From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sat Jan 4 08:03:15 2014 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2014 09:03:15 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Capture Web Site Message-ID: I vaguely recall that I once had a tool that could capture an entire web site, but I cannot recall what the tool was. Can anyone recommend a tool that can do this? -- Arthur From eptept at gmail.com Sat Jan 4 08:22:25 2014 From: eptept at gmail.com (Ed Tesiny) Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2014 09:22:25 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Capture Web Site In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Take a look at GNU Wget On Sat, Jan 4, 2014 at 9:03 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > I vaguely recall that I once had a tool that could capture an entire web > site, but I cannot recall what the tool was. > > Can anyone recommend a tool that can do this? > > -- > Arthur > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sat Jan 4 08:51:40 2014 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2014 09:51:40 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Capture Web Site In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Ed, The Windows version apparently does not work or even install. Maybe I should try the Linux version. On Sat, Jan 4, 2014 at 9:22 AM, Ed Tesiny wrote: > Take a look at GNU Wget > > -- Arthur From Gustav at cactus.dk Sat Jan 4 09:18:20 2014 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Sat, 04 Jan 2014 16:18:20 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Capture Web Site Message-ID: Hi Arthur You can use VBA to download a page or file: ' Declaration section: Private Declare Function URLDownloadToFile Lib "urlmon" Alias "URLDownloadToFileA" ( _ ByVal pCaller As Long, _ ByVal szURL As String, _ ByVal szFileName As String, _ ByVal dwReserved As Long, _ ByVal lpfnCB As Long) _ As Long ' Function: Public Function DownloadFile( _ ByVal strURL As String, _ ByVal strLocalFilename As String) _ As Long ' Download file or page with public access from the web. ' 2004-12-17. Cactus Data ApS, CPH. ' Usage, download a file: ' lngRet = DownloadFile("http://www.databaseadvisors.com/Graphics/conf2002/2002ConferencePicsbySmolin/images/dba02smolin27.jpg", "c:\happybassett.jpg") ' ' Usage, download a page: ' lngRet = DownloadFile("http://www.databaseadvisors.com/conf2002/conf200202.asp", "c:\dbaconference.htm") ' Returns 0 if success, error code if not. ' Error codes: ' -2146697210 "file not found". ' -2146697211 "domain not found". ' Limitation. ' Does not check if local file was created successfully. Dim lngRetVal As Long lngRetVal = URLDownloadToFile(0, strURL & vbNullChar, strLocalFilename & vbNullChar, 0, 0) DownloadFile = lngRetVal End Function /gustav >>> fuller.artful at gmail.com 04-01-14 15:51 >>> Ed, The Windows version apparently does not work or even install. Maybe I should try the Linux version. From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sat Jan 4 10:07:30 2014 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2014 11:07:30 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Capture Web Site In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks for the code, Gustav, but I was actually looking for something that would download an entire web site, not just a page. I'll try Google now. Arthur From Gustav at cactus.dk Sat Jan 4 10:28:04 2014 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Sat, 04 Jan 2014 17:28:04 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Capture Web Site Message-ID: Hi Arthur Oh, that's a task a lot more complicated. /gustav >>> fuller.artful at gmail.com 04-01-14 17:07 >>> Thanks for the code, Gustav, but I was actually looking for something that would download an entire web site, not just a page. I'll try Google now. Arthur From jbartow at winhaven.net Sat Jan 4 11:56:18 2014 From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2014 11:56:18 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Capture Web Site In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <008b01cf0976$45728e00$d057aa00$@winhaven.net> Hi Arthur, I downloaded the trial for this the other day but haven't tried it yet: http://www.microsystools.com/products/website-download/ John B -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 10:08 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Capture Web Site Thanks for the code, Gustav, but I was actually looking for something that would download an entire web site, not just a page. I'll try Google now. Arthur _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From kathryn at bassett.net Sat Jan 4 15:32:24 2014 From: kathryn at bassett.net (Kathryn Bassett) Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2014 13:32:24 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Capture Web Site In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.httrack.com I've used that many times in the past, though not in last couple years. -- Kathryn Rhinehart Bassett (Pasadena CA) "Genealogy is my bag" "GH is my soap" kathryn at bassett.net http://bassett.net?? > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech- > bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller > > I vaguely recall that I once had a tool that could capture an entire web site, > but I cannot recall what the tool was. > > Can anyone recommend a tool that can do this? > > -- > Arthur From accessd at shaw.ca Sat Jan 4 16:55:18 2014 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2014 15:55:18 -0700 (MST) Subject: [dba-Tech] Capture Web Site In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1358852787.111586079.1388876118769.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi Arthur: There are tools in Google and Firefox that will let you discover and download pages and whole directories. Just select the area of a page, the whole page and grab the material you are interested in, right-mouse-click and select view source or inspect element. Then tab through the various options and copy and paste the various subdirectories like images, css, js, external calls, etc, your interested in. It is all fairly quick and you can then avoid gathering the various pieces of advertisement and analyst code the inevitably is plastered through out the web pages. Here is a link to a list of what was labelled as the years best web site...This might be of interest to you...notice that the sites support and adapt to the various screen sizes, from PC, laptop and other mobiles and may (as I have not checked) even have limited gesture support. http://www.techrepublic.com/pictures/the-best-web-designs-of-2013/1/ Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arthur Fuller" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Saturday, January 4, 2014 6:51:40 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Capture Web Site Ed, The Windows version apparently does not work or even install. Maybe I should try the Linux version. On Sat, Jan 4, 2014 at 9:22 AM, Ed Tesiny wrote: > Take a look at GNU Wget > > -- Arthur _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sat Jan 4 17:07:53 2014 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2014 18:07:53 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Capture Web Site In-Reply-To: <1358852787.111586079.1388876118769.JavaMail.root@cds002> References: <1358852787.111586079.1388876118769.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: Thanks Kathryn and Jim. I shall investigate. Arthur From accessd at shaw.ca Sat Jan 4 17:28:19 2014 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2014 16:28:19 -0700 (MST) Subject: [dba-Tech] Capture Web Site In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <762511487.111601353.1388878099311.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi Arthur: PS: From your Linux command prompt (terminal mode) you can use something as simple as the following to pull an entire website: $ wget \ --recursive \ --no-clobber \ --page-requisites \ --html-extension \ --convert-links \ --restrict-file-names=windows \ --domains website.org \ --no-parent \ Just change "website.org" to the name of the site you are offloading and migrate to the directory where you want your copy installed before pressing enter. For further details on using wget, from the terminal prompt enter "man wget". (I wonder if Windows has anything that simple within their extended script language?) Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arthur Fuller" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Saturday, January 4, 2014 8:07:30 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Capture Web Site Thanks for the code, Gustav, but I was actually looking for something that would download an entire web site, not just a page. I'll try Google now. Arthur _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sat Jan 4 21:02:23 2014 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2014 22:02:23 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Capture Web Site In-Reply-To: <762511487.111601353.1388878099311.JavaMail.root@cds002> References: <762511487.111601353.1388878099311.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: Thanks a ton, Jim. One of the nice things about an GB setup is the speed of a a Linux VM. Shakl tryy this right now On Sat, Jan 4, 2014 at 6:28 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Hi Arthur: > > PS: From your Linux command prompt (terminal mode) you can use something > as simple as the following to pull an entire website: > > $ wget \ > --recursive \ > --no-clobber \ > --page-requisites \ > --html-extension \ > --convert-links \ > --restrict-file-names=windows \ > --domains website.org \ > --no-parent \ > > Just change "website.org" to the name of the site you are offloading and > migrate to the directory where you want your copy installed before pressing > enter. For further details on using wget, from the terminal prompt enter > "man wget". (I wonder if Windows has anything that simple within their > extended script language?) > > Jim > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Arthur Fuller" > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" < > dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com> > Sent: Saturday, January 4, 2014 8:07:30 AM > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Capture Web Site > > Thanks for the code, Gustav, but I was actually looking for something that > would download an entire web site, not just a page. I'll try Google now. > > Arthur > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Arthur From accessd at shaw.ca Sun Jan 5 22:56:25 2014 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2014 21:56:25 -0700 (MST) Subject: [dba-Tech] Futurist In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1830177780.112366458.1388984185414.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi All: Isaac Asimov was always one of my favourite writer as a youth and I have collected and read virtually all his fiction and non-fiction books. He was a man of great vision and here in 2014, over fifty years after his prediction, he has been remarkably accurate, especially before our computer age even existed. http://www.openculture.com/2014/01/isaac-asimov-predicts-what-the-world-will-look-in-2014.html Jim From fuller.artful at gmail.com Mon Jan 6 10:32:27 2014 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2014 11:32:27 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Futurist In-Reply-To: <1830177780.112366458.1388984185414.JavaMail.root@cds002> References: <1830177780.112366458.1388984185414.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: Thanks for this, Jim, and also for the link to what appears to be a great site. I was unaware of it until now. Arthur On Sun, Jan 5, 2014 at 11:56 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Hi All: > > Isaac Asimov was always one of my favourite writer as a youth and I have > collected and read virtually all his fiction and non-fiction books. He was > a man of great vision and here in 2014, over fifty years after his > prediction, he has been remarkably accurate, especially before our computer > age even existed. > > > http://www.openculture.com/2014/01/isaac-asimov-predicts-what-the-world-will-look-in-2014.html > > Jim From mcp2004 at mail.ru Tue Jan 7 06:31:13 2014 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Tue, 07 Jan 2014 16:31:13 +0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?TechCrunch=3A_Intel=E2=80=99s_Vision=3A_Wear?= =?utf-8?q?ables_Everywhere_In_A_Post-Windows_World?= Message-ID: <1389097873.178777453@f27.i.mail.ru> Hi All -- I've been waiting for Jim to comment on the subject news but he seems to be on a short vacation :) . So I'm taking this opportunity to post a link on a news, which ("full computer the size of an SD card") was announced?even on our local FM rock-/pop-classics music radio: "Intel?s Vision: Wearables Everywhere In A Post-Windows World" http://techcrunch.com/2014/01/07/intels-vision-wearables-everywhere-in-a-post-windows-world/ It sounds exciting. Time to finally get LAMP stack installed and studied here heavily? "How can you run Windows on microcomputers that retail for a fraction of the cost of Windows to an OEM building a new PC?" - this is an open question from the subject article. And I wonder will the today's Intel announcement force MS Windows to get open sourced? Thank you. -- ???????????? ?????? From accessd at shaw.ca Tue Jan 7 11:44:25 2014 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2014 10:44:25 -0700 (MST) Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?TechCrunch=3A_Intel=E2=80=99s_Vision=3A_Wear?= =?utf-8?q?ables_Everywhere_In_A_Post-Windows_World?= In-Reply-To: <1389097873.178777453@f27.i.mail.ru> Message-ID: <1189774398.113894035.1389116665931.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi Shamil and all: You are correct...I have been up to my neck in renovations, late software and we are waiting for our first grandchild. :-) It seems there is no longer a single OS to rule them all. Intel realizes this. That is a good thing is the diversifying going on in the mobile market and virtually all hardware; cars, refrigerators, lights and so on...the CES show will set the template for the next year and probably for years to come. What is speeding much of this transition is Snowden's revelations: http://betanews.com/2013/12/30/the-collapse-of-the-internet-and-other-things-to-look-forward-to-in-2014/ ...and now even Britain is creating its own "Great Firewall" called the "Sky Broadband Shield": http://torrentfreak.com/uk-porn-filter-blocks-legitimate-file-sharing-services-and-torrentfreak-140103/ Unfortunately, this new firewall is blocking access to torrent, proxy and VPN technology as well as to Linux distros, all of which can be designed to protect a client's personal data. This may have of course been an accident but I think not. It is interesting to note that this firewall is call "Sky" (Net) "Broadband Shield", which makes me think of the "Terminator" movies...is this naming also an accident? I personally do not think, in this environment, it will bode well for Windows and other proprietary software. Businesses are getting very shy and do not really trust many of our standard software and hardware suppliers...financial institutions and large corporations are most concerned. The local banks have not moved off XP, as they still do not know where to move to but they have upped their security with an AES encrypted VPN, custom OSed router software and have built custom, very limiting front-ends, for their employees use. My bet is that they will eventually move to a custom Linux distro as they have little choice. Microsoft may be compelled to Open source their products, at least their security section, but we shall see. (It is interesting that Apple has managed to duck much of this controversy but for how long?) Aside: It should be noted that the NSA predominately uses OS products...built for speed, reliability, flexibility and, I would suspect, for their own security. Maybe my age is showing, but I think we should be trying to take back our internet and data. Becoming a society that just uses dumb terminals, with pretty interfaces and where everything we do or go is monetized, with floods of ads and the reselling of our personal data, is not my idea of progress. As a developer at least I have the capability to host my own Cloud, Internet, Mail, Data servers, build my own hosted websites and tailor own my security...a luxury not available to many. In the next few years there will be a flood of security products that will be easy to install and use...Linux will be front and centre in this evolution. To that end, here is a little Startup project that is creating a open source portable search engine: http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1455616350/yacypi-turnkey-raspberry-pi-based-internet-search Whether it will be a waste of $200.00 is yet to be seem but in theory, given the distributive torrent technology, this new search engine will be as fast, if not faster, than the giants like Google and Bing...and no corporate monitoring and ads. OTOH, this year is going to be huge watershed year with many exciting technologies. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Tuesday, January 7, 2014 4:31:13 AM Subject: [dba-Tech] TechCrunch: Intel?s Vision: Wearables Everywhere In A Post-Windows World Hi All -- I've been waiting for Jim to comment on the subject news but he seems to be on a short vacation :) . So I'm taking this opportunity to post a link on a news, which ("full computer the size of an SD card") was announced?even on our local FM rock-/pop-classics music radio: "Intel?s Vision: Wearables Everywhere In A Post-Windows World" http://techcrunch.com/2014/01/07/intels-vision-wearables-everywhere-in-a-post-windows-world/ It sounds exciting. Time to finally get LAMP stack installed and studied here heavily? "How can you run Windows on microcomputers that retail for a fraction of the cost of Windows to an OEM building a new PC?" - this is an open question from the subject article. And I wonder will the today's Intel announcement force MS Windows to get open sourced? Thank you. -- ???????????? ?????? _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From mcp2004 at mail.ru Wed Jan 8 09:52:01 2014 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2014 19:52:01 +0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?FYI=3A_PrePros_-_an_awesome_Web_design_and_d?= =?utf-8?q?evelopment_tool=2E=2E=2E?= Message-ID: <1389196321.171049812@f438.i.mail.ru> Hi All Looking for something like CodeKit (Apple) but for MW Windows I have got at Prepros' web site:? http://alphapixels.com/prepros/ ?. ?"Prepros is a web design & developement tool that does all the heavy lifting needed to preprocess, optimize and test your sites and keeps your workflow supercharged." I've got purchased a Pro license of the subject tool and I've started to use it in my learning of all the "hot" web dev technologies/tools, such as SASS, Haml, CoffeScript, TypeScript,... ? ?So far ?I like it a lot. AFAIS from setup files PrePros is developed using node.js and Ruby (on Rails) as well as using some other technologies I'm unaware of. See also: http://codepen.io/ http://livereload.com/ http://incident57.com/codekit/ http://compass-style.org/ http://mhs.github.io/scout-app/ http://compass.kkbox.com/ http://fireapp.kkbox.com/ http://learnboost.github.io/stylus/ ... {{ please add you links to similar technologies and tools and post back }} -- ???????????? ?????? From mcp2004 at mail.ru Wed Jan 8 09:58:25 2014 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2014 19:58:25 +0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?TechCrunch=3A_Intel=E2=80=99s_Vision=3A_Wear?= =?utf-8?q?ables_Everywhere_In_A_Post-Windows_World?= In-Reply-To: <1189774398.113894035.1389116665931.JavaMail.root@cds002> References: <1389097873.178777453@f27.i.mail.ru> <1189774398.113894035.1389116665931.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: <1389196705.482652190@f438.i.mail.ru> Hi Jim -- Thank you for your detailed comment. <<>> "Front-end" - agreed, but "centre"? - have a look at this article/opinion: "Microsoft's late fixing Windows, but ahead on the cloud" http://www.infoworld.com/t/microsoft-windows/microsofts-late-fixing-windows-ahead-the-cloud-233452 -- Shamil Tuesday, January 7, 2014 10:44 AM -07:00 from Jim Lawrence : >Hi Shamil and all: > >You are correct...I have been up to my neck in renovations, late software and we are waiting for our first grandchild. :-) > >It seems there is no longer a single OS to rule them all. Intel realizes this. That is a good thing is the diversifying going on in the mobile market and virtually all hardware; cars, refrigerators, lights and so on...the CES show will set the template for the next year and probably for years to come. > >What is speeding much of this transition is Snowden's revelations: >http://betanews.com/2013/12/30/the-collapse-of-the-internet-and-other-things-to-look-forward-to-in-2014/ > >...and now even Britain is creating its own "Great Firewall" called the "Sky Broadband Shield": > >http://torrentfreak.com/uk-porn-filter-blocks-legitimate-file-sharing-services-and-torrentfreak-140103/ > >Unfortunately, this new firewall is blocking access to torrent, proxy and VPN technology as well as to Linux distros, all of which can be designed to protect a client's personal data. This may have of course been an accident but I think not. It is interesting to note that this firewall is call "Sky" (Net) "Broadband Shield", which makes me think of the "Terminator" movies...is this naming also an accident? > >I personally do not think, in this environment, it will bode well for Windows and other proprietary software. Businesses are getting very shy and do not really trust many of our standard software and hardware suppliers...financial institutions and large corporations are most concerned. The local banks have not moved off XP, as they still do not know where to move to but they have upped their security with an AES encrypted VPN, custom OSed router software and have built custom, very limiting front-ends, for their employees use. My bet is that they will eventually move to a custom Linux distro as they have little choice. Microsoft may be compelled to Open source their products, at least their security section, but we shall see. (It is interesting that Apple has managed to duck much of this controversy but for how long?) > >Aside: It should be noted that the NSA predominately uses OS products...built for speed, reliability, flexibility and, I would suspect, for their own security. >??? >Maybe my age is showing, but I think we should be trying to take back our internet and data. Becoming a society that just uses dumb terminals, with pretty interfaces and where everything we do or go is monetized, with floods of ads and the reselling of our personal data, is not my idea of progress. As a developer at least I have the capability to host my own Cloud, Internet, Mail, Data servers, build my own hosted websites and tailor own my security...a luxury not available to many. In the next few years there will be a flood of security products that will be easy to install and use...Linux will be front and centre in this evolution. > >To that end, here is a little Startup project that is creating a open source portable search engine: >http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1455616350/yacypi-turnkey-raspberry-pi-based-internet-search > >Whether it will be a waste of $200.00 is yet to be seem but in theory, given the distributive torrent technology, this new search engine will be as fast, if not faster, than the giants like Google and Bing...and no corporate monitoring and ads. > >OTOH, this year is going to be huge watershed year with many exciting technologies. > >Jim >???? > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" < mcp2004 at mail.ru > >To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" < dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com > >Sent: Tuesday, January 7, 2014 4:31:13 AM >Subject: [dba-Tech] TechCrunch: Intel?s Vision: Wearables Everywhere In A Post-Windows World > >?Hi All -- > >I've been waiting for Jim to comment on the subject news but he seems to be on a short vacation :) . >So I'm taking this opportunity to post a link on a news, which ("full computer the size of an SD card") was announced?even on our local FM rock-/pop-classics music radio: > >"Intel?s Vision: Wearables Everywhere In A Post-Windows World" >http://techcrunch.com/2014/01/07/intels-vision-wearables-everywhere-in-a-post-windows-world/ > >It sounds exciting. Time to finally get LAMP stack installed and studied here heavily? >"How can you run Windows on microcomputers that retail for a fraction of the cost of Windows to an OEM building a new PC?" - this is an open question from the subject article. >And I wonder will the today's Intel announcement force MS Windows to get open sourced? > >Thank you. > >-- >???????????? ?????? > -- ???????????? ?????? From marklbreen at gmail.com Wed Jan 8 11:37:00 2014 From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen) Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2014 17:37:00 +0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] FYI: PrePros - an awesome Web design and development tool... In-Reply-To: <1389196321.171049812@f438.i.mail.ru> References: <1389196321.171049812@f438.i.mail.ru> Message-ID: Hello Shamil any examples of what you can build with it? I must say I am not sure I really "get it" thanks Mark On 8 January 2014 15:52, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote: > Hi All > > Looking for something like CodeKit (Apple) but for MW Windows I have got > at Prepros' web site: http://alphapixels.com/prepros/ . > > "Prepros is a web design & developement tool that does all the heavy > lifting needed to preprocess, optimize and test your sites and keeps your > workflow supercharged." > > I've got purchased a Pro license of the subject tool and I've started to > use it in my learning of all the "hot" web dev technologies/tools, such as > SASS, Haml, CoffeScript, TypeScript,... So far I like it a lot. > > AFAIS from setup files PrePros is developed using node.js and Ruby (on > Rails) as well as using some other technologies I'm unaware of. > > See also: > http://codepen.io/ > http://livereload.com/ > http://incident57.com/codekit/ > http://compass-style.org/ > http://mhs.github.io/scout-app/ > http://compass.kkbox.com/ > http://fireapp.kkbox.com/ > http://learnboost.github.io/stylus/ > ... > {{ please add you links to similar technologies and tools and post back }} > > -- > ???????????? ?????? > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From jbartow at winhaven.net Wed Jan 8 12:14:23 2014 From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2014 12:14:23 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Transact-SQL Named Programming Language of 2013 Message-ID: <00df01cf0c9d$76161070$62423150$@winhaven.net> The TIOBE Index of the most popular programming languages named Transact-SQL as the programming language of 2013. According to the TIOBE Index, maintained by TIOBE Software, Transact-SQL was the biggest mover of 2013. Last year, Transact-SQL won almost 1 percent of popularity (0.98 percent to be precise), followed by Objective-C at 0.81 percent and F# at 0.53 percent. "It is a bit strange that Transact-SQL wins the award because its major application field, Microsoft's database engine SQL Server, is losing popularity," TIOBE officials said. The general conclusion is that Transact-SQL won because actually not much happened in 2013. In former years, the award winner gained many percentage points in a year. Transact-SQL (T-SQL) is Microsoft and Sybase's proprietary extension to the Structured Query Language (SQL). SQL is a standardized computer language that was originally developed by IBM for querying, altering and defining relational databases, using declarative statements. T-SQL expands on the SQL standard to include procedural programming, local variables, various support functions for string processing, date processing, mathematics, etc., and changes to the DELETE and UPDATE statements. These additional features make Transact-SQL Turing complete. Transact-SQL is central to using Microsoft SQL Server. All applications that communicate with an instance of SQL Server do so by sending Transact-SQL statements to the server, regardless of the user interface of the application. As the last decade has shown, programming language popularity is largely influenced by external trends, TIOBE said. The most important ones at the moment are mobile phone apps and Web development. Android (mainly Java) and iOS (Objective-C) are the major mobile platforms, while Windows Phone (mainly C#) is catching up. Meanwhile, in the Web development world, TIOBE officials said there is not much happening yet despite all the HTML5 discussions. JavaScript should be the big winner but has not gained much popularity on the list as it holds stable at around the No. 9 spot. Yet, JavaScript's alternatives are faring even worse, with Dart ranked at 124, CoffeeScript at 170 and TypeScript at 205. TIOBE changed the TIOBE index algorithm at the end of 2013. The two major changes are: 1) Search engines now contribute much more to the TIOBE index based on their Alexa rankings and suitability to process data automatically, and 2) in the past the sum of the ratings of the top 50 languages was 100 percent, but now the sum of all languages is 100 percent. As a result, most top languages dropped by about 0.5 percent. The TIOBE Programming Community index is an indicator of the popularity of programming languages. The index is updated once a month. The ratings are based on the number of skilled engineers worldwide, courses and third-party vendors. Popular search engines such as Google, Bing, Yahoo, Wikipedia, Amazon, YouTube and Baidu are used to calculate the ratings. TIOBE index is not about the best programming language or the language in which most lines of code have been written. From accessd at shaw.ca Wed Jan 8 13:28:06 2014 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2014 12:28:06 -0700 (MST) Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?TechCrunch=3A_Intel=E2=80=99s_Vision=3A_Wear?= =?utf-8?q?ables_Everywhere_In_A_Post-Windows_World?= In-Reply-To: <1389196705.482652190@f438.i.mail.ru> Message-ID: <1050705752.115142377.1389209286850.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi Shamil: That is a good article...lots of research. Linux has taken a long time to even be accepted on the desktop...most likely because of its techy functionality and interface and its absolutely zero advertising budget. Will it ever become main stream desktop;...that is an interesting question. OTOH, as far as every other mobile and server environment its dominance is in the eighty percentile plus. I do think Cloud based applications and their use, in areas where good and stable communications exist will be the be the new center, at least the pundits thinks so. With Microsoft's Azure Cloud (based off development work through OpenSuse), it is one of the few (only?) Cloud based engines that is not pure Linux. When I am stating Linux is predominant, it is not just that it is base for virtually all Clouds, major company and enterprise servers, smartphone and other cheap mobile devices but that all intelligence being added to the miscellaneous devices like electronics, house-hold appliances, car based systems and industrial controls and so on, are apparently almost exclusive to Linux. Back to the PC desktop; it does seem the Windows desktop and mobile is bending to public opinion and I am happy to see this change: Mary Jo Foley reported on ZDNet that inside sources told her two Threshhold flavours would return to a more "traditional" desktop look and feel, with a third version resembling Windows RT -- presumably for tablets. Paul Thurrott chimed in with his own inside dope that not only would the Start menu return, but also Metro apps would be able to run on the Windows desktop. (I can't resist noting that InfoWorld suggested similar changes with our Windows Red proposal seven months ago.) All I can say is, "It is about time." Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2014 7:58:25 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] TechCrunch: Intel?s Vision: Wearables Everywhere In A Post-Windows World Hi Jim -- Thank you for your detailed comment. <<>> "Front-end" - agreed, but "centre"? - have a look at this article/opinion: "Microsoft's late fixing Windows, but ahead on the cloud" http://www.infoworld.com/t/microsoft-windows/microsofts-late-fixing-windows-ahead-the-cloud-233452 -- Shamil From mcp2004 at mail.ru Wed Jan 8 14:28:24 2014 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Thu, 09 Jan 2014 00:28:24 +0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?TechCrunch=3A_Intel=E2=80=99s_Vision=3A_Wear?= =?utf-8?q?ables_Everywhere_In_A_Post-Windows_World?= In-Reply-To: <1050705752.115142377.1389209286850.JavaMail.root@cds002> References: <1389196705.482652190@f438.i.mail.ru> <1050705752.115142377.1389209286850.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: <1389212904.102173240@f159.i.mail.ru> HI Jim -- <<>> Have you seen that announcement?: "Intel at CES 2014: dual-boot Windows and Android PCs, Steam Machine support" http://www.vg247.com/2014/01/07/intel-at-ces-2014-dual-boot-windows-and-android-pcs-steam-machine-support/ "Instantly-switchable by pressing a button" dual-boot PCs for Windows and "pure" Linux will probably follow.... -- Shamil Wednesday, January 8, 2014 12:28 PM -07:00 from Jim Lawrence : >Hi Shamil: > >That is a good article...lots of research. > >Linux has taken a long time to even be accepted on the desktop...most likely because of its techy functionality and interface and its absolutely zero advertising budget. Will it ever become main stream desktop;...that is an interesting question. OTOH, as far as every other mobile and server environment its dominance is in the eighty percentile plus. > >I do think Cloud based applications and their use, in areas where good and stable communications exist will be the be the new center, at least the pundits thinks so. With Microsoft's Azure Cloud (based off development work through OpenSuse), it is one of the few (only?) Cloud based engines that is not pure Linux. > >When I am stating Linux is predominant, it is not just that it is base for virtually all Clouds, major company and enterprise servers, smartphone and other cheap mobile devices but that all intelligence being added to the miscellaneous devices like electronics, house-hold appliances, car based systems and industrial controls and so on, are apparently almost exclusive to Linux. > >Back to the PC desktop; it does seem the Windows desktop and mobile is bending to public opinion and I am happy to see this change: > > >Mary Jo Foley reported on ZDNet that inside sources told her two Threshhold flavours would return to a more "traditional" desktop look and feel, with a third version resembling Windows RT -- presumably for tablets. Paul Thurrott chimed in with his own inside dope that not only would the Start menu return, but also Metro apps would be able to run on the Windows desktop. (I can't resist noting that InfoWorld suggested similar changes with our Windows Red proposal seven months ago.) > > >All I can say is, "It is about time." > >Jim > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" < mcp2004 at mail.ru > >To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" < dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com > >Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2014 7:58:25 AM >Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] TechCrunch: Intel?s Vision: Wearables Everywhere In A Post-Windows World > >?Hi Jim -- > >Thank you for your detailed comment. > ><<>> >"Front-end" - agreed, but "centre"? - have a look at this article/opinion: > >"Microsoft's late fixing Windows, but ahead on the cloud" http://www.infoworld.com/t/microsoft-windows/microsofts-late-fixing-windows-ahead-the-cloud-233452 > >-- Shamil > >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- ???????????? ?????? From fuller.artful at gmail.com Wed Jan 8 18:01:41 2014 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2014 19:01:41 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] =?windows-1252?q?TechCrunch=3A_Intel=92s_Vision=3A_Wea?= =?windows-1252?q?rables_Everywhere_In_A_Post-Windows_World?= In-Reply-To: <1389212904.102173240@f159.i.mail.ru> References: <1389196705.482652190@f438.i.mail.ru> <1050705752.115142377.1389209286850.JavaMail.root@cds002> <1389212904.102173240@f159.i.mail.ru> Message-ID: Clearly I am so far out of the loop as to be deemed unworthy and beside the point. I just don't get this stuff.. I just don't get it. When I have Google Glasses and a few tablets, what are these girls bringing to the party that I don't already have? Just couple of thoughts from an old-timer who dates back to CP/M. Not that I'm a complete dinosaur. Two days ago I visited the Ripley Aquarium and wow wow wow. Ever seen a manta about 15 meters across, swimming overhead? There is simply nothing to compare. On Wed, Jan 8, 2014 at 3:28 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote: > HI Jim -- > > <<< Linux has taken a long time to even be accepted on the desktop...most > likely because of its techy functionality and interface and its absolutely > zero advertising budget. Will it ever become main stream desktop;...that is > an interesting question.>>> > Have you seen that announcement?: > > "Intel at CES 2014: dual-boot Windows and Android PCs, Steam Machine > support" > > http://www.vg247.com/2014/01/07/intel-at-ces-2014-dual-boot-windows-and-android-pcs-steam-machine-support/ > > "Instantly-switchable by pressing a button" dual-boot PCs for Windows and > "pure" Linux will probably follow.... > > -- Shamil > > Wednesday, January 8, 2014 12:28 PM -07:00 from Jim Lawrence < > accessd at shaw.ca>: > >Hi Shamil: > > > >That is a good article...lots of research. > > > >Linux has taken a long time to even be accepted on the desktop...most > likely because of its techy functionality and interface and its absolutely > zero advertising budget. Will it ever become main stream desktop;...that is > an interesting question. OTOH, as far as every other mobile and server > environment its dominance is in the eighty percentile plus. > > > >I do think Cloud based applications and their use, in areas where good > and stable communications exist will be the be the new center, at least the > pundits thinks so. With Microsoft's Azure Cloud (based off development work > through OpenSuse), it is one of the few (only?) Cloud based engines that is > not pure Linux. > > > >When I am stating Linux is predominant, it is not just that it is base > for virtually all Clouds, major company and enterprise servers, smartphone > and other cheap mobile devices but that all intelligence being added to the > miscellaneous devices like electronics, house-hold appliances, car based > systems and industrial controls and so on, are apparently almost exclusive > to Linux. > > > >Back to the PC desktop; it does seem the Windows desktop and mobile is > bending to public opinion and I am happy to see this change: > > > > > >Mary Jo Foley reported on ZDNet that inside sources told her two > Threshhold flavours would return to a more "traditional" desktop look and > feel, with a third version resembling Windows RT -- presumably for tablets. > Paul Thurrott chimed in with his own inside dope that not only would the > Start menu return, but also Metro apps would be able to run on the Windows > desktop. (I can't resist noting that InfoWorld suggested similar changes > with our Windows Red proposal seven months ago.) > > > > > >All I can say is, "It is about time." > > > >Jim > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" < mcp2004 at mail.ru > > >To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" < > dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com > > >Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2014 7:58:25 AM > >Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] TechCrunch: Intel?s Vision: Wearables Everywhere > In A Post-Windows World > > > > Hi Jim -- > > > >Thank you for your detailed comment. > > > ><<< .Linux will be front and centre in this evolution. >>> > >"Front-end" - agreed, but "centre"? - have a look at this article/opinion: > > > >"Microsoft's late fixing Windows, but ahead on the cloud" > http://www.infoworld.com/t/microsoft-windows/microsofts-late-fixing-windows-ahead-the-cloud-233452 > > > >-- Shamil > > > >_______________________________________________ > >dba-Tech mailing list > >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > ???????????? ?????? > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Arthur From accessd at shaw.ca Wed Jan 8 20:39:24 2014 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2014 19:39:24 -0700 (MST) Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?TechCrunch=3A_Intel=E2=80=99s_Vision=3A_Wear?= =?utf-8?q?ables_Everywhere_In_A_Post-Windows_World?= In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <429615204.115594686.1389235164710.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi Arthur: I still think new tech is delightful and have been "testing" as many pieces as I can. We have really come so far...even in just ten years...to me it is almost unbelievable and I can not see myself ever tiring of it. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arthur Fuller" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2014 4:01:41 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] TechCrunch: Intel?s Vision: Wearables Everywhere In A Post-Windows World Clearly I am so far out of the loop as to be deemed unworthy and beside the point. I just don't get this stuff.. I just don't get it. When I have Google Glasses and a few tablets, what are these girls bringing to the party that I don't already have? Just couple of thoughts from an old-timer who dates back to CP/M. Not that I'm a complete dinosaur. Two days ago I visited the Ripley Aquarium and wow wow wow. Ever seen a manta about 15 meters across, swimming overhead? There is simply nothing to compare. On Wed, Jan 8, 2014 at 3:28 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote: > HI Jim -- > > <<< Linux has taken a long time to even be accepted on the desktop...most > likely because of its techy functionality and interface and its absolutely > zero advertising budget. Will it ever become main stream desktop;...that is > an interesting question.>>> > Have you seen that announcement?: > > "Intel at CES 2014: dual-boot Windows and Android PCs, Steam Machine > support" > > http://www.vg247.com/2014/01/07/intel-at-ces-2014-dual-boot-windows-and-android-pcs-steam-machine-support/ > > "Instantly-switchable by pressing a button" dual-boot PCs for Windows and > "pure" Linux will probably follow.... > > -- Shamil > > Wednesday, January 8, 2014 12:28 PM -07:00 from Jim Lawrence < > accessd at shaw.ca>: > >Hi Shamil: > > > >That is a good article...lots of research. > > > >Linux has taken a long time to even be accepted on the desktop...most > likely because of its techy functionality and interface and its absolutely > zero advertising budget. Will it ever become main stream desktop;...that is > an interesting question. OTOH, as far as every other mobile and server > environment its dominance is in the eighty percentile plus. > > > >I do think Cloud based applications and their use, in areas where good > and stable communications exist will be the be the new center, at least the > pundits thinks so. With Microsoft's Azure Cloud (based off development work > through OpenSuse), it is one of the few (only?) Cloud based engines that is > not pure Linux. > > > >When I am stating Linux is predominant, it is not just that it is base > for virtually all Clouds, major company and enterprise servers, smartphone > and other cheap mobile devices but that all intelligence being added to the > miscellaneous devices like electronics, house-hold appliances, car based > systems and industrial controls and so on, are apparently almost exclusive > to Linux. > > > >Back to the PC desktop; it does seem the Windows desktop and mobile is > bending to public opinion and I am happy to see this change: > > > > > >Mary Jo Foley reported on ZDNet that inside sources told her two > Threshhold flavours would return to a more "traditional" desktop look and > feel, with a third version resembling Windows RT -- presumably for tablets. > Paul Thurrott chimed in with his own inside dope that not only would the > Start menu return, but also Metro apps would be able to run on the Windows > desktop. (I can't resist noting that InfoWorld suggested similar changes > with our Windows Red proposal seven months ago.) > > > > > >All I can say is, "It is about time." > > > >Jim > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" < mcp2004 at mail.ru > > >To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" < > dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com > > >Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2014 7:58:25 AM > >Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] TechCrunch: Intel?s Vision: Wearables Everywhere > In A Post-Windows World > > > > Hi Jim -- > > > >Thank you for your detailed comment. > > > ><<< .Linux will be front and centre in this evolution. >>> > >"Front-end" - agreed, but "centre"? - have a look at this article/opinion: > > > >"Microsoft's late fixing Windows, but ahead on the cloud" > http://www.infoworld.com/t/microsoft-windows/microsofts-late-fixing-windows-ahead-the-cloud-233452 > > > >-- Shamil > > > >_______________________________________________ > >dba-Tech mailing list > >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > ???????????? ?????? > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Arthur _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Wed Jan 8 20:54:02 2014 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2014 19:54:02 -0700 (MST) Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?TechCrunch=3A_Intel=E2=80=99s_Vision=3A_Wear?= =?utf-8?q?ables_Everywhere_In_A_Post-Windows_World?= In-Reply-To: <1389212904.102173240@f159.i.mail.ru> Message-ID: <2143485573.115607310.1389236042871.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi Shamil: Thanks for the link...there is a show that I was supposed to watch the main events on, at the CES conference but it just got to busy. "Instantly-switchable"...now I like that. :-) Windows and Linux...very interesting. I wonder if the two OS environments can communicate with each other and transfer data? That is supposed to be the next big thing for cloud based Docker containers. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2014 12:28:24 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] TechCrunch: Intel?s Vision: Wearables Everywhere In A Post-Windows World HI Jim -- <<>> Have you seen that announcement?: "Intel at CES 2014: dual-boot Windows and Android PCs, Steam Machine support" http://www.vg247.com/2014/01/07/intel-at-ces-2014-dual-boot-windows-and-android-pcs-steam-machine-support/ "Instantly-switchable by pressing a button" dual-boot PCs for Windows and "pure" Linux will probably follow.... -- Shamil Wednesday, January 8, 2014 12:28 PM -07:00 from Jim Lawrence : >Hi Shamil: > >That is a good article...lots of research. > >Linux has taken a long time to even be accepted on the desktop...most likely because of its techy functionality and interface and its absolutely zero advertising budget. Will it ever become main stream desktop;...that is an interesting question. OTOH, as far as every other mobile and server environment its dominance is in the eighty percentile plus. > >I do think Cloud based applications and their use, in areas where good and stable communications exist will be the be the new center, at least the pundits thinks so. With Microsoft's Azure Cloud (based off development work through OpenSuse), it is one of the few (only?) Cloud based engines that is not pure Linux. > >When I am stating Linux is predominant, it is not just that it is base for virtually all Clouds, major company and enterprise servers, smartphone and other cheap mobile devices but that all intelligence being added to the miscellaneous devices like electronics, house-hold appliances, car based systems and industrial controls and so on, are apparently almost exclusive to Linux. > >Back to the PC desktop; it does seem the Windows desktop and mobile is bending to public opinion and I am happy to see this change: > > >Mary Jo Foley reported on ZDNet that inside sources told her two Threshhold flavours would return to a more "traditional" desktop look and feel, with a third version resembling Windows RT -- presumably for tablets. Paul Thurrott chimed in with his own inside dope that not only would the Start menu return, but also Metro apps would be able to run on the Windows desktop. (I can't resist noting that InfoWorld suggested similar changes with our Windows Red proposal seven months ago.) > > >All I can say is, "It is about time." > >Jim > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" < mcp2004 at mail.ru > >To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" < dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com > >Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2014 7:58:25 AM >Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] TechCrunch: Intel?s Vision: Wearables Everywhere In A Post-Windows World > >?Hi Jim -- > >Thank you for your detailed comment. > ><<>> >"Front-end" - agreed, but "centre"? - have a look at this article/opinion: > >"Microsoft's late fixing Windows, but ahead on the cloud" http://www.infoworld.com/t/microsoft-windows/microsofts-late-fixing-windows-ahead-the-cloud-233452 > >-- Shamil > >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- ???????????? ?????? _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From mcp2004 at mail.ru Thu Jan 9 07:23:36 2014 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Thu, 09 Jan 2014 17:23:36 +0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?TechCrunch=3A_Intel=E2=80=99s_Vision=3A_Wear?= =?utf-8?q?ables_Everywhere_In_A_Post-Windows_World?= In-Reply-To: References: <1389196705.482652190@f438.i.mail.ru> <1389212904.102173240@f159.i.mail.ru> Message-ID: <1389273816.769102068@f131.i.mail.ru> Hi Arthur ?-- Yes, giant manta you've seen should be very impressive creature while dual boot Intel PCs are just piece of plastics, metals and semiconductors...? -- Shamil Wednesday, January 8, 2014 7:01 PM -05:00 from Arthur Fuller : >Clearly I am so far out of the loop as to be deemed unworthy and beside the >point. I just don't get this stuff.. I just don't get it. When I have >Google Glasses and a few tablets, what are these girls bringing to the >party that I don't already have? > >Just couple of thoughts from an old-timer who dates back to CP/M. > >Not that I'm a complete dinosaur. Two days ago I visited the Ripley >Aquarium and wow wow wow. Ever seen a manta about 15 meters across, >swimming overhead? There is simply nothing to compare. > > <<< skipped >>> > From accessd at shaw.ca Thu Jan 9 12:02:19 2014 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2014 11:02:19 -0700 (MST) Subject: [dba-Tech] FYI: PrePros - an awesome Web design and development tool... In-Reply-To: <1389196321.171049812@f438.i.mail.ru> Message-ID: <1918285851.116193408.1389290539416.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi Shamil: That is a great list of frameworks. It has taken a while to get enough time to review each. The Prepros set of web tools sounds excellent and if they are platform independent and not browser centric it might be a winner though huge mashups scare me...like DNN which have so much convoluted code that any serious issues can take days to resolve...and the performance speeds can be a concern. There are so many great frameworks out there it is difficult to decide which is best and how these frameworks will co-exist as building a site may require many. Then trying to discover the order in which to start the packages up and searching out the inevitable conflicts can consume an afternoon or come as a surprise sometime later...after being deployed. I am of a mind that it is hard to tell whether these codekits and frameworks are a curse or a blessing. ;-) Most recently, I have been playing with the following webkit as it seems fairly simple to get started. It is described as an introduction to HTML5 desktop apps With Node-Webkit and you might also find this kit has potential. http://net.tutsplus.com/tutorials/javascript-ajax/introduction-to-html5-desktop-apps-with-node-webkit/ Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2014 7:52:01 AM Subject: [dba-Tech] FYI: PrePros - an awesome Web design and development tool... Hi All Looking for something like CodeKit (Apple) but for MW Windows I have got at Prepros' web site:? http://alphapixels.com/prepros/ ?. ?"Prepros is a web design & developement tool that does all the heavy lifting needed to preprocess, optimize and test your sites and keeps your workflow supercharged." I've got purchased a Pro license of the subject tool and I've started to use it in my learning of all the "hot" web dev technologies/tools, such as SASS, Haml, CoffeScript, TypeScript,... ? ?So far ?I like it a lot. AFAIS from setup files PrePros is developed using node.js and Ruby (on Rails) as well as using some other technologies I'm unaware of. See also: http://codepen.io/ http://livereload.com/ http://incident57.com/codekit/ http://compass-style.org/ http://mhs.github.io/scout-app/ http://compass.kkbox.com/ http://fireapp.kkbox.com/ http://learnboost.github.io/stylus/ ... {{ please add you links to similar technologies and tools and post back }} -- ???????????? ?????? _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Thu Jan 9 12:43:39 2014 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2014 11:43:39 -0700 (MST) Subject: [dba-Tech] Privacy and the web In-Reply-To: <1918285851.116193408.1389290539416.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: <1854615772.116247718.1389293019971.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi All: It appears that we have lost our ability to have privacy. The web consumes all we have ever posted or all that has ever been posted about us, forever. The use of that information so the advertisers can direct us to products and requirements that we may want is the up side. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQtCnYkp1UM#t=2481 The downside is of course those who want to control, monitor and analyse us. The previous link was published before the world was aware of the many versions the NSA. This type of business is not so much as to protect the people as it has a far greater potential to be used to control them and the temptation to abuse this power has always proved too great. Jim From mcp2004 at mail.ru Thu Jan 9 13:27:35 2014 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Thu, 09 Jan 2014 23:27:35 +0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?FYI=3A_PrePros_-_an_awesome_Web_design_and_d?= =?utf-8?q?evelopment_tool=2E=2E=2E?= In-Reply-To: <1918285851.116193408.1389290539416.JavaMail.root@cds002> References: <1389196321.171049812@f438.i.mail.ru> <1918285851.116193408.1389290539416.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: <1389295655.453118287@f279.i.mail.ru> Hi Jim -- Yes, Net Tuts+ is a great site - I'm planning to get their premium subscription - they have a lot of very useful web development video-tutorials. As for PHPStorm - AFAIK it's from JetBrains and they also have WebStorm ( http://www.jetbrains.com/webstorm/whatsnew/ ) - this one supports node.js development to name a few... As for the web development frameworks/meta-languages(preprocessors) - IMO the most stable ones in their current versions are more blessing than a curse ;) - and ?it would be useful to get here listed a 'minimum minimorum' of the following ones :) - CSS3/SASS: ?Compass (Susy, ?..), Stylus, ... - HTML5: ? ? ? ? ? Haml, Jade, Markdown, Slim ... - JavaScript: ? ? CoffeScript, TypeScript, DART, jQuery, Modernizr, AngularJS, KnockoutJS, ...., Backbone, RequireJS? - Python: ? ? ? ? ? ?Django ... {{ please add you links to similar technologies and tools and post back }} <<< The Prepros set of web tools sounds excellent and if they are platform independent and not browser centric it might be a winner though huge mashups scare me.. >>> It has Windows and Mac versions. You can develop platform independent web sites using Prepros App's MS Windows version. I have got this sample "Responsive Grids With Susy" ( http://net.tutsplus.com/tutorials/html-css-techniques/responsive-grids-with-susy/ )?preprocessed with Prepros App successfully on my Win8 PC. It's a real time-saver when you can edit your web site front-end html, css, javascript, SCSS, Haml, .... files and as soon as you save your edits preprocessing/converting starts: ? ?- .scss->.css, . ? ?- haml->html, ? ?- javascript and .css files concatenation and minimization, ? ?- images optimization etc. ? and then you get your browser "automagically" refreshed. WebStorm from JetBrains has some of the similar development support features, even MS WebMatrix has them ( http://www.microsoft.com/web/post/how-to-use-sass-css-in-webmatrix ) still Prepros seems to have the most complete set of feature if I'm not mistaken. Thank you. -- Shamil Thursday, January 9, 2014 11:02 AM -07:00 from Jim Lawrence : >Hi Shamil: > >That is a great list of frameworks. It has taken a while to get enough time to review each. The Prepros set of web tools sounds excellent and if they are platform independent and not browser centric it might be a winner though huge mashups scare me...like DNN which have so much convoluted code that any serious issues can take days to resolve...and the performance speeds can be a concern. > >There are so many great frameworks out there it is difficult to decide which is best and how these frameworks will co-exist as building a site may require many. Then trying to discover the order in which to start the packages up and searching out the inevitable conflicts can consume an afternoon or come as a surprise sometime later...after being deployed. > >I am of a mind that it is hard to tell whether these codekits and frameworks are a curse or a blessing. ;-) > >Most recently, I have been playing with the following webkit as it seems fairly simple to get started. It is described as an introduction to HTML5 desktop apps With Node-Webkit and you might also find this kit has potential. > >http://net.tutsplus.com/tutorials/javascript-ajax/introduction-to-html5-desktop-apps-with-node-webkit/ > >Jim > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" < mcp2004 at mail.ru > >To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" < dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com > >Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2014 7:52:01 AM >Subject: [dba-Tech] FYI: PrePros - an awesome Web design and development tool... > >?Hi All > >Looking for something like CodeKit (Apple) but for MW Windows I have got at Prepros' web site:? http://alphapixels.com/prepros/ ?. > >?"Prepros is a web design & developement tool that does all the heavy lifting needed to preprocess, optimize and test your sites and keeps your workflow supercharged." > >I've got purchased a Pro license of the subject tool and I've started to use it in my learning of all the "hot" web dev technologies/tools, such as SASS, Haml, CoffeScript, TypeScript,... ? ?So far ?I like it a lot. > >AFAIS from setup files PrePros is developed using node.js and Ruby (on Rails) as well as using some other technologies I'm unaware of. > >See also: >http://codepen.io/ >http://livereload.com/ >http://incident57.com/codekit/ >http://compass-style.org/ >http://mhs.github.io/scout-app/ >http://compass.kkbox.com/ >http://fireapp.kkbox.com/ >http://learnboost.github.io/stylus/ >... >{{ please add you links to similar technologies and tools and post back }} > >-- >???????????? ?????? >_______________________________________________ -- ???????????? ?????? From mcp2004 at mail.ru Thu Jan 9 13:47:23 2014 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Thu, 09 Jan 2014 23:47:23 +0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?FYI=3A_http=3A//dowebsitesneedtolookexactlyt?= =?utf-8?q?hesameineverybrowser=2Ecom/_=3A=29?= Message-ID: <1389296843.632427492@f279.i.mail.ru> Hi All -- FYI:? http://dowebsitesneedtolookexactlythesameineverybrowser.com/ ?:) -- ???????????? ?????? From mcp2004 at mail.ru Fri Jan 10 09:54:22 2014 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2014 19:54:22 +0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?FYI=3A_After_A_Troubled_2013=2C_The_PC_Marke?= =?utf-8?q?t_Looks_For_Stability?= Message-ID: <1389369262.566633159@f363.i.mail.ru> Hi All - FYI: ?" After A Troubled 2013, The PC Market Looks For Stability" http://techcrunch.com/2014/01/09/after-a-troubled-2013-the-pc-market-looks-for-stability/ -- ???????????? ?????? From mcp2004 at mail.ru Fri Jan 10 09:59:02 2014 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2014 19:59:02 +0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?=22Who=27s_right=2C_Gartner_or_Kantar_Worldp?= =?utf-8?q?anel_ComTech=3F=22?= Message-ID: <1389369542.23919493@f363.i.mail.ru> Hi All -- FYI: "Who's right, Gartner or Kantar Worldpanel ComTech?" http://blogs.computerworld.com/windows/23376/windows-isnt-dead-expect-growth-nearly-30-over-two-years -- ???????????? ?????? From mcp2004 at mail.ru Fri Jan 10 10:22:13 2014 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2014 20:22:13 +0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?FYI=3A_PrePros_-_an_awesome_Web_design_and_d?= =?utf-8?q?evelopment_tool=2E=2E=2E?= In-Reply-To: <1389295655.453118287@f279.i.mail.ru> References: <1389196321.171049812@f438.i.mail.ru> <1918285851.116193408.1389290539416.JavaMail.root@cds002> <1389295655.453118287@f279.i.mail.ru> Message-ID: <1389370933.13752321@f152.i.mail.ru> HI Jim et all -- Have a look I have published a sketch/draft tutorial on using Prepros App and Susy (SASS + Compass) here:? https://github.com/ShamilS/Prepros-Docs/blob/susy_and_compass/contents/sass-compass-susy.md ?(I was asked for a tip from Prepros App developer Subash Pathak ?as he is obviously overloaded with a lot of other urgent tasks. I'm too :) But IMO Prepros App is a real masterpiece - so I haven't found how to escape a temptation to add my two cents to it :)) Thank you. -- Shamil Thursday, January 9, 2014 11:27 PM +04:00 from Salakhetdinov Shamil : >Hi Jim -- > >Yes, Net Tuts+ is a great site - I'm planning to get their premium subscription - they have a lot of very useful web development video-tutorials. >As for PHPStorm - AFAIK it's from JetBrains and they also have WebStorm ( http://www.jetbrains.com/webstorm/whatsnew/ ) - this one supports node.js development to name a few... > >As for the web development frameworks/meta-languages(preprocessors) - IMO the most stable ones in their current versions are more blessing than a curse ;) - and ?it would be useful to get here listed a 'minimum minimorum' of the following ones :) > >- CSS3/SASS: ?Compass (Susy, ?..), Stylus, ... >- HTML5: ? ? ? ? ? Haml, Jade, Markdown, Slim ... >- JavaScript: ? ? CoffeScript, TypeScript, DART, jQuery, Modernizr, AngularJS, KnockoutJS, ...., Backbone, RequireJS? >- Python: ? ? ? ? ? ?Django >... >{{ please add you links to similar technologies and tools and post back }} > > ><<< >The Prepros set of web tools sounds excellent and if they are platform independent and not browser centric it might be a winner though huge mashups scare me.. >>>> >It has Windows and Mac versions. You can develop platform independent web sites using Prepros App's MS Windows version. I have got this sample "Responsive Grids With Susy" ( http://net.tutsplus.com/tutorials/html-css-techniques/responsive-grids-with-susy/ )?preprocessed with Prepros App successfully on my Win8 PC. It's a real time-saver when you can edit your web site front-end html, css, javascript, SCSS, Haml, .... files and as soon as you save your edits preprocessing/converting starts: > >? ?- .scss->.css, . >? ?- haml->html, >? ?- javascript and .css files concatenation and minimization, >? ?- images optimization etc. ? > >and then you get your browser "automagically" refreshed. > >WebStorm from JetBrains has some of the similar development support features, even MS WebMatrix has them ( http://www.microsoft.com/web/post/how-to-use-sass-css-in-webmatrix ) still Prepros seems to have the most complete set of feature if I'm not mistaken. > > >Thank you. > >-- Shamil > >Thursday, January 9, 2014 11:02 AM -07:00 from Jim Lawrence < accessd at shaw.ca >: >>Hi Shamil: >> >>That is a great list of frameworks. It has taken a while to get enough time to review each. The Prepros set of web tools sounds excellent and if they are platform independent and not browser centric it might be a winner though huge mashups scare me...like DNN which have so much convoluted code that any serious issues can take days to resolve...and the performance speeds can be a concern. >> >>There are so many great frameworks out there it is difficult to decide which is best and how these frameworks will co-exist as building a site may require many. Then trying to discover the order in which to start the packages up and searching out the inevitable conflicts can consume an afternoon or come as a surprise sometime later...after being deployed. >> >>I am of a mind that it is hard to tell whether these codekits and frameworks are a curse or a blessing. ;-) >> >>Most recently, I have been playing with the following webkit as it seems fairly simple to get started. It is described as an introduction to HTML5 desktop apps With Node-Webkit and you might also find this kit has potential. >> >> http://net.tutsplus.com/tutorials/javascript-ajax/introduction-to-html5-desktop-apps-with-node-webkit/ >> >>Jim >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" < mcp2004 at mail.ru > >>To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" < dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com > >>Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2014 7:52:01 AM >>Subject: [dba-Tech] FYI: PrePros - an awesome Web design and development tool... >> >>?Hi All >> >>Looking for something like CodeKit (Apple) but for MW Windows I have got at Prepros' web site:? http://alphapixels.com/prepros/ ?. >> >>?"Prepros is a web design & developement tool that does all the heavy lifting needed to preprocess, optimize and test your sites and keeps your workflow supercharged." >> >>I've got purchased a Pro license of the subject tool and I've started to use it in my learning of all the "hot" web dev technologies/tools, such as SASS, Haml, CoffeScript, TypeScript,... ? ?So far ?I like it a lot. >> >>AFAIS from setup files PrePros is developed using node.js and Ruby (on Rails) as well as using some other technologies I'm unaware of. >> >>See also: >> http://codepen.io/ >> http://livereload.com/ >> http://incident57.com/codekit/ >> http://compass-style.org/ >> http://mhs.github.io/scout-app/ >> http://compass.kkbox.com/ >> http://fireapp.kkbox.com/ >> http://learnboost.github.io/stylus/ >>... >>{{ please add you links to similar technologies and tools and post back }} >> >>--? From gustav at cactus.dk Fri Jan 10 10:48:52 2014 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2014 17:48:52 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] FYI: PrePros - an awesome Web design and development tool... Message-ID: <00a001cf0e23$d83c7a00$88b56e00$@cactus.dk> Hi Shamil I browsed the pages but maybe I'm blind. This seems like a grid created with css but there must be more into it. When and why would I use it? You made a nice documentation of the example. It's needed, I can see, because of the many steps and traps. /gustav -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Salakhetdinov Shamil Sendt: 10. januar 2014 17:22 Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] FYI: PrePros - an awesome Web design and development tool... HI Jim et all -- Have a look I have published a sketch/draft tutorial on using Prepros App and Susy (SASS + Compass) here: https://github.com/ShamilS/Prepros-Docs/blob/susy_and_compass/contents/sass-compass-susy.md (I was asked for a tip from Prepros App developer Subash Pathak as he is obviously overloaded with a lot of other urgent tasks. I'm too :) But IMO Prepros App is a real masterpiece - so I haven't found how to escape a temptation to add my two cents to it :)) Thank you. -- Shamil Thursday, January 9, 2014 11:27 PM +04:00 from Salakhetdinov Shamil : >Hi Jim -- > >Yes, Net Tuts+ is a great site - I'm planning to get their premium subscription - they have a lot of very useful web development video-tutorials. >As for PHPStorm - AFAIK it's from JetBrains and they also have WebStorm ( http://www.jetbrains.com/webstorm/whatsnew/ ) - this one supports node.js development to name a few... > >As for the web development frameworks/meta-languages(preprocessors) - IMO the most stable ones in their current versions are more blessing than a curse ;) - and it would be useful to get here listed a 'minimum minimorum' of the following ones :) > >- CSS3/SASS: Compass (Susy, ..), Stylus, ... >- HTML5: Haml, Jade, Markdown, Slim ... >- JavaScript: CoffeScript, TypeScript, DART, jQuery, Modernizr, AngularJS, KnockoutJS, ...., Backbone, RequireJS >- Python: Django >... >{{ please add you links to similar technologies and tools and post back }} > > ><<< >The Prepros set of web tools sounds excellent and if they are platform independent and not browser centric it might be a winner though huge mashups scare me.. >>>> >It has Windows and Mac versions. You can develop platform independent web sites using Prepros App's MS Windows version. I have got this sample "Responsive Grids With Susy" ( http://net.tutsplus.com/tutorials/html-css-techniques/responsive-grids-with-susy/ ) preprocessed with Prepros App successfully on my Win8 PC. It's a real time-saver when you can edit your web site front-end html, css, javascript, SCSS, Haml, .... files and as soon as you save your edits preprocessing/converting starts: > > - .scss->.css, . > - haml->html, > - javascript and .css files concatenation and minimization, > - images optimization etc. > >and then you get your browser "automagically" refreshed. > >WebStorm from JetBrains has some of the similar development support features, even MS WebMatrix has them ( http://www.microsoft.com/web/post/how-to-use-sass-css-in-webmatrix ) still Prepros seems to have the most complete set of feature if I'm not mistaken. > > >Thank you. > >-- Shamil > >Thursday, January 9, 2014 11:02 AM -07:00 from Jim Lawrence < accessd at shaw.ca >: >>Hi Shamil: >> >>That is a great list of frameworks. It has taken a while to get enough time to review each. The Prepros set of web tools sounds excellent and if they are platform independent and not browser centric it might be a winner though huge mashups scare me...like DNN which have so much convoluted code that any serious issues can take days to resolve...and the performance speeds can be a concern. >> >>There are so many great frameworks out there it is difficult to decide which is best and how these frameworks will co-exist as building a site may require many. Then trying to discover the order in which to start the packages up and searching out the inevitable conflicts can consume an afternoon or come as a surprise sometime later...after being deployed. >> >>I am of a mind that it is hard to tell whether these codekits and frameworks are a curse or a blessing. ;-) >> >>Most recently, I have been playing with the following webkit as it seems fairly simple to get started. It is described as an introduction to HTML5 desktop apps With Node-Webkit and you might also find this kit has potential. >> >> http://net.tutsplus.com/tutorials/javascript-ajax/introduction-to-html5-desktop-apps-with-node-webkit/ >> >>Jim >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" < mcp2004 at mail.ru > >>To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" < dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com > >>Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2014 7:52:01 AM >>Subject: [dba-Tech] FYI: PrePros - an awesome Web design and development tool... >> >> Hi All >> >>Looking for something like CodeKit (Apple) but for MW Windows I have got at Prepros' web site: http://alphapixels.com/prepros/ . >> >> "Prepros is a web design & developement tool that does all the heavy lifting needed to preprocess, optimize and test your sites and keeps your workflow supercharged." >> >>I've got purchased a Pro license of the subject tool and I've started to use it in my learning of all the "hot" web dev technologies/tools, such as SASS, Haml, CoffeScript, TypeScript,... So far I like it a lot. >> >>AFAIS from setup files PrePros is developed using node.js and Ruby (on Rails) as well as using some other technologies I'm unaware of. >> >>See also: >> http://codepen.io/ >> http://livereload.com/ >> http://incident57.com/codekit/ >> http://compass-style.org/ >> http://mhs.github.io/scout-app/ >> http://compass.kkbox.com/ >> http://fireapp.kkbox.com/ >> http://learnboost.github.io/stylus/ >>... >>{{ please add you links to similar technologies and tools and post back }} >> >>-- From mcp2004 at mail.ru Fri Jan 10 12:26:27 2014 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2014 22:26:27 +0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?FYI=3A_PrePros_-_an_awesome_Web_design_and_d?= =?utf-8?q?evelopment_tool=2E=2E=2E?= In-Reply-To: <00a001cf0e23$d83c7a00$88b56e00$@cactus.dk> References: <00a001cf0e23$d83c7a00$88b56e00$@cactus.dk> Message-ID: <1389378387.35626404@f84.i.mail.ru> Hi All -- I have tried a few times to post my reply to Gustav to dba-Tech by my reply text length is about 30KB long (without quoted prev.postings' texts) and it failed to get through dba-Tech message length filter (20KB) so I've sent my reply to Gustav directly. (I have cancelled all the posted messages waiting for moderators approval because of their length - I expect they should not appear here all at once/at all.) -- Shamil Friday, January 10, 2014 5:48 PM +01:00 from "Gustav Brock" : >Hi Shamil > >I browsed the pages but maybe I'm blind. This seems like a grid created with css but there must be more into it. When and why would I use it? > >You made a nice documentation of the example. It's needed, I can see, because of the many steps and traps. > >/gustav > > >-----Oprindelig meddelelse----- >Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Salakhetdinov Shamil >Sendt: 10. januar 2014 17:22 >Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues >Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] FYI: PrePros - an awesome Web design and development tool... > >?HI Jim et all -- > >Have a look I have published a sketch/draft tutorial on using Prepros App and Susy (SASS + Compass) here: https://github.com/ShamilS/Prepros-Docs/blob/susy_and_compass/contents/sass-compass-susy.md (I was asked for a tip from Prepros App developer Subash Pathak as he is obviously overloaded with a lot of other urgent tasks. I'm too :) But IMO Prepros App is a real masterpiece - so I haven't found how to escape a temptation to add my two cents to it :)) > >Thank you. > >-- Shamil > >Thursday, January 9, 2014 11:27 PM +04:00 from Salakhetdinov Shamil < mcp2004 at mail.ru >: >>Hi Jim -- >> >>Yes, Net Tuts+ is a great site - I'm planning to get their premium subscription - they have a lot of very useful web development video-tutorials. >>As for PHPStorm - AFAIK it's from JetBrains and they also have WebStorm ( http://www.jetbrains.com/webstorm/whatsnew/ ) - this one supports node.js development to name a few... >> >>As for the web development frameworks/meta-languages(preprocessors) - IMO the most stable ones in their current versions are more blessing than a curse ;) - and it would be useful to get here listed a 'minimum minimorum' of the following ones :) >> >>- CSS3/SASS: Compass (Susy, ..), Stylus, ... >>- HTML5: Haml, Jade, Markdown, Slim ... >>- JavaScript: CoffeScript, TypeScript, DART, jQuery, Modernizr, AngularJS, KnockoutJS, ...., Backbone, RequireJS >>- Python: Django >>... >>{{ please add you links to similar technologies and tools and post back }} >> >> From mcp2004 at mail.ru Fri Jan 10 14:41:54 2014 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2014 00:41:54 +0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?FYI=3A_Switch_easily_between_VirtualBox_and_?= =?utf-8?q?Hyper-V_with_a_BCDEdit_boot_Entry_in_Windows_8=2E1?= Message-ID: <1389386514.494987327@f58.i.mail.ru> Hi All -- FYI: "Switch easily between VirtualBox and Hyper-V with a BCDEdit boot Entry in Windows 8.1" http://www.hanselman.com/blog/SwitchEasilyBetweenVirtualBoxAndHyperVWithABCDEditBootEntryInWindows81.aspx -- ???????????? ?????? From mcp2004 at mail.ru Fri Jan 10 14:59:20 2014 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2014 00:59:20 +0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?=22Back_to_the_Future=22_=3A=29?= Message-ID: <1389387560.443602654@f58.i.mail.ru> Hi All -- FYI: http://www.dosbox.com/wiki/Main_Page http://www.dosbox.com/information.php?page=0 "How to run old but awesome games from the 90s on your new computer with DOSBox" http://www.hanselman.com/blog/HowToRunOldButAwesomeGamesFromThe90sOnYourNewComputerWithDOSBox.aspx -- ???????????? ?????? From accessd at shaw.ca Fri Jan 10 19:16:01 2014 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2014 18:16:01 -0700 (MST) Subject: [dba-Tech] "Back to the Future" :) In-Reply-To: <1389387560.443602654@f58.i.mail.ru> Message-ID: <2046450369.117852555.1389402961566.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi Shamil: I have been using the product for a while and it runs on all platforms. :-) The only problem I find is that it does not (appear) to allow a roll-out/shell (...another command session within a running application...but there may be some tricks that I have not figgered it out yet.) Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Friday, January 10, 2014 12:59:20 PM Subject: [dba-Tech] "Back to the Future" :) Hi All -- FYI: http://www.dosbox.com/wiki/Main_Page http://www.dosbox.com/information.php?page=0 "How to run old but awesome games from the 90s on your new computer with DOSBox" http://www.hanselman.com/blog/HowToRunOldButAwesomeGamesFromThe90sOnYourNewComputerWithDOSBox.aspx -- ???????????? ?????? _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Fri Jan 10 19:23:35 2014 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2014 18:23:35 -0700 (MST) Subject: [dba-Tech] FYI: Switch easily between VirtualBox and Hyper-V with a BCDEdit boot Entry in Windows 8.1 In-Reply-To: <1389386514.494987327@f58.i.mail.ru> Message-ID: <202061069.117856813.1389403415358.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi Shamil: I have seen the following command line... To turn off at the command prompt: bcdedit /set hypervisorlaunchtype off ...and on again: bcdedit /set hypervisorlaunchtype auto Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Friday, January 10, 2014 12:41:54 PM Subject: [dba-Tech] FYI: Switch easily between VirtualBox and Hyper-V with a BCDEdit boot Entry in Windows 8.1 Hi All -- FYI: "Switch easily between VirtualBox and Hyper-V with a BCDEdit boot Entry in Windows 8.1" http://www.hanselman.com/blog/SwitchEasilyBetweenVirtualBoxAndHyperVWithABCDEditBootEntryInWindows81.aspx -- ???????????? ?????? _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Fri Jan 10 19:28:49 2014 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2014 18:28:49 -0700 (MST) Subject: [dba-Tech] FYI: PrePros - an awesome Web design and development tool... In-Reply-To: <1389295655.453118287@f279.i.mail.ru> Message-ID: <992807257.117859460.1389403729637.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi Shamil: Even the full premium prices are very reasonable. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Thursday, January 9, 2014 11:27:35 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] FYI: PrePros - an awesome Web design and development tool... Hi Jim -- Yes, Net Tuts+ is a great site - I'm planning to get their premium subscription - they have a lot of very useful web development video-tutorials. As for PHPStorm - AFAIK it's from JetBrains and they also have WebStorm ( http://www.jetbrains.com/webstorm/whatsnew/ ) - this one supports node.js development to name a few... As for the web development frameworks/meta-languages(preprocessors) - IMO the most stable ones in their current versions are more blessing than a curse ;) - and ?it would be useful to get here listed a 'minimum minimorum' of the following ones :) - CSS3/SASS: ?Compass (Susy, ?..), Stylus, ... - HTML5: ? ? ? ? ? Haml, Jade, Markdown, Slim ... - JavaScript: ? ? CoffeScript, TypeScript, DART, jQuery, Modernizr, AngularJS, KnockoutJS, ...., Backbone, RequireJS? - Python: ? ? ? ? ? ?Django ... {{ please add you links to similar technologies and tools and post back }} <<< The Prepros set of web tools sounds excellent and if they are platform independent and not browser centric it might be a winner though huge mashups scare me.. >>> It has Windows and Mac versions. You can develop platform independent web sites using Prepros App's MS Windows version. I have got this sample "Responsive Grids With Susy" ( http://net.tutsplus.com/tutorials/html-css-techniques/responsive-grids-with-susy/ )?preprocessed with Prepros App successfully on my Win8 PC. It's a real time-saver when you can edit your web site front-end html, css, javascript, SCSS, Haml, .... files and as soon as you save your edits preprocessing/converting starts: ? ?- .scss->.css, . ? ?- haml->html, ? ?- javascript and .css files concatenation and minimization, ? ?- images optimization etc. ? and then you get your browser "automagically" refreshed. WebStorm from JetBrains has some of the similar development support features, even MS WebMatrix has them ( http://www.microsoft.com/web/post/how-to-use-sass-css-in-webmatrix ) still Prepros seems to have the most complete set of feature if I'm not mistaken. Thank you. -- Shamil Thursday, January 9, 2014 11:02 AM -07:00 from Jim Lawrence : >Hi Shamil: > >That is a great list of frameworks. It has taken a while to get enough time to review each. The Prepros set of web tools sounds excellent and if they are platform independent and not browser centric it might be a winner though huge mashups scare me...like DNN which have so much convoluted code that any serious issues can take days to resolve...and the performance speeds can be a concern. > >There are so many great frameworks out there it is difficult to decide which is best and how these frameworks will co-exist as building a site may require many. Then trying to discover the order in which to start the packages up and searching out the inevitable conflicts can consume an afternoon or come as a surprise sometime later...after being deployed. > >I am of a mind that it is hard to tell whether these codekits and frameworks are a curse or a blessing. ;-) > >Most recently, I have been playing with the following webkit as it seems fairly simple to get started. It is described as an introduction to HTML5 desktop apps With Node-Webkit and you might also find this kit has potential. > >http://net.tutsplus.com/tutorials/javascript-ajax/introduction-to-html5-desktop-apps-with-node-webkit/ > >Jim > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" < mcp2004 at mail.ru > >To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" < dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com > >Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2014 7:52:01 AM >Subject: [dba-Tech] FYI: PrePros - an awesome Web design and development tool... > >?Hi All > >Looking for something like CodeKit (Apple) but for MW Windows I have got at Prepros' web site:? http://alphapixels.com/prepros/ ?. > >?"Prepros is a web design & developement tool that does all the heavy lifting needed to preprocess, optimize and test your sites and keeps your workflow supercharged." > >I've got purchased a Pro license of the subject tool and I've started to use it in my learning of all the "hot" web dev technologies/tools, such as SASS, Haml, CoffeScript, TypeScript,... ? ?So far ?I like it a lot. > >AFAIS from setup files PrePros is developed using node.js and Ruby (on Rails) as well as using some other technologies I'm unaware of. > >See also: >http://codepen.io/ >http://livereload.com/ >http://incident57.com/codekit/ >http://compass-style.org/ >http://mhs.github.io/scout-app/ >http://compass.kkbox.com/ >http://fireapp.kkbox.com/ >http://learnboost.github.io/stylus/ >... >{{ please add you links to similar technologies and tools and post back }} > >-- >???????????? ?????? >_______________________________________________ -- ???????????? ?????? _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Fri Jan 10 19:29:22 2014 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2014 18:29:22 -0700 (MST) Subject: [dba-Tech] FYI: http://dowebsitesneedtolookexactlythesameineverybrowser.com/ :) In-Reply-To: <1389296843.632427492@f279.i.mail.ru> Message-ID: <1701726827.117859701.1389403762336.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi Shamil: :-) Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Thursday, January 9, 2014 11:47:23 AM Subject: [dba-Tech] FYI: http://dowebsitesneedtolookexactlythesameineverybrowser.com/ :) Hi All -- FYI:? http://dowebsitesneedtolookexactlythesameineverybrowser.com/ ?:) -- ???????????? ?????? _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Fri Jan 10 19:33:32 2014 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2014 18:33:32 -0700 (MST) Subject: [dba-Tech] FYI: After A Troubled 2013, The PC Market Looks For Stability In-Reply-To: <1389369262.566633159@f363.i.mail.ru> Message-ID: <1320368803.117862336.1389404012772.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi Shamil: They are right...I doubt whether PCs are going anywhere. The PC may never have the complete dominance it use to have in the market but businesses just can not do without them. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Friday, January 10, 2014 7:54:22 AM Subject: [dba-Tech] FYI: After A Troubled 2013, The PC Market Looks For Stability Hi All - FYI: ?" After A Troubled 2013, The PC Market Looks For Stability" http://techcrunch.com/2014/01/09/after-a-troubled-2013-the-pc-market-looks-for-stability/ -- ???????????? ?????? _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Fri Jan 10 19:40:21 2014 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2014 18:40:21 -0700 (MST) Subject: [dba-Tech] "Who's right, Gartner or Kantar Worldpanel ComTech?" In-Reply-To: <1389369542.23919493@f363.i.mail.ru> Message-ID: <1291192832.117866852.1389404421811.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi Shamil: Windows is not going to be wiped out. The leaving of Ballmer, and his take it or leave it attitudes, guaranteed that. Now it seems that Microsoft is trying to position itself to run off any browser...I may not have to use the Windows platform as before but if they start listening to their public it may again be a worthy option...just another distro. ;-) Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Friday, January 10, 2014 7:59:02 AM Subject: [dba-Tech] "Who's right, Gartner or Kantar Worldpanel ComTech?" Hi All -- FYI: "Who's right, Gartner or Kantar Worldpanel ComTech?" http://blogs.computerworld.com/windows/23376/windows-isnt-dead-expect-growth-nearly-30-over-two-years -- ???????????? ?????? _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Fri Jan 10 19:54:50 2014 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2014 18:54:50 -0700 (MST) Subject: [dba-Tech] FYI: PrePros - an awesome Web design and development tool... In-Reply-To: <1389370933.13752321@f152.i.mail.ru> Message-ID: <205142861.117877033.1389405290231.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi Shamil: That is any excellent job. Have you posted/hosted the result on your website yet? (Are you using IIS or Apache?) If the package can make a real invoicing entry page and with all the appropriate database attachments, I will be looking very seriously as I have to migrate to just such an application with the next two months. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Friday, January 10, 2014 8:22:13 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] FYI: PrePros - an awesome Web design and development tool... HI Jim et all -- Have a look I have published a sketch/draft tutorial on using Prepros App and Susy (SASS + Compass) here:? https://github.com/ShamilS/Prepros-Docs/blob/susy_and_compass/contents/sass-compass-susy.md ?(I was asked for a tip from Prepros App developer Subash Pathak ?as he is obviously overloaded with a lot of other urgent tasks. I'm too :) But IMO Prepros App is a real masterpiece - so I haven't found how to escape a temptation to add my two cents to it :)) Thank you. -- Shamil Thursday, January 9, 2014 11:27 PM +04:00 from Salakhetdinov Shamil : >Hi Jim -- > >Yes, Net Tuts+ is a great site - I'm planning to get their premium subscription - they have a lot of very useful web development video-tutorials. >As for PHPStorm - AFAIK it's from JetBrains and they also have WebStorm ( http://www.jetbrains.com/webstorm/whatsnew/ ) - this one supports node.js development to name a few... > >As for the web development frameworks/meta-languages(preprocessors) - IMO the most stable ones in their current versions are more blessing than a curse ;) - and ?it would be useful to get here listed a 'minimum minimorum' of the following ones :) > >- CSS3/SASS: ?Compass (Susy, ?..), Stylus, ... >- HTML5: ? ? ? ? ? Haml, Jade, Markdown, Slim ... >- JavaScript: ? ? CoffeScript, TypeScript, DART, jQuery, Modernizr, AngularJS, KnockoutJS, ...., Backbone, RequireJS? >- Python: ? ? ? ? ? ?Django >... >{{ please add you links to similar technologies and tools and post back }} > > ><<< >The Prepros set of web tools sounds excellent and if they are platform independent and not browser centric it might be a winner though huge mashups scare me.. >>>> >It has Windows and Mac versions. You can develop platform independent web sites using Prepros App's MS Windows version. I have got this sample "Responsive Grids With Susy" ( http://net.tutsplus.com/tutorials/html-css-techniques/responsive-grids-with-susy/ )?preprocessed with Prepros App successfully on my Win8 PC. It's a real time-saver when you can edit your web site front-end html, css, javascript, SCSS, Haml, .... files and as soon as you save your edits preprocessing/converting starts: > >? ?- .scss->.css, . >? ?- haml->html, >? ?- javascript and .css files concatenation and minimization, >? ?- images optimization etc. ? > >and then you get your browser "automagically" refreshed. > >WebStorm from JetBrains has some of the similar development support features, even MS WebMatrix has them ( http://www.microsoft.com/web/post/how-to-use-sass-css-in-webmatrix ) still Prepros seems to have the most complete set of feature if I'm not mistaken. > > >Thank you. > >-- Shamil > >Thursday, January 9, 2014 11:02 AM -07:00 from Jim Lawrence < accessd at shaw.ca >: >>Hi Shamil: >> >>That is a great list of frameworks. It has taken a while to get enough time to review each. The Prepros set of web tools sounds excellent and if they are platform independent and not browser centric it might be a winner though huge mashups scare me...like DNN which have so much convoluted code that any serious issues can take days to resolve...and the performance speeds can be a concern. >> >>There are so many great frameworks out there it is difficult to decide which is best and how these frameworks will co-exist as building a site may require many. Then trying to discover the order in which to start the packages up and searching out the inevitable conflicts can consume an afternoon or come as a surprise sometime later...after being deployed. >> >>I am of a mind that it is hard to tell whether these codekits and frameworks are a curse or a blessing. ;-) >> >>Most recently, I have been playing with the following webkit as it seems fairly simple to get started. It is described as an introduction to HTML5 desktop apps With Node-Webkit and you might also find this kit has potential. >> >> http://net.tutsplus.com/tutorials/javascript-ajax/introduction-to-html5-desktop-apps-with-node-webkit/ >> >>Jim >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" < mcp2004 at mail.ru > >>To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" < dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com > >>Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2014 7:52:01 AM >>Subject: [dba-Tech] FYI: PrePros - an awesome Web design and development tool... >> >>?Hi All >> >>Looking for something like CodeKit (Apple) but for MW Windows I have got at Prepros' web site:? http://alphapixels.com/prepros/ ?. >> >>?"Prepros is a web design & developement tool that does all the heavy lifting needed to preprocess, optimize and test your sites and keeps your workflow supercharged." >> >>I've got purchased a Pro license of the subject tool and I've started to use it in my learning of all the "hot" web dev technologies/tools, such as SASS, Haml, CoffeScript, TypeScript,... ? ?So far ?I like it a lot. >> >>AFAIS from setup files PrePros is developed using node.js and Ruby (on Rails) as well as using some other technologies I'm unaware of. >> >>See also: >> http://codepen.io/ >> http://livereload.com/ >> http://incident57.com/codekit/ >> http://compass-style.org/ >> http://mhs.github.io/scout-app/ >> http://compass.kkbox.com/ >> http://fireapp.kkbox.com/ >> http://learnboost.github.io/stylus/ >>... >>{{ please add you links to similar technologies and tools and post back }} >> >>--? _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From mcp2004 at mail.ru Sat Jan 11 01:56:25 2014 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2014 11:56:25 +0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?FYI=3A_PrePros_-_an_awesome_Web_design_and_d?= =?utf-8?q?evelopment_tool=2E=2E=2E?= In-Reply-To: <205142861.117877033.1389405290231.JavaMail.root@cds002> References: <1389370933.13752321@f152.i.mail.ru> <205142861.117877033.1389405290231.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: <1389426985.287284196@f376.i.mail.ru> Hi Jim -- This is just a sample you can find here:? http://net.tutsplus.com/tutorials/html-css-techniques/responsive-grids-with-susy/ As for my tests - I have put the above sample files here http://sms-web.biz/susy_sample/ ?for a few days (this is IIS on parking.ru hosting) - try it. Thank you. -- Shamil Friday, January 10, 2014 6:54 PM -07:00 from Jim Lawrence : >Hi Shamil: > >That is any excellent job. Have you posted/hosted the result on your website yet? (Are you using IIS or Apache?) > >If the package can make a real invoicing entry page and with all the appropriate database attachments, I will be looking very seriously as I have to migrate to just such an application with the next two months. > >Jim <<< skipped >>> > From gustav at cactus.dk Sat Jan 11 02:48:19 2014 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2014 09:48:19 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] "Back to the Future" :) Message-ID: Hi Shamil We have used it at a lawyer's office where they had to run an antique DOS based ERP application. Attaching drives and printers was quite easy, I recall. /gustav >>> mcp2004 at mail.ru 10-01-14 21:59 >>> Hi All -- FYI: http://www.dosbox.com/wiki/Main_Page http://www.dosbox.com/information.php?page=0 "How to run old but awesome games from the 90s on your new computer with DOSBox" http://www.hanselman.com/blog/HowToRunOldButAwesomeGamesFromThe90sOnYourNewComputerWithDOSBox.aspx -- From accessd at shaw.ca Sat Jan 11 14:38:31 2014 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2014 13:38:31 -0700 (MST) Subject: [dba-Tech] FYI: PrePros - an awesome Web design and development tool... In-Reply-To: <1389426985.287284196@f376.i.mail.ru> Message-ID: <782625441.118388826.1389472711806.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi Shamil: This looks really nice. What I am interested is more than layout but functionality. To that end I am working to build a fully operational invoicing system. Find attached a link to crude basic example but it is very fast and may be, when fully decked out, with all attached tables and numerous other required componenets, good enough for a real-time invoicing system: http://metaware.github.io/angular-invoicing Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Friday, January 10, 2014 11:56:25 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] FYI: PrePros - an awesome Web design and development tool... Hi Jim -- This is just a sample you can find here:? http://net.tutsplus.com/tutorials/html-css-techniques/responsive-grids-with-susy/ As for my tests - I have put the above sample files here http://sms-web.biz/susy_sample/ ?for a few days (this is IIS on parking.ru hosting) - try it. Thank you. -- Shamil Friday, January 10, 2014 6:54 PM -07:00 from Jim Lawrence : >Hi Shamil: > >That is any excellent job. Have you posted/hosted the result on your website yet? (Are you using IIS or Apache?) > >If the package can make a real invoicing entry page and with all the appropriate database attachments, I will be looking very seriously as I have to migrate to just such an application with the next two months. > >Jim <<< skipped >>> > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From mcp2004 at mail.ru Sat Jan 11 15:19:50 2014 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2014 01:19:50 +0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?FYI=3A_PrePros_-_an_awesome_Web_design_and_d?= =?utf-8?q?evelopment_tool=2E=2E=2E?= In-Reply-To: <782625441.118388826.1389472711806.JavaMail.root@cds002> References: <1389426985.287284196@f376.i.mail.ru> <782625441.118388826.1389472711806.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: <1389475190.682583400@f144.i.mail.ru> HI Jim -- Yes, your AngularJS crude basic sample is looking good but it doesn't adapt to the media it used on (just checked it on WinPhone). Anybody who will?interbreed http://metaware.github.io/angular-invoicing with http://net.tutsplus.com/tutorials/html-css-techniques/responsive-grids-with-susy/ ?( http://sms-web.biz/susy_sample/ ?) will "thwart jackpot" ?in responsive user-friendly intuitive web design :) Thank you. -- Shamil Saturday, January 11, 2014 1:38 PM -07:00 from Jim Lawrence : >Hi Shamil: > >This looks really nice. > >What I am interested is more than layout but functionality. To that end I am working to build a fully operational invoicing system. Find attached a link to crude basic example but it is very fast and may be, when fully decked out, with all attached tables and numerous other required componenets, good enough for a real-time invoicing system: > >http://metaware.github.io/angular-invoicing > >Jim > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" < mcp2004 at mail.ru > >To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" < dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com > >Sent: Friday, January 10, 2014 11:56:25 PM >Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] FYI: PrePros - an awesome Web design and development tool... > >?Hi Jim -- > >This is just a sample you can find here:? http://net.tutsplus.com/tutorials/html-css-techniques/responsive-grids-with-susy/ > >As for my tests - I have put the above sample files here http://sms-web.biz/susy_sample/ ?for a few days (this is IIS on parking.ru hosting) - try it. > >Thank you. > >-- Shamil > > >Friday, January 10, 2014 6:54 PM -07:00 from Jim Lawrence < accessd at shaw.ca >: >>Hi Shamil: >> >>That is any excellent job. Have you posted/hosted the result on your website yet? (Are you using IIS or Apache?) >> >>If the package can make a real invoicing entry page and with all the appropriate database attachments, I will be looking very seriously as I have to migrate to just such an application with the next two months. >> >>Jim > ><<< skipped >>> >> >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- ???????????? ?????? From accessd at shaw.ca Sat Jan 11 21:56:16 2014 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2014 20:56:16 -0700 (MST) Subject: [dba-Tech] FYI: PrePros - an awesome Web design and development tool... In-Reply-To: <1389475190.682583400@f144.i.mail.ru> Message-ID: <374810956.118594942.1389498976698.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi Shamil: That is an issue. Having a responsive website design which adapts to which device is being used can be complicated as it is not just as simple as device sensitive design. Allowing the page to flex to the screen real estate is just the starting point: https://developers.google.com/webmasters/smartphone-sites/details Then next there is features like gestures that should be added; check out the following library: http://eightmedia.github.io/hammer.js/ http://eightmedia.github.io/hammer.js/examples/events.html PS: interbreed = ??? Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2014 1:19:50 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] FYI: PrePros - an awesome Web design and development tool... HI Jim -- Yes, your AngularJS crude basic sample is looking good but it doesn't adapt to the media it used on (just checked it on WinPhone). Anybody who will?interbreed http://metaware.github.io/angular-invoicing with http://net.tutsplus.com/tutorials/html-css-techniques/responsive-grids-with-susy/ ?( http://sms-web.biz/susy_sample/ ?) will "thwart jackpot" ?in responsive user-friendly intuitive web design :) Thank you. -- Shamil Saturday, January 11, 2014 1:38 PM -07:00 from Jim Lawrence : >Hi Shamil: > >This looks really nice. > >What I am interested is more than layout but functionality. To that end I am working to build a fully operational invoicing system. Find attached a link to crude basic example but it is very fast and may be, when fully decked out, with all attached tables and numerous other required componenets, good enough for a real-time invoicing system: > >http://metaware.github.io/angular-invoicing > >Jim > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" < mcp2004 at mail.ru > >To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" < dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com > >Sent: Friday, January 10, 2014 11:56:25 PM >Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] FYI: PrePros - an awesome Web design and development tool... > >?Hi Jim -- > >This is just a sample you can find here:? http://net.tutsplus.com/tutorials/html-css-techniques/responsive-grids-with-susy/ > >As for my tests - I have put the above sample files here http://sms-web.biz/susy_sample/ ?for a few days (this is IIS on parking.ru hosting) - try it. > >Thank you. > >-- Shamil > > >Friday, January 10, 2014 6:54 PM -07:00 from Jim Lawrence < accessd at shaw.ca >: >>Hi Shamil: >> >>That is any excellent job. Have you posted/hosted the result on your website yet? (Are you using IIS or Apache?) >> >>If the package can make a real invoicing entry page and with all the appropriate database attachments, I will be looking very seriously as I have to migrate to just such an application with the next two months. >> >>Jim > ><<< skipped >>> >> >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- ???????????? ?????? _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From mcp2004 at mail.ru Sun Jan 12 07:51:02 2014 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2014 17:51:02 +0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?FYI=3A_PrePros_-_an_awesome_Web_design_and_d?= =?utf-8?q?evelopment_tool=2E=2E=2E?= In-Reply-To: <374810956.118594942.1389498976698.JavaMail.root@cds002> References: <1389475190.682583400@f144.i.mail.ru> <374810956.118594942.1389498976698.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: <1389534662.847409030@f308.i.mail.ru> Hi Jim -- Yes, I have missed it, gestures support should be added, although a few basic ones should be enough for starters IMO otherwise you risk to have never get started your RWD(Responsive Web Design)-development (ad)ventures: hammer.js you referred looks like a good choice for gestures support Javascript framework.? So the "three pillars" (minimal minimorum set) for the development of the modern HTML based user interfaces/RWD could be selected as the following: - 1) "fluid layouts": SUSY (SASS, Compass); - 2) data biding: AngularJS; - 3) UXD - User Experience Design: modernizr.js + jQuery + hammer.js Of course one can propose many other combinations of the above "three pillars" but it's time to make a decision :) >? https://developers.google.com/webmasters/smartphone-sites/details Good source, although it doesn't support RWD :) Neither Apple.com does. ?And microsoft.com, msdn.com, android.com, yahoo.com,... do support RWD... > interbreed = ??? Sorry for my English: crossbreed, hybrid - would that be more appropriate?? Thank you. -- Shamil Saturday, January 11, 2014 8:56 PM -07:00 from Jim Lawrence : >Hi Shamil: > >That is an issue. > >Having a responsive website design which adapts to which device is being used can be complicated as it is not just as simple as device sensitive design. Allowing the page to flex to the screen real estate is just the starting point: > >https://developers.google.com/webmasters/smartphone-sites/details >? >Then next there is features like gestures that should be added; check out the following library: > >http://eightmedia.github.io/hammer.js/ >http://eightmedia.github.io/hammer.js/examples/events.html > >PS: interbreed = ??? > >Jim >? > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" < mcp2004 at mail.ru > >To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" < dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com > >Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2014 1:19:50 PM >Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] FYI: PrePros - an awesome Web design and development tool... > >?HI Jim -- > >Yes, your AngularJS crude basic sample is looking good but it doesn't adapt to the media it used on (just checked it on WinPhone). >Anybody who will?interbreed > >http://metaware.github.io/angular-invoicing > >with > >http://net.tutsplus.com/tutorials/html-css-techniques/responsive-grids-with-susy/ ?( http://sms-web.biz/susy_sample/ ?) > >will "thwart jackpot" ?in responsive user-friendly intuitive web design :) > >Thank you. > >-- Shamil > >Saturday, January 11, 2014 1:38 PM -07:00 from Jim Lawrence < accessd at shaw.ca >: >>Hi Shamil: >> >>This looks really nice. >> >>What I am interested is more than layout but functionality. To that end I am working to build a fully operational invoicing system. Find attached a link to crude basic example but it is very fast and may be, when fully decked out, with all attached tables and numerous other required componenets, good enough for a real-time invoicing system: >> >> http://metaware.github.io/angular-invoicing >> >>Jim >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" < mcp2004 at mail.ru > >>To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" < dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com > >>Sent: Friday, January 10, 2014 11:56:25 PM >>Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] FYI: PrePros - an awesome Web design and development tool... >> >>?Hi Jim -- >> >>This is just a sample you can find here:? http://net.tutsplus.com/tutorials/html-css-techniques/responsive-grids-with-susy/ >> >>As for my tests - I have put the above sample files here http://sms-web.biz/susy_sample/ ?for a few days (this is IIS on parking.ru hosting) - try it. >> >>Thank you. >> >>-- Shamil >> >> >>Friday, January 10, 2014 6:54 PM -07:00 from Jim Lawrence < accessd at shaw.ca >: >>>Hi Shamil: >>> >>>That is any excellent job. Have you posted/hosted the result on your website yet? (Are you using IIS or Apache?) >>> >>>If the package can make a real invoicing entry page and with all the appropriate database attachments, I will be looking very seriously as I have to migrate to just such an application with the next two months. >>> >>>Jim >> >><<< skipped >>> >>> >>_______________________________________________ >>dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >>_______________________________________________ >>dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > >-- >???????????? ?????? >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- ???????????? ?????? From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sun Jan 12 12:14:23 2014 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2014 13:14:23 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] "Back to the Future" :) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I haven't played a video game in decades, unless chess.com counts. But way back when I was addicted to a game called Defender. Arthur From mcp2004 at mail.ru Sun Jan 12 13:15:53 2014 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2014 23:15:53 +0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?Amazing_Software_Solutions=3A_Embedded_Web_S?= =?utf-8?q?erver_on_a_key_ring_USB_stick?= Message-ID: <1389554153.539128768@f391.i.mail.ru> Hi All -- I have accidentally got at the subject while looking for some jQuery/Javascript usage scenarios: ? http://appwebserver.org/solutions/keyring.html The subject is just one of many possible applications for Appweb Web Server -? http://appwebserver.org/index.html See also:? http://embedthis.github.io/ https://github.com/embedthis/appweb-4 -- ???????????? ?????? From accessd at shaw.ca Sun Jan 12 13:41:19 2014 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2014 12:41:19 -0700 (MST) Subject: [dba-Tech] FYI: PrePros - an awesome Web design and development tool... In-Reply-To: <1389534662.847409030@f308.i.mail.ru> Message-ID: <1137015370.118950173.1389555679946.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi Shamil: I think that "fluid layouts" as just the start to whole task of building responsive web designs. It is much more complex than that. The person that could really articulate on this subject would be Hans as he works and manages in these environments commercially and daily...but he will be offline for a bit...it seems he is a new father. Here is a interesting link to RWD implementation that you might find interesting and informative (tutorials): http://www.hongkiat.com/blog/responsive-web-tutorials/ I think AngularJS is a great package for building input and storing data locally. But at this point it becomes extremely difficult as there are so many great frameworks, webkits and plugin that will allow anyone to create virtually any number of great user experiences. The problem I see is that there are too many choices. The first selector has to be universality. That should eliminate about a dozen from the hundred or so options. There there is the BE and that can extend from any set of databases, from the standards to Node.JS. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2014 5:51:02 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] FYI: PrePros - an awesome Web design and development tool... Hi Jim -- Yes, I have missed it, gestures support should be added, although a few basic ones should be enough for starters IMO otherwise you risk to have never get started your RWD(Responsive Web Design)-development (ad)ventures: hammer.js you referred looks like a good choice for gestures support Javascript framework.? So the "three pillars" (minimal minimorum set) for the development of the modern HTML based user interfaces/RWD could be selected as the following: - 1) "fluid layouts": SUSY (SASS, Compass); - 2) data biding: AngularJS; - 3) UXD - User Experience Design: modernizr.js + jQuery + hammer.js Of course one can propose many other combinations of the above "three pillars" but it's time to make a decision :) >? https://developers.google.com/webmasters/smartphone-sites/details Good source, although it doesn't support RWD :) Neither Apple.com does. ?And microsoft.com, msdn.com, android.com, yahoo.com,... do support RWD... > interbreed = ??? Sorry for my English: crossbreed, hybrid - would that be more appropriate?? Thank you. -- Shamil Saturday, January 11, 2014 8:56 PM -07:00 from Jim Lawrence : >Hi Shamil: > >That is an issue. > >Having a responsive website design which adapts to which device is being used can be complicated as it is not just as simple as device sensitive design. Allowing the page to flex to the screen real estate is just the starting point: > >https://developers.google.com/webmasters/smartphone-sites/details >? >Then next there is features like gestures that should be added; check out the following library: > >http://eightmedia.github.io/hammer.js/ >http://eightmedia.github.io/hammer.js/examples/events.html > >PS: interbreed = ??? > >Jim >? > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" < mcp2004 at mail.ru > >To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" < dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com > >Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2014 1:19:50 PM >Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] FYI: PrePros - an awesome Web design and development tool... > >?HI Jim -- > >Yes, your AngularJS crude basic sample is looking good but it doesn't adapt to the media it used on (just checked it on WinPhone). >Anybody who will?interbreed > >http://metaware.github.io/angular-invoicing > >with > >http://net.tutsplus.com/tutorials/html-css-techniques/responsive-grids-with-susy/ ?( http://sms-web.biz/susy_sample/ ?) > >will "thwart jackpot" ?in responsive user-friendly intuitive web design :) > >Thank you. > >-- Shamil > >Saturday, January 11, 2014 1:38 PM -07:00 from Jim Lawrence < accessd at shaw.ca >: >>Hi Shamil: >> >>This looks really nice. >> >>What I am interested is more than layout but functionality. To that end I am working to build a fully operational invoicing system. Find attached a link to crude basic example but it is very fast and may be, when fully decked out, with all attached tables and numerous other required componenets, good enough for a real-time invoicing system: >> >> http://metaware.github.io/angular-invoicing >> >>Jim >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" < mcp2004 at mail.ru > >>To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" < dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com > >>Sent: Friday, January 10, 2014 11:56:25 PM >>Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] FYI: PrePros - an awesome Web design and development tool... >> >>?Hi Jim -- >> >>This is just a sample you can find here:? http://net.tutsplus.com/tutorials/html-css-techniques/responsive-grids-with-susy/ >> >>As for my tests - I have put the above sample files here http://sms-web.biz/susy_sample/ ?for a few days (this is IIS on parking.ru hosting) - try it. >> >>Thank you. >> >>-- Shamil >> >> >>Friday, January 10, 2014 6:54 PM -07:00 from Jim Lawrence < accessd at shaw.ca >: >>>Hi Shamil: >>> >>>That is any excellent job. Have you posted/hosted the result on your website yet? (Are you using IIS or Apache?) >>> >>>If the package can make a real invoicing entry page and with all the appropriate database attachments, I will be looking very seriously as I have to migrate to just such an application with the next two months. >>> >>>Jim >> >><<< skipped >>> >>> >>_______________________________________________ >>dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >>_______________________________________________ >>dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > >-- >???????????? ?????? >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- ???????????? ?????? _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From mcp2004 at mail.ru Sun Jan 12 17:10:19 2014 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2014 03:10:19 +0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?FYI=3A_PrePros_-_an_awesome_Web_design_and_d?= =?utf-8?q?evelopment_tool=2E=2E=2E?= In-Reply-To: <1137015370.118950173.1389555679946.JavaMail.root@cds002> References: <1389534662.847409030@f308.i.mail.ru> <1137015370.118950173.1389555679946.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: <1389568219.420612045@f352.i.mail.ru> Hi Jim -- That is great set of tutorials on RWD. Thank you. Yes, Hans advises would be very helpful but waiting for them would be a procrastination. Let's hope Hans will find some time to get here from his everyday work and personal duties. Applying Pareto Principle/80-20 rule to the RWD meta-languages/frameworks selection I'd suppose my proposed "minimum minimorum" set is good enough. I mean if I will need some other meta-languages/frameworks/tools for RWD that would be used in 20% of my RWD development cases, probably less. As I have already noted it's time to make decision. And to start ascending the learning curve, which promise to be quite steep. <<< There there is the BE and that can extend from any set of databases, from the standards to Node.JS. >>> I didn't talk about it here as I currently prefer/know ASP.NET/C# and MS SQL for back-end/server side. I doubt I will have any time to learn and apply in real life projects other backend technologies in the near future (this year). If I'd have time(read: 48 hours long day and enough strength/non-tired brain cells to keep working during half of that 48 hours long day ?:) ) ?I'd consider to learn/use also for real life apps/web solutions the following technologies: - Ubuntu/Linux; - node.js, Python, PHP ; - MySql/MariaDB, PostgreSQL; And NoSQL should also be taken into consideration - my "primary selection list" is the following: - Hadoop, MongoDB, CouchDB, Amazon DynamoDB. Thank you. -- Shamil P.S. I have tried to post a reply to you here three times - it was bounced because of total text length, even when most of quoted text was trimmed. I have trimmed all of the quoted text now. Let's see how this text will be posted.... From gustav at cactus.dk Mon Jan 13 07:24:43 2014 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2014 14:24:43 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] No more MSE for Windows XP Message-ID: <00ee01cf1062$d2393e40$76abbac0$@cactus.dk> Hi all What would your recommendation for a (free) replacement be? "As a result, after April 8, 2014, technical assistance for Windows XP will no longer be available, including automatic updates that help protect your PC. Microsoft will also stop providing Microsoft Security Essentials for download on Windows XP on this date." http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/end-support-help I once used a German tool (Avir?) but it was very annoying with full-screen popups asking you to buy a license - turning itself into a marketing virus. MSE was a breeze to install on such machines. /gustav From mcp2004 at mail.ru Mon Jan 13 10:09:48 2014 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2014 20:09:48 +0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?No_more_MSE_for_Windows_XP?= In-Reply-To: <00ee01cf1062$d2393e40$76abbac0$@cactus.dk> References: <00ee01cf1062$d2393e40$76abbac0$@cactus.dk> Message-ID: <1389629388.425652422@f53.i.mail.ru> Hi Gustav -- I'm using licensed NOD32 for quite some time and it works well for me - here is your country representatives' web site -? http://www.eset.dk/ . And on this page in the bottom you can find comparison on different anti-virus tools? http://www.eset.dk/produkter/eset-nod32-antivirus/ -- Shamil Monday, January 13, 2014 2:24 PM +01:00 from "Gustav Brock" : >Hi all > >What would your recommendation for a (free) replacement be? > >"As a result, after April 8, 2014, technical assistance for Windows XP will no longer be available, including automatic updates that help protect your PC. Microsoft will also stop providing Microsoft Security Essentials for download on Windows XP on this date." >? >http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/end-support-help > >I once used a German tool (Avir?) but it was very annoying with full-screen popups asking you to buy a license - turning itself into a marketing virus. MSE was a breeze to install on such machines. > >/gustav > From peter.brawley at earthlink.net Mon Jan 13 11:21:46 2014 From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley) Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2014 11:21:46 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] No more MSE for Windows XP In-Reply-To: <00ee01cf1062$d2393e40$76abbac0$@cactus.dk> References: <00ee01cf1062$d2393e40$76abbac0$@cactus.dk> Message-ID: <52D420AA.1030600@earthlink.net> On 2014-01-13 7:24 AM, Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi all > > What would your recommendation for a (free) replacement be? Avast works well everywhere I've installed it. PB ----- > > "As a result, after April 8, 2014, technical assistance for Windows XP will no longer be available, including automatic updates that help protect your PC. Microsoft will also stop providing Microsoft Security Essentials for download on Windows XP on this date." > > http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/end-support-help > > I once used a German tool (Avir?) but it was very annoying with full-screen popups asking you to buy a license - turning itself into a marketing virus. MSE was a breeze to install on such machines. > > /gustav > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From fuller.artful at gmail.com Mon Jan 13 11:50:17 2014 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2014 12:50:17 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Crapware Message-ID: Somwhore I have been inf*cted with all this crapware such as MyPCBackup and a few others which bother me with messages about upgrading. I'm running Windows 8.1 and so far have not been able to locate these softwares and unnstall them. Even Chrome seems to be compromised. I click on some button and suddenly get a popup from somewhere I do not recognize. What should I do? Just reformat the disks and re-install? This is driving me nuts. Maybe it's time to complete the move to Linux and just say goodbye to all this crap. Since I'm semi-retired now, I have no daily reason to run Windows, so I could complete the move to Linux and run a Windows VM inside VirtualBox when required. The box in question is a Dell Inspiron with 8GB RAM and 1TB hard disk and a few USB attachments, and currently running Windows 8.1. I don't know what I did that installed all this crapware and it used to be simple to un-install software but I'm having trouble even finding the apps in question. Any suggestions? -- Arthur From garykjos at gmail.com Mon Jan 13 12:00:11 2014 From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2014 12:00:11 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Crapware In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4utP5d5CWrM On Mon, Jan 13, 2014 at 11:50 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > Somwhore I have been inf*cted with all this crapware such as MyPCBackup and > a few others which bother me with messages about upgrading. I'm running > Windows 8.1 and so far have not been able to locate these softwares and > unnstall them. Even Chrome seems to be compromised. I click on some button > and suddenly get a popup from somewhere I do not recognize. What should I > do? Just reformat the disks and re-install? This is driving me nuts. Maybe > it's time to complete the move to Linux and just say goodbye to all this > crap. > > Since I'm semi-retired now, I have no daily reason to run Windows, so I > could complete the move to Linux and run a Windows VM inside VirtualBox > when required. > > The box in question is a Dell Inspiron with 8GB RAM and 1TB hard disk and a > few USB attachments, and currently running Windows 8.1. I don't know what I > did that installed all this crapware and it used to be simple to un-install > software but I'm having trouble even finding the apps in question. > > Any suggestions? > > -- > Arthur > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com From garykjos at gmail.com Mon Jan 13 12:05:43 2014 From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2014 12:05:43 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Crapware In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.theguardian.com/technology/askjack/2013/oct/31/windows-pups-potentially-unwanted-programs-pc-uninstall < http://www.theguardian.com/technology/askjack/2013/oct/31/windows-pups-potentially-unwanted-programs-pc-uninstall > On Mon, Jan 13, 2014 at 11:50 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > Somwhore I have been inf*cted with all this crapware such as MyPCBackup and > a few others which bother me with messages about upgrading. I'm running > Windows 8.1 and so far have not been able to locate these softwares and > unnstall them. Even Chrome seems to be compromised. I click on some button > and suddenly get a popup from somewhere I do not recognize. What should I > do? Just reformat the disks and re-install? This is driving me nuts. Maybe > it's time to complete the move to Linux and just say goodbye to all this > crap. > > Since I'm semi-retired now, I have no daily reason to run Windows, so I > could complete the move to Linux and run a Windows VM inside VirtualBox > when required. > > The box in question is a Dell Inspiron with 8GB RAM and 1TB hard disk and a > few USB attachments, and currently running Windows 8.1. I don't know what I > did that installed all this crapware and it used to be simple to un-install > software but I'm having trouble even finding the apps in question. > > Any suggestions? > > -- > Arthur > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com From gustav at cactus.dk Mon Jan 13 12:10:20 2014 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2014 19:10:20 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Crapware Message-ID: <018b01cf108a$b8c87570$2a596050$@cactus.dk> Hi Arthur Try TrojanHunter and/or MallwareBytes and Vipre. /gustav -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Arthur Fuller Sendt: 13. januar 2014 18:50 Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Emne: [dba-Tech] Crapware Somwhore I have been inf*cted with all this crapware such as MyPCBackup and a few others which bother me with messages about upgrading. I'm running Windows 8.1 and so far have not been able to locate these softwares and unnstall them. Even Chrome seems to be compromised. I click on some button and suddenly get a popup from somewhere I do not recognize. What should I do? Just reformat the disks and re-install? This is driving me nuts. Maybe it's time to complete the move to Linux and just say goodbye to all this crap. Since I'm semi-retired now, I have no daily reason to run Windows, so I could complete the move to Linux and run a Windows VM inside VirtualBox when required. The box in question is a Dell Inspiron with 8GB RAM and 1TB hard disk and a few USB attachments, and currently running Windows 8.1. I don't know what I did that installed all this crapware and it used to be simple to un-install software but I'm having trouble even finding the apps in question. Any suggestions? -- Arthur From garykjos at gmail.com Mon Jan 13 12:13:22 2014 From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2014 12:13:22 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Crapware In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Supposedly the free version of malwarebytes will remove this as stated here http://botcrawl.com/how-to-remove-mypc-backup/ You can get it here http://www.malwarebytes.org On Mon, Jan 13, 2014 at 11:50 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > Somwhore I have been inf*cted with all this crapware such as MyPCBackup and > a few others which bother me with messages about upgrading. I'm running > Windows 8.1 and so far have not been able to locate these softwares and > unnstall them. Even Chrome seems to be compromised. I click on some button > and suddenly get a popup from somewhere I do not recognize. What should I > do? Just reformat the disks and re-install? This is driving me nuts. Maybe > it's time to complete the move to Linux and just say goodbye to all this > crap. > > Since I'm semi-retired now, I have no daily reason to run Windows, so I > could complete the move to Linux and run a Windows VM inside VirtualBox > when required. > > The box in question is a Dell Inspiron with 8GB RAM and 1TB hard disk and a > few USB attachments, and currently running Windows 8.1. I don't know what I > did that installed all this crapware and it used to be simple to un-install > software but I'm having trouble even finding the apps in question. > > Any suggestions? > > -- > Arthur > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Jan 13 12:17:28 2014 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2014 11:17:28 -0700 (MST) Subject: [dba-Tech] FYI: PrePros - an awesome Web design and development tool... In-Reply-To: <1389568219.420612045@f352.i.mail.ru> Message-ID: <1552617083.119747990.1389637048445.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi Shamil: Those posts were getting a little long for sure. That is the truth as you just have to start somewhere...it is always nice to find a client who will pay while you learn. Right now I am in a position to take my time but it is too easy to procrastinate. Everything is Oracle here; in all big businesses and government...almost a closed shop. Aside: There were only a very few MS SQL sites around even though I encourage the powers to be. It ended up with me getting most of my DB work in Oracle...it was a little disappointing but at least it paid. If Oracle was not so established, locally, it may (have) give(n) other database, other than Oracle. Here is an interesting article on the state of databases: http://www.wired.com/wiredenterprise/2014/01/dbengines/ Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Sunday, 12 January, 2014 3:10:19 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] FYI: PrePros - an awesome Web design and development tool... Hi Jim -- That is great set of tutorials on RWD. Thank you. Yes, Hans advises would be very helpful but waiting for them would be a procrastination. Let's hope Hans will find some time to get here from his everyday work and personal duties. Applying Pareto Principle/80-20 rule to the RWD meta-languages/frameworks selection I'd suppose my proposed "minimum minimorum" set is good enough. I mean if I will need some other meta-languages/frameworks/tools for RWD that would be used in 20% of my RWD development cases, probably less. As I have already noted it's time to make decision. And to start ascending the learning curve, which promise to be quite steep. <<< There there is the BE and that can extend from any set of databases, from the standards to Node.JS. >>> I didn't talk about it here as I currently prefer/know ASP.NET/C# and MS SQL for back-end/server side. I doubt I will have any time to learn and apply in real life projects other backend technologies in the near future (this year). If I'd have time(read: 48 hours long day and enough strength/non-tired brain cells to keep working during half of that 48 hours long day ?:) ) ?I'd consider to learn/use also for real life apps/web solutions the following technologies: - Ubuntu/Linux; - node.js, Python, PHP ; - MySql/MariaDB, PostgreSQL; And NoSQL should also be taken into consideration - my "primary selection list" is the following: - Hadoop, MongoDB, CouchDB, Amazon DynamoDB. Thank you. -- Shamil P.S. I have tried to post a reply to you here three times - it was bounced because of total text length, even when most of quoted text was trimmed. I have trimmed all of the quoted text now. Let's see how this text will be posted.... _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Jan 13 12:49:13 2014 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2014 11:49:13 -0700 (MST) Subject: [dba-Tech] No more MSE for Windows XP In-Reply-To: <00ee01cf1062$d2393e40$76abbac0$@cactus.dk> Message-ID: <12542983.119791817.1389638953741.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi Gustav: It seems that companies that are small and businesses that are big (like banks) are holding on to their XP. Small businesses are too poor and big businesses are to cautious to move. Only the middle tier companies have been making moves. If there was a easy migration path to any OS that would be the way most would go. In summary, many hate the new Windows, are scared stiff of Linux and feel Apple is just an over-priced status symbol. What I see is that the market is diversifying. Those staying with Windows are going as far as Windows 7, those that are technically inclined are moving to a safe Linux like Ubuntu, those that can afford it are buying Macs and a many are seriously trying web base their businesses. Of course that still does not answer the question, what platform a web centric business will use. Not working day to day in various business leaves me a little out of the loop. All those I know personally, who are developers, have moved to Apples but are using Linux servers for web work. Those doing hard coding are building application on Linux platforms using C and Java. How the average joe-public is handling this I have no idea but I sense some confusion. If any person ask me for help, you know what my answer will be. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gustav Brock" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Monday, 13 January, 2014 5:24:43 AM Subject: [dba-Tech] No more MSE for Windows XP Hi all What would your recommendation for a (free) replacement be? "As a result, after April 8, 2014, technical assistance for Windows XP will no longer be available, including automatic updates that help protect your PC. Microsoft will also stop providing Microsoft Security Essentials for download on Windows XP on this date." http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/end-support-help I once used a German tool (Avir?) but it was very annoying with full-screen popups asking you to buy a license - turning itself into a marketing virus. MSE was a breeze to install on such machines. /gustav _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Jan 13 13:00:57 2014 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2014 12:00:57 -0700 (MST) Subject: [dba-Tech] Crapware In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1322132977.119805086.1389639657265.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi Arthur: On Chrome there is a setting, in the advanced setting section that allows you to reset the browser. That button will delete all the strange setting and go back to the initial install set. Then you can just add back what you want. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arthur Fuller" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Monday, 13 January, 2014 9:50:17 AM Subject: [dba-Tech] Crapware Somwhore I have been inf*cted with all this crapware such as MyPCBackup and a few others which bother me with messages about upgrading. I'm running Windows 8.1 and so far have not been able to locate these softwares and unnstall them. Even Chrome seems to be compromised. I click on some button and suddenly get a popup from somewhere I do not recognize. What should I do? Just reformat the disks and re-install? This is driving me nuts. Maybe it's time to complete the move to Linux and just say goodbye to all this crap. Since I'm semi-retired now, I have no daily reason to run Windows, so I could complete the move to Linux and run a Windows VM inside VirtualBox when required. The box in question is a Dell Inspiron with 8GB RAM and 1TB hard disk and a few USB attachments, and currently running Windows 8.1. I don't know what I did that installed all this crapware and it used to be simple to un-install software but I'm having trouble even finding the apps in question. Any suggestions? -- Arthur _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Jan 13 13:11:05 2014 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2014 12:11:05 -0700 (MST) Subject: [dba-Tech] Amazing Software Solutions: Embedded Web Server on a key ring USB stick In-Reply-To: <1389554153.539128768@f391.i.mail.ru> Message-ID: <530757764.119817767.1389640265619.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi Shamil: Server side JavaScript that is not Node? Neat. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Sunday, 12 January, 2014 11:15:53 AM Subject: [dba-Tech] Amazing Software Solutions: Embedded Web Server on a key ring USB stick Hi All -- I have accidentally got at the subject while looking for some jQuery/Javascript usage scenarios: ? http://appwebserver.org/solutions/keyring.html The subject is just one of many possible applications for Appweb Web Server -? http://appwebserver.org/index.html See also:? http://embedthis.github.io/ https://github.com/embedthis/appweb-4 -- ???????????? ?????? _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Jan 13 13:16:45 2014 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2014 12:16:45 -0700 (MST) Subject: [dba-Tech] Worldwide telescope update In-Reply-To: <12542983.119791817.1389638953741.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: <1914145191.119825261.1389640605658.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi All: >From Microsoft; this sounds like a great piece of software for those interested in astronomy. http://www.neowin.net/news/worldwide-telescope-updated-with-some-amazing-new-features To download: http://cdn.worldwidetelescope.org/drops/wwtsetup.5.0.3.msi Jim From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Jan 13 13:43:56 2014 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2014 12:43:56 -0700 (MST) Subject: [dba-Tech] A web designer from Google In-Reply-To: <1914145191.119825261.1389640605658.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: <2064725768.119856994.1389642236380.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi All: Google now has a online web designer: http://www.neowin.net/news/google-web-designer-1021210-beta It looks and sounds more like a Flash replacement that is specifically written to create ads, probably for Google. But the price is right and it might be very useful in certain circumstances. Jim From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Jan 13 13:53:53 2014 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2014 12:53:53 -0700 (MST) Subject: [dba-Tech] For your kitchen In-Reply-To: <2064725768.119856994.1389642236380.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: <221368196.119867875.1389642833526.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi All: So you thought Belkin only built routers?...for your kitchen, a crock pot that is fully programmable and can be accessed remotely from your cell phone. (Another toy powered by Linux) ;-) http://www.mnn.com/green-tech/gadgets-electronics/blogs/belkin-cooks-up-a-crock-pot-for-well-connected-kitchens Jim From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Jan 13 18:18:03 2014 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2014 17:18:03 -0700 (MST) Subject: [dba-Tech] The best wireless HDMI In-Reply-To: <2064725768.119856994.1389642236380.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: <1645091270.120155600.1389658683269.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi All: Here is a link to one of the best crowd sourced products on the bench right now: http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/airtame-wireless-hdmi-for-everyone--2 The project has already reached its money goal and is just adding feature and OSs as more investment arrives. Jim From peter.brawley at earthlink.net Mon Jan 13 22:32:22 2014 From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley) Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2014 22:32:22 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] The best wireless HDMI In-Reply-To: <1645091270.120155600.1389658683269.JavaMail.root@cds002> References: <1645091270.120155600.1389658683269.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: <52D4BDD6.3040803@earthlink.net> On 2014-01-13 6:18 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Hi All: > > Here is a link to one of the best crowd sourced products on the bench right now: > > http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/airtame-wireless-hdmi-for-everyone--2 Can't find a spec sheet. How does it compare with Chromecast? PB ----- > > The project has already reached its money goal and is just adding feature and OSs as more investment arrives. > > Jim > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From gustav at cactus.dk Tue Jan 14 01:26:27 2014 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2014 08:26:27 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] The best wireless HDMI Message-ID: <001c01cf10f9$f02dfac0$d089f040$@cactus.dk> Hi Peter Browse about 17 pages down on that VLS (Very Long Site) ... It seems great for video casting, but 1080 pixels horizontal is not much for pc screen sharing these days. I'm sure they plan to extend that someday but better WiFi will be required or a very slow frame rate must be used. /gustav -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Peter Brawley Sendt: 14. januar 2014 05:32 Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] The best wireless HDMI On 2014-01-13 6:18 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Hi All: > > Here is a link to one of the best crowd sourced products on the bench right now: > > http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/airtame-wireless-hdmi-for-everyone--2 Can't find a spec sheet. How does it compare with Chromecast? PB From peter.brawley at earthlink.net Tue Jan 14 11:01:16 2014 From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2014 11:01:16 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] No more MSE for Windows XP In-Reply-To: <12542983.119791817.1389638953741.JavaMail.root@cds002> References: <12542983.119791817.1389638953741.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: <52D56D5C.8020501@earthlink.net> On 2014-01-13 12:49 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Hi Gustav: > > It seems that companies that are small and businesses that are big (like banks) are holding on to their XP. Small businesses are too poor and big businesses are to cautious to move. Only the middle tier companies have been making moves. > > If there was a easy migration path to any OS that would be the way most would go. > > In summary, many hate the new Windows, are scared stiff of Linux and feel Apple is just an over-priced status symbol. What I see is that the market is diversifying. Those staying with Windows are going as far as Windows 7, those that are technically inclined are moving to a safe Linux like Ubuntu, those that can afford it are buying Macs and a many are seriously trying web base their businesses. Of course that still does not answer the question, what platform a web centric business will use. > > Not working day to day in various business leaves me a little out of the loop. All those I know personally, who are developers, have moved to Apples but are using Linux servers for web work. Those doing hard coding are building application on Linux platforms using C and Java. > > How the average joe-public is handling this I have no idea but I sense some confusion. If any person ask me for help, you know what my answer will be. 30% of PC users are using XP. Why not? It's solid, they don't need a bleeding edge OS, and they're evidently not obsessed with novelty. Microsoft & PC Makers are making no money on these worthies, so are trying to frighten them into upgrading to 8.1. Standard business behavioiur in the United States of Hype. Ignore the propaganda. PB > > Jim > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gustav Brock" > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > Sent: Monday, 13 January, 2014 5:24:43 AM > Subject: [dba-Tech] No more MSE for Windows XP > > Hi all > > What would your recommendation for a (free) replacement be? > > "As a result, after April 8, 2014, technical assistance for Windows XP will no longer be available, including automatic updates that help protect your PC. Microsoft will also stop providing Microsoft Security Essentials for download on Windows XP on this date." > > http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/end-support-help > > I once used a German tool (Avir?) but it was very annoying with full-screen popups asking you to buy a license - turning itself into a marketing virus. MSE was a breeze to install on such machines. > > /gustav > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From accessd at shaw.ca Tue Jan 14 11:44:21 2014 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2014 10:44:21 -0700 (MST) Subject: [dba-Tech] The best wireless HDMI In-Reply-To: <52D4BDD6.3040803@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <1905000335.120821124.1389721461687.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi Peter: Just look half way down the page and there is a feature comparison between Airtame, Chromecast, Apple TV and Miracast. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Brawley" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Monday, 13 January, 2014 8:32:22 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] The best wireless HDMI On 2014-01-13 6:18 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Hi All: > > Here is a link to one of the best crowd sourced products on the bench right now: > > http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/airtame-wireless-hdmi-for-everyone--2 Can't find a spec sheet. How does it compare with Chromecast? PB ----- > > The project has already reached its money goal and is just adding feature and OSs as more investment arrives. > > Jim > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From peter.brawley at earthlink.net Tue Jan 14 12:39:24 2014 From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2014 12:39:24 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] The best wireless HDMI In-Reply-To: <1905000335.120821124.1389721461687.JavaMail.root@cds002> References: <1905000335.120821124.1389721461687.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: <52D5845C.7010007@earthlink.net> On 2014-01-14 11:44 AM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Hi Peter: > > Just look half way down the page and there is a feature comparison between Airtame, Chromecast, Apple TV and Miracast. Thanks, I didn't scroll down far enough! AirTame streams from the 'puter, whereas ChromeCast merely sends the url to the dongle, which fetches from the router. Do I have this right? PB > > Jim > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Peter Brawley" > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > Sent: Monday, 13 January, 2014 8:32:22 PM > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] The best wireless HDMI > > On 2014-01-13 6:18 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: >> Hi All: >> >> Here is a link to one of the best crowd sourced products on the bench right now: >> >> http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/airtame-wireless-hdmi-for-everyone--2 > Can't find a spec sheet. How does it compare with Chromecast? > > PB > > ----- > >> The project has already reached its money goal and is just adding feature and OSs as more investment arrives. >> >> Jim >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From accessd at shaw.ca Tue Jan 14 12:42:10 2014 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2014 11:42:10 -0700 (MST) Subject: [dba-Tech] Free one day video training In-Reply-To: <52D56D5C.8020501@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <2051744611.120903185.1389724930075.JavaMail.root@cds002> Wintelle is offering one day free video training...today tomorrow not sure which. They are a good company I have taken some training from them a number of years ago down in Redmond. So if anyone is interested: To access the free courses, please visit www.WintellectNOW.com and click the "Library" tab. Free courses will appear at the top of the list and will be labeled "Free" in the "Plan" column. Jim From accessd at shaw.ca Tue Jan 14 13:11:16 2014 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2014 12:11:16 -0700 (MST) Subject: [dba-Tech] The best wireless HDMI In-Reply-To: <52D5845C.7010007@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <1627992870.120943025.1389726676202.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi Peter: I think that is about right...that was my interpretation from the description and the pictures. (I am hoping the donation go over a million as it would be neat to have a product that I could control from my smartphone.) Yes, it does support XP and no, it only supports Google Chrome. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Brawley" To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Sent: Tuesday, 14 January, 2014 10:39:24 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] The best wireless HDMI On 2014-01-14 11:44 AM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Hi Peter: > > Just look half way down the page and there is a feature comparison between Airtame, Chromecast, Apple TV and Miracast. Thanks, I didn't scroll down far enough! AirTame streams from the 'puter, whereas ChromeCast merely sends the url to the dongle, which fetches from the router. Do I have this right? PB > > Jim > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Peter Brawley" > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > Sent: Monday, 13 January, 2014 8:32:22 PM > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] The best wireless HDMI > > On 2014-01-13 6:18 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: >> Hi All: >> >> Here is a link to one of the best crowd sourced products on the bench right now: >> >> http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/airtame-wireless-hdmi-for-everyone--2 > Can't find a spec sheet. How does it compare with Chromecast? > > PB > > ----- > >> The project has already reached its money goal and is just adding feature and OSs as more investment arrives. >> >> Jim >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Tue Jan 14 13:23:33 2014 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2014 12:23:33 -0700 (MST) Subject: [dba-Tech] Yeoman In-Reply-To: <2051744611.120903185.1389724930075.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: <2077222410.120959505.1389727413854.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi All: At the risk of adding yet more options to the already numerous mashup web building environments which group a number of integrated frames-works to assist the developer in his/her task of creating beauty for users, here is another product worth investigating. http://yeoman.io PS: It does not require 64bit hardware on which to install. Jim From peter.brawley at earthlink.net Tue Jan 14 14:08:06 2014 From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2014 14:08:06 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] The best wireless HDMI In-Reply-To: <1627992870.120943025.1389726676202.JavaMail.root@cds002> References: <1627992870.120943025.1389726676202.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: <52D59926.50003@earthlink.net> On 2014-01-14 1:11 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Hi Peter: > > I think that is about right...that was my interpretation from the description and the pictures. > > (I am hoping the donation go over a million as it would be neat to have a product that I could control from my smartphone.) > > Yes, it does support XP and no, it only supports Google Chrome. I like the ChromeCast approach: send the url to the dongle so there's no further load on the tablet/smartphone/whatever. PB ----- > > Jim > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Peter Brawley" > To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com > Sent: Tuesday, 14 January, 2014 10:39:24 AM > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] The best wireless HDMI > > On 2014-01-14 11:44 AM, Jim Lawrence wrote: >> Hi Peter: >> >> Just look half way down the page and there is a feature comparison between Airtame, Chromecast, Apple TV and Miracast. > Thanks, I didn't scroll down far enough! > > AirTame streams from the 'puter, whereas ChromeCast merely sends the url > to the dongle, which fetches from the router. Do I have this right? > > PB > >> Jim >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Peter Brawley" >> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" >> Sent: Monday, 13 January, 2014 8:32:22 PM >> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] The best wireless HDMI >> >> On 2014-01-13 6:18 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: >>> Hi All: >>> >>> Here is a link to one of the best crowd sourced products on the bench right now: >>> >>> http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/airtame-wireless-hdmi-for-everyone--2 >> Can't find a spec sheet. How does it compare with Chromecast? >> >> PB >> >> ----- >> >>> The project has already reached its money goal and is just adding feature and OSs as more investment arrives. >>> >>> Jim >>> _______________________________________________ >>> dba-Tech mailing list >>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From gustav at cactus.dk Wed Jan 15 02:35:00 2014 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2014 09:35:00 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] No more MSE for Windows XP Message-ID: <004301cf11cc$adc1bef0$09453cd0$@cactus.dk> Hi all Thanks for the input. Here is an update. I decided for Bitdefender Free which comes close to MSE being ultra-simple to install and maintain. Actually, it is even simpler than MSE which says a lot. I couldn't find a NOD32 Free, so first I tried Avast Free which seems to work fine but the user interface is way too much. Also, like Oracle and Java, it tries to install Google toolbar and Chrome which gives me the creep. Then I tried Malwarebyte Free but the free version has no automatic update of definitions nor scans. I also tried AVG Free but that is monster install and, again, with an overwhelming UI. So for these XP Mode VMs of ours - all workstations run Win 7 or 8.1 - with close to zero browser use, Bitdefender with its sheer simplicity fits perfectly. /gustav -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Salakhetdinov Shamil Sendt: 13. januar 2014 17:10 Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] No more MSE for Windows XP Hi Gustav -- I'm using licensed NOD32 for quite some time and it works well for me - here is your country representatives' web site - http://www.eset.dk/ . And on this page in the bottom you can find comparison on different anti-virus tools http://www.eset.dk/produkter/eset-nod32-antivirus/ -- Shamil Monday, January 13, 2014 2:24 PM +01:00 from "Gustav Brock" : >Hi all > >What would your recommendation for a (free) replacement be? > >"As a result, after April 8, 2014, technical assistance for Windows XP will no longer be available, including automatic updates that help protect your PC. Microsoft will also stop providing Microsoft Security Essentials for download on Windows XP on this date." > >http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/end-support-help > >I once used a German tool (Avir?) but it was very annoying with full-screen popups asking you to buy a license - turning itself into a marketing virus. MSE was a breeze to install on such machines. > >/gustav From poc231st at hotmail.com Wed Jan 15 19:38:16 2014 From: poc231st at hotmail.com (Patti OConnor) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2014 20:38:16 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] FYI: state of databases In-Reply-To: <1552617083.119747990.1389637048445.JavaMail.root@cds002> References: <1552617083.119747990.1389637048445.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: Thanks for the link Jim --- was interesting reading. I have been working with Oracle for 15 years before that was a short time with powerbuilder after working with hierarchical db for 20 years. All the while using Access 2 through 2010 for mini systems or a way to grab the Oracle data into small tables for reporting and trending for users. Now doing some work with Ms SQL Server moving old access database backends to that. Less worry about the versions not talking to each other well. I want to look into the NOSQL and learn abit more about it thanks again On 01/13/2014 01:17 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Hi Shamil: > > Those posts were getting a little long for sure. > > That is the truth as you just have to start somewhere...it is always nice to find a client who will pay while you learn. Right now I am in a position to take my time but it is too easy to procrastinate. > > Everything is Oracle here; in all big businesses and government...almost a closed shop. Aside: There were only a very few MS SQL sites around even though I encourage the powers to be. It ended up with me getting most of my DB work in Oracle...it was a little disappointing but at least it paid. If Oracle was not so established, locally, it may (have) give(n) other database, other than Oracle. > > Here is an interesting article on the state of databases: > > http://www.wired.com/wiredenterprise/2014/01/dbengines/ > > Jim > --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com From mcp2004 at mail.ru Thu Jan 16 05:29:37 2014 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2014 15:29:37 +0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?Adobe_Creative_Cloud_Overview?= Message-ID: <1389871777.679175014@f284.i.mail.ru> Hi All -- Does anybody here uses Adobe Creative Cloud? http://tv.adobe.com/watch/learn-creative-cloud/adobe-creative-cloud-overview/ Thank you. -- ???????????? ?????? From mcp2004 at mail.ru Thu Jan 16 06:23:14 2014 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2014 16:23:14 +0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?FYI=3A_Amazing_diversity_of_Javascript_solut?= =?utf-8?q?ions_of_an_HTML_web_page_query_URL_string__parsing?= Message-ID: <1389874994.366217258@f284.i.mail.ru> Hi All -- FYI: StackOverflow: " How can I get query string values in JavaScript? " http://stackoverflow.com/questions/901115/how-can-i-get-query-string-values-in-javascript -- ???????????? ?????? From accessd at shaw.ca Thu Jan 16 10:58:24 2014 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2014 09:58:24 -0700 (MST) Subject: [dba-Tech] Adobe Creative Cloud Overview In-Reply-To: <1389871777.679175014@f284.i.mail.ru> Message-ID: <1454169228.123219004.1389891504063.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi Shamil: I have the previous full suite of Adobe products. I am personally not yet convinced that Cloud based graphic tools are the way to go. There are many times when I may not have internet connection; any where outside the urban core or access to WiFi may be blocked by a password. Of course I have questions about the costs but have not yet looked into them...there would have to be a more and better features before parting with another large cash outlay...the full suite was about 5K. OTOH, Adobe has a excellent suite of products and I think they are an absolute must any web developer. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Thursday, 16 January, 2014 3:29:37 AM Subject: [dba-Tech] Adobe Creative Cloud Overview Hi All -- Does anybody here uses Adobe Creative Cloud? http://tv.adobe.com/watch/learn-creative-cloud/adobe-creative-cloud-overview/ Thank you. -- ???????????? ?????? _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Thu Jan 16 11:09:05 2014 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2014 10:09:05 -0700 (MST) Subject: [dba-Tech] FYI: Amazing diversity of Javascript solutions of an HTML web page query URL string parsing In-Reply-To: <1389874994.366217258@f284.i.mail.ru> Message-ID: <2075233909.123237382.1389892144990.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi Shamil: What a bear of a piece of code. I have been just using ASP* and/or JQuery for that purpose...much simpler. If you dig around in JQuery you can find that exact piece of JavaScript and just extract it. I have been just putting a link to JQuery, in the page header of every page in every website. For quickly getting a website initialized: http://html5boilerplate.com ...is a good place to start. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Thursday, 16 January, 2014 4:23:14 AM Subject: [dba-Tech] FYI: Amazing diversity of Javascript solutions of an HTML web page query URL string parsing Hi All -- FYI: StackOverflow: " How can I get query string values in JavaScript? " http://stackoverflow.com/questions/901115/how-can-i-get-query-string-values-in-javascript -- ???????????? ?????? _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From mcp2004 at mail.ru Thu Jan 16 11:20:53 2014 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2014 21:20:53 +0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?Adobe_Creative_Cloud_Overview?= In-Reply-To: <1454169228.123219004.1389891504063.JavaMail.root@cds002> References: <1389871777.679175014@f284.i.mail.ru> <1454169228.123219004.1389891504063.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: <1389892853.232129099@f325.i.mail.ru> HI Jim -- Watch: " The Myths of Adobe Creative Cloud" http://tv.adobe.com/watch/learn-creative-cloud/the-myths-of-adobe-creative-cloud/ ? (5 min 37 s) Full suite cloud/off-line subscription for Adobe CC for individual developers seems to be ~USD50/month. Rather moderate IMO. Especially if one has customer Web Projects to pay that subscription from. While Adobe Creative Suite Master Collection - Adobe Photoshop CS6 etc. etc. costs USD2599 ( http://www.adobe.com/products/catalog/cs6._sl_id-contentfilter_sl_catalog_sl_software_sl_creativesuite6.html ) Thank you. -- Shamil Thursday, January 16, 2014 9:58 AM -07:00 from Jim Lawrence : >Hi Shamil: > >I have the previous full suite of Adobe products. I am personally not yet convinced that Cloud based graphic tools are the way to go. There are many times when I may not have internet connection; any where outside the urban core or access to WiFi may be blocked by a password. Of course I have questions about the costs but have not yet looked into them...there would have to be a more and better features before parting with another large cash outlay...the full suite was about 5K. > >OTOH, Adobe has a excellent suite of products and I think they are an absolute must any web developer. > >Jim > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" < mcp2004 at mail.ru > >To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" < dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com > >Sent: Thursday, 16 January, 2014 3:29:37 AM >Subject: [dba-Tech] Adobe Creative Cloud Overview > >?Hi All -- > >Does anybody here uses Adobe Creative Cloud? > >http://tv.adobe.com/watch/learn-creative-cloud/adobe-creative-cloud-overview/ > >Thank you. > >-- >???????????? ?????? >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- ???????????? ?????? From mcp2004 at mail.ru Thu Jan 16 11:49:58 2014 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2014 21:49:58 +0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?FYI=3A_Amazing_diversity_of_Javascript_solut?= =?utf-8?q?ions_of_an_HTML_web_page_query_URL_string_parsing?= In-Reply-To: <2075233909.123237382.1389892144990.JavaMail.root@cds002> References: <1389874994.366217258@f284.i.mail.ru> <2075233909.123237382.1389892144990.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: <1389894598.876891064@f325.i.mail.ru> Hi Jim -- I have posted the link to use its topic mainly as a source of many sample code snippets often using very different JavaScript programming techniques to solve the same (on first glance) simple task of parsing a web page query URL. Imaging now the variety of approaches/programming techniques one may find when different people will be solving by programming a bit more complicated task, especially if they will be using different programming languages/technologies - the variety would be endless... Thank you. -- Shamil Thursday, January 16, 2014 10:09 AM -07:00 from Jim Lawrence : >Hi Shamil: > >What a bear of a piece of code. > >I have been just using ASP* and/or JQuery for that purpose...much simpler. If you dig around in JQuery you can find that exact piece of JavaScript and just extract it. I have been just putting a link to JQuery, in the page header of every page in every website. > >For quickly getting a website initialized: > >http://html5boilerplate.com > >...is a good place to start. > >Jim > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" < mcp2004 at mail.ru > >To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" < dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com > >Sent: Thursday, 16 January, 2014 4:23:14 AM >Subject: [dba-Tech] FYI: Amazing diversity of Javascript solutions of an HTML web page query URL string parsing > >?Hi All -- >FYI: StackOverflow: " How can I get query string values in JavaScript? " >http://stackoverflow.com/questions/901115/how-can-i-get-query-string-values-in-javascript > From accessd at shaw.ca Thu Jan 16 12:53:42 2014 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2014 11:53:42 -0700 (MST) Subject: [dba-Tech] We can look forward to a more friendly Micrsoft In-Reply-To: <1389894598.876891064@f325.i.mail.ru> Message-ID: <675934829.123392126.1389898422714.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi All: With the leaving of Microsoft's main new Windows "Metro" evangelist and management's greater focus on keeping their clients happy rather dropping them into a new world, the PC will probably have a period of calm. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/01/16/microsoft_buries_the_sinofsky_era_and_jumps_on_the_coffin_lid According to rumour, Windows 9 may actually be compatible with Windows 7. Maybe then Microsoft will stop trying to scare people off XP and on to Windows 8*...which just resulted of people retreating to Windows 7, Apples and yes, even Linux.) Jim From accessd at shaw.ca Thu Jan 16 12:59:01 2014 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2014 11:59:01 -0700 (MST) Subject: [dba-Tech] XP to 2015 In-Reply-To: <1389894598.876891064@f325.i.mail.ru> Message-ID: <522708896.123399671.1389898741770.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi All: "...Microsoft has capitulated to the legions of users who are still running Windows XP once again, by extending support for its antimalware software for the aging OS into 2015..." http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/01/16/microsoft_xp_security_updates_extended/ Our banks will be so happy. Jim From jbartow at winhaven.net Thu Jan 16 21:03:20 2014 From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2014 21:03:20 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Adobe Creative Cloud Overview In-Reply-To: <1389871777.679175014@f284.i.mail.ru> References: <1389871777.679175014@f284.i.mail.ru> Message-ID: <019901cf1330$ae1df2f0$0a59d8d0$@winhaven.net> Yes, I've been using it for a year now. Contrary to the normal use of the term "cloud" for apps, the apps are all installed locally. The have many cloud aspects to the entire product suite including file, font sharing on cloud server space and Behance (which the the artist equivalent to Linked-in). It also includes a couple of domain hosting spaces. I got the first year at $39.95 per month because I had a Previous Adobe CS Suite. It is now $49.95 per month. It is nice because there are updates coming in whenever a new feature or bug fix is ready for prime time. I've probably had 6 Photoshop updates during the past year and many more improvements and additions to Muse. It includes almost everything Adobe produces. I haven't even installed all of the apps I can because I just don't have the time to learn them all. I wish I did because I now have the full power of Adobe's video production tools. I used Premier about 10 versions ago but it has changed a lot. I the audio tool "Audition" a bit and I like it. But mostly for me its Acrobat, Photoshop, Illustrator, InDesign, Dreamweaver, and Muse. Given what an Adobe CS Suite cost per upgrade the price of Adobe Cloud is actually less expensive. John B -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov Shamil Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2014 5:30 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Adobe Creative Cloud Overview Hi All -- Does anybody here uses Adobe Creative Cloud? http://tv.adobe.com/watch/learn-creative-cloud/adobe-creative-cloud-overview/ Thank you. -- ???????????? ?????? _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jbartow at winhaven.net Fri Jan 17 13:17:29 2014 From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2014 13:17:29 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Adobe Creative Cloud Overview In-Reply-To: <019901cf1330$ae1df2f0$0a59d8d0$@winhaven.net> References: <1389871777.679175014@f284.i.mail.ru> <019901cf1330$ae1df2f0$0a59d8d0$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: <011d01cf13b8$c49ac020$4dd04060$@winhaven.net> In follow-up to this - Adobe sent out notice this morning that there are 20 new features in Photoshop as of today: http://www.adobe.com/products/photoshop/features.html?trackingid=KJTSK Illustrator: http://www.adobe.com/products/illustrator/features.html?trackingid=KJTSH InDesign: http://www.adobe.com/products/indesign/features.html?trackingid=KJTSI Muse: http://www.adobe.com/products/muse/features.html?trackingid=KJUFW (Check out the web fonts direct creation!) -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2014 9:03 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Adobe Creative Cloud Overview Yes, I've been using it for a year now. Contrary to the normal use of the term "cloud" for apps, the apps are all installed locally. The have many cloud aspects to the entire product suite including file, font sharing on cloud server space and Behance (which the the artist equivalent to Linked-in). It also includes a couple of domain hosting spaces. I got the first year at $39.95 per month because I had a Previous Adobe CS Suite. It is now $49.95 per month. It is nice because there are updates coming in whenever a new feature or bug fix is ready for prime time. I've probably had 6 Photoshop updates during the past year and many more improvements and additions to Muse. It includes almost everything Adobe produces. I haven't even installed all of the apps I can because I just don't have the time to learn them all. I wish I did because I now have the full power of Adobe's video production tools. I used Premier about 10 versions ago but it has changed a lot. I the audio tool "Audition" a bit and I like it. But mostly for me its Acrobat, Photoshop, Illustrator, InDesign, Dreamweaver, and Muse. Given what an Adobe CS Suite cost per upgrade the price of Adobe Cloud is actually less expensive. John B -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov Shamil Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2014 5:30 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Adobe Creative Cloud Overview Hi All -- Does anybody here uses Adobe Creative Cloud? http://tv.adobe.com/watch/learn-creative-cloud/adobe-creative-cloud-overview/ Thank you. -- ???????????? ?????? _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Sat Jan 18 22:18:37 2014 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2014 21:18:37 -0700 (MST) Subject: [dba-Tech] Google's Dart In-Reply-To: <52D59926.50003@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <829406501.125728762.1390105117262.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi All: Google is now focusing on its new protocol/environment called Dart. It seems promising but I am always concerned when a company feels that it is in such a position of power that it is capable of forcing the market to comply with its objects. (The whole industry has already been set back a number of years as before another company decided it could rule them all and they could create standards without consultation.) I am as much intrigued as I am concerned at this point: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/01/17/dart_1_1_matches_javascript Maybe your future on the net is Microsoft's Visual Studio or is it Google's Dart? https://www.dartlang.org/tools/ Jim From mcp2004 at mail.ru Sun Jan 19 08:37:32 2014 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2014 18:37:32 +0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?Google=27s_Dart?= In-Reply-To: <829406501.125728762.1390105117262.JavaMail.root@cds002> References: <52D59926.50003@earthlink.net> <829406501.125728762.1390105117262.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: <1390142252.595511917@f435.i.mail.ru> HI Jim -- >?Maybe your future on the net is Microsoft's Visual Studio or is it Google's Dart? Both. But I'd bet on Visual Studio and Javascript and asm.js ( http://asmjs.org/spec/latest/ ). And?I also like and I do plan to start using Adobe CC set of web development tools. :) Here is an interesting article on DART evolution and perspectives in ECMA standardization and becoming a mainstream technology -? http://www.sdtimes.com/content/article.aspx?ArticleID=67591&page=1 I'd bet on (near future) browsers ?- all to have VMs for JavaScript, C#, DART, TypeScript, Python, Ruby, ... . I can be wrong but DART is currently looking as a step back to the compile time - static programming languages, while e.g. C# is evolving in the direction of dynamic languages, and has JIT special technologies to make even dynamic (late-binding) programming constructions to get JIT compiled and to be run as fast as compile time (C/C++, Pascal, Fortran, COBOL, ...) do. -- Shamil Saturday, January 18, 2014 9:18 PM -07:00 from Jim Lawrence : >Hi All: > >Google is now focusing on its new protocol/environment called Dart. It seems promising but I am always concerned when a company feels that it is in such a position of power that it is capable of forcing the market to comply with its objects. (The whole industry has already been set back a number of years as before another company decided it could rule them all and they could create standards without consultation.) > >I am as much intrigued as I am concerned at this point: > >http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/01/17/dart_1_1_matches_javascript > >Maybe your future on the net is Microsoft's Visual Studio or is it Google's Dart? > >https://www.dartlang.org/tools/ > >Jim >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- ???????????? ?????? From mcp2004 at mail.ru Sun Jan 19 09:32:49 2014 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2014 19:32:49 +0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?Adobe_Creative_Cloud_Overview?= In-Reply-To: <011d01cf13b8$c49ac020$4dd04060$@winhaven.net> References: <1389871777.679175014@f284.i.mail.ru> <019901cf1330$ae1df2f0$0a59d8d0$@winhaven.net> <011d01cf13b8$c49ac020$4dd04060$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: <1390145569.689855895@f435.i.mail.ru> Hi John -- Thank you for sharing your experience on using Adobe CC. I do plan to get Adobe CC subscription purchased this year. -- Shamil Friday, January 17, 2014 1:17 PM -06:00 from "John Bartow" : >In follow-up to this - Adobe sent out notice this morning that there are 20 new features in Photoshop as of today: >http://www.adobe.com/products/photoshop/features.html?trackingid=KJTSK >Illustrator: >http://www.adobe.com/products/illustrator/features.html?trackingid=KJTSH >InDesign: >http://www.adobe.com/products/indesign/features.html?trackingid=KJTSI >Muse: >http://www.adobe.com/products/muse/features.html?trackingid=KJUFW >(Check out the web fonts direct creation!) > >-----Original Message----- >From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow >Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2014 9:03 PM >To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' >Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Adobe Creative Cloud Overview > >Yes, I've been using it for a year now. Contrary to the normal use of the term "cloud" for apps, the apps are all installed locally. The have many cloud aspects to the entire product suite including file, font sharing on cloud server space and Behance (which the the artist equivalent to Linked-in). It also includes a couple of domain hosting spaces. I got the first year at $39.95 per month because I had a Previous Adobe CS Suite. It is now $49.95 per month. It is nice because there are updates coming in whenever a new feature or bug fix is ready for prime time. I've probably had 6 Photoshop updates during the past year and many more improvements and additions to Muse. It includes almost everything Adobe produces. I haven't even installed all of the apps I can because I just don't have the time to learn them all. I wish I did because I now have the full power of Adobe's video production tools. I used Premier about 10 versions ago but it has changed a lot. I the audio tool "Audition" a bit and I like it. But mostly for me its Acrobat, Photoshop, Illustrator, InDesign, Dreamweaver, and Muse. Given what an Adobe CS Suite cost per upgrade the price of Adobe Cloud is actually less expensive. >John B > >-----Original Message----- >From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov Shamil >Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2014 5:30 AM >To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues >Subject: [dba-Tech] Adobe Creative Cloud Overview > >?Hi All -- > >Does anybody here uses Adobe Creative Cloud? > >http://tv.adobe.com/watch/learn-creative-cloud/adobe-creative-cloud-overview/ > >Thank you. > >-- >???????????? ?????? ???????????? ?????? From accessd at shaw.ca Sun Jan 19 14:13:44 2014 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2014 13:13:44 -0700 (MST) Subject: [dba-Tech] Adobe Creative Cloud Overview In-Reply-To: <1390145569.689855895@f435.i.mail.ru> Message-ID: <2014977845.126118536.1390162424256.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi John and Shamil: I agree with your direction. Now all that is necessary is another project to warrant that investment. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2014 7:32:49 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Adobe Creative Cloud Overview Hi John -- Thank you for sharing your experience on using Adobe CC. I do plan to get Adobe CC subscription purchased this year. -- Shamil Friday, January 17, 2014 1:17 PM -06:00 from "John Bartow" : >In follow-up to this - Adobe sent out notice this morning that there are 20 new features in Photoshop as of today: >http://www.adobe.com/products/photoshop/features.html?trackingid=KJTSK >Illustrator: >http://www.adobe.com/products/illustrator/features.html?trackingid=KJTSH >InDesign: >http://www.adobe.com/products/indesign/features.html?trackingid=KJTSI >Muse: >http://www.adobe.com/products/muse/features.html?trackingid=KJUFW >(Check out the web fonts direct creation!) > >-----Original Message----- >From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow >Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2014 9:03 PM >To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' >Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Adobe Creative Cloud Overview > >Yes, I've been using it for a year now. Contrary to the normal use of the term "cloud" for apps, the apps are all installed locally. The have many cloud aspects to the entire product suite including file, font sharing on cloud server space and Behance (which the the artist equivalent to Linked-in). It also includes a couple of domain hosting spaces. I got the first year at $39.95 per month because I had a Previous Adobe CS Suite. It is now $49.95 per month. It is nice because there are updates coming in whenever a new feature or bug fix is ready for prime time. I've probably had 6 Photoshop updates during the past year and many more improvements and additions to Muse. It includes almost everything Adobe produces. I haven't even installed all of the apps I can because I just don't have the time to learn them all. I wish I did because I now have the full power of Adobe's video production tools. I used Premier about 10 versions ago but it has changed a lot. I the audio tool "Audition" a bit and I like it. But mostly for me its Acrobat, Photoshop, Illustrator, InDesign, Dreamweaver, and Muse. Given what an Adobe CS Suite cost per upgrade the price of Adobe Cloud is actually less expensive. >John B > >-----Original Message----- >From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov Shamil >Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2014 5:30 AM >To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues >Subject: [dba-Tech] Adobe Creative Cloud Overview > >?Hi All -- > >Does anybody here uses Adobe Creative Cloud? > >http://tv.adobe.com/watch/learn-creative-cloud/adobe-creative-cloud-overview/ > >Thank you. > >-- >???????????? ?????? ???????????? ?????? _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Sun Jan 19 14:46:17 2014 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2014 13:46:17 -0700 (MST) Subject: [dba-Tech] Google's Dart In-Reply-To: <1390142252.595511917@f435.i.mail.ru> Message-ID: <818013320.126135582.1390164377057.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi Shamil: Definitely food for thought. I am not familiar with asm.js but it is definitely worth investigating. Is it similar to args.js?: http://autographer.github.io/args.js/ I have been looking through the Dartjs system and like yourself have concerns with it. Google is obviously fully behind it but... I have been going through the examples and being intrigued by not only the access, as you would guess to Googles products, but the methods used to build web pages. First you create a simple web page layout, add an ID or two and then stuff the functional content directly into the page. Is this the new way to do web pages?...not that I find this bad; just different. Thoughts? http://runnable.com/UoLwdWnmMS0kAAAr/fetching-data-using-jsonp-with-dart2js I have been using Adobe's Dreamweaver for years but have recently have been just hand-coding. Maybe it is time to give Adobe's new web suite another chance? My direction, in development is going to be with products that run on all platforms. That may limit some applications but most companies are building systems that will support all environments. Observation: If I was starting out in the development business, I would be very hesitant to get too aligned with any particular company and would try to own any technology that I would base my career on. So without trying to label a particulars products potential, longevity or stability; "cautions" is the key word. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2014 6:37:32 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Google's Dart HI Jim -- >?Maybe your future on the net is Microsoft's Visual Studio or is it Google's Dart? Both. But I'd bet on Visual Studio and Javascript and asm.js ( http://asmjs.org/spec/latest/ ). And?I also like and I do plan to start using Adobe CC set of web development tools. :) Here is an interesting article on DART evolution and perspectives in ECMA standardization and becoming a mainstream technology -? http://www.sdtimes.com/content/article.aspx?ArticleID=67591&page=1 I'd bet on (near future) browsers ?- all to have VMs for JavaScript, C#, DART, TypeScript, Python, Ruby, ... . I can be wrong but DART is currently looking as a step back to the compile time - static programming languages, while e.g. C# is evolving in the direction of dynamic languages, and has JIT special technologies to make even dynamic (late-binding) programming constructions to get JIT compiled and to be run as fast as compile time (C/C++, Pascal, Fortran, COBOL, ...) do. -- Shamil Saturday, January 18, 2014 9:18 PM -07:00 from Jim Lawrence : >Hi All: > >Google is now focusing on its new protocol/environment called Dart. It seems promising but I am always concerned when a company feels that it is in such a position of power that it is capable of forcing the market to comply with its objects. (The whole industry has already been set back a number of years as before another company decided it could rule them all and they could create standards without consultation.) > >I am as much intrigued as I am concerned at this point: > >http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/01/17/dart_1_1_matches_javascript > >Maybe your future on the net is Microsoft's Visual Studio or is it Google's Dart? > >https://www.dartlang.org/tools/ > >Jim From accessd at shaw.ca Sun Jan 19 15:00:28 2014 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2014 14:00:28 -0700 (MST) Subject: [dba-Tech] Database future In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1603203295.126142698.1390165228545.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi All: According to Forbes the future of databases are as such; 2014: The Year Big Data Adoption Goes Mainstream In The Enterprise: http://www.forbes.com/sites/louiscolumbus/2014/01/12/2014-the-year-big-data-adoption-goes-mainstream-in-the-enterprise/#! Are any people here on the Tech list are working with Big-Data solutions? Jim From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Sun Jan 19 23:01:33 2014 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2014 15:01:33 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Database future In-Reply-To: <1603203295.126142698.1390165228545.JavaMail.root@cds002> References: , <1603203295.126142698.1390165228545.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: <52DCADAD.18692.14A682F1@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> ROTFLMAO "Last week IDG published their latest big data enterprise survey and predictions for 2014 finding that on average, enterprises will spend $8M on big data -related initiatives in 2014." Guess it depends on how you define "average", "enterprise", "will" and "2014" :) (92% of companies under 1000 employees and 84% of organisations surveyed plan* to spend less than $5M, 71% of total intend to spend less than $1M. The 2% who plan to spend over $100M each may cause a light distortion in appearances) *where the total who are allegedly "planning" from the previous question includes "are considering... in the next 13 - 24 months" and "likely to miplement in the future but have no specific timelines". Very dodgy methodology. But I guess if it's good enough for climate scientists, it's good enough for market analysts :) -- Stuart On 19 Jan 2014 at 14:00, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Hi All: > > According to Forbes the future of databases are as such; 2014: The > Year Big Data Adoption Goes Mainstream In The Enterprise: > > http://www.forbes.com/sites/louiscolumbus/2014/01/12/2014-the-year-big > -data-adoption-goes-mainstream-in-the-enterprise/#! > > Are any people here on the Tech list are working with Big-Data > solutions? > > Jim > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From fuller.artful at gmail.com Mon Jan 20 06:34:16 2014 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2014 07:34:16 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 8/8.1 version of Control Panel Message-ID: I can't find Control Panel's equivalent anywhere on my WIndows 8.1 sytsem. Anyone where to look? I want to uninstall a couple of annoying programs, most notably MyPCBackup. -- Arthur From gustav at cactus.dk Mon Jan 20 06:57:00 2014 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2014 13:57:00 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 8/8.1 version of Control Panel Message-ID: <004801cf15df$1c00f9b0$5402ed10$@cactus.dk> Hi Arthur Did you right-click the Start button? /gustav -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Arthur Fuller Sendt: 20. januar 2014 13:34 Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Emne: [dba-Tech] Windows 8/8.1 version of Control Panel I can't find Control Panel's equivalent anywhere on my WIndows 8.1 sytsem. Anyone where to look? I want to uninstall a couple of annoying programs, most notably MyPCBackup. -- Arthur From fuller.artful at gmail.com Mon Jan 20 10:23:23 2014 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2014 11:23:23 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 8/8.1 version of Control Panel In-Reply-To: <004801cf15df$1c00f9b0$5402ed10$@cactus.dk> References: <004801cf15df$1c00f9b0$5402ed10$@cactus.dk> Message-ID: Thanks for that, Gustav. It never would have occurred to me. Arthur On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 7:57 AM, Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi Arthur > > Did you right-click the Start button? > > /gustav > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Arthur From jon.tydda at lonza.com Mon Jan 20 10:25:48 2014 From: jon.tydda at lonza.com (Tydda Jon - Lonza Slough) Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2014 16:25:48 +0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 8/8.1 version of Control Panel In-Reply-To: References: <004801cf15df$1c00f9b0$5402ed10$@cactus.dk> Message-ID: <11dbbc7e405641e18ca3991a4674eeb9@CHVEX11.lonzagroup.net> Arthur, do yourself a massive favour and download ClassicShell - it's a proper full featured Start button that you can configure the look of (and the whole start menu). http://www.classicshell.net/ Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 4:23 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows 8/8.1 version of Control Panel Thanks for that, Gustav. It never would have occurred to me. Arthur On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 7:57 AM, Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi Arthur > > Did you right-click the Start button? > > /gustav > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Arthur _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com ________________________________ This communication and its attachments, if any, may contain confidential and privileged information the use of which by other persons or entities than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you receive this transmission in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete the material from your system. From fuller.artful at gmail.com Mon Jan 20 10:53:57 2014 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2014 11:53:57 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 8/8.1 version of Control Panel In-Reply-To: <11dbbc7e405641e18ca3991a4674eeb9@CHVEX11.lonzagroup.net> References: <004801cf15df$1c00f9b0$5402ed10$@cactus.dk> <11dbbc7e405641e18ca3991a4674eeb9@CHVEX11.lonzagroup.net> Message-ID: Thanks, Jon. Looks very interesting so far. On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 11:25 AM, Tydda Jon - Lonza Slough < jon.tydda at lonza.com> wrote: > Arthur, do yourself a massive favour and download ClassicShell - it's a > proper full featured Start button that you can configure the look of (and > the whole start menu). > > http://www.classicshell.net/ > > > Jon > > From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Jan 20 11:18:51 2014 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2014 10:18:51 -0700 (MST) Subject: [dba-Tech] Database future In-Reply-To: <52DCADAD.18692.14A682F1@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <1253226054.126791472.1390238331692.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi Stuart: Are you noting how poorly the article was written or do you feel Big Data is just a passing phase? I will agree that the writer is not going to be winning any prizes. If you doubting the growth of Big data, just like Climate warming, it is no longer a question or even point of contention, it is a done deal. I would expect many mixed messages in the article as it is a grouping and projection of a number of studies. Regardless, the implementation of Big Data solutions is a large hot spot in the computer industry with many of the best paying jobs are going there. For small companies this technology will never be used, at least not directly, but for any sizeable industry or governments, the implementation is in full swing. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stuart McLachlan" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2014 9:01:33 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Database future ROTFLMAO "Last week IDG published their latest big data enterprise survey and predictions for 2014 finding that on average, enterprises will spend $8M on big data -related initiatives in 2014." Guess it depends on how you define "average", "enterprise", "will" and "2014" :) (92% of companies under 1000 employees and 84% of organisations surveyed plan* to spend less than $5M, 71% of total intend to spend less than $1M. The 2% who plan to spend over $100M each may cause a light distortion in appearances) *where the total who are allegedly "planning" from the previous question includes "are considering... in the next 13 - 24 months" and "likely to miplement in the future but have no specific timelines". Very dodgy methodology. But I guess if it's good enough for climate scientists, it's good enough for market analysts :) -- Stuart On 19 Jan 2014 at 14:00, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Hi All: > > According to Forbes the future of databases are as such; 2014: The > Year Big Data Adoption Goes Mainstream In The Enterprise: > > http://www.forbes.com/sites/louiscolumbus/2014/01/12/2014-the-year-big > -data-adoption-goes-mainstream-in-the-enterprise/#! > > Are any people here on the Tech list are working with Big-Data > solutions? > > Jim > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Jan 20 21:44:19 2014 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2014 20:44:19 -0700 (MST) Subject: [dba-Tech] Are we progressing? In-Reply-To: <011d01cf13b8$c49ac020$4dd04060$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: <1309943753.127436949.1390275859289.JavaMail.root@cds002> Maybe not as fast as we should. Here is to hoping it is just a two step, one step back and then two forward. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/01/17/lego-ad-1981_n_4617704.html?ncid=edlinkusaolp00000009 Jim From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Mon Jan 20 23:20:35 2014 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2014 15:20:35 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Database future In-Reply-To: <1253226054.126791472.1390238331692.JavaMail.root@cds002> References: <52DCADAD.18692.14A682F1@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>, <1253226054.126791472.1390238331692.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: <52DE03A3.18047.19DE4D6B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Here's your Big Data http://abstrusegoose.com/553 :) On 20 Jan 2014 at 10:18, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Hi Stuart: > > Are you noting how poorly the article was written or do you feel Big > Data is just a passing phase? I will agree that the writer is not > going to be winning any prizes. If you doubting the growth of Big > data, just like Climate warming, it is no longer a question or even > point of contention, it is a done deal. > > I would expect many mixed messages in the article as it is a grouping > and projection of a number of studies. Regardless, the implementation > of Big Data solutions is a large hot spot in the computer industry > with many of the best paying jobs are going there. > > For small companies this technology will never be used, at least not > directly, but for any sizeable industry or governments, the > implementation is in full swing. > > Jim > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stuart McLachlan" > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2014 9:01:33 > PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Database future > > ROTFLMAO > > "Last week IDG published their latest big data enterprise survey and > predictions for 2014 finding that on average, enterprises will spend > $8M on big data -related initiatives in 2014." > > Guess it depends on how you define "average", "enterprise", "will" > and "2014" :) > > (92% of companies under 1000 employees and 84% of organisations > surveyed plan* to spend less than $5M, 71% of total intend to spend > less than $1M. The 2% who plan to spend over $100M each may cause > a light distortion in appearances) > > *where the total who are allegedly "planning" from the previous > question includes "are considering... in the next 13 - 24 months" and > "likely to miplement in the future but have no specific timelines". > > > Very dodgy methodology. > > But I guess if it's good enough for climate scientists, it's good > enough for market analysts :) > > > -- > Stuart > > > On 19 Jan 2014 at 14:00, Jim Lawrence wrote: > > > Hi All: > > > > According to Forbes the future of databases are as such; 2014: The > > Year Big Data Adoption Goes Mainstream In The Enterprise: > > > > http://www.forbes.com/sites/louiscolumbus/2014/01/12/2014-the-year-b > > ig -data-adoption-goes-mainstream-in-the-enterprise/#! > > > > Are any people here on the Tech list are working with Big-Data > > solutions? > > > > Jim > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Jan 20 23:27:54 2014 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2014 22:27:54 -0700 (MST) Subject: [dba-Tech] Database future In-Reply-To: <52DE03A3.18047.19DE4D6B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <1629976979.127490663.1390282074977.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi Stuart: Isn't that the truth. ;-) Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stuart McLachlan" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 9:20:35 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Database future Here's your Big Data http://abstrusegoose.com/553 :) On 20 Jan 2014 at 10:18, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Hi Stuart: > > Are you noting how poorly the article was written or do you feel Big > Data is just a passing phase? I will agree that the writer is not > going to be winning any prizes. If you doubting the growth of Big > data, just like Climate warming, it is no longer a question or even > point of contention, it is a done deal. > > I would expect many mixed messages in the article as it is a grouping > and projection of a number of studies. Regardless, the implementation > of Big Data solutions is a large hot spot in the computer industry > with many of the best paying jobs are going there. > > For small companies this technology will never be used, at least not > directly, but for any sizeable industry or governments, the > implementation is in full swing. > > Jim > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stuart McLachlan" > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2014 9:01:33 > PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Database future > > ROTFLMAO > > "Last week IDG published their latest big data enterprise survey and > predictions for 2014 finding that on average, enterprises will spend > $8M on big data -related initiatives in 2014." > > Guess it depends on how you define "average", "enterprise", "will" > and "2014" :) > > (92% of companies under 1000 employees and 84% of organisations > surveyed plan* to spend less than $5M, 71% of total intend to spend > less than $1M. The 2% who plan to spend over $100M each may cause > a light distortion in appearances) > > *where the total who are allegedly "planning" from the previous > question includes "are considering... in the next 13 - 24 months" and > "likely to miplement in the future but have no specific timelines". > > > Very dodgy methodology. > > But I guess if it's good enough for climate scientists, it's good > enough for market analysts :) > > > -- > Stuart > > > On 19 Jan 2014 at 14:00, Jim Lawrence wrote: > > > Hi All: > > > > According to Forbes the future of databases are as such; 2014: The > > Year Big Data Adoption Goes Mainstream In The Enterprise: > > > > http://www.forbes.com/sites/louiscolumbus/2014/01/12/2014-the-year-b > > ig -data-adoption-goes-mainstream-in-the-enterprise/#! > > > > Are any people here on the Tech list are working with Big-Data > > solutions? > > > > Jim > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Tue Jan 21 00:54:07 2014 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2014 22:54:07 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] VirtualBox Message-ID: <861A444273784BFFA9BFB7D9798F251F@HAL9007> Dear List: I need to set up two virtual machines - one Office 2010 pro, one Office 2013 pro, for testing. I used Oracle's VM Virtual Box to create a 2007 machine. But I cannot remember how I got it to 'see' the DVD drive on my comp - the host. Obviously, I did it because I set up a virtual machine with Office 2007, but dipped if I can remember how and get it done for 2010 and 2013. Can someone give me a lead on this? MTIA Rocky From fuller.artful at gmail.com Tue Jan 21 03:16:01 2014 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2014 04:16:01 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] VirtualBox In-Reply-To: <861A444273784BFFA9BFB7D9798F251F@HAL9007> References: <861A444273784BFFA9BFB7D9798F251F@HAL9007> Message-ID: Rocky, I don't remember percisely where, but it's on the VirtualBox menu near where the USB connections are. Arthur On Tue, Jan 21, 2014 at 1:54 AM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > Dear List: > > I need to set up two virtual machines - one Office 2010 pro, one Office > 2013 > pro, for testing. I used Oracle's VM Virtual Box to create a 2007 machine. > But I cannot remember how I got it to 'see' the DVD drive on my comp - the > host. Obviously, I did it because I set up a virtual machine with Office > 2007, but dipped if I can remember how and get it done for 2010 and 2013. > > Can someone give me a lead on this? > > MTIA > > Rocky > > From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Tue Jan 21 09:02:19 2014 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2014 07:02:19 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] VirtualBox In-Reply-To: References: <861A444273784BFFA9BFB7D9798F251F@HAL9007> Message-ID: I found it - well Bartow told me the secret. I'm putting up O2007, O2010, and O2013 VMs to support the different versions. R -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2014 1:16 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] VirtualBox Rocky, I don't remember percisely where, but it's on the VirtualBox menu near where the USB connections are. Arthur On Tue, Jan 21, 2014 at 1:54 AM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > Dear List: > > I need to set up two virtual machines - one Office 2010 pro, one > Office > 2013 > pro, for testing. I used Oracle's VM Virtual Box to create a 2007 machine. > But I cannot remember how I got it to 'see' the DVD drive on my comp - > the host. Obviously, I did it because I set up a virtual machine with > Office 2007, but dipped if I can remember how and get it done for 2010 and 2013. > > Can someone give me a lead on this? > > MTIA > > Rocky > > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jbartow at winhaven.net Tue Jan 21 11:24:58 2014 From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2014 11:24:58 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] VirtualBox In-Reply-To: References: <861A444273784BFFA9BFB7D9798F251F@HAL9007> Message-ID: <017601cf16cd$b6534150$22f9c3f0$@winhaven.net> Best way to do it. Otherwise you'll eventually go nuts proofing your apps against each combination of Windows/Office versions. I keep a clean copy of each OS and then duplicate it and add the various versions of office or other apps as needed. It's a good thing hard drives are so big and cheap now. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2014 9:02 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] VirtualBox I found it - well Bartow told me the secret. I'm putting up O2007, O2010, and O2013 VMs to support the different versions. R -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2014 1:16 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] VirtualBox Rocky, I don't remember percisely where, but it's on the VirtualBox menu near where the USB connections are. Arthur On Tue, Jan 21, 2014 at 1:54 AM, Rocky Smolin wrote: > Dear List: > > I need to set up two virtual machines - one Office 2010 pro, one > Office > 2013 > pro, for testing. I used Oracle's VM Virtual Box to create a 2007 machine. > But I cannot remember how I got it to 'see' the DVD drive on my comp - > the host. Obviously, I did it because I set up a virtual machine with > Office 2007, but dipped if I can remember how and get it done for 2010 > and 2013. > > Can someone give me a lead on this? > > MTIA > > Rocky > > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Tue Jan 21 16:05:06 2014 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2014 15:05:06 -0700 (MST) Subject: [dba-Tech] Web neutraity In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1471250198.128297522.1390341906672.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi All: Some are saying the US may lose it hold on the internet if it continues in its present course...just what we want, the UN to take it over. ;-) http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/jupiterbroadcasting/unfiltermp3/~5/s9_DvlyXWYk/unfilter-0081-mp3.mp3 Jim From fuller.artful at gmail.com Tue Jan 21 18:30:43 2014 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2014 19:30:43 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Remove SnapDo Message-ID: Somewhere, somwhow, this really annoying software called snapdo has attached itself to both ID and Chrome I tried searching for "uninstall snapdo" but that only led to ads for ccomercial programs and in some cases popups offering other products. This is driving me completely nuts. Is there a free way to get rid of this annoying software? I'm so frustrated I'm thinking of formatting the hard disk and starting over. -- Arthur From eptept at gmail.com Tue Jan 21 18:35:53 2014 From: eptept at gmail.com (Ed Tesiny) Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2014 19:35:53 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Remove SnapDo In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Did you try Malwarebytes and Eusing registry cleaner. You might also try uninstalling Chrome if that doesn't really screw things up. On Tue, Jan 21, 2014 at 7:30 PM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > Somewhere, somwhow, this really annoying software called snapdo has > attached itself to both ID and Chrome I tried searching for "uninstall > snapdo" but that only led to ads for ccomercial programs and in some cases > popups offering other products. This is driving me completely nuts. > > Is there a free way to get rid of this annoying software? I'm so frustrated > I'm thinking of formatting the hard disk and starting over. > > -- > Arthur > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From accessd at shaw.ca Tue Jan 21 22:54:18 2014 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2014 21:54:18 -0700 (MST) Subject: [dba-Tech] Replacing XP In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <137795107.128633145.1390366458570.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi all: The Penn Manor High-school, in Pennsylvania, had to make a choice on how to upgrade from Windows XP. Even with reducing licensing costs, the dollar value was prohibitive as school budgets have been severely slashed. The decision was made to move to Linux. http://www.pennmanor.net/techblog That is not the real story. In this school district it was deemed that every student would have a laptop computer. The implementation process, only took two days to install a new operating system on over 1700 units. The staff and students were so impressed that they are encouraging the rest of the district to follow suit. If your school district is taking this approach the school is more than willing to help as you can download all the tools from GitHub at: https://github.com/pennmanor Jim From jbartow at winhaven.net Tue Jan 21 22:58:14 2014 From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2014 22:58:14 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Remove SnapDo In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000001cf172e$8f4b6090$ade221b0$@winhaven.net> I'm always amazed at easily people say and do that. In all my years of working with PCs, I've done that very few times. BUY some decent security. If it doesn't protect let them clean it up. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2014 6:31 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] Remove SnapDo Somewhere, somwhow, this really annoying software called snapdo has attached itself to both ID and Chrome I tried searching for "uninstall snapdo" but that only led to ads for ccomercial programs and in some cases popups offering other products. This is driving me completely nuts. Is there a free way to get rid of this annoying software? I'm so frustrated I'm thinking of formatting the hard disk and starting over. -- Arthur _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Tue Jan 21 23:30:45 2014 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2014 22:30:45 -0700 (MST) Subject: [dba-Tech] Want to be an animator? In-Reply-To: <137795107.128633145.1390366458570.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: <1824781694.128654723.1390368645874.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi All: Until fairly recently, (about a year ago) there was not a great OS animation application. If you were in the business you would have to purchase such applications as Studiomax, XSI, Render and so on...not inexpensive to say the least. The problem was that not just one of the programs would allow a designer to create industry standards results...you would generally have to buy a suite of up to six products. Five years of university, to acquire a degree in arts and animation and then a potential ten grand worth of applications...not to mention the cost of the computer...the years of BYOD(?) If you went to work for an animation company, not everyone has the budget of Pixar (or the huge team of programmers), you would have to hope they could afford the latest product site licenses...many companies just can not afford to keep the development software current. Now there is just such an application for those of you who are starting in the business or just want to start your own contract animation studio. http://www.blender.org The application runs on all major platforms, 32 and 64bit. Here is a demoreel sample on what you could build using Blender: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XZGulDxz9o Jim From gustav at cactus.dk Wed Jan 22 03:06:21 2014 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2014 10:06:21 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Remove SnapDo Message-ID: <004c01cf1751$37ed1d70$a7c75850$@cactus.dk> Hi Arthur Ha ha, have you considered why such accidents always seem to fall upon you? Are you visiting too many dubious sites? Or clicking the banners to claim your lotto gift? The tools we listed a couple of weeks ago for your previous case should be able to snatch this snapper as well. /gustav -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Arthur Fuller Sendt: 22. januar 2014 01:31 Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Emne: [dba-Tech] Remove SnapDo Somewhere, somwhow, this really annoying software called snapdo has attached itself to both ID and Chrome I tried searching for "uninstall snapdo" but that only led to ads for ccomercial programs and in some cases popups offering other products. This is driving me completely nuts. Is there a free way to get rid of this annoying software? I'm so frustrated I'm thinking of formatting the hard disk and starting over. -- Arthur From jon.tydda at lonza.com Wed Jan 22 03:12:11 2014 From: jon.tydda at lonza.com (Tydda Jon - Lonza Slough) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2014 09:12:11 +0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Remove SnapDo In-Reply-To: <004c01cf1751$37ed1d70$a7c75850$@cactus.dk> References: <004c01cf1751$37ed1d70$a7c75850$@cactus.dk> Message-ID: <5959e28fd92c41ee865afd5ddd4ef7fc@CHVEX12.lonzagroup.net> And when you've fixed it, install adblockpro! Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2014 9:06 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Remove SnapDo Hi Arthur Ha ha, have you considered why such accidents always seem to fall upon you? Are you visiting too many dubious sites? Or clicking the banners to claim your lotto gift? The tools we listed a couple of weeks ago for your previous case should be able to snatch this snapper as well. /gustav -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Arthur Fuller Sendt: 22. januar 2014 01:31 Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Emne: [dba-Tech] Remove SnapDo Somewhere, somwhow, this really annoying software called snapdo has attached itself to both ID and Chrome I tried searching for "uninstall snapdo" but that only led to ads for ccomercial programs and in some cases popups offering other products. This is driving me completely nuts. Is there a free way to get rid of this annoying software? I'm so frustrated I'm thinking of formatting the hard disk and starting over. -- Arthur _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com ________________________________ This communication and its attachments, if any, may contain confidential and privileged information the use of which by other persons or entities than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you receive this transmission in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete the material from your system. From accessd at shaw.ca Wed Jan 22 12:04:03 2014 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2014 11:04:03 -0700 (MST) Subject: [dba-Tech] OSS contribution In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1402192551.129151291.1390413843629.JavaMail.root@cds002> Many companies build their whole business around OSS and its development. Some companies dip into the OS community for particular pieces of information and code. Google uses OSS extensively but does contribute back most of it enhancements, either as free code or OS code...like the browser Chrome to Chromium. Facebook has contributed much as it is built upon open source software. Neo4j, graphic database is one of a number of DBs: (http://www.neo4j.org/?gclid=CIrXmpmokrwCFc9afgodIXoAfg) and then there is Microsoft. It contributed heavily in building OpenSuse Linux, adding VS and C# to Linux in the form of Mono: (http://mono-project.com/Main_Page) and of course their Hyper-V server: (http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/evalcenter/dn205299.aspx). One company who has heavily relied on the OSS community and appears to have made little contribution back to it, is Amazon. The following article speaks to those concerns: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/01/22/amazon_open_source_investigation/ Jim From accessd at shaw.ca Wed Jan 22 12:36:58 2014 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2014 11:36:58 -0700 (MST) Subject: [dba-Tech] Big money and big data In-Reply-To: <1402192551.129151291.1390413843629.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: <435542097.129196457.1390415818924.JavaMail.root@cds002> In the database community there is a divide showing and that is between those who program in traditional SQL type databases and those who use the new big data tools. It is not just in split between developer in database types but also in Open Source versus proprietary. According to the following article a full-time programmer in the traditional databases can expect a wage in the 50 to 60K bracket while the medium salary for those is big data development can expect a salary around 120K...double. http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/big-data-analytics/data-scientists-can-find-big-money-in-open-source/#. If I was a young boy or girl going into database industry what direction would I naturally take? Jim From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Wed Jan 22 19:32:11 2014 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2014 17:32:11 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Virtual Box Problem Message-ID: <987EC4F796BB4408AD2E1F4189570934@HAL9007> Dear Lists: I posted about this already but maybe I can make the problem clearer (as I have spent a few more hours futzing around to no avail). I got Oracle VM Virtual Box quite a while ago to play with but had no application at the time - just wanted to see what it was all about. I set up a Windows XP VM, cloned it and set up an Office 2007 VM. It had no problem establishing a network connection and sharing the host HD. Now I need to set up a W7 VM (or Vista) with Office 2010 and Office 2013. Problem is when I create a VM and install Vista or W7, there's no network connection. I'm pretty sure the VM has the adapter configured correctly - looks the same as the Devices dialog box on the XP VM. And I installed Guest Additions but I think that's to no avail if I haven't got a network connecting. But the OS (both Vista and W7) says no networks are available and I need to install driver software for my Ethernet controller. I'm stumped. Without a network connection I can't get to my host C drive, and of course, not to the internets for updates, etc. Any ideas on how to get these bad boys in the air? MMTIA Rocky From fuller.artful at gmail.com Thu Jan 23 03:15:26 2014 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2014 04:15:26 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] FireFox question Message-ID: It's been a while since I've used FireFox, so please forgive this question. I want to open several tabs to my regularly-visited spots then save that configuration as my startup. I can't remember how to do it. Can someone remind me? Thanks. -- Arthur From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk Thu Jan 23 03:18:23 2014 From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2014 09:18:23 +0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] FireFox question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB082959C625701C3@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk> Whats firefox? (<: Martin -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: 23 January 2014 09:15 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] FireFox question It's been a while since I've used FireFox, so please forgive this question. I want to open several tabs to my regularly-visited spots then save that configuration as my startup. I can't remember how to do it. Can someone remind me? Thanks. -- Arthur _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From carbonnb at gmail.com Thu Jan 23 06:53:54 2014 From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2014 07:53:54 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] FireFox question In-Reply-To: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB082959C625701C3@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk> References: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB082959C625701C3@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk> Message-ID: Couple of ways to do it., Start by opening all the tabs you want to always have open, then: 1) Right click on each tab and select pin tab 2) FireFox menu in Top Left | Options | Options | General Tab. Click the Use Current Pages button below the HomePage text box. On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 4:18 AM, Martin Reid wrote: > Whats firefox? (<: > > Martin > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller > Sent: 23 January 2014 09:15 > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: [dba-Tech] FireFox question > > It's been a while since I've used FireFox, so please forgive this question. > I want to open several tabs to my regularly-visited spots then save that configuration as my startup. I can't remember how to do it. Can someone remind me? > > Thanks. > > -- > Arthur > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "What a great ride!" From fuller.artful at gmail.com Thu Jan 23 08:04:09 2014 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2014 09:04:09 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Want to be an animator? In-Reply-To: <1824781694.128654723.1390368645874.JavaMail.root@cds002> References: <137795107.128633145.1390366458570.JavaMail.root@cds002> <1824781694.128654723.1390368645874.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: Jim, That's pretty cool. I've always wondered how to build stuff like that. Unfortunately, I don't think that I have much visual talent. But my brother does. I think I'll forward this to him. Arthur From fuller.artful at gmail.com Thu Jan 23 13:13:15 2014 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2014 14:13:15 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] FireFox question In-Reply-To: References: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB082959C625701C3@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk> Message-ID: Thanks, Bryan. A. On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 7:53 AM, Bryan Carbonnell wrote: > Couple of ways to do it., > > Start by opening all the tabs you want to always have open, then: > > 1) Right click on each tab and select pin tab > 2) FireFox menu in Top Left | Options | Options | General Tab. Click > the Use Current Pages button below the HomePage text box. > > > > On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 4:18 AM, Martin Reid wrote: > > Whats firefox? (<: > > > > Martin > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto: > dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller > > Sent: 23 January 2014 09:15 > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > Subject: [dba-Tech] FireFox question > > > > It's been a while since I've used FireFox, so please forgive this > question. > > I want to open several tabs to my regularly-visited spots then save that > configuration as my startup. I can't remember how to do it. Can someone > remind me? > > > > Thanks. > > > > -- > > Arthur > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > -- > Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com > Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well > preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, > shouting "What a great ride!" > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Arthur From fuller.artful at gmail.com Thu Jan 23 13:37:37 2014 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2014 14:37:37 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] FireFox question In-Reply-To: References: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB082959C625701C3@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk> Message-ID: I really like the menu-compression concept behind the top-left FireFox dropdown. Everything you need concerning FF itself is right there, but hidden until you need it --- leaving the whole rest of the screen to My information, rather than FF's. This is way better than the traditional (dated) way of doing it, with an ever-present menu taking up real estate. This approach makes so much more sense. Next app I build or rebuild, I'm going to follow this lead. Arthur On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 2:13 PM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > Thanks, Bryan. > > A. > From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Thu Jan 23 14:43:52 2014 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2014 12:43:52 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] VirtualBox Message-ID: OK - I'm frustrated with Virtual Box. Any opinions on VM Ware or Windows Virtual PC as an alternative? TIA Rocky' _____ From: Rocky Smolin [mailto:rockysmolin at bchacc.com] Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 10:54 PM To: List (dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com); 'Off Topic' Subject: VirtualBox Dear List: I need to set up two virtual machines - one Office 2010 pro, one Office 2013 pro, for testing. I used Oracle's VM Virtual Box to create a 2007 machine. But I cannot remember how I got it to 'see' the DVD drive on my comp - the host. Obviously, I did it because I set up a virtual machine with Office 2007, but dipped if I can remember how and get it done for 2010 and 2013. Can someone give me a lead on this? MTIA Rocky From accessd at shaw.ca Thu Jan 23 14:57:24 2014 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2014 13:57:24 -0700 (MST) Subject: [dba-Tech] FireFox question In-Reply-To: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB082959C625701C3@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk> Message-ID: <1112206279.130487553.1390510644123.JavaMail.root@cds002> The best program you can download with IE. ;-) Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martin Reid" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2014 1:18:23 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] FireFox question Whats firefox? (<: Martin -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: 23 January 2014 09:15 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: [dba-Tech] FireFox question It's been a while since I've used FireFox, so please forgive this question. I want to open several tabs to my regularly-visited spots then save that configuration as my startup. I can't remember how to do it. Can someone remind me? Thanks. -- Arthur _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From carbonnb at gmail.com Thu Jan 23 15:33:29 2014 From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2014 16:33:29 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] VirtualBox In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I use VMWare Fusion on my Mac and love it. Got a corporate windows 7 VM a Linux VM. I also used an older version of VMWare on widows a few years back with no issues. B On Jan 23, 2014 3:44 PM, "Rocky Smolin" wrote: > OK - I'm frustrated with Virtual Box. Any opinions on VM Ware or Windows > Virtual PC as an alternative? > > TIA > > Rocky' > > > _____ > > From: Rocky Smolin [mailto:rockysmolin at bchacc.com] > Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 10:54 PM > To: List (dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com); 'Off Topic' > Subject: VirtualBox > > > Dear List: > > I need to set up two virtual machines - one Office 2010 pro, one Office > 2013 > pro, for testing. I used Oracle's VM Virtual Box to create a 2007 machine. > But I cannot remember how I got it to 'see' the DVD drive on my comp - the > host. Obviously, I did it because I set up a virtual machine with Office > 2007, but dipped if I can remember how and get it done for 2010 and 2013. > > Can someone give me a lead on this? > > MTIA > > Rocky > > _______________________________________________ > dba-OT mailing list > dba-OT at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-ot > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From mcp2004 at mail.ru Fri Jan 24 06:07:50 2014 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2014 16:07:50 +0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?Want_to_be_an_animator=3F?= In-Reply-To: <1824781694.128654723.1390368645874.JavaMail.root@cds002> References: <137795107.128633145.1390366458570.JavaMail.root@cds002> <1824781694.128654723.1390368645874.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: <1390565270.481431638@f101.i.mail.ru> Hi Jim -- AFAIS Blender is written using C, C++ and Python. Great. See also: https://developer.blender.org/ http://nicholasbishop.net/?page_id=20 BTW, Blender's author? Nicholas Bishop ?seems to be?also working on/for http://www.makerbot.com/makerware/ Thank you. -- Shamil Tuesday, January 21, 2014 10:30 PM -07:00 from Jim Lawrence : >Hi All: > >Until fairly recently, (about a year ago) there was not a great OS animation application. > >If you were in the business you would have to purchase such applications as Studiomax, XSI, Render and so on...not inexpensive to say the least. The problem was that not just one of the programs would allow a designer to create industry standards results...you would generally have to buy a suite of up to six products. > >Five years of university, to acquire a degree in arts and animation and then a potential ten grand worth of applications...not to mention the cost of the computer...the years of BYOD(?) If you went to work for an animation company, not everyone has the budget of Pixar (or the huge team of programmers), you would have to hope they could afford the latest product site licenses...many companies just can not afford to keep the development software current. > >Now there is just such an application for those of you who are starting in the business or just want to start your own contract animation studio. > >http://www.blender.org > >The application runs on all major platforms, 32 and 64bit. > >Here is a demoreel sample on what you could build using Blender: > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XZGulDxz9o > >Jim >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- ???????????? ?????? From marklbreen at gmail.com Fri Jan 24 07:39:32 2014 From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2014 13:39:32 +0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Want to be an animator? In-Reply-To: <1390565270.481431638@f101.i.mail.ru> References: <137795107.128633145.1390366458570.JavaMail.root@cds002> <1824781694.128654723.1390368645874.JavaMail.root@cds002> <1390565270.481431638@f101.i.mail.ru> Message-ID: Hello All I had a quick look at the site and noticed a bunch of videos for sale. Has anyone tried to use Blender without investing a week of their time and watching a bunch of videos? Is there a hello world for blender ? Is it way to heavy for my eleven year old son to usefully work with? On 24 January 2014 12:07, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote: > Hi Jim -- > > AFAIS Blender is written using C, C++ and Python. Great. > > See also: > > https://developer.blender.org/ > > http://nicholasbishop.net/?page_id=20 > > > BTW, Blender's author Nicholas Bishop seems to be also working on/for > > http://www.makerbot.com/makerware/ > > > Thank you. > > -- Shamil > > Tuesday, January 21, 2014 10:30 PM -07:00 from Jim Lawrence < > accessd at shaw.ca>: > >Hi All: > > > >Until fairly recently, (about a year ago) there was not a great OS > animation application. > > > >If you were in the business you would have to purchase such applications > as Studiomax, XSI, Render and so on...not inexpensive to say the least. The > problem was that not just one of the programs would allow a designer to > create industry standards results...you would generally have to buy a suite > of up to six products. > > > >Five years of university, to acquire a degree in arts and animation and > then a potential ten grand worth of applications...not to mention the cost > of the computer...the years of BYOD(?) If you went to work for an animation > company, not everyone has the budget of Pixar (or the huge team of > programmers), you would have to hope they could afford the latest product > site licenses...many companies just can not afford to keep the development > software current. > > > >Now there is just such an application for those of you who are starting > in the business or just want to start your own contract animation studio. > > > >http://www.blender.org > > > >The application runs on all major platforms, 32 and 64bit. > > > >Here is a demoreel sample on what you could build using Blender: > > > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XZGulDxz9o > > > >Jim > >_______________________________________________ > >dba-Tech mailing list > >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > ???????????? ?????? > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From accessd at shaw.ca Fri Jan 24 14:16:49 2014 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2014 13:16:49 -0700 (MST) Subject: [dba-Tech] Want to be an animator? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <452580512.131594615.1390594609426.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi Mark: There are a large number of tutorials that they sell but as far as I have seen YouTube has dozens of video free for viewing and learning. For example here is a great couple of videos showing how you can generate a very realistic Ocean landscape: Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmfTCe1KDzw Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3sSZ6W7rgQ It is all pretty heady stuff to say the least but the resulting realism is incredible. It was not more than a five to ten years ago that to produce such quality results would take teams of developers and designers a month or two to reproduce and the hardware needed would be prohibitive. The first movie to use this technology was The Perfect Storm: http://ia.media-imdb.com/images/M/MV5BNzIwMTc0NTI0Nl5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTcwNTk4Mzc3Mw@@._V1_SX640_SY720_.jpg In addition there are also a number of rigs (the frame work for producing realistic characters) which can be downloaded and used. So you would like to create a Minion? Check out the following tutorial: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2uY7rjhhMs Aside: There are also a number of other great applications out there like Maxion which has a full featured learning version for those who wish to learn: http://www.maxon.net/en/home.html and then there is Morpheus 2.0 which has just finishing reaching their development requirement via crowd funding: http://www.joshburton.com/projects/morpheusDocs.asp Watch out Pixar. ;-) Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Breen" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Friday, January 24, 2014 5:39:32 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Want to be an animator? Hello All I had a quick look at the site and noticed a bunch of videos for sale. Has anyone tried to use Blender without investing a week of their time and watching a bunch of videos? Is there a hello world for blender ? Is it way to heavy for my eleven year old son to usefully work with? On 24 January 2014 12:07, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote: > Hi Jim -- > > AFAIS Blender is written using C, C++ and Python. Great. > > See also: > > https://developer.blender.org/ > > http://nicholasbishop.net/?page_id=20 > > > BTW, Blender's author Nicholas Bishop seems to be also working on/for > > http://www.makerbot.com/makerware/ > > > Thank you. > > -- Shamil > > Tuesday, January 21, 2014 10:30 PM -07:00 from Jim Lawrence < > accessd at shaw.ca>: > >Hi All: > > > >Until fairly recently, (about a year ago) there was not a great OS > animation application. > > > >If you were in the business you would have to purchase such applications > as Studiomax, XSI, Render and so on...not inexpensive to say the least. The > problem was that not just one of the programs would allow a designer to > create industry standards results...you would generally have to buy a suite > of up to six products. > > > >Five years of university, to acquire a degree in arts and animation and > then a potential ten grand worth of applications...not to mention the cost > of the computer...the years of BYOD(?) If you went to work for an animation > company, not everyone has the budget of Pixar (or the huge team of > programmers), you would have to hope they could afford the latest product > site licenses...many companies just can not afford to keep the development > software current. > > > >Now there is just such an application for those of you who are starting > in the business or just want to start your own contract animation studio. > > > >http://www.blender.org > > > >The application runs on all major platforms, 32 and 64bit. > > > >Here is a demoreel sample on what you could build using Blender: > > > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XZGulDxz9o > > > >Jim > >_______________________________________________ > >dba-Tech mailing list > >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > ???????????? ?????? > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Fri Jan 24 15:09:43 2014 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2014 14:09:43 -0700 (MST) Subject: [dba-Tech] Want to be an animator? In-Reply-To: <1390565270.481431638@f101.i.mail.ru> Message-ID: <28816273.131657670.1390597783237.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi Shamil: Thanks for the information. It is nice to see that all these new applications run on all platforms, Windows, Apple and Linux and on all chip sets. It was not many years ago when the only graphic programs ran on Apple. There are a number of new 3D printer application coming out. This will definitely revolutionise the small and large manufacturing sector. Now you can build a small factory in your back room. ;-) Just one look a Nicholas Bishop's GitHub resume lets us know we will hear a lot of him in the future. We all know C and C++ are the industry standards but it seems that Python is being used everywhere and is an excellent program for creating a great product front end. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Friday, January 24, 2014 4:07:50 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Want to be an animator? Hi Jim -- AFAIS Blender is written using C, C++ and Python. Great. See also: https://developer.blender.org/ http://nicholasbishop.net/?page_id=20 BTW, Blender's author? Nicholas Bishop ?seems to be?also working on/for http://www.makerbot.com/makerware/ Thank you. -- Shamil Tuesday, January 21, 2014 10:30 PM -07:00 from Jim Lawrence : >Hi All: > >Until fairly recently, (about a year ago) there was not a great OS animation application. > >If you were in the business you would have to purchase such applications as Studiomax, XSI, Render and so on...not inexpensive to say the least. The problem was that not just one of the programs would allow a designer to create industry standards results...you would generally have to buy a suite of up to six products. > >Five years of university, to acquire a degree in arts and animation and then a potential ten grand worth of applications...not to mention the cost of the computer...the years of BYOD(?) If you went to work for an animation company, not everyone has the budget of Pixar (or the huge team of programmers), you would have to hope they could afford the latest product site licenses...many companies just can not afford to keep the development software current. > >Now there is just such an application for those of you who are starting in the business or just want to start your own contract animation studio. > >http://www.blender.org > >The application runs on all major platforms, 32 and 64bit. > >Here is a demoreel sample on what you could build using Blender: > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XZGulDxz9o > >Jim >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- ???????????? ?????? _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Fri Jan 24 18:31:21 2014 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2014 17:31:21 -0700 (MST) Subject: [dba-Tech] Ubuntu Linux is the most secure OS In-Reply-To: <28816273.131657670.1390597783237.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: <1576366050.131850335.1390609881947.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi All: According to the UK government Ubuntu Linux 12.04 was the clear winner when it came to security. http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/linux-and-open-source/linux-the-clear-choice-for-security/?tag=nl.e099&s_cid=e099&ttag=e099&ftag=TREd8c0fa8#. The link to the full UK government evaluation is as follows: https://www.gov.uk/government/collections/end-user-devices-security-guidance--2 and Canonical's summarization graph PDF: http://insights.ubuntu.com/wp-content/uploads/UK-Gov-Report-Summary.pdf Things of course can change rapidly and there have been many improvements to Ubuntu 12.04 as the current version is now 13.10 and new improved version will be arriving in April. Rest assured Ubuntu will be striving for a perfect score but what about Windows? Jim From fuller.artful at gmail.com Fri Jan 24 23:04:30 2014 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2014 00:04:30 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Ubuntu Linux is the most secure OS In-Reply-To: <1576366050.131850335.1390609881947.JavaMail.root@cds002> References: <28816273.131657670.1390597783237.JavaMail.root@cds002> <1576366050.131850335.1390609881947.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: Jim, I haven't attempted to test its security, but I sure like Ubuntu 13.10 a lot. Very slick. Arthur From accessd at shaw.ca Sat Jan 25 01:53:20 2014 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2014 00:53:20 -0700 (MST) Subject: [dba-Tech] Ubuntu Linux is the most secure OS In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <973936603.132050120.1390636400196.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi Arthur: I have a very mixed environment here. Linux and Windows of all kinds and types. I like all my environments but Ubuntu 13.10 definitely runs faster than anything else regardless of the equipment I am using. It would be fun to have two 64bit i7 computers, with 16GB of RAM and test Windows8.1 against Ubuntu 13.10, side by side. Ubuntu is not a particularly fast version of Linux, in comparison to bare-bones Debian, CrunchBang or Arch Linux but I would suspect it would smoke any Windows version. To that end, do not hesitate to send along two 64bit i7 computers, with 16GB of RAM so I could test my assumption. ;-) Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arthur Fuller" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Friday, January 24, 2014 9:04:30 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Ubuntu Linux is the most secure OS Jim, I haven't attempted to test its security, but I sure like Ubuntu 13.10 a lot. Very slick. Arthur _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From mcp2004 at mail.ru Sat Jan 25 04:35:00 2014 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2014 14:35:00 +0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?Ubuntu_Linux_is_the_most_secure_OS?= In-Reply-To: <1576366050.131850335.1390609881947.JavaMail.root@cds002> References: <28816273.131657670.1390597783237.JavaMail.root@cds002> <1576366050.131850335.1390609881947.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: <1390646100.917163014@f435.i.mail.ru> Hi Jim -- >?what about Windows? MS Windows and MS Windows Mobile seems to be recovering: " Surface?s Solid Quarter Lends Credibility To Microsoft?s Strategic Choices" http://techcrunch.com/2014/01/23/surfaces-solid-quarter-lends-credibility-to-microsofts-strategic-choices/ -- Shamil Friday, January 24, 2014 5:31 PM -07:00 from Jim Lawrence : >Hi All: > >According to the UK government Ubuntu Linux 12.04 was the clear winner when it came to security. > >http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/linux-and-open-source/linux-the-clear-choice-for-security/?tag=nl.e099&s_cid=e099&ttag=e099&ftag=TREd8c0fa8# . > >The link to the full UK government evaluation is as follows: > >https://www.gov.uk/government/collections/end-user-devices-security-guidance--2 > >and Canonical's summarization graph PDF: > >http://insights.ubuntu.com/wp-content/uploads/UK-Gov-Report-Summary.pdf > >Things of course can change rapidly and there have been many improvements to Ubuntu 12.04 as the current version is now 13.10 and new improved version will be arriving in April. Rest assured Ubuntu will be striving for a perfect score but what about Windows? > >Jim >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- ???????????? ?????? From hans.andersen at phulse.com Sat Jan 25 04:58:17 2014 From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen) Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2014 02:58:17 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] Ubuntu Linux is the most secure OS In-Reply-To: <1390646100.917163014@f435.i.mail.ru> References: <28816273.131657670.1390597783237.JavaMail.root@cds002> <1576366050.131850335.1390609881947.JavaMail.root@cds002> <1390646100.917163014@f435.i.mail.ru> Message-ID: <4A243B09-3639-43BB-A797-2F71E6FCFFB6@phulse.com> It?s called the ?lets cross our fingers? recovery and hope that there isn?t yet another market disruption which Microsoft will be late to the game with. - Hans On Jan 25, 2014, at 2:35 AM, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote: > Hi Jim -- > >> what about Windows? > MS Windows and MS Windows Mobile seems to be recovering: " Surface?s Solid Quarter Lends Credibility To Microsoft?s Strategic Choices" > > http://techcrunch.com/2014/01/23/surfaces-solid-quarter-lends-credibility-to-microsofts-strategic-choices/ > > -- Shamil > > > Friday, January 24, 2014 5:31 PM -07:00 from Jim Lawrence : >> Hi All: >> >> According to the UK government Ubuntu Linux 12.04 was the clear winner when it came to security. >> >> http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/linux-and-open-source/linux-the-clear-choice-for-security/?tag=nl.e099&s_cid=e099&ttag=e099&ftag=TREd8c0fa8# . >> >> The link to the full UK government evaluation is as follows: >> >> https://www.gov.uk/government/collections/end-user-devices-security-guidance--2 >> >> and Canonical's summarization graph PDF: >> >> http://insights.ubuntu.com/wp-content/uploads/UK-Gov-Report-Summary.pdf >> >> Things of course can change rapidly and there have been many improvements to Ubuntu 12.04 as the current version is now 13.10 and new improved version will be arriving in April. Rest assured Ubuntu will be striving for a perfect score but what about Windows? >> >> Jim >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing list >> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > ???????????? ?????? > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From mcp2004 at mail.ru Sat Jan 25 05:05:35 2014 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2014 15:05:35 +0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?Ubuntu_Linux_is_the_most_secure_OS?= In-Reply-To: <4A243B09-3639-43BB-A797-2F71E6FCFFB6@phulse.com> References: <28816273.131657670.1390597783237.JavaMail.root@cds002> <1390646100.917163014@f435.i.mail.ru> <4A243B09-3639-43BB-A797-2F71E6FCFFB6@phulse.com> Message-ID: <1390647935.240172040@f435.i.mail.ru> Welcome back, Hans! ;) Saturday, January 25, 2014 2:58 AM -08:00 from Hans-Christian Andersen : >It?s called the ?lets cross our fingers? recovery and hope that there isn?t yet another market disruption which Microsoft will be late to the game with. > >- Hans > > >On Jan 25, 2014, at 2:35 AM, Salakhetdinov Shamil < mcp2004 at mail.ru > wrote: > >> Hi Jim -- >> >>> what about Windows? >> MS Windows and MS Windows Mobile seems to be recovering: " Surface?s Solid Quarter Lends Credibility To Microsoft?s Strategic Choices" >> >> http://techcrunch.com/2014/01/23/surfaces-solid-quarter-lends-credibility-to-microsofts-strategic-choices/ >> >> -- Shamil >> >> >> Friday, January 24, 2014 5:31 PM -07:00 from Jim Lawrence < accessd at shaw.ca >: >>> Hi All: >>> >>> According to the UK government Ubuntu Linux 12.04 was the clear winner when it came to security. >>> >>> http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/linux-and-open-source/linux-the-clear-choice-for-security/?tag=nl.e099&s_cid=e099&ttag=e099&ftag=TREd8c0fa8# . >>> >>> The link to the full UK government evaluation is as follows: >>> >>> https://www.gov.uk/government/collections/end-user-devices-security-guidance--2 >>> >>> and Canonical's summarization graph PDF: >>> >>> http://insights.ubuntu.com/wp-content/uploads/UK-Gov-Report-Summary.pdf >>> >>> Things of course can change rapidly and there have been many improvements to Ubuntu 12.04 as the current version is now 13.10 and new improved version will be arriving in April. Rest assured Ubuntu will be striving for a perfect score but what about Windows? >>> >>> Jim > > -- ???????????? ?????? From accessd at shaw.ca Sat Jan 25 11:20:26 2014 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2014 10:20:26 -0700 (MST) Subject: [dba-Tech] Ubuntu Linux is the most secure OS In-Reply-To: <1390646100.917163014@f435.i.mail.ru> Message-ID: <776890706.132289005.1390670426800.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi Shamil: That is good to see. It is not good for a market to be too one sided...where there is plenty of choice, strong competitors, great products are created. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2014 2:35:00 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Ubuntu Linux is the most secure OS Hi Jim -- >?what about Windows? MS Windows and MS Windows Mobile seems to be recovering: " Surface?s Solid Quarter Lends Credibility To Microsoft?s Strategic Choices" http://techcrunch.com/2014/01/23/surfaces-solid-quarter-lends-credibility-to-microsofts-strategic-choices/ -- Shamil Friday, January 24, 2014 5:31 PM -07:00 from Jim Lawrence : >Hi All: > >According to the UK government Ubuntu Linux 12.04 was the clear winner when it came to security. > >http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/linux-and-open-source/linux-the-clear-choice-for-security/?tag=nl.e099&s_cid=e099&ttag=e099&ftag=TREd8c0fa8# . > >The link to the full UK government evaluation is as follows: > >https://www.gov.uk/government/collections/end-user-devices-security-guidance--2 > >and Canonical's summarization graph PDF: > >http://insights.ubuntu.com/wp-content/uploads/UK-Gov-Report-Summary.pdf > >Things of course can change rapidly and there have been many improvements to Ubuntu 12.04 as the current version is now 13.10 and new improved version will be arriving in April. Rest assured Ubuntu will be striving for a perfect score but what about Windows? > >Jim >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- ???????????? ?????? _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Sat Jan 25 11:34:11 2014 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2014 10:34:11 -0700 (MST) Subject: [dba-Tech] LogMeIn is no more In-Reply-To: <776890706.132289005.1390670426800.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: <1273157452.132297380.1390671251255.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi All: Well the truth is LogMeIn is still there but now the model is pay-as-you-go. Today I will be running around to a couple of clients and replacing their remote products...but I still have not decided which one is best. I am sort of leaning towards Splashtop Remote...any thought? http://www.infoworld.com/t/free-tools/locked-out-of-logmein-check-out-these-free-alternatives-234812 Jim From gustav at cactus.dk Sat Jan 25 11:57:09 2014 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2014 18:57:09 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] LogMeIn is no more Message-ID: Hi Jim Even as a loyal user, this was such a surprise to me that I posted this to the forum: "As a help to our loyal users we'll give you 60, no 30, no 7 (seven) days to ..." Sorry, this is not a way to address loyal users. We're off. I'm quite sure the competion will know how to not pertinently address loyal users. Even after 30 years in this business, the way suppliers can address customers still surprises me. Some people are not educated, I've realized, or just plain stupid. Now, what was the name of the very interesting newcomer, you told about not so long ago, please? /gustav >>> accessd at shaw.ca 25-01-14 18:34 >>> Hi All: Well the truth is LogMeIn is still there but now the model is pay-as-you-go. Today I will be running around to a couple of clients and replacing their remote products...but I still have not decided which one is best. I am sort of leaning towards Splashtop Remote...any thought? http://www.infoworld.com/t/free-tools/locked-out-of-logmein-check-out-these-free-alternatives-234812 Jim From jason at purplecone.com Sat Jan 25 12:03:27 2014 From: jason at purplecone.com (Jason Strickland) Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2014 13:03:27 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] LogMeIn is no more In-Reply-To: <1273157452.132297380.1390671251255.JavaMail.root@cds002> References: <776890706.132289005.1390670426800.JavaMail.root@cds002> <1273157452.132297380.1390671251255.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: I use Splashtop and have no complaints. Cheap service for what I get out of it. On Jan 25, 2014 12:36 PM, "Jim Lawrence" wrote: > Hi All: > > Well the truth is LogMeIn is still there but now the model is > pay-as-you-go. Today I will be running around to a couple of clients and > replacing their remote products...but I still have not decided which one is > best. I am sort of leaning towards Splashtop Remote...any thought? > > > http://www.infoworld.com/t/free-tools/locked-out-of-logmein-check-out-these-free-alternatives-234812 > > Jim > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From kathryn at bassett.net Sat Jan 25 12:08:41 2014 From: kathryn at bassett.net (Kathryn Bassett) Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2014 10:08:41 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] LogMeIn is no more In-Reply-To: <1273157452.132297380.1390671251255.JavaMail.root@cds002> References: <776890706.132289005.1390670426800.JavaMail.root@cds002> <1273157452.132297380.1390671251255.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: While LogMeIn is still available (thanks to a week's advance notice), I got on my client's computers (and my Dad and husband), and installed TeamViewer so I could get the information from installation to add to my TeamViewer app. I'm really liking it - even better than I did LogMeIn. Faster to log on since you can save a list of the computers (with nicknames) and then just doubleclick on the name in the app and you are there. BTW, you can still do the same, as it quits on the 29th. So LogMeIn to those clients and get it done now. -- Kathryn Rhinehart Bassett (Pasadena CA) "Genealogy is my bag" "GH is my soap" kathryn at bassett.net http://bassett.net > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech- > bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence > Sent: 25 Jan 2014 9:34 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: [dba-Tech] LogMeIn is no more > > Hi All: > > Well the truth is LogMeIn is still there but now the model is pay-as-you-go. > Today I will be running around to a couple of clients and replacing their > remote products...but I still have not decided which one is best. I am sort of > leaning towards Splashtop Remote...any thought? > > http://www.infoworld.com/t/free-tools/locked-out-of-logmein-check-out- > these-free-alternatives-234812 > > Jim > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Sat Jan 25 12:30:48 2014 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2014 11:30:48 -0700 (MST) Subject: [dba-Tech] LogMeIn is no more In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <962831904.132338525.1390674648124.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi Gustav: I found out the LogMeIn was dead when my client told me it wasn't working...very upsetting and to my way of thinking not very unprofessional. It will be a while before I will endorse the product again, if ever. I had initially been interested in Splashtop remote, but according to the attached article there may be issues with firewalls and therefore routers? This will require further investigation. Splashtop remote is supposed to be very fast and also runs on all platforms so I have not abandoned its potential use yet. Teamviewer might be the more appropriate choice...any thoughts? Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gustav Brock" To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2014 9:57:09 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] LogMeIn is no more Hi Jim Even as a loyal user, this was such a surprise to me that I posted this to the forum: "As a help to our loyal users we'll give you 60, no 30, no 7 (seven) days to ..." Sorry, this is not a way to address loyal users. We're off. I'm quite sure the competion will know how to not pertinently address loyal users. Even after 30 years in this business, the way suppliers can address customers still surprises me. Some people are not educated, I've realized, or just plain stupid. Now, what was the name of the very interesting newcomer, you told about not so long ago, please? /gustav >>> accessd at shaw.ca 25-01-14 18:34 >>> Hi All: Well the truth is LogMeIn is still there but now the model is pay-as-you-go. Today I will be running around to a couple of clients and replacing their remote products...but I still have not decided which one is best. I am sort of leaning towards Splashtop Remote...any thought? http://www.infoworld.com/t/free-tools/locked-out-of-logmein-check-out-these-free-alternatives-234812 Jim _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From gustav at cactus.dk Sat Jan 25 13:12:39 2014 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2014 20:12:39 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] LogMeIn is no more Message-ID: Hi Jim Splashtop works across firewalls if you sign up for the web access option. /gustav >>> accessd at shaw.ca 25-01-14 19:30 >>> Hi Gustav: I found out the LogMeIn was dead when my client told me it wasn't working...very upsetting and to my way of thinking not very unprofessional. It will be a while before I will endorse the product again, if ever. I had initially been interested in Splashtop remote, but according to the attached article there may be issues with firewalls and therefore routers? This will require further investigation. Splashtop remote is supposed to be very fast and also runs on all platforms so I have not abandoned its potential use yet. Teamviewer might be the more appropriate choice...any thoughts? Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gustav Brock" To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2014 9:57:09 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] LogMeIn is no more Hi Jim Even as a loyal user, this was such a surprise to me that I posted this to the forum: "As a help to our loyal users we'll give you 60, no 30, no 7 (seven) days to ..." Sorry, this is not a way to address loyal users. We're off. I'm quite sure the competion will know how to not pertinently address loyal users. Even after 30 years in this business, the way suppliers can address customers still surprises me. Some people are not educated, I've realized, or just plain stupid. Now, what was the name of the very interesting newcomer, you told about not so long ago, please? /gustav >>> accessd at shaw.ca 25-01-14 18:34 >>> Hi All: Well the truth is LogMeIn is still there but now the model is pay-as-you-go. Today I will be running around to a couple of clients and replacing their remote products...but I still have not decided which one is best. I am sort of leaning towards Splashtop Remote...any thought? http://www.infoworld.com/t/free-tools/locked-out-of-logmein-check-out-these-free-alternatives-234812 Jim From gustav at cactus.dk Sat Jan 25 13:12:39 2014 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2014 20:12:39 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] LogMeIn is no more Message-ID: Hi Jim Splashtop works across firewalls if you sign up for the web access option. /gustav >>> accessd at shaw.ca 25-01-14 19:30 >>> Hi Gustav: I found out the LogMeIn was dead when my client told me it wasn't working...very upsetting and to my way of thinking not very unprofessional. It will be a while before I will endorse the product again, if ever. I had initially been interested in Splashtop remote, but according to the attached article there may be issues with firewalls and therefore routers? This will require further investigation. Splashtop remote is supposed to be very fast and also runs on all platforms so I have not abandoned its potential use yet. Teamviewer might be the more appropriate choice...any thoughts? Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gustav Brock" To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2014 9:57:09 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] LogMeIn is no more Hi Jim Even as a loyal user, this was such a surprise to me that I posted this to the forum: "As a help to our loyal users we'll give you 60, no 30, no 7 (seven) days to ..." Sorry, this is not a way to address loyal users. We're off. I'm quite sure the competion will know how to not pertinently address loyal users. Even after 30 years in this business, the way suppliers can address customers still surprises me. Some people are not educated, I've realized, or just plain stupid. Now, what was the name of the very interesting newcomer, you told about not so long ago, please? /gustav >>> accessd at shaw.ca 25-01-14 18:34 >>> Hi All: Well the truth is LogMeIn is still there but now the model is pay-as-you-go. Today I will be running around to a couple of clients and replacing their remote products...but I still have not decided which one is best. I am sort of leaning towards Splashtop Remote...any thought? http://www.infoworld.com/t/free-tools/locked-out-of-logmein-check-out-these-free-alternatives-234812 Jim From gustav at cactus.dk Sat Jan 25 13:23:43 2014 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2014 20:23:43 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] LogMeIn is no more Message-ID: Hi Jim et all Splashtop seems to win on a simple commercial pricing where indeed TeamViewer is very limited regarding installs and "channels": 1.Simple, affordable pricing model * $60 per user per year, to remotely control an unlimited number of computers from an unlimited number of devices. And they even feature a Windows Phone app. I like that, though I'll probably never use it. /gustav >>> gustav at cactus.dk 25-01-14 20:12 >>> Hi Jim Splashtop works across firewalls if you sign up for the web access option. /gustav >>> accessd at shaw.ca 25-01-14 19:30 >>> Hi Gustav: I found out the LogMeIn was dead when my client told me it wasn't working...very upsetting and to my way of thinking not very unprofessional. It will be a while before I will endorse the product again, if ever. I had initially been interested in Splashtop remote, but according to the attached article there may be issues with firewalls and therefore routers? This will require further investigation. Splashtop remote is supposed to be very fast and also runs on all platforms so I have not abandoned its potential use yet. Teamviewer might be the more appropriate choice...any thoughts? Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gustav Brock" To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2014 9:57:09 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] LogMeIn is no more Hi Jim Even as a loyal user, this was such a surprise to me that I posted this to the forum: "As a help to our loyal users we'll give you 60, no 30, no 7 (seven) days to ..." Sorry, this is not a way to address loyal users. We're off. I'm quite sure the competion will know how to not pertinently address loyal users. Even after 30 years in this business, the way suppliers can address customers still surprises me. Some people are not educated, I've realized, or just plain stupid. Now, what was the name of the very interesting newcomer, you told about not so long ago, please? /gustav >>> accessd at shaw.ca 25-01-14 18:34 >>> Hi All: Well the truth is LogMeIn is still there but now the model is pay-as-you-go. Today I will be running around to a couple of clients and replacing their remote products...but I still have not decided which one is best. I am sort of leaning towards Splashtop Remote...any thought? http://www.infoworld.com/t/free-tools/locked-out-of-logmein-check-out-these-free-alternatives-234812 Jim From accessd at shaw.ca Sat Jan 25 14:23:05 2014 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2014 13:23:05 -0700 (MST) Subject: [dba-Tech] LogMeIn is no more In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1215319139.132409195.1390681385577.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi Kathyrn: You were more on the ball than I was....29th...a momentary retrieve(?) so I can remote in and update. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kathryn Bassett" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2014 10:08:41 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] LogMeIn is no more While LogMeIn is still available (thanks to a week's advance notice), I got on my client's computers (and my Dad and husband), and installed TeamViewer so I could get the information from installation to add to my TeamViewer app. I'm really liking it - even better than I did LogMeIn. Faster to log on since you can save a list of the computers (with nicknames) and then just doubleclick on the name in the app and you are there. BTW, you can still do the same, as it quits on the 29th. So LogMeIn to those clients and get it done now. -- Kathryn Rhinehart Bassett (Pasadena CA) "Genealogy is my bag" "GH is my soap" kathryn at bassett.net http://bassett.net > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech- > bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence > Sent: 25 Jan 2014 9:34 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: [dba-Tech] LogMeIn is no more > > Hi All: > > Well the truth is LogMeIn is still there but now the model is pay-as-you-go. > Today I will be running around to a couple of clients and replacing their > remote products...but I still have not decided which one is best. I am sort of > leaning towards Splashtop Remote...any thought? > > http://www.infoworld.com/t/free-tools/locked-out-of-logmein-check-out- > these-free-alternatives-234812 > > Jim > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Sat Jan 25 14:32:21 2014 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2014 13:32:21 -0700 (MST) Subject: [dba-Tech] LogMeIn is no more In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1840672359.132415027.1390681941660.JavaMail.root@cds002> Thanks you Gustav...I will check out the details. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gustav Brock" To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2014 11:12:39 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] LogMeIn is no more Hi Jim Splashtop works across firewalls if you sign up for the web access option. /gustav >>> accessd at shaw.ca 25-01-14 19:30 >>> Hi Gustav: I found out the LogMeIn was dead when my client told me it wasn't working...very upsetting and to my way of thinking not very unprofessional. It will be a while before I will endorse the product again, if ever. I had initially been interested in Splashtop remote, but according to the attached article there may be issues with firewalls and therefore routers? This will require further investigation. Splashtop remote is supposed to be very fast and also runs on all platforms so I have not abandoned its potential use yet. Teamviewer might be the more appropriate choice...any thoughts? Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gustav Brock" To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2014 9:57:09 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] LogMeIn is no more Hi Jim Even as a loyal user, this was such a surprise to me that I posted this to the forum: "As a help to our loyal users we'll give you 60, no 30, no 7 (seven) days to ..." Sorry, this is not a way to address loyal users. We're off. I'm quite sure the competion will know how to not pertinently address loyal users. Even after 30 years in this business, the way suppliers can address customers still surprises me. Some people are not educated, I've realized, or just plain stupid. Now, what was the name of the very interesting newcomer, you told about not so long ago, please? /gustav >>> accessd at shaw.ca 25-01-14 18:34 >>> Hi All: Well the truth is LogMeIn is still there but now the model is pay-as-you-go. Today I will be running around to a couple of clients and replacing their remote products...but I still have not decided which one is best. I am sort of leaning towards Splashtop Remote...any thought? http://www.infoworld.com/t/free-tools/locked-out-of-logmein-check-out-these-free-alternatives-234812 Jim _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Sat Jan 25 14:36:51 2014 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2014 13:36:51 -0700 (MST) Subject: [dba-Tech] LogMeIn is no more In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <454268728.132418060.1390682211625.JavaMail.root@cds002> Thanks for the recommendation Jason. So far Splashtop Remote is in the lead. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jason Strickland" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2014 10:03:27 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] LogMeIn is no more I use Splashtop and have no complaints. Cheap service for what I get out of it. On Jan 25, 2014 12:36 PM, "Jim Lawrence" wrote: > Hi All: > > Well the truth is LogMeIn is still there but now the model is > pay-as-you-go. Today I will be running around to a couple of clients and > replacing their remote products...but I still have not decided which one is > best. I am sort of leaning towards Splashtop Remote...any thought? > > > http://www.infoworld.com/t/free-tools/locked-out-of-logmein-check-out-these-free-alternatives-234812 > > Jim > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Sat Jan 25 14:43:59 2014 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2014 13:43:59 -0700 (MST) Subject: [dba-Tech] LogMeIn is no more In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <811805588.132422405.1390682639123.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi Gustav: It looks like that may be the best quick answer. As for any large sites maybe a OpenVPN server (http://openvpn.net) on the client's server may be the best long term answer and from there, I can just RDP in or connect via the shares to all the stations. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gustav Brock" To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2014 11:23:43 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] LogMeIn is no more Hi Jim et all Splashtop seems to win on a simple commercial pricing where indeed TeamViewer is very limited regarding installs and "channels": 1.Simple, affordable pricing model * $60 per user per year, to remotely control an unlimited number of computers from an unlimited number of devices. And they even feature a Windows Phone app. I like that, though I'll probably never use it. /gustav >>> gustav at cactus.dk 25-01-14 20:12 >>> Hi Jim Splashtop works across firewalls if you sign up for the web access option. /gustav >>> accessd at shaw.ca 25-01-14 19:30 >>> Hi Gustav: I found out the LogMeIn was dead when my client told me it wasn't working...very upsetting and to my way of thinking not very unprofessional. It will be a while before I will endorse the product again, if ever. I had initially been interested in Splashtop remote, but according to the attached article there may be issues with firewalls and therefore routers? This will require further investigation. Splashtop remote is supposed to be very fast and also runs on all platforms so I have not abandoned its potential use yet. Teamviewer might be the more appropriate choice...any thoughts? Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gustav Brock" To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2014 9:57:09 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] LogMeIn is no more Hi Jim Even as a loyal user, this was such a surprise to me that I posted this to the forum: "As a help to our loyal users we'll give you 60, no 30, no 7 (seven) days to ..." Sorry, this is not a way to address loyal users. We're off. I'm quite sure the competion will know how to not pertinently address loyal users. Even after 30 years in this business, the way suppliers can address customers still surprises me. Some people are not educated, I've realized, or just plain stupid. Now, what was the name of the very interesting newcomer, you told about not so long ago, please? /gustav >>> accessd at shaw.ca 25-01-14 18:34 >>> Hi All: Well the truth is LogMeIn is still there but now the model is pay-as-you-go. Today I will be running around to a couple of clients and replacing their remote products...but I still have not decided which one is best. I am sort of leaning towards Splashtop Remote...any thought? http://www.infoworld.com/t/free-tools/locked-out-of-logmein-check-out-these-free-alternatives-234812 Jim _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From gustav at cactus.dk Sat Jan 25 15:59:38 2014 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2014 22:59:38 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] LogMeIn is no more Message-ID: Hi Jim I'm not sure. I just tried to install it on a WinXP machine and remote control that from my Win8.1 Desktop. It is so slow over a 2 Mb/s line that it is useless, much slower than even VNC. The Windows App doesn't work at all. What about OpenVPN? It seems to require that you run a server of your own? /gustav >>> accessd at shaw.ca 25-01-14 21:43 >>> Hi Gustav: It looks like that may be the best quick answer. As for any large sites maybe a OpenVPN server (http://openvpn.net) on the client's server may be the best long term answer and from there, I can just RDP in or connect via the shares to all the stations. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gustav Brock" To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2014 11:23:43 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] LogMeIn is no more Hi Jim et all Splashtop seems to win on a simple commercial pricing where indeed TeamViewer is very limited regarding installs and "channels": 1.Simple, affordable pricing model * $60 per user per year, to remotely control an unlimited number of computers from an unlimited number of devices. And they even feature a Windows Phone app. I like that, though I'll probably never use it. /gustav >>> gustav at cactus.dk 25-01-14 20:12 >>> Hi Jim Splashtop works across firewalls if you sign up for the web access option. /gustav >>> accessd at shaw.ca 25-01-14 19:30 >>> Hi Gustav: I found out the LogMeIn was dead when my client told me it wasn't working...very upsetting and to my way of thinking not very unprofessional. It will be a while before I will endorse the product again, if ever. I had initially been interested in Splashtop remote, but according to the attached article there may be issues with firewalls and therefore routers? This will require further investigation. Splashtop remote is supposed to be very fast and also runs on all platforms so I have not abandoned its potential use yet. Teamviewer might be the more appropriate choice...any thoughts? Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gustav Brock" To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2014 9:57:09 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] LogMeIn is no more Hi Jim Even as a loyal user, this was such a surprise to me that I posted this to the forum: "As a help to our loyal users we'll give you 60, no 30, no 7 (seven) days to ..." Sorry, this is not a way to address loyal users. We're off. I'm quite sure the competion will know how to not pertinently address loyal users. Even after 30 years in this business, the way suppliers can address customers still surprises me. Some people are not educated, I've realized, or just plain stupid. Now, what was the name of the very interesting newcomer, you told about not so long ago, please? /gustav >>> accessd at shaw.ca 25-01-14 18:34 >>> Hi All: Well the truth is LogMeIn is still there but now the model is pay-as-you-go. Today I will be running around to a couple of clients and replacing their remote products...but I still have not decided which one is best. I am sort of leaning towards Splashtop Remote...any thought? http://www.infoworld.com/t/free-tools/locked-out-of-logmein-check-out-these-free-alternatives-234812 Jim From accessd at shaw.ca Sat Jan 25 17:29:33 2014 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2014 16:29:33 -0700 (MST) Subject: [dba-Tech] LogMeIn is no more In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <511253548.132504723.1390692573680.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi Gustav: I had OpenVPN running from a (Linux) server at my home and found the performance was more the adequate in allowing me to access all networks station (Linux and Windows), from another city. If you tried to run an OpenVPN server on just an old XP box, one on which requires a extra translation layer, it was surprising that it actually worked at all. ;-) XP runs an OpenVPN client just fine though. The application of course is going to be much slower than an app like Splashtop Desktop where only keyboard type inputs are sent one way and images are sent the other. A VPN is an encrypted tunnel...with a lot more overhead...privacy and security is the expectation. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gustav Brock" To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2014 1:59:38 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] LogMeIn is no more Hi Jim I'm not sure. I just tried to install it on a WinXP machine and remote control that from my Win8.1 Desktop. It is so slow over a 2 Mb/s line that it is useless, much slower than even VNC. The Windows App doesn't work at all. What about OpenVPN? It seems to require that you run a server of your own? /gustav >>> accessd at shaw.ca 25-01-14 21:43 >>> Hi Gustav: It looks like that may be the best quick answer. As for any large sites maybe a OpenVPN server (http://openvpn.net) on the client's server may be the best long term answer and from there, I can just RDP in or connect via the shares to all the stations. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gustav Brock" To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2014 11:23:43 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] LogMeIn is no more Hi Jim et all Splashtop seems to win on a simple commercial pricing where indeed TeamViewer is very limited regarding installs and "channels": 1.Simple, affordable pricing model * $60 per user per year, to remotely control an unlimited number of computers from an unlimited number of devices. And they even feature a Windows Phone app. I like that, though I'll probably never use it. /gustav >>> gustav at cactus.dk 25-01-14 20:12 >>> Hi Jim Splashtop works across firewalls if you sign up for the web access option. /gustav >>> accessd at shaw.ca 25-01-14 19:30 >>> Hi Gustav: I found out the LogMeIn was dead when my client told me it wasn't working...very upsetting and to my way of thinking not very unprofessional. It will be a while before I will endorse the product again, if ever. I had initially been interested in Splashtop remote, but according to the attached article there may be issues with firewalls and therefore routers? This will require further investigation. Splashtop remote is supposed to be very fast and also runs on all platforms so I have not abandoned its potential use yet. Teamviewer might be the more appropriate choice...any thoughts? Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gustav Brock" To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2014 9:57:09 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] LogMeIn is no more Hi Jim Even as a loyal user, this was such a surprise to me that I posted this to the forum: "As a help to our loyal users we'll give you 60, no 30, no 7 (seven) days to ..." Sorry, this is not a way to address loyal users. We're off. I'm quite sure the competion will know how to not pertinently address loyal users. Even after 30 years in this business, the way suppliers can address customers still surprises me. Some people are not educated, I've realized, or just plain stupid. Now, what was the name of the very interesting newcomer, you told about not so long ago, please? /gustav >>> accessd at shaw.ca 25-01-14 18:34 >>> Hi All: Well the truth is LogMeIn is still there but now the model is pay-as-you-go. Today I will be running around to a couple of clients and replacing their remote products...but I still have not decided which one is best. I am sort of leaning towards Splashtop Remote...any thought? http://www.infoworld.com/t/free-tools/locked-out-of-logmein-check-out-these-free-alternatives-234812 Jim _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Sat Jan 25 18:00:43 2014 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2014 17:00:43 -0700 (MST) Subject: [dba-Tech] FreeRDP coonects to a Hyper-V server In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <252045868.132520215.1390694443674.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi All: It appears that link I posted about using FreeRDP to connected to the Hyper-V server remotely was a little dated. The initial design required a source FreeRDP file be download and re-compile. That requirement is so 2012. Since then the additional enhancements that Microsoft had added to RDP server on the Hyper-V server has been reproduced and implemented on a completed version of FreeRDP and now can just be downloaded and ran: http://www.freerdp.com Now a user will be able to login remotely from any Windows, Apple or Linux PC and also connect via iOS iPhone and Android client. Still no Windows Phone client but it is just waiting for some bright programmer to build that component and get industry recognition, with their name added to the freerdp GitHub project. (https://github.com/FreeRDP/FreeRDP) Aside: GitHub recognition is way that young programmers demonstrate their skills. If you now want to apply for a job in the industry, you had better have one or a few good projects for show. If you have mastered some development technology it will draw companies from all over the globe. Many developers have got their start on some GitHub project and have been subsequently picked up by a startup or ended up on some big project or even ended up working for some of the major computer companies. It can either be contract work or a full-time gig, working remotely or onsite. How things have changed in the last five years. :-) Jim From accessd at shaw.ca Sat Jan 25 22:20:29 2014 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2014 21:20:29 -0700 (MST) Subject: [dba-Tech] Incredible kid In-Reply-To: <252045868.132520215.1390694443674.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: <515737318.132631080.1390710029853.JavaMail.root@cds002> Here is a link to an incredible kid who came from Sierra Leone builds his own electronics from junk. He built his own radio station and shares his channel on the internet as well. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOLOLrUBRBY Jim From gustav at cactus.dk Sun Jan 26 03:18:48 2014 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2014 10:18:48 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Incredible kid Message-ID: Hi Jim Great! It reminds me of my younger days when I dissambled old radios to find out how the worked (well, after that they didn't) and built, say, an "echo chamber" from a small speaker from a transistor radio, a selfmade spring from cobber wire, and an crystal pickup with worn-out needle from a record player. It worked but the sound was, of course, awful. Or the famous scene from Apollo 13 where the chief engineer presents to the team of engineers a table with replicas of "what parts we have available in the capsule - assemble these to fix the oxygen supply within x hours." /gustav >>> accessd at shaw.ca 26-01-14 5:20 >>> Here is a link to an incredible kid who came from Sierra Leone builds his own electronics from junk. He built his own radio station and shares his channel on the internet as well. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOLOLrUBRBY Jim From gustav at cactus.dk Sun Jan 26 03:22:23 2014 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2014 10:22:23 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] FreeRDP coonects to a Hyper-V server Message-ID: Hi Jim RDP works very well in a controlled environment. The issue is when trying to reach foreign corporate environments that several layers of firewalls blocks the 3389 port or even the protocol itself. /gustav >>> accessd at shaw.ca 26-01-14 1:00 >>> Hi All: It appears that link I posted about using FreeRDP to connected to the Hyper-V server remotely was a little dated. The initial design required a source FreeRDP file be download and re-compile. That requirement is so 2012. Since then the additional enhancements that Microsoft had added to RDP server on the Hyper-V server has been reproduced and implemented on a completed version of FreeRDP and now can just be downloaded and ran: http://www.freerdp.com Now a user will be able to login remotely from any Windows, Apple or Linux PC and also connect via iOS iPhone and Android client. Still no Windows Phone client but it is just waiting for some bright programmer to build that component and get industry recognition, with their name added to the freerdp GitHub project. (https://github.com/FreeRDP/FreeRDP) Aside: GitHub recognition is way that young programmers demonstrate their skills. If you now want to apply for a job in the industry, you had better have one or a few good projects for show. If you have mastered some development technology it will draw companies from all over the globe. Many developers have got their start on some GitHub project and have been subsequently picked up by a startup or ended up on some big project or even ended up working for some of the major computer companies. It can either be contract work or a full-time gig, working remotely or onsite. How things have changed in the last five years. :-) Jim From gustav at cactus.dk Sun Jan 26 03:29:45 2014 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2014 10:29:45 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] LogMeIn is no more Message-ID: Hi Jim No it was Splashtop I checked out. On that old WinXp host it takes 1:45 to open a tiny text file, render it, and close it again. With LogMeIn on that machine you can perform normal tasks though not speedy. This is across a 2 Mb/s WAN. RDP runs at close to normal working speed. I noticed that when Splashtop open the connection to the machine, the splashtop service at once goes to 95% CPU usage where LogMeIn would stay at a few percent. I have yet to test Teamviewer, but the license model is very inflexible. /gustav >>> accessd at shaw.ca 26-01-14 0:29 >>> Hi Gustav: I had OpenVPN running from a (Linux) server at my home and found the performance was more the adequate in allowing me to access all networks station (Linux and Windows), from another city. If you tried to run an OpenVPN server on just an old XP box, one on which requires a extra translation layer, it was surprising that it actually worked at all. ;-) XP runs an OpenVPN client just fine though. The application of course is going to be much slower than an app like Splashtop Desktop where only keyboard type inputs are sent one way and images are sent the other. A VPN is an encrypted tunnel...with a lot more overhead...privacy and security is the expectation. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gustav Brock" To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2014 1:59:38 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] LogMeIn is no more Hi Jim I'm not sure. I just tried to install it on a WinXP machine and remote control that from my Win8.1 Desktop. It is so slow over a 2 Mb/s line that it is useless, much slower than even VNC. The Windows App doesn't work at all. What about OpenVPN? It seems to require that you run a server of your own? /gustav >>> accessd at shaw.ca 25-01-14 21:43 >>> Hi Gustav: It looks like that may be the best quick answer. As for any large sites maybe a OpenVPN server (http://openvpn.net) on the client's server may be the best long term answer and from there, I can just RDP in or connect via the shares to all the stations. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gustav Brock" To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2014 11:23:43 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] LogMeIn is no more Hi Jim et all Splashtop seems to win on a simple commercial pricing where indeed TeamViewer is very limited regarding installs and "channels": 1.Simple, affordable pricing model * $60 per user per year, to remotely control an unlimited number of computers from an unlimited number of devices. And they even feature a Windows Phone app. I like that, though I'll probably never use it. /gustav >>> gustav at cactus.dk 25-01-14 20:12 >>> Hi Jim Splashtop works across firewalls if you sign up for the web access option. /gustav >>> accessd at shaw.ca 25-01-14 19:30 >>> Hi Gustav: I found out the LogMeIn was dead when my client told me it wasn't working...very upsetting and to my way of thinking not very unprofessional. It will be a while before I will endorse the product again, if ever. I had initially been interested in Splashtop remote, but according to the attached article there may be issues with firewalls and therefore routers? This will require further investigation. Splashtop remote is supposed to be very fast and also runs on all platforms so I have not abandoned its potential use yet. Teamviewer might be the more appropriate choice...any thoughts? Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gustav Brock" To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2014 9:57:09 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] LogMeIn is no more Hi Jim Even as a loyal user, this was such a surprise to me that I posted this to the forum: "As a help to our loyal users we'll give you 60, no 30, no 7 (seven) days to ..." Sorry, this is not a way to address loyal users. We're off. I'm quite sure the competion will know how to not pertinently address loyal users. Even after 30 years in this business, the way suppliers can address customers still surprises me. Some people are not educated, I've realized, or just plain stupid. Now, what was the name of the very interesting newcomer, you told about not so long ago, please? /gustav >>> accessd at shaw.ca 25-01-14 18:34 >>> Hi All: Well the truth is LogMeIn is still there but now the model is pay-as-you-go. Today I will be running around to a couple of clients and replacing their remote products...but I still have not decided which one is best. I am sort of leaning towards Splashtop Remote...any thought? http://www.infoworld.com/t/free-tools/locked-out-of-logmein-check-out-these-free-alternatives-234812 Jim _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Sun Jan 26 11:55:54 2014 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2014 10:55:54 -0700 (MST) Subject: [dba-Tech] Incredible kid In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <63199917.132908253.1390758954482.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi Gustav: So you must have a Raspberry PI or maybe more. There are now so many addins and addons, software and hardware, to this product. There are forums where you can download or upload code and plans for building all sort of interfaces. The graduating students, at the local college, in the electronic and engineering programs have to assemble a new product before their final year. Many now have a RPI as the core. The May, graduating exhibit has always been an event I attend. I am not as much into the hardware end of things though I have been able to assemble computers easily enough but laptops are too small for me...eyes and all. A friend, who is much more into electronics, has built a home automation system through out his house, built a controller for a 3D metal cutter, enhanced his 3D printer and created a dashboard display for his electric car...Raspberries have now played an integral part. I was thinking of taking an electronics course, up at the college and the university as I have a little more time and that area of knowledge is a little weak and there has been so many advances lately...all that will now have to wait until next fall. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gustav Brock" To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2014 1:18:48 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Incredible kid Hi Jim Great! It reminds me of my younger days when I dissambled old radios to find out how the worked (well, after that they didn't) and built, say, an "echo chamber" from a small speaker from a transistor radio, a selfmade spring from cobber wire, and an crystal pickup with worn-out needle from a record player. It worked but the sound was, of course, awful. Or the famous scene from Apollo 13 where the chief engineer presents to the team of engineers a table with replicas of "what parts we have available in the capsule - assemble these to fix the oxygen supply within x hours." /gustav >>> accessd at shaw.ca 26-01-14 5:20 >>> Here is a link to an incredible kid who came from Sierra Leone builds his own electronics from junk. He built his own radio station and shares his channel on the internet as well. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOLOLrUBRBY Jim _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sun Jan 26 12:18:33 2014 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2014 13:18:33 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Incredible kid In-Reply-To: <63199917.132908253.1390758954482.JavaMail.root@cds002> References: <63199917.132908253.1390758954482.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: Jim, That's a great idea! I too have lots of time on my hands now and have been looking for something to do with it. A course in electronics sounds like the perfect outlet. Like you (and perhaps more so), I think I'll scout around the local schools and see what's available. I don't want to do an on-line course, although that might be a good place to start, to re-familiarize myself with the terminology etc. Arthur On Sun, Jan 26, 2014 at 12:55 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Hi Gustav: > > So you must have a Raspberry PI or maybe more. There are now so many > addins and addons, software and hardware, to this product. There are forums > where you can download or upload code and plans for building all sort of > interfaces. > > The graduating students, at the local college, in the electronic and > engineering programs have to assemble a new product before their final > year. Many now have a RPI as the core. The May, graduating exhibit has > always been an event I attend. > > I am not as much into the hardware end of things though I have been able > to assemble computers easily enough but laptops are too small for me...eyes > and all. A friend, who is much more into electronics, has built a home > automation system through out his house, built a controller for a 3D metal > cutter, enhanced his 3D printer and created a dashboard display for his > electric car...Raspberries have now played an integral part. > > I was thinking of taking an electronics course, up at the college and the > university as I have a little more time and that area of knowledge is a > little weak and there has been so many advances lately...all that will now > have to wait until next fall. > > Jim From accessd at shaw.ca Sun Jan 26 12:51:17 2014 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2014 11:51:17 -0700 (MST) Subject: [dba-Tech] FreeRDP coonects to a Hyper-V server In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1670204725.132940817.1390762277049.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi Gustav: That is a definite problem. I would think that issue would affect Windows connecting to a Hyper-V server as well. Adding another open port to the router can be issue but that has to be done for any database anyway and as long as there is a listener intercepting transmissions, on the port, it should not be an issue.(?) I had been using Hamachi as a simple transport and VPN for any of my RDP work but that may no longer be possible. All these take-over programs work wonderfully, but they have limits and/or costs and monitoring a large number of sites can become very expensive. I will be working on a solution to that. Tested and ran Splashtop Desktop yesterday. It is a great solution for accessing computers within a local network but if you need off site remote support, that is an additional monthly charge. It also seems that the latest version of Ubuntu Linux (13.10) is not compatible which it...but 12.04 the stable long-term release works just fine...the dangers of the leading edge (bleeding edge) software. The issue should be resolved for 14.04. LogMeIns new rates, though not excessive, are just another tax at a time when many companies are running on a very tight budget and just do not want to hear about another monthly bill rate increase. So I will be looking for a product that, at least in the short term, provides remote internet support. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gustav Brock" To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2014 1:22:23 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] FreeRDP coonects to a Hyper-V server Hi Jim RDP works very well in a controlled environment. The issue is when trying to reach foreign corporate environments that several layers of firewalls blocks the 3389 port or even the protocol itself. /gustav >>> accessd at shaw.ca 26-01-14 1:00 >>> Hi All: It appears that link I posted about using FreeRDP to connected to the Hyper-V server remotely was a little dated. The initial design required a source FreeRDP file be download and re-compile. That requirement is so 2012. Since then the additional enhancements that Microsoft had added to RDP server on the Hyper-V server has been reproduced and implemented on a completed version of FreeRDP and now can just be downloaded and ran: http://www.freerdp.com Now a user will be able to login remotely from any Windows, Apple or Linux PC and also connect via iOS iPhone and Android client. Still no Windows Phone client but it is just waiting for some bright programmer to build that component and get industry recognition, with their name added to the freerdp GitHub project. (https://github.com/FreeRDP/FreeRDP) Aside: GitHub recognition is way that young programmers demonstrate their skills. If you now want to apply for a job in the industry, you had better have one or a few good projects for show. If you have mastered some development technology it will draw companies from all over the globe. Many developers have got their start on some GitHub project and have been subsequently picked up by a startup or ended up on some big project or even ended up working for some of the major computer companies. It can either be contract work or a full-time gig, working remotely or onsite. How things have changed in the last five years. :-) Jim _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Sun Jan 26 12:53:52 2014 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2014 11:53:52 -0700 (MST) Subject: [dba-Tech] LogMeIn is no more In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <653109755.132942499.1390762432978.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi Gustav: I have found similar and other issues with Splashtop Remote as well. Keep us posted on what you find out with Teamviewer. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gustav Brock" To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2014 1:29:45 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] LogMeIn is no more Hi Jim No it was Splashtop I checked out. On that old WinXp host it takes 1:45 to open a tiny text file, render it, and close it again. With LogMeIn on that machine you can perform normal tasks though not speedy. This is across a 2 Mb/s WAN. RDP runs at close to normal working speed. I noticed that when Splashtop open the connection to the machine, the splashtop service at once goes to 95% CPU usage where LogMeIn would stay at a few percent. I have yet to test Teamviewer, but the license model is very inflexible. /gustav >>> accessd at shaw.ca 26-01-14 0:29 >>> Hi Gustav: I had OpenVPN running from a (Linux) server at my home and found the performance was more the adequate in allowing me to access all networks station (Linux and Windows), from another city. If you tried to run an OpenVPN server on just an old XP box, one on which requires a extra translation layer, it was surprising that it actually worked at all. ;-) XP runs an OpenVPN client just fine though. The application of course is going to be much slower than an app like Splashtop Desktop where only keyboard type inputs are sent one way and images are sent the other. A VPN is an encrypted tunnel...with a lot more overhead...privacy and security is the expectation. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gustav Brock" To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2014 1:59:38 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] LogMeIn is no more Hi Jim I'm not sure. I just tried to install it on a WinXP machine and remote control that from my Win8.1 Desktop. It is so slow over a 2 Mb/s line that it is useless, much slower than even VNC. The Windows App doesn't work at all. What about OpenVPN? It seems to require that you run a server of your own? /gustav >>> accessd at shaw.ca 25-01-14 21:43 >>> Hi Gustav: It looks like that may be the best quick answer. As for any large sites maybe a OpenVPN server (http://openvpn.net) on the client's server may be the best long term answer and from there, I can just RDP in or connect via the shares to all the stations. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gustav Brock" To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2014 11:23:43 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] LogMeIn is no more Hi Jim et all Splashtop seems to win on a simple commercial pricing where indeed TeamViewer is very limited regarding installs and "channels": 1.Simple, affordable pricing model * $60 per user per year, to remotely control an unlimited number of computers from an unlimited number of devices. And they even feature a Windows Phone app. I like that, though I'll probably never use it. /gustav >>> gustav at cactus.dk 25-01-14 20:12 >>> Hi Jim Splashtop works across firewalls if you sign up for the web access option. /gustav >>> accessd at shaw.ca 25-01-14 19:30 >>> Hi Gustav: I found out the LogMeIn was dead when my client told me it wasn't working...very upsetting and to my way of thinking not very unprofessional. It will be a while before I will endorse the product again, if ever. I had initially been interested in Splashtop remote, but according to the attached article there may be issues with firewalls and therefore routers? This will require further investigation. Splashtop remote is supposed to be very fast and also runs on all platforms so I have not abandoned its potential use yet. Teamviewer might be the more appropriate choice...any thoughts? Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gustav Brock" To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2014 9:57:09 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] LogMeIn is no more Hi Jim Even as a loyal user, this was such a surprise to me that I posted this to the forum: "As a help to our loyal users we'll give you 60, no 30, no 7 (seven) days to ..." Sorry, this is not a way to address loyal users. We're off. I'm quite sure the competion will know how to not pertinently address loyal users. Even after 30 years in this business, the way suppliers can address customers still surprises me. Some people are not educated, I've realized, or just plain stupid. Now, what was the name of the very interesting newcomer, you told about not so long ago, please? /gustav >>> accessd at shaw.ca 25-01-14 18:34 >>> Hi All: Well the truth is LogMeIn is still there but now the model is pay-as-you-go. Today I will be running around to a couple of clients and replacing their remote products...but I still have not decided which one is best. I am sort of leaning towards Splashtop Remote...any thought? http://www.infoworld.com/t/free-tools/locked-out-of-logmein-check-out-these-free-alternatives-234812 Jim _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From gustav at cactus.dk Mon Jan 27 13:10:27 2014 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2014 20:10:27 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] LogMeIn is no more Message-ID: Hi Jim I've found Splashtop close to useless. Controlling an older XP machine takes minutes where it should take seconds. So I installed it on a local Windows 7 machine with i3 cpu, and that could be controlled with a high degree of patience but still useless for work. Then I installed TeamViewer and it rushed away at once, much like standard remote desktop and as LogMeIn does. So sadly, Splashtop may be fine for mobile devices (didn't try that, don't have the need) but not as an alternative for desktop use. /gustav >>> accessd at shaw.ca 26-01-14 19:53 >>> Hi Gustav: I have found similar and other issues with Splashtop Remote as well. Keep us posted on what you find out with Teamviewer. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gustav Brock" To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2014 1:29:45 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] LogMeIn is no more Hi Jim No it was Splashtop I checked out. On that old WinXp host it takes 1:45 to open a tiny text file, render it, and close it again. With LogMeIn on that machine you can perform normal tasks though not speedy. This is across a 2 Mb/s WAN. RDP runs at close to normal working speed. I noticed that when Splashtop open the connection to the machine, the splashtop service at once goes to 95% CPU usage where LogMeIn would stay at a few percent. I have yet to test Teamviewer, but the license model is very inflexible. /gustav >>> accessd at shaw.ca 26-01-14 0:29 >>> Hi Gustav: I had OpenVPN running from a (Linux) server at my home and found the performance was more the adequate in allowing me to access all networks station (Linux and Windows), from another city. If you tried to run an OpenVPN server on just an old XP box, one on which requires a extra translation layer, it was surprising that it actually worked at all. ;-) XP runs an OpenVPN client just fine though. The application of course is going to be much slower than an app like Splashtop Desktop where only keyboard type inputs are sent one way and images are sent the other. A VPN is an encrypted tunnel...with a lot more overhead...privacy and security is the expectation. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gustav Brock" To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2014 1:59:38 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] LogMeIn is no more Hi Jim I'm not sure. I just tried to install it on a WinXP machine and remote control that from my Win8.1 Desktop. It is so slow over a 2 Mb/s line that it is useless, much slower than even VNC. The Windows App doesn't work at all. What about OpenVPN? It seems to require that you run a server of your own? /gustav >>> accessd at shaw.ca 25-01-14 21:43 >>> Hi Gustav: It looks like that may be the best quick answer. As for any large sites maybe a OpenVPN server (http://openvpn.net) on the client's server may be the best long term answer and from there, I can just RDP in or connect via the shares to all the stations. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gustav Brock" To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2014 11:23:43 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] LogMeIn is no more Hi Jim et all Splashtop seems to win on a simple commercial pricing where indeed TeamViewer is very limited regarding installs and "channels": 1.Simple, affordable pricing model * $60 per user per year, to remotely control an unlimited number of computers from an unlimited number of devices. And they even feature a Windows Phone app. I like that, though I'll probably never use it. /gustav >>> gustav at cactus.dk 25-01-14 20:12 >>> Hi Jim Splashtop works across firewalls if you sign up for the web access option. /gustav >>> accessd at shaw.ca 25-01-14 19:30 >>> Hi Gustav: I found out the LogMeIn was dead when my client told me it wasn't working...very upsetting and to my way of thinking not very unprofessional. It will be a while before I will endorse the product again, if ever. I had initially been interested in Splashtop remote, but according to the attached article there may be issues with firewalls and therefore routers? This will require further investigation. Splashtop remote is supposed to be very fast and also runs on all platforms so I have not abandoned its potential use yet. Teamviewer might be the more appropriate choice...any thoughts? Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gustav Brock" To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2014 9:57:09 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] LogMeIn is no more Hi Jim Even as a loyal user, this was such a surprise to me that I posted this to the forum: "As a help to our loyal users we'll give you 60, no 30, no 7 (seven) days to ..." Sorry, this is not a way to address loyal users. We're off. I'm quite sure the competion will know how to not pertinently address loyal users. Even after 30 years in this business, the way suppliers can address customers still surprises me. Some people are not educated, I've realized, or just plain stupid. Now, what was the name of the very interesting newcomer, you told about not so long ago, please? /gustav >>> accessd at shaw.ca 25-01-14 18:34 >>> Hi All: Well the truth is LogMeIn is still there but now the model is pay-as-you-go. Today I will be running around to a couple of clients and replacing their remote products...but I still have not decided which one is best. I am sort of leaning towards Splashtop Remote...any thought? http://www.infoworld.com/t/free-tools/locked-out-of-logmein-check-out-these-free-alternatives-234812 Jim From jbartow at winhaven.net Mon Jan 27 13:38:37 2014 From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2014 13:38:37 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] LogMeIn is no more In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <016301cf1b97$5fcc7440$1f655cc0$@winhaven.net> I use a corporate version of TeamViewer that is built into my RMS and it works quite well. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Monday, January 27, 2014 1:10 PM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] LogMeIn is no more Hi Jim I've found Splashtop close to useless. Controlling an older XP machine takes minutes where it should take seconds. So I installed it on a local Windows 7 machine with i3 cpu, and that could be controlled with a high degree of patience but still useless for work. Then I installed TeamViewer and it rushed away at once, much like standard remote desktop and as LogMeIn does. So sadly, Splashtop may be fine for mobile devices (didn't try that, don't have the need) but not as an alternative for desktop use. /gustav >>> accessd at shaw.ca 26-01-14 19:53 >>> Hi Gustav: I have found similar and other issues with Splashtop Remote as well. Keep us posted on what you find out with Teamviewer. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gustav Brock" To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2014 1:29:45 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] LogMeIn is no more Hi Jim No it was Splashtop I checked out. On that old WinXp host it takes 1:45 to open a tiny text file, render it, and close it again. With LogMeIn on that machine you can perform normal tasks though not speedy. This is across a 2 Mb/s WAN. RDP runs at close to normal working speed. I noticed that when Splashtop open the connection to the machine, the splashtop service at once goes to 95% CPU usage where LogMeIn would stay at a few percent. I have yet to test Teamviewer, but the license model is very inflexible. /gustav >>> accessd at shaw.ca 26-01-14 0:29 >>> Hi Gustav: I had OpenVPN running from a (Linux) server at my home and found the performance was more the adequate in allowing me to access all networks station (Linux and Windows), from another city. If you tried to run an OpenVPN server on just an old XP box, one on which requires a extra translation layer, it was surprising that it actually worked at all. ;-) XP runs an OpenVPN client just fine though. The application of course is going to be much slower than an app like Splashtop Desktop where only keyboard type inputs are sent one way and images are sent the other. A VPN is an encrypted tunnel...with a lot more overhead...privacy and security is the expectation. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gustav Brock" To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2014 1:59:38 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] LogMeIn is no more Hi Jim I'm not sure. I just tried to install it on a WinXP machine and remote control that from my Win8.1 Desktop. It is so slow over a 2 Mb/s line that it is useless, much slower than even VNC. The Windows App doesn't work at all. What about OpenVPN? It seems to require that you run a server of your own? /gustav >>> accessd at shaw.ca 25-01-14 21:43 >>> Hi Gustav: It looks like that may be the best quick answer. As for any large sites maybe a OpenVPN server (http://openvpn.net) on the client's server may be the best long term answer and from there, I can just RDP in or connect via the shares to all the stations. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gustav Brock" To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2014 11:23:43 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] LogMeIn is no more Hi Jim et all Splashtop seems to win on a simple commercial pricing where indeed TeamViewer is very limited regarding installs and "channels": 1.Simple, affordable pricing model * $60 per user per year, to remotely control an unlimited number of computers from an unlimited number of devices. And they even feature a Windows Phone app. I like that, though I'll probably never use it. /gustav >>> gustav at cactus.dk 25-01-14 20:12 >>> Hi Jim Splashtop works across firewalls if you sign up for the web access option. /gustav >>> accessd at shaw.ca 25-01-14 19:30 >>> Hi Gustav: I found out the LogMeIn was dead when my client told me it wasn't working...very upsetting and to my way of thinking not very unprofessional. It will be a while before I will endorse the product again, if ever. I had initially been interested in Splashtop remote, but according to the attached article there may be issues with firewalls and therefore routers? This will require further investigation. Splashtop remote is supposed to be very fast and also runs on all platforms so I have not abandoned its potential use yet. Teamviewer might be the more appropriate choice...any thoughts? Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gustav Brock" To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2014 9:57:09 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] LogMeIn is no more Hi Jim Even as a loyal user, this was such a surprise to me that I posted this to the forum: "As a help to our loyal users we'll give you 60, no 30, no 7 (seven) days to ..." Sorry, this is not a way to address loyal users. We're off. I'm quite sure the competion will know how to not pertinently address loyal users. Even after 30 years in this business, the way suppliers can address customers still surprises me. Some people are not educated, I've realized, or just plain stupid. Now, what was the name of the very interesting newcomer, you told about not so long ago, please? /gustav >>> accessd at shaw.ca 25-01-14 18:34 >>> Hi All: Well the truth is LogMeIn is still there but now the model is pay-as-you-go. Today I will be running around to a couple of clients and replacing their remote products...but I still have not decided which one is best. I am sort of leaning towards Splashtop Remote...any thought? http://www.infoworld.com/t/free-tools/locked-out-of-logmein-check-out-these- free-alternatives-234812 Jim _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Jan 27 13:40:00 2014 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2014 12:40:00 -0700 (MST) Subject: [dba-Tech] [AccessD] The direction of data processing In-Reply-To: <1390819423.749171257@f181.i.mail.ru> Message-ID: <423333852.133887876.1390851600379.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi All: Recently heard a commentary on a package call FuseOver. (http://code.google.com/p/s3fs/wiki/FuseOverAmazon). It will supposedly connect and extend your PC (I think it is only a Linux version at the moment but tech has a way of progressing fast) into your Amazon account. You will just see that Cloud as just another mounted drive. There is supposed to be a Android app like that as well. Once mounted, just enter df (similar to dir in Windows) and you will see all the drive space that is available to you: size 256TB...now that is enough to make anyone tinkle. We would probably go broke before we filled it. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" Sent: Monday, January 27, 2014 2:43:43 AM Subject: Re: [AccessD] The direction of data processing Hi Gustav -- Yes, I've seen that Hadoop is hosted on Windows Azure but the price seems to be high(?) - and Amazon EMR ( http://aws.amazon.com/elasticmapreduce/pricing/ ) hosting proposals are more affordable? Forgot to mention - Cassandra ( http://cassandra.apache.org/ ) is the third noSQL in my list.? Thank you. -- Shamil Monday, January 27, 2014 10:55 AM +01:00 from "Gustav Brock" : >Hi Shamil > >Yes, and Hadoop even runs at Azure: > >http://www.windowsazure.com/en-us/documentation/services/hdinsight > >/gustav > >-----Oprindelig meddelelse----- >Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Salakhetdinov Shamil >Sendt: 27. januar 2014 09:38 >Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving >Emne: Re: [AccessD] The direction of data processing > >?Hi Jim and Gustav -- > ><<< >What a moment to bring a potent Oracle server on its knees. That must have been a cup of coffee you never forget. >>>> >Oracle devs are known(?) to charge their Oracle servers with long running cycled SPs utilizing cursors - wasn't that the case? >As opposed to MS SQL T-SQL devs who mainly write set-oriented data manipulation SPs - so even when processing large data volumes they keep their MS SQL Servers flying... :) > >As for NoSQL - Redis ( http://redis.io/ ) somehow keeps constantly popping-up in the IT-related stuff I'm reading - so Redis (and Hadoop) - are on first positions in my NoSQL bookmarks... > >-- Shamil > >Monday, January 27, 2014 9:13 AM +01:00 from "Gustav Brock" < gustav at cactus.dk >: >>Hi Jim >> >>For the last days I have been struggling with some updating >>pass-through queries, not Oracle but T-SQL. >>No fun. As soon as you have more than a few joins, the code turns >>nearly unreadable. I'm not very good at it, so I had to build the query >>and the joins bit by bit to not lose my feet. I never learn to love >>this. Give me C# please. >> >>What a moment to bring a potent Oracle server on its nees. That must >>have been a cup of coffee you never forget. >> >>/gustav >> >> >>-----Oprindelig meddelelse----- >>Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Jim Lawrence >>Sendt: 27. januar 2014 06:03 >>Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving >>Emne: [AccessD] The direction of data processing >> >>Hi All: >> >>I must admit that there is a bit of a preamble to but it is all aimed >>at a point and, I believe, the future in data management. >> >>Back a number of years ago, when working for a government branch that >>handled data and policy I was asked to retrieve a full set of data >>summaries and have them ready to display and/or printout at the request >>of the department head. To say the least the data was a mess. It had >>evolved for years and each time the data model was improved the data >>structure was changed and because it was easier to just make a new >>table than try and figure out how to consolidate the information in one >>table. To add to data's complexity, government policy continued to >>change and affect how data entered into the existing table. When the >>variation became too extreme time for a new table. >> >><<< tail skipped >>> >-- > > >-- >AccessD mailing list >AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- ???????????? ?????? -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Jan 27 13:45:36 2014 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2014 12:45:36 -0700 (MST) Subject: [dba-Tech] [AccessD] The direction of data processing In-Reply-To: <00a001cf1b45$f264a810$d72df830$@cactus.dk> Message-ID: <1449354510.133895753.1390851936126.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi all: ...and people complain about how difficult it is using Linux command line and bash shells. Microsoft Powershell does not take a backseat when it come to complexity: http://www.windowsazure.com/en-us/documentation/articles/hdinsight-submit-hadoop-jobs-programmatically/ We could sure use a nice GUI. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gustav Brock" To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" Sent: Monday, January 27, 2014 1:55:44 AM Subject: Re: [AccessD] The direction of data processing Hi Shamil Yes, and Hadoop even runs at Azure: http://www.windowsazure.com/en-us/documentation/services/hdinsight /gustav -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Salakhetdinov Shamil Sendt: 27. januar 2014 09:38 Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Emne: Re: [AccessD] The direction of data processing Hi Jim and Gustav -- <<< What a moment to bring a potent Oracle server on its knees. That must have been a cup of coffee you never forget. >>> Oracle devs are known(?) to charge their Oracle servers with long running cycled SPs utilizing cursors - wasn't that the case? As opposed to MS SQL T-SQL devs who mainly write set-oriented data manipulation SPs - so even when processing large data volumes they keep their MS SQL Servers flying... :) As for NoSQL - Redis ( http://redis.io/ ) somehow keeps constantly popping-up in the IT-related stuff I'm reading - so Redis (and Hadoop) - are on first positions in my NoSQL bookmarks... -- Shamil Monday, January 27, 2014 9:13 AM +01:00 from "Gustav Brock" : >Hi Jim > >For the last days I have been struggling with some updating >pass-through queries, not Oracle but T-SQL. >No fun. As soon as you have more than a few joins, the code turns >nearly unreadable. I'm not very good at it, so I had to build the query >and the joins bit by bit to not lose my feet. I never learn to love >this. Give me C# please. > >What a moment to bring a potent Oracle server on its nees. That must >have been a cup of coffee you never forget. > >/gustav > > >-----Oprindelig meddelelse----- >Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Jim Lawrence >Sendt: 27. januar 2014 06:03 >Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving >Emne: [AccessD] The direction of data processing > >Hi All: > >I must admit that there is a bit of a preamble to but it is all aimed >at a point and, I believe, the future in data management. > >Back a number of years ago, when working for a government branch that >handled data and policy I was asked to retrieve a full set of data >summaries and have them ready to display and/or printout at the request >of the department head. To say the least the data was a mess. It had >evolved for years and each time the data model was improved the data >structure was changed and because it was easier to just make a new >table than try and figure out how to consolidate the information in one >table. To add to data's complexity, government policy continued to >change and affect how data entered into the existing table. When the >variation became too extreme time for a new table. > ><<< tail skipped >>> -- -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From gustav at cactus.dk Mon Jan 27 15:31:25 2014 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2014 22:31:25 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] LogMeIn is no more Message-ID: Hi all Has anyone checked out Ammyy: http://www.ammyy.com/en/index.html Seems like a true alternative to LogMeIn. /gustav >>> gustav at cactus.dk 27-01-14 20:10 >>> Hi Jim I've found Splashtop close to useless. Controlling an older XP machine takes minutes where it should take seconds. So I installed it on a local Windows 7 machine with i3 cpu, and that could be controlled with a high degree of patience but still useless for work. Then I installed TeamViewer and it rushed away at once, much like standard remote desktop and as LogMeIn does. So sadly, Splashtop may be fine for mobile devices (didn't try that, don't have the need) but not as an alternative for desktop use. /gustav >>> accessd at shaw.ca 26-01-14 19:53 >>> Hi Gustav: I have found similar and other issues with Splashtop Remote as well. Keep us posted on what you find out with Teamviewer. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gustav Brock" To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2014 1:29:45 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] LogMeIn is no more Hi Jim No it was Splashtop I checked out. On that old WinXp host it takes 1:45 to open a tiny text file, render it, and close it again. With LogMeIn on that machine you can perform normal tasks though not speedy. This is across a 2 Mb/s WAN. RDP runs at close to normal working speed. I noticed that when Splashtop open the connection to the machine, the splashtop service at once goes to 95% CPU usage where LogMeIn would stay at a few percent. I have yet to test Teamviewer, but the license model is very inflexible. /gustav >>> accessd at shaw.ca 26-01-14 0:29 >>> Hi Gustav: I had OpenVPN running from a (Linux) server at my home and found the performance was more the adequate in allowing me to access all networks station (Linux and Windows), from another city. If you tried to run an OpenVPN server on just an old XP box, one on which requires a extra translation layer, it was surprising that it actually worked at all. ;-) XP runs an OpenVPN client just fine though. The application of course is going to be much slower than an app like Splashtop Desktop where only keyboard type inputs are sent one way and images are sent the other. A VPN is an encrypted tunnel...with a lot more overhead...privacy and security is the expectation. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gustav Brock" To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2014 1:59:38 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] LogMeIn is no more Hi Jim I'm not sure. I just tried to install it on a WinXP machine and remote control that from my Win8.1 Desktop. It is so slow over a 2 Mb/s line that it is useless, much slower than even VNC. The Windows App doesn't work at all. What about OpenVPN? It seems to require that you run a server of your own? /gustav >>> accessd at shaw.ca 25-01-14 21:43 >>> Hi Gustav: It looks like that may be the best quick answer. As for any large sites maybe a OpenVPN server (http://openvpn.net) on the client's server may be the best long term answer and from there, I can just RDP in or connect via the shares to all the stations. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gustav Brock" To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2014 11:23:43 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] LogMeIn is no more Hi Jim et all Splashtop seems to win on a simple commercial pricing where indeed TeamViewer is very limited regarding installs and "channels": 1.Simple, affordable pricing model * $60 per user per year, to remotely control an unlimited number of computers from an unlimited number of devices. And they even feature a Windows Phone app. I like that, though I'll probably never use it. /gustav >>> gustav at cactus.dk 25-01-14 20:12 >>> Hi Jim Splashtop works across firewalls if you sign up for the web access option. /gustav >>> accessd at shaw.ca 25-01-14 19:30 >>> Hi Gustav: I found out the LogMeIn was dead when my client told me it wasn't working...very upsetting and to my way of thinking not very unprofessional. It will be a while before I will endorse the product again, if ever. I had initially been interested in Splashtop remote, but according to the attached article there may be issues with firewalls and therefore routers? This will require further investigation. Splashtop remote is supposed to be very fast and also runs on all platforms so I have not abandoned its potential use yet. Teamviewer might be the more appropriate choice...any thoughts? Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gustav Brock" To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2014 9:57:09 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] LogMeIn is no more Hi Jim Even as a loyal user, this was such a surprise to me that I posted this to the forum: "As a help to our loyal users we'll give you 60, no 30, no 7 (seven) days to ..." Sorry, this is not a way to address loyal users. We're off. I'm quite sure the competion will know how to not pertinently address loyal users. Even after 30 years in this business, the way suppliers can address customers still surprises me. Some people are not educated, I've realized, or just plain stupid. Now, what was the name of the very interesting newcomer, you told about not so long ago, please? /gustav From mcp2004 at mail.ru Mon Jan 27 17:11:38 2014 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2014 03:11:38 +0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?The_RedMonk_Programming_Language_Rankings=3A?= =?utf-8?q?_January_2014?= Message-ID: <1390864298.593319969@f365.i.mail.ru> Hi All -- FYI: ? The RedMonk Programming Language Rankings: January 2014 http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2014/01/22/language-rankings-1-14/ * JavaScript (+1) * Java (-1) * PHP * C# (+2) * Python (-1) * C++ (+1) * Ruby (-2) * C * Objective-C * CSS (new) ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? .... -- ???????????? ?????? From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Jan 27 17:51:17 2014 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2014 16:51:17 -0700 (MST) Subject: [dba-Tech] LogMeIn is no more In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1565466584.134181521.1390866677263.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi Gustav: I guess we can both write off Splashtop Desktop...too bad, as it came to the market with such promise. Teamviewer it is then. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gustav Brock" To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Sent: Monday, January 27, 2014 11:10:27 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] LogMeIn is no more Hi Jim I've found Splashtop close to useless. Controlling an older XP machine takes minutes where it should take seconds. So I installed it on a local Windows 7 machine with i3 cpu, and that could be controlled with a high degree of patience but still useless for work. Then I installed TeamViewer and it rushed away at once, much like standard remote desktop and as LogMeIn does. So sadly, Splashtop may be fine for mobile devices (didn't try that, don't have the need) but not as an alternative for desktop use. /gustav >>> accessd at shaw.ca 26-01-14 19:53 >>> Hi Gustav: I have found similar and other issues with Splashtop Remote as well. Keep us posted on what you find out with Teamviewer. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gustav Brock" To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2014 1:29:45 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] LogMeIn is no more Hi Jim No it was Splashtop I checked out. On that old WinXp host it takes 1:45 to open a tiny text file, render it, and close it again. With LogMeIn on that machine you can perform normal tasks though not speedy. This is across a 2 Mb/s WAN. RDP runs at close to normal working speed. I noticed that when Splashtop open the connection to the machine, the splashtop service at once goes to 95% CPU usage where LogMeIn would stay at a few percent. I have yet to test Teamviewer, but the license model is very inflexible. /gustav >>> accessd at shaw.ca 26-01-14 0:29 >>> Hi Gustav: I had OpenVPN running from a (Linux) server at my home and found the performance was more the adequate in allowing me to access all networks station (Linux and Windows), from another city. If you tried to run an OpenVPN server on just an old XP box, one on which requires a extra translation layer, it was surprising that it actually worked at all. ;-) XP runs an OpenVPN client just fine though. The application of course is going to be much slower than an app like Splashtop Desktop where only keyboard type inputs are sent one way and images are sent the other. A VPN is an encrypted tunnel...with a lot more overhead...privacy and security is the expectation. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gustav Brock" To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2014 1:59:38 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] LogMeIn is no more Hi Jim I'm not sure. I just tried to install it on a WinXP machine and remote control that from my Win8.1 Desktop. It is so slow over a 2 Mb/s line that it is useless, much slower than even VNC. The Windows App doesn't work at all. What about OpenVPN? It seems to require that you run a server of your own? /gustav >>> accessd at shaw.ca 25-01-14 21:43 >>> Hi Gustav: It looks like that may be the best quick answer. As for any large sites maybe a OpenVPN server (http://openvpn.net) on the client's server may be the best long term answer and from there, I can just RDP in or connect via the shares to all the stations. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gustav Brock" To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2014 11:23:43 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] LogMeIn is no more Hi Jim et all Splashtop seems to win on a simple commercial pricing where indeed TeamViewer is very limited regarding installs and "channels": 1.Simple, affordable pricing model * $60 per user per year, to remotely control an unlimited number of computers from an unlimited number of devices. And they even feature a Windows Phone app. I like that, though I'll probably never use it. /gustav >>> gustav at cactus.dk 25-01-14 20:12 >>> Hi Jim Splashtop works across firewalls if you sign up for the web access option. /gustav >>> accessd at shaw.ca 25-01-14 19:30 >>> Hi Gustav: I found out the LogMeIn was dead when my client told me it wasn't working...very upsetting and to my way of thinking not very unprofessional. It will be a while before I will endorse the product again, if ever. I had initially been interested in Splashtop remote, but according to the attached article there may be issues with firewalls and therefore routers? This will require further investigation. Splashtop remote is supposed to be very fast and also runs on all platforms so I have not abandoned its potential use yet. Teamviewer might be the more appropriate choice...any thoughts? Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gustav Brock" To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2014 9:57:09 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] LogMeIn is no more Hi Jim Even as a loyal user, this was such a surprise to me that I posted this to the forum: "As a help to our loyal users we'll give you 60, no 30, no 7 (seven) days to ..." Sorry, this is not a way to address loyal users. We're off. I'm quite sure the competion will know how to not pertinently address loyal users. Even after 30 years in this business, the way suppliers can address customers still surprises me. Some people are not educated, I've realized, or just plain stupid. Now, what was the name of the very interesting newcomer, you told about not so long ago, please? /gustav >>> accessd at shaw.ca 25-01-14 18:34 >>> Hi All: Well the truth is LogMeIn is still there but now the model is pay-as-you-go. Today I will be running around to a couple of clients and replacing their remote products...but I still have not decided which one is best. I am sort of leaning towards Splashtop Remote...any thought? http://www.infoworld.com/t/free-tools/locked-out-of-logmein-check-out-these-free-alternatives-234812 Jim _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Jan 27 17:52:31 2014 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2014 16:52:31 -0700 (MST) Subject: [dba-Tech] LogMeIn is no more In-Reply-To: <016301cf1b97$5fcc7440$1f655cc0$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: <347624876.134182832.1390866751441.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi John: Teamviewer it is then. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Bartow" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Monday, January 27, 2014 11:38:37 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] LogMeIn is no more I use a corporate version of TeamViewer that is built into my RMS and it works quite well. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Monday, January 27, 2014 1:10 PM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] LogMeIn is no more Hi Jim I've found Splashtop close to useless. Controlling an older XP machine takes minutes where it should take seconds. So I installed it on a local Windows 7 machine with i3 cpu, and that could be controlled with a high degree of patience but still useless for work. Then I installed TeamViewer and it rushed away at once, much like standard remote desktop and as LogMeIn does. So sadly, Splashtop may be fine for mobile devices (didn't try that, don't have the need) but not as an alternative for desktop use. /gustav >>> accessd at shaw.ca 26-01-14 19:53 >>> Hi Gustav: I have found similar and other issues with Splashtop Remote as well. Keep us posted on what you find out with Teamviewer. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gustav Brock" To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2014 1:29:45 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] LogMeIn is no more Hi Jim No it was Splashtop I checked out. On that old WinXp host it takes 1:45 to open a tiny text file, render it, and close it again. With LogMeIn on that machine you can perform normal tasks though not speedy. This is across a 2 Mb/s WAN. RDP runs at close to normal working speed. I noticed that when Splashtop open the connection to the machine, the splashtop service at once goes to 95% CPU usage where LogMeIn would stay at a few percent. I have yet to test Teamviewer, but the license model is very inflexible. /gustav >>> accessd at shaw.ca 26-01-14 0:29 >>> Hi Gustav: I had OpenVPN running from a (Linux) server at my home and found the performance was more the adequate in allowing me to access all networks station (Linux and Windows), from another city. If you tried to run an OpenVPN server on just an old XP box, one on which requires a extra translation layer, it was surprising that it actually worked at all. ;-) XP runs an OpenVPN client just fine though. The application of course is going to be much slower than an app like Splashtop Desktop where only keyboard type inputs are sent one way and images are sent the other. A VPN is an encrypted tunnel...with a lot more overhead...privacy and security is the expectation. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gustav Brock" To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2014 1:59:38 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] LogMeIn is no more Hi Jim I'm not sure. I just tried to install it on a WinXP machine and remote control that from my Win8.1 Desktop. It is so slow over a 2 Mb/s line that it is useless, much slower than even VNC. The Windows App doesn't work at all. What about OpenVPN? It seems to require that you run a server of your own? /gustav >>> accessd at shaw.ca 25-01-14 21:43 >>> Hi Gustav: It looks like that may be the best quick answer. As for any large sites maybe a OpenVPN server (http://openvpn.net) on the client's server may be the best long term answer and from there, I can just RDP in or connect via the shares to all the stations. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gustav Brock" To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2014 11:23:43 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] LogMeIn is no more Hi Jim et all Splashtop seems to win on a simple commercial pricing where indeed TeamViewer is very limited regarding installs and "channels": 1.Simple, affordable pricing model * $60 per user per year, to remotely control an unlimited number of computers from an unlimited number of devices. And they even feature a Windows Phone app. I like that, though I'll probably never use it. /gustav >>> gustav at cactus.dk 25-01-14 20:12 >>> Hi Jim Splashtop works across firewalls if you sign up for the web access option. /gustav >>> accessd at shaw.ca 25-01-14 19:30 >>> Hi Gustav: I found out the LogMeIn was dead when my client told me it wasn't working...very upsetting and to my way of thinking not very unprofessional. It will be a while before I will endorse the product again, if ever. I had initially been interested in Splashtop remote, but according to the attached article there may be issues with firewalls and therefore routers? This will require further investigation. Splashtop remote is supposed to be very fast and also runs on all platforms so I have not abandoned its potential use yet. Teamviewer might be the more appropriate choice...any thoughts? Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gustav Brock" To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2014 9:57:09 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] LogMeIn is no more Hi Jim Even as a loyal user, this was such a surprise to me that I posted this to the forum: "As a help to our loyal users we'll give you 60, no 30, no 7 (seven) days to ..." Sorry, this is not a way to address loyal users. We're off. I'm quite sure the competion will know how to not pertinently address loyal users. Even after 30 years in this business, the way suppliers can address customers still surprises me. Some people are not educated, I've realized, or just plain stupid. Now, what was the name of the very interesting newcomer, you told about not so long ago, please? /gustav >>> accessd at shaw.ca 25-01-14 18:34 >>> Hi All: Well the truth is LogMeIn is still there but now the model is pay-as-you-go. Today I will be running around to a couple of clients and replacing their remote products...but I still have not decided which one is best. I am sort of leaning towards Splashtop Remote...any thought? http://www.infoworld.com/t/free-tools/locked-out-of-logmein-check-out-these- free-alternatives-234812 Jim _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Mon Jan 27 17:57:36 2014 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2014 18:57:36 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] The RedMonk Programming Language Rankings: January 2014 In-Reply-To: <1390864298.593319969@f365.i.mail.ru> References: <1390864298.593319969@f365.i.mail.ru> Message-ID: Shamil, What is meant by the minus and plus signs following the language names? Arthur On Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 6:11 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote: > Hi All -- > > FYI: The RedMonk Programming Language Rankings: January 2014 > > http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2014/01/22/language-rankings-1-14/ > > * JavaScript (+1) > * Java (-1) > * PHP > * C# (+2) > * Python (-1) > * C++ (+1) > * Ruby (-2) > * C > * Objective-C > * CSS (new) .... > > > -- > ???????????? ?????? > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Arthur From fuller.artful at gmail.com Mon Jan 27 18:00:24 2014 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2014 19:00:24 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] LogMeIn is no more In-Reply-To: <347624876.134182832.1390866751441.JavaMail.root@cds002> References: <016301cf1b97$5fcc7440$1f655cc0$@winhaven.net> <347624876.134182832.1390866751441.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: I have used TeamViewer for a while now and I love it. I've done a few remote programming gigs lately, working with programmers in distant cities, and TeamViewer provided an excellent means for them to show me around the app in question. On Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 6:52 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Hi John: > > Teamviewer it is then. > > Jim > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Bartow" > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" < > dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com> > Sent: Monday, January 27, 2014 11:38:37 AM > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] LogMeIn is no more > > I use a corporate version of TeamViewer that is built into my RMS and it > works quite well. > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock > Sent: Monday, January 27, 2014 1:10 PM > To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] LogMeIn is no more > > Hi Jim > > I've found Splashtop close to useless. Controlling an older XP machine > takes > minutes where it should take seconds. > So I installed it on a local Windows 7 machine with i3 cpu, and that could > be controlled with a high degree of patience but still useless for work. > > Then I installed TeamViewer and it rushed away at once, much like standard > remote desktop and as LogMeIn does. > > So sadly, Splashtop may be fine for mobile devices (didn't try that, don't > have the need) but not as an alternative for desktop use. > > /gustav > > > >>> accessd at shaw.ca 26-01-14 19:53 >>> > Hi Gustav: > > I have found similar and other issues with Splashtop Remote as well. Keep > us > posted on what you find out with Teamviewer. > > Jim > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gustav Brock" > To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com > Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2014 1:29:45 AM > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] LogMeIn is no more > > Hi Jim > > No it was Splashtop I checked out. On that old WinXp host it takes 1:45 to > open a tiny text file, render it, and close it again. With LogMeIn on that > machine you can perform normal tasks though not speedy. This is across a 2 > Mb/s WAN. RDP runs at close to normal working speed. > > I noticed that when Splashtop open the connection to the machine, the > splashtop service at once goes to 95% CPU usage where LogMeIn would stay at > a few percent. > > I have yet to test Teamviewer, but the license model is very inflexible. > > /gustav > > >>> accessd at shaw.ca 26-01-14 0:29 >>> > Hi Gustav: > > I had OpenVPN running from a (Linux) server at my home and found the > performance was more the adequate in allowing me to access all networks > station (Linux and Windows), from another city. > > If you tried to run an OpenVPN server on just an old XP box, one on which > requires a extra translation layer, it was surprising that it actually > worked at all. ;-) XP runs an OpenVPN client just fine though. > > The application of course is going to be much slower than an app like > Splashtop Desktop where only keyboard type inputs are sent one way and > images are sent the other. A VPN is an encrypted tunnel...with a lot more > overhead...privacy and security is the expectation. > > Jim > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gustav Brock" > To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com > Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2014 1:59:38 PM > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] LogMeIn is no more > > Hi Jim > > I'm not sure. I just tried to install it on a WinXP machine and remote > control that from my Win8.1 Desktop. It is so slow over a 2 Mb/s line that > it is useless, much slower than even VNC. The Windows App doesn't work at > all. > > What about OpenVPN? It seems to require that you run a server of your own? > > /gustav > > >>> accessd at shaw.ca 25-01-14 21:43 >>> > Hi Gustav: > > It looks like that may be the best quick answer. As for any large sites > maybe a OpenVPN server (http://openvpn.net) on the client's server may be > the best long term answer and from there, I can just RDP in or connect via > the shares to all the stations. > > Jim > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gustav Brock" > To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com > Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2014 11:23:43 AM > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] LogMeIn is no more > > Hi Jim et all > > Splashtop seems to win on a simple commercial pricing where indeed > TeamViewer is very limited regarding installs and "channels": > > 1.Simple, affordable pricing model * $60 per user per year, to remotely > control an unlimited number of computers from an unlimited number of > devices. > > And they even feature a Windows Phone app. I like that, though I'll > probably > never use it. > > /gustav > > > >>> gustav at cactus.dk 25-01-14 20:12 >>> > Hi Jim > > Splashtop works across firewalls if you sign up for the web access option. > > /gustav > > >>> accessd at shaw.ca 25-01-14 19:30 >>> > Hi Gustav: > > I found out the LogMeIn was dead when my client told me it wasn't > working...very upsetting and to my way of thinking not very unprofessional. > It will be a while before I will endorse the product again, if ever. > > I had initially been interested in Splashtop remote, but according to the > attached article there may be issues with firewalls and therefore routers? > This will require further investigation. Splashtop remote is supposed to be > very fast and also runs on all platforms so I have not abandoned its > potential use yet. > > Teamviewer might be the more appropriate choice...any thoughts? > > Jim > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gustav Brock" > To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com > Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2014 9:57:09 AM > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] LogMeIn is no more > > Hi Jim > > Even as a loyal user, this was such a surprise to me that I posted this to > the forum: > > > "As a help to our loyal users we'll give you 60, no 30, no 7 (seven) days > to > ..." > > Sorry, this is not a way to address loyal users. We're off. > I'm quite sure the competion will know how to not pertinently address loyal > users. > > Even after 30 years in this business, the way suppliers can address > customers still surprises me. Some people are not educated, I've realized, > or just plain stupid. > > > Now, what was the name of the very interesting newcomer, you told about not > so long ago, please? > > /gustav > > > >>> accessd at shaw.ca 25-01-14 18:34 >>> > Hi All: > > Well the truth is LogMeIn is still there but now the model is > pay-as-you-go. > Today I will be running around to a couple of clients and replacing their > remote products...but I still have not decided which one is best. I am sort > of leaning towards Splashtop Remote...any thought? > > > http://www.infoworld.com/t/free-tools/locked-out-of-logmein-check-out-these- > free-alternatives-234812 > > Jim > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Arthur From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Jan 27 18:03:29 2014 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2014 17:03:29 -0700 (MST) Subject: [dba-Tech] LogMeIn is no more In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <419388243.134194493.1390867409489.JavaMail.root@cds002> HI Gustav: It sounds like an excellent package but it only runs on Windows...no Apple, no Linux, no mobiles, makes it a sort of dead-end package. Check out some more alternatives: http://alternativeto.net/software/ammyy-admin/?platform=linux Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gustav Brock" To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Sent: Monday, January 27, 2014 1:31:25 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] LogMeIn is no more Hi all Has anyone checked out Ammyy: http://www.ammyy.com/en/index.html Seems like a true alternative to LogMeIn. /gustav >>> gustav at cactus.dk 27-01-14 20:10 >>> Hi Jim I've found Splashtop close to useless. Controlling an older XP machine takes minutes where it should take seconds. So I installed it on a local Windows 7 machine with i3 cpu, and that could be controlled with a high degree of patience but still useless for work. Then I installed TeamViewer and it rushed away at once, much like standard remote desktop and as LogMeIn does. So sadly, Splashtop may be fine for mobile devices (didn't try that, don't have the need) but not as an alternative for desktop use. /gustav >>> accessd at shaw.ca 26-01-14 19:53 >>> Hi Gustav: I have found similar and other issues with Splashtop Remote as well. Keep us posted on what you find out with Teamviewer. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gustav Brock" To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2014 1:29:45 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] LogMeIn is no more Hi Jim No it was Splashtop I checked out. On that old WinXp host it takes 1:45 to open a tiny text file, render it, and close it again. With LogMeIn on that machine you can perform normal tasks though not speedy. This is across a 2 Mb/s WAN. RDP runs at close to normal working speed. I noticed that when Splashtop open the connection to the machine, the splashtop service at once goes to 95% CPU usage where LogMeIn would stay at a few percent. I have yet to test Teamviewer, but the license model is very inflexible. /gustav >>> accessd at shaw.ca 26-01-14 0:29 >>> Hi Gustav: I had OpenVPN running from a (Linux) server at my home and found the performance was more the adequate in allowing me to access all networks station (Linux and Windows), from another city. If you tried to run an OpenVPN server on just an old XP box, one on which requires a extra translation layer, it was surprising that it actually worked at all. ;-) XP runs an OpenVPN client just fine though. The application of course is going to be much slower than an app like Splashtop Desktop where only keyboard type inputs are sent one way and images are sent the other. A VPN is an encrypted tunnel...with a lot more overhead...privacy and security is the expectation. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gustav Brock" To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2014 1:59:38 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] LogMeIn is no more Hi Jim I'm not sure. I just tried to install it on a WinXP machine and remote control that from my Win8.1 Desktop. It is so slow over a 2 Mb/s line that it is useless, much slower than even VNC. The Windows App doesn't work at all. What about OpenVPN? It seems to require that you run a server of your own? /gustav >>> accessd at shaw.ca 25-01-14 21:43 >>> Hi Gustav: It looks like that may be the best quick answer. As for any large sites maybe a OpenVPN server (http://openvpn.net) on the client's server may be the best long term answer and from there, I can just RDP in or connect via the shares to all the stations. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gustav Brock" To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2014 11:23:43 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] LogMeIn is no more Hi Jim et all Splashtop seems to win on a simple commercial pricing where indeed TeamViewer is very limited regarding installs and "channels": 1.Simple, affordable pricing model * $60 per user per year, to remotely control an unlimited number of computers from an unlimited number of devices. And they even feature a Windows Phone app. I like that, though I'll probably never use it. /gustav >>> gustav at cactus.dk 25-01-14 20:12 >>> Hi Jim Splashtop works across firewalls if you sign up for the web access option. /gustav >>> accessd at shaw.ca 25-01-14 19:30 >>> Hi Gustav: I found out the LogMeIn was dead when my client told me it wasn't working...very upsetting and to my way of thinking not very unprofessional. It will be a while before I will endorse the product again, if ever. I had initially been interested in Splashtop remote, but according to the attached article there may be issues with firewalls and therefore routers? This will require further investigation. Splashtop remote is supposed to be very fast and also runs on all platforms so I have not abandoned its potential use yet. Teamviewer might be the more appropriate choice...any thoughts? Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gustav Brock" To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2014 9:57:09 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] LogMeIn is no more Hi Jim Even as a loyal user, this was such a surprise to me that I posted this to the forum: "As a help to our loyal users we'll give you 60, no 30, no 7 (seven) days to ..." Sorry, this is not a way to address loyal users. We're off. I'm quite sure the competion will know how to not pertinently address loyal users. Even after 30 years in this business, the way suppliers can address customers still surprises me. Some people are not educated, I've realized, or just plain stupid. Now, what was the name of the very interesting newcomer, you told about not so long ago, please? /gustav _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From mcp2004 at mail.ru Mon Jan 27 18:04:57 2014 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2014 04:04:57 +0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?The_RedMonk_Programming_Language_Rankings=3A?= =?utf-8?q?_January_2014?= In-Reply-To: References: <1390864298.593319969@f365.i.mail.ru> Message-ID: <1390867497.428563466@f423.i.mail.ru> Hi Arthur -- Plus X (+x) means - up x positions, and minus X (-x) - down x positions since last year ranking. -- Shamil Monday, January 27, 2014 6:57 PM -05:00 from Arthur Fuller : >Shamil, > >What is meant by the minus and plus signs following the language names? > >Arthur > > >On Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 6:11 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil < mcp2004 at mail.ru >wrote: > >> Hi All -- >> >> FYI: The RedMonk Programming Language Rankings: January 2014 >> >> http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2014/01/22/language-rankings-1-14/ >> >> * JavaScript (+1) >> * Java (-1) >> * PHP >> * C# (+2) >> * Python (-1) >> * C++ (+1) >> * Ruby (-2) >> * C >> * Objective-C >> * CSS (new) .... >> >> >> -- >> ???????????? ?????? > -- ???????????? ?????? From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Jan 27 18:08:23 2014 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2014 17:08:23 -0700 (MST) Subject: [dba-Tech] The RedMonk Programming Language Rankings: January 2014 In-Reply-To: <1390864298.593319969@f365.i.mail.ru> Message-ID: <1478167825.134200078.1390867703327.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi Shamil: I was looking at that list earlier. An impressive group of languages and one for every discipline. Considering that these choices are from StackOverflow and from Github this ranking speaks more towards the future than towards the present. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Monday, January 27, 2014 3:11:38 PM Subject: [dba-Tech] The RedMonk Programming Language Rankings: January 2014 Hi All -- FYI: ? The RedMonk Programming Language Rankings: January 2014 http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2014/01/22/language-rankings-1-14/ * JavaScript (+1) * Java (-1) * PHP * C# (+2) * Python (-1) * C++ (+1) * Ruby (-2) * C * Objective-C * CSS (new) ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? .... -- ???????????? ?????? _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Mon Jan 27 19:24:37 2014 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2014 17:24:37 -0800 Subject: [dba-Tech] LogMeIn is no more In-Reply-To: <347624876.134182832.1390866751441.JavaMail.root@cds002> References: <016301cf1b97$5fcc7440$1f655cc0$@winhaven.net> <347624876.134182832.1390866751441.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: <15D4A6EC66C04741A1B9ED5BCAF2BD45@HAL9007> I have a couple of clients who use Go To Meeting. Don't know how $ it is but it's really pretty effective and easy to use - never had any connection problems. Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Monday, January 27, 2014 3:53 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] LogMeIn is no more Hi John: Teamviewer it is then. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Bartow" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Monday, January 27, 2014 11:38:37 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] LogMeIn is no more I use a corporate version of TeamViewer that is built into my RMS and it works quite well. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Monday, January 27, 2014 1:10 PM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] LogMeIn is no more Hi Jim I've found Splashtop close to useless. Controlling an older XP machine takes minutes where it should take seconds. So I installed it on a local Windows 7 machine with i3 cpu, and that could be controlled with a high degree of patience but still useless for work. Then I installed TeamViewer and it rushed away at once, much like standard remote desktop and as LogMeIn does. So sadly, Splashtop may be fine for mobile devices (didn't try that, don't have the need) but not as an alternative for desktop use. /gustav >>> accessd at shaw.ca 26-01-14 19:53 >>> Hi Gustav: I have found similar and other issues with Splashtop Remote as well. Keep us posted on what you find out with Teamviewer. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gustav Brock" To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2014 1:29:45 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] LogMeIn is no more Hi Jim No it was Splashtop I checked out. On that old WinXp host it takes 1:45 to open a tiny text file, render it, and close it again. With LogMeIn on that machine you can perform normal tasks though not speedy. This is across a 2 Mb/s WAN. RDP runs at close to normal working speed. I noticed that when Splashtop open the connection to the machine, the splashtop service at once goes to 95% CPU usage where LogMeIn would stay at a few percent. I have yet to test Teamviewer, but the license model is very inflexible. /gustav >>> accessd at shaw.ca 26-01-14 0:29 >>> Hi Gustav: I had OpenVPN running from a (Linux) server at my home and found the performance was more the adequate in allowing me to access all networks station (Linux and Windows), from another city. If you tried to run an OpenVPN server on just an old XP box, one on which requires a extra translation layer, it was surprising that it actually worked at all. ;-) XP runs an OpenVPN client just fine though. The application of course is going to be much slower than an app like Splashtop Desktop where only keyboard type inputs are sent one way and images are sent the other. A VPN is an encrypted tunnel...with a lot more overhead...privacy and security is the expectation. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gustav Brock" To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2014 1:59:38 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] LogMeIn is no more Hi Jim I'm not sure. I just tried to install it on a WinXP machine and remote control that from my Win8.1 Desktop. It is so slow over a 2 Mb/s line that it is useless, much slower than even VNC. The Windows App doesn't work at all. What about OpenVPN? It seems to require that you run a server of your own? /gustav >>> accessd at shaw.ca 25-01-14 21:43 >>> Hi Gustav: It looks like that may be the best quick answer. As for any large sites maybe a OpenVPN server (http://openvpn.net) on the client's server may be the best long term answer and from there, I can just RDP in or connect via the shares to all the stations. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gustav Brock" To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2014 11:23:43 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] LogMeIn is no more Hi Jim et all Splashtop seems to win on a simple commercial pricing where indeed TeamViewer is very limited regarding installs and "channels": 1.Simple, affordable pricing model * $60 per user per year, to remotely control an unlimited number of computers from an unlimited number of devices. And they even feature a Windows Phone app. I like that, though I'll probably never use it. /gustav >>> gustav at cactus.dk 25-01-14 20:12 >>> Hi Jim Splashtop works across firewalls if you sign up for the web access option. /gustav >>> accessd at shaw.ca 25-01-14 19:30 >>> Hi Gustav: I found out the LogMeIn was dead when my client told me it wasn't working...very upsetting and to my way of thinking not very unprofessional. It will be a while before I will endorse the product again, if ever. I had initially been interested in Splashtop remote, but according to the attached article there may be issues with firewalls and therefore routers? This will require further investigation. Splashtop remote is supposed to be very fast and also runs on all platforms so I have not abandoned its potential use yet. Teamviewer might be the more appropriate choice...any thoughts? Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gustav Brock" To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2014 9:57:09 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] LogMeIn is no more Hi Jim Even as a loyal user, this was such a surprise to me that I posted this to the forum: "As a help to our loyal users we'll give you 60, no 30, no 7 (seven) days to ..." Sorry, this is not a way to address loyal users. We're off. I'm quite sure the competion will know how to not pertinently address loyal users. Even after 30 years in this business, the way suppliers can address customers still surprises me. Some people are not educated, I've realized, or just plain stupid. Now, what was the name of the very interesting newcomer, you told about not so long ago, please? /gustav >>> accessd at shaw.ca 25-01-14 18:34 >>> Hi All: Well the truth is LogMeIn is still there but now the model is pay-as-you-go. Today I will be running around to a couple of clients and replacing their remote products...but I still have not decided which one is best. I am sort of leaning towards Splashtop Remote...any thought? http://www.infoworld.com/t/free-tools/locked-out-of-logmein-check-out-these- free-alternatives-234812 Jim _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Tue Jan 28 00:07:29 2014 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2014 23:07:29 -0700 (MST) Subject: [dba-Tech] LogMeIn is no more In-Reply-To: <15D4A6EC66C04741A1B9ED5BCAF2BD45@HAL9007> Message-ID: <1607223378.134452114.1390889249770.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi Rocky: "Go To Meeting" is an excellent communication package. It is probably not a replacement for LogMeIn and similar packages but it might work in a pinch as it has a number of features. The one problem, I see with it, like many free windows add ins, is that it they requires a person at the other end to allow the connection to complete. >From memory, they use to have a 30 free trial and may still be having it. (Use to use it a lot when working with companies, out of Toronto/New York etc, who would planning a major roll-out of some systems, in Western Canada.) Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rocky Smolin" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Monday, January 27, 2014 5:24:37 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] LogMeIn is no more I have a couple of clients who use Go To Meeting. Don't know how $ it is but it's really pretty effective and easy to use - never had any connection problems. Rocky -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Monday, January 27, 2014 3:53 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] LogMeIn is no more Hi John: Teamviewer it is then. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Bartow" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Monday, January 27, 2014 11:38:37 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] LogMeIn is no more I use a corporate version of TeamViewer that is built into my RMS and it works quite well. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Monday, January 27, 2014 1:10 PM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] LogMeIn is no more Hi Jim I've found Splashtop close to useless. Controlling an older XP machine takes minutes where it should take seconds. So I installed it on a local Windows 7 machine with i3 cpu, and that could be controlled with a high degree of patience but still useless for work. Then I installed TeamViewer and it rushed away at once, much like standard remote desktop and as LogMeIn does. So sadly, Splashtop may be fine for mobile devices (didn't try that, don't have the need) but not as an alternative for desktop use. /gustav >>> accessd at shaw.ca 26-01-14 19:53 >>> Hi Gustav: I have found similar and other issues with Splashtop Remote as well. Keep us posted on what you find out with Teamviewer. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gustav Brock" To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2014 1:29:45 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] LogMeIn is no more Hi Jim No it was Splashtop I checked out. On that old WinXp host it takes 1:45 to open a tiny text file, render it, and close it again. With LogMeIn on that machine you can perform normal tasks though not speedy. This is across a 2 Mb/s WAN. RDP runs at close to normal working speed. I noticed that when Splashtop open the connection to the machine, the splashtop service at once goes to 95% CPU usage where LogMeIn would stay at a few percent. I have yet to test Teamviewer, but the license model is very inflexible. /gustav >>> accessd at shaw.ca 26-01-14 0:29 >>> Hi Gustav: I had OpenVPN running from a (Linux) server at my home and found the performance was more the adequate in allowing me to access all networks station (Linux and Windows), from another city. If you tried to run an OpenVPN server on just an old XP box, one on which requires a extra translation layer, it was surprising that it actually worked at all. ;-) XP runs an OpenVPN client just fine though. The application of course is going to be much slower than an app like Splashtop Desktop where only keyboard type inputs are sent one way and images are sent the other. A VPN is an encrypted tunnel...with a lot more overhead...privacy and security is the expectation. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gustav Brock" To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2014 1:59:38 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] LogMeIn is no more Hi Jim I'm not sure. I just tried to install it on a WinXP machine and remote control that from my Win8.1 Desktop. It is so slow over a 2 Mb/s line that it is useless, much slower than even VNC. The Windows App doesn't work at all. What about OpenVPN? It seems to require that you run a server of your own? /gustav >>> accessd at shaw.ca 25-01-14 21:43 >>> Hi Gustav: It looks like that may be the best quick answer. As for any large sites maybe a OpenVPN server (http://openvpn.net) on the client's server may be the best long term answer and from there, I can just RDP in or connect via the shares to all the stations. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gustav Brock" To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2014 11:23:43 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] LogMeIn is no more Hi Jim et all Splashtop seems to win on a simple commercial pricing where indeed TeamViewer is very limited regarding installs and "channels": 1.Simple, affordable pricing model * $60 per user per year, to remotely control an unlimited number of computers from an unlimited number of devices. And they even feature a Windows Phone app. I like that, though I'll probably never use it. /gustav >>> gustav at cactus.dk 25-01-14 20:12 >>> Hi Jim Splashtop works across firewalls if you sign up for the web access option. /gustav >>> accessd at shaw.ca 25-01-14 19:30 >>> Hi Gustav: I found out the LogMeIn was dead when my client told me it wasn't working...very upsetting and to my way of thinking not very unprofessional. It will be a while before I will endorse the product again, if ever. I had initially been interested in Splashtop remote, but according to the attached article there may be issues with firewalls and therefore routers? This will require further investigation. Splashtop remote is supposed to be very fast and also runs on all platforms so I have not abandoned its potential use yet. Teamviewer might be the more appropriate choice...any thoughts? Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gustav Brock" To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2014 9:57:09 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] LogMeIn is no more Hi Jim Even as a loyal user, this was such a surprise to me that I posted this to the forum: "As a help to our loyal users we'll give you 60, no 30, no 7 (seven) days to ..." Sorry, this is not a way to address loyal users. We're off. I'm quite sure the competion will know how to not pertinently address loyal users. Even after 30 years in this business, the way suppliers can address customers still surprises me. Some people are not educated, I've realized, or just plain stupid. Now, what was the name of the very interesting newcomer, you told about not so long ago, please? /gustav >>> accessd at shaw.ca 25-01-14 18:34 >>> Hi All: Well the truth is LogMeIn is still there but now the model is pay-as-you-go. Today I will be running around to a couple of clients and replacing their remote products...but I still have not decided which one is best. I am sort of leaning towards Splashtop Remote...any thought? http://www.infoworld.com/t/free-tools/locked-out-of-logmein-check-out-these- free-alternatives-234812 Jim _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From gustav at cactus.dk Tue Jan 28 01:17:02 2014 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2014 08:17:02 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Want to be an animator? Message-ID: <002901cf1bf8$f14d7b60$d3e87220$@cactus.dk> Hi all If you have Visual Studio at hand, why not start with that and its own Blend? It is in fact quite powerful. Here you can spend some hours with these videos for free: http://blog.jerrynixon.com/2014/01/the-most-comprehensive-blend-for-visual.html I've never succeeded getting familiar with Blend, so that's what I will do. /gustav -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Salakhetdinov Shamil Sendt: 24. januar 2014 13:08 Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Want to be an animator? Hi Jim -- AFAIS Blender is written using C, C++ and Python. Great. See also: https://developer.blender.org/ http://nicholasbishop.net/?page_id=20 BTW, Blender's author Nicholas Bishop seems to be also working on/for http://www.makerbot.com/makerware/ Thank you. -- Shamil Tuesday, January 21, 2014 10:30 PM -07:00 from Jim Lawrence : >Hi All: > >Until fairly recently, (about a year ago) there was not a great OS animation application. > >If you were in the business you would have to purchase such applications as Studiomax, XSI, Render and so on...not inexpensive to say the least. The problem was that not just one of the programs would allow a designer to create industry standards results...you would generally have to buy a suite of up to six products. > >Five years of university, to acquire a degree in arts and animation and then a potential ten grand worth of applications...not to mention the cost of the computer...the years of BYOD(?) If you went to work for an animation company, not everyone has the budget of Pixar (or the huge team of programmers), you would have to hope they could afford the latest product site licenses...many companies just can not afford to keep the development software current. > >Now there is just such an application for those of you who are starting in the business or just want to start your own contract animation studio. > >http://www.blender.org > >The application runs on all major platforms, 32 and 64bit. > >Here is a demoreel sample on what you could build using Blender: > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XZGulDxz9o > >Jim From accessd at shaw.ca Tue Jan 28 13:02:46 2014 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2014 12:02:46 -0700 (MST) Subject: [dba-Tech] Want to be an animator? In-Reply-To: <002901cf1bf8$f14d7b60$d3e87220$@cactus.dk> Message-ID: <1832809427.135008969.1390935766572.JavaMail.root@cds002> Thank you for posting Gustav: I like to just download the vids, transfer them to a tutorial directory, on a server and watch them on my big screen...much better entertainment than we would find on the TV. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gustav Brock" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Monday, January 27, 2014 11:17:02 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Want to be an animator? Hi all If you have Visual Studio at hand, why not start with that and its own Blend? It is in fact quite powerful. Here you can spend some hours with these videos for free: http://blog.jerrynixon.com/2014/01/the-most-comprehensive-blend-for-visual.html I've never succeeded getting familiar with Blend, so that's what I will do. /gustav -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Salakhetdinov Shamil Sendt: 24. januar 2014 13:08 Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Want to be an animator? Hi Jim -- AFAIS Blender is written using C, C++ and Python. Great. See also: https://developer.blender.org/ http://nicholasbishop.net/?page_id=20 BTW, Blender's author Nicholas Bishop seems to be also working on/for http://www.makerbot.com/makerware/ Thank you. -- Shamil Tuesday, January 21, 2014 10:30 PM -07:00 from Jim Lawrence : >Hi All: > >Until fairly recently, (about a year ago) there was not a great OS animation application. > >If you were in the business you would have to purchase such applications as Studiomax, XSI, Render and so on...not inexpensive to say the least. The problem was that not just one of the programs would allow a designer to create industry standards results...you would generally have to buy a suite of up to six products. > >Five years of university, to acquire a degree in arts and animation and then a potential ten grand worth of applications...not to mention the cost of the computer...the years of BYOD(?) If you went to work for an animation company, not everyone has the budget of Pixar (or the huge team of programmers), you would have to hope they could afford the latest product site licenses...many companies just can not afford to keep the development software current. > >Now there is just such an application for those of you who are starting in the business or just want to start your own contract animation studio. > >http://www.blender.org > >The application runs on all major platforms, 32 and 64bit. > >Here is a demoreel sample on what you could build using Blender: > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XZGulDxz9o > >Jim _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Tue Jan 28 13:26:02 2014 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2014 12:26:02 -0700 (MST) Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows will rise again. In-Reply-To: <002901cf1bf8$f14d7b60$d3e87220$@cactus.dk> Message-ID: <562307069.135046649.1390937162852.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi All: Microsoft has been set back seriously with it desktop PC. Is this a surprise...no, as it seems every second release borks...from Windows98 and on, so it really comes as no surprise. The concepts of Windows 8, I thought were pretty good, basically but unfortunately that concept was not articulated to the point where the average non techy could grasp. Most of the major proponents and evangelists of the Window8 project have left Microsoft as of late. (a purge?) What I am waiting for is Window9. Microsoft has always been able to pull it together, on the second try and I am expecting great things. Gesture controlled screen, from a distance, voice activation and control, easy connection and streaming to all hardware and appliances, unobtrusive solid security and so on. http://www.techrepublic.com/article/microsofts-monumental-task-in-windows-9-win-back-the-base/#ftag=RSS56d97e7 I think, if true to form, Windows9 will be a success... Thoughts? Jim From accessd at shaw.ca Tue Jan 28 17:37:38 2014 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2014 16:37:38 -0700 (MST) Subject: [dba-Tech] Surprising changes in the schools In-Reply-To: <002901cf1bf8$f14d7b60$d3e87220$@cactus.dk> Message-ID: <1361733062.135325292.1390952258933.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi all: An interesting evolution has been happening in the schools related to computers (within the US market)...so what would your guess be? I must admit I was not prepared to read the latest stats...More Windows, Mac, Linux or other? http://tinyurl.com/kuzf3tp Jim From fuller.artful at gmail.com Tue Jan 28 18:22:14 2014 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2014 19:22:14 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Surprising changes in the schools In-Reply-To: <1361733062.135325292.1390952258933.JavaMail.root@cds002> References: <002901cf1bf8$f14d7b60$d3e87220$@cactus.dk> <1361733062.135325292.1390952258933.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: Jim, Very interesting. Makes me want to get a Chromebook. Arthur From accessd at shaw.ca Tue Jan 28 18:37:53 2014 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2014 17:37:53 -0700 (MST) Subject: [dba-Tech] In home streaming In-Reply-To: <002901cf1bf8$f14d7b60$d3e87220$@cactus.dk> Message-ID: <785689687.135384226.1390955873556.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi All: For those of you who, use various platforms, have your own network at home and are still having problems running applications across platforms here might be your solution. (In theory this could be used within an office environment but that of course is not encouraged...especially in beta testing mode and there may be some legal issues(?) but none have been indicated as obvious as this skirts the problems of only having an application installed on one computer.) http://steamcommunity.com/groups/homestream The package runs on any platform by feeding a real-time streaming image from a platform where a specific applications is installed and running it locally on your current computer. This may negate the reason for having a dual boot, virtual drives, emulators like Wine or Cygwin or having move to a computer that support the specific program you now need. Just set up a computer that will be the server (holds all your required applications) and setup all the other stations as clients. Note: The steam package is still in its beta mode, which suggests the potential of bugs, but it does allows such packages as Quickbooks, Adobe photshop, old and new games, Netflick etc to run without issues. It is fully OS so it will be privately and community supported. The downside is not really a downside but it may not work well on older computers that have very limited resources and performance. Jim From accessd at shaw.ca Tue Jan 28 18:41:59 2014 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2014 17:41:59 -0700 (MST) Subject: [dba-Tech] Surprising changes in the schools In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1325962600.135387072.1390956119868.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi Arthur: Everything is moving so fast that it is nearly impossible to keep up with advances and changes. One day, one thing is the standard, the next day, who knows? Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arthur Fuller" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2014 4:22:14 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Surprising changes in the schools Jim, Very interesting. Makes me want to get a Chromebook. Arthur _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Tue Jan 28 20:50:41 2014 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2014 19:50:41 -0700 (MST) Subject: [dba-Tech] The project looks like a go! :-) In-Reply-To: <785689687.135384226.1390955873556.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: <1680985092.135481074.1390963841490.JavaMail.root@cds002> After waiting for a while it looks like the following KickStarter project is a go. It was slow to start but it seemed to have picked up and now this hardware development is on its way. Whether a distributive torrent search engine will be faster and better is yet to be seen but at least in theory it will be significantly faster and subsequent downloads should reflect this... It is almost like gambling stocks but whether you and the company will go on to fortune and fame is hard to say. http://tinyurl.com/jvnznpy Jim From accessd at shaw.ca Tue Jan 28 20:59:31 2014 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2014 19:59:31 -0700 (MST) Subject: [dba-Tech] A new graphic program builder In-Reply-To: <785689687.135384226.1390955873556.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: <1213474814.135486987.1390964371733.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi All: For all you developers out there a new way of programming. Check out NoFlo another application that has reached (and surpassed) it financial goal and now is in full development on Kickstarter...another startup program out of San-Francisco. https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/noflo/noflo-development-environment?ref=category Check this out and what do you think? Jim PS It is OSS From gustav at cactus.dk Wed Jan 29 01:21:37 2014 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2014 08:21:37 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows will rise again. Message-ID: <003101cf1cc2$bf6ba610$3e42f230$@cactus.dk> Hi Jim As Windows 8 is great, why not Windows 9? Seems from the comments like you have a US-centric issue: .. everybody I've talked with who has either 64-bit Windows 7 or 64-bit Windows 8 has these freeze-ups .. Never seen that here. /gustav -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Jim Lawrence Sendt: 28. januar 2014 20:26 Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Emne: [dba-Tech] Windows will rise again. Hi All: Microsoft has been set back seriously with it desktop PC. Is this a surprise...no, as it seems every second release borks...from Windows98 and on, so it really comes as no surprise. The concepts of Windows 8, I thought were pretty good, basically but unfortunately that concept was not articulated to the point where the average non techy could grasp. Most of the major proponents and evangelists of the Window8 project have left Microsoft as of late. (a purge?) What I am waiting for is Window9. Microsoft has always been able to pull it together, on the second try and I am expecting great things. Gesture controlled screen, from a distance, voice activation and control, easy connection and streaming to all hardware and appliances, unobtrusive solid security and so on. http://www.techrepublic.com/article/microsofts-monumental-task-in-windows-9- win-back-the-base/#ftag=RSS56d97e7 I think, if true to form, Windows9 will be a success... Thoughts? Jim From jon.tydda at lonza.com Wed Jan 29 03:16:26 2014 From: jon.tydda at lonza.com (Tydda Jon - Lonza Slough) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2014 09:16:26 +0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows will rise again. In-Reply-To: <003101cf1cc2$bf6ba610$3e42f230$@cactus.dk> References: <003101cf1cc2$bf6ba610$3e42f230$@cactus.dk> Message-ID: <4b0ed69d1dd443dcb1e1d22230a6ed61@CHVEX12.lonzagroup.net> I've seen freeze-ups on my Windows 8.1 laptop, but there's a "known" feature with the search indexer - if you disable that service, it stops it using 100% of the CPU, and makes it all better. Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2014 7:22 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows will rise again. Hi Jim As Windows 8 is great, why not Windows 9? Seems from the comments like you have a US-centric issue: .. everybody I've talked with who has either 64-bit Windows 7 or 64-bit Windows 8 has these freeze-ups .. Never seen that here. /gustav -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Jim Lawrence Sendt: 28. januar 2014 20:26 Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Emne: [dba-Tech] Windows will rise again. Hi All: Microsoft has been set back seriously with it desktop PC. Is this a surprise...no, as it seems every second release borks...from Windows98 and on, so it really comes as no surprise. The concepts of Windows 8, I thought were pretty good, basically but unfortunately that concept was not articulated to the point where the average non techy could grasp. Most of the major proponents and evangelists of the Window8 project have left Microsoft as of late. (a purge?) What I am waiting for is Window9. Microsoft has always been able to pull it together, on the second try and I am expecting great things. Gesture controlled screen, from a distance, voice activation and control, easy connection and streaming to all hardware and appliances, unobtrusive solid security and so on. http://www.techrepublic.com/article/microsofts-monumental-task-in-windows-9- win-back-the-base/#ftag=RSS56d97e7 I think, if true to form, Windows9 will be a success... Thoughts? Jim _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com ________________________________ This communication and its attachments, if any, may contain confidential and privileged information the use of which by other persons or entities than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you receive this transmission in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete the material from your system. From fuller.artful at gmail.com Wed Jan 29 03:31:49 2014 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2014 04:31:49 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] A new graphic program builder In-Reply-To: <1213474814.135486987.1390964371733.JavaMail.root@cds002> References: <785689687.135384226.1390955873556.JavaMail.root@cds002> <1213474814.135486987.1390964371733.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: Years back I played with an early implementation of Flow-Based programming. I don't remember the name of the software, but it showed considerable promise. I think it was too far ahead of its time, though, and I think it didn't even make it to version 2. But I agree. This is surely the wave of the future. Arthur From fuller.artful at gmail.com Wed Jan 29 03:45:08 2014 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2014 04:45:08 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows will rise again. In-Reply-To: <4b0ed69d1dd443dcb1e1d22230a6ed61@CHVEX12.lonzagroup.net> References: <003101cf1cc2$bf6ba610$3e42f230$@cactus.dk> <4b0ed69d1dd443dcb1e1d22230a6ed61@CHVEX12.lonzagroup.net> Message-ID: I have yet to see a freeze-up on my Windows 8.1 laptop, but I also never consciously enabled the search indexer. Is that enabled by default? Arthur On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 4:16 AM, Tydda Jon - Lonza Slough < jon.tydda at lonza.com> wrote: > I've seen freeze-ups on my Windows 8.1 laptop, but there's a "known" > feature with the search indexer - if you disable that service, it stops it > using 100% of the CPU, and makes it all better. > > > Jon From jon.tydda at lonza.com Wed Jan 29 03:46:58 2014 From: jon.tydda at lonza.com (Tydda Jon - Lonza Slough) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2014 09:46:58 +0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows will rise again. In-Reply-To: References: <003101cf1cc2$bf6ba610$3e42f230$@cactus.dk> <4b0ed69d1dd443dcb1e1d22230a6ed61@CHVEX12.lonzagroup.net> Message-ID: Yes, it's a standard service. But for what I use my laptop for (games and internet), it's really unnecessary. Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2014 9:45 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows will rise again. I have yet to see a freeze-up on my Windows 8.1 laptop, but I also never consciously enabled the search indexer. Is that enabled by default? Arthur On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 4:16 AM, Tydda Jon - Lonza Slough < jon.tydda at lonza.com> wrote: > I've seen freeze-ups on my Windows 8.1 laptop, but there's a "known" > feature with the search indexer - if you disable that service, it > stops it using 100% of the CPU, and makes it all better. > > > Jon _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com ________________________________ This communication and its attachments, if any, may contain confidential and privileged information the use of which by other persons or entities than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you receive this transmission in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete the material from your system. From fuller.artful at gmail.com Wed Jan 29 03:51:33 2014 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2014 04:51:33 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows will rise again. In-Reply-To: References: <003101cf1cc2$bf6ba610$3e42f230$@cactus.dk> <4b0ed69d1dd443dcb1e1d22230a6ed61@CHVEX12.lonzagroup.net> Message-ID: Well Jon, If it's a standard service then all I can say is that I have yet to experience a freeze-up despite its operation. Arthur On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 4:46 AM, Tydda Jon - Lonza Slough < jon.tydda at lonza.com> wrote: > Yes, it's a standard service. But for what I use my laptop for (games and > internet), it's really unnecessary. > From fuller.artful at gmail.com Wed Jan 29 03:57:37 2014 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2014 04:57:37 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Attention Windows 8 Users Message-ID: I forget who pointed me to it, but there's a wonderful utility called Classic Shell that brings the features of the Start button to Windows 8. Actually it does a lot more than that, but that's a good thumbnail description of its purpose. Of particular note is its enhanced version of the old Control Panel item. It's free and can be downloaded from www.*classicshell*.net/. -- Arthur From gustav at cactus.dk Wed Jan 29 04:19:48 2014 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2014 11:19:48 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] A new graphic program builder Message-ID: <005901cf1cdb$a39302d0$eab90870$@cactus.dk> Hi Arthur Perhaps Novell AppBuilder? It was fun but I never made anything serious with it: http://support.novell.com/techcenter/articles/dnd19940501.html /gustav -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Arthur Fuller Sendt: 29. januar 2014 10:32 Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] A new graphic program builder Years back I played with an early implementation of Flow-Based programming. I don't remember the name of the software, but it showed considerable promise. I think it was too far ahead of its time, though, and I think it didn't even make it to version 2. But I agree. This is surely the wave of the future. Arthur From mcp2004 at mail.ru Wed Jan 29 04:58:44 2014 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2014 14:58:44 +0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?A_new_graphic_program_builder?= In-Reply-To: <1213474814.135486987.1390964371733.JavaMail.root@cds002> References: <785689687.135384226.1390955873556.JavaMail.root@cds002> <1213474814.135486987.1390964371733.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: <1390993124.662424202@f348.i.mail.ru> Hi Jim et All -- I'm sorry to be rather skeptical on all that "new way" visual "logic drawing-driven" "rapid application development" tools - have a look: "by CBR Staff Writer| 12 February 1991 ... In another age the product might have been described as an expert system, but the buzz word now is Object and the product offers visual programming techniques to enable users to stipulate objects and processes via drawings..." http://www.cbronline.com/news/borland_objectvision_makes_writing_windows_programs_easy Do you remember it - Borland Object Vision? I do. And before that around year 1981 last century there was? "Application Development Without Programmers" James Martin (Author) http://www.amazon.com/Application-Development-Without-Programmers-Martin/dp/0130389439 Did you read it? I did. And I did read it on that ancient now times. It was exciting reading... that time. And the "Application Development Without Programmers" was published a few years *after* this well known book: "The Mythical Man-Month" by Fred Brooks http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Mythical_Man-Month Did you read it? I did. And I did read it nearly the same time as I did read the?"Application Development Without Programmers" book somewhere in the beginning of 80-ies of last century. (NB: that were ex-USSR times here, mainstream/bestselling there on "wild West" books were available here, but sometimes with considerable delay.) And somewhere in the beginning of 90-ies there was the "The Computer Revolution in Software System Development"?( http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/The_Computer_Revolution/Software/System_Development ) - all kinds of software design case systems: does anybody of you using something like that in your everyday software development work? ---- Resume: there exists "something"?elusive, subtle, intangible, imponderable, evasive, vague, volatile, subtle, inappreciable, impalpable - sorry for my English - select any word, which you suppose is better highlighting "never ending, durable software development crisis" issue.. there exists something, which will always make the "new ways of programming" getting obsolete rather quick. And this "something" is "Governing in details" ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_is_in_the_detail ), which will always require 80% of software projects development time to be spent on to keep competing in this accelerating world... -- Shamil Tuesday, January 28, 2014 7:59 PM -07:00 from Jim Lawrence : >Hi All: > >For all you developers out there a new way of programming. Check out NoFlo another application that has reached (and surpassed) it financial goal and now is in full development on Kickstarter...another startup program out of San-Francisco. > >https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/noflo/noflo-development-environment?ref=category > >Check this out and what do you think? > >Jim > >PS It is OSS >_______________________________________________ > -- ???????????? ?????? From gustav at cactus.dk Wed Jan 29 05:18:37 2014 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2014 12:18:37 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] A new graphic program builder Message-ID: <007b01cf1ce3$db518360$91f48a20$@cactus.dk> Hi Shamil That settles it, I believe, though I haven't read any of those books. I share your skepticism. /gustav -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Salakhetdinov Shamil Sendt: 29. januar 2014 11:59 Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] A new graphic program builder Hi Jim et All -- I'm sorry to be rather skeptical on all that "new way" visual "logic drawing-driven" "rapid application development" tools - have a look: "by CBR Staff Writer| 12 February 1991 ... In another age the product might have been described as an expert system, but the buzz word now is Object and the product offers visual programming techniques to enable users to stipulate objects and processes via drawings..." http://www.cbronline.com/news/borland_objectvision_makes_writing_windows_programs_easy Do you remember it - Borland Object Vision? I do. And before that around year 1981 last century there was "Application Development Without Programmers" James Martin (Author) http://www.amazon.com/Application-Development-Without-Programmers-Martin/dp/0130389439 Did you read it? I did. And I did read it on that ancient now times. It was exciting reading... that time. And the "Application Development Without Programmers" was published a few years *after* this well known book: "The Mythical Man-Month" by Fred Brooks http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Mythical_Man-Month Did you read it? I did. And I did read it nearly the same time as I did read the "Application Development Without Programmers" book somewhere in the beginning of 80-ies of last century. (NB: that were ex-USSR times here, mainstream/bestselling there on "wild West" books were available here, but sometimes with considerable delay.) And somewhere in the beginning of 90-ies there was the "The Computer Revolution in Software System Development" ( http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/The_Computer_Revolution/Software/System_Development ) - all kinds of software design case systems: does anybody of you using something like that in your everyday software development work? ---- Resume: there exists "something" elusive, subtle, intangible, imponderable, evasive, vague, volatile, subtle, inappreciable, impalpable - sorry for my English - select any word, which you suppose is better highlighting "never ending, durable software development crisis" issue.. there exists something, which will always make the "new ways of programming" getting obsolete rather quick. And this "something" is "Governing in details" ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_is_in_the_detail ), which will always require 80% of software projects development time to be spent on to keep competing in this accelerating world... -- Shamil Tuesday, January 28, 2014 7:59 PM -07:00 from Jim Lawrence : >Hi All: > >For all you developers out there a new way of programming. Check out NoFlo another application that has reached (and surpassed) it financial goal and now is in full development on Kickstarter...another startup program out of San-Francisco. > >https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/noflo/noflo-development-environment?ref=category > >Check this out and what do you think? > >Jim > >PS It is OSS From mcp2004 at mail.ru Wed Jan 29 06:39:36 2014 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2014 16:39:36 +0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?A_new_graphic_program_builder?= In-Reply-To: <007b01cf1ce3$db518360$91f48a20$@cactus.dk> References: <007b01cf1ce3$db518360$91f48a20$@cactus.dk> Message-ID: <1390999176.609707655@f426.i.mail.ru> Hi Gustav -- "The Mythical Man-Month: Essays on Software Engineering, Anniversary Edition (2nd Edition)" by?Frederick P. Brooks Jr. http://www.amazon.com/The-Mythical-Man-Month-Engineering-Anniversary/dp/0201835959 is a "must read" IMO. Recommended. >?I share your skepticism. Well, shall we better call it "common sense realism"? :) -? "If there are certain principles, as I think there are, which the constitution of our nature leads us to believe, and which we are under a necessity to take for granted in the common concerns of life, without being able to give a reason for them ? these are what we call the principles of common sense; and what is manifestly contrary to them, is what we call absurd."? ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_Common_Sense_Realism ) Surprisingly(?) the above statement seems to have roots in Romans (1:20) ( http://www.usccb.org/bible/romans/1:20 ) ?(The relation of "Governing is in detail(s)" idiom and Romans(1:20) is noted also here? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_is_in_the_detail ?where I have got first it from.) -- Shamil Wednesday, January 29, 2014 12:18 PM +01:00 from "Gustav Brock" : >Hi Shamil > >That settles it, I believe, though I haven't read any of those books. I share your skepticism. > >/gustav > > >-----Oprindelig meddelelse----- >Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Salakhetdinov Shamil >Sendt: 29. januar 2014 11:59 >Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues >Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] A new graphic program builder > >?Hi Jim et All -- > >I'm sorry to be rather skeptical on all that "new way" visual "logic drawing-driven" "rapid application development" tools - have a look: > >"by CBR Staff Writer| 12 February 1991 >... In another age the product might have been described as an expert system, but the buzz word now is Object and the product offers visual programming techniques to enable users to stipulate objects and processes via drawings..." http://www.cbronline.com/news/borland_objectvision_makes_writing_windows_programs_easy > >Do you remember it - Borland Object Vision? I do. > >And before that around year 1981 last century there was > >"Application Development Without Programmers" >James Martin (Author) http://www.amazon.com/Application-Development-Without-Programmers-Martin/dp/0130389439 > >Did you read it? I did. And I did read it on that ancient now times. It was exciting reading... that time. > >And the "Application Development Without Programmers" was published a few years *after* this well known book: > >"The Mythical Man-Month" by Fred Brooks >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Mythical_Man-Month > >Did you read it? I did. And I did read it nearly the same time as I did read the "Application Development Without Programmers" book somewhere in the beginning of 80-ies of last century. (NB: that were ex-USSR times here, mainstream/bestselling there on "wild West" books were available here, but sometimes with considerable delay.) > >And somewhere in the beginning of 90-ies there was the "The Computer Revolution in Software System Development" ( http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/The_Computer_Revolution/Software/System_Development ) - all kinds of software design case systems: does anybody of you using something like that in your everyday software development work? > >---- >Resume: there exists "something" elusive, subtle, intangible, imponderable, evasive, vague, volatile, subtle, inappreciable, impalpable - sorry for my English - select any word, which you suppose is better highlighting "never ending, durable software development crisis" issue.. there exists something, which will always make the "new ways of programming" getting obsolete rather quick. And this "something" is "Governing in details" ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_is_in_the_detail ), which will always require 80% of software projects development time to be spent on to keep competing in this accelerating world... > >-- Shamil > > >Tuesday, January 28, 2014 7:59 PM -07:00 from Jim Lawrence < accessd at shaw.ca >: >>Hi All: >> >>For all you developers out there a new way of programming. Check out NoFlo another application that has reached (and surpassed) it financial goal and now is in full development on Kickstarter...another startup program out of San-Francisco. >> >> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/noflo/noflo-development-environment?ref=category >> >>Check this out and what do you think? >> >>Jim >> >>PS It is OSS > From jbartow at winhaven.net Wed Jan 29 09:19:57 2014 From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2014 09:19:57 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] SkyDrive Morphs Into OneDrive Message-ID: <007f01cf1d05$92269dc0$b673d940$@winhaven.net> They'd rather switch than fight: http://www.eweek.com/cloud/slideshows/skydrive-morphs-into-onedrive-why-micr osoft-rebranded-this-service.html?kc=EWKNLEDP01292014A&dni=102682299&rni=328 89555 From ssharkins at gmail.com Wed Jan 29 09:50:15 2014 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2014 10:50:15 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] SkyDrive Morphs Into OneDrive In-Reply-To: <007f01cf1d05$92269dc0$b673d940$@winhaven.net> References: <007f01cf1d05$92269dc0$b673d940$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: Thanks John -- that's good to know. I'm sure someone will tell me why I'm wrong, but I'm just astounded that a company can tag the term "Sky." I'm sure there's more to it, but seriously? On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 10:19 AM, John Bartow wrote: > They'd rather switch than fight: > > http://www.eweek.com/cloud/slideshows/skydrive-morphs-into-onedrive-why-micr > > osoft-rebranded-this-service.html?kc=EWKNLEDP01292014A&dni=102682299&rni=328 > 89555 > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk Wed Jan 29 09:51:39 2014 From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2014 15:51:39 +0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] SkyDrive Morphs Into OneDrive In-Reply-To: References: <007f01cf1d05$92269dc0$b673d940$@winhaven.net>, Message-ID: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB082959C626D3709@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk> BSB or SKY TV was there first Martin Martin W Reid Business Services Team Leader Information Services The McClay Library Queen's University Belfast Belfast BT7 1LP Tel: +44(0)28 9097 6174 Email: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk ________________________________________ From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins [ssharkins at gmail.com] Sent: 29 January 2014 15:50 To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] SkyDrive Morphs Into OneDrive Thanks John -- that's good to know. I'm sure someone will tell me why I'm wrong, but I'm just astounded that a company can tag the term "Sky." I'm sure there's more to it, but seriously? On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 10:19 AM, John Bartow wrote: > They'd rather switch than fight: > > http://www.eweek.com/cloud/slideshows/skydrive-morphs-into-onedrive-why-micr > > osoft-rebranded-this-service.html?kc=EWKNLEDP01292014A&dni=102682299&rni=328 > 89555 > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From ssharkins at gmail.com Wed Jan 29 10:08:47 2014 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2014 11:08:47 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] SkyDrive Morphs Into OneDrive In-Reply-To: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB082959C626D3709@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk> References: <007f01cf1d05$92269dc0$b673d940$@winhaven.net> <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB082959C626D3709@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk> Message-ID: Sky is in common use. How many companies use the term World, Earth, Water... I could go on. :) On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 10:51 AM, Martin Reid wrote: > BSB or SKY TV was there first > > Martin > > Martin W Reid > Business Services Team Leader > Information Services > The McClay Library > Queen's University Belfast > Belfast BT7 1LP > > Tel: +44(0)28 9097 6174 > Email: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk > ________________________________________ > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [ > dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins [ > ssharkins at gmail.com] > Sent: 29 January 2014 15:50 > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] SkyDrive Morphs Into OneDrive > > Thanks John -- that's good to know. I'm sure someone will tell me why I'm > wrong, but I'm just astounded that a company can tag the term "Sky." I'm > sure there's more to it, but seriously? > > > On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 10:19 AM, John Bartow > wrote: > > > They'd rather switch than fight: > > > > > http://www.eweek.com/cloud/slideshows/skydrive-morphs-into-onedrive-why-micr > > > > > osoft-rebranded-this-service.html?kc=EWKNLEDP01292014A&dni=102682299&rni=328 > > 89555 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From gustav at cactus.dk Wed Jan 29 10:32:40 2014 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2014 17:32:40 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] A new graphic program builder Message-ID: <005d01cf1d0f$ba8bc1f0$2fa345d0$@cactus.dk> Hi Shamil Surprisingly? No maybe not. Common sense and decent behaviour have existed since man got civilized. I'll make a note on that book. Thanks! /gustav -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Salakhetdinov Shamil Sendt: 29. januar 2014 13:40 Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] A new graphic program builder Hi Gustav -- "The Mythical Man-Month: Essays on Software Engineering, Anniversary Edition (2nd Edition)" by Frederick P. Brooks Jr. http://www.amazon.com/The-Mythical-Man-Month-Engineering-Anniversary/dp/0201835959 is a "must read" IMO. Recommended. > I share your skepticism. Well, shall we better call it "common sense realism"? :) - "If there are certain principles, as I think there are, which the constitution of our nature leads us to believe, and which we are under a necessity to take for granted in the common concerns of life, without being able to give a reason for them ? these are what we call the principles of common sense; and what is manifestly contrary to them, is what we call absurd." ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_Common_Sense_Realism ) Surprisingly(?) the above statement seems to have roots in Romans (1:20) ( http://www.usccb.org/bible/romans/1:20 ) (The relation of "Governing is in detail(s)" idiom and Romans(1:20) is noted also here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_is_in_the_detail where I have got first it from.) -- Shamil From jbartow at winhaven.net Wed Jan 29 11:01:16 2014 From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2014 11:01:16 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] SkyDrive Morphs Into OneDrive In-Reply-To: References: <007f01cf1d05$92269dc0$b673d940$@winhaven.net> <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB082959C626D3709@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk> Message-ID: <00bd01cf1d13$b9743aa0$2c5cafe0$@winhaven.net> Reminds me of "Apple". Originally Apple records didn't make a big deal out of the use of it for computers but then when Apple started their online music service it became an issue. I suppose Sky TV is being proactive rather than reactive. Eventually MS would including some kind of connection with SkyDrive, Skype & and Streaming video/television. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2014 10:09 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] SkyDrive Morphs Into OneDrive Sky is in common use. How many companies use the term World, Earth, Water... I could go on. :) On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 10:51 AM, Martin Reid wrote: > BSB or SKY TV was there first > > Martin > > Martin W Reid > Business Services Team Leader > Information Services > The McClay Library > Queen's University Belfast > Belfast BT7 1LP > > Tel: +44(0)28 9097 6174 > Email: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk > ________________________________________ > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [ > dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins [ > ssharkins at gmail.com] > Sent: 29 January 2014 15:50 > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] SkyDrive Morphs Into OneDrive > > Thanks John -- that's good to know. I'm sure someone will tell me why > I'm wrong, but I'm just astounded that a company can tag the term > "Sky." I'm sure there's more to it, but seriously? > > > On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 10:19 AM, John Bartow > wrote: > > > They'd rather switch than fight: > > > > > http://www.eweek.com/cloud/slideshows/skydrive-morphs-into-onedrive-wh > y-micr > > > > > osoft-rebranded-this-service.html?kc=EWKNLEDP01292014A&dni=102682299&r > ni=328 > > 89555 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From ssharkins at gmail.com Wed Jan 29 11:05:59 2014 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2014 12:05:59 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] SkyDrive Morphs Into OneDrive In-Reply-To: <00bd01cf1d13$b9743aa0$2c5cafe0$@winhaven.net> References: <007f01cf1d05$92269dc0$b673d940$@winhaven.net> <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB082959C626D3709@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk> <00bd01cf1d13$b9743aa0$2c5cafe0$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: But I wouldn't prohibit the use of Apple for both companies either. I just don't see how you can limit these types of terms. Kind of like MacDonald's usurping the term Mac -- I mean, how many Macs are there in the world and only MacDonald's can use it? I just don't agree or like this type of limitation. Nobody asks me though! :) On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 12:01 PM, John Bartow wrote: > Reminds me of "Apple". Originally Apple records didn't make a big deal out > of the use of it for computers but then when Apple started their online > music service it became an issue. > > I suppose Sky TV is being proactive rather than reactive. Eventually MS > would including some kind of connection with SkyDrive, Skype & and > Streaming > video/television. > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins > Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2014 10:09 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] SkyDrive Morphs Into OneDrive > > Sky is in common use. How many companies use the term World, Earth, > Water... > I could go on. :) > > > On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 10:51 AM, Martin Reid wrote: > > > BSB or SKY TV was there first > > > > Martin > > > > Martin W Reid > > Business Services Team Leader > > Information Services > > The McClay Library > > Queen's University Belfast > > Belfast BT7 1LP > > > > Tel: +44(0)28 9097 6174 > > Email: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk > > ________________________________________ > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [ > > dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins [ > > ssharkins at gmail.com] > > Sent: 29 January 2014 15:50 > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] SkyDrive Morphs Into OneDrive > > > > Thanks John -- that's good to know. I'm sure someone will tell me why > > I'm wrong, but I'm just astounded that a company can tag the term > > "Sky." I'm sure there's more to it, but seriously? > > > > > > On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 10:19 AM, John Bartow > > wrote: > > > > > They'd rather switch than fight: > > > > > > > > http://www.eweek.com/cloud/slideshows/skydrive-morphs-into-onedrive-wh > > y-micr > > > > > > > > osoft-rebranded-this-service.html?kc=EWKNLEDP01292014A&dni=102682299&r > > ni=328 > > > 89555 > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From jbartow at winhaven.net Wed Jan 29 11:31:53 2014 From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2014 11:31:53 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] SkyDrive Morphs Into OneDrive In-Reply-To: References: <007f01cf1d05$92269dc0$b673d940$@winhaven.net> <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB082959C626D3709@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk> <00bd01cf1d13$b9743aa0$2c5cafe0$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: <00e701cf1d18$005d5150$0117f3f0$@winhaven.net> Nor do I. But then I'm never going be in the position to have to worry about it either. Well, maybe I could pursue suing subdivisions for using "Winhaven" ;-) -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2014 11:06 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] SkyDrive Morphs Into OneDrive But I wouldn't prohibit the use of Apple for both companies either. I just don't see how you can limit these types of terms. Kind of like MacDonald's usurping the term Mac -- I mean, how many Macs are there in the world and only MacDonald's can use it? I just don't agree or like this type of limitation. Nobody asks me though! :) On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 12:01 PM, John Bartow wrote: > Reminds me of "Apple". Originally Apple records didn't make a big deal > out of the use of it for computers but then when Apple started their > online music service it became an issue. > > I suppose Sky TV is being proactive rather than reactive. Eventually > MS would including some kind of connection with SkyDrive, Skype & and > Streaming video/television. > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan > Harkins > Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2014 10:09 AM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] SkyDrive Morphs Into OneDrive > > Sky is in common use. How many companies use the term World, Earth, > Water... > I could go on. :) > > > On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 10:51 AM, Martin Reid wrote: > > > BSB or SKY TV was there first > > > > Martin > > > > Martin W Reid > > Business Services Team Leader > > Information Services > > The McClay Library > > Queen's University Belfast > > Belfast BT7 1LP > > > > Tel: +44(0)28 9097 6174 > > Email: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk > > ________________________________________ > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [ > > dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins [ > > ssharkins at gmail.com] > > Sent: 29 January 2014 15:50 > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] SkyDrive Morphs Into OneDrive > > > > Thanks John -- that's good to know. I'm sure someone will tell me > > why I'm wrong, but I'm just astounded that a company can tag the > > term "Sky." I'm sure there's more to it, but seriously? > > > > > > On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 10:19 AM, John Bartow > > wrote: > > > > > They'd rather switch than fight: > > > > > > > > http://www.eweek.com/cloud/slideshows/skydrive-morphs-into-onedrive- > > wh > > y-micr > > > > > > > > osoft-rebranded-this-service.html?kc=EWKNLEDP01292014A&dni=102682299 > > &r > > ni=328 > > > 89555 > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-Tech mailing list > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Wed Jan 29 12:18:24 2014 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2014 13:18:24 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] A new graphic program builder In-Reply-To: <005d01cf1d0f$ba8bc1f0$2fa345d0$@cactus.dk> References: <005d01cf1d0f$ba8bc1f0$2fa345d0$@cactus.dk> Message-ID: Gustav, *The Mythical Man Month* is absolutely essential reading for anyone in our business. In a way, it's the story of a colossal failure, and the lessons learned therein. Among other things Mr. Brooks proves is the principle "The more programmers you throw at a problem the longer it will take to solve." He has the evidence to prove it. The team ends up spending 30 hours a week in meetings and onl7 10 hours actually writing code. This lesson has boiled down to one of my favourite maxims: "If you need a baby in a month, it doesn't help to get 9 women." *TMMM* also has the advantage of being a slim volume. You could read it in one sitting. But once read, you will never forget it. Every paragraph wears the scars of sad experience. Arthur On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 11:32 AM, Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi Shamil > > Surprisingly? No maybe not. Common sense and decent behaviour have existed > since man got civilized. > > I'll make a note on that book. Thanks! > > /gustav > > -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- > Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto: > dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Salakhetdinov Shamil > Sendt: 29. januar 2014 13:40 > Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] A new graphic program builder > > Hi Gustav -- > > "The Mythical Man-Month: Essays on Software Engineering, Anniversary > Edition (2nd Edition)" by Frederick P. Brooks Jr. > > http://www.amazon.com/The-Mythical-Man-Month-Engineering-Anniversary/dp/0201835959is a "must read" IMO. Recommended. > > > I share your skepticism. > Well, shall we better call it "common sense realism"? :) - "If there are > certain principles, as I think there are, which the constitution of our > nature leads us to believe, and which we are under a necessity to take for > granted in the common concerns of life, without being able to give a reason > for them -- these are what we call the principles of common sense; and what > is manifestly contrary to them, is what we call absurd." ( > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_Common_Sense_Realism ) > > Surprisingly(?) the above statement seems to have roots in Romans (1:20) ( > http://www.usccb.org/bible/romans/1:20 ) (The relation of "Governing is > in detail(s)" idiom and Romans(1:20) is noted also here > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_is_in_the_detail where I have got first > it from.) > > -- Shamil > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Arthur From gustav at cactus.dk Wed Jan 29 13:10:50 2014 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2014 20:10:50 +0100 Subject: [dba-Tech] A new graphic program builder Message-ID: Hi Arthur OK, it's on my shortlist. Thanks! /gustav >>> fuller.artful at gmail.com 29-01-14 19:18 >>> Gustav, *The Mythical Man Month* is absolutely essential reading for anyone in our business. In a way, it's the story of a colossal failure, and the lessons learned therein. Among other things Mr. Brooks proves is the principle "The more programmers you throw at a problem the longer it will take to solve." He has the evidence to prove it. The team ends up spending 30 hours a week in meetings and onl7 10 hours actually writing code. This lesson has boiled down to one of my favourite maxims: "If you need a baby in a month, it doesn't help to get 9 women." *TMMM* also has the advantage of being a slim volume. You could read it in one sitting. But once read, you will never forget it. Every paragraph wears the scars of sad experience. Arthur On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 11:32 AM, Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi Shamil > > Surprisingly? No maybe not. Common sense and decent behaviour have existed > since man got civilized. > > I'll make a note on that book. Thanks! > > /gustav > > -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- > Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto: > dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Salakhetdinov Shamil > Sendt: 29. januar 2014 13:40 > Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] A new graphic program builder > > Hi Gustav -- > > "The Mythical Man-Month: Essays on Software Engineering, Anniversary > Edition (2nd Edition)" by Frederick P. Brooks Jr. > > http://www.amazon.com/The-Mythical-Man-Month-Engineering-Anniversary/dp/0201835959is a "must read" IMO. Recommended. > > > I share your skepticism. > Well, shall we better call it "common sense realism"? :) - "If there are > certain principles, as I think there are, which the constitution of our > nature leads us to believe, and which we are under a necessity to take for > granted in the common concerns of life, without being able to give a reason > for them -- these are what we call the principles of common sense; and what > is manifestly contrary to them, is what we call absurd." ( > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_Common_Sense_Realism ) > > Surprisingly(?) the above statement seems to have roots in Romans (1:20) ( > http://www.usccb.org/bible/romans/1:20 ) (The relation of "Governing is > in detail(s)" idiom and Romans(1:20) is noted also here > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_is_in_the_detail where I have got first > it from.) > > -- Shamil From fuller.artful at gmail.com Wed Jan 29 14:07:39 2014 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2014 15:07:39 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] SkyDrive Morphs Into OneDrive In-Reply-To: <00e701cf1d18$005d5150$0117f3f0$@winhaven.net> References: <007f01cf1d05$92269dc0$b673d940$@winhaven.net> <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB082959C626D3709@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk> <00bd01cf1d13$b9743aa0$2c5cafe0$@winhaven.net> <00e701cf1d18$005d5150$0117f3f0$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: It was the whole word SkyDrive that was in dispute, not just Sky. But Canadian law, at least, is concerned more with possible confusion of products than with duplication of names. For example, Apple gets away with calling a computer Macintosh, since there is little doubt that a buyer could order a barrel of Macintoshes and end up with a barrel full of computers. There are only so many names, after all. This reminds me of a bit from one of my favourite novels, JR, by William Gaddis, in which two boys are looking at a horse and someone says it's a Mustang. JR says to his friend, "That's weird, naming a horse after a car." Arthur From accessd at shaw.ca Wed Jan 29 14:19:42 2014 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2014 13:19:42 -0700 (MST) Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows will rise again. In-Reply-To: <4b0ed69d1dd443dcb1e1d22230a6ed61@CHVEX12.lonzagroup.net> Message-ID: <1986697826.136244846.1391026782574.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi All: Is the issue with freezing up a default configuration or is it a setting that someone has to set? If it is a default situation then it is a problem because the average user would not have a clue or even feel they should have to...it should just work right out of the box just like a toaster. ;-) The truth is I do not have a "Dog in this fight". I have updated no one to Windows 8 and do not have any Windows 8.x computers. When Windows 9 comes out, I will take another serious look as I believe that Windows 9 will have gotten a lot of the issues resolved, be able to swap from desktop to web instantly and have a lot more features...the bottom line is that I do not have to move my desktops and those of any clients anywhere...we are just happy where we are. The desktop OS is becoming more irrelevant as the industry evolves...all you need is a (good) browser. OTOH, building servers and the software they support, now that is where the money is...and most of the latest technology...and there is no Windows 8 in that world...databases, software deployment, server side software, email servers, web servers, cloud servers, backups, network security, user management and so on. The other concern is that I do not believe that Microsoft has a firm commitment to the Desktop. One day we may find that, like Google and Firefox, we will only have a MS browser desktop? Aside: And while we are on the subject, I think the way to install a network is from the server. Have the server constructed on the workbench for your specific client. Assemble all the components, images, features that they need so that when that new server is unboxed on site everything is ready to deploy. Each station will be built from the server and the network should not be OS dependant or should any desktop software...it is a BYOC (bring your own computer) world now. Of course it could be a major point of discussion on how to assemble the perfect server...and I have been working on that for years now. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tydda Jon - Lonza Slough" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2014 1:16:26 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows will rise again. I've seen freeze-ups on my Windows 8.1 laptop, but there's a "known" feature with the search indexer - if you disable that service, it stops it using 100% of the CPU, and makes it all better. Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2014 7:22 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows will rise again. Hi Jim As Windows 8 is great, why not Windows 9? Seems from the comments like you have a US-centric issue: .. everybody I've talked with who has either 64-bit Windows 7 or 64-bit Windows 8 has these freeze-ups .. Never seen that here. /gustav -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Jim Lawrence Sendt: 28. januar 2014 20:26 Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Emne: [dba-Tech] Windows will rise again. Hi All: Microsoft has been set back seriously with it desktop PC. Is this a surprise...no, as it seems every second release borks...from Windows98 and on, so it really comes as no surprise. The concepts of Windows 8, I thought were pretty good, basically but unfortunately that concept was not articulated to the point where the average non techy could grasp. Most of the major proponents and evangelists of the Window8 project have left Microsoft as of late. (a purge?) What I am waiting for is Window9. Microsoft has always been able to pull it together, on the second try and I am expecting great things. Gesture controlled screen, from a distance, voice activation and control, easy connection and streaming to all hardware and appliances, unobtrusive solid security and so on. http://www.techrepublic.com/article/microsofts-monumental-task-in-windows-9- win-back-the-base/#ftag=RSS56d97e7 I think, if true to form, Windows9 will be a success... Thoughts? Jim _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com ________________________________ This communication and its attachments, if any, may contain confidential and privileged information the use of which by other persons or entities than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you receive this transmission in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete the material from your system. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From tinanfields at torchlake.com Wed Jan 29 15:14:05 2014 From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2014 16:14:05 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows will rise again. In-Reply-To: References: <003101cf1cc2$bf6ba610$3e42f230$@cactus.dk> <4b0ed69d1dd443dcb1e1d22230a6ed61@CHVEX12.lonzagroup.net> Message-ID: <52E96F1D.20707@torchlake.com> Same here. No freeze-ups. I hope that remains true. :-) TNF Tina Norris Fields tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com 231-322-2787 On 1/29/2014 4:51 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > Well Jon, > > > If it's a standard service then all I can say is that I have yet to > experience a freeze-up despite its operation. > > Arthur > > > On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 4:46 AM, Tydda Jon - Lonza Slough < > jon.tydda at lonza.com> wrote: > >> Yes, it's a standard service. But for what I use my laptop for (games and >> internet), it's really unnecessary. >> > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From jbartow at winhaven.net Wed Jan 29 17:47:27 2014 From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2014 17:47:27 -0600 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows will rise again. In-Reply-To: <52E96F1D.20707@torchlake.com> References: <003101cf1cc2$bf6ba610$3e42f230$@cactus.dk> <4b0ed69d1dd443dcb1e1d22230a6ed61@CHVEX12.lonzagroup.net> <52E96F1D.20707@torchlake.com> Message-ID: <019d01cf1d4c$780d95f0$6828c1d0$@winhaven.net> I've had no troubles with the Windows 8/8.1 OS. Some of the apps annoying bounce in and out of desktop mode but as I've stated many times: Over the last decade Microsoft has released the finished product every second version. The first version of something new is an incomplete transition from the old model. Windows 95 (incomplete) - Windows 98 (finished) Office 95 (incomplete) - Office 97 (finished) Windows 2000 (incomplete) - Windows XP (finished) Office 2000 (incomplete) - Office 2003 (finished) Windows Vista (incomplete) - Windows 7 (finished) Office 2007 (incomplete) - Office 2010 (finished) Windows 8 (incomplete) - Windows 9 (finished?) Office 2013 (incomplete) - Office 2016 (finished?) They throw a herring in there every now and then too (Windows Millenium! Outlook 98, Office 2002, etc.) -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris Fields Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2014 3:14 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows will rise again. Same here. No freeze-ups. I hope that remains true. :-) TNF Tina Norris Fields tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com 231-322-2787 On 1/29/2014 4:51 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > Well Jon, > > > If it's a standard service then all I can say is that I have yet to > experience a freeze-up despite its operation. > > Arthur > > > On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 4:46 AM, Tydda Jon - Lonza Slough < > jon.tydda at lonza.com> wrote: > >> Yes, it's a standard service. But for what I use my laptop for (games >> and internet), it's really unnecessary. >> > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Wed Jan 29 18:31:27 2014 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2014 17:31:27 -0700 (MST) Subject: [dba-Tech] A new graphic program builder In-Reply-To: <1390993124.662424202@f348.i.mail.ru> Message-ID: <19889829.136525174.1391041887574.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi Shamil: I remember around the time Borland was totting their new product, which at the time I thought was impossible, by the way, there was a heated debate about whether ISAM and indexed flat-based files were going to be replaced by Oracle's new SQL server. We all now know what happened. Products will live and die as the capabilities, needs and understand grows. Whether it is the right time for Flow-Based Programming the market will tell but the concept is not going away. The only thing that is giving me some hope that there actually be a working version, at the end of the design phase, is the very strong team of developers, working on the project. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2014 2:58:44 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] A new graphic program builder Hi Jim et All -- I'm sorry to be rather skeptical on all that "new way" visual "logic drawing-driven" "rapid application development" tools - have a look: "by CBR Staff Writer| 12 February 1991 ... In another age the product might have been described as an expert system, but the buzz word now is Object and the product offers visual programming techniques to enable users to stipulate objects and processes via drawings..." http://www.cbronline.com/news/borland_objectvision_makes_writing_windows_programs_easy Do you remember it - Borland Object Vision? I do. And before that around year 1981 last century there was? "Application Development Without Programmers" James Martin (Author) http://www.amazon.com/Application-Development-Without-Programmers-Martin/dp/0130389439 Did you read it? I did. And I did read it on that ancient now times. It was exciting reading... that time. And the "Application Development Without Programmers" was published a few years *after* this well known book: "The Mythical Man-Month" by Fred Brooks http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Mythical_Man-Month Did you read it? I did. And I did read it nearly the same time as I did read the?"Application Development Without Programmers" book somewhere in the beginning of 80-ies of last century. (NB: that were ex-USSR times here, mainstream/bestselling there on "wild West" books were available here, but sometimes with considerable delay.) And somewhere in the beginning of 90-ies there was the "The Computer Revolution in Software System Development"?( http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/The_Computer_Revolution/Software/System_Development ) - all kinds of software design case systems: does anybody of you using something like that in your everyday software development work? ---- Resume: there exists "something"?elusive, subtle, intangible, imponderable, evasive, vague, volatile, subtle, inappreciable, impalpable - sorry for my English - select any word, which you suppose is better highlighting "never ending, durable software development crisis" issue.. there exists something, which will always make the "new ways of programming" getting obsolete rather quick. And this "something" is "Governing in details" ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_is_in_the_detail ), which will always require 80% of software projects development time to be spent on to keep competing in this accelerating world... -- Shamil Tuesday, January 28, 2014 7:59 PM -07:00 from Jim Lawrence : >Hi All: > >For all you developers out there a new way of programming. Check out NoFlo another application that has reached (and surpassed) it financial goal and now is in full development on Kickstarter...another startup program out of San-Francisco. > >https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/noflo/noflo-development-environment?ref=category > >Check this out and what do you think? > >Jim > >PS It is OSS >_______________________________________________ > -- ???????????? ?????? _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Wed Jan 29 19:03:18 2014 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2014 18:03:18 -0700 (MST) Subject: [dba-Tech] A new graphic program builder In-Reply-To: <007b01cf1ce3$db518360$91f48a20$@cactus.dk> Message-ID: <1181581571.136552476.1391043798937.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi Gustav: I would take a wait and see attitude on this product. It is not "if" this type of development is going to happen but "when" it is. I do not see a great jump between our numerous sophisticated quick app packages like MS Access and ASP.Net; drag, drop, cut and paste, with macros, batch files and built-in functions...it is such a long way from coding in C or worse yet, assembler. (I have an odd guilty pleasure from saving fine pieces of code, from numerous sources, as it helps to inspire me...some fragments, from my library, date back thirty years...and those snippets were just as good then as they are now.) It is getting harder to find a good programmer, as so many build huge applications on garbage code as speed is what counts with many coding illiterate managers. This is of course another reason I like OSS and GitHub as all the code is out there with all the brilliance, warts and bugs, for all their peers to see. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gustav Brock" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2014 3:18:37 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] A new graphic program builder Hi Shamil That settles it, I believe, though I haven't read any of those books. I share your skepticism. /gustav -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Salakhetdinov Shamil Sendt: 29. januar 2014 11:59 Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] A new graphic program builder Hi Jim et All -- I'm sorry to be rather skeptical on all that "new way" visual "logic drawing-driven" "rapid application development" tools - have a look: "by CBR Staff Writer| 12 February 1991 ... In another age the product might have been described as an expert system, but the buzz word now is Object and the product offers visual programming techniques to enable users to stipulate objects and processes via drawings..." http://www.cbronline.com/news/borland_objectvision_makes_writing_windows_programs_easy Do you remember it - Borland Object Vision? I do. And before that around year 1981 last century there was "Application Development Without Programmers" James Martin (Author) http://www.amazon.com/Application-Development-Without-Programmers-Martin/dp/0130389439 Did you read it? I did. And I did read it on that ancient now times. It was exciting reading... that time. And the "Application Development Without Programmers" was published a few years *after* this well known book: "The Mythical Man-Month" by Fred Brooks http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Mythical_Man-Month Did you read it? I did. And I did read it nearly the same time as I did read the "Application Development Without Programmers" book somewhere in the beginning of 80-ies of last century. (NB: that were ex-USSR times here, mainstream/bestselling there on "wild West" books were available here, but sometimes with considerable delay.) And somewhere in the beginning of 90-ies there was the "The Computer Revolution in Software System Development" ( http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/The_Computer_Revolution/Software/System_Development ) - all kinds of software design case systems: does anybody of you using something like that in your everyday software development work? ---- Resume: there exists "something" elusive, subtle, intangible, imponderable, evasive, vague, volatile, subtle, inappreciable, impalpable - sorry for my English - select any word, which you suppose is better highlighting "never ending, durable software development crisis" issue.. there exists something, which will always make the "new ways of programming" getting obsolete rather quick. And this "something" is "Governing in details" ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_is_in_the_detail ), which will always require 80% of software projects development time to be spent on to keep competing in this accelerating world... -- Shamil Tuesday, January 28, 2014 7:59 PM -07:00 from Jim Lawrence : >Hi All: > >For all you developers out there a new way of programming. Check out NoFlo another application that has reached (and surpassed) it financial goal and now is in full development on Kickstarter...another startup program out of San-Francisco. > >https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/noflo/noflo-development-environment?ref=category > >Check this out and what do you think? > >Jim > >PS It is OSS _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Wed Jan 29 20:18:28 2014 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2014 21:18:28 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows will rise again. In-Reply-To: <019d01cf1d4c$780d95f0$6828c1d0$@winhaven.net> References: <003101cf1cc2$bf6ba610$3e42f230$@cactus.dk> <4b0ed69d1dd443dcb1e1d22230a6ed61@CHVEX12.lonzagroup.net> <52E96F1D.20707@torchlake.com> <019d01cf1d4c$780d95f0$6828c1d0$@winhaven.net> Message-ID: Although I posted it on a separate thread, I'm so enamoured with Classic Shell that I deem it worth another mention here. It leaves everything Windows8-style alone, while also bringing back everything wonderful and familiar about the Start button. It's also freely downloadable from www. *classicshell*.net/. This single install will transform your comfort level with the Windows 8 environment. Arthur On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 6:47 PM, John Bartow wrote: > I've had no troubles with the Windows 8/8.1 OS. Some of the apps annoying > bounce in and out of desktop mode but as I've stated many times: Over the > last decade Microsoft has released the finished product every second > version. The first version of something new is an incomplete transition > from > the old model. > > Windows 95 (incomplete) - Windows 98 (finished) > Office 95 (incomplete) - Office 97 (finished) > Windows 2000 (incomplete) - Windows XP (finished) > Office 2000 (incomplete) - Office 2003 (finished) > Windows Vista (incomplete) - Windows 7 (finished) > Office 2007 (incomplete) - Office 2010 (finished) > Windows 8 (incomplete) - Windows 9 (finished?) > Office 2013 (incomplete) - Office 2016 (finished?) > > They throw a herring in there every now and then too (Windows Millenium! > Outlook 98, Office 2002, etc.) > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris > Fields > Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2014 3:14 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows will rise again. > > Same here. No freeze-ups. I hope that remains true. :-) TNF > > Tina Norris Fields > tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com > 231-322-2787 > > On 1/29/2014 4:51 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote: > > Well Jon, > > > > > > If it's a standard service then all I can say is that I have yet to > > experience a freeze-up despite its operation. > > > > Arthur > > > > > > On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 4:46 AM, Tydda Jon - Lonza Slough < > > jon.tydda at lonza.com> wrote: > > > >> Yes, it's a standard service. But for what I use my laptop for (games > >> and internet), it's really unnecessary. > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-Tech mailing list > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Arthur From jon.tydda at lonza.com Thu Jan 30 03:12:59 2014 From: jon.tydda at lonza.com (Tydda Jon - Lonza Slough) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2014 09:12:59 +0000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows will rise again. In-Reply-To: <1986697826.136244846.1391026782574.JavaMail.root@cds002> References: <4b0ed69d1dd443dcb1e1d22230a6ed61@CHVEX12.lonzagroup.net> <1986697826.136244846.1391026782574.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: As a helpdesk tech, the worst idea in the world is BYOD. With a standard piece of desktop hardware, rolled out to several hundred users, that's great. If one breaks, we can swap it out with a spare, or reimage it in an hour. With people's own personal hardware, it's hell to support. Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2014 8:20 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows will rise again. Hi All: Is the issue with freezing up a default configuration or is it a setting that someone has to set? If it is a default situation then it is a problem because the average user would not have a clue or even feel they should have to...it should just work right out of the box just like a toaster. ;-) The truth is I do not have a "Dog in this fight". I have updated no one to Windows 8 and do not have any Windows 8.x computers. When Windows 9 comes out, I will take another serious look as I believe that Windows 9 will have gotten a lot of the issues resolved, be able to swap from desktop to web instantly and have a lot more features...the bottom line is that I do not have to move my desktops and those of any clients anywhere...we are just happy where we are. The desktop OS is becoming more irrelevant as the industry evolves...all you need is a (good) browser. OTOH, building servers and the software they support, now that is where the money is...and most of the latest technology...and there is no Windows 8 in that world...databases, software deployment, server side software, email servers, web servers, cloud servers, backups, network security, user management and so on. The other concern is that I do not believe that Microsoft has a firm commitment to the Desktop. One day we may find that, like Google and Firefox, we will only have a MS browser desktop? Aside: And while we are on the subject, I think the way to install a network is from the server. Have the server constructed on the workbench for your specific client. Assemble all the components, images, features that they need so that when that new server is unboxed on site everything is ready to deploy. Each station will be built from the server and the network should not be OS dependant or should any desktop software...it is a BYOC (bring your own computer) world now. Of course it could be a major point of discussion on how to assemble the perfect server...and I have been working on that for years now. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tydda Jon - Lonza Slough" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2014 1:16:26 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows will rise again. I've seen freeze-ups on my Windows 8.1 laptop, but there's a "known" feature with the search indexer - if you disable that service, it stops it using 100% of the CPU, and makes it all better. Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2014 7:22 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows will rise again. Hi Jim As Windows 8 is great, why not Windows 9? Seems from the comments like you have a US-centric issue: .. everybody I've talked with who has either 64-bit Windows 7 or 64-bit Windows 8 has these freeze-ups .. Never seen that here. /gustav -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Jim Lawrence Sendt: 28. januar 2014 20:26 Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Emne: [dba-Tech] Windows will rise again. Hi All: Microsoft has been set back seriously with it desktop PC. Is this a surprise...no, as it seems every second release borks...from Windows98 and on, so it really comes as no surprise. The concepts of Windows 8, I thought were pretty good, basically but unfortunately that concept was not articulated to the point where the average non techy could grasp. Most of the major proponents and evangelists of the Window8 project have left Microsoft as of late. (a purge?) What I am waiting for is Window9. Microsoft has always been able to pull it together, on the second try and I am expecting great things. Gesture controlled screen, from a distance, voice activation and control, easy connection and streaming to all hardware and appliances, unobtrusive solid security and so on. http://www.techrepublic.com/article/microsofts-monumental-task-in-windows-9- win-back-the-base/#ftag=RSS56d97e7 I think, if true to form, Windows9 will be a success... Thoughts? Jim _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com ________________________________ This communication and its attachments, if any, may contain confidential and privileged information the use of which by other persons or entities than the intended recipient is prohibited. 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From accessd at shaw.ca Thu Jan 30 13:10:08 2014 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2014 12:10:08 -0700 (MST) Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows will rise again. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <23469705.137281210.1391109008656.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi Jim: I could not agree with you more. Security would be a nightmare to start with. Network isolation would be mandatory. OTOH, companies' with webbased infrastructure are already setup for this type of environment. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tydda Jon - Lonza Slough" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2014 1:12:59 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows will rise again. As a helpdesk tech, the worst idea in the world is BYOD. With a standard piece of desktop hardware, rolled out to several hundred users, that's great. If one breaks, we can swap it out with a spare, or reimage it in an hour. With people's own personal hardware, it's hell to support. Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2014 8:20 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows will rise again. Hi All: Is the issue with freezing up a default configuration or is it a setting that someone has to set? If it is a default situation then it is a problem because the average user would not have a clue or even feel they should have to...it should just work right out of the box just like a toaster. ;-) The truth is I do not have a "Dog in this fight". I have updated no one to Windows 8 and do not have any Windows 8.x computers. When Windows 9 comes out, I will take another serious look as I believe that Windows 9 will have gotten a lot of the issues resolved, be able to swap from desktop to web instantly and have a lot more features...the bottom line is that I do not have to move my desktops and those of any clients anywhere...we are just happy where we are. The desktop OS is becoming more irrelevant as the industry evolves...all you need is a (good) browser. OTOH, building servers and the software they support, now that is where the money is...and most of the latest technology...and there is no Windows 8 in that world...databases, software deployment, server side software, email servers, web servers, cloud servers, backups, network security, user management and so on. The other concern is that I do not believe that Microsoft has a firm commitment to the Desktop. One day we may find that, like Google and Firefox, we will only have a MS browser desktop? Aside: And while we are on the subject, I think the way to install a network is from the server. Have the server constructed on the workbench for your specific client. Assemble all the components, images, features that they need so that when that new server is unboxed on site everything is ready to deploy. Each station will be built from the server and the network should not be OS dependant or should any desktop software...it is a BYOC (bring your own computer) world now. Of course it could be a major point of discussion on how to assemble the perfect server...and I have been working on that for years now. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tydda Jon - Lonza Slough" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2014 1:16:26 AM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows will rise again. I've seen freeze-ups on my Windows 8.1 laptop, but there's a "known" feature with the search indexer - if you disable that service, it stops it using 100% of the CPU, and makes it all better. Jon -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2014 7:22 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows will rise again. Hi Jim As Windows 8 is great, why not Windows 9? Seems from the comments like you have a US-centric issue: .. everybody I've talked with who has either 64-bit Windows 7 or 64-bit Windows 8 has these freeze-ups .. Never seen that here. /gustav -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Jim Lawrence Sendt: 28. januar 2014 20:26 Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Emne: [dba-Tech] Windows will rise again. Hi All: Microsoft has been set back seriously with it desktop PC. Is this a surprise...no, as it seems every second release borks...from Windows98 and on, so it really comes as no surprise. The concepts of Windows 8, I thought were pretty good, basically but unfortunately that concept was not articulated to the point where the average non techy could grasp. Most of the major proponents and evangelists of the Window8 project have left Microsoft as of late. (a purge?) What I am waiting for is Window9. Microsoft has always been able to pull it together, on the second try and I am expecting great things. Gesture controlled screen, from a distance, voice activation and control, easy connection and streaming to all hardware and appliances, unobtrusive solid security and so on. http://www.techrepublic.com/article/microsofts-monumental-task-in-windows-9- win-back-the-base/#ftag=RSS56d97e7 I think, if true to form, Windows9 will be a success... Thoughts? Jim _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com ________________________________ This communication and its attachments, if any, may contain confidential and privileged information the use of which by other persons or entities than the intended recipient is prohibited. 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If you receive this transmission in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete the material from your system. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Thu Jan 30 19:37:35 2014 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2014 18:37:35 -0700 (MST) Subject: [dba-Tech] Build the world In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1737558978.137711740.1391132255614.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi All: There was and still is a lot of interest in Mindcraft. Installing the package on one of your servers and inviting a few friends online to help build a ever expanding world is a fun activity for the younger tech crowd. https://www.digitalocean.com/community/articles/how-to-set-up-a-minecraft-server-on-linux Aside: Word to the wise; never install the package if it is not within a virtual drive as there are some Java bugs which could allow some savvy hackers to break into your computer...not to worry but just a note of concern. Google, not be out done have added there own version to the mix. This time, instead of SGA graphics you get to use lego blocks and instead of a mythical world you get to build anywhere in the real world from anywhere in the world. http://www.theverge.com/2014/1/28/5354256/google-lego-tool-chrome Jim From accessd at shaw.ca Thu Jan 30 19:48:23 2014 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2014 18:48:23 -0700 (MST) Subject: [dba-Tech] Another universal Mobile phone builder In-Reply-To: <1737558978.137711740.1391132255614.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: <960846421.137718315.1391132903449.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi All: Apache Cordova is a set of device APIs that allow a mobile app developer to access native device function such as the camera or accelerometer from JavaScript. Combined with a UI framework such as jQuery Mobile or Dojo Mobile or Sencha Touch, this allows a smartphone app to be developed with just HTML, CSS, and JavaScript. http://cordova.apache.org Interesting. Jim From accessd at shaw.ca Thu Jan 30 19:54:01 2014 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2014 18:54:01 -0700 (MST) Subject: [dba-Tech] Cloud computer In-Reply-To: <1737558978.137711740.1391132255614.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: <39662278.137721790.1391133241199.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi All: Cloud9 has built a full IDE and UI which will allow you to build and try out Cloud application for free and from there you can migrate the results to Cloud sites like Azure, Cloud Foundry and so on. https://c9.io/ Jim From accessd at shaw.ca Thu Jan 30 19:56:36 2014 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2014 18:56:36 -0700 (MST) Subject: [dba-Tech] Microsoft has free EBooks. In-Reply-To: <1737558978.137711740.1391132255614.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: <1890132610.137723716.1391133396583.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi All: Microsoft is giving away free EBooks for those wanting to become skilled in their new technology. http://blogs.msdn.com/b/microsoft_press/archive/2014/01/27/free-ebooks-now-on-the-microsoft-virtual-academy-site.aspx Jim From accessd at shaw.ca Thu Jan 30 20:02:11 2014 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2014 19:02:11 -0700 (MST) Subject: [dba-Tech] Intel's new Siri In-Reply-To: <1737558978.137711740.1391132255614.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: <1393820642.137729374.1391133731238.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi All: To compete with Apple's Siri, Intel has created a chip capable of doing the work of Siri but without having all the Cloud delays? http://venturebeat.com/2014/01/28/intels-offline-voice-recognition-tech-could-be-a-siri-killer Jim From accessd at shaw.ca Thu Jan 30 23:45:46 2014 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2014 22:45:46 -0700 (MST) Subject: [dba-Tech] Technology trends In-Reply-To: <1737558978.137711740.1391132255614.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: <929257885.137884450.1391147146248.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi All: A new webservice tries to answer those question by using technology. Can we assume this will also not only show the trends but predict the future direction, growth and the products that will drive our technology? http://www.thoughtworks.com/radar/#/ Jim From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Fri Jan 31 15:08:05 2014 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Sat, 01 Feb 2014 07:08:05 +1000 Subject: [dba-Tech] Technology trends In-Reply-To: <929257885.137884450.1391147146248.JavaMail.root@cds002> References: <1737558978.137711740.1391132255614.JavaMail.root@cds002>, <929257885.137884450.1391147146248.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: <52EC10B5.10179.1A3D5634@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> New webservice? Bullsh*t - it's just a corporate blog from an artsy-fartsy, news-age touchy-feely software company -- Stuart On 30 Jan 2014 at 22:45, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Hi All: > > A new webservice tries to answer those question by using technology. > Can we assume this will also not only show the trends but predict the > future direction, growth and the products that will drive our > technology? > > http://www.thoughtworks.com/radar/#/ > > Jim > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From mcp2004 at mail.ru Fri Jan 31 15:53:36 2014 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Sat, 01 Feb 2014 01:53:36 +0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?Technology_trends?= In-Reply-To: <929257885.137884450.1391147146248.JavaMail.root@cds002> References: <1737558978.137711740.1391132255614.JavaMail.root@cds002> <929257885.137884450.1391147146248.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: <1391205216.955468146@f312.i.mail.ru> Hi Jim -- This one is from/directed by Martin Fowler. It should be a reliable source. Of course nobody has a crystal ball... Thank you. -- Shamil Thursday, January 30, 2014 10:45 PM -07:00 from Jim Lawrence : >Hi All: > >A new webservice tries to answer those question by using technology. Can we assume this will also not only show the trends but predict the future direction, growth and the products that will drive our technology? > >http://www.thoughtworks.com/radar/#/ > >Jim >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- ???????????? ?????? From mcp2004 at mail.ru Fri Jan 31 15:55:08 2014 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Sat, 01 Feb 2014 01:55:08 +0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?Another_universal_Mobile_phone_builder?= In-Reply-To: <960846421.137718315.1391132903449.JavaMail.root@cds002> References: <1737558978.137711740.1391132255614.JavaMail.root@cds002> <960846421.137718315.1391132903449.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: <1391205308.66721997@f312.i.mail.ru> Hi Jim -- That was a missing part in my set of tools to try to get learned through within this year. Thank you. -- Shamil Thursday, January 30, 2014 6:48 PM -07:00 from Jim Lawrence : >Hi All: > >Apache Cordova is a set of device APIs that allow a mobile app developer to access native device function such as the camera or accelerometer from JavaScript. Combined with a UI framework such as jQuery Mobile or Dojo Mobile or Sencha Touch, this allows a smartphone app to be developed with just HTML, CSS, and JavaScript. > >http://cordova.apache.org > >Interesting. > >Jim >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- ???????????? ?????? From mcp2004 at mail.ru Fri Jan 31 15:57:10 2014 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Sat, 01 Feb 2014 01:57:10 +0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?Build_the_world?= In-Reply-To: <1737558978.137711740.1391132255614.JavaMail.root@cds002> References: <1737558978.137711740.1391132255614.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: <1391205430.343542916@f152.i.mail.ru> Hi Jim -- Thank you, I have got the link forwarded to my son and his friends - they used to play Minecraft and even to develop some Javascript plug-ins for it.? -- Shamil Thursday, January 30, 2014 6:37 PM -07:00 from Jim Lawrence : >Hi All: > >There was and still is a lot of interest in Mindcraft. Installing the package on one of your servers and inviting a few friends online to help build a ever expanding world is a fun activity for the younger tech crowd. > >https://www.digitalocean.com/community/articles/how-to-set-up-a-minecraft-server-on-linux > >Aside: Word to the wise; never install the package if it is not within a virtual drive as there are some Java bugs which could allow some savvy hackers to break into your computer...not to worry but just a note of concern. > >Google, not be out done have added there own version to the mix. This time, instead of SGA graphics you get to use lego blocks and instead of a mythical world you get to build anywhere in the real world from anywhere in the world. > >http://www.theverge.com/2014/1/28/5354256/google-lego-tool-chrome > >Jim > >????? >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- ???????????? ?????? From mcp2004 at mail.ru Fri Jan 31 16:22:09 2014 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Sat, 01 Feb 2014 02:22:09 +0400 Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?A_new_graphic_program_builder?= In-Reply-To: <19889829.136525174.1391041887574.JavaMail.root@cds002> References: <1390993124.662424202@f348.i.mail.ru> <19889829.136525174.1391041887574.JavaMail.root@cds002> Message-ID: <1391206929.536646930@f152.i.mail.ru> Hi Jim -- Actually, AFAIKR, the heated debate that time was about - hierarchical vs. network (CODASYL) databases (70-ies last century) and then - network (CODASYL) vs. relational databases (80-ies last century). And ISAM/VSAM (and even BDAM) were a "parallel" theme - file access methods to use to implement RDMBSes physical layers. There were a lot of research on distributed databases also in 80-ies as well as on parallel/multi-threaded programming. AFAIU Oracle got a lot from DB2 and other relational DB research projects of 80-ies. Nowadays NoSQL "movement" for Big Data manipulation is looking as "another circle of evolution spiral" (back to hierarchical/network databases) - so one can expect that relational databases will get back in even "bigger that nowadays Big Data Manipulation real business" in 30 years or less on another higher level of never ending evolution spiral... As for Flow-Based Programming - IMO that is a "birds view" or tip of iceberg of what an experienced modern programmer has(/is able) to do by hands. And the gap between what can be done by using Flow-Based Programming (Automation) and by hands will only grow with time. Just my opinion based on my own experience. I can be wrong. Thank you. -- Shamil Wednesday, January 29, 2014 5:31 PM -07:00 from Jim Lawrence : >Hi Shamil: > >I remember around the time Borland was totting their new product, which at the time I thought was impossible, by the way, there was a heated debate about whether ISAM and indexed flat-based files were going to be replaced by Oracle's new SQL server. We all now know what happened. > >Products will live and die as the capabilities, needs and understand grows. Whether it is the right time for Flow-Based Programming the market will tell but the concept is not going away. The only thing that is giving me some hope that there actually be a working version, at the end of the design phase, is the very strong team of developers, working on the project. > >Jim > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" < mcp2004 at mail.ru > >To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" < dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com > >Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2014 2:58:44 AM >Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] A new graphic program builder > >?Hi Jim et All -- > >I'm sorry to be rather skeptical on all that "new way" visual "logic drawing-driven" "rapid application development" tools - have a look: > >"by CBR Staff Writer| 12 February 1991 >... In another age the product might have been described as an expert system, but the buzz word now is Object and the product offers visual programming techniques to enable users to stipulate objects and processes via drawings..." http://www.cbronline.com/news/borland_objectvision_makes_writing_windows_programs_easy > >Do you remember it - Borland Object Vision? I do. > >And before that around year 1981 last century there was? > >"Application Development Without Programmers" >James Martin (Author) http://www.amazon.com/Application-Development-Without-Programmers-Martin/dp/0130389439 > >Did you read it? I did. And I did read it on that ancient now times. It was exciting reading... that time. > >And the "Application Development Without Programmers" was published a few years *after* this well known book: > >"The Mythical Man-Month" by Fred Brooks >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Mythical_Man-Month > >Did you read it? I did. And I did read it nearly the same time as I did read the?"Application Development Without Programmers" book somewhere in the beginning of 80-ies of last century. (NB: that were ex-USSR times here, mainstream/bestselling there on "wild West" books were available here, but sometimes with considerable delay.) > >And somewhere in the beginning of 90-ies there was the "The Computer Revolution in Software System Development"?( http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/The_Computer_Revolution/Software/System_Development ) - all kinds of software design case systems: does anybody of you using something like that in your everyday software development work? > >---- >Resume: there exists "something"?elusive, subtle, intangible, imponderable, evasive, vague, volatile, subtle, inappreciable, impalpable - sorry for my English - select any word, which you suppose is better highlighting "never ending, durable software development crisis" issue.. there exists something, which will always make the "new ways of programming" getting obsolete rather quick. And this "something" is "Governing in details" ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_is_in_the_detail ), which will always require 80% of software projects development time to be spent on to keep competing in this accelerating world... > >-- Shamil > > >Tuesday, January 28, 2014 7:59 PM -07:00 from Jim Lawrence < accessd at shaw.ca >: >>Hi All: >> >>For all you developers out there a new way of programming. Check out NoFlo another application that has reached (and surpassed) it financial goal and now is in full development on Kickstarter...another startup program out of San-Francisco. >> >> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/noflo/noflo-development-environment?ref=category >> >>Check this out and what do you think? >> >>Jim >> >>PS It is OSS >>_______________________________________________ >> > -- ???????????? ?????? From fuller.artful at gmail.com Fri Jan 31 18:07:18 2014 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2014 19:07:18 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] Technology trends In-Reply-To: <1391205216.955468146@f312.i.mail.ru> References: <1737558978.137711740.1391132255614.JavaMail.root@cds002> <929257885.137884450.1391147146248.JavaMail.root@cds002> <1391205216.955468146@f312.i.mail.ru> Message-ID: Tell us how you really feel, Stuart. On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 4:53 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote: > Hi Jim -- > > This one is from/directed by Martin Fowler. > > It should be a reliable source. > Of course nobody has a crystal ball... > > Thank you. > > -- Shamil > > Thursday, January 30, 2014 10:45 PM -07:00 from Jim Lawrence < > accessd at shaw.ca>: > >Hi All: > > > >A new webservice tries to answer those question by using technology. Can > we assume this will also not only show the trends but predict the future > direction, growth and the products that will drive our technology? > > > >http://www.thoughtworks.com/radar/#/ > > > >Jim > >_______________________________________________ > >dba-Tech mailing list > >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > ???????????? ?????? > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Arthur From fuller.artful at gmail.com Fri Jan 31 18:16:55 2014 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2014 19:16:55 -0500 Subject: [dba-Tech] A new graphic program builder In-Reply-To: <1391206929.536646930@f152.i.mail.ru> References: <1390993124.662424202@f348.i.mail.ru> <19889829.136525174.1391041887574.JavaMail.root@cds002> <1391206929.536646930@f152.i.mail.ru> Message-ID: Shamil, I think that you dismiss flow-based-programming too quickly. I do not dispute your contention that it's always good to know how to do it by hand. Bur when was the last time you built a chesterfield? I personally have never built one, but have refinished my beloved couch and chesterfield twice. This I know how to do. The set was made by Koehler in 1856 (I've researched this) and there's no way that I could emulate their skills. I content myself with re-upholstering it every few decades. I've owned this set of furniture since 1969 and plan never to replace it. Arthur On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 5:22 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote: > Hi Jim -- > > Actually, AFAIKR, the heated debate that time was about > > - hierarchical vs. network (CODASYL) databases (70-ies last century) and > then > - network (CODASYL) vs. relational databases (80-ies last century). > > And ISAM/VSAM (and even BDAM) were a "parallel" theme - file access > methods to use to implement RDMBSes physical layers. > There were a lot of research on distributed databases also in 80-ies as > well as on parallel/multi-threaded programming. > AFAIU Oracle got a lot from DB2 and other relational DB research projects > of 80-ies. > > Nowadays NoSQL "movement" for Big Data manipulation is looking as "another > circle of evolution spiral" (back to hierarchical/network databases) - so > one can expect that relational databases will get back in even "bigger that > nowadays Big Data Manipulation real business" in 30 years or less on > another higher level of never ending evolution spiral... > > As for Flow-Based Programming - IMO that is a "birds view" or tip of > iceberg of what an experienced modern programmer has(/is able) to do by > hands. And the gap between what can be done by using Flow-Based Programming > (Automation) and by hands will only grow with time. Just my opinion based > on my own experience. I can be wrong. > > Thank you. > > -- Shamil > > > Wednesday, January 29, 2014 5:31 PM -07:00 from Jim Lawrence < > accessd at shaw.ca>: > >Hi Shamil: > > > >I remember around the time Borland was totting their new product, which > at the time I thought was impossible, by the way, there was a heated debate > about whether ISAM and indexed flat-based files were going to be replaced > by Oracle's new SQL server. We all now know what happened. > > > >Products will live and die as the capabilities, needs and understand > grows. Whether it is the right time for Flow-Based Programming the market > will tell but the concept is not going away. The only thing that is giving > me some hope that there actually be a working version, at the end of the > design phase, is the very strong team of developers, working on the project. > > > >Jim > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" < mcp2004 at mail.ru > > >To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" < > dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com > > >Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2014 2:58:44 AM > >Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] A new graphic program builder > > > > Hi Jim et All -- > > > >I'm sorry to be rather skeptical on all that "new way" visual "logic > drawing-driven" "rapid application development" tools - have a look: > > > >"by CBR Staff Writer| 12 February 1991 > >... In another age the product might have been described as an expert > system, but the buzz word now is Object and the product offers visual > programming techniques to enable users to stipulate objects and processes > via drawings..." > http://www.cbronline.com/news/borland_objectvision_makes_writing_windows_programs_easy > > > >Do you remember it - Borland Object Vision? I do. > > > >And before that around year 1981 last century there was > > > >"Application Development Without Programmers" > >James Martin (Author) > http://www.amazon.com/Application-Development-Without-Programmers-Martin/dp/0130389439 > > > >Did you read it? I did. And I did read it on that ancient now times. It > was exciting reading... that time. > > > >And the "Application Development Without Programmers" was published a few > years *after* this well known book: > > > >"The Mythical Man-Month" by Fred Brooks > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Mythical_Man-Month > > > >Did you read it? I did. And I did read it nearly the same time as I did > read the "Application Development Without Programmers" book somewhere in > the beginning of 80-ies of last century. (NB: that were ex-USSR times here, > mainstream/bestselling there on "wild West" books were available here, but > sometimes with considerable delay.) > > > >And somewhere in the beginning of 90-ies there was the "The Computer > Revolution in Software System Development" ( > http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/The_Computer_Revolution/Software/System_Development) - all kinds of software design case systems: does anybody of you using > something like that in your everyday software development work? > > > >---- > >Resume: there exists "something" elusive, subtle, intangible, > imponderable, evasive, vague, volatile, subtle, inappreciable, impalpable - > sorry for my English - select any word, which you suppose is better > highlighting "never ending, durable software development crisis" issue.. > there exists something, which will always make the "new ways of > programming" getting obsolete rather quick. And this "something" is > "Governing in details" ( > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_is_in_the_detail ), which will always > require 80% of software projects development time to be spent on to keep > competing in this accelerating world... > > > >-- Shamil > > > > > >Tuesday, January 28, 2014 7:59 PM -07:00 from Jim Lawrence < > accessd at shaw.ca >: > >>Hi All: > >> > >>For all you developers out there a new way of programming. Check out > NoFlo another application that has reached (and surpassed) it financial > goal and now is in full development on Kickstarter...another startup > program out of San-Francisco. > >> > >> > https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/noflo/noflo-development-environment?ref=category > >> > >>Check this out and what do you think? > >> > >>Jim > >> > >>PS It is OSS > >>_______________________________________________ > >> > > > > > -- > ???????????? ?????? > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Arthur From accessd at shaw.ca Fri Jan 31 23:16:06 2014 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2014 22:16:06 -0700 (MST) Subject: [dba-Tech] Technology trends In-Reply-To: <52EC10B5.10179.1A3D5634@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <1755096164.138933006.1391231766623.JavaMail.root@cds002> Hi Stuart: You may be right that that is the new age type of businesses. They create a service by providing information, draw you in with various useful free products and formatted data and then you pay a monthly fee. OTOH, though the information they are providing is free, not too difficult to obtain, to gather it and display it indicates a good knowledge of the new products...new products and applications that Startup companies are using to subsequently, create their services. And finally, the information they calculated is correct, for the future, because that is the applications the modern companies are adopting into their businesses. These new companies are usually one to five years ahead of curve when it comes to technology. Leading edge or bleeding edge? Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stuart McLachlan" To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" Sent: Friday, January 31, 2014 1:08:05 PM Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Technology trends New webservice? Bullsh*t - it's just a corporate blog from an artsy-fartsy, news-age touchy-feely software company -- Stuart On 30 Jan 2014 at 22:45, Jim Lawrence wrote: > Hi All: > > A new webservice tries to answer those question by using technology. > Can we assume this will also not only show the trends but predict the > future direction, growth and the products that will drive our > technology? > > http://www.thoughtworks.com/radar/#/ > > Jim > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com