From accessd at shaw.ca  Sat Mar  1 00:02:33 2014
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2014 23:02:33 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: What would you do with $100B?
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Hi Rocky:

I would never imply the following: "...If you're suggesting illegal activity like bribery I don't think that's going on on a massive scale.  The millions or hundreds of millions spent on politicking don't need to be hidden - they're legal expenditures.

As far as an elected official taking money to change their vote - I don't think that's going on on any large scale.  It's just not necessary..."

Buying votes is done with advertisement brainwashing, lobbyists dictating legislation, supporters fixing elections with gerrymandering and other election irregularities, bank-rolling and creating a preferred politician (...who pays the piper (always) calls the tune...) and "revolving door" policy, as an incentive (a bribe?)...and doing it on a massive scale. Is it all illegal activities? It is all in the interpretation..."close as damn is to swearing"...and wouldn't we like to be in government and get our hands on the NSA? Within a couple of years, competition would be demoralized and/or in prison...then the building an world wide idealogical utopian order could begin.

I am being sarcastic here but if it was not so close to reality, for those trying to accomplish this, it would be funny. 

Jim     

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rocky Smolin" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, February 28, 2014 9:45:25 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] OT: What would you do with $100B?

If there's something that you believe in strongly enough to spend your time
trying to change in government - a policy, a law, etc. - then you could use
that money to that end.  You can finance campaigns to help get the people
elected who support your position.  You can buy media time and broadcast
your message.  All that money will help.

All that is currently within the constitutionally guaranteed right of free
speech and while I would like to change that, it's the current rules of the
game.

If you're suggesting illegal activity like bribery I don't think that's
going on on a massive scale.  The millions or hundreds of millions spent on
politicking don't need to be hidden - they're legal expenditures.

As far as an elected official taking money to change their vote - I don't
think that's going on on any large scale.  It's just not necessary.

But if course, all that presumes that you're interested enough to spend your
money on that versus building a hospital or funding an orphanage.

R


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Friday, February 28, 2014 9:02 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] OT: What would you do with $100B?

Hi Rocky:

Then why not do what so many are...just buy the government and make then do
as you wish?

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rocky Smolin" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2014 3:52:43 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] OT: What would you do with $100B?

What you CAN'T do is spend it.  Remember, if you buy a private island with a
mansion for 100 mil, you haven't spent the money - merely traded one asset
for another.  Someday it will be sold and the money will come back to you -
maybe more than you paid.  Same as the yacht you bought to get to your
island.  Same as the Manhattan apartment you bought for when you're not on
your island.

You simply CANNOT consume that much money in goods and services.  So,
there's only three things you can do with the money - invest it in ventures
that makes even more money, do nothing with it (put it into a big bond
ladder and let it roll, accruing interest along the way), or give it away -
a la foundation.  

People think that it would be great to have tens or hundreds of millions in
the bank.  But after you've satisfied every creature comfort and whim, the
balance is a burden - an ethical obligation.

You learn in basic econ that money is stored value - that is the product of
someone's labor that has not yet been traded for good and services.  So when
you're handed a chunk of dough like that, or inherit it, in my book you have
an obligation to take care of it just as if you were taking care of the
person or people whose lives are represented by that money.  

Just as you are obligated to use your thousands for the benefit of your
family, you are obligated to use your billions to the betterment of your
society.

R




-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2014 12:46 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: What would you do with $100B?

Just finished reading the articles at Wired and NYT about Egon's latest
adventures, and also the Shimizu plan to create an 11K solar strip on the
moon and broadcase said power back to Earth.

Which raises the question... Suppose your app went viral and suddenly you
had a million users, with attendant revenues. What would you do with the
money?

As an initial guess, I would factor in Number of Spouses (did you know that
the plural of Spouse is Spice?), number of college-ready children,
outstanding mortgage, car leases/loans, etc.

But let us suppose that all these exigencies could be handled by the first B
of your $100B, denominated in US $.

What would you do with the rest? Would you join Bill Gates's foundation and
donate 51% toward curing malaria and similar infectious diseases? Would you
put some loot into breast-cancer research? Send medicine + education to
Third World countries (e.g. this concerns some African beliefs that if you
sleep with a very young girl, you stave off HIV/AIDS)? Or, radically
alternative to the aforementioned proposals, would you choose to keep it all
and let the lawyers figure it out upon your demise?

I know that it's an imaginary question, but nonetheless I shall be
interested in your responses. Even if we divide the amount by 100, it's
still more money than you could possibly spend in the rest of your life, no
matter how serious your habits; so what would you do with $1B? For
starters... and then what would you do with $100B?

As for me, I would join the group of billionaires that the Gates's have
formed, that includes Warren Buffet and Sir Richard Branson and 120 others,
all of whom have decided to give a minimum of 51% away, towards such causes
as curing malaria and polio. As for me, I would go a lot further, and give
away about 90% not 51%, leaving me enough to go vacation in Mallorca and
Shanghai and Havana every year pending my demise.

And you? What would you do?

Arthur

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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Sat Mar  1 11:47:14 2014
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2014 12:47:14 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Steve Wolfram Does It Again
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1hc7ug5=ZxwS7mzRrGZSYUKFXVg_EbHPStZ92iS=Tgs2w@mail.gmail.com>

I've long been a fan of Steve's, going way back even before "A New Kind of
Science" to the math stuff, but now he's tackled programming languages.
This guy is not lacking in the realm of imagineering.

http://blog.wolfram.com/2014/02/24/starting-to-demo-the-wolfram-language/

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sat Mar  1 19:12:28 2014
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2014 18:12:28 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Steve Wolfram Does It Again
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1hc7ug5=ZxwS7mzRrGZSYUKFXVg_EbHPStZ92iS=Tgs2w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <571190784.4509982.1393722748736.JavaMail.root@cds002>

Hi Arthur:

Isn't the concept of a object/symbolic language incredible? 

It may not be a concept fully embraced today by the developer community. But I remember working in assembler (also various macro languages) and now looking at all the other high level languages that consume very complex functions, it does seem like this a component in next level in programming evolution.

Interesting to note that the language will be a installed, by default, on the RaspberryPi. Perfectly positioned as a educational tool for our future young high-level programmers. Ahhh, another StarTrek moment :-)

Jim        

----- Original Message -----
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To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 1, 2014 9:47:14 AM
Subject: [dba-Tech] Steve Wolfram Does It Again

I've long been a fan of Steve's, going way back even before "A New Kind of
Science" to the math stuff, but now he's tackled programming languages.
This guy is not lacking in the realm of imagineering.

http://blog.wolfram.com/2014/02/24/starting-to-demo-the-wolfram-language/

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sun Mar  2 17:28:59 2014
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2014 16:28:59 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Mono 3.2.7
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1hc7ug5=ZxwS7mzRrGZSYUKFXVg_EbHPStZ92iS=Tgs2w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <852514249.4987014.1393802939478.JavaMail.root@cds002>

Hi All:

As C# has continued to advance so has Mono, Linux's equivalent:

http://www.infoq.com/news/2014/02/mono-3-2-7

Jim 

From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Mar  3 13:27:50 2014
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2014 12:27:50 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Microsoft is finally fighting back
In-Reply-To: <852514249.4987014.1393802939478.JavaMail.root@cds002>
Message-ID: <1465403335.4712548.1393874870372.JavaMail.root@cds018>

Maybe a free Windows 8.1 is on the horizon.

According to Mary Jo Foley, this what is in the works. Microsoft is making a concerted effort to encourage the users of Windows 7 to migrate to Windows 8.1 by offering a free upgrade.

http://www.zdnet.com/microsofts-monetization-dilemma-bundlings-not-all-its-cracked-up-to-be-7000026852

Jim

From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Mar  3 22:23:46 2014
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2014 21:23:46 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [dba-Tech] What is selling
In-Reply-To: <1465403335.4712548.1393874870372.JavaMail.root@cds018>
Message-ID: <1185616399.5059154.1393907026471.JavaMail.root@cds018>

The largest selling lap tops in the world are Chromebooks, of course it is so last year:

http://www.businessinsider.com/googles-chromebooks-amazon-best-sellers-2013-12

Samsung, for its wearable gear, has chosen another Linux distro because of it super small footprint and high performance:

https://www.tizen.org

Jim 


 

From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Mar  3 22:48:55 2014
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2014 21:48:55 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Whats new
In-Reply-To: <1185616399.5059154.1393907026471.JavaMail.root@cds018>
Message-ID: <1052324418.5070281.1393908535349.JavaMail.root@cds018>

There is a new format that replaces GIF (if anyone still uses it). The new format is call GFY (Jiffy), can handle small, high-performance, high quality mini-movies:

http://www.dailydot.com/technology/what-is-gfy-gif-gfycat

As well for the web there is a new enhanced CSS called GSS. Whether this is an improvement of a flash in the pan it is too soon to tell:

http://gridstylesheets.org

Jim   

From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Mar  3 22:57:10 2014
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2014 21:57:10 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [dba-Tech] A Skype replacement
In-Reply-To: <1052324418.5070281.1393908535349.JavaMail.root@cds018>
Message-ID: <826545581.5073593.1393909030627.JavaMail.root@cds018>

There looks like there will be a Skype replacement coming out soon, called Tox. The product already fully supports enhanced messaging, with embedded pictures and in the alpha stage of a full video conferencing component. This application runs like Skype use to run with a torrent type broadcast layout:

http://tox.im

Check it out.

Jim   

From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Mar  3 23:55:34 2014
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2014 22:55:34 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [dba-Tech] The best new mobile hardware
In-Reply-To: <826545581.5073593.1393909030627.JavaMail.root@cds018>
Message-ID: <1094021895.5097549.1393912534294.JavaMail.root@cds018>

Canonical's new mobile device won Tom's Hardware Best Of Mobile World Congress 2014 Awards.

http://www.tomshardware.com/picturestory/652-5-best-of-mwc-2014-awards-smartphones-mobile.html

It will be interesting to see if this award is justified...full Ubuntu Linux installed on a phone.
 
Jim

From jbartow at winhaven.net  Tue Mar  4 11:47:14 2014
From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2014 11:47:14 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 8
Message-ID: <00b501cf37d1$c7bc4250$5734c6f0$@winhaven.net>

Here's a very brief explanation of how to use Windows 8 for the stuck in the
mud curmudgeons among us:
 http://watchmojo.com/video/id/11365/



From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Tue Mar  4 12:01:39 2014
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2014 10:01:39 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] [AccessD] Windows 8
In-Reply-To: <00b501cf37d1$c7bc4250$5734c6f0$@winhaven.net>
References: <00b501cf37d1$c7bc4250$5734c6f0$@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <2B73140174A64B73998D0F9D46AAA3BB@HAL9007>

OK, I learned a lot from that vid and I'm convinced - for me W8 is totally
useless.  None of my gestures have any effect on my machines. 

Oh, he did say if I don't have touch screen I can plug in a mouse and a
keyboard and then...(wait for it)...IT'LL BE JUST LIKE WINDOWS 7! Woo-hoo!

Thank you Microsoft for putting Windows 8 on my new laptop.  With some
effort and learning curve I can enjoy all the advantages of W7.  

R

P.S. Dear MS - that floaty little tool bar that comes out of the right side
of the touch screen.  It only takes me 5 or 6 tries to get it to appear on
my standard display using a mouse.  You're right, of course, I should be so
concerned about productivity.  Elegance of GI appearance is really the most
important thing in an OS. The distraction of the 'live' tiles is terrific.
I could spend all day looking at them.  
P.P.S.  Get the hell out of my face and let me do some work!
P.P.P.S.  I've got a gesture for you - Skype me and I'll show you.

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2014 9:47 AM
To: dba-ot at databaseadvisors.com; DBA-Tech; DBA-Access
Subject: [AccessD] Windows 8

Here's a very brief explanation of how to use Windows 8 for the stuck in the
mud curmudgeons among us:
 http://watchmojo.com/video/id/11365/


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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Tue Mar  4 20:31:14 2014
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2014 12:31:14 +1000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Whats new
In-Reply-To: <1052324418.5070281.1393908535349.JavaMail.root@cds018>
References: <1185616399.5059154.1393907026471.JavaMail.root@cds018>,
	<1052324418.5070281.1393908535349.JavaMail.root@cds018>
Message-ID: <53168C72.24682.138AA1FF@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

I stopped using GIF and switched to PNG years ago.  

What else would I use, given where I live? :)



On 3 Mar 2014 at 21:48, Jim Lawrence wrote:

> There is a new format that replaces GIF (if anyone still uses it). The
> new format is call GFY (Jiffy), can handle small, high-performance,
> high quality mini-movies:
> 
> http://www.dailydot.com/technology/what-is-gfy-gif-gfycat
> 
> As well for the web there is a new enhanced CSS called GSS. Whether
> this is an improvement of a flash in the pan it is too soon to tell:
> 
> http://gridstylesheets.org
> 
> Jim   
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Mar  4 20:45:24 2014
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2014 19:45:24 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Whats new
In-Reply-To: <53168C72.24682.138AA1FF@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <1271396266.5843011.1393987524825.JavaMail.root@cds018>

Hi Stuart:

These new GTY files are like mini-videos. According to the article they compress small videos very small with high resolution. Sounds like a plus if they are replacing streaming video which definitely is a bandwidth hog. PNG, though my personal favourite is a graphic without movie aspirations. ;-)

I am working on a site and might try introducing one GTY and see if this format lives up to its advertised billing.

Jim

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From: "Stuart McLachlan" <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, 4 March, 2014 6:31:14 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Whats new

I stopped using GIF and switched to PNG years ago.  

What else would I use, given where I live? :)



On 3 Mar 2014 at 21:48, Jim Lawrence wrote:

> There is a new format that replaces GIF (if anyone still uses it). The
> new format is call GFY (Jiffy), can handle small, high-performance,
> high quality mini-movies:
> 
> http://www.dailydot.com/technology/what-is-gfy-gif-gfycat
> 
> As well for the web there is a new enhanced CSS called GSS. Whether
> this is an improvement of a flash in the pan it is too soon to tell:
> 
> http://gridstylesheets.org
> 
> Jim   
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Wed Mar  5 14:15:04 2014
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2014 15:15:04 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Amazing Disk Deal
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1gxuSEJs10zFJ5_YW357Sxiz+S=38N5cK5SH1fH9RwzbQ@mail.gmail.com>

I just got an email telling me that Amazon has a deal on Western Digital
Black2 dual drives (120GB SSD and 1TB hard disk), for $224.95. Wow.

-- 
Arthur

From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Mar  5 22:44:16 2014
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2014 21:44:16 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Attach OneDrive
In-Reply-To: <1094021895.5097549.1393912534294.JavaMail.root@cds018>
Message-ID: <551602618.6725053.1394081056093.JavaMail.root@cds018>

Hi All:

If you want to attach Microsoft's OneDrive (or SkyDrive) to your (Ubuntu) Linux box.

http://itsfoss.com/skydrive-ubuntu-1304

Jim 

From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Mar  5 22:48:23 2014
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2014 21:48:23 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Amazing Disk Deal
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1gxuSEJs10zFJ5_YW357Sxiz+S=38N5cK5SH1fH9RwzbQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1120148907.6726536.1394081303771.JavaMail.root@cds018>

Hi Arthur:

Link please. :-)

Jim

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Subject: [dba-Tech] Amazing Disk Deal

I just got an email telling me that Amazon has a deal on Western Digital
Black2 dual drives (120GB SSD and 1TB hard disk), for $224.95. Wow.

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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Thu Mar  6 14:07:40 2014
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2014 15:07:40 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Are Chimps More Intelligent than Humans?
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1hCobe-UJ1xJjUiNzEpa0mXDcHJovD-R8qdn2QZ2pNYtQ@mail.gmail.com>

I know this is a tad OT, but tomorrow is Friday so maybe you'll forgive me.
At Kyoto University there's a Primate Research facility whose star student
is a chimp called Ayu (perhaps Ayun?), who can perform feats of cognition
that are impossible for humans -- not just you or me, but *any* human.

There are some preliminary training steps: first teach the chimp to
recognize the numbers 0-9 and also the alphabet, using little 3D shapes of
same. Then mix several of each category up and have the chimp sort them
into two piles. Finally, teach the chimp to sort the numbers from 0 to 9.
Once the chimp can do that (and all of them at Kyoto can), then we move on
to more challenging turf.

A touch screen displays the numbers 0-9 in random locations and in a larger
font than normal, say 48. The chimp unerringly touches them in order in
less than half a second. This is repeatable and Ayu never errs or even
hesitates. Maybe a few humans in the world could do that. Maybe.

Now for the impossible part: the numbers are again displayed in random
locations and then immediately hidden with shaded boxes, and the chimp
touches the numbers in order. Hidden how immediately? 600 milliseconds! And
the chimp's execution time remains at less than half a second! No human can
even see the numbers in that brief a display.

I got all this from a program on TV Ontario, which is the local equivalent
of Discovery Channel, but I just Googled "Kyoto University Chimpanzee" and
arrived immediately at the web site, where there's wealth of material and
videos about the chimp research going on there.

For those interested, see http://langint.pri.kyoto-u.ac.jp/ai/.

-- 
Arthur

From jbartow at winhaven.net  Thu Mar  6 17:52:22 2014
From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2014 17:52:22 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Are Chimps More Intelligent than Humans?
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1hCobe-UJ1xJjUiNzEpa0mXDcHJovD-R8qdn2QZ2pNYtQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1hCobe-UJ1xJjUiNzEpa0mXDcHJovD-R8qdn2QZ2pNYtQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <010401cf3997$1ed5d990$5c818cb0$@winhaven.net>

No, get back on the OT list :-)

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2014 2:08 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] Are Chimps More Intelligent than Humans?

I know this is a tad OT, but tomorrow is Friday so maybe you'll forgive me.
At Kyoto University there's a Primate Research facility whose star student
is a chimp called Ayu (perhaps Ayun?), who can perform feats of cognition
that are impossible for humans -- not just you or me, but *any* human.

There are some preliminary training steps: first teach the chimp to
recognize the numbers 0-9 and also the alphabet, using little 3D shapes of
same. Then mix several of each category up and have the chimp sort them into
two piles. Finally, teach the chimp to sort the numbers from 0 to 9.
Once the chimp can do that (and all of them at Kyoto can), then we move on
to more challenging turf.

A touch screen displays the numbers 0-9 in random locations and in a larger
font than normal, say 48. The chimp unerringly touches them in order in less
than half a second. This is repeatable and Ayu never errs or even hesitates.
Maybe a few humans in the world could do that. Maybe.

Now for the impossible part: the numbers are again displayed in random
locations and then immediately hidden with shaded boxes, and the chimp
touches the numbers in order. Hidden how immediately? 600 milliseconds! And
the chimp's execution time remains at less than half a second! No human can
even see the numbers in that brief a display.

I got all this from a program on TV Ontario, which is the local equivalent
of Discovery Channel, but I just Googled "Kyoto University Chimpanzee" and
arrived immediately at the web site, where there's wealth of material and
videos about the chimp research going on there.

For those interested, see http://langint.pri.kyoto-u.ac.jp/ai/.

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From garykjos at gmail.com  Thu Mar  6 19:08:52 2014
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2014 19:08:52 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Are Chimps More Intelligent than Humans?
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1hCobe-UJ1xJjUiNzEpa0mXDcHJovD-R8qdn2QZ2pNYtQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1hCobe-UJ1xJjUiNzEpa0mXDcHJovD-R8qdn2QZ2pNYtQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJ2R_pLi-mxX5kSHGjuDeULjxTn4i1U3zgk-gBAu8BknQfQB+g@mail.gmail.com>

This doesn't belong here at all Arthur. Please take it to OT where this
kind of post is welcome and expected or keep it to yourself.

GK


On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 2:07 PM, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com>wrote:

> I know this is a tad OT, but tomorrow is Friday so maybe you'll forgive me.
>


-- 
Gary Kjos
garykjos at gmail.com

From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Thu Mar  6 23:52:26 2014
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2014 21:52:26 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] Are Chimps More Intelligent than Humans?
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1hCobe-UJ1xJjUiNzEpa0mXDcHJovD-R8qdn2QZ2pNYtQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1hCobe-UJ1xJjUiNzEpa0mXDcHJovD-R8qdn2QZ2pNYtQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <63FDE3C2E27449438D77047BE4A4858D@HAL9007>

To my eye this presents not evidence of greater intelligence, but a very
narrow specific skill at which chimps apparently are superior to humans.
This, of course, would not be a novelty in the animal world as there are
many specific animal skills at which we are inferior - we can't see as far
as eagles, we can't smell as keenly as wolves, can't feel heat like a
rattlesnake.  But I suppose it depends on how you define intelligence.

R


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Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2014 12:08 PM
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Subject: [dba-Tech] Are Chimps More Intelligent than Humans?

I know this is a tad OT, but tomorrow is Friday so maybe you'll forgive me.
At Kyoto University there's a Primate Research facility whose star student
is a chimp called Ayu (perhaps Ayun?), who can perform feats of cognition
that are impossible for humans -- not just you or me, but *any* human.

There are some preliminary training steps: first teach the chimp to
recognize the numbers 0-9 and also the alphabet, using little 3D shapes of
same. Then mix several of each category up and have the chimp sort them into
two piles. Finally, teach the chimp to sort the numbers from 0 to 9.
Once the chimp can do that (and all of them at Kyoto can), then we move on
to more challenging turf.

A touch screen displays the numbers 0-9 in random locations and in a larger
font than normal, say 48. The chimp unerringly touches them in order in less
than half a second. This is repeatable and Ayu never errs or even hesitates.
Maybe a few humans in the world could do that. Maybe.

Now for the impossible part: the numbers are again displayed in random
locations and then immediately hidden with shaded boxes, and the chimp
touches the numbers in order. Hidden how immediately? 600 milliseconds! And
the chimp's execution time remains at less than half a second! No human can
even see the numbers in that brief a display.

I got all this from a program on TV Ontario, which is the local equivalent
of Discovery Channel, but I just Googled "Kyoto University Chimpanzee" and
arrived immediately at the web site, where there's wealth of material and
videos about the chimp research going on there.

For those interested, see http://langint.pri.kyoto-u.ac.jp/ai/.

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Mar  7 00:53:39 2014
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2014 23:53:39 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [dba-Tech] F# is surging ahead
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1gBfhkxdyS2+GG0GoyN4kjuaNgjszBdQN7a9hGPWQmp8A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <148230258.7614834.1394175219956.JavaMail.root@cds018>

One of the main reasons for upgrading to Ubuntu 14.04 was so I could learn F#. It takes only two lines of code, at the command prompt, to accomplish the task. 

# This is just to refresh all existing system and application libraries...just to be current...like a system update on steroids. (Does Microsoft have equivalent features?)
sudo apt-get update 

# Now let's install a couple of applications. Mono replaces the need for a full VS install and then you can just add your choice of editors if you find Mono's editor not as full featured as you like.   
sudo apt-get install mono-complete
sudo apt-get install fsharp

Try that on any other system. ;-)  

F# also comes with OSS cross-platform compilers. F# has full web asynchronous, parallel processing and with distributive capabilities formed right into the language itself and not just add-ins or extended features. It even has the capability of embedding or consuming features from other languages or objects within it and using them as a user defined types, like LINQ, C#, with database objects and natural queries and so on. F# can then even be compiled in JavaScript...interesting. According to one article; "F# can integrate and interoperate with data-science systems such as Excel, R, MATLAB, Mathematica and Python...". F# consumes all the major JavaScript libraries and even touch screen support. (Note: Not to fear, Bing maps can be removed and replaced with Google maps). Coding in the language is very tight; a lot can be done with but a few lines of code. It seems perfect for the new age development.  

Unlike, other applications created within Microsoft, this package is fully open source and has an extending support community. Because of all the above mentioned functionality the popularity for F# is surging ahead. 

"Ranked 69th on the index a year ago, F# has risen to the 12th spot in this month's rankings, with a 1.216 percent rating. As the index headline notes, 'F# is on its way to the Top 10.'"

http://www.infoworld.com/t/microsoft-net/microsoft-backed-f-language-surges-in-popularity-237689

IMHO, F# may end up being one of the most used languages and have a great future.
 
Jim


From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Mar  7 11:54:41 2014
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2014 10:54:41 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Vulnerabilities
In-Reply-To: <148230258.7614834.1394175219956.JavaMail.root@cds018>
Message-ID: <1206516430.7947592.1394214881968.JavaMail.root@cds018>

Where ever there is an easy target, full of bugs and is everywhere in the computer world is where those wishing to take advantage of these products go...and it is the same old two guilty applications, year after year.

http://images.techhive.com/images/article/2014/03/java-100248915-medium-100248919-orig.png

I would suspect the group other is the apps on Android.

Jim

From jbartow at winhaven.net  Fri Mar  7 14:21:33 2014
From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2014 14:21:33 -0600
Subject: [dba-Tech] Vulnerabilities
In-Reply-To: <1206516430.7947592.1394214881968.JavaMail.root@cds018>
References: <148230258.7614834.1394175219956.JavaMail.root@cds018>
	<1206516430.7947592.1394214881968.JavaMail.root@cds018>
Message-ID: <00d601cf3a42$d5fffe10$81fffa30$@winhaven.net>

The exploits that I mostly deal with are Java - acrobat - chrome. It could
be that their versions are such moving targets that my security solutions
can't keep up with them. Whereas some of the more common problems of a
couple of years ago don't seem to show up much - Windows OS and IE.

Just read a security report this morning about "Dendroid" - an Android
malware kit.

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Friday, March 07, 2014 11:55 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] Vulnerabilities

Where ever there is an easy target, full of bugs and is everywhere in the
computer world is where those wishing to take advantage of these products
go...and it is the same old two guilty applications, year after year.

http://images.techhive.com/images/article/2014/03/java-100248915-medium-1002
48919-orig.png

I would suspect the group other is the apps on Android.

Jim
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Fri Mar  7 14:21:16 2014
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2014 15:21:16 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Programming language with special keyboard
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1gLYVu4YngOeJkph4s1fJD2_r5HOK4NMVc5xnM0CBkVTg@mail.gmail.com>

Years (decades?) back, I worked briefly with a guy who used a programming
that was designed especially for performing math operations. It was so
specialized that it demanded the use of an entirely different keyboard,
filled with various symbols indicating operations such as matrix
multiplication etc. He used that language to create an app sold by his
company, used in financial situations for things like generating 5-year
forecasts by month, given some set of assumptions.

I never could read so much as a line of the code, nor even understand what
the symbols meant. What I do remember is that the operations performed
required a shockingly little amount of code.

I can't even remember the guy's name, nor the name of his company. Just
that this special language was used in large banks and similar financial
institutions. Any idea of the name of the language I'm so vaguely
recalling?

-- 
Arthur

From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Fri Mar  7 15:22:24 2014
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sat, 08 Mar 2014 07:22:24 +1000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Programming language with special keyboard
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1gLYVu4YngOeJkph4s1fJD2_r5HOK4NMVc5xnM0CBkVTg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1gLYVu4YngOeJkph4s1fJD2_r5HOK4NMVc5xnM0CBkVTg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <531A3890.11619.21E2F690@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

APL? 

Compare it to the opposite concept with only eight command symbols.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brainfuck

:)


On 7 Mar 2014 at 15:21, Arthur Fuller wrote:

> Years (decades?) back, I worked briefly with a guy who used a
> programming that was designed especially for performing math
> operations. It was so specialized that it demanded the use of an
> entirely different keyboard, filled with various symbols indicating
> operations such as matrix multiplication etc. He used that language to
> create an app sold by his company, used in financial situations for
> things like generating 5-year forecasts by month, given some set of
> assumptions.
> 
> I never could read so much as a line of the code, nor even understand
> what the symbols meant. What I do remember is that the operations
> performed required a shockingly little amount of code.
> 
> I can't even remember the guy's name, nor the name of his company.
> Just that this special language was used in large banks and similar
> financial institutions. Any idea of the name of the language I'm so
> vaguely recalling?
> 
> -- 


From eptept at gmail.com  Fri Mar  7 15:26:35 2014
From: eptept at gmail.com (Ed Tesiny)
Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2014 16:26:35 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Programming language with special keyboard
In-Reply-To: <531A3890.11619.21E2F690@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <CAEPJO1gLYVu4YngOeJkph4s1fJD2_r5HOK4NMVc5xnM0CBkVTg@mail.gmail.com>
	<531A3890.11619.21E2F690@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <CAEkqQpVsELLPBV9-98GfYTTB+mseHnfZ4oYOfmXcUeRDe_ZNcw@mail.gmail.com>

Stuart beat me to it, yes it's APL.  I actually took a course in that in
college WAY back when.


On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 4:22 PM, Stuart McLachlan <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>wrote:

> APL?
>
> Compare it to the opposite concept with only eight command symbols.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brainfuck
>
> :)
>
>
> On 7 Mar 2014 at 15:21, Arthur Fuller wrote:
>
> > Years (decades?) back, I worked briefly with a guy who used a
> > programming that was designed especially for performing math
> > operations. It was so specialized that it demanded the use of an
> > entirely different keyboard, filled with various symbols indicating
> > operations such as matrix multiplication etc. He used that language to
> > create an app sold by his company, used in financial situations for
> > things like generating 5-year forecasts by month, given some set of
> > assumptions.
> >
> > I never could read so much as a line of the code, nor even understand
> > what the symbols meant. What I do remember is that the operations
> > performed required a shockingly little amount of code.
> >
> > I can't even remember the guy's name, nor the name of his company.
> > Just that this special language was used in large banks and similar
> > financial institutions. Any idea of the name of the language I'm so
> > vaguely recalling?
> >
> > --
>
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Fri Mar  7 18:03:09 2014
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2014 19:03:09 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Programming language with special keyboard
In-Reply-To: <CAEkqQpVsELLPBV9-98GfYTTB+mseHnfZ4oYOfmXcUeRDe_ZNcw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1gLYVu4YngOeJkph4s1fJD2_r5HOK4NMVc5xnM0CBkVTg@mail.gmail.com>
	<531A3890.11619.21E2F690@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<CAEkqQpVsELLPBV9-98GfYTTB+mseHnfZ4oYOfmXcUeRDe_ZNcw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1j_EG1EFsSQ-WaKw8TnuEv5pzOKcoAW2z+VoUwmzKeOeg@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks, Stuart and Ed. I had two thirds of it right. I was looking for PL?
variants. rather than ?PL. Thanks.

A.


From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Mar  7 22:26:09 2014
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2014 21:26:09 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Programming language with special keyboard
In-Reply-To: <531A3890.11619.21E2F690@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <1884108466.8355524.1394252769064.JavaMail.root@cds018>

Definitely is. ;-)

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Stuart McLachlan" <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>
To: "Peter Brawley" <peter.brawley at gmail.com>, "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, March 7, 2014 1:22:24 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Programming language with special keyboard

APL? 

Compare it to the opposite concept with only eight command symbols.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brainfuck

:)


On 7 Mar 2014 at 15:21, Arthur Fuller wrote:

> Years (decades?) back, I worked briefly with a guy who used a
> programming that was designed especially for performing math
> operations. It was so specialized that it demanded the use of an
> entirely different keyboard, filled with various symbols indicating
> operations such as matrix multiplication etc. He used that language to
> create an app sold by his company, used in financial situations for
> things like generating 5-year forecasts by month, given some set of
> assumptions.
> 
> I never could read so much as a line of the code, nor even understand
> what the symbols meant. What I do remember is that the operations
> performed required a shockingly little amount of code.
> 
> I can't even remember the guy's name, nor the name of his company.
> Just that this special language was used in large banks and similar
> financial institutions. Any idea of the name of the language I'm so
> vaguely recalling?
> 
> -- 

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From eptept at gmail.com  Sat Mar  8 06:16:15 2014
From: eptept at gmail.com (Ed Tesiny)
Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2014 07:16:15 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Programming language with special keyboard
In-Reply-To: <1884108466.8355524.1394252769064.JavaMail.root@cds018>
References: <531A3890.11619.21E2F690@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<1884108466.8355524.1394252769064.JavaMail.root@cds018>
Message-ID: <CAEkqQpVM7GLK7+nb8KDh_Kx9Eic2g-oRTqZBJxpa2KmuNdqqbA@mail.gmail.com>

Actually think the book was titled APL 360, almost did me in on my computer
tool for a Ph.D.  FORTRAN made a lot more sense to me, pretty logical.


On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 11:26 PM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> Definitely is. ;-)
>
> Jim
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Stuart McLachlan" <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>
> To: "Peter Brawley" <peter.brawley at gmail.com>, "Discussion of Hardware
> and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Friday, March 7, 2014 1:22:24 PM
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Programming language with special keyboard
>
> APL?
>
> Compare it to the opposite concept with only eight command symbols.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brainfuck
>
> :)
>
>
> On 7 Mar 2014 at 15:21, Arthur Fuller wrote:
>
> > Years (decades?) back, I worked briefly with a guy who used a
> > programming that was designed especially for performing math
> > operations. It was so specialized that it demanded the use of an
> > entirely different keyboard, filled with various symbols indicating
> > operations such as matrix multiplication etc. He used that language to
> > create an app sold by his company, used in financial situations for
> > things like generating 5-year forecasts by month, given some set of
> > assumptions.
> >
> > I never could read so much as a line of the code, nor even understand
> > what the symbols meant. What I do remember is that the operations
> > performed required a shockingly little amount of code.
> >
> > I can't even remember the guy's name, nor the name of his company.
> > Just that this special language was used in large banks and similar
> > financial institutions. Any idea of the name of the language I'm so
> > vaguely recalling?
> >
> > --
>
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Sat Mar  8 09:51:15 2014
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2014 10:51:15 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] FireFox Question
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1iRs_rwV6pOb2=NTSaVPA4jMuCeyJPT6KmT0yCC0bfNRA@mail.gmail.com>

Actually 2 questions:

1. How do I change the default Search engine?
2. How do I remove the Yahoo toolbar?

Thanks,

-- 
Arthur

From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Sat Mar  8 09:54:51 2014
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2014 10:54:51 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Bleeding Edge
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1j6bmCeyTCKoCDeyHFCb9P9y7D3pLGOu1onc9jbjXXA3g@mail.gmail.com>

Any Thomas Pynchon fans here? (I'm a huge fan.) I'm halfway through
Bleeding Edge, his latest novel, which concerns the dotcom boom and bust,
and the differences between its West and East Coast versions; then it moves
on to 9/11 and its aftermath. In particular, the dotcom stuff is accurate
and also very funny, in the typical black-humor Pynchonesque way.

-- 
Arthur

From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Sat Mar  8 10:18:27 2014
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2014 08:18:27 -0800
Subject: [dba-Tech] FireFox Question
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1iRs_rwV6pOb2=NTSaVPA4jMuCeyJPT6KmT0yCC0bfNRA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1iRs_rwV6pOb2=NTSaVPA4jMuCeyJPT6KmT0yCC0bfNRA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B17309FFB13F4976A817F824677ABAD8@HAL9007>

1. Tools-->Options-->General Tab
2. Try Tools-->Add-ons  see if it shows up in the list.  Annoying, isn't it?
Bing did the same thing to me - forced it's nose under the tent.  

HTH

R


-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2014 7:51 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] FireFox Question

Actually 2 questions:

1. How do I change the default Search engine?
2. How do I remove the Yahoo toolbar?

Thanks,

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sun Mar  9 12:59:26 2014
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2014 11:59:26 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Doing your taxes
In-Reply-To: <148230258.7614834.1394175219956.JavaMail.root@cds018>
Message-ID: <355811739.9115937.1394387966198.JavaMail.root@cds018>

For the most part, now being out of "the business", the need for a good inexpensive tax software is a non-issue. 

It seems that a couple and a friend, out of Vancouver, have built an online application for doing your taxes...even your own company's taxes:

http://simpletax.ca

(Sorry this is only good in Canada...but who knows what the future will bring).

If you are Canadian, have a company and need to do taxes this would be a perfect place to start. Of course if you are just an employee you could most likely do your taxes, in your head or on the back of a paper napkin...so the need for this type of software would not apply. ;-)

Note: If you do use this software and like it, drop some money in the pot and keep these guys in business.

Jim
    

From Lambert.Heenan at aig.com  Mon Mar 10 08:00:28 2014
From: Lambert.Heenan at aig.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2014 09:00:28 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Programming language with special keyboard
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1j_EG1EFsSQ-WaKw8TnuEv5pzOKcoAW2z+VoUwmzKeOeg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1gLYVu4YngOeJkph4s1fJD2_r5HOK4NMVc5xnM0CBkVTg@mail.gmail.com>
	<531A3890.11619.21E2F690@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<CAEkqQpVsELLPBV9-98GfYTTB+mseHnfZ4oYOfmXcUeRDe_ZNcw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAEPJO1j_EG1EFsSQ-WaKw8TnuEv5pzOKcoAW2z+VoUwmzKeOeg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F5B2E2ECEE84F142883A2E6DCA867F9802855BB9D2@LIVP3MMBX10.mail.aig.net>

And let's not forget what that acronym stood for... A P[rograming] L[anguage].

:-) Lambert

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Friday, March 07, 2014 7:03 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Programming language with special keyboard

Thanks, Stuart and Ed. I had two thirds of it right. I was looking for PL?
variants. rather than ?PL. Thanks.

A.

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From peter.brawley at earthlink.net  Mon Mar 10 11:18:09 2014
From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley)
Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2014 11:18:09 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Programming language with special keyboard
In-Reply-To: <F5B2E2ECEE84F142883A2E6DCA867F9802855BB9D2@LIVP3MMBX10.mail.aig.net>
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On 2014-03-10 8:00 AM, Heenan, Lambert wrote:
> And let's not forget what that acronym stood for... A P[rograming] L[anguage].

Nietzsche's Law of Eternal Return returns, nearly 50 years ago in our 
lab we were running programmes written in a new language called APL. 
Sometimes useful eg live stats, sometimes fun eg 3D tictactoe.

PB

-----

>
> :-) Lambert
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
> Sent: Friday, March 07, 2014 7:03 PM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Programming language with special keyboard
>
> Thanks, Stuart and Ed. I had two thirds of it right. I was looking for PL?
> variants. rather than ?PL. Thanks.
>
> A.
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From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Mon Mar 10 12:56:02 2014
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2014 21:56:02 +0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?FYI=3A_Cisco_Visual_Networking_Index=3A_Glob?=
 =?utf-8?q?al_Mobile_Data_Traffic_Forecast_Update=2C_2013=E2=80=932018?=
Message-ID: <1394474162.548298520@f176.i.mail.ru>

 Hi All --

FYI: Cisco Visual Networking Index: Global Mobile Data Traffic Forecast Update, 2013?2018
http://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/solutions/collateral/service-provider/visual-networking-index-vni/white_paper_c11-520862.html
"Global mobile data traffic grew 81 percent in 2013. Global mobile data traffic reached 1.5 exabytes per month at the end of 2013, up from 820 petabytes per month at the end of 2012."
...

"Monthly global mobile data traffic will surpass 15 exabytes by 2018."
-- 
???????????? ??????

From jbartow at winhaven.net  Mon Mar 10 14:42:14 2014
From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2014 14:42:14 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] PowerShell - formatting output
Message-ID: <025b01cf3c98$d6d36ef0$847a4cd0$@winhaven.net>

Is anyone on this list familiar with PowerShell formatting?

I want to grab a datetime value out of an xml file and output it in a
friendly display rather than what I'm getting now: 2015-01-20T00:00:00

Try {
	$xml = [xml](get-content C:\ProgramData\ACME\RegistrationConfig.xml)
#C:\Programdata\RegistrationConfig.xml
	Write-Host "Expiration Date"$xml.RegistrationConfig.ExpireDate
	exit 0
	}
Catch {
	Write-Host "Failure"
	exit 1001
	  }

TIA
John B


From gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Mar 10 16:13:07 2014
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2014 21:13:07 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] PowerShell - formatting output
In-Reply-To: <025b01cf3c98$d6d36ef0$847a4cd0$@winhaven.net>
References: <025b01cf3c98$d6d36ef0$847a4cd0$@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <a79631adbd314c6fb83a7c6cd50542ae@AMSPR06MB311.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Hi John

I guess something like this:

    Write-Host "Expiration Date"$xml.RegistrationConfig.ExpireDate.ToShortDateString()

/gustav

________________________________________
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Sendt: 10. marts 2014 20:42
Til: DBA-Tech
Emne: [dba-Tech] PowerShell - formatting output

Is anyone on this list familiar with PowerShell formatting?

I want to grab a datetime value out of an xml file and output it in a
friendly display rather than what I'm getting now: 2015-01-20T00:00:00

Try {
        $xml = [xml](get-content C:\ProgramData\ACME\RegistrationConfig.xml)
#C:\Programdata\RegistrationConfig.xml
        Write-Host "Expiration Date"$xml.RegistrationConfig.ExpireDate
        exit 0
        }
Catch {
        Write-Host "Failure"
        exit 1001
          }

TIA
John B


From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Mar 11 00:50:33 2014
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2014 23:50:33 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech]
 =?utf-8?q?FYI=3A_Cisco_Visual_Networking_Index=3A_Glob?=
 =?utf-8?q?al_Mobile_Data_Traffic_Forecast_Update=2C_2013=E2=80=932018?=
In-Reply-To: <1394474162.548298520@f176.i.mail.ru>
Message-ID: <950490080.10166088.1394517033655.JavaMail.root@cds018>

Hi Shamil:

That is incredible. 

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" <mcp2004 at mail.ru>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, March 10, 2014 10:56:02 AM
Subject: [dba-Tech] FYI: Cisco Visual Networking Index: Global Mobile Data Traffic Forecast Update, 2013?2018

 Hi All --

FYI: Cisco Visual Networking Index: Global Mobile Data Traffic Forecast Update, 2013?2018
http://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/solutions/collateral/service-provider/visual-networking-index-vni/white_paper_c11-520862.html
"Global mobile data traffic grew 81 percent in 2013. Global mobile data traffic reached 1.5 exabytes per month at the end of 2013, up from 820 petabytes per month at the end of 2012."
...

"Monthly global mobile data traffic will surpass 15 exabytes by 2018."
-- 
???????????? ??????
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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Tue Mar 11 06:19:03 2014
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2014 07:19:03 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] wi-fi plug-ins
Message-ID: <CA++Sg+cNBDCYFiZ+EKnvsZzK70asJYVRYbU4yQbwSnJb_K7_SA@mail.gmail.com>

I'm looking for a plug-in hot spot for my dell book. I'm working
fulltime for the next 8 months, but I can't use the wi-fi for my own
stuff -- job is nature-related and has nothing to do with software or
IT.

I can bring my dell, I just can't use their wi-fi. It's a state agency
and it's just... totally lock downed to keep the natives from
screaming that we're abusing their tax dollars.

I did a bit of research last night but really didn't turn up anything
that looks promising. I'm going to check out the existing laptops to
see what else is showing up, but I don't expect to find any free
connections in the area.

Looking for recommendations.

Susan H.

From ssharkins at gmail.com  Tue Mar 11 06:20:49 2014
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2014 07:20:49 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Fwd: wi-fi plug-ins
In-Reply-To: <CA++Sg+cNBDCYFiZ+EKnvsZzK70asJYVRYbU4yQbwSnJb_K7_SA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA++Sg+cNBDCYFiZ+EKnvsZzK70asJYVRYbU4yQbwSnJb_K7_SA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA++Sg+cn03ZJp3wWz57fF89Z5ph0KHKTujQG7K4aEvsbXAbMtw@mail.gmail.com>

I forgot to mention that I'm just about 1 mile from the place, as the
crow flies. Boosting my own signal here at home might be a realistic
option, but I haven't really looked into that option yet.

Susan H.




I'm looking for a plug-in hot spot for my dell book. I'm working
fulltime for the next 8 months, but I can't use the wi-fi for my own
stuff -- job is nature-related and has nothing to do with software or
IT.

From eptept at gmail.com  Tue Mar 11 06:26:13 2014
From: eptept at gmail.com (Ed Tesiny)
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2014 07:26:13 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] wi-fi plug-ins
In-Reply-To: <CA++Sg+cNBDCYFiZ+EKnvsZzK70asJYVRYbU4yQbwSnJb_K7_SA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA++Sg+cNBDCYFiZ+EKnvsZzK70asJYVRYbU4yQbwSnJb_K7_SA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAEkqQpU9Jphy9Ayip+xaVo3faN3Oe5fN9G3hLLee4OqJx5Cgjw@mail.gmail.com>

Susan,
Do you have a smartphone?


On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 7:19 AM, Susan Harkins <ssharkins at gmail.com> wrote:

> I'm looking for a plug-in hot spot for my dell book. I'm working
> fulltime for the next 8 months, but I can't use the wi-fi for my own
> stuff -- job is nature-related and has nothing to do with software or
> IT.
>
> I can bring my dell, I just can't use their wi-fi. It's a state agency
> and it's just... totally lock downed to keep the natives from
> screaming that we're abusing their tax dollars.
>
> I did a bit of research last night but really didn't turn up anything
> that looks promising. I'm going to check out the existing laptops to
> see what else is showing up, but I don't expect to find any free
> connections in the area.
>
> Looking for recommendations.
>
> Susan H.
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
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>

From eptept at gmail.com  Tue Mar 11 06:43:04 2014
From: eptept at gmail.com (Ed Tesiny)
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2014 07:43:04 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] wi-fi plug-ins
In-Reply-To: <CAEkqQpU9Jphy9Ayip+xaVo3faN3Oe5fN9G3hLLee4OqJx5Cgjw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA++Sg+cNBDCYFiZ+EKnvsZzK70asJYVRYbU4yQbwSnJb_K7_SA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAEkqQpU9Jphy9Ayip+xaVo3faN3Oe5fN9G3hLLee4OqJx5Cgjw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAEkqQpU5NOPOzAuFAjGrspdSC7TT6W6rrC97Gu8VqyyKm_zBxA@mail.gmail.com>

The reason I asked is that my Verizon phone can function as a WiFi hotspot.


On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 7:26 AM, Ed Tesiny <eptept at gmail.com> wrote:

> Susan,
> Do you have a smartphone?
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 7:19 AM, Susan Harkins <ssharkins at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> I'm looking for a plug-in hot spot for my dell book. I'm working
>> fulltime for the next 8 months, but I can't use the wi-fi for my own
>> stuff -- job is nature-related and has nothing to do with software or
>> IT.
>>
>> I can bring my dell, I just can't use their wi-fi. It's a state agency
>> and it's just... totally lock downed to keep the natives from
>> screaming that we're abusing their tax dollars.
>>
>> I did a bit of research last night but really didn't turn up anything
>> that looks promising. I'm going to check out the existing laptops to
>> see what else is showing up, but I don't expect to find any free
>> connections in the area.
>>
>> Looking for recommendations.
>>
>> Susan H.
>> _______________________________________________
>> dba-Tech mailing list
>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>
>

From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Tue Mar 11 07:13:36 2014
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2014 22:13:36 +1000
Subject: [dba-Tech] wi-fi plug-ins
In-Reply-To: <CA++Sg+cNBDCYFiZ+EKnvsZzK70asJYVRYbU4yQbwSnJb_K7_SA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA++Sg+cNBDCYFiZ+EKnvsZzK70asJYVRYbU4yQbwSnJb_K7_SA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <531EFDF0.11020.3485D848@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

I've been working out of town for quite a bit for the last few weeks.  In fact I'm sitting in a hotel 
room in Kokopo at the moment.

I'm b*ggered if I am going to pay the Hotel Wifi rates.  I just set my Samsung SII phone up as 
a "Portable Wi-Fi Hotspot" and am connecting to the internet over that.  (My phone data plan 
is about the same per MB as my home and office connections and the speed is similar as 
well).

-- 
Stuart 

On 11 Mar 2014 at 7:19, Susan Harkins wrote:

> I'm looking for a plug-in hot spot for my dell book. I'm working
> fulltime for the next 8 months, but I can't use the wi-fi for my own
> stuff -- job is nature-related and has nothing to do with software or
> IT.
> 
> I can bring my dell, I just can't use their wi-fi. It's a state agency
> and it's just... totally lock downed to keep the natives from
> screaming that we're abusing their tax dollars.
> 
> I did a bit of research last night but really didn't turn up anything
> that looks promising. I'm going to check out the existing laptops to
> see what else is showing up, but I don't expect to find any free
> connections in the area.
> 
> Looking for recommendations.
> 
> Susan H.
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
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> 



From kathryn at bassett.net  Tue Mar 11 11:16:19 2014
From: kathryn at bassett.net (Kathryn Bassett)
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2014 09:16:19 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] wi-fi plug-ins
In-Reply-To: <CA++Sg+cNBDCYFiZ+EKnvsZzK70asJYVRYbU4yQbwSnJb_K7_SA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA++Sg+cNBDCYFiZ+EKnvsZzK70asJYVRYbU4yQbwSnJb_K7_SA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAOIeTr63sZ5Ipryv+TZ45YcCiQAAEAAAANsFts4dVYFLsV21mruPCa8BAAAAAA==@bassett.net>

Will reply after work with a highly recommended answer to your question

> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-
> bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
> Sent: 11 Mar 2014 4:19 AM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: [dba-Tech] wi-fi plug-ins
> 
> I'm looking for a plug-in hot spot for my dell book. I'm working fulltime
for
> the next 8 months, but I can't use the wi-fi for my own stuff -- job is
nature-
> related and has nothing to do with software or IT.
> 
> I can bring my dell, I just can't use their wi-fi. It's a state agency and
it's just...
> totally lock downed to keep the natives from screaming that we're abusing
> their tax dollars.
> 
> I did a bit of research last night but really didn't turn up anything that
looks
> promising. I'm going to check out the existing laptops to see what else is
> showing up, but I don't expect to find any free connections in the area.
> 
> Looking for recommendations.
> 
> Susan H.
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com


From jbartow at winhaven.net  Tue Mar 11 11:35:32 2014
From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2014 11:35:32 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] wi-fi plug-ins
In-Reply-To: <CA++Sg+cNBDCYFiZ+EKnvsZzK70asJYVRYbU4yQbwSnJb_K7_SA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA++Sg+cNBDCYFiZ+EKnvsZzK70asJYVRYbU4yQbwSnJb_K7_SA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <00b501cf3d47$ec2e8dc0$c48ba940$@winhaven.net>

Many cell phone companies now offer a "mobile hotspot". By using one of
these you don't have to figure out how to tether your cell phone, if you can
even do that with yours.

In as non-technical terms as I can put it - it is a device that translates
the cell tower's wireless radio signals to the signal that wireless
computers use. 

They are usually routers too - which means you can connect more than one
device to their wireless signal.

Sometimes they even have a port for a wired connection.

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 6:19 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] wi-fi plug-ins

I'm looking for a plug-in hot spot for my dell book. I'm working fulltime
for the next 8 months, but I can't use the wi-fi for my own stuff -- job is
nature-related and has nothing to do with software or IT.

I can bring my dell, I just can't use their wi-fi. It's a state agency and
it's just... totally lock downed to keep the natives from screaming that
we're abusing their tax dollars.

I did a bit of research last night but really didn't turn up anything that
looks promising. I'm going to check out the existing laptops to see what
else is showing up, but I don't expect to find any free connections in the
area.

Looking for recommendations.

Susan H.
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Tue Mar 11 14:37:18 2014
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2014 15:37:18 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] FYI: Cisco Visual Networking Index: Global Mobile
 Data Traffic Forecast Update, 2013-2018
In-Reply-To: <950490080.10166088.1394517033655.JavaMail.root@cds018>
References: <1394474162.548298520@f176.i.mail.ru>
	<950490080.10166088.1394517033655.JavaMail.root@cds018>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1gVbckeoc_Xp7xqpvhpgO+9ug=ZZK9SOKTsWXsgGFEt0A@mail.gmail.com>

My only question (and I ought to know the answer but don't) is, What's
after exobytyes? From what earthly language are we deriving said names? And
while I have the podium, what's the step after exobytes++?

Arthur


From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Tue Mar 11 15:29:13 2014
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2014 06:29:13 +1000
Subject: [dba-Tech] FYI: Cisco Visual Networking Index: Global Mobile
	Data Traffic Forecast Update, 2013-2018
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1gVbckeoc_Xp7xqpvhpgO+9ug=ZZK9SOKTsWXsgGFEt0A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1394474162.548298520@f176.i.mail.ru>,
	<950490080.10166088.1394517033655.JavaMail.root@cds018>,
	<CAEPJO1gVbckeoc_Xp7xqpvhpgO+9ug=ZZK9SOKTsWXsgGFEt0A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <531F7219.6340.364B96DF@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

zettabyte  = 1000 ^ 7

Mainly Greek, but it varies:
http://www.ebyte.it/library/educards/siunits/TablesOfSiUnitsAndPrefixes.html

yottobyte  = 1000 ^ 8


On 11 Mar 2014 at 15:37, Arthur Fuller wrote:

> My only question (and I ought to know the answer but don't) is, What's
> after exobytyes? From what earthly language are we deriving said
> names? And while I have the podium, what's the step after exobytes++?
> 
> Arthur
> 
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Mar 11 16:02:06 2014
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2014 15:02:06 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] FYI: Cisco Visual Networking Index: Global Mobile
 Data Traffic Forecast Update, 2013-2018
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1gVbckeoc_Xp7xqpvhpgO+9ug=ZZK9SOKTsWXsgGFEt0A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1401751609.500702.1394571726644.JavaMail.root@cds018>

zetabyte or 10 to the 21st power.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Arthur Fuller" <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, 11 March, 2014 12:37:18 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] FYI: Cisco Visual Networking Index: Global Mobile Data Traffic Forecast Update, 2013-2018

My only question (and I ought to know the answer but don't) is, What's
after exobytyes? From what earthly language are we deriving said names? And
while I have the podium, what's the step after exobytes++?

Arthur

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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Tue Mar 11 17:00:58 2014
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2014 18:00:58 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] wi-fi plug-ins
In-Reply-To: <00b501cf3d47$ec2e8dc0$c48ba940$@winhaven.net>
References: <CA++Sg+cNBDCYFiZ+EKnvsZzK70asJYVRYbU4yQbwSnJb_K7_SA@mail.gmail.com>
	<00b501cf3d47$ec2e8dc0$c48ba940$@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <CA++Sg+fca--SZCWXM0=1BPWt3TU5RbJ-uTvJRMZu322Er0oR=w@mail.gmail.com>

Well, my cellphone is archaic -- kids at Salato wanted to know what
museum I found it in. :) I'm sure it wouldn't be compatible, but I'm
not opposed to upgrading. :)

Susan H.


Many cell phone companies now offer a "mobile hotspot". By using one of
these you don't have to figure out how to tether your cell phone, if you can
even do that with yours.

On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 12:35 PM, John Bartow <jbartow at winhaven.net> wrote:
> Many cell phone companies now offer a "mobile hotspot". By using one of
> these you don't have to figure out how to tether your cell phone, if you can
> even do that with yours.
>
> In as non-technical terms as I can put it - it is a device that translates
> the cell tower's wireless radio signals to the signal that wireless
> computers use.
>
> They are usually routers too - which means you can connect more than one
> device to their wireless signal.
>
> Sometimes they even have a port for a wired connection.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
> Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 6:19 AM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: [dba-Tech] wi-fi plug-ins
>
> I'm looking for a plug-in hot spot for my dell book. I'm working fulltime
> for the next 8 months, but I can't use the wi-fi for my own stuff -- job is
> nature-related and has nothing to do with software or IT.
>
> I can bring my dell, I just can't use their wi-fi. It's a state agency and
> it's just... totally lock downed to keep the natives from screaming that
> we're abusing their tax dollars.
>
> I did a bit of research last night but really didn't turn up anything that
> looks promising. I'm going to check out the existing laptops to see what
> else is showing up, but I don't expect to find any free connections in the
> area.
>
> Looking for recommendations.
>
> Susan H.
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Tue Mar 11 17:02:14 2014
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2014 18:02:14 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] wi-fi plug-ins
Message-ID: <CA++Sg+fL6UuqkFP+jB0gbo0Y=TJsv=QB8M-KHBUGzjmnq-1+bg@mail.gmail.com>

No -- no smartphone. :(

SUsan H.

On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 7:26 AM, Ed Tesiny <eptept at gmail.com> wrote:
> Susan,
> Do you have a smartphone?

From ssharkins at gmail.com  Tue Mar 11 17:03:31 2014
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2014 18:03:31 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] wi-fi plug-ins
Message-ID: <CA++Sg+dyhP9=OKGR7O450wMEOSqb8CK7+S5Ep_WtZEOaXk972g@mail.gmail.com>

I just don't use my cell -- it's an old phone and we use TracFone. If
I had a compelling need to upgrade and pay the monthly fee, I would --
if this turns out to be the cheapest/easiest solution, I just might.

Susan H.


On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 7:43 AM, Ed Tesiny <eptept at gmail.com> wrote:
> The reason I asked is that my Verizon phone can function as a WiFi hotspot.
>
>

From kathryn at bassett.net  Tue Mar 11 17:43:49 2014
From: kathryn at bassett.net (Kathryn Bassett)
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2014 15:43:49 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] wi-fi plug-ins
In-Reply-To: <CA++Sg+cNBDCYFiZ+EKnvsZzK70asJYVRYbU4yQbwSnJb_K7_SA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA++Sg+cNBDCYFiZ+EKnvsZzK70asJYVRYbU4yQbwSnJb_K7_SA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAOIeTr63sZ5Ipryv+TZ45YcCiQAAEAAAAFlDQDMTCLZLkE2L/59zGswBAAAAAA==@bassett.net>

Here's some articles to read. Once you've done so, Google "Mi-Fi" or go in
to Verizon (etc) to ask about them.

http://blog.eogn.com/eastmans_online_genealogy/2011/04/-a-hands-on-report-of
-the-new-sprint-3g4g-wireless-modem.html
(http://tinyurl.com/3p62que)

http://blog.eogn.com/eastmans_online_genealogy/2012/09/turn-any-laptop-into-
a-money-saving-wi-fi-hotspot-for-your-hotel-room.html
(http://tinyurl.com/d2t468r) 

http://blog.eogn.com/eastmans_online_genealogy/2013/05/is-this-the-smallest-
wi-fi-router.html
(http://tinyurl.com/k62tdxq)



> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-
> bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
> Sent: 11 Mar 2014 4:19 AM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: [dba-Tech] wi-fi plug-ins
> 
> I'm looking for a plug-in hot spot for my dell book. I'm working fulltime
for
> the next 8 months, but I can't use the wi-fi for my own stuff -- job is
nature-
> related and has nothing to do with software or IT.
> 
> I can bring my dell, I just can't use their wi-fi. It's a state agency and
it's just...
> totally lock downed to keep the natives from screaming that we're abusing
> their tax dollars.
> 
> I did a bit of research last night but really didn't turn up anything that
looks
> promising. I'm going to check out the existing laptops to see what else is
> showing up, but I don't expect to find any free connections in the area.
> 
> Looking for recommendations.
> 
> Susan H.
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Tue Mar 11 20:25:49 2014
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2014 21:25:49 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] wi-fi plug-ins
In-Reply-To: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAOIeTr63sZ5Ipryv+TZ45YcCiQAAEAAAAFlDQDMTCLZLkE2L/59zGswBAAAAAA==@bassett.net>
References: <CA++Sg+cNBDCYFiZ+EKnvsZzK70asJYVRYbU4yQbwSnJb_K7_SA@mail.gmail.com>
	<!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAOIeTr63sZ5Ipryv+TZ45YcCiQAAEAAAAFlDQDMTCLZLkE2L/59zGswBAAAAAA==@bassett.net>
Message-ID: <007201cf3d92$02201410$06603c30$@gmail.com>

If I'm reading correctly, the portable routers would be "hacking" into
Salato's wireless -- I can't do that. Did I misunderstand? I can't connect
my book directly. Nor could I piggyback onto -- I can't access it at all.
Totally against the rules. 

Susan H. 

Here's some articles to read. Once you've done so, Google "Mi-Fi" or go in
to Verizon (etc) to ask about them.

http://blog.eogn.com/eastmans_online_genealogy/2011/04/-a-hands-on-report-of
-the-new-sprint-3g4g-wireless-modem.html
(http://tinyurl.com/3p62que)

http://blog.eogn.com/eastmans_online_genealogy/2012/09/turn-any-laptop-into-
a-money-saving-wi-fi-hotspot-for-your-hotel-room.html
(http://tinyurl.com/d2t468r) 

http://blog.eogn.com/eastmans_online_genealogy/2013/05/is-this-the-smallest-
wi-fi-router.html
(http://tinyurl.com/k62tdxq)



> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech- 
> bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
> Sent: 11 Mar 2014 4:19 AM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: [dba-Tech] wi-fi plug-ins
> 
> I'm looking for a plug-in hot spot for my dell book. I'm working 
> fulltime
for
> the next 8 months, but I can't use the wi-fi for my own stuff -- job 
> is
nature-
> related and has nothing to do with software or IT.
> 
> I can bring my dell, I just can't use their wi-fi. It's a state agency 
> and
it's just...
> totally lock downed to keep the natives from screaming that we're 
> abusing their tax dollars.
> 
> I did a bit of research last night but really didn't turn up anything 
> that
looks
> promising. I'm going to check out the existing laptops to see what 
> else is showing up, but I don't expect to find any free connections in the
area.
> 
> Looking for recommendations.
> 
> Susan H.
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Tue Mar 11 20:25:49 2014
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2014 21:25:49 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] wi-fi plug-ins
In-Reply-To: <00b501cf3d47$ec2e8dc0$c48ba940$@winhaven.net>
References: <CA++Sg+cNBDCYFiZ+EKnvsZzK70asJYVRYbU4yQbwSnJb_K7_SA@mail.gmail.com>
	<00b501cf3d47$ec2e8dc0$c48ba940$@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <007301cf3d92$02e20480$08a60d80$@gmail.com>

Okay -- TracFone now sells smart phones, but I don't know what to look for.
I can send an inquiry to their CS, but I'm not sure how to ask -- if the
phone is capable of acting as an internet hotspot for my dell book? 

Susan H.

Many cell phone companies now offer a "mobile hotspot". By using one of
these you don't have to figure out how to tether your cell phone, if you can
even do that with yours.

In as non-technical terms as I can put it - it is a device that translates
the cell tower's wireless radio signals to the signal that wireless
computers use. 

They are usually routers too - which means you can connect more than one
device to their wireless signal.

Sometimes they even have a port for a wired connection.



From kathryn at bassett.net  Tue Mar 11 21:01:22 2014
From: kathryn at bassett.net (Kathryn Bassett)
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2014 19:01:22 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] wi-fi plug-ins
In-Reply-To: <007201cf3d92$02201410$06603c30$@gmail.com>
References: <CA++Sg+cNBDCYFiZ+EKnvsZzK70asJYVRYbU4yQbwSnJb_K7_SA@mail.gmail.com>	<!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAOIeTr63sZ5Ipryv+TZ45YcCiQAAEAAAAFlDQDMTCLZLkE2L/59zGswBAAAAAA==@bassett.net>
	<007201cf3d92$02201410$06603c30$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAOIeTr63sZ5Ipryv+TZ45YcCiQAAEAAAAJKv+k1Vs5ZMk4d10HFF94EBAAAAAA==@bassett.net>

No - you have a monthly contract fee to pay, like you would for a phone. In
the case of Verizon, would be $20/month line charge and $30/month for
4gig/month


> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-
> bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
> Sent: 11 Mar 2014 6:26 PM
> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] wi-fi plug-ins
> 
> If I'm reading correctly, the portable routers would be "hacking" into
Salato's
> wireless -- I can't do that. Did I misunderstand? I can't connect my book
> directly. Nor could I piggyback onto -- I can't access it at all.
> Totally against the rules.
> 
> Susan H.
> 
> Here's some articles to read. Once you've done so, Google "Mi-Fi" or go in
to
> Verizon (etc) to ask about them.
> 
> http://blog.eogn.com/eastmans_online_genealogy/2011/04/-a-hands-on-
> report-of
> -the-new-sprint-3g4g-wireless-modem.html
> (http://tinyurl.com/3p62que)
> 
> http://blog.eogn.com/eastmans_online_genealogy/2012/09/turn-any-
> laptop-into-
> a-money-saving-wi-fi-hotspot-for-your-hotel-room.html
> (http://tinyurl.com/d2t468r)
> 
> http://blog.eogn.com/eastmans_online_genealogy/2013/05/is-this-the-
> smallest-
> wi-fi-router.html
> (http://tinyurl.com/k62tdxq)
> 
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-
> > bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
> > Sent: 11 Mar 2014 4:19 AM
> > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> > Subject: [dba-Tech] wi-fi plug-ins
> >
> > I'm looking for a plug-in hot spot for my dell book. I'm working
> > fulltime
> for
> > the next 8 months, but I can't use the wi-fi for my own stuff -- job
> > is
> nature-
> > related and has nothing to do with software or IT.
> >
> > I can bring my dell, I just can't use their wi-fi. It's a state agency
> > and
> it's just...
> > totally lock downed to keep the natives from screaming that we're
> > abusing their tax dollars.
> >
> > I did a bit of research last night but really didn't turn up anything
> > that
> looks
> > promising. I'm going to check out the existing laptops to see what
> > else is showing up, but I don't expect to find any free connections in
> > the
> area.
> >
> > Looking for recommendations.
> >
> > Susan H.
> > _______________________________________________
> > dba-Tech mailing list
> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 
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From peter.brawley at earthlink.net  Tue Mar 11 21:39:39 2014
From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley)
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2014 21:39:39 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] wi-fi plug-ins
In-Reply-To: <CA++Sg+dyhP9=OKGR7O450wMEOSqb8CK7+S5Ep_WtZEOaXk972g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA++Sg+dyhP9=OKGR7O450wMEOSqb8CK7+S5Ep_WtZEOaXk972g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <531FC8EB.6070607@earthlink.net>

On 2014-03-11 5:03 PM, Susan Harkins wrote:
> I just don't use my cell -- it's an old phone and we use TracFone.

Inexpensive ($50/mo) smartphone contracts are available. Also 
pay-as-you-go smartphones. Either would solve your problem. So a 3G 
pay-as-you-go contract for your laptop along with a little 3G dongle.

IAC consider dropping TracFone for a reputable callphone carrier.

PB

------


> If
> I had a compelling need to upgrade and pay the monthly fee, I would --
> if this turns out to be the cheapest/easiest solution, I just might.
>
> Susan H.
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 7:43 AM, Ed Tesiny <eptept at gmail.com> wrote:
>> The reason I asked is that my Verizon phone can function as a WiFi hotspot.
>>
>>
> _______________________________________________
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> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>


From jbartow at winhaven.net  Tue Mar 11 21:54:37 2014
From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2014 21:54:37 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] wi-fi plug-ins
In-Reply-To: <007301cf3d92$02e20480$08a60d80$@gmail.com>
References: <CA++Sg+cNBDCYFiZ+EKnvsZzK70asJYVRYbU4yQbwSnJb_K7_SA@mail.gmail.com>	<00b501cf3d47$ec2e8dc0$c48ba940$@winhaven.net>
	<007301cf3d92$02e20480$08a60d80$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <015c01cf3d9e$68815ff0$39841fd0$@winhaven.net>

Kathryn and I are referring to the same type of device. She's using
Verizon's name for it (MiFi) and I'm referring to it in general terms. It is
not a smart phone. It is a "cell tower signal" based "wireless router". It
takes about 5 minutes to open the box and get it up and running the first
time. After that you just carry it around with you and your notebook and
turn it on to use it. They generally have pretty good battery life too so
you don't even have to plug all of that stuff in.

Some other people made the comment that you could use your cell phone (only
if it's a smart phone) to act in the same role which is called "tethering".
This means you are using your smart phone as a "cell tower signal" based
"wireless router".

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 8:26 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] wi-fi plug-ins

Okay -- TracFone now sells smart phones, but I don't know what to look for.
I can send an inquiry to their CS, but I'm not sure how to ask -- if the
phone is capable of acting as an internet hotspot for my dell book? 

Susan H.

Many cell phone companies now offer a "mobile hotspot". By using one of
these you don't have to figure out how to tether your cell phone, if you can
even do that with yours.

In as non-technical terms as I can put it - it is a device that translates
the cell tower's wireless radio signals to the signal that wireless
computers use. 

They are usually routers too - which means you can connect more than one
device to their wireless signal.

Sometimes they even have a port for a wired connection.


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From eptept at gmail.com  Wed Mar 12 06:47:12 2014
From: eptept at gmail.com (Ed Tesiny)
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2014 07:47:12 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] wi-fi plug-ins
In-Reply-To: <531FC8EB.6070607@earthlink.net>
References: <CA++Sg+dyhP9=OKGR7O450wMEOSqb8CK7+S5Ep_WtZEOaXk972g@mail.gmail.com>
	<531FC8EB.6070607@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <CAEkqQpUCjCrzupjjGDAM86kgd3SteJrgUYU0qb+95dMmXxYYPw@mail.gmail.com>

IIRC, most providers (Verizon, AT&T, etc.) now offer pay as you
go...monthly, so you don't get into a 24 month contract.  We pay ~
$150/month but we just signed up for a $20 discount because we have both
Verizon Wireless and Verizon Fios triple play.


On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 10:39 PM, Peter Brawley <peter.brawley at earthlink.net
> wrote:

> On 2014-03-11 5:03 PM, Susan Harkins wrote:
>
>> I just don't use my cell -- it's an old phone and we use TracFone.
>>
>
> Inexpensive ($50/mo) smartphone contracts are available. Also
> pay-as-you-go smartphones. Either would solve your problem. So a 3G
> pay-as-you-go contract for your laptop along with a little 3G dongle.
>
> IAC consider dropping TracFone for a reputable callphone carrier.
>
> PB
>
> ------
>
>
>
>  If
>> I had a compelling need to upgrade and pay the monthly fee, I would --
>> if this turns out to be the cheapest/easiest solution, I just might.
>>
>> Susan H.
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 7:43 AM, Ed Tesiny <eptept at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> The reason I asked is that my Verizon phone can function as a WiFi
>>> hotspot.
>>>
>>>
>>>  _______________________________________________
>> dba-Tech mailing list
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Wed Mar 12 10:34:06 2014
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2014 11:34:06 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Fake Duplex Printing
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1jTxKULGAEwe9nvZF022e92xyNRQDFbVV_xhMk2kYGVxg@mail.gmail.com>

In the absence of a duplex printer, what's the simplest way to print a
50-page document from OpenOffice? IOW, my friend wants to print the
odd-numbered pages first, then flip the pages and re-insert them, and print
the even-numbered pages.

-- 
Arthur

From paul.hartland at googlemail.com  Wed Mar 12 10:46:38 2014
From: paul.hartland at googlemail.com (Paul Hartland)
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2014 15:46:38 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Fake Duplex Printing
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1jTxKULGAEwe9nvZF022e92xyNRQDFbVV_xhMk2kYGVxg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1jTxKULGAEwe9nvZF022e92xyNRQDFbVV_xhMk2kYGVxg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALGJE95CgOPaCAM4QxdVU1KXXm4RHsPro+M3AZXwZYUWcMqwPQ@mail.gmail.com>

Arthur,

Now I haven't tried this, but heard that this may work:

1.  Open the document.
2.  File/Print, should show you a form with tabs general, openoffice
writer, page layout & options.
3.  Select tab Page Layout and you should see a section called page sides
with a drop-down, here you can choose front or back sides, choose one,
print, choose the other and print.

Apparently this should work, may be worth giving it a little try on a
smaller test document first, would of tried myself but do not have any ink
in my printer.

Paul


On 12 March 2014 15:34, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com> wrote:

> In the absence of a duplex printer, what's the simplest way to print a
> 50-page document from OpenOffice? IOW, my friend wants to print the
> odd-numbered pages first, then flip the pages and re-insert them, and print
> the even-numbered pages.
>
> --
> Arthur
> _______________________________________________
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>



-- 
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paul.hartland at googlemail.com

From djkr at msn.com  Wed Mar 12 11:06:19 2014
From: djkr at msn.com (DJK (John) Robinson)
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2014 16:06:19 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Fake Duplex Printing
In-Reply-To: <CALGJE95CgOPaCAM4QxdVU1KXXm4RHsPro+M3AZXwZYUWcMqwPQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP1487DEFCCE142DC109B6691D2760@phx.gbl>

In case that doesn't work (and anything purporting to be a word processor *must* have such a basic facility!) -

Either (a) export the document to Word and print from there [ducks the bricks being thrown] ...

Or (b) 'print' to a pdf file and use Adobe Reader.

John


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Paul Hartland
Sent: 12 March 2014 15:47
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Fake Duplex Printing


Arthur,

Now I haven't tried this, but heard that this may work:

1.  Open the document.
2.  File/Print, should show you a form with tabs general, openoffice writer, page layout & options. 3.  Select tab Page
Layout and you should see a section called page sides with a drop-down, here you can choose front or back sides, choose
one, print, choose the other and print.

Apparently this should work, may be worth giving it a little try on a smaller test document first, would of tried myself
but do not have any ink in my printer.

Paul


On 12 March 2014 15:34, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com> wrote:

> In the absence of a duplex printer, what's the simplest way to print a 
> 50-page document from OpenOffice? IOW, my friend wants to print the 
> odd-numbered pages first, then flip the pages and re-insert them, and 
> print the even-numbered pages.
>
> --
> Arthur
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com 
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
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>



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From garykjos at gmail.com  Wed Mar 12 11:28:06 2014
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2014 11:28:06 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Fake Duplex Printing
In-Reply-To: <BLU0-SMTP1487DEFCCE142DC109B6691D2760@phx.gbl>
References: <CALGJE95CgOPaCAM4QxdVU1KXXm4RHsPro+M3AZXwZYUWcMqwPQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<BLU0-SMTP1487DEFCCE142DC109B6691D2760@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <CAJ2R_pJie_bm+68Q3e_PWbT_xSPkpLD8GJD=eC_vdxbKT1EG-Q@mail.gmail.com>

And good luck not getting a misfeed when you print the second sides...... I
often have that happen as the paper doesn't feed nearly as smoothly the
second time through and tends to want to double feed 2 pages which then
messes up all the subsequent pages after that so you have to start over
with the front sides. Heavy sigh.... I'm using a ink jet of course and will
usually hand feed the second sides one page at a time so as to guard
against that. Well after it happens as described the first time so I wasted
paper and more importantly ink.

GK


On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 11:06 AM, DJK (John) Robinson <djkr at msn.com> wrote:

> In case that doesn't work (and anything purporting to be a word processor
> *must* have such a basic facility!) -
>
> Either (a) export the document to Word and print from there [ducks the
> bricks being thrown] ...
>
> Or (b) 'print' to a pdf file and use Adobe Reader.
>
> John
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:
> dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Paul Hartland
> Sent: 12 March 2014 15:47
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Fake Duplex Printing
>
>
> Arthur,
>
> Now I haven't tried this, but heard that this may work:
>
> 1.  Open the document.
> 2.  File/Print, should show you a form with tabs general, openoffice
> writer, page layout & options. 3.  Select tab Page
> Layout and you should see a section called page sides with a drop-down,
> here you can choose front or back sides, choose
> one, print, choose the other and print.
>
> Apparently this should work, may be worth giving it a little try on a
> smaller test document first, would of tried myself
> but do not have any ink in my printer.
>
> Paul
>
>
> On 12 March 2014 15:34, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > In the absence of a duplex printer, what's the simplest way to print a
> > 50-page document from OpenOffice? IOW, my friend wants to print the
> > odd-numbered pages first, then flip the pages and re-insert them, and
> > print the even-numbered pages.
> >
> > --
> > Arthur
>

-- 
Gary Kjos
garykjos at gmail.com

From eptept at gmail.com  Wed Mar 12 11:36:23 2014
From: eptept at gmail.com (Ed Tesiny)
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2014 12:36:23 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Fake Duplex Printing
In-Reply-To: <CAJ2R_pJie_bm+68Q3e_PWbT_xSPkpLD8GJD=eC_vdxbKT1EG-Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALGJE95CgOPaCAM4QxdVU1KXXm4RHsPro+M3AZXwZYUWcMqwPQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<BLU0-SMTP1487DEFCCE142DC109B6691D2760@phx.gbl>
	<CAJ2R_pJie_bm+68Q3e_PWbT_xSPkpLD8GJD=eC_vdxbKT1EG-Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAEkqQpX_6Cz3x-LK20Vksw8a054WTTKkFe0g2U1VNtku+Qa67Q@mail.gmail.com>

Gary's right, the papers thickness tends to change after going through the
printer once.  This is especially true of laser printers.  I suppose an
option, if the document is important would be to take it to Kinko's or
similar and have them print it.


On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 12:28 PM, Gary Kjos <garykjos at gmail.com> wrote:

> And good luck not getting a misfeed when you print the second sides...... I
> often have that happen as the paper doesn't feed nearly as smoothly the
> second time through and tends to want to double feed 2 pages which then
> messes up all the subsequent pages after that so you have to start over
> with the front sides. Heavy sigh.... I'm using a ink jet of course and will
> usually hand feed the second sides one page at a time so as to guard
> against that. Well after it happens as described the first time so I wasted
> paper and more importantly ink.
>
> GK
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 11:06 AM, DJK (John) Robinson <djkr at msn.com>
> wrote:
>
> > In case that doesn't work (and anything purporting to be a word processor
> > *must* have such a basic facility!) -
> >
> > Either (a) export the document to Word and print from there [ducks the
> > bricks being thrown] ...
> >
> > Or (b) 'print' to a pdf file and use Adobe Reader.
> >
> > John
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:
> > dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Paul Hartland
> > Sent: 12 March 2014 15:47
> > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Fake Duplex Printing
> >
> >
> > Arthur,
> >
> > Now I haven't tried this, but heard that this may work:
> >
> > 1.  Open the document.
> > 2.  File/Print, should show you a form with tabs general, openoffice
> > writer, page layout & options. 3.  Select tab Page
> > Layout and you should see a section called page sides with a drop-down,
> > here you can choose front or back sides, choose
> > one, print, choose the other and print.
> >
> > Apparently this should work, may be worth giving it a little try on a
> > smaller test document first, would of tried myself
> > but do not have any ink in my printer.
> >
> > Paul
> >
> >
> > On 12 March 2014 15:34, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > In the absence of a duplex printer, what's the simplest way to print a
> > > 50-page document from OpenOffice? IOW, my friend wants to print the
> > > odd-numbered pages first, then flip the pages and re-insert them, and
> > > print the even-numbered pages.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Arthur
> >
>
> --
> Gary Kjos
> garykjos at gmail.com
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>

From paul.hartland at googlemail.com  Wed Mar 12 12:30:15 2014
From: paul.hartland at googlemail.com (Paul Hartland)
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2014 17:30:15 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Fake Duplex Printing
In-Reply-To: <CAEkqQpX_6Cz3x-LK20Vksw8a054WTTKkFe0g2U1VNtku+Qa67Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALGJE95CgOPaCAM4QxdVU1KXXm4RHsPro+M3AZXwZYUWcMqwPQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<BLU0-SMTP1487DEFCCE142DC109B6691D2760@phx.gbl>
	<CAJ2R_pJie_bm+68Q3e_PWbT_xSPkpLD8GJD=eC_vdxbKT1EG-Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAEkqQpX_6Cz3x-LK20Vksw8a054WTTKkFe0g2U1VNtku+Qa67Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALGJE964NDETMoe4uW+f1h8Apq2HXUHU6W4K25P=xMD8oCrZCg@mail.gmail.com>

That's true, but you can get a better result after you print the first side
leave them somewhere a while for the paper to cool and rest, then put them
on a flat clean surface, I sometimes put them on top of a spare piece of
A4, then put another piece of A4 on top, then I normal get a full ream of
paper and put this on top usually for about half hour (more is usually
better, but im impatient), then I fan the paper by hold one side and
flicking the pages, then do the reverse, square the paper back off and
usually works for me unless I have just been lucky :)

Paul


On 12 March 2014 16:36, Ed Tesiny <eptept at gmail.com> wrote:

> Gary's right, the papers thickness tends to change after going through the
> printer once.  This is especially true of laser printers.  I suppose an
> option, if the document is important would be to take it to Kinko's or
> similar and have them print it.
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 12:28 PM, Gary Kjos <garykjos at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > And good luck not getting a misfeed when you print the second
> sides...... I
> > often have that happen as the paper doesn't feed nearly as smoothly the
> > second time through and tends to want to double feed 2 pages which then
> > messes up all the subsequent pages after that so you have to start over
> > with the front sides. Heavy sigh.... I'm using a ink jet of course and
> will
> > usually hand feed the second sides one page at a time so as to guard
> > against that. Well after it happens as described the first time so I
> wasted
> > paper and more importantly ink.
> >
> > GK
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 11:06 AM, DJK (John) Robinson <djkr at msn.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > In case that doesn't work (and anything purporting to be a word
> processor
> > > *must* have such a basic facility!) -
> > >
> > > Either (a) export the document to Word and print from there [ducks the
> > > bricks being thrown] ...
> > >
> > > Or (b) 'print' to a pdf file and use Adobe Reader.
> > >
> > > John
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:
> > > dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Paul Hartland
> > > Sent: 12 March 2014 15:47
> > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Fake Duplex Printing
> > >
> > >
> > > Arthur,
> > >
> > > Now I haven't tried this, but heard that this may work:
> > >
> > > 1.  Open the document.
> > > 2.  File/Print, should show you a form with tabs general, openoffice
> > > writer, page layout & options. 3.  Select tab Page
> > > Layout and you should see a section called page sides with a drop-down,
> > > here you can choose front or back sides, choose
> > > one, print, choose the other and print.
> > >
> > > Apparently this should work, may be worth giving it a little try on a
> > > smaller test document first, would of tried myself
> > > but do not have any ink in my printer.
> > >
> > > Paul
> > >
> > >
> > > On 12 March 2014 15:34, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > In the absence of a duplex printer, what's the simplest way to print
> a
> > > > 50-page document from OpenOffice? IOW, my friend wants to print the
> > > > odd-numbered pages first, then flip the pages and re-insert them, and
> > > > print the even-numbered pages.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Arthur
> > >
> >
> > --
> > Gary Kjos
> > garykjos at gmail.com
> > _______________________________________________
> > dba-Tech mailing list
> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
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>



-- 
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paul.hartland at googlemail.com

From ssharkins at gmail.com  Wed Mar 12 18:00:35 2014
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2014 19:00:35 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] wi-fi plug-ins
In-Reply-To: <CAEkqQpUCjCrzupjjGDAM86kgd3SteJrgUYU0qb+95dMmXxYYPw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA++Sg+dyhP9=OKGR7O450wMEOSqb8CK7+S5Ep_WtZEOaXk972g@mail.gmail.com>	<531FC8EB.6070607@earthlink.net>
	<CAEkqQpUCjCrzupjjGDAM86kgd3SteJrgUYU0qb+95dMmXxYYPw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <021601cf3e46$e298a0c0$a7c9e240$@gmail.com>

I think, if I'm going to pay for something, and I expected to, I might as
well upgrade to a cellphone with tethering capabilities. I'd rather go with
a pay as you go plan though -- we just don't use our cellphones enough to
warrant the high contract fees that most people are paying. I'd be getting
off, doing a bit of online searching, downloading a bit, and getting off. 

Susan H. 


IIRC, most providers (Verizon, AT&T, etc.) now offer pay as you
go...monthly, so you don't get into a 24 month contract.  We pay ~
$150/month but we just signed up for a $20 discount because we have both
Verizon Wireless and Verizon Fios triple play.


On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 10:39 PM, Peter Brawley <peter.brawley at earthlink.net
> wrote:

> On 2014-03-11 5:03 PM, Susan Harkins wrote:
>
>> I just don't use my cell -- it's an old phone and we use TracFone.
>>
>
> Inexpensive ($50/mo) smartphone contracts are available. Also 
> pay-as-you-go smartphones. Either would solve your problem. So a 3G 
> pay-as-you-go contract for your laptop along with a little 3G dongle.
>
> IAC consider dropping TracFone for a reputable callphone carrier.
>
> PB
>
> ------
>
>
>
>  If
>> I had a compelling need to upgrade and pay the monthly fee, I would 
>> -- if this turns out to be the cheapest/easiest solution, I just might.
>>
>> Susan H.
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 7:43 AM, Ed Tesiny <eptept at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> The reason I asked is that my Verizon phone can function as a WiFi 
>>> hotspot.
>>>
>>>
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Mar 12 19:58:35 2014
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2014 18:58:35 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Fake Duplex Printing
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1jTxKULGAEwe9nvZF022e92xyNRQDFbVV_xhMk2kYGVxg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1113539869.1499727.1394672315113.JavaMail.root@cds018>

Hi Arthur:

It should just be a printer dependant thing. There are very few home printers that can duplex which mean if you want two sided copy, it is as you described...a manual operation.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Arthur Fuller" <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2014 8:34:06 AM
Subject: [dba-Tech] Fake Duplex Printing

In the absence of a duplex printer, what's the simplest way to print a
50-page document from OpenOffice? IOW, my friend wants to print the
odd-numbered pages first, then flip the pages and re-insert them, and print
the even-numbered pages.

-- 
Arthur
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Mar 12 20:00:16 2014
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2014 19:00:16 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Fake Duplex Printing
In-Reply-To: <BLU0-SMTP1487DEFCCE142DC109B6691D2760@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <758910988.1500171.1394672416636.JavaMail.root@cds018>

LibraOffice works just fine..I have never had any problem.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "DJK (John) Robinson" <djkr at msn.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2014 9:06:19 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Fake Duplex Printing

In case that doesn't work (and anything purporting to be a word processor *must* have such a basic facility!) -

Either (a) export the document to Word and print from there [ducks the bricks being thrown] ...

Or (b) 'print' to a pdf file and use Adobe Reader.

John


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Paul Hartland
Sent: 12 March 2014 15:47
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Fake Duplex Printing


Arthur,

Now I haven't tried this, but heard that this may work:

1.  Open the document.
2.  File/Print, should show you a form with tabs general, openoffice writer, page layout & options. 3.  Select tab Page
Layout and you should see a section called page sides with a drop-down, here you can choose front or back sides, choose
one, print, choose the other and print.

Apparently this should work, may be worth giving it a little try on a smaller test document first, would of tried myself
but do not have any ink in my printer.

Paul


On 12 March 2014 15:34, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com> wrote:

> In the absence of a duplex printer, what's the simplest way to print a 
> 50-page document from OpenOffice? IOW, my friend wants to print the 
> odd-numbered pages first, then flip the pages and re-insert them, and 
> print the even-numbered pages.
>
> --
> Arthur
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com 
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>



-- 
Paul Hartland
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From kathryn at bassett.net  Wed Mar 12 23:09:20 2014
From: kathryn at bassett.net (Kathryn Bassett)
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2014 21:09:20 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] wi-fi plug-ins
In-Reply-To: <CAEkqQpUCjCrzupjjGDAM86kgd3SteJrgUYU0qb+95dMmXxYYPw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA++Sg+dyhP9=OKGR7O450wMEOSqb8CK7+S5Ep_WtZEOaXk972g@mail.gmail.com>	<531FC8EB.6070607@earthlink.net>
	<CAEkqQpUCjCrzupjjGDAM86kgd3SteJrgUYU0qb+95dMmXxYYPw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAOIeTr63sZ5Ipryv+TZ45YcCiQAAEAAAAE4FD8iO89pDlL8F6sTzCh0BAAAAAA==@bassett.net>

It's a trade-off - with no contract, you pay for the device. With a
contract, the device is usually free. So weigh that information as well.
Kathryn

> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-
> bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Ed Tesiny
> Sent: 12 Mar 2014 4:47 AM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] wi-fi plug-ins
> 
> IIRC, most providers (Verizon, AT&T, etc.) now offer pay as you
go...monthly,
> so you don't get into a 24 month contract.  We pay ~ $150/month but we
just
> signed up for a $20 discount because we have both Verizon Wireless and
> Verizon Fios triple play.
> 
> 
> On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 10:39 PM, Peter Brawley
> <peter.brawley at earthlink.net
> > wrote:
> 
> > On 2014-03-11 5:03 PM, Susan Harkins wrote:
> >
> >> I just don't use my cell -- it's an old phone and we use TracFone.


From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Thu Mar 13 05:49:06 2014
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2014 06:49:06 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] wi-fi plug-ins
In-Reply-To: <CA++Sg+cNBDCYFiZ+EKnvsZzK70asJYVRYbU4yQbwSnJb_K7_SA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA++Sg+cNBDCYFiZ+EKnvsZzK70asJYVRYbU4yQbwSnJb_K7_SA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <53218D22.50906@torchlake.com>

Have you checked into Karma, the portable hot-spot?
https://yourkarma.com/
TNF

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
231-322-2787

On 3/11/2014 7:19 AM, Susan Harkins wrote:
> I'm looking for a plug-in hot spot for my dell book. I'm working
> fulltime for the next 8 months, but I can't use the wi-fi for my own
> stuff -- job is nature-related and has nothing to do with software or
> IT.
>
> I can bring my dell, I just can't use their wi-fi. It's a state agency
> and it's just... totally lock downed to keep the natives from
> screaming that we're abusing their tax dollars.
>
> I did a bit of research last night but really didn't turn up anything
> that looks promising. I'm going to check out the existing laptops to
> see what else is showing up, but I don't expect to find any free
> connections in the area.
>
> Looking for recommendations.
>
> Susan H.
> _______________________________________________
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>


From eptept at gmail.com  Thu Mar 13 07:00:16 2014
From: eptept at gmail.com (Ed Tesiny)
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2014 08:00:16 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Fake Duplex Printing
In-Reply-To: <1113539869.1499727.1394672315113.JavaMail.root@cds018>
References: <CAEPJO1jTxKULGAEwe9nvZF022e92xyNRQDFbVV_xhMk2kYGVxg@mail.gmail.com>
	<1113539869.1499727.1394672315113.JavaMail.root@cds018>
Message-ID: <CAEkqQpU8ugsDqAsDs2NGL1u-Qz+oFNQH53JL0Vf9GFmX84t26w@mail.gmail.com>

Actually I didn't know my printer did duplex until it gave me that option
on printing income tax IIFC.


On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 8:58 PM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> Hi Arthur:
>
> It should just be a printer dependant thing. There are very few home
> printers that can duplex which mean if you want two sided copy, it is as
> you described...a manual operation.
>
> Jim
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Arthur Fuller" <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <
> dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2014 8:34:06 AM
> Subject: [dba-Tech] Fake Duplex Printing
>
> In the absence of a duplex printer, what's the simplest way to print a
> 50-page document from OpenOffice? IOW, my friend wants to print the
> odd-numbered pages first, then flip the pages and re-insert them, and print
> the even-numbered pages.
>
> --
> Arthur
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> _______________________________________________
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>

From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Thu Mar 13 08:22:17 2014
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2014 09:22:17 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Fake Duplex Printing
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1jTxKULGAEwe9nvZF022e92xyNRQDFbVV_xhMk2kYGVxg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1jTxKULGAEwe9nvZF022e92xyNRQDFbVV_xhMk2kYGVxg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5321B109.9090902@torchlake.com>

Hi Arthur,

I've read through the fine responses you've already had from our 
colleagues and I pretty much concur with what they've all said. I'm 
sharing my own experience on this, now, since I often do need to do 
two-sided pages.

I used to simply print all the odd-numbered pages, then flip the pages 
and print the even-numbered pages.  The issues there are whether the 
pages are output face up or face down.  If face up, then just flipping 
the pages will work.  If the pages come out face down, the second 
printing must go in the opposite direction, i.e., first print goes 1-35 
odd only, second print goes 36-2 even only.  This part of the issue is 
printer-specific.  In my HP laser printer, if I have the back tray open, 
pages go straight through and are delivered face up.  If the back tray 
is closed, pages get turned over and are delivered face down.  That 
printer is not equipped with a duplexing attachment, so everything is 
manual.  My HP inkjet printer does have the duplexing attachment, and it 
works quite well - the way the pages are delivered is face up, but the 
order of output depends on whether I'm doing one-sided or two-sided 
printing.

Paper mis-feed is a real problem, whether one is dealing with a laser 
printer or an inkjet printer - especially in settings with high static 
electricity or in hot damp weather.  I also find that the longer the 
print job is, the more likely the paper is to jam or mis-feed.

If the print job is important to me - and it usually is - I will break 
it down into smaller chunks, say five or ten sheets of paper at a time.  
Once I start experiencing paper mis-feeds, I am likely to hand feed the 
pages, one at a time, and flip each one to print the next page.  On a 
165-page programming manual, this takes me a long time, but I still do 
it.  Usually, I set up some other task to keep me busy between turns :-)

Hope this helps,
TNF

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
231-322-2787

On 3/12/2014 11:34 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote:
> In the absence of a duplex printer, what's the simplest way to print a
> 50-page document from OpenOffice? IOW, my friend wants to print the
> odd-numbered pages first, then flip the pages and re-insert them, and print
> the even-numbered pages.
>


From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Mar 13 11:31:11 2014
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2014 10:31:11 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Fake Duplex Printing
In-Reply-To: <CAEkqQpU8ugsDqAsDs2NGL1u-Qz+oFNQH53JL0Vf9GFmX84t26w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <789858287.1917026.1394728271046.JavaMail.root@cds018>

Duplexing is a real nice feature to have but traditionally it is one of the first features to break, even in the business quality printers.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ed Tesiny" <eptept at gmail.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2014 5:00:16 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Fake Duplex Printing

Actually I didn't know my printer did duplex until it gave me that option
on printing income tax IIFC.


On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 8:58 PM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> Hi Arthur:
>
> It should just be a printer dependant thing. There are very few home
> printers that can duplex which mean if you want two sided copy, it is as
> you described...a manual operation.
>
> Jim
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Arthur Fuller" <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <
> dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2014 8:34:06 AM
> Subject: [dba-Tech] Fake Duplex Printing
>
> In the absence of a duplex printer, what's the simplest way to print a
> 50-page document from OpenOffice? IOW, my friend wants to print the
> odd-numbered pages first, then flip the pages and re-insert them, and print
> the even-numbered pages.
>
> --
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From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Fri Mar 14 08:47:46 2014
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2014 09:47:46 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] No Headphone Output
Message-ID: <53230882.5060805@torchlake.com>

Hi All,

I'm working with the Dell tech people to try to solve the problem, and 
I'm exploring the online discussions on the same topic, but I also want 
to ask this gang for help.

I have a new Dell Inspiron 15R, came with Windows 8 (64-bit) - since 
upgraded to Windows 8.1.

When I plug in headphones, nothing changes - the speakers continue to 
sound and no sound comes through the headphones.  The mixer does not 
show headphones, only speakers.  The Sound properties dialog does not 
show headphones, only speakers.  All sound tests show the speakers 
working well, and do not recognize headphones at all.

After a long online chat with a Dell tech, the decision was to replace 
the motherboard.  That was done Wednesday evening.  Upon completion of 
the replacement, the initial problem remained exactly the same.

I have done all the driver updating I could find, both through the My 
Dell Drivers support and from the manufacturer Realtek Semiconductor 
website.  Results continue to be exactly the same.

So far, the online suggestions all point to setting the headphones 
option in the Sound properties dialog to be the default.  My problem is 
that there is NO headphones option in the Sound properties dialog box - 
none at all.  I do have the "Show disabled devices" and "Show 
disconnected devices" check boxes ticked.   I have uninstalled and 
reinstalled several times to no avail.  The first time I uninstalled, 
when I rebooted the system it did claim that no sound device was 
installed.  The last time I uninstalled, when I rebooted the system the 
existing device had already been installed.

The sound card is called Realtek High Definition Audio.  I'm thinking 
the sound card is defective, or, if it's truly a motherboard problem, 
then the replacement motherboard has the same defect as the original 
mortherboard.

Any ideas about a solution?  Thanks.

TNF

-- 
Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
231-322-2787


From peter.brawley at earthlink.net  Fri Mar 14 09:01:41 2014
From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley)
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2014 09:01:41 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] No Headphone Output
In-Reply-To: <53230882.5060805@torchlake.com>
References: <53230882.5060805@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <53230BC5.2040406@earthlink.net>

On 2014-03-14 8:47 AM, Tina Norris Fields wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> I'm working with the Dell tech people to try to solve the problem, and 
> I'm exploring the online discussions on the same topic, but I also 
> want to ask this gang for help.
>
> I have a new Dell Inspiron 15R, came with Windows 8 (64-bit) - since 
> upgraded to Windows 8.1.
>
> When I plug in headphones, nothing changes - the speakers continue to 
> sound and no sound comes through the headphones.  The mixer does not 
> show headphones, only speakers.  The Sound properties dialog does not 
> show headphones, only speakers.  All sound tests show the speakers 
> working well, and do not recognize headphones at all.
>
> After a long online chat with a Dell tech, the decision was to replace 
> the motherboard.  That was done Wednesday evening.  Upon completion of 
> the replacement, the initial problem remained exactly the same.
>
> I have done all the driver updating I could find, both through the My 
> Dell Drivers support and from the manufacturer Realtek Semiconductor 
> website.  Results continue to be exactly the same.
>
> So far, the online suggestions all point to setting the headphones 
> option in the Sound properties dialog to be the default.  My problem 
> is that there is NO headphones option in the Sound properties dialog 
> box - none at all.  I do have the "Show disabled devices" and "Show 
> disconnected devices" check boxes ticked.   I have uninstalled and 
> reinstalled several times to no avail.  The first time I uninstalled, 
> when I rebooted the system it did claim that no sound device was 
> installed.  The last time I uninstalled, when I rebooted the system 
> the existing device had already been installed.
>
> The sound card is called Realtek High Definition Audio.  I'm thinking 
> the sound card is defective, or, if it's truly a motherboard problem, 
> then the replacement motherboard has the same defect as the original 
> mortherboard.
>
> Any ideas about a solution?  Thanks.

The headphone jack itself is ferkakta?

PB

>
> TNF
>


From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Fri Mar 14 09:11:44 2014
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2014 10:11:44 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] No Headphone Output
In-Reply-To: <53230BC5.2040406@earthlink.net>
References: <53230882.5060805@torchlake.com> <53230BC5.2040406@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <53230E20.6010702@torchlake.com>

Hi Peter,

Also a possibility.  Although, the card (if good), should still indicate 
the capability of headphone output, shouldn't it?

TNF

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
231-322-2787

On 3/14/2014 10:01 AM, Peter Brawley wrote:
>
> The headphone jack itself is ferkakta?
>
> PB
>


From carbonnb at gmail.com  Fri Mar 14 09:24:17 2014
From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2014 10:24:17 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] No Headphone Output
In-Reply-To: <53230E20.6010702@torchlake.com>
References: <53230882.5060805@torchlake.com> <53230BC5.2040406@earthlink.net>
	<53230E20.6010702@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <CAAZtbWH2fyd7jSXSwxn7k=yJ9hHeyS=xxTvUkFretdbUGza23w@mail.gmail.com>

Gonna ask the stupid obvious question.....

Is the headphone JACK physically connected to the sound
card/motherboard correctly?

On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 10:11 AM, Tina Norris Fields
<tinanfields at torchlake.com> wrote:
> Hi Peter,
>
> Also a possibility.  Although, the card (if good), should still indicate the
> capability of headphone output, shouldn't it?
>
> TNF
>
>
> Tina Norris Fields
> tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
> 231-322-2787
>
> On 3/14/2014 10:01 AM, Peter Brawley wrote:
>>
>>
>> The headphone jack itself is ferkakta?
>>
>> PB
>>
>
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-- 
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Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well
preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out,
shouting "What a great ride!"

From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Fri Mar 14 09:43:05 2014
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2014 10:43:05 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] No Headphone Output
In-Reply-To: <CAAZtbWH2fyd7jSXSwxn7k=yJ9hHeyS=xxTvUkFretdbUGza23w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <53230882.5060805@torchlake.com>
	<53230BC5.2040406@earthlink.net>	<53230E20.6010702@torchlake.com>
	<CAAZtbWH2fyd7jSXSwxn7k=yJ9hHeyS=xxTvUkFretdbUGza23w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <53231579.6000009@torchlake.com>

Hi Bryan,

Not a stupid question.  Don't know the answer.  I have a paid-up 
contract for onsite tech service until August 2015, which is why Dell 
sent me a tech to replace the motherboard.  As he was dis-assembling the 
unit, he noted that one of the memory chips was not properly seated, so 
I sense that he was paying attention.  Not wanting to void warranties or 
do anything that would terminate my support from Dell, I have not opened 
the box myself.

The palm rest assembly had a broken stanchion, so a new assembly has 
been ordered.  When that comes, I will certainly be armed with all my 
questions - such as whether the jack is properly connected.

TNF

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
231-322-2787

On 3/14/2014 10:24 AM, Bryan Carbonnell wrote:
> Gonna ask the stupid obvious question.....
>
> Is the headphone JACK physically connected to the sound
> card/motherboard correctly?
>
>


From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Fri Mar 14 10:06:39 2014
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2014 11:06:39 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: Unpaired words (e.g. words without opposites)
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1iV5Wm3sD0VKYMHDaxRxz1_JVFEqXN3B6FM3jPTtD-foA@mail.gmail.com>

I found this list after a very brief Google search, and immediately noticed
at least one missing; to wit, "inscrutable". In addition to the list (
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unpaired_word), certain words exist which
ostensibly do have opposites, very rarely used; an example is "uncouth";
and this one begs the question of how it ought be used: s/he is couth, or
s/he has couth.

Hey, it's Friday, so cut me and yourself some slack, and take a couple of
minutes' worth of break to see if you can add to the list. Post here as
well as editing the wiki entry.

In case this proves to be fun, I have another one for next OT Friday :)

-- 
Arthur

From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Fri Mar 14 10:22:11 2014
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2014 08:22:11 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: Unpaired words (e.g. words without opposites)
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1iV5Wm3sD0VKYMHDaxRxz1_JVFEqXN3B6FM3jPTtD-foA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1iV5Wm3sD0VKYMHDaxRxz1_JVFEqXN3B6FM3jPTtD-foA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <35FD7E791C17426DA38E04D5E79671FD@HAL9007>

Doesn't fit the topic well, but flammable and inflammable mean the same
thing. Their pair would be, I suppose, unflammable, which doesn't come up
often in conversation.  Fireproof is the usual, I guess.

R
 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Friday, March 14, 2014 8:07 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] OT: Unpaired words (e.g. words without opposites)

I found this list after a very brief Google search, and immediately noticed
at least one missing; to wit, "inscrutable". In addition to the list (
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unpaired_word), certain words exist which
ostensibly do have opposites, very rarely used; an example is "uncouth"; and
this one begs the question of how it ought be used: s/he is couth, or s/he
has couth.

Hey, it's Friday, so cut me and yourself some slack, and take a couple of
minutes' worth of break to see if you can add to the list. Post here as well
as editing the wiki entry.

In case this proves to be fun, I have another one for next OT Friday :)

--
Arthur
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Mar 14 10:28:25 2014
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2014 09:28:25 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] No Headphone Output
In-Reply-To: <53230882.5060805@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <1492029260.2692472.1394810905699.JavaMail.root@cds018>

Hi Tina:

Had a similar issue with a small Netbook a couple of years ago. It turned out to be a hardware issue and warranty covered it by replacing a few components in the computer...motherboard, sound board and connectors.

Note: If you bought the laptop via some charge cards (ie Visa), the warranty is doubled...in our case the one year warranty was extended to two years.

PS: Have found, in the past that Dell support is less than stellar. In one case, they recommended to a client extra hard drives for their Dell server RAID. It turned out the computer was not designed to accept these additional drives so a two hour job extended to most of the weekend...first attempting to strip the new drives and then trying to recover for the process...and that was a senior Dell tech. We discovered the issues via researching the Dell web site, then demanded compensation for our time and our upline company had to sue Dell to recover the fees.  

Jim 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tina Norris Fields" <tinanfields at torchlake.com>
To: "DatabaseAdvisors-Tech" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, 14 March, 2014 6:47:46 AM
Subject: [dba-Tech] No Headphone Output

Hi All,

I'm working with the Dell tech people to try to solve the problem, and 
I'm exploring the online discussions on the same topic, but I also want 
to ask this gang for help.

I have a new Dell Inspiron 15R, came with Windows 8 (64-bit) - since 
upgraded to Windows 8.1.

When I plug in headphones, nothing changes - the speakers continue to 
sound and no sound comes through the headphones.  The mixer does not 
show headphones, only speakers.  The Sound properties dialog does not 
show headphones, only speakers.  All sound tests show the speakers 
working well, and do not recognize headphones at all.

After a long online chat with a Dell tech, the decision was to replace 
the motherboard.  That was done Wednesday evening.  Upon completion of 
the replacement, the initial problem remained exactly the same.

I have done all the driver updating I could find, both through the My 
Dell Drivers support and from the manufacturer Realtek Semiconductor 
website.  Results continue to be exactly the same.

So far, the online suggestions all point to setting the headphones 
option in the Sound properties dialog to be the default.  My problem is 
that there is NO headphones option in the Sound properties dialog box - 
none at all.  I do have the "Show disabled devices" and "Show 
disconnected devices" check boxes ticked.   I have uninstalled and 
reinstalled several times to no avail.  The first time I uninstalled, 
when I rebooted the system it did claim that no sound device was 
installed.  The last time I uninstalled, when I rebooted the system the 
existing device had already been installed.

The sound card is called Realtek High Definition Audio.  I'm thinking 
the sound card is defective, or, if it's truly a motherboard problem, 
then the replacement motherboard has the same defect as the original 
mortherboard.

Any ideas about a solution?  Thanks.

TNF

-- 
Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
231-322-2787

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Mar 14 10:31:47 2014
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2014 09:31:47 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] No Headphone Output
In-Reply-To: <CAAZtbWH2fyd7jSXSwxn7k=yJ9hHeyS=xxTvUkFretdbUGza23w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1317947287.2694941.1394811107743.JavaMail.root@cds018>

Hi Bryan:

That would be outside Tina's area of responsibility as that issue would be inside the case?

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bryan Carbonnell" <carbonnb at gmail.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, 14 March, 2014 7:24:17 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] No Headphone Output

Gonna ask the stupid obvious question.....

Is the headphone JACK physically connected to the sound
card/motherboard correctly?

On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 10:11 AM, Tina Norris Fields
<tinanfields at torchlake.com> wrote:
> Hi Peter,
>
> Also a possibility.  Although, the card (if good), should still indicate the
> capability of headphone output, shouldn't it?
>
> TNF
>
>
> Tina Norris Fields
> tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
> 231-322-2787
>
> On 3/14/2014 10:01 AM, Peter Brawley wrote:
>>
>>
>> The headphone jack itself is ferkakta?
>>
>> PB
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com



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Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well
preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out,
shouting "What a great ride!"
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From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Fri Mar 14 11:08:17 2014
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2014 12:08:17 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] No Headphone Output
In-Reply-To: <1492029260.2692472.1394810905699.JavaMail.root@cds018>
References: <1492029260.2692472.1394810905699.JavaMail.root@cds018>
Message-ID: <53232971.3060806@torchlake.com>

Hi Jim,

I'll pay attention.  So far, my experience with Dell tech support has 
been excellent.  I stay very patient and focused, and that seems to 
help.  That's how I got through all the video and BIOS updates that had 
to happen in a specific sequence, way back when my Win XP update from 
Win ME (yuck!!!) suddenly resulted in monitor failure.  The tech guys 
spent nearly a week with me, a couple hours per day, working it out.  I 
ended up with a very stable XP installation on a box I used for a long 
time.  Thanks for the 'heads up' though.

TNF

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
231-322-2787

On 3/14/2014 11:28 AM, Jim Lawrence wrote:
> Hi Tina:
>
> Had a similar issue with a small Netbook a couple of years ago. It turned out to be a hardware issue and warranty covered it by replacing a few components in the computer...motherboard, sound board and connectors.
>
> Note: If you bought the laptop via some charge cards (ie Visa), the warranty is doubled...in our case the one year warranty was extended to two years.
>
> PS: Have found, in the past that Dell support is less than stellar. In one case, they recommended to a client extra hard drives for their Dell server RAID. It turned out the computer was not designed to accept these additional drives so a two hour job extended to most of the weekend...first attempting to strip the new drives and then trying to recover for the process...and that was a senior Dell tech. We discovered the issues via researching the Dell web site, then demanded compensation for our time and our upline company had to sue Dell to recover the fees.
>
> Jim
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tina Norris Fields" <tinanfields at torchlake.com>
> To: "DatabaseAdvisors-Tech" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Friday, 14 March, 2014 6:47:46 AM
> Subject: [dba-Tech] No Headphone Output
>
> Hi All,
>
> I'm working with the Dell tech people to try to solve the problem, and
> I'm exploring the online discussions on the same topic, but I also want
> to ask this gang for help.
>
> I have a new Dell Inspiron 15R, came with Windows 8 (64-bit) - since
> upgraded to Windows 8.1.
>
> When I plug in headphones, nothing changes - the speakers continue to
> sound and no sound comes through the headphones.  The mixer does not
> show headphones, only speakers.  The Sound properties dialog does not
> show headphones, only speakers.  All sound tests show the speakers
> working well, and do not recognize headphones at all.
>
> After a long online chat with a Dell tech, the decision was to replace
> the motherboard.  That was done Wednesday evening.  Upon completion of
> the replacement, the initial problem remained exactly the same.
>
> I have done all the driver updating I could find, both through the My
> Dell Drivers support and from the manufacturer Realtek Semiconductor
> website.  Results continue to be exactly the same.
>
> So far, the online suggestions all point to setting the headphones
> option in the Sound properties dialog to be the default.  My problem is
> that there is NO headphones option in the Sound properties dialog box -
> none at all.  I do have the "Show disabled devices" and "Show
> disconnected devices" check boxes ticked.   I have uninstalled and
> reinstalled several times to no avail.  The first time I uninstalled,
> when I rebooted the system it did claim that no sound device was
> installed.  The last time I uninstalled, when I rebooted the system the
> existing device had already been installed.
>
> The sound card is called Realtek High Definition Audio.  I'm thinking
> the sound card is defective, or, if it's truly a motherboard problem,
> then the replacement motherboard has the same defect as the original
> mortherboard.
>
> Any ideas about a solution?  Thanks.
>
> TNF
>


From peter.brawley at earthlink.net  Fri Mar 14 11:56:13 2014
From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley)
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2014 11:56:13 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] No Headphone Output
In-Reply-To: <53230E20.6010702@torchlake.com>
References: <53230882.5060805@torchlake.com> <53230BC5.2040406@earthlink.net>
	<53230E20.6010702@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <532334AD.8030801@earthlink.net>

On 2014-03-14 9:11 AM, Tina Norris Fields wrote:
> Hi Peter,
>
> Also a possibility.  Although, the card (if good), should still 
> indicate the capability of headphone output, shouldn't it?

Dunno, I had to return a tablet with a failed headphone jack, nothing 
else was wrong.

PB

------

>
> TNF
>
> Tina Norris Fields
> tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
> 231-322-2787
>
> On 3/14/2014 10:01 AM, Peter Brawley wrote:
>>
>> The headphone jack itself is ferkakta?
>>
>> PB
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>


From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Fri Mar 14 12:06:03 2014
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2014 13:06:03 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] No Headphone Output
In-Reply-To: <53230882.5060805@torchlake.com>
References: <53230882.5060805@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <532336FB.7000501@torchlake.com>

Hi again,

Okay, I got an email message from the tech supervising my case, asking 
me to test external speakers on the jack, and to send a picture of the 
headphone plug I am using.  So, I tried.  No joy with the external 
speaker, either.  Both the external speaker and the headphone are using 
3-ring stereo plugs.  The tech has come back to me, saying that I need a 
4-ring plug for this audio card. Hello, this is news.  I called my 
friends at Radio Shack to see if I could get a 4-ring plug - they 
answered that they didn't have anything in the shop with 4-rings.  The 
tech linked me to an article showing a picture of the kind of plug she 
said I need. Interestingly enough, the article is complaining that 
Windows 8.1 refused to recognize a 4-ring plug.  Oh dear, now things are 
not looking right to me.

Well, we'll see how things work out.

TNF

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
231-322-2787

On 3/14/2014 9:47 AM, Tina Norris Fields wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> I'm working with the Dell tech people to try to solve the problem, and 
> I'm exploring the online discussions on the same topic, but I also 
> want to ask this gang for help.
>
> I have a new Dell Inspiron 15R, came with Windows 8 (64-bit) - since 
> upgraded to Windows 8.1.
>
> When I plug in headphones, nothing changes - the speakers continue to 
> sound and no sound comes through the headphones.  The mixer does not 
> show headphones, only speakers.  The Sound properties dialog does not 
> show headphones, only speakers.  All sound tests show the speakers 
> working well, and do not recognize headphones at all.
>
> After a long online chat with a Dell tech, the decision was to replace 
> the motherboard.  That was done Wednesday evening.  Upon completion of 
> the replacement, the initial problem remained exactly the same.
>
> I have done all the driver updating I could find, both through the My 
> Dell Drivers support and from the manufacturer Realtek Semiconductor 
> website.  Results continue to be exactly the same.
>
> So far, the online suggestions all point to setting the headphones 
> option in the Sound properties dialog to be the default.  My problem 
> is that there is NO headphones option in the Sound properties dialog 
> box - none at all.  I do have the "Show disabled devices" and "Show 
> disconnected devices" check boxes ticked.   I have uninstalled and 
> reinstalled several times to no avail.  The first time I uninstalled, 
> when I rebooted the system it did claim that no sound device was 
> installed.  The last time I uninstalled, when I rebooted the system 
> the existing device had already been installed.
>
> The sound card is called Realtek High Definition Audio.  I'm thinking 
> the sound card is defective, or, if it's truly a motherboard problem, 
> then the replacement motherboard has the same defect as the original 
> mortherboard.
>
> Any ideas about a solution?  Thanks.
>
> TNF
>


From carbonnb at gmail.com  Fri Mar 14 12:20:05 2014
From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2014 13:20:05 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] No Headphone Output
In-Reply-To: <532336FB.7000501@torchlake.com>
References: <53230882.5060805@torchlake.com> <532336FB.7000501@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <CAAZtbWG7Rs=etK9xD9s_4iBgkc9SZHqOUdrvRY51+mwjyfnP_w@mail.gmail.com>

If you have a smart phone, you may just have a set with 4-rings.

But the 4th ring is usually for the microphone, and the jacks are
designed to "ignore" the mic connection if it just a pair of
headphones with no mic.

B

On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 1:06 PM, Tina Norris Fields
<tinanfields at torchlake.com> wrote:
> Hi again,
>
> Okay, I got an email message from the tech supervising my case, asking me to
> test external speakers on the jack, and to send a picture of the headphone
> plug I am using.  So, I tried.  No joy with the external speaker, either.
> Both the external speaker and the headphone are using 3-ring stereo plugs.
> The tech has come back to me, saying that I need a 4-ring plug for this
> audio card. Hello, this is news.  I called my friends at Radio Shack to see
> if I could get a 4-ring plug - they answered that they didn't have anything
> in the shop with 4-rings.  The tech linked me to an article showing a
> picture of the kind of plug she said I need. Interestingly enough, the
> article is complaining that Windows 8.1 refused to recognize a 4-ring plug.
> Oh dear, now things are not looking right to me.
>
> Well, we'll see how things work out.
>
> TNF
>
>
> Tina Norris Fields
> tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
> 231-322-2787
>
> On 3/14/2014 9:47 AM, Tina Norris Fields wrote:
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> I'm working with the Dell tech people to try to solve the problem, and I'm
>> exploring the online discussions on the same topic, but I also want to ask
>> this gang for help.
>>
>> I have a new Dell Inspiron 15R, came with Windows 8 (64-bit) - since
>> upgraded to Windows 8.1.
>>
>> When I plug in headphones, nothing changes - the speakers continue to
>> sound and no sound comes through the headphones.  The mixer does not show
>> headphones, only speakers.  The Sound properties dialog does not show
>> headphones, only speakers.  All sound tests show the speakers working well,
>> and do not recognize headphones at all.
>>
>> After a long online chat with a Dell tech, the decision was to replace the
>> motherboard.  That was done Wednesday evening.  Upon completion of the
>> replacement, the initial problem remained exactly the same.
>>
>> I have done all the driver updating I could find, both through the My Dell
>> Drivers support and from the manufacturer Realtek Semiconductor website.
>> Results continue to be exactly the same.
>>
>> So far, the online suggestions all point to setting the headphones option
>> in the Sound properties dialog to be the default.  My problem is that there
>> is NO headphones option in the Sound properties dialog box - none at all.  I
>> do have the "Show disabled devices" and "Show disconnected devices" check
>> boxes ticked.   I have uninstalled and reinstalled several times to no
>> avail.  The first time I uninstalled, when I rebooted the system it did
>> claim that no sound device was installed.  The last time I uninstalled, when
>> I rebooted the system the existing device had already been installed.
>>
>> The sound card is called Realtek High Definition Audio.  I'm thinking the
>> sound card is defective, or, if it's truly a motherboard problem, then the
>> replacement motherboard has the same defect as the original mortherboard.
>>
>> Any ideas about a solution?  Thanks.
>>
>> TNF
>>
>
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Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well
preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out,
shouting "What a great ride!"

From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Mar 14 12:34:16 2014
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2014 11:34:16 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] No Headphone Output
In-Reply-To: <53232971.3060806@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <118993456.2814449.1394818456364.JavaMail.root@cds018>

Hi Tina:

It sounds like your tech-guy is excellent. 

There was an attempt, about three years ago by Dell to outsource their computer support. The concept was that the tech would go on site and repair or fix the hardware or software problems in an hour or less. The tech would be paid only for one hour support...IMO, no one comes onsite and fixes a complex problem in an hour or less. At the time, in the training conference, I was invited to attend, I told them that the whole concept was flawed and that the Support Company trying to impose this infrastructure would be out of business in a couple of years. At the time I was roundly criticized for being negative and I must admit I was wrong...the support company filed for bankruptcy, in around one year. ;-)

I do not hold this against Dell and I am glad to hear that they have taken a more serious and reasonable approach to supporting their clients.

Good luck
Jim    

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tina Norris Fields" <tinanfields at torchlake.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, 14 March, 2014 9:08:17 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] No Headphone Output

Hi Jim,

I'll pay attention.  So far, my experience with Dell tech support has 
been excellent.  I stay very patient and focused, and that seems to 
help.  That's how I got through all the video and BIOS updates that had 
to happen in a specific sequence, way back when my Win XP update from 
Win ME (yuck!!!) suddenly resulted in monitor failure.  The tech guys 
spent nearly a week with me, a couple hours per day, working it out.  I 
ended up with a very stable XP installation on a box I used for a long 
time.  Thanks for the 'heads up' though.

TNF

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
231-322-2787

On 3/14/2014 11:28 AM, Jim Lawrence wrote:
> Hi Tina:
>
> Had a similar issue with a small Netbook a couple of years ago. It turned out to be a hardware issue and warranty covered it by replacing a few components in the computer...motherboard, sound board and connectors.
>
> Note: If you bought the laptop via some charge cards (ie Visa), the warranty is doubled...in our case the one year warranty was extended to two years.
>
> PS: Have found, in the past that Dell support is less than stellar. In one case, they recommended to a client extra hard drives for their Dell server RAID. It turned out the computer was not designed to accept these additional drives so a two hour job extended to most of the weekend...first attempting to strip the new drives and then trying to recover for the process...and that was a senior Dell tech. We discovered the issues via researching the Dell web site, then demanded compensation for our time and our upline company had to sue Dell to recover the fees.
>
> Jim
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tina Norris Fields" <tinanfields at torchlake.com>
> To: "DatabaseAdvisors-Tech" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Friday, 14 March, 2014 6:47:46 AM
> Subject: [dba-Tech] No Headphone Output
>
> Hi All,
>
> I'm working with the Dell tech people to try to solve the problem, and
> I'm exploring the online discussions on the same topic, but I also want
> to ask this gang for help.
>
> I have a new Dell Inspiron 15R, came with Windows 8 (64-bit) - since
> upgraded to Windows 8.1.
>
> When I plug in headphones, nothing changes - the speakers continue to
> sound and no sound comes through the headphones.  The mixer does not
> show headphones, only speakers.  The Sound properties dialog does not
> show headphones, only speakers.  All sound tests show the speakers
> working well, and do not recognize headphones at all.
>
> After a long online chat with a Dell tech, the decision was to replace
> the motherboard.  That was done Wednesday evening.  Upon completion of
> the replacement, the initial problem remained exactly the same.
>
> I have done all the driver updating I could find, both through the My
> Dell Drivers support and from the manufacturer Realtek Semiconductor
> website.  Results continue to be exactly the same.
>
> So far, the online suggestions all point to setting the headphones
> option in the Sound properties dialog to be the default.  My problem is
> that there is NO headphones option in the Sound properties dialog box -
> none at all.  I do have the "Show disabled devices" and "Show
> disconnected devices" check boxes ticked.   I have uninstalled and
> reinstalled several times to no avail.  The first time I uninstalled,
> when I rebooted the system it did claim that no sound device was
> installed.  The last time I uninstalled, when I rebooted the system the
> existing device had already been installed.
>
> The sound card is called Realtek High Definition Audio.  I'm thinking
> the sound card is defective, or, if it's truly a motherboard problem,
> then the replacement motherboard has the same defect as the original
> mortherboard.
>
> Any ideas about a solution?  Thanks.
>
> TNF
>

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Mar 14 13:00:53 2014
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2014 12:00:53 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] No Headphone Output
In-Reply-To: <532336FB.7000501@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <155726963.2836574.1394820053772.JavaMail.root@cds018>

Hi Tina:

That does sound very strange but who knows...

Had a problem last week with a earphone jack that broke off inside the connector. The problem was not that it broke but that the hole was so small no tools could be found to remove it. Even a trusted computer shop figured it would require the laptop to be taken apart. A friend decided to try using some dental tools, he had just been given and managed to pull out most of the jack and pushed the rest inside and we removed the second piece through memory access panel on the laptop bottom. (It was the standard three pole jack...)

When you get the earphones with the four pole jack, and it works, maybe you can explain what are the difference and why it is needed?
 
Jim 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tina Norris Fields" <tinanfields at torchlake.com>
To: "DatabaseAdvisors-Tech" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, 14 March, 2014 10:06:03 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] No Headphone Output

Hi again,

Okay, I got an email message from the tech supervising my case, asking 
me to test external speakers on the jack, and to send a picture of the 
headphone plug I am using.  So, I tried.  No joy with the external 
speaker, either.  Both the external speaker and the headphone are using 
3-ring stereo plugs.  The tech has come back to me, saying that I need a 
4-ring plug for this audio card. Hello, this is news.  I called my 
friends at Radio Shack to see if I could get a 4-ring plug - they 
answered that they didn't have anything in the shop with 4-rings.  The 
tech linked me to an article showing a picture of the kind of plug she 
said I need. Interestingly enough, the article is complaining that 
Windows 8.1 refused to recognize a 4-ring plug.  Oh dear, now things are 
not looking right to me.

Well, we'll see how things work out.

TNF

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
231-322-2787

On 3/14/2014 9:47 AM, Tina Norris Fields wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> I'm working with the Dell tech people to try to solve the problem, and 
> I'm exploring the online discussions on the same topic, but I also 
> want to ask this gang for help.
>
> I have a new Dell Inspiron 15R, came with Windows 8 (64-bit) - since 
> upgraded to Windows 8.1.
>
> When I plug in headphones, nothing changes - the speakers continue to 
> sound and no sound comes through the headphones.  The mixer does not 
> show headphones, only speakers.  The Sound properties dialog does not 
> show headphones, only speakers.  All sound tests show the speakers 
> working well, and do not recognize headphones at all.
>
> After a long online chat with a Dell tech, the decision was to replace 
> the motherboard.  That was done Wednesday evening.  Upon completion of 
> the replacement, the initial problem remained exactly the same.
>
> I have done all the driver updating I could find, both through the My 
> Dell Drivers support and from the manufacturer Realtek Semiconductor 
> website.  Results continue to be exactly the same.
>
> So far, the online suggestions all point to setting the headphones 
> option in the Sound properties dialog to be the default.  My problem 
> is that there is NO headphones option in the Sound properties dialog 
> box - none at all.  I do have the "Show disabled devices" and "Show 
> disconnected devices" check boxes ticked.   I have uninstalled and 
> reinstalled several times to no avail.  The first time I uninstalled, 
> when I rebooted the system it did claim that no sound device was 
> installed.  The last time I uninstalled, when I rebooted the system 
> the existing device had already been installed.
>
> The sound card is called Realtek High Definition Audio.  I'm thinking 
> the sound card is defective, or, if it's truly a motherboard problem, 
> then the replacement motherboard has the same defect as the original 
> mortherboard.
>
> Any ideas about a solution?  Thanks.
>
> TNF
>

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Mar 14 13:09:28 2014
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2014 12:09:28 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] No Headphone Output
In-Reply-To: <CAAZtbWG7Rs=etK9xD9s_4iBgkc9SZHqOUdrvRY51+mwjyfnP_w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <454018243.2843763.1394820568210.JavaMail.root@cds018>

Hi Bryan:

Correct me if I am wrong but isn't the fourth ring (channel), on a Smartphone, earphone jack, used as an radio aerial...not something you would expect as a requirement on a laptop?

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bryan Carbonnell" <carbonnb at gmail.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, 14 March, 2014 10:20:05 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] No Headphone Output

If you have a smart phone, you may just have a set with 4-rings.

But the 4th ring is usually for the microphone, and the jacks are
designed to "ignore" the mic connection if it just a pair of
headphones with no mic.

B

On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 1:06 PM, Tina Norris Fields
<tinanfields at torchlake.com> wrote:
> Hi again,
>
> Okay, I got an email message from the tech supervising my case, asking me to
> test external speakers on the jack, and to send a picture of the headphone
> plug I am using.  So, I tried.  No joy with the external speaker, either.
> Both the external speaker and the headphone are using 3-ring stereo plugs.
> The tech has come back to me, saying that I need a 4-ring plug for this
> audio card. Hello, this is news.  I called my friends at Radio Shack to see
> if I could get a 4-ring plug - they answered that they didn't have anything
> in the shop with 4-rings.  The tech linked me to an article showing a
> picture of the kind of plug she said I need. Interestingly enough, the
> article is complaining that Windows 8.1 refused to recognize a 4-ring plug.
> Oh dear, now things are not looking right to me.
>
> Well, we'll see how things work out.
>
> TNF
>
>
> Tina Norris Fields
> tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
> 231-322-2787
>
> On 3/14/2014 9:47 AM, Tina Norris Fields wrote:
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> I'm working with the Dell tech people to try to solve the problem, and I'm
>> exploring the online discussions on the same topic, but I also want to ask
>> this gang for help.
>>
>> I have a new Dell Inspiron 15R, came with Windows 8 (64-bit) - since
>> upgraded to Windows 8.1.
>>
>> When I plug in headphones, nothing changes - the speakers continue to
>> sound and no sound comes through the headphones.  The mixer does not show
>> headphones, only speakers.  The Sound properties dialog does not show
>> headphones, only speakers.  All sound tests show the speakers working well,
>> and do not recognize headphones at all.
>>
>> After a long online chat with a Dell tech, the decision was to replace the
>> motherboard.  That was done Wednesday evening.  Upon completion of the
>> replacement, the initial problem remained exactly the same.
>>
>> I have done all the driver updating I could find, both through the My Dell
>> Drivers support and from the manufacturer Realtek Semiconductor website.
>> Results continue to be exactly the same.
>>
>> So far, the online suggestions all point to setting the headphones option
>> in the Sound properties dialog to be the default.  My problem is that there
>> is NO headphones option in the Sound properties dialog box - none at all.  I
>> do have the "Show disabled devices" and "Show disconnected devices" check
>> boxes ticked.   I have uninstalled and reinstalled several times to no
>> avail.  The first time I uninstalled, when I rebooted the system it did
>> claim that no sound device was installed.  The last time I uninstalled, when
>> I rebooted the system the existing device had already been installed.
>>
>> The sound card is called Realtek High Definition Audio.  I'm thinking the
>> sound card is defective, or, if it's truly a motherboard problem, then the
>> replacement motherboard has the same defect as the original mortherboard.
>>
>> Any ideas about a solution?  Thanks.
>>
>> TNF
>>
>
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preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out,
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From carbonnb at gmail.com  Fri Mar 14 13:25:15 2014
From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2014 14:25:15 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] No Headphone Output
In-Reply-To: <454018243.2843763.1394820568210.JavaMail.root@cds018>
References: <CAAZtbWG7Rs=etK9xD9s_4iBgkc9SZHqOUdrvRY51+mwjyfnP_w@mail.gmail.com>
	<454018243.2843763.1394820568210.JavaMail.root@cds018>
Message-ID: <CAAZtbWF=B0Ctw8KYaHedY7H-SEWL46g_8RKU-j1bUxpsekk=Yw@mail.gmail.com>

Not that I'm aware of Jim.

If you look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phone_connector_(audio)#Mobile_phones
the typical TRRS (4-ring) connector is stereo audio (2), Mic(1) and
Ground(1) in various configurations.

On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 2:09 PM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
> Hi Bryan:
>
> Correct me if I am wrong but isn't the fourth ring (channel), on a Smartphone, earphone jack, used as an radio aerial...not something you would expect as a requirement on a laptop?
>
> Jim
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bryan Carbonnell" <carbonnb at gmail.com>
> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Friday, 14 March, 2014 10:20:05 AM
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] No Headphone Output
>
> If you have a smart phone, you may just have a set with 4-rings.
>
> But the 4th ring is usually for the microphone, and the jacks are
> designed to "ignore" the mic connection if it just a pair of
> headphones with no mic.
>
> B
>
> On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 1:06 PM, Tina Norris Fields
> <tinanfields at torchlake.com> wrote:
>> Hi again,
>>
>> Okay, I got an email message from the tech supervising my case, asking me to
>> test external speakers on the jack, and to send a picture of the headphone
>> plug I am using.  So, I tried.  No joy with the external speaker, either.
>> Both the external speaker and the headphone are using 3-ring stereo plugs.
>> The tech has come back to me, saying that I need a 4-ring plug for this
>> audio card. Hello, this is news.  I called my friends at Radio Shack to see
>> if I could get a 4-ring plug - they answered that they didn't have anything
>> in the shop with 4-rings.  The tech linked me to an article showing a
>> picture of the kind of plug she said I need. Interestingly enough, the
>> article is complaining that Windows 8.1 refused to recognize a 4-ring plug.
>> Oh dear, now things are not looking right to me.
>>
>> Well, we'll see how things work out.
>>
>> TNF
>>
>>
>> Tina Norris Fields
>> tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
>> 231-322-2787
>>
>> On 3/14/2014 9:47 AM, Tina Norris Fields wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> I'm working with the Dell tech people to try to solve the problem, and I'm
>>> exploring the online discussions on the same topic, but I also want to ask
>>> this gang for help.
>>>
>>> I have a new Dell Inspiron 15R, came with Windows 8 (64-bit) - since
>>> upgraded to Windows 8.1.
>>>
>>> When I plug in headphones, nothing changes - the speakers continue to
>>> sound and no sound comes through the headphones.  The mixer does not show
>>> headphones, only speakers.  The Sound properties dialog does not show
>>> headphones, only speakers.  All sound tests show the speakers working well,
>>> and do not recognize headphones at all.
>>>
>>> After a long online chat with a Dell tech, the decision was to replace the
>>> motherboard.  That was done Wednesday evening.  Upon completion of the
>>> replacement, the initial problem remained exactly the same.
>>>
>>> I have done all the driver updating I could find, both through the My Dell
>>> Drivers support and from the manufacturer Realtek Semiconductor website.
>>> Results continue to be exactly the same.
>>>
>>> So far, the online suggestions all point to setting the headphones option
>>> in the Sound properties dialog to be the default.  My problem is that there
>>> is NO headphones option in the Sound properties dialog box - none at all.  I
>>> do have the "Show disabled devices" and "Show disconnected devices" check
>>> boxes ticked.   I have uninstalled and reinstalled several times to no
>>> avail.  The first time I uninstalled, when I rebooted the system it did
>>> claim that no sound device was installed.  The last time I uninstalled, when
>>> I rebooted the system the existing device had already been installed.
>>>
>>> The sound card is called Realtek High Definition Audio.  I'm thinking the
>>> sound card is defective, or, if it's truly a motherboard problem, then the
>>> replacement motherboard has the same defect as the original mortherboard.
>>>
>>> Any ideas about a solution?  Thanks.
>>>
>>> TNF
>>>
>>
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>
>
>
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> preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out,
> shouting "What a great ride!"
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preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out,
shouting "What a great ride!"

From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Fri Mar 14 14:08:36 2014
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2014 12:08:36 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] No Headphone Output
In-Reply-To: <CAAZtbWG7Rs=etK9xD9s_4iBgkc9SZHqOUdrvRY51+mwjyfnP_w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <53230882.5060805@torchlake.com> <532336FB.7000501@torchlake.com>
	<CAAZtbWG7Rs=etK9xD9s_4iBgkc9SZHqOUdrvRY51+mwjyfnP_w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <512F95C7E87842779084CD3E3D9D1817@HAL9007>

I think that tech just blew her off - marked another case as complete, and
went on to not solve the next problem.  When faced with this I always ask
for a supervisor.

R
 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bryan Carbonnell
Sent: Friday, March 14, 2014 10:20 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] No Headphone Output

If you have a smart phone, you may just have a set with 4-rings.

But the 4th ring is usually for the microphone, and the jacks are designed
to "ignore" the mic connection if it just a pair of headphones with no mic.

B

On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 1:06 PM, Tina Norris Fields
<tinanfields at torchlake.com> wrote:
> Hi again,
>
> Okay, I got an email message from the tech supervising my case, asking 
> me to test external speakers on the jack, and to send a picture of the 
> headphone plug I am using.  So, I tried.  No joy with the external
speaker, either.
> Both the external speaker and the headphone are using 3-ring stereo plugs.
> The tech has come back to me, saying that I need a 4-ring plug for 
> this audio card. Hello, this is news.  I called my friends at Radio 
> Shack to see if I could get a 4-ring plug - they answered that they 
> didn't have anything in the shop with 4-rings.  The tech linked me to 
> an article showing a picture of the kind of plug she said I need. 
> Interestingly enough, the article is complaining that Windows 8.1 refused
to recognize a 4-ring plug.
> Oh dear, now things are not looking right to me.
>
> Well, we'll see how things work out.
>
> TNF
>
>
> Tina Norris Fields
> tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
> 231-322-2787
>
> On 3/14/2014 9:47 AM, Tina Norris Fields wrote:
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> I'm working with the Dell tech people to try to solve the problem, 
>> and I'm exploring the online discussions on the same topic, but I 
>> also want to ask this gang for help.
>>
>> I have a new Dell Inspiron 15R, came with Windows 8 (64-bit) - since 
>> upgraded to Windows 8.1.
>>
>> When I plug in headphones, nothing changes - the speakers continue to 
>> sound and no sound comes through the headphones.  The mixer does not 
>> show headphones, only speakers.  The Sound properties dialog does not 
>> show headphones, only speakers.  All sound tests show the speakers 
>> working well, and do not recognize headphones at all.
>>
>> After a long online chat with a Dell tech, the decision was to 
>> replace the motherboard.  That was done Wednesday evening.  Upon 
>> completion of the replacement, the initial problem remained exactly the
same.
>>
>> I have done all the driver updating I could find, both through the My 
>> Dell Drivers support and from the manufacturer Realtek Semiconductor
website.
>> Results continue to be exactly the same.
>>
>> So far, the online suggestions all point to setting the headphones 
>> option in the Sound properties dialog to be the default.  My problem 
>> is that there is NO headphones option in the Sound properties dialog 
>> box - none at all.  I do have the "Show disabled devices" and "Show
disconnected devices" check
>> boxes ticked.   I have uninstalled and reinstalled several times to no
>> avail.  The first time I uninstalled, when I rebooted the system it 
>> did claim that no sound device was installed.  The last time I 
>> uninstalled, when I rebooted the system the existing device had already
been installed.
>>
>> The sound card is called Realtek High Definition Audio.  I'm thinking 
>> the sound card is defective, or, if it's truly a motherboard problem, 
>> then the replacement motherboard has the same defect as the original
mortherboard.
>>
>> Any ideas about a solution?  Thanks.
>>
>> TNF
>>
>
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From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Fri Mar 14 15:02:11 2014
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2014 16:02:11 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] No Headphone Output
In-Reply-To: <532336FB.7000501@torchlake.com>
References: <53230882.5060805@torchlake.com> <532336FB.7000501@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <53236043.4010706@torchlake.com>

Here's my update:
I contacted both Radio Shack and Best Buy in Traverse City, and learned 
that neither one has anything at all in-house with a 4-pole plug or 
jack.  I found an adapter 3-pole male to 4-pole male on eBay and will 
have that in hand in another week or so. Meantime, I went into the Dell 
Community FAQ Laptop Audio forum and found this about the new combo jacks:

http://en.community.dell.com/support-forums/laptop/f/3517/t/19345854.aspx#six

summary:
====
Dell is now putting "combo" jacks in many of the laptop models. A combo 
jack combines the function of a mic jack and a headphone jack into a 
single jack socket. Here is what you can and cannot use with a combo jack.
 > You can use a smart phone type of headset.
 > You can also use conventional headphones that have a 3.5mm 3 segment 
plug (a TRS plug). A 3 segmented plug looks like this: (followed by a 
picture just like mine)

 > You cannot use the combo jack for stereo line-in recording. It only 
is capable of mono input.

 > You cannot use a conventional computer mic that has a 3.5mm TRS (3 
segmented) plug. You might be able to use a conventional mic with an 
adapter cable.
====

So, according to the Dell Community FAQ, my 3-pole headphone plug should 
work just fine in the 4-pole audio jack.  I have sent this very same 
information to the tech handling my case.  I'm waiting to see what her 
response will be to my findings.

TNF

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
231-322-2787

On 3/14/2014 1:06 PM, Tina Norris Fields wrote:
> Hi again,
>
> Okay, I got an email message from the tech supervising my case, asking 
> me to test external speakers on the jack, and to send a picture of the 
> headphone plug I am using.  So, I tried.  No joy with the external 
> speaker, either.  Both the external speaker and the headphone are 
> using 3-ring stereo plugs.  The tech has come back to me, saying that 
> I need a 4-ring plug for this audio card. Hello, this is news.  I 
> called my friends at Radio Shack to see if I could get a 4-ring plug - 
> they answered that they didn't have anything in the shop with 
> 4-rings.  The tech linked me to an article showing a picture of the 
> kind of plug she said I need. Interestingly enough, the article is 
> complaining that Windows 8.1 refused to recognize a 4-ring plug.  Oh 
> dear, now things are not looking right to me.
>
> Well, we'll see how things work out.
>
> TNF
>
> Tina Norris Fields
> tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
> 231-322-2787
>
> On 3/14/2014 9:47 AM, Tina Norris Fields wrote:
>> Hi All,
>>
>> I'm working with the Dell tech people to try to solve the problem, 
>> and I'm exploring the online discussions on the same topic, but I 
>> also want to ask this gang for help.
>>
>> I have a new Dell Inspiron 15R, came with Windows 8 (64-bit) - since 
>> upgraded to Windows 8.1.
>>
>> When I plug in headphones, nothing changes - the speakers continue to 
>> sound and no sound comes through the headphones. The mixer does not 
>> show headphones, only speakers.  The Sound properties dialog does not 
>> show headphones, only speakers.  All sound tests show the speakers 
>> working well, and do not recognize headphones at all.
>>
>> After a long online chat with a Dell tech, the decision was to 
>> replace the motherboard.  That was done Wednesday evening.  Upon 
>> completion of the replacement, the initial problem remained exactly 
>> the same.
>>
>> I have done all the driver updating I could find, both through the My 
>> Dell Drivers support and from the manufacturer Realtek Semiconductor 
>> website.  Results continue to be exactly the same.
>>
>> So far, the online suggestions all point to setting the headphones 
>> option in the Sound properties dialog to be the default.  My problem 
>> is that there is NO headphones option in the Sound properties dialog 
>> box - none at all.  I do have the "Show disabled devices" and "Show 
>> disconnected devices" check boxes ticked.   I have uninstalled and 
>> reinstalled several times to no avail.  The first time I uninstalled, 
>> when I rebooted the system it did claim that no sound device was 
>> installed.  The last time I uninstalled, when I rebooted the system 
>> the existing device had already been installed.
>>
>> The sound card is called Realtek High Definition Audio.  I'm thinking 
>> the sound card is defective, or, if it's truly a motherboard problem, 
>> then the replacement motherboard has the same defect as the original 
>> mortherboard.
>>
>> Any ideas about a solution?  Thanks.
>>
>> TNF
>>
>
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> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Mar 14 21:22:14 2014
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2014 20:22:14 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] No Headphone Output
In-Reply-To: <53236043.4010706@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <183044307.3144580.1394850134364.JavaMail.root@cds018>

Hi Tina:

The plot thickens...

Bryan stated that a four pole plug would be if a microphone was built into the single jack. If this was the case your documentation on the product should clearly state that and it would be unlikely that your laptop would have an additional microphone jack. Is this the case? 

What was you laptop model again? I would think that just checking the accessories associated with the listing of your product on the Dell website should give you a clue.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tina Norris Fields" <tinanfields at torchlake.com>
To: "DatabaseAdvisors-Tech" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, 14 March, 2014 1:02:11 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] No Headphone Output

Here's my update:
I contacted both Radio Shack and Best Buy in Traverse City, and learned 
that neither one has anything at all in-house with a 4-pole plug or 
jack.  I found an adapter 3-pole male to 4-pole male on eBay and will 
have that in hand in another week or so. Meantime, I went into the Dell 
Community FAQ Laptop Audio forum and found this about the new combo jacks:

http://en.community.dell.com/support-forums/laptop/f/3517/t/19345854.aspx#six

summary:
====
Dell is now putting "combo" jacks in many of the laptop models. A combo 
jack combines the function of a mic jack and a headphone jack into a 
single jack socket. Here is what you can and cannot use with a combo jack.
 > You can use a smart phone type of headset.
 > You can also use conventional headphones that have a 3.5mm 3 segment 
plug (a TRS plug). A 3 segmented plug looks like this: (followed by a 
picture just like mine)

 > You cannot use the combo jack for stereo line-in recording. It only 
is capable of mono input.

 > You cannot use a conventional computer mic that has a 3.5mm TRS (3 
segmented) plug. You might be able to use a conventional mic with an 
adapter cable.
====

So, according to the Dell Community FAQ, my 3-pole headphone plug should 
work just fine in the 4-pole audio jack.  I have sent this very same 
information to the tech handling my case.  I'm waiting to see what her 
response will be to my findings.

TNF

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
231-322-2787

On 3/14/2014 1:06 PM, Tina Norris Fields wrote:
> Hi again,
>
> Okay, I got an email message from the tech supervising my case, asking 
> me to test external speakers on the jack, and to send a picture of the 
> headphone plug I am using.  So, I tried.  No joy with the external 
> speaker, either.  Both the external speaker and the headphone are 
> using 3-ring stereo plugs.  The tech has come back to me, saying that 
> I need a 4-ring plug for this audio card. Hello, this is news.  I 
> called my friends at Radio Shack to see if I could get a 4-ring plug - 
> they answered that they didn't have anything in the shop with 
> 4-rings.  The tech linked me to an article showing a picture of the 
> kind of plug she said I need. Interestingly enough, the article is 
> complaining that Windows 8.1 refused to recognize a 4-ring plug.  Oh 
> dear, now things are not looking right to me.
>
> Well, we'll see how things work out.
>
> TNF
>
> Tina Norris Fields
> tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
> 231-322-2787
>
> On 3/14/2014 9:47 AM, Tina Norris Fields wrote:
>> Hi All,
>>
>> I'm working with the Dell tech people to try to solve the problem, 
>> and I'm exploring the online discussions on the same topic, but I 
>> also want to ask this gang for help.
>>
>> I have a new Dell Inspiron 15R, came with Windows 8 (64-bit) - since 
>> upgraded to Windows 8.1.
>>
>> When I plug in headphones, nothing changes - the speakers continue to 
>> sound and no sound comes through the headphones. The mixer does not 
>> show headphones, only speakers.  The Sound properties dialog does not 
>> show headphones, only speakers.  All sound tests show the speakers 
>> working well, and do not recognize headphones at all.
>>
>> After a long online chat with a Dell tech, the decision was to 
>> replace the motherboard.  That was done Wednesday evening.  Upon 
>> completion of the replacement, the initial problem remained exactly 
>> the same.
>>
>> I have done all the driver updating I could find, both through the My 
>> Dell Drivers support and from the manufacturer Realtek Semiconductor 
>> website.  Results continue to be exactly the same.
>>
>> So far, the online suggestions all point to setting the headphones 
>> option in the Sound properties dialog to be the default.  My problem 
>> is that there is NO headphones option in the Sound properties dialog 
>> box - none at all.  I do have the "Show disabled devices" and "Show 
>> disconnected devices" check boxes ticked.   I have uninstalled and 
>> reinstalled several times to no avail.  The first time I uninstalled, 
>> when I rebooted the system it did claim that no sound device was 
>> installed.  The last time I uninstalled, when I rebooted the system 
>> the existing device had already been installed.
>>
>> The sound card is called Realtek High Definition Audio.  I'm thinking 
>> the sound card is defective, or, if it's truly a motherboard problem, 
>> then the replacement motherboard has the same defect as the original 
>> mortherboard.
>>
>> Any ideas about a solution?  Thanks.
>>
>> TNF
>>
>
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Mar 14 21:31:26 2014
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2014 20:31:26 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] No Headphone Output
In-Reply-To: <CAAZtbWF=B0Ctw8KYaHedY7H-SEWL46g_8RKU-j1bUxpsekk=Yw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1239677054.3148851.1394850686290.JavaMail.root@cds018>

Hi Bryan:

You may very well be on to something. I have not played with a laptop with that configuration though it does make sense...many times I have seen people with earphones that have a microphone attached as a single unit, generally people working the phones like office receptionists...just never thought to check the jack. ;-)

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bryan Carbonnell" <carbonnb at gmail.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, 14 March, 2014 11:25:15 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] No Headphone Output

Not that I'm aware of Jim.

If you look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phone_connector_(audio)#Mobile_phones
the typical TRRS (4-ring) connector is stereo audio (2), Mic(1) and
Ground(1) in various configurations.

On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 2:09 PM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
> Hi Bryan:
>
> Correct me if I am wrong but isn't the fourth ring (channel), on a Smartphone, earphone jack, used as an radio aerial...not something you would expect as a requirement on a laptop?
>
> Jim
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bryan Carbonnell" <carbonnb at gmail.com>
> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Friday, 14 March, 2014 10:20:05 AM
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] No Headphone Output
>
> If you have a smart phone, you may just have a set with 4-rings.
>
> But the 4th ring is usually for the microphone, and the jacks are
> designed to "ignore" the mic connection if it just a pair of
> headphones with no mic.
>
> B
>
> On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 1:06 PM, Tina Norris Fields
> <tinanfields at torchlake.com> wrote:
>> Hi again,
>>
>> Okay, I got an email message from the tech supervising my case, asking me to
>> test external speakers on the jack, and to send a picture of the headphone
>> plug I am using.  So, I tried.  No joy with the external speaker, either.
>> Both the external speaker and the headphone are using 3-ring stereo plugs.
>> The tech has come back to me, saying that I need a 4-ring plug for this
>> audio card. Hello, this is news.  I called my friends at Radio Shack to see
>> if I could get a 4-ring plug - they answered that they didn't have anything
>> in the shop with 4-rings.  The tech linked me to an article showing a
>> picture of the kind of plug she said I need. Interestingly enough, the
>> article is complaining that Windows 8.1 refused to recognize a 4-ring plug.
>> Oh dear, now things are not looking right to me.
>>
>> Well, we'll see how things work out.
>>
>> TNF
>>
>>
>> Tina Norris Fields
>> tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
>> 231-322-2787
>>
>> On 3/14/2014 9:47 AM, Tina Norris Fields wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> I'm working with the Dell tech people to try to solve the problem, and I'm
>>> exploring the online discussions on the same topic, but I also want to ask
>>> this gang for help.
>>>
>>> I have a new Dell Inspiron 15R, came with Windows 8 (64-bit) - since
>>> upgraded to Windows 8.1.
>>>
>>> When I plug in headphones, nothing changes - the speakers continue to
>>> sound and no sound comes through the headphones.  The mixer does not show
>>> headphones, only speakers.  The Sound properties dialog does not show
>>> headphones, only speakers.  All sound tests show the speakers working well,
>>> and do not recognize headphones at all.
>>>
>>> After a long online chat with a Dell tech, the decision was to replace the
>>> motherboard.  That was done Wednesday evening.  Upon completion of the
>>> replacement, the initial problem remained exactly the same.
>>>
>>> I have done all the driver updating I could find, both through the My Dell
>>> Drivers support and from the manufacturer Realtek Semiconductor website.
>>> Results continue to be exactly the same.
>>>
>>> So far, the online suggestions all point to setting the headphones option
>>> in the Sound properties dialog to be the default.  My problem is that there
>>> is NO headphones option in the Sound properties dialog box - none at all.  I
>>> do have the "Show disabled devices" and "Show disconnected devices" check
>>> boxes ticked.   I have uninstalled and reinstalled several times to no
>>> avail.  The first time I uninstalled, when I rebooted the system it did
>>> claim that no sound device was installed.  The last time I uninstalled, when
>>> I rebooted the system the existing device had already been installed.
>>>
>>> The sound card is called Realtek High Definition Audio.  I'm thinking the
>>> sound card is defective, or, if it's truly a motherboard problem, then the
>>> replacement motherboard has the same defect as the original mortherboard.
>>>
>>> Any ideas about a solution?  Thanks.
>>>
>>> TNF
>>>
>>
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>
>
>
> --
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> Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well
> preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out,
> shouting "What a great ride!"
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preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out,
shouting "What a great ride!"
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Mar 14 22:26:50 2014
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2014 21:26:50 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Another Office Suite?
In-Reply-To: <a79631adbd314c6fb83a7c6cd50542ae@AMSPR06MB311.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <1133721640.3169723.1394854010510.JavaMail.root@cds018>

Hi All:

Someone sent me a link to the following Office Suite. To say the least, the nine product list is impressive.

It runs on all platforms but for some reason the developers are having some problems releasing it on one version of Linux and that version is Ubuntu? I am sure the bugs will be worked out soon and it is not that the products stable are on a number of Linux distros already.

That said, I have not had a chance to check out the applications but maybe one of you guys could as it has received some great reviews.

http://www.calligra.org

...and here is the page that will give you a tour of the applications in this suite:

http://www.calligra.org/tour/calligra-suite

Jim

From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Mar 14 22:29:49 2014
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2014 21:29:49 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Node.js and ASP.Net
In-Reply-To: <a79631adbd314c6fb83a7c6cd50542ae@AMSPR06MB311.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <1779493265.3170498.1394854189288.JavaMail.root@cds018>

Hi All:

Five reasons ASP.NET developers should care about Node.js...

http://www.wintellect.com/blogs/jlane/five-reasons-asp.net-developers-should-care-about-node.js

Jim

From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Mar 14 22:32:38 2014
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2014 21:32:38 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Bill Gates
In-Reply-To: <a79631adbd314c6fb83a7c6cd50542ae@AMSPR06MB311.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <246661946.3171764.1394854358605.JavaMail.root@cds018>

Hi All:

Is Bill Gates back in the tech world again? According to Mary Jo Foley, it seems so:

http://www.zdnet.com/microsofts-tech-advisor-bill-gates-is-talking-about-tech-again-7000027312

Jim  

From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Mar 14 22:37:29 2014
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2014 21:37:29 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] New searching methods
In-Reply-To: <a79631adbd314c6fb83a7c6cd50542ae@AMSPR06MB311.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <1216473831.3173376.1394854649375.JavaMail.root@cds018>

Hi All:

Imagine being able to search the web by just matching images? Well according to some new search engine technology that might be possible.:

http://www.bing.com/blogs/site_blogs/b/search/archive/2014/03/13/find-it-faster-with-image-match.aspx

There may even the possibility of searching the web given just an image of a person's face...that could be a little scary.

Jim 

From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Mar 14 22:43:46 2014
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2014 21:43:46 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] A new OSS graphic application
In-Reply-To: <a79631adbd314c6fb83a7c6cd50542ae@AMSPR06MB311.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <505553984.3174738.1394855026975.JavaMail.root@cds018>

Hi All:

There is a new and very nice looking graphic drawing program out there called Krita. It works well on all platforms but it seems it may also has a problem with the Ubuntu unity graphic display engine...grrr.

http://krita.org/index.php

Jim

From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Sat Mar 15 00:37:52 2014
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2014 09:37:52 +0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?=22Democratization_of_the_sky=22?=
Message-ID: <1394861872.664889650@f317.i.mail.ru>

 Hi All --

I'm watching 15 minutes introduction to the "Pocket Drone",

http://techcrunch.com/2014/03/14/pocket-drone-ends-its-crowdfunding-campaign-just-shy-of-1-million-in-pledges/

which Kickstarter campaign collected $929,212:

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/airdroids/the-pocket-drone-your-personal-flying-robot

-- 
???????????? ??????

From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Sat Mar 15 08:59:01 2014
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2014 09:59:01 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] New searching methods
In-Reply-To: <1216473831.3173376.1394854649375.JavaMail.root@cds018>
References: <a79631adbd314c6fb83a7c6cd50542ae@AMSPR06MB311.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
	<1216473831.3173376.1394854649375.JavaMail.root@cds018>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1hC+jyBOfGDHf=5Wi+metDs75QBFqdaLE=prxCk1Z4PZg@mail.gmail.com>

Jim,

Google has had the ability to search images by match for some time. I
didn't realize this until I took the two free on-line courses "Power
Searching With Google" and "Advanced Power Searching With Google". Until I
took these courses I thought that I pretty much knew my way around Google.
Wrong! I had no idea what a powerhouse search engine it is.

I heartily recommend these courses to everyone who uses Google. I think
that even the most experienced Google users will learn some valuable new
tricks.

Arthur


On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 11:37 PM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> Hi All:
>
> Imagine being able to search the web by just matching images? Well
> according to some new search engine technology that might be possible.:
>
>

From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Sat Mar 15 09:19:32 2014
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2014 10:19:32 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] No Headphone Output
In-Reply-To: <183044307.3144580.1394850134364.JavaMail.root@cds018>
References: <183044307.3144580.1394850134364.JavaMail.root@cds018>
Message-ID: <53246174.9000703@torchlake.com>

Hi Jim,

Yes, according to the technician, my Inspiron 15R 5537 is equipped with 
the combo jack, combining both headphone/speaker output and mic input.  
There is no separate mic jack.  The icons on the single combo jack are 
both the mic and the headphone icons.

According to Dell's own online FAQ section on the combo jack, my 
ordinary 3-pole stereo plug should work just fine for my headphones.  It 
is also supposed to support a full headset, with mic and earphones.  
Well, something is definitely wrong, since I have no headphone or 
external speaker output - and the device managing software clearly has 
those capabilities grayed out.

The tech I'm working with at Dell tells me that the sound card and jack 
are integrated into the motherboard, so there is little likelihood of a 
physical disconnection.  However, it occurs to me that the audio card 
component could still be faulty, and/or the soldering could be faulty, 
etc.  If the problem truly is a motherboard problem, then perhaps the 
replacement motherboard has the same defect as the original board.

TNF

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
231-322-2787

On 3/14/2014 10:22 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote:
> Hi Tina:
>
> The plot thickens...
>
> Bryan stated that a four pole plug would be if a microphone was built into the single jack. If this was the case your documentation on the product should clearly state that and it would be unlikely that your laptop would have an additional microphone jack. Is this the case?
>
> What was you laptop model again? I would think that just checking the accessories associated with the listing of your product on the Dell website should give you a clue.
>
> Jim
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tina Norris Fields" <tinanfields at torchlake.com>
> To: "DatabaseAdvisors-Tech" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Friday, 14 March, 2014 1:02:11 PM
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] No Headphone Output
>
> Here's my update:
> I contacted both Radio Shack and Best Buy in Traverse City, and learned
> that neither one has anything at all in-house with a 4-pole plug or
> jack.  I found an adapter 3-pole male to 4-pole male on eBay and will
> have that in hand in another week or so. Meantime, I went into the Dell
> Community FAQ Laptop Audio forum and found this about the new combo jacks:
>
> http://en.community.dell.com/support-forums/laptop/f/3517/t/19345854.aspx#six
>
> summary:
> ====
> Dell is now putting "combo" jacks in many of the laptop models. A combo
> jack combines the function of a mic jack and a headphone jack into a
> single jack socket. Here is what you can and cannot use with a combo jack.
>   > You can use a smart phone type of headset.
>   > You can also use conventional headphones that have a 3.5mm 3 segment
> plug (a TRS plug). A 3 segmented plug looks like this: (followed by a
> picture just like mine)
>
>   > You cannot use the combo jack for stereo line-in recording. It only
> is capable of mono input.
>
>   > You cannot use a conventional computer mic that has a 3.5mm TRS (3
> segmented) plug. You might be able to use a conventional mic with an
> adapter cable.
> ====
>
> So, according to the Dell Community FAQ, my 3-pole headphone plug should
> work just fine in the 4-pole audio jack.  I have sent this very same
> information to the tech handling my case.  I'm waiting to see what her
> response will be to my findings.
>
> TNF
>
> Tina Norris Fields
> tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
> 231-322-2787
>
> On 3/14/2014 1:06 PM, Tina Norris Fields wrote:
>> Hi again,
>>
>> Okay, I got an email message from the tech supervising my case, asking
>> me to test external speakers on the jack, and to send a picture of the
>> headphone plug I am using.  So, I tried.  No joy with the external
>> speaker, either.  Both the external speaker and the headphone are
>> using 3-ring stereo plugs.  The tech has come back to me, saying that
>> I need a 4-ring plug for this audio card. Hello, this is news.  I
>> called my friends at Radio Shack to see if I could get a 4-ring plug -
>> they answered that they didn't have anything in the shop with
>> 4-rings.  The tech linked me to an article showing a picture of the
>> kind of plug she said I need. Interestingly enough, the article is
>> complaining that Windows 8.1 refused to recognize a 4-ring plug.  Oh
>> dear, now things are not looking right to me.
>>
>> Well, we'll see how things work out.
>>
>> TNF
>>
>> Tina Norris Fields
>> tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
>> 231-322-2787
>>
>> On 3/14/2014 9:47 AM, Tina Norris Fields wrote:
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> I'm working with the Dell tech people to try to solve the problem,
>>> and I'm exploring the online discussions on the same topic, but I
>>> also want to ask this gang for help.
>>>
>>> I have a new Dell Inspiron 15R, came with Windows 8 (64-bit) - since
>>> upgraded to Windows 8.1.
>>>
>>> When I plug in headphones, nothing changes - the speakers continue to
>>> sound and no sound comes through the headphones. The mixer does not
>>> show headphones, only speakers.  The Sound properties dialog does not
>>> show headphones, only speakers.  All sound tests show the speakers
>>> working well, and do not recognize headphones at all.
>>>
>>> After a long online chat with a Dell tech, the decision was to
>>> replace the motherboard.  That was done Wednesday evening.  Upon
>>> completion of the replacement, the initial problem remained exactly
>>> the same.
>>>
>>> I have done all the driver updating I could find, both through the My
>>> Dell Drivers support and from the manufacturer Realtek Semiconductor
>>> website.  Results continue to be exactly the same.
>>>
>>> So far, the online suggestions all point to setting the headphones
>>> option in the Sound properties dialog to be the default.  My problem
>>> is that there is NO headphones option in the Sound properties dialog
>>> box - none at all.  I do have the "Show disabled devices" and "Show
>>> disconnected devices" check boxes ticked.   I have uninstalled and
>>> reinstalled several times to no avail.  The first time I uninstalled,
>>> when I rebooted the system it did claim that no sound device was
>>> installed.  The last time I uninstalled, when I rebooted the system
>>> the existing device had already been installed.
>>>
>>> The sound card is called Realtek High Definition Audio.  I'm thinking
>>> the sound card is defective, or, if it's truly a motherboard problem,
>>> then the replacement motherboard has the same defect as the original
>>> mortherboard.
>>>
>>> Any ideas about a solution?  Thanks.
>>>
>>> TNF
>>>
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From paul.hartland at googlemail.com  Sat Mar 15 09:29:09 2014
From: paul.hartland at googlemail.com (Paul Hartland)
Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2014 14:29:09 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] New searching methods
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1hC+jyBOfGDHf=5Wi+metDs75QBFqdaLE=prxCk1Z4PZg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a79631adbd314c6fb83a7c6cd50542ae@AMSPR06MB311.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
	<1216473831.3173376.1394854649375.JavaMail.root@cds018>
	<CAEPJO1hC+jyBOfGDHf=5Wi+metDs75QBFqdaLE=prxCk1Z4PZg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALGJE95Vy70U2qFyAJh+VVWDobbJwewbbT7MUF6Rt_YL1sFexg@mail.gmail.com>

Yeah, not seen the courses, but not sure if I saw it on some tv programme
or you tube, so decided to try it out one day, I thought it was pretty
nifty myself, I will however be looking at those two courses you mention,
when I get the hang of vb.net which is my priority at the moment as feeling
like a developer dinosaur for last few years.

Paul


On 15 March 2014 13:59, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com> wrote:

> Jim,
>
> Google has had the ability to search images by match for some time. I
> didn't realize this until I took the two free on-line courses "Power
> Searching With Google" and "Advanced Power Searching With Google". Until I
> took these courses I thought that I pretty much knew my way around Google.
> Wrong! I had no idea what a powerhouse search engine it is.
>
> I heartily recommend these courses to everyone who uses Google. I think
> that even the most experienced Google users will learn some valuable new
> tricks.
>
> Arthur
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 11:37 PM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
>
> > Hi All:
> >
> > Imagine being able to search the web by just matching images? Well
> > according to some new search engine technology that might be possible.:
> >
> >
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> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
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>



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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sat Mar 15 10:13:54 2014
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2014 09:13:54 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Graphs
In-Reply-To: <CALGJE95Vy70U2qFyAJh+VVWDobbJwewbbT7MUF6Rt_YL1sFexg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <970520106.3359965.1394896434426.JavaMail.root@cds018>

Hi All:

I have no idea what the linked graph means other than the use of Windows 7 is growing at the same rate as both XP and Vista are shrinking and the adoption of Windows 8.x is now stable and equal to iOS.

http://regmedia.co.uk/2014/03/14/statcounter_large.jpg

Jim 

From accessd at shaw.ca  Sat Mar 15 10:14:39 2014
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2014 09:14:39 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] New searching methods
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1hC+jyBOfGDHf=5Wi+metDs75QBFqdaLE=prxCk1Z4PZg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1806304965.3360445.1394896479535.JavaMail.root@cds018>

Hi Arthur:

Courses?

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Arthur Fuller" <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, 15 March, 2014 6:59:01 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] New searching methods

Jim,

Google has had the ability to search images by match for some time. I
didn't realize this until I took the two free on-line courses "Power
Searching With Google" and "Advanced Power Searching With Google". Until I
took these courses I thought that I pretty much knew my way around Google.
Wrong! I had no idea what a powerhouse search engine it is.

I heartily recommend these courses to everyone who uses Google. I think
that even the most experienced Google users will learn some valuable new
tricks.

Arthur


On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 11:37 PM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> Hi All:
>
> Imagine being able to search the web by just matching images? Well
> according to some new search engine technology that might be possible.:
>
>
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sat Mar 15 10:21:30 2014
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2014 09:21:30 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] No Headphone Output
In-Reply-To: <53246174.9000703@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <1177736608.3363459.1394896890967.JavaMail.root@cds018>

Hi Tina:

It would seem that the sound card components are faulty which means the whole motherboard may need replacing. (As mentioned earlier, I had a netbook that exhibited the same issues and the solution was a new motherboard.) 

As long as you still are on warranty there should be no issue and someone that works with laptop repair should take no more than a couple of hours to exchange the board and have the working computer back to you.

Jim 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tina Norris Fields" <tinanfields at torchlake.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, 15 March, 2014 7:19:32 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] No Headphone Output

Hi Jim,

Yes, according to the technician, my Inspiron 15R 5537 is equipped with 
the combo jack, combining both headphone/speaker output and mic input.  
There is no separate mic jack.  The icons on the single combo jack are 
both the mic and the headphone icons.

According to Dell's own online FAQ section on the combo jack, my 
ordinary 3-pole stereo plug should work just fine for my headphones.  It 
is also supposed to support a full headset, with mic and earphones.  
Well, something is definitely wrong, since I have no headphone or 
external speaker output - and the device managing software clearly has 
those capabilities grayed out.

The tech I'm working with at Dell tells me that the sound card and jack 
are integrated into the motherboard, so there is little likelihood of a 
physical disconnection.  However, it occurs to me that the audio card 
component could still be faulty, and/or the soldering could be faulty, 
etc.  If the problem truly is a motherboard problem, then perhaps the 
replacement motherboard has the same defect as the original board.

TNF

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
231-322-2787

On 3/14/2014 10:22 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote:
> Hi Tina:
>
> The plot thickens...
>
> Bryan stated that a four pole plug would be if a microphone was built into the single jack. If this was the case your documentation on the product should clearly state that and it would be unlikely that your laptop would have an additional microphone jack. Is this the case?
>
> What was you laptop model again? I would think that just checking the accessories associated with the listing of your product on the Dell website should give you a clue.
>
> Jim

From paul.hartland at googlemail.com  Sat Mar 15 10:23:51 2014
From: paul.hartland at googlemail.com (Paul Hartland)
Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2014 15:23:51 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Apache Web Server
In-Reply-To: <1963245040.12405962.1392659352259.JavaMail.root@cds002>
References: <CALGJE94Emj3qUkBiYi86U5HT3uZJYxkPL6fexUW9n9hU8UxpcA@mail.gmail.com>
	<1963245040.12405962.1392659352259.JavaMail.root@cds002>
Message-ID: <CALGJE95fZc18dKJ0jqz-17p9YvguibPDpQ3w8=3+E_TnrhQtHA@mail.gmail.com>

Right, bit of a delay in a response, but actually got to speak to a
sensible person at Virgin who supply my broadband, well actually they
called me after all my moaning emails to them and on their Facebook page
lol....I am still on a 20mb line with a cable modem until the 27th March,
but they are now going to upgrade me to their latest virgin media superhub
2 modem and wireless router, upgrade me from 20mb to 100mb and reduce the
amount I pay a month (I should now moan about why has it taken them so long
to look after an existing customer, but will leave them for a while now
lol).....

So now will I still need an external firewall with this superhub2 router if
I want to host my own web stuff on something like apache, there is a little
piece about the superhub2 here
http://www.pcpro.co.uk/reviews/wifi-routers/383725/virgin-media-super-hub/specifications
.

Paul







On 17 February 2014 17:49, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> Hi Paul:
>
> Maybe your company could invest in a router. The beauty of a router is
> that you can shut all ports except the particular ones you need. If you are
> just doing mail the only port you leave open is port 80 and then you are
> one hundred percent protected as long as you don't run some mail received
> malware....no need for all those other firewalls...as they are only needed
> to protect others from your malware and your windows products are generally
> good enough.
>
> Jim
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Paul Hartland" <paul.hartland at googlemail.com>
> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <
> dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Monday, February 17, 2014 7:45:58 AM
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Apache Web Server
>
> Jim/Arthur,
>
> This is where I show how much I do NOT know, I am in the UK with a company
> called Virgin, using a cabled broadband modem, basically cable from wall
> socket into modem into PC.  I am assuming that I do not have a router,
> unless their is something built into the broadband modem (hides face in
> shame)...
>
> Paul
>
>
>
>
> On 17 February 2014 15:41, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
>
> > Hi Paul:
> >
> > You do have a router?
> >
> > Jim
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Paul Hartland" <paul.hartland at googlemail.com>
> > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <
> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Monday, February 17, 2014 6:08:45 AM
> > Subject: [dba-Tech] Apache Web Server
> >
> > To all,
> >
> > Last year (being a total novice with web stuff) I put the Apache web
> server
> > on my PC and basically put a very simple page saying 'Hello World' and
> > asked a friend to see if they could see the page, to my amazement yes
> they
> > could, then to my disappointment another friend said people would find it
> > easy to hack into my machine and I would need a firewall (think he said
> > hardware one) in between my broadband box and my PC.  Is this correct and
> > if so does anyone have any suggestions as I have lost contact with that
> > friend after he moved to Australia.
> >
> > Thanks in advance for any help on this.
> >
> > --
> > Paul Hartland
> > paul.hartland at googlemail.com
> > _______________________________________________
> > dba-Tech mailing list
> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
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> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Paul Hartland
> paul.hartland at googlemail.com
> _______________________________________________
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Sat Mar 15 10:41:30 2014
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2014 11:41:30 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] New searching methods
In-Reply-To: <1806304965.3360445.1394896479535.JavaMail.root@cds018>
References: <CAEPJO1hC+jyBOfGDHf=5Wi+metDs75QBFqdaLE=prxCk1Z4PZg@mail.gmail.com>
	<1806304965.3360445.1394896479535.JavaMail.root@cds018>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1hLpdkZzrty+44KNLp5=diVhnRM5FHeiPOexwgvfFi+Xg@mail.gmail.com>

Jim,

Yes, courses. They are free and on-line, at your own pace, and complete
with assignments. Successful completion of each course wins you an official
certificate from Google, too -- suitable for framing.


On Sat, Mar 15, 2014 at 11:14 AM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> Hi Arthur:
>
> Courses?
>
> Jim
>
>

From accessd at shaw.ca  Sat Mar 15 10:41:42 2014
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2014 09:41:42 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Apache Web Server
In-Reply-To: <CALGJE95fZc18dKJ0jqz-17p9YvguibPDpQ3w8=3+E_TnrhQtHA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <440182646.3373854.1394898102028.JavaMail.root@cds018>

Hi Paul:

Proof that the art of pro-active complaining can have very positive results.

What you can host on your computers tends to be what your ISP blocks or doesn't. One of the local ISPs blocks virtually every server port...they say it is for security of their client...but that security can be deferred if the client is willing to pay more. Fortunately, other ISPs have not such restrictions. 

Are you able to manage your new router? (Sometimes ISPs block this capability) If you have complete access to the router it can become the best firewall. Actually firewalls are meant to block information going out of the system, generally pushed by various versions of malware and adware.

Apache listens to port 80.

Jim  

----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Hartland" <paul.hartland at googlemail.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, 15 March, 2014 8:23:51 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Apache Web Server

Right, bit of a delay in a response, but actually got to speak to a
sensible person at Virgin who supply my broadband, well actually they
called me after all my moaning emails to them and on their Facebook page
lol....I am still on a 20mb line with a cable modem until the 27th March,
but they are now going to upgrade me to their latest virgin media superhub
2 modem and wireless router, upgrade me from 20mb to 100mb and reduce the
amount I pay a month (I should now moan about why has it taken them so long
to look after an existing customer, but will leave them for a while now
lol).....

So now will I still need an external firewall with this superhub2 router if
I want to host my own web stuff on something like apache, there is a little
piece about the superhub2 here
http://www.pcpro.co.uk/reviews/wifi-routers/383725/virgin-media-super-hub/specifications
.

Paul







On 17 February 2014 17:49, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> Hi Paul:
>
> Maybe your company could invest in a router. The beauty of a router is
> that you can shut all ports except the particular ones you need. If you are
> just doing mail the only port you leave open is port 80 and then you are
> one hundred percent protected as long as you don't run some mail received
> malware....no need for all those other firewalls...as they are only needed
> to protect others from your malware and your windows products are generally
> good enough.
>
> Jim
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Paul Hartland" <paul.hartland at googlemail.com>
> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <
> dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Monday, February 17, 2014 7:45:58 AM
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Apache Web Server
>
> Jim/Arthur,
>
> This is where I show how much I do NOT know, I am in the UK with a company
> called Virgin, using a cabled broadband modem, basically cable from wall
> socket into modem into PC.  I am assuming that I do not have a router,
> unless their is something built into the broadband modem (hides face in
> shame)...
>
> Paul
>
>
>
>
> On 17 February 2014 15:41, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
>
> > Hi Paul:
> >
> > You do have a router?
> >
> > Jim
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Paul Hartland" <paul.hartland at googlemail.com>
> > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <
> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Monday, February 17, 2014 6:08:45 AM
> > Subject: [dba-Tech] Apache Web Server
> >
> > To all,
> >
> > Last year (being a total novice with web stuff) I put the Apache web
> server
> > on my PC and basically put a very simple page saying 'Hello World' and
> > asked a friend to see if they could see the page, to my amazement yes
> they
> > could, then to my disappointment another friend said people would find it
> > easy to hack into my machine and I would need a firewall (think he said
> > hardware one) in between my broadband box and my PC.  Is this correct and
> > if so does anyone have any suggestions as I have lost contact with that
> > friend after he moved to Australia.
> >
> > Thanks in advance for any help on this.
> >
> > --
> > Paul Hartland
> > paul.hartland at googlemail.com
> > _______________________________________________
> > dba-Tech mailing list
> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > _______________________________________________
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> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Paul Hartland
> paul.hartland at googlemail.com
> _______________________________________________
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> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
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From paul.hartland at googlemail.com  Sat Mar 15 11:08:36 2014
From: paul.hartland at googlemail.com (Paul Hartland)
Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2014 16:08:36 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Apache Web Server
In-Reply-To: <440182646.3373854.1394898102028.JavaMail.root@cds018>
References: <CALGJE95fZc18dKJ0jqz-17p9YvguibPDpQ3w8=3+E_TnrhQtHA@mail.gmail.com>
	<440182646.3373854.1394898102028.JavaMail.root@cds018>
Message-ID: <CALGJE94jcsUU1WcmC+8CRbH4KFs4Crc_S5AVMHtAifwnDNUwQA@mail.gmail.com>

Jim,

Don't have it yet, engineer is coming out to install on the 27th of this
month, but reading up on it, it sounds as though I should be able to manage
the router with lots of different settings, will re-post when I know more
just after the 27th.

Paul


On 15 March 2014 15:41, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> Hi Paul:
>
> Proof that the art of pro-active complaining can have very positive
> results.
>
> What you can host on your computers tends to be what your ISP blocks or
> doesn't. One of the local ISPs blocks virtually every server port...they
> say it is for security of their client...but that security can be deferred
> if the client is willing to pay more. Fortunately, other ISPs have not such
> restrictions.
>
> Are you able to manage your new router? (Sometimes ISPs block this
> capability) If you have complete access to the router it can become the
> best firewall. Actually firewalls are meant to block information going out
> of the system, generally pushed by various versions of malware and adware.
>
> Apache listens to port 80.
>
> Jim
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Paul Hartland" <paul.hartland at googlemail.com>
> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <
> dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Saturday, 15 March, 2014 8:23:51 AM
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Apache Web Server
>
> Right, bit of a delay in a response, but actually got to speak to a
> sensible person at Virgin who supply my broadband, well actually they
> called me after all my moaning emails to them and on their Facebook page
> lol....I am still on a 20mb line with a cable modem until the 27th March,
> but they are now going to upgrade me to their latest virgin media superhub
> 2 modem and wireless router, upgrade me from 20mb to 100mb and reduce the
> amount I pay a month (I should now moan about why has it taken them so long
> to look after an existing customer, but will leave them for a while now
> lol).....
>
> So now will I still need an external firewall with this superhub2 router if
> I want to host my own web stuff on something like apache, there is a little
> piece about the superhub2 here
>
> http://www.pcpro.co.uk/reviews/wifi-routers/383725/virgin-media-super-hub/specifications
> .
>
> Paul
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 17 February 2014 17:49, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
>
> > Hi Paul:
> >
> > Maybe your company could invest in a router. The beauty of a router is
> > that you can shut all ports except the particular ones you need. If you
> are
> > just doing mail the only port you leave open is port 80 and then you are
> > one hundred percent protected as long as you don't run some mail received
> > malware....no need for all those other firewalls...as they are only
> needed
> > to protect others from your malware and your windows products are
> generally
> > good enough.
> >
> > Jim
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Paul Hartland" <paul.hartland at googlemail.com>
> > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <
> > dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Monday, February 17, 2014 7:45:58 AM
> > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Apache Web Server
> >
> > Jim/Arthur,
> >
> > This is where I show how much I do NOT know, I am in the UK with a
> company
> > called Virgin, using a cabled broadband modem, basically cable from wall
> > socket into modem into PC.  I am assuming that I do not have a router,
> > unless their is something built into the broadband modem (hides face in
> > shame)...
> >
> > Paul
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 17 February 2014 15:41, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Paul:
> > >
> > > You do have a router?
> > >
> > > Jim
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Paul Hartland" <paul.hartland at googlemail.com>
> > > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <
> > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > Sent: Monday, February 17, 2014 6:08:45 AM
> > > Subject: [dba-Tech] Apache Web Server
> > >
> > > To all,
> > >
> > > Last year (being a total novice with web stuff) I put the Apache web
> > server
> > > on my PC and basically put a very simple page saying 'Hello World' and
> > > asked a friend to see if they could see the page, to my amazement yes
> > they
> > > could, then to my disappointment another friend said people would find
> it
> > > easy to hack into my machine and I would need a firewall (think he said
> > > hardware one) in between my broadband box and my PC.  Is this correct
> and
> > > if so does anyone have any suggestions as I have lost contact with that
> > > friend after he moved to Australia.
> > >
> > > Thanks in advance for any help on this.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Paul Hartland
> > > paul.hartland at googlemail.com
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> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Paul Hartland
> > paul.hartland at googlemail.com
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>
>
>
> --
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From eptept at gmail.com  Sat Mar 15 11:25:15 2014
From: eptept at gmail.com (Ed Tesiny)
Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2014 12:25:15 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Graphs
In-Reply-To: <970520106.3359965.1394896434426.JavaMail.root@cds018>
References: <CALGJE95Vy70U2qFyAJh+VVWDobbJwewbbT7MUF6Rt_YL1sFexg@mail.gmail.com>
	<970520106.3359965.1394896434426.JavaMail.root@cds018>
Message-ID: <CAEkqQpWENZzxUYUYdp-opeUMgXw2aJHd5jwuZ61OsyMhP+TUFg@mail.gmail.com>

Jim,
and the question is??


On Sat, Mar 15, 2014 at 11:13 AM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> Hi All:
>
> I have no idea what the linked graph means other than the use of Windows 7
> is growing at the same rate as both XP and Vista are shrinking and the
> adoption of Windows 8.x is now stable and equal to iOS.
>
> http://regmedia.co.uk/2014/03/14/statcounter_large.jpg
>
> Jim
> _______________________________________________
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> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
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>

From accessd at shaw.ca  Sat Mar 15 12:09:31 2014
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2014 11:09:31 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Graphs
In-Reply-To: <CAEkqQpWENZzxUYUYdp-opeUMgXw2aJHd5jwuZ61OsyMhP+TUFg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1248985373.3421012.1394903371253.JavaMail.root@cds018>

Hi Ed:

The graph comes from Statcounter which states that it shows product growth trends. 

Without further explanation associated with the graph one the page, IMHO, the graph just shows desktops computers and what I get from the info is that XP and Vista growth is dropping proportionally to the increase growth of Windows 7 while Windows 8.x's growth basically remains static. All other desktop OS versions combined assume about 20 to 30 percent of the market.

If you would like to play with the stats check out: http://gs.statcounter.com

...and this stat for browser: http://gs.statcounter.com/#all-browser-ww-monthly-201302-201402

...and this stat for OSs for all platforms in north america: 
http://gs.statcounter.com/#desktop+mobile+tablet-os-na-monthly-201302-201402 

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ed Tesiny" <eptept at gmail.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, 15 March, 2014 9:25:15 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Graphs

Jim,
and the question is??


On Sat, Mar 15, 2014 at 11:13 AM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> Hi All:
>
> I have no idea what the linked graph means other than the use of Windows 7
> is growing at the same rate as both XP and Vista are shrinking and the
> adoption of Windows 8.x is now stable and equal to iOS.
>
> http://regmedia.co.uk/2014/03/14/statcounter_large.jpg
>
> Jim
> _______________________________________________
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>
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Sat Mar 15 12:29:47 2014
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2014 17:29:47 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Yahoo mail 1 TB?
In-Reply-To: <1216473831.3173376.1394854649375.JavaMail.root@cds018>
References: <a79631adbd314c6fb83a7c6cd50542ae@AMSPR06MB311.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>,
	<1216473831.3173376.1394854649375.JavaMail.root@cds018>
Message-ID: <8e564bad4d75421e8578a7a4d9e2adbc@AMSPR06MB311.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Hi all

I created a Yahoo Mail account for some testing.
It claims to allow you to store 1 TB or about 54 millions e-mails for free? And you have both POP3 and IMAP secure connections.

That's a lot. Any gotchas except that anything may not remain free, but still?
It could serve as a zero cost backup option.

/gustav

From accessd at shaw.ca  Sat Mar 15 12:48:03 2014
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2014 11:48:03 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Yahoo mail 1 TB?
In-Reply-To: <8e564bad4d75421e8578a7a4d9e2adbc@AMSPR06MB311.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <1898573712.3443601.1394905683358.JavaMail.root@cds018>

Hi Gustav:

I know nothing about Yahoo but would suspect it will remain indefinitely.

Our ISP has its own client messaging system (Zimbra...IMHO it is an excellent product) which can be configured a number of different ways, can either delete or retain all emails downloaded off to the desktop, can off load all emails to another online storage area like GMail (and possibly Yahoo now). The IPS's Zimbra storage only gives a 1000 MB per account though, so Yahoo may be a good moderately secure backup...like GMail.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, 15 March, 2014 10:29:47 AM
Subject: [dba-Tech] Yahoo mail 1 TB?

Hi all

I created a Yahoo Mail account for some testing.
It claims to allow you to store 1 TB or about 54 millions e-mails for free? And you have both POP3 and IMAP secure connections.

That's a lot. Any gotchas except that anything may not remain free, but still?
It could serve as a zero cost backup option.

/gustav
_______________________________________________
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From peter.brawley at earthlink.net  Sat Mar 15 12:57:29 2014
From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley)
Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2014 12:57:29 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Yahoo mail 1 TB?
In-Reply-To: <8e564bad4d75421e8578a7a4d9e2adbc@AMSPR06MB311.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
References: <a79631adbd314c6fb83a7c6cd50542ae@AMSPR06MB311.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>,
	<1216473831.3173376.1394854649375.JavaMail.root@cds018>
	<8e564bad4d75421e8578a7a4d9e2adbc@AMSPR06MB311.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <53249489.4060404@earthlink.net>

On 2014-03-15 12:29 PM, Gustav Brock wrote:
> Hi all
>
> I created a Yahoo Mail account for some testing.
> It claims to allow you to store 1 TB or about 54 millions e-mails for free? And you have both POP3 and IMAP secure connections.
>
> That's a lot. Any gotchas except that anything may not remain free, but still?

I subscribe to a few Yahoo! email lists. They fail to deliver 1-2% 
messages. I wouldn't trust a Yahoo! email account.

PB

-----

> It could serve as a zero cost backup option.
>
> /gustav
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>


From gustav at cactus.dk  Sat Mar 15 13:04:09 2014
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2014 18:04:09 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Yahoo mail 1 TB?
In-Reply-To: <1898573712.3443601.1394905683358.JavaMail.root@cds018>
References: <8e564bad4d75421e8578a7a4d9e2adbc@AMSPR06MB311.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>,
	<1898573712.3443601.1394905683358.JavaMail.root@cds018>
Message-ID: <37f67d36329c4d66ac18fc0b6ef65eb6@AMSPR06MB311.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Jim

Yes, GMail and Outlook.com defaults to 7 GB which still is a lot (my mailbox is only 4 GB). So 1 TB is close to "unlimited" for general use.
Much to my surprise and with no warning, Microsoft has just doubled the space on corporate Office 365 accounts to 50 GB so now I have 46 GB free. Great.

Outlook on-line has, by the way, evolved to an outstanding product. For example, I just pointed it to forward a copy to my new Yahoo backup account ... it was just to provide the account and password, everything else happened automatically. No fiddling with ports and so on. Things improve.

/gustav

________________________________________
Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com <dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> p? vegne af Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca>
Sendt: 15. marts 2014 18:48
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Yahoo mail 1 TB?

Hi Gustav:

I know nothing about Yahoo but would suspect it will remain indefinitely.

Our ISP has its own client messaging system (Zimbra...IMHO it is an excellent product) which can be configured a number of different ways, can either delete or retain all emails downloaded off to the desktop, can off load all emails to another online storage area like GMail (and possibly Yahoo now). The IPS's Zimbra storage only gives a 1000 MB per account though, so Yahoo may be a good moderately secure backup...like GMail.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, 15 March, 2014 10:29:47 AM
Subject: [dba-Tech] Yahoo mail 1 TB?

Hi all

I created a Yahoo Mail account for some testing.
It claims to allow you to store 1 TB or about 54 millions e-mails for free? And you have both POP3 and IMAP secure connections.

That's a lot. Any gotchas except that anything may not remain free, but still?
It could serve as a zero cost backup option.

/gustav


From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Sat Mar 15 13:05:51 2014
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2014 14:05:51 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] No Headphone Output
In-Reply-To: <53236043.4010706@torchlake.com>
References: <53230882.5060805@torchlake.com> <532336FB.7000501@torchlake.com>
	<53236043.4010706@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <5324967F.5050202@torchlake.com>

Okay, good news.  I got an adapter from Radio Shack - a sort of 
Y-adapter - one jack for mic and one jack for stereo headphones, 
combined to a single 4-pole plug. (Interesting sidebar - the language 
used by the Dell tech, calling the combo plug a 4-ring plug, confused my 
Radio Shack guy, because he correctly understands the black bands to be 
the rings and the metal surfaces to be the poles - which led him to tell 
me he didn't have any 4-ring adapters.  It helps to use the right terms!!!)

I now have sound through my headphones, plugged into the adapter and the 
adapter plugged into the combo jack on the laptop.  Next, I will test 
the external speaker on this adapter.  Then, I will test the 
microphone.  The software GUI still refuses to acknowledge the presence 
of headphones, but I do have sound. Woo-hoo!

TNF

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
231-322-2787

On 3/14/2014 4:02 PM, Tina Norris Fields wrote:
> Here's my update:
> I contacted both Radio Shack and Best Buy in Traverse City, and 
> learned that neither one has anything at all in-house with a 4-pole 
> plug or jack.  I found an adapter 3-pole male to 4-pole male on eBay 
> and will have that in hand in another week or so. Meantime, I went 
> into the Dell Community FAQ Laptop Audio forum and found this about 
> the new combo jacks:
>
> http://en.community.dell.com/support-forums/laptop/f/3517/t/19345854.aspx#six 
>
>
> summary:
> ====
> Dell is now putting "combo" jacks in many of the laptop models. A 
> combo jack combines the function of a mic jack and a headphone jack 
> into a single jack socket. Here is what you can and cannot use with a 
> combo jack.
> > You can use a smart phone type of headset.
> > You can also use conventional headphones that have a 3.5mm 3 segment 
> plug (a TRS plug). A 3 segmented plug looks like this: (followed by a 
> picture just like mine)
>
> > You cannot use the combo jack for stereo line-in recording. It only 
> is capable of mono input.
>
> > You cannot use a conventional computer mic that has a 3.5mm TRS (3 
> segmented) plug. You might be able to use a conventional mic with an 
> adapter cable.
> ====
>
> So, according to the Dell Community FAQ, my 3-pole headphone plug 
> should work just fine in the 4-pole audio jack.  I have sent this very 
> same information to the tech handling my case.  I'm waiting to see 
> what her response will be to my findings.
>
> TNF
>
> Tina Norris Fields
> tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
> 231-322-2787
>
> On 3/14/2014 1:06 PM, Tina Norris Fields wrote:
>> Hi again,
>>
>> Okay, I got an email message from the tech supervising my case, 
>> asking me to test external speakers on the jack, and to send a 
>> picture of the headphone plug I am using.  So, I tried.  No joy with 
>> the external speaker, either.  Both the external speaker and the 
>> headphone are using 3-ring stereo plugs.  The tech has come back to 
>> me, saying that I need a 4-ring plug for this audio card. Hello, this 
>> is news.  I called my friends at Radio Shack to see if I could get a 
>> 4-ring plug - they answered that they didn't have anything in the 
>> shop with 4-rings.  The tech linked me to an article showing a 
>> picture of the kind of plug she said I need. Interestingly enough, 
>> the article is complaining that Windows 8.1 refused to recognize a 
>> 4-ring plug.  Oh dear, now things are not looking right to me.
>>
>> Well, we'll see how things work out.
>>
>> TNF
>>
>> Tina Norris Fields
>> tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
>> 231-322-2787
>>
>> On 3/14/2014 9:47 AM, Tina Norris Fields wrote:
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> I'm working with the Dell tech people to try to solve the problem, 
>>> and I'm exploring the online discussions on the same topic, but I 
>>> also want to ask this gang for help.
>>>
>>> I have a new Dell Inspiron 15R, came with Windows 8 (64-bit) - since 
>>> upgraded to Windows 8.1.
>>>
>>> When I plug in headphones, nothing changes - the speakers continue 
>>> to sound and no sound comes through the headphones. The mixer does 
>>> not show headphones, only speakers.  The Sound properties dialog 
>>> does not show headphones, only speakers. All sound tests show the 
>>> speakers working well, and do not recognize headphones at all.
>>>
>>> After a long online chat with a Dell tech, the decision was to 
>>> replace the motherboard.  That was done Wednesday evening. Upon 
>>> completion of the replacement, the initial problem remained exactly 
>>> the same.
>>>
>>> I have done all the driver updating I could find, both through the 
>>> My Dell Drivers support and from the manufacturer Realtek 
>>> Semiconductor website.  Results continue to be exactly the same.
>>>
>>> So far, the online suggestions all point to setting the headphones 
>>> option in the Sound properties dialog to be the default.  My problem 
>>> is that there is NO headphones option in the Sound properties dialog 
>>> box - none at all.  I do have the "Show disabled devices" and "Show 
>>> disconnected devices" check boxes ticked.   I have uninstalled and 
>>> reinstalled several times to no avail.  The first time I 
>>> uninstalled, when I rebooted the system it did claim that no sound 
>>> device was installed.  The last time I uninstalled, when I rebooted 
>>> the system the existing device had already been installed.
>>>
>>> The sound card is called Realtek High Definition Audio.  I'm 
>>> thinking the sound card is defective, or, if it's truly a 
>>> motherboard problem, then the replacement motherboard has the same 
>>> defect as the original mortherboard.
>>>
>>> Any ideas about a solution?  Thanks.
>>>
>>> TNF
>>>
>>
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Sat Mar 15 13:06:15 2014
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2014 18:06:15 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Yahoo mail 1 TB?
In-Reply-To: <53249489.4060404@earthlink.net>
References: <a79631adbd314c6fb83a7c6cd50542ae@AMSPR06MB311.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>,
	<1216473831.3173376.1394854649375.JavaMail.root@cds018>
	<8e564bad4d75421e8578a7a4d9e2adbc@AMSPR06MB311.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>,
	<53249489.4060404@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <c0656ae1c78e4c11b59afe6db7bc55d6@AMSPR06MB311.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Peter

Yes, you should always have more than one backup.
We also have an on-premise backup.

/gustav

________________________________________
Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com <dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> p? vegne af Peter Brawley <peter.brawley at earthlink.net>
Sendt: 15. marts 2014 18:57
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Yahoo mail 1 TB?

On 2014-03-15 12:29 PM, Gustav Brock wrote:
> Hi all
>
> I created a Yahoo Mail account for some testing.
> It claims to allow you to store 1 TB or about 54 millions e-mails for free? And you have both POP3 and IMAP secure connections.
>
> That's a lot. Any gotchas except that anything may not remain free, but still?

I subscribe to a few Yahoo! email lists. They fail to deliver 1-2%
messages. I wouldn't trust a Yahoo! email account.

PB

-----

> It could serve as a zero cost backup option.
>
> /gustav


From peter.brawley at earthlink.net  Sat Mar 15 13:19:07 2014
From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley)
Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2014 13:19:07 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Yahoo mail 1 TB?
In-Reply-To: <c0656ae1c78e4c11b59afe6db7bc55d6@AMSPR06MB311.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
References: <a79631adbd314c6fb83a7c6cd50542ae@AMSPR06MB311.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>,
	<1216473831.3173376.1394854649375.JavaMail.root@cds018>	<8e564bad4d75421e8578a7a4d9e2adbc@AMSPR06MB311.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>,
	<53249489.4060404@earthlink.net>
	<c0656ae1c78e4c11b59afe6db7bc55d6@AMSPR06MB311.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <5324999B.8030602@earthlink.net>

On 2014-03-15 1:06 PM, Gustav Brock wrote:
> Hi Peter
>
> Yes, you should always have more than one backup.
Sure, but a 1-2% failure rate is absurd.

PB

-----

> We also have an on-premise backup.
>
> /gustav
>
> ________________________________________
> Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com <dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> p? vegne af Peter Brawley <peter.brawley at earthlink.net>
> Sendt: 15. marts 2014 18:57
> Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Yahoo mail 1 TB?
>
> On 2014-03-15 12:29 PM, Gustav Brock wrote:
>> Hi all
>>
>> I created a Yahoo Mail account for some testing.
>> It claims to allow you to store 1 TB or about 54 millions e-mails for free? And you have both POP3 and IMAP secure connections.
>>
>> That's a lot. Any gotchas except that anything may not remain free, but still?
> I subscribe to a few Yahoo! email lists. They fail to deliver 1-2%
> messages. I wouldn't trust a Yahoo! email account.
>
> PB
>
> -----
>
>> It could serve as a zero cost backup option.
>>
>> /gustav
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sat Mar 15 13:27:07 2014
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2014 12:27:07 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] No Headphone Output
In-Reply-To: <5324967F.5050202@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <1304068511.3464788.1394908027252.JavaMail.root@cds018>

Hi Tina:

Good news...

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tina Norris Fields" <tinanfields at torchlake.com>
To: "DatabaseAdvisors-Tech" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, 15 March, 2014 11:05:51 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] No Headphone Output

Okay, good news.  I got an adapter from Radio Shack - a sort of 
Y-adapter - one jack for mic and one jack for stereo headphones, 
combined to a single 4-pole plug. (Interesting sidebar - the language 
used by the Dell tech, calling the combo plug a 4-ring plug, confused my 
Radio Shack guy, because he correctly understands the black bands to be 
the rings and the metal surfaces to be the poles - which led him to tell 
me he didn't have any 4-ring adapters.  It helps to use the right terms!!!)

I now have sound through my headphones, plugged into the adapter and the 
adapter plugged into the combo jack on the laptop.  Next, I will test 
the external speaker on this adapter.  Then, I will test the 
microphone.  The software GUI still refuses to acknowledge the presence 
of headphones, but I do have sound. Woo-hoo!

TNF

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
231-322-2787

On 3/14/2014 4:02 PM, Tina Norris Fields wrote:
> Here's my update:
> I contacted both Radio Shack and Best Buy in Traverse City, and 
> learned that neither one has anything at all in-house with a 4-pole 
> plug or jack.  I found an adapter 3-pole male to 4-pole male on eBay 
> and will have that in hand in another week or so. Meantime, I went 
> into the Dell Community FAQ Laptop Audio forum and found this about 
> the new combo jacks:
>
> http://en.community.dell.com/support-forums/laptop/f/3517/t/19345854.aspx#six 
>
>
> summary:
> ====
> Dell is now putting "combo" jacks in many of the laptop models. A 
> combo jack combines the function of a mic jack and a headphone jack 
> into a single jack socket. Here is what you can and cannot use with a 
> combo jack.
> > You can use a smart phone type of headset.
> > You can also use conventional headphones that have a 3.5mm 3 segment 
> plug (a TRS plug). A 3 segmented plug looks like this: (followed by a 
> picture just like mine)
>
> > You cannot use the combo jack for stereo line-in recording. It only 
> is capable of mono input.
>
> > You cannot use a conventional computer mic that has a 3.5mm TRS (3 
> segmented) plug. You might be able to use a conventional mic with an 
> adapter cable.
> ====
>
> So, according to the Dell Community FAQ, my 3-pole headphone plug 
> should work just fine in the 4-pole audio jack.  I have sent this very 
> same information to the tech handling my case.  I'm waiting to see 
> what her response will be to my findings.
>
> TNF
>
> Tina Norris Fields
> tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
> 231-322-2787
>
> On 3/14/2014 1:06 PM, Tina Norris Fields wrote:
>> Hi again,
>>
>> Okay, I got an email message from the tech supervising my case, 
>> asking me to test external speakers on the jack, and to send a 
>> picture of the headphone plug I am using.  So, I tried.  No joy with 
>> the external speaker, either.  Both the external speaker and the 
>> headphone are using 3-ring stereo plugs.  The tech has come back to 
>> me, saying that I need a 4-ring plug for this audio card. Hello, this 
>> is news.  I called my friends at Radio Shack to see if I could get a 
>> 4-ring plug - they answered that they didn't have anything in the 
>> shop with 4-rings.  The tech linked me to an article showing a 
>> picture of the kind of plug she said I need. Interestingly enough, 
>> the article is complaining that Windows 8.1 refused to recognize a 
>> 4-ring plug.  Oh dear, now things are not looking right to me.
>>
>> Well, we'll see how things work out.
>>
>> TNF
>>
>> Tina Norris Fields
>> tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
>> 231-322-2787
>>
>> On 3/14/2014 9:47 AM, Tina Norris Fields wrote:
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> I'm working with the Dell tech people to try to solve the problem, 
>>> and I'm exploring the online discussions on the same topic, but I 
>>> also want to ask this gang for help.
>>>
>>> I have a new Dell Inspiron 15R, came with Windows 8 (64-bit) - since 
>>> upgraded to Windows 8.1.
>>>
>>> When I plug in headphones, nothing changes - the speakers continue 
>>> to sound and no sound comes through the headphones. The mixer does 
>>> not show headphones, only speakers.  The Sound properties dialog 
>>> does not show headphones, only speakers. All sound tests show the 
>>> speakers working well, and do not recognize headphones at all.
>>>
>>> After a long online chat with a Dell tech, the decision was to 
>>> replace the motherboard.  That was done Wednesday evening. Upon 
>>> completion of the replacement, the initial problem remained exactly 
>>> the same.
>>>
>>> I have done all the driver updating I could find, both through the 
>>> My Dell Drivers support and from the manufacturer Realtek 
>>> Semiconductor website.  Results continue to be exactly the same.
>>>
>>> So far, the online suggestions all point to setting the headphones 
>>> option in the Sound properties dialog to be the default.  My problem 
>>> is that there is NO headphones option in the Sound properties dialog 
>>> box - none at all.  I do have the "Show disabled devices" and "Show 
>>> disconnected devices" check boxes ticked.   I have uninstalled and 
>>> reinstalled several times to no avail.  The first time I 
>>> uninstalled, when I rebooted the system it did claim that no sound 
>>> device was installed.  The last time I uninstalled, when I rebooted 
>>> the system the existing device had already been installed.
>>>
>>> The sound card is called Realtek High Definition Audio.  I'm 
>>> thinking the sound card is defective, or, if it's truly a 
>>> motherboard problem, then the replacement motherboard has the same 
>>> defect as the original mortherboard.
>>>
>>> Any ideas about a solution?  Thanks.
>>>
>>> TNF
>>>
>>
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sat Mar 15 13:31:39 2014
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2014 12:31:39 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Yahoo mail 1 TB?
In-Reply-To: <37f67d36329c4d66ac18fc0b6ef65eb6@AMSPR06MB311.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <1282285114.3466683.1394908299245.JavaMail.root@cds018>

Hi Gustav:

I did not know that GMail was limited...I have been pouring emails in the account for years and as far as I know nothing is missing...but who knows and a message may appear up one saying that my space has ran out. ;-)

I have not checked; how much does Outlook on-line cost? Free for personal?

Jim 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, 15 March, 2014 11:04:09 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Yahoo mail 1 TB?

Hi Jim

Yes, GMail and Outlook.com defaults to 7 GB which still is a lot (my mailbox is only 4 GB). So 1 TB is close to "unlimited" for general use.
Much to my surprise and with no warning, Microsoft has just doubled the space on corporate Office 365 accounts to 50 GB so now I have 46 GB free. Great.

Outlook on-line has, by the way, evolved to an outstanding product. For example, I just pointed it to forward a copy to my new Yahoo backup account ... it was just to provide the account and password, everything else happened automatically. No fiddling with ports and so on. Things improve.

/gustav

________________________________________
Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com <dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> p? vegne af Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca>
Sendt: 15. marts 2014 18:48
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Yahoo mail 1 TB?

Hi Gustav:

I know nothing about Yahoo but would suspect it will remain indefinitely.

Our ISP has its own client messaging system (Zimbra...IMHO it is an excellent product) which can be configured a number of different ways, can either delete or retain all emails downloaded off to the desktop, can off load all emails to another online storage area like GMail (and possibly Yahoo now). The IPS's Zimbra storage only gives a 1000 MB per account though, so Yahoo may be a good moderately secure backup...like GMail.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, 15 March, 2014 10:29:47 AM
Subject: [dba-Tech] Yahoo mail 1 TB?

Hi all

I created a Yahoo Mail account for some testing.
It claims to allow you to store 1 TB or about 54 millions e-mails for free? And you have both POP3 and IMAP secure connections.

That's a lot. Any gotchas except that anything may not remain free, but still?
It could serve as a zero cost backup option.

/gustav

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From gustav at cactus.dk  Sat Mar 15 13:37:59 2014
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2014 18:37:59 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Yahoo mail 1 TB?
In-Reply-To: <1282285114.3466683.1394908299245.JavaMail.root@cds018>
References: <37f67d36329c4d66ac18fc0b6ef65eb6@AMSPR06MB311.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>,
	<1282285114.3466683.1394908299245.JavaMail.root@cds018>
Message-ID: <b56c0c0a58cc4699a976a65fc8e3c5a1@AMSPR06MB311.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Jim

Yes, basic features and storage space is free.

/gustav
________________________________________
Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com <dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> p? vegne af Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca>
Sendt: 15. marts 2014 19:31
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Yahoo mail 1 TB?

Hi Gustav:

I did not know that GMail was limited...I have been pouring emails in the account for years and as far as I know nothing is missing...but who knows and a message may appear up one saying that my space has ran out. ;-)

I have not checked; how much does Outlook on-line cost? Free for personal?

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, 15 March, 2014 11:04:09 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Yahoo mail 1 TB?

Hi Jim

Yes, GMail and Outlook.com defaults to 7 GB which still is a lot (my mailbox is only 4 GB). So 1 TB is close to "unlimited" for general use.
Much to my surprise and with no warning, Microsoft has just doubled the space on corporate Office 365 accounts to 50 GB so now I have 46 GB free. Great.

Outlook on-line has, by the way, evolved to an outstanding product. For example, I just pointed it to forward a copy to my new Yahoo backup account ... it was just to provide the account and password, everything else happened automatically. No fiddling with ports and so on. Things improve.

/gustav

From jbartow at winhaven.net  Sat Mar 15 13:52:56 2014
From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2014 13:52:56 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Yahoo mail 1 TB?
In-Reply-To: <8e564bad4d75421e8578a7a4d9e2adbc@AMSPR06MB311.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
References: <a79631adbd314c6fb83a7c6cd50542ae@AMSPR06MB311.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>,
	<1216473831.3173376.1394854649375.JavaMail.root@cds018>
	<8e564bad4d75421e8578a7a4d9e2adbc@AMSPR06MB311.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <019b01cf407f$c7a160a0$56e421e0$@winhaven.net>

Hi Gustav,
I have a number of clients on Yahoo emails accounts - mostly because AT&T
has Yahoo managing their email accounts. That is nice because if they switch
to another ISP they retain their email. Unfortunately the AT&T/Yahoo
accounts have been hacked so many times over the last few years that it is
incredible that Yahoo hasn't corrected this problem. It is a well-known
hack. Hacker breaks password for account, go into account and set the reply
to address to a spoofed (similar looking email account), then emails all
contacts in contact lists, then deletes all contacts and all inbox messages.
I have this happening with at least two people again this week.

I've had an account there for years. I deleted everything in it and just
maintain it to be able to train myself on their constant changes. (It is a
very frustrating service.)

I wouldn't recommend using AT&T/Yahoo email to anyone. :-(

I too have found that MS has greatly improved their online email service. I
recommend people use it. They offer hotmail.com, live.com and now
outlook.com email addresses. (So if you want to be very "retro" you could
still a Hotmail account :-)

They also include OneDrive space, web apps (Word, Excel, etc.) and as you
mentioned, it is very easy to bring in other email accounts. And the limited
ads that you do see can be eliminated for a small fee.

I think MS did a good job on this service.

Regards,
John B

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2014 12:30 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] Yahoo mail 1 TB?

Hi all

I created a Yahoo Mail account for some testing.
It claims to allow you to store 1 TB or about 54 millions e-mails for free?
And you have both POP3 and IMAP secure connections.

That's a lot. Any gotchas except that anything may not remain free, but
still?
It could serve as a zero cost backup option.

/gustav
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Sat Mar 15 14:05:07 2014
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2014 19:05:07 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Yahoo mail 1 TB?
In-Reply-To: <019b01cf407f$c7a160a0$56e421e0$@winhaven.net>
References: <a79631adbd314c6fb83a7c6cd50542ae@AMSPR06MB311.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>,
	<1216473831.3173376.1394854649375.JavaMail.root@cds018>
	<8e564bad4d75421e8578a7a4d9e2adbc@AMSPR06MB311.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>,
	<019b01cf407f$c7a160a0$56e421e0$@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <ed33ffc4d3354b8fa50af235813e2e03@AMSPR06MB311.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Hi John

That doesn't sound nice. 
Would there be any difference between AT&T/Yahoo accounts and a general Yahoo account?

/gustav

________________________________________
Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com <dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> p? vegne af John Bartow <jbartow at winhaven.net>
Sendt: 15. marts 2014 19:52
Til: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Yahoo mail 1 TB?

Hi Gustav,
I have a number of clients on Yahoo emails accounts - mostly because AT&T
has Yahoo managing their email accounts. That is nice because if they switch
to another ISP they retain their email. Unfortunately the AT&T/Yahoo
accounts have been hacked so many times over the last few years that it is
incredible that Yahoo hasn't corrected this problem. It is a well-known
hack. Hacker breaks password for account, go into account and set the reply
to address to a spoofed (similar looking email account), then emails all
contacts in contact lists, then deletes all contacts and all inbox messages.
I have this happening with at least two people again this week.

I've had an account there for years. I deleted everything in it and just
maintain it to be able to train myself on their constant changes. (It is a
very frustrating service.)

I wouldn't recommend using AT&T/Yahoo email to anyone. :-(

I too have found that MS has greatly improved their online email service. I
recommend people use it. They offer hotmail.com, live.com and now
outlook.com email addresses. (So if you want to be very "retro" you could
still a Hotmail account :-)

They also include OneDrive space, web apps (Word, Excel, etc.) and as you
mentioned, it is very easy to bring in other email accounts. And the limited
ads that you do see can be eliminated for a small fee.

I think MS did a good job on this service.

Regards,
John B

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2014 12:30 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] Yahoo mail 1 TB?

Hi all

I created a Yahoo Mail account for some testing.
It claims to allow you to store 1 TB or about 54 millions e-mails for free?
And you have both POP3 and IMAP secure connections.

That's a lot. Any gotchas except that anything may not remain free, but
still?
It could serve as a zero cost backup option.

/gustav

From accessd at shaw.ca  Sat Mar 15 14:06:37 2014
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2014 13:06:37 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Security
In-Reply-To: <37f67d36329c4d66ac18fc0b6ef65eb6@AMSPR06MB311.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <1818360624.3482588.1394910397900.JavaMail.root@cds018>

Hi all:

I have been asked to give a little talk about security to a company and it workers come Monday.

The subject of the speech will go something like this:

One, Make sure the router is set up property whether at the office or home. Change the password from the default, something around ten plus digits, a mix of numbers, upper and lower case and special characters. Older routers should be replaced as they can be hacked. If you want security, limit your dependency on Wi-Fi. (There is software out there that can read the Wi-Fi signal and I would suspect write it.) So don't use Wi-Fi in the office. Don't open any router ports other than 80 or 8080. If you do have to have other open ports, the Virtual drives are your friend...just set up your router to point towards the appropriate virtual drive's IP address triggered by the data arriving on a specific port number. (Note: limit ports open that do not have application continually listening on them.)   

Two, if you are using XP, start using another browser. The IE browsers supported by XP are not safe.

Three, watch what you open in your mail client. This is where most if not all malware originates from. If you are at work and if in doubt, never open it.

That is a quick off the top list of talking points. If anyone could recommend further important items to discuss it would be greatly appreciated.

MTIA

Jim 

From eptept at gmail.com  Sat Mar 15 14:48:23 2014
From: eptept at gmail.com (Ed Tesiny)
Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2014 15:48:23 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Security
In-Reply-To: <1818360624.3482588.1394910397900.JavaMail.root@cds018>
References: <37f67d36329c4d66ac18fc0b6ef65eb6@AMSPR06MB311.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
	<1818360624.3482588.1394910397900.JavaMail.root@cds018>
Message-ID: <CAEkqQpWWSo-G0X2d7za_nXV8dnoO9om=VxOVA2+qhCFKWY5tmA@mail.gmail.com>

Re: routers, I would recommend MAC addressing and of course some form of
encryption such as WEP.  Do fairly regular scans using Malware Bytes and
follow-up with Eusing scan of the registry.  AND as Dickford always
reminds, be careful on what you click and where you go!


On Sat, Mar 15, 2014 at 3:06 PM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> Hi all:
>
> I have been asked to give a little talk about security to a company and it
> workers come Monday.
>
> The subject of the speech will go something like this:
>
> One, Make sure the router is set up property whether at the office or
> home. Change the password from the default, something around ten plus
> digits, a mix of numbers, upper and lower case and special characters.
> Older routers should be replaced as they can be hacked. If you want
> security, limit your dependency on Wi-Fi. (There is software out there that
> can read the Wi-Fi signal and I would suspect write it.) So don't use Wi-Fi
> in the office. Don't open any router ports other than 80 or 8080. If you do
> have to have other open ports, the Virtual drives are your friend...just
> set up your router to point towards the appropriate virtual drive's IP
> address triggered by the data arriving on a specific port number. (Note:
> limit ports open that do not have application continually listening on
> them.)
>
> Two, if you are using XP, start using another browser. The IE browsers
> supported by XP are not safe.
>
> Three, watch what you open in your mail client. This is where most if not
> all malware originates from. If you are at work and if in doubt, never open
> it.
>
> That is a quick off the top list of talking points. If anyone could
> recommend further important items to discuss it would be greatly
> appreciated.
>
> MTIA
>
> Jim
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> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>

From djkr at msn.com  Sat Mar 15 17:26:04 2014
From: djkr at msn.com (DJK (John) Robinson)
Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2014 22:26:04 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Security
In-Reply-To: <CAEkqQpWWSo-G0X2d7za_nXV8dnoO9om=VxOVA2+qhCFKWY5tmA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP284220C432F89FA55509312D2730@phx.gbl>

But *not* WEP - the Weakest Ever Protocol!  (actually Wired Equivalent)

It's VERY easily and routinely cracked.  Use at least WPA/WPA2.

John


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Ed Tesiny
Sent: 15 March 2014 19:48
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Security


Re: routers, I would recommend MAC addressing and of course some form of encryption such as WEP.  Do fairly regular
scans using Malware Bytes and follow-up with Eusing scan of the registry.  AND as Dickford always reminds, be careful on
what you click and where you go!


On Sat, Mar 15, 2014 at 3:06 PM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> Hi all:
>
> I have been asked to give a little talk about security to a company 
> and it workers come Monday.
>
> The subject of the speech will go something like this:
>
> One, Make sure the router is set up property whether at the office or 
> home. Change the password from the default, something around ten plus 
> digits, a mix of numbers, upper and lower case and special characters. 
> Older routers should be replaced as they can be hacked. If you want 
> security, limit your dependency on Wi-Fi. (There is software out there 
> that can read the Wi-Fi signal and I would suspect write it.) So don't 
> use Wi-Fi in the office. Don't open any router ports other than 80 or 
> 8080. If you do have to have other open ports, the Virtual drives are 
> your friend...just set up your router to point towards the appropriate 
> virtual drive's IP address triggered by the data arriving on a 
> specific port number. (Note: limit ports open that do not have 
> application continually listening on
> them.)
>
> Two, if you are using XP, start using another browser. The IE browsers 
> supported by XP are not safe.
>
> Three, watch what you open in your mail client. This is where most if 
> not all malware originates from. If you are at work and if in doubt, 
> never open it.
>
> That is a quick off the top list of talking points. If anyone could 
> recommend further important items to discuss it would be greatly 
> appreciated.
>
> MTIA
>
> Jim
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com 
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
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From djkr at msn.com  Sat Mar 15 17:33:09 2014
From: djkr at msn.com (DJK (John) Robinson)
Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2014 22:33:09 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Security
In-Reply-To: <1818360624.3482588.1394910397900.JavaMail.root@cds018>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP255C3E8D95FDA7A296A158DD2730@phx.gbl>

Hi Jim

First of all, stress the *need* for security, and the fact that there are career criminals and malcontents determined to
breach your defences.

Secondly, never assume that your defence is 100%, because it's not.  Don't be complacent!

Then, get on to the nitty-gritty details ...

It's inculcating a culture of security-mindedness that is key.

John


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: 15 March 2014 19:07
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] Security


Hi all:

I have been asked to give a little talk about security to a company and it workers come Monday.

The subject of the speech will go something like this:

One, Make sure the router is set up property whether at the office or home. Change the password from the default,
something around ten plus digits, a mix of numbers, upper and lower case and special characters. Older routers should be
replaced as they can be hacked. If you want security, limit your dependency on Wi-Fi. (There is software out there that
can read the Wi-Fi signal and I would suspect write it.) So don't use Wi-Fi in the office. Don't open any router ports
other than 80 or 8080. If you do have to have other open ports, the Virtual drives are your friend...just set up your
router to point towards the appropriate virtual drive's IP address triggered by the data arriving on a specific port
number. (Note: limit ports open that do not have application continually listening on them.)   

Two, if you are using XP, start using another browser. The IE browsers supported by XP are not safe.

Three, watch what you open in your mail client. This is where most if not all malware originates from. If you are at
work and if in doubt, never open it.

That is a quick off the top list of talking points. If anyone could recommend further important items to discuss it
would be greatly appreciated.

MTIA

Jim 
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From eptept at gmail.com  Sat Mar 15 18:14:52 2014
From: eptept at gmail.com (Ed Tesiny)
Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2014 19:14:52 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Security
In-Reply-To: <BLU0-SMTP255C3E8D95FDA7A296A158DD2730@phx.gbl>
References: <1818360624.3482588.1394910397900.JavaMail.root@cds018>
	<BLU0-SMTP255C3E8D95FDA7A296A158DD2730@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <CAEkqQpXt9UQwm5nEb_WoZTCj9b026s4zo0FWUR2uJXynxKKWVg@mail.gmail.com>

So with MAC addressing and all, I'm off base??


On Sat, Mar 15, 2014 at 6:33 PM, DJK (John) Robinson <djkr at msn.com> wrote:

> Hi Jim
>
> First of all, stress the *need* for security, and the fact that there are
> career criminals and malcontents determined to
> breach your defences.
>
> Secondly, never assume that your defence is 100%, because it's not.  Don't
> be complacent!
>
> Then, get on to the nitty-gritty details ...
>
> It's inculcating a culture of security-mindedness that is key.
>
> John
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:
> dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
> Sent: 15 March 2014 19:07
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: [dba-Tech] Security
>
>
> Hi all:
>
> I have been asked to give a little talk about security to a company and it
> workers come Monday.
>
> The subject of the speech will go something like this:
>
> One, Make sure the router is set up property whether at the office or
> home. Change the password from the default,
> something around ten plus digits, a mix of numbers, upper and lower case
> and special characters. Older routers should be
> replaced as they can be hacked. If you want security, limit your
> dependency on Wi-Fi. (There is software out there that
> can read the Wi-Fi signal and I would suspect write it.) So don't use
> Wi-Fi in the office. Don't open any router ports
> other than 80 or 8080. If you do have to have other open ports, the
> Virtual drives are your friend...just set up your
> router to point towards the appropriate virtual drive's IP address
> triggered by the data arriving on a specific port
> number. (Note: limit ports open that do not have application continually
> listening on them.)
>
> Two, if you are using XP, start using another browser. The IE browsers
> supported by XP are not safe.
>
> Three, watch what you open in your mail client. This is where most if not
> all malware originates from. If you are at
> work and if in doubt, never open it.
>
> That is a quick off the top list of talking points. If anyone could
> recommend further important items to discuss it
> would be greatly appreciated.
>
> MTIA
>
> Jim
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>
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>

From djkr at msn.com  Sat Mar 15 19:34:44 2014
From: djkr at msn.com (DJK (John) Robinson)
Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2014 00:34:44 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Security
In-Reply-To: <CAEkqQpXt9UQwm5nEb_WoZTCj9b026s4zo0FWUR2uJXynxKKWVg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP360419F47D9FE77A0126842D2720@phx.gbl>

Hi Ed

I wasn't saying that.  The details are important, but people tend to take a list of details at face value, check them
off, then assume they are secure - which they're not.  You're never done with security.  There are always new threats.
People quickly get bored, and lax, with security.

John


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Ed Tesiny
Sent: 15 March 2014 23:15
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Security


So with MAC addressing and all, I'm off base??


On Sat, Mar 15, 2014 at 6:33 PM, DJK (John) Robinson <djkr at msn.com> wrote:

> Hi Jim
>
> First of all, stress the *need* for security, and the fact that there 
> are career criminals and malcontents determined to breach your 
> defences.
>
> Secondly, never assume that your defence is 100%, because it's not.  
> Don't be complacent!
>
> Then, get on to the nitty-gritty details ...
>
> It's inculcating a culture of security-mindedness that is key.
>
> John
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto: 
> dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
> Sent: 15 March 2014 19:07
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: [dba-Tech] Security
>
>
> Hi all:
>
> I have been asked to give a little talk about security to a company 
> and it workers come Monday.
>
> The subject of the speech will go something like this:
>
> One, Make sure the router is set up property whether at the office or 
> home. Change the password from the default, something around ten plus 
> digits, a mix of numbers, upper and lower case and special characters. 
> Older routers should be replaced as they can be hacked. If you want 
> security, limit your dependency on Wi-Fi. (There is software out there 
> that can read the Wi-Fi signal and I would suspect write it.) So don't 
> use Wi-Fi in the office. Don't open any router ports
> other than 80 or 8080. If you do have to have other open ports, the
> Virtual drives are your friend...just set up your
> router to point towards the appropriate virtual drive's IP address
> triggered by the data arriving on a specific port
> number. (Note: limit ports open that do not have application continually
> listening on them.)
>
> Two, if you are using XP, start using another browser. The IE browsers 
> supported by XP are not safe.
>
> Three, watch what you open in your mail client. This is where most if 
> not all malware originates from. If you are at work and if in doubt, 
> never open it.
>
> That is a quick off the top list of talking points. If anyone could 
> recommend further important items to discuss it would be greatly 
> appreciated.
>
> MTIA
>
> Jim
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com 
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>
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> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com 
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
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>
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From jbartow at winhaven.net  Sat Mar 15 23:09:53 2014
From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2014 23:09:53 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Yahoo mail 1 TB?
In-Reply-To: <ed33ffc4d3354b8fa50af235813e2e03@AMSPR06MB311.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
References: <a79631adbd314c6fb83a7c6cd50542ae@AMSPR06MB311.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>,
	<1216473831.3173376.1394854649375.JavaMail.root@cds018>	<8e564bad4d75421e8578a7a4d9e2adbc@AMSPR06MB311.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>,
	<019b01cf407f$c7a160a0$56e421e0$@winhaven.net>
	<ed33ffc4d3354b8fa50af235813e2e03@AMSPR06MB311.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <01cc01cf40cd$9662bb80$c3283280$@winhaven.net>

Hi Gustav,
I don't believe so as AT& users can login from the Yahoo.com UI.

Just this afternoon I had another home customer text me that their Yahoo
account had been hacked. They do not have an AT&T email domain but a direct
Yahoo.com account.  :-(

John B

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2014 2:05 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Yahoo mail 1 TB?

Hi John

That doesn't sound nice. 
Would there be any difference between AT&T/Yahoo accounts and a general
Yahoo account?

/gustav

________________________________________
Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
<dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> p? vegne af John Bartow
<jbartow at winhaven.net>
Sendt: 15. marts 2014 19:52
Til: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Yahoo mail 1 TB?

Hi Gustav,
I have a number of clients on Yahoo emails accounts - mostly because AT&T
has Yahoo managing their email accounts. That is nice because if they switch
to another ISP they retain their email. Unfortunately the AT&T/Yahoo
accounts have been hacked so many times over the last few years that it is
incredible that Yahoo hasn't corrected this problem. It is a well-known
hack. Hacker breaks password for account, go into account and set the reply
to address to a spoofed (similar looking email account), then emails all
contacts in contact lists, then deletes all contacts and all inbox messages.
I have this happening with at least two people again this week.

I've had an account there for years. I deleted everything in it and just
maintain it to be able to train myself on their constant changes. (It is a
very frustrating service.)

I wouldn't recommend using AT&T/Yahoo email to anyone. :-(

I too have found that MS has greatly improved their online email service. I
recommend people use it. They offer hotmail.com, live.com and now
outlook.com email addresses. (So if you want to be very "retro" you could
still a Hotmail account :-)

They also include OneDrive space, web apps (Word, Excel, etc.) and as you
mentioned, it is very easy to bring in other email accounts. And the limited
ads that you do see can be eliminated for a small fee.

I think MS did a good job on this service.

Regards,
John B

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2014 12:30 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] Yahoo mail 1 TB?

Hi all

I created a Yahoo Mail account for some testing.
It claims to allow you to store 1 TB or about 54 millions e-mails for free?
And you have both POP3 and IMAP secure connections.

That's a lot. Any gotchas except that anything may not remain free, but
still?
It could serve as a zero cost backup option.

/gustav
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sat Mar 15 23:38:13 2014
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2014 22:38:13 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Security
In-Reply-To: <BLU0-SMTP255C3E8D95FDA7A296A158DD2730@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <1098458140.3677020.1394944693700.JavaMail.root@cds018>

Hi John:

Yes  WPA/WPA2...but unfortunately, it seems that signals from a Wi-Fi, if close enough can be intercepted, say like an adjacent store and as I understand it, they are not encrypted. (I posted a link to a site that hosts a huge inventory of hacks, a couple of weeks ago on the DBA-Tech list, that has all sorts of tests for breaking into our standard cheap bottom end routers like DLinks...really easy...Wi-Fi, old defective bios code and default weak password is the major hole according to sites tools.) 

Aside: IMHO, the NSA revelations have done a lot to encourage people to strengthen their personal and company security. Most of the NSA hacks were just purchased or ripped off from various market-place hack selling sites, on the web. It is all be business. Nowadays, I think the only virus detection application that can be trusted is from Kaspersky labs as they were the only company that officially detected a number of state sponsored malware....US, Israeli and Russian. Of course the only real protection is anything that is encrypted with something like AES 256. 

You are right, security can never be 100 percent. The only hope is to make it as difficult and expensive as possible for anyone trying to breach defences.

Jim  

----- Original Message -----
From: "DJK (John) Robinson" <djkr at msn.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2014 3:33:09 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Security

Hi Jim

First of all, stress the *need* for security, and the fact that there are career criminals and malcontents determined to
breach your defences.

Secondly, never assume that your defence is 100%, because it's not.  Don't be complacent!

Then, get on to the nitty-gritty details ...

It's inculcating a culture of security-mindedness that is key.

John


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: 15 March 2014 19:07
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] Security


Hi all:

I have been asked to give a little talk about security to a company and it workers come Monday.

The subject of the speech will go something like this:

One, Make sure the router is set up property whether at the office or home. Change the password from the default,
something around ten plus digits, a mix of numbers, upper and lower case and special characters. Older routers should be
replaced as they can be hacked. If you want security, limit your dependency on Wi-Fi. (There is software out there that
can read the Wi-Fi signal and I would suspect write it.) So don't use Wi-Fi in the office. Don't open any router ports
other than 80 or 8080. If you do have to have other open ports, the Virtual drives are your friend...just set up your
router to point towards the appropriate virtual drive's IP address triggered by the data arriving on a specific port
number. (Note: limit ports open that do not have application continually listening on them.)   

Two, if you are using XP, start using another browser. The IE browsers supported by XP are not safe.

Three, watch what you open in your mail client. This is where most if not all malware originates from. If you are at
work and if in doubt, never open it.

That is a quick off the top list of talking points. If anyone could recommend further important items to discuss it
would be greatly appreciated.

MTIA

Jim 
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sat Mar 15 23:47:35 2014
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2014 22:47:35 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Yahoo mail 1 TB?
In-Reply-To: <01cc01cf40cd$9662bb80$c3283280$@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <1430699034.3679007.1394945255617.JavaMail.root@cds018>

Sign...some things never change. 

I wonder if the week link was at the Yahoo account or at the chair, in front of the keyboard?

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "John Bartow" <jbartow at winhaven.net>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2014 9:09:53 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Yahoo mail 1 TB?

Hi Gustav,
I don't believe so as AT& users can login from the Yahoo.com UI.

Just this afternoon I had another home customer text me that their Yahoo
account had been hacked. They do not have an AT&T email domain but a direct
Yahoo.com account.  :-(

John B

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2014 2:05 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Yahoo mail 1 TB?

Hi John

That doesn't sound nice. 
Would there be any difference between AT&T/Yahoo accounts and a general
Yahoo account?

/gustav

________________________________________
Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
<dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> p? vegne af John Bartow
<jbartow at winhaven.net>
Sendt: 15. marts 2014 19:52
Til: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Yahoo mail 1 TB?

Hi Gustav,
I have a number of clients on Yahoo emails accounts - mostly because AT&T
has Yahoo managing their email accounts. That is nice because if they switch
to another ISP they retain their email. Unfortunately the AT&T/Yahoo
accounts have been hacked so many times over the last few years that it is
incredible that Yahoo hasn't corrected this problem. It is a well-known
hack. Hacker breaks password for account, go into account and set the reply
to address to a spoofed (similar looking email account), then emails all
contacts in contact lists, then deletes all contacts and all inbox messages.
I have this happening with at least two people again this week.

I've had an account there for years. I deleted everything in it and just
maintain it to be able to train myself on their constant changes. (It is a
very frustrating service.)

I wouldn't recommend using AT&T/Yahoo email to anyone. :-(

I too have found that MS has greatly improved their online email service. I
recommend people use it. They offer hotmail.com, live.com and now
outlook.com email addresses. (So if you want to be very "retro" you could
still a Hotmail account :-)

They also include OneDrive space, web apps (Word, Excel, etc.) and as you
mentioned, it is very easy to bring in other email accounts. And the limited
ads that you do see can be eliminated for a small fee.

I think MS did a good job on this service.

Regards,
John B

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2014 12:30 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] Yahoo mail 1 TB?

Hi all

I created a Yahoo Mail account for some testing.
It claims to allow you to store 1 TB or about 54 millions e-mails for free?
And you have both POP3 and IMAP secure connections.

That's a lot. Any gotchas except that anything may not remain free, but
still?
It could serve as a zero cost backup option.

/gustav
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Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com


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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sun Mar 16 00:29:27 2014
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2014 23:29:27 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Security
In-Reply-To: <CAEkqQpXt9UQwm5nEb_WoZTCj9b026s4zo0FWUR2uJXynxKKWVg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1436289693.3689772.1394947767097.JavaMail.root@cds018>

Hi Ed:

Mac addressing may be better in some instances as they are static but IP address can be hard-wired too...I am not a fan of flexible IP addresses as they can end up causing errors due to address conflict. The bigger the network the more chance for problems even though automatic allocation is supposed to solve that problem. I tend to assign address ranges depending on the department and the types of systems; ie printers. Then servers should all be invisible on the network so their addresses can not be changing. Then there is all the routers and switches which must be static. Mac addresses are great as they are static but can cause issues if they are used to cross-reference with IP addresses as the hardware or just the NIC are always being replaced.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ed Tesiny" <eptept at gmail.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2014 4:14:52 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Security

So with MAC addressing and all, I'm off base??


On Sat, Mar 15, 2014 at 6:33 PM, DJK (John) Robinson <djkr at msn.com> wrote:

> Hi Jim
>
> First of all, stress the *need* for security, and the fact that there are
> career criminals and malcontents determined to
> breach your defences.
>
> Secondly, never assume that your defence is 100%, because it's not.  Don't
> be complacent!
>
> Then, get on to the nitty-gritty details ...
>
> It's inculcating a culture of security-mindedness that is key.
>
> John
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:
> dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
> Sent: 15 March 2014 19:07
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: [dba-Tech] Security
>
>
> Hi all:
>
> I have been asked to give a little talk about security to a company and it
> workers come Monday.
>
> The subject of the speech will go something like this:
>
> One, Make sure the router is set up property whether at the office or
> home. Change the password from the default,
> something around ten plus digits, a mix of numbers, upper and lower case
> and special characters. Older routers should be
> replaced as they can be hacked. If you want security, limit your
> dependency on Wi-Fi. (There is software out there that
> can read the Wi-Fi signal and I would suspect write it.) So don't use
> Wi-Fi in the office. Don't open any router ports
> other than 80 or 8080. If you do have to have other open ports, the
> Virtual drives are your friend...just set up your
> router to point towards the appropriate virtual drive's IP address
> triggered by the data arriving on a specific port
> number. (Note: limit ports open that do not have application continually
> listening on them.)
>
> Two, if you are using XP, start using another browser. The IE browsers
> supported by XP are not safe.
>
> Three, watch what you open in your mail client. This is where most if not
> all malware originates from. If you are at
> work and if in doubt, never open it.
>
> That is a quick off the top list of talking points. If anyone could
> recommend further important items to discuss it
> would be greatly appreciated.
>
> MTIA
>
> Jim
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From eptept at gmail.com  Sun Mar 16 06:30:00 2014
From: eptept at gmail.com (Ed Tesiny)
Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2014 07:30:00 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Security
In-Reply-To: <1436289693.3689772.1394947767097.JavaMail.root@cds018>
References: <CAEkqQpXt9UQwm5nEb_WoZTCj9b026s4zo0FWUR2uJXynxKKWVg@mail.gmail.com>
	<1436289693.3689772.1394947767097.JavaMail.root@cds018>
Message-ID: <CAEkqQpVifwg6=VECajzha3DrFftNk0kfp53=YB6FbLtP9UZN5w@mail.gmail.com>

Jim,
I'm just running a home network and in the many years I've been doing it,
the only issues that have risen is from when you click the mouse.  I
understand, you're talking large or company networks.


On Sun, Mar 16, 2014 at 1:29 AM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> Hi Ed:
>
> Mac addressing may be better in some instances as they are static but IP
> address can be hard-wired too...I am not a fan of flexible IP addresses as
> they can end up causing errors due to address conflict. The bigger the
> network the more chance for problems even though automatic allocation is
> supposed to solve that problem. I tend to assign address ranges depending
> on the department and the types of systems; ie printers. Then servers
> should all be invisible on the network so their addresses can not be
> changing. Then there is all the routers and switches which must be static.
> Mac addresses are great as they are static but can cause issues if they are
> used to cross-reference with IP addresses as the hardware or just the NIC
> are always being replaced.
>
> Jim
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ed Tesiny" <eptept at gmail.com>
> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <
> dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2014 4:14:52 PM
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Security
>
> So with MAC addressing and all, I'm off base??
>
>
> On Sat, Mar 15, 2014 at 6:33 PM, DJK (John) Robinson <djkr at msn.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi Jim
> >
> > First of all, stress the *need* for security, and the fact that there are
> > career criminals and malcontents determined to
> > breach your defences.
> >
> > Secondly, never assume that your defence is 100%, because it's not.
>  Don't
> > be complacent!
> >
> > Then, get on to the nitty-gritty details ...
> >
> > It's inculcating a culture of security-mindedness that is key.
> >
> > John
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:
> > dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
> > Sent: 15 March 2014 19:07
> > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> > Subject: [dba-Tech] Security
> >
> >
> > Hi all:
> >
> > I have been asked to give a little talk about security to a company and
> it
> > workers come Monday.
> >
> > The subject of the speech will go something like this:
> >
> > One, Make sure the router is set up property whether at the office or
> > home. Change the password from the default,
> > something around ten plus digits, a mix of numbers, upper and lower case
> > and special characters. Older routers should be
> > replaced as they can be hacked. If you want security, limit your
> > dependency on Wi-Fi. (There is software out there that
> > can read the Wi-Fi signal and I would suspect write it.) So don't use
> > Wi-Fi in the office. Don't open any router ports
> > other than 80 or 8080. If you do have to have other open ports, the
> > Virtual drives are your friend...just set up your
> > router to point towards the appropriate virtual drive's IP address
> > triggered by the data arriving on a specific port
> > number. (Note: limit ports open that do not have application continually
> > listening on them.)
> >
> > Two, if you are using XP, start using another browser. The IE browsers
> > supported by XP are not safe.
> >
> > Three, watch what you open in your mail client. This is where most if not
> > all malware originates from. If you are at
> > work and if in doubt, never open it.
> >
> > That is a quick off the top list of talking points. If anyone could
> > recommend further important items to discuss it
> > would be greatly appreciated.
> >
> > MTIA
> >
> > Jim
> > _______________________________________________
> > dba-Tech mailing list
> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
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> >
> >
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Sun Mar 16 09:52:21 2014
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2014 10:52:21 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Problems with IBM P4
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1hzsGQ9xq9CpMamzG+R70ucSXaioeiq5tVchdNsW2-Cug@mail.gmail.com>

My friend has some problems with an old IBM P4 desktop, with a Phoenix
BIOS,  which can probably be circumvented with a boot from a CD, which I
have on hand. My question is this: what magic keystroke gets me into the
BIOS so I can switch drive boot orders and make the CD drive the initial
boot drive?

TIA,

-- 
Arthur

From gustav at cactus.dk  Sun Mar 16 09:56:12 2014
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2014 14:56:12 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Problems with IBM P4
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1hzsGQ9xq9CpMamzG+R70ucSXaioeiq5tVchdNsW2-Cug@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1hzsGQ9xq9CpMamzG+R70ucSXaioeiq5tVchdNsW2-Cug@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <38c7e571453f4a85ac1de8123a897276@AMSPR06MB311.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Arthur

It's usually F1 for the setup and F12 for the boot menu.

/gustav

__________________________________
Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com <dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> p? vegne af Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
Sendt: 16. marts 2014 15:52
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Emne: [dba-Tech] Problems with IBM P4

My friend has some problems with an old IBM P4 desktop, with a Phoenix
BIOS,  which can probably be circumvented with a boot from a CD, which I
have on hand. My question is this: what magic keystroke gets me into the
BIOS so I can switch drive boot orders and make the CD drive the initial
boot drive?

TIA,

--
Arthur


From gustav at cactus.dk  Sun Mar 16 16:03:14 2014
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2014 21:03:14 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] LogMeIn is no more
In-Reply-To: <s2e6bd4d.042@cactus.dk>
References: <s2e6bd4d.042@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <1c9ea7eb8e524db1b2b1ab8b7f6ffac9@AMSPR06MB311.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Jim et al

As mentioned elsewhere, we settled with Remote Utilities and the free version for commercial use and ten hosts:

    http://www.remoteutilities.com

Note that the viewers are free (no license).

/gustav

________________________________________
Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com <dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> p? vegne af Gustav Brock
Sendt: 27. januar 2014 20:10
Til: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] LogMeIn is no more

Hi Jim

I've found Splashtop close to useless. Controlling an older XP machine takes minutes where it should take seconds.
So I installed it on a local Windows 7 machine with i3 cpu, and that could be controlled with a high degree of patience but still useless for work.

Then I installed TeamViewer and it rushed away at once, much like standard remote desktop and as LogMeIn does.

So sadly, Splashtop may be fine for mobile devices (didn't try that, don't have the need) but not as an alternative for desktop use.

/gustav


>>> accessd at shaw.ca 26-01-14 19:53 >>>
Hi Gustav:

I have found similar and other issues with Splashtop Remote as well. Keep us posted on what you find out with Teamviewer.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2014 1:29:45 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] LogMeIn is no more

Hi Jim

No it was Splashtop I checked out. On that old WinXp host it takes 1:45 to open a tiny text file, render it, and close it again. With LogMeIn on that machine you can perform normal tasks though not speedy. This is across a 2 Mb/s WAN. RDP runs at close to normal working speed.

I noticed that when Splashtop open the connection to the machine, the splashtop service at once goes to 95% CPU usage where LogMeIn would stay at a few percent.

I have yet to test Teamviewer, but the license model is very inflexible.

/gustav

>>> accessd at shaw.ca 26-01-14 0:29 >>>
Hi Gustav:

I had OpenVPN running from a (Linux) server at my home and found the performance was more the adequate in allowing me to access all networks station (Linux and Windows), from another city.

If you tried to run an OpenVPN server on just an old XP box, one on which requires a extra translation layer, it was surprising that it actually worked at all. ;-) XP runs an OpenVPN client just fine though.

The application of course is going to be much slower than an app like Splashtop Desktop where only keyboard type inputs are sent one way and images are sent the other. A VPN is an encrypted tunnel...with a lot more overhead...privacy and security is the expectation.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2014 1:59:38 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] LogMeIn is no more

Hi Jim

I'm not sure. I just tried to install it on a WinXP machine and remote control that from my Win8.1 Desktop. It is so slow over a 2 Mb/s line that it is useless, much slower than even VNC. The Windows App doesn't work at all.

What about OpenVPN? It seems to require that you run a server of your own?

/gustav

>>> accessd at shaw.ca 25-01-14 21:43 >>>
Hi Gustav:

It looks like that may be the best quick answer. As for any large sites maybe a OpenVPN server (http://openvpn.net) on the client's server may be the best long term answer and from there, I can just RDP in or connect via the shares to all the stations.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2014 11:23:43 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] LogMeIn is no more

Hi Jim et all

Splashtop seems to win on a simple commercial pricing where indeed TeamViewer is very limited regarding installs and "channels":

1.Simple, affordable pricing model * $60 per user per year, to remotely control an unlimited number of computers from an unlimited number of devices.

And they even feature a Windows Phone app. I like that, though I'll probably never use it.

/gustav


>>> gustav at cactus.dk 25-01-14 20:12 >>>
Hi Jim

Splashtop works across firewalls if you sign up for the web access option.

/gustav

>>> accessd at shaw.ca 25-01-14 19:30 >>>
Hi Gustav:

I found out the LogMeIn was dead when my client told me it wasn't working...very upsetting and to my way of thinking not very unprofessional. It will be a while before I will endorse the product again, if ever.

I had initially been interested in Splashtop remote, but according to the attached article there may be issues with firewalls and therefore routers? This will require further investigation. Splashtop remote is supposed to be very fast and also runs on all platforms so I have not abandoned its potential use yet.

Teamviewer might be the more appropriate choice...any thoughts?

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2014 9:57:09 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] LogMeIn is no more

Hi Jim

Even as a loyal user, this was such a surprise to me that I posted this to the forum:

<quote>
"As a help to our loyal users we'll give you 60, no 30, no 7 (seven) days to ..."

Sorry, this is not a way to address loyal users. We're off.
I'm quite sure the competion will know how to not pertinently address loyal users.

Even after 30 years in this business, the way suppliers can address customers still surprises me. Some people are not educated, I've realized, or just plain stupid.
</quote>

Now, what was the name of the very interesting newcomer, you told about not so long ago, please?

/gustav


>>> accessd at shaw.ca 25-01-14 18:34 >>>
Hi All:

Well the truth is LogMeIn is still there but now the model is pay-as-you-go. Today I will be running around to a couple of clients and replacing their remote products...but I still have not decided which one is best. I am sort of leaning towards Splashtop Remote...any thought?

http://www.infoworld.com/t/free-tools/locked-out-of-logmein-check-out-these-free-alternatives-234812

Jim


From jbartow at winhaven.net  Sun Mar 16 20:55:43 2014
From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2014 20:55:43 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Yahoo mail 1 TB?
In-Reply-To: <1430699034.3679007.1394945255617.JavaMail.root@cds018>
References: <01cc01cf40cd$9662bb80$c3283280$@winhaven.net>
	<1430699034.3679007.1394945255617.JavaMail.root@cds018>
Message-ID: <025701cf4184$0268b9e0$073a2da0$@winhaven.net>

This happens far too frequently to be end user related. Its Yahoo. There's something amiss there.

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2014 11:48 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Yahoo mail 1 TB?

Sign...some things never change. 

I wonder if the week link was at the Yahoo account or at the chair, in front of the keyboard?

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "John Bartow" <jbartow at winhaven.net>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2014 9:09:53 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Yahoo mail 1 TB?

Hi Gustav,
I don't believe so as AT& users can login from the Yahoo.com UI.

Just this afternoon I had another home customer text me that their Yahoo account had been hacked. They do not have an AT&T email domain but a direct Yahoo.com account.  :-(

John B

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2014 2:05 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Yahoo mail 1 TB?

Hi John

That doesn't sound nice. 
Would there be any difference between AT&T/Yahoo accounts and a general Yahoo account?

/gustav

________________________________________
Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
<dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> p? vegne af John Bartow <jbartow at winhaven.net>
Sendt: 15. marts 2014 19:52
Til: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Yahoo mail 1 TB?

Hi Gustav,
I have a number of clients on Yahoo emails accounts - mostly because AT&T has Yahoo managing their email accounts. That is nice because if they switch to another ISP they retain their email. Unfortunately the AT&T/Yahoo accounts have been hacked so many times over the last few years that it is incredible that Yahoo hasn't corrected this problem. It is a well-known hack. Hacker breaks password for account, go into account and set the reply to address to a spoofed (similar looking email account), then emails all contacts in contact lists, then deletes all contacts and all inbox messages.
I have this happening with at least two people again this week.

I've had an account there for years. I deleted everything in it and just maintain it to be able to train myself on their constant changes. (It is a very frustrating service.)

I wouldn't recommend using AT&T/Yahoo email to anyone. :-(

I too have found that MS has greatly improved their online email service. I recommend people use it. They offer hotmail.com, live.com and now outlook.com email addresses. (So if you want to be very "retro" you could still a Hotmail account :-)

They also include OneDrive space, web apps (Word, Excel, etc.) and as you mentioned, it is very easy to bring in other email accounts. And the limited ads that you do see can be eliminated for a small fee.

I think MS did a good job on this service.

Regards,
John B

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2014 12:30 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] Yahoo mail 1 TB?

Hi all

I created a Yahoo Mail account for some testing.
It claims to allow you to store 1 TB or about 54 millions e-mails for free?
And you have both POP3 and IMAP secure connections.

That's a lot. Any gotchas except that anything may not remain free, but still?
It could serve as a zero cost backup option.

/gustav
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From jbartow at winhaven.net  Sun Mar 16 20:55:43 2014
From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2014 20:55:43 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Security
In-Reply-To: <1098458140.3677020.1394944693700.JavaMail.root@cds018>
References: <BLU0-SMTP255C3E8D95FDA7A296A158DD2730@phx.gbl>
	<1098458140.3677020.1394944693700.JavaMail.root@cds018>
Message-ID: <025901cf4184$02ff7ba0$08fe72e0$@winhaven.net>

You're kidding right? Kaspersky's labs might be great at figuring out some
of the hardest things to detect but their security hardly foolproof. Since
Best Buy hawks it around here it has made my top ten list of system to
cleanup. Nowhere near McAfee/Norton/MSSE/AVG but still in the top ten.

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2014 11:38 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Security

Nowadays, I think the only virus detection application that can be trusted
is from Kaspersky labs as they were the only company that officially
detected a number of state sponsored malware....US, Israeli and Russian. 


From marklbreen at gmail.com  Mon Mar 17 07:09:54 2014
From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen)
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2014 12:09:54 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] LogMeIn is no more
In-Reply-To: <1c9ea7eb8e524db1b2b1ab8b7f6ffac9@AMSPR06MB311.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
References: <s2e6bd4d.042@cactus.dk>
	<1c9ea7eb8e524db1b2b1ab8b7f6ffac9@AMSPR06MB311.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CAGXtTChXsQXPgZTsC+UHWormXhkQDKhgiD6A2PRdv=NhTsnjNQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hello All,

I use Hamachi since Mr Colby introduced us to it in 2007.  For me it works
great.  I have about 5 hamachi networks and I pay about $30 per year per
network.  Once I set up Hamachi for a client, I can access up to 30 of
their machines on that same hamachi network.

I never did use LogMeIn, if I needed rdp access to a machine, I installed
Hamachi on it and then did a regular rdp.

My question to the group is am I missing something?

Given that I already am familiar with Hamachi and it is not difficult to
install, is there a reason to use LetMeIn (free or not).

Gustav, thank you for the link, I had a look at it but am still wondering
if I am missing something that makes my hamachi solution cumbersome?

Happy St Patrick's day to all.

thanks

Mark






On 16 March 2014 21:03, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Hi Jim et al
>
> As mentioned elsewhere, we settled with Remote Utilities and the free
> version for commercial use and ten hosts:
>
>     http://www.remoteutilities.com
>
> Note that the viewers are free (no license).
>
> /gustav
>
> ________________________________________
> Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com <
> dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> p? vegne af Gustav Brock
> Sendt: 27. januar 2014 20:10
> Til: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
> Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] LogMeIn is no more
>
> Hi Jim
>
> I've found Splashtop close to useless. Controlling an older XP machine
> takes minutes where it should take seconds.
> So I installed it on a local Windows 7 machine with i3 cpu, and that could
> be controlled with a high degree of patience but still useless for work.
>
> Then I installed TeamViewer and it rushed away at once, much like standard
> remote desktop and as LogMeIn does.
>
> So sadly, Splashtop may be fine for mobile devices (didn't try that, don't
> have the need) but not as an alternative for desktop use.
>
> /gustav
>
>
> >>> accessd at shaw.ca 26-01-14 19:53 >>>
> Hi Gustav:
>
> I have found similar and other issues with Splashtop Remote as well. Keep
> us posted on what you find out with Teamviewer.
>
> Jim
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
> To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
> Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2014 1:29:45 AM
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] LogMeIn is no more
>
> Hi Jim
>
> No it was Splashtop I checked out. On that old WinXp host it takes 1:45 to
> open a tiny text file, render it, and close it again. With LogMeIn on that
> machine you can perform normal tasks though not speedy. This is across a 2
> Mb/s WAN. RDP runs at close to normal working speed.
>
> I noticed that when Splashtop open the connection to the machine, the
> splashtop service at once goes to 95% CPU usage where LogMeIn would stay at
> a few percent.
>
> I have yet to test Teamviewer, but the license model is very inflexible.
>
> /gustav
>
> >>> accessd at shaw.ca 26-01-14 0:29 >>>
> Hi Gustav:
>
> I had OpenVPN running from a (Linux) server at my home and found the
> performance was more the adequate in allowing me to access all networks
> station (Linux and Windows), from another city.
>
> If you tried to run an OpenVPN server on just an old XP box, one on which
> requires a extra translation layer, it was surprising that it actually
> worked at all. ;-) XP runs an OpenVPN client just fine though.
>
> The application of course is going to be much slower than an app like
> Splashtop Desktop where only keyboard type inputs are sent one way and
> images are sent the other. A VPN is an encrypted tunnel...with a lot more
> overhead...privacy and security is the expectation.
>
> Jim
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
> To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
> Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2014 1:59:38 PM
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] LogMeIn is no more
>
> Hi Jim
>
> I'm not sure. I just tried to install it on a WinXP machine and remote
> control that from my Win8.1 Desktop. It is so slow over a 2 Mb/s line that
> it is useless, much slower than even VNC. The Windows App doesn't work at
> all.
>
> What about OpenVPN? It seems to require that you run a server of your own?
>
> /gustav
>
> >>> accessd at shaw.ca 25-01-14 21:43 >>>
> Hi Gustav:
>
> It looks like that may be the best quick answer. As for any large sites
> maybe a OpenVPN server (http://openvpn.net) on the client's server may be
> the best long term answer and from there, I can just RDP in or connect via
> the shares to all the stations.
>
> Jim
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
> To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
> Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2014 11:23:43 AM
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] LogMeIn is no more
>
> Hi Jim et all
>
> Splashtop seems to win on a simple commercial pricing where indeed
> TeamViewer is very limited regarding installs and "channels":
>
> 1.Simple, affordable pricing model * $60 per user per year, to remotely
> control an unlimited number of computers from an unlimited number of
> devices.
>
> And they even feature a Windows Phone app. I like that, though I'll
> probably never use it.
>
> /gustav
>
>
> >>> gustav at cactus.dk 25-01-14 20:12 >>>
> Hi Jim
>
> Splashtop works across firewalls if you sign up for the web access option.
>
> /gustav
>
> >>> accessd at shaw.ca 25-01-14 19:30 >>>
> Hi Gustav:
>
> I found out the LogMeIn was dead when my client told me it wasn't
> working...very upsetting and to my way of thinking not very unprofessional.
> It will be a while before I will endorse the product again, if ever.
>
> I had initially been interested in Splashtop remote, but according to the
> attached article there may be issues with firewalls and therefore routers?
> This will require further investigation. Splashtop remote is supposed to be
> very fast and also runs on all platforms so I have not abandoned its
> potential use yet.
>
> Teamviewer might be the more appropriate choice...any thoughts?
>
> Jim
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
> To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
> Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2014 9:57:09 AM
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] LogMeIn is no more
>
> Hi Jim
>
> Even as a loyal user, this was such a surprise to me that I posted this to
> the forum:
>
> <quote>
> "As a help to our loyal users we'll give you 60, no 30, no 7 (seven) days
> to ..."
>
> Sorry, this is not a way to address loyal users. We're off.
> I'm quite sure the competion will know how to not pertinently address
> loyal users.
>
> Even after 30 years in this business, the way suppliers can address
> customers still surprises me. Some people are not educated, I've realized,
> or just plain stupid.
> </quote>
>
> Now, what was the name of the very interesting newcomer, you told about
> not so long ago, please?
>
> /gustav
>
>
> >>> accessd at shaw.ca 25-01-14 18:34 >>>
> Hi All:
>
> Well the truth is LogMeIn is still there but now the model is
> pay-as-you-go. Today I will be running around to a couple of clients and
> replacing their remote products...but I still have not decided which one is
> best. I am sort of leaning towards Splashtop Remote...any thought?
>
>
> http://www.infoworld.com/t/free-tools/locked-out-of-logmein-check-out-these-free-alternatives-234812
>
> Jim
>
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>

From eptept at gmail.com  Mon Mar 17 07:29:32 2014
From: eptept at gmail.com (Ed Tesiny)
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2014 08:29:32 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] LogMeIn is no more
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I apologize for this comment but I prefer my Hamachi raw with a bit of
wasabi and soy, some grated daikon is good too.


On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 8:09 AM, Mark Breen <marklbreen at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello All,
>
> I use Hamachi since Mr Colby introduced us to it in 2007.  For me it works
> great.  I have about 5 hamachi networks and I pay about $30 per year per
> network.  Once I set up Hamachi for a client, I can access up to 30 of
> their machines on that same hamachi network.
>
> I never did use LogMeIn, if I needed rdp access to a machine, I installed
> Hamachi on it and then did a regular rdp.
>
> My question to the group is am I missing something?
>
> Given that I already am familiar with Hamachi and it is not difficult to
> install, is there a reason to use LetMeIn (free or not).
>
> Gustav, thank you for the link, I had a look at it but am still wondering
> if I am missing something that makes my hamachi solution cumbersome?
>
> Happy St Patrick's day to all.
>
> thanks
>
> Mark
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 16 March 2014 21:03, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
>
> > Hi Jim et al
> >
> > As mentioned elsewhere, we settled with Remote Utilities and the free
> > version for commercial use and ten hosts:
> >
> >     http://www.remoteutilities.com
> >
> > Note that the viewers are free (no license).
> >
> > /gustav
> >
> > ________________________________________
> > Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com <
> > dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> p? vegne af Gustav Brock
> > Sendt: 27. januar 2014 20:10
> > Til: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] LogMeIn is no more
> >
> > Hi Jim
> >
> > I've found Splashtop close to useless. Controlling an older XP machine
> > takes minutes where it should take seconds.
> > So I installed it on a local Windows 7 machine with i3 cpu, and that
> could
> > be controlled with a high degree of patience but still useless for work.
> >
> > Then I installed TeamViewer and it rushed away at once, much like
> standard
> > remote desktop and as LogMeIn does.
> >
> > So sadly, Splashtop may be fine for mobile devices (didn't try that,
> don't
> > have the need) but not as an alternative for desktop use.
> >
> > /gustav
> >
> >
> > >>> accessd at shaw.ca 26-01-14 19:53 >>>
> > Hi Gustav:
> >
> > I have found similar and other issues with Splashtop Remote as well. Keep
> > us posted on what you find out with Teamviewer.
> >
> > Jim
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
> > To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2014 1:29:45 AM
> > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] LogMeIn is no more
> >
> > Hi Jim
> >
> > No it was Splashtop I checked out. On that old WinXp host it takes 1:45
> to
> > open a tiny text file, render it, and close it again. With LogMeIn on
> that
> > machine you can perform normal tasks though not speedy. This is across a
> 2
> > Mb/s WAN. RDP runs at close to normal working speed.
> >
> > I noticed that when Splashtop open the connection to the machine, the
> > splashtop service at once goes to 95% CPU usage where LogMeIn would stay
> at
> > a few percent.
> >
> > I have yet to test Teamviewer, but the license model is very inflexible.
> >
> > /gustav
> >
> > >>> accessd at shaw.ca 26-01-14 0:29 >>>
> > Hi Gustav:
> >
> > I had OpenVPN running from a (Linux) server at my home and found the
> > performance was more the adequate in allowing me to access all networks
> > station (Linux and Windows), from another city.
> >
> > If you tried to run an OpenVPN server on just an old XP box, one on which
> > requires a extra translation layer, it was surprising that it actually
> > worked at all. ;-) XP runs an OpenVPN client just fine though.
> >
> > The application of course is going to be much slower than an app like
> > Splashtop Desktop where only keyboard type inputs are sent one way and
> > images are sent the other. A VPN is an encrypted tunnel...with a lot more
> > overhead...privacy and security is the expectation.
> >
> > Jim
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
> > To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2014 1:59:38 PM
> > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] LogMeIn is no more
> >
> > Hi Jim
> >
> > I'm not sure. I just tried to install it on a WinXP machine and remote
> > control that from my Win8.1 Desktop. It is so slow over a 2 Mb/s line
> that
> > it is useless, much slower than even VNC. The Windows App doesn't work at
> > all.
> >
> > What about OpenVPN? It seems to require that you run a server of your
> own?
> >
> > /gustav
> >
> > >>> accessd at shaw.ca 25-01-14 21:43 >>>
> > Hi Gustav:
> >
> > It looks like that may be the best quick answer. As for any large sites
> > maybe a OpenVPN server (http://openvpn.net) on the client's server may
> be
> > the best long term answer and from there, I can just RDP in or connect
> via
> > the shares to all the stations.
> >
> > Jim
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
> > To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2014 11:23:43 AM
> > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] LogMeIn is no more
> >
> > Hi Jim et all
> >
> > Splashtop seems to win on a simple commercial pricing where indeed
> > TeamViewer is very limited regarding installs and "channels":
> >
> > 1.Simple, affordable pricing model * $60 per user per year, to remotely
> > control an unlimited number of computers from an unlimited number of
> > devices.
> >
> > And they even feature a Windows Phone app. I like that, though I'll
> > probably never use it.
> >
> > /gustav
> >
> >
> > >>> gustav at cactus.dk 25-01-14 20:12 >>>
> > Hi Jim
> >
> > Splashtop works across firewalls if you sign up for the web access
> option.
> >
> > /gustav
> >
> > >>> accessd at shaw.ca 25-01-14 19:30 >>>
> > Hi Gustav:
> >
> > I found out the LogMeIn was dead when my client told me it wasn't
> > working...very upsetting and to my way of thinking not very
> unprofessional.
> > It will be a while before I will endorse the product again, if ever.
> >
> > I had initially been interested in Splashtop remote, but according to the
> > attached article there may be issues with firewalls and therefore
> routers?
> > This will require further investigation. Splashtop remote is supposed to
> be
> > very fast and also runs on all platforms so I have not abandoned its
> > potential use yet.
> >
> > Teamviewer might be the more appropriate choice...any thoughts?
> >
> > Jim
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
> > To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2014 9:57:09 AM
> > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] LogMeIn is no more
> >
> > Hi Jim
> >
> > Even as a loyal user, this was such a surprise to me that I posted this
> to
> > the forum:
> >
> > <quote>
> > "As a help to our loyal users we'll give you 60, no 30, no 7 (seven) days
> > to ..."
> >
> > Sorry, this is not a way to address loyal users. We're off.
> > I'm quite sure the competion will know how to not pertinently address
> > loyal users.
> >
> > Even after 30 years in this business, the way suppliers can address
> > customers still surprises me. Some people are not educated, I've
> realized,
> > or just plain stupid.
> > </quote>
> >
> > Now, what was the name of the very interesting newcomer, you told about
> > not so long ago, please?
> >
> > /gustav
> >
> >
> > >>> accessd at shaw.ca 25-01-14 18:34 >>>
> > Hi All:
> >
> > Well the truth is LogMeIn is still there but now the model is
> > pay-as-you-go. Today I will be running around to a couple of clients and
> > replacing their remote products...but I still have not decided which one
> is
> > best. I am sort of leaning towards Splashtop Remote...any thought?
> >
> >
> >
> http://www.infoworld.com/t/free-tools/locked-out-of-logmein-check-out-these-free-alternatives-234812
> >
> > Jim
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Mar 17 07:31:08 2014
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2014 12:31:08 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] LogMeIn is no more
Message-ID: <4f4202c773a34616a09c7ed35501c57d@AMSPR06MB311.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Mark

You missed the zero cost. However, if you have to remote access 30+ machines, I don't think any free tool will fit and then Hamachi seems fine.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Mark Breen
Sendt: 17. marts 2014 13:10
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] LogMeIn is no more

Hello All,

I use Hamachi since Mr Colby introduced us to it in 2007.  For me it works great.  I have about 5 hamachi networks and I pay about $30 per year per network.  Once I set up Hamachi for a client, I can access up to 30 of their machines on that same hamachi network.

I never did use LogMeIn, if I needed rdp access to a machine, I installed Hamachi on it and then did a regular rdp.

My question to the group is am I missing something?

Given that I already am familiar with Hamachi and it is not difficult to install, is there a reason to use LetMeIn (free or not).

Gustav, thank you for the link, I had a look at it but am still wondering if I am missing something that makes my hamachi solution cumbersome?

Happy St Patrick's day to all.

thanks

Mark






On 16 March 2014 21:03, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Hi Jim et al
>
> As mentioned elsewhere, we settled with Remote Utilities and the free 
> version for commercial use and ten hosts:
>
>     http://www.remoteutilities.com
>
> Note that the viewers are free (no license).
>
> /gustav
>
> ________________________________________
> Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com < 
> dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> p? vegne af Gustav Brock
> Sendt: 27. januar 2014 20:10
> Til: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
> Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] LogMeIn is no more
>
> Hi Jim
>
> I've found Splashtop close to useless. Controlling an older XP machine 
> takes minutes where it should take seconds.
> So I installed it on a local Windows 7 machine with i3 cpu, and that 
> could be controlled with a high degree of patience but still useless for work.
>
> Then I installed TeamViewer and it rushed away at once, much like 
> standard remote desktop and as LogMeIn does.
>
> So sadly, Splashtop may be fine for mobile devices (didn't try that, 
> don't have the need) but not as an alternative for desktop use.
>
> /gustav 


From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Mon Mar 17 07:57:04 2014
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2014 08:57:04 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Win7/DHCP question
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1grupY09Qk95cBndZOyz8_9StE1hCDjLb57OPSh1y-VbA@mail.gmail.com>

Recently I had to replace some hardware and then re-install Win7 on my old
machine. Now I have to re-setup its internet access. I have a cable-modem
and a router. According to my ISP support guy, what I should not do is
attempt to set it up using the "Connect to the Internet" option, but rather
use DHCP and tell it to automatically receive an IP from the router. It's
been so long since I've had to do this that my mind is blank as to how to
do so.

Can someone give me some direction here?

Thanks in advance.

-- 
Arthur

From gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Mar 17 08:03:59 2014
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2014 13:03:59 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Win7/DHCP question
Message-ID: <8e12814ee5d646e1b7ff754ba39eb5b3@AMSPR06MB311.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Arthur

That's the default configuration of Windows 7, so it might be that the DHCP server is not running on the router, which is the typical setup for a scenario like yours.

/gustav


-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Arthur Fuller
Sendt: 17. marts 2014 13:57
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Emne: [dba-Tech] Win7/DHCP question

Recently I had to replace some hardware and then re-install Win7 on my old machine. Now I have to re-setup its internet access. I have a cable-modem and a router. According to my ISP support guy, what I should not do is attempt to set it up using the "Connect to the Internet" option, but rather use DHCP and tell it to automatically receive an IP from the router. It's been so long since I've had to do this that my mind is blank as to how to do so.

Can someone give me some direction here?

Thanks in advance.

--
Arthur 


From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Mon Mar 17 08:15:27 2014
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2014 09:15:27 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Win7/DHCP question
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References: <8e12814ee5d646e1b7ff754ba39eb5b3@AMSPR06MB311.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1hTvykPt2sthyYrqA7OK06PXMtaOK-t5bkuDm8XViESjQ@mail.gmail.com>

Gustav.

Thanks for the prompt reply, although I'm not sure what it implies. Here's
the current setup: 2 machines, one laptop running Windows 8.1, which
connects just fine. Machine #2 is an AMD-64 running Windows 7.

Does the fact that the laptop connects to the net just fine imply that DCHP
server is in fact running on the router?

How can I check the DHCP settings on the Windows 7 box?

And while I'm at it, has anyone successfully set up a home network that
uses both Windows 8 and Windows 7 machines?


On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 9:03 AM, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Hi Arthur
>
> That's the default configuration of Windows 7, so it might be that the
> DHCP server is not running on the router, which is the typical setup for a
> scenario like yours.
>
> /gustav
>
>

From gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Mar 17 09:17:08 2014
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2014 14:17:08 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Win7/DHCP question
Message-ID: <8d6f5c1fc9854c64ab71fb2d8f8de23e@AMSPR06MB311.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Arthur

It looks like your DHCP server is running.
If so, you could try the automatic repair wizard for the network.

The fastest check is to open a cmd box an run: ipconfig /all
That'll list all network adapters and their settings. Do the same on one of the other machines. Values for the Ethernet adapters should be similar.

/gustav


-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Arthur Fuller
Sendt: 17. marts 2014 14:15
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Win7/DHCP question

Gustav.

Thanks for the prompt reply, although I'm not sure what it implies. Here's the current setup: 2 machines, one laptop running Windows 8.1, which connects just fine. Machine #2 is an AMD-64 running Windows 7.

Does the fact that the laptop connects to the net just fine imply that DCHP server is in fact running on the router?

How can I check the DHCP settings on the Windows 7 box?

And while I'm at it, has anyone successfully set up a home network that uses both Windows 8 and Windows 7 machines?


On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 9:03 AM, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Hi Arthur
>
> That's the default configuration of Windows 7, so it might be that the 
> DHCP server is not running on the router, which is the typical setup 
> for a scenario like yours.
>
> /gustav 


From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Mon Mar 17 10:08:51 2014
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2014 11:08:51 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Win7/DHCP question
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1hTvykPt2sthyYrqA7OK06PXMtaOK-t5bkuDm8XViESjQ@mail.gmail.com>
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	<CAEPJO1hTvykPt2sthyYrqA7OK06PXMtaOK-t5bkuDm8XViESjQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <53271003.1020001@torchlake.com>

Hi Arthur,

My wireless home network has Win 8.1, Win 7, and Win XP machines on it.  
The term "successfully" catches me off-guard, because occasionally, one 
of the updates for Windows manages to break the network.  I don't know 
why that happens, but, it has happened on my network about five times.  
The network connectivity just disappears - was there last night and is 
gone this morning - then, in a day or so, it reappears.  Both actions 
appear following some update.  Here's hoping the network experts on our 
list can explain that.  I have a named SSID to which all the computers 
are attached.  All of them have Internet access through the routers (one 
at the POE and another in my office), and usually, they all see one 
another.  So, I'd say I have almost successfully set up my network with 
different Windows operating systems.

Hope that helps,
TNF

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
231-322-2787

On 3/17/2014 9:15 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote:
> Gustav.
>
> Thanks for the prompt reply, although I'm not sure what it implies. Here's
> the current setup: 2 machines, one laptop running Windows 8.1, which
> connects just fine. Machine #2 is an AMD-64 running Windows 7.
>
> Does the fact that the laptop connects to the net just fine imply that DCHP
> server is in fact running on the router?
>
> How can I check the DHCP settings on the Windows 7 box?
>
> And while I'm at it, has anyone successfully set up a home network that
> uses both Windows 8 and Windows 7 machines?
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 9:03 AM, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
>
>> Hi Arthur
>>
>> That's the default configuration of Windows 7, so it might be that the
>> DHCP server is not running on the router, which is the typical setup for a
>> scenario like yours.
>>
>> /gustav
>>
>>
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From carbonnb at gmail.com  Mon Mar 17 10:17:47 2014
From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2014 11:17:47 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Free Intro to Linux Course
Message-ID: <CAAZtbWEmCwM3GZyXU3zrtCNguuEYufQiq6Fo8H8EjvHs7ZJU6w@mail.gmail.com>

For those of you that use or want to learn to use Linux, edX is
offereing a free Intro to Linux course.

Here is a link to an article about it:

http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/03/2400-introduction-to-linux-course-will-be-free-and-online-this-summer/

Here is a direct link to sign up for the course:
https://www.edx.org/course/linuxfoundationx/linuxfoundationx-lfs101x-introduction-1621


-- 
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com
Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well
preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out,
shouting "What a great ride!"

From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Mar 17 11:48:50 2014
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2014 10:48:50 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Security
In-Reply-To: <CAEkqQpVifwg6=VECajzha3DrFftNk0kfp53=YB6FbLtP9UZN5w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <819054585.4474891.1395074930045.JavaMail.root@cds018>

Hi Ed:

For many years networking for small and large companies and government was my bread and butter. In most case I would do the layout, connection and basic server setup. Setting policy, security, creating and rolling out a new images was generally be the job of the local systems guys. In a small shop I would have to do everything. In these days a person can not be a master of anything thing in computers, just being a little more than an apprentice is a feat, as everything is changing so fast.

Aside: I still have the computer bug bad as there are now ten running computers, servers, desktops and laptops in the house and one new system still in pieces. For years I would test, re-install, upgrade and build and deploy hardware and applications for clients, at the home office...now that I have retired little seems to have changed. ;-)

Jim    

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ed Tesiny" <eptept at gmail.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, 16 March, 2014 4:30:00 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Security

Jim,
I'm just running a home network and in the many years I've been doing it,
the only issues that have risen is from when you click the mouse.  I
understand, you're talking large or company networks.


On Sun, Mar 16, 2014 at 1:29 AM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> Hi Ed:
>
> Mac addressing may be better in some instances as they are static but IP
> address can be hard-wired too...I am not a fan of flexible IP addresses as
> they can end up causing errors due to address conflict. The bigger the
> network the more chance for problems even though automatic allocation is
> supposed to solve that problem. I tend to assign address ranges depending
> on the department and the types of systems; ie printers. Then servers
> should all be invisible on the network so their addresses can not be
> changing. Then there is all the routers and switches which must be static.
> Mac addresses are great as they are static but can cause issues if they are
> used to cross-reference with IP addresses as the hardware or just the NIC
> are always being replaced.
>
> Jim
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ed Tesiny" <eptept at gmail.com>
> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <
> dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2014 4:14:52 PM
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Security
>
> So with MAC addressing and all, I'm off base??
>
>
> On Sat, Mar 15, 2014 at 6:33 PM, DJK (John) Robinson <djkr at msn.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi Jim
> >
> > First of all, stress the *need* for security, and the fact that there are
> > career criminals and malcontents determined to
> > breach your defences.
> >
> > Secondly, never assume that your defence is 100%, because it's not.
>  Don't
> > be complacent!
> >
> > Then, get on to the nitty-gritty details ...
> >
> > It's inculcating a culture of security-mindedness that is key.
> >
> > John
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:
> > dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
> > Sent: 15 March 2014 19:07
> > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> > Subject: [dba-Tech] Security
> >
> >
> > Hi all:
> >
> > I have been asked to give a little talk about security to a company and
> it
> > workers come Monday.
> >
> > The subject of the speech will go something like this:
> >
> > One, Make sure the router is set up property whether at the office or
> > home. Change the password from the default,
> > something around ten plus digits, a mix of numbers, upper and lower case
> > and special characters. Older routers should be
> > replaced as they can be hacked. If you want security, limit your
> > dependency on Wi-Fi. (There is software out there that
> > can read the Wi-Fi signal and I would suspect write it.) So don't use
> > Wi-Fi in the office. Don't open any router ports
> > other than 80 or 8080. If you do have to have other open ports, the
> > Virtual drives are your friend...just set up your
> > router to point towards the appropriate virtual drive's IP address
> > triggered by the data arriving on a specific port
> > number. (Note: limit ports open that do not have application continually
> > listening on them.)
> >
> > Two, if you are using XP, start using another browser. The IE browsers
> > supported by XP are not safe.
> >
> > Three, watch what you open in your mail client. This is where most if not
> > all malware originates from. If you are at
> > work and if in doubt, never open it.
> >
> > That is a quick off the top list of talking points. If anyone could
> > recommend further important items to discuss it
> > would be greatly appreciated.
> >
> > MTIA
> >
> > Jim
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Mon Mar 17 11:51:05 2014
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2014 12:51:05 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Win7/DHCP question
In-Reply-To: <53271003.1020001@torchlake.com>
References: <8e12814ee5d646e1b7ff754ba39eb5b3@AMSPR06MB311.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
	<CAEPJO1hTvykPt2sthyYrqA7OK06PXMtaOK-t5bkuDm8XViESjQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<53271003.1020001@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1gtT4gucXyvUtMsaS7wcuyF=MLxB2cnXbf9YnqP77=-aA@mail.gmail.com>

Gustav and Tina,

Turns out the problem was much simpler than that. Somehow the network cable
died. A simple replacement fixed the problem. (This begs the question, How
does a network cable die?

Arthur


From gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Mar 17 12:01:37 2014
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2014 17:01:37 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Win7/DHCP question
Message-ID: <4c62dbe7b65f4c29a9dfd49be5b635bf@AMSPR06MB311.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Arthur

One of the eight cores breaks. 
That happens. I've seen it two or three times. Nothing compared to the troubles with the previous coax cables.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Arthur Fuller
Sendt: 17. marts 2014 17:51
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Win7/DHCP question

Gustav and Tina,

Turns out the problem was much simpler than that. Somehow the network cable died. A simple replacement fixed the problem. (This begs the question, How does a network cable die?

Arthur 


From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Mar 17 12:05:51 2014
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2014 11:05:51 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] LogMeIn is no more
In-Reply-To: <1c9ea7eb8e524db1b2b1ab8b7f6ffac9@AMSPR06MB311.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <158068310.4490477.1395075951781.JavaMail.root@cds018>

Hi Gustav:

Definitely looks like an interesting product and I will have to investigate further.

Question: Does it support Apple or Linux?

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, 16 March, 2014 2:03:14 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] LogMeIn is no more

Hi Jim et al

As mentioned elsewhere, we settled with Remote Utilities and the free version for commercial use and ten hosts:

    http://www.remoteutilities.com

Note that the viewers are free (no license).

/gustav

________________________________________
Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com <dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> p? vegne af Gustav Brock
Sendt: 27. januar 2014 20:10
Til: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] LogMeIn is no more

Hi Jim

I've found Splashtop close to useless. Controlling an older XP machine takes minutes where it should take seconds.
So I installed it on a local Windows 7 machine with i3 cpu, and that could be controlled with a high degree of patience but still useless for work.

Then I installed TeamViewer and it rushed away at once, much like standard remote desktop and as LogMeIn does.

So sadly, Splashtop may be fine for mobile devices (didn't try that, don't have the need) but not as an alternative for desktop use.

/gustav


>>> accessd at shaw.ca 26-01-14 19:53 >>>
Hi Gustav:

I have found similar and other issues with Splashtop Remote as well. Keep us posted on what you find out with Teamviewer.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2014 1:29:45 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] LogMeIn is no more

Hi Jim

No it was Splashtop I checked out. On that old WinXp host it takes 1:45 to open a tiny text file, render it, and close it again. With LogMeIn on that machine you can perform normal tasks though not speedy. This is across a 2 Mb/s WAN. RDP runs at close to normal working speed.

I noticed that when Splashtop open the connection to the machine, the splashtop service at once goes to 95% CPU usage where LogMeIn would stay at a few percent.

I have yet to test Teamviewer, but the license model is very inflexible.

/gustav

>>> accessd at shaw.ca 26-01-14 0:29 >>>
Hi Gustav:

I had OpenVPN running from a (Linux) server at my home and found the performance was more the adequate in allowing me to access all networks station (Linux and Windows), from another city.

If you tried to run an OpenVPN server on just an old XP box, one on which requires a extra translation layer, it was surprising that it actually worked at all. ;-) XP runs an OpenVPN client just fine though.

The application of course is going to be much slower than an app like Splashtop Desktop where only keyboard type inputs are sent one way and images are sent the other. A VPN is an encrypted tunnel...with a lot more overhead...privacy and security is the expectation.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2014 1:59:38 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] LogMeIn is no more

Hi Jim

I'm not sure. I just tried to install it on a WinXP machine and remote control that from my Win8.1 Desktop. It is so slow over a 2 Mb/s line that it is useless, much slower than even VNC. The Windows App doesn't work at all.

What about OpenVPN? It seems to require that you run a server of your own?

/gustav

>>> accessd at shaw.ca 25-01-14 21:43 >>>
Hi Gustav:

It looks like that may be the best quick answer. As for any large sites maybe a OpenVPN server (http://openvpn.net) on the client's server may be the best long term answer and from there, I can just RDP in or connect via the shares to all the stations.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2014 11:23:43 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] LogMeIn is no more

Hi Jim et all

Splashtop seems to win on a simple commercial pricing where indeed TeamViewer is very limited regarding installs and "channels":

1.Simple, affordable pricing model * $60 per user per year, to remotely control an unlimited number of computers from an unlimited number of devices.

And they even feature a Windows Phone app. I like that, though I'll probably never use it.

/gustav


>>> gustav at cactus.dk 25-01-14 20:12 >>>
Hi Jim

Splashtop works across firewalls if you sign up for the web access option.

/gustav

>>> accessd at shaw.ca 25-01-14 19:30 >>>
Hi Gustav:

I found out the LogMeIn was dead when my client told me it wasn't working...very upsetting and to my way of thinking not very unprofessional. It will be a while before I will endorse the product again, if ever.

I had initially been interested in Splashtop remote, but according to the attached article there may be issues with firewalls and therefore routers? This will require further investigation. Splashtop remote is supposed to be very fast and also runs on all platforms so I have not abandoned its potential use yet.

Teamviewer might be the more appropriate choice...any thoughts?

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2014 9:57:09 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] LogMeIn is no more

Hi Jim

Even as a loyal user, this was such a surprise to me that I posted this to the forum:

<quote>
"As a help to our loyal users we'll give you 60, no 30, no 7 (seven) days to ..."

Sorry, this is not a way to address loyal users. We're off.
I'm quite sure the competion will know how to not pertinently address loyal users.

Even after 30 years in this business, the way suppliers can address customers still surprises me. Some people are not educated, I've realized, or just plain stupid.
</quote>

Now, what was the name of the very interesting newcomer, you told about not so long ago, please?

/gustav


>>> accessd at shaw.ca 25-01-14 18:34 >>>
Hi All:

Well the truth is LogMeIn is still there but now the model is pay-as-you-go. Today I will be running around to a couple of clients and replacing their remote products...but I still have not decided which one is best. I am sort of leaning towards Splashtop Remote...any thought?

http://www.infoworld.com/t/free-tools/locked-out-of-logmein-check-out-these-free-alternatives-234812

Jim

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From gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Mar 17 12:19:17 2014
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2014 17:19:17 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] LogMeIn is no more
Message-ID: <d517bbb2f9ea48cebf3da3eacce633a3@AMSPR06MB311.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Jim

I don't know, but there is a viewer for iPhone ...

One limitation I can find is, that screen options are limited. LogMeIn is very good at that.
However, Remote Utilities let you open a normal Remote Desktop session via a dynamic port. Very smart.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Jim Lawrence
Sendt: 17. marts 2014 18:06
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] LogMeIn is no more

Hi Gustav:

Definitely looks like an interesting product and I will have to investigate further.

Question: Does it support Apple or Linux?

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, 16 March, 2014 2:03:14 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] LogMeIn is no more

Hi Jim et al

As mentioned elsewhere, we settled with Remote Utilities and the free version for commercial use and ten hosts:

    http://www.remoteutilities.com

Note that the viewers are free (no license).

/gustav

________________________________________
Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com <dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> p? vegne af Gustav Brock
Sendt: 27. januar 2014 20:10
Til: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] LogMeIn is no more

Hi Jim

I've found Splashtop close to useless. Controlling an older XP machine takes minutes where it should take seconds.
So I installed it on a local Windows 7 machine with i3 cpu, and that could be controlled with a high degree of patience but still useless for work.

Then I installed TeamViewer and it rushed away at once, much like standard remote desktop and as LogMeIn does.

So sadly, Splashtop may be fine for mobile devices (didn't try that, don't have the need) but not as an alternative for desktop use.

/gustav


>>> accessd at shaw.ca 26-01-14 19:53 >>>
Hi Gustav:

I have found similar and other issues with Splashtop Remote as well. Keep us posted on what you find out with Teamviewer.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2014 1:29:45 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] LogMeIn is no more

Hi Jim

No it was Splashtop I checked out. On that old WinXp host it takes 1:45 to open a tiny text file, render it, and close it again. With LogMeIn on that machine you can perform normal tasks though not speedy. This is across a 2 Mb/s WAN. RDP runs at close to normal working speed.

I noticed that when Splashtop open the connection to the machine, the splashtop service at once goes to 95% CPU usage where LogMeIn would stay at a few percent.

I have yet to test Teamviewer, but the license model is very inflexible.

/gustav

>>> accessd at shaw.ca 26-01-14 0:29 >>>
Hi Gustav:

I had OpenVPN running from a (Linux) server at my home and found the performance was more the adequate in allowing me to access all networks station (Linux and Windows), from another city.

If you tried to run an OpenVPN server on just an old XP box, one on which requires a extra translation layer, it was surprising that it actually worked at all. ;-) XP runs an OpenVPN client just fine though.

The application of course is going to be much slower than an app like Splashtop Desktop where only keyboard type inputs are sent one way and images are sent the other. A VPN is an encrypted tunnel...with a lot more overhead...privacy and security is the expectation.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2014 1:59:38 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] LogMeIn is no more

Hi Jim

I'm not sure. I just tried to install it on a WinXP machine and remote control that from my Win8.1 Desktop. It is so slow over a 2 Mb/s line that it is useless, much slower than even VNC. The Windows App doesn't work at all.

What about OpenVPN? It seems to require that you run a server of your own?

/gustav

>>> accessd at shaw.ca 25-01-14 21:43 >>>
Hi Gustav:

It looks like that may be the best quick answer. As for any large sites maybe a OpenVPN server (http://openvpn.net) on the client's server may be the best long term answer and from there, I can just RDP in or connect via the shares to all the stations.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2014 11:23:43 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] LogMeIn is no more

Hi Jim et all

Splashtop seems to win on a simple commercial pricing where indeed TeamViewer is very limited regarding installs and "channels":

1.Simple, affordable pricing model * $60 per user per year, to remotely control an unlimited number of computers from an unlimited number of devices.

And they even feature a Windows Phone app. I like that, though I'll probably never use it.

/gustav


>>> gustav at cactus.dk 25-01-14 20:12 >>>
Hi Jim

Splashtop works across firewalls if you sign up for the web access option.

/gustav

>>> accessd at shaw.ca 25-01-14 19:30 >>>
Hi Gustav:

I found out the LogMeIn was dead when my client told me it wasn't working...very upsetting and to my way of thinking not very unprofessional. It will be a while before I will endorse the product again, if ever.

I had initially been interested in Splashtop remote, but according to the attached article there may be issues with firewalls and therefore routers? This will require further investigation. Splashtop remote is supposed to be very fast and also runs on all platforms so I have not abandoned its potential use yet.

Teamviewer might be the more appropriate choice...any thoughts?

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2014 9:57:09 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] LogMeIn is no more

Hi Jim

Even as a loyal user, this was such a surprise to me that I posted this to the forum:

<quote>
"As a help to our loyal users we'll give you 60, no 30, no 7 (seven) days to ..."

Sorry, this is not a way to address loyal users. We're off.
I'm quite sure the competion will know how to not pertinently address loyal users.

Even after 30 years in this business, the way suppliers can address customers still surprises me. Some people are not educated, I've realized, or just plain stupid.
</quote>

Now, what was the name of the very interesting newcomer, you told about not so long ago, please?

/gustav


>>> accessd at shaw.ca 25-01-14 18:34 >>>
Hi All:

Well the truth is LogMeIn is still there but now the model is pay-as-you-go. Today I will be running around to a couple of clients and replacing their remote products...but I still have not decided which one is best. I am sort of leaning towards Splashtop Remote...any thought?

http://www.infoworld.com/t/free-tools/locked-out-of-logmein-check-out-these-free-alternatives-234812

Jim 


From marklbreen at gmail.com  Mon Mar 17 12:27:45 2014
From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen)
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2014 17:27:45 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] LogMeIn is no more
In-Reply-To: <4f4202c773a34616a09c7ed35501c57d@AMSPR06MB311.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
References: <4f4202c773a34616a09c7ed35501c57d@AMSPR06MB311.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CAGXtTCjhg-4gWZAEJJKfAdqB1=qFvLfM3j_WDuHTA+Ln00h_pg@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Gustav

yes you are correct, I missed that one, for someone that needs 5/6/7
machines your solution is a nice free option.

thanks for letting us know

Mark




On 17 March 2014 12:31, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Hi Mark
>
> You missed the zero cost. However, if you have to remote access 30+
> machines, I don't think any free tool will fit and then Hamachi seems fine.
>
> /gustav
>
> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:
> dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Mark Breen
> Sendt: 17. marts 2014 13:10
> Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] LogMeIn is no more
>
> Hello All,
>
> I use Hamachi since Mr Colby introduced us to it in 2007.  For me it works
> great.  I have about 5 hamachi networks and I pay about $30 per year per
> network.  Once I set up Hamachi for a client, I can access up to 30 of
> their machines on that same hamachi network.
>
> I never did use LogMeIn, if I needed rdp access to a machine, I installed
> Hamachi on it and then did a regular rdp.
>
> My question to the group is am I missing something?
>
> Given that I already am familiar with Hamachi and it is not difficult to
> install, is there a reason to use LetMeIn (free or not).
>
> Gustav, thank you for the link, I had a look at it but am still wondering
> if I am missing something that makes my hamachi solution cumbersome?
>
> Happy St Patrick's day to all.
>
> thanks
>
> Mark
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 16 March 2014 21:03, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
>
> > Hi Jim et al
> >
> > As mentioned elsewhere, we settled with Remote Utilities and the free
> > version for commercial use and ten hosts:
> >
> >     http://www.remoteutilities.com
> >
> > Note that the viewers are free (no license).
> >
> > /gustav
> >
> > ________________________________________
> > Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com <
> > dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> p? vegne af Gustav Brock
> > Sendt: 27. januar 2014 20:10
> > Til: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] LogMeIn is no more
> >
> > Hi Jim
> >
> > I've found Splashtop close to useless. Controlling an older XP machine
> > takes minutes where it should take seconds.
> > So I installed it on a local Windows 7 machine with i3 cpu, and that
> > could be controlled with a high degree of patience but still useless for
> work.
> >
> > Then I installed TeamViewer and it rushed away at once, much like
> > standard remote desktop and as LogMeIn does.
> >
> > So sadly, Splashtop may be fine for mobile devices (didn't try that,
> > don't have the need) but not as an alternative for desktop use.
> >
> > /gustav
>
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Mar 17 12:52:49 2014
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2014 11:52:49 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Yahoo mail 1 TB?
In-Reply-To: <025701cf4184$0268b9e0$073a2da0$@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <1038406462.4531699.1395078769549.JavaMail.root@cds018>

Hi John:

According to tales, the programmer that wrote the original core to Yahoo, could talk fast and write code faster. He was so quick that a competitor would release a feature, maybe months in development and he would repeat the same feature in a morning. The only problem was that the guy programmed in LISP. 

Yahoo had become dependent on this fellow but as all high-end programmers do, they burn out and then die or retire. Can you imagine being the developer(s) who had to pick up after this code base? This may explain some of problems that still exist at Yahoo. ;-)

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "John Bartow" <jbartow at winhaven.net>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, 16 March, 2014 6:55:43 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Yahoo mail 1 TB?

This happens far too frequently to be end user related. Its Yahoo. There's something amiss there.

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2014 11:48 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Yahoo mail 1 TB?

Sign...some things never change. 

I wonder if the week link was at the Yahoo account or at the chair, in front of the keyboard?

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "John Bartow" <jbartow at winhaven.net>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2014 9:09:53 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Yahoo mail 1 TB?

Hi Gustav,
I don't believe so as AT& users can login from the Yahoo.com UI.

Just this afternoon I had another home customer text me that their Yahoo account had been hacked. They do not have an AT&T email domain but a direct Yahoo.com account.  :-(

John B

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2014 2:05 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Yahoo mail 1 TB?

Hi John

That doesn't sound nice. 
Would there be any difference between AT&T/Yahoo accounts and a general Yahoo account?

/gustav

________________________________________
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<dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> p? vegne af John Bartow <jbartow at winhaven.net>
Sendt: 15. marts 2014 19:52
Til: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Yahoo mail 1 TB?

Hi Gustav,
I have a number of clients on Yahoo emails accounts - mostly because AT&T has Yahoo managing their email accounts. That is nice because if they switch to another ISP they retain their email. Unfortunately the AT&T/Yahoo accounts have been hacked so many times over the last few years that it is incredible that Yahoo hasn't corrected this problem. It is a well-known hack. Hacker breaks password for account, go into account and set the reply to address to a spoofed (similar looking email account), then emails all contacts in contact lists, then deletes all contacts and all inbox messages.
I have this happening with at least two people again this week.

I've had an account there for years. I deleted everything in it and just maintain it to be able to train myself on their constant changes. (It is a very frustrating service.)

I wouldn't recommend using AT&T/Yahoo email to anyone. :-(

I too have found that MS has greatly improved their online email service. I recommend people use it. They offer hotmail.com, live.com and now outlook.com email addresses. (So if you want to be very "retro" you could still a Hotmail account :-)

They also include OneDrive space, web apps (Word, Excel, etc.) and as you mentioned, it is very easy to bring in other email accounts. And the limited ads that you do see can be eliminated for a small fee.

I think MS did a good job on this service.

Regards,
John B

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2014 12:30 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] Yahoo mail 1 TB?

Hi all

I created a Yahoo Mail account for some testing.
It claims to allow you to store 1 TB or about 54 millions e-mails for free?
And you have both POP3 and IMAP secure connections.

That's a lot. Any gotchas except that anything may not remain free, but still?
It could serve as a zero cost backup option.

/gustav
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From paul.hartland at googlemail.com  Mon Mar 17 13:08:52 2014
From: paul.hartland at googlemail.com (Paul Hartland)
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2014 18:08:52 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Free Intro to Linux Course
In-Reply-To: <CAAZtbWEmCwM3GZyXU3zrtCNguuEYufQiq6Fo8H8EjvHs7ZJU6w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAAZtbWEmCwM3GZyXU3zrtCNguuEYufQiq6Fo8H8EjvHs7ZJU6w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALGJE95r=jQ8=WUr7SUBnOQ6jTNXbhxFSUtoBEPP4uzVmDAH-Q@mail.gmail.com>

Has almost made me think about trying linux maybe on a virtual server, even
took a look at Xubuntu earlier, and just signed up for the free audit plan,
as do not have a spare $250 at the moment.

Paul


On 17 March 2014 15:17, Bryan Carbonnell <carbonnb at gmail.com> wrote:

> For those of you that use or want to learn to use Linux, edX is
> offereing a free Intro to Linux course.
>
> Here is a link to an article about it:
>
>
> http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/03/2400-introduction-to-linux-course-will-be-free-and-online-this-summer/
>
> Here is a direct link to sign up for the course:
>
> https://www.edx.org/course/linuxfoundationx/linuxfoundationx-lfs101x-introduction-1621
>
>
> --
> Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com
> Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well
> preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out,
> shouting "What a great ride!"
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Mar 17 13:09:06 2014
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2014 12:09:06 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Security
In-Reply-To: <025901cf4184$02ff7ba0$08fe72e0$@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <2044082511.4547099.1395079746935.JavaMail.root@cds018>

Hi John:

I will be honest with you in saying that I have found no Malware detection and removal programs that anywhere near perfect. Some of the new malware is brutal and brilliant to say the least. The best that seems to be done is to be vigilant and suspicious of everything received, have the best setup router possible, segregate the network, encrypt everything that is important (keep moving towards an encrypted data storage and communications system), monitor continuously for any anomalies and backup, backup and backup. 

I have found that the most well intentioned user can be more dangerous than the most brilliant hacker. ;-)  ...And then some of the supposed Anti-virus software can be plain evil...McAfee and Nortons comes to mind...they can shut down a network so tight that only the malware can get in.

Jim

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Sent: Sunday, 16 March, 2014 6:55:43 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Security

You're kidding right? Kaspersky's labs might be great at figuring out some
of the hardest things to detect but their security hardly foolproof. Since
Best Buy hawks it around here it has made my top ten list of system to
cleanup. Nowhere near McAfee/Norton/MSSE/AVG but still in the top ten.

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2014 11:38 PM
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Nowadays, I think the only virus detection application that can be trusted
is from Kaspersky labs as they were the only company that officially
detected a number of state sponsored malware....US, Israeli and Russian. 

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Mar 17 14:02:16 2014
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2014 13:02:16 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] Mozilla cancelled  Firefox for Windows 8
In-Reply-To: <001e01cf41d4$6a598e80$3f0cab80$@de>
Message-ID: <535051364.4592462.1395082936971.JavaMail.root@cds018>

Hi Helmut:

When one of the world's biggest browser developers drops a new platform that is big news. When it is Windows 8.x that is bigger news. Considering that Windows 8.x is the most advertised application/platform (and expensive...Microsoft is paying more on advertising the product than it makes in sales) in history and their growth is limp to say the least...the graphs say it all. 

http://gs.statcounter.com/#all-os-ww-monthly-201303-201403

...and...

http://gs.statcounter.com/#all-os-ww-monthly-201303-201403-bar

...or more long range...

http://gs.statcounter.com/#all-os-ww-monthly-200812-201403

As long as sales of Windows 7, Office and servers can continue as strong, Windows 8.x advertising will be able to continue.
  
Jim  

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Sent: Monday, 17 March, 2014 4:31:18 AM
Subject: [dba-OT] Mozilla cancelled  Firefox for Windows 8

Mozilla cancelled  Firefox for Windows 8

 

https://blog.mozilla.org/futurereleases/2014/03/14/metro/

 

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Mar 17 14:03:43 2014
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2014 13:03:43 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] LogMeIn is no more
In-Reply-To: <CAGXtTChXsQXPgZTsC+UHWormXhkQDKhgiD6A2PRdv=NhTsnjNQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <461774945.4593799.1395083023528.JavaMail.root@cds018>

No. 

Jim

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To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, 17 March, 2014 5:09:54 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] LogMeIn is no more

Hello All,

I use Hamachi since Mr Colby introduced us to it in 2007.  For me it works
great.  I have about 5 hamachi networks and I pay about $30 per year per
network.  Once I set up Hamachi for a client, I can access up to 30 of
their machines on that same hamachi network.

I never did use LogMeIn, if I needed rdp access to a machine, I installed
Hamachi on it and then did a regular rdp.

My question to the group is am I missing something?

Given that I already am familiar with Hamachi and it is not difficult to
install, is there a reason to use LetMeIn (free or not).

Gustav, thank you for the link, I had a look at it but am still wondering
if I am missing something that makes my hamachi solution cumbersome?

Happy St Patrick's day to all.

thanks

Mark






On 16 March 2014 21:03, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Hi Jim et al
>
> As mentioned elsewhere, we settled with Remote Utilities and the free
> version for commercial use and ten hosts:
>
>     http://www.remoteutilities.com
>
> Note that the viewers are free (no license).
>
> /gustav
>
> ________________________________________
> Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com <
> dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> p? vegne af Gustav Brock
> Sendt: 27. januar 2014 20:10
> Til: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
> Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] LogMeIn is no more
>
> Hi Jim
>
> I've found Splashtop close to useless. Controlling an older XP machine
> takes minutes where it should take seconds.
> So I installed it on a local Windows 7 machine with i3 cpu, and that could
> be controlled with a high degree of patience but still useless for work.
>
> Then I installed TeamViewer and it rushed away at once, much like standard
> remote desktop and as LogMeIn does.
>
> So sadly, Splashtop may be fine for mobile devices (didn't try that, don't
> have the need) but not as an alternative for desktop use.
>
> /gustav
>
>
> >>> accessd at shaw.ca 26-01-14 19:53 >>>
> Hi Gustav:
>
> I have found similar and other issues with Splashtop Remote as well. Keep
> us posted on what you find out with Teamviewer.
>
> Jim
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
> To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
> Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2014 1:29:45 AM
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] LogMeIn is no more
>
> Hi Jim
>
> No it was Splashtop I checked out. On that old WinXp host it takes 1:45 to
> open a tiny text file, render it, and close it again. With LogMeIn on that
> machine you can perform normal tasks though not speedy. This is across a 2
> Mb/s WAN. RDP runs at close to normal working speed.
>
> I noticed that when Splashtop open the connection to the machine, the
> splashtop service at once goes to 95% CPU usage where LogMeIn would stay at
> a few percent.
>
> I have yet to test Teamviewer, but the license model is very inflexible.
>
> /gustav
>
> >>> accessd at shaw.ca 26-01-14 0:29 >>>
> Hi Gustav:
>
> I had OpenVPN running from a (Linux) server at my home and found the
> performance was more the adequate in allowing me to access all networks
> station (Linux and Windows), from another city.
>
> If you tried to run an OpenVPN server on just an old XP box, one on which
> requires a extra translation layer, it was surprising that it actually
> worked at all. ;-) XP runs an OpenVPN client just fine though.
>
> The application of course is going to be much slower than an app like
> Splashtop Desktop where only keyboard type inputs are sent one way and
> images are sent the other. A VPN is an encrypted tunnel...with a lot more
> overhead...privacy and security is the expectation.
>
> Jim
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
> To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
> Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2014 1:59:38 PM
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] LogMeIn is no more
>
> Hi Jim
>
> I'm not sure. I just tried to install it on a WinXP machine and remote
> control that from my Win8.1 Desktop. It is so slow over a 2 Mb/s line that
> it is useless, much slower than even VNC. The Windows App doesn't work at
> all.
>
> What about OpenVPN? It seems to require that you run a server of your own?
>
> /gustav
>
> >>> accessd at shaw.ca 25-01-14 21:43 >>>
> Hi Gustav:
>
> It looks like that may be the best quick answer. As for any large sites
> maybe a OpenVPN server (http://openvpn.net) on the client's server may be
> the best long term answer and from there, I can just RDP in or connect via
> the shares to all the stations.
>
> Jim
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
> To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
> Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2014 11:23:43 AM
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] LogMeIn is no more
>
> Hi Jim et all
>
> Splashtop seems to win on a simple commercial pricing where indeed
> TeamViewer is very limited regarding installs and "channels":
>
> 1.Simple, affordable pricing model * $60 per user per year, to remotely
> control an unlimited number of computers from an unlimited number of
> devices.
>
> And they even feature a Windows Phone app. I like that, though I'll
> probably never use it.
>
> /gustav
>
>
> >>> gustav at cactus.dk 25-01-14 20:12 >>>
> Hi Jim
>
> Splashtop works across firewalls if you sign up for the web access option.
>
> /gustav
>
> >>> accessd at shaw.ca 25-01-14 19:30 >>>
> Hi Gustav:
>
> I found out the LogMeIn was dead when my client told me it wasn't
> working...very upsetting and to my way of thinking not very unprofessional.
> It will be a while before I will endorse the product again, if ever.
>
> I had initially been interested in Splashtop remote, but according to the
> attached article there may be issues with firewalls and therefore routers?
> This will require further investigation. Splashtop remote is supposed to be
> very fast and also runs on all platforms so I have not abandoned its
> potential use yet.
>
> Teamviewer might be the more appropriate choice...any thoughts?
>
> Jim
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
> To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
> Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2014 9:57:09 AM
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] LogMeIn is no more
>
> Hi Jim
>
> Even as a loyal user, this was such a surprise to me that I posted this to
> the forum:
>
> <quote>
> "As a help to our loyal users we'll give you 60, no 30, no 7 (seven) days
> to ..."
>
> Sorry, this is not a way to address loyal users. We're off.
> I'm quite sure the competion will know how to not pertinently address
> loyal users.
>
> Even after 30 years in this business, the way suppliers can address
> customers still surprises me. Some people are not educated, I've realized,
> or just plain stupid.
> </quote>
>
> Now, what was the name of the very interesting newcomer, you told about
> not so long ago, please?
>
> /gustav
>
>
> >>> accessd at shaw.ca 25-01-14 18:34 >>>
> Hi All:
>
> Well the truth is LogMeIn is still there but now the model is
> pay-as-you-go. Today I will be running around to a couple of clients and
> replacing their remote products...but I still have not decided which one is
> best. I am sort of leaning towards Splashtop Remote...any thought?
>
>
> http://www.infoworld.com/t/free-tools/locked-out-of-logmein-check-out-these-free-alternatives-234812
>
> Jim
>
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Mon Mar 17 14:05:38 2014
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2014 15:05:38 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Win7/DHCP question
In-Reply-To: <4c62dbe7b65f4c29a9dfd49be5b635bf@AMSPR06MB311.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
References: <4c62dbe7b65f4c29a9dfd49be5b635bf@AMSPR06MB311.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1izPvp7CsB0Web__NCKktCKak3B4AfF0SdoYeiNw_wZYQ@mail.gmail.com>

Gustav,

Thanks for this. Fortunately cables are cheap. I'll buy another and see
whether the problem goes away. The ASUS motherboard has a built-in Ethernet
connection but as it happens I also have a card, so maybe I'll pop it in
first and then re-run Belarc Advisor and see if it's visible.

Arthur


On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 1:01 PM, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Hi Arthur
>
> One of the eight cores breaks.
> That happens. I've seen it two or three times. Nothing compared to the
> troubles with the previous coax cables.
>
> /gustav
>

From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Mon Mar 17 14:06:39 2014
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2014 19:06:39 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] Mozilla cancelled  Firefox for Windows 8
Message-ID: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB08295A12CF0A6C8@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk>

My personal reaction is so what. I am in the who cares what browser is used as long as the BBC web site works.

Martin

Sent from my Windows Phone
________________________________
From: Jim Lawrence
Sent: 17/03/2014 19:02
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] Mozilla cancelled  Firefox for Windows 8

Hi Helmut:

When one of the world's biggest browser developers drops a new platform that is big news. When it is Windows 8.x that is bigger news. Considering that Windows 8.x is the most advertised application/platform (and expensive...Microsoft is paying more on advertising the product than it makes in sales) in history and their growth is limp to say the least...the graphs say it all.

http://gs.statcounter.com/#all-os-ww-monthly-201303-201403

...and...

http://gs.statcounter.com/#all-os-ww-monthly-201303-201403-bar

...or more long range...

http://gs.statcounter.com/#all-os-ww-monthly-200812-201403

As long as sales of Windows 7, Office and servers can continue as strong, Windows 8.x advertising will be able to continue.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Helmut Kotsch" <hkotsch at arcor.de>
To: "Off Topic" <dba-ot at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, 17 March, 2014 4:31:18 AM
Subject: [dba-OT] Mozilla cancelled  Firefox for Windows 8

Mozilla cancelled  Firefox for Windows 8



https://blog.mozilla.org/futurereleases/2014/03/14/metro/



Helmut

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Mar 17 14:19:54 2014
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2014 13:19:54 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Win7/DHCP question
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1hTvykPt2sthyYrqA7OK06PXMtaOK-t5bkuDm8XViESjQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <12307966.4610866.1395083994123.JavaMail.root@cds018>

Hi Arthur:

Answer: Yes.

Aside: Could not resist to re-post this link as it sounds so typical. If I did not have a number of application development and support gigs, the linked article would describe my life in IT to a "T". ;-)

http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/10-things/i-quit-10-things-that-drove-me-out-of-it/#ftag=RSS56d97e7

OTOH, I did not loss my passion for tech but did loss my passion for clients...retirement is wonderful and not sleeping due to stress or late night jobs, are a thing of the past.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Arthur Fuller" <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, 17 March, 2014 6:15:27 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Win7/DHCP question

Gustav.

Thanks for the prompt reply, although I'm not sure what it implies. Here's
the current setup: 2 machines, one laptop running Windows 8.1, which
connects just fine. Machine #2 is an AMD-64 running Windows 7.

Does the fact that the laptop connects to the net just fine imply that DCHP
server is in fact running on the router?

How can I check the DHCP settings on the Windows 7 box?

And while I'm at it, has anyone successfully set up a home network that
uses both Windows 8 and Windows 7 machines?


On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 9:03 AM, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Hi Arthur
>
> That's the default configuration of Windows 7, so it might be that the
> DHCP server is not running on the router, which is the typical setup for a
> scenario like yours.
>
> /gustav
>
>
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Mar 17 14:22:42 2014
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2014 13:22:42 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Win7/DHCP question
In-Reply-To: <53271003.1020001@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <1524083100.4612948.1395084162977.JavaMail.root@cds018>

Hi Tina:

That is not a bug of Windows but a feature that keep IT tech support gainfully employed.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tina Norris Fields" <tinanfields at torchlake.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, 17 March, 2014 8:08:51 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Win7/DHCP question

Hi Arthur,

My wireless home network has Win 8.1, Win 7, and Win XP machines on it.  
The term "successfully" catches me off-guard, because occasionally, one 
of the updates for Windows manages to break the network.  I don't know 
why that happens, but, it has happened on my network about five times.  
The network connectivity just disappears - was there last night and is 
gone this morning - then, in a day or so, it reappears.  Both actions 
appear following some update.  Here's hoping the network experts on our 
list can explain that.  I have a named SSID to which all the computers 
are attached.  All of them have Internet access through the routers (one 
at the POE and another in my office), and usually, they all see one 
another.  So, I'd say I have almost successfully set up my network with 
different Windows operating systems.

Hope that helps,
TNF

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
231-322-2787

On 3/17/2014 9:15 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote:
> Gustav.
>
> Thanks for the prompt reply, although I'm not sure what it implies. Here's
> the current setup: 2 machines, one laptop running Windows 8.1, which
> connects just fine. Machine #2 is an AMD-64 running Windows 7.
>
> Does the fact that the laptop connects to the net just fine imply that DCHP
> server is in fact running on the router?
>
> How can I check the DHCP settings on the Windows 7 box?
>
> And while I'm at it, has anyone successfully set up a home network that
> uses both Windows 8 and Windows 7 machines?
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 9:03 AM, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
>
>> Hi Arthur
>>
>> That's the default configuration of Windows 7, so it might be that the
>> DHCP server is not running on the router, which is the typical setup for a
>> scenario like yours.
>>
>> /gustav
>>
>>
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Mar 17 14:30:57 2014
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2014 13:30:57 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Win7/DHCP question
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1gtT4gucXyvUtMsaS7wcuyF=MLxB2cnXbf9YnqP77=-aA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1756780253.4618540.1395084657168.JavaMail.root@cds018>

Hi Arthur:

That is one of the mysteries of the universe. But check your LAN cards; a good power bounce will kill them or worse, make them undependable.

Jim

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From: "Arthur Fuller" <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, 17 March, 2014 9:51:05 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Win7/DHCP question

Gustav and Tina,

Turns out the problem was much simpler than that. Somehow the network cable
died. A simple replacement fixed the problem. (This begs the question, How
does a network cable die?

Arthur

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From marklbreen at gmail.com  Mon Mar 17 14:34:59 2014
From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen)
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2014 19:34:59 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Free Intro to Linux Course
In-Reply-To: <CALGJE95r=jQ8=WUr7SUBnOQ6jTNXbhxFSUtoBEPP4uzVmDAH-Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAAZtbWEmCwM3GZyXU3zrtCNguuEYufQiq6Fo8H8EjvHs7ZJU6w@mail.gmail.com>
	<CALGJE95r=jQ8=WUr7SUBnOQ6jTNXbhxFSUtoBEPP4uzVmDAH-Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGXtTCimvpT7zAuvwP_6aYJRSuDuAgfxuU6RcM6hmqEXnYaKzg@mail.gmail.com>

Hey Paul,

grab an old laptop, download Ubuntu and a nify util named Unbootin and make
your old laptop a Ubuntu machine.  You will love it.

Mark




On 17 March 2014 18:08, Paul Hartland <paul.hartland at googlemail.com> wrote:

> Has almost made me think about trying linux maybe on a virtual server, even
> took a look at Xubuntu earlier, and just signed up for the free audit plan,
> as do not have a spare $250 at the moment.
>
> Paul
>
>
> On 17 March 2014 15:17, Bryan Carbonnell <carbonnb at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > For those of you that use or want to learn to use Linux, edX is
> > offereing a free Intro to Linux course.
> >
> > Here is a link to an article about it:
> >
> >
> >
> http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/03/2400-introduction-to-linux-course-will-be-free-and-online-this-summer/
> >
> > Here is a direct link to sign up for the course:
> >
> >
> https://www.edx.org/course/linuxfoundationx/linuxfoundationx-lfs101x-introduction-1621
> >
> >
> > --
> > Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com
> > Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well
> > preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out,
> > shouting "What a great ride!"
> > _______________________________________________
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> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
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> >
>
>
>
> --
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Mar 17 14:38:44 2014
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2014 13:38:44 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Win7/DHCP question
In-Reply-To: <4c62dbe7b65f4c29a9dfd49be5b635bf@AMSPR06MB311.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <74684820.4625372.1395085124094.JavaMail.root@cds018>

Hi Gustav:

I actually found Coax cables better but if the ends were not put on properly there were no end of problems. In factories and mills, Coax cabling was superior as the cables was tougher and it had better shielding...its weakness was of course, NIC performance. Our best ISP has their network built on coax cabling and they support, the internet, TV and phones, simultaneously...fiber optic cabling is the heir apparent.

Jim 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, 17 March, 2014 10:01:37 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Win7/DHCP question

Hi Arthur

One of the eight cores breaks. 
That happens. I've seen it two or three times. Nothing compared to the troubles with the previous coax cables.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Arthur Fuller
Sendt: 17. marts 2014 17:51
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Win7/DHCP question

Gustav and Tina,

Turns out the problem was much simpler than that. Somehow the network cable died. A simple replacement fixed the problem. (This begs the question, How does a network cable die?

Arthur 

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From erbachs at gmail.com  Mon Mar 17 14:39:30 2014
From: erbachs at gmail.com (Steve Erbach)
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2014 14:39:30 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Win7/DHCP question
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1hTvykPt2sthyYrqA7OK06PXMtaOK-t5bkuDm8XViESjQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8e12814ee5d646e1b7ff754ba39eb5b3@AMSPR06MB311.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
	<CAEPJO1hTvykPt2sthyYrqA7OK06PXMtaOK-t5bkuDm8XViESjQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAOY=wEJKLc+Bw_z8b-CKVuWozDMrEuXJ=FSWakeb8JBjaa2tTA@mail.gmail.com>

Arthur,

Looks like you got your main problem fixed. I'm just responding to your
question about home networks. Ours has a Windows 8.1 netbook, several
desktops/laptops/netbooks running Windows 7, two iPhones, three iPods, two
Android phones, a couple VirtualBox virtual computers and various Microsfot
Virtual PCs running various OSes. The NetGear router we now have seems to
handle them all pretty well.



On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 8:15 AM, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com>wrote:

> Gustav.
>
> Thanks for the prompt reply, although I'm not sure what it implies. Here's
> the current setup: 2 machines, one laptop running Windows 8.1, which
> connects just fine. Machine #2 is an AMD-64 running Windows 7.
>
> Does the fact that the laptop connects to the net just fine imply that DCHP
> server is in fact running on the router?
>
> How can I check the DHCP settings on the Windows 7 box?
>
> And while I'm at it, has anyone successfully set up a home network that
> uses both Windows 8 and Windows 7 machines?
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 9:03 AM, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
>
> > Hi Arthur
> >
> > That's the default configuration of Windows 7, so it might be that the
> > DHCP server is not running on the router, which is the typical setup for
> a
> > scenario like yours.
> >
> > /gustav
> >
> >
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Mar 17 14:41:05 2014
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2014 13:41:05 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] LogMeIn is no more
In-Reply-To: <d517bbb2f9ea48cebf3da3eacce633a3@AMSPR06MB311.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <1207009956.4626947.1395085265360.JavaMail.root@cds018>

Hi Gustav:

Well, that sounds promising.

"Remote Utilities let you open a normal Remote Desktop session via a dynamic port."
Through routers?

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, 17 March, 2014 10:19:17 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] LogMeIn is no more

Hi Jim

I don't know, but there is a viewer for iPhone ...

One limitation I can find is, that screen options are limited. LogMeIn is very good at that.
However, Remote Utilities let you open a normal Remote Desktop session via a dynamic port. Very smart.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Jim Lawrence
Sendt: 17. marts 2014 18:06
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] LogMeIn is no more

Hi Gustav:

Definitely looks like an interesting product and I will have to investigate further.

Question: Does it support Apple or Linux?

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, 16 March, 2014 2:03:14 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] LogMeIn is no more

Hi Jim et al

As mentioned elsewhere, we settled with Remote Utilities and the free version for commercial use and ten hosts:

    http://www.remoteutilities.com

Note that the viewers are free (no license).

/gustav

________________________________________
Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com <dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> p? vegne af Gustav Brock
Sendt: 27. januar 2014 20:10
Til: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] LogMeIn is no more

Hi Jim

I've found Splashtop close to useless. Controlling an older XP machine takes minutes where it should take seconds.
So I installed it on a local Windows 7 machine with i3 cpu, and that could be controlled with a high degree of patience but still useless for work.

Then I installed TeamViewer and it rushed away at once, much like standard remote desktop and as LogMeIn does.

So sadly, Splashtop may be fine for mobile devices (didn't try that, don't have the need) but not as an alternative for desktop use.

/gustav


>>> accessd at shaw.ca 26-01-14 19:53 >>>
Hi Gustav:

I have found similar and other issues with Splashtop Remote as well. Keep us posted on what you find out with Teamviewer.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2014 1:29:45 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] LogMeIn is no more

Hi Jim

No it was Splashtop I checked out. On that old WinXp host it takes 1:45 to open a tiny text file, render it, and close it again. With LogMeIn on that machine you can perform normal tasks though not speedy. This is across a 2 Mb/s WAN. RDP runs at close to normal working speed.

I noticed that when Splashtop open the connection to the machine, the splashtop service at once goes to 95% CPU usage where LogMeIn would stay at a few percent.

I have yet to test Teamviewer, but the license model is very inflexible.

/gustav

>>> accessd at shaw.ca 26-01-14 0:29 >>>
Hi Gustav:

I had OpenVPN running from a (Linux) server at my home and found the performance was more the adequate in allowing me to access all networks station (Linux and Windows), from another city.

If you tried to run an OpenVPN server on just an old XP box, one on which requires a extra translation layer, it was surprising that it actually worked at all. ;-) XP runs an OpenVPN client just fine though.

The application of course is going to be much slower than an app like Splashtop Desktop where only keyboard type inputs are sent one way and images are sent the other. A VPN is an encrypted tunnel...with a lot more overhead...privacy and security is the expectation.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2014 1:59:38 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] LogMeIn is no more

Hi Jim

I'm not sure. I just tried to install it on a WinXP machine and remote control that from my Win8.1 Desktop. It is so slow over a 2 Mb/s line that it is useless, much slower than even VNC. The Windows App doesn't work at all.

What about OpenVPN? It seems to require that you run a server of your own?

/gustav

>>> accessd at shaw.ca 25-01-14 21:43 >>>
Hi Gustav:

It looks like that may be the best quick answer. As for any large sites maybe a OpenVPN server (http://openvpn.net) on the client's server may be the best long term answer and from there, I can just RDP in or connect via the shares to all the stations.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2014 11:23:43 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] LogMeIn is no more

Hi Jim et all

Splashtop seems to win on a simple commercial pricing where indeed TeamViewer is very limited regarding installs and "channels":

1.Simple, affordable pricing model * $60 per user per year, to remotely control an unlimited number of computers from an unlimited number of devices.

And they even feature a Windows Phone app. I like that, though I'll probably never use it.

/gustav


>>> gustav at cactus.dk 25-01-14 20:12 >>>
Hi Jim

Splashtop works across firewalls if you sign up for the web access option.

/gustav

>>> accessd at shaw.ca 25-01-14 19:30 >>>
Hi Gustav:

I found out the LogMeIn was dead when my client told me it wasn't working...very upsetting and to my way of thinking not very unprofessional. It will be a while before I will endorse the product again, if ever.

I had initially been interested in Splashtop remote, but according to the attached article there may be issues with firewalls and therefore routers? This will require further investigation. Splashtop remote is supposed to be very fast and also runs on all platforms so I have not abandoned its potential use yet.

Teamviewer might be the more appropriate choice...any thoughts?

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2014 9:57:09 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] LogMeIn is no more

Hi Jim

Even as a loyal user, this was such a surprise to me that I posted this to the forum:

<quote>
"As a help to our loyal users we'll give you 60, no 30, no 7 (seven) days to ..."

Sorry, this is not a way to address loyal users. We're off.
I'm quite sure the competion will know how to not pertinently address loyal users.

Even after 30 years in this business, the way suppliers can address customers still surprises me. Some people are not educated, I've realized, or just plain stupid.
</quote>

Now, what was the name of the very interesting newcomer, you told about not so long ago, please?

/gustav


>>> accessd at shaw.ca 25-01-14 18:34 >>>
Hi All:

Well the truth is LogMeIn is still there but now the model is pay-as-you-go. Today I will be running around to a couple of clients and replacing their remote products...but I still have not decided which one is best. I am sort of leaning towards Splashtop Remote...any thought?

http://www.infoworld.com/t/free-tools/locked-out-of-logmein-check-out-these-free-alternatives-234812

Jim 

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From erbachs at gmail.com  Mon Mar 17 14:45:42 2014
From: erbachs at gmail.com (Steve Erbach)
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2014 14:45:42 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Yahoo mail 1 TB?
In-Reply-To: <1430699034.3679007.1394945255617.JavaMail.root@cds018>
References: <01cc01cf40cd$9662bb80$c3283280$@winhaven.net>
	<1430699034.3679007.1394945255617.JavaMail.root@cds018>
Message-ID: <CAOY=wEKis_W0-UQWEQZi2436RoJMpVid0JXRn-rM+CnHwJ=O5w@mail.gmail.com>

Jim,

>> or at the chair, in front of the keyboard? <<

Ah! The old NLIOC error: Nut Loose In Operator's Chair!



On Sat, Mar 15, 2014 at 11:47 PM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> Sign...some things never change.
>
> I wonder if the week link was at the Yahoo account or at the chair, in
> front of the keyboard?
>
> Jim
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Bartow" <jbartow at winhaven.net>
> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <
> dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2014 9:09:53 PM
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Yahoo mail 1 TB?
>
> Hi Gustav,
> I don't believe so as AT& users can login from the Yahoo.com UI.
>
> Just this afternoon I had another home customer text me that their Yahoo
> account had been hacked. They do not have an AT&T email domain but a direct
> Yahoo.com account.  :-(
>
> John B
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
> Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2014 2:05 PM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Yahoo mail 1 TB?
>
> Hi John
>
> That doesn't sound nice.
> Would there be any difference between AT&T/Yahoo accounts and a general
> Yahoo account?
>
> /gustav
>
>

From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Mar 17 14:51:22 2014
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2014 13:51:22 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Free Intro to Linux Course
In-Reply-To: <CALGJE95r=jQ8=WUr7SUBnOQ6jTNXbhxFSUtoBEPP4uzVmDAH-Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1716187416.4634231.1395085882477.JavaMail.root@cds018>

Hi Paul:

Ran up a free personal copy of VMWare player and browsed to a Linux application ISO. The player was smart enough to realize that the ISO was just an application and not an OS so it automatically install Linux and then ran the application. Impressive to say the least.

Running up a Linux of any flavour, on a virtual drive, would be simple.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Hartland" <paul.hartland at googlemail.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, 17 March, 2014 11:08:52 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Free Intro to Linux Course

Has almost made me think about trying linux maybe on a virtual server, even
took a look at Xubuntu earlier, and just signed up for the free audit plan,
as do not have a spare $250 at the moment.

Paul


On 17 March 2014 15:17, Bryan Carbonnell <carbonnb at gmail.com> wrote:

> For those of you that use or want to learn to use Linux, edX is
> offereing a free Intro to Linux course.
>
> Here is a link to an article about it:
>
>
> http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/03/2400-introduction-to-linux-course-will-be-free-and-online-this-summer/
>
> Here is a direct link to sign up for the course:
>
> https://www.edx.org/course/linuxfoundationx/linuxfoundationx-lfs101x-introduction-1621
>
>
> --
> Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com
> Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well
> preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out,
> shouting "What a great ride!"
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Mar 17 14:52:55 2014
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2014 13:52:55 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] Mozilla cancelled  Firefox for Windows 8
In-Reply-To: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB08295A12CF0A6C8@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <778853302.4635351.1395085975007.JavaMail.root@cds018>

Good point. ;-)

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Martin Reid" <mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, 17 March, 2014 12:06:39 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] Mozilla cancelled  Firefox for Windows 8

My personal reaction is so what. I am in the who cares what browser is used as long as the BBC web site works.

Martin

Sent from my Windows Phone
________________________________
From: Jim Lawrence
Sent: 17/03/2014 19:02
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] Mozilla cancelled  Firefox for Windows 8

Hi Helmut:

When one of the world's biggest browser developers drops a new platform that is big news. When it is Windows 8.x that is bigger news. Considering that Windows 8.x is the most advertised application/platform (and expensive...Microsoft is paying more on advertising the product than it makes in sales) in history and their growth is limp to say the least...the graphs say it all.

http://gs.statcounter.com/#all-os-ww-monthly-201303-201403

...and...

http://gs.statcounter.com/#all-os-ww-monthly-201303-201403-bar

...or more long range...

http://gs.statcounter.com/#all-os-ww-monthly-200812-201403

As long as sales of Windows 7, Office and servers can continue as strong, Windows 8.x advertising will be able to continue.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Helmut Kotsch" <hkotsch at arcor.de>
To: "Off Topic" <dba-ot at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, 17 March, 2014 4:31:18 AM
Subject: [dba-OT] Mozilla cancelled  Firefox for Windows 8

Mozilla cancelled  Firefox for Windows 8



https://blog.mozilla.org/futurereleases/2014/03/14/metro/



Helmut

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Mar 17 14:57:54 2014
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2014 13:57:54 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Free Intro to Linux Course
In-Reply-To: <CAGXtTCimvpT7zAuvwP_6aYJRSuDuAgfxuU6RcM6hmqEXnYaKzg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2074569606.4640053.1395086274189.JavaMail.root@cds018>

Hi Mark:

UNetbootin is a very interesting product...new to me. Thanks for posting.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Breen" <marklbreen at gmail.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, 17 March, 2014 12:34:59 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Free Intro to Linux Course

Hey Paul,

grab an old laptop, download Ubuntu and a nify util named Unbootin and make
your old laptop a Ubuntu machine.  You will love it.

Mark




On 17 March 2014 18:08, Paul Hartland <paul.hartland at googlemail.com> wrote:

> Has almost made me think about trying linux maybe on a virtual server, even
> took a look at Xubuntu earlier, and just signed up for the free audit plan,
> as do not have a spare $250 at the moment.
>
> Paul
>
>
> On 17 March 2014 15:17, Bryan Carbonnell <carbonnb at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > For those of you that use or want to learn to use Linux, edX is
> > offereing a free Intro to Linux course.
> >
> > Here is a link to an article about it:
> >
> >
> >
> http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/03/2400-introduction-to-linux-course-will-be-free-and-online-this-summer/
> >
> > Here is a direct link to sign up for the course:
> >
> >
> https://www.edx.org/course/linuxfoundationx/linuxfoundationx-lfs101x-introduction-1621
> >
> >
> > --
> > Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com
> > Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well
> > preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out,
> > shouting "What a great ride!"
> > _______________________________________________
> > dba-Tech mailing list
> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Paul Hartland
> paul.hartland at googlemail.com
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon Mar 17 15:31:23 2014
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2014 13:31:23 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Yahoo mail 1 TB?
In-Reply-To: <CAOY=wEKis_W0-UQWEQZi2436RoJMpVid0JXRn-rM+CnHwJ=O5w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <01cc01cf40cd$9662bb80$c3283280$@winhaven.net><1430699034.3679007.1394945255617.JavaMail.root@cds018>
	<CAOY=wEKis_W0-UQWEQZi2436RoJMpVid0JXRn-rM+CnHwJ=O5w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D5F19ED9312244629024DB455B6D2409@HAL9007>

PEBCAK I believe is the correct acronym.

R 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Erbach
Sent: Monday, March 17, 2014 12:46 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Yahoo mail 1 TB?

Jim,

>> or at the chair, in front of the keyboard? <<

Ah! The old NLIOC error: Nut Loose In Operator's Chair!



On Sat, Mar 15, 2014 at 11:47 PM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> Sign...some things never change.
>
> I wonder if the week link was at the Yahoo account or at the chair, in 
> front of the keyboard?
>
> Jim
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Bartow" <jbartow at winhaven.net>
> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" < 
> dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2014 9:09:53 PM
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Yahoo mail 1 TB?
>
> Hi Gustav,
> I don't believe so as AT& users can login from the Yahoo.com UI.
>
> Just this afternoon I had another home customer text me that their 
> Yahoo account had been hacked. They do not have an AT&T email domain 
> but a direct Yahoo.com account.  :-(
>
> John B
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav 
> Brock
> Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2014 2:05 PM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Yahoo mail 1 TB?
>
> Hi John
>
> That doesn't sound nice.
> Would there be any difference between AT&T/Yahoo accounts and a 
> general Yahoo account?
>
> /gustav
>
>
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Mar 17 16:11:02 2014
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2014 21:11:02 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] LogMeIn is no more
In-Reply-To: <1207009956.4626947.1395085265360.JavaMail.root@cds018>
References: <d517bbb2f9ea48cebf3da3eacce633a3@AMSPR06MB311.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>,
	<1207009956.4626947.1395085265360.JavaMail.root@cds018>
Message-ID: <47cbe2157f754657a2c4a02cabf992ad@AMSPR06MB311.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Jim

Yes.

/gustav
________________________________________
Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com <dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> p? vegne af Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca>
Sendt: 17. marts 2014 20:41
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] LogMeIn is no more

Hi Gustav:

Well, that sounds promising.

"Remote Utilities let you open a normal Remote Desktop session via a dynamic port."
Through routers?

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, 17 March, 2014 10:19:17 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] LogMeIn is no more

Hi Jim

I don't know, but there is a viewer for iPhone ...

One limitation I can find is, that screen options are limited. LogMeIn is very good at that.
However, Remote Utilities let you open a normal Remote Desktop session via a dynamic port. Very smart.

/gustav

From gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Mar 17 16:16:42 2014
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2014 21:16:42 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] Mozilla cancelled  Firefox for Windows 8
In-Reply-To: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB08295A12CF0A6C8@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk>
References: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB08295A12CF0A6C8@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <e482172a189e4bf9a624d9e3b4a3fe5c@AMSPR06MB311.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Martin

Yes, who cares. What is Firefox??

/gustav

Sent from my Windows 8.1

________________________________________
Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com <dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> p? vegne af Martin Reid <mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk>
Sendt: 17. marts 2014 20:06
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] Mozilla cancelled  Firefox for Windows 8

My personal reaction is so what. I am in the who cares what browser is used as long as the BBC web site works.

Martin

Sent from my Windows Phone
________________________________
From: Jim Lawrence
Sent: 17/03/2014 19:02
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] Mozilla cancelled  Firefox for Windows 8

Hi Helmut:

When one of the world's biggest browser developers drops a new platform that is big news. When it is Windows 8.x that is bigger news. Considering that Windows 8.x is the most advertised application/platform (and expensive...Microsoft is paying more on advertising the product than it makes in sales) in history and their growth is limp to say the least...the graphs say it all.

http://gs.statcounter.com/#all-os-ww-monthly-201303-201403

...and...

http://gs.statcounter.com/#all-os-ww-monthly-201303-201403-bar

...or more long range...

http://gs.statcounter.com/#all-os-ww-monthly-200812-201403

As long as sales of Windows 7, Office and servers can continue as strong, Windows 8.x advertising will be able to continue.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Helmut Kotsch" <hkotsch at arcor.de>
To: "Off Topic" <dba-ot at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, 17 March, 2014 4:31:18 AM
Subject: [dba-OT] Mozilla cancelled  Firefox for Windows 8

Mozilla cancelled  Firefox for Windows 8



https://blog.mozilla.org/futurereleases/2014/03/14/metro/



Helmut


From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Mar 17 16:36:44 2014
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2014 15:36:44 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] LogMeIn is no more
In-Reply-To: <47cbe2157f754657a2c4a02cabf992ad@AMSPR06MB311.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <952578307.4712251.1395092204540.JavaMail.root@cds018>

Hi Gustav:

Assuming that it does not just use port 80 that is tricky...

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, 17 March, 2014 2:11:02 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] LogMeIn is no more

Hi Jim

Yes.

/gustav
________________________________________
Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com <dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> p? vegne af Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca>
Sendt: 17. marts 2014 20:41
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] LogMeIn is no more

Hi Gustav:

Well, that sounds promising.

"Remote Utilities let you open a normal Remote Desktop session via a dynamic port."
Through routers?

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, 17 March, 2014 10:19:17 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] LogMeIn is no more

Hi Jim

I don't know, but there is a viewer for iPhone ...

One limitation I can find is, that screen options are limited. LogMeIn is very good at that.
However, Remote Utilities let you open a normal Remote Desktop session via a dynamic port. Very smart.

/gustav
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Mar 17 17:08:15 2014
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2014 16:08:15 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] Mozilla cancelled  Firefox for Windows 8
In-Reply-To: <e482172a189e4bf9a624d9e3b4a3fe5c@AMSPR06MB311.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <724300788.4732999.1395094095606.JavaMail.root@cds018>

The first program you download with IE?

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, March 17, 2014 2:16:42 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] Mozilla cancelled  Firefox for Windows 8

Hi Martin

Yes, who cares. What is Firefox??

/gustav

Sent from my Windows 8.1

________________________________________
Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com <dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> p? vegne af Martin Reid <mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk>
Sendt: 17. marts 2014 20:06
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] Mozilla cancelled  Firefox for Windows 8

My personal reaction is so what. I am in the who cares what browser is used as long as the BBC web site works.

Martin

Sent from my Windows Phone
________________________________
From: Jim Lawrence
Sent: 17/03/2014 19:02
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] Mozilla cancelled  Firefox for Windows 8

Hi Helmut:

When one of the world's biggest browser developers drops a new platform that is big news. When it is Windows 8.x that is bigger news. Considering that Windows 8.x is the most advertised application/platform (and expensive...Microsoft is paying more on advertising the product than it makes in sales) in history and their growth is limp to say the least...the graphs say it all.

http://gs.statcounter.com/#all-os-ww-monthly-201303-201403

...and...

http://gs.statcounter.com/#all-os-ww-monthly-201303-201403-bar

...or more long range...

http://gs.statcounter.com/#all-os-ww-monthly-200812-201403

As long as sales of Windows 7, Office and servers can continue as strong, Windows 8.x advertising will be able to continue.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Helmut Kotsch" <hkotsch at arcor.de>
To: "Off Topic" <dba-ot at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, 17 March, 2014 4:31:18 AM
Subject: [dba-OT] Mozilla cancelled  Firefox for Windows 8

Mozilla cancelled  Firefox for Windows 8



https://blog.mozilla.org/futurereleases/2014/03/14/metro/



Helmut

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Mar 17 17:23:02 2014
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2014 16:23:02 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Free Intro to Linux Course
In-Reply-To: <CAAZtbWEmCwM3GZyXU3zrtCNguuEYufQiq6Fo8H8EjvHs7ZJU6w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1900853606.4743226.1395094982535.JavaMail.root@cds018>

Hi Bryan:

I have looked through as much information as I can and it looks like good a course...winter may have been a better time for this course though.

Thanks for posting.

Jim 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bryan Carbonnell" <carbonnb at gmail.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>, "Off Topic" <dba-ot at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, March 17, 2014 8:17:47 AM
Subject: [dba-Tech] Free Intro to Linux Course

For those of you that use or want to learn to use Linux, edX is
offereing a free Intro to Linux course.

Here is a link to an article about it:

http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/03/2400-introduction-to-linux-course-will-be-free-and-online-this-summer/

Here is a direct link to sign up for the course:
https://www.edx.org/course/linuxfoundationx/linuxfoundationx-lfs101x-introduction-1621


-- 
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com
Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well
preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out,
shouting "What a great ride!"
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Mar 17 17:33:17 2014
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2014 16:33:17 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Security
In-Reply-To: <1818360624.3482588.1394910397900.JavaMail.root@cds018>
Message-ID: <837036940.4749264.1395095597696.JavaMail.root@cds018>

Thanks everyone that offered help.

The training of the staff only took about hour and then another tech guy, who also does some of the company's business, dropped by and he turned out to be quite an unpleasant fellow. You will be pleased to know I managed to handle him with politeness, feigned concern and resisted the temptation to beat him senseless with a keyboard and throttle him with a mouse cable. ;-)

I guess his nose was out joint that he did not get asked to give a similar presentation. (Now I know why they didn't ask him).

Jim 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2014 12:06:37 PM
Subject: [dba-Tech] Security

Hi all:

I have been asked to give a little talk about security to a company and it workers come Monday.

The subject of the speech will go something like this:

One, Make sure the router is set up property whether at the office or home. Change the password from the default, something around ten plus digits, a mix of numbers, upper and lower case and special characters. Older routers should be replaced as they can be hacked. If you want security, limit your dependency on Wi-Fi. (There is software out there that can read the Wi-Fi signal and I would suspect write it.) So don't use Wi-Fi in the office. Don't open any router ports other than 80 or 8080. If you do have to have other open ports, the Virtual drives are your friend...just set up your router to point towards the appropriate virtual drive's IP address triggered by the data arriving on a specific port number. (Note: limit ports open that do not have application continually listening on them.)   

Two, if you are using XP, start using another browser. The IE browsers supported by XP are not safe.

Three, watch what you open in your mail client. This is where most if not all malware originates from. If you are at work and if in doubt, never open it.

That is a quick off the top list of talking points. If anyone could recommend further important items to discuss it would be greatly appreciated.

MTIA

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From erbachs at gmail.com  Mon Mar 17 17:33:28 2014
From: erbachs at gmail.com (Steve Erbach)
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2014 17:33:28 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Yahoo mail 1 TB?
In-Reply-To: <D5F19ED9312244629024DB455B6D2409@HAL9007>
References: <01cc01cf40cd$9662bb80$c3283280$@winhaven.net>
	<1430699034.3679007.1394945255617.JavaMail.root@cds018>
	<CAOY=wEKis_W0-UQWEQZi2436RoJMpVid0JXRn-rM+CnHwJ=O5w@mail.gmail.com>
	<D5F19ED9312244629024DB455B6D2409@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <CAOY=wEL+RkoXGJBH3Qxx6CBOE8oMKz65N3bitstM2YG+vfuuaA@mail.gmail.com>

Rocky,

OK, I'll bite...what is PEBCAK?



On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 3:31 PM, Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>wrote:

> PEBCAK I believe is the correct acronym.
>
> R
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Erbach
> Sent: Monday, March 17, 2014 12:46 PM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Yahoo mail 1 TB?
>
> Jim,
>
> >> or at the chair, in front of the keyboard? <<
>
> Ah! The old NLIOC error: Nut Loose In Operator's Chair!
>
>
>
> On Sat, Mar 15, 2014 at 11:47 PM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
>
> > Sign...some things never change.
> >
> > I wonder if the week link was at the Yahoo account or at the chair, in
> > front of the keyboard?
> >
> > Jim
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "John Bartow" <jbartow at winhaven.net>
> > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <
> > dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2014 9:09:53 PM
> > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Yahoo mail 1 TB?
> >
> > Hi Gustav,
> > I don't believe so as AT& users can login from the Yahoo.com UI.
> >
> > Just this afternoon I had another home customer text me that their
> > Yahoo account had been hacked. They do not have an AT&T email domain
> > but a direct Yahoo.com account.  :-(
> >
> > John B
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav
> > Brock
> > Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2014 2:05 PM
> > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Yahoo mail 1 TB?
> >
> > Hi John
> >
> > That doesn't sound nice.
> > Would there be any difference between AT&T/Yahoo accounts and a
> > general Yahoo account?
> >
> > /gustav
> >
> >
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Mar 17 17:44:13 2014
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2014 16:44:13 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] LogMeIn is no more
In-Reply-To: <CAEkqQpXic=aq1vNynK=oDk+SG-fE8cXS5oWeL7_YbV=rkGOuUA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1434423029.4755447.1395096253389.JavaMail.root@cds018>

I must apologize too. 

According to a friend, his neighbour's black Scotty dog, rolled in another neighbours lawn fertilized with fish manure. According to the tale, the dog has retained a nick-name of Hamachi.

Jim    

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ed Tesiny" <eptept at gmail.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, March 17, 2014 5:29:32 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] LogMeIn is no more

I apologize for this comment but I prefer my Hamachi raw with a bit of
wasabi and soy, some grated daikon is good too.


On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 8:09 AM, Mark Breen <marklbreen at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello All,
>
> I use Hamachi since Mr Colby introduced us to it in 2007.  For me it works
> great.  I have about 5 hamachi networks and I pay about $30 per year per
> network.  Once I set up Hamachi for a client, I can access up to 30 of
> their machines on that same hamachi network.
>
> I never did use LogMeIn, if I needed rdp access to a machine, I installed
> Hamachi on it and then did a regular rdp.
>
> My question to the group is am I missing something?
>
> Given that I already am familiar with Hamachi and it is not difficult to
> install, is there a reason to use LetMeIn (free or not).
>
> Gustav, thank you for the link, I had a look at it but am still wondering
> if I am missing something that makes my hamachi solution cumbersome?
>
> Happy St Patrick's day to all.
>
> thanks
>
> Mark
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 16 March 2014 21:03, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
>
> > Hi Jim et al
> >
> > As mentioned elsewhere, we settled with Remote Utilities and the free
> > version for commercial use and ten hosts:
> >
> >     http://www.remoteutilities.com
> >
> > Note that the viewers are free (no license).
> >
> > /gustav
> >
> > ________________________________________
> > Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com <
> > dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> p? vegne af Gustav Brock
> > Sendt: 27. januar 2014 20:10
> > Til: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] LogMeIn is no more
> >
> > Hi Jim
> >
> > I've found Splashtop close to useless. Controlling an older XP machine
> > takes minutes where it should take seconds.
> > So I installed it on a local Windows 7 machine with i3 cpu, and that
> could
> > be controlled with a high degree of patience but still useless for work.
> >
> > Then I installed TeamViewer and it rushed away at once, much like
> standard
> > remote desktop and as LogMeIn does.
> >
> > So sadly, Splashtop may be fine for mobile devices (didn't try that,
> don't
> > have the need) but not as an alternative for desktop use.
> >
> > /gustav
> >
> >
> > >>> accessd at shaw.ca 26-01-14 19:53 >>>
> > Hi Gustav:
> >
> > I have found similar and other issues with Splashtop Remote as well. Keep
> > us posted on what you find out with Teamviewer.
> >
> > Jim
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
> > To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2014 1:29:45 AM
> > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] LogMeIn is no more
> >
> > Hi Jim
> >
> > No it was Splashtop I checked out. On that old WinXp host it takes 1:45
> to
> > open a tiny text file, render it, and close it again. With LogMeIn on
> that
> > machine you can perform normal tasks though not speedy. This is across a
> 2
> > Mb/s WAN. RDP runs at close to normal working speed.
> >
> > I noticed that when Splashtop open the connection to the machine, the
> > splashtop service at once goes to 95% CPU usage where LogMeIn would stay
> at
> > a few percent.
> >
> > I have yet to test Teamviewer, but the license model is very inflexible.
> >
> > /gustav
> >
> > >>> accessd at shaw.ca 26-01-14 0:29 >>>
> > Hi Gustav:
> >
> > I had OpenVPN running from a (Linux) server at my home and found the
> > performance was more the adequate in allowing me to access all networks
> > station (Linux and Windows), from another city.
> >
> > If you tried to run an OpenVPN server on just an old XP box, one on which
> > requires a extra translation layer, it was surprising that it actually
> > worked at all. ;-) XP runs an OpenVPN client just fine though.
> >
> > The application of course is going to be much slower than an app like
> > Splashtop Desktop where only keyboard type inputs are sent one way and
> > images are sent the other. A VPN is an encrypted tunnel...with a lot more
> > overhead...privacy and security is the expectation.
> >
> > Jim
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
> > To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2014 1:59:38 PM
> > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] LogMeIn is no more
> >
> > Hi Jim
> >
> > I'm not sure. I just tried to install it on a WinXP machine and remote
> > control that from my Win8.1 Desktop. It is so slow over a 2 Mb/s line
> that
> > it is useless, much slower than even VNC. The Windows App doesn't work at
> > all.
> >
> > What about OpenVPN? It seems to require that you run a server of your
> own?
> >
> > /gustav
> >
> > >>> accessd at shaw.ca 25-01-14 21:43 >>>
> > Hi Gustav:
> >
> > It looks like that may be the best quick answer. As for any large sites
> > maybe a OpenVPN server (http://openvpn.net) on the client's server may
> be
> > the best long term answer and from there, I can just RDP in or connect
> via
> > the shares to all the stations.
> >
> > Jim
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
> > To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2014 11:23:43 AM
> > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] LogMeIn is no more
> >
> > Hi Jim et all
> >
> > Splashtop seems to win on a simple commercial pricing where indeed
> > TeamViewer is very limited regarding installs and "channels":
> >
> > 1.Simple, affordable pricing model * $60 per user per year, to remotely
> > control an unlimited number of computers from an unlimited number of
> > devices.
> >
> > And they even feature a Windows Phone app. I like that, though I'll
> > probably never use it.
> >
> > /gustav
> >
> >
> > >>> gustav at cactus.dk 25-01-14 20:12 >>>
> > Hi Jim
> >
> > Splashtop works across firewalls if you sign up for the web access
> option.
> >
> > /gustav
> >
> > >>> accessd at shaw.ca 25-01-14 19:30 >>>
> > Hi Gustav:
> >
> > I found out the LogMeIn was dead when my client told me it wasn't
> > working...very upsetting and to my way of thinking not very
> unprofessional.
> > It will be a while before I will endorse the product again, if ever.
> >
> > I had initially been interested in Splashtop remote, but according to the
> > attached article there may be issues with firewalls and therefore
> routers?
> > This will require further investigation. Splashtop remote is supposed to
> be
> > very fast and also runs on all platforms so I have not abandoned its
> > potential use yet.
> >
> > Teamviewer might be the more appropriate choice...any thoughts?
> >
> > Jim
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
> > To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2014 9:57:09 AM
> > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] LogMeIn is no more
> >
> > Hi Jim
> >
> > Even as a loyal user, this was such a surprise to me that I posted this
> to
> > the forum:
> >
> > <quote>
> > "As a help to our loyal users we'll give you 60, no 30, no 7 (seven) days
> > to ..."
> >
> > Sorry, this is not a way to address loyal users. We're off.
> > I'm quite sure the competion will know how to not pertinently address
> > loyal users.
> >
> > Even after 30 years in this business, the way suppliers can address
> > customers still surprises me. Some people are not educated, I've
> realized,
> > or just plain stupid.
> > </quote>
> >
> > Now, what was the name of the very interesting newcomer, you told about
> > not so long ago, please?
> >
> > /gustav
> >
> >
> > >>> accessd at shaw.ca 25-01-14 18:34 >>>
> > Hi All:
> >
> > Well the truth is LogMeIn is still there but now the model is
> > pay-as-you-go. Today I will be running around to a couple of clients and
> > replacing their remote products...but I still have not decided which one
> is
> > best. I am sort of leaning towards Splashtop Remote...any thought?
> >
> >
> >
> http://www.infoworld.com/t/free-tools/locked-out-of-logmein-check-out-these-free-alternatives-234812
> >
> > Jim
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > dba-Tech mailing list
> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
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From carbonnb at gmail.com  Mon Mar 17 19:00:49 2014
From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2014 20:00:49 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Yahoo mail 1 TB?
In-Reply-To: <CAOY=wEL+RkoXGJBH3Qxx6CBOE8oMKz65N3bitstM2YG+vfuuaA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <01cc01cf40cd$9662bb80$c3283280$@winhaven.net>
	<1430699034.3679007.1394945255617.JavaMail.root@cds018>
	<CAOY=wEKis_W0-UQWEQZi2436RoJMpVid0JXRn-rM+CnHwJ=O5w@mail.gmail.com>
	<D5F19ED9312244629024DB455B6D2409@HAL9007>
	<CAOY=wEL+RkoXGJBH3Qxx6CBOE8oMKz65N3bitstM2YG+vfuuaA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAAZtbWEEQUSCD21phJ1sWQ=ASzoCthEiJBcZJvNqVs6YF==t=A@mail.gmail.com>

Problem
Exists
Between
Chair
And
Keyboard

Bryan
On Mar 17, 2014 6:34 PM, "Steve Erbach" <erbachs at gmail.com> wrote:

> Rocky,
>
> OK, I'll bite...what is PEBCAK?
>
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 3:31 PM, Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com
> >wrote:
>
> > PEBCAK I believe is the correct acronym.
> >
> > R
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Erbach
> > Sent: Monday, March 17, 2014 12:46 PM
> > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Yahoo mail 1 TB?
> >
> > Jim,
> >
> > >> or at the chair, in front of the keyboard? <<
> >
> > Ah! The old NLIOC error: Nut Loose In Operator's Chair!
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Mar 15, 2014 at 11:47 PM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
> >
> > > Sign...some things never change.
> > >
> > > I wonder if the week link was at the Yahoo account or at the chair, in
> > > front of the keyboard?
> > >
> > > Jim
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "John Bartow" <jbartow at winhaven.net>
> > > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <
> > > dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2014 9:09:53 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Yahoo mail 1 TB?
> > >
> > > Hi Gustav,
> > > I don't believe so as AT& users can login from the Yahoo.com UI.
> > >
> > > Just this afternoon I had another home customer text me that their
> > > Yahoo account had been hacked. They do not have an AT&T email domain
> > > but a direct Yahoo.com account.  :-(
> > >
> > > John B
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav
> > > Brock
> > > Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2014 2:05 PM
> > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Yahoo mail 1 TB?
> > >
> > > Hi John
> > >
> > > That doesn't sound nice.
> > > Would there be any difference between AT&T/Yahoo accounts and a
> > > general Yahoo account?
> > >
> > > /gustav
> > >
> > >
> > _______________________________________________
> > dba-Tech mailing list
> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > dba-Tech mailing list
> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Regards,
>
> Steve Erbach
> Neenah, WI
> http://www.NeenahPolitics.com
> http://www.TheTownCrank.com
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>

From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon Mar 17 19:17:47 2014
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2014 17:17:47 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Yahoo mail 1 TB?
In-Reply-To: <CAOY=wEL+RkoXGJBH3Qxx6CBOE8oMKz65N3bitstM2YG+vfuuaA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <01cc01cf40cd$9662bb80$c3283280$@winhaven.net><1430699034.3679007.1394945255617.JavaMail.root@cds018><CAOY=wEKis_W0-UQWEQZi2436RoJMpVid0JXRn-rM+CnHwJ=O5w@mail.gmail.com><D5F19ED9312244629024DB455B6D2409@HAL9007>
	<CAOY=wEL+RkoXGJBH3Qxx6CBOE8oMKz65N3bitstM2YG+vfuuaA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CC48B305401044528E44C91122574F3C@HAL9007>

Problem Exists Between Chair and Keyboard.  :)))))


R


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Erbach
Sent: Monday, March 17, 2014 3:33 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Yahoo mail 1 TB?

Rocky,

OK, I'll bite...what is PEBCAK?



On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 3:31 PM, Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>wrote:

> PEBCAK I believe is the correct acronym.
>
> R
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve 
> Erbach
> Sent: Monday, March 17, 2014 12:46 PM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Yahoo mail 1 TB?
>
> Jim,
>
> >> or at the chair, in front of the keyboard? <<
>
> Ah! The old NLIOC error: Nut Loose In Operator's Chair!
>
>
>
> On Sat, Mar 15, 2014 at 11:47 PM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
>
> > Sign...some things never change.
> >
> > I wonder if the week link was at the Yahoo account or at the chair, 
> > in front of the keyboard?
> >
> > Jim
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "John Bartow" <jbartow at winhaven.net>
> > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" < 
> > dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2014 9:09:53 PM
> > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Yahoo mail 1 TB?
> >
> > Hi Gustav,
> > I don't believe so as AT& users can login from the Yahoo.com UI.
> >
> > Just this afternoon I had another home customer text me that their 
> > Yahoo account had been hacked. They do not have an AT&T email domain 
> > but a direct Yahoo.com account.  :-(
> >
> > John B
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav 
> > Brock
> > Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2014 2:05 PM
> > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Yahoo mail 1 TB?
> >
> > Hi John
> >
> > That doesn't sound nice.
> > Would there be any difference between AT&T/Yahoo accounts and a 
> > general Yahoo account?
> >
> > /gustav
> >
> >
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
> _______________________________________________
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> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
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>



--
Regards,

Steve Erbach
Neenah, WI
http://www.NeenahPolitics.com
http://www.TheTownCrank.com
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From peter.brawley at earthlink.net  Mon Mar 17 20:52:14 2014
From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley)
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2014 20:52:14 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] Mozilla cancelled  Firefox for Windows 8
In-Reply-To: <724300788.4732999.1395094095606.JavaMail.root@cds018>
References: <724300788.4732999.1395094095606.JavaMail.root@cds018>
Message-ID: <5327A6CE.3030906@earthlink.net>

On 2014-03-17 5:08 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote:
> The first program you download with IE?

And the last.

PB

-----

>
> Jim
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Monday, March 17, 2014 2:16:42 PM
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] Mozilla cancelled  Firefox for Windows 8
>
> Hi Martin
>
> Yes, who cares. What is Firefox??
>
> /gustav
>
> Sent from my Windows 8.1
>
> ________________________________________
> Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com <dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> p? vegne af Martin Reid <mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk>
> Sendt: 17. marts 2014 20:06
> Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] Mozilla cancelled  Firefox for Windows 8
>
> My personal reaction is so what. I am in the who cares what browser is used as long as the BBC web site works.
>
> Martin
>
> Sent from my Windows Phone
> ________________________________
> From: Jim Lawrence
> Sent: 17/03/2014 19:02
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] Mozilla cancelled  Firefox for Windows 8
>
> Hi Helmut:
>
> When one of the world's biggest browser developers drops a new platform that is big news. When it is Windows 8.x that is bigger news. Considering that Windows 8.x is the most advertised application/platform (and expensive...Microsoft is paying more on advertising the product than it makes in sales) in history and their growth is limp to say the least...the graphs say it all.
>
> http://gs.statcounter.com/#all-os-ww-monthly-201303-201403
>
> ...and...
>
> http://gs.statcounter.com/#all-os-ww-monthly-201303-201403-bar
>
> ...or more long range...
>
> http://gs.statcounter.com/#all-os-ww-monthly-200812-201403
>
> As long as sales of Windows 7, Office and servers can continue as strong, Windows 8.x advertising will be able to continue.
>
> Jim
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Helmut Kotsch" <hkotsch at arcor.de>
> To: "Off Topic" <dba-ot at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Monday, 17 March, 2014 4:31:18 AM
> Subject: [dba-OT] Mozilla cancelled  Firefox for Windows 8
>
> Mozilla cancelled  Firefox for Windows 8
>
>
>
> https://blog.mozilla.org/futurereleases/2014/03/14/metro/
>
>
>
> Helmut
>
> _______________________________________________
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Mar 18 02:17:26 2014
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2014 07:17:26 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Mozilla cancelled  Firefox for Windows 8
Message-ID: <1bd882cabfa84337b15935e4cba46fbe@AMSPR06MB311.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Jim

You made me think twice but when doing so I couldn't recall ever to have downloaded Firefox not to say installing it. Not even at a client.
When Chrome came out, I used it a lot - that was in the days of IE6 - but since I updated to Windows 7 and 8 on my workstations and laptops, it has been IE only. The reason is simple: Zero issues. 

Some of my colleagues experience problems now and then with government sites (why are these always "weird") so they switch between Chrome and IE whatever fits.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Jim Lawrence
Sendt: 17. marts 2014 23:08
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] Mozilla cancelled Firefox for Windows 8

The first program you download with IE?

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, March 17, 2014 2:16:42 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] Mozilla cancelled  Firefox for Windows 8

Hi Martin

Yes, who cares. What is Firefox??

/gustav

Sent from my Windows 8.1

________________________________________
Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com <dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> p? vegne af Martin Reid <mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk>
Sendt: 17. marts 2014 20:06
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] Mozilla cancelled  Firefox for Windows 8

My personal reaction is so what. I am in the who cares what browser is used as long as the BBC web site works.

Martin

Sent from my Windows Phone 


From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Tue Mar 18 03:34:48 2014
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2014 04:34:48 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Win7/DHCP question
In-Reply-To: <CAOY=wEJKLc+Bw_z8b-CKVuWozDMrEuXJ=FSWakeb8JBjaa2tTA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8e12814ee5d646e1b7ff754ba39eb5b3@AMSPR06MB311.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
	<CAEPJO1hTvykPt2sthyYrqA7OK06PXMtaOK-t5bkuDm8XViESjQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAOY=wEJKLc+Bw_z8b-CKVuWozDMrEuXJ=FSWakeb8JBjaa2tTA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1gid+oVxpTBoYS4mT4n0RMHs8uC=hDGuW0JZ+um9-4+Gg@mail.gmail.com>

Steve,

Well it's good to know that it can be done. I don't have a NetGear router,
but I don't think that will matter, though I could be wrong. I'll keep
playing around and see if I can make it work.

And Jim -- I know exactly what you mean. I didn't lose my enthusiasm for
tech, but only for clients and gigs. Result -- a lot more time, a lot less
stress and the pleasure of staying up all night plowing through a novel.. I
just finished Bleeding Edge, by Thomas Pynchon, one of my favourite
American novelists of all time.


On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 3:39 PM, Steve Erbach <erbachs at gmail.com> wrote:

> Arthur,
>
> Looks like you got your main problem fixed. I'm just responding to your
> question about home networks. Ours has a Windows 8.1 netbook, several
> desktops/laptops/netbooks running Windows 7, two iPhones, three iPods, two
> Android phones, a couple VirtualBox virtual computers and various Microsfot
> Virtual PCs running various OSes. The NetGear router we now have seems to
> handle them all pretty well.
>
>

From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Tue Mar 18 03:41:02 2014
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2014 04:41:02 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Free OneNote
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1imbaVPekZHaQ-RO37cgd45zLpzqHs19=Ei6HLBESf=ew@mail.gmail.com>

In my opinion, among Microsoft's plethora of software offerings, OneNote is
an unsung hero. I love this program and consider it indispensable.

MS has now made it available for free to Windows and Mac users. You can
read about it here:

http://www.zdnet.com/microsoft-delivers-free-onenote-for-mac-and-windows-7000027378/#ftag=RSS14dc6a9

-- 
Arthur

From jon.tydda at lonza.com  Tue Mar 18 03:49:46 2014
From: jon.tydda at lonza.com (Tydda Jon - Lonza Slough)
Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2014 08:49:46 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] Mozilla cancelled  Firefox for Windows 8
In-Reply-To: <e482172a189e4bf9a624d9e3b4a3fe5c@AMSPR06MB311.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
References: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB08295A12CF0A6C8@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk>
	<e482172a189e4bf9a624d9e3b4a3fe5c@AMSPR06MB311.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <53369f1224af45f5a5c0af54450884e4@CHVEX12.lonzagroup.net>

It's an excellent Cold War spy thriller by Craig Thomas, turned into a so-so film with Clint Eastwood ;-)


Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Monday, March 17, 2014 9:17 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] Mozilla cancelled Firefox for Windows 8

Hi Martin

Yes, who cares. What is Firefox??

/gustav

Sent from my Windows 8.1

________________________________________
Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com <dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> p? vegne af Martin Reid <mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk>
Sendt: 17. marts 2014 20:06
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] Mozilla cancelled  Firefox for Windows 8

My personal reaction is so what. I am in the who cares what browser is used as long as the BBC web site works.

Martin

Sent from my Windows Phone
________________________________
From: Jim Lawrence
Sent: 17/03/2014 19:02
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] Mozilla cancelled  Firefox for Windows 8

Hi Helmut:

When one of the world's biggest browser developers drops a new platform that is big news. When it is Windows 8.x that is bigger news. Considering that Windows 8.x is the most advertised application/platform (and expensive...Microsoft is paying more on advertising the product than it makes in sales) in history and their growth is limp to say the least...the graphs say it all.

http://gs.statcounter.com/#all-os-ww-monthly-201303-201403

...and...

http://gs.statcounter.com/#all-os-ww-monthly-201303-201403-bar

...or more long range...

http://gs.statcounter.com/#all-os-ww-monthly-200812-201403

As long as sales of Windows 7, Office and servers can continue as strong, Windows 8.x advertising will be able to continue.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Helmut Kotsch" <hkotsch at arcor.de>
To: "Off Topic" <dba-ot at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, 17 March, 2014 4:31:18 AM
Subject: [dba-OT] Mozilla cancelled  Firefox for Windows 8

Mozilla cancelled  Firefox for Windows 8



https://blog.mozilla.org/futurereleases/2014/03/14/metro/



Helmut

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From jon.tydda at lonza.com  Tue Mar 18 03:51:56 2014
From: jon.tydda at lonza.com (Tydda Jon - Lonza Slough)
Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2014 08:51:56 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Mozilla cancelled  Firefox for Windows 8
In-Reply-To: <1bd882cabfa84337b15935e4cba46fbe@AMSPR06MB311.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
References: <1bd882cabfa84337b15935e4cba46fbe@AMSPR06MB311.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <79dca481ca224ef9a5c97308ef865470@CHVEX12.lonzagroup.net>

I only use Firefox to view Facebook, as I've got a plug-in called FaceBook Purity (FBP) installed, which means you can get rid of things you don't want to see - the new trends thing, various toolbars, even filter the newsfeed to remove words such as "miley cyrus" or "Justin bieber" etc... When they make the add-in for IE, I'll get rid of FF for good.


Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2014 7:17 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Mozilla cancelled Firefox for Windows 8

Hi Jim

You made me think twice but when doing so I couldn't recall ever to have downloaded Firefox not to say installing it. Not even at a client.
When Chrome came out, I used it a lot - that was in the days of IE6 - but since I updated to Windows 7 and 8 on my workstations and laptops, it has been IE only. The reason is simple: Zero issues.

Some of my colleagues experience problems now and then with government sites (why are these always "weird") so they switch between Chrome and IE whatever fits.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Jim Lawrence
Sendt: 17. marts 2014 23:08
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] Mozilla cancelled Firefox for Windows 8

The first program you download with IE?

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, March 17, 2014 2:16:42 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] Mozilla cancelled  Firefox for Windows 8

Hi Martin

Yes, who cares. What is Firefox??

/gustav

Sent from my Windows 8.1

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My personal reaction is so what. I am in the who cares what browser is used as long as the BBC web site works.

Martin

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From Lambert.Heenan at aig.com  Tue Mar 18 08:46:05 2014
From: Lambert.Heenan at aig.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2014 09:46:05 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] Mozilla cancelled  Firefox for Windows 8
In-Reply-To: <53369f1224af45f5a5c0af54450884e4@CHVEX12.lonzagroup.net>
References: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB08295A12CF0A6C8@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk>
	<e482172a189e4bf9a624d9e3b4a3fe5c@AMSPR06MB311.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
	<53369f1224af45f5a5c0af54450884e4@CHVEX12.lonzagroup.net>
Message-ID: <F5B2E2ECEE84F142883A2E6DCA867F9802855BBDCD@LIVP3MMBX10.mail.aig.net>

Cute graphing project. But what genius decided that white text of a light gray background was good for the reading public?

Lambert

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tydda Jon - Lonza Slough
Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2014 4:50 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] Mozilla cancelled Firefox for Windows 8

It's an excellent Cold War spy thriller by Craig Thomas, turned into a so-so film with Clint Eastwood ;-)


Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Monday, March 17, 2014 9:17 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] Mozilla cancelled Firefox for Windows 8

Hi Martin

Yes, who cares. What is Firefox??

/gustav

Sent from my Windows 8.1

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Sendt: 17. marts 2014 20:06
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Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] Mozilla cancelled  Firefox for Windows 8

My personal reaction is so what. I am in the who cares what browser is used as long as the BBC web site works.

Martin

Sent from my Windows Phone
________________________________
From: Jim Lawrence
Sent: 17/03/2014 19:02
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] Mozilla cancelled  Firefox for Windows 8

Hi Helmut:

When one of the world's biggest browser developers drops a new platform that is big news. When it is Windows 8.x that is bigger news. Considering that Windows 8.x is the most advertised application/platform (and expensive...Microsoft is paying more on advertising the product than it makes in sales) in history and their growth is limp to say the least...the graphs say it all.

http://gs.statcounter.com/#all-os-ww-monthly-201303-201403

...and...

http://gs.statcounter.com/#all-os-ww-monthly-201303-201403-bar

...or more long range...

http://gs.statcounter.com/#all-os-ww-monthly-200812-201403

As long as sales of Windows 7, Office and servers can continue as strong, Windows 8.x advertising will be able to continue.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Monday, 17 March, 2014 4:31:18 AM
Subject: [dba-OT] Mozilla cancelled  Firefox for Windows 8

Mozilla cancelled  Firefox for Windows 8



https://blog.mozilla.org/futurereleases/2014/03/14/metro/



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From garykjos at gmail.com  Tue Mar 18 09:16:42 2014
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2014 09:16:42 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Win7/DHCP question
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1hTvykPt2sthyYrqA7OK06PXMtaOK-t5bkuDm8XViESjQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8e12814ee5d646e1b7ff754ba39eb5b3@AMSPR06MB311.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
	<CAEPJO1hTvykPt2sthyYrqA7OK06PXMtaOK-t5bkuDm8XViESjQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJ2R_pLmrpv16Pg+Vi7sz+DWfqHYK7M0x7xxfEtgLyiezPM_Dg@mail.gmail.com>

I have One Windows 8.1 64 PC, One Windows 7 64 PC, two Windows Vista PC's,
Three Windows XP PC's, An HP Photosmart 8450 printer, One IPAD, One Nook
Tablet, One Yamaha RX-A2020 receiver and a Panasonic Blue Ray player all
working and visible to each other on my network. One of the Vista systems
and two of the Xp systems are Laptops and all the laptops and the tablets
connect wirelessly but everything else is wired gigabit speed connection.



On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 8:15 AM, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com>wrote:

> Gustav.
>
> Thanks for the prompt reply, although I'm not sure what it implies. Here's
> the current setup: 2 machines, one laptop running Windows 8.1, which
> connects just fine. Machine #2 is an AMD-64 running Windows 7.
>
> Does the fact that the laptop connects to the net just fine imply that DCHP
> server is in fact running on the router?
>
> How can I check the DHCP settings on the Windows 7 box?
>
> And while I'm at it, has anyone successfully set up a home network that
> uses both Windows 8 and Windows 7 machines?
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 9:03 AM, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
>
> > Hi Arthur
> >
> > That's the default configuration of Windows 7, so it might be that the
> > DHCP server is not running on the router, which is the typical setup for
> a
> > scenario like yours.
> >
> > /gustav
> >
> >
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-- 
Gary Kjos
garykjos at gmail.com

From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Tue Mar 18 09:21:34 2014
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2014 10:21:34 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Win7/DHCP question
In-Reply-To: <CAJ2R_pLmrpv16Pg+Vi7sz+DWfqHYK7M0x7xxfEtgLyiezPM_Dg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8e12814ee5d646e1b7ff754ba39eb5b3@AMSPR06MB311.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
	<CAEPJO1hTvykPt2sthyYrqA7OK06PXMtaOK-t5bkuDm8XViESjQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJ2R_pLmrpv16Pg+Vi7sz+DWfqHYK7M0x7xxfEtgLyiezPM_Dg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1gN7K166WA9Dtra5O8Qg3=j-tYt198AiuDLHymfjpuWzg@mail.gmail.com>

Gary,

Due to a severe case of Hardware Envy, I don't like you anymore. So there!
[?]


On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 10:16 AM, Gary Kjos <garykjos at gmail.com> wrote:

> I have One Windows 8.1 64 PC, One Windows 7 64 PC, two Windows Vista PC's,
> Three Windows XP PC's, An HP Photosmart 8450 printer, One IPAD, One Nook
> Tablet, One Yamaha RX-A2020 receiver and a Panasonic Blue Ray player all
> working and visible to each other on my network. One of the Vista systems
> and two of the Xp systems are Laptops and all the laptops and the tablets
> connect wirelessly but everything else is wired gigabit speed connection.
>
>

From garykjos at gmail.com  Tue Mar 18 09:33:36 2014
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2014 09:33:36 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Win7/DHCP question
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1gN7K166WA9Dtra5O8Qg3=j-tYt198AiuDLHymfjpuWzg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8e12814ee5d646e1b7ff754ba39eb5b3@AMSPR06MB311.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
	<CAEPJO1hTvykPt2sthyYrqA7OK06PXMtaOK-t5bkuDm8XViESjQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJ2R_pLmrpv16Pg+Vi7sz+DWfqHYK7M0x7xxfEtgLyiezPM_Dg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAEPJO1gN7K166WA9Dtra5O8Qg3=j-tYt198AiuDLHymfjpuWzg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJ2R_pK+ezG-fAzr1jKT=sL=adwK2wVEVDG15VPY=O_T5d4j+w@mail.gmail.com>

Much of it is very OLD. There is a LINUX box too but it's not currently
plugged in. The XP laptops are approaching 9 years old now. The XP desktop
is 2001 vintage when XP first came out.  I'm surprised it all still works.
I can't bear to part with stuff that still works. I find different stuff to
do with them. The old XP desktop times laps on my slot car track for
example.

GK


On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 9:21 AM, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com>wrote:

> Gary,
>
> Due to a severe case of Hardware Envy, I don't like you anymore. So there!
> [?]
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 10:16 AM, Gary Kjos <garykjos at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I have One Windows 8.1 64 PC, One Windows 7 64 PC, two Windows Vista
> PC's,
> > Three Windows XP PC's, An HP Photosmart 8450 printer, One IPAD, One Nook
> > Tablet, One Yamaha RX-A2020 receiver and a Panasonic Blue Ray player all
> > working and visible to each other on my network. One of the Vista systems
> > and two of the Xp systems are Laptops and all the laptops and the tablets
> > connect wirelessly but everything else is wired gigabit speed connection.
> >
> >
>
>
>


-- 
Gary Kjos
garykjos at gmail.com

From df.waters at comcast.net  Tue Mar 18 09:51:44 2014
From: df.waters at comcast.net (Dan Waters)
Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2014 09:51:44 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Free OneNote
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1imbaVPekZHaQ-RO37cgd45zLpzqHs19=Ei6HLBESf=ew@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1imbaVPekZHaQ-RO37cgd45zLpzqHs19=Ei6HLBESf=ew@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <004d01cf42b9$94ba8b30$be2fa190$@comcast.net>

Sounds good until ...

Go to this site:
http://winsupersite.com/office-2013/its-official-onenote-now-free-everyone

Scroll down to read the comment by tnemmoC who offers an objective reality
check.

Dan


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2014 3:41 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] Free OneNote

In my opinion, among Microsoft's plethora of software offerings, OneNote is
an unsung hero. I love this program and consider it indispensable.

MS has now made it available for free to Windows and Mac users. You can read
about it here:

http://www.zdnet.com/microsoft-delivers-free-onenote-for-mac-and-windows-700
0027378/#ftag=RSS14dc6a9

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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Tue Mar 18 10:32:05 2014
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2014 11:32:05 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Resume / CV Advice Sought
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1gZM_aPdxHVYtoPqdRZHkNFC1O8dLJy8cq0AtRT6XxF8w@mail.gmail.com>

As regular listers will know, a while back I declared myself Semi-Retired.
But now I want to try something radically new.

Since I was about 15, I have been a coffee drinker. Since I was about 30, I
slowly matured into a coffee aficionado. I know instantly the difference
between, say, a Guatemalan coffee and a Kenyan -- hell, that's too easy --
I can discern a Guatemlan from a Salvadorean. And I know some if not most
of the lingo that coffee aficionados employ; it's similar to the vocabulary
of wine lovers. One tiny exception is that in coffee, "acidy" is a good
thing (to most but not all palates).

Anyway, I have decided to realize an ambition on my Bucket List, to wit, to
learn the art of coffee roasting, and to obtain a job performing this
magic. There are several companies in Toronto that perform this art. I'm
willing to go through the motions of learning to become a barista, but that
at most would be a step toward my real goal.

I dug out a few versions of my resume, which list in varying degrees of
detail my 30+ years' experience writing software, mostly database-oriented.
None of this experience is in any way related to my new Bucket List item,
to become a coffee roaster. In this field I have no experience other than
the consumption of vast amounts of coffee from numerous nations, and such
knowledge as "espresso is neither a bean nor a drink, but a roast, which
can be performed upon almost any type of bean."

Even of the back story. My question is, How should I pitch myself to the
one or three companies in Toronto that do their own roasting, and locally?
(In case you wondered, Starbucks is not one of them, since they do their
roasting not even in Canada, and the distance between roasting and selling
is crucial to maintain the highest quality: distance and quality are
inversely proportional.

There's also an event-type called a Cupping, which to my knowledge none of
the quality-coffee sellers in Toronto practice. This is very similar to a
wine-tasting event; the participants do not swallow the coffees offered but
savour them, rolling the mouthful around the tongue to appreciate the
aspects of the taste (different parts of the tongue detect different
aspects of the taste, and hence the need to roll the mouthful); then the
mouthful is spit out as in wine-tasting. Since, to my knowledge, none of
the three vendors to whom I'm considering applying for a gig, I would want
to present Cuppings as a new marketing opportunity.

So. How might I present myself as an aficionado with a serious desire to
learn the art of roasting, and lacking any experience in this aspect of the
business?

Any suggestions shall be gratefully received.

-- 
Arthur

From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Tue Mar 18 10:42:00 2014
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2014 11:42:00 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Win7/DHCP question
In-Reply-To: <CAJ2R_pK+ezG-fAzr1jKT=sL=adwK2wVEVDG15VPY=O_T5d4j+w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8e12814ee5d646e1b7ff754ba39eb5b3@AMSPR06MB311.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
	<CAEPJO1hTvykPt2sthyYrqA7OK06PXMtaOK-t5bkuDm8XViESjQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJ2R_pLmrpv16Pg+Vi7sz+DWfqHYK7M0x7xxfEtgLyiezPM_Dg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAEPJO1gN7K166WA9Dtra5O8Qg3=j-tYt198AiuDLHymfjpuWzg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJ2R_pK+ezG-fAzr1jKT=sL=adwK2wVEVDG15VPY=O_T5d4j+w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1jcYHumi8h=1bb1tO-H_BP6fdE5ajZaVFbF5deSa9y1jA@mail.gmail.com>

Gary,

Slot cars are a tad too dated for me. I've been eyeing those circular
remote-controlled heliocopters and thinking that's my next toy. Lots of
commercial potential for such machines, but I've seen the whole Breaking
Bad series, and chose instead to concentrate on some method of delivering
Fish 'n' Chips or maybe pizzas that way. The HA were interested but the
Accounts Payable side of the business would be problematic at best. Maybe
helio Sushi-delivery instead: advantages include no traffic issues
downtown, plus quick delivery times, but depend on the ability to open
windows high up on a high-rise -- that could be a deal-breaker. Damn! Ok,
second idea -- bicycle couriers are obsolete, we can do it all with
mini-heliocopters, drop the envelopes at the Security Desk and buzz the
85th-floor client to come down and pick it up. Maybe this could work.

Arthur


On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 10:33 AM, Gary Kjos <garykjos at gmail.com> wrote:

> Much of it is very OLD. There is a LINUX box too but it's not currently
> plugged in. The XP laptops are approaching 9 years old now. The XP desktop
> is 2001 vintage when XP first came out.  I'm surprised it all still works.
> I can't bear to part with stuff that still works. I find different stuff to
> do with them. The old XP desktop times laps on my slot car track for
> example.
>
> GK
>
>

From jbartow at winhaven.net  Tue Mar 18 10:43:13 2014
From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2014 10:43:13 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Mozilla cancelled  Firefox for Windows 8
In-Reply-To: <1bd882cabfa84337b15935e4cba46fbe@AMSPR06MB311.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
References: <1bd882cabfa84337b15935e4cba46fbe@AMSPR06MB311.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <009401cf42c0$c66a19f0$533e4dd0$@winhaven.net>

Hi Gustav,
Since IE11 I have no issue with IE either. Even the issues my clients have had with sites that required other specific versions of IE have been cleared up with compatibility settings.

I do, however, use Firefox also. 

I run into problems with Chrome where the only solutions available seem to be clean it off the computer and reinstall. I'm sure these problems will be chided as end user issues and I would tend to agree in this case. But isn't a browser supposed to be idiot proof?
Regards,
John B

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2014 2:17 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Mozilla cancelled Firefox for Windows 8

Hi Jim

You made me think twice but when doing so I couldn't recall ever to have downloaded Firefox not to say installing it. Not even at a client.
When Chrome came out, I used it a lot - that was in the days of IE6 - but since I updated to Windows 7 and 8 on my workstations and laptops, it has been IE only. The reason is simple: Zero issues. 

Some of my colleagues experience problems now and then with government sites (why are these always "weird") so they switch between Chrome and IE whatever fits.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Jim Lawrence
Sendt: 17. marts 2014 23:08
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] Mozilla cancelled Firefox for Windows 8

The first program you download with IE?

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, March 17, 2014 2:16:42 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] Mozilla cancelled  Firefox for Windows 8

Hi Martin

Yes, who cares. What is Firefox??

/gustav

Sent from my Windows 8.1

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Sendt: 17. marts 2014 20:06
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] [dba-OT] Mozilla cancelled  Firefox for Windows 8

My personal reaction is so what. I am in the who cares what browser is used as long as the BBC web site works.

Martin

Sent from my Windows Phone 

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From eptept at gmail.com  Tue Mar 18 10:44:49 2014
From: eptept at gmail.com (Ed Tesiny)
Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2014 11:44:49 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Resume / CV Advice Sought
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1gZM_aPdxHVYtoPqdRZHkNFC1O8dLJy8cq0AtRT6XxF8w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1gZM_aPdxHVYtoPqdRZHkNFC1O8dLJy8cq0AtRT6XxF8w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAEkqQpXfJqHM52tHhMf8rJnfpeBBmrRaaLP6Z=C+PSSx0t+CCQ@mail.gmail.com>

Personally, I think your post is a good start, it shows a passion and
knowledge of coffee.  I would do all the research I could on the companies
you are interested in so you get to the right person.  You might want to
try getting an internship at one of the places.  If you already haven't I
would personally check out the places and chat up the staff, ask questions
that show you know what you're talking about.  I don't think your resume
will get you far, it's gonna be the cover letter that opens the door.


On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 11:32 AM, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com>wrote:

> As regular listers will know, a while back I declared myself Semi-Retired.
> But now I want to try something radically new.
>
> Since I was about 15, I have been a coffee drinker. Since I was about 30, I
> slowly matured into a coffee aficionado. I know instantly the difference
> between, say, a Guatemalan coffee and a Kenyan -- hell, that's too easy --
> I can discern a Guatemlan from a Salvadorean. And I know some if not most
> of the lingo that coffee aficionados employ; it's similar to the vocabulary
> of wine lovers. One tiny exception is that in coffee, "acidy" is a good
> thing (to most but not all palates).
>
> Anyway, I have decided to realize an ambition on my Bucket List, to wit, to
> learn the art of coffee roasting, and to obtain a job performing this
> magic. There are several companies in Toronto that perform this art. I'm
> willing to go through the motions of learning to become a barista, but that
> at most would be a step toward my real goal.
>
> I dug out a few versions of my resume, which list in varying degrees of
> detail my 30+ years' experience writing software, mostly database-oriented.
> None of this experience is in any way related to my new Bucket List item,
> to become a coffee roaster. In this field I have no experience other than
> the consumption of vast amounts of coffee from numerous nations, and such
> knowledge as "espresso is neither a bean nor a drink, but a roast, which
> can be performed upon almost any type of bean."
>
> Even of the back story. My question is, How should I pitch myself to the
> one or three companies in Toronto that do their own roasting, and locally?
> (In case you wondered, Starbucks is not one of them, since they do their
> roasting not even in Canada, and the distance between roasting and selling
> is crucial to maintain the highest quality: distance and quality are
> inversely proportional.
>
> There's also an event-type called a Cupping, which to my knowledge none of
> the quality-coffee sellers in Toronto practice. This is very similar to a
> wine-tasting event; the participants do not swallow the coffees offered but
> savour them, rolling the mouthful around the tongue to appreciate the
> aspects of the taste (different parts of the tongue detect different
> aspects of the taste, and hence the need to roll the mouthful); then the
> mouthful is spit out as in wine-tasting. Since, to my knowledge, none of
> the three vendors to whom I'm considering applying for a gig, I would want
> to present Cuppings as a new marketing opportunity.
>
> So. How might I present myself as an aficionado with a serious desire to
> learn the art of roasting, and lacking any experience in this aspect of the
> business?
>
> Any suggestions shall be gratefully received.
>
> --
> Arthur
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>

From jon.tydda at lonza.com  Tue Mar 18 10:49:50 2014
From: jon.tydda at lonza.com (Tydda Jon - Lonza Slough)
Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2014 15:49:50 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Resume / CV Advice Sought
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1gZM_aPdxHVYtoPqdRZHkNFC1O8dLJy8cq0AtRT6XxF8w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1gZM_aPdxHVYtoPqdRZHkNFC1O8dLJy8cq0AtRT6XxF8w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d251e76223f647599cbb83f1bdbc1321@CHVEX12.lonzagroup.net>

Hi Arthur

I would write just that in a letter to them - explain that you've got 30 years experience in IT, but that you've retired now, and want to pursue an ambition, now that you have time on your hands. It never hurts to ask...


Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2014 3:32 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] Resume / CV Advice Sought

As regular listers will know, a while back I declared myself Semi-Retired.
But now I want to try something radically new.

Since I was about 15, I have been a coffee drinker. Since I was about 30, I slowly matured into a coffee aficionado. I know instantly the difference between, say, a Guatemalan coffee and a Kenyan -- hell, that's too easy -- I can discern a Guatemlan from a Salvadorean. And I know some if not most of the lingo that coffee aficionados employ; it's similar to the vocabulary of wine lovers. One tiny exception is that in coffee, "acidy" is a good thing (to most but not all palates).

Anyway, I have decided to realize an ambition on my Bucket List, to wit, to learn the art of coffee roasting, and to obtain a job performing this magic. There are several companies in Toronto that perform this art. I'm willing to go through the motions of learning to become a barista, but that at most would be a step toward my real goal.

I dug out a few versions of my resume, which list in varying degrees of detail my 30+ years' experience writing software, mostly database-oriented.
None of this experience is in any way related to my new Bucket List item, to become a coffee roaster. In this field I have no experience other than the consumption of vast amounts of coffee from numerous nations, and such knowledge as "espresso is neither a bean nor a drink, but a roast, which can be performed upon almost any type of bean."

Even of the back story. My question is, How should I pitch myself to the one or three companies in Toronto that do their own roasting, and locally?
(In case you wondered, Starbucks is not one of them, since they do their roasting not even in Canada, and the distance between roasting and selling is crucial to maintain the highest quality: distance and quality are inversely proportional.

There's also an event-type called a Cupping, which to my knowledge none of the quality-coffee sellers in Toronto practice. This is very similar to a wine-tasting event; the participants do not swallow the coffees offered but savour them, rolling the mouthful around the tongue to appreciate the aspects of the taste (different parts of the tongue detect different aspects of the taste, and hence the need to roll the mouthful); then the mouthful is spit out as in wine-tasting. Since, to my knowledge, none of the three vendors to whom I'm considering applying for a gig, I would want to present Cuppings as a new marketing opportunity.

So. How might I present myself as an aficionado with a serious desire to learn the art of roasting, and lacking any experience in this aspect of the business?

Any suggestions shall be gratefully received.

--
Arthur
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From paul.hartland at googlemail.com  Tue Mar 18 11:05:35 2014
From: paul.hartland at googlemail.com (Paul Hartland)
Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2014 16:05:35 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Resume / CV Advice Sought
In-Reply-To: <d251e76223f647599cbb83f1bdbc1321@CHVEX12.lonzagroup.net>
References: <CAEPJO1gZM_aPdxHVYtoPqdRZHkNFC1O8dLJy8cq0AtRT6XxF8w@mail.gmail.com>
	<d251e76223f647599cbb83f1bdbc1321@CHVEX12.lonzagroup.net>
Message-ID: <CALGJE96gW5v0tvkNKW7+OPhr8GwRqPSL2XrNkfx1KJpvW4Mvvg@mail.gmail.com>

Maybe even offer to look at their software as well, if they need something
better maybe a trade off, they learn you the art of roasting for a more
efficient software application ????

Paul


On 18 March 2014 15:49, Tydda Jon - Lonza Slough <jon.tydda at lonza.com>wrote:

> Hi Arthur
>
> I would write just that in a letter to them - explain that you've got 30
> years experience in IT, but that you've retired now, and want to pursue an
> ambition, now that you have time on your hands. It never hurts to ask...
>
>
> Jon
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:
> dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
> Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2014 3:32 PM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: [dba-Tech] Resume / CV Advice Sought
>
> As regular listers will know, a while back I declared myself Semi-Retired.
> But now I want to try something radically new.
>
> Since I was about 15, I have been a coffee drinker. Since I was about 30,
> I slowly matured into a coffee aficionado. I know instantly the difference
> between, say, a Guatemalan coffee and a Kenyan -- hell, that's too easy --
> I can discern a Guatemlan from a Salvadorean. And I know some if not most
> of the lingo that coffee aficionados employ; it's similar to the vocabulary
> of wine lovers. One tiny exception is that in coffee, "acidy" is a good
> thing (to most but not all palates).
>
> Anyway, I have decided to realize an ambition on my Bucket List, to wit,
> to learn the art of coffee roasting, and to obtain a job performing this
> magic. There are several companies in Toronto that perform this art. I'm
> willing to go through the motions of learning to become a barista, but that
> at most would be a step toward my real goal.
>
> I dug out a few versions of my resume, which list in varying degrees of
> detail my 30+ years' experience writing software, mostly database-oriented.
> None of this experience is in any way related to my new Bucket List item,
> to become a coffee roaster. In this field I have no experience other than
> the consumption of vast amounts of coffee from numerous nations, and such
> knowledge as "espresso is neither a bean nor a drink, but a roast, which
> can be performed upon almost any type of bean."
>
> Even of the back story. My question is, How should I pitch myself to the
> one or three companies in Toronto that do their own roasting, and locally?
> (In case you wondered, Starbucks is not one of them, since they do their
> roasting not even in Canada, and the distance between roasting and selling
> is crucial to maintain the highest quality: distance and quality are
> inversely proportional.
>
> There's also an event-type called a Cupping, which to my knowledge none of
> the quality-coffee sellers in Toronto practice. This is very similar to a
> wine-tasting event; the participants do not swallow the coffees offered but
> savour them, rolling the mouthful around the tongue to appreciate the
> aspects of the taste (different parts of the tongue detect different
> aspects of the taste, and hence the need to roll the mouthful); then the
> mouthful is spit out as in wine-tasting. Since, to my knowledge, none of
> the three vendors to whom I'm considering applying for a gig, I would want
> to present Cuppings as a new marketing opportunity.
>
> So. How might I present myself as an aficionado with a serious desire to
> learn the art of roasting, and lacking any experience in this aspect of the
> business?
>
> Any suggestions shall be gratefully received.
>
> --
> Arthur
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
> ________________________________
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> and privileged information the use of which by other persons or entities
> than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you receive this transmission
> in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete the material
> from your system.
>
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>



-- 
Paul Hartland
paul.hartland at googlemail.com

From eptept at gmail.com  Tue Mar 18 11:13:55 2014
From: eptept at gmail.com (Ed Tesiny)
Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2014 12:13:55 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Resume / CV Advice Sought
In-Reply-To: <CALGJE96gW5v0tvkNKW7+OPhr8GwRqPSL2XrNkfx1KJpvW4Mvvg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1gZM_aPdxHVYtoPqdRZHkNFC1O8dLJy8cq0AtRT6XxF8w@mail.gmail.com>
	<d251e76223f647599cbb83f1bdbc1321@CHVEX12.lonzagroup.net>
	<CALGJE96gW5v0tvkNKW7+OPhr8GwRqPSL2XrNkfx1KJpvW4Mvvg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAEkqQpV8P7CEH2kfzFVDgnXVj-=WQ-go89D48_qujXsuotvH6g@mail.gmail.com>

Paul,
I like that idea, offer them something for a chance to learn.


On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 12:05 PM, Paul Hartland <
paul.hartland at googlemail.com> wrote:

> Maybe even offer to look at their software as well, if they need something
> better maybe a trade off, they learn you the art of roasting for a more
> efficient software application ????
>
> Paul
>
>
> On 18 March 2014 15:49, Tydda Jon - Lonza Slough <jon.tydda at lonza.com
> >wrote:
>
> > Hi Arthur
> >
> > I would write just that in a letter to them - explain that you've got 30
> > years experience in IT, but that you've retired now, and want to pursue
> an
> > ambition, now that you have time on your hands. It never hurts to ask...
> >
> >
> > Jon
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:
> > dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2014 3:32 PM
> > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> > Subject: [dba-Tech] Resume / CV Advice Sought
> >
> > As regular listers will know, a while back I declared myself
> Semi-Retired.
> > But now I want to try something radically new.
> >
> > Since I was about 15, I have been a coffee drinker. Since I was about 30,
> > I slowly matured into a coffee aficionado. I know instantly the
> difference
> > between, say, a Guatemalan coffee and a Kenyan -- hell, that's too easy
> --
> > I can discern a Guatemlan from a Salvadorean. And I know some if not most
> > of the lingo that coffee aficionados employ; it's similar to the
> vocabulary
> > of wine lovers. One tiny exception is that in coffee, "acidy" is a good
> > thing (to most but not all palates).
> >
> > Anyway, I have decided to realize an ambition on my Bucket List, to wit,
> > to learn the art of coffee roasting, and to obtain a job performing this
> > magic. There are several companies in Toronto that perform this art. I'm
> > willing to go through the motions of learning to become a barista, but
> that
> > at most would be a step toward my real goal.
> >
> > I dug out a few versions of my resume, which list in varying degrees of
> > detail my 30+ years' experience writing software, mostly
> database-oriented.
> > None of this experience is in any way related to my new Bucket List item,
> > to become a coffee roaster. In this field I have no experience other than
> > the consumption of vast amounts of coffee from numerous nations, and such
> > knowledge as "espresso is neither a bean nor a drink, but a roast, which
> > can be performed upon almost any type of bean."
> >
> > Even of the back story. My question is, How should I pitch myself to the
> > one or three companies in Toronto that do their own roasting, and
> locally?
> > (In case you wondered, Starbucks is not one of them, since they do their
> > roasting not even in Canada, and the distance between roasting and
> selling
> > is crucial to maintain the highest quality: distance and quality are
> > inversely proportional.
> >
> > There's also an event-type called a Cupping, which to my knowledge none
> of
> > the quality-coffee sellers in Toronto practice. This is very similar to a
> > wine-tasting event; the participants do not swallow the coffees offered
> but
> > savour them, rolling the mouthful around the tongue to appreciate the
> > aspects of the taste (different parts of the tongue detect different
> > aspects of the taste, and hence the need to roll the mouthful); then the
> > mouthful is spit out as in wine-tasting. Since, to my knowledge, none of
> > the three vendors to whom I'm considering applying for a gig, I would
> want
> > to present Cuppings as a new marketing opportunity.
> >
> > So. How might I present myself as an aficionado with a serious desire to
> > learn the art of roasting, and lacking any experience in this aspect of
> the
> > business?
> >
> > Any suggestions shall be gratefully received.
> >
> > --
> > Arthur
> > _______________________________________________
> > dba-Tech mailing list
> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> > ________________________________
> > This communication and its attachments, if any, may contain confidential
> > and privileged information the use of which by other persons or entities
> > than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you receive this
> transmission
> > in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete the material
> > from your system.
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > dba-Tech mailing list
> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Paul Hartland
> paul.hartland at googlemail.com
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>

From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Tue Mar 18 11:31:34 2014
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2014 12:31:34 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Resume / CV Advice Sought
In-Reply-To: <CAEkqQpV8P7CEH2kfzFVDgnXVj-=WQ-go89D48_qujXsuotvH6g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1gZM_aPdxHVYtoPqdRZHkNFC1O8dLJy8cq0AtRT6XxF8w@mail.gmail.com>
	<d251e76223f647599cbb83f1bdbc1321@CHVEX12.lonzagroup.net>
	<CALGJE96gW5v0tvkNKW7+OPhr8GwRqPSL2XrNkfx1KJpvW4Mvvg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAEkqQpV8P7CEH2kfzFVDgnXVj-=WQ-go89D48_qujXsuotvH6g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1gYwuGp9sep=N9LkSbKxWv28ZqF42BwgO_9UQXdBqgneQ@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks, guys. Definitely food for thought.

Arthur


From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Tue Mar 18 11:32:08 2014
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2014 09:32:08 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Resume / CV Advice Sought
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1gZM_aPdxHVYtoPqdRZHkNFC1O8dLJy8cq0AtRT6XxF8w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1gZM_aPdxHVYtoPqdRZHkNFC1O8dLJy8cq0AtRT6XxF8w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8A252120617A41B6B85437FBAADADB66@HAL9007>

Walk in, buttonhole the owner, have your elevator speech prepped, and
convince them with the power of your personality that they'd be a fool to
let you walk out and go somewhere else.  

R


P.S.  I have a list of stuff I'm NOT going to do before I die.  I call it my
Fuckit list.



-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2014 8:32 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] Resume / CV Advice Sought

As regular listers will know, a while back I declared myself Semi-Retired.
But now I want to try something radically new.

Since I was about 15, I have been a coffee drinker. Since I was about 30, I
slowly matured into a coffee aficionado. I know instantly the difference
between, say, a Guatemalan coffee and a Kenyan -- hell, that's too easy -- I
can discern a Guatemlan from a Salvadorean. And I know some if not most of
the lingo that coffee aficionados employ; it's similar to the vocabulary of
wine lovers. One tiny exception is that in coffee, "acidy" is a good thing
(to most but not all palates).

Anyway, I have decided to realize an ambition on my Bucket List, to wit, to
learn the art of coffee roasting, and to obtain a job performing this magic.
There are several companies in Toronto that perform this art. I'm willing to
go through the motions of learning to become a barista, but that at most
would be a step toward my real goal.

I dug out a few versions of my resume, which list in varying degrees of
detail my 30+ years' experience writing software, mostly database-oriented.
None of this experience is in any way related to my new Bucket List item, to
become a coffee roaster. In this field I have no experience other than the
consumption of vast amounts of coffee from numerous nations, and such
knowledge as "espresso is neither a bean nor a drink, but a roast, which can
be performed upon almost any type of bean."

Even of the back story. My question is, How should I pitch myself to the one
or three companies in Toronto that do their own roasting, and locally?
(In case you wondered, Starbucks is not one of them, since they do their
roasting not even in Canada, and the distance between roasting and selling
is crucial to maintain the highest quality: distance and quality are
inversely proportional.

There's also an event-type called a Cupping, which to my knowledge none of
the quality-coffee sellers in Toronto practice. This is very similar to a
wine-tasting event; the participants do not swallow the coffees offered but
savour them, rolling the mouthful around the tongue to appreciate the
aspects of the taste (different parts of the tongue detect different aspects
of the taste, and hence the need to roll the mouthful); then the mouthful is
spit out as in wine-tasting. Since, to my knowledge, none of the three
vendors to whom I'm considering applying for a gig, I would want to present
Cuppings as a new marketing opportunity.

So. How might I present myself as an aficionado with a serious desire to
learn the art of roasting, and lacking any experience in this aspect of the
business?

Any suggestions shall be gratefully received.

--
Arthur
_______________________________________________
dba-Tech mailing list
dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com


From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Tue Mar 18 11:33:46 2014
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2014 09:33:46 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Win7/DHCP question
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1jcYHumi8h=1bb1tO-H_BP6fdE5ajZaVFbF5deSa9y1jA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8e12814ee5d646e1b7ff754ba39eb5b3@AMSPR06MB311.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com><CAEPJO1hTvykPt2sthyYrqA7OK06PXMtaOK-t5bkuDm8XViESjQ@mail.gmail.com><CAJ2R_pLmrpv16Pg+Vi7sz+DWfqHYK7M0x7xxfEtgLyiezPM_Dg@mail.gmail.com><CAEPJO1gN7K166WA9Dtra5O8Qg3=j-tYt198AiuDLHymfjpuWzg@mail.gmail.com><CAJ2R_pK+ezG-fAzr1jKT=sL=adwK2wVEVDG15VPY=O_T5d4j+w@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAEPJO1jcYHumi8h=1bb1tO-H_BP6fdE5ajZaVFbF5deSa9y1jA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9BBB3651A71C4E02804FF1785E24B298@HAL9007>

Two words:  hobby drones...

http://money.msn.com/personal-finance/10-coolest-drones-you-can-buy

R
 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2014 8:42 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Win7/DHCP question

Gary,

Slot cars are a tad too dated for me. I've been eyeing those circular
remote-controlled heliocopters and thinking that's my next toy. Lots of
commercial potential for such machines, but I've seen the whole Breaking Bad
series, and chose instead to concentrate on some method of delivering Fish
'n' Chips or maybe pizzas that way. The HA were interested but the Accounts
Payable side of the business would be problematic at best. Maybe helio
Sushi-delivery instead: advantages include no traffic issues downtown, plus
quick delivery times, but depend on the ability to open windows high up on a
high-rise -- that could be a deal-breaker. Damn! Ok, second idea -- bicycle
couriers are obsolete, we can do it all with mini-heliocopters, drop the
envelopes at the Security Desk and buzz the 85th-floor client to come down
and pick it up. Maybe this could work.

Arthur


On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 10:33 AM, Gary Kjos <garykjos at gmail.com> wrote:

> Much of it is very OLD. There is a LINUX box too but it's not 
> currently plugged in. The XP laptops are approaching 9 years old now. 
> The XP desktop is 2001 vintage when XP first came out.  I'm surprised it
all still works.
> I can't bear to part with stuff that still works. I find different 
> stuff to do with them. The old XP desktop times laps on my slot car 
> track for example.
>
> GK
>
>
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From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Tue Mar 18 11:44:09 2014
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2014 12:44:09 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Win7/DHCP question
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1gN7K166WA9Dtra5O8Qg3=j-tYt198AiuDLHymfjpuWzg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8e12814ee5d646e1b7ff754ba39eb5b3@AMSPR06MB311.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>	<CAEPJO1hTvykPt2sthyYrqA7OK06PXMtaOK-t5bkuDm8XViESjQ@mail.gmail.com>	<CAJ2R_pLmrpv16Pg+Vi7sz+DWfqHYK7M0x7xxfEtgLyiezPM_Dg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAEPJO1gN7K166WA9Dtra5O8Qg3=j-tYt198AiuDLHymfjpuWzg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <532877D9.2070001@torchlake.com>

Arthur,

I share your envy - but, I still like Gary!   "-)

TNF

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
231-322-2787

On 3/18/2014 10:21 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote:
> Gary,
>
> Due to a severe case of Hardware Envy, I don't like you anymore. So there!
> [?]
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 10:16 AM, Gary Kjos <garykjos at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I have One Windows 8.1 64 PC, One Windows 7 64 PC, two Windows Vista PC's,
>> Three Windows XP PC's, An HP Photosmart 8450 printer, One IPAD, One Nook
>> Tablet, One Yamaha RX-A2020 receiver and a Panasonic Blue Ray player all
>> working and visible to each other on my network. One of the Vista systems
>> and two of the Xp systems are Laptops and all the laptops and the tablets
>> connect wirelessly but everything else is wired gigabit speed connection.
>>
>>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Tue Mar 18 11:47:54 2014
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2014 12:47:54 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Free Intro to Linux Course
In-Reply-To: <CAAZtbWEmCwM3GZyXU3zrtCNguuEYufQiq6Fo8H8EjvHs7ZJU6w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAAZtbWEmCwM3GZyXU3zrtCNguuEYufQiq6Fo8H8EjvHs7ZJU6w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <532878BA.8060202@torchlake.com>

Great!  I did one a few years ago, but need to refresh my memory on it.  
This comes at an opportune time for me.  Thanks, Bryan.
TNF

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
231-322-2787

On 3/17/2014 11:17 AM, Bryan Carbonnell wrote:
> For those of you that use or want to learn to use Linux, edX is
> offereing a free Intro to Linux course.
>
> Here is a link to an article about it:
>
> http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/03/2400-introduction-to-linux-course-will-be-free-and-online-this-summer/
>
> Here is a direct link to sign up for the course:
> https://www.edx.org/course/linuxfoundationx/linuxfoundationx-lfs101x-introduction-1621
>
>


From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Tue Mar 18 11:54:32 2014
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2014 12:54:32 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Resume / CV Advice Sought
In-Reply-To: <8A252120617A41B6B85437FBAADADB66@HAL9007>
References: <CAEPJO1gZM_aPdxHVYtoPqdRZHkNFC1O8dLJy8cq0AtRT6XxF8w@mail.gmail.com>
	<8A252120617A41B6B85437FBAADADB66@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1itYMS7F5SYCuFuauwVs6FNKtoNjaRLbJfA+-UgQcuZcw@mail.gmail.com>

Rocky,

My FI list is much longer than my Bucket List :)


On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 12:32 PM, Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>wrote:

> Walk in, buttonhole the owner, have your elevator speech prepped, and
> convince them with the power of your personality that they'd be a fool to
> let you walk out and go somewhere else.
>
> R
>
>
> P.S.  I have a list of stuff I'm NOT going to do before I die.  I call it
> my
> Fuckit list.
>
>

From jon.tydda at lonza.com  Tue Mar 18 12:06:00 2014
From: jon.tydda at lonza.com (Tydda Jon - Lonza Slough)
Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2014 17:06:00 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Resume / CV Advice Sought
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1itYMS7F5SYCuFuauwVs6FNKtoNjaRLbJfA+-UgQcuZcw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1gZM_aPdxHVYtoPqdRZHkNFC1O8dLJy8cq0AtRT6XxF8w@mail.gmail.com>
	<8A252120617A41B6B85437FBAADADB66@HAL9007>
	<CAEPJO1itYMS7F5SYCuFuauwVs6FNKtoNjaRLbJfA+-UgQcuZcw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d5dcaf718a40469984ceacca382dd90b@CHVEX12.lonzagroup.net>

I have one of those every day at work. My boss doesn't like it...


Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2014 4:55 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Resume / CV Advice Sought

Rocky,

My FI list is much longer than my Bucket List :)


On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 12:32 PM, Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>wrote:

> Walk in, buttonhole the owner, have your elevator speech prepped, and
> convince them with the power of your personality that they'd be a fool
> to let you walk out and go somewhere else.
>
> R
>
>
> P.S.  I have a list of stuff I'm NOT going to do before I die.  I call
> it my Fuckit list.
>
>
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From eptept at gmail.com  Tue Mar 18 12:54:28 2014
From: eptept at gmail.com (Ed Tesiny)
Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2014 13:54:28 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Resume / CV Advice Sought
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1gZM_aPdxHVYtoPqdRZHkNFC1O8dLJy8cq0AtRT6XxF8w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1gZM_aPdxHVYtoPqdRZHkNFC1O8dLJy8cq0AtRT6XxF8w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAEkqQpXDPRb8ZoaKsqPGRjL9f4O=zEgWPTj6NuMVCVrJ0Xweug@mail.gmail.com>

Arthur,
I know this is American but there may be some useful information here
http://roastersguild.org/?p=about&sub=execCouncil


On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 11:32 AM, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com>wrote:

> As regular listers will know, a while back I declared myself Semi-Retired.
> But now I want to try something radically new.
>
> Since I was about 15, I have been a coffee drinker. Since I was about 30, I
> slowly matured into a coffee aficionado. I know instantly the difference
> between, say, a Guatemalan coffee and a Kenyan -- hell, that's too easy --
> I can discern a Guatemlan from a Salvadorean. And I know some if not most
> of the lingo that coffee aficionados employ; it's similar to the vocabulary
> of wine lovers. One tiny exception is that in coffee, "acidy" is a good
> thing (to most but not all palates).
>
> Anyway, I have decided to realize an ambition on my Bucket List, to wit, to
> learn the art of coffee roasting, and to obtain a job performing this
> magic. There are several companies in Toronto that perform this art. I'm
> willing to go through the motions of learning to become a barista, but that
> at most would be a step toward my real goal.
>
> I dug out a few versions of my resume, which list in varying degrees of
> detail my 30+ years' experience writing software, mostly database-oriented.
> None of this experience is in any way related to my new Bucket List item,
> to become a coffee roaster. In this field I have no experience other than
> the consumption of vast amounts of coffee from numerous nations, and such
> knowledge as "espresso is neither a bean nor a drink, but a roast, which
> can be performed upon almost any type of bean."
>
> Even of the back story. My question is, How should I pitch myself to the
> one or three companies in Toronto that do their own roasting, and locally?
> (In case you wondered, Starbucks is not one of them, since they do their
> roasting not even in Canada, and the distance between roasting and selling
> is crucial to maintain the highest quality: distance and quality are
> inversely proportional.
>
> There's also an event-type called a Cupping, which to my knowledge none of
> the quality-coffee sellers in Toronto practice. This is very similar to a
> wine-tasting event; the participants do not swallow the coffees offered but
> savour them, rolling the mouthful around the tongue to appreciate the
> aspects of the taste (different parts of the tongue detect different
> aspects of the taste, and hence the need to roll the mouthful); then the
> mouthful is spit out as in wine-tasting. Since, to my knowledge, none of
> the three vendors to whom I'm considering applying for a gig, I would want
> to present Cuppings as a new marketing opportunity.
>
> So. How might I present myself as an aficionado with a serious desire to
> learn the art of roasting, and lacking any experience in this aspect of the
> business?
>
> Any suggestions shall be gratefully received.
>
> --
> Arthur
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>

From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Mar 18 17:51:47 2014
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2014 16:51:47 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Free Intro to Linux Course
In-Reply-To: <532878BA.8060202@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <127585861.5580032.1395183107509.JavaMail.root@cds018>

Hi Tina/Bryan:

I have mentioned this to a few friends and they are definitely interested. Personally, if anyone is thinking of getting into the computer industry or has many more years until retirement, learning Linux would be mandatory.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tina Norris Fields" <tinanfields at torchlake.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2014 9:47:54 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Free Intro to Linux Course

Great!  I did one a few years ago, but need to refresh my memory on it.  
This comes at an opportune time for me.  Thanks, Bryan.
TNF

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
231-322-2787

On 3/17/2014 11:17 AM, Bryan Carbonnell wrote:
> For those of you that use or want to learn to use Linux, edX is
> offereing a free Intro to Linux course.
>
> Here is a link to an article about it:
>
> http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/03/2400-introduction-to-linux-course-will-be-free-and-online-this-summer/
>
> Here is a direct link to sign up for the course:
> https://www.edx.org/course/linuxfoundationx/linuxfoundationx-lfs101x-introduction-1621
>
>

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From eptept at gmail.com  Tue Mar 18 17:53:18 2014
From: eptept at gmail.com (Ed Tesiny)
Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2014 18:53:18 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Resume / CV Advice Sought
In-Reply-To: <CAEkqQpXDPRb8ZoaKsqPGRjL9f4O=zEgWPTj6NuMVCVrJ0Xweug@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1gZM_aPdxHVYtoPqdRZHkNFC1O8dLJy8cq0AtRT6XxF8w@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAEkqQpXDPRb8ZoaKsqPGRjL9f4O=zEgWPTj6NuMVCVrJ0Xweug@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAEkqQpXb59ktxpNM+8XWeQ7mL5NuOwYzBD6+hxVp9+UZXzguoQ@mail.gmail.com>

Arthur,
My coffee of choice  is Fresh Market Reserve Blue Mountain, any opinion on
it.  I could send you a sample, whole bean of course, light roast.  Runs
$29.99 for 12 ounces.  Don't know if it's available in Canada but if you
know of something better, please let me know.


On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 1:54 PM, Ed Tesiny <eptept at gmail.com> wrote:

> Arthur,
> I know this is American but there may be some useful information here
> http://roastersguild.org/?p=about&sub=execCouncil
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 11:32 AM, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> As regular listers will know, a while back I declared myself Semi-Retired.
>> But now I want to try something radically new.
>>
>> Since I was about 15, I have been a coffee drinker. Since I was about 30,
>> I
>> slowly matured into a coffee aficionado. I know instantly the difference
>> between, say, a Guatemalan coffee and a Kenyan -- hell, that's too easy --
>> I can discern a Guatemlan from a Salvadorean. And I know some if not most
>> of the lingo that coffee aficionados employ; it's similar to the
>> vocabulary
>> of wine lovers. One tiny exception is that in coffee, "acidy" is a good
>> thing (to most but not all palates).
>>
>> Anyway, I have decided to realize an ambition on my Bucket List, to wit,
>> to
>> learn the art of coffee roasting, and to obtain a job performing this
>> magic. There are several companies in Toronto that perform this art. I'm
>> willing to go through the motions of learning to become a barista, but
>> that
>> at most would be a step toward my real goal.
>>
>> I dug out a few versions of my resume, which list in varying degrees of
>> detail my 30+ years' experience writing software, mostly
>> database-oriented.
>> None of this experience is in any way related to my new Bucket List item,
>> to become a coffee roaster. In this field I have no experience other than
>> the consumption of vast amounts of coffee from numerous nations, and such
>> knowledge as "espresso is neither a bean nor a drink, but a roast, which
>> can be performed upon almost any type of bean."
>>
>> Even of the back story. My question is, How should I pitch myself to the
>> one or three companies in Toronto that do their own roasting, and locally?
>> (In case you wondered, Starbucks is not one of them, since they do their
>> roasting not even in Canada, and the distance between roasting and selling
>> is crucial to maintain the highest quality: distance and quality are
>> inversely proportional.
>>
>> There's also an event-type called a Cupping, which to my knowledge none of
>> the quality-coffee sellers in Toronto practice. This is very similar to a
>> wine-tasting event; the participants do not swallow the coffees offered
>> but
>> savour them, rolling the mouthful around the tongue to appreciate the
>> aspects of the taste (different parts of the tongue detect different
>> aspects of the taste, and hence the need to roll the mouthful); then the
>> mouthful is spit out as in wine-tasting. Since, to my knowledge, none of
>> the three vendors to whom I'm considering applying for a gig, I would want
>> to present Cuppings as a new marketing opportunity.
>>
>> So. How might I present myself as an aficionado with a serious desire to
>> learn the art of roasting, and lacking any experience in this aspect of
>> the
>> business?
>>
>> Any suggestions shall be gratefully received.
>>
>> --
>> Arthur
>> _______________________________________________
>> dba-Tech mailing list
>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>
>

From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Mar 19 02:26:17 2014
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2014 07:26:17 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Resume / CV Advice Sought
Message-ID: <287f5faf298049d1a32895fef622bd8b@AMSPR06MB311.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Hi all

Isn't this for the OT List? Please.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Ed Tesiny
Sendt: 18. marts 2014 23:53
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Resume / CV Advice Sought

Arthur,
My coffee of choice  is Fresh Market Reserve Blue Mountain .. 


From erbachs at gmail.com  Wed Mar 19 08:43:29 2014
From: erbachs at gmail.com (Steve Erbach)
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2014 08:43:29 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Free OneNote
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1imbaVPekZHaQ-RO37cgd45zLpzqHs19=Ei6HLBESf=ew@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1imbaVPekZHaQ-RO37cgd45zLpzqHs19=Ei6HLBESf=ew@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAOY=wE+qcM=fYN1-1r-48zzyTSpzY50h09_YY+ag1y72vtiZPA@mail.gmail.com>

Arthur,

I've been using OneNote for a year or so at work. I remembered being very
puzzled by the lack of a search-and-replace capability. I spent time
looking for it and searching for solutions on-line. It hasn't hampered me
too much, but it's odd.

I certainly like it for note taking, list making, idea starting, and
organizing snippets and emails and web page clips.

It's one of those things that you just have to use to discover its
usefulness. E.g., the "Recent Edits" feature. I stumbled on that one and
it's quite useful. I wish there were something like that for development,
say, where one might not remember every single class or module that one
changed in the past x days.



On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 3:41 AM, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com>wrote:

> In my opinion, among Microsoft's plethora of software offerings, OneNote is
> an unsung hero. I love this program and consider it indispensable.
>
> MS has now made it available for free to Windows and Mac users. You can
> read about it here:
>
>
> http://www.zdnet.com/microsoft-delivers-free-onenote-for-mac-and-windows-7000027378/#ftag=RSS14dc6a9
>
> --
> Arthur
> _______________________________________________
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> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>



-- 
Regards,

Steve Erbach
Neenah, WI
http://www.NeenahPolitics.com
http://www.TheTownCrank.com

From erbachs at gmail.com  Wed Mar 19 08:51:08 2014
From: erbachs at gmail.com (Steve Erbach)
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2014 08:51:08 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Yahoo mail 1 TB?
In-Reply-To: <CC48B305401044528E44C91122574F3C@HAL9007>
References: <01cc01cf40cd$9662bb80$c3283280$@winhaven.net>
	<1430699034.3679007.1394945255617.JavaMail.root@cds018>
	<CAOY=wEKis_W0-UQWEQZi2436RoJMpVid0JXRn-rM+CnHwJ=O5w@mail.gmail.com>
	<D5F19ED9312244629024DB455B6D2409@HAL9007>
	<CAOY=wEL+RkoXGJBH3Qxx6CBOE8oMKz65N3bitstM2YG+vfuuaA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CC48B305401044528E44C91122574F3C@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <CAOY=wELBb18tpYamQdk_HCt2-anUspyCpVE-EzCDk1mH158QMw@mail.gmail.com>

Gad! While I admit that PEBCAK has pronounce-ability in its favor, the
NLIOC error has way more panache!



On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 7:17 PM, Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>wrote:

> Problem Exists Between Chair and Keyboard.  :)))))
>
>
> R
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Erbach
> Sent: Monday, March 17, 2014 3:33 PM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Yahoo mail 1 TB?
>
> Rocky,
>
> OK, I'll bite...what is PEBCAK?
>
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 3:31 PM, Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com
> >wrote:
>
> > PEBCAK I believe is the correct acronym.
> >
> > R
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve
> > Erbach
> > Sent: Monday, March 17, 2014 12:46 PM
> > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Yahoo mail 1 TB?
> >
> > Jim,
> >
> > >> or at the chair, in front of the keyboard? <<
> >
> > Ah! The old NLIOC error: Nut Loose In Operator's Chair!
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Mar 15, 2014 at 11:47 PM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
> >
> > > Sign...some things never change.
> > >
> > > I wonder if the week link was at the Yahoo account or at the chair,
> > > in front of the keyboard?
> > >
> > > Jim
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "John Bartow" <jbartow at winhaven.net>
> > > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <
> > > dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2014 9:09:53 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Yahoo mail 1 TB?
> > >
> > > Hi Gustav,
> > > I don't believe so as AT& users can login from the Yahoo.com UI.
> > >
> > > Just this afternoon I had another home customer text me that their
> > > Yahoo account had been hacked. They do not have an AT&T email domain
> > > but a direct Yahoo.com account.  :-(
> > >
> > > John B
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav
> > > Brock
> > > Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2014 2:05 PM
> > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> > > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Yahoo mail 1 TB?
> > >
> > > Hi John
> > >
> > > That doesn't sound nice.
> > > Would there be any difference between AT&T/Yahoo accounts and a
> > > general Yahoo account?
> > >
> > > /gustav
> > >
> > >
> > _______________________________________________
> > dba-Tech mailing list
> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > dba-Tech mailing list
> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Regards,
>
> Steve Erbach
> Neenah, WI
> http://www.NeenahPolitics.com
> http://www.TheTownCrank.com
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
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> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
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>



-- 
Regards,

Steve Erbach
Neenah, WI
http://www.NeenahPolitics.com
http://www.TheTownCrank.com

From erbachs at gmail.com  Wed Mar 19 08:55:14 2014
From: erbachs at gmail.com (Steve Erbach)
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2014 08:55:14 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Resume / CV Advice Sought
In-Reply-To: <8A252120617A41B6B85437FBAADADB66@HAL9007>
References: <CAEPJO1gZM_aPdxHVYtoPqdRZHkNFC1O8dLJy8cq0AtRT6XxF8w@mail.gmail.com>
	<8A252120617A41B6B85437FBAADADB66@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <CAOY=wE+YCoGfOebSyMf3AmgJGOSa1UgDvN80+HCD6W8_vtSBKA@mail.gmail.com>

Rocky,

While savoring a mouthful of fine Bunn coffee I almost expelled it through
my nose at your FI list sally!



On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 11:32 AM, Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>wrote:

> Walk in, buttonhole the owner, have your elevator speech prepped, and
> convince them with the power of your personality that they'd be a fool to
> let you walk out and go somewhere else.
>
> R
>
>
> P.S.  I have a list of stuff I'm NOT going to do before I die.  I call it
> my
> Fuckit list.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
> Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2014 8:32 AM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: [dba-Tech] Resume / CV Advice Sought
>
> As regular listers will know, a while back I declared myself Semi-Retired.
> But now I want to try something radically new.
>
> Since I was about 15, I have been a coffee drinker. Since I was about 30, I
> slowly matured into a coffee aficionado. I know instantly the difference
> between, say, a Guatemalan coffee and a Kenyan -- hell, that's too easy --
> I
> can discern a Guatemlan from a Salvadorean. And I know some if not most of
> the lingo that coffee aficionados employ; it's similar to the vocabulary of
> wine lovers. One tiny exception is that in coffee, "acidy" is a good thing
> (to most but not all palates).
>
> Anyway, I have decided to realize an ambition on my Bucket List, to wit, to
> learn the art of coffee roasting, and to obtain a job performing this
> magic.
> There are several companies in Toronto that perform this art. I'm willing
> to
> go through the motions of learning to become a barista, but that at most
> would be a step toward my real goal.
>
> I dug out a few versions of my resume, which list in varying degrees of
> detail my 30+ years' experience writing software, mostly database-oriented.
> None of this experience is in any way related to my new Bucket List item,
> to
> become a coffee roaster. In this field I have no experience other than the
> consumption of vast amounts of coffee from numerous nations, and such
> knowledge as "espresso is neither a bean nor a drink, but a roast, which
> can
> be performed upon almost any type of bean."
>
> Even of the back story. My question is, How should I pitch myself to the
> one
> or three companies in Toronto that do their own roasting, and locally?
> (In case you wondered, Starbucks is not one of them, since they do their
> roasting not even in Canada, and the distance between roasting and selling
> is crucial to maintain the highest quality: distance and quality are
> inversely proportional.
>
> There's also an event-type called a Cupping, which to my knowledge none of
> the quality-coffee sellers in Toronto practice. This is very similar to a
> wine-tasting event; the participants do not swallow the coffees offered but
> savour them, rolling the mouthful around the tongue to appreciate the
> aspects of the taste (different parts of the tongue detect different
> aspects
> of the taste, and hence the need to roll the mouthful); then the mouthful
> is
> spit out as in wine-tasting. Since, to my knowledge, none of the three
> vendors to whom I'm considering applying for a gig, I would want to present
> Cuppings as a new marketing opportunity.
>
> So. How might I present myself as an aficionado with a serious desire to
> learn the art of roasting, and lacking any experience in this aspect of the
> business?
>
> Any suggestions shall be gratefully received.
>
> --
> Arthur
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>



-- 
Regards,

Steve Erbach
Neenah, WI
http://www.NeenahPolitics.com
http://www.TheTownCrank.com

From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Wed Mar 19 09:06:02 2014
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2014 10:06:02 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Free OneNote
In-Reply-To: <CAOY=wE+qcM=fYN1-1r-48zzyTSpzY50h09_YY+ag1y72vtiZPA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1imbaVPekZHaQ-RO37cgd45zLpzqHs19=Ei6HLBESf=ew@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAOY=wE+qcM=fYN1-1r-48zzyTSpzY50h09_YY+ag1y72vtiZPA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1jrhGdrR8O1XKLz-qrUs4EC8Ka+C9ZTjkd1Si8a2cVtkg@mail.gmail.com>

Steve,

Actually, I use OneNote not *as* a development editor, but more like a
library. I have NoteBooks for several programming languages such as VBA and
Javascript and SQL, each of which has sections such as DAO and ADO and
Strings in the case of VBA, and each of these sections has a collection of
pages containing one function or group of related functions per page. This
approach has enabled me to save a lot of code into an organized library; in
the case of VBA, the notebook contains a lot of code posted by various
listers on the AccessD list.

OneNote is also terrific for the mundane aspects of a development project:
meeting notes, telephone conversations, subjects to research, hours worked,
etc. Everything is all in one place, all loaded at once as soon as that
notebook is opened. No more trying to remember what was said in a phone
call a week or two ago: as long as my notes taken at the time of the call
were accurate (Skype and a headset enable me to type during the call,
rather than afterwards).

Arthur

P.S.
OneNote is excellent for non-work-related topics such as Recipes, too. My
sister-in-law once called me asking for ideas for new recipes -- I sent her
my OneNote book containing several hundred recipes, all organized by
category (chicken, beef, soups, vegetarian, etc.) Almost all of these were
pasted from emails sent to me by email from recipes.com and elsewhere.


On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 9:43 AM, Steve Erbach <erbachs at gmail.com> wrote:

> Arthur,
>
> I've been using OneNote for a year or so at work. I remembered being very
> puzzled by the lack of a search-and-replace capability. I spent time
> looking for it and searching for solutions on-line. It hasn't hampered me
> too much, but it's odd.
>
> I certainly like it for note taking, list making, idea starting, and
> organizing snippets and emails and web page clips.
>
> It's one of those things that you just have to use to discover its
> usefulness. E.g., the "Recent Edits" feature. I stumbled on that one and
> it's quite useful. I wish there were something like that for development,
> say, where one might not remember every single class or module that one
> changed in the past x days.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 3:41 AM, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com
> >wrote:
>
> > In my opinion, among Microsoft's plethora of software offerings, OneNote
> is
> > an unsung hero. I love this program and consider it indispensable.
> >
> > MS has now made it available for free to Windows and Mac users. You can
> > read about it here:
> >
> >
> >
> http://www.zdnet.com/microsoft-delivers-free-onenote-for-mac-and-windows-7000027378/#ftag=RSS14dc6a9
> >
> > --
> > Arthur
> > _______________________________________________
> > dba-Tech mailing list
> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Regards,
>
> Steve Erbach
> Neenah, WI
> http://www.NeenahPolitics.com
> http://www.TheTownCrank.com
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>



-- 
Arthur

From paul.hartland at googlemail.com  Wed Mar 19 11:33:09 2014
From: paul.hartland at googlemail.com (Paul Hartland)
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2014 16:33:09 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Free OneNote
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1jrhGdrR8O1XKLz-qrUs4EC8Ka+C9ZTjkd1Si8a2cVtkg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1imbaVPekZHaQ-RO37cgd45zLpzqHs19=Ei6HLBESf=ew@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAOY=wE+qcM=fYN1-1r-48zzyTSpzY50h09_YY+ag1y72vtiZPA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAEPJO1jrhGdrR8O1XKLz-qrUs4EC8Ka+C9ZTjkd1Si8a2cVtkg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALGJE97WgAeATdHw5AR0_rjouaErMa1wx=Okz-cAh6ytS=QB0g@mail.gmail.com>

Hmmmm that sounds like a good idea Arthur, I am forever throwing code which
I have found useful etc into notepad and saving it, but then when I want it
I can't find it or in the case of the last changing of PC's decided that I
would delete it, well think I has as can't find it anywhere and since I
have been out of work for a year I can't remember hardly any of the code I
had there and yes I hardly ever make backups (as he hears the cursing at
him lol) and the only simple one's I can remember are silly little
functions called HG_ON, HG_OFF for example to turn the hourglass on and off
and maybe change the mouse pointer, I had some code I had added to every so
often for proper propercase to take into account Mc, Mac and apostrophes
etc but all gone and as trying to learn vb.net now (yes I know, only just
trying to learn it now) I was thinking of starting to make a class or
classes of all the useful functions I could think of and storing them that
way.

Paul


On 19 March 2014 14:06, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com> wrote:

> Steve,
>
> Actually, I use OneNote not *as* a development editor, but more like a
> library. I have NoteBooks for several programming languages such as VBA and
> Javascript and SQL, each of which has sections such as DAO and ADO and
> Strings in the case of VBA, and each of these sections has a collection of
> pages containing one function or group of related functions per page. This
> approach has enabled me to save a lot of code into an organized library; in
> the case of VBA, the notebook contains a lot of code posted by various
> listers on the AccessD list.
>
> OneNote is also terrific for the mundane aspects of a development project:
> meeting notes, telephone conversations, subjects to research, hours worked,
> etc. Everything is all in one place, all loaded at once as soon as that
> notebook is opened. No more trying to remember what was said in a phone
> call a week or two ago: as long as my notes taken at the time of the call
> were accurate (Skype and a headset enable me to type during the call,
> rather than afterwards).
>
> Arthur
>
> P.S.
> OneNote is excellent for non-work-related topics such as Recipes, too. My
> sister-in-law once called me asking for ideas for new recipes -- I sent her
> my OneNote book containing several hundred recipes, all organized by
> category (chicken, beef, soups, vegetarian, etc.) Almost all of these were
> pasted from emails sent to me by email from recipes.com and elsewhere.
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 9:43 AM, Steve Erbach <erbachs at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Arthur,
> >
> > I've been using OneNote for a year or so at work. I remembered being very
> > puzzled by the lack of a search-and-replace capability. I spent time
> > looking for it and searching for solutions on-line. It hasn't hampered me
> > too much, but it's odd.
> >
> > I certainly like it for note taking, list making, idea starting, and
> > organizing snippets and emails and web page clips.
> >
> > It's one of those things that you just have to use to discover its
> > usefulness. E.g., the "Recent Edits" feature. I stumbled on that one and
> > it's quite useful. I wish there were something like that for development,
> > say, where one might not remember every single class or module that one
> > changed in the past x days.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 3:41 AM, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com
> > >wrote:
> >
> > > In my opinion, among Microsoft's plethora of software offerings,
> OneNote
> > is
> > > an unsung hero. I love this program and consider it indispensable.
> > >
> > > MS has now made it available for free to Windows and Mac users. You can
> > > read about it here:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> http://www.zdnet.com/microsoft-delivers-free-onenote-for-mac-and-windows-7000027378/#ftag=RSS14dc6a9
> > >
> > > --
> > > Arthur
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > dba-Tech mailing list
> > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Regards,
> >
> > Steve Erbach
> > Neenah, WI
> > http://www.NeenahPolitics.com
> > http://www.TheTownCrank.com
> > _______________________________________________
> > dba-Tech mailing list
> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Arthur
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>



-- 
Paul Hartland
paul.hartland at googlemail.com

From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Thu Mar 20 12:35:28 2014
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2014 13:35:28 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Free Intro to Linux Course
In-Reply-To: <CAAZtbWEmCwM3GZyXU3zrtCNguuEYufQiq6Fo8H8EjvHs7ZJU6w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAAZtbWEmCwM3GZyXU3zrtCNguuEYufQiq6Fo8H8EjvHs7ZJU6w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <532B26E0.50004@torchlake.com>

Somehow, the free intro course for a certificate requires a $250 minimum 
contribution.  I'll probably still do it, but I'm disappointed in what 
looks like a bait and switch strategy.
TNF

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
231-322-2787

On 3/17/2014 11:17 AM, Bryan Carbonnell wrote:
> For those of you that use or want to learn to use Linux, edX is
> offereing a free Intro to Linux course.
>
> Here is a link to an article about it:
>
> http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/03/2400-introduction-to-linux-course-will-be-free-and-online-this-summer/
>
> Here is a direct link to sign up for the course:
> https://www.edx.org/course/linuxfoundationx/linuxfoundationx-lfs101x-introduction-1621
>
>


From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Fri Mar 21 09:09:23 2014
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2014 10:09:23 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Malware Attack Hijacks 25,000 Linux/UNIX Servers
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1hi3u8BvOEcRb8hWizVynCbm06KACHx-gtdNdYvJgOF6g@mail.gmail.com>

This from slashdot...

"Security researchers from ESET have uncovered a widespread attack campaign
that has infected more than 25,000 Linux and UNIX servers around the world.
The servers are being hijacked by a backdoor Trojan as part of a campaign
the researchers are calling 'Operation Windigo.' Once infected, victimized
systems are leveraged to steal credentials, redirected web traffic to
malicious sites and send as many as 35 million spam messages a day.
'Windigo has been gathering strength, largely unnoticed by the security
community, for more than two and a half years and currently has 10,000
servers under its control,' said Pierre-Marc Bureau, security intelligence
program manager at ESET, in a statement.

There are many misconceptions around Linux security, and attacks are not
something only Windows users need to worry about. The main threats facing
Linux systems aren't zero-day vulnerabilities or malware, but things such
as Trojanized applications, PHP backdoors, and malicious login attempts
over SSH. ESET recommends webmasters and system administrators check their
systems to see if they are compromised, and has published a detailed report
presenting the findings and instructions on how to remove the malicious
code if it is present."

-- 
Arthur

From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Fri Mar 21 10:58:02 2014
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2014 11:58:02 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Malware Attack Hijacks 25,000 Linux/UNIX Servers
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1hi3u8BvOEcRb8hWizVynCbm06KACHx-gtdNdYvJgOF6g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1hi3u8BvOEcRb8hWizVynCbm06KACHx-gtdNdYvJgOF6g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <532C618A.8030009@torchlake.com>

Arthur,
Thanks for posting this.  We need to stay alert, no matter what 
operating system we use.  Where does one find the ESET report?
TNF

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
231-322-2787

On 3/21/2014 10:09 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote:
> This from slashdot...
>
> "Security researchers from ESET have uncovered a widespread attack campaign
> that has infected more than 25,000 Linux and UNIX servers around the world.
> The servers are being hijacked by a backdoor Trojan as part of a campaign
> the researchers are calling 'Operation Windigo.' Once infected, victimized
> systems are leveraged to steal credentials, redirected web traffic to
> malicious sites and send as many as 35 million spam messages a day.
> 'Windigo has been gathering strength, largely unnoticed by the security
> community, for more than two and a half years and currently has 10,000
> servers under its control,' said Pierre-Marc Bureau, security intelligence
> program manager at ESET, in a statement.
>
> There are many misconceptions around Linux security, and attacks are not
> something only Windows users need to worry about. The main threats facing
> Linux systems aren't zero-day vulnerabilities or malware, but things such
> as Trojanized applications, PHP backdoors, and malicious login attempts
> over SSH. ESET recommends webmasters and system administrators check their
> systems to see if they are compromised, and has published a detailed report
> presenting the findings and instructions on how to remove the malicious
> code if it is present."
>


From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Fri Mar 21 12:37:18 2014
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2014 13:37:18 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Malware Attack Hijacks 25,000 Linux/UNIX Servers
In-Reply-To: <532C618A.8030009@torchlake.com>
References: <CAEPJO1hi3u8BvOEcRb8hWizVynCbm06KACHx-gtdNdYvJgOF6g@mail.gmail.com>
	<532C618A.8030009@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1i4TveduwiMGpzA0TK9BqhsMScSSZ8Ws5U17iUxYUn-Mw@mail.gmail.com>

Tina,

http://blog.eset.ie/2014/03/18/operation-windigo-malware-used-to-attack-over-500000-computers-daily-after-25000-unix-servers-hijacked-by-backdoor-trojan/

Arthur


On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 11:58 AM, Tina Norris Fields <
tinanfields at torchlake.com> wrote:

> Arthur,
> Thanks for posting this.  We need to stay alert, no matter what operating
> system we use.  Where does one find the ESET report?
> TNF
>
> Tina Norris Fields
> tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
> 231-322-2787
>
>

From erbachs at gmail.com  Fri Mar 21 13:23:10 2014
From: erbachs at gmail.com (Steve Erbach)
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2014 13:23:10 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Free OneNote
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1jrhGdrR8O1XKLz-qrUs4EC8Ka+C9ZTjkd1Si8a2cVtkg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1imbaVPekZHaQ-RO37cgd45zLpzqHs19=Ei6HLBESf=ew@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAOY=wE+qcM=fYN1-1r-48zzyTSpzY50h09_YY+ag1y72vtiZPA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAEPJO1jrhGdrR8O1XKLz-qrUs4EC8Ka+C9ZTjkd1Si8a2cVtkg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAOY=wEL2UFcz-xX9QfeMWNy=KRD-JVsHUGjdQDVd8gz9DztF5A@mail.gmail.com>

Arthur,

>>  I use OneNote not *as* a development editor, but more like a  library <<

Not a bad idea at all.

>> ... the notebook contains a lot of code posted by various  listers on
the AccessD list. <<

Ever think of making that available? Sounds like a fine resource.

You just made me think of something with your discussion of code
repositories/libraries. I have recently begun using LINQ more in my .NET
projects. There is a utility written by Joseph Albahari called LINQPad.
Have you heard of it? If not, you may want to download it and give it a
try. I purchased the Premium edition ($59 or so) because I was so impressed
by it. LINQPad is one of the best utilities I've ever used.

It doesn't just allow you to write LINQ statements. It's a sandbox for C#,
VB, and F# code. If you're working on an algorithm in a .NET project,
LINQPad is great for trying out the code without having the overhead of
Visual Studio and a full-fledged .NET project to encapsulate your code.

It's also a fully functional SQL Server front-end. While it doesn't have
the Intellisense capabilities of SSMS (unless you write LINQ statements),
it does offer something interesting if you're willing to put a bit of time
into LINQ.

That is, if your SQL tables have foreign key relationships to each other,
the results of a LINQ query of a top-level table will present drill-downs
into the subsidiary tables, kind of like the way that Access does it. The
results are presented in HTML and you can drill down and back up in the
result of a LINQ query to see all the aspects of your result set with
respect to the linked tables.

It's a fine utility, one I'm very glad to have paid to get the full
version.



On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 9:06 AM, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com>wrote:

> Steve,
>
> Actually, I use OneNote not *as* a development editor, but more like a
> library. I have NoteBooks for several programming languages such as VBA and
> Javascript and SQL, each of which has sections such as DAO and ADO and
> Strings in the case of VBA, and each of these sections has a collection of
> pages containing one function or group of related functions per page. This
> approach has enabled me to save a lot of code into an organized library; in
> the case of VBA, the notebook contains a lot of code posted by various
> listers on the AccessD list.
>
> OneNote is also terrific for the mundane aspects of a development project:
> meeting notes, telephone conversations, subjects to research, hours worked,
> etc. Everything is all in one place, all loaded at once as soon as that
> notebook is opened. No more trying to remember what was said in a phone
> call a week or two ago: as long as my notes taken at the time of the call
> were accurate (Skype and a headset enable me to type during the call,
> rather than afterwards).
>
> Arthur
>
> P.S.
> OneNote is excellent for non-work-related topics such as Recipes, too. My
> sister-in-law once called me asking for ideas for new recipes -- I sent her
> my OneNote book containing several hundred recipes, all organized by
> category (chicken, beef, soups, vegetarian, etc.) Almost all of these were
> pasted from emails sent to me by email from recipes.com and elsewhere.
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 9:43 AM, Steve Erbach <erbachs at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Arthur,
> >
> > I've been using OneNote for a year or so at work. I remembered being very
> > puzzled by the lack of a search-and-replace capability. I spent time
> > looking for it and searching for solutions on-line. It hasn't hampered me
> > too much, but it's odd.
> >
> > I certainly like it for note taking, list making, idea starting, and
> > organizing snippets and emails and web page clips.
> >
> > It's one of those things that you just have to use to discover its
> > usefulness. E.g., the "Recent Edits" feature. I stumbled on that one and
> > it's quite useful. I wish there were something like that for development,
> > say, where one might not remember every single class or module that one
> > changed in the past x days.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 3:41 AM, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com
> > >wrote:
> >
> > > In my opinion, among Microsoft's plethora of software offerings,
> OneNote
> > is
> > > an unsung hero. I love this program and consider it indispensable.
> > >
> > > MS has now made it available for free to Windows and Mac users. You can
> > > read about it here:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> http://www.zdnet.com/microsoft-delivers-free-onenote-for-mac-and-windows-7000027378/#ftag=RSS14dc6a9
> > >
> > > --
> > > Arthur
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > dba-Tech mailing list
> > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Regards,
> >
> > Steve Erbach
> > Neenah, WI
> > http://www.NeenahPolitics.com
> > http://www.TheTownCrank.com
> > _______________________________________________
> > dba-Tech mailing list
> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Arthur
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>



-- 
Regards,

Steve Erbach
Neenah, WI
http://www.NeenahPolitics.com
http://www.TheTownCrank.com

From paul.hartland at googlemail.com  Fri Mar 21 14:19:20 2014
From: paul.hartland at googlemail.com (Paul Hartland)
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2014 19:19:20 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Free OneNote
In-Reply-To: <CAOY=wEL2UFcz-xX9QfeMWNy=KRD-JVsHUGjdQDVd8gz9DztF5A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1imbaVPekZHaQ-RO37cgd45zLpzqHs19=Ei6HLBESf=ew@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAOY=wE+qcM=fYN1-1r-48zzyTSpzY50h09_YY+ag1y72vtiZPA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAEPJO1jrhGdrR8O1XKLz-qrUs4EC8Ka+C9ZTjkd1Si8a2cVtkg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAOY=wEL2UFcz-xX9QfeMWNy=KRD-JVsHUGjdQDVd8gz9DztF5A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALGJE97enCq+=mL0cLhoBRya5FVk+2ko11dzv9Y4rwts1SEFaw@mail.gmail.com>

oohhh was just going to post a bit about LINQ, if I am coding an
application in vb.net or when I get round to learning it ASP.net are there
any advantages of using LINQ over SQL selects etc for data, not really
looked into LINQ but does just look like an upside down SQL statement...

Paul


On 21 March 2014 18:23, Steve Erbach <erbachs at gmail.com> wrote:

> Arthur,
>
> >>  I use OneNote not *as* a development editor, but more like a  library
> <<
>
> Not a bad idea at all.
>
> >> ... the notebook contains a lot of code posted by various  listers on
> the AccessD list. <<
>
> Ever think of making that available? Sounds like a fine resource.
>
> You just made me think of something with your discussion of code
> repositories/libraries. I have recently begun using LINQ more in my .NET
> projects. There is a utility written by Joseph Albahari called LINQPad.
> Have you heard of it? If not, you may want to download it and give it a
> try. I purchased the Premium edition ($59 or so) because I was so impressed
> by it. LINQPad is one of the best utilities I've ever used.
>
> It doesn't just allow you to write LINQ statements. It's a sandbox for C#,
> VB, and F# code. If you're working on an algorithm in a .NET project,
> LINQPad is great for trying out the code without having the overhead of
> Visual Studio and a full-fledged .NET project to encapsulate your code.
>
> It's also a fully functional SQL Server front-end. While it doesn't have
> the Intellisense capabilities of SSMS (unless you write LINQ statements),
> it does offer something interesting if you're willing to put a bit of time
> into LINQ.
>
> That is, if your SQL tables have foreign key relationships to each other,
> the results of a LINQ query of a top-level table will present drill-downs
> into the subsidiary tables, kind of like the way that Access does it. The
> results are presented in HTML and you can drill down and back up in the
> result of a LINQ query to see all the aspects of your result set with
> respect to the linked tables.
>
> It's a fine utility, one I'm very glad to have paid to get the full
> version.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 9:06 AM, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com
> >wrote:
>
> > Steve,
> >
> > Actually, I use OneNote not *as* a development editor, but more like a
> > library. I have NoteBooks for several programming languages such as VBA
> and
> > Javascript and SQL, each of which has sections such as DAO and ADO and
> > Strings in the case of VBA, and each of these sections has a collection
> of
> > pages containing one function or group of related functions per page.
> This
> > approach has enabled me to save a lot of code into an organized library;
> in
> > the case of VBA, the notebook contains a lot of code posted by various
> > listers on the AccessD list.
> >
> > OneNote is also terrific for the mundane aspects of a development
> project:
> > meeting notes, telephone conversations, subjects to research, hours
> worked,
> > etc. Everything is all in one place, all loaded at once as soon as that
> > notebook is opened. No more trying to remember what was said in a phone
> > call a week or two ago: as long as my notes taken at the time of the call
> > were accurate (Skype and a headset enable me to type during the call,
> > rather than afterwards).
> >
> > Arthur
> >
> > P.S.
> > OneNote is excellent for non-work-related topics such as Recipes, too. My
> > sister-in-law once called me asking for ideas for new recipes -- I sent
> her
> > my OneNote book containing several hundred recipes, all organized by
> > category (chicken, beef, soups, vegetarian, etc.) Almost all of these
> were
> > pasted from emails sent to me by email from recipes.com and elsewhere.
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 9:43 AM, Steve Erbach <erbachs at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Arthur,
> > >
> > > I've been using OneNote for a year or so at work. I remembered being
> very
> > > puzzled by the lack of a search-and-replace capability. I spent time
> > > looking for it and searching for solutions on-line. It hasn't hampered
> me
> > > too much, but it's odd.
> > >
> > > I certainly like it for note taking, list making, idea starting, and
> > > organizing snippets and emails and web page clips.
> > >
> > > It's one of those things that you just have to use to discover its
> > > usefulness. E.g., the "Recent Edits" feature. I stumbled on that one
> and
> > > it's quite useful. I wish there were something like that for
> development,
> > > say, where one might not remember every single class or module that one
> > > changed in the past x days.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 3:41 AM, Arthur Fuller <
> fuller.artful at gmail.com
> > > >wrote:
> > >
> > > > In my opinion, among Microsoft's plethora of software offerings,
> > OneNote
> > > is
> > > > an unsung hero. I love this program and consider it indispensable.
> > > >
> > > > MS has now made it available for free to Windows and Mac users. You
> can
> > > > read about it here:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> http://www.zdnet.com/microsoft-delivers-free-onenote-for-mac-and-windows-7000027378/#ftag=RSS14dc6a9
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Arthur
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > dba-Tech mailing list
> > > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Steve Erbach
> > > Neenah, WI
> > > http://www.NeenahPolitics.com
> > > http://www.TheTownCrank.com
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > dba-Tech mailing list
> > > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Arthur
> > _______________________________________________
> > dba-Tech mailing list
> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Regards,
>
> Steve Erbach
> Neenah, WI
> http://www.NeenahPolitics.com
> http://www.TheTownCrank.com
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
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>



-- 
Paul Hartland
paul.hartland at googlemail.com

From erbachs at gmail.com  Fri Mar 21 16:20:16 2014
From: erbachs at gmail.com (Steve Erbach)
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2014 16:20:16 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] LINQ -- Was  Free OneNote
Message-ID: <CAOY=wEJCYwm=fajR70rzSJUg10x35Og6XtxGOJkQ0XUvW-LJkw@mail.gmail.com>

Paul,

I'm still ramping up with LINQ, but here are the high points:


   - "Upside down SQL statement"...yes, that's the way it looks. It was
   done to allow querying of any data source, including array objects,
   collections, etc. SQL Server is simply one source for the data. LINQ lets
   you query almost any object that has data in it.
   - In Visual Studio you may take advantage of the Object Relational
   Modeler (I think that's what it's called). You open the Server Explorer,
   connect to SQL Server, and "drag" tables onto the ORM design "surface". If
   your tables are linked by foreign keys, the ORM designer will automagically
   connect the dots, similarly to the query design tool in SSMS. This is
   significant because...
   - Once you save the ORM design as a Visual Studio object (it goes into
   the App_Code folder, I believe) it sets up a new DataContext class that
   contains all the tables in your ORM. So when you create a LINQ query from
   an instance of that class, your tables' fields become properties of the
   DataContext table object complete with Intellisense. It makes for quite a
   bit less work than setting up SQL strings.
   - Then the results of the LINQ query are stored in an IEnumerable object
   that can be looped through.
   - LINQ syntax includes the concept of chaining operators, just as
   methods can be chained in C# or VB. This makes for very flexible and
   concise query statements. E.g., in C#, the following code creates a string
   array and then manipulates it in a LINQ query, using WHERE, ORDERBY, and
   SELECT clauses which themselves use the .NET functions Contains, Length,
   and ToUpper:

   string[] names = { "Tom", "Dick", "Harry", "Mary", "Jay" };

   IEnumerable<string> query = names
   .Where (n => n.Contains ("a"))
   .OrderBy (n => n.Length)
   .Select (n => n.ToUpper());

   foreach (string name in query) Console.WriteLine (name);

I could go on...and I could certainly go on about LINQPad...a great way to
learn LINQ, by the way. And its ability to serve as a scratchpad/sandbox
for .NET applications -- not just for LINQ queries but for any kind of VB
or C# or F# code -- is very very handy.

-- 
Regards,

Steve Erbach
Neenah, WI


On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 2:19 PM, Paul Hartland <paul.hartland at googlemail.com
> wrote:

> oohhh was just going to post a bit about LINQ, if I am coding an
> application in vb.net or when I get round to learning it ASP.net are there
> any advantages of using LINQ over SQL selects etc for data, not really
> looked into LINQ but does just look like an upside down SQL statement...
>
> Paul
>
>
> On 21 March 2014 18:23, Steve Erbach <erbachs at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Arthur,
> >
> > >>  I use OneNote not *as* a development editor, but more like a  library
> > <<
> >
> > Not a bad idea at all.
> >
> > >> ... the notebook contains a lot of code posted by various  listers on
> > the AccessD list. <<
> >
> > Ever think of making that available? Sounds like a fine resource.
> >
> > You just made me think of something with your discussion of code
> > repositories/libraries. I have recently begun using LINQ more in my .NET
> > projects. There is a utility written by Joseph Albahari called LINQPad.
> > Have you heard of it? If not, you may want to download it and give it a
> > try. I purchased the Premium edition ($59 or so) because I was so
> impressed
> > by it. LINQPad is one of the best utilities I've ever used.
> >
> > It doesn't just allow you to write LINQ statements. It's a sandbox for
> C#,
> > VB, and F# code. If you're working on an algorithm in a .NET project,
> > LINQPad is great for trying out the code without having the overhead of
> > Visual Studio and a full-fledged .NET project to encapsulate your code.
> >
> > It's also a fully functional SQL Server front-end. While it doesn't have
> > the Intellisense capabilities of SSMS (unless you write LINQ statements),
> > it does offer something interesting if you're willing to put a bit of
> time
> > into LINQ.
> >
> > That is, if your SQL tables have foreign key relationships to each other,
> > the results of a LINQ query of a top-level table will present drill-downs
> > into the subsidiary tables, kind of like the way that Access does it. The
> > results are presented in HTML and you can drill down and back up in the
> > result of a LINQ query to see all the aspects of your result set with
> > respect to the linked tables.
> >
> > It's a fine utility, one I'm very glad to have paid to get the full
> > version.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 9:06 AM, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com
> > >wrote:
> >
> > > Steve,
> > >
> > > Actually, I use OneNote not *as* a development editor, but more like a
> > > library. I have NoteBooks for several programming languages such as VBA
> > and
> > > Javascript and SQL, each of which has sections such as DAO and ADO and
> > > Strings in the case of VBA, and each of these sections has a collection
> > of
> > > pages containing one function or group of related functions per page.
> > This
> > > approach has enabled me to save a lot of code into an organized
> library;
> > in
> > > the case of VBA, the notebook contains a lot of code posted by various
> > > listers on the AccessD list.
> > >
> > > OneNote is also terrific for the mundane aspects of a development
> > project:
> > > meeting notes, telephone conversations, subjects to research, hours
> > worked,
> > > etc. Everything is all in one place, all loaded at once as soon as that
> > > notebook is opened. No more trying to remember what was said in a phone
> > > call a week or two ago: as long as my notes taken at the time of the
> call
> > > were accurate (Skype and a headset enable me to type during the call,
> > > rather than afterwards).
> > >
> > > Arthur
> > >
> > > P.S.
> > > OneNote is excellent for non-work-related topics such as Recipes, too.
> My
> > > sister-in-law once called me asking for ideas for new recipes -- I sent
> > her
> > > my OneNote book containing several hundred recipes, all organized by
> > > category (chicken, beef, soups, vegetarian, etc.) Almost all of these
> > were
> > > pasted from emails sent to me by email from recipes.com and elsewhere.
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 9:43 AM, Steve Erbach <erbachs at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Arthur,
> > > >
> > > > I've been using OneNote for a year or so at work. I remembered being
> > very
> > > > puzzled by the lack of a search-and-replace capability. I spent time
> > > > looking for it and searching for solutions on-line. It hasn't
> hampered
> > me
> > > > too much, but it's odd.
> > > >
> > > > I certainly like it for note taking, list making, idea starting, and
> > > > organizing snippets and emails and web page clips.
> > > >
> > > > It's one of those things that you just have to use to discover its
> > > > usefulness. E.g., the "Recent Edits" feature. I stumbled on that one
> > and
> > > > it's quite useful. I wish there were something like that for
> > development,
> > > > say, where one might not remember every single class or module that
> one
> > > > changed in the past x days.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 3:41 AM, Arthur Fuller <
> > fuller.artful at gmail.com
> > > > >wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > In my opinion, among Microsoft's plethora of software offerings,
> > > OneNote
> > > > is
> > > > > an unsung hero. I love this program and consider it indispensable.
> > > > >
> > > > > MS has now made it available for free to Windows and Mac users. You
> > can
> > > > > read about it here:
> > > > >
> > > > >
>

From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Fri Mar 21 16:58:12 2014
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2014 17:58:12 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Free OneNote
In-Reply-To: <CALGJE97enCq+=mL0cLhoBRya5FVk+2ko11dzv9Y4rwts1SEFaw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1imbaVPekZHaQ-RO37cgd45zLpzqHs19=Ei6HLBESf=ew@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAOY=wE+qcM=fYN1-1r-48zzyTSpzY50h09_YY+ag1y72vtiZPA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAEPJO1jrhGdrR8O1XKLz-qrUs4EC8Ka+C9ZTjkd1Si8a2cVtkg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAOY=wEL2UFcz-xX9QfeMWNy=KRD-JVsHUGjdQDVd8gz9DztF5A@mail.gmail.com>
	<CALGJE97enCq+=mL0cLhoBRya5FVk+2ko11dzv9Y4rwts1SEFaw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1iN2WrnJpOi1JOaM2pS4_isLiXspVfXRkP-7=GKY2PeYA@mail.gmail.com>

Steve,

Actually, I had planned to upload it to the Artful web site (
artfulsoftware.com, which is mostly about MySQL but there's some SQL Server
stuff there as well). Sometime this weekend I'll upload it there and then
post a message here that it's available for download. Then anyone
interested can grab it.

I just checked the size of the VBA notebook and it's a mere 3.5 MB, so
zipped it should be quite small.

Arthur


On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 3:19 PM, Paul Hartland <paul.hartland at googlemail.com
> wrote:

> oohhh was just going to post a bit about LINQ, if I am coding an
> application in vb.net or when I get round to learning it ASP.net are there
> any advantages of using LINQ over SQL selects etc for data, not really
> looked into LINQ but does just look like an upside down SQL statement...
>
> Paul
>
>
> On 21 March 2014 18:23, Steve Erbach <erbachs at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Arthur,
> >
> > >>  I use OneNote not *as* a development editor, but more like a  library
> > <<
> >
> > Not a bad idea at all.
> >
> > >> ... the notebook contains a lot of code posted by various  listers on
> > the AccessD list. <<
> >
> > Ever think of making that available? Sounds like a fine resource.
>

From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Fri Mar 21 17:02:21 2014
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2014 18:02:21 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] LINQ -- Was Free OneNote
In-Reply-To: <CAOY=wEJCYwm=fajR70rzSJUg10x35Og6XtxGOJkQ0XUvW-LJkw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAOY=wEJCYwm=fajR70rzSJUg10x35Og6XtxGOJkQ0XUvW-LJkw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1h8PQ=mu-1=dsmSm6EWB2boX_1679XELoCEr4neSbMvNg@mail.gmail.com>

I've pretty much ignored LINQ but now I'm persuaded. I'll download LINQPad
too and start playing around.

Arthur


From gustav at cactus.dk  Sat Mar 22 11:20:17 2014
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2014 16:20:17 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] ReFS on Windows Server 2012 R2 is screaming
Message-ID: <023ec7a13f9f4061b1c1c50f5f58b2b9@AMSPR06MB311.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Hi all



We're about setting up new file servers, Windows 2012 R2.

The new ReFS file system and the SMB 3.0 protocol is so fast that it can push the network speed over an Intel 1 Gb NIC above 100%. I've never seen this before and had to take a screenshot:



http://1drv.ms/OIg1t8



The drive is a Constellation server disk on a 6 Gb SATA controller in a Fujitsu Primergy T140 S1p Xeon based server.

If you use an SSD drive you may push the reading speed to 100% too.



If you use NTFS formatting, NIC usage is reduced to about 96%, but transfer speed is still beyond 100 MB/s.



/gustav



From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Sat Mar 22 11:53:44 2014
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2014 12:53:44 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Financial Institutions Migrating from XP to Linux
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1i5kByoqXrdz7-h+WSn+fXHSFF9-M5z-vGqVzoRfqcKpQ@mail.gmail.com>

ComputerWorld has an interesting piece on this subject. Aside from the cost
of the software (there are 400K ATMs in the US alone), there is the fact
that the institutions are at the mercy of Microsoft's obsolescence
deadline, currently April 8. It is estimated that 95% of the ATMs in the
world run XP currently.

http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9247096/ATM_operators_eye_Linux_as_alternative_to_Windows_XP
.

-- 
Arthur

From peter.brawley at earthlink.net  Sat Mar 22 15:36:45 2014
From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley)
Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2014 15:36:45 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Financial Institutions Migrating from XP to Linux
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1i5kByoqXrdz7-h+WSn+fXHSFF9-M5z-vGqVzoRfqcKpQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1i5kByoqXrdz7-h+WSn+fXHSFF9-M5z-vGqVzoRfqcKpQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <532DF45D.2000505@earthlink.net>

On 2014-03-22 11:53 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote:
> ComputerWorld has an interesting piece on this subject. Aside from the cost
> of the software (there are 400K ATMs in the US alone), there is the fact
> that the institutions are at the mercy of Microsoft's obsolescence
> deadline, currently April 8. It is estimated that 95% of the ATMs in the
> world run XP currently.
>
> http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9247096/ATM_operators_eye_Linux_as_alternative_to_Windows_XP

Microsoft's forced obsolescence policy is coercion in the service of 
profit, an argument against depending on any of their software.

PB

From accessd at shaw.ca  Sat Mar 22 23:47:35 2014
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2014 22:47:35 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Malware Attack Hijacks 25,000 Linux/UNIX Servers
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1hi3u8BvOEcRb8hWizVynCbm06KACHx-gtdNdYvJgOF6g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <535737596.8653404.1395550055995.JavaMail.root@cds018>

Hi Arthur:

This is particularly serious as most of the major servers in the internet industry are Linux and they have so far remained above the fray. Any intrusions so far have been from installed third-party software. This one infection, Windigo (after Windows, I would suspect?), was initiated via a back-door created in OpenSSH (supposedly for administration duties?) The software once on a system scans the local credential files and then uses the information acquired to breach yet another system and so on... Then to guarantee secured infection it root-kits the OS.  

The only cure is to re-install the OS. To test whether your servers are infected you can run the following script:

ssh -G 2>&1 | grep -e illegal -e unknown > /dev/null && echo "System clean" || echo "System infected"

The way to stop such an attack is to make sure your servers/stations are properly secured with decent password complexity and/or two level password protection. 

According to one blog, and who knows the reality at the moment, this attack may be state sponsored, but that seems far-fetched as the malware's intention seems to be to create yet another spam zombie.

Jim   

----- Original Message -----
From: "Arthur Fuller" <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, March 21, 2014 7:09:23 AM
Subject: [dba-Tech] Malware Attack Hijacks 25,000 Linux/UNIX Servers

This from slashdot...

"Security researchers from ESET have uncovered a widespread attack campaign
that has infected more than 25,000 Linux and UNIX servers around the world.
The servers are being hijacked by a backdoor Trojan as part of a campaign
the researchers are calling 'Operation Windigo.' Once infected, victimized
systems are leveraged to steal credentials, redirected web traffic to
malicious sites and send as many as 35 million spam messages a day.
'Windigo has been gathering strength, largely unnoticed by the security
community, for more than two and a half years and currently has 10,000
servers under its control,' said Pierre-Marc Bureau, security intelligence
program manager at ESET, in a statement.

There are many misconceptions around Linux security, and attacks are not
something only Windows users need to worry about. The main threats facing
Linux systems aren't zero-day vulnerabilities or malware, but things such
as Trojanized applications, PHP backdoors, and malicious login attempts
over SSH. ESET recommends webmasters and system administrators check their
systems to see if they are compromised, and has published a detailed report
presenting the findings and instructions on how to remove the malicious
code if it is present."

-- 
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sun Mar 23 00:14:34 2014
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2014 23:14:34 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] ReFS on Windows Server 2012 R2 is screaming
In-Reply-To: <023ec7a13f9f4061b1c1c50f5f58b2b9@AMSPR06MB311.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <1145166081.8659447.1395551674830.JavaMail.root@cds018>

Hi Gustav:

Impressive to say the least. I had never heard of the ReFS file system before and it seems like a definite improvement over the old NTFS. 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ReFS

Jim 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2014 9:20:17 AM
Subject: [dba-Tech] ReFS on Windows Server 2012 R2 is screaming

Hi all



We're about setting up new file servers, Windows 2012 R2.

The new ReFS file system and the SMB 3.0 protocol is so fast that it can push the network speed over an Intel 1 Gb NIC above 100%. I've never seen this before and had to take a screenshot:



http://1drv.ms/OIg1t8



The drive is a Constellation server disk on a 6 Gb SATA controller in a Fujitsu Primergy T140 S1p Xeon based server.

If you use an SSD drive you may push the reading speed to 100% too.



If you use NTFS formatting, NIC usage is reduced to about 96%, but transfer speed is still beyond 100 MB/s.



/gustav


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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sun Mar 23 00:19:36 2014
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2014 23:19:36 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Financial Institutions Migrating from XP to Linux
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1i5kByoqXrdz7-h+WSn+fXHSFF9-M5z-vGqVzoRfqcKpQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <872148750.8660408.1395551976118.JavaMail.root@cds018>

Hi Arthur:

Note: Just an amusing aside, that many (most if not all?) of the XP OSs running on the ATMs have not been patched or updated for years anyway...but don't tell anyone, no one is supposed to know that. ;-)

Making the XP OS obsolete will finally get these guys off the collective a****.
 
Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Arthur Fuller" <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2014 9:53:44 AM
Subject: [dba-Tech] Financial Institutions Migrating from XP to Linux

ComputerWorld has an interesting piece on this subject. Aside from the cost
of the software (there are 400K ATMs in the US alone), there is the fact
that the institutions are at the mercy of Microsoft's obsolescence
deadline, currently April 8. It is estimated that 95% of the ATMs in the
world run XP currently.

http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9247096/ATM_operators_eye_Linux_as_alternative_to_Windows_XP
.

-- 
Arthur
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sun Mar 23 17:09:16 2014
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2014 16:09:16 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Financial Institutions Migrating from XP to Linux
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1i5kByoqXrdz7-h+WSn+fXHSFF9-M5z-vGqVzoRfqcKpQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1139653870.8989532.1395612556729.JavaMail.root@cds018>

Hi Arthur:

And to add to the list...
http://thehackernews.com/2014/03/indian-banks-switching-to-linux-rather.html

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Arthur Fuller" <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2014 9:53:44 AM
Subject: [dba-Tech] Financial Institutions Migrating from XP to Linux

ComputerWorld has an interesting piece on this subject. Aside from the cost
of the software (there are 400K ATMs in the US alone), there is the fact
that the institutions are at the mercy of Microsoft's obsolescence
deadline, currently April 8. It is estimated that 95% of the ATMs in the
world run XP currently.

http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9247096/ATM_operators_eye_Linux_as_alternative_to_Windows_XP
.

-- 
Arthur
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From erbachs at gmail.com  Sun Mar 23 17:16:53 2014
From: erbachs at gmail.com (Steve Erbach)
Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2014 17:16:53 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Free OneNote
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1iN2WrnJpOi1JOaM2pS4_isLiXspVfXRkP-7=GKY2PeYA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1imbaVPekZHaQ-RO37cgd45zLpzqHs19=Ei6HLBESf=ew@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAOY=wE+qcM=fYN1-1r-48zzyTSpzY50h09_YY+ag1y72vtiZPA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAEPJO1jrhGdrR8O1XKLz-qrUs4EC8Ka+C9ZTjkd1Si8a2cVtkg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAOY=wEL2UFcz-xX9QfeMWNy=KRD-JVsHUGjdQDVd8gz9DztF5A@mail.gmail.com>
	<CALGJE97enCq+=mL0cLhoBRya5FVk+2ko11dzv9Y4rwts1SEFaw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAEPJO1iN2WrnJpOi1JOaM2pS4_isLiXspVfXRkP-7=GKY2PeYA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAOY=wE+9s863a_o2oV_HW2UC1SZyNGiupKn+L+btxdx7waH9Sw@mail.gmail.com>

Excellent, Arthur! I actually purchased your MySQL book several years ago.



On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 4:58 PM, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com>wrote:

> Steve,
>
> Actually, I had planned to upload it to the Artful web site (
> artfulsoftware.com, which is mostly about MySQL but there's some SQL
> Server
> stuff there as well). Sometime this weekend I'll upload it there and then
> post a message here that it's available for download. Then anyone
> interested can grab it.
>
> I just checked the size of the VBA notebook and it's a mere 3.5 MB, so
> zipped it should be quite small.
>
> Arthur
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 3:19 PM, Paul Hartland <
> paul.hartland at googlemail.com
> > wrote:
>
> > oohhh was just going to post a bit about LINQ, if I am coding an
> > application in vb.net or when I get round to learning it ASP.net are
> there
> > any advantages of using LINQ over SQL selects etc for data, not really
> > looked into LINQ but does just look like an upside down SQL statement...
> >
> > Paul
> >
> >
> > On 21 March 2014 18:23, Steve Erbach <erbachs at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Arthur,
> > >
> > > >>  I use OneNote not *as* a development editor, but more like a
>  library
> > > <<
> > >
> > > Not a bad idea at all.
> > >
> > > >> ... the notebook contains a lot of code posted by various  listers
> on
> > > the AccessD list. <<
> > >
> > > Ever think of making that available? Sounds like a fine resource.
> >
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Steve Erbach
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http://www.TheTownCrank.com

From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Sun Mar 23 18:07:10 2014
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2014 19:07:10 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Free OneNote
In-Reply-To: <CAOY=wE+9s863a_o2oV_HW2UC1SZyNGiupKn+L+btxdx7waH9Sw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1imbaVPekZHaQ-RO37cgd45zLpzqHs19=Ei6HLBESf=ew@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAOY=wE+qcM=fYN1-1r-48zzyTSpzY50h09_YY+ag1y72vtiZPA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAEPJO1jrhGdrR8O1XKLz-qrUs4EC8Ka+C9ZTjkd1Si8a2cVtkg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAOY=wEL2UFcz-xX9QfeMWNy=KRD-JVsHUGjdQDVd8gz9DztF5A@mail.gmail.com>
	<CALGJE97enCq+=mL0cLhoBRya5FVk+2ko11dzv9Y4rwts1SEFaw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAEPJO1iN2WrnJpOi1JOaM2pS4_isLiXspVfXRkP-7=GKY2PeYA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAOY=wE+9s863a_o2oV_HW2UC1SZyNGiupKn+L+btxdx7waH9Sw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1gkYHR1+8XCLgS3qNfxwdAEY_y4ROOMH3P+oo7ggfoGdg@mail.gmail.com>

Steve,

Wow, thanks! The file should be up in a day or two. I'll post a message
when it's there.

A.


On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 6:16 PM, Steve Erbach <erbachs at gmail.com> wrote:

> Excellent, Arthur! I actually purchased your MySQL book several years ago.
>
>

From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Sun Mar 23 18:21:21 2014
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2014 19:21:21 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Financial Institutions Migrating from XP to Linux
In-Reply-To: <1139653870.8989532.1395612556729.JavaMail.root@cds018>
References: <CAEPJO1i5kByoqXrdz7-h+WSn+fXHSFF9-M5z-vGqVzoRfqcKpQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<1139653870.8989532.1395612556729.JavaMail.root@cds018>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1gqOe7F2oY5dDx7ovtHBxX9DWJ9eZEX9+W=34Dpt0dzeQ@mail.gmail.com>

Jim,

The thing that caught my eye is that India can make do with a mere 115,000
ATMs. Given the size of its population, that's a lot of people per ATM. The
lineups must be lengthy.

A.


On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 6:09 PM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> Hi Arthur:
>
> And to add to the list...
>
> http://thehackernews.com/2014/03/indian-banks-switching-to-linux-rather.html
>
> Jim
>

From jbartow at winhaven.net  Sun Mar 23 18:50:58 2014
From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2014 18:50:58 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Malware Attack Hijacks 25,000 Linux/UNIX Servers
In-Reply-To: <535737596.8653404.1395550055995.JavaMail.root@cds018>
References: <CAEPJO1hi3u8BvOEcRb8hWizVynCbm06KACHx-gtdNdYvJgOF6g@mail.gmail.com>
	<535737596.8653404.1395550055995.JavaMail.root@cds018>
Message-ID: <001601cf46f2$bdbc06c0$39341440$@winhaven.net>

If it gets through, spam is, in and of itself, terrorizing to the common
person. Many of them point out a person's inadequacies  ;-)

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2014 11:48 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Malware Attack Hijacks 25,000 Linux/UNIX Servers

According to one blog, and who knows the reality at the moment, this attack
may be state sponsored, but that seems far-fetched as the malware's
intention seems to be to create yet another spam zombie.

Jim   


From erbachs at gmail.com  Sun Mar 23 19:43:48 2014
From: erbachs at gmail.com (Steve Erbach)
Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2014 19:43:48 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] LINQ -- Was Free OneNote
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1h8PQ=mu-1=dsmSm6EWB2boX_1679XELoCEr4neSbMvNg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAOY=wEJCYwm=fajR70rzSJUg10x35Og6XtxGOJkQ0XUvW-LJkw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAEPJO1h8PQ=mu-1=dsmSm6EWB2boX_1679XELoCEr4neSbMvNg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAOY=wE+Pzh1TEY4Z6sDpp=gH5eq6iYYJ6Ax55NqCK8t0NyCrkQ@mail.gmail.com>

Arthur,

I hope that you find it useful. I wish I'd have downloaded it when I first
got exposed to LINQ a couple of years ago. I'd be using it more now.

LINQ is kinda laborious to explain. If you don't set up an Object
Relational Model in Visual Studio, then you won't get the Intellisense
benefit. Not that making an ORM is any hardship; it's just that it's
another object type that needs to be compiled into your .NET project.

But with LINQPad, you can avoid the ORM. It's very much like Intellisense
in SSMS...it's just there after you've connected to a data source.

LINQPad also comes with quite a bit of sample code gleaned from Albahari's
books and presentations. There's a list of additional resources for
downloading as samples into LINQPad that you can pick from right there in
LINQPad...but I'm not certain if that's only with the paid version.




On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 5:02 PM, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com>wrote:

> I've pretty much ignored LINQ but now I'm persuaded. I'll download LINQPad
> too and start playing around.
>
> Arthur
>
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>



-- 
Regards,

Steve Erbach
Neenah, WI
http://www.NeenahPolitics.com
http://www.TheTownCrank.com

From accessd at shaw.ca  Sun Mar 23 20:29:51 2014
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2014 19:29:51 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Financial Institutions Migrating from XP to Linux
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1gqOe7F2oY5dDx7ovtHBxX9DWJ9eZEX9+W=34Dpt0dzeQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1742633523.9056693.1395624591785.JavaMail.root@cds018>

Hi Arthur:

Good observation. I would expect the use of ATMs in India is only going to go up...a billion people should have three times that of the US...say around a million plus ATMs. 

Aside: Why does a dictatorship like China continues to flourish even after a decade of stellar growth and a democracy like India languishes in the economic cellar. Apparently, democracy is not good for business?

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Arthur Fuller" <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, 23 March, 2014 4:21:21 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Financial Institutions Migrating from XP to Linux

Jim,

The thing that caught my eye is that India can make do with a mere 115,000
ATMs. Given the size of its population, that's a lot of people per ATM. The
lineups must be lengthy.

A.


On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 6:09 PM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> Hi Arthur:
>
> And to add to the list...
>
> http://thehackernews.com/2014/03/indian-banks-switching-to-linux-rather.html
>
> Jim
>
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sun Mar 23 20:35:18 2014
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2014 19:35:18 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Malware Attack Hijacks 25,000 Linux/UNIX Servers
In-Reply-To: <001601cf46f2$bdbc06c0$39341440$@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <1188214134.9058356.1395624918595.JavaMail.root@cds018>

A call to the Linux Foundation: So get to it and fix it. Nothing like a wake call to the complacent. Pretty soon they will be calling Linux, Windux. ;-)

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "John Bartow" <jbartow at winhaven.net>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, 23 March, 2014 4:50:58 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Malware Attack Hijacks 25,000 Linux/UNIX Servers

If it gets through, spam is, in and of itself, terrorizing to the common
person. Many of them point out a person's inadequacies  ;-)

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2014 11:48 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Malware Attack Hijacks 25,000 Linux/UNIX Servers

According to one blog, and who knows the reality at the moment, this attack
may be state sponsored, but that seems far-fetched as the malware's
intention seems to be to create yet another spam zombie.

Jim   

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From jbartow at winhaven.net  Sun Mar 23 21:22:18 2014
From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2014 21:22:18 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Malware Attack Hijacks 25,000 Linux/UNIX Servers
In-Reply-To: <1188214134.9058356.1395624918595.JavaMail.root@cds018>
References: <001601cf46f2$bdbc06c0$39341440$@winhaven.net>
	<1188214134.9058356.1395624918595.JavaMail.root@cds018>
Message-ID: <001b01cf4707$e19957e0$a4cc07a0$@winhaven.net>

Ha! Windux, good one. I just read that the Indian government is moving from
XP to Windux. The bigger it gets the more it's a target, that's fairly
evident.

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2014 8:35 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Malware Attack Hijacks 25,000 Linux/UNIX Servers

A call to the Linux Foundation: So get to it and fix it. Nothing like a wake
call to the complacent. Pretty soon they will be calling Linux, Windux. ;-)

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "John Bartow" <jbartow at winhaven.net>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, 23 March, 2014 4:50:58 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Malware Attack Hijacks 25,000 Linux/UNIX Servers

If it gets through, spam is, in and of itself, terrorizing to the common
person. Many of them point out a person's inadequacies  ;-)

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2014 11:48 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Malware Attack Hijacks 25,000 Linux/UNIX Servers

According to one blog, and who knows the reality at the moment, this attack
may be state sponsored, but that seems far-fetched as the malware's
intention seems to be to create yet another spam zombie.

Jim   

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From peter.brawley at earthlink.net  Sun Mar 23 22:07:33 2014
From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley)
Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2014 22:07:33 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Financial Institutions Migrating from XP to Linux
In-Reply-To: <1742633523.9056693.1395624591785.JavaMail.root@cds018>
References: <1742633523.9056693.1395624591785.JavaMail.root@cds018>
Message-ID: <532FA175.90906@earthlink.net>

On 2014-03-23 8:29 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote:
> Hi Arthur:
>
> Good observation. I would expect the use of ATMs in India is only going to go up...a billion people should have three times that of the US...say around a million plus ATMs.

Many don't have bank accounts. Better to compare the size of the middle 
classes?

PB

-----

>
> Aside: Why does a dictatorship like China continues to flourish even after a decade of stellar growth and a democracy like India languishes in the economic cellar. Apparently, democracy is not good for business?
>
> Jim
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Arthur Fuller" <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Sunday, 23 March, 2014 4:21:21 PM
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Financial Institutions Migrating from XP to Linux
>
> Jim,
>
> The thing that caught my eye is that India can make do with a mere 115,000
> ATMs. Given the size of its population, that's a lot of people per ATM. The
> lineups must be lengthy.
>
> A.
>
>
> On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 6:09 PM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
>
>> Hi Arthur:
>>
>> And to add to the list...
>>
>> http://thehackernews.com/2014/03/indian-banks-switching-to-linux-rather.html
>>
>> Jim
>>
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From peter.brawley at earthlink.net  Sun Mar 23 22:09:52 2014
From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley)
Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2014 22:09:52 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Financial Institutions Migrating from XP to Linux
In-Reply-To: <1742633523.9056693.1395624591785.JavaMail.root@cds018>
References: <1742633523.9056693.1395624591785.JavaMail.root@cds018>
Message-ID: <532FA200.1050705@earthlink.net>

On 2014-03-23 8:29 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote:
> Hi Arthur:
>
> Good observation. I would expect the use of ATMs in India is only going to go up...a billion people should have three times that of the US...say around a million plus ATMs.
>
> Aside: Why does a dictatorship like China continues to flourish even after a decade of stellar growth and a democracy like India languishes in the economic cellar. Apparently, democracy is not good for business?

In lots of asian countries (eg S Korea, Japan, Indonesia), explosive 
growth got started with long periods of dictatorship before any moves 
toward democracy.

PB


>
> Jim
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Arthur Fuller" <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Sunday, 23 March, 2014 4:21:21 PM
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Financial Institutions Migrating from XP to Linux
>
> Jim,
>
> The thing that caught my eye is that India can make do with a mere 115,000
> ATMs. Given the size of its population, that's a lot of people per ATM. The
> lineups must be lengthy.
>
> A.
>
>
> On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 6:09 PM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
>
>> Hi Arthur:
>>
>> And to add to the list...
>>
>> http://thehackernews.com/2014/03/indian-banks-switching-to-linux-rather.html
>>
>> Jim
>>
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Sun Mar 23 22:25:12 2014
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2014 20:25:12 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Financial Institutions Migrating from XP to Linux
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1gqOe7F2oY5dDx7ovtHBxX9DWJ9eZEX9+W=34Dpt0dzeQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1i5kByoqXrdz7-h+WSn+fXHSFF9-M5z-vGqVzoRfqcKpQ@mail.gmail.com><1139653870.8989532.1395612556729.JavaMail.root@cds018>
	<CAEPJO1gqOe7F2oY5dDx7ovtHBxX9DWJ9eZEX9+W=34Dpt0dzeQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <678026A76C714241BF03C4D684BD8EDC@HAL9007>

People who don't have bank accounts don't need ATMs.  Which is half of them.

http://blogs.wsj.com/indiarealtime/2012/11/01/why-few-indians-have-bank-acco
unts/

R
 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2014 4:21 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Financial Institutions Migrating from XP to Linux

Jim,

The thing that caught my eye is that India can make do with a mere 115,000
ATMs. Given the size of its population, that's a lot of people per ATM. The
lineups must be lengthy.

A.


On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 6:09 PM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> Hi Arthur:
>
> And to add to the list...
>
> http://thehackernews.com/2014/03/indian-banks-switching-to-linux-rathe
> r.html
>
> Jim
>
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From peter.brawley at earthlink.net  Sun Mar 23 22:40:59 2014
From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley)
Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2014 22:40:59 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Free OneNote
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1gkYHR1+8XCLgS3qNfxwdAEY_y4ROOMH3P+oo7ggfoGdg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1imbaVPekZHaQ-RO37cgd45zLpzqHs19=Ei6HLBESf=ew@mail.gmail.com>	<CAOY=wE+qcM=fYN1-1r-48zzyTSpzY50h09_YY+ag1y72vtiZPA@mail.gmail.com>	<CAEPJO1jrhGdrR8O1XKLz-qrUs4EC8Ka+C9ZTjkd1Si8a2cVtkg@mail.gmail.com>	<CAOY=wEL2UFcz-xX9QfeMWNy=KRD-JVsHUGjdQDVd8gz9DztF5A@mail.gmail.com>	<CALGJE97enCq+=mL0cLhoBRya5FVk+2ko11dzv9Y4rwts1SEFaw@mail.gmail.com>	<CAEPJO1iN2WrnJpOi1JOaM2pS4_isLiXspVfXRkP-7=GKY2PeYA@mail.gmail.com>	<CAOY=wE+9s863a_o2oV_HW2UC1SZyNGiupKn+L+btxdx7waH9Sw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAEPJO1gkYHR1+8XCLgS3qNfxwdAEY_y4ROOMH3P+oo7ggfoGdg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <532FA94B.1030704@earthlink.net>

On 2014-03-23 6:07 PM, Arthur Fuller wrote:
> Steve,
>
> Wow, thanks! The file should be up in a day or two. I'll post a message
> when it's there.

At www.artfulsoftware.com/infotree/sqltips.php under the heading 
Microsoft Access, see the note titled "OneNote collection of code tips", 
from which y'all can download the .zip.

PB

------

>
> A.
>
>
> On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 6:16 PM, Steve Erbach <erbachs at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Excellent, Arthur! I actually purchased your MySQL book several years ago.
>>
>>
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Mon Mar 24 03:34:03 2014
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2014 04:34:03 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Malware Attack Hijacks 25,000 Linux/UNIX Servers
In-Reply-To: <001b01cf4707$e19957e0$a4cc07a0$@winhaven.net>
References: <001601cf46f2$bdbc06c0$39341440$@winhaven.net>
	<1188214134.9058356.1395624918595.JavaMail.root@cds018>
	<001b01cf4707$e19957e0$a4cc07a0$@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1jpgPyf1yacXhiuc0s878c=niv7yRaYR9hO0McEmTieyw@mail.gmail.com>

LOL. Windux. I love it. As in "sitting ducks."

Arthur

From marklbreen at gmail.com  Mon Mar 24 04:04:02 2014
From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen)
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2014 09:04:02 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] ReFS on Windows Server 2012 R2 is screaming
In-Reply-To: <023ec7a13f9f4061b1c1c50f5f58b2b9@AMSPR06MB311.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
References: <023ec7a13f9f4061b1c1c50f5f58b2b9@AMSPR06MB311.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
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Hello Gustav,

this is good to know, thank you for the post.




On 22 March 2014 16:20, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Hi all
>
>
>
> We're about setting up new file servers, Windows 2012 R2.
>
> The new ReFS file system and the SMB 3.0 protocol is so fast that it can
> push the network speed over an Intel 1 Gb NIC above 100%. I've never seen
> this before and had to take a screenshot:
>
>
>
> http://1drv.ms/OIg1t8
>
>
>
> The drive is a Constellation server disk on a 6 Gb SATA controller in a
> Fujitsu Primergy T140 S1p Xeon based server.
>
> If you use an SSD drive you may push the reading speed to 100% too.
>
>
>
> If you use NTFS formatting, NIC usage is reduced to about 96%, but
> transfer speed is still beyond 100 MB/s.
>
>
>
> /gustav
>
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From marklbreen at gmail.com  Mon Mar 24 04:10:40 2014
From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen)
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2014 09:10:40 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] XP - What to do Win 7 or Ubuntu
Message-ID: <CAGXtTChnd+=b-OrQM0tMqEeB+S3BhcERvR8m9ahuQfCoC+wp6w@mail.gmail.com>

Hello All,

I have a customer with 8 XP machines in a total of 16 machines.

Options are

1) upgrade to Win 8.1, including a possible RAM upgrade
2) leave xp alone and wait until some problem occurs
3) install Ubuntu.

They only use a browser so Ubuntu would work ok for her.

Given I have only played with Ubuntu and cannot offer deep support, but
cost is a factor for my client, what do you suggest I do.

thanks

Mark

From jon.tydda at lonza.com  Mon Mar 24 04:15:04 2014
From: jon.tydda at lonza.com (Tydda Jon - Lonza Slough)
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2014 09:15:04 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] XP - What to do Win 7 or Ubuntu
In-Reply-To: <CAGXtTChnd+=b-OrQM0tMqEeB+S3BhcERvR8m9ahuQfCoC+wp6w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGXtTChnd+=b-OrQM0tMqEeB+S3BhcERvR8m9ahuQfCoC+wp6w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2372cb9c3e234f1db54d6da5ca30b6b5@CHVEX12.lonzagroup.net>

I don't think that hardware old enough to still be running XP will cope with 8.1 - I'd be looking at doing hardware upgrades at the same time. Fill them with RAM, build them as 64bit, and you won't need to replace them for years.


Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen
Sent: Monday, March 24, 2014 9:11 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] XP - What to do Win 7 or Ubuntu

Hello All,

I have a customer with 8 XP machines in a total of 16 machines.

Options are

1) upgrade to Win 8.1, including a possible RAM upgrade
2) leave xp alone and wait until some problem occurs
3) install Ubuntu.

They only use a browser so Ubuntu would work ok for her.

Given I have only played with Ubuntu and cannot offer deep support, but cost is a factor for my client, what do you suggest I do.

thanks

Mark
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Mon Mar 24 04:32:55 2014
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2014 05:32:55 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] XP - What to do Win 7 or Ubuntu
In-Reply-To: <2372cb9c3e234f1db54d6da5ca30b6b5@CHVEX12.lonzagroup.net>
References: <CAGXtTChnd+=b-OrQM0tMqEeB+S3BhcERvR8m9ahuQfCoC+wp6w@mail.gmail.com>
	<2372cb9c3e234f1db54d6da5ca30b6b5@CHVEX12.lonzagroup.net>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1j4e5va52nCgUx_-4RRD8GczseLh1fmf4uRX1tudxzeoA@mail.gmail.com>

Jon and Mark,

The first question to ask is, How much RAM is available on the client's
machines. Second, Windows 8.1 is actually less demanding of RAM resources
than Win7.

If all your client really needs is a browser, then there's nothing at all
wrong with choosing Ubuntu or Mint, which is a fork of the Ubuntu that some
folks consider prettier. (I run them both as VMs in VirtualBox, just to
keep pace with their releases.)

With either Ubuntu or Mint, should it turn out that you need to run some
Windows-specific program, you can always install WINE and then run your
Windows app inside WINE. That doesn't work with every single Windows app
but certainly does with all the Office apps, including Access apps.

Mark, since you mentioned cost as a significant factor, then I'd choose one
of the Linuxes mentioned. Both include in their installation a browser
(FireFox) and an Office-like suite (by default it's Libre but there are
other choices available too, just not installed automatically. Mark,
perhaps you could do a dry run by installing VirtualBox + a Linux VM on a
laptop or something, then take that to the client's site and give her a
little tour.

The best part about the Linux choice is that everything but your time is
free, without violating any licensing agreements.

Arthur


On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 5:15 AM, Tydda Jon - Lonza Slough <
jon.tydda at lonza.com> wrote:

> I don't think that hardware old enough to still be running XP will cope
> with 8.1 - I'd be looking at doing hardware upgrades at the same time. Fill
> them with RAM, build them as 64bit, and you won't need to replace them for
> years.
>
>
> Jon
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:
> dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen
> Sent: Monday, March 24, 2014 9:11 AM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: [dba-Tech] XP - What to do Win 7 or Ubuntu
>
> Hello All,
>
> I have a customer with 8 XP machines in a total of 16 machines.
>
> Options are
>
> 1) upgrade to Win 8.1, including a possible RAM upgrade
> 2) leave xp alone and wait until some problem occurs
> 3) install Ubuntu.
>
> They only use a browser so Ubuntu would work ok for her.
>
> Given I have only played with Ubuntu and cannot offer deep support, but
> cost is a factor for my client, what do you suggest I do.
>
> thanks
>
> Mark
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-- 
Arthur

From erbachs at gmail.com  Mon Mar 24 09:28:59 2014
From: erbachs at gmail.com (Steve Erbach)
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2014 09:28:59 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Free OneNote
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1gkYHR1+8XCLgS3qNfxwdAEY_y4ROOMH3P+oo7ggfoGdg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1imbaVPekZHaQ-RO37cgd45zLpzqHs19=Ei6HLBESf=ew@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAOY=wE+qcM=fYN1-1r-48zzyTSpzY50h09_YY+ag1y72vtiZPA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAEPJO1jrhGdrR8O1XKLz-qrUs4EC8Ka+C9ZTjkd1Si8a2cVtkg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAOY=wEL2UFcz-xX9QfeMWNy=KRD-JVsHUGjdQDVd8gz9DztF5A@mail.gmail.com>
	<CALGJE97enCq+=mL0cLhoBRya5FVk+2ko11dzv9Y4rwts1SEFaw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAEPJO1iN2WrnJpOi1JOaM2pS4_isLiXspVfXRkP-7=GKY2PeYA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAOY=wE+9s863a_o2oV_HW2UC1SZyNGiupKn+L+btxdx7waH9Sw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAEPJO1gkYHR1+8XCLgS3qNfxwdAEY_y4ROOMH3P+oo7ggfoGdg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAOY=wELSRUgttFpKo4PiiCCj3am2doXwR95X5s1mjft=qGEU7A@mail.gmail.com>

Arthur,

I visited the link that Peter posted last night. Those are very useful
articles! I looked at a couple that I had solved on my own and your
explanations, while matching what I discovered, were very well written and
made it all very clear. I'm making sure to add that link to my list of SQL
resources. Thank you.



On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 6:07 PM, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com>wrote:

> Steve,
>
> Wow, thanks! The file should be up in a day or two. I'll post a message
> when it's there.
>
> A.
>
>
> On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 6:16 PM, Steve Erbach <erbachs at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Excellent, Arthur! I actually purchased your MySQL book several years
> ago.
> >
> >
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Mon Mar 24 09:40:08 2014
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2014 10:40:08 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Free OneNote
In-Reply-To: <CAOY=wELSRUgttFpKo4PiiCCj3am2doXwR95X5s1mjft=qGEU7A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1imbaVPekZHaQ-RO37cgd45zLpzqHs19=Ei6HLBESf=ew@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAOY=wE+qcM=fYN1-1r-48zzyTSpzY50h09_YY+ag1y72vtiZPA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAEPJO1jrhGdrR8O1XKLz-qrUs4EC8Ka+C9ZTjkd1Si8a2cVtkg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAOY=wEL2UFcz-xX9QfeMWNy=KRD-JVsHUGjdQDVd8gz9DztF5A@mail.gmail.com>
	<CALGJE97enCq+=mL0cLhoBRya5FVk+2ko11dzv9Y4rwts1SEFaw@mail.gmail.com>
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	<CAOY=wE+9s863a_o2oV_HW2UC1SZyNGiupKn+L+btxdx7waH9Sw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAEPJO1gkYHR1+8XCLgS3qNfxwdAEY_y4ROOMH3P+oo7ggfoGdg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAOY=wELSRUgttFpKo4PiiCCj3am2doXwR95X5s1mjft=qGEU7A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1gDsebVaZ=S3Eh5ALP4-X3FG=U_LhZS0=bvEf_n_pD6Rw@mail.gmail.com>

Thsnks, Steve! Much appreciated.

A.


On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 10:28 AM, Steve Erbach <erbachs at gmail.com> wrote:

> Arthur,
>
> I visited the link that Peter posted last night. Those are very useful
> articles! I looked at a couple that I had solved on my own and your
> explanations, while matching what I discovered, were very well written and
> made it all very clear. I'm making sure to add that link to my list of SQL
> resources. Thank you.
>
>

From marklbreen at gmail.com  Mon Mar 24 10:45:49 2014
From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen)
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2014 15:45:49 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] XP - What to do Win 7 or Ubuntu
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1j4e5va52nCgUx_-4RRD8GczseLh1fmf4uRX1tudxzeoA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGXtTChnd+=b-OrQM0tMqEeB+S3BhcERvR8m9ahuQfCoC+wp6w@mail.gmail.com>
	<2372cb9c3e234f1db54d6da5ca30b6b5@CHVEX12.lonzagroup.net>
	<CAEPJO1j4e5va52nCgUx_-4RRD8GczseLh1fmf4uRX1tudxzeoA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGXtTCi4ULpX+2Uw3jbO-tvjrOgRnZYZ3MUXOxAhcwfjLes1Dw@mail.gmail.com>

Hello All,

I have suggested to the client to install Ubuntu (or Mint) as a test.

If they like it, then I have two additional tasks, 1) install printer
drivers for the local printers 2) attempt to set up Ubuntu so that it logs
into their windows 2008 server active directory.

Arthur, do you presume that it will be easy enough to get Ubuntu to use the
AD username and passwords?


thanks

Mark





On 24 March 2014 09:32, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com> wrote:

> Jon and Mark,
>
> The first question to ask is, How much RAM is available on the client's
> machines. Second, Windows 8.1 is actually less demanding of RAM resources
> than Win7.
>
> If all your client really needs is a browser, then there's nothing at all
> wrong with choosing Ubuntu or Mint, which is a fork of the Ubuntu that some
> folks consider prettier. (I run them both as VMs in VirtualBox, just to
> keep pace with their releases.)
>
> With either Ubuntu or Mint, should it turn out that you need to run some
> Windows-specific program, you can always install WINE and then run your
> Windows app inside WINE. That doesn't work with every single Windows app
> but certainly does with all the Office apps, including Access apps.
>
> Mark, since you mentioned cost as a significant factor, then I'd choose one
> of the Linuxes mentioned. Both include in their installation a browser
> (FireFox) and an Office-like suite (by default it's Libre but there are
> other choices available too, just not installed automatically. Mark,
> perhaps you could do a dry run by installing VirtualBox + a Linux VM on a
> laptop or something, then take that to the client's site and give her a
> little tour.
>
> The best part about the Linux choice is that everything but your time is
> free, without violating any licensing agreements.
>
> Arthur
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 5:15 AM, Tydda Jon - Lonza Slough <
> jon.tydda at lonza.com> wrote:
>
> > I don't think that hardware old enough to still be running XP will cope
> > with 8.1 - I'd be looking at doing hardware upgrades at the same time.
> Fill
> > them with RAM, build them as 64bit, and you won't need to replace them
> for
> > years.
> >
> >
> > Jon
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:
> > dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Breen
> > Sent: Monday, March 24, 2014 9:11 AM
> > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> > Subject: [dba-Tech] XP - What to do Win 7 or Ubuntu
> >
> > Hello All,
> >
> > I have a customer with 8 XP machines in a total of 16 machines.
> >
> > Options are
> >
> > 1) upgrade to Win 8.1, including a possible RAM upgrade
> > 2) leave xp alone and wait until some problem occurs
> > 3) install Ubuntu.
> >
> > They only use a browser so Ubuntu would work ok for her.
> >
> > Given I have only played with Ubuntu and cannot offer deep support, but
> > cost is a factor for my client, what do you suggest I do.
> >
> > thanks
> >
> > Mark
> > _______________________________________________
> > dba-Tech mailing list
> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
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> > This communication and its attachments, if any, may contain confidential
> > and privileged information the use of which by other persons or entities
> > than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you receive this
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> > in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete the material
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>
>
>
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Mar 24 16:15:06 2014
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2014 15:15:06 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Financial Institutions Migrating from XP to Linux
In-Reply-To: <532FA175.90906@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <395950252.9640806.1395695706540.JavaMail.root@cds018>

Hi Peter and Arthur:

It is finally official, India has converting all its ATMs to a Linux Distro call Boss: http://bosslinux.in

So you can easily download it and test it out on a VD.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Brawley" <peter.brawley at earthlink.net>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2014 8:07:33 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Financial Institutions Migrating from XP to Linux

On 2014-03-23 8:29 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote:
> Hi Arthur:
>
> Good observation. I would expect the use of ATMs in India is only going to go up...a billion people should have three times that of the US...say around a million plus ATMs.

Many don't have bank accounts. Better to compare the size of the middle 
classes?

PB

-----

>
> Aside: Why does a dictatorship like China continues to flourish even after a decade of stellar growth and a democracy like India languishes in the economic cellar. Apparently, democracy is not good for business?
>
> Jim
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Arthur Fuller" <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Sunday, 23 March, 2014 4:21:21 PM
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Financial Institutions Migrating from XP to Linux
>
> Jim,
>
> The thing that caught my eye is that India can make do with a mere 115,000
> ATMs. Given the size of its population, that's a lot of people per ATM. The
> lineups must be lengthy.
>
> A.
>
>
> On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 6:09 PM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
>
>> Hi Arthur:
>>
>> And to add to the list...
>>
>> http://thehackernews.com/2014/03/indian-banks-switching-to-linux-rather.html
>>
>> Jim
>>
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Mar 24 17:15:32 2014
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2014 16:15:32 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] XP - What to do Win 7 or Ubuntu
In-Reply-To: <CAGXtTChnd+=b-OrQM0tMqEeB+S3BhcERvR8m9ahuQfCoC+wp6w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1228037991.9682348.1395699332719.JavaMail.root@cds018>

Hi Mark:

I do not have to say what my recommendation would be. 

For fun, I installed, half of a client's stations (12 out of 20) in Ubuntu version 12.04, a couple of years ago now. They are still using it and are quite happy as it saved them a bundle and now Ubuntu is second nature to them. I have not been at their company for a good six months and I believe they are moving the rest of their desktops over to Linux. (They don't even need my services). 

The one advantage, is that the company's office manager, is a young lady, university graduate and she has no fear of Linux as that environment is what she used at school.

The one concern you may have is that all the applications will not port over or you may not be able to find complementary applications that are as good or better. Let me calm your concerns; it is highly unlikely that you will find yourself caught out.

And further, if you do have issues I will be more than happy to help.

I would recommend that you either setup a virtual drive with the Ubuntu Linux version, (14.04) you are planning on installing or just run up an old beater box and get up to speed on all its features.

Have fun. :-)

Jim 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Breen" <marklbreen at gmail.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, March 24, 2014 2:10:40 AM
Subject: [dba-Tech] XP - What to do Win 7 or Ubuntu

Hello All,

I have a customer with 8 XP machines in a total of 16 machines.

Options are

1) upgrade to Win 8.1, including a possible RAM upgrade
2) leave xp alone and wait until some problem occurs
3) install Ubuntu.

They only use a browser so Ubuntu would work ok for her.

Given I have only played with Ubuntu and cannot offer deep support, but
cost is a factor for my client, what do you suggest I do.

thanks

Mark
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From peter.brawley at earthlink.net  Tue Mar 25 01:13:18 2014
From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley)
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2014 01:13:18 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] nsa
Message-ID: <53311E7E.5080805@earthlink.net>

Does Google's switch to https 
(http://rt.com/news/google-gmail-encryption-nsa-297/) actually protect 
against NSA snooping?

Does TOR?

PB



From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Tue Mar 25 12:15:40 2014
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2014 13:15:40 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Financial Institutions Migrating from XP to Linux
In-Reply-To: <395950252.9640806.1395695706540.JavaMail.root@cds018>
References: <532FA175.90906@earthlink.net>
	<395950252.9640806.1395695706540.JavaMail.root@cds018>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1gNXzCMBSgMBrrn_qyZ6h0t5QNDknG0bh5rU3T3Fo1HBw@mail.gmail.com>

I'm currently downloading Zorin OS, a distro based on Ubuntu that offers
ChangeLook, which changes the look to resemble Windows XP, Vista or Windows
7. Its stated mission is to render the transition as painless as possible
for Windows users, and more specifically XP users wary of the impending
cutoff date for support. You can have a look at:

http://sourceforge.net/projects/zorin-os/

Arthur


From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Mar 25 15:11:21 2014
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2014 14:11:21 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Financial Institutions Migrating from XP to Linux
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1gNXzCMBSgMBrrn_qyZ6h0t5QNDknG0bh5rU3T3Fo1HBw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <472751463.10370856.1395778281935.JavaMail.root@cds018>

Hi Arthur:

Zorin has a nice little feature which places active applications on a cube (called a changer) and then allows you to rotate the cube so any of six applications can easily accessed. I really like it.

http://zorin-os.com

Jim 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Arthur Fuller" <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 10:15:40 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Financial Institutions Migrating from XP to Linux

I'm currently downloading Zorin OS, a distro based on Ubuntu that offers
ChangeLook, which changes the look to resemble Windows XP, Vista or Windows
7. Its stated mission is to render the transition as painless as possible
for Windows users, and more specifically XP users wary of the impending
cutoff date for support. You can have a look at:

http://sourceforge.net/projects/zorin-os/

Arthur

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Mar 25 16:36:19 2014
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2014 15:36:19 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] nsa
In-Reply-To: <53311E7E.5080805@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <5982667.10436721.1395783379446.JavaMail.root@cds018>

Hi Peter:

Yes my thoughts exactly...is this true protection or just a public relation campaign? Hard to say.

TOR is supposed to apply AES-256 encryption to all out going messages and then de-encrypt the messages as they arrive. Unfortunately, the NSA been able to squeeze their "data gathering" in between the user receipt and the de-encryption process. Now TOR has to upgrade so these messages are decrypted, on the receipt station using a much larger range of random keys...this task may have already been accomplished.

The next big security frontier seems to be the upgrading routers/firewalls as the current batch of home and small business systems have terribly flaky and porous software. Much of this can be resolved by first checking to see whether your router brand is compatible and if it is, install some of the excellent OSS software packages. The list is of course substantial which makes it a lengthy process but the addition features can make the operation well worth while: 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_router_and_firewall_distributions

Jim     

----- Original Message -----
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To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, March 24, 2014 11:13:18 PM
Subject: [dba-Tech] nsa

Does Google's switch to https 
(http://rt.com/news/google-gmail-encryption-nsa-297/) actually protect 
against NSA snooping?

Does TOR?

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Mar 25 16:44:32 2014
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2014 15:44:32 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] nsa
In-Reply-To: <53311E7E.5080805@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <1640343169.10441265.1395783872671.JavaMail.root@cds018>

PS here is a small sampling of the most popular Linux OSS router products...there are a number written in various languages, various prices, with different feature sets and support options.

http://www.infoworld.com/d/networking/review-6-slick-open-source-routers-206810?page=0,0

Jim 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Brawley" <peter.brawley at earthlink.net>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, March 24, 2014 11:13:18 PM
Subject: [dba-Tech] nsa

Does Google's switch to https 
(http://rt.com/news/google-gmail-encryption-nsa-297/) actually protect 
against NSA snooping?

Does TOR?

PB


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From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Tue Mar 25 16:46:43 2014
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2014 14:46:43 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] nsa
In-Reply-To: <53311E7E.5080805@earthlink.net>
References: <53311E7E.5080805@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <73A92149-680B-4706-B090-9550A2CDFA33@phulse.com>

> Does Google's switch to https (http://rt.com/news/google-gmail-encryption-nsa-297/) actually protect against NSA snooping?

Yes, unless the NSA has some advanced future tech, like a working quantum computer, then it should? for now. It?s not future proof, because any captured data that the NSA sniffs and stores may one day be crackable. We don?t know how far in the future that is, but it will happen. Presumably by then, we would have even stronger encryption, but that doesn?t help preserve data encrypted with current methods.

> Does TOR?

Mmmmm, not exactly: http://www.zdnet.com/fbi-accused-of-infiltrating-tor-network-to-close-child-abuse-host-7000018962/

- Hans




On Mar 24, 2014, at 11:13 PM, Peter Brawley <peter.brawley at earthlink.net> wrote:

> Does Google's switch to https (http://rt.com/news/google-gmail-encryption-nsa-297/) actually protect against NSA snooping?
> 
> Does TOR?
> 
> PB
> 
> 
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From peter.brawley at earthlink.net  Tue Mar 25 16:48:20 2014
From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley)
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2014 16:48:20 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] nsa
In-Reply-To: <5982667.10436721.1395783379446.JavaMail.root@cds018>
References: <5982667.10436721.1395783379446.JavaMail.root@cds018>
Message-ID: <5331F9A4.4020000@earthlink.net>

On 2014-03-25 4:36 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote:
> Hi Peter:
>
> Yes my thoughts exactly...is this true protection or just a public relation campaign? Hard to say.
>
> TOR is supposed to apply AES-256 encryption to all out going messages and then de-encrypt the messages as they arrive. Unfortunately, the NSA been able to squeeze their "data gathering" in between the user receipt and the de-encryption process. Now TOR has to upgrade so these messages are decrypted, on the receipt station using a much larger range of random keys...this task may have already been accomplished.
>
> The next big security frontier seems to be the upgrading routers/firewalls as the current batch of home and small business systems have terribly flaky and porous software. Much of this can be resolved by first checking to see whether your router brand is compatible and if it is, install some of the excellent OSS software packages. The list is of course substantial which makes it a lengthy process but the addition features can make the operation well worth while:
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_router_and_firewall_distributions

The idea is to put a *Nix box running one of those solutions between my 
NAT router and the rest of my network?

PB


>
> Jim
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Peter Brawley" <peter.brawley at earthlink.net>
> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Monday, March 24, 2014 11:13:18 PM
> Subject: [dba-Tech] nsa
>
> Does Google's switch to https
> (http://rt.com/news/google-gmail-encryption-nsa-297/) actually protect
> against NSA snooping?
>
> Does TOR?
>
> PB
>
>
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From peter.brawley at earthlink.net  Tue Mar 25 23:31:09 2014
From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (Peter Brawley)
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2014 23:31:09 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] nsa
In-Reply-To: <1640343169.10441265.1395783872671.JavaMail.root@cds018>
References: <1640343169.10441265.1395783872671.JavaMail.root@cds018>
Message-ID: <5332580D.6070800@earthlink.net>

On 2014-03-25 4:44 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote:
> PS here is a small sampling of the most popular Linux OSS router products...there are a number written in various languages, various prices, with different feature sets and support options.
>
> http://www.infoworld.com/d/networking/review-6-slick-open-source-routers-206810?page=0,0

Thanks for the heads-up, going to see if I can do a wee bit of catching 
up in this area.

PB

-----

>
> Jim
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Peter Brawley" <peter.brawley at earthlink.net>
> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Monday, March 24, 2014 11:13:18 PM
> Subject: [dba-Tech] nsa
>
> Does Google's switch to https
> (http://rt.com/news/google-gmail-encryption-nsa-297/) actually protect
> against NSA snooping?
>
> Does TOR?
>
> PB
>
>
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Mar 26 16:15:58 2014
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2014 15:15:58 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Facebook has been busy
In-Reply-To: <5331F9A4.4020000@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <960563767.11265950.1395868558161.JavaMail.root@cds018>

Facebook has released a new version of PHP called Hack. It is fully OSS.

http://www.businessinsider.com/facebook-hack-programming-language-2014-3

According to the article; Facebook's New Programming Language ? Hack ? Is A Dream Come True For Engineers

Facebook to buy Oculus virtual reality firm for $2B
http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/facebook-to-buy-oculus-virtual-reality-firm-for-2b-1.2586318

Jim


From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Mar 26 16:19:02 2014
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2014 15:19:02 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Monopolies and how they work
In-Reply-To: <5331F9A4.4020000@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <577198279.11269238.1395868742553.JavaMail.root@cds018>

Maybe no one cares about the hiring practices of big Internet companies as the employees are usually paid very well...but Emails From Google's Eric Schmidt And Sergey Brin Show A Shady Agreement Not To Hire Apple Workers. 

http://www.businessinsider.com/emails-eric-schmidt-sergey-brin-hiring-apple-2014-3

Jim 

From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Wed Mar 26 16:20:38 2014
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2014 14:20:38 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Facebook has been busy
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References: <960563767.11265950.1395868558161.JavaMail.root@cds018>
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> Facebook has released a new version of PHP called Hack. It is fully OSS.


Yeah? as cool as it is, there?s probably not much future for this outside of Facebook?s company. Not many people want to depend their business on an open source project controlled by one company.

> Facebook to buy Oculus virtual reality firm for $2B

And Oculus Rift went from being one of the most desired technologies to one of the least desired technologies.

https://twitter.com/search?q=%40oculus_rift&src=tyah

- Hans


On Mar 26, 2014, at 2:15 PM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> Facebook has released a new version of PHP called Hack. It is fully OSS.
> 
> http://www.businessinsider.com/facebook-hack-programming-language-2014-3
> 
> According to the article; Facebook's New Programming Language ? Hack ? Is A Dream Come True For Engineers
> 
> Facebook to buy Oculus virtual reality firm for $2B
> http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/facebook-to-buy-oculus-virtual-reality-firm-for-2b-1.2586318
> 
> Jim
> 
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From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Wed Mar 26 16:34:16 2014
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2014 01:34:16 +0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?Facebook_has_been_busy?=
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Message-ID: <1395869656.429904071@f56.i.mail.ru>

 It looks like PHP "hacked-up" to C# :)

-- Shamil


Wed, 26 Mar 2014 15:15:58 -0600 (MDT) from Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca>:
>Facebook has released a new version of PHP called Hack. It is fully OSS.
>
>http://www.businessinsider.com/facebook-hack-programming-language-2014-3
>
>According to the article; Facebook's New Programming Language ? Hack ? Is A Dream Come True For Engineers
>
>Facebook to buy Oculus virtual reality firm for $2B
>http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/facebook-to-buy-oculus-virtual-reality-firm-for-2b-1.2586318
>
>Jim
>
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Mar 26 16:57:24 2014
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2014 15:57:24 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Facebook has been busy
In-Reply-To: <0BC49664-A97A-4C44-A52C-DB9C4FE2AD8C@phulse.com>
Message-ID: <1215034884.11300390.1395871044696.JavaMail.root@cds018>

Hi Hans:

Good points there. Not sure where the PHP industry is going but PHP is probably the single largest web developer's market. Whether this new programming language will be adopted is anyone's guess but I would think a very slow level of acceptance.

It is really too bad about Oculus Rift, one of the darlings of the Open Source Startup market and now it has been consumed by a company that has no idea what they have and what to do with it. It is definitely not a good fit. No one I have heard from is amused by the event...sad is a better description.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Hans-Christian Andersen" <hans.andersen at phulse.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, 26 March, 2014 2:20:38 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Facebook has been busy


> Facebook has released a new version of PHP called Hack. It is fully OSS.


Yeah? as cool as it is, there?s probably not much future for this outside of Facebook?s company. Not many people want to depend their business on an open source project controlled by one company.

> Facebook to buy Oculus virtual reality firm for $2B

And Oculus Rift went from being one of the most desired technologies to one of the least desired technologies.

https://twitter.com/search?q=%40oculus_rift&src=tyah

- Hans


On Mar 26, 2014, at 2:15 PM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> Facebook has released a new version of PHP called Hack. It is fully OSS.
> 
> http://www.businessinsider.com/facebook-hack-programming-language-2014-3
> 
> According to the article; Facebook's New Programming Language ? Hack ? Is A Dream Come True For Engineers
> 
> Facebook to buy Oculus virtual reality firm for $2B
> http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/facebook-to-buy-oculus-virtual-reality-firm-for-2b-1.2586318
> 
> Jim
> 
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From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Wed Mar 26 17:58:40 2014
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2014 15:58:40 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Facebook has been busy
In-Reply-To: <1215034884.11300390.1395871044696.JavaMail.root@cds018>
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Not only that, but it could have an impact on the perception and willingness to support projects via Kickstarter. Those who helped Oculus via Kickstarter see themselves as investors. But, they won?t get a dime out of this purchase. So now they feel like suckers and they no longer have any say in terms of the direction of the Oculus Rift. The whole thing stinks.

- Hans


On Mar 26, 2014, at 2:57 PM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> Hi Hans:
> 
> Good points there. Not sure where the PHP industry is going but PHP is probably the single largest web developer's market. Whether this new programming language will be adopted is anyone's guess but I would think a very slow level of acceptance.
> 
> It is really too bad about Oculus Rift, one of the darlings of the Open Source Startup market and now it has been consumed by a company that has no idea what they have and what to do with it. It is definitely not a good fit. No one I have heard from is amused by the event...sad is a better description.
> 
> Jim
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Hans-Christian Andersen" <hans.andersen at phulse.com>
> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, 26 March, 2014 2:20:38 PM
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Facebook has been busy
> 
> 
>> Facebook has released a new version of PHP called Hack. It is fully OSS.
> 
> 
> Yeah? as cool as it is, there?s probably not much future for this outside of Facebook?s company. Not many people want to depend their business on an open source project controlled by one company.
> 
>> Facebook to buy Oculus virtual reality firm for $2B
> 
> And Oculus Rift went from being one of the most desired technologies to one of the least desired technologies.
> 
> https://twitter.com/search?q=%40oculus_rift&src=tyah
> 
> - Hans
> 
> 
> On Mar 26, 2014, at 2:15 PM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
> 
>> Facebook has released a new version of PHP called Hack. It is fully OSS.
>> 
>> http://www.businessinsider.com/facebook-hack-programming-language-2014-3
>> 
>> According to the article; Facebook's New Programming Language ? Hack ? Is A Dream Come True For Engineers
>> 
>> Facebook to buy Oculus virtual reality firm for $2B
>> http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/facebook-to-buy-oculus-virtual-reality-firm-for-2b-1.2586318
>> 
>> Jim
>> 
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From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Wed Mar 26 17:59:48 2014
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2014 15:59:48 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Facebook has been busy
In-Reply-To: <1215034884.11300390.1395871044696.JavaMail.root@cds018>
References: <1215034884.11300390.1395871044696.JavaMail.root@cds018>
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Not only that, but it could have an impact on the perception and willingness to support projects via Kickstarter. Those who helped Oculus via Kickstarter see themselves as investors. But, they won?t get a dime out of this purchase. So now they feel like suckers and they no longer have any say in terms of the direction of the Oculus Rift. The whole thing stinks.

- Hans


On Mar 26, 2014, at 2:57 PM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> Hi Hans:
> 
> Good points there. Not sure where the PHP industry is going but PHP is probably the single largest web developer's market. Whether this new programming language will be adopted is anyone's guess but I would think a very slow level of acceptance.
> 
> It is really too bad about Oculus Rift, one of the darlings of the Open Source Startup market and now it has been consumed by a company that has no idea what they have and what to do with it. It is definitely not a good fit. No one I have heard from is amused by the event...sad is a better description.
> 
> Jim
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Hans-Christian Andersen" <hans.andersen at phulse.com>
> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, 26 March, 2014 2:20:38 PM
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Facebook has been busy
> 
> 
>> Facebook has released a new version of PHP called Hack. It is fully OSS.
> 
> 
> Yeah? as cool as it is, there?s probably not much future for this outside of Facebook?s company. Not many people want to depend their business on an open source project controlled by one company.
> 
>> Facebook to buy Oculus virtual reality firm for $2B
> 
> And Oculus Rift went from being one of the most desired technologies to one of the least desired technologies.
> 
> https://twitter.com/search?q=%40oculus_rift&src=tyah
> 
> - Hans
> 
> 
> On Mar 26, 2014, at 2:15 PM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
> 
>> Facebook has released a new version of PHP called Hack. It is fully OSS.
>> 
>> http://www.businessinsider.com/facebook-hack-programming-language-2014-3
>> 
>> According to the article; Facebook's New Programming Language ? Hack ? Is A Dream Come True For Engineers
>> 
>> Facebook to buy Oculus virtual reality firm for $2B
>> http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/facebook-to-buy-oculus-virtual-reality-firm-for-2b-1.2586318
>> 
>> Jim
>> 
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From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Thu Mar 27 04:50:16 2014
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2014 02:50:16 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Facebook has been busy
In-Reply-To: <1395869656.429904071@f56.i.mail.ru>
References: <5331F9A4.4020000@earthlink.net>
	<960563767.11265950.1395868558161.JavaMail.root@cds018>
	<1395869656.429904071@f56.i.mail.ru>
Message-ID: <5A7AC0FD-34AB-49F8-B2CB-C568717059AD@phulse.com>

PHP was originally developed as a language for the web. C# was not. So it is unlikely PHP and C# will ever share common strengths (nor should they).

- Hans


On Mar 26, 2014, at 2:34 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil <mcp2004 at mail.ru> wrote:

> It looks like PHP "hacked-up" to C# :)
> 
> -- Shamil
> 
> 
> Wed, 26 Mar 2014 15:15:58 -0600 (MDT) from Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca>:
>> Facebook has released a new version of PHP called Hack. It is fully OSS.
>> 
>> http://www.businessinsider.com/facebook-hack-programming-language-2014-3
>> 
>> According to the article; Facebook's New Programming Language ? Hack ? Is A Dream Come True For Engineers
>> 
>> Facebook to buy Oculus virtual reality firm for $2B
>> http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/facebook-to-buy-oculus-virtual-reality-firm-for-2b-1.2586318
>> 
>> Jim
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
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>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
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>> 
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Thu Mar 27 05:44:41 2014
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2014 06:44:41 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Facebook has been busy
In-Reply-To: <5A7AC0FD-34AB-49F8-B2CB-C568717059AD@phulse.com>
References: <5331F9A4.4020000@earthlink.net>
	<960563767.11265950.1395868558161.JavaMail.root@cds018>
	<1395869656.429904071@f56.i.mail.ru>
	<5A7AC0FD-34AB-49F8-B2CB-C568717059AD@phulse.com>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1g=rLRHVBas86G59Kyyfa9n70bBs=LdyOY2nsZyvz=01w@mail.gmail.com>

Not that it's a problem for me, but I did notice that Hack is available
only for Linux.

Arthur


From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Thu Mar 27 10:03:53 2014
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2014 19:03:53 +0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?Facebook_has_been_busy?=
In-Reply-To: <5A7AC0FD-34AB-49F8-B2CB-C568717059AD@phulse.com>
References: <5331F9A4.4020000@earthlink.net>
	<1395869656.429904071@f56.i.mail.ru>
	<5A7AC0FD-34AB-49F8-B2CB-C568717059AD@phulse.com>
Message-ID: <1395932633.324070800@f57.i.mail.ru>

 Hi Hans --

Thank you ?I know.

But check the Hack syntax. Hack and C#?do share common programming language strengths AFAIS. ?Actually Hack borrows *verbatim* quite a few C# language features. And C# (after its first release mainly based on Java and C/C++) borrowed quite a few language features ?from VB(/NET), Python, JavaScript and Ruby. But C# borrowing was mainly conceptual not verbatim.

-- Shamil

Thu, 27 Mar 2014 02:50:16 -0700 from Hans-Christian Andersen <hans.andersen at phulse.com>:
>PHP was originally developed as a language for the web. C# was not. So it is unlikely PHP and C# will ever share common strengths (nor should they).
>
>- Hans
>
>
>On Mar 26, 2014, at 2:34 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil < mcp2004 at mail.ru > wrote:
>
>> It looks like PHP "hacked-up" to C# :)
>> 
>> -- Shamil
>> 
>> 
>> Wed, 26 Mar 2014 15:15:58 -0600 (MDT) from Jim Lawrence < accessd at shaw.ca >:
>>> Facebook has released a new version of PHP called Hack. It is fully OSS.
>>> 
>>>  http://www.businessinsider.com/facebook-hack-programming-language-2014-3
>>> 
>>> According to the article; Facebook's New Programming Language ? Hack ? Is A Dream Come True For Engineers
>>> 
>>> Facebook to buy Oculus virtual reality firm for $2B
>>>  http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/facebook-to-buy-oculus-virtual-reality-firm-for-2b-1.2586318
>>> 
>>> Jim
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>  http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
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>> 
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From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Thu Mar 27 10:36:02 2014
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2014 19:36:02 +0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?MS_DOS_1=2E1=2C_MS_DOS_2=2E_0_and_MS_Word_fo?=
 =?utf-8?q?r_Windows_1=2E1_source_code_is_opened_for_public?=
Message-ID: <1395934562.226006782@f57.i.mail.ru>

 Hi All --

FYI: ?" Computer History Museum Makes Historic MS-DOS and Word for Windows Source Code Available to the Public"

http://www.computerhistory.org/press/ms-source-code.html


-- 
???????????? ??????

From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Mar 27 10:39:33 2014
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2014 09:39:33 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] MS DOS 1.1,
 MS DOS 2. 0 and MS Word for Windows 1.1 source code is opened for
 public
In-Reply-To: <1395934562.226006782@f57.i.mail.ru>
Message-ID: <208137186.11801621.1395934773502.JavaMail.root@cds018>

Hi Shamil:

That is very interesting. I wonder how much of the core source code still resided in the current version of Word?

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" <mcp2004 at mail.ru>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, 27 March, 2014 8:36:02 AM
Subject: [dba-Tech] MS DOS 1.1, MS DOS 2. 0 and MS Word for Windows 1.1 source code is opened for public

 Hi All --

FYI: ?" Computer History Museum Makes Historic MS-DOS and Word for Windows Source Code Available to the Public"

http://www.computerhistory.org/press/ms-source-code.html


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From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Mar 27 10:52:47 2014
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2014 09:52:47 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Facebook has been busy
In-Reply-To: <5A7AC0FD-34AB-49F8-B2CB-C568717059AD@phulse.com>
Message-ID: <950971759.11815856.1395935567221.JavaMail.root@cds018>

Hi Hans:

That would not be unusual. Petty larceny in the computer business is standard fair. C# undoubtedly stole their concepts from their contemporaries and predecessors. If there is one or two real unique improvements in any one language it is considered revolutionary. The best just steal the most. ;-)

This axiom describes the most successful: "Never in human conflict, has so few stole so much from so many..."

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Hans-Christian Andersen" <hans.andersen at phulse.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, 27 March, 2014 2:50:16 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Facebook has been busy

PHP was originally developed as a language for the web. C# was not. So it is unlikely PHP and C# will ever share common strengths (nor should they).

- Hans


On Mar 26, 2014, at 2:34 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil <mcp2004 at mail.ru> wrote:

> It looks like PHP "hacked-up" to C# :)
> 
> -- Shamil
> 
> 
> Wed, 26 Mar 2014 15:15:58 -0600 (MDT) from Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca>:
>> Facebook has released a new version of PHP called Hack. It is fully OSS.
>> 
>> http://www.businessinsider.com/facebook-hack-programming-language-2014-3
>> 
>> According to the article; Facebook's New Programming Language ? Hack ? Is A Dream Come True For Engineers
>> 
>> Facebook to buy Oculus virtual reality firm for $2B
>> http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/facebook-to-buy-oculus-virtual-reality-firm-for-2b-1.2586318
>> 
>> Jim
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> dba-Tech mailing list
>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>> Website:  http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Mar 27 11:08:55 2014
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2014 10:08:55 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Facebook has been busy
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1g=rLRHVBas86G59Kyyfa9n70bBs=LdyOY2nsZyvz=01w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1422186225.11834423.1395936535780.JavaMail.root@cds018>

Hi Arthur:

No surprising really. Facebook is a very large open source using, web company. Companies in this category are unlikely to be anything other than Linux.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Arthur Fuller" <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, 27 March, 2014 3:44:41 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Facebook has been busy

Not that it's a problem for me, but I did notice that Hack is available
only for Linux.

Arthur

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From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Thu Mar 27 11:22:59 2014
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2014 20:22:59 +0400
Subject: [dba-Tech]
 =?utf-8?q?MS_DOS_1=2E1=2C_MS_DOS_2=2E_0_and_MS_Word_fo?=
 =?utf-8?q?r_Windows_1=2E1_source_code_is_opened_for_public?=
In-Reply-To: <208137186.11801621.1395934773502.JavaMail.root@cds018>
References: <1395934562.226006782@f57.i.mail.ru>
	<208137186.11801621.1395934773502.JavaMail.root@cds018>
Message-ID: <1395937379.192694665@f302.i.mail.ru>

 Hi Jim --

Microsoft is known to have their (MS Office pack - MS Access, MS Word, MS Excel, ...) software rewritten completely from scratch several times. I doubt there are any "remainings" of MS Word for Windows 1.1 in MS Word 2013. And AFAIU MS Word 2013 has two rather different implementations:

- desktop (C/C++, assembler ?) and 
- web (HTML, CSS, JavaScript on client side, C/C+, ... on server side)

-- Shamil


Thu, 27 Mar 2014 09:39:33 -0600 (MDT) from Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca>:
>Hi Shamil:
>
>That is very interesting. I wonder how much of the core source code still resided in the current version of Word?
>
>Jim
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" < mcp2004 at mail.ru >
>To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" < dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com >
>Sent: Thursday, 27 March, 2014 8:36:02 AM
>Subject: [dba-Tech] MS DOS 1.1, MS DOS 2. 0 and MS Word for Windows 1.1 source code is opened for public
>
>?Hi All --
>
>FYI: ?" Computer History Museum Makes Historic MS-DOS and Word for Windows Source Code Available to the Public"
>
>http://www.computerhistory.org/press/ms-source-code.html
>
>
>-- 
>???????????? ??????

From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Mar 27 12:43:00 2014
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2014 11:43:00 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] MS DOS 1.1,
 MS DOS 2. 0 and MS Word for Windows 1.1 source code is opened for
 public
In-Reply-To: <1395937379.192694665@f302.i.mail.ru>
Message-ID: <466993520.11936913.1395942180063.JavaMail.root@cds018>

Hi Shamil:

That would make sense of course but I am sure we both know from experience with coding all major applications are like the human genome...filled with previous iterations...some commented out, some orphaned (with no direct calls) and some ancient code still being used.    

Aside: I posted an article a while back on an insider's view of the development work at Microsoft where it is more cost effective to just comment out old code and re-write a new feature as the expense in time and money for a programmer to try and figure what a previous developer did is too time-consuming. Of course the previous code can not be deleted as there is no way to know for sure whether it resolved some yet forgotten problem. (Never remove a fence until why it was placed there is fully known.)

This is one of the problems with MS Access. The initial code was brilliant but as in all significant coding there is errors to be fixed. The original developers are probably either no longer with the company or are working on different projects, so errors persist for decades. The latest improvement(?) of MS Access are mostly cosmetic and it seems that no one really wants or can to fix the real issues...it would take a good programmer years to get up to speed in the product. AFAIS, it has been decided to just slowly abandon it but first ring out every last cent before its dumped. The reasons for allowing a major product to slowly disappear is less about supplying clients with what they need and more about protecting a revenue stream and being able to block competition from being able to easy fill that need.  

IMHO, this is one of the faults of any major proprietary coded applications...so few understand or can even view the code, that if the original team of developers are not longer available, the product languishes. Only continuous peer review of large scale applications keeps them fresh, current and bug free.

Jim    
 
----- Original Message -----
From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" <mcp2004 at mail.ru>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, 27 March, 2014 9:22:59 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] MS DOS 1.1, MS DOS 2. 0 and MS Word for Windows 1.1 source code is opened for public

 Hi Jim --

Microsoft is known to have their (MS Office pack - MS Access, MS Word, MS Excel, ...) software rewritten completely from scratch several times. I doubt there are any "remainings" of MS Word for Windows 1.1 in MS Word 2013. And AFAIU MS Word 2013 has two rather different implementations:

- desktop (C/C++, assembler ?) and 
- web (HTML, CSS, JavaScript on client side, C/C+, ... on server side)

-- Shamil


Thu, 27 Mar 2014 09:39:33 -0600 (MDT) from Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca>:
>Hi Shamil:
>
>That is very interesting. I wonder how much of the core source code still resided in the current version of Word?
>
>Jim
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" < mcp2004 at mail.ru >
>To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" < dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com >
>Sent: Thursday, 27 March, 2014 8:36:02 AM
>Subject: [dba-Tech] MS DOS 1.1, MS DOS 2. 0 and MS Word for Windows 1.1 source code is opened for public
>
>?Hi All --
>
>FYI: ?" Computer History Museum Makes Historic MS-DOS and Word for Windows Source Code Available to the Public"
>
>http://www.computerhistory.org/press/ms-source-code.html
>
>
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Thu Mar 27 16:22:39 2014
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2014 17:22:39 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Facebook has been busy
In-Reply-To: <1422186225.11834423.1395936535780.JavaMail.root@cds018>
References: <CAEPJO1g=rLRHVBas86G59Kyyfa9n70bBs=LdyOY2nsZyvz=01w@mail.gmail.com>
	<1422186225.11834423.1395936535780.JavaMail.root@cds018>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1g_vpr2a5ik1J5cCGnd5YJCqKcbCBfmdSeWTn2Y-nK1hA@mail.gmail.com>

As I wrote, Jim, no problem for me and you, since we are both acquainted
with Linux. Bur so far I am not prepared to commit. I shall check it out in
a VM and then decide.

I think that you and I tend toward similar paths: a) retired, and hence
free from OS-obligations; b) looking for no-cost solutions plus easy
transitions from Win* to *nix solutions. We're most of the way there; the
Base db remains problematic but I'm working on this, in my off-hours. No
solutions in hand yet, but I'm gerring closer.


On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 12:08 PM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> Hi Arthur:
>
> No surprising really. Facebook is a very large open source using, web
> company. Companies in this category are unlikely to be anything other than
> Linux.
>
> Jim
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Arthur Fuller" <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <
> dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Thursday, 27 March, 2014 3:44:41 AM
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Facebook has been busy
>
> Not that it's a problem for me, but I did notice that Hack is available
> only for Linux.
>
> Arthur
>
> _______________________________________________
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-- 
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From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Thu Mar 27 16:41:12 2014
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2014 14:41:12 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Facebook has been busy
In-Reply-To: <1395932633.324070800@f57.i.mail.ru>
References: <5331F9A4.4020000@earthlink.net>
	<1395869656.429904071@f56.i.mail.ru>
	<5A7AC0FD-34AB-49F8-B2CB-C568717059AD@phulse.com>
	<1395932633.324070800@f57.i.mail.ru>
Message-ID: <5BA4A913-EC21-4CE3-916F-9FFA4C96F312@phulse.com>


It would seem more likely to me that the developers at Facebook looked at a broad spectrum of languages: D, Erlang, Haskell, C-languages (C/C++/C#) and Python (which is probably the biggest influence).

- Hans


On Mar 27, 2014, at 8:03 AM, Salakhetdinov Shamil <mcp2004 at mail.ru> wrote:

> Hi Hans --
> 
> Thank you  I know.
> 
> But check the Hack syntax. Hack and C# do share common programming language strengths AFAIS.  Actually Hack borrows *verbatim* quite a few C# language features. And C# (after its first release mainly based on Java and C/C++) borrowed quite a few language features  from VB(/NET), Python, JavaScript and Ruby. But C# borrowing was mainly conceptual not verbatim.
> 
> -- Shamil
> 
> Thu, 27 Mar 2014 02:50:16 -0700 from Hans-Christian Andersen <hans.andersen at phulse.com>:
>> PHP was originally developed as a language for the web. C# was not. So it is unlikely PHP and C# will ever share common strengths (nor should they).
>> 
>> - Hans
>> 
>> 
>> On Mar 26, 2014, at 2:34 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil < mcp2004 at mail.ru > wrote:
>> 
>>> It looks like PHP "hacked-up" to C# :)
>>> 
>>> -- Shamil
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Wed, 26 Mar 2014 15:15:58 -0600 (MDT) from Jim Lawrence < accessd at shaw.ca >:
>>>> Facebook has released a new version of PHP called Hack. It is fully OSS.
>>>> 
>>>> http://www.businessinsider.com/facebook-hack-programming-language-2014-3
>>>> 
>>>> According to the article; Facebook's New Programming Language ? Hack ? Is A Dream Come True For Engineers
>>>> 
>>>> Facebook to buy Oculus virtual reality firm for $2B
>>>> http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/facebook-to-buy-oculus-virtual-reality-firm-for-2b-1.2586318
>>>> 
>>>> Jim
>>>> 
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> dba-Tech mailing list
>>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>>>> Website:  http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> dba-Tech mailing list
>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>>> Website:  http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
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>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
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> 
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From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Thu Mar 27 16:42:09 2014
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2014 14:42:09 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Facebook has been busy
In-Reply-To: <1395932633.324070800@f57.i.mail.ru>
References: <5331F9A4.4020000@earthlink.net>
	<1395869656.429904071@f56.i.mail.ru>
	<5A7AC0FD-34AB-49F8-B2CB-C568717059AD@phulse.com>
	<1395932633.324070800@f57.i.mail.ru>
Message-ID: <4701EDA5-A30E-4EF2-8A14-101B777FFA11@phulse.com>

Oh, and did I forget Go? Yes, Go as well. Definitely Go.

- Hans


On Mar 27, 2014, at 8:03 AM, Salakhetdinov Shamil <mcp2004 at mail.ru> wrote:

> Hi Hans --
> 
> Thank you  I know.
> 
> But check the Hack syntax. Hack and C# do share common programming language strengths AFAIS.  Actually Hack borrows *verbatim* quite a few C# language features. And C# (after its first release mainly based on Java and C/C++) borrowed quite a few language features  from VB(/NET), Python, JavaScript and Ruby. But C# borrowing was mainly conceptual not verbatim.
> 
> -- Shamil
> 
> Thu, 27 Mar 2014 02:50:16 -0700 from Hans-Christian Andersen <hans.andersen at phulse.com>:
>> PHP was originally developed as a language for the web. C# was not. So it is unlikely PHP and C# will ever share common strengths (nor should they).
>> 
>> - Hans
>> 
>> 
>> On Mar 26, 2014, at 2:34 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil < mcp2004 at mail.ru > wrote:
>> 
>>> It looks like PHP "hacked-up" to C# :)
>>> 
>>> -- Shamil
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Wed, 26 Mar 2014 15:15:58 -0600 (MDT) from Jim Lawrence < accessd at shaw.ca >:
>>>> Facebook has released a new version of PHP called Hack. It is fully OSS.
>>>> 
>>>> http://www.businessinsider.com/facebook-hack-programming-language-2014-3
>>>> 
>>>> According to the article; Facebook's New Programming Language ? Hack ? Is A Dream Come True For Engineers
>>>> 
>>>> Facebook to buy Oculus virtual reality firm for $2B
>>>> http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/facebook-to-buy-oculus-virtual-reality-firm-for-2b-1.2586318
>>>> 
>>>> Jim
>>>> 
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> dba-Tech mailing list
>>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>>>> Website:  http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
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>> 
>> 
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From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Thu Mar 27 16:44:33 2014
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2014 14:44:33 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Facebook has been busy
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1g_vpr2a5ik1J5cCGnd5YJCqKcbCBfmdSeWTn2Y-nK1hA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1g=rLRHVBas86G59Kyyfa9n70bBs=LdyOY2nsZyvz=01w@mail.gmail.com>
	<1422186225.11834423.1395936535780.JavaMail.root@cds018>
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Message-ID: <CBE30D15-9624-44FB-B62A-D84AB54128D7@phulse.com>


Most open source projects and programming languages are more focused on Linux, because that is the dominant server platform these days.

- Hans



On Mar 27, 2014, at 2:22 PM, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com> wrote:

> As I wrote, Jim, no problem for me and you, since we are both acquainted
> with Linux. Bur so far I am not prepared to commit. I shall check it out in
> a VM and then decide.
> 
> I think that you and I tend toward similar paths: a) retired, and hence
> free from OS-obligations; b) looking for no-cost solutions plus easy
> transitions from Win* to *nix solutions. We're most of the way there; the
> Base db remains problematic but I'm working on this, in my off-hours. No
> solutions in hand yet, but I'm gerring closer.
> 
> 
> On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 12:08 PM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
> 
>> Hi Arthur:
>> 
>> No surprising really. Facebook is a very large open source using, web
>> company. Companies in this category are unlikely to be anything other than
>> Linux.
>> 
>> Jim
>> 
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Arthur Fuller" <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
>> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <
>> dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, 27 March, 2014 3:44:41 AM
>> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Facebook has been busy
>> 
>> Not that it's a problem for me, but I did notice that Hack is available
>> only for Linux.
>> 
>> Arthur
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Mar 28 22:30:00 2014
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2014 21:30:00 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Facebook has been busy
In-Reply-To: <4701EDA5-A30E-4EF2-8A14-101B777FFA11@phulse.com>
Message-ID: <1409118466.13136827.1396063800909.JavaMail.root@cds018>

Hi Hans:

The GO language, according to an article I was reading, it is Cloud centric. I suspect, like the game GO is described; "A moment to learn, a lifetime to master". ;-)

http://golang.org

Jim  

----- Original Message -----
From: "Hans-Christian Andersen" <hans.andersen at phulse.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2014 2:42:09 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Facebook has been busy

Oh, and did I forget Go? Yes, Go as well. Definitely Go.

- Hans


On Mar 27, 2014, at 8:03 AM, Salakhetdinov Shamil <mcp2004 at mail.ru> wrote:

> Hi Hans --
> 
> Thank you  I know.
> 
> But check the Hack syntax. Hack and C# do share common programming language strengths AFAIS.  Actually Hack borrows *verbatim* quite a few C# language features. And C# (after its first release mainly based on Java and C/C++) borrowed quite a few language features  from VB(/NET), Python, JavaScript and Ruby. But C# borrowing was mainly conceptual not verbatim.
> 
> -- Shamil
> 
> Thu, 27 Mar 2014 02:50:16 -0700 from Hans-Christian Andersen <hans.andersen at phulse.com>:
>> PHP was originally developed as a language for the web. C# was not. So it is unlikely PHP and C# will ever share common strengths (nor should they).
>> 
>> - Hans
>> 
>> 
>> On Mar 26, 2014, at 2:34 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil < mcp2004 at mail.ru > wrote:
>> 
>>> It looks like PHP "hacked-up" to C# :)
>>> 
>>> -- Shamil
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Wed, 26 Mar 2014 15:15:58 -0600 (MDT) from Jim Lawrence < accessd at shaw.ca >:
>>>> Facebook has released a new version of PHP called Hack. It is fully OSS.
>>>> 
>>>> http://www.businessinsider.com/facebook-hack-programming-language-2014-3
>>>> 
>>>> According to the article; Facebook's New Programming Language ? Hack ? Is A Dream Come True For Engineers
>>>> 
>>>> Facebook to buy Oculus virtual reality firm for $2B
>>>> http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/facebook-to-buy-oculus-virtual-reality-firm-for-2b-1.2586318
>>>> 
>>>> Jim
>>>> 
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sat Mar 29 00:36:41 2014
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2014 23:36:41 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] A new graphic proposed
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1g_vpr2a5ik1J5cCGnd5YJCqKcbCBfmdSeWTn2Y-nK1hA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <203954343.13171080.1396071401401.JavaMail.root@cds018>

Along with the new graphic format GYF (jiffy) which will replace the tired old GIF format here is a new entry from Google labs:

http://www.cnet.com/news/google-speeds-webp-image-format-brings-animation-support-to-chrome

Jim

From accessd at shaw.ca  Sat Mar 29 00:41:37 2014
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2014 23:41:37 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] An enhancement to F#
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1g_vpr2a5ik1J5cCGnd5YJCqKcbCBfmdSeWTn2Y-nK1hA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <565625864.13172367.1396071697393.JavaMail.root@cds018>

FOQ is a new language written in F# emulates C# and it is OSS.

http://www.trelford.com/blog/post/foqnu.aspx

Wonders never cease.

Jim


 

From accessd at shaw.ca  Sat Mar 29 00:48:13 2014
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2014 23:48:13 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Docker
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1g_vpr2a5ik1J5cCGnd5YJCqKcbCBfmdSeWTn2Y-nK1hA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <558791741.13173893.1396072093569.JavaMail.root@cds018>

For those active in the business you should be taking a serious look at Docker if you have not already done so. This application promises to replace the need for virtualization. Here is a quick overview on what Docker really is.

http://www.infoworld.com/t/application-virtualization/dockers-red-hot-application-portability-solution-238918

...and...

https://www.docker.io

It is of course an OSS package that work with and is the cloud. It does require 64 bit hardware but so far that seems to be its only limitations.

Jim  

From accessd at shaw.ca  Sat Mar 29 01:02:25 2014
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2014 00:02:25 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] How important is Open Source?
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1g_vpr2a5ik1J5cCGnd5YJCqKcbCBfmdSeWTn2Y-nK1hA@mail.gmail.com>
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How important is OSS to the world of computer advancements.

That is an interesting question but according to some (most) no major programming development would have happened without it. OSS is simply the driving force behind everything we have in the computer world; the internet and the Cloud, most servers, all super computers and so on. 

It was said here that a large successful Open Source company like RedHat will never happen again but also large database and software development companies like Oracle and Microsoft will near happen again. Times have changed and there will be no self contained computer companies any more. These large companies will (may) continue to exist in the future but their offerings will be mostly those of services built upon huge mashups of Open Source software.

http://www.zdnet.com/it-takes-an-open-source-village-to-make-commercial-software-7000027749

Is this good or bad? ...I do not know but companies utilizing OSS will continue to flourish.

Jim     

From accessd at shaw.ca  Sat Mar 29 01:03:51 2014
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2014 00:03:51 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] More on FOQ
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1g_vpr2a5ik1J5cCGnd5YJCqKcbCBfmdSeWTn2Y-nK1hA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1106639001.13176842.1396073031378.JavaMail.root@cds018>

Here is more on the OSS emulation of C#.

http://foq.codeplex.com

Jim

From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Sat Mar 29 01:10:00 2014
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2014 23:10:00 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Facebook has been busy
In-Reply-To: <1409118466.13136827.1396063800909.JavaMail.root@cds018>
References: <1409118466.13136827.1396063800909.JavaMail.root@cds018>
Message-ID: <9BC92CFC-DF4C-4CAC-96A8-3F6F5B62287C@phulse.com>

That's why it's going to be my next language to learn. It's currently taking the web dev world by a storm.

- Hans


> On Mar 28, 2014, at 8:30 PM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
> 
> Hi Hans:
> 
> The GO language, according to an article I was reading, it is Cloud centric. I suspect, like the game GO is described; "A moment to learn, a lifetime to master". ;-)
> 
> http://golang.org
> 
> Jim  
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Hans-Christian Andersen" <hans.andersen at phulse.com>
> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2014 2:42:09 PM
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Facebook has been busy
> 
> Oh, and did I forget Go? Yes, Go as well. Definitely Go.
> 
> - Hans
> 
> 
>> On Mar 27, 2014, at 8:03 AM, Salakhetdinov Shamil <mcp2004 at mail.ru> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Hans --
>> 
>> Thank you  I know.
>> 
>> But check the Hack syntax. Hack and C# do share common programming language strengths AFAIS.  Actually Hack borrows *verbatim* quite a few C# language features. And C# (after its first release mainly based on Java and C/C++) borrowed quite a few language features  from VB(/NET), Python, JavaScript and Ruby. But C# borrowing was mainly conceptual not verbatim.
>> 
>> -- Shamil
>> 
>> Thu, 27 Mar 2014 02:50:16 -0700 from Hans-Christian Andersen <hans.andersen at phulse.com>:
>>> PHP was originally developed as a language for the web. C# was not. So it is unlikely PHP and C# will ever share common strengths (nor should they).
>>> 
>>> - Hans
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Mar 26, 2014, at 2:34 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil < mcp2004 at mail.ru > wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> It looks like PHP "hacked-up" to C# :)
>>>> 
>>>> -- Shamil
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Wed, 26 Mar 2014 15:15:58 -0600 (MDT) from Jim Lawrence < accessd at shaw.ca >:
>>>>> Facebook has released a new version of PHP called Hack. It is fully OSS.
>>>>> 
>>>>> http://www.businessinsider.com/facebook-hack-programming-language-2014-3
>>>>> 
>>>>> According to the article; Facebook's New Programming Language ? Hack ? Is A Dream Come True For Engineers
>>>>> 
>>>>> Facebook to buy Oculus virtual reality firm for $2B
>>>>> http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/facebook-to-buy-oculus-virtual-reality-firm-for-2b-1.2586318
>>>>> 
>>>>> Jim
>>>>> 
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> dba-Tech mailing list
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>>>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>>>>> Website:  http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>>>> 
>>>> 
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sat Mar 29 01:25:33 2014
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2014 00:25:33 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Jules Vern may have been right
In-Reply-To: <9BC92CFC-DF4C-4CAC-96A8-3F6F5B62287C@phulse.com>
Message-ID: <268746204.13180528.1396074333444.JavaMail.root@cds018>

Everyone knows that Jules Verne, though he predicted many of today's realities, was way off, in his fanciful book called "A Journey to the Center of the Earth". In this book he described huge oceans of water that spanned the globe. He was of course completely wrong but...

New discoveries suggest that there may be more "hydroxide" water, at a depth of 400 to 700 km beneath the surface. That is quite a depth considering that the deepest mine is about 4 kilometers and the deepest well ever drilled is somewhere around 12 kilometers. But this region may have more water available than all the known water, on the surface.    

The implications of this discovery could open far reach possibilities...

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/03/140312150229.htm

Jim   

From accessd at shaw.ca  Sat Mar 29 01:29:09 2014
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2014 00:29:09 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Facebook has been busy
In-Reply-To: <9BC92CFC-DF4C-4CAC-96A8-3F6F5B62287C@phulse.com>
Message-ID: <1590436973.13180910.1396074549588.JavaMail.root@cds018>

Hi Hans:

Have you watched this video?

http://vimeo.com/69237265

Jim


----- Original Message -----
From: "Hans-Christian Andersen" <hans.andersen at phulse.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, 28 March, 2014 11:10:00 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Facebook has been busy

That's why it's going to be my next language to learn. It's currently taking the web dev world by a storm.

- Hans


> On Mar 28, 2014, at 8:30 PM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
> 
> Hi Hans:
> 
> The GO language, according to an article I was reading, it is Cloud centric. I suspect, like the game GO is described; "A moment to learn, a lifetime to master". ;-)
> 
> http://golang.org
> 
> Jim  
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Hans-Christian Andersen" <hans.andersen at phulse.com>
> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2014 2:42:09 PM
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Facebook has been busy
> 
> Oh, and did I forget Go? Yes, Go as well. Definitely Go.
> 
> - Hans
> 
> 
>> On Mar 27, 2014, at 8:03 AM, Salakhetdinov Shamil <mcp2004 at mail.ru> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Hans --
>> 
>> Thank you  I know.
>> 
>> But check the Hack syntax. Hack and C# do share common programming language strengths AFAIS.  Actually Hack borrows *verbatim* quite a few C# language features. And C# (after its first release mainly based on Java and C/C++) borrowed quite a few language features  from VB(/NET), Python, JavaScript and Ruby. But C# borrowing was mainly conceptual not verbatim.
>> 
>> -- Shamil
>> 
>> Thu, 27 Mar 2014 02:50:16 -0700 from Hans-Christian Andersen <hans.andersen at phulse.com>:
>>> PHP was originally developed as a language for the web. C# was not. So it is unlikely PHP and C# will ever share common strengths (nor should they).
>>> 
>>> - Hans
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Mar 26, 2014, at 2:34 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil < mcp2004 at mail.ru > wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> It looks like PHP "hacked-up" to C# :)
>>>> 
>>>> -- Shamil
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Wed, 26 Mar 2014 15:15:58 -0600 (MDT) from Jim Lawrence < accessd at shaw.ca >:
>>>>> Facebook has released a new version of PHP called Hack. It is fully OSS.
>>>>> 
>>>>> http://www.businessinsider.com/facebook-hack-programming-language-2014-3
>>>>> 
>>>>> According to the article; Facebook's New Programming Language ? Hack ? Is A Dream Come True For Engineers
>>>>> 
>>>>> Facebook to buy Oculus virtual reality firm for $2B
>>>>> http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/facebook-to-buy-oculus-virtual-reality-firm-for-2b-1.2586318
>>>>> 
>>>>> Jim
>>>>> 
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> dba-Tech mailing list
>>>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>>>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>>>>> Website:  http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>>>> 
>>>> 
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From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Sat Mar 29 02:34:08 2014
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2014 11:34:08 +0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?PDF_to_EPUB_converters=2C_free_or_paid_but_p?=
 =?utf-8?q?roven_to_work_well_by_your_own_experience?=
Message-ID: <1396078448.341833568@f382.i.mail.ru>


Hi All --

I'm looking for subj.?So far I have tested:

- Calibre -? http://calibre-ebook.com/ ?- created garbage output;

- PDFMate ( http://www.pdfmate.com/ ?Free) - GPF-ed;

- EPUB Converter 9.2.1 - AniceSoft - uses Calibre internally?

- Ebook to EPUB PDF AZW Converter 6.2.2 EPUBSOFT -?uses Calibre internally?

Do you know any good PDF to EPUB converters?

Thank you.

-- 
???????????? ??????

From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Sat Mar 29 06:16:07 2014
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2014 07:16:07 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Jules Vern may have been right
In-Reply-To: <268746204.13180528.1396074333444.JavaMail.root@cds018>
References: <268746204.13180528.1396074333444.JavaMail.root@cds018>
Message-ID: <5336AB77.4080501@torchlake.com>

Very, very interesting.  A huge water layer could explain a lot about 
the motion of the mantle, and possibly something about the shifting 
magnetic poles. Fascinating!
TNF

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
231-322-2787

On 3/29/2014 2:25 AM, Jim Lawrence wrote:
> Everyone knows that Jules Verne, though he predicted many of today's realities, was way off, in his fanciful book called "A Journey to the Center of the Earth". In this book he described huge oceans of water that spanned the globe. He was of course completely wrong but...
>
> New discoveries suggest that there may be more "hydroxide" water, at a depth of 400 to 700 km beneath the surface. That is quite a depth considering that the deepest mine is about 4 kilometers and the deepest well ever drilled is somewhere around 12 kilometers. But this region may have more water available than all the known water, on the surface.
>
> The implications of this discovery could open far reach possibilities...
>
> http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/03/140312150229.htm
>
> Jim
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sat Mar 29 12:53:12 2014
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2014 11:53:12 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] PDF to EPUB converters,
 free or paid but proven to work well by your own experience
In-Reply-To: <1396078448.341833568@f382.i.mail.ru>
Message-ID: <1623646974.13423798.1396115592071.JavaMail.root@cds018>

Hi Shamil:

I have mostly heard about Calbre as it has been around for years...a very mature product. Looking at the web site though, indicates that a bit of work is necessary...

I have been keeping a file on products that will convert books to EBooks. A few years ago when my wife was writing a book we used Adobe's InDesign. Though we just used it to publish the book it had a feature in it that would allow us to publish the same book as an EBook but I have not pursued it further.

Jim  

----- Original Message -----
From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" <mcp2004 at mail.ru>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2014 12:34:08 AM
Subject: [dba-Tech] PDF to EPUB converters, free or paid but proven to work well by your own experience


Hi All --

I'm looking for subj.?So far I have tested:

- Calibre -? http://calibre-ebook.com/ ?- created garbage output;

- PDFMate ( http://www.pdfmate.com/ ?Free) - GPF-ed;

- EPUB Converter 9.2.1 - AniceSoft - uses Calibre internally?

- Ebook to EPUB PDF AZW Converter 6.2.2 EPUBSOFT -?uses Calibre internally?

Do you know any good PDF to EPUB converters?

Thank you.

-- 
???????????? ??????
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From carbonnb at gmail.com  Sun Mar 30 07:36:34 2014
From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2014 08:36:34 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] PDF to EPUB converters,
 free or paid but proven to work well by your own experience
In-Reply-To: <1396078448.341833568@f382.i.mail.ru>
References: <1396078448.341833568@f382.i.mail.ru>
Message-ID: <CAAZtbWE=6HAXWrSS8oEM7u8uLkWd0PjxJpV90rtXe9bsFuKRLA@mail.gmail.com>

I have used Calibre quite a lot and haven't had any major issues with it.

For any cleanup I open the epub created by Calibre with Sigil.

Bryan
On Mar 29, 2014 3:34 AM, "Salakhetdinov Shamil" <mcp2004 at mail.ru> wrote:

>
> Hi All --
>
> I'm looking for subj. So far I have tested:
>
> - Calibre -  http://calibre-ebook.com/  - created garbage output;
>
> - PDFMate ( http://www.pdfmate.com/  Free) - GPF-ed;
>
> - EPUB Converter 9.2.1 - AniceSoft - uses Calibre internally?
>
> - Ebook to EPUB PDF AZW Converter 6.2.2 EPUBSOFT - uses Calibre internally?
>
> Do you know any good PDF to EPUB converters?
>
> Thank you.
>
> --
> ???????????? ??????
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>

From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Sun Mar 30 15:12:25 2014
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2014 00:12:25 +0400
Subject: [dba-Tech]
 =?utf-8?q?PDF_to_EPUB_converters=2C_free_or_paid_but_p?=
 =?utf-8?q?roven_to_work_well_by_your_own_experience?=
In-Reply-To: <CAAZtbWE=6HAXWrSS8oEM7u8uLkWd0PjxJpV90rtXe9bsFuKRLA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1396078448.341833568@f382.i.mail.ru>
	<CAAZtbWE=6HAXWrSS8oEM7u8uLkWd0PjxJpV90rtXe9bsFuKRLA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1396210345.160181840@f207.i.mail.ru>

 Thank you, Bryan

Calibre online manual at? http://manual.calibre-ebook.com/conversion.html ?in section "Convert PDF Documents" says:

" To re-iterate? PDF is a really, really bad ?format to use as input. If you absolutely must use PDF, then be prepared for an output ranging anywhere from decent to unusable, depending on the input PDF."

It seems that I have a case with a bad PDF input document, which can't be converted to epub.

-- Shamil

Sun, 30 Mar 2014 08:36:34 -0400 from Bryan Carbonnell <carbonnb at gmail.com>:
>I have used Calibre quite a lot and haven't had any major issues with it.
>
>For any cleanup I open the epub created by Calibre with Sigil.
>
>Bryan
>On Mar 29, 2014 3:34 AM, "Salakhetdinov Shamil" < mcp2004 at mail.ru > wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi All --
>>
>> I'm looking for subj. So far I have tested:
>>
>> - Calibre -  http://calibre-ebook.com/ - created garbage output;
>>
>> - PDFMate (  http://www.pdfmate.com/ Free) - GPF-ed;
>>
>> - EPUB Converter 9.2.1 - AniceSoft - uses Calibre internally?
>>
>> - Ebook to EPUB PDF AZW Converter 6.2.2 EPUBSOFT - uses Calibre internally?
>>
>> Do you know any good PDF to EPUB converters?
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
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From stuart.mclachlan at gmail.com  Sun Mar 30 15:47:29 2014
From: stuart.mclachlan at gmail.com (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2014 06:47:29 +1000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Jules Vern may have been right
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References: <9BC92CFC-DF4C-4CAC-96A8-3F6F5B62287C@phulse.com>,
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It's water, but not as we know it, Jim    :)

It's worth noting that the temperature at that depth is around 1500?C   

-- 
Stuart

On 29 Mar 2014 at 0:25, Jim Lawrence wrote:

> Everyone knows that Jules Verne, though he predicted many of today's
> realities, was way off, in his fanciful book called "A Journey to the
> Center of the Earth". In this book he described huge oceans of water
> that spanned the globe. He was of course completely wrong but...
> 
> New discoveries suggest that there may be more "hydroxide" water, at a
> depth of 400 to 700 km beneath the surface. That is quite a depth
> considering that the deepest mine is about 4 kilometers and the
> deepest well ever drilled is somewhere around 12 kilometers. But this
> region may have more water available than all the known water, on the
> surface.    
> 
> The implications of this discovery could open far reach
> possibilities...
> 
> http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/03/140312150229.htm
> 
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sun Mar 30 16:12:28 2014
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2014 15:12:28 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Jules Vern may have been right
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Message-ID: <323329034.13968706.1396213948310.JavaMail.root@cds018>

Hi Stuart:

I would suspect a pretty incredible temperature. If we ever drilled down that deep the super-heated steam would probably be able the run a farm of steam power electricity generating turbines, heat houses, used to cook with, like it is done in Iceland and then the condensed water could be used for agricultural and house-hold needs.

OTOH, it will be a long time before we have the technology to go that deep.

Jim     

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To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, 30 March, 2014 1:47:29 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Jules Vern may have been right

It's water, but not as we know it, Jim    :)

It's worth noting that the temperature at that depth is around 1500?C   

-- 
Stuart

On 29 Mar 2014 at 0:25, Jim Lawrence wrote:

> Everyone knows that Jules Verne, though he predicted many of today's
> realities, was way off, in his fanciful book called "A Journey to the
> Center of the Earth". In this book he described huge oceans of water
> that spanned the globe. He was of course completely wrong but...
> 
> New discoveries suggest that there may be more "hydroxide" water, at a
> depth of 400 to 700 km beneath the surface. That is quite a depth
> considering that the deepest mine is about 4 kilometers and the
> deepest well ever drilled is somewhere around 12 kilometers. But this
> region may have more water available than all the known water, on the
> surface.    
> 
> The implications of this discovery could open far reach
> possibilities...
> 
> http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/03/140312150229.htm
> 
> Jim   
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