From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Wed Oct  1 15:09:51 2014
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2014 00:09:51 +0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?After_a_10-year_Linux_migration=2C_Munich_co?=
 =?utf-8?q?nsiders_switching_back_to_Windows_and_Office?=
Message-ID: <1412194191.691167761@f366.i.mail.ru>

 Hi All --

FYI: "
After a 10-year Linux migration, Munich considers switching back to Windows and Office"

http://www.zdnet.com/after-a-10-year-linux-migration-munich-considers-switching-back-to-windows-and-office-7000032714/

-- 
???????????? ??????

From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Wed Oct  1 15:38:15 2014
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2014 13:38:15 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] After a 10-year Linux migration,
 Munich considers switching back to Windows and Office
In-Reply-To: <1412194191.691167761@f366.i.mail.ru>
References: <1412194191.691167761@f366.i.mail.ru>
Message-ID: <CAFj0BAwgFZ4YOt1Te1eiQ_W+f9XwpVqs-f2NoY+_CCkgmD3u2g@mail.gmail.com>

Munich deputy mayor, Josef Schmid, and mayor, Dieter Reiter
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dieter_Reiter>, considering going back to
Windows due to productivity problems. Munich city council spokesman Stefan
Hauf explained that the majority of issues stem from compatibility issues
in OpenOffice <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenOffice>, something a switch
to LibreOffice <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LibreOffice> could solve. In
addition, the city council and Karl-Heinz Schneider, head of municipal IT
services, said that most of things are fine, they saved ?10 million (more
than US$13 million), and there is no serious reason to come back. Microsoft
wants to move German headquarters to Munich in 2016, helped by Reiter who
describes himself as a "Microsoft fan".

Microsoft wants to move German headquarters to Munich in 2016, helped by
> Reiter who describes himself as a "Microsoft fan".


Hmmmmm...

Got one of your pro-Microsoft sleeper agents embedded in the Munich
government, have you Shamil? :p

- Hans




*Hans-Christian Andersen**Web Application Developer, Vancouver, Canada*


E: hans at phulse.com
T: +44 (0)20 7193 7841
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On 1 October 2014 13:09, Salakhetdinov Shamil <mcp2004 at mail.ru> wrote:

>  Hi All --
>
> FYI: "
> After a 10-year Linux migration, Munich considers switching back to
> Windows and Office"
>
>
> http://www.zdnet.com/after-a-10-year-linux-migration-munich-considers-switching-back-to-windows-and-office-7000032714/
>
> --
> ???????????? ??????
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From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Fri Oct  3 05:25:42 2014
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2014 14:25:42 +0400
Subject: [dba-Tech]
 =?utf-8?q?After_a_10-year_Linux_migration=2C_Munich_co?=
 =?utf-8?q?nsiders_switching_back_to_Windows_and_Office?=
In-Reply-To: <CAFj0BAwgFZ4YOt1Te1eiQ_W+f9XwpVqs-f2NoY+_CCkgmD3u2g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1412194191.691167761@f366.i.mail.ru>
	<CAFj0BAwgFZ4YOt1Te1eiQ_W+f9XwpVqs-f2NoY+_CCkgmD3u2g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1412331942.324141252@f73.i.mail.ru>

 Yes, I do.


Wed, 1 Oct 2014 13:38:15 -0700 from Hans-Christian Andersen <hans.andersen at phulse.com>:
>Munich deputy mayor, Josef Schmid, and mayor, Dieter Reiter
>< http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dieter_Reiter >, considering going back to
>Windows due to productivity problems. Munich city council spokesman Stefan
>Hauf explained that the majority of issues stem from compatibility issues
>in OpenOffice < http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenOffice >, something a switch
>to LibreOffice < http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LibreOffice > could solve. In
>addition, the city council and Karl-Heinz Schneider, head of municipal IT
>services, said that most of things are fine, they saved ?10 million (more
>than US$13 million), and there is no serious reason to come back. Microsoft
>wants to move German headquarters to Munich in 2016, helped by Reiter who
>describes himself as a "Microsoft fan".
>
>Microsoft wants to move German headquarters to Munich in 2016, helped by
>> Reiter who describes himself as a "Microsoft fan".
>
>
>Hmmmmm...
>
>Got one of your pro-Microsoft sleeper agents embedded in the Munich
>government, have you Shamil? :p
>
>- Hans
>
>
>
>
>*Hans-Christian Andersen**Web Application Developer, Vancouver, Canada*
>
>
>E:  hans at phulse.com
>T: +44 (0)20 7193 7841
>L:  http://uk.linkedin.com/in/andersenhc
>http://www.nokenode.com/
>
>*Unique Gifts, Collectables, Artwork*
>*Come one, come all to.... * www.corinnajasmine.com
>
>
>
>On 1 October 2014 13:09, Salakhetdinov Shamil < mcp2004 at mail.ru > wrote:
>
>>  Hi All --
>>
>> FYI: "
>> After a 10-year Linux migration, Munich considers switching back to
>> Windows and Office"
>>
>>
>>  http://www.zdnet.com/after-a-10-year-linux-migration-munich-considers-switching-back-to-windows-and-office-7000032714/
>>
>> --
>> ???????????? ??????
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Oct  3 20:36:07 2014
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2014 19:36:07 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] After a 10-year Linux migration,
 Munich considers switching back to Windows and Office
In-Reply-To: <1412331942.324141252@f73.i.mail.ru>
Message-ID: <1939748673.11052807.1412386567731.JavaMail.root@cds018>

Hi All:

To my way of thinking it does not matter which way a user goes.

The only questions are; one, do the applications handle the data properly, two, are the application reliable and three, probably the least important; how much does this cost to implement. 

I have heard various views on whether Munich will switch or not. Some have said it is possible and some say never. It is mostly because the Windows and Ubuntu Linux data and file management are so compatible that a user could easily switch back and forth with relative ease. I do it all the time...

Jim   

----- Original Message -----
From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" <mcp2004 at mail.ru>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, October 3, 2014 3:25:42 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] After a 10-year Linux migration, Munich considers switching back to Windows and Office

 Yes, I do.


Wed, 1 Oct 2014 13:38:15 -0700 from Hans-Christian Andersen <hans.andersen at phulse.com>:
>Munich deputy mayor, Josef Schmid, and mayor, Dieter Reiter
>< http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dieter_Reiter >, considering going back to
>Windows due to productivity problems. Munich city council spokesman Stefan
>Hauf explained that the majority of issues stem from compatibility issues
>in OpenOffice < http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenOffice >, something a switch
>to LibreOffice < http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LibreOffice > could solve. In
>addition, the city council and Karl-Heinz Schneider, head of municipal IT
>services, said that most of things are fine, they saved ?10 million (more
>than US$13 million), and there is no serious reason to come back. Microsoft
>wants to move German headquarters to Munich in 2016, helped by Reiter who
>describes himself as a "Microsoft fan".
>
>Microsoft wants to move German headquarters to Munich in 2016, helped by
>> Reiter who describes himself as a "Microsoft fan".
>
>
>Hmmmmm...
>
>Got one of your pro-Microsoft sleeper agents embedded in the Munich
>government, have you Shamil? :p
>
>- Hans
>
>
>
>
>*Hans-Christian Andersen**Web Application Developer, Vancouver, Canada*
>
>
>E:  hans at phulse.com
>T: +44 (0)20 7193 7841
>L:  http://uk.linkedin.com/in/andersenhc
>http://www.nokenode.com/
>
>*Unique Gifts, Collectables, Artwork*
>*Come one, come all to.... * www.corinnajasmine.com
>
>
>
>On 1 October 2014 13:09, Salakhetdinov Shamil < mcp2004 at mail.ru > wrote:
>
>>  Hi All --
>>
>> FYI: "
>> After a 10-year Linux migration, Munich considers switching back to
>> Windows and Office"
>>
>>
>>  http://www.zdnet.com/after-a-10-year-linux-migration-munich-considers-switching-back-to-windows-and-office-7000032714/
>>
>> --
>> ???????????? ??????
>> _______________________________________________
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From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Fri Oct  3 20:44:46 2014
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2014 18:44:46 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] After a 10-year Linux migration,
	Munich considers switching back to Windows and Office
In-Reply-To: <1939748673.11052807.1412386567731.JavaMail.root@cds018>
References: <1939748673.11052807.1412386567731.JavaMail.root@cds018>
Message-ID: <CE4A9D7C-3C7F-4E81-9772-0BF2C27D9C5F@phulse.com>

The way I see it is that it has become a political issue. Plenty of governments have made the switch without issue, but, once you get a pro-Microsoft person in charge or high up in the decision making process, you can very easily and quickly get Nokia'ed.

Since we are talking about a government here, I wonder if there might be a discussion of corruption involved here. Either way, I would not be surprised if mayor Dieter Reiter finds himself a very comfortable job at Microsoft once he's done being mayor.

- Hans


> On Oct 3, 2014, at 6:36 PM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
> 
> Hi All:
> 
> To my way of thinking it does not matter which way a user goes.
> 
> The only questions are; one, do the applications handle the data properly, two, are the application reliable and three, probably the least important; how much does this cost to implement. 
> 
> I have heard various views on whether Munich will switch or not. Some have said it is possible and some say never. It is mostly because the Windows and Ubuntu Linux data and file management are so compatible that a user could easily switch back and forth with relative ease. I do it all the time...
> 
> Jim   
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" <mcp2004 at mail.ru>
> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Friday, October 3, 2014 3:25:42 AM
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] After a 10-year Linux migration, Munich considers switching back to Windows and Office
> 
> Yes, I do.
> 
> 
> Wed, 1 Oct 2014 13:38:15 -0700 from Hans-Christian Andersen <hans.andersen at phulse.com>:
>> Munich deputy mayor, Josef Schmid, and mayor, Dieter Reiter
>> < http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dieter_Reiter >, considering going back to
>> Windows due to productivity problems. Munich city council spokesman Stefan
>> Hauf explained that the majority of issues stem from compatibility issues
>> in OpenOffice < http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenOffice >, something a switch
>> to LibreOffice < http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LibreOffice > could solve. In
>> addition, the city council and Karl-Heinz Schneider, head of municipal IT
>> services, said that most of things are fine, they saved ?10 million (more
>> than US$13 million), and there is no serious reason to come back. Microsoft
>> wants to move German headquarters to Munich in 2016, helped by Reiter who
>> describes himself as a "Microsoft fan".
>> 
>> Microsoft wants to move German headquarters to Munich in 2016, helped by
>>> Reiter who describes himself as a "Microsoft fan".
>> 
>> 
>> Hmmmmm...
>> 
>> Got one of your pro-Microsoft sleeper agents embedded in the Munich
>> government, have you Shamil? :p
>> 
>> - Hans
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> *Hans-Christian Andersen**Web Application Developer, Vancouver, Canada*
>> 
>> 
>> E:  hans at phulse.com
>> T: +44 (0)20 7193 7841
>> L:  http://uk.linkedin.com/in/andersenhc
>> http://www.nokenode.com/
>> 
>> *Unique Gifts, Collectables, Artwork*
>> *Come one, come all to.... * www.corinnajasmine.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 1 October 2014 13:09, Salakhetdinov Shamil < mcp2004 at mail.ru > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi All --
>>> 
>>> FYI: "
>>> After a 10-year Linux migration, Munich considers switching back to
>>> Windows and Office"
>>> 
>>> 
>>> http://www.zdnet.com/after-a-10-year-linux-migration-munich-considers-switching-back-to-windows-and-office-7000032714/
>>> 
>>> --
>>> ???????????? ??????
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> dba-Tech mailing list
>>> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>>> Website:  http://www.databaseadvisors.com
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Sat Oct  4 13:42:41 2014
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2014 14:42:41 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 10 install.
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1iw30ZWb4HcShnpWr9Bv5P0RSg2Th0tGnBg6SWsB4U3VQ@mail.gmail.com>

In accordance with instructions, I attempted to install the latest virgin
on my ancient sqeeze, an 8yo desktop who still works reliably. I went
through the installation process and received no error messages, but so far
as I can see, nothing changed.

Any suggestions as to what went sideways and how I might fix it?

-- 
Arthur

From accessd at shaw.ca  Sat Oct  4 23:29:04 2014
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2014 22:29:04 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 10 install.
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1iw30ZWb4HcShnpWr9Bv5P0RSg2Th0tGnBg6SWsB4U3VQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1962239628.11687641.1412483344737.JavaMail.root@cds018>

Reboot? ;-)

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Arthur Fuller" <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 4, 2014 11:42:41 AM
Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 10 install.

In accordance with instructions, I attempted to install the latest virgin
on my ancient sqeeze, an 8yo desktop who still works reliably. I went
through the installation process and received no error messages, but so far
as I can see, nothing changed.

Any suggestions as to what went sideways and how I might fix it?

-- 
Arthur
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From bheid at sc.rr.com  Sun Oct  5 18:58:42 2014
From: bheid at sc.rr.com (Bobby Heid)
Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2014 19:58:42 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 10 install.
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1iw30ZWb4HcShnpWr9Bv5P0RSg2Th0tGnBg6SWsB4U3VQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1iw30ZWb4HcShnpWr9Bv5P0RSg2Th0tGnBg6SWsB4U3VQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001e01cfe0f8$4a9d7ca0$dfd875e0$@sc.rr.com>

Can't help you with your issue, but I was able to install fine in VMWare
Workstation 10.

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2014 2:43 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 10 install.

In accordance with instructions, I attempted to install the latest virgin
on my ancient sqeeze, an 8yo desktop who still works reliably. I went
through the installation process and received no error messages, but so far
as I can see, nothing changed.

Any suggestions as to what went sideways and how I might fix it?

-- 
Arthur
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From marklbreen at gmail.com  Mon Oct  6 03:39:45 2014
From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen)
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2014 09:39:45 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] After a 10-year Linux migration,
 Munich considers switching back to Windows and Office
In-Reply-To: <CE4A9D7C-3C7F-4E81-9772-0BF2C27D9C5F@phulse.com>
References: <1939748673.11052807.1412386567731.JavaMail.root@cds018>
	<CE4A9D7C-3C7F-4E81-9772-0BF2C27D9C5F@phulse.com>
Message-ID: <CAGXtTCi6YEO1LxVVWdt-qjcTigorSKf4hELdLwzq_TdMYdeCFQ@mail.gmail.com>

On a small scale, I have a customer with about 20 machines, she switched 8
- 10 to Ubuntu a few months ago and loves it.

When she gives a new person a machine, she just re-installs from a USB and
thats it, a fresh, new machine.



On 4 October 2014 02:44, Hans-Christian Andersen <hans.andersen at phulse.com>
wrote:

> The way I see it is that it has become a political issue. Plenty of
> governments have made the switch without issue, but, once you get a
> pro-Microsoft person in charge or high up in the decision making process,
> you can very easily and quickly get Nokia'ed.
>
> Since we are talking about a government here, I wonder if there might be a
> discussion of corruption involved here. Either way, I would not be
> surprised if mayor Dieter Reiter finds himself a very comfortable job at
> Microsoft once he's done being mayor.
>
> - Hans
>
>
> > On Oct 3, 2014, at 6:36 PM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
> >
> > Hi All:
> >
> > To my way of thinking it does not matter which way a user goes.
> >
> > The only questions are; one, do the applications handle the data
> properly, two, are the application reliable and three, probably the least
> important; how much does this cost to implement.
> >
> > I have heard various views on whether Munich will switch or not. Some
> have said it is possible and some say never. It is mostly because the
> Windows and Ubuntu Linux data and file management are so compatible that a
> user could easily switch back and forth with relative ease. I do it all the
> time...
> >
> > Jim
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" <mcp2004 at mail.ru>
> > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <
> dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Friday, October 3, 2014 3:25:42 AM
> > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] After a 10-year Linux migration, Munich
> considers switching back to Windows and Office
> >
> > Yes, I do.
> >
> >
> > Wed, 1 Oct 2014 13:38:15 -0700 from Hans-Christian Andersen <
> hans.andersen at phulse.com>:
> >> Munich deputy mayor, Josef Schmid, and mayor, Dieter Reiter
> >> < http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dieter_Reiter >, considering going back
> to
> >> Windows due to productivity problems. Munich city council spokesman
> Stefan
> >> Hauf explained that the majority of issues stem from compatibility
> issues
> >> in OpenOffice < http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenOffice >, something a
> switch
> >> to LibreOffice < http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LibreOffice > could
> solve. In
> >> addition, the city council and Karl-Heinz Schneider, head of municipal
> IT
> >> services, said that most of things are fine, they saved ?10 million
> (more
> >> than US$13 million), and there is no serious reason to come back.
> Microsoft
> >> wants to move German headquarters to Munich in 2016, helped by Reiter
> who
> >> describes himself as a "Microsoft fan".
> >>
> >> Microsoft wants to move German headquarters to Munich in 2016, helped by
> >>> Reiter who describes himself as a "Microsoft fan".
> >>
> >>
> >> Hmmmmm...
> >>
> >> Got one of your pro-Microsoft sleeper agents embedded in the Munich
> >> government, have you Shamil? :p
> >>
> >> - Hans
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> *Hans-Christian Andersen**Web Application Developer, Vancouver, Canada*
> >>
> >>
> >> E:  hans at phulse.com
> >> T: +44 (0)20 7193 7841
> >> L:  http://uk.linkedin.com/in/andersenhc
> >> http://www.nokenode.com/
> >>
> >> *Unique Gifts, Collectables, Artwork*
> >> *Come one, come all to.... * www.corinnajasmine.com
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> On 1 October 2014 13:09, Salakhetdinov Shamil < mcp2004 at mail.ru >
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi All --
> >>>
> >>> FYI: "
> >>> After a 10-year Linux migration, Munich considers switching back to
> >>> Windows and Office"
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> http://www.zdnet.com/after-a-10-year-linux-migration-munich-considers-switching-back-to-windows-and-office-7000032714/
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> ???????????? ??????
> >>> _______________________________________________
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From jbartow at winhaven.net  Tue Oct  7 11:25:16 2014
From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2014 11:25:16 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Mac OSX zombie network
Message-ID: <012401cfe24b$47ff6c20$d7fe4460$@winhaven.net>

FYI Macheads:

A newly discovered zombie network that exclusively targets Apple computers
running Mac OS X across the globe has compromised roughly 17,000 machines so
far, giving hackers backdoor access to infected computers, researchers at
Russian antivirus firm Dr.Web warned. - See more at:
http://thehackernews.com/2014/10/over-17000-mac-machines-affected-by_6.html?
utm_source=feedburner
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?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheHackersNews+%
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bY3V9ii.dpuf>
&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheHackersNews+%28The+Hackers+News+-+S
ecurity+Blog%29&_m=3n.009a.723.kp0aof74zx.f50#sthash.0bY3V9ii.dpuf

 

17,000 - it seems do small compared to the million windows pcs zombie
networks out there. I guess it's all in the scale of things.

 


From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Tue Oct  7 11:50:33 2014
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2014 09:50:33 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Mac OSX zombie network
In-Reply-To: <012401cfe24b$47ff6c20$d7fe4460$@winhaven.net>
References: <012401cfe24b$47ff6c20$d7fe4460$@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <3096AE2B-D34F-4155-A904-9D9840E7A7D1@phulse.com>

Hey, it might look like a small number, but you gotta start from somewhere!

- Hans


> On Oct 7, 2014, at 9:25 AM, "John R Bartow" <jbartow at winhaven.net> wrote:
> 
> FYI Macheads:
> 
> A newly discovered zombie network that exclusively targets Apple computers
> running Mac OS X across the globe has compromised roughly 17,000 machines so
> far, giving hackers backdoor access to infected computers, researchers at
> Russian antivirus firm Dr.Web warned. - See more at:
> http://thehackernews.com/2014/10/over-17000-mac-machines-affected-by_6.html?
> utm_source=feedburner
> <http://thehackernews.com/2014/10/over-17000-mac-machines-affected-by_6.html
> ?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheHackersNews+%
> 28The+Hackers+News+-+Security+Blog%29&_m=3n.009a.723.kp0aof74zx.f50#sthash.0
> bY3V9ii.dpuf>
> &utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheHackersNews+%28The+Hackers+News+-+S
> ecurity+Blog%29&_m=3n.009a.723.kp0aof74zx.f50#sthash.0bY3V9ii.dpuf
> 
> 
> 
> 17,000 - it seems do small compared to the million windows pcs zombie
> networks out there. I guess it's all in the scale of things.
> 
> 
> 
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From jbartow at winhaven.net  Tue Oct  7 14:46:23 2014
From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2014 14:46:23 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Mac OSX zombie network
In-Reply-To: <3096AE2B-D34F-4155-A904-9D9840E7A7D1@phulse.com>
References: <012401cfe24b$47ff6c20$d7fe4460$@winhaven.net>
	<3096AE2B-D34F-4155-A904-9D9840E7A7D1@phulse.com>
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAEYCyN5P/bJBrYSSOqub7FoChQAAEAAAABLWnXAGfwRAtghl5Pe/MJEBAAAAAA==@winhaven.net>

Yes, you do. Apparently this has been out there awhile now and they're only
up to 17,000? I just chuckled to myself - that's like a beta test for  a
zombie network using windows ;-)

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hans-Christian
Andersen
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2014 11:51 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Mac OSX zombie network

Hey, it might look like a small number, but you gotta start from somewhere!

- Hans


> On Oct 7, 2014, at 9:25 AM, "John R Bartow" <jbartow at winhaven.net> wrote:
> 
> FYI Macheads:
> 
> A newly discovered zombie network that exclusively targets Apple 
> computers running Mac OS X across the globe has compromised roughly 
> 17,000 machines so far, giving hackers backdoor access to infected 
> computers, researchers at Russian antivirus firm Dr.Web warned. - See more
at:
>
http://thehackernews.com/2014/10/over-17000-mac-machines-affected-by_6.html?
> utm_source=feedburner
> <http://thehackernews.com/2014/10/over-17000-mac-machines-affected-by_
> 6.html 
> ?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheHackers
> News+%
> 28The+Hackers+News+-+Security+Blog%29&_m=3n.009a.723.kp0aof74zx.f50#st
> 28The+Hackers+News+-+Security+hash.0
> bY3V9ii.dpuf>
> &utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheHackersNews+%28The+Hackers+Ne
> ws+-+S
> ecurity+Blog%29&_m=3n.009a.723.kp0aof74zx.f50#sthash.0bY3V9ii.dpuf
> 
> 
> 
> 17,000 - it seems do small compared to the million windows pcs zombie 
> networks out there. I guess it's all in the scale of things.
> 
> 
> 
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Oct  8 04:07:07 2014
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2014 09:07:07 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] CrowdCurity low cost security check
Message-ID: <bf1ea5587ce34c7596ea28a21d176265@AMSPR06MB357.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Hi all

Meet these guys with a splendid idea for security check of web sites at realistic costs for SMBs:

   https://www.crowdcurity.com/

/gustav

From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Oct  8 12:42:39 2014
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2014 11:42:39 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] CrowdCurity low cost security check
In-Reply-To: <bf1ea5587ce34c7596ea28a21d176265@AMSPR06MB357.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <723699885.14431625.1412790159856.JavaMail.root@cds018>

That is a great idea. :-)

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 8, 2014 2:07:07 AM
Subject: [dba-Tech] CrowdCurity low cost security check

Hi all

Meet these guys with a splendid idea for security check of web sites at realistic costs for SMBs:

   https://www.crowdcurity.com/

/gustav
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sat Oct 11 17:44:31 2014
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2014 16:44:31 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Germany's Linux adoption.
In-Reply-To: <09db18a8f3a240da95a6ad98cbf8edb9@AMSPR06MB357.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <1831073865.17051737.1413067471483.JavaMail.root@cds018>

Hi All:

Here is another article on the migration of Windows to Linux, in Germany. This time from TechRepublic:

http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/european-technology/its-not-just-munich-open-source-gains-new-ground-in-germany/?tag=nl.e101&s_cid=e101&ttag=e101&ftag=TRE684d531

Jim 

From accessd at shaw.ca  Sat Oct 11 17:51:30 2014
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2014 16:51:30 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Announcing Xamarin 3
In-Reply-To: <09db18a8f3a240da95a6ad98cbf8edb9@AMSPR06MB357.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <1350508031.17053878.1413067890018.JavaMail.root@cds018>

Hi Gustav:

I have been looking into Xamarian and have been hearing a lot of noise. 

According to some, all the new features are well and good but there are some serious bugs in the code and the company has failed to address them in a timely manner. Seeing the product is not an OSS type application and the payment structures are not inexpensive, we shouldn't be hearing/reading a lot of serious complaints over quality control. 

Here is some of the complaints:

https://gist.github.com/anonymous/38850edf6b9105ee1f8a
...and...
https://bugzilla.xamarin.com/show_bug.cgi?id=21995

There are many more such comments so before you invest a lot of time and money proceed with caution...Just a heads up.

Jim  

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 1:45:04 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Announcing Xamarin 3

Hi all

There is also a highly praised 45 minutes video by Filip Ekberg from a  Sydney User Group event:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xfMYdWAo0k

and a Channel 9 video:

    http://channel9.msdn.com/Events/Build/2014/3-653

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Salakhetdinov Shamil
Sendt: 31. maj 2014 15:44
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Announcing Xamarin 3

 Hi Jim --

If you missed webinar, here are the links:

Webinar recording:? https://xamarin.wistia.com/medias/dnm9rouaer ?
Webinar slides:? http://www.slideshare.net/Xamarin/say-hello-to-xamarin-3

Thank you.

-- Shamil


Fri, 30 May 2014 09:13:48 -0600 (MDT) from Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca>:
>Hi Shamil:
>
>Again, thank you for the link.
>
>Jim
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" < mcp2004 at mail.ru >
>To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" < dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com >
>Sent: Friday, May 30, 2014 5:05:49 AM
>Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Announcing Xamarin 3
>
>?Hi Jim and Gusatv et all --
>
>It has just started at 5am PDT
>http://resources.xamarin.com/say-hello-to-xamarin-3-5am.html
>
>
>Thank you.
>
>-- Shamil
>
>
>Fri, 30 May 2014 01:19:24 -0600 (MDT) from Jim Lawrence < accessd at shaw.ca >:
>>Hi Shamil:
>>
>>Of course not. Real men don't use GUIs. ;-) 
>>
>>Jim
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" <  mcp2004 at mail.ru >
>>To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <  dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com >
>>Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2014 11:01:44 PM
>>Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Announcing Xamarin 3
>>
>>?Hi Jim --
>>
>>My pleasure! But real programmers don't use/don't need GUI IDE, do they? ;)
>>
>>-- Shamil
>>
>>
>>Thu, 29 May 2014 11:46:24 -0600 (MDT) from Jim Lawrence <  accessd at shaw.ca >:
>>>Hi Shamil:
>>>
>>>Thanks for that link.
>>>
>>>Jim
>>>
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" <  mcp2004 at mail.ru >
>>>To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <  dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com >
>>>Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2014 10:22:13 AM
>>>Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Announcing Xamarin 3
>>>
>>>?Hi Jim --
>>>
>>>Free Xamarin Studio (  http://xamarin.com/studio ) can be used instead of VS.
>>>
>>>-- Shamil
>>>
>>>
>>>Thu, 29 May 2014 10:19:24 -0600 (MDT) from Jim Lawrence <  accessd at shaw.ca >:
>>>>Hi Shamil:
>>>>
>>>>But doesn't Visual Studio support not start until you have reached the $1000 level?
>>>>
>>>>Jim
>>>>
>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" <  mcp2004 at mail.ru >
>>>>To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <  dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com >
>>>>Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2014 9:08:57 AM
>>>>Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Announcing Xamarin 3
>>>>
>>>>?Hi Jim and Gustav --
>>>>
>>>>Well, Starter edition is free, Indie edition costs just a family extended dinner, and Business and Enterprise Editions have usual price ranges for corporations. I suppose Indie edition would be good enough for quite a few development/usage scenarios for SOHO companies with usually "shallow pockets.
>>>>
>>>>-- Shamil
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Thu, 29 May 2014 09:36:11 -0600 (MDT) from Jim Lawrence <  accessd at shaw.ca >:
>>>>>Hi Shamil:
>>>>>
>>>>>For developers or clients with deep pockets this may be an ideal.
>>>>>
>>>>>Jim
>>>>>
>>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>>From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" <  mcp2004 at mail.ru >
>>>>>To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <  dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com >
>>>>>Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2014 10:47:29 AM
>>>>>Subject: [dba-Tech] Announcing Xamarin 3
>>>>>
>>>>>?Hi All --
>>>>>
>>>>>Here are great news for multi-platform mobile development for C# devs:
>>>>>
>>>>>  http://blog.xamarin.com/announcing-xamarin-3
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>-- 
>>>>>???????????? ?????? 

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From gustav at cactus.dk  Sun Oct 12 05:00:24 2014
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2014 10:00:24 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Announcing Xamarin 3
In-Reply-To: <1350508031.17053878.1413067890018.JavaMail.root@cds018>
References: <09db18a8f3a240da95a6ad98cbf8edb9@AMSPR06MB357.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>,
	<1350508031.17053878.1413067890018.JavaMail.root@cds018>
Message-ID: <1413108024086.29987@cactus.dk>

Hi Jim

Thanks for the tip. You are right, one wouldn't expect this from expensive software.

/gustav

________________________________________
Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com <dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> p? vegne af Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca>
Sendt: 12. oktober 2014 00:51
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Announcing Xamarin 3

Hi Gustav:

I have been looking into Xamarian and have been hearing a lot of noise.

According to some, all the new features are well and good but there are some serious bugs in the code and the company has failed to address them in a timely manner. Seeing the product is not an OSS type application and the payment structures are not inexpensive, we shouldn't be hearing/reading a lot of serious complaints over quality control.

Here is some of the complaints:

https://gist.github.com/anonymous/38850edf6b9105ee1f8a
...and...
https://bugzilla.xamarin.com/show_bug.cgi?id=21995

There are many more such comments so before you invest a lot of time and money proceed with caution...Just a heads up.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 1:45:04 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Announcing Xamarin 3

Hi all

There is also a highly praised 45 minutes video by Filip Ekberg from a  Sydney User Group event:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xfMYdWAo0k

and a Channel 9 video:

    http://channel9.msdn.com/Events/Build/2014/3-653

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Salakhetdinov Shamil
Sendt: 31. maj 2014 15:44
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Announcing Xamarin 3

 Hi Jim --

If you missed webinar, here are the links:

Webinar recording:  https://xamarin.wistia.com/medias/dnm9rouaer
Webinar slides:  http://www.slideshare.net/Xamarin/say-hello-to-xamarin-3

Thank you.

-- Shamil

From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Tue Oct 14 01:38:11 2014
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 10:38:11 +0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?iPhone_6_vs=2E_iPhone_6_Plus?=
Message-ID: <1413268691.600378178@f330.i.mail.ru>

 Hi All --

Any iPhone 6/iPhone 6 Plus fans here? :)

What in your opinion are advantages/disadvantages of one or another iPhone 6 model?

Thank you.

-- 
???????????? ??????

From hans.andersen at phulse.com  Tue Oct 14 02:38:59 2014
From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 00:38:59 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] iPhone 6 vs. iPhone 6 Plus
In-Reply-To: <1413268691.600378178@f330.i.mail.ru>
References: <1413268691.600378178@f330.i.mail.ru>
Message-ID: <18FAEC9F-DC8D-426B-81BC-6223A113AAFE@phulse.com>

iPhone 6... Ok, but a little too big
iPhone 6+... You mean I need 2 hands to operate a phone?

Obviously Apple is reacting to a market demand - a market who thinks big phones are the bees knees - and Apple is making a killing once again. But I wish Apple operated as it used to - building the best device that they think would actually be good for users and sensible rather than being influenced by the vocal minority, who are stupid and only care about dumb metrics such as bigger phones or more powerful phones or whatnot at the expense of a good user experience.

I guess it was inevitable since the death of a perfectionist such as Steve Jobs. I expect the next iPhone to be the size of a ghetto blaster with a keyboard and mouse attachment.

I remember the days when small phones were desirable. Such a shame.

- Hans


> On Oct 13, 2014, at 11:38 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil <mcp2004 at mail.ru> wrote:
> 
> Hi All --
> 
> Any iPhone 6/iPhone 6 Plus fans here? :)
> 
> What in your opinion are advantages/disadvantages of one or another iPhone 6 model?
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> -- 
> ???????????? ??????
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From jon.tydda at lonza.com  Tue Oct 14 02:50:54 2014
From: jon.tydda at lonza.com (Tydda Jon - Lonza Slough)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 07:50:54 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] iPhone 6 vs. iPhone 6 Plus
In-Reply-To: <1413268691.600378178@f330.i.mail.ru>
References: <1413268691.600378178@f330.i.mail.ru>
Message-ID: <84b955b776b44a5ea793b6bca69607ef@CHVEX12.lonzagroup.net>

I've had my iPhone 6 for 3 weeks now, and I love it. Couldn't possibly go back to a 4 or a 5 again... The screen is beautiful, the camera is pretty sharp too. If you've got a 5S, don't bother upgrading. If you have anything before that, you should definitely consider it.

I haven't used the 6 plus, but I'd think it's a bit on the big side. The 6 is the same size as a Galaxy S5.


Jon

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Subject: [dba-Tech] iPhone 6 vs. iPhone 6 Plus

 Hi All --

Any iPhone 6/iPhone 6 Plus fans here? :)

What in your opinion are advantages/disadvantages of one or another iPhone 6 model?

Thank you.

--
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From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Tue Oct 14 03:38:08 2014
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 12:38:08 +0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?iPhone_6_vs=2E_iPhone_6_Plus?=
In-Reply-To: <18FAEC9F-DC8D-426B-81BC-6223A113AAFE@phulse.com>
References: <1413268691.600378178@f330.i.mail.ru>
	<18FAEC9F-DC8D-426B-81BC-6223A113AAFE@phulse.com>
Message-ID: <1413275888.211213892@f98.i.mail.ru>

 Hi Hans --

Thank you for your comment.
What smartphone do you use?

>?iPhone 6+... You mean I need 2 hands to operate a phone?
No, it can be operated with one hand -?http://www.phonearena.com/news/How-to-use-the-iPhone-6-Plus-easier-with-one-hand_id61052
I have visited local iPort store - yes, you can have your second hand free while using iPhone 6 Plus with one hand.

I personally also like smaller phone sizes but assuming I'm using my smartphone (Nokia Lumia 800 currently) to read e-mails, browser Internet etc. bigger screen size would be more comfortable. And iPhone 6 Plus has a better battery life - 2 days they say as well as better video recording stabilization...

Thank you.

-- Shamil


Tue, 14 Oct 2014 00:38:59 -0700 from Hans-Christian Andersen <hans.andersen at phulse.com>:
>iPhone 6... Ok, but a little too big
>iPhone 6+... You mean I need 2 hands to operate a phone?
>
>Obviously Apple is reacting to a market demand - a market who thinks big phones are the bees knees - and Apple is making a killing once again. But I wish Apple operated as it used to - building the best device that they think would actually be good for users and sensible rather than being influenced by the vocal minority, who are stupid and only care about dumb metrics such as bigger phones or more powerful phones or whatnot at the expense of a good user experience.
>
>I guess it was inevitable since the death of a perfectionist such as Steve Jobs. I expect the next iPhone to be the size of a ghetto blaster with a keyboard and mouse attachment.
>
>I remember the days when small phones were desirable. Such a shame.
>
>- Hans
>
>
>> On Oct 13, 2014, at 11:38 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil < mcp2004 at mail.ru > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi All --
>> 
>> Any iPhone 6/iPhone 6 Plus fans here? :)
>> 
>> What in your opinion are advantages/disadvantages of one or another iPhone 6 model?
>> 
>> Thank you.
>> 
>> -- 
>> ???????????? ??????
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From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Tue Oct 14 03:46:27 2014
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 12:46:27 +0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?iPhone_6_vs=2E_iPhone_6_Plus?=
In-Reply-To: <84b955b776b44a5ea793b6bca69607ef@CHVEX12.lonzagroup.net>
References: <1413268691.600378178@f330.i.mail.ru>
	<84b955b776b44a5ea793b6bca69607ef@CHVEX12.lonzagroup.net>
Message-ID: <1413276387.421918160@f98.i.mail.ru>

 Hi Jon --

Thank you for your comment. I'm currently using Nokia Lumia 800 WinPhone but I'm about to abandon WinPhone line as whatever useful (in everyday life) smartphone program (as e.g. photocamera remoting, home automation, car automation etc.) I see - there is no usually WinPhone one - just iPhone or Android.

What about your iPhone 6 memory size - have you got 16GB, 64GB or 128GB model?
Are there any need for a 128GB if I do not plan to store hours of video on iPhone 6? (I will probably select 64GB model - just to "set it and forget" - I mean forget on flash memory limitations, I'd expect 64GB would be enough for several years...)

Thank you.

-- Shamil?


Tue, 14 Oct 2014 07:50:54 +0000 from Tydda Jon - Lonza Slough <jon.tydda at lonza.com>:
>I've had my iPhone 6 for 3 weeks now, and I love it. Couldn't possibly go back to a 4 or a 5 again... The screen is beautiful, the camera is pretty sharp too. If you've got a 5S, don't bother upgrading. If you have anything before that, you should definitely consider it.
>
>I haven't used the 6 plus, but I'd think it's a bit on the big side. The 6 is the same size as a Galaxy S5.
>
>
>Jon
>
>-----Original Message-----
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>Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 7:38 AM
>To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>Subject: [dba-Tech] iPhone 6 vs. iPhone 6 Plus
>
>?Hi All --
>
>Any iPhone 6/iPhone 6 Plus fans here? :)
>
>What in your opinion are advantages/disadvantages of one or another iPhone 6 model?
>
>Thank you.
>
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From eptept at gmail.com  Tue Oct 14 07:38:11 2014
From: eptept at gmail.com (Ed Tesiny)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 08:38:11 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] iPhone 6 vs. iPhone 6 Plus
In-Reply-To: <1413276387.421918160@f98.i.mail.ru>
References: <1413268691.600378178@f330.i.mail.ru>
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Shamil,
If you're interested in using your phone in a car via Bluetooth, make sure
the phone you pick will be recognized by the car.  I have a Motorola Razr
HD Max which my wife's car picks up.  Her Motorola Moto X doesn't connect.
BTW, her battery life is poor, mine is excellent.

On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 4:46 AM, Salakhetdinov Shamil <mcp2004 at mail.ru>
wrote:

>  Hi Jon --
>
> Thank you for your comment. I'm currently using Nokia Lumia 800 WinPhone
> but I'm about to abandon WinPhone line as whatever useful (in everyday
> life) smartphone program (as e.g. photocamera remoting, home automation,
> car automation etc.) I see - there is no usually WinPhone one - just iPhone
> or Android.
>
> What about your iPhone 6 memory size - have you got 16GB, 64GB or 128GB
> model?
> Are there any need for a 128GB if I do not plan to store hours of video on
> iPhone 6? (I will probably select 64GB model - just to "set it and forget"
> - I mean forget on flash memory limitations, I'd expect 64GB would be
> enough for several years...)
>
> Thank you.
>
> -- Shamil
>
>
> Tue, 14 Oct 2014 07:50:54 +0000 from Tydda Jon - Lonza Slough <
> jon.tydda at lonza.com>:
> >I've had my iPhone 6 for 3 weeks now, and I love it. Couldn't possibly go
> back to a 4 or a 5 again... The screen is beautiful, the camera is pretty
> sharp too. If you've got a 5S, don't bother upgrading. If you have anything
> before that, you should definitely consider it.
> >
> >I haven't used the 6 plus, but I'd think it's a bit on the big side. The
> 6 is the same size as a Galaxy S5.
> >
> >
> >Jon
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From:  dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:
> dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov Shamil
> >Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 7:38 AM
> >To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> >Subject: [dba-Tech] iPhone 6 vs. iPhone 6 Plus
> >
> > Hi All --
> >
> >Any iPhone 6/iPhone 6 Plus fans here? :)
> >
> >What in your opinion are advantages/disadvantages of one or another
> iPhone 6 model?
> >
> >Thank you.
> >
> >--
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From jon.tydda at lonza.com  Tue Oct 14 07:41:24 2014
From: jon.tydda at lonza.com (Tydda Jon - Lonza Slough)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 12:41:24 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] iPhone 6 vs. iPhone 6 Plus
In-Reply-To: <1413276387.421918160@f98.i.mail.ru>
References: <1413268691.600378178@f330.i.mail.ru>
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	<1413276387.421918160@f98.i.mail.ru>
Message-ID: <1b4f4590d8004d06b7505371f050826e@CHVEX12.lonzagroup.net>

I have the 16gb model - I don't keep photos, video or music on the phone, I have a 160gb iPod for all that stuff. Also, I didn't pay extra to get the new phone, just a standard upgrade on my contract. If I wanted a bigger phone, it would have cost me more.


Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov Shamil
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 9:46 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] iPhone 6 vs. iPhone 6 Plus

 Hi Jon --

Thank you for your comment. I'm currently using Nokia Lumia 800 WinPhone but I'm about to abandon WinPhone line as whatever useful (in everyday life) smartphone program (as e.g. photocamera remoting, home automation, car automation etc.) I see - there is no usually WinPhone one - just iPhone or Android.

What about your iPhone 6 memory size - have you got 16GB, 64GB or 128GB model?
Are there any need for a 128GB if I do not plan to store hours of video on iPhone 6? (I will probably select 64GB model - just to "set it and forget" - I mean forget on flash memory limitations, I'd expect 64GB would be enough for several years...)

Thank you.

-- Shamil


Tue, 14 Oct 2014 07:50:54 +0000 from Tydda Jon - Lonza Slough <jon.tydda at lonza.com>:
>I've had my iPhone 6 for 3 weeks now, and I love it. Couldn't possibly go back to a 4 or a 5 again... The screen is beautiful, the camera is pretty sharp too. If you've got a 5S, don't bother upgrading. If you have anything before that, you should definitely consider it.
>
>I haven't used the 6 plus, but I'd think it's a bit on the big side. The 6 is the same size as a Galaxy S5.
>
>
>Jon
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From:  dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov Shamil
>Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 7:38 AM
>To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>Subject: [dba-Tech] iPhone 6 vs. iPhone 6 Plus
>
> Hi All --
>
>Any iPhone 6/iPhone 6 Plus fans here? :)
>
>What in your opinion are advantages/disadvantages of one or another iPhone 6 model?
>
>Thank you.
>
>--
>???????????? ??????
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From eptept at gmail.com  Tue Oct 14 07:54:12 2014
From: eptept at gmail.com (Ed Tesiny)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 08:54:12 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] iPhone 6 vs. iPhone 6 Plus
In-Reply-To: <1b4f4590d8004d06b7505371f050826e@CHVEX12.lonzagroup.net>
References: <1413268691.600378178@f330.i.mail.ru>
	<84b955b776b44a5ea793b6bca69607ef@CHVEX12.lonzagroup.net>
	<1413276387.421918160@f98.i.mail.ru>
	<1b4f4590d8004d06b7505371f050826e@CHVEX12.lonzagroup.net>
Message-ID: <CAEkqQpUW6iXKXuBkAMEZ9xFD-vGpSBw6EsBiehhnfN40tFjZ9Q@mail.gmail.com>

I have a 32 Gb model with a 32 Gb mini SD card, seems more than enough.

On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 8:41 AM, Tydda Jon - Lonza Slough <
jon.tydda at lonza.com> wrote:

> I have the 16gb model - I don't keep photos, video or music on the phone,
> I have a 160gb iPod for all that stuff. Also, I didn't pay extra to get the
> new phone, just a standard upgrade on my contract. If I wanted a bigger
> phone, it would have cost me more.
>
>
> Jon
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:
> dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov Shamil
> Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 9:46 AM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] iPhone 6 vs. iPhone 6 Plus
>
>  Hi Jon --
>
> Thank you for your comment. I'm currently using Nokia Lumia 800 WinPhone
> but I'm about to abandon WinPhone line as whatever useful (in everyday
> life) smartphone program (as e.g. photocamera remoting, home automation,
> car automation etc.) I see - there is no usually WinPhone one - just iPhone
> or Android.
>
> What about your iPhone 6 memory size - have you got 16GB, 64GB or 128GB
> model?
> Are there any need for a 128GB if I do not plan to store hours of video on
> iPhone 6? (I will probably select 64GB model - just to "set it and forget"
> - I mean forget on flash memory limitations, I'd expect 64GB would be
> enough for several years...)
>
> Thank you.
>
> -- Shamil
>
>
> Tue, 14 Oct 2014 07:50:54 +0000 from Tydda Jon - Lonza Slough <
> jon.tydda at lonza.com>:
> >I've had my iPhone 6 for 3 weeks now, and I love it. Couldn't possibly go
> back to a 4 or a 5 again... The screen is beautiful, the camera is pretty
> sharp too. If you've got a 5S, don't bother upgrading. If you have anything
> before that, you should definitely consider it.
> >
> >I haven't used the 6 plus, but I'd think it's a bit on the big side. The
> 6 is the same size as a Galaxy S5.
> >
> >
> >Jon
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From:  dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:
> dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov Shamil
> >Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 7:38 AM
> >To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> >Subject: [dba-Tech] iPhone 6 vs. iPhone 6 Plus
> >
> > Hi All --
> >
> >Any iPhone 6/iPhone 6 Plus fans here? :)
> >
> >What in your opinion are advantages/disadvantages of one or another
> iPhone 6 model?
> >
> >Thank you.
> >
> >--
> >???????????? ??????
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Oct 14 08:58:27 2014
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 13:58:27 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Printing as fast as a machine gun - in 3D
Message-ID: <307c714d3a104bd18514e408b178ad7f@AMSPR06MB357.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Hi all

If you are still in doubt - some people do have too much time:

http://www.iflscience.com/technology/man-makes-paper-airplane-gun-using-3d-printed-parts

But it proves the vast potential of 3D printing ...

/gustav

From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Tue Oct 14 12:30:35 2014
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 21:30:35 +0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?iPhone_6_vs=2E_iPhone_6_Plus?=
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	<1413276387.421918160@f98.i.mail.ru>
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Message-ID: <1413307835.167556003@f120.i.mail.ru>

 Hi Ed --

My Nokia Lumia 800 works well in my car via Bluetooth, the issue is with other apps, which do exist for iPhone or Android but do not exist for Windows Phone.?

Thank you.

-- Shamil


Tue, 14 Oct 2014 08:38:11 -0400 from Ed Tesiny <eptept at gmail.com>:
>Shamil,
>If you're interested in using your phone in a car via Bluetooth, make sure
>the phone you pick will be recognized by the car.  I have a Motorola Razr
>HD Max which my wife's car picks up.  Her Motorola Moto X doesn't connect.
>BTW, her battery life is poor, mine is excellent.
>
>On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 4:46 AM, Salakhetdinov Shamil < mcp2004 at mail.ru >
>wrote:
>
>>  Hi Jon --
>>
>> Thank you for your comment. I'm currently using Nokia Lumia 800 WinPhone
>> but I'm about to abandon WinPhone line as whatever useful (in everyday
>> life) smartphone program (as e.g. photocamera remoting, home automation,
>> car automation etc.) I see - there is no usually WinPhone one - just iPhone
>> or Android.
>>
>> What about your iPhone 6 memory size - have you got 16GB, 64GB or 128GB
>> model?
>> Are there any need for a 128GB if I do not plan to store hours of video on
>> iPhone 6? (I will probably select 64GB model - just to "set it and forget"
>> - I mean forget on flash memory limitations, I'd expect 64GB would be
>> enough for several years...)
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>> -- Shamil
>>
>>
>> Tue, 14 Oct 2014 07:50:54 +0000 from Tydda Jon - Lonza Slough <
>>  jon.tydda at lonza.com >:
>> >I've had my iPhone 6 for 3 weeks now, and I love it. Couldn't possibly go
>> back to a 4 or a 5 again... The screen is beautiful, the camera is pretty
>> sharp too. If you've got a 5S, don't bother upgrading. If you have anything
>> before that, you should definitely consider it.
>> >
>> >I haven't used the 6 plus, but I'd think it's a bit on the big side. The
>> 6 is the same size as a Galaxy S5.
>> >
>> >
>> >Jon
>> >
>> >-----Original Message-----
>> >From:  dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:
>> dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov Shamil
>> >Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 7:38 AM
>> >To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>> >Subject: [dba-Tech] iPhone 6 vs. iPhone 6 Plus
>> >
>> > Hi All --
>> >
>> >Any iPhone 6/iPhone 6 Plus fans here? :)
>> >
>> >What in your opinion are advantages/disadvantages of one or another
>> iPhone 6 model?
>> >
>> >Thank you.
>> >
>> >--
>> >???????????? ??????
>> >_______________________________________________
>> >dba-Tech mailing list
>> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
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>> >
>> >________________________________
>> >This communication and its attachments, if any, may contain confidential
>> and privileged information the use of which by other persons or entities
>> than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you receive this transmission
>> in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete the material
>> from your system.
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Oct 14 13:01:09 2014
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 12:01:09 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Printing as fast as a machine gun - in 3D
In-Reply-To: <307c714d3a104bd18514e408b178ad7f@AMSPR06MB357.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <1952869915.18728141.1413309669107.JavaMail.root@cds018>

Hi Gustav:

What an awesome toy to make with your kids.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 6:58:27 AM
Subject: [dba-Tech] Printing as fast as a machine gun - in 3D

Hi all

If you are still in doubt - some people do have too much time:

http://www.iflscience.com/technology/man-makes-paper-airplane-gun-using-3d-printed-parts

But it proves the vast potential of 3D printing ...

/gustav
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Oct 14 15:18:57 2014
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 14:18:57 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Linux to/from Windows
In-Reply-To: <7e6acf925c744d628e5fd941c8dce8ec@AMSPR06MB357.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <1614013753.18881358.1413317937764.JavaMail.root@cds018>

The truth about the ongoing discussions about whether Linux or Windows is the best choice for an large office environment.

http://www.techrepublic.com/article/no-munich-isnt-about-to-ditch-free-software-and-move-back-to-windows/?tag=nl.e101&s_cid=e101&ttag=e101&ftag=TRE684d531

Aside: It should be noted that the decision to migrate from Windows to Linux was made early in 2000. The current Linux platforms, a decade later, are far more sophisticated and limitations that existed then are gone. 

IMHO, an individual would be hard pressed to find many or any functionality that does not exist in Linux but that is not true for alternative platforms...Linux's more esoteric features of course presumes a better or advanced knowledge of systems in general but to the group present that is hardly an obstacle. 

Jim  

From gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Oct 14 15:39:30 2014
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 20:39:30 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows Update
Message-ID: <1413319169522.73036@cactus.dk>

Hi all



A new top this week?

983 MB for Win8.1 and Office 2013 and VS.



/gustav

From garykjos at gmail.com  Tue Oct 14 17:44:29 2014
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 17:44:29 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows Update
In-Reply-To: <1413319169522.73036@cactus.dk>
References: <1413319169522.73036@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <CAJ2R_pJK8LWETdyekYn4bna0m3tkWO5NJOfeAgNKHSLwNWNqwg@mail.gmail.com>

Wow.  Thanks for the warning.

GK

On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 3:39 PM, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
> Hi all
>
>
>
> A new top this week?
>
> 983 MB for Win8.1 and Office 2013 and VS.
>
>
>
> /gustav
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-- 
Gary Kjos
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Oct 14 20:10:20 2014
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 19:10:20 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows Update
In-Reply-To: <1413319169522.73036@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <1959410601.19109689.1413335420849.JavaMail.root@cds018>

Hi Gustav:

Maybe it is a rebuilt that will turn Win8.x into Win10?

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 1:39:30 PM
Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows Update

Hi all



A new top this week?

983 MB for Win8.1 and Office 2013 and VS.



/gustav
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Oct 15 02:41:20 2014
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 07:41:20 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows Update
Message-ID: <50ecc020c90f4c78839c3b4d02de9f70@AMSPR06MB357.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Jim

Njah - too early for that.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Jim Lawrence
Sendt: 15. oktober 2014 03:10
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows Update

Hi Gustav:

Maybe it is a rebuilt that will turn Win8.x into Win10?

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 1:39:30 PM
Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows Update

Hi all



A new top this week?

983 MB for Win8.1 and Office 2013 and VS.



/gustav 


From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Oct 15 12:51:54 2014
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 11:51:54 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows Update
In-Reply-To: <50ecc020c90f4c78839c3b4d02de9f70@AMSPR06MB357.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <465443408.19673619.1413395514012.JavaMail.root@cds018>

Hi Gustav:

You are just the man to answer some of my Windows10 (Win8.x) questions. 

I was playing with Win10 yesterday and it was not working as I would think it should:

1. It couldn't find most of the computers on the network. It did find a few but I have no idea of the criteria used. It didn't even find the server with the AD. It did find a Linux computer but not all of them. Maybe it is because that I have been unable to find where I should change DNS settings and be able to set the appropriate credentials? An XP laptop was ignored, a Win7 station and laptop was ignored and even two Window enterprise server 2008 were lost...not to mention, two other Linux boxes were avoid; server and station. 

2. Sometimes, the list of computers that the system did show would allow displaying on the shares, sometimes not.

3. Attaching the printers was a dismal. It would not display any network printers, would not accept direct IP addresses and/or names and had so few printer options as to make setting up printers, even if they could be attached as not possible. The final insult was when the printer services froze and had to be unlocked via the taskmanager.

I know this package is just a beta so some slack should be given but I should not be having so many issues, when just establishing the basics. In comparison, the last Linux station I installed, found all the computers, shares, printers, networks (DNS or Workgroups...network or wi-fi), found the active directory and was even immediately listed on the router. It suggested the appropriate printer drivers for both the network and even the shared pass-through printers that were hung off other stations. The functionality is not obvious or automatic. If I am having these problems I can not imagine what a user in a small office would feel like. 

On the upside, the Win10 is a lot prettier (the taskmanager is really nicely laid out) and getting at its features are a lot easier...the GUI looks really nice....could be a winner.
 
Any help you can provide would be greatly appreciated.

Jim        

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 12:41:20 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows Update

Hi Jim

Njah - too early for that.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Jim Lawrence
Sendt: 15. oktober 2014 03:10
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows Update

Hi Gustav:

Maybe it is a rebuilt that will turn Win8.x into Win10?

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 1:39:30 PM
Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows Update

Hi all



A new top this week?

983 MB for Win8.1 and Office 2013 and VS.



/gustav 

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From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Oct 15 14:23:08 2014
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 19:23:08 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows Update
In-Reply-To: <465443408.19673619.1413395514012.JavaMail.root@cds018>
References: <50ecc020c90f4c78839c3b4d02de9f70@AMSPR06MB357.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>,
	<465443408.19673619.1413395514012.JavaMail.root@cds018>
Message-ID: <1413400988366.80354@cactus.dk>

Hi Jim

I can't tell - except that you may miss to turn on Network discovery and sharing.

My Win10 finds at once a dozen or so servers and workstations from both sites of our domain. Printers, however, seem limited (with a domain user account login) to the local site only, which is OK. All our printers are attached to printer servers.
If I use a domain admin account and go to Control Panel, Printers and search for printers in the cataloque, all printers are listed at once.

What you see, reminds me of the days of Windows for Workgroups where servers/PCs could come and go.

/gustav

________________________________________
Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com <dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> p? vegne af Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca>
Sendt: 15. oktober 2014 19:51
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows Update

Hi Gustav:

You are just the man to answer some of my Windows10 (Win8.x) questions.

I was playing with Win10 yesterday and it was not working as I would think it should:

1. It couldn't find most of the computers on the network. It did find a few but I have no idea of the criteria used. It didn't even find the server with the AD. It did find a Linux computer but not all of them. Maybe it is because that I have been unable to find where I should change DNS settings and be able to set the appropriate credentials? An XP laptop was ignored, a Win7 station and laptop was ignored and even two Window enterprise server 2008 were lost...not to mention, two other Linux boxes were avoid; server and station.

2. Sometimes, the list of computers that the system did show would allow displaying on the shares, sometimes not.

3. Attaching the printers was a dismal. It would not display any network printers, would not accept direct IP addresses and/or names and had so few printer options as to make setting up printers, even if they could be attached as not possible. The final insult was when the printer services froze and had to be unlocked via the taskmanager.

I know this package is just a beta so some slack should be given but I should not be having so many issues, when just establishing the basics. In comparison, the last Linux station I installed, found all the computers, shares, printers, networks (DNS or Workgroups...network or wi-fi), found the active directory and was even immediately listed on the router. It suggested the appropriate printer drivers for both the network and even the shared pass-through printers that were hung off other stations. The functionality is not obvious or automatic. If I am having these problems I can not imagine what a user in a small office would feel like.

On the upside, the Win10 is a lot prettier (the taskmanager is really nicely laid out) and getting at its features are a lot easier...the GUI looks really nice....could be a winner.

Any help you can provide would be greatly appreciated.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 12:41:20 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows Update

Hi Jim

Njah - too early for that.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Jim Lawrence
Sendt: 15. oktober 2014 03:10
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows Update

Hi Gustav:

Maybe it is a rebuilt that will turn Win8.x into Win10?

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 1:39:30 PM
Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows Update

Hi all



A new top this week?

983 MB for Win8.1 and Office 2013 and VS.



/gustav

From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Oct 16 14:26:32 2014
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2014 13:26:32 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Give your Linux a Mac makeover
In-Reply-To: <1413400988366.80354@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <2068593890.20660132.1413487592148.JavaMail.root@cds018>

Hi Stephen:

I have been running the app Cairo-Dock on my Linux and it an exact copy of the Macs menus. It is a bit of a pig (written in python?) though for some reason but I am sure a good 64Bit rig with 8GB of RAM will dismiss that concern. Docky does take a smaller footprint, has more features (like questers) and is aimed more towards tablets and phablets.

I have been looking at the latest developments that are being currently worked on in the Ubuntu camp and I think they are quite impressive. The new desktop is aimed at allowing developers to easily add their product into the new structure and this new structure will allow the GUI to easily adapt to any hardware...phones, tablets, desktops. Check the following video out:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qRG7EYHW54

Jim

From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Oct 17 16:27:33 2014
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2014 15:27:33 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows Update
In-Reply-To: <1413400988366.80354@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <1458567074.21696406.1413581253691.JavaMail.root@cds018>

Hi Gustav:

The main issue appears to be that a user can access a network address once but not again. This has happened, on other systems, when a crash scenario takes place and a hidden temporary credential file is left open and it has to be removed before a new successful connection, of the same address, can take place...this luckily is very rare. I have been looking for this/these file(s) but have not yet found it/them, on Windows10. Unfortunately, there can be no networking until they are found and deleted.

I have been adding the network addresses directly into the system's host file and now some of the reluctant desktop and server connections are appearing. There of course should be a better way through "PC settings" but I have not yet discovered it.

Question: How can either a DNS or new workgroup (workplace) be added?

Jim      

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 12:23:08 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows Update

Hi Jim

I can't tell - except that you may miss to turn on Network discovery and sharing.

My Win10 finds at once a dozen or so servers and workstations from both sites of our domain. Printers, however, seem limited (with a domain user account login) to the local site only, which is OK. All our printers are attached to printer servers.
If I use a domain admin account and go to Control Panel, Printers and search for printers in the cataloque, all printers are listed at once.

What you see, reminds me of the days of Windows for Workgroups where servers/PCs could come and go.

/gustav

________________________________________
Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com <dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> p? vegne af Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca>
Sendt: 15. oktober 2014 19:51
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows Update

Hi Gustav:

You are just the man to answer some of my Windows10 (Win8.x) questions.

I was playing with Win10 yesterday and it was not working as I would think it should:

1. It couldn't find most of the computers on the network. It did find a few but I have no idea of the criteria used. It didn't even find the server with the AD. It did find a Linux computer but not all of them. Maybe it is because that I have been unable to find where I should change DNS settings and be able to set the appropriate credentials? An XP laptop was ignored, a Win7 station and laptop was ignored and even two Window enterprise server 2008 were lost...not to mention, two other Linux boxes were avoid; server and station.

2. Sometimes, the list of computers that the system did show would allow displaying on the shares, sometimes not.

3. Attaching the printers was a dismal. It would not display any network printers, would not accept direct IP addresses and/or names and had so few printer options as to make setting up printers, even if they could be attached as not possible. The final insult was when the printer services froze and had to be unlocked via the taskmanager.

I know this package is just a beta so some slack should be given but I should not be having so many issues, when just establishing the basics. In comparison, the last Linux station I installed, found all the computers, shares, printers, networks (DNS or Workgroups...network or wi-fi), found the active directory and was even immediately listed on the router. It suggested the appropriate printer drivers for both the network and even the shared pass-through printers that were hung off other stations. The functionality is not obvious or automatic. If I am having these problems I can not imagine what a user in a small office would feel like.

On the upside, the Win10 is a lot prettier (the taskmanager is really nicely laid out) and getting at its features are a lot easier...the GUI looks really nice....could be a winner.

Any help you can provide would be greatly appreciated.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 12:41:20 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows Update

Hi Jim

Njah - too early for that.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Jim Lawrence
Sendt: 15. oktober 2014 03:10
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows Update

Hi Gustav:

Maybe it is a rebuilt that will turn Win8.x into Win10?

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 1:39:30 PM
Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows Update

Hi all



A new top this week?

983 MB for Win8.1 and Office 2013 and VS.



/gustav
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Oct 17 17:01:02 2014
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2014 22:01:02 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows Update
In-Reply-To: <1458567074.21696406.1413581253691.JavaMail.root@cds018>
References: <1413400988366.80354@cactus.dk>,
	<1458567074.21696406.1413581253691.JavaMail.root@cds018>
Message-ID: <1413583261655.57546@cactus.dk>

Hi Jim

I've never heard of such issues. On the other hand, I do all testing connecting to our AD; then DNS etc. are assigned by the login script, so it always works. I never touch the hostfile.

/gustav

________________________________________
Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com <dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> p? vegne af Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca>
Sendt: 17. oktober 2014 23:27
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows Update

Hi Gustav:

The main issue appears to be that a user can access a network address once but not again. This has happened, on other systems, when a crash scenario takes place and a hidden temporary credential file is left open and it has to be removed before a new successful connection, of the same address, can take place...this luckily is very rare. I have been looking for this/these file(s) but have not yet found it/them, on Windows10. Unfortunately, there can be no networking until they are found and deleted.

I have been adding the network addresses directly into the system's host file and now some of the reluctant desktop and server connections are appearing. There of course should be a better way through "PC settings" but I have not yet discovered it.

Question: How can either a DNS or new workgroup (workplace) be added?

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 12:23:08 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows Update

Hi Jim

I can't tell - except that you may miss to turn on Network discovery and sharing.

My Win10 finds at once a dozen or so servers and workstations from both sites of our domain. Printers, however, seem limited (with a domain user account login) to the local site only, which is OK. All our printers are attached to printer servers.
If I use a domain admin account and go to Control Panel, Printers and search for printers in the cataloque, all printers are listed at once.

What you see, reminds me of the days of Windows for Workgroups where servers/PCs could come and go.

/gustav

________________________________________
Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com <dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> p? vegne af Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca>
Sendt: 15. oktober 2014 19:51
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows Update

Hi Gustav:

You are just the man to answer some of my Windows10 (Win8.x) questions.

I was playing with Win10 yesterday and it was not working as I would think it should:

1. It couldn't find most of the computers on the network. It did find a few but I have no idea of the criteria used. It didn't even find the server with the AD. It did find a Linux computer but not all of them. Maybe it is because that I have been unable to find where I should change DNS settings and be able to set the appropriate credentials? An XP laptop was ignored, a Win7 station and laptop was ignored and even two Window enterprise server 2008 were lost...not to mention, two other Linux boxes were avoid; server and station.

2. Sometimes, the list of computers that the system did show would allow displaying on the shares, sometimes not.

3. Attaching the printers was a dismal. It would not display any network printers, would not accept direct IP addresses and/or names and had so few printer options as to make setting up printers, even if they could be attached as not possible. The final insult was when the printer services froze and had to be unlocked via the taskmanager.

I know this package is just a beta so some slack should be given but I should not be having so many issues, when just establishing the basics. In comparison, the last Linux station I installed, found all the computers, shares, printers, networks (DNS or Workgroups...network or wi-fi), found the active directory and was even immediately listed on the router. It suggested the appropriate printer drivers for both the network and even the shared pass-through printers that were hung off other stations. The functionality is not obvious or automatic. If I am having these problems I can not imagine what a user in a small office would feel like.

On the upside, the Win10 is a lot prettier (the taskmanager is really nicely laid out) and getting at its features are a lot easier...the GUI looks really nice....could be a winner.

Any help you can provide would be greatly appreciated.

Jim

From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Fri Oct 17 17:32:57 2014
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2014 18:32:57 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] A Linux Printer Setup Question
Message-ID: <54419919.9090904@torchlake.com>

Hi Colleagues,

I'm working my way through the Intro to Linux course at edX.org. I'm at 
the point where they're teaching about setting up a printer. The 
instructions tell me to indicate the host where the network printer is 
to be found.  However, I have no idea what is meant here by "host."

My Ubuntu is in a VMWare virtual machine.  I want to connect it to the 
printer on my network.  The printer is cabled to the router in my 
office.  What is the host?  What am I really looking for?

Thanks,
TNF

-- 
Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
231-322-2787


From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Oct 17 21:21:41 2014
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2014 20:21:41 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows Update
In-Reply-To: <1413583261655.57546@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <858946253.21866391.1413598901450.JavaMail.root@cds018>

Hi Gustav:

Would you have a script that I could take a look at? If you don't think that is a good idea, fine but if its OK, sent it either online or offline. :-)

Jim   

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, October 17, 2014 3:01:02 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows Update

Hi Jim

I've never heard of such issues. On the other hand, I do all testing connecting to our AD; then DNS etc. are assigned by the login script, so it always works. I never touch the hostfile.

/gustav

________________________________________
Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com <dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> p? vegne af Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca>
Sendt: 17. oktober 2014 23:27
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows Update

Hi Gustav:

The main issue appears to be that a user can access a network address once but not again. This has happened, on other systems, when a crash scenario takes place and a hidden temporary credential file is left open and it has to be removed before a new successful connection, of the same address, can take place...this luckily is very rare. I have been looking for this/these file(s) but have not yet found it/them, on Windows10. Unfortunately, there can be no networking until they are found and deleted.

I have been adding the network addresses directly into the system's host file and now some of the reluctant desktop and server connections are appearing. There of course should be a better way through "PC settings" but I have not yet discovered it.

Question: How can either a DNS or new workgroup (workplace) be added?

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 12:23:08 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows Update

Hi Jim

I can't tell - except that you may miss to turn on Network discovery and sharing.

My Win10 finds at once a dozen or so servers and workstations from both sites of our domain. Printers, however, seem limited (with a domain user account login) to the local site only, which is OK. All our printers are attached to printer servers.
If I use a domain admin account and go to Control Panel, Printers and search for printers in the cataloque, all printers are listed at once.

What you see, reminds me of the days of Windows for Workgroups where servers/PCs could come and go.

/gustav

________________________________________
Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com <dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> p? vegne af Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca>
Sendt: 15. oktober 2014 19:51
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows Update

Hi Gustav:

You are just the man to answer some of my Windows10 (Win8.x) questions.

I was playing with Win10 yesterday and it was not working as I would think it should:

1. It couldn't find most of the computers on the network. It did find a few but I have no idea of the criteria used. It didn't even find the server with the AD. It did find a Linux computer but not all of them. Maybe it is because that I have been unable to find where I should change DNS settings and be able to set the appropriate credentials? An XP laptop was ignored, a Win7 station and laptop was ignored and even two Window enterprise server 2008 were lost...not to mention, two other Linux boxes were avoid; server and station.

2. Sometimes, the list of computers that the system did show would allow displaying on the shares, sometimes not.

3. Attaching the printers was a dismal. It would not display any network printers, would not accept direct IP addresses and/or names and had so few printer options as to make setting up printers, even if they could be attached as not possible. The final insult was when the printer services froze and had to be unlocked via the taskmanager.

I know this package is just a beta so some slack should be given but I should not be having so many issues, when just establishing the basics. In comparison, the last Linux station I installed, found all the computers, shares, printers, networks (DNS or Workgroups...network or wi-fi), found the active directory and was even immediately listed on the router. It suggested the appropriate printer drivers for both the network and even the shared pass-through printers that were hung off other stations. The functionality is not obvious or automatic. If I am having these problems I can not imagine what a user in a small office would feel like.

On the upside, the Win10 is a lot prettier (the taskmanager is really nicely laid out) and getting at its features are a lot easier...the GUI looks really nice....could be a winner.

Any help you can provide would be greatly appreciated.

Jim
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Sat Oct 18 03:11:24 2014
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2014 08:11:24 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] A Linux Printer Setup Question
In-Reply-To: <54419919.9090904@torchlake.com>
References: <54419919.9090904@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <1413619883877.87141@cactus.dk>

Hi Tina

Linux people never learn to speak human. On the other hand, as you have worked your way through this course, it's a bit strange that you haven't met this fundamental item.

A host is a device on your network. It has an IP address and often a name, the hostname.

You could run a DNS server where the hosts are listed by name like HPLASER4, but that is rare for small setups. Thus, in your case, the host is the IP address of the printer - or rather its built-in printer server that controls the physical printer. Such a combo is called a network printer. In the old days, a printer had a parallel and/serial connection and connected to the network via an external printer server. This could be a PC or a dedicated physical box.

Nowadays some routers can act as a printer server. You connect via USB the physical printer to the router, and configures this to present the printer as a networked printer by a hostname of your choice. The IP address will be that of the router (your gateway IP address of your workstations).

/gustav
________________________________________
Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com <dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> p? vegne af Tina Norris Fields <tinanfields at torchlake.com>
Sendt: 18. oktober 2014 00:32
Til: DatabaseAdvisors-Tech; Off Topic
Emne: [dba-Tech] A Linux Printer Setup Question

Hi Colleagues,

I'm working my way through the Intro to Linux course at edX.org. I'm at
the point where they're teaching about setting up a printer. The
instructions tell me to indicate the host where the network printer is
to be found.  However, I have no idea what is meant here by "host."

My Ubuntu is in a VMWare virtual machine.  I want to connect it to the
printer on my network.  The printer is cabled to the router in my
office.  What is the host?  What am I really looking for?

Thanks,
TNF

--
Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
231-322-2787


From gustav at cactus.dk  Sat Oct 18 03:34:18 2014
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2014 08:34:18 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows Update
In-Reply-To: <858946253.21866391.1413598901450.JavaMail.root@cds018>
References: <1413583261655.57546@cactus.dk>,
	<858946253.21866391.1413598901450.JavaMail.root@cds018>
Message-ID: <1413621257404.59801@cactus.dk>

Hi Jim

Sure. Nothing fancy:

<vbscript>
Option Explicit

' Main script

  Dim strNetBIOSDomain
  Dim strNTName
  Dim strNTPath
  Dim strNTProvider
  Dim varNull
  Dim IsMemberOfCactusData
  Dim IsMemberOfTeamCactus

  Dim objShell
  Dim objNetwork
  Dim objGroupNames

  Set objShell = CreateObject("WScript.Shell")
  Set objNetwork = CreateObject("Wscript.Network")

  strNetBIOSDomain = EnvString("userdomain")
  strNTName = EnvString("username")
  strNTPath = strNetBIOSDomain & "/" & strNTName
  strNTProvider = "WinNT://" & strNTPath

  IsMemberOfCactusData = IsMemberOfGroup("CactusData")
  IsMemberOfTeamCactus = IsMemberOfGroup("TeamCactus")

  If IsMemberOfTeamCactus Then
    Call MapDrive("i", "\\cactus.dom\cactus data\inst")
    Call MapDrive("s", "\\cactus.dom\cactus data\data\database")
    Call MapDrive("t", "\\cactus.dom\cactus data\data\document")
    Call MapDrive("u", "\\cactus.dom\cactus data\data\internal\privat")
  ElseIf IsMemberOfCactusData Then
    Call MapDrive("i", "\\cactus.dom\cactus data\inst")
    'Call MapDrive("n", "\\cactus.dom\cactus data\data")
    Call MapDrive("p", "\\cactus.dom\cactus data\data\internal")
    Call MapDrive("r", "\\cactus.dom\cactus data\data\codebase")
    Call MapDrive("s", "\\cactus.dom\cactus data\data\database")
    Call MapDrive("t", "\\cactus.dom\cactus data\data\document")
    Call MapDrive("u", "\\cactus.dom\cactus data\data\internal\privat")
  ElseIf LCase(strNTName) = "skan" Then
    Call MapDrive("i", "\\cactus.dom\cactus data\inst")
    Call MapDrive("t", "\\cactus.dom\cactus data\data\document")
  ElseIf LCase(strNTName) = "backuser" Then
    Call MapDrive("i", "\\sanzibar\inst")
    Call MapDrive("m", "\\sanzibar\data")
  Else
    Call MapDrive("i", "\\cactus.dom\cactus data\inst")
    Call MapDrive("s", "\\cactus.dom\cactus data\data\database")
    Call MapDrive("t", "\\cactus.dom\cactus data\data\document")
    Call MapDrive("u", "\\cactus.dom\cactus data\data\internal\privat")
  End If
  If LCase(strNTName) = "gustav" Or LCase(strNTName) = "cactus" Then
    Call MapDrive("q", "\\cactus.dom\cactus data\data\external")
  End If

  varNull = objGroupNames.RemoveAll()
  Set objGroupNames = Nothing
  Set objNetwork = Nothing
  Set objShell = Nothing

' End script
' -----------------------------------------------------

Private Sub MapDrive(strDriveLetter, strUNC)
' Map a drive to strUNC.
'''    On Error Resume Next
    strDriveLetter = Chr(Asc(strDriveLetter)) & ":"
    objNetwork.MapNetworkDrive strDriveLetter, strUNC
    If (Err.Number <> 0) Then
        On Error GoTo 0
        objNetwork.RemoveNetworkDrive strDriveLetter, True, True
        objNetwork.MapNetworkDrive strDriveLetter, strUNC
    End If
    On Error GoTo 0

End Sub
 

Private Function IsMemberOfGroup(strGroupName)
' Checks if the current user is a group member of groupName.

    Dim objUser
    Dim objGroup

    If IsEmpty(objGroupNames) Then
        Set objGroupNames = CreateObject("Scripting.Dictionary")
        objGroupNames.CompareMode = vbTextCompare
        Set objUser = GetObject(strNTProvider & ",user")
        For Each objGroup in objUser.Groups
            objGroupNames.Add objGroup.Name, True
        Next
        Set objGroup = Nothing
        Set objUser = Nothing
    End if

    IsMemberOfGroup = CBool(objGroupNames.Exists(strGroupName))

End Function


Private Function EnvString(strEnvironmentVariable)
' Returns the value from Environment of the environment variable strEnvironmentVariable.

    strEnvironmentVariable = "%" & strEnvironmentVariable & "%"
    EnvString = objShell.ExpandEnvironmentStrings(strEnvironmentVariable)

End Function
</vbscript>

/gustav
________________________________________
Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com <dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> p? vegne af Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca>
Sendt: 18. oktober 2014 04:21
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows Update

Hi Gustav:

Would you have a script that I could take a look at? If you don't think that is a good idea, fine but if its OK, sent it either online or offline. :-)

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, October 17, 2014 3:01:02 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows Update

Hi Jim

I've never heard of such issues. On the other hand, I do all testing connecting to our AD; then DNS etc. are assigned by the login script, so it always works. I never touch the hostfile.

/gustav

From accessd at shaw.ca  Sat Oct 18 14:34:52 2014
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2014 13:34:52 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows Update
In-Reply-To: <1413621257404.59801@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <121010494.22257759.1413660892425.JavaMail.root@cds018>

HI Gustav:

Thanks for the scripts. 

It looks pretty straightforward but I would guess an installation of VS express would be required? Would there be a powertools equivalent for a new POS system install?  This code appears to assume that all particulars are in place...can it assign/setup the appropriate credentials to new unconfigured station being added to existing or new network or is that too complex of a task?

Jim   

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2014 1:34:18 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows Update

Hi Jim

Sure. Nothing fancy:

<vbscript>
Option Explicit

' Main script

  Dim strNetBIOSDomain
  Dim strNTName
  Dim strNTPath
  Dim strNTProvider
  Dim varNull
  Dim IsMemberOfCactusData
  Dim IsMemberOfTeamCactus

  Dim objShell
  Dim objNetwork
  Dim objGroupNames

  Set objShell = CreateObject("WScript.Shell")
  Set objNetwork = CreateObject("Wscript.Network")

  strNetBIOSDomain = EnvString("userdomain")
  strNTName = EnvString("username")
  strNTPath = strNetBIOSDomain & "/" & strNTName
  strNTProvider = "WinNT://" & strNTPath

  IsMemberOfCactusData = IsMemberOfGroup("CactusData")
  IsMemberOfTeamCactus = IsMemberOfGroup("TeamCactus")

  If IsMemberOfTeamCactus Then
    Call MapDrive("i", "\\cactus.dom\cactus data\inst")
    Call MapDrive("s", "\\cactus.dom\cactus data\data\database")
    Call MapDrive("t", "\\cactus.dom\cactus data\data\document")
    Call MapDrive("u", "\\cactus.dom\cactus data\data\internal\privat")
  ElseIf IsMemberOfCactusData Then
    Call MapDrive("i", "\\cactus.dom\cactus data\inst")
    'Call MapDrive("n", "\\cactus.dom\cactus data\data")
    Call MapDrive("p", "\\cactus.dom\cactus data\data\internal")
    Call MapDrive("r", "\\cactus.dom\cactus data\data\codebase")
    Call MapDrive("s", "\\cactus.dom\cactus data\data\database")
    Call MapDrive("t", "\\cactus.dom\cactus data\data\document")
    Call MapDrive("u", "\\cactus.dom\cactus data\data\internal\privat")
  ElseIf LCase(strNTName) = "skan" Then
    Call MapDrive("i", "\\cactus.dom\cactus data\inst")
    Call MapDrive("t", "\\cactus.dom\cactus data\data\document")
  ElseIf LCase(strNTName) = "backuser" Then
    Call MapDrive("i", "\\sanzibar\inst")
    Call MapDrive("m", "\\sanzibar\data")
  Else
    Call MapDrive("i", "\\cactus.dom\cactus data\inst")
    Call MapDrive("s", "\\cactus.dom\cactus data\data\database")
    Call MapDrive("t", "\\cactus.dom\cactus data\data\document")
    Call MapDrive("u", "\\cactus.dom\cactus data\data\internal\privat")
  End If
  If LCase(strNTName) = "gustav" Or LCase(strNTName) = "cactus" Then
    Call MapDrive("q", "\\cactus.dom\cactus data\data\external")
  End If

  varNull = objGroupNames.RemoveAll()
  Set objGroupNames = Nothing
  Set objNetwork = Nothing
  Set objShell = Nothing

' End script
' -----------------------------------------------------

Private Sub MapDrive(strDriveLetter, strUNC)
' Map a drive to strUNC.
'''    On Error Resume Next
    strDriveLetter = Chr(Asc(strDriveLetter)) & ":"
    objNetwork.MapNetworkDrive strDriveLetter, strUNC
    If (Err.Number <> 0) Then
        On Error GoTo 0
        objNetwork.RemoveNetworkDrive strDriveLetter, True, True
        objNetwork.MapNetworkDrive strDriveLetter, strUNC
    End If
    On Error GoTo 0

End Sub
 

Private Function IsMemberOfGroup(strGroupName)
' Checks if the current user is a group member of groupName.

    Dim objUser
    Dim objGroup

    If IsEmpty(objGroupNames) Then
        Set objGroupNames = CreateObject("Scripting.Dictionary")
        objGroupNames.CompareMode = vbTextCompare
        Set objUser = GetObject(strNTProvider & ",user")
        For Each objGroup in objUser.Groups
            objGroupNames.Add objGroup.Name, True
        Next
        Set objGroup = Nothing
        Set objUser = Nothing
    End if

    IsMemberOfGroup = CBool(objGroupNames.Exists(strGroupName))

End Function


Private Function EnvString(strEnvironmentVariable)
' Returns the value from Environment of the environment variable strEnvironmentVariable.

    strEnvironmentVariable = "%" & strEnvironmentVariable & "%"
    EnvString = objShell.ExpandEnvironmentStrings(strEnvironmentVariable)

End Function
</vbscript>

/gustav
________________________________________
Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com <dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> p? vegne af Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca>
Sendt: 18. oktober 2014 04:21
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows Update

Hi Gustav:

Would you have a script that I could take a look at? If you don't think that is a good idea, fine but if its OK, sent it either online or offline. :-)

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, October 17, 2014 3:01:02 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows Update

Hi Jim

I've never heard of such issues. On the other hand, I do all testing connecting to our AD; then DNS etc. are assigned by the login script, so it always works. I never touch the hostfile.

/gustav
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From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Sat Oct 18 14:54:30 2014
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2014 15:54:30 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] A Linux Printer Setup Question
In-Reply-To: <1413619883877.87141@cactus.dk>
References: <54419919.9090904@torchlake.com> <1413619883877.87141@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <5442C576.7080803@torchlake.com>

Ah, thank you, Gustav, for pointing me in the right direction.  As it 
happens, in this course - I'm in chapter 14 of 18 - the idea of a host 
other than the localhost to which the VM is connected, had never come up 
until this moment.  I do have CUPS installed.  The video demo was 
showing how to add a network printer and it said to enter the host 
name.  Ah, what was to be the host?  Was it the localhost?  Nope.  It 
shouldn't be my physical computer I would think, since I'm not using it 
as a printer server.  But, now, I will look to the router and to the 
printer itself.  Thanks.
TNF

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
231-322-2787

On 10/18/2014 4:11 AM, Gustav Brock wrote:
> Hi Tina
>
> Linux people never learn to speak human. On the other hand, as you have worked your way through this course, it's a bit strange that you haven't met this fundamental item.
>
> A host is a device on your network. It has an IP address and often a name, the hostname.
>
> You could run a DNS server where the hosts are listed by name like HPLASER4, but that is rare for small setups. Thus, in your case, the host is the IP address of the printer - or rather its built-in printer server that controls the physical printer. Such a combo is called a network printer. In the old days, a printer had a parallel and/serial connection and connected to the network via an external printer server. This could be a PC or a dedicated physical box.
>
> Nowadays some routers can act as a printer server. You connect via USB the physical printer to the router, and configures this to present the printer as a networked printer by a hostname of your choice. The IP address will be that of the router (your gateway IP address of your workstations).
>
> /gustav
> ________________________________________
> Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com <dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> p? vegne af Tina Norris Fields <tinanfields at torchlake.com>
> Sendt: 18. oktober 2014 00:32
> Til: DatabaseAdvisors-Tech; Off Topic
> Emne: [dba-Tech] A Linux Printer Setup Question
>
> Hi Colleagues,
>
> I'm working my way through the Intro to Linux course at edX.org. I'm at
> the point where they're teaching about setting up a printer. The
> instructions tell me to indicate the host where the network printer is
> to be found.  However, I have no idea what is meant here by "host."
>
> My Ubuntu is in a VMWare virtual machine.  I want to connect it to the
> printer on my network.  The printer is cabled to the router in my
> office.  What is the host?  What am I really looking for?
>
> Thanks,
> TNF
>
> --
> Tina Norris Fields
> tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
> 231-322-2787
>
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
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>


From gustav at cactus.dk  Sat Oct 18 15:01:19 2014
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2014 20:01:19 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows Update
In-Reply-To: <121010494.22257759.1413660892425.JavaMail.root@cds018>
References: <1413621257404.59801@cactus.dk>,
	<121010494.22257759.1413660892425.JavaMail.root@cds018>
Message-ID: <1413662478734.77140@cactus.dk>

Hi Jim

No, it runs good old VB script (.vbs) which is native to all newer Windows machines. These days you would use PowerShell for the purpose, but it works as is, and I'm lazy. And actually, it is one script only.

For a new workstation or OS install, nothing is needed other than - as a Domain Admin (me) - to join it to the domain - takes a few seconds - then any Domain User (me and all colleagues) can logon from the machine to the network straight away, and all standard drives are assigned by the script which runs as part of Group Policy. Printers could be assigned as well, but I don't do that, as the preferences are much different from user to user and/or machine to machine - server, workstation, laptop, Surface.

It took me a little, though less than expected, to set up Active Directory for our shop with two sites, but I can't tell how much time it has saved me during the years.

/gustav
________________________________________
Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com <dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> p? vegne af Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca>
Sendt: 18. oktober 2014 21:34
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows Update

HI Gustav:

Thanks for the scripts.

It looks pretty straightforward but I would guess an installation of VS express would be required? Would there be a powertools equivalent for a new POS system install?  This code appears to assume that all particulars are in place...can it assign/setup the appropriate credentials to new unconfigured station being added to existing or new network or is that too complex of a task?

Jim

From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Sat Oct 18 15:17:18 2014
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2014 16:17:18 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] A Linux Printer Setup Question
In-Reply-To: <1413619883877.87141@cactus.dk>
References: <54419919.9090904@torchlake.com> <1413619883877.87141@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <5442CACE.3010003@torchlake.com>

Hi again, Gustav,

Okay, I got it.  The router assigned a network name to the printer 
(cn141bq50f), which turned out to be exactly what the printer setup 
screen was looking for.  Printer configured and printing correctly from 
inside my Ubuntu VM, now.  Thanks again,

TNF

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
231-322-2787

On 10/18/2014 4:11 AM, Gustav Brock wrote:
> Hi Tina
>
> Linux people never learn to speak human. On the other hand, as you have worked your way through this course, it's a bit strange that you haven't met this fundamental item.
>
> A host is a device on your network. It has an IP address and often a name, the hostname.
>
> You could run a DNS server where the hosts are listed by name like HPLASER4, but that is rare for small setups. Thus, in your case, the host is the IP address of the printer - or rather its built-in printer server that controls the physical printer. Such a combo is called a network printer. In the old days, a printer had a parallel and/serial connection and connected to the network via an external printer server. This could be a PC or a dedicated physical box.
>
> Nowadays some routers can act as a printer server. You connect via USB the physical printer to the router, and configures this to present the printer as a networked printer by a hostname of your choice. The IP address will be that of the router (your gateway IP address of your workstations).
>
> /gustav
> ________________________________________
> Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com <dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> p? vegne af Tina Norris Fields <tinanfields at torchlake.com>
> Sendt: 18. oktober 2014 00:32
> Til: DatabaseAdvisors-Tech; Off Topic
> Emne: [dba-Tech] A Linux Printer Setup Question
>
> Hi Colleagues,
>
> I'm working my way through the Intro to Linux course at edX.org. I'm at
> the point where they're teaching about setting up a printer. The
> instructions tell me to indicate the host where the network printer is
> to be found.  However, I have no idea what is meant here by "host."
>
> My Ubuntu is in a VMWare virtual machine.  I want to connect it to the
> printer on my network.  The printer is cabled to the router in my
> office.  What is the host?  What am I really looking for?
>
> Thanks,
> TNF
>
> --
> Tina Norris Fields
> tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
> 231-322-2787
>
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>


From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Mon Oct 20 04:12:42 2014
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2014 13:12:42 +0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?=22Search_App_by_Ask=22_Add-On_-_how_to_remo?=
 =?utf-8?q?ve_it_from_IE_11=3F?=
Message-ID: <1413796362.23495134@f319.i.mail.ru>

 Hi All --

I have somehow got the subject add-on.?

I have got it disabled but totally removing it from IE 11 seems to be a tricky procedure, which isn't available from IE11's "Tools -> Manage Add-Ons" entry.

I have started IE 11 via command line:

iexplore.exe -extoff

and I have gone directly to "Manage Add-On". Still no way to remove the subject add-on.

Could you please advise how to remove it?

Thank you.

-- 
???????????? ??????

From gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Oct 20 04:18:00 2014
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2014 09:18:00 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] "Search App by Ask" Add-On - how to remove it from
 IE 11?
In-Reply-To: <1413796362.23495134@f319.i.mail.ru>
References: <1413796362.23495134@f319.i.mail.ru>
Message-ID: <d6a7314a578044c2ab354e49141a575f@AMSPR06MB357.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Shamil

I think you need to go to Control Panel, Programs and there run the uninstall.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Salakhetdinov Shamil
Sendt: 20. oktober 2014 11:13
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Emne: [dba-Tech] "Search App by Ask" Add-On - how to remove it from IE 11?

 Hi All --

I have somehow got the subject add-on.?

I have got it disabled but totally removing it from IE 11 seems to be a tricky procedure, which isn't available from IE11's "Tools -> Manage Add-Ons" entry.

I have started IE 11 via command line:

iexplore.exe -extoff

and I have gone directly to "Manage Add-On". Still no way to remove the subject add-on.

Could you please advise how to remove it?

Thank you.

-- 
???????????? ?????? 


From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Mon Oct 20 04:58:48 2014
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2014 13:58:48 +0400
Subject: [dba-Tech]
 =?utf-8?q?=22Search_App_by_Ask=22_Add-On_-_how_to_remo?=
 =?utf-8?q?ve_it_from_IE_11=3F?=
In-Reply-To: <d6a7314a578044c2ab354e49141a575f@AMSPR06MB357.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
References: <1413796362.23495134@f319.i.mail.ru>
	<d6a7314a578044c2ab354e49141a575f@AMSPR06MB357.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <1413799128.894137966@f34.i.mail.ru>

 Hi Gustav --

:)

Yes, you're right. Thank you.
I somehow missed to go this simplest route first of all - I was confused by the way this add-in was installed and I thought its authors use some tricky ways to "deadly hook" to IE11.

-- Shamil


Mon, 20 Oct 2014 09:18:00 +0000 from Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk>:
>Hi Shamil
>
>I think you need to go to Control Panel, Programs and there run the uninstall.
>
>/gustav
>
>-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
>Fra:  dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Salakhetdinov Shamil
>Sendt: 20. oktober 2014 11:13
>Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>Emne: [dba-Tech] "Search App by Ask" Add-On - how to remove it from IE 11?
>
>?Hi All --
>
>I have somehow got the subject add-on.?
>
>I have got it disabled but totally removing it from IE 11 seems to be a tricky procedure, which isn't available from IE11's "Tools -> Manage Add-Ons" entry.
>
>I have started IE 11 via command line:
>
>iexplore.exe -extoff
>
>and I have gone directly to "Manage Add-On". Still no way to remove the subject add-on.
>
>Could you please advise how to remove it?
>
>Thank you.
>
>-- 
>???????????? ?????? 
>
>_______________________________________________
>dba-Tech mailing list
>dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
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>


From gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Oct 20 05:06:02 2014
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2014 10:06:02 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] "Search App by Ask" Add-On - how to remove it from
 IE 11?
Message-ID: <ed0fafdf2749470696c0dbcee6f6344c@AMSPR06MB357.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Shamil

No, AskSam is not truly malware, just "annoyware".

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Salakhetdinov Shamil
Sendt: 20. oktober 2014 11:59
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] "Search App by Ask" Add-On - how to remove it from IE 11?

 Hi Gustav --

:)

Yes, you're right. Thank you.
I somehow missed to go this simplest route first of all - I was confused by the way this add-in was installed and I thought its authors use some tricky ways to "deadly hook" to IE11.

-- Shamil


Mon, 20 Oct 2014 09:18:00 +0000 from Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk>:
>Hi Shamil
>
>I think you need to go to Control Panel, Programs and there run the uninstall.
>
>/gustav
>
>-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
>Fra:  dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Salakhetdinov Shamil
>Sendt: 20. oktober 2014 11:13
>Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>Emne: [dba-Tech] "Search App by Ask" Add-On - how to remove it from IE 11?
>
>?Hi All --
>
>I have somehow got the subject add-on.?
>
>I have got it disabled but totally removing it from IE 11 seems to be a tricky procedure, which isn't available from IE11's "Tools -> Manage Add-Ons" entry.
>
>I have started IE 11 via command line:
>
>iexplore.exe -extoff
>
>and I have gone directly to "Manage Add-On". Still no way to remove the subject add-on.
>
>Could you please advise how to remove it?
>
>Thank you.
>
>-- 
>???????????? ?????? 


From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Mon Oct 20 05:26:48 2014
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2014 14:26:48 +0400
Subject: [dba-Tech]
 =?utf-8?q?=22Search_App_by_Ask=22_Add-On_-_how_to_remo?=
 =?utf-8?q?ve_it_from_IE_11=3F?=
In-Reply-To: <ed0fafdf2749470696c0dbcee6f6344c@AMSPR06MB357.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
References: <ed0fafdf2749470696c0dbcee6f6344c@AMSPR06MB357.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <1413800808.171250684@f279.i.mail.ru>

 Hi Gustav --

Yes, it's "annoyware", and I can't remember I have installed it any time intentionally - I have probably got it while installing some trial software.

Thank you.

-- Shamil


Mon, 20 Oct 2014 10:06:02 +0000 from Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk>:
>Hi Shamil
>
>No, AskSam is not truly malware, just "annoyware".
>
>/gustav
>
>-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
>Fra:  dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Salakhetdinov Shamil
>Sendt: 20. oktober 2014 11:59
>Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] "Search App by Ask" Add-On - how to remove it from IE 11?
>
>?Hi Gustav --
>
>:)
>
>Yes, you're right. Thank you.
>I somehow missed to go this simplest route first of all - I was confused by the way this add-in was installed and I thought its authors use some tricky ways to "deadly hook" to IE11.
>
>-- Shamil
>
>
>Mon, 20 Oct 2014 09:18:00 +0000 from Gustav Brock < gustav at cactus.dk >:
>>Hi Shamil
>>
>>I think you need to go to Control Panel, Programs and there run the uninstall.
>>
>>/gustav
>>
>>-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
>>Fra:  dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Salakhetdinov Shamil
>>Sendt: 20. oktober 2014 11:13
>>Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>>Emne: [dba-Tech] "Search App by Ask" Add-On - how to remove it from IE 11?
>>
>>?Hi All --
>>
>>I have somehow got the subject add-on.?
>>
>>I have got it disabled but totally removing it from IE 11 seems to be a tricky procedure, which isn't available from IE11's "Tools -> Manage Add-Ons" entry.
>>
>>I have started IE 11 via command line:
>>
>>iexplore.exe -extoff
>>
>>and I have gone directly to "Manage Add-On". Still no way to remove the subject add-on.
>>
>>Could you please advise how to remove it?
>>
>>Thank you.
>>
>>-- 
>>???????????? ?????? 
>
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From jbartow at winhaven.net  Mon Oct 20 10:31:32 2014
From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2014 10:31:32 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] "Search App by Ask" Add-On - how to remove it from
	IE 11?
In-Reply-To: <1413800808.171250684@f279.i.mail.ru>
References: <ed0fafdf2749470696c0dbcee6f6344c@AMSPR06MB357.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
	<1413800808.171250684@f279.i.mail.ru>
Message-ID: <00de01cfec7a$ed5aa660$c80ff320$@winhaven.net>

Shamil,
I see it a lot. It comes prepackaged with many apps from a wide array of vendors. Two that I use that have included it In the past are Piriform's Ccleaner and Auslogic's Disk Defragmenter - both had it as an option during install. If the silent install option is used Ask Toolbar would get installed by default. I had used a script with silent install for both. Ccleaner now has updating built in and offer a 'slim' download which doesn't include any optional software. I turned the silent off for Auslogic's DD in order to avoid having to uninstall Ask Toolbar.
John B

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov Shamil
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2014 5:27 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] "Search App by Ask" Add-On - how to remove it from IE 11?

 Hi Gustav --

Yes, it's "annoyware", and I can't remember I have installed it any time intentionally - I have probably got it while installing some trial software.

Thank you.

-- Shamil


Mon, 20 Oct 2014 10:06:02 +0000 from Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk>:
>Hi Shamil
>
>No, AskSam is not truly malware, just "annoyware".
>
>/gustav
>
>-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
>Fra:  dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Salakhetdinov Shamil
>Sendt: 20. oktober 2014 11:59
>Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] "Search App by Ask" Add-On - how to remove it from IE 11?
>
> Hi Gustav --
>
>:)
>
>Yes, you're right. Thank you.
>I somehow missed to go this simplest route first of all - I was confused by the way this add-in was installed and I thought its authors use some tricky ways to "deadly hook" to IE11.
>
>-- Shamil
>
>
>Mon, 20 Oct 2014 09:18:00 +0000 from Gustav Brock < gustav at cactus.dk >:
>>Hi Shamil
>>
>>I think you need to go to Control Panel, Programs and there run the uninstall.
>>
>>/gustav
>>
>>-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
>>Fra:  dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Salakhetdinov Shamil
>>Sendt: 20. oktober 2014 11:13
>>Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>>Emne: [dba-Tech] "Search App by Ask" Add-On - how to remove it from IE 11?
>>
>> Hi All --
>>
>>I have somehow got the subject add-on. 
>>
>>I have got it disabled but totally removing it from IE 11 seems to be a tricky procedure, which isn't available from IE11's "Tools -> Manage Add-Ons" entry.
>>
>>I have started IE 11 via command line:
>>
>>iexplore.exe -extoff
>>
>>and I have gone directly to "Manage Add-On". Still no way to remove the subject add-on.
>>
>>Could you please advise how to remove it?
>>
>>Thank you.
>>
>>-- 
>>???????????? ?????? 
>
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From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Mon Oct 20 14:54:31 2014
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2014 23:54:31 +0400
Subject: [dba-Tech]
 =?utf-8?q?=22Search_App_by_Ask=22_Add-On_-_how_to_remo?=
 =?utf-8?q?ve_it_from_IE_11=3F?=
In-Reply-To: <00de01cfec7a$ed5aa660$c80ff320$@winhaven.net>
References: <ed0fafdf2749470696c0dbcee6f6344c@AMSPR06MB357.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
	<1413800808.171250684@f279.i.mail.ru>
	<00de01cfec7a$ed5aa660$c80ff320$@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <1413834871.16367416@f292.i.mail.ru>

 Hi John and Gustav --

I have got really confused by what software/my actions, when and why I have got 'Search App by Ask' installed?- if I haven't missed something 'Search App by Ask'?could have been brought to my system by Java (TM) update - here is an excerpt from my system app log:

...
15-oct-2014 7:44:02
Beginning a Windows Installer transaction: C:\Users\{myUserName}\AppData\LocalLow\Sun\Java\AU\au.msi. Client Process Id: 7348.
15-oct-2014 7:44:02
Product: Java Auto Updater -- Installation operation completed successfully.
15-oct-2014 7:44:02
Windows Installer installed the product. Product Name: Java Auto Updater. Product Version: 2.1.71.14. Product Language: 1033. Manufacturer: Oracle, Inc.. Installation success or error status: 0.
15-oct-2014 7:44:02
Ending a Windows Installer transaction: C:\Users\{myUserName}\AppData\LocalLow\Sun\Java\AU\au.msi. Client Process Id: 7348.
...
15-oct-2014 7:46:13
Beginning a Windows Installer transaction: C:\ProgramData\APN\APN-Stub\ORJ-SPE\AskToolbarInstaller-12.18.0_ORJ-SPE.msi. Client Process Id: 3860.
15-oct-2014 7:46:14
Product: Search App by Ask -- Installation completed successfully.
15-oct-2014 7:46:14
Windows Installer installed the product. Product Name: Search App by Ask. Product Version: 12.18.0.82. Product Language: 1033. Manufacturer: APN, LLC. Installation success or error status: 0.
15-oct-2014 7:46:14
Ending a Windows Installer transaction: C:\ProgramData\APN\APN-Stub\ORJ-SPE\AskToolbarInstaller-12.18.0_ORJ-SPE.msi. Client Process Id: 3860. As you can see 'Search App by Ask' setup is activated a couple of minutes after au.msi (Java Auto-Updater) was installed.

---

I have just Googled and it looks like "crapware/annoyware" did come from Java/Oracle:

I have the following registry key:

Key Name: HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Wow6432Node\JavaSoft
Class Name: <NO CLASS>
Last Write Time: 10/15/2014 - 7:44 AM
Value 1
Name: sponsorsoffered
Type: REG_SZ
Data: SP18;

Here is how to fix the issue effectively:
"Registry keys to prevent Java installs from adding sponsors (Ask/Google/Yahoo Toolbar, McAfee virus, etc) via: Super?User"
http://wiert.me/2014/06/02/registry-keys-to-prevent-java-installs-from-adding-sponsors-askgoogleyahoo-toolbar-mcafee-virus-etc-via-super-user/

Thank you.

-- Shamil

P.S. I was in a hurry that morning 15-oct-2014, I can't remember if Java Auto-Updater setup has had a check-box option to setup "sponsors' crapware" or not...

Mon, 20 Oct 2014 10:31:32 -0500 from "John R Bartow" <jbartow at winhaven.net>:
>Shamil,
>I see it a lot. It comes prepackaged with many apps from a wide array of vendors. Two that I use that have included it In the past are Piriform's Ccleaner and Auslogic's Disk Defragmenter - both had it as an option during install. If the silent install option is used Ask Toolbar would get installed by default. I had used a script with silent install for both. Ccleaner now has updating built in and offer a 'slim' download which doesn't include any optional software. I turned the silent off for Auslogic's DD in order to avoid having to uninstall Ask Toolbar.
>John B
<<< skipped >>>
>

From Lambert.Heenan at aig.com  Mon Oct 20 15:23:44 2014
From: Lambert.Heenan at aig.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2014 20:23:44 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] "Search App by Ask" Add-On - how to remove it from
 IE 11?
In-Reply-To: <1413834871.16367416@f292.i.mail.ru>
References: <ed0fafdf2749470696c0dbcee6f6344c@AMSPR06MB357.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
	<1413800808.171250684@f279.i.mail.ru>
	<00de01cfec7a$ed5aa660$c80ff320$@winhaven.net>
	<1413834871.16367416@f292.i.mail.ru>
Message-ID: <D2D5A45EB26EC34F8199762DC40FFAA808997D@PWGSMSLIVMBS04.mail.aig.net>

Yes indeed. The Java update app has that sneaky choice buried in one of the various install wizard screens. These days you actually have to read those screens instead of just clicking "Next", "Next"... like we used to. Otherwise you can wind up with Annoyware like this.

Lambert

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov Shamil
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2014 3:55 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] "Search App by Ask" Add-On - how to remove it from IE 11?

 Hi John and Gustav --

I have got really confused by what software/my actions, when and why I have got 'Search App by Ask' installed?- if I haven't missed something 'Search App by Ask'?could have been brought to my system by Java (TM) update - here is an excerpt from my system app log:

...
15-oct-2014 7:44:02
Beginning a Windows Installer transaction: C:\Users\{myUserName}\AppData\LocalLow\Sun\Java\AU\au.msi. Client Process Id: 7348.
15-oct-2014 7:44:02
Product: Java Auto Updater -- Installation operation completed successfully.
15-oct-2014 7:44:02
Windows Installer installed the product. Product Name: Java Auto Updater. Product Version: 2.1.71.14. Product Language: 1033. Manufacturer: Oracle, Inc.. Installation success or error status: 0.
15-oct-2014 7:44:02
Ending a Windows Installer transaction: C:\Users\{myUserName}\AppData\LocalLow\Sun\Java\AU\au.msi. Client Process Id: 7348.
...
15-oct-2014 7:46:13
Beginning a Windows Installer transaction: C:\ProgramData\APN\APN-Stub\ORJ-SPE\AskToolbarInstaller-12.18.0_ORJ-SPE.msi. Client Process Id: 3860.
15-oct-2014 7:46:14
Product: Search App by Ask -- Installation completed successfully.
15-oct-2014 7:46:14
Windows Installer installed the product. Product Name: Search App by Ask. Product Version: 12.18.0.82. Product Language: 1033. Manufacturer: APN, LLC. Installation success or error status: 0.
15-oct-2014 7:46:14
Ending a Windows Installer transaction: C:\ProgramData\APN\APN-Stub\ORJ-SPE\AskToolbarInstaller-12.18.0_ORJ-SPE.msi. Client Process Id: 3860. As you can see 'Search App by Ask' setup is activated a couple of minutes after au.msi (Java Auto-Updater) was installed.

---

I have just Googled and it looks like "crapware/annoyware" did come from Java/Oracle:

I have the following registry key:

Key Name: HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Wow6432Node\JavaSoft
Class Name: <NO CLASS>
Last Write Time: 10/15/2014 - 7:44 AM
Value 1
Name: sponsorsoffered
Type: REG_SZ
Data: SP18;

Here is how to fix the issue effectively:
"Registry keys to prevent Java installs from adding sponsors (Ask/Google/Yahoo Toolbar, McAfee virus, etc) via: Super?User"
http://wiert.me/2014/06/02/registry-keys-to-prevent-java-installs-from-adding-sponsors-askgoogleyahoo-toolbar-mcafee-virus-etc-via-super-user/

Thank you.

-- Shamil

P.S. I was in a hurry that morning 15-oct-2014, I can't remember if Java Auto-Updater setup has had a check-box option to setup "sponsors' crapware" or not...

Mon, 20 Oct 2014 10:31:32 -0500 from "John R Bartow" <jbartow at winhaven.net>:
>Shamil,
>I see it a lot. It comes prepackaged with many apps from a wide array of vendors. Two that I use that have included it In the past are Piriform's Ccleaner and Auslogic's Disk Defragmenter - both had it as an option during install. If the silent install option is used Ask Toolbar would get installed by default. I had used a script with silent install for both. Ccleaner now has updating built in and offer a 'slim' download which doesn't include any optional software. I turned the silent off for Auslogic's DD in order to avoid having to uninstall Ask Toolbar.
>John B
<<< skipped >>>
>
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From jbartow at winhaven.net  Mon Oct 20 20:23:36 2014
From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2014 20:23:36 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] "Search App by Ask" Add-On - how to remove it from
	IE 11?
In-Reply-To: <1413834871.16367416@f292.i.mail.ru>
References: <ed0fafdf2749470696c0dbcee6f6344c@AMSPR06MB357.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>	<1413800808.171250684@f279.i.mail.ru>	<00de01cfec7a$ed5aa660$c80ff320$@winhaven.net>
	<1413834871.16367416@f292.i.mail.ru>
Message-ID: <02b801cfeccd$a3761770$ea624650$@winhaven.net>

I just installed a Java update 71.71 on a remote user machine and it had two ride along check boxes for Ask items. I don't usually do this but my RMS patch management software is undergoing some upgrades and I have it turned off right now.

You dug deep to find that, good detective work! I'm going to search for the ' sponsorsoffered' registry entry in the future just to see what I find.

" There are many cumbersome ways around it:

Manually download the right version of the silent offline installer, then run it.
Download the offline installer, get java.msi from it, then make a GPO-deployment.
Disable the auto-update check and script your own install.
Silently Uninstall Java. Then don?t install it (a few friends were so fed up that they did this).
Internet Explorer only: Disable third party browser extensions. But then you loose all other extensions as well."

Yes, I choose the first option. But now I will also add this registry hack to my install and RMS scripts.
Thank you.
John

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov Shamil
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2014 2:55 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] "Search App by Ask" Add-On - how to remove it from IE 11?

 Hi John and Gustav --

I have got really confused by what software/my actions, when and why I have got 'Search App by Ask' installed - if I haven't missed something 'Search App by Ask' could have been brought to my system by Java (TM) update - here is an excerpt from my system app log:

...
15-oct-2014 7:44:02
Beginning a Windows Installer transaction: C:\Users\{myUserName}\AppData\LocalLow\Sun\Java\AU\au.msi. Client Process Id: 7348.
15-oct-2014 7:44:02
Product: Java Auto Updater -- Installation operation completed successfully.
15-oct-2014 7:44:02
Windows Installer installed the product. Product Name: Java Auto Updater. Product Version: 2.1.71.14. Product Language: 1033. Manufacturer: Oracle, Inc.. Installation success or error status: 0.
15-oct-2014 7:44:02
Ending a Windows Installer transaction: C:\Users\{myUserName}\AppData\LocalLow\Sun\Java\AU\au.msi. Client Process Id: 7348.
...
15-oct-2014 7:46:13
Beginning a Windows Installer transaction: C:\ProgramData\APN\APN-Stub\ORJ-SPE\AskToolbarInstaller-12.18.0_ORJ-SPE.msi. Client Process Id: 3860.
15-oct-2014 7:46:14
Product: Search App by Ask -- Installation completed successfully.
15-oct-2014 7:46:14
Windows Installer installed the product. Product Name: Search App by Ask. Product Version: 12.18.0.82. Product Language: 1033. Manufacturer: APN, LLC. Installation success or error status: 0.
15-oct-2014 7:46:14
Ending a Windows Installer transaction: C:\ProgramData\APN\APN-Stub\ORJ-SPE\AskToolbarInstaller-12.18.0_ORJ-SPE.msi. Client Process Id: 3860. As you can see 'Search App by Ask' setup is activated a couple of minutes after au.msi (Java Auto-Updater) was installed.

---

I have just Googled and it looks like "crapware/annoyware" did come from Java/Oracle:

I have the following registry key:

Key Name: HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Wow6432Node\JavaSoft
Class Name: <NO CLASS>
Last Write Time: 10/15/2014 - 7:44 AM
Value 1
Name: sponsorsoffered
Type: REG_SZ
Data: SP18;

Here is how to fix the issue effectively:
"Registry keys to prevent Java installs from adding sponsors (Ask/Google/Yahoo Toolbar, McAfee virus, etc) via: Super User"
http://wiert.me/2014/06/02/registry-keys-to-prevent-java-installs-from-adding-sponsors-askgoogleyahoo-toolbar-mcafee-virus-etc-via-super-user/

Thank you.

-- Shamil

P.S. I was in a hurry that morning 15-oct-2014, I can't remember if Java Auto-Updater setup has had a check-box option to setup "sponsors' crapware" or not...

Mon, 20 Oct 2014 10:31:32 -0500 from "John R Bartow" <jbartow at winhaven.net>:
>Shamil,
>I see it a lot. It comes prepackaged with many apps from a wide array of vendors. Two that I use that have included it In the past are Piriform's Ccleaner and Auslogic's Disk Defragmenter - both had it as an option during install. If the silent install option is used Ask Toolbar would get installed by default. I had used a script with silent install for both. Ccleaner now has updating built in and offer a 'slim' download which doesn't include any optional software. I turned the silent off for Auslogic's DD in order to avoid having to uninstall Ask Toolbar.
>John B
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>
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Mon Oct 20 22:49:15 2014
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2014 23:49:15 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Edit path in Windows 8.1
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1jMkYxfKF7xfdKreosU2_BYPHNLsqhHmMVksc0UT5rrDA@mail.gmail.com>

I can't seem to locate where to edit the path or other environmental
variables in Windows 8.1. Can anyone point me in the right direction?

-- 
Arthur

From gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Oct 21 03:08:49 2014
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2014 08:08:49 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Edit path in Windows 8.1
Message-ID: <06302a1587ee4236bdf8833864d15006@AMSPR06MB357.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Arthur

It hasn't changed:

Control Panel, System and Security, System, Advanced Options, button Environment.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Arthur Fuller
Sendt: 21. oktober 2014 05:49
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Emne: [dba-Tech] Edit path in Windows 8.1

I can't seem to locate where to edit the path or other environmental variables in Windows 8.1. Can anyone point me in the right direction?

--
Arthur 


From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Tue Oct 21 03:35:22 2014
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2014 04:35:22 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Run Windows programs in a sandbox and protect yourself
	from Malware
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1gtt9WyNQV60ge6L0g1ZYeqcvN+wCPva43Fxn12m0WoGw@mail.gmail.com>

I recently came across a free program called Sandboxie which enables you to
run any program inside a sandbox, so that said program is unable to make
any changes to your computer.

To find it, just Google "download Sandboxie" and you're there.

The following link provides a brief description of Sandboxie and how it
works. A particularly cool feature is its integration with Windows
Explorer: when you right-click on a program name, the menu includes a new
option "Run inside Sandbox".

-- 
Arthur

From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Tue Oct 21 03:38:32 2014
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2014 04:38:32 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Edit path in Windows 8.1
In-Reply-To: <06302a1587ee4236bdf8833864d15006@AMSPR06MB357.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
References: <06302a1587ee4236bdf8833864d15006@AMSPR06MB357.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1jLBzHkzKLN6ddavBKP-Xw6fqmkJJwJBYJcw=3h0JC4Zw@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Gustav.

Arthur

On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 4:08 AM, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Hi Arthur
>
> It hasn't changed:
>
> Control Panel, System and Security, System, Advanced Options, button
> Environment.
>
> /gustav

From erbachs at gmail.com  Tue Oct 21 06:46:00 2014
From: erbachs at gmail.com (Steve Erbach)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2014 06:46:00 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Run Windows programs in a sandbox and protect
 yourself from Malware
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1gtt9WyNQV60ge6L0g1ZYeqcvN+wCPva43Fxn12m0WoGw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1gtt9WyNQV60ge6L0g1ZYeqcvN+wCPva43Fxn12m0WoGw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAOY=wELBfxdLCQLiRoy7DoUj2kxn+sQ3NWaXiKib_Bwrg_Jptg@mail.gmail.com>

Interesting, Arthur. Kinda looks like a stripped-down virtual
environment...but without having to install a full copy of Windows or
whatever operating system you want to use. Worth looking into. Thanks!

Steve Erbach
Neenah, WI


On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 3:35 AM, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
wrote:

> I recently came across a free program called Sandboxie which enables you to
> run any program inside a sandbox, so that said program is unable to make
> any changes to your computer.
>
> To find it, just Google "download Sandboxie" and you're there.
>
> The following link provides a brief description of Sandboxie and how it
> works. A particularly cool feature is its integration with Windows
> Explorer: when you right-click on a program name, the menu includes a new
> option "Run inside Sandbox".
>
> --
> Arthur
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-- 
Regards,

Steve Erbach
Neenah, WI
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Oct 21 21:18:03 2014
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2014 20:18:03 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Strange happens
In-Reply-To: <1413621257404.59801@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <1840234331.24776697.1413944283701.JavaMail.root@cds018>

Hi All:

My network has bee running oddly. (no malware issues.)

My Server2008 enterprise edition, for the most part, has run very nicely for years but when observing the network all the computers do not necessarily appear, in the network tab. But if the computer is left long enough all the printers and computers eventually show up. Has anyone else seen this on their network?

Jim

From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Tue Oct 21 23:15:16 2014
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2014 21:15:16 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Strange happens
In-Reply-To: <1840234331.24776697.1413944283701.JavaMail.root@cds018>
References: <1413621257404.59801@cactus.dk>
	<1840234331.24776697.1413944283701.JavaMail.root@cds018>
Message-ID: <EBBEDAEEEC2C4D28A7C073828CE8A466@HAL9007>

Does the task manager process list show something running taking a lot of
cycles?

r

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2014 7:18 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] Strange happens

Hi All:

My network has bee running oddly. (no malware issues.)

My Server2008 enterprise edition, for the most part, has run very nicely for
years but when observing the network all the computers do not necessarily
appear, in the network tab. But if the computer is left long enough all the
printers and computers eventually show up. Has anyone else seen this on
their network?

Jim
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Oct 22 01:34:28 2014
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2014 00:34:28 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Run Windows programs in a sandbox and protect
 yourself	from Malware
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1gtt9WyNQV60ge6L0g1ZYeqcvN+wCPva43Fxn12m0WoGw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2025981876.24877485.1413959668545.JavaMail.root@cds018>

Hi Arthur:

I recently saw a video clip on the use of the program. It does seem very effective.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Arthur Fuller" <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2014 1:35:22 AM
Subject: [dba-Tech] Run Windows programs in a sandbox and protect yourself	from Malware

I recently came across a free program called Sandboxie which enables you to
run any program inside a sandbox, so that said program is unable to make
any changes to your computer.

To find it, just Google "download Sandboxie" and you're there.

The following link provides a brief description of Sandboxie and how it
works. A particularly cool feature is its integration with Windows
Explorer: when you right-click on a program name, the menu includes a new
option "Run inside Sandbox".

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Oct 22 02:16:59 2014
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2014 01:16:59 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Strange happens
In-Reply-To: <EBBEDAEEEC2C4D28A7C073828CE8A466@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <1690559828.24900106.1413962219515.JavaMail.root@cds018>

Hi Rocky:

Nothing more than usual... The computer actually runs very fast but when scanning the network it runs like a dog. (At the command prompt a command like "Net View" can crank away for an hour.) 

OTOH, the Linux boxes do these full network scans in a few minutes and even the main router has a complete list of all the IP addresses of any computer with shares. I am wondering, is it something I have not resolved properly, or some security issue, at least as far as Windows is concerned?  

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rocky Smolin" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2014 9:15:16 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Strange happens

Does the task manager process list show something running taking a lot of
cycles?

r

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2014 7:18 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] Strange happens

Hi All:

My network has bee running oddly. (no malware issues.)

My Server2008 enterprise edition, for the most part, has run very nicely for
years but when observing the network all the computers do not necessarily
appear, in the network tab. But if the computer is left long enough all the
printers and computers eventually show up. Has anyone else seen this on
their network?

Jim
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Wed Oct 22 07:06:57 2014
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2014 08:06:57 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Removing Skype accounts
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1ha1hDBvL32G7APr_FkrhVZ518zbfO1JCbLhugBZAULbA@mail.gmail.com>

It appears that, over the years, I have created several Skype accounts. I
would like to eliminate all the previous ones and reduce the list to just
one account for me, but I can't figure out how to do this. Any advice will
be received most gratefully.

-- 
Arthur

From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Wed Oct 22 11:35:45 2014
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2014 12:35:45 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] WTF? It was fine this morning
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1j6LLJnMZ5ozDWcQje=bLd88TFxaiBXu6-5h=0YWLiA+A@mail.gmail.com>

Something has happened to my laptop. Suddenly Waterfox is giving me this
message:

The proxy server is refusing connection
Firefox is configured to use a proxy server that is refusing connections.
Check the proxy settings to make sure that they are correct.
Contact your network administrator to make sure the proxy server is working.

As far as I know, I'm not using a proxy server; in fact, I'm not sure what
a proxy server is.

The desktop beside my laptop is working fine. As far as I know, I haven't
done a single thing to the laptop that may have caused this.

I don't know where the proxy server settings might be, but assuming that I
find them, can I simply delete whatever I see there and go back to the way
things were?

Thank God I have two computers!

-- 
Arthur

From kathryn at bassett.net  Wed Oct 22 12:08:41 2014
From: kathryn at bassett.net (Kathryn Bassett)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2014 10:08:41 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] WTF? It was fine this morning
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1j6LLJnMZ5ozDWcQje=bLd88TFxaiBXu6-5h=0YWLiA+A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1j6LLJnMZ5ozDWcQje=bLd88TFxaiBXu6-5h=0YWLiA+A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAOIeTr63sZ5Ipryv+TZ45YcCiQAAEAAAABvTfcJ081FGughMUSTs2nMBAAAAAA==@bassett.net>

Did you reboot? That's the first thing I try when getting weird stuff.

Kathryn

> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-
> bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
> Sent: 22 Oct 2014 9:36 AM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: [dba-Tech] WTF? It was fine this morning
> 
> Something has happened to my laptop. Suddenly Waterfox is giving me this
> message:
> 
> The proxy server is refusing connection
> Firefox is configured to use a proxy server that is refusing connections.
> Check the proxy settings to make sure that they are correct.
> Contact your network administrator to make sure the proxy server is
> working.
> 
> As far as I know, I'm not using a proxy server; in fact, I'm not sure what
a
> proxy server is.
> 
> The desktop beside my laptop is working fine. As far as I know, I haven't
> done a single thing to the laptop that may have caused this.
> 
> I don't know where the proxy server settings might be, but assuming that I
> find them, can I simply delete whatever I see there and go back to the way
> things were?
> 
> Thank God I have two computers!
> 
> --
> Arthur
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From eptept at gmail.com  Wed Oct 22 12:22:11 2014
From: eptept at gmail.com (Ed Tesiny)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2014 13:22:11 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] WTF? It was fine this morning
In-Reply-To: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAOIeTr63sZ5Ipryv+TZ45YcCiQAAEAAAABvTfcJ081FGughMUSTs2nMBAAAAAA==@bassett.net>
References: <CAEPJO1j6LLJnMZ5ozDWcQje=bLd88TFxaiBXu6-5h=0YWLiA+A@mail.gmail.com>
	<!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAOIeTr63sZ5Ipryv+TZ45YcCiQAAEAAAABvTfcJ081FGughMUSTs2nMBAAAAAA==@bassett.net>
Message-ID: <CAEkqQpUyJ5574kQ20Nzjv-cNfEunRJY5Os+gxG4rZN2CaiP1fA@mail.gmail.com>

If a reboot doesn't work I would roll it back a day or two, meaning a
restore.  I used Waterfox for a while but it wasn't stable IMHO, so I
loaded FireFox 64 bit.

On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 1:08 PM, Kathryn Bassett <kathryn at bassett.net>
wrote:

> Did you reboot? That's the first thing I try when getting weird stuff.
>
> Kathryn
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-
> > bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
> > Sent: 22 Oct 2014 9:36 AM
> > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> > Subject: [dba-Tech] WTF? It was fine this morning
> >
> > Something has happened to my laptop. Suddenly Waterfox is giving me this
> > message:
> >
> > The proxy server is refusing connection
> > Firefox is configured to use a proxy server that is refusing connections.
> > Check the proxy settings to make sure that they are correct.
> > Contact your network administrator to make sure the proxy server is
> > working.
> >
> > As far as I know, I'm not using a proxy server; in fact, I'm not sure
> what
> a
> > proxy server is.
> >
> > The desktop beside my laptop is working fine. As far as I know, I haven't
> > done a single thing to the laptop that may have caused this.
> >
> > I don't know where the proxy server settings might be, but assuming that
> I
> > find them, can I simply delete whatever I see there and go back to the
> way
> > things were?
> >
> > Thank God I have two computers!
> >
> > --
> > Arthur
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Oct 22 15:31:07 2014
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2014 14:31:07 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] WTF? It was fine this morning
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1j6LLJnMZ5ozDWcQje=bLd88TFxaiBXu6-5h=0YWLiA+A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <401369881.25441529.1414009867996.JavaMail.root@cds018>

Check your connections...?

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Arthur Fuller" <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 9:35:45 AM
Subject: [dba-Tech] WTF? It was fine this morning

Something has happened to my laptop. Suddenly Waterfox is giving me this
message:

The proxy server is refusing connection
Firefox is configured to use a proxy server that is refusing connections.
Check the proxy settings to make sure that they are correct.
Contact your network administrator to make sure the proxy server is working.

As far as I know, I'm not using a proxy server; in fact, I'm not sure what
a proxy server is.

The desktop beside my laptop is working fine. As far as I know, I haven't
done a single thing to the laptop that may have caused this.

I don't know where the proxy server settings might be, but assuming that I
find them, can I simply delete whatever I see there and go back to the way
things were?

Thank God I have two computers!

-- 
Arthur
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Wed Oct 22 15:51:09 2014
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2014 16:51:09 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] WTF? It was fine this morning
In-Reply-To: <401369881.25441529.1414009867996.JavaMail.root@cds018>
References: <CAEPJO1j6LLJnMZ5ozDWcQje=bLd88TFxaiBXu6-5h=0YWLiA+A@mail.gmail.com>
	<401369881.25441529.1414009867996.JavaMail.root@cds018>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1i4VDoHk3UnOfj3xQwsPWR0DYPFSdvpzamQ6FvJwX27vA@mail.gmail.com>

I haven't got to the bottom of this yet, but I think my browser(s) got
hijacked. As soon as I run the browser (my default is Waterfox, but I just
tried IE and it's got the same problem. However, if I just ignore that
message and enter a URL then it works.

A message came up that said my Ad-Aware was outdated and that I should
update. I'm pretty sure this is the culprit, and that it's a spoof. I
should have sandboxed it. Doh!

Arthur (Simpson)
?

From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Oct 22 16:56:22 2014
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2014 15:56:22 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] WTF? It was fine this morning
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1i4VDoHk3UnOfj3xQwsPWR0DYPFSdvpzamQ6FvJwX27vA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1531886726.25529021.1414014982117.JavaMail.root@cds018>

The problems should be easy to resolve as all the things that can be hacked are easily fixed...at least I found it so...check the add-ons list and preference/options list as there is usually so anomaly that shows up...you can also reset your browser to original. On a Windows box, check the add and remove programs section.

Jim  

----- Original Message -----
From: "Arthur Fuller" <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 1:51:09 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] WTF? It was fine this morning

I haven't got to the bottom of this yet, but I think my browser(s) got
hijacked. As soon as I run the browser (my default is Waterfox, but I just
tried IE and it's got the same problem. However, if I just ignore that
message and enter a URL then it works.

A message came up that said my Ad-Aware was outdated and that I should
update. I'm pretty sure this is the culprit, and that it's a spoof. I
should have sandboxed it. Doh!

Arthur (Simpson)
?
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Oct 22 21:43:20 2014
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2014 20:43:20 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Linux
In-Reply-To: <1690559828.24900106.1413962219515.JavaMail.root@cds018>
Message-ID: <1148008939.25722772.1414032200257.JavaMail.root@cds018>

Hi All:

All the biggest and newest companies in the computer industry are Linux; Amazon, Facebook, Oracle, Apple (BSD), Google and thousands more...and even the NSA and GCHQ...but with one notable exception.
  
I have been saying this for years, so it should come as no surprise but now it is a confirmed reality. If you want to continue in the computer industry you had better be all-in on Linux: http://i.imgur.com/KMtUmWgl.jpg

http://www.pcworld.com/article/2836412/microsoft-hearts-linux-for-azures-sake.html#tk.rss_news

We all knew that this was a reality as Azure was just a product that has a fancy distro which was sitting on top of Rackspace, now Docker/containers and the super cool CoreOS server.

http://www.zdnet.com/docker-container-support-coming-to-microsofts-next-windows-server-release-7000034708

As always even Microsoft's new desktop has been heavily borrowing from Linux but that goes for every company as Linux is where most of industries innovations come from. Considering the latest desktop: http://itsfoss.com/windows-10-inspired-linux

This is hardly Microsoft being altruistic, it is the company wishing to be relevant in ten to fifteen years. That said all you pure MS guys and gals, if you are not retiring out of the business in a couple of years, better bone-up on Linux. According to what I have heard, at the Microsoft campus, all the workers are in the process of starting a Linux deep dive. I guess it is learn fast or your out.

A few people, on this list have been taking course in Linux. Some are free (there was a great one that started this summer), some are modestly priced like: https://linuxacademy.com/coders ...and then you can get up to speed on your own by getting a $5, on DigitalOcean where you can even run up a CoreOS droplet.

How difficult is it to move to Linux? For a basic computer user, it may be a challenge but for this crowd, its brain-dead simple. Can you have all the applications you need? There are equivalents, in Linux of just about every product you need. If that is not enough the manger, Wine, can allow all you favourites to run like; Office2003, Office2007 and Office2010...and all at the same time. If that is not enough there is an excellent product called CrossOver. It is actually written by the developers of Wine which is just the free edition, in which everything isn't automated (like most (all?) Adobe and Visual Studio products):

https://www.codeweavers.com/support/forums/announce/?t=24;mhl=167623;msg=167623#msg167623
...and...
https://www.codeweavers.com/products/crossover-linux/gallery

Price is $60 approximately. It goes into paying for the automation and to support Wine of Linux.

Personally, I am not a game player but if you haven't moved to Linux because your favourite games don't work...well that is a thing of the past. Virtually all major games run on Linux. Ie. Steam, one of the largest games producers is now designing all its games directly on the Linux kernel and even Call of Duty and Grand Thief Auto runs natively on Linux: 

http://store.steampowered.com (here is a great looking game: http://store.steampowered.com/app/257690)

Aside: It is worth noting that applications and games, running on Linux, with the same hardware run faster.
 
So if you have been waiting for the right time, all I can say is welcome on board. :-)

Jim
       

From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Oct 22 22:45:52 2014
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2014 21:45:52 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] XBMC computer
In-Reply-To: <1148008939.25722772.1414032200257.JavaMail.root@cds018>
Message-ID: <1629618187.25755784.1414035952192.JavaMail.root@cds018>

Hi All:

Open Embedded Linux Entertainment Centre (OpenELEC) is a small Linux distribution built from scratch as a platform to turn your computer into an XBMC media centre. OpenELEC is designed to make your system boot fast, and the install is so easy that anyone can turn a blank PC into a media machine in less than 15 minutes.

1. It's completely free
2. A full install is only 80-125MB
3. Minimal hardware requirements
4. Simple install to HDD, SSD, Compact Flash, SD card, pen drive or other
5. Optimized builds for Atom, ION, Intel, Fusion and more
6. Simple configuration through the XBMC interface
7. Plug and Play external storage
8. File sharing out of the box

So if you are wondering what to do with some old beater box or maybe that Raspberry PI bought:

http://openelec.tv

Jim

From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Oct 22 23:04:45 2014
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2014 22:04:45 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Want to run you own EMail server
In-Reply-To: <1690559828.24900106.1413962219515.JavaMail.root@cds018>
Message-ID: <1594759607.25766356.1414037085578.JavaMail.root@cds018>

Hi All:

If you want to run your own email server all you need is a 64bit box with 8 to 16 GB of RAM. 

http://www.zimbra.com/downloads/zimbra-collaboration?utm_campaign=newsletter&utm_source=hs_email&utm_medium=email&utm_content=14356144&_hsenc=p2ANqtz--4fJC2CD887an3_AfqFvyRsLp1sycEtWmRnLLDFeWYtGxeyl2zqaVKRgvaBrIZVGA7W39PXHHHFjdoBHjMMJZ3hJ-aAQ&_hsmi=14356144

There are community and trial versions but if you are going commercial expect to pay. Outfits like non-profits and even the DBA are offered free versions.

Jim   

From gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Oct 23 01:22:37 2014
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2014 06:22:37 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Want to run you own EMail server
Message-ID: <a192f6403d75484283d3c71aec77594f@AM2PR06MB0913.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Jim

> all you need is a 64bit box with 8 to 16 GB of RAM.

"all"? That could run an Exchange server. Probably overkill for most small shops.

All you need is an old XP box and zero money.

hMailServer:
https://www.hmailserver.com/documentation/v5.5/?page=system_requirements

or even W95(!)

Mercury/32:
http://www.pmail.com/overviews/ovw_mercwin.htm

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Jim Lawrence
Sendt: 23. oktober 2014 06:05
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Emne: [dba-Tech] Want to run you own EMail server

Hi All:

If you want to run your own email server all you need is a 64bit box with 8 to 16 GB of RAM. 

http://www.zimbra.com/downloads/zimbra-collaboration?utm_campaign=newsletter&utm_source=hs_email&utm_medium=email&utm_content=14356144&_hsenc=p2ANqtz--4fJC2CD887an3_AfqFvyRsLp1sycEtWmRnLLDFeWYtGxeyl2zqaVKRgvaBrIZVGA7W39PXHHHFjdoBHjMMJZ3hJ-aAQ&_hsmi=14356144

There are community and trial versions but if you are going commercial expect to pay. Outfits like non-profits and even the DBA are offered free versions.

Jim   


From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Thu Oct 23 05:36:44 2014
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2014 06:36:44 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] WTF? It was fine this morning
In-Reply-To: <1531886726.25529021.1414014982117.JavaMail.root@cds018>
References: <CAEPJO1i4VDoHk3UnOfj3xQwsPWR0DYPFSdvpzamQ6FvJwX27vA@mail.gmail.com>
	<1531886726.25529021.1414014982117.JavaMail.root@cds018>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1jppK0eiqiT7cPh+pwPvSE34Y9xLp=U85rHVFpzg2VkGg@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks, Jim. For the benefit of those who have suffered similar problems,
one hijack method that I have discovered is that the hijacker modifies any
shortcuts and adds an argument that effectively redirects the browser to a
new site. So the take-away is, if your browser goes wonky, first thing to
check is the shortcut, whether it's on your desktop or QuickLaunch bar.

Arthur

On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 5:56 PM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> The problems should be easy to resolve as all the things that can be
> hacked are easily fixed...at least I found it so...check the add-ons list
> and preference/options list as there is usually so anomaly that shows
> up...you can also reset your browser to original. On a Windows box, check
> the add and remove programs section.
>
> Jim

From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Oct 23 15:23:51 2014
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2014 14:23:51 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Want to run you own EMail server
In-Reply-To: <a192f6403d75484283d3c71aec77594f@AM2PR06MB0913.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <2042387250.26345500.1414095831902.JavaMail.root@cds018>

Hi Gustav:

Thanks for the heads up Gustav. :-)

It does seem that I will have to keep an old XP/Server2003 box (virtualized) anyways as I still have licences for Adobe Photoshop/Illustrator/inDesign and don't want to have to go the Cloud route and those monthly payment schedules. As well I need ConvertVMWare so I can hot and cold clone Windows installations. 

I ran up hServer on my Linux box, using Wine and it apparently it really works well. Other than network conflicts on ports 25,110 and 143, as expected and that I have not setup my MariaDB receipt port yet on my server2008 (just running it on localhost for the moment).
 
A friend has been using Mercury mail server for his server clients for around fifteen years and it apparently still does the job. ;-)

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 11:22:37 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Want to run you own EMail server

Hi Jim

> all you need is a 64bit box with 8 to 16 GB of RAM.

"all"? That could run an Exchange server. Probably overkill for most small shops.

All you need is an old XP box and zero money.

hMailServer:
https://www.hmailserver.com/documentation/v5.5/?page=system_requirements

or even W95(!)

Mercury/32:
http://www.pmail.com/overviews/ovw_mercwin.htm

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
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Sendt: 23. oktober 2014 06:05
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Emne: [dba-Tech] Want to run you own EMail server

Hi All:

If you want to run your own email server all you need is a 64bit box with 8 to 16 GB of RAM. 

http://www.zimbra.com/downloads/zimbra-collaboration?utm_campaign=newsletter&utm_source=hs_email&utm_medium=email&utm_content=14356144&_hsenc=p2ANqtz--4fJC2CD887an3_AfqFvyRsLp1sycEtWmRnLLDFeWYtGxeyl2zqaVKRgvaBrIZVGA7W39PXHHHFjdoBHjMMJZ3hJ-aAQ&_hsmi=14356144

There are community and trial versions but if you are going commercial expect to pay. Outfits like non-profits and even the DBA are offered free versions.

Jim   

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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu Oct 23 15:53:22 2014
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2014 06:53:22 +1000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Want to run you own EMail server
In-Reply-To: <2042387250.26345500.1414095831902.JavaMail.root@cds018>
References: <a192f6403d75484283d3c71aec77594f@AM2PR06MB0913.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>,
	<2042387250.26345500.1414095831902.JavaMail.root@cds018>
Message-ID: <54496AC2.15020.602E52AB@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

I've used Mercury Mail Server and Pegasus Mail in it's various flavours every since I first 
came across the Netware version 20 years ago.

I'm part of the Pegasus Mail beta test team and have got to know the author, David Harris 
very well over the years.

I still  recommend Mercury to any small/medium sized operation that just needs a mail server 
without all the fancy schedulling etc.  


-- 
Stuart 


On 23 Oct 2014 at 14:23, Jim Lawrence wrote:

> A friend has been using Mercury mail server for his server clients for
> around fifteen years and it apparently still does the job. ;-)
> 
> Jim
> 


From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Oct 23 15:55:49 2014
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2014 14:55:49 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] WTF? It was fine this morning
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1jppK0eiqiT7cPh+pwPvSE34Y9xLp=U85rHVFpzg2VkGg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1068962872.26367999.1414097749361.JavaMail.root@cds018>

Glad you got it fixed.

Browsers are designed pretty rugged these days and it is very hard to actually hack the application so hijackers have to rely on re-direction and obscurity to gain control. These hacks are usually fairly rudimentary; shortcuts, options list hacks and plugin hacks.

Jim  

----- Original Message -----
From: "Arthur Fuller" <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2014 3:36:44 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] WTF? It was fine this morning

Thanks, Jim. For the benefit of those who have suffered similar problems,
one hijack method that I have discovered is that the hijacker modifies any
shortcuts and adds an argument that effectively redirects the browser to a
new site. So the take-away is, if your browser goes wonky, first thing to
check is the shortcut, whether it's on your desktop or QuickLaunch bar.

Arthur

On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 5:56 PM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> The problems should be easy to resolve as all the things that can be
> hacked are easily fixed...at least I found it so...check the add-ons list
> and preference/options list as there is usually so anomaly that shows
> up...you can also reset your browser to original. On a Windows box, check
> the add and remove programs section.
>
> Jim
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Oct 24 01:22:01 2014
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2014 06:22:01 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Want to run you own EMail server
In-Reply-To: <2042387250.26345500.1414095831902.JavaMail.root@cds018>
References: <a192f6403d75484283d3c71aec77594f@AM2PR06MB0913.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
	<2042387250.26345500.1414095831902.JavaMail.root@cds018>
Message-ID: <f85a39242a7644cfb44ce4c634fd9fae@AM2PR06MB0913.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Jim

We had Mercury/32 running for several years on an old W2000 box as a mail frontend for a custom application with monthly data sent forth and back. Zero issues. 
It can nearly run on every Windows setup if it can boot. 

That said, it was (I'm not familiar with the newer versions) a bit "special" to operate, so today for a new setup - mail only - I would probably choose hMailServer. Among other things, all mail is stored in a database you can access, and it has an extensive API for custom programming.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Jim Lawrence
Sendt: 23. oktober 2014 22:24
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Want to run you own EMail server

Hi Gustav:

Thanks for the heads up Gustav. :-)

It does seem that I will have to keep an old XP/Server2003 box (virtualized) anyways as I still have licences for Adobe Photoshop/Illustrator/inDesign and don't want to have to go the Cloud route and those monthly payment schedules. As well I need ConvertVMWare so I can hot and cold clone Windows installations. 

I ran up hServer on my Linux box, using Wine and it apparently it really works well. Other than network conflicts on ports 25,110 and 143, as expected and that I have not setup my MariaDB receipt port yet on my server2008 (just running it on localhost for the moment).
 
A friend has been using Mercury mail server for his server clients for around fifteen years and it apparently still does the job. ;-)

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 11:22:37 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Want to run you own EMail server

Hi Jim

> all you need is a 64bit box with 8 to 16 GB of RAM.

"all"? That could run an Exchange server. Probably overkill for most small shops.

All you need is an old XP box and zero money.

hMailServer:
https://www.hmailserver.com/documentation/v5.5/?page=system_requirements

or even W95(!)

Mercury/32:
http://www.pmail.com/overviews/ovw_mercwin.htm

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Jim Lawrence
Sendt: 23. oktober 2014 06:05
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Emne: [dba-Tech] Want to run you own EMail server

Hi All:

If you want to run your own email server all you need is a 64bit box with 8 to 16 GB of RAM. 

http://www.zimbra.com/downloads/zimbra-collaboration?utm_campaign=newsletter&utm_source=hs_email&utm_medium=email&utm_content=14356144&_hsenc=p2ANqtz--4fJC2CD887an3_AfqFvyRsLp1sycEtWmRnLLDFeWYtGxeyl2zqaVKRgvaBrIZVGA7W39PXHHHFjdoBHjMMJZ3hJ-aAQ&_hsmi=14356144

There are community and trial versions but if you are going commercial expect to pay. Outfits like non-profits and even the DBA are offered free versions.

Jim   


From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Fri Oct 24 06:54:31 2014
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2014 07:54:31 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Make Windows 8 look like XP
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1i_3eqY8048LRMZtSKb4dDuyVtDxbho7PX+fsmowrCEBA@mail.gmail.com>

For those who hate the look and feel of Windows 8, here's a step-by-step
recipe to make Windows 8 look like XP:

http://www.maketecheasier.com/make-windows-8-look-like-windows-xp/?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=23102014

-- 
Arthur

From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Oct 24 14:33:01 2014
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2014 13:33:01 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Make Windows 8 look like XP
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1i_3eqY8048LRMZtSKb4dDuyVtDxbho7PX+fsmowrCEBA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <833408403.27203930.1414179181582.JavaMail.root@cds018>

Hi Arthur:

A few clients would like that for sure. 

As for migrating clients from XP to Linux, there is a fine distro/skin that will make them feel right at home:

ww.noobslab.com/2014/01/windows-xp-theme-is-available-for.html


Aside: If you are a Linux person but want a new lean, very fast desktop the following distro might be your choice. XFCE has been the go-to desktop for developers wanting a sparse fast desktop but it seems that the Ubuntu MATE may be just perfect...even for clients. It is lean, fast but still very graphical and excellent for usage on remote desktops...and it runs on the latest Ubuntu 14.x core so all the functionality is available:

https://ubuntu-mate.org

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Arthur Fuller" <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2014 4:54:31 AM
Subject: [dba-Tech] Make Windows 8 look like XP

For those who hate the look and feel of Windows 8, here's a step-by-step
recipe to make Windows 8 look like XP:

http://www.maketecheasier.com/make-windows-8-look-like-windows-xp/?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=23102014

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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Fri Oct 24 15:40:39 2014
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2014 16:40:39 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Make Windows 8 look like XP
In-Reply-To: <833408403.27203930.1414179181582.JavaMail.root@cds018>
References: <CAEPJO1i_3eqY8048LRMZtSKb4dDuyVtDxbho7PX+fsmowrCEBA@mail.gmail.com>
	<833408403.27203930.1414179181582.JavaMail.root@cds018>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1jZYmF2pKBwG4r9iF6jwFOi8YMY+ucBG1f27U0UPENiww@mail.gmail.com>

Jim,

The first link leads to a 404 error.

On Fri, Oct 24, 2014 at 3:33 PM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> Hi Arthur:
>
> A few clients would like that for sure.
>
> As for migrating clients from XP to Linux, there is a fine distro/skin
> that will make them feel right at home:
>
> ww.noobslab.com/2014/01/windows-xp-theme-is-available-for.html
>
>
> Aside: If you are a Linux person but want a new lean, very fast desktop
> the following distro might be your choice. XFCE has been the go-to desktop
> for developers wanting a sparse fast desktop but it seems that the Ubuntu
> MATE may be just perfect...even for clients. It is lean, fast but still
> very graphical and excellent for usage on remote desktops...and it runs on
> the latest Ubuntu 14.x core so all the functionality is available:
>
> https://ubuntu-mate.org
>
> Jim
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Arthur Fuller" <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <
> dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Friday, October 24, 2014 4:54:31 AM
> Subject: [dba-Tech] Make Windows 8 look like XP
>
> For those who hate the look and feel of Windows 8, here's a step-by-step
> recipe to make Windows 8 look like XP:
>
>
> http://www.maketecheasier.com/make-windows-8-look-like-windows-xp/?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=23102014
>
> --
> Arthur
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From hkotsch at arcor.de  Fri Oct 24 16:49:36 2014
From: hkotsch at arcor.de (Helmut Kotsch)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2014 23:49:36 +0200
Subject: [dba-Tech] Make Windows 8 look like XP
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1jZYmF2pKBwG4r9iF6jwFOi8YMY+ucBG1f27U0UPENiww@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1i_3eqY8048LRMZtSKb4dDuyVtDxbho7PX+fsmowrCEBA@mail.gmail.com>	<833408403.27203930.1414179181582.JavaMail.root@cds018>
	<CAEPJO1jZYmF2pKBwG4r9iF6jwFOi8YMY+ucBG1f27U0UPENiww@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001e01cfefd4$676c4dd0$3644e970$@de>

There is a "W" missing.
Should read:

www.noobslab.com/2014/01/windows-xp-theme-is-available-for.html

Helmut

-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Im Auftrag von Arthur Fuller
Gesendet: Freitag, 24. Oktober 2014 22:41
An: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Betreff: Re: [dba-Tech] Make Windows 8 look like XP

Jim,

The first link leads to a 404 error.

On Fri, Oct 24, 2014 at 3:33 PM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> Hi Arthur:
>
> A few clients would like that for sure.
>
> As for migrating clients from XP to Linux, there is a fine distro/skin 
> that will make them feel right at home:
>
> ww.noobslab.com/2014/01/windows-xp-theme-is-available-for.html
>
>
> Aside: If you are a Linux person but want a new lean, very fast 
> desktop the following distro might be your choice. XFCE has been the 
> go-to desktop for developers wanting a sparse fast desktop but it 
> seems that the Ubuntu MATE may be just perfect...even for clients. It 
> is lean, fast but still very graphical and excellent for usage on 
> remote desktops...and it runs on the latest Ubuntu 14.x core so all the
functionality is available:
>
> https://ubuntu-mate.org
>
> Jim
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Arthur Fuller" <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" < 
> dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Friday, October 24, 2014 4:54:31 AM
> Subject: [dba-Tech] Make Windows 8 look like XP
>
> For those who hate the look and feel of Windows 8, here's a 
> step-by-step recipe to make Windows 8 look like XP:
>
>
> http://www.maketecheasier.com/make-windows-8-look-like-windows-xp/?utm
> _source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=23102014
>
> --
> Arthur
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Oct 24 21:45:25 2014
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2014 20:45:25 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Make Windows 8 look like XP
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1jZYmF2pKBwG4r9iF6jwFOi8YMY+ucBG1f27U0UPENiww@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <834946523.27533811.1414205125867.JavaMail.root@cds018>

Hi Arthur:

Prefix another "w". :-)

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Arthur Fuller" <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2014 1:40:39 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Make Windows 8 look like XP

Jim,

The first link leads to a 404 error.

On Fri, Oct 24, 2014 at 3:33 PM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> Hi Arthur:
>
> A few clients would like that for sure.
>
> As for migrating clients from XP to Linux, there is a fine distro/skin
> that will make them feel right at home:
>
> ww.noobslab.com/2014/01/windows-xp-theme-is-available-for.html
>
>
> Aside: If you are a Linux person but want a new lean, very fast desktop
> the following distro might be your choice. XFCE has been the go-to desktop
> for developers wanting a sparse fast desktop but it seems that the Ubuntu
> MATE may be just perfect...even for clients. It is lean, fast but still
> very graphical and excellent for usage on remote desktops...and it runs on
> the latest Ubuntu 14.x core so all the functionality is available:
>
> https://ubuntu-mate.org
>
> Jim
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Arthur Fuller" <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <
> dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Friday, October 24, 2014 4:54:31 AM
> Subject: [dba-Tech] Make Windows 8 look like XP
>
> For those who hate the look and feel of Windows 8, here's a step-by-step
> recipe to make Windows 8 look like XP:
>
>
> http://www.maketecheasier.com/make-windows-8-look-like-windows-xp/?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=23102014
>
> --
> Arthur
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sat Oct 25 19:11:00 2014
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2014 18:11:00 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Want to run you own EMail server
In-Reply-To: <f85a39242a7644cfb44ce4c634fd9fae@AM2PR06MB0913.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <1744595253.28055410.1414282260711.JavaMail.root@cds018>

The new hMailServer does sound like a good option. I have not looked into its feature yet but if it has Cloud capabilities (from anywhere to anywhere) and if it can be configured to support a web-based interface, it does sound like a worthy replacement for Mercury32. 

IMHO, I have had too many problems with server/desktop mail systems as inevitably the mailserver gets hacked as the clients are always doing something weird and opening what they shouldn't. Having a web interface, even if it is just intranet, gives a level of security (browser sandboxing) that traditional mails servers and their clients just can not provide. Having the Cloud and being able to receive mail anywhere, on any device is another bonus.

Have you done some research into how and what service hMailServer provides?

Jim   

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2014 11:22:01 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Want to run you own EMail server

Hi Jim

We had Mercury/32 running for several years on an old W2000 box as a mail frontend for a custom application with monthly data sent forth and back. Zero issues. 
It can nearly run on every Windows setup if it can boot. 

That said, it was (I'm not familiar with the newer versions) a bit "special" to operate, so today for a new setup - mail only - I would probably choose hMailServer. Among other things, all mail is stored in a database you can access, and it has an extensive API for custom programming.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Jim Lawrence
Sendt: 23. oktober 2014 22:24
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Want to run you own EMail server

Hi Gustav:

Thanks for the heads up Gustav. :-)

It does seem that I will have to keep an old XP/Server2003 box (virtualized) anyways as I still have licences for Adobe Photoshop/Illustrator/inDesign and don't want to have to go the Cloud route and those monthly payment schedules. As well I need ConvertVMWare so I can hot and cold clone Windows installations. 

I ran up hServer on my Linux box, using Wine and it apparently it really works well. Other than network conflicts on ports 25,110 and 143, as expected and that I have not setup my MariaDB receipt port yet on my server2008 (just running it on localhost for the moment).
 
A friend has been using Mercury mail server for his server clients for around fifteen years and it apparently still does the job. ;-)

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 11:22:37 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Want to run you own EMail server

Hi Jim

> all you need is a 64bit box with 8 to 16 GB of RAM.

"all"? That could run an Exchange server. Probably overkill for most small shops.

All you need is an old XP box and zero money.

hMailServer:
https://www.hmailserver.com/documentation/v5.5/?page=system_requirements

or even W95(!)

Mercury/32:
http://www.pmail.com/overviews/ovw_mercwin.htm

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
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Sendt: 23. oktober 2014 06:05
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Emne: [dba-Tech] Want to run you own EMail server

Hi All:

If you want to run your own email server all you need is a 64bit box with 8 to 16 GB of RAM. 

http://www.zimbra.com/downloads/zimbra-collaboration?utm_campaign=newsletter&utm_source=hs_email&utm_medium=email&utm_content=14356144&_hsenc=p2ANqtz--4fJC2CD887an3_AfqFvyRsLp1sycEtWmRnLLDFeWYtGxeyl2zqaVKRgvaBrIZVGA7W39PXHHHFjdoBHjMMJZ3hJ-aAQ&_hsmi=14356144

There are community and trial versions but if you are going commercial expect to pay. Outfits like non-profits and even the DBA are offered free versions.

Jim   

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From gustav at cactus.dk  Sun Oct 26 03:13:56 2014
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2014 08:13:56 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Want to run you own EMail server
In-Reply-To: <1744595253.28055410.1414282260711.JavaMail.root@cds018>
References: <f85a39242a7644cfb44ce4c634fd9fae@AM2PR06MB0913.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>,
	<1744595253.28055410.1414282260711.JavaMail.root@cds018>
Message-ID: <1414311235669.25817@cactus.dk>

Hi Jim

Yes, it should work with both Roundcube and Squirrelmail frontends.
I have never tested this. They may have evolved, but to me the OWA (Outlook Web Access) was so superior that I was close to replace our old GroupWise and its Java webinterface with Exchange - but then arrived Outlook 365.

If you have ten users or less and need the web access - still for free - you also may consider SmarterMail:

http://help.smartertools.com/SmarterMail/v12/Default.aspx?qq=%2fSmarterMail%2fv12%2fTopics%2fGeneral%2fEditionComparison.aspx

/gustav

________________________________________
Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com <dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> p? vegne af Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca>
Sendt: 26. oktober 2014 02:11
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Want to run you own EMail server

The new hMailServer does sound like a good option. I have not looked into its feature yet but if it has Cloud capabilities (from anywhere to anywhere) and if it can be configured to support a web-based interface, it does sound like a worthy replacement for Mercury32.

IMHO, I have had too many problems with server/desktop mail systems as inevitably the mailserver gets hacked as the clients are always doing something weird and opening what they shouldn't. Having a web interface, even if it is just intranet, gives a level of security (browser sandboxing) that traditional mails servers and their clients just can not provide. Having the Cloud and being able to receive mail anywhere, on any device is another bonus.

Have you done some research into how and what service hMailServer provides?

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2014 11:22:01 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Want to run you own EMail server

Hi Jim

We had Mercury/32 running for several years on an old W2000 box as a mail frontend for a custom application with monthly data sent forth and back. Zero issues.
It can nearly run on every Windows setup if it can boot.

That said, it was (I'm not familiar with the newer versions) a bit "special" to operate, so today for a new setup - mail only - I would probably choose hMailServer. Among other things, all mail is stored in a database you can access, and it has an extensive API for custom programming.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Jim Lawrence
Sendt: 23. oktober 2014 22:24
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Want to run you own EMail server

Hi Gustav:

Thanks for the heads up Gustav. :-)

It does seem that I will have to keep an old XP/Server2003 box (virtualized) anyways as I still have licences for Adobe Photoshop/Illustrator/inDesign and don't want to have to go the Cloud route and those monthly payment schedules. As well I need ConvertVMWare so I can hot and cold clone Windows installations.

I ran up hServer on my Linux box, using Wine and it apparently it really works well. Other than network conflicts on ports 25,110 and 143, as expected and that I have not setup my MariaDB receipt port yet on my server2008 (just running it on localhost for the moment).

A friend has been using Mercury mail server for his server clients for around fifteen years and it apparently still does the job. ;-)

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 11:22:37 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Want to run you own EMail server

Hi Jim

> all you need is a 64bit box with 8 to 16 GB of RAM.

"all"? That could run an Exchange server. Probably overkill for most small shops.

All you need is an old XP box and zero money.

hMailServer:
https://www.hmailserver.com/documentation/v5.5/?page=system_requirements

or even W95(!)

Mercury/32:
http://www.pmail.com/overviews/ovw_mercwin.htm

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Jim Lawrence
Sendt: 23. oktober 2014 06:05
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Emne: [dba-Tech] Want to run you own EMail server

Hi All:

If you want to run your own email server all you need is a 64bit box with 8 to 16 GB of RAM.

http://www.zimbra.com/downloads/zimbra-collaboration?utm_campaign=newsletter&utm_source=hs_email&utm_medium=email&utm_content=14356144&_hsenc=p2ANqtz--4fJC2CD887an3_AfqFvyRsLp1sycEtWmRnLLDFeWYtGxeyl2zqaVKRgvaBrIZVGA7W39PXHHHFjdoBHjMMJZ3hJ-aAQ&_hsmi=14356144

There are community and trial versions but if you are going commercial expect to pay. Outfits like non-profits and even the DBA are offered free versions.

Jim


From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sun Oct 26 03:36:13 2014
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2014 18:36:13 +1000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Want to run you own EMail server
In-Reply-To: <1414311235669.25817@cactus.dk>
References: <f85a39242a7644cfb44ce4c634fd9fae@AM2PR06MB0913.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>,
	<1744595253.28055410.1414282260711.JavaMail.root@cds018>,
	<1414311235669.25817@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <544CB27D.24868.6CFE862C@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

I've seen a few Mercury/Squirrelmail combos.  They work well.

It should also work with Horde/Imp

 -- 
Stuart

On 26 Oct 2014 at 8:13, Gustav Brock wrote:

> Hi Jim
> 
> Yes, it should work with both Roundcube and Squirrelmail frontends. I
> have never tested this. They may have evolved, but to me the OWA
> (Outlook Web Access) was so superior that I was close to replace our
> old GroupWise and its Java webinterface with Exchange - but then
> arrived Outlook 365.
> 
> If you have ten users or less and need the web access - still for free
> - you also may consider SmarterMail:
> 


From accessd at shaw.ca  Sun Oct 26 15:39:44 2014
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2014 14:39:44 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Want to run you own EMail server
In-Reply-To: <544CB27D.24868.6CFE862C@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <525613045.28514134.1414355984816.JavaMail.root@cds018>

Stuart and Gustav:

Thanks a lot for all the great information! It will probably take a days before I decide on the best solution. :-)

Right now I am trying to find out why hMailServer still insists that ports 25, 110 and 143 are in use while netstat shows those ports are free. No firewall, router or other mail server listening or blocking. Any thoughts?

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Stuart McLachlan" <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2014 1:36:13 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Want to run you own EMail server

I've seen a few Mercury/Squirrelmail combos.  They work well.

It should also work with Horde/Imp

 -- 
Stuart

On 26 Oct 2014 at 8:13, Gustav Brock wrote:

> Hi Jim
> 
> Yes, it should work with both Roundcube and Squirrelmail frontends. I
> have never tested this. They may have evolved, but to me the OWA
> (Outlook Web Access) was so superior that I was close to replace our
> old GroupWise and its Java webinterface with Exchange - but then
> arrived Outlook 365.
> 
> If you have ten users or less and need the web access - still for free
> - you also may consider SmarterMail:
> 

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Oct 27 03:25:50 2014
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2014 02:25:50 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] OX App Suite
In-Reply-To: <525613045.28514134.1414355984816.JavaMail.root@cds018>
Message-ID: <45126786.28794155.1414398350430.JavaMail.root@cds018>

Hi All:

Here is an interesting product you might be interested in for yourself or for your clients...It is the OX Application Suite, fully OSS. Similar to a Cloud based SharePoint that runs on all platforms.

http://www.open-xchange.com/home

Quote:
"OX App Suite is a modular platform designed for Telco's, Hosters and Providers that delivers a wide range of cloud based services: services ranging from email, text, voice, video messaging, file sharing, collaboration, time management, storage solutions up to and including full integration with existing telephony systems."

This is just a start of what it can do. You can have it hosted on a public or on your own private Cloud. See OwnCloud.

Quote:

What?s in the box?

The central, user-friendly portal is the beating heart of the solution. This is where your users come for an at-a-glance view of their online activities. Fully customizable in line with your needs and theirs, this hub is the gateway to all your social needs as well as all OX App Suite apps:

OX Portal ? Your personal Dashboard

    User configurable widget based portal
    Social media integration: Facebook, Twitter, LinkedIn, Xing, Tumblr, etc.
    Configurable and Extendable: Own functionality and advertising
    View RSS feeds, calendar, tasks, files and multiple email accounts

OX Mail ? Clear and intuitive communications

    Business-grade email
    Delegation, shared accounts, send as/alias, unified inbox
    Integration into all modules (appointment generation, save to drive, etc.)
    Halo View: user-centric data mining

OX Calendar ? Schedule your business & private life

    Personal, shared and public calendars
    Resource management (conference lines, cars, etc.)
    Free/busy view makes meeting and group scheduling easy
    Manage external participants, multiple views and reminders

OX Contacts ? Centralized contact management

    Shared and public address books with full permission control
    Auto contact gathering
    Synchronization with other devices; native contact lists (e.g. mobile phone)
    Create shared and private mailing lists / appointments direct from contacts

OX Tasks ? Time management

    Scheduled and create tasks
    Create multi-user tasks
    Progress overview
    Built-in alerts, reminders and priority

OX Drive ? Cloud-based storage solution

    File and folder sharing
    Sync clients for Mac OS, Windows, Android, Linux & iOS
    Collaborative, real-time editing & document management
    Integrates into various backend storage options

OX Guard ? Security made simple

    Simple to use encryption ? Single-click
    Send encrypted emails to internal and external users
    Encrypt both emails and files
    Up-sell opportunities with customizable external email reader

OX Messenger ? Real-time communication

    Person to person video, voice and text chat
    Group video and text chat
    Presence indicator & full integration into OX App Suite
    Link-based communication (outside OX environment)

OX Text ? Create, share and collaborate

    Online word processing
    Reduce complexity and increase productivity
    Collaborate anytime, anywhere, across devices
    Compatible with MS Office and OpenOffice (LibraOffice)

OX Spreadsheet ? get your Sheet together

    Lossless round-trip editing for MS Excel (2007 and later)
    Import of cell styles and formating from Excel documents
    Support for extensive set of formulas (over 300)
    Collaborative spreadsheet sharing with exclusive editing rights

Jim





From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Oct 27 03:34:31 2014
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2014 02:34:31 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] OX App Suite
In-Reply-To: <45126786.28794155.1414398350430.JavaMail.root@cds018>
Message-ID: <1063923568.28795569.1414398871153.JavaMail.root@cds018>

PS:

Check out the demo... 

http://beta.core.ox.io/welcome/#pooled_gold_source_en_5df38d4482074fd4ab461a38e323bb18,trymeWelcome

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2014 1:25:50 AM
Subject: [dba-Tech] OX App Suite

Hi All:

Here is an interesting product you might be interested in for yourself or for your clients...It is the OX Application Suite, fully OSS. Similar to a Cloud based SharePoint that runs on all platforms.

http://www.open-xchange.com/home

Quote:
"OX App Suite is a modular platform designed for Telco's, Hosters and Providers that delivers a wide range of cloud based services: services ranging from email, text, voice, video messaging, file sharing, collaboration, time management, storage solutions up to and including full integration with existing telephony systems."

This is just a start of what it can do. You can have it hosted on a public or on your own private Cloud. See OwnCloud.

Quote:

What?s in the box?

The central, user-friendly portal is the beating heart of the solution. This is where your users come for an at-a-glance view of their online activities. Fully customizable in line with your needs and theirs, this hub is the gateway to all your social needs as well as all OX App Suite apps:

OX Portal ? Your personal Dashboard

    User configurable widget based portal
    Social media integration: Facebook, Twitter, LinkedIn, Xing, Tumblr, etc.
    Configurable and Extendable: Own functionality and advertising
    View RSS feeds, calendar, tasks, files and multiple email accounts

OX Mail ? Clear and intuitive communications

    Business-grade email
    Delegation, shared accounts, send as/alias, unified inbox
    Integration into all modules (appointment generation, save to drive, etc.)
    Halo View: user-centric data mining

OX Calendar ? Schedule your business & private life

    Personal, shared and public calendars
    Resource management (conference lines, cars, etc.)
    Free/busy view makes meeting and group scheduling easy
    Manage external participants, multiple views and reminders

OX Contacts ? Centralized contact management

    Shared and public address books with full permission control
    Auto contact gathering
    Synchronization with other devices; native contact lists (e.g. mobile phone)
    Create shared and private mailing lists / appointments direct from contacts

OX Tasks ? Time management

    Scheduled and create tasks
    Create multi-user tasks
    Progress overview
    Built-in alerts, reminders and priority

OX Drive ? Cloud-based storage solution

    File and folder sharing
    Sync clients for Mac OS, Windows, Android, Linux & iOS
    Collaborative, real-time editing & document management
    Integrates into various backend storage options

OX Guard ? Security made simple

    Simple to use encryption ? Single-click
    Send encrypted emails to internal and external users
    Encrypt both emails and files
    Up-sell opportunities with customizable external email reader

OX Messenger ? Real-time communication

    Person to person video, voice and text chat
    Group video and text chat
    Presence indicator & full integration into OX App Suite
    Link-based communication (outside OX environment)

OX Text ? Create, share and collaborate

    Online word processing
    Reduce complexity and increase productivity
    Collaborate anytime, anywhere, across devices
    Compatible with MS Office and OpenOffice (LibraOffice)

OX Spreadsheet ? get your Sheet together

    Lossless round-trip editing for MS Excel (2007 and later)
    Import of cell styles and formating from Excel documents
    Support for extensive set of formulas (over 300)
    Collaborative spreadsheet sharing with exclusive editing rights

Jim




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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Tue Oct 28 17:05:31 2014
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2014 08:05:31 +1000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Basic4Android and now Basic4IOS
In-Reply-To: <1063923568.28795569.1414398871153.JavaMail.root@cds018>
References: <45126786.28794155.1414398350430.JavaMail.root@cds018>,
	<1063923568.28795569.1414398871153.JavaMail.root@cds018>
Message-ID: <5450132B.30399.7A301305@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

As many of you are aware, I've recently been using Basic4Android to develop Android apps.   
For those looking for a multi-platform tool, the good news is  that Basic4IOS is coming soon 
for iDevices. It's currently in closed Beta release:

>From  the B4A forums, this is from the  first posting (back in July) of a 27 page thread.  (It's 
still looking like v1.00 will be out this year, there is already one demo app in the Apple store.):

"The work on B4i has already started. B4i will create native iOS applications. The language 
will be the same as B4A and B4J. The APIs will be similar in some cases and different in 
others.

In order to develop with B4i you will need an iOS device, an Apple developer account and a 
Mac computer. 

The B4i code will be converted to Objective C and then compiled with the regular Objective C 
compiler together with the libraries.
The rapid debugger will allow modifying the code without rebuilding the package making the 
"testing cycle" much quicker.

We are now at the first steps of the development of B4i. Many things have not yet been 
determined. It is hard to estimate when v1.00 will be ready.
I'm aiming for it to be released before the end of the year..."

Incidentally, although most of my stuff is for a client, I've now got some simple apps in the 
Playstore:  https://play.google.com/store/apps/developer?id=CAMCo&hl=en

-- 
Stuart

From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Oct 28 22:06:49 2014
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2014 21:06:49 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Basic4Android and now Basic4IOS
In-Reply-To: <5450132B.30399.7A301305@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <2027058220.30532965.1414552009284.JavaMail.root@cds018>

Hi Stuart:

I have looked at you applications and you have done an incredible job. :-) The Solar Calculator is particularly substantial...I can see just how much work you have done.

The proof of whether Basic4Android can do the job is definitely not in question and now that it is expanding to another platform is excellent.

Jim 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Stuart McLachlan" <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2014 3:05:31 PM
Subject: [dba-Tech] Basic4Android and now Basic4IOS

As many of you are aware, I've recently been using Basic4Android to develop Android apps.   
For those looking for a multi-platform tool, the good news is  that Basic4IOS is coming soon 
for iDevices. It's currently in closed Beta release:

>From  the B4A forums, this is from the  first posting (back in July) of a 27 page thread.  (It's 
still looking like v1.00 will be out this year, there is already one demo app in the Apple store.):

"The work on B4i has already started. B4i will create native iOS applications. The language 
will be the same as B4A and B4J. The APIs will be similar in some cases and different in 
others.

In order to develop with B4i you will need an iOS device, an Apple developer account and a 
Mac computer. 

The B4i code will be converted to Objective C and then compiled with the regular Objective C 
compiler together with the libraries.
The rapid debugger will allow modifying the code without rebuilding the package making the 
"testing cycle" much quicker.

We are now at the first steps of the development of B4i. Many things have not yet been 
determined. It is hard to estimate when v1.00 will be ready.
I'm aiming for it to be released before the end of the year..."

Incidentally, although most of my stuff is for a client, I've now got some simple apps in the 
Playstore:  https://play.google.com/store/apps/developer?id=CAMCo&hl=en

-- 
Stuart
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Wed Oct 29 06:25:50 2014
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2014 07:25:50 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Word is suddenly behaving strangely
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1i_PrLDSGh2mWMbiMHX_V1fmjaT0PiJzKiooJ-vbUboVg@mail.gmail.com>

For reasons I cannot fathom, Word (2007) has suddenly lost the top and
bottom margins of its Normal template. When I use the Page Layout ribbon,
Margins  dropdown, Normal is selected (1" top and bottom margins), but
that's not what I'm seeing on the monitor. It appears the type begins at
the very top of the page and ends at the very bottom.

Any idea how to restore it to what it looked like yesterday and all prior
days?

-- 
Arthur

From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Wed Oct 29 09:48:39 2014
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2014 10:48:39 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Question about Microsoft Snipping tool
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1gOmh38NmYHwd42Xmxdc+72GZfnQsV1ZELAR8Aht6LE1w@mail.gmail.com>

Is there any way to tell this tool to delay its capture for a few seconds,
so I can return to the screen of interest, drop down one of its menu items
and then wait for the capture? I need this ability for my current writing
project. So far, whenever I open a menu or a combo box then switch to the
Snipping Tool, the screen of interest returns to its state prior to my
opening a menu or combo box.

If Snipping Tool can't do this, do you have a suggestion for a tool that
can?

-- 
Arthur

From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Wed Oct 29 09:50:35 2014
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2014 14:50:35 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Question about Microsoft Snipping tool
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1gOmh38NmYHwd42Xmxdc+72GZfnQsV1ZELAR8Aht6LE1w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1gOmh38NmYHwd42Xmxdc+72GZfnQsV1ZELAR8Aht6LE1w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <976E500DD0AF35409874A413967BFAEC080F95@EX2K10-MBX5.ads.qub.ac.uk>

Arthur

We use snagit from techsmith and that works very well

http://www.techsmith.com/snagit.html?gclid=COWdyY6O0sECFVGWtAodkAkAtw


Martin


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: 29 October 2014 14:49
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] Question about Microsoft Snipping tool

Is there any way to tell this tool to delay its capture for a few seconds, so I can return to the screen of interest, drop down one of its menu items and then wait for the capture? I need this ability for my current writing project. So far, whenever I open a menu or a combo box then switch to the Snipping Tool, the screen of interest returns to its state prior to my opening a menu or combo box.

If Snipping Tool can't do this, do you have a suggestion for a tool that can?

--
Arthur
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From df.waters at outlook.com  Wed Oct 29 09:56:33 2014
From: df.waters at outlook.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2014 09:56:33 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Question about Microsoft Snipping tool
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1gOmh38NmYHwd42Xmxdc+72GZfnQsV1ZELAR8Aht6LE1w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1gOmh38NmYHwd42Xmxdc+72GZfnQsV1ZELAR8Aht6LE1w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BLU176-DS1DD805FC8AC5B2B7957AEF69C0@phx.gbl>

Hi Arthur,

I use SnagIt - which does exactly what you're looking for!

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 9:49 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] Question about Microsoft Snipping tool

Is there any way to tell this tool to delay its capture for a few seconds,
so I can return to the screen of interest, drop down one of its menu items
and then wait for the capture? I need this ability for my current writing
project. So far, whenever I open a menu or a combo box then switch to the
Snipping Tool, the screen of interest returns to its state prior to my
opening a menu or combo box.

If Snipping Tool can't do this, do you have a suggestion for a tool that
can?

--
Arthur
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From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Wed Oct 29 11:26:13 2014
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2014 19:26:13 +0300
Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?Basic4Android_and_now_Basic4IOS?=
In-Reply-To: <5450132B.30399.7A301305@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <45126786.28794155.1414398350430.JavaMail.root@cds018>
	<1063923568.28795569.1414398871153.JavaMail.root@cds018>
	<5450132B.30399.7A301305@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <1414599973.233593364@f214.i.mail.ru>

 Hi Stuart --

Thank you for your info on B4i. 
Will B4i allow to develop iOS apps without a?Mac computer running OS X 10.8 (Mountain Lion) or later?

As for your Andorid apps - I have tried top setup your Solar Calculator app on my son's Xony Xperia smartphone. Setup worked well but the running Solar Calculator app has some issues. Is it targeted for Android tablets only? -- Shamil

Wed, 29 Oct 2014 08:05:31 +1000 from "Stuart McLachlan" <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>:
>As many of you are aware, I've recently been using Basic4Android to develop Android apps. 
>For those looking for a multi-platform tool, the good news is  that Basic4IOS is coming soon 
>for iDevices. It's currently in closed Beta release:
>
>From  the B4A forums, this is from the  first posting (back in July) of a 27 page thread.  (It's 
>still looking like v1.00 will be out this year, there is already one demo app in the Apple store.):
>
>"The work on B4i has already started. B4i will create native iOS applications. The language 
>will be the same as B4A and B4J. The APIs will be similar in some cases and different in 
>others.
>
>In order to develop with B4i you will need an iOS device, an Apple developer account and a 
>Mac computer. 
>
>The B4i code will be converted to Objective C and then compiled with the regular Objective C 
>compiler together with the libraries.
>The rapid debugger will allow modifying the code without rebuilding the package making the 
>"testing cycle" much quicker.
>
>We are now at the first steps of the development of B4i. Many things have not yet been 
>determined. It is hard to estimate when v1.00 will be ready.
>I'm aiming for it to be released before the end of the year..."
>
>Incidentally, although most of my stuff is for a client, I've now got some simple apps in the 
>Playstore:  https://play.google.com/store/apps/developer?id=CAMCo&hl=en
>
>-- 
>Stuart
>_______________________________________________
>dba-Tech mailing list
>dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>Website:  http://www.databaseadvisors.com


From jbartow at winhaven.net  Wed Oct 29 11:28:04 2014
From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2014 11:28:04 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Question about Microsoft Snipping tool
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1gOmh38NmYHwd42Xmxdc+72GZfnQsV1ZELAR8Aht6LE1w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1gOmh38NmYHwd42Xmxdc+72GZfnQsV1ZELAR8Aht6LE1w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <019701cff395$5120bb50$f36231f0$@winhaven.net>

Arthur,
The problem is the mouse click required to choose area of interest once you
start the MS Snipping Tool. 
The solution is to:
-click cancel on the snipping tool
-open the dropdown (or other dynamic feature) that you wish to capture
-press the Ctrl + PrtScr key combination
-choose the area you wish to capture
-finish your task in Snipping Tool as usual

HTH
John B

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 9:49 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] Question about Microsoft Snipping tool

Is there any way to tell this tool to delay its capture for a few seconds,
so I can return to the screen of interest, drop down one of its menu items
and then wait for the capture? I need this ability for my current writing
project. So far, whenever I open a menu or a combo box then switch to the
Snipping Tool, the screen of interest returns to its state prior to my
opening a menu or combo box.

If Snipping Tool can't do this, do you have a suggestion for a tool that
can?

--
Arthur
_______________________________________________
dba-Tech mailing list
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From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Wed Oct 29 13:28:29 2014
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2014 14:28:29 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Word is suddenly behaving strangely
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1i_PrLDSGh2mWMbiMHX_V1fmjaT0PiJzKiooJ-vbUboVg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1i_PrLDSGh2mWMbiMHX_V1fmjaT0PiJzKiooJ-vbUboVg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <545131CD.4060803@torchlake.com>

Hi Arthur,
Check the View tab and see if it has inadvertently been switched to Web 
Layout.  If yes, click the Print Layout button.
TNF

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
231-322-2787

On 10/29/2014 7:25 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote:
> For reasons I cannot fathom, Word (2007) has suddenly lost the top and
> bottom margins of its Normal template. When I use the Page Layout ribbon,
> Margins  dropdown, Normal is selected (1" top and bottom margins), but
> that's not what I'm seeing on the monitor. It appears the type begins at
> the very top of the page and ends at the very bottom.
>
> Any idea how to restore it to what it looked like yesterday and all prior
> days?
>


From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Wed Oct 29 14:06:10 2014
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2014 15:06:10 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Question about Microsoft Snipping tool
In-Reply-To: <019701cff395$5120bb50$f36231f0$@winhaven.net>
References: <CAEPJO1gOmh38NmYHwd42Xmxdc+72GZfnQsV1ZELAR8Aht6LE1w@mail.gmail.com>
	<019701cff395$5120bb50$f36231f0$@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1iokw-QQ1GgziqFSXktWKdviaFJjrVE-U4F4o7PPTa9ZQ@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks, John B. I shall give that a Go pronto.

On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 12:28 PM, John R Bartow <jbartow at winhaven.net>
wrote:

> Arthur,
> The problem is the mouse click required to choose area of interest once you
> start the MS Snipping Tool.
> The solution is to:
> -click cancel on the snipping tool
> -open the dropdown (or other dynamic feature) that you wish to capture
> -press the Ctrl + PrtScr key combination
> -choose the area you wish to capture
> -finish your task in Snipping Tool as usual
>
> HTH
> John B
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
> Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 9:49 AM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: [dba-Tech] Question about Microsoft Snipping tool
>
> Is there any way to tell this tool to delay its capture for a few seconds,
> so I can return to the screen of interest, drop down one of its menu items
> and then wait for the capture? I need this ability for my current writing
> project. So far, whenever I open a menu or a combo box then switch to the
> Snipping Tool, the screen of interest returns to its state prior to my
> opening a menu or combo box.
>
> If Snipping Tool can't do this, do you have a suggestion for a tool that
> can?
>
> --
> Arthur
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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>



-- 
Arthur

From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Wed Oct 29 14:07:31 2014
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2014 15:07:31 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Word is suddenly behaving strangely
In-Reply-To: <545131CD.4060803@torchlake.com>
References: <CAEPJO1i_PrLDSGh2mWMbiMHX_V1fmjaT0PiJzKiooJ-vbUboVg@mail.gmail.com>
	<545131CD.4060803@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1hwzMJLx-dKPnTMU3FsK7Y0oKK-CO=USM_VaeAvW5S-zQ@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks, Tina I'll give that a Go right now and pray that it works.

A,

On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 2:28 PM, Tina Norris Fields <
tinanfields at torchlake.com> wrote:

> Hi Arthur,
> Check the View tab and see if it has inadvertently been switched to Web
> Layout.  If yes, click the Print Layout button.
> TNF
>
> Tina Norris Fields
> tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
> 231-322-2787
>
>
> On 10/29/2014 7:25 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote:
>
>> For reasons I cannot fathom, Word (2007) has suddenly lost the top and
>> bottom margins of its Normal template. When I use the Page Layout ribbon,
>> Margins  dropdown, Normal is selected (1" top and bottom margins), but
>> that's not what I'm seeing on the monitor. It appears the type begins at
>> the very top of the page and ends at the very bottom.
>>
>> Any idea how to restore it to what it looked like yesterday and all prior
>> days?
>>
>>
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>



-- 
Arthur

From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Wed Oct 29 16:44:12 2014
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2014 07:44:12 +1000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Question about Microsoft Snipping tool
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1gOmh38NmYHwd42Xmxdc+72GZfnQsV1ZELAR8Aht6LE1w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1gOmh38NmYHwd42Xmxdc+72GZfnQsV1ZELAR8Aht6LE1w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <54515FAC.27493.7F42EC5D@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

I use Irfanview to do this.

On 29 Oct 2014 at 10:48, Arthur Fuller wrote:

> Is there any way to tell this tool to delay its capture for a few
> seconds, so I can return to the screen of interest, drop down one of
> its menu items and then wait for the capture? I need this ability for
> my current writing project. So far, whenever I open a menu or a combo
> box then switch to the Snipping Tool, the screen of interest returns
> to its state prior to my opening a menu or combo box.
> 
> If Snipping Tool can't do this, do you have a suggestion for a tool
> that can?
> 
> -- 
> Arthur
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 



From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Wed Oct 29 16:47:28 2014
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2014 07:47:28 +1000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Basic4Android and now Basic4IOS
In-Reply-To: <1414599973.233593364@f214.i.mail.ru>
References: <45126786.28794155.1414398350430.JavaMail.root@cds018>,
	<5450132B.30399.7A301305@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>,
	<1414599973.233593364@f214.i.mail.ru>
Message-ID: <54516070.10617.7F45E75E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Hi Shamil,

I don't know much about b4i yet.  I can't answer that question.

The Solar calculator was originally designed for a tablet, but I have it running on a Samsung 
S2 phone.  Can you tell me what the screen resolution is on the Xperia? I will see whether I 
need another screen variant.

On 29 Oct 2014 at 19:26, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote:

>  Hi Stuart --
> 
> Thank you for your info on B4i. 
> Will B4i allow to develop iOS apps without a?Mac computer running OS
> X 10.8 (Mountain Lion) or later?
> 
> As for your Andorid apps - I have tried top setup your Solar
> Calculator app on my son's Xony Xperia smartphone. Setup worked well
> but the running Solar Calculator app has some issues. Is it targeted
> for Android tablets only? -- Shamil
> 
> Wed, 29 Oct 2014 08:05:31 +1000 from "Stuart McLachlan"
> <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>: >As many of you are aware, I've recently
> been using Basic4Android to develop Android apps. >For those looking
> for a multi-platform tool, the good news is  that Basic4IOS is coming
> soon >for iDevices. It's currently in closed Beta release: > >From 
> the B4A forums, this is from the  first posting (back in July) of a 27
> page thread.  (It's >still looking like v1.00 will be out this year,
> there is already one demo app in the Apple store.): > >"The work on
> B4i has already started. B4i will create native iOS applications. The
> language >will be the same as B4A and B4J. The APIs will be similar in
> some cases and different in >others. > >In order to develop with B4i
> you will need an iOS device, an Apple developer account and a >Mac
> computer. > >The B4i code will be converted to Objective C and then
> compiled with the regular Objective C >compiler together with the
> libraries. >The rapid debugger will allow modifying the code without
> rebuilding the package making the >"testing cycle" much quicker. > >We
> are now at the first steps of the development of B4i. Many things have
> not yet been >determined. It is hard to estimate when v1.00 will be
> ready. >I'm aiming for it to be released before the end of the
> year..." > >Incidentally, although most of my stuff is for a client,
> I've now got some simple apps in the >Playstore: 
> https://play.google.com/store/apps/developer?id=CAMCo&hl=en > >--
> >Stuart >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech
> mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: 
> http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com




From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Wed Oct 29 18:20:23 2014
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2014 19:20:23 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Question about Microsoft Snipping tool
In-Reply-To: <54515FAC.27493.7F42EC5D@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <CAEPJO1gOmh38NmYHwd42Xmxdc+72GZfnQsV1ZELAR8Aht6LE1w@mail.gmail.com>
	<54515FAC.27493.7F42EC5D@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1gtEGZTPX6YfGRy05EqdFAr3ErwfabP9yuPTmJUAK=MeQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hey Stuart,

I actually have IrfanView installed but never until now thought to go
there. Thanks for the Heads Up!

Arthur

On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 5:44 PM, Stuart McLachlan <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>
wrote:

> I use Irfanview to do this.
>
> On 29 Oct 2014 at 10:48, Arthur Fuller wrote:
>
> > Is there any way to tell this tool to delay its capture for a few
> > seconds, so I can return to the screen of interest, drop down one of
> > its menu items and then wait for the capture? I need this ability for
> > my current writing project. So far, whenever I open a menu or a combo
> > box then switch to the Snipping Tool, the screen of interest returns
> > to its state prior to my opening a menu or combo box.
> >
> > If Snipping Tool can't do this, do you have a suggestion for a tool
> > that can?
> >
> > --
> > Arthur
> > _______________________________________________
> > dba-Tech mailing list
> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>



-- 
Arthur

From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Wed Oct 29 18:32:42 2014
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2014 02:32:42 +0300
Subject: [dba-Tech] =?utf-8?q?Basic4Android_and_now_Basic4IOS?=
In-Reply-To: <54516070.10617.7F45E75E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <45126786.28794155.1414398350430.JavaMail.root@cds018>
	<1414599973.233593364@f214.i.mail.ru>
	<54516070.10617.7F45E75E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <1414625562.649939578@f322.i.mail.ru>


Hi Stuart --

The smartphone I used with your Solar Calculator is "Sony Xperia SP C5303"

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00C57U8DK

Its screen resolution is 720 x 1280

Thank you.

-- Shamil


Thu, 30 Oct 2014 07:47:28 +1000 from "Stuart McLachlan" <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>:
>Hi Shamil,
>
>I don't know much about b4i yet.  I can't answer that question.
>
>The Solar calculator was originally designed for a tablet, but I have it running on a Samsung 
>S2 phone.  Can you tell me what the screen resolution is on the Xperia? I will see whether I 
>need another screen variant.
>
>On 29 Oct 2014 at 19:26, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote:
>
>>  Hi Stuart --
>> 
>> Thank you for your info on B4i. 
>> Will B4i allow to develop iOS apps without a?Mac computer running OS
>> X 10.8 (Mountain Lion) or later?
>> 
>> As for your Andorid apps - I have tried top setup your Solar
>> Calculator app on my son's Xony Xperia smartphone. Setup worked well
>> but the running Solar Calculator app has some issues. Is it targeted
>> for Android tablets only? -- Shamil
>> 
>> Wed, 29 Oct 2014 08:05:31 +1000 from "Stuart McLachlan"
>> < stuart at lexacorp.com.pg >: >As many of you are aware, I've recently
>> been using Basic4Android to develop Android apps. >For those looking
>> for a multi-platform tool, the good news is  that Basic4IOS is coming
>> soon >for iDevices. It's currently in closed Beta release: > >From 
>> the B4A forums, this is from the  first posting (back in July) of a 27
>> page thread.  (It's >still looking like v1.00 will be out this year,
>> there is already one demo app in the Apple store.): > >"The work on
>> B4i has already started. B4i will create native iOS applications. The
>> language >will be the same as B4A and B4J. The APIs will be similar in
>> some cases and different in >others. > >In order to develop with B4i
>> you will need an iOS device, an Apple developer account and a >Mac
>> computer. > >The B4i code will be converted to Objective C and then
>> compiled with the regular Objective C >compiler together with the
>> libraries. >The rapid debugger will allow modifying the code without
>> rebuilding the package making the >"testing cycle" much quicker. > >We
>> are now at the first steps of the development of B4i. Many things have
>> not yet been >determined. It is hard to estimate when v1.00 will be
>> ready. >I'm aiming for it to be released before the end of the
>> year..." > >Incidentally, although most of my stuff is for a client,
>> I've now got some simple apps in the >Playstore: 
>>  https://play.google.com/store/apps/developer?id=CAMCo&hl=en > >--
>> >Stuart >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech
>> mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: 
>>  http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> dba-Tech mailing list
>>  dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>>  http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
>> Website:  http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>
>
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>dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Wed Oct 29 20:02:46 2014
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2014 11:02:46 +1000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Basic4Android and now Basic4IOS
In-Reply-To: <1414625562.649939578@f322.i.mail.ru>
References: <45126786.28794155.1414398350430.JavaMail.root@cds018>,
	<54516070.10617.7F45E75E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>,
	<1414625562.649939578@f322.i.mail.ru>
Message-ID: <54518E36.208.7FF8B606@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Ok, I'll take a look at that.

On 30 Oct 2014 at 2:32, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote:

> 
> Hi Stuart --
> 
> The smartphone I used with your Solar Calculator is "Sony Xperia SP
> C5303"
> 
> http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00C57U8DK
> 
> Its screen resolution is 720 x 1280
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> -- Shamil
> 
> 
> Thu, 30 Oct 2014 07:47:28 +1000 from "Stuart McLachlan"
> <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>: >Hi Shamil, > >I don't know much about b4i
> yet.  I can't answer that question. > >The Solar calculator was
> originally designed for a tablet, but I have it running on a Samsung
> >S2 phone.  Can you tell me what the screen resolution is on the
> Xperia? I will see whether I >need another screen variant. > >On 29
> Oct 2014 at 19:26, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote: > >>  Hi Stuart -- >>
> >> Thank you for your info on B4i. >> Will B4i allow to develop iOS
> apps without a?Mac computer running OS >> X 10.8 (Mountain Lion) or
> later? >> >> As for your Andorid apps - I have tried top setup your
> Solar >> Calculator app on my son's Xony Xperia smartphone. Setup
> worked well >> but the running Solar Calculator app has some issues.
> Is it targeted >> for Android tablets only? -- Shamil >> >> Wed, 29
> Oct 2014 08:05:31 +1000 from "Stuart McLachlan" >> <
> stuart at lexacorp.com.pg >: >As many of you are aware, I've recently >>
> been using Basic4Android to develop Android apps. >For those looking
> >> for a multi-platform tool, the good news is  that Basic4IOS is
> coming >> soon >for iDevices. It's currently in closed Beta release: >
> >From >> the B4A forums, this is from the  first posting (back in
> July) of a 27 >> page thread.  (It's >still looking like v1.00 will be
> out this year, >> there is already one demo app in the Apple store.):
> > >"The work on >> B4i has already started. B4i will create native iOS
> applications. The >> language >will be the same as B4A and B4J. The
> APIs will be similar in >> some cases and different in >others. > >In
> order to develop with B4i >> you will need an iOS device, an Apple
> developer account and a >Mac >> computer. > >The B4i code will be
> converted to Objective C and then >> compiled with the regular
> Objective C >compiler together with the >> libraries. >The rapid
> debugger will allow modifying the code without >> rebuilding the
> package making the >"testing cycle" much quicker. > >We >> are now at
> the first steps of the development of B4i. Many things have >> not yet
> been >determined. It is hard to estimate when v1.00 will be >> ready.
> >I'm aiming for it to be released before the end of the >> year..." >
> >Incidentally, although most of my stuff is for a client, >> I've now
> got some simple apps in the >Playstore: >> 
> https://play.google.com/store/apps/developer?id=CAMCo&hl=en > >-- >>
> >Stuart >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech >>
> mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> >
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: >> 
> http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >>
> _______________________________________________ >> dba-Tech mailing
> list >>  dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >> 
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >> Website: 
> http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > >
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> list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
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From jbartow at winhaven.net  Wed Oct 29 23:48:32 2014
From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2014 23:48:32 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Ad-blocker for Firefox
Message-ID: <034801cff3fc$c263eaf0$472bc0d0$@winhaven.net>

Jon Tydda once recommended and ad blocker or Firefox but I can find the
message now. Anyone remember which? Or Jon could you resend please?

John B


From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Thu Oct 30 00:14:32 2014
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2014 22:14:32 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Ad-blocker for Firefox
In-Reply-To: <034801cff3fc$c263eaf0$472bc0d0$@winhaven.net>
References: <034801cff3fc$c263eaf0$472bc0d0$@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <E457C7AD4B9E4B5683F1EB7170238231@HAL9007>

I use AdBlock Plus with Firefox.  No complaints.  Stays out of the way.  I
get no pop-ups.  

r

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John R Bartow
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 9:49 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: [dba-Tech] Ad-blocker for Firefox
Importance: High

Jon Tydda once recommended and ad blocker or Firefox but I can find the
message now. Anyone remember which? Or Jon could you resend please?

John B

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From jon.tydda at lonza.com  Thu Oct 30 04:07:42 2014
From: jon.tydda at lonza.com (Tydda Jon - Lonza Slough)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2014 09:07:42 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Ad-blocker for Firefox
In-Reply-To: <E457C7AD4B9E4B5683F1EB7170238231@HAL9007>
References: <034801cff3fc$c263eaf0$472bc0d0$@winhaven.net>
	<E457C7AD4B9E4B5683F1EB7170238231@HAL9007>
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Yes, that's the one I use too.


Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: 30 October 2014 05:15
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Ad-blocker for Firefox

I use AdBlock Plus with Firefox.  No complaints.  Stays out of the way.  I get no pop-ups.

r

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John R Bartow
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 9:49 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: [dba-Tech] Ad-blocker for Firefox
Importance: High

Jon Tydda once recommended and ad blocker or Firefox but I can find the message now. Anyone remember which? Or Jon could you resend please?

John B

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From jbartow at winhaven.net  Thu Oct 30 18:16:19 2014
From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2014 18:16:19 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Ad-blocker for Firefox
In-Reply-To: <1106ea93531e4de4afa158d2e8cee728@CHVEX12.lonzagroup.net>
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	<1106ea93531e4de4afa158d2e8cee728@CHVEX12.lonzagroup.net>
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bitte

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From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tydda Jon -
Lonza Slough
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 4:08 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Ad-blocker for Firefox

Yes, that's the one I use too.


Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: 30 October 2014 05:15
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Ad-blocker for Firefox

I use AdBlock Plus with Firefox.  No complaints.  Stays out of the way.  I
get no pop-ups.

r

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John R Bartow
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 9:49 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: [dba-Tech] Ad-blocker for Firefox
Importance: High

Jon Tydda once recommended and ad blocker or Firefox but I can find the
message now. Anyone remember which? Or Jon could you resend please?

John B

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From jbartow at winhaven.net  Thu Oct 30 18:16:19 2014
From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2014 18:16:19 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Ad-blocker for Firefox
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	<E457C7AD4B9E4B5683F1EB7170238231@HAL9007>
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danke

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 12:15 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Ad-blocker for Firefox

I use AdBlock Plus with Firefox.  No complaints.  Stays out of the way.  I
get no pop-ups.  

r

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John R Bartow
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 9:49 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: [dba-Tech] Ad-blocker for Firefox
Importance: High

Jon Tydda once recommended and ad blocker or Firefox but I can find the
message now. Anyone remember which? Or Jon could you resend please?

John B

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