From accessd at shaw.ca  Sat Aug  1 13:23:34 2015
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2015 12:23:34 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Little Windows 10 gotcha
In-Reply-To: <55BC4757.3040707@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1926439426.16464731.1438453414714.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

You wouldn't want to deprive Microsoft of making a good profit even it costs you? After all they are giving their OS away for free. ;-)

PS. Can you not find a WiFi hotspot in which to connect to?

Jim 

----- Original Message -----
From: "John W. Colby" <jwcolby at gmail.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, July 31, 2015 9:13:11 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Little Windows 10 gotcha

Yea, unless they are using my PC hitting the internet over my phone 
wifi, where I pay for every byte of data.

John W. Colby

On 8/1/2015 12:06 AM, Jim Lawrence wrote:
> Microsoft doesn't say it formally but it appears that they are using a torrent network to distribute their updates. It is actually a great method for broadcasting a fairly large amount of data without the initial servers being adversely impacted.
>
> Jim
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John W. Colby" <jwcolby at gmail.com>
> To: "DBA Tech" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Friday, July 31, 2015 6:58:50 PM
> Subject: [dba-Tech] Little Windows 10 gotcha
>
>
> http://thenextweb.com/microsoft/2015/07/30/windows-10-steals-your-bandwidth-to-send-other-people-updates/
>

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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sat Aug  1 18:13:02 2015
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sun, 02 Aug 2015 09:13:02 +1000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Little Windows 10 gotcha
In-Reply-To: <1926439426.16464731.1438453414714.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
References: <55BC4757.3040707@gmail.com>,
	<1926439426.16464731.1438453414714.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <55BD527E.31188.2B428B3@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

I'm in the same position as JC - as is everyone in PNG and many other parts of the world. 
And, no there are no such thing as free WiFi hotspots in this country.

The "free" Windows 10 at over 3GB  is going to cost me a couple of hundred dollars for each 
download even if I'm not being used as a torrent source.   

-- 
Stuart

On 1 Aug 2015 at 12:23, Jim Lawrence wrote:

> You wouldn't want to deprive Microsoft of making a good profit even it
> costs you? After all they are giving their OS away for free. ;-)
> 
> PS. Can you not find a WiFi hotspot in which to connect to?
> 
> Jim 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John W. Colby" <jwcolby at gmail.com>
> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
> <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com> Sent: Friday, July 31, 2015 9:13:11 PM
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Little Windows 10 gotcha
> 
> Yea, unless they are using my PC hitting the internet over my phone
> wifi, where I pay for every byte of data.
> 
> John W. Colby
> 
> On 8/1/2015 12:06 AM, Jim Lawrence wrote:
> > Microsoft doesn't say it formally but it appears that they are using
> > a torrent network to distribute their updates. It is actually a
> > great method for broadcasting a fairly large amount of data without
> > the initial servers being adversely impacted.
> >
> > Jim
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "John W. Colby" <jwcolby at gmail.com>
> > To: "DBA Tech" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Friday, July 31, 2015 6:58:50 PM
> > Subject: [dba-Tech] Little Windows 10 gotcha
> >
> >
> > http://thenextweb.com/microsoft/2015/07/30/windows-10-steals-your-ba
> > ndwidth-to-send-other-people-updates/
> >
> 
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Sun Aug  2 07:41:27 2015
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2015 08:41:27 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Little Windows 10 gotcha
In-Reply-To: <55BD527E.31188.2B428B3@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <55BC4757.3040707@gmail.com>
	<1926439426.16464731.1438453414714.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
	<55BD527E.31188.2B428B3@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1i0uXgQGs-U0=xU8X8ywMtqXe2M7Pu8_31YjeZx6SpcFQ@mail.gmail.com>

Wow, I had no idea that you were spending that kind of money to communicate
with fools like me. I hereby apogolgize for consuming your bandwith. Wow. I
didn't mean to to so. sorry.

On Sat, Aug 1, 2015 at 7:13 PM, Stuart McLachlan <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>
wrote:

> I'm in the same position as JC - as is everyone in PNG and many other
> parts of the world.
> And, no there are no such thing as free WiFi hotspots in this country.
>
> The "free" Windows 10 at over 3GB  is going to cost me a couple of hundred
> dollars for each
> download even if I'm not being used as a torrent source.
>
> --
> Stuart
>
> On 1 Aug 2015 at 12:23, Jim Lawrence wrote:
>
> > You wouldn't want to deprive Microsoft of making a good profit even it
> > costs you? After all they are giving their OS away for free. ;-)
> >
> > PS. Can you not find a WiFi hotspot in which to connect to?
> >
> > Jim
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "John W. Colby" <jwcolby at gmail.com>
> > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
> > <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com> Sent: Friday, July 31, 2015 9:13:11 PM
> > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Little Windows 10 gotcha
> >
> > Yea, unless they are using my PC hitting the internet over my phone
> > wifi, where I pay for every byte of data.
> >
> > John W. Colby
> >
> > On 8/1/2015 12:06 AM, Jim Lawrence wrote:
> > > Microsoft doesn't say it formally but it appears that they are using
> > > a torrent network to distribute their updates. It is actually a
> > > great method for broadcasting a fairly large amount of data without
> > > the initial servers being adversely impacted.
> > >
> > > Jim
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "John W. Colby" <jwcolby at gmail.com>
> > > To: "DBA Tech" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > Sent: Friday, July 31, 2015 6:58:50 PM
> > > Subject: [dba-Tech] Little Windows 10 gotcha
> > >
> > >
> > > http://thenextweb.com/microsoft/2015/07/30/windows-10-steals-your-ba
> > > ndwidth-to-send-other-people-updates/
> > >
> >
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-- 
Arthur

From jwcolby at gmail.com  Sun Aug  2 20:21:40 2015
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2015 21:21:40 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] I want one
Message-ID: <55BEC224.20904@gmail.com>

http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2015/08/02/nokia-corporation-just-leapfrogged-over-gopro-inc.aspx

-- 
John W. Colby


From jwcolby at gmail.com  Sun Aug  2 20:41:45 2015
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2015 21:41:45 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Ahh... user choice...
Message-ID: <55BEC6D9.7030809@gmail.com>

http://www.smh.com.au/digital-life/digital-life-news/mozilla-accuses-microsoft-of-throwing-away-user-choice-in-windows-10-20150802-gipzpd.html

-- 
John W. Colby


From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Sun Aug  2 20:43:49 2015
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2015 18:43:49 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Android Question
Message-ID: <E680E9A6554A4BD4ADE95C5B7F940B38@HAL9007>

My boys never answer their phones.  The ringer is off. They don't like
talking on the phone.  I think they think it's inefficient when by texting
they could be carrying on 6 conversations at once.
 
But what if I want them to answer the phone?  What if I or my wife need to
talk with them urgently?
 
So - is there a way (these are Galaxy S-3 and S-4 phones) to keep your phone
from ringing EXCEPT if the call is coming from a specified list of phone
numbers? (Is there an app for that?:))
 
MTIA
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
858-259-4334
www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> 
www.e-z-mrp.com <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/> 
Skype: rocky.smolin
 

From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Sun Aug  2 20:46:02 2015
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2015 18:46:02 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Ahh... user choice...
In-Reply-To: <55BEC6D9.7030809@gmail.com>
References: <55BEC6D9.7030809@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0B324EB8E8FF41BE8CAA28683C0092E6@HAL9007>

W10 had such promise as the "every other one is great" release.  And I'll
bet it was until marketing got hold of it and caused all of this
manipulative crap.  Still intending to wait for SP1...

r 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
John W. Colby
Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2015 6:42 PM
To: DBA Tech
Subject: [dba-Tech] Ahh... user choice...

http://www.smh.com.au/digital-life/digital-life-news/mozilla-accuses-microso
ft-of-throwing-away-user-choice-in-windows-10-20150802-gipzpd.html

--
John W. Colby

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From jwcolby at gmail.com  Sun Aug  2 21:24:27 2015
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2015 22:24:27 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Ahh... user choice...
In-Reply-To: <0B324EB8E8FF41BE8CAA28683C0092E6@HAL9007>
References: <55BEC6D9.7030809@gmail.com>
	<0B324EB8E8FF41BE8CAA28683C0092E6@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <55BED0DB.9040805@gmail.com>

Yea, this kind of crap doesn't help matters.

John W. Colby

On 8/2/2015 9:46 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote:
> W10 had such promise as the "every other one is great" release.  And I'll
> bet it was until marketing got hold of it and caused all of this
> manipulative crap.  Still intending to wait for SP1...
>
> r
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> John W. Colby
> Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2015 6:42 PM
> To: DBA Tech
> Subject: [dba-Tech] Ahh... user choice...
>
> http://www.smh.com.au/digital-life/digital-life-news/mozilla-accuses-microso
> ft-of-throwing-away-user-choice-in-windows-10-20150802-gipzpd.html
>
> --
> John W. Colby
>
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sun Aug  2 21:24:26 2015
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2015 12:24:26 +1000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Android Question
In-Reply-To: <E680E9A6554A4BD4ADE95C5B7F940B38@HAL9007>
References: <E680E9A6554A4BD4ADE95C5B7F940B38@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <55BED0DA.8184.889A974@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

You can assign ring tones to individual contacts so:

Set the default ringtone to "Silent" (which is the first Ringtone listed
on my S5) Set different ringtones for the contacts you want to hear about.

-- 
Stuart

On 2 Aug 2015 at 18:43, Rocky Smolin wrote:

> My boys never answer their phones.  The ringer is off. They don't like
> talking on the phone.  I think they think it's inefficient when by
> texting they could be carrying on 6 conversations at once.
> 
> But what if I want them to answer the phone?  What if I or my wife
> need to talk with them urgently?
> 
> So - is there a way (these are Galaxy S-3 and S-4 phones) to keep your
> phone from ringing EXCEPT if the call is coming from a specified list
> of phone numbers? (Is there an app for that?:))
> 
> MTIA
> 
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
> 858-259-4334
> www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> 
> www.e-z-mrp.com <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/> 
> Skype: rocky.smolin
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
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> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 



From jwcolby at gmail.com  Sun Aug  2 21:29:26 2015
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2015 22:29:26 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Android Question
In-Reply-To: <E680E9A6554A4BD4ADE95C5B7F940B38@HAL9007>
References: <E680E9A6554A4BD4ADE95C5B7F940B38@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <55BED206.9080106@gmail.com>

Or you could get with the program and text them... ;)

John W. Colby

On 8/2/2015 9:43 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote:
> My boys never answer their phones.  The ringer is off. They don't like
> talking on the phone.  I think they think it's inefficient when by texting
> they could be carrying on 6 conversations at once.
>   
> But what if I want them to answer the phone?  What if I or my wife need to
> talk with them urgently?
>   
> So - is there a way (these are Galaxy S-3 and S-4 phones) to keep your phone
> from ringing EXCEPT if the call is coming from a specified list of phone
> numbers? (Is there an app for that?:))
>   
> MTIA
>   
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
> 858-259-4334
> www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/>
> www.e-z-mrp.com <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
> Skype: rocky.smolin
>   
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sun Aug  2 21:45:02 2015
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2015 12:45:02 +1000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Android Question
In-Reply-To: <55BED206.9080106@gmail.com>
References: <E680E9A6554A4BD4ADE95C5B7F940B38@HAL9007>,
	<55BED206.9080106@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <55BED5AE.1523.89C85AF@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Baiya has had to start doing that with Cheryl. 

A text saying "Answer your phone. I need to TALK to you!"   :-)

-- 
Stuart

On 2 Aug 2015 at 22:29, John W. Colby wrote:

> Or you could get with the program and text them... ;)
> 
> John W. Colby
> 
> On 8/2/2015 9:43 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote:
> > My boys never answer their phones.  The ringer is off. They don't
> > like talking on the phone.  I think they think it's inefficient when
> > by texting they could be carrying on 6 conversations at once.
> >   
> > But what if I want them to answer the phone?  What if I or my wife
> > need to talk with them urgently?
> >   
> > So - is there a way (these are Galaxy S-3 and S-4 phones) to keep
> > your phone from ringing EXCEPT if the call is coming from a
> > specified list of phone numbers? (Is there an app for that?:))
> >   
> > MTIA
> >   
> > Rocky Smolin
> > Beach Access Software
> > 858-259-4334
> > www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/>
> > www.e-z-mrp.com <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
> > Skype: rocky.smolin
> >   
> > _______________________________________________
> > dba-Tech mailing list
> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> 
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Sun Aug  2 23:05:06 2015
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2015 21:05:06 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Android Question
In-Reply-To: <55BED206.9080106@gmail.com>
References: <E680E9A6554A4BD4ADE95C5B7F940B38@HAL9007>
	<55BED206.9080106@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <EC9CD0CF118F4EF48FE52B39502C3E26@HAL9007>

NEVER!  I WILL NOT BE ASSIMILATED! 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
John W. Colby
Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2015 7:29 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Android Question

Or you could get with the program and text them... ;)

John W. Colby

On 8/2/2015 9:43 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote:
> My boys never answer their phones.  The ringer is off. They don't like 
> talking on the phone.  I think they think it's inefficient when by 
> texting they could be carrying on 6 conversations at once.
>   
> But what if I want them to answer the phone?  What if I or my wife 
> need to talk with them urgently?
>   
> So - is there a way (these are Galaxy S-3 and S-4 phones) to keep your 
> phone from ringing EXCEPT if the call is coming from a specified list 
> of phone numbers? (Is there an app for that?:))
>   
> MTIA
>   
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
> 858-259-4334
> www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com 
> <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
> Skype: rocky.smolin
>   
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
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From eptept at gmail.com  Mon Aug  3 05:49:34 2015
From: eptept at gmail.com (Ed Tesiny)
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2015 06:49:34 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Android Question
In-Reply-To: <EC9CD0CF118F4EF48FE52B39502C3E26@HAL9007>
References: <E680E9A6554A4BD4ADE95C5B7F940B38@HAL9007>
	<55BED206.9080106@gmail.com>
	<EC9CD0CF118F4EF48FE52B39502C3E26@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <CAEkqQpU+-n=ObXOB_HMN9MWch0+JQ0YvzqstwjWtu0+CMbbZbA@mail.gmail.com>

Changing ringtones is a very good idea but I get a quick response (mostly)
by texting...you don't have to type it just use the voice recognition
thingy.

On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 12:05 AM, Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
wrote:

> NEVER!  I WILL NOT BE ASSIMILATED!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> John W. Colby
> Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2015 7:29 PM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Android Question
>
> Or you could get with the program and text them... ;)
>
> John W. Colby
>
> On 8/2/2015 9:43 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote:
> > My boys never answer their phones.  The ringer is off. They don't like
> > talking on the phone.  I think they think it's inefficient when by
> > texting they could be carrying on 6 conversations at once.
> >
> > But what if I want them to answer the phone?  What if I or my wife
> > need to talk with them urgently?
> >
> > So - is there a way (these are Galaxy S-3 and S-4 phones) to keep your
> > phone from ringing EXCEPT if the call is coming from a specified list
> > of phone numbers? (Is there an app for that?:))
> >
> > MTIA
> >
> > Rocky Smolin
> > Beach Access Software
> > 858-259-4334
> > www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com
> > <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/>
> > Skype: rocky.smolin
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > dba-Tech mailing list
> > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
>
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Aug  4 02:30:27 2015
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2015 01:30:27 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Little Windows 10 gotcha
In-Reply-To: <55BD527E.31188.2B428B3@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <317516028.18090270.1438673427987.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

But there isn't any world beyond high band-width networks and if there was they would have high speed networks? ;-)

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Stuart McLachlan" <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 1, 2015 4:13:02 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Little Windows 10 gotcha

I'm in the same position as JC - as is everyone in PNG and many other parts of the world. 
And, no there are no such thing as free WiFi hotspots in this country.

The "free" Windows 10 at over 3GB  is going to cost me a couple of hundred dollars for each 
download even if I'm not being used as a torrent source.   

-- 
Stuart

On 1 Aug 2015 at 12:23, Jim Lawrence wrote:

> You wouldn't want to deprive Microsoft of making a good profit even it
> costs you? After all they are giving their OS away for free. ;-)
> 
> PS. Can you not find a WiFi hotspot in which to connect to?
> 
> Jim 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John W. Colby" <jwcolby at gmail.com>
> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
> <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com> Sent: Friday, July 31, 2015 9:13:11 PM
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Little Windows 10 gotcha
> 
> Yea, unless they are using my PC hitting the internet over my phone
> wifi, where I pay for every byte of data.
> 
> John W. Colby
> 
> On 8/1/2015 12:06 AM, Jim Lawrence wrote:
> > Microsoft doesn't say it formally but it appears that they are using
> > a torrent network to distribute their updates. It is actually a
> > great method for broadcasting a fairly large amount of data without
> > the initial servers being adversely impacted.
> >
> > Jim
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "John W. Colby" <jwcolby at gmail.com>
> > To: "DBA Tech" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Friday, July 31, 2015 6:58:50 PM
> > Subject: [dba-Tech] Little Windows 10 gotcha
> >
> >
> > http://thenextweb.com/microsoft/2015/07/30/windows-10-steals-your-ba
> > ndwidth-to-send-other-people-updates/
> >
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From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Tue Aug  4 02:34:28 2015
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2015 07:34:28 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Little Windows 10 gotcha
In-Reply-To: <317516028.18090270.1438673427987.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
References: <55BD527E.31188.2B428B3@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<317516028.18090270.1438673427987.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <976E500DD0AF35409874A413967BFAEC390EC292@EX2K10-MBX6.ads.qub.ac.uk>

Cheaper to just buy it and have them ship it on USB


http://www.microsoftstore.com/store?Action=DisplayPage&Locale=en_US&SiteID=msusa&id=ThreePgCheckoutShoppingCartPage

Martin



-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: 04 August 2015 08:30
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Little Windows 10 gotcha

But there isn't any world beyond high band-width networks and if there was they would have high speed networks? ;-)

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Stuart McLachlan" <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 1, 2015 4:13:02 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Little Windows 10 gotcha

I'm in the same position as JC - as is everyone in PNG and many other parts of the world. 
And, no there are no such thing as free WiFi hotspots in this country.

The "free" Windows 10 at over 3GB  is going to cost me a couple of hundred dollars for each 
download even if I'm not being used as a torrent source.   

--
Stuart

On 1 Aug 2015 at 12:23, Jim Lawrence wrote:

> You wouldn't want to deprive Microsoft of making a good profit even it 
> costs you? After all they are giving their OS away for free. ;-)
> 
> PS. Can you not find a WiFi hotspot in which to connect to?
> 
> Jim
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John W. Colby" <jwcolby at gmail.com>
> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
> <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com> Sent: Friday, July 31, 2015 9:13:11 PM
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Little Windows 10 gotcha
> 
> Yea, unless they are using my PC hitting the internet over my phone 
> wifi, where I pay for every byte of data.
> 
> John W. Colby
> 
> On 8/1/2015 12:06 AM, Jim Lawrence wrote:
> > Microsoft doesn't say it formally but it appears that they are using 
> > a torrent network to distribute their updates. It is actually a 
> > great method for broadcasting a fairly large amount of data without 
> > the initial servers being adversely impacted.
> >
> > Jim
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "John W. Colby" <jwcolby at gmail.com>
> > To: "DBA Tech" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Friday, July 31, 2015 6:58:50 PM
> > Subject: [dba-Tech] Little Windows 10 gotcha
> >
> >
> > http://thenextweb.com/microsoft/2015/07/30/windows-10-steals-your-ba
> > ndwidth-to-send-other-people-updates/
> >
> 
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From df.waters at outlook.com  Tue Aug  4 08:32:35 2015
From: df.waters at outlook.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2015 08:32:35 -0500
Subject: [dba-Tech] Little Windows 10 gotcha
In-Reply-To: <976E500DD0AF35409874A413967BFAEC390EC292@EX2K10-MBX6.ads.qub.ac.uk>
References: <55BD527E.31188.2B428B3@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>,
	<317516028.18090270.1438673427987.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>,
	<976E500DD0AF35409874A413967BFAEC390EC292@EX2K10-MBX6.ads.qub.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <BLU176-W376E6FB1EFBCD721A0B8FFF6760@phx.gbl>

There is an option to download W10 as an ISO and get it onto a DVD.  If you are eligible for a free upgrade anyway, seems to me that someone could mail that DVD to you and you could just install.  Maybe there is a bug in that process but it perhaps it would work?
Dan

> From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk
> To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
> Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2015 07:34:28 +0000
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Little Windows 10 gotcha
> 
> Cheaper to just buy it and have them ship it on USB
> 
> 
> http://www.microsoftstore.com/store?Action=DisplayPage&Locale=en_US&SiteID=msusa&id=ThreePgCheckoutShoppingCartPage
> 
> Martin
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
> Sent: 04 August 2015 08:30
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Little Windows 10 gotcha
> 
> But there isn't any world beyond high band-width networks and if there was they would have high speed networks? ;-)
> 
> Jim
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Stuart McLachlan" <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>
> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Saturday, August 1, 2015 4:13:02 PM
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Little Windows 10 gotcha
> 
> I'm in the same position as JC - as is everyone in PNG and many other parts of the world. 
> And, no there are no such thing as free WiFi hotspots in this country.
> 
> The "free" Windows 10 at over 3GB  is going to cost me a couple of hundred dollars for each 
> download even if I'm not being used as a torrent source.   
> 
> --
> Stuart
> 
> On 1 Aug 2015 at 12:23, Jim Lawrence wrote:
> 
> > You wouldn't want to deprive Microsoft of making a good profit even it 
> > costs you? After all they are giving their OS away for free. ;-)
> > 
> > PS. Can you not find a WiFi hotspot in which to connect to?
> > 
> > Jim
> > 
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "John W. Colby" <jwcolby at gmail.com>
> > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
> > <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com> Sent: Friday, July 31, 2015 9:13:11 PM
> > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Little Windows 10 gotcha
> > 
> > Yea, unless they are using my PC hitting the internet over my phone 
> > wifi, where I pay for every byte of data.
> > 
> > John W. Colby
> > 
> > On 8/1/2015 12:06 AM, Jim Lawrence wrote:
> > > Microsoft doesn't say it formally but it appears that they are using 
> > > a torrent network to distribute their updates. It is actually a 
> > > great method for broadcasting a fairly large amount of data without 
> > > the initial servers being adversely impacted.
> > >
> > > Jim
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "John W. Colby" <jwcolby at gmail.com>
> > > To: "DBA Tech" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > Sent: Friday, July 31, 2015 6:58:50 PM
> > > Subject: [dba-Tech] Little Windows 10 gotcha
> > >
> > >
> > > http://thenextweb.com/microsoft/2015/07/30/windows-10-steals-your-ba
> > > ndwidth-to-send-other-people-updates/
> > >
> > 
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From jwcolby at gmail.com  Wed Aug  5 22:48:48 2015
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2015 23:48:48 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Have a few megawatts hanging around?
Message-ID: <55C2D920.2070900@gmail.com>

http://www.zdnet.com/article/amd-plans-to-super-size-its-processor/

-- 
John W. Colby


From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Aug  5 23:33:15 2015
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2015 22:33:15 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Have a few megawatts hanging around?
In-Reply-To: <55C2D920.2070900@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2089818371.19474964.1438835595007.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

That's awesome. So when are they coming to the desktop? Do they have to be liquid cooled?

The US government has just announced that they are funding a new super computer, that should out perform China's Tianhe-2.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "John W. Colby" <jwcolby at gmail.com>
To: "DBA Tech" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 5, 2015 8:48:48 PM
Subject: [dba-Tech] Have a few megawatts hanging around?

http://www.zdnet.com/article/amd-plans-to-super-size-its-processor/

-- 
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Aug  6 11:01:43 2015
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2015 10:01:43 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] The price of free Windows 10
In-Reply-To: <55BC27DA.20206@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <955540268.19737490.1438876903346.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

There is a price for a free Windows 10 and whether you feel it is a price you are willing to pay is up to you.

As noted Windows 10 is less a desktop and more a Cloud based application, that is very connected via the internet and to the Mothership. For those with ample bandwidth its main design is not a problem. This leads to the other main issue of privacy. The policy is that Microsoft give no promise of any privacy to personal data, whether usage, where ever you may search, all applications you use, who you associate with, any interests you may have, provide no security as they manage your SSH and other encryption keys. Your information and content is basically theirs to do with as they please; third party vendors or government agencies. Also extensive validation is enforced on all data and applications to see whether programs are properly registered, proper certification on all communication and DRM to prevent unauthorized redistribution of digital media and restrict the ways consumers can copy content. So when it is said that Windows 10 is free, the answer is yes and no.

http://www.rt.com/usa/311304-new-windows-privacy-issues

There are many articles on the subject. The above is just one of hundreds of links. I do not say that you should not use Windows 10 but I would suggest you use it on a computer separate the rest of the network and/or deploy it via a virtual machine. So as long as you use Windows10, everywhere you go, everything you do, all transactions you make, every one you associate with, every program up run, any data you have is being monitored and no tin-hat is going to help you. (It is hardly the OS you would launch within a secure business environment.) The one good thing is that Microsoft made no pretence of your personal privacy so you know where you stand. 

Jim  


From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Thu Aug  6 11:46:13 2015
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2015 16:46:13 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] The price of free Windows 10
In-Reply-To: <955540268.19737490.1438876903346.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
References: <55BC27DA.20206@gmail.com>,
	<955540268.19737490.1438876903346.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <976E500DD0AF35409874A413967BFAEC390ED866@EX2K10-MBX6.ads.qub.ac.uk>

Unless you go to privacy settings and turn it of. What's it really matter when various security services grab it all anyway.

Martin
________________________________
From: Jim Lawrence<mailto:accessd at shaw.ca>
Sent: ?06/?08/?2015 17:02
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues<mailto:dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: [dba-Tech] The price of free Windows 10

There is a price for a free Windows 10 and whether you feel it is a price you are willing to pay is up to you.

As noted Windows 10 is less a desktop and more a Cloud based application, that is very connected via the internet and to the Mothership. For those with ample bandwidth its main design is not a problem. This leads to the other main issue of privacy. The policy is that Microsoft give no promise of any privacy to personal data, whether usage, where ever you may search, all applications you use, who you associate with, any interests you may have, provide no security as they manage your SSH and other encryption keys. Your information and content is basically theirs to do with as they please; third party vendors or government agencies. Also extensive validation is enforced on all data and applications to see whether programs are properly registered, proper certification on all communication and DRM to prevent unauthorized redistribution of digital media and restrict the ways consumers can copy content. So when it is said that Windows 10 is free, the answer is yes and no.

http://www.rt.com/usa/311304-new-windows-privacy-issues

There are many articles on the subject. The above is just one of hundreds of links. I do not say that you should not use Windows 10 but I would suggest you use it on a computer separate the rest of the network and/or deploy it via a virtual machine. So as long as you use Windows10, everywhere you go, everything you do, all transactions you make, every one you associate with, every program up run, any data you have is being monitored and no tin-hat is going to help you. (It is hardly the OS you would launch within a secure business environment.) The one good thing is that Microsoft made no pretence of your personal privacy so you know where you stand.

Jim

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From jwcolby at gmail.com  Thu Aug  6 11:54:45 2015
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2015 12:54:45 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] The price of free Windows 10
In-Reply-To: <955540268.19737490.1438876903346.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
References: <955540268.19737490.1438876903346.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <55C39155.4070407@gmail.com>

You know that makes a good point.  What does MS intend to do with 
Government?  I would guess no government in the world would install this.

I have been reading article after article trying to get a handle on 
exactly this issue and it appears that it is EXTREMELY difficult to 
disable all of the spying, and in fact may simply not be possible. And 
if you do then many of the "features" get disabled as well.  I would 
have no problem if the OS collected this data and STORED (AND PROCESSED) 
IT LOCALLY, but shipping it lock stock and barrel to the cloud is a show 
stopper for me.  And sharing it with anyone that MS pleases means that I 
will simply NEVER go there.

What were they thinking?

In fact for the first time in my life I am considering just wholesale 
move to Linux for the future.  The absolute, explicit and acknowledged 
collection of every single thing you do is something I personally am 
just not willing to do.  The y went from c wholesale crappy interface to 
a wholesale crappy data collection policy.  This is just another bomb in 
my estimation.

John W. Colby

On 8/6/2015 12:01 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote:
> There is a price for a free Windows 10 and whether you feel it is a price you are willing to pay is up to you.
>
> As noted Windows 10 is less a desktop and more a Cloud based application, that is very connected via the internet and to the Mothership. For those with ample bandwidth its main design is not a problem. This leads to the other main issue of privacy. The policy is that Microsoft give no promise of any privacy to personal data, whether usage, where ever you may search, all applications you use, who you associate with, any interests you may have, provide no security as they manage your SSH and other encryption keys. Your information and content is basically theirs to do with as they please; third party vendors or government agencies. Also extensive validation is enforced on all data and applications to see whether programs are properly registered, proper certification on all communication and DRM to prevent unauthorized redistribution of digital media and restrict the ways consumers can copy content. So when it is said that Windows 10 is free, the answer is yes and no.
>
> http://www.rt.com/usa/311304-new-windows-privacy-issues
>
> There are many articles on the subject. The above is just one of hundreds of links. I do not say that you should not use Windows 10 but I would suggest you use it on a computer separate the rest of the network and/or deploy it via a virtual machine. So as long as you use Windows10, everywhere you go, everything you do, all transactions you make, every one you associate with, every program up run, any data you have is being monitored and no tin-hat is going to help you. (It is hardly the OS you would launch within a secure business environment.) The one good thing is that Microsoft made no pretence of your personal privacy so you know where you stand.
>
> Jim
>
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From jwcolby at gmail.com  Thu Aug  6 12:17:52 2015
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2015 13:17:52 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] The price of free Windows 10
In-Reply-To: <976E500DD0AF35409874A413967BFAEC390ED866@EX2K10-MBX6.ads.qub.ac.uk>
References: <55BC27DA.20206@gmail.com>
	<955540268.19737490.1438876903346.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
	<976E500DD0AF35409874A413967BFAEC390ED866@EX2K10-MBX6.ads.qub.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <55C396C0.30403@gmail.com>

Martin,

1) According to my readings there are something like 15 PAGES that have 
to be visited to "turn it all off"
2) The data is shipped to the cloud.  The cloud is a sieve leaking data 
to any bad guy out there.
3) MS makes no bones about using the data to sell to advertisers.  I 
don't think so!
4) Security agencies are not my concern.  I am no criminal so I could 
care less.  Hackers, bad guys stealing identities etc, THAT I care about.

And from what I am reading this is ALL shipped up to the cloud. THAT is 
insane.

MS needs to clearly and concisely define what is shipped out of my 
network.  It needs to have a "master switch" to turn it all off.  Or at 
least a single (and short) page.

Look, Google collects everything right?  But if I want to I can use 
other search engines including ones that swear they don't log or use 
anything.  With Windows 10, MS programs the data collection right into 
the OS, TELLS us they are doing this, and TELLS us that they intend to 
sell it to marketers to target me with Ads.  Not some aggregate data, 
SPECIFIC TO ME!!!

So give me a single point "turn it all off" switch and I will use 
whatever is left of the OS.

I think that MS has forgotten that I use Windows to LAUNCH PROGRAMS.  It 
is supposed to feed the screen, read and write to the disk, handle data 
to and from the network.  And so I open windows (7) and use it to open 
Excel, Word, Remote Desktop, my games, a browser, Band in a Box...  
PROGRAMS.

The OS is a PROGRAM LAUNCHER, or at least that is what I USE IT FOR,  
and all I want it to be.  It is supposed to take an amalgamation of 
hardware (a PC) and turn it into a system that can BE whatever I want, 
whether that is a pong video game or a word processor.  The OS is a 
platform, NOT a destination!  And most certainly NOT a spy and a sales 
tool for MS.

John W. Colby

On 8/6/2015 12:46 PM, Martin Reid wrote:
> Unless you go to privacy settings and turn it of. What's it really matter when various security services grab it all anyway.
>
> Martin
> ________________________________
> From: Jim Lawrence<mailto:accessd at shaw.ca>
> Sent: ?06/?08/?2015 17:02
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues<mailto:dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Subject: [dba-Tech] The price of free Windows 10
>
> There is a price for a free Windows 10 and whether you feel it is a price you are willing to pay is up to you.
>
> As noted Windows 10 is less a desktop and more a Cloud based application, that is very connected via the internet and to the Mothership. For those with ample bandwidth its main design is not a problem. This leads to the other main issue of privacy. The policy is that Microsoft give no promise of any privacy to personal data, whether usage, where ever you may search, all applications you use, who you associate with, any interests you may have, provide no security as they manage your SSH and other encryption keys. Your information and content is basically theirs to do with as they please; third party vendors or government agencies. Also extensive validation is enforced on all data and applications to see whether programs are properly registered, proper certification on all communication and DRM to prevent unauthorized redistribution of digital media and restrict the ways consumers can copy content. So when it is said that Windows 10 is free, the answer is yes and no.
>
> http://www.rt.com/usa/311304-new-windows-privacy-issues
>
> There are many articles on the subject. The above is just one of hundreds of links. I do not say that you should not use Windows 10 but I would suggest you use it on a computer separate the rest of the network and/or deploy it via a virtual machine. So as long as you use Windows10, everywhere you go, everything you do, all transactions you make, every one you associate with, every program up run, any data you have is being monitored and no tin-hat is going to help you. (It is hardly the OS you would launch within a secure business environment.) The one good thing is that Microsoft made no pretence of your personal privacy so you know where you stand.
>
> Jim
>
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From jwcolby at gmail.com  Thu Aug  6 12:21:34 2015
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2015 13:21:34 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] The price of free Windows 10
In-Reply-To: <976E500DD0AF35409874A413967BFAEC390ED866@EX2K10-MBX6.ads.qub.ac.uk>
References: <55BC27DA.20206@gmail.com>
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	<976E500DD0AF35409874A413967BFAEC390ED866@EX2K10-MBX6.ads.qub.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <55C3979E.7070405@gmail.com>

from this:

http://www.zdnet.com/article/how-to-secure-windows-10-the-paranoids-guide/

For example, whileWindows 10 doesn't have a keylogger 
<http://www.zdnet.com/article/does-windows-10-really-include-a-keylogger-spoiler-no/>it/does/collect 
your keystrokes and voice to improve spell-checking and voice 
recognition. Before having a fit about this, keep in mind 
that/every/cloud-based software-as-a-service (SaaS) program does this to 
one degree or another. Google Docs, Apple's Siri, Office 365, whatever 
-- they all collect not just your final words but every keystroke and 
spoken syllable that went into making those words.

So this is supposed to make me feel better about the OS doing it? I can 
choose not to use Siri etc.  I can't choose not to use the OS itself.

John W. Colby

On 8/6/2015 12:46 PM, Martin Reid wrote:
> Unless you go to privacy settings and turn it of. What's it really matter when various security services grab it all anyway.
>
> Martin
> ________________________________
> From: Jim Lawrence<mailto:accessd at shaw.ca>
> Sent: ?06/?08/?2015 17:02
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues<mailto:dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Subject: [dba-Tech] The price of free Windows 10
>
> There is a price for a free Windows 10 and whether you feel it is a price you are willing to pay is up to you.
>
> As noted Windows 10 is less a desktop and more a Cloud based application, that is very connected via the internet and to the Mothership. For those with ample bandwidth its main design is not a problem. This leads to the other main issue of privacy. The policy is that Microsoft give no promise of any privacy to personal data, whether usage, where ever you may search, all applications you use, who you associate with, any interests you may have, provide no security as they manage your SSH and other encryption keys. Your information and content is basically theirs to do with as they please; third party vendors or government agencies. Also extensive validation is enforced on all data and applications to see whether programs are properly registered, proper certification on all communication and DRM to prevent unauthorized redistribution of digital media and restrict the ways consumers can copy content. So when it is said that Windows 10 is free, the answer is yes and no.
>
> http://www.rt.com/usa/311304-new-windows-privacy-issues
>
> There are many articles on the subject. The above is just one of hundreds of links. I do not say that you should not use Windows 10 but I would suggest you use it on a computer separate the rest of the network and/or deploy it via a virtual machine. So as long as you use Windows10, everywhere you go, everything you do, all transactions you make, every one you associate with, every program up run, any data you have is being monitored and no tin-hat is going to help you. (It is hardly the OS you would launch within a secure business environment.) The one good thing is that Microsoft made no pretence of your personal privacy so you know where you stand.
>
> Jim
>
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From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Thu Aug  6 16:15:10 2015
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2015 21:15:10 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] The price of free Windows 10
In-Reply-To: <55C3979E.7070405@gmail.com>
References: <55BC27DA.20206@gmail.com>
	<955540268.19737490.1438876903346.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
	<976E500DD0AF35409874A413967BFAEC390ED866@EX2K10-MBX6.ads.qub.ac.uk>,
	<55C3979E.7070405@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <976E500DD0AF35409874A413967BFAEC390ED98C@EX2K10-MBX6.ads.qub.ac.uk>

John

That the post I used to turn it all of on my tablet. I also don't use ms account for sign in I use a local account. I will be turning off as much as possible re personal info.

Martin
________________________________
From: John W. Colby<mailto:jwcolby at gmail.com>
Sent: ?06/?08/?2015 18:22
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues<mailto:dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] The price of free Windows 10

from this:

http://www.zdnet.com/article/how-to-secure-windows-10-the-paranoids-guide/

For example, whileWindows 10 doesn't have a keylogger
<http://www.zdnet.com/article/does-windows-10-really-include-a-keylogger-spoiler-no/>it/does/collect
your keystrokes and voice to improve spell-checking and voice
recognition. Before having a fit about this, keep in mind
that/every/cloud-based software-as-a-service (SaaS) program does this to
one degree or another. Google Docs, Apple's Siri, Office 365, whatever
-- they all collect not just your final words but every keystroke and
spoken syllable that went into making those words.

So this is supposed to make me feel better about the OS doing it? I can
choose not to use Siri etc.  I can't choose not to use the OS itself.

John W. Colby

On 8/6/2015 12:46 PM, Martin Reid wrote:
> Unless you go to privacy settings and turn it of. What's it really matter when various security services grab it all anyway.
>
> Martin
> ________________________________
> From: Jim Lawrence<mailto:accessd at shaw.ca>
> Sent: ?06/?08/?2015 17:02
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues<mailto:dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Subject: [dba-Tech] The price of free Windows 10
>
> There is a price for a free Windows 10 and whether you feel it is a price you are willing to pay is up to you.
>
> As noted Windows 10 is less a desktop and more a Cloud based application, that is very connected via the internet and to the Mothership. For those with ample bandwidth its main design is not a problem. This leads to the other main issue of privacy. The policy is that Microsoft give no promise of any privacy to personal data, whether usage, where ever you may search, all applications you use, who you associate with, any interests you may have, provide no security as they manage your SSH and other encryption keys. Your information and content is basically theirs to do with as they please; third party vendors or government agencies. Also extensive validation is enforced on all data and applications to see whether programs are properly registered, proper certification on all communication and DRM to prevent unauthorized redistribution of digital media and restrict the ways consumers can copy content. So when it is said that Windows 10 is free, the answer is yes and no.
>
> http://www.rt.com/usa/311304-new-windows-privacy-issues
>
> There are many articles on the subject. The above is just one of hundreds of links. I do not say that you should not use Windows 10 but I would suggest you use it on a computer separate the rest of the network and/or deploy it via a virtual machine. So as long as you use Windows10, everywhere you go, everything you do, all transactions you make, every one you associate with, every program up run, any data you have is being monitored and no tin-hat is going to help you. (It is hardly the OS you would launch within a secure business environment.) The one good thing is that Microsoft made no pretence of your personal privacy so you know where you stand.
>
> Jim
>
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From hkotsch at arcor.de  Sat Aug  8 06:49:50 2015
From: hkotsch at arcor.de (Helmut Kotsch)
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2015 13:49:50 +0200
Subject: [dba-Tech] The price of free Windows 10
In-Reply-To: <976E500DD0AF35409874A413967BFAEC390ED98C@EX2K10-MBX6.ads.qub.ac.uk>
References: <55BC27DA.20206@gmail.com>	<955540268.19737490.1438876903346.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>	<976E500DD0AF35409874A413967BFAEC390ED866@EX2K10-MBX6.ads.qub.ac.uk>,
	<55C3979E.7070405@gmail.com>
	<976E500DD0AF35409874A413967BFAEC390ED98C@EX2K10-MBX6.ads.qub.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <002501d0d1d0$554b37e0$ffe1a7a0$@de>

How about this nifty tool?

?Stop Windows 10 spying dead in its tracks with one free app?

http://pxc-coding.com/portfolio/donotspy10/

Helmut

-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Im Auftrag von
Martin Reid
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 6. August 2015 23:15
An: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Betreff: Re: [dba-Tech] The price of free Windows 10

John

That the post I used to turn it all of on my tablet. I also don't use ms
account for sign in I use a local account. I will be turning off as much as
possible re personal info.

Martin
________________________________
From: John W. Colby<mailto:jwcolby at gmail.com>
Sent: ?06/?08/?2015 18:22
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software
issues<mailto:dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] The price of free Windows 10

from this:

http://www.zdnet.com/article/how-to-secure-windows-10-the-paranoids-guide/

For example, whileWindows 10 doesn't have a keylogger
<http://www.zdnet.com/article/does-windows-10-really-include-a-keylogger-spo
iler-no/>it/does/collect
your keystrokes and voice to improve spell-checking and voice recognition.
Before having a fit about this, keep in mind that/every/cloud-based
software-as-a-service (SaaS) program does this to one degree or another.
Google Docs, Apple's Siri, Office 365, whatever
-- they all collect not just your final words but every keystroke and spoken
syllable that went into making those words.

So this is supposed to make me feel better about the OS doing it? I can
choose not to use Siri etc.  I can't choose not to use the OS itself.

John W. Colby

On 8/6/2015 12:46 PM, Martin Reid wrote:
> Unless you go to privacy settings and turn it of. What's it really matter
when various security services grab it all anyway.
>
> Martin
> ________________________________
> From: Jim Lawrence<mailto:accessd at shaw.ca>
> Sent: ?06/?08/?2015 17:02
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software 
> issues<mailto:dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Subject: [dba-Tech] The price of free Windows 10
>
> There is a price for a free Windows 10 and whether you feel it is a price
you are willing to pay is up to you.
>
> As noted Windows 10 is less a desktop and more a Cloud based application,
that is very connected via the internet and to the Mothership. For those
with ample bandwidth its main design is not a problem. This leads to the
other main issue of privacy. The policy is that Microsoft give no promise of
any privacy to personal data, whether usage, where ever you may search, all
applications you use, who you associate with, any interests you may have,
provide no security as they manage your SSH and other encryption keys. Your
information and content is basically theirs to do with as they please; third
party vendors or government agencies. Also extensive validation is enforced
on all data and applications to see whether programs are properly
registered, proper certification on all communication and DRM to prevent
unauthorized redistribution of digital media and restrict the ways consumers
can copy content. So when it is said that Windows 10 is free, the answer is
yes and no.
>
> http://www.rt.com/usa/311304-new-windows-privacy-issues
>
> There are many articles on the subject. The above is just one of hundreds
of links. I do not say that you should not use Windows 10 but I would
suggest you use it on a computer separate the rest of the network and/or
deploy it via a virtual machine. So as long as you use Windows10, everywhere
you go, everything you do, all transactions you make, every one you
associate with, every program up run, any data you have is being monitored
and no tin-hat is going to help you. (It is hardly the OS you would launch
within a secure business environment.) The one good thing is that Microsoft
made no pretence of your personal privacy so you know where you stand.
>
> Jim
>
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com 
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sat Aug  8 11:13:21 2015
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2015 10:13:21 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] The price of free Windows 10
In-Reply-To: <002501d0d1d0$554b37e0$ffe1a7a0$@de>
Message-ID: <1799890988.21211678.1439050401772.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

I receive this message when accessing the site: "This domain is blocked due to a phishing threat."

Curious.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Helmut Kotsch" <hkotsch at arcor.de>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 8, 2015 4:49:50 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] The price of free Windows 10

How about this nifty tool?

?Stop Windows 10 spying dead in its tracks with one free app?

http://pxc-coding.com/portfolio/donotspy10/

Helmut

-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Im Auftrag von
Martin Reid
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 6. August 2015 23:15
An: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Betreff: Re: [dba-Tech] The price of free Windows 10

John

That the post I used to turn it all of on my tablet. I also don't use ms
account for sign in I use a local account. I will be turning off as much as
possible re personal info.

Martin
________________________________
From: John W. Colby<mailto:jwcolby at gmail.com>
Sent: ?06/?08/?2015 18:22
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software
issues<mailto:dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] The price of free Windows 10

from this:

http://www.zdnet.com/article/how-to-secure-windows-10-the-paranoids-guide/

For example, whileWindows 10 doesn't have a keylogger
<http://www.zdnet.com/article/does-windows-10-really-include-a-keylogger-spo
iler-no/>it/does/collect
your keystrokes and voice to improve spell-checking and voice recognition.
Before having a fit about this, keep in mind that/every/cloud-based
software-as-a-service (SaaS) program does this to one degree or another.
Google Docs, Apple's Siri, Office 365, whatever
-- they all collect not just your final words but every keystroke and spoken
syllable that went into making those words.

So this is supposed to make me feel better about the OS doing it? I can
choose not to use Siri etc.  I can't choose not to use the OS itself.

John W. Colby

On 8/6/2015 12:46 PM, Martin Reid wrote:
> Unless you go to privacy settings and turn it of. What's it really matter
when various security services grab it all anyway.
>
> Martin
> ________________________________
> From: Jim Lawrence<mailto:accessd at shaw.ca>
> Sent: ?06/?08/?2015 17:02
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software 
> issues<mailto:dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Subject: [dba-Tech] The price of free Windows 10
>
> There is a price for a free Windows 10 and whether you feel it is a price
you are willing to pay is up to you.
>
> As noted Windows 10 is less a desktop and more a Cloud based application,
that is very connected via the internet and to the Mothership. For those
with ample bandwidth its main design is not a problem. This leads to the
other main issue of privacy. The policy is that Microsoft give no promise of
any privacy to personal data, whether usage, where ever you may search, all
applications you use, who you associate with, any interests you may have,
provide no security as they manage your SSH and other encryption keys. Your
information and content is basically theirs to do with as they please; third
party vendors or government agencies. Also extensive validation is enforced
on all data and applications to see whether programs are properly
registered, proper certification on all communication and DRM to prevent
unauthorized redistribution of digital media and restrict the ways consumers
can copy content. So when it is said that Windows 10 is free, the answer is
yes and no.
>
> http://www.rt.com/usa/311304-new-windows-privacy-issues
>
> There are many articles on the subject. The above is just one of hundreds
of links. I do not say that you should not use Windows 10 but I would
suggest you use it on a computer separate the rest of the network and/or
deploy it via a virtual machine. So as long as you use Windows10, everywhere
you go, everything you do, all transactions you make, every one you
associate with, every program up run, any data you have is being monitored
and no tin-hat is going to help you. (It is hardly the OS you would launch
within a secure business environment.) The one good thing is that Microsoft
made no pretence of your personal privacy so you know where you stand.
>
> Jim
>
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
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From jwcolby at gmail.com  Sat Aug  8 23:43:25 2015
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2015 00:43:25 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] The price of free Windows 10
In-Reply-To: <1799890988.21211678.1439050401772.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
References: <1799890988.21211678.1439050401772.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <55C6DA6D.9030308@gmail.com>

/HAL <http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0706937/>/: I'm sorry, Dave. I'm afraid 
I can't do that.
/Dave Bowman <http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001158/>/: What's the problem?
/HAL <http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0706937/>/: I think you know what the 
problem is just as well as I do.
/Dave Bowman <http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001158/>/: What are you 
talking about, HAL?
/HAL <http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0706937/>/: This mission is too 
important for me to allow you to jeopardize it.
/Dave Bowman <http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001158/>/: I don't know what 
you're talking about, HAL.
/HAL <http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0706937/>/: I know that you and Frank 
were planning to disconnect me, and I'm afraid that's something I cannot 
allow to happen.

John W. Colby

On 8/8/2015 12:13 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote:
> I receive this message when accessing the site: "This domain is blocked due to a phishing threat."
>
> Curious.
>
> Jim
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Helmut Kotsch" <hkotsch at arcor.de>
> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Saturday, August 8, 2015 4:49:50 AM
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] The price of free Windows 10
>
> How about this nifty tool?
>
> ?Stop Windows 10 spying dead in its tracks with one free app?
>
> http://pxc-coding.com/portfolio/donotspy10/
>
> Helmut
>


From gustav at cactus.dk  Sun Aug  9 12:29:19 2015
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2015 17:29:19 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] The price of free Windows 10
In-Reply-To: <55C6DA6D.9030308@gmail.com>
References: <1799890988.21211678.1439050401772.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>,
	<55C6DA6D.9030308@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AM2PR06MB593DACA2EA16201963DDF3ECA710@AM2PR06MB593.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Hi all

I receive a similar message:

     "The website pxc-coding.com was blocked by CSIS Secure DNS."

This usually is for a reason.

It is interesting that so many of you seem to gladly be willing to install some totally unknown tool which will manipulate deep in your OS and (so it claims) effectively crippling many of the really useful features. 

Holiday fever?

/gustav


On 8/8/2015 12:13 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote:
> I receive this message when accessing the site: "This domain is blocked due to a phishing threat."
>
> Curious.
>
> Jim
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Helmut Kotsch" <hkotsch at arcor.de>
> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Saturday, August 8, 2015 4:49:50 AM
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] The price of free Windows 10
>
> How about this nifty tool?
>
> ?Stop Windows 10 spying dead in its tracks with one free app?
>
> http://pxc-coding.com/portfolio/donotspy10/
>
> Helmut

From gustav at cactus.dk  Sun Aug  9 12:47:06 2015
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2015 17:47:06 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] The price of free Windows 10
In-Reply-To: <976E500DD0AF35409874A413967BFAEC390ED98C@EX2K10-MBX6.ads.qub.ac.uk>
References: <55BC27DA.20206@gmail.com>
	<955540268.19737490.1438876903346.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
	<976E500DD0AF35409874A413967BFAEC390ED866@EX2K10-MBX6.ads.qub.ac.uk>,
	<55C3979E.7070405@gmail.com>,
	<976E500DD0AF35409874A413967BFAEC390ED98C@EX2K10-MBX6.ads.qub.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <AM2PR06MB59354723ABBEBD17E32F5F7CA710@AM2PR06MB593.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Martin

Exactly. I and my colleagues login with (of course) our AD account. 

My account is associated with my Microsoft account which lets all my desktop settings, favourites, and OneDrive sync between all the machines I log in to. It is really clever.

Further, I prefer Bing to Google. It doesn't push useless adds to the same degree. Also, as I mostly search for coding stuff, it seems to provide more clean search results. Google tries to be clever or whatever resulting in many "nearby" results effectively cluttering the real info. I've seen some claiming Bing to be "useless"; that is far out.

/gustav

________________________________________
Fra: dba-Tech <dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> p? vegne af Martin Reid <mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk>
Sendt: 6. august 2015 23:15
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] The price of free Windows 10

John

That the post I used to turn it all of on my tablet. I also don't use ms account for sign in I use a local account. I will be turning off as much as possible re personal info.

Martin

From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Mon Aug 10 09:41:35 2015
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2015 10:41:35 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Telling the time
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1jA5OtiqyNV403oSyxNK8-=s-r_Xg5ZV8uTP8Ct0S-hyg@mail.gmail.com>

I know this is a little OT, but given the international nature of this
group, I thought I'd pose my question here. Recently I spent a week with my
three siblings at a cottage in North Ontario. My sister Susan has lived in
Birmingham, OK, for the past 30 years. I noticed that she has retained the
habit of referring to times "the old way", as in "a quarter of seven."
Virtually everyone I know here in Canada, when asked what time it is,
replies in the digital way, as in "6:44". So I got to wondering whether my
sister is an anomaly, or maybe it's a British thing, or a European thing.

-- 
Arthur

From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Mon Aug 10 09:46:05 2015
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2015 14:46:05 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Telling the time
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1jA5OtiqyNV403oSyxNK8-=s-r_Xg5ZV8uTP8Ct0S-hyg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1jA5OtiqyNV403oSyxNK8-=s-r_Xg5ZV8uTP8Ct0S-hyg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <976E500DD0AF35409874A413967BFAEC390EF796@EX2K10-MBX6.ads.qub.ac.uk>

Arthur

Quarter to 7, half six, quarter past 5.

That's the right way to refer to time. 

Then you have amounts, as in two thousand two hundred as opposed to 22 hundred


Martin






-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: 10 August 2015 15:42
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] Telling the time

I know this is a little OT, but given the international nature of this group, I thought I'd pose my question here. Recently I spent a week with my three siblings at a cottage in North Ontario. My sister Susan has lived in Birmingham, OK, for the past 30 years. I noticed that she has retained the habit of referring to times "the old way", as in "a quarter of seven."
Virtually everyone I know here in Canada, when asked what time it is, replies in the digital way, as in "6:44". So I got to wondering whether my sister is an anomaly, or maybe it's a British thing, or a European thing.

--
Arthur
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Aug 10 09:47:53 2015
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2015 14:47:53 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Telling the time
Message-ID: <AM2PR06MB5935B40715CF6BEBA4AD2A7CA700@AM2PR06MB593.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Arthur

That is very common here, indeed for inaccurate timing, say +/- five minutes.
However, for a train departure on the minute, we would use 6:44 or 18:44.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Arthur Fuller
Sendt: 10. august 2015 16:42
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Emne: [dba-Tech] Telling the time

I know this is a little OT, but given the international nature of this group, I thought I'd pose my question here. Recently I spent a week with my three siblings at a cottage in North Ontario. My sister Susan has lived in Birmingham, OK, for the past 30 years. I noticed that she has retained the habit of referring to times "the old way", as in "a quarter of seven."
Virtually everyone I know here in Canada, when asked what time it is, replies in the digital way, as in "6:44". So I got to wondering whether my sister is an anomaly, or maybe it's a British thing, or a European thing.

--
Arthur 


From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon Aug 10 10:17:14 2015
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2015 08:17:14 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Telling the time
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We've always said 'quarter past...' and 'quarter to...'

R
 

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From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Arthur Fuller
Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 7:42 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] Telling the time

I know this is a little OT, but given the international nature of this
group, I thought I'd pose my question here. Recently I spent a week with my
three siblings at a cottage in North Ontario. My sister Susan has lived in
Birmingham, OK, for the past 30 years. I noticed that she has retained the
habit of referring to times "the old way", as in "a quarter of seven."
Virtually everyone I know here in Canada, when asked what time it is,
replies in the digital way, as in "6:44". So I got to wondering whether my
sister is an anomaly, or maybe it's a British thing, or a European thing.

--
Arthur
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From kathryn at bassett.net  Mon Aug 10 11:08:28 2015
From: kathryn at bassett.net (Kathryn Bassett)
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2015 09:08:28 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Telling the time
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I do both, depending on the context. If I'm using my watch, then the
"quarter" answer. If computer, then exact. Also, if the question is because
of something specific (tv show, flight info etc), then I try to be exact.
Besides, it depends on the accuracy of the clock, watch, computer etc.
Kathryn

> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On
> Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
> Sent: 10 Aug 2015 8:17 AM
> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Telling the time
> 
> We've always said 'quarter past...' and 'quarter to...'
> 
> R
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On
> Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
> Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 7:42 AM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: [dba-Tech] Telling the time
> 
> I know this is a little OT, but given the international nature of this
group, I
> thought I'd pose my question here. Recently I spent a week with my three
> siblings at a cottage in North Ontario. My sister Susan has lived in
> Birmingham, OK, for the past 30 years. I noticed that she has retained the
> habit of referring to times "the old way", as in "a quarter of seven."
> Virtually everyone I know here in Canada, when asked what time it is,
replies
> in the digital way, as in "6:44". So I got to wondering whether my sister
is an
> anomaly, or maybe it's a British thing, or a European thing.
> 
> --
> Arthur



From Michael.Zimmer at federalmogul.com  Mon Aug 10 11:56:41 2015
From: Michael.Zimmer at federalmogul.com (Zimmer, Michael)
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2015 16:56:41 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Telling the time
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Hah!  I love this topic.  I always have used, and continue to use "half past.....quarter to....." but then again, I'm and old curmudgeon.  When I introduced my sons to telling time this way it was a struggle.  They apparently don't even try to do that in their school -- digital only.  Now, however, they are fully conversant in the arcane language of the analog dial.

Mike

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kathryn Bassett
Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 11:08 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Telling the time

I do both, depending on the context. If I'm using my watch, then the "quarter" answer. If computer, then exact. Also, if the question is because of something specific (tv show, flight info etc), then I try to be exact.
Besides, it depends on the accuracy of the clock, watch, computer etc.
Kathryn

> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On 
> Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
> Sent: 10 Aug 2015 8:17 AM
> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Telling the time
> 
> We've always said 'quarter past...' and 'quarter to...'
> 
> R
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On 
> Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
> Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 7:42 AM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: [dba-Tech] Telling the time
> 
> I know this is a little OT, but given the international nature of this
group, I
> thought I'd pose my question here. Recently I spent a week with my 
> three siblings at a cottage in North Ontario. My sister Susan has 
> lived in Birmingham, OK, for the past 30 years. I noticed that she has 
> retained the habit of referring to times "the old way", as in "a quarter of seven."
> Virtually everyone I know here in Canada, when asked what time it is,
replies
> in the digital way, as in "6:44". So I got to wondering whether my 
> sister
is an
> anomaly, or maybe it's a British thing, or a European thing.
> 
> --
> Arthur


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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Mon Aug 10 16:59:32 2015
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2015 07:59:32 +1000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Telling the time
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Yep, me too:

"ten to five" in general but  4:49 or 4:51 if needed.

Unless I'm the marine radio.  Then it's  "ETA seventeen hundred", or "The first race signal will 
be at oh nine twenty five" 

On 10 Aug 2015 at 14:47, Gustav Brock wrote:

> Hi Arthur
> 
> That is very common here, indeed for inaccurate timing, say +/- five
> minutes. However, for a train departure on the minute, we would use
> 6:44 or 18:44.
> 
> /gustav
> 
> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> Fra: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne
> af Arthur Fuller Sendt: 10. august 2015 16:42 Til: Discussion of
> Hardware and Software issues <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com> Emne:
> [dba-Tech] Telling the time
> 
> I know this is a little OT, but given the international nature of this
> group, I thought I'd pose my question here. Recently I spent a week
> with my three siblings at a cottage in North Ontario. My sister Susan
> has lived in Birmingham, OK, for the past 30 years. I noticed that she
> has retained the habit of referring to times "the old way", as in "a
> quarter of seven." Virtually everyone I know here in Canada, when
> asked what time it is, replies in the digital way, as in "6:44". So I
> got to wondering whether my sister is an anomaly, or maybe it's a
> British thing, or a European thing.
> 
> --
> Arthur 
> 
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From joeo at appoli.com  Mon Aug 10 19:39:11 2015
From: joeo at appoli.com (Joe O'Connell)
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2015 20:39:11 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Telling the time
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Ah, the Irish.  I have never been able to figure out if half six is 30
minutes before six or 30 minutes after six!

Joe O'Connell

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Arthur

Quarter to 7, half six, quarter past 5.

That's the right way to refer to time. 

Then you have amounts, as in two thousand two hundred as opposed to 22
hundred


Martin






-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf
Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: 10 August 2015 15:42
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] Telling the time

I know this is a little OT, but given the international nature of this
group, I thought I'd pose my question here. Recently I spent a week with
my three siblings at a cottage in North Ontario. My sister Susan has
lived in Birmingham, OK, for the past 30 years. I noticed that she has
retained the habit of referring to times "the old way", as in "a quarter
of seven."
Virtually everyone I know here in Canada, when asked what time it is,
replies in the digital way, as in "6:44". So I got to wondering whether
my sister is an anomaly, or maybe it's a British thing, or a European
thing.

--
Arthur
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From jwcolby at gmail.com  Mon Aug 10 20:38:02 2015
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W. Colby)
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2015 21:38:02 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Telling the time
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	<976E500DD0AF35409874A413967BFAEC390EF796@EX2K10-MBX6.ads.qub.ac.uk>
	<1CF20DB644BE124083B31638E5D5C0230144383C@exch2.Onappsad.net>
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Everyone knows half six is 3.

;)

John W. Colby

On 8/10/2015 8:39 PM, Joe O'Connell wrote:
> Ah, the Irish.  I have never been able to figure out if half six is 30
> minutes before six or 30 minutes after six!
>
> Joe O'Connell
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf
> Of Martin Reid
> Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 10:46 AM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Telling the time
>
> Arthur
>
> Quarter to 7, half six, quarter past 5.
>
> That's the right way to refer to time.
>
> Then you have amounts, as in two thousand two hundred as opposed to 22
> hundred
>
>
> Martin
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf
> Of Arthur Fuller
> Sent: 10 August 2015 15:42
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: [dba-Tech] Telling the time
>
> I know this is a little OT, but given the international nature of this
> group, I thought I'd pose my question here. Recently I spent a week with
> my three siblings at a cottage in North Ontario. My sister Susan has
> lived in Birmingham, OK, for the past 30 years. I noticed that she has
> retained the habit of referring to times "the old way", as in "a quarter
> of seven."
> Virtually everyone I know here in Canada, when asked what time it is,
> replies in the digital way, as in "6:44". So I got to wondering whether
> my sister is an anomaly, or maybe it's a British thing, or a European
> thing.
>
> --
> Arthur
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From jon.tydda at lonza.com  Tue Aug 11 04:32:13 2015
From: jon.tydda at lonza.com (Jon Tydda)
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2015 09:32:13 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Telling the time
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In the UK (and I guess Ireland), half six is 6:30 (half PAST six), but in some places in Europe (can't remember exactly, but I think Germany and maybe France), it's 5:30 (half TO six).


Jon

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Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2015 1:39 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Telling the time

Ah, the Irish.  I have never been able to figure out if half six is 30 minutes before six or 30 minutes after six!

Joe O'Connell

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Martin Reid
Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 10:46 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Telling the time

Arthur

Quarter to 7, half six, quarter past 5.

That's the right way to refer to time.

Then you have amounts, as in two thousand two hundred as opposed to 22 hundred


Martin






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From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: 10 August 2015 15:42
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] Telling the time

I know this is a little OT, but given the international nature of this group, I thought I'd pose my question here. Recently I spent a week with my three siblings at a cottage in North Ontario. My sister Susan has lived in Birmingham, OK, for the past 30 years. I noticed that she has retained the habit of referring to times "the old way", as in "a quarter of seven."
Virtually everyone I know here in Canada, when asked what time it is, replies in the digital way, as in "6:44". So I got to wondering whether my sister is an anomaly, or maybe it's a British thing, or a European thing.

--
Arthur
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Aug 11 04:48:00 2015
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2015 09:48:00 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Telling the time
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Hi Jon

In the Nordic countries it is 5.30 as well.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
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Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Telling the time

In the UK (and I guess Ireland), half six is 6:30 (half PAST six), but in some places in Europe (can't remember exactly, but I think Germany and maybe France), it's 5:30 (half TO six).


Jon 


From jon.tydda at lonza.com  Tue Aug 11 10:53:09 2015
From: jon.tydda at lonza.com (Jon Tydda)
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2015 15:53:09 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] SpinRite or?
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Hi Gustav

Did this ever finish, or is it still going? :-)


Jon

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From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2015 2:17 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] SpinRite or?

Hi Jim

Now passed 10% at 117 GB ...

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Gustav Brock
Sendt: 13. maj 2015 20:35
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] SpinRite or?

Hi Jim

No I haven't - and at this time a can't plug it in. So I cross fingers, but power here is very stable.

However, the copy process of Yodot has an option for not trying to replace existing files, so worst case after a relaunch would be the extra time to read the directory structure and move through the existing file list. It couldn't take that long.

In the meantime: Passed 6% at 72 GB ...

/gustav

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Sendt: 13. maj 2015 20:22
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] SpinRite or?

Hi Gustav:

Do you have a UPS attached to the computer? It might be frustrating if the power went out sometime in September just before the program wrote the boot track.

If this works as planned Yodot will definitely be the go to application for drive recovery.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 12:20:23 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] SpinRite or?

Hi Jim

Yes:

<quote>
So I turned to Yodot (the drive repair version at USD 80) which, as the first, tries to pull the data off the drive before attempting a repair. This seems to run - at about 330 MB per hour.

Speak about patience: my little calculator tells me that the job will go on for 140 days ...
</quote>

It seems to run steady.

/gustav

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From gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Aug 11 11:25:26 2015
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2015 16:25:26 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] SpinRite or?
Message-ID: <AM2PR06MB5935B61D078AFF297EB1C6CCA7F0@AM2PR06MB593.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Jon

It is still running. I had to make a break and move it to another machine, but it also sometimes crashes the Yodot program and I have to restart a session, so it is not running steady. Further, some weeks have been assigned for holidays.

I guess more than a month will pass ...

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
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Sendt: 11. august 2015 17:53
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Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] SpinRite or?

Hi Gustav

Did this ever finish, or is it still going? :-)


Jon

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Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2015 2:17 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] SpinRite or?

Hi Jim

Now passed 10% at 117 GB ...

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Gustav Brock
Sendt: 13. maj 2015 20:35
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] SpinRite or?

Hi Jim

No I haven't - and at this time a can't plug it in. So I cross fingers, but power here is very stable.

However, the copy process of Yodot has an option for not trying to replace existing files, so worst case after a relaunch would be the extra time to read the directory structure and move through the existing file list. It couldn't take that long.

In the meantime: Passed 6% at 72 GB ...

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Jim Lawrence
Sendt: 13. maj 2015 20:22
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] SpinRite or?

Hi Gustav:

Do you have a UPS attached to the computer? It might be frustrating if the power went out sometime in September just before the program wrote the boot track.

If this works as planned Yodot will definitely be the go to application for drive recovery.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 12:20:23 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] SpinRite or?

Hi Jim

Yes:

<quote>
So I turned to Yodot (the drive repair version at USD 80) which, as the first, tries to pull the data off the drive before attempting a repair. This seems to run - at about 330 MB per hour.

Speak about patience: my little calculator tells me that the job will go on for 140 days ...
</quote>

It seems to run steady.

/gustav 


From jon at tydda.plus.com  Wed Aug 12 14:44:10 2015
From: jon at tydda.plus.com (Jon Tydda)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2015 20:44:10 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 10 installation problem
In-Reply-To: <AM2PR06MB5935B61D078AFF297EB1C6CCA7F0@AM2PR06MB593.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
References: <AM2PR06MB5935B61D078AFF297EB1C6CCA7F0@AM2PR06MB593.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <3a6d3d0754d5c14076efa94147d37219@imap.plus.net>

Hi all

I'm having issues with my laptop when I try to upgrade to Windows 10.

I get the dreaded "We can't update the System Reserved partition" 
message, and no helpful advice...

After much Googling, I've been reduced to posting a question on the 
Microsoft help page (I know, the shame!).

I was just wondering if anyone had any ideas what to do...

There's a picture of my Disk Management details on the question 
(http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_10-windows_install/we-couldnt-update-the-system-reserved-partition/f06c1423-a296-4b85-83f8-8e4281f16c66?tm=1439407158743)

The computer is a HP Pavilion laptop, with a 256gb Corsair M550 SSD in 
it (replaced the 1tb HDD that it came with). Was originally Windows 8, 
but upgraded to 8.1.

If anyone has any useful advice, I'd be more than grateful!

Thanks


Jon

From paul.hartland at googlemail.com  Wed Aug 12 14:55:03 2015
From: paul.hartland at googlemail.com (Paul Hartland)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2015 20:55:03 +0100
Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 10 installation problem
In-Reply-To: <3a6d3d0754d5c14076efa94147d37219@imap.plus.net>
References: <AM2PR06MB5935B61D078AFF297EB1C6CCA7F0@AM2PR06MB593.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
	<3a6d3d0754d5c14076efa94147d37219@imap.plus.net>
Message-ID: <CALGJE94ukqJcqxzMXzt=Opsrvuq4NjES22Dng18xtVh1iSc87w@mail.gmail.com>

Jon,

Just done a bit of googling myself, did you come across this piece ?

https://www.reddit.com/r/Windows10/comments/3a6znd/we_couldnt_update_the_system_reserved_partition/

On 12 August 2015 at 20:44, Jon Tydda <jon at tydda.plus.com> wrote:

> Hi all
>
> I'm having issues with my laptop when I try to upgrade to Windows 10.
>
> I get the dreaded "We can't update the System Reserved partition" message,
> and no helpful advice...
>
> After much Googling, I've been reduced to posting a question on the
> Microsoft help page (I know, the shame!).
>
> I was just wondering if anyone had any ideas what to do...
>
> There's a picture of my Disk Management details on the question (
> http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_10-windows_install/we-couldnt-update-the-system-reserved-partition/f06c1423-a296-4b85-83f8-8e4281f16c66?tm=1439407158743
> )
>
> The computer is a HP Pavilion laptop, with a 256gb Corsair M550 SSD in it
> (replaced the 1tb HDD that it came with). Was originally Windows 8, but
> upgraded to 8.1.
>
> If anyone has any useful advice, I'd be more than grateful!
>
> Thanks
>
>
> Jon
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
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>



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From bill_patten at embarqmail.com  Wed Aug 12 16:46:47 2015
From: bill_patten at embarqmail.com (Bill Patten)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2015 14:46:47 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 10 installation problem
In-Reply-To: <3a6d3d0754d5c14076efa94147d37219@imap.plus.net>
References: <AM2PR06MB5935B61D078AFF297EB1C6CCA7F0@AM2PR06MB593.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
	<3a6d3d0754d5c14076efa94147d37219@imap.plus.net>
Message-ID: <C41A0D9EAF4E4D66B5B03632946AE760@BPCS>

Jon,

I ran into this problem on my wife's computer. A suggestion on the web was 
to download MiniTool Partition manager (the free version ) and I removed 
300M from the main partition then increased the 50M existing to 350 or so. 
Then the update went just fine.

http://www.partitionwizard.com/free-partition-manager.html

I might not have the sizes exactly right but I think I started with 50 and 
ended with 300+.
Bill

-----Original Message----- 
From: Jon Tydda
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2015 12:44 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 10 installation problem

Hi all

I'm having issues with my laptop when I try to upgrade to Windows 10.

I get the dreaded "We can't update the System Reserved partition"
message, and no helpful advice...

After much Googling, I've been reduced to posting a question on the
Microsoft help page (I know, the shame!).

I was just wondering if anyone had any ideas what to do...

There's a picture of my Disk Management details on the question
(http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_10-windows_install/we-couldnt-update-the-system-reserved-partition/f06c1423-a296-4b85-83f8-8e4281f16c66?tm=1439407158743)

The computer is a HP Pavilion laptop, with a 256gb Corsair M550 SSD in
it (replaced the 1tb HDD that it came with). Was originally Windows 8,
but upgraded to 8.1.

If anyone has any useful advice, I'd be more than grateful!

Thanks


Jon
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Aug 12 23:49:35 2015
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2015 22:49:35 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] SpinRite or?
In-Reply-To: <AM2PR06MB5935B61D078AFF297EB1C6CCA7F0@AM2PR06MB593.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <36412063.24160134.1439441375102.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

Hi Gustav:

We are all getting anxious for the great day.

Jim 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2015 9:25:26 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] SpinRite or?

Hi Jon

It is still running. I had to make a break and move it to another machine, but it also sometimes crashes the Yodot program and I have to restart a session, so it is not running steady. Further, some weeks have been assigned for holidays.

I guess more than a month will pass ...

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Jon Tydda
Sendt: 11. august 2015 17:53
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] SpinRite or?

Hi Gustav

Did this ever finish, or is it still going? :-)


Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2015 2:17 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] SpinRite or?

Hi Jim

Now passed 10% at 117 GB ...

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Gustav Brock
Sendt: 13. maj 2015 20:35
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] SpinRite or?

Hi Jim

No I haven't - and at this time a can't plug it in. So I cross fingers, but power here is very stable.

However, the copy process of Yodot has an option for not trying to replace existing files, so worst case after a relaunch would be the extra time to read the directory structure and move through the existing file list. It couldn't take that long.

In the meantime: Passed 6% at 72 GB ...

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Jim Lawrence
Sendt: 13. maj 2015 20:22
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] SpinRite or?

Hi Gustav:

Do you have a UPS attached to the computer? It might be frustrating if the power went out sometime in September just before the program wrote the boot track.

If this works as planned Yodot will definitely be the go to application for drive recovery.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 12:20:23 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] SpinRite or?

Hi Jim

Yes:

<quote>
So I turned to Yodot (the drive repair version at USD 80) which, as the first, tries to pull the data off the drive before attempting a repair. This seems to run - at about 330 MB per hour.

Speak about patience: my little calculator tells me that the job will go on for 140 days ...
</quote>

It seems to run steady.

/gustav 

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From jon.tydda at lonza.com  Thu Aug 13 02:44:01 2015
From: jon.tydda at lonza.com (Jon Tydda)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2015 07:44:01 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 10 installation problem
In-Reply-To: <CALGJE94ukqJcqxzMXzt=Opsrvuq4NjES22Dng18xtVh1iSc87w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AM2PR06MB5935B61D078AFF297EB1C6CCA7F0@AM2PR06MB593.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
	<3a6d3d0754d5c14076efa94147d37219@imap.plus.net>
	<CALGJE94ukqJcqxzMXzt=Opsrvuq4NjES22Dng18xtVh1iSc87w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <01c1a42e458c4f31856bc720d043c841@CHVEX12.lonzagroup.net>

Thanks Paul,

I hadn't seen that one. I'll give that a go when I get a spare half hour.


Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Paul Hartland
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2015 8:55 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows 10 installation problem

Jon,

Just done a bit of googling myself, did you come across this piece ?

https://www.reddit.com/r/Windows10/comments/3a6znd/we_couldnt_update_the_system_reserved_partition/

On 12 August 2015 at 20:44, Jon Tydda <jon at tydda.plus.com> wrote:

> Hi all
>
> I'm having issues with my laptop when I try to upgrade to Windows 10.
>
> I get the dreaded "We can't update the System Reserved partition"
> message, and no helpful advice...
>
> After much Googling, I've been reduced to posting a question on the
> Microsoft help page (I know, the shame!).
>
> I was just wondering if anyone had any ideas what to do...
>
> There's a picture of my Disk Management details on the question (
> http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_10-windows_in
> stall/we-couldnt-update-the-system-reserved-partition/f06c1423-a296-4b
> 85-83f8-8e4281f16c66?tm=1439407158743
> )
>
> The computer is a HP Pavilion laptop, with a 256gb Corsair M550 SSD in
> it (replaced the 1tb HDD that it came with). Was originally Windows 8,
> but upgraded to 8.1.
>
> If anyone has any useful advice, I'd be more than grateful!
>
> Thanks
>
>
> Jon
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>



--
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From jon.tydda at lonza.com  Thu Aug 13 02:46:33 2015
From: jon.tydda at lonza.com (Jon Tydda)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2015 07:46:33 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 10 installation problem
In-Reply-To: <C41A0D9EAF4E4D66B5B03632946AE760@BPCS>
References: <AM2PR06MB5935B61D078AFF297EB1C6CCA7F0@AM2PR06MB593.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
	<3a6d3d0754d5c14076efa94147d37219@imap.plus.net>
	<C41A0D9EAF4E4D66B5B03632946AE760@BPCS>
Message-ID: <8db4ba089bc64c67a2d679fad1df0167@CHVEX12.lonzagroup.net>

Hi Bill

Yeah, I downloaded a free partition manager too, but I can't work out which partition I need to increase. If you look at the question I posted on the Microsoft site, there's a picture of my Disk Partitions...

http://url.ie/z3b1


Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bill Patten
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2015 10:47 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows 10 installation problem

Jon,

I ran into this problem on my wife's computer. A suggestion on the web was to download MiniTool Partition manager (the free version ) and I removed 300M from the main partition then increased the 50M existing to 350 or so.
Then the update went just fine.

http://www.partitionwizard.com/free-partition-manager.html

I might not have the sizes exactly right but I think I started with 50 and ended with 300+.
Bill

-----Original Message-----
From: Jon Tydda
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2015 12:44 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 10 installation problem

Hi all

I'm having issues with my laptop when I try to upgrade to Windows 10.

I get the dreaded "We can't update the System Reserved partition"
message, and no helpful advice...

After much Googling, I've been reduced to posting a question on the Microsoft help page (I know, the shame!).

I was just wondering if anyone had any ideas what to do...

There's a picture of my Disk Management details on the question
(http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_10-windows_install/we-couldnt-update-the-system-reserved-partition/f06c1423-a296-4b85-83f8-8e4281f16c66?tm=1439407158743)

The computer is a HP Pavilion laptop, with a 256gb Corsair M550 SSD in it (replaced the 1tb HDD that it came with). Was originally Windows 8, but upgraded to 8.1.

If anyone has any useful advice, I'd be more than grateful!

Thanks


Jon
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Aug 13 03:03:57 2015
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2015 08:03:57 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 10 installation problem
Message-ID: <AM2PR06MB5932DF6321B7A1A73D08038CA7D0@AM2PR06MB593.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Jon

Isn't the simple solution to do a clean install of Windows 10 from the ISO? It will, as you probably know from Windows 8, initially let you remove any and all partitions, and then automatically create the needed system partitions of a few hundred MB.

The challenge for laptops are the drivers for the peculiar and proprietary devices these are equipped with.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Jon Tydda
Sendt: 13. august 2015 09:47
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows 10 installation problem

Hi Bill

Yeah, I downloaded a free partition manager too, but I can't work out which partition I need to increase. If you look at the question I posted on the Microsoft site, there's a picture of my Disk Partitions...

http://url.ie/z3b1


Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bill Patten
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2015 10:47 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows 10 installation problem

Jon,

I ran into this problem on my wife's computer. A suggestion on the web was to download MiniTool Partition manager (the free version ) and I removed 300M from the main partition then increased the 50M existing to 350 or so.
Then the update went just fine.

http://www.partitionwizard.com/free-partition-manager.html

I might not have the sizes exactly right but I think I started with 50 and ended with 300+.
Bill

-----Original Message-----
From: Jon Tydda
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2015 12:44 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 10 installation problem

Hi all

I'm having issues with my laptop when I try to upgrade to Windows 10.

I get the dreaded "We can't update the System Reserved partition"
message, and no helpful advice...

After much Googling, I've been reduced to posting a question on the Microsoft help page (I know, the shame!).

I was just wondering if anyone had any ideas what to do...

There's a picture of my Disk Management details on the question
(http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_10-windows_install/we-couldnt-update-the-system-reserved-partition/f06c1423-a296-4b85-83f8-8e4281f16c66?tm=1439407158743)

The computer is a HP Pavilion laptop, with a 256gb Corsair M550 SSD in it (replaced the 1tb HDD that it came with). Was originally Windows 8, but upgraded to 8.1.

If anyone has any useful advice, I'd be more than grateful!

Thanks


Jon 


From jon.tydda at lonza.com  Thu Aug 13 03:19:03 2015
From: jon.tydda at lonza.com (Jon Tydda)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2015 08:19:03 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 10 installation problem
In-Reply-To: <AM2PR06MB5932DF6321B7A1A73D08038CA7D0@AM2PR06MB593.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
References: <AM2PR06MB5932DF6321B7A1A73D08038CA7D0@AM2PR06MB593.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <f4e04a6f8385448babcfec8039a2258d@CHVEX12.lonzagroup.net>

Hi Gustav

Yes, that would be best, but I read somewhere that you need to upgrade your 8.1 key before you can do a clean install... Is that wrong?


Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2015 9:04 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows 10 installation problem

Hi Jon

Isn't the simple solution to do a clean install of Windows 10 from the ISO? It will, as you probably know from Windows 8, initially let you remove any and all partitions, and then automatically create the needed system partitions of a few hundred MB.

The challenge for laptops are the drivers for the peculiar and proprietary devices these are equipped with.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Jon Tydda
Sendt: 13. august 2015 09:47
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows 10 installation problem

Hi Bill

Yeah, I downloaded a free partition manager too, but I can't work out which partition I need to increase. If you look at the question I posted on the Microsoft site, there's a picture of my Disk Partitions...

http://url.ie/z3b1


Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bill Patten
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2015 10:47 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows 10 installation problem

Jon,

I ran into this problem on my wife's computer. A suggestion on the web was to download MiniTool Partition manager (the free version ) and I removed 300M from the main partition then increased the 50M existing to 350 or so.
Then the update went just fine.

http://www.partitionwizard.com/free-partition-manager.html

I might not have the sizes exactly right but I think I started with 50 and ended with 300+.
Bill

-----Original Message-----
From: Jon Tydda
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2015 12:44 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 10 installation problem

Hi all

I'm having issues with my laptop when I try to upgrade to Windows 10.

I get the dreaded "We can't update the System Reserved partition"
message, and no helpful advice...

After much Googling, I've been reduced to posting a question on the Microsoft help page (I know, the shame!).

I was just wondering if anyone had any ideas what to do...

There's a picture of my Disk Management details on the question
(http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_10-windows_install/we-couldnt-update-the-system-reserved-partition/f06c1423-a296-4b85-83f8-8e4281f16c66?tm=1439407158743)

The computer is a HP Pavilion laptop, with a 256gb Corsair M550 SSD in it (replaced the 1tb HDD that it came with). Was originally Windows 8, but upgraded to 8.1.

If anyone has any useful advice, I'd be more than grateful!

Thanks


Jon

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From gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Aug 13 03:37:32 2015
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2015 08:37:32 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 10 installation problem
Message-ID: <AM2PR06MB59387028E2D5E910C788C47CA7D0@AM2PR06MB593.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Jon

Oh, forgot that. I've just used the ISO and its key from our MAPS subscription.

Perhaps you should extract the key from the current Windows and use that. To be safe, keep the current drive as is and replace it with a new SSD - it will do magic. A 120 GB should do, and these are not so expensive.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Jon Tydda
Sendt: 13. august 2015 10:19
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows 10 installation problem

Hi Gustav

Yes, that would be best, but I read somewhere that you need to upgrade your 8.1 key before you can do a clean install... Is that wrong?


Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2015 9:04 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows 10 installation problem

Hi Jon

Isn't the simple solution to do a clean install of Windows 10 from the ISO? It will, as you probably know from Windows 8, initially let you remove any and all partitions, and then automatically create the needed system partitions of a few hundred MB.

The challenge for laptops are the drivers for the peculiar and proprietary devices these are equipped with.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Jon Tydda
Sendt: 13. august 2015 09:47
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows 10 installation problem

Hi Bill

Yeah, I downloaded a free partition manager too, but I can't work out which partition I need to increase. If you look at the question I posted on the Microsoft site, there's a picture of my Disk Partitions...

http://url.ie/z3b1


Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bill Patten
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2015 10:47 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows 10 installation problem

Jon,

I ran into this problem on my wife's computer. A suggestion on the web was to download MiniTool Partition manager (the free version ) and I removed 300M from the main partition then increased the 50M existing to 350 or so.
Then the update went just fine.

http://www.partitionwizard.com/free-partition-manager.html

I might not have the sizes exactly right but I think I started with 50 and ended with 300+.
Bill

-----Original Message-----
From: Jon Tydda
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2015 12:44 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 10 installation problem

Hi all

I'm having issues with my laptop when I try to upgrade to Windows 10.

I get the dreaded "We can't update the System Reserved partition"
message, and no helpful advice...

After much Googling, I've been reduced to posting a question on the Microsoft help page (I know, the shame!).

I was just wondering if anyone had any ideas what to do...

There's a picture of my Disk Management details on the question
(http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_10-windows_install/we-couldnt-update-the-system-reserved-partition/f06c1423-a296-4b85-83f8-8e4281f16c66?tm=1439407158743)

The computer is a HP Pavilion laptop, with a 256gb Corsair M550 SSD in it (replaced the 1tb HDD that it came with). Was originally Windows 8, but upgraded to 8.1.

If anyone has any useful advice, I'd be more than grateful!

Thanks


Jon 


From Lambert.Heenan at aig.com  Thu Aug 13 09:26:11 2015
From: Lambert.Heenan at aig.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2015 14:26:11 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 10 installation problem
In-Reply-To: <AM2PR06MB59387028E2D5E910C788C47CA7D0@AM2PR06MB593.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
References: <AM2PR06MB59387028E2D5E910C788C47CA7D0@AM2PR06MB593.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <D2D5A45EB26EC34F8199762DC40FFAA82FBBFFD7@PWGSMSLIVMBS09.mail.aig.net>

I hit problem upgrading from Windows 7 to 10 on a netbook. The upgrade (from the ISO) apparently worked, but there was no start menu and task manager did not show much of anything. On closer inspection, hours and hours into the process, the disk access light was still flickering so it seems the install got hung up on something.

I wound up just doing a 'clean install' from the ISO and that got the thing set up fine. Not too big an issue for me as I don't do much with the netbook, so I only needed to reinstall Lightroom and Photoshop and an Open office suite. 

Lambert

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2015 4:38 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows 10 installation problem

Hi Jon

Oh, forgot that. I've just used the ISO and its key from our MAPS subscription.

Perhaps you should extract the key from the current Windows and use that. To be safe, keep the current drive as is and replace it with a new SSD - it will do magic. A 120 GB should do, and these are not so expensive.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Jon Tydda
Sendt: 13. august 2015 10:19
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows 10 installation problem

Hi Gustav

Yes, that would be best, but I read somewhere that you need to upgrade your 8.1 key before you can do a clean install... Is that wrong?


Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2015 9:04 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows 10 installation problem

Hi Jon

Isn't the simple solution to do a clean install of Windows 10 from the ISO? It will, as you probably know from Windows 8, initially let you remove any and all partitions, and then automatically create the needed system partitions of a few hundred MB.

The challenge for laptops are the drivers for the peculiar and proprietary devices these are equipped with.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Jon Tydda
Sendt: 13. august 2015 09:47
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows 10 installation problem

Hi Bill

Yeah, I downloaded a free partition manager too, but I can't work out which partition I need to increase. If you look at the question I posted on the Microsoft site, there's a picture of my Disk Partitions...

http://url.ie/z3b1


Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bill Patten
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2015 10:47 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows 10 installation problem

Jon,

I ran into this problem on my wife's computer. A suggestion on the web was to download MiniTool Partition manager (the free version ) and I removed 300M from the main partition then increased the 50M existing to 350 or so.
Then the update went just fine.

http://www.partitionwizard.com/free-partition-manager.html

I might not have the sizes exactly right but I think I started with 50 and ended with 300+.
Bill

-----Original Message-----
From: Jon Tydda
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2015 12:44 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 10 installation problem

Hi all

I'm having issues with my laptop when I try to upgrade to Windows 10.

I get the dreaded "We can't update the System Reserved partition"
message, and no helpful advice...

After much Googling, I've been reduced to posting a question on the Microsoft help page (I know, the shame!).

I was just wondering if anyone had any ideas what to do...

There's a picture of my Disk Management details on the question
(http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_10-windows_install/we-couldnt-update-the-system-reserved-partition/f06c1423-a296-4b85-83f8-8e4281f16c66?tm=1439407158743)

The computer is a HP Pavilion laptop, with a 256gb Corsair M550 SSD in it (replaced the 1tb HDD that it came with). Was originally Windows 8, but upgraded to 8.1.

If anyone has any useful advice, I'd be more than grateful!

Thanks


Jon 

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From gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Aug 13 09:34:09 2015
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2015 14:34:09 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 10 installation problem
Message-ID: <AM2PR06MB593B7FA8C03CF0D3EF0DB81CA7D0@AM2PR06MB593.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Lambert

So how did you manage the product key and activation?

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Heenan, Lambert
Sendt: 13. august 2015 16:26
Til: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows 10 installation problem

I hit problem upgrading from Windows 7 to 10 on a netbook. The upgrade (from the ISO) apparently worked, but there was no start menu and task manager did not show much of anything. On closer inspection, hours and hours into the process, the disk access light was still flickering so it seems the install got hung up on something.

I wound up just doing a 'clean install' from the ISO and that got the thing set up fine. Not too big an issue for me as I don't do much with the netbook, so I only needed to reinstall Lightroom and Photoshop and an Open office suite. 

Lambert

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2015 4:38 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows 10 installation problem

Hi Jon

Oh, forgot that. I've just used the ISO and its key from our MAPS subscription.

Perhaps you should extract the key from the current Windows and use that. To be safe, keep the current drive as is and replace it with a new SSD - it will do magic. A 120 GB should do, and these are not so expensive.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Jon Tydda
Sendt: 13. august 2015 10:19
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows 10 installation problem

Hi Gustav

Yes, that would be best, but I read somewhere that you need to upgrade your 8.1 key before you can do a clean install... Is that wrong?


Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2015 9:04 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows 10 installation problem

Hi Jon

Isn't the simple solution to do a clean install of Windows 10 from the ISO? It will, as you probably know from Windows 8, initially let you remove any and all partitions, and then automatically create the needed system partitions of a few hundred MB.

The challenge for laptops are the drivers for the peculiar and proprietary devices these are equipped with.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Jon Tydda
Sendt: 13. august 2015 09:47
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows 10 installation problem

Hi Bill

Yeah, I downloaded a free partition manager too, but I can't work out which partition I need to increase. If you look at the question I posted on the Microsoft site, there's a picture of my Disk Partitions...

http://url.ie/z3b1


Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bill Patten
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2015 10:47 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows 10 installation problem

Jon,

I ran into this problem on my wife's computer. A suggestion on the web was to download MiniTool Partition manager (the free version ) and I removed 300M from the main partition then increased the 50M existing to 350 or so.
Then the update went just fine.

http://www.partitionwizard.com/free-partition-manager.html

I might not have the sizes exactly right but I think I started with 50 and ended with 300+.
Bill

-----Original Message-----
From: Jon Tydda
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2015 12:44 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 10 installation problem

Hi all

I'm having issues with my laptop when I try to upgrade to Windows 10.

I get the dreaded "We can't update the System Reserved partition"
message, and no helpful advice...

After much Googling, I've been reduced to posting a question on the Microsoft help page (I know, the shame!).

I was just wondering if anyone had any ideas what to do...

There's a picture of my Disk Management details on the question
(http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_10-windows_install/we-couldnt-update-the-system-reserved-partition/f06c1423-a296-4b85-83f8-8e4281f16c66?tm=1439407158743)

The computer is a HP Pavilion laptop, with a 256gb Corsair M550 SSD in it (replaced the 1tb HDD that it came with). Was originally Windows 8, but upgraded to 8.1.

If anyone has any useful advice, I'd be more than grateful!

Thanks


Jon 


From Lambert.Heenan at aig.com  Thu Aug 13 09:45:47 2015
From: Lambert.Heenan at aig.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2015 14:45:47 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 10 installation problem
In-Reply-To: <AM2PR06MB593B7FA8C03CF0D3EF0DB81CA7D0@AM2PR06MB593.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
References: <AM2PR06MB593B7FA8C03CF0D3EF0DB81CA7D0@AM2PR06MB593.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <D2D5A45EB26EC34F8199762DC40FFAA82FBC00E5@PWGSMSLIVMBS09.mail.aig.net>

On the first go around, attempting to do the upgrade in place, Windows *silently* recognized my Windows 7 product key and so I was never asked to enter anything. Presumably it then applied the Windows 10 product key. 

On the second attempt, the 'clean install' I was installing from the ISO over the top of the existing (but not fully functional) Windows 10 setup, so again the product key was found automatically.


Lambert


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2015 10:34 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows 10 installation problem

Hi Lambert

So how did you manage the product key and activation?

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Heenan, Lambert
Sendt: 13. august 2015 16:26
Til: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows 10 installation problem

I hit problem upgrading from Windows 7 to 10 on a netbook. The upgrade (from the ISO) apparently worked, but there was no start menu and task manager did not show much of anything. On closer inspection, hours and hours into the process, the disk access light was still flickering so it seems the install got hung up on something.

I wound up just doing a 'clean install' from the ISO and that got the thing set up fine. Not too big an issue for me as I don't do much with the netbook, so I only needed to reinstall Lightroom and Photoshop and an Open office suite. 

Lambert

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2015 4:38 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows 10 installation problem

Hi Jon

Oh, forgot that. I've just used the ISO and its key from our MAPS subscription.

Perhaps you should extract the key from the current Windows and use that. To be safe, keep the current drive as is and replace it with a new SSD - it will do magic. A 120 GB should do, and these are not so expensive.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Jon Tydda
Sendt: 13. august 2015 10:19
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows 10 installation problem

Hi Gustav

Yes, that would be best, but I read somewhere that you need to upgrade your 8.1 key before you can do a clean install... Is that wrong?


Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2015 9:04 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows 10 installation problem

Hi Jon

Isn't the simple solution to do a clean install of Windows 10 from the ISO? It will, as you probably know from Windows 8, initially let you remove any and all partitions, and then automatically create the needed system partitions of a few hundred MB.

The challenge for laptops are the drivers for the peculiar and proprietary devices these are equipped with.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Jon Tydda
Sendt: 13. august 2015 09:47
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows 10 installation problem

Hi Bill

Yeah, I downloaded a free partition manager too, but I can't work out which partition I need to increase. If you look at the question I posted on the Microsoft site, there's a picture of my Disk Partitions...

http://url.ie/z3b1


Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bill Patten
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2015 10:47 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows 10 installation problem

Jon,

I ran into this problem on my wife's computer. A suggestion on the web was to download MiniTool Partition manager (the free version ) and I removed 300M from the main partition then increased the 50M existing to 350 or so.
Then the update went just fine.

http://www.partitionwizard.com/free-partition-manager.html

I might not have the sizes exactly right but I think I started with 50 and ended with 300+.
Bill

-----Original Message-----
From: Jon Tydda
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2015 12:44 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 10 installation problem

Hi all

I'm having issues with my laptop when I try to upgrade to Windows 10.

I get the dreaded "We can't update the System Reserved partition"
message, and no helpful advice...

After much Googling, I've been reduced to posting a question on the Microsoft help page (I know, the shame!).

I was just wondering if anyone had any ideas what to do...

There's a picture of my Disk Management details on the question
(http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_10-windows_install/we-couldnt-update-the-system-reserved-partition/f06c1423-a296-4b85-83f8-8e4281f16c66?tm=1439407158743)

The computer is a HP Pavilion laptop, with a 256gb Corsair M550 SSD in it (replaced the 1tb HDD that it came with). Was originally Windows 8, but upgraded to 8.1.

If anyone has any useful advice, I'd be more than grateful!

Thanks


Jon 

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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Thu Aug 13 09:48:21 2015
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2015 10:48:21 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Udacity's Top 10 Programming Languages
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1hOQqX56sMtt5dRf5fShc7XZz2uqWFZV0oCRPrbHvWe3A@mail.gmail.com>

The take-away is that (unfathomably, IMO) Java remains in the top spot,
while JavaScript has sunk a tad. Ruby gigs seem to pay the highest, but
that's at least in part due to the dearth of experts. Here
<http://www.i-programmer.info/news/99/8863.html> is the whole article.

-- 
Arthur

From bill_patten at embarqmail.com  Thu Aug 13 10:44:58 2015
From: bill_patten at embarqmail.com (Bill Patten)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2015 08:44:58 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 10 installation problem
In-Reply-To: <8db4ba089bc64c67a2d679fad1df0167@CHVEX12.lonzagroup.net>
References: <AM2PR06MB5935B61D078AFF297EB1C6CCA7F0@AM2PR06MB593.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com><3a6d3d0754d5c14076efa94147d37219@imap.plus.net><C41A0D9EAF4E4D66B5B03632946AE760@BPCS>
	<8db4ba089bc64c67a2d679fad1df0167@CHVEX12.lonzagroup.net>
Message-ID: <1E22B0D4D25543D190047B9C69E6C0EC@BPCS>

Jon,
Sorry I can't be much help, I just checked her partitions and the first one 
is named System Reserved Partition, and it's now 390MB Second is C: and 3rd 
is a recovery. It's not a laptop and started out as Vista then windows 7 and 
7.1 and now running windows 10.  I did update a windows 7.1 laptop for a 
friend using the ISO and it didn't mention the reserved partition.

Bill

-----Original Message----- 
From: Jon Tydda
Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2015 12:46 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows 10 installation problem

Hi Bill

Yeah, I downloaded a free partition manager too, but I can't work out which 
partition I need to increase. If you look at the question I posted on the 
Microsoft site, there's a picture of my Disk Partitions...

http://url.ie/z3b1


Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
Bill Patten
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2015 10:47 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows 10 installation problem

Jon,

I ran into this problem on my wife's computer. A suggestion on the web was 
to download MiniTool Partition manager (the free version ) and I removed 
300M from the main partition then increased the 50M existing to 350 or so.
Then the update went just fine.

http://www.partitionwizard.com/free-partition-manager.html

I might not have the sizes exactly right but I think I started with 50 and 
ended with 300+.
Bill

-----Original Message-----
From: Jon Tydda
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2015 12:44 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 10 installation problem

Hi all

I'm having issues with my laptop when I try to upgrade to Windows 10.

I get the dreaded "We can't update the System Reserved partition"
message, and no helpful advice...

After much Googling, I've been reduced to posting a question on the 
Microsoft help page (I know, the shame!).

I was just wondering if anyone had any ideas what to do...

There's a picture of my Disk Management details on the question
(http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_10-windows_install/we-couldnt-update-the-system-reserved-partition/f06c1423-a296-4b85-83f8-8e4281f16c66?tm=1439407158743)

The computer is a HP Pavilion laptop, with a 256gb Corsair M550 SSD in it 
(replaced the 1tb HDD that it came with). Was originally Windows 8, but 
upgraded to 8.1.

If anyone has any useful advice, I'd be more than grateful!

Thanks


Jon
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Aug 14 06:09:52 2015
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2015 11:09:52 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Using callback with IIS Express
Message-ID: <AM2PR06MB59304E8230153C37735DFE5CA7C0@AM2PR06MB593.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Hi all

I have found a library that allows for easy creation of an Oauth2 connection and login:

    http://www.codeproject.com/Articles/1006013/OAuth-Social-Logins-Facebook-Google-Twitter-PayPal

As you can read from the notes, I have published the project to a remote hosted server and can reach the success page for Facebook and Twitter.
But whatever I try, I cannot create a successful callback for neither of these to IIS Express on my localhost port 28950.

I guess it's only "a little thing" I miss to set up on my workstation but what? Any ideas?

I should add, that I can run the project locally with the callback pointing to the remote server and it still works. The browser loads the remote success page.

/gustav

From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Fri Aug 14 06:31:19 2015
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2015 11:31:19 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Using callback with IIS Express
In-Reply-To: <AM2PR06MB59304E8230153C37735DFE5CA7C0@AM2PR06MB593.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
References: <AM2PR06MB59304E8230153C37735DFE5CA7C0@AM2PR06MB593.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <976E500DD0AF35409874A413967BFAEC390F2A24@EX2K10-MBX6.ads.qub.ac.uk>

Gustav

Did you see this paragraph?

You need to go Developer Apps page. Two big gotchas:

1.This is probably only well known OAuth provider that doesn't support localhost in Callback URL. You need to use 127.0.0.1 instead. This also means that if you use IIS Express for debugging, you'll need to configure it to listen on all addresses. To do that, open your IIS Express config file (%MyDocuments%/IIS Express/config/applicationhost.config), find entry related to example website I provided you with (search for port 28950) and then add extra line below existing localhost entry:

Hide   Copy Code
 <binding protocol="http" bindingInformation="*:28950:localhost" />
 <binding protocol="http" bindingInformation="*:28950:*" />




-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: 14 August 2015 12:10
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues; Development in Visual Studio
Subject: [dba-Tech] Using callback with IIS Express

Hi all

I have found a library that allows for easy creation of an Oauth2 connection and login:

    http://www.codeproject.com/Articles/1006013/OAuth-Social-Logins-Facebook-Google-Twitter-PayPal

As you can read from the notes, I have published the project to a remote hosted server and can reach the success page for Facebook and Twitter.
But whatever I try, I cannot create a successful callback for neither of these to IIS Express on my localhost port 28950.

I guess it's only "a little thing" I miss to set up on my workstation but what? Any ideas?

I should add, that I can run the project locally with the callback pointing to the remote server and it still works. The browser loads the remote success page.

/gustav
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Aug 14 06:42:45 2015
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2015 11:42:45 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Using callback with IIS Express
Message-ID: <AM2PR06MB5934CAA4B48BDAC0FF2013CCA7C0@AM2PR06MB593.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Martin

Yes I did, and I did make that correction. Even though, this should not influence the connection to Facebook which also fails with the local callback.

The issue may not at all be related to the actual project but rather to my setup - question is what to look for.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Martin Reid
Sendt: 14. august 2015 13:31
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>; Development in Visual Studio <dba-vs at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] Using callback with IIS Express

Gustav

Did you see this paragraph?

You need to go Developer Apps page. Two big gotchas:

1.This is probably only well known OAuth provider that doesn't support localhost in Callback URL. You need to use 127.0.0.1 instead. This also means that if you use IIS Express for debugging, you'll need to configure it to listen on all addresses. To do that, open your IIS Express config file (%MyDocuments%/IIS Express/config/applicationhost.config), find entry related to example website I provided you with (search for port 28950) and then add extra line below existing localhost entry:

Hide   Copy Code
 <binding protocol="http" bindingInformation="*:28950:localhost" />  <binding protocol="http" bindingInformation="*:28950:*" />




-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: 14 August 2015 12:10
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues; Development in Visual Studio
Subject: [dba-Tech] Using callback with IIS Express

Hi all

I have found a library that allows for easy creation of an Oauth2 connection and login:

    http://www.codeproject.com/Articles/1006013/OAuth-Social-Logins-Facebook-Google-Twitter-PayPal

As you can read from the notes, I have published the project to a remote hosted server and can reach the success page for Facebook and Twitter.
But whatever I try, I cannot create a successful callback for neither of these to IIS Express on my localhost port 28950.

I guess it's only "a little thing" I miss to set up on my workstation but what? Any ideas?

I should add, that I can run the project locally with the callback pointing to the remote server and it still works. The browser loads the remote success page.

/gustav 


From gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Aug 14 10:17:17 2015
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2015 15:17:17 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Using callback with IIS Express
Message-ID: <AM2PR06MB593D5D0A161C4C9442F734DCA7C0@AM2PR06MB593.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Hi all

This seems to be a security setting of Windows 8.1. I have binged/googled all over and found numerous work-around suggestions (edit hosts file, change browser settings, create bit.ly shortcuts, etc.) but none seems to work.

The easiest method appears to use a test web server I make public and address through our public domain name. This way I can also work with it from any machine without a lot of tweaking.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Gustav Brock
Sendt: 14. august 2015 13:10
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>; Development in Visual Studio <dba-vs at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: [dba-Tech] Using callback with IIS Express

Hi all

I have found a library that allows for easy creation of an Oauth2 connection and login:

    http://www.codeproject.com/Articles/1006013/OAuth-Social-Logins-Facebook-Google-Twitter-PayPal

As you can read from the notes, I have published the project to a remote hosted server and can reach the success page for Facebook and Twitter.
But whatever I try, I cannot create a successful callback for neither of these to IIS Express on my localhost port 28950.

I guess it's only "a little thing" I miss to set up on my workstation but what? Any ideas?

I should add, that I can run the project locally with the callback pointing to the remote server and it still works. The browser loads the remote success page.

/gustav 


From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Mon Aug 17 10:05:32 2015
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2015 11:05:32 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Comparing JavaScript frameworks
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1ghbnjmXqrwa17ZLeCd=n=vuPGmSA=hbhQ2OKfbj4Ur1Q@mail.gmail.com>

I just finished reading a brief comparison
<https://jaxenter.com/choosing-the-right-javascript-framework-119415.html>
of three JS framwworks: Angular, BackBone and Ember. My JS experience is
decidedly limited and I haven't used any of the numerous framwwrks. So I
thought to poll you guys for experience, preferences, etc.

Suggestions gratefully received.

-- 
Arthur

From gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Aug 17 10:26:01 2015
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2015 15:26:01 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Comparing JavaScript frameworks
Message-ID: <AM2PR06MB5931A79DD394C2F4A665749CA790@AM2PR06MB593.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Arthur

If for nothing else (I don't think that article tells much, it's rather a note) you could go with AngularJS because it works well with Typescript which you further can use with Visual Studio to obtain IntelliSense.

    https://github.com/borisyankov/DefinitelyTyped/tree/master/angularjs

There also exist video tutorials on the subject: 

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-6vT7xgE4Y&hd=1

/gustav


-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
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Sendt: 17. august 2015 17:06
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: [dba-Tech] Comparing JavaScript frameworks

I just finished reading a brief comparison <https://jaxenter.com/choosing-the-right-javascript-framework-119415.html>
of three JS framwworks: Angular, BackBone and Ember. My JS experience is decidedly limited and I haven't used any of the numerous framwwrks. So I thought to poll you guys for experience, preferences, etc.

Suggestions gratefully received.

--
Arthur 


From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Aug 17 17:47:48 2015
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2015 16:47:48 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Comparing JavaScript frameworks
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1ghbnjmXqrwa17ZLeCd=n=vuPGmSA=hbhQ2OKfbj4Ur1Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <80174641.27218387.1439851668041.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

I am hardly the person to recommend a particular flavour of JS framework but to my understanding Angular has more features but the professionals use Backbone as it is more flexible and has a better framework. Ember, I haven't heard much of. Either this means that it is relatively new or it does not live up to the quality of the above mentioned frameworks.

I have been playing with the Yeoman master framework. It is like one stop shopping with the capability to managing any number of frameworks or libraries. It will definitely take a while to master. Installation alone took me a couple of weeks (this is not to discourage you as I was just dabbling and not being serious) and there is still tweaks to do. After every needed framework and library is installed there is a host of great editors to choose from which can make all the difference.

Jim 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Arthur Fuller" <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, August 17, 2015 8:05:32 AM
Subject: [dba-Tech] Comparing JavaScript frameworks

I just finished reading a brief comparison
<https://jaxenter.com/choosing-the-right-javascript-framework-119415.html>
of three JS framwworks: Angular, BackBone and Ember. My JS experience is
decidedly limited and I haven't used any of the numerous framwwrks. So I
thought to poll you guys for experience, preferences, etc.

Suggestions gratefully received.

-- 
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From peter.brawley at earthlink.net  Tue Aug 18 01:56:34 2015
From: peter.brawley at earthlink.net (peter.brawley at earthlink.net)
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2015 02:56:34 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] bye bye biometric authentication, ssl &c
Message-ID: <245110177.32429.1439880994372.JavaMail.portal@wapmail-gadwalls.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

http://www.infoworld.com/article/2970447/security/10-security-technologies-destined-for-the-dustbin.html

Not sure about all the arguments, but on biometrics & SSL at least, this makes bracing sense.

PB

From gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Aug 18 03:12:55 2015
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2015 08:12:55 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] bye bye biometric authentication, ssl &c
Message-ID: <DB3PR06MB595684D49FB0C8EA75E2A10CA780@DB3PR06MB595.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Peter

That's a must-read. Thanks.

He has a point regarding your non-replaceable biometric. 

More interesting to me however, is his view on firewalls which he argues are of no value "if you don't have an unpatched, vulnerable listening service". Worth a thought.

But he also claims that "if you keep your PC free from malware for more than a year, you've done something special." In that case I must be very special (great feeling on a not-so-special Tuesday!) because in our small shop where I act as the admin, we haven't been hit since we were established in 1993. That's 22 years - from the days of virus on floppy-disks, and we have had Internet access from day one when it was offered by the telcos.

Today we run only the default free Windows Defender, Adblocker Plus, and - perhaps most important - use the CSIS Secure DNS service which blocks malware sites. This combo effectively prevents accidents from a user hitting a malware banner add.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
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Sendt: 18. august 2015 08:57
Til: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com
Emne: [dba-Tech] bye bye biometric authentication, ssl &c

http://www.infoworld.com/article/2970447/security/10-security-technologies-destined-for-the-dustbin.html

Not sure about all the arguments, but on biometrics & SSL at least, this makes bracing sense.

PB 


From jon.tydda at lonza.com  Wed Aug 19 03:38:58 2015
From: jon.tydda at lonza.com (Jon Tydda)
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2015 08:38:58 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 10 installation problem
In-Reply-To: <CALGJE94ukqJcqxzMXzt=Opsrvuq4NjES22Dng18xtVh1iSc87w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AM2PR06MB5935B61D078AFF297EB1C6CCA7F0@AM2PR06MB593.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
	<3a6d3d0754d5c14076efa94147d37219@imap.plus.net>
	<CALGJE94ukqJcqxzMXzt=Opsrvuq4NjES22Dng18xtVh1iSc87w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f24e364c71be4f5da525d9406852040b@CHVEX12.lonzagroup.net>

Update:

I finally had a chance to play with the laptop again last night. I tried this method, and was unable to assign a drive letter to any of the other partitions, so I couldn't do any of the permissions/file ownership stuff.

I think now my best bet is probably to do a clean install and phone Microsoft when it comes to the licence key, and explain what happened.


Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Paul Hartland
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2015 8:55 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows 10 installation problem

Jon,

Just done a bit of googling myself, did you come across this piece ?

https://www.reddit.com/r/Windows10/comments/3a6znd/we_couldnt_update_the_system_reserved_partition/

On 12 August 2015 at 20:44, Jon Tydda <jon at tydda.plus.com> wrote:

> Hi all
>
> I'm having issues with my laptop when I try to upgrade to Windows 10.
>
> I get the dreaded "We can't update the System Reserved partition"
> message, and no helpful advice...
>
> After much Googling, I've been reduced to posting a question on the
> Microsoft help page (I know, the shame!).
>
> I was just wondering if anyone had any ideas what to do...
>
> There's a picture of my Disk Management details on the question (
> http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_10-windows_in
> stall/we-couldnt-update-the-system-reserved-partition/f06c1423-a296-4b
> 85-83f8-8e4281f16c66?tm=1439407158743
> )
>
> The computer is a HP Pavilion laptop, with a 256gb Corsair M550 SSD in
> it (replaced the 1tb HDD that it came with). Was originally Windows 8,
> but upgraded to 8.1.
>
> If anyone has any useful advice, I'd be more than grateful!
>
> Thanks
>
>
> Jon
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Aug 19 03:47:04 2015
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2015 08:47:04 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] SpinRite or?
Message-ID: <DB3PR06MB59582A3D9C2F4C44FFC9453CA670@DB3PR06MB595.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Jim et al

Something strange has happened.

I've set it to copy about 25 GB per batch which should last for 5-6 days.

The last couple of days I've started the copy and it went along for about 23 hours. From the log I can see, then suddenly it jumps to normal speed and copies the rest of the files in few minutes.

Then I set it to copy a new batch. Same picture, extremely slow for 20+ hours, then jump to normal speed.
I'ver never seen anything like this.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Jim Lawrence
Sendt: 13. august 2015 06:50
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] SpinRite or?

Hi Gustav:

We are all getting anxious for the great day.

Jim 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2015 9:25:26 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] SpinRite or?

Hi Jon

It is still running. I had to make a break and move it to another machine, but it also sometimes crashes the Yodot program and I have to restart a session, so it is not running steady. Further, some weeks have been assigned for holidays.

I guess more than a month will pass ...

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Jon Tydda
Sendt: 11. august 2015 17:53
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] SpinRite or?

Hi Gustav

Did this ever finish, or is it still going? :-)


Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2015 2:17 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] SpinRite or?

Hi Jim

Now passed 10% at 117 GB ...

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Gustav Brock
Sendt: 13. maj 2015 20:35
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] SpinRite or?

Hi Jim

No I haven't - and at this time a can't plug it in. So I cross fingers, but power here is very stable.

However, the copy process of Yodot has an option for not trying to replace existing files, so worst case after a relaunch would be the extra time to read the directory structure and move through the existing file list. It couldn't take that long.

In the meantime: Passed 6% at 72 GB ...

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Jim Lawrence
Sendt: 13. maj 2015 20:22
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] SpinRite or?

Hi Gustav:

Do you have a UPS attached to the computer? It might be frustrating if the power went out sometime in September just before the program wrote the boot track.

If this works as planned Yodot will definitely be the go to application for drive recovery.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 12:20:23 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] SpinRite or?

Hi Jim

Yes:

<quote>
So I turned to Yodot (the drive repair version at USD 80) which, as the first, tries to pull the data off the drive before attempting a repair. This seems to run - at about 330 MB per hour.

Speak about patience: my little calculator tells me that the job will go on for 140 days ...
</quote>

It seems to run steady.

/gustav 


From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Aug 19 20:30:27 2015
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2015 19:30:27 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 10 installation problem
In-Reply-To: <f24e364c71be4f5da525d9406852040b@CHVEX12.lonzagroup.net>
Message-ID: <164470315.28792043.1440034227698.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

That would be my option.

A brand new product, as complex as an OS is going to be full of issues. Don't forget, it is free so the bar should not be set too high and perfection should not be an expectation. Right now Win10 is a play toy and it should not be product on which anyone should rest a business. Full upgrades, regardless of the product have a history of unresolvable issues. A clean, fresh install usually does wonders.

Jim 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jon Tydda" <jon.tydda at lonza.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2015 1:38:58 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows 10 installation problem

Update:

I finally had a chance to play with the laptop again last night. I tried this method, and was unable to assign a drive letter to any of the other partitions, so I couldn't do any of the permissions/file ownership stuff.

I think now my best bet is probably to do a clean install and phone Microsoft when it comes to the licence key, and explain what happened.


Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Paul Hartland
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2015 8:55 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows 10 installation problem

Jon,

Just done a bit of googling myself, did you come across this piece ?

https://www.reddit.com/r/Windows10/comments/3a6znd/we_couldnt_update_the_system_reserved_partition/

On 12 August 2015 at 20:44, Jon Tydda <jon at tydda.plus.com> wrote:

> Hi all
>
> I'm having issues with my laptop when I try to upgrade to Windows 10.
>
> I get the dreaded "We can't update the System Reserved partition"
> message, and no helpful advice...
>
> After much Googling, I've been reduced to posting a question on the
> Microsoft help page (I know, the shame!).
>
> I was just wondering if anyone had any ideas what to do...
>
> There's a picture of my Disk Management details on the question (
> http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_10-windows_in
> stall/we-couldnt-update-the-system-reserved-partition/f06c1423-a296-4b
> 85-83f8-8e4281f16c66?tm=1439407158743
> )
>
> The computer is a HP Pavilion laptop, with a 256gb Corsair M550 SSD in
> it (replaced the 1tb HDD that it came with). Was originally Windows 8,
> but upgraded to 8.1.
>
> If anyone has any useful advice, I'd be more than grateful!
>
> Thanks
>
>
> Jon
> _______________________________________________
> dba-Tech mailing list
> dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>



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From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Aug 19 20:36:12 2015
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2015 19:36:12 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] SpinRite or?
In-Reply-To: <DB3PR06MB59582A3D9C2F4C44FFC9453CA670@DB3PR06MB595.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <170529706.28794517.1440034572726.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

That is strange but maybe that part of the disk that was marked as already completed, bad/corrupt sectors or no data (never used). I guess you will not know, whether this is an error or just a normal process until you can view the recovered data.

Jim  

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2015 1:47:04 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] SpinRite or?

Hi Jim et al

Something strange has happened.

I've set it to copy about 25 GB per batch which should last for 5-6 days.

The last couple of days I've started the copy and it went along for about 23 hours. From the log I can see, then suddenly it jumps to normal speed and copies the rest of the files in few minutes.

Then I set it to copy a new batch. Same picture, extremely slow for 20+ hours, then jump to normal speed.
I'ver never seen anything like this.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Jim Lawrence
Sendt: 13. august 2015 06:50
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] SpinRite or?

Hi Gustav:

We are all getting anxious for the great day.

Jim 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2015 9:25:26 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] SpinRite or?

Hi Jon

It is still running. I had to make a break and move it to another machine, but it also sometimes crashes the Yodot program and I have to restart a session, so it is not running steady. Further, some weeks have been assigned for holidays.

I guess more than a month will pass ...

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Jon Tydda
Sendt: 11. august 2015 17:53
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] SpinRite or?

Hi Gustav

Did this ever finish, or is it still going? :-)


Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2015 2:17 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] SpinRite or?

Hi Jim

Now passed 10% at 117 GB ...

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Gustav Brock
Sendt: 13. maj 2015 20:35
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] SpinRite or?

Hi Jim

No I haven't - and at this time a can't plug it in. So I cross fingers, but power here is very stable.

However, the copy process of Yodot has an option for not trying to replace existing files, so worst case after a relaunch would be the extra time to read the directory structure and move through the existing file list. It couldn't take that long.

In the meantime: Passed 6% at 72 GB ...

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Jim Lawrence
Sendt: 13. maj 2015 20:22
Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] SpinRite or?

Hi Gustav:

Do you have a UPS attached to the computer? It might be frustrating if the power went out sometime in September just before the program wrote the boot track.

If this works as planned Yodot will definitely be the go to application for drive recovery.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 12:20:23 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] SpinRite or?

Hi Jim

Yes:

<quote>
So I turned to Yodot (the drive repair version at USD 80) which, as the first, tries to pull the data off the drive before attempting a repair. This seems to run - at about 330 MB per hour.

Speak about patience: my little calculator tells me that the job will go on for 140 days ...
</quote>

It seems to run steady.

/gustav 

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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Thu Aug 20 07:52:31 2015
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2015 08:52:31 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Steve Wozniak
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1hbAD7xrpmfpFQ=i0Ztb4eFPQiF4fjgeWyCDUdKQrNx_A@mail.gmail.com>

iProgrammer has a nice, brief bio of Steve Wozniak.
<http://www.i-programmer.info/history/people/105.html>

-- 
Arthur

From Lambert.Heenan at aig.com  Thu Aug 20 09:38:44 2015
From: Lambert.Heenan at aig.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2015 14:38:44 +0000
Subject: [dba-Tech] Windows 10 installation problem
In-Reply-To: <164470315.28792043.1440034227698.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
References: <f24e364c71be4f5da525d9406852040b@CHVEX12.lonzagroup.net>
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Does the laptop have the a sticker on it with the Windows 8 product key? If so I think you will be able to enter that to activate Windows 10. It should accept the key and then 'convert' it to a new Windows 10 key.

Lambert


-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2015 9:30 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows 10 installation problem

That would be my option.

A brand new product, as complex as an OS is going to be full of issues. Don't forget, it is free so the bar should not be set too high and perfection should not be an expectation. Right now Win10 is a play toy and it should not be product on which anyone should rest a business. Full upgrades, regardless of the product have a history of unresolvable issues. A clean, fresh install usually does wonders.

Jim 

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From: "Jon Tydda" <jon.tydda at lonza.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2015 1:38:58 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows 10 installation problem

Update:

I finally had a chance to play with the laptop again last night. I tried this method, and was unable to assign a drive letter to any of the other partitions, so I couldn't do any of the permissions/file ownership stuff.

I think now my best bet is probably to do a clean install and phone Microsoft when it comes to the licence key, and explain what happened.


Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Paul Hartland
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2015 8:55 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Windows 10 installation problem

Jon,

Just done a bit of googling myself, did you come across this piece ?

https://www.reddit.com/r/Windows10/comments/3a6znd/we_couldnt_update_the_system_reserved_partition/

On 12 August 2015 at 20:44, Jon Tydda <jon at tydda.plus.com> wrote:

> Hi all
>
> I'm having issues with my laptop when I try to upgrade to Windows 10.
>
> I get the dreaded "We can't update the System Reserved partition"
> message, and no helpful advice...
>
> After much Googling, I've been reduced to posting a question on the 
> Microsoft help page (I know, the shame!).
>
> I was just wondering if anyone had any ideas what to do...
>
> There's a picture of my Disk Management details on the question ( 
> http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_10-windows_in
> stall/we-couldnt-update-the-system-reserved-partition/f06c1423-a296-4b
> 85-83f8-8e4281f16c66?tm=1439407158743
> )
>
> The computer is a HP Pavilion laptop, with a 256gb Corsair M550 SSD in 
> it (replaced the 1tb HDD that it came with). Was originally Windows 8, 
> but upgraded to 8.1.
>
> If anyone has any useful advice, I'd be more than grateful!
>
> Thanks
>
>
> Jon
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Thu Aug 20 10:46:26 2015
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2015 11:46:26 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Which disk format to choose for Linux?
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1g9xC07x3Fv2F=ouvsqVfwvb671mkdq89A3hY47YBA0Fw@mail.gmail.com>

I'm re-purposing an old HP Intellistation and dedicating it to Ubuntu
Linux. To prepare for the transformation, I'm running MiniTool Partition
Wizard. The choices it offers are NTFS (irrelevant), Ext2, Ext3, and Ext4.
Does it matter to Ubuntu which I select? Or will it just see the drive as a
Linux drive in whatever format, and then subdivide it as it thinks best?

-- 
Arthur

From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Thu Aug 20 11:33:08 2015
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2015 12:33:08 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Which disk format to choose for Linux?
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1g9xC07x3Fv2F=ouvsqVfwvb671mkdq89A3hY47YBA0Fw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1g9xC07x3Fv2F=ouvsqVfwvb671mkdq89A3hY47YBA0Fw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <55D60144.6040709@torchlake.com>

I don't know, but I'll be watching for the answer because I will be 
doing something very similar in the not-too-distant future.
TNF

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
231-322-2787

On 08/20/15 11:46 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote:
> I'm re-purposing an old HP Intellistation and dedicating it to Ubuntu
> Linux. To prepare for the transformation, I'm running MiniTool Partition
> Wizard. The choices it offers are NTFS (irrelevant), Ext2, Ext3, and Ext4.
> Does it matter to Ubuntu which I select? Or will it just see the drive as a
> Linux drive in whatever format, and then subdivide it as it thinks best?
>


From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Aug 20 12:09:17 2015
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2015 11:09:17 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Which disk format to choose for Linux?
In-Reply-To: <55D60144.6040709@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <1611439463.29173017.1440090557842.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

Hi Tina:

By default Linux uses EXT+ format (ext2, ext3, or ext4) but they are virtually interchangeable. That said Linux can read and write to most standard disk formats, NTFS, FAT32 and HFS+. There are also a number of speciality formats used in Linux. A couple of the most well known are; BTRFS (butter FS) builds a format like B-tree database, for very easy and fast data management and then there is the ultimate drive format, ZFS which allows any number of drives and computers to connect into a single drive and has virtually no size limit (256 zetabytes)...this format is used extensively in large Cloud, archive and backup sites...also the format is noted for its almost perfect record against any data loss.

HTH

Jim

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To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2015 9:33:08 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Which disk format to choose for Linux?

I don't know, but I'll be watching for the answer because I will be 
doing something very similar in the not-too-distant future.
TNF

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
231-322-2787

On 08/20/15 11:46 AM, Arthur Fuller wrote:
> I'm re-purposing an old HP Intellistation and dedicating it to Ubuntu
> Linux. To prepare for the transformation, I'm running MiniTool Partition
> Wizard. The choices it offers are NTFS (irrelevant), Ext2, Ext3, and Ext4.
> Does it matter to Ubuntu which I select? Or will it just see the drive as a
> Linux drive in whatever format, and then subdivide it as it thinks best?
>

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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Sat Aug 22 06:29:05 2015
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2015 07:29:05 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Containers and Windows
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1ixO2kRT4EQZp6BeLWEhVRq0xGfXV5WuBfWdKZndLdU4Q@mail.gmail.com>

In case you haven't noticed, Containers are all the rage in virtualization
now, and for good reason. Traditional Virtual Machines emulate an entire
machine, including its OS, which is a lot of overhead. Containers
virtualize apps and services, leaving out the OS files, so the result is a
much smaller footprint. Microsoft id mobing to Containers in its next
releases of SQL Server and Windows Server. Azure CTO Mark Russinovich has a
blog
<http://azure.microsoft.com/blog/2015/08/17/containers-docker-windows-and-trends/>
about it, for those interested. As for me, since I began using various VM
technologies like Oracle VirtualBox, I've always wondered why VM technology
didn't work this way. But now I realize they are solutions to different
problems. My main box rus WIndows 10, and has VMs for Windows 7 and 8.1.
Containers on the other hand would all use the same base OS, isolating the
apps instead. Not only that, but they can be clustered across machines.
Exciting times!

-- 
Arthur

From accessd at shaw.ca  Sat Aug 22 11:22:18 2015
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2015 10:22:18 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Containers and Windows
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1ixO2kRT4EQZp6BeLWEhVRq0xGfXV5WuBfWdKZndLdU4Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <320713355.30771979.1440260538451.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

Hi Arthur:

Containers are definitely the way of the future but of course there are some cautionary notes. (I posted all that information sometime before and if you are interested I will re-post it.)

Actually KVM  (Kernel-based Virtual Machine) capabilities have been around since UNIX days and have been a feature in Linux since somewhere are 1995...twenty years ago. What do you think all the virtual products like VirtualBox, VMWare and Hyper-V are built on and why none of them are patented? It just took the downstream market a very long time to grasp the concepts but now its here. If you are thinking of making your own Container instances maybe you can look at Docker.

As for Windows 10...you know my feeling on that product... Word of warning, handle with care as according to Microsoft's licencing agreement with you, everything on your computer is now public property. You are even allowed to encrypt anything you want but they keep a copy of the keys. I use Windows10 but it is carefully sandboxed in it own virtual and it will remain there until it can be properly de-clawed and tamed.

Jim 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Arthur Fuller" <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2015 4:29:05 AM
Subject: [dba-Tech] Containers and Windows

In case you haven't noticed, Containers are all the rage in virtualization
now, and for good reason. Traditional Virtual Machines emulate an entire
machine, including its OS, which is a lot of overhead. Containers
virtualize apps and services, leaving out the OS files, so the result is a
much smaller footprint. Microsoft id mobing to Containers in its next
releases of SQL Server and Windows Server. Azure CTO Mark Russinovich has a
blog
<http://azure.microsoft.com/blog/2015/08/17/containers-docker-windows-and-trends/>
about it, for those interested. As for me, since I began using various VM
technologies like Oracle VirtualBox, I've always wondered why VM technology
didn't work this way. But now I realize they are solutions to different
problems. My main box rus WIndows 10, and has VMs for Windows 7 and 8.1.
Containers on the other hand would all use the same base OS, isolating the
apps instead. Not only that, but they can be clustered across machines.
Exciting times!

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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Sun Aug 23 07:56:46 2015
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2015 08:56:46 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] System Restore and Factory Reset in Windows 10
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1h3ED2aQZ1yLAOWm=dLEoYQwo2ufazx93GEUp1H+-ri3w@mail.gmail.com>

These have changed significantly in Windows 10. Here
<http://maketecheasier.tradepub.com/?p=w_make209&w=d&email=fuller.artful at gmail.com&key=19N1I0yQtSnqywviK7TF&ts=57581&u=0992311551171439047531&e=ZnVsbGVyLmFydGZ1bEBnbWFpbC5jb20=>
is a link to an article describing the changes, and how to create a restore
point. For anyone who has just installed Windows 10 (or is about to), I
would suggest creating a restore point immediately after installing the OS
plus any programs and utilities you deem essential.

-- 
Arthur

From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Sun Aug 23 12:32:43 2015
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2015 13:32:43 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] COBOL comes to Visual Studio 2015
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1jJe5us5J=_ZA1VkXeW7-7fxAt9p7qm2RuoaFzcnrtVAg@mail.gmail.com>

Yup, it's true. Click here
<http://sdtimes.com/cobol-comes-to-visual-studio-2015/> for the full story.

-- 
Arthur

From accessd at shaw.ca  Sun Aug 23 13:00:05 2015
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2015 12:00:05 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Containers and Windows
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1ixO2kRT4EQZp6BeLWEhVRq0xGfXV5WuBfWdKZndLdU4Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1623020338.31358703.1440352805788.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

Hi Arthur:

Here is a link to a full Docker/Container management system where you can get a free developers copy. There is talk that Containers has the potential to make the OS irrelevant.

http://stackengine.com/

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Arthur Fuller" <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2015 4:29:05 AM
Subject: [dba-Tech] Containers and Windows

In case you haven't noticed, Containers are all the rage in virtualization
now, and for good reason. Traditional Virtual Machines emulate an entire
machine, including its OS, which is a lot of overhead. Containers
virtualize apps and services, leaving out the OS files, so the result is a
much smaller footprint. Microsoft id mobing to Containers in its next
releases of SQL Server and Windows Server. Azure CTO Mark Russinovich has a
blog
<http://azure.microsoft.com/blog/2015/08/17/containers-docker-windows-and-trends/>
about it, for those interested. As for me, since I began using various VM
technologies like Oracle VirtualBox, I've always wondered why VM technology
didn't work this way. But now I realize they are solutions to different
problems. My main box rus WIndows 10, and has VMs for Windows 7 and 8.1.
Containers on the other hand would all use the same base OS, isolating the
apps instead. Not only that, but they can be clustered across machines.
Exciting times!

-- 
Arthur
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sun Aug 23 13:10:56 2015
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2015 12:10:56 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Abandoning Linux
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1jJe5us5J=_ZA1VkXeW7-7fxAt9p7qm2RuoaFzcnrtVAg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2087112950.31364090.1440353456973.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

Munich Germany may very well be abandoning their adoption of Linux.

http://www.techrepublic.com/article/calls-for-city-that-ditched-microsoft-for-linux-to-return-to-windows

But the question must be asked, why. Unfortunately, when the custom version of Linux was rolled out, it is the grossest version I have ever seen. It reminds me of Window95/98. What type of techs do they have any ways?? 

http://i.imgur.com/LHdbObkl.jpg

In similar circumstances I would be firing the development and installation techs and not Linux.

Jim

 

From accessd at shaw.ca  Sun Aug 23 13:20:59 2015
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2015 12:20:59 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] COBOL comes to Visual Studio 2015
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1jJe5us5J=_ZA1VkXeW7-7fxAt9p7qm2RuoaFzcnrtVAg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1537307116.31371170.1440354059595.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

Hi Arthur:

Cool, that is so retro as it takes me back 35 years. But it should be noted that every major accounting system is built on Cobol...and Microsoft is wondering why so many businesses will not upgrade from XP. If MS made an upgrade path from XP......but that is unlikely to happen...

Jim  

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To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2015 10:32:43 AM
Subject: [dba-Tech] COBOL comes to Visual Studio 2015

Yup, it's true. Click here
<http://sdtimes.com/cobol-comes-to-visual-studio-2015/> for the full story.

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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Sun Aug 23 15:18:20 2015
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2015 13:18:20 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] COBOL comes to Visual Studio 2015
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1jJe5us5J=_ZA1VkXeW7-7fxAt9p7qm2RuoaFzcnrtVAg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPJO1jJe5us5J=_ZA1VkXeW7-7fxAt9p7qm2RuoaFzcnrtVAg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7462D1320788484D98643101D5DC1C27@HAL9007>

Your Daddy used COBOL in his first paid programming job for Montgomery Ward
in Chicago between his sophomore and junior years in college. 

:)

p

-----Original Message-----
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Arthur Fuller
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2015 10:33 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] COBOL comes to Visual Studio 2015

Yup, it's true. Click here
<http://sdtimes.com/cobol-comes-to-visual-studio-2015/> for the full story.

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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Sun Aug 23 15:25:23 2015
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2015 13:25:23 -0700
Subject: [dba-Tech] COBOL comes to Visual Studio 2015
In-Reply-To: <7462D1320788484D98643101D5DC1C27@HAL9007>
References: <CAEPJO1jJe5us5J=_ZA1VkXeW7-7fxAt9p7qm2RuoaFzcnrtVAg@mail.gmail.com>
	<7462D1320788484D98643101D5DC1C27@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <A413AB5A8017490B87C921B81CC12B9F@HAL9007>

Oops - meant to send to my son.

R
 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Rocky Smolin
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2015 1:18 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] COBOL comes to Visual Studio 2015

Your Daddy used COBOL in his first paid programming job for Montgomery Ward
in Chicago between his sophomore and junior years in college. 

:)

p

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Arthur Fuller
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2015 10:33 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] COBOL comes to Visual Studio 2015

Yup, it's true. Click here
<http://sdtimes.com/cobol-comes-to-visual-studio-2015/> for the full story.

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From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Sun Aug 23 16:30:33 2015
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2015 17:30:33 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] COBOL comes to Visual Studio 2015
In-Reply-To: <A413AB5A8017490B87C921B81CC12B9F@HAL9007>
References: <CAEPJO1jJe5us5J=_ZA1VkXeW7-7fxAt9p7qm2RuoaFzcnrtVAg@mail.gmail.com>
	<7462D1320788484D98643101D5DC1C27@HAL9007>
	<A413AB5A8017490B87C921B81CC12B9F@HAL9007>
Message-ID: <55DA3B79.7040408@torchlake.com>

Yeah, but we all understood.  Especially those of us who used to program 
in COBOL!!!!!  :-)
TNF

Tina Norris Fields
tinanfields-at-torchlake-dot-com
231-322-2787

On 08/23/15 4:25 PM, Rocky Smolin wrote:
> Oops - meant to send to my son.
>
> R
>   
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Rocky Smolin
> Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2015 1:18 PM
> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] COBOL comes to Visual Studio 2015
>
> Your Daddy used COBOL in his first paid programming job for Montgomery Ward
> in Chicago between his sophomore and junior years in college.
>
> :)
>
> p
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Arthur Fuller
> Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2015 10:33 AM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: [dba-Tech] COBOL comes to Visual Studio 2015
>
> Yup, it's true. Click here
> <http://sdtimes.com/cobol-comes-to-visual-studio-2015/> for the full story.
>
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sun Aug 23 19:22:13 2015
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2015 18:22:13 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] System Restore and Factory Reset in Windows 10
In-Reply-To: <CAEPJO1h3ED2aQZ1yLAOWm=dLEoYQwo2ufazx93GEUp1H+-ri3w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <842300756.31558655.1440375733923.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>

Hi Arthur:

Links come and go: "The link to 'How System Restore & Factory Reset Work in Windows 10' has expired."

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Arthur Fuller" <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2015 5:56:46 AM
Subject: [dba-Tech] System Restore and Factory Reset in Windows 10

These have changed significantly in Windows 10. Here
<http://maketecheasier.tradepub.com/?p=w_make209&w=d&email=fuller.artful at gmail.com&key=19N1I0yQtSnqywviK7TF&ts=57581&u=0992311551171439047531&e=ZnVsbGVyLmFydGZ1bEBnbWFpbC5jb20=>
is a link to an article describing the changes, and how to create a restore
point. For anyone who has just installed Windows 10 (or is about to), I
would suggest creating a restore point immediately after installing the OS
plus any programs and utilities you deem essential.

-- 
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sun Aug 23 21:29:07 2015
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2015 20:29:07 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] COBOL comes to Visual Studio 2015
In-Reply-To: <A413AB5A8017490B87C921B81CC12B9F@HAL9007>
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But nothing was lost in translation and I think we all guessed. :-)

Jim

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From: "Rocky Smolin" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2015 1:25:23 PM
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] COBOL comes to Visual Studio 2015

Oops - meant to send to my son.

R
 

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Rocky Smolin
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2015 1:18 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] COBOL comes to Visual Studio 2015

Your Daddy used COBOL in his first paid programming job for Montgomery Ward
in Chicago between his sophomore and junior years in college. 

:)

p

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Arthur Fuller
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2015 10:33 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: [dba-Tech] COBOL comes to Visual Studio 2015

Yup, it's true. Click here
<http://sdtimes.com/cobol-comes-to-visual-studio-2015/> for the full story.

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From hkotsch at arcor.de  Mon Aug 24 04:15:40 2015
From: hkotsch at arcor.de (Helmut Kotsch)
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2015 11:15:40 +0200
Subject: [dba-Tech] System Restore and Factory Reset in Windows 10
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References: <CAEPJO1h3ED2aQZ1yLAOWm=dLEoYQwo2ufazx93GEUp1H+-ri3w@mail.gmail.com>
	<842300756.31558655.1440375733923.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
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Just send the document of this link offline.

Helmut

-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Im Auftrag von
Jim Lawrence
Gesendet: Montag, 24. August 2015 02:22
An: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Betreff: Re: [dba-Tech] System Restore and Factory Reset in Windows 10

Hi Arthur:

Links come and go: "The link to 'How System Restore & Factory Reset Work in
Windows 10' has expired."

Jim

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From: "Arthur Fuller" <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
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Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2015 5:56:46 AM
Subject: [dba-Tech] System Restore and Factory Reset in Windows 10

These have changed significantly in Windows 10. Here
<http://maketecheasier.tradepub.com/?p=w_make209&w=d&email=fuller.artful at gma
il.com&key=19N1I0yQtSnqywviK7TF&ts=57581&u=0992311551171439047531&e=ZnVsbGVy
LmFydGZ1bEBnbWFpbC5jb20=>
is a link to an article describing the changes, and how to create a restore
point. For anyone who has just installed Windows 10 (or is about to), I
would suggest creating a restore point immediately after installing the OS
plus any programs and utilities you deem essential.

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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Wed Aug 26 14:32:52 2015
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2015 15:32:52 -0400
Subject: [dba-Tech] Happy Birthday, Linux!
Message-ID: <CAEPJO1iOW0FxEWCWOqTY24pV4a40cFvzg3z3NgO-j48j1dxLHw@mail.gmail.com>

Linux turned 24 yesterday, and as we all know, it is virtually everywhere
now.

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Arthur

From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Aug 27 13:17:38 2015
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2015 12:17:38 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Our future
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The following video is not about our current geopolitical environment but about what technology will be used to analyse it. 

In our future systems, as described in the vid, will review our pass and be used to predict our future. It may seem incredible but the price tag for such power is not so large that only a few can have access. All the software is OSS and the demo shown was hacked together, in a huge mashup, in hours. This demo is done on the IBM LinuxOne system but this again this can be designed from much cheaper equipment as the Operating System is Open Source. 

I wonder how long it will be before folks in all our technical fields will have and be able to build their own businesses from needs and trends discovered (mined) in streams of our real-time data.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWBNoIwGEjo

I think we are on the event horizon of some very exciting times.

Interesting aside: Over fifty to sixty years ago, author and scientist Isaac Asimov, predicted such capabilities and use, in his Foundation series of books. Then it was little more than science fiction and now it will be our reality. Well worth the read if you haven't done so:

http://scifi.stackexchange.com/questions/2335/what-order-should-asimovs-foundation-series-be-read-in
  
Jim    

From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Aug 27 20:07:19 2015
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2015 19:07:19 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Happy Birthday, Linux!
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It is definitely...but mostly after we step off the desktop.

Jim

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Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2015 12:32:52 PM
Subject: [dba-Tech] Happy Birthday, Linux!

Linux turned 24 yesterday, and as we all know, it is virtually everywhere
now.

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Aug 28 13:05:23 2015
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2015 12:05:23 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] Steve Wozniak
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I wonder if Steve W can leverage that BIO into a good job, given his advanced years?

Jim 

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Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2015 5:52:31 AM
Subject: [dba-Tech] Steve Wozniak

iProgrammer has a nice, brief bio of Steve Wozniak.
<http://www.i-programmer.info/history/people/105.html>

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Aug 31 13:53:08 2015
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2015 12:53:08 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-Tech] A fully GUI Active Directory for your Linux
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UNIX and subsequently Linux has fully supported (It is built in) the LDAP (Lightweight Directory Access Protocol) protocol which is what Microsoft based Active Directory on. There have been a number of GUIs on LDAP but for the most part command lime management has been the most effective method of interfacing with the product. The LDAP protocol for the most part is designed to manage clusters of servers, has not easily supported desktop type machines and has paid little attention to different OS (Operating Systems).

That has all changed with a standardized Linux Active Directory called FreeIPA. It is a fully GUI product, relatively easy to install, supports virtually all OS and Enterprises of any size from thousands of systems, to a small network. FreeIPA is optimized for Redhat, Fedora and CentOS Linux servers but that is standard most shops to large companies. The application can be run off any server via a Virtual Drive, off a Cloud, through the internet or even on a Container. The program/servers can fully integrate with Active Directory servers..."...support any client capable of attaching to Kerberized LDAP, including Microsoft Windows. (Kerberos Authentication is built into all Windows servers)" The application only consumes a very small amount of memory/HD space; example: 250,000 clients takes 2 GBs...millions can take up to 8 GBs. Finally, the application is also fully supported by Redhat.     

http://www.freeipa.org/page/Main_Page

http://tinyurl.com/nf9pfk6

User comments: http://arstechnica.com/civis/viewtopic.php?t=1163042

Jim