From jbartow at winhaven.net Mon Dec 1 23:15:13 2014 From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2014 23:15:13 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] IE11 - I need cookies enabled Message-ID: <015e01d00dee$f4654740$dd2fd5c0$@winhaven.net> Hi all, I have a check scanner device that must use IE 11 (because its run by an Active X control) and must have cookies enabled for the website that it interacts with. I have tried everything I can think of to get the cookies enabled but the website always states that the cookies are enabled. I even uninstalled all security this evening in an attempt. Odd thing is that I have another machine across the hall, with essentially the same configuration, that it works with. Any ideas? John B From tinanfields at torchlake.com Tue Dec 2 07:49:53 2014 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2014 08:49:53 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] IE11 - I need cookies enabled In-Reply-To: <015e01d00dee$f4654740$dd2fd5c0$@winhaven.net> References: <015e01d00dee$f4654740$dd2fd5c0$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: <547DC381.1040007@torchlake.com> It sure sounds like one of those moments when the machinery has something stuck in its craw. Everything says it's correct, but it doesn't work. Isn't that when we back everything out - everything that could be involved - maybe use a restore point - reboot the system - and start over? The fact that the other machine with the same configuration works, definitely points to stuck-in-the-craw situation, doesn't it? As I recall from engineering school, the image of Hell is a fine modern mechanical room, filled with the newest and best machines, all of which are in perfect working condition - and nothing works. :-) TNF Tina Norris Fields tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com 231-322-2787 On 12/2/2014 12:15 AM, John R Bartow wrote: > Hi all, > > I have a check scanner device that must use IE 11 (because its run by an > Active X control) and must have cookies enabled for the website that it > interacts with. > > > > I have tried everything I can think of to get the cookies enabled but the > website always states that the cookies are enabled. I even uninstalled all > security this evening in an attempt. Odd thing is that I have another > machine across the hall, with essentially the same configuration, that it > works with. > > > > Any ideas? > > > > John B > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From jbartow at winhaven.net Tue Dec 2 11:22:27 2014 From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2014 11:22:27 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] IE11 - I need cookies enabled In-Reply-To: <547DC381.1040007@torchlake.com> References: <015e01d00dee$f4654740$dd2fd5c0$@winhaven.net> <547DC381.1040007@torchlake.com> Message-ID: <012f01d00e54$8befe1a0$a3cfa4e0$@winhaven.net> Hi Tina, Yes I think this is 'machinery hell'. I just about begged the owner not to do this but as all unheeded advice tends to go, he will pay for that disregard. I typically would try a system restore but this machine is so complicated, and everything else is working perfectly, so I hate to do that. And in the end, what do I learn from it? ;-) I know there are situations that are unresolvable but until such time as I reach that conclusion I shall attempt to figure this out. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris Fields Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2014 7:50 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] IE11 - I need cookies enabled It sure sounds like one of those moments when the machinery has something stuck in its craw. Everything says it's correct, but it doesn't work. Isn't that when we back everything out - everything that could be involved - maybe use a restore point - reboot the system - and start over? The fact that the other machine with the same configuration works, definitely points to stuck-in-the-craw situation, doesn't it? As I recall from engineering school, the image of Hell is a fine modern mechanical room, filled with the newest and best machines, all of which are in perfect working condition - and nothing works. :-) TNF Tina Norris Fields tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com 231-322-2787 On 12/2/2014 12:15 AM, John R Bartow wrote: > Hi all, > > I have a check scanner device that must use IE 11 (because its run by > an Active X control) and must have cookies enabled for the website > that it interacts with. > > > > I have tried everything I can think of to get the cookies enabled but > the website always states that the cookies are enabled. I even > uninstalled all security this evening in an attempt. Odd thing is that > I have another machine across the hall, with essentially the same > configuration, that it works with. > > > > Any ideas? > > > > John B > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From tinanfields at torchlake.com Tue Dec 2 12:46:00 2014 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2014 13:46:00 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] IE11 - I need cookies enabled In-Reply-To: <012f01d00e54$8befe1a0$a3cfa4e0$@winhaven.net> References: <015e01d00dee$f4654740$dd2fd5c0$@winhaven.net> <547DC381.1040007@torchlake.com> <012f01d00e54$8befe1a0$a3cfa4e0$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: <547E08E8.6050308@torchlake.com> For my edification, what scanner is it? I am planning to put a small scanner on my desk, to organize my receipts and business cards especially. I bought a Neat Desk scanner, which is still in its box until I get around to it. So, I'm checking - so that I can benefit from whatever you discover. TNF Tina Norris Fields tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com 231-322-2787 On 12/2/2014 12:22 PM, John R Bartow wrote: > Hi Tina, > Yes I think this is 'machinery hell'. I just about begged the owner not to > do this but as all unheeded advice tends to go, he will pay for that > disregard. I typically would try a system restore but this machine is so > complicated, and everything else is working perfectly, so I hate to do that. > And in the end, what do I learn from it? ;-) I know there are situations > that are unresolvable but until such time as I reach that conclusion I shall > attempt to figure this out. > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris > Fields > Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2014 7:50 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] IE11 - I need cookies enabled > > It sure sounds like one of those moments when the machinery has something > stuck in its craw. Everything says it's correct, but it doesn't work. Isn't > that when we back everything out - everything that could be involved - maybe > use a restore point - reboot the system - and start over? The fact that the > other machine with the same configuration works, definitely points to > stuck-in-the-craw situation, doesn't it? As I recall from engineering > school, the image of Hell is a fine modern mechanical room, filled with the > newest and best machines, all of which are in perfect working condition - > and nothing works. :-) TNF > > Tina Norris Fields > tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com > 231-322-2787 > > On 12/2/2014 12:15 AM, John R Bartow wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> I have a check scanner device that must use IE 11 (because its run by >> an Active X control) and must have cookies enabled for the website >> that it interacts with. >> >> >> >> I have tried everything I can think of to get the cookies enabled but >> the website always states that the cookies are enabled. I even >> uninstalled all security this evening in an attempt. Odd thing is that >> I have another machine across the hall, with essentially the same >> configuration, that it works with. >> >> >> >> Any ideas? >> >> >> >> John B >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From jbartow at winhaven.net Wed Dec 3 00:20:49 2014 From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2014 00:20:49 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] IE11 - I need cookies enabled In-Reply-To: <547E08E8.6050308@torchlake.com> References: <015e01d00dee$f4654740$dd2fd5c0$@winhaven.net> <547DC381.1040007@torchlake.com> <012f01d00e54$8befe1a0$a3cfa4e0$@winhaven.net> <547E08E8.6050308@torchlake.com> Message-ID: <011f01d00ec1$487ea240$d97be6c0$@winhaven.net> This is a check scanner for bank deposits. Its only purpose is to scan checks into an image uploaded to the bank via an active x control. I personally have an Epson GT-S50 which scans everything from legal to business cards, quit nicely. I haven't set up a Neat Scanner yet but some of the agents in one my client offices were all talking about getting each one for Christmas. I have a feeling I'll be setting some up :-p For the most the software is what makes or breaks most scanners. Break as in its sits there unused because it's too much of a hassle to use. Most of them come with some sort of organizer like PaperPort. IIRC Neat has its own organizer software. I think you'll enjoy it :-) -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris Fields Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2014 12:46 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] IE11 - I need cookies enabled For my edification, what scanner is it? I am planning to put a small scanner on my desk, to organize my receipts and business cards especially. I bought a Neat Desk scanner, which is still in its box until I get around to it. So, I'm checking - so that I can benefit from whatever you discover. TNF Tina Norris Fields tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com 231-322-2787 On 12/2/2014 12:22 PM, John R Bartow wrote: > Hi Tina, > Yes I think this is 'machinery hell'. I just about begged the owner > not to do this but as all unheeded advice tends to go, he will pay for > that disregard. I typically would try a system restore but this > machine is so complicated, and everything else is working perfectly, so I hate to do that. > And in the end, what do I learn from it? ;-) I know there are > situations that are unresolvable but until such time as I reach that > conclusion I shall attempt to figure this out. > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina > Norris Fields > Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2014 7:50 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] IE11 - I need cookies enabled > > It sure sounds like one of those moments when the machinery has > something stuck in its craw. Everything says it's correct, but it > doesn't work. Isn't that when we back everything out - everything > that could be involved - maybe use a restore point - reboot the system > - and start over? The fact that the other machine with the same > configuration works, definitely points to stuck-in-the-craw situation, > doesn't it? As I recall from engineering school, the image of Hell is > a fine modern mechanical room, filled with the newest and best > machines, all of which are in perfect working condition - and nothing > works. :-) TNF > > Tina Norris Fields > tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com > 231-322-2787 > > On 12/2/2014 12:15 AM, John R Bartow wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> I have a check scanner device that must use IE 11 (because its run by >> an Active X control) and must have cookies enabled for the website >> that it interacts with. >> >> >> >> I have tried everything I can think of to get the cookies enabled but >> the website always states that the cookies are enabled. I even >> uninstalled all security this evening in an attempt. Odd thing is >> that I have another machine across the hall, with essentially the >> same configuration, that it works with. >> >> >> >> Any ideas? >> >> >> >> John B >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jbartow at winhaven.net Wed Dec 3 22:00:18 2014 From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2014 22:00:18 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] IE11 - I need cookies enabled In-Reply-To: <011f01d00ec1$487ea240$d97be6c0$@winhaven.net> References: <015e01d00dee$f4654740$dd2fd5c0$@winhaven.net> <547DC381.1040007@torchlake.com> <012f01d00e54$8befe1a0$a3cfa4e0$@winhaven.net> <547E08E8.6050308@torchlake.com> <011f01d00ec1$487ea240$d97be6c0$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: <024001d00f76$d1bc23b0$75346b10$@winhaven.net> I ended up uninstalling IE11. Opening IE10 and voila' it worked! I reinstalled IE11 and it still worked - when compatibility mode was turned on. Odd - it doesn't have to be turned on in the other machine. So, I haven't learned much but I got it working. Totally unsatisfying. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John R Bartow Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2014 12:21 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] IE11 - I need cookies enabled Importance: High This is a check scanner for bank deposits. Its only purpose is to scan checks into an image uploaded to the bank via an active x control. I personally have an Epson GT-S50 which scans everything from legal to business cards, quit nicely. I haven't set up a Neat Scanner yet but some of the agents in one my client offices were all talking about getting each one for Christmas. I have a feeling I'll be setting some up :-p For the most the software is what makes or breaks most scanners. Break as in its sits there unused because it's too much of a hassle to use. Most of them come with some sort of organizer like PaperPort. IIRC Neat has its own organizer software. I think you'll enjoy it :-) -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris Fields Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2014 12:46 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] IE11 - I need cookies enabled For my edification, what scanner is it? I am planning to put a small scanner on my desk, to organize my receipts and business cards especially. I bought a Neat Desk scanner, which is still in its box until I get around to it. So, I'm checking - so that I can benefit from whatever you discover. TNF Tina Norris Fields tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com 231-322-2787 On 12/2/2014 12:22 PM, John R Bartow wrote: > Hi Tina, > Yes I think this is 'machinery hell'. I just about begged the owner > not to do this but as all unheeded advice tends to go, he will pay for > that disregard. I typically would try a system restore but this > machine is so complicated, and everything else is working perfectly, > so I hate to do that. > And in the end, what do I learn from it? ;-) I know there are > situations that are unresolvable but until such time as I reach that > conclusion I shall attempt to figure this out. > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina > Norris Fields > Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2014 7:50 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] IE11 - I need cookies enabled > > It sure sounds like one of those moments when the machinery has > something stuck in its craw. Everything says it's correct, but it > doesn't work. Isn't that when we back everything out - everything > that could be involved - maybe use a restore point - reboot the system > - and start over? The fact that the other machine with the same > configuration works, definitely points to stuck-in-the-craw situation, > doesn't it? As I recall from engineering school, the image of Hell is > a fine modern mechanical room, filled with the newest and best > machines, all of which are in perfect working condition - and nothing > works. :-) TNF > > Tina Norris Fields > tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com > 231-322-2787 > > On 12/2/2014 12:15 AM, John R Bartow wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> I have a check scanner device that must use IE 11 (because its run by >> an Active X control) and must have cookies enabled for the website >> that it interacts with. >> >> >> >> I have tried everything I can think of to get the cookies enabled but >> the website always states that the cookies are enabled. I even >> uninstalled all security this evening in an attempt. Odd thing is >> that I have another machine across the hall, with essentially the >> same configuration, that it works with. >> >> >> >> Any ideas? >> >> >> >> John B >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From tinanfields at torchlake.com Thu Dec 4 09:34:32 2014 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2014 10:34:32 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] IE11 - I need cookies enabled In-Reply-To: <024001d00f76$d1bc23b0$75346b10$@winhaven.net> References: <015e01d00dee$f4654740$dd2fd5c0$@winhaven.net> <547DC381.1040007@torchlake.com> <012f01d00e54$8befe1a0$a3cfa4e0$@winhaven.net> <547E08E8.6050308@torchlake.com> <011f01d00ec1$487ea240$d97be6c0$@winhaven.net> <024001d00f76$d1bc23b0$75346b10$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: <54807F08.30401@torchlake.com> So, we still don't know exactly WHY it refused to work before. It sounds more and more like one of those 'something-stuck-in-its-craw' episodes, where some bit gets flipped - possibly by a momentary power sag, or a nano-second conflict between two applications, or whatever - and the corruption just stays forever. Dang! I wish there were a nice piece of software that give us a quick (and understandable) read-out of what happened. Glad you got it working. Yay! TNF Tina Norris Fields tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com 231-322-2787 On 12/3/2014 11:00 PM, John R Bartow wrote: > I ended up uninstalling IE11. Opening IE10 and voila' it worked! I > reinstalled IE11 and it still worked - when compatibility mode was turned > on. Odd - it doesn't have to be turned on in the other machine. So, I > haven't learned much but I got it working. Totally unsatisfying. > > From accessd at shaw.ca Sat Dec 6 01:58:08 2014 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2014 00:58:08 -0700 (MST) Subject: [dba-Tech] IE11 - I need cookies enabled In-Reply-To: <012f01d00e54$8befe1a0$a3cfa4e0$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: <192223533.64225356.1417852688070.JavaMail.root@cds018> I understand your pain. I always feel much more comfortable when I can easily get at the core of a system...when things go really wrong the command prompt is the only recourse. The solution is usually slow but in the GUI everything tends to nicely insulate any problem and when an error does appear it usually explains the GUI and not the command error. I will assume you have Googled the error to infinitum as setting cookies in IE11 should be real simple... Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "John R Bartow" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Tuesday, December 2, 2014 9:22:27 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] IE11 - I need cookies enabled Hi Tina, Yes I think this is 'machinery hell'. I just about begged the owner not to do this but as all unheeded advice tends to go, he will pay for that disregard. I typically would try a system restore but this machine is so complicated, and everything else is working perfectly, so I hate to do that. And in the end, what do I learn from it? ;-) I know there are situations that are unresolvable but until such time as I reach that conclusion I shall attempt to figure this out. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris Fields Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2014 7:50 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] IE11 - I need cookies enabled It sure sounds like one of those moments when the machinery has something stuck in its craw. Everything says it's correct, but it doesn't work. Isn't that when we back everything out - everything that could be involved - maybe use a restore point - reboot the system - and start over? The fact that the other machine with the same configuration works, definitely points to stuck-in-the-craw situation, doesn't it? As I recall from engineering school, the image of Hell is a fine modern mechanical room, filled with the newest and best machines, all of which are in perfect working condition - and nothing works. :-) TNF Tina Norris Fields tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com 231-322-2787 On 12/2/2014 12:15 AM, John R Bartow wrote: > Hi all, > > I have a check scanner device that must use IE 11 (because its run by > an Active X control) and must have cookies enabled for the website > that it interacts with. > > > > I have tried everything I can think of to get the cookies enabled but > the website always states that the cookies are enabled. I even > uninstalled all security this evening in an attempt. Odd thing is that > I have another machine across the hall, with essentially the same > configuration, that it works with. > > > > Any ideas? > > > > John B > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Sat Dec 6 14:35:35 2014 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2014 13:35:35 -0700 (MST) Subject: [dba-Tech] IE11 - I need cookies enabled In-Reply-To: <011f01d00ec1$487ea240$d97be6c0$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: <638936502.64643458.1417898135873.JavaMail.root@cds018> What scanner would you recommend. We use to had an excellent HP flat-bed multi-pass scanner...all with glass optics. It would produce beautiful results but when it quit the HP was not fixable. We have been looking at the Epson V700...it is supposed to have a "infra-red" multi-scan mode which will isolate and remove picture dust and imperfections.(?) Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "John R Bartow" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Tuesday, December 2, 2014 10:20:49 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] IE11 - I need cookies enabled This is a check scanner for bank deposits. Its only purpose is to scan checks into an image uploaded to the bank via an active x control. I personally have an Epson GT-S50 which scans everything from legal to business cards, quit nicely. I haven't set up a Neat Scanner yet but some of the agents in one my client offices were all talking about getting each one for Christmas. I have a feeling I'll be setting some up :-p For the most the software is what makes or breaks most scanners. Break as in its sits there unused because it's too much of a hassle to use. Most of them come with some sort of organizer like PaperPort. IIRC Neat has its own organizer software. I think you'll enjoy it :-) -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris Fields Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2014 12:46 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] IE11 - I need cookies enabled For my edification, what scanner is it? I am planning to put a small scanner on my desk, to organize my receipts and business cards especially. I bought a Neat Desk scanner, which is still in its box until I get around to it. So, I'm checking - so that I can benefit from whatever you discover. TNF Tina Norris Fields tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com 231-322-2787 On 12/2/2014 12:22 PM, John R Bartow wrote: > Hi Tina, > Yes I think this is 'machinery hell'. I just about begged the owner > not to do this but as all unheeded advice tends to go, he will pay for > that disregard. I typically would try a system restore but this > machine is so complicated, and everything else is working perfectly, so I hate to do that. > And in the end, what do I learn from it? ;-) I know there are > situations that are unresolvable but until such time as I reach that > conclusion I shall attempt to figure this out. > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina > Norris Fields > Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2014 7:50 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] IE11 - I need cookies enabled > > It sure sounds like one of those moments when the machinery has > something stuck in its craw. Everything says it's correct, but it > doesn't work. Isn't that when we back everything out - everything > that could be involved - maybe use a restore point - reboot the system > - and start over? The fact that the other machine with the same > configuration works, definitely points to stuck-in-the-craw situation, > doesn't it? As I recall from engineering school, the image of Hell is > a fine modern mechanical room, filled with the newest and best > machines, all of which are in perfect working condition - and nothing > works. :-) TNF > > Tina Norris Fields > tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com > 231-322-2787 > > On 12/2/2014 12:15 AM, John R Bartow wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> I have a check scanner device that must use IE 11 (because its run by >> an Active X control) and must have cookies enabled for the website >> that it interacts with. >> >> >> >> I have tried everything I can think of to get the cookies enabled but >> the website always states that the cookies are enabled. I even >> uninstalled all security this evening in an attempt. Odd thing is >> that I have another machine across the hall, with essentially the >> same configuration, that it works with. >> >> >> >> Any ideas? >> >> >> >> John B >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Sat Dec 6 16:59:02 2014 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2014 15:59:02 -0700 (MST) Subject: [dba-Tech] IE11 - I need cookies enabled In-Reply-To: <024001d00f76$d1bc23b0$75346b10$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: <1190460141.64710014.1417906742602.JavaMail.root@cds018> I wish Microsoft would stop hiring coop students to do all their programming on IE. Great job. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "John R Bartow" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Wednesday, December 3, 2014 8:00:18 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] IE11 - I need cookies enabled I ended up uninstalling IE11. Opening IE10 and voila' it worked! I reinstalled IE11 and it still worked - when compatibility mode was turned on. Odd - it doesn't have to be turned on in the other machine. So, I haven't learned much but I got it working. Totally unsatisfying. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John R Bartow Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2014 12:21 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] IE11 - I need cookies enabled Importance: High This is a check scanner for bank deposits. Its only purpose is to scan checks into an image uploaded to the bank via an active x control. I personally have an Epson GT-S50 which scans everything from legal to business cards, quit nicely. I haven't set up a Neat Scanner yet but some of the agents in one my client offices were all talking about getting each one for Christmas. I have a feeling I'll be setting some up :-p For the most the software is what makes or breaks most scanners. Break as in its sits there unused because it's too much of a hassle to use. Most of them come with some sort of organizer like PaperPort. IIRC Neat has its own organizer software. I think you'll enjoy it :-) -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris Fields Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2014 12:46 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] IE11 - I need cookies enabled For my edification, what scanner is it? I am planning to put a small scanner on my desk, to organize my receipts and business cards especially. I bought a Neat Desk scanner, which is still in its box until I get around to it. So, I'm checking - so that I can benefit from whatever you discover. TNF Tina Norris Fields tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com 231-322-2787 On 12/2/2014 12:22 PM, John R Bartow wrote: > Hi Tina, > Yes I think this is 'machinery hell'. I just about begged the owner > not to do this but as all unheeded advice tends to go, he will pay for > that disregard. I typically would try a system restore but this > machine is so complicated, and everything else is working perfectly, > so I hate to do that. > And in the end, what do I learn from it? ;-) I know there are > situations that are unresolvable but until such time as I reach that > conclusion I shall attempt to figure this out. > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina > Norris Fields > Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2014 7:50 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] IE11 - I need cookies enabled > > It sure sounds like one of those moments when the machinery has > something stuck in its craw. Everything says it's correct, but it > doesn't work. Isn't that when we back everything out - everything > that could be involved - maybe use a restore point - reboot the system > - and start over? The fact that the other machine with the same > configuration works, definitely points to stuck-in-the-craw situation, > doesn't it? As I recall from engineering school, the image of Hell is > a fine modern mechanical room, filled with the newest and best > machines, all of which are in perfect working condition - and nothing > works. :-) TNF > > Tina Norris Fields > tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com > 231-322-2787 > > On 12/2/2014 12:15 AM, John R Bartow wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> I have a check scanner device that must use IE 11 (because its run by >> an Active X control) and must have cookies enabled for the website >> that it interacts with. >> >> >> >> I have tried everything I can think of to get the cookies enabled but >> the website always states that the cookies are enabled. I even >> uninstalled all security this evening in an attempt. Odd thing is >> that I have another machine across the hall, with essentially the >> same configuration, that it works with. >> >> >> >> Any ideas? >> >> >> >> John B >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Sun Dec 7 00:02:01 2014 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2014 23:02:01 -0700 (MST) Subject: [dba-Tech] Transitioning from Windows to Linux Administration: A guide for newcomers In-Reply-To: <0aac01d00b3b$f89f4d70$e9dde850$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: <1687880417.64877324.1417932121607.JavaMail.root@cds018> For those who might be interested in doing or just knowing, the following link should be of some interest. http://www.techproresearch.com/downloads/transitioning-from-windows-to-linux-administration-a-guide-for-newcomers/?tag=nl.e099&s_cid=e099&ttag=e099&ftag=TREd8c0fa8 Jim From gustav at cactus.dk Sun Dec 7 03:49:52 2014 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2014 09:49:52 +0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] IE11 - I need cookies enabled In-Reply-To: <1190460141.64710014.1417906742602.JavaMail.root@cds018> References: <024001d00f76$d1bc23b0$75346b10$@winhaven.net>, <1190460141.64710014.1417906742602.JavaMail.root@cds018> Message-ID: <1417945791892.6390@cactus.dk> Hi Jim That is hardly so. Anyway, we have very few issues with IE11 and I use it exclusively, and with the free ABP Adblock Plus it is very speedy. The worst issues I've seen - typically related to Java or Javascript - have been solved by resetting IE to default. /gustav ________________________________________ Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com p? vegne af Jim Lawrence Sendt: 6. december 2014 23:59 Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] IE11 - I need cookies enabled I wish Microsoft would stop hiring coop students to do all their programming on IE. Great job. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "John R Bartow" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Wednesday, December 3, 2014 8:00:18 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] IE11 - I need cookies enabled I ended up uninstalling IE11. Opening IE10 and voila' it worked! I reinstalled IE11 and it still worked - when compatibility mode was turned on. Odd - it doesn't have to be turned on in the other machine. So, I haven't learned much but I got it working. Totally unsatisfying. From hans.andersen at phulse.com Sun Dec 7 05:53:18 2014 From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen) Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2014 03:53:18 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] IE11 - I need cookies enabled In-Reply-To: <1417945791892.6390@cactus.dk> References: <024001d00f76$d1bc23b0$75346b10$@winhaven.net> <1190460141.64710014.1417906742602.JavaMail.root@cds018> <1417945791892.6390@cactus.dk> Message-ID: <6F74C891-0D62-4F11-B716-2504BDE6E911@phulse.com> Just want to point out that issues relating to JavaScript are IE's responsibility as it is their JS engine. When it comes to Java, on the other hand, then it is legitimately some one else's fault. Flash included etc. - Hans > On Dec 7, 2014, at 1:49 AM, Gustav Brock wrote: > > Hi Jim > > That is hardly so. > > Anyway, we have very few issues with IE11 and I use it exclusively, and with the free ABP Adblock Plus it is very speedy. > The worst issues I've seen - typically related to Java or Javascript - have been solved by resetting IE to default. > > /gustav > ________________________________________ > Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com p? vegne af Jim Lawrence > Sendt: 6. december 2014 23:59 > Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] IE11 - I need cookies enabled > > I wish Microsoft would stop hiring coop students to do all their programming on IE. > > Great job. > > Jim > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John R Bartow" > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > Sent: Wednesday, December 3, 2014 8:00:18 PM > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] IE11 - I need cookies enabled > > I ended up uninstalling IE11. Opening IE10 and voila' it worked! I > reinstalled IE11 and it still worked - when compatibility mode was turned > on. Odd - it doesn't have to be turned on in the other machine. So, I > haven't learned much but I got it working. Totally unsatisfying. > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jbartow at winhaven.net Sun Dec 7 17:15:02 2014 From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow) Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2014 17:15:02 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] IE11 - I need cookies enabled In-Reply-To: <638936502.64643458.1417898135873.JavaMail.root@cds018> References: <011f01d00ec1$487ea240$d97be6c0$@winhaven.net> <638936502.64643458.1417898135873.JavaMail.root@cds018> Message-ID: <004301d01273$a1168110$e3438330$@winhaven.net> There are a wide array of scanners available for different uses and I wouldn't claim to know which is best for each. For intensive business document scanning can't go wrong with a Fujitsu high end scanner. However they are not cheap. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2014 2:36 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] IE11 - I need cookies enabled What scanner would you recommend. We use to had an excellent HP flat-bed multi-pass scanner...all with glass optics. It would produce beautiful results but when it quit the HP was not fixable. We have been looking at the Epson V700...it is supposed to have a "infra-red" multi-scan mode which will isolate and remove picture dust and imperfections.(?) Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "John R Bartow" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Tuesday, December 2, 2014 10:20:49 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] IE11 - I need cookies enabled This is a check scanner for bank deposits. Its only purpose is to scan checks into an image uploaded to the bank via an active x control. I personally have an Epson GT-S50 which scans everything from legal to business cards, quit nicely. I haven't set up a Neat Scanner yet but some of the agents in one my client offices were all talking about getting each one for Christmas. I have a feeling I'll be setting some up :-p For the most the software is what makes or breaks most scanners. Break as in its sits there unused because it's too much of a hassle to use. Most of them come with some sort of organizer like PaperPort. IIRC Neat has its own organizer software. I think you'll enjoy it :-) -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris Fields Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2014 12:46 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] IE11 - I need cookies enabled For my edification, what scanner is it? I am planning to put a small scanner on my desk, to organize my receipts and business cards especially. I bought a Neat Desk scanner, which is still in its box until I get around to it. So, I'm checking - so that I can benefit from whatever you discover. TNF Tina Norris Fields tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com 231-322-2787 On 12/2/2014 12:22 PM, John R Bartow wrote: > Hi Tina, > Yes I think this is 'machinery hell'. I just about begged the owner > not to do this but as all unheeded advice tends to go, he will pay for > that disregard. I typically would try a system restore but this > machine is so complicated, and everything else is working perfectly, > so I hate to do that. > And in the end, what do I learn from it? ;-) I know there are > situations that are unresolvable but until such time as I reach that > conclusion I shall attempt to figure this out. > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina > Norris Fields > Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2014 7:50 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] IE11 - I need cookies enabled > > It sure sounds like one of those moments when the machinery has > something stuck in its craw. Everything says it's correct, but it > doesn't work. Isn't that when we back everything out - everything > that could be involved - maybe use a restore point - reboot the system > - and start over? The fact that the other machine with the same > configuration works, definitely points to stuck-in-the-craw situation, > doesn't it? As I recall from engineering school, the image of Hell is > a fine modern mechanical room, filled with the newest and best > machines, all of which are in perfect working condition - and nothing > works. :-) TNF > > Tina Norris Fields > tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com > 231-322-2787 > > On 12/2/2014 12:15 AM, John R Bartow wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> I have a check scanner device that must use IE 11 (because its run by >> an Active X control) and must have cookies enabled for the website >> that it interacts with. >> >> >> >> I have tried everything I can think of to get the cookies enabled but >> the website always states that the cookies are enabled. I even >> uninstalled all security this evening in an attempt. Odd thing is >> that I have another machine across the hall, with essentially the >> same configuration, that it works with. >> >> >> >> Any ideas? >> >> >> >> John B >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Dec 8 01:15:43 2014 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2014 00:15:43 -0700 (MST) Subject: [dba-Tech] IE11 - I need cookies enabled In-Reply-To: <004301d01273$a1168110$e3438330$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: <1623932382.65531550.1418022943771.JavaMail.root@cds018> I am still looking. I would like something under 1K. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "John R Bartow" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Sunday, December 7, 2014 3:15:02 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] IE11 - I need cookies enabled There are a wide array of scanners available for different uses and I wouldn't claim to know which is best for each. For intensive business document scanning can't go wrong with a Fujitsu high end scanner. However they are not cheap. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2014 2:36 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] IE11 - I need cookies enabled What scanner would you recommend. We use to had an excellent HP flat-bed multi-pass scanner...all with glass optics. It would produce beautiful results but when it quit the HP was not fixable. We have been looking at the Epson V700...it is supposed to have a "infra-red" multi-scan mode which will isolate and remove picture dust and imperfections.(?) Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "John R Bartow" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Tuesday, December 2, 2014 10:20:49 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] IE11 - I need cookies enabled This is a check scanner for bank deposits. Its only purpose is to scan checks into an image uploaded to the bank via an active x control. I personally have an Epson GT-S50 which scans everything from legal to business cards, quit nicely. I haven't set up a Neat Scanner yet but some of the agents in one my client offices were all talking about getting each one for Christmas. I have a feeling I'll be setting some up :-p For the most the software is what makes or breaks most scanners. Break as in its sits there unused because it's too much of a hassle to use. Most of them come with some sort of organizer like PaperPort. IIRC Neat has its own organizer software. I think you'll enjoy it :-) -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris Fields Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2014 12:46 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] IE11 - I need cookies enabled For my edification, what scanner is it? I am planning to put a small scanner on my desk, to organize my receipts and business cards especially. I bought a Neat Desk scanner, which is still in its box until I get around to it. So, I'm checking - so that I can benefit from whatever you discover. TNF Tina Norris Fields tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com 231-322-2787 On 12/2/2014 12:22 PM, John R Bartow wrote: > Hi Tina, > Yes I think this is 'machinery hell'. I just about begged the owner > not to do this but as all unheeded advice tends to go, he will pay for > that disregard. I typically would try a system restore but this > machine is so complicated, and everything else is working perfectly, > so I hate to do that. > And in the end, what do I learn from it? ;-) I know there are > situations that are unresolvable but until such time as I reach that > conclusion I shall attempt to figure this out. > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina > Norris Fields > Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2014 7:50 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] IE11 - I need cookies enabled > > It sure sounds like one of those moments when the machinery has > something stuck in its craw. Everything says it's correct, but it > doesn't work. Isn't that when we back everything out - everything > that could be involved - maybe use a restore point - reboot the system > - and start over? The fact that the other machine with the same > configuration works, definitely points to stuck-in-the-craw situation, > doesn't it? As I recall from engineering school, the image of Hell is > a fine modern mechanical room, filled with the newest and best > machines, all of which are in perfect working condition - and nothing > works. :-) TNF > > Tina Norris Fields > tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com > 231-322-2787 > > On 12/2/2014 12:15 AM, John R Bartow wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> I have a check scanner device that must use IE 11 (because its run by >> an Active X control) and must have cookies enabled for the website >> that it interacts with. >> >> >> >> I have tried everything I can think of to get the cookies enabled but >> the website always states that the cookies are enabled. I even >> uninstalled all security this evening in an attempt. Odd thing is >> that I have another machine across the hall, with essentially the >> same configuration, that it works with. >> >> >> >> Any ideas? >> >> >> >> John B >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From gustav at cactus.dk Mon Dec 8 02:21:03 2014 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2014 08:21:03 +0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Scanner (was: IE11 - I need cookies enabled) Message-ID: Hi Jim We have tested one of the small IRIScan Anywhere3 portable scanners. It worked quite well. Part of the success is the high-quality OCR software, ReadIris, that comes with it. I've found that just about all free or low-cost OCR software is not worth the efforts - indeed not for non-English languages - so you have to pay for any serious implementation. The bundled ReadIris is a single user tool. Workgroup and server editions are available too. I would love a solution where you drop a scanned document to a folder and by magic an OCR engine extracts the text to another file. The smart thing with ReadIris is, that the OCR engine can save the text hidden behind the scanned image. This means that while you are looking at the scanned document, you can select text with the mouse for copy and paste like if you had a, say, Word document open. Very clever. /gustav -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Jim Lawrence Sendt: 8. december 2014 08:16 Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] IE11 - I need cookies enabled I am still looking. I would like something under 1K. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "John R Bartow" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Sunday, December 7, 2014 3:15:02 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] IE11 - I need cookies enabled There are a wide array of scanners available for different uses and I wouldn't claim to know which is best for each. For intensive business document scanning can't go wrong with a Fujitsu high end scanner. However they are not cheap. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2014 2:36 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] IE11 - I need cookies enabled What scanner would you recommend. We use to had an excellent HP flat-bed multi-pass scanner...all with glass optics. It would produce beautiful results but when it quit the HP was not fixable. We have been looking at the Epson V700...it is supposed to have a "infra-red" multi-scan mode which will isolate and remove picture dust and imperfections.(?) Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "John R Bartow" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Tuesday, December 2, 2014 10:20:49 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] IE11 - I need cookies enabled This is a check scanner for bank deposits. Its only purpose is to scan checks into an image uploaded to the bank via an active x control. I personally have an Epson GT-S50 which scans everything from legal to business cards, quit nicely. I haven't set up a Neat Scanner yet but some of the agents in one my client offices were all talking about getting each one for Christmas. I have a feeling I'll be setting some up :-p For the most the software is what makes or breaks most scanners. Break as in its sits there unused because it's too much of a hassle to use. Most of them come with some sort of organizer like PaperPort. IIRC Neat has its own organizer software. I think you'll enjoy it :-) -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris Fields Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2014 12:46 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] IE11 - I need cookies enabled For my edification, what scanner is it? I am planning to put a small scanner on my desk, to organize my receipts and business cards especially. I bought a Neat Desk scanner, which is still in its box until I get around to it. So, I'm checking - so that I can benefit from whatever you discover. TNF Tina Norris Fields tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com 231-322-2787 From gustav at cactus.dk Mon Dec 8 04:07:48 2014 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2014 10:07:48 +0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Program Manager (Fences) for Win7 Message-ID: Hi all Some of my fellow users use WinXP virtual machines to run a bunch of applications. These are so many that I've used the good ol' PROGMAN.EXE of Windows 3.11/Windows 95 to keep the shortcuts organized. But these WinXP VMs are about to be phased out and replaced by Win7. Program Manager doesn't run on Win7 (a hack exists but that is beyond what I'll deal with). So I've looked for alternatives. I've found Stardock Fences. But it attacks the Desktop itself which is not so well. Further, a bug exists that if you create folders in folders (which you have to to mimic Program Manager), the background of these "folder portals" are black if running in a terminal session. Also, you can't minimize the fences/windows which means you have to move them around all the time. So could anyone recommend an alternative? Nothing fancy is needed beyond the basic features of the original Program Manager. /gustav From Lambert.Heenan at aig.com Mon Dec 8 08:44:28 2014 From: Lambert.Heenan at aig.com (Heenan, Lambert) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2014 14:44:28 +0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Program Manager (Fences) for Win7 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: What about just creating a new toolbar folder? Right-click the taskbar and select Toolbars/New Toolbar. Unlike XP, with Win 7 it seems such toolbars cannot be dragged onto the desktop, they are trapped on the taskbar, but it's still a fairly good way to organize some shortcuts. Lambert -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Monday, December 08, 2014 5:08 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Program Manager (Fences) for Win7 Hi all Some of my fellow users use WinXP virtual machines to run a bunch of applications. These are so many that I've used the good ol' PROGMAN.EXE of Windows 3.11/Windows 95 to keep the shortcuts organized. But these WinXP VMs are about to be phased out and replaced by Win7. Program Manager doesn't run on Win7 (a hack exists but that is beyond what I'll deal with). So I've looked for alternatives. I've found Stardock Fences. But it attacks the Desktop itself which is not so well. Further, a bug exists that if you create folders in folders (which you have to to mimic Program Manager), the background of these "folder portals" are black if running in a terminal session. Also, you can't minimize the fences/windows which means you have to move them around all the time. So could anyone recommend an alternative? Nothing fancy is needed beyond the basic features of the original Program Manager. /gustav _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jbartow at winhaven.net Mon Dec 8 11:17:48 2014 From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2014 11:17:48 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Program Manager (Fences) for Win7 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <01ab01d0130a$e4358da0$aca0a8e0$@winhaven.net> Hi Gustav, I must confess that I have no idea what you are doing with progman.exe that windows explorer couldn't replicate. Could you please explain further? John -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Monday, December 08, 2014 4:08 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Program Manager (Fences) for Win7 Hi all Some of my fellow users use WinXP virtual machines to run a bunch of applications. These are so many that I've used the good ol' PROGMAN.EXE of Windows 3.11/Windows 95 to keep the shortcuts organized. But these WinXP VMs are about to be phased out and replaced by Win7. Program Manager doesn't run on Win7 (a hack exists but that is beyond what I'll deal with). So I've looked for alternatives. I've found Stardock Fences. But it attacks the Desktop itself which is not so well. Further, a bug exists that if you create folders in folders (which you have to to mimic Program Manager), the background of these "folder portals" are black if running in a terminal session. Also, you can't minimize the fences/windows which means you have to move them around all the time. So could anyone recommend an alternative? Nothing fancy is needed beyond the basic features of the original Program Manager. /gustav _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jbartow at winhaven.net Mon Dec 8 11:17:48 2014 From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2014 11:17:48 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] IE11 - I need cookies enabled In-Reply-To: <1623932382.65531550.1418022943771.JavaMail.root@cds018> References: <004301d01273$a1168110$e3438330$@winhaven.net> <1623932382.65531550.1418022943771.JavaMail.root@cds018> Message-ID: Hi Jim, The big difference between higher end document scanners, such as the Fujitsu and typical consumer scanners such as flatbeds or all in one devices with document feeders is the speed. Previous to my Epson document scanner I had a very nice HP all in one device that scan extremely well. The printer part went bad and I decided to not be held up in all functions by an all-in one failing on one aspect again. Hence my purchase of the stand-alone Epson scanner. Its scanning scanner quality is better than the all in one and it scans at many times the speed. It does everything from business card to legal sized sheets but, of course, cannot scan books or portions of large sheets like a flatbed scanner. John -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Monday, December 08, 2014 1:16 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] IE11 - I need cookies enabled I am still looking. I would like something under 1K. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "John R Bartow" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Sunday, December 7, 2014 3:15:02 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] IE11 - I need cookies enabled There are a wide array of scanners available for different uses and I wouldn't claim to know which is best for each. For intensive business document scanning can't go wrong with a Fujitsu high end scanner. However they are not cheap. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2014 2:36 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] IE11 - I need cookies enabled What scanner would you recommend. We use to had an excellent HP flat-bed multi-pass scanner...all with glass optics. It would produce beautiful results but when it quit the HP was not fixable. We have been looking at the Epson V700...it is supposed to have a "infra-red" multi-scan mode which will isolate and remove picture dust and imperfections.(?) Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "John R Bartow" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Tuesday, December 2, 2014 10:20:49 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] IE11 - I need cookies enabled This is a check scanner for bank deposits. Its only purpose is to scan checks into an image uploaded to the bank via an active x control. I personally have an Epson GT-S50 which scans everything from legal to business cards, quit nicely. I haven't set up a Neat Scanner yet but some of the agents in one my client offices were all talking about getting each one for Christmas. I have a feeling I'll be setting some up :-p For the most the software is what makes or breaks most scanners. Break as in its sits there unused because it's too much of a hassle to use. Most of them come with some sort of organizer like PaperPort. IIRC Neat has its own organizer software. I think you'll enjoy it :-) -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris Fields Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2014 12:46 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] IE11 - I need cookies enabled For my edification, what scanner is it? I am planning to put a small scanner on my desk, to organize my receipts and business cards especially. I bought a Neat Desk scanner, which is still in its box until I get around to it. So, I'm checking - so that I can benefit from whatever you discover. TNF Tina Norris Fields tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com 231-322-2787 On 12/2/2014 12:22 PM, John R Bartow wrote: > Hi Tina, > Yes I think this is 'machinery hell'. I just about begged the owner > not to do this but as all unheeded advice tends to go, he will pay for > that disregard. I typically would try a system restore but this > machine is so complicated, and everything else is working perfectly, > so I hate to do that. > And in the end, what do I learn from it? ;-) I know there are > situations that are unresolvable but until such time as I reach that > conclusion I shall attempt to figure this out. > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina > Norris Fields > Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2014 7:50 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] IE11 - I need cookies enabled > > It sure sounds like one of those moments when the machinery has > something stuck in its craw. Everything says it's correct, but it > doesn't work. Isn't that when we back everything out - everything > that could be involved - maybe use a restore point - reboot the system > - and start over? The fact that the other machine with the same > configuration works, definitely points to stuck-in-the-craw situation, > doesn't it? As I recall from engineering school, the image of Hell is > a fine modern mechanical room, filled with the newest and best > machines, all of which are in perfect working condition - and nothing > works. :-) TNF > > Tina Norris Fields > tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com > 231-322-2787 > > On 12/2/2014 12:15 AM, John R Bartow wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> I have a check scanner device that must use IE 11 (because its run by >> an Active X control) and must have cookies enabled for the website >> that it interacts with. >> >> >> >> I have tried everything I can think of to get the cookies enabled but >> the website always states that the cookies are enabled. I even >> uninstalled all security this evening in an attempt. Odd thing is >> that I have another machine across the hall, with essentially the >> same configuration, that it works with. >> >> >> >> Any ideas? >> >> >> >> John B >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From gustav at cactus.dk Mon Dec 8 11:26:05 2014 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2014 17:26:05 +0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Program Manager (Fences) for Win7 Message-ID: Hi John You can collect shortcuts in groups (small windows) which live in a larger window (Program Manager): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Program_Manager My colleagues serve each perhaps 20 clients. Each client has a group and within this you can collect RDP shortcuts, local shortcuts, etc. Clients not in use are minimized. A good example of simple and productive design. /gustav -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af John R Bartow Sendt: 8. december 2014 18:18 Til: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Program Manager (Fences) for Win7 Prioritet: H?j Hi Gustav, I must confess that I have no idea what you are doing with progman.exe that windows explorer couldn't replicate. Could you please explain further? John -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Monday, December 08, 2014 4:08 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Program Manager (Fences) for Win7 Hi all Some of my fellow users use WinXP virtual machines to run a bunch of applications. These are so many that I've used the good ol' PROGMAN.EXE of Windows 3.11/Windows 95 to keep the shortcuts organized. But these WinXP VMs are about to be phased out and replaced by Win7. Program Manager doesn't run on Win7 (a hack exists but that is beyond what I'll deal with). So I've looked for alternatives. I've found Stardock Fences. But it attacks the Desktop itself which is not so well. Further, a bug exists that if you create folders in folders (which you have to to mimic Program Manager), the background of these "folder portals" are black if running in a terminal session. Also, you can't minimize the fences/windows which means you have to move them around all the time. So could anyone recommend an alternative? Nothing fancy is needed beyond the basic features of the original Program Manager. /gustav From gustav at cactus.dk Mon Dec 8 11:34:47 2014 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2014 17:34:47 +0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Program Manager (Fences) for Win7 Message-ID: Hi Lambert Great idea, though the users like the graphical layout of Program Manager. I did locate these pages: http://www.makeuseof.com/answers/can-you-recommend-a-free-alternative-to-fences-for-desktop-management-on-windows/ http://alternativeto.net/software/fences/ with a lot of suggestions. I checked out Nimi-Places which is way too complicated and XLaunchpad which crashed - so no cigar yet. /gustav -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Heenan, Lambert Sendt: 8. december 2014 15:44 Til: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Program Manager (Fences) for Win7 What about just creating a new toolbar folder? Right-click the taskbar and select Toolbars/New Toolbar. Unlike XP, with Win 7 it seems such toolbars cannot be dragged onto the desktop, they are trapped on the taskbar, but it's still a fairly good way to organize some shortcuts. Lambert -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Monday, December 08, 2014 5:08 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Program Manager (Fences) for Win7 Hi all Some of my fellow users use WinXP virtual machines to run a bunch of applications. These are so many that I've used the good ol' PROGMAN.EXE of Windows 3.11/Windows 95 to keep the shortcuts organized. But these WinXP VMs are about to be phased out and replaced by Win7. Program Manager doesn't run on Win7 (a hack exists but that is beyond what I'll deal with). So I've looked for alternatives. I've found Stardock Fences. But it attacks the Desktop itself which is not so well. Further, a bug exists that if you create folders in folders (which you have to to mimic Program Manager), the background of these "folder portals" are black if running in a terminal session. Also, you can't minimize the fences/windows which means you have to move them around all the time. So could anyone recommend an alternative? Nothing fancy is needed beyond the basic features of the original Program Manager. /gustav From jbartow at winhaven.net Mon Dec 8 12:30:26 2014 From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2014 12:30:26 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Program Manager (Fences) for Win7 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <01fc01d01315$09b9b1f0$1d2d15d0$@winhaven.net> Hi Gustav, Thank you for the clarification. I know of no other solution that would replicate this. One could set up a toolbar with links to each folder. Or one could set up a batch file to automatically open the Windows Explorer folders containing shortcuts to the VMs, minimized, and then use via the task bar. Either would take a work flow adjustment and it would seem that this would be the hurdle to acceptance. Best of Luck, John -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Monday, December 08, 2014 11:26 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Program Manager (Fences) for Win7 Hi John You can collect shortcuts in groups (small windows) which live in a larger window (Program Manager): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Program_Manager My colleagues serve each perhaps 20 clients. Each client has a group and within this you can collect RDP shortcuts, local shortcuts, etc. Clients not in use are minimized. A good example of simple and productive design. /gustav -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af John R Bartow Sendt: 8. december 2014 18:18 Til: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Program Manager (Fences) for Win7 Prioritet: H?j Hi Gustav, I must confess that I have no idea what you are doing with progman.exe that windows explorer couldn't replicate. Could you please explain further? John -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Monday, December 08, 2014 4:08 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Program Manager (Fences) for Win7 Hi all Some of my fellow users use WinXP virtual machines to run a bunch of applications. These are so many that I've used the good ol' PROGMAN.EXE of Windows 3.11/Windows 95 to keep the shortcuts organized. But these WinXP VMs are about to be phased out and replaced by Win7. Program Manager doesn't run on Win7 (a hack exists but that is beyond what I'll deal with). So I've looked for alternatives. I've found Stardock Fences. But it attacks the Desktop itself which is not so well. Further, a bug exists that if you create folders in folders (which you have to to mimic Program Manager), the background of these "folder portals" are black if running in a terminal session. Also, you can't minimize the fences/windows which means you have to move them around all the time. So could anyone recommend an alternative? Nothing fancy is needed beyond the basic features of the original Program Manager. /gustav _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Dec 8 23:47:16 2014 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2014 22:47:16 -0700 (MST) Subject: [dba-Tech] Scanner (was: IE11 - I need cookies enabled) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <261122705.66510958.1418104036700.JavaMail.root@cds018> Hi Gustav: Thanks for the heads up...I will do some further research. Aside: While working on a project for the government, a group of us did a two year contract scanning old paper documents...from image to text and stored the results on a central IBM system. The government's OCR system was totally automated, cost over 100K and batch processed day and night...someone had to be always on standby in case a page jammed. Was sure glad when that was over. What we want to be able to do with the scanner is to bring in very high quality old family photos, allowing us to further edit them in various graphic editing application. I think we have thousands, some dating back to the 1850s. It promises to be a very large project. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gustav Brock" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Monday, December 8, 2014 12:21:03 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Scanner (was: IE11 - I need cookies enabled) Hi Jim We have tested one of the small IRIScan Anywhere3 portable scanners. It worked quite well. Part of the success is the high-quality OCR software, ReadIris, that comes with it. I've found that just about all free or low-cost OCR software is not worth the efforts - indeed not for non-English languages - so you have to pay for any serious implementation. The bundled ReadIris is a single user tool. Workgroup and server editions are available too. I would love a solution where you drop a scanned document to a folder and by magic an OCR engine extracts the text to another file. The smart thing with ReadIris is, that the OCR engine can save the text hidden behind the scanned image. This means that while you are looking at the scanned document, you can select text with the mouse for copy and paste like if you had a, say, Word document open. Very clever. /gustav -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Jim Lawrence Sendt: 8. december 2014 08:16 Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] IE11 - I need cookies enabled I am still looking. I would like something under 1K. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "John R Bartow" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Sunday, December 7, 2014 3:15:02 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] IE11 - I need cookies enabled There are a wide array of scanners available for different uses and I wouldn't claim to know which is best for each. For intensive business document scanning can't go wrong with a Fujitsu high end scanner. However they are not cheap. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2014 2:36 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] IE11 - I need cookies enabled What scanner would you recommend. We use to had an excellent HP flat-bed multi-pass scanner...all with glass optics. It would produce beautiful results but when it quit the HP was not fixable. We have been looking at the Epson V700...it is supposed to have a "infra-red" multi-scan mode which will isolate and remove picture dust and imperfections.(?) Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "John R Bartow" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Tuesday, December 2, 2014 10:20:49 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] IE11 - I need cookies enabled This is a check scanner for bank deposits. Its only purpose is to scan checks into an image uploaded to the bank via an active x control. I personally have an Epson GT-S50 which scans everything from legal to business cards, quit nicely. I haven't set up a Neat Scanner yet but some of the agents in one my client offices were all talking about getting each one for Christmas. I have a feeling I'll be setting some up :-p For the most the software is what makes or breaks most scanners. Break as in its sits there unused because it's too much of a hassle to use. Most of them come with some sort of organizer like PaperPort. IIRC Neat has its own organizer software. I think you'll enjoy it :-) -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris Fields Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2014 12:46 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] IE11 - I need cookies enabled For my edification, what scanner is it? I am planning to put a small scanner on my desk, to organize my receipts and business cards especially. I bought a Neat Desk scanner, which is still in its box until I get around to it. So, I'm checking - so that I can benefit from whatever you discover. TNF Tina Norris Fields tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com 231-322-2787 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Tue Dec 9 01:20:37 2014 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2014 00:20:37 -0700 (MST) Subject: [dba-Tech] IE11 - I need cookies enabled In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1716396385.66542012.1418109637375.JavaMail.root@cds018> Hi John: I am looking for a scanner that can do high end quality photo reproductions. Since my, very expensive HP flatbed scanner, died, I have had to use my SLR camera. At very long exposures the RAW pictures produced are very good...far better than the current all-in-one units we have been using. The main issue is the time just to set a single and the subsequent processing needed. The built in scanners, even at their highest BPI, the grey scale, colours or crispness of the outlines are just not there. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "John R Bartow" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Monday, December 8, 2014 9:17:48 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] IE11 - I need cookies enabled Hi Jim, The big difference between higher end document scanners, such as the Fujitsu and typical consumer scanners such as flatbeds or all in one devices with document feeders is the speed. Previous to my Epson document scanner I had a very nice HP all in one device that scan extremely well. The printer part went bad and I decided to not be held up in all functions by an all-in one failing on one aspect again. Hence my purchase of the stand-alone Epson scanner. Its scanning scanner quality is better than the all in one and it scans at many times the speed. It does everything from business card to legal sized sheets but, of course, cannot scan books or portions of large sheets like a flatbed scanner. John -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Monday, December 08, 2014 1:16 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] IE11 - I need cookies enabled I am still looking. I would like something under 1K. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "John R Bartow" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Sunday, December 7, 2014 3:15:02 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] IE11 - I need cookies enabled There are a wide array of scanners available for different uses and I wouldn't claim to know which is best for each. For intensive business document scanning can't go wrong with a Fujitsu high end scanner. However they are not cheap. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2014 2:36 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] IE11 - I need cookies enabled What scanner would you recommend. We use to had an excellent HP flat-bed multi-pass scanner...all with glass optics. It would produce beautiful results but when it quit the HP was not fixable. We have been looking at the Epson V700...it is supposed to have a "infra-red" multi-scan mode which will isolate and remove picture dust and imperfections.(?) Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "John R Bartow" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Tuesday, December 2, 2014 10:20:49 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] IE11 - I need cookies enabled This is a check scanner for bank deposits. Its only purpose is to scan checks into an image uploaded to the bank via an active x control. I personally have an Epson GT-S50 which scans everything from legal to business cards, quit nicely. I haven't set up a Neat Scanner yet but some of the agents in one my client offices were all talking about getting each one for Christmas. I have a feeling I'll be setting some up :-p For the most the software is what makes or breaks most scanners. Break as in its sits there unused because it's too much of a hassle to use. Most of them come with some sort of organizer like PaperPort. IIRC Neat has its own organizer software. I think you'll enjoy it :-) -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris Fields Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2014 12:46 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] IE11 - I need cookies enabled For my edification, what scanner is it? I am planning to put a small scanner on my desk, to organize my receipts and business cards especially. I bought a Neat Desk scanner, which is still in its box until I get around to it. So, I'm checking - so that I can benefit from whatever you discover. TNF Tina Norris Fields tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com 231-322-2787 On 12/2/2014 12:22 PM, John R Bartow wrote: > Hi Tina, > Yes I think this is 'machinery hell'. I just about begged the owner > not to do this but as all unheeded advice tends to go, he will pay for > that disregard. I typically would try a system restore but this > machine is so complicated, and everything else is working perfectly, > so I hate to do that. > And in the end, what do I learn from it? ;-) I know there are > situations that are unresolvable but until such time as I reach that > conclusion I shall attempt to figure this out. > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina > Norris Fields > Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2014 7:50 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] IE11 - I need cookies enabled > > It sure sounds like one of those moments when the machinery has > something stuck in its craw. Everything says it's correct, but it > doesn't work. Isn't that when we back everything out - everything > that could be involved - maybe use a restore point - reboot the system > - and start over? The fact that the other machine with the same > configuration works, definitely points to stuck-in-the-craw situation, > doesn't it? As I recall from engineering school, the image of Hell is > a fine modern mechanical room, filled with the newest and best > machines, all of which are in perfect working condition - and nothing > works. :-) TNF > > Tina Norris Fields > tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com > 231-322-2787 > > On 12/2/2014 12:15 AM, John R Bartow wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> I have a check scanner device that must use IE 11 (because its run by >> an Active X control) and must have cookies enabled for the website >> that it interacts with. >> >> >> >> I have tried everything I can think of to get the cookies enabled but >> the website always states that the cookies are enabled. I even >> uninstalled all security this evening in an attempt. Odd thing is >> that I have another machine across the hall, with essentially the >> same configuration, that it works with. >> >> >> >> Any ideas? >> >> >> >> John B >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From tinanfields at torchlake.com Tue Dec 9 15:40:05 2014 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2014 16:40:05 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Bundled Adware in IE? Message-ID: <54876C35.9040208@torchlake.com> Hi, My sister just purchased a new Dell Latitude, with Win 8.1. Suddenly, pop-ups appeared all over IE, Firefox seemed to disappear and become Speed Browser, a bunch of icons appeared on her desktop that were unwelcome. I got into IE and found add-ons that were aggressive adware - at least a dozen of them - and their "disable" option was unavailable. I did finally get rid of them, but I was astonished to see them in the first place. Has anybody else had this experience with a brand new machine? She had used IE to download Firefox, and was about to download her favorite antivirus program, when pop-ups began proliferating all over the screen. Some had nice little Xs in the top right corner, that looked like commands to close, but, when she clicked the X instead of stopping, it behaved as though she had said "Yes, go ahead." This so frustrated her that she just shut down the computer. So, today, I spent several hours cleaning it up. Thanks, TNF -- Tina Norris Fields tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com 231-322-2787 From jbartow at winhaven.net Tue Dec 9 15:58:37 2014 From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2014 15:58:37 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Bundled Adware in IE? In-Reply-To: <54876C35.9040208@torchlake.com> References: <54876C35.9040208@torchlake.com> Message-ID: <02a201d013fb$496e9f90$dc4bdeb0$@winhaven.net> Yes, all browsers have adware add-ins/extensions. All it takes is one and then you have many. I haven't run into too many IE related ones lately but Chrome has been hammered with them. Used to be that almost all consumer pcs/laptops were preloaded with 'features' that most us called 'crapware'. I do setup some consumer models occasionally and , especially if they're purchased from BB or some other big box store, they have crapware on them. First thing I remove is the crap free security software, then the crapware. Use Malwarebytes to clean up the trash :-) -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris Fields Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 3:40 PM To: DatabaseAdvisors-Tech Subject: [dba-Tech] Bundled Adware in IE? Hi, My sister just purchased a new Dell Latitude, with Win 8.1. Suddenly, pop-ups appeared all over IE, Firefox seemed to disappear and become Speed Browser, a bunch of icons appeared on her desktop that were unwelcome. I got into IE and found add-ons that were aggressive adware - at least a dozen of them - and their "disable" option was unavailable. I did finally get rid of them, but I was astonished to see them in the first place. Has anybody else had this experience with a brand new machine? She had used IE to download Firefox, and was about to download her favorite antivirus program, when pop-ups began proliferating all over the screen. Some had nice little Xs in the top right corner, that looked like commands to close, but, when she clicked the X instead of stopping, it behaved as though she had said "Yes, go ahead." This so frustrated her that she just shut down the computer. So, today, I spent several hours cleaning it up. Thanks, TNF -- Tina Norris Fields tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com 231-322-2787 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From peter.brawley at earthlink.net Tue Dec 9 19:55:40 2014 From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (peter.brawley at earthlink.net) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2014 20:55:40 -0500 (EST) Subject: [dba-Tech] Bundled Adware in IE? Message-ID: <1826150755.21611.1418176540483.JavaMail.portal@wapmail-gadwalls.atl.sa.earthlink.net> most sites offering ff downloads bundle it with crapware. pb ---- Original Message ---- From: "Tina Norris Fields" Reply-To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Date: 12/09/14 4:40 PM To: "DatabaseAdvisors-Tech" Cc: Sub: [dba-Tech] Bundled Adware in IE? Hi, My sister just purchased a new Dell Latitude, with Win 8.1. Suddenly, pop-ups appeared all over IE, Firefox seemed to disappear and become Speed Browser, a bunch of icons appeared on her desktop that were unwelcome. I got into IE and found add-ons that were aggressive adware - at least a dozen of them - and their "disable" option was unavailable. I did finally get rid of them, but I was astonished to see them in the first place. Has anybody else had this experience with a brand new machine? She had used IE to download Firefox, and was about to download her favorite antivirus program, when pop-ups began proliferating all over the screen. Some had nice little Xs in the top right corner, that looked like commands to close, but, when she clicked the X instead of stopping, it behaved as though she had said "Yes, go ahead." This so frustrated her that she just shut down the computer. So, today, I spent several hours cleaning it up. Thanks, TNF -- Tina Norris Fields tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com 231-322-2787 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com ---- End Original Message ---- From accessd at shaw.ca Tue Dec 9 21:46:05 2014 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2014 20:46:05 -0700 (MST) Subject: [dba-Tech] Bundled Adware in IE? In-Reply-To: <54876C35.9040208@torchlake.com> Message-ID: <422944036.67428341.1418183165875.JavaMail.root@cds018> Hi Tina: That is terrible...but fortunately, I have no first hand experience but I have heard of it. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tina Norris Fields" To: "DatabaseAdvisors-Tech" Sent: Tuesday, December 9, 2014 1:40:05 PM Subject: [dba-Tech] Bundled Adware in IE? Hi, My sister just purchased a new Dell Latitude, with Win 8.1. Suddenly, pop-ups appeared all over IE, Firefox seemed to disappear and become Speed Browser, a bunch of icons appeared on her desktop that were unwelcome. I got into IE and found add-ons that were aggressive adware - at least a dozen of them - and their "disable" option was unavailable. I did finally get rid of them, but I was astonished to see them in the first place. Has anybody else had this experience with a brand new machine? She had used IE to download Firefox, and was about to download her favorite antivirus program, when pop-ups began proliferating all over the screen. Some had nice little Xs in the top right corner, that looked like commands to close, but, when she clicked the X instead of stopping, it behaved as though she had said "Yes, go ahead." This so frustrated her that she just shut down the computer. So, today, I spent several hours cleaning it up. Thanks, TNF -- Tina Norris Fields tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com 231-322-2787 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jbartow at winhaven.net Tue Dec 9 22:52:18 2014 From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2014 22:52:18 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Bundled Adware in IE? In-Reply-To: <1826150755.21611.1418176540483.JavaMail.portal@wapmail-gadwalls.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <1826150755.21611.1418176540483.JavaMail.portal@wapmail-gadwalls.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: Which brings up a good point - download from the original developer (if possible). -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of peter.brawley at earthlink.net Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 7:56 PM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com; dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Bundled Adware in IE? most sites offering ff downloads bundle it with crapware. pb ---- Original Message ---- From: "Tina Norris Fields" Reply-To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Date: 12/09/14 4:40 PM To: "DatabaseAdvisors-Tech" Cc: Sub: [dba-Tech] Bundled Adware in IE? Hi, My sister just purchased a new Dell Latitude, with Win 8.1. Suddenly, pop-ups appeared all over IE, Firefox seemed to disappear and become Speed Browser, a bunch of icons appeared on her desktop that were unwelcome. I got into IE and found add-ons that were aggressive adware - at least a dozen of them - and their "disable" option was unavailable. I did finally get rid of them, but I was astonished to see them in the first place. Has anybody else had this experience with a brand new machine? She had used IE to download Firefox, and was about to download her favorite antivirus program, when pop-ups began proliferating all over the screen. Some had nice little Xs in the top right corner, that looked like commands to close, but, when she clicked the X instead of stopping, it behaved as though she had said "Yes, go ahead." This so frustrated her that she just shut down the computer. So, today, I spent several hours cleaning it up. Thanks, TNF -- Tina Norris Fields tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com 231-322-2787 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com ---- End Original Message ---- _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From hkotsch at arcor.de Wed Dec 10 03:04:41 2014 From: hkotsch at arcor.de (Helmut Kotsch) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2014 10:04:41 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Bundled Adware in IE? In-Reply-To: References: <1826150755.21611.1418176540483.JavaMail.portal@wapmail-gadwalls.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <001b01d01458$58038e50$080aaaf0$@de> Or install unchecky. http://unchecky.com/ Helmut -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- Von: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Im Auftrag von John R Bartow Gesendet: Mittwoch, 10. Dezember 2014 05:52 An: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Betreff: Re: [dba-Tech] Bundled Adware in IE? Wichtigkeit: Hoch Which brings up a good point - download from the original developer (if possible). -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of peter.brawley at earthlink.net Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 7:56 PM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com; dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Bundled Adware in IE? most sites offering ff downloads bundle it with crapware. pb ---- Original Message ---- From: "Tina Norris Fields" Reply-To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Date: 12/09/14 4:40 PM To: "DatabaseAdvisors-Tech" Cc: Sub: [dba-Tech] Bundled Adware in IE? Hi, My sister just purchased a new Dell Latitude, with Win 8.1. Suddenly, pop-ups appeared all over IE, Firefox seemed to disappear and become Speed Browser, a bunch of icons appeared on her desktop that were unwelcome. I got into IE and found add-ons that were aggressive adware - at least a dozen of them - and their "disable" option was unavailable. I did finally get rid of them, but I was astonished to see them in the first place. Has anybody else had this experience with a brand new machine? She had used IE to download Firefox, and was about to download her favorite antivirus program, when pop-ups began proliferating all over the screen. Some had nice little Xs in the top right corner, that looked like commands to close, but, when she clicked the X instead of stopping, it behaved as though she had said "Yes, go ahead." This so frustrated her that she just shut down the computer. So, today, I spent several hours cleaning it up. Thanks, TNF -- Tina Norris Fields tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com 231-322-2787 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com ---- End Original Message ---- _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From gustav at cactus.dk Wed Dec 10 03:13:23 2014 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2014 09:13:23 +0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Bundled Adware in IE? Message-ID: Hi Helmut What a great tip. Seems like a must-have on any home machine. Thanks. /gustav -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Helmut Kotsch Sendt: 10. december 2014 10:05 Til: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Bundled Adware in IE? Or install unchecky. http://unchecky.com/ Helmut -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- Von: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Im Auftrag von John R Bartow Gesendet: Mittwoch, 10. Dezember 2014 05:52 An: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Betreff: Re: [dba-Tech] Bundled Adware in IE? Wichtigkeit: Hoch Which brings up a good point - download from the original developer (if possible). -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of peter.brawley at earthlink.net Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 7:56 PM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com; dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Bundled Adware in IE? most sites offering ff downloads bundle it with crapware. pb ---- Original Message ---- From: "Tina Norris Fields" Reply-To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Date: 12/09/14 4:40 PM To: "DatabaseAdvisors-Tech" Cc: Sub: [dba-Tech] Bundled Adware in IE? Hi, My sister just purchased a new Dell Latitude, with Win 8.1. Suddenly, pop-ups appeared all over IE, Firefox seemed to disappear and become Speed Browser, a bunch of icons appeared on her desktop that were unwelcome. I got into IE and found add-ons that were aggressive adware - at least a dozen of them - and their "disable" option was unavailable. I did finally get rid of them, but I was astonished to see them in the first place. Has anybody else had this experience with a brand new machine? She had used IE to download Firefox, and was about to download her favorite antivirus program, when pop-ups began proliferating all over the screen. Some had nice little Xs in the top right corner, that looked like commands to close, but, when she clicked the X instead of stopping, it behaved as though she had said "Yes, go ahead." This so frustrated her that she just shut down the computer. So, today, I spent several hours cleaning it up. Thanks, TNF -- Tina Norris Fields tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com 231-322-2787 From Lambert.Heenan at aig.com Wed Dec 10 07:55:42 2014 From: Lambert.Heenan at aig.com (Heenan, Lambert) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2014 13:55:42 +0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Bundled Adware in IE? In-Reply-To: References: <1826150755.21611.1418176540483.JavaMail.portal@wapmail-gadwalls.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: Exactly. What reason is there to go anywhere else but Mozilla.org? Not all add-ins are bad of course. Web Of Trust is one I have in Chrome that I would not do without. Nor have I found Chrome to be 'hammered' with any unwanted add-ins. IMHO a major culprit is installation programs for other programs which have additional payloads that install if you do not pay attention to all those dialog boxes in the install process. Lambert -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John R Bartow Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 11:52 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Bundled Adware in IE? Importance: High Which brings up a good point - download from the original developer (if possible). -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of peter.brawley at earthlink.net Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 7:56 PM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com; dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Bundled Adware in IE? most sites offering ff downloads bundle it with crapware. pb ---- Original Message ---- From: "Tina Norris Fields" Reply-To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Date: 12/09/14 4:40 PM To: "DatabaseAdvisors-Tech" Cc: Sub: [dba-Tech] Bundled Adware in IE? Hi, My sister just purchased a new Dell Latitude, with Win 8.1. Suddenly, pop-ups appeared all over IE, Firefox seemed to disappear and become Speed Browser, a bunch of icons appeared on her desktop that were unwelcome. I got into IE and found add-ons that were aggressive adware - at least a dozen of them - and their "disable" option was unavailable. I did finally get rid of them, but I was astonished to see them in the first place. Has anybody else had this experience with a brand new machine? She had used IE to download Firefox, and was about to download her favorite antivirus program, when pop-ups began proliferating all over the screen. Some had nice little Xs in the top right corner, that looked like commands to close, but, when she clicked the X instead of stopping, it behaved as though she had said "Yes, go ahead." This so frustrated her that she just shut down the computer. So, today, I spent several hours cleaning it up. Thanks, TNF -- Tina Norris Fields tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com 231-322-2787 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com ---- End Original Message ---- _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From tinanfields at torchlake.com Wed Dec 10 10:47:05 2014 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2014 11:47:05 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Bundled Adware in IE? In-Reply-To: <02a201d013fb$496e9f90$dc4bdeb0$@winhaven.net> References: <54876C35.9040208@torchlake.com> <02a201d013fb$496e9f90$dc4bdeb0$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: <54887909.1020303@torchlake.com> Thanks, John. She is using Avast as her antivirus program (I've preached Vipre, now, for years, and everybody else in the family is using it, but she insists on Avast). We were finally able to download and install Avast, run some scans and get rid of most of the crapware. Then, I downloaded and ran Malwarebytes and got rid of some more. Overnight, I ran the Avast deep scan and got rid of some more. Then, I ran the Avast boot scan and found three more - two were in the browser folders, IE and FF. So, I think we finally got it all cleaned up. Now, philosophical question - why? The adware is so annoying, so distressing, so intrusive - why would anybody be willing to bundle it in a legitimate product? That just seems the perfect way to turn people against the legitimate product. To me, this is crazy. Why do they do this? It actually makes the computer un-usable. TNF Tina Norris Fields tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com 231-322-2787 On 12/9/2014 4:58 PM, John R Bartow wrote: > Yes, all browsers have adware add-ins/extensions. All it takes is one and > then you have many. I haven't run into too many IE related ones lately but > Chrome has been hammered with them. > > Used to be that almost all consumer pcs/laptops were preloaded with > 'features' that most us called 'crapware'. I do setup some consumer models > occasionally and , especially if they're purchased from BB or some other big > box store, they have crapware on them. First thing I remove is the crap free > security software, then the crapware. Use Malwarebytes to clean up the trash > :-) > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris > Fields > Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 3:40 PM > To: DatabaseAdvisors-Tech > Subject: [dba-Tech] Bundled Adware in IE? > > Hi, > > My sister just purchased a new Dell Latitude, with Win 8.1. Suddenly, > pop-ups appeared all over IE, Firefox seemed to disappear and become Speed > Browser, a bunch of icons appeared on her desktop that were unwelcome. I > got into IE and found add-ons that were aggressive adware > - at least a dozen of them - and their "disable" option was unavailable. I > did finally get rid of them, but I was astonished to see them in the first > place. Has anybody else had this experience with a brand new machine? > > She had used IE to download Firefox, and was about to download her favorite > antivirus program, when pop-ups began proliferating all over the screen. > Some had nice little Xs in the top right corner, that looked like commands > to close, but, when she clicked the X instead of stopping, it behaved as > though she had said "Yes, go ahead." This so frustrated her that she just > shut down the computer. > > So, today, I spent several hours cleaning it up. > > Thanks, > TNF > > -- > Tina Norris Fields > tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com > 231-322-2787 > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From tinanfields at torchlake.com Wed Dec 10 10:48:38 2014 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2014 11:48:38 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Bundled Adware in IE? In-Reply-To: <001b01d01458$58038e50$080aaaf0$@de> References: <1826150755.21611.1418176540483.JavaMail.portal@wapmail-gadwalls.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <001b01d01458$58038e50$080aaaf0$@de> Message-ID: <54887966.9070508@torchlake.com> I will definitely get this one. Vielen Dank, Helmut! TNF Tina Norris Fields tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com 231-322-2787 On 12/10/2014 4:04 AM, Helmut Kotsch wrote: > Or install unchecky. > > http://unchecky.com/ > > Helmut > > -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Im Auftrag von John R Bartow > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 10. Dezember 2014 05:52 > An: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Betreff: Re: [dba-Tech] Bundled Adware in IE? > Wichtigkeit: Hoch > > Which brings up a good point - download from the original developer (if > possible). > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of > peter.brawley at earthlink.net > Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 7:56 PM > To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com; dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Bundled Adware in IE? > > most sites offering ff downloads bundle it with crapware. > > pb > > ---- Original Message ---- > From: "Tina Norris Fields" > Reply-To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > Date: 12/09/14 4:40 PM > To: "DatabaseAdvisors-Tech" > Cc: > Sub: [dba-Tech] Bundled Adware in IE? > Hi, > > My sister just purchased a new Dell Latitude, with Win 8.1. Suddenly, > pop-ups appeared all over IE, Firefox seemed to disappear and become Speed > Browser, a bunch of icons appeared on her desktop that were unwelcome. I > got into IE and found add-ons that were aggressive adware > - at least a dozen of them - and their "disable" option was unavailable. I > did finally get rid of them, but I was astonished to see them in the first > place. Has anybody else had this experience with a brand new machine? > > She had used IE to download Firefox, and was about to download her favorite > antivirus program, when pop-ups began proliferating all over the screen. > Some had nice little Xs in the top right corner, that looked like commands > to close, but, when she clicked the X instead of stopping, it behaved as > though she had said "Yes, go ahead." This so frustrated her that she just > shut down the computer. > > So, today, I spent several hours cleaning it up. > > Thanks, > TNF > > -- > Tina Norris Fields > tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com > 231-322-2787 > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > ---- End Original Message ---- > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From tinanfields at torchlake.com Wed Dec 10 10:49:37 2014 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2014 11:49:37 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Bundled Adware in IE? In-Reply-To: References: <1826150755.21611.1418176540483.JavaMail.portal@wapmail-gadwalls.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <548879A1.8000609@torchlake.com> Yeah, that's what I did - I went to mozilla.org, but the download links took us to cnet (definitely not my favorite place). TNF Tina Norris Fields tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com 231-322-2787 On 12/10/2014 8:55 AM, Heenan, Lambert wrote: > Exactly. What reason is there to go anywhere else but Mozilla.org? > > Not all add-ins are bad of course. Web Of Trust is one I have in Chrome that I would not do without. Nor have I found Chrome to be 'hammered' with any unwanted add-ins. IMHO a major culprit is installation programs for other programs which have additional payloads that install if you do not pay attention to all those dialog boxes in the install process. > > Lambert > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John R Bartow > Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 11:52 PM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Bundled Adware in IE? > Importance: High > > Which brings up a good point - download from the original developer (if possible). > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of peter.brawley at earthlink.net > Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 7:56 PM > To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com; dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Bundled Adware in IE? > > most sites offering ff downloads bundle it with crapware. > > pb > > ---- Original Message ---- > From: "Tina Norris Fields" > Reply-To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > Date: 12/09/14 4:40 PM > To: "DatabaseAdvisors-Tech" > Cc: > Sub: [dba-Tech] Bundled Adware in IE? > Hi, > > My sister just purchased a new Dell Latitude, with Win 8.1. Suddenly, pop-ups appeared all over IE, Firefox seemed to disappear and become Speed Browser, a bunch of icons appeared on her desktop that were unwelcome. I got into IE and found add-ons that were aggressive adware > - at least a dozen of them - and their "disable" option was unavailable. I did finally get rid of them, but I was astonished to see them in the first place. Has anybody else had this experience with a brand new machine? > > She had used IE to download Firefox, and was about to download her favorite antivirus program, when pop-ups began proliferating all over the screen. > Some had nice little Xs in the top right corner, that looked like commands to close, but, when she clicked the X instead of stopping, it behaved as though she had said "Yes, go ahead." This so frustrated her that she just shut down the computer. > > So, today, I spent several hours cleaning it up. > > Thanks, > TNF > > -- > Tina Norris Fields > tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com > 231-322-2787 > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > ---- End Original Message ---- > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From Lambert.Heenan at aig.com Wed Dec 10 12:10:54 2014 From: Lambert.Heenan at aig.com (Heenan, Lambert) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2014 18:10:54 +0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Bundled Adware in IE? In-Reply-To: <548879A1.8000609@torchlake.com> References: <1826150755.21611.1418176540483.JavaMail.portal@wapmail-gadwalls.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <548879A1.8000609@torchlake.com> Message-ID: Weird. The current DL link points to https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/new/?scene=2#download-fx which downloads Firefox Setup Stub 34.0.5.exe and that does not appear to go anywhere near the dread CNET. Lambert -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris Fields Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 11:50 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Bundled Adware in IE? Yeah, that's what I did - I went to mozilla.org, but the download links took us to cnet (definitely not my favorite place). TNF Tina Norris Fields tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com 231-322-2787 On 12/10/2014 8:55 AM, Heenan, Lambert wrote: > Exactly. What reason is there to go anywhere else but Mozilla.org? > > Not all add-ins are bad of course. Web Of Trust is one I have in Chrome that I would not do without. Nor have I found Chrome to be 'hammered' with any unwanted add-ins. IMHO a major culprit is installation programs for other programs which have additional payloads that install if you do not pay attention to all those dialog boxes in the install process. > > Lambert > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John R > Bartow > Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 11:52 PM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Bundled Adware in IE? > Importance: High > > Which brings up a good point - download from the original developer (if possible). > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of > peter.brawley at earthlink.net > Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 7:56 PM > To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com; dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Bundled Adware in IE? > > most sites offering ff downloads bundle it with crapware. > > pb > > ---- Original Message ---- > From: "Tina Norris Fields" > Reply-To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > Date: 12/09/14 4:40 PM > To: "DatabaseAdvisors-Tech" > Cc: > Sub: [dba-Tech] Bundled Adware in IE? > Hi, > > My sister just purchased a new Dell Latitude, with Win 8.1. Suddenly, > pop-ups appeared all over IE, Firefox seemed to disappear and become > Speed Browser, a bunch of icons appeared on her desktop that were > unwelcome. I got into IE and found add-ons that were aggressive > adware > - at least a dozen of them - and their "disable" option was unavailable. I did finally get rid of them, but I was astonished to see them in the first place. Has anybody else had this experience with a brand new machine? > > She had used IE to download Firefox, and was about to download her favorite antivirus program, when pop-ups began proliferating all over the screen. > Some had nice little Xs in the top right corner, that looked like commands to close, but, when she clicked the X instead of stopping, it behaved as though she had said "Yes, go ahead." This so frustrated her that she just shut down the computer. > > So, today, I spent several hours cleaning it up. > > Thanks, > TNF > > -- > Tina Norris Fields > tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com > 231-322-2787 > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > ---- End Original Message ---- > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jbartow at winhaven.net Wed Dec 10 12:43:35 2014 From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2014 12:43:35 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Bundled Adware in IE? In-Reply-To: References: <1826150755.21611.1418176540483.JavaMail.portal@wapmail-gadwalls.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <01a101d014a9$347a6750$9d6f35f0$@winhaven.net> Chrome is big around here because the schools all jumped into Google docs. Kids tend to know little and do everything with confidence. Hence Chrome being inundated with crap ware. IOWs 'home user syndrome'. No one seems to pay attention to anything and if they do they tend to trust those suggestions(!) as something they should do. In businesses where they don't allow their users admin privileges, I have little to no problems with any browser. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 7:56 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Bundled Adware in IE? Exactly. What reason is there to go anywhere else but Mozilla.org? Not all add-ins are bad of course. Web Of Trust is one I have in Chrome that I would not do without. Nor have I found Chrome to be 'hammered' with any unwanted add-ins. IMHO a major culprit is installation programs for other programs which have additional payloads that install if you do not pay attention to all those dialog boxes in the install process. Lambert -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John R Bartow Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 11:52 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Bundled Adware in IE? Importance: High Which brings up a good point - download from the original developer (if possible). -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of peter.brawley at earthlink.net Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 7:56 PM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com; dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Bundled Adware in IE? most sites offering ff downloads bundle it with crapware. pb ---- Original Message ---- From: "Tina Norris Fields" Reply-To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Date: 12/09/14 4:40 PM To: "DatabaseAdvisors-Tech" Cc: Sub: [dba-Tech] Bundled Adware in IE? Hi, My sister just purchased a new Dell Latitude, with Win 8.1. Suddenly, pop-ups appeared all over IE, Firefox seemed to disappear and become Speed Browser, a bunch of icons appeared on her desktop that were unwelcome. I got into IE and found add-ons that were aggressive adware - at least a dozen of them - and their "disable" option was unavailable. I did finally get rid of them, but I was astonished to see them in the first place. Has anybody else had this experience with a brand new machine? She had used IE to download Firefox, and was about to download her favorite antivirus program, when pop-ups began proliferating all over the screen. Some had nice little Xs in the top right corner, that looked like commands to close, but, when she clicked the X instead of stopping, it behaved as though she had said "Yes, go ahead." This so frustrated her that she just shut down the computer. So, today, I spent several hours cleaning it up. Thanks, TNF -- Tina Norris Fields tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com 231-322-2787 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com ---- End Original Message ---- _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jbartow at winhaven.net Wed Dec 10 12:53:35 2014 From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2014 12:53:35 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Bundled Adware in IE? In-Reply-To: References: <1826150755.21611.1418176540483.JavaMail.portal@wapmail-gadwalls.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <548879A1.8000609@torchlake.com> Message-ID: <01aa01d014aa$9a654bb0$cf2fe310$@winhaven.net> Appears to have a redirector installed. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 12:11 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Bundled Adware in IE? Weird. The current DL link points to https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/new/?scene=2#download-fx which downloads Firefox Setup Stub 34.0.5.exe and that does not appear to go anywhere near the dread CNET. Lambert -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris Fields Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 11:50 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Bundled Adware in IE? Yeah, that's what I did - I went to mozilla.org, but the download links took us to cnet (definitely not my favorite place). TNF Tina Norris Fields tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com 231-322-2787 On 12/10/2014 8:55 AM, Heenan, Lambert wrote: > Exactly. What reason is there to go anywhere else but Mozilla.org? > > Not all add-ins are bad of course. Web Of Trust is one I have in Chrome that I would not do without. Nor have I found Chrome to be 'hammered' with any unwanted add-ins. IMHO a major culprit is installation programs for other programs which have additional payloads that install if you do not pay attention to all those dialog boxes in the install process. > > Lambert > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John R > Bartow > Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 11:52 PM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Bundled Adware in IE? > Importance: High > > Which brings up a good point - download from the original developer (if possible). > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of > peter.brawley at earthlink.net > Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 7:56 PM > To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com; dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Bundled Adware in IE? > > most sites offering ff downloads bundle it with crapware. > > pb > > ---- Original Message ---- > From: "Tina Norris Fields" > Reply-To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > Date: 12/09/14 4:40 PM > To: "DatabaseAdvisors-Tech" > Cc: > Sub: [dba-Tech] Bundled Adware in IE? > Hi, > > My sister just purchased a new Dell Latitude, with Win 8.1. Suddenly, > pop-ups appeared all over IE, Firefox seemed to disappear and become > Speed Browser, a bunch of icons appeared on her desktop that were > unwelcome. I got into IE and found add-ons that were aggressive > adware > - at least a dozen of them - and their "disable" option was unavailable. I did finally get rid of them, but I was astonished to see them in the first place. Has anybody else had this experience with a brand new machine? > > She had used IE to download Firefox, and was about to download her favorite antivirus program, when pop-ups began proliferating all over the screen. > Some had nice little Xs in the top right corner, that looked like commands to close, but, when she clicked the X instead of stopping, it behaved as though she had said "Yes, go ahead." This so frustrated her that she just shut down the computer. > > So, today, I spent several hours cleaning it up. > > Thanks, > TNF > > -- > Tina Norris Fields > tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com > 231-322-2787 > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > ---- End Original Message ---- > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jbartow at winhaven.net Wed Dec 10 12:53:35 2014 From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2014 12:53:35 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Bundled Adware in IE? In-Reply-To: <54887909.1020303@torchlake.com> References: <54876C35.9040208@torchlake.com> <02a201d013fb$496e9f90$dc4bdeb0$@winhaven.net> <54887909.1020303@torchlake.com> Message-ID: <01ab01d014aa$9a950e40$cfbf2ac0$@winhaven.net> Start charging her and I'll bet she switched ;-) Nothing is perfect, and Avast is OK but why do people trust trade rags more than experience? I no longer argue this point. I make more money cleaning up after MSE, AVG, Avast, (Preinstalled Norton, MacAfee and others that are either out of date or misconfigured) than I do installing Vipre. I recommend changing but don't make a big deal out of it if they are adamant that 'the morning talk show recommends...' Many times I'll be there multiple times over a couple of years and then they'll take my advice. For the most part I hear from them once a year for renewal after that. Adware invites malware to join in the party. Download Vipre Rescue and run that through(in safe mode) too: http://live.sunbeltsoftware.com/Download2/ BTW, Vipre has modernized its UI. Some of you may like it. I don't. Glad I don't have to use it much. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris Fields Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 10:47 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Bundled Adware in IE? Thanks, John. She is using Avast as her antivirus program (I've preached Vipre, now, for years, and everybody else in the family is using it, but she insists on Avast). We were finally able to download and install Avast, run some scans and get rid of most of the crapware. Then, I downloaded and ran Malwarebytes and got rid of some more. Overnight, I ran the Avast deep scan and got rid of some more. Then, I ran the Avast boot scan and found three more - two were in the browser folders, IE and FF. So, I think we finally got it all cleaned up. Now, philosophical question - why? The adware is so annoying, so distressing, so intrusive - why would anybody be willing to bundle it in a legitimate product? That just seems the perfect way to turn people against the legitimate product. To me, this is crazy. Why do they do this? It actually makes the computer un-usable. TNF Tina Norris Fields tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com 231-322-2787 On 12/9/2014 4:58 PM, John R Bartow wrote: > Yes, all browsers have adware add-ins/extensions. All it takes is one and > then you have many. I haven't run into too many IE related ones lately but > Chrome has been hammered with them. > > Used to be that almost all consumer pcs/laptops were preloaded with > 'features' that most us called 'crapware'. I do setup some consumer models > occasionally and , especially if they're purchased from BB or some other big > box store, they have crapware on them. First thing I remove is the crap free > security software, then the crapware. Use Malwarebytes to clean up the trash > :-) > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris > Fields > Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 3:40 PM > To: DatabaseAdvisors-Tech > Subject: [dba-Tech] Bundled Adware in IE? > > Hi, > > My sister just purchased a new Dell Latitude, with Win 8.1. Suddenly, > pop-ups appeared all over IE, Firefox seemed to disappear and become Speed > Browser, a bunch of icons appeared on her desktop that were unwelcome. I > got into IE and found add-ons that were aggressive adware > - at least a dozen of them - and their "disable" option was unavailable. I > did finally get rid of them, but I was astonished to see them in the first > place. Has anybody else had this experience with a brand new machine? > > She had used IE to download Firefox, and was about to download her favorite > antivirus program, when pop-ups began proliferating all over the screen. > Some had nice little Xs in the top right corner, that looked like commands > to close, but, when she clicked the X instead of stopping, it behaved as > though she had said "Yes, go ahead." This so frustrated her that she just > shut down the computer. > > So, today, I spent several hours cleaning it up. > > Thanks, > TNF > > -- > Tina Norris Fields > tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com > 231-322-2787 > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Lambert.Heenan at aig.com Wed Dec 10 13:18:27 2014 From: Lambert.Heenan at aig.com (Heenan, Lambert) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2014 19:18:27 +0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Bundled Adware in IE? In-Reply-To: <01aa01d014aa$9a654bb0$cf2fe310$@winhaven.net> References: <1826150755.21611.1418176540483.JavaMail.portal@wapmail-gadwalls.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <548879A1.8000609@torchlake.com> <01aa01d014aa$9a654bb0$cf2fe310$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: What makes you say that? What do you see that's not pointing at Mozilla? -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John R Bartow Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 1:54 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Bundled Adware in IE? Importance: High Appears to have a redirector installed. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 12:11 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Bundled Adware in IE? Weird. The current DL link points to https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/new/?scene=2#download-fx which downloads Firefox Setup Stub 34.0.5.exe and that does not appear to go anywhere near the dread CNET. Lambert -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris Fields Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 11:50 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Bundled Adware in IE? Yeah, that's what I did - I went to mozilla.org, but the download links took us to cnet (definitely not my favorite place). TNF Tina Norris Fields tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com 231-322-2787 On 12/10/2014 8:55 AM, Heenan, Lambert wrote: > Exactly. What reason is there to go anywhere else but Mozilla.org? > > Not all add-ins are bad of course. Web Of Trust is one I have in > Chrome that I would not do without. Nor have I found Chrome to be 'hammered' with any unwanted add-ins. IMHO a major culprit is installation programs for other programs which have additional payloads that install if you do not pay attention to all those dialog boxes in the install process. > > Lambert > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John R > Bartow > Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 11:52 PM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Bundled Adware in IE? > Importance: High > > Which brings up a good point - download from the original developer > (if possible). > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of > peter.brawley at earthlink.net > Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 7:56 PM > To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com; dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Bundled Adware in IE? > > most sites offering ff downloads bundle it with crapware. > > pb > > ---- Original Message ---- > From: "Tina Norris Fields" > Reply-To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > Date: 12/09/14 4:40 PM > To: "DatabaseAdvisors-Tech" > Cc: > Sub: [dba-Tech] Bundled Adware in IE? > Hi, > > My sister just purchased a new Dell Latitude, with Win 8.1. Suddenly, > pop-ups appeared all over IE, Firefox seemed to disappear and become > Speed Browser, a bunch of icons appeared on her desktop that were > unwelcome. I got into IE and found add-ons that were aggressive > adware > - at least a dozen of them - and their "disable" option was unavailable. I did finally get rid of them, but I was astonished to see them in the first place. Has anybody else had this experience with a brand new machine? > > She had used IE to download Firefox, and was about to download her favorite antivirus program, when pop-ups began proliferating all over the screen. > Some had nice little Xs in the top right corner, that looked like > commands to close, but, when she clicked the X instead of stopping, it behaved as though she had said "Yes, go ahead." This so frustrated her that she just shut down the computer. > > So, today, I spent several hours cleaning it up. > > Thanks, > TNF > > -- > Tina Norris Fields > tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com > 231-322-2787 > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > ---- End Original Message ---- > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Wed Dec 10 13:50:56 2014 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2014 12:50:56 -0700 (MST) Subject: [dba-Tech] Bundled Adware in IE? In-Reply-To: <001b01d01458$58038e50$080aaaf0$@de> Message-ID: <1831192228.68087933.1418241056015.JavaMail.root@cds018> Excellent, a product whose time has come. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Helmut Kotsch" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 1:04:41 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Bundled Adware in IE? Or install unchecky. http://unchecky.com/ Helmut -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- Von: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Im Auftrag von John R Bartow Gesendet: Mittwoch, 10. Dezember 2014 05:52 An: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Betreff: Re: [dba-Tech] Bundled Adware in IE? Wichtigkeit: Hoch Which brings up a good point - download from the original developer (if possible). -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of peter.brawley at earthlink.net Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 7:56 PM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com; dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Bundled Adware in IE? most sites offering ff downloads bundle it with crapware. pb ---- Original Message ---- From: "Tina Norris Fields" Reply-To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Date: 12/09/14 4:40 PM To: "DatabaseAdvisors-Tech" Cc: Sub: [dba-Tech] Bundled Adware in IE? Hi, My sister just purchased a new Dell Latitude, with Win 8.1. Suddenly, pop-ups appeared all over IE, Firefox seemed to disappear and become Speed Browser, a bunch of icons appeared on her desktop that were unwelcome. I got into IE and found add-ons that were aggressive adware - at least a dozen of them - and their "disable" option was unavailable. I did finally get rid of them, but I was astonished to see them in the first place. Has anybody else had this experience with a brand new machine? She had used IE to download Firefox, and was about to download her favorite antivirus program, when pop-ups began proliferating all over the screen. Some had nice little Xs in the top right corner, that looked like commands to close, but, when she clicked the X instead of stopping, it behaved as though she had said "Yes, go ahead." This so frustrated her that she just shut down the computer. So, today, I spent several hours cleaning it up. Thanks, TNF -- Tina Norris Fields tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com 231-322-2787 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com ---- End Original Message ---- _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From tinanfields at torchlake.com Wed Dec 10 14:51:45 2014 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2014 15:51:45 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Bundled Adware in IE? In-Reply-To: References: <1826150755.21611.1418176540483.JavaMail.portal@wapmail-gadwalls.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <548879A1.8000609@torchlake.com> Message-ID: <5488B261.6050503@torchlake.com> Lambert, that certainly seems true, today, using my computer. Yesterday, using the new computer, we were consistently dumped into cnet. Wonder what I was doing wrong. If you have an idea about that, please let me know. Thanks. TNF Tina Norris Fields tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com 231-322-2787 On 12/10/2014 1:10 PM, Heenan, Lambert wrote: > Weird. The current DL link points to > https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/new/?scene=2#download-fx > > which downloads Firefox Setup Stub 34.0.5.exe and that does not appear to go anywhere near the dread CNET. > > Lambert > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris Fields > Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 11:50 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Bundled Adware in IE? > > Yeah, that's what I did - I went to mozilla.org, but the download links took us to cnet (definitely not my favorite place). > TNF > > Tina Norris Fields > tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com > 231-322-2787 > > On 12/10/2014 8:55 AM, Heenan, Lambert wrote: >> Exactly. What reason is there to go anywhere else but Mozilla.org? >> >> Not all add-ins are bad of course. Web Of Trust is one I have in Chrome that I would not do without. Nor have I found Chrome to be 'hammered' with any unwanted add-ins. IMHO a major culprit is installation programs for other programs which have additional payloads that install if you do not pay attention to all those dialog boxes in the install process. >> >> Lambert >> >> From tinanfields at torchlake.com Wed Dec 10 15:00:43 2014 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2014 16:00:43 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Bundled Adware in IE? In-Reply-To: <01ab01d014aa$9a950e40$cfbf2ac0$@winhaven.net> References: <54876C35.9040208@torchlake.com> <02a201d013fb$496e9f90$dc4bdeb0$@winhaven.net> <54887909.1020303@torchlake.com> <01ab01d014aa$9a950e40$cfbf2ac0$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: <5488B47B.10603@torchlake.com> Yeah, I know. Yesterday, I fixed computer stuff for my sister and my sister-in-law. Had I been charging, I'd have made about $500. But, I don't charge family. And, besides, my sister gives me the benefit of her medical training without charge, so we're good. I still wonder why the makers of a legitimate product, like IE or FF or Chrome would bundle in aggressive adware. They have to know that will seriously interfere with their clients' ability to use the legitimate software. I just don't get that part. TNF Tina Norris Fields tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com 231-322-2787 On 12/10/2014 1:53 PM, John R Bartow wrote: > Start charging her and I'll bet she switched ;-) > Nothing is perfect, and Avast is OK but why do people trust trade rags more > than experience? > > I no longer argue this point. I make more money cleaning up after MSE, AVG, > Avast, (Preinstalled Norton, MacAfee and others that are either out of date > or misconfigured) than I do installing Vipre. I recommend changing but don't > make a big deal out of it if they are adamant that 'the morning talk show > recommends...' Many times I'll be there multiple times over a couple of > years and then they'll take my advice. For the most part I hear from them > once a year for renewal after that. > > Adware invites malware to join in the party. Download Vipre Rescue and run > that through(in safe mode) too: > http://live.sunbeltsoftware.com/Download2/ > > BTW, Vipre has modernized its UI. Some of you may like it. I don't. Glad I > don't have to use it much. > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris > Fields > Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 10:47 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Bundled Adware in IE? > > Thanks, John. She is using Avast as her antivirus program (I've preached > Vipre, now, for years, and everybody else in the family is using it, but she > insists on Avast). We were finally able to download and install Avast, run > some scans and get rid of most of the crapware. > Then, I downloaded and ran Malwarebytes and got rid of some more. > Overnight, I ran the Avast deep scan and got rid of some more. Then, I ran > the Avast boot scan and found three more - two were in the browser folders, > IE and FF. So, I think we finally got it all cleaned up. > > Now, philosophical question - why? The adware is so annoying, so > distressing, so intrusive - why would anybody be willing to bundle it in a > legitimate product? That just seems the perfect way to turn people against > the legitimate product. To me, this is crazy. Why do they do this? It > actually makes the computer un-usable. > > TNF > > Tina Norris Fields > tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com > 231-322-2787 > > On 12/9/2014 4:58 PM, John R Bartow wrote: >> Yes, all browsers have adware add-ins/extensions. All it takes is one and >> then you have many. I haven't run into too many IE related ones lately but >> Chrome has been hammered with them. >> >> Used to be that almost all consumer pcs/laptops were preloaded with >> 'features' that most us called 'crapware'. I do setup some consumer models >> occasionally and , especially if they're purchased from BB or some other > big >> box store, they have crapware on them. First thing I remove is the crap > free >> security software, then the crapware. Use Malwarebytes to clean up the > trash >> :-) >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris >> Fields >> Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 3:40 PM >> To: DatabaseAdvisors-Tech >> Subject: [dba-Tech] Bundled Adware in IE? >> >> Hi, >> >> My sister just purchased a new Dell Latitude, with Win 8.1. Suddenly, >> pop-ups appeared all over IE, Firefox seemed to disappear and become Speed >> Browser, a bunch of icons appeared on her desktop that were unwelcome. I >> got into IE and found add-ons that were aggressive adware >> - at least a dozen of them - and their "disable" option was unavailable. > I >> did finally get rid of them, but I was astonished to see them in the first >> place. Has anybody else had this experience with a brand new machine? >> >> She had used IE to download Firefox, and was about to download her > favorite >> antivirus program, when pop-ups began proliferating all over the screen. >> Some had nice little Xs in the top right corner, that looked like commands >> to close, but, when she clicked the X instead of stopping, it behaved as >> though she had said "Yes, go ahead." This so frustrated her that she just >> shut down the computer. >> >> So, today, I spent several hours cleaning it up. >> >> Thanks, >> TNF >> >> -- >> Tina Norris Fields >> tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com >> 231-322-2787 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From gustav at cactus.dk Wed Dec 10 15:33:23 2014 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2014 21:33:23 +0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Bundled Adware in IE? In-Reply-To: <5488B47B.10603@torchlake.com> References: <54876C35.9040208@torchlake.com> <02a201d013fb$496e9f90$dc4bdeb0$@winhaven.net> <54887909.1020303@torchlake.com> <01ab01d014aa$9a950e40$cfbf2ac0$@winhaven.net>, <5488B47B.10603@torchlake.com> Message-ID: <1418247202644.74145@cactus.dk> Hi Tina That is easy: [seriously interference with clients' ability to use the legitimate software].ToTrouble().ToMoney() < [support from badware suppliers].ToLessTrouble().ToMoney() /gustav ________________________________________ Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com p? vegne af Tina Norris Fields Sendt: 10. december 2014 22:00 Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Bundled Adware in IE? Yeah, I know. Yesterday, I fixed computer stuff for my sister and my sister-in-law. Had I been charging, I'd have made about $500. But, I don't charge family. And, besides, my sister gives me the benefit of her medical training without charge, so we're good. I still wonder why the makers of a legitimate product, like IE or FF or Chrome would bundle in aggressive adware. They have to know that will seriously interfere with their clients' ability to use the legitimate software. I just don't get that part. TNF From jbartow at winhaven.net Wed Dec 10 15:49:58 2014 From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2014 15:49:58 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Bundled Adware in IE? In-Reply-To: <1418247202644.74145@cactus.dk> References: <54876C35.9040208@torchlake.com> <02a201d013fb$496e9f90$dc4bdeb0$@winhaven.net> <54887909.1020303@torchlake.com> <01ab01d014aa$9a950e40$cfbf2ac0$@winhaven.net>, <5488B47B.10603@torchlake.com> <1418247202644.74145@cactus.dk> Message-ID: Succinct :-) -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 3:33 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Bundled Adware in IE? Hi Tina That is easy: [seriously interference with clients' ability to use the legitimate software].ToTrouble().ToMoney() < [support from badware suppliers].ToLessTrouble().ToMoney() /gustav ________________________________________ Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com p? vegne af Tina Norris Fields Sendt: 10. december 2014 22:00 Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Bundled Adware in IE? Yeah, I know. Yesterday, I fixed computer stuff for my sister and my sister-in-law. Had I been charging, I'd have made about $500. But, I don't charge family. And, besides, my sister gives me the benefit of her medical training without charge, so we're good. I still wonder why the makers of a legitimate product, like IE or FF or Chrome would bundle in aggressive adware. They have to know that will seriously interfere with their clients' ability to use the legitimate software. I just don't get that part. TNF _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jbartow at winhaven.net Wed Dec 10 15:49:58 2014 From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2014 15:49:58 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Bundled Adware in IE? In-Reply-To: <5488B47B.10603@torchlake.com> References: <54876C35.9040208@torchlake.com> <02a201d013fb$496e9f90$dc4bdeb0$@winhaven.net> <54887909.1020303@torchlake.com> <01ab01d014aa$9a950e40$cfbf2ac0$@winhaven.net> <5488B47B.10603@torchlake.com> Message-ID: <021501d014c3$3e6355a0$bb2a00e0$@winhaven.net> I doubt the maker of the browsers do it. I think the PC maker or redistributor did it. Answer: money. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris Fields Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 3:01 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Bundled Adware in IE? Yeah, I know. Yesterday, I fixed computer stuff for my sister and my sister-in-law. Had I been charging, I'd have made about $500. But, I don't charge family. And, besides, my sister gives me the benefit of her medical training without charge, so we're good. I still wonder why the makers of a legitimate product, like IE or FF or Chrome would bundle in aggressive adware. They have to know that will seriously interfere with their clients' ability to use the legitimate software. I just don't get that part. TNF Tina Norris Fields tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com 231-322-2787 On 12/10/2014 1:53 PM, John R Bartow wrote: > Start charging her and I'll bet she switched ;-) Nothing is perfect, > and Avast is OK but why do people trust trade rags more than > experience? > > I no longer argue this point. I make more money cleaning up after MSE, > AVG, Avast, (Preinstalled Norton, MacAfee and others that are either > out of date or misconfigured) than I do installing Vipre. I recommend > changing but don't make a big deal out of it if they are adamant that > 'the morning talk show recommends...' Many times I'll be there > multiple times over a couple of years and then they'll take my advice. > For the most part I hear from them once a year for renewal after that. > > Adware invites malware to join in the party. Download Vipre Rescue and > run that through(in safe mode) too: > http://live.sunbeltsoftware.com/Download2/ > > BTW, Vipre has modernized its UI. Some of you may like it. I don't. > Glad I don't have to use it much. > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina > Norris Fields > Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 10:47 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Bundled Adware in IE? > > Thanks, John. She is using Avast as her antivirus program (I've > preached Vipre, now, for years, and everybody else in the family is > using it, but she insists on Avast). We were finally able to download > and install Avast, run some scans and get rid of most of the crapware. > Then, I downloaded and ran Malwarebytes and got rid of some more. > Overnight, I ran the Avast deep scan and got rid of some more. Then, I > ran the Avast boot scan and found three more - two were in the browser > folders, IE and FF. So, I think we finally got it all cleaned up. > > Now, philosophical question - why? The adware is so annoying, so > distressing, so intrusive - why would anybody be willing to bundle it > in a legitimate product? That just seems the perfect way to turn > people against the legitimate product. To me, this is crazy. Why do > they do this? It actually makes the computer un-usable. > > TNF > > Tina Norris Fields > tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com > 231-322-2787 > > On 12/9/2014 4:58 PM, John R Bartow wrote: >> Yes, all browsers have adware add-ins/extensions. All it takes is one >> and then you have many. I haven't run into too many IE related ones >> lately but Chrome has been hammered with them. >> >> Used to be that almost all consumer pcs/laptops were preloaded with >> 'features' that most us called 'crapware'. I do setup some consumer >> models occasionally and , especially if they're purchased from BB or >> some other > big >> box store, they have crapware on them. First thing I remove is the >> crap > free >> security software, then the crapware. Use Malwarebytes to clean up >> the > trash >> :-) >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina >> Norris Fields >> Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 3:40 PM >> To: DatabaseAdvisors-Tech >> Subject: [dba-Tech] Bundled Adware in IE? >> >> Hi, >> >> My sister just purchased a new Dell Latitude, with Win 8.1. Suddenly, >> pop-ups appeared all over IE, Firefox seemed to disappear and become >> Speed Browser, a bunch of icons appeared on her desktop that were >> unwelcome. I got into IE and found add-ons that were aggressive >> adware >> - at least a dozen of them - and their "disable" option was unavailable. > I >> did finally get rid of them, but I was astonished to see them in the >> first place. Has anybody else had this experience with a brand new machine? >> >> She had used IE to download Firefox, and was about to download her > favorite >> antivirus program, when pop-ups began proliferating all over the screen. >> Some had nice little Xs in the top right corner, that looked like >> commands to close, but, when she clicked the X instead of stopping, >> it behaved as though she had said "Yes, go ahead." This so >> frustrated her that she just shut down the computer. >> >> So, today, I spent several hours cleaning it up. >> >> Thanks, >> TNF >> >> -- >> Tina Norris Fields >> tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com >> 231-322-2787 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jbartow at winhaven.net Wed Dec 10 15:49:58 2014 From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2014 15:49:58 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Bundled Adware in IE? In-Reply-To: <5488B261.6050503@torchlake.com> References: <1826150755.21611.1418176540483.JavaMail.portal@wapmail-gadwalls.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <548879A1.8000609@torchlake.com> <5488B261.6050503@torchlake.com> Message-ID: <021601d014c3$3e99f600$bbcde200$@winhaven.net> Redirector malware. (We quit calling adware when it does something like this.) V9 was an especially difficult one to remove. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris Fields Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 2:52 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Bundled Adware in IE? Lambert, that certainly seems true, today, using my computer. Yesterday, using the new computer, we were consistently dumped into cnet. Wonder what I was doing wrong. If you have an idea about that, please let me know. Thanks. TNF Tina Norris Fields tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com 231-322-2787 On 12/10/2014 1:10 PM, Heenan, Lambert wrote: > Weird. The current DL link points to > https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/new/?scene=2#download-fx > > which downloads Firefox Setup Stub 34.0.5.exe and that does not appear to go anywhere near the dread CNET. > > Lambert > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina > Norris Fields > Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 11:50 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Bundled Adware in IE? > > Yeah, that's what I did - I went to mozilla.org, but the download links took us to cnet (definitely not my favorite place). > TNF > > Tina Norris Fields > tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com > 231-322-2787 > > On 12/10/2014 8:55 AM, Heenan, Lambert wrote: >> Exactly. What reason is there to go anywhere else but Mozilla.org? >> >> Not all add-ins are bad of course. Web Of Trust is one I have in Chrome that I would not do without. Nor have I found Chrome to be 'hammered' with any unwanted add-ins. IMHO a major culprit is installation programs for other programs which have additional payloads that install if you do not pay attention to all those dialog boxes in the install process. >> >> Lambert >> >> _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jbartow at winhaven.net Wed Dec 10 15:49:58 2014 From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2014 15:49:58 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Bundled Adware in IE? In-Reply-To: References: <1826150755.21611.1418176540483.JavaMail.portal@wapmail-gadwalls.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <548879A1.8000609@torchlake.com> <01aa01d014aa$9a654bb0$cf2fe310$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: <021701d014c3$3eccc5d0$bc665170$@winhaven.net> If she's intending to go to a specific URL and ends up at another one she most likely has a redirector infecting either her browser of her computer. It has nothing to do with Mozilla - unless they're hacked. Many search engine links had this problem a few years ago, so it's not without question but I would put my money on the browser. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 1:18 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Bundled Adware in IE? What makes you say that? What do you see that's not pointing at Mozilla? -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John R Bartow Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 1:54 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Bundled Adware in IE? Importance: High Appears to have a redirector installed. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 12:11 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Bundled Adware in IE? Weird. The current DL link points to https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/new/?scene=2#download-fx which downloads Firefox Setup Stub 34.0.5.exe and that does not appear to go anywhere near the dread CNET. Lambert -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris Fields Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 11:50 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Bundled Adware in IE? Yeah, that's what I did - I went to mozilla.org, but the download links took us to cnet (definitely not my favorite place). TNF Tina Norris Fields tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com 231-322-2787 On 12/10/2014 8:55 AM, Heenan, Lambert wrote: > Exactly. What reason is there to go anywhere else but Mozilla.org? > > Not all add-ins are bad of course. Web Of Trust is one I have in > Chrome that I would not do without. Nor have I found Chrome to be 'hammered' with any unwanted add-ins. IMHO a major culprit is installation programs for other programs which have additional payloads that install if you do not pay attention to all those dialog boxes in the install process. > > Lambert > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John R > Bartow > Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 11:52 PM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Bundled Adware in IE? > Importance: High > > Which brings up a good point - download from the original developer > (if possible). > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of > peter.brawley at earthlink.net > Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 7:56 PM > To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com; dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Bundled Adware in IE? > > most sites offering ff downloads bundle it with crapware. > > pb > > ---- Original Message ---- > From: "Tina Norris Fields" > Reply-To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > Date: 12/09/14 4:40 PM > To: "DatabaseAdvisors-Tech" > Cc: > Sub: [dba-Tech] Bundled Adware in IE? > Hi, > > My sister just purchased a new Dell Latitude, with Win 8.1. Suddenly, > pop-ups appeared all over IE, Firefox seemed to disappear and become > Speed Browser, a bunch of icons appeared on her desktop that were > unwelcome. I got into IE and found add-ons that were aggressive > adware > - at least a dozen of them - and their "disable" option was unavailable. I did finally get rid of them, but I was astonished to see them in the first place. Has anybody else had this experience with a brand new machine? > > She had used IE to download Firefox, and was about to download her favorite antivirus program, when pop-ups began proliferating all over the screen. > Some had nice little Xs in the top right corner, that looked like > commands to close, but, when she clicked the X instead of stopping, it behaved as though she had said "Yes, go ahead." This so frustrated her that she just shut down the computer. > > So, today, I spent several hours cleaning it up. > > Thanks, > TNF > > -- > Tina Norris Fields > tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com > 231-322-2787 > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > ---- End Original Message ---- > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From tinanfields at torchlake.com Wed Dec 10 16:37:14 2014 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2014 17:37:14 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Bundled Adware in IE? In-Reply-To: <1418247202644.74145@cactus.dk> References: <54876C35.9040208@torchlake.com> <02a201d013fb$496e9f90$dc4bdeb0$@winhaven.net> <54887909.1020303@torchlake.com> <01ab01d014aa$9a950e40$cfbf2ac0$@winhaven.net>, <5488B47B.10603@torchlake.com> <1418247202644.74145@cactus.dk> Message-ID: <5488CB1A.6090303@torchlake.com> Beautifully put. Thanks. What a shame! TNF Tina Norris Fields tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com 231-322-2787 On 12/10/2014 4:33 PM, Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi Tina > > That is easy: > > [seriously interference with clients' ability to use the legitimate software].ToTrouble().ToMoney() > < [support from badware suppliers].ToLessTrouble().ToMoney() > > /gustav > > > ________________________________________ > Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com p? vegne af Tina Norris Fields > Sendt: 10. december 2014 22:00 > Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Bundled Adware in IE? > > Yeah, I know. Yesterday, I fixed computer stuff for my sister and my > sister-in-law. Had I been charging, I'd have made about $500. But, I > don't charge family. And, besides, my sister gives me the benefit of her > medical training without charge, so we're good. > > I still wonder why the makers of a legitimate product, like IE or FF or > Chrome would bundle in aggressive adware. They have to know that will > seriously interfere with their clients' ability to use the legitimate > software. I just don't get that part. > > TNF > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From tinanfields at torchlake.com Wed Dec 10 16:39:25 2014 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2014 17:39:25 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Bundled Adware in IE? In-Reply-To: <021701d014c3$3eccc5d0$bc665170$@winhaven.net> References: <1826150755.21611.1418176540483.JavaMail.portal@wapmail-gadwalls.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <548879A1.8000609@torchlake.com> <01aa01d014aa$9a654bb0$cf2fe310$@winhaven.net> <021701d014c3$3eccc5d0$bc665170$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: <5488CB9D.4050400@torchlake.com> Yes, John and Lambert, I think that was the issue. Now that I have her computer cleaned up, I'll bet the issue has gone away. Thanks for all the good thinking. It helped a lot. TNF Tina Norris Fields tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com 231-322-2787 On 12/10/2014 4:49 PM, John R Bartow wrote: > If she's intending to go to a specific URL and ends up at another one she > most likely has a redirector infecting either her browser of her computer. > It has nothing to do with Mozilla - unless they're hacked. Many search > engine links had this problem a few years ago, so it's not without question > but I would put my money on the browser. > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert > Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 1:18 PM > To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Bundled Adware in IE? > > What makes you say that? What do you see that's not pointing at Mozilla? > > From tinanfields at torchlake.com Wed Dec 10 16:40:44 2014 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2014 17:40:44 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Bundled Adware in IE? In-Reply-To: <021601d014c3$3e99f600$bbcde200$@winhaven.net> References: <1826150755.21611.1418176540483.JavaMail.portal@wapmail-gadwalls.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <548879A1.8000609@torchlake.com> <5488B261.6050503@torchlake.com> <021601d014c3$3e99f600$bbcde200$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: <5488CBEC.4020702@torchlake.com> Yeah, I think it's malware, too. Thanks, John. I think you are right that the malware did the redirecting. TNF Tina Norris Fields tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com 231-322-2787 On 12/10/2014 4:49 PM, John R Bartow wrote: > Redirector malware. (We quit calling adware when it does something like > this.) V9 was an especially difficult one to remove. > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris > Fields > Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 2:52 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Bundled Adware in IE? > > Lambert, that certainly seems true, today, using my computer. > Yesterday, using the new computer, we were consistently dumped into cnet. > Wonder what I was doing wrong. If you have an idea about that, please let > me know. Thanks. > TNF > > Tina Norris Fields > tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com > 231-322-2787 > > On 12/10/2014 1:10 PM, Heenan, Lambert wrote: >> Weird. The current DL link points to >> https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/new/?scene=2#download-fx >> >> which downloads Firefox Setup Stub 34.0.5.exe and that does not appear to > go anywhere near the dread CNET. >> Lambert >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina >> Norris Fields >> Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 11:50 AM >> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues >> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Bundled Adware in IE? >> >> Yeah, that's what I did - I went to mozilla.org, but the download links > took us to cnet (definitely not my favorite place). >> TNF >> >> Tina Norris Fields >> tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com >> 231-322-2787 >> >> On 12/10/2014 8:55 AM, Heenan, Lambert wrote: >>> Exactly. What reason is there to go anywhere else but Mozilla.org? >>> >>> Not all add-ins are bad of course. Web Of Trust is one I have in Chrome > that I would not do without. Nor have I found Chrome to be 'hammered' with > any unwanted add-ins. IMHO a major culprit is installation programs for > other programs which have additional payloads that install if you do not pay > attention to all those dialog boxes in the install process. >>> Lambert >>> >>> > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From fuller.artful at gmail.com Thu Dec 11 08:17:27 2014 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2014 09:17:27 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Bundled Adware in IE? In-Reply-To: <5488CBEC.4020702@torchlake.com> References: <1826150755.21611.1418176540483.JavaMail.portal@wapmail-gadwalls.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <548879A1.8000609@torchlake.com> <5488B261.6050503@torchlake.com> <021601d014c3$3e99f600$bbcde200$@winhaven.net> <5488CBEC.4020702@torchlake.com> Message-ID: In my opinion, it should be illegal for any hardware vendor to do this. On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 5:40 PM, Tina Norris Fields < tinanfields at torchlake.com> wrote: > Yeah, I think it's malware, too. Thanks, John. I think you are right that > the malware did the redirecting. > TNF > > Tina Norris Fields > tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com > 231-322-2787 > > On 12/10/2014 4:49 PM, John R Bartow wrote: > >> Redirector malware. (We quit calling adware when it does something like >> this.) V9 was an especially difficult one to remove. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris >> Fields >> Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 2:52 PM >> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues >> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Bundled Adware in IE? >> >> Lambert, that certainly seems true, today, using my computer. >> Yesterday, using the new computer, we were consistently dumped into cnet. >> Wonder what I was doing wrong. If you have an idea about that, please let >> me know. Thanks. >> TNF >> >> Tina Norris Fields >> tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com >> 231-322-2787 >> >> On 12/10/2014 1:10 PM, Heenan, Lambert wrote: >> >>> Weird. The current DL link points to >>> https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/new/?scene=2#download-fx >>> >>> which downloads Firefox Setup Stub 34.0.5.exe and that does not appear to >>> >> go anywhere near the dread CNET. >> >>> Lambert >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina >>> Norris Fields >>> Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 11:50 AM >>> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues >>> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Bundled Adware in IE? >>> >>> Yeah, that's what I did - I went to mozilla.org, but the download links >>> >> took us to cnet (definitely not my favorite place). >> >>> TNF >>> >>> Tina Norris Fields >>> tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com >>> 231-322-2787 >>> >>> On 12/10/2014 8:55 AM, Heenan, Lambert wrote: >>> >>>> Exactly. What reason is there to go anywhere else but Mozilla.org? >>>> >>>> Not all add-ins are bad of course. Web Of Trust is one I have in Chrome >>>> >>> that I would not do without. Nor have I found Chrome to be 'hammered' >> with >> any unwanted add-ins. IMHO a major culprit is installation programs for >> other programs which have additional payloads that install if you do not >> pay >> attention to all those dialog boxes in the install process. >> >>> Lambert >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Arthur From tinanfields at torchlake.com Thu Dec 11 08:55:50 2014 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2014 09:55:50 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Bundled Adware in IE? In-Reply-To: References: <1826150755.21611.1418176540483.JavaMail.portal@wapmail-gadwalls.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <548879A1.8000609@torchlake.com> <5488B261.6050503@torchlake.com> <021601d014c3$3e99f600$bbcde200$@winhaven.net> <5488CBEC.4020702@torchlake.com> Message-ID: <5489B076.8000502@torchlake.com> I share your opinion. TNF Tina Norris Fields tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com 231-322-2787 On 12/11/2014 9:17 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > In my opinion, it should be illegal for any hardware vendor to do this. > > On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 5:40 PM, Tina Norris Fields < > tinanfields at torchlake.com> wrote: > >> Yeah, I think it's malware, too. Thanks, John. I think you are right that >> the malware did the redirecting. >> TNF >> >> Tina Norris Fields >> tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com >> 231-322-2787 >> >> From accessd at shaw.ca Fri Dec 12 11:03:40 2014 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2014 10:03:40 -0700 (MST) Subject: [dba-Tech] People of Denmark can now play Minecraft In-Reply-To: <0aac01d00b3b$f89f4d70$e9dde850$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: <143448444.69957319.1418403820721.JavaMail.root@cds018> There is now out a 1:1 representation of Denmark on Minecraft...the download is only about one TB. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/04/24/minecraft_players_can_now_download_denmark_in_11_scale Jim From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sun Dec 14 09:06:08 2014 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2014 10:06:08 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Audio equivalent to AMC Message-ID: I am an avid collector of DVD movies. The current count is about 1000. I found a free utility called Ant Movie Catalog which has proved invaluable. You type in either the title or the bar code number and then hit F6 and it reaches out to the net (depending on your settings, it might go to IMDB or DVDEmpire or whatever) and searches for said title, and upon success, grabs all the relevant data: producer, director, stars, synopsis and even an image of the DVD cover). As a result of this program, I have a printed catalog of all my DVDs, and make them available for loan to my friends at two local food banks. For want of a better term, I call this service "Arthur's Lending Library". The rules are simple: you may request up to five movies, which I write down and deliver the following week. You must return them the next week, else you cannot borrow more. Upon delivery, I write down a list of your borrows and you sign and date it. This service is enormously appreciated, and with the occasional exception, usually associated with the use of crack, fastidiously obeyed. I digress. It also happens that I have a collection of LP records that numbers into the thousands. I would love to find a program which performs the audio equivalent of AMC: I would type in the name of the recording and it would reach out to the net and return the list of tracks, the players, and perhaps also an image of the album cover. Do you know of such a program? -- Arthur From ssharkins at gmail.com Sun Dec 14 09:10:10 2014 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2014 10:10:10 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Audio equivalent to AMC In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sounds like a smart phone app in the making to me. You might make a tidy sum -- I'd love to hear where this goes! Susan H. On Sun, Dec 14, 2014 at 10:06 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > > I am an avid collector of DVD movies. The current count is about 1000. I > found a free utility called Ant Movie Catalog which has proved invaluable. > You type in either the title or the bar code number and then hit F6 and it > reaches out to the net (depending on your settings, it might go to IMDB or > DVDEmpire or whatever) and searches for said title, and upon success, grabs > all the relevant data: producer, director, stars, synopsis and even an > image of the DVD cover). As a result of this program, I have a printed > catalog of all my DVDs, and make them available for loan to my friends at > two local food banks. For want of a better term, I call this service > "Arthur's Lending Library". The rules are simple: you may request up to > five movies, which I write down and deliver the following week. You must > return them the next week, else you cannot borrow more. Upon delivery, I > write down a list of your borrows and you sign and date it. This service is > enormously appreciated, and with the occasional exception, usually > associated with the use of crack, fastidiously obeyed. > > I digress. It also happens that I have a collection of LP records that > numbers into the thousands. I would love to find a program which performs > the audio equivalent of AMC: I would type in the name of the recording and > it would reach out to the net and return the list of tracks, the players, > and perhaps also an image of the album cover. > > Do you know of such a program? > > -- > Arthur > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sun Dec 14 09:45:04 2014 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2014 10:45:04 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Audio equivalent to AMC In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Yeah, Susan! With a smart phone camera, you could scan the barcode and that's that. Sadly, however, a couple of thousand of my LPs predate the concept of barcodes, so you'd have to type the titles in LOL. Not a lot I can do about that aspect. As regards my record collection, almost all of them have been played only once: way back when, I had a TEAC reel-to-reel tape machine, and I would play each new record once, taping it, and from then on play the tape rather than the LP. I even went so far as to buy inner sleeves for them all. Over the years, I have sold some to various vendors of used LPs, virtually all of whom are astounded at the reverent care I have taken with them. Invariably, on their initial visit, they carefully inspect the surface of the records they're interested in acquiring, and marvel at their condition. On second and subsequent visits, they don't even bother. They simply assume the records will be in perfect condition. I guess I'm one of the few that insists that the vendors come here, rather than me taking the records there. But there are simply way too many to even consider me lugging them to their shops. There are now turntables that can plug into a USB port so you can play the record and capture its contents as an MP3 file. I think I need one of those. Does anyone have such a beast? Any recommendations as to brand and model? A. On Sun, Dec 14, 2014 at 10:10 AM, Susan Harkins wrote: > > Sounds like a smart phone app in the making to me. You might make a tidy > sum -- I'd love to hear where this goes! > > Susan H. > > From ssharkins at gmail.com Sun Dec 14 09:55:56 2014 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2014 10:55:56 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Audio equivalent to AMC Message-ID: On Sun, Dec 14, 2014 at 10:45 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > > Yeah, Susan! With a smart phone camera, you could scan the barcode and > that's that. Sadly, however, a couple of thousand of my LPs predate the > concept of barcodes, so you'd have to type the titles in LOL. Not a lot I > can do about that aspect. > ==========I don't think that's a big deal -- if they can retrieve all the info after typing the title... not a bit deal at all. Susan H. > > From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sun Dec 14 10:13:57 2014 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2014 11:13:57 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Audio equivalent to AMC In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I've just googled "digital turntable" and come up with quite a list, at a significant range of prices, too -- price ranges from $119 to ~$500, with a median of ~$249. Being a senior citizen (who else would have LPs released in 1955? I even have the original release of Dave Brubeck's "Take Five" and going even further back, a lot of Bird's first releases LOL). Chances are the young 'uns don't even know who Bird was (if you readers fall into that category, "Bird" was the nickname assigned to Charles Parker, the premier saxophonist of his time), price is a significant issue, and my tendency is to opt for the middle ground -- barring, of course, objections from you all who can demonstrate why going to the higher end is advantageous. Back to the original topic. Does anyone know of an audio equivalent to AMC (Ant Movie Catalog) or failing that, a site wherein I could enter the name of a recording in whatever format -- 33 rpm LP, 78, CD, etc.) and discover the data regarding it? Ideally, I would like to return at least the track list, and optionally the composer, players and an image of the cover. A. ? From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sun Dec 14 10:26:57 2014 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2014 11:26:57 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Audio equivalent to AMC In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Just one of the uses to which I might put such a program would be to assemble (via MediaMonkey or some equivalent) playlists consisting of just one piece -- say, all instances of "Martha My Dear" or "The Rite of Spring" so as to be able to play them back to back, to compare and contrast. For my money, the definitive version of The Rite was performed by the Columbia Symphony Orchestra and conducted by Igor himself. Most other versions seem lame by comparison, and oddly enough, one of the most lame was conducted by Pierre Boulez, no stranger to 20th century music, but he seemed to have missed the nail here. We all have our off-days, alas. From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk Sun Dec 14 13:34:26 2014 From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2014 19:34:26 +0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Audio equivalent to AMC In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: <976E500DD0AF35409874A413967BFAEC0167A6D3@EX2K10-MBX6.ads.qub.ac.uk> http://www.collectorz.com/music/ Sent from my Windows Phone ________________________________ From: Arthur Fuller Sent: ?14/?12/?2014 04:27 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Audio equivalent to AMC Just one of the uses to which I might put such a program would be to assemble (via MediaMonkey or some equivalent) playlists consisting of just one piece -- say, all instances of "Martha My Dear" or "The Rite of Spring" so as to be able to play them back to back, to compare and contrast. For my money, the definitive version of The Rite was performed by the Columbia Symphony Orchestra and conducted by Igor himself. Most other versions seem lame by comparison, and oddly enough, one of the most lame was conducted by Pierre Boulez, no stranger to 20th century music, but he seemed to have missed the nail here. We all have our off-days, alas. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sun Dec 14 16:13:06 2014 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2014 17:13:06 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Audio equivalent to AMC In-Reply-To: <976E500DD0AF35409874A413967BFAEC0167A6D3@EX2K10-MBX6.ads.qub.ac.uk> References: <976E500DD0AF35409874A413967BFAEC0167A6D3@EX2K10-MBX6.ads.qub.ac.uk> Message-ID: Thx for the linx Martin. On Sun, Dec 14, 2014 at 2:34 PM, Martin Reid wrote: > > http://www.collectorz.com/music/ > > Sent from my Windows Phone > ________________________________ > From: Arthur Fuller > Sent: ?14/?12/?2014 04:27 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com> > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Audio equivalent to AMC > > Just one of the uses to which I might put such a program would be to > assemble (via MediaMonkey or some equivalent) playlists consisting of just > one piece -- say, all instances of "Martha My Dear" or "The Rite of Spring" > so as to be able to play them back to back, to compare and contrast. For my > money, the definitive version of The Rite was performed by the Columbia > Symphony Orchestra and conducted by Igor himself. Most other versions seem > lame by comparison, and oddly enough, one of the most lame was conducted by > Pierre Boulez, no stranger to 20th century music, but he seemed to have > missed the nail here. We all have our off-days, alas. > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Arthur From marklbreen at gmail.com Mon Dec 15 03:17:54 2014 From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 09:17:54 +0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Audio equivalent to AMC In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello Arthur, do not be fooled. those turntables are just a cheap and nasty desk with a usb. All you need is a mini-jack to phono connecter and feed your deck into your pc. That is all the usb guys are doing. Depending on your head and the impediance, you may be better off taking a line output from your amp. All you get with those decks is the nasty deck and a piece of open source software. My father - in - law purchased one a few years ago. After realising the enormous task, he simply switched plans and instead decided to listen to his music. Mark On 14 December 2014 at 15:45, Arthur Fuller wrote: > > Yeah, Susan! With a smart phone camera, you could scan the barcode and > that's that. Sadly, however, a couple of thousand of my LPs predate the > concept of barcodes, so you'd have to type the titles in LOL. Not a lot I > can do about that aspect. > > As regards my record collection, almost all of them have been played only > once: way back when, I had a TEAC reel-to-reel tape machine, and I would > play each new record once, taping it, and from then on play the tape rather > than the LP. I even went so far as to buy inner sleeves for them all. Over > the years, I have sold some to various vendors of used LPs, virtually all > of whom are astounded at the reverent care I have taken with them. > Invariably, on their initial visit, they carefully inspect the surface of > the records they're interested in acquiring, and marvel at their condition. > On second and subsequent visits, they don't even bother. They simply assume > the records will be in perfect condition. > > I guess I'm one of the few that insists that the vendors come here, rather > than me taking the records there. But there are simply way too many to even > consider me lugging them to their shops. > > There are now turntables that can plug into a USB port so you can play the > record and capture its contents as an MP3 file. I think I need one of > those. Does anyone have such a beast? Any recommendations as to brand and > model? > > A. > > On Sun, Dec 14, 2014 at 10:10 AM, Susan Harkins > wrote: > > > > Sounds like a smart phone app in the making to me. You might make a tidy > > sum -- I'd love to hear where this goes! > > > > Susan H. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From gustav at cactus.dk Mon Dec 15 03:51:41 2014 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 09:51:41 +0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Audio equivalent to AMC Message-ID: Hi Mark and Arthur So true. There is no free lunch here. Without a high quality pickup and ditto RIAA preamp, you get nowhere anything that will match your old classic records. The cost of either of these components surpasses that of a cheap vinyl-USB player. I guess you (Arthur) already have a good record player and amplifier. If you insist on digitizing your records, spend the money on some clever software that will reduce cracks and noise - like SoundSoap: http://www.soundness-llc.com/products/soundsoap4/ You can watch a video demo. The vinyl part starts at about 2:45. For vinyls I would be reluctant touching that Enhance slider ... it seems most useful for bad audio on video recordings. /gustav -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Mark Breen Sendt: 15. december 2014 10:18 Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Audio equivalent to AMC Hello Arthur, do not be fooled. those turntables are just a cheap and nasty desk with a usb. All you need is a mini-jack to phono connecter and feed your deck into your pc. That is all the usb guys are doing. Depending on your head and the impediance, you may be better off taking a line output from your amp. All you get with those decks is the nasty deck and a piece of open source software. My father - in - law purchased one a few years ago. After realising the enormous task, he simply switched plans and instead decided to listen to his music. Mark On 14 December 2014 at 15:45, Arthur Fuller wrote: > > Yeah, Susan! With a smart phone camera, you could scan the barcode and > that's that. Sadly, however, a couple of thousand of my LPs predate > the concept of barcodes, so you'd have to type the titles in LOL. Not > a lot I can do about that aspect. > > As regards my record collection, almost all of them have been played only > once: way back when, I had a TEAC reel-to-reel tape machine, and I > would play each new record once, taping it, and from then on play the > tape rather than the LP. I even went so far as to buy inner sleeves > for them all. Over the years, I have sold some to various vendors of > used LPs, virtually all of whom are astounded at the reverent care I have taken with them. > Invariably, on their initial visit, they carefully inspect the surface > of the records they're interested in acquiring, and marvel at their condition. > On second and subsequent visits, they don't even bother. They simply > assume the records will be in perfect condition. > > I guess I'm one of the few that insists that the vendors come here, > rather than me taking the records there. But there are simply way too > many to even consider me lugging them to their shops. > > There are now turntables that can plug into a USB port so you can play > the record and capture its contents as an MP3 file. I think I need one > of those. Does anyone have such a beast? Any recommendations as to > brand and model? > > A. From fuller.artful at gmail.com Mon Dec 15 06:06:04 2014 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 07:06:04 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Audio equivalent to AMC In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: For anybody interested, I have found what appears to be precisely what I wanted in terms of a music catalog. It costs $29.95 CDN but there's a trial version that will catalog up to 100 albums. Of course it also handles CDs, and will reach out to the next to grab the relevant info. Or you can choose automatic cataloging, which means that you insert the CD and the program will read it to grab its unique identifier then reach to the central database and return the data, including an image of the disk cover. The database is searchable, of course. You can get the trial version from collectorz.com. Arthur ? From fuller.artful at gmail.com Mon Dec 15 06:31:00 2014 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 07:31:00 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] New Seagate drive Message-ID: Seagate has just released a hard drive with a capacity of 8TB, for a mere $260. This is getting ridiculous. That's not a complaint. -- Arthur From jon.tydda at lonza.com Mon Dec 15 07:33:06 2014 From: jon.tydda at lonza.com (Tydda Jon - Lonza Slough) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 13:33:06 +0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Audio equivalent to AMC In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Arthur Do you know that Windows Media Player does that when you insert a CD to rip it to your hard drive? Of course, you're then forced to use WMP as your catalogue and player, but all the information is there. I think iTunes probably does the same thing too, but I wouldn't install that unless you have an iPod or iPhone to plug into it. Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: 15 December 2014 12:06 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Audio equivalent to AMC For anybody interested, I have found what appears to be precisely what I wanted in terms of a music catalog. It costs $29.95 CDN but there's a trial version that will catalog up to 100 albums. Of course it also handles CDs, and will reach out to the next to grab the relevant info. Or you can choose automatic cataloging, which means that you insert the CD and the program will read it to grab its unique identifier then reach to the central database and return the data, including an image of the disk cover. The database is searchable, of course. You can get the trial version from collectorz.com. Arthur ? _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com ________________________________ This communication and its attachments, if any, may contain confidential and privileged information the use of which by other persons or entities than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you receive this transmission in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete the material from your system. From fuller.artful at gmail.com Mon Dec 15 09:10:34 2014 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 10:10:34 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Audio equivalent to AMC In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Jon, Yes cataloging CDs is easy. The problem I wanted to solve involves cataloging LP records. Remember those? On Mon, Dec 15, 2014 at 8:33 AM, Tydda Jon - Lonza Slough < jon.tydda at lonza.com> wrote: > > Hi Arthur > > Do you know that Windows Media Player does that when you insert a CD to > rip it to your hard drive? Of course, you're then forced to use WMP as your > catalogue and player, but all the information is there. I think iTunes > probably does the same thing too, but I wouldn't install that unless you > have an iPod or iPhone to plug into it. > > From jon.tydda at lonza.com Mon Dec 15 09:20:19 2014 From: jon.tydda at lonza.com (Tydda Jon - Lonza Slough) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 15:20:19 +0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Audio equivalent to AMC In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Vaguely... do you have to play BOTH sides? ;-) Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: 15 December 2014 15:11 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Audio equivalent to AMC Jon, Yes cataloging CDs is easy. The problem I wanted to solve involves cataloging LP records. Remember those? On Mon, Dec 15, 2014 at 8:33 AM, Tydda Jon - Lonza Slough < jon.tydda at lonza.com> wrote: > > Hi Arthur > > Do you know that Windows Media Player does that when you insert a CD > to rip it to your hard drive? Of course, you're then forced to use WMP > as your catalogue and player, but all the information is there. I > think iTunes probably does the same thing too, but I wouldn't install > that unless you have an iPod or iPhone to plug into it. > > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com ________________________________ This communication and its attachments, if any, may contain confidential and privileged information the use of which by other persons or entities than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you receive this transmission in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete the material from your system. From jbartow at winhaven.net Mon Dec 15 12:06:42 2014 From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 12:06:42 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Administrivia - DBA List Holiday Party (Fund Drive) Invitation Message-ID: Hi All! You're all invited to a Holiday Party! We're having a funding drive to keep these lists running. For the last year we've been running due to one person paying for the list costs. This has to end. If we get enough, they'll keep going. If we don't they'll just shut down some day and eventually you'll wonder why you're "not getting any email from the list lately". So pretend you're out at a holiday party with DBA and buy it a couple of craft brews or snifters, as that's all it'll take if everyone joins the party. Rest assured, DBA can handle as many drinks as it gets. And in any case, it'll take a taxi home. You can donate at: http://www.databaseadvisors.com/donations/donor.asp Sincerely, Your DBA Holiday Party Committee From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Dec 15 23:59:38 2014 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 22:59:38 -0700 (MST) Subject: [dba-Tech] New Seagate drive In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <2017460424.72890484.1418709578640.JavaMail.root@cds018> Hi Arthur: Not a bad price...amazingly enough I may need such a drive. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arthur Fuller" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Monday, December 15, 2014 4:31:00 AM Subject: [dba-Tech] New Seagate drive Seagate has just released a hard drive with a capacity of 8TB, for a mere $260. This is getting ridiculous. That's not a complaint. -- Arthur _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Tue Dec 16 00:08:28 2014 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2014 16:08:28 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] New Seagate drive In-Reply-To: <2017460424.72890484.1418709578640.JavaMail.root@cds018> References: , <2017460424.72890484.1418709578640.JavaMail.root@cds018> Message-ID: <548FCC5C.17040.9D2671E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> I was looking for a small USB external drive today to back up a laptop. The smallest I could get was 1TB. It cost me about $100 which is pretty good for here. -- Stuart On 15 Dec 2014 at 22:59, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Hi Arthur: > > Not a bad price...amazingly enough I may need such a drive. > > Jim > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Arthur Fuller" > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > Sent: Monday, December 15, 2014 > 4:31:00 AM Subject: [dba-Tech] New Seagate drive > > Seagate has just released a hard drive with a capacity of 8TB, for a > mere $260. This is getting ridiculous. That's not a complaint. > > -- > Arthur > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From fuller.artful at gmail.com Wed Dec 17 13:16:29 2014 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 14:16:29 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] R.I.P. Dr. Dobbs Message-ID: After 38 years, Dr. Dobbs will close its doors at the end of this year. Don't know about you, but I learned a lot from this magazine -cum-website. -- Arthur From marklbreen at gmail.com Wed Dec 17 17:42:43 2014 From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 23:42:43 +0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] New Seagate drive In-Reply-To: <548FCC5C.17040.9D2671E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <2017460424.72890484.1418709578640.JavaMail.root@cds018> <548FCC5C.17040.9D2671E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: Hello Stuart, wow, I just looked up .PG to see where it is. Do you live there? What is it like? Mark On 16 December 2014 at 06:08, Stuart McLachlan wrote: > > I was looking for a small USB external drive today to back up a laptop. > The smallest I could > get was 1TB. It cost me about $100 which is pretty good for here. > > -- > Stuart > > On 15 Dec 2014 at 22:59, Jim Lawrence wrote: > > > Hi Arthur: > > > > Not a bad price...amazingly enough I may need such a drive. > > > > Jim > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Arthur Fuller" > > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > Sent: Monday, December 15, 2014 > > 4:31:00 AM Subject: [dba-Tech] New Seagate drive > > > > Seagate has just released a hard drive with a capacity of 8TB, for a > > mere $260. This is getting ridiculous. That's not a complaint. > > > > -- > > Arthur > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From marklbreen at gmail.com Wed Dec 17 17:51:28 2014 From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 23:51:28 +0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Administrivia - DBA List Holiday Party (Fund Drive) Invitation In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello John, Paid a month, hope that is ok, thank you for everything you have done. When you say "keep everything going", what is that exactly, is it a windows server? or a hosted service? I ask because I use Amazon to host some sites and I am curious what sort of processing power / bandwidth / storage we need / use. On 15 December 2014 at 18:06, John R Bartow wrote: > > Hi All! > > You're all invited to a Holiday Party! > > > > We're having a funding drive to keep these lists running. For the last year > we've been running due to one person paying for the list costs. This has to > end. If we get enough, they'll keep going. If we don't they'll just shut > down some day and eventually you'll wonder why you're "not getting any > email > from the list lately". > > > > So pretend you're out at a holiday party with DBA and buy it a couple of > craft brews or snifters, as that's all it'll take if everyone joins the > party. Rest assured, DBA can handle as many drinks as it gets. And in any > case, it'll take a taxi home. > > > > You can donate at: > > http://www.databaseadvisors.com/donations/donor.asp > > > > Sincerely, > > Your DBA Holiday Party Committee > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Wed Dec 17 18:31:23 2014 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2014 10:31:23 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] New Seagate drive In-Reply-To: References: , <548FCC5C.17040.9D2671E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>, Message-ID: <5492205B.27800.12EA850A@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Yep, I've been here for the last 28 years :) I live in the capital, Port Moresby. What is it like? Interesting! -- Stuart On 17 Dec 2014 at 23:42, Mark Breen wrote: > Hello Stuart, > > wow, I just looked up .PG to see where it is. > > Do you live there? What is it like? > > Mark > > > > On 16 December 2014 at 06:08, Stuart McLachlan > wrote: > > I was looking for a small USB > external drive today to back up a laptop. > The smallest I could > get > was 1TB. It cost me about $100 which is pretty good for here. > > -- > > Stuart > > On 15 Dec 2014 at 22:59, Jim Lawrence wrote: > > > Hi > Arthur: > > > > Not a bad price...amazingly enough I may need such a > drive. > > > > Jim > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > "Arthur Fuller" > > To: "Discussion of > Hardware and Software issues" > > > Sent: Monday, December 15, 2014 > > 4:31:00 AM Subject: [dba-Tech] New > Seagate drive > > > > Seagate has just released a hard drive with a > capacity of 8TB, for a > > mere $260. This is getting ridiculous. > That's not a complaint. > > > > -- > > Arthur > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing > list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing > list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing > list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From mcp2004 at mail.ru Fri Dec 19 01:25:36 2014 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2014 10:25:36 +0300 Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?Administrivia_-_DBA_List_Holiday_Party_=28Fu?= =?utf-8?q?nd_Drive=29_Invitation?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1418973936.425372895@f362.i.mail.ru> Hi John -- What are the expected monthly costs to keep Database Advisors discussion lists' server(s) running? Thank you. -- Shamil Mon, 15 Dec 2014 12:06:42 -0600 from "John R Bartow" : >Hi All! > >You're all invited to a Holiday Party! > >? > >We're having a funding drive to keep these lists running. For the last year >we've been running due to one person paying for the list costs. This has to >end. If we get enough, they'll keep going. If we don't they'll just shut >down some day and eventually you'll wonder why you're "not getting any email >from the list lately". > >? > >So pretend you're out at a holiday party with DBA and buy it a couple of >craft brews or snifters, as that's all it'll take if everyone joins the >party. Rest assured, DBA can handle as many drinks as it gets. And in any >case, it'll take a taxi home. > >? > >You can donate at: > >http://www.databaseadvisors.com/donations/donor.asp > >? > >Sincerely, > >Your DBA Holiday Party Committee > >? > >? > >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From mcp2004 at mail.ru Fri Dec 19 01:37:42 2014 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2014 10:37:42 +0300 Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?Administrivia_-_DBA_List_Holiday_Party_=28Fu?= =?utf-8?q?nd_Drive=29_Invitation?= In-Reply-To: <1418973936.425372895@f362.i.mail.ru> References: <1418973936.425372895@f362.i.mail.ru> Message-ID: <1418974662.304175105@f327.i.mail.ru> Hi John -- Sorry, I have missed posted on Access-D info on this list monthly costs. I have just donated one quarter+ of year worth sum - I'm not sure how this country falling currency and economy will "feel" itself next year, I"m currently not even sure if PayPal will still be available here next year fall - so I have donated a few money in advance for the coming years :) Thank you for your great work. -- Shamil Fri, 19 Dec 2014 10:25:36 +0300 from Salakhetdinov Shamil : >Hi John -- > >What are the expected monthly costs to keep Database Advisors discussion lists' server(s) running? > >Thank you. > >-- Shamil > > >Mon, 15 Dec 2014 12:06:42 -0600 from "John R Bartow" < jbartow at winhaven.net >: >>Hi All! >> >>You're all invited to a Holiday Party! >> >>? >> >>We're having a funding drive to keep these lists running. For the last year >>we've been running due to one person paying for the list costs. This has to >>end. If we get enough, they'll keep going. If we don't they'll just shut >>down some day and eventually you'll wonder why you're "not getting any email >>from the list lately". >> >>? >> >>So pretend you're out at a holiday party with DBA and buy it a couple of >>craft brews or snifters, as that's all it'll take if everyone joins the >>party. Rest assured, DBA can handle as many drinks as it gets. And in any >>case, it'll take a taxi home. >> >>? >> >>You can donate at: >> >> http://www.databaseadvisors.com/donations/donor.asp >> >>? >> >>Sincerely, >> >>Your DBA Holiday Party Committee >> >>? >> >>? >> >>_______________________________________________ >>dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From ssharkins at gmail.com Fri Dec 19 05:24:06 2014 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2014 06:24:06 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Administrivia - DBA List Holiday Party (Fund Drive) Invitation Message-ID: > > > I have just donated one quarter+ of year worth sum - I'm not sure how this > country falling currency and economy will "feel" itself next year, I"m > currently not even sure if PayPal will still be available here next year > fall - so I have donated a few money in advance for the coming years :) > > Thank you for your great work. > > =========Shamil, I hope this time next year, the economy is improving and > you feel more hopeful. Susan H. > From mcp2004 at mail.ru Fri Dec 19 07:20:35 2014 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2014 16:20:35 +0300 Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?OT=3A_Re=5B2=5D=3A__Administrivia_-_DBA_List?= =?utf-8?q?_Holiday_Party_=28Fund_Drive=29_Invitation?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1418995235.49199564@f47.i.mail.ru> Hi Susan -- Thank you for your kind words. No way for this country's economy to change to the better (that quick) with the officials is currently has - and they seems to be planning to live forever. And I'm not. Optimistically yours from Saint-Petersburg, Russia ;) -- Shamil Fri, 19 Dec 2014 06:24:06 -0500 from Susan Harkins : >> >> >> I have just donated one quarter+ of year worth sum - I'm not sure how this >> country falling currency and economy will "feel" itself next year, I"m >> currently not even sure if PayPal will still be available here next year >> fall - so I have donated a few money in advance for the coming years :) >> >> Thank you for your great work. >> >> =========Shamil, I hope this time next year, the economy is improving and >> you feel more hopeful. > > >Susan H. > > >> >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From tinanfields at torchlake.com Fri Dec 19 08:44:33 2014 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2014 09:44:33 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Administrivia - DBA List Holiday Party (Fund Drive) Invitation In-Reply-To: <1418974662.304175105@f327.i.mail.ru> References: <1418973936.425372895@f362.i.mail.ru> <1418974662.304175105@f327.i.mail.ru> Message-ID: <549439D1.90105@torchlake.com> Shamil, Thanks for your generosity to this collegial effort. I hope your country's economic situation improves soon. Take care, dear friend. Best, NF Tina Norris Fields tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com 231-322-2787 On 12/19/2014 2:37 AM, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote: > Hi John -- > > Sorry, I have missed posted on Access-D info on this list monthly costs. > > I have just donated one quarter+ of year worth sum - I'm not sure how this country falling currency and economy will "feel" itself next year, I"m currently not even sure if PayPal will still be available here next year fall - so I have donated a few money in advance for the coming years :) > > Thank you for your great work. > > -- Shamil > > From fuller.artful at gmail.com Fri Dec 19 09:26:08 2014 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2014 10:26:08 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: Re[2]: Administrivia - DBA List Holiday Party (Fund Drive) Invitation In-Reply-To: <1418995235.49199564@f47.i.mail.ru> References: <1418995235.49199564@f47.i.mail.ru> Message-ID: Being now retired and living on a decidedly limited pension, my contribution will be small compared to others', but at least it's > 0. Regarding the talk about the possibility that our site may have outlived its usefulness, I disagree. Granted, there is much less activity on the AccessD list than in previous years, but that IMO is no reason to kill the goose. Rather, I think there are two reasons for this: a) many of us have learned an enormous number of tricks and techniques for Access development, and no longer have to ask how to achieve something; and b) Access itself seems to have lost steam, and consequently many of us have moved on. However, the Hardware and Software Issues and the OT lists remain quite active. Perhaps a solution may lie in creating some new lists, that reflect the new directions we have taken. Some subjects that come to mind include Word and Excel, C#, JavaScript/jQuery, and general web development. As for me, I am concentrating my energies on Alpha Anywhere. I think not many of us have made that choice, for various reasons, but that might also serve as a way to attract new listers to join us. Any thoughts on this? Arthur ? From fuller.artful at gmail.com Fri Dec 19 09:37:12 2014 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2014 10:37:12 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Questions about Lenovo ThnkPad T410 Message-ID: A friend of mine recently bought the laptop named above. She is not at all computer-adept, and won't do much of anything besides write, browse the net, and watch movies. Fortunately, it came with windows 7. I've set her up with OpenOffice so she can write, and Chrome so she can browse, and that's about as far as we've got so far. Anyway, I've never seen this make/model of laptop before, and a few things about the machine puzzle me (printed docs don't seem to have been included). There's a red button dead-center in the keyboard, just below the G and H keys. I can't figure out what it does. Just above the mouse-pad there are a pair of buttons with an orange stripe across their bottom edge, and another button in between them. I have no idea what these buttons are for, either. Does anybody have this model and/or know what these buttons do? The answers would be much appreciated. -- Arthur From ssharkins at gmail.com Fri Dec 19 09:37:30 2014 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2014 10:37:30 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: Re[2]: Administrivia - DBA List Holiday Party (Fund Drive) Invitation Message-ID: > > Perhaps a solution may lie in creating some new lists, that reflect the new > directions we have taken. Some subjects that come to mind include Word and > Excel, C#, JavaScript/jQuery, and general web development. As for me, I am > concentrating my energies on Alpha Anywhere. I think not many of us have > made that choice, for various reasons, but that might also serve as a way > to attract new listers to join us. > > Any thoughts on this? > > ===========Arthur, we just launched an MS Office list last week. http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-office Which reminds me -- that article I'm writing on free Office resources lists us and refers to Accessd and dba-office. Thanks for getting that link up so quickly! Susan H. From fuller.artful at gmail.com Fri Dec 19 09:42:17 2014 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2014 10:42:17 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: Re[2]: Administrivia - DBA List Holiday Party (Fund Drive) Invitation In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Susan, Glad to hear there's a new Office list! On Fri, Dec 19, 2014 at 10:37 AM, Susan Harkins wrote: > > > ===========Arthur, we just launched an MS Office list last week. > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-office > > Which reminds me -- that article I'm writing on free Office resources lists > us and refers to Accessd and dba-office. Thanks for getting that link up so > quickly! > > Susan H. > From jon.tydda at lonza.com Fri Dec 19 09:47:09 2014 From: jon.tydda at lonza.com (Tydda Jon - Lonza Slough) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2014 15:47:09 +0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Questions about Lenovo ThnkPad T410 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4502c38ad6f1460696e60eeafcad054f@CHVEX12.lonzagroup.net> Hi Arthur We use Lenovo laptops here at work, that red button is a mouse. If you press it and push towards the top of the keyboard, the cursor will move up the screen. The ones with the red line on are the mouse buttons for that mouse. Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: 19 December 2014 15:37 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Questions about Lenovo ThnkPad T410 A friend of mine recently bought the laptop named above. She is not at all computer-adept, and won't do much of anything besides write, browse the net, and watch movies. Fortunately, it came with windows 7. I've set her up with OpenOffice so she can write, and Chrome so she can browse, and that's about as far as we've got so far. Anyway, I've never seen this make/model of laptop before, and a few things about the machine puzzle me (printed docs don't seem to have been included). There's a red button dead-center in the keyboard, just below the G and H keys. I can't figure out what it does. Just above the mouse-pad there are a pair of buttons with an orange stripe across their bottom edge, and another button in between them. I have no idea what these buttons are for, either. Does anybody have this model and/or know what these buttons do? The answers would be much appreciated. -- Arthur _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com ________________________________ This communication and its attachments, if any, may contain confidential and privileged information the use of which by other persons or entities than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you receive this transmission in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete the material from your system. From df.waters at outlook.com Fri Dec 19 10:45:30 2014 From: df.waters at outlook.com (Dan Waters) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2014 10:45:30 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: Re[2]: Administrivia - DBA List Holiday Party (Fund Drive) Invitation In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Donation Complete! I hope everyone has a great Holiday! Thanks to everyone for all the help you've given over many years, Dan -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Friday, December 19, 2014 9:42 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] OT: Re[2]: Administrivia - DBA List Holiday Party (Fund Drive) Invitation Susan, Glad to hear there's a new Office list! On Fri, Dec 19, 2014 at 10:37 AM, Susan Harkins wrote: > > > ===========Arthur, we just launched an MS Office list last week. > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-office > > Which reminds me -- that article I'm writing on free Office resources > lists us and refers to Accessd and dba-office. Thanks for getting that > link up so quickly! > > Susan H. > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Fri Dec 19 12:15:33 2014 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2014 13:15:33 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Questions about Lenovo ThnkPad T410 In-Reply-To: <4502c38ad6f1460696e60eeafcad054f@CHVEX12.lonzagroup.net> References: <4502c38ad6f1460696e60eeafcad054f@CHVEX12.lonzagroup.net> Message-ID: Thanks, Jon. I never would have figured that out on my own. A. On Fri, Dec 19, 2014 at 10:47 AM, Tydda Jon - Lonza Slough < jon.tydda at lonza.com> wrote: > > Hi Arthur > > We use Lenovo laptops here at work, that red button is a mouse. If you > press it and push towards the top of the keyboard, the cursor will move up > the screen. The ones with the red line on are the mouse buttons for that > mouse. > > > Jon From fuller.artful at gmail.com Fri Dec 19 12:29:25 2014 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2014 13:29:25 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Questions about Lenovo ThnkPad T410 In-Reply-To: References: <4502c38ad6f1460696e60eeafcad054f@CHVEX12.lonzagroup.net> Message-ID: Jon, Since you have experience with these laptops, I have one more question: how do I activate the box for wi-fi? (It's Windows 7 Pro 64-bit, in case that matters.) Arthur ? From jon at tydda.plus.com Fri Dec 19 13:18:03 2014 From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2014 19:18:03 +0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Questions about Lenovo ThnkPad T410 In-Reply-To: References: <4502c38ad6f1460696e60eeafcad054f@CHVEX12.lonzagroup.net> Message-ID: <36F9C32D-C59F-40FB-BE09-58B14D2C4F7C@tydda.plus.com> On the T410 there's a sliding switch on the side, make sure the green bit is showing. If that's already on, press Fn + F8, and that brings up an on screen menu where you can turn wireless and Bluetooth on and off. Sent from my iPhone 7 (Beta) > On 19 Dec 2014, at 18:29, Arthur Fuller wrote: > > Jon, > > Since you have experience with these laptops, I have one more question: how > do I activate the box for wi-fi? (It's Windows 7 Pro 64-bit, in case that > matters.) > > Arthur > ? > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Fri Dec 19 13:38:33 2014 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2014 14:38:33 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: Re[2]: Administrivia - DBA List Holiday Party (Fund Drive) Invitation In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Susan et. al. I just visited our site to sign up for the new list and didn't see it on the mailing lists page. I want to subscribe to this new list. Slightly unrelated... I have another article to post. I thought that I already sent it in but don't see it in the list of my articles. It's about a smarter treeview. To whom should I send it so that it gets posted and included in the list of articles by me? Arthur ? From fuller.artful at gmail.com Fri Dec 19 13:51:01 2014 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2014 14:51:01 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] gMail / gCalendar question Message-ID: Long ago, I pretty much abandoned Outlook, principally because I work from several computers and having all the data stored in the gCloud is a lot simpler than achieving the same in Outlook. That said, Outlook has two features that I sorely miss in gMail and gCalendar: the sound alerts. Is there some setting or other method to make gMail/gCalendar issue a sound when something happens (i.e. arrival of new mail, arrival of an event-time? When binge-ing on Breaking Bad or Orange is The New Black, I want sound-alerts, so I know that something happened, so I can hit Pause and check out said event. -- Arthur From jbartow at winhaven.net Fri Dec 19 13:49:19 2014 From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2014 13:49:19 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Administrivia - We've added a new list that you may wish to subscribe to Message-ID: Hi All, Database Advisors recently added a new list-dba-office. This list will be a resource for Microsoft Office users and developers. Don't worry, the Access-d list isn't going anywhere, but Access is a part of the MS Office suite so discussions about Access are welcome on dba-office too. To join, visit http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-office. Dba-office will be moderated by none other than Susan Harkins, one of our long standing members. Susan writes about MS Office and other assorted technologies. From carbonnb at gmail.com Fri Dec 19 14:02:21 2014 From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2014 15:02:21 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: Re[2]: Administrivia - DBA List Holiday Party (Fund Drive) Invitation In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: If you follow the link that Susan posted, it will take you directly to the list page where you can subscribe. B On Fri, Dec 19, 2014 at 2:38 PM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > Susan et. al. > > I just visited our site to sign up for the new list and didn't see it on > the mailing lists page. I want to subscribe to this new list. > > Slightly unrelated... I have another article to post. I thought that I > already sent it in but don't see it in the list of my articles. It's about > a smarter treeview. To whom should I send it so that it gets posted and > included in the list of articles by me? > > Arthur > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "What a great ride!" From carbonnb at gmail.com Fri Dec 19 14:08:09 2014 From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2014 15:08:09 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] gMail / gCalendar question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: For calendar you will need to enable a Calendar Labs option called Gentle notification. Once that is done, there will be a series of settings on the genral tab you can enable to do what you want. For GMail, look in the Desktop Notifications section of the general tab. There is a popup notification option there. No sound option on mine though. B On Fri, Dec 19, 2014 at 2:51 PM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > Long ago, I pretty much abandoned Outlook, principally because I work from > several computers and having all the data stored in the gCloud is a lot > simpler than achieving the same in Outlook. That said, Outlook has two > features that I sorely miss in gMail and gCalendar: the sound alerts. > > Is there some setting or other method to make gMail/gCalendar issue a sound > when something happens (i.e. arrival of new mail, arrival of an event-time? > When binge-ing on Breaking Bad or Orange is The New Black, I want > sound-alerts, so I know that something happened, so I can hit Pause and > check out said event. > > -- > Arthur > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "What a great ride!" From fuller.artful at gmail.com Fri Dec 19 14:39:23 2014 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2014 15:39:23 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] gMail / gCalendar question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks, Bryan, I suppose the only way to achieve what I want is to hook Outlook to read my gMail and gCalendar to Outlook and get the alerts from Outlook. It sucks as a solution, but might just work, at least from home. A. ? From ssharkins at gmail.com Fri Dec 19 15:07:22 2014 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2014 16:07:22 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] gMail / gCalendar question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Have you considered Outlook.com? Susan H. On Fri, Dec 19, 2014 at 2:51 PM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > Long ago, I pretty much abandoned Outlook, principally because I work from > several computers and having all the data stored in the gCloud is a lot > simpler than achieving the same in Outlook. That said, Outlook has two > features that I sorely miss in gMail and gCalendar: the sound alerts. > > Is there some setting or other method to make gMail/gCalendar issue a sound > when something happens (i.e. arrival of new mail, arrival of an event-time? > When binge-ing on Breaking Bad or Orange is The New Black, I want > sound-alerts, so I know that something happened, so I can hit Pause and > check out said event. > > -- > Arthur > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From carbonnb at gmail.com Fri Dec 19 15:54:17 2014 From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2014 16:54:17 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] gMail / gCalendar question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: If you are watching your computer, then what is wrong with just popups? Of do you really need the audible notification too? Cause with what I posted, you are 3/4 of the way there. B On Dec 19, 2014 3:39 PM, "Arthur Fuller" wrote: > Thanks, Bryan, > > I suppose the only way to achieve what I want is to hook Outlook to read my > gMail and gCalendar to Outlook and get the alerts from Outlook. It sucks as > a solution, but might just work, at least from home. > > A. > ? > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From fuller.artful at gmail.com Fri Dec 19 17:47:00 2014 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2014 18:47:00 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Questions about Lenovo ThnkPad T410 In-Reply-To: <36F9C32D-C59F-40FB-BE09-58B14D2C4F7C@tydda.plus.com> References: <4502c38ad6f1460696e60eeafcad054f@CHVEX12.lonzagroup.net> <36F9C32D-C59F-40FB-BE09-58B14D2C4F7C@tydda.plus.com> Message-ID: Many thanks, Jon. Mucho apprecianato. Most of my technology is years old, and since I've officially retired (or as was said in The Godfather, "I keep trying to get out, but they keep dragging me back in." I guess that this is our sorry state. Once you join the cyber-expert mafia, there are only two ways out: you die of natural causes or you die by other means (c.fhunhu's "The Art of War"; and extending to Machiavelli's The Prince. On Fri, Dec 19, 2014 at 2:18 PM, Jon Tydda wrote: > > On the T410 there's a sliding switch on the side, make sure the green bit > is showing. If that's already on, press Fn + F8, and that brings up an on > screen menu where you can turn wireless and Bluetooth on and off. > > Sent from my iPhone 7 (Beta) > > > On 19 Dec 2014, at 18:29, Arthur Fuller wrote: > > > > Jon, > > > > Since you have experience with these laptops, I have one more question: > how > > do I activate the box for wi-fi? (It's Windows 7 Pro 64-bit, in case that > > matters.) > > > > Arthur > > ? > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Arthur From mcp2004 at mail.ru Sat Dec 20 02:54:17 2014 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2014 11:54:17 +0300 Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?=2ENET/Windows_applications_memory_=28leakag?= =?utf-8?q?e=29_and_performance_profilers?= Message-ID: <1419065657.484675748@f345.i.mail.ru> Hi All -- I'm looking for a subject professional tool. The memory leakage issue for my customer app isn't critical (a 200+MB after a week of non-stop running) but it would be professional to solve it. Here is the list of the tools I have found so far. AFAIKR I have used one of them in the past in trial mode (but I cannot remember which one) to effectively solve real critical memory leakage issue. Now is the time to purchase a full version - still to decide which one: it should be memory/performance profiler with user friendly interface for both .NET (Managed) apps and just MS Windows unmanaged apps. Glowcode 9.2 from the below list seems to be the only candidate? Do you know about any other? 1. GlowCode 9.2 - $499, full version trial for 21 days after registration http://www.glowcode.com/index.htm 2. .NET Memory Profiler - $349 - free trial for seven days http://memprofiler.com/download.aspx 3. ANTS Memory Profiler - $619, free trial for 14 days . http://www.red-gate.com/products/dotnet-development/ants-memory-profiler/ 4. dotTRace ($249 or $599 within ReSharper Ultimate) - free trial (full version?) of *actual usage* for ten days https://www.jetbrains.com/profiler/ 5. .Net Memory Validator - $199.00 - full version trial for 30 days http://www.softwareverify.com/memory-leak-detection.php 6. CLR Profiler (v1.1) - free http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=14727 7. Free within Visual Studio 2013 Ultimate Debugging Memory Leaks Using New NET Memory Diagnostic Tools http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lU_YZtvslnI Thank you. -- ???????????? ?????? From mcp2004 at mail.ru Sat Dec 20 02:58:19 2014 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2014 11:58:19 +0300 Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?=2ENET_obfuscators?= Message-ID: <1419065899.477311699@f197.i.mail.ru> Hi All -- Do you use any of the tools from the following list ?: List of obfuscators for .NET http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_obfuscators_for_.NET Thank you. -- ???????????? ?????? From gustav at cactus.dk Sat Dec 20 03:22:46 2014 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2014 09:22:46 +0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Questions about Lenovo ThnkPad T410 In-Reply-To: References: <4502c38ad6f1460696e60eeafcad054f@CHVEX12.lonzagroup.net> <36F9C32D-C59F-40FB-BE09-58B14D2C4F7C@tydda.plus.com>, Message-ID: <1419067365840.47570@cactus.dk> Hi Arthur That's not a sorry state. That's what keep you alive. /gustav ________________________________________ Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com p? vegne af Arthur Fuller Sendt: 20. december 2014 00:47 Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Questions about Lenovo ThnkPad T410 Many thanks, Jon. Mucho apprecianato. Most of my technology is years old, and since I've officially retired (or as was said in The Godfather, "I keep trying to get out, but they keep dragging me back in." I guess that this is our sorry state. Once you join the cyber-expert mafia, there are only two ways out: you die of natural causes or you die by other means (c.fhunhu's "The Art of War"; and extending to Machiavelli's The Prince. From gustav at cactus.dk Sat Dec 20 03:32:23 2014 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2014 09:32:23 +0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] .NET/Windows applications memory (leakage) and performance profilers In-Reply-To: <1419065657.484675748@f345.i.mail.ru> References: <1419065657.484675748@f345.i.mail.ru> Message-ID: <1419067942994.7895@cactus.dk> Hi Shamil The only one I've heard of is ANTS but it doesn't say much as I've never had need for such tool. However, I believe the Visual Studio 2013 Ultimate will run for 90 days in non-registered mode, so that should give you amble time for debugging. If not, install it in a VM; after 90 days, delete and recreate the VM with a new install of VS. It's perfectly valid - in fact, if you watch some of the MVA courses, the instructors often run non-activated/registered Windows and software even though you would expect them to have access to all the licenses they could need. /gustav ________________________________________ Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com p? vegne af Salakhetdinov Shamil Sendt: 20. december 2014 09:54 Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Emne: [dba-Tech] .NET/Windows applications memory (leakage) and performance profilers Hi All -- I'm looking for a subject professional tool. The memory leakage issue for my customer app isn't critical (a 200+MB after a week of non-stop running) but it would be professional to solve it. Here is the list of the tools I have found so far. AFAIKR I have used one of them in the past in trial mode (but I cannot remember which one) to effectively solve real critical memory leakage issue. Now is the time to purchase a full version - still to decide which one: it should be memory/performance profiler with user friendly interface for both .NET (Managed) apps and just MS Windows unmanaged apps. Glowcode 9.2 from the below list seems to be the only candidate? Do you know about any other? 1. GlowCode 9.2 - $499, full version trial for 21 days after registration http://www.glowcode.com/index.htm 2. .NET Memory Profiler - $349 - free trial for seven days http://memprofiler.com/download.aspx 3. ANTS Memory Profiler - $619, free trial for 14 days . http://www.red-gate.com/products/dotnet-development/ants-memory-profiler/ 4. dotTRace ($249 or $599 within ReSharper Ultimate) - free trial (full version?) of *actual usage* for ten days https://www.jetbrains.com/profiler/ 5. .Net Memory Validator - $199.00 - full version trial for 30 days http://www.softwareverify.com/memory-leak-detection.php 6. CLR Profiler (v1.1) - free http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=14727 7. Free within Visual Studio 2013 Ultimate Debugging Memory Leaks Using New NET Memory Diagnostic Tools http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lU_YZtvslnI Thank you. -- ???????????? ?????? From gustav at cactus.dk Sat Dec 20 03:37:10 2014 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2014 09:37:10 +0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] .NET obfuscators In-Reply-To: <1419065899.477311699@f197.i.mail.ru> References: <1419065899.477311699@f197.i.mail.ru> Message-ID: <1419068229425.95410@cactus.dk> Hi Shamil Short answer: No. Besides, it's my impression that the available deobfuscators are quite cabable, thus you should seek other methods to stay ahead of the bad guys. /gustav ________________________________________ Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com p? vegne af Salakhetdinov Shamil Sendt: 20. december 2014 09:58 Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Emne: [dba-Tech] .NET obfuscators Hi All -- Do you use any of the tools from the following list ?: List of obfuscators for .NET http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_obfuscators_for_.NET Thank you. -- ???????????? ?????? From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sat Dec 20 03:47:22 2014 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2014 04:47:22 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: Re[2]: Administrivia - DBA List Holiday Party (Fund Drive) Invitation In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks Bryan. Oh and incidentally, happy anniversary! You have done more than most to make our community happen, and as an added bonus, your contributions to CBC are invaluable. (I have a couple of radios, whose channel selector goes unused; they might as well be locked on CBC.) 'Twas a sad day to see the demise of "Republic of Doyle". In retrospect, I ween that the real star of that series was not Doyle but rather St. John's. They have a way of painting their buildings that takes my breath away; I know that it's a direct architectural consequence of being an island but that doesn't matter; the result has been lots of buildings assembled from wood and painted in most wonderful colours. Dunno what's currently in the channel for the upcoming season, but I surely take pride in our recent offerings. Got to admit that I'm a total sucker for horses (this goes way back to when I was a guide at a riding academy/horse ranch). so Heartland speaks to me. And at the opposite end of the spectrum, the three series by Chris Haddock (da Vinci's Inquest, da Vinci's City Hall, and Intelligence) stand as the best it gets -- masterpieces all. Somewhere in the middle lie such brilliant shows as Dragons' Den and Steven and Chris and the late-lamented Dispatches with Rick McInniis-Rae (sp?). I feel lucky to be able to enjoy CBC, on both the radio and the TV channels. On Fri, Dec 19, 2014 at 3:02 PM, Bryan Carbonnell wrote: > If you follow the link that Susan posted, it will take you directly to > the list page where you can subscribe. > > B > > On Fri, Dec 19, 2014 at 2:38 PM, Arthur Fuller > wrote: > > Susan et. al. > > > > I just visited our site to sign up for the new list and didn't see it on > > the mailing lists page. I want to subscribe to this new list. > > > > Slightly unrelated... I have another article to post. I thought that I > > already sent it in but don't see it in the list of my articles. It's > about > > a smarter treeview. To whom should I send it so that it gets posted and > > included in the list of articles by me? > > > > Arthur > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > -- > Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com > Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well > preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, > shouting "What a great ride!" > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Arthur From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sat Dec 20 04:16:26 2014 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2014 05:16:26 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Questions about Lenovo ThnkPad T410 In-Reply-To: <1419067365840.47570@cactus.dk> References: <4502c38ad6f1460696e60eeafcad054f@CHVEX12.lonzagroup.net> <36F9C32D-C59F-40FB-BE09-58B14D2C4F7C@tydda.plus.com> <1419067365840.47570@cactus.dk> Message-ID: My best friend and co-author, Peter Brawley, besides being a neurosurgeon and psychiatrist and expert programmer, also has a way with words. And his prognis is this: the best defense against Alzheimers and other dimentias is to keep thinking. While I do not enjoy his credentials, my take on this is simpler: the brain is a muscle; use it or lose it. Which reminds me, time to do my sit-ups and push-ups A On Sat, Dec 20, 2014 at 4:22 AM, Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi Arthur > > That's not a sorry state. That's what keep you alive. > > /gustav > > ________________________________________ > Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com < > dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> p? vegne af Arthur Fuller < > fuller.artful at gmail.com> > Sendt: 20. december 2014 00:47 > Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Questions about Lenovo ThnkPad T410 > > Many thanks, Jon. Mucho apprecianato. > > Most of my technology is years old, and since I've officially retired (or > as was said in The Godfather, "I keep trying to get out, but they keep > dragging me back in." I guess that this is our sorry state. Once you join > the cyber-expert mafia, there are only two ways out: you die of natural > causes or you die by other means (c.fhunhu's "The Art of War"; and > extending to Machiavelli's The Prince. > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Arthur From accessd at shaw.ca Sat Dec 20 22:19:56 2014 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2014 21:19:56 -0700 (MST) Subject: [dba-Tech] R.I.P. Dr. Dobbs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <874016267.77554597.1419135596576.JavaMail.root@cds018> The standard by which all coding will be judged. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arthur Fuller" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 11:16:29 AM Subject: [dba-Tech] R.I.P. Dr. Dobbs After 38 years, Dr. Dobbs will close its doors at the end of this year. Don't know about you, but I learned a lot from this magazine -cum-website. -- Arthur _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sun Dec 21 06:47:20 2014 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2014 07:47:20 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] R.I.P. Dr. Dobbs In-Reply-To: <874016267.77554597.1419135596576.JavaMail.root@cds018> References: <874016267.77554597.1419135596576.JavaMail.root@cds018> Message-ID: When I wrote "I learned a lot" from Dr. Dobbs, upon reflection I think I pretty much learned Everything that I know from those esteemed pages. There were to be sure some other helpers (persons), but Dr. Dobbs was the fount from which I freely drank, and became a DobbsAholic, so to speak. Back in the day, I typed in lots of C code and studied it and ran it and occasionally even tweaked it. And that's how a programmer is born. I gotta grab all the on-line issues, if only for posterity. On Sat, Dec 20, 2014 at 11:19 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > The standard by which all coding will be judged. > > Jim From ssharkins at gmail.com Sun Dec 21 10:34:03 2014 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2014 11:34:03 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Disposing old equipment Message-ID: What do you guys do with your obsolete hardware? Susan H. From carbonnb at gmail.com Sun Dec 21 10:42:55 2014 From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2014 11:42:55 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Disposing old equipment In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I use an electronic recycler that pays for your used electronics by the pound. Is not a lot, but it's bought us a few breakfasts on cleanup Saturdays in the past. Just look in your yellow pages. I actually take out the hard drives and physically destroy them myself using a big hammer and screw driver. B On Dec 21, 2014 11:34 AM, "Susan Harkins" wrote: > What do you guys do with your obsolete hardware? > > Susan H. > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sun Dec 21 11:30:58 2014 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2014 12:30:58 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Disposing old equipment In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Bryan, Mucho mucho macho. Looks good on ya. On Sun, Dec 21, 2014 at 11:42 AM, Bryan Carbonnell wrote: > I use an electronic recycler that pays for your used electronics by the > pound. > > Is not a lot, but it's bought us a few breakfasts on cleanup Saturdays in > the past. > > Just look in your yellow pages. > > I actually take out the hard drives and physically destroy them myself > using a big hammer and screw driver. From df.waters at outlook.com Sun Dec 21 13:04:03 2014 From: df.waters at outlook.com (Dan Waters) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2014 13:04:03 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Disposing old equipment In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Susan, I put them up for auction on e-bay - what's obsolete to you is probably fine with someone else. And, you won't have to pay for recycling products like I do in my area. For hard drives I use a software utility to put all 0's and 1's on the disk which will remove any data you have there. I've also been using a program named HDTune to analyze the disk for errors, then I take a screenshot of those windows and post them with the disk. Don't know if that helps but maybe! Best Holidays! Dan -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2014 10:34 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Disposing old equipment What do you guys do with your obsolete hardware? Susan H. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From mcp2004 at mail.ru Sun Dec 21 14:38:32 2014 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2014 23:38:32 +0300 Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?=2ENET/Windows_applications_memory_=28leakag?= =?utf-8?q?e=29_and_performance_profilers?= In-Reply-To: <1419067942994.7895@cactus.dk> References: <1419065657.484675748@f345.i.mail.ru> <1419067942994.7895@cactus.dk> Message-ID: <1419194312.514884000@f31.i.mail.ru> Hi Gustav -- I'm considering to choose and to purchase a commercial edition of a subject tool: it could be a good business opportunity to become memory leakages fixing/performance profiling/fixing expert/consultant armored with professional tools - a kind of "memory plumber" you know ;) Do you need one?? -- Shamil Sat, 20 Dec 2014 09:32:23 +0000 from Gustav Brock : >Hi Shamil > >The only one I've heard of is ANTS but it doesn't say much as I've never had need for such tool. > >However, I believe the Visual Studio 2013 Ultimate will run for 90 days in non-registered mode, so that should give you amble time for debugging. If not, install it in a VM; after 90 days, delete and recreate the VM with a new install of VS. It's perfectly valid - in fact, if you watch some of the MVA courses, the instructors often run non-activated/registered Windows and software even though you would expect them to have access to all the licenses they could need. > >/gustav > >________________________________________ >Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com < dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > p? vegne af Salakhetdinov Shamil < mcp2004 at mail.ru > >Sendt: 20. december 2014 09:54 >Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues >Emne: [dba-Tech] .NET/Windows applications memory (leakage) and performance profilers > >?Hi All -- > >I'm looking for a subject professional tool. The memory leakage issue for my customer app isn't critical (a 200+MB after a week of non-stop running) but it would be professional to solve it. Here is the list of the tools I have found so far. AFAIKR I have used one of them in the past in trial mode (but I cannot remember which one) to effectively solve real critical memory leakage issue. Now is the time to purchase a full version - still to decide which one: it should be memory/performance profiler with user friendly interface for both .NET (Managed) apps and just MS Windows unmanaged apps. Glowcode 9.2 from the below list seems to be the only candidate? Do you know about any other? > >1. GlowCode 9.2 - $499, full version trial for 21 days after registration >http://www.glowcode.com/index.htm >2. .NET Memory Profiler - $349 - free trial for seven days >http://memprofiler.com/download.aspx >3. ANTS Memory Profiler - $619, free trial for 14 days >. http://www.red-gate.com/products/dotnet-development/ants-memory-profiler/ >4. dotTRace ($249 or $599 within ReSharper Ultimate) - free trial (full version?) of *actual usage* for ten days >https://www.jetbrains.com/profiler/ >5. .Net Memory Validator - $199.00 - full version trial for 30 days >http://www.softwareverify.com/memory-leak-detection.php >6. CLR Profiler (v1.1) - free >http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=14727 >7. Free within Visual Studio 2013 Ultimate >Debugging Memory Leaks Using New NET Memory Diagnostic Tools >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lU_YZtvslnI >Thank you. > >-- >???????????? ?????? > >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From mcp2004 at mail.ru Sun Dec 21 14:42:20 2014 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2014 23:42:20 +0300 Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?=2ENET_obfuscators?= In-Reply-To: <1419068229425.95410@cactus.dk> References: <1419065899.477311699@f197.i.mail.ru> <1419068229425.95410@cactus.dk> Message-ID: <1419194540.64470698@f302.i.mail.ru> Hi Gustav -- Yes, de-obfuscators would be quite capable - there is no "bullet proof" defense from professional hackers/reverse-engineers. I'm looking for a tool to stop amateurs, even with a powerful de-obfuscators they will not be able IMO to reverse engineer properly obfuscated .NET assemblies. -- Shamil Sat, 20 Dec 2014 09:37:10 +0000 from Gustav Brock : >Hi Shamil > >Short answer: No. > >Besides, it's my impression that the available deobfuscators are quite cabable, thus you should seek other methods to stay ahead of the bad guys. > >/gustav > >________________________________________ >Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com < dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > p? vegne af Salakhetdinov Shamil < mcp2004 at mail.ru > >Sendt: 20. december 2014 09:58 >Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues >Emne: [dba-Tech] .NET obfuscators > >?Hi All -- > >Do you use any of the tools from the following list ?: > >List of obfuscators for .NET >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_obfuscators_for_.NET > >Thank you. > > >-- >???????????? ?????? > >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From kathryn at bassett.net Sun Dec 21 15:29:54 2014 From: kathryn at bassett.net (Kathryn Bassett) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2014 13:29:54 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Disposing old equipment In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Los Angeles county has free recycling events every week in various parts of the county for HHW (household hazardous waste) and e-waste. http://ladpw.org/general/enotifyCalendar/Calendar.aspx If I added up all of it from throughout the years, I probably could have filled a 20' uhaul. Computers, printers, TVs, paint, flourescent lights, and a bunch of other stuff (http://dpw.lacounty.gov/epd/hhw for what's accepted). Kathryn > -----Original Message----- > What do you guys do with your obsolete hardware? > > Susan H. From djkr at msn.com Sun Dec 21 15:33:58 2014 From: djkr at msn.com (DJK (John) Robinson) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2014 21:33:58 +0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Use for VHS tapes? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi folks Inspired by the "old equipment" Q&A, I have another question ... Does anyone have any ideas for uses for old VHS tapes? Absolutely any ideas, from anywhere, are welcome - though realistically their destination would have to be somewhere in the UK. (There's nothing of any value on them, just TV programmes recorded off air - nothing personal, etc.) John From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Sun Dec 21 15:48:45 2014 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2014 13:48:45 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Disposing old equipment In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: There are a lot of electronics recycling events around here now. I save my stuff for those. Goodwill also takes old electronics now - I think they recycle them. R -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2014 8:34 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Disposing old equipment What do you guys do with your obsolete hardware? Susan H. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jon at tydda.plus.com Sun Dec 21 17:45:00 2014 From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2014 23:45:00 +0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Use for VHS tapes? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <603B3852-A2A2-4906-81D2-E70D31C29BEA@tydda.plus.com> When I moved house last year, on one of my many trips to the local recycling/waste centre, I noticed a big box provided by the Salvation Army, that accepted books, CDs, DVDs, cassette tapes and videotapes. So I got rid of a whole bunch of them there. Was glad I did because I didn't want to have to throw them away while they could still be useful. Jon Sent from my iPhone 7 (Beta) > On 21 Dec 2014, at 21:33, DJK (John) Robinson wrote: > > Hi folks > > Inspired by the "old equipment" Q&A, I have another question ... > > Does anyone have any ideas for uses for old VHS tapes? > > Absolutely any ideas, from anywhere, are welcome - though realistically their destination would have to be somewhere in > the UK. > > (There's nothing of any value on them, just TV programmes recorded off air - nothing personal, etc.) > > John > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From gustav at cactus.dk Mon Dec 22 03:27:47 2014 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2014 09:27:47 +0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] .NET/Windows applications memory (leakage) and performance profilers Message-ID: Hi Shamil No, I have only desktop applications running, so I can't add much. However, I would love to learn about your experience. /gustav -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Salakhetdinov Shamil Sendt: 21. december 2014 21:39 Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] .NET/Windows applications memory (leakage) and performance profilers Hi Gustav -- I'm considering to choose and to purchase a commercial edition of a subject tool: it could be a good business opportunity to become memory leakages fixing/performance profiling/fixing expert/consultant armored with professional tools - a kind of "memory plumber" you know ;) Do you need one?? -- Shamil Sat, 20 Dec 2014 09:32:23 +0000 from Gustav Brock : >Hi Shamil > >The only one I've heard of is ANTS but it doesn't say much as I've never had need for such tool. > >However, I believe the Visual Studio 2013 Ultimate will run for 90 days in non-registered mode, so that should give you amble time for debugging. If not, install it in a VM; after 90 days, delete and recreate the VM with a new install of VS. It's perfectly valid - in fact, if you watch some of the MVA courses, the instructors often run non-activated/registered Windows and software even though you would expect them to have access to all the licenses they could need. > >/gustav > >________________________________________ >Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com < >dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > p? vegne af Salakhetdinov >Shamil < mcp2004 at mail.ru > >Sendt: 20. december 2014 09:54 >Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues >Emne: [dba-Tech] .NET/Windows applications memory (leakage) and >performance profilers > >?Hi All -- > >I'm looking for a subject professional tool. The memory leakage issue for my customer app isn't critical (a 200+MB after a week of non-stop running) but it would be professional to solve it. Here is the list of the tools I have found so far. AFAIKR I have used one of them in the past in trial mode (but I cannot remember which one) to effectively solve real critical memory leakage issue. Now is the time to purchase a full version - still to decide which one: it should be memory/performance profiler with user friendly interface for both .NET (Managed) apps and just MS Windows unmanaged apps. Glowcode 9.2 from the below list seems to be the only candidate? Do you know about any other? > >1. GlowCode 9.2 - $499, full version trial for 21 days after >registration http://www.glowcode.com/index.htm 2. .NET Memory Profiler >- $349 - free trial for seven days http://memprofiler.com/download.aspx >3. ANTS Memory Profiler - $619, free trial for 14 days . >http://www.red-gate.com/products/dotnet-development/ants-memory-profile >r/ 4. dotTRace ($249 or $599 within ReSharper Ultimate) - free trial >(full version?) of *actual usage* for ten days >https://www.jetbrains.com/profiler/ >5. .Net Memory Validator - $199.00 - full version trial for 30 days >http://www.softwareverify.com/memory-leak-detection.php >6. CLR Profiler (v1.1) - free >http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=14727 >7. Free within Visual Studio 2013 Ultimate Debugging Memory Leaks Using >New NET Memory Diagnostic Tools >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lU_YZtvslnI >Thank you. > >-- >???????????? ?????? From gustav at cactus.dk Mon Dec 22 03:31:39 2014 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2014 09:31:39 +0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] .NET obfuscators Message-ID: Hi Shamil Yes, it takes a lot more to interpret the output and turn it into readable and understandable code. /gustav -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Salakhetdinov Shamil Sendt: 21. december 2014 21:42 Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] .NET obfuscators Hi Gustav -- Yes, de-obfuscators would be quite capable - there is no "bullet proof" defense from professional hackers/reverse-engineers. I'm looking for a tool to stop amateurs, even with a powerful de-obfuscators they will not be able IMO to reverse engineer properly obfuscated .NET assemblies. -- Shamil Sat, 20 Dec 2014 09:37:10 +0000 from Gustav Brock : >Hi Shamil > >Short answer: No. > >Besides, it's my impression that the available deobfuscators are quite cabable, thus you should seek other methods to stay ahead of the bad guys. > >/gustav > >________________________________________ >Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com < dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > p? vegne af Salakhetdinov Shamil < mcp2004 at mail.ru > >Sendt: 20. december 2014 09:58 >Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues >Emne: [dba-Tech] .NET obfuscators > >?Hi All -- > >Do you use any of the tools from the following list ?: > >List of obfuscators for .NET >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_obfuscators_for_.NET > >Thank you. > > >-- >???????????? ?????? From jbartow at winhaven.net Mon Dec 22 12:44:26 2014 From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2014 12:44:26 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Administrivia - DBA List Holiday Party (Fund Drive) Invitation In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Mark, Thanks Mark. There's a number of different things we have going but the only thing we pay for is the hosting and archives storage. That's through Rosehosting. IIRC its virtual Linux server running mailman. Bryan could give you the technical details. John B -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 5:51 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Cc: administrivia at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Administrivia - DBA List Holiday Party (Fund Drive) Invitation Hello John, Paid a month, hope that is ok, thank you for everything you have done. When you say "keep everything going", what is that exactly, is it a windows server? or a hosted service? I ask because I use Amazon to host some sites and I am curious what sort of processing power / bandwidth / storage we need / use. On 15 December 2014 at 18:06, John R Bartow wrote: > > Hi All! > > You're all invited to a Holiday Party! > > > > We're having a funding drive to keep these lists running. For the last > year we've been running due to one person paying for the list costs. > This has to end. If we get enough, they'll keep going. If we don't > they'll just shut down some day and eventually you'll wonder why > you're "not getting any email from the list lately". > > > > So pretend you're out at a holiday party with DBA and buy it a couple > of craft brews or snifters, as that's all it'll take if everyone joins > the party. Rest assured, DBA can handle as many drinks as it gets. And > in any case, it'll take a taxi home. > > > > You can donate at: > > http://www.databaseadvisors.com/donations/donor.asp > > > > Sincerely, > > Your DBA Holiday Party Committee > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From carbonnb at gmail.com Mon Dec 22 13:29:25 2014 From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2014 14:29:25 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Administrivia - DBA List Holiday Party (Fund Drive) Invitation In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Correct John. Its a Linux VPS with full root access. Around 40 GB of storage and it runs Mailman to run our mailing lists. B On Mon, Dec 22, 2014 at 1:44 PM, John R Bartow wrote: > Hi Mark, > Thanks Mark. > > There's a number of different things we have going but the only thing we pay > for is the hosting and archives storage. That's through Rosehosting. IIRC > its virtual Linux server running mailman. Bryan could give you the > technical details. > John B > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen > Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 5:51 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Cc: administrivia at databaseadvisors.com > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Administrivia - DBA List Holiday Party (Fund Drive) > Invitation > > Hello John, > > Paid a month, hope that is ok, thank you for everything you have done. > > When you say "keep everything going", what is that exactly, is it a windows > server? or a hosted service? > > I ask because I use Amazon to host some sites and I am curious what sort of > processing power / bandwidth / storage we need / use. > > > > On 15 December 2014 at 18:06, John R Bartow wrote: >> >> Hi All! >> >> You're all invited to a Holiday Party! >> >> >> >> We're having a funding drive to keep these lists running. For the last >> year we've been running due to one person paying for the list costs. >> This has to end. If we get enough, they'll keep going. If we don't >> they'll just shut down some day and eventually you'll wonder why >> you're "not getting any email from the list lately". >> >> >> >> So pretend you're out at a holiday party with DBA and buy it a couple >> of craft brews or snifters, as that's all it'll take if everyone joins >> the party. Rest assured, DBA can handle as many drinks as it gets. And >> in any case, it'll take a taxi home. >> >> >> >> You can donate at: >> >> http://www.databaseadvisors.com/donations/donor.asp >> >> >> >> Sincerely, >> >> Your DBA Holiday Party Committee >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "What a great ride!" From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Dec 22 13:42:19 2014 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2014 12:42:19 -0700 (MST) Subject: [dba-Tech] .NET obfuscators In-Reply-To: <1419194540.64470698@f302.i.mail.ru> Message-ID: <1022532492.78709919.1419277339303.JavaMail.root@cds018> Hi Guys: There is nothing that much more that I could add to discussion or conclusions but to note that obfuscating code will only block beginners and only for so long. Obfuscation is only useful in making it expensive, time-wise to someone wanting to view the code. Viewing the code can be hidden by running the process on the server (assuming a web app) but anything running on the desktop might as well be considered open source. There are a number of packages that say they can obfuscate code and a few even suggest the code can be encrypted...how good they are is a question. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_obfuscators_for_.NET In the olden days of terminals, code could be completely hidden, but today's tool make that impossible...compiling was considered a near perfect form of protection as to hack the code would take weeks but now there are tools out there that can de-compile to Pcode and rest is simple for a programmer. So in summary, IMHO, the only form of protection is to make a product cheaper to buy than to have someone de-obfuscate. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2014 12:42:20 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] .NET obfuscators Hi Gustav -- Yes, de-obfuscators would be quite capable - there is no "bullet proof" defense from professional hackers/reverse-engineers. I'm looking for a tool to stop amateurs, even with a powerful de-obfuscators they will not be able IMO to reverse engineer properly obfuscated .NET assemblies. -- Shamil Sat, 20 Dec 2014 09:37:10 +0000 from Gustav Brock : >Hi Shamil > >Short answer: No. > >Besides, it's my impression that the available deobfuscators are quite cabable, thus you should seek other methods to stay ahead of the bad guys. > >/gustav > >________________________________________ >Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com < dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > p? vegne af Salakhetdinov Shamil < mcp2004 at mail.ru > >Sendt: 20. december 2014 09:58 >Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues >Emne: [dba-Tech] .NET obfuscators > >?Hi All -- > >Do you use any of the tools from the following list ?: > >List of obfuscators for .NET >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_obfuscators_for_.NET > >Thank you. > > >-- >???????????? ?????? > >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From marklbreen at gmail.com Tue Dec 23 16:52:04 2014 From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2014 22:52:04 +0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Administrivia - DBA List Holiday Party (Fund Drive) Invitation In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Bryan just curious, is the pricing on http://aws.amazon.com/ec2/pricing/ any better? The new variable ECU machines are interesting. Any idea what kind of ram / cpu we use? A T2 micro instance for three years up front would cost us approx $150 plus bandwidth usage and a little storage. However our current ?29 is not expensive. The tough question for us windows guys is to identify how much power we need. Any thoughts? Perhaps we just leave well enough alone Mark On 22 December 2014 at 19:29, Bryan Carbonnell wrote: > Correct John. > > Its a Linux VPS with full root access. Around 40 GB of storage and it > runs Mailman to run our mailing lists. > > B > > On Mon, Dec 22, 2014 at 1:44 PM, John R Bartow > wrote: > > Hi Mark, > > Thanks Mark. > > > > There's a number of different things we have going but the only thing we > pay > > for is the hosting and archives storage. That's through Rosehosting. IIRC > > its virtual Linux server running mailman. Bryan could give you the > > technical details. > > John B > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen > > Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 5:51 PM > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > Cc: administrivia at databaseadvisors.com > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Administrivia - DBA List Holiday Party (Fund > Drive) > > Invitation > > > > Hello John, > > > > Paid a month, hope that is ok, thank you for everything you have done. > > > > When you say "keep everything going", what is that exactly, is it a > windows > > server? or a hosted service? > > > > I ask because I use Amazon to host some sites and I am curious what sort > of > > processing power / bandwidth / storage we need / use. > > > > > > > > On 15 December 2014 at 18:06, John R Bartow > wrote: > >> > >> Hi All! > >> > >> You're all invited to a Holiday Party! > >> > >> > >> > >> We're having a funding drive to keep these lists running. For the last > >> year we've been running due to one person paying for the list costs. > >> This has to end. If we get enough, they'll keep going. If we don't > >> they'll just shut down some day and eventually you'll wonder why > >> you're "not getting any email from the list lately". > >> > >> > >> > >> So pretend you're out at a holiday party with DBA and buy it a couple > >> of craft brews or snifters, as that's all it'll take if everyone joins > >> the party. Rest assured, DBA can handle as many drinks as it gets. And > >> in any case, it'll take a taxi home. > >> > >> > >> > >> You can donate at: > >> > >> http://www.databaseadvisors.com/donations/donor.asp > >> > >> > >> > >> Sincerely, > >> > >> Your DBA Holiday Party Committee > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> dba-Tech mailing list > >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > -- > Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com > Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well > preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, > shouting "What a great ride!" > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From mcp2004 at mail.ru Wed Dec 24 12:22:34 2014 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2014 21:22:34 +0300 Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?=2ENET/Windows_applications_memory_=28leakag?= =?utf-8?q?e=29_and_performance_profilers?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1419445354.176907249@f406.i.mail.ru> Hi Gustav -- Since yesterday I have been trying to use in trial mode one or another subject tool from my list - here are my results: 1. GlowCode 9.2 - $499 They didn't send me trial version's setup key. I have sent a message to their support e-mail address. No any replies yet. 2. .NET Memory Profiler -?$349 Good one but user interface is a bit heavy to use, especially comparing with ANTS Memory Profiler. 3. ANTS Memory Profiler - $619 Ingeniously simple tool (as they say) - very user friendly, powerful enough, intuitive - no need to read any docs ?- the best one for me currently.? 4. dotTRace ($249 or $599 within ReSharper Ultimate) Failed to setup (I have had previous version in trial mode, maybe it was an issue with my setup failure). 5. .Net Memory Validator - $199.00 It didn't work - my test application got stuck when this tool tried to profile its memory. 6. CLR Profiler (v1.1) - free No 'free cheese' in this world - skipped testing 7. Free within Visual Studio 2013 Ultimate Debugging Memory Leaks Using? No 'free cheese' in this world - skipped testing. ---------------------- Using ANTS Memory Profiler I have solved two subtle memory leakage issues: - first one was an urgent customer request to fix - it was completed within several hours, without ANTS Memory Profiler it could have taken 'ages' to find the cause of this memory leakage issue. - second one was another application memory leakage fixing - it wasn't that urgent but anyway it was done within several hours. ----------------------- Thank you. -- Shamil Mon, 22 Dec 2014 09:27:47 +0000 from Gustav Brock : >Hi Shamil > >No, I have only desktop applications running, so I can't add much. >However, I would love to learn about your experience. > >/gustav > >-----Oprindelig meddelelse----- >Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Salakhetdinov Shamil >Sendt: 21. december 2014 21:39 >Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues >Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] .NET/Windows applications memory (leakage) and performance profilers > >?Hi Gustav -- > >I'm considering to choose and to purchase a commercial edition of a subject tool: it could be a good business opportunity to become memory leakages fixing/performance profiling/fixing expert/consultant armored with professional tools - a kind of "memory plumber" you know ;) > >Do you need one?? > >-- Shamil > >Sat, 20 Dec 2014 09:32:23 +0000 from Gustav Brock < gustav at cactus.dk >: >>Hi Shamil >> >>The only one I've heard of is ANTS but it doesn't say much as I've never had need for such tool. >> >>However, I believe the Visual Studio 2013 Ultimate will run for 90 days in non-registered mode, so that should give you amble time for debugging. If not, install it in a VM; after 90 days, delete and recreate the VM with a new install of VS. It's perfectly valid - in fact, if you watch some of the MVA courses, the instructors often run non-activated/registered Windows and software even though you would expect them to have access to all the licenses they could need. >> >>/gustav >> >>________________________________________ >>Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com < >> dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > p? vegne af Salakhetdinov >>Shamil < mcp2004 at mail.ru > >>Sendt: 20. december 2014 09:54 >>Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues >>Emne: [dba-Tech] .NET/Windows applications memory (leakage) and >>performance profilers >> >>?Hi All -- >> >>I'm looking for a subject professional tool. The memory leakage issue for my customer app isn't critical (a 200+MB after a week of non-stop running) but it would be professional to solve it. Here is the list of the tools I have found so far. AFAIKR I have used one of them in the past in trial mode (but I cannot remember which one) to effectively solve real critical memory leakage issue. Now is the time to purchase a full version - still to decide which one: it should be memory/performance profiler with user friendly interface for both .NET (Managed) apps and just MS Windows unmanaged apps. Glowcode 9.2 from the below list seems to be the only candidate? Do you know about any other? >> >>1. GlowCode 9.2 - $499, full version trial for 21 days after >>registration http://www.glowcode.com/index.htm 2. .NET Memory Profiler >>- $349 - free trial for seven days http://memprofiler.com/download.aspx >>3. ANTS Memory Profiler - $619, free trial for 14 days . >> http://www.red-gate.com/products/dotnet-development/ants-memory-profile >>r/ 4. dotTRace ($249 or $599 within ReSharper Ultimate) - free trial >>(full version?) of *actual usage* for ten days >> https://www.jetbrains.com/profiler/ >>5. .Net Memory Validator - $199.00 - full version trial for 30 days >> http://www.softwareverify.com/memory-leak-detection.php >>6. CLR Profiler (v1.1) - free >> http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=14727 >>7. Free within Visual Studio 2013 Ultimate Debugging Memory Leaks Using >>New NET Memory Diagnostic Tools >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lU_YZtvslnI >>Thank you. >> >>-- >>???????????? ?????? > >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From mcp2004 at mail.ru Wed Dec 24 12:35:48 2014 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2014 21:35:48 +0300 Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?=2ENET_obfuscators?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1419446148.793412947@f393.i.mail.ru> Hi Gustav -- I believe/expect the 'Smart Assembly' obfuscation tool from Red-Gate company http://www.red-gate.com/products/dotnet-development/smartassembly/ should be one of the best .NET code obfuscation tools on the market. I haven't tried it yet. I will probably try it this night. It has 14 days free trial. You can watch their short demonstration video (3+ min) at the above URL - they are able to obfuscate not only classes/methods/properties/.... names but also actual control flow, string values - obfuscated that way .NET assemblies can't be reverse-engineered by existing tools as .Net Reflector etc. Thank you. -- Shamil Mon, 22 Dec 2014 09:31:39 +0000 from Gustav Brock : >Hi Shamil > >Yes, it takes a lot more to interpret the output and turn it into readable and understandable code. > >/gustav > >-----Oprindelig meddelelse----- >Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Salakhetdinov Shamil >Sendt: 21. december 2014 21:42 >Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues >Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] .NET obfuscators > >?Hi Gustav -- > >Yes, de-obfuscators would be quite capable - there is no "bullet proof" defense from professional hackers/reverse-engineers. I'm looking for a tool to stop amateurs, even with a powerful de-obfuscators they will not be able IMO to reverse engineer properly obfuscated .NET assemblies. > >-- Shamil > > >Sat, 20 Dec 2014 09:37:10 +0000 from Gustav Brock < gustav at cactus.dk >: >>Hi Shamil >> >>Short answer: No. >> >>Besides, it's my impression that the available deobfuscators are quite cabable, thus you should seek other methods to stay ahead of the bad guys. >> >>/gustav >> >>________________________________________ >>Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com < dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > p? vegne af Salakhetdinov Shamil < mcp2004 at mail.ru > >>Sendt: 20. december 2014 09:58 >>Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues >>Emne: [dba-Tech] .NET obfuscators >> >>?Hi All -- >> >>Do you use any of the tools from the following list ?: >> >>List of obfuscators for .NET >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_obfuscators_for_.NET >> >>Thank you. >> >> >>-- >>???????????? ?????? > >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From gustav at cactus.dk Thu Dec 25 08:02:30 2014 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2014 14:02:30 +0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] .NET/Windows applications memory (leakage) and performance profilers In-Reply-To: <1419445354.176907249@f406.i.mail.ru> References: , <1419445354.176907249@f406.i.mail.ru> Message-ID: <1419516149617.63529@cactus.dk> Hi Shamil Thanks for the info. It seems like the extra bucks on ANTS would be well spent. How far does ANTS go? Does it pinpoint the problematic code? Will it even suggest how to fix it? I'm a bit disappointed that VS2013 Ultimate was of no use. /gustav ________________________________________ Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com p? vegne af Salakhetdinov Shamil Sendt: 24. december 2014 19:22 Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] .NET/Windows applications memory (leakage) and performance profilers Hi Gustav -- Since yesterday I have been trying to use in trial mode one or another subject tool from my list - here are my results: 1. GlowCode 9.2 - $499 They didn't send me trial version's setup key. I have sent a message to their support e-mail address. No any replies yet. 2. .NET Memory Profiler - $349 Good one but user interface is a bit heavy to use, especially comparing with ANTS Memory Profiler. 3. ANTS Memory Profiler - $619 Ingeniously simple tool (as they say) - very user friendly, powerful enough, intuitive - no need to read any docs - the best one for me currently. 4. dotTRace ($249 or $599 within ReSharper Ultimate) Failed to setup (I have had previous version in trial mode, maybe it was an issue with my setup failure). 5. .Net Memory Validator - $199.00 It didn't work - my test application got stuck when this tool tried to profile its memory. 6. CLR Profiler (v1.1) - free No 'free cheese' in this world - skipped testing 7. Free within Visual Studio 2013 Ultimate Debugging Memory Leaks Using No 'free cheese' in this world - skipped testing. ---------------------- Using ANTS Memory Profiler I have solved two subtle memory leakage issues: - first one was an urgent customer request to fix - it was completed within several hours, without ANTS Memory Profiler it could have taken 'ages' to find the cause of this memory leakage issue. - second one was another application memory leakage fixing - it wasn't that urgent but anyway it was done within several hours. ----------------------- Thank you. -- Shamil Mon, 22 Dec 2014 09:27:47 +0000 from Gustav Brock : >Hi Shamil > >No, I have only desktop applications running, so I can't add much. >However, I would love to learn about your experience. > >/gustav > >-----Oprindelig meddelelse----- >Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Salakhetdinov Shamil >Sendt: 21. december 2014 21:39 >Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues >Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] .NET/Windows applications memory (leakage) and performance profilers > >?Hi Gustav -- > >I'm considering to choose and to purchase a commercial edition of a subject tool: it could be a good business opportunity to become memory leakages fixing/performance profiling/fixing expert/consultant armored with professional tools - a kind of "memory plumber" you know ;) > >Do you need one? > >-- Shamil > >Sat, 20 Dec 2014 09:32:23 +0000 from Gustav Brock < gustav at cactus.dk >: >>Hi Shamil >> >>The only one I've heard of is ANTS but it doesn't say much as I've never had need for such tool. >> >>However, I believe the Visual Studio 2013 Ultimate will run for 90 days in non-registered mode, so that should give you amble time for debugging. If not, install it in a VM; after 90 days, delete and recreate the VM with a new install of VS. It's perfectly valid - in fact, if you watch some of the MVA courses, the instructors often run non-activated/registered Windows and software even though you would expect them to have access to all the licenses they could need. >> >>/gustav From mcp2004 at mail.ru Thu Dec 25 12:11:40 2014 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2014 21:11:40 +0300 Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?=2ENET/Windows_applications_memory_=28leakag?= =?utf-8?q?e=29_and_performance_profilers?= In-Reply-To: <1419516149617.63529@cactus.dk> References: <1419445354.176907249@f406.i.mail.ru> <1419516149617.63529@cactus.dk> Message-ID: <1419531100.671444450@f36.i.mail.ru> Hi Gustav -- No, ANTS Memory Profiler isn't a "magic" - it's a tool. :) It collects a few stats on running application/windows service/web service/.... These stats are presented in user friendly form when 'Take Memory Snapshot' functionality is activated. You can take as many snapshots as you wish. The main stats are Namespace, Class Name, Live size (bytes), Size Diff (bytes +/-), LIve Instances, Instances diff (+/-). 'Diff' stats are calculated for currently taken snapshot against base snapshot. You can filter the stats using different filters, you can sort stats' records etc. It's all rather intuitive - I have immediately found the custom class(es), which caused memory leakage issue for my case after running the app for several minutes and taking a few snapshots. But to find where the object instances actually leaked was not immediately clear as they were leaking in the .NET base library class, which I used improperly - I have been creating for testing purposed detached temp new rows for System.DataTable without adding them to the table instance Rows collection and I wasn't aware that these rows, which aren't present in the System.DataTable Rows collection are actually created internally and are held in an internal array - forever - imagine that! And my table was created on a main form/custom control module level, so it was never disposed - meet memory leakage... Collected stats on live object instances can be also categorized to see what instances is holding the others from garbage collection. These live references are presented as object diagrams you can navigate easily. AFAIS ?ANTS Memory Profiler has filter with 'Show only classes with source' checkbox but I don't know ?how these sources should be used. ANTS Memory profiler doesn't have code reverse engineering functionality so I suppose it cannot pinpoint problematic code if you profile an app without source. And ANTS Performance Profiler does have code reverse engineering finctionality - so it can pinpoint performance bottle-necks even without source code - but this is another story. You'd better try ANTS Memory Profile?- trying it isn't time consuming - and AFAIS setup has small sample applications to play with and very good docs. Thank you. -- Shamil Thu, 25 Dec 2014 14:02:30 +0000 from Gustav Brock : >Hi Shamil > >Thanks for the info. It seems like the extra bucks on ANTS would be well spent. > >How far does ANTS go? Does it pinpoint the problematic code? Will it even suggest how to fix it? > >I'm a bit disappointed that VS2013 Ultimate was of no use. > >/gustav > >________________________________________ >Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com < dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > p? vegne af Salakhetdinov Shamil < mcp2004 at mail.ru > >Sendt: 24. december 2014 19:22 >Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues >Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] .NET/Windows applications memory (leakage) and performance profilers > >?Hi Gustav -- > >Since yesterday I have been trying to use in trial mode one or another subject tool from my list - here are my results: > >1. GlowCode 9.2 - $499 > >They didn't send me trial version's setup key. I have sent a message to their support e-mail address. No any replies yet. > >2. .NET Memory Profiler - $349 > >Good one but user interface is a bit heavy to use, especially comparing with ANTS Memory Profiler. > >3. ANTS Memory Profiler - $619 > >Ingeniously simple tool (as they say) - very user friendly, powerful enough, intuitive - no need to read any docs - the best one for me currently. > >4. dotTRace ($249 or $599 within ReSharper Ultimate) > >Failed to setup (I have had previous version in trial mode, maybe it was an issue with my setup failure). > >5. .Net Memory Validator - $199.00 > >It didn't work - my test application got stuck when this tool tried to profile its memory. > >6. CLR Profiler (v1.1) - free > >No 'free cheese' in this world - skipped testing > >7. Free within Visual Studio 2013 Ultimate Debugging Memory Leaks Using > >No 'free cheese' in this world - skipped testing. > >---------------------- > >Using ANTS Memory Profiler I have solved two subtle memory leakage issues: > >- first one was an urgent customer request to fix - it was completed within several hours, without ANTS Memory Profiler it could have taken 'ages' to find the cause of this memory leakage issue. > >- second one was another application memory leakage fixing - it wasn't that urgent but anyway it was done within several hours. > >----------------------- > >Thank you. > >-- Shamil > > > >Mon, 22 Dec 2014 09:27:47 +0000 from Gustav Brock < gustav at cactus.dk >: >>Hi Shamil >> >>No, I have only desktop applications running, so I can't add much. >>However, I would love to learn about your experience. >> >>/gustav >> >>-----Oprindelig meddelelse----- >>Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Salakhetdinov Shamil >>Sendt: 21. december 2014 21:39 >>Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues >>Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] .NET/Windows applications memory (leakage) and performance profilers >> >>?Hi Gustav -- >> >>I'm considering to choose and to purchase a commercial edition of a subject tool: it could be a good business opportunity to become memory leakages fixing/performance profiling/fixing expert/consultant armored with professional tools - a kind of "memory plumber" you know ;) >> >>Do you need one? >> >>-- Shamil >> >>Sat, 20 Dec 2014 09:32:23 +0000 from Gustav Brock < gustav at cactus.dk >: >>>Hi Shamil >>> >>>The only one I've heard of is ANTS but it doesn't say much as I've never had need for such tool. >>> >>>However, I believe the Visual Studio 2013 Ultimate will run for 90 days in non-registered mode, so that should give you amble time for debugging. If not, install it in a VM; after 90 days, delete and recreate the VM with a new install of VS. It's perfectly valid - in fact, if you watch some of the MVA courses, the instructors often run non-activated/registered Windows and software even though you would expect them to have access to all the licenses they could need. >>> >>>/gustav >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From mcp2004 at mail.ru Thu Dec 25 12:16:04 2014 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2014 21:16:04 +0300 Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?=2ENET_obfuscators?= In-Reply-To: <1419446148.793412947@f393.i.mail.ru> References: <1419446148.793412947@f393.i.mail.ru> Message-ID: <1419531364.211432308@f36.i.mail.ru> Hi Gustav -- I have tried?the 'Smart Assembly' (obfuscation) tool ( http://www.red-gate.com/products/dotnet-development/smartassembly/ ) - it's just great. And it's actually not only obfuscation tool but it has other useful features as e.g. making a single assembly from the main exe and its dependent dlls. I have tried it and it worked flawlessly for me for my customer application having main executable and a dozen of dependent DLLs. -- Shamil Wed, 24 Dec 2014 21:35:48 +0300 from Salakhetdinov Shamil : >Hi Gustav -- > >I believe/expect the 'Smart Assembly' obfuscation tool from Red-Gate company > >http://www.red-gate.com/products/dotnet-development/smartassembly/ > >should be one of the best .NET code obfuscation tools on the market. > >I haven't tried it yet. I will probably try it this night. It has 14 days free trial. > >You can watch their short demonstration video (3+ min) at the above URL - they are able to obfuscate not only classes/methods/properties/.... names but also actual control flow, string values - obfuscated that way .NET assemblies can't be reverse-engineered by existing tools as .Net Reflector etc. > >Thank you. > >-- Shamil > > >Mon, 22 Dec 2014 09:31:39 +0000 from Gustav Brock < gustav at cactus.dk >: >>Hi Shamil >> >>Yes, it takes a lot more to interpret the output and turn it into readable and understandable code. >> >>/gustav >> >>-----Oprindelig meddelelse----- >>Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Salakhetdinov Shamil >>Sendt: 21. december 2014 21:42 >>Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues >>Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] .NET obfuscators >> >>?Hi Gustav -- >> >>Yes, de-obfuscators would be quite capable - there is no "bullet proof" defense from professional hackers/reverse-engineers. I'm looking for a tool to stop amateurs, even with a powerful de-obfuscators they will not be able IMO to reverse engineer properly obfuscated .NET assemblies. >> >>-- Shamil >> >> >>Sat, 20 Dec 2014 09:37:10 +0000 from Gustav Brock < gustav at cactus.dk >: >>>Hi Shamil >>> >>>Short answer: No. >>> >>>Besides, it's my impression that the available deobfuscators are quite cabable, thus you should seek other methods to stay ahead of the bad guys. >>> >>>/gustav >>> >>>________________________________________ >>>Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com < dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > p? vegne af Salakhetdinov Shamil < mcp2004 at mail.ru > >>>Sendt: 20. december 2014 09:58 >>>Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues >>>Emne: [dba-Tech] .NET obfuscators >>> >>>?Hi All -- >>> >>>Do you use any of the tools from the following list ?: >>> >>>List of obfuscators for .NET >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_obfuscators_for_.NET >>> >>>Thank you. >>> >>> >>>-- >>>???????????? ?????? >> >>_______________________________________________ >>dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From djkr at msn.com Fri Dec 26 06:09:14 2014 From: djkr at msn.com (DJK (John) Robinson) Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2014 12:09:14 +0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Use for VHS tapes? In-Reply-To: <603B3852-A2A2-4906-81D2-E70D31C29BEA@tydda.plus.com> Message-ID: Thanks for that, John. I'll check it out locally after Christmas; I'm keen too that they don't just go to landfill. John -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda Sent: 21 December 2014 23:45 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Use for VHS tapes? When I moved house last year, on one of my many trips to the local recycling/waste centre, I noticed a big box provided by the Salvation Army, that accepted books, CDs, DVDs, cassette tapes and videotapes. So I got rid of a whole bunch of them there. Was glad I did because I didn't want to have to throw them away while they could still be useful. Jon Sent from my iPhone 7 (Beta) > On 21 Dec 2014, at 21:33, DJK (John) Robinson wrote: > > Hi folks > > Inspired by the "old equipment" Q&A, I have another question ... > > Does anyone have any ideas for uses for old VHS tapes? > > Absolutely any ideas, from anywhere, are welcome - though > realistically their destination would have to be somewhere in the UK. > > (There's nothing of any value on them, just TV programmes recorded off > air - nothing personal, etc.) > > John > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From gustav at cactus.dk Sat Dec 27 10:39:06 2014 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2014 16:39:06 +0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] .NET/Windows applications memory (leakage) and performance profilers In-Reply-To: <1419531100.671444450@f36.i.mail.ru> References: <1419445354.176907249@f406.i.mail.ru> <1419516149617.63529@cactus.dk>,<1419531100.671444450@f36.i.mail.ru> Message-ID: <1419698346266.63219@cactus.dk> Hi Shamil Thanks for the useful info. I will certainly check this out when time comes. Right now other projects are busy. /gustav ________________________________________ Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com p? vegne af Salakhetdinov Shamil Sendt: 25. december 2014 19:11 Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] .NET/Windows applications memory (leakage) and performance profilers Hi Gustav -- No, ANTS Memory Profiler isn't a "magic" - it's a tool. :) It collects a few stats on running application/windows service/web service/.... These stats are presented in user friendly form when 'Take Memory Snapshot' functionality is activated. You can take as many snapshots as you wish. The main stats are Namespace, Class Name, Live size (bytes), Size Diff (bytes +/-), LIve Instances, Instances diff (+/-). 'Diff' stats are calculated for currently taken snapshot against base snapshot. You can filter the stats using different filters, you can sort stats' records etc. It's all rather intuitive - I have immediately found the custom class(es), which caused memory leakage issue for my case after running the app for several minutes and taking a few snapshots. But to find where the object instances actually leaked was not immediately clear as they were leaking in the .NET base library class, which I used improperly - I have been creating for testing purposed detached temp new rows for System.DataTable without adding them to the table instance Rows collection and I wasn't aware that these rows, which aren't present in the System.DataTable Rows collection are actually created internally and are held in an internal array - forever - imagine that! And my table was created on a main form/custom control module level, so it was never disposed - meet memory leakage... Collected stats on live object instances can be also categorized to see what instances is holding the others from garbage collection. These live references are presented as object diagrams you can navigate easily. AFAIS ANTS Memory Profiler has filter with 'Show only classes with source' checkbox but I don't know how these sources should be used. ANTS Memory profiler doesn't have code reverse engineering functionality so I suppose it cannot pinpoint problematic code if you profile an app without source. And ANTS Performance Profiler does have code reverse engineering finctionality - so it can pinpoint performance bottle-necks even without source code - but this is another story. You'd better try ANTS Memory Profile - trying it isn't time consuming - and AFAIS setup has small sample applications to play with and very good docs. Thank you. -- Shamil Thu, 25 Dec 2014 14:02:30 +0000 from Gustav Brock : >Hi Shamil > >Thanks for the info. It seems like the extra bucks on ANTS would be well spent. > >How far does ANTS go? Does it pinpoint the problematic code? Will it even suggest how to fix it? > >I'm a bit disappointed that VS2013 Ultimate was of no use. > >/gustav From gustav at cactus.dk Sat Dec 27 10:46:23 2014 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2014 16:46:23 +0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] .NET obfuscators In-Reply-To: <1419531364.211432308@f36.i.mail.ru> References: <1419446148.793412947@f393.i.mail.ru>, <1419531364.211432308@f36.i.mail.ru> Message-ID: <1419698783103.11254@cactus.dk> Hi Shamil That sounds very clever indeed. When (if ever) I reach the level writing golden code, I may consider spending the $800. /gustav ________________________________________ Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com p? vegne af Salakhetdinov Shamil Sendt: 25. december 2014 19:16 Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] .NET obfuscators Hi Gustav -- I have tried the 'Smart Assembly' (obfuscation) tool ( ) - it's just great. And it's actually not only obfuscation tool but it has other useful features as e.g. making a single assembly from the main exe and its dependent dlls. I have tried it and it worked flawlessly for me for my customer application having main executable and a dozen of dependent DLLs. -- Shamil Wed, 24 Dec 2014 21:35:48 +0300 from Salakhetdinov Shamil : >Hi Gustav -- > >I believe/expect the 'Smart Assembly' obfuscation tool from Red-Gate company > >http://www.red-gate.com/products/dotnet-development/smartassembly/ > >should be one of the best .NET code obfuscation tools on the market. > >I haven't tried it yet. I will probably try it this night. It has 14 days free trial. > >You can watch their short demonstration video (3+ min) at the above URL - they are able to obfuscate not only classes/methods/properties/.... names but also actual control flow, string values - obfuscated that way .NET assemblies can't be reverse-engineered by existing tools as .Net Reflector etc. > >Thank you. > >-- Shamil > > >Mon, 22 Dec 2014 09:31:39 +0000 from Gustav Brock < gustav at cactus.dk >: >>Hi Shamil >> >>Yes, it takes a lot more to interpret the output and turn it into readable and understandable code. >> >>/gustav >> >>-----Oprindelig meddelelse----- >>Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Salakhetdinov Shamil >>Sendt: 21. december 2014 21:42 >>Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues >>Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] .NET obfuscators >> >>?Hi Gustav -- >> >>Yes, de-obfuscators would be quite capable - there is no "bullet proof" defense from professional hackers/reverse-engineers. I'm looking for a tool to stop amateurs, even with a powerful de-obfuscators they will not be able IMO to reverse engineer properly obfuscated .NET assemblies. >> >>-- Shamil From ssharkins at gmail.com Sun Dec 28 09:16:27 2014 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2014 10:16:27 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Github question Message-ID: I don't have an account with Github, but I frequent it a bit because a few of Manning's authors host errata pages there. Manning prefers to have them on site, but not all authors will do that. Anyway, what I'd like to know is if you can get an email notification if a page is updated? It would seem to make sense given the nature of the site. Susan H. From carbonnb at gmail.com Mon Dec 29 13:37:06 2014 From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 14:37:06 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Administrivia - DBA List Holiday Party (Fund Drive) Invitation In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: My feeling is leave well enough alone. At this point, I don't know enough about AWS to make any sort of educated comment. I don't think there is a huge CPU or memory demand, maybe some spikes when OT gets flowing :) but it's not very taxing. The biggest usage issue is the disc space for the archives. B On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 5:52 PM, Mark Breen wrote: > Hi Bryan > > just curious, is the pricing on http://aws.amazon.com/ec2/pricing/ any > better? > > The new variable ECU machines are interesting. Any idea what kind of ram / > cpu we use? > > A T2 micro instance for three years up front would cost us approx $150 plus > bandwidth usage and a little storage. However our current ?29 is not > expensive. > > The tough question for us windows guys is to identify how much power we > need. > > Any thoughts? Perhaps we just leave well enough alone > > Mark > > > On 22 December 2014 at 19:29, Bryan Carbonnell wrote: > >> Correct John. >> >> Its a Linux VPS with full root access. Around 40 GB of storage and it >> runs Mailman to run our mailing lists. >> >> B >> >> On Mon, Dec 22, 2014 at 1:44 PM, John R Bartow >> wrote: >> > Hi Mark, >> > Thanks Mark. >> > >> > There's a number of different things we have going but the only thing we >> pay >> > for is the hosting and archives storage. That's through Rosehosting. IIRC >> > its virtual Linux server running mailman. Bryan could give you the >> > technical details. >> > John B >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen >> > Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 5:51 PM >> > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues >> > Cc: administrivia at databaseadvisors.com >> > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Administrivia - DBA List Holiday Party (Fund >> Drive) >> > Invitation >> > >> > Hello John, >> > >> > Paid a month, hope that is ok, thank you for everything you have done. >> > >> > When you say "keep everything going", what is that exactly, is it a >> windows >> > server? or a hosted service? >> > >> > I ask because I use Amazon to host some sites and I am curious what sort >> of >> > processing power / bandwidth / storage we need / use. >> > >> > >> > >> > On 15 December 2014 at 18:06, John R Bartow >> wrote: >> >> >> >> Hi All! >> >> >> >> You're all invited to a Holiday Party! >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> We're having a funding drive to keep these lists running. For the last >> >> year we've been running due to one person paying for the list costs. >> >> This has to end. If we get enough, they'll keep going. If we don't >> >> they'll just shut down some day and eventually you'll wonder why >> >> you're "not getting any email from the list lately". >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> So pretend you're out at a holiday party with DBA and buy it a couple >> >> of craft brews or snifters, as that's all it'll take if everyone joins >> >> the party. Rest assured, DBA can handle as many drinks as it gets. And >> >> in any case, it'll take a taxi home. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> You can donate at: >> >> >> >> http://www.databaseadvisors.com/donations/donor.asp >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Sincerely, >> >> >> >> Your DBA Holiday Party Committee >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> dba-Tech mailing list >> >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> > dba-Tech mailing list >> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > dba-Tech mailing list >> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> >> >> -- >> Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com >> Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well >> preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, >> shouting "What a great ride!" >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "What a great ride!" From mcp2004 at mail.ru Tue Dec 30 05:16:56 2014 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2014 14:16:56 +0300 Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?=2ENET/Windows_applications_memory_=28leakag?= =?utf-8?q?e=29_and_performance_profilers?= In-Reply-To: <1419698346266.63219@cactus.dk> References: <1419531100.671444450@f36.i.mail.ru> <1419698346266.63219@cactus.dk> Message-ID: <1419938216.851275515@f434.i.mail.ru> Hi Gustav -- I have finally got evaluation key for GlowCode 9.2, "played" with it and I have spent some more time "playing" with .NET Memory Profiler. Still ANTS Memory Profiler remains my memory profiling tool of choice: - GlowCode 9.2 seems to be more useful for non-managed than managed applications; - .NET Memory Profiler collects nearly the same stats as ANTS Memory Profiler does by the latter one presents most of the collected stats in a way more user friendly form. .NET Memory Profiler does provide call stack investigation feature (the one your asked about), while ANTS Memory Profiler has memory/objects retention graph. The former is expected to be more useful to find memory leakage issues but my personal experience I have collected while working with all the subject tools shows that call stack isn't that important - objects retention graph is good enough to find the point in program flow where memory leakage appears, at least for my custom application. Thank you. -- Shamil Sat, 27 Dec 2014 16:39:06 +0000 from Gustav Brock : >Hi Shamil > >Thanks for the useful info. I will certainly check this out when time comes. Right now other projects are busy. > >/gustav > >________________________________________ >Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com < dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > p? vegne af Salakhetdinov Shamil < mcp2004 at mail.ru > >Sendt: 25. december 2014 19:11 >Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues >Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] .NET/Windows applications memory (leakage) and performance profilers > >?Hi Gustav -- > >No, ANTS Memory Profiler isn't a "magic" - it's a tool. :) >It collects a few stats on running application/windows service/web service/.... >These stats are presented in user friendly form when 'Take Memory Snapshot' functionality is activated. >You can take as many snapshots as you wish. >The main stats are Namespace, Class Name, Live size (bytes), Size Diff (bytes +/-), LIve Instances, Instances diff (+/-). >'Diff' stats are calculated for currently taken snapshot against base snapshot. >You can filter the stats using different filters, you can sort stats' records etc. >It's all rather intuitive - I have immediately found the custom class(es), which caused memory leakage issue for my case after running the app for several minutes and taking a few snapshots. But to find where the object instances actually leaked was not immediately clear as they were leaking in the .NET base library class, which I used improperly - I have been creating for testing purposed detached temp new rows for System.DataTable without adding them to the table instance Rows collection and I wasn't aware that these rows, which aren't present in the System.DataTable Rows collection are actually created internally and are held in an internal array - forever - imagine that! And my table was created on a main form/custom control module level, so it was never disposed - meet memory leakage... > >Collected stats on live object instances can be also categorized to see what instances is holding the others from garbage collection. These live references are presented as object diagrams you can navigate easily. > > >AFAIS ANTS Memory Profiler has filter with 'Show only classes with source' checkbox but I don't know how these sources should be used. ANTS Memory profiler doesn't have code reverse engineering functionality so I suppose it cannot pinpoint problematic code if you profile an app without source. And ANTS Performance Profiler does have code reverse engineering finctionality - so it can pinpoint performance bottle-necks even without source code - but this is another story. > >You'd better try ANTS Memory Profile - trying it isn't time consuming - and AFAIS setup has small sample applications to play with and very good docs. > >Thank you. > >-- Shamil > > >Thu, 25 Dec 2014 14:02:30 +0000 from Gustav Brock < gustav at cactus.dk >: >>Hi Shamil >> >>Thanks for the info. It seems like the extra bucks on ANTS would be well spent. >> >>How far does ANTS go? Does it pinpoint the problematic code? Will it even suggest how to fix it? >> >>I'm a bit disappointed that VS2013 Ultimate was of no use. >> >>/gustav >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From mcp2004 at mail.ru Tue Dec 30 05:20:45 2014 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2014 14:20:45 +0300 Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?=2ENET_obfuscators?= In-Reply-To: <1419698783103.11254@cactus.dk> References: <1419531364.211432308@f36.i.mail.ru> <1419698783103.11254@cactus.dk> Message-ID: <1419938445.439917782@f352.i.mail.ru> Hi Gustav -- Yes, I suppose I realize your concerns. I wish you got at the golden code writing level really soon next year! In general: I wish you and All here a Very Happy and Prosperous New Year. Thank you. -- Shamil Sat, 27 Dec 2014 16:46:23 +0000 from Gustav Brock : >Hi Shamil > >That sounds very clever indeed. When (if ever) I reach the level writing golden code, I may consider spending the $800. > >/gustav > >________________________________________ >Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com < dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > p? vegne af Salakhetdinov Shamil < mcp2004 at mail.ru > >Sendt: 25. december 2014 19:16 >Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues >Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] .NET obfuscators > >?Hi Gustav -- > >I have tried the 'Smart Assembly' (obfuscation) tool ( ) - it's just great. And it's actually not only obfuscation tool but it has other useful features as e.g. making a single assembly from the main exe and its dependent dlls. I have tried it and it worked flawlessly for me for my customer application having main executable and a dozen of dependent DLLs. > >-- Shamil > > >Wed, 24 Dec 2014 21:35:48 +0300 from Salakhetdinov Shamil < mcp2004 at mail.ru >: >>Hi Gustav -- >> >>I believe/expect the 'Smart Assembly' obfuscation tool from Red-Gate company >> >> http://www.red-gate.com/products/dotnet-development/smartassembly/ >> >>should be one of the best .NET code obfuscation tools on the market. >> >>I haven't tried it yet. I will probably try it this night. It has 14 days free trial. >> >>You can watch their short demonstration video (3+ min) at the above URL - they are able to obfuscate not only classes/methods/properties/.... names but also actual control flow, string values - obfuscated that way .NET assemblies can't be reverse-engineered by existing tools as .Net Reflector etc. >> >>Thank you. >> >>-- Shamil >> >> >>Mon, 22 Dec 2014 09:31:39 +0000 from Gustav Brock < gustav at cactus.dk >: >>>Hi Shamil >>> >>>Yes, it takes a lot more to interpret the output and turn it into readable and understandable code. >>> >>>/gustav >>> >>>-----Oprindelig meddelelse----- >>>Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Salakhetdinov Shamil >>>Sendt: 21. december 2014 21:42 >>>Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues >>>Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] .NET obfuscators >>> >>>?Hi Gustav -- >>> >>>Yes, de-obfuscators would be quite capable - there is no "bullet proof" defense from professional hackers/reverse-engineers. I'm looking for a tool to stop amateurs, even with a powerful de-obfuscators they will not be able IMO to reverse engineer properly obfuscated .NET assemblies. >>> >>>-- Shamil >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From mcp2004 at mail.ru Tue Dec 30 05:40:18 2014 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2014 14:40:18 +0300 Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?Github_question?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1419939618.533444197@f343.i.mail.ru> Susan -- Yes, I suppose you can get e-mail notification if a page is updated. To have such notification enabled you have to create a free github account and then to activate watching certain github project - just login to github and click a [Watching - Be notified of all conversations] button on a github project main page.? I have watching enabled for a few github projects, one of them is Umbraco-CMS ( https://github.com/umbraco/Umbraco-CMS ) - here is an e-mail notifications I have got recently: <<<< < notifications at github.com > 13:11 (1 day ago) ? to? umbraco/Umbrac. ? Unsubscribe ? ? We have been missing "Title" on tree-items. This doesn't fix the problem with long and deep trees. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can merge this Pull Request by running git pull https://github.com/madsoulswe/Umbraco-CMS dev-v7 Or view, comment on, or merge it at: ?? https://github.com/umbraco/Umbraco-CMS/pull/605 Commit Summary * Added Title attribute on treeitem.directive File Changes * M ? src/Umbraco.Web.UI.Client/src/common/directives/umbtreeitem.directive.js ?(2) Patch Links: * https://github.com/umbraco/Umbraco-CMS/pull/605.patch * https://github.com/umbraco/Umbraco-CMS/pull/605.diff ? Reply to this email directly or? view it on GitHub . >>>> Thank you. -- Shamil Sun, 28 Dec 2014 10:16:27 -0500 from Susan Harkins : >I don't have an account with Github, but I frequent it a bit because a few >of Manning's authors host errata pages there. Manning prefers to have them >on site, but not all authors will do that. Anyway, what I'd like to know is >if you can get an email notification if a page is updated? It would seem to >make sense given the nature of the site. > >Susan H. >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From ssharkins at gmail.com Tue Dec 30 09:05:03 2014 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2014 10:05:03 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Github question In-Reply-To: <1419939618.533444197@f343.i.mail.ru> References: <1419939618.533444197@f343.i.mail.ru> Message-ID: Great -- that's exactly what I needed to know. I don't have an account and I checked around a bit, but never did get an answer to that. I'm sure it's there, I just didn't find it. Thank you! Susan H. On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 6:40 AM, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote: > Susan -- > > Yes, I suppose you can get e-mail notification if a page is updated. To > have such notification enabled you have to create a free github account and > then to activate watching certain github project - just login to github and > click a [Watching - Be notified of all conversations] button on a github > project main page. > > I have watching enabled for a few github projects, one of them is > Umbraco-CMS ( https://github.com/umbraco/Umbraco-CMS ) - here is an > e-mail notifications I have got recently: > > <<<< > > < notifications at github.com > > 13:11 (1 day ago) > > to umbraco/Umbrac. Unsubscribe > > > We have been missing "Title" on tree-items. > This doesn't fix the problem with long and deep trees. > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > You can merge this Pull Request by running > git pull https://github.com/madsoulswe/Umbraco-CMS dev-v7 > Or view, comment on, or merge it at: > https://github.com/umbraco/Umbraco-CMS/pull/605 > Commit Summary > * Added Title attribute on treeitem.directive > File Changes > * M > src/Umbraco.Web.UI.Client/src/common/directives/umbtreeitem.directive.js > (2) > Patch Links: > * https://github.com/umbraco/Umbraco-CMS/pull/605.patch > * https://github.com/umbraco/Umbraco-CMS/pull/605.diff > ? > Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub . > >>>> > > > Thank you. > > -- Shamil > > Sun, 28 Dec 2014 10:16:27 -0500 from Susan Harkins : > >I don't have an account with Github, but I frequent it a bit because a few > >of Manning's authors host errata pages there. Manning prefers to have them > >on site, but not all authors will do that. Anyway, what I'd like to know > is > >if you can get an email notification if a page is updated? It would seem > to > >make sense given the nature of the site. > > > >Susan H. > >_______________________________________________ > >dba-Tech mailing list > >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From gustav at cactus.dk Tue Dec 30 10:41:27 2014 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2014 16:41:27 +0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] .NET obfuscators In-Reply-To: <1419938445.439917782@f352.i.mail.ru> References: <1419531364.211432308@f36.i.mail.ru> <1419698783103.11254@cactus.dk>,<1419938445.439917782@f352.i.mail.ru> Message-ID: <1419957686964.59588@cactus.dk> Hi Shamil Thanks Shamil, also for your feedback and findings. May a more gentle wind (not quite sure how to express it) reach Russia the next year. /gustav ________________________________________ Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com p? vegne af Salakhetdinov Shamil Sendt: 30. december 2014 12:20 Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] .NET obfuscators Hi Gustav -- Yes, I suppose I realize your concerns. I wish you got at the golden code writing level really soon next year! In general: I wish you and All here a Very Happy and Prosperous New Year. Thank you. -- Shamil Sat, 27 Dec 2014 16:46:23 +0000 from Gustav Brock : >Hi Shamil > >That sounds very clever indeed. When (if ever) I reach the level writing golden code, I may consider spending the $800. > >/gustav > >________________________________________ >Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com < dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > p? vegne af Salakhetdinov Shamil < mcp2004 at mail.ru > >Sendt: 25. december 2014 19:16 >Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues >Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] .NET obfuscators > >?Hi Gustav -- > >I have tried the 'Smart Assembly' (obfuscation) tool ( ) - it's just great. And it's actually not only obfuscation tool but it has other useful features as e.g. making a single assembly from the main exe and its dependent dlls. I have tried it and it worked flawlessly for me for my customer application having main executable and a dozen of dependent DLLs. > >-- Shamil > > >Wed, 24 Dec 2014 21:35:48 +0300 from Salakhetdinov Shamil < mcp2004 at mail.ru >: >>Hi Gustav -- >> >>I believe/expect the 'Smart Assembly' obfuscation tool from Red-Gate company >> >> http://www.red-gate.com/products/dotnet-development/smartassembly/ >> >>should be one of the best .NET code obfuscation tools on the market. >> >>I haven't tried it yet. I will probably try it this night. It has 14 days free trial. >> >>You can watch their short demonstration video (3+ min) at the above URL - they are able to obfuscate not only classes/methods/properties/.... names but also actual control flow, string values - obfuscated that way .NET assemblies can't be reverse-engineered by existing tools as .Net Reflector etc. >> >>Thank you. >> >>-- Shamil >> >> >>Mon, 22 Dec 2014 09:31:39 +0000 from Gustav Brock < gustav at cactus.dk >: >>>Hi Shamil >>> >>>Yes, it takes a lot more to interpret the output and turn it into readable and understandable code. >>> >>>/gustav >>> >>>-----Oprindelig meddelelse----- >>>Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Salakhetdinov Shamil >>>Sendt: 21. december 2014 21:42 >>>Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues >>>Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] .NET obfuscators >>> >>>?Hi Gustav -- >>> >>>Yes, de-obfuscators would be quite capable - there is no "bullet proof" defense from professional hackers/reverse-engineers. I'm looking for a tool to stop amateurs, even with a powerful de-obfuscators they will not be able IMO to reverse engineer properly obfuscated .NET assemblies. >>> >>>-- Shamil From gustav at cactus.dk Tue Dec 30 11:53:58 2014 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2014 17:53:58 +0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] How to rip Spotify stream in Windows 8.1 Message-ID: <1419962037614.21637@cactus.dk> ?Hi all Does anyone know how to rip a Spotify audio stream in Windows 8.1? I have tried Replay Music from Applian which seems what "everyone" recommends, but the current version 7 will only use the system audio driver as source, and version 6 likewise and even demands to run in admin mode - an absolute no-go. Of course, could it download and apply the titles it would be great. I had to buy a trial subscription to obtain HQ audio. The free stream is scrambled at 128 Kbps; how people can enjoy this is beyond me. /gustav From jbartow at winhaven.net Tue Dec 30 12:38:54 2014 From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2014 12:38:54 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] How to rip Spotify stream in Windows 8.1 In-Reply-To: <1419962037614.21637@cactus.dk> References: <1419962037614.21637@cactus.dk> Message-ID: <001d01d0245f$dd4bf4a0$97e3dde0$@winhaven.net> Hi Gustav, Are you not enjoying Spotify or not enjoying trying to RIP Spotify? John -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 11:54 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] How to rip Spotify stream in Windows 8.1 ?Hi all Does anyone know how to rip a Spotify audio stream in Windows 8.1? I have tried Replay Music from Applian which seems what "everyone" recommends, but the current version 7 will only use the system audio driver as source, and version 6 likewise and even demands to run in admin mode - an absolute no-go. Of course, could it download and apply the titles it would be great. I had to buy a trial subscription to obtain HQ audio. The free stream is scrambled at 128 Kbps; how people can enjoy this is beyond me. /gustav _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From mcp2004 at mail.ru Tue Dec 30 13:34:00 2014 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2014 22:34:00 +0300 Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?=2ENET_obfuscators?= In-Reply-To: <1419957686964.59588@cactus.dk> References: <1419938445.439917782@f352.i.mail.ru> <1419957686964.59588@cactus.dk> Message-ID: <1419968040.974134709@f256.i.mail.ru> Hi Gustav -- Thank you for your "more gentle wind to reach Russia next year" wishes! Yes, "Wind of Change" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUUGfs3s_4Y) (round two) would be very helpful here, and hopefully distant memories will be buried in the past truly forever this time... They (local media) say here that Scorpions are planning to celebrate their 50 anniversary in St.Petersburg, Russia on 25th of May 2015 ( http://www.baltinfo.ru/2014/12/18/Gruppa-Scorpions-otmetit-50-letie-v-Peterburge-468114 ) but I do not see that date in Scorpions' official tour schedule ( http://www.the-scorpions.com/english/tourdates.asp ).?We will see... Happy New Year! -- Shamil Tue, 30 Dec 2014 16:41:27 +0000 from Gustav Brock : >Hi Shamil > >Thanks Shamil, also for your feedback and findings. > >May a more gentle wind (not quite sure how to express it) reach Russia the next year. > >/gustav > >________________________________________ >Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com < dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > p? vegne af Salakhetdinov Shamil < mcp2004 at mail.ru > >Sendt: 30. december 2014 12:20 >Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues >Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] .NET obfuscators > >?Hi Gustav -- > >Yes, I suppose I realize your concerns. >I wish you got at the golden code writing level really soon next year! > >In general: I wish you and All here a Very Happy and Prosperous New Year. > >Thank you. > >-- Shamil > >Sat, 27 Dec 2014 16:46:23 +0000 from Gustav Brock < gustav at cactus.dk >: >>Hi Shamil >> >>That sounds very clever indeed. When (if ever) I reach the level writing golden code, I may consider spending the $800. >> >>/gustav >> >>________________________________________ >>Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com < dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > p? vegne af Salakhetdinov Shamil < mcp2004 at mail.ru > >>Sendt: 25. december 2014 19:16 >>Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues >>Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] .NET obfuscators >> >>?Hi Gustav -- >> >>I have tried the 'Smart Assembly' (obfuscation) tool ( ) - it's just great. And it's actually not only obfuscation tool but it has other useful features as e.g. making a single assembly from the main exe and its dependent dlls. I have tried it and it worked flawlessly for me for my customer application having main executable and a dozen of dependent DLLs. >> >>-- Shamil >> >> >>Wed, 24 Dec 2014 21:35:48 +0300 from Salakhetdinov Shamil < mcp2004 at mail.ru >: >>>Hi Gustav -- >>> >>>I believe/expect the 'Smart Assembly' obfuscation tool from Red-Gate company >>> >>> http://www.red-gate.com/products/dotnet-development/smartassembly/ >>> >>>should be one of the best .NET code obfuscation tools on the market. >>> >>>I haven't tried it yet. I will probably try it this night. It has 14 days free trial. >>> >>>You can watch their short demonstration video (3+ min) at the above URL - they are able to obfuscate not only classes/methods/properties/.... names but also actual control flow, string values - obfuscated that way .NET assemblies can't be reverse-engineered by existing tools as .Net Reflector etc. >>> >>>Thank you. >>> >>>-- Shamil >>> >>> >>>Mon, 22 Dec 2014 09:31:39 +0000 from Gustav Brock < gustav at cactus.dk >: >>>>Hi Shamil >>>> >>>>Yes, it takes a lot more to interpret the output and turn it into readable and understandable code. >>>> >>>>/gustav >>>> >>>>-----Oprindelig meddelelse----- >>>>Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Salakhetdinov Shamil >>>>Sendt: 21. december 2014 21:42 >>>>Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues >>>>Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] .NET obfuscators >>>> >>>>?Hi Gustav -- >>>> >>>>Yes, de-obfuscators would be quite capable - there is no "bullet proof" defense from professional hackers/reverse-engineers. I'm looking for a tool to stop amateurs, even with a powerful de-obfuscators they will not be able IMO to reverse engineer properly obfuscated .NET assemblies. >>>> >>>>-- Shamil >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jbartow at winhaven.net Wed Dec 31 18:20:04 2014 From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 18:20:04 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Administrivia - Holiday Party! (follow-up) Message-ID: On behalf of the Database Advisors organization and administrative volunteers I would like to thank those who have supported the Database Advisors organization. Due to the recent funding drive, our operations will able to run for approximately 3 more years. DBA received funding from 3 Canadian provinces, Denmark, Germany, Ireland, New Zealand, Papua New Guinea, Russia, and 13 states of the USA. May you all have a happy and successful 2015! From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Wed Dec 31 22:31:48 2014 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 20:31:48 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Administrivia - Holiday Party! (follow-up) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2534850BC6E94854A23FE17D14701849@HAL9007> On behalf of the supporters I would like to thank John Bartow, without whose efforts the list might have died. Happy New Year. Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John R Bartow Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 4:20 PM To: administrivia at databaseadvisors.com Subject: [dba-Tech] Administrivia - Holiday Party! (follow-up) Importance: High On behalf of the Database Advisors organization and administrative volunteers I would like to thank those who have supported the Database Advisors organization. Due to the recent funding drive, our operations will able to run for approximately 3 more years. DBA received funding from 3 Canadian provinces, Denmark, Germany, Ireland, New Zealand, Papua New Guinea, Russia, and 13 states of the USA. May you all have a happy and successful 2015! _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com