hopefully) is going nowhere soon and all us old guys be long gone before that happens...and anyway there is more than enough legacy work to keep us all gainfully employed. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arthur Fuller" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Monday, September 9, 2013 3:54:36 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] The big change Jim, I agree with most of what you said and some of what your citations said. Clearly the marketplace has shifted, and we dinosaurs who put on our blinkers and see the rapidly-dimishing market for desktop apps (irrespective of programming language)... I for one Refuse to die in the asphalt tar-sands. Thank God for Alpha Anywhere to lead me out of these tar-sands. Were it not for that company, I would fold my tent and steal away like Arabs in the night (that's not a slur but a vaguely recollected poem or story from Rudyard Kipling, or possibly someone else; memory fails, in direct proportion to age). A. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Sep 9 23:26:15 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2013 22:26:15 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] New secure cheap wireless... In-Reply-To: <522E4470.8180.309E7A0E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <1710840637.52852652.1378787175534.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi Stewart: I did understand that this protocol is not WiFi or even close to it. At this moment is a proprietary communications protocol for connecting with proprietary hardware and really has little or no impact on what currently exists. What I was commenting and speculating on was that all this transport needs to be very useful is to be able to connect to a router and from anywhere. The text and video, in Startup document eluded to this possibility. Network Shield (Flutter Base Station) Want to use Flutter at home? Get more use out of it with the Flutter Network shield, a permanent base station for Flutter at your home or office. Connect directly to your router over Ethernet, or take advantage of the integrated wifi module (CC3000) to easily hop on your wifi. Once connected, your projects can send data to and from the web, your computers, and our mobile app. Bluetooth Shield The Bluetooth Shield connects your phone to Flutter no matter where you are, giving you the advantages of our mobile app anywhere you have Flutter. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stuart McLachlan" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Monday, September 9, 2013 2:58:08 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] New secure cheap wireless... You appear to have misunderstand the concept/purpose. As Robert said, it's nothing like WiFi. It's more like the protocol used for robotics, remote control cars and model airplanes or the old X-10 home automation. It means that you can turn your aircon on from the park, not read a file on your computer. -- Stuart On 9 Sep 2013 at 11:19, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Hi Robert: > > I suspect this technology will be a while before such an option is > available in the mainstream like in our routers. For now it will just > be used at home by enthusiast. It would be nice to be able to work > down at the park and being able to use your own personal network and > not having to rely on your proximity to a cell phone tower. > > Another benefit is that it is OS, the whole issues of security can be addressed as well. > > Jim > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Robert" > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > Sent: Monday, September 9, 2013 6:13:20 AM > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] New secure cheap wireless... > > Not to be confused with WiFi though.. It's more of a project wireless. > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence > Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 1:51 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: [dba-Tech] New secure cheap wireless... > > There is a new OS cheap wireless system known as Flutter which can work at > over a kilometer range. > > http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/2021474419/flutter-20-wireless-arduino-w > ith-half-mile-1km-ran > > Jim > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Sep 9 23:49:22 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2013 22:49:22 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] The big change In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1340873749.52863964.1378788562583.JavaMail.root@cds002> One of my mother's favourite poets(?) Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rocky Smolin" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Monday, September 9, 2013 4:08:33 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] The big change Longfellow: And the night shall be filled with music, And the cares that infest the day, Shall fold their tents, like the Arabs, And quietly steal away." Beautiful. Guy had a real way with words, didn't he? R -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 3:55 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] The big change Jim, I agree with most of what you said and some of what your citations said. Clearly the marketplace has shifted, and we dinosaurs who put on our blinkers and see the rapidly-dimishing market for desktop apps (irrespective of programming language)... I for one Refuse to die in the asphalt tar-sands. Thank God for Alpha Anywhere to lead me out of these tar-sands. Were it not for that company, I would fold my tent and steal away like Arabs in the night (that's not a slur but a vaguely recollected poem or story from Rudyard Kipling, or possibly someone else; memory fails, in direct proportion to age). A. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From marklbreen at gmail.com Tue Sep 10 03:39:20 2013 From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen) Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2013 09:39:20 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] The big change In-Reply-To: References: <1378497380.173740361@f292.i.mail.ru> <1888369854.52219509.1378744908806.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: Hello Arthur and Rocky, Funny, I was reaching for the like button on these two email from you both only to realise I am in my email :) On 10 September 2013 00:08, Rocky Smolin wrote: > Longfellow: > > And the night shall be filled with music, > And the cares that infest the day, > Shall fold their tents, like the Arabs, > And quietly steal away." > > Beautiful. Guy had a real way with words, didn't he? > > R > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller > Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 3:55 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] The big change > > Jim, > > I agree with most of what you said and some of what your citations said. > Clearly the marketplace has shifted, and we dinosaurs who put on our > blinkers and see the rapidly-dimishing market for desktop apps > (irrespective > of programming language)... I for one Refuse to die in the asphalt > tar-sands. Thank God for Alpha Anywhere to lead me out of these tar-sands. > Were it not for that company, I would fold my tent and steal away like > Arabs > in the night (that's not a slur but a vaguely recollected poem or story > from > Rudyard Kipling, or possibly someone else; memory fails, in direct > proportion to age). > > A. > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From accessd at shaw.ca Tue Sep 10 13:12:05 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2013 12:12:05 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] Microsoft and its future In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1910014218.53390505.1378836725541.JavaMail.root@cds002> Microsoft for many years played it safe. Safe, in that it did not get invested heavily in commodity market (selling hardware). It has done well with the XBox but so far its latest ventures can not be said to have been that successful. In the late seventies and early eighties, I worked exclusively with the two largest computer companies in the world. IBM and DEC (VAX). DEC made the first 64bit PC computer and our office bought one for only 15K...a UNIX box. For a short time, while in my own business, I even sold Compac computers (I even sold AST). In the mid-nineties DEC crashed, was sold off to Compac which followed suit shortly after. Even today I still find that amazing...amazing that a company, originally so large and successful (with an excellent virtual OS) should just crash, burn and then disappear. In the following link, the article draws close comparisons between Microsoft and DEC and the author feels a note of caution should be seriously observed. IMHO, Microsoft should be taking some serious courses and learning lessons from recent history. http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9242253/Decline_of_Digital_Equipment_offers_lessons_for_Microsoft Aside: Do not get me wrong; I do not dislike Microsoft, in fact they have been very very good to me, but I truly believe that Steve Balmer was the worse thing that could have happen to MS and the damage he has done to the company may have not run its full course, yet. I still believe Microsoft will survive all this but it is going to be a bumpy ride. Jim From fuller.artful at gmail.com Tue Sep 10 18:35:33 2013 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2013 19:35:33 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Microsoft and its future In-Reply-To: <1910014218.53390505.1378836725541.JavaMail.root@cds002> References: <1910014218.53390505.1378836725541.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: Jim, Like you, I do not despise Microsoft, and have made a living developing apps in that framework. Over the years I have turned from a purely-Access developer into an Office-integration developer, i.e. one who combines Word and Excel and Access and even PowerPoint into a seamless app. That said, I have grown oh so tired of this approach, and find that I am almost always in Ubuntu Linux, nd when I need to revisit Windows I go there via a VirtualBox VM. The only reasons I do this are to support old Access apps and to put more time into mastering Alpha Anywhere. Aside from those, my heart is in Ubuntu. On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 2:12 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Microsoft for many years played it safe. > > Safe, in that it did not get invested heavily in commodity market (selling > hardware). It has done well with the XBox but so far its latest ventures > can not be said to have been that successful. > > In the late seventies and early eighties, I worked exclusively with the > two largest computer companies in the world. IBM and DEC (VAX). DEC made > the first 64bit PC computer and our office bought one for only 15K...a UNIX > box. For a short time, while in my own business, I even sold Compac > computers (I even sold AST). In the mid-nineties DEC crashed, was sold off > to Compac which followed suit shortly after. Even today I still find that > amazing...amazing that a company, originally so large and successful (with > an excellent virtual OS) should just crash, burn and then disappear. > > In the following link, the article draws close comparisons between > Microsoft and DEC and the author feels a note of caution should be > seriously observed. IMHO, Microsoft should be taking some serious courses > and learning lessons from recent history. > > > http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9242253/Decline_of_Digital_Equipment_offers_lessons_for_Microsoft > > Aside: Do not get me wrong; I do not dislike Microsoft, in fact they have > been very very good to me, but I truly believe that Steve Balmer was the > worse thing that could have happen to MS and the damage he has done to the > company may have not run its full course, yet. I still believe Microsoft > will survive all this but it is going to be a bumpy ride. > > Jim > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Arthur From hans.andersen at phulse.com Tue Sep 10 21:36:01 2013 From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen) Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2013 19:36:01 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Microsoft and its future In-Reply-To: <1910014218.53390505.1378836725541.JavaMail.root@cds002> References: <1910014218.53390505.1378836725541.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: I honestly don't see a brighter future for Microsoft - especially if they promote a CEO from within, like Stephen Elop. Even the mere suggestion that they are considering Elop raises some serious questions about what really happened at Nokia and Elops/Microsofts role in the matter. Never the less, Microsoft is so stuck on the old business model of the Microsoft OEM tax and MS Office, that, unless they break the company apart, everything will always be held back by those concerns. The Xbox division of Microsoft is a perfect example and a rare one too. From what I've read, they were given a lot of freedom to make their own decisions compared to other parts of the company. Ballmer or any of the other usual misfit executives were not directly involved in that division and, as a consequence, the Xbox did quite well and has an enthusiastic fan base. Now compare that to mostly every other new consumer market Microsoft has pushed into lately? MP3 devices, pre-iPad tablets and the Surface, smartphones (before and after WP7), etc. Rather than a DEC, I can imagine Microsoft becoming like IBM. What MS does well is software and integrating software. They don't do hardware well and they are even worse as a platform monopoly. It's is part of why they are struggling in this brave new world. Best regards, Hans-Christian Andersen On 10 Sep 2013, at 11:12, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Microsoft for many years played it safe. > > Safe, in that it did not get invested heavily in commodity market (selling hardware). It has done well with the XBox but so far its latest ventures can not be said to have been that successful. > > In the late seventies and early eighties, I worked exclusively with the two largest computer companies in the world. IBM and DEC (VAX). DEC made the first 64bit PC computer and our office bought one for only 15K...a UNIX box. For a short time, while in my own business, I even sold Compac computers (I even sold AST). In the mid-nineties DEC crashed, was sold off to Compac which followed suit shortly after. Even today I still find that amazing...amazing that a company, originally so large and successful (with an excellent virtual OS) should just crash, burn and then disappear. > > In the following link, the article draws close comparisons between Microsoft and DEC and the author feels a note of caution should be seriously observed. IMHO, Microsoft should be taking some serious courses and learning lessons from recent history. > > http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9242253/Decline_of_Digital_Equipment_offers_lessons_for_Microsoft > > Aside: Do not get me wrong; I do not dislike Microsoft, in fact they have been very very good to me, but I truly believe that Steve Balmer was the worse thing that could have happen to MS and the damage he has done to the company may have not run its full course, yet. I still believe Microsoft will survive all this but it is going to be a bumpy ride. > > Jim > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From peter.brawley at earthlink.net Tue Sep 10 23:23:38 2013 From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley) Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2013 23:23:38 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Microsoft and its future In-Reply-To: References: <1910014218.53390505.1378836725541.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: <522FF04A.4060308@earthlink.net> We have one 'puter running Win 8. Despite its prettiness, it made a terrible first impression. Once we got round the idiocies of the unswipeable Metro UI modelled on a swipeable UI, Win 8 didn't seem all that bad. After a couple of months of trying to help my wife find the stuff she needs in Win 8, I wish I could throw the machine in the lake. Windows 8.1 was supposed to fix some of worst Win 8 problems. It doesn't (http://www.infoworld.com/d/microsoft-windows/windows-81-review-new-version-same-mess-226510). The utter cluelessness of the Win 8 design and unfix 8.1 doesn't argue that Microsoft will or should have a bright future. PB ----- On 2013-09-10 9:36 PM, Hans-Christian Andersen wrote: > I honestly don't see a brighter future for Microsoft - especially if they promote a CEO from within, like Stephen Elop. Even the mere suggestion that they are considering Elop raises some serious questions about what really happened at Nokia and Elops/Microsofts role in the matter. > > Never the less, Microsoft is so stuck on the old business model of the Microsoft OEM tax and MS Office, that, unless they break the company apart, everything will always be held back by those concerns. The Xbox division of Microsoft is a perfect example and a rare one too. From what I've read, they were given a lot of freedom to make their own decisions compared to other parts of the company. Ballmer or any of the other usual misfit executives were not directly involved in that division and, as a consequence, the Xbox did quite well and has an enthusiastic fan base. Now compare that to mostly every other new consumer market Microsoft has pushed into lately? MP3 devices, pre-iPad tablets and the Surface, smartphones (before and after WP7), etc. > > Rather than a DEC, I can imagine Microsoft becoming like IBM. What MS does well is software and integrating software. They don't do hardware well and they are even worse as a platform monopoly. It's is part of why they are struggling in this brave new world. > > Best regards, > Hans-Christian Andersen > > > On 10 Sep 2013, at 11:12, Jim Lawrence wrote: > >> Microsoft for many years played it safe. >> >> Safe, in that it did not get invested heavily in commodity market (selling hardware). It has done well with the XBox but so far its latest ventures can not be said to have been that successful. >> >> In the late seventies and early eighties, I worked exclusively with the two largest computer companies in the world. IBM and DEC (VAX). DEC made the first 64bit PC computer and our office bought one for only 15K...a UNIX box. For a short time, while in my own business, I even sold Compac computers (I even sold AST). In the mid-nineties DEC crashed, was sold off to Compac which followed suit shortly after. Even today I still find that amazing...amazing that a company, originally so large and successful (with an excellent virtual OS) should just crash, burn and then disappear. >> >> In the following link, the article draws close comparisons between Microsoft and DEC and the author feels a note of caution should be seriously observed. IMHO, Microsoft should be taking some serious courses and learning lessons from recent history. >> >> http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9242253/Decline_of_Digital_Equipment_offers_lessons_for_Microsoft >> >> Aside: Do not get me wrong; I do not dislike Microsoft, in fact they have been very very good to me, but I truly believe that Steve Balmer was the worse thing that could have happen to MS and the damage he has done to the company may have not run its full course, yet. I still believe Microsoft will survive all this but it is going to be a bumpy ride. >> >> Jim >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From fuller.artful at gmail.com Wed Sep 11 07:49:12 2013 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2013 08:49:12 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Microsoft and its future In-Reply-To: <522FF04A.4060308@earthlink.net> References: <1910014218.53390505.1378836725541.JavaMail.root@cds002> <522FF04A.4060308@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Initially I shared your frustration with Windows 8, but after a few days and a reading of a free PDF I downloaded from somewhere called Windows 8 User Guide, I found myself growing fond of it. One big deal was attaching an external monitor to my laptop, in stretch mode so both the built-in and external were regarded as a single monitor. The aforementioned Guide taught me a very important keystroke: a single tap on the Windows key, which invokes a Win7-style desktop. Hence the beauty of having a pair of monitors: I dragged the whole Win7 desktop to the external monitor and left the tiles on the built-in. Most of my work and tools are Win7-era, but once I'd installed all the usual suspects (Office, NoteTab, Alpha Anywhere, SQL Server, MySQL etc.), most of which In pinned to the taskbar, and from then on I was a very happy camper. I guess you could colour me Converted. Arthur On Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 12:23 AM, Peter Brawley wrote: > We have one 'puter running Win 8. Despite its prettiness, it made a > terrible first impression. Once we got round the idiocies of the > unswipeable Metro UI modelled on a swipeable UI, Win 8 didn't seem all that > bad. > > After a couple of months of trying to help my wife find the stuff she > needs in Win 8, I wish I could throw the machine in the lake. > > Windows 8.1 was supposed to fix some of worst Win 8 problems. It doesn't ( > http://www.infoworld.com/d/**microsoft-windows/windows-81-** > review-new-version-same-mess-**226510 > ). > > The utter cluelessness of the Win 8 design and unfix 8.1 doesn't argue > that Microsoft will or should have a bright future. > > PB > > ----- > > > On 2013-09-10 9:36 PM, Hans-Christian Andersen wrote: > >> I honestly don't see a brighter future for Microsoft - especially if they >> promote a CEO from within, like Stephen Elop. Even the mere suggestion that >> they are considering Elop raises some serious questions about what really >> happened at Nokia and Elops/Microsofts role in the matter. >> >> Never the less, Microsoft is so stuck on the old business model of the >> Microsoft OEM tax and MS Office, that, unless they break the company apart, >> everything will always be held back by those concerns. The Xbox division of >> Microsoft is a perfect example and a rare one too. From what I've read, >> they were given a lot of freedom to make their own decisions compared to >> other parts of the company. Ballmer or any of the other usual misfit >> executives were not directly involved in that division and, as a >> consequence, the Xbox did quite well and has an enthusiastic fan base. Now >> compare that to mostly every other new consumer market Microsoft has pushed >> into lately? MP3 devices, pre-iPad tablets and the Surface, smartphones >> (before and after WP7), etc. >> >> Rather than a DEC, I can imagine Microsoft becoming like IBM. What MS >> does well is software and integrating software. They don't do hardware well >> and they are even worse as a platform monopoly. It's is part of why they >> are struggling in this brave new world. >> >> Best regards, >> Hans-Christian Andersen >> >> >> On 10 Sep 2013, at 11:12, Jim Lawrence wrote: >> >> Microsoft for many years played it safe. >>> >>> Safe, in that it did not get invested heavily in commodity market >>> (selling hardware). It has done well with the XBox but so far its latest >>> ventures can not be said to have been that successful. >>> >>> In the late seventies and early eighties, I worked exclusively with the >>> two largest computer companies in the world. IBM and DEC (VAX). DEC made >>> the first 64bit PC computer and our office bought one for only 15K...a UNIX >>> box. For a short time, while in my own business, I even sold Compac >>> computers (I even sold AST). In the mid-nineties DEC crashed, was sold off >>> to Compac which followed suit shortly after. Even today I still find that >>> amazing...amazing that a company, originally so large and successful (with >>> an excellent virtual OS) should just crash, burn and then disappear. >>> >>> In the following link, the article draws close comparisons between >>> Microsoft and DEC and the author feels a note of caution should be >>> seriously observed. IMHO, Microsoft should be taking some serious courses >>> and learning lessons from recent history. >>> >>> http://www.computerworld.com/**s/article/9242253/Decline_of_** >>> Digital_Equipment_offers_**lessons_for_Microsoft >>> >>> Aside: Do not get me wrong; I do not dislike Microsoft, in fact they >>> have been very very good to me, but I truly believe that Steve Balmer was >>> the worse thing that could have happen to MS and the damage he has done to >>> the company may have not run its full course, yet. I still believe >>> Microsoft will survive all this but it is going to be a bumpy ride. >>> >>> Jim >>> ______________________________**_________________ >>> dba-Tech mailing list >>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com >>> >> ______________________________**_________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com >> >> > ______________________________**_________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com > -- Arthur From peter.brawley at earthlink.net Wed Sep 11 10:53:24 2013 From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley) Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2013 10:53:24 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Microsoft and its future In-Reply-To: References: <1910014218.53390505.1378836725541.JavaMail.root@cds002> <522FF04A.4060308@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <523091F4.4000803@earthlink.net> On 2013-09-11 7:49 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > Initially I shared your frustration with Windows 8, but after a few days > and a reading of a free PDF I downloaded from somewhere called Windows 8 > User Guide, I found myself growing fond of it. One big deal was attaching > an external monitor to my laptop, in stretch mode so both the built-in and > external were regarded as a single monitor. The aforementioned Guide taught > me a very important keystroke: a single tap on the Windows key, which > invokes a Win7-style desktop. Hence the beauty of having a pair of > monitors: I dragged the whole Win7 desktop to the external monitor and left > the tiles on the built-in. > > Most of my work and tools are Win7-era, but once I'd installed all the > usual suspects (Office, NoteTab, Alpha Anywhere, SQL Server, MySQL etc.), > most of which In pinned to the taskbar, and from then on I was a very happy > camper. I guess you could colour me Converted. If an accomplished Windows developer couldn't master its basics in a few days, Win8 wouldn't have made it out of beta. Presumably corporations that have married themselves to Microsoft give Win8 training sessions to users. I'm writing from the perspective of a longtime individual non-techie user (my wife) who didn't expect to have to take classes to continue using Windows as her OS. For many such people, Win8 is somewhere between chronically annoying and infuriating. PB ----- > > Arthur > > > On Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 12:23 AM, Peter Brawley > wrote: >> We have one 'puter running Win 8. Despite its prettiness, it made a >> terrible first impression. Once we got round the idiocies of the >> unswipeable Metro UI modelled on a swipeable UI, Win 8 didn't seem all that >> bad. >> >> After a couple of months of trying to help my wife find the stuff she >> needs in Win 8, I wish I could throw the machine in the lake. >> >> Windows 8.1 was supposed to fix some of worst Win 8 problems. It doesn't ( >> http://www.infoworld.com/d/**microsoft-windows/windows-81-** >> review-new-version-same-mess-**226510 >> ). >> >> The utter cluelessness of the Win 8 design and unfix 8.1 doesn't argue >> that Microsoft will or should have a bright future. >> >> PB >> >> ----- >> >> >> On 2013-09-10 9:36 PM, Hans-Christian Andersen wrote: >> >>> I honestly don't see a brighter future for Microsoft - especially if they >>> promote a CEO from within, like Stephen Elop. Even the mere suggestion that >>> they are considering Elop raises some serious questions about what really >>> happened at Nokia and Elops/Microsofts role in the matter. >>> >>> Never the less, Microsoft is so stuck on the old business model of the >>> Microsoft OEM tax and MS Office, that, unless they break the company apart, >>> everything will always be held back by those concerns. The Xbox division of >>> Microsoft is a perfect example and a rare one too. From what I've read, >>> they were given a lot of freedom to make their own decisions compared to >>> other parts of the company. Ballmer or any of the other usual misfit >>> executives were not directly involved in that division and, as a >>> consequence, the Xbox did quite well and has an enthusiastic fan base. Now >>> compare that to mostly every other new consumer market Microsoft has pushed >>> into lately? MP3 devices, pre-iPad tablets and the Surface, smartphones >>> (before and after WP7), etc. >>> >>> Rather than a DEC, I can imagine Microsoft becoming like IBM. What MS >>> does well is software and integrating software. They don't do hardware well >>> and they are even worse as a platform monopoly. It's is part of why they >>> are struggling in this brave new world. >>> >>> Best regards, >>> Hans-Christian Andersen >>> >>> >>> On 10 Sep 2013, at 11:12, Jim Lawrence wrote: >>> >>> Microsoft for many years played it safe. >>>> Safe, in that it did not get invested heavily in commodity market >>>> (selling hardware). It has done well with the XBox but so far its latest >>>> ventures can not be said to have been that successful. >>>> >>>> In the late seventies and early eighties, I worked exclusively with the >>>> two largest computer companies in the world. IBM and DEC (VAX). DEC made >>>> the first 64bit PC computer and our office bought one for only 15K...a UNIX >>>> box. For a short time, while in my own business, I even sold Compac >>>> computers (I even sold AST). In the mid-nineties DEC crashed, was sold off >>>> to Compac which followed suit shortly after. Even today I still find that >>>> amazing...amazing that a company, originally so large and successful (with >>>> an excellent virtual OS) should just crash, burn and then disappear. >>>> >>>> In the following link, the article draws close comparisons between >>>> Microsoft and DEC and the author feels a note of caution should be >>>> seriously observed. IMHO, Microsoft should be taking some serious courses >>>> and learning lessons from recent history. >>>> >>>> http://www.computerworld.com/**s/article/9242253/Decline_of_** >>>> Digital_Equipment_offers_**lessons_for_Microsoft >>>> >>>> Aside: Do not get me wrong; I do not dislike Microsoft, in fact they >>>> have been very very good to me, but I truly believe that Steve Balmer was >>>> the worse thing that could have happen to MS and the damage he has done to >>>> the company may have not run its full course, yet. I still believe >>>> Microsoft will survive all this but it is going to be a bumpy ride. >>>> >>>> Jim >>>> ______________________________**_________________ >>>> dba-Tech mailing list >>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com >>>> >>> ______________________________**_________________ >>> dba-Tech mailing list >>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com >>> >>> >> ______________________________**_________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com >> > > From fuller.artful at gmail.com Wed Sep 11 12:20:48 2013 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2013 13:20:48 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] [AccessD] webalo (was: Alpha Anywhere) In-Reply-To: <467209869.480757.1378918784700.JavaMail.root@cds002> References: <52301CCB.32507.37D39C24@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <467209869.480757.1378918784700.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: Startups 101: a course in ensuring that your demos work. instructor Arthur Fuller, who has made 1K+ mistakes and can therefore speak with something approaching prescience. Course One is free. Lesson 1: Make absolutely sure that your demos work on any and all supported platforms. A the very least, you need a bare-metal build box on every platform you allege to support. VMs will not do; to much ancillary baggage; boxes are dirt-cheap and if you profess to offer a solution, the least you can do is prove it. Lesson 2: If your app depends upon any other software, make an image of your OS and any dependent software so that you can fry the test machine(s) and reconstruct them to their virgin state. Lessons 3-10 cost money. But they are invaluable. Arthur On Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 12:59 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Not an auspicious start. > > Jim > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stuart McLachlan" > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" < > accessd at databaseadvisors.com> > Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 12:33:31 AM > Subject: Re: [AccessD] webalo (was: Alpha Anywhere) > > I will if I get it working. Currently the Webalo app that I downloaded to > my tablet crashes > every time I try to use it. > > -- > Stuart > > On 11 Sep 2013 at 9:16, Gustav Brock wrote: > > > Hi Stuart > > > > Please report your findings. I couldn't find a single sentence of the > > "mechanics" underneath. > > > > /gustav > > > > > > -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- > > Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Stuart > McLachlan > > Sendt: 11. september 2013 05:43 > > Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > > Emne: Re: [AccessD] Alpha Anywhere > > > > Looks interesting. I've signed up for their free "3 user" account and > will > > check it out. > > > > -- > > Stuart > > > > On 10 Sep 2013 at 23:30, William Benson wrote: > > > > > Seriously? M > > > > > > http://www.webalo.com/ > > > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Arthur From accessd at shaw.ca Wed Sep 11 13:54:30 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2013 12:54:30 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] [AccessD] webalo (was: Alpha Anywhere) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <368153288.614796.1378925670715.JavaMail.root@cds002> My daughter worked on a app before Christmas last year and it has actually made money(?). It took four people working full-time, about four months to get the app from concept to published. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arthur Fuller" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 10:20:48 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] [AccessD] webalo (was: Alpha Anywhere) Startups 101: a course in ensuring that your demos work. instructor Arthur Fuller, who has made 1K+ mistakes and can therefore speak with something approaching prescience. Course One is free. Lesson 1: Make absolutely sure that your demos work on any and all supported platforms. A the very least, you need a bare-metal build box on every platform you allege to support. VMs will not do; to much ancillary baggage; boxes are dirt-cheap and if you profess to offer a solution, the least you can do is prove it. Lesson 2: If your app depends upon any other software, make an image of your OS and any dependent software so that you can fry the test machine(s) and reconstruct them to their virgin state. Lessons 3-10 cost money. But they are invaluable. Arthur On Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 12:59 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Not an auspicious start. > > Jim > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stuart McLachlan" > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" < > accessd at databaseadvisors.com> > Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 12:33:31 AM > Subject: Re: [AccessD] webalo (was: Alpha Anywhere) > > I will if I get it working. Currently the Webalo app that I downloaded to > my tablet crashes > every time I try to use it. > > -- > Stuart > > On 11 Sep 2013 at 9:16, Gustav Brock wrote: > > > Hi Stuart > > > > Please report your findings. I couldn't find a single sentence of the > > "mechanics" underneath. > > > > /gustav > > > > > > -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- > > Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Stuart > McLachlan > > Sendt: 11. september 2013 05:43 > > Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > > Emne: Re: [AccessD] Alpha Anywhere > > > > Looks interesting. I've signed up for their free "3 user" account and > will > > check it out. > > > > -- > > Stuart > > > > On 10 Sep 2013 at 23:30, William Benson wrote: > > > > > Seriously? M > > > > > > http://www.webalo.com/ > > > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Arthur _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From df.waters at comcast.net Wed Sep 11 16:34:46 2013 From: df.waters at comcast.net (Dan Waters) Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2013 16:34:46 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] [AccessD] webalo (was: Alpha Anywhere) In-Reply-To: <368153288.614796.1378925670715.JavaMail.root@cds002> References: <368153288.614796.1378925670715.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: <005a01ceaf36$bc924380$35b6ca80$@comcast.net> Hi Jim, What was the app? Dan -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 1:55 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] [AccessD] webalo (was: Alpha Anywhere) My daughter worked on a app before Christmas last year and it has actually made money(?). It took four people working full-time, about four months to get the app from concept to published. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arthur Fuller" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 10:20:48 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] [AccessD] webalo (was: Alpha Anywhere) Startups 101: a course in ensuring that your demos work. instructor Arthur Fuller, who has made 1K+ mistakes and can therefore speak with something approaching prescience. Course One is free. Lesson 1: Make absolutely sure that your demos work on any and all supported platforms. A the very least, you need a bare-metal build box on every platform you allege to support. VMs will not do; to much ancillary baggage; boxes are dirt-cheap and if you profess to offer a solution, the least you can do is prove it. Lesson 2: If your app depends upon any other software, make an image of your OS and any dependent software so that you can fry the test machine(s) and reconstruct them to their virgin state. Lessons 3-10 cost money. But they are invaluable. Arthur On Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 12:59 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Not an auspicious start. > > Jim > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stuart McLachlan" > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" < > accessd at databaseadvisors.com> > Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 12:33:31 AM > Subject: Re: [AccessD] webalo (was: Alpha Anywhere) > > I will if I get it working. Currently the Webalo app that I > downloaded to my tablet crashes every time I try to use it. > > -- > Stuart > > On 11 Sep 2013 at 9:16, Gustav Brock wrote: > > > Hi Stuart > > > > Please report your findings. I couldn't find a single sentence of > > the "mechanics" underneath. > > > > /gustav > > > > > > -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- > > Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P vegne af Stuart > McLachlan > > Sendt: 11. september 2013 05:43 > > Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > > Emne: Re: [AccessD] Alpha Anywhere > > > > Looks interesting. I've signed up for their free "3 user" account > > and > will > > check it out. > > > > -- > > Stuart > > > > On 10 Sep 2013 at 23:30, William Benson wrote: > > > > > Seriously? M > > > > > > http://www.webalo.com/ > > > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Arthur _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Fri Sep 13 15:50:18 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2013 14:50:18 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] [AccessD] webalo (was: Alpha Anywhere) In-Reply-To: <005a01ceaf36$bc924380$35b6ca80$@comcast.net> Message-ID: <1356649578.2864992.1379105418436.JavaMail.root@cds002> It is an app called "Paint your Cat". https://itunes.apple.com/ca/app/paint-my-cat/id578516291?mt=8 I believe it is being ported to other platforms and another app is in the works called "Paint your Fish" which may be out by Christmas. My daughter did all the animation and most of the illustration sequences. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Waters" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 2:34:46 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] [AccessD] webalo (was: Alpha Anywhere) Hi Jim, What was the app? Dan -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 1:55 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] [AccessD] webalo (was: Alpha Anywhere) My daughter worked on a app before Christmas last year and it has actually made money(?). It took four people working full-time, about four months to get the app from concept to published. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arthur Fuller" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 10:20:48 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] [AccessD] webalo (was: Alpha Anywhere) Startups 101: a course in ensuring that your demos work. instructor Arthur Fuller, who has made 1K+ mistakes and can therefore speak with something approaching prescience. Course One is free. Lesson 1: Make absolutely sure that your demos work on any and all supported platforms. A the very least, you need a bare-metal build box on every platform you allege to support. VMs will not do; to much ancillary baggage; boxes are dirt-cheap and if you profess to offer a solution, the least you can do is prove it. Lesson 2: If your app depends upon any other software, make an image of your OS and any dependent software so that you can fry the test machine(s) and reconstruct them to their virgin state. Lessons 3-10 cost money. But they are invaluable. Arthur On Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 12:59 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Not an auspicious start. > > Jim > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stuart McLachlan" > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" < > accessd at databaseadvisors.com> > Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 12:33:31 AM > Subject: Re: [AccessD] webalo (was: Alpha Anywhere) > > I will if I get it working. Currently the Webalo app that I > downloaded to my tablet crashes every time I try to use it. > > -- > Stuart > > On 11 Sep 2013 at 9:16, Gustav Brock wrote: > > > Hi Stuart > > > > Please report your findings. I couldn't find a single sentence of > > the "mechanics" underneath. > > > > /gustav > > > > > > -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- > > Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P vegne af Stuart > McLachlan > > Sendt: 11. september 2013 05:43 > > Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > > Emne: Re: [AccessD] Alpha Anywhere > > > > Looks interesting. I've signed up for their free "3 user" account > > and > will > > check it out. > > > > -- > > Stuart > > > > On 10 Sep 2013 at 23:30, William Benson wrote: > > > > > Seriously? M > > > > > > http://www.webalo.com/ > > > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Arthur _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Gustav at cactus.dk Fri Sep 13 15:58:45 2013 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2013 22:58:45 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] [AccessD] webalo (was: Alpha Anywhere) Message-ID: Hi Jim No one should attempt to paint my cat. You have been warned! /gustav >>> accessd at shaw.ca 13-09-13 22:50 >>> It is an app called "Paint your Cat". From df.waters at comcast.net Fri Sep 13 16:44:27 2013 From: df.waters at comcast.net (Dan Waters) Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2013 16:44:27 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] [AccessD] webalo (was: Alpha Anywhere) In-Reply-To: <1356649578.2864992.1379105418436.JavaMail.root@cds002> References: <005a01ceaf36$bc924380$35b6ca80$@comcast.net> <1356649578.2864992.1379105418436.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: <000001ceb0ca$6bd2c2e0$437848a0$@comcast.net> I think that's great! I can see where all those graphics took a while to get working. Dan -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 3:50 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] [AccessD] webalo (was: Alpha Anywhere) It is an app called "Paint your Cat". https://itunes.apple.com/ca/app/paint-my-cat/id578516291?mt=8 I believe it is being ported to other platforms and another app is in the works called "Paint your Fish" which may be out by Christmas. My daughter did all the animation and most of the illustration sequences. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Waters" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 2:34:46 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] [AccessD] webalo (was: Alpha Anywhere) Hi Jim, What was the app? Dan -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 1:55 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] [AccessD] webalo (was: Alpha Anywhere) My daughter worked on a app before Christmas last year and it has actually made money(?). It took four people working full-time, about four months to get the app from concept to published. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arthur Fuller" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 10:20:48 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] [AccessD] webalo (was: Alpha Anywhere) Startups 101: a course in ensuring that your demos work. instructor Arthur Fuller, who has made 1K+ mistakes and can therefore speak with something approaching prescience. Course One is free. Lesson 1: Make absolutely sure that your demos work on any and all supported platforms. A the very least, you need a bare-metal build box on every platform you allege to support. VMs will not do; to much ancillary baggage; boxes are dirt-cheap and if you profess to offer a solution, the least you can do is prove it. Lesson 2: If your app depends upon any other software, make an image of your OS and any dependent software so that you can fry the test machine(s) and reconstruct them to their virgin state. Lessons 3-10 cost money. But they are invaluable. Arthur On Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 12:59 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Not an auspicious start. > > Jim > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stuart McLachlan" > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" < > accessd at databaseadvisors.com> > Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 12:33:31 AM > Subject: Re: [AccessD] webalo (was: Alpha Anywhere) > > I will if I get it working. Currently the Webalo app that I > downloaded to my tablet crashes every time I try to use it. > > -- > Stuart > > On 11 Sep 2013 at 9:16, Gustav Brock wrote: > > > Hi Stuart > > > > Please report your findings. I couldn't find a single sentence of > > the "mechanics" underneath. > > > > /gustav > > > > > > -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- > > Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P vegne af Stuart > McLachlan > > Sendt: 11. september 2013 05:43 > > Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > > Emne: Re: [AccessD] Alpha Anywhere > > > > Looks interesting. I've signed up for their free "3 user" account > > and > will > > check it out. > > > > -- > > Stuart > > > > On 10 Sep 2013 at 23:30, William Benson wrote: > > > > > Seriously? M > > > > > > http://www.webalo.com/ > > > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Arthur _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jbartow at winhaven.net Fri Sep 13 21:45:56 2013 From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow) Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2013 21:45:56 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 8 Adobe reader Message-ID: <016101ceb0f4$8a1d06f0$9e5714d0$@winhaven.net> Could someone with Windows 8 please tell me how to get to the printer dialog in Adobe Reader or PDF viewer so that I can switch to a non-default printer? TIA John B From jbartow at winhaven.net Fri Sep 13 21:47:38 2013 From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow) Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2013 21:47:38 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 8 apps Message-ID: <016201ceb0f4$c6fd2230$54f76690$@winhaven.net> Does anyone with Windows 8 know if there's an app to install a live tile serving Yahoo News? TIA John B From Gustav at cactus.dk Sat Sep 14 01:56:09 2013 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2013 08:56:09 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 8 Adobe reader Message-ID: Hi John Using the native viewer of Windows 8, when I click Print, the right pane opens with a list of all available printers. You click the one to use. I don't know about an Adobe Reader for Windows 8. /gustav >>> jbartow at winhaven.net 14-09-13 4:45 >>> Could someone with Windows 8 please tell me how to get to the printer dialog in Adobe Reader or PDF viewer so that I can switch to a non-default printer? TIA John B From jbartow at winhaven.net Sat Sep 14 02:37:06 2013 From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow) Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2013 07:37:06 -0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 8 Adobe reader In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <017901ce9a53$74721640$5d5642c0$@winhaven.net> Hi Gustav, Hmmm, I don't get that print option with the native viewer. John -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Saturday, September 14, 2013 1:56 AM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows 8 Adobe reader Hi John Using the native viewer of Windows 8, when I click Print, the right pane opens with a list of all available printers. You click the one to use. I don't know about an Adobe Reader for Windows 8. /gustav >>> jbartow at winhaven.net 14-09-13 4:45 >>> Could someone with Windows 8 please tell me how to get to the printer dialog in Adobe Reader or PDF viewer so that I can switch to a non-default printer? TIA John B _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Gustav at cactus.dk Sat Sep 14 02:55:17 2013 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2013 09:55:17 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 8 Adobe reader Message-ID: Hi John Really? It has been updated a couple of times. The original was extremely limited. /gustav >>> jbartow at winhaven.net 16-08-13 9:37 >>> Hi Gustav, Hmmm, I don't get that print option with the native viewer. John -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Saturday, September 14, 2013 1:56 AM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows 8 Adobe reader Hi John Using the native viewer of Windows 8, when I click Print, the right pane opens with a list of all available printers. You click the one to use. I don't know about an Adobe Reader for Windows 8. /gustav >>> jbartow at winhaven.net 14-09-13 4:45 >>> Could someone with Windows 8 please tell me how to get to the printer dialog in Adobe Reader or PDF viewer so that I can switch to a non-default printer? TIA John B From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Sat Sep 14 06:18:35 2013 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2013 21:18:35 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] The big change In-Reply-To: <2FC98EE1DDA144A080AC24D584A8900A@HAL9007> References: <1378497380.173740361@f292.i.mail.ru>, , <2FC98EE1DDA144A080AC24D584A8900A@HAL9007> Message-ID: <5234460B.21387.4814BE69@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> New book on B4A coming out in a month's time: http://basic4android.info/ On 9 Sep 2013 at 16:10, Rocky Smolin wrote: > I fired up Basic4Android today. Not a slam dunk but looks like a good way > to develop an android app. Bus man's holiday, I guess. I don't need it for > my career but it's time to play with phones and tablets. My Access career > is about done. > > I did get a button installed on the emulator phone and clicked it and it > said "Hello World!" :) > > R > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller > Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 3:55 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] The big change > > Jim, > > I agree with most of what you said and some of what your citations said. > Clearly the marketplace has shifted, and we dinosaurs who put on our > blinkers and see the rapidly-dimishing market for desktop apps (irrespective > of programming language)... I for one Refuse to die in the asphalt > tar-sands. Thank God for Alpha Anywhere to lead me out of these tar-sands. > Were it not for that company, I would fold my tent and steal away like Arabs > in the night (that's not a slur but a vaguely recollected poem or story from > Rudyard Kipling, or possibly someone else; memory fails, in direct > proportion to age). > > A. > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Sat Sep 14 08:34:42 2013 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2013 06:34:42 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] The big change In-Reply-To: <5234460B.21387.4814BE69@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <1378497380.173740361@f292.i.mail.ru>, , <2FC98EE1DDA144A080AC24D584A8900A@HAL9007> <5234460B.21387.4814BE69@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: Thanks for that Stuart. Looks like some light reading for the fall. There was a link on that page to a page with downloadable projects that looks pretty useful: Pingback: Basic4Android Book Resources | Penny Press It was in the comments section. I have the Beginner's Guide and the User Guide - both free downloads @ http://www.basic4ppc.com/android/documentation.html (the page also has a lot of useful looking links to projects) - which should keep me busy until the book comes out. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Saturday, September 14, 2013 4:19 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] The big change New book on B4A coming out in a month's time: http://basic4android.info/ On 9 Sep 2013 at 16:10, Rocky Smolin wrote: > I fired up Basic4Android today. Not a slam dunk but looks like a good > way to develop an android app. Bus man's holiday, I guess. I don't > need it for my career but it's time to play with phones and tablets. > My Access career is about done. > > I did get a button installed on the emulator phone and clicked it and > it said "Hello World!" :) > > R > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur > Fuller > Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 3:55 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] The big change > > Jim, > > I agree with most of what you said and some of what your citations said. > Clearly the marketplace has shifted, and we dinosaurs who put on our > blinkers and see the rapidly-dimishing market for desktop apps > (irrespective of programming language)... I for one Refuse to die in > the asphalt tar-sands. Thank God for Alpha Anywhere to lead me out of these tar-sands. > Were it not for that company, I would fold my tent and steal away like > Arabs in the night (that's not a slur but a vaguely recollected poem > or story from Rudyard Kipling, or possibly someone else; memory fails, > in direct proportion to age). > > A. > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From df.waters at comcast.net Sat Sep 14 08:33:31 2013 From: df.waters at comcast.net (Dan Waters) Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2013 08:33:31 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] The big change In-Reply-To: <5234460B.21387.4814BE69@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <1378497380.173740361@f292.i.mail.ru>, , <2FC98EE1DDA144A080AC24D584A8900A@HAL9007> <5234460B.21387.4814BE69@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <001201ceb14f$014a43a0$03decae0$@comcast.net> I found this on Amazon - in stock! Search on Amazon for: Basic4Android: Rapid App Development for Android It's on my wish list now! Dan -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Saturday, September 14, 2013 6:19 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] The big change New book on B4A coming out in a month's time: http://basic4android.info/ On 9 Sep 2013 at 16:10, Rocky Smolin wrote: > I fired up Basic4Android today. Not a slam dunk but looks like a good > way to develop an android app. Bus man's holiday, I guess. I don't > need it for my career but it's time to play with phones and tablets. > My Access career is about done. > > I did get a button installed on the emulator phone and clicked it and > it said "Hello World!" :) > > R > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur > Fuller > Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 3:55 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] The big change > > Jim, > > I agree with most of what you said and some of what your citations said. > Clearly the marketplace has shifted, and we dinosaurs who put on our > blinkers and see the rapidly-dimishing market for desktop apps > (irrespective of programming language)... I for one Refuse to die in > the asphalt tar-sands. Thank God for Alpha Anywhere to lead me out of these tar-sands. > Were it not for that company, I would fold my tent and steal away like > Arabs in the night (that's not a slur but a vaguely recollected poem > or story from Rudyard Kipling, or possibly someone else; memory fails, > in direct proportion to age). > > A. > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From peter.brawley at earthlink.net Sat Sep 14 15:50:32 2013 From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley) Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2013 15:50:32 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] google going all in with mariaDB Message-ID: <5234CC18.8070400@earthlink.net> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/09/12/google_mariadb_mysql_migration/ This could be a game-changer. Google evidently has decided that the open source integrity of Monty's project outweighs Oracle's closed source development resources and the fact that MariaDB 10.0 is still alpha! Google senior systems engineer Jeremy Cole's quote "I'd really love to see a single MySQL community, I think that's more or less impossible under Oracle, I don't know if that's possible under MariaDB" makes me wonder if Google might try to buy MySQL from Oracle, and if Oracle won't sell, go into direct competition by publishing their SkySQL/MariaDB version for widespread use. PB From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sat Sep 14 17:38:56 2013 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2013 18:38:56 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] google going all in with mariaDB In-Reply-To: <5234CC18.8070400@earthlink.net> References: <5234CC18.8070400@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Yeah, I think this could well be a game-changer. Particularly considering that for most users of MySQL is a drop-in replacement, and then some additional features tossed in. Arthur On Sat, Sep 14, 2013 at 4:50 PM, Peter Brawley wrote: > http://www.theregister.co.uk/**2013/09/12/google_mariadb_** > mysql_migration/ > > This could be a game-changer. Google evidently has decided that the open > source integrity of Monty's project outweighs Oracle's closed source > development resources and the fact that MariaDB 10.0 is still alpha! > > Google senior systems engineer Jeremy Cole's quote "I'd really love to see > a single MySQL community, I think that's more or less impossible under > Oracle, I don't know if that's possible under MariaDB" makes me wonder if > Google might try to buy MySQL from Oracle, and if Oracle won't sell, go > into direct competition by publishing their SkySQL/MariaDB version for > widespread use. > > PB > > > > ______________________________**_________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com > -- Arthur From peter.brawley at earthlink.net Sat Sep 14 22:07:32 2013 From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley) Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2013 22:07:32 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] google going all in with mariaDB In-Reply-To: References: <5234CC18.8070400@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <52352474.807@earthlink.net> On 2013-09-14 5:38 PM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > Yeah, I think this could well be a game-changer. Particularly considering > that for most users of MySQL is a drop-in replacement, and then some > additional features tossed in. MySQL runs a majority of the world's websites. For developers of those sites to use MariaDB as a dropin replacement for MySQL, hosting providers have to provide MariaDB. So far that's not happening much at all. PB > > Arthur > > > On Sat, Sep 14, 2013 at 4:50 PM, Peter Brawley > wrote: > >> http://www.theregister.co.uk/**2013/09/12/google_mariadb_** >> mysql_migration/ >> >> This could be a game-changer. Google evidently has decided that the open >> source integrity of Monty's project outweighs Oracle's closed source >> development resources and the fact that MariaDB 10.0 is still alpha! >> >> Google senior systems engineer Jeremy Cole's quote "I'd really love to see >> a single MySQL community, I think that's more or less impossible under >> Oracle, I don't know if that's possible under MariaDB" makes me wonder if >> Google might try to buy MySQL from Oracle, and if Oracle won't sell, go >> into direct competition by publishing their SkySQL/MariaDB version for >> widespread use. >> >> PB >> >> >> >> ______________________________**_________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/**mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.**com >> > > From accessd at shaw.ca Sat Sep 14 23:03:58 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2013 22:03:58 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] [AccessD] webalo (was: Alpha Anywhere) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <353225552.3718420.1379217838529.JavaMail.root@cds002> Words form the wise. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gustav Brock" To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 1:58:45 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] [AccessD] webalo (was: Alpha Anywhere) Hi Jim No one should attempt to paint my cat. You have been warned! /gustav >>> accessd at shaw.ca 13-09-13 22:50 >>> It is an app called "Paint your Cat". _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Sat Sep 14 23:35:24 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2013 22:35:24 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] google going all in with mariaDB In-Reply-To: <5234CC18.8070400@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <2004707388.3727959.1379219724541.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi Peter: A further note; I believe all of the Linux distros have stopped using MySQL as their default relational database and have switched to either MariaDB or PostgresDB. This means that if you download bundles like LAMP/AMP and so on, they will no longer enclose MySQL. It is good to hear that this move is underfoot as well. In 2006, before Oracle purchases the rights to MySQL it held a larger market the Oracle; actually a larger market share than any other database. http://www.creativesystemdesigns.com/img/special/MarketShare.gif Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Brawley" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Saturday, September 14, 2013 1:50:32 PM Subject: [dba-Tech] google going all in with mariaDB http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/09/12/google_mariadb_mysql_migration/ This could be a game-changer. Google evidently has decided that the open source integrity of Monty's project outweighs Oracle's closed source development resources and the fact that MariaDB 10.0 is still alpha! Google senior systems engineer Jeremy Cole's quote "I'd really love to see a single MySQL community, I think that's more or less impossible under Oracle, I don't know if that's possible under MariaDB" makes me wonder if Google might try to buy MySQL from Oracle, and if Oracle won't sell, go into direct competition by publishing their SkySQL/MariaDB version for widespread use. PB _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From peter.brawley at earthlink.net Sun Sep 15 02:22:37 2013 From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley) Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2013 02:22:37 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] google going all in with mariaDB In-Reply-To: <2004707388.3727959.1379219724541.JavaMail.root@cds002> References: <2004707388.3727959.1379219724541.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: <5235603D.4060900@earthlink.net> On 2013-09-14 11:35 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Hi Peter: > > A further note; I believe all of the Linux distros have stopped using MySQL as their default relational database and have switched to either MariaDB or PostgresDB. Some use MySql, some MariaDB. PostGres isn't interchangeable with MySQL; LAMP with PostGres replacing MySQL isn't LAMP. MAMP and XAMPP use MySQL. MariaDB isn't a serious replacement candidate across the board till 10.0 is production-ready and MariaDB provides full documentation plus support fora. PB ----- > This means that if you download bundles like LAMP/AMP and so on, they will no longer enclose MySQL. > > It is good to hear that this move is underfoot as well. In 2006, before Oracle purchases the rights to MySQL it held a larger market the Oracle; actually a larger market share than any other database. > > http://www.creativesystemdesigns.com/img/special/MarketShare.gif > > Jim > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Peter Brawley" > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > Sent: Saturday, September 14, 2013 1:50:32 PM > Subject: [dba-Tech] google going all in with mariaDB > > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/09/12/google_mariadb_mysql_migration/ > > This could be a game-changer. Google evidently has decided that the open > source integrity of Monty's project outweighs Oracle's closed source > development resources and the fact that MariaDB 10.0 is still alpha! > > Google senior systems engineer Jeremy Cole's quote "I'd really love to > see a single MySQL community, I think that's more or less impossible > under Oracle, I don't know if that's possible under MariaDB" makes me > wonder if Google might try to buy MySQL from Oracle, and if Oracle won't > sell, go into direct competition by publishing their SkySQL/MariaDB > version for widespread use. > > PB > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Sun Sep 15 02:46:00 2013 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2013 17:46:00 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] google going all in with mariaDB In-Reply-To: <5235603D.4060900@earthlink.net> References: <2004707388.3727959.1379219724541.JavaMail.root@cds002>, <5235603D.4060900@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <523565B8.29434.4C787F3E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> WAMPServer also still uses MySQL. -- Stuart On 15 Sep 2013 at 2:22, Peter Brawley wrote: > Some use MySql, some MariaDB. PostGres isn't interchangeable with MySQL; > LAMP with PostGres replacing MySQL isn't LAMP. > > MAMP and XAMPP use MySQL. > > MariaDB isn't a serious replacement candidate across the board till 10.0 > is production-ready and MariaDB provides full documentation plus support > fora. > From accessd at shaw.ca Sun Sep 15 07:38:05 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2013 06:38:05 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] google going all in with mariaDB In-Reply-To: <5235603D.4060900@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <1437043403.3831263.1379248685187.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi Peter: No PostgresDB is not a direct replacement for MySQL...it is a step up or maybe it should considered the heir-apparent to many of the bigger SQL databases of the day. I guess I jumping the gun a bit but Fedora, (Redhat), OpenSuse and Ubuntu (Debian) which at last observation make up by far, most distros available, either recommend against the use of MySQL or have MariaDB built into their enterprise product. I would also expect this trend to continue. I did go back through the documentation of installing LAMP and realized that there was only a subsection/link to how to replace MySQL with MariaDB. My bad, I guess migration is not complete yet. The quote in the wiki said: "MySQL and now, MariaDB is a component of the LAMP web application software stack" but I have personally not installed LAMP or similar derivatives for a while so can not confirm this statement. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Brawley" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Sunday, September 15, 2013 12:22:37 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] google going all in with mariaDB On 2013-09-14 11:35 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Hi Peter: > > A further note; I believe all of the Linux distros have stopped using MySQL as their default relational database and have switched to either MariaDB or PostgresDB. Some use MySql, some MariaDB. PostGres isn't interchangeable with MySQL; LAMP with PostGres replacing MySQL isn't LAMP. MAMP and XAMPP use MySQL. MariaDB isn't a serious replacement candidate across the board till 10.0 is production-ready and MariaDB provides full documentation plus support fora. PB ----- > This means that if you download bundles like LAMP/AMP and so on, they will no longer enclose MySQL. > > It is good to hear that this move is underfoot as well. In 2006, before Oracle purchases the rights to MySQL it held a larger market the Oracle; actually a larger market share than any other database. > > http://www.creativesystemdesigns.com/img/special/MarketShare.gif > > Jim > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Peter Brawley" > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > Sent: Saturday, September 14, 2013 1:50:32 PM > Subject: [dba-Tech] google going all in with mariaDB > > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/09/12/google_mariadb_mysql_migration/ > > This could be a game-changer. Google evidently has decided that the open > source integrity of Monty's project outweighs Oracle's closed source > development resources and the fact that MariaDB 10.0 is still alpha! > > Google senior systems engineer Jeremy Cole's quote "I'd really love to > see a single MySQL community, I think that's more or less impossible > under Oracle, I don't know if that's possible under MariaDB" makes me > wonder if Google might try to buy MySQL from Oracle, and if Oracle won't > sell, go into direct competition by publishing their SkySQL/MariaDB > version for widespread use. > > PB > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Sun Sep 15 07:44:52 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2013 06:44:52 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] google going all in with mariaDB In-Reply-To: <523565B8.29434.4C787F3E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <788734440.3832544.1379249092796.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi Stuart: Interesting, I have not seen WAMPServer before... I have always installed the components on IIS when working with Windows. How well does it work? Does it compile on Windows? Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stuart McLachlan" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Sunday, September 15, 2013 12:46:00 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] google going all in with mariaDB WAMPServer also still uses MySQL. -- Stuart On 15 Sep 2013 at 2:22, Peter Brawley wrote: > Some use MySql, some MariaDB. PostGres isn't interchangeable with MySQL; > LAMP with PostGres replacing MySQL isn't LAMP. > > MAMP and XAMPP use MySQL. > > MariaDB isn't a serious replacement candidate across the board till 10.0 > is production-ready and MariaDB provides full documentation plus support > fora. > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Sun Sep 15 12:03:44 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2013 11:03:44 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] Raspberry Pi Question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1751204396.3972391.1379264624984.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi Arthur: Here is something interesting on the Raspberry PI. http://googledevelopers.blogspot.ca/2013/09/coder-simple-way-to-make-web-stuff-on.html It can be used as a great little training tool. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arthur Fuller" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Monday, September 9, 2013 3:08:33 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Raspberry Pi Question I just received an email from PackT Publishing that featured several new eBooks on programming the Pi. For anyone interested, the titles are: C Programming for Arduino Raspberry Pi Home Automation with Arduino Raspberry Pi Networking Cookbook Raspberry Pi Media Center Arthur _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sun Sep 15 14:58:08 2013 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2013 15:58:08 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Raspberry Pi Question In-Reply-To: <1751204396.3972391.1379264624984.JavaMail.root@cds002> References: <1751204396.3972391.1379264624984.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: Jim, What a cool idea, and maybe not just for kids. Arthur On Sun, Sep 15, 2013 at 1:03 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Hi Arthur: > > Here is something interesting on the Raspberry PI. > > > http://googledevelopers.blogspot.ca/2013/09/coder-simple-way-to-make-web-stuff-on.html > > It can be used as a great little training tool. > > Jim > From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Sun Sep 15 16:06:43 2013 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2013 07:06:43 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] google going all in with mariaDB In-Reply-To: <788734440.3832544.1379249092796.JavaMail.root@cds002> References: <523565B8.29434.4C787F3E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>, <788734440.3832544.1379249092796.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: <52362163.4384.4F556DDF@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> It works very well. I run it on my development laptop and use for all my clients' website development. I also use it in a couple of locations for Intranets. -- Stuart On 15 Sep 2013 at 6:44, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Hi Stuart: > > Interesting, I have not seen WAMPServer before... I have always > installed the components on IIS when working with Windows. How well > does it work? Does it compile on Windows? > > Jim > From peter.brawley at earthlink.net Sun Sep 15 16:13:38 2013 From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley) Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2013 16:13:38 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] google going all in with mariaDB In-Reply-To: <788734440.3832544.1379249092796.JavaMail.root@cds002> References: <788734440.3832544.1379249092796.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: <52362302.8050702@earthlink.net> On 2013-09-15 7:44 AM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Hi Stuart: > > Interesting, I have not seen WAMPServer before... I have always installed the components on IIS when working with Windows. How well does it work? Does it compile on Windows? It's a package of downloadable binaries, you might know it by its previous appellation WAMP. PB ----- > > Jim > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stuart McLachlan" > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > Sent: Sunday, September 15, 2013 12:46:00 AM > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] google going all in with mariaDB > > WAMPServer also still uses MySQL. > From accessd at shaw.ca Sun Sep 15 16:17:23 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2013 15:17:23 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] Cell Phones In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <2090698903.4110331.1379279843217.JavaMail.root@cds002> If you are tired of all these discussions around phones, their attributes, qualities, their long term usefulness and which is the best maybe there is another option. What about Phonebloks? This is a phone you can assemble yourself much like a lego phone. The product is definitely on its way as funding has been reached (107% of the goal and 43 days left): https://www.thunderclap.it/projects/2931-phonebloks Run the following video and check out the concept: http://www.phonebloks.com/ Jim From accessd at shaw.ca Sun Sep 15 16:26:19 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2013 15:26:19 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] google going all in with mariaDB In-Reply-To: <52362163.4384.4F556DDF@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <721733546.4115478.1379280379575.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi Stuart: Yes, you are right as such a system, on a desktop, could be a great testing platform. (I have only run web servers on servers.) Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stuart McLachlan" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Sunday, September 15, 2013 2:06:43 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] google going all in with mariaDB It works very well. I run it on my development laptop and use for all my clients' website development. I also use it in a couple of locations for Intranets. -- Stuart On 15 Sep 2013 at 6:44, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Hi Stuart: > > Interesting, I have not seen WAMPServer before... I have always > installed the components on IIS when working with Windows. How well > does it work? Does it compile on Windows? > > Jim > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Sun Sep 15 16:55:35 2013 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2013 07:55:35 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] google going all in with mariaDB In-Reply-To: <721733546.4115478.1379280379575.JavaMail.root@cds002> References: <52362163.4384.4F556DDF@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>, <721733546.4115478.1379280379575.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: <52362CD7.32101.4F8229DF@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Not just for testing. Just like Mercury Mail Server, it's a good way to re-use a clunker old PC in a small/medium office environment. You don't need a high end server for either of them. an old XP workstation that had difficulty with the lates MS Office does fine. (In fact I sometimes run both on the same semi-retired workstation). -- Stuart On 15 Sep 2013 at 15:26, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Hi Stuart: > > Yes, you are right as such a system, on a desktop, could be a great > testing platform. (I have only run web servers on servers.) > > Jim > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stuart McLachlan" > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > Sent: Sunday, September 15, 2013 2:06:43 PM > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] google going all in with mariaDB > > It works very well. I run it on my development laptop and use for all my clients' website > development. > > I also use it in a couple of locations for Intranets. > > -- > Stuart > > On 15 Sep 2013 at 6:44, Jim Lawrence wrote: > > > Hi Stuart: > > > > Interesting, I have not seen WAMPServer before... I have always > > installed the components on IIS when working with Windows. How well > > does it work? Does it compile on Windows? > > > > Jim > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From accessd at shaw.ca Sun Sep 15 18:48:47 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2013 17:48:47 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] google going all in with mariaDB In-Reply-To: <52362CD7.32101.4F8229DF@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <870662459.4197469.1379288927539.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi Stuart: I will keep that in mind as I have been rebuilding all the beater boxes in Linux. (It would be better to have a Mercury Mail Server on an old box in case it gets compromised.) Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stuart McLachlan" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Sunday, September 15, 2013 2:55:35 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] google going all in with mariaDB Not just for testing. Just like Mercury Mail Server, it's a good way to re-use a clunker old PC in a small/medium office environment. You don't need a high end server for either of them. an old XP workstation that had difficulty with the lates MS Office does fine. (In fact I sometimes run both on the same semi-retired workstation). -- Stuart On 15 Sep 2013 at 15:26, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Hi Stuart: > > Yes, you are right as such a system, on a desktop, could be a great > testing platform. (I have only run web servers on servers.) > > Jim > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stuart McLachlan" > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > Sent: Sunday, September 15, 2013 2:06:43 PM > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] google going all in with mariaDB > > It works very well. I run it on my development laptop and use for all my clients' website > development. > > I also use it in a couple of locations for Intranets. > > -- > Stuart > > On 15 Sep 2013 at 6:44, Jim Lawrence wrote: > > > Hi Stuart: > > > > Interesting, I have not seen WAMPServer before... I have always > > installed the components on IIS when working with Windows. How well > > does it work? Does it compile on Windows? > > > > Jim > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From tinanfields at torchlake.com Mon Sep 16 08:26:31 2013 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2013 09:26:31 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 8 apps In-Reply-To: <016201ceb0f4$c6fd2230$54f76690$@winhaven.net> References: <016201ceb0f4$c6fd2230$54f76690$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: <52370707.4040207@torchlake.com> Don't know, yet, John, but it seems reasonable, doesn't it? TNF Tina Norris Fields tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com 231-322-2787 On 9/13/2013 10:47 PM, John R Bartow wrote: > Does anyone with Windows 8 know if there's an app to install a live tile > serving Yahoo News? > TIA > John B > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From tinanfields at torchlake.com Mon Sep 16 09:12:33 2013 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2013 10:12:33 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 8 Adobe reader In-Reply-To: <016101ceb0f4$8a1d06f0$9e5714d0$@winhaven.net> References: <016101ceb0f4$8a1d06f0$9e5714d0$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: <523711D1.1030200@torchlake.com> Hi John, I just opened my Adobe Reader on my Win8 tablet and loaded a pdf document. I clicked File, then Print, and my printer dialog came up. There's a drop-list button on the printer textbox, so I can select another printer if I want. Is this not what happens for you? TNF Tina Norris Fields tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com 231-322-2787 On 9/13/2013 10:45 PM, John R Bartow wrote: > Could someone with Windows 8 please tell me how to get to the printer dialog > in Adobe Reader or PDF viewer so that I can switch to a non-default printer? > TIA > John B > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From jbartow at winhaven.net Mon Sep 16 10:29:40 2013 From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow) Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2013 10:29:40 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 8 Adobe reader In-Reply-To: <523711D1.1030200@torchlake.com> References: <016101ceb0f4$8a1d06f0$9e5714d0$@winhaven.net> <523711D1.1030200@torchlake.com> Message-ID: <008d01ceb2f1$90d95df0$b28c19d0$@winhaven.net> Hi Tina, No it doesn't. Gustav suggested that I update the app. I haven't had a chance to do so yet. Thanks, John -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris Fields Sent: Monday, September 16, 2013 9:13 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows 8 Adobe reader Hi John, I just opened my Adobe Reader on my Win8 tablet and loaded a pdf document. I clicked File, then Print, and my printer dialog came up. There's a drop-list button on the printer textbox, so I can select another printer if I want. Is this not what happens for you? TNF Tina Norris Fields tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com 231-322-2787 On 9/13/2013 10:45 PM, John R Bartow wrote: > Could someone with Windows 8 please tell me how to get to the printer > dialog in Adobe Reader or PDF viewer so that I can switch to a non-default printer? > TIA > John B > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From mcp2004 at mail.ru Tue Sep 17 04:06:39 2013 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 13:06:39 +0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?=E2=80=9CThat=E2=80=99s_The_Dumbest_Thing_I?= =?utf-8?b?4oCZdmUgRXZlciBIZWFyZCBPZi7igJ0gOik=?= Message-ID: <1379408799.347595682@f277.i.mail.ru> http://techcrunch.com/2013/09/16/twttr-is-interesting/ -- ???????????? ?????? From gustav at cactus.dk Tue Sep 17 05:03:44 2013 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 12:03:44 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?=E2=80=9CThat=E2=80=99s_The_Dumbest_Thing_I?= =?utf-8?b?4oCZdmUgRXZlciBIZWFyZCBPZi7igJ0gOik=?= Message-ID: <006401ceb38d$31c50840$954f18c0$@cactus.dk> Hi Shamil I'm still looking for any useful usage (for me) for Twitter. Haven't found any, and to judge from the few comments on the article, I'm not alone. /gustav -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Salakhetdinov Shamil Sendt: 17. september 2013 11:07 Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Emne: [dba-Tech] ?That?s The Dumbest Thing I?ve Ever Heard Of.? :) http://techcrunch.com/2013/09/16/twttr-is-interesting/ -- ???????????? ?????? From mcp2004 at mail.ru Tue Sep 17 07:25:01 2013 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 16:25:01 +0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?=E2=80=9CThat=E2=80=99s_The_Dumbest_Thing_I?= =?utf-8?b?4oCZdmUgRXZlciBIZWFyZCBPZi7igJ0gOik=?= In-Reply-To: <006401ceb38d$31c50840$954f18c0$@cactus.dk> References: <006401ceb38d$31c50840$954f18c0$@cactus.dk> Message-ID: <1379420701.528679000@f245.i.mail.ru> Hi Gustav -- >??I'm not alone. Yes, I see. It's looks like local officials, politicians, journalists do use Twitter everyday. I personally don't follow my Twitter subscriptions, no time. Just trying to follow TechCrunch news. One of them looks promising in filtering out the "crap" from the newsfeed: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/media/online/medium-the-new-publishing-platform-from-twitters-cofounder-8820351.html See also: https://medium.com/ :) -- Shamil Tuesday, September 17, 2013 12:03 PM +02:00 from "Gustav Brock" : >Hi Shamil > >I'm still looking for any useful usage (for me) for Twitter. >Haven't found any, and to judge from the few comments on the article, I'm not alone. > >/gustav > >-----Oprindelig meddelelse----- >Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Salakhetdinov Shamil >Sendt: 17. september 2013 11:07 >Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues >Emne: [dba-Tech] ?That?s The Dumbest Thing I?ve Ever Heard Of.? :) > > >http://techcrunch.com/2013/09/16/twttr-is-interesting/ > >-- >???????????? ?????? > > -- ???????????? ?????? From ssharkins at gmail.com Tue Sep 17 07:50:26 2013 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 08:50:26 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?=E2=80=9CThat=E2=80=99s_The_Dumbest_Thing_I?= =?utf-8?b?4oCZdmUgRXZlciBIZWFyZCBPZi7igJ0gOik=?= References: <006401ceb38d$31c50840$954f18c0$@cactus.dk> Message-ID: <0BEED03B0F1D4D358B9BB006EDF3FAA5@SusanHarkins> I administer several Facebook pages for non-profits -- not much work, all volunteer. A couple have tried Twitter, but after a few weeks/months it's quickly forgotten. Isuppose, if you have reason to want to update a large group of people daily, it's Okay -- but I haven't found a use for it yet. #domywork Okay... I could put that one to use! ;) Susan H. > Hi Shamil > > I'm still looking for any useful usage (for me) for Twitter. > Haven't found any, and to judge from the few comments on the article, I'm > not alone. > > /gustav > From fuller.artful at gmail.com Tue Sep 17 09:39:37 2013 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 10:39:37 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] =?windows-1252?q?=93That=92s_The_Dumbest_Thing_I=92ve_?= =?windows-1252?q?Ever_Heard_Of=2E=94_=3A=29?= In-Reply-To: <0BEED03B0F1D4D358B9BB006EDF3FAA5@SusanHarkins> References: <006401ceb38d$31c50840$954f18c0$@cactus.dk> <0BEED03B0F1D4D358B9BB006EDF3FAA5@SusanHarkins> Message-ID: is Personally, I can't stand Twitter or FaceBook, and have tried to remove all traces of me from both, with limited success. Perhaps it's an age thing. I simply do not see the point of either. But what I do notice is that potential employers view one's lack of presence in either or both a definite negative sign. However, that's ok with me: anyone who would insist upon such a presence is a client for whom I choose not to work. Arthur On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 8:50 AM, Susan Harkins wrote: > I administer several Facebook pages for non-profits -- not much work, all > volunteer. A couple have tried Twitter, but after a few weeks/months it's > quickly forgotten. Isuppose, if you have reason to want to update a large > group of people daily, it's Okay -- but I haven't found a use for it yet. > > #domywork > > Okay... I could put that one to use! ;) > > Susan H. From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Tue Sep 17 09:52:03 2013 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 07:52:03 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?=E2=80=9CThat=E2=80=99s_The_Dumbest_Thing_I?= =?utf-8?b?4oCZdmUgRXZlciBIZWFyZCBPZi7igJ0gOik=?= In-Reply-To: <006401ceb38d$31c50840$954f18c0$@cactus.dk> References: <006401ceb38d$31c50840$954f18c0$@cactus.dk> Message-ID: Do you think it's an age thing? Are we out of the demographic? I see now politicians using it to communicate with their followers - they're hoping I guess that they're constituents or people in the press that they want to get a message out to. I don't do any social media myself. I signed up with Twitter during the uprising in Iran after the rigged election to try to follow the protesters who used Twitter to organize. But never went back after that. In spite of which I (just checked) have 7 followers. My boys don't use it - ages 17 and 23. I wonder what the profile is of the twitterverse. R -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 3:04 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech]?That?s The Dumbest Thing I?ve Ever Heard Of.? :) Hi Shamil I'm still looking for any useful usage (for me) for Twitter. Haven't found any, and to judge from the few comments on the article, I'm not alone. /gustav -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Salakhetdinov Shamil Sendt: 17. september 2013 11:07 Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Emne: [dba-Tech] ?That?s The Dumbest Thing I?ve Ever Heard Of.? :) http://techcrunch.com/2013/09/16/twttr-is-interesting/ -- ???????????? ?????? _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Tue Sep 17 10:45:40 2013 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 11:45:40 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] =?windows-1252?q?=93That=92s_The_Dumbest_Thing_I=92ve_?= =?windows-1252?q?Ever_Heard_Of=2E=94_=3A=29?= In-Reply-To: References: <006401ceb38d$31c50840$954f18c0$@cactus.dk> Message-ID: Rocky, I think that you may be onto something here: if the elderly and the young both hate it, it's doomed. Bad time to buy into the IPO! LOL. The remaining profile seems to be The Media and the Loneliest. On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 10:52 AM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > Do you think it's an age thing? Are we out of the demographic? > > I see now politicians using it to communicate with their followers - > they're hoping I guess that they're constituents or people in the press > that they want to get a message out to. > > I don't do any social media myself. I signed up with Twitter during the > uprising in Iran after the rigged election to try to follow the protesters > who used Twitter to organize. But never went back after that. In spite of > which I (just checked) have 7 followers. > > My boys don't use it - ages 17 and 23. I wonder what the profile is of > the twitterverse. > > R > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto: > dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock > Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 3:04 AM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech]?That?s The Dumbest Thing I?ve Ever Heard Of.? :) > > Hi Shamil > > I'm still looking for any useful usage (for me) for Twitter. > Haven't found any, and to judge from the few comments on the article, I'm > not alone. > > /gustav > > -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- > Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto: > dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Salakhetdinov Shamil > Sendt: 17. september 2013 11:07 > Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Emne: [dba-Tech] ?That?s The Dumbest Thing I?ve Ever Heard Of.? :) > > > http://techcrunch.com/2013/09/16/twttr-is-interesting/ > > -- > ???????????? ?????? > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Arthur From jbartow at winhaven.net Tue Sep 17 11:50:21 2013 From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow) Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 11:50:21 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?=E2=80=9CThat=E2=80=99s_The_Dumbest_Thing_I?= =?utf-8?b?4oCZdmUgRXZlciBIZWFyZCBPZi7igJ0gOik=?= In-Reply-To: <1379408799.347595682@f277.i.mail.ru> References: <1379408799.347595682@f277.i.mail.ru> Message-ID: <010401ceb3c6$0092a4b0$01b7ee10$@winhaven.net> Hi Shamil, I don't use Twitter. I have an account just so I understand it. I do set my customers up with an account but then promptly use the "Facebook to Twitter" Facebook app so that whatever they post on Facebook feeds into Twitter. Most get good results with Facebook business pages but not too many of them ever get more than a few Twitter followers. Maybe it?s a regional thing. John B -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov Shamil Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 4:07 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] ?That?s The Dumbest Thing I?ve Ever Heard Of.? :) http://techcrunch.com/2013/09/16/twttr-is-interesting/ -- ???????????? ?????? _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From mcp2004 at mail.ru Tue Sep 17 13:23:56 2013 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 22:23:56 +0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?=E2=80=9CThat=E2=80=99s_The_Dumbest_Thing_I?= =?utf-8?b?4oCZdmUgRXZlciBIZWFyZCBPZi7igJ0gOik=?= In-Reply-To: <010401ceb3c6$0092a4b0$01b7ee10$@winhaven.net> References: <1379408799.347595682@f277.i.mail.ru> <010401ceb3c6$0092a4b0$01b7ee10$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: <1379442236.992925706@f348.i.mail.ru> Hi John -- Yes, Twitter can be used as "aggregator" of different events raised/triggered on numerous media/information sources as e.g. one's e-mail boxe(s), Facebook account, Instagram, Youtube, Craiglist, Last.fm to name a few. And such an aggregation can be done via web services: https://ifttt.com https://zapier.com/ IOW without any programming... -- Shamil Tuesday, September 17, 2013 11:50 AM -05:00 from "John R Bartow" : >Hi Shamil, >I don't use Twitter. I have an account just so I understand it. I do set my customers up with an account but then promptly use the "Facebook to Twitter" Facebook app so that whatever they post on Facebook feeds into Twitter. Most get good results with Facebook business pages but not too many of them ever get more than a few Twitter followers. Maybe it?s a regional thing. > >John B >-----Original Message----- >From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov Shamil >Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 4:07 AM >To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues >Subject: [dba-Tech] ?That?s The Dumbest Thing I?ve Ever Heard Of.? :) > > >http://techcrunch.com/2013/09/16/twttr-is-interesting/ > >-- >???????????? ?????? >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- ???????????? ?????? From accessd at shaw.ca Tue Sep 17 21:12:37 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 20:12:37 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?=E2=80=9CThat=E2=80=99s_The_Dumbest_Thing_I?= =?utf-8?b?4oCZdmUgRXZlciBIZWFyZCBPZi7igJ0gOik=?= In-Reply-To: <1379408799.347595682@f277.i.mail.ru> Message-ID: <1099114550.6370222.1379470357581.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi Shamil: It seems amazing to me that Twitter has done so well and continues to not only survive but flourish. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 2:06:39 AM Subject: [dba-Tech] ?That?s The Dumbest Thing I?ve Ever Heard Of.? :) http://techcrunch.com/2013/09/16/twttr-is-interesting/ -- ???????????? ?????? _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Tue Sep 17 22:15:45 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 21:15:45 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] Testing your mobile phones against web sites built in IE In-Reply-To: <52362CD7.32101.4F8229DF@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <1195536503.6406150.1379474145353.JavaMail.root@cds002> Microsoft has made a application or more accurately put, a series of virtual drives that will let you test your ie web application on simulations of various phones. http://www.quirksmode.org/blog/archives/2013/09/modernie.html See the following for the download: http://www.modern.ie/en-us There is going to be a number of changes needed to make this system widely used and accepted but it is a first step to becoming again relevant to the browser market. Jim From accessd at shaw.ca Tue Sep 17 22:19:00 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 21:19:00 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] Friendly Linux in the mobile market In-Reply-To: <52362CD7.32101.4F8229DF@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <973448529.6408547.1379474340726.JavaMail.root@cds002> Linux's penetration in the mobile market continues to grow and so does its ease of use as many users are completely unaware of it presents and fears of the old days slowly fade. http://www.wired.com/wiredenterprise/2013/09/linux/ Jim From accessd at shaw.ca Tue Sep 17 22:23:01 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 21:23:01 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] Winter or slow-time projects anyone? In-Reply-To: <52362CD7.32101.4F8229DF@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <1087619561.6410778.1379474581692.JavaMail.root@cds002> The following link suggest seven project to investigate which will potentially increase your skill sets, work load and income. http://www.infoworld.com/print/226648 Have fun boys and girls...nothing like a few nice little (challenging) experiments. ;-) Jim From accessd at shaw.ca Tue Sep 17 22:29:26 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 21:29:26 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] Linux gaming anyone? In-Reply-To: <52362CD7.32101.4F8229DF@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <1039438017.6414496.1379474966204.JavaMail.root@cds002> Linux gaming for many years has almost been a contradiction in terms. It is believed by many that the slow adoption of Linux is because of the OS's inability to play top-flight games. That may very well be true but now some companies are investing on the Linux desktop and so we shall see where that takes us. http://www.zdnet.com/valve-ceo-why-linux-is-the-future-of-gaming-7000020735/ Sorry folks no Grand Thief Auto yet. Jim From accessd at shaw.ca Tue Sep 17 22:42:36 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 21:42:36 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?Windows_8=2E1=E2=80=99s_user-hostile_backup?= =?utf-8?q?=3F?= In-Reply-To: <1039438017.6414496.1379474966204.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: <29786140.6422090.1379475756680.JavaMail.root@cds002> According to the following article Windows 8.1 has no adequate backup system. http://www.edandersen.com/2013/09/15/windows-8-1s-user-hostile-backup-story/ Is this true? Could some of the local Windows8 experts give some insight into these issues? Jim From accessd at shaw.ca Tue Sep 17 22:54:44 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 21:54:44 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] Access to Quantum computing In-Reply-To: <1039438017.6414496.1379474966204.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: <471053329.6430008.1379476484419.JavaMail.root@cds002> Few have access to Quantum computing capabilities...you may have to join the NSA to get direct contact with such computing capabilities. But now it looks like you may be able to get access to a quantum chip via the Cloud and start practicing your coding before the chip drops into your desktop box. http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn24159-quantum-chip-connected-to-internet-is-yours-to-command.html#.UjkiYNLbNNY Jim From gustav at cactus.dk Wed Sep 18 02:19:51 2013 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2013 09:19:51 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Testing your mobile phones against web sites built in IE Message-ID: <005601ceb43f$7771a940$6654fbc0$@cactus.dk> Hi Jim Thanks for posting those links. The VM downloads are, of course, huge but this is an awesome resource. /gustav -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Jim Lawrence Sendt: 18. september 2013 05:16 Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Emne: [dba-Tech] Testing your mobile phones against web sites built in IE Microsoft has made a application or more accurately put, a series of virtual drives that will let you test your ie web application on simulations of various phones. http://www.quirksmode.org/blog/archives/2013/09/modernie.html See the following for the download: http://www.modern.ie/en-us There is going to be a number of changes needed to make this system widely used and accepted but it is a first step to becoming again relevant to the browser market. Jim From jon at tydda.plus.com Wed Sep 18 05:56:16 2013 From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda) Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2013 11:56:16 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?=E2=80=9CThat=E2=80=99s_The_Dumbest_Thing_I?= =?utf-8?b?4oCZdmUgRXZlciBIZWFyZCBPZi7igJ0gOik=?= In-Reply-To: <1099114550.6370222.1379470357581.JavaMail.root@cds002> References: <1379408799.347595682@f277.i.mail.ru> <1099114550.6370222.1379470357581.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: <001701ceb45d$b39556b0$1ac00410$@tydda.plus.com> I don't have an account, but one of my friends does - all he uses it for is to find out what's happening. So if he's stuck in traffic on his way home, he'll search for the name of the road he's on, or the local area, and it'll tell him if there's a crash, or a police raid or whatever, because people will have been posting about it. Sounds good to me, but I haven't made the leap yet. Facebook and LinkedIn are more than enough for me :-) Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: 18 September 2013 03:13 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] ?That?s The Dumbest Thing I?ve Ever Heard Of.? :) Hi Shamil: It seems amazing to me that Twitter has done so well and continues to not only survive but flourish. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 2:06:39 AM Subject: [dba-Tech] ?That?s The Dumbest Thing I?ve Ever Heard Of.? :) http://techcrunch.com/2013/09/16/twttr-is-interesting/ -- ???????????? ?????? _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jon at tydda.plus.com Wed Sep 18 05:58:12 2013 From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda) Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2013 11:58:12 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 8.1's user-hostile backup? In-Reply-To: <29786140.6422090.1379475756680.JavaMail.root@cds002> References: <1039438017.6414496.1379474966204.JavaMail.root@cds002> <29786140.6422090.1379475756680.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: <001801ceb45d$f8d3ee80$ea7bcb80$@tydda.plus.com> Has any version of Windows had an adequate backup system? From discussions on here and OT, it seems that all people do is use Robocopy or Xcopy scripts to do it for them. I know that's all I do! Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: 18 September 2013 04:43 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 8.1's user-hostile backup? According to the following article Windows 8.1 has no adequate backup system. http://www.edandersen.com/2013/09/15/windows-8-1s-user-hostile-backup-story/ Is this true? Could some of the local Windows8 experts give some insight into these issues? Jim _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From ssharkins at gmail.com Wed Sep 18 07:45:03 2013 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2013 08:45:03 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Android SDK Message-ID: My nephew download the Android SDK and is having trouble with the buttons not working. He's found several online mentions of the same problem with solutions, but the solutions haven't helped him. That's all I know about the situation at this point -- is anyone familiar with this problem and perhaps have some advice for him? Thanks! Susan H. From accessd at shaw.ca Wed Sep 18 10:24:07 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2013 09:24:07 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 8.1's user-hostile backup? In-Reply-To: <001801ceb45d$f8d3ee80$ea7bcb80$@tydda.plus.com> Message-ID: <1740729488.6773212.1379517847816.JavaMail.root@cds002> Yes, but are those system even barely adequate? I have used the registry roll back, system restore...it has saved me a number of times. ShadowCopy is my current backup file favorite. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Tydda" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 3:58:12 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows 8.1's user-hostile backup? Has any version of Windows had an adequate backup system? From discussions on here and OT, it seems that all people do is use Robocopy or Xcopy scripts to do it for them. I know that's all I do! Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: 18 September 2013 04:43 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 8.1's user-hostile backup? According to the following article Windows 8.1 has no adequate backup system. http://www.edandersen.com/2013/09/15/windows-8-1s-user-hostile-backup-story/ Is this true? Could some of the local Windows8 experts give some insight into these issues? Jim _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jbartow at winhaven.net Wed Sep 18 12:21:44 2013 From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow) Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2013 12:21:44 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 8.1's user-hostile backup? In-Reply-To: <1740729488.6773212.1379517847816.JavaMail.root@cds002> References: <001801ceb45d$f8d3ee80$ea7bcb80$@tydda.plus.com> <1740729488.6773212.1379517847816.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: <011c01ceb493$8cb69050$a623b0f0$@winhaven.net> What is your implementation plan with shadow copy? -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 10:24 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows 8.1's user-hostile backup? Yes, but are those system even barely adequate? I have used the registry roll back, system restore...it has saved me a number of times. ShadowCopy is my current backup file favorite. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Tydda" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 3:58:12 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows 8.1's user-hostile backup? Has any version of Windows had an adequate backup system? From discussions on here and OT, it seems that all people do is use Robocopy or Xcopy scripts to do it for them. I know that's all I do! Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: 18 September 2013 04:43 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 8.1's user-hostile backup? According to the following article Windows 8.1 has no adequate backup system. http://www.edandersen.com/2013/09/15/windows-8-1s-user-hostile-backup-story/ Is this true? Could some of the local Windows8 experts give some insight into these issues? Jim _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jbartow at winhaven.net Wed Sep 18 12:21:44 2013 From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow) Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2013 12:21:44 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 8.1's user-hostile backup? In-Reply-To: <001801ceb45d$f8d3ee80$ea7bcb80$@tydda.plus.com> References: <1039438017.6414496.1379474966204.JavaMail.root@cds002> <29786140.6422090.1379475756680.JavaMail.root@cds002> <001801ceb45d$f8d3ee80$ea7bcb80$@tydda.plus.com> Message-ID: <011d01ceb493$8d1fd970$a75f8c50$@winhaven.net> Mind sharing your xcopy script? I have some out there that I use but am always looking for improving them. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 5:58 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows 8.1's user-hostile backup? Has any version of Windows had an adequate backup system? From discussions on here and OT, it seems that all people do is use Robocopy or Xcopy scripts to do it for them. I know that's all I do! Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: 18 September 2013 04:43 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 8.1's user-hostile backup? According to the following article Windows 8.1 has no adequate backup system. http://www.edandersen.com/2013/09/15/windows-8-1s-user-hostile-backup-story/ Is this true? Could some of the local Windows8 experts give some insight into these issues? Jim _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jon at tydda.plus.com Wed Sep 18 12:51:52 2013 From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda) Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2013 18:51:52 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 8.1's user-hostile backup? In-Reply-To: <011d01ceb493$8d1fd970$a75f8c50$@winhaven.net> References: <1039438017.6414496.1379474966204.JavaMail.root@cds002> <29786140.6422090.1379475756680.JavaMail.root@cds002> <001801ceb45d$f8d3ee80$ea7bcb80$@tydda.plus.com> <011d01ceb493$8d1fd970$a75f8c50$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: <003c01ceb497$c2a2e5c0$47e8b140$@tydda.plus.com> xcopy /Y /Q /S /D "C:\Documents and Settings\Jon\My Documents\*" "h:\backup\" is one example. Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John R Bartow Sent: 18 September 2013 18:22 To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows 8.1's user-hostile backup? Mind sharing your xcopy script? I have some out there that I use but am always looking for improving them. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 5:58 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows 8.1's user-hostile backup? Has any version of Windows had an adequate backup system? From discussions on here and OT, it seems that all people do is use Robocopy or Xcopy scripts to do it for them. I know that's all I do! Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: 18 September 2013 04:43 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 8.1's user-hostile backup? According to the following article Windows 8.1 has no adequate backup system. http://www.edandersen.com/2013/09/15/windows-8-1s-user-hostile-backup-story/ Is this true? Could some of the local Windows8 experts give some insight into these issues? Jim _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Wed Sep 18 15:12:52 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2013 14:12:52 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 8.1's user-hostile backup? In-Reply-To: <011c01ceb493$8cb69050$a623b0f0$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: <76414753.7128691.1379535172886.JavaMail.root@cds002> Through overnight processes, at a couple of client sites, all the data is backed up to the main server and attached backup...I am working on a bitTorrent sync solution for offsite backup but that has not been finished yet. (It will stream backup any size of file.) To do station data backups, I first run a simple xcopy backup scenario but if that fails, if the client left the application running and the data is not accessible that is where the ShadowCopy application comes in. (http://www.runtime.org/shadow-copy.htm) Most windows systems have the shadow-copy feature turned on by default but it should be turned off on your application server drive. @echo off c: cd \Program Files\Runtime Software\ShadowCopy shadowcopy q:\*.* s:\serverbackups\backupstation1 /y > nul exit There is a little more to it than that but you should be able to test it out. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "John R Bartow" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 10:21:44 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows 8.1's user-hostile backup? What is your implementation plan with shadow copy? -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 10:24 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows 8.1's user-hostile backup? Yes, but are those system even barely adequate? I have used the registry roll back, system restore...it has saved me a number of times. ShadowCopy is my current backup file favorite. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Tydda" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 3:58:12 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows 8.1's user-hostile backup? Has any version of Windows had an adequate backup system? From discussions on here and OT, it seems that all people do is use Robocopy or Xcopy scripts to do it for them. I know that's all I do! Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: 18 September 2013 04:43 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 8.1's user-hostile backup? According to the following article Windows 8.1 has no adequate backup system. http://www.edandersen.com/2013/09/15/windows-8-1s-user-hostile-backup-story/ Is this true? Could some of the local Windows8 experts give some insight into these issues? Jim _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From mcp2004 at mail.ru Wed Sep 18 15:31:09 2013 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2013 00:31:09 +0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?Windows_8=2E1=27s_user-hostile_backup=3F?= In-Reply-To: <76414753.7128691.1379535172886.JavaMail.root@cds002> References: <011c01ceb493$8cb69050$a623b0f0$@winhaven.net> <76414753.7128691.1379535172886.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: <1379536269.492298750@f141.i.mail.ru> Hi Jim -- I have used Disk2VHD ( http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/ee656415.aspx ) to backup/virtualize all kinds of MS Windows systems including Win8, and it worked well for me. Carefully read all notes (in italics) on referred above web page. -- Shamil Wednesday, September 18, 2013 2:12 PM -06:00 from Jim Lawrence : >Through overnight processes, at a couple of client sites, all the data is backed up to the main server and attached backup...I am working on a bitTorrent sync solution for offsite backup but that has not been finished yet. (It will stream backup any size of file.) > >To do station data backups, I first run a simple xcopy backup scenario but if that fails, if the client left the application running and the data is not accessible that is where the ShadowCopy application comes in. ( http://www.runtime.org/shadow-copy.htm ) Most windows systems have the shadow-copy feature turned on by default but it should be turned off on your application server drive. > >@echo off >c: >cd \Program Files\Runtime Software\ShadowCopy >shadowcopy q:\*.* s:\serverbackups\backupstation1 /y > nul >exit > >There is a little more to it than that but you should be able to test it out. > >Jim > >? > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "John R Bartow" < jbartow at winhaven.net > >To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" < dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com > >Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 10:21:44 AM >Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows 8.1's user-hostile backup? > >What is your implementation plan with shadow copy? > >-----Original Message----- >From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence >Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 10:24 AM >To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues >Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows 8.1's user-hostile backup? > >Yes, but are those system even barely adequate? > >I have used the registry roll back, system restore...it has saved me a >number of times. ShadowCopy is my current backup file favorite. > >Jim > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Jon Tydda" < jon at tydda.plus.com > >To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" >< dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com > >Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 3:58:12 AM >Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows 8.1's user-hostile backup? > >Has any version of Windows had an adequate backup system? From discussions >on here and OT, it seems that all people do is use Robocopy or Xcopy scripts >to do it for them. I know that's all I do! > > >Jon > >-----Original Message----- >From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence >Sent: 18 September 2013 04:43 >To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues >Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 8.1's user-hostile backup? > >According to the following article Windows 8.1 has no adequate backup >system. > >http://www.edandersen.com/2013/09/15/windows-8-1s-user-hostile-backup-story/ > >Is this true? Could some of the local Windows8 experts give some insight >into these issues? > >Jim > > -- ???????????? ?????? From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Thu Sep 19 09:46:44 2013 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2013 07:46:44 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Viral News Message-ID: http://www.ic3.gov/media/2013/130918.aspx I think I may have already blocked this once. Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.bchacc.com www.e-z-mrp.com Skype: rocky.smolin From accessd at shaw.ca Thu Sep 19 10:18:38 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2013 09:18:38 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 8.1's user-hostile backup? In-Reply-To: <1379536269.492298750@f141.i.mail.ru> Message-ID: <761002833.7852301.1379603918032.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi Shamil: Now that is very interesting. It is a little different in that it creates a backup VHD, using the shadow copy. I have been using DriveImageXML in a similar method, for years, but it can be very slow on large drives. If Disk2vhd can backup quicker and individual files or directories can be easily queries from the result, this product would be a worthy replacement to DIX. The only other item that would be important is if, in the event a hard drive failure, the backup VHD then could be used to build a new drive that would boot without a great deal of preparation. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 1:31:09 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows 8.1's user-hostile backup? Hi Jim -- I have used Disk2VHD ( http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/ee656415.aspx ) to backup/virtualize all kinds of MS Windows systems including Win8, and it worked well for me. Carefully read all notes (in italics) on referred above web page. -- Shamil Wednesday, September 18, 2013 2:12 PM -06:00 from Jim Lawrence : >Through overnight processes, at a couple of client sites, all the data is backed up to the main server and attached backup...I am working on a bitTorrent sync solution for offsite backup but that has not been finished yet. (It will stream backup any size of file.) > >To do station data backups, I first run a simple xcopy backup scenario but if that fails, if the client left the application running and the data is not accessible that is where the ShadowCopy application comes in. ( http://www.runtime.org/shadow-copy.htm ) Most windows systems have the shadow-copy feature turned on by default but it should be turned off on your application server drive. > >@echo off >c: >cd \Program Files\Runtime Software\ShadowCopy >shadowcopy q:\*.* s:\serverbackups\backupstation1 /y > nul >exit > >There is a little more to it than that but you should be able to test it out. > >Jim > >? > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "John R Bartow" < jbartow at winhaven.net > >To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" < dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com > >Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 10:21:44 AM >Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows 8.1's user-hostile backup? > >What is your implementation plan with shadow copy? > >-----Original Message----- >From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence >Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 10:24 AM >To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues >Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows 8.1's user-hostile backup? > >Yes, but are those system even barely adequate? > >I have used the registry roll back, system restore...it has saved me a >number of times. ShadowCopy is my current backup file favorite. > >Jim > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Jon Tydda" < jon at tydda.plus.com > >To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" >< dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com > >Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 3:58:12 AM >Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows 8.1's user-hostile backup? > >Has any version of Windows had an adequate backup system? From discussions >on here and OT, it seems that all people do is use Robocopy or Xcopy scripts >to do it for them. I know that's all I do! > > >Jon > >-----Original Message----- >From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence >Sent: 18 September 2013 04:43 >To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues >Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 8.1's user-hostile backup? > >According to the following article Windows 8.1 has no adequate backup >system. > >http://www.edandersen.com/2013/09/15/windows-8-1s-user-hostile-backup-story/ > >Is this true? Could some of the local Windows8 experts give some insight >into these issues? > >Jim > > -- ???????????? ?????? _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Thu Sep 19 11:32:08 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2013 10:32:08 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] Another challenger for MS 365 and Google Docs? In-Reply-To: <471053329.6430008.1379476484419.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: <1876724969.7965251.1379608328691.JavaMail.root@cds002> Is there another challenger for two online business giants? Some are saying exactly that with the new product from BOX called Box Notes. It is interesting to note that two senior members from both MS Office 365 and Google Office development teams are now heading up the new company. http://gigaom.com/2013/09/16/box-wont-say-it-out-loud-but-its-taking-on-google-and-microsoft-with-box-notes/#! ...and... http://content.box.com/?elqPURLPage=211 It does look like it definitely fills a need. Jim From accessd at shaw.ca Fri Sep 20 13:43:07 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2013 12:43:07 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] Bing in our future In-Reply-To: <1379536269.492298750@f141.i.mail.ru> Message-ID: <1468307287.9184970.1379702587851.JavaMail.root@cds002> Bing now has a new interface and it is simply lovely. I think the new interface is a keeper and Google and DucDucGo will have to up their game. http://www.bing.com/blogs/site_blogs/b/search/archive/2013/09/16/next-phase.aspx Jim From accessd at shaw.ca Fri Sep 20 13:58:28 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2013 12:58:28 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] Ready for primetime? In-Reply-To: <1379536269.492298750@f141.i.mail.ru> Message-ID: <1533364685.9200467.1379703508585.JavaMail.root@cds002> There have been many articles in the past that have claimed that it was the year of Linux. Those proponents have all been wrong, in the past, but in the last while things have slowly changing or is it quickly... Today most servers are Linux, most Smartphones are Linux and it is now said that most tablets are Linux leaving the last preserve, the desktop. One writer, looking at the figures and the trends is says because of the new alliance between Intel and the Linux world the PC will soon be Linux. http://www.zdnet.com/intel-the-year-of-the-linux-desktop-is-here-7000020849/ Jim From accessd at shaw.ca Fri Sep 20 14:38:14 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2013 13:38:14 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] The Open Source awards In-Reply-To: <1379536269.492298750@f141.i.mail.ru> Message-ID: <478992376.9242664.1379705894266.JavaMail.root@cds002> Every year there is the Open Source awards. These awards are of particular interest for the computer industry because they show-case the future of development. This is not to say that these innovations will not be in all the industry but this is traditionally where the latest and greatest appears first. http://www.infoworld.com/print/226971 The languages that code the Open Source evolution has been moving and expanding throughout the years and the following link attempts to graph that growth. Note: any graphic has a difficult challenge to accurately represent the market as the market has been expanding exponentially and a two dimensional graph is not truly representational. http://readwrite.com/2013/09/17/a-visual-history-of-the-last-20-years-of-open-source-code#awesm=~ohV9wyFm1ad5od If you are entering the development world Lisp may not be your best choice. ;-) Jim From jbartow at winhaven.net Fri Sep 20 15:06:31 2013 From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow) Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2013 15:06:31 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Bing in our future In-Reply-To: <1468307287.9184970.1379702587851.JavaMail.root@cds002> References: <1379536269.492298750@f141.i.mail.ru> <1468307287.9184970.1379702587851.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: <004301ceb63c$e733fcc0$b59bf640$@winhaven.net> I use Big now and like it very much. Oddly enough the one exception is when I'm searching for Microsoft related questions, then I use Google. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 1:43 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Bing in our future Bing now has a new interface and it is simply lovely. I think the new interface is a keeper and Google and DucDucGo will have to up their game. http://www.bing.com/blogs/site_blogs/b/search/archive/2013/09/16/next-phase. aspx Jim _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Fri Sep 20 15:18:08 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2013 14:18:08 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] The Open Source awards In-Reply-To: <478992376.9242664.1379705894266.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: <1679613434.9283740.1379708288982.JavaMail.root@cds002> PS I should have added this link: http://www.infoworld.com/slideshow/119849/bossie-awards-2013-the-best-open-source-application-development-tools-226977#slide1 Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Lawrence" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 12:38:14 PM Subject: [dba-Tech] The Open Source awards Every year there is the Open Source awards. These awards are of particular interest for the computer industry because they show-case the future of development. This is not to say that these innovations will not be in all the industry but this is traditionally where the latest and greatest appears first. http://www.infoworld.com/print/226971 The languages that code the Open Source evolution has been moving and expanding throughout the years and the following link attempts to graph that growth. Note: any graphic has a difficult challenge to accurately represent the market as the market has been expanding exponentially and a two dimensional graph is not truly representational. http://readwrite.com/2013/09/17/a-visual-history-of-the-last-20-years-of-open-source-code#awesm=~ohV9wyFm1ad5od If you are entering the development world Lisp may not be your best choice. ;-) Jim _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Fri Sep 20 16:20:38 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2013 15:20:38 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] Bing in our future In-Reply-To: <004301ceb63c$e733fcc0$b59bf640$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: <1443618322.9351756.1379712038720.JavaMail.root@cds002> Ha ha ha....:-) Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "John R Bartow" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 1:06:31 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Bing in our future I use Big now and like it very much. Oddly enough the one exception is when I'm searching for Microsoft related questions, then I use Google. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 1:43 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Bing in our future Bing now has a new interface and it is simply lovely. I think the new interface is a keeper and Google and DucDucGo will have to up their game. http://www.bing.com/blogs/site_blogs/b/search/archive/2013/09/16/next-phase. aspx Jim _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Sat Sep 21 03:52:22 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2013 02:52:22 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] Your Microsoft documents will be available everywhere In-Reply-To: <1679613434.9283740.1379708288982.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: <1712543992.9688584.1379753542569.JavaMail.root@cds002> Google is now giving away for free QuickOffice for both Android and iOS. https://plus.google.com/+GoogleDrive/posts/Gz5GpSeCW4x Now you will be able to open your MS documents anywhere. Jim From accessd at shaw.ca Sat Sep 21 04:12:04 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2013 03:12:04 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] AngularJS In-Reply-To: <1679613434.9283740.1379708288982.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: <1055468643.9692102.1379754724162.JavaMail.root@cds002> This is one of Google's best OS products and its popularity continues to grow. It has already been vote one of the year's top ten Open Source applications. (The more I use it the more I like it...) http://wintellect.com/blogs/jlikness/10-reasons-web-developers-should-learn-angularjs Jim From accessd at shaw.ca Sat Sep 21 04:40:59 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2013 03:40:59 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] AngularJS In-Reply-To: <1055468643.9692102.1379754724162.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: <804835280.9697322.1379756459188.JavaMail.root@cds002> PS for those interested in getting up to speed in AngularJS checkout the following list of sample videos: http://egghead.io/lessons Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Lawrence" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2013 2:12:04 AM Subject: [dba-Tech] AngularJS This is one of Google's best OS products and its popularity continues to grow. It has already been vote one of the year's top ten Open Source applications. (The more I use it the more I like it...) http://wintellect.com/blogs/jlikness/10-reasons-web-developers-should-learn-angularjs Jim _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jbartow at winhaven.net Sat Sep 21 15:02:18 2013 From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow) Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2013 15:02:18 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows Event Log help Message-ID: <002101ceb705$7a9aae00$6fd00a00$@winhaven.net> Do any of you fine people know how to filter the event log for what PROGRAM caused a reboot? I know Event IDs 6005 and 6006 will indicate a power down event but that information isn't very helpful by itself in this instance. I had an entire office of workstations reboot once during the day (at various times). They all got a 2 minute warning that the computer was going to reboot, save your work, etc. which sounds like my script. Except my script happens on Tuesday nights not Thursday during work hours. It appears that Java was updated but I do not allow for automatic updates, so, I'm trying to track this down. TIA John B From accessd at shaw.ca Sun Sep 22 12:44:25 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2013 11:44:25 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows Event Log help In-Reply-To: <002101ceb705$7a9aae00$6fd00a00$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: <868507411.10502917.1379871865830.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi John: You seem to have a problem with your updates. I (try to) never have automatic updates...they are just too dangerous. The last thing needed is a client's site crashing during a work day. That said, do you have a the full event log or just the dump file? Windows does have events that will over-ride any settings. This happens when an update has been installed and then the immediate reboot cycle has been postponed. The Home edition of Window7 is just such a beast. At one point it will decide, regardless of the settings that some process must be handled...it first prompts how long before boot cycle starts, which can be up to four hours, but if no one takes action within a five minute window, it start a shutdown and reboot cycle of about two minutes. Your description does sound like that. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "John R Bartow" To: "DBA-Tech" Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2013 1:02:18 PM Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows Event Log help Do any of you fine people know how to filter the event log for what PROGRAM caused a reboot? I know Event IDs 6005 and 6006 will indicate a power down event but that information isn't very helpful by itself in this instance. I had an entire office of workstations reboot once during the day (at various times). They all got a 2 minute warning that the computer was going to reboot, save your work, etc. which sounds like my script. Except my script happens on Tuesday nights not Thursday during work hours. It appears that Java was updated but I do not allow for automatic updates, so, I'm trying to track this down. TIA John B _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Sun Sep 22 13:37:23 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2013 12:37:23 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] Dire warnings In-Reply-To: <804835280.9697322.1379756459188.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: <80138704.10533874.1379875043868.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi All: I have been receiving warnings similar to the following link: http://www.lenovo.com/us/en/solutions/xp-nightmare-whitepaper.shtml?elq_mid=3168&elq_cid=848849&v=BCC1h_WP_Nightmare&ls=ENT_HL_MOB_XP_BCC1h&sf=701a0000000ewMV&ecid=CLENO000000848849&elq=0cc0db94d81b44ecbbfc35a10b2d2746 Where the above message came from is curious to me but there seems to be a number of such messages going out and they seem like just some scare tactic. Some of my client's have also been receiving them and they are all getting very concerned. They can always move up to a later version of Windows but I have been assembling a Linux replacement build in-case the price is more than they want to pay. I just don't know which way to go on this but will have to play it by ear. Any suggestions or comments will be great-fully accepted. Jim From jon at tydda.plus.com Sun Sep 22 13:50:36 2013 From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda) Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2013 19:50:36 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Dire warnings In-Reply-To: <80138704.10533874.1379875043868.JavaMail.root@cds002> References: <804835280.9697322.1379756459188.JavaMail.root@cds002> <80138704.10533874.1379875043868.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: <000801ceb7c4$a1031590$e30940b0$@tydda.plus.com> Hi Jim At my work, we migrated to Windows 7 as part of our four yearly hardware upgrade cycle. I'm not sure how people are convincing themselves that doing it is too expensive - I think it'd be more expensive NOT to upgrade, in the long run. Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: 22 September 2013 19:37 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Dire warnings Hi All: I have been receiving warnings similar to the following link: http://www.lenovo.com/us/en/solutions/xp-nightmare-whitepaper.shtml?elq_mid= 3168&elq_cid=848849&v=BCC1h_WP_Nightmare&ls=ENT_HL_MOB_XP_BCC1h&sf=701a00000 00ewMV&ecid=CLENO000000848849&elq=0cc0db94d81b44ecbbfc35a10b2d2746 Where the above message came from is curious to me but there seems to be a number of such messages going out and they seem like just some scare tactic. Some of my client's have also been receiving them and they are all getting very concerned. They can always move up to a later version of Windows but I have been assembling a Linux replacement build in-case the price is more than they want to pay. I just don't know which way to go on this but will have to play it by ear. Any suggestions or comments will be great-fully accepted. Jim _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Sun Sep 22 16:33:57 2013 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2013 07:33:57 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Dire warnings In-Reply-To: <80138704.10533874.1379875043868.JavaMail.root@cds002> References: <804835280.9697322.1379756459188.JavaMail.root@cds002>, <80138704.10533874.1379875043868.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: <523F6245.6226.17396FCC@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Where the message came from is the key. FUD to sell new hardware. -- Stuart On 22 Sep 2013 at 12:37, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Hi All: > > I have been receiving warnings similar to the following link: > > http://www.lenovo.com/us/en/solutions/xp-nightmare-whitepaper.shtml?elq > _mid=3168&Jelq_cid=848849&v=BCC1h_WP_Nightmare&ls=ENT_HL_MOB_XP_BCC1h&s > f=701a0000000ewMV&ecid=CLENO000000848849&elq=0cc0db94d81b44ecbbfc35a10b > 2d2746 > > Where the above message came from is curious to me but there seems to > be a number of such messages going out and they seem like just some > scare tactic. Some of my client's have also been receiving them and > they are all getting very concerned. > > They can always move up to a later version of Windows but I have been > assembling a Linux replacement build in-case the price is more than > they want to pay. I just don't know which way to go on this but will > have to play it by ear. > > Any suggestions or comments will be great-fully accepted. > > Jim > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From garykjos at gmail.com Sun Sep 22 18:20:25 2013 From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2013 18:20:25 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Dire warnings In-Reply-To: <523F6245.6226.17396FCC@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <804835280.9697322.1379756459188.JavaMail.root@cds002> <80138704.10533874.1379875043868.JavaMail.root@cds002> <523F6245.6226.17396FCC@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: Unfortunately every publicly held.company WILL be forced to kill off their xp boxes "just in case". GK On Sunday, September 22, 2013, Stuart McLachlan wrote: > Where the message came from is the key. > > FUD to sell new hardware. > > -- > Stuart > > On 22 Sep 2013 at 12:37, Jim Lawrence wrote: > >> Hi All: >> >> I have been receiving warnings similar to the following link: >> >> http://www.lenovo.com/us/en/solutions/xp-nightmare-whitepaper.shtml?elq >> _mid=3168&Jelq_cid=848849&v=BCC1h_WP_Nightmare&ls=ENT_HL_MOB_XP_BCC1h&s >> f=701a0000000ewMV&ecid=CLENO000000848849&elq=0cc0db94d81b44ecbbfc35a10b >> 2d2746 >> >> Where the above message came from is curious to me but there seems to >> be a number of such messages going out and they seem like just some >> scare tactic. Some of my client's have also been receiving them and >> they are all getting very concerned. >> >> They can always move up to a later version of Windows but I have been >> assembling a Linux replacement build in-case the price is more than >> they want to pay. I just don't know which way to go on this but will >> have to play it by ear. >> >> Any suggestions or comments will be great-fully accepted. >> >> Jim >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com From jbartow at winhaven.net Sun Sep 22 22:04:25 2013 From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow) Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2013 22:04:25 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows Event Log help In-Reply-To: <868507411.10502917.1379871865830.JavaMail.root@cds002> References: <002101ceb705$7a9aae00$6fd00a00$@winhaven.net> <868507411.10502917.1379871865830.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: <00f501ceb809$9ce123e0$d6a36ba0$@winhaven.net> Jim, It wasn't a crash. I don't have windows automatic updates enabled. I do that via my RMM via WSUS. I've also run into the Windows 7 Home issue but all of these stations are Windows 7 Pro. Oracle's Java updated to 7.4 but I didn't authorize it and I can't find any options for how it upgrades now. (I can also do that via RMM but I need to be able to figure out how to turn it off on the workstations too.) So I'm trying to do the detective work of which program caused this; WSUS, Java, or something else. Question is how? I thought the event log would be the way to go but it seems to only tell me it shutdown - but not why. John B -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2013 12:44 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows Event Log help Hi John: You seem to have a problem with your updates. I (try to) never have automatic updates...they are just too dangerous. The last thing needed is a client's site crashing during a work day. That said, do you have a the full event log or just the dump file? Windows does have events that will over-ride any settings. This happens when an update has been installed and then the immediate reboot cycle has been postponed. The Home edition of Window7 is just such a beast. At one point it will decide, regardless of the settings that some process must be handled...it first prompts how long before boot cycle starts, which can be up to four hours, but if no one takes action within a five minute window, it start a shutdown and reboot cycle of about two minutes. Your description does sound like that. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "John R Bartow" To: "DBA-Tech" Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2013 1:02:18 PM Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows Event Log help Do any of you fine people know how to filter the event log for what PROGRAM caused a reboot? I know Event IDs 6005 and 6006 will indicate a power down event but that information isn't very helpful by itself in this instance. I had an entire office of workstations reboot once during the day (at various times). They all got a 2 minute warning that the computer was going to reboot, save your work, etc. which sounds like my script. Except my script happens on Tuesday nights not Thursday during work hours. It appears that Java was updated but I do not allow for automatic updates, so, I'm trying to track this down. TIA John B _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Sep 23 12:00:14 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2013 11:00:14 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] Dire warnings In-Reply-To: <523F6245.6226.17396FCC@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <1267548362.11261915.1379955614324.JavaMail.root@cds002> I guess every hardware company along with MS is salivating at the prospects of XP's death...so much money! Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stuart McLachlan" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2013 2:33:57 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Dire warnings Where the message came from is the key. FUD to sell new hardware. -- Stuart On 22 Sep 2013 at 12:37, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Hi All: > > I have been receiving warnings similar to the following link: > > http://www.lenovo.com/us/en/solutions/xp-nightmare-whitepaper.shtml?elq > _mid=3168&Jelq_cid=848849&v=BCC1h_WP_Nightmare&ls=ENT_HL_MOB_XP_BCC1h&s > f=701a0000000ewMV&ecid=CLENO000000848849&elq=0cc0db94d81b44ecbbfc35a10b > 2d2746 > > Where the above message came from is curious to me but there seems to > be a number of such messages going out and they seem like just some > scare tactic. Some of my client's have also been receiving them and > they are all getting very concerned. > > They can always move up to a later version of Windows but I have been > assembling a Linux replacement build in-case the price is more than > they want to pay. I just don't know which way to go on this but will > have to play it by ear. > > Any suggestions or comments will be great-fully accepted. > > Jim > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Sep 23 12:04:32 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2013 11:04:32 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] Dire warnings In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1773625808.11268137.1379955872499.JavaMail.root@cds002> That is true....especially stateside. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Kjos" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2013 4:20:25 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Dire warnings Unfortunately every publicly held.company WILL be forced to kill off their xp boxes "just in case". GK On Sunday, September 22, 2013, Stuart McLachlan wrote: > Where the message came from is the key. > > FUD to sell new hardware. > > -- > Stuart > > On 22 Sep 2013 at 12:37, Jim Lawrence wrote: > >> Hi All: >> >> I have been receiving warnings similar to the following link: >> >> http://www.lenovo.com/us/en/solutions/xp-nightmare-whitepaper.shtml?elq >> _mid=3168&Jelq_cid=848849&v=BCC1h_WP_Nightmare&ls=ENT_HL_MOB_XP_BCC1h&s >> f=701a0000000ewMV&ecid=CLENO000000848849&elq=0cc0db94d81b44ecbbfc35a10b >> 2d2746 >> >> Where the above message came from is curious to me but there seems to >> be a number of such messages going out and they seem like just some >> scare tactic. Some of my client's have also been receiving them and >> they are all getting very concerned. >> >> They can always move up to a later version of Windows but I have been >> assembling a Linux replacement build in-case the price is more than >> they want to pay. I just don't know which way to go on this but will >> have to play it by ear. >> >> Any suggestions or comments will be great-fully accepted. >> >> Jim >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Sep 23 14:20:28 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2013 13:20:28 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] Dire warnings In-Reply-To: <000801ceb7c4$a1031590$e30940b0$@tydda.plus.com> Message-ID: <1452427651.11437901.1379964028396.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi Jon: In a home site it is sometimes more difficult to migrate a client to Linux as not all their games will port but in a business environment there are far fewer application needed so Linux becomes a real option. Some of the local banks are still, according to a friend who does the servicing, that they have not made up their minds. The apparent lack of security from proprietary software is holding everything up. No one is saying it out right but I think the revelations from Snowden is causing every tech to second guess their companies' security. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Tydda" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2013 11:50:36 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Dire warnings Hi Jim At my work, we migrated to Windows 7 as part of our four yearly hardware upgrade cycle. I'm not sure how people are convincing themselves that doing it is too expensive - I think it'd be more expensive NOT to upgrade, in the long run. Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: 22 September 2013 19:37 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Dire warnings Hi All: I have been receiving warnings similar to the following link: http://www.lenovo.com/us/en/solutions/xp-nightmare-whitepaper.shtml?elq_mid= 3168&elq_cid=848849&v=BCC1h_WP_Nightmare&ls=ENT_HL_MOB_XP_BCC1h&sf=701a00000 00ewMV&ecid=CLENO000000848849&elq=0cc0db94d81b44ecbbfc35a10b2d2746 Where the above message came from is curious to me but there seems to be a number of such messages going out and they seem like just some scare tactic. Some of my client's have also been receiving them and they are all getting very concerned. They can always move up to a later version of Windows but I have been assembling a Linux replacement build in-case the price is more than they want to pay. I just don't know which way to go on this but will have to play it by ear. Any suggestions or comments will be great-fully accepted. Jim _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Sep 23 15:15:13 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2013 14:15:13 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows Event Log help In-Reply-To: <00f501ceb809$9ce123e0$d6a36ba0$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: <1266406631.11498349.1379967313905.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi John: Other than by using observation and/or running the MS event logging there is no obvious way to absolutely identify the culprit. That said, as programs that enact a periodic forced reboot are rare, I would suspect a new application has been loaded on the system recently and I would check the "Add and Remove programs" section and check the Services section and try to spot some app that is unfamiliar and either remove it of turn it off. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "John R Bartow" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2013 8:04:25 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows Event Log help Jim, It wasn't a crash. I don't have windows automatic updates enabled. I do that via my RMM via WSUS. I've also run into the Windows 7 Home issue but all of these stations are Windows 7 Pro. Oracle's Java updated to 7.4 but I didn't authorize it and I can't find any options for how it upgrades now. (I can also do that via RMM but I need to be able to figure out how to turn it off on the workstations too.) So I'm trying to do the detective work of which program caused this; WSUS, Java, or something else. Question is how? I thought the event log would be the way to go but it seems to only tell me it shutdown - but not why. John B -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2013 12:44 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows Event Log help Hi John: You seem to have a problem with your updates. I (try to) never have automatic updates...they are just too dangerous. The last thing needed is a client's site crashing during a work day. That said, do you have a the full event log or just the dump file? Windows does have events that will over-ride any settings. This happens when an update has been installed and then the immediate reboot cycle has been postponed. The Home edition of Window7 is just such a beast. At one point it will decide, regardless of the settings that some process must be handled...it first prompts how long before boot cycle starts, which can be up to four hours, but if no one takes action within a five minute window, it start a shutdown and reboot cycle of about two minutes. Your description does sound like that. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "John R Bartow" To: "DBA-Tech" Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2013 1:02:18 PM Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows Event Log help Do any of you fine people know how to filter the event log for what PROGRAM caused a reboot? I know Event IDs 6005 and 6006 will indicate a power down event but that information isn't very helpful by itself in this instance. I had an entire office of workstations reboot once during the day (at various times). They all got a 2 minute warning that the computer was going to reboot, save your work, etc. which sounds like my script. Except my script happens on Tuesday nights not Thursday during work hours. It appears that Java was updated but I do not allow for automatic updates, so, I'm trying to track this down. TIA John B _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jbartow at winhaven.net Mon Sep 23 15:44:20 2013 From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow) Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2013 15:44:20 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Surface 2 presentation Message-ID: <00af01ceb89d$ae9a3100$0bce9300$@winhaven.net> An amazing product. I just laugh to myself how if Steve Jobs had presented this there would be uncontrollable cheering (just for the keyboards). And it would be hailed as the most fantastic, evolution in personal computing. Alas, no such thing. The guy can barely get an applause. http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/news/presskits/surface/surfaceevent.aspx?WT.m c_id=Social_FBPAGE_SurfaceOutgoingAnnouncement_Mon%20Sep%2023%2017:42:00%20G MT%202013_24205051_Surface From jbartow at winhaven.net Mon Sep 23 20:48:55 2013 From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow) Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2013 20:48:55 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows Event Log help In-Reply-To: <1266406631.11498349.1379967313905.JavaMail.root@cds002> References: <00f501ceb809$9ce123e0$d6a36ba0$@winhaven.net> <1266406631.11498349.1379967313905.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: <00f801ceb8c8$3b82f050$b288d0f0$@winhaven.net> Thanks, first thing I did. Nothing new. There are software vendors with remote support so I always suspect them ;-) -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 3:15 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows Event Log help Hi John: Other than by using observation and/or running the MS event logging there is no obvious way to absolutely identify the culprit. That said, as programs that enact a periodic forced reboot are rare, I would suspect a new application has been loaded on the system recently and I would check the "Add and Remove programs" section and check the Services section and try to spot some app that is unfamiliar and either remove it of turn it off. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "John R Bartow" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2013 8:04:25 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows Event Log help Jim, It wasn't a crash. I don't have windows automatic updates enabled. I do that via my RMM via WSUS. I've also run into the Windows 7 Home issue but all of these stations are Windows 7 Pro. Oracle's Java updated to 7.4 but I didn't authorize it and I can't find any options for how it upgrades now. (I can also do that via RMM but I need to be able to figure out how to turn it off on the workstations too.) So I'm trying to do the detective work of which program caused this; WSUS, Java, or something else. Question is how? I thought the event log would be the way to go but it seems to only tell me it shutdown - but not why. John B -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2013 12:44 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows Event Log help Hi John: You seem to have a problem with your updates. I (try to) never have automatic updates...they are just too dangerous. The last thing needed is a client's site crashing during a work day. That said, do you have a the full event log or just the dump file? Windows does have events that will over-ride any settings. This happens when an update has been installed and then the immediate reboot cycle has been postponed. The Home edition of Window7 is just such a beast. At one point it will decide, regardless of the settings that some process must be handled...it first prompts how long before boot cycle starts, which can be up to four hours, but if no one takes action within a five minute window, it start a shutdown and reboot cycle of about two minutes. Your description does sound like that. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "John R Bartow" To: "DBA-Tech" Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2013 1:02:18 PM Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows Event Log help Do any of you fine people know how to filter the event log for what PROGRAM caused a reboot? I know Event IDs 6005 and 6006 will indicate a power down event but that information isn't very helpful by itself in this instance. I had an entire office of workstations reboot once during the day (at various times). They all got a 2 minute warning that the computer was going to reboot, save your work, etc. which sounds like my script. Except my script happens on Tuesday nights not Thursday during work hours. It appears that Java was updated but I do not allow for automatic updates, so, I'm trying to track this down. TIA John B _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Sep 23 22:43:18 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2013 21:43:18 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] Android finally has a challenger In-Reply-To: <00f801ceb8c8$3b82f050$b288d0f0$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: <2012976462.11849248.1379994198555.JavaMail.root@cds002> Android Linux's incredible growth has complete eclipsed every other manufacture of Smartphones. At one point iPhone was viewed as a competitor but that was 20 percent ago. Android has become everything and that is not a good place for a company to be...they need challengers to make and keep a product great. With that thought, there enters another company that is going to compete directly against the Android OS. It is a company called Cyanogen and they now have approximately $7 million to launch their dream. http://www.davidwaynebaxter.com/feed/fork-in-the-road-cyanogen-raises-7-million-to-build-a-better-version-of-android/ Aside: IBM has just announced they will be adding another two billion dollars in the Linux pot to keep the innovation flowing. Jim From hans.andersen at phulse.com Tue Sep 24 01:24:12 2013 From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen) Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2013 23:24:12 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Android finally has a challenger In-Reply-To: <2012976462.11849248.1379994198555.JavaMail.root@cds002> References: <2012976462.11849248.1379994198555.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: <01A17A33-777B-4578-A3A9-D7FED5E1E2E4@phulse.com> Hi Jim, I'm not sure if you are trolling... Android is not a company. It's a piece of software that many fragmented and feudal states (companies) use, because it is free to distribute and so is its development and maintenance. It is the Symbian OS of our modern smartphone era. You seem to be implying that sheer percentage of the smart phone market means it has won the race. That it is the leading product. If that were truly the case, then it would be the platform that has the ability to shift where the market is heading, has the premier software and has the dominant amount of press coverage and so forth. This is not the case. Companies using Android release lots of interesting features, but to minimal effect (anyone here using NFC yet?). It still does not have any premier software. Of the best software it has, they are pretty much ports from iPhone land. And, regarding press coverage, it is no where near the bonanza and almost complete melt down from rumours and speculation that Apple gets. So how is Android leading the smartphone market? I'll admit the pure numbers are impressive, but a big portion of that is for cheap smartphones running an old version of android used by someone who doesn't care. They just wanted a phone that could call someone and send SMS messages. Android is great and all, but it is still in 2nd place by any metric that actually matters. As a side note, I love this quote: "There are more atoms in a cup of water than there are cups of water in the oceans of the world" It's all about perspective. Best regards, Hans-Christian Andersen On 23 Sep 2013, at 20:43, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Android Linux's incredible growth has complete eclipsed every other manufacture of Smartphones. > > At one point iPhone was viewed as a competitor but that was 20 percent ago. Android has become everything and that is not a good place for a company to be...they need challengers to make and keep a product great. > > With that thought, there enters another company that is going to compete directly against the Android OS. It is a company called Cyanogen and they now have approximately $7 million to launch their dream. > > http://www.davidwaynebaxter.com/feed/fork-in-the-road-cyanogen-raises-7-million-to-build-a-better-version-of-android/ > > Aside: IBM has just announced they will be adding another two billion dollars in the Linux pot to keep the innovation flowing. > > Jim > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From hans.andersen at phulse.com Tue Sep 24 01:30:41 2013 From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen) Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2013 23:30:41 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] AngularJS In-Reply-To: <804835280.9697322.1379756459188.JavaMail.root@cds002> References: <804835280.9697322.1379756459188.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: <04DE529D-9DF0-4EFD-B7BE-928532712244@phulse.com> Thanks Jim. This site is brilliant! I've been watching several tutorials and I'm excited to use angular on a new project of mine. Best regards, Hans-Christian Andersen On 21 Sep 2013, at 02:40, Jim Lawrence wrote: > PS for those interested in getting up to speed in AngularJS checkout the following list of sample videos: > > http://egghead.io/lessons > > Jim > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Lawrence" > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2013 2:12:04 AM > Subject: [dba-Tech] AngularJS > > This is one of Google's best OS products and its popularity continues to grow. It has already been vote one of the year's top ten Open Source applications. (The more I use it the more I like it...) > > http://wintellect.com/blogs/jlikness/10-reasons-web-developers-should-learn-angularjs > > Jim > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From gustav at cactus.dk Tue Sep 24 02:21:39 2013 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2013 09:21:39 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Surface 2 presentation Message-ID: <004501ceb8f6$b66522b0$232f6810$@cactus.dk> Hi John Thanks! The Surface Pro 2 is a monster machine, a workstation in disguise. Attach two monitors and you are flying. /gustav -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af John R Bartow Sendt: 23. september 2013 22:44 Til: dba-ot at databaseadvisors.com; DBA-Tech Emne: [dba-Tech] Surface 2 presentation An amazing product. I just laugh to myself how if Steve Jobs had presented this there would be uncontrollable cheering (just for the keyboards). And it would be hailed as the most fantastic, evolution in personal computing. Alas, no such thing. The guy can barely get an applause. http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/news/presskits/surface/surfaceevent.aspx?WT.m c_id=Social_FBPAGE_SurfaceOutgoingAnnouncement_Mon%20Sep%2023%2017:42:00%20G MT%202013_24205051_Surface From accessd at shaw.ca Tue Sep 24 18:32:22 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2013 17:32:22 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] Android finally has a challenger In-Reply-To: <01A17A33-777B-4578-A3A9-D7FED5E1E2E4@phulse.com> Message-ID: <885516424.12741799.1380065542280.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi Hans: Actually, I was high-lighting a new OSS OS for the Smartphones that currently runs android, without modification from the company called Cyanogen. I was not really concerned with the quality or quantity but if your need those figures, Android, in its various flavours now covers 80 percent of the market compared to iOS, in its various flavours which now covers 13 percent of the market. It does not matter whether iOS OS is ten times better the truth is that next year iOS will be ten percent of the market and Android OS will be 85 percent of the market. If the truth be known I would prefer a purer Linux alternative but at last check they only have one percent of the market and no real Smartphone alternative...maybe something from Canonical in October? Even Windows has almost 400 percent more product in the market...and who knows maybe in a few years they will have ten percent of the market? I do not like an OS, like Android, (or when Windows became 90 percent) to become so extensive in their market penetration that all competition shrivels and the product quality drops. I would like to see no OS ever exceed 40 percent as that means there is still healthy competition in the market place. You have to look at this all in an objective manner...the iPhones and it iOS don't need any defending but the Android OS (Linux) growth needs competition on their own turf. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hans-Christian Andersen" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 11:24:12 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Android finally has a challenger Hi Jim, I'm not sure if you are trolling... Android is not a company. It's a piece of software that many fragmented and feudal states (companies) use, because it is free to distribute and so is its development and maintenance. It is the Symbian OS of our modern smartphone era. You seem to be implying that sheer percentage of the smart phone market means it has won the race. That it is the leading product. If that were truly the case, then it would be the platform that has the ability to shift where the market is heading, has the premier software and has the dominant amount of press coverage and so forth. This is not the case. Companies using Android release lots of interesting features, but to minimal effect (anyone here using NFC yet?). It still does not have any premier software. Of the best software it has, they are pretty much ports from iPhone land. And, regarding press coverage, it is no where near the bonanza and almost complete melt down from rumours and speculation that Apple gets. So how is Android leading the smartphone market? I'll admit the pure numbers are impressive, but a big portion of that is for cheap smartphones running an old version of android used by someone who doesn't care. They just wanted a phone that could call someone and send SMS messages. Android is great and all, but it is still in 2nd place by any metric that actually matters. As a side note, I love this quote: "There are more atoms in a cup of water than there are cups of water in the oceans of the world" It's all about perspective. Best regards, Hans-Christian Andersen On 23 Sep 2013, at 20:43, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Android Linux's incredible growth has complete eclipsed every other manufacture of Smartphones. > > At one point iPhone was viewed as a competitor but that was 20 percent ago. Android has become everything and that is not a good place for a company to be...they need challengers to make and keep a product great. > > With that thought, there enters another company that is going to compete directly against the Android OS. It is a company called Cyanogen and they now have approximately $7 million to launch their dream. > > http://www.davidwaynebaxter.com/feed/fork-in-the-road-cyanogen-raises-7-million-to-build-a-better-version-of-android/ > > Aside: IBM has just announced they will be adding another two billion dollars in the Linux pot to keep the innovation flowing. > > Jim > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Wed Sep 25 04:54:04 2013 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2013 05:54:04 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Cloud Convert Message-ID: I just came across a nifty utility that might interest you. You need to have either Google Drive or DropBox, but if so you can convert just about any file type to just about any other file type. Just select your files, then decide whether you want the converted files to be emailed to you or uploaded directly to your Dropbox or Google Drive account. 148 different file types are supported, and it's fully responsive for mobile use so you can convert on the go. See https://cloudconvert.org/ for more info. -- Arthur From accessd at shaw.ca Wed Sep 25 11:20:18 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2013 10:20:18 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] Cloud Convert In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1689309727.13321696.1380126018872.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi Arthur: That is awesome. Thanks for the link. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arthur Fuller" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2013 2:54:04 AM Subject: [dba-Tech] Cloud Convert I just came across a nifty utility that might interest you. You need to have either Google Drive or DropBox, but if so you can convert just about any file type to just about any other file type. Just select your files, then decide whether you want the converted files to be emailed to you or uploaded directly to your Dropbox or Google Drive account. 148 different file types are supported, and it's fully responsive for mobile use so you can convert on the go. See https://cloudconvert.org/ for more info. -- Arthur _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Wed Sep 25 11:58:48 2013 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2013 12:58:48 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Weird gmail issue Message-ID: I have had three different people try to send me a copy of a single XL spreadsheet (we're all on a project) and have received none of the emails. My initial guess was that gmail was seeing this as a potential executable threat and was blocking it. So I asked one of the three people to zip the file first and send it. He has done so and I still have not received it. Does anyone have any idea why this might occur. I forget how to inspect my filters to see whether anything there is responsible for the blockage -- Arthur From Gustav at cactus.dk Wed Sep 25 12:05:02 2013 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2013 19:05:02 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Weird gmail issue Message-ID: Hi Arthur Gmail has reported to have seen major issues the last days. One happening was exactly missing attachments. /gustav >>> fuller.artful at gmail.com 25-09-13 18:58 >>> I have had three different people try to send me a copy of a single XL spreadsheet (we're all on a project) and have received none of the emails. My initial guess was that gmail was seeing this as a potential executable threat and was blocking it. So I asked one of the three people to zip the file first and send it. He has done so and I still have not received it. Does anyone have any idea why this might occur. I forget how to inspect my filters to see whether anything there is responsible for the blockage -- Arthur From accessd at shaw.ca Wed Sep 25 13:04:15 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2013 12:04:15 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows Event Log help In-Reply-To: <00f801ceb8c8$3b82f050$b288d0f0$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: <527956447.13446162.1380132255524.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi John: Any break throughs yet? Removed a supposed virus protection program that a client had installed yesterday. The client of course denied it and the program was actually a black-mail routine. When I arrived, email was inaccessible, warnings were popping up continuously, the task-manager was blocked as well as access to the command prompt and the only functioning browser lead straight to their payment site and the Microsoft essentials security was disabled. As you would guess the malware was everywhere in the system...in the paths, superseding legitimate apps, every start up spot, all through the registry and so on. It took over three hours to remove and there are still fixes needed but at least the client can now do her work. The best method would have been to re-format and start again but that process would probably have taken eight to ten hours. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "John R Bartow" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 6:48:55 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows Event Log help Thanks, first thing I did. Nothing new. There are software vendors with remote support so I always suspect them ;-) -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 3:15 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows Event Log help Hi John: Other than by using observation and/or running the MS event logging there is no obvious way to absolutely identify the culprit. That said, as programs that enact a periodic forced reboot are rare, I would suspect a new application has been loaded on the system recently and I would check the "Add and Remove programs" section and check the Services section and try to spot some app that is unfamiliar and either remove it of turn it off. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "John R Bartow" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2013 8:04:25 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows Event Log help Jim, It wasn't a crash. I don't have windows automatic updates enabled. I do that via my RMM via WSUS. I've also run into the Windows 7 Home issue but all of these stations are Windows 7 Pro. Oracle's Java updated to 7.4 but I didn't authorize it and I can't find any options for how it upgrades now. (I can also do that via RMM but I need to be able to figure out how to turn it off on the workstations too.) So I'm trying to do the detective work of which program caused this; WSUS, Java, or something else. Question is how? I thought the event log would be the way to go but it seems to only tell me it shutdown - but not why. John B -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2013 12:44 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows Event Log help Hi John: You seem to have a problem with your updates. I (try to) never have automatic updates...they are just too dangerous. The last thing needed is a client's site crashing during a work day. That said, do you have a the full event log or just the dump file? Windows does have events that will over-ride any settings. This happens when an update has been installed and then the immediate reboot cycle has been postponed. The Home edition of Window7 is just such a beast. At one point it will decide, regardless of the settings that some process must be handled...it first prompts how long before boot cycle starts, which can be up to four hours, but if no one takes action within a five minute window, it start a shutdown and reboot cycle of about two minutes. Your description does sound like that. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "John R Bartow" To: "DBA-Tech" Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2013 1:02:18 PM Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows Event Log help Do any of you fine people know how to filter the event log for what PROGRAM caused a reboot? I know Event IDs 6005 and 6006 will indicate a power down event but that information isn't very helpful by itself in this instance. I had an entire office of workstations reboot once during the day (at various times). They all got a 2 minute warning that the computer was going to reboot, save your work, etc. which sounds like my script. Except my script happens on Tuesday nights not Thursday during work hours. It appears that Java was updated but I do not allow for automatic updates, so, I'm trying to track this down. TIA John B _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Wed Sep 25 13:25:07 2013 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2013 14:25:07 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Weird gmail issue In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Gustav, Thanks for that. It's a small consolation. I suppose that in a day or two I'll receive a dozen copies of the same file. Better more than less. Arthur On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 1:05 PM, Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi Arthur > > Gmail has reported to have seen major issues the last days. One happening > was exactly missing attachments. > > /gustav > From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Wed Sep 25 14:53:52 2013 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2013 12:53:52 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Weird gmail issue In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <05DCFEDB2CEC40B0AE44BDE1F3CBD23C@HAL9007> Maybe Gmail is seeing the zip as a threat. Have them try the attachment with no extension or a fake extension? R -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2013 9:59 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Weird gmail issue I have had three different people try to send me a copy of a single XL spreadsheet (we're all on a project) and have received none of the emails. My initial guess was that gmail was seeing this as a potential executable threat and was blocking it. So I asked one of the three people to zip the file first and send it. He has done so and I still have not received it. Does anyone have any idea why this might occur. I forget how to inspect my filters to see whether anything there is responsible for the blockage -- Arthur _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From hans.andersen at phulse.com Wed Sep 25 15:07:08 2013 From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen) Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2013 13:07:08 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Weird gmail issue In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <24D1FD82-FE50-48B8-B926-6C0BCB8056A5@phulse.com> Have you tried running a search for all emails that have an attachment? If gmail was blocking it due to it not passing some malware filter, normally the sender and/or the recipient would get notified, I would think. - Hans > On Sep 25, 2013, at 9:58 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > > I have had three different people try to send me a copy of a single XL > spreadsheet (we're all on a project) and have received none of the emails. > My initial guess was that gmail was seeing this as a potential executable > threat and was blocking it. So I asked one of the three people to zip the > file first and send it. He has done so and I still have not received it. > > Does anyone have any idea why this might occur. I forget how to inspect my > filters to see whether anything there is responsible for the blockage > > -- > Arthur > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Wed Sep 25 18:16:58 2013 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2013 19:16:58 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Weird gmail issue In-Reply-To: <24D1FD82-FE50-48B8-B926-6C0BCB8056A5@phulse.com> References: <24D1FD82-FE50-48B8-B926-6C0BCB8056A5@phulse.com> Message-ID: According to Gustav, gmail has been having problems the last couple of days, particularly with attachments. I "solved" the problem by creating a yahoo account and requesting the files again. Worked like a charm. A. From accessd at shaw.ca Sat Sep 28 12:23:23 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2013 11:23:23 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] Printing from DOS to a networked Windows printer In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <659756244.16340725.1380389003447.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi All: If any of you have some techniques for printing to a Windows network printer from the command prompt I would be interested in knowing. Any other related issues I would also be eager to know. There is a lot of stuff out on the web about such processes but I have a time limit to come up with the best and most flexible method for accomplishing this. Any suggestions or/and sample code would be greatly appreciated. MTIA Jim From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sat Sep 28 13:01:58 2013 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2013 14:01:58 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Printing from DOS to a networked Windows printer In-Reply-To: <659756244.16340725.1380389003447.JavaMail.root@cds002> References: <659756244.16340725.1380389003447.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: Wow Jim you seriously bring up the days of old. I remember CP/M and even Apple SOS, Those were the days, back when dBASE II ran within 64K of RAM. Way back when. I met Wayne and Bob Byers too, and I was the first to publish an interview with C. Wayne Ratliff. Also I was the first and only interviewer to land Brian Russell, creator of Clipper.But these stories are long ago, and others have covered the new meat, e.g. Zuckerberg etc. I think that I could do a way better job on such fields, but who cares? Anyway, DOS rocks and I even have an emulator for it, but I love CP/M even more. Bad move, Gary Kilfalll. You could have changed the world but chose instead to take a plane-ride. Thanks for all that ego, Gary. On Sat, Sep 28, 2013 at 1:23 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Hi All: > > If any of you have some techniques for printing to a Windows network > printer from the command prompt I would be interested in knowing. Any other > related issues I would also be eager to know. > > There is a lot of stuff out on the web about such processes but I have a > time limit to come up with the best and most flexible method for > accomplishing this. Any suggestions or/and sample code would be greatly > appreciated. > > MTIA > > Jim > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Arthur From accessd at shaw.ca Sat Sep 28 13:45:39 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2013 12:45:39 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] Printing from DOS to a networked Windows printer In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <41424118.16394318.1380393939812.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi Arthur: I do remember those days very well. It seemed that we had to learn a whole new language ever few months. (...but things have not really slowed down.) The most annoying thing is that Bill reversed the slashes which makes me always have to pause when keying in at the command prompt. Anyways, if you have some brilliant suggestions on printing from the old to the new, I will be pleased to entertain those ideas. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arthur Fuller" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2013 11:01:58 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Printing from DOS to a networked Windows printer Wow Jim you seriously bring up the days of old. I remember CP/M and even Apple SOS, Those were the days, back when dBASE II ran within 64K of RAM. Way back when. I met Wayne and Bob Byers too, and I was the first to publish an interview with C. Wayne Ratliff. Also I was the first and only interviewer to land Brian Russell, creator of Clipper.But these stories are long ago, and others have covered the new meat, e.g. Zuckerberg etc. I think that I could do a way better job on such fields, but who cares? Anyway, DOS rocks and I even have an emulator for it, but I love CP/M even more. Bad move, Gary Kilfalll. You could have changed the world but chose instead to take a plane-ride. Thanks for all that ego, Gary. On Sat, Sep 28, 2013 at 1:23 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Hi All: > > If any of you have some techniques for printing to a Windows network > printer from the command prompt I would be interested in knowing. Any other > related issues I would also be eager to know. > > There is a lot of stuff out on the web about such processes but I have a > time limit to come up with the best and most flexible method for > accomplishing this. Any suggestions or/and sample code would be greatly > appreciated. > > MTIA > > Jim > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Arthur _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Gustav at cactus.dk Sat Sep 28 16:09:42 2013 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2013 23:09:42 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Printing from DOS to a networked Windows printer Message-ID: Hi Jim To list ressources: Net view \\servername First, map the printer with: Net use LPT1: \\server\printername Write to the printer: copy d:\filename lpt1: /b or: print /D:lpt1 d:\filename /gustav >>> accessd at shaw.ca 28-09-13 19:23 >>> Hi All: If any of you have some techniques for printing to a Windows network printer from the command prompt I would be interested in knowing. Any other related issues I would also be eager to know. There is a lot of stuff out on the web about such processes but I have a time limit to come up with the best and most flexible method for accomplishing this. Any suggestions or/and sample code would be greatly appreciated. MTIA Jim From accessd at shaw.ca Sat Sep 28 16:59:56 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2013 15:59:56 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] Printing from DOS to a networked Windows printer In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <389666947.16491358.1380405596179.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi Gustav: Thank you for that. I was planning on doing some serious testing next week... Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gustav Brock" To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2013 2:09:42 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Printing from DOS to a networked Windows printer Hi Jim To list ressources: Net view \\servername First, map the printer with: Net use LPT1: \\server\printername Write to the printer: copy d:\filename lpt1: /b or: print /D:lpt1 d:\filename /gustav >>> accessd at shaw.ca 28-09-13 19:23 >>> Hi All: If any of you have some techniques for printing to a Windows network printer from the command prompt I would be interested in knowing. Any other related issues I would also be eager to know. There is a lot of stuff out on the web about such processes but I have a time limit to come up with the best and most flexible method for accomplishing this. Any suggestions or/and sample code would be greatly appreciated. MTIA Jim _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From gustav at cactus.dk Sun Sep 29 03:50:22 2013 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2013 10:50:22 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Printing from DOS to a networked Windows printer Message-ID: Hi Jim I'm curious. What are you doing? I mean printing from DOS ... I can't even recall when I did that last. Oh, a couple of years ago I helped a young lawyer (she is very sweet! If not, I would have refrained from this) by installing a never-going-to-die custom accounting package in the dosbox virtual environment, she was forced to use. /gustav >>> accessd at shaw.ca 28-09-13 23:59 >>> Hi Gustav: Thank you for that. I was planning on doing some serious testing next week... Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gustav Brock" To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2013 2:09:42 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Printing from DOS to a networked Windows printer Hi Jim To list ressources: Net view \\servername First, map the printer with: Net use LPT1: \\server\printername Write to the printer: copy d:\filename lpt1: /b or: print /D:lpt1 d:\filename /gustav >>> accessd at shaw.ca 28-09-13 19:23 >>> Hi All: If any of you have some techniques for printing to a Windows network printer from the command prompt I would be interested in knowing. Any other related issues I would also be eager to know. There is a lot of stuff out on the web about such processes but I have a time limit to come up with the best and most flexible method for accomplishing this. Any suggestions or/and sample code would be greatly appreciated. MTIA Jim From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sun Sep 29 07:32:01 2013 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2013 08:32:01 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Printing from DOS to a networked Windows printer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hey Gustav. I still remember CP/M. DOS was the new pooch in town, and the attendant stories about Bill and Seattle Computer Products and the best $50 ever spent, and Gary Kildall and his missed appointment with the IBM execsn who wanted to buy CP/M bla bla bla. Arthur On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 4:50 AM, Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi Jim > > I'm curious. What are you doing? I mean printing from DOS ... I can't even > recall when I did that last. > > Oh, a couple of years ago I helped a young lawyer (she is very sweet! If > not, I would have refrained from this) by installing a never-going-to-die > custom accounting package in the dosbox virtual environment, she was forced > to use. > > /gustav > > >>> accessd at shaw.ca 28-09-13 23:59 >>> > Hi Gustav: > > Thank you for that. I was planning on doing some serious testing next > week... > > Jim > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gustav Brock" > To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com > Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2013 2:09:42 PM > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Printing from DOS to a networked Windows > printer > > Hi Jim > > To list ressources: Net view \\servername > > First, map the printer with: Net use LPT1: \\server\printername > > Write to the printer: > > copy d:\filename lpt1: /b > or: > print /D:lpt1 d:\filename > > /gustav > > >>> accessd at shaw.ca 28-09-13 19:23 >>> > Hi All: > > If any of you have some techniques for printing to a Windows network > printer from the command prompt I would be interested in knowing. Any other > related issues I would also be eager to know. > > There is a lot of stuff out on the web about such processes but I have a > time limit to come up with the best and most flexible method for > accomplishing this. Any suggestions or/and sample code would be greatly > appreciated. > > MTIA > > Jim > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Arthur From Gustav at cactus.dk Sun Sep 29 07:50:25 2013 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2013 14:50:25 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Printing from DOS to a networked Windows printer Message-ID: Hi Arthur Yes, wasn't it Altos computers who promoted CP/M a lot? I mostly know it from the AVL Eagle which my company at that time (1978) had the dealership for. It came with 16K ram which could be expanded to 64K by inserting fullsize expansion boards of 16 K each at a small fortune. It was built to program multimedia slideshows ("multimedia extravaganzas" as the US guys called it if the the count of projectors were 15+ or so) but also ran WordStar with all its ..codes. /gustav >>> fuller.artful at gmail.com 29-09-13 14:32 >>> Hey Gustav. I still remember CP/M. DOS was the new pooch in town, and the attendant stories about Bill and Seattle Computer Products and the best $50 ever spent, and Gary Kildall and his missed appointment with the IBM execsn who wanted to buy CP/M bla bla bla. Arthur From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sun Sep 29 09:22:15 2013 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2013 10:22:15 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Printing from DOS to a networked Windows printer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Gustav, we are revealing our age. I recall the Eagle, but my first virgin was an Apple 2 clone called a Unitron, with a CP/M card and I learned Worsdstar in a day and then dBASE-II in a month. And way back then 64K was huge. On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 8:50 AM, Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi Arthur > > Yes, wasn't it Altos computers who promoted CP/M a lot? > I mostly know it from the AVL Eagle which my company at that time (1978) > had the dealership for. > It came with 16K ram which could be expanded to 64K by inserting fullsize > expansion boards of 16 K each at a small fortune. > It was built to program multimedia slideshows ("multimedia extravaganzas" > as the US guys called it if the the count of projectors were 15+ or so) but > also ran WordStar with all its ..codes. > > /gustav > > >>> fuller.artful at gmail.com 29-09-13 14:32 >>> > Hey Gustav. I still remember CP/M. DOS was the new pooch in town, and the > attendant stories about Bill and Seattle Computer Products and the best $50 > ever spent, and Gary Kildall and his missed appointment with the IBM execsn > who wanted to buy CP/M bla bla bla. > > Arthur > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Arthur From accessd at shaw.ca Sun Sep 29 09:49:53 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2013 08:49:53 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] Printing from DOS to a networked Windows printer In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <14088329.16800148.1380466193593.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi Gustav: This is an ancient Informix application from one of the very few clients I still support. Probably because there is not another person who still knows how to supports it. The core base is over twenty years old but it does absolutely everything their company needs...full accounting, inventory, invoicing, staffing and all the business and government reports etc etc. To replace it would cost the client's in the neighbourhood of fifty to a hundred K, minimum. I would love to change it but it works and it is very fast. If they would give me 50K to start with and in a year they would have their old application replaced with a nice shiny new, super fast, fully portable web intranet system that runs on every platform... I have all the components picked out and ready to go; just waiting on their approval...but in the meantime... Are you still supporting that fine young lawyer? ;-) I am surprised at just how many ancient systems are out there. An old fellow could make a very good living just supporting these old relics. ;-) Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gustav Brock" To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2013 1:50:22 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Printing from DOS to a networked Windows printer Hi Jim I'm curious. What are you doing? I mean printing from DOS ... I can't even recall when I did that last. Oh, a couple of years ago I helped a young lawyer (she is very sweet! If not, I would have refrained from this) by installing a never-going-to-die custom accounting package in the dosbox virtual environment, she was forced to use. /gustav >>> accessd at shaw.ca 28-09-13 23:59 >>> Hi Gustav: Thank you for that. I was planning on doing some serious testing next week... Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gustav Brock" To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2013 2:09:42 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Printing from DOS to a networked Windows printer Hi Jim To list ressources: Net view \\servername First, map the printer with: Net use LPT1: \\server\printername Write to the printer: copy d:\filename lpt1: /b or: print /D:lpt1 d:\filename /gustav >>> accessd at shaw.ca 28-09-13 19:23 >>> Hi All: If any of you have some techniques for printing to a Windows network printer from the command prompt I would be interested in knowing. Any other related issues I would also be eager to know. There is a lot of stuff out on the web about such processes but I have a time limit to come up with the best and most flexible method for accomplishing this. Any suggestions or/and sample code would be greatly appreciated. MTIA Jim _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Gustav at cactus.dk Sun Sep 29 10:28:10 2013 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2013 17:28:10 +0200 Subject: [dba-Tech] Printing from DOS to a networked Windows printer Message-ID: Hi Jim Yes, that's how it is - in the meantime. Business has to continue. No, that nice lawyer I have passed to one of my former employees who now runs his own IT service business as we don't do general hardware/software service for clients any more. /gustav >>> accessd at shaw.ca 29-09-13 16:49 >>> Hi Gustav: This is an ancient Informix application from one of the very few clients I still support. Probably because there is not another person who still knows how to supports it. The core base is over twenty years old but it does absolutely everything their company needs...full accounting, inventory, invoicing, staffing and all the business and government reports etc etc. To replace it would cost the client's in the neighbourhood of fifty to a hundred K, minimum. I would love to change it but it works and it is very fast. If they would give me 50K to start with and in a year they would have their old application replaced with a nice shiny new, super fast, fully portable web intranet system that runs on every platform... I have all the components picked out and ready to go; just waiting on their approval...but in the meantime... Are you still supporting that fine young lawyer? ;-) I am surprised at just how many ancient systems are out there. An old fellow could make a very good living just supporting these old relics. ;-) Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gustav Brock" To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2013 1:50:22 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Printing from DOS to a networked Windows printer Hi Jim I'm curious. What are you doing? I mean printing from DOS ... I can't even recall when I did that last. Oh, a couple of years ago I helped a young lawyer (she is very sweet! If not, I would have refrained from this) by installing a never-going-to-die custom accounting package in the dosbox virtual environment, she was forced to use. /gustav >>> accessd at shaw.ca 28-09-13 23:59 >>> Hi Gustav: Thank you for that. I was planning on doing some serious testing next week... Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gustav Brock" To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2013 2:09:42 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Printing from DOS to a networked Windows printer Hi Jim To list ressources: Net view \\servername First, map the printer with: Net use LPT1: \\server\printername Write to the printer: copy d:\filename lpt1: /b or: print /D:lpt1 d:\filename /gustav >>> accessd at shaw.ca 28-09-13 19:23 >>> Hi All: If any of you have some techniques for printing to a Windows network printer from the command prompt I would be interested in knowing. Any other related issues I would also be eager to know. There is a lot of stuff out on the web about such processes but I have a time limit to come up with the best and most flexible method for accomplishing this. Any suggestions or/and sample code would be greatly appreciated. MTIA Jim From accessd at shaw.ca Sun Sep 29 17:04:23 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2013 16:04:23 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] Microsoft's "Browser swarm tool" In-Reply-To: <14088329.16800148.1380466193593.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: <2021094750.17051743.1380492263991.JavaMail.root@cds002> Microsoft now has an Open Source application that lets developers test JavaScript frameworks across all major browsers. http://thenextweb.com/microsoft/2013/09/26/microsofts-open-source-browserswarm-tool-lets-developers-test-javascript-frameworks-across-all-major-browsers/ Can true universality be far off when MS makes an OSS product for cross platform development? Jim From accessd at shaw.ca Sun Sep 29 17:15:47 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2013 16:15:47 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] JavaScript is everywhere In-Reply-To: <14088329.16800148.1380466193593.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: <1861994473.17057197.1380492947158.JavaMail.root@cds002> The triumph of JavaScript. It is everywhere and does everything and has been optimized beyond any other program. We now have full compilers, vector graphics, sound, animation, web servers, database connectivity and dozens of top-flight framework. http://www.infoworld.com/print/227283 ...and this is just the start. For an application that can be no fun programming with, its ability to perform on virtually every platform makes it all worth while. Jim From accessd at shaw.ca Sun Sep 29 23:16:59 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2013 22:16:59 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] Dot Net In-Reply-To: <1861994473.17057197.1380492947158.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: <1846390796.17235088.1380514619621.JavaMail.root@cds002> "...Is Microsoft falling behind the open-source and cloud world in offering easy-to-deploy services and development environments? Is the world moving beyond .NET?..." http://www.zdnet.com/software-engineer-explains-why-he-swore-off-net-platform-7000021038/ Jim From df.waters at comcast.net Mon Sep 30 08:32:30 2013 From: df.waters at comcast.net (Dan Waters) Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2013 08:32:30 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Dot Net In-Reply-To: <1846390796.17235088.1380514619621.JavaMail.root@cds002> References: <1861994473.17057197.1380492947158.JavaMail.root@cds002> <1846390796.17235088.1380514619621.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: <003e01cebde1$8392a480$8ab7ed80$@comcast.net> If you read the comments you'll find some knowledgeable people taking the author to task. The one discussion point I do agree with is the amazingly high cost of the Ultimate and Premium versions of Visual Studio. This would cause people to find alternatives. Dan -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2013 11:17 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Dot Net "...Is Microsoft falling behind the open-source and cloud world in offering easy-to-deploy services and development environments? Is the world moving beyond .NET?..." http://www.zdnet.com/software-engineer-explains-why-he-swore-off-net-platfor m-7000021038/ Jim _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Sep 30 09:47:29 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2013 08:47:29 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] Dot Net In-Reply-To: <003e01cebde1$8392a480$8ab7ed80$@comcast.net> Message-ID: <1402190470.17485350.1380552449376.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi Dan: The article was an opening for this discussion. It would be difficult for me to balance whether one development platform is better than another. There is still an express version of the .Net framework and if a the full version was required a client would of course be paying for it...directly or indirectly. The author of the point of view did not specifically state that the costs of the products were major impediment but that the suggested that the newer OSS development tools were more effective and more commonly used. The comments are always most interesting. ;-) How expensive are the Ultimate and Premium versions of Visual Studio? Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Waters" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Monday, September 30, 2013 6:32:30 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Dot Net If you read the comments you'll find some knowledgeable people taking the author to task. The one discussion point I do agree with is the amazingly high cost of the Ultimate and Premium versions of Visual Studio. This would cause people to find alternatives. Dan -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2013 11:17 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Dot Net "...Is Microsoft falling behind the open-source and cloud world in offering easy-to-deploy services and development environments? Is the world moving beyond .NET?..." http://www.zdnet.com/software-engineer-explains-why-he-swore-off-net-platfor m-7000021038/ Jim _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Mon Sep 30 09:51:53 2013 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2013 10:51:53 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Dot Net In-Reply-To: <003e01cebde1$8392a480$8ab7ed80$@comcast.net> References: <1861994473.17057197.1380492947158.JavaMail.root@cds002> <1846390796.17235088.1380514619621.JavaMail.root@cds002> <003e01cebde1$8392a480$8ab7ed80$@comcast.net> Message-ID: I wish to nominate myself as the future CEO of Microsoft. And I need all you people to second this nomination. I have radical plans for transforming this dinosaur. "Just watch me!" as the saying goes. Don't let me loose in this playpen, else s**t will happen. But seriously, I figure that if I gather a few million votes then I could reasonably become the big shishkabob in Redmond. And as my first platform plank, I shall make Windows free, and of course charge correspondingly more for Office... no wait, other way around, make Office free and charge big bucks for Windows. Nah, both ideas are bad. How about this? We clone Windoze and make it free and call it Lindows. That is pretty much guaranteed to fork them all up. On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 9:32 AM, Dan Waters wrote: > If you read the comments you'll find some knowledgeable people taking the > author to task. > > The one discussion point I do agree with is the amazingly high cost of the > Ultimate and Premium versions of Visual Studio. This would cause people to > find alternatives. > > Dan > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence > Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2013 11:17 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: [dba-Tech] Dot Net > > "...Is Microsoft falling behind the open-source and cloud world in offering > easy-to-deploy services and development environments? Is the world moving > beyond .NET?..." > > > http://www.zdnet.com/software-engineer-explains-why-he-swore-off-net-platfor > m-7000021038/ > > Jim > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Arthur From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Sep 30 10:10:46 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2013 09:10:46 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] Dot Net In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1131925886.17511179.1380553846183.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi Arthur: I think you are being facetious. ;-) As I noted before the main point was not that the products were free or otherwise but that the market was producing products that better fit the new development environments. The author was making the complaint that Microsoft was not keeping up...but it is difficult for a large company like that to be as nimble, agile or even as well informed of market changes, as their much smaller competitors. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arthur Fuller" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Monday, September 30, 2013 7:51:53 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Dot Net I wish to nominate myself as the future CEO of Microsoft. And I need all you people to second this nomination. I have radical plans for transforming this dinosaur. "Just watch me!" as the saying goes. Don't let me loose in this playpen, else s**t will happen. But seriously, I figure that if I gather a few million votes then I could reasonably become the big shishkabob in Redmond. And as my first platform plank, I shall make Windows free, and of course charge correspondingly more for Office... no wait, other way around, make Office free and charge big bucks for Windows. Nah, both ideas are bad. How about this? We clone Windoze and make it free and call it Lindows. That is pretty much guaranteed to fork them all up. On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 9:32 AM, Dan Waters wrote: > If you read the comments you'll find some knowledgeable people taking the > author to task. > > The one discussion point I do agree with is the amazingly high cost of the > Ultimate and Premium versions of Visual Studio. This would cause people to > find alternatives. > > Dan > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence > Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2013 11:17 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: [dba-Tech] Dot Net > > "...Is Microsoft falling behind the open-source and cloud world in offering > easy-to-deploy services and development environments? Is the world moving > beyond .NET?..." > > > http://www.zdnet.com/software-engineer-explains-why-he-swore-off-net-platfor > m-7000021038/ > > Jim > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Arthur _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Sep 30 10:33:54 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2013 09:33:54 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] Dot Net In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <643735134.17543801.1380555234320.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi All: There is one comment in the article that says it very clearly and this is from a senior developer... Your picture is incomplete... ...if all you are looking at is .NET, Ruby on Rails and PHP frameworks. The developer tool ecosystem on Python is very extensive and useful. Perhaps you should try Python based frameworks out like Django or Flask. I've written Python REST interfaces quite easily without the assistance of any formal "framework" at all which attests to the power of the language. Perl is derided as a "dying language" but it has the biggest library of code of any language out there (CPAN completely dwarfs all .NET resources)--it is still has an active developer community and keeps up with the times. There are countless other platforms and technologies for app development as well. Node.js has its fans and is apparently quite scalable. Erlang is also very scalable and built for concurrency. Kepler is a framework for Lua, which is a language with a relatively flat learning curve. I've not done much with any of these but it helps to be aware of the alternatives. That is one habit I've had to fight against that seems to be human nature--to embrace one thing that you've gotten used to at the expense of looking at alternatives. I see it with .NET and PHP people a lot. I've seen people write contorted code to address shortcomings in MySQL when PostgreSQL's built in capabilities would make the solution trivial. I know .NET people who will spend five figures on MSFT kit before they'd spend even minutes to look at any alternatives. I myself was used to developing in Perl since the mid 1990s and had to make myself spend the time to give Python and Ruby a chance. But I do have one thing to say against .NET (which I know quite well): of ALL the options out there, it is the MOST LOCKED IN--even more so than Java. It is completely dominated by MSFT, and Mono is really second fiddle and lacks the large development community and full framework support. To make FULL use the "cutting edge capabilities" of .NET you MUST adopt the full MSFT stack--that means buying into Windows OS and MSFT all the way up. OTOH, all the others are much more multi-platform. You can stick with Windows or you can go to a Linux- or BSD-based OS, or Apple, or other commercial UNIX. The development environment and supporting tools and libraries for .NET are first rate I admit, but that large investment and the relatively insular development community are its shortcomings. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arthur Fuller" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Monday, September 30, 2013 7:51:53 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Dot Net I wish to nominate myself as the future CEO of Microsoft. And I need all you people to second this nomination. I have radical plans for transforming this dinosaur. "Just watch me!" as the saying goes. Don't let me loose in this playpen, else s**t will happen. But seriously, I figure that if I gather a few million votes then I could reasonably become the big shishkabob in Redmond. And as my first platform plank, I shall make Windows free, and of course charge correspondingly more for Office... no wait, other way around, make Office free and charge big bucks for Windows. Nah, both ideas are bad. How about this? We clone Windoze and make it free and call it Lindows. That is pretty much guaranteed to fork them all up. On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 9:32 AM, Dan Waters wrote: > If you read the comments you'll find some knowledgeable people taking the > author to task. > > The one discussion point I do agree with is the amazingly high cost of the > Ultimate and Premium versions of Visual Studio. This would cause people to > find alternatives. > > Dan > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence > Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2013 11:17 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: [dba-Tech] Dot Net > > "...Is Microsoft falling behind the open-source and cloud world in offering > easy-to-deploy services and development environments? Is the world moving > beyond .NET?..." > > > http://www.zdnet.com/software-engineer-explains-why-he-swore-off-net-platfor > m-7000021038/ > > Jim From df.waters at comcast.net Mon Sep 30 11:08:21 2013 From: df.waters at comcast.net (Dan Waters) Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2013 11:08:21 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Dot Net In-Reply-To: <1402190470.17485350.1380552449376.JavaMail.root@cds002> References: <003e01cebde1$8392a480$8ab7ed80$@comcast.net> <1402190470.17485350.1380552449376.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: <007301cebdf7$494a7030$dbdf5090$@comcast.net> Hi Jim, >From Amazon: The Premium version is $2800. The Ultimate version is $11,820.13. In contrast, the Pro version is $500. But - the best way to get that is through a MAPS subscription. Here is a look at the differences: http://www.microsoft.com/visualstudio/eng/products/compare. Dan -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Monday, September 30, 2013 9:47 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Dot Net Hi Dan: The article was an opening for this discussion. It would be difficult for me to balance whether one development platform is better than another. There is still an express version of the .Net framework and if a the full version was required a client would of course be paying for it...directly or indirectly. The author of the point of view did not specifically state that the costs of the products were major impediment but that the suggested that the newer OSS development tools were more effective and more commonly used. The comments are always most interesting. ;-) How expensive are the Ultimate and Premium versions of Visual Studio? Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Waters" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Monday, September 30, 2013 6:32:30 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Dot Net If you read the comments you'll find some knowledgeable people taking the author to task. The one discussion point I do agree with is the amazingly high cost of the Ultimate and Premium versions of Visual Studio. This would cause people to find alternatives. Dan -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2013 11:17 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Dot Net "...Is Microsoft falling behind the open-source and cloud world in offering easy-to-deploy services and development environments? Is the world moving beyond .NET?..." http://www.zdnet.com/software-engineer-explains-why-he-swore-off-net-platfor m-7000021038/ Jim _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Mon Sep 30 12:10:32 2013 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2013 10:10:32 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Default Browser Mode in IE 10 Message-ID: <8E65B06CDCC0412E8A8985E53BD2A5F9@HAL9007> Dear List(s): I have to use IE for only one purpose - to remote connect to a client's site. I have IE10 but the way the network guy set up the remote access, it won't work in IE10 and I have to set the Browser Mode to IE9 every time I start IE10. Is there a setting in IE10 to set the default browser mode to IE9? MTIA Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.bchacc.com www.e-z-mrp.com Skype: rocky.smolin From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Sep 30 12:10:53 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2013 11:10:53 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] Dot Net In-Reply-To: <007301cebdf7$494a7030$dbdf5090$@comcast.net> Message-ID: <220552204.17676295.1380561053836.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi Dan: Thanks for the info. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Waters" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Monday, September 30, 2013 9:08:21 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Dot Net Hi Jim, >From Amazon: The Premium version is $2800. The Ultimate version is $11,820.13. In contrast, the Pro version is $500. But - the best way to get that is through a MAPS subscription. Here is a look at the differences: http://www.microsoft.com/visualstudio/eng/products/compare. Dan -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Monday, September 30, 2013 9:47 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Dot Net Hi Dan: The article was an opening for this discussion. It would be difficult for me to balance whether one development platform is better than another. There is still an express version of the .Net framework and if a the full version was required a client would of course be paying for it...directly or indirectly. The author of the point of view did not specifically state that the costs of the products were major impediment but that the suggested that the newer OSS development tools were more effective and more commonly used. The comments are always most interesting. ;-) How expensive are the Ultimate and Premium versions of Visual Studio? Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Waters" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Monday, September 30, 2013 6:32:30 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Dot Net If you read the comments you'll find some knowledgeable people taking the author to task. The one discussion point I do agree with is the amazingly high cost of the Ultimate and Premium versions of Visual Studio. This would cause people to find alternatives. Dan -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2013 11:17 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Dot Net "...Is Microsoft falling behind the open-source and cloud world in offering easy-to-deploy services and development environments? Is the world moving beyond .NET?..." http://www.zdnet.com/software-engineer-explains-why-he-swore-off-net-platfor m-7000021038/ Jim _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Sep 30 12:27:53 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2013 11:27:53 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] Default Browser Mode in IE 10 In-Reply-To: <8E65B06CDCC0412E8A8985E53BD2A5F9@HAL9007> Message-ID: <34297467.17699952.1380562073819.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi Rocky: You could use the RemoteDesktop product from Google. The price is right, brain-dead to install (no install at all if you can access Chrome) and it worked excellently. (I know as I use it to assist my Aunt. ;-)) https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/chrome-remote-desktop/gbchcmhmhahfdphkhkmpfmihenigjmpp?hl=en By the way what is the program that is currently being used for the RD? I do not think there is a way to reverse the upgrade. You will have to find a computer that still has IE9 installed and go from there. HTH Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rocky Smolin" To: "List" , "Off Topic" Sent: Monday, September 30, 2013 10:10:32 AM Subject: [dba-Tech] Default Browser Mode in IE 10 Dear List(s): I have to use IE for only one purpose - to remote connect to a client's site. I have IE10 but the way the network guy set up the remote access, it won't work in IE10 and I have to set the Browser Mode to IE9 every time I start IE10. Is there a setting in IE10 to set the default browser mode to IE9? MTIA Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.bchacc.com www.e-z-mrp.com Skype: rocky.smolin _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Mon Sep 30 12:40:18 2013 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2013 10:40:18 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Default Browser Mode in IE 10 In-Reply-To: <34297467.17699952.1380562073819.JavaMail.root@cds002> References: <8E65B06CDCC0412E8A8985E53BD2A5F9@HAL9007> <34297467.17699952.1380562073819.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: <7852C62E7D8744CABC278BEC0B66A28D@HAL9007> >From the poop on the web site it looks like remote assistant like the Windows thingy. But there's no one on the other side to give me an access code. I think I don't want to mess with that as I'd have to coordinate with the network guy. Prefer not to do that. R -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Monday, September 30, 2013 10:28 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Default Browser Mode in IE 10 Hi Rocky: You could use the RemoteDesktop product from Google. The price is right, brain-dead to install (no install at all if you can access Chrome) and it worked excellently. (I know as I use it to assist my Aunt. ;-)) https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/chrome-remote-desktop/gbchcmhmhahf dphkhkmpfmihenigjmpp?hl=en By the way what is the program that is currently being used for the RD? I do not think there is a way to reverse the upgrade. You will have to find a computer that still has IE9 installed and go from there. HTH Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rocky Smolin" To: "List" , "Off Topic" Sent: Monday, September 30, 2013 10:10:32 AM Subject: [dba-Tech] Default Browser Mode in IE 10 Dear List(s): I have to use IE for only one purpose - to remote connect to a client's site. I have IE10 but the way the network guy set up the remote access, it won't work in IE10 and I have to set the Browser Mode to IE9 every time I start IE10. Is there a setting in IE10 to set the default browser mode to IE9? MTIA Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.bchacc.com www.e-z-mrp.com Skype: rocky.smolin _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Sep 30 12:53:21 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2013 11:53:21 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] Default Browser Mode in IE 10 In-Reply-To: <7852C62E7D8744CABC278BEC0B66A28D@HAL9007> Message-ID: <615371189.17732097.1380563601321.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi Rocky: Doesn't Microsoft's Remote Desktop program run independently of IE? Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rocky Smolin" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Monday, September 30, 2013 10:40:18 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Default Browser Mode in IE 10 >From the poop on the web site it looks like remote assistant like the Windows thingy. But there's no one on the other side to give me an access code. I think I don't want to mess with that as I'd have to coordinate with the network guy. Prefer not to do that. R -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Monday, September 30, 2013 10:28 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Default Browser Mode in IE 10 Hi Rocky: You could use the RemoteDesktop product from Google. The price is right, brain-dead to install (no install at all if you can access Chrome) and it worked excellently. (I know as I use it to assist my Aunt. ;-)) https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/chrome-remote-desktop/gbchcmhmhahf dphkhkmpfmihenigjmpp?hl=en By the way what is the program that is currently being used for the RD? I do not think there is a way to reverse the upgrade. You will have to find a computer that still has IE9 installed and go from there. HTH Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rocky Smolin" To: "List" , "Off Topic" Sent: Monday, September 30, 2013 10:10:32 AM Subject: [dba-Tech] Default Browser Mode in IE 10 Dear List(s): I have to use IE for only one purpose - to remote connect to a client's site. I have IE10 but the way the network guy set up the remote access, it won't work in IE10 and I have to set the Browser Mode to IE9 every time I start IE10. Is there a setting in IE10 to set the default browser mode to IE9? MTIA Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.bchacc.com www.e-z-mrp.com Skype: rocky.smolin _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Mon Sep 30 13:22:41 2013 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2013 11:22:41 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Default Browser Mode in IE 10 In-Reply-To: <615371189.17732097.1380563601321.JavaMail.root@cds002> References: <7852C62E7D8744CABC278BEC0B66A28D@HAL9007> <615371189.17732097.1380563601321.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: <7958AEE1909F477D9621DE56186EAF2F@HAL9007> Yes, but it requires someone on the other end to accept your request to run their comp. IIRC. R -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Monday, September 30, 2013 10:53 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Default Browser Mode in IE 10 Hi Rocky: Doesn't Microsoft's Remote Desktop program run independently of IE? Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rocky Smolin" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Monday, September 30, 2013 10:40:18 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Default Browser Mode in IE 10 >From the poop on the web site it looks like remote assistant like the Windows thingy. But there's no one on the other side to give me an access code. I think I don't want to mess with that as I'd have to coordinate with the network guy. Prefer not to do that. R -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Monday, September 30, 2013 10:28 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Default Browser Mode in IE 10 Hi Rocky: You could use the RemoteDesktop product from Google. The price is right, brain-dead to install (no install at all if you can access Chrome) and it worked excellently. (I know as I use it to assist my Aunt. ;-)) https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/chrome-remote-desktop/gbchcmhmhahf dphkhkmpfmihenigjmpp?hl=en By the way what is the program that is currently being used for the RD? I do not think there is a way to reverse the upgrade. You will have to find a computer that still has IE9 installed and go from there. HTH Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rocky Smolin" To: "List" , "Off Topic" Sent: Monday, September 30, 2013 10:10:32 AM Subject: [dba-Tech] Default Browser Mode in IE 10 Dear List(s): I have to use IE for only one purpose - to remote connect to a client's site. I have IE10 but the way the network guy set up the remote access, it won't work in IE10 and I have to set the Browser Mode to IE9 every time I start IE10. Is there a setting in IE10 to set the default browser mode to IE9? MTIA Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.bchacc.com www.e-z-mrp.com Skype: rocky.smolin _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Sep 30 13:47:07 2013 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2013 12:47:07 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] Default Browser Mode in IE 10 In-Reply-To: <7958AEE1909F477D9621DE56186EAF2F@HAL9007> Message-ID: <895194095.17797663.1380566827279.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi Rocky: I usually have at least two and sometimes three ways into a client's site. ;-) How does this IE9 thingy work anyways that has no credentials or requires no remote user intervention...is it just the ancient dev protocol from IE6 (pseudo FTP). There are some apps out there that can emulate that protocol. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rocky Smolin" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Monday, September 30, 2013 11:22:41 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Default Browser Mode in IE 10 Yes, but it requires someone on the other end to accept your request to run their comp. IIRC. R -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Monday, September 30, 2013 10:53 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Default Browser Mode in IE 10 Hi Rocky: Doesn't Microsoft's Remote Desktop program run independently of IE? Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rocky Smolin" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Monday, September 30, 2013 10:40:18 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Default Browser Mode in IE 10 >From the poop on the web site it looks like remote assistant like the Windows thingy. But there's no one on the other side to give me an access code. I think I don't want to mess with that as I'd have to coordinate with the network guy. Prefer not to do that. R -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Monday, September 30, 2013 10:28 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Default Browser Mode in IE 10 Hi Rocky: You could use the RemoteDesktop product from Google. The price is right, brain-dead to install (no install at all if you can access Chrome) and it worked excellently. (I know as I use it to assist my Aunt. ;-)) https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/chrome-remote-desktop/gbchcmhmhahf dphkhkmpfmihenigjmpp?hl=en By the way what is the program that is currently being used for the RD? I do not think there is a way to reverse the upgrade. You will have to find a computer that still has IE9 installed and go from there. HTH Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rocky Smolin" To: "List" , "Off Topic" Sent: Monday, September 30, 2013 10:10:32 AM Subject: [dba-Tech] Default Browser Mode in IE 10 Dear List(s): I have to use IE for only one purpose - to remote connect to a client's site. I have IE10 but the way the network guy set up the remote access, it won't work in IE10 and I have to set the Browser Mode to IE9 every time I start IE10. Is there a setting in IE10 to set the default browser mode to IE9? MTIA Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.bchacc.com www.e-z-mrp.com Skype: rocky.smolin _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Mon Sep 30 14:15:07 2013 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2013 12:15:07 -0700 Subject: [dba-Tech] Default Browser Mode in IE 10 In-Reply-To: <895194095.17797663.1380566827279.JavaMail.root@cds002> References: <7958AEE1909F477D9621DE56186EAF2F@HAL9007> <895194095.17797663.1380566827279.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: <5E383441419146509FB47AEBC0B3810B@HAL9007> Tell you the truth, I have no earthly idea. The URL is http://remote.arensgroup.com/, I click on Remote Web Workplace, log in to remote web workplace with my username and password, Click 'Connect to my computer at work', select from the list of computers, then I'm in the remote computer and do my windows log in. What do you think? R -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Monday, September 30, 2013 11:47 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Default Browser Mode in IE 10 Hi Rocky: I usually have at least two and sometimes three ways into a client's site. ;-) How does this IE9 thingy work anyways that has no credentials or requires no remote user intervention...is it just the ancient dev protocol from IE6 (pseudo FTP). There are some apps out there that can emulate that protocol. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rocky Smolin" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Monday, September 30, 2013 11:22:41 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Default Browser Mode in IE 10 Yes, but it requires someone on the other end to accept your request to run their comp. IIRC. R -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Monday, September 30, 2013 10:53 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Default Browser Mode in IE 10 Hi Rocky: Doesn't Microsoft's Remote Desktop program run independently of IE? Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rocky Smolin" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Monday, September 30, 2013 10:40:18 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Default Browser Mode in IE 10 >From the poop on the web site it looks like remote assistant like the Windows thingy. But there's no one on the other side to give me an access code. I think I don't want to mess with that as I'd have to coordinate with the network guy. Prefer not to do that. R -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Monday, September 30, 2013 10:28 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Default Browser Mode in IE 10 Hi Rocky: You could use the RemoteDesktop product from Google. The price is right, brain-dead to install (no install at all if you can access Chrome) and it worked excellently. (I know as I use it to assist my Aunt. ;-)) https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/chrome-remote-desktop/gbchcmhmhahf dphkhkmpfmihenigjmpp?hl=en By the way what is the program that is currently being used for the RD? I do not think there is a way to reverse the upgrade. You will have to find a computer that still has IE9 installed and go from there. HTH Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rocky Smolin" To: "List" , "Off Topic" Sent: Monday, September 30, 2013 10:10:32 AM Subject: [dba-Tech] Default Browser Mode in IE 10 Dear List(s): I have to use IE for only one purpose - to remote connect to a client's site. I have IE10 but the way the network guy set up the remote access, it won't work in IE10 and I have to set the Browser Mode to IE9 every time I start IE10. Is there a setting in IE10 to set the default browser mode to IE9? MTIA Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.bchacc.com www.e-z-mrp.com Skype: rocky.smolin _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com