[dba-Tech] A new graphic program builder

Jim Lawrence accessd at shaw.ca
Sat Feb 1 23:21:24 CST 2014


Hi Shamil:

Is that not similar to the current version of MS Access, from web Office365?

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" <mcp2004 at mail.ru>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 1, 2014 10:06:05 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] A new graphic program builder

 Arthur --

I haven't "dismissed flow-based programming" - I have just noted that it, in my experience, was always behind the actual needs of real life (business) programming. It's in some approximation like "MS Access with macros" but without VBA. Would such a lightweight development tool be sufficient for your software development business?

-- Shamil

Friday, January 31, 2014 7:16 PM -05:00 from Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com>:
>Shamil,
>
>I think that you dismiss flow-based-programming too quickly. I do not
>dispute your contention that it's always good to know how to do it by hand.
>Bur when was the last time you built a chesterfield? I personally have
>never built one, but have refinished my beloved couch and chesterfield
>twice. This I know how to do. The set was made by Koehler in 1856 (I've
>researched this) and there's no way that I could emulate their skills. I
>content myself with re-upholstering it every few decades. I've owned this
>set of furniture since 1969 and plan never to replace it.
>
>Arthur
>
>
>On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 5:22 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil < mcp2004 at mail.ru >wrote:
>
>>  Hi Jim --
>>
>> Actually, AFAIKR, the heated debate that time was about
>>
>> - hierarchical vs. network (CODASYL) databases (70-ies last century) and
>> then
>> - network (CODASYL) vs. relational databases (80-ies last century).
>>
>> And ISAM/VSAM (and even BDAM) were a "parallel" theme - file access
>> methods to use to implement RDMBSes physical layers.
>> There were a lot of research on distributed databases also in 80-ies as
>> well as on parallel/multi-threaded programming.
>> AFAIU Oracle got a lot from DB2 and other relational DB research projects
>> of 80-ies.
>>
>> Nowadays NoSQL "movement" for Big Data manipulation is looking as "another
>> circle of evolution spiral" (back to hierarchical/network databases) - so
>> one can expect that relational databases will get back in even "bigger that
>> nowadays Big Data Manipulation real business" in 30 years or less on
>> another higher level of never ending evolution spiral...
>>
>> As for Flow-Based Programming - IMO that is a "birds view" or tip of
>> iceberg of what an experienced modern programmer has(/is able) to do by
>> hands. And the gap between what can be done by using Flow-Based Programming
>> (Automation) and by hands will only grow with time. Just my opinion based
>> on my own experience. I can be wrong.
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>> -- Shamil
>>
>>
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