From accessd at shaw.ca Sun Aug 3 04:07:39 2014 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2014 03:07:39 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] Waterfox In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1673783655.43692532.1407056859026.JavaMail.root@cds018> Hi Guys: Just saw these posts...so I am a little late to the conversation. According to what I read it is supposed to be not just be a 32 bit upgrade like many apps are but a full 64 bit balanced multi(hyper)-threaded re-write with better secure sand-boxing, It is supposed to be closer to an OS than just a browser. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Breen" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 5:24:33 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Waterfox Hi Arthur thanks for the reply, on this page, I see 64 Bit linux which I will install tonight on my Ubuntu machines, but I do not see a Windows Version. I see loads of links to other sites for 64 Bit firefox but did not find one yet on the main mozilla site. Can the 64 bit aspect really make a difference to loading 6 pages? Unless it is doing parallel processing I can hardly see how it would make a significant difference given the comparatively glacially slow broadband speeds vs processor speeds. Sorry to say, I am politely doubting the performance benefits. On 24 July 2014 10:30, Arthur Fuller wrote: > Mark, > > First off, Waterfox *is* Firefox, same dev team etc. The only difference, > aside from the slightly different logo, is the 64-bit implementation. > > I suspect that the bit you quoted is out of date, because it certainly > appears that Waterfox is now an official release. > > My FF and now WF setup loads a half-dozen pages on startup, and there the > difference in load time is noticeable even to a human -- no need for > sub-second benchmarks here. > > Regarding the name, it took me a while to "get" it. Perhaps soon we'll see > releases called Earthfox and Airfox. > > A. > > > On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 5:20 AM, Mark Breen wrote: > > > Hello Arthur, > > > > From the FF Site, I took this > > > > > > *Mozilla does not release a 64-bit version of Firefox except for testing. > > The "Nightly" release is intended only for testers and is not recommended > > for day-to-day use. I guess not enough advantage has been demonstrated to > > support a 64-bit release for regular use.* > > What do the Waterfox guys know that FF does not ? > > What would 64 bit give us, if we are only loading simple or even complex > > pages, > > IOW, how can we as browser users consume 64 bits in my browser? > > Finally, how might 64 bits make it faster ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 23 July 2014 10:04, Arthur Fuller wrote: > > > > > For those who might be interested, there is a 64-bit version of > Firefox, > > > that is called Waterfox. It's identical to Firefox with the exception > of > > > speed. Since virtually all computers are 64-bit these days, I suggest > > that > > > all Firefox users download Waterfox. > > > > > > I guess that someday soon we'll see Earthfox and Airfox. > > > > > > -- > > > Arthur > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > -- > Arthur > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Sun Aug 3 07:06:17 2014 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2014 22:06:17 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Waterfox In-Reply-To: <1673783655.43692532.1407056859026.JavaMail.root@cds018> References: , <1673783655.43692532.1407056859026.JavaMail.root@cds018> Message-ID: <53DE25B9.8913.98151CD2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> So why do I need (or want) another OS just to view a web page? On 3 Aug 2014 at 3:07, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Hi Guys: > > Just saw these posts...so I am a little late to the conversation. > According to what I read it is supposed to be not just be a 32 bit > upgrade like many apps are but a full 64 bit balanced > multi(hyper)-threaded re-write with better secure sand-boxing, It is > supposed to be closer to an OS than just a browser. > > Jim > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Breen" > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 5:24:33 > AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Waterfox > > Hi Arthur > > thanks for the reply, > > on this page, I see 64 Bit > linux which I will install tonight on my Ubuntu machines, but I do not > see a Windows Version. > > I see loads of links to other sites for 64 Bit firefox but did not > find one yet on the main mozilla site. > > Can the 64 bit aspect really make a difference to loading 6 pages? > Unless it is doing parallel processing I can hardly see how it would > make a significant difference given the comparatively glacially slow > broadband speeds vs processor speeds. > > Sorry to say, I am politely doubting the performance benefits. > > > > > On 24 July 2014 10:30, Arthur Fuller wrote: > > > Mark, > > > > First off, Waterfox *is* Firefox, same dev team etc. The only > > difference, aside from the slightly different logo, is the 64-bit > > implementation. > > > > I suspect that the bit you quoted is out of date, because it > > certainly appears that Waterfox is now an official release. > > > > My FF and now WF setup loads a half-dozen pages on startup, and > > there the difference in load time is noticeable even to a human -- > > no need for sub-second benchmarks here. > > > > Regarding the name, it took me a while to "get" it. Perhaps soon > > we'll see releases called Earthfox and Airfox. > > > > A. > > > > > > On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 5:20 AM, Mark Breen > > wrote: > > > > > Hello Arthur, > > > > > > From the FF Site, I took this > > > > > > > > > *Mozilla does not release a 64-bit version of Firefox except for > > > testing. The "Nightly" release is intended only for testers and is > > > not recommended for day-to-day use. I guess not enough advantage > > > has been demonstrated to support a 64-bit release for regular > > > use.* What do the Waterfox guys know that FF does not ? What would > > > 64 bit give us, if we are only loading simple or even complex > > > pages, IOW, how can we as browser users consume 64 bits in my > > > browser? Finally, how might 64 bits make it faster ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 23 July 2014 10:04, Arthur Fuller > > > wrote: > > > > > > > For those who might be interested, there is a 64-bit version of > > Firefox, > > > > that is called Waterfox. It's identical to Firefox with the > > > > exception > > of > > > > speed. Since virtually all computers are 64-bit these days, I > > > > suggest > > > that > > > > all Firefox users download Waterfox. > > > > > > > > I guess that someday soon we'll see Earthfox and Airfox. > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Arthur > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Arthur > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From accessd at shaw.ca Sun Aug 3 21:04:09 2014 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2014 20:04:09 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] A new mail server Zarafa In-Reply-To: <1401298764.785161493@f426.i.mail.ru> Message-ID: <1727655273.44006111.1407117849829.JavaMail.root@cds018> Hi All: I have not heard of this Zarafa mail server before but it is being totted as the Microsoft Exchange server replacement. The client is free but the online hosting is 16 euros per user but there are discounts for systems hosting many users. You can check it out here with an online demo: http://linux.about.com/gi/o.htm?zi=1/XJ&zTi=1&sdn=linux&cdn=compute&tm=29&f=00&su=p284.13.342.ip_&tt=65&bt=1&bts=0&zu=http%3A//www.zarafaserver.com/ Jim From gustav at cactus.dk Mon Aug 4 10:00:11 2014 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2014 15:00:11 +0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Combined mouse and numeric keyboard Message-ID: Hi all I believe I recently read about such a unit - a numeric ten-key keyboard doubling as a mouse. On Amazon I can find this, iOne Scorpius-N4: http://www.amazon.com/dp/B000RXWGFM/ref=asc_df_B000RXWGFM3256057?smid=A1YG1VZVF48PM9&tag=shopzilla0d-20&ascsubtag=shopzilla_rev_360-20;14071632510411028570810040301008005&linkCode=df0&creative=395129&creativeASIN=B000RXWGFM but I think, it is different from the model I read about. Anyone having seen something similar? /gustav From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Aug 4 11:55:41 2014 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2014 10:55:41 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] Waterfox In-Reply-To: <53DE25B9.8913.98151CD2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <1697796220.44287788.1407171341987.JavaMail.root@cds018> Maybe you don't or for that matter neither do I but that said the market trends toward mobile devices, wifi routers and Cloud computing is growing in leaps and bounds and usefulness for Browser type OSs are growing right along with it. Microsoft, Google and Apple are cashing in on this trend, big time. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stuart McLachlan" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Sunday, August 3, 2014 5:06:17 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Waterfox So why do I need (or want) another OS just to view a web page? On 3 Aug 2014 at 3:07, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Hi Guys: > > Just saw these posts...so I am a little late to the conversation. > According to what I read it is supposed to be not just be a 32 bit > upgrade like many apps are but a full 64 bit balanced > multi(hyper)-threaded re-write with better secure sand-boxing, It is > supposed to be closer to an OS than just a browser. > > Jim > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Breen" > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 5:24:33 > AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Waterfox > > Hi Arthur > > thanks for the reply, > > on this page, I see 64 Bit > linux which I will install tonight on my Ubuntu machines, but I do not > see a Windows Version. > > I see loads of links to other sites for 64 Bit firefox but did not > find one yet on the main mozilla site. > > Can the 64 bit aspect really make a difference to loading 6 pages? > Unless it is doing parallel processing I can hardly see how it would > make a significant difference given the comparatively glacially slow > broadband speeds vs processor speeds. > > Sorry to say, I am politely doubting the performance benefits. > > > > > On 24 July 2014 10:30, Arthur Fuller wrote: > > > Mark, > > > > First off, Waterfox *is* Firefox, same dev team etc. The only > > difference, aside from the slightly different logo, is the 64-bit > > implementation. > > > > I suspect that the bit you quoted is out of date, because it > > certainly appears that Waterfox is now an official release. > > > > My FF and now WF setup loads a half-dozen pages on startup, and > > there the difference in load time is noticeable even to a human -- > > no need for sub-second benchmarks here. > > > > Regarding the name, it took me a while to "get" it. Perhaps soon > > we'll see releases called Earthfox and Airfox. > > > > A. > > > > > > On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 5:20 AM, Mark Breen > > wrote: > > > > > Hello Arthur, > > > > > > From the FF Site, I took this > > > > > > > > > *Mozilla does not release a 64-bit version of Firefox except for > > > testing. The "Nightly" release is intended only for testers and is > > > not recommended for day-to-day use. I guess not enough advantage > > > has been demonstrated to support a 64-bit release for regular > > > use.* What do the Waterfox guys know that FF does not ? What would > > > 64 bit give us, if we are only loading simple or even complex > > > pages, IOW, how can we as browser users consume 64 bits in my > > > browser? Finally, how might 64 bits make it faster ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 23 July 2014 10:04, Arthur Fuller > > > wrote: > > > > > > > For those who might be interested, there is a 64-bit version of > > Firefox, > > > > that is called Waterfox. It's identical to Firefox with the > > > > exception > > of > > > > speed. Since virtually all computers are 64-bit these days, I > > > > suggest > > > that > > > > all Firefox users download Waterfox. > > > > > > > > I guess that someday soon we'll see Earthfox and Airfox. > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Arthur > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Arthur > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Aug 4 13:48:41 2014 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2014 12:48:41 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] Combined mouse and numeric keyboard In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1923759086.44360359.1407178121318.JavaMail.root@cds018> Hi Gustav: If you are an accountant that could sure be useful. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gustav Brock" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Monday, August 4, 2014 8:00:11 AM Subject: [dba-Tech] Combined mouse and numeric keyboard Hi all I believe I recently read about such a unit - a numeric ten-key keyboard doubling as a mouse. On Amazon I can find this, iOne Scorpius-N4: http://www.amazon.com/dp/B000RXWGFM/ref=asc_df_B000RXWGFM3256057?smid=A1YG1VZVF48PM9&tag=shopzilla0d-20&ascsubtag=shopzilla_rev_360-20;14071632510411028570810040301008005&linkCode=df0&creative=395129&creativeASIN=B000RXWGFM but I think, it is different from the model I read about. Anyone having seen something similar? /gustav _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Mon Aug 4 17:36:42 2014 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2014 08:36:42 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Combined mouse and numeric keyboard In-Reply-To: <1923759086.44360359.1407178121318.JavaMail.root@cds018> References: , <1923759086.44360359.1407178121318.JavaMail.root@cds018> Message-ID: <53E00AFA.24738.9F7C8442@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> First page on google for numeric keypad mouse gave these as well as your one: http://www.cnet.com/products/3m-optical-mouse-with-numeric-keypad-lx451-mouse-series/ http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/06/canons-x-mark-i-mouse-triples-as-calculator-numeric-k eypad-fa/ http://www.qvc.com/Canon-Bluetooth-Slim-Mouse-and-Calculator-with-Numeric-Keypad-and- Carry-Case.product.E222556.html On 4 Aug 2014 at 12:48, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Hi Gustav: > > If you are an accountant that could sure be useful. > > Jim > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gustav Brock" > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > Sent: Monday, August 4, 2014 8:00:11 > AM Subject: [dba-Tech] Combined mouse and numeric keyboard > > Hi all > > I believe I recently read about such a unit - a numeric ten-key > keyboard doubling as a mouse. On Amazon I can find this, iOne > Scorpius-N4: > > http://www.amazon.com/dp/B000RXWGFM/ref=asc_df_B000RXWGFM3256057?smid= > A1YG1VZVF48PM9&tag=shopzilla0d-20&ascsubtag=shopzilla_rev_360-20;14071 > 632510411028570810040301008005&linkCode=df0&creative=395129&creativeAS > IN=B000RXWGFM > > but I think, it is different from the model I read about. > Anyone having seen something similar? > > /gustav > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From gustav at cactus.dk Tue Aug 5 04:48:54 2014 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2014 09:48:54 +0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Combined mouse and numeric keyboard Message-ID: <8739446589dc48ddb6b4972d50321843@AMSPR06MB357.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com> Hi Stuart Thanks! It wasn't the Canon model because it triples as a calculator. Also, the reviews claim it doesn't fit neither 64-bit systems nor Windows 8 (which may be why it is being sold out). The 3M model seems to be an Australian product, at least it is not offered here by 3M. But by using your search sentence, I found the model: http://www.sandberg.it/product/2in1-Numeric-Mouse Don't know why that should be so difficult. /gustav -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Stuart McLachlan Sendt: 5. august 2014 00:37 Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Combined mouse and numeric keyboard First page on google for numeric keypad mouse gave these as well as your one: http://www.cnet.com/products/3m-optical-mouse-with-numeric-keypad-lx451-mouse-series/ http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/06/canons-x-mark-i-mouse-triples-as-calculator-numeric-k eypad-fa/ http://www.qvc.com/Canon-Bluetooth-Slim-Mouse-and-Calculator-with-Numeric-Keypad-and- Carry-Case.product.E222556.html On 4 Aug 2014 at 12:48, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Hi Gustav: > > If you are an accountant that could sure be useful. > > Jim > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gustav Brock" > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > Sent: Monday, August 4, 2014 8:00:11 > AM Subject: [dba-Tech] Combined mouse and numeric keyboard > > Hi all > > I believe I recently read about such a unit - a numeric ten-key > keyboard doubling as a mouse. On Amazon I can find this, iOne > Scorpius-N4: > > http://www.amazon.com/dp/B000RXWGFM/ref=asc_df_B000RXWGFM3256057?smid= > A1YG1VZVF48PM9&tag=shopzilla0d-20&ascsubtag=shopzilla_rev_360-20;14071 > 632510411028570810040301008005&linkCode=df0&creative=395129&creativeAS > IN=B000RXWGFM > > but I think, it is different from the model I read about. > Anyone having seen something similar? > > /gustav From fuller.artful at gmail.com Tue Aug 5 08:32:21 2014 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2014 09:32:21 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Researchers: Avoid Using USB/Thumb Drives Message-ID: Infopackets has an article whose subject is the above. http://www.infopackets.com/news/9313/researchers-avoid-using-usb-flash-drives -- Arthur From accessd at shaw.ca Tue Aug 5 12:56:36 2014 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2014 11:56:36 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] OwnCloud version 7 is now out In-Reply-To: <1401298764.785161493@f426.i.mail.ru> Message-ID: <1406663324.44971179.1407261396513.JavaMail.root@cds018> Hi All: OwnCloud 7 is now out. This is the package that allows anyone to create, manage and control their own Cloud services and seamlessly manage a company's or personal data. As a depository all applications can be managed between any clients given the level of access and privileges within directories or directory structures. In this way all clients can be kept fully synced depending on their needs and rights. Unlike a public or third-party Cloud the information can be kept completely secured. http://imgur.com/XJeXutn The big feature that OwnCloud 7 has is the ability to securely synchronize data between OwnCloud servers. This is great if you have multiple server instances through out a company of have other companies collaborating. Of course the access between servers can be completely controlled at any granular level needed. Server to server sharing ownCloud 7 introduces server to server sharing ? allowing you to mount a share from another ownCloud instance and seamlessly collaborate on and share files from within your own ownCloud ? essentially combining private clouds into a public cloud. You can even have the folder locally synced through the client. No need to create user accounts on your or the other instance ? just, once, add the shared folder into your ownCloud http://owncloud.org/seven https://owncloud.org/blog/owncloud-7-sneak-peek-improved-sharing The only possible downside is that the ownCloud server only run on a 64bit Linux server but maybe a virtual or container can be run up on a Windows server and of course there is a DigitalOcean droplet available with ownCloud. Here is a link to a tutorial on how to set up a Ubuntu 14.04 instance: https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-install-owncloud-and-configure-owncloud-apps-on-an-ubuntu-12-04-vps Right now there is a collaborative document app that allows users to collectively work on text and MS word documents and, according to one of the forums, eventually there may be a full Office suite but this development may be in conjunction with the LibraOffice foundation. There is of course already Calendars, RSS feeds, picture galleries, contact lists and even external data storage encryption. There is also a full set of third-party plug-in apps available, from business to games: http://owncloud.org/features Note: If a full enterprise solution with all the support is required there is such a version. This version is of course not free but it is very full featured with full server controls and real-time monitoring functionality built in. Jim From accessd at shaw.ca Tue Aug 5 13:04:18 2014 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2014 12:04:18 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] Researchers: Avoid Using USB/Thumb Drives In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1529708618.44977549.1407261858268.JavaMail.root@cds018> Hi Arthur: Thanks for that link. Just a thought on the article, as a USB drive can be configured as a fully bootable OS, such issues are always possible. If concerned about the integrity of a thumb drive a full re-format is an option. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arthur Fuller" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Tuesday, 5 August, 2014 6:32:21 AM Subject: [dba-Tech] Researchers: Avoid Using USB/Thumb Drives Infopackets has an article whose subject is the above. http://www.infopackets.com/news/9313/researchers-avoid-using-usb-flash-drives -- Arthur _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Tue Aug 5 13:19:14 2014 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2014 12:19:14 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] Podcasts In-Reply-To: <1bb5ea894f294d0e8d6f35e905eb94b1@AM3PR06MB305.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com> Message-ID: <1494310152.44989865.1407262754061.JavaMail.root@cds018> If you are an avid Podcast listener and a computer geek, here is a list of Podcasts that may have sometime for you. http://www.techrepublic.com/article/10-podcasts-for-programmers-and-budding-developers/#ftag=RSS56d97e7 Jim From Lambert.Heenan at aig.com Tue Aug 5 15:25:41 2014 From: Lambert.Heenan at aig.com (Heenan, Lambert) Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2014 20:25:41 +0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Researchers: Avoid Using USB/Thumb Drives In-Reply-To: <1529708618.44977549.1407261858268.JavaMail.root@cds018> References: <1529708618.44977549.1407261858268.JavaMail.root@cds018> Message-ID: But formatting will do nothing to the firmware in the USB drive, and that is the potential source of risk that was discussed. Lambert -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2014 2:04 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Researchers: Avoid Using USB/Thumb Drives Hi Arthur: Thanks for that link. Just a thought on the article, as a USB drive can be configured as a fully bootable OS, such issues are always possible. If concerned about the integrity of a thumb drive a full re-format is an option. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arthur Fuller" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Tuesday, 5 August, 2014 6:32:21 AM Subject: [dba-Tech] Researchers: Avoid Using USB/Thumb Drives Infopackets has an article whose subject is the above. http://www.infopackets.com/news/9313/researchers-avoid-using-usb-flash-drives -- Arthur _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Tue Aug 5 15:55:11 2014 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2014 14:55:11 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] Researchers: Avoid Using USB/Thumb Drives In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1717934793.45098957.1407272111120.JavaMail.root@cds018> Well, how do you access the USB's firmware? Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lambert Heenan" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Tuesday, August 5, 2014 1:25:41 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Researchers: Avoid Using USB/Thumb Drives But formatting will do nothing to the firmware in the USB drive, and that is the potential source of risk that was discussed. Lambert -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2014 2:04 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Researchers: Avoid Using USB/Thumb Drives Hi Arthur: Thanks for that link. Just a thought on the article, as a USB drive can be configured as a fully bootable OS, such issues are always possible. If concerned about the integrity of a thumb drive a full re-format is an option. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arthur Fuller" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Tuesday, 5 August, 2014 6:32:21 AM Subject: [dba-Tech] Researchers: Avoid Using USB/Thumb Drives Infopackets has an article whose subject is the above. http://www.infopackets.com/news/9313/researchers-avoid-using-usb-flash-drives -- Arthur _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Lambert.Heenan at aig.com Tue Aug 5 16:09:01 2014 From: Lambert.Heenan at aig.com (Heenan, Lambert) Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2014 21:09:01 +0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Researchers: Avoid Using USB/Thumb Drives In-Reply-To: <1717934793.45098957.1407272111120.JavaMail.root@cds018> References: <1717934793.45098957.1407272111120.JavaMail.root@cds018> Message-ID: Firmware is 'firm' because it is difficult to access. The hardware manufacturer can get at it, but not usually us chickens on the outside. From time to time I update the firmware on my digital camera, but that's using software provided by the manufacturer. Some time ago some genius hackers figure out how to get at and replace the firmware on LinkSys wireless routers (WRT54G) http://lifehacker.com/178132/hack-attack-turn-your-60-router-into-a-600-router, http://www.wi-fiplanet.com/tutorials/article.php/3562391, but that's way beyond me. Lambert -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2014 4:55 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Researchers: Avoid Using USB/Thumb Drives Well, how do you access the USB's firmware? Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lambert Heenan" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Tuesday, August 5, 2014 1:25:41 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Researchers: Avoid Using USB/Thumb Drives But formatting will do nothing to the firmware in the USB drive, and that is the potential source of risk that was discussed. Lambert -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2014 2:04 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Researchers: Avoid Using USB/Thumb Drives Hi Arthur: Thanks for that link. Just a thought on the article, as a USB drive can be configured as a fully bootable OS, such issues are always possible. If concerned about the integrity of a thumb drive a full re-format is an option. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arthur Fuller" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Tuesday, 5 August, 2014 6:32:21 AM Subject: [dba-Tech] Researchers: Avoid Using USB/Thumb Drives Infopackets has an article whose subject is the above. http://www.infopackets.com/news/9313/researchers-avoid-using-usb-flash-drives -- Arthur _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Tue Aug 5 17:10:58 2014 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2014 16:10:58 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] Researchers: Avoid Using USB/Thumb Drives In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <755472943.45158013.1407276658403.JavaMail.root@cds018> Hi Lambert: While we are on the subject, as you pointed out, there are some great router replacement software, OS packages out there, which add superior security, reliability and functionality. Many of our most commonly purchased routers are really unstable and totally insecure pieces of junk...according to an article I read from developers who are in the know. Too bad my current router is not patchable or compatible but friends have totted their router triumphs. I have not looked but maybe there is an OSS firmware package, somewhere on the web, which is designed to refresh a USB drive. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lambert Heenan" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Tuesday, August 5, 2014 2:09:01 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Researchers: Avoid Using USB/Thumb Drives Firmware is 'firm' because it is difficult to access. The hardware manufacturer can get at it, but not usually us chickens on the outside. From time to time I update the firmware on my digital camera, but that's using software provided by the manufacturer. Some time ago some genius hackers figure out how to get at and replace the firmware on LinkSys wireless routers (WRT54G) http://lifehacker.com/178132/hack-attack-turn-your-60-router-into-a-600-router, http://www.wi-fiplanet.com/tutorials/article.php/3562391, but that's way beyond me. Lambert -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2014 4:55 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Researchers: Avoid Using USB/Thumb Drives Well, how do you access the USB's firmware? Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lambert Heenan" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Tuesday, August 5, 2014 1:25:41 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Researchers: Avoid Using USB/Thumb Drives But formatting will do nothing to the firmware in the USB drive, and that is the potential source of risk that was discussed. Lambert -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2014 2:04 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Researchers: Avoid Using USB/Thumb Drives Hi Arthur: Thanks for that link. Just a thought on the article, as a USB drive can be configured as a fully bootable OS, such issues are always possible. If concerned about the integrity of a thumb drive a full re-format is an option. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arthur Fuller" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Tuesday, 5 August, 2014 6:32:21 AM Subject: [dba-Tech] Researchers: Avoid Using USB/Thumb Drives Infopackets has an article whose subject is the above. http://www.infopackets.com/news/9313/researchers-avoid-using-usb-flash-drives -- Arthur _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Wed Aug 6 14:14:33 2014 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2014 15:14:33 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Chrome 64-bit Message-ID: Not to be outdone by Mozilla, Google has released its Chrome 64-bit beta, publicly available. -- Arthur From accessd at shaw.ca Wed Aug 6 16:13:24 2014 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2014 15:13:24 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] Linux training In-Reply-To: <1401298764.785161493@f426.i.mail.ru> Message-ID: <197992667.45883638.1407359604447.JavaMail.root@cds018> Hi all: Given that Linux powers 94% of the world?s supercomputers, most of the servers powering the Internet, the majority of financial trades worldwide and a billion Android devices. Nine out of ten large businesses are looking for Linux support people. If you are in the computer business and unless you have captured some secure niche, Linux will become a major portion of your career. To that end the much totted Linux training course has started as of August the first. The course was originally $2,400 but it is now free. Linus Torvalds will be giving the introductions. Jerry Cooperstein, a PhD in nuclear astrophysics and Linux guru will be teaching the course. To take the course and/or to find out more check out the following link: https://www.edx.org/course/linuxfoundationx/linuxfoundationx-lfs101x-introduction-1621#.U-KWt-NdVNa Jim From accessd at shaw.ca Fri Aug 8 21:02:55 2014 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2014 20:02:55 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] Parallel processing In-Reply-To: <197992667.45883638.1407359604447.JavaMail.root@cds018> Message-ID: <1896507236.47567831.1407549775976.JavaMail.root@cds018> Intel is giving away their parallel design suite. The suite supports a small number of languages, Fortran, C and C++ but the IDE supports all the major world spoken languages. https://makebettercode.com/cbsi/cluster_parallel/?language=english&utm_source=CBSi+-+DR+Bypass+-+ZDNet/Tech+Republic+Directory+Text+Links&utm_medium=Link&utm_content=Parallel+Studio+XE+2013SP1&utm_campaign=2013_Intel_DPD The IDE runs on both Windows and Linux. Jim From accessd at shaw.ca Sat Aug 16 16:16:41 2014 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2014 15:16:41 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] Hide your passords. In-Reply-To: <1896507236.47567831.1407549775976.JavaMail.root@cds018> Message-ID: <1862491112.52966990.1408223801933.JavaMail.root@cds018> Here is a neat little program called steghide. What is does is allow you to hide some information within images and audio files. It is great for us who lack the photographic memory needed to remember complex passwords. With this program you can store important data relatively safely, at your clients or customers sites or on your computer as a backup and not have to worry about someone stealing passwords via a cursory look over the system. The password is really stored in plain sight. For down loading the application: http://steghide.sourceforge.net ...and for adding a nice gui check out the following: http://sourceforge.net/projects/steghideui You can still view and listen to the files that have the data attached. Don't worry no programs can be run from this storage method. The program is supported on both Windows and Linux. Jim From gustav at cactus.dk Tue Aug 19 06:57:43 2014 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2014 11:57:43 +0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Combined mouse and numeric keyboard Message-ID: Hi all The Sandberg model is out of production, so I was left with the iOne model which I finally tracked down to this official (European) site: http://shop.ione-europe.com/product_info.php?products_id=5 This model is wireless. Quite handy. /gustav -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Gustav Brock Sendt: 5. august 2014 11:49 Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Combined mouse and numeric keyboard Hi Stuart Thanks! It wasn't the Canon model because it triples as a calculator. Also, the reviews claim it doesn't fit neither 64-bit systems nor Windows 8 (which may be why it is being sold out). The 3M model seems to be an Australian product, at least it is not offered here by 3M. But by using your search sentence, I found the model: http://www.sandberg.it/product/2in1-Numeric-Mouse Don't know why that should be so difficult. /gustav -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Stuart McLachlan Sendt: 5. august 2014 00:37 Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Combined mouse and numeric keyboard First page on google for numeric keypad mouse gave these as well as your one: http://www.cnet.com/products/3m-optical-mouse-with-numeric-keypad-lx451-mouse-series/ http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/06/canons-x-mark-i-mouse-triples-as-calculator-numeric-k eypad-fa/ http://www.qvc.com/Canon-Bluetooth-Slim-Mouse-and-Calculator-with-Numeric-Keypad-and- Carry-Case.product.E222556.html On 4 Aug 2014 at 12:48, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Hi Gustav: > > If you are an accountant that could sure be useful. > > Jim > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gustav Brock" > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > Sent: Monday, August 4, 2014 8:00:11 > AM Subject: [dba-Tech] Combined mouse and numeric keyboard > > Hi all > > I believe I recently read about such a unit - a numeric ten-key > keyboard doubling as a mouse. On Amazon I can find this, iOne > Scorpius-N4: > > http://www.amazon.com/dp/B000RXWGFM/ref=asc_df_B000RXWGFM3256057?smid= > A1YG1VZVF48PM9&tag=shopzilla0d-20&ascsubtag=shopzilla_rev_360-20;14071 > 632510411028570810040301008005&linkCode=df0&creative=395129&creativeAS > IN=B000RXWGFM > > but I think, it is different from the model I read about. > Anyone having seen something similar? > > /gustav From accessd at shaw.ca Tue Aug 19 13:18:46 2014 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2014 12:18:46 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] How to revive an XP POS PC In-Reply-To: <1862491112.52966990.1408223801933.JavaMail.root@cds018> Message-ID: <1705196215.54845978.1408472326091.JavaMail.root@cds018> After all the XP OS Point-of-Sale systems, have been decommissioned, there has been a real glut of under powered PCs with old touch screens on the market...either for free or very cheap. These PC are too weak to run Windows 7 but there are alternatives that can breathe new life into these boxes. Aside: Against the popular opinion that says PC sales are down because of the alternatives, it seems that the main reason that PC sales are down is because the products are built good enough that they last for many years...ten to fifteen years is not unusual. First you can install the latest Ubuntu or Xubuntu 14.04 (Xubuntu is supposed to have a lighter foot print than Ubuntu...but for any computer that has been able to run XP, it is almost irrelevant, but if space is really tight try the XFCE desktop manager) on the box and then install the appropriate drivers and you will end up with a Linux box with a touch screen. The following link will tell you how to accomplish this. http://www.alandmoore.com/blog/2014/07/11/friday-fun-linux-on-an-old-point-of-sale Finally, with a little bit of software like Wine or DosBox and then the POS is back up and running again...and the client is happy because they have not dropped two grand a box, in software and hardware and they will enjoy a nice speed increase as well. Jim From fuller.artful at gmail.com Thu Aug 21 03:08:01 2014 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2014 04:08:01 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] How to revive an XP POS PC In-Reply-To: <1705196215.54845978.1408472326091.JavaMail.root@cds018> References: <1862491112.52966990.1408223801933.JavaMail.root@cds018> <1705196215.54845978.1408472326091.JavaMail.root@cds018> Message-ID: Good advice in general, Jim. Just one question: who spends $2k on a PC these days? I bought a pretty serious laptop (Dell, with 8GB RAM and 1TB hard disk) for $750 and that was almost a year back, so the same machine should cost less now. I plugged in an old 22" monitor so it now has two screens when it's at home, which is almost always. When I go out, I take the Acer Iconia, which is also more than a year old but back when it was new it was slightly more than $200. Arthur ? From jon.tydda at lonza.com Thu Aug 21 03:29:11 2014 From: jon.tydda at lonza.com (Tydda Jon - Lonza Slough) Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2014 08:29:11 +0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] How to revive an XP POS PC In-Reply-To: References: <1862491112.52966990.1408223801933.JavaMail.root@cds018> <1705196215.54845978.1408472326091.JavaMail.root@cds018> Message-ID: <32337c2450f04af8a9932ae2f0571d2f@CHVEX12.lonzagroup.net> "Who spends $2k on a PC these days? " I did - in January I bought myself a new desktop, with the plan to not have to upgrade it for "a few years", so I went big: 32gb Crucial DDR3 PC3-14900 RAM, Intel i7 4820k Quad Core 3.7 HT (PC thinks it has 8 processors!), 4GB GByte nVidia GTX760, with Windows 8.1 x64, and some storage... cost me just over ?1500 (~USD$2400)... got it mostly for my photography, but it's also a pretty serious gaming rig, and with any luck it'll be a while before I have to do anything to it... Although now I've put the SSD drive in my laptop, I'm seriously considering doing the same to the desktop :-) Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2014 9:08 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] How to revive an XP POS PC Good advice in general, Jim. Just one question: who spends $2k on a PC these days? I bought a pretty serious laptop (Dell, with 8GB RAM and 1TB hard disk) for $750 and that was almost a year back, so the same machine should cost less now. I plugged in an old 22" monitor so it now has two screens when it's at home, which is almost always. When I go out, I take the Acer Iconia, which is also more than a year old but back when it was new it was slightly more than $200. Arthur ? _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com ________________________________ This communication and its attachments, if any, may contain confidential and privileged information the use of which by other persons or entities than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you receive this transmission in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete the material from your system. From gustav at cactus.dk Thu Aug 21 03:55:49 2014 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2014 08:55:49 +0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] How to revive an XP POS PC Message-ID: <120f62299d3e44019de365907df139f8@AMSPR06MB357.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com> Hi Arthur I don't, but I do buy non-expensive workstations with Xeon processors and 12+ GB ram. The trick is, that the built-in Intel P6000 graphic processor is fast enough for me (no gaming), thus I can save the cost of an optional graphics adapter and buy SSD drives. A marvelous combo - life it too short for slow machines. My home machine always runs the latest Windows preview (soon Windows 9) while my office machine runs the latest official Windows (currently 8.1). /gustav -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2014 9:08 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] How to revive an XP POS PC Good advice in general, Jim. Just one question: who spends $2k on a PC these days? I bought a pretty serious laptop (Dell, with 8GB RAM and 1TB hard disk) for $750 and that was almost a year back, so the same machine should cost less now. I plugged in an old 22" monitor so it now has two screens when it's at home, which is almost always. When I go out, I take the Acer Iconia, which is also more than a year old but back when it was new it was slightly more than $200. Arthur From accessd at shaw.ca Thu Aug 21 12:24:58 2014 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2014 11:24:58 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] How to revive an XP POS PC In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <356562893.56518208.1408641898391.JavaMail.root@cds018> For personally use, I would not buy a PC but when it comes to standard office environment, where there are a number of pieces of specific office software, stores of proprietary data, real performance (not only on brute force speed and on capacity, at all levels, but on high speed network traffic), is a real requirement then a PC is still king. If you are a road warrior or company of one or two, then laptops and other mobile devices become a practical alternative. I was also counting the cost of software and even maintenance when I estimated 2K per box. Here is a screen for real programmers and gamers. It is actually curved, can be run in series and its resolution is incredible: http://www.cnet.com/news/lg-flaunts-curved-219-monitor Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arthur Fuller" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2014 1:08:01 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] How to revive an XP POS PC Good advice in general, Jim. Just one question: who spends $2k on a PC these days? I bought a pretty serious laptop (Dell, with 8GB RAM and 1TB hard disk) for $750 and that was almost a year back, so the same machine should cost less now. I plugged in an old 22" monitor so it now has two screens when it's at home, which is almost always. When I go out, I take the Acer Iconia, which is also more than a year old but back when it was new it was slightly more than $200. Arthur ? _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jbartow at winhaven.net Fri Aug 22 00:07:58 2014 From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2014 00:07:58 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Virtual Box Message-ID: <02ed01cfbdc7$0a409560$1ec1c020$@winhaven.net> I have a client who wants to increase his VM drive to 100MB. Right now it's set to dynamic HD space. Is there a way to change it? John B From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Fri Aug 22 01:47:35 2014 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2014 16:47:35 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Virtual Box In-Reply-To: <02ed01cfbdc7$0a409560$1ec1c020$@winhaven.net> References: <02ed01cfbdc7$0a409560$1ec1c020$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: <53F6E787.17058.F8C9D830@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> If it's a .VDI then use the CLI tool VBoxManage. But delete any snapshots first. http://www.virtualbox.org/manual/ch08.html#vboxmanage-modifyvdi Once you've resized, you will need to use a partition manager inside the VM to use the extra space. On 22 Aug 2014 at 0:07, John Bartow wrote: > I have a client who wants to increase his VM drive to 100MB. Right now > it's set to dynamic HD space. Is there a way to change it? John B > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From marklbreen at gmail.com Fri Aug 22 04:55:49 2014 From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2014 10:55:49 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] How to revive an XP POS PC In-Reply-To: <120f62299d3e44019de365907df139f8@AMSPR06MB357.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com> References: <120f62299d3e44019de365907df139f8@AMSPR06MB357.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com> Message-ID: Hello All, I have mentioned it on here before, but because I love it so much, please endure me commenting again ;) A few years ago, I listened to a Joel Spolsky and Jeff Atwood podcast. They were discussing the ultimate developers machine. After almost an hour of discussion, they finalised it by saying "Jedi warrriors build their own light sabres". Well I am not quite a Jedi warrior but I decided to build a machine anyway. Had not built a PC in 20 years. Until then, I had presumed that buying Dell was good enough. I have since built about 20 - 50 machines for various friends, family and a very limited few customers. *Speed* The first thing that I did not know was that Intel sell their chips with a marked speed, eg i7 *3.5Ghz*. All the PC manufacturers supply motherboards that accept that speed and do not allow you to modify it. By purchasing an OEM motherboard, you can simply go into your bios and change the speed up to 4.3, 4.4, 4.5 and even 4.8GHz. Each chip has its own limits. These machines then become extremely fast. Here are some examples of processor costs just approx to give you a sense of the scale i3 ?88 i5 ?180 i7 ?233 There are other overclocking tricks you can do to get even more, but I ignore them all. My overclocking process lasts not more than 30 seconds. *Quality* There are cheap and nasty cases and powersupplies. eg a case for ?25 and a PSU for ?15. There are even case and PSU combined for ?25. However, there are cases for ?50 - ?60 and beautiful power supplies for ?50. These are a pleasure to work with, to assemble and to own. *Silence* The higher quality components are virtually silent. That means, in a silent office, you cannot, or almost cannot hear the PSU fan moving. To add to that, I then use only SSD disks. My PC is then as noisy as my pencil. *Time Required to build a machine* Choosing components - Hours and Days Unpacking cardboard - 20 - 30 mins Building the machine 20 - 60 mins Fiddling with the cables to make them .1 % tidier - hours if you wish Looking at it afterwards with the love a father had for his son - a lifetime *Cooling* There is a lot of talk about cooling. I usually install a CPU cooler that costs approx ?20. My processor almost never rises above warm. When I build silent machines, I disconnect the CPU fan and then monitor the temp. It usually rises a few degrees and then settles down and convection cooling works fine. With no fan connected, my CPU still never rises above 50 degrees Celsius. This is quite cool for a CPU. The limit is 100 Degrees Celsius. The formatting of the following text is horrible, but it is simple three tab separated columns. Examples of Costs *A budget machine* Ecomony Case Antec VSK-3000E Micro-ATX Black Case No PSU ?25.06 Corsair High Quality PSU Corsair Builder Series 80+ Bronze CMPSU-430CXV2UK 430W Power Supply (PSU) ?38.22 AMD Six Core Procerror AMD FX 6300 Black Edition Six Core Processor Socket AM3+ ?80.04 Asus Motherboard Asus M5A97 R2.0 AMD 970 AM3+ Motherboard Socket AM3+ ?68.79 8GB RAM 8GB (2x4GB) Corsair DDR3 XMS3, PC3-10600 (1333), Non-ECC Unbuffered, CAS 9-9-9-24, 1.50V ?68.57 1 TB Seagate Traditional Disk 1TB Seagate ST1000DM003 Barracuda 7200.14 SATA 6Gb/s 7200rpm 64MB Cache 8ms NCQ OEM ?42.18 CPU Fan Arctic Cooling Freezer 7 Pro v2 S775/115x/1366/AM3/AM2+/AM2/939 Up to 130 Watts ?19.09 Case Fan 120mm AKASA AK-191BL near Silent Imperial Blue value case fan ?5.17 Wired MS Wired Keyboard 200 for Business, USB Port, Black ?7.61 Wired (option for Wireless) MS Basic Optical Mouse for Business Black 3 Button with Scroll Wheel PS2/USB PC/MAC ?8.30 DVD Read/Write Samsung SH-224DB/BEBE 24x DVD?R, 8x DVD?DL, DVD+RW x8/-RW x6, x12 RAM Dual Layer SATA BLACK OEM ?14.29 Total ?377.32 *A large machine* High Quality Case Corsair Carbide 300R Mid Tower Gaming Case Black No PSU ?63.21 Corsair High Quality PSU 750W Corsair Builder Series CX CP-9020015-UK Non-Modular, 80 PLUS Bronze, Single Rail, 1x120mm Fan, ATX v2.31 PSU ?71.47 Top of the range Intel Intel Core i7-4790K Socket 1150 'Devils Canyon' (22nm) Quad Core Processor Retail with Heat Sink Fan ?265.38 Asus Motherboard Asus Z87-K Intel Z87 Socket 1150 Motherboard ?87.01 16 GB Ram Corsair Memory XMS3 16GB (2x8GB) DDR3 PC3-10666 (1333) Dual Channel Desktop ?133.54 4 TB x 2 4TB Seagate ST4000DM000 Desktop HDD.15, 3.5" HDD, SATA III - 6Gb/s, 5900rpm, 64MB Cache, 8ms, NCQ, OEM ?114.62 CPU Fan Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO, 4 Heat Pipes Direct Contact, with 120mm Quiet Fan LGA775/1155/1156/1366/AM2/AM2+/AM3/FM1 ?27.19 Case Fan 120mm AKASA AK-191BL near Silent Imperial Blue value case fan ?5.10 DVD Samsung SH-224DB/BEBE 24x DVD?R, 8x DVD?DL, DVD+RW x8/-RW x6, x12 RAM Dual Layer SATA BLACK OEM ?14.10 Total ?781.63 Source of components www.scan.co.uk You can see how you can tweak the values to build the machine you need. I hope it is interesting to you. Mark On 21 August 2014 09:55, Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi Arthur > > I don't, but I do buy non-expensive workstations with Xeon processors and > 12+ GB ram. The trick is, that the built-in Intel P6000 graphic processor > is fast enough for me (no gaming), thus I can save the cost of an optional > graphics adapter and buy SSD drives. A marvelous combo - life it too short > for slow machines. > My home machine always runs the latest Windows preview (soon Windows 9) > while my office machine runs the latest official Windows (currently 8.1). > > /gustav > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto: > dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller > Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2014 9:08 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] How to revive an XP POS PC > > Good advice in general, Jim. Just one question: who spends $2k on a PC > these days? I bought a pretty serious laptop (Dell, with 8GB RAM and 1TB > hard disk) for $750 and that was almost a year back, so the same machine > should cost less now. I plugged in an old 22" monitor so it now has two > screens when it's at home, which is almost always. When I go out, I take > the Acer Iconia, which is also more than a year old but back when it was > new it was slightly more than $200. > > Arthur > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From accessd at shaw.ca Sun Aug 24 17:37:13 2014 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2014 16:37:13 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] Virtual Box In-Reply-To: <02ed01cfbdc7$0a409560$1ec1c020$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: <310634224.58585402.1408919833203.JavaMail.root@cds018> http://www.wikihow.com/Increase-Disk-Space-in-VMware Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Bartow" To: "DBA-Tech" Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2014 10:07:58 PM Subject: [dba-Tech] Virtual Box I have a client who wants to increase his VM drive to 100MB. Right now it's set to dynamic HD space. Is there a way to change it? John B _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Sun Aug 24 17:50:59 2014 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2014 16:50:59 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] How to revive an XP POS PC In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <288742901.58589636.1408920659002.JavaMail.root@cds018> The only comment I could make of that fine selection of hardware is to put in a good water cooling unit. They are not as complex as they use to be, in fact I was shown one where it just snaps in. Water cooling has a couple of advantages; one, you can over-clock the CPU, with no heating concerns and two, the water cooling unit is much quieter than multiple fans needed for a real beast with its high-end video card. That seems like a great store for parts and pieces...hard to drive there though. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Breen" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Friday, August 22, 2014 2:55:49 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] How to revive an XP POS PC Hello All, I have mentioned it on here before, but because I love it so much, please endure me commenting again ;) A few years ago, I listened to a Joel Spolsky and Jeff Atwood podcast. They were discussing the ultimate developers machine. After almost an hour of discussion, they finalised it by saying "Jedi warrriors build their own light sabres". Well I am not quite a Jedi warrior but I decided to build a machine anyway. Had not built a PC in 20 years. Until then, I had presumed that buying Dell was good enough. I have since built about 20 - 50 machines for various friends, family and a very limited few customers. *Speed* The first thing that I did not know was that Intel sell their chips with a marked speed, eg i7 *3.5Ghz*. All the PC manufacturers supply motherboards that accept that speed and do not allow you to modify it. By purchasing an OEM motherboard, you can simply go into your bios and change the speed up to 4.3, 4.4, 4.5 and even 4.8GHz. Each chip has its own limits. These machines then become extremely fast. Here are some examples of processor costs just approx to give you a sense of the scale i3 ?88 i5 ?180 i7 ?233 There are other overclocking tricks you can do to get even more, but I ignore them all. My overclocking process lasts not more than 30 seconds. *Quality* There are cheap and nasty cases and powersupplies. eg a case for ?25 and a PSU for ?15. There are even case and PSU combined for ?25. However, there are cases for ?50 - ?60 and beautiful power supplies for ?50. These are a pleasure to work with, to assemble and to own. *Silence* The higher quality components are virtually silent. That means, in a silent office, you cannot, or almost cannot hear the PSU fan moving. To add to that, I then use only SSD disks. My PC is then as noisy as my pencil. *Time Required to build a machine* Choosing components - Hours and Days Unpacking cardboard - 20 - 30 mins Building the machine 20 - 60 mins Fiddling with the cables to make them .1 % tidier - hours if you wish Looking at it afterwards with the love a father had for his son - a lifetime *Cooling* There is a lot of talk about cooling. I usually install a CPU cooler that costs approx ?20. My processor almost never rises above warm. When I build silent machines, I disconnect the CPU fan and then monitor the temp. It usually rises a few degrees and then settles down and convection cooling works fine. With no fan connected, my CPU still never rises above 50 degrees Celsius. This is quite cool for a CPU. The limit is 100 Degrees Celsius. The formatting of the following text is horrible, but it is simple three tab separated columns. Examples of Costs *A budget machine* Ecomony Case Antec VSK-3000E Micro-ATX Black Case No PSU ?25.06 Corsair High Quality PSU Corsair Builder Series 80+ Bronze CMPSU-430CXV2UK 430W Power Supply (PSU) ?38.22 AMD Six Core Procerror AMD FX 6300 Black Edition Six Core Processor Socket AM3+ ?80.04 Asus Motherboard Asus M5A97 R2.0 AMD 970 AM3+ Motherboard Socket AM3+ ?68.79 8GB RAM 8GB (2x4GB) Corsair DDR3 XMS3, PC3-10600 (1333), Non-ECC Unbuffered, CAS 9-9-9-24, 1.50V ?68.57 1 TB Seagate Traditional Disk 1TB Seagate ST1000DM003 Barracuda 7200.14 SATA 6Gb/s 7200rpm 64MB Cache 8ms NCQ OEM ?42.18 CPU Fan Arctic Cooling Freezer 7 Pro v2 S775/115x/1366/AM3/AM2+/AM2/939 Up to 130 Watts ?19.09 Case Fan 120mm AKASA AK-191BL near Silent Imperial Blue value case fan ?5.17 Wired MS Wired Keyboard 200 for Business, USB Port, Black ?7.61 Wired (option for Wireless) MS Basic Optical Mouse for Business Black 3 Button with Scroll Wheel PS2/USB PC/MAC ?8.30 DVD Read/Write Samsung SH-224DB/BEBE 24x DVD?R, 8x DVD?DL, DVD+RW x8/-RW x6, x12 RAM Dual Layer SATA BLACK OEM ?14.29 Total ?377.32 *A large machine* High Quality Case Corsair Carbide 300R Mid Tower Gaming Case Black No PSU ?63.21 Corsair High Quality PSU 750W Corsair Builder Series CX CP-9020015-UK Non-Modular, 80 PLUS Bronze, Single Rail, 1x120mm Fan, ATX v2.31 PSU ?71.47 Top of the range Intel Intel Core i7-4790K Socket 1150 'Devils Canyon' (22nm) Quad Core Processor Retail with Heat Sink Fan ?265.38 Asus Motherboard Asus Z87-K Intel Z87 Socket 1150 Motherboard ?87.01 16 GB Ram Corsair Memory XMS3 16GB (2x8GB) DDR3 PC3-10666 (1333) Dual Channel Desktop ?133.54 4 TB x 2 4TB Seagate ST4000DM000 Desktop HDD.15, 3.5" HDD, SATA III - 6Gb/s, 5900rpm, 64MB Cache, 8ms, NCQ, OEM ?114.62 CPU Fan Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO, 4 Heat Pipes Direct Contact, with 120mm Quiet Fan LGA775/1155/1156/1366/AM2/AM2+/AM3/FM1 ?27.19 Case Fan 120mm AKASA AK-191BL near Silent Imperial Blue value case fan ?5.10 DVD Samsung SH-224DB/BEBE 24x DVD?R, 8x DVD?DL, DVD+RW x8/-RW x6, x12 RAM Dual Layer SATA BLACK OEM ?14.10 Total ?781.63 Source of components www.scan.co.uk You can see how you can tweak the values to build the machine you need. I hope it is interesting to you. Mark On 21 August 2014 09:55, Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi Arthur > > I don't, but I do buy non-expensive workstations with Xeon processors and > 12+ GB ram. The trick is, that the built-in Intel P6000 graphic processor > is fast enough for me (no gaming), thus I can save the cost of an optional > graphics adapter and buy SSD drives. A marvelous combo - life it too short > for slow machines. > My home machine always runs the latest Windows preview (soon Windows 9) > while my office machine runs the latest official Windows (currently 8.1). > > /gustav > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto: > dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller > Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2014 9:08 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] How to revive an XP POS PC > > Good advice in general, Jim. Just one question: who spends $2k on a PC > these days? I bought a pretty serious laptop (Dell, with 8GB RAM and 1TB > hard disk) for $750 and that was almost a year back, so the same machine > should cost less now. I plugged in an old 22" monitor so it now has two > screens when it's at home, which is almost always. When I go out, I take > the Acer Iconia, which is also more than a year old but back when it was > new it was slightly more than $200. > > Arthur > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Mon Aug 25 10:50:24 2014 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2014 11:50:24 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Change default search engine Message-ID: I just wandered through the WaterFox Settings and cannot seem to find where to change the default search engine. I assume it's the same as FireFox, so if you know that answer, chances are it's the same. -- Arthur From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Aug 25 12:51:59 2014 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2014 11:51:59 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] Change default search engine In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1915037824.59110186.1408989119408.JavaMail.root@cds018> My thoughts on this is, like different distros on Linux. each built for a specific purpose, from looks to performance now the new OSs are no longer desktop but browser based. This leaves the browser space as being the new frontier and we will see many new (distros) browsers appear, each trying to grab more market share. http://www.networkworld.com/article/2185649/applications/fast-firefox-faceoff--nightly-vs--pale-moon-vs--waterfox.html IMHO, Waterfox is a pure 64bit browser OS that adds further performance gains by using more RAM. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arthur Fuller" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Monday, August 25, 2014 8:50:24 AM Subject: [dba-Tech] Change default search engine I just wandered through the WaterFox Settings and cannot seem to find where to change the default search engine. I assume it's the same as FireFox, so if you know that answer, chances are it's the same. -- Arthur _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From eptept at gmail.com Mon Aug 25 13:02:29 2014 From: eptept at gmail.com (Ed Tesiny) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2014 14:02:29 -0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] Change default search engine In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Open Waterfox, in the upper right there a 3 horizontal lines, click, select "options", you can change it here On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 11:50 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > I just wandered through the WaterFox Settings and cannot seem to find where > to change the default search engine. I assume it's the same as FireFox, so > if you know that answer, chances are it's the same. > > -- > Arthur > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From jon.tydda at lonza.com Tue Aug 26 02:35:51 2014 From: jon.tydda at lonza.com (Tydda Jon - Lonza Slough) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2014 07:35:51 +0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] How to revive an XP POS PC In-Reply-To: <288742901.58589636.1408920659002.JavaMail.root@cds018> References: <288742901.58589636.1408920659002.JavaMail.root@cds018> Message-ID: <447a96a08ccd4506a4aab013c3ff1011@CHVEX12.lonzagroup.net> Scan delivers - I always use them myself. They're based in Bolton, Lancashire (which is about 200 miles from me, so I don't drive there either!). Very good prices, and their technical people know their stuff. I had a problem with the motherboard I bought in January - it just wouldn't fire up, so I sent it back, they reflashed the ROM, and sent it back, and it all worked fine the next time I tried it. Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2014 11:51 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] How to revive an XP POS PC The only comment I could make of that fine selection of hardware is to put in a good water cooling unit. They are not as complex as they use to be, in fact I was shown one where it just snaps in. Water cooling has a couple of advantages; one, you can over-clock the CPU, with no heating concerns and two, the water cooling unit is much quieter than multiple fans needed for a real beast with its high-end video card. That seems like a great store for parts and pieces...hard to drive there though. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Breen" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Friday, August 22, 2014 2:55:49 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] How to revive an XP POS PC Hello All, I have mentioned it on here before, but because I love it so much, please endure me commenting again ;) A few years ago, I listened to a Joel Spolsky and Jeff Atwood podcast. They were discussing the ultimate developers machine. After almost an hour of discussion, they finalised it by saying "Jedi warrriors build their own light sabres". Well I am not quite a Jedi warrior but I decided to build a machine anyway. Had not built a PC in 20 years. Until then, I had presumed that buying Dell was good enough. I have since built about 20 - 50 machines for various friends, family and a very limited few customers. *Speed* The first thing that I did not know was that Intel sell their chips with a marked speed, eg i7 *3.5Ghz*. All the PC manufacturers supply motherboards that accept that speed and do not allow you to modify it. By purchasing an OEM motherboard, you can simply go into your bios and change the speed up to 4.3, 4.4, 4.5 and even 4.8GHz. Each chip has its own limits. These machines then become extremely fast. Here are some examples of processor costs just approx to give you a sense of the scale i3 ?88 i5 ?180 i7 ?233 There are other overclocking tricks you can do to get even more, but I ignore them all. My overclocking process lasts not more than 30 seconds. *Quality* There are cheap and nasty cases and powersupplies. eg a case for ?25 and a PSU for ?15. There are even case and PSU combined for ?25. However, there are cases for ?50 - ?60 and beautiful power supplies for ?50. These are a pleasure to work with, to assemble and to own. *Silence* The higher quality components are virtually silent. That means, in a silent office, you cannot, or almost cannot hear the PSU fan moving. To add to that, I then use only SSD disks. My PC is then as noisy as my pencil. *Time Required to build a machine* Choosing components - Hours and Days Unpacking cardboard - 20 - 30 mins Building the machine 20 - 60 mins Fiddling with the cables to make them .1 % tidier - hours if you wish Looking at it afterwards with the love a father had for his son - a lifetime *Cooling* There is a lot of talk about cooling. I usually install a CPU cooler that costs approx ?20. My processor almost never rises above warm. When I build silent machines, I disconnect the CPU fan and then monitor the temp. It usually rises a few degrees and then settles down and convection cooling works fine. With no fan connected, my CPU still never rises above 50 degrees Celsius. This is quite cool for a CPU. The limit is 100 Degrees Celsius. The formatting of the following text is horrible, but it is simple three tab separated columns. Examples of Costs *A budget machine* Ecomony Case Antec VSK-3000E Micro-ATX Black Case No PSU ?25.06 Corsair High Quality PSU Corsair Builder Series 80+ Bronze CMPSU-430CXV2UK 430W Power Supply (PSU) ?38.22 AMD Six Core Procerror AMD FX 6300 Black Edition Six Core Processor Socket AM3+ ?80.04 Asus Motherboard Asus M5A97 R2.0 AMD 970 AM3+ Motherboard Socket AM3+ ?68.79 8GB RAM 8GB (2x4GB) Corsair DDR3 XMS3, PC3-10600 (1333), Non-ECC Unbuffered, CAS 9-9-9-24, 1.50V ?68.57 1 TB Seagate Traditional Disk 1TB Seagate ST1000DM003 Barracuda 7200.14 SATA 6Gb/s 7200rpm 64MB Cache 8ms NCQ OEM ?42.18 CPU Fan Arctic Cooling Freezer 7 Pro v2 S775/115x/1366/AM3/AM2+/AM2/939 Up to 130 Watts ?19.09 Case Fan 120mm AKASA AK-191BL near Silent Imperial Blue value case fan ?5.17 Wired MS Wired Keyboard 200 for Business, USB Port, Black ?7.61 Wired (option for Wireless) MS Basic Optical Mouse for Business Black 3 Button with Scroll Wheel PS2/USB PC/MAC ?8.30 DVD Read/Write Samsung SH-224DB/BEBE 24x DVD?R, 8x DVD?DL, DVD+RW x8/-RW x6, x12 RAM Dual Layer SATA BLACK OEM ?14.29 Total ?377.32 *A large machine* High Quality Case Corsair Carbide 300R Mid Tower Gaming Case Black No PSU ?63.21 Corsair High Quality PSU 750W Corsair Builder Series CX CP-9020015-UK Non-Modular, 80 PLUS Bronze, Single Rail, 1x120mm Fan, ATX v2.31 PSU ?71.47 Top of the range Intel Intel Core i7-4790K Socket 1150 'Devils Canyon' (22nm) Quad Core Processor Retail with Heat Sink Fan ?265.38 Asus Motherboard Asus Z87-K Intel Z87 Socket 1150 Motherboard ?87.01 16 GB Ram Corsair Memory XMS3 16GB (2x8GB) DDR3 PC3-10666 (1333) Dual Channel Desktop ?133.54 4 TB x 2 4TB Seagate ST4000DM000 Desktop HDD.15, 3.5" HDD, SATA III - 6Gb/s, 5900rpm, 64MB Cache, 8ms, NCQ, OEM ?114.62 CPU Fan Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO, 4 Heat Pipes Direct Contact, with 120mm Quiet Fan LGA775/1155/1156/1366/AM2/AM2+/AM3/FM1 ?27.19 Case Fan 120mm AKASA AK-191BL near Silent Imperial Blue value case fan ?5.10 DVD Samsung SH-224DB/BEBE 24x DVD?R, 8x DVD?DL, DVD+RW x8/-RW x6, x12 RAM Dual Layer SATA BLACK OEM ?14.10 Total ?781.63 Source of components www.scan.co.uk You can see how you can tweak the values to build the machine you need. I hope it is interesting to you. Mark On 21 August 2014 09:55, Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi Arthur > > I don't, but I do buy non-expensive workstations with Xeon processors > and > 12+ GB ram. The trick is, that the built-in Intel P6000 graphic > 12+ processor > is fast enough for me (no gaming), thus I can save the cost of an > optional graphics adapter and buy SSD drives. A marvelous combo - life > it too short for slow machines. > My home machine always runs the latest Windows preview (soon Windows > 9) while my office machine runs the latest official Windows (currently 8.1). > > /gustav > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto: > dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller > Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2014 9:08 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] How to revive an XP POS PC > > Good advice in general, Jim. Just one question: who spends $2k on a PC > these days? I bought a pretty serious laptop (Dell, with 8GB RAM and > 1TB hard disk) for $750 and that was almost a year back, so the same > machine should cost less now. I plugged in an old 22" monitor so it > now has two screens when it's at home, which is almost always. When I > go out, I take the Acer Iconia, which is also more than a year old but > back when it was new it was slightly more than $200. > > Arthur > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com ________________________________ This communication and its attachments, if any, may contain confidential and privileged information the use of which by other persons or entities than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you receive this transmission in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete the material from your system. From marklbreen at gmail.com Tue Aug 26 04:41:24 2014 From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2014 10:41:24 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] How to revive an XP POS PC In-Reply-To: <288742901.58589636.1408920659002.JavaMail.root@cds018> References: <288742901.58589636.1408920659002.JavaMail.root@cds018> Message-ID: Hello Jim, Have you built any water cooled units yourself? Can you tell us what units you have used? First comment I have to make is if the processor is sitting quietly at 38 - 40 degrees Celsius, why would anyone need to make it cooler. They will happily work at even 80 degrees C, so when it is below 40, absolutely no need for water. I did some experimentation with them a few years ago. I built a machine with a cheap ?15 - ?18 passive heatsink with a fan and compared various tests. I then did more tests with a high quality passive cooler and fan (approx ?25 - ?28). It was one or two degrees cooler after running for a few hours. I also tested with Prime 95 and the passive cooling was ok. Finally I installed an expensive water cooler and ran that for over a year. Result: 1) Not any cooler at all 2) You can hear the pump running if you listen carefully. It is not silent. 3) Once the radiator became dusty, the air blowing through it started to whistle slightly because the opening were slightly more narrow. In summary, I saw no benefit what so ever with water cooling. Nowadays, I just use a simple passive air cooler with a fan. Total kit costing ?15 - ?18. For my own machine I usually disconnect the CPU fan and convection alone takes of dissipating the heat from the CPU. When I do that, my PC has no moving parts at all. Mark On 24 August 2014 23:50, Jim Lawrence wrote: > The only comment I could make of that fine selection of hardware is to put > in a good water cooling unit. They are not as complex as they use to be, in > fact I was shown one where it just snaps in. Water cooling has a couple of > advantages; one, you can over-clock the CPU, with no heating concerns and > two, the water cooling unit is much quieter than multiple fans needed for a > real beast with its high-end video card. > > That seems like a great store for parts and pieces...hard to drive there > though. > > Jim > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Breen" > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" < > dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com> > Sent: Friday, August 22, 2014 2:55:49 AM > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] How to revive an XP POS PC > > Hello All, > I have mentioned it on here before, but because I love it so much, please > endure me commenting again ;) > > A few years ago, I listened to a Joel Spolsky and Jeff Atwood podcast. > They were discussing the ultimate developers machine. After almost an > hour of discussion, they finalised it by saying "Jedi warrriors build their > own light sabres". > > Well I am not quite a Jedi warrior but I decided to build a machine anyway. > Had not built a PC in 20 years. Until then, I had presumed that buying > Dell was good enough. I have since built about 20 - 50 machines for > various friends, family and a very limited few customers. > > *Speed* > The first thing that I did not know was that Intel sell their chips with a > marked speed, eg i7 *3.5Ghz*. All the PC manufacturers supply motherboards > that accept that speed and do not allow you to modify it. By purchasing an > OEM motherboard, you can simply go into your bios and change the speed up > to 4.3, 4.4, 4.5 and even 4.8GHz. Each chip has its own limits. These > machines then become extremely fast. Here are some examples of processor > costs just approx to give you a sense of the scale > > i3 ?88 > i5 ?180 > i7 ?233 > > There are other overclocking tricks you can do to get even more, but I > ignore them all. My overclocking process lasts not more than 30 seconds. > > > *Quality* > There are cheap and nasty cases and powersupplies. eg a case for ?25 and a > PSU for ?15. There are even case and PSU combined for ?25. However, there > are cases for ?50 - ?60 and beautiful power supplies for ?50. These are a > pleasure to work with, to assemble and to own. > > *Silence* > The higher quality components are virtually silent. That means, in a > silent office, you cannot, or almost cannot hear the PSU fan moving. To > add to that, I then use only SSD disks. My PC is then as noisy as my > pencil. > > *Time Required to build a machine* > Choosing components - Hours and Days > Unpacking cardboard - 20 - 30 mins > Building the machine 20 - 60 mins > Fiddling with the cables to make them .1 % tidier - hours if you wish > Looking at it afterwards with the love a father had for his son - a > lifetime > > > *Cooling* > There is a lot of talk about cooling. I usually install a CPU cooler that > costs approx ?20. My processor almost never rises above warm. When I > build silent machines, I disconnect the CPU fan and then monitor the temp. > It usually rises a few degrees and then settles down and convection > cooling works fine. With no fan connected, my CPU still never rises above > 50 degrees Celsius. This is quite cool for a CPU. The limit is 100 > Degrees Celsius. > > > > The formatting of the following text is horrible, but it is simple three > tab separated columns. > > Examples of Costs > *A budget machine* > Ecomony Case Antec VSK-3000E Micro-ATX Black Case No PSU ?25.06 > Corsair High Quality PSU Corsair Builder Series 80+ Bronze CMPSU-430CXV2UK > 430W Power Supply (PSU) ?38.22 > AMD Six Core Procerror AMD FX 6300 Black Edition Six Core Processor Socket > AM3+ ?80.04 > Asus Motherboard Asus M5A97 R2.0 AMD 970 AM3+ Motherboard Socket AM3+ > ?68.79 > 8GB RAM 8GB (2x4GB) Corsair DDR3 XMS3, PC3-10600 (1333), Non-ECC > Unbuffered, CAS 9-9-9-24, 1.50V ?68.57 > 1 TB Seagate Traditional Disk 1TB Seagate ST1000DM003 Barracuda 7200.14 > SATA 6Gb/s 7200rpm 64MB Cache 8ms NCQ OEM ?42.18 > CPU Fan Arctic Cooling Freezer 7 Pro v2 S775/115x/1366/AM3/AM2+/AM2/939 Up > to 130 Watts ?19.09 > Case Fan 120mm AKASA AK-191BL near Silent Imperial Blue value case fan > ?5.17 > Wired MS Wired Keyboard 200 for Business, USB Port, Black ?7.61 > Wired (option for Wireless) MS Basic Optical Mouse for Business Black 3 > Button with Scroll Wheel PS2/USB PC/MAC ?8.30 > DVD Read/Write Samsung SH-224DB/BEBE 24x DVD?R, 8x DVD?DL, DVD+RW x8/-RW > x6, x12 RAM Dual Layer SATA BLACK OEM ?14.29 > Total ?377.32 > > > *A large machine* > High Quality Case Corsair Carbide 300R Mid Tower Gaming Case Black No PSU > ?63.21 > Corsair High Quality PSU 750W Corsair Builder Series CX CP-9020015-UK > Non-Modular, 80 PLUS Bronze, Single Rail, 1x120mm Fan, ATX v2.31 PSU > ?71.47 > Top of the range Intel Intel Core i7-4790K Socket 1150 'Devils Canyon' > (22nm) Quad Core Processor Retail with Heat Sink Fan ?265.38 > Asus Motherboard Asus Z87-K Intel Z87 Socket 1150 Motherboard ?87.01 > 16 GB Ram Corsair Memory XMS3 16GB (2x8GB) DDR3 PC3-10666 (1333) Dual > Channel Desktop ?133.54 > 4 TB x 2 4TB Seagate ST4000DM000 Desktop HDD.15, 3.5" HDD, SATA III - > 6Gb/s, 5900rpm, 64MB Cache, 8ms, NCQ, OEM ?114.62 > CPU Fan Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO, 4 Heat Pipes Direct Contact, with > 120mm Quiet Fan LGA775/1155/1156/1366/AM2/AM2+/AM3/FM1 ?27.19 > Case Fan 120mm AKASA AK-191BL near Silent Imperial Blue value case fan > ?5.10 > DVD Samsung SH-224DB/BEBE 24x DVD?R, 8x DVD?DL, DVD+RW x8/-RW x6, x12 RAM > Dual Layer SATA BLACK OEM ?14.10 > Total ?781.63 > > Source of components www.scan.co.uk > > You can see how you can tweak the values to build the machine you need. > > I hope it is interesting to you. > > Mark > > > > > > > > > > > On 21 August 2014 09:55, Gustav Brock wrote: > > > Hi Arthur > > > > I don't, but I do buy non-expensive workstations with Xeon processors and > > 12+ GB ram. The trick is, that the built-in Intel P6000 graphic processor > > is fast enough for me (no gaming), thus I can save the cost of an > optional > > graphics adapter and buy SSD drives. A marvelous combo - life it too > short > > for slow machines. > > My home machine always runs the latest Windows preview (soon Windows 9) > > while my office machine runs the latest official Windows (currently 8.1). > > > > /gustav > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto: > > dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller > > Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2014 9:08 AM > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] How to revive an XP POS PC > > > > Good advice in general, Jim. Just one question: who spends $2k on a PC > > these days? I bought a pretty serious laptop (Dell, with 8GB RAM and 1TB > > hard disk) for $750 and that was almost a year back, so the same machine > > should cost less now. I plugged in an old 22" monitor so it now has two > > screens when it's at home, which is almost always. When I go out, I take > > the Acer Iconia, which is also more than a year old but back when it was > > new it was slightly more than $200. > > > > Arthur > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From jon.tydda at lonza.com Tue Aug 26 09:22:46 2014 From: jon.tydda at lonza.com (Tydda Jon - Lonza Slough) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2014 14:22:46 +0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] How to revive an XP POS PC In-Reply-To: References: <288742901.58589636.1408920659002.JavaMail.root@cds018> Message-ID: <32043c993cc5494baf8da6e7f0678f06@CHVEX12.lonzagroup.net> I have a Corsair water cooling unit in my PC, I only got it because I failed to notice that the processor I'd ordered didn't come with a heat sink & fan, so I had to go out and buy something if I wanted to use it that day... Happened that the only thing they had was a water cooling system. I'd always been dubious about introducing water to my computers, but as it's covered by the house insurance, I figured I should try everything once :-) I know the computer is quieter than my previous one, but that could be due to a better design (in terms of air-flow), the newer components are more efficient and don't heat up so much, and they're not old and full of dust. It's hard to compare a new system with a 7 year old one, and make any decent conclusions in that way, but it's definitely quieter and faster, and that's all that really matters to me. Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2014 10:41 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] How to revive an XP POS PC Hello Jim, Have you built any water cooled units yourself? Can you tell us what units you have used? First comment I have to make is if the processor is sitting quietly at 38 - 40 degrees Celsius, why would anyone need to make it cooler. They will happily work at even 80 degrees C, so when it is below 40, absolutely no need for water. I did some experimentation with them a few years ago. I built a machine with a cheap ?15 - ?18 passive heatsink with a fan and compared various tests. I then did more tests with a high quality passive cooler and fan (approx ?25 - ?28). It was one or two degrees cooler after running for a few hours. I also tested with Prime 95 and the passive cooling was ok. Finally I installed an expensive water cooler and ran that for over a year. Result: 1) Not any cooler at all 2) You can hear the pump running if you listen carefully. It is not silent. 3) Once the radiator became dusty, the air blowing through it started to whistle slightly because the opening were slightly more narrow. In summary, I saw no benefit what so ever with water cooling. Nowadays, I just use a simple passive air cooler with a fan. Total kit costing ?15 - ?18. For my own machine I usually disconnect the CPU fan and convection alone takes of dissipating the heat from the CPU. When I do that, my PC has no moving parts at all. Mark On 24 August 2014 23:50, Jim Lawrence wrote: > The only comment I could make of that fine selection of hardware is to > put in a good water cooling unit. They are not as complex as they use > to be, in fact I was shown one where it just snaps in. Water cooling > has a couple of advantages; one, you can over-clock the CPU, with no > heating concerns and two, the water cooling unit is much quieter than > multiple fans needed for a real beast with its high-end video card. > > That seems like a great store for parts and pieces...hard to drive > there though. > > Jim > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Breen" > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" < > dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com> > Sent: Friday, August 22, 2014 2:55:49 AM > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] How to revive an XP POS PC > > Hello All, > I have mentioned it on here before, but because I love it so much, > please endure me commenting again ;) > > A few years ago, I listened to a Joel Spolsky and Jeff Atwood podcast. > They were discussing the ultimate developers machine. After almost > an hour of discussion, they finalised it by saying "Jedi warrriors > build their own light sabres". > > Well I am not quite a Jedi warrior but I decided to build a machine anyway. > Had not built a PC in 20 years. Until then, I had presumed that > buying Dell was good enough. I have since built about 20 - 50 > machines for various friends, family and a very limited few customers. > > *Speed* > The first thing that I did not know was that Intel sell their chips > with a marked speed, eg i7 *3.5Ghz*. All the PC manufacturers supply > motherboards that accept that speed and do not allow you to modify it. > By purchasing an OEM motherboard, you can simply go into your bios and > change the speed up to 4.3, 4.4, 4.5 and even 4.8GHz. Each chip has > its own limits. These machines then become extremely fast. Here are > some examples of processor costs just approx to give you a sense of > the scale > > i3 ?88 > i5 ?180 > i7 ?233 > > There are other overclocking tricks you can do to get even more, but I > ignore them all. My overclocking process lasts not more than 30 seconds. > > > *Quality* > There are cheap and nasty cases and powersupplies. eg a case for ?25 > and a PSU for ?15. There are even case and PSU combined for ?25. > However, there are cases for ?50 - ?60 and beautiful power supplies > for ?50. These are a pleasure to work with, to assemble and to own. > > *Silence* > The higher quality components are virtually silent. That means, in a > silent office, you cannot, or almost cannot hear the PSU fan moving. > To add to that, I then use only SSD disks. My PC is then as noisy as > my pencil. > > *Time Required to build a machine* > Choosing components - Hours and Days > Unpacking cardboard - 20 - 30 mins > Building the machine 20 - 60 mins > Fiddling with the cables to make them .1 % tidier - hours if you wish > Looking at it afterwards with the love a father had for his son - a > lifetime > > > *Cooling* > There is a lot of talk about cooling. I usually install a CPU cooler > that costs approx ?20. My processor almost never rises above warm. > When I build silent machines, I disconnect the CPU fan and then monitor the temp. > It usually rises a few degrees and then settles down and convection > cooling works fine. With no fan connected, my CPU still never rises > above > 50 degrees Celsius. This is quite cool for a CPU. The limit is 100 > Degrees Celsius. > > > > The formatting of the following text is horrible, but it is simple > three tab separated columns. > > Examples of Costs > *A budget machine* > Ecomony Case Antec VSK-3000E Micro-ATX Black Case No PSU ?25.06 > Corsair High Quality PSU Corsair Builder Series 80+ Bronze > CMPSU-430CXV2UK 430W Power Supply (PSU) ?38.22 AMD Six Core Procerror > AMD FX 6300 Black Edition Six Core Processor Socket > AM3+ ?80.04 > Asus Motherboard Asus M5A97 R2.0 AMD 970 AM3+ Motherboard Socket AM3+ > ?68.79 > 8GB RAM 8GB (2x4GB) Corsair DDR3 XMS3, PC3-10600 (1333), Non-ECC > Unbuffered, CAS 9-9-9-24, 1.50V ?68.57 > 1 TB Seagate Traditional Disk 1TB Seagate ST1000DM003 Barracuda > 7200.14 SATA 6Gb/s 7200rpm 64MB Cache 8ms NCQ OEM ?42.18 CPU Fan > Arctic Cooling Freezer 7 Pro v2 S775/115x/1366/AM3/AM2+/AM2/939 Up to > 130 Watts ?19.09 Case Fan 120mm AKASA AK-191BL near Silent Imperial > Blue value case fan > ?5.17 > Wired MS Wired Keyboard 200 for Business, USB Port, Black ?7.61 Wired > (option for Wireless) MS Basic Optical Mouse for Business Black 3 > Button with Scroll Wheel PS2/USB PC/MAC ?8.30 DVD Read/Write Samsung > SH-224DB/BEBE 24x DVD?R, 8x DVD?DL, DVD+RW x8/-RW x6, x12 RAM Dual > Layer SATA BLACK OEM ?14.29 Total ?377.32 > > > *A large machine* > High Quality Case Corsair Carbide 300R Mid Tower Gaming Case Black No > PSU > ?63.21 > Corsair High Quality PSU 750W Corsair Builder Series CX CP-9020015-UK > Non-Modular, 80 PLUS Bronze, Single Rail, 1x120mm Fan, ATX v2.31 PSU > ?71.47 > Top of the range Intel Intel Core i7-4790K Socket 1150 'Devils Canyon' > (22nm) Quad Core Processor Retail with Heat Sink Fan ?265.38 Asus > Motherboard Asus Z87-K Intel Z87 Socket 1150 Motherboard ?87.01 > 16 GB Ram Corsair Memory XMS3 16GB (2x8GB) DDR3 PC3-10666 (1333) Dual > Channel Desktop ?133.54 > 4 TB x 2 4TB Seagate ST4000DM000 Desktop HDD.15, 3.5" HDD, SATA III - > 6Gb/s, 5900rpm, 64MB Cache, 8ms, NCQ, OEM ?114.62 CPU Fan Cooler > Master Hyper 212 EVO, 4 Heat Pipes Direct Contact, with 120mm Quiet > Fan LGA775/1155/1156/1366/AM2/AM2+/AM3/FM1 ?27.19 Case Fan 120mm > AKASA AK-191BL near Silent Imperial Blue value case fan > ?5.10 > DVD Samsung SH-224DB/BEBE 24x DVD?R, 8x DVD?DL, DVD+RW x8/-RW x6, x12 > RAM Dual Layer SATA BLACK OEM ?14.10 Total ?781.63 > > Source of components www.scan.co.uk > > You can see how you can tweak the values to build the machine you need. > > I hope it is interesting to you. > > Mark > > > > > > > > > > > On 21 August 2014 09:55, Gustav Brock wrote: > > > Hi Arthur > > > > I don't, but I do buy non-expensive workstations with Xeon > > processors and > > 12+ GB ram. The trick is, that the built-in Intel P6000 graphic > > 12+ processor > > is fast enough for me (no gaming), thus I can save the cost of an > optional > > graphics adapter and buy SSD drives. A marvelous combo - life it too > short > > for slow machines. > > My home machine always runs the latest Windows preview (soon Windows > > 9) while my office machine runs the latest official Windows (currently 8.1). > > > > /gustav > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto: > > dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller > > Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2014 9:08 AM > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] How to revive an XP POS PC > > > > Good advice in general, Jim. Just one question: who spends $2k on a > > PC these days? I bought a pretty serious laptop (Dell, with 8GB RAM > > and 1TB hard disk) for $750 and that was almost a year back, so the > > same machine should cost less now. I plugged in an old 22" monitor > > so it now has two screens when it's at home, which is almost always. > > When I go out, I take the Acer Iconia, which is also more than a > > year old but back when it was new it was slightly more than $200. > > > > Arthur > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com ________________________________ This communication and its attachments, if any, may contain confidential and privileged information the use of which by other persons or entities than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you receive this transmission in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete the material from your system. From accessd at shaw.ca Wed Aug 27 01:21:21 2014 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2014 00:21:21 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] How to revive an XP POS PC In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <553091982.60351458.1409120481776.JavaMail.root@cds018> Hi Mark: Sounds like you have a nice unit there. :-) I do not have a water cooled unit...yet. I have a gamer friend who installed a full water cooled system and is very pleased with the results. He evidentially over-clocked his box to the point where he said his CPU would burn out in two minutes if he did not have a water cooling system. He replaced two rather large fans and when he is running there is just a fairly quiet sort of bubbling sound...a lot quieter that the roar of the fans. I am not sure of the rest of the particulars except he bought the unit from a local computer store we both haunt when looking for components. (I have a nice 64bit Asus Z87-K board, Intel CPU 4 Core, 3.3+GHz, flexible BIOS, 32GB of RAM, whisper quiet power supply (NRXN?) waiting to be installed in some old metal box that needs to be gutted first...winter project...might try water cooling if I start pushing the GHz...still deciding on the video card and how much hard drive or SSD space.) Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Breen" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2014 2:41:24 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] How to revive an XP POS PC Hello Jim, Have you built any water cooled units yourself? Can you tell us what units you have used? First comment I have to make is if the processor is sitting quietly at 38 - 40 degrees Celsius, why would anyone need to make it cooler. They will happily work at even 80 degrees C, so when it is below 40, absolutely no need for water. I did some experimentation with them a few years ago. I built a machine with a cheap ?15 - ?18 passive heatsink with a fan and compared various tests. I then did more tests with a high quality passive cooler and fan (approx ?25 - ?28). It was one or two degrees cooler after running for a few hours. I also tested with Prime 95 and the passive cooling was ok. Finally I installed an expensive water cooler and ran that for over a year. Result: 1) Not any cooler at all 2) You can hear the pump running if you listen carefully. It is not silent. 3) Once the radiator became dusty, the air blowing through it started to wanhistle slightly because the opening were slightly more narrow. In summary, I saw no benefit what so ever with water cooling. Nowadays, I just use a simple passive air cooler with a fan. Total kit costing ?15 - ?18. For my own machine I usually disconnect the CPU fan and convection alone takes of dissipating the heat from the CPU. When I do that, my PC has no moving parts at all. Mark On 24 August 2014 23:50, Jim Lawrence wrote: > The only comment I could make of that fine selection of hardware is to put > in a good water cooling unit. They are not as complex as they use to be, in > fact I was shown one where it just snaps in. Water cooling has a couple of > advantages; one, you can over-clock the CPU, with no heating concerns and > two, the water cooling unit is much quieter than multiple fans needed for a > real beast with its high-end video card. > > That seems like a great store for parts and pieces...hard to drive there > though. > > Jim > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Breen" > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" < > dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com> > Sent: Friday, August 22, 2014 2:55:49 AM > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] How to revive an XP POS PC > > Hello All, > I have mentioned it on here before, but because I love it so much, please > endure me commenting again ;) > > A few years ago, I listened to a Joel Spolsky and Jeff Atwood podcast. > They were discussing the ultimate developers machine. After almost an > hour of discussion, they finalised it by saying "Jedi warrriors build their > own light sabres". > > Well I am not quite a Jedi warrior but I decided to build a machine anyway. > Had not built a PC in 20 years. Until then, I had presumed that buying > Dell was good enough. I have since built about 20 - 50 machines for > various friends, family and a very limited few customers. > > *Speed* > The first thing that I did not know was that Intel sell their chips with a > marked speed, eg i7 *3.5Ghz*. All the PC manufacturers supply motherboards > that accept that speed and do not allow you to modify it. By purchasing an > OEM motherboard, you can simply go into your bios and change the speed up > to 4.3, 4.4, 4.5 and even 4.8GHz. Each chip has its own limits. These > machines then become extremely fast. Here are some examples of processor > costs just approx to give you a sense of the scale > > i3 ?88 > i5 ?180 > i7 ?233 > > There are other overclocking tricks you can do to get even more, but I > ignore them all. My overclocking process lasts not more than 30 seconds. > > > *Quality* > There are cheap and nasty cases and powersupplies. eg a case for ?25 and a > PSU for ?15. There are even case and PSU combined for ?25. However, there > are cases for ?50 - ?60 and beautiful power supplies for ?50. These are a > pleasure to work with, to assemble and to own. > > *Silence* > The higher quality components are virtually silent. That means, in a > silent office, you cannot, or almost cannot hear the PSU fan moving. To > add to that, I then use only SSD disks. My PC is then as noisy as my > pencil. > > *Time Required to build a machine* > Choosing components - Hours and Days > Unpacking cardboard - 20 - 30 mins > Building the machine 20 - 60 mins > Fiddling with the cables to make them .1 % tidier - hours if you wish > Looking at it afterwards with the love a father had for his son - a > lifetime > > > *Cooling* > There is a lot of talk about cooling. I usually install a CPU cooler that > costs approx ?20. My processor almost never rises above warm. When I > build silent machines, I disconnect the CPU fan and then monitor the temp. > It usually rises a few degrees and then settles down and convection > cooling works fine. With no fan connected, my CPU still never rises above > 50 degrees Celsius. This is quite cool for a CPU. The limit is 100 > Degrees Celsius. > > > > The formatting of the following text is horrible, but it is simple three > tab separated columns. > > Examples of Costs > *A budget machine* > Ecomony Case Antec VSK-3000E Micro-ATX Black Case No PSU ?25.06 > Corsair High Quality PSU Corsair Builder Series 80+ Bronze CMPSU-430CXV2UK > 430W Power Supply (PSU) ?38.22 > AMD Six Core Procerror AMD FX 6300 Black Edition Six Core Processor Socket > AM3+ ?80.04 > Asus Motherboard Asus M5A97 R2.0 AMD 970 AM3+ Motherboard Socket AM3+ > ?68.79 > 8GB RAM 8GB (2x4GB) Corsair DDR3 XMS3, PC3-10600 (1333), Non-ECC > Unbuffered, CAS 9-9-9-24, 1.50V ?68.57 > 1 TB Seagate Traditional Disk 1TB Seagate ST1000DM003 Barracuda 7200.14 > SATA 6Gb/s 7200rpm 64MB Cache 8ms NCQ OEM ?42.18 > CPU Fan Arctic Cooling Freezer 7 Pro v2 S775/115x/1366/AM3/AM2+/AM2/939 Up > to 130 Watts ?19.09 > Case Fan 120mm AKASA AK-191BL near Silent Imperial Blue value case fan > ?5.17 > Wired MS Wired Keyboard 200 for Business, USB Port, Black ?7.61 > Wired (option for Wireless) MS Basic Optical Mouse for Business Black 3 > Button with Scroll Wheel PS2/USB PC/MAC ?8.30 > DVD Read/Write Samsung SH-224DB/BEBE 24x DVD?R, 8x DVD?DL, DVD+RW x8/-RW > x6, x12 RAM Dual Layer SATA BLACK OEM ?14.29 > Total ?377.32 > > > *A large machine* > High Quality Case Corsair Carbide 300R Mid Tower Gaming Case Black No PSU > ?63.21 > Corsair High Quality PSU 750W Corsair Builder Series CX CP-9020015-UK > Non-Modular, 80 PLUS Bronze, Single Rail, 1x120mm Fan, ATX v2.31 PSU > ?71.47 > Top of the range Intel Intel Core i7-4790K Socket 1150 'Devils Canyon' > (22nm) Quad Core Processor Retail with Heat Sink Fan ?265.38 > Asus Motherboard Asus Z87-K Intel Z87 Socket 1150 Motherboard ?87.01 > 16 GB Ram Corsair Memory XMS3 16GB (2x8GB) DDR3 PC3-10666 (1333) Dual > Channel Desktop ?133.54 > 4 TB x 2 4TB Seagate ST4000DM000 Desktop HDD.15, 3.5" HDD, SATA III - > 6Gb/s, 5900rpm, 64MB Cache, 8ms, NCQ, OEM ?114.62 > CPU Fan Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO, 4 Heat Pipes Direct Contact, with > 120mm Quiet Fan LGA775/1155/1156/1366/AM2/AM2+/AM3/FM1 ?27.19 > Case Fan 120mm AKASA AK-191BL near Silent Imperial Blue value case fan > ?5.10 > DVD Samsung SH-224DB/BEBE 24x DVD?R, 8x DVD?DL, DVD+RW x8/-RW x6, x12 RAM > Dual Layer SATA BLACK OEM ?14.10 > Total ?781.63 > > Source of components www.scan.co.uk > > You can see how you can tweak the values to build the machine you need. > > I hope it is interesting to you. > > Mark > > > > > > > > > > > On 21 August 2014 09:55, Gustav Brock wrote: > > > Hi Arthur > > > > I don't, but I do buy non-expensive workstations with Xeon processors and > > 12+ GB ram. The trick is, that the built-in Intel P6000 graphic processor > > is fast enough for me (no gaming), thus I can save the cost of an > optional > > graphics adapter and buy SSD drives. A marvelous combo - life it too > short > > for slow machines. > > My home machine always runs the latest Windows preview (soon Windows 9) > > while my office machine runs the latest official Windows (currently 8.1). > > > > /gustav > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto: > > dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller > > Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2014 9:08 AM > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] How to revive an XP POS PC > > > > Good advice in general, Jim. Just one question: who spends $2k on a PC > > these days? I bought a pretty serious laptop (Dell, with 8GB RAM and 1TB > > hard disk) for $750 and that was almost a year back, so the same machine > > should cost less now. I plugged in an old 22" monitor so it now has two > > screens when it's at home, which is almost always. When I go out, I take > > the Acer Iconia, which is also more than a year old but back when it was > > new it was slightly more than $200. > > > > Arthur > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Wed Aug 27 12:11:52 2014 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2014 11:11:52 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-Tech] Announcing Xamarin 3 In-Reply-To: <1401543864.716866314@f224.i.mail.ru> Message-ID: <964038370.60698143.1409159512787.JavaMail.root@cds018> Hi Shamil: Thanks for that. I will view this later as I am on my way to visit the relative, further North. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2014 6:44:24 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Announcing Xamarin 3 Hi Jim -- If you missed webinar, here are the links: Webinar recording:? https://xamarin.wistia.com/medias/dnm9rouaer ? Webinar slides:? http://www.slideshare.net/Xamarin/say-hello-to-xamarin-3 Thank you. -- Shamil Fri, 30 May 2014 09:13:48 -0600 (MDT) from Jim Lawrence : >Hi Shamil: > >Again, thank you for the link. > >Jim > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" < mcp2004 at mail.ru > >To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" < dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com > >Sent: Friday, May 30, 2014 5:05:49 AM >Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Announcing Xamarin 3 > >?Hi Jim and Gusatv et all -- > >It has just started at 5am PDT >http://resources.xamarin.com/say-hello-to-xamarin-3-5am.html > > >Thank you. > >-- Shamil > > >Fri, 30 May 2014 01:19:24 -0600 (MDT) from Jim Lawrence < accessd at shaw.ca >: >>Hi Shamil: >> >>Of course not. Real men don't use GUIs. ;-) >> >>Jim >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" < mcp2004 at mail.ru > >>To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" < dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com > >>Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2014 11:01:44 PM >>Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Announcing Xamarin 3 >> >>?Hi Jim -- >> >>My pleasure! But real programmers don't use/don't need GUI IDE, do they? ;) >> >>-- Shamil >> >> >>Thu, 29 May 2014 11:46:24 -0600 (MDT) from Jim Lawrence < accessd at shaw.ca >: >>>Hi Shamil: >>> >>>Thanks for that link. >>> >>>Jim >>> >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" < mcp2004 at mail.ru > >>>To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" < dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com > >>>Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2014 10:22:13 AM >>>Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Announcing Xamarin 3 >>> >>>?Hi Jim -- >>> >>>Free Xamarin Studio ( http://xamarin.com/studio ) can be used instead of VS. >>> >>>-- Shamil >>> >>> >>>Thu, 29 May 2014 10:19:24 -0600 (MDT) from Jim Lawrence < accessd at shaw.ca >: >>>>Hi Shamil: >>>> >>>>But doesn't Visual Studio support not start until you have reached the $1000 level? >>>> >>>>Jim >>>> >>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" < mcp2004 at mail.ru > >>>>To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" < dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com > >>>>Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2014 9:08:57 AM >>>>Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Announcing Xamarin 3 >>>> >>>>?Hi Jim and Gustav -- >>>> >>>>Well, Starter edition is free, Indie edition costs just a family extended dinner, and Business and Enterprise Editions have usual price ranges for corporations. I suppose Indie edition would be good enough for quite a few development/usage scenarios for SOHO companies with usually "shallow pockets. >>>> >>>>-- Shamil >>>> >>>> >>>>Thu, 29 May 2014 09:36:11 -0600 (MDT) from Jim Lawrence < accessd at shaw.ca >: >>>>>Hi Shamil: >>>>> >>>>>For developers or clients with deep pockets this may be an ideal. >>>>> >>>>>Jim >>>>> >>>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>>From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" < mcp2004 at mail.ru > >>>>>To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" < dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com > >>>>>Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2014 10:47:29 AM >>>>>Subject: [dba-Tech] Announcing Xamarin 3 >>>>> >>>>>?Hi All -- >>>>> >>>>>Here are great news for multi-platform mobile development for C# devs: >>>>> >>>>> http://blog.xamarin.com/announcing-xamarin-3 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>-- >>>>>???????????? ?????? >>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>dba-Tech mailing list >>>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>>>>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>>>> >>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>dba-Tech mailing list >>>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>>>>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>>>> >>>> >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>dba-Tech mailing list >>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>>>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>>> >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>dba-Tech mailing list >>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>>>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>dba-Tech mailing list >>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>dba-Tech mailing list >>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >>_______________________________________________ >>dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From gustav at cactus.dk Fri Aug 29 03:45:04 2014 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2014 08:45:04 +0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Announcing Xamarin 3 Message-ID: <09db18a8f3a240da95a6ad98cbf8edb9@AMSPR06MB357.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com> Hi all There is also a highly praised 45 minutes video by Filip Ekberg from a Sydney User Group event: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xfMYdWAo0k and a Channel 9 video: http://channel9.msdn.com/Events/Build/2014/3-653 /gustav -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Salakhetdinov Shamil Sendt: 31. maj 2014 15:44 Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Announcing Xamarin 3 Hi Jim -- If you missed webinar, here are the links: Webinar recording:? https://xamarin.wistia.com/medias/dnm9rouaer ? Webinar slides:? http://www.slideshare.net/Xamarin/say-hello-to-xamarin-3 Thank you. -- Shamil Fri, 30 May 2014 09:13:48 -0600 (MDT) from Jim Lawrence : >Hi Shamil: > >Again, thank you for the link. > >Jim > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" < mcp2004 at mail.ru > >To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" < dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com > >Sent: Friday, May 30, 2014 5:05:49 AM >Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Announcing Xamarin 3 > >?Hi Jim and Gusatv et all -- > >It has just started at 5am PDT >http://resources.xamarin.com/say-hello-to-xamarin-3-5am.html > > >Thank you. > >-- Shamil > > >Fri, 30 May 2014 01:19:24 -0600 (MDT) from Jim Lawrence < accessd at shaw.ca >: >>Hi Shamil: >> >>Of course not. Real men don't use GUIs. ;-) >> >>Jim >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" < mcp2004 at mail.ru > >>To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" < dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com > >>Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2014 11:01:44 PM >>Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Announcing Xamarin 3 >> >>?Hi Jim -- >> >>My pleasure! But real programmers don't use/don't need GUI IDE, do they? ;) >> >>-- Shamil >> >> >>Thu, 29 May 2014 11:46:24 -0600 (MDT) from Jim Lawrence < accessd at shaw.ca >: >>>Hi Shamil: >>> >>>Thanks for that link. >>> >>>Jim >>> >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" < mcp2004 at mail.ru > >>>To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" < dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com > >>>Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2014 10:22:13 AM >>>Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Announcing Xamarin 3 >>> >>>?Hi Jim -- >>> >>>Free Xamarin Studio ( http://xamarin.com/studio ) can be used instead of VS. >>> >>>-- Shamil >>> >>> >>>Thu, 29 May 2014 10:19:24 -0600 (MDT) from Jim Lawrence < accessd at shaw.ca >: >>>>Hi Shamil: >>>> >>>>But doesn't Visual Studio support not start until you have reached the $1000 level? >>>> >>>>Jim >>>> >>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" < mcp2004 at mail.ru > >>>>To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" < dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com > >>>>Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2014 9:08:57 AM >>>>Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Announcing Xamarin 3 >>>> >>>>?Hi Jim and Gustav -- >>>> >>>>Well, Starter edition is free, Indie edition costs just a family extended dinner, and Business and Enterprise Editions have usual price ranges for corporations. I suppose Indie edition would be good enough for quite a few development/usage scenarios for SOHO companies with usually "shallow pockets. >>>> >>>>-- Shamil >>>> >>>> >>>>Thu, 29 May 2014 09:36:11 -0600 (MDT) from Jim Lawrence < accessd at shaw.ca >: >>>>>Hi Shamil: >>>>> >>>>>For developers or clients with deep pockets this may be an ideal. >>>>> >>>>>Jim >>>>> >>>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>>From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" < mcp2004 at mail.ru > >>>>>To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" < dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com > >>>>>Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2014 10:47:29 AM >>>>>Subject: [dba-Tech] Announcing Xamarin 3 >>>>> >>>>>?Hi All -- >>>>> >>>>>Here are great news for multi-platform mobile development for C# devs: >>>>> >>>>> http://blog.xamarin.com/announcing-xamarin-3 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>-- >>>>>???????????? ??????